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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: Mojado Ilegal on April 29, 2019, 08:12:36 AM
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I agree that *SOMETHING* off of WDADU should have been played (maybe still will be later in the year?) for the 30th anniversary.
Personally, I think The Killing Hand would have been perfect. A deep cut that most fans probably clamor for (A Fortune in Lies has been overplayed at this point, IMO).
The only other thing I was thinking is that The Count of Tuscany would have been great to bust out as an encore (PME can go in the main set).
Someone months before the tour began said he'd talked with the band about the top 3 songs that fans would like to hear, and songs like Octavarium were being tossed around. Whatever happened with that? Did any of the choices making it into the set? I forget what they were.
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As I Am, Breaking All Illusions, and Metropolis Pt. 1 were all featured on the last tour. So no way I would prefer either of them to replace anything on the current tour.
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I'll chime in saying I won't see this tour, or at least this leg of it.
I was initially disappointed to see an album other than the current one being played through in its entirety. It seems to be a big hit at least here so guess it was a good decision on their part. Seeing the first set posted online the first time was a bit of a huh? moment for me considering 1) the inclusion of ANTR and 2) the exclusion of AWE. Swap those two and my ranking of it goes way up. S2N and 137 are my least favorite songs on the new album so I wasn't sad to see those not included. I love ItPoE so that was a pleasant surprise.
I'll agree with you on the fact that something should have been played from that album, since its equally as important as Images and Words, Scenes From A Memory, Octavarium, etc.,
I disagree that something should have been included from WDaDU because 1) it's not as good as those albums and 2) it's xx anniversary isn't really worth celebrating at this point.
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IIRC, ANTR was part of the poll results, I may be wrong about it, but if my memory serves, then they actually included some things from the poll. I'd call that "fan service". I'm not sure yet if I'll see them on this tour (seeing as there are no indoor dates for Europe yet and some other reasons)
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I've seen this show and enjoyed every note of it. Sure, we all want to hear certain songs but as far as shows go....this one was awesome to see live. I don't think there was anything 'wrong' with this set list.
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Personally, I would have never included SFaM in full as the second set because it eats up too much time. Maybe at the end of the year (when the 20th anniversary of the album's release actually happened) after they have toured through all the territories once, having focused on promoting d/t, but not initially. That would have allowed for them to do a much more balanced and interesting setlist.
That said, if forced to keep all of SFaM as the second set, I won't say that this is what the setlist *should* have been, but it's what I think would have made for a good setlist, and it's what my initial guess was that I submitted to JP a few weeks before the tour started:
Untethered Angel
Lost Not Forgotten
Paralyzed
A Rite of Passage *or* Panic Attack
I Walk Beside You *or* Wither
Fall Into the Light
Surrender to Reason
Out of Reach
Erotomania
Only a Matter of Time *or* The Killing Hand
At Wit's End
~~~intermission~~~
SFaM
~~~encore~~~
Pale Blue Dot
I figured it was a good balance of older and newer, including songs that had not been played in some time or especially on the previous tour. And given that they made the comment about possibly swapping some songs out from show to show, I imagined it would be older tracks that would get changed up with two setlists, not unlike what they did on the Dramatic tour.
In his response, JP said
Well, maybe I’m doing something completely wrong and should take some fan setlist surveys but your set list guess couldn’t be more off! lol.
You got the Scenes part right though!
As we know now, he wasn't kidding. So here's what my next guess was (making sure not to include any of the songs from my initial guess, aside from SFaM):
Winter World of Love (Engelbert Humperdinck intro tape)
You Not Me
Mike Thinks He's Dee Dee Ramone Introducing a Song Song
The Best Repentance of Thy Father (medley of The Best of Times, Repentance, Honor Thy Father)
Octavarium
Barstool Warrior
Your Majesty
Raw Dog
Viper King (w/ Highway Star excerpt)
Room 137
Where Are You Now?
S2N
Anna Lee
~~~intermission~~~
SFaM
~~~WDaDU tribute encore~~~
Status Seeker
Light Fuse and Get Away
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
Purposefully off the wall with obscurities, songs they'd never play, a medley (which JP would never do) and structured in a terrible way. But since he said my guess was completely off, I figured I'd have some fun! :biggrin:
Here was his response:
Now that made me laugh! Can you imagine if we actually did that set?!
If only they did! :yarr
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I would have paid to see that.
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I wouldn't have changed a thing about this past set list.
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I wouldn't have changed a thing about this past set list.
I would... but I have also been very happy with this set.
I would have changed the encore. I still think The Glass Prison would have been the perfect encore. Just let that static go for another minute or two to give them enough of a break after set 2.
