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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: bosk1 on May 17, 2019, 10:57:25 AM
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Why don't we have this thread? ??? Well, now we do!
Here's the thought that prompted this. And maybe this actually isn't very "controversial," but... I don't want to know a whole lot about the real lives of most TV/film actors and actresses. Why? Well, two issues, really. And there is often a great deal of overlap between the two. First, I find that I frequently find the views of a LOT of actors and actresses to be naive, ill-informed, and sometimes even just outright repugant and off-putting. Second, many of them, if they got into acting and became celebrities at a very young age, have lived a very different, insulted life than the vast majority of people. Or even if they got into it a bit later in life, they have lived that life for long enough that they don't really remember or identify with what it means to live a "regular life" in the "real world." They are out of touch and don't appreciate how things actually work in the "real world." They are idealists without understanding why their ideals are often completely misplaced. I would be content if they would just shut up and not pontificate about real-world issues. I would be content to not know what they really think about...well, just about anything. Because once I find out, I tend to lose a lot of respect for them. I would rather just appreciate their work onscreen. /rant
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I'll start:
Most classic westerns from the 60's and 70's are boring. A friend once talked me into watching The Outlaw Josey Wales and I was never so bored.
The Wire isn't all that like many insist.
Jack Nicholson is more great personality than great actor.
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2001 - A Space Odyssey is utterly boring.
Yes, it was technologically groundbreaking for the time, it would be silly to deny it. It would be even sillier to deny that it was influential for the entire sci-fi genre (it basically invented sci-fi) as much as the Beatles were influential for today's music.
But the actual story itself as portrayed in the movie? I couldn't wait for it to end. I watched it to experience such a classic and influential movie but I will never, ever watch it again, not even some little bits here and there.
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Pulp Fiction is hot garbage. Kill Bill (both parts, but specifically part 2) is Tarantino's best film.
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Here's the thought that prompted this. And maybe this actually isn't very "controversial," but... I don't want to know a whole lot about the real lives of most TV/film actors and actresses.
I don't know if it's controversial either, but I agree both that I don't care much about the personal lives of celebrities, and that I don't care in the slightest what celebrities think about issues that are outside the purview of their profession. I don't really care what Russell Crowe thinks is the best way to prepare for a role, but that's at least something within his area of expertise, but I really don't give a rip what he thinks about stuff outside of his purview.
My (possibly) controversial opinions:
1. The Cosby Show sucked.
2. Quentin Tarantino hasn't done anything worth a damn (I've disliked everything he's done that I've seen and don't give a rip about stuff I haven't seen).
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Most classic westerns from the 60's and 70's are boring. A friend once talked me into watching The Outlaw Josey Wales and I was never so bored.
That's an interesting one for me. Growing up, I didn't like westerns at all. Wasn't into the genre at all--not even a little bit. In the late '80s, we got some REALLY good ones (for my tastes), namely, Tombstone and the Young Guns films. A bit after Tombstone, I remember seeing Gunfight at the OK Corral, and rather liking it. Recently, I was reading up on Clint Eastwood a bit and thinking to myself that I should go back and see the ones he was in, and thinking that I might actually like the genre a bit more now if I were to go back and see them. I'm curious to see whether or not that plays out.
Kill Bill (both parts, but specifically part 2) is Tarantino's best film.
Of the two, I think I prefer part 1. But I enjoyed the whole story, honestly, even though his brand of filmmaking and the vulgarity of it all generally isn't my style.
The Cosby Show sucked.
:omg: Wha?? I just--I don't even--I-- :omg:
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Cosby Show definitely sucked. :lol
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The Cosby Show sucked.
:omg: Wha?? I just--I don't even--I-- :omg:
Well...the mother was annoying as fuck, and the kids (esp. the girls) ranged from sickenly precocious to pretentious to obnoxious and entitled. Bill's character was the only tolerable one (sometimes the son was ok too).
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I loved the Cosby Show back in the 80's. Haven't seen it in a while, so no clue if it has aged well, but I'd be surprised if it didn't. That 2-hour run on NBC in the late 80's was money:
Cosby Show
Family Ties
Cheers
Night Court
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As a kid, I could never get into the Cosby show. Not sure why as I don't remember my reasonings, but I loved a bunch of similar sitcoms when I was young like Family Matters and Full House, but wasn't a fan of the Cosby's for whatever reason.
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I loved the Cosby Show back in the 80's. Haven't seen it in a while, so no clue if it has aged well, but I'd be surprised if it didn't. That 2-hour run on NBC in the late 80's was money:
Cosby Show
Family Ties
Cheers
Night Court
Thursday nights on NBC could not have been named more aptly than "Must See." Crazy how they dominated that night for decades.
I haven't watched any of those shows in decades, but imagine the first two (and about 98% of comedies from the 80s have not aged well) while the last two are still comic gold. Dan Fielding is one of my Top 3 TV characters of all time.
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Most classic westerns from the 60's and 70's are boring. A friend once talked me into watching The Outlaw Josey Wales and I was never so bored.
I am a huge Eastwood fan and even I am not a fan of some of his westerns from that era (though I love the Dollars Trilogy) I never cared much for the Dirty Harry movies either. Not sure what that says about my Eastwood fandom. Has there ever been an actor/director who excelled so far in to their golden years as he has?
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I loved the Cosby Show back in the 80's. Haven't seen it in a while, so no clue if it has aged well, but I'd be surprised if it didn't. That 2-hour run on NBC in the late 80's was money:
Night Court
I remember loving Night Court when I was younger
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The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air is the greatest sitcom ever made, and nothing has come close to matching it.
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The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air is the greatest sitcom ever made, and nothing has come close to matching it.
This post is hot garbage.
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The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air is the greatest sitcom ever made, and nothing has come close to matching it.
This post is hot garbage.
I like the Fresh Prince and I still agree that this post is garbage
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The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air is the greatest sitcom ever made, and nothing has come close to matching it.
This post is hot garbage.
Point me to a funnier sitcom.
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I am a huge Eastwood fan and even I am not a fan of some of his westerns from that era (though I love the Dollars Trilogy) I never cared much for the Dirty Harry movies either. Not sure what that says about my Eastwood fandom. Has there ever been an actor/director who excelled so far in to their golden years as he has?
I thought Dirty Harry was good when I finally saw it a few years ago, but I can't imagine watching it again.
Dan Fielding is one of my Top 3 TV characters of all time.
He was really funny, but very much a 1-trick pony. Even though I really liked Night Court, it used to bug me that he'd win the Emmy for best supporting actor in a comedy nearly every year over all of the great ones from Cheers (back when I thought those kinds of awards mattered).
The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air is the greatest sitcom ever made, and nothing has come close to matching it.
This post is hot garbage.
Point me to a funnier sitcom.
Seinfeld
Cheers
All in the Family
The Office (US)
Frasier
Curb Your Enthusiasm
That 70's Show
Friends
Everybody Loves Raymond
M*A*S*H
Should I keep going? ;)
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The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air is the greatest sitcom ever made, and nothing has come close to matching it.
This post is hot garbage.
Point me to a funnier sitcom.
Just off the top of my head really quickly...
Community
30 Rock
The Office
Parks and Rec
Arrested Development
Veep
Seinfeld
It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
Archer
South Park
Fresh Prince is a perfectly good/funny show. I used to enjoy the weekday morning reruns on TBS I think it was when I was younger and not in school for some reason. That said, I wouldn't even put it in the same league as the funniest shows I've ever seen.
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Do shows like Parks and Rec. and The Office count as sitcoms? I never really know what to call them... when I think of sitcoms I think of laugh tracks and particular set designs and camera angles.
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The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air is the greatest sitcom ever made, and nothing has come close to matching it.
This post is hot garbage.
Point me to a funnier sitcom.
Seinfeld
Cheers
All in the Family
The Office (US)
Frasier
Curb Your Enthusiasm
That 70's Show
Friends
Everybody Loves Raymond
M*A*S*H
Should I keep going? ;)
No, you proved my point enough.
I'll elaborate:
Mash is one of the most boring shows I've had the displeasure of watching. That 70's Show had a great first season, and I kept watching beyond that while it was still on, but a few years ago when I tried to rewatch it, I noticed something I hadn't back in the day. They had a live studio audience for the first season. By season 2 they switched to canned laughter and as an adult, that just put a sour taste in my mouth and turned me off.
Friends was funny, but not as funny. Cheers was also boring, but I barely watched any of it. It was one of those shows that was placed in the middle of two good shows. I havent watched every Seinfeld episode, but what I've seen was great.
Raymond was kinda meh. I don't consider Curb to be a sitcom. I'm talking traditional Fresh Prince TGIF style. I thought Step by Step was better than most of that line up. Kinda still holds up.
Anyway, havent watched All in the Family, The Office or Fraiser, but The Office isn't a sitcom. Again, TGIF style. Technically I guess it is a "situational comedy".
One I forgot that does actually rival Fresh Prince: 3rd Rock from the Sun. Pretty sure they switched to canned laughter at some point as well, but it was a much better show than That 70s Show.
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2001 - A Space Odyssey is utterly boring.
Yes, it was technologically groundbreaking for the time, it would be silly to deny it. It would be even sillier to deny that it was influential for the entire sci-fi genre (it basically invented sci-fi) as much as the Beatles were influential for today's music.
But the actual story itself as portrayed in the movie? I couldn't wait for it to end. I watched it to experience such a classic and influential movie but I will never, ever watch it again, not even some little bits here and there.
I can see where this comes from even though I love the movie.
What helped, for me, was seeing the film re-issue done by Christopher Nolan down at Village East Cinemas (I think DT did the D/T launch party there?). Seeing it on a massive screen, with loud surround sound, plus a little assistance from weed and Adderall, helped to really get into the vibe of the film. At home, it's a slow-ass film because it's harder to experience the immersion created by the sluggish pacing.
Plus it's kinda esoteric, obviously deliberately so. The whole structure and indirect storytelling really requires interpretation. In all honesty, my brain is not suited to literary/artistic interpretation, but a mild understanding of what was going on beforehand helped me to appreciate it instead of just being like "what?"
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My controversial opinions:
The Office (US) got bad long before Michael left the show. Married Jim and Pam are insufferable. SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT CICI
The Golden Girls is funny and good
Richard Dawson > Steve Harvey
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2001 - A Space Odyssey is utterly boring.
Yes, it was technologically groundbreaking for the time, it would be silly to deny it. It would be even sillier to deny that it was influential for the entire sci-fi genre (it basically invented sci-fi) as much as the Beatles were influential for today's music.
But the actual story itself as portrayed in the movie? I couldn't wait for it to end. I watched it to experience such a classic and influential movie but I will never, ever watch it again, not even some little bits here and there.
I can see where this comes from even though I love the movie.
What helped, for me, was seeing the film re-issue done by Christopher Nolan down at Village East Cinemas (I think DT did the D/T launch party there?). Seeing it on a massive screen, with loud surround sound, plus a little assistance from weed and Adderall, helped to really get into the vibe of the film. At home, it's a slow-ass film because it's harder to experience the immersion created by the sluggish pacing.
Plus it's kinda esoteric, obviously deliberately so. The whole structure and indirect storytelling really requires interpretation. In all honesty, my brain is not suited to literary/artistic interpretation, but a mild understanding of what was going on beforehand helped me to appreciate it instead of just being like "what?"
Oh well, I can see your point. But I guess I'm not give it a second try, sorry :D glad that you had fun with it however!
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The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air is the greatest sitcom ever made, and nothing has come close to matching it.
This post is hot garbage.
Point me to a funnier sitcom.
Seinfield
30 Rock
Cheers
All In The Family
Brooklyn Nine Nine
Curb Your Enthusiasm
Taxi
The Bob Newhart Show
Brockmire
I could go on.
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Pulp Fiction is hot garbage. Kill Bill (both parts, but specifically part 2) is Tarantino's best film.
Pulp Fiction is my #1 movie of all time.
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Mash is one of the most boring shows I've had the displeasure of watching.
M*A*S*H was one of the top sitcoms of all time. I'm curious, did you watch it when it was a first run? Something folks don't consider too much is that old sitcoms like M*A*S*H were templates for great sitcoms that followed in the 80's and 90's. Is it dated today? Probably, I don't watch the re-runs. But in the day, it was awesome.
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Pulp Fiction is hot garbage. Kill Bill (both parts, but specifically part 2) is Tarantino's best film.
Pulp Fiction is my #1 movie of all time.
I know it has a devoted fanbase, which disappoints me that I hate it so much. I cannot stand the way the story is told, the way it's edited together, the script, the way the characters look, everything about it annoys me. :lol
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I can't stand contemporary Hans Zimmer. His work from the 90's and early 2000's was excellent, but lately his quality and style of composition I can't stand.
Dunkirk and blade runner 2049 I would cite. The score is so grating and discordant. I want something that meshes well with the film, not takes me out of it. Makes me super worried that he's doing Dune 2020
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Mash is one of the most boring shows I've had the displeasure of watching.
M*A*S*H was one of the top sitcoms of all time. I'm curious, did you watch it when it was a first run? Something folks don't consider too much is that old sitcoms like M*A*S*H were templates for great sitcoms that followed in the 80's and 90's. Is it dated today? Probably, I don't watch the re-runs. But in the day, it was awesome.
I wasn't alive when it was first on. It was again one if those show that came on after a good one, or before a good one, but everytime that theme song came on I ran for the remote.
Night Court was really good too.
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Seinfeld was ridiculously overrated.
