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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: MirrorMask on July 29, 2019, 06:08:22 AM
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Well, there wasn't really one, but the topic about Misunderstood made me think back to this, taken from Mike Portnoy's FAQ:
What would the track listing have been if Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence would have had to have been a single disk release?
MP: That's a question I didn't want to have to come up with an answer for when we finished the record, and luckily we were able to sidestep having to come up with a solution. I did lay awake a few nights pondering that thought, and the problem was that we had 95 minutes of music. I think off the top of my head that Blind Faith or Disappear would have been the first to go. But either of them by themselves would still not be enough to bring the album down to 80 minutes, so we would have been stuck in the position of having to cut *two* songs if Six Degrees wasn't one of them. It would have been a horrible puzzle to try to figure out, and I'm glad that I didn't have to come up with a solution to that one.
So, just for fun, imagine that you're in charge back in 2002 and you have to deliver a single disc for the album Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. So that means no more than 79 minutes of music (and 49 seconds which is the length of disc 1 of The Astonishing). How would you solve the issue? anything goes - removing songs, editing them, as long as you present, from what is the actual tracklist and actual music that makes up the Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence album, a "cut" that does not go further than 79'49''.
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First of all, you can cut at least 1:30 off the end of Six Degrees by removing that pointlessly long ending note. So 6DOIT would be somewhere around 40:30.
Then I'd certainly take out Blind Faith. And I have to remove one of the other songs to bring it under 80 minutes, so that'll have to be Disappear for me, as much as I enjoy it.
1. The Glass Prison - 13:52
2. Misunderstood - 9:32
3. The Great Debate - 13:46
4. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - 40:30
TOTAL: 77:40
And yes, I'd make Six Degrees one track.
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Of course the only two songs JLB wrote the lyrics for would have been the first ones Portnoy would have chucked. :lol :lol
I think I'd eliminate The Great Debate and find a way to dwindle down the titular suite into the individual tracks they really are.
1. The Glass Prison
2. Blind Faith
3. Misunderstood
4. Goodnight Kiss
5. Solitary Shell
6. War Inside My Head
7. The Test That Stumped Them All
8. Disappear
9. About to Crash (reprise) - renamed just About to Crash, since the original About to Crash is now gone
10. Losing Time (while eliminating Grand Finale from the title)
I like reversing the order of the War/Test and Goodnight/Solitary duos in the running order.
The way Misunderstood ends could easily be tweaked slightly now that it would cross fade into Goodnight Kiss instead of The Great Debate.
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I'm more or less with you Kev. As much as it's disruptive for the balance of the first disc since it's a heavy song and there are already two mellow ones, I'd cut The Great Debate and save it for Train of Thought, it would fit anyway.
That alone brings down the counting to 82 minutes and some more. The following necessary seconds I'd go chopping them from:
- Outro of Grand Finale
- Outro of Misunderstood
- Spacey intro of Blind Faith
And, for a better balance, put Misunderstood as track #2 and Blind Faith as track #3.
I should check the actual seconds but I believe that these three cuts, or maybe two, would be already enough to go down the 80 minutes mark (aside from sacking TGD of course).
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I should have also mentioned that I too would have shortened that unnecessarily long note at the end of Losing Time (Grand Finale), which I actually have done already for my listening purposes. I would leave both Blind Faith and Misunderstood as is, aside from the slight tweaking of the last few seconds of Misunderstood to make it cross fade more smoothly with the beginning of Goodnight Kiss. I love the spacey intro of Blind Faith, so I wouldn't mess with that. Losing The Great Debate would be a bummer, especially since I do think the first 3 minutes is one of the highlights of the record, but the rest of this song is merely good, and I couldn't have it taking up nearly 14 minutes of what would now be a single disc, considering how strong overall everything I kept is.
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I'd just stick with disc 1 and leave the title track off (which is probably my favorite of all of DT's catalog). Then the title track could've been released later.
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I just spent 1 hours trying to figure out how to cut it down to 80 minutes without changing the structure or taking out a song and the best i could do was reduce it by 11 minutes and 38 second. Some of the things I would do is:
1) Reduce SDOIT overture to 3:30, cut the long ending note by 1:20.
2) Reduce the intro to TGP
3) Cut the ending of misunderstood.
4) Reduce the intro and outro of TGD.
5) Cut the ending Disappear.
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I'd just stick with disc 1 and leave the title track off (which is probably my favorite of all of DT's catalog). Then the title track could've been released later.