And I would have added more rotation to set one. Maybe just change up the new songs more. In a perfect world I'd add another 20 minutes to set 1 to make it the same length as set 2. But James has sounded great on this tour so maybe in the non perfect world its better not to push it.
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Thank goodness you aren't in charge of the band's actual set lists. :lol
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I could make wholesale changes and have an 'ideal' setlist, but it wouldn't be very realistic and I don't think that was really the point of the thread. But three small changes I would have preferred and seem like they could work would be:
A Nightmare to Remember --> In the Name of God
In the Presence of Enemies Pt.1 --> At Wits End
Pull me Under --> The Glass Prison
A fan favourite from the new album and two of the most requested songs from the thread on here asking what people would like to see - neither of which I think have been played live for at least a decade.
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These set lists seem closer to jokes than realistic possibilities...
I'll forward this saying I initially was not a fan of them doing all of SFAM but after seeing the show twice, I felt I was glad to have seen it, twice even, because it just came off so well live. So I'm not sure if this setlist is what it "should" have been in the end, but here's an alternate realistic setlist:
Untethered Angel
Paralyzed
Surrender to Reason
A Life Left Behind
Ravenskill
Chosen
Pale Blue Dot
Intermission:
Fall Into The Light
Peruvian Skies
Afterlife
Blind Faith
~~SFAM Segment~~
Through My Words
Fatal Tragedy
Beyond This Life
Through Her Eyes
Home
~~End SFAM Segment~~
At Wits End
Encore:
Pull Me Under
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Keeping the SFAM portion, my first set/encore would've been heavy on Mangini era songs (bear in mind, I'm keeping it realistic with the D/T songs - I bet they will play the rest of them on an upcoming tour leg).
Untethered Angel
Surrender To Reason
You Not Me
Fall Into The Light
Lost Not Forgotten
Room 137
Disappear
A New Beginning
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SFAM
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Pale Blue Dot
Our New World
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I was ok with the first set list. It wasn't great but it was good. But when they didn't play Metropolis Part I for the encore, it was a big WTF moment for Herrick.
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Three substitutions:
Lose ANTR, ITPOE and PMU
Add The Killing Hand, Wither, Voices and Misunderstood. Any of those songs other than Wither could swap with PMU as the encore, and the remaining three take about the same time in set 1 as ANTR and ITPOE.
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Thank goodness you aren't in charge of the band's actual set lists. :lol
Mojado Ilegal must be Spanish for chaossystem.
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it was a perfect set-list!!
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I wouldn't have changed a thing about this past set list.
Same here... I'm surprised to see the amount of people that would willingly omit Barstool Warrior from the set list :o
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Ya’ll are crazy...omit Barstool Warrior THE most popular song on the album?
Swap ANtR with Voices
Swap ItPoE with Surrender to Reason and Our New World
Swap Pale Blue Dot with At Wit’s End - edit: with big EPIC Petrucci outro solo to close out the first set
Swap Pull Me Under with Glass Prison
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Swap ANtR with Voices
Swap ItPoE with Surrender to Reason and Our New World
Swap Pale Blue Dot with At Wit’s End
Swap Pull Me Under with Glass Prison
That.... actually looks pretty sweet, though I don't know how well StR would play live, especially compared to ItPoE.
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I’m very pleased with the set list. The only thing I would have really changed was to swap ITPOE PT1 with PT2. I’ve been a fan for 10 years and have only seen them 4 times. Every set list has been a great surprise for me as I haven’t heard most of their catalogue live. I love that they’ve done an anniversary celebration for I&W and SFAM. They’re some of my favorite albums and I was a little kid when they were released. It’s a real treat as a younger fan. I won’t complain if they continue this trend.
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I wouldn't have changed a thing about this past set list.
Same here... I'm surprised to see the amount of people that would willingly omit Barstool Warrior from the set list :o
I like it, but I like Out of Reach and At Wit's End more, so if those had been substituted it would be fine with me.
The songs sticking out like sore thumbs for me were ANTR and PMU. But, admittedly, both were great when I saw them.
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I wouldn't have changed a thing about this past set list.
Same here... I'm surprised to see the amount of people that would willingly omit Barstool Warrior from the set list :o
I like it, but I like Out of Reach and At Wit's End more, so if those had been substituted it would be fine with me.
The songs sticking out like sore thumbs for me were ANTR and PMU. But, admittedly, both were great when I saw them.
which is the reaction the band aimed for I'm sure. You can't please everyone either with that large of a discography. I'm grateful for what I'm given at a DT concert although there were some things I would have liked to hear. (like Only A Matter or TOWHTSTS for example) Well, they may include either of these during an indoor Euro leg, what do I know.
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I wouldn't have changed a thing about this past set list.
