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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: bosk1 on March 19, 2019, 04:45:59 PM
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Let's keep the set list predictions/speculation thread spoiler free. Put all discussion of the actual set lists and other tour discussion in this thread.
Spoiler-free thread here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53455.0
**IF YOU DO NOT WANT SET LIST/TOUR SPOILERS, DO NOT CONTINUE READING**
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Sign me in for this thread. The start of a new DT tour always gets me excited, and the setlist is a big part of that :metal
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One day I’ll be able to attend the tour opener, but this time around I have to wait 3 weeks.
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Very excited for the first set tomorrow! I wonder if there'll be any permutations moving forward...
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Looks like setlist.fm already has placeholders up for the first three nights this week (https://www.setlist.fm/search?artist=bd6a102&query=Dream+Theater).
I'll definitely be keeping an eye out on there, but if anyone here is going to the show tomorrow night, will you be live-posting the setlist here? Sometimes updates on setlist.fm aren't always accurate.
-Marc.
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It's TONIGHT folks!!!!
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Pumped to see what the boys play tonight! :metal
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i request a temp ban until after the denver show
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i request a temp ban until after the denver show
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i request a temp ban until after the denver show
:rollin
I AM CEREAL!!!!!!
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Anyone knows how many hours left untill the show starts? I need to clear my schedule for later today :lol
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Anyone knows how many hours left untill the show starts? I need to clear my schedule for later today :lol
Show starts at 8pm, it's about 8:43 am so another 12 hours.
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Anyone knows how many hours left untill the show starts? I need to clear my schedule for later today :lol
Show starts at 8pm, it's about 8:43 am so another 12 hours.
It'll be midnight for me. Guess I'll find out tomorrow, then :-\
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John ¨Petrucci just wrote:
“So, we’re doing 'An Evening With'... it’ll be two sets with an intermission. The first set is focused on songs from the new record, of course, and some older songs, and then the second set is Scenes From a Memory in its entirety. So, that’s the way we’re breaking it up. Yeah, it should be a fun night!”
:metal
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John ¨Petrucci just wrote:
“So, we’re doing 'An Evening With'... it’ll be two sets with an intermission. The first set is focused on songs from the new record, of course, and some older songs, and then the second set is Scenes From a Memory in its entirety. So, that’s the way we’re breaking it up. Yeah, it should be a fun night!”
:metal
This leads me to believe that the majority of the first set will be new songs, or at very least, half. So if the first set is 70-80 minutes long, we can expect about 35-45 minutes of new music, and counting "Viper King", that's all but 2 or 3 songs, which is exciting. I don't expect them to play more than 5, but I could be wrong, and would love to see them play 6 or 7. Just 8 more hours to go...
-Marc.
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On the second set, I'm guessing they'll use recordings for the speaking parts and the female intro to Through Her Eyes rather than have actual people doing them live, but do you think they will have the same/different/no visuals telling the story on the video screens?
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I'm sticking with my prediction of 6. Leaving open the possibility of being 1 off in either direction. But 6 still seems VERY likely, with the 6 being what I predicted earlier.
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On the second set, I'm guessing they'll use recordings for the speaking parts and the female intro to Through Her Eyes rather than have actual people doing them live, but do you think they will have the same/different/no visuals telling the story on the video screens?
I may be wrong, but I think they hired the same animation company/people who did the videos for the D/T material to do animations for all of SFAM. I'll gladly be corrected if I just pulled that out of my ass, but I feel like I heard JP referring to that in an interview.
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One day I’ll be able to attend the tour opener, but this time around I have to wait 3 weeks.
It's on my bucket list, I always get the last few days of the tour. For some reason I got it in my head that bands start tours very excited about the new music then a month into it they're just going through the motions and "we already got paid to do it so I guess we gotta do it", which would be my feelings too if I had to do anything over and over again for a month or two. But sometimes I think maybe when artists get on stage and get the audience vibe; they recharge and it's like the first show again, I don't know.
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I'm predicting Untethered angel, Paralyzed, Fall into the night, Barstool warrior and Pale blue dot. If they add one more, it will be either S2N or At wit's end.
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20$ says Pale Blue Dot is gonna be the show opener, I dare say it's the second coming of Bridges in The Sky.
It's a month old and from the DOT discussion thread but I wanted to leave it here to collect my imaginary money.
Also, I take the BiTS thing back.
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I'm predicting Untethered angel, Paralyzed, Fall into the night, Barstool warrior and Pale blue dot.
Highly likely.
If they add one more, it will be either S2N or At wit's end.
Oh well. At least you had the first part of your post.
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bosk I know you said you avoided spoilers about the set list but it sure sounds like you're pretty confident about no At Wit's End heh
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I'll be at the Friday night show in L.A. Besides SFAM, I wonder if they plan to mix up the setlist of new material and old from show to show. Anybody hear anything about them doing that this tour?
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Nope.
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I think James alluded to it being a possibility in an interview a little while back, but that was likely before the exact plans were nailed down.
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I would be surprised if AWE doesn't make it to the set-list.
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I'll be at the Friday night show in L.A. Besides SFAM, I wonder if they plan to mix up the setlist of new material and old from show to show. Anybody hear anything about them doing that this tour?
I'll be there Friday as well...second row, middle section, on the aisle on JM/JR's side.
I just called the Wiltern box office, and the recording says doors open at 7:00, show time for "Act 1" is 8-8:55, and for "Act 2" is 9:10-10:30. I wonder how hard and fast those times are other than the doors and the start time.
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Real curious as to how set 1 plays out and what the encore is. I'll be following and spoils myself, but I can't resist, maybe if my show was sooner.
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Looks like setlist.fm already has placeholders up for the first three nights this week (https://www.setlist.fm/search?artist=bd6a102&query=Dream+Theater).
I'll definitely be keeping an eye out on there, but if anyone here is going to the show tomorrow night, will you be live-posting the setlist here? Sometimes updates on setlist.fm aren't always accurate.
-Marc.
There's a set on the first date already!!
It must be fake. I'm on another time area, but I believe the concert hasn't even started yet, am I right?! :lol
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Looks like setlist.fm already has placeholders up for the first three nights this week (https://www.setlist.fm/search?artist=bd6a102&query=Dream+Theater).
I'll definitely be keeping an eye out on there, but if anyone here is going to the show tomorrow night, will you be live-posting the setlist here? Sometimes updates on setlist.fm aren't always accurate.
-Marc.
There's a set on the first date already!!
It must be fake. I'm on another time area, but I believe the concert hasn't even started yet, am I right?! :lol
It's totally fake. The show doesn't start for another 4.5 hours. Besides, whoever added it forgot "Beyond This Life" and "The Spirit Carries On". :tup :lol
I'll be at the Friday night show in L.A. Besides SFAM, I wonder if they plan to mix up the setlist of new material and old from show to show. Anybody hear anything about them doing that this tour?
I'll be there Friday as well...second row, middle section, on the aisle on JM/JR's side.
I just called the Wiltern box office, and the recording says doors open at 7:00, show time for "Act 1" is 8-8:55, and for "Act 2" is 9:10-10:30. I wonder how hard and fast those times are other than the doors and the start time.
Only 55 minutes for the first set, eh? Let's say they even use half of it for new songs, that's just barely 27-28 minutes of new music, at the VERY least, which is only about 4-5 songs, depending on what they play. If they play all 3 singles, that's already 17:35 or so, leaving only another 10 minutes, which could be "Barstool Warrior" and "Viper King" or maybe "Room 137". Like I said before, the 4th and 5th songs could be swapped with A/B set lists, so one night could see BW/VK, then S2N/R137 the next night. Of course, this leaves AWE, OOR and PBD out of the first set, which I would be fine with. Honestly, an encore featuring OOR/PBD would be pretty neat.
-Marc.
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Oh yeah, missed the missing songs :rollin
About the encore, what if they play the three songs, just as it is on the album: AWE - OOR - PBD??
I'd like that actually!!
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Well...I'll be avoiding these threads for the next couple days (and may or may not log in over the weekend). Cheers!
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Forgot this show is on the west coast, boo PST! ;D
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bosk I know you said you avoided spoilers about the set list but it sure sounds like you're pretty confident about no At Wit's End heh
Call me crazy, but I remember seeing a post Bosk made a while back where he said he accidentally found out about one of the new songs that’s NOT going to be played. Guess we now know which one it is...
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22 minutes for the show?
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22 minutes for the show?
More or less! Can't wait to see what they open with!
-Marc.
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AWE and S2N seem to be the two most popular songs along with BW. Why would they not play those songs?
AWE is the best DT song since 6DOIT IMO. I will still love the tour dearly but seems like a strange omission to me as it was the song I was most excited to hear from the new album.
Glass Prison would be sweet to hear though.
SFAM alone is worth the price of admission regardless.
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We are 12 minutes into the first set, I think, and it's presumably only 55 minutes long. Has anyone seen any updates on the set anywhere?
EDIT - Found a tweet - https://twitter.com/AsianWill1991/status/1108552040374951937
SPOILERS! LAST CHANCE!!!
1 - Untethered Angel
2 - A Nightmare To Remember
3 -
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-Marc.
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Dang I lost :lol
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Is Mangini going to sing the growl part. Day after day and night after night!!
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Number 2 - what of waste of time :lol
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That's quite the back drop
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2JeKygVAAA6_Nn.jpg)
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JP'll probably lip sync it. He did that with something else before, maybe The Test That Stumped Them All.
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Number 2 - what of waste of time :lol
Dear Lord no kidding (though to be honest when I saw it live it played better than I thought it would).
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JP'll probably lip sync it. He did that with something else before, maybe The Test That Stumped Them All.
Yeah, probably...
But I hate it when it's lip sync'ed :tdwn
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Song number 3 of the first set is...Paralyzed
And song number 4 is... Barstool Warrior
-Marc.
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Why do I feel like I'm gonna be disappointed if this first set is new album heavy. I mean, I get it, but I want to hear some of the older stuff...
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Dang it all, in my marathon of listening to all the DT albums, because I strapped for time (also wanted to listen to In Flames and Within Temptation discography since their show was two days before DT's show), I opted to skip Black Clouds & Silver Linings, because I thought they are not going to play something off of it and the Mangini albums prior to Distance Over Time (since I have listened to those enough on a regular basis and I should know which songs should come up). Now I got to go and relisten to A Nightmare to Remember before the show tomorrow.
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Why do I feel like I'm gonna be disappointed if this first set is new album heavy. I mean, I get it, but I want to hear some of the older stuff...
JP did say that the first set would have a "focus" on the new album, so take that as you will, but I'm willing to bet that at least half of the first set will be new music. If that's the case, I am willing to bet the encore will be nothing but older material.
-Marc.
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Why do I feel like I'm gonna be disappointed if this first set is new album heavy. I mean, I get it, but I want to hear some of the older stuff...
The entire second set is full of older stuff though. I do understand your point though. I want to see something from Awake in this show and, hopefully, Surrender to Reason (the only song they have yet to play live from DT12).
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Why do I feel like I'm gonna be disappointed if this first set is new album heavy. I mean, I get it, but I want to hear some of the older stuff...
Interesting but I'm the complete opposite. I think because I've seen them since the Awake tour and there are no bucket list songs anymore like there was for Rush with The Camera Eye and Jacobs Ladder.
Love this thread though. :)
Not crazy about Nightmare but it's fun live.
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2 - A Nightmare To Remember
JP: "Hey Bosk, what songs would dtf.org like to hear live?"
Bosk: "Here's a list of all the songs submitted."
JP: "Great, let's play a song absolutely no one picked."
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Song #5 is ITPOE Pt. 1 as per that tweeter. OMG
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In The Presence of Enemies Pt 1.
This set is quite the ride though. It's all fairly heavy
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The 5th song played is... In The Presence Of Enemies (at least part 1)
Edit - sniped.
-Marc.
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It figures that they would play another song tuned in C after UA! I just thought it'd be Panic Attack instead :lol
Great set so far. Did not see ITPOE coming!
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ITPOE? WTF?
:omg:
I begin to think that they should play the d/t in full. :lol
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No bummers so far for me!
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PALE BLUE DOT
Edit - judging on the time of the first set ending soon, this is probably the first set closer.
And if true, then that means the first set was only 6 songs. An hour long, with just 6 songs, with 4 of them being from d/t, with the other two being longer songs from the end of their 00's albums. Very interesting choices...
-Marc.
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I assume that will be the end of the first set
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PALE BLUE DOT
-Marc.
That presumably closes the first set? That's a bit of a bummer, only six songs in that 55 minute time frame (one of them is a 16 minute song fills that timeframe).
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Only 4 songs from the new album so far? We need more!
ANTR was unexpected and a very long song to fit into the set, though I suspect they didn't play the slow intro and just started with the heavy riff.
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PALE BLUE DOT
-Marc.
That presumably closes the first set? That's a bit of a bummer, only six songs in that 55 minute time frame (one of them is a 16 minute song fills that timeframe).
That is indeed the end of the first set. Looks like William Yates will tweet out the encore as well. Maybe if there are any surprises in the SFAM set, he may post those too!
-Marc.
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Well...
if they come to South America, SFAM will be worth it anyway.
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It’s crazy that ANTR hasn’t been played live in almost 10 years, same as ITPOE. It feels like those are brand new. Time flies
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It’s crazy that ANTR hasn’t been played live in almost 10 years, same as ITPOE. It feels like those are brand new. Time flies
I was thinking that as well. How does time break down? With no marker, things slow down.
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Fun fact: this set contains all the songs they used for the drummer auditions.
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Fun fact: this set contains all the songs they used for the drummer auditions.
:biggrin:
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BTW, Jordan was posting videos from his tour preparations and a couple of them were for FITL, so it’s most likely one of the encore songs.
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I’ll be interested to see the encore. If they do just tracks from the new album, then why bother having us do that “What songs do you want to hear” thing.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m pumped to see them next week, that first set just has me kinda shrugging my shoulders.
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I can only imagine the encore will consist mostly of D/T. At Wit's End would be a fantastic set closer.
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I’ll be interested to see the encore. If they do just tracks from the new album, then why bother having us do that “What songs do you want to hear” thing.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m pumped to see them next week, that first set just has me kinda shrugging my shoulders.
I agree.
It would be simpler = act 1 d/t; act 2 SFAM; encore.
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I’ll be interested to see the encore. If they do just tracks from the new album, then why bother having us do that “What songs do you want to hear” thing.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m pumped to see them next week, that first set just has me kinda shrugging my shoulders.
I agree.
It would be simpler = act 1 d/t; act 2 SFAM; encore.
Agreed. This new album is amazing!!
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By my calculations, we should be at the encore in about 35-40 minutes. Not sure if my eyes can stay awake that long (it's 1:02am here). I may have to wake up and be surprised tomorrow morning! Argh...
-Marc.
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Pull Me Under starts the encore
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PMU starts the encore...not sure if there's more yet.
-Marc.
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Wow... I'm surprised given that they played I&W to death last tour. I'm hoping it's the only song from that album to appear again.
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PMU has been the only "meh" choice for me up to this moment. They could've gone a more interesting route with Under a Glass Moon or something to that extent.
That being said, I'm surprised they played something from I&W. I thought they'd be done with that for a while. Ah, hits will be hits I guess.
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I assume because he hasn’t tweeted in 15 min. that the show is over
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PMU has been the only "meh" choice for me up to this moment. They could've gone a more interesting route with Under a Glass Moon or something to that extent.
That being said, I'm surprised they played something from I&W. I thought they'd be done with that for a while. Ah, hits will be hits I guess.
Yeah I’m meh on it too, but it’s pretty rare for them NOT to play either Metropolis 1 or PMU
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Saw the pic of MM's kit. WOW the height of those cymbals! LOLOLOL
And just a single bass drum. ;)
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I assume because he hasn’t tweeted in 15 min. that the show is over
This would be kinda lame lol.
I mean, this is a long 2:30 show and the guys are not 35 anymore but I could've definitely used something cooler as an encore.