That begs the question: What would you title the album if it was just Disc 1?
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I invent better CDs that can fit 2 discs into one. :hat
I'd just stick with disc 1 and leave the title track off (which is probably my favorite of all of DT's catalog). Then the title track could've been released later.
That begs the question: What would you title the album if it was just Disc 1?
Five Degrees of Inner Turbulence. :lol
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I'd just stick with disc 1 and leave the title track off (which is probably my favorite of all of DT's catalog). Then the title track could've been released later.
That begs the question: What would you title the album if it was just Disc 1?
Five Degrees of Inner Turbulence. :lol
And the title track would be The Sixth Degree.
Almost sounds like video game DLC. :lol
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Considering I don't like much of the second disc all that much...
1: The Glass Prison
2: Blind Faith
3: Misunderstood
4: The Great Debate
5: War Inside My Head (intro would have to be modified a bit)
6: The Test That Stumped Them All (crossfades into Disappear)
7: Disappear
About To Crash could maybe be thrown in there somewhere as well, but eh. Like I said, not really a fan of the second disc.
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I know I'm somewhat killing the game, but my honest answer is that I wouldn't change a thing.
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I'd just stick with disc 1 and leave the title track off (which is probably my favorite of all of DT's catalog). Then the title track could've been released later.
...but make it like King Crimson's Starless (and Bible Black) wherein the title track is cut from the album but the album title stays the same, a new, entirely different title track is put onto the album, then the original title track comes out on a later album with a slightly different title
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I know I'm somewhat killing the game, but my honest answer is that I wouldn't change a thing.
Yeah I'm right here, too. Changing anything would kill the record for me. First disc has 5 songs that all hit on distinct themes and vibes and styles. Second disc is a conceptual epic that would suffer from removing any of the 8 parts. I've thought about this question before, and I simply cannot do it. 2 discs or no discs at all.
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Considering I don't like much of the second disc all that much...
1: The Glass Prison
2: Blind Faith
3: Misunderstood
4: The Great Debate
5: War Inside My Head (intro would have to be modified a bit)
6: The Test That Stumped Them All (crossfades into Disappear)
7: Disappear
About To Crash could maybe be thrown in there somewhere as well, but eh. Like I said, not really a fan of the second disc.
Dang that almost suits me to a T. Though I could in all honesty drop TGD. Never liked that song much. I might try and slip in Solitary Shell somewhere too.
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So, just for fun, imagine that you're in charge back in 2002 and you have to deliver a single disc for the album Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. So that means no more than 79 minutes of music (and 49 seconds which is the length of disc 1 of The Astonishing). How would you solve the issue? anything goes - removing songs, editing them, as long as you present, from what is the actual tracklist and actual music that makes up the Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence album, a "cut" that does not go further than 79'49''.
This is the easiest thing ever.
Ditch TGD and Disappear, and you're left with the perfect album. Based on the times listed on Wikipedia, the result would be 54:18 + 42:02 - 13:46 - 6:46 = 75:48. I'd also significantly shorten the end of Misunderstood even though I wouldn't need to for time reasons.
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Here's my tracklist:
1. The Glass prison
2. Six degrees of inner turbulence (as one song)
3. The Great debate
4. Disappear
Take THAT. ;)
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I can do one better:
1. The Glass Prison
Or maybe:
1. The Glass Prison
2. Blind Faith
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I know I'm somewhat killing the game, but my honest answer is that I wouldn't change a thing.
Get Out
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Disappear goes out without even thinking of it. If I cut Misunderstood, does that do the trick? I don't want to meddle with the title song since it would ruin that beautiful flow.
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Disappear goes out without even thinking of it. If I cut Misunderstood, does that do the trick? I don't want to meddle with the title song since it would ruin that beautiful flow.
Barely, it's a matter of seconds here and there. Just shorten the outro to Grand Finale and you're in.
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Of course the only two songs JLB wrote the lyrics for would have been the first ones Portnoy would have chucked. :lol :lol
That's no coincidence. IMO.
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I know I'm somewhat killing the game, but my honest answer is that I wouldn't change a thing.
I'm with you (for the most part) on this one Bosk. However, there are a couple minor things I would change. Take out the finger nails on the chalkboard at the end of Misunderstood and shorten the super long fade out at the end of disc 2. That's it. Wouldn't change anything else.