Same here... I'm surprised to see the amount of people that would willingly omit Barstool Warrior from the set list :o
I'd rather see AWE personally. BW was great though, no doubt.
I wouldn't of been upset with set 1 being all of D/T and set 2 being SFAM.
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Set 1
Entire DOT
Set 2
Entire Awake
Encore
BAI
The medley of Pull me under/ytse jam/only the 1st 4 minutes of Octavarium/Ana Lee/Along for the Ride/Losing Faythe/back to PMU
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I would also have been happy with Distance Over Time for the first set. But - them not doing the whole album hopefully means they'll be back to play the songs they didn't get to this time around. :) Plus, I really like how that first set flows and both ANTR and ITPOE sounded incredible. Haven't heard either of those songs live in quite some time and I thought they were great additions.
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The only thing I would've changed is having Pale Blue Dot be the encore, and At Wit's End be the last song of the first set. Pull Me Under was played pretty good though, I'll admit. Better than the last two times I've seen it played with Mangini.
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I really liked the first leg's setlist. Saw lots of songs I hadn't seen before, or at least in a long time. Wouldn't change a thing. But the set below is what I'd like to see on a second leg (assuming there is one). Lots of songs that haven't been played in a long, long time, or at all (at least for my hometown shows). Put both FITL and Paralyzed in it so everyone gets to see both this time, plus two new songs that hadn't been played before. Tried to get all the albums in there, but skipped the full album shows from the past few years (Astonishing, Images, Scenes) in favor of ones that have been overlooked in recent years. Also put more emphasis on the other MM-era albums. Didn't really look at how long this was, but there's nothing too crazy long here, so I assume it works pretty good.
Fall Into the Light
Surrender to Reason
Take Away My Pain
Paralyzed
Never Enough
Wither
The Ministry of Lost Souls
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The Enemy Inside
Innocence Faded
S2N
Far From Heaven
Stream of Consciousness
Outcry
Goodnight Kiss
At Wit’s End
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Only a Matter of Time
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The only thing I would've changed is having Pale Blue Dot be the encore, and At Wit's End be the last song of the first set. Pull Me Under was played pretty good though, I'll admit. Better than the last two times I've seen it played with Mangini.
I could go for this one.
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The only thing I would've changed is having Pale Blue Dot be the encore, and At Wit's End be the last song of the first set. Pull Me Under was played pretty good though, I'll admit. Better than the last two times I've seen it played with Mangini.
I could go for this one.
Better yet...leave it and have At Wit's End be the encore.
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I was a little skeptical before seeing the show last night. ANTR has never been one of my favorites, but it just went up a few notches. I’m serious, it was incredible live! The energy and watching Mangini make it his own, it was a highlight. And SFAM was a religious experience. That good. What it looks like on paper (or screen) and what the actual show is, are completely different.
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Honestly I would have been 100% happy if they played DoT for the first set and SFAM for the second.
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I was completely happy seeing the band on this tour. I am not a fan of one of the major songs in the first set that they played, and only lukewarm on the other that was met with happiness from others, but it is what it is. I had a great time regardless.
If I were constructing the setlist, here is generally what I would have done:
set 1
intro
Song 1 from DoT
Song 2 from DoT
Awake Suite (rotate between side A and side B of the record each night)
Song 3 from DoT
A song from WDADU (rotate a few)
Pale Blue Dot (set closer)
set 2
Metropolis pt. 1
SFAM
encore:
Ytse Jam
In the Name of God
>>>>But I bet 90 percent of everyone would have a huge problem with that set. LOL. The bottom line is, Dream Theater is always in a no-win situation with the setlist. It's a great problem to have, but on the other hand, it must get awfully frustrating to hear complaints about it. So, I'm just happy they have a great new record, are playing a bunch from it, and are playing live at a great level.
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^I would have been just fine with that^
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If they hadn't decided to do a SFAM anniversary and maybe took some of our votes we submitted to Bosk into account, I wish it were something like this:
1. Pale blue dot
2. The Glass prison
3. Untethered angel
4. Paralyzed
5. Surrender to reason
6. Dystopian overture
7. The Gift of music
8. Take the time
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9. In the presence of enemies 1
10. Barstool warrior
11. S2N
12. Scarred
13. Only a matter of time
14. At wit's end
15. Beneath the surface
16. The Spirit carries on
17. Finally free
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18. Octavarium
I hated not having FII, TOT and BC&SL represented, but that would only be possible on a tour that doesn't promote a particular album.
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I was completely happy seeing the band on this tour. I am not a fan of one of the major songs in the first set that they played, and only lukewarm on the other that was met with happiness from others, but it is what it is. I had a great time regardless.
