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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Samsara on May 07, 2019, 01:16:57 PM
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Been thinking a bit lately about what's left for Dream Theater to "do" in terms of things they haven't done in awhile, or haven't done, period. Came up with a little list. I set the votes at two, since I know we've all probably got more than one thing we'd really like to see done. Take a look at the list, vote, and discuss. :)
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Would have voted movie soundtrack.....because I think they'd be awesome at that....BUT.....I'd love to see a start to finish 'old school' Prog album ala ELP/Genesis....something along that vibe. All the songs be 10-15 minutes long with massive instrumental sections throughout.
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An album similar to D/T in teamwork, and the resulting enjoyment I've had from numerous listens. A tour with the 8VM title track, or at least with 'The Razor's Edge'.....just because I think there is no better 'show ender' in their catalogue. I have enjoyed their last two tours immensely, but I don't need a complete replaying of any more. 'Solitary Shell / 'About To Crash' / 'Losing Time' would be A+, 'In The Name Of God', 'Misunderstood', and lots of D/T thrown in would get me to more than one show on the next tour.
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Other. More specifically: another concept album (but it has to work well and be different from both TA and Met2 and more technical than those 2 combined)
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I'd check out an acoustic tour, but I'm not really asking for it. I'd check out a sound track of theirs, but I'm not really going to go to the movies or am asking for it. I'd dig another cover album, but I selected a packaged tour. I think that would get them the most new fans and seeing DT with say Devin Townsend and Haken touring the amphitheaters would be way cooler than anything else on this list, specifically if it meant a healthy song rotation (since no evening with) and maybe a collaboration with the other bands for an encore, that's the one thing on this list that would get me really excited to pay money for.
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I forgot to mention: I'm not asking for anything here. I do my best to like what they will be doing. (doesn't always work out though)
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I'd check out an acoustic tour, but I'm not really asking for it. I'd check out a sound track of theirs, but I'm not really going to go to the movies or am asking for it. I'd dig another cover album, but I selected a packaged tour. I think that would get them the most new fans and seeing DT with say Devin Townsend and Haken touring the amphitheaters would be way cooler than anything else on this list, specifically if it meant a healthy song rotation (since no evening with) and maybe a collaboration with the other bands for an encore, that's the one thing on this list that would get me really excited to pay money for.
That's a pretty big If there. They weren't rotating much when they toured with Trivium and I think maybe not at all with Periphery. I don't think a package tour would at all mean rotation. Even if it did, and it was "healthy" - we still probably wouldn't get as many songs over the course of a few shows as we would at one evening with show.
I'd prefer they stay with the evening with format for as long as they can. I went with acoustic and covers set for this poll, but your post made me think I should have chosen "other" and then requested a tour (evening with for me) with lots of setlist changes. I'd love them to do that even if just one more time.
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I'd check out an acoustic tour, but I'm not really asking for it. I'd check out a sound track of theirs, but I'm not really going to go to the movies or am asking for it. I'd dig another cover album, but I selected a packaged tour. I think that would get them the most new fans and seeing DT with say Devin Townsend and Haken touring the amphitheaters would be way cooler than anything else on this list, specifically if it meant a healthy song rotation (since no evening with) and maybe a collaboration with the other bands for an encore, that's the one thing on this list that would get me really excited to pay money for.
That's a pretty big If there. They weren't rotating much when they toured with Trivium and I think maybe not at all with Periphery. I don't think a package tour would at all mean rotation. Even if it did, and it was "healthy" - we still probably wouldn't get as many songs over the course of a few shows as we would at one evening with show.
I'd prefer they stay with the evening with format for as long as they can. I went with acoustic and covers set for this poll, but your post made me think I should have chosen "other" and then requested a tour (evening with for me) with lots of setlist changes. I'd love them to do that even if just one more time.
Yea, well this is a wish list, but since MM joined, they only did the rotating sets on the ADTOE tour? With the A/B sets where there was only a few swapped songs I think (I may be wrong, but that's all I can think of for the NA tours). I wouldn't consider that "healthy". But I think they only had one opener for that tour? If they had two, it would mean even less DT so even more opportunity to switch things up. It's obviously hopeful, I don't expect a major package tour from them let alone a healthy song rotation during the tour.