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Maybe not controversial, but I'm quite annoyed at the lack of proper titles for many episodes. So many series have now "Chapters" or "Episode 1 2 3 4".... I mean, you conjured up a series, you went all the trouble to get it approved, you thought of the story, the writing, the casting and all of that, but you can't be arsed to come up with a damn title for the episodes? yeah, I know it could be argued that many people talk about the numbers anyway, and even 20 years ago Friends made a point about it naming all the episodes in colloquial terms, "the one where....", but COME ON, just think of a damn title you lazy phucks.
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Spider-Man 3 isn't as bad as people say. Certainly better than TMAS 1 and 2.
Shrek 1 and 2 are both unironically better than most of the Disney Renaissance films.
I find Friends to be one of television's most overrated and boring television sitcoms and never got how so many got so invested into it.
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Shrek 1 and 2 are both unironically better than most of the Disney Renaissance films.
Fisticuffs by the bike racks, 3 PM tomorrow.
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I find Friends to be one of television's most overrated and boring television sitcoms and never got how so many got so invested into it.
Boy, I’m glad someone agrees. All of the characters act like annoying idiots (and not in a funny or endearing sort of way).
I’ll throw a controversial opinion out there: 99% of the projects Judd Apatow is involved in are hot garbage. 40 Year Old Virgin, Anchorman, and Step Brothers being the only exceptions. The rest is crap.
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Shrek 1 and 2 are both unironically better than most of the Disney Renaissance films.
Fisticuffs by the bike racks, 3 PM tomorrow.
:rollin
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Richard Dawson > Steve Harvey
There is no world in which this is a controversial opinion. Are there people who actually think Harvey is better than Dawson was?
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I am not sure Richard Dawson's quirky creepiness would have permitted him to be employed in any other capacity, but he owned Family Feud. I will say (probably not controversial) that Ray Combs was very good at the helm as well. I have never seen it hosted by anyone else.
In the pitch room, I have no idea how the creators of Friends sold it to NBC. "So it's about 6 New Yorkers living totally unrealistic lives and they are friends, and there are wacky things that happen, and some of them hook up." But somehow it worked. I'll give most of the credit to the writing*, Matthew Perry and David Schwimmer, the two most interesting and funny characters on the show. With an assist to the friendliest time slot of the week.
*You must have a good story otherwise it's just masturbation
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I am not sure Richard Dawson's quirky creepiness would have permitted him to be employed in any other capacity, but he owned Family Feud. I will say (probably not controversial) that Ray Combs was very good at the helm as well. I have never seen it hosted by anyone else.
Dawson was also a riot as a panelist on Match Game hosted by Gene Rayburn. Every once in a while, one or more of the panelists would show up intoxicated or actually drinking on the air. It was amazing some of the stuff that got past the censors.
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Those 70s game shows, and the personalities on them, are definitely in a class all their own.
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Let's hear it for Wink Martindale and Bob Eubanks. :clap:
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Richard Dawson > Steve Harvey
There is no world in which this is a controversial opinion. Are there people who actually think Harvey is better than Dawson was?
Maybe in these circles, but among the masses, Steve Harvey is wildly popular for some reason
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The 'Big Bang Theory' is not and was never funny. Ever.
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The 'Big Bang Theory' is not and was never funny. Ever.
I still find it funny, but it evolved well beyond the initial premise. It was meant to be "Street smart girl interacts with bunch of socially awkward nerds", then they akk eventually got families (included the unsufferable know it all that nobody ever seemed to realize has some kind of authism).
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The 'Big Bang Theory' is not and was never funny. Ever.
I still find it funny, but it evolved well beyond the initial premise. It was meant to be "Street smart girl interacts with bunch of socially awkward nerds", then they akk eventually got families (included the unsufferable know it all that nobody ever seemed to realize has some kind of authism).
I gave it a college try....that being about (5) episodes......and I honestly never experienced one genuine laugh. Maybe I'm just an idiot and it's too high brow for me....but, it never once tickled my funny bone. It felt cheesy and forced and like you could see the punch lines walking down the street before they got there.
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Richard Dawson > Steve Harvey
There is no world in which this is a controversial opinion. Are there people who actually think Harvey is better than Dawson was?
Maybe in these circles, but among the masses, Steve Harvey is wildly popular for some reason
Not that I watch a ton of Family Feud these days, but Steve Harvey is perfectly fine. The problem with the current episodes is that the risque level is over the top, whereas it used to be quite subtle. Harvey does find with what he's given, but the writing is pretty bad. So, it's not that there's anything wrong with Harvey, it's just that Dawson was great.
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The 'Big Bang Theory' is not and was never funny. Ever.
I still find it funny, but it evolved well beyond the initial premise. It was meant to be "Street smart girl interacts with bunch of socially awkward nerds", then they akk eventually got families (included the unsufferable know it all that nobody ever seemed to realize has some kind of authism).
I gave it a college try....that being about (5) episodes......and I honestly never experienced one genuine laugh. Maybe I'm just an idiot and it's too high brow for me....but, it never once tickled my funny bone. It felt cheesy and forced and like you could see the punch lines walking down the street before they got there.
So you hung out with the jocks and not the nerds when you were in high school. :lol
I like the show. The hidden geek in me loved it. Like MASH is got let funny and had more serious tomes to it towards the end but that's what happens when characters evolve.
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I'll always remembers one of the jokes from early seasons, possibly the first; they were making a pop culture quiz and the guys couldn't answer anything, Leonard in exasperation quipped to Penny "how come do you know all these things?" and she yelled "I GO OUTSIDE AND I TALK TO PEOPLE" :lol
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The 'Big Bang Theory' is not and was never funny. Ever.
No kidding. A guy at work a few years ago begged me to watch it. I literally couldn't get 10 minutes in. So fucking stupid....
which leads me to this..
I literally have not watched or followed a TV series in 25 years. The only exception was House briefly, which came on right after American Idol which my wife and I watched together for a couple of seasons.
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I am in agreement about Big Bang Theory. I tried watching it a few times and it was never funny. I never laughed a single time.
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I have never seen a single episode of:
Game Of Thrones
The Sopranos
Breaking Bad
Better Call Saul
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The 'Big Bang Theory' is not and was never funny. Ever.
No kidding. A guy at work a few years ago begged me to watch it. I literally couldn't get 10 minutes in. So fucking stupid....
which leads me to this..
I literally have not watched or followed a TV series in 25 years. The only exception was House briefly, which came on right after American Idol which my wife and I watched together for a couple of seasons.
So if that is the case, why does your opinion matter?
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I have never seen a single episode of:
Game Of Thrones
The Sopranos
Breaking Bad
Better Call Saul
Those are literally 4 of the best shows of all time. Fix yourself. Jeezus. Stop bragging and start watching. Srong witchu. :lol :lol :lol
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I wouldn't put Better Call Saul in that "best shows of all time" category, but the other three I would for sure.
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I literally have not watched or followed a TV series in 25 years.
The last series I followed regularly was NCIS. Mrs. Cool Chris and I started watching it when we were dating. It was literally the one show we could both enjoy, our tastes as so different. I think I stopped around season 7 or 8. I have different interests now and spend most of my evenings playing with my kids, and non-family doing other things.
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I am in agreement about Big Bang Theory. I tried watching it a few times and it was never funny. I never laughed a single time.
It seems like it's one of those shows where there's no middle ground. The people that like it really LIKE it......and the people that don't really dislike it. Like I said....for me the punchlines were telegraphed and when they weren't telegraphed they just weren't funny. I mean even this example from MirrorMask (even though it's only the text) really doesn't strike me as funny. But...to each their own I suppose.
I'll always remembers one of the jokes from early seasons, possibly the first; they were making a pop culture quiz and the guys couldn't answer anything, Leonard in exasperation quipped to Penny "how come do you know all these things?" and she yelled "I GO OUTSIDE AND I TALK TO PEOPLE"
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Apparently this is controversial: Big Bang Theory was one of the funniest sitcoms I've ever watched! :lol
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Big Bang had some pretty good elements to it wayyyy back in the day.
Leonard was always just annoying dick. Sheldon was originally actually very entertaining. Raj or whatever being mute around girls was pretty clever too, and of course Howard, his mom, and his AMAZINGLY hot girlfriend started off good too.
It just went down hill very very fast.
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Apparently this is controversial: Big Bang Theory was one of the funniest sitcoms I've ever watched! :lol
Nah man, we're just too stupid to get the nerd humor. ::)
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I get more laughs out of The Big Bang Theory watching it with all the laugh tracks taken out. It's so unfunny it becomes funny. :lol
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I have never seen a single episode of:
Game Of Thrones
The Sopranos
Breaking Bad
Better Call Saul
I've never seen the three other than GOT and have virtually no interest in seeing any of them either. I don't even know what Better Call Saul is about; I just know its a spin-off of Breaking Bad.
Also, BBT is one of my all-time favorite TV shows (despite the fact that Sheldon almost certainly would return his shopping carts to the corral). It certainly had its lulls, and I don't agree with all of the character development, but it was overall an excellent sitcom.
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Apparently this is controversial: Big Bang Theory was one of the funniest sitcoms I've ever watched! :lol
Nah man, we're just too stupid to get the nerd humor. ::)
I think it's much more likely that I'm too stupid to realize why it's not funny.
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Apparently this is controversial: Big Bang Theory was one of the funniest sitcoms I've ever watched! :lol
Nah man, we're just too stupid to get the nerd humor. ::)
I think it's much more likely that I'm too stupid to realize why it's not funny.
It's all subjective, as seen with my opinion of Fresh Prince being the funniest sitcom, and plenty disagreeing, so certain shows aren't going to resonate with everyone. That said, I think the defense of people not thinking BBT is funny cause the nerd/smart jokes are going over their head is complete bollocks. 2 and a Half Men is just as unfunny. Those tenniebopper Disney shows are abysmal as well. Don't put yourself down because a certain show sucks.
If Buffy the Vampire Slayer ended with Season 5, it would be one of the best TV shows. Same with Supernatural, which also should have ended after Season 5. Although there are still some great episodes afterwards.
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I have never seen a single episode of:
Game Of Thrones
The Sopranos
Breaking Bad
Better Call Saul
Those are literally 4 of the best shows of all time. Fix yourself. Jeezus. Stop bragging and start watching. Srong witchu. :lol :lol :lol
Eh, not everyone enjoys f-bombs every other word and people constantly being murdered. Weird, I know.
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That said, I think the defense of people not thinking BBT is funny cause the nerd/smart jokes are going over their head is complete bollocks.
I've literally never heard that defense. Is that really a thing? If so, I completely agree with you. Bollocks.
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That said, I think the defense of people not thinking BBT is funny cause the nerd/smart jokes are going over their head is complete bollocks.
I've literally never heard that defense. Is that really a thing? If so, I completely agree with you. Bollocks.
Example: TAC :lol
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I have never seen a single episode of:
Game Of Thrones
The Sopranos
Breaking Bad
Better Call Saul
Those are literally 4 of the best shows of all time. Fix yourself. Jeezus. Stop bragging and start watching. Srong witchu. :lol :lol :lol
Eh, not everyone enjoys f-bombs every other word and people constantly being murdered. Weird, I know.
It's sad that that's your only takeaway from those shows.
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I have never seen a single episode of:
Game Of Thrones
The Sopranos
Breaking Bad
Better Call Saul
Those are literally 4 of the best shows of all time. Fix yourself. Jeezus. Stop bragging and start watching. Srong witchu. :lol :lol :lol
Eh, not everyone enjoys f-bombs every other word and people constantly being murdered. Weird, I know.
Don't be silly, of course they do.
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I have never seen a single episode of:
Game Of Thrones
The Sopranos
Breaking Bad
Better Call Saul
Those are literally 4 of the best shows of all time. Fix yourself. Jeezus. Stop bragging and start watching. Srong witchu. :lol :lol :lol
Eh, not everyone enjoys f-bombs every other word and people constantly being murdered. Weird, I know.
It's sad that that's your only takeaway from those shows.
Agreed.
And with the exception of Season 1, Breaking Bad didn't have a ton of language. They definitely toned it way down from Season 2 onward (only 1 or 2 f-bombs a season).
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I have never seen a single episode of:
Game Of Thrones
The Sopranos
Breaking Bad
Better Call Saul
Those are literally 4 of the best shows of all time. Fix yourself. Jeezus. Stop bragging and start watching. Srong witchu. :lol :lol :lol
Eh, not everyone enjoys f-bombs every other word and people constantly being murdered. Weird, I know.
It's sad that that's your only takeaway from those shows.
Agreed.
And with the exception of Season 1, Breaking Bad didn't have a ton of language. They definitely toned it way down from Season 2 onward (only 1 or 2 f-bombs a season).
My favorite show is Justified, and although it's not as hardcore as BB, it still has plenty of violence that makes me uncomfortable.
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Let's hear it for Wink Martindale and Bob Eubanks. :clap:
70's hosts were legendary pigs. Obviously, Richard Dawson stands out with his creepy kissing of every woman on the show, kisses getting longer as the contestant got younger, but my personal favorite was Bob Barker. He had the 100$ pocket, that he'd reach pull out a c-note for the winning men, but the women had to "reach into that 100$ pocket..." for their reward. Even as a kid in the era I thought that shit was hella creepy.
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Pulp Fiction is hot garbage.
I'm not sure we could be friends after all. :-\
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Count me in the anti Big Bang Theory crowd. I always felt like people were giving it credit for being a "smart" comedy when it was really the same dumb humor you find in a hundred other comedies, just it was about smart topics.