If I were constructing the setlist, here is generally what I would have done:
set 1
intro
Song 1 from DoT
Song 2 from DoT
Awake Suite (rotate between side A and side B of the record each night)
Song 3 from DoT
A song from WDADU (rotate a few)
Pale Blue Dot (set closer)
set 2
Metropolis pt. 1
SFAM
encore:
Ytse Jam
In the Name of God
>>>>But I bet 90 percent of everyone would have a huge problem with that set. LOL. The bottom line is, Dream Theater is always in a no-win situation with the setlist. It's a great problem to have, but on the other hand, it must get awfully frustrating to hear complaints about it. So, I'm just happy they have a great new record, are playing a bunch from it, and are playing live at a great level.
I'm guessing the line between "side A and side B" of Awake comes between The Silent Man and The Mirror, but either way, I think that would be a prohibitively long show. Awake through TSM is 37:05, and the second half is 37:51 (based on the song lengths shown on Wikipedia), but let's say 40 minutes either way. PBD takes that up to somewhere between 45-50 minutes, and three other DOT songs and a song from WDADU would add another 20-30 minutes, so you've got a first set somewhere between 65-80 minutes. Then you're adding 10 minutes to the 77+ minute SFAM set and bumping the 8+ minute encore to 20 minutes.
Not saying I wouldn't enjoy it (although Innocence Faded, The Mirror and Lie can go suck a lemon), but I think it might kill James! In any event, I agree that DT is in a no-win situation when it comes to constructing set lists.
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This past setlist was incredible. I would have dropped PMU (which often pushes James past his limits nowadays) and have had AWE as the encore instead.
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I was very happy with the setlist of the D/T tour, save for Pull Me Under but that didn't really ruin the shows for me.
As I've said before, one fan's perfect set list is another's nightmare, a lot of the stuff mentioned here would have sent me home unhappy after the show.
It's a coin toss, it's also how they do it, like that thing they did during the AFTR tour, where they had a chunk of SFAM and a chunk of Awake, was a complete buzz kill for me. I'd rather hear this full album or that full album or even 2 or 3 songs from one album scattered across the setlist but not this not-a-suite-but-like-a-suite type format.
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one fan's perfect set list is another's nightmare,
So true, brother.
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As I've said before, one fan's perfect set list is another's nightmare, a lot of the stuff mentioned here would have sent me home unhappy after the show.
It's a coin toss, it's also how they do it, like that thing they did during the AFTR tour, where they had a chunk of SFAM and a chunk of Awake, was a complete buzz kill for me. I'd rather hear this full album or that full album or even 2 or 3 songs from one album scattered across the setlist but not this not-a-suite-but-like-a-suite type format.
Funny, to prove your point; I actually LOVED the format the of mini-suite from the AFTR tour. Much prefer it over playing entire albums (although SFaM might be the one exception). It allows the band to pay homage to the album without sacrificing half of the concert time to it.
I think the AFtR setlist is probably the second best setlist they’ve ever done after maybe the Octavarium tour.
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I had this set up as a Spotify playlist before the tour started, and would totally be thrilled to hear it live -
1. Pale Blue Dot
2. Paralyzed
3. Misunderstood
4. Three Days
5. Room 137
6. Barstool Warrior
7. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
8. At Wit's End
If I were to expand it into two sets I'd probably focus on the anniversaries, since they wanted to do the SfaM thing this tour, and go with something like...
9. Through My Words
10. Fatal Tragedy
11. Beyond This Life
12. Untethered Angel
13. Erotomania
14. Voices
15. The Silent Man
16. S2N
17. Home
Probably rotate Misunderstood with Peruvian Skies, Paralyzed with Fall into the Light and The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun with Light Fuse and Get Away.
Pays lip service to the anniversary albums (except Black Clouds) if that's what you're into. Still works as a normal setlist if you don't care about anniversaries.
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Given the songs that were played last night and what was played so far this year, I think this would be a bad ass set list that includes every song they have played so far this year plus others:
Set 1
Untethered Angel
A Nightmare to Remember
Paralyzed
Barstool Warrior
The Dance of Eternity
Lie
Out of Reach
Pale Blue Dot
Set 2
In the Presence of Enemies Part 1
Fall into the Light
Room 137 / S2N (rotated)
Surrender to Reason
Erotomania
Home
At Wit's End
Peruvian Skies
Encore
As I Am
Pull Me Under
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I like that one a lot. :tup
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My one and only complaint was that At Wits end wasn't on the setlist. Besides that I loved it
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Not really saying anything new here, but: I'm glad they went full-bore with the SFAM anniversary on this tour. I DON'T want to see full albums every tour, or even every few tours. But the ones they have done lately have made a lot of sense. The TA tour, it's obvious why they did that. Following it up with the I&W tour was a GREAT idea, both given the major anniversary and the opportunity to reconnect with fans that may not have been into the detour with TA. The SFAM full album presentation also makes a ton of sense, given the major milestone anniversary and the fact that they haven't played it in the U.S. in its entirety since, I believe, the original SFAM tour. It was truly special seeing them doing the entire thing live again 20 years after release. Even though it made the rest of the show really short and limited what they could do, it was totally worth it. We got enough of the new album where you cannot say they neglected it at all, and we will likely get a lot more of it the next time they come through.
