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Official Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCyEX6u-Yhs
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Not so sure about this. I'd like to have faith that Cameron/Miller combo can do better than the last 3 Terms, but this trailer doesn't excite me. The comments in the YT version I watched were priceless.
"Time Travel!!!
I see this as a win"
Terminator fans: Terminator 5 doesn't really make much sense and the timeline is really confusing
Terminator 6: Hold my beer
The gender fluid vegan terminator is here to check your privilege
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Whta have me confused is this: If everything after T2 never happened (James Cameron's words) Then who is this Arnold we see in this trailer, because in T2 he died in that LAVA pool
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Not so sure about this. I'd like to have faith that Cameron/Miller combo can do better than the last 3 Terms, but this trailer doesn't excite me. The comments in the YT version I watched were priceless.
Same here. I want it to be awesome but it just looks like another The Force Awakens/A New Hope thing. Only "time" will tell. hehe
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Not so sure about this. I'd like to have faith that Cameron/Miller combo can do better than the last 3 Terms, but this trailer doesn't excite me.
Yeah....I'd love for this to be good but.....that trailer does nothing to show me this will be any different than the last handful of attempts to capture the magic of the first two films. We shall see but I have a hunch it'll fall short like the rest of them.
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It looks like a bloody mashup of Term 2, 3, Salvation, and Genesis.
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I don't think I've seen a Terminator movie past T2.
I seemed obvious Sarah was the one coming out of the car toward the beginning. I genuinely did not anticipate the Arnold reveal however.
Those fight scenes are just.... ugh. Seeing Arnold and the T-1000 have a brief fight when they both close in on John at the mall was more intriguing and intense.
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James Cameron doing this makes me wet a little, but this trailer doesn't make me all of the sudden think it's going to be a good movie. I've stopped paying attention after the 4th one.
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James Cameron doing this makes me wet a little, but this trailer doesn't make me all of the sudden think it's going to be a good movie. I've stopped paying attention after the 4th one.
Dude also raved about how amazing he thought Genesys was.
So all of this...ALL of it......trailer, Cameron, etc, I am taking with a huge grain of salt. I've been hurt before. Like 3 times or something.
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James Cameron doing this makes me wet a little, but this trailer doesn't make me all of the sudden think it's going to be a good movie. I've stopped paying attention after the 4th one.
Dude also raved about how amazing he thought Genesys was.
So all of this...ALL of it......trailer, Cameron, etc, I am taking with a huge grain of salt. I've been hurt before. Like 3 times or something.
Yea, I didn't see that one but I get what you mean for those who have. I'm almost certainly not going to go to a movie theater to see this anyway, but maybe one if it got good reviews I'd want to eventually check it out.
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Trailer looks good! Hopefully Cameron will breath life back into the franchise.
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It looks like a bloody mashup of Term 2, 3, Salvation, and Genesis.
That's what I was thinking as well. Looks like a hot pile of shit honestly. T1 and T2 are two of my favorite movies ever made and I am so tired of seeing this franchise get royally violated over and over again. Just let it die already.
I'll pass
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Cool thing I saw was that the Terminator himself posted this trailer on reddit with the title that the trailer doesn't give away the entire movie. lol. He ended up doing an Q&A and some of his replies were quite wholesome.
I might check it out depending on how the word of mouth is.
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I saw the trailer.
I still don't want to watch, and will continue to pretend that the only Terminator films are the first two.
Just like there is only one Matrix film, one BTTF film, and 2 Jaws films.
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Trailer didn't impress me but I'm still holding out hope this could be good because the people involved are good and I've seen them in interviews and it feels like Tim Miller "gets" it. Hopefully this movie delivers when we finally see it. I'm not too hyped about all the flipping around which makes it look like a superhero movie though. When Arnold and the T1000 fought each other it looked like two machines going at it. Arnold was big, slow and when he was pushed through walls, you felt it. The ninja flips after being hit looks a bit silly in comparison.