So glad they didn't reduce the album to 1 disc. :tup
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I would just delete The Great Debate and Misunderstood.
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I'd chop Disc 2.
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I genuinely do not understand how some people don't like the title track. Absolute madness. It's the perfect prog rock-metal blend. TAC, you're on notice. :lol
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I genuinely do not understand why people would axe Blind Faith before literally anything on the album besides The Glass Prison
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I genuinely do not understand why people would axe Blind Faith before literally anything on the album besides The Glass Prison
Ask Portnoy, I guess :lol
Disappear is the most experimental one so obviously it's the first to go if needed.
Title track and Glass Prison were obviously a lock.
So if needed it had to come down between Blind Faith, Misunderstood and The Great Debate... don't know really why he / they didn't feel so strong about Blind Faith, maybe Disappear being let go would have made Misunderstood "needed" to have at least one slower piece, and so it was either one between TGD and BF.
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I'd probably use some tracks from the 4 Degrees of Radio Edits disc.
One thing's for sure - I would never have a version of 6 Degrees that didn't include Disappear. One of the most hauntingly beautiful songs ever - for me at least.
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1. The Glass Prison
2. Blind Faith
3. Misunderstood
4. Solitary Shell
5. The Great Debate
6. Disappear
7. About To Crash Reprise
8. Losing Time/Grand Finale
70 Minutes
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I genuinely do not understand how some people don't like the title track. Absolute madness. It's the perfect prog rock-metal blend. TAC, you're on notice. :lol
That makes two of us. ???
1. The Glass Prison
2. Blind Faith
3. Misunderstood
4. Solitary Shell
5. The Great Debate
6. Disappear
7. About To Crash Reprise
8. Losing Time/Grand Finale
70 Minutes
Tim!!! You have a reprise of a track that never existed? :lol :rollin :lol
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I figured we could have a treasure hunt to find the original. ;D
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I knew someone would be a wiseacre about that, which is why I worded it this way in my earliest post.
9. About to Crash (reprise) - renamed just About to Crash, since the original About to Crash is now gone
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I think just calling it Losing Time would be cool too.
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Ya don't say...
10. Losing Time (while eliminating Grand Finale from the title)
:P :P
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My title doesn't have parenthesis. ;D
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I'd just stick with disc 1 and leave the title track off (which is probably my favorite of all of DT's catalog). Then the title track could've been released later.
That begs the question: What would you title the album if it was just Disc 1?
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. Duh! :biggrin:
Just like Grizz said with that KC song and album, as well as Led Zeppelin releasing "Houses of the Holy" the album, with the song "Houses of the Holy" appearing on the following album (Physical Graffiti).
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The thought that anyone would remove Disappear saddens me.
I remember the first time I heard the first disc I was blown away as I rarely am listening to music. Then I popped the second disc in and was massively underwhelmed.
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Get rid of The Glass Prison and Overture and dismantle the title track into a bunch of separate songs since it never really worked as a complete epic for me. They'd need to be reimagined in order to make sense as standalone songs
1. About To Crash/About To Crash (Reprise)/Losing Time (edit and combine these into one badass 10+ minute opening track)
2. Blind Faith
3. War Inside My Head
4. Misunderstood
5. The Test That Stumped Them All
6. Goodnight Kiss
7. Solitary Shell
8. The Great Debate
9. Disappear
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Release Disc 1 as a stand alone album (Maybe write one more song to go with it), and then later that year release Disc 2 as an EP (Or vice versa... release the EP first then the "album".
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I'd cut the Overture down to 2 main repeats of the main theme, get it done in about a minute and a half, then I'd stick the ending straight after About to Crash (Reprise), as that's the point the whole thing starts to drag. As a rough calculation, I think I could get it down to about 32 minutes. Lose Disappear and about 2 minutes off the end of Misunderstood and you're there.
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Count me into the crew who wouldn't change a thing about this record. Most days, it's my favorite DT record and I wouldn't remove a single song from it.
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Count me into the crew who wouldn't change a thing about this record. Most days, it's my favorite DT record and I wouldn't remove a single song from it.
I agree. It's not my favourite DT album (even if I were to enjoy the MP era), but I wouldn't want to change it, because it represents what they were at the time (as all their albums are IMHO, D/T is too)
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Count me into the crew who wouldn't change a thing about this record. Most days, it's my favorite DT record and I wouldn't remove a single song from it.
