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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: KevShmev on July 29, 2019, 05:56:55 PM
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Okay, I gave everyone else time to start this new one, but time's up, and here it is! :biggrin:
Old thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=52793.0
And might as well start off this thread with a good shot of the way last season ended...
(https://i.imgur.com/fxF3fUq.jpg)
:coolio :hat
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Yeah, that was so awesome. :lol
Vasilevskiy signs HUGE deal.
Leafs sign about 10 guys not named Marner.
I like what New Jersey is doing.
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I read somewhere recently that the Leafs now have the longest drought in regards to winning the Stanley Cup...that seems crazy.
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With the Blues’ victory, it is true. ‘67 was their last Cup.
When is Sweeney signing Charlie??
All the young RFA’s are playing a slow roll. I bet all of them re-sign with their own teams before the season starts.
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When is Sweeney signing Charlie??
He has to sign both Charlie AND Carlo. It's been pretty quiet.
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With the Blues’ victory, it is true. ‘67 was their last Cup.
Considering in order to have a drought, teams have to have won one before (typically), the Leafs have been on top of the the longest Cup drought list ever since Chicago nabbed their first in the latest bunch. They had been off since 1961.
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Buffalo and Vancouver have yet to win one as well. They are looking at 50 years now.
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Can't say I know enough about hockey to have an opinion on Nikita Gusev, but Devils twitter/reddit seemed pretty thrilled with the news yesterday. Really looking forward to see how this revamped roster looks on the ice.
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Judging from social media posts.....I think the only training most Blues players have done this off season is mastering how to switch from hard liquor, to beer to foo foo drinks in a twelve hour span.
Fully expecting the ‘Stanley Cup Hangover’ to hit hard out of the gate.
But I don’t give a :censored. :lol
The Blues won a Cup.
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Most gonna show up to training camp like a 2005 Keith Tkachuk?
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Most gonna show up to training camp like a 2005 Keith Tkachuk?
:lol I follow a good chunk of them on Twitter and Instagram and it’s safe to say they’ve been enjoying themselves. Mostly the young guys. Who, I guess can ‘recover’ quicker and can count on their bodies not betraying them still.
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No one will ever top the way Ovechkin celebrated last year, but the Blues sure are living this up. Maybe it will lead to a hangover that bleeds into the start of the season, but like Gary said...
But I don’t give a :censored. :lol
The Blues won a Cup.
:metal :metal
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Minnesota Wild fire their GM after one year.
Didn't fit the culture they built, apparently the Spurgeon contract discussions weren't going well, questionable trades, hockey personnel were complaining about him, and apparently exit interviews with players were not positive.
At the end of the day, this changes nothing. The Wild will never win a cup with this roster, the Central is only getting better while they get older.
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^^Someone just did an alternate timeline piece on Winging it in Motown that talks about what may have happened to the Wings if they had signed Ryan Suter to the mega deal that the Wild signed him to.
https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2019/8/13/20802157/what-if-ryan-suter-signed-with-detroit
Seems that contract was a killer no matter who would have signed it.
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Pat Maroon signing with the Lightning is a great move by Tampa. They need playoff grit for sure.
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Maroon had a beast of a series against Dallas. His line of Thomas and Bozak wore Dallas out and led they had some key goals. And obviously his game 7 double OT goal will live in St. Louis lore forever like the David Freese home run.
BUT....he was pretty bad for most of the year. Benched many games and he was shopped around. Great dude and great clubhouse guy but it was clear the Blues had moved on from him. Just not a spot for him especially with the young guns we have coming up.
He’s got a good shot of winning two cups in a row.....he leaves his hometown on top and will be able to return as the ‘hero’ at anytime. Great move on his part.
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Agreed. Maroon will forever be a legend in this city thanks to that Game 7 double OT winner, but like you said, Gary, it's time to let the young guys do their thing.
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He's just the type of guy that the Lightning needs in crunch time.
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He's just the type of guy that the Lightning needs in crunch time.
By all accounts he’s an incredible teammate and clubhouse presence.
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While I'd rather lose in the first round than the fucking finals, what happened to the Lightning last year was embarrassing.
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Hmmm, I quite enjoyed seeing the Bruins lose in the finals. :coolio :hat
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Go troll in another thread, thanks.
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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BUT....he was pretty bad for most of the year. Benched many games and he was shopped around. Great dude and great clubhouse guy but it was clear the Blues had moved on from him. Just not a spot for him especially with the young guns we have coming up.
Wasn't everyone on the freakin team shopped around at one point?
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BUT....he was pretty bad for most of the year. Benched many games and he was shopped around. Great dude and great clubhouse guy but it was clear the Blues had moved on from him. Just not a spot for him especially with the young guns we have coming up.
Wasn't everyone on the freakin team shopped around at one point?
Touché
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So the Blues hired Chia as an advisor. Well, at least there's 1 team in the West that'll finish below the Oilers now. Good thing the Blues already won their cup.
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Marner is finally signed. 6 years for $65M-ish.
Expect every other RFA forward to be very happy for him, and I think the rest will get signed within the next week. Winnipeg might have a bit of trouble with both Laine and Connor, and rumour is the Canucks and Boeser are very far apart, so he might take some time.
I still think Marner is over-paid (for now), but on a 6 year deal, it'll probably end up ok in the end. Leafs are in very good shape for the next 3 years, but when Andersen and Reilly come off their contracts, it could be trouble keeping them both if they intend to also keep Matthews/Tavares/Nylander/Marner.
Now let's get down to some hockey. I ended up getting in on some season tickets at the Keybank Center, so I'll get 6 or 7 games - including the Leafs/Sabres pre-season game next Saturday. I got 2 more tickets fairly close to my season's seats, so the jingle.family is gonna take that in next weekend.
:caffeine:
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That's a lot of money. For any player.
Should finally break the ice for the rest of the RFA's hopefully.
I like Marner though. He has always been great against the Bruins. He's a slick motherfucker for sure.
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Jared Spurgeon 7@$53m??
Are you fucking kidding me??
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Jared Spurgeon 7@$53m??
Are you fucking kidding me??
That’s a terrible deal. Serious overpay. I mean, I don’t blame the guy for getting paid, but there’s no way he’s worth that money.
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(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/b/b9/Who_dat.gif/revision/latest?cb=20180604001856)
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McAvoy signed!
https://www.tsn.ca/boston-bruins-sign-charlie-mcavoy-to-a-3-year-deal-1.1365914
Fair deal.
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Indeed. Decent bridge deal. $7.3M salary in year 3, so he'll make at least that much if he pans out at all.
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Gotta get Carlo signed now.
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Jared Spurgeon 7@$53m??
Are you fucking kidding me??
The term is a bit much, especially for a team that needs a serious rebuild, but the dollar amount is only 2 million more than he's making now. It's not going to look nice towards the end though, he makes the same amount as Parise/Suter essentially and those guys are on the decline. He is their best defensemen though, so we'll see. That team is a mess though. The owner needs to disappear, he gets way too friendly with players. He goes to dinner with the GM and player. I think Fenton was a shit GM, but players like Parise and Suter run the show here and tell Leipold, the owner, what to do. Those two were brought here to bring talent and no free agent wants to play here
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https://www.tsn.ca/dreger-discusses-laine-s-reported-comments-remaining-rfa-s-1.1367204
Jason, what's going on here?
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https://www.tsn.ca/dreger-discusses-laine-s-reported-comments-remaining-rfa-s-1.1367204
Jason, what's going on here?
Not only this but Dustin Byfuglien has requested and been granted a leave of absence to 'contemplate his future'. ???
https://deadspin.com/the-jets-nightmare-offseason-keeps-getting-worse-1838212585
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Best quote in that article ... "It’s a jarring reminder that a contending window never stays open for long, and every missed opportunity while it’s still cracked is one opportunity that’ll never come around again."
Jets are victims of doing a good job (too good??) at drafting and developing. Same problem the Leafs have. Laine doesn't deserve anything other than a bridge deal to see if he's the player he was for his first two seasons, or if he's the player he was that (disregarding the 18 he scored in November last year) only scored 12 goals in 70 games. It wouldn't surprise me to see him dealt, or out of the NHL for the whole year.
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Just found out that my middle sons hockey team gets to go down to the Enterprise Center (Blues Arena) this Saturday after their game in the morning and go out on the ice.... and get a Team Picture with the Stanley Cup!!!! :metal What makes it even more cool is that I'm coaching this team so I'll be in the pic also :metal they then get to stay on the ice for a half hour and skate!!!
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Just found out that my middle sons hockey team gets to go down to the Enterprise Center (Blues Arena) this Saturday after their game in the morning and go out on the ice.... and get a Team Picture with the Stanley Cup!!!! :metal What makes it even more cool is that I'm coaching this team so I'll be in the pic also :metal they then get to stay on the ice for a half hour and skate!!!
Holy f'n shitballs man... that's a-fucking-mazing!!! :hefdaddy Wonder if it's the real cup, or the replica. Who cares though!
Makes my excitement of going to the Leafs/Sabres preseason game tomorrow kinda miniscule. Also picking my 6-7 games for the season on Monday. I'm gonna make a play for the St. Louis game in December. Hoping Buffalo can dress a competitive team this year.
I think the Atlantic is gonna be a tough one this year:
Tampa - doubt they have 62 games in them, and I'm certain Point will get signed before the season starts. I still think they win it.
Boston - hard to say. If the combination of Rask/Halak can play as they did last year, they ought to be a lock for #2/#3
Florida - they'll make the leap, and it wouldn't surprise me if they were #2/#3. Adding Bobs, Quenville, and the depth they have up front with 2 superstar defensemen... they're going to make a big improvement this year.
Toronto - guaranteed 9 new players in the starting lineup to begin the season. Methinks October is going to be a rough start for them before they gel. It seriously wouldn't surprise me to see them drop to a WC spot. Plus, their salary cap issues are going to make things REAL problematic if there is any kind of minor injury trouble. The thought around here is that there is a real possibility that they may have trouble even dressing a full lineup if/when there are injuries.
Montreal - they are going to contend again, and might surprise some people
Buffalo - they can't be any more pathetic than last year (can they?), but have to figure out what to with Ristolainen
Detroit/Ottawa - guaranteed bottom 2... though Ottawa has a lot of promise.
I think the Atlantic has a real chance to take 5 of the East playoff spots. The Metro doesn't look all that impressive. Washington will stay strong, but NJ (with Hall back for a full season, and other additions) is the only team that looks like they've improved. Maybe Philli, but not enough to be a playoff contender. CBJ, Isles, Hurricanes all look like they'll take a step back this year. Pitt... at some point, age is going to catchup with their big 3 (Sid, Geno, and Letang). I don't see how/where they've improved.
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Just found out that my middle sons hockey team gets to go down to the Enterprise Center (Blues Arena) this Saturday after their game in the morning and go out on the ice.... and get a Team Picture with the Stanley Cup!!!! :metal What makes it even more cool is that I'm coaching this team so I'll be in the pic also :metal they then get to stay on the ice for a half hour and skate!!!
Holy f'n shitballs man... that's a-fucking-mazing!!! :hefdaddy Wonder if it's the real cup, or the replica. Who cares though!
The 'real' cup is in town as it just had the names engraved and all the players and owners are tweeting and posting pics with it from the Rink and Offices, even their homes. But like you said.....who really cares if it isn't!? It's gonna be a cool experience.
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I think the Atlantic is gonna be a tough one this year:
Tampa - doubt they have 62 games in them, and I'm certain Point will get signed before the season starts. I still think they win it.
Boston - hard to say. If the combination of Rask/Halak can play as they did last year, they ought to be a lock for #2/#3
Florida - they'll make the leap, and it wouldn't surprise me if they were #2/#3. Adding Bobs, Quenville, and the depth they have up front with 2 superstar defensemen... they're going to make a big improvement this year.
Toronto - guaranteed 9 new players in the starting lineup to begin the season. Methinks October is going to be a rough start for them before they gel. It seriously wouldn't surprise me to see them drop to a WC spot. Plus, their salary cap issues are going to make things REAL problematic if there is any kind of minor injury trouble. The thought around here is that there is a real possibility that they may have trouble even dressing a full lineup if/when there are injuries.
Montreal - they are going to contend again, and might surprise some people
Buffalo - they can't be any more pathetic than last year (can they?), but have to figure out what to with Ristolainen
Detroit/Ottawa - guaranteed bottom 2... though Ottawa has a lot of promise.
Ottawa may have promise, but you know Melnyk's gonna Melnyk that right up. I'm very interested in seeing how Florida comes together this year. They are the true wild card in that division, in more ways than one. I think Detroit will start moving up next year, once they clear the dead weight from their defense. This is the last year for Ericsson, Daley and Green, which I'm really happy about. As long as Filip Hronek continues to grow and Cholowski can take the next step, and with Seider and McIsaac about a year away, they could start making some noise in the division within the next few years as Tampa and Boston age, Toronto gets sucked into cap hell, and Buffalo and Ottawa continue to be raging dumpster fires.
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So, it was a pretty incredible experience yesterday getting to go out on the Enterprise Center's ice...sit with the Owner of the Blues, Tom Stillman, and get a team photo with the cup. They they let us have about 5 minutes with the Cup to touch it and take some quick pics.....then let the team skate on the ice for about 15 minutes. It was so cool. I had moments of some tears welling up as it was just such a cool thing to share with my son. I can say this....that Cup is WAY shinier in person that it seems on television. Anyway, here are a couple pics...
As they were setting up the team shot:
(https://i.imgur.com/zKJtJYR.jpg)
My kiddo touching the Cup for the first time: (notice the owner right there...in the top/back left)
(https://i.imgur.com/bFlpETE.jpg)
I got down in there for a second as well:
(https://i.imgur.com/m74zDuA.jpg)
Some more of the team:
(https://i.imgur.com/jfEmf8r.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hj1EzQP.jpg)
Tom Stillman skating with the kids: (I had the chance to speak with him for 5 minutes or so. Very humble man, very grateful for the fans...So Happy for him to get the cup. He's one of the 'good guys')
(https://i.imgur.com/5wTMvIQ.jpg)
Kiddos Skating: (I took my skates also. There was no way I was missing that chance to skate on the ice)
(https://i.imgur.com/QinFQd4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/N4XGIhm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MPVikyt.jpg)
Finally...a quick team pic by the Benches:
(https://i.imgur.com/z6nHdIe.jpg)
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Awesome!!
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That is absolutely amazing!
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Can we name Gmillerdrake, father of the year of DTF yet or no? Seriously, though. That's awesome. These are the kinds of moments that kids will hold onto forever.
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I'm digging the trade the Blues and 'Cane's made.
Blues get Justin Faulk and a 5th round pic. Cane's get Joel Edmunson, prospect Dominik Bokk and a 7th round pic. And, Faulk signs a 7 year, $45 mil extension with the Blues which I like. What I like about it is the breakdown of payment per year. They are paying him well during his 'prime' years and the final two are not bad hits at all.
(Y1 $9 mil Y2 $9 mil Y3 $5.85 mil Y4 $7.9 mil Y5 $4.75 mil Y6 $4.5 mil Y7 $4.5 mil) First five years there's a full no trade, last two it's a limited no trade.
There's a lot of talk around StL now that this means they won't be resigning Petrangelo after his deal expires this year. The Blue's GM says that when they talked to Faulk he understood they had guys the Blues wanted to resign (Petro and Schenn) and that's why they structured his contract the way they did.
I like Petro....he came a long way in my eyes last year in the playoffs. He eats a lot of ice time and is one of the better Dmen in the league. BUT....at the end of his contract he'll be close to 31 years old. It's rumored he wants 7 years, $8+ mil a year. There's no way I could give him 7 years at his age and amount of hard minutes he's logged. I may give him 3-4 year deal at $8 mil....but he's not 'worth' a 7 year term IMO. He has deep ties to St. Louis as his wife is a StL girl....so maybe he takes less money or less term.
As far as Schenn goes....I like him but he'd be my least priority to sign. The Blues have Klim Kostin, Jordan Kyrou, Robert Thomas, Robby Fabbri and a few more young guys that are ready or that have burst into the scene that can fill that void IMO. Schenn is an intense player who can fire up your team....but he also disappears for games at a time. He's rumored to want $7-7.5 mil a year and I just don't know if he's worth that.
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Hell, the talk around Toronto TV/Radio was that Pietro just might be dealt before the season starts. Blues are VERY deep at defense now, and in paying Faulk $6.5M AAV, that's EXACTLY what Pietro is making right now. That's a lot to be paying a guy who may potentially be on the 3rd pairing. Question to you/Kev... has last year's turmoil between he and the club been resolved, or are there still hard feelings?
One hypothesis tossed out was trading Pietro for Laine. Jets aren't going to pay Laine what he thinks he deserves, and they went from very deep at D, to shockingly thin - especially if Buff retires.
Got my games established for the Sabres seats I have - Dallas, San Jose, St. Louis, Florida, Winnipeg, Chicago and NYR. Really wanted the Dallas, Florida, St. Lou and Wpg games, so I'm pleased with what I got.
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Question to you/Kev... has last year's turmoil between he and the club been resolved, or are there still hard feelings?
Well......both he and the club 'say' the right things....but it's tough to tell. In a recent article on The Athletic Jeremy Rutherford asked him how contract talks were going and he shut down the question very abruptly. It feels like to me that he believes he's 'owed' this contract in some way.....maybe thinking his current contract wasn't exactly at the level it should have been? I don't know? Like I said....I like him and he's a solid player but up until that Cup Run last year he was always just a really good D Man....not top tier. Even now, I feel like he's just got one foot on the top tier and one still on the step below.
With how deep the Blues are at D and his age.....I personally wouldn't be devastated if the Blues moved on from him. I know he eats a lot of valuable ice time and plays the 'hard' minutes....but that's a mantle I believe Paryako will easily take over were Petro to leave.
And...considering the Jets are a direct rival to the Blues a trade with them would seem silly....even if it were for a pre-madonna player like Laine.
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I hear ya ... inter-division trades are always risky, in case ya end up blowing the deal, and the other team gets the best of it. I believe guys like Pietro ... late 20s/early 30s guys that are looking to cash in on their UFA contract years, are gonna be sorely disappointed.
The game is changing, and with all these bridge deals for the youngins being given out now, teams are just kicking the can down the road for the big pay day. Brayden Point at $6.75M right now is great ... in 3 years, after the new CBA, and assuming he keeps performing/improving, I can see him coming close to doubling that. The BIG money is now going to younger players and teams are paying for potential, as opposed to paying for the expectation that past performance will continued. There's just too much analytics in the game that the organizations are going to base decisions on (ie, Moneyball)... and I don't see it in putting the most money into contracts that will last to the time a player is in or past his mid-30s.
I mean, look at Doughty's contract. That's about to become a bloody cluster for his age/performance - $11M for the next 7 years :omg: Same with Karlsson - $11.5M AAV when he's 35/36? Those two are NOT the best D-men in the league, and shouldn't (won't?) be paid as such for the next 5 years. Now, Giordano just won the Norris, and Lidstrom won 4 after the age of 35, so maybe I'm way off base here.
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That’s why, it’s a controversial opinion to have, I’m fine with Karlsson not being in Ottawa anymore. He’s really injury prone and was demanding money that wouldn’t exactly be helpful to a team that would eventually need to be in a rebuild. Plus when he’s 38, he’s not gonna be worth 11.5 million. I realize too that in 8 years, the cap should be much higher to the point that 11.5 is small compared to today, but I just don’t see giving an injury prone defenseman 11.5 million for so long.
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With how deep the Blues are at D and his age.....I personally wouldn't be devastated if the Blues moved on from him. I know he eats a lot of valuable ice time and plays the 'hard' minutes....but that's a mantle I believe Paryako will easily take over were Petro to leave.
Pietrangelo had such a beastly Finals. The Blues would not have won the Cup without him, as he was easily the best D Man on the ice for both teams. Parayko was invisible, I thought.
That said, Parayko is the future stud there.
The Jets would be nuts to trade Laine for Pietrangelo though.
But I agree that with Faulk, which was a great move, Pietrangelo could and should be had for the right price.
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The issue with Laine is *which* Laine is going to show up... this year, and/or for the rest of his career. The one that lit up November and is easily a future 50-goal / Rocket winner? Or the guy that couldn't hit the broadside of a barn, skates like he's in mud, and is a constant defensive liability.
The guy might have the potential to score like Ovi, but the rest of his game is nothing like Ovi, that's for sure.
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Can someone just let me know if the Avs are worth watching yet? I don't care to watch shitty hockey.
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The issue with Laine is *which* Laine is going to show up... this year, and/or for the rest of his career. The one that lit up November and is easily a future 50-goal / Rocket winner? Or the guy that couldn't hit the broadside of a barn, skates like he's in mud, and is a constant defensive liability.
The guy might have the potential to score like Ovi, but the rest of his game is nothing like Ovi, that's for sure.
I think it's too early to give up on him. but…
Is it a work ethic thing with him?
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Can someone just let me know if the Avs are worth watching yet? I don't care to watch shitty hockey.
I actually think they are going to be fun to watch this year and only going to get scarier as the next few years roll on. In my opinion, yes, they are worth watching. They have a lot of weapons in their arsenal
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Can someone just let me know if the Avs are worth watching yet? I don't care to watch shitty hockey.
I actually think they are going to be fun to watch this year and only going to get scarier as the next few years roll on. In my opinion, yes, they are worth watching. They have a lot of weapons in their arsenal
Okay... I'll give em a few games to impress me lol
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Parayko was invisible, I thought.
Well....I think Petro might have gotten the coverage but Paryako wasn't invisible by any means. Not sure how hard you were looking at the Blues though :lol . He and Boumeester literally shut down each respective teams top lines series after series. There were many reasons the Blues won the cup and their pairing and Paryako's play in particular was one of them. He played a lot of minutes and is nearly impossible to get by as a forward....even if you do he will catch you.
I'm not trying to diminish what Petro did in the playoffs last year....I even stated such when I said he finally reached that top tier echelon. BUT.....his age will work against him when it comes to wanting that 7 year $8+ mil contract that has been coming out of his camp. He may get it....but it won't be from the Blues.
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He really didn't stand out to me. His play was solid. I expected him to stand out a lot more.
Boumeester had a great Finals. I thought Parayko was a passenger.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2019/09/24/auston-matthews-faces-disorderly-conduct-hearing/2434848001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2019/09/24/auston-matthews-faces-disorderly-conduct-hearing/2434848001/)
What the hell was he thinking? Worse, he didn't tell the Maple Leafs. Dubas just said that he found out about it on Twitter. It's stupid stuff that he was doing, but to not tell the team about it?
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Marner is thinking I should've held out 3 more weeks.
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I dare anyone to tell me they didn't do anything even stupider during a night of drinking in their early 20s. Society is so godamn judgmental and puts everyone under a microscope in doing so. This should be a non-issue. He mooned Paula Blart, ffs. How is this news worthy? That USA article didn't provide half the details the Toronto media is reporting, and makes it out like he was on the verge of assaulting her. I for one know that police often have a tendency to embellish actual events, and have no doubt that's what's happening here.
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I don't have an issue with what he did so much, just more of that he didn't tell the team. If I'm paying someone 15 million a year to represent my brand, I'd like to know if something happened where the police got involved. Maybe it was a non-issue to him, but from her perspective maybe it was a really uncomfortable situation and unwanted interaction. But like I said, tell the team. He told his parents, told his agent, but didn't think to call the team? I'd be pissed if I was the TMLs and I had to find out about this when the rest of us did.
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I hadn't seen anything suggesting the team JUST found out when he rest of us did?
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Thank goodness this ‘gotcha’ culture wasn’t around during Brett Hulls era. He’d have been screwed. :lol There are some stories about he and that Blues teams partying days.
For his 60th birthday I took my Dad to a private charity vent where Hulk, Kelly Chase, Federko, Plager, Unger and a few other alumni we’re at. It was a nice dinner and a night of them on a small stage telling story after story of their shenanigans. It was insane.
I’m not excusing Matthews actions.....but like Chad said......this dude is young and let those who have not sinned cast the first stone.
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I hadn't seen anything suggesting the team JUST found out when he rest of us did?
Dubas himself said he found out on Twitter, so...yeah Matthews never told the team.
Is this as big a deal as the media are making it out to be? No.
Does this show that Matthews is too immature to be an NHL captain? Absolutely.
Yes, young people do all kinds of stupid shit. Even more so if you're young, famous and rich as fuck. That's still no excuse to try to hide this behaviour from your team, and it's a clear sign you don't have the leadership you'd expect from a captain.
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https://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/leafs-dubas-says-he-learned-of-charge-against-auston-matthews-via-twitter-1.4611116 (https://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/leafs-dubas-says-he-learned-of-charge-against-auston-matthews-via-twitter-1.4611116)
The title of the article says it all.
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https://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/leafs-dubas-says-he-learned-of-charge-against-auston-matthews-via-twitter-1.4611116 (https://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/leafs-dubas-says-he-learned-of-charge-against-auston-matthews-via-twitter-1.4611116)
The title of the article says it all.
Fair enough... I just hadn't heard/seen it. And yeah, not telling the team was the bigger (professional) blunder than the actual event itself. I'd say it definitely affects whether or not he gets the "C" now.
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So much for that Laine theory ... 2 year deal, $6.75M AAV. Man, they do NOT have a lot of faith in him.
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That's an interesting contract.
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My guess is he'll do a 1yr deal after this bridge contract then move on from the Jets. Or he gets traded before then, I suppose.
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So much for that Laine theory ... 2 year deal, $6.75M AAV. Man, they do NOT have a lot of faith in him.
Yeah. That’s a very ‘tradeable’ contract. Unless he has a no trade clause. It’s really a prove your worth deal.
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Any GM that ends an RFA contract right as the player enters UFA eligibility is an idiot - unless he's a mediocre player, and it's a cheap contract. The message to Laine (from the team, and himself) is clearly "prove yourself". I checked Capfriendly, and it's not like the team has any major contracts expiring in 2 years that they need to plan/budget for. Point and Tkachuck got 3 year deals. If the team had even a little more faith in him, why not sign him for 3 years at that price? Laine is probably fine with it, because he seems to have a higher opinion of himself, so he's probably thinking he'll cash in with a bigger contract a year sooner than Point/Tkachuck.
It's just a weird scenario to see a team have little faith in a player, while the player seems to be the exact opposite, holding a lot of belief in himself.
Only Rantanen and Connor to go now.
What's the deal with the older UFA guys?? Phaneuf, Marleau, Pomminville, Metho, Vanek.... these are all quality guys that surely aren't expecting large paydays (some were bought out), and no team wants to sign them to a league minimum or $1M-$2M AAV short term contract?
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Hear some Horrific, disheartening news about the All Star game in St. Louis this season. F’n Green Day will be playing at it. I’d rather they just air my 12 year olds saxophone practice.
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Hear some Horrific, disheartening news about the All Star game in St. Louis this season. F’n Green Day will be playing at it. I’d rather they just air my 12 year olds saxophone practice.
It's not as though the NHL has a rich history of high-quality ASG intermission entertainment: something/someone called Ne-Yo, Bebe Rexha, Barenaked Ladies, Hanson.... Nashville had what sounded like a pretty decent country lineup a couple years ago, but I don't like country music. Isn't Green Day about par for the course?
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Hear some Horrific, disheartening news about the All Star game in St. Louis this season. F’n Green Day will be playing at it. I’d rather they just air my 12 year olds saxophone practice.
Dude, you got nothing to complain about. Nothing.
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Hear some Horrific, disheartening news about the All Star game in St. Louis this season. F’n Green Day will be playing at it. I’d rather they just air my 12 year olds saxophone practice.
Dude, you got nothing to complain about. Nothing.
Whole new season Tim. I can muster some grievances :lol
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You're insufferable, man,
Speaking of insufferable, where's Kev been lately?
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Hear some Horrific, disheartening news about the All Star game in St. Louis this season. F’n Green Day will be playing at it. I’d rather they just air my 12 year olds saxophone practice.
I would rather watch Green Day than having KISS at the Dodger Stadium game between the Kings and the Ducks in 2014. That was a rather depressing game if you were a Kings fan that day. At least the ice held up ok. I don't even know why that game didn't even get Van Halen. Wolfgang Van Halen is a huge Kings fan and I've seen a picture together with him, Eddie with custom Kings jerseys and Luc Robitaille with a guitar.
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Yet another reason hockey has become my favorite sport:
https://sports.yahoo.com/blues-superfan-laila-anderson-cant-contain-herself-after-receiving-stanley-cup-ring-from-organization-001923271.html
:tup :tup
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I saw that yesterday, and felt like I needed to post it in the 'Faith in Humanity .... restored' thread.
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Yeah, that’s so great. I knew the Bruins were losing game 7 as soon as I found out she was coming to Boston for the game.
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Pretty cool stuff. I'm still trying to figure out how I can convince my wife to let me buy the $600 'fan' version of the Championship Ring. There's really no good reason to do so....other than....just to have it.
Me and the kiddos are heading down to the DT show tonight....which, is at the Stifel Theater....which...is connected to the Enterprise Center. Opening Day festivities begin at 3 p.m. It's going to be crazy down there. The concert starts at 8, but I think we're gonna get down there around 5:30 and go see some of the tailgaiting and pre-game stuff.
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Sorry, but who the F is this kid, and why are the Blues acting like she's a member of the organization?
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Sorry, but who the F is this kid, and why are the Blues acting like she's a member of the organization?
Long story short: she had a rare blood cancer and met Colton Paryako and Alexander Steen through the work they do with St. Louis Children's Hospital. Her and Colton Paryako became pretty close. She 'beat' her blood cancer.....the Blue's started inviting her to some home playoff games last year and she along with that 'Gloria' song just kind of became a part of the whole atmosphere of the Blues crazy turn around and playoff run.
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Sorry, but who the F is this kid, and why are the Blues acting like she's a member of the organization?
Long story short: she had a rare blood cancer and met Colton Paryako and Alexander Steen through the work they do with St. Louis Children's Hospital. Her and Colton Paryako became pretty close. She 'beat' her blood cancer.....the Blue's started inviting her to some home playoff games last year and she along with that 'Gloria' song just kind of became a part of the whole atmosphere of the Blues crazy turn around and playoff run.
Thanks. I knew she had become sort of a good luck charm, but I didn't know the back story.
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Four ish hours until puck drop. :caffeine:
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I’m watching baseball tonight.
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I’m watching baseball tonight.
Sorry 'bout your luck.
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I’m watching baseball tonight.
Sorry 'bout your luck.
I’ll watch the late game. ;D
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You guys want to do preseason picks? If Kev wants to add them to the OP, great, if not, I have the 2nd reply and I'll list them there.
BTW, where is Kev??
Atlantic- Lightning
Metro- Capitals
Central- Blues
Pacific- Flames
Eastern Finals-Leafs vs Devils
Western Finals-Flames vs Blues
Finals-Leafs vs Flames
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I wouldn't be mad if you're right about the Devils making the conference finals. I'll be at the home opener in Newark on Friday :hat
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I wouldn't be mad if you're right about the Devils making the conference finals. I'll be at the home opener in Newark on Friday :hat
I wouldn't be mad if you made a prediction!
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Not gonna lie, I don't know enough about the rest of the league to make any predictions. I love the Devils, will go to at least a handful of games and watch a bunch more, but the Western Conference in particular would mostly blind guesses.
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I like the cut of your job, Tom, but I don’t see that happening. Leafs still have some growing pains. I thin Tampa is gonna be a ... wiser?? ... and even more formidable team this year - even with less than 62 wins. I’ll make predictions later when I’m not on my phone.
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OK Chan.
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Here's how I see it rolling out:
Atlantic: Lightning
Metro: Devils
Pacific: Flames
Central: Blues
Cup Final: Lightning vs. Sharks
I think Calgary can easily win the division, but they'll run into goal tending issues in the playoffs and lose round 1 in 5 games.
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Agree on Calgary. The duo of Ridditch and Talbot is not gonna take them deep into the playoffs.
Atlantic: Lightning
Metro: Devils
Central: Stars
West: Flames
ECF: Lightning v Capitals
WCF: Sharks v Preds
Finals: Lightning v Preds
Sorry Gary... I think the Preds did the most to improve in the Central, and the combination of Rinne and Saros WILL take them far.
Trophy Winners:
Hart - Barkov
Norris - Burns
Vezina - Bishop
Art Ross - McDavid
Rocket Richard - Matthews
Adams - Quennville is the easy pick. So I'll go Dave Tippett, and boldly predict he gets the Oil into the playoffs
Lady Byng - Marchand :rollin Tavares (hell, I dunno... so I'll go all homer on this one)
Selke - Aho
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Sorry Gary... I think the Preds did the most to improve in the Central, and the combination of Rinne and Saros WILL take them far.
No apology needed. Central is going to be a beast again this year. The Av's and Starts are going to be really tough....plus the Preds. I think the Blues will get into the playoffs and hopefully from there they defy the odds and throw a repeat at me but that's doubtful and I'm not seeing a Central Division Championship from them either.
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The Central will surely have 5 in the playoffs. Just depends on how far Winnipeg drops. I see them as WC at best. I don't see Binnington going 25-5, and Allen is still volatile as a backup. I think Stars/Preds are 1-2; Blues, Avs and Jets fight for 3-5. Chicago might surprise though. Minnesota is still on the outside looking in.
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I think Allen will surprise a lot of people because he is at his best when he’s not ‘the man’ and when there’s a tandem so to speak.
I’d think Binnington gets 50 starts and Allen gets 30....at least, that’s the way I’d do it. Allen is super gifted and athletic in goal. He just head cases out when it’s ALL put on his shoulders.
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I like the cut of your job, Tom, but I don’t see that happening. Leafs still have some growing pains.
I think Tampa wins the division, but the R1G7 this year will be in Toronto (against Boston obviously).
Bruins start their season tonight with a tough 4 game road trip.
@ Dallas
@ Arizona
@ Vegas
@ Colorado
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I like the cut of your job, Tom, but I don’t see that happening. Leafs still have some growing pains.
I think Tampa wins the division, but the R1G7 this year will be in Toronto (against Boston obviously).
Maybe, but I'm on record as saying that I think Toronto gets off to a soft start, and could fall out of the Top 3 in the Atlantic. And if I'm to be completely honest that might not be a bad thing. I think the WC winner(s) in the Atlantic will have an easier path to get to the ECF final. Maybe I'll have a different opinion in April, but I think every playoff team out of the Metro will far more beatable than anyone in the Atlantic. I just don't see the top 3/4 in the Metro being as strong as the top 3/4 in the Atlantic. Now... anything can happen in the 2nd season, but this is just how I'm reading the tea leaves at the moment.
The Leafs looked good last night... but ffs, it was Ottawa. Toronto has big problems on the horizon. I must be dense, because they look like they are - to the dollar - right on the salary cap - and that's with only 1 extra forward, and 2 extra D. 1/2 the team is on sub $1M AAC contracts. I have no idea how they are going to put Hyman (@$2.25M AAV) back on the roster when his ACL is rehab'd. Maybe there's something I'm not following with how the salaries are all adding up - Capfriendly isn't helping me understand it any better either. ANY kind of minor injury/ies puts them in serious jeopardy in being able to dress 20 players. They have to have a LOT of things go right for them to finish ahead of Boston and Florida.
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I wanted to ask you...what is Babcock's relationship with Dubas? Which guy is actually "in charge"?
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My understanding of the Leafs cap situation is that once Hyman returns they have to either bury salary in the minors or trade out dollars somewhere.
The minors could work, but, as Chad mentioned, they're already running short handed. They'd be left with almost no reserves if they need to send 2 guys to the minors just for cap purposes.
A trade could work, but then they'd be trading from a position of serious weakness since they'd be giving up an actual asset for more league minimum contacts (assuming they also haven't hit their 50 contact limit).
It'll be interesting to see what happens there. Dubas painted himself into a bit of a corner with the high paid forwards, but the Leafs have a pretty good window of 5 years or so where they should be considered serious cup contenders.
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My understanding of the Leafs cap situation is that once Hyman returns they have to either bury salary in the minors or trade out dollars somewhere.
The problem is - as best as I can tell - they literally don't have enough dollars to send down to the minors. None of the 7-figure players (forward or defence) are going to the minors. To bring Hyman back, even if they drop the most expensive 'expendable' player, there's still an additional $1.3M they need to shed. That's two more players from the bottom of the roster, which leaves them only 20 players on the roster - ergo no room for a scratch for any reason.
The consensus is that Ceci will be toast. There's no other big salary that is an obvious disposable player. Reilly, Muzzin and Barrie are all locked in on the D. The top 7 forwards are all locked in. Everyone else is <$1M AAV. Ceci is the only 7 figure AAV that looks disposable (and it's a one-year contract). But you're right, they'll be trading from a position of weakness. The only saving grace is that there are lots of teams that might very well need a Ceci style defensemen that have cap space. If Buff retires, Winnipeg is an obvious choice.
Unless of course there's some other angle with salary cap rules that I don't know about.
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Blues extend Brayden Schenn......(8) years....$52 million. AAV of $6.5 million.
I haven't seen the breakdown of the yearly salary but this is a pretty 'team' friendly deal as far as money goes. I think Schenn could have gotten a bit more on the open market. Maybe not the (8) year term though. That's the risky part of this one.
Doesn't necessarily mean they won't sign Petrangelo BUT I think this does indicate that Petro may not be getting both term and value from the Blues. One will have to give. I've heard rumors that the Blues were looking at a (4) year term at $8.5 a year for Petro. Who knows.
Year by Year:
- Year 1: $8 M
- Year 2: $8 M
- Year 3: $5.2 M
- Year 4: $8 M
- Year 5: $8 M
- Year 6: $6.5 M
- Year 7: $4.3 M
- Year 8: $4 M
The way this was structured looks to benefit both team and player and gives the team some flexibility signing others
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It should be team friendly. He's 28 now, so a couple of years at that price for a 35 year old guy. $6.5M AAV sounds decent enough to me. Come 2026, I wouldn't be surprised to see the cap approaching $100M, so this price tag should be easily affordable for a 35 year old guy, provided he's putting up 40+ points
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Well, the Devils home opener was fun until it... wasn't :lol Blowing a 4-0 lead is certainly a shitty way to start the season, but there were definitely some positives in there. Most of the hyped new additions looked good (Subban, Gusev, and Simmonds), and Cory Schneider looked really solid in net until he got hurt in the process of allowing the second goal. Hughes didn't look great, guessing maybe a combination of nerves and having to adjust to the size differential between himself and a lot of NHL players. PK Subban is already way over with Devils fans, the place went nuts when he laid a big open ice hit on the first penalty kill.
At least seeing this insanity in person was pretty cool
https://www.nhl.com/video/colemans-incredible-goal/t-277350912/c-69360103
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That goal was insane. He had a backhander like that against the Pens a couple years ago. TSN went ape-shit gaga over it... must've shown the replay at every angle, 2 or 3 times.
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Kings' season opener is tonight against Oilers. I'm going to reiterate what I said last season to what they need to do well. Play good hockey (obviously, this can apply to all teams, but we cannot emphasize this enough), avoid legal troubles, and avoid injuries. I'm also going to add don't let Rob Blake make a bad decision (whether it is a player acquirement, a trade, etc.) that doesn't pay off for us in the end.
Other than that, from what I have been reading and hearing, especially on the NHL Network on Sirus XM when they discussed all the teams one by one in one hour segments, people don't have the brightest hopes for the Kings to make it to the playoffs and even in the offshoot that they do, it's probably going to end up in a first-round exit. That hurts me to hear that can be the case and it's probably going to end up to be true, but I can't write off this season as a wash before it begins. I NEED THE HOPE!
Edit: And just like that, McDavid skated so well that when he shoot the puck, it deflected on one of our guys and it went in. FOR f*** sakes. There's goes the idea of play good hockey in the first 90 seconds of the game.
Edit x 2: Got one back. Oilers' goalie sorta overplayed his position which left a wide net. I'll take it.
Edit x 3: Man, this is going to be a rough season if we got the lead four times over the Oilers and can't close the deal in regulation.
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That was a very sad 3rd period by the Leafs. They mailed it in when it was 4-1, and Hutchinson is not a good enough goalie to save their bacon. This is the start I fear this team is in for - very strong offensively, but struggling defensively. It's gonna be December/January before they get their defensive shit together, and I don't see how the team can dial Anderson's starts down in to the 50s.
And they have no money to go out and get anyone. Big blunder last year letting McElhinney go in favour of Sparks.
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This is the start I fear this team is in for
2-0-1, 5 points out of 6 possible.
All teams should have such a tough start... ;D
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This is the start I fear this team is in for
2-0-1, 5 points out of 6 possible.
All teams should have such a tough start... ;D
Outcome may be good... they could just have easily lost the Ottawa and Columbus games if not for a stellar performance by Anderson. Blowing a 4-1 lead 6 minutes into the 3rd (go ahead ... it's a softball) is unacceptable. They have no answer for a strong forecheck - it was just lucky the 1st two games were Ottawa and Columbus.
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Nice comeback win for the Blues last night at home. Dallas scored a goal that appeared to put them ahead 3-1 in the 3rd, but the Blues challenged it and it was overturned since a Star was offsides by like an inch, so they game stayed at 2-1, and then the Blues scored two goals to take a 3-2 lead and then held on at the end to win. :tup :tup
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This is the start I fear this team is in for
2-0-1, 5 points out of 6 possible.
All teams should have such a tough start... ;D
Outcome may be good... they could just have easily lost the Ottawa and Columbus games if not for a stellar performance by Anderson. Blowing a 4-1 lead 6 minutes into the 3rd (go ahead ... it's a softball) is unacceptable. They have no answer for a strong forecheck - it was just lucky the 1st two games were Ottawa and Columbus.
You gotta win the games you're supposed to win.
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Agreed. There will be invariably games throughout the season that are lost that should've been won, and vice versa. It just stings to let this kind of game slip away. Why Babcock didn't save Anderson for an intra-divisional game, as opposed to his rigid ways of resting the starter in game 2 of a back-to-back, I don't know. A W vs Montreal is far more advantageous than one against Columbus.
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That's only if you believe that Montreal will be challenging Toronto for a playoff spot. If you played Hutch against Columbus and lost, but won the Montreal game, you'd only have 2 points to show for the weekend instead of 3. Stop pulling a Gary!
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That's only if you believe that Montreal will be challenging Toronto for a playoff spot. If you played Hutch against Columbus and lost, but won the Montreal game, you'd only have 2 points to show for the weekend instead of 3. Stop pulling a Gary!
Dude... Montreal had 96 points last year (four points behind the Leafs), and if not for going 3-0-1 vs Mtl (two of which were OT victories), they could've been tied, or on the outside of the playoffs themselves. Montreal will/should be contending for a spot. I honestly believe that the Atlantic will have 5 in the playoffs this year.
So yeah, every point against a divisional rival matters.
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Kings' season opener is tonight against Oilers. I'm going to reiterate what I said last season to what they need to do well. Play good hockey (obviously, this can apply to all teams, but we cannot emphasize this enough), avoid legal troubles, and avoid injuries. I'm also going to add don't let Rob Blake make a bad decision (whether it is a player acquirement, a trade, etc.) that doesn't pay off for us in the end.
Other than that, from what I have been reading and hearing, especially on the NHL Network on Sirus XM when they discussed all the teams one by one in one hour segments, people don't have the brightest hopes for the Kings to make it to the playoffs and even in the offshoot that they do, it's probably going to end up in a first-round exit. That hurts me to hear that can be the case and it's probably going to end up to be true, but I can't write off this season as a wash before it begins. I NEED THE HOPE!
Edit: And just like that, McDavid skated so well that when he shoot the puck, it deflected on one of our guys and it went in. FOR f*** sakes. There's goes the idea of play good hockey in the first 90 seconds of the game.
Edit x 2: Got one back. Oilers' goalie sorta overplayed his position which left a wide net. I'll take it.
Edit x 3: Man, this is going to be a rough season if we got the lead four times over the Oilers and can't close the deal in regulation.
I didn't get to watch the whole game, but I will say that I'd rather lose games 6-5 than 2-1 and 3-1. Unfortunately, I won't have a good opportunity to go to a game until Thanksgiving week.
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The hockey club my kids and I play under had a private viewing of the Cup last night. It was on site for about an hour and the board members and family had some pics with it. Then, they stopped the game I was playing in to take some pics of it at center ice....then had us two teams take a pic with it also! It was pretty cool!
Apparently the St. Louis Blues are trying to get the cup to every hockey club in the area. I just happened to be playing in the time slot that it arrived at ours. :tup
(https://i.imgur.com/o9BVEvf.jpg)
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I'm not jealous at all.
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WTF?! Who's the one guy on the blue team holding up a finger for 'number 1'? Does he realize he didn't win the cup?
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WTF?! Who's the one guy on the blue team holding up a finger for 'number 1'? Does he realize he didn't win the cup?
Don't know him by name.....this is his first session. Real douchy move though
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Cool stuff, Gary. :tup :tup
Nice win for the champs last night in Toronto. :hat
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Nice baiting comment Kev. We must've watched a different game.
Stay classy.
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Nice baiting comment Kev. We must've watched a different game.
Stay classy.
Defensive much? It's all in good fun. Good grief. :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Kev, busting on a guy's hockey team is like busting on his wife. I'm on Team J Boy here.
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Well, 3 games in and it's already clear that Edmonton won the Neal/Lucic trade.
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Well, 3 games in and it's already clear that Edmonton won the Neal/Lucic trade.
I think most people would've guessed the outcome when the deal was made. It's rather shocking how bad Calgary misused Neal.
Although, playing with McDavid does give him a bit of an unfair advantage to compare against.
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Good to wake up to see the B's fought back to win after being down 2-0 on the road.
1st time 3-0 in 18 years.
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Kev, busting on a guy's hockey team is like busting on his wife. I'm on Team J Boy here.
:hat :hat
:P :P
I was crabby last night, so pardon my bad attitude, sports fans. :coolio
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What's your excuse every other day? ;D
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:lol :lol
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Hi bitches. Lol
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Rage room not needed when you can blank a divisional opponent in your home opener. :D
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Rage room not needed when you can blank a divisional opponent in your home opener. :D
Give it time. :biggrin:
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This is the start I fear this team is in for
2-0-1, 5 points out of 6 possible.
All teams should have such a tough start... ;D
And now 3 straight losses. As I was saying ....
It's gonna be at least December before the team gels. Hopefully not later. I'm telling ya, there's a real chance they are 7th or 8th in the East, and fighting for a WC spot.
Which may not be a bad thing.
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Pleasantly surprised with the Wings' 3-1 start to the year. The top line of Bertuzzi-Larkin-Mantha is looking like one of the best in the league. Mantha's got 6 goals already, including scoring all of the goals in their 4-3 win over the Stars. I fully expect a regression at some point, as there is no way they can outscore their defensive issues, but it looks like they will be a tough match for teams all season long. Maybe this is the year they just miss the playoffs but win the draft lottery!
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I know it's early, but a fewthings seem back-asswards at the moment. Edmonton/Buffalo undefeated (along with Carolina, but I expected them to be pretty good). SJ 1-4? Jersey winless?
Things will even themselves out in due time.
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Edmonton's start is definitely a surprise. Having two 100-point scorers on the team means they should be in the mix in any game, but the reason for their success out of the gate is consistent goaltending. Talbot was a dumpster fire for all but 1 season in Edmonton, so it's a nice change of pace to have goalies that can make a save. I still think that until they can show this level of consistency for 20 or more games I'll stick with my 11-14th in the western conference prediction for them.
Jersey is the biggest surprise to me. They have a lot of really good pieces there, so no wins to start the season is a bit of a head scratcher.
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The Oilers' third uni's are hurting my eyes. :lol
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The Oilers' third uni's are hurting my eyes. :lol
I was just coming on here to piss all over the 3rd jerseys lol
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I'll tell you who needs a rage room: Sharks fans during the playoffs!
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Jason Zucker with the Minnesota Wild really caused a stir this week.
The Wild are off to a horrendous start this season, which is really no surprise. After their loss to the Montreal Canadiens on Thursday (4-0) which put the wild at 1-6, the worst goal differential in the league and the worst goals for/goals against in the league. They had a 10-minute players only meeting after the game and then talked to the media. Zucker came out of that meeting with this to say:
I think more than (a meeting’s) going to have to jumpstart us, to be honest with you,” Zucker said. “It’s going to be each individual guy from Bruce on down. Bruce has got to be better. We’ve got to be better. Everybody’s got to be better. That’s it.
He actually called out Bruce Boudreau when the entire team isn't performing up to standards/their contracts, including Jason Zucker. Bruce is doing everything he can with the players he was given, they have the oldest team in the league and they can't keep up with teams top lines and some bottom lines. I don't know what Bruce can do differently. They're doing to Bruce what they did to their last three coaches, where they just stop playing for them. Parise and Suter still apparently don't fly with the team, they fly separately. The owner is in denial and still think they are contenders, they keep using St Louis as an example of "Anything Can Happen." Today, the Wild snapped their 232 game sellout on home ice...people are getting tired.
There was a decent amount of backlash for Jason's comments. Most said that although he called out the team as well, it was in poor taste to only name Bruce by name. It was sad though that the local sports radio station, KFAN, kissed Jason's ass and said people were blowing it out of proportion and that people were just looking for a headline. The thing is though, Zucker's wife has a show on KFAN and is friends with the whole broadcast team. Even the Athletic Wild reporter had Carly Zucker on his podcast the day after and said people were wrong for calling out Jason.
Jason apologized for it, but then said the media needs to be better and start reporting more positive stories on the team, instead of focusing on the negative.