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An entirely acoustic album/tour: I might conceivably have some interest in an acoustic show. Definitely no interest in an acoustic album.
DT commissioned to do an entire movie score/soundtrack: Meh.
Another entire album covered: Virtually no interest at all, and that's largely because any album I might have interest in seeing DT cover likely wouldn't be a good fit for JLB (e.g., Close to the Edge or Hemispheres).
Making a move or musical out of The Astonishing or another of their albums: This was one of my selections. I would go see a musical version of TA, and that might be what is needed to get me interested in that album. As silly as this might sound, I think a movie version of SFAM would be cool.
Doing another package tour: I think you'd be hard pressed to find a band other than Fates Warning that would make me interested in DT shortening its set to allow for another band to be on the bill. DT and FW together in 1994 was one of the best concerts I've ever seen.
Other: Nothing specific comes to mind.
Kevin Moore: This was my other selection, and not for usual, facetious reason. One of these days, it would be cool for all nine members of DT to be on a stage together. Even getting KM on stage without the others would be cool.
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I voted for The Astonishing movie/musical. That was the only one from the list that I would really get excited for.
Some "other" ideas:
-Doing a Nightmare Cinema tribute to the music of Adrenaline Mob
-Releasing KISS-style solo albums (JM's could be spoken-word poetry, JR could do an album of ragtime music performed on the Continuum, you get the idea)
-Perform the entire 12-step suite live, but in reverse order so that the protag...
...wait, those ideas are terrible. OK, here's a real one: I'd like them to hire a professional biographer and then write an official biography/autobiography of the band. Something like Motley Crue's The Dirt, but obviously less salacious.
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An entirely acoustic album/tour: This doesn't interest me at all, it's just not really my thing. A couple of songs during a normal tour like they did on the ADTOE tour is fine, but anything more wouldn't appeal to me.
DT commissioned to do an entire movie score/soundtrack: This could be cool. I'd always thought about Jordan doing something like this on his own - possibly he mentioned being interested in doing it in the past - but I hadn't really thought about the whole band doing it before.
Another entire album covered: This would be fun if it was an album I was familiar with and I enjoyed, but it's far more likely it would be something else. I've never really listened to most of the classic prog bands they might do. The only thing that comes to mind that could possibly work would be one of Muse's older albums like Origin of Symmetry. That would be a little more special for me as it would be my favourite band covering the band they succeeded as my favourite.
Making a movie or musical out of The Astonishing or another of their albums: I thought it would have been cool if they did a performance of The Astonishing with guest singers for the different characters. I think that ship has long since sailed now though.
Doing another package tour: Again, this just comes down to the other bands chosen. I've seen a lot of my favourite DT tracks live now (big thanks to the I&W & Beyond tour!), so I'm not quite so desperate for evening with shows anymore, but they'd need to pick the right bands to go with them, eg. Haken and Symphony X (though I think they've toured with them before).
Other: The only other thing I can think of would be to have a tour where the setlist would in part be voted for by the fans. They could exclude songs that they can't/don't want to play live from the voting process to retain a bit of control.
Kevin Moore: Presume this is just the standard joke poll answer, but it would be nice to see him share the stage with the band again at some point. However, I don't think that will ever happen.
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The first four of those options seem too... gimmicky? I never got the whole album cover thing, and am glad they aren't doing that any longer. A movie score does sound intriguing, but at this stage of their career I don't know if they want to, or should be, doing anything outside the norm that could take them away from recording new music and touring.
I know package deals can be popular but I am not sure who they would realistically tour with on a dual bill that would get me excited.
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Sam, this is a great idea for a thread.
As far as a movie soundtrack, I'd point to The Astonishing, even though I don't quite think that's what you were thinking. Not sure I'd want a movie soundtrack at this point in their career as I think that'd take up way too much of the time they have left.
I want a cool sounding live album. LALP and BTFW sound so studio-ish. I literally cannot listen to BTFW. The crowd noise injections are so cringeworthy. I usually listen to the boot.
I love the fact that James forgets Erin's name, or he thanks the "Boston" College Of Music. :lol
I know this sounds so corny, but I'd honestly love a Christmas album.
And I'd love an acoustic club tour.