Yeah, removing any of the tracks would just take away from the masterpiece it already is. A dilemma doesn't exist as the thread title suggests.
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As it's in the top spot of my favorite DT albums, I wouldn't change a thing. I've been trying to think of something but just can't.
Edit: Ok, I lied. I thought harder and this is what I came up with.
1. Overture (cut out about 2 min.)
2. About to Crash
3. War Inside My Head/The Test That Stumped Them All (combined into one track called War Inside That Stumped Them All)
4. Blind Faith
5. Misunderstood
6. The Great Debate (Shorten Intro and Outro to make the song less than 13 min)
7. Disappear
8. Goodnight Kiss
9. About To Crash (Reprise)
10. Losing Time (without 1:48 Grand Finale, song ends with the Gong)
Without the cuts it totals 83 min (1:22:21 to be exact). With cuts should total around 75-80.
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Since they're recorded as individual tracks . . .
Blind Faith
Misunderstood
The Great Debate
Disappear
Overture
About to Crash
Goodnight Kiss
Solitary Shell
ATC (R)
Losing Time
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I modified my post with my Single Disc 6DOIT.
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I'd just stick with disc 1 and leave the title track off (which is probably my favorite of all of DT's catalog). Then the title track could've been released later.
That begs the question: What would you title the album if it was just Disc 1?
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. Duh! :biggrin:
Just like Grizz said with that KC song and album, as well as Led Zeppelin releasing "Houses of the Holy" the album, with the song "Houses of the Holy" appearing on the following album (Physical Graffiti).
probably because LZ wanted to release Physical Graffiti and HOTH as a (vinyl) triple album and the record company didn't allow that and so the songs were released the way we know now. (I may be wrong about that though, never was a LZ fan and never will be. They were and are as overrated as can be IMHO)
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probably because LZ wanted to release Physical Graffiti and HOTH as a (vinyl) triple album and the record company didn't allow that and so the songs were released the way we know now. (I may be wrong about that
Yeah...that's not at all accurate.
There was never any intent for HOTH to be anything other than a single album. As had been the case with the two prior album, LZ recorded more material for HOTH than the songs that made it onto the album (including the "title track"), but there was never any interest or desire for HOTH to be a multi-LP album. When LZ started recording for PG in early 1974, they found themselves again with more material than could fit on two album sides, so they decided to use outtakes from the three prior albums and make PG a double album. Eight of the fifteen songs on PG were recorded during the early 1974 sessions for PG, and they added Bron-Yr-Aur (outtake from III), Down by the Seaside, Night Flight and Boogie with Stu (outtakes from IV), and The Rover, HOTH and Black Country Woman (outtakes from HOTH).
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probably because LZ wanted to release Physical Graffiti and HOTH as a (vinyl) triple album and the record company didn't allow that and so the songs were released the way we know now. (I may be wrong about that
Yeah...that's not at all accurate.
There was never any intent for HOTH to be anything other than a single album. As had been the case with the two prior album, LZ recorded more material for HOTH than the songs that made it onto the album (including the "title track"), but there was never any interest or desire for HOTH to be a multi-LP album. When LZ started recording for PG in early 1974, they found themselves again with more material than could fit on two album sides, so they decided to use outtakes from the three prior albums and make PG a double album. Eight of the fifteen songs on PG were recorded during the early 1974 sessions for PG, and they added Bron-Yr-Aur (outtake from III), Down by the Seaside, Night Flight and Boogie with Stu (outtakes from IV), and The Rover, HOTH and Black Country Woman (outtakes from HOTH).
ok, makes sense
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Oh, I did not know all of that. Thank you. Led Zep’s best two album run in my book.
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I would have increased the album's
distance over time speed by 20%.
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I would have increased the album's distance over time speed by 20%.
:D perfect
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:D perfect
Thanks! Although, I just realised it's actually 21%.
Or more! The tempo of "The Glass Prison" is never enough.
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:D perfect
Thanks! Although, I just realised it's actually 21%.
Or more! The tempo of "The Glass Prison" is never enough.
here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB5fDpirjAc
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here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB5fDpirjAc
Oh my John Petrucci! :metal
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I've done this. It was pretty easy.
The Glass Prison 13:52
Blind Faith 10:21
Misunderstood (Single Edit from the "Four Degrees of Radio Edits" promo) 5:13
Disappear 6:46
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 42:02
Total 78:14
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Count me into the crew who wouldn't change a thing about this record. Most days, it's my favorite DT record and I wouldn't remove a single song from it.