If they want positive, they should start winning...
https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2019/10/18/things-are-so-bad-for-wild-even-bruce-boudreaus-getting-called-out/ (https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2019/10/18/things-are-so-bad-for-wild-even-bruce-boudreaus-getting-called-out/)
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Sounds like Jason Zucker brought it on himself.
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Awesome win tonight over the Avs, giving them their first regulation loss. :tup :tup
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Awesome win tonight over the Avs, giving them their first regulation loss. :tup :tup
I got to go with my kiddos. A buddy of mine called and said his company suite seats were open and he couldn't go. It was my youngest's first Blue's game....and we got to meet Bob Plager :metal
(https://i.imgur.com/2r9NRii.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QTntF9D.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PFeHQRF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JI9nNG8.jpg)
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Those are great shots!
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That's fantastic! Great hockey year for the Miller clan.
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Those are great shots!
:tup
That's fantastic! Great hockey year for the Miller clan.
Yes it has!!
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Good stuff, Gary! :tup :tup
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Plager told a couple cool little stories. One was, in regards to the 'drop pass' that has been prevalent in today's NHL. He said that they used to call that the 'KC drop pass' because if you did that in a game you'd be in Kansas City the next day on the team in the minors :lol
He talked about how he in particular passed up a lot of heavy hits due to how they'd always think about who their opponents were playing in the following games. If they were chasing a team in the standings and they knew the team they were playing was playing them in the next few days they wouldn't hit that teams best players all too hard or often....hoping they'd beat the team they were chasing. (this was in context of a playoff push....not all season)
He also talked about the scoreboard being the coach in the third period. If you're up by (2) with five to play....it's the gain the red line and dump and puck control. But if you're down by (2) with seven to play it's everyone is pushing and taking chances.
It was cool to get to talk and chat it up with him. I texted my dad the picture and knew he'd be jealous being my pops has been a fan since the Blues inception.
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Good stuff. :coolio
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Still very, very early in the season, however, I may need to admit that this year's Oilers are the real deal. The McDavid/Draisaitl combo looks unbelievable. I'll reassess my 12th place prediction at the 20 game mark. Still need to see more scoring from the bottom 6 though if they plan to still be competitive post Christmas.
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Can the Blues make it 4 in a row in Boston tonight?? :hat
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David Krejčí out tonight.
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So is Tarasenko. Getting re-evaluated on Monday. Left the Last game a few minutes in. Possible shoulder injury. Same one he’s had two surgeries on. :omg:
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Damn, not good for him.
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Damn, not good for him.
Yeah. It’s never good when they say ‘he will be re-evaluated’.
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Watching the Heritage Classic and it looks cold AF in Winnipeg.
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The Bruins really wanted that game tonight. Blech.
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The Bruins really wanted that game tonight. Blech.
I didn't watch it. I was telling Gary earlier that the Bruins are off to a great start this year. The year after they lost to Chicago, they went out and won the President's Cup, only to get unceremoniously bounced in the first round by the Capitals.
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So much can happen over the course of an 82-game season. I fully expect Buffalo to miss the playoffs again despite this hot start. Didn't they do that last year?
The Oilers are fun to watch, so I hope their good start lasts.
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The Bruins really wanted that game tonight. Blech.
There's a circus comment in here somewhere. :biggrin: :P :-*
Now last night, the Leafs DID get clowned by the Habs. Second time they give up 3 in the 3rd to that team. This is exactly the October/November start I felt was coming. I just hope they find their game sometime by mid-December.
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I just saw the standings. I had no clue to Buffalo's hot start.
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I just saw the standings. I had no clue to Buffalo's hot start.
I've been to two of their games. They look solid. Their hot start last year, and 10-game winning streak (where iirc, 7 of them were OT/SO wins) was an fluke / anomaly. They look more legit this year. Hutton/Ulmark are seemingly a very good 1-2 combination between the pipes.
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I like that the B's are right up there eith only 10 games played so far.
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Went to the game last night, our first of the season, and got to see a great comeback against Columbus. :D
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Tarasenko to have surgery on the same left shoulder he’s had two surgeries on already. Will be re-evaluated in 5 months. :omg:
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Tarasenko to have surgery on the same left shoulder he’s had two surgeries on already. Will be re-evaluated in 5 months. :omg:
jingle.daughter is pissed cuz she took him in the pool we're in.
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Awful news, regarding Tarasenko. The team is rock solid everywhere, but the West is deep, so it'll be interesting to see how they without him.
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Awful news, regarding Tarasenko. The team is rock solid everywhere, but the West is deep, so it'll be interesting to see how they without him.
Replacing 35-40 goals and 35-40 Assists isn't going to be easy.....or even doable. Bottom line is what skilled players we have will have to step up...period.....hope to make the playoffs and around that time we'd get him back. It's a chance for some youngsters to prove themselves. Could be a blessing in disguise.
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Sums up the Oilers rather nicely...
(https://i.imgur.com/X9yAqfi.jpg)
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Right you are Kev... the rest of the league had no chance with Tarasenko in the lineup. Precisely the place you want to be in the standings to have the rest of the league by the balls - 16th overall ::) Anyhoo...
Leafs PP was dreadful last night - 1-8, including a 1+ minute 5-3. Taking 2 penalties in OT didn't help their chances. 5-5, they played a great game. Nothing short of a miracle that they held in there against the Caps. Can't believe they are tied with the Kings for the worst GA in the entire league :omg: I mean, everyone knows defense is not their forte, but man. Good thing they're 2nd overall in GF! Still got some significant growing pains to work thru - and it ain't gonna get any easier. Hyman coming of IR in a couple of weeks will help from a personnel standpoint, but it's gonna further cripple them from a cap/roster standpoint.
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Right you are Kev... the rest of the league had no chance with Tarasenko in the lineup. Precisely the place you want to be in the standings to have the rest of the league by the balls - 16th overall ::)
Jeez, between the clown show comment and this, I am starting to think you've lost your sense of humor.
(https://cdn.sivanaspirit.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/03215906/2f8df3c724ac00259a01631082a8713a_featured.jpg)
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Right you are Kev... the rest of the league had no chance with Tarasenko in the lineup. Precisely the place you want to be in the standings to have the rest of the league by the balls - 16th overall ::)
Jeez, between the clown show comment and this, I am starting to think you've lost your sense of humor.
(https://cdn.sivanaspirit.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/03215906/2f8df3c724ac00259a01631082a8713a_featured.jpg)
First, my shot back was meant tongue-in-cheek... perhaps we both need to lighten up :P
Second, I'm starting to think you need FUNNY material... or maybe just some material that doesn't tie back to your apparent Blues superiority complex. :lol
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The surprise of the season for me so far is the Sharks. They seem to be so far apart as a team, and I don't see a fix for that one right now. Ottawa dominated them on Sunday, most of the team and coach got ejected at the end of the Boston game yesterday. Karlsson is in a funk and that contract already isn't looking good, and their goaltending still wasn't addressed in the offseason.
Don't get me wrong, I hope they suck for the rest of the season, Ottawa owns their first round pick. I'm just shocked by their start
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The surprise of the season for me so far is the Sharks. They seem to be so far apart as a team, and I don't see a fix for that one right now. Ottawa dominated them on Sunday, most of the team and coach got ejected at the end of the Boston game yesterday. Karlsson is in a funk and that contract already isn't looking good, and their goaltending still wasn't addressed in the offseason.
Don't get me wrong, I hope they suck for the rest of the season, Ottawa owns their first round pick. I'm just shocked by their start
Right?? Them and Dallas are shockingly bad. I know it's only 12-ish games in, but I remember hearing a very good saying once "you can't play your way *IN* to the playoffs in October, but you can play your way *OUT* of them" The Blues were an anomaly last year. Some teams better get their shit together soon.
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The surprise of the season for me so far is the Sharks. They seem to be so far apart as a team, and I don't see a fix for that one right now. Ottawa dominated them on Sunday, most of the team and coach got ejected at the end of the Boston game yesterday. Karlsson is in a funk and that contract already isn't looking good, and their goaltending still wasn't addressed in the offseason.
My thoughts after watching the Sharks last night..
That team's heart was Pavelski. There is no leadership on that team.
Karlsson was absolutely invisible. I wonder if his groin is still bad.
Thornton..I didn't notice him...or Marleau for that matter.
Logan Coutre (sp?) is the Captain?
Burns should be wearing the C, though he's lost a step.
Martin Jones blows, but his D hung him out to dry.
The Sharks tapped out about halfway through the second period.
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The Dallas/Minnesota game last night was hilarious. It was 3-0 Minnesota towards the end of the 2nd period and the Minnesota commentary team was talking about how awful Dallas was and how they had no clue how to figure Minnesota out. Then they talked about how with all of the injuries in the Central, the Wild have a real shot at first in the central ( :lol). Then in the final minutes, Dallas scored. Came back for the third period, Minnesota completely fell apart and ended up losing the game 6-3. Six unanswered goals in 21 minutes. As the period progressed, the MN commentary shifted to this weird reverence for Dallas and their offensive prowess and commitment to growing defensively. It was a compete tonal 180.
But you're right, Jingle, Dallas and Sharks are two very shockingly bad teams and we are almost to that American Thanksgiving benchmark. The Pacific is a weird division too because there seem to be a lot of pretenders and false starts. Is Edmonton sustainable (offense like that isn't, but it's McDavid, so who knows)? They are kinda falling apart. Phoenix is a bubble team, Calgary is bipolar, Anaheim is off to a surprising start and Vegas is dominant and then lax the next night. LA is LA--goaltending sucks. Vancouver is growing and probably going to get better and better as the season goes, Markstrom is playing really well. The Sharks have come out slow and bad before and rebounded into what we saw last playoffs, but this is really bad. But maybe they rebound and still have a shot.
Dallas could still rebound, they have the pieces. Bishop will eventually find his game. The Central is weird too. I think the Avs will be fine without that offense for a bit because their defense and goaltending are phenomenal and will change up their style to help supplement the decline in offense. St Louis will probably find a way, Winnipeg, who knows..., Minnesota is up the river of Denial and keep using St Louis as an example of anything can happen (seriously GM and owner have all said that the once every 20 years story of last year's is doable for their team). Blackhawks are disappointing to me, I thought they would be up there or at least Wild Card and Nashville is doing what I expected them to do.
Add New Jersey to that list of shocks. Their little display of commitment to winning that they did this summer with the trades and Jack Hughes to show Taylor Hall they are the real deal isn't going so well. I feel bad for Jack Hughes, he was expected to be McDavid and I think he's putting a lot of pressure on himself. He'll be fantastic as time goes on. Again... Devils need goaltending!
And I agree TAC with all of your bullet points. Losing Pavelski is hurting more than the team thought it would, or at least that's what I think. Couture is trying to be that heart, but it isn't working. Calling out players in the media doesn't usually go so well. They are old with Thorton and Marleau on the team, although I think losing Thornton would only sink morale further. I agree Karlsson still appears to be injured (he's never been the same since that ankle injury against Boston in the playoffs two years ago. It's not a popular opinion in Ottawa or at least not on Sens Twitter, but I'm okay with them moving on from Karlsson. I don't think he's worth what he thinks he's worth. Sharks thought otherwise). Burns probably should be Captain, he strikes me as a powerful voice and one of those leaders that when he talks, you listen.
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https://www.tsn.ca/chicago-blackhawks-d-brent-seabrook-feels-he-can-still-be-a-good-player-for-somebody-1.1389633
Interesting.
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https://www.tsn.ca/chicago-blackhawks-d-brent-seabrook-feels-he-can-still-be-a-good-player-for-somebody-1.1389633
Interesting.
I feel no pity for him as the dirty a$$ player he is or for Chicago being stuck with that ridiculous contract until 2024.
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https://www.tsn.ca/chicago-blackhawks-d-brent-seabrook-feels-he-can-still-be-a-good-player-for-somebody-1.1389633
Interesting.
I feel no pity for him as the dirty a$$ player he is or for Chicago being stuck with that ridiculous contract until 2024.
I agree 100%.
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Flyers 4-1 over the Hurricanes tonight, great game, and sat 2nd row at the end where every goal was scored. Carter Hart had a much needed great game again, with his only goal against being 100% not his fault.
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6 wins in a row now for the Blues without Taransenko. :hat
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6 wins in a row now for the Blues without Taransenko. :hat
They’re playing gritty and still seem to have that ‘team’ mentality going. Next man up. Plus.....after a shaky start to the season as far as allowing some soft goals.....Binnington has been pretty locked in.
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@gmillerdrake, any intel on Robby Fabbri? Looks like the Wings just acquired him last night for Jacob de la Rose. Wondering what your thoughts are.
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6 wins in a row now for the Blues without Taransenko. :hat
Maybe the thread should've been titled "Tarasenko injury gives Blues a chance" :rollin
:P :-*
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@gmillerdrake, any intel on Robby Fabbri? Looks like the Wings just acquired him last night for Jacob de la Rose. Wondering what your thoughts are.
He’s very skilled. His issue is he’s just not getting the playing time. He’s one game in four in the press box. There are a couple other guys ahead of him that are more ‘gritty’ than he is and that are performing well and he can’t seem to crack the lineup.
IF he can return to his rookie season form he’s an offensive threat....good forechecker and quick. But he had back to back knee surgeries on the heels of a great rookie season and hasn’t seemed to be able to get consistency.
He asked for a trade because he wants to play. I think the change of scenery and more minutes will do him good. Yzerman isn’t an idiot and I bet he knows that with more playing time that Fabbri can be a top 6 player.
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Wings need offense as they have WAY too many 4th line grinder types. Hope the trade is a win/win for all involved.
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Wings need offense as they have WAY too many 4th line grinder types. Hope the trade is a win/win for all involved.
I think it will be. De La Rose has the size and style of play Berube wants. He will have a role in the 3rd or 4th line....be a grinder and responsible defensively.
Fabbri can score. No doubt about it. There just isn’t a spot for him on the Blues to get consistent playing time.
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6 wins in a row now for the Blues without Taransenko. :hat
Maybe the thread should've been titled "Tarasenko injury gives Blues a chance" :rollin
:P :-*
Hmmm, now there's an idea... :lol :lol :tup :tup
Wings need offense as they have WAY too many 4th line grinder types. Hope the trade is a win/win for all involved.
Not me. While I like Fabbri and would like to see him do well, him becoming a Red Wing means I cannot root for him under circumstance, unless of course they are playing the Blackhawks, in which case I would silently root for an earthquake to take out both teams. Kidding...mostly. :biggrin:
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6 wins in a row now for the Blues without Taransenko. :hat
Maybe the thread should've been titled "Tarasenko injury gives Blues a chance" :rollin
:P :-*
Hmmm, now there's an idea... :lol :lol :tup :tup
Wings need offense as they have WAY too many 4th line grinder types. Hope the trade is a win/win for all involved.
Not me. While I like Fabbri and would like to see him do well, him becoming a Red Wing means I cannot root for him under circumstance, unless of course they are playing the Blackhawks, in which case I would silently root for an earthquake to take out both teams. Kidding...mostly. :biggrin:
Man, I miss the Wings being in the Norris/Central Division. Those rivalries were fun. This was one of my favorite games against the Blues:
https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/200303290STL.html
I think it ended with 9 guys on the bench for Detroit and 6 for St. Louis. 15 misconduct or game misconduct penalties handed out in the third period!
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Man, I miss the Wings being in the Norris/Central Division. Those rivalries were fun.
For you :lol So close yet so far away SO many times thanks to that freaking Russian injected F'n team of yours :lol
But seriously.....those were battles!!! Even with what the Blues have going rivalry wise with the Preds, Stars and Jets now it's nowhere near as gritty or entertaining or intense as what the old Blues/Wings or even Blues/Hawks used to be.
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I was flipping channels the other day and found a documentary called "The Russian Five" (or something like that). The part I saw talked about the Kris Draper game in 96 and then the payback game the following season. I DVR'd it because I was leaving the house and am looking forward to watching it (googling, it looks like it's not exactly new, but nevertheless...). Those were good times, even though, back then, I HATED those Wings teams.
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I was flipping channels the other day and found a documentary called "The Russian Five" (or something like that). The part I saw talked about the Kris Draper game in 96 and then the payback game the following season. I DVR'd it because I was leaving the house and am looking forward to watching it (googling, it looks like it's not exactly new, but nevertheless...). Those were good times, even though, back then, I HATED those Wings teams.
I'm of course biased, but that really is a great documentary. The stories behind how the Wings got Fedorov and Vladimir Konstantinov out of Russia and into the US are particularly interesting. Definitely some late Cold War type of spy games and such.
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Man, I miss the Wings being in the Norris/Central Division. Those rivalries were fun.
For you :lol So close yet so far away SO many times thanks to that freaking Russian injected F'n team of yours :lol
But seriously.....those were battles!!! Even with what the Blues have going rivalry wise with the Preds, Stars and Jets now it's nowhere near as gritty or entertaining or intense as what the old Blues/Wings or even Blues/Hawks used to be.
To me Blues/Hawks is only rivaled by Sharks/Kings as the best rivalry in the West.
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Speaking of the Wings, Bruins in Detroit tonight.
In the late 90's for 4 or 5 years in a row, we went to see the Wings when they came to Boston. Great games.
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I was flipping channels the other day and found a documentary called "The Russian Five" (or something like that). The part I saw talked about the Kris Draper game in 96 and then the payback game the following season. I DVR'd it because I was leaving the house and am looking forward to watching it (googling, it looks like it's not exactly new, but nevertheless...). Those were good times, even though, back then, I HATED those Wings teams.
I'm of course biased, but that really is a great documentary. The stories behind how the Wings got Fedorov and Vladimir Konstantinov out of Russia and into the US are particularly interesting. Definitely some late Cold War type of spy games and such.
I think I caught it and started the DVR after that part, so I'll have to try and find it elsewhere because that would be rather fascinating to see/hear.
To me Blues/Hawks is only rivaled by Sharks/Kings as the best rivalry in the West.
I'd put the Kings/Ducks rivalry ahead of Kings/Sharks (although they're close).
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Man, I miss the Wings being in the Norris/Central Division. Those rivalries were fun.
For you :lol So close yet so far away SO many times thanks to that freaking Russian injected F'n team of yours :lol
But seriously.....those were battles!!! Even with what the Blues have going rivalry wise with the Preds, Stars and Jets now it's nowhere near as gritty or entertaining or intense as what the old Blues/Wings or even Blues/Hawks used to be.
Well, the Blues did come back from 3-1 to beat the Red Wings in the first round in '91, but getting knocked out of the playoffs by them three seasons in a row ('96-'98) stuck in my craw and made me hate them for life. This past June certainly washed up most of the agony of past defeats, but those Blues teams in the latter half of the 90's were really good, yet always just a notch below Detroit, Colorado and Dallas.
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Well Fabbri got 2 power play goals on feeds from his juniors teammate Tyler Bertuzzi and the Wings win 4-2. I’ll take it!
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Well Fabbri got 2 power play goals on feeds from his juniors teammate Tyler Bertuzzi and the Wings win 4-2. I’ll take it!
I told you he can score. Consistency is his enemy. Having a former teammate is a plus for his translation.
I’m happy for the guy. He’s been through a lot and has put a lot of work in to get back.
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On a human level, I am happy to see Fabbri do well so quickly and hope he keeps it up.
On a Blues fan level, f the Red Wings. :lol :lol
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On a human level, I am happy to see Fabbri do well so quickly and hope he keeps it up.
On a Blues fan level, f the Red Wings. :lol :lol
On a Leafs fan level, F the Bruins. Good on Fabri!
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I honestly hope the latest rambling nonsense to spew from Don Cherry's mouth last night is the final nail in the coffin of his career. He should have been fired from HNIC years ago.
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I honestly hope the latest rambling nonsense to spew from Don Cherry's mouth last night is the final nail in the coffin of his career. He should have been fired from HNIC years ago.
It was awful.... "diabetes medicine". What in the actual fuq? And it's sad that kids die... but it'd be nice to have a little context other than 'here's a pic of these two kids who were hockey players, and they died'. He's been losing his marbles for sometime, and has just become the hockey version of Dana Carvey's Grumpy Old Man. :getoffmylawn:
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On a human level, I am happy to see Fabbri do well so quickly and hope he keeps it up.
On a Blues fan level, f the Red Wings. :lol :lol
On a Leafs fan level, F the Bruins. Good on Fabri!
Despite the finals last season, I don't really hate the Bruins, although I'd be singing a different tune if the Blues had lost the series. I pretty much developed a strong hate for every team that knocked the Blues out of the playoffs at the time, which means I've hated most of the teams from the Western Conference at one point or another. :lol :lol :lol
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I hate you all. :lol
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Ughhhh. My landlord told me that they got to replace an old internet modem which means we have no internet for 1-2 days and I find myself contemplating wanting to go Oilers vs Ducks today at the Honda Center. Tickets are going for $40.00 for the worst nosebleed seats. On the one hand, I really don't want to pay for a Ducks game unless I know for certain that they will be obliterated and the Oilers, so far, could be the team that can do that. On the other hand, I don't really have anything else to do for the evening (no playing video games, no watching Twitch streams without taking up too much data from my personal hotspot). I wonder what is it like to see a hockey game of two teams you don't have a huge horse in?
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$40 to go see Connor McDavid in person. Yeah, I'd do it.
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Ducks are definitely getting obliterated tonight
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Ughhhh. My landlord told me that they got to replace an old internet modem which means we have no internet for 1-2 days and I find myself contemplating wanting to go Oilers vs Ducks today at the Honda Center. Tickets are going for $40.00 for the worst nosebleed seats. On the one hand, I really don't want to pay for a Ducks game unless I know for certain that they will be obliterated and the Oilers, so far, could be the team that can do that. On the other hand, I don't really have anything else to do for the evening (no playing video games, no watching Twitch streams without taking up too much data from my personal hotspot). I wonder what is it like to see a hockey game of two teams you don't have a huge horse in?
Did that a few times when I lived out in Colorado. Saw an Avs-Oilers game and an Avs-Wild game during my time there. Also took in a Thrashers-Preds game when my brother lived in Atlanta. It was fun to watch from a pure enjoyment of the sport perspective. It was interesting to see the strategies employed, team cohesion, and so on.
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I honestly hope the latest rambling nonsense to spew from Don Cherry's mouth last night is the final nail in the coffin of his career. He should have been fired from HNIC years ago.
You got your wish. Coaches Corner was at the end of it's useful life, but deserved a better end than this. His comments may have been in bad taste, and it's the whole "you people" that gets everyones' panties in a bunch. He didn't deserve to be fired over this.
Social Media Justice Warriors strike again.
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Ughhhh. My landlord told me that they got to replace an old internet modem which means we have no internet for 1-2 days and I find myself contemplating wanting to go Oilers vs Ducks today at the Honda Center. Tickets are going for $40.00 for the worst nosebleed seats. On the one hand, I really don't want to pay for a Ducks game unless I know for certain that they will be obliterated and the Oilers, so far, could be the team that can do that. On the other hand, I don't really have anything else to do for the evening (no playing video games, no watching Twitch streams without taking up too much data from my personal hotspot). I wonder what is it like to see a hockey game of two teams you don't have a huge horse in?
I'm obviously responding too late for yesterday, but I have a couple points.
First, don't ever buy tickets for a game if you're going to regret doing so unless the game turns out a particular way. I dropped somewhere in the neighborhood of $1,000 for a ticket to game 4 of the 2012 Stanley Cup final. Kings didn't finish the sweep, but I don't regret it at all.
Second, $40 for nosebleeds at the Pond isn't too bad -- especially with a marquee opponent like the Oilers/McDavid.
Third, with respect to seeing games with teams that you don't necessarily have a rooting interest in (although any good Kings fan always has a rooting interest in a Ducks game), I love doing it! When I travel on business, I always look to see if there are games going on locally (NHL, MLB or NFL and also local minor league stuff). I'm going to be in NYC at the end of January and have my eyes on an Islanders game.
It was fun to watch from a pure enjoyment of the sport perspective.
Exactly! And you don't have to stress about whether your team wins or loses.
I honestly hope the latest rambling nonsense to spew from Don Cherry's mouth last night is the final nail in the coffin of his career. He should have been fired from HNIC years ago.
You got your wish. Coaches Corner was at the end of it's useful life, but deserved a better end than this. His comments may have been in bad taste, and it's the whole "you people" that gets everyones' panties in a bunch. He didn't deserve to be fired over this.
Social Media Justice Warriors strike again.
Ugh.... I hate crap like that.
I posted last week about the "Russian Five" documentary, and I finished watching it over the weekend. They had footage of some blowhard explaining that the reason why the Wings didn't win it all in 1996 was because they had "too many Russians" on the roster. They then cut to Sergei Federov saying/half-laughing, "Yeah...it was the Russians' fault...again." LOL! It also reminded me of someone (might have been Don Cherry) who described Tomas Sandstrom as a "dirty Swede."
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I honestly hope the latest rambling nonsense to spew from Don Cherry's mouth last night is the final nail in the coffin of his career. He should have been fired from HNIC years ago.
You got your wish. Coaches Corner was at the end of it's useful life, but deserved a better end than this. His comments may have been in bad taste, and it's the whole "you people" that gets everyones' panties in a bunch. He didn't deserve to be fired over this.
Social Media Justice Warriors strike again.
It's not like this was Cherry's first offense. He's repeatedly shown himself to be xenophobic and racist. The networks are partially to blame for continuing to renew his contracts. Rogers should have just taken the easy way out when they bought the exclusive rights to NHL broadcasts in canada, and fired him then.
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I honestly hope the latest rambling nonsense to spew from Don Cherry's mouth last night is the final nail in the coffin of his career. He should have been fired from HNIC years ago.
You got your wish. Coaches Corner was at the end of it's useful life, but deserved a better end than this. His comments may have been in bad taste, and it's the whole "you people" that gets everyones' panties in a bunch. He didn't deserve to be fired over this.
Social Media Justice Warriors strike again.
It's not like this was Cherry's first offense. He's repeatedly shown himself to be xenophobic and racist. The networks are partially to blame for continuing to renew his contracts. Rogers should have just taken the easy way out when they bought the exclusive rights to NHL broadcasts in canada, and fired him then.
Lets not forget misogynistic as well.
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Lets not forget misogynistic as well.
Yup, can't forget that.
Here's a good summary article of some of Cherry's work
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/sports/don-cherry-s-history-of-controversial-comments-1.4680505 (https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/sports/don-cherry-s-history-of-controversial-comments-1.4680505)
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I don't really want to get into a debate, but it's quite a feat of mental gymnastics to pull a few - FEW - random comments over 40 years of being on air weekly, and make the leap to misogyny, xenophobia, or racism. He's an opinionated old man who has conservative views and speaks his mind. Some comments may cross a line (barely), but he didn't deserve to be fired over this.
But to retort ... https://www.facebook.com/newstalk1010/videos/2578269588954889/?t=0
As I said, I think CC has come to the end of it's useful life - I don't think Cherry's insights have evolved with the game, and he routinely goes on about the same stuff (eg, 'never put your stick out to block a shot; it always throws the goalie off). I'll get over not having CC in the 1st intermission, but stick by my stance that Cherry deserved better than a social media lynch mob - who zoned in on the "you people" comment, rather than what he was really trying to convey, which was the support of veterans and the Legion in general.
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Chad, I agree with you. I am not that familiar with Don Cherry, but after looking at the link SchecterShredder posted, if those are the worst comments he has made over 40 years, then that ain't much. People are really bothered about him joking that women get hit by pucks because they are too busy yapping in the stands?? Good grief.
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My misogyny comment is referencing him stating that women journalist "don't belong in NHL locker rooms".
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What a comeback by Florida!
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What a comeback by Florida!
So much to complain about. I don't even know where to start.
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So pissed I'm going to bed.
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Be glad that happened in November and not in May. Shit like that happens sometimes.
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Be glad that happened in November and not in May. Shit like that happens sometimes.
The Leafs have blown a 4-1 3rd period lead twice this year already.
Suck it up, buttercup's. Couldn't have happened to a better team! :P
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Rough night for the Blues as well. They blew a 1-goal lead in the 3rd period and ended up losing in the shootout and only got 1 point. :P
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Rough night for the Blues as well. They blew a 1-goal lead in the 3rd period and ended up losing in the shootout and only got 1 point. :P
Arizona's goalie outright stole that game. 16-4 shot advantage in the second period alone....multiple 'big' saves. You could see it before it happened that the Blues were going to lose that game. It's one of those that they outplayed them for so much of the game yet it was still close that it had that 'feeling'. which is alright by me being that we've won several games this year where the other team has 'outplayed' us but we still found a way to win it.
I'll take being 2pts out of the best record in the league right now. 12-3-4 doesn't look too bad to me.
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Darcy Kuemper is probably the most under-rated goalie in the league. Arizona is on a nice path - which worries the hell out of me in 5 years, cuz I'm starting to be fully convinced that Matthews will go the route Tavares did, and sign his 3rd contract with his home-town.
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Darcy Kuemper is probably the most under-rated goalie in the league.
since January of last year he is tops in most if not all goalie numbers. He flat out won the game last night against the Blues single handedly. I agree with your assessment of Arizona. they aren't far off from being a dominant force.
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This is going to be a very important stretch for the Leafs. Between now and the end of the month they play Boston, Pitt, Vegas, Arizona, Colorado, Detroit, then a home-and-home with Buffalo - 6 of which are on the road. They're barely ahead of Buffalo and Tampa in the standings - who have 3 and 5 games-in-hand respectively. The roster is a hot mess - D is a joke (only Detroit has given up more GA); backup goaltending is a train-wreck and they have 0 wins without Anderson in net; and their salary cap issues have them completely handcuffed to do anything about it. The way they are playing, they could very well go 2-6 (or worse) in this stretch - these are some tough teams that are all playing well (save Detroit).
Their offense is clicking at 5-on-5... they have the 2nd most GF in the league - talk about polarizing. If they could just keep the biscuit OUT of the basket, they'd be cake walking thru the division. Of their 7 regular time losses, 5 were by one goal. They've been horribly inconsistent - looking like a practice team at times, then dominating at others (23 shots in the 3rd period the other night against Chicago). Special teams are 23rd in combined PP/PK %s.
December 1 could very well be come-to-Jesus time for the team, and Babcock. This was exactly the start I predicted, and this is the stretch where they have to show that they can turn a corner and come out of it. Despite Matthews' stats, he's not shown himself (this year so far) to be the kind of player - like MacKinnon, or McDavid, or Sid - that can carry the team to victory. The East is gonna be a dogfight to the end... Boston, Mtl, TB, Buf, and Fla all have the capability of being playoff teams.
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I had no idea Toronto had so many issues. From a casual observer of the team they seem solid.
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I had no idea Toronto had so many issues. From a casual observer of the team they seem solid.
Solid as a turd.
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I had no idea Toronto had so many issues. From a casual observer of the team they seem solid.
Solid as a turd.
Not all turds are solid. #looseday :P
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I had no idea Toronto had so many issues. From a casual observer of the team they seem solid.
Solid as a turd.
Not all turds are solid. #looseday :P
Stadler follows hockey?
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Well, looks like McDavid is on fire again tonight.
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Well, looks like McDavid is on fire again tonight.
No shit. Loose or solid!
And look out Atlantic. Tampa 5-for-8 on the PP.
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I was watching On The Fly this morning, and it's amazing how many wrist shots flat out beat goalies last night.
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I love the HOF ceremony. I'm balling my eyes out and Lannie MacDonald is still talking :lol.
And for the record, I have always loved Guy Charbonneau.
And Hailey Wickenheiser knocked it out!!
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Babcock fired from the Leafs.
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/28124447/maple-leafs-fire-coach-mike-babcock-name-sheldon-keefe-replacement
Quite a bit shocking but seems like the team has tuned out. They do have a decent roster to be underachieving right now.
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I know they have been struggling, but that is really surprising to see. I've always thought Babcock was a damn good coach, but what do I know? :lol
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Dubas probably thinks he'll get Quenneville. ;D
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Not a surprise at all - it's been ALL the talk around here. The team is severely underperforming. I could rhyme off all the reasons why. A change had to be made before thy let th whole season slip away. The notion that "anything can happen" (ala the Blues last season) is a crock. The Blues absolutely caught lightning in a bottle, and that won't be a yearly repeating thing.
Now the players gotta step up.
I say their chances of making the playoffs are 50/50 at best.
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Very true, it is rare for a team to change coaches during the season and then win the Cup, but the season is so long that it can still be salvaged. The Leafs are only a couple points out of a playoff spot at the moment, so with any luck, the coaching change will light a fire under their asses, and then they will squeeze into the playoffs and upset the Bruins in the first round. :biggrin:
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The Bruins are their Broncos to the Patriots.
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The funny thing is that it is okay for fans to think and joke about it, but the team can't think that way or else they will never get over that mental hurdle, and to be fair, I doubt most teams think about that kind of stuff.
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Damn, if you had told me Babcock would be out of Toronto before Blashill was gone in Detroit, I would’ve laughed at you. Then again, I think this is a little bit of Babcock taking the fall for Dubas.
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Not really... this is about Shanny putting his chips in with Dubas. Once he was hired (and Lou fired), Babs was never gonna make it to the end of his contract. The way that Dubas has built the team isn't in sync with how he feels Babs coaches. Babs isn't taking the fall for Dubas... Dubas is now taking the full spotlight - it's his roster, it's his head coach, and it's his Assistant Coaches. Nobody to blame now but Dubas (and the players).
One thing that came up in all of the media analysis yesterday (it was insane!) is that the team is 30-28-10 (or something along those lines) for calendar 2019. So the problems go back all the way to the beginning of the year. Their 9-10-4 start this year just was a continuation of the slide they were on in 2H last season.
Starting the season, the bar for success was set at a 2-3 round playoff run. They've regressed so much that the new bar is just MAKING the playoffs. And once Shanny/Dubas reached that conclusion, the right thing to do was to let Babs go - he couldn't get out of his own way. So many head-scratching decisions... like why in b2b games, when game 2 is against a divisional opponent, 3 times he put Andersen in net for Game 1, Hutchinson in net for game 2! Points against Boston/Mtl are far more important than points against Columbus!
The stats are staggering:
26th in GA/game
13th in GF/game
25th in points % (which normalizes points against the number of games played)
mid-20s in both PK and PP
18/23 games they have given up the first goal; they've only held a lead start to finish TWICE
2 regular time wins in the last 16
Only 6 regular time wins - against Sens, CBJ, Wings, Wild, Sharks, Kings. All teams below them in the standings
After last night, Ottawa has more wins as the Leafs do, with 1 less game played. Let that sink in.
Pretty sure this was exactly the start I predicted - actually, it's worse. I figured they'd be a little over .500, not well below it.
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Those offensive stats are eye popping. That does not compute.
Chad, do you think JT and Matthews back channeled their coach?
They definitely seemed to have quit in him.
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No... JT definitely not, and Matthews is the one bright spot this season (statistically at least), so I don't think either of them submarined Babcock. I don't think anyone ever would tbh. Having seen the player interviews yesterday though, it's clear that Matthews is looking forward to not playing for Babcock anymore; Tavares was wearing it heavy, and clearly disappointed that the team's performance led to this.
I will say this, they played a very noticeably different style last night, and it paid off - 17 seconds from a shutout victory against a team that had themselves just come off of back-to-back shutout victories. So, they stopped the bleeding ... for the moment at least. We'll see what the game in Denver brings tomorrow night.
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I know Henrik Zetterberg tired of Babcock towards the end of his tenure in Detroit. I don't think the "Swedish Mafia" guys in Detroit liked Babcock a whole lot. Dylan Larkin didn't turn pro until after Babcock moved to Toronto. Johan Franzen did this for Gustav Nyquist after Babcock left:
https://www.instagram.com/p/6PWUb9w-Wb/?utm_source=ig_embed
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I think, by-and-large, more players have disliked playing for Babcock than have enjoyed it over the years. Still, he produces. 700 career wins, 2 Olympic Golds, 1 Cup. Hard to argue with that. Babs was the right coach at the right time when he was brought in to Toronto, and did a great job turning the franchise around. There is no arguing that*. But now? Not so much. The young (and overpaid) crew weren't responding to his schemes. And considering the roster on the ice last night had 9 players that have played for (new coache) Keefe, this will likely be a good thing for the team. It was a necessary move/decision.
* - Back in '14, it was between Buffalo and Toronto for where Babs was going. Look what each team has done since then - Leafs; 2 100-point seasons, 3 straight playoff appearances (taking Washington to 6 games, 5 of which were OT) Boston to 7 games twice before choking both series' away. Buffalo; zero playoff appearances; 3 different head coaches; Top 10 draft pick every year since - including #1 in 2018.
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The leafs have choked against Boston a lot earlier then Babcock's tenure. :neverusethis:
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The leafs have choked against Boston a lot earlier then Babcock's tenure. :neverusethis:
The only thing that makes me rage more than blowing a 4-1 Game 7 lead with 11 minutes to go is Kerry Fraser not giving Wayne Gretzky 5-and-a-game for drawing blood against Doug Gilmour in Game 6. Then Gretz getting the OT winner, and a hat-trick in Game 7. >:(
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Holy crap! I forgot about that!
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Wow, I had forgotten about that as well. I will admit I had some good hatred going for the Leafs around that time since they beat the Blues 6-0 in Game 7 to win that 2nd round series. :censored :censored
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Leaf Nation will NEVER forget that. The likelihood of a Leafs/Habs final in '93 was very high. Canada would have lost its shit. Who knows if there will ever be an all-Canada cup final again.
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Given how angry and bitter I would have been had the Blues lost that conference finals to the Sharks this past spring after that Game 3 OT BS (as angry as I sounded here, it would have been 10x worse had the Blues gone on to the lose the series), I hear ya. It sucks when your team gets totally screwed on a missed or bad officiating call in a pivotal playoff game.
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What a comeback by the Rangers!!!
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What a comeback by the Rangers!!!
That was something else for sure. 3rd comeback from 4-0 in the last two weeks - the Panthers having the other two. Crazy.
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Can't believe the B's came back as well down 4-2 with 5 minutes left.
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Can't believe the B's came back as well down 4-2 with 5 minutes left.
It's like there's no such thing as a shut-down defence anymore.
Leafs limped their way to victory last night. They completely dominated the 1st, then got their asses served up to them in the 2nd and 3rd. Once again, Andersen saved their bacon.
Few days off, and then it's Detroit and Buffalo back-to-back. They might just end this tough stretch at 5-4 after starting 0-4.
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Leafs won again last night? Man, some franchises have all the luck...:P
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Kev/Gary ... what the fuck was with Bortuzzo? That was brutal - looked like a clear intent to injure to me. Shocking that it was only 4 games, given his history. And Arvidsson is out 4-6 weeks now.
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Bruins new third sweater.
I like it!
https://weei.radio.com/blogs/matt-kalman/the-bruins-unveiled-their-new-third-sweater
(https://images.radio.com/weei/s3fs-public/styles/full_content_width__775px_max_/public/_BAB6859.JPG)
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Kev/Gary ... what the fuck was with Bortuzzo? That was brutal - looked like a clear intent to injure to me. Shocking that it was only 4 games, given his history. And Arvidsson is out 4-6 weeks now.
Very dirty hit. He's lucky he only got 4 games, and if he had gotten more, I would have been fine with it. No place in the league for that kind of crap. :tdwn :tdwn
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Not defending Bortuzzo, but the NHL has long allowed vicious cross checks to the back for far too long. Chris Pronger made a living out of two handing a guy's back. For all of the player safety yadayada, d men crosschecking forwards in front of the net is the one that needs to be legislated out of the game.
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The frst hit was bad enough. The second one was just ugly. One of the worst things I've seen in a while.
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Kev/Gary ... what the fuck was with Bortuzzo? That was brutal - looked like a clear intent to injure to me. Shocking that it was only 4 games, given his history. And Arvidsson is out 4-6 weeks now.
Very dirty hit. He's lucky he only got 4 games, and if he had gotten more, I would have been fine with it. No place in the league for that kind of crap. :tdwn :tdwn
Pretty much that. It’s BS and given his history with that type of thing he should have gotten more.
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Ok, so let me get this straight Department of Player Safety. Bortuzzo's actions warrant a 4-game suspension - a very deliberate cross-check into the cross-bar / net, then a viscous and unprovoked additional cross check on a prone and 100% defenceless and unsuspecting opponent. Plus, Bortuzzo has a history of this.
Kerfoot, gets 2 games for this hit (https://www.nhl.com/news/toronto-maple-leafs-forward-alexander-kerfoot-suspended-two-games/c-311760768)!?!? It was the comment in the explanation video that got my blood boiling - "... a forceful shove to the back of a player who is not positioned to adequately protect himself". First, the Avs player PUT HIMSELF IN THAT POSITION A SPLIT SECOND BEFORE THE HIT. If he stays upright, he would've gone chest first into the boards like 80% of any other similar hits. Second, what about your comment just 15 seconds earlier DPS? "while the hit was not delivered with exceptional force". Third, Kerfoot has no history - no fines; no suspensions. But this nets him 2 games? 1/2 of what Bortuzzo got; 2/3 of what spitting on a player gets ya.
I hope I don't sound like a homer here - I'm not... it's not like Kerfoot is a critical element to the Leafs lineup. But (like the NFL, and I've said this before vis-a-vis the NHL DPS), I'm tired of players putting themselves in vulnerable positions, and then the player making the contact - with no time to change their attack - gets the penalty/suspension. Was it a 2-minute penalty, absolutely. Maybe even a major. But suspendible? Nuh uh.
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I hope I don't sound like a homer here - I'm not... it's not like Kerfoot is a critical element to the Leafs lineup. But (like the NFL, and I've said this before vis-a-vis the NHL DPS), I'm tired of players putting themselves in vulnerable positions, and then the player making the contact - with no time to change their attack - gets the penalty/suspension. Was it a 2-minute penalty, absolutely. Maybe even a major. But suspendible? Nuh uh.
Major penalty is absolutely fine in these cases, but I agree a suspension is questionable here. Johnson was in a natural position to have his back against Kerfoot and make a play, which Kerfoot should've anticipated. Cross-checking someone in the numbers at that distance off the boards is always a dumb move.
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Bruins, 7 goals on 20 shots. Holy shit.
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Bruins, 7 goals on 20 shots. Holy shit.
It'd be funny if the Bruins scored more points than the Patriots. :lol
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Well it's 8 to 1 now. Lol
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Well it's 8 to 1 now. Lol
On 24 shots. :lol
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16-3-5.
Crazy.
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https://www.tsn.ca/calgary-flames-head-coach-bill-peters-will-not-coach-wednesday-vs-buffalo-sabres-1.1404264
And Bill Peters was already on the hot seat..
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This was all the news yesterday. Lots of talk of it being s tipping point for hockey - not just NHL, but minor and kids hockey - how old school coaching that sometimes includes abuse, mind games, and abuse of power, is gonna take a hard and fast fall.
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This was all the news yesterday. Lots of talk of it being s tipping point for hockey - not just NHL, but minor and kids hockey - how old school coaching that sometimes includes abuse, mind games, and abuse of power, is gonna take a hard and fast fall.
In other words, say goodbye to d-bag coaches the likes of Mike Keenan.
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This was all the news yesterday. Lots of talk of it being s tipping point for hockey - not just NHL, but minor and kids hockey - how old school coaching that sometimes includes abuse, mind games, and abuse of power, is gonna take a hard and fast fall.
In other words, say goodbye to d-bag coaches the likes of Mike Keenan.
Not exactly. Keenan is well known (hell, Bowman too) to have been a tough coach, but most would say he's not a douche of a human. I think we'll be saying goodbye to douchebag people / behaviour in the locker room.
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Speaking of Bowman, shouldn’t Stan be catching some heat on this?
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This was all the news yesterday. Lots of talk of it being s tipping point for hockey - not just NHL, but minor and kids hockey - how old school coaching that sometimes includes abuse, mind games, and abuse of power, is gonna take a hard and fast fall.
In other words, say goodbye to d-bag coaches the likes of Mike Keenan.
Not exactly. Keenan is well known (hell, Bowman too) to have been a tough coach, but most would say he's not a douche of a human. I think we'll be saying goodbye to douchebag people / behaviour in the locker room.
Is this the same Mike Keenan who reportedly benched Dale Hawerchuk because he knew his dying grandmother was coming to see him play one last time?
Sorry, but I cannot get on board with any defense of Keenan. He is the worst.
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This was all the news yesterday. Lots of talk of it being s tipping point for hockey - not just NHL, but minor and kids hockey - how old school coaching that sometimes includes abuse, mind games, and abuse of power, is gonna take a hard and fast fall.
In other words, say goodbye to d-bag coaches the likes of Mike Keenan.
Not exactly. Keenan is well known (hell, Bowman too) to have been a tough coach, but most would say he's not a douche of a human. I think we'll be saying goodbye to douchebag people / behaviour in the locker room.
If only that meant bye bye Marchand.
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Sorry, but I cannot get on board with any defense of Keenan. He is the worst.
He sure is.
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What the hell, Carey Price. Man oh man, are you off your game. Not that I mind, it's helping the Leafs' position in the Atlantic.
Hoping the Leafs can take both against a slumping Buffalo... but no team can slump forever.
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Jesus the B's are on a tear.
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And the Leafs can't get out of their own way.
Pasta and Marchand are unreal. The former could be the first guy to get 50 in 50 since the early 90s.
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The injury keeps hitting the Blues, yet their keep winning. The Blues took a 1-0 lead in Dallas last night in the 1st period, and then withstood an assault from the Stars for nearly two periods as Jake Allen stood on his head (so did Bishop on their side, quite frankly) and held them off. The Stars finally broke through with a little over 3 minutes left, tying the game...only to see the Blues score 18 seconds later to take the lead right back (and later added an empty netter to seal the win). So good. :tup :tup
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Kev. While I agree the Blues are looking good the description of an ‘assault’ by the Stars is pretty generous. Blues controlled that game for 56 minutes with Dallas’s goal being pretty fortunate.
The ‘next man up’ mentality is a testament to Berube and the leadership of the veterans. Beating the Lightning in the road and then Dallas on the road was impressive. Especially being both games were controlled by the Blues.
Jake Allen has found his footing as a back up and especially a road goalie. I don’t have his stats handy but they’re pretty solid.....especially ever since Berube took over.
Blues have a good system and team chemistry/atmosphere going right now undoubtedly fueled and bolstered by winning the Cup. I’m already greedy and want a repeat. I know it’s u likely but I have every expectation of a deep Cup run.
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Kev. While I agree the Blues are looking good the description of an ‘assault’ by the Stars is pretty generous. Blues controlled that game for 56 minutes with Dallas’s goal being pretty fortunate.
I know, but my spin helped me shape the narrative of my post a little better, hehe.
But yeah, the leadership on this team is stellar, starting with Berube, and then trickling down to Petro and O'Reilly. They keep losing guys, yet keep winning. Let's hope the latter continues, but not the former.
Jake Allen playing well again is huge, and considering he will probably end up starting 20-25 games, him rounding back into form could be the difference between winning the division and ending up as a wild card or lower seed. Not that the Blues necessarily need home ice to win the Cup again (see: last year's playoffs), but it's something you always want, of course.
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Alex Burrows in Canucks Ring Of Honor?? WUT?
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Alex Burrows in Canucks Ring Of Honor?? WUT?
This is the Canucks we're talking about.
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Still waiting for the Leafs to hit rock bottom. I still think there's another 2-3 weeks before they begin to trend up. If not, then they'll be 'sellers' come February. It's really stunning how much they've regressed, and lost any sound defensive play.
As the old saying goes, will beats skill... and they don't seem to have much in the way of will.
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Still waiting for the Leafs to hit rock bottom. I still think there's another 2-3 weeks before they begin to trend up. If not, then they'll be 'sellers' come February. It's really stunning how much they've regressed, and lost any sound defensive play.
As the old saying goes, will beats skill... and they don't seem to have much in the way of will.
I don't know what you're complaining about, I had a great time watching the Leafs game the other night. :D
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Still waiting for the Leafs to hit rock bottom. I still think there's another 2-3 weeks before they begin to trend up. If not, then they'll be 'sellers' come February. It's really stunning how much they've regressed, and lost any sound defensive play.
As the old saying goes, will beats skill... and they don't seem to have much in the way of will.
I don't know what you're complaining about, I had a great time watching the Leafs game the other night. :D
I'll bet! I turned it off with the EN goal, and then when I saw the final at 6-1, I was like WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUQ!?!?!? It was an awesome game for 56 minutes - Hart looked like a hall-of-famer. You guys got a stud there. Then the Leafs folded like a $4 pair of khakis.
Last night, just a freak random play that led to the game-winning SH goal by the Avs. I will say, if the Leafs offense doesn't get going, they better practice their 6-on-5 scheme's a little better. They've given up 6 EN goals on 12 pulled goalie scenarios - 2nd worst in the league, only ahead of Detroit.
And now a 4-game road trip. I think StL will be a closely fought game, but a loss. Edmonton will blow them out. Calgary or Vancouver will be their rock-bottom, and then they'll put a string of good games together before Christmas.
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Nice to see Joe Thornton is still the POS that he's always been. Cheap shot artist until the end. It drove me insane that NBC and the Hockey World had this huge hard on for him in last years playoffs....glorifying him as if he were this hockey God that 'deserved' to play for/win the Cup. He's a thug....shoot....he single handedly or should I say single elbowly stole a year of David Perron's career with a cheap shot to the head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBLehASO_2Q
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Nice to see Joe Thornton is still the POS that he's always been. Cheap shot artist until the end. It drove me insane that NBC and the Hockey World had this huge hard on for him in last years playoffs....glorifying him as if he were this hockey God that 'deserved' to play for/win the Cup. He's a thug....shoot....he single handedly or should I say single elbowly stole a year of David Perron's career with a cheap shot to the head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBLehASO_2Q
I could not agree more. Seeing his old ass getting knocked out of the playoffs last year and denied a chance to play for the Cup made the series win over the Sharks that much sweeter, which was already pretty damn sweet following the Game 3 OT debacle.