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Other: a tour with the setlist 100% fan generated. I'll leave the logistics to someone else.
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Other: a tour with the setlist 100% fan generated. I'll leave the logistics to someone else.
:tup
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I would love a tour of all album deep cuts and diehard fan favorites. Do two alternating setlists with A Change of Seasons and Octavarium as the encores. Have The Glass Prison open every show and In the Name of God as the final main setlist song every night. Figure something like this:
The Glass Prison
Room 137/S2N
Surrender to Reason
Under a Glass Moon/Fatal Tragedy
Panic Attack/These Walls
Blind Faith/Misunderstood
Innocence Faded/Lifting Shadows off a Dream
Lines in the Sand/Bridges in the Sky
At Wit’s End
Only a Matter of Time/The Killing Hand
Erotomania/A Life Left Behind
Voices/The Dark Eternal Night
The Silent Man/Beneath the Surface
A Rite of Passage/New Millennium
Outcry/Stream of Consciousness
Out of Reach
In the Name of God
Octavarium/A Change of Seasons
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I'd settle for a non-anniversary anniversary tour at this stage.
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I've always wanted them to do an MTV Unplugged style one off show that's recorded for DVD and an album. Not for TV really, but a 2 hour live acoustic setting. That solo for Silent Man would sound great live acoustic, always wanted to hear that.
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An entirely acoustic album/tour.
I'd welcome an acoustic show for the novelty of it, an album maybe would be overkill. The acoustic thing I'd prefer it more as a bonus disc for a studio album - a bonus EP with, say, 2-3 original acoustic songs, 2-3 acoustic versions of songs of the studio album, and 1-2 covers.
DT commissioned to do an entire movie score/soundtrack.
Nah. If they genuinely feel like it, good for them, but it's one actual album less this way.
Another entire album covered (Dark Side of the Moon, Master of Puppets, etc.)
Nah again. Too overkill of a tribute doing an entire album, and if you don't like the album covered, you're screwed.
Making a movie or musical out of The Astonishing or another of their albums.
Potentially cool idea, but I guess only The Astonishing and Scenes qualify.
Doing another package tour (ala DT/QR/FW in 2003, albeit with different bands).
I'm greedy and I want Evening With tours as long as they feel like doing them ;D
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Definitely NOT a movie score or musical.
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I chose the movie/musical of the Astonishing for the movie option. First because it would most definitely be a brilliantly bad B grade production, which is always fun with popcorn. Second, I’d enjoy even more popcorn reading all the butthurt comments about it around the social spots. Entertainment all around.
The only option I wouldn’t really care for is the cover album. In a limited live setting it could be cool, but with all the music out there in the world, it’s sort of a waste of time for me to get hung up on cover songs. Novelty of them wears off after the first listen.
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I hope MP appears in a live show just to play The Best of Times.........
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The Astonishing Guest Vocals Tour:
Gabriel ... James LaBrie
Faythe ... Cristina Scabbia
Nafaryus ... Alice Cooper
Daryus ... Bobby Blitz
Arabelle ... Alannah Myles
NOMACS Aerial Evolutions courtesy of Cirque du Soleil
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OK, here's a real one: I'd like them to hire a professional biographer and then write an official biography/autobiography of the band. Something like Motley Crue's The Dirt, but obviously less salacious.
This already exists, although it could always be updated with more new info.
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Faythe ... Cristina Scabbia
I like Christina, but her voice is not what I picture for Faythe.
Arabelle ... Alannah Myles
Wow, now there's a name I hadn't heard in a long time. Is she still even making music?
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Anneke van Giersbergen for Faythe!
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Anneke van Giersbergen for Faythe!
either her or Sharon den Adel/Floor Jansen
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Faythe ... Cristina Scabbia
I like Christina, but her voice is not what I picture for Faythe.
Arabelle ... Alannah Myles
Wow, now there's a name I hadn't heard in a long time. Is she still even making music?
I don't think so.
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The Astonishing Guest Vocals Tour:
Gabriel ... James LaBrie
Faythe ... Cristina Scabbia
Nafaryus ... Alice Cooper
Daryus ... Bobby Blitz
Arabelle ... Alannah Myles
NOMACS Aerial Evolutions courtesy of Cirque du Soleil
I'd love Alice for Nafaryus
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Faythe ... Cristina Scabbia
I like Christina, but her voice is not what I picture for Faythe.