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We got enough of the new album where you cannot say they neglected it at all, and we will likely get a lot more of it the next time they come through.
Are they doing another tour in the US after Europe? That would be cool to see them again.
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Well, I think Europe can expect at least one non-festival d/t support tour leg. And unless I am misremembering, I am fairly certain I recall them saying there will be another U.S. leg.
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Well, I think Europe can expect at least one non-festival d/t support tour leg. And unless I am misremembering, I am fairly certain I recall them saying there will be another U.S. leg.
Cool. I'll keep an eye on the tour schedule.
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Hoping the SFAM anniversary thing is the last one for quite a while. Also would have liked to get two shorter songs in place of ANTR.
Also, do you think the band likes, dislikes or is indifferent to playing almost the same setlist in every city since MP left the band, since I think it was his doing to try and play different songs based on what was played in that city the last time.
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Well, I think Europe can expect at least one non-festival d/t support tour leg. And unless I am misremembering, I am fairly certain I recall them saying there will be another U.S. leg.
You remembered right. JP mentioned to me they'd do another round of touring in North America after the summer run in Europe, and then they'd do a second round of touring in Europe, I believe at the beginning of 2020. To be honest, I found it a bit strange, since I would have thought they'd want to hit Asia/Oceania and South America first before going back through Europe or North America again. On top of that, I wouldn't expect they continue playing SFaM as the second set when they do the second run through North America, and yet I'd expect they would do it in Europe when they do a proper Evening With tour there. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out in terms of touring and what the setlist(s) end up being.
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Following it up with the I&W tour was a GREAT idea...
Apologies for my ignorance, but I thought that tour wasn't as well received as expected, either in terms of critical acclaim or attendance numbers.
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Following it up with the I&W tour was a GREAT idea...
Apologies for my ignorance, but I thought that tour wasn't as well received as expected, either in terms of critical acclaim or attendance numbers.
Hmm...I heard the same about The Astonishing tour. I was under the impression the Images & Words tour was at least in part due to the result of The Astonishing. I can only speak for Herrick but I had no interest in seeing them play The Astonishing. I have warmed up to the the album since it came out. Butt when I heard about the Images and Words tour I thought "We're there, dude."
I think those who loved The Astonishing would've been like, "Sheeeit Negro!" when they heard about the upcoming Images & Words Anniversary tour. And those of us who weren't into The Astonishing probably had the same reaction up to 11.
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Hoping the SFAM anniversary thing is the last one for quite a while. Also would have liked to get two shorter songs in place of ANTR.
Also, do you think the band likes, dislikes or is indifferent to playing almost the same setlist in every city since MP left the band, since I think it was his doing to try and play different songs based on what was played in that city the last time.
I’m sure the band likes playing the same set on a tour leg. Who wouldn’t? I imagine having to constantly learn extra songs on the road makes touring even more tedious whereas having a specific set of songs locked in makes everything easier. Plus they change it up completely for the next leg so it’s not like they’re doing the same songs over again each time.
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I was under the impression the Images & Words tour was at least in part due to the result of The Astonishing.
Yes and no. I have never asked that question directly, so maybe I would get a different answer if I did. But here's my understanding based on some things they told me over time: The first leg of The Astonishing tour was fine. They numbers were a bit low in some locations, but that was fine and they somewhat expected that not everyone would like the direction they where choosing with that album. The second leg was supposed to be almost entirely locations they had not played on the previous leg. It was not booked correctly, and the band was not happy about it. They ended up instead playing a lot of markets they had already played on the first leg. The alternations to the set where they cut a few TA songs and added the encore WAS a reaction to that.
They hadn't planned the I&W tour, but realized the anniversary was coming up, and decided to do it mainly because of the landmark anniversary. The mis-booking of the second leg of the TA tour may have had some influence as well, but I have never heard that from them.
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The first leg of The Astonishing tour was fine. They numbers were a bit low in some locations, but that was fine and they somewhat expected that not everyone would like the direction they where choosing with that album. The second leg was supposed to be almost entirely locations they had not played on the previous leg. It was not booked correctly, and the band was not happy about it. They ended up instead playing a lot of markets they had already played on the first leg.