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Last night, just a freak random play that led to the game-winning SH goal by the Avs.
I saw that this morning. :lol
Oh, man.
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Because I am a fair guy, the thread title has been updated. :biggrin:
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Because I am a fair guy, the thread title has been updated. :biggrin:
To be fair, I don't think they clowned the Blues ... I think Bennington clowned himself. He had an off night, and Andersen had an on night.
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Because I am a fair guy, the thread title has been updated. :biggrin:
To be fair, I don't think they clowned the Blues ... I think Bennington clowned himself. He had an off night, and Andersen had an on night.
Perhaps not, but I had to change the thread title to that, after the one I had when the Blues won in Toronto, for the sake of fairness, and to add a little levity. :coolio
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Because I am a fair guy, the thread title has been updated. :biggrin:
To be fair, I don't think they clowned the Blues ... I think Bennington clowned himself. He had an off night, and Andersen had an on night.
Perhaps not, but I had to change the thread title to that, after the one I had when the Blues won in Toronto, for the sake of fairness, and to add a little levity. :coolio
Consider me levited. ;)
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Get a room you two. :lol
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Nice to see Joe Thornton is still the POS that he's always been. Cheap shot artist until the end. It drove me insane that NBC and the Hockey World had this huge hard on for him in last years playoffs....glorifying him as if he were this hockey God that 'deserved' to play for/win the Cup. He's a thug....shoot....he single handedly or should I say single elbowly stole a year of David Perron's career with a cheap shot to the head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBLehASO_2Q
I could not agree more. Seeing his old ass getting knocked out of the playoffs last year and denied a chance to play for the Cup made the series win over the Sharks that much sweeter, which was already pretty damn sweet following the Game 3 OT debacle.
To be fair, Mrazek certainly embellished that. But then again, Joe knows all about embellishment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VepHLTIMW2E
For a better angle:
(https://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/7-dallas-stars-dive-2-hockey-dive-gifs.gif)
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Nice to see Joe Thornton is still the POS that he's always been. Cheap shot artist until the end. It drove me insane that NBC and the Hockey World had this huge hard on for him in last years playoffs....glorifying him as if he were this hockey God that 'deserved' to play for/win the Cup. He's a thug....shoot....he single handedly or should I say single elbowly stole a year of David Perron's career with a cheap shot to the head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBLehASO_2Q
I could not agree more. Seeing his old ass getting knocked out of the playoffs last year and denied a chance to play for the Cup made the series win over the Sharks that much sweeter, which was already pretty damn sweet following the Game 3 OT debacle.
To be fair, Mrazek certainly embellished that. But then again, Joe knows all about embellishment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VepHLTIMW2E
For a better angle:
(https://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/7-dallas-stars-dive-2-hockey-dive-gifs.gif)
It's not about Mrazek embellishing it. It's the fact that Thornton jams at the puck after it's clearly covered for a solid two/three seconds.....and when the goalie skates over to chide or bark at him he cheap shots the dude. It wasn't a concussion inducing punch or anything.....he saves those for unsuspecting players when they're skating.....but it was just a cheap shot from a cheap player.
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Nice to see Joe Thornton is still the POS that he's always been. Cheap shot artist until the end. It drove me insane that NBC and the Hockey World had this huge hard on for him in last years playoffs....glorifying him as if he were this hockey God that 'deserved' to play for/win the Cup. He's a thug....shoot....he single handedly or should I say single elbowly stole a year of David Perron's career with a cheap shot to the head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBLehASO_2Q
I could not agree more. Seeing his old ass getting knocked out of the playoffs last year and denied a chance to play for the Cup made the series win over the Sharks that much sweeter, which was already pretty damn sweet following the Game 3 OT debacle.
To be fair, Mrazek certainly embellished that. But then again, Joe knows all about embellishment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VepHLTIMW2E
For a better angle:
(https://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/7-dallas-stars-dive-2-hockey-dive-gifs.gif)
It's not about Mrazek embellishing it. It's the fact that Thornton jams at the puck after it's clearly covered for a solid two/three seconds.....and when the goalie skates over to chide or bark at him he cheap shots the dude. It wasn't a concussion inducing punch or anything.....he saves those for unsuspecting players when they're skating.....but it was just a cheap shot from a cheap player.
Just so we're clear, I'm not endorsing Joe's behavior, because I think he's a diving, flopping, cheap-shotting assbag.
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Just so we're clear, I'm not endorsing Joe's behavior, because I think he's a diving, flopping, cheap-shotting assbag.
You and I both. Prior to last post season....I just kind of was indifferent to him. Knew he was a sleezy player but really didn't let it get to me too much. Then all the drooling and oogleing and ahhhhing that NBC threw at him during their playoff run put me over the edge pertaining to him. It was so over the top it should have been embarrassing to them. They put lipstick and an expensive dress and expensive high heels on that pig.
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Just so we're clear, I'm not endorsing Joe's behavior, because I think he's a diving, flopping, cheap-shotting assbag.
You and I both. Prior to last post season....I just kind of was indifferent to him. Knew he was a sleezy player but really didn't let it get to me too much. Then all the drooling and oogleing and ahhhhing that NBC threw at him during their playoff run put me over the edge pertaining to him. It was so over the top it should have been embarrassing to them. They put lipstick and an expensive dress and expensive high heels on that pig.
Yep. That's always been my complaint about NBC's hockey coverage. They have their narratives and they stick with them no matter what. I remember the Cup finals in 08 and 09, and they were absolutely falling all over themselves to anoint the Penguins as the next Stanley Cup dynasty. Like, they were mad at the Red Wings for getting in Sidney Crosby's way. And then, when Pittsburgh didn't pan out, they made the hard pivot to the Blackhawks, and Jonathan Toews. As a fan of the sport in general, it pisses me off that NBC tries to force these narratives down the viewers' throats.
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So coaches are getting fired left and right. Stars coach just got fired. Peter DeBoer got fired from the Sharks today. Meanwhile, they are holding a record of only one win under .500 for the year and can probably turn it around with a couple of good streaks here and there and they were like "off with the coach." Meanwhile, I look at the Kings record and I weep hard of the fact that they are 6 wins under .500 wishing they were only one win under .500 since that indicates hope that they can be a good team. The record they have now gives me no hope and it's probably a wash of a season which is a sucky feeling to have.
On a brighter side, they are playing the Ducks tomorrow at the Honda Center and I'm hoping for a good nosebleed center view seat at around less than $40.00 or so to scoop. Here's to wishful thinking.
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On a brighter side, they are playing the Ducks tomorrow at the Honda Center and I'm hoping for a good nosebleed center view seat at around less than $40.00 or so to scoop. Here's to wishful thinking.
Shoot, nosebleeds here are $120 to start.
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On a brighter side, they are playing the Ducks tomorrow at the Honda Center and I'm hoping for a good nosebleed center view seat at around less than $40.00 or so to scoop. Here's to wishful thinking.
Shoot, nosebleeds here are $120 to start.
That's because your team is doing great. The two teams between the Kings and the Ducks are nicely sucktastic which equals potential cheaper seats in the nosebleeds.
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Same. You see the Panthers' arena?? $40 could probably get you the first 5 rows! Even the Sabres couldn't fill the arena against the defending champs.
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We just bought out Christmas Bruins tickets and it would've been more than half the price to drive to Long Island.
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Tim, upper deck?
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Tim, upper deck?
Yeah! It's fucking ridiculous.
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Oh I know. I'm curious about the leg space with the new seats. Post about it here.
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Oh I know. I'm curious about the leg space with the new seats. Post about it here.
You'll have to wait about 3 1/2 months. :lol
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That's ok. I'm not going. Lol
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Our Christmas Celtics tix are two weeks earlier.
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Might do a playoff game again for the B's. Went to the second round with my bro and my nephew. Nothing better seeing my nephew engulfed in the game and his smile.
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This is his celebrating a goal. The smile was worth all the money I spent that day.
(https://i.postimg.cc/3JjJWSKt/20190504-212401.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9rMjnBw9)
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:metal :metal :metal
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Honestly. 3 Callahan boys. It was so personal for my brother and I. Hit us in the feels.
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Well, I opted not to go to today's Kings vs Ducks. There wasn't really any feasible seats I like for the price that's out there. However, I decided to do the next thing (and it may have been even better). Got me a ticket off Ticketmaster's resale site for Kings vs Blues at Staples Center on 12/23. $41.00 at Section 318, Row 8. Center view. It doesn't look too steep in price going against the champs at that rate so I think I did ok, even if there's a good chance that section would have a lower row for cheaper in the week before the game.
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Yet another blown 3rd period lead by the Leafs. 3 goals on the first 3 shots in just under 3 minutes to start the 3rd period. This is now the 8th game that they've at least been tied in the 3rd period, and outright lost in regulation. They have a serious problem playing a full 60 minutes. It could've been the same in Vancouver the other night (there were 3 breakaways in the 3rd period!) but Andersen was a stone wall. Not like these 3 goals were his fault - two perfect shots, and one deflection ... but man, the team has to stop with these mental lapses.
Nice to see Boston in a slum tho. :biggrin:
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Well, I opted not to go to today's Kings vs Ducks. There wasn't really any feasible seats I like for the price that's out there. However, I decided to do the next thing (and it may have been even better). Got me a ticket off Ticketmaster's resale site for Kings vs Blues at Staples Center on 12/23. $41.00 at Section 318, Row 8. Center view. It doesn't look too steep in price going against the champs at that rate so I think I did ok, even if there's a good chance that section would have a lower row for cheaper in the week before the game.
A guy I work with had an extra ticket for the game last night. I couldn't go because of another commitment, but I caught the last half of the third period. The last couple minutes were pretty intense, which isn't surprising because Kings v. Ducks always has a playoff feel -- especially in close games.
$41 for section 318 (dead center ice) is a GREAT price (even more so if that includes Ripoffmaster fees), and row 8 is really row 4 or 5 since section 318 starts further back than the surrounding sections. Should be a good game.
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My wife and I went with another couple to the Blues game last night vs. Vegas......for free. Sat in Club Seats, all you can eat/drink. The couple we went with...her brother works for PEPSI and couldn't use his tickets so he gave them to her. Twas a fun time.....and got to see a good game.
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What an awful turn for a promising young forward. :(
"Philadelphia Flyers forward Oskar Lindblom has been diagnosed with Ewing's sarcoma by leading specialists at the University of Pennsylvania. He will undergo further testing and evaluation next week and begin treatment immediately thereafter. He is not expected to return to play for the remainder of the season. The Flyers will do everything possible to support Oskar and assist him in securing the best care available. Out of respect for Oskar and his family, the team will have no further comment at this time and asks that Oskar be afforded a period of privacy so that he may focus his efforts on his treatment and a return to full health."
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/ewings-sarcoma#1
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What an awful turn for a promising young forward. :(
"Philadelphia Flyers forward Oskar Lindblom has been diagnosed with Ewing's sarcoma by leading specialists at the University of Pennsylvania. He will undergo further testing and evaluation next week and begin treatment immediately thereafter. He is not expected to return to play for the remainder of the season. The Flyers will do everything possible to support Oskar and assist him in securing the best care available. Out of respect for Oskar and his family, the team will have no further comment at this time and asks that Oskar be afforded a period of privacy so that he may focus his efforts on his treatment and a return to full health."
https://www.webmd.com/cancer/ewings-sarcoma#1
Fortunately, it sounds like there's a high survival rate. The soft-tissue sarcoma that claimed my mother had something like a 2% survival rate. Hopefully he recovers fully for next season.
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My wife and I went with another couple to the Blues game last night vs. Vegas......for free. Sat in Club Seats, all you can eat/drink. The couple we went with...her brother works for PEPSI and couldn't use his tickets so he gave them to her. Twas a fun time.....and got to see a good game.
Very nice! I have been lucky enough to get some of those club seats a few times over the years and it is always a blast. :tup :tup
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That's awful news about Lindblom.
Did the news about the 17-year old kid on the Niagara Icedogs make it to the US? Looks like he'll have a full recovery, but it could've been real bad - like, Richard Zednick/Clint Malarchuk bad - though it was an artery in this kids leg. Apparently his thigh muscle is completely shredded. Shame... it was the kid's draft year.
(https://hockeytroll.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/warning-scary-situation-game-cancelled-in-the-ohl-after-niagara-icedogs-goalie-tucker-tynan-gets-cut-by-skate-our-prayers-are-with-him-highlights-recap-postgame.jpg)
One of those legitimate life/death situations. The medical staff are literal heroes.
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:omg: Gonna look that one up Chad.
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Awesome comeback by the Blues tonight. The fact that it came against Satan's spawn (see: the Blackhawks) made it that much sweeter. :coolio :hat
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And the Leafs held a 3rd period lead! If only Boston lost, it would've been a perfect NHL Saturday! ;D
With Hall being a healthy scratch, it's only a matter of days/hours before he's dealt. Rumour that Arizona is the front-runner, but Colorado and St. Louis have also thrown offers to the Devils.
Also... https://www.nhl.com/news/panthers-help-navy-lieutenant-surprise-family/c-312613540. Got a little something in my eyes it seems.
Eichel is an absolute beast - 16 game point streak! He's gonna drag Buffalo in to the playoffs. The Atlantic is gonna be a dog-fight right to the end, especially with Tampa under-performing, and Toronto/Montreal/Florida all within one point of each other. Toronto needs to go on a bit of a run. Taking 6 out of 8 points on a 4-game road stint is a good start - especially when it could've/should've been 7 or 8 if not for the 3 minute lapse against the Flames. Tuesday's game against the Sabres should be a beauty!
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Arizona has acquired Taylor Hall (for conditional picks and 3 prospects).
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Dammit! I just read that ONE minute ago. :lol
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Arizona has acquired Taylor Hall (for conditional picks and 3 prospects).
Seems like a pretty cheap rental......depending on the prospects.
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Arizona has acquired Taylor Hall (for conditional picks and 3 prospects).
Seems like a pretty cheap rental......depending on the prospects.
Well, Hall has been rather mediocre this year (he's less than a ppg at the moment). 5 players for 1 (yes, ex Hart Trophy winner still) is pretty steep, imo. Coyotes are certainly betting that he returns to form. Crazy stat on the sports talk show regarding Hall.... 10 year career, and Tocchet will be his 9th coach!
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Arizona has acquired Taylor Hall (for conditional picks and 3 prospects).
Seems like a pretty cheap rental......depending on the prospects.
Well, Hall has been rather mediocre this year (he's less than a ppg at the moment). 5 players for 1 (yes, ex Hart Trophy winner still) is pretty steep, imo. Coyotes are certainly betting that he returns to form. Crazy stat on the sports talk show regarding Hall.... 10 year career, and Tocchet will be his 9th coach!
Wow. I wasn’t aware of that coaching stat. Pretty crazy. I suppose when you look at it as a 5 for 1 like that considering his ‘decline’.....it may be a tad steep.
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….and Kevin Weekes said he had info that Edmonton was in on him...WTF Chiarelli :lol?
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….and Kevin Weekes said he had info that Edmonton was in on him...WTF Chiarelli :lol?
Chia is long gone from Edmonton. Holland's at the helm.
Hall had a new coach almost every season here in Edmonton. It was a rotating gong show.
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No, I know that, but wasn't it Chiarelli that dealt him in the first place?
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No, I know that, but wasn't it Chiarelli that dealt him in the first place?
Yeah, it was his first fleecing in Edmonton. Sadly, there were plenty more to come.
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No, I know that, but wasn't it Chiarelli that dealt him in the first place?
Yeah, it was his first fleecing in Edmonton. Sadly, there were plenty more to come.
When the Hall trade rumours including Edmonton started heating up a few weeks back, the Overdrive guys (afternoon radio show on TSN Radio) joked maybe it would be a Hall-for-Larsen 1-for-1 deal. :rollin :rollin
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No, I know that, but wasn't it Chiarelli that dealt him in the first place?
Yeah, it was his first fleecing in Edmonton. Sadly, there were plenty more to come.
When the Hall trade rumours including Edmonton started heating up a few weeks back, the Overdrive guys (afternoon radio show on TSN Radio) joked maybe it would be a Hall-for-Larsen 1-for-1 deal. :rollin :rollin
Well, unless Chia somehow got hired in Jersey, I don't think that would happen. Or if Mike Milbury were working in NJ, then it could have been Larsen for Hall, Hischier, Hughes, and Subban...and NJ would have retained 50% salary on all players.
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Bruins snatch defeat from the jaws of victory again. :censored
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They are in a big funk right now.
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They are in a big funk right now.
Getting taken to OT by the Kings... I'd say so.
Leafs nearly tossed out another 3rd period collapse (3 goals against ... highest in the league in 3rd period GA), but managed to NOT snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Bruins snatch defeat from the jaws of victory again. :censored
I didn't see the game live, but I caught a bit of it on the replay. The Kempe goal that made it 2-1 was sick!
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They are in a big funk right now.
(https://i.imgur.com/QVSu8cm.jpg)
:P
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Sooo...I'm gonna be in NYC for a work conference toward the end of January, and I'm staying an extra day so I can get some extra time in the city and am also going to go to the Feb. 1 Islanders game against Vancouver.
Anyone have any thoughts about the Barclays Center (sections to avoid or things like that) and/or places to eat nearby?
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Anyone have any thoughts about the Barclays Center (sections to avoid or things like that) and/or places to eat nearby?
Just avoid the interior and exterior and you'll have a great time.
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Anyone have any thoughts about the Barclays Center (sections to avoid or things like that) and/or places to eat nearby?
Just avoid the interior and exterior and you'll have a great time.
:lol :lol
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Anyone have any thoughts about the Barclays Center (sections to avoid or things like that) and/or places to eat nearby?
Just avoid the interior and exterior and you'll have a great time.
:lol :lol
Seriously though, I've never been, but there is a reason why it's pretty brand new and yet the Islanders are moving out, it's supposedly awful for hockey. Check some hockey or islanders forums on it, there are entire sections that you're supposed to stay away from.
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Seems if you're a car, you can get a great seat though.
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I've only been for concerts, wrestling, and basketball, so I'm not sure what the deal is for hockey. I always pregame at Threes though. It's a brewery about a 10 minute walk away that also serves some killer burgers. I can also recommend Someday Bar, which is pretty close and just recently opened.
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I've only been for concerts, wrestling, and basketball, so I'm not sure what the deal is for hockey. I always pregame at Threes though. It's a brewery about a 10 minute walk away that also serves some killer burgers. I can also recommend Someday Bar, which is pretty close and just recently opened.
You might get there for a hockey game soon. Devils will need a new place to play when they get demoted to the AHL.
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Seriously though, I've never been, but there is a reason why it's pretty brand new and yet the Islanders are moving out, it's supposedly awful for hockey. Check some hockey or islanders forums on it, there are entire sections that you're supposed to stay away from.
Hmmm...didn't know they were moving. I'll check out some alternate sources and already found this article: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2013/09/there-are-some-bad-seats-for-hockey-at-barclays.html
I've only been for concerts, wrestling, and basketball, so I'm not sure what the deal is for hockey. I always pregame at Threes though. It's a brewery about a 10 minute walk away that also serves some killer burgers. I can also recommend Someday Bar, which is pretty close and just recently opened.
Now you're speaking my language. Thanks!
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Apparently there's some seats in Barclay's with completely obstructed views. The response from the management group was "you can just watch the game on your phone if your view is obstructed".
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All right, today is going to be a good day. Manage to get two hours off of work due to holidays and then going to go to one of those revolving sushi bars and then off to Staples Center for Kings vs Blues. I hope it's going to be a solid game and that the Kings play solid.
The record when I see Kings game in person at Staples is sadly 3-4. The last time I saw them win a game in person was against the Canucks in 2010. Game 3 of the first round. Was sadly the last game they won in that series. Then again, I didn't go to a home game in like 8 years (due to various reasons) and manage to get in a VIP suite for the last game of the regular season in 2018 (against the Stars) due to the bank that my office works with had spare tickets.
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Jeremy Roenick Suspended (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/nbc-sports-suspends-jeremy-roenick-indefinitely-for-inappropriate-comments-about-coworkers/ar-BBYhBCp?ocid=spartanntp)
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At the Kings game in Staples. Now getting clobbered was certainly something I may anticipate. Playing like pants and letting four in the first was not what I was hoping. At least I have a great view.
All right. A PPG scored early on the power play. There’s a small silver lining.
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Jeremy Roenick Suspended (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/nbc-sports-suspends-jeremy-roenick-indefinitely-for-inappropriate-comments-about-coworkers/ar-BBYhBCp?ocid=spartanntp)
Ah that's a shame. I always thought Roenick was a douchewaffle.
That Leafs game yesterday :omg:. I just wish I could've watched it - I had 2 work calls yesterday in an otherwise very slow day, and they coincided with the 1st and 3rd period :angry: Came out hot, and up 3-0 in the first 10 minutes, then give up the next 5 straight thru brutal give-aways (this is the team's new achilles heel), then Mitch Marner took over with 4 points (2G, 2A) in the third. Keefe has more wins than Babcock did. The last time they dropped 8 goals was - get this - Dec 19th in the very first 'Next Gen*' game against .... CAROLINA!
So far, everything (other than Babs getting the axe) is coming out just as I predicted - slow start, things getting worse before they get better, then gel'g sometime around early/mid December.
* - celebrate the youth in the community and encourage the next generation of fans to reach their hockey dreams. The team hosts thousands of young fans at the game, including groups from MLSE LaunchPad, The Hospital for Sick Children (SickKids), NHL & NHLPA Future Goals Program, Scotiabank sponsored minor hockey teams, community partners and contest winners. The team encourages all fans attending the game to bring a youth or new fan with them.
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Did any of you read or hear what Roenick said? We live in a strange world these days.
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Did any of you read or hear what Roenick said? We live in a strange world these days.
Yeah I thought it was a little tame. NBC also had that whole Matt Lauer issue though, so I'm sure that's made them hyper sensitive to that kind of talk. And honestly, if I talked openly about wanting to have a threesome with one of my coworkers I'd be out the door by lunch with a security escort and my personal belongings in a box.
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Did any of you read or hear what Roenick said? We live in a strange world these days.
Yeah I thought it was a little tame. NBC also had that whole Matt Lauer issue though, so I'm sure that's made them hyper sensitive to that kind of talk. And honestly, if I talked openly about wanting to have a threesome with one of my coworkers I'd be out the door by lunch with a security escort and my personal belongings in a box.
Yeah, I read it too. The 'they're both fucking hot' comment wasn't too much, but the threesome one was.
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Did any of you read or hear what Roenick said? We live in a strange world these days.
Yeah I thought it was a little tame. NBC also had that whole Matt Lauer issue though, so I'm sure that's made them hyper sensitive to that kind of talk. And honestly, if I talked openly about wanting to have a threesome with one of my coworkers I'd be out the door by lunch with a security escort and my personal belongings in a box.
We are at the point where a joke isn't a joke anymore. I live that world as a manager but it's spilling into society now. Scary to think that. Next you'll have to watch what you say on a messageboard.
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Yeah. Just post that Toto sucks and blows and you’ll have PETA all up in arms.
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I am no fan of Jeremy Roenick (he was a longtime Blackhawk, therefore he can piss off :P :lol), but that seems like a tame reason to suspend him. And after googling the name of the employee and seeing her pics, I can see why he said what he said. :hat
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Would the Blues have not won the Cup last year and still in search for their first Cup.....I would be betting bottom dollar this years team could do it. On another six game winning streak and over all just looking real good this season. A couple minor bumps in the road but all in all......I think they make another deep run this year, perhaps even get a shot at a repeat. I don’t see a team in the West outside of Colorado that I think can beat them in 7 game series.
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I am no fan of Jeremy Roenick (he was a longtime Blackhawk, therefore he can piss off :P :lol), but that seems like a tame reason to suspend him. And after googling the name of the employee and seeing her pics, I can see why he said what he said. :hat
It also was a podcast where things are a lot more loose with language. He also praised her after that as well on her work ethic. It was an obvious joke but in this day and age, even comedians have to watch what they say on the stage.
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My one Jeremy Roenick story is that at the outdoor game in Minnesota a few years back against the Blackhawks, during the alumni game, they had a little ice rink off to the side where kids were playing a what was essentially pond hockey. Jeremy Roenick, who was playing in the alumni game, came over during the game and started playing pond hockey with the kids. It was really cool, they played even after the alumni game ended. He and a few other former Blackhawks came and played with them.. not a single Minnesota North Star player came over and played. At their own home game.
I thought that was really cool of the Roenick.
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Would the Blues have not won the Cup last year and still in search for their first Cup.....I would be betting bottom dollar this years team could do it. On another six game winning streak and over all just looking real good this season. A couple minor bumps in the road but all in all......I think they make another deep run this year, perhaps even get a shot at a repeat. I don’t see a team in the West outside of Colorado that I think can beat them in 7 game series.
It is hard to imagine them losing 4 out of 7 to any team in the West right now, but funny things can happen in the playoffs, especially if momentum swings the other way. Heck, the Lightning were unreal last season, but as soon as they blew Game 1 of the playoffs, they could never get back on track and got swept. So much has to go right for a team to win the Cup, but the Blues obviously having the coaching and the talent to get it done. It will be great to get 91 and some of the other injured players back eventually, and it will be awesome to finally watch them compete in the playoffs without that "can they finally get a little luck on their side and win the Cup" feeling nagging away.
I am no fan of Jeremy Roenick (he was a longtime Blackhawk, therefore he can piss off :P :lol), but that seems like a tame reason to suspend him. And after googling the name of the employee and seeing her pics, I can see why he said what he said. :hat
It also was a podcast where things are a lot more loose with language. He also praised her after that as well on her work ethic. It was an obvious joke but in this day and age, even comedians have to watch what they say on the stage.
Yep. And to just prove what a trash heap Twitter is once again, the NBC employee he made the joke about is getting all kinds of Roenick remarks in the comments section of her latest tweets. People are the worst.
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Like it's her fault. People are just assholes when there is no face to face repercussions.
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Nice post-game rant by Tortorella today. :lol :lol
Oh, and 8 in a row by the Blues now following today's whipping of the Jets. :corn
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Not that it matters since it's the All-star game, and a 3 on 3 format, but I'm a little surprised the Pacific division only has 1 d-man. I'm sure there's a better choice than having Couture or Silfverberg over another defenceman
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Not that it matters since it's the All-star game, and a 3 on 3 format, but I'm a little surprised the Pacific division only has 1 d-man. I'm sure there's a better choice than having Couture or Silfverberg over another defenceman
I assume they have to take someone from every team, but why wouldn't you take Burns over Couture or Doughty over Kopitar? Of course, I say that without having looked at anyone's stats and with only having just started paying attention to hockey this year.
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Yes, someone from every team.
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Perron not making the All-Star game is a head-scratcher, but with 40 players picked and 30 teams, there are only so many spots. And three Blues made it, so I am pleased.
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My apologies to my Pittsburgh area DTFers, but I'm watching the Pens/Sens game on the NHL Network, and I believe this is the Pens broadcast, and I have to say, this is the lamest uninspired broadcast team I've ever heard.
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No one plays any defense in the ASG anyway (including defencemen), so there's no point of taking a D-man if they aren't having an 'all-star' year (which neither Burns or Doughty are).
Tough break for Perron... but the biggest 'head-scratcher' (god help me for saying this) is Marchand. 3rd in the league in scoring, and even HE can't make it to the ASG - because there are no more spots. That's the rub of having to take a player from every team.
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And Marchand is not even part of the Last Man In voting. For the Bruins, it's Bergeron.
I believe Perron is part of the Last Man In voting though.
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Perron not making the All-Star game is a head-scratcher, but with 40 players picked and 30 teams, there are only so many spots. And three Blues made it, so I am pleased.
Tough break for Perron...
I'm not so sure he won't get that vote in spot. Judging from Twitter and Instagram there seems to be a pretty big viral campaign going on to get him voted in. I'm sure it's like that in each city where they have a guy that could make it.....but, the Cup win has the StL fan base fired up even more than they already were. I think he's got a shot at that vote in.
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I think the Hometown Guy usually finds a way to get in.
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Love the Dallas unis for the Winter Classic.
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Leave it to douchebag Perry to get booted with a major penalty less than 3 minutes into the game.
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Leave it to douchebag Perry to get booted with a major penalty less than 3 minutes into the game.
Yeah, that was brutal, and completely the right call by the refs. I'm sure DPS will have a hearing. I predict 2 games.
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Well, I under-predicted that one.... 5 games for Perry. Can't say I'm overly bothered by it - I think 2-4 games is the right number, but he's already got two suspensions under his belt, and it was clearly an intentional movement to elbow Ellis somehow/somewhere - Perry clearly has his elbow against his body 2-3 feet before hitting Ellis, and raises it on his own to make the hit.
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My votes for Last Man In
Bergeron
Terruvainan (sp?)
Laine
Paccioretty
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So I'm a big +/- guy. Looking at the Last Man In ballots, I cannot believe the +/- numbers for some of these guys...
Larkin -15
Stamkos -5
Hischier -7
Toews -8
Suter -7
Nugent-Hopkins -7
Doughty -10
Gaudreau -10
Hertl -fucking - 20??
WTF??
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Well, -15 for Larkin is pretty good for a team that is -73!!!
Anyone watch the Jr. finals yesterday? What a fantastically entertaining game.
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Oilers are right on track for blowing another game
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Morgan O'Reilly was just embarrassed by McDavid :D
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I literally just called my son out of his bedroom for that play. McDavid is a special player, and I try and watch as many Oilers games as possible. I love that kid.
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Matt Duchene just can't catch a break when picking a new team. Laviolette fired after 5.5 years. He was a good coach, Nashville just isn't as good as they used to be
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Matt Duchene just can't catch a break when picking a new team. Laviolette fired after 5.5 years. He was a good coach, Nashville just isn't as good as they used to be
And it's a beautiful thing.
The Predators are mediocre and just fired their coach, while the Blues still have the Cup and the most points in the West. Good times. :coolio :hat
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Morgan O'Reilly was just embarrassed by McDavid :D
Yeah, that was a ridiculous move.
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Well, a busy weekend for the Devils to say the least. Beat the Caps and the Lightning on back to back nights (while playing their backup goaltender both nights), and fired their GM in between games.
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Well, a busy weekend for the Devils to say the least. Beat the Caps and the Lightning on back to back nights (while playing their backup goaltender both nights), and fired their GM in between games.
Here comes Brodeur. He’s been being groomed for that job for a few years now.
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Jersey's been on a bit of run since trading Hall. Not that it'll get them to the playoffs - I think that would be a little out of reach. Leafs mailed it in last night - boy did they look horrible.
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It's frustrating how little was said about Shero's firing, because absent specifics it seems like really random/dumb timing. Why let a guy orchestrate the trading of your franchise superstar and the firing of the head coach, only to give him the boot a month later. That's not to say that there aren't good reasons to fire him now (disagreement about who/how to sell at the trade deadline, disagreement about the head coaching search), but when all you offer is general platitudes about the team not getting it done and not winning enough, it just makes the timing seem off.
It has been nice to see the team rebound some. It took them a few games to find their footing under Alain Nasreddine, but in the 14 games since their 0-4-1 start under him they've gone 8-4-2 (good for a 105 point pace) including wins over some good teams (Boston, the Islanders, Washington, Tampa Bay).
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Those are 4 of the Top 6 teams in the league!
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https://twitter.com/wingingitmotown/status/1216501838775832581 (https://twitter.com/wingingitmotown/status/1216501838775832581)
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I'm not expecting the Blues to repeat as Champions.....I'll argue with anyone who wants to that the winning the Stanley Cup is the single hardest Championship to win out of any professional sport. But man....they are just in a zone. (9) wins in a row at home and tied with the Caps for most points in the league. Watching them night in and night out it's just tough for me to see a team out there right now that can beat them in a 7 game series.
There are a lot of factors that contribute to winning the Cup which is why I'm not expecting the repeat....but had they not won it last year I'd be all in on this team to win it this year. Anyway....it's been an incredibly fun 12 months to be a Blues fan
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I'm not expecting the Blues to repeat as Champions.....I'll argue with anyone who wants to that the winning the Stanley Cup is the single hardest Championship to win out of any professional sport. But man....they are just in a zone. (9) wins in a row at home and tied with the Caps for most points in the league. Watching them night in and night out it's just tough for me to see a team out there right now that can beat them in a 7 game series.
There are a lot of factors that contribute to winning the Cup which is why I'm not expecting the repeat....but had they not won it last year I'd be all in on this team to win it this year. Anyway....it's been an incredibly fun 12 months to be a Blues fan
Man, you aren't kidding. They have their hiccups here and there, but just keep rolling and winning and winning and winning. I almost expect them to win every game. And while I agree that it's hard to see them losing a 7-game series to anyone right now, anything can happen. Hell, we've seen great teams get swept in the playoffs (last year's Lightning, '95 Red Wings), so I will go into the playoffs with the usual mindset: hoping for the best, but expecting the worst. :lol
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I really don't understand the Vegas decision today. First year, Stanley Cup Finals, next year second round, and now a four game losing streak and they fire Gallant and replace him with... DeBoer?? Who was fired for his team underperforming. It literally makes no sense, I feel like something else happened...
I gotta laugh though. Mark Stone is in Ottawa today, first game back since the trade last year. He said in his interview today that he loved Ottawa, he just didn't want to be part of a rebuild. Now his coach just got fired and Vegas' window is closing in the next two years or so. I feel like Ottawa is going to have a better next 10 years than Las Vegas. Anyways, that may just be me being bitter, I really liked Stone and miss him the most.
Also, fun fact: Every player that was traded last year from Ottawa, because they didn't want to be part of a rebuild, has joined a team where the coach was fired this year (with the exception of Ryan Dzingel and Carolina).
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Yeah, that got a what the fuck out of me when I saw it. And last year's playoff loss was a Game 7 OT. Plus, they're currently only 3 points out of the Pacific lead?!?!?! Weird. Something else must be afoot. Interesting 'fun-fact' you mention. Hadn't realized that.
New Jersey came crashing back to reality last night - just glad it was against the Leafs. Other than a 8-9 minute stretch in the 3rd when the Leafs gave them a breath of life, that was a very one-sided game. Hard to believe it's Matthews 1st hattie since the very first game of his career. :omg:
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I'm not expecting the Blues to repeat as Champions.....I'll argue with anyone who wants to that the winning the Stanley Cup is the single hardest Championship to win out of any professional sport. But man....they are just in a zone. (9) wins in a row at home and tied with the Caps for most points in the league. Watching them night in and night out it's just tough for me to see a team out there right now that can beat them in a 7 game series.
There are a lot of factors that contribute to winning the Cup which is why I'm not expecting the repeat....but had they not won it last year I'd be all in on this team to win it this year. Anyway....it's been an incredibly fun 12 months to be a Blues fan
As a Red Wings fan, I'm trying to wipe the dust and cobwebs from my memory banks to remember that type of joy, along with the regular season excitement. Enjoy the ride while you can!
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I'm not expecting the Blues to repeat as Champions.....I'll argue with anyone who wants to that the winning the Stanley Cup is the single hardest Championship to win out of any professional sport. But man....they are just in a zone. (9) wins in a row at home and tied with the Caps for most points in the league. Watching them night in and night out it's just tough for me to see a team out there right now that can beat them in a 7 game series.
There are a lot of factors that contribute to winning the Cup which is why I'm not expecting the repeat....but had they not won it last year I'd be all in on this team to win it this year. Anyway....it's been an incredibly fun 12 months to be a Blues fan
As a Red Wings fan, I'm trying to wipe the dust and cobwebs from my memory banks to remember that type of joy, along with the regular season excitement. Enjoy the ride while you can!
It’s certainly exciting being on the ‘fun’ side for a bit. I’m fully aware of how fleeting success in the NHL can be. I’ll enjoy it while I can.
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Get ready for the Gallant to Detroit rumors to begin if they haven't already.
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Get ready for the Gallant to Detroit rumors to begin if they haven't already.
That was the first thing I saw in my FB feed after I heard of his firing.
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It’s certainly exciting being on the ‘fun’ side for a bit. I’m fully aware of how fleeting success in the NHL can be. I’ll enjoy it while I can.
Same here, although I don't know if I can take another 2-month playoff run. Last year about killed me :lol, and I will fully admit to being a stressed out crabby ass in last year's hockey thread on more than one occasion. Damn sports... :lol :lol
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Get ready for the Gallant to Detroit rumors to begin if they haven't already.
I don't understand why Blashill hasn't been fired yet. Isn't this like year 3 of the rebuild? Maybe they don't want to get better this season and the goal is to get #1 in the draft
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I will fully admit to being a stressed out crabby ass in last year's hockey thread on more than one occasion.
And I can fully admit to being able to verify that.
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I will fully admit to being a stressed out crabby ass in last year's hockey thread on more than one occasion.
And I can fully admit to being able to verify that.
There was another. lol
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I will fully admit to being a stressed out crabby ass in last year's hockey thread on more than one occasion.
And I can fully admit to being able to verify that.
There was another. lol
Can’t seem to remember who that was? Hmmm.....
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I will fully admit to being a stressed out crabby ass in last year's hockey thread on more than one occasion.
You don't say!
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This thread is full of comedians! :P
Blues lose in OT to the Flyers, but helluva comeback in the 3rd to tie it up and get it to OT. They were bound to lose a home game eventually.
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Get ready for the Gallant to Detroit rumors to begin if they haven't already.
I don't understand why Blashill hasn't been fired yet. Isn't this like year 3 of the rebuild? Maybe they don't want to get better this season and the goal is to get #1 in the draft
I also can't believe he's still the coach.
I really don't understand the Vegas decision today. First year, Stanley Cup Finals, next year second round, and now a four game losing streak and they fire Gallant and replace him with... DeBoer?? Who was fired for his team underperforming. It literally makes no sense, I feel like something else happened...
It doesn't make sense. And as you say...DeBoer?? He sucks.
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Yzerman has preached patience, and so far, I trust the Yzerplan. I'm sure Yzerman has reached out to Gallant to gauge his interest and will make the move when needed. I'm not a Blashill fan, but given the amount of talent this team has lost since he arrived, I'm not surprised they are in the spot they are in at this time. Since Blashill came aboard, the team has lost Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Franzen, Kronwall, Nyquist, Tatar, while at the same time giving ridiculous deals to guys like Abdelkader, Helm, Ericsson, Frans Nielsen and Mike Green. Fortunately, the Ericsson and Green deals come off the books after this season, but man, Holland basically threw a boat anchor at Yzerman when he jumped ship for Edmonton. I'm glad Yzerman doesn't have the loyalty to those guys like Holland did, because that loyalty has handcuffed this team since Lidstrom retired.
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How much more rope do you guys think Claude Julien has?
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IMO, it's Bergevin that should be worried (though it'll probably be Claude that gets the axe first). There's been a bunch of injuries, but ultimately, the talent on the team is caught between having to win now (with Price/Weber being their 2 biggest studs - 32 and 34 yrs old), and young talent that isn't quite the top of the A-list. When Drouin and Gallagher are your top 2 guys... well, that's hardly McDavid/Draisitl, Marchand/Pasta, Matthews/Marner.
Problem is that the organization is still stuck on the requirement of a francophone GM and coach. If they could get a Larry Robinson, would they? Until they come off of that requirement, I don't know who would fill in.
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Pretty sure Gallant speaks French. ;D
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I thought this was a cool thing to see. Metallica presenting Tuukka Rask with a replica of Lars' drum set to commemorate 500 games played and Lars had a congratulation speech at the end of the video on the second tweet I've linked.
https://loudwire.com/nhl-goalie-boston-bruins-metallica-drum-set-500-games/
https://twitter.com/NHLBruins/status/1217976204491444224
https://twitter.com/NHLBruins/status/1217960903838138368
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I sure hope Joe Thornton doesn't get traded, as I'd really like to see his career end on a bad Sharks team. He's so old now that he has to resort to cheap shots to get noticed. :tdwn :tdwn
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Received a great surprise tonight when my sister in law called me and said her company had (1) extra ticket to their All Star Game suite this Saturday.....and.....she was giving it to me for my birthday :metal
So, I get to attend my first All Star Game.
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Damn, bro....it just keeps going on and on!
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Damn, bro....it just keeps going on and on!
I will take all I can get while I can. :biggrin:
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Received a great surprise tonight when my sister in law called me and said her company had (1) extra ticket to their All Star Game suite this Saturday.....and.....she was giving it to me for my birthday :metal
So, I get to attend my first All Star Game.
Awesome. Have fun, man! :tup :tup
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That 3-3 match last night was fantastic! And McDavid losing!?!?! Wow. Not surprised at Weber winning the hardest shot, but the speed. Yowzers. :omg: Brave MF'rs that go in front of him to block a shot!
Did the US network air the McDavid injury documentary. Very fascinating stuff.
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Oh, and fuck, FUCK, FUUUUCK the puck tracker. That fuckin shit was abominable when it was red and blue in the early 90s, and thankfully died a quick death. Making it grey, and longer, and a shadow is even fucking worse. jingle.son just told me the league plans to introduce it in the playoffs. Are you fucking kidding me? The new technology in the boards made things a little off putting as well. That I think I can get used to. The puck tracker, no fucking way.
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Oh, and fuck, FUCK, FUUUUCK the puck tracker. That fuckin shit was abominable when it was red and blue in the early 90s, and thankfully died a quick death. Making it grey, and longer, and a shadow is even fucking worse. jingle.son just told me the league plans to introduce it in the playoffs. Are you fucking kidding me? The new technology in the boards made things a little off putting as well. That I think I can get used to. The puck tracker, no fucking way.
Yeah, let's do the test phase in the playoffs. :eek :lol :lol
On occasion, I forgot why Bettman gets booed every year when presenting the Cup, and then something like this happens and I remember.
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I lost count around the 8th or 9th F bomb from Green Day.
Not sure if the NHL would be happy with that.
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I lost count around the 8th or 9th F bomb from Green Day.
Not sure if the NHL would be happy with that.
I must have missed those, but I tuned them out after about 12 seconds. Cool at least to see a rock band used again for a change at these things, but I'm not a fan.
As for this All-Star game, these poor goalies don't have a prayer.
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Green Day is not really my thing, but I think they're a great band. It was nice that they were actually playing live as opposed to lip synching that you see in a lot of these types of performances.
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Are you guys really watching the festivities? It's lame. Why waste your time?
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I lost count around the 8th or 9th F bomb from Green Day.
Not sure if the NHL would be happy with that.
I must have missed those, but I tuned them out after about 12 seconds. Cool at least to see a rock band used again for a change at these things, but I'm not a fan.
As for this All-Star game, these poor goalies don't have a prayer.
Doubt they made it on air. He must have said “Make some F’n Noise” a half dozen times.
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They didn't make it on air. The sound went out a few times for a second or two each time. I turned to my son and said he's obviously using bad words.
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Are you guys really watching the festivities? It's lame. Why waste your time?
It's on, but I have it muted and tunes cranking while I waste time on a prog metal message board. :P
Doubt they made it on air. He must have said “Make some F’n Noise” a half dozen times.
I'll have to ask my dad. I know he is watching.
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:lol
Just telling Gary through a text I was there for both the skills and the game in 96 watching Bourque score the winner in OT in 1996.
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Ray Bourque :heart
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That two year contract with Green Day is definitely void after tonight :lol What do you expect from Green Day. I’m surprised they didn’t get political
I thought it was all in good fun. It wasn’t censored on the Canadian Broadcast
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Ray Bourque :heart
I loved Bourque and Cam Neeley growing up. Every NHL game I played on a gaming system in the 90’s I had to be Boston due to those two.
Nothing beats watching Ray Bourque in the sharp shooting drill blowing those styrofoam targets to pieces. Speaking of which.....the digital targets need to go. Being back the styrofoam targets that explode into hundred of pieces when hit.
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On occasion, I forgot why Bettman gets booed every year when presenting the Cup, and then something like this happens and I remember.
Every year, Ron McLean has a pretty long 1:1 interview with Bettman during the the ASG. I always find them pretty interesting and informative. Last night, jingle.daughter asks "is that the guy that always gets booed" :lol Yup, that's him sweetie. I got to thinking .... by-and-large, I believe Bettman has done more good for hockey than bad - one comment last night was the game has never been faster, more equal, more competitive, more exciting, younger. I agree with all that, BUT .... for many (myself included), he will always be the guy that cost the fans two half seasons, and one full season. So yeah, he'll ALWAYS get booed by the fans.
re: Green Day's f-bombs... dunno if the Cdn feed was truly live, or the audio engineer was out for a smoke break, but for the 30 seconds that I tuned in for it, we got a clear as day "raise your fuckin hands!"
Ray Bourque :heart
I loved Bourque and Cam Neeley growing up. Every NHL game I played on a gaming system in the 90’s I had to be Boston due to those two.
Nothing beats watching Ray Bourque in the sharp shooting drill blowing those styrofoam targets to pieces. Speaking of which.....the digital targets need to go. Being back the styrofoam targets that explode into hundred of pieces when hit.
I'm with you 100% on both of these statements Gary. On Friday, there was at least 1 pretty glaring glitch. Can't remember who, but he was about a foot off the target, and it 'crumbled' (or whatever the fuck that graphic was).
As for this All-Star game, these poor goalies don't have a prayer.
The goalies fared pretty good this year. No one lit up like Gibson last year... didn't he give up 7 goals on 9 or something like that?? Has anyone heard his name as an elite goalie since? Mind you, he does play for the Ducks. :lol
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Ray Bourque :heart
I loved Bourque and Cam Neeley growing up.
Ray Bourque had this was of knocking a guy into the second row AND stealing the puck simultaneously.
On occasion, I forgot why Bettman gets booed every year when presenting the Cup, and then something like this happens and I remember.
Every year, Ron McLean has a pretty long 1:1 interview with Bettman during the the ASG. I always find them pretty interesting and informative. Last night, jingle.daughter asks "is that the guy that always gets booed" :lol Yup, that's him sweetie. I got to thinking .... by-and-large, I believe Bettman has done more good for hockey than bad - one comment last night was the game has never been faster, more equal, more competitive, more exciting, younger. I agree with all that, BUT .... for many (myself included), he will always be the guy that cost the fans two half seasons, and one full season. So yeah, he'll ALWAYS get booed by the fans.
Maybe I don't know enough about the work stoppages, but I think the game is fantastic now. Was it about greed, or was it resetting the game economically, which is probably the same thing. :lol
I actually love the shift in contracts where players in the prime are getting paid as opposed to players past their prime.
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A rumor has been floating around up here that the new Seattle team will be the Kraken. No word yet if the arena will be called the 'Krak House', or if fans will be called 'Krak Heads.' Doesn't sound too appropriate, especially for a city drowning in opiods.
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Oy my God, that sounds ridiculous.
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Most of the proposed names don’t resonate with me. Sockeyes kinda does, Renegades is generic but kinda cool. I like Seattle Rainiers and Firebirds as well. But most are kinda boring. Then again, I wasn’t the biggest fan of Golden Knights at first, then it grew on me
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I don't follow hockey so haven't really followed this story locally. I don't even know what the proposed/suggested names are.
Will be interesting to see how well we take to the NHL up here. We aren't the most rabid sports fans. We love our Seahawks, but many people who consider themselves fans couldn't name a Seahawk who predates 2005. We go to Mariners games because the field is a nice venue for gathering for some brews on a summer afternoon/evening, not because their playoff drought is old enough to serve in the military. We lost the NBA over 10 years ago. Sounders fans are the most passionate of any MLS team. But soccer is still a bit of a niche sports demographic.
Edit... A couple days in and the debate is hot over the name, and it is still just a rumor. People seem to either love it or hate it. Either way they are passionate about how the feel.
Lots of people like Sockeyes (or Sockeye). It has a cool punch to it (as in sock you right in the eyes). But it is a freaking fish. And not even a cool or fierce one. It's a freaking salmon.
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Anyone have any thoughts about the Barclays Center (sections to avoid or things like that) and/or places to eat nearby?
Just avoid the interior and exterior and you'll have a great time.
:lol :lol
Seriously though, I've never been, but there is a reason why it's pretty brand new and yet the Islanders are moving out, it's supposedly awful for hockey. Check some hockey or islanders forums on it, there are entire sections that you're supposed to stay away from.
The game was this afternoon. I got a single seat about 20-25 rows up from the glass in the corner at the end where the Islanders shoot twice. It was row six of the section, but the row was right behind the glass above the entry from the concourse, so I had no one in front of me. AND, I had seat four, but no one was in seats 1-3 or seat 5, so all that was great.
I'm staying at a hotel only one train stop from the Barclay's center, and the subway exit spits you out right in front of the arena, so getting there was a snap. The arena was quite nice. It was significantly colder than I'm used to at Staples Center and the Pond (Honda Center) in Anaheim. The weirdest thing was that 75% of the seats at the other end of the ice were closed off, which reminded me of a minor league game or when the Kings used to host the Frozen Fury preseason games at the MGM Grand arena in Vegas.
It was a giveaway day, so I got a primarily orange "Hawaiian" shirt that I may never wear. The Islanders came back from a 1-3 deficit and tied it with about 25 seconds left in regulation -- only to lose about 25 seconds into OT. All in all, an excellent experience for a neutral fan, and I'd highly recommend it to anyone in the area. Just stay away from the end where the visitor shoots twice.
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We're going to see the Bruins play at the Nassau Coliseum later this month.
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Wait. The Islanders play a few games there still?