Arabelle ... Alannah Myles
Wow, now there's a name I hadn't heard in a long time. Is she still even making music?
I don't think so.
Wiki says she released an album in 2014, so maybe...
Black Velvet is one of my favourite late 80s songs, I wonder why she didn't have lasting star power.
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Faythe ... Cristina Scabbia
I like Christina, but her voice is not what I picture for Faythe.
Arabelle ... Alannah Myles
Wow, now there's a name I hadn't heard in a long time. Is she still even making music?
I don't think so.
Wiki says she released an album in 2014, so maybe...
Black Velvet is one of my favourite late 80s songs, I wonder why she didn't have lasting star power.
yeah maybe, I don't know. Why did she not last long? (pun not intended) She had ongoing quarrels with her record label(s), IIRC.
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What I really would love to see that they give for Majesty demos a new life like Haken did with Restoration. Old songs with new arrangements.
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A good package tour. And Kevin Moore. :metal
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p.s. The Kevin Moore addition was the usual joke. But it would be, for me, incredible if he ever made a guest appearance with DT again. His more atmospheric playing style, and style of writing in general is something I really valued in DT, and is a big part of the reason I still consider Images and Awake to be the top 2 in DT's catalog (followed by SFAM and Distance Over Time).
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I've always thought that they were uniquely suited to make cinematic music, so I guess that.
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A book, a movie, a clothing line, a breakfast cereal, a tv show, a floor cleaner AND a dessert topping based on TA, please!!!
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An entirely acoustic album/tour: I have zero desire to see them do a full on acoustic album. However, if they wanted to do a handful of special acoustic shows similar to what they did in Dec. 1998 (semi-acoustic reworkings, rarities, some covers all in a laid back manner), I would be game for that - especially if they did them as shows performed on the second night of a two night stand.
DT commissioned to do an entire movie score/soundtrack: Many years ago, this idea had been brought up and the idea does have some appeal to me. I think it would depend on what sort of film they were doing the soundtrack for.
Another entire album covered: I've never had a problem with them covering another band's album, so I'd love to see them bring this back again. Plenty of albums that I'd love to see them do, altho as someone else commented, it's somewhat questionable if JL could pull off some of them. At the very least, along this line of reasoning, I'd love to see them record a series of covers as they did for BCaSL and include it in the special/deluxe edition of the album.
Making a movie or musical out of The Astonishing or another of their albums: Maybe a movie, but not a musical. Low on my list of things I'd like to see them do.
Doing another package tour: No thanks. I'd rather get the maximum amount of DT each time I go see them.
Other: I'd like to see them do a "live" concept album. By that, I mean select a bunch of songs from throughout their catalog (enough for an Evening With show) that they weave together in such a way with minor alterations both lyrically and musically so that it is as if they are performing a concept album live. Kinda like what Cirque do Soleil did with the Beatles catalog for Love.
Another "other" idea, which once again I wouldn't mind seeing as a bonus CD for an upcoming album, rather than as a standalone release, would be for them to record in the studio older songs from their catalog that they've changed up and rewritten.
Other: The only other thing I can think of would be to have a tour where the setlist would in part be voted for by the fans. They could exclude songs that they can't/don't want to play live from the voting process to retain a bit of control.
On paper, that sounds like a cool idea. However, I'd fear that the setlist would end up simply consisting of their most popular songs, which I'd have no interest in (already have seen PMU, Metropolis, AIA, TSCO, etc. more than enough times).
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Movie soundtrack, for the simple reason that hopefully it would bring them more popularity and notoriety.
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An entirely acoustic album/tour.
I'd welcome an acoustic show for the novelty of it, an album maybe would be overkill. The acoustic thing I'd prefer it more as a bonus disc for a studio album - a bonus EP with, say, 2-3 original acoustic songs, 2-3 acoustic versions of songs of the studio album, and 1-2 covers.
I voted for this but in a limited way like MirrorMask suggests.
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A book, a movie, a clothing line, a breakfast cereal, a tv show, a floor cleaner AND a dessert topping based on TA, please!!!