Yeah, removing any of the tracks would just take away from the masterpiece it already is. A dilemma doesn't exist as the thread title suggests.
I totally agree. This is a top three Dream Theater album for me and I'm not sure they have ever pushed the envelope as far as they have with this album.
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The thought that anyone would remove Disappear saddens me.
I had to sit and wait while picking up my kid from marching band camp yesterday, so I gave Disappear another listen. I really tried to find something to like but couldn't. It's just bland and boring. Sorry.
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The thought that anyone would remove Disappear saddens me.
I had to sit and wait while picking up my kid from marching band camp yesterday, so I gave Disappear another listen. I really tried to find something to like but couldn't. It's just bland and boring. Sorry.
No apologies. Everyone has a right to be wrong. :p :lol
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Absolutely gut-wrenching lyrics and delivery.
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Absolutely gut-wrenching lyrics and delivery.
And it's "just" a story James came up with, pure fiction. For quite some years I was so sure he must have referred to his mother because what else such a hauntingly sad song could be about if not something so personal? but it was a fictional story about a sudden tragedy coming into the life of a happy couple. Unreal performance from James.
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Absolutely gut-wrenching lyrics and delivery.
And it's "just" a story James came up with, pure fiction. For quite some years I was so sure he must have referred to his mother because what else such a hauntingly sad song could be about if not something so personal? but it was a fictional story about a sudden tragedy coming into the life of a happy couple. Unreal performance from James.
Especially this bit here:
So I'm moving on
I'll never forget
As you lay there and watched me
Accepting the end
I knew you were scared
You were strong I was trying
I gave you my hand
I said it's okay letting go time to leave here
And I'll carry on
The best that I can without you here beside me
Let him come and take you home
Chills every time!
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On songmeanings.net there's a bit of trivia I was previously unaware of: apparently Disappear's working title was "Move On." Fitting. There's also a bunch of love for the song in the comments for it, so I'm glad to see it getting the respect it deserves.
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Absolutely gut-wrenching lyrics and delivery.
And it's "just" a story James came up with, pure fiction. For quite some years I was so sure he must have referred to his mother because what else such a hauntingly sad song could be about if not something so personal? but it was a fictional story about a sudden tragedy coming into the life of a happy couple. Unreal performance from James.
Especially this bit here:
So I'm moving on
I'll never forget
As you lay there and watched me
Accepting the end
I knew you were scared
You were strong I was trying
I gave you my hand
I said it's okay letting go time to leave here
And I'll carry on
The best that I can without you here beside me
Let him come and take you home
Chills every time!
I prefer the somber backing vocals over the lead vocals. They fit way better and have that emotion.
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Absolutely gut-wrenching lyrics and delivery.
For me, while a bad vocal performance can ruin an otherwise good song (e.g., lots of songs I've heard with cookie monster vocals), it is virtually impossible for a great vocal performance to elevate a musically uninteresting song into something worth listening to.
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I'd just stick with disc 1 and leave the title track off (which is probably my favorite of all of DT's catalog). Then the title track could've been released later.
Here we go. Perfect.
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1. The Glass Prison
2. Blind Faith
3. The Great Debate
4. Overture
5. About to Crash
6. War Inside My Head
7. The Test That Stumped Them All
8. Goodnight Kiss
9. Solitary Shell
10. About to Crash (Reprise)
11. Losing Time (fades by 4:20)
(78:21)
Misunderstood is my least favourite song on the album, & I may just be a heartless asshole but Disappear does absolutely nothing for me emotionally. :|
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11. Losing Time (minus Grand Finale)
So the album ends with an abrupt cut after "She learned to detach from herself, a behavior that kept her alive"?
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11. Losing Time (minus Grand Finale)
So the album ends with an abrupt cut after "She learned to detach from herself, a behavior that kept her alive"?
Oh, I thought "Grand Finale" was the extended 100-second note at the end :facepalm:
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SDoIT is in my top 3 albums so I just don't think I could arange it in such a way that it would fit on one disc. There is not a single song or any part of any song on this album that I don't like. :metal
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I may just be a heartless asshole but Disappear does absolutely nothing for me emotionally. :|
Word. For me, it's musically uninteresting/sleep-inducing, so I don't really care about the lyrics.