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Yeah, I think they split the season. Not sure if Long Islanders have splurged for a new arena. LudwigVan can speak to it much better.
Saw Metallica there in 1991.
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The Blues are in a bit of a funk there, eh?
Leafs squeezed out 2 points against Ottawa with a OT PPG from Marner. They don't ask how, just how many (points). I'll take the W, even though it was a little nerve-racking.
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Yep, rough week for the Blues post-All Star break, but it's a long season. I would rather hit a rough patch now than in April.
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Brutal road trip. Two back to back sets and two time zones after All Star week festivities just rough. Before the trip it was talked about they this would be the toughest road trip of the year. Playing (4) teams that are fighting for spots. Oh well. Not to a level of worry but it’d be nice to have a player who could bury the puck. Too many wasted chances.
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Stumbled upon this clip in today's battle of Alberta. We got ourselves a goalie fight. Naturally, it happens at a point where a team is losing badly.
https://twitter.com/BradyTrett/status/1223830194386919424
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Surprised to hear that was the first ever goalie fight between Cgy/Edm.
Yep, rough week for the Blues post-All Star break, but it's a long season. I would rather hit a rough patch now than in April.
Agreed. That's what I kept saying about the Leafs' funk to start the season.... and when they entered the break/bye-week at 1-3-3. Better to get a break when the team is in a funk, as opposed to being on a heater (like Florida... 8-2 with W6 streak) - then they come out and get blanked by MONTREAL! :omg:
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Saw this tonight during the Flyers game. Thought Nick would appreciate it.
(https://i.imgur.com/lnvtnkc.jpg)
:metal
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Jay Boumeester just collapsed on the Blues bench while playing at Anaheim. They’ve sent the players to the locker rooms and it’s just delayed right now? They showed a replay and you can see him on the bench just kind of lose consciousness and collapse. But no word as to what happened.
So scary.
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Yikes!
Just flicked on NHL Network. This looks fucking serious.
Game is postponed.
That is not good...
Apparently the St Louis' Dads are on this trip, and Jay's father is there..
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/struggling-blues-hope-to-get-extra-boost-from-having-their/article_36f230b9-f633-5aec-99ae-c023484538aa.html
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On another note, seems Barry Melrose is on..
(https://advantagenews.com/downloads/39109/download/a%20look%20back%20ives%201.jpg?cb=ea8cdd8f1c4f99e5e5e5f134f73347a7)
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I’m wondering if he had a heart attack or seizure? At least they’re reporting he was conscious when he left in the ambulance.
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I’m wondering if he had a heart attack or seizure? At least they’re reporting he was conscious when he left in the ambulance.
Oh that's good to hear. If that's the case, I'm surprised the game is postponed.
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Very scary, for sure. Hoping he is okay. Not sure what else to say.
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It’s confirmed that chest compressions and the defibrillator has to be used to kick start his system again.
Wow. These dudes are in amazing shape and this can still happen. Unreal.
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And it was the Father’s trip as well. Very sad
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Why would they postpone the game for this?
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Probably because from the sounds of it, one of the players had cardiac arrest on the bench and it shook the players to see their teammate and friend almost die on the bench? I don’t know, I don’t think I’d be in the mood to compete, but that’s just me.
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Yea I guess it could be a big distraction.
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And I think at that point too, the crowd isn’t into it anymore. It wouldn’t be a very fun game to watch, and this took place with just under 10 minutes or so to play in the first. That’s a lot of game left. It’s all for the best
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I remember when that happened to Jiri Fischer during a Red Wings/Predators game back in the 2005-06 season. He was out for about 6 minutes. They postponed that game as well. Scary stuff, man. Hope Bouwmeester's okay!
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That was freaky...Pietrangelo's reaction as he skated over to the bench and another guy on the bench frantically waving for the trainer/doctor. He's at a hospital right up the street from my office. Looks like the most recent news is "alert and undergoing tests after cardiac episode." Damn....
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Update I got at 12:37am this morning from the TSN app was "Bouwmeester had "cardiac episode" on the bench and was stabilized by the medical staff. He was awake and alert and moving his arms and legs as he was transported to hospital."
Haven't seen any news on it today though.
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Damn. Wish him the best.
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Bruce Boudreau out in Minnesota.
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Bruce Boudreau out in Minnesota.
Well, now's a good time than any other time to plug this video showing this guy's shortcomings coaching in the playoffs coaching in various teams. So many times his team lost when leading 3-2 in a playoff series. On another note, the guy that created this video also has a legacy of failure for teams like the Capitals, the Blues, Andy Reid, and the Washington Nationals. Teams had won a championship a few years after the guy created the video. He also did one from the Sharks and thankfully, the Sharks are far away from a playoff spot for now that, at least, we can still laugh at them for their shortcomings. Thank goodness for that.
Bruce Boudreau: A Legacy of Failure (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP_-7OxYzKw)
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Parise and Suter kill another coach.
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So i just saw the standings on TSN.... Detroit only has 23pts? How the hell is that possible lol? They must be on pace for a record
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The instant I saw the video of Kassian kicking the Tampa D, I said to jingle.daughter "that should be a 6-8 game suspension".
Nailed it.
Leafs have back-to-back against Ottawa and Buffalo. If they don't dominate I'm going to be pissed. If they don't get 2 regular-time wins, it will further my belief that they will not make the playoffs. The only sliver of hope that I still have is because Florida has shown that they are not performing much better. Bobs looks absolutely terrible, and is killing the future of UFA goalies. $10M for the shit he delivers to that team?!?!?
Detroit actually has 32 points. They are horrible - 99 goal differential, with the next worst team at -44.
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4 of Detroit’s 23 points came against the Bruins.
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4 of Detroit’s 23 points came against the Bruins.
And 6 against the Canadiens!
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Kassian is lucky he didn't get more games; that was a reckless and dangerous act.
Even though they are now in other conference and the rivalry is a thing of the past, I love seeing the Red Wings lose this much.
The Blues need to get it together. With the exception of one game, they have played like crap since the All-Star break.
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Kassian is lucky he didn't get more games; that was a reckless and dangerous act.
Considering there's been 2 VERY scary blade slicing events this year (Leafs Mikheyev on his wrist; Niagara Ice Dogs goalie had his leg sliced almost fatally), that was one of the dumbest things I've seen in years.
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Well. That was a good outdoor game between Kings and Avs. Interesting setting to host it at a football stadium at the Air Force Academy. Avs had really good pressure on their forecheck for most of the game and Kings weathered the storm and Toffoli found really good spots and scored the two goals (one of them at the last minute of the game) and the empty net for the hat trick to win it there.
This team is all over the place this season. Playing crap against good teams, playing crap against teams I feel we should win more on a consistent basis, but then you get this kind of game where they will play decent enough against a good team to actually win it squarely.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-hockey-stick-shortage-20200216-rto7rwa64rbm5nrzhi5ntweju4-story.html%3foutputType=amp
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-hockey-stick-shortage-20200216-rto7rwa64rbm5nrzhi5ntweju4-story.html%3foutputType=amp
I heard about that - the article I saw even suggested players / teams were even looking at retail stock in case it goes much longer. Oh, the humanity!!!
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I guess people will have to do their best not to break them for the time being. Shouldn't be too hard. Right?
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Brad Marchand is a dirtbag.
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I am pretty sure everyone who doesn't love in the New England enjoyed Marchand getting drilled like that after his initial cheap shot.
In other news, the Blues are in deep shit. They did a great job for a while in surviving the onslaught of injuries that hit them, but it's clear now that the team needs help. With Jay B. likely not playing again this year (or maybe ever), there is a hole on defense, and they are really missing Tarasenko right now.
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And yet, most would kill to gave him on their team.
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Marchand is to the NHL what Bill Laimbeer was to the NBA. A really good player who everyone hates unless he's on your team.
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I missed what everyone is talking about apparently. I only watched the 3rd period today, and didn't see this mentioned.
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At some level, I’m kinda hoping the Leafs miss the playoffs. With current course and spend, the Metro will have 5 in the playoffs, meaning they’d have to finish 3rd in the Atlantic to get in. And then get the honour of playing either the Bruins or Lightning - the 1-2 teams in the league atm. I honestly think it’d be better for them in the long run to miss, rather than a 4th straight opening round exit. It’ll be easier to make excuses if they were to lose to the #2 team in the league; there would be no excuses for missing the post season outright. The shame and embarrassment would hang with them all summer, and then fuel them for next year.
That’s my thought at least
And yeah .... Marchand getting nailed made up for the drubbing the Sabres put on the Leafs.
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Apparently I'm not paying attention but how in the hell does Blake Coleman fetch a 1st and a prospect?
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Apparently I'm not paying attention but how in the hell does Blake Coleman fetch a 1st and a prospect?
Dude is an *elite* penalty killer and scoring at a second line pace (has a shot at 30 goals this year), and he's under contract next year for less than $2 million
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OK, thank you.
Sounds like someone the Devils should be hanging onto then, no? I mean they're getting a late 1st rounder, but it seems Coleman is giving you late 1st Round production already.
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OK, thank you.
Sounds like someone the Devils should be hanging onto then, no? I mean they're getting a late 1st rounder, but it seems Coleman is giving you late 1st Round production already.
I think this is management thinking they won't really be competitive next year either. Pretty much expecting everone who isn't Hischier, Hughes, or Blackwood to be available in trade talks between now and the deadline.
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Well, those murmurs that Toffoli is going to get traded has come true. Got traded to the Canucks and we get one of their players. a second round pick, and a prospect and a conditional pick from the Canucks if they choose to resign Toffoli. It sucks losing Toffoli, but no point wasting his prime years with a team that's really in doubt if they can be a solid team to make to the playoffs and win playoff series again in the near future. I think we got a good return in the end.
At least, he's reunited with Tanner Pearson.
https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/1229574332483018757
https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/1229576403533869060
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Well, those murmurs that Toffoli is going to get traded has come true. Got traded to the Canucks and we get one of their players. a second round pick, and a prospect and a conditional pick from the Canucks if they choose to resign Toffoli. It sucks losing Toffoli, but no point wasting his prime years with a team that's really in doubt if they can be a solid team to make to the playoffs and win playoff series again in the near future. I think we got a good return in the end.
At least, he's reunited with Tanner Pearson.
https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/1229574332483018757
https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/1229576403533869060
So...I think we're now down to 7 players from the two Cup winning teams. 6 and 8 years have never felt like such a LONG time!
Kopitar
Brown
Carter
Lewis
Doughty
Martinez
Quick
I read one thing that seemed to suggest that the "prospect" is a good player. We'll see.
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Tyler Madden was huge for Northeastern in their Beanpot victory last week. I watched their epic game against BU.
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Fuck the Leafs, and fuck them hard. Goddamn they are pissing away their talent by relying on it to much, and just mentally not executing or putting in the effort. Pittsburgh made them look like a minor league team last night. Just embarrassing - especially coming of an even bigger embarrassment at the hands of the Sabres. They're quite adept at finding new and pathetic ways to lose games. Give up early goals ... done it. Against Dallas last week, all 3 goals against were in the first 90 seconds of a period. Blow a lead ... been there. Let a winnable game slip away... oh yeah, I think they've had 10ish games where they've been at least tied in the 3rd period, and failed to get the loser point. Special teams was the culprit last night .... Pitt was 3/3 on the PP, and Leafs 0/4 - including a minute+ that was 5-3 and they threw out 5 forwards - Matthews/Tavares/Marner/Nylander/Hyman... that's a $42M line, and they managed 1 shot on a 5-3! Then promptly gave up a goal after Pitt killed both penalties.
I'm feeling a Gary level rage post coming on in the next couple weeks. 21 games to go, and if they don't throw out a heater streak given some of their upcoming opponents (Canes, Panthers, then the 3 Cali teams), they're toast. While I don't particularly want to root against 'my' team, I truly believe missing the playoffs might be the best thing for the course of the next 4-5 years that they have their 'big-4' locked up for.
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I was watching that game last night Chad and I was thinking of you.
I have some thoughts too, but I need top collect them.
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So...I think we're now down to 7 players from the two Cup winning teams. 6 and 8 years have never felt like such a LONG time!
Kopitar
Brown
Carter
Lewis
Doughty
Martinez
Quick
I read one thing that seemed to suggest that the "prospect" is a good player. We'll see.
Well, cross off Martinez from that list as well. Got traded today to the Golden Knights for two 2nd round picks (one in 2020 and one in 2021). Never forget those moments he scored the series winner against the Blackhawks in a very nerve-wrecking series (I think people voted it the greatest NHL playoff series of the decade. I don't blame them) and of course, the cup-winning goal against the Rangers in 2014 in the longest home game that Kings ever had and them jazz hands celebration. Shoot. All of the guys that was part of that goal (Clifford, Toffoli, and Martinez) are all gone now. The rebuilding is now starting to be reality (well, it already is, but with these trades. It's now setting in).
I think Carter may be the next to go as well.
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So...I think we're now down to 7 players from the two Cup winning teams. 6 and 8 years have never felt like such a LONG time!
Kopitar
Brown
Carter
Lewis
Doughty
Martinez
Quick
I read one thing that seemed to suggest that the "prospect" is a good player. We'll see.
Well, cross off Martinez from that list as well. Got traded today to the Golden Knights for two 2nd round picks (one in 2020 and one in 2021). Never forget those moments he scored the series winner against the Blackhawks in a very nerve-wrecking series (I think people voted it the greatest NHL playoff series of the decade. I don't blame them) and of course, the cup-winning goal against the Rangers in 2014 in the longest home game that Kings ever had and them jazz hands celebration. Shoot. All of the guys that was part of that goal (Clifford, Toffoli, and Martinez) are all gone now. The rebuilding is now starting to be reality (well, it already is, but with these trades. It's now setting in).
I think Carter may be the next to go as well.
Yup....
The thing that pisses me off is that the Kings were crap for most of the 2000s. They returned to the playoffs in 2010 and 2011 (first round losses, but progress). They won the Cup in 2012, but only after eeking into the 8th seed (after losing 3 of the last 4 games but earning a point in each of those 3 losses). They were picked by many to repeat in 2013 and had a solid season (2nd in the Pacific and a loss to Chicago in a very competitive WCF). They were 3rd in the Pacific in 2013-14 and gave us that white knuckle ride playoff run to another Cup. And then it's been mostly crap since then (two first round playoff losses in 2016 and 2018).
And then I look at teams like the Penguins. They played for the Cup in 2008 and won in 2009 and then won it twice more in 2016 and 2017. And they've been to the playoffs every year since 2007, finished 1st in their division thrice and only twice finished worse than 2nd. I get that they've got Crosby and Malkin, but that sort of sustained success (the same sort of thing the Wings had for two decades) is something I'm so jealous of. The Kings are making the two Cups look like a fluke. The knee-jerk firing of Dean Lombari three years ago was, IMO, a big mistake.
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I'm feeling a Gary level rage post coming on in the next couple weeks.
DO IT....DO IT......DO IT......
:corn
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I'm feeling a Gary level rage post coming on in the next couple weeks.
DO IT....DO IT......DO IT......
:corn
Stay tuned... it might be coming out tonight. What pisses me off most about that game the other night, is that it was on the heels of a bad collapse against the FUCKING SABRES, where your coach called you all out publicly. Harshly. Embarrassingly.
And the team responds with a game just as pathetic, against the 3rd best team in the league. Honestly, the defensive effort on the 4th goal against looked like what you'd see in a pre-game warmup. And I'm not being hyperbolic.
The loss of Morgan Reilly has been huge. 55 goals against since he went out - worst in the league.
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The thing that pisses me off is that the Kings were crap for most of the 2000s. They returned to the playoffs in 2010 and 2011 (first round losses, but progress). They won the Cup in 2012, but only after eeking into the 8th seed (after losing 3 of the last 4 games but earning a point in each of those 3 losses). They were picked by many to repeat in 2013 and had a solid season (2nd in the Pacific and a loss to Chicago in a very competitive WCF). They were 3rd in the Pacific in 2013-14 and gave us that white knuckle ride playoff run to another Cup. And then it's been mostly crap since then (two first round playoff losses in 2016 and 2018).
And then I look at teams like the Penguins. They played for the Cup in 2008 and won in 2009 and then won it twice more in 2016 and 2017. And they've been to the playoffs every year since 2007, finished 1st in their division thrice and only twice finished worse than 2nd. I get that they've got Crosby and Malkin, but that sort of sustained success (the same sort of thing the Wings had for two decades) is something I'm so jealous of. The Kings are making the two Cups look like a fluke. The knee-jerk firing of Dean Lombari three years ago was, IMO, a big mistake.
That is an awful lot of complaining from a fan whose team has won two Cups in the last decade. :P
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That is an awful lot of complaining from a fan whose team has won two Cups in the last decade. :P
Point taken. But still....
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So...the Kings called up Gabriel Vilardi from the AHL's Ontario Reign, and he played his first game last night. His first shift began about 75 seconds into the game, and less than 10 seconds after jumping on the ice, he scored his first NHL goal!
https://www.nhl.com/video/vilardis-first-nhl-goal/t-313077532/c-5271580
He finished the night with a goal and an assist in a little over 15 minutes TOI, AND he won 13 of 16 faceoffs (81.3%). Not a bad debut!
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So...the Kings called up Gabriel Vilardi from the AHL's Ontario Reign, and he played his first game last night. His first shift began about 75 seconds into the game, and less than 10 seconds after jumping on the ice, he scored his first NHL goal!
https://www.nhl.com/video/vilardis-first-nhl-goal/t-313077532/c-5271580
He finished the night with a goal and an assist in a little over 15 minutes TOI, AND he won 13 of 16 faceoffs (81.3%). Not a bad debut!
Wow. That was fast! :omg:
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I'll just say thanks for beating the Panthers in regulation. :tup
Bruins finally unload Backes.
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After a rough stretch following the All-Star break, the Blues have their shit together. They have looked great all week and are currently pummeling the Stars in Dallas, 5-0, and it is like watching men against boys. This is fun.
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It's amazing that the same team that got clowned - yes, this time they were "clowned" - by Buffalo and Pitt back-to-back, could play the next game against Pitt and absolutely dominate them 4-0. This is the most frustrating thing about this team... the inconsistency. If they can string a couple of these games together, that would be encouraging. I still am not confident they can get past either of Tampa or Boston though. Three games against Tampa in the next 6 weeks though. Plus a couple against Florida, and the usual 3-in-4 nights in California. All of those will dictate their fate. They need to get 6 points in California, regular time wins against the Panthers, and at least a split with Tampa.
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Hopefully the Leafs can come back against the 42 y/o emergency goalie tonight. :lol
EDIT: Classy response by the Toronto fans to the goalie after the game. Seriously.
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Rangers suddenly in the thick of the playoff hunt. I knew going into this year that they would have some fight in them, but I never expected them to be as good as they are. No matter what happens this year, I’m proud of this team.
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And I thought back to back 5-2 losses earlier this week was a new low for the Leafs.
Kev ... full permission to use “clown” in the thread title while describing the Leafs. That honestly has to be the most embarrassing game in the history of the franchise.
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That's actually a cool story, seeing the Zamboni driver get to come in, play, and get a win. I updated the thread title, but kept it nice. :biggrin:
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I just saw that the EBUG played 29 minutes. Half the fucking game. . How the hell did the Leafs lose lol? I assumed it was a few minutes at the end or something.
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The Leafs are an absolute joke, and while the fans and the city have been fearing and feeling it for a while, now the entire fucking league, and all NHL fans know it. On a day when Ovi gets 700, he's not even the lead headline. Ayers' (the emerg backup) last professional game was 5 years ago in some 'senior' league where he gave up 11 goals on 46 shots. And the Leafs had him for 1/2 the game, managing I think 8 shots on him. Some credit is deserved to Carolina, who played like it was a one-goal lead in Game 7 of the Cup finals. But the Leafs were beyond pathetic. They were clowned - that is the right term this time. They proved beyond a shadow of any doubt, they are incapable of working hard, or wanting the win more than their opposition. They simply are not right in the head. They have the skill, they showed (in the 4-0 win against Pitt) that they are CAPABLE of putting forth the effort, but with this game, they showed they are INCAPABLE of doing it consistently. Hell, they couldn't even do it 2 games in a row. Winning in the NHL (hell, any sport) is hard. Losing is easy. Leafs clearly prefer to take the easy route.
14 games since the all-star break .... first 2 (v Stars and Preds) they looked really good. Then they fell apart. 4 wins in OT, 2 of them against teams coming off a game the night before (which was also the case against Carolina last night), 2 of which were against 'lesser' teams .... Ottawa, Anaheim. As Keefe said the other day, they seem to want to go thru the process by finding new ways to embarrass themselves. They are running out of time to 'fix' this, and their only saving grace at the moment is that Florida isn't putting up very many Ws.
It's just simply embarrassing the way the Leafs are earning their Ls. And the trade deadline isn't going to offer anything to change that.
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Oh, and lets not forget that this 42-year old Zamboni driver WORKS FOR THE LEAFS ORGANIZATION. He's their regular practice goalie! Oh, and he also had a shot-on-goal, which is more than can be said for Nylander.
Marchand after missing the shootout puck: this has got to be the most embarrass....
Entire leafs team: hold our beers
The entire team should've been forced to take the media podium one at a time.
Curious to know how they'll top (bottom?) this one.
Fuck them hard... fuck them long.
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Funny thing is that they're still very likely to be in the playoffs so long as they can keep Florida at bay. Disappointing for all the Metro teams that'll finish more points than the Leafs, but their current 72pts would place them 5th in the weaker West
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Got back home in time to see the 3rd period of this Caps/Pens game. Fun game from what I've seen. Malkin had a highlight-reel goal, but Oshie scored and has the Caps back in front with a few left.
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I like seeing the Leafs struggle only because Auston Matthews rubs me the wrong way. He just doesn’t strike me as a likeable person. He is one of the most reliable performers for them though, so he’s not much of the issue. Jingle, is there a lack of leadership on the team? Auston seems to dodge questions when the team is struggling, Marner seems pretty vocal in the media, but Tavares is the only one I see blurbs from the most. There just doesn’t seem to be accountability on the team, and Dubas is starting to look like an idiot. Is he on the hot seat?
Sorry, lots of questions.
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Oil acquire Mike Greene for basically a handwritten I.O.U for a box of Girl Guide cookies. I realize he's not the same player he was when he was scoring 30 for Washington, but he was basically free.
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I don't know hockey from my own asshole but can someone explain to me the ethics and level of trust necessary involving the emergency goalie? It just seems like such a recipe for sabotage having a dude affiliated with the opposition minding your team's net. Was there ever an instance of a dude going rogue and intentionally fucking over the other team cuz he knew he could help his other team win and then he received such severe backlash that now emergency goalies are afraid of that wrath and play honestly when called upon by the visiting team?
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Jingle, is there a lack of leadership on the team? Auston seems to dodge questions when the team is struggling, Marner seems pretty vocal in the media, but Tavares is the only one I see blurbs from the most. There just doesn’t seem to be accountability on the team, and Dubas is starting to look like an idiot. Is he on the hot seat?
Leadership... yeah. Tavares has been largely unimpressive as *the* leader / Captain. Keep in mind Marner/Matthews are still only 22. Shit, they've got a lot of maturing (both mentally, and game-smarts) to do. It's not like Stamkos, Ovi, O'Reilly, Sid were the leaders that they are now when they were 22 (well, Sid maybe). There's a lot of growing still to do. The main rub is that they demanded to (and got) paid like they were ready to make the leap. The team has regressed in a lot of ways this year. Is Dubas an idiot... hard to say. I'm not buying in to the vision of constructing a team mostly designed to out-skill the competition... and trading for a guy like Clifford seems to suggest he realizes that too.
I think everyone is on the hot seat, but primarily it's on the players right now - it's not like Dubas can solve anything in the next 9 hours - it's on the players, and to some extent, the coach. They say all the same cliched things (have to up our game, look at ourselves in the mirror, compete harder... yada yada), but at this point, it's just words. The frustrating thing is that they ARE capable - the games against Dallas, Nashville, and Pitt over the past 2 weeks demonstrate that. They just lapse into this fits where they rely too much on their skill. Watching Marner and Matthews play like it's a shinny game, constantly trying to dangle and puck-handle their way thru the defense is maddening. Nylander is fancy-shmancy when he gets the puck, but his work ethic without the puck is atrocious. When it works, they look like geniuses. But, when they're so regularly poke-checked, physically knocked off the puck, or simply lose control.... they look like clowns. That was a big part of what I saw against Carolina - relying almost exclusively on their skill. The Canes showed the blueprint on how to school this team - hound and forecheck the shit out of them. There was no situation where I didn't see at least one if not two or more white shirts on top of a Leaf player within 1-2 seconds of anyone getting the puck - even on the PP... the Canes were relentless, and the Leafs had no answer.
Add to that two of their younger d-pair have very much regressed, Barrie has not performed as advertised, Reilly and Ceci have been out a month now, and a 19-year old rookie (Sandin) is being put in the position of having to be a Top 3 d-man.... well, the blue line is a train-wreck. Regardless of all of that, for a team built to be an offensive juggernaught, and not get a single goal on an emerg goalie is ludicrous. That's on the players.
Until they put a string of good games together, they give me no faith at all. 19 games to go... I figure they need at least 12 wins (that would put them at 96 points... which was the floor for the East playoffs last year iirc). More realistically, they need 14-15 to show that they might have any kind of chance of proving they can elevate themselves to the level of Boston/TB.
They've shown nothing to suggest they can do either. As I said before, the only saving grace is that Florida isn't doing much either. Now... I was at the Buffalo game yesterday, and boy do they look like they might be getting their shit together (their loss to Ottawa notwithstanding). They're only 6 points back of the Leafs, with a game in hand. But, the Sabres have the 2nd hardest schedule in the league ahead of them.
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I don't know hockey from my own asshole but can someone explain to me the ethics and level of trust necessary involving the emergency goalie? It just seems like such a recipe for sabotage having a dude affiliated with the opposition minding your team's net. Was there ever an instance of a dude going rogue and intentionally fucking over the other team cuz he knew he could help his other team win and then he received such severe backlash that now emergency goalies are afraid of that wrath and play honestly when called upon by the visiting team?
I don't know the exact number, but i want to say there's been fewer than 10 times in the NHLs history that the emergency goalie saw game action, and the 29min the back up saw in the Carolina/Toronto game was probably the most game time. A team can only dress 20 players for a game and only have 23 on the active roster. It wouldn't make sense to use a roster spot for a 3rd goalie. It would be like an NFL team dressing 4 QBs for a game. Just wouldn't make sense.
It's probably not ideal, but it's also probably the best solution.
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Yeah... there's been about 15 instances of the EBUG in the last 10 years. Here's the rule:
If both of a team's listed goalkeepers are incapacitated for regular-season or playoff games, the team can dress and play any available eligible goalie. In the event that the two regular goalkeepers are injured in quick succession during a game, the third goalie gets a reasonable amount of time to dress, as well as a two-minute warm-up (except when he enters the game to defend against a penalty shot).
It's so rare, that no one really thinks about it ... until a cluster-fuck like this situation comes up. The league will definitely be making some big changes, as this could've been a disaster - Carolina in a tight race for a playoff spot, and if Ayers had let in a bunch of goals leading to the loss?? Yeah, that would've been a real bad look on the league.
Here's an article outlining a bunch of them up to 2016... and there's been at least two (Scott Fletcher and Ayers this weekend) since then.
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Oil acquire Mike Greene for basically a handwritten I.O.U for a box of Girl Guide cookies. I realize he's not the same player he was when he was scoring 30 for Washington, but he was basically free.
You could also see it as Ken Holland finally making a trade involving Mike Green at the deadline. ;)
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Trade day is off to a start:
JG Pageau to Isles - Isles paid pretty big for him.
Namestikov to the Avs
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Canes traded Haula, Wallmark, Luostarinen and Priskie for Vinnie Trocheck from the Panthers.
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Maybe I didn't phrase my question clearly cuz no one addressed the trust issue thing. I meant it seems weird that if Ayres was a Toronto guy that he was put into action against the team he presumably roots for. Unless I missed something, that is. But as far as I've been able to tell the game was played in Toronto and he was the in-house EBUG so I assume he'd be a Leafs fan that just had to play against them. If so, it seems like if the game were close and you had a real homer in the net that he could easily "miss" a shot on goal in a tied game to help the team he pulls for win.
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Maybe that's the way ya'll think in the south, but we Canuck's have morals and ethics. :biggrin:
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Been wondering 'where' to post this because I just need to vent a bit more....it's hockey related so I figured this is the best spot.
I Coach two of my kiddos Hockey teams and last weekend was the start of the 'Blue Note Playoffs' My youngest's team got smoked the first game so they were out pretty quick. (9) of the (14) kids on the team this was their first year playing so the season was all in all 'rough' because they were just learning. It was fun and my son had a blast....they just weren't very 'good'.
But, my middle sons team is pretty good. Came in 4th place....but only (6) pts out of first.....and the teams before us we'd beat two of the three. Only the top team had we lost to twice...both times by a goal. Games that were 'winnable' and that we were leading in but just didn't get the job done. Anyway, our first playoff game last Saturday morning was intense. If anyone can recall the Blues vs Coyotes game last week....that's pretty much what it was. In that game the Blues had 47 shots on goal...the Coyotes 10 yet it was 0-0 until the last part of the game.
We were all over this team (they were the 5th seed) but just could not freaking score. Played in their end of the ice the entire game....shot after shot....chance after chance....just nothing going in. Then, with under three minutes to go in the game they get a clean break away :omg: Just their player and our goalie.....and our goalie came up HUGE!!! She made a great butterfly pad save and the next thing you know we're in OT. It was so intense!!! Sudden death OT for 12 year olds.....of which.....we ended up finally scoring and winning 1-0 about 2 minutes in to it. It was a great win...the team was jacked.....my middle son on the drive home says to me "I think this is the happiest I've ever been".
So, that moved us on to the second round on Sunday where we had to play the #1 Seed team. Like I said, we'd lost to them twice but both times we had the chance to win the game....just couldn't do it.
So, we start off and we score a minute into the game!! Great start! Then, they tied it near the end of the first period. In the second period they take the lead 2-1 on a goal that must have hit three or four different skates before it found it's way into the net....was a bummer but that happens.
We have a kid who I am not kidding has a shot that is as hard as a lot of the men I play hockey with on Sundays. Just a friggin' wicked shot.....and he let one rip from the top of the circle....hits the crossbar and goes straight down to the back of the net....hits the bottom bar....and back out....all in a flash. We all celebrate....fans jumping up and down as we just tied it.....yet, the Ref and Two officials call it 'no goal'. They said it was crossbar only!!! >:( :censored
Now, keep in mind these officials might be 13 or 14....they aren't grown men....it's just kids....so I get that they're learning but it was a huge bummer to have a goal not counted. But, nonetheless....they didn't count it. BUT...no worries......we end up tying it up with minutes to go in the second period so we enter the third knotted 2-2
This period was intense. Both teams battling hard.....great saves being made on both sides....great defense....just a good game. Then, with under 4 minutes to play we get a Power Play! Puck drops....a scrum happens along the boards at Center Ice and they emerge with the puck and move to enter our zone....but one of their players goes offside by about three foot. Really obvious....so obvious the players kind of stop for a second waiting for the whistle......THAT NEVER CAME!!!!
After a second or two the players kind of re-engage but by that point all momentum had been lost....they carry it in and rip a shot and score :censored >:( :censored >:( :censored
We are livid!!!! we call the Ref over and plead with him to consult the other officials and get this right. He won't budge. The Missouri Hockey Representative that is in the penalty box (has to be one rep at each game) tells us that it was clearly offside but that there's nothing he can really do about it....it's the officials call.
We calm our kids down because clearly we are all ticked off. It gets down to a little under two minutes to go in the game.....we get our goalie pulled and spend the last minute and a half in their zone just firing away trying to tie it but to no avail.
We lose 3-2.....season over.....chance to compete for the Championship next weekend gone. >:( I'm still not over it. I'm so heartbroken for the kiddos that their season ended like that. I spent all day yesterday scouring the rules to see if there was a way to protest the game since the Mo. Hockey official saw it all. But, there isn't.
Anyway.....for those of you who read this whole thing.....sorry about that....it's just that I'm sure my friends and family are sick of hearing me whine about this so now you do :lol
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Need us to call you a Wahmbulance? :D Sorry dude, I couldn't resist.
Yeah, that absolutely blows. Tough break for them .. TWICE. Now you know what it's like to be Lindy Ruff in 1999. Two words.... "no goal".
I know it doesn't help the kids, but you know they were the better team, and they'll all learn and grow from the experience. Life ain't fair.
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Yeah. We let our kids know how proud we were/are of them. We had such amazing growth as a team and as individual players......my son included. From where he started this year to where he is now is really cool to see and that was the case with the majority of the kids.
Like I said.....Im just bummed for them that it ended the way it did. Not to say we don’t lose in OT or even we don’t get scored on later in the period.....but that goal was a tough one to have go against ya.
Oh well. The Spring 4 v 4 season starts March 10th so it’ll be back at it soon enough.
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Sounds like you should have slipped some money to those officials, Gary. :P
That seriously blows, though.
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And right on cue, the Leafs play another solid game against a Top 5 team, inclusive of losing Muzzin for the 3rd period. Hopefully it’s not a broken hand.
$20 says they lay a steaming turd against Florida on Thursday.
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Nick... what's the deal with Philly? I hadn't been paying attention to them all year, but they've nicely crept up in the standings and are now just a point behind Pitt. :omg:
Nashville has fought their way back into the WC race, while Arizona is dropping like a stone. Their offense must be truly shit - and Hall is proving his Hart Trophy year was a flash in the pan. I'm not sure how anyone can consider him an "elite" player.
Man I feel bad for Winnipeg... so much adversity with their D, injuries out the wazoo, and they are still clinging to playoff hope. Couple of tough losses recently. Looking at their results, going 3-8-1 in Jan (including a 1-7-0 stretch) really killed them; 3-4-1 in the last 8 isn't helping either... 3 of the losses by 1 goal though.
Vancouver looking solid, but Markstrom being injured is gonna hurt them.
Love this time of year ... jockeying for position, fighting for the playoffs. It's amazing to see 7 Metro teams all playing playoff-worthy hockey - though Columbus seems to have blown their load, and are gradually playing themselves out of contention.
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Meanwhile, the Blues and Hawks played a really fun game last night, as the Blues turned a 3-1 deficit into a 6-5 win by outscoring them 4-2 in a crazy 3rd period. :hat
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Man I feel bad for Winnipeg...
Nope. Not at all. You get what you give.....
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Man I feel bad for Winnipeg...
Nope. Not at all. You get what you give.....
Not sure what this means.
And Muzzin's hand is broken - out 3-4 weeks. That's 3 of the top 4 D-men out for the Leafs; 3 of their D are rookies with less than 50 games of NHL experience between the three of them; 2 others are only in their 1st and 2nd year of being full-time roster players. Barrie is the only dressed player that has more than 2 years experience. Ceci and Reilly are still 2-3 weeks away.
Gonna have to play some very strong team defense now.
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Man I feel bad for Winnipeg...
Nope. Not at all. You get what you give.....
Not sure what this means.
Just saying I don't feel sorry for them. I recall last year as the Blues were beating them and afterwards....their coach and players refused to give any credit at all to the Blues for taking them out. Used the word 'lucky' several times in interviews and that they weren't all that impressed. Just basically were sour pusses about being eliminated and scoffed at the idea that the Blues were 'better' than them.
So...they get no sympathy from me for their tribulations this year. Seems deserved.....
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Nick... what's the deal with Philly? I hadn't been paying attention to them all year, but they've nicely crept up in the standings and are now just a point behind Pitt. :omg:
A lot of little things coming together. It has to start with goaltending and the confidence that brings them. Carter Hart has a really weird thing right now where his home stats are light years ahead of his away stats, but having Brian Elliott as a backup or 1b has made that a minor issue. They've been mostly healthy and mostly rock solid all year, and that's not something we're overly used to.
An part of that can be credited to the defense, which again is a lot of little pieces coming together. We got Niskanen and he has shown no decline in play this year, and has really been stellar for us. Justin Braun was thought of as a 7th defenseman when we also got him, but he has played up to a really solid defenseman. Provorov had some struggles early but is back to being an awesome workhorse, and Sanheim and Myers took huge strides this year to be an amazing 2nd pair for the last 15 or so games. Gostisbehere is still struggling, and Hagg is still not great, but everyone else has been good so it's not been a problem. And we're 2nd in goals from the D-core in the league.
We knew that the goalie situation should be better this year, and are very happy the defense situation played out on the upper end of expectations, but credit to the forward core as a whole for overcoming some big issues. Oskar Lindblom getting cancer just as he was really breaking out was tough, and really added to the hurt of former #2 pick Nolan Patrick, who was already not coming along quite as quickly as most would have liked, being out all season with a migraine disorder. But a couple of things went in our favor. Firstly, people need to give Giroux, the 2nd or 3rd most prolific point producer over the past years his fucking credit and realize he has absolutely always made those around him better. Couturier has become an absolute beast, and is probably among the best value contracts in the league right now (he's like 5m/yr). He should finally get his Selke and is also pouring on points. Konecny has continued to bloom and was an all-star this year for good reason. Kevin Hayes has fully adjusted and has been a beast. He along with some depth players have really improved our penalty kill. Finally, our 3rd and 4th line has more skill and consistency than ever before, and got added to at the trade deadline. In general we just have a solid forward core, that distributes points pretty evenly, so it might lack some big name flash, but they are all getting the job done.
At this point I absolutely see us making the playoffs, and where we go from there will be interesting to watch, it's been like 10 years since we've gotten out of the first round. I will say if we continue to play this well as a team we're going to be tough to match up against, and even if we lose I don't think anyone will want to play against us. Biggest weakness remains the occasional period off, or especially a slow start, but even that has gotten better recently. We have a pair of games against the Rangers next, we win those and we'll be looking good ahead of a tougher stretch.
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They're rallying around Gritty being cleared.
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They're rallying around Gritty being cleared.
Fuck that.
If there was a patreon to give Gritty $5 every time he punches a child I'd be the first to enter my credit card information.
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I’m still pissed with Ghost - picking him as the top D-man in my pool last year cost me 1st place over 4th .... otherwise known as $1200.
I’d seen Hayes performing well, and yeah ... Giroux and Couterier are legitimate stars. I’m surprised the tandem of Hart and Elliot are performing so well.
Lose the two coming up with NYR, and they’re right on top of you!
Love this time of year.
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A few years ago, maybe 2016, i suggested in here Draisaitl and the Oil's first round pick for PKSubban. I was told by member, who I'm to lazy to look up in the old thread, that i was over valuing Draisaitl. Turns out, i was heavily under valuing him. He looks unstoppable in the race for the Art Ross, and he should rightfully be in the mix for the Hart, too. Hell, a few more games like tonight and he'll be taking home the Rocket, as well ;)
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A few years ago, maybe 2016, i suggested in here Draisaitl and the Oil's first round pick for PKSubban. I was told by member, who I'm to lazy to look up in the old thread, that i was over valuing Draisaitl. Turns out, i was heavily under valuing him.
Especially when you compare him to Subban now, who looks like a shell of himself.
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And man did the Oilers get a bargain with his contract as well. 8 million a year until 2026.
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So Bergevin says Clude Julien will return next season. Now I love Claude, but I have a question....WHY?
Not that I'm looking for the Habs to improve, but they've done nothing but flounder under Claude.
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So Bergevin says Clude Julien will return next season. Now I love Claude, but I have a question....WHY?
Not that I'm looking for the Habs to improve, but they've done nothing but flounder under Claude.
IMO, Bergevin is the problem. The team is not built for success - trying to be a contender while developing youth like Suzuki and Kotkaniemi, while holding on to Weber/Price/Petry as the foundation of the team. Of course, injuries this year didn't help them.
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Petry blows!
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I really try not to post after a Bruins win, but holy shit, that was a big boy hockey game tonight in Tampa. I'd have posted either way. Fucking intense.
Oh, and it is so clear that Scott Hartnell hates the Bruins. :lol I love watching him squirm trying to say nice things about the B's.
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Tampa stepped it up x Infinity in the 3rd.
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That game might have had the most speed I've seen all year. It was like having 10 Connor McDavids on the ice.
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So much speed and distribution.
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Went to the Rangers game last night. Great game until the refs stopped doing their jobs in the third period. Rough stretch of losses for my Blueshirts this past week after clawing their way back into playoff contention, but I’m proud of how they’ve played these past few weeks. And hey, at least I saw them lose to a team I can actually stomach in the Blues.
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Holy shit Zibanejad.
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Holy shit Zibanejad.
I love that guy. He was a Bruins killer when he played in Ottawa.
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Henri Richard, dead at 84.
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Holy shit Zibanejad.
I love that guy. He was a Bruins killer when he played in Ottawa.
He’s my favorite player right now. I think he should be the Rangers next captain although it will probably be Kreider.
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Hot damn the Leafs’ inconsistency is beyond maddening.
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Hot damn the Leafs’ inconsistency is beyond maddening.
The Panthers are begging the Leafs to take that playoff spot. It's like no one wants it. :lol
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Hot damn the Leafs’ inconsistency is beyond maddening.
The Panthers are begging the Leafs to take that playoff spot. It's like no one wants it. :lol
Rite? Neither of them deserve it when NYI, Car, NYR, and CBJ are all performing better and fighting harder.
Tough set of games coming up for the Leafs - Tampa, Nashville, Boston, NJ, Isles, Columbus, Florida. Florida still has 2 games in hand (Mtl tonight, and then makes up the other before the game vs the Leafs in 2 weeks). Panthers have some (theoretically) easier opponents (NJ, Buf and Detroit between now and the Leafs game).
I still maintain that it would be better for the long run for this Leafs team to NOT make the playoffs.
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The Isles have been sucking lately. Lost again today.
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True... I forgot how much they’ve slid in the past month.
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And they can keep sliding. Ottawa owns their first round pick
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Another big boy game tonight between the Bruins and Lightning.
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Kings somehow find themselves on a 5-game winning streak at a point where they should tank. That stated, it's really hard to suck worst than the Red Wings in the standings this year, so might as well give some of the guys they called up from Ontario that feeling to win games solidly at the highest level. Looks like #30 in the standings will be contended by all three California teams and the Senators and thankfully Sharks/Senators went to OT today so they both got at least a point and they still have more pts than Kings. Suckers......
This is also fun, since we are not contending for a spot, that we are playing spoiler against teams that do need the pts that is on the bubble for playoff spots like Wilds, Leafs, and Panthers. This is the most fun and best feeling I had following the team this year. Haven't had that feeling in a good while.
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Another big boy game tonight between the Bruins and Lightning.
What happened?
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I still maintain that it would be better for the long run for this Leafs team to NOT make the playoffs.
You still want them to make the playoffs, though, right? I mean, even if you don't think they have a realistic chance to make a deep run, it's just so fun to see your team in the playoffs, and it sucks watching the playoffs knowing that your team didn't make it. Future be damned!! :P
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Another big boy game tonight between the Bruins and Lightning.
What happened?
For the 2nd time this week, the Bruins and Lightning played two of the most intense games of the year. The Bruins won earlier this week in Tampa and The Lightning won last night in Boston. There was like 3 brawls. It was old time hockey.
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I still maintain that it would be better for the long run for this Leafs team to NOT make the playoffs.
You still want them to make the playoffs, though, right? I mean, even if you don't think they have a realistic chance to make a deep run, it's just so fun to see your team in the playoffs, and it sucks watching the playoffs knowing that your team didn't make it. Future be damned!! :P
Actually, a very big part of me doesn’t want them to make the dance - the chances of them even getting out of the first round are minuscule. Yeah, yeah ....i know .... ’anything can happen’. I simply don’t see them getting past the Bolts. TBL isn’t gonna go out with back-to-back 1st round exits
Making the playoffs, and getting trounced by the Bolts is still going to be a step backwards for them. If this is going to be a backwards season, might as well go all-in, and get embarrassed as well... in the hopes that it knocks some sense into them and they come back much stronger next year. The Blues had to hit rock bottom (quite literally), before getting their shit together. The Leafs need to find their ‘bottom’ ... and a 1st round defeat isn’t it. It’d be too easy to just chalk it up to the fact they ran into a stronger, more talented, more experienced team.
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For the 2nd time this week, the Bruins and Lightning played two of the most intense games of the year. The Bruins won earlier this week in Tampa and The Lightning won last night in Boston. There was like 3 brawls. It was old time hockey.
I checked out the highlights. Old time hockey for sure. Good to see Maroon agitating them again. :coolio
Actually, a very big part of me doesn’t want them to make the dance - the chances of them even getting out of the first round are minuscule. Yeah, yeah ....i know .... ’anything can happen’. I simply don’t see them getting past the Bolts. TBL isn’t gonna go out with back-to-back 1st round exits
Making the playoffs, and getting trounced by the Bolts is still going to be a step backwards for them. If this is going to be a backwards season, might as well go all-in, and get embarrassed as well... in the hopes that it knocks some sense into them and they come back much stronger next year. The Blues had to hit rock bottom (quite literally), before getting their shit together. The Leafs need to find their ‘bottom’ ... and a 1st round defeat isn’t it. It’d be too easy to just chalk it up to the fact they ran into a stronger, more talented, more experienced team.
I get it, the "take one step back to take two steps forward" mentality. Right now, it's easy to say that you can't imagine anyone beating Boston or TB in the 1st round, but crazy stuff can happen once playoff hockey kicks in. Anything can happen, indeed. :)
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Meanwhile, the Blues win 2-0 at Chicago thanks to another great performance by Jake Allen and sweep the Blackhawks for the first time ever. When it comes to the regular season, it doesn't get any sweeter than that. :coolio :hat
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Meanwhile, the Blues win 2-0 at Chicago thanks to another great performance by Jake Allen and sweep the Blackhawks for the first time ever. When it comes to the regular season, it doesn't get any sweeter than that. :coolio :hat
2nd shutout for the year against Chicago for Allen. The Blackhawks are a shell of themselves. WTF happened?
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2nd shutout for the year against Chicago for Allen. The Blackhawks are a shell of themselves. WTF happened?
The sports gods finally decided to make things right. :biggrin:
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Meanwhile, the Blues win 2-0 at Chicago thanks to another great performance by Jake Allen and sweep the Blackhawks for the first time ever. When it comes to the regular season, it doesn't get any sweeter than that. :coolio :hat
2nd shutout for the year against Chicago for Allen. The Blackhawks are a shell of themselves. WTF happened?
Probably the same thing that took the Kings in a downward spiral. Their big long-term contracts of Toews and Kane probably restricted them to make any solid exchanges and other teams in the central gotten really better since the Blackhawks cup wins. I'm certain that ditching Joel Quenneville after 15 games and being .500 at the start in 2018 probably hurt them than helped them. Don't know.
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Fan-less games in San Jose and Columbus coming up. I'm not sure I'd want to wager whether it'll be league wide by the end of the season. Same with the Dubs / NBA.
Gonna be weird.
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Fan-less games in San Jose and Columbus coming up. I'm not sure I'd want to wager whether it'll be league wide by the end of the season. Same with the Dubs / NBA.
Gonna be weird.
If we have a rest of the season.
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Fan-less games in San Jose and Columbus coming up. I'm not sure I'd want to wager whether it'll be league wide by the end of the season. Same with the Dubs / NBA.
Gonna be weird.
If we have a rest of the season.
Based on yesterday, I think both leagues are done. I simply don't see a scenario where the NHL can't follow suit and take *preventative* measures now that the NBA has had to take *reactive* measures. Additionally, I cant fathom things stabilizing enough to re-start in 4 weeks (for the NBA). Things are only going to get worse, not better.
So yeah... my money would be that both leagues are now done for this season, including playoffs.
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So yeah... my money would be that both leagues are now done for this season, including playoffs.
As a Blues fan of a team that has as more than legit a shot as any past champion at a repeat....this really sucks. I know repeating as Stanley Cup Champs is probably the most difficult thing in sports to do, but I like(d) the Blues chances this year. A prime year in the window of limited seasons that finely tuned teams get to make solid runs at the Cup taken away by a dickhead virus. That's my selfish take on it.
In all seriousness, I don't see how the NHL can not follow suite. And, depending on the coming weeks/months.....the MLB has a decision to make as well.
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The NHL is making their decision today, and i really hope they don't cancel the season. And not just because the Oilers might actually make the playoffs for a change, but also because i believe it would be an overreaction. Covid-19 is serious, no doubt, but it's not the plague. It's not the Spanish flu. Hell, it's not even as severe as regular influenza. Maybe I'll be eating those words 3 months from now, but i don't think such drastic measures are necessary.
Ironically, my company is holding its annual 'safety summit' this week despite corona concerns, where all 3000 employees are cramming into a convention hall together.
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The NHL is making their decision today, and i really hope they don't cancel the season. And not just because the Oilers might actually make the playoffs for a change, but also because i believe it would be an overreaction. Covid-19 is serious, no doubt, but it's not the plague. It's not the Spanish flu. Hell, it's not even as severe as regular influenza. Maybe I'll be eating those words 3 months from now, but i don't think such drastic measures are necessary.
Ironically, my company is holding its annual 'safety summit' this week despite corona concerns, where all 3000 employees are cramming into a convention hall together.
You're clearly not following the news closely enough. It's worse - from a communicability standpoint, and mortality rate. Much worse.
Also, ATP and MLS just suspended/cancelled their seasons/events.
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wonder if they'd consider playing to empty venues? just to get the season and playoffs in?
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My guess is that the NHL relies too much on paid attendance for their money to be able to pay the players to perform in empty arenas. They make much less from TV deals and such than the other major sports leagues.