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/2198/EMsAuO.jpg)
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I dont really have a strong desire for them to do anything different. I'd rather they resume doing regular shows with a good setlist, hopefully with a good mix of deep cuts.
So naturally I chose Kevin Moore
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All I would really want to see is Train of Thought in its entirety. That album is a personal favorite, so I would definitely get tickets to see it, but besides that I would be cool with whatever they tried to do in the future.
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A book, a movie, a clothing line, a breakfast cereal, a tv show, a floor cleaner AND a dessert topping based on TA, please!!!
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/2198/EMsAuO.jpg)
:lol :lol
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Other: A D/T dominant, otherwise somewhat balanced setlist. Pretty much what I think they're probably heading for.
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I'd like to see them pull out A Vision on a tour and/or some other Majesty demo stuff. There's some solid material on that album.
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the glass prison not as an encore is blasphemy
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I'd like to see the band perform at Sweetwater's GearFest. JR and MM have done clinics at GearFest in previous years, Jordan's doing another KeyFest next weekend, and JP has done a few clinics here as well. The outdoor stage would be perfect, since it can fit about 1500 people. Steve Vai is the headliner this year, so why not DT next year?
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I'd like to see them pull out A Vision on a tour and/or some other Majesty demo stuff. There's some solid material on that album.
Would love to see this happen! A Vision is a great, forgotten track, specially the 89' version.
I'd like to see the band perform at Sweetwater's GearFest. JR and MM have done clinics at GearFest in previous years, Jordan's doing another KeyFest next weekend, and JP has done a few clinics here as well. The outdoor stage would be perfect, since it can fit about 1500 people. Steve Vai is the headliner this year, so why not DT next year?
JP just recorded a bunch of videos for Sweetwater, so I bet/hope they at least talked about something like that. It'd be really cool, and we could get some really nice pro-shot footage of that show.
Here are a few things I'd like them to do, but most likely won't happen:
- Re record WDADU with the current lineup and release it as a 30th anniversary special edition.
- Something like Spock's Beard did for their 20th anniversary, where they recorded a 20+ minute epic featuring all the current and previous members of the band. For DT, this will never happen because of MP's pride and because nobody wants DS near them ever again :lol
- Release a short EP with a different approach to songwriting. Not their usual "let's jam all together to see what we can come up with", but maybe let each member bring in a full song, and just record it.
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I would LOVE a studio re-recorded version of WDaDU. Maybe as
a bonus disc for their next album.
And a remastered version of ADToE...one that sounds as good
as DoT.
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I think this is a bit outside of the topic, but, I would love DT to do some kind of Liquid Tension, but with Myung and Mangini. I feel LTE lacks a musical direction, and I'm not a fan of Portnoy. I had this idea while watching the jams from the drummer auditions, and noticed they have some kind of telepathy for improvs.
More on topic, I really hope DT pull off a Pink Floyd move, and release some recordings like tour bootlegs, video concerts, demos, maybe even the jams from the auditions (not only the Mangini one).
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I would love DT to do some kind of Liquid Tension, but with Myung and Mangini.
What does "do some kind of Liquid Tension" mean? "Liquid Tension" isn't a thing, and Liquid Tension Experiment was a collaboration between four specific people. If you drop Portnoy and Levin and add Mangini and Myung, then that's just Dream Theater. Are you saying you want DT to send Labrie packing for an album cycle so that they can do an instrumental album?
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I'd like to see them pull out A Vision on a tour and/or some other Majesty demo stuff. There's some solid material on that album.
Would love to see this happen! A Vision is a great, forgotten track, specially the 89' version.
Agreed! Sadly, I doubt that will ever happen - after JP decided it was best to drop DLPM (another rarity) due to lack of crowd reaction (not to mention TLF on the same tour, and TGD back in 2011), I think it's pretty safe to say such obscurities, though loved by us diehards, won't be pulled out again.
- Re record WDADU with the current lineup and release it as a 30th anniversary special edition.
I think that boat has already sailed, especially for it's 30th anniversary. It would be more realistic to at least see them re-record one or two tracks for some sort of future compilation.