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Not a fan of the title track whereas for me the first disc is flawless so I'd just go with:
The Glass Prison
Blind Faith
Misunderstood
The Great Debate
Disappear
(Stick Eve and Speak To Me on there in lieu of Six Degrees and it'd be my favourite DT album).
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On songmeanings.net there's a bit of trivia I was previously unaware of: apparently Disappear's working title was "Move On." Fitting. There's also a bunch of love for the song in the comments for it, so I'm glad to see it getting the respect it deserves.
It's not my favourite DT song (easily top 10 though) but I do think it's their most beautiful. It has an unsettling, eerie quality which I think no other song of theirs has.
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1. Glass Prison could be shortened by about 2 minutes and it would be a significant improvement. I love the song but it goes on and on...and on...towards the end.
2. Misunderstood could be trimmed down in half and would also be greatly improved.
3. Disappear could be dropped entirely.
4. I love the Six Degrees suite but it does NOT need a 7 minute “Overture”.
5. The fade out of the finale could be trimmed down by 1-2 minutes.
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By the way, is there a 'top ten DT songs' thread on here? My search hasn't produced anything (and I don't want to start one if one already exists) but this thread got me thinking about my own top ten. Post a link please if there is one.
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By the way, is there a 'top ten DT songs' thread on here? My search hasn't produced anything (and I don't want to start one if one already exists) but this thread got me thinking about my own top ten. Post a link please if there is one.
There used to be a top 50 thread at least. Not sure about top 10 though.
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Drop The Great Debate and Disappear, put the second disk after Blind Faith, end with an edited version of Misunderstood with all traces of the chinese water torture "sheeump" noise removed and most of the last 2 minutes removed.
Lyrically The Great Debate was a mistake.
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Lyrically The Great Debate was a mistake.
If by "mistake," you mean "some of the best lyrics ever written by anyone," I could not agree more wholeheartedly. Solid take. :tup
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Drop The Great Debate and Disappear, put the second disk after Blind Faith, end with an edited version of Misunderstood with all traces of the chinese water torture "sheeump" noise removed and most of the last 2 minutes removed.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
And no, this is not me posting under a different screen name!
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01. The Glass Prison 13:52
02. Misunderstood (Single Edit, without the arpeggio transition at the end) 5:14
03. Blind Faith 10:21
04. Disappear 6:46
05. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence I - Overture 6:50
06. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence II - About to Crash 5:50
07. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence III - War Inside My Head 2:22 (+ the Budokan build up intro)
08. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence IV - Test That Stumped Them All 5:03
09. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence V - Goodnight Kiss 6:17
10. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence VI - Solitary Shell 5:47
11. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence VII - About to Crash (Reprise) 4:04
12. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence VIII - Losing Time/Grand Finale 4:27 (minus most of the fade out)
Total: 76:19
Honestly I feel like it's a fairly balanced listening experience. Including The Great Debate imo would have it lean too much in the proggy direction on top of SDoIT and TGP, similar to how BC&SL is a little unbalanced with half the album being songs over 10min long. This version would have a potential single (Misunderstood), and strikes a balance between the 5 different sides of Dream Theater (metal, prog, melodic rock, symphonic, and pop). An "extended" version of Misunderstood (the version we currently have) could even be whipped out live, like the Budokan versions of certain songs.
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Interesting. That's identical to mine except you've flipped Misunderstood and Blind Faith and I think I like your idea better. It puts what would be the "single" of the album in the 2nd slot instead of the 3rd, and really improves the flow.
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Trivia: until later in the recording process, Blind Faith was originally planned to be the final track of disc 1 (with the other tracks moved back one), meaning that for a while, Misunderstood actually was the second track on the album.
(source) (https://youtu.be/-vENC0wV-CM?t=199)
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Interesting. That's identical to mine except you've flipped Misunderstood and Blind Faith and I think I like your idea better. It puts what would be the "single" of the album in the 2nd slot instead of the 3rd, and really improves the flow.
Indeed, just as I suggested; if you remove a heavy song, The Great Debate, you have to space out the mellow ones, so putting Misunderstood second and having Blind Faith before Disappear helps the flow.
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Trivia: until later in the recording process, Blind Faith was originally planned to be the final track of disc 1 (with the other tracks moved back one), meaning that for a while, Misunderstood actually was the second track on the album.