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My guess is that the NHL relies too much on paid attendance for their money to be able to pay the players to perform in empty arenas. They make much less from TV deals and such than the other major sports leagues.
Yeah....I'm sure you're right. I'm just hoping that the season isn't done and over with. As I said....selfishly this season is right in the window of seasons for the Blues to make their mark on history and it sucks to have it taken away. But, that's just the way it goes I guess.....
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Well, if this season gets postponed/cancelled, I'll be happy knowing that the Kings finished around 29th place and below and ended the season with a 7 game winning streak and has a group of solid young players again. Future's bright once again.
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I'm going to cry now. The season is now suspended to no one's surprise. It's the right move to make, but still. You hate to see a season end prematurely and it's not even Bettman's fault.
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Unsurprising. There really wasn't any other option.
I predict if - *IF* - the league resumes, they'll just lock the standings as is (normalizing for games in hand - NYI is the only team with games in hand that could put them into a playoff position) and then go straight to the playoffs. Best-of-5 series' for the first 3 rounds; best of 7 for the finals.
But if I were a betting person, I'd say the season is done-done. For both leagues.
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Unsurprising. There really wasn't any other option.
I predict if - *IF* - the league resumes, they'll just lock the standings as is (normalizing for games in hand - NYI is the only team with games in hand that could put them into a playoff position) and then go straight to the playoffs. Best-of-5 series' for the first 3 rounds; best of 7 for the finals.
But if I were a betting person, I'd say the season is done-done. For both leagues.
Yeah, I'm leaning towards done-done. A friend proposed that they could resume in a couple months (maybe June), and then just reduce next season to 48 games. Resuming in June would have playoffs wrap up near the end of summer, which would leave a shortened off-season before beginning again in December with training camp.
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I don't see them consciously impacting 2 seasons. And considering players don't get paid for the post-season, I see zero chance the NHLPA would be on board with a shortened season next year just to get the playoffs in this year.
Done-done, with the hopes of life back to some form of normal come September.
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Sounds like the NHL has asked the teams for their arena availability through the end of July. That could pose another hurdle if the teams don't have adequate access to their rinks to accommodate a changed schedule, especially if they share with NBA teams
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I don't see them consciously impacting 2 seasons. And considering players don't get paid for the post-season, I see zero chance the NHLPA would be on board with a shortened season next year just to get the playoffs in this year.
Players do get paid for the postseason. It is correct that a player's salary pursuant to his contract is paid over the course of the season, regardless of whether his team makes the playoffs, and that the players earn no additional salary pursuant to their contracts during the postseason. However, players whose teams make the playoffs receive additional compensation in the form of a playoff bonus pool that is distributed depending on how far each team advances. The bonus pool for the 2019-20 season is $16 million. In 2013, it was $13 million and was distributed as follows (I don't know what the distribution was for subsequent seasons):
- President's Trophy winner - $500k
- First round losers - $250k to each of the eight teams
- Second round losers - $500k to each of the four teams
- Conference final losers - $1.25M to each of the two teams
- SCF runner up - $2.25 million
- SCF champ - $3.75 million
Each team's share is generally divided equally among its players on the active roster.
Granted, on a per game basis, that playoff money will be less than what most players earn during the regular season, but it's not chump change either. Using those 2013 numbers, if we assume a roster with 25 players, a player on a team that got swept out of the first round (e.g., the Canucks) earned $2,500 per game. On the other hand, players on the team that won the Cup would have earned $250k, which works out to $7,500 per game if it took 20 games to win it all (in 2013, it took Chicago 23 games to win, but 23 isn't a round number). Over an 82 game season, $7,500 per game equates to a $615k salary, which was quite a bit over the league minimum for 2013 (and, of course, I'm disregarding that 2013 was a shortened season).
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If the coronavirus threat calms down in 4-6 weeks like some are saying (who knows if that is true?), I think it would make sense to just end the regular season as the standings are right now and start the playoffs in May or June. Of course, the obvious drawback to that, from a competitive standpoint, is you'd have the playoffs starting with 16 teams who haven't played a real game in months. Hard to know what the right thing to do is, but like Chad, I won't be surprised if they just call it a day for this season. Starting the playoffs late and extending them into the summer too much would certainly affect the start of next season.
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I think they should cancel the playoffs and award the Cup to which ever team has the best record in the league.
Just sayin'..
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I think they should cancel the playoffs and award the Cup to the most recent Stanley Cup champion.
"To be the man, you have to beat the man." :hat :hat
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I think they should cancel the playoffs and award the Cup to the most recent Stanley Cup champion.
"To be the man, you have to beat the man." :hat :hat
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I think they should cancel the playoffs and award the Cup to the most recent Stanley Cup champion.
"To be the man, you have to beat the man." :hat :hat
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I think they should cancel the playoffs and award the Cup to the most recent Stanley Cup champion.
"To be the man, you have to beat the man." :hat :hat
I say give it to the team that won the last game before the season was put on hold or the team that has the highest winning streak right now..... :hat
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They would have to do SOME part of the regular season no matter what to make sure each team has played an equal number of games.
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They would have to do SOME part of the regular season no matter what to make sure each team has played an equal number of games.
They could just work off of point % instead of total # of points
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I don't think the teams would want to go from a suspended season directly into the playoffs. They would surely want some time to get their game back up to speed after a layoff, and practices aren't the same as game intensity. And nowhere near playoff game intensity.
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I thought re-watching the Blues Cup run last year would tide me over a bit. Watched each series highlights last night......it only made me more depressed largely due to what I've mentioned. You don't have a very big window in the salary cap era to have these types of championship chances.....the Blues had a legit shot to repeat. they didn't lose any major component.....were playing on a role and getting that 'look' refined heading into the playoffs.....you could just see and feel it. Now, even if there is some sort of abbreviated playoff.....it's all thrown off and defacto, for everyone.
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A couple of weeks ago (before the "pause" of the season), I downloaded from YT the 3 games from the 1987 Canada Cup games ... Canada v USSR. Can't wait to re-watch those.
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Fox Sports Midwest is going to start showing past Cardinal and Blues games.....starting tomorrow. Blues v Leafs on 10/7/19 is one of them. I don't recall the specific game but I'm just assuming they'd select 'good' games to watch.
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NHL Network had Flyers-Sabres '75 Cup Finals last night. :metal
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Fox Sports Midwest is going to start showing past Cardinal and Blues games.....starting tomorrow. Blues v Leafs on 10/7/19 is one of them. I don't recall the specific game but I'm just assuming they'd select 'good' games to watch.
That was the one where the Leafs got .... "Clowned". ;) :P @ Kev.
NHL Network had Flyers-Sabres '75 Cup Finals last night. :metal
Now that sounds fuckin awesome.
I still contend that the '87 and '91 Canada Cup tourney's were the best hockey I ever watched (1a and 1b), with the '89 Habs/Flames Cup Final a close 2nd
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NHL Network had Flyers-Sabres '75 Cup Finals last night. :metal
Nice! When my wife changed our provider from Verizon FIOS to Spectrum, I got the Dodger channel but lost NHLN. It's worth it to me, but I do miss NHLN.
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Fox Sports Midwest is going to start showing past Cardinal and Blues games.....starting tomorrow. Blues v Leafs on 10/7/19 is one of them. I don't recall the specific game but I'm just assuming they'd select 'good' games to watch.
That was the one where the Leafs got .... "Clowned". ;) :P @ Kev.
Thread title updated just for you. :biggrin:
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See!?!! Time PLUS tragedy equals comedy. :biggrin:
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Coronavirus hits the Sens. Apparently they played in LA one night after the Nets played there.
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Coronavirus hits the Sens. Apparently they played in LA one night after the Nets played there.
So the suggestion is surface transmission from the arena ... or more specifically, the locker room?
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Coronavirus hits the Sens. Apparently they played in LA one night after the Nets played there.
So the suggestion is surface transmission from the arena ... or more specifically, the locker room?
The visiting hockey teams at Staples Center do not use the same locker rooms as the visiting basketball teams.
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Coronavirus hits the Sens. Apparently they played in LA one night after the Nets played there.
So the suggestion is surface transmission from the arena ... or more specifically, the locker room?
The visiting hockey teams at Staples Center do not use the same locker rooms as the visiting basketball teams.
Gotchya. :tup
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Coronavirus hits the Sens. Apparently they played in LA one night after the Nets played there.
So the suggestion is surface transmission from the arena ... or more specifically, the locker room?
Just repeating what I heard on the radio this morning. ;D
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Well, at least, no one in the Kings' organization is deemed as sick as of right now.
As of this time, no current member of our organization has demonstrated any signs or symptoms consistent with the onset of the COVID-19 virus and we will continue to monitor this on a daily basis.
https://twitter.com/LAKings/status/1240420249880707072
https://www.nhl.com/kings/news/la-kings-statement-on-ottawa-senators-positive-covid-19-test-result/c-316215648?linkId=100000011254826
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So they've been showing old Bruins games. Last night it was a game from 2003 in LA (Bergeron's first goal) and a playoff game from 1990 vs Hartford.
Tonight a 1984 game against Pittsburgh and a 1989 game against the Canadiens.
Reminding me how fucking good Ray Bourque was. He's the best D-man these eyes have ever seen.
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My favorite Bruins game is Game 7 of last year's Finals.
Sorry, had to do it. :biggrin: :biggrin:
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..no. You didn't have to.
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Tonight's game is the Bruins vs Washington 3/7/94, where Cam Neely scores his 50th goal in 44 games.
Kev, there's a great fight featuring Craig Berube.
And keep the dick comments to yourself.
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Haha, sir, yes, sir! :P
I don't really remember Berube as a player. Based on what I've heard, though, I suspect he is one of those guys who you loved if he was on your team, but hated if he was on a rival. Then again, there are a lot of players like that in hockey. :lol :lol
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Haha, sir, yes, sir! :P
I don't really remember Berube as a player. Based on what I've heard, though, I suspect he is one of those guys who you loved if he was on your team, but hated if he was on a rival. Then again, there are a lot of players like that in hockey. :lol :lol
I fucking love Craig Berube. Any other year I would've been rooting for the Blues. In this game he fights Jamie Huscroft (Who??) but it was fantastic. Berube has a mullet down to his ass. :lol
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I never would have had a mullet...maybe.
*hides*
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So apparently, NBC Sports Network had the Kings/Blackhawks Game 7 in the 2014 series on this afternoon. I might as well tell a story of what I was going through that day. That was quite the tolling game in which I recall I didn't watch the first half of it. On that particular day, I went to church in the evening around the same time the game was starting. Why? Mainly, because I was attempting (and failing) to repair this relationship (mainly platonic, hoping for something more and better than that) with this woman that I had known for over 15 years, since kindergarten. She was singing in the church choir along with a good friend of ours that was the conductor. After mass, I was trying to see if I can get a conversation with her. She wasn't interested at all. Why? I don't know. Stuff happens. Stuff just happens where at the end of the day, we just can't be good friends at that point. Her life is set going one way and mine was going in another way and the path just cannot converge anymore. It happens.
Anywho, back to the hockey. Went to drive home, turned on the radio station that had the game and found that Kings were behind 4-3. I just had a huge groan as I really didn't want them to lose to the Blackhawks, especially after they owned us in 2013. Especially after leading the series 3-1 when I didn't think we would have this kind of lead against a really tough team in the Blackhawks. One thing I observed in the Blackhawks' 2013 and 2014 run. If you have them down, you got to keep them down. Otherwise, they will just get back up and beat you, as evident in their series against the Red Wings in 2013 (where the Wings had that 3-1 lead and still didn't win). I was just dreading the moment when it would happen that the Kings would go against the Blackhawks again. Thankfully, in that particular 2014 playoff season, that Kings team was the team that wasn't going to go down quietly as well.
Prior to that 2014 series, the Blackhawks just owned us in the last two regular seasons and the 2013 series. I just was hoping for either the Blues or the Wilds to take out the Blackhawks so that the Kings didn't have to face them. I perceived the Blackhawks as the biggest challenger in the Kings' quest to regain the cup. Even after humiliating the Sharks by owning them in 4 straight games despite being down 3-0. Even after coming back from behind 3-2 to beat the Ducks. Those achievements meant nothing if we had lost to the Blackhawks in that run. Any other team left in that run, I can take it or leave it, whether it was the Rangers or the Habs. The idea of losing against those teams would still sting, but the maximum pain inflicted would have been losing to the Blackhawks. They were just too good and it was a very tolling 7 games series to follow for either fanbase of the Kings or the Blackhawks.
Anyway, I got home to finish watching the game and man, it was a slight relief to see the Kings tie it and it was especially the hugest relief when Martinez scored the winning goal. I just knew then that despite how tough the Rangers was going to play (and they played really well), I had a great feeling they were going to win the cup after beating their biggest challenge in the Blackhawks.
Now it's years later, both teams suck (I think the Kings are on the up and up, we'll see next season), I still haven't mended the wounds of that relationship with the woman I mentioned, but I don't feel as sad about it now as I did in 2014. Time heals all wounds and it's time to move on to better things. Now if only this pandemic can stop and that we can enjoy watching live hockey again without fear of sickness.
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I just got over losing to the Hawks in 2013, and then BAM, we lose to the Blues. :lol
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I just got over losing to the Hawks in 2013, and then BAM, we lose to the Blues. :lol
Yeah, I was rooting for you guys in that finals in 2013 (and in 2011 against the Canucks). Mainly due to the fact that I really hated the other two teams so much at the time.
I remember that there was that gif that I saw after Game 6 in the Cup Finals in 2013 where everyone in Chicago ran out of their bars into the streets in celebration after the game was over and now I can't find it. Now I wonder if I was imaging it.
Edit: Oh sweet, found it.
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.sbnation.com%2Fassets%2F2832859%2Fchicagowoooo.gif&hash=1ce5175196954e2e3d10d5bb3d0a3abae13e3b19)
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The '13 finals was one of the best series I've ever seen. The Bruins gagged it at the end of Game 6. They were so beat up by the end of that series. Chara on one leg, Bergeron with a busted spleen.
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The Vegas/Sharks Game 7 is on NBC. Good lord......did Vegas get the utter shaft on that Pavelski call. It’s exactly how I remembered it....horse poo
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Yeah, a brutal call.
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Yeah, a brutal call.
Pavelski was dead tired because he’d been out there for a solid two minutes.....gets toasted off the face off and can’t handle a common shove from Eakin and loses balance.
Horrific, inexcusable call.
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If the Sharks can't make the playoffs, NO ONE CAN!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :lol :lol :lol :lol
Seriously though, I'm glad this season was cut short. California teams were the worst. :loser:
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Interesting.
https://www.tsn.ca/seravalli-how-a-68-game-rollback-might-be-nhl-s-most-fair-standings-format-1.1464422
I NEED HOCKEY!!!
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I still say the safe and smart thing to do is just cancel the season and declare last year's champs this year's as well. :biggrin:
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I still say the safe and smart thing to do is just cancel the season and declare last year's champs this year's as well. :biggrin: hope that the '20/'21 season can start in October as usual.
Fix'd.
Oh, and 30,000 posts, bitches. :metal
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I still say the safe and smart thing to do is just cancel the season and declare last year's champs this year's as well. :biggrin:
Nope. B's were on a damn roll.
I still say the safe and smart thing to do is just cancel the season and declare last year's champs this year's as well. :biggrin: hope that the '20/'21 season can start in October as usual.
Fix'd.
Oh, and 30,000 posts, bitches. :metal
Very fitting on the hockey thread! :metal
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Interesting.
https://www.tsn.ca/seravalli-how-a-68-game-rollback-might-be-nhl-s-most-fair-standings-format-1.1464422
I NEED HOCKEY!!!
That’d screw the Blues who led the Central for the bulk of the season and are leading it....yet at (68) games that’s in the small window of a couple games where the Avs were on top by a point.
Points percentage is the way to go.
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Interesting.
https://www.tsn.ca/seravalli-how-a-68-game-rollback-might-be-nhl-s-most-fair-standings-format-1.1464422
I NEED HOCKEY!!!
That’d screw the Blues who led the Central for the bulk of the season and are leading it....yet at (68) games that’s in the small window of a couple games where the Avs were on top by a point.
Points percentage is the way to go.
Yeah, but as a fan that does not have a horse for the playoffs, I would like to see Battle of Alberta and Pens/Caps in 1st round. Although, the other system gives us Flyers/Pens which is also a nice rivalry to watch.
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I was going through a drawer where I keep programs from sporting events. I have a program from a December 1992 game between the Kings and Whalers. Inside the program was this:
(https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/92516460_10217683711185124_7979313821602807808_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=U7abxA_TUG0AX91U_RT&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=7e320f0ea4d8a442205d5b128047e0f2&oe=5EB4F5B0)
So...who you got?
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Oh wow! Cool!
Wales:
Lemieux
Neely
Jagr
Bourque
Stevens
Roy
Campbell:
Gretzky
Bure
Linden
Blake
Chelios
Belfour
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Some of those names really took me back -- especially names like Zarley Zalapski, whom I only really knew because of his funny name.
Also, I didn't remember that Tampa Bay started out in the Campbell Conference.
I like your selections, except that Gretzky was injured a good chunk of the 92-93 season, so I'd probably pick Yzerman or Gilmour.
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I like your selections, except that Gretzky was injured a good chunk of the 92-93 season, so I'd probably pick Yzerman or Gilmour.
I don't remember that. I didn't see Yzerman's name on there for some reason, and I was actually questioning it. I'm good with Yzerman.
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That was the year Gilmour was on fire, breaking the Leafs franchise record for points (127) in a season, and finished second to Lemieux for the Hart Trophy.
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That was the year Gilmour was on fire, breaking the Leafs franchise record for points (127) in a season, and finished second to Lemieux for the Hart Trophy.
He was an absolute beast in the 93 Campbell Conference Finals against the Kings. That was an epic series!
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That was the year Gilmour was on fire, breaking the Leafs franchise record for points (127) in a season, and finished second to Lemieux for the Hart Trophy.
He was an absolute beast in the 93 Campbell Conference Finals against the Kings. That was an epic series!
TSN aired game 6 a couple weeks back. I recorded it, and still have to find the time to go back to it.
Kerry fucking Fraser. >:(
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1993 was perhaps the first of many gut punches I got as far as being a Blues fan and dealing with playoff losses (everything else prior was when I was younger and not as emotionally invested). After sweeping the Hawks in the first round and seeing CuJo continue to playing like a beast for most of the Toronto series in round 2, we got to Game 7 and got wiped out 6-0.
The 90's gave me a lot of great moments that are still among my favorite Blues moments ever (although many of them got demoted after last year :lol), but they also gave me more crushing moments than I care to remember. :facepalm: :facepalm:
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1993 was perhaps the first of many gut punches I got as far as being a Blues fan and dealing with playoff losses (everything else prior was when I was younger and not as emotionally invested). After sweeping the Hawks in the first round and seeing CuJo continue to playing like a beast for most of the Toronto series in round 2, we got to Game 7 and got wiped out 6-0.
The 90's gave me a lot of great moments that are still among my favorite Blues moments ever (although many of them got demoted after last year :lol), but they also gave me more crushing moments than I care to remember. :facepalm: :facepalm:
I think whoever won after that 2OT game 6 was gonna win the series. That wrap-around is etched in every Leafs fan's memory.
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The 90's gave me a lot of great moments that are still among my favorite Blues moments ever (although many of them got demoted after last year :lol), but they also gave me more crushing moments than I care to remember. :facepalm: :facepalm:
In the same drawer where I found that '93 ASG ballot, I also found a program from game for of the '98 first rounds series between the Kings and Blues. >:( >:( >:(
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Is anyone else making picks??
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I'm trying to remember who was having killer years in '92/'93 without going to hockey-reference, so this is me wingin it.
Wales:
Mogilny
Sundin
Lafontaine (since this was Lemieux's Hodgkins year)
Bourque
Leetch
Roy
Campbell:
Hull
Robitaille (though Bure was a very close 3rd)
Gilmour
Belfour
MacInnis
Coffey
And in checking the actual starting lineup, I'm 3/6 on Wales (Roy, Leetch and Bourque - Leetch was voted in, but unable to play due to injury); 3/6 on Campbell (Coffey, Hull, Belfour). Coulda been 4/6 if I went with Bure.
Also, Neely is a bit of a homer pick - he didn't even make the team, let alone the starting lineup! Then again, neither did Sundin (nor MacInnis for that matter :omg:)
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Colby Cave passed away. Very sad.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/the-nhl-needed-players-like-colby-cave-that-makes-his-death-even-more-tragic/ar-BB12tIbx?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=edgsp
I saw him a few times in Providence and he was easily the best player on the ice. The B's lineup is tough to crack though.
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Also, Neely is a bit of a homer pick
Yeah I guess. And again without going to hockey reference...
Neely was a fucking beast.
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Also, Neely is a bit of a homer pick
Yeah I guess. And again without going to hockey reference...
Neely was a fucking beast.
I agree... he was one of my favorite goal-scorers growing up.
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NESN has been showing every game of the 2011 Cup run. Game 7 in Vancouver is on tonight, and they have the whole team on a Zoom "Locker Room Time Machine"
https://nesn.com/2020/04/bruins-chat-live-stream-watch-2011-bs-relive-stanley-cup-game-7-win-over-canucks/
Pretty much everyone is on except for Horton.
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Pretty much everyone is on except for Horton.
Hoo?
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Hah!
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Pretty much everyone is on except for Horton.
Hoo?
Hah!
I wanna knoooooooow will you be my girl?
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Would someone in Chicago please explain what this means?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/blackhawks-fire-president-ceo-john-mcdonough/ar-BB13hFj3?li=BBnbfcL
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Would someone in Chicago please explain what this means?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/blackhawks-fire-president-ceo-john-mcdonough/ar-BB13hFj3?li=BBnbfcL
I'm not from Chicago, but I think it means he doesn't have a job anymore.
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Would someone in Chicago please explain what this means?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/blackhawks-fire-president-ceo-john-mcdonough/ar-BB13hFj3?li=BBnbfcL
I'm not from Chicago, but I think it means he doesn't have a job anymore.
I think it's code for "Our team has been sucking now and we are turfing a scapegoat in upper office to see if we can regain our former glory again." Then again, I can never understand what the CEO/President of a team does that's different than what GMs do.
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Would someone in Chicago please explain what this means?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/blackhawks-fire-president-ceo-john-mcdonough/ar-BB13hFj3?li=BBnbfcL
I'm not from Chicago, but I think it means he doesn't have a job anymore.
I think it's code for "Our team has been sucking now and we are turfing a scapegoat in upper office to see if we can regain our former glory again." Then again, I can never understand what the CEO/President of a team does that's different than what GMs do.
Well...I imagine it's different from team to team, but using the LA Kings as an example, the GM is Rob Blake, and the President is Luc Robitaille. Blake is the highest ranking guy in the organization in terms of hockey operations and the conduct of the team. While he reports to Robitaille, Robitaille has little or no say in hockey decisions. Rather, Robitaille oversees the team's business operations (tickets, stadium operations, advertising, etc.). If the Kings were to fire Robitaille, it would would have little or no impact on the hockey operations. Again, I have no idea whether other teams are organized in the same way.
By the way, Fox Sports started running all of the games from the 2012 Stanley Cup Final against the Devils. I watched the third period and overtime of game 1 last night. The Kopitar game winner and Justin Williams's assist that set it up were things of beauty!
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Nope, no they weren't >:(
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Any time I think of the Kings, my mind goes to the 2014 Finals and I start to get sad again.
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Losing the Stanley Cup Finals is fucking crushing.
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Losing the Stanley Cup Finals is fucking crushing.
A friend of mine (who doesn't like hockey) asked me last spring, would you rather the Blues lose in the first round or in the finals? My immediate answer was, "In the finals. It is always better to go as far as possible." But in retrospect, I am not sure I now agree. That entire run was so stressful and if the Blues had lost the series, it would have been the biggest kick in the balls ever (keep in mind that to fans like me and Gary, we had never seen our team get that far, as opposed to you and Joe for example, who saw your team win a Cup less than a decade ago). You'd almost rather be put out of your misery early in the playoffs than have to endure that kind of heartbreak at the very end.
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Losing the Stanley Cup Finals is fucking crushing.
A friend of mine (who doesn't like hockey) asked me last spring, would you rather the Blues lose in the first round or in the finals? My immediate answer was, "In the finals. It is always better to go as far as possible." But in retrospect, I am not sure I now agree. That entire run was so stressful and if the Blues had lost the series, it would have been the biggest kick in the balls ever (keep in mind that to fans like me and Gary, we had never seen our team get that far, as opposed to you and Joe for example, who saw your team win a Cup less than a decade ago). You'd almost rather be put out of your misery early in the playoffs than have to endure that kind of heartbreak at the very end.
That is the absolute truth. I used to have a saying. When the Bruins were eliminated each year, I would always say, "Now I can enjoy the playoffs."
It's weird because as I was watching the run up to the 2011 cup, it was hard to watch because of last year. In some ways, it made me feel worse, but in some ways, it helped me come to grips. I can't wait for a new champion. I mean, the Blues were on a couple times a week, the all star game was in St. Louis. I mean, you can't escape it. :lol
Even though Boston sports teams have won 12 championships in the last 19 years, there's been 6 combined championship losses, and every one of those kill, like opportunities that slipped away.
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Losing the Stanley Cup Finals is fucking crushing.
A friend of mine (who doesn't like hockey) asked me last spring, would you rather the Blues lose in the first round or in the finals? My immediate answer was, "In the finals. It is always better to go as far as possible." But in retrospect, I am not sure I now agree. That entire run was so stressful and if the Blues had lost the series, it would have been the biggest kick in the balls ever (keep in mind that to fans like me and Gary, we had never seen our team get that far, as opposed to you and Joe for example, who saw your team win a Cup less than a decade ago). You'd almost rather be put out of your misery early in the playoffs than have to endure that kind of heartbreak at the very end.
I have a different perspective. I didn't start following hockey until around 1991. At that point, the Kings were a 20-something year old franchise that had never had a ton of success and had never made it past the second round of the playoffs. Despite having extracted Gretzky from Edmonton, they had lost to the Oilers three straight years and finished in third place in their division. Although Edmonton didn't make the playoffs in 93, nothing much was expected. That playoff run (and especially the conference finals against Toronto) was amazing. Even thought the loss to Montreal in the SCF was gut-wrenching (even more so because of HOW it happened), The Kings didn't win another playoff game until 2001 and didn't qualify for the playoffs in 11 of the seasons between 93/94 and 08/09 (and effectively didn't show up in 98 and 00). THAT was terrible, so even before 2012, I wanted to see the Kings go as far as possible in the playoffs.
I'm curious what everyone's thoughts are about the fate of the team that beats your team in the playoffs. Do you want that team to win it all (so that you can say, "well, it took the eventual Cup winner to beat us") or do you want that team to lose as soon and badly as possible? I always pull for the latter.
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I always root against Boston.
It's been so long since the Leafs won a series, I don't know how to answer the earlier question. I am still bitter about Gretzky's high stick on Gilmour. TSN replayed that game a few weeks ago. >:( But otherwise, that was a great series.
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I'm curious what everyone's thoughts are about the fate of the team that beats your team in the playoffs. Do you want that team to win it all (so that you can say, "well, it took the eventual Cup winner to beat us") or do you want that team to lose as soon and badly as possible? I always pull for the latter.
I prefer to not lose to the eventual Cup winner, I suppose.
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That is the absolute truth. I used to have a saying. When the Bruins were eliminated each year, I would always say, "Now I can enjoy the playoffs."
It's weird because as I was watching the run up to the 2011 cup, it was hard to watch because of last year. In some ways, it made me feel worse, but in some ways, it helped me come to grips. I can't wait for a new champion. I mean, the Blues were on a couple times a week, the all star game was in St. Louis. I mean, you can't escape it. :lol
Even though Boston sports teams have won 12 championships in the last 19 years, there's been 6 combined championship losses, and every one of those kill, like opportunities that slipped away.
I have used that line a few times as well. :lol
In fact, when the Blues missed the playoffs a few times in the last 15 years, I usually say, "At least I can enjoy the playoffs without any stress!" :lol :lol
I'm curious what everyone's thoughts are about the fate of the team that beats your team in the playoffs. Do you want that team to win it all (so that you can say, "well, it took the eventual Cup winner to beat us") or do you want that team to lose as soon and badly as possible? I always pull for the latter.
I almost always want the team that beats the Blues to go down in flames as quickly as possible. Sure, there are times where you can tell yourself, "See, we lost to the eventual champs and if we had just beaten them...," but that is just a way of coddling yourself.
It's been so long since the Leafs won a series, I don't know how to answer the earlier question. I am still bitter about Gretzky's high stick on Gilmour. TSN replayed that game a few weeks ago. >:( But otherwise, that was a great series.
I don't blame ya. Had the Blues lost the series to the Sharks last year, I would have went to my grave cursing those freaking refs for the uncalled hand pass in Game 3. :censored :censored :censored
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I mean, cmon... 8 fucking stitches! His chin didn't cut itself.
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I am still bitter about Gretzky's high stick on Gilmour.
I'm still bitter about the Blues running Glimour out of town. Who care's if you shagged your babysitter....he's a heck of a player.
Losing the Stanley Cup Finals is fucking crushing.
Well....I can say that had the Blues lost last year it'd have been DEVASTATING. But oddly....with the way that season and playoff was going.....i never feared them losing. If not for the (2) BS suspensions that series doesn't go 7 but I digress :biggrin: Now, I'm not downplaying the gut punch it must have felt like to you and Joe....but, you do have a 'recent' Cup win and live in an area where Championships abound.
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I am still bitter about Gretzky's high stick on Gilmour.
I'm still bitter about the Blues running Glimour out of town. Who care's if you shagged your babysitter....he's a heck of a player.
I'm still bitter about that arbitrator ripping Scott Stevens away from us. >:( >:(
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I'm still bitter about that arbitrator ripping Scott Stevens away from us. >:( >:(
This is the largest BS thing that has ever happened to an NHL franchise. Period. Outright thievery and behind the scenes favoritism. Every time I re-read and investigate what actually went down my blood boils.
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So on May 24, 1988, I went to Game 4 of the Stanley Cup Finals. That's the game the lights went out. Believe it or not, the tickets were actually refunded, so we got to watch half a game of the Gretzky Oilers for free. The bad news was that the Cup was in the building, and we were really hoping to see it.
Here's some (not so great) pics I took during pregame warm ups.
(https://i.imgur.com/AXaH4c3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/EzNl2x6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/be1v03i.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/u9zvPpa.jpg)
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Pretty cool stuff Tim :tup
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Nice pics!
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Cool pics!
Game 4 of Blues/Hawks in the 1st round in 2016 is on right now. I know we are going to win this game, yet the lopsided officiating is still aggravating the crap out of me. :lol :lol >:( >:(
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You guys are brutal, man.
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Trust me, this one was bad. Corey Crawford, the Hawks goalie, instigated a fight and a scuffle, and despite their being no clear violations by either team during the scuffle, the Blues somehow came out of it shorthanded. And then the Hawks scored a PP goal of course.
Thank God I know that we win this game or else I'd be raging like it was last spring all over again. :eek :eek :lol :lol
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It must be in the water out there? Are you guys like this with baseball?
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Well, we did have a World Series basically stolen from us once (f'ing Denkinger), but going down the rabbit hole of bitching about balls and strikes is dangerous. That shit will drive you to drink. :lol
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So will Jeff Suppan's baserunning. :lol
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Or Manny Ramirez "being Manny." :lol
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The most hilarious thing he ever did was cut off Johnny Damon's throw from center field. I still laugh hysterically watching it.
(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/58d053a4ebbd1aecb860980d/1515083881172-J74J4LVVUNKGJQI4XSU1/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kIisVeufsLaqPYS75OuX1FxZw-zPPgdn4jUwVcJE1ZvWEtT5uBSRWt4vQZAgTJucoTqqXjS3CfNDSuuf31e0tVGUIyZMpo6jDvOlV8ELZznZDi-rr9EJ6o3n8IpvEJDIMaEcAfnVBrEqrgp1UxUHGkY/damon+cutoff.gif)
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Anyway, back to hockey. TAC, those are some great pics. I would have loved to see Neely and Bourque go up against that stacked Edmonton team.
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It wasn't even close, honestly. The B's were up and Craig Simpson had just tied it at 3-3 when the lights went out. I was so excited to see the Cup.
I don't remember there being an announcement, but the ushers came up the aisles telling everyone to leave.
My brother dialed and redialed for an hour and a half for those tickets.
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I remember falling asleep trying to stay awake only to have my brother and friend wake me up when they were upset with the game winning goal happened.
I had to be up at 5am for work.
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Well, FSN West is currently showing all of the Kings' wins in the Stanley Cup Finals in 2012 and 2014 this week and Game 3 was on today. I got some interesting stories of where I was at in life during that Finals run in 2012, but for me to tell this story right, I need to give a little backstory of where I was at in life in 2011. Getting ready, this is another one of those lengthy wordy stories I like to tell at times.
So around April 2011, I wasn't really in a good place in life. I got ADQ'ed in Cal Poly Pomona because I just didn't care about Computer Science. Online Poker (the one thing I thought I could make decent money in, but basically sucked at money management at the time) in the states was going to go downhill due to many reasons that you can read elsewhere. Not only that, around the same period of time that the Kings faced the Sharks for the first of four times, last decade, I had suffered some major diarrhea issues. It may have came from me eating Taco Bell around the time, there was a scare eating at that place. I can't remember the details.
So I was retaking a course in Cal Poly (under the extended university thing which costs a lot more than if you were taking a regular course for a degree) to try to save face and hope to come back there in the future, and I don't know what happened, but on April 19th, 2011, that was officially the worst day of my life. I had diarrhea issues, I was listening to Game 3 on the radio with crappy internet speed, and the Kings ran off to a 4-0 lead in the first period and somehow lost the game in OT and they had to go through all of this without Kopitar who was injured within the last few weeks of the season. I've always hated the Sharks since then. To add insult, Daniel Negreanu (famous poker player) went from being a poker idol of mine to being hated enemy in an instant when he jinxed the Kings when they had the lead in that game and cannot shut the f' up on Twitter about how they are going to be fine without Kopitar in the series and then after the game ended, he went all "Oops, I didn't know how to keep my mouth shut." and he tweeted it in such a smarmy approach that made me hate the guy forever. That was one of the few occasions of my life where I really wanted to punch a person so badly. Thankfully, he got to suffer last year in Game 7 when the Golden Knights (he lives in Vegas, of course) lost to the Sharks in the way they did (obviously, we here can argue all day about how BS that major penalty was), so I don't hate him as much now.
So fast forward, I was taking random classes here and there at Mt. Sac Community College to see where my life wants to go and I thought I wanted to go into Accounting (mainly off of being inspired by Duff McKagan and his 1st autobiography and how he went back to school and learned about finance and business in the late 90s-00s despite being in one of the biggest bands in history). So I was taking a random computer Autocad course so that I can improve my chances of getting in line in getting into needed courses to start my accounting program. So in that Kings' 2012 playoff, I've spent my days doing that course and watching the games on the side (it was a night course). It also helped a lot that a guy that sat next to me in class was also a Kings' fan and was also watching the games in that great run. We were both doing well in the class so I don't think the professor minded at all that we were watching hockey on the side. I remember Game 3 of the Cup finals where Kings took so many dang penalties (including having to kill a 5 on 3 for a lengthy period of time) and we were killing all of them. I might have shouted out loud in class saying, "ANOTHER PENALTY???"
Flash forward, three games later, that was a pretty pivotal day not just for the franchise, but life as I know it. That morning, I was dropping my sister off from the train station (she actually works for the Kings in the marketing department) and as I was heading home, I had a nasty car accident. I was making my turn and this lady ran a red light and crashed on right front side of my car. There was smoke everywhere, bags popped up and the air bag doesn't smell very pleasant, surprise, surprise. Manage to get my car to the right side of the street and I was in a very subtle state of shock and had bruises, but no major physical injury. My initial thought when I came to was "my parents are not going to be happy about it." The person that crash came to me to apologize, then a security guard of the train station came by to inspect and then he reached out to the local police to do the reporting. Then I called my parents so that they can do what they need to do in regards to insurance and whatnot. Still drove to my community college that evening with a different car and it was the last day of school and watched the game. I still joke to this day that I think I took one for the team that day, because if I hadn't got into that car accident that day, I don't think we would have won Game 6 in the fashion we did (we may have won game 6, but it wouldn't be in the dominating fashion that they did it with that big major penalty that lead to the 3 PP goals and we were sucking on the PP throughout the entire season). Although, I think my favorite goal of that game was when Brown had the puck and one of the Devils ran into one of the refs in their zone trying to get to Brown, and it eventually led to Carter getting a goal.
That 2012 cup run represents the turning point of my life as I had some direction going from nowhere to wanting to go get an Associates program in Accounting. That 2014 cup run represents another turning point of my life as I went from getting that Associates degree to being accepted back into Cal Poly Pomona and getting my Bachelor's degree in Accounting and naturally here I am now with a decent paying job for three years. Good times.
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Cool story, bro! :tup
(mainly off of being inspired by Duff McKagan and his 1st autobiography and how he went back to school and learned about finance and business in the late 90s-00s despite being in one of the biggest bands in history).
Not only likely the best rock autobiography I've read, but one of the best books I've read in general. Amazing.
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Game 3 of the 2012 SCF was epic. First SCF game I ever attended. I think I was about halfway up in the middle of section 317 or 318. That Williams to Brown to Kopitar tic-tac-toe goal was amazing, as was the Kings' penalty kill.
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https://www.tsn.ca/the-all-time-7-tsn-s-toronto-maple-leafs-all-time-team-1.1472432
What do you think, Chad?
No Sittler??
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https://www.tsn.ca/the-all-time-7-tsn-s-toronto-maple-leafs-all-time-team-1.1472432
What do you think, Chad?
No Sittler??
Only three players who played post-1990 and only two who played in this century.
Ouch.
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https://www.tsn.ca/the-all-time-7-tsn-s-toronto-maple-leafs-all-time-team-1.1472432
What do you think, Chad?
No Sittler??
Only three players who played post-1990 and only two who played in this century.
Ouch.
Well, from an original six team, and they’ve barely made the playoffs in the last 20 years, and no Cup finals lest alone a win in 50+, this is completely understandable.
Hard to argue with this list, given the required criteria.
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Curious to see how they end up handling the draft, the Devils have two conditional first-round picks this year.
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Tonight/Tomorrow/Sunday, TSN is airing all three games of the '87 Canada Cup final between USSR and Canada. While I don't remember the specifics of those games - other than the Game 3 game-winning goal (Gretzky to Lemieux - it's an iconic goal), I do remember that those three games, and the '89 Stanley Cup Finals are etched in my memory as some of the best hockey I ever witnessed. I've had the full games saved on YT for a while, but getting to see them re-broadcast will be most enjoyable.
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Nice! Unfortunately it doesn't look like the NHL Network is taking part in that. they have the 2020 All Star Game and then some gaming challenge. WTF?
I'll be watching the Sox win the 2004 World Series tonight.
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I'll be watching the Sox win the 2004 World Series tonight.
The most anticlimactic World Series win ever.
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No kidding.
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So they're showing the run up to the Bruins Cup in 1970 tonight, showing highlights against the Rangers, Hawks, and finally the Blues.
I love watching these old clips. It looks like a damn beer league! :lol
But holy shit, Bobby Orr was on another planet.
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So they're showing the run up to the Bruins Cup in 1970 tonight, showing highlights against the Rangers, Hawks, and finally the Blues.
I love watching these old clips. It looks like a damn beer league! :lol
But holy shit, Bobby Orr was on another planet.
Such a different game in the 70s and 80s. You could practically commit manslaughter on the ice and not get a penalty. Guys are taking 90 second shifts; a PP unit plays the entire 2 mins.
Today's players are pussies. :lol
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Such a different game in the 70s and 80s. You could practically commit manslaughter on the ice and not get a penalty. Guys are taking 90 second shifts; a PP unit plays the entire 2 mins.
Today's players are pussies. :lol
Hockey is still the best sport, IMO, but it seems like there a lot less fights and scuffles nowadays, probably because of the instigator penalty that was instituted that makes player less likely now to, well, instigate a fight, and the rivalries don't seem quite as fierce now as a result. Maybe I just long for another rivalry like the Wings/Avs one of the later 90's/early 00's; those teams hated each other with a passion, and it was awesome.
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Such a different game in the 70s and 80s. You could practically commit manslaughter on the ice and not get a penalty. Guys are taking 90 second shifts; a PP unit plays the entire 2 mins.
Today's players are pussies. :lol
Yeah. If you watch a highlight reel of Gretzky's first handful of years/goals.....there were A LOT of pretty weak/soft ones. Those goalies were pretty bad.
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Watching those games from 1970 and the soft goals the Bruins scored against the Rangers. It was like the goalies weren't even trying.
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Watching those games from 1970 and the soft goals the Bruins scored against the Rangers. It was like the goalies weren't even trying.
It’s weird because you know they were ‘trying’ but they just look so bad.
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I think the factors on why goaltenders back then looked pretty bad and let in soft goals could be these reasons. Some say it's due to equipment not being as great as they are now. Others say there were no goaltender coaches back then to really give goaltenders the focus they need to improve their game.
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I think the factors on why goaltenders back then looked pretty bad and let in soft goals could be these reasons. Some say it's due to equipment not being as great as they are now. Others say there were no goaltender coaches back then to really give goaltenders the focus they need to improve their game.
I can see that. It’s a position that’s certainly evolved a lot.
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What's really crazy is that even though goaltending is more consistent than it used to be across the board, there hasn't been a goalie come into the league in the last 20 years who can come close to the level of greatness of guys like Hasek, Brodeur and Roy. I mean, is there a singe goalie from the last 10-15 years who is a lock to make the Hall of Fame?
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What's really crazy is that even though goaltending is more consistent than it used to be across the board, there hasn't been a goalie come into the league in the last 20 years who can come close to the level of greatness of guys like Hasek, Brodeur and Roy. I mean, is there a singe goalie from the last 10-15 years who is a lock to make the Hall of Fame?
That’s the difference though. Those guys were just men among boys. Now there’s more continuity in the position. No absolute dominant superstars but there are 8-10 really good ones out there.
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https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/last-10-nhl-seasons-goalies-stats.html
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NHL Network is now showing the B's-Nordiques from 1991. It is the Ron Tugnutt 70 save game. So weird to see Guy Lafluer playing for Quebec.
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What's really crazy is that even though goaltending is more consistent than it used to be across the board, there hasn't been a goalie come into the league in the last 20 years who can come close to the level of greatness of guys like Hasek, Brodeur and Roy. I mean, is there a singe goalie from the last 10-15 years who is a lock to make the Hall of Fame?
Lundqvist.
Also, notice how so few of them go down on their knees? The butterfly didn’t really become common until the 80s, and even still, a goalie’s first instinct on a shot isn’t to go down as it is nowadays.
And yeah, equipment.
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.goaliesarchive.com%2Fislanders%2Fgoalie%2Fhrudey.jpg&hash=060bdeb05568f7f93bd63236d7ac87656ee593bf)
(https://nhl.bamcontent.com/images/photos/313242186/1024x576/cut.jpg)
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I think Lunquist will get in. Rinne, Quick.
If Rask could have won a Cup in his two trips to the Finals you'd have to look at him too. He has a Vezina and was en route to another this year. 60 Min away from a Conn Smythe too.
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What's really crazy is that even though goaltending is more consistent than it used to be across the board, there hasn't been a goalie come into the league in the last 20 years who can come close to the level of greatness of guys like Hasek, Brodeur and Roy. I mean, is there a singe goalie from the last 10-15 years who is a lock to make the Hall of Fame?
Lundqvist is a lock. He’s a top 20 goalie of all time, and certainly the best of this generation. His lack of a Stanley Cup is the only thing keeping him from the top 5 imo.
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Eh, King Henrik feels a bit overhyped. He has only one Vezina Trophy. I am sure he will get in, as playing in NY always helps, but he doesn't feel close to the level of the Big 3 of Roy, Brodeur and Hasek.
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He's #1 in the heart of wives. Lol. My wife and sister in law would fight over him.
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So a guy that I somewhat follow on Youtube for hockey content, UrinatingTree, posted a recent video about the career of Mike Keenan as a coach and GM. It's rather fascinating how he can be successful, was able to coach a team to a Stanley Cup, get fired by so many NHL teams, was power hungry and he ended up becaming coach and GM at the same time, pissed off players, and found success in the modern times in Russia. A volatile career, indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryx0HxlTfK0
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I actually own and have read this book:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/516CQD34S5L._SX310_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
Probably read it 20 years ago, but I remember it being very short on interesting details. Must've been authorized.
I remember when he was coach of the Bruins (NO idea why harry Sinden hired him), he would have the players on the bikes AFTER games. WTF? Post game interviews were done while guys were cycling. I don't remember him coaching after that.
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@ Chad... I'm seeing Marner and Selke in the media headlines. What is this all about? Did he recently state this was a goal of his? If the Toronto Media trying to give him some love to offset Matthews coverage?
He's never struck me as a defensive player.
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He hustles hard, that's for sure. I wouldn't say he does anything spectacular, but he doesn't fuck up that much. He's on the PK unit, and is one of the guys that will regularly be on the ice in the final minute of a 1-goal lead ... so Babs/Keefe have had faith in him for quite a while.
I haven't been watching any sports news, as I really don't think there's any chance of the leagues coming back. I think they're gonna try, but I think it's a dumb move. I hope I'm wrong, but I fear that a few weeks into 'training camp' or re-starts, one of the leagues will have a case of COVID, and it'll all just get shut down again. Plus, hearing what some of the conditions are that MLB is going to institute is a serious WTF is even the point?
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I haven't been watching any sports news, as I really don't think there's any chance of the leagues coming back. I think they're gonna try, but I think it's a dumb move. I hope I'm wrong, but I fear that a few weeks into 'training camp' or re-starts, one of the leagues will have a case of COVID, and it'll all just get shut down again. Plus, hearing what some of the conditions are that MLB is going to institute is a serious WTF is even the point?
the last number I heard for the NHL is if they can get this Playoff format in they've proposed they can still collectively 'make' 1.4 Billion dollars. That's a hefty incentive to try and get it done but I'm with you....all it takes is one or two cases of players getting COVID and you're done.
These leagues need to realize it's a high risk and give in to the fact they're gonna take it in the gut just like the rest of the country/economy......and get to work on figuring out how to making next season work. This season is a lost cause.
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Not like I won't watch, but this idea of having 24 playoff teams is gross. Get ready for the 23rd best team to win the Covid Cup because all of the best teams going into the 2nd round with zero momentum as a result of having not played for three months and then playing a couple of scrimmage games under the guise of getting them back to form.
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Not like I won't watch, but this idea of having 24 playoff teams is gross. Get ready for the 23rd best team to win the Covid Cup because all of the best teams going into the 2nd round with zero momentum as a result of having not played for three months and then playing a couple of scrimmage games under the guise of getting them back to form.
No shit. Buffalo just might win their first championship!
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A co-worker talked about this the other day, how relieved we are that the Blues won it last year, otherwise this year could have been seen as a major missed opportunity if they didn't win it (since this is arguably the best Blues team ever outside of last year's), and if this team would win it after they resume the season, it would have felt tainted for their first Cup win to be won like this. First world problems, I know. :lol
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A co-worker talked about this the other day, how relieved we are that the Blues won it last year, otherwise this year could have been seen as a major missed opportunity if they didn't win it (since this is arguably the best Blues team ever outside of last year's), and if this team would win it after they resume the season, it would have felt tainted for their first Cup win to be won like this. First world problems, I know. :lol
I don't view this year's Cup as tainted in anyway, no matter wins won it. I don't think any of the bottom feeders in the "tournament" are going to make it anyway.
Why would anyone think this is tainted?
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Because it will not be won organically. There is no way of knowing which teams will be able to recapture whatever momentum they had prior to the stoppage. You can't just turn it back on like a water faucet. Sure, all teams are starting from scratch again, in a manner of speaking, but it just feels like it will be tainted. And that is not even factoring in that the games will all likely be played in empty arenas.
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I think it is what it is, and the whoever wins the Cup should not be held against them.
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Maybe you are right.
Or maybe I will wait and see who wins it before I decide one way or the other. :P :lol
Note: if the Blackhawks win it, it is automatically invalid.
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I mean the 2013 Blackhawks won the cup in a shortened scheduled season (48 regular season games) and were dominating most of those games. Can any non-Blues fans say that was a "tainted" win?
I personally don't approve of this 24-team structure, myself (especially, since I wish the Kings would have tried harder in some games if we knew this was coming), but this is I guess NHL's attempt to salvage some revenue and at this point, in this pandemic, if there's money to made, people will take it.
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I mean the 2013 Blackhawks won the cup in a shortened scheduled season (48 regular season games) and were dominating most of those games. Can any non-Blues fans say that was a "tainted" win?
We lost in the finals and that wasn't tainted at all. That finals was some of the best hockey I've ever seen.
That whole playoff was great.
Or maybe I will wait and see who wins it before I decide one way or the other. :P :lol
Obviously.
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I think it is what it is, and the whoever wins the Cup should not be held against them.
Same here. In fact, I think the opposite. This might be the hardest Cup to win. Every team will be (most likely) healthy and rearing to go. Every team is in the same boat. Now, I'm not a fan of the best teams having to wait and play a team who is going to have a few games under their belts but it is what it is. They're professionals and they'll deal with it.
This Cup will always stand out given the circumstances but I don't think it should be tainted in anyway. I honestly feel for whichever team wins it. Their fans really won't get to 'enjoy' it with them. No celebrations or parades....no crowds....just seems weird. But a Cup is a Cup.