- Something like Spock's Beard did for their 20th anniversary, where they recorded a 20+ minute epic featuring all the current and previous members of the band. For DT, this will never happen because of MP's pride and because nobody wants DS near them ever again :lol
That actually would be a cool idea, but your comments (in bold are wrong). I'd be willing to bet that MP would be game for this, but I doubt JL would want him involved. And regarding DS, while I didn't like his over reliance on using the Hammond Organ sound, I love what he brought to DT, and I'd love to see what he would contribute at this point - I know I'm not alone in feeling this way, although we are a minority. Good luck with getting KM to participate though! ::)
- Release a short EP with a different approach to songwriting. Not their usual "let's jam all together to see what we can come up with", but maybe let each member bring in a full song, and just record it.
That's another cool idea, and probably the most realistic one of the bunch. Isn't that kinda what Yes did for their Fragile album? Whether released as an EP or as a bonus disc to another album, I think that would be unique and give some perspective on each band member's interest and personal style. Biggest issues I can see preventing that from happening are that DT already has a pretty established collaborative writing style that not only do they feel comfortable with, but is part of their identity. The other is that they'd probably be worried about the fans comparing each song and which is better than which, and therefore, who's the better/best songwriter.
And a remastered version of ADToE...one that sounds as good
as DoT.
That would probably require more than a remaster - more likely a remix, no?
I think this is a bit outside of the topic, but, I would love DT to do some kind of Liquid Tension, but with Myung and Mangini. I feel LTE lacks a musical direction, and I'm not a fan of Portnoy. I had this idea while watching the jams from the drummer auditions, and noticed they have some kind of telepathy for improvs.
More on topic, I really hope DT pull off a Pink Floyd move, and release some recordings like tour bootlegs, video concerts, demos, maybe even the jams from the auditions (not only the Mangini one).
I find your comments, particularly about not being a fan of MP quite ironic, because he's the one you can thank for ALL of those things you commented on! Who was responsible for LTE's existence in the first place? Besides the heads of Magna Carta, it was MP. Who was responsible for the improvs (whether standalone or within a song) included in DT's setlists? MP. Who was responsible for the official bootlegs of all sorts (demos, live, videos, etc.)? MP. Now that he's gone, all those things are too. Can't have your cake and eat it too!
Additionally, keep in mind that improvs by nature typically lack musical direction because the band members are reacting to one another spontaneously. So another irony of what you're saying is that you'd love to see something that you don't really like. :P
I would love DT to do some kind of Liquid Tension, but with Myung and Mangini.
What does "do some kind of Liquid Tension" mean? "Liquid Tension" isn't a thing, and Liquid Tension Experiment was a collaboration between four specific people. If you drop Portnoy and Levin and add Mangini and Myung, then that's just Dream Theater. Are you saying you want DT to send Labrie packing for an album cycle so that they can do an instrumental album?
I'm pretty sure she means that improvisational aspect to DT's music. When speaking about the improvs DT did within BtL and TLF, as well as the standalone ones on the ToT tour, MP referred to it as "pure LTE-land". I too would like to see them bring that back in the live setting, but due to the unpredictable nature of it and how JP wants everything to be controlled and consistent from show to show, I doubt it will happen.
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I'd like to see them pull out A Vision on a tour and/or some other Majesty demo stuff. There's some solid material on that album.
Would love to see this happen! A Vision is a great, forgotten track, specially the 89' version.
Agreed! Sadly, I doubt that will ever happen - after JP decided it was best to drop DLPM (another rarity) due to lack of crowd reaction (not to mention TLF on the same tour, and TGD back in 2011), I think it's pretty safe to say such obscurities, though loved by us diehards, won't be pulled out again.
True. I definitely think that was an error in JP's judgment and hopefully doesn't become a habit on future tours with replacing rare tracks with overplayed stuff or just avoiding them altogether.
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- Re record WDADU with the current lineup and release it as a 30th anniversary special edition.
I think that boat has already sailed, especially for it's 30th anniversary. It would be more realistic to at least see them re-record one or two tracks for some sort of future compilation.