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We didn’t get an official trailer for Tim Miller’s upcoming Terminator: Dark Fate, but he did bring a behind-the-scenes featurette that showed off plenty of new footage and action a panel at Comic-Con on Thursday. The film hits theaters on November 1st.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iTco6JgZ4o
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Eddie Furlong is apparently in it as well
https://hypebeast.com/2019/7/edward-furlong-john-connor-terminator-dark-fate-info
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Final trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxy8udgWRmo
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Ok ... THAT was cool. I think I'm down for this.
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This guy, The Critical Drinker, does some hilarious reviews.
Dark Fate Teaser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EN4yJLkYLs
Dark Fate Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMa-brr5wlg
His drunk Scottish (Irish? I dunno) accent is what really makes these work. He calls the new bad-guy Terminator an "Apple Genius".
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This movie looks terrible. No one wanted it and it’s likely to flop.
The only and I mean ONLY way they could ever bring Terminator back is to go back to basics and make smaller budget horror/sci fi film. They need to Stop trying to make a shitty version of T2 and make something closer to T1 with a smaller scale, simple but GOOD story. The same thing did wonders for the Halloween franchise.
I’m also conflicted; I get that Arnold is probably the best aspect of the Terminator series but the idea of an aging Terminator is stupid and doesn’t even make sense in the original lore. Yes, he is living tissue but he also clearly states that he is operational for 120 years, so obviously he doesn’t age like
a regular human.
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This movie looks terrible. No one wanted it and it’s likely to flop.
The only and I mean ONLY way they could ever bring Terminator back is to go back to basics and make smaller budget horror/sci fi film. They need to Stop trying to make a shitty version of T2 and make something closer to T1 with a smaller scale, simple but GOOD story. The same thing did wonders for the Halloween franchise.
I’m also conflicted; I get that Arnold is probably the best aspect of the Terminator series but the idea of an aging Terminator is stupid and doesn’t even make sense in the original lore. Yes, he is living tissue but he also clearly states that he is operational for 120 years, so obviously he doesn’t age like
a regular human.
I think that means he can look like the crypt keeper, but still carry out his mission.
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Yeah it looks like shit.
I want nothing to do with this movie.
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I want nothing to do with this movie.
I'll probably give it a watch when it hits streaming and/or movie channels. But certainly will not go to the theater to see it.
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Yeah I’m pretty much the biggest T1 and T2 fan of all time and I’m still like, meh. I don’t know who thought this was a good idea
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Just saw an early screening. Overall I feel pretty meh about it. I will save spoilers until its official release, but here are my spoiler free thoughts:
Quality wise, it's as bad or good as every other Post T2 sequel. Does it come anywhere near the quality or satisfaction of the first two? Absolutely not.
Dark Fate is serviceable at best, but ultimately generic and unnecessary. Story wise, this is all very familiar ground. We've been down this same old road multiple times at this point and its very tired material.
The action was making me dizzy. Felt like I was watching a Transformers movie where everything was cranked up to 11 and was so over the top I could not suspend my disbelief at all what so ever. There is zero subtlety and zero suspense. Its like getting hit in the face with a fire hose for 2 hours.
Music means a lot to me and T2's music was truly excellent, and the musical cues and themes meshed so perfectly with the film. T1's music is dated, sure, but works well with the film. The music here is so utterly generic and just there.
Is it terrible? No, but its certainly not great and I would not recommend going to see this in the theater. When its available on streaming and if you are bored one night, its worth throwing on, but nothing worth going out of your way to see.
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Question. Even if one's sole expectation is eye-candy on the big screen, is it worth it? Before answering, I feel I must point out that - for that purpose - I loved Battleship, King Kong, and both Godzilla's. On the flip side, I hated the Marky-Mark Transformers (although, the 4th does have a genius performance by Stanley Tucci).
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Stuff like Godzilla and battleship are huge, fun spectacles which I enjoy as well. Dark fate has its moments, but doesn't really reach those levels. Its is more like here's this car chase or here's this other chase. The eye candy is there in small doses sprinkled through out the film.
And honestly, maybe 40 mins of the movie is people standing around talking with zero eye candy.