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Now, I'm not a fan of the best teams having to wait and play a team who is going to have a few games under their belts but it is what it is.
Well, this is part of the plan I'm not cool with. It sounds like they may have the top 4 teams play a mini tournament amongst themselves while the play ins are going on. Problem is, it may be used to reseed the Top 4 teams in each conference. That could mean the Blues (and Bruins) could lose their Top Seed.
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I am not overly concerned about seeding since home ice means so little in the NHL playoffs (and would mean squat this time around with playing in empty arenas). The idea of a team that has no business being in the playoffs making a deep playoff run is far more annoying.
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The idea of a team that has no business being in the playoffs making a deep playoff run is far more annoying.
For sure.
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The idea of a team that has no business being in the playoffs making a deep playoff run is far more annoying.
For sure.
Yeah....I get that.
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Problem is, it may be used to reseed the Top 4 teams in each conference. That could mean the Blues (and Bruins) could lose their Top Seed.
I agree that this scenario would suck for fans of these teams (Oilers would be in the play-in tournament anyway so it's not an issue for my team). However, unless those games have some kind of meaning they won't serve as reasonable prep for actual playoff hockey. A tournament with some value would at least mimic regular season intensity, i would think. It's about making the best of a shitty, unprecedented situation.
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Problem is, it may be used to reseed the Top 4 teams in each conference. That could mean the Blues (and Bruins) could lose their Top Seed.
I agree that this scenario would suck for fans of these teams (Oilers would be in the play-in tournament anyway so it's not an issue for my team). However, unless those games have some kind of meaning they won't serve as reasonable prep for actual playoff hockey. A tournament with some value would at least mimic regular season intensity, i would think. It's about making the best of a shitty, unprecedented situation.
Yep. And, I'm still not convinced it's gonna happen. They're trying hard, I'll give them that but I still can't believe this will realistically happen.
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While I have recited what I've heard, I am not keeping up to date with any of the major sports' plans. I'm trying to more or less ignore any news, because it does seem quite far away.
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The hub city concept could work. We have almost no covid cases in metro Edmonton, which is shocking for a area with a population of 1.5 million. All our cases are in the Calgary area. We have a brand new arena with attached practice facility and rink, with pedway access to a 4 star JW Marriott hotel. They could isolate the crap out of people with the set up here. I'm feeling 65/35% in terms of yes playoffs/no playoffs
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https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/positive-tests-of-a-few-players-will-not-lead-to-full-shutdown-of-nhls-return-to-play-process/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1590434232 (https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/positive-tests-of-a-few-players-will-not-lead-to-full-shutdown-of-nhls-return-to-play-process/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1590434232)
Sounds like practices in early June, in cohorts of 6 players max that would only practice amongst themselves. Interesting
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The only problem with having a Canadian city as a hub, is you'd have to have all 12 teams from one conference in Canada, then there'd be a 2 week gap before the finals could start. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it, but I don't see the (American) advertisers being too keen on that.
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Right. I didn't think Trudeau was going to go for it.
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Right. I didn't think Trudeau was going to go for it.
His stance is that they need to quarantine for 14 days upon arrival since they're international travellers.
Good point, chad, that the league likely doesn't want to have to cross the border at all.
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David Pastrnak co winner of the Rocket Richard Award.
He just turned 24 yesterday.
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The draft lottery percentages as it is.
(https://i.imgur.com/i1qAEH4.png)
In hindsight, Kings should have pushed harder to lose to Senators in the last game before the stoppage. Having a six-game winning streak was already overachieving for that team. On the other hand, it would have meant that the Senators would have had a 23% chance at securing #1 instead of 25% that they have now. Nice going, Sharks. How's that Erik Karlsson signing at $11.5M a year paying dividends for you so far?
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The draft lottery percentages as it is.
(https://i.imgur.com/i1qAEH4.png)
In hindsight, Kings should have pushed harder to lose to Senators in the last game before the stoppage. Having a six-game winning streak was already overachieving for that team. On the other hand, it would have meant that the Senators would have had a 23% chance at securing #1 instead of 25% that they have now. Nice going, Sharks. How's that Erik Karlsson signing at $11.5M a year paying dividends for you so far?
Translation: the Kings have a 100% chance of not getting the #1 pick.
And I very much disagree that the Kings (or any other team) should try to lose. It's one thing, organizationally, to cut loose/trade veterans who might help win a few more games now, in favor of getting young guys some experience. But once you're on the ice, you play to win.
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So this week, on NESN it's Cam Neely week. Great! Old games!
Last night was a game against the LA Kings in 1989. I totally forgot Larry Robinson played for the Kings, as well as Barry Beck and John Tonelli.
Tonight, it was Game 2 of the 1990 Adams Division Finals. As much as I despised the Canadiens, this team had a number of my favorite players from this era: Brian Skrudland, Guy Carbonneau, Mike Keane, Mike McPhee.
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So this week, on NESN it's Cam Neely week. Great! Old games!
Last night was a game against the LA Kings in 1989. I totally forgot Larry Robinson played for the Kings, as well as Barry Beck and John Tonelli.
Tonight, it was Game 2 of the 1990 Adams Division Finals. As much as I despised the Canadiens, this team had a number of my favorite players from this era: Brian Skrudland, Guy Carbonneau, Mike Keane, Mike McPhee.
When Bruce McNall owned the Kings, it seemed to be his goal to sign every former superstar on his last legs (caveat: I've never heard of Barry Beck, so I don't know if that description is apt for him). He seemed to have little realization that, without quality young players to learn from guys like that, all he was doing was putting a team of past-their-prime players on the ice.
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Barry Beck started out with the Rockies. He was a beast. He also played for the Rangers. May have even become their captain. He was most definitely on his last legs in LA.
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Barry Beck started out with the Rockies. He was a beast. He also played for the Rangers. May have even become their captain. He was most definitely on his last legs in LA.
I knew Robinson ended his career with the Kings. Beck did as well (after one mediocre year in which he played 52 games). Tonelli played one season with the Hawks and Nords after three with the Kings. Robinson was still with the Kings when I started following them. Beck and Tonelli were gone, but I heard a bunch about Tonelli.
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I was a huge Islander fan when I was a kid, so I loved John Tonelli. Just so happens, the game they showed between the B's-Kings, Tonelli scored two goals! :metal
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Not to bring this here, but I would have Patrice Bergeron's baby.
https://weei.radio.com/blogs/scott-mclaughlin/patrice-bergeron-releases-statement-donates-to-naacp
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Hockey is still the best sport, IMO, but it seems like there a lot less fights and scuffles nowadays, probably because of the instigator penalty that was instituted that makes player less likely now to, well, instigate a fight, and the rivalries don't seem quite as fierce now as a result. Maybe I just long for another rivalry like the Wings/Avs one of the later 90's/early 00's; those teams hated each other with a passion, and it was awesome.
I was wearing a Red Wing tee shirt while doing yard work, and a new neighbor was walking by and commented on it. I'm originally from Michigan, he's originally from Colorado. Much respect now for those long ago days, but we were both honest: we HATED the other team, though the Wings didn't have anyone as dirty as Claude Lemieux. I hate fighting in hockey, have always liked how the college game deals with it, but I have to admit, I had a couple of friends over, and the beat down of the Avs in '97.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Avalanche%E2%80%93Detroit_Red_Wings_brawl
Moving on: the NHL is close to agreeing to their playoff format. And daily C19 tests. This isn't the good ol' 'pee in a cup' test. I'm no doctor, but I'm wondering what damage this 'brain sucking' swabbing will do to all the individuals involved.
EDIT: Found out from a friend yesterday that he is tested weekly. Had the initial nose swab, and now it is a saliva swab. Obviously, much less painful. I didn't know this method was available.
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Yesterday was the anniversary of the Blues Cup win and Fox Sports Midwest replayed Game 7 last night with some commentary by various Blues at key points of the game. Very cool. It still doesn't seem real that they actually won the Stanley Cup.
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Welp. This could highly derail the postseason. Looks like Auston Matthews has Covid. Apparently, people from the Lightning organization has Covid as well. I would rather not see other people in the league get caught with it as well, scrap this season, and move on with the plans for the next season (whenever it may be), but Bettman probably has a way to reason with people to move forward with this postseason plans despite these setbacks.
https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2020/06/19/report-auston-matthews-tests-positive-for-covid-19-toronto-maple-leafs-nhl/
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I don't see how they can possibly attempt to have the postseason. Feels like it's time to bite the bullet, declare the season over, give the Cup to the Blues again, and hope you can find a way to have a 2020-2021 season.
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I don’t see how any person-to-person sports organization could (re)start. All seem to have cases in the league... whether players or support staff.
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I don't see how they can possibly attempt to have the postseason. Feels like it's time to bite the bullet, declare the season over, give the Cup to the Blues again, and hope you can find a way to have a 2020-2021 season.
Nope. Lol
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I don't see how they can possibly attempt to have the postseason. Feels like it's time to bite the bullet, declare the season over, give the Cup to the Blues again, and hope you can find a way to have a 2020-2021 season.
Nope. Lol
You don't want a 2020-2021 season?? WHY DO YOU HATE HOCKEY?? :P :P
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No, I'm not handing it over to you sarcastically or not. The B's were on a roll. I feel cheated. Well, we all do.
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Pretty much, yeah.
I think anyone expecting to see any team sports before next year is kidding themselves. Hockey, football, etc. Ain't gonna happen.
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Not how we all act. Nope.
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As disappointing as it would be, I don’t think the Stanley Cup should be awarded without a playoff, and I’m not sure if I want to see the playoffs either. The other league awards can still be awarded (I think the President’s Trophy would be a good consolation prize for the Bruins in these unprecedented times), but to resume actual play while still in the middle of a pandemic honestly isn’t the right thing to do.
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If there are no playoffs, there will be no Stanley Cup Champion recognized, and the distinguished gentlemen from St.Louis know that.
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If there are no playoffs, there will be no Stanley Cup Champion recognized, and the distinguished gentlemen from St.Louis know that.
Yep, but at least, they still claim that the Blues have won the previous Stanley Cup held, so they have that going for them.
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Is Marian Hossa really a HOFer?
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Is Marian Hossa really a HOFer?
500 plus goals and 3 Cups would seem to say yes.
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OK, just asking. :lol
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Hossa making it on his first try is a major wtf.
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Hossa's numbers are pretty good though. First ballot is a bit odd, but his goals, points and 3 cups are pretty impressive. And he was one of the integral pieces in the Hawks' cups.
I still don't think Lowe should be there. 6 cups or not, he has no business being in the Hall.
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Yeah...Lowe and Wilson are the big surprises on the list. The voters didn't see fit to put them in for more than 20 years, so what changed? Unless they're in on the strength of their careers as coaches/execs....
As for Hossa, he's #35 on the all-time goals list, and every eligible player ahead of him (with the exception of Keith Tkachuk) is in the HHOF. He's also #45 on the all-time +/- list (245 with only one full season on the negative side of the ledger).
I don't distinguish between "first ballot" and otherwise. If you belong in, then that's that.
I was surprised that Hossa and Iginla were eligible, but then I read that the waiting period is only three years.
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The thing about Hossa is that I don't think I ever felt he was one of the greatest players in the game.
Who else was on the ballot.
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The thing about Hossa is that I don't think I ever felt he was one of the greatest players in the game.
Who else was on the ballot.
I don't know who all was on the list as a finalist, but this article - https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2020/06/23/hockey-hall-of-fame-who-will-make-up-the-2020-class/ - lists some of the other eligible players:
Daniel Alfredsson
Alexander Mogilny
Rod Brind'Amour
Curtis Joseph
Boris Mikhailov (longtime member of the Soviet national team who never played in the NHL)
Jeremy Roenkick
Tom Barrasso
Shane Doan
Patrik Elias
Theo Fleury
Sergei Gonchar
Steve Larmer
Vincent Lecavalier
Jere Lehtinen
Kent Nilsson
Chris Osgood
Keith Tkachuk
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I feel like Alfredsson would've gone in before Hossa.
Steve Larmer is not in??
Do you think the dust up with Roenick may keep him out?
He was a beast with Chicago, and isn't he one of the all time top US players?
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Shit. Some big names on there.
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The lack of cup wins or appearances (I think only 1 in '07 with the Oil) is hurting CuJo. Otherwise, the #7 All-time winningest goalie (he was #5 to start the year ... Flower and King Henrik passed him) should be in the HOF.
It ain't right that cup rings can make a semi-great player a HOF'r, but a lack of rings makes an A-List great player not a HOF'r.
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Hossa would've never won a ring if he wasn't in Chicago.
I think I also thought Doug Wilson was already in too.
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I still get a chuckle when he flopped between Pitt and Detroit in '08 and '09 when they traded cups - and ended up on the wrong side both years! :lol
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I feel like Alfredsson would've gone in before Hossa.
525-609-1,134 > 444-713-1157 and 3 Cups >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0 Cups.
Steve Larmer is not in??
I remember him but not too well, and his best seasons were before I started watching hockey, but just looking at his numbers, he looks like a shoe-in for the Hall of Very Good.
Do you think the dust up with Roenick may keep him out?
He was a beast with Chicago, and isn't he one of the all time top US players?
Roenick is #4 on the list of U.S.-born goal scorers (behind Hull, Modano and Housley). His numbers are pretty similar to Hossa and Alfredsson. Not sure which of the many "dust ups" you're talking about, but I suspect his mouth has played some role in his lack of exclusion.
The lack of cup wins or appearances (I think only 1 in '07 with the Oil) is hurting CuJo. Otherwise, the #7 All-time winningest goalie (he was #5 to start the year ... Flower and King Henrik passed him) should be in the HOF.
I don't know.... He certainly suffered by playing at the same time as Roy, Brodeur and Hasek. Everyone else kinda paled in comparison. Also, CuJo never played in the SCF. The 2007 SCF was Anaheim over Ottawa, and CuJo was in Edmonton in the 90s (I think Edmonton's starter when they lost in 06 to Carolina was Dwayne Roloson). He showed up in Detroit in 2002, after they won the Cup. He had a really good regular season, but the Wings got Giguered in the first round of the 2003 playoffs. The closest he got to the SCF was when he was with the Leafs in 1999 and 2002. Notwithstanding his collection of regular season wins, I always had the impression that he was on the "very good but not great" level.
I still get a chuckle when he flopped between Pitt and Detroit in '08 and '09 when they traded cups - and ended up on the wrong side both years! :lol
As did I.
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Right... totally forgot the timing on when CuJo was with Edmonton. But I disagree on your overall take. He did make good teams very good/great. He just never had the chance to play on a team that was already on the verge of greatness. I don't see much difference between Roy and Brodeur and he (in that regard). Hasek was on a different level. He made mediocre teams great.... but even still, he didn't win a cup until he hitched his wagon to Detroit.
Swap CuJo with any of the teams that Brodeur and Roy won a cup with, and they still win the cup. Vice versa, Roy/Brodeur with any of CuJo's teams don't win the cup.
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Having watched CuJo in Edmonton during those Dallas/Colorado playoff years, i have to agree with Jingle. He gave a very mediocre Oilers team a chance to go 7 games against very good Stars and Avs teams. Between him and Doug Weight, they practically carried the team.
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Right... totally forgot the timing on when CuJo was with Edmonton. But I disagree on your overall take. He did make good teams very good/great. He just never had the chance to play on a team that was already on the verge of greatness. I don't see much difference between Roy and Brodeur and he (in that regard). Hasek was on a different level. He made mediocre teams great.... but even still, he didn't win a cup until he hitched his wagon to Detroit.
Swap CuJo with any of the teams that Brodeur and Roy won a cup with, and they still win the cup. Vice versa, Roy/Brodeur with any of CuJo's teams don't win the cup.
Maybe, but it's not like the Blues were short on talent while CuJo was there. Brett Hull, Adam Oates, Geoff Courtnall, Rod Brind'Amour and Brendan Shanahan were not exactly slouches.
I'd be a lot more confident in saying that a guy like Roy or Brodeur would have elevated those early 90s Blues teams than I would in saying that Roy's or Brodeur's teams wouldn't have lost a beat if they'd had CuJo instead.
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Right... totally forgot the timing on when CuJo was with Edmonton. But I disagree on your overall take. He did make good teams very good/great. He just never had the chance to play on a team that was already on the verge of greatness. I don't see much difference between Roy and Brodeur and he (in that regard). Hasek was on a different level. He made mediocre teams great.... but even still, he didn't win a cup until he hitched his wagon to Detroit.
Swap CuJo with any of the teams that Brodeur and Roy won a cup with, and they still win the cup. Vice versa, Roy/Brodeur with any of CuJo's teams don't win the cup.
Maybe, but it's not like the Blues were short on talent while CuJo was there. Brett Hull, Adam Oates, Geoff Courtnall, Rod Brind'Amour and Brendan Shanahan were not exactly slouches.
I'd be a lot more confident in saying that a guy like Roy or Brodeur would have elevated those early 90s Blues teams than I would in saying that Roy's or Brodeur's teams wouldn't have lost a beat if they'd had CuJo instead.
The 90's Blues teams were specifically designed to rip the heart out of their fans year after year. It was a beautiful design.....showed just enough grit and heart and talent to excite....made some noise but never failed to crush your soul.
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Right... totally forgot the timing on when CuJo was with Edmonton. But I disagree on your overall take. He did make good teams very good/great. He just never had the chance to play on a team that was already on the verge of greatness. I don't see much difference between Roy and Brodeur and he (in that regard). Hasek was on a different level. He made mediocre teams great.... but even still, he didn't win a cup until he hitched his wagon to Detroit.
Swap CuJo with any of the teams that Brodeur and Roy won a cup with, and they still win the cup. Vice versa, Roy/Brodeur with any of CuJo's teams don't win the cup.
Maybe, but it's not like the Blues were short on talent while CuJo was there. Brett Hull, Adam Oates, Geoff Courtnall, Rod Brind'Amour and Brendan Shanahan were not exactly slouches.
I'd be a lot more confident in saying that a guy like Roy or Brodeur would have elevated those early 90s Blues teams than I would in saying that Roy's or Brodeur's teams wouldn't have lost a beat if they'd had CuJo instead.
The 90's Blues teams were specifically designed to rip the heart out of their fans year after year. It was a beautiful design.....showed just enough grit and heart and talent to excite....made some noise but never failed to crush your soul.
So true. Some of those teams were good enough to win it all from the mid 90’s through early 00’s, but those damn Red Wings, Avs and Stars always got in the way.
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All right, Draft Lottery is today for all of us rooting for teams not in the playoffs. Will start in 20 minutes. Ottawa has a high shot of #1 with around 25% or so, then the Red Wings by lower margin, and then the Kings by a bigger margin. The kicker is that some teams that are in qualifying positions for playoffs may also end up getting #1.
These rules are really hard to understand, honestly. All I know is Kings ain't getting #1 and because of the way the draft lottery worked, last year, we may end up getting as low as 7th. Yep. Another kicker is that there's a slim chance that the Oilers loses against the Blackhawks in the qualifying round and they still could end up getting #1. Again..... Why is that a possibility (albeit very low)?
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The Wings could get the top three picks, and would still more than stink next year.
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And the pick goes to .... we don’t know.
:rollin
So what happens if/when the post season is COVID cancelled?
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So let me get this straight, for any team that loses in the qualifying rounds, they have a 12.5% chance of getting #1? Why is that even a possibility? I thought this system was supposed to favor teams that really sucks and punishes teams that could be marginally good/decent. At least the Kings got bumped up two spots and got #2, baby! Leapfrogging over Senators and Red Wings. It's a good feeling to have in addition with that 7 game winning streak in the end there. I'll take it, RNG gods.
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2020 NHL Draft lottery odds
TEAM PTS % ODDS
1. Wings .275 18.5
2. Sens .437 13.5
3. Sens .437 11.5
4. Kings .457 9.5
5. Ducks .472 8.5
6. Devils .493 7.5
7. Sabres .493 6.5
8. Team A n/a 6.0
9. Team B n/a 5.0
10. Team C n/a 3.5
11. Team D n/a 3.0
12. Team E n/a 2.5
13. Team F n/a 2.0
14. Team G n/a 1.5
15. Team H n/a 1.0
So, the odds were very minimal, but this is consistent with every other lottery draft. Sucks to be Lafrenière - he won't know who he's playing for until August sometime - if then.
I still have 0% belief that there will be a post season.
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Really makes me wonder what their backup plan is if they don't resume the season. What a crazy year that it's possible a team that was playoff destined at the pause could end up with the 1st overall pick for losing a play-in best of 5 series. Also, why on earth didn't they just wait until the play-in round was finished before having any kind of draft lottery? It's not like they can hold the entry draft before the conclusion of the playoffs anyway.
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Word is that the two hub cities are gonna be Toronto and Edmonton. Whoulda thunk the US could screw things up this bad.
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Word is that the two hub cities are gonna be Toronto and Edmonton. Whoulda thunk the US could screw things up this bad.
So basically, one would be in the city of a team that has no shot at winning the Cup, and the other would be in Edmonton, right? :P :P
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Aren't they sending the East teams to Edmonton, and the West teams to Toronto?
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Aren't they sending the East teams to Edmonton, and the West teams to Toronto?
Why wouldn’t they keep them on their own sides of the continent?
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I thought the original thought was that they didn't want any team playing in their home city.
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I thought the original thought was that they didn't want any team playing in their home city.
Are there going to be fans in the stands? If not, it doesn't make much difference, does it?
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Blues shut down all practices due to multiple positive Covid cases. :omg:
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Apparently the guy in charge of cleaning the Cup between each guy kissing it wasn't doing his job.
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Won't take many more outbreaks before the NHL kills this restart idea. Although, it happened to a US based team, so maybe this isn't a deal breaker. America is practically a cesspool of corona right now. The optics for all the major sports leagues trying to restart this summer is looking pretty bad.
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I'd hardly call it an outbreak. 2-5% of the general population tested test positive. Only natural NHL teams are reflective. That this was based off the first test right? Qtine the positives, and move on. They're testing every few days right?
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I can't find a report citing the actual number of Blues infected. Anyone here come across it?
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I can't find a report citing the actual number of Blues infected. Anyone here come across it?
All I saw was a tweet saying multiple cases.
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Won't take many more outbreaks before the NHL kills this restart idea. Although, it happened to a US based team, so maybe this isn't a deal breaker. America is practically a cesspool of corona right now. The optics for all the major sports leagues trying to restart this summer is looking pretty bad.
This.
I'd hardly call it an outbreak. 2-5% of the general population tested test positive. Only natural NHL teams are reflective. That this was based off the first test right? Qtine the positives, and move on. They're testing every few days right?
But the general population doesn't have a profession where close physical contact with intense physical exertion (and as a result, lot's of heavy breathing). I can't help but think the chance of spread is monumentally greater for athletes in team sports vs the general population.
I still have zero belief that any of the team leagues can finish, or perhaps even re-start, their seasons/post-seasons.
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I'd hardly call it an outbreak. 2-5% of the general population tested test positive. Only natural NHL teams are reflective. That this was based off the first test right? Qtine the positives, and move on. They're testing every few days right?
But the general population doesn't have a profession where close physical contact with intense physical exertion (and as a result, lot's of heavy breathing). I can't help but think the chance of spread is monumentally greater for athletes in team sports vs the general population.
Sure, I understand that. But if you're testing, and weeding out the positives to begin with, and put the league in a bubble, theoretically it should work. Now that's not to say humans will fuck it up, not follow the rules, etc...
Positive tests now, are to be expected, but once the team enters the bubble, it should work.
My shock comes in that the NHL and NBA are so intent on finishing this season in the first place. They're really trying to cram this through.
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Watching Bruins vs Islanders playoffs 1983. :metal
I still cannot believe Brad Park is a HOFer.
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If you try to salvage this season, you jeopardize next season.... and even still next season is already in jeopardy. Call this season what it is - OVER.
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The selfish part of me who wants some entertainment and loves hockey is really hoping they find a way to make this postseason work.
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If you try to salvage this season, you jeopardize next season.... and even still next season is already in jeopardy. Call this season what it is - OVER.
Yet, somehow, Bettman seems to think they'll have a full 2020-2021 season. Insanity, if you ask me.
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And in the midst of all of this, the CBA is extended to ‘25/‘26
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If you try to salvage this season, you jeopardize next season.... and even still next season is already in jeopardy. Call this season what it is - OVER.
Yet, somehow, Bettman seems to think they'll have a full 2020-2021 season. Insanity, if you ask me.
I think they'll be fine this season, in a bubble and extensive testing. But next season will be a real challenge. No chance it'll be in a bubble.
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I must say, in a way, I'm kind of proud to be a hockey fan. They seem to have a pretty sound plan for this year, but to be able to hammer out a 4 year CBA extension? That's amazing.
Has Donald Fehr been born again? :lol No way this is the same dude that ran baseball's Union.
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Fehr probably sees the writing on the wall in terms of the medium range impact of covid on the hockey business. Next few years would not be a good time for labour disputes about money.
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What's kinda funny is that the hotel the bottom 6 teams will be staying at, the Sutton Place, isn't even that nice. The JW Marriott the top teams will be at is 10x nicer :lol
I think the only reason they choose the Sutton was because it's 2 pedways from the arena (vs the 1 for the JW), so they can completely isolate the teams from the outside world. Be a 5 min walk to the arena.
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Makes sense.
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Seattle Kraken... It's official. what's the over-under on people who call the arena the Krak House versus the Climate Pledge arena? 100:1? Heard some local people calling it 'The Pledge' which is cool I guess, if you want to give the impression your facility is dust-free with a lemony scent.
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Oh gosh. The Krak House. You know people will refer it to that rather than the actual name of the arena. If the SAP Center is referred to as the Shark tank at times, there's no way that Seattle arena will not be called the Krak House, home of the Seattle Kraken.
As for the new franchise, well, another team in the Pacific division. Fun...... However, I think the Coyotes are moving to the Central division to balance the divisions right? At least, Vancouver would have a relatively close rival team to probably form a rivalry with?
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Yup...the Yotes will move to the central division with Minnesota, Chicago and Winnipeg. Because, of course you want them in a division with teams that are 1,500+ miles away instead of with teams that are less than 400 miles away!
Also, team names that are not plural are stupid.
Also also, the Seattle Kraken will play games attended by the Krakheads, who drive through the Krak Pipe (i.e., the Highway 99 tunnel) to get to the Krak House. Utterly moronic.
P.S. Someone has already registered the domain name krakheadnation.com.
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Yup...the Yotes will move to the central division with Minnesota, Chicago and Winnipeg. Because, of course you want them in a division with teams that are 1,500+ miles away instead of with teams that are less than 400 miles away!
Remind me again how far Phoenix is from Edmonton, Calgary, or Vancouver? :biggrin: Not every division can be a geographically convenient as the Metro.
Also, team names that are not plural are stupid.
Also also, the Seattle Kraken will play games attended by the Krakheads, who drive through the Krak Pipe (i.e., the Highway 99 tunnel) to get to the Krak House. Utterly moronic.
+1 to both of these.
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I can’t believe they went ahead with that name. They knew all about the Krakhouse and all that long ago. And they did it anyway.
Hey publicity I guess
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Yup...the Yotes will move to the central division with Minnesota, Chicago and Winnipeg. Because, of course you want them in a division with teams that are 1,500+ miles away instead of with teams that are less than 400 miles away!
Remind me again how far Phoenix is from Edmonton, Calgary, or Vancouver? :biggrin: Not every division can be a geographically convenient as the Metro.
This. The West has always been more spread out than the East. And let’s not forget that the two Florida teams are in the same division as the three Eastern Canadian teams as well as Boston, Buffalo, and Detroit, all six teams being well over 1,000 miles away from Tampa and Miami.
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Yup...the Yotes will move to the central division with Minnesota, Chicago and Winnipeg. Because, of course you want them in a division with teams that are 1,500+ miles away instead of with teams that are less than 400 miles away!
Remind me again how far Phoenix is from Edmonton, Calgary, or Vancouver? :biggrin: Not every division can be a geographically convenient as the Metro.
This. The West has always been more spread out than the East. And let’s not forget that the two Florida teams are in the same division as the three Eastern Canadian teams as well as Boston, Buffalo, and Detroit, all six teams being well over 1,000 miles away from Tampa and Miami.
Having only four divisions for 32 teams is dumb. Go back to the six division format:
Western Conference
Pacific Division: Los Angeles, Anaheim, Phoenix, Vegas, San Jose
Northwest Division: Seattle, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg
Central Division: Colorado, Dallas, St. Louis, Nashville, Chicago, Minnesota
You could, in theory, put Colorado into any of the three divisions in the west, and putting Colorado into the Northwest Division and Winnipeg into the Central might be better.
Eastern Conference
Atlantic Division: Tampa, Miami, Carolina, Washington, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia
Great Lakes Division: Columbus, Detroit, Toronto, Buffalo, Ottawa
Northeast Division: Montreal, Boston, NYI, NYR, New Jersey
From a geographic point of view, Pittsburgh makes more sense in the Great Lakes Division, but I put it in the Atlantic to preserve the divisional/in-state rivalry with Philly.
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^^ Yeah, that formatting would make some great sense, but that kind of sense in the NHL does not fly for whatever reasons.
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They did the divisions like this to preserve some big rivalries (NYR/PHI, PIT/WAS, DAL/MIN). I wanted the 32nd team to be in Quebec so Detroit could move back to the West and get back their rivalries with Chicago and Colorado.
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Been waiting for this day. So happy my favorite city has a hockey team. I was a big-time Islanders fans in the late-90s, and when I moved out west, I stopped following the sport. I swore when Seattle got a team, I'd be all in. Well, here we are. RELEASE THE KRAKEN!
Can't wait!
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I love the Kraken. Both scary and fun. Not thrilled with the navy but finally a top 4 sports team has ice blue!!!
Intro music should be The Thing That Should Not Be. haha
Their AHL team was supposed to be in Palm Springs, but that's not looking good since the arena hasn't started construction.
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I love the Kraken. Both scary and fun. Not thrilled with the navy but finally a top 4 sports team has ice blue!!!
Intro music should be The Thing That Should Not Be. haha
You know it's more than likely going to be something from Hans Zimmer / Pirates of the Caribbean.
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...drive through the Krak Pipe (i.e., the Highway 99 tunnel)
Holy mother did you come up with that yourself? That is amazing! I had never heard that before! Except the tunnel is relatively new, and as such not taken over by the Krak Heads. They haven't migrated there from Pike/Pine. Yet.
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Opponents shots off the Krak pipes is certainly making the rounds.....and I wonder who gets to be the Krakhead mascot.
I do love the uniforms. Yea, a new team isn't wearing black for once!
As a Detroit Tiger fan, any team using an Old English font logo scores points for me. I would have preferred 'Serpents' for a nickname, since it goes with the theme, and is alliterative.
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Kraken is challenging the Sharks as my favorite NHL team.
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...drive through the Krak Pipe (i.e., the Highway 99 tunnel)
Holy mother did you come up with that yourself? That is amazing! I had never heard that before! Except the tunnel is relatively new, and as such not taken over by the Krak Heads. They haven't migrated there from Pike/Pine. Yet.
While I came up with the sentence that included all of the "Krak" elements, I can't take credit for connecting a tunnel to the team. I've only been to Seattle once and, while I did drive when I was there, I don't recall going through any tunnel. Don't remember where I got it, though.
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No matter what happens in this tournament I will always be left to think about ‘what could have been’ in this season. Blues were on a roll....winning 12 of 13 and had their game just thumping. Not saying it was a guaranteed back to back Stanley Cup but it was going to take a massive effort to beat them in a 7 game series.
Now, teams that were not even in the playoffs are in them.....the top teams get shafted by having to wait for a best of five series....so the team they eventually play has a nice minimum three game primer to knock the dust off and momentum for winning a series.....it’s a crap shoot. All it takes is a team getting hot and they could win it all. You can say that any year I guess but this playoff it’s even more especially true and significant given the time off.
Anyway.....I’m already lamenting what could have been simply because the ‘prime’ years of what could have been a multiple cup team have been torn apart by Covid.
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Anyway.....I’m already lamenting what could have been simply because the ‘prime’ years of what could have been a multiple cup team have been torn apart by Covid.
Gary, don't fall for it. It's very difficult to repeat. When the Bruins won in '11 , they had a large core around 25 y/o. Sure they got back in '13, it's you have to have basically everything going for you.
Look at last year. Both the Blues and Bruins were gifted spots in the Finals. That ain't happening again this year, at least in the East.
Every champion looks like a multiple championship team. Look, the Sox with a very young core had the best record in baseball in '18 AND won the WS. They'll be lucky to go 15-45 this year.
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I know Tim.....repeating in Hockey is extremely rare and tough. I’m more bummed because of what I said....the window to make some noise isn’t big and the Blues window is being shit on. :lol
I’m thankful and thrilled I got to see them win a cup and he’s now I’m greedy.......just ticked because they were looking tough to beat and now it’ll always be a ‘what if?’
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No matter what happens in this tournament I will always be left to think about ‘what could have been’ in this season. Blues were on a roll....winning 12 of 13 and had their game just thumping. Not saying it was a guaranteed back to back Stanley Cup but it was going to take a massive effort to beat them in a 7 game series.
Now, teams that were not even in the playoffs are in them.....the top teams get shafted by having to wait for a best of five series....so the team they eventually play has a nice minimum three game primer to knock the dust off and momentum for winning a series.....it’s a crap shoot. All it takes is a team getting hot and they could win it all. You can say that any year I guess but this playoff it’s even more especially true and significant given the time off.
Anyway.....I’m already lamenting what could have been simply because the ‘prime’ years of what could have been a multiple cup team have been torn apart by Covid.
I hear ya, and I feel for you... but like Tim said, don't do that to yourself. in '93, the Bruins were 16-2 in their final games, 8-0 entering the playoffs, 2nd best in the league .... and swept by the Sabres in the first round.
MAY DAY! MAY DAY! MAY DAAAYY!!!!!
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Yeah.....totally get it and understand.
On a Side note......This may very well be the toughest Cup of them all to win given the historic and odd nature of the entire tournament. Gonna be fun to watch.
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Yeah.....totally get it and understand.
On a Side note......This may very well be the toughest Cup of them all to win given the historic and odd nature of the entire tournament. Gonna be fun to watch.
It was a fiesty first period between the 'Canes and Rangers. jingle.son was watching, and I watched for about 10 minutes. Chicago/Edmonton should be a good one too.
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I tuned in for a few minutes. The 'new normal' was better than all the old highlight reels.
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I'm not very thrilled with Oilers/Blackhawks match-up, mainly due to the fact that the loser gets to have that 12.5% chance to get #1 in the draft and these are the top two teams I don't want them to get #1 in the draft.
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Well Smith is a fucking dumpster fire
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Damn, brutal loss for the Blues with the buzzer-beater goal from the Avs.
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Damn, brutal loss for the Blues with the buzzer-beater goal from the Avs.
Honestly.....if not for Binnington that game should have been 6 or 7 to 1. Blues have looked like ass these first two games back. This round robin stuff is what it is....I'm not a fan of how the entire tourney has been laid out but at least it's hockey. I'm trying to help mentally grasp that the fantastic season the Blues had going defending the Cup is gone and now this is just a tournament where everyone is at square one. Right now they look like they are having the Stanley Cup hangover they never had.
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B's looking completely flat nt fighting for pucks, getting outplayed in all aspects.
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B's looking completely flat nt fighting for pucks, getting outplayed in all aspects.
I missed the game, and honestly, these round robin games don't mean much to me. The seeding doesn't seem like it'll be a big deal. I hope.
But the B's don't seem like they're ready.
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B's looking completely flat nt fighting for pucks, getting outplayed in all aspects.
I missed the game, and honestly, these round robin games don't mean much to me. The seeding doesn't seem like it'll be a big deal. I hope.
But the B's don't seem like they're ready.
The "preseason" game and this game they were flat footed. I'm not impressed.
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B's looking completely flat nt fighting for pucks, getting outplayed in all aspects.
I missed the game, and honestly, these round robin games don't mean much to me. The seeding doesn't seem like it'll be a big deal. I hope.
But the B's don't seem like they're ready.
The "preseason" game and this game they were flat footed. I'm not impressed.
Same with the Blues Joe. The only good thing is that Binnington has looked really sharp.
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Rangers are in serious trouble if they can't come back in the 3rd
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B's looking completely flat nt fighting for pucks, getting outplayed in all aspects.
I missed the game, and honestly, these round robin games don't mean much to me. The seeding doesn't seem like it'll be a big deal. I hope.
But the B's don't seem like they're ready.
The "preseason" game and this game they were flat footed. I'm not impressed.
Is it possible they only looked that way because of the amazing opponent they were playing? :biggrin:
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B's looking completely flat nt fighting for pucks, getting outplayed in all aspects.
I missed the game, and honestly, these round robin games don't mean much to me. The seeding doesn't seem like it'll be a big deal. I hope.
But the B's don't seem like they're ready.
The "preseason" game and this game they were flat footed. I'm not impressed.
Is it possible they only looked that way because of the amazing opponent they were playing? :biggrin:
It's almost like I read this yesterday..... :lol
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The Rangers will get swept. Hank is struggling, Igor is day to day, and Georgiev is clearly not trusted by the coaching staff. Meanwhile the skaters are slow to the puck, offering no help to Lundqvist and leaving him out to dry. This is a team on the rise, but they clearly aren’t ready yet.
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So the Oilers are doing a digital 50/50 draw for their games. Open to any resident of Alberta from 9am on gameday until 2nd intermission. By puck drop tonight it was at $2M dollars. That's fucking ridiculous
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The Rangers played much better last night, but unfortunately it wasn't enough as Carolina's goalie stood on his head as the rest of the team wore the Rangers out. Still, it was nice to see Rangers playoff hockey again, even if it was a cameo. Next up, the draft and a shot at the first overall pick. And of course I'll still be watching the rest of the playoff field, praying that my prediction of a Flyers championship doesn't come true.
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The Rangers played much better last night, but unfortunately it wasn't enough as Carolina's goalie stood on his head as the rest of the team wore the Rangers out. Still, it was nice to see Rangers playoff hockey again, even if it was a cameo. Next up, the draft and a shot at the first overall pick. And of course I'll still be watching the rest of the playoff field, praying that my prediction of a Flyers championship doesn't come true.
Hey, the good news is they have a 12.5% chance at Lafreniere now. That was the first playoff start for James Reimer since Toronto/Boston in 2013.
Sure wish he could've stood on his head THAT game. :lol
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Looks like B's-Pens in the first round..
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Looks like B's-Pens in the first round..
Would love to see that, simply because it means one of them has to be eliminated right off the bat.
But would be even better (though I find it highly unlikely) is seeing the Habs been the Bs in the first round. :D
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I crap on you Nick you son of a bitch! :lol
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Looks like B's-Pens in the first round..
Would love to see that, simply because it means one of them has to be eliminated right off the bat.
Under normal circumstances, I wouldn't fear the Pens. The B's have matched up pretty favorably with them over the last few years. But they need to get their shit together..quick.
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I crap on you Nick you son of a bitch! :lol
If your shits are like the Bruins shots I'll be fine, you'll miss me by a foot. :biggrin:
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Man, you look good for 1 disrupted season and you think my ass cannon is run by a goon.
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But your ass cannon IS run by a goon.
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No way. Ask my brother. I'm like Charlie Simmer meets Cam Neely.
My ass is parked in front of the net scoring goals but try to move me fucker.
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In street hockey! :lol
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Looks like B's-Pens in the first round..
You were saying??
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Officiating has been pretty crappy. Calling some ticky tac crap.
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Officiating has been pretty crappy.
There's really no need to type that all out. It's pretty much understood with every post you make here. :lol
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Officiating has been pretty crappy.
There's really no need to type that all out. It's pretty much understood with every post you make here. :lol
He's not wrong though
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What a fucking choke job to get man-handled the way they did in the 3rd period when the game should have been comfortably in hand. Not once did CBJ come back from being down 3-0 all season; not once did they recover from a 2-goal/3rd period deficit. Leave it to the Leafs to be the first for them to do that with.
Classic example of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
I'm not gonna go back and quote myself, but back in February, I was floating the idea around that the embarrassment of missing the playoffs might be the best thing for this team. Unfortunately, Dubas put his 50% of his chips on 4 numbers, and the ball ain't dropping for him. Now he has no money to build a team around these four, and there's no way to move any of them.
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I'm not gonna go back and quote myself, but back in February, I was floating the idea around that the embarrassment of missing the playoffs might be the best thing for this team. Unfortunately, Dubas put his 50% of his chips on 4 numbers, and the ball ain't dropping for him. Now he has no money to build a team around these four, and there's no way to move any of them.
I really hope the Leafs doesn't get #1 in the draft if this is how the team is being built.
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Watch... it'll be either Edmonton, or Pitt. A top 10 regular season team will get the #1 pick. And if it's the former, that'll be their 4th #1 in the last 11 years.
Though, jingle.son predicts it's Edmonton.
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Blues hadn’t lost a game all year (25-0-6) when leading after two periods. Have lost both the round robin games leading after two.
The only player that looks like he made the trip to Edmonton is Binnington. He’s looked really good.....good enough to not be worried about goaltending. What’s concerning is the rest of the team looks like a$$. Just a mess. The ‘pause’ may have hit them the hardest out of any team and it pisses me off to no end but what can you do?
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On the bright side, the Blues could end up with Chicago in the first round. That's a pretty favorable match up
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On the bright side, the Blues could end up with Chicago in the first round. That's a pretty favorable match up
That’d be a fun series.....but I could totally see a Chicago.....a team that was not making the playoffs until this format......beating them just because that’s the way these things usually work :lol
But honestly......I think there are some teams who are taking the ‘seeeding’ games more seriously than others. Multiple Blues players have said they don’t care who they play because you have to beat the good teams to advance so I don’t think they’ve been 100% yet......which is indicated also by the Coaching staffs choice of wardrobe. They’re still in zip up jackets and casual clothes.
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Same with the Bruins, Gary. As much as the NHL tried (and I'm not criticizing them) to tie some importance to these round robin seeding games, it really doesn't matter. But you just can't be playing like ass going into the next series against a team that is already playoff primed.
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Same with the Bruins, Gary. As much as the NHL tried (and I'm not criticizing them) to tie some importance to these round robin seeding games, it really doesn't matter. But you just can't be playing like ass going into the next series against a team that is already playoff primed.
I’m only clinging to the hope that once they click and sync up......they’re close.....that they’ll fall back into place. But, this situation is WAY different than any other and honestly the human element could come into it. The players may not be fully committed to a three month absence from their families after the grueling Cup run and busy off season of last year? Who knows?
No matter what through there’s gonna be some good hockey played and it’ll be fun to watch.
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Penguins are out. Montreal is still in. Don't think anyone actually envisioned this happening back in March.
Edit: Wait. Also, Coyotes is still in and the Predators are not? I hate this crapshoot format. Somehow all the perceived better teams are going to get out, first, and one of those team's is going to scoop #1 and then go on a tear next season. The Oilers may join that group as well.............. oiafdjdsajoadjfoosaf.
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Penguins are out. Montreal is still in. Don't think anyone actually envisioned this happening back in March.
Edit: Wait. Also, Coyotes is still in and the Predators are not? I hate this crapshoot format. Somehow all the perceived better teams are going to get out, first, and one of those team's is going to scoop #1 and then go on a tear next season. The Oilers may join that group as well.............. oiafdjdsajoadjfoosaf.
Crapshoot is a great term for it. The entire tournament is a crap shoot.....more so than it has ever been. Sure, in the playoffs in the past there was the chance to run into a 'hot' goalie or team or a lesser seed would upset a higher seed in the first round.....but this unique situation with everyone starting at square one basically doesn't 'play well' for some teams. Teams like Chicago, Montreal and Arizona have nothing to lose and are making the most of it.
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Unless Price continues to carry the Habs, they're going to get absolutely power fucked against Tampa or Philly. They have almost no offensive talent.
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It's taken me a bit to get acclimated but I am into this tournament. There's been some excellent games all day today.
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I had to thank a Habs fan today for knocking out that crybaby Crosby. I feel dirty.
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I like Crosby.
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Cripes, where the Leafs get all of this urgency from? They managed to come back from the dead when it was 3-0 with 4 minutes left in their season.
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Cripes, where the Leafs get all of this urgency from? They managed to come back from the dead when it was 3-0 with 3 minutes left.
Oh shit, I switched over to the Sox . Wow..
That was Bruins-esque. ;D
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As much as the Leafs were gifted that PP in OT, Columbus cannot give up 3 goals in the last 5 mins and complain.
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So, the body is still somehow alive for the Leafs and has become a zombie. Like the Blackhawks and the Canadiens, you give a team some form of hope even if you write the obituary, they will come back kicking.
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As much as the Leafs were gifted that PP in OT, Columbus cannot give up 3 goals in the last 5 mins and complain.
If you watch the replay, Foligno poked his stick into Rielly's heel, causing him to lift his foot and step on the skate. I'm not sure it was a gift... it was 50/50 call. The Leafs PP was only 1-for-whatever the whole series. They made good on their opportunity - just as CBJ had made good on their opportunities.
What a roller coaster the last 24 hours has been! Sunday ought to be rather thrilling.
I'm not overly impressed that both #5 seeds aren't even going to get into the show, but given the way each of them played, they probably weren't going to get far anyway. The bigger cluster is just what I said earlier - there's a 25% chance that a Top 10 team in the league is going to walk away with the #1 pick.
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The Flyers look fucking good, that is all.
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The Flyers look fucking good, that is all.
Hopefully they don't blow their load in these meaningless games.
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Penguins are out. Montreal is still in. Don't think anyone actually envisioned this happening back in March.
Edit: Wait. Also, Coyotes is still in and the Predators are not? I hate this crapshoot format. Somehow all the perceived better teams are going to get out, first, and one of those team's is going to scoop #1 and then go on a tear next season. The Oilers may join that group as well.............. oiafdjdsajoadjfoosaf.
Crapshoot is a great term for it. The entire tournament is a crap shoot.....more so than it has ever been. Sure, in the playoffs in the past there was the chance to run into a 'hot' goalie or team or a lesser seed would upset a higher seed in the first round.....but this unique situation with everyone starting at square one basically doesn't 'play well' for some teams. Teams like Chicago, Montreal and Arizona have nothing to lose and are making the most of it.
Doesn’t that make it more exciting though? Coming from a guy who’s favorite team got swept out of the qualifier round, it’s been really fun to see what some of these fringe playoff teams have been able to do. All of these teams were fighting for a playoff spot at season’s end anyway so it’s not like they had no right to be here.
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Penguins are out. Montreal is still in. Don't think anyone actually envisioned this happening back in March.
Edit: Wait. Also, Coyotes is still in and the Predators are not? I hate this crapshoot format. Somehow all the perceived better teams are going to get out, first, and one of those team's is going to scoop #1 and then go on a tear next season. The Oilers may join that group as well.............. oiafdjdsajoadjfoosaf.
Crapshoot is a great term for it. The entire tournament is a crap shoot.....more so than it has ever been. Sure, in the playoffs in the past there was the chance to run into a 'hot' goalie or team or a lesser seed would upset a higher seed in the first round.....but this unique situation with everyone starting at square one basically doesn't 'play well' for some teams. Teams like Chicago, Montreal and Arizona have nothing to lose and are making the most of it.
Doesn’t that make it more exciting though? Coming from a guy who’s favorite team got swept out of the qualifier round, it’s been really fun to see what some of these fringe playoff teams have been able to do. All of these teams were fighting for a playoff spot at season’s end anyway so it’s not like they had no right to be here.
Oh yeah......it is more exciting. For sure. My point is, now more than ever......ANY team in it still has just as good a chance to win it. The ‘pause’ set everything back to equal. Historically the old adage was that once the playoffs started it was a new season but that was just more or less a fun saying as ‘most’ of the lower seeds were gonna lose.
Now it literally is at square one and anyone’s Cup to win. There absolutely SHOULDNT be an asterisk next to this eventual cup winner because this Cup may actually be one of the hardest Cups to win
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I guess my (very minor) beef is that a few of these teams, while not having been mathematically eliminated pre-shutdown, realistically had no shot at making the playoffs. Chicago and Montreal especially. It nullifies any importance of the regular season. Look, any team that wins 16 games anppover four series absolutely deserves the cup, so even if Mtl or Chi win it, I’m ok with that. But I’m one small regard, they shouldn’t have been allowed into the dance.
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I guess my (very minor) beef is that a few of these teams, while not having been mathematically eliminated pre-shutdown, realistically had no shot at making the playoffs. Chicago and Montreal especially. It nullifies any importance of the regular season. Look, any team that wins 16 games anppover four series absolutely deserves the cup, so even if Mtl or Chi win it, I’m ok with that. But I’m one small regard, they shouldn’t have been allowed into the dance.
Agreed. Those two teams especially were not going to make the playoffs. Chicago was trading assets and players to prep for next season. Like you said......winning (16) games to take the cup is hard and if they do it then good on them.....but for them to even have been here is questionable
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Montreal was a fire sale too at the trade deadline.
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Blues dropped them ball again
And there were (11) penalties called in the game and all but one were horse shit calls. The league better address this officiating before the real games start.
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I mean after what we saw on Friday, at least, this Game 5 kept me in suspense. Makes things pretty exciting. Tough luck, Leafs.
Leafs, Penguins, Oilers, Predators, Jets, Wilds, Rangers, Panthers in the draft lottery for tomorrow. I'm rooting for Wilds or Rangers to win it. I think they are the only teams that I'm not non-excited of seeing get #1.