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Count me in the anti Big Bang Theory crowd. I always felt like people were giving it credit for being a "smart" comedy when it was really the same dumb humor you find in a hundred other comedies, just it was about smart topics.
I LOVE TBBT since season 1 up until the last episode, I really like that kind of dumb humor. It entertained me greatly, in 2010 I was having a major break with my wife, and for some reason I became addicted to that show and I binwatched the first 5 seasons in like 2 weeks. I really like it, it's sad for me that they eneded it.
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The single greatest comedy show if all time is Peep Show.
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Jim Carrey is a once-in-a-generation comedic talent and a criminally underrated dramatic actor.
Dumb & Dumber is a comedic masterpiece. In fact, I'm skeptical of people who hate it; it's sort of an unofficial friendship litmus test with me.
Pee Wee's Big Adventure is a cinematic masterpiece in every sense of the term: cinematography, script, acting, etc. It's Tim Burton's best film. No comedy film from the 80's has aged better.
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Jim Carrey is a once-in-a-generation comedic talent and a criminally underrated dramatic actor.
Dumb & Dumber is a comedic masterpiece. In fact, I'm skeptical of people who hate it; it's sort of an unofficial friendship litmus test with me.
I LOVE classic Jim Carrey, Ace Ventura, Dumb & Dumber, and The Mask all in 1994 and maybe his three best movies (Actually I think Ace 2 is funnier but the original is a better story).
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Yeah, he was on top of the world in the mid 90's! I still love him.
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Jim Carrey is a once-in-a-generation comedic talent and a criminally underrated dramatic actor.
Dumb & Dumber is a comedic masterpiece. In fact, I'm skeptical of people who hate it; it's sort of an unofficial friendship litmus test with me.
I LOVE classic Jim Carrey, Ace Ventura, Dumb & Dumber, and The Mask all in 1994 and maybe his three best movies (Actually I think Ace 2 is funnier but the original is a better story).
He definitely was an A list guy in the mid-/late 90s. I just looked at his filmography and was surprised how little he has worked in the last 15 years.
1994 was the year my (now) wife started living together, and we went to tons of movies in those first few years. We loved The Mask at the time and even were fans of Batman Forever. But Dumb and Dumber is one of the worst movies I ever spent time watching. I'm sure I saw at least the first Ace Ventura, but I didn't like it and don't really remember it. Also skipped The Cable Guy. Liar Liar was ok. The Truman Show was a little odd, but I recall liking it. I think the only movies of his I've seen since then were Bruce Almighty and the two Seuss movies. He has zero drawing power for me anymore.
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90s Carrey is where it's at. Dumb & Dumber is an all time great comedy.
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How about I rank the Jim Carrey prime career movies (94-00) from best to least best
Ace Ventura 2
Ace Ventura
Dumb and Dumber
The Mask
Liar Liar
The Grinch
Man on the Moon
The Truman Show
Batman Forever
Me Myself and Irene
The Cable Guy
and I've never seen Simon Birch (I went off his wiki here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Carrey_filmography (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Carrey_filmography))
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I consider Man on the Moon a dramatic performance, despite the comedy, and even though I love his early comedic stuff, his dramatic stuff is better to me.
So I don't do rankings really, but I'd definitely put Man on the Moon and Truman Show above movies like Ace Venture and Dumb and Dumber, despite loving those too.
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Truman Show is one of my favorites. GREAT movie.
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The Truman Show is definitely a great flick, while Dumb and Dumber is one of my favorite comedies ever. Ace Ventura and Liar Liar are pretty great as well. The rest is all mostly a miss for me.
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I consider Man on the Moon a dramatic performance, despite the comedy, and even though I love his early comedic stuff, his dramatic stuff is better to me.
So I don't do rankings really, but I'd definitely put Man on the Moon and Truman Show above movies like Ace Venture and Dumb and Dumber, despite loving those too.
Yea hard to compare but I just judged on which ones I enjoy more, I'll watch any of those top movies on my list any day, but I'm not usually putting the Truman Show on although I thought it was a really solid movie.
Actually the only movie I didn't really like at all from that list is the Cable Guy, although it has it's moments like Medieval Times :lol
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Jim Carrey is a once-in-a-generation comedic talent and a criminally underrated dramatic actor.
Dumb & Dumber is a comedic masterpiece. In fact, I'm skeptical of people who hate it; it's sort of an unofficial friendship litmus test with me.
I LOVE classic Jim Carrey, Ace Ventura, Dumb & Dumber, and The Mask all in 1994 and maybe his three best movies (Actually I think Ace 2 is funnier but the original is a better story).
Ace Ventura 2 was better than the first. I have to go and rewatch it sometime.
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Jim Carrey (the actor and his performances, I cannot speak about him personally) is the most annoying thing to hit the silver screen in the history of the color silver.
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Jim Carrey (the actor and his performances, I cannot speak about him personally) is the most annoying thing to hit the silver screen in the history of the color silver.
If Chris Farley had never existed, I might agree with this. Carrey at least had a few good movies before his schtick became tired.
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Jim Carrey (the actor and his performances, I cannot speak about him personally) is the most annoying thing to hit the silver screen in the history of the color silver.
If Chris Farley had never existed, I might agree with this. Carrey at least had a few good movies before his schtick became tired.
:omg:
Chris Farley is a god damn national treasure.
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Chris Farley had one schtick, one that wasn't particularly funny beyond a 3 minute sketch on SNL. And even that assessment is being generous.
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Chris Farley had one schtick, one that wasn't particularly funny beyond a 3 minute sketch on SNL. And even that assessment is being generous.
I............you've broken my heart.
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Jim Carrey (the actor and his performances, I cannot speak about him personally) is the most annoying thing to hit the silver screen in the history of the color silver.
If Chris Farley had never existed, I might agree with this. Carrey at least had a few good movies before his schtick became tired.
:omg:
Chris Farley is a god damn national treasure.
This is something we can agree on. Ahd yea, he was kind of a one trick pony, but that trick was super funny and there was something about him that just made you like him IMO. His death hurt a lot as a child since his movies were my favorites at that time.
It was always a huge debate for me too between these combo comedies from the mid 90s (and still is):
Ace Ventura/Dumb and Dummer vs. Tommy Boy/Black Sheep vs. Billy Madison/Happy Gilmore
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Chris Farley had one schtick, one that wasn't particularly funny beyond a 3 minute sketch on SNL. And even that assessment is being generous.
I............you've broken my heart.
Sorry Padme. The Dark Side beckons.
I just don't find this type of comedian appealing. I do not know how to characterize this "type" other than to say it's like the annoying kid in school that knew no one liked him but wanted to be popular so bad they resorted to trying to be funny to be liked, but the humor was so forced and over the top it was never actually funny.
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That's a shame - in the documentary I Am Chris Farley they spent quite a bit of time going over his childhood and how he was kind of the life of the party and everyone around him loved him 'cause of his explosive personality. But - tastes! :biggrin:
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Chris Farley had one schtick, one that wasn't particularly funny beyond a 3 minute sketch on SNL. And even that assessment is being generous.
Indeed. Farley was the absolute worst thing about one of the best periods in SNL's history.
Chris Farley had one schtick, one that wasn't particularly funny beyond a 3 minute sketch on SNL. And even that assessment is being generous.
I............you've broken my heart.
Sorry Padme. The Dark Side beckons.
I just don't find this type of comedian appealing. I do not know how to characterize this "type" other than to say it's like the annoying kid in school that knew no one liked him but wanted to be popular so bad they resorted to trying to be funny to be liked, but the humor was so forced and over the top it was never actually funny.
:tup :tup :tup
Dumb humor can be fun when done correctly, but Farley's schtick of over-the-top be as dumb as possible in as loud and obnoxious a manner as possible was never funny. Farley was very similar to Sam Kinison, whose entire schtick was just to scream and yell, but he wasn't funny either.
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Just tastes, clearly that humor isn't for you guys while it's right up my ally. And I've also only heard positive things about Farley from a personal perspective, seems he was similar to Robin Williams sadly in terms of always feeling the need to entertain and becoming very lonely internally from it.
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Black Sheep was a dud, but Tommy Boy is a classic that has held up extremely well. Call Farley a one-trick pony, but it was one helluva trick. I was never much of a SNL fan, so I can't speak to much of what he did there, but I have seen the Matt Foley and Chippendale's skits, both of which are a riot.
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Chris Farley had one schtick, one that wasn't particularly funny beyond a 3 minute sketch on SNL. And even that assessment is being generous.
I agree.
Black Sheep was a dud, but Tommy Boy is a classic that has held up extremely well. .
I saw Tommy Boy once, and I couldn't tell you the first thing about it, so it likely sucked too.
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Never was fan of anything Farley did. Sure I saw a few of his movies and on SNL but just didn't like him.
Same with Sandler.
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Starting with Zook's post on page one, I replaced every mention of the word "best" with "my favorite". Unless someone has seen every sitcom in the history of TV, they are unqualified to assess what is "best". Similarly, if you haven't watched every episode of a TV show, you have no grounds to say that a show sucks. That's like saying SFAM is a terrible album because Regression is boring.
Though, seeing as how this is the "opinion" thread, it's all good.
Controversial opinion of my own... Denny Crane is the greatest TV character ever. Change my mind.
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Dumb humor can be fun when done correctly, but Farley's schtick of over-the-top be as dumb as possible in as loud and obnoxious a manner as possible was never funny. Farley was very similar to Sam Kinison, whose entire schtick was just to scream and yell, but he wasn't funny either.
See, though, it was that loudness and outrageousness that made Farley’s brand of humor work for what it was for me. Take that away, and you get Will Ferrell, whose same single schtick of clueless stupidity is as funny as a litter of kittens with pancreatic cancer and Ebola. Others find him funny, I just don’t see it in him. Again, different tastes.
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Controversial opinion of my own... Denny Crane is the greatest TV character ever. Change my mind.
In order for me to change your mind, you'll have to tell me who the hell that is first. :lol
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I had to look up Denny Crane myself but I rarely watch TV and haven't for years.
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Tim. Punch yourself in the nuts for not knowing.
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Similarly, if you haven't watched every episode of a TV show, you have no grounds to say that a show sucks. That's like saying SFAM is a terrible album because Regression is boring.
While I agree with much of what you said, I'm not sure I do with this. I think if someone has seen at least a sizable portion of a given TV show (more so if it's still currently airing), then they probably have a decent grasp on what it is they do and don't like about it and have good grounds to decide whether or not it's for them.
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Similarly, if you haven't watched every episode of a TV show, you have no grounds to say that a show sucks. That's like saying SFAM is a terrible album because Regression is boring.
While I agree with much of what you said, I'm not sure I do with this. I think if someone has seen at least a sizable portion of a given TV show (more so if it's still currently airing), then they probably have a decent grasp on what it is they do and don't like about it and have good grounds to decide whether or not it's for them.
Thats like giving up on Cheers or Seinfeld or Star Trek TNG after Season 1.
@ Tim. As a Bostonian, you should go to the penalty box and feel shame.
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I only got through 3 episodes of Barry and that was enough to inform me the show indeed sucks
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I only got through 3 episodes of Barry and that was enough to inform me the show indeed sucks
And that's totally fine. I've got countless shows I could say the same for. But people then can't make the proclamation that the entire show sucks. What you saw sucks (not picking on you specifically here MJ).
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I only got through 3 episodes of Barry and that was enough to inform me the show indeed sucks
And that's totally fine. I've got countless shows I could say the same for. But people then can't make the proclamation that the entire show sucks. What you saw sucks (not picking on you specifically here MJ).
Nah, I get what you're saying. I often just say something sucks as shorthand for "I didn't like it/what I saw of it" or "I have seen enough to know that unless this changes this isn't for me." I may not know what happens later on but I've usually got the gist of the show before I call it a day (although leaving stuff unfinished normally bothers me, so I have to really dislike it to tap out).
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Tim. Punch yourself in the nuts for not knowing.
I had to also look up who that was.
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Tim. Punch yourself in the nuts for not knowing.
I had to also look up who that was.
Nice, so I can punch you in the nuts too! :lol
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Controversial opinion of my own... Denny Crane is the greatest TV character ever. Change my mind.
In order for me to change your mind, you'll have to tell me who the hell that is first. :lol
Tim. Punch yourself in the nuts for not knowing.
@ Tim. As a Bostonian, you should go to the penalty box and feel shame.
So I did google Denny Crane..
Boston fucking Legal?? Really? Who fucking watched that? I mean, that was on even when I did watch TV and I would never go near such suckage. WTF? Denny Crane..
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Tim, I didn't watch it but I knew it and it was up there for shows rating.
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I remember the show. Never watched it.
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I remember the show. Never watched it.
And yet you know it sucks? You're incorrigible sometimes. Go Google that.
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I remember the show. Never watched it.
And yet you know it sucks? You're incorrigible sometimes. Go Google that.
:lol
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Here's one: Idris Elba isn't that great an actor. I mean, he isn't bad by any stretch. I have nothing against him whatsoever. But I'm not sure why he seems to be so fawned over. I haven't seen him in anything where I stopped and said to myself "wow! That is a brilliant bit of acting!"
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Here's one: Idris Elba isn't that great an actor. I mean, he isn't bad by any stretch. I have nothing against him whatsoever. But I'm not sure why he seems to be so fawned over. I haven't seen him in anything where I stopped and said to myself "wow! That is a brilliant bit of acting!"
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As far as I can tell, other than a handful of superhero movies and a couple cartoon voice roles, I've never seen anything he's done.
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Must. Watch. Luther.
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And The Wire.
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Must. Watch. Luther.