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Stuff like Godzilla and battleship are huge, fun spectacles which I enjoy as well. Dark fate has its moments, but doesn't really reach those levels. Its is more like here's this car chase or here's this other chase. The eye candy is there in small doses sprinkled through out the film.
And honestly, maybe 40 mins of the movie is people standing around talking with zero eye candy.
Yeah... 2019 Linda Hamilton is a far cry from Brooklyn Decker or Brie Larsen in tank tops. Gonna have to re-think seeing this.
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That's not very promising, I had hopes given Cameron was involved. Oh well, I wasn't likely to see it in theaters anyway so one day I'll eventually check it out because I'd still like to see it but expectations are much lower now.
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All I will say is -- Terminator: Salvation was the best Terminator film outside of the first two. And I believe they screwed things up by not continuing off of Salvation.
I'll see the new one, but in all honesty, I never found it necessary to have further sequels after T2.
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All I will say is -- Terminator: Salvation was the best Terminator film outside of the first two. And I believe they screwed things up by not continuing off of Salvation.
Agreed. Genisys was aired recently on TV, and I recorded. I'm looking forward to reminding myself how much of a cluster fuck it was. T3 was just a terrible way to try and get the franchise to Judgement Day. Valiant effort; poor execution; awful cast.
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I always enjoyed T3. Sure not as good as the first two, but I did think it was a solid movie overall. That has one of my favorite chase scenes too.
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T3 I was very excited for, but forgot about it soon after seeing it.
Salvation was the one with the right idea after T2. Just set it in the future and do the future war. Seems like a no brainer if you want to do something fresh. And it definitely felt fresh, but really my one gripe is that it doesn't have a Terminator vibe or atmosphere. I see that future war as literally dark, and horrifying. Where everyone is on the verge of starvation and Plasma riffles are whats being used. But oh well.
Genesys is just a strait up guilty pleasure for me. I throw it on from time to time just for the hell of it. Its so dumb :lol
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Jai Courtney ruined Genisys. Emilia Clarke wasn't a very good Sarah Connor either, but Jai was the furthest away from Kyle Reese one could be. Other than him, I didn't mind the movie. Unfortunately, he was in the majority of it. The kid from Salvation was a better Reese, but yeah... :(
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Genisys ruined genisys.
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Genisys ruined genisys.
I liked the recreated scenes from T1, and Arnold is always great. I think Genisys is better than T3, and Salvation is better than both.
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I'll have to go back and watch Salvation again. I don't really have a good sense of what I thought of it. But to me, although there is a pretty steep dropoff from T1 and T2 to any of the other films, I thought the TSCC show was fantastic.
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I remember liking Salvation enough to get it on blu-ray but I hardly remember it at this point. It definitely felt different and more fresh.
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I rewatched Genisys the other night because it was on Netflix and holy crap was it a lot worse than I remembered from when I saw it in the cinema. Jai Courtney obviously way miscast as Kyle Reese and looked nothing like him, Emilia Clarke did not have that "badass female warrior" vibe that Linda Hamilton had at all and as for the T1000 it just seemed like a weird choice. Considering it was a small part and it's a shapeshifter, why didn't they try to get Robert Patrick for a cameo? Just seemed random to shove the T1000 into the movie and have it played by some asian guy who was still in a cop uniform because REFERENCE.
While I don't think the movie started off bad, I actually enjoyed the first 20-30 minutes or so and recreating the T1 stuff was kinda fun. However, once they introduce "we gotta time travel into the future again with a time machine built in 1984" element the whole movie just falls apart for me. I was kinda hyped initially when they were kinda Back to the Future 2-ing it in 1984 with an alternative timeline, but the whole "lets go to 2017" and what follows just becomes a hot mess. By the end of it you're not really clear on anything. :P
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I'll have to go back and watch Salvation again. I don't really have a good sense of what I thought of it. But to me, although there is a pretty steep dropoff from T1 and T2 to any of the other films, I thought the TSCC show was fantastic.
I was really bummed when that got cancelled.