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I assume because he hasn’t tweeted in 15 min. that the show is over
Overall, somewhat disappointing.
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I’ve seen some pictures on Instagram and it looks like they do indeed have a giant screen behind them. I was curious if they’d drop the screens like they did on the last tour.
And yeah, I’m kinda underwhelmed by this set. We submitted this giant list of songs directly to the band, and I don’t think a single one made it on the set. Still looking forward to Scenes though. Home is one of my favorite songs
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My concern is no Surrender To Reason. They might end up never playing it.
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Pull Me Under-whelming.
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Yes disappointing.
I get you absolutely cannot please everyone but man...at least there’s SFaM
Thoughts:
-Missed an opportunity with not playing At Wit’s End. That song is meant to be played live and a clear fan favorite.
-Odd they didn’t play FItL - they’ve hyped the hell out of that song, I’m 99% certain it will show up in other shows
-Feel like Nightmare and Prescence of Enemies were most likely chosen because they are easier on LaBrie’s voice. I could probably sing ANtR and get away with it, and I’m no singer...
No Portnoy-centric songs beyond SFaM just as I predicted. Another tour with no Glass Prison.
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Isn't ANTR Portnoy-Centric?
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^^ Nope, written by JP. About a car crash in his past.
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Isn't ANTR Portnoy-Centric?
Lyrics were done by Petrucci. I guess by Portnoy-centric I meant either a 12 step song, or a lyrics by Portnoy. I suppose it’s Portnoy-ish with the growls and heaviness lol...
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I am pleased with ANTR and ITPOE Pt.I (although I don’t quite see why you would do only the first part, especially when it’s not the opener) but I agree with the sentiment about nothing from the submitted list. FITL missing is really odd. James said in Prog magazine that PMU was one song he was definite they weren’t going to do, he said something like no one needs to hear that one again.
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^^ Nope, written by JP. About a car crash in his past.
Yeah, I just thought that Volante99 was talking about songs featuring Portnoy prominently, as he referenced SFAM.
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On a positive note:
Excited that the big screen is back; backdrop looks cool, excited for the visuals.
Also saw a clip of “Home” from the show; LaBrie sounds strong! :metal
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Set One - Awesome. Will see that in a heartbeat. Set two - would love to see SFAM. Encore - Ruined it.
Set one’s problem is length. Should be a bit longer to fit in some classic songs (didn’t they say there’d be “classic” tunes. Kinda count the two songs from pre-D/T as deep cuts.). Another problem, the top two songs on this album after PBD were completely unplayed.
My issue lies in the fact that certain key elements of the shows were cut short. Usually, with the MM shows, you always get the extended guitar solo, a keyboard solo and a drum solo. The only one of these that can be fully accounted for on this setlist is the guitar solo which would be in Through Her Eyes. I don’t see the room for a keyboard solo, nor the drum solo outside of being embedded in Pale Blue Dot.
At Wit’s End would’ve been the perfect song for an extended solo for JP. S2N would’ve been great for a bass solo intro and keyboard solo outro. I don’t know where MM really can solo though.
I’m looking forward to seeing what can be brought by the rotating setlists. On to tomorrow’s show.
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I saw the clip too. It was pretty good but ...I felt his pitch was rough on all the high parts. It seems like the power is back and it's only one clip so we'll see. Excited about this tour though.
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https://youtu.be/pffSrUymjqQ (https://youtu.be/pffSrUymjqQ)
Here is a clip of Home. That stage setup looks cool. The video looks interesting too
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The screens and animations seem super cool. The stage looks neat.
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I saw the clip too. It was pretty good but ...I felt his pitch was rough on all the high parts. It seems like the power is back and it's only one clip so we'll see. Excited about this tour though.
I should say it’s strong...compared to what I heard during the last I&W anniversary tour. In any event LaBrie takes a few shows to warm up.
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I like the set list, I wouldn't mind seeing this show. Pull me under is a safe choice for the encore, but I get it, they need to throw casual fans the bone. Even though SFAM is a legendary album, some people probably don't listen to it in full religiously. And that first set is all "newer" stuff, so Pull me under is perfect way to close things off.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pffSrUymjqQ MM is far too close to Porty here, I was dissappointed. Had to throw up (mentally). He failed. Doesn't suffice at all to me. He failed.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pffSrUymjqQ MM is far too close to Porty here, I was dissappointed. Had to throw up (mentally). He failed. Doesn't suffice at all to me. He failed.
Not necessarily this particular one but some of your comments sail really close to the wind. What was it you said about Portnoy recently? Something about ruining early Dream Theater and you could barely listen to them solely because of him? Now you're 'mentally throwing up' regarding Mangini's performance and telling people "he failed". I think you might need to get a little perspective.
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You're right I guess. It's just that I always expect more notes to be played. I don't really know why. Probably because I'm focusing on the technical aspects of music only. (about the perspective quip: Yes, I'm still happy MM plays these pieces. I'm German though, we always complain, it's part of our constution :D I still don't know if I'm going to attend this tour though) Apart from all that, I do think James does a good job of Home here. (and it's only the first night of the tour)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pffSrUymjqQ MM is far too close to Porty here, I was dissappointed. Had to throw up (mentally). He failed. Doesn't suffice at all to me. He failed.
It's his first time to play the song. Wait when he gets to us here in Asia, it would be miles better already. :p
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Why the band always avoiding playing ITPOE pt 2? It's far better than pt1.
I wouldn't mind if they replace Pull Me Under into ITPOE pt 1 in set 1 and play ITPOE overall as an encore.
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I think it's just for practical considerations as a song as long as ITPOE 2 would take up a lot of time and would make it some sort of the center of attention of the show.
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Two things I noticed from pictures and video online already. No amps on stage, and Mangini is playing only one bass drum. Besides acoustic shows, that’s a first for DT. The single kick, that’s is.
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Two things I noticed from pictures and video online already. No amps on stage, and Mangini is playing only one bass drum. Besides acoustic shows, that’s a first for DT. The single kick, that’s is.
Well, JP hasn't had (real) amps on stage for years and years so no change there. Not sure about JM.
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Bought he has at least had fake ones. There is nothing now. That was only done on the SDOIT tour.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pffSrUymjqQ MM is far too close to Porty here, I was dissappointed. Had to throw up (mentally). He failed. Doesn't suffice at all to me. He failed.
Well, I strongly disagree.
Really love MM performance here.
If I had to make one critic, well, there are a couple of errors by JP (the build-up scale at 5.30 and 1 wrong chord at 5.58) but nothing serious.
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I don't understand why they're playing one long song and one epic as rarities on a tour where the entire second set is already a rarity. Save that for the regular tour. In that time they could fit two more DoT songs and two or three rarities that have a shorter run time.
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I don't understand why they're playing one long song and one epic as rarities on a tour where the entire second set is already a rarity. Save that for the regular tour. In that time they could fit two more DoT songs and two or three rarities that have a shorter run time.
I was just saying that.
And where's JP's amps? The right side of the stage looks quite empty even though they have this new stage setup which is cool!
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It wouldn't surprise me to see Fall Into The Light, Paralyzed, and maybe even S2N rotated in that spot from night to night since they're all in the 5-7 minute range and the guys hinted there might be some rotation going on this tour. Will have to see how much variation there is in these first few back to back shows.
Can't say I'm the biggest fan of Nightmare or BC&SL in general but on the 10th anniversary I expected at least something to be played. Looking forward to seeing it live nonetheles but the 16 mins could probably have been used in plenty of other ways too.
I loved ITPOE when I saw the full version back in 2007 so I can't wait to at least hear Part 1 again. That song rocks live and there are zero complaints from me on that one.
No S2N (at least not yet) is a bit of a bummer, but PMU for the encore is a bigger bummer. I was hoping for Octavarium most of all or at least another epic but I guess the set is pretty long as is and the highlight is clearly the new stuff and SFAM (all of which I am SUPER PUMPED to see don't get me wrong)
I'll be glued to the setlists for the next few shows because I don't think we've seen the whole story yet
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Kind of bummed that we won't get S2N. I wanted to hear the whole audience scream WOW.
Really don't know why they chose PMU as the encore. That song has been beaten to death and the last tour was specifically for I&W. I don't get it. I actually might bounce before it starts to beat traffic.
The rest of the set list is cool though. Act 1 is a little short, but what are you gonna do.
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I don't understand why they're playing one long song and one epic as rarities on a tour where the entire second set is already a rarity. Save that for the regular tour. In that time they could fit two more DoT songs and two or three rarities that have a shorter run time.
That's not the problem. The problem is cramming 80 minutes of SFAM into the set.
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I can understand the setlist choices in terms of the mindset of focusing on the "heavier" side of the band... But it is confusing to see PMU and a track as long as ANTR in there. Still, I'm sure I wouldn't complain if I were at the venue!
(if they only swapped out PMU for Blind Faith + Surrender to Reason, man...)
And yeah, on a second tour leg that isn't celebrating SFAM, I think we'll get a more innovative setlist somehow.
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I don't understand why they're playing one long song and one epic as rarities on a tour where the entire second set is already a rarity. Save that for the regular tour. In that time they could fit two more DoT songs and two or three rarities that have a shorter run time.
That's not the problem. The problem is cramming 80 minutes of SFAM into the set.
I don't see it as a problem, to many -including myself- SFAM has many songs that are among most common fan-favorites that carry the set. If you ignore the fact that it's "SFAM in it's entirety", you'll find this a show where they played Fatal Tragedy, Home, Eternity, Spirit, IPOE, ANTR, 4 new songs and oh.. some more SFAM songs, that's pretty fuckin sweet IMHO.
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Also, with all due respect to people talking about STR and Blind Faith, I don't fully get the yearning here. I mean I like Blind Faith for the instrumental section but I find it to be only studio-version likeable. And what is the gaga over STR? Is it the glamour of "they never played it live"? I find it to be of the same average quality as all the self-titled songs, sans the first and last tracks. Maybe I need to revisit it, it's been a while.
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No DT setlist could be bad but it's not close to what I would have liked. Playing all of SfaM makes it difficult - and I didn't get tickets for that reason - but other comments:
- I actually like having A Nightmare to Remember especially if this one is released on a live CD.
- ItPoE Part 1 isn't my favorite. Parts 1 and 2 would have been much better or part 2 alone.
- I love PMU but that as the only encore is very disappointing.
I think the combination of it being a new album tour, playing a lenghty complete album and having such a vast discography just doesn't work well. SfaM in it's entirety may have been better in an off album tour cycle then this tour could have added more from D/T and the back catalog.
Working with what they did, though, if they could have replaced the encore with either Octavarium or ItPoE Parts 1 & 2 and put something else in please of ItPoE Pt. 1 in Set 1.
Pale Blue Dot
A Nightmare to Remember
Barstool Cowboy
In the Presence of Enemies Parts 1 & 2
Untethered Angel (would prefer something else from D/T but working within the structure of what they did)
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SfaM
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encore - Octavarium
That's something that would have excited me and still kept the core of what they did. 3 epics and a complete album would be weird but still cool. It comes in a little long at around 2:20 + Octavarium so close to 3 hours. Cut out ItPoE Pt. 1 and it's about 55 minutes + SfaM + Octavarium which is doable.
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I really can see some sense in act.1 (and the encore) only if taken in perspective of the European summer tour, which will consist mostly in Festivals, where you have to show you’re cool and heavy, which is basically a promoting run for the following European tour. And those festivals gigs will be mostly act1 (I can see FITL popping up) + pull me under (aka the only well known song outside DT fanbase) + couple of songs from Scenes (where possibile).
I mean, it’s not bad by any means (I don’t like ANTR but I know JP is really into it), it’s just weird for an headlining tour.
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I don't understand why they're playing one long song and one epic as rarities on a tour where the entire second set is already a rarity. Save that for the regular tour. In that time they could fit two more DoT songs and two or three rarities that have a shorter run time.
That's not the problem. The problem is cramming 80 minutes of SFAM into the set.
I don't see it as a problem, to many -including myself- SFAM has many songs that are among most common fan-favorites that carry the set. If you ignore the fact that it's "SFAM in it's entirety", you'll find this a show where they played Fatal Tragedy, Home, Eternity, Spirit, IPOE, ANTR, 4 new songs and oh.. some more SFAM songs, that's pretty fuckin sweet IMHO.
Yeah, definitely. What I'm saying is that they're already dedicating 80 minutes to a twice-in-a-lifetime experience, so they should use the time of the main set to road test as many of the new songs as possible, and if they want to toss in a rarity there too, taking up 20 minutes with ANTR is a risky move. If someone isn't so hot about the second set (like our good friend TAC), and ANTR isn't on their bucket list, they're sitting this one out no questions asked.
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I'm just surprised at no AWE, S2N, or FITL. Arguably the 3 songs I was most excited to see live along with PBT.
SFAM is my favorite DT album so I will still be in music heaven no matter is played.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqFY5DlgIRQ
Regression
Overature 1928
Strange Deja vu
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Wow. Only 4 songs off the new album. :(
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Honestly, I'd consider sitting it out, except for the fact that I missed them the last three times through here. I wasn't going to miss them.
I get a lot of people love SFAM. So do I. It's my 2nd favorite DT album. Live Scenes From New York is my 2nd all time favorite live album.
But anyone bitching about what or wasn't played or how short or long the first set and the encores are has to acknowledge the role that playing all of SFAM played in it.
I feel like doing all of SFAM on the SECOND time through would've been fine. At least get a proper D/T tour first.
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I was really bummed about missing this tour due to them playing all of SFAM but after seeing that setlist I feel better. I've seen the majority of the SFAM songs over the years and I've already seeen all of the other songs minus the new ones. Hopefully they do another US leg with more of the new album and less of SC and BC&SL. They obviously wanted a heavier vibe but I'd prefer they lean on ToT.
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Also, with all due respect to people talking about STR and Blind Faith, I don't fully get the yearning here. I mean I like Blind Faith for the instrumental section but I find it to be only studio-version likeable. And what is the gaga over STR? Is it the glamour of "they never played it live"? I find it to be of the same average quality as all the self-titled songs, sans the first and last tracks. Maybe I need to revisit it, it's been a while.
These songs were among the most voted on the wishlist survey that bosk1 ran a few months back here. And they're just great songs that break out of the "heavy" mentaility of Set 1. It would've balanced things out, I believe.
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I feel like doing all of SFAM on the SECOND time through would've been fine. At least get a proper D/T tour first.
Honestly, I think this is caused by the few times their tour plans suddenly changed and they couldn't do what they originally planned but then put aside (in 2010, and then when they clearly wanted to do another round of TA but did IAW instead). If they know they want to do SFAM this year might as well get it out of the way first.
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Interesting set list.
-Only 4 new songs.
-No songs off any of the first three albums with Mangini.
-Pull Me Under as the encore? (I stand by my long-stated opinion that it is not a good encore, but more of a good opener)
-16 minutes dedicated to A Nightmare to Remember? (good song, but if you are going to spend that much time on one song, why not do it on a song fans are clamoring for like Glass Prison or In the Name of God?)
Don't get me wrong, any set list with Scenes is really good on the strength of that alone, but considering I saw them play it twice back in 2000, I am not bummed at all about not seeing them this leg. Hopefully, they will do a second US leg (is that the plan?) where Scenes as a whole has been scrapped and more new songs will get played.
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I love seeing ANTR and ITPoE pt1 (the better part IMO). However, this set does feel a bit lack luster. I'm not sure why, but I'm thinking no AWE or S2N is a big reason, plus a not interesting encore. I'd enjoy PMU at the end more if they tacked on like Viper King or FitL (a song from the D/T not played in set 1) first like some bands often include a new song as the first song in an encore.
I'm curious if they rotate songs, like maybe tonight they swap:
barstool warrior - Fall into the light
Pale Blue Dot - At Wits End
if they do that, I will make a good effort to see two shows. If this is the static set list, I don't think I'm dishing out the money for the NYC show or making the drive to Philly and just stick with my NJ show I already have a ticket for.