Bosk, do you know what the band thought of the South American leg of the The Astonishing tour? For instance: did they think that the album was well received? How was the booking here? What was JP's and Jordan's opinion of their Q&A in Argentina?
Thanks! :)
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I actually have no idea about that.
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OK, thanks anyway!
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I'd really love to see them do SDOIT in its entirety. Along with SFAM and IAW, it stands out to me as an album well-suited to being performed in its entirety. (Maybe SC as well, but definitely SDOIT.)
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I'd really love to see them do SDOIT in its entirety. Along with SFAM and IAW, it stands out to me as an album well-suited to being performed in its entirety. (Maybe SC as well, but definitely SDOIT.)
Given that the timing probably works out for the tour in support of the next album to happen in 2022, it wouldn't surprise me to see SDOIT (the song) done in its entirety. I'm keeping my fingers crossed since I missed the SDOIT tour.
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I would be shocked if they did the entire album in its entirety. That's a huge chunk of time.
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I would be shocked if they did the entire album in its entirety. That's a huge chunk of time.
On the other hand, SDOIT (the song) is significantly shorter than SFAM, which is why I think it's a legit possibility.
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Personally, I *really* hope they are done with the anniversary tours after this one, at least for a LONG time. But if they were to do some sort of anniversary tour for SDoIT, I would rather they play all of disc 1 rather than disc 2. Parts of disc 2 have gotten far more air time live than disc 1, and it's about time they get featured live again.
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Personally, I *really* hope they are done with the anniversary tours after this one, at least for a LONG time.
I'm with you!
But if they were to do some sort of anniversary tour for SDoIT,
Please, no.
I seriously don't understand all of the gushing for this album.
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But if they were to do some sort of anniversary tour for SDoIT,
Please, no.
I seriously don't understand all of the gushing for this album.
I seriously don't understand all of the gushing for the title track. 4 of the 5 songs on disc 1 are top tier material.
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Yeah, now that I've seen SFAM live, I can agree with no more anniversaries heh
I definitely wouldn't wanna see time wasted on playing the entire second disc of SDOIT again, just give me War/Test and Solitary Shell then send me on my way.
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But if they were to do some sort of anniversary tour for SDoIT,
Please, no.
I seriously don't understand all of the gushing for this album.
I seriously don't understand all of the gushing for the title track. 4 of the 5 songs on disc 1 are top tier material.
Oh, I agree. But I will say that for me, The Glass Prison has not aged well.
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But if they were to do some sort of anniversary tour for SDoIT,
Please, no.
I seriously don't understand all of the gushing for this album.
It's because people like it a lot.
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But if they were to do some sort of anniversary tour for SDoIT,
Please, no.
I seriously don't understand all of the gushing for this album.
It's because people like it a lot.
SDoIT is one of their best IMO, I consider it along with SFAM as my favorites.
But, would be way too long to do both disks in their entirety. I think featuring disk 1 at some point would be cool, all of those songs haven't been represented in their sets in a few years. Or do disk 1 and replace Disappear with a couple of tracks from disk 2.
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I have not asked the band this, but I would be surprised if we see any other full album anniversary tours, other than perhaps I&W or SFAM if they keep doing this long enough that we get to a major landmark anniversary for either of those again. I could maybe see a one-off or very small string of dates at most, and I doubt even that for most of their albums (I could maybe see that happening if they change their mind about filming The Astonishing, for example).
As far as playing Six Degrees in its entirety, that's an interesting one. I just don't see them taking up that much time in a set for one song. I know for me personally, even though it's my favorite song, I wouldn't really be that excited about getting it in a live show. We have great versions on live releases between Bucharest and Score, and it would just take up so much time in a set that I just wouldn't want it to take so much time away from other things.
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I think it would be a great idea to celebrate the 20th anniversary of SDoIT, yeah I know fans are probably tired of full album tours, with DT13' having 1/2 of Awake and a few songs from SFaM in its setlist, The Astonishing in its entirety, the 25th anniversary of I&W immediately after, and for the North American leg of this tour SFaM, but SDoIT hasn't had any of its songs played since 2012 with that being War Inside My Head, and The Test That Stumped Them All, let alone the entirety of the second disc with its final performance in 06', I think it's about time that DT performs anything from that album. Yeah they missed the chance to perform anything from WDaDU on this tour but with for the next tour they should consider celebrating SDoIT, although they sure as hell won't do both discs, probably best if they perform a few songs from the first album or do all of the second disc.
They played About to Crash in the 2015 european tour. Still, I agree SDOIT has been neglected live for quite a while.