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I'll have to go back and watch Salvation again. I don't really have a good sense of what I thought of it. But to me, although there is a pretty steep dropoff from T1 and T2 to any of the other films, I thought the TSCC show was fantastic.
I was really bummed when that got cancelled.
This just reminded me that I never watched the show at all. I've heard a lot of good things, so I am gonna have to check it out.
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I'll have to go back and watch Salvation again. I don't really have a good sense of what I thought of it. But to me, although there is a pretty steep dropoff from T1 and T2 to any of the other films, I thought the TSCC show was fantastic.
I was really bummed when that got cancelled.
This just reminded me that I never watched the show at all. I've heard a lot of good things, so I am gonna have to check it out.
For some reason, I missed the start of S2, and then it never came back for 2nd round of repeat airings, so I never did see it. :sadpanda:
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Man, I love T1 and T2 and I’ve never seen TSCC. Terminator fans seems to love it but every clip I’ve seen on YouTube looks cheeesy, poorly acted, and super low budget...
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Watched Genesys last night... man that's bad. Along with everything mentioned above, the way they tackle the paradox's of time travel was bad. Same with the way to shoe-horn in old-Arnie, and the Asian T1000, and upgrading Arnie to a T1000, and JK Simmons' character (he was good, reason for the character was dumb).
Just so bad.
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T3 was an enjoyable action flick. I really liked Salvation and it seemed the most "real" in the series. I seem to remember that Salvation was going to the be the start of a new trilogy?
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Yeah, not only was Salvation supposed to be the start of a trilogy, but Genesys was also supposed to be part of a trilogy as well. Oops :lol
but anyway. I started watching TSCC and hot damn, its actually pretty damn good. I can't believe I slept on this show back in the day. I'll be the first one to admit I'm a huge T1 and T2 fanboy and the show its doing it for me big time. Yes, it does have the TV show feel to it in a lot of places, but I swear sometimes it feels like I'm watching a film. Very decent stuff. And Lena Headey does a fantastic job as Sarah conner.
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Both seasons seem to have a focus in the beginning, start to meander in the middle, and wrap on strong. Season 2 starts to feel like it is meandering a bit earlier, and feels like it has all kinds of disparate threads, and then the finale somehow wraps them all up and makes you realize they were all actually VERY important to the big picture.
Allison from Palmdale... :( :heart
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It's bland. It's no way better than 'Rise of the Machines'. Been a while since I saw 'Salvation' and I haven't seen 'Genisys' since it opened, but I'm pretty sure 'Dark Fate' is no better. It's a very forgettable retread of the traditional Terminator formula (two come from the future - one killer, one protector) it follows all the same beats, but the action is surprising sparse and when it does arrive it's actually quite flat. On the plus side Mackenzie Davis is very good. However Linda Hamilton's return as Sarah sadly seems off (reminds me of Karen Allen reprising Marion in Crystal Skull).
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Ok, now that its officially out worldwide, here go my SPOILER related thoughts:
SPOILERS
They Murder john Connor right in the first 5 mins...
It looks to be shortly after T2. Sarah and John are chilling at a beach bar and a T-800 comes right up to them and shoots John Dead. This is where I checked out of the movie. No thanks. I want nothing to do with any of that. But I continued watching to see where it went.
Ok, on to the next dumb thing. Something so dumb, I didn't think it was possible. This same T-800 that just murdered this little kid in cold blood and that was designed solely to murder humans sees some lady getting slapped around by her man, so he randomly decides this is wrong, then saves her and then MARRIES her and raises the lady's kid, but the relationship is specifically described as "Non-physical" and he has a business where he hangs curtains in little girl's rooms... What in the mother fuck is going on :rollin
Say what you will about T3, Salvation and Genysis, but they didn't do stuff this dumb. And keep in mind they mention that she doesn't know he's a terminator. Again, what the fuck :lol
Boy, my husband doesn't breathe, doesn't eat, doesn't sleep, doesn't piss or shit, refuses to fuck me, kiss me or even touch me. Yeah, nothing goofy going on here and I'll just never question it and be cool with it...