Strongly advised, yes! but every starter has to know that Season 1 is the weakest. So if you like the characters but not the episodes themselves, hold on, it only gets better and better.
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Here's one: Idris Elba isn't that great an actor. I mean, he isn't bad by any stretch. I have nothing against him whatsoever. But I'm not sure why he seems to be so fawned over. I haven't seen him in anything where I stopped and said to myself "wow! That is a brilliant bit of acting!"
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I agree. I think he's incredibly handsome which lends to his popularity, but I haven't seen any films where his acting has blown me away like other actors have. I will say he was one of the best parts of that god awful Dark Tower film adaptation. In that case he took a garbage script and did his best with it.
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Not sure if this is a controversial opinion about movies, or music... but Let It Go is the best song from any Disney movie ever.
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Not sure if this is a controversial opinion about movies, or music... but Let It Go is the best song from any Disney movie ever.
Well, if Nightwish had wrote it, it would have been a smash it in the veins of Nemo or Dark Chest of Wonders.
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bosk, have you seen The Wire or Luther? He's great in both. Unfortunately he seems to get (or choose?) roles that aren't that great, in movies at least.
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Not sure if this is a controversial opinion about movies, or music... but Let It Go is the best song from any Disney movie ever.
That is a good one. I wasn't a huge fan of Frozen in general though. I think I'd put A Whole New World at the top of the list. Circle of Life is up there too.
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My 2 year old has been going around singing (as best she can) Let It Go because they have been listening to it at day care. My older kid and I decided we might as well play the CD for her, which we own. I was surprising moved when it played, I hadn't heard it in years. Not often you get the theme of "Fuck all y'all" in a Disney song.
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Not often you get the theme of "Fuck all y'all" in a Disney song.
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Conspiracy theory level opinion: the "golden age of TV" is a way to make otherwise intelligent people too interested in their TV screens.
Okay, that's probably not true, but it's still what goes through my head when I hear endless TV show talk from my friends. Really, is the new HBO drama THAT riveting? I will watch an adaptation of a book series I like, or I'll re-watch something that's relaxing and funny to me, like Gilmore Girls. Keeping up with TV shows, seasons-worth of content at a time, starting new ones timely to avoid spoilers, it all sounds so stressful, and with TV shows tackling such big themes and featuring so much violence and disturbing content, it seems like it would stress me out if it were my hobby. Don't have Netflix, can't make me get it. HBO is also gone forever unless the Long Night GoT prequel is good and answers some of my questions.
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bosk, have you seen The Wire or Luther? He's great in both. Unfortunately he seems to get (or choose?) roles that aren't that great, in movies at least.
No, I haven't. But I'll take your word for it that he's great in those. I just haven't been overly wowed by anything I have seen him in. Again, not saying he's been bad, or even average. He's been pretty solid. Just not great.
I agree on Let It Go. Solid song.
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The best Disney song is Randy Newman's "You Got A Friend In Me" :)
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Yeah, that one is up there too. Honestly, Disney has been knocking it out of the park in the music department since forever.
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Must. Watch. Luther.
Strongly advised, yes! but every starter has to know that Season 1 is the weakest. So if you like the characters but not the episodes themselves, hold on, it only gets better and better.
Never ever seen this opinion anywhere, most consider series 1 the best.
But this is the controversial thread, so maybe your opinion is correct in that context!
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bosk, have you seen The Wire or Luther? He's great in both. Unfortunately he seems to get (or choose?) roles that aren't that great, in movies at least.
No, I haven't. But I'll take your word for it that he's great in those. I just haven't been overly wowed by anything I have seen him in. Again, not saying he's been bad, or even average. He's been pretty solid. Just not great.
IMO, Elba is SO good in The Wire and Luther that I would argue that if you haven't seen them, you haven't seen HIM yet.
Controversial opnion? Terriers was ahead of its time and never should have been canceled.
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Boston fucking Legal?? Really? Who fucking watched that? I mean, that was on even when I did watch TV and I would never go near such suckage. WTF? Denny Crane..
Boston Legal was a fantastic show. James Spader at his Spaderist and Shatner dialing it up to 11 as Denny Crane. Add Rene Auberjonois and Candice Bergen (and Betty White!) in recurring roles and it was awesome.
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Boston fucking Legal?? Really? Who fucking watched that? I mean, that was on even when I did watch TV and I would never go near such suckage. WTF? Denny Crane..
Boston Legal was a fantastic show. James Spader at his Spaderist and Shatner dialing it up to 11 as Denny Crane. Add Rene Auberjonois and Candice Bergen (and Betty White!) in recurring roles and it was awesome.
^This. Betty White murdered her timid-serial-killer-boyfriend with a freaking frying pan, for crying out loud. It doesn't get better than that! :lol
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Controversial opinion of my own... Denny Crane is the greatest TV character ever. Change my mind.
So... I came in at the mocking of Tim, which isn't all that unusual (that didn't come out right), so I thought I'd scroll back. Okay, making fun of Tim for not knowing something pop culture. Still not that unusual (still not coming out right). But then I scroll back to this horse hockey.
Chad, did someone tamper with your beer?
In a genre that has Leroy Jethro Gibbs (my personal favorite), "Sudden" Sam Malone, Major Frank Burns, Archie Bunker, Raymond "Red" Reddington, Don Draper, George Costanza, Arthur "Fonzie" Fonzarelli, Tony Soprano, Tyrion Lanister, Walter White, Jack Bauer, Thomas Magnum, you're going with Denny Crane?
He's not even the best LAWYER character. Not with Jack McCoy, Saul Goodman, Barry Zuckerkorn, and Richard Fish on the docket (so to speak). :)
He's not even the best SHATNER character, though that's not saying much (not a Shatner fan, sorry, though James Tiberius Kirk was the man.)
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Controversial opinion of my own... Denny Crane is the greatest TV character ever. Change my mind.
So... I came in at the mocking of Tim, which isn't all that unusual (that didn't come out right), so I thought I'd scroll back. Okay, making fun of Tim for not knowing something pop culture. Still not that unusual (still not coming out right). But then I scroll back to this horse hockey.
Chad, did someone tamper with your beer?
In a genre that has Leroy Jethro Gibbs (my personal favorite), "Sudden" Sam Malone, Major Frank Burns, Archie Bunker, Raymond "Red" Reddington, Don Draper, George Costanza, Arthur "Fonzie" Fonzarelli, Tony Soprano, Tyrion Lanister, Walter White, Jack Bauer, Thomas Magnum, you're going with Denny Crane?
He's not even the best LAWYER character. Not with Jack McCoy, Saul Goodman, Barry Zuckerkorn, and Richard Fish on the docket (so to speak). :)
He's not even the best SHATNER character, though that's not saying much (not a Shatner fan, sorry, though James Tiberius Kirk was the man.)
Bolded everyone that I don't know! :lol
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You've never seen M*A*S*H?
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You don't know who Walter White is? Why am I not surprised. Good grief, Charlie Brown. :rollin
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You've never seen M*A*S*H?
I never watched MASH. I may have seen an episode or two when I was younger at my grandparents house. Even in reruns, I just never found it funny. I know Jamie Farr played a crazy guy or something like that.
You don't know who Walter White is? Why am I not surprised. Good grief, Charlie Brown. :rollin
Hey, I know who Charlie Brown is!
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Controversial opinion of my own... Denny Crane is the greatest TV character ever. Change my mind.
So... I came in at the mocking of Tim, which isn't all that unusual (that didn't come out right), so I thought I'd scroll back. Okay, making fun of Tim for not knowing something pop culture. Still not that unusual (still not coming out right). But then I scroll back to this horse hockey.
Chad, did someone tamper with your beer?
In a genre that has Leroy Jethro Gibbs (my personal favorite), "Sudden" Sam Malone, Major Frank Burns, Archie Bunker, Raymond "Red" Reddington, Don Draper, George Costanza, Arthur "Fonzie" Fonzarelli, Tony Soprano, Tyrion Lanister, Walter White, Jack Bauer, Thomas Magnum, you're going with Denny Crane?
He's not even the best LAWYER character. Not with Jack McCoy, Saul Goodman, Barry Zuckerkorn, and Richard Fish on the docket (so to speak). :)
He's not even the best SHATNER character, though that's not saying much (not a Shatner fan, sorry, though James Tiberius Kirk was the man.)
I don't know who 2 of the 4 lawyers mentioned are (and I really had to stretch to remember Richard Fish), but are you seriously suggesting that Frank Burns is in the conversation as greatest TV character ever??! He isn't even in the top 2 of regular characters on MASH who held the rank of major.
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By the way, it's not "Sudden" Sam Malone, it's Sam "Mayday" Malone.
Psht.
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In a genre that has Leroy Jethro Gibbs (my personal favorite), "Sudden" Sam Malone, Major Frank Burns, Archie Bunker, Raymond "Red" Reddington, Don Draper, George Costanza, Arthur "Fonzie" Fonzarelli, Tony Soprano, Tyrion Lanister, Walter White, Jack Bauer, Thomas Magnum, you're going with Denny Crane?
Exactly what "genre" is this? I am stunned I knew all but one of these characters, (Reddington) despite never watching most of the shows they are in.
If I ever left my wife for a man, it would be Jethro Gibbs.
He's not even the best LAWYER character. Not with Jack McCoy, Saul Goodman, Barry Zuckerkorn, and Richard Fish on the docket (so to speak)
No idea who all these guys are. I thought Fish was a cop?
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Ok this has to do with me being a James Bond fan: I never liked Pierce Brosnan's portrayal of the character (too much shooting and too predictable jokes) and so I would have preferred Timothy Dalton for more than the two films he was a part of.
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Ok this has to do with me being a James Bond fan: I never liked Pierce Brosnan's portrayal of the character (too much shooting and too predictable jokes) and so I would have preferred Timothy Dalton for more than the two films he was a part of.
The amount of shooting and the predictability of the jokes come from the script, not the actor. So, having Timothy Dalton in them wouldn't have affected the things you don't like about those movies.
Personally, I think Brosnan was perfectly cast, but the writing on his movies wasn't always the best.
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Ok this has to do with me being a James Bond fan: I never liked Pierce Brosnan's portrayal of the character (too much shooting and too predictable jokes) and so I would have preferred Timothy Dalton for more than the two films he was a part of.
The amount of shooting and the predictability of the jokes come from the script, not the actor. So, having Timothy Dalton in them wouldn't have affected the things you don't like about those movies.
Personally, I think Brosnan was perfectly cast, but the writing on his movies wasn't always the best.
I'm sure that's right, didn't have that in mind initally and if you liked Pierce, great. I'm more of a Roger Moore person myself (he was the first Bond I've watched, The Spy Who Loved Me actually)
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Well, since this is the "controversial opinions" thread...I've never really liked the Bond films. At all. Ever.
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Hudson Hawk is the second best Bruce Willis film.
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Hudson Hawk is the second best Bruce Willis film.
:metal I friggin' LOVE Hudson Hawk :tup I'm bummed they never did a sequel. That was a fun character.
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Well, since this is the "controversial opinions" thread...I've never really liked the Bond films. At all. Ever.
More controversial: I don't think Sean Connery is a good Bond. Then again, I grew up with Brosnan as my first Bond, I got GoldenEye for the Nintendo 64 as a kid and for the longest time he was my favorite in the films.
There are some good Bond films even for people who say they don't like Bond. If you haven't seen Casino Royale or Skyfall with Daniel Craig I highly recommend those. GoldenEye is also a classic, but it's got a much different vibe. If you don't like any of those though, hard to say anything else will do it for you unless you're into the really old style of Bond films.
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I don't hate the Bond films I've seen. I just find them uninteresting. But I can't tell you which ones I've seen, since it has been a long time since I've seen any. But I got a pretty good sampling of all of the eras up through the '90s and possibly early '00s. That said, I know I haven't seen the Daniel Craig films. I'll try to remember to check them out eventually.
Related to that, one of my ultimate favorite Arnie films is True Lies, not only because it is a very good film in its own right, but also because it so effortlessly and effectively poked fun at the super-spy genre of films up to that point. I really loved how Last Action Hero did the same with action films in general. And part of the delicious irony of both of those films is that Arnold was instrumental in creating the '80s stereotypical action hero, so it was amazing to see him starring in both True Lies and Last Action Hero.
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That said, I know I haven't seen the Daniel Craig films.
They're the only ones I've seen. Figured that if I wanted to start somewhere, I might as well check the current incarnation, I don't mind old movies and I'm old enough to have been a kid in the times when those movies were current (some of them at least), but I stayed with the Craig incarnation and I enjoyed them a lot.
Casino Royale felt like a good introduction to the world of Bond. Quantum of Solace's story was a bit meh. Skyfall and Spectre were both great.
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I would totally check out Skyfall then... that one actually goes into Bond's past for once, and shows more of the character being in a really dark and dangerous place. It goes a bit deeper. At least, it's my personal favorite, mostly because of the stuff that isn't typical Bond stuff.
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I was editing to add to my post while you added yours.
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My favorite classic Bond movie is On Her Majestys Secret Service. George Lazenby did an ok job considering this was I think the first acting job he ever had. I also think he nailed the final scene in the movie.
Bringing back Sean Connery for Diamonds Are Forever and not even referencing this movie again until The Spy Who Loved Me was a huge wasted opportunity.
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Controversial opinion of my own... Denny Crane is the greatest TV character ever. Change my mind.
So... I came in at the mocking of Tim, which isn't all that unusual (that didn't come out right), so I thought I'd scroll back. Okay, making fun of Tim for not knowing something pop culture. Still not that unusual (still not coming out right). But then I scroll back to this horse hockey.