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Just as Babs always said, will beat skill. This team that Dubas constructed is built well for the regular season. They can lay down 35 wins in their sleep - on skill alone. Once the intensity ramps up, and they run into teams like CBJ (who reminded me of 90s/00s era NJD... they were absolutely smothering), they're toast. Doesn't help that Korpisala was punching way out of his weight class. He made several incredible saves, naturally - winning 2 of the three games by shutout.
It'll be interesting to see what Dubas can possibly do to reconstruct portions of this team. The only cap help they get is that Barrie and Ceci are both UFAs - that frees up $7.2M, but that's not a lot. There's no way he can/will trade any of the 'big-4', because it would be an admission that his strategy was wrong. He might as well ask Shanny to fire him first. jingle.son thinks he should leave Nylander exposed in the expansion draft next year. Might not be a bad idea.
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Rangers get the #1 pick. I’m just happy it wasn’t the Preds or Winnipeg.....
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I'm happy as well that it didn't go the Oilers and it's nice for once to get a pick right unlike other times in life I made a pick and it landed wrong.
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Well that’s one way to cheer me up after the sweep. Holy hell this is exciting!
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Well that’s one way to cheer me up after the sweep. Holy hell this is exciting!
You guys ought to be a power house in a couple of years. Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, Buchnevich, Lafreniere, Trouba/Staal, Shisterkin... nice looking core of players.
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Gross :lol :lol
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Oh wow. I didn't realize that the Rangers will have two 1st round picks this year. They got it from Carolina in the trade deadline period along with #1
Also, Toronto doesn't have a 1st round pick due to trading Patrick Marleau last summer to Carolina and they needed to get top 10 in the draft to retain that pick. Leafs got socked in the end there as a result of that trade and lottery. That's nothing new to them right?
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Oh wow. I didn't realize that the Rangers will have two 1st round picks this year. They got it from Carolina in the trade deadline period along with #1
Also, Toronto doesn't have a 1st round pick due to trading Patrick Marleau last summer to Carolina and they needed to get top 10 in the draft to retain that pick. Leafs got socked in the end there as a result of that trade and lottery. That's nothing new to them right?
Coincidentally, these two paragraphs are directly related to one another. The Carolina pick that NYR has is actually Toronto's - #13 now that Toronto was eliminated. Jeff Gorton easily has to be the happiest GM in the league at the moment.
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Hmmm. Am I reading these terms right then on CapFriendly? Carolina cannot get any higher than #15 at this point, so wouldn't that pick go to the Rangers? Still good for the Rangers for what they want in rebuilding no matter what though.
"Conditions: NY Rangers will receive the later (or lower) of either the Carolina or Toronto 2020 1st round picks"
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Hmmm. Am I reading these terms right then on CapFriendly? Carolina cannot get any higher than #15 at this point, so wouldn't that pick go to the Rangers? Still good for the Rangers for what they want in rebuilding no matter what though.
"Conditions: NY Rangers will receive the later (or lower) of either the Carolina or Toronto 2020 1st round picks"
Right you are (if capfriendly is accurate). All the talking heads around here never mentioned that condition, and always suggested that Toronto's pick was in the hands of the Rangers now.
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Apparently the Blue Jackets and Lightning are playing a double header today, so the Bruins won't probably won't start until 9 or so.
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I also think Dallas did the Blues a favor because I think the Flames are one of the teams to beat.
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Watching a Netflix show waiting. Lol
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Watching a Netflix show waiting. Lol
WTF?? It's quadruple OT. What the hell is so exciting on Netflix?
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Tampa has way more jump than Columbus, even as the 4th OT ends.
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Apparently the Blue Jackets and Lightning are playing a double header today, so the Bruins won't probably won't start until 9 or so.
AM?
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Apparently the Blue Jackets and Lightning are playing a double header today, so the Bruins won't probably won't start until 9 or so.
AM?
And within minutes of posting that the game is officially pushed to 11:00am. :lol
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11AM to be exact. Fuck. I'll be working..
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Never thought in my lifetime that I would witness a 5 OT game. I want to see Tampa pull off 100 shots on goal.
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Never thought in my lifetime that I would witness a 5 OT game. I want to see Tampa pull off 100 shots on goal.
....and lose. :lol
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Never thought in my lifetime that I would witness a 5 OT game. I want to see Tampa pull off 100 shots on goal.
You are making me feel old...I remember watching the 5OT Phi/Pit game, and I was a year out of college at that point! :lol
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Never thought in my lifetime that I would witness a 5 OT game. I want to see Tampa pull off 100 shots on goal.
You are making me feel old...I remember watching the 5OT Phi/Pit game, and I was a year out of college at that point! :lol
I don’t remember that game. I do vividly remember watching all of NYI/Wash tho.
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Never thought in my lifetime that I would witness a 5 OT game. I want to see Tampa pull off 100 shots on goal.
....and lose. :lol
Ooops..
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Snd yet I enjoyed what I watched Tim. Ha ha.
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So did I. You missed a great game by watching some show written with dialog that no one would actually say to each other in a setting that would never happen.
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So did I. You missed a great game by watching some show written with dialog that no one would actually say to each other in a setting that would never happen.
I only had the chance to watch the 4th and 5th OT. Boy were they all tired. You could even tell the men in stripes were struggling. Korpisala and Vasilevsky were incredible.
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So did I. You missed a great game by watching some show written with dialog that no one would actually say to each other in a setting that would never happen.
I only had the chance to watch the 4th and 5th OT. Boy were they all tired. You could even tell the men in stripes were struggling. Korpisala and Vasilevsky were incredible.
The talking heads on NBC's coverage can slow motion and explain all they want that Hedman taking down Atkinson wasn't a penalty......but you'll never convince me that it wasn't a penalty. Slow motion replays aren't what the refs see and that play in real time was a penalty all day long....ESPECIALLY after the crap they've been calling since the bubble play started. I'd be furious if I were a Columbus fan.
That being said that was a great game.....great to watch and just an awesome effort by all.
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Never thought in my lifetime that I would witness a 5 OT game. I want to see Tampa pull off 100 shots on goal.
You are making me feel old...I remember watching the 5OT Phi/Pit game, and I was a year out of college at that point! :lol
I remember that one. I was in law school, and it was gripping watching one team get a surge of energy, and then the other team would match it. Longest game in modern NHL history (the two 6-OT games were in the 1930s). Oddly, I remember that one better than the more recent Dallas v. Anaheim 5-OT game. That was before I hated the Sucks, and that playoff run of theirs in 2003 was epic. Unfortunately, I missed yesterday's game because I was at work.
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So did I. You missed a great game by watching some show written with dialog that no one would actually say to each other in a setting that would never happen.
I only had the chance to watch the 4th and 5th OT. Boy were they all tired. You could even tell the men in stripes were struggling. Korpisala and Vasilevsky were incredible.
The talking heads on NBC's coverage can slow motion and explain all they want that Hedman taking down Atkinson wasn't a penalty......but you'll never convince me that it wasn't a penalty. Slow motion replays aren't what the refs see and that play in real time was a penalty all day long....ESPECIALLY after the crap they've been calling since the bubble play started. I'd be furious if I were a Columbus fan.
That's hilarious, cuz the four CBC/SportsNet analysts were 3-vs-1 that it WAS a penalty, leaning towards a penalty shot. And the 3 were adamant about it. I dunno man... I mean, Hedman has a big reach and stick, and used his right side to reach around and go for the puck. Atkinson lost control of the puck, and then fell (perhaps partially cuz Hedman was leaning on him). It's 50/50 at best (in my eyes). Not the kind of call that would/should be a penalty shot in OT. Penalty alone ... debatable.
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Well, when it happened, it certainly looked like a penalty. But the ref was right there, and watching it in slo mo, I don't see a hold, a hook, or a trip. I think it was a good non call, but I agree, if you're Columbus you've seen less than that called. I bet if it's in the first perios, the arm may have gone up. But in the end, it looked clean to me.
And to be consistent, the Bruins were gifted a similar call towards the end of the 1st OT today, when the dude "took down" Coyle.
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The more perplexing play was that 2-1 goal. How the hell is that allowed? If it's concluded not to be a hand pass because Mrazek had control, then it's goalie interference for digging out a covered puck. The on-ice explanation ... not a hand pass because "there was control and possession by the goaltender" verifies this. The ruling to only review one specific challenge is BS - a play can have more than one reviewable event, and to put the onus on the coach to pick which event he wants to challenge is crap. The purpose of reviews is to get the call right - no matter what or how many circumstances might be contributing to the botched call.
Brind'Amour didn't hold any punches. Under the rules of challenges, I get it... it's a goal. Under the rules of the game, it shouldn't have been a goal.
Now, the hockey Gods spoke on that ruling pretty damned quick, so there's that. Canes didn't play as good as they needed to to get that win. Bruins look closer to their regular season form.
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Canes didn't play as good as they needed to to get that win. Bruins look closer to their regular season form.
I think "control" was the wrong word to say. He touched it, which negates the hand pass. But he wasn't in control. I have seen quicker whistles so there's that.
The Bruins still haven't found their game yet. The Canes seemed to have better legs throughout. The only team 5-8 that would've concerned me is Columbus. But I think the Top 4 seeds are getting through.
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I think the only guarantee is Philly. The other three could go either way, imo.
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I think the only guarantee is Philly. The other three could go either way, imo.
I don't know. I can't believe the Lightning are going to lose again to Columbus.
Same with the Caps to the Isles, Game 1 not withstanding. The Bruins are NOT losing to Carolina.
I see the Flames beating the Stars, but that's the only upset I see there.
I also think it's an Avs-Bolts Finals.
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Well, I just finished watching a 42 minute video that talked about the history of the Leafs for the last 53 years. Holy moly. I don't know how their fans can tolerate this team, especially with the first half of that period that revolved around what looked to be a piece of s*** owner. As a more casual fan of hockey in general, I only know the things that happened to them recently (losing to the Bruins in 7 games at TD Garden in the first round three times, committing half the cap salary to four players alone, losing to their Zamboni driver that's an emergency goalie, and the recent failure in the Columbus series), but honestly, I think I would rather see that team suffer those kinds from today's periods to what they suffered in various periods in the last 50 years. That looked like pretty rough stuff that you never wish a franchise on. Offering lowball offers to players and scouts, owner's a piece of s***, etc. Here's the video I watched.
The Toronto Maple Leafs: A Half-Century of Failure (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25j6s-ZY3mY)
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I know it didn't seem like it at first, but regarding the Weber-Subban trade, Weber is playing great, and Subban is....not.
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Harold Ballard is arguably the worst owner ever in the NHL. The fanbase virtually celebrated his death.
BTW, that video is hauntingly accurate.
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I'm just never going to get over the 'what could have been'.....sorry guys. It's driving me insane. Healthy....Firing on all cylinders....dominating teams and playing your game heading into the playoffs full of teams in your conference who were beat up and missing players....it was set up for a deep run and very real chance at a repeat.
The Blues game of beating down opponents is based off those opponents having just endured a long season. This format nixed that. They won last year because they rolled 4 lines at you hard.....our 4th line last night had three players that wouldn't even had made the playoff roster. It's a mess. Binnington let in three really soft goals and the Blues pulled the ol' "let's make this rookie goalie look like a veteran Brodeur".
Whatever happens happens I guess....at this point I'll watch and hope for the best.....by no means do I think that Vancouver is going to run away with the series. Last nights game was a clear example of a team who heavily benefited from having just played real games in a real playoff series and a team who played some warm up games. I think the Blues will be fine. Just can't stop being :censored off about corona stealing the real season from us.
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Jeesh Gary. Go cry in your Stanley Cup, man.
The Bruins were cruising too. It is what it is.
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Philly was cruisin too... and still are.
Leafs were inconsistent ... and still are.
Git ur head out your ass man... all this "what could've been" talk is nothing but wishful thinking.
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Jeesh Gary. Go cry in your Stanley Cup, man.
Git ur head out your ass man... all this "what could've been" talk is nothing but wishful thinking.
I know, I know......that's the last time I'll whine about it.
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Jeesh Gary. Go cry in your Stanley Cup, man.
Git ur head out your ass man... all this "what could've been" talk is nothing but wishful thinking.
I know, I know......that's the last time I'll whine about it.
It's all good man... my response was playful razzing (which I'm sure you know). At least you've got something to lament about!
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Also, there's been many a President's Trophy winner that went out in the 1st round, so regular season dominance doesn't really mean anything in the post-season. Just ask the Capitals about it.
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Also, there's been many a President's Trophy winner that went out in the 1st round, so regular season dominance doesn't really mean anything in the post-season. Just ask the Capitals about it.
I know. Blues were one of those. (Thanks for showing up Roman Turek)
I was just lamenting the fact that they were in sync and playing the style of game perfectly that won them a cup....their opponents were beat up and they looked good.
I get that didn’t mean an automatic Cup or appearance in the Final but it was more likely than not.
Now it’s just like every other year.....oh well.
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The Habs release a press release because Claude Julian has a heart condition and Kirk Mueller who won a Stanley Cup with the Habs is the intern and they apologize because he doesn't speak French.
What a bunch of A-Holes that they have to have a preemptive strike on this in a press release.
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The Habs release a press release because Claude Julian has a heart condition and Kirk Mueller who won a Stanley Cup with the Habs is the intern and they apologize because he doesn't speak French.
What a bunch of A-Holes that they have to have a preemptive strike on this in a press release.
In case you didn't know, Quebec is horribly over protective of their French language and culture. They have strict laws about all things non-french.
The media there mercilessly trolled Randy Cunneyworth when he took over mid season as interim coach because he couldn't speak French.
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I live in N.H. I've been in Montreal more times than I can count. I know all about it. This is a special situation. Yet, that's more important than the coach's health and the playoff series.
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Jeesh Gary. Go cry in your Stanley Cup, man.
Git ur head out your ass man... all this "what could've been" talk is nothing but wishful thinking.
I know, I know......that's the last time I'll whine about it.
3...2...1
I was just lamenting the fact that they were in sync and playing the style of game perfectly that won them a cup....their opponents were beat up and they looked good.
I get that didn’t mean an automatic Cup or appearance in the Final but it was more likely than not.
:lol
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:rollin :rollin Not even 2 hours! :rollin :rollin
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The Habs release a press release because Claude Julian has a heart condition and Kirk Mueller who won a Stanley Cup with the Habs is the intern and they apologize because he doesn't speak French.
What a bunch of A-Holes that they have to have a preemptive strike on this in a press release.
In case you didn't know, Quebec is horribly over protective of their French language and culture. They have strict laws about all things non-french.
The media there mercilessly trolled Randy Cunneyworth when he took over mid season as interim coach because he couldn't speak French.
I mean I've been looking at various wiki pages on hockey stuff and people in Montreal caused a riot in the 50s because their beloved Maurice Richard got suspended for the rest of the season (including playoffs) for attacking a referee and they thought the severity of the suspension was mainly due to Richard being French Canadian. I wouldn't want to piss those guys off especially if it's due to their ethnicity. Those guys can cause a riot at a drop, particularly in the early 90s (GNR/Metallica show in 1992 and when the Canadiens won the cup in 1993 against the Kings....)
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Oh hell yeah. I've seen the riots. I had a scary moment that I disarmed years ago at the old forum.
I was 18 and went up at the group or friends to party as all 18 year olds do. I with a cup all the friends went to the Habs versus Nordiques.
I braved the forum wearing a Bruins T-shirt. I got cussed out in guys screaming at me. I knew a little French so I started talking to them and told them even know where enemies on the ice I still love the NHL and to experience these 2 teams playing together was quite a spectacle.
After that they were cool with me and we drink beers together. I was pretty drunk because they bought a shipload of years for me. Lol
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God I love your typing, Joe.
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After that they were cool with me and we drink beers together. I was pretty drunk because they bought a shipload of years for me. Lol
WTF?? :lol
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:rollin :rollin Not even 2 hours! :rollin :rollin
Hey now.....I was explaining myself to SchecterShredder.......that doesn't count
Starting...............now.....
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Holy hell, Bruins without Pasta because he hurt himself jumping in celebration. I almost feel bad for the Bruins, that's insane.
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God I love your typing, Joe.
I did talk to text. I just said fuck it, it's too long to type in my phone and fuck it, I won't read it before I hit send. Lol
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I have to say that Andrei Svechnikov has been damn impressive for the Canes.
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God I love your typing, Joe.
I did talk to text. I just said fuck it, it's too long to type in my phone and fuck it, I won't read it before I hit send. Lol
Ain’t no phone invented that can accurately decipher Bostonian!
I almost feel bad for the Bruins, that's insane.
Not me. Not ever.
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Apparently I haven't been paying attention, as I couldn't tell you the last Canucks game I've seen, but Jakob Markstom is a fucking monster! How big is he?
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kzZXoKcmJ-M/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Tim, what do you think of Rask's comments after the game? Totally out of touch who reminds me of Price. Great talent, head full of bullshit.
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Tim, what do you think of Rask's comments after the game? Totally out of touch who reminds me of Price. Great talent, head full of bullshit.
Really strange. I didn't make the connection to Price. Tuukka is not a douche.
I think what he was trying to say was that they're still searching for their game and it isn't so much about the results, but how they are playing. But Earth to Tuukka....it IS about results. I think they are pretty overconfident about this round. They're still treating it like a tune up.
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Tuuka always seems disconnected to what his fans feel. He is so about himself that he comes off poorly.
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Tuuka always seems disconnected to what his fans feel. He is so about himself that he comes off poorly.
He's not a dirt dog. He's had a borderline HOF career, but Boston just doesn't feel him. They want to know that you are just as sickened by every loss as we are, and he just won't give in to that.
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Fine but that's why he will always be borderline. No cup, no fire, no HOF.
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Fine but that's why he will always be borderline. No cup, no fire, no HOF.
I don't think fire has anything to do with it. I just think in Boston, his demeanor doesn't translate. I'm sure he'd be fine in most other cities.
In a way, I think the Championship thing is a bit overrated. Are you really going to hold that against Carey Price?
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I think you are wrong. He is beyond talented but drive is something the greats have. He shows none of that and what he said speaks to it. All pros are counseled on what to say.
No way his speech is what he's taught.
Do you hear that type of speach from Bergeron? From Chara?
The answer is no. Btw, both will be HOF'ers.
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I think his demeanor doesn't help, but I'm not going to sit here and say he is not driven. I mean, he may not be, but there's really no way to get in his head. You can choose to believe he is not driven, and you may be right, but I don't know..I'm not making that judgement.
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I believe that a pro who openly admits that no fans makes it feels like a pre season game during a pandemic in the gift that is the playoffs is a selfish human who can't be an adult and not admit it to his fan base.
That should say it all.
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I swear Barry Trotz just pulled Todd Rierdon's pants down, put him over his knee, and spanked him.
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:lol
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In a way, I think the Championship thing is a bit overrated. Are you really going to hold that against Carey Price?
Yes. Frankly, I don’t see what the hubub is with respect to Price. He’s a top tier talent of this generation, but I’ve never felt he’s a great of all time. And if CuJo ain’t in the HOF, I don’t see how Price gets there.
I swear Barry Trotz just pulled Todd Rierdon's pants down, put him over his knee, and spanked him.
Trotz is the best coach in the game today, IMO.
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Sorry, wrong Price. I was talking David Price and his mentality.
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HOLY SHIT!!!
Bruins goaltender Tuukka Rask opts out of NHL’s return to play
Sportsnet Staff
August 15, 2020, 10:28 AM
Boston Bruins goaltender Tuukka Rask has opted out of the NHL’s post-season, the team announced Saturday.
“I want to be with my teammates competing, but at this moment there are things more important than hockey in my life, and that is being with my family,” Rask said via a press release.
“I want to thank the Bruins and my teammates for their support and wish them success.”
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Oh my goodness. Well, I don't want to write the Bruins off yet. Their backup is Jaroslav Halak, right? They should be ok for now.
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So Tim, what do you say now about his comments?
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With a newborn and another young child at home, he clearly wasn’t mentally ‘there’. Frankly, I’m surprised there aren’t more situations like this.
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Most bow out earlier. You could hear it in his interview after the game he was mentally out.
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So Tim, what do you say now about his comments?
I knew that was coming.
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With the first pick in the expansion draft, the Seattle Kraken choose Tuukka Rask.
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With a newborn and another young child at home, he clearly wasn’t mentally ‘there’. Frankly, I’m surprised there aren’t more situations like this.
It’s going on with St. Louis. Petrangelo has young triplets and his wife is due to give birth in a month.....and you can see he’s not all there. Barbachev left for the delivery of his baby and there were several players lamenting the fact they’d be cut off from their families.
Every player is going through it. The team and players who buy in all the way will do well. I’m not sure there is a total but in on the StL team.
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With a newborn and another young child at home, he clearly wasn’t mentally ‘there’. Frankly, I’m surprised there aren’t more situations like this.
It’s going on with St. Louis. Petrangelo has young triplets and his wife is due to give birth in a month.....and you can see he’s not all there.
Great foresight by the refs to screw his wife 8 months ago to set this up. When I say the officials are committed to fucking the Blues I mean it!
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With a newborn and another young child at home, he clearly wasn’t mentally ‘there’. Frankly, I’m surprised there aren’t more situations like this.
It’s going on with St. Louis. Petrangelo has young triplets and his wife is due to give birth in a month.....and you can see he’s not all there.
Great foresight by the refs to screw his wife 8 months ago to set this up. When I say the officials are committed to fucking the Blues I mean it!
:lol The league is committed to sticking it to the Blues.
But seriously......you’d think a lot of the players time their kids coming into the world to happen during the off-season.....which would be now. I’d think we’d see more players maybe opting to be home for their kids birth?
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With a newborn and another young child at home, he clearly wasn’t mentally ‘there’. Frankly, I’m surprised there aren’t more situations like this.
It’s going on with St. Louis. Petrangelo has young triplets and his wife is due to give birth in a month.....and you can see he’s not all there.
Great foresight by the refs to screw his wife 8 months ago to set this up. When I say the officials are committed to fucking the Blues I mean it!
:lol The league is committed to sticking it to the Blues.
But seriously......you’d think a lot of the players time their kids coming into the world to happen during the off-season.....which would be now. I’d think we’d see more players maybe opting to be home for their kids birth?
Lars Eller just came into the bubble having been with his wife on the birth of their child. So yeah, I would think this happens fairly regularly - in all sports.
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This may sound petty (and it probably is), but I hope the Golden Knights can sweep the Blackhawks today, so I can feel a little better about the Golden Knights sweeping the Kings back in 2018. If that happens, at least they can go on and say they have swept two muti-winning cup teams in the last decade.
Edit: Dang it, Blackhawks won that one.
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Big goal for the Blues last night. Beauty of a shot by Schenn.
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Big goal for the Blues last night. Beauty of a shot by Schenn.
If they'd keep Vancouver off the Power Play this wouldn't even be a series. Dominating 5v5 play. Vancouver is 7/11 on the PP and they have a short handed goal. BIG game tonight. Have to capitalize on the momentum and even this thing up.
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This may sound petty (and it probably is), but I hope the Golden Knights can sweep the Blackhawks today, so I can feel a little better about the Golden Knights sweeping the Kings back in 2018. If that happens, at least they can go on and say they have swept two muti-winning cup teams in the last decade.
Edit: Dang it, Blackhawks won that one.
The Kings were four years removed from their second Cup, and the Hawks are now five years removed from their last one. The 2018 Kings had the same core players from the Cup seasons, but they had already started their slide, and that Knights team was just ridiculous as a result of the expansion draft rules. And you can't ascribe any larger meaning to anything that happens this postseason.
I'm also of the opposite mind on this stuff. In 2015, when the Mets beat the Dodgers in the NLDS, I pulled hard for the Cubs in the NLCS. Someone chided me, saying, "you want the team that beat your team to win it all so you can say you lost to the best." Absolutely not! I almost always want the team that beats my team to lose ingloriously (that's one reason why I enjoyed the 1985 World Series so much).
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Apparently James Reimer was wearing his Maple Leafs underoos underneath his Canes' uniform.
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After 2 periods I expected a loss tonight.
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Apparently James Reimer was wearing his Maple Leafs underoos underneath his Canes' uniform.
I said something along those lines to jingle.son (Canes are 'his' team)... "That was a very Reimer-esque 3rd period performance".
For a team that could shut down one of the best offenses in the league when they had a 42-year old zamboni driver between the pipes, they sure looked pretty loose last night against a Pasta-less lineup.
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That Bruins game was crazy last night. When it was 2-1, I went to make food. When I went back to sit down, it was 4-2, and the Canes had their goalie pulled. Holy crap!
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Tarasenko returned to St. Louis to get his (twice) surgically repaired shoulder re-evaluated :huh: I fear his career may be over....or at minimum severely altered now. He's done nothing but perform in the playoffs in his career....been a beast of a scorer and player.....but this being his second severe injury to the same shoulder and now having complications is not very good news for him.
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NHL lost a modern era legend. RIP Dale Hawerchuk. Nice tribute - https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/dale-hawerchuks-quiet-brilliance-made-winnipeg-canada-winner/
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So we all know that playoff hockey is something completely different than the regular season. We also know that Olympic hockey is in a different universe.
Question - is it time to expand the NHL rink dimensions to match the Olympic dimensions which if I am correct (and I may not be correct) the rink size for the Olympics is based on what other countries use in their leagues.
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So we all know that playoff hockey is something completely different than the regular season. We also know that Olympic hockey is in a different universe.
Question - is it time to expand the NHL rink dimensions to match the Olympic dimensions which if I am correct (and I may not be correct) the rink size for the Olympics is based on what other countries use in their leagues.
Olympic rink size is typically dependent on the host country. All the European rinks are what would be considered 'olympic size' but the years the games were hosted in NA, they just used the NHL rinks. Not likely the NHL would want to switch to a bigger rink given that all minor hockey rinks are 'NHL sized' which would create a difference in how kids learn to play as they move through minor hockey levels and what they would experience if they achieved professional levels. The cost to retrofit all the rinks to olympic size would be astronimical. Also, from the owners perspective it would mean fewer seats in the lower bowl which would reduce revenue. Those are likely valid enough reasons without getting into the debate of whether hockey on the larger rinks is better/worse from a fan perspective than the smaller rinks.
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Yeah, the revenue loss make it a resounding no.
The Bruins over the past summer redid the seats. What they didn't tell the fans was that the seats were smaller and they added one seat to each row. Also less leg room. Huge complaints from fans about it.
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So we all know that playoff hockey is something completely different than the regular season. We also know that Olympic hockey is in a different universe.
Question - is it time to expand the NHL rink dimensions to match the Olympic dimensions which if I am correct (and I may not be correct) the rink size for the Olympics is based on what other countries use in their leagues.
In a word, no, because why should we?
If other countries jumped off a cliff should we also do so?
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So we all know that playoff hockey is something completely different than the regular season. We also know that Olympic hockey is in a different universe.
Question - is it time to expand the NHL rink dimensions to match the Olympic dimensions which if I am correct (and I may not be correct) the rink size for the Olympics is based on what other countries use in their leagues.
In a word, no, because why should we?
If other countries jumped off a cliff should we also do so?
Easy - because it would make the US and US hockey more competitive. Don't ask why shouldn't we - ask why we should. If they could figure out the revenue thing then it wouldn't be hard to expand the arenas. It's only 15 feet.
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Onto the next round!!
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So we all know that playoff hockey is something completely different than the regular season. We also know that Olympic hockey is in a different universe.
Question - is it time to expand the NHL rink dimensions to match the Olympic dimensions which if I am correct (and I may not be correct) the rink size for the Olympics is based on what other countries use in their leagues.
In a word, no, because why should we?
If other countries jumped off a cliff should we also do so?
Easy - because it would make the US and US hockey more competitive. Don't ask why shouldn't we - ask why we should. If they could figure out the revenue thing then it wouldn't be hard to expand the arenas. It's only 15 feet.
The logic that it would make the US better is pretty flawed when you consider that Canada is the team to beat internationally, and we play on NHL (more accurately, North American) sized rinks here.
Widespread support at the grassroots level is how the US gets better. That's how it works in all the powerhouse hockey nations. I believe the US has been getting better at the national level, and you can see it in the increased numbers meeting drafted out of the US National Development Program.
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So we all know that playoff hockey is something completely different than the regular season. We also know that Olympic hockey is in a different universe.
Question - is it time to expand the NHL rink dimensions to match the Olympic dimensions which if I am correct (and I may not be correct) the rink size for the Olympics is based on what other countries use in their leagues.
In a word, no, because why should we?
If other countries jumped off a cliff should we also do so?
Easy - because it would make the US and US hockey more competitive. Don't ask why shouldn't we - ask why we should. If they could figure out the revenue thing then it wouldn't be hard to expand the arenas. It's only 15 feet.
With all due respect, compete against what? The Swedish elite league? The KHL? The NHL can barely be arsed to send a team to the Olympics.
Where is the motivation for the NHL to put out a product that their fans will find to be a less attractive alternative?
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Onto the next round!!
They ain't getting by Tampa.
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Onto the next round!!
They ain't getting by Tampa.
Dont have to worry about them yet.
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I guess we're rooting for Washington. Or Montreal.
Wow, those choices suck. :lol
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https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/mobile/massive-nhl-stanley-cup-playoffs-bracket-takes-over-sir-winston-churchill-square-1.5071248 (https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/mobile/massive-nhl-stanley-cup-playoffs-bracket-takes-over-sir-winston-churchill-square-1.5071248)
I guess the built a playoff bracket in the public square outside our city hall down the road from the Bubble.
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I guess we're rooting for Washington. Or Montreal.
Wow, those choices suck. :lol
No, we play the winner of Isles/Caps. It's bracketed.
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I guess we're rooting for Washington. Or Montreal.
Wow, those choices suck. :lol
No, we play the winner of Isles/Caps. It's bracketed.
They're not re-seeding like they did after the play-in?
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It looks like its bracketed but I may be wrong.
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I guess we're rooting for Washington. Or Montreal.
Wow, those choices suck. :lol
No, we play the winner of Isles/Caps.
Yeah, if Montreal wins..
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No, I just read up. It does get reseated like Chad said.
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No, I just read up. It does get reseated like Chad said.
So when Philly and Isles finish things of, then it's Bs/Lightning.
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Reseated?
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No, Philly is #1. Lightning is #2 seed.
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Reseated?
He means re-SEEDED.
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Yes, thank you.
I'll assume it's Philly and Nick and I will be harassing each other.
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Reseated?
He means re-SEEDED.
Don't fall for it. :lol
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:lol
Tim, it's a stupid set up but I understand teams needed to get the rust off of them.
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There's no way the Bruins were going to be gifted a spot in the Conference Finals this year.
Rooting for Montreal and the Islanders.
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If that is the outcome the B's would play the Isles.
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If that is the outcome the B's would play the Isles.
Hell yes!!
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There's no way the Bruins were going to be gifted a spot in the Conference Finals this year.
Rooting for Montreal and the Islanders.
Montreal advancing would fuck up my entire bracket.
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If that is the outcome the B's would play the Isles.
Hell yes!!
So you want Cassidy to be spanked by Trotz?
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So we all know that playoff hockey is something completely different than the regular season. We also know that Olympic hockey is in a different universe.
Question - is it time to expand the NHL rink dimensions to match the Olympic dimensions which if I am correct (and I may not be correct) the rink size for the Olympics is based on what other countries use in their leagues.
In a word, no, because why should we?
If other countries jumped off a cliff should we also do so?
Easy - because it would make the US and US hockey more competitive. Don't ask why shouldn't we - ask why we should. If they could figure out the revenue thing then it wouldn't be hard to expand the arenas. It's only 15 feet.
More competitive with whom or what? The NHL is far and away the #1 professional hockey league in the world, and more than 2/3 of NHL players are from the U.S. or Canada.
Also, "the US and US hockey" are already pretty damn competitive in international hockey. I believe the U.S. is the #6 ranked team by the IIHF. Moreover, Canada, whose players play on NHL-sized rinks all the way up the chain, is the #1 ranked team. So, how exactly is it that converting NHL rinks to Olympic or international dimensions would "make the US and US hockey more competitive"?
Widespread support at the grassroots level is how the US gets better. That's how it works in all the powerhouse hockey nations. I believe the US has been getting better at the national level, and you can see it in the increased numbers meeting drafted out of the US National Development Program.
Exactly.
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Will Kirk Muller be coaching the Caps next season?
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I like Matt Niskanen a lot, but he totally deserved that suspension.
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Holy cow. This Stars/Flames game is a massacre. Six unanswered goals from the Stars after Flames started out 3-0 and the 2nd period is not even done. Nothing is working out for the Flames. Even a goalie switch after the 3rd goal ain't helping them.
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Holy cow. This Stars/Flames game is a massacre. Six unanswered goals from the Stars after Flames started out 3-0 and the 2nd period is not even done. Nothing is working out for the Flames. Even a goalie switch after the 3rd goal ain't helping them.
Yeah, Riddich looks awful. I was convinced they were going to get a 7th goal on that 2-on-1 with 15 seconds left in the period.
The 1st was the best period the Flames have played all playoffs, the 2nd was without question the worst.
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So......debating a rage post or just turning the page and checking out of the playoffs like the Blues did.
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^^ I say for your health, the second option. Just give the good old "Oh well," and tune out now. Then when we get into the post-cup discussions, you can rage all you want.
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So......debating a rage post or just turning the page and checking out of the playoffs like the Blues did.
I’d say the caps laid a bigger stinker. Frankly, so did Philly last night. They just had some immense puck luck to get that victory.
Still, there’s some good hockey to be watched. I’m looking forward to Tampa / Boston, and Colorado / Dallas. Isles should be able to handle the Flyers if the latter doesn’t get their head out their asses. And I think Vancouver is really punching out of their weight class against Vegas.
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Yeah....there’s no need for me to get bent out of shape. Blues had plenty of chances to win that series and they didn’t make the plays. I could list 15 excuses right now but fact is the matter is they’re out of that tournament so that’s that.
Not sure how engaged I’ll be in the remaining rounds though.
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I just watched the highlight package. Markstrom looked strong; Bennington did not. Those fist two goals were soft. Hard to fault him in the 3rd, and the 4th looked like it ricocheted off of Pietrangelo. Risky move by Berube to put him in, and it didn’t pay off. For as good as Bennington was last year, he was pretty awful this year.
No game 7s in round 1.
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Binnington was awful. Period. He should have been pulled after the second goal last night. Near every goal he let in was ‘soft’. And by that I mean they were goals that your goalie has to make if you expect to win a series or the cup. He made those last year
Markstrom won the series for them. Played great. But I really don’t think it matters all that much because both teams were playing for the honor to be knocked out by Vegas.
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Where has KevShmev been??
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Binnington was awful. Period. He should have been pulled after the second goal last night. Near every goal he let in was ‘soft’. And by that I mean they were goals that your goalie has to make if you expect to win a series or the cup. He made those last year
Markstrom won the series for them. Played great. But I really don’t think it matters all that much because both teams were playing for the honor to be knocked out by Vegas.
Nah... like I said, that 3rd one the Canuck's pinballed that between every player before Hughes made a perfect shot off the post. No way to fault Binners there. And I'm positive the 4th redirected off the shaft of Alex's stick.
Where has KevShmev been??
I know King said he was texting with him sometime recently. Think he got pissed thru P/R threads, and like many before him, pulled the ripcord on DTF.
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Where has KevShmev been??
I know King said he was texting with him sometime recently. Think he got pissed thru P/R threads, and like many before him, pulled the ripcord on DTF.
Yep. He gone. I've texted with him quite a bit but I believe there was some things in P/R that drove him to bolt.
Nah... like I said, that 3rd one the Canuck's pinballed that between every player before Hughes made a perfect shot off the post. No way to fault Binners there. And I'm positive the 4th redirected off the shaft of Alex's stick.
While there may have been bounce or redirection here or there......again, those are saves that need to be made and that were made in the Cup run. They were shots Markstrom was making and a host of other goalies were making to give their teams a chance to win. Outside of the first warm up against Chicago.....he did not look sharp AT ALL and he earned every bit of his .80% save percentage.
Listen...I'm grateful for the Cup victory last year and will forever remember that run and the atmosphere. But the fact of the matter is some teams/players came to the bubble to play hockey and some just fulfilled their obligation to the team/organization and now are heading home. I think StL had a lot of guys who really didn't feel like being here and it was echoed in their comments leading up to and during and after they were ousted.
One of the first comments Peitrangelo made was "now we can all go back to our wives and kids" :sad: Like I said, this is unprecedented and I can't imagine how hard that must have been.....but you don't win a series much less a Cup if your whole team hasn't 100% bought in on the mindset to do all you can to win games. It just wasn't there for the Blues and it showed. That's where my disappointment comes in. Losing happens....but to lose on a pretty poor effort from most involved is infuriating. Not to take anything away from the Canucks but....I mean.....well, anyway. One could see the intensity wasn't there and it was obvious which team wanted to be there and win and which one would rather be rocking kids to sleep.
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Where has KevShmev been??
I know King said he was texting with him sometime recently. Think he got pissed thru P/R threads, and like many before him, pulled the ripcord on DTF.
Yep. He gone. I've texted with him quite a bit but I believe there was some things in P/R that drove him to bolt.
Well, I guess I had a handle in that - looking at his last posts and the exchanges behind them. Oh well. I wasn’t that harsh with him, but I guess he felt otherwise.
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Where has KevShmev been??
I know King said he was texting with him sometime recently. Think he got pissed thru P/R threads, and like many before him, pulled the ripcord on DTF.
Yep. He gone. I've texted with him quite a bit but I believe there was some things in P/R that drove him to bolt.
Wow, that's really too bad.
What's even weirder is that it seems WildRanger has also disappeared.
Coincidence??
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Where has KevShmev been??
I know King said he was texting with him sometime recently. Think he got pissed thru P/R threads, and like many before him, pulled the ripcord on DTF.
Yep. He gone. I've texted with him quite a bit but I believe there was some things in P/R that drove him to bolt.
Well, I guess I had a handle in that - looking at his last posts and the exchanges behind them. Oh well. I wasn’t that harsh with him, but I guess he felt otherwise.
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He hasn’t mention to me specifics about it.....just that he was leaving. I don’t even know what conversation was happening. It’s a bummer for sure when members that have been here for a long time leave.
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Wow. I just realized that I dislike every team left in the East. And I also don’t like one in the West. I guess I’m rooting for Vegas this year.
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Wow. I just realized that I dislike every team left in the East. And I also don’t like one in the West. I guess I’m rooting for Vegas this year.
With no Toronto I’m rooting for the Lightning because of Pat Maroon. Colorado is fun to watch but I still can’t get over how much they benefited from the pause and format....actually Covid was the best thing to happen for them and Dallas....so they’re the two teams I’d be ‘angry’ to see win the cup.
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Gary, you are my enemy then. Lol
Again!
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While there may have been bounce or redirection here or there......again, those are saves that need to be made and that were made in the Cup run. They were shots Markstrom was making and a host of other goalies were making to give their teams a chance to win. Outside of the first warm up against Chicago.....he did not look sharp AT ALL and he earned every bit of his .80% save percentage.
Listen...I'm grateful for the Cup victory last year and will forever remember that run and the atmosphere. But the fact of the matter is some teams/players came to the bubble to play hockey and some just fulfilled their obligation to the team/organization and now are heading home. I think StL had a lot of guys who really didn't feel like being here and it was echoed in their comments leading up to and during and after they were ousted.
One of the first comments Peitrangelo made was "now we can all go back to our wives and kids" :sad: Like I said, this is unprecedented and I can't imagine how hard that must have been.....but you don't win a series much less a Cup if your whole team hasn't 100% bought in on the mindset to do all you can to win games. It just wasn't there for the Blues and it showed. That's where my disappointment comes in. Losing happens....but to lose on a pretty poor effort from most involved is infuriating. Not to take anything away from the Canucks but....I mean.....well, anyway. One could see the intensity wasn't there and it was obvious which team wanted to be there and win and which one would rather be rocking kids to sleep.
With no Toronto I’m rooting for the Lightning because of Pat Maroon. Colorado is fun to watch but I still can’t get over how much they benefited from the pause and format....actually Covid was the best thing to happen for them and Dallas....so they’re the two teams I’d be ‘angry’ to see win the cup.
So every year, I root for the Blues. I couldn't last year, obviously, but I'm happy they won their Cup. But I'm also glad they're out. It's been tough to watch them this year. Again, for obvious reasons.
I also firmly believe that Colorado was coming out of the West, Covid or no Covid.
That said, these games, while entertaining, are definitely lacking some intensity across the board.
There are so many parallels between the Blues '19 Cup and the Bruins '11 Cup. The Bruins got bounced in the first round the following year.
Every team has families at home, so I don't think what Petro said was any different to what anyone feels. But perhaps after a long Cup run, and the quarantine, they simply lacked the drive. The across the board lack of intensity will definitely affect a team like the Blues. I mean, their game is built on intensity.
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Tim, 💯 correct.
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While there may have been bounce or redirection here or there......again, those are saves that need to be made and that were made in the Cup run. They were shots Markstrom was making and a host of other goalies were making to give their teams a chance to win. Outside of the first warm up against Chicago.....he did not look sharp AT ALL and he earned every bit of his .80% save percentage.
Listen...I'm grateful for the Cup victory last year and will forever remember that run and the atmosphere. But the fact of the matter is some teams/players came to the bubble to play hockey and some just fulfilled their obligation to the team/organization and now are heading home. I think StL had a lot of guys who really didn't feel like being here and it was echoed in their comments leading up to and during and after they were ousted.
One of the first comments Peitrangelo made was "now we can all go back to our wives and kids" :sad: Like I said, this is unprecedented and I can't imagine how hard that must have been.....but you don't win a series much less a Cup if your whole team hasn't 100% bought in on the mindset to do all you can to win games. It just wasn't there for the Blues and it showed. That's where my disappointment comes in. Losing happens....but to lose on a pretty poor effort from most involved is infuriating. Not to take anything away from the Canucks but....I mean.....well, anyway. One could see the intensity wasn't there and it was obvious which team wanted to be there and win and which one would rather be rocking kids to sleep.
With no Toronto I’m rooting for the Lightning because of Pat Maroon. Colorado is fun to watch but I still can’t get over how much they benefited from the pause and format....actually Covid was the best thing to happen for them and Dallas....so they’re the two teams I’d be ‘angry’ to see win the cup.
So every year, I root for the Blues. I couldn't last year, obviously, but I'm happy they won their Cup. But I'm also glad they're out. It's been tough to watch them this year. Again, for obvious reasons.
I also firmly believe that Colorado was coming out of the West, Covid or no Covid.
That said, these games, while entertaining, are definitely lacking some intensity across the board.
There are so many parallels between the Blues '19 Cup and the Bruins '11 Cup. The Bruins got bounced in the first round the following year.
Every team has families at home, so I don't think what Petro said was any different to what anyone feels. But perhaps after a long Cup run, and the quarantine, they simply lacked the drive. The across the board lack of intensity will definitely affect a team like the Blues. I mean, their game is built on intensity.
Yeah....I know all those players are in the same boat as far as family and being sequestered. But I think you’re right that they weren’t up to the task of hearing back up yet again for this tournament.
They had no cup hangover and were one of three or four teams that were firing on all cylinders heading into the playoffs. They were set for a deep run. I’ll disagree with you about Colorado because McKinnon was hurt and out for at least two rounds and so was their starting goalie. The pause saved them.
All in all there just wasn’t enough mental gas left in the tank for them. Oh well. There will be some great hockey player but we all can see and feel the difference....there’s no escaping it.
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I’ll disagree with you about Colorado because McKinnon was hurt and out for at least two rounds and so was their starting goalie. The pause saved them.
Yeah, perhaps, but they just seemed like the team to beat to me. I also expected way more out of Calgary.
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Oh, damn, I didn't realize there was a game on tonight..
Avs lol
If not for the Bruins, I'd root for Rick Bowness to win the Cup.
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BTW Kev says he's also rooting for Tampa Bay. He's dead to me too. :lol
I should gave said, "Finally, a Brady fan." :lol
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Gary, you are my enemy then. Lol
Again!
It’s only the Pat Maroon connection. Oh and, the fact you have that douche bag Marchand on your team. :lol
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Gary, you are my enemy then. Lol
Again!
It’s only the Pat Maroon connection. Oh and, the fact you have that douche bag Marchand everyone not named Bergeron on your team. :lol
Fix’d :biggrin:
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:lol
Going to be one hell of a series.
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Gary, you are my enemy then. Lol
Again!
It’s only the Pat Maroon connection. Oh and, the fact you have that douche bag Marchand everyone not named Bergeron on your team. :lol
Fix’d :biggrin:
Well yeah of course but I was trying to be nice. :lol
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Are you pussies gonna call the police when Chara puts someone into a stantion? :lol
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Go STARS!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKqwX_nTy5c
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Todd Reirden fired!
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Just remembered that Jamal Adams, who forced my New York Jets to trade him by being a greedy asshole, is a Stars fan. So add them to the list of teams I don’t want to see win. I guess I’m rooting for either the Golden Knights or Avalanche.
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Todd Reirden fired!
Shocker. 2 straight terrible playoff exits will do that.
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Todd Reirden fired!
Shocker. 2 straight terrible playoff exits will do that.
I'd like to see Kirk Muller get a shot. He seemed to have control of the Habs' bench. Hopefully not some retread like Bruce Budreau or Mike Yeo.
What am I saying hopefully? :facepalm:
I hate the Calitals. :lol
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Todd Reirden fired!
Shocker. 2 straight terrible playoff exits will do that.
I'd like to see Kirk Muller get a shot. He seemed to have control of the Habs' bench. Hopefully not some retread like Bruce Budreau or Mike Yeo.
Hitchcock??
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Todd Reirden fired!
Shocker. 2 straight terrible playoff exits will do that.
I'd like to see Kirk Muller get a shot. He seemed to have control of the Habs' bench. Hopefully not some retread like Bruce Budreau or Mike Yeo.
Hitchcock??
Does he want to coach?
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Eastern Conference Finals starts tonight. Only 2020 would put that series in the second round. ;D
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Glad to see Chad and Gary disappointed for game 1.
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Yeah, I don't see the Canucks being competitive at all in this series based off what I'm seeing on Game 1. Don't think they are putting much of a fight and look like a threat at all and Golden Knights are playing pretty fluidly.
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Glad to see Chad and Gary disappointed for game 1.
Let's take it to the NBA thread, and see who gets disappointed.
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Glad to see Chad and Gary disappointed for game 1.
Let's take it to the NBA thread, and see who gets disappointed.
Or you could take it to the MLB thread, where everyone should be disappointed.
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Nick, MLB is dead to me this year and Chad, you know it's on!
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Glad to see Chad and Gary disappointed for game 1.
Let's take it to the NBA thread, and see who gets disappointed.
Or you could take it to the MLB thread, where everyone should be disappointed.
:rollin
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Wow! Dallas looks great!
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Wow! Dallas looks great!
When you lose 2 key pieces of your defense, its going to be tough to stop Dallas.
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Wow! Dallas looks great!
When you lose 2 key pieces of your defense, its going to be tough to stop Dallas.
Sure, and Calgary lost Tkachuk.
But I thought the Flames and the Avs were really good teams. I'm not going to take anything away from the Stars here.
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I do wish the Stars would lose their tendency to go down a couple of goals at the beginning of the game but as long as they keep winning!
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I do wish the Stars would lose their tendency to go down a couple of goals at the beginning of the game but as long as they keep winning!
I held the opinion that the Stanley Cup winner was coming out of the Blues/Stars series last year. Both teams were beasts and it looks like the Stars are grooving again. They were one of a few teams that the Covid pause really helped given the way they were playing heading into the real playoffs and the injuries they had....good on them for getting it back together.
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I do wish the Stars would lose their tendency to go down a couple of goals at the beginning of the game but as long as they keep winning!
I held the opinion that the Stanley Cup winner was coming out of the Blues/Stars series last year. Both teams were beasts and it looks like the Stars are grooving again. They were one of a few teams that the Covid pause really helped given the way they were playing heading into the real playoffs and the injuries they had....good on them for getting it back together.
Oh the Blues ripped my heart out during that series! >:(
And to make matters worse, the Blues were raising the Championship banner same night DT played in St. Louis! :censored
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Leafs trade Kapanen.
First round pick is good.
Chad...thoughts?
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I do wish the Stars would lose their tendency to go down a couple of goals at the beginning of the game but as long as they keep winning!
I held the opinion that the Stanley Cup winner was coming out of the Blues/Stars series last year. Both teams were beasts and it looks like the Stars are grooving again. They were one of a few teams that the Covid pause really helped given the way they were playing heading into the real playoffs and the injuries they had....good on them for getting it back together.
Oh the Blues ripped my heart out during that series! >:(
And to make matters worse, the Blues were raising the Championship banner same night DT played in St. Louis! :censored
Yep. Me and my sons went down for the tailgate celebration pre game then to the DT concert. Was a fun night.
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Leafs trade Kapanen.
First round pick is good.
Chad...thoughts?
On my way out the door. Remind me again if I forget tonight, tomorrow morning. Short answer is it’s good for the team/business; I’m mostly neutral about it.
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Fudge.
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Series over.
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Man you are negative. This is a 6 or 7 game series. Let's see tomorrow. Btw, I'll be in VT. I may be home late.
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All right, I take everything back from what I last said about the Canucks/Vegas series. Canucks look good today. Having Tyler Toffoli back in their line-up can make a difference. Not surprised. We got a good series in the making now.
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Few teams have ever gone deep into the playoffs with their backup goalie. John Casey backing up Fuhr is one of the few I can think of, and still, St. Lou didn't get to the finals. I can't think of a single Cup finalist team that did so without their #1 goalie
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Leafs trade Kapanen.