So yeah, on top of the super strait forward rehash of same story for the 5th time, which was completely unnecessary and mediocre at best, they slather on that top layer of shit described above. As stated before, when its available on streaming. Sure, check it out. But don't bother going to a theater. Its really not worth it.
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SPOILERS
Regarding John Connor I know some people will take that as a slap in the face on the franchise and a smear on T1 and T2, for me the point of that scene was to set up Sarah as a bitter old lady full of resentment and hate and it worked for this movie. Overall I'm still very torn on this decision because I don't like that they killed him off, yet I can see the purpose it served in the story so it's a bit of a mixed bag.
Regarding the T-800 I actually thought that element of the movie was the most interesting one by far and if that was the movie itself it would have been much more interesting to me. A terminator sent back from a future that was prevented, who carried out his mission (first time this really happens) and is then stranded in the past with no objective. Having a Terminator who had lived among humans for 20-30 years and having become more human over time was interesting and I kinda wish it had been explored more than just a few throwaway lines.
Overall to me the movie was like a 6.5 - maybe a weak 7 out of 10 and I would say it's the best since T2 mainly because the villain was actually quite good IMO and I enjoyed the protagonist sent back as well. The plot is a bit of a safe rehash of T1/T2 but it doesn't have the awkward comedy and made for TV-movie feel of T3, it didn't have the total disconnect of Salvation and it wasn't as terrible as Genisys. It's the least bad out of 4 sequels were ultimately none comes close to the first 2. :p
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I'm kinda between Zantera and Phoenix on the whole evolution of Carl. There could've been a better way for the T-800 to learn humanity, but I'm totally fine with that thread... just the details of it were kinda 'out there'. Also, anyone else notice that the dog didn't bark at him?
I liked Grace, and not too stuffed on the main plotline - it's been the same (except for Salvation)... 2 go back in time; one protector, one Terminator. Why should this movie be any different? The franchise has always done a shit job at addressing time travel and paradox's, and there were more than a few minor plot holes (eg, how did Sarah know to be on the bridge? The time shockwave theory that Carl explained doesn't explain getting her to the bridge when she did) Otherwise, it wasn't as bad as I was expecting. Just another movie to showcase new CGI techniques.
6.5/10 seems about right.
Cool thing was i saw it in a theater with full leather recliner chairs. That was a comfortable experience.
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Honestly, the concept of a T-800 moving toward humanization is actually pretty cool and interesting. And hell, I wouldn't have minded watching a strait up drama film of a machine finding its own purpose after achieving and finishing its pre-programmed purpose. But I would have liked to see the journey though, not just be told this is what happened.
At the very least, it would have been something different. And If a character study of the Joker can be compelling and successful with Zero batman in the movie, then perhaps terminator can do something similar as well.
And yeah, that dog definitely should have been barking :lol
And besides the dog thing, Carl's likeness would probably still be on America's most wanted after all those cops got murdered in T1 and all the mayhem of T2, and him personally murdering a kid in broad daylight with witnesses, but whatever :P
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I feel like that's an issue not just with Dark Fate but was also the case with Genisys and some of the other sequels where there's events that the characters describe that sounds far more interesting than the actual movie we got. In Dark Fate I would have been more interested to see a movie about the T-800 that carried out his mission and was now stuck in the past and see what happened to him. In Genisys there was a similar plot point where Arnold couldn't travel from 1984 to 2017 due to an open wound so he stayed behind and he had some comment how he worked in construction or whatever to pass the time. That sounded fun! In T3 we pick up where John Connor is half-crazy homeless guy and he said he's been living off the grid for years and that could also have made for an interesting character study movie.
If you think about it, what the Terminator movies have become isn't that far off from superhero movies. I remember that scene in Genisys when Arnold was thrown in the liquid metal tank and somehow he emerged as a T1000 instead of a T800 and that scene kinda felt like Captain America using Thor's hammer or something - a wink wink to the audience. Fan service and all that. If they can spend 400 million dollars on Dark Fate (~200 for the movie, ~200 for marketing) why can't they take a risk on a 'spin off' type movie in the same style as a Joker for example - a more simple and character driven story without giant explosions, for 1/4th the budget?