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Couple thoughts -
I'm not a fan of the set list. Honestly, as soon as I listened to D/T and liked it as much as I do, I knew I'd probably be underwhelmed with the set list on this tour because they are allocating so much time to playing SFAM, I figured that wouldn't leave a lot of time for new stuff. I was right.
The fact that they aren't playing songs like AWE, S2N, and FITL is criminal in my mind, those are incredibly strong DT songs. But, with SFAM taking up the majority of the run time of the show, they are really backed into a corner.
As for the staging of the show - it looks great, tons of production value and something different for the band, definitely a mini-Iron Maiden type set up. It's kinda weird to not see JP with his boogie cabs behind him (dummy ones or not) and without his signature foot rest things.
I was considering traveling 4 hours to see the tour since they aren't playing Pittsburgh, but I'm not sure now. I'd really like to see more D/T stuff, I think it's their strongest album in a long time and they just don't have available time in the set to represent it better, IMO.
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It's not too late to add those AWE, S2N, and FITL gentleman!
You could fit two of those in place of ANTR.
"never enough" right? haha
The show will be amazing no matter what they play but I was dying to see AWE and the middle section of FITL.
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Hopefully, they will do a second US leg (is that the plan?) where Scenes as a whole has been scrapped and more new songs will get played.
That would be awesome! I love Scenes, but I would rather see a tour more dedicated to all of d/t mixed with a few gems from their classic to modern era. If they do a second U.S. leg without Scenes, that would allow alot of room for a nice variety including one epic such as Octavarium. That might be a blessing in disguise for the cities that got missed on this leg of the tour. Seattle, Vancouver BC, Portland etc.
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My thoughts on the set so far:
- They didn't play any of the songs Bosk sent them :'(
- Most underwhelming encore ever. PMU should be shelved permanently, it's been played to death.
- As much as I love SFAM, I wish they didn't commit to playing it every show in full.
- I get they wanted to play another heavy, C tuning song after UA, but why ANTR and not ITNOG?
- Only 4 new songs is sad to see. Hope they don't do the SFAM thing for the other legs of the tour and that they focus on D/T more.
- Hope there's an A set and a B set like the ADTOE tour. We'll find out today.
- The stage design looks AMAZING.
Hope more videos appear in YouTube soon.
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Wow. Only 4 songs off the new album. :(
this is what I love about DT fans. a lot of other fans of other bands are mad when a band plays new songs instead of the hits. We (DT fans) want to hear all the new stuff and not the hit(s). (to be clear this is not sarcasm, I really love that we all want the new stuff)
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Interesting set list.
-Only 4 new songs.
-No songs off any of the first three albums with Mangini.
-Pull Me Under as the encore? (I stand by my long-stated opinion that it is not a good encore, but more of a good opener)
-16 minutes dedicated to A Nightmare to Remember? (good song, but if you are going to spend that much time on one song, why not do it on a song fans are clamoring for like Glass Prison or In the Name of God?)
Don't get me wrong, any set list with Scenes is really good on the strength of that alone, but considering I saw them play it twice back in 2000, I am not bummed at all about not seeing them this leg. Hopefully, they will do a second US leg (is that the plan?) where Scenes as a whole has been scrapped and more new songs will get played.
This closely matches my thinking. I was very surprised when I saw the setlist and the choices made. If they're doing rotating setlists and planning a second leg without SFAM, then it's less surprising.
If they bring the same set to Europe at some point, I'm not sure I'd go, especially if the tickets are expensive.
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Interesting set list.
-Only 4 new songs.
-No songs off any of the first three albums with Mangini.
-Pull Me Under as the encore? (I stand by my long-stated opinion that it is not a good encore, but more of a good opener)
-16 minutes dedicated to A Nightmare to Remember? (good song, but if you are going to spend that much time on one song, why not do it on a song fans are clamoring for like Glass Prison or In the Name of God?)
Don't get me wrong, any set list with Scenes is really good on the strength of that alone, but considering I saw them play it twice back in 2000, I am not bummed at all about not seeing them this leg. Hopefully, they will do a second US leg (is that the plan?) where Scenes as a whole has been scrapped and more new songs will get played.
Except for me seeing Scenes once in 2000 I agree 100%. Not as disappointed that I am not seeing them this tour. I love that they are doing all of SFAM, especially for people that didn't see it back in the day. Also it would be cool to see Mangini play it. Anyhow, I'm sure it will be a fun show they always do great.
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Hopefully, they will do a second US leg (is that the plan?) where Scenes as a whole has been scrapped and more new songs will get played.
That would be awesome! I love Scenes, but I would rather see a tour more dedicated to all of d/t mixed with a few gems from their classic to modern era. If they do a second U.S. leg without Scenes, that would allow alot of room for a nice variety including one epic such as Octavarium. That might be a blessing in disguise for the cities that got missed on this leg of the tour. Seattle, Vancouver BC, Portland etc.
I would love this, Pittsburgh isn't on the first leg, so if they came through again and did different markets without SFAM, that would be great.
It feels super weird to say that, I love SFAM, it's my second favorite DT record and one of my favorite records of all time. D/T is just fresh to me right now since it's the new stuff, and it's what I'm most excited to hear live.
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Set one really was what I expected. But I have to say, I don't like the non-DoT selections. Why play a 16 minute tune? Turn that into two or three shorter ones. Admittedly, I'm not really a fan of SC or BC&SL, but regardless, when you can get two songs in for the price of one, time-wise, they should do it, IMO. They have a ton of material, and while I know they like ANTR, its the longest tune in the set, and sorta makes it difficult to give the back catalog its due on a tour like this.
But other than not playing At Wit's End, I like the songs they chose from DoT. Really happy Barstool Warrior, PBD and Paralyzed are in there. :tup
I love SFAM, it's my second favorite DT record and one of my favorite records of all time. D/T is just fresh to me right now since it's the new stuff, and it's what I'm most excited to hear live.
Me too. I know the SFAM thing is also a marketing thing, to drive ticket sales. But I would have been really OK with a suite of SFAM, and them playing the entire new record and some old songs.
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I like that they're playing several new songs but the inclusion of ANTR is a concert killer for me. That song is way too freaking long and I do not want to spend 16 minutes of a show sitting through it. I don't like SFAM much either but I get why they're playing it... and then Pull Me Under. At first I was bummed I have to miss the Chicago date but now, not so much. ITPOE part 1 is really cool, I wonder why on Earth they chose ANTR instead of ITPOE part 2 which is infinitely cooler imo.
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I'm ecstatic to see SFAM in it's entirety because I never have and it's my #1 DT album. Some of the other choices are strange to me but.....
You can't please everyone haha.
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Thoughts:
- First set is a little shorter than I would have anticipated, but if that helps keep James in better shape then I won't begrudge them that.
- As far as the older songs in set 1, not what I personally would have chosen but they're fun and haven't been played to death recently.
- SFAM is my all time favorite album by any band and I wasn't a fan until after that touring cycle so I'm ecstatic to get to see the full album live (three times :D)
- The encore is a major disappointment. The only way I&W could have made it onto the setlist that I wouldn't have minded would have been closing set 1 with Metropolis Part 1. Wouldn't have been my preference, but I would have understood why/been OK with it. I *really* hope they change this or add a second song or something.
- That's about what I expected as far as number of new songs in the setlist given the SFAM portion of the show. I think they were saving some of the good material from D/T for a second tour that won't involve a whole set of SFAM.
- Weren't they supposed to be playing something to acknowledge Awake's anniversary this year?
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Wow. Only 4 songs off the new album. :(
this is what I love about DT fans. a lot of other fans of other bands are mad when a band plays new songs instead of the hits. We (DT fans) want to hear all the new stuff and not the hit(s). (to be clear this is not sarcasm, I really love that we all want the new stuff)
Yes, I agree that is very cool. I noticed most of the gripes was the lack of new songs which is more praise about how great the new album is. For me it would be like for the Rush Clock Work Angels Tour they did.
Caravan
Face Up
BU2B
Anarchist
Spin Drift
Headlong Flight
All of Moving Pictures
The Spirit of Radio
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I'm really glad to see ANTR, I love it and BC&SL never really got much love from a live perspective. ITPOE is also a good choice for me. Also how both these haven't been played for so long.
I suspect we'll get some rotation on a few songs. Like the setlist A and setlist B they did for the ADTOE tour.
PMU for a closer? Not so much.
The stage setup looks awesome!
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I love SFAM, it's my second favorite DT record and one of my favorite records of all time. D/T is just fresh to me right now since it's the new stuff, and it's what I'm most excited to hear live.
Me too. I know the SFAM thing is also a marketing thing, to drive ticket sales. But I would have been really OK with a suite of SFAM, and them playing the entire new record and some old songs.
I totally agree.
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I would rather view the choices from this lens:
They included ANTR as some sort of nod to the tenth year anniversary of BC&SL.
ITPOE is one of the few songs they haven't played yet with Mangini, and it suits his drumming style.
The selection of the songs from D/T is actually similar as what they did in the AFTR tour. In that tour, they only played the singles plus IT. At least in this set, they played two songs that are not among the singles.
The decision to play the whole of SFAM I put down to two things. One, they want it to draw old fans who have not yet heard the new songs. Two, I think this is their last chance to play their most acclaimed album in its entirety, as the next milestone anniversaries of SFAM, I get the feeling that they know that their time is almost up given their age.
PMU as an encore? That I don't get also. Maybe they just don't have enough time to rehearse a different song.
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Thoughts:
- First set is a little shorter than I would have anticipated, but if that helps keep James in better shape then I won't begrudge them that.
- As far as the older songs in set 1, not what I personally would have chosen but they're fun and haven't been played to death recently.
- SFAM is my all time favorite album by any band and I wasn't a fan until after that touring cycle so I'm ecstatic to get to see the full album live (three times :D)
- The encore is a major disappointment. The only way I&W could have made it onto the setlist that I wouldn't have minded would have been closing set 1 with Metropolis Part 1. Wouldn't have been my preference, but I would have understood why/been OK with it. I *really* hope they change this or add a second song or something.
- That's about what I expected as far as number of new songs in the setlist given the SFAM portion of the show. I think they were saving some of the good material from D/T for a second tour that won't involve a whole set of SFAM.
- Weren't they supposed to be playing something to acknowledge Awake's anniversary this year?
They did a big Awake thing back in 2014 for the 20th anniversary. Then again they did a mini-SFAM tribute for the encore that year too so at some point they have to get away from anniversary stuff. It's also the 10th anniversary of BC&SL which is why I'm guessing Nightmare was pulled out.
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I would rather view the choices from this lens:
They included ANTR as some sort of nod to the tenth year anniversary of BC&SL.
ITPOE is one of the few songs they haven't played yet with Mangini, and it suits his drumming style.
The selection of the songs from D/T is actually similar as what they did in the AFTR tour. In that tour, they only played the singles plus IT. At least in this set, they played two songs that are not among the singles.
The decision to play the whole of SFAM I put down to two things. One, they want it to draw old fans who have not yet heard the new songs. Two, I think this is their last chance to play their most acclaimed album in its entirety, as the next milestone anniversaries of SFAM, I get the feeling that they know that their time is almost up given their age.
PMU as an encore? That I don't get also. Maybe they just don't have enough time to rehearse a different song.
I think that is a good point about rehearsing. Maybe they didn't have enough time to rehearse the new material yet. Pale Blue Dot is probably very challenging to play live and took up a lot of rehearsal time.
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Thoughts:
- First set is a little shorter than I would have anticipated, but if that helps keep James in better shape then I won't begrudge them that.
- As far as the older songs in set 1, not what I personally would have chosen but they're fun and haven't been played to death recently.
- SFAM is my all time favorite album by any band and I wasn't a fan until after that touring cycle so I'm ecstatic to get to see the full album live (three times :D)
- The encore is a major disappointment. The only way I&W could have made it onto the setlist that I wouldn't have minded would have been closing set 1 with Metropolis Part 1. Wouldn't have been my preference, but I would have understood why/been OK with it. I *really* hope they change this or add a second song or something.
- That's about what I expected as far as number of new songs in the setlist given the SFAM portion of the show. I think they were saving some of the good material from D/T for a second tour that won't involve a whole set of SFAM.
- Weren't they supposed to be playing something to acknowledge Awake's anniversary this year?
They did a big Awake thing back in 2014 for the 20th anniversary. Then again they did a mini-SFAM tribute for the encore that year too so at some point they have to get away from anniversary stuff. It's also the 10th anniversary of BC&SL which is why I'm guessing Nightmare was pulled out.
Oh I know they did the Awake thing a few years ago, I just had it in my head that someone had said in an interview that they'd do at least one Awake song this time around to acknowledge this anniversary. As much as I love Awake, I'm fine with them not doing something for 25 years since they just did something for 20 years, I just thought they were for some reason.
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You can't please everyone haha.
I don't think most of us are displeased, we're just thrown in confusion. There's several songs they have never played with Mangini, they went for twenty five minutes for two songs that aren't exactly popular or requested. In the meantime, they have had better reception for their new album from both fans and non fans than they ever had in the Mangini era and possibly the tail ends of the MP era - even if I'm wrong, at least it's better received than The Astonishing, and that one kinda stung them, so I assume they're ecstatic not to have such polarized reception this time. Maybe they should play as many of those tunes as they possibly can to see which ones are great for the road. Just my opinion. Maybe we're all wrong and they rotate new songs or old songs tonight.
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I fully expect the first set to have rotating songs.
But I'm with Mora - after the polarizing reception of The Astonishing, and getting almost a universal thumb's up for Distance Over Time, I just expected more tunes from it (which would be absolutely perfect as far as I'm concerned). I'm not disappointed, but as Mora said, its a little confusing how they did that first set, at least for the first night. We'll see what's in store for night two.
I do need to ask though - why Pull Me Under for the encore? Especially after two big tour legs playing it every night? Why not do an Awake suite as the encore as a nod to the anniversary? They could put in Voices, or Scarred. If they wanted to go short, then just do Lie and The Mirror, and maybe wrap things up with S2N as a further push of the new album.
Either way, I am very excited for Sunday. All of this, at least for me, is not complaining at all. Just wondering what they are thinking. I'm ecstatic to see a support tour for an album I've grown to love again from Dream Theater. Finally. :)
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Some of us are displeased. That's just plain awful. Sheesh.
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You can't please everyone haha.
I don't think most of us are displeased, we're just thrown in confusion. There's several songs they have never played with Mangini, they went for twenty five minutes for two songs that aren't exactly popular or requested. In the meantime, they have had better reception for their new album from both fans and non fans than they ever had in the Mangini era and possibly the tail ends of the MP era - even if I'm wrong, at least it's better received than The Astonishing, and that one kinda stung them, so I assume they're ecstatic not to have such polarized reception this time. Maybe they should play as many of those tunes as they possibly can to see which ones are great for the road. Just my opinion. Maybe we're all wrong and they rotate new songs or old songs tonight.
After seeing this my hunch is that they're planning on a proper D/T tour where they'll actually support the album. That's a pretty solid plan, honestly. Doesn't really explain why this one is so terrible, though.
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I'm not displeased. Pull Me Under is their milestone, I understand that but putting in encore is a joke. Metropolis fits better encore concept. Or, put PMU in set 1 and play ITPOE with two parts as an encore. At least we literally have an epic encore.
But as it is I like the setlist. SFAM is enough.
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Some of us are displeased. That's just plain awful. Sheesh.
Understandable. But set one is, no pun intended, a nightmare. There's almost no way to please everyone with a set like that, unless you have three rotating set ones. And maybe they do!
Fingers-crossed those displeased are happier after we see what they play tonight. I just hope Barstool Warrior, Paralyzed and A Pale Blue Dot remain. Those are three out of my top-five on the record (the others being At Wit's End and Signal to Noise).
But I gotta say -- I think Metropolis Pt. 1 should always precede Regression.
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I haven't seen a 6DOIT song in a while... would be nice to see them throw in Glass Prison or Great Debate.