Chad, did someone tamper with your beer?
In a genre that has Leroy Jethro Gibbs (my personal favorite), "Sudden" Sam Malone, Major Frank Burns, Archie Bunker, Raymond "Red" Reddington, Don Draper, George Costanza, Arthur "Fonzie" Fonzarelli, Tony Soprano, Tyrion Lanister, Walter White, Jack Bauer, Thomas Magnum, you're going with Denny Crane?
He's not even the best LAWYER character. Not with Jack McCoy, Saul Goodman, Barry Zuckerkorn, and Richard Fish on the docket (so to speak). :)
He's not even the best SHATNER character, though that's not saying much (not a Shatner fan, sorry, though James Tiberius Kirk was the man.)
It's ok, Bill. We all have our own special little fails. Though, pulling out the Spader / Reddington card was a good effort. :biggrin:
Seriously though... Ally McBeal?? Dude, you lose your testicles recently? :lol I guess we all need to caveat our comments like this to shows we have actually watched. I can't comment on many of them for not having watched their shows (24, GoT, NCIS, Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, Arrested Development and a few others up there).
But for the ones you did mention that I have seen, hand down yes... Denny Crane > any of them.
Hudson Hawk is the second best Bruce Willis film.
Behind The Last Boyscout!? Bold statement. ;)
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I saw a couple of Bond movies when I was younger, but honestly, isn't it the same story repackaged every time?
I prefer Get Smart.
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I saw a couple of Bond movies when I was younger, but honestly, isn't it the same story repackaged every time?
If you aren't paying attention, it might seem that way. There are lots of shared elements, yet there's also continuity and overarching stories to them.
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I saw a couple of Bond movies when I was younger, but honestly, isn't it the same story repackaged every time?
No.
I prefer Get Smart.
Dear God
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I saw a couple of Bond movies when I was younger, but honestly, isn't it the same story repackaged every time?
No.
I prefer Get Smart.
Dear God
I'd like to ask where Inspector Gadget fits, but I'm afraid for the obvious answer "Who's Inspector Gadget?".
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:lol
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I'm waiting for who's Homer Simpson?
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Regarding Bond, a couple thoughts. Disclaimer, my first Bond was Moore, though I cannot recall which one of his it was, but I saw a few before I saw a Connery Bond, which my mom (a huge Connery and Moore Bond fan) said I just HAD to see.
I think Connery became a much better actor as he got older. He never really captivated me in a performance till The Untouchables. He was stellar in The Last Crusade.
Connery's Bond films seem to spend a lot of time with Bond kinda stumbles around, gets captured, escapes through some combination of luck and bad guy ineptitude, sleeps with someone, and then beats the antagonist who had a ridiculous scheme that shouldn't ever work in the first place. There just isn't a lot of espionage and spying going on. That isn't to say they aren't fun movies though, because they are.
Moore's films keep the basic formula but give the franchise a much-needed kick of adrenaline and drama.
I cannot comment on the Dalton films, I don't know them well enough.
Brosnan was great as Bond and Goldeneye was the perfect film to bring the franchise to a new generation. Then his films got a little silly. They were still fun, and he delivered all the silly lines and wore the tux well.
I wasn't there in real time, but I cannot believe the first couple Bonds were viewed as solid enough to build a half-century spanning, 25 film franchise upon.
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I know who Inspector Gadget is. I've never actually watched him but I know who that is. Don Adams did the voice, right?
But seriously.
Every Bond Movie Plot:
International threat
Bond gets the call
Is shown some new gadget
Exotic location
Bangs a hot chick
Action scene
Gets the bad guy
Yawn...
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I wasn't there in real time, but I cannot believe the first couple Bonds were viewed as solid enough to build a half-century spanning, 25 film franchise upon.
I wasn't there either, but I assume back in the day things were more laid back; sure, everyone must have still watched the money and cared for it, but the corporate mentality of "We invest 1 billion of dollars in this project and if it doesn't 2 billion of dollars we'll scrap it and make a reboot in 5 years time" wasn't there yet.
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I know who Inspector Gadget is. I've never actually watched him but I know who that is. Don Adams did the voice, right?
But seriously.
Every Bond Movie Plot:
International threat
Bond gets the call
Is shown some new gadget
Exotic location
Bangs a hot chick
Action scene
Gets the bad guy
Yawn...
Every metal song is the same. Riff, verse, bridge, verse, bridge, chorus, solos, chorus. YAWN!
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I know who Inspector Gadget is. I've never actually watched him but I know who that is. Don Adams did the voice, right?
But seriously.
Every Bond Movie Plot:
International threat
Bond gets the call
Is shown some new gadget
Exotic location
Bangs a hot chick
Action scene
Gets the bad guy
Yawn...
Every metal song is the same. Riff, verse, bridge, verse, bridge, chorus, solos, chorus. YAWN!
For sure. I mean, anything (book, song, TV show, film) from any genre (metal, romcom, sci-fi, superhero, Western, horror, pop, detective) can be boiled down that way, if you'd like.
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- The Simpsons keeps getting better and better.
- In the X-Files Monica Reyes was a much better character than Dana Scully.
- The Point Break remake was much better than the original.
- George Clooney was the best Bruce Wayne/Batman.
- Crystal Skull is every bit as good as the original trilogy.
- NCIS is much better than The Wire.
'I Jest'
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Halloween 3 is one of the best movies in that series.
The nightmare on elm street remake was pretty decent
Friends is a mediocre show at best
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Halloween 3 is one of the best movies in that series.
The nightmare on elm street remake was pretty decent
Friends is a mediocre show at best
Agree with all of these. Also Nightmare on Elm Street II is underrated. It’s one of the best in the series, although it seems to be gaining a cult following.
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Friends is a mediocre show at best
As someone who is pretty much exactly the same age as the characters on the show, it's one of my favorite shows of all time. It's a near perfect combination of the real and the absurd, but I can see why it might not appeal to someone who was barely born when it premiered (although my 15 year old daughter has seen every episode and loved it too).
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I wouldn't call Friends mediocre, but I never really liked it. It had its moments but it just never was for me, but that doesn't make it mediocre to me.
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I always thought it was a great example of how NOT to live one's life.
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Friends was OK for 3 or 4 seasons. Then it wasn't.
Also, too many characters that I just didn't like (Ross, Rachel, and Monica). Chandler joined that group once he started seeing Monica.
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In retrospect, most of the characters in Friends were kind of terrible people in many respects. Why we rooted for Ross and Rachel to get together in the end is a mystery to me now. They were kind of terrible together and to each other.
That said, still like the show and we watch reruns every now and then.
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I used to love Friends when i was younger and think it was the holy grail of sitcoms but I think especially after having seen Seinfeld, my opinion of Friends definitely got lower. If you can accept that the show doesn't really offer much depth and that the funny jokes have been done before (and better) and that the characters are basically cartoon characters I still think it's OK entertainment. Seinfeld will never be topped for me but Friends sits comfortably in the B-tier of "very OK" sitcoms and i'd still take it over more modern mediocrities like How i Met your Mother.
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Seinfeld and Fresh Prince were much more up my ally for sitcoms back in the day. Friends just never appealed to me for whatever reason.
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I also couldn’t stand Ross and Rachel. Not a huge Monica fan but I did like her and chandeller
But yea this show was good cause of Phoebe and Joey.
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I think Friends also suffered a bit from flanderization where in the first few seasons the characters had their quirks but felt somewhat like real people but as the show went on the characters became more and more defined by that one quirk. With that said on my last rewatch I think I preferred the last 5 seasons over the first 5 because it felt less realistic and that somehow made it more entertaining to me. The first few seasons felt like a more legit attempt at serious elements sprinkled in but in the later seasons the different situations they end up in were like saturday morning cartoon show. :p
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I always find it best to not nit pick comedic sitcoms too much. Friends is a comedy, and still makes me laugh when I catch the re-runs, so it continues to do its job, although some of the later seasons are pretty spotty. Heck, Seinfeld is still the funniest show ever, IMO, all four main characters would be fairly unlikable if you knew people like them in real life.
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I always find it best to not nit pick comedic sitcoms too much. Friends is a comedy, and still makes me laugh when I catch the re-runs, so it continues to do its job, although some of the later seasons are pretty spotty. Heck, Seinfeld is still the funniest show ever, IMO, all four main characters would be fairly unlikable if you knew people like them in real life.
Couldn't agree more re Friends.
I never thought Seinfeld was terribly funny, but the last part is absolutely correct. There are lots of characters I like in terms of watching them on TV but wouldn't in a million years associate with them if they were real.
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I never thought Seinfeld was terribly funny, but the last part is absolutely correct. There are lots of characters I like in terms of watching them on TV but wouldn't in a million years associate with them if they were real.
Dwight K. Schrute.
Awesome TV character and hilarious, but if you knew him in real life, you'd want to punch him in the face repeatedly. :lol :lol
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I never thought Seinfeld was terribly funny, but the last part is absolutely correct. There are lots of characters I like in terms of watching them on TV but wouldn't in a million years associate with them if they were real.
Dwight K. Schrute.
Awesome TV character and hilarious, but if you knew him in real life, you'd want to punch him in the face repeatedly. :lol :lol
I had to look up who that was. The Office is a show that continues to elude me. I've seen a handful of episodes on planes, and I'm generally of the opinion that any show or movie on a plane is at least 1.5x better than if saw it anywhere else, but I always find myself wondering where the funny is. The only episode I can specifically recall is one where two people went on a sales call. I'm guessing it was one of the earlier seasons because the person whose car it was had a GPS unit, and that was something of a novelty. Eventually, the GPS told them to drive into a river, and the two characters engaged in a debate over whether they should or should not drive into the river (with one character saying something like, "maybe it knows something we don't!"). The setup was ok for a minor chuckle, but they pushed it way beyond the point where it was funny.
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Well, since this is the "controversial opinions" thread...I've never really liked the Bond films. At all. Ever.
Same here. I only watched GoldenEye and The World is Not Enough because I played the games.
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I think Friends also suffered a bit from flanderization where in the first few seasons the characters had their quirks but felt somewhat like real people but as the show went on the characters became more and more defined by that one quirk. With that said on my last rewatch I think I preferred the last 5 seasons over the first 5 because it felt less realistic and that somehow made it more entertaining to me. The first few seasons felt like a more legit attempt at serious elements sprinkled in but in the later seasons the different situations they end up in were like saturday morning cartoon show. :p
I do like how the writers covered up Lisa Kudrow being pregnant, although a bit odd.
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Johnny Carson is one of the most over rated celebrities ever. Not all that talented and just benefited from lack of opportunity for other funnier, more talented people.
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Johnny Carson is one of the most over rated celebrities ever. Not all that talented and just benefited from lack of opportunity for other funnier, more talented people.
Jay Leno was the funniest of all the tonight show hosts to this day. Fallon is multi-talented and funny, but Leno made me laugh harder..
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There are very few people who did what Carson did for that long a period, at that level of quality, with that level of style, and that level of success.
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I thought Letterman was the best of them all. Though admittedly my exposure to Carson has been limited since he was really before my time.
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There are very few people who did what Carson did for that long a period, at that level of quality, with that level of style, and that level of success.
There was ‘some’ talent there....sure. But there were like three networks for the majority of his career and he had near zero ‘competition’.
He wasn’t getting fired because this lore of ‘Johnny Carson’ and the tonight show had been crafted. He was one of the ‘good ol boyz’ of Hollywood that had his position due to ‘who’ he was as much or even more than how talented he actually was
I’m not saying he was wretched and no good. I’m just saying he’s severely over rated and very fortunate.
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For the time and era and culture of his tenure, he was the bomb. Trying to compare him (or anything) to todays standards will always result in disappointment.
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There was ‘some’ talent there....sure. But there were like three networks for the majority of his career and he had near zero ‘competition’.
He wasn’t getting fired because this lore of ‘Johnny Carson’ and the tonight show had been crafted. He was one of the ‘good ol boyz’ of Hollywood that had his position due to ‘who’ he was as much or even more than how talented he actually was
I’m not saying he was wretched and no good. I’m just saying he’s severely over rated and very fortunate.
Don't totally disagree with you (except for the severely overrated part). But to echo what I said in the Ringo Starr thread, luck may have had a hand in his success, but he still had to go out there every night for 3 decades and deliver.
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Art Fern and Carnac = WIN.
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David Tennant was my least favorite Doctor and his send off special The End of Time I think is one of the worst episodes of the series new and old. Funny thing is I love David Tennant as an actor and He does have some fantastic episodes like Midnight. I just really dislike a lot of what RTD did with the character. It's also why the Simm Master is my least favorite Master
Also I rank Colin Baker above Tom Baker, Just barely but I do. Colins work with Big Finish is just amazing.
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There are very few people who did what Carson did for that long a period, at that level of quality, with that level of style, and that level of success.
There was ‘some’ talent there....sure. But there were like three networks for the majority of his career and he had near zero ‘competition’.
He wasn’t getting fired because this lore of ‘Johnny Carson’ and the tonight show had been crafted. He was one of the ‘good ol boyz’ of Hollywood that had his position due to ‘who’ he was as much or even more than how talented he actually was
I’m not saying he was wretched and no good. I’m just saying he’s severely over rated and very fortunate.
He's not overrated in the slightest. He is the Gold Standard of talk show hosts and no one has even come close to him. Letterman was very good, but compared to the clowns now like Fallon and Kimmel, you can't even compare.