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Finally saw this the other night. It was a good "I'm kinda bored tonight; maybe some mindless sci-fi/action" watch. Had low expectations. It met them. It was fine. Overall, it was a fun watch, but nothing that needs to be repeated. Yeah, it had problems. But everything after T2 does. I thought Carl was the best part. And the subtle humor of him having a draperies business hit the mark, IMO. I'm also in the 6.5-7/10 camp, but I don't view that as overly negative either.
Honestly, the concept of a T-800 moving toward humanization is actually pretty cool and interesting. And hell, I wouldn't have minded watching a strait up drama film of a machine finding its own purpose after achieving and finishing its pre-programmed purpose. But I would have liked to see the journey though, not just be told this is what happened.
You kinda get something similar in TSCC, and you get it from the points of view of different machines, which winds up being pretty cool.
I'll have to go back and watch Salvation again. I don't really have a good sense of what I thought of it. But to me, although there is a pretty steep dropoff from T1 and T2 to any of the other films, I thought the TSCC show was fantastic.
I was really bummed when that got cancelled.
This just reminded me that I never watched the show at all. I've heard a lot of good things, so I am gonna have to check it out.
For some reason, I missed the start of S2, and then it never came back for 2nd round of repeat airings, so I never did see it. :sadpanda:
Did you ever go back and remedy that? You should.
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I bought this film from the PS Store for £5 and have never gotten around to watching it. I will at some point.
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I have similar thoughts as bosk on Dark Fate. It was entertaining and I enjoyed it more than Genisys. It had some issues but I think story wise it was definitely better than the previous few movies.
I think Genisys started out quite well then fell apart, Salvation didn't really get a grip on what type of movie it was to be. It's been a while since I saw T3 but my memory from it was the actor playing John Connor was not up to par, everything else was alright.
I've been meaning to check out the show, just haven't gotten round to it.
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Finally saw this the other night. It was a good "I'm kinda bored tonight; maybe some mindless sci-fi/action" watch. Had low expectations. It met them. It was fine. Overall, it was a fun watch, but nothing that needs to be repeated. Yeah, it had problems. But everything after T2 does. I thought Carl was the best part. And the subtle humor of him having a draperies business hit the mark, IMO. I'm also in the 6.5-7/10 camp, but I don't view that as overly negative either.
Honestly, the concept of a T-800 moving toward humanization is actually pretty cool and interesting. And hell, I wouldn't have minded watching a strait up drama film of a machine finding its own purpose after achieving and finishing its pre-programmed purpose. But I would have liked to see the journey though, not just be told this is what happened.
You kinda get something similar in TSCC, and you get it from the points of view of different machines, which winds up being pretty cool.
I'll have to go back and watch Salvation again. I don't really have a good sense of what I thought of it. But to me, although there is a pretty steep dropoff from T1 and T2 to any of the other films, I thought the TSCC show was fantastic.
I was really bummed when that got cancelled.
This just reminded me that I never watched the show at all. I've heard a lot of good things, so I am gonna have to check it out.
For some reason, I missed the start of S2, and then it never came back for 2nd round of repeat airings, so I never did see it. :sadpanda:
Did you ever go back and remedy that? You should.
It’s one of several shows on my “to-watch” list. Went out and obtained a copy of the series, but have yet to watch.
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If he can only see in infra red, then how can he tell the what the color of the drapes are in the little girls bedroom
Goin after those hard hitting questions :lol
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I have a theory that James Cameron knows his two are the best and that he gets paid any time a new Terminator is made.
People will always say his two are the best and they keep getting worse.
He keeps saying nice things about the movies cause the money keeps coming in.
Cause that's what I would do. Never direct another Terminator movie and secretly laugh at how bad they are - and make your OG two look even better by comparison
whilst still getting that royalty.
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Anyway - here is how I rate them. I'm expecting to not enjoy Dark Pate as much as Genisys - which i thought was the best since T2...