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My only gripe about the set would be not including At Wits End. That would be like THE perfect encore song to end the show. Hopefully they can also include/rotate S2N with Barstool Warrior.
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They could have fit 3-4 more songs in if they took out Nightmare... 1-2 more if they got rid of ITPOE.
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I haven't seen a 6DOIT song in a while... would be nice to see them throw in Glass Prison or Great Debate.
That is what baffles me a little. If they were going to dedicated 16-17 minutes to a single song, why not play Glass Prison or In the Name of God? I believe both finished high on that list of songs fans want to hear that was given to the band.
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They could have fit 3-4 more songs in if they took out Nightmare... 1-2 more if they got rid of ITPOE.
I am fine with ITPOE Part 1 getting played. The first five minutes is all instrumental, so it helps JLB's voice by giving it a little break there later in the first set.
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Not overly thrilled about ANTR but am fine with everything else on the set list......and as has been mentioned, PMU as an encore is an odd choice being that it's been played a bazillion times. ANY other song would have made more sense but oh well. Still looking forward to seeing them in less than a month.
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- Most underwhelming encore ever. PMU should be shelved permanently, it's been played to death.
Agreed, it's fuckin Enter Sandman at this point.
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Wow. Only 4 songs off the new album. :(
this is what I love about DT fans. a lot of other fans of other bands are mad when a band plays new songs instead of the hits. We (DT fans) want to hear all the new stuff and not the hit(s). (to be clear this is not sarcasm, I really love that we all want the new stuff)
Yes, I agree that is very cool. I noticed most of the gripes was the lack of new songs which is more praise about how great the new album is. For me it would be like for the Rush Clock Work Angels Tour they did.
Caravan
Face Up
BU2B
Anarchist
Spin Drift
Headlong Flight
All of Moving Pictures
The Spirit of Radio
Yeah, but with that set listed, if Rush done it that way, there's still like another hour of space for them to fill with all kinds of interesting stuff. Moving Pictures is only 40 minutes.
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I love seeing ANTR and ITPoE pt1 (the better part IMO). However, this set does feel a bit lack luster. I'm not sure why, but I'm thinking no AWE or S2N is a big reason, plus a not interesting encore. I'd enjoy PMU at the end more if they tacked on like Viper King or FitL (a song from the D/T not played in set 1) first like some bands often include a new song as the first song in an encore.
I'm curious if they rotate songs, like maybe tonight they swap:
barstool warrior - Fall into the light
Pale Blue Dot - At Wits End
if they do that, I will make a good effort to see two shows. If this is the static set list, I don't think I'm dishing out the money for the NYC show or making the drive to Philly and just stick with my NJ show I already have a ticket for.
I don't think Pale Blue Dot is going anywhere for the next year or so, judging by how fond of it JR and JP are.
I also don't think it's gonna be static setlist, I think the encore for sure if gonna rotate. Possibly Nightmare and Enemies as well.
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No way I'm paying $150 (current extortion prices on stubhub for NYC) to skip the first set. Totally disappointed in both stubhub extorters as well as the lack of pre-Rudess material. And don't care for any of the songs in the first set at all. :-\
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Isn't PMU just about the worst decision (maybe short of TTT) for James' voice after a 2-hour set?
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I haven't seen a 6DOIT song in a while... would be nice to see them throw in Glass Prison or Great Debate.
I expected one too. Maybe tonight!
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We shall see, tonight. I will be there. Almost considered not going, but Ticketmaster had a Holiday Hangover deal where seats in the very far back in the floor was $26.00. I nabbed that right away. Not too thrilled with the first set, aside from the Distance Over Time songs, second set is as advertised. Only one song in the encore, and Pull Me Under nonetheless, is a bit disappointing, but it should be a good night anyway.
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I haven't seen a 6DOIT song in a while... would be nice to see them throw in Glass Prison or Great Debate.
That is what baffles me a little. If they were going to dedicated 16-17 minutes to a single song, why not play Glass Prison or In the Name of God? I believe both finished high on that list of songs fans want to hear that was given to the band.
Maybe they are just going with the more popular song? In Spotify, ANTR has more than 3.5M plays, compared to ITNOG and TGP which has less than 2.5M.
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FYI, this was the set they did the last tour (couple of dates in South America back in 2005) they played SFAM in its entirety.
Switch songs from Octavarium and JLMB with those from D/T, and you got a perfectly fine, heavy and much cooler (imho) setlist.
The Glass Prison
Just Let Me Breathe
The Mirror
Lie
The Answer Lies Within
These Walls
Never Enough
In the Name of God
Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From A Memory
Regression
Overture 1928
Strange Déjà Vu
Through My Words
Fatal Tragedy
Beyond This Life
Through Her Eyes
Home
The Dance of Eternity
One Last Time
The Spirit Carries On
Finally Free
Encore:
Pull Me Under / Metropolis Pt. 1
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Well, these fans who actually watched the show seem to have enjoyed it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/b3ncpv/san_diego_concert_review/
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Well, these fans who actually watched the show seem to have enjoyed it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/b3ncpv/san_diego_concert_review/
Yes, I am glad you put that. I am not thrilled with the set list personally, but who cares? I'm glad people loved the show and I'm sure it was and will be amazing.
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Wow. Only 4 songs off the new album. :(
this is what I love about DT fans. a lot of other fans of other bands are mad when a band plays new songs instead of the hits. We (DT fans) want to hear all the new stuff and not the hit(s). (to be clear this is not sarcasm, I really love that we all want the new stuff)
Yes, I agree that is very cool. I noticed most of the gripes was the lack of new songs which is more praise about how great the new album is. For me it would be like for the Rush Clock Work Angels Tour they did.
Caravan
Face Up
BU2B
Anarchist
Spin Drift
Headlong Flight
All of Moving Pictures
The Spirit of Radio
Yeah, but with that set listed, if Rush done it that way, there's still like another hour of space for them to fill with all kinds of interesting stuff. Moving Pictures is only 40 minutes.
Good point. :) Maybe they could play the 6 songs off D/T that wasn't played.
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I couldn't be happier with this set list. I'm glad to see Nightmare and Presence so we can give some respect to the "late Portnoy" era. With Barstool Warrier and Pale Blue Dot, we get to see some of the best Mangini from D/T. This is going to be such a fun night!
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Well, these fans who actually watched the show seem to have enjoyed it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/b3ncpv/san_diego_concert_review/
Yes, I am glad you put that. I am not thrilled with the set list personally, but who cares? I'm glad people loved the show and I'm sure it was and will be amazing.
Interestingly, one of his comments said they had a curfew of 11 pm.
If this is not the standard for all venues, it's possible they might squeeze a couple more songs into Act I
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Well I was gonna wait til my show next week, but Blabbermouth ruined the setlist for me 😒
Anyway, I’m as shocked as everyone about the setlist. ANTR and ITPOE are interesting choices, haven’t heard those in a while! Surprised that the first set is so short, and yes, PMU as the encore is very disappointing. I’d be fine with the shorter first half if they played Octavarium as the encore instead, but what can you do. We’ll see tonight whether there are rotating sets!
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I would be totally happy if they keep INTPOE part1 even for the second leg, it's not too long and it's a great rocker! I'm all for replacing ANTR with two d/t songs.
I'm wondering if PMU is a business decision, being that it is the song that really put them on the map. The average DT fan outside of the hardcore realm would be waiting to hear it live. Management or the label could have given them a nudge to play it,, plus it is a great song! It's kind of like Tom Sawyer is a must play for RUSH no matter what..
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To me, some baffling choices there. It's not April 1st is it??
If you took the 25 minutes wasted on those 2 "epics", we could have At Wit's End, Surrender to Reason, and something from one of Mangini's other albums. Oh well. I do understand that there isn't time for a long encore, so PMU works although most are plenty sick of it.
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I think DTF's tastes do not necessarily reflect the bigger fanbase, given the enthusiastic reaction I see from a lot of Facebook posts on ANTR and ITPOE (and yes, even PMU).
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This video was posted at the Dream Theater Latino FB page, apparently is the INTRO of the concert, does anyone can verify it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIM78Fyo9_4
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I think DTF's tastes do not necessarily reflect the bigger fanbase, given the enthusiastic reaction I see from a lot of Facebook posts on ANTR and ITPOE (and yes, even PMU).
BINGO!
Bloody hell, I can't believe I just agreed with you on something :lol
But yes, I think you're absolutely right. People here are so passionate about DT that they forget DTF is really just a rather small part of DT's fandom. That said, goodness me, I could do without hearing Pull Me Under again (ever again, frankly!).
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This video was posted at the Dream Theater Latino FB page, apparently is the INTRO of the concert, does anyone can verify it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIM78Fyo9_4
This is legit. I saw them last night.
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Wow... I just re-listed to ITPOE. It has been a while. I can't believe they can play the first 2 minutes of that live. Tightest band ever! Can't wait :metal
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This video was posted at the Dream Theater Latino FB page, apparently is the INTRO of the concert, does anyone can verify it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIM78Fyo9_4
This is legit. I saw them last night.
Very cool. I immediately pressed play on Untethered Angel, and it sounds perfect since they're in the same key
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This video was posted at the Dream Theater Latino FB page, apparently is the INTRO of the concert, does anyone can verify it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIM78Fyo9_4
That's pretty cool.
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I think Pull me under is the perfect choice for the encore song for several reasons. Here's my take on it:
1. Performing a really heavy first set and then an entire album as the second set must be exhausting. For this reason, it would be more comfortable and kind for the band to perform one of their less challenging songs at the very end, one that they really don't have to worry about nailing, since they've played it a thousand times. I think James especially appreciates this, Pull me under was probably the easiest song for him to deliver on the last tour, of all I&W songs.
2. The band is still recovering from the venture of performing an entire new album for a whole year of touring. I can imagine the tour took a toll on the band financially and in terms of some fans being put off by it. I don't think the I&W tour completely solved this. Yes, it did help, but they still need to make sure they include something for the casual fans. Not all the fans are familiar with the last ten years of the band, and not everyone that comes to the concert has religiously listened to the entire SFAM over the years. Therefore, it's great to throw a bone to the people that aren't fans of the entire discography.
3. Given that the second set is almost 80 minutes long, it's obvious why the band decided to play only one, relatively short song as the encore. And if you go back through the catalog, there are only a handful of songs that are such smash hits that they work well as being the only encore song. As I am and Metropolis come to mind as the only alternatives, and even the latter is a stretch.
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I am about to pull the trigger on a ticket for the March 28th show in St Paul at the Ordway Theater. Perfect acoustics. I've been hemming and hawing about going and will go alone. I like going to DT shows alone and mingle with like-minded music lovers. There are 2 tix, row 10 left on the main floor. Going to buy it now! See yuz there!
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I think Pull me under is the perfect choice for the encore song for several reasons. Here's my take on it:
1. Performing a really heavy first set and then an entire album as the second set must be exhausting. For this reason, it would be more comfortable and kind for the band to perform one of their less challenging songs at the very end, one that they really don't have to worry about nailing, since they've played it a thousand times. I think James especially appreciates this, Pull me under was probably the easiest song for him to deliver on the last tour, of all I&W songs.
2. The band is still recovering from the venture of performing an entire new album for a whole year of touring. I can imagine the tour took a toll on the band financially and in terms of some fans being put off by it. I don't think the I&W tour completely solved this. Yes, it did help, but they still need to make sure they include something for the casual fans. Not all the fans are familiar with the last ten years of the band, and not everyone that comes to the concert has religiously listened to the entire SFAM over the years. Therefore, it's great to throw a bone to the people that aren't fans of the entire discography.
3. Given that the second set is almost 80 minutes long, it's obvious why the band decided to play only one, relatively short song as the encore. And if you go back through the catalog, there are only a handful of songs that are such smash hits that they work well as being the only encore song. As I am and Metropolis come to mind as the only alternatives, and even the latter is a stretch.
I agree with this take.
As I said earlier, I don't think Pull Me Under works well as an encore, but I won't quibble with its inclusion in the set in general.
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Anybody see any pics of the merch booth?
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I would prefer In the Name of God as an encore
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Anybody see any pics of the merch booth?
There's a Reddit post showing the shirts, I don't have the link off hand. There are a handful of D/T designs plus the original SFAM album cover shirt
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Anybody see any pics of the merch booth?
There's a Reddit post showing the shirts, I don't have the link off hand. There are a handful of D/T designs plus the original SFAM album cover shirt
Gotchu
(https://preview.redd.it/qn0ydb1etdn21.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=db301edece7334ecbb47c460c0033915f645a061)
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I like the white shirt. Blends nicely with the skull and hand.
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I like the white shirt. Blends nicely with the skull and hand.
Same. I'll probably pick up one of those and the SFAM shirt.
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I am about to pull the trigger on a ticket for the March 28th show in St Paul at the Ordway Theater. Perfect acoustics. I've been hemming and hawing about going and will go alone. I like going to DT shows alone and mingle with like-minded music lovers. There are 2 tix, row 10 left on the main floor. Going to buy it now! See yuz there!
I'll be there! 5th on the Petrucci side.
Ordway is about the only place in the Twin Cities I've never been...is it nice? Good acoustics?
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I would love that not all the official merch would be black. I like what bands as the FOOs have done with their merch. They have other of colors to chose from same for other bands as HAKEN or Riverside
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Anybody see any pics of the merch booth?
There's a Reddit post showing the shirts, I don't have the link off hand. There are a handful of D/T designs plus the original SFAM album cover shirt
Gotchu
(https://preview.redd.it/qn0ydb1etdn21.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=db301edece7334ecbb47c460c0033915f645a061)
Thanks....I like the black skull one and the FitL one. And the Scenes shirt of course
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Not picking on DT specifically, it’s a concert, prices are silly, I get it, but $30 for a beanie? Ha
Also I like the $5 upcharge on the XXL...because, you know, the 400% markup on the regular sizes isn’t enough to cover the $0.50 upcharge they are paying for that size. :P
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Been only skimming... No thoughts on the Scenes video screen visuals?
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Is the FITL one a women's shirt? The Mrs. may want one, but only if it is a woman's cut.
I like the black skull one and SFAM. May have to get both.
I pre-ordered the tourbook on dreamtheater.net after seeing this.
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Been only skimming... No thoughts on the Scenes video screen visuals?
Speaking of the video screen, what are all those lines/triangles on it? Kinda distracting, I think.
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Does anyone know if the band played any song with a different arrangement compared to the studio version?
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They play with click as the album. Little bit low energy. Probably because their first show. They have to change the first set. More short songs! :rollin.
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I kind of wish they snuck a TA song in the first set. Like moment of betrayal or something on the heavier side of TA. I just hate how they've already stopped playing songs from it. I know a song like ITPOE is more fresh but the TA songs are short and it felt like maybe they could sneak one in and maybe win some fans over on that album by playing one of the heavier songs. Oh well, just hope this lack of TA doesnt extent much longer that this becomes the album DT never goes back to.
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I would never have picked ANTR, but I get why they did.
But PMU is a mystery and a disappointment. It's been played to death, including every single stop of the last tour, and it was part of the encore on the Astonishing tour as well, if memory serves. I would prefer almost ANY other DT song as an encore over PMU.
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Its only one show. If they mix it up a little, it will be fine. If they play exact set for every single date then that would kinda be a bummer, but I doubt they will, given the great new songs they didn't play last night. If paralyzed or ANTR is play on every show of this tour then I would be a little let down. I just dont' think they are going to do that. And SFAM as the whole second set, thats awesome no matter what.
There, I have defended DT. So now play In The Name of God as the encore.
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I liked a lot ANTR and INTPoE, I just whish we have more 2 songs from D/T.
And I think it would be cool MM to do a solo at the end of Finally Free and then play that finale from Live Scenes :tup
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And I think it would be cool MM to do a solo at the end of Finally Free and then play that finale from Live Scenes :tup
That would be great, I really love that finale!