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Gary, you make me sad. :(:( I am with TAC (always painful words to type :lol)...Johnny Carson was awesome. When it comes to late night TV, for me Carson and Letterman are 1a and 1b, and with the exception of Conan, who I might put as a distant 3rd, none of the current crop comes close to touching either. Leno was funny, but was a back-stabbing scumbag, so he gets docked points for that.
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That was painful to read! :lol :lol
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David Tennant was my least favorite Doctor and his send off special The End of Time I think is one of the worst episodes of the series new and old. Funny thing is I love David Tennant as an actor and He does have some fantastic episodes like Midnight. I just really dislike a lot of what RTD did with the character. It's also why the Simm Master is my least favorite Master
Also I rank Colin Baker above Tom Baker, Just barely but I do. Colins work with Big Finish is just amazing.
I literally did not recognize anything in this post.
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I always find it best to not nit pick comedic sitcoms too much. Friends is a comedy, and still makes me laugh when I catch the re-runs, so it continues to do its job, although some of the later seasons are pretty spotty.
Yeah, same. It's possible to pick it apart to an absurd degree, but I still find it kinda funny. Of course, I was about 12 when the last season was running and then they cycled through the reruns several times, so I pretty much grew up on Friends.
Why we rooted for Ross and Rachel to get together in the end is a mystery to me now.
Because they were the only ones who had something resembling a multi-season story arc with actual stakes involved. The other characters really didn't do much that would require us to remember things from the previous seasons.
i'd still take it over more modern mediocrities like How i Met your Mother.
I was just reminiscing about that. HIMYM was just... too much. Most of the actors really went above and beyond to sell the inherent hamminess (is this a word) of the show, but at some points you just want to see something funny, and instead they give you three new Barney-coined words with their dictionary definitions, seven perspective changes and five yellow umbrella teases when you know damn well this season is still not the one where Ted even gets to see the mother.
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Gary, you make me sad. :(:( I am with TAC (always painful words to type :lol)...Johnny Carson was awesome. When it comes to late night TV, for me Carson and Letterman are 1a and 1b, and with the exception of Conan, who I might put as a distant 3rd, none of the current crop comes close to touching either. Leno was funny, but was a back-stabbing scumbag, so he gets docked points for that.
Alright....alright. I get what Chad, you and Tim are saying. Sure, You don't make it that long without some sort of talent. I personally just don't think he was 'that' talented. He was in the right place at the right time IN the right time in history. Near zero competition.....Hollywood was an old white boys club.....and what media that was around heavily pimped him and crafted the lore that we know today.
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Gary, you make me sad. :(:( I am with TAC (always painful words to type :lol)...Johnny Carson was awesome. When it comes to late night TV, for me Carson and Letterman are 1a and 1b, and with the exception of Conan, who I might put as a distant 3rd, none of the current crop comes close to touching either. Leno was funny, but was a back-stabbing scumbag, so he gets docked points for that.
Alright....alright. I get what Chad, you and Tim are saying. Sure, You don't make it that long without some sort of talent. I personally just don't think he was 'that' talented. He was in the right place at the right time IN the right time in history. Near zero competition.....Hollywood was an old white boys club.....and what media that was around heavily pimped him and crafted the lore that we know today.
But can't the same sentiment be had of damn near anything? Athletes, actors, politicians, musicians... any form of greatness. Will anyone truly appreciate the greatness Gretzky/Orr/Lemieux that didn't experience it live? Would the Beatles be as iconic/legendary as they were if they came to America in the 2010s, instead of the 1960s?
(or insert any legendary names in any given discipline).
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Gary, you make me sad. :(:( I am with TAC (always painful words to type :lol)...Johnny Carson was awesome. When it comes to late night TV, for me Carson and Letterman are 1a and 1b, and with the exception of Conan, who I might put as a distant 3rd, none of the current crop comes close to touching either. Leno was funny, but was a back-stabbing scumbag, so he gets docked points for that.
Alright....alright. I get what Chad, you and Tim are saying. Sure, You don't make it that long without some sort of talent. I personally just don't think he was 'that' talented. He was in the right place at the right time IN the right time in history. Near zero competition.....Hollywood was an old white boys club.....and what media that was around heavily pimped him and crafted the lore that we know today.
But can't the same sentiment be had of damn near anything? Athletes, actors, politicians, musicians... any form of greatness. Will anyone truly appreciate the greatness Gretzky/Orr/Lemieux that didn't experience it live? Would the Beatles be as iconic/legendary as they were if they came to America in the 2010s, instead of the 1960s?
(or insert any legendary names in any given discipline).
Yeah...I see your point. I really do. That's just my 'controversial opinion'
I don't know the exact reason why Carson's popularity and lore rubs me the wrong way, but it does.
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Carson was the best ever at what he did. Not everyone can do what he did.
The fact that he made it look so easy holds a clue as to how good he was at it.
My favorite late night person was Letterman. And he will tell you that the best to ever do it was Carson.
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I think Friends also suffered a bit from flanderization where in the first few seasons the characters had their quirks but felt somewhat like real people but as the show went on the characters became more and more defined by that one quirk. With that said on my last rewatch I think I preferred the last 5 seasons over the first 5 because it felt less realistic and that somehow made it more entertaining to me. The first few seasons felt like a more legit attempt at serious elements sprinkled in but in the later seasons the different situations they end up in were like saturday morning cartoon show. :p
I do like how the writers covered up Lisa Kudrow being pregnant, although a bit odd.
They "covered up" her being pregnant by having her character get pregnant. What's odd about that?
David Tennant was my least favorite Doctor and his send off special The End of Time I think is one of the worst episodes of the series new and old. Funny thing is I love David Tennant as an actor and He does have some fantastic episodes like Midnight. I just really dislike a lot of what RTD did with the character. It's also why the Simm Master is my least favorite Master
Also I rank Colin Baker above Tom Baker, Just barely but I do. Colins work with Big Finish is just amazing.
My least favorite doctor was the one I had as a kid. Mean old coot. Least favorite master was the one from In the Presence of Enemies. Seriously, huh?
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I think Friends also suffered a bit from flanderization where in the first few seasons the characters had their quirks but felt somewhat like real people but as the show went on the characters became more and more defined by that one quirk. With that said on my last rewatch I think I preferred the last 5 seasons over the first 5 because it felt less realistic and that somehow made it more entertaining to me. The first few seasons felt like a more legit attempt at serious elements sprinkled in but in the later seasons the different situations they end up in were like saturday morning cartoon show. :p
I hate when it goes the other way; a character has very distinct, sharp characteristics, and over time they get rubbed down and in typical sitcom fashion, everyone ends as caring, good people. Sheldon Cooper is the best example of this, but there are countless examples. Archie Bunker, Hawkeye Pierce (and Klinger), Sam Malone, Fonzie...
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Gary, you make me sad. :(:( I am with TAC (always painful words to type :lol)...Johnny Carson was awesome. When it comes to late night TV, for me Carson and Letterman are 1a and 1b, and with the exception of Conan, who I might put as a distant 3rd, none of the current crop comes close to touching either. Leno was funny, but was a back-stabbing scumbag, so he gets docked points for that.
Alright....alright. I get what Chad, you and Tim are saying. Sure, You don't make it that long without some sort of talent. I personally just don't think he was 'that' talented. He was in the right place at the right time IN the right time in history. Near zero competition.....Hollywood was an old white boys club.....and what media that was around heavily pimped him and crafted the lore that we know today.
Not to take sides here, but... taking sides, Carson was all he was advertised. If you go back and look at some of the "Best Of..." tapes, sure there was some stuff that was dated, of the time, and he had a style that isn't really like what we're used to today ("N***a, please, m*****f******, I'm like "bitch, tell me about it") But I know that I rarely watch any late night since Letterman retired. I laughed uncontrollably at Carson, frequently. I laughed uncontrollably at Letterman, occassionally. I laugh hard at Conan a fair amount of time. I chuckle at Fallon (he's too much an ass-kisser for me, though he is multi-talented), I chuckle at Kimmel (I'm not in the in-club so some of the snark is lost on me), I NEVER laugh at Colbert (I just don't get it, and that's BEFORE the obnoxious politics) and I NEVER laugh at Seth Meyers (he was tolerable on SNL, but the arrogant, snarky white guy is not really my thing, and that BEFORE the obnoxious politics too.)
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Gary, you make me sad. :(:( I am with TAC (always painful words to type :lol)...Johnny Carson was awesome. When it comes to late night TV, for me Carson and Letterman are 1a and 1b, and with the exception of Conan, who I might put as a distant 3rd, none of the current crop comes close to touching either. Leno was funny, but was a back-stabbing scumbag, so he gets docked points for that.
Alright....alright. I get what Chad, you and Tim are saying. Sure, You don't make it that long without some sort of talent. I personally just don't think he was 'that' talented. He was in the right place at the right time IN the right time in history. Near zero competition.....Hollywood was an old white boys club.....and what media that was around heavily pimped him and crafted the lore that we know today.
But can't the same sentiment be had of damn near anything? Athletes, actors, politicians, musicians... any form of greatness. Will anyone truly appreciate the greatness Gretzky/Orr/Lemieux that didn't experience it live? Would the Beatles be as iconic/legendary as they were if they came to America in the 2010s, instead of the 1960s?
(or insert any legendary names in any given discipline).
That's a great, great analogy, by the way. I was lucky enough to see Gretsky twice live in person, and once was while working as a security guard at the Hartford Civic Center. I was positioned at the base of the staircase to the 300 level seats, and right behind the goal. So I had a full view of the rink, and watching him play off the puck made it clear to me that he WAS the greatest. Being in Hartford I saw some greats, including Gordie Howe, but Gretsky was a step above. I can't tell you how many times I thought "what is he doing?" and seconds later he was standing alone with the puck and the rest of the Whalers were looking over their shoulder wondering WTF just happened. I get that sense with Carson too.
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the . . . the Whalers were looking over their shoulder wondering WTF just happened.
Not an uncommon occurrence if I recall correctly.
Gretzky's time with the Kings was great, and I can only imagine what it must have been like watching him in those early years in Edmonton (I didn't start following hockey until a couple years after the trade).
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the . . . the Whalers were looking over their shoulder wondering WTF just happened.
Not an uncommon occurrence if I recall correctly.
Gretzky's time with the Kings was great, and I can only imagine what it must have been like watching him in those early years in Edmonton (I didn't start following hockey until a couple years after the trade).
Your recollection is stellar! :)
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Not overly controversial. More a fact ;D
More American's need to discover 'Peep Show'.
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Maybe I just have a really juvenile sense of humor, but I unironically think Scary Movie 3 is pretty funny and there's moments in it that leaves me in stitches.
It's the only movie in that franchise I can say that about, and maybe it has to do with how much fun it seems they had filming that movie.
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I havent seen scary movie 3 in a long, long time but from what I remember is was really really funny.
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Maybe I just have a really juvenile sense of humor, but I unironically think Scary Movie 3 is pretty funny and there's moments in it that leaves me in stitches.
It's the only movie in that franchise I can say that about, and maybe it has to do with how much fun it seems they had filming that movie.
I finally found someone who shares my thoughts on Scary Movie 3! I'm with you that the rest of the franchise is kinda whatever for me. 1 and 2 are OK i guess, after 3 it gets worse and worse but Scary Movie 3 is like a hidden diamond among the spoof movies. I wouldn't put it as high as Naked Gun or Top Secret, or even Hot Shots, but there are scenes in Scary Movie 3 that still makes me laugh out loud and for whatever reason a majority of the gags work for me and the co-running storylines that blends mostly spoofing Signs with the Ring work really well together.
"The dogs are acting strangely", the scene in the basement when Charlie Sheen wants to board up the door, Leslie Nielsen as the president "crazy like a fox", the kid who takes damage all the time and the spoof on the ring tape. And i love the 2 black guys bantering. :D
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Leslie Nielsen and Charlie Sheen definitely steal the show for me.
The scene where the sheriff's hat keeps getting bigger and bigger. :lol
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I think sitcoms in general are terribly unfunny and boring, I've watched plenty and have rarely laughed at any of them :natalieportman:
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I think sitcoms in general are terribly unfunny and boring, I've watched plenty and have rarely laughed at any of them :natalieportman:
Seinfeld though!
I can sort of see your point because I feel with a lot of sitcoms that I just casually watch if nothing else is on TV, it's rare that they make me chuckle and even more rare that I get a good laugh from it. I think at this point though, a lot of the scenarios have been done before and every time i see a 'newer' sitcom blatantly rip off an older one it just feels weird, like we're already out of ideas. For example in Scrubs there's an episode where the main character dates a girl and breaks up with her because she never laughs, she just says "thats funny" - something that also happens in an older episode of Seinfeld. There also seems to be a trend in the writing for many (not all) sitcoms where the characters have to go through finding the one (in many shows two of the main characters get together), you show the dating, the marriage, getting kids and so on, and usually they squeeze the same jokes out of these scenarios. I feel like the whole 'couple arguing over what to name their baby'-trope happens in every sitcom that has a character becoming a parent, heck they even did it twice on Friends!
There's a few sitcoms I really like (Seinfeld especially) but I can see your point because a lot of them do have kinda generic writing.
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Scrubs however was great because it showed actual progress in the carreers of the protagonists, while other sticoms strive to mantain the status quo as long as they can, often with unrealistic results. The guys in Scrubs changed tasks and had carrers and it was actually nice to follow through that.
I think there's also a matter of habit and liking the show - once a show wins you over, you're in for the ride, regardless of how much every single episode or every single joke is great or not. As long as the overall quality or enjoyment is still there, you keep watching, it's like being fan of a band - you don't stop listening to a band because a single song on an album is average.