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Big yes to SDOIT getting some love! I would like if they had something similar to Awake celebration where ~4 songs are played to celebrate.
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As long as there are anniversary tours, other albums will be neglected. Again, it's time for a tour where albums are represented equally as much as possible.
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As long as there are anniversary tours, other albums will be neglected. Again, it's time for a tour where albums are represented equally as much as possible.
Agreed. With 14 albums in their catalog, and an emphasis placed on promoting their current album, it's all but guaranteed that at least a few albums won't be represented in a specific setlist, but it seems only fair that the neglecting of many albums should be minimized.
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I'm still awaiting my First Evening With...that has an unpredictable setlist. Went to 3 evening withs all with an album represented, while cool and all. Im ready for a full on DT show with an unknown set.
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OK, here's what I would have done, I'm sure you'll all hate it:
Set 1:
Pale Blue Dot
Under A Glass Moon
Untethered Angel
Peruvian Skies
Fall Into The Light
Another Hand / The Killing Hand
Room 137
At Wit's End
Set 2:
The Glass Prison
Paralysed
Moment of Betrayal
Chosen (extended guitar solo)
As I Am
Home
The Dance of Eternity
Encore:
The Spirit Carries On
Pull Me Under
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OK, here's what I would have done, I'm sure you'll all hate it:
Set 1:
Pale Blue Dot
Under A Glass Moon
Untethered Angel
Peruvian Skies
Fall Into The Light
Another Hand / The Killing Hand
Room 137
At Wit's End
Set 2:
The Glass Prison
Paralysed
Moment of Betrayal
The Dance of Eternity
As I Am
Home
Pull Me Under
Encore:
Chosen (extended guitar solo)
The Spirit Carries On
With these changes, I would enjoy the set. It'd be nice to end on a soft note.
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OK, here's what I would have done, I'm sure you'll all hate it:
Set 1:
Pale Blue Dot
Under A Glass Moon
Untethered Angel
Peruvian Skies
Fall Into The Light
Another Hand / The Killing Hand
Room 137
At Wit's End
Set 2:
The Glass Prison
Paralysed
Moment of Betrayal
Chosen (extended guitar solo)
As I Am
Home
The Dance of Eternity
Encore:
The Spirit Carries On
Pull Me Under
I'd be tempted to leave before the encore. And you've got Peruvian Skies too early for a bathroom break song. Another Hand/Killing Hand would be the highlight of this.
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No DT song is a 'bathroom break' song.
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No DT song is a 'bathroom break' song.
:metal
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[EDIT] Nevermind.
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No DT song is a 'bathroom break' song.
:tup
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No DT song is a 'bathroom break' song.
You've never heard New Millennium or Repentance or The Great Debate (in addition to Pervian Skies)?
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No DT song is a 'bathroom break' song.
You've never heard New Millennium or Repentance or The Great Debate (in addition to Pervian Skies)?
I saw them open with New Millennium and it was bad ass. Got to see a great live rendition of TGD around the same time and wouldn't trade that experience. I saw James and Geoff Tate sing Peruvian Skies together, which was really cool. Wouldn't have skipped any of them. Still haven't seen Repentance live, but then precious few of us have.
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No DT song is a 'bathroom break' song.
You've never heard New Millennium or Repentance or The Great Debate (in addition to Pervian Skies)?
I saw them open with New Millennium and it was bad ass. Got to see a great live rendition of TGD around the same time and wouldn't trade that experience. I saw James and Geoff Tate sing Peruvian Skies together, which was really cool. Wouldn't have skipped any of them. Still haven't seen Repentance live, but then precious few of us have.
Fortunately, I've dodged that bullet. Peruvian Skies is a little better than the others, but the others I mentioned are absolute bathroom break songs -- each being the worst song on its respective album (and, in the case of Repentance, probably the single worst song in DT's catalog). And I was, of course, being facetious about you never having heard them.
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No DT song is a 'bathroom break' song.
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I wanted the entire album played. Viper King is the perfect encore, especially if they expand on it. The intro could be stretched a bit more and Verse 2 is too short.
Also, if you are going to play SFAM in entirety, you might as well start off with Metropolis Pt. 1 for context.
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I think S2N could be a really cool encore if they don’t mind playing a new song for that spot.
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I think S2N could be a really cool encore if they don’t mind playing a new song for that spot.
better yet: At Wit's End (imagine James singing "Don't leave me now" and then the audience would do just that :D) S2N is far too reminiscent of FII to me (as is R137) and that's not a good thing.
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I think S2N could be a really cool encore if they don’t mind playing a new song for that spot.
better yet: At Wit's End (imagine James singing "Don't leave me now" and then the audience would do just that :D) S2N is far too reminiscent of FII to me (as is R137) and that's not a good thing.