(source) (https://youtu.be/-vENC0wV-CM?t=199)
I think you misinterpreted the chart. BF was written after the other 4 songs, which is why it appears where it does on the chart. At that point, they had not figured out the exact order of the tracks.
http://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/13.aspx#317
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Trivia: until later in the recording process, Blind Faith was originally planned to be the final track of disc 1 (with the other tracks moved back one), meaning that for a while, Misunderstood actually was the second track on the album.
(source) (https://youtu.be/-vENC0wV-CM?t=199)
Huh? That chart is nothing more than a list of songs, and nothing in that video supports the conclusion about any "planned" album order
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I figured it'd be too much of a coincidence for the other songs to be in the exact same order as the album, but whatever :dunno:
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I would only use the second disc, and call it a concept album instead of one long song. Then I'd release the first disc as another album with a new name.
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That leads to a couple of interesting questions...
Had the band released Disc 2 of Six Degrees as its own CD in early 2002 and then Disc 1 as another studio album (under a different name) later in 2002, which one would be more popular with fans? And how would these albums rank individually?
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That leads to a couple of interesting questions...
Had the band released Disc 2 of Six Degrees as its own CD in early 2002 and then Disc 1 as another studio album (under a different name) later in 2002, which one would be more popular with fans? And how would these albums rank individually?
They would've been considered two very short albums :lol
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That’s interesting because each disc has slight drawbacks that are not on the other. Namely disc 1 is drawn out while 2 is not, and disc 2 has the only skippable track in the overture.
I’d go with disc 2 winning out, but they’re both so good in separate ways.
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Had the band released Disc 2 of Six Degrees as its own CD in early 2002 and then Disc 1 as another studio album (under a different name) later in 2002, which one would be more popular with fans? And how would these albums rank individually?
I bought Scenes and 6DoiT at the same time which revitalized my love of DT - though I didn't care for the SDoiT track/suite/whatever much (and still don't). If they never released Disc 2 it wouldn't have diminished my feelings for them one iota. Disc 2 as a standalone would have been a let down, especially when measured up against Scenes and the subsequent release of Disc 1 as its own album.
So then they get tiered thus:
I&W
Awake
SDoiT Disc 1
ADToE
Scenes
ToT
TA
DoT (still not sure where this goes)
DT12
8VM
BC&SL
SDoiT Disc 2
WD&DU
FII
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I think it would've been cool to have a sort of Deliverance/Damnation style duo between the two discs, but I think that people would inevitably still try to merge the two albums into one, especially if they had the same name.
That said, it'd be interesting to see how the future albums would've been written after they had broken the tradition of making 70+ minute albums (which they had done since Awake). Maybe the albums' positive reception would convince the band to write more concise albums after that point. That's pure speculation though.
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I wouldn't change a thing. Love the album as is!
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That leads to a couple of interesting questions...
Had the band released Disc 2 of Six Degrees as its own CD in early 2002 and then Disc 1 as another studio album (under a different name) later in 2002, which one would be more popular with fans? And how would these albums rank individually?
I basically disregarded disc 1 for 5-6 years and only listened to disc 2 and LOVED it (and still do). Since I now only like the first 3 songs on disc 1, it would probably be a pretty low ranking album as a stand-alone effort. Having grown up in an era where the average album length was 38-44 minutes, a 42 minute album (disc 2) wouldn't have been a problem.
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That leads to a couple of interesting questions...
Had the band released Disc 2 of Six Degrees as its own CD in early 2002 and then Disc 1 as another studio album (under a different name) later in 2002, which one would be more popular with fans? And how would these albums rank individually?
I don't think it would have quite the amount of "unanimous praise" that the current version of SDoIT has. I think a lot of people will love both and rate them very highly, others will prefer the first album, and others the second. As for me personally, I'd rank them as:
01. The Astonishing
02. SfaM
03. Octavarium
04. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (Disc 2)
05. ADToE
06. SDoIT (Disc 1)
07. ToT
08. I&W
09. FII
10. DT12
10. BC&SL
12. Systematic Chaos
13. Awake
14. When Dream & Day Unite
Honestly, I'm in that first group that really loves both. Honestly, I prefer the epic to the 5 songs tho.
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I gave the title track a good listen this weekend and while I still find the first 6 sections are anywhere from dull to underwhelming (though I highly enjoy WIMH and TTTSTA on the Budokan DVD), I enjoyed the last two much more than I used to. With that in mind, how about:
1: The Glass Prison
2: Blind Faith
3: Misunderstood
4: Disappear
5. About To Crash Reprise
6. Losing Time/Grand Finale