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Scrubs however was great because it showed actual progress in the carreers of the protagonists, while other sticoms strive to mantain the status quo as long as they can, often with unrealistic results. The guys in Scrubs changed tasks and had carrers and it was actually nice to follow through that.
I think there's also a matter of habit and liking the show - once a show wins you over, you're in for the ride, regardless of how much every single episode or every single joke is great or not. As long as the overall quality or enjoyment is still there, you keep watching, it's like being fan of a band - you don't stop listening to a band because a single song on an album is average.
Oh I didn't mean to sound negative towards Scrubs, I actually used to love that show a lot. (I say used to only because after my 3-4 rewatches I haven't seen it in years) but like you said it had many strengths and even now with all the sitcoms that have come out since, it still had a unique feel to it and the mix of comedy and serious moments worked pretty well.
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I think sitcoms in general are terribly unfunny and boring, I've watched plenty and have rarely laughed at any of them :natalieportman:
It's like music, though. After a while you start to see the patterns, you start to see the cliches and tropes, and for me it ruins it. I'm over the sitcoms that simply set up obvious scenarios and pepper them with snarky, quippy zingers, with the obligatory wink (actual or metaphorical) at the audience.
I DVR a ton of shows, and I think "It's Always Sunny...", "Curb Your Enthusiasm" and "Archer" are the only sit-coms I record.
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I DVR a ton of shows, and I think "It's Always Sunny...", "Curb Your Enthusiasm" and "Archer" are the only sit-coms I record.
Are you watching the new season of Always Sunny? The third episode, "Dee Day" had me in fits of laughter. Frank dressed as Martina Martinez dry heaving in the parking lot had me laughing harder than I've laughed in a few seasons.
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I DVR a ton of shows, and I think "It's Always Sunny...", "Curb Your Enthusiasm" and "Archer" are the only sit-coms I record.
Are you watching the new season of Always Sunny? The third episode, "Dee Day" had me in fits of laughter. Frank dressed as Martina Martinez dry heaving in the parking lot had me laughing harder than I've laughed in a few seasons.
Not yet; I'm trying to burn off other stuff, and I've resumed watching Game Of Thrones. I watched "Battle Of The Bastards" last night, in fact.
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I DVR a ton of shows, and I think "It's Always Sunny...", "Curb Your Enthusiasm" and "Archer" are the only sit-coms I record.
Are you watching the new season of Always Sunny? The third episode, "Dee Day" had me in fits of laughter. Frank dressed as Martina Martinez dry heaving in the parking lot had me laughing harder than I've laughed in a few seasons.
Not yet; I'm trying to burn off other stuff, and I've resumed watching Game Of Thrones. I watched "Battle Of The Bastards" last night, in fact.
Ooh! Review! REVIEW!! That's one of my most favorite GoT episodes.
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That was an unbelievable episode. My daughter said it was an epic show and she was right. I was literally sitting on the edge of my seat - I mean that, I was leaning forward, wringing my hands - at the thought of Ramsey Bolton killing Jon Snow or either of Tormund and Davos (I like them both). My heart broke a little when Davos found the carving he gave to Stannis' daughter.
I've changed 180 degrees on Sansa; I thought she was a weak character, and not deserving of the Stark name. I thought all the Stark kids were sort of weak, in the same way that Ned was; "intellectually" isn't the right word, but certainly they were not master strategists. She showed me wrong; her scene with Jon Snow is a game changer. Angry at Jon Snow for falling for Ramsey's trap, he should know better (that's what I mean by "weak"). Scared that Baelish is going to exact a too-high price for saving the day and helping to restore Winterfell.
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I love watching people watch stuff for the first time :corn
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I love watching people watch stuff for the first time :corn
Funny you say that; I had to negotiate to get to watch S6E9 without my daughter, the price being that I couldn't watch S6E10 without her, but the next day I called to renegotiate. So I can watch the season finale, and up to S7E8 in the next season. Between everything else we have going on, and barring a snow storm, that ought to put her home for the end of Season 7. But she SO wants to be there when we watch it.
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A Christmas Story is a crappy movie.
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A Christmas Story is a crappy movie.
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A Christmas Story is a crappy movie.
I have honestly only seen this movie once a few years ago and I wasn't sure what the fuss was all about. It was just OK. I assume there's some nostalgia thing that I missed out on by not seeing it as a kid.
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A Christmas story 2 is the real shit show imo
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A Christmas Story is a crappy movie.
Someone's hitting the egg nog early. I love that movie, though, to be fair, it's less about the movie itself than the context around it; it was always a family favorite, and it's certainly one of my mom's favorite movies of all time. This is a woman, mind you, that has a room in her condo that's dedicated to Santa Clause year round. :)
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A Christmas Story rules. WTF?
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Thought triggered by the Tarantino thread: Not a fan of Joe Pesci for the most part. I think he's a good actor, and he's done some things that are good, but the "over the top", "hilarious" Pesci? I haven't seen that yet.
Also, the logical leaps in procedurals on TV. I get it, it's an hour, so we can only do so much, but I do think it's a bigger issue than just sloppy TV. You know the drill: a cop finds an unknown hair at the crime scene, they get a match (often communicated by the savvy, hipster tech, but that's another complaint), and WHAMMO! they're all "we found our killer!". Wut? Are you SURE it's not the creep in the plain white van from the Amazon Delivery service? I'm watching "FBI" (don't be mad: Missy Peregrym, Ebonee Noel and Alana de la Garza are all hot, and I'm a big fan of Jeremy Sisto) and they are BRUTAL with those logical leaps. But - and I'm sorry to bleed out here - is it any wonder that we're happy with "quid pro quo" alone, or a picture of someone standing in the same shot as Jeffrey Epstein as evidence of crimes?
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Thought triggered by the Tarantino thread: Not a fan of Joe Pesci for the most part. I think he's a good actor, and he's done some things that are good, but the "over the top", "hilarious" Pesci? I haven't seen that yet.
Ignoring the blood you've spilled on my brand new floor, did you know Pesci was a lounge singer before becoming an actor, and has actually released a few records?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Vincentlaguardiagambinialbum.jpg)
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Thought triggered by the Tarantino thread: Not a fan of Joe Pesci for the most part. I think he's a good actor, and he's done some things that are good, but the "over the top", "hilarious" Pesci? I haven't seen that yet.
Ignoring the blood you've spilled on my brand new floor, did you know Pesci was a lounge singer before becoming an actor, and has actually released a few records?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Vincentlaguardiagambinialbum.jpg)
I did not know that; although I did know about his associations with Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons (especially Tommy DeVito, who, I believe, worked for him in later years).
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Hah. That's funny, considering Pesci played Tommy DeSimone - name changed to DeVito for the film - in Goodfellas in '90.
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Hah. That's funny, considering Pesci played Tommy DeSimone - name changed to DeVito for the film - in Goodfellas in '90.
That wasn't an accident, as I understand it. It was an homage (at that time, DeVito was a little down on his luck, while Frankie Valli was still a marquee act).
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A Christmas Story is a crappy movie.
I have honestly only seen this movie once a few years ago and I wasn't sure what the fuss was all about. It was just OK. I assume there's some nostalgia thing that I missed out on by not seeing it as a kid.
I can't say with certainty that I've ever seen it all the way through. It came out when I was 16, so it should be right in my wheelhouse, but I don't think I saw it in the theater. I don't know that I'd go so far as to call it crappy (a term reserved for something like National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation), but I also don't get what all the fuss is about.
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Well, it's endlessly quotable. "Did you hear what he said?!" :rollin
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"In the heat of battle my father wove a tapestry of obscenity that, as far as we know, is still hanging in space over Lake Michigan."
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"In the heat of battle my father wove a tapestry of obscenity that, as far as we know, is still hanging in space over Lake Michigan."
:lol :lol
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Controversial maybe... Joe Pesci's best performance was in Raging Bull. Ray Liotta should have won Pesci's Goodfellas Oscar.
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Controversial maybe... Joe Pesci's best performance was in Raging Bull. Ray Liotta should have won Pesci's Goodfellas Oscar.
If it's controversial, we're both controversial, because I agree with both statements.
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I don't know that I'd go so far as to call it crappy (a term reserved for something like National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation), but I also don't get what all the fuss is about.
See now, I love Christmas Vacation. To each their own I guess.
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I don't know that I'd go so far as to call it crappy (a term reserved for something like National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation), but I also don't get what all the fuss is about.
See now, I love Christmas Vacation. To each their own I guess.
I'd say it's been over watched by pretty much every one, but there's a reason why, because it's a fantastic christmas comedy. I just hate watching it these days because of having seen it so much, it lost some of its charm on me.
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I don't know that I'd go so far as to call it crappy (a term reserved for something like National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation), but I also don't get what all the fuss is about.
See now, I love Christmas Vacation. To each their own I guess.
I'd say it's been over watched by pretty much every one, but there's a reason why, because it's a fantastic christmas comedy. I just hate watching it these days because of having seen it so much, it lost some of its charm on me.
It's another one that I'm sure I saw around the time it came out (I was 22) but I don't really recall it. I bought it (in one of those $5 DVD bins) and watched it a couple years ago and thought it was one of the worst things I've ever seen.
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Christmas Vacation is a classic and I agree it is so for a reason, some hilarious scenes in it. The sequel however is a dumpster fire that should never have been made, though luckily it doesn't leave much of a stain on the first one since few people have actually seen it.
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But - and I'm sorry to bleed out here - is it any wonder that we're happy with "quid pro quo" alone, or a picture of someone standing in the same shot as Jeffrey Epstein as evidence of crimes?
Ohhhh, that's a spicy take! Personally, I doubt it; I just think we like to assume the worst in people. I assume the best but I'm usually wrong ;)
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The 1951 film Scrooge is a horribly bland, soulless, dull film. I have no idea why it is held as the gold standard for A Christmas Carol adaptations. It's not even a mildly entertaining Christmas movie.
By contrast, the 1984 A Christmas Carol with George C. Scott imbues the story with life and, as this Scrooge would say, depth of feeling. Scott is magnificent as Scrooge, portraying him as a more cynical, shrewd, lonely, man instead of just a grumpy old miser. David Warner shines as the fragile and kind Cratchit. And each scene the spirits show to Scrooge are given time to play out and have the appropriate effect on him. The 1951 film feels like hopping from one stone to another just to get across the stream.
I don't like comparing films from different eras but I always see the 1951 film at the top of A Christmas Carol adaptation lists. And I have no idea why.
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My grandfather would fight you in the driveway. As far as he was concerned, there were no other ACC other than the '51 model. "Alastair Sim.... he's the only one that should be playing that role!" I've heard that line, or a variation, easily 50 times (my grandfather, with whom I was moderately close, passed when I was around 20.)
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I would accept that fight. I won't compare the men as actors, that's just not fair to most people if they are up against George C Scott. I do prefer the way Scott played his Scrooge as I outlined. In Christmas Present, they poke fun at him at Fred's party and he chuckles, appreciating the rib at his expense, but won't yet accept the joy in their Christmas celebration. Also it isn't fair to compare films across eras due to production values.
To me watching ACC 51 (it is really Scrooge, not ACC, but anyway) is like a group of filmmakers took DIckens' book, and said "Ok, let's shoot this" without breathing any life in to it. The book is very concise and doesn't let scenes play out the way ACC 84 does. Nor does it allow for much in the way of Scrooge reflecting and what he is taking away from each scene. ACC 51 is just a series of "scene in Christmas Past/Present/Future, cutaway to Scrooge looking saddened, next scene, rinse repeat."
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Not controversial, but continuing the conversation (I might be having with myself). Just watched the A Christmas Carol with Patrick Stewart. Found it enjoyable. Stewart is stellar as always and put his own stamp on Scrooge without deviating from the mythic-level character that he has become over the years. I really enjoyed Cratchit and his Wife. They felt like a couple who was deeply in love and barely scraping by. For as good as David Warner is at just about anything, he is almost too proper and refined in the 84 ACC. I totally got the feeling that this Cratchit is very low on the economic and social totem pole, and despite his horrible employment, lucky to have anything at all. I was a little disappointed in the spirits, especially a star like Joel Grey. I know they are pretty one-dimensional in the book, but they are so lifeless here.
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I don't even celebrate Christmas, and even I know that Scrooged is the best version of that story.
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My grandfather would fight you in the driveway. As far as he was concerned, there were no other ACC other than the '51 model. "Alastair Sim.... he's the only one that should be playing that role!" I've heard that line, or a variation, easily 50 times (my grandfather, with whom I was moderately close, passed when I was around 20.)
My wife will join your grandfather (which means Chris would be in serious trouble). She does, however, also like the Patrick Stewart version.
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I actually feel strongly about this, so am happy to take on all comers. :)
I need to give Scrooged another viewing. It has been many, many years.
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In prep for Picard coming out next year I started to watch Star Trek Discovery, it's not bad, I actually think it's pretty good. The pacing is a little bit weird but I think I can safely say that season 1 of discovery is the second best first season of any ST show.
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In prep for Picard coming out next year I started to watch Star Trek Discovery, it's not bad, I actually think it's pretty good. The pacing is a little bit weird but I think I can safely say that season 1 of discovery is the second best first season of any ST show.
What's the best, in your opinion?
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Season 1 of DS9
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The love for the Character 'Rose' in The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker is completely overblown. Very underwhelming character. I've seen things online where people are asking Disney to make a stand alone series with her on Disney +. Perhaps for sleep assistance...sure, but for entertainment and anything interesting there's no way to gleen that from that character.