1. Judgement Day
2. The Terminator
3. Geni5y5
4. Rise Of The Machines ( should have been called Judgement Daytime. It's the same film. But in sunlight :P )
5. Dark Fate ( guessing )
6. Salvation ( just bad ).
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That's something Cameron would totally do :lol
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I agree. But not really in a dickish way. He knows his first two are the best. The more films that get made only strengthen that position and he gets the royalties
for coming up with the characters and title etc.
I'd totally be like " yep - make as many as you want... " :)
If I was Jim Cameron - i'd never direct another Terminator movie again.
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There's no way Salvation is the worst one. I mean it's not great, but it's the only sequel post T2 that actually tries to do something different. I think T3 is okay (but a far cry from T2 and kinda ruins the point of T2 for me), Salvation is a bit interesting but not very great, Genisys is terrible and Dark Fate aside from a few action sequences is just pretty dull imo.
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Salvation is the only one I mildly like. If they would have stuck to all night time and purple lazers, then that like may have been love.
I respect Salvation because its the only one that tried something new. Every other one is the same plot with mild variations. Robot comes back from the future to take someone out. It gets old.
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Salvation is the only one I mildly like. If they would have stuck to all night time and purple lazers, then that like may have been love.
I respect Salvation because its the only one that tried something new. Every other one is the same plot with mild variations. Robot comes back from the future to take someone out. It gets old.
While I definitely agree, another issue is they don't even try to change things up. They could do that same story but have it take place in Western times or something where you get a whole different scenery and if you do it in an earlier time period, the threat of the terminator itself is also enhanced. It was semi challenging to take out the terminator in 1984 and the T-1000 in 91 but the more modern you set it, the less dangerous a terminator feels.
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That's a good point.
With time travel, there's so many limitless cool possibilities.
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T3 is the absolute worst, I have many gripes, but it comes down to 2 specific moments for me:
1) Arnold gets the keys out of the visor of the car cuz it's something he learned in T2... but that was a different Terminator.
2) When they're in the RV:
John: "Don't you remember me? Taking down Cyberdyne? Hasta la vista, baby?"
Terminator: "No, that was a different Terminator."
John: "What, do you guys come off of an assembly line or something?"
*sigh* Come on. There's no way John is *this* stupid and the fact that Terminator new before to look in the visor for the keys and says later in the movie he's a different Terminator is such stupid writing.
Positives:
- When Terminator Hulk-smashes the car instead of John. I thought that was a really cool scene and somewhat of a nice dramatic moment.
- A combination solid/liquid Terminator seemed like the next logical evolution from Cyberdyne.
- I thought the "I killed you" revelation was pretty cool since Terminator explains just before that how his model was chosen due to an emotional attachment John had to it from the past.
- The "we need a new vehicle" running gag was un-intentionally funny but I liked it.
- Terminator's sacrifice to save John and Kate.
Other Gripes:
- The strip club scene.
- The new Terminator AI should be at least as crafty and "human" as the T-1000 but she seems to be more robotic and easier to spot but T-1000 had a much more advanced personality.
- How old are John and Kate? Maybe 25? Yet somehow they completely don't recognize each other even with the fact they made out in the basement less than 10 years earlier.
- John's weak-ass fake limp at the end.
- Sarah just being "dead" like she's nothing was a really lame way to say she's not in the movie.
- Nick Stahl is a terrible actor, even in Sin City.
If I have to rank them I'd go:
1) T2 (you can watch this without seeing T1, but it definitely works better if you have seen T1)
2) T1
3) Salvation
4) Genysis (I loved Emilia Clarke as Sarah but the actor playing John not so much, and if they're going to re-create early scenes why not do them exactly like they were instead of way off)
5) Dark Fate (probably, haven't seen it)
6) T3
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The T-800 is classic. Great villain. The T-1000 to me is on the same level. Made sense to go from sturdy clunky metal skeleton to slim, sleek liquid. Both of them are up there in terms of movie villains. But after that I think almost every model they have introduced has felt like a step backwards. Alright, the one in T3 (TX?) having the ability to control/take over other machines made some sense even if the use of it in the movie felt inconsistent. But liquid and solid felt like a step back from the T-1000. Salvation was pretty neat because it had some different looking robots and also the introduction of the classic Terminator at the end was pretty cool. Genisys and Dark Fate also just felt a bit 'meh' when it came to the new models.