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They should Swap out Nightmare to Remember for Panic Attack, Paralyzed for Wits End/FItL and drop Pull Me Under for a quickie encore of Viper Kinq! I can understand not wanting one more Epic after SFAM and all that came before it.
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Surprised there aren't more YT vids. Is Insideout taking them down? Sorry if against rules to ask that question...
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I kind of wish they snuck a TA song in the first set. Like moment of betrayal or something on the heavier side of TA. I just hate how they've already stopped playing songs from it. I know a song like ITPOE is more fresh but the TA songs are short and it felt like maybe they could sneak one in and maybe win some fans over on that album by playing one of the heavier songs. Oh well, just hope this lack of TA doesnt extent much longer that this becomes the album DT never goes back to.
I could not agree more. Our New World is the closest thing they have to a straight-forward riff rock song and is a natural live tune. If they miss the boat and avoid playing that live any time soon, that will be a damn shame.
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Surprised there aren't more YT vids. Is Insideout taking them down? Sorry if against rules to ask that question...
I think someone mentioned that security wasn't letting them use their cell phones. From what you can see from the crowd in the two videos we have I don't see anyone with their phone out.
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From JP FB page:
(https://i.ibb.co/XpV8hTh/53071305-2456371624414835-7710189062006505472-n.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wCYs919)
That looks soooooo cool!
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From JP FB page:
That looks soooooo cool!
Sure is!
Also there are some great pictures on DT FB from the concert taken by this guy: https://www.instagram.com/alexdrumming/
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In line at the Wiltern an hour early before doors open. I’m near the front of the entrance. Now we wait.
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In line at the Wiltern an hour early before doors open. I’m near the front of the entrance. Now we wait.
If you could keep us update in real time, that would be awesome
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I’ll see what I can do. The most you would get out of me is an update during intermission
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So I'm assuming they played the song videos during the concert. I hope they didn't use the bad robot version of Paralyed :facepalm:
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I’ll see what I can do. The most you would get out of me is an update during intermission
Just enjoy the show! You can post later afterwards or even wait til tomorrow, time to take it all in. In otherwords, don't worry about updating or being a slave to your phone. Your about to witness something great! :tup
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I'll post if anything is different from last night. No zen riffer in sight suggests that S2N will not make the cut.
EDIT: Jordan plays the Zen Riffer all over the place, but still no S2N. Keith brought out the Zen from off stage.
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Since this is a spoiler section i will report that untethered angel skips the intro and jumps right into the heavy riff. Or so i was told.
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I’m at my seat it may be far back, but at least it is centered. That’s it for me until intermission
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqFY5DlgIRQ
What was that at 7.49 mark?
:lol
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqFY5DlgIRQ
What was that at 7.49 mark?
:lol
Someone in the audience stepped on a cat?!?!? ;D
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So curious if any changes.
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At intermission. No changes, band is playing really well. Sounds loud and clear. Now the bad news. My view is blocked which makes it hard to see the entire stage clearly and there’s a lot of tall people in front making it hard to see JP clearly.
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So the rotating sets seems to so far be inaccurate. Here’s hoping that Pull Ms Under is pulled out of the show tonight.
How are they doing the MP Growl? Knowing that they re-recorded a lot of Mike’s parts makes me very curious if James or John are gonna sing that part live.
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Another tour where SDOIT and 8vm are neglected 😞
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Another tour where SDOIT and 8vm are neglected 😞
Yeah, would seem that way. Panic Attack would’ve been a perfect follow-up to Paralyzed. Wasted potential
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Is it the same setlist? :omg:
Bring MP back...
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At intermission. No changes, band is playing really well. Sounds loud and clear. Now the bad news. My view is blocked which makes it hard to see the entire stage clearly and there’s a lot of tall people in front making it hard to see JP clearly.
Thanks for the update! A bit of a bummer that they’re playing the same set, but it’s a DT concert, so it’s great anyway.
Hoping they change the encore, though.
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I’m wondering if you need to see two shows in the same city to see any different songs. If it continues to be the same setlist tomorrow, the band has misinformed us about a major part of this set that people are coming to see.
Still, I’m happy enough with that setlist, minus PMU. Just wish S2N, AWE or FItL was in there.
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I’m wondering if you need to see two shows in the same city to see any different songs. If it continues to be the same setlist tomorrow, the band has misinformed us about a major part of this set that people are coming to see.
Still, I’m happy enough with that setlist, minus PMU. Just wish S2N, AWE or FItL was in there.
Sorry, which part have they misinformed us on? The Awake part?
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I’m wondering if you need to see two shows in the same city to see any different songs. If it continues to be the same setlist tomorrow, the band has misinformed us about a major part of this set that people are coming to see.
Still, I’m happy enough with that setlist, minus PMU. Just wish S2N, AWE or FItL was in there.
Sorry, which part have they misinformed us on? The Awake part?
Talking about rotating sets.
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I think it's likely they'll change the set up a bit for the second night in a row at the same venue... but even if they don't, it's still a great show.
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Another tour where SDOIT and 8vm are neglected 😞
Yeah, as a SDOIT lover it was long since that album got any attention at all. How is Glass Prison still not being played?
Other than that I think the set is very heavy rocking which I like. It's most likely gonna be awesome too see live and James are gonna do these songs fantastic!
But remind me why we have SFAM anniversary again? I love the album but it was just two tours since last for SFAM and previous was I&W. At one point I just hope they stop with the anniversary thingy for a while. At least do like last time and keep it in shorter chunks.
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All right, I'm back from the LA show. Overall, I say I had a great time and that it was easily worth the $25.00 that Ticketmaster offered on the Holiday Hangover deal. That stated, I, in good conscience, cannot call it a perfect concert, for me, like I thought Within Temptation, last Tuesday at the same place as DT today, was close to a perfect concert (which had been for a long time reserved for three shows that I really loved), which I still need to post that long review of that show in the Within Temptation thread. More on my thoughts of the DT show in a couple of hours after I recover from the drive home.
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I kind of wish they snuck a TA song in the first set. Like moment of betrayal or something on the heavier side of TA. I just hate how they've already stopped playing songs from it. I know a song like ITPOE is more fresh but the TA songs are short and it felt like maybe they could sneak one in and maybe win some fans over on that album by playing one of the heavier songs. Oh well, just hope this lack of TA doesnt extent much longer that this becomes the album DT never goes back to.
What do you mean by already? They played two songs from it pretty much throughout all of the I&W tour last year. They did ignore the album this time around, but there are eight more albums from which not a single song was played last night.
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PARALYZED: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8x1bXAnCnM
PALE BLUE .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtkDzjBOGvw
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Is it the same setlist? :omg:
Bring MP back...
Oh, come on, FFS, none of that. Let it go.
Open your heart, be set free.
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PARALYZED: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8x1bXAnCnM
Why is there a backing track of LaBrie's vocals underneath the last chorus? It's exactly the same vocal line, it's not even the harmony.
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PMU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifPCGqgVWJE
DANCE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVJP83EBTE
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PMU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifPCGqgVWJE
DANCE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TVJP83EBTE
1928 - BTL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aap1R5U9LP8
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PARALYZED: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8x1bXAnCnM
PALE BLUE .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtkDzjBOGvw
PBD is absolutely out of this world, such tight playing! Also Manginis cymbal placement made sense in a recording environment, but live? ;D. His shoulder must hurt like hell playing this kind of music every other night. I get a feeling that is just a mangini thing to keep himself busy learning different techniques and positions :o
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PBD is absolutely out of this world, such tight playing!
Yeah, watching Mangini is freakin' enjoyable as hell. Petruccinator's system.exe stopped working a couple of times though ;)
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I am about to pull the trigger on a ticket for the March 28th show in St Paul at the Ordway Theater. Perfect acoustics. I've been hemming and hawing about going and will go alone. I like going to DT shows alone and mingle with like-minded music lovers. There are 2 tix, row 10 left on the main floor. Going to buy it now! See yuz there!
I'll be there! 5th on the Petrucci side.
Ordway is about the only place in the Twin Cities I've never been...is it nice? Good acoustics?
Very nice. They recently opened it up for 'concert series' in past few years. It's been mostly for theater/plays/shows in the past. Great acoustics. Smaller venue than the State or Orpheum. Very nice venue though in a very nice part of downtown St Paul. :metal
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How is the audience volume so far? Are they playing with full houses?
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PDB must be a good song to finally remove any doubts on Mangini. Holy hell! :D
(the intro with Mangini is pure heavy rocking goosebumps! :metal)
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It's only the second concert so he will certainly get into the groove, but there's an uncharacteristic amount of flubs by JP in those videos.
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It's only the second concert so he will certainly get into the groove, but there's an uncharacteristic amount of flubs by JP in those videos.
Yeah, i noticed that...
In Home a wrong chord and a couple of messed-up scales, and even in PGD many passages from lead to rhythm are not fluid at all...
A bit surprising, let's see if it's just a problem of getting acquainted with the "new" material..
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BTW in regards to PMU. When watching the I&W anniversary tour I think it was pretty clear how good response that song gets live. TBH it was my favorite (except Surrounded) live and rarely the song I enjoy most on the actual CD. The other songs are more focused listening experiences but no where as fun, groovy and catchy for the overall audience. I think it's a nice song to end with energy, otherwise ofc 8V would have been the perfect choice if you want to end with nirvana feeling! :angel:
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I kind of wish they snuck a TA song in the first set. Like moment of betrayal or something on the heavier side of TA. I just hate how they've already stopped playing songs from it. I know a song like ITPOE is more fresh but the TA songs are short and it felt like maybe they could sneak one in and maybe win some fans over on that album by playing one of the heavier songs. Oh well, just hope this lack of TA doesnt extent much longer that this becomes the album DT never goes back to.
What do you mean by already? They played two songs from it pretty much throughout all of the I&W tour last year. They did ignore the album this time around, but there are eight more albums from which not a single song was played last night.
They dropped the TA songs by the time the I&W tour hit the US. And they are doing the US again without any, it's their second latest album and has short songs that can fill in a set easily. It feels like it's already a forgotten album.
Surprised there aren't more YT vids. Is Insideout taking them down? Sorry if against rules to ask that question...
I think someone mentioned that security wasn't letting them use their cell phones. From what you can see from the crowd in the two videos we have I don't see anyone with their phone out.
oh so the ushers are back?
I guess tonight is the night for sure to know if there are going to be rotating setlists. Probably also determines my willingness to buy another ticket.
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PARALYZED: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8x1bXAnCnM
PALE BLUE .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtkDzjBOGvw
That's what I was waiting for a video of pale blue. Sounded amazing Mangini so freaking good
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How is the audience volume so far? Are they playing with full houses?
Looking at the availability for St Paul Ordway, the theater holds about 2200 and on the website about 85-90% of tix are sold. But the ones that are not are mainly obscured vis.
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It's only the second concert so he will certainly get into the groove, but there's an uncharacteristic amount of flubs by JP in those videos.
Yeah I noticed the same thing, something to keep an eye on if it doesn't clear up in a couple shows. If it does, we can just attribute it to beginning of tour rust.
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Surprised there aren't more YT vids. Is Insideout taking them down? Sorry if against rules to ask that question...
I think someone mentioned that security wasn't letting them use their cell phones. From what you can see from the crowd in the two videos we have I don't see anyone with their phone out.
oh so the ushers are back?
I guess tonight is the night for sure to know if there are going to be rotating setlists. Probably also determines my willingness to buy another ticket.
Everyone around me had their phones up and honestly, despite my view issues, I didn't honestly had a problem with them. The only time I did have a problem was when one guy was standing on his chair a couple of rows ahead of me and was filming for like 30 minutes or so on his phone and block a good amount of my vantage of the stage. He didn't make any gesture of applauding at all. Now, that one I wished there was an usher there, or at least, someone behind him telling him to step down, but I don't think they care much to tell him that.
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All those complains about few mistakes JP did. Lets face the reality. Is there anyone who can play all those complex songs and solos during 2 hours set without mistakes ?
:eek
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All those complains about few mistakes JP did. Lets face the reality. Is there anyone who can play all those complex songs and solos during 2 hours set without mistakes ?
:eek
Oh I'm not complaining, just observing. I think it's probably just him getting used to the set. JP's musical memory is insane, so I'm guessing after a couple shows it'll be embedded into his brain.
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I don't think anyone is complaining. It's just very uncharacteristic for JP to make those mistakes.
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Surprised there aren't more YT vids. Is Insideout taking them down? Sorry if against rules to ask that question...
I think someone mentioned that security wasn't letting them use their cell phones. From what you can see from the crowd in the two videos we have I don't see anyone with their phone out.
oh so the ushers are back?
I guess tonight is the night for sure to know if there are going to be rotating setlists. Probably also determines my willingness to buy another ticket.
Everyone around me had their phones up and honestly, despite my view issues, I didn't honestly had a problem with them. The only time I did have a problem was when one guy was standing on his chair a couple of rows ahead of me and was filming for like 30 minutes or so on his phone and block a good amount of my vantage of the stage. He didn't make any gesture of applauding at all. Now, that one I wished there was an usher there, or at least, someone behind him telling him to step down, but I don't think they care much to tell him that.
Ah, it's probably a by venue thing, like even last tour 1/3 of the shows had the ushers.
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It's only the second concert so he will certainly get into the groove, but there's an uncharacteristic amount of flubs by JP in those videos.
Yeah I noticed the same thing, something to keep an eye on if it doesn't clear up in a couple shows. If it does, we can just attribute it to beginning of tour rust.
I remember him being a bit sloppy (for Petrucci standards) on the first few shows on the 2014 and I&W tour. He’ll get better. It’s ALOT of material.
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ANTR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXl9bWAswy0
The timestamp for the bit we all were curious about is 11:10 :P
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ANTR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXl9bWAswy0
The timestamp for the bit we all were curious about is 11:10 :P
Oof.
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ANTR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXl9bWAswy0
The timestamp for the bit we all were curious about is 11:10 :P
Wow! I was just going to paste the link. I like it so much better than the growling.
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Intro and Unthethered Angel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Atpy-LDggc
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ANTR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXl9bWAswy0
The timestamp for the bit we all were curious about is 11:10 :P
Wow! I was just going to paste the link. I like it so much better than the growling.
Yeah, that half-spoken snarl reminds me of Dave Mustaine and actually fits that section.
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only tracks left now are Finally Free and In the Presence of Enemies that i haven't seen videos for. Interested to see if they did the Metropolis 2000 Outro this time? made me so happy hearing MP do it for the Shattered Fortress Tour
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ANTR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXl9bWAswy0
The timestamp for the bit we all were curious about is 11:10 :P
Wow! I was just going to paste the link. I like it so much better than the growling.
That was AWESOME! After watching that, I hope they keep ANTR for the whole tour and the second leg. Earlier in this thread I said otherwise, but that video shut me the hell up! :lol
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ANTR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXl9bWAswy0
The timestamp for the bit we all were curious about is 11:10 :P
Wow! I was just going to paste the link. I like it so much better than the growling.
That was great! Except was there a gas leak in the building? The audience looks pretty lifeless.
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I’m hoping at least that MM makes a solo at the end of Finally Free, because it’s the way the song was originally written and it would be even better with him adding his own drum solo, of course!
That outro would be awesome!
I guess if tonight, that will be the second show in the same city, in a row, we don’t have anything different in the setlist, it will be it for the rest of tour.
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ANTR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXl9bWAswy0
The timestamp for the bit we all were curious about is 11:10 :P
Wow! I was just going to paste the link. I like it so much better than the growling.
That was great! Except was there a gas leak in the building? The audience looks pretty lifeless.
It's a DT concert...in North America...
The biggest prog nerds who barely move their head for 3 hours usually take the first few rows, and it kinda sets the vibe for the rest of the audience, unfortunately.
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ANTR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXl9bWAswy0
The timestamp for the bit we all were curious about is 11:10 :P
Wow! I was just going to paste the link. I like it so much better than the growling.