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The love for the Character 'Rose' in The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker is completely overblown. Very underwhelming character. I've seen things online where people are asking Disney to make a stand alone series with her on Disney +. Perhaps for sleep assistance...sure, but for entertainment and anything interesting there's no way to gleen that from that character.
She was fine in The Last Jedi, but nothing to get too excited about. I barely even noticed that she was hardly in Rise of Skywalker.
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A little late to to this thread, but i'll offer my opinions. Most not too controversial.
A Christmas Story IS one of the best holiday movies ever, so many great scenes and lines.
Seinfeld is the best sitcom I've seen, no other sitcom has made me laugh out loud as much. It's amazing how they took everyday life situations that pretty much everyone has experienced and made them extremely funny.
Maybe slightly controversial:
Seth Rogen is not funny at all, I've never laughed at any one of his characters or lines. He just usually plays the stoner guy, or supposed "normal" guy. Way overrated.
Jim Carrey "was" a comedic genius, one of the best ever.
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The love for the Character 'Rose' in The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker is completely overblown. Very underwhelming character. I've seen things online where people are asking Disney to make a stand alone series with her on Disney +. Perhaps for sleep assistance...sure, but for entertainment and anything interesting there's no way to gleen that from that character.
I saw there was something trending about her yesterday on Twitter but outside of that I (luckily) haven't seen any overwhelming love. Maybe people are slightly attached because Disney needed to add a character that helps with the racial and gender boxes to "round out" their cast but I don't know how anyone could look passed how she ruined an incredibly crucial moment in TLJ. I'm glad there wasn't much of her in TROS especially because with the way the plot was any storyline with her would've been shoehorned.
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A little late to to this thread, but i'll offer my opinions. Most not too controversial.
Maybe slightly controversial:
Seth Rogen is not funny at all, I've never laughed at any one of his characters or lines. He just usually plays the stoner guy, or supposed "normal" guy. Way overrated.
I agree with you. I though Rogan was funny when I first saw him on the screen but after a few movies I didn't find him funny anymore. He just played the same guy over and over.
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A Christmas Story IS one of the best holiday movies ever, so many great scenes and lines.
Not sure that is controversial, at least based on popular opinion. I watched it with my daughter a few days ago, having not seen it in probably 20 years. It was about like I remembered. Not really that funny or amusing, though witty at parts. She enjoyed it, which was all that mattered. Not a film I need to see again for another 20 years, certainly not something I need to add to the annual holiday film rotation.
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A little late to to this thread, but i'll offer my opinions. Most not too controversial.
Maybe slightly controversial:
Seth Rogen is not funny at all, I've never laughed at any one of his characters or lines. He just usually plays the stoner guy, or supposed "normal" guy. Way overrated.
I agree with you. I though Rogan was funny when I first saw him on the screen but after a few movies I didn't find him funny anymore. He just played the same guy over and over.
Here's my controversial take. He's also a bad actor. :corn
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Knocked Up was on last night; Bo-ring. How novel; hipster hilarious stoner is really a good guy at heart! Paul Rudd was okay (his quasi-hipster nerd cool thing wears thin very quickly for me) and Katherine Heigl is more annoying than hot, so... :tdwn
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I find very little, if any, humor in that genre of "comedy."
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Knocked Up was on last night; Bo-ring. How novel; hipster hilarious stoner is really a good guy at heart! Paul Rudd was okay (his quasi-hipster nerd cool thing wears thin very quickly for me) and Katherine Heigl is more annoying than hot, so... :tdwn
I watched it too and I agree although I like Paul Rudd a little more than you stated.
I never found katherine Heigl good in anything she has been in. When she joined the Suits cast I was like "really? You couldn't find anyone else?"
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A little late to to this thread, but i'll offer my opinions. Most not too controversial.
Maybe slightly controversial:
Seth Rogen is not funny at all, I've never laughed at any one of his characters or lines. He just usually plays the stoner guy, or supposed "normal" guy. Way overrated.
I agree with you. I though Rogan was funny when I first saw him on the screen but after a few movies I didn't find him funny anymore. He just played the same guy over and over.
The bolded is the same issue I have with Will Ferrell.
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I actually feel strongly about this, so am happy to take on all comers. :)
I need to give Scrooged another viewing. It has been many, many years.
Personally, I don't find any version of ACC as enjoyable as the one with The Muppets.
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I really don't watch a lot of TV. I hit the road to the office at 5AM and usually don't get home until after 6PM, and by the time I grab a bite to eat and knock down a couple of cold ones it's time to crash and do it all over again. I do like watching "The Curse of Oak Island" and any of the car shows on MT channel like "Texas Metal" and "Bitch'n Rides"! But what I find disturbing these days is the obvious political innuendos in just about every commercial I have to sit through. Some are just flat out racist against white men. Think GEICO and several other insurance ads. If white men aren't being mocked in some way they're being completely dominated by a woman or some other person of color, and if that's not true then they're usually gay. Also forget a white man white woman couple, it's mostly interracial, which is fine, but is it reality or is it the left ramming their anti-white agenda down our brains?
Even more bizarre is some companies don't seem to care if they're targeting their main consumer. Have you seen the Bud commercial where the hot blonde walks into the bar, beats every guy (white of course) at pool, darts and even arm wrestling? If that's not a kick in the balls I don't know what is! Call me a racist if you want, to Democrats I am by default, but it's just an observation. Surely though I can't be the only one that has noticed this?
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But what I find disturbing these days is the obvious political innuendos in just about every commercial I have to sit through. Some are just flat out racist against white men. Think GEICO and several other insurance ads. If white men aren't being mocked in some way they're being completely dominated by a woman or some other person of color, and if that's not true then they're usually gay. Also forget a white man white woman couple, it's mostly interracial, which is fine, but is it reality or is it the left ramming their anti-white agenda down our brains?
Even more bizarre is some companies don't seem to care if they're targeting their main consumer. Have you seen the Bud commercial where the hot blonde walks into the bar, beats every guy (white of course) at pool, darts and even arm wrestling? If that's not a kick in the balls I don't know what is! Call me a racist if you want, to Democrats I am by default, but it's just an observation. Surely though I can't be the only one that has noticed this?
I don't even know where to begin with this, so I'm just going to say HUH? and surmise that you're finding something that isn't there at all just because you're looking for it.
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lmao
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Yeah... no
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Perhaps I feel a need to weigh in because I too watch those two goobers on "The Curse Of Oak Island", but while we can debate the degree or significance (and the whiteness) of the comments, I don't think he is completely and utterly off base. Commercials ARE a place to make political/identity politics statements for the companies putting them on, and have been for decades.
It's long been a trope of commercials that the hubby is a bumbling boob that wouldn't know how to wash a piece of clothing or clean a room to save his life, but thank god his smart and loving wife can save the day with "TIDE! If it's got to be clean, it's got to be TIDE!"TM Or how about that car commercial where the guy is slaving over wallboards and diagrams like Sherlock Holmes (the spot is called "The Detective" (https://www.ispot.tv/ad/dADz/cargurus-the-detective)) trying to buy a car, and his girl comes in and three clicks later on the cellphone and he has the car of his dreams! Silver! Low miles! "Whoo, I'm beat!" she exclaims while he mutters, "let's do it your way then" sheepishly. "CarGurus!"
At least where I live - some commercials are regional - it's a noticeable change. More couples are mixed race and/or same-sex than not, at least at a rate well above the general population. But I don't think it's "racist" or "discriminatory". What's a better way to scream "HIP!" or "EDGY!" than the gay couple who can't wait to use their new Verizon system to access Disney+ to see the Mandalorian? Or the Latino family that's watched every Star Wars film at least twice? (Let's ignore the subtle message that the more TV/internet you use the better and happier you are, despite all evidence to the contrary!)
And "noticing something" isn't the same - nor should it be - as "being bothered by it" or "wanting to stop it". We've been subtly programmed to notice these things by their absence; what's different about noticing them by their presence?
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The perfect solution? Replace all actors in commercials with Gary Busey. I'm still laughing at his Amazon Fire Stick commercial.
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The perfect solution? Replace all actors in commercials with Gary Busey. I'm still laughing at his Amazon Fire Stick commercial.
His best moment? On Impractical Jokers, when he comes into the store and throws water in Sal's face because Sal called him "Nick Nolte" by accident. :)
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The perfect solution? Replace all actors in commercials with Gary Busey. I'm still laughing at his Amazon Fire Stick commercial.
His best moment? On Impractical Jokers, when he comes into the store and throws water in Sal's face because Sal called him "Nick Nolte" by accident. :)
Haha. I suggest you look into the show I'm With Busey. One season, very short lived, but I remember watching it when it premiered on Comedy Central and that's where I really fell in love with Busey.
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I really don't watch a lot of TV. I hit the road to the office at 5AM and usually don't get home until after 6PM, and by the time I grab a bite to eat and knock down a couple of cold ones it's time to crash and do it all over again. I do like watching "The Curse of Oak Island" and any of the car shows on MT channel like "Texas Metal" and "Bitch'n Rides"! But what I find disturbing these days is the obvious political innuendos in just about every commercial I have to sit through. Some are just flat out racist against white men. Think GEICO and several other insurance ads. If white men aren't being mocked in some way they're being completely dominated by a woman or some other person of color, and if that's not true then they're usually gay. Also forget a white man white woman couple, it's mostly interracial, which is fine, but is it reality or is it the left ramming their anti-white agenda down our brains?
Even more bizarre is some companies don't seem to care if they're targeting their main consumer. Have you seen the Bud commercial where the hot blonde walks into the bar, beats every guy (white of course) at pool, darts and even arm wrestling? If that's not a kick in the balls I don't know what is! Call me a racist if you want, to Democrats I am by default, but it's just an observation. Surely though I can't be the only one that has noticed this?
We have an entire P/R subforum for this kind of post. Let's keep it there, please.
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We have an entire P/R subforum for this kind of post. Let's keep it there, please.
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OK sorry about that, but I’m not able to post in the p/r forum, and I figured posting my controversial opinions on TV would be OK here. I’d rather not have access to that either as I’m about 7 months sober of posting comments on political forums! Trust me, you guys don’t want me in there anyway… lol. If it’s OK though I’d like a chance to defend my comment…
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Read the info how to get approval. They'll let you in.
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I'm just shocked that people still watch commercials.
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I annoy my wife sometimes by letting them play on the DVR, but there are some good ones. I watch the Gordon Ramsey/ATT one ("use a cocktail stick!"), I watch the surgeon/ATT one ("Guess who just got reinstated! Well, not officially..."), and the Geico/Bundle one ("I've seen violence.")
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I'm just shocked that people still watch commercials.
Live sports. Yes, I could mute or walk away or simply not pay attention, and I sometimes do those things. I also sometimes start watching games late so that I have "zoom room." However, you can't avoid them completely.
Also, sometimes streaming and on-demand shows don't allow you to skip commercials.
OK sorry about that, but I’m not able to post in the p/r forum, and I figured posting my controversial opinions on TV would be OK here. I’d rather not have access to that either as I’m about 7 months sober of posting comments on political forums! Trust me, you guys don’t want me in there anyway… lol. If it’s OK though I’d like a chance to defend my comment…
Read the info how to get approval. They'll let you in.
Note his bolded comment. I'd also rather not have access (which is why, after however long I've been posting here, I've never asked for it).
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Ah. I missed that. I get that. It's a rabbit hole that we all don't like to go down.
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We have an entire P/R subforum for this kind of post. Let's keep it there, please.
OK sorry about that, but I’m not able to post in the p/r forum, and I figured posting my controversial opinions on TV would be OK here. I’d rather not have access to that either as I’m about 7 months sober of posting comments on political forums! Trust me, you guys don’t want me in there anyway… lol. If it’s OK though I’d like a chance to defend my comment…
[/quote]No. No comments or conspiracies about anti-white agendas. Not here.
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I annoy my wife sometimes by letting them play on the DVR, but there are some good ones. I watch the Gordon Ramsey/ATT one ("use a cocktail stick!"), I watch the surgeon/ATT one ("Guess who just got reinstated! Well, not officially..."), and the Geico/Bundle one ("I've seen violence.")
I like the surgeon att one a lot. The guy who plays the doctor plays the straight man perfectly.
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I'm just shocked that people still watch commercials.
Live sports. Yes, I could mute or walk away or simply not pay attention, and I sometimes do those things. I also sometimes start watching games late so that I have "zoom room." However, you can't avoid them completely.
Another reason for me to be thankful that I don't care about sports.
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We have an entire P/R subforum for this kind of post. Let's keep it there, please.
OK sorry about that, but I’m not able to post in the p/r forum, and I figured posting my controversial opinions on TV would be OK here. I’d rather not have access to that either as I’m about 7 months sober of posting comments on political forums! Trust me, you guys don’t want me in there anyway… lol. If it’s OK though I’d like a chance to defend my comment…
No. No comments or conspiracies about anti-white agendas. Not here.
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An older one: the Snapple Mango commercial. "Phil in a BOTTLE right here!"
https://youtu.be/c1vv9QkzPo0
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Funniest show ever to be on television, IMO, is from the UK. Go to YouTube and look up Celebrity Juice.
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Funniest show ever to be on television, IMO, is from the UK. Go to YouTube and look up Celebrity Juice.
I'm from the UK and I agree...............this is indeed contriversial. Keith Lemon (Aka Leigh Francis) is about as unfunny as comedy gets, and Celebrity Juice is a notorious Chav show.