It's a shame that having a new terminator model is about the only new creative choice they can come up with from movie to movie. I think there are ways to make a new Terminator movie and make it good but they gotta take some risks and don't do some things they love doing. As much as I love Arnold (one of my favorite people in the world) there's just no reason for him to appear anymore and they've done pretty much all they can. I think they should stay clear of focusing too much on Skynet and Judgment Day and just keep it more simple.
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Well, Dark fate tanked so there probably won't be any more.
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Well, Dark fate tanked so there probably won't be any more.
The same was said about Genisys though. Give it a few years and there will definitely be another one, though I think that one will be without Arnold or Linda Hamilton just by nature of the time passed.
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1) T2 (you can watch this without seeing T1, but it definitely works better if you have seen T1)
2) T1
3) Salvation
4) Genysis (I loved Emilia Clarke as Sarah but the actor playing John not so much, and if they're going to re-create early scenes why not do them exactly like they were instead of way off)
5) Dark Fate (probably, haven't seen it)
6) T3
I think you pretty much nailed how I'd do it (and I have seen Dark Fate - it was pretty bad). I very much liked Bale's portrayal as John Connor. It's too bad it didn't do better, and we could've seen more of that direction for the franchise, instead of hitting 'reset' and going back to the same shit different smell. Genysis and Dark Fate were at least better than T3. That was just awful.
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Shoulda been called Geni5y5 but never mind :D
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Well, Dark fate tanked so there probably won't be any more.
I was originally going to respond that all of the last however many Terminators bombed but they never learned. But I wanted to fact check that first.
Turns you, at least going back to Salvation, this one definitely did way worse. It looks like it made around half (I'm not getting exact here) of Genysis which was considerably higher than Salvation, which was still higher than Dark Fate.
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Maybe it would have done better if they hadn't spoiled the twist in the goddamn trailer.
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1) T2 (you can watch this without seeing T1, but it definitely works better if you have seen T1)
2) T1
3) Salvation
4) Genysis (I loved Emilia Clarke as Sarah but the actor playing John not so much, and if they're going to re-create early scenes why not do them exactly like they were instead of way off)
5) Dark Fate (probably, haven't seen it)
6) T3
I think you pretty much nailed how I'd do it (and I have seen Dark Fate - it was pretty bad). I very much liked Bale's portrayal as John Connor. It's too bad it didn't do better, and we could've seen more of that direction for the franchise, instead of hitting 'reset' and going back to the same shit different smell. Genysis and Dark Fate were at least better than T3. That was just awful.
My take: I didn't hate any of them, but:
1. T2: Fantastic.
2. T1: Classic
3. T3: A MAJOR step down from the first two. But all in all, not bad.
-The rest: I don't care to rank them. They are all inferior, and they all make things unnecessarily confusing by retconning and/or ignoring something that came before. But none of them are bad, and it's nice to get some decently-done Terminator nostalgia every now and then.
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I think you pretty much nailed how I'd do it (and I have seen Dark Fate - it was pretty bad). I very much liked Bale's portrayal as John Connor. It's too bad it didn't do better, and we could've seen more of that direction for the franchise, instead of hitting 'reset' and going back to the same shit different smell. Genysis and Dark Fate were at least better than T3. That was just awful.
I thought Salvation was a really great "next step" in where they could go. A totally new "human" Terminator who doesn't even realize he's a Terminator.
T3, DF, and G, all rely way too heavily on what's already been done that they may as well just be remakes with all the throwbacks and such.
I was excited to see an actual People v Cyberdyne future wars thing.
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I was excited to see an actual People v Cyberdyne future wars thing.
Same. And it was really well done, imo.