- Something like Spock's Beard did for their 20th anniversary, where they recorded a 20+ minute epic featuring all the current and previous members of the band. For DT, this will never happen because of MP's pride and because nobody wants DS near them ever again :lol
That actually would be a cool idea, but your comments (in bold are wrong). I'd be willing to bet that MP would be game for this, but I doubt JL would want him involved. And regarding DS, while I didn't like his over reliance on using the Hammond Organ sound, I love what he brought to DT, and I'd love to see what he would contribute at this point - I know I'm not alone in feeling this way, although we are a minority. Good luck with getting KM to participate though! ::)
- Release a short EP with a different approach to songwriting. Not their usual "let's jam all together to see what we can come up with", but maybe let each member bring in a full song, and just record it.
That's another cool idea, and probably the most realistic one of the bunch. Isn't that kinda what Yes did for their Fragile album? Whether released as an EP or as a bonus disc to another album, I think that would be unique and give some perspective on each band member's interest and personal style. Biggest issues I can see preventing that from happening are that DT already has a pretty established collaborative writing style that not only do they feel comfortable with, but is part of their identity. The other is that they'd probably be worried about the fans comparing each song and which is better than which, and therefore, who's the better/best songwriter.
Will do 3 answers in one, since I'm too lazy to properly quote each one:
- A future compilation might be cool if they do things like that, but since they already did one for everything between IAW and OVM, I don't know if a new one would just focus on the rest of the catalog (SC to D/T) or a full career retrospective with rare editions and such.
- Well, MP does seem more open now, but I think he still has issues with working with James and JM. Also, I don't think he's too happy with MM either, so I just don't see it happening, but I might be wrong on that.
About Derek, I was talking about all his DT bashing on the SOA promotional cycle, and he still, to this day, makes comments about other prog keyboardists sounding like cheese and how he has the best sounds and blah blah. We know the DT guys are aware of this (some fan asked Jordan about it on Facebook and he answered the post), so I don't really think the're eager to work with Derek again.
As for KM, well, that's right, but in my perfect scenario he could at least help with some lyric writing, as he did with Fates on a song from DIADL. A man can dream, right? :lol
- I'd love it if they just went with it and let each member bring in a fully written track (doubt James would, but he could write lyrics to all of them and I'd be pretty happy with that). Or maybe just release an EP with a few songs developed from ideas they've had through the years but never fit into the albums they were writing at the time. Just a fun release before making their next studio album.
I'd like to see them pull out A Vision on a tour and/or some other Majesty demo stuff. There's some solid material on that album.
Would love to see this happen! A Vision is a great, forgotten track, specially the 89' version.
Agreed! Sadly, I doubt that will ever happen - after JP decided it was best to drop DLPM (another rarity) due to lack of crowd reaction (not to mention TLF on the same tour, and TGD back in 2011), I think it's pretty safe to say such obscurities, though loved by us diehards, won't be pulled out again.
True. I definitely think that was an error in JP's judgment and hopefully doesn't become a habit on future tours with replacing rare tracks with overplayed stuff or just avoiding them altogether.
That's why they've played AIA, PMU and TSCO a lot on the most recent tours :-\
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That's two unrelated things, in fact, I like the bootlegs, and I loved the jams on the I&W tour, and I was really hoping for extended versions of the SFAM songs on this tour. That's a completely different factor to me disliking his playing style sans WDADU, and I&W and Awake to a lesser extent. And it's not like the improvs. on Budokan 2004 or SFAM 2000 are worth noting, 'cause they aren't, IMO; amazing idea, bad execution.
The lack of musical direction is because I feel there's no red thread tying together the songs of LTE, it's "anything goes", but in a way I think doesn't work.
Also, having bootlegs isn't inherent to Mike Portnoy, or anything, and either way, it doesn't prevent me from wanting DT to release some unseen things in the future, when they stop making music (like Pink Floyd did, which, happens to be a band with 0 bootleg culture coming from their members).
And I don't find any relation between MP being a founding member of LTE to me wanting another similar band, I just mentioned LTE because they have a jam nature and pretty much everyone, if not everyone, has listened to them and knows them. I could have mentioned The Aristocrats, which is one of my favourite bands ever, but their style leans towards Rock (instrumental) with improvisations in the middle, that go even further in that aspect in their shows.
And while they fit the bill, their Rock-y nature could cause a misunderstood.