That was AWESOME! After watching that, I hope they keep ANTR for the whole tour and the second leg. Earlier in this thread I said otherwise, but that video shut me the hell up! :lol
Lol really? That was all it took?
People make WAAY too big of a deal about those Portnoy growls. Nevermind LaBrie was kinda struggling through the rest of it and the conspicuous canned in vocals.
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ANTR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXl9bWAswy0
The timestamp for the bit we all were curious about is 11:10 :P
Wow! I was just going to paste the link. I like it so much better than the growling.
That was AWESOME! After watching that, I hope they keep ANTR for the whole tour and the second leg. Earlier in this thread I said otherwise, but that video shut me the hell up! :lol
Agreed for me too. Seeing it live, well on you tube, it looks amazing!
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I don't think anyone is complaining. It's just very uncharacteristic for JP to make those mistakes.
Actually it isn’t since the first tour without MP.
I remember especially at the beginning of the self titled tour there were several of these moments in the first few gigs.
We have to remember that he’s the main guy now caring about all those things going on behind the scenes from finance to tour preparation, production and promotion (of course they have management people helping the band, but he’s mostly the one out of the five who has to think to a lot of things besides showing up and play)
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ANTR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXl9bWAswy0
The timestamp for the bit we all were curious about is 11:10 :P
Wow! I was just going to paste the link. I like it so much better than the growling.
That was AWESOME! After watching that, I hope they keep ANTR for the whole tour and the second leg. Earlier in this thread I said otherwise, but that video shut me the hell up! :lol
Lol really? That was all it took?
People make WAAY too big of a deal about those Portnoy growls. Nevermind LaBrie was kinda struggling through the rest of it and the conspicuous canned in vocals.
:metal Yep, that's all it took. However I wouldn't have my feelings hurt if they rotated it with two songs from d/t. S2N and AWE are good candidates! I hope this version of ANTR makes it to a concert bluray someday.
Also one of the reasons DT plays to a click track is so they can pipe in vocal harmonies at times. Nothing new as of the last few tours..
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You don't need to play to a click to pipe in pre-recorded harmonies (or anything else); you can trigger them in real time, like Rush used to do.
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You don't need to play to a click to pipe in pre-recorded harmonies (or anything else); you can trigger them in real time, like Rush used to do.
I was under the impression that Jordan was the one who triggered the pre-recorded harmonies/lyrical passages etc. I thought I read that somewhere before?
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You don't need to play to a click to pipe in pre-recorded harmonies (or anything else); you can trigger them in real time, like Rush used to do.
That's actually really hard to do without a click though, if you are a fraction off album tempo, the triggered harmony won't line up.
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Saw the setlist.
Damn, they release such a great album that 5 or 6 tracks from it could have been performed, and I would have been pleased.
Who was demanding ANTR and PMU to be played? ??? Really surprised at their song selection.
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Who was demanding ANTR and PMU to be played? ??? Really surprised at their song selection.
Ya know, I haven't seen it recently, but ever since MM played ANTR during the tryouts from the DVD when they were searching for a new drummer, many people did wonder why they didn't then play that song live with him. Maybe that's why it came out now? I don't know, I really love the song and like it's inclusion, but I do not like that it's so long and maybe cut one or two new songs from the setlist.
I do think if they did The Glass Prison instead of ANTR that people would be less upset about including a longer old song.
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Mangini could have played SFAM with one hand. The guy is so so fast and insanel. Lets end the discussion: portnoy who?
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The way JLB is doing that section reminds me of the original recordings MP released of that section where JLB had kind of a melody going along with the music behind.
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You don't need to play to a click to pipe in pre-recorded harmonies (or anything else); you can trigger them in real time, like Rush used to do.
That's actually really hard to do without a click though, if you are a fraction off album tempo, the triggered harmony won't line up.
Also, they use it to be in perfect sync with the videos and the light show.
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You don't need to play to a click to pipe in pre-recorded harmonies (or anything else); you can trigger them in real time, like Rush used to do.
That's actually really hard to do without a click though, if you are a fraction off album tempo, the triggered harmony won't line up.
It's a question of how long the sample is. Up to 5 seconds or so the drift won't be noticeable. Anything beyond that and you need to play to click.
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ANTR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXl9bWAswy0
The timestamp for the bit we all were curious about is 11:10 :P
Wow! I was just going to paste the link. I like it so much better than the growling.
That was AWESOME! After watching that, I hope they keep ANTR for the whole tour and the second leg. Earlier in this thread I said otherwise, but that video shut me the hell up! :lol
Lol really? That was all it took?
People make WAAY too big of a deal about those Portnoy growls. Nevermind LaBrie was kinda struggling through the rest of it and the conspicuous canned in vocals.
I felt the same way. Not crazy about the song and when they played it in 2010 for that tour it fell a bit flat. They are a better/tighter band now so I was impressed.
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I think that the current "strange" setlist (part 1 of the show with few songs from the last album plus ANTR and ITPOEp1 plus PMU as encore) has a lot to do with the summer festivals that they will be playing soon.
In summer festivals they will be alternating with other bands and their playing time will be a lot shorter. So obviously they will drop SFAM, except for one or two tracks that can potentially impress other bands fanboys - maybe Dance of Eternity or Spirit Carries on. In this light a setlist with Pull Me Under con be understood, although I cannot undestand why the long (although beautiful) ANTR instead of 2 or 3 shorter songs . Maybe for the heavy start/end drums part?
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People make WAAY too big of a deal about those Portnoy growls.
How so? The drummer (who is frankly not a good vocalist, especially when you have one of the top vocalists in the genre) sang some rather poor lyrics in a style completely different from their vocalist.
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People make WAAY too big of a deal about those Portnoy growls.
How so? The drummer (who is frankly not a good vocalist, especially when you have one of the top vocalists in the genre) sang some rather poor lyrics in a style completely different from their vocalist.
It’s 30 seconds of an already over the top, 16 minute song. By the time the growls come, the song has already gone off the rails a bit anyway. I get why people don’t like it but it’s certainly never ruined my enjoyment of the song and to all of a sudden change your attitude towards the whole piece because LaBrie shrieks it out instead seems strange to me. Personally, it’s just not that big of a deal to me, and certainly not a big game changer for me regarding the song. But to each their own!
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Im home now so just watched the clip of JLB during ANTR, actually really like how he ends it. But overall, that whole section is not a big deal to me at all. I never loved it, but never hated it. Definitely different for a DT song, but really not as big of an issue as some make it to be, at least to me. It is interesting that he sung it though, just from an artistic way of doing it without MP, it seemed cool to me.
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As a more recent fan (2014, seen them on tour each go around since) I am a tad disappointed that SDoIT is not represented in the set list. Overall though.... set list is fine. Also, I get that SFaM has to be played in its entirety but, I heard 4 songs from it on Along For The Ride tour. And the encore...Pull Me Under? I mean, come on..IaW was just played in its entirety last go around. Minor shit I know..looking forward to catching the Masonic show. :metal ;D
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I just noticed, watching the UA live video from yesterday's show, that Jordan does have his Hammond organ onstage, but is playing the organ solos on his Kronos ???
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Also, I get that SFaM has to be played in its entirety...
It doesn't have to be though, that was a band decision.
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I just noticed, watching the UA live video from yesterday's show, that Jordan does have his Hammond organ onstage, but is playing the organ solos on his Kronos ???
The Hammond is probably connected to his Kronos via midi 😊
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I just noticed, watching the UA live video from yesterday's show, that Jordan does have his Hammond organ onstage, but is playing the organ solos on his Kronos ???
The Hammond is probably connected to his Kronos via midi 😊
Yeah, you're probably right.
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Debut of fall into the light. Replaced paralyzed.
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Debut of fall into the light. Replaced paralyzed.
Nice :metal
There's hope for another encore, then.
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You saw on setlistfm or you are actually at the show?
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Debut of fall into the light. Replaced paralyzed.
I had a feeling that slot would rotate
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Debut of fall into the light. Replaced paralyzed.
Nice :metal
There's hope for another encore, then.
Immense hope!
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I'm at the show. Intermission now. No other changes.
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I'm at the show. Intermission now. No other changes.
So no raw dog :lol
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Also, I get that SFaM has to be played in its entirety...
It doesn't have to be though, that was a band decision.
Oh, no doubt about that. Just referring to the “anniversary” angle they’re using. But, Scenes is easily in my top 3 so..ya. Just getting psyched for Sunday night now r :metal
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So S2N at AWE seem very unlikely to be played on this tour then. I’m actually really disappointed by that.
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LOL Setlist.fm posted at 10:15pm Pacific:
Setlist
Untethered Angel
A Nightmare to Remember
Fall Into the Light
Barstool Warrior
In the Presence of Enemies, Part I
Pale Blue Dot
Act of Faythe
Encore:
In the Presence of Enemies, Part II
Act of Faythe
Prophets of War
Act of Faythe
Lord Nafaryus
Encore 2:
Through My Words
Violin Solo By John Myung
Encore 3:
Finally Free
(Cut short due to Mike Portnoy having had to go take a dump in the garage.)
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LOL Setlist.fm posted at 10:15pm Pacific:
Setlist
Untethered Angel
A Nightmare to Remember
Fall Into the Light
Barstool Warrior
In the Presence of Enemies, Part I
Pale Blue Dot
Act of Faythe
Encore:
In the Presence of Enemies, Part II
Act of Faythe
Prophets of War
Act of Faythe
Lord Nafaryus
Encore 2:
Through My Words
Violin Solo By John Myung
Encore 3:
Finally Free
(Cut short due to Mike Portnoy having had to go take a dump in the garage.)
They went further!
"Acoustic
Regression
Me Too
Electric
Untethered Angel
(with Max Portnoy)
Misunderstood
(James Labrie Ballet Dance Hits Again)
Battery
(Metallica cover)
Canadian Rap
(James Labrie Fell From Stage )
Guitar Solo
(James Labrie Ballet Dance Hits Again)
Lord Nafaryus
(Good Song)
Encore 4:
G Chord
(John Petrucci Could'nt Stand This Song's Difficulty, Ran Out Of Stage)
Blackwater Park"
How far can this maniac go?
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On a serious note, at some point during Fatal Tragedy, James realized he sounded as good as he did 20 years ago, and, man, he just lit it up - transformed and energized, wow he had a night! Full tilt into every song, even a few 1/2 helicopters which I didn't see last night, so I imagine this was special. Mangini was especially stoked by James' performance,
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I was so stoked watching James and Mangini, I barely watched JP! They killed it! I am only into DT for 3 years now, and I was thrown for a loop with ANTR and TPoE! 2 of my top 10!! I coudn’t be happier :metal. The best concert I’ve been to! I love how the predictions on this forum were off lol! Made the surprise even more surprising - so fun!!
That was a seriously rockin’ kick-ass show!
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On a serious note, at some point during Fatal Tragedy, James realized he sounded as good as he did 20 years ago, and, man, he just lit it up - transformed and energized, wow he had a night! Full tilt into every song, even a few 1/2 helicopters which I didn't see last night, so I imagine this was special. Mangini was especially stoked by James' performance,
Man, he must feel great when he realizes he's having a good night. I'm looking forward to some videos.
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Dang, I wish they were coming to Seattle! I'm stoked for those that do get to see them on this tour. Thanks for posting reviews everyone, it's fun to read and to know the band is doing so well. :)
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Just looked at tix for the Beacon show...Holy moly! I know I haven't seen a DT concert since 6DOIT, but damn!!!! $200+ per seat.
It's definitely a far cry from early 2000s prices. lol
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There is a platform in Turkey called "ekşi sözlük", kind of Turkish reddit.
A friend of mine who lives in USA attented two nights of Wiltred. We msg'd about that in ekşi sözlük. I asked him how he find DT's performance overall. He responded very long in Turkish. Here a couple of his thoughts I translated.
* The sound is too loud but James' mix is very low and even sometimes burried and literally there was no sound coming time to time even though James kept on singing.
* Stage looked so simple and good. Visiual effects of SFAM was great.
* This is the first concert that I feel Mike Mangini gives the Portnoy feeling and energy since his presence began. (And he thinks Mangini is technically andvanced but feeling was absent until this concert.)
* To be honest I have zero expection about James' performance because of I&W anniversary tour. But man, James slapped me right in the face. He is just amazing. Not just his voice. He was the most energetic member of all. I can't believe he performed Fatal Tragedy and The Spirit Carries On that well with all high notes.
* Seeing Pull Me Under in two nights was a big dissapointment. I love the song but enough is enough.
* Strange enough John Petrucci did many mistakes in two dates. I'm not a expert. Maybe this is a mix problem or something but several time he messed up some solos and passages. (he did go more than 20 concerts of DT and never witness that more than minor fails.)
* Overall this tour starts pretty amazing. After TA and I&W tours which I didn't enjoy that much DoT tour gave my energy back.
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Back to back nights in the same venue and only one different song in the setlist. Bummer.
Pull Me Under as an encore...Bummer.
Taking up that much set time for a full album play for the third tour in a row? Bummer.
Glad I got to see the band plenty of times in the past, because it just isn't the same now. Still love the band and the music though.
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Back to back nights in the same venue and only one different song in the setlist. Bummer.
Pull Me Under as an encore...Bummer.
Taking up that much set time for a full album play for the third tour in a row? Bummer.
Glad I got to see the band plenty of times in the past, because it just isn't the same now. Still love the band and the music though.
Agreed. It's a shame the band is resorting to these anniversary tours now, in essence making themselves a legacy act, but they want to sell tickets, so there it is. And make no mistake, when you do two tours in a row featuring classic albums from decades ago, you are in fact a legacy act. The new album shows that they still have plenty of really good music left in them, but from a touring standpoint, it is what it is now.
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Or maybe they are just playing these albums in full because they know that there won't be any guarantees anymore that they can play these landmark albums given their age.
Sometimes I hate these old fans complaining because what about us who never got to see these albums in full, either because we were never in the touring radar before or because we are new fans? So selfish. Complaining about DT becoming a legacy act is so elitist.
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Just looked at tix for the Beacon show...Holy moly! I know I haven't seen a DT concert since 6DOIT, but damn!!!! $200+ per seat.
It's definitely a far cry from early 2000s prices. lol
Yea, I've never seen anything like it, sadly it's going to keep me from going to that show
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Been a hardcore fan since 1999 and next month will be my first DT concert. I'm really excited, even though is not my dreamed setlist. Was really bummed with the encore, then I saw a YT video and changed my mind. PMU really works great live. I'm sorry about the guys that have seen them plenty of times, but there's a couple of fans that would die to see a full album paid tribute, and SFAM is one of their top. Loved D/T, but I also love all their catalogue. Sorry if my english is not that good
First Post!
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Just looked at tix for the Beacon show...Holy moly! I know I haven't seen a DT concert since 6DOIT, but damn!!!! $200+ per seat.
It's definitely a far cry from early 2000s prices. lol
Wow. I got 10th row, center for the St Paul show. $79, plus $10 in fees. It will be well worth it. I am attending alone but I love going to DT shows alone. I can focus and mingle with like-minded souls! I live 5min away from the venue too; DT gonna be in my 'hood!
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Back to back nights in the same venue and only one different song in the setlist. Bummer.
Pull Me Under as an encore...Bummer.
Taking up that much set time for a full album play for the third tour in a row? Bummer.
Glad I got to see the band plenty of times in the past, because it just isn't the same now. Still love the band and the music though.
Perhaps a bit. But they continue to produce new music and this latest LP is pretty dang good. When you've been around for decades you can resort to some 'legacy' stuff and still be relevant. DT is still quite relevant in the prog/metal circle.
Agreed. It's a shame the band is resorting to these anniversary tours now, in essence making themselves a legacy act, but they want to sell tickets, so there it is. And make no mistake, when you do two tours in a row featuring classic albums from decades ago, you are in fact a legacy act. The new album shows that they still have plenty of really good music left in them, but from a touring standpoint, it is what it is now.