First round pick is good.
Chad...thoughts?
Like I said... good deal business-wise for the Leafs, and the Pens too I believe. So many teams are going to be more REAL salary constrained than Cap-salary constrained. In Kapanen, the Pens get a very versatile player (he's fast, pesky, plays the PK, can play the PP) - hell, they drafted him in the 1st round. His base salary is only $1.8M and $800k for the next two years. So, they get a guy who can be a Top6(ish) forward, for a lot less than his cap-hit.
The Leafs get a first rounder, and a prospect that was in their sights last year (Filip Hållander), and a 1st round pick they desperately need. Not sure if they'll keep Evan Rodrigues, if they do, it'll likely be at the league min, or a tryout contract. I seem to remember seeing him in Buffalo, and iirc he was a scrappy 4th-liner. Something the Leafs need more of.
Kapanen (and potentially Johnsson... or if Dubas really has a set of stones, Nylander) became a tradable commodities for 2 reasons - much lower base-salary vs Cap-salary, and Nic Robertson (their top Jr. prospect) showing he's got the ability to be an NHL'r next year. I think Dubas is willing to put his chips in with him and Ilya Mikheyev as their #6/#7 forwards (Hyman being their #5 guy).
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He almost has to trim Nylander if he wants to build a better balanced team.
Do you think signing Tavares to that contract was a mistake?
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He almost has to trim Nylander if he wants to build a better balanced team.
Do you think signing Tavares to that contract was a mistake?
I don't know if "mistake" is the right word. "Unnecessary" is probably more accurate. Hind-sight is 20/20, and a few things they've done haven't quite panned out as he planned. They've got more than enough offensive talent, and as Dallas/Vegas/Boston/Tampa are continuing to prove, role-players, grinders, and a solid Top-4 D are crucial to playoff success. FFS, Blake Coleman had 2 goals last night. Tampa loses a guy like McDonagh, and still can throw out 7 D that do the job. After Reilly and Muzzin, the Leafs D is filled out by guys that should be (barely) #6 on the average depth chart.
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Coleman really stood out during the whole game.
Yeah, I can go with "unnecessary" regarding JT. Who the fuck is Dubas anyway, and what the hell has he ever done to get that job?
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Coleman really stood out during the whole game.
Yeah, I can go with "unnecessary" regarding JT. Who the fuck is Dubas anyway, and what the hell has he ever done to get that job?
He was Lou's Ass't GM, and the GM of the Marlies (AHL affiliate), whom he built to be a Calder Cup winning team. He proved himself in the Juniors and Minors as a very successful team-builder.
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Well, alright then..
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John Casey backing up Fuhr is one of the few I can think of, and still, St. Lou didn't get to the finals.
Gee...I wonder why we had to rely on our backup?
To no fault of his. I've re-watched that brutal 'Steve Yzyerman' game a few times over the past couple years and Casey played incredible. Shoot.....it could have been 4-0 Redwings in the first period if not for the saves he was making.
The Blues missed out on several golden chances to win that game prior to the goal that ripped the hear out of every StL fan.
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All right, I take everything back from what I last said about the Canucks/Vegas series. Canucks look good today. Having Tyler Toffoli back in their line-up can make a difference. Not surprised. We got a good series in the making now.
Damn...I forgot the Kings traded him. :sad:
Isn't Tanner Pearson also in Vancouver?
Few teams have ever gone deep into the playoffs with their backup goalie. John Casey backing up Fuhr is one of the few I can think of, and still, St. Lou didn't get to the finals. I can't think of a single Cup finalist team that did so without their #1 goalie
How quickly we forget. 2016 Matt Murray says hello.
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Few teams have ever gone deep into the playoffs with their backup goalie. John Casey backing up Fuhr is one of the few I can think of, and still, St. Lou didn't get to the finals. I can't think of a single Cup finalist team that did so without their #1 goalie
How quickly we forget. 2016 Matt Murray says hello.
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Didn't Matt Murray start in the playoffs from the get go that season?
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Few teams have ever gone deep into the playoffs with their backup goalie. John Casey backing up Fuhr is one of the few I can think of, and still, St. Lou didn't get to the finals. I can't think of a single Cup finalist team that did so without their #1 goalie
For the 2010 Flyers you could argue over who their #1 goalie was, and even if you called it Boucher as he had slightly more time than two other guys during the season, they rotated him with Leighton in the playoffs anyway, with Leighton getting slightly more minutes there. So I'd say they got within two wins of the cup without a solid #1 goalie. I'm not saying I recommend that, but I think it's applicable to your point.
During season TOI was split between three guys, 1,742, 1,683, and 1,449, while in playoffs it was 655 and 757. `
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All right, I take everything back from what I last said about the Canucks/Vegas series. Canucks look good today. Having Tyler Toffoli back in their line-up can make a difference. Not surprised. We got a good series in the making now.
Damn...I forgot the Kings traded him. :sad:
Isn't Tanner Pearson also in Vancouver?
Yep...... After Pearson didn't quite pan out well for the Penguins in the initial trade for Carl Hagelin (which also didn't quite pan out well for Kings where they didn't get great value for him at the trade deadline in 2019) to Kings, he got traded to Vancouver.
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Tarasenko’s last shoulder surgery was unsuccessful and did not ‘work’. He goes under the knife again next week......re-evaluated in 5 months. It’s likely his career is over. Brutal.
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Tarasenko’s last shoulder surgery was unsuccessful and did not ‘work’. He goes under the knife again next week......re-evaluated in 5 months. It’s likely his career is over. Brutal.
That is some devastating news for Blues fans. He is one of the best players in St. Louis and a locker room leader. They most likely don't rally to win the cup last year without his leadership and talent. My heart goes out to you guys. Even after a Stanley Cup victory, you can't catch a break.
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Few teams have ever gone deep into the playoffs with their backup goalie. John Casey backing up Fuhr is one of the few I can think of, and still, St. Lou didn't get to the finals. I can't think of a single Cup finalist team that did so without their #1 goalie
How quickly we forget. 2016 Matt Murray says hello.
Didn't Matt Murray start in the playoffs from the get go that season?
No.
Marc-Andre Fleury was the #1 goalie for the Penguins in 2015-16, playing in and starting 58 games before going down with a concussion in a game against Nashville on 3/31/2016. Murray and Jeff Zatkoff split time as Fleury's backup, and Murray started four of the Pens' final five regular season games, while Zatkoff started the final regular season game. Zatkoff was the starting goalie in the Pens' first two playoff games against the Rangers before Murray took over and started the remaining games against the Rangers, all six games in the second-round series against Washington, and the first four games in the ECF against Tampa. Murray was pulled in favor of Fleury after the second period in the game 4 loss. Fleury then started game 5, which the Pens lost, and it was all Murray from there on out.
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Tarasenko’s last shoulder surgery was unsuccessful and did not ‘work’. He goes under the knife again next week......re-evaluated in 5 months. It’s likely his career is over. Brutal.
That is some devastating news for Blues fans. He is one of the best players in St. Louis and a locker room leader. They most likely don't rally to win the cup last year without his leadership and talent. My heart goes out to you guys. Even after a Stanley Cup victory, you can't catch a break.
Also, he freaking scores a ton of goals. I forgot the exact stat but since 2014 he’s third in goals scored. His playoff goal/points totals are pretty high as well. Just a hard core competitor that wants nothing but to win. I can’t imagine if he does return to play that he ever regains that top tier level again.
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Fair rebuttals to my hypothesis - tho the Flyers example is more of a tandem pairing than a starter/backup). And yes, I did forget the backdrop of Flower/Murray in ‘16. Also, I don’t subscribe to the notion that Grebauer was the #1 goal one for the Caps in ‘18. I think it kinda proves my point - a backup is more likely to play a role in a prompt elimination, than take a team on a deep run. Ergo, Colorado is fucked.
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Tarasenko’s last shoulder surgery was unsuccessful and did not ‘work’. He goes under the knife again next week......re-evaluated in 5 months. It’s likely his career is over. Brutal.
That is some devastating news for Blues fans. He is one of the best players in St. Louis and a locker room leader. They most likely don't rally to win the cup last year without his leadership and talent. My heart goes out to you guys. Even after a Stanley Cup victory, you can't catch a break.
Being a Stars fan, I can't bring myself to root for the Blues. However, if I had one wish in sports it's that nobody would ever get hurt especially to the point of a career ending injury. I feel for the athlete, I feel for their family and I feel for the fans and selfishly, when my team goes up against your team, I want both teams at full strength so there's no question about the end result.
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I concur. Those are the kind of things you never want to wish for on a player (even if that player plays for a rival team).
On a different note, what the heck is going on in Arizona where the league is forcing the Coyotes to forfeit their 2nd round pick in 2020 and their 1st round pick in 2021?
https://media.nhl.com/public/news/14263
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I concur. Those are the kind of things you never want to wish for on a player (even if that player plays for a rival team).
On a different note, what the heck is going on in Arizona where the league is forcing the Coyotes to forfeit their 2nd round pick in 2020 and their 1st round pick in 2021?
https://media.nhl.com/public/news/14263
Sounds like the issue is incompetent management in Arizona. Fairly common knowledge that you can't conduct interviews and have draft prospects workout prior to draft week and the combine.
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Enjoyed the Flyers game this afternoon, but really enjoying watching the Bruins this evening!
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Seems Nick only pokes his head out of the ground when the Flyers win.
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Bruins look awful. They're not in Tampa's league. Their young players are getting skated out of the building.
Chara..holy shit.
Bergeron wears the C next year.
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Bruins look awful. They're not in Tampa's league. Their young players are getting skated out of the building.
Chara..holy shit.
Bergeron wears the C next year.
Tough to compete without your top goalie. I didn’t get to see much of the game tonight so I don’t know the specifics......but it’s safe to say Tampa has a chip on their shoulder from last year right now.
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The Bruins wouldn't win a series against Tampa WITH Rask, nevermind Halak.
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How many times must we see this picture? Is it that hard to keep the Stars down and protect a lead against this team?
Edit: Holy crap, this game is pretty wide open in the last half of the 3rd.
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Missed the first 1/2 of the Bruins/Lightning game, and by then! It was all but over. Man did Boston look bad. Left Vlader hung out to dry on all 3 of the goals against him. How many breakaways did TB have? 4 or 5 that I saw.
Nice to see the Avis regroup after giving up a 3 goal lead.
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Seems Nick only pokes his head out of the ground when the Flyers win.
I'm just glad you don't have a similar policy for the Bruins, I'd hate to be without you till next season. :biggrin:
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Nope. I man up after a loss. ;D
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Maybe nick can edit the thread title, since Kev pulled the ripcord on the forum.
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Done.
And for the record, I haven't posted too much in general lately, but I'll give my thoughts on this round so far.
Starting with the Flyers I don't think they were as bad in game one as the score and commentary would suggest, or as good in game two as the commentary suggests. That said if they start firing on all cylinders again I don't see them being stopped before maybe the finals. Question is can they get the top end moving again consistently. Not worried about depth, defense, or goal-tending. Islanders are a great team, but we have them beat if we're at our best, same with Bruins and Tampa right now.
Speaking of which, Tampa is hungry. They beat back the absolute shitshow that was last years postseason, got a quick punch against them when the Bruins took game 1, but got woken up and are not looking back. Bruins might muster enough to sneak another game in, but I have Tampa taking it in six at most.
Out west I think the Knights will steady and beat the Cannucks without too much issue. Cannucks won game 2 and showed some life, but I think this year the Knights just have the stronger team. If things keep looking up for Vancouver and they meet again in a year or two likely a different outcome.
How fun is this Stars / Avalanche series?!? I'm just sad the Avs are beat up and we don't have the best of the best of each going at it. I think if they were at full strength they could dictate the outcome, but now as long as the Stars play their best they have the series in hand. Still likely to be the toughest series to call, and I think it goes 7 games either way.
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I think Boston will bounce back - they certainly aren't as bad as they played last night. Tampa is just much deeper than the Bruins. After the top-6, the Bs are pretty thin up front. Same with the D - third pairing definitely goes to the Lightning. Chara is looking very much like a 42-year old.
I hope the Flyers can make a series out of it. I fear that Trotz can/will out-coach Vigneault.
Vegas should win out at this point. I don't see the Canucks continuing to over-perform as they have. They'll go as far as Markstrom takes them.
Avs... yeah, shame Grebauer is injured. If Francouz can be even a B+ goalie, they might have a chance, but I think Dallas moves on.
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I think Boston will bounce back - they certainly aren't as bad as they played last night. Tampa is just much deeper than the Bruins. After the top-6, the Bs are pretty thin up front. Same with the D - third pairing definitely goes to the Lightning. Chara is looking very much like a 42-year old.
I hope the Flyers can make a series out of it. I fear that Trotz can/will out-coach Vigneault.
Vegas should win out at this point. I don't see the Canucks continuing to over-perform as they have. They'll go as far as Markstrom takes them.
Avs... yeah, shame Grebauer is injured. If Francouz can be even a B+ goalie, they might have a chance, but I think Dallas moves on.
Avs lost a veteran defender too... so that D is pretty screwed up against a team that can score.
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No games today make me a sad guy, but I can understand why that's the case, and that's all I'm going to say regarding that.
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No games today make me a sad guy, but I can understand why that's the case, and that's all I'm going to say regarding that.
Yeah. Um. I’ve not fully commented on this as to respect those that may agree with the decision.
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Looks like hockey is set to resume tomorrow most likely, so my question is which teams benefit from the extra break?
Islanders - Although I absolutely think the Flyers have the higher potential the Islanders have been more consistent. With two extra days off we'll still see the same Islanders. Flyers were putting some good things together in game 2 and would have been definitely been best served going straight to game 3 the next day.
Bruins - After such a wallop the extra days to study and change some things up helps them regroup.
Knights / Canucks - Don't see a big impact here.
Avs / Stars - Same, unless the two days make a difference in Avs players returning. Both teams have some extra time to figure out how to stop the scoring pace of the other team.
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Solid victory by the Isles and Lightning. Isle have a solid gameplan under Trotz. I think they're going to be hard for Philly to beat. Halak should've had that second goal, and the third was just some solid (bad) luck.
Knights look like they'll roll over the Canucks. That first goal by Tuch was gorgeous.
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Series over.
Well, you called it.
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Ironically that was BY FAR the best game the Bruins played in the bubble. Halak was amazing in this game.
Victor Hedman owned this series though.
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Again the top line dissapeared when it mattered. Goal scoring is what lost this series. Not goaltending.
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Maroon with a nice screen but Halak did everything he could to keep Boston in that game. Joe nailed it......top scorers didn’t show up for Boston.
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On a side note, when I saw the Avs go up 5-0, I'm feeling like that lead is nothing early, the Stars will find a way to slowly crawl back. It's 5-2 in late 2nd. This W is not certain yet for the Avs.
Edit: Ehhh, 6-2. I still think the Stars can make a comeback.
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Maroon with a nice screen
I thought of you. It's funny, but I didn't notice Maroon all game. No way little Krugie was going to push his fat ass out of the way.
Going to be an interesting off season for the Bruins. I told Joe offline that Bergeron wears the C whether Chara comes back or not. The NBC crew seemed pretty sure about Chara being done in Boston, even saying that if he plays, he won't be wearing a Bostin sweater.
It was notable as Chara stormed directly off the ice after the handshake line. Usually, Chara and Bergeron stand at the door as the team exits the ice. Last night it was only Bergeron. If that wasn't passing the torch, I don't know what is.
The Bruins with very little cap room will likely be unable to resign Krug (UFA). Debrusk is in line for his second contract, but he is barely a 2nd line winger. And Rask is entering the final year of his contract.
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That was one of those games where the better team more deserving of the win didn’t get it. Hey peppered Vasilevsky, but it didn’t seem like there were a lot of high quality chances. I got he sense that TB had more dangerous chances, and Halak was up to the task, as opposed to the last two games. And all without Kucherov. Wonder how long he’ll be out for?
If the Isle finish off the Flyers, it’ll be interesting to see if they can slow down the Bolts. They look like they’re on a mission.
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May not have to worry about that Tim if Chara retires and it sounds like that is a possibility.
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Speaking of which, Tampa is hungry. They beat back the absolute shitshow that was last years postseason, got a quick punch against them when the Bruins took game 1, but got woken up and are not looking back. Bruins might muster enough to sneak another game in, but I have Tampa taking it in six at most.
To be fair, I think the Bs played well enough to win that last game, but sometimes things don't go your way. If the Islanders win tonight against a sputtering Flyers team Tampa should eat them alive, again in 5 or 6. That said if somehow the Flyers manage to right the ship this round they will give the Bolts a hell of a run next round.
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This is logic that I cannot comprehend. If Isle win, they'll get manhandled by the Bolts. But the Flyers could give them a run for their money, when they're on the verge of getting eliminated by a team that you think can't.
:splode:
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This is logic that I cannot comprehend. If Isle win, they'll get manhandled by the Bolts. But the Flyers could give them a run for their money, when they're on the verge of getting eliminated by a team that you think can't.
I'll do this in numbers to make it a bit easier to explain.
Tampa have played as a consistent 9, which is what you'd expect.
Isles have played as a consistent 8, which is what you'd expect.
Flyers have been playing at 7 or 7.5 this round, which is why they are down to the Islanders, but are capable of playing at 9, and if they can somehow manage to get back there they might turn this series around, and if so can potentially beat Tampa as well.
It comes down to the Islanders have not been winning the series because they are the better team, they are winning it because the Flyers have not played overly well.
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Everyone is capable of playing to a 9 or a 7 at anytime - Dallas / Avs series is proving that at this very moment. Wish for the Flyers to play *consistently* to a 9 all you want, it hasn't happened yet.
A wish in one hand, and shit in the other ... see which fills up first.
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Everyone is capable of playing to a 9 or a 7 at anytime - Dallas / Avs series is proving that at this very moment. Wish for the Flyers to play *consistently* to a 9 all you want, it hasn't happened yet.
A wish in one hand, and shit in the other ... see which fills up first.
Disagree on both counts. Teams have ceilings, that is the best they are capable of playing given everyone doing their absolute best. Islanders are there, Tampa is there, Flyers are not even close. Parts of the round robin and certainly the end of the regular season showed what our ceiling is.
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Everyone is capable of playing to a 9 or a 7 at anytime - Dallas / Avs series is proving that at this very moment. Wish for the Flyers to play *consistently* to a 9 all you want, it hasn't happened yet.
A wish in one hand, and shit in the other ... see which fills up first.
Disagree on both counts. Teams have ceilings, that is the best they are capable of playing given everyone doing their absolute best. Islanders are there, Tampa is there, Flyers are not even close. Parts of the round robin and certainly the end of the regular season showed what our ceiling is.
I agree with that. I mean, Detroit is only so good. But, I do believe that the Islanders are capable of shutting down ANY team. Don't underestimate Trotz, or the power of a defensive minded style/system. Hell, it made the Devils a contender and 3-time winner for a decade. The Isles very much remind me of that NJD team/system.
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If you have a group of guys that are 'all in' on your coaches system and message......that's a hard team to beat. you start getting the results and the belief that no one can beat you crops in and the next thing you know you're dominating. There are some stinker teams out there that simply don't have the talent....but in large part most of the teams in the NHL have the talent available that if properly motivated....could turn into a team that is really tough to beat.
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That looked like goalie interference to me.🤷♂️
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That looked like goalie interference to me.🤷♂️
Yeah, I am not happy about that. I am all for factoring if a guy was pushed into the crease. But he just fucking stood there, and then on top of it grabbed a Flyers stick. I am prepared to lose this series, but I'd rather not see it decided by bullshit like that.
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That looked like goalie interference to me.🤷♂️
Yeah, I am not happy about that. I am all for factoring if a guy was pushed into the crease. But he just fucking stood there, and then on top of it grabbed a Flyers stick. I am prepared to lose this series, but I'd rather not see it decided by bullshit like that.
Luckily it didn’t matter, and as a Rangers fan I don’t particularly like either of these teams, but that type of non-call just shouldn’t happen in the second round of the playoffs. Oh well. The Flyers ended up winning anyway and my bracket stays un-fucked for at least one more game lol.
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As much as there was improvement for the Flyers it's unnerving they let a late lead slip in both of their victories this round. But at least now there is hope they are going in the right direction and could actually maybe squeak this out.
How about that Vancouver game though?
On one hand, how cool for Thatcher Demko to have his first playoff start and save 42 of 43 carrying his team to victory. On the other hand how the fuck do the Canucks allow a goalie in his first playoff game take 43 shots on goal?!?
A great story for that game, but further cements that there is 0% chance the Knights lose the next two games.
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Jake Allen traded to Montreal for a 3rd and 7th first round picks in 2020 and 7th round in 2022. That clears $4.35 million cap space next year. Looks like they're trying to make room to sign Petrangelo.....but from what's been reported the sides 'aren't close'. I'm curious as to if it's the salary or term length....or both? 8 years for a 30 year old defender with the mileage he has on him is crazy to do. He will be 'worth' it for 3, maybe 4 more seasons but after that you're paying for an aging defender who is worsening with every shift.
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On one hand, how cool for Thatcher Demko to have his first playoff start and save 42 of 43 carrying his team to victory. On the other hand how the fuck do the Canucks allow a goalie in his first playoff game take 43 shots on goal?!?
A great story for that game, but further cements that there is 0% chance the Knights lose the next two games.
No kidding. And the types of saves as well. There were a lot of tough ones.....it's really surprising at least one or two of them didn't go in. It was just his night.
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Man did I get it completely backwards. After all three series were at 2-1, I said to jingle.son that I thought Boston/TB was the only one that would go 6 or 7. :lolpalm:
Amazing how quick the tides can turn. Dallas seems rather ordinary now. Hutchinson let a softie in, and got lucky on at least two other pucks that went thru him, but didn't get across the line.
Isles and Vegas close things out tonight.
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Isles off to a great start for that!
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That may be the single worst challenge I've ever seen a coach make.
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Huge PK by the Flyers.
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Was watching the Raptors miracle win, but now watching OT. By the sounds of it, Varlomov has single handed lay kept the Flyers in this.
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single handed lay
The story of everyone's youth.
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single handed lay
The story of everyone's youth.
:rollin :rollin
What a glorious autocorrect
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Pussy move there by Giroux to scream and shake his hand on that slash to his STICK.
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single handed lay
The story of everyone's youth.
:rollin :rollin
What a glorious autocorrect
That was Shmegland-esque! :lol
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Wonder what Nick is doing Saturday night?
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Single hand lay?
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Single hand lay?
:spitcoffee:
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The longer this series goes, the more rest Tampa gets. The more rest Tampa gets, the more dangerous they are. It’s looking very likely that they take the East.
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Whistles..... 3 series where a team lead the series 3-1 is now going to 7 games. One of the Knights, Islanders, Stars got to win one of these right?
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Man did I get it completely backwards. After all three series were at 2-1, I said to jingle.son that I thought Boston/TB was the only one that would go 6 or 7. :lolpalm:
Amazing how quick the tides can turn. Dallas seems rather ordinary now. Hutchinson let a softie in, and got lucky on at least two other pucks that went thru him, but didn't get across the line.
Isles and Vegas close things out tonight.
I AM SMASHING IT WITH MY PREDICTIONS!!! :lol
Holy smokes does Thatcher Demko look amazing! Tonight ought to be interesting. B2B for a Game 7 is nuts!
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You know, I really would've appreciated it if the Stars made it out of the second round last year.
I'm rooting for Dallas. I would love to see Rick Bowness win the Cup.
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I know I said it before, but how freaking amazing was that Avs/Stars series?
I still feel confident that if Vegas plays the way they've been they will win tonight. Demko can only do so much and their luck has to run out.
As for Saturday night, Chad, any chance you could predict a huge blowout by the Islanders?
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Yeah, if I'm the Golden Knights, I know that Canucks are not putting pressure on Lehner right now. They just got to keep pounding on Demko. All they need is only one to go in and ride the rest of the way to the next round.
Edit: Yep, Golden Knights had that one goal and that's all they needed to cruise the last 6 minutes of the game.
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The Knights are almost unbelievable at this point. SCF in their inaugural season, 2nd round (?) in 2nd season, at least the WCF in 3rd season. Crazy shit. Setting the bar pretty high for Seattle
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They didn't actually make it past the 1st round in 2019. They lost in Game 7 to the Sharks as a result to a pretty darn controversial penalty that was a major which led the Sharks to scoring 4(!) PP goals on that major penalty in the 3rd to take the lead. Funny how that wasn't even the end of the twist to that game since the Knights tied it to force OT and then the Sharks won in OT.
The Canucks probably wished they had that magic on the Ryan Reaves major today, but that team wasn't going to score on this night.
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Yeah... Canucks were flat and lacked energy last night. Guess they blew their load just to get to game 7. Demko was still off the charts excellent, but that offense was awful. 1 shot on a 5-min PP??
@ Nick...no, I predict a low-scoring 3-2 win - probably for the Isles. Maybe 4-2 if they get an EN.
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DALLAS STARS BABY!!!! :metal :metal :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKqwX_nTy5c
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That was one crazy game yesterday between Dallas and Colorado, especially the 3rd period! I couldn't believe how close the Stars came to winning it in the dying seconds. I was rooting for them just because no fan base deserves to see their team lose in Game 7 Overtime in the 2nd round two years in a row. It's going to be one hell of a series against Vegas!
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Ugh. Flyers took a step back this game. There were flashes in the 2nd from them, but unless they come out as a dominant team in the 3rd the season is over for them.
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Official '19-'20 NHL Thread - v. Flyers are Philly Bound.
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Official '19-'20 NHL Thread - v. Flyers are Philly Bound.
Official '19-'20 NHL Thread - v. At Least Flyers Could Push to Seven Games
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Official '19-'20 NHL Thread - v. Flyers are Philly Bound.
Official '19-'20 NHL Thread - v. At Least Flyers Could Push to Seven Games
Official '19-'20 NHL Thread - v. Flyers would've been swept by Tampa and the Bruins would've beat the Islanders in 5.
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Official '19-'20 NHL Thread - v. Flyers are Philly Bound.
Official '19-'20 NHL Thread - v. At Least Flyers Could Push to Seven Games
Official '19-'20 NHL Thread - v. Flyers would've been swept by Tampa and the Bruins would've beat the Islanders in 5.
Official '19-'20 NHL Thread - v. Leafs still suck more (most)
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Official '19-'20 NHL Thread - v. Flyers are Philly Bound.
Official '19-'20 NHL Thread - v. At Least Flyers Could Push to Seven Games
Official '19-'20 NHL Thread - v. Bruins would've beat the Islanders in 5.
Now you're getting a little delusional.
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Nah, not at all. Nothing against the Islanders, but they ain't Tampa. I guess we'll find out next round. That series will not see a game 6.
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Welp. My bracket is fucked.
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Nah, not at all. Nothing against the Islanders, but they ain't Tampa. I guess we'll find out next round. That series will not see a game 6.
No one is beating Tampa. I’ve held that belief since the start of the tournament.
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Victor Hedman is a fucking beast and is easily a Top 5 player in the league. The best d man for sure.
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Victor Hedman is a fucking beast and is easily a Top 5 player in the league. The best d man for sure.
Without a doubt. Kucherov's status will play a big role in the series. If he's back, Tampa should roll right over the Isles. If not, that's one less threat to have to stifle, and maybe the Isles could get a couple of wins. Goaltending edge is definitely in Tampa's favour. Still, never underestimate the power of a strong defensive scheme.
I'd be stunned if it goes to 6 or 7 games, but in the quest for Lord Stanley's mug, anything can happen.
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I'd be stunned if it goes to 6 or 7 games, but in the quest for Lord Stanley's mug, anything can happen.
Confirmed: 7 game series. :lol
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I'd be stunned if it goes to 6 or 7 games, but in the quest for Lord Stanley's mug, anything can happen.
Confirmed: 7 game series. :lol
Well, I at least got the Isles right! And 4 goals with an EN... so
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Pretty sure you picking the Isles was a favor to Nick. ;D
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Pretty sure you picking the Isles was a favor to Nick. ;D
I've never performed any favours for Nick! :lol
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Kind of feel bad for Stamkos: generational talent marred by catastrophic injuries. Hope the Lightning win the series so Stamkos can hopefully play.
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Well tonight's game is pretty much going as expected.
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Manhandling them.
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Which team sucked worse yesterday ... the Raptors or the Islanders? I haven't watched the game summary, but I heard the Bolts didn't miss a shot on net until 1 minute to go in the 3rd?!?!? :omg:
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Really nice article on Rick Bowness. He's the reason I'm rooting for Dallas.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/hockey-s-kevin-bacon-playoffs-are-6-degrees-of-rick-bowness/ar-BB18Wyxx?ocid=hplocalnews
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How many lives must this Dallas Stars team have? Won another series clinching game while behind. This time in 5 games after being down 2-0 in the 3rd to the Golden Knights.
Even though I should hate this team because of Corey Perry, at least, they got an intense goal song that was created from Pantera. Most tilting goal song ever? The Blackhawks one. It's frustrating to hear it if they score on your team on their ice, but it's funny to hear it when the Blachhawks scores on a team you hate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af8_9NP5lyw
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How many lives must this Dallas Stars team have? Won another series clinching game while behind. This time in 5 games after being down 2-0 in the 3rd to the Golden Knights.
Even though I should hate this team because of Corey Perry, at least, they got an intense goal song that was created from Pantera. Most tilting goal song ever? The Blackhawks one. It's frustrating to hear it if they score on your team on their ice, but it's funny to hear it when the Blachhawks scores on a team you hate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af8_9NP5lyw
This may be my bias, but I think the Rangers goal song is up there. I guess it’s because my family lives and breathes New York Rangers hockey (hell my sister and brother in law even made their wedding reception entrance to the song), but hearing a sold out MSG chant along to the words is absolutely amazing.
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GO STARS!
Puck off!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKqwX_nTy5c
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How many lives must this Dallas Stars team have?
It started with Covid saving their season. They were 14 pts behind the Blues (two games in hand so lets pretend they win both it's 10pts)......multiple injured players and heading for a certain first round bounce. Then covid happened and gave them and every team new life.
They made the best of it I suppose......and I still believe that the winner of their series last year with the Blues was going to be the Cup Champ....so, good for them getting back to it.
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Even though I should hate this team because of Corey Perry, at least, they got an intense goal song that was created from Pantera. Most tilting goal song ever? The Blackhawks one. It's frustrating to hear it if they score on your team on their ice, but it's funny to hear it when the Blachhawks scores on a team you hate.
Ok...I have to flip you a finger for putting that fucking song in my head!!!!! :censored
Ok...I'm better now...maybe....
I was pulling for Dallas because the Stars are a less heinous option than the team whose existence killed the Frozen Fury.
The SCF will be even more anticlimactic for me because I neither like nor dislike either Dallas or Tampa Bay (it'll be a slightly different story if the Islanders pull off a miracle comeback).
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The Stars path to the Cup has been freaking nutso! They get rid of their head coach mid-season. They lose their starting goalie and then the covids hit and when they started back up in the bubble, they looked horrible. You can't script this pout any better and you could tell that Vegas was exasperated.
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Tampa vs Dallas is official.
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I changed the thread title as a quick little quip, but then immediately thought, when was the last time the Finals was fought by two teams even remotely this far South?
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I changed the thread title as a quick little quip, but then immediately thought, when was the last time the Finals was fought by two teams even remotely this far South?
Just looked, and the answer is never.
Every time the Bolts, Kings, Anaheim, etc have been in the finals it's always been against a much further north team.
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The two Dallas finals appearances prior to this was against Buffalo and New Jersey. Pretty far northeast.
Kings: Rangers and Devils
Ducks: Devils and Senators
Bolts: Flames and Blackhawks
Coyotes: Never
Yeah, I think the closest distance a southern team played in the finals prior to this year was in 2015. Bolts/Blackhawks.
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Florida /Colorado in '97 was a fairly Southern final
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^^ That is true. I just keep forgetting that the Panthers exist.
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Florida /Colorado in '97 was a fairly Southern final
That may be the next closest, but while Florida and Tampa Bay are about the same Denver is about 450 miles further north than Dallas.
It shouldn't be a big surprise as the traditional hockey markets are not in the South, but I think that makes this finals kind of special, even if they're playing in Edmonton. But yeah, you've never seen Phoenix and Tampa, Florida and Kings, Dallas and Thrashers, etc.
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Florida /Colorado in '96 was a fairly Southern final
ftfy
This is unquestionably the southernmost SCF. The only NHL team further south than Tampa Bay is Florida. The Panthers play in Sunrise, FL, which is at 29o9'26" north latitude, whereas Tampa is at 27o58'05" north latitude, so the Panthers are further south by about a degree and a half.
Denver, however, is almost seven degrees further north than Dallas (39o44'21" north, compared to 32o46'45" north), so 2020 is, in the aggregate, the southernmost SCF ever.
HOWEVER, since every game will be played in Edmonton, which is the northernmost NHL city, 2020 will be both the southernmost AND northernmost SCF.
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HOWEVER, since every game will be played in Edmonton, which is the northernmost NHL city, 2020 will be both the southernmost AND northernmost SCF.
That's some pretty awesome shit right there, couldn't have scripted that at the start of the year.
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Three games in, and Tampa looks like the better team. I've learned not to count Dallas out at this point (I predicted a first round exit for them and was dead wrong), but right now my money is on the Stanley Cup making it's return to the Gulf of Mexico.
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Agreed. Game 1, the Bolts were clearly bagged from only having had 1 night off after a gruelling serious against the Isles, while the Stars were rested for a few days. Now, it's seemingly clear who the better team is. And with a B2B tomorrow/Saturday, who knows how well the 34-year old Khudobin can muster thru that.
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Cheers to Joe Pavelski for becoming the highest scoring U.S. born player in NHL playoff history. What a massive goal to tie up game 5! Go Stars!
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Let's see if the refs give the Bolts another OT win..
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Also, Corey Perry is the only player in NHL history to score both a regular season goal and a playoff goal in September.
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Is Tyler Seguin even playing in this game?
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Dallas has been outmatched the entire series really. Rode a hot goalie for two rounds and got the W in game 1 cuz of a tired TB.
But, this is one of those games that one team is just controlling the play but one play and Dallas wins it. It’s crazy.
Edit:
Had a feeling that would happen.
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Cheers to Joe Pavelski for becoming the highest scoring U.S. born player in NHL playoff history. What a massive goal to tie up game 5! Go Stars!
His response to being asked the question the other night when he tied Mullen was exceptional.
"Keep it. Next question"
Like an individual stat of that nature means anything when you're down 3-1 in trying to capture your first cup.
@ Gary... yeah, I had the same gut feel as soon as they tied it. Man did they get outclassed in that 1st overtime period. Only good thing they did was block a lot of shots.
Overall, great game. I hope they have another rabbit in the hat, and can force a game 7.
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We'll take it!
Go Stars!!! Puck off!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKqwX_nTy5c
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Tampa was a fucking wagon. There was really no question who was winning the Cup.
They were easily the best team.
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Yay ;D
Playoff hockey is awesome.
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Tampa was a fucking wagon. There was really no question who was winning the Cup.
They were easily the best team.
True Dat
Maroon with back to back cups! StL boy! :metal
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Hurray, nicely done Bolts. This team has been consistently strong in the standings in the last how many so years. It's nice they finally make it to the end of the road to the cup. After getting swept by Columbus of all teams last year, this is a nice redemption story.
Anywho, onto the draft. The Kings got a tough decision to make with #2. I've been reading HF boards, lately, and once you filter out the low-content posts, the cases between the top two candidates in that slot are pretty compelling. I just hope whoever they pick don't turn out to be a bust for LA in 5 years. It's been 12 years since Drew Doughty got drafted. I think the time is now to find another solid franchise centerpiece. I know those are impossible and a huge crapshoot to find, but yeah.
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Outcome was as expected, but still a very entertaining game and finals. Frankly between Point, Kucherov, Hedman, and Vasilevsky I couldn't argue much with anyone winning the Conn Smythe.
Seeing Flyers throwaways like Luke Schenn and Brayden Coburn lift the cup was painful.
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Outcome was as expected, but still a very entertaining game and finals. Frankly between Point, Kucherov, Hedman, and Vasilevsky I couldn't argue much with anyone winning the Conn Smythe.
Seeing Flyers throwaways like Luke Schenn and Brayden Coburn lift the cup was painful.
I know how you feel. Seeing former Rangers captain Ryan McDonaugh hoist the Cup was brutal. With that said, congrats to Tampa Bay. They've had a chip on their shoulder since last year's first round embarrassment at the hands of Columbus. Once they got past the Blue Jackets this year and shook off the demons from last season, there was really no stopping them.
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Outcome was as expected, but still a very entertaining game and finals. Frankly between Point, Kucherov, Hedman, and Vasilevsky I couldn't argue much with anyone winning the Conn Smythe.
Seeing Flyers throwaways like Luke Schenn and Brayden Coburn lift the cup was painful.
I know how you feel. Seeing former Rangers captain Ryan McDonaugh hoist the Cup was brutal. With that said, congrats to Tampa Bay. They've had a chip on their shoulder since last year's first round embarrassment at the hands of Columbus. Once they got past the Blue Jackets this year and shook off the demons from last season, there was really no stopping them.
Seems there were more than a few 'throwaways' - Shattenkirk and Bagosian were both bought out weren't they... the latter by Buffalo... BUFFALO. Not good enough for the Sabres, but a key defensive shutdown player for the Cup winners.
Anyway, Dallas had nothing left in the tank. Hard fought playoffs for them. Other than Calgary (where they were probably a push), they were not expected to win their series'. They over-achieved, but a few key defensive injuries (D and Forwards) finally caught up with them, along with a #2, 34-year old goalie that played more hockey than he'd ever played in his life over this 2 month stretch.
I'm sure the US broadcasts have said it over and over and over, but this will most definitely go down as the hardest Cup to win - but an even harder Cup to lose. All that effort and isolation ... only to start October with the same thing that Detroit, Toronto, Calgary, Vancouver, and the Isles do. Nothing. Nada. Bubkiss. Jack Squat. Actually that's not true, they all have the opportunity to try again next "season".
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Didn't catch any of the finals, but glad to see Blake Coleman win a Cup. One of the easiest guys to root for when he was on the Devils (and netted us a pretty good haul when we sent him to Tampa as well).
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Didn't catch any of the finals, but glad to see Blake Coleman win a Cup. One of the easiest guys to root for when he was on the Devils (and netted us a pretty good haul when we sent him to Tampa as well).
Netted the Bolts a pretty good haul too!
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Today, Hunnus is sad. :(
No more Go Stars.......
Hunnus is going to go back to bed curl up in the fetal position and cry like a baby...... :(
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Today, Hunnus is sad. :(
No more Go Stars.......
Hunnus is going to go back to bed curl up in the fetal position and cry like a baby...... :(
There's always the Cowboys!
:lmao:
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Today, Hunnus is sad. :(
No more Go Stars.......
Hunnus is going to go back to bed curl up in the fetal position and cry like a baby...... :(
There's always the Cowboys!
:lmao:
Dammit! Going back to bed again! :(
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Didn't catch any of the finals, but glad to see Blake Coleman win a Cup. One of the easiest guys to root for when he was on the Devils (and netted us a pretty good haul when we sent him to Tampa as well).
Netted the Bolts a pretty good haul too!
Yup, I'd say that one worked out for both sides. Given the way this season went, we're probably a couple years away anyway, so happy to get a great prospect (Foote) and a first round pick. Tampa finally gets their Cup and they have Coleman for another year at a very reasonable rate.
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Anywho, onto the draft. The Kings got a tough decision to make with #2. I've been reading HF boards, lately, and once you filter out the low-content posts, the cases between the top two candidates in that slot are pretty compelling. I just hope whoever they pick don't turn out to be a bust for LA in 5 years. It's been 12 years since Drew Doughty got drafted. I think the time is now to find another solid franchise centerpiece. I know those are impossible and a huge crapshoot to find, but yeah.
I'm not sure what your point is with harkening back to the Doughty pick, but the overwhelming majority of the Kings' #1 picks since then have been excellent or used to bring key players to the team:
2009 -- Brayden Schenn (5th overall) -- packaged with Wayne Simmonds in the trade that brought Mike Richards, a key piece to the 2012 and 2014 Cup runs.
2011 -- the pick was traded for Dustin Penner, another key piece in the 2012 Cup run.
2012 -- Tanner Pearson (#30 overall because the Kings had just won the Cup), a key player in the 2014 Cup run.
2013 -- the pick was part of the trade that brought Jeff Carter to the Kings.
2014 -- Adrian Kempe (#29 overall).
It's still too early to judge 2017-19, but at least Vilardi and Turcotte are looking good.
Only 2010 (Derek Forbort) and 2015 and 2016 (traded for Milan Lucic and Andrej Sekera, respectively) didn't really pan out.
I agree that having the #2 pick is a critical opportunity given where the Kings are right now. Although I don't trust Blake as much as I did Lombardi, I'm also not as down on him as a lot of folks are. However, since I know nothing at all about hockey prospects, I'll just wait and see.
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I agree that the way Kings drafted since then, for the most part, turned to be great pieces or was converted to great pieces, but I'm thinking more of the lines like a #1 Franchise player along the veins of Doughty or Kopitar. Again, that part is impossible to predict and draft and it's never a sure thing, but I just want to be hopeful that this year's draft we get someone like that growing in 5 years.
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Lundqvist bought out.
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Lundqvist bought out.
This is my shocked face.
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Yep. Rangers now have to eat $13 million of dead cap space for this next season. Kings aren't that far behind. $11 million in dead space for them.... Thank goodness luck is on their side and high draft picks is coming for both teams to cure part of that pain of dead cap space.
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I knew it was going to happen. I understand that it had to happen. And honestly, deep down, I probably wanted it to happen. But at the end of the day, I'm still absolutely heartbroken. Henrik Lundqvist has been the heart and soul of the Rangers for the past two decades. Even though he never wore the C as is the case with most goalies, everybody knew who the leader in the MSG locker room was. He has been the pride of New York hockey ever since he took the starting job, and he is a sports legend in the greatest city in the world. I was an infant in '94, so all of my best hockey memories have been more recent, and Hank was front and center for all of them, the face of the Rangers post-lockout success. Through all of that success, and of course through all of the failures, the defeats, the letdowns, and the goodbyes that had to be said to some great players like Ryan Callahan, Rick Nash, JT Miller, Ryan McDonagh, and Mats Zuccarello especially, there was always a sense of comfort, a feeling that things would be ok. That came from knowing that we had a once in a generation talent in net, one of the greatest goalies in NHL history. Then things started to change. Hank got older. He couldn't bail his team out, steal games like he used to. He started to become a liability. Father time catches every great player, but to watch it happen to your hero is always painful. With his diminishing skills and the stellar play of Igor Shesterkin, the time had come, like so many great players before him, for our king's reign to come to an end.
Lundqvist, I will always remember the victories you stole, the saves that shouldn't have been possible, the countless winning seasons, and will always regret that this team the team I root for and the team you carried for so many years, couldn't bring you a Stanley Cup. I hope you earn your title in your next landing point, but no matter what success you may find in your eventual landing spot, your crown and throne will remain here in New York. You were, are, and always will be, our King Henrik.
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That was a very touching post, Count. Well said.
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That was a very touching post, Count. Well said.
Thank you. The Rangers have a bright future ahead of them, but this is gonna take some time to get over. Lundqvist is an absolute legend in this city, up there with guys Jeter, Namath, and Messier. His legacy is secured here.
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My favorite Henrik Lundqvist memory. :biggrin:
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I think at the time this picture was snapped, I was already elevating about six feet into the air from my chair in the restaurant/bar where I watched this game with my then 12yo son.
Seriously, though, Lundqvist has been a really good player and, AFAIK, a good guy for a long time.
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My favorite Henrik Lundqvist memory. :biggrin:
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I think at the time this picture was snapped, I was already elevating about six feet into the air from my chair in the restaurant/bar where I watched this game with my then 12yo son.
Seriously, though, Lundqvist has been a really good player and, AFAIK, a good guy for a long time.
I remember that like it was yesterday. I shut off the television, got up quietly, and said "I'm going to bed". It was devastating, as this is the closest that either of my favorite teams (the other team being the New York Jets) have been to championship glory in my lifetime (I was an infant in 94 so that doesn't really count). It's taken until this year for me to stop hating the Kings, and tbh I don't think I'll ever like them. The refs played a role in that Finals, but honestly as soon as LA got past Chicago in the WCF I knew what would happen. The Rangers matched up better with the Blackhawks than the Kings. Just like the next season when Tampa, the one team the Rangers couldn't beat during their President's Trophy run, advanced to the ECF. The Rangers have a bright future ahead of them, but knowing that Lundqvist carried this team on his back and they couldn't return the favor by getting him that Stanley Cup victory breaks my heart. Hopefully his next team can do it for him (unless he ends up in Montreal, Boston, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Newark, or Long Island).
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^^ Oh, so you're fine with him if he ends up in DC?
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^^ Oh, so you're fine with him if he ends up in DC?
I actually like Washington. Ovi is one of my favorite players.
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^^ Oh, so you're fine with him if he ends up in DC?
I actually like Washington. Ovi is one of my favorite players.
Wow. It is actually true, he's going to the Capitals.
done now: one year, $1.5 M for Henrik Lundqvist with the Capitals, as
@TSNBobMcKenzie predicted earlier today
https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1314609779655008262
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^^ Oh, so you're fine with him if he ends up in DC?
I actually like Washington. Ovi is one of my favorite players.
Wow. It is actually true, he's going to the Capitals.
done now: one year, $1.5 M for Henrik Lundqvist with the Capitals, as
@TSNBobMcKenzie predicted earlier today
https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1314609779655008262
I wonder where Holtby is gonna end up.
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He's heading to the Canucks. Lots of goalies out there in free agency for today.
https://twitter.com/Canucks/status/1314621893337518081
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Maroon re-ups with the Lightning for two years.......Shattenkirk to Anaheim for three years.
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Markstrom to the Flames... that ought to shore up their goaltending problem.
TJ Brodie to the Leafs. Now *this* is a move I can get behind. 4x$5M. Simmonds for $1.5M 1-year deal is pretty sweet too.
jingle.kids have been texting me all the moves all day long.
Ottawa is looking like they'll be a contender in the next year or two.
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Krug to StL.
Looks like Petro will be a Knight before EOD tomorrow.
I like the signing. He’s two years younger than Petro, consistent, plays hard....gonna be a good player to add to the mix.
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I wonder what moves will the Golden Knights make to get Petro. They need to free up roughly around 6-7M or so and sadly for them, no one wants Fleury without Knights retaining and then more.
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I like the Krug to St.L move. First, Boston loses arguably their #2 d-man. This pleases me. Secondly, he was one a handful Boston players that I like, despite the jersey he wore.
Had no idea LVK was the destination for Pietrangelo. I haven't been following the rumours very closely.
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Krug to StL.
I like the signing.
So, you've forgiven him for that run on Robert Thomas in last year's finals? :biggrin:
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Beautiful!!!
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Krug's response was a gif. Pretty funny.
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:lol :lol
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Well, it's official. Golden Knights signed Pietrangelo. $8.8M for 7 years. Whistles...... You supposed he could have gotten more (either with the Blues or any other team) if the cap was not flat this season?
In any case, the Golden Knights has still not yet made any moves to free up space to get under cap. They will have to soon. Enjoy Cap Hell, Golden Knights. Us in LA, we are going to get out of it in the next offseason.
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I give it four years until the deal is really shit. I really don’t know how he is worth that much for 1 year, let alone 7!!
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I give it four years until the deal is really shit. I really don’t know how he is worth that much for 1 year, let alone 7!!
It’s not even the money. It’s the non movement clause. That’s why he didn’t sign with the Blues.....they wouldn’t give him one. They offered a limited NMC for the middle years but wanted protection in the last 4 years.
I love Petro and all but he’s always been on the outside looking in as far as being ‘elite’. He threw a great Cup run together where he played like a man on a mission but for most of his career he’s just been really good......not next tier.
His best days are behind him. He turns 31 in January.....his first three, maybe four years he will be ‘worth it’ (I guess) but after that this contract is a big turd for Vegas. Lots of miles on that horse.
I’m fine with turning the page on Petro. Frees up Faulk to play his natural right side again and he and Krug were team mates for the USA back in the day. It also will allow space for a younger D man to step in....we have a couple great young talented guys.
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I love Petro and all but he’s always been on the outside looking in as far as being ‘elite’. He threw a great Cup run together where he played like a man on a mission but for most of his career he’s just been really good......not next tier.
I agree with this. I never really thought all that much of him, but he was a beast for that Cup run.
I think you're gonna like Torey Krug. He's great on the powerplay and has a wicked shot for a little guy.
I generally don't get on teams if they decide not to pay a guy, but I'm actually gonna miss him. But he's in that middle ground between a Bruins team basically made up of two generations of players.
I will never forget him getting the call during the 2013 playoff run to the finals when he scored a goal in like his first 4 games. Ridiculous.
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Vegas has started the sell off to fit Petro in. Nate Schmidt sent to Vancouver. That guy is solid AF.
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I love Petro and all but he’s always been on the outside looking in as far as being ‘elite’. He threw a great Cup run together where he played like a man on a mission but for most of his career he’s just been really good......not next tier.
That's kinda how I've always seen him as well. He's not in the same league as Josi, Hedman, Burns, Giordano, Webber, Carlson etc... I'd be hard pressed to think of him as a top 10 or 12 d-man in the league. It's hard to think he'll continue to improve into his 30s. The number of D that do (like Lidstrom) is far less than the number that fade off. This definitely has all the makings of a the first 'bad' move by McPhee.