«I'm pretty sure she means that improvisational aspect to DT's music. When speaking about the improvs DT did within BtL and TLF, as well as the standalone ones on the ToT tour, MP referred to it as "pure LTE-land". I too would like to see them bring that back in the live setting, but due to the unpredictable nature of it and how JP wants everything to be controlled and consistent from show to show, I doubt it will happen»
Kinda, I meant the improvisational aspect of LTE, case on point, the jam on When The Water Breaks. Or the solo section in the live versions of Acid Rain.
And I didn't say "Liquid Tension Experiment" just because I wanted to short it, for fun, I guess. And my point was a more improvisation friendly band, not just DT without LaBrie (I love his voice); although many fans joke about DT having really long instrumental passages, this isn't the case most of time. You could argue it's DT without LaBrie when it comes to the lineup, then it makes sense. But stylistically is not what I meant.
I may come across aggressive, but that's not my intention at all. Sorry if that seems to be case.
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That's two unrelated things, in fact, I like the bootlegs,
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Also, having bootlegs isn't inherent to Mike Portnoy, or anything, and either way, it doesn't prevent me from wanting DT to release some unseen things in the future, when they stop making music (like Pink Floyd did, which, happens to be a band with 0 bootleg culture coming from their members).
I think your previous post made it very clear that you like bootlegs - I wasn't arguing that at all. The point I was making is that MP was really the only one in the band that was interested in producing that sort of thing. That's why there haven't been any further official bootleg releases since he left the band. And don't get me wrong, I'd love to see them produce some new bootlegs too - at the very least they could release bootlegs containing the demos for each of their MM-era albums, as well as a bootleg for each of the tours/setlists that haven't gotten an official release (from 2015, 2016 and 2017 - perhaps even from a few different shows in 2011 and 2012). But with a seeming lack of interest on the other guys' part, it ain't happening.
and I loved the jams on the I&W tour, and I was really hoping for extended versions of the SFAM songs on this tour.
Me too. That's one thing that disappointed me about them playing SFaM for the second set - they're pretty much playing the album as released instead of changing things to freshen it up and give us something a little different.
That's a completely different factor to me disliking his playing style sans WDADU, and I&W and Awake to a lesser extent.
So your dislike for MP is his playing style - that wasn't made clear in your initial post.
And it's not like the improvs. on Budokan 2004 or SFAM 2000 are worth noting, 'cause they aren't, IMO; amazing idea, bad execution.
The lack of musical direction is because I feel there's no red thread tying together the songs of LTE, it's "anything goes", but in a way I think doesn't work.
As I said in my previous post, band improvs by nature will lack musical direction. Sometimes it works amazingly well, and other times it will fall flat. That's the nature of the beast, and that would make sense as to why you're not a fan of at least some of LTE's songs (3 Minute Warning, Chewbacca, Liquid Dreams, etc)
So correct me if I'm wrong, but the impression I'm getting is that the "improv" you're referring to is basically extending a guitar or keyboard solo with JP or JR improvising within the extra space. That's definitely different from what your initial post implied, which is why it didn't make sense to me.
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Well, then we understood each other. Nice.
About the idea of extending solos/sections, that would be fun on the shows, again, like the I&W tour; but that's different. Honestly, now I'm lost, and LTE may be actually what I want, lol, but I just can't really get into them.
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I picked "Kevin Moore." One of my dreams is to see him and Petrucci reunite in some way and release a few songs together. After all, it was their songwriting partnership that led to DT's early success and it's only right that they reconnect again one day. The idea of them even just writing and releasing some simple acoustic instrumental tunes (along the lines of LTE's "Hourglass") would be awesome.
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I picked "Kevin Moore." One of my dreams is to see him and Petrucci reunite in some way and release a few songs together. After all, it was their songwriting partnership that led to DT's early success and it's only right that they reconnect again one day. The idea of them even just writing and releasing some simple acoustic instrumental tunes (along the lines of LTE's "Hourglass") would be awesome.
Amen. Maybe it'll happen one day. Fingers-crossed.
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-Making a stage musical or movie out of The Astonishing with some of the fleshed out details of the novelization.
-Other: A Liquid Tension Experiment reunion album.
-An acoustic live album, similar to An Evening With Jordan Rudess & John Petrucci and that one Anathema did
In order of preference.