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Just looked at tix for the Beacon show...Holy moly! I know I haven't seen a DT concert since 6DOIT, but damn!!!! $200+ per seat.
It's definitely a far cry from early 2000s prices. lol
Yea, I've never seen anything like it, sadly it's going to keep me from going to that show
Ditto. That's a tough pill to swallow.
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Just looked at tix for the Beacon show...Holy moly! I know I haven't seen a DT concert since 6DOIT, but damn!!!! $200+ per seat.
It's definitely a far cry from early 2000s prices. lol
Yea, I've never seen anything like it, sadly it's going to keep me from going to that show
Yea, but these are all resale tickets. Sometimes, they release regular tickets on the week of the show. Keep an eye on it.
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Everyone complaining about everything... bummer.
I’m excited about going to the show, I wish I could participate on this board without feeling like there is something wrong with me. I have to no problem with the set...including the encore. Playing your biggest hit. A song that (outside of this bubble) is universally liked by fans, and comes across great live. Seems like a no-brainer encore.
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Everyone complaining about everything... bummer.
I’m excited about going to the show, I wish I could participate on this board without feeling like there is something wrong with me. I have to no problem with the set...including the encore. Playing your biggest hit. A song that (outside of this bubble) is universally liked by fans, and comes across great live. Seems like a no-brainer encore.
There's nothing wrong with you. If you like what they're doing more power to you. This band used to be a very considerate one in regards to live shows. For obvious reasons, the attention to detail is no longer there. It is what it is.
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'Pull Me Under' was one of the worst possible encore tunes they could have selected-- especially after the Images anniversary tour.
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Or maybe they are just playing these albums in full because they know that there won't be any guarantees anymore that they can play these landmark albums given their age.
Sometimes I hate these old fans complaining because what about us who never got to see these albums in full, either because we were never in the touring radar before or because we are new fans? So selfish. Complaining about DT becoming a legacy act is so elitist.
One of the reasons I didn't go is because I saw SFAM in its entirety but I'm very glad people got a chance to see it. That was after all 19 years ago.
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'Pull Me Under' was one of the worst possible encore tunes they could have selected-- especially after the Images anniversary tour.
This. ITPOE Pt2 could of worked since they are playing the 1st one. At Wit End would have been a no brainer. Trial od Tears, On the backs of angels or Breaking All Illusions...
Would of loved the whole d/t album for the 1st set and the SFAM...
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'Pull Me Under' was one of the worst possible encore tunes they could have selected-- especially after the Images anniversary tour.
I was disappointed that Rush always had to play Tom Sawyer but then I see the people's reaction around me. Same I think with PMU, bring a fan since 1994 I think here we go again but then I see the crowd. Do I personally wish they'd play AWE instead, of course but they've been doing this for 30 years and can read audience reactions.
Anyhow, my long winded point is that on paper I'm dissapointed in the set list but I'm sure it was amazing live.
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I just watched an animation that's played before the SFAM set, and man, that was atrocious, first the soundtrack of the animation IMO doesn't match the history that's about to be tell, and second there's a transition from the characters to some sort of nebula that was really bad with a change in the music even worst.
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Perhaps a bit. But they continue to produce new music and this latest LP is pretty dang good. When you've been around for decades you can resort to some 'legacy' stuff and still be relevant. DT is still quite relevant in the prog/metal circle.
Without a doubt. As a major pioneer of the prog metal subgenre, DT releasing a new album will always be a big thing within those circles, for however long they keep making albums.
Everyone complaining about everything... bummer.
I’m excited about going to the show, I wish I could participate on this board without feeling like there is something wrong with me. I have to no problem with the set...including the encore. Playing your biggest hit. A song that (outside of this bubble) is universally liked by fans, and comes across great live. Seems like a no-brainer encore.
No need to feel that way! The different points of view are what make discussions fun! :tup :tup
I guess the way I see it is, they just released a new album that most of the fan base seems to really liking/loving, and instead of spring boarding off of that momentum with the tour by playing most of the new album, they are merely playing four songs off it. Now, I get that it was decided months ago to play all of Scenes, and they couldn't have known then how the fans were going to react to Distance over Time, but when you look at the history of the band and their tours, no new album has ever gotten this little love in the set lists at the first shows following the release of said new album. It has always been DT's thing to release a new album and then play the crap out of it live when the tour begins after releasing the album. That seemingly has now changed. Sure, they might play all or most on legs later in the year, but for now, it just feels like a lot of the air was let out of the balloon.
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What will be interesting to see is what they do *after* this tour. Do an Awake anniversary?
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What will be interesting to see is what they do *after* this tour. Do an Awake anniversary?
Can this tour get itself back to Anaheim if that happens? I know they did it for The Astonishing. Played two nights at the Wiltern and then did a show in Anaheim later in the year. I would love to see them do something in regards to Awake (my favorite of the 90s DT albums).
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As a DT super fan, yes, PMU is a disappointing encore.
But you have to remember, there’s a large portion of that crowd who has never been to a DT concert, and it’s their mega hit, and as of last week it’s even taken back the number one spot on Spotify as their most trending/popular song.
In the context of the set list on its OWN, disregarding past tours, playing PMU makes sense because they really aren’t playing many of their classic tunes beyond SFaM, so if you have an extreme limited amount of time, playing THE classic fan favorite is a wise choice.
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Someone made a live stream to the FB fan group from half of One Last Tim to the end of Finally Free, don't know if it has been mentioned.
Since it's a spoiler free thread, here it goes...
They made a very cool outro to Finally Free, different from anything I heard, I think it's exclusive for this tour and it sounds like sections from PBD, really awesome. And both James and Mike sounded great to me!! I was kinda disappointed last time Mangini played Finally Free because of the solo at the end, really thought he could've done better, but now he did!!
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Barstool Warrior: https://youtu.be/zm9P4kTgJTc
Looks like James is having a hard time with the song. :(
I LOLd when I saw Myung move out of his spot when he was supposed to be featured during the second half of the piano break. When the spotlight opened, he's not there. :lol
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Perhaps in twenty years, we'll get a d/t anniversary tour and we'll finally get to hear the full album played in it's entirety. The band members will be replaced by robots except for John Myung. He'll be shredding bass with the A.I. members. :metal
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Someone made a live stream to the FB fan group from half of One Last Tim to the end of Finally Free, don't know if it has been mentioned.
Since it's a spoiler free thread, here it goes...
They made a very cool outro to Finally Free, different from anything I heard, I think it's exclusive for this tour and it sounds like sections from PBD, really awesome. And both James and Mike sounded great to me!! I was kinda disappointed last time Mangini played Finally Free because of the solo at the end, really thought he could've done better, but now he did!!
Really cool that! Is there any link still available?
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Barstool Warrior: https://youtu.be/zm9P4kTgJTc
Looks like James is having a hard time with the song. :(
I LOLd when I saw Myung move out of his spot when he was supposed to be featured during the second half of the piano break. When the spotlight opened, he's not there. :lol
Thanks had not seen this. I think all 4 new songs are on YouTube now.
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Barstool Warrior: https://youtu.be/zm9P4kTgJTc
Looks like James is having a hard time with the song. :(
I think his performance is decent. Hope it gets better.
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Someone made a live stream to the FB fan group from half of One Last Tim to the end of Finally Free, don't know if it has been mentioned.
Since it's a spoiler free thread, here it goes...
They made a very cool outro to Finally Free, different from anything I heard, I think it's exclusive for this tour and it sounds like sections from PBD, really awesome. And both James and Mike sounded great to me!! I was kinda disappointed last time Mangini played Finally Free because of the solo at the end, really thought he could've done better, but now he did!!
“One Last Tim”! An ode to super-fan TAC possibly?
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Anyone mention that all the drummer audition songs are in the setlist? That's kinda cool.
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I suppose these anniversaries mean the band don't have to think too much about large parts of the setlist. We have to remember too that, with all due respect, the band are getting on a bit. All of them are over 50, and one of them is well into his 60s now. Maybe the days of 3-hour "evening with" shows are past them now. Age catches up with everyone.
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Did they play Fall into the Light on the second night instead of Paralyzed ? Set list FM said they did but people here said it was the same 1st set. I tend to believe the people here.
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Did they play Fall into the Light on the second night instead of Paralyzed ? Set list FM said they did but people here said it was the same 1st set. I tend to believe the people here.
Right. They played FITL second night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJo57xJjXM4
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Hmm. Not a big fan of 2 guitar backing tracks I must say. It sure sounds like the original, but it really isn't live anymore.
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Did they play Fall into the Light on the second night instead of Paralyzed ? Set list FM said they did but people here said it was the same 1st set. I tend to believe the people here.
Right. They played FITL second night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJo57xJjXM4
That was wayyy sick!!! The best live video I've seen posted so far.. They need to keep that one in the set list indefinitely. :tup
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Hmm. Not a big fan of 2 guitar backing tracks I must say. It sure sounds like the original, but it really isn't live anymore.
He likely used a guitar harmonizer fx pedal.
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Hmm. Not a big fan of 2 guitar backing tracks I must say. It sure sounds like the original, but it really isn't live anymore.
He likely used a guitar harmonizer fx pedal.
Not for the rhythm guitar track under it. For the second melody, maybe, but those pedals are usually too constrained for complex doubling of a melody. In the past JP has relied on a backing track for that, and I assume he does here too.
I think they missed a golden opportunity to blow every fan's mind by having JR whip out his guitar and play the rhythm track.
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Saw the show last night at the Wiltern. My second DT show - IW&B in 2017 was my first. Loved it all. ITPOE1 was so cool. And closing set 1 with PBD was epic. That song...my goodness!
So if I counted correctly, they play 29 shows in North America then another 28 in Europe. That wraps on July 26, just in time for JP to take a breather before his Guitar Universe shred camp.
Might they perhaps take a month or so to relax and then embark upon a Fall leg - shows in Asia, South America, and North America? And if so, might they play other songs from DOT that are not in the current rotation - R137, S2N, AWE, OoR, and VK? James mentioned how amazing fan reaction to DOT has been. And I have a hard time believing they don't want to bust out these other tunes. S2N begs to be played lived.
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Everyone complaining about everything... bummer.
I’m excited about going to the show, I wish I could participate on this board without feeling like there is something wrong with me. I have to no problem with the set...including the encore. Playing your biggest hit. A song that (outside of this bubble) is universally liked by fans, and comes across great live. Seems like a no-brainer encore.
DTF is my internet home, but I've recently discovered -in genuine surprise- that there are big pockets of DT fans on the internet who are not on DTF, mostly on fb. Fans outside of DTF are super stoked and happy about the band 99% of any given time, sans for the Portnoy crybabies. I hang with these always-happy people sometimes when I overload on negativity but I'd be a hypocrite if I complained about the negativity cause I'm very aware of how different DT fans are and how the shoe could have easily been on the other foot if the band were doing something I didn't like, cause I'd put my bitching hat on and join the mob in a heartbeat heh
Luckily I'm happy with the setlist and the album so I'm a happy camper atm.
I think that the current "strange" setlist (part 1 of the show with few songs from the last album plus ANTR and ITPOEp1 plus PMU as encore) has a lot to do with the summer festivals that they will be playing soon.
I think you're spot on.
Or maybe they are just playing these albums in full because they know that there won't be any guarantees anymore that they can play these landmark albums given their age.
Sometimes I hate these old fans complaining because what about us who never got to see these albums in full, either because we were never in the touring radar before or because we are new fans? So selfish. Complaining about DT becoming a legacy act is so elitist.
I don't think it's a matter of old/new fans, it is however a matter of selfishness as you say. Everyone wants to hear what they wanna hear and if the band plays something else then it's bad, but what about the fans who wanted that something else? "Fuck em, I want my stuff played".
I'm guilty of that as well, if DT came out with 3 songs from Awake and the song 8VM; I'd be bummed out.
SFAM is my favorite album, I'm good with Enemies and okay with Nightmare so I'm good. As I said, the shoe can easily get on the other foot with every tour.
Debut of fall into the light. Replaced paralyzed.
I need to see Paralyzed so I'm glad it'll be played at least one of my shows.
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What will be interesting to see is what they do *after* this tour. Do an Awake anniversary?
I can see it now: the next album and tour will be in 2022, and hey, time for a 6DOIT 20th anniversary. :facepalm: :facepalm: :lol :lol
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Did they play Fall into the Light on the second night instead of Paralyzed ? Set list FM said they did but people here said it was the same 1st set. I tend to believe the people here.
Right. They played FITL second night. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJo57xJjXM4
Thanks for clarifying Ill check out the video. :)
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Hmm. Not a big fan of 2 guitar backing tracks I must say. It sure sounds like the original, but it really isn't live anymore.
He likely used a guitar harmonizer fx pedal.
I think they missed a golden opportunity to blow every fan's mind by having JR whip out his guitar and play the rhythm track.
I'm in total agreement here! :tup. I don't know if JLB plays guitar at all but it would be cool to see him with a guitar on stage playing rhythm for easy yet powerful sections like that.
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I don't think it's a matter of old/new fans, it is however a matter of selfishness as you say. Everyone wants to hear what they wanna hear and if the band plays something else then it's bad, but what about the fans who wanted that something else? "Fuck em, I want my stuff played".
I'm guilty of that as well, if DT came out with 3 songs from Awake and the song 8VM; I'd be bummed out.
SFAM is my favorite album, I'm good with Enemies and okay with Nightmare so I'm good. As I said, the shoe can easily get on the other foot with every tour.
While I think The Glass Prison and In the Name of God would have better choices than Nightmare if they are going to play a song in the 15-17 minute range, playing Nightmare is at least a new live song in this era, and it is cool that both non-new songs in the first set (Nightmare and ITPOE Part 1) are ones that had yet be played since Mangini joined the band.
And really, my only real complaint has been, "Not enough new songs are getting played." And I doubt a band like Dream Theater would find much fault with some fans wanting to hear more songs from their brand new album. I just cranked it up a bit ago when working out at the gym and was like, "hot damn, this is so good!" :metal :metal
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Yes, DT are just a nostalgia act now playing endless anniversary shows. Let’s all forget the tour before last where the show was 100% new material with no legacy songs.
Dream Theater have two seminal albums in their catalogue, those being Images & Words and Scenes From A Memory. They have (rightly in my opinion) chosen to mark the anniversary of those albums by treating fans to a full live version of the albums. There will not be further anniversary tours for the other albums as they are not super important albums in the bands history and don’t warrant it. It’s absolute nonsense to suggest DT are just a legacy act and those crying about the anniversary tours won’t have to worry after this one as I don’t imagine they’ll be doing any further ones unless they stop making new music which I doubt will happen.
I will say that I am not thrilled with the set list but also know, from experience, that sometimes a set list which does not look all that great on paper can be brilliant when you actually experience the show.
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Yes, DT are just a nostalgia act now playing endless anniversary shows. Let’s all forget the tour before last where the show was 100% new material with no legacy songs.
Dream Theater have two seminal albums in their catalogue, those being Images & Words and Scenes From A Memory. They have (rightly in my opinion) chosen to mark the anniversary of those albums by treating fans to a full live version of the albums. There will not be further anniversary tours for the other albums as they are not super important albums in the bands history and don’t warrant it. It’s absolute nonsense to suggest DT are just a legacy act and those crying about the anniversary tours won’t have to worry after this one as I don’t imagine they’ll be doing any further ones unless they stop making new music which I doubt will happen.
I will say that I am not thrilled with the set list but also know, from experience, that sometimes a set list which does not look all that great on paper can be brilliant when you actually experience the show.
All of this, for sure.
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To all of that... I'll simply ask....when was the last time the band had a set free from an entire album or partial album playthrough? When was the last time that multiple songs were legitimately rotated in and out based on what the city/region has yet to hear?
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What will be interesting to see is what they do *after* this tour. Do an Awake anniversary?
I can see it now: the next album and tour will be in 2022, and hey, time for a 6DOIT 20th anniversary. :facepalm: :facepalm: :lol :lol
That I wouldn’t mind at all, Disc 1 has been criminally underplayed.