I want both songs on the set, definitely :biggrin: I just think S2N has more of the "concert closer" vibe than AWE, but they NEED to play both :P
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I think S2N could be a really cool encore if they don’t mind playing a new song for that spot.
better yet: At Wit's End (imagine James singing "Don't leave me now" and then the audience would do just that :D) S2N is far too reminiscent of FII to me (as is R137) and that's not a good thing.
I want both songs on the set, definitely :biggrin: I just think S2N has more of the "concert closer" vibe than AWE, but they NEED to play both :P
yes to this
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I think S2N could be a really cool encore if they don’t mind playing a new song for that spot.
better yet: At Wit's End (imagine James singing "Don't leave me now" and then the audience would do just that :D) S2N is far too reminiscent of FII to me (as is R137) and that's not a good thing.
At Wit's End as an encore? That's an interesting thought.
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I think S2N could be a really cool encore if they don’t mind playing a new song for that spot.
better yet: At Wit's End (imagine James singing "Don't leave me now" and then the audience would do just that :D) S2N is far too reminiscent of FII to me (as is R137) and that's not a good thing.
At Wit's End as an encore? That's an interesting thought.
Ok, so it doesn't make sense to you? (that's what happens when I try to be funny. Oh well. I do have humour. An ounce. (despite being born in Germany))
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Because of the fade-out, AWE could be a really interesting encore if they expand it and let JP do his thing. I think it's a better closer to a set than an encore, but it could work either way.
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I don't care where in the set it is, just get it in the set. But yea, I think it works well for a set closer
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I don't care where in the set it is, just get it in the set. But yea, I think it works well for a set closer
in case AWE were to be the set 1 closer, then PBD should be the encore (PBD is my favourite on the album and it shouldn't be sacrificed as it were, or left off)
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I think S2N could be a really cool encore if they don’t mind playing a new song for that spot.
better yet: At Wit's End (imagine James singing "Don't leave me now" and then the audience would do just that :D) S2N is far too reminiscent of FII to me (as is R137) and that's not a good thing.
At Wit's End as an encore? That's an interesting thought.
Ok, so it doesn't make sense to you?
I'm not saying it doesn't make sense. I just said it is "interesting."
I do have humour. An ounce. (despite being born in Germany))
LIES! I know several Germans, and they have assured me that humor is quite illegal in Germany. [/attempted humor]
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Because of the fade-out, AWE could be a really interesting encore if they expand it and let JP do his thing. I think it's a better closer to a set than an encore, but it could work either way.
that was part of my thought why AWE could work (and because I'd love to hear the section after the silence to be expanded and without that obscure effect, to be frank.)
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Because of the fade-out, AWE could be a really interesting encore if they expand it and let JP do his thing. I think it's a better closer to a set than an encore, but it could work either way.
that was part of my thought why AWE could work (and because I'd love to hear the section after the silence to be expanded and without that obscure effect, to be frank.)
I thought you were Max :laugh:
:lol
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Plot twist!
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We can all agree that Pull Me Under needs not make an appearance in this second leg, let alone as the encore, correct?
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We can all agree that Pull Me Under needs not make an appearance in this second leg, let alone as the encore, correct?
Unpopular opinion time. I understand that it’s their most famous song, but Pull Me Under does not work as an encore, like, at all. That ending is way too abrupt and doesn’t release all of the energy in the building like a show closer is supposed to. As a show opener sure it’s fine and I would even say it would be a sick way to close set one, with the entire stage going completely dark as the song and set ends. But it’s extremely underwhelming encore if you ask me.
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As I Am, Breaking All Illusions, and Metropolis Pt. 1 were all featured on the last tour. So no way I would prefer either of them to replace anything on the current tour.
Yeah, this. I'm pretty over TSCO too but it's part of Scenes, so...also, about PMU, I was disappointed when I found out that's the encore they're going with. Great song but too predictable and frankly overplayed even given its success
Other than that I don't really care what's in the set list. I haven't seen this tour yet so anything off the latest album will be nice to hear, but I'd go wild over AWE
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We can all agree that Pull Me Under needs not make an appearance in this second leg, let alone as the encore, correct?
Unpopular opinion time. I understand that it’s their most famous song, but Pull Me Under does not work as an encore, like, at all. That ending is way too abrupt and doesn’t release all of the energy in the building like a show closer is supposed to. As a show opener sure it’s fine and I would even say it would be a sick way to close set one, with the entire stage going completely dark as the song and set ends. But it’s extremely underwhelming encore if you ask me.
I'm on board with that. I enjoy it when it's played, but I'd be totally ok never seeing it again.