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To all of that... I'll simply ask....when was the last time the band had a set free from an entire album or partial album playthrough? When was the last time that multiple songs were legitimately rotated in and out based on what the city/region has yet to hear?
Two tours ago was an entire album. An entire NEW album. It’s an entire concept album that is long enough to take up two sets. I don’t see how you can complain about rotating set lists with that. And as for those rotating sets, we know that was a Portnoy thing. The band members talked about that after he left. They feel that a static set leads to better performances and better opportunities for corresponding visuals. And I agree. I don’t know why the rotating set list thing is even being discussed. It shouldn’t be expected. I personally prefer not worrying about missing favorite song being played the night after my concert, because I can only afford tickets for one show.
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No....I don't blame them for making an entire show out of the Astonishing. But to follow it with an entire playthrough of I&W, then an entire playthrough of SFAM while the album they're alledgy touring for gets four songs, it's too formulatic for my tastes. On top of that...Mangini, who is going on nearly a decade with the band gets to play just 4 of this songs a night
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After watching it on YouTube...Pale Blue Dot should have been the encore. They killed it!
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Ugh. Came here with my post concert high to be with others who would feel the same. Not to be. Too much complaining. Wrong songs, wrong length, ball blah. The show was fantastic, with legit surprise songs that I have seen so many rave about. If they would have played 6 new songs, I am sure the complaint would be, "too many they should have had some from the catalog". I know everyone gets to have an opinion, but total buzzkill. :(
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I think we’re all a bit too jaded here.
SFaM is a great album and one of their most beloved. Instead of complaining that they are eating up a big portion of the show on it, let’s view this as the glass half full and be thankful we get to hear it, in all of its glory, ONE last time.
It’s also unlikely we’ll get another anniversary tour for awwwhile.
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SFaM is a great album and one of their most beloved. Instead of complaining that they are eating up a big portion of the show on it, let’s view this as the glass half full and be thankful we get to hear it, in all of its glory, ONE last time.
The pun game is strong here :lol
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Someone made a live stream to the FB fan group from half of One Last Tim to the end of Finally Free, don't know if it has been mentioned.
Since it's a spoiler free thread, here it goes...
They made a very cool outro to Finally Free, different from anything I heard, I think it's exclusive for this tour and it sounds like sections from PBD, really awesome. And both James and Mike sounded great to me!! I was kinda disappointed last time Mangini played Finally Free because of the solo at the end, really thought he could've done better, but now he did!!
“One Last Tim”! An ode to super-fan TAC possibly?
:lol
Totally understandable.. :lol
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I think we’re all a bit too jaded here.
SFaM is a great album and one of their most beloved. Instead of complaining that they are eating up a big portion of the show on it, let’s view this as the glass half full and be thankful we get to hear it, in all of its glory, ONE last time.
It’s also unlikely we’ll get another anniversary tour for awwwhile.
Ugh. Came here with my post concert high to be with others who would feel the same. Not to be. Too much complaining. Wrong songs, wrong length, ball blah. The show was fantastic, with legit surprise songs that I have seen so many rave about. If they would have played 6 new songs, I am sure the complaint would be, "too many they should have had some from the catalog". I know everyone gets to have an opinion, but total buzzkill. :(
Yes.
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Ugh. Came here with my post concert high to be with others who would feel the same. Not to be. Too much complaining. Wrong songs, wrong length, ball blah. The show was fantastic, with legit surprise songs that I have seen so many rave about. If they would have played 6 new songs, I am sure the complaint would be, "too many they should have had some from the catalog". I know everyone gets to have an opinion, but total buzzkill. :(
If you notice the people that are complaining about the setlist me included are the ones who didn't go to the show. Those who did. Loved it. :)
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I'm not complaining that they're playing the SFAM in full, but I've never seen the SFAM in full. :biggrin:
But I agree that the first set is disappointing. I maintain the opinion that if they didn't waste 25 minutes with two songs (which aren't classics; many like and many hate) they would have time to play more d/t songs and still play the SFAM in full.
On rotating setlists, a MP thing. Gone with him.
I always thought it was a cool idea, but I've always attended the worst setlists compared to other cities in my country. I always wanted to see Metropolis live, and they always played it in other cities where I wasn't :lol
I've been a fan since the second half of the 90's. My favorite albums are I&W and SFAM. And my favorite song is Metropolis. I've never seen I&W and SFAM in full and have never seen Metropolis live. :lol :facepalm:
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Ugh. Came here with my post concert high to be with others who would feel the same. Not to be. Too much complaining. Wrong songs, wrong length, ball blah. The show was fantastic, with legit surprise songs that I have seen so many rave about. If they would have played 6 new songs, I am sure the complaint would be, "too many they should have had some from the catalog". I know everyone gets to have an opinion, but total buzzkill. :(
If you notice the people that are complaining about the setlist me included are the ones who didn't go to the show. Those who did. Loved it. :)
I loved the show although I would have liked something from Awake or a non-DOT song from the MM-era, in addition. I'm just pretty pouty the fact that I had a pretty bad vantage of the stage for a good portion of the show (most of that was due to that one dude standing on his chair a few rows in front of me for 30 minutes. It was so bad, that the guy in front of me said to me that "it sucks that you picked the one spot behind us where the dude was standing on his chair" and all I can do is just shrug).
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As for rotating setlists. I always got burned. On the Rush Clockwork Angels tour I got Limelight twice instead of the rare Body Electric
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Oh boy. People bitching about ANTR and ITPOE...
I personally was fucking ecstatic for both songs.
I personally had 2 small complaints. I like Paralyzed more than Fall Into The Light... And my show was the first to not have Paralyzed, and I would have been happy to see a different encore song.... But that didn't kill my enjoyment of the show.
Hell my buddies and I still went through our stupid little dance (mimicking James's ventures), as well as screamed PULK MY FINGER I'VE GOT TO FART and pulling each other's fingers during PMU. We do it every time PMU is played.
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As for rotating setlists. I always got burned. On the Rush Clockwork Angels tour I got Limelight twice instead of the rare Body Electric
Same here. I got Limelight when I should’ve gotten Middletown Dreams
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As for rotating setlists. I always got burned. On the Rush Clockwork Angels tour I got Limelight twice instead of the rare Body Electric
Haha! I saw Rush on two different continents, six months apart, and ended up with the same two setlists (they were rotating two setlists, as you know) :lol
DT, though, I did very well out of rotating setlists... but that was because I used to go to virtually every show I could in the UK. I usually only go to one now.
Regarding this setlist, Scenes is absolutely in my top three DT albums but I wasn't around to see the shows where they played it in full, unfortunately. Do I want to sit through the whole thing now? No, not really. I'd much rather they mixed it all up, and just stopped with the anniversary stuff. Doesn't change the fact it's one of their best albums, though.
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This guy has put the entire concert from march 22 up on youtube! Drum solo on Finally Free - yay ;D
https://www.youtube.com/user/cortes72jc/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/cortes72jc/videos)
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So if I counted correctly, they play 29 shows in North America then another 28 in Europe.
Most of those European shows are at festivals, they need to come back for a proper European headlining tour before they change the setlist and the band have said they will be doing such a tour.
In terms of song choice, I’d swap PMU for Voices to cover the Awake anniversary and get them to do both Paralyzed and FITL but I’ll take the show as it is. I’ve seen them in 2014 and 2017, there’s not many bands that I could see on a third tour and only get five repeat songs. Most bands I’m delighted to get one or two non-new songs I’ve yet to hear.
I admit we get spoiled by DT, Marillion are pretty great with setlists too, especially if you see them at their weekends where they do three nights with no repeat songs. I shan’t give away any spoilers in case another fan reads this but I’ve seen them at three weekends and two stand-alone shows and aside from doing a whole double album on night 3 that’s full of rarities there’s 4 songs I’ve not heard yet during the other two nights. Apart from some very rare b-sides I think I’ll be left with 8 songs I’ve not heard live from 13 albums.
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This guy has put the entire concert from march 22 up on youtube! Drum solo on Finally Free - yay ;D
https://www.youtube.com/user/cortes72jc/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/cortes72jc/videos)
Love JP in the ripped jeans and sneakers, always thought that was a cooler look.
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This guy has put the entire concert from march 22 up on youtube! Drum solo on Finally Free - yay ;D
https://www.youtube.com/user/cortes72jc/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/cortes72jc/videos)
:hefdaddy
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Am I dreaming or James' hit notes effortlessly? I nearly watched all videos especially SFAM act and he didn't struggle.
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Here's another angle of Finally Free:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/b4gtm8/finally_free_live_32219_in_la/
Mangini finally gave what many fans were clamoring for. If you combine what he did here (including the crossing of arms in the end) and his drumming in the instrumental of Pale Blue Dot, you have his whole drum solo routine in BTFW. :lol
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Neither are longtime fan favorites, but how bad ass would an encore of Viper King and Our New World be? You have two upbeat, straight-forward rockers, which would be a great way to end the show.
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ONW would be a good encore. But maybe it's too short at 4 minutes?
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This guy has put the entire concert from march 22 up on youtube! Drum solo on Finally Free - yay ;D
https://www.youtube.com/user/cortes72jc/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/cortes72jc/videos)
Thanks for sharing on all these YouTube videos I always find myself mesmerized by Mangini.
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Drum solo on Finally Free - yay ;D
https://www.youtube.com/user/cortes72jc/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/cortes72jc/videos)
Soooo good! Thanks for the link!
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Neither are longtime fan favorites, but how bad ass would an encore of Viper King and Our New World be? You have two upbeat, straight-forward rockers, which would be a great way to end the show.
Heck yeah! :tup
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Neither are longtime fan favorites, but how bad ass would an encore of Viper King and Our New World be? You have two upbeat, straight-forward rockers, which would be a great way to end the show.
Heck yeah! :tup
I was thinking yesterday that VK would make a great encore song, couple that with ONW and :metal
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No absolutely not. Too simple. (yes, I really hate Viper King) AWE would be great. (nicely complex and funny because James sings Don't leave me now during AWE and then the audience would leave after it ends, imagine that.)
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I thought I was the only one who didn't like Viper King!
And then there were two heh
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I thought I was the only one who didn't like Viper King!
And then there were two heh
I don't hate it....but it's one of my least favorite DT songs of all time. I don't begrudge them for writing it, but that's not what I listen to DT for.
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That line of thinking always baffles me.
I listen to Dream Theater, and every other artist, for good music.
Good music comes in different shapes and sizes.
What is the problem?
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Viper King could be this album's Space Dye Vest
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I thought I was the only one who didn't like Viper King!
And then there were two heh
I don't hate it....but it's one of my least favorite DT songs of all time. I don't begrudge them for writing it, but that's not what I listen to DT for.
That's my take on it.
That line of thinking always baffles me.
I listen to Dream Theater, and every other artist, for good music.
Good music comes in different shapes and sizes.
What is the problem?
I don't want "lighthearted and casual" from Dream Theater, that's not what I put them on for. Don't get me wrong, I like that vibe but not from DT. I listen to punk rock and I don't want "impactful and dramatic" from it, that's what I go to DT for. It's not a matter of right and wrong, it's just the way the type of music appeals to you.
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I thought I was the only one who didn't like Viper King!
And then there were two heh
Make that three. Let’s just say it’s definitely “bonus track” for a reason. Not terrible, but nothing special. I think my main issue is that LaBrie’s voice just doesn’t suit this type of song...at all.
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That line of thinking always baffles me.
I listen to Dream Theater, and every other artist, for good music.
Good music comes in different shapes and sizes.
What is the problem?
you're right of course. I'm into DT for the complex technical bits, that's all. VK has less of them. I'm sure it can be considered an interesting piece, musically speaking. The verse reminds me of Black Dog though and I'm not a fan of Zeppelin, amongst other things that happen in VK. If you like it, great. I may go on to like it myself at some point, who would know.
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Food for thought: its possible that Pull Me Under was added as an encore because of its Hamlet reference. For the encore they switch out the infinity SFAM mic stand and bring back the "yorick" skull mic stand for the encore - so it's a deliberate move, and I suspect that the Hamlet connection is the reason, Also, I noticed that James uses an (untethered angel) vocoder during the PMU Hamlet quote, so for the first time the live rendition resembles the layered vocal track recording from 1992.
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Just got out.... Goddamn they were incredible. James sounded better than he has in years. Such a killer energy to the night, very, very satisfied for sure.
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Just got out.... Goddamn they were incredible. James sounded better than he has in years. Such a killer energy to the night, very, very satisfied for sure.
Most excellent!!! :coolio
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Listened to a few songs on YouTube. Band is tight as always, but really happy to hear James delivering the goods! May it last!
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In The Presence of Enemies Pt. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENbu2dZQxf8
1. The audience seems really happy to hear this song.
2. Mangini makes it appear as if this song is easy. Damn it.
And a new Finally Free upload:
https://youtu.be/KU04KjjFUkw
Looks like Mangini changes his drum outro every performance. He did the cross-hands within the song!
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I wish they had a t-shirt with the original album cover, D/T equation logo. I just maybe too old for a t-shirt with a skull on it hehe
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I wish they had a t-shirt with the original album cover, D/T equation logo. I just maybe too old for a t-shirt with a skull on it hehe
Ha, same here, I would like a shirt that has a space scene with a pale blue dot in the middle. Missed opportunity?
I could almost see some bootleg T- shirts outside the venue for sale that say WOW ! :lol
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I wish they had a t-shirt with the original album cover, D/T equation logo. I just maybe too old for a t-shirt with a skull on it hehe
Ha, same here, I would like a shirt that has a space scene with a pale blue dot in the middle. Missed opportunity?
I could almost see some bootleg T- shirts outside the venue for sale that say WOW ! :lol
:lol
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I wish they had a t-shirt with the original album cover, D/T equation logo. I just maybe too old for a t-shirt with a skull on it hehe
Ha, same here, I would like a shirt that has a space scene with a pale blue dot in the middle. Missed opportunity?
I could almost see some bootleg T- shirts outside the venue for sale that say WOW ! :lol
They actually had a long sleeve PBD shirt on sale at the venue. Has the Voyager doodles down the left sleeve and "Dream Theater" text plus a blue dot on the front. Not available online (yet?)
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I wish they had a t-shirt with the original album cover, D/T equation logo. I just maybe too old for a t-shirt with a skull on it hehe
Ha, same here, I would like a shirt that has a space scene with a pale blue dot in the middle. Missed opportunity?
I could almost see some bootleg T- shirts outside the venue for sale that say WOW ! :lol
They actually had a long sleeve PBD shirt on sale at the venue. Has the Voyager doodles down the left sleeve and "Dream Theater" text plus a blue dot on the front. Not available online (yet?)
COOL! :tup
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A friend of mine who lives in USA attented two nights of Wiltred. We msg'd about that in ekşi sözlük. I asked him how he find DT's performance overall. He responded very long in Turkish. Here a couple of his thoughts I translated.
* The sound is too loud but James' mix is very low and even sometimes burried and literally there was no sound coming time to time even though James kept on singing.
* Stage looked so simple and good. Visiual effects of SFAM was great.
* This is the first concert that I feel Mike Mangini gives the Portnoy feeling and energy since his presence began. (And he thinks Mangini is technically andvanced but feeling was absent until this concert.)
* To be honest I have zero expection about James' performance because of I&W anniversary tour. But man, James slapped me right in the face. He is just amazing. Not just his voice. He was the most energetic member of all. I can't believe he performed Fatal Tragedy and The Spirit Carries On that well with all high notes.
* Seeing Pull Me Under in two nights was a big dissapointment. I love the song but enough is enough.
* Strange enough John Petrucci did many mistakes in two dates. I'm not a expert. Maybe this is a mix problem or something but several time he messed up some solos and passages. (he did go more than 20 concerts of DT and never witness that more than minor fails.)
* Overall this tour starts pretty amazing. After TA and I&W tours which I didn't enjoy that much DoT tour gave my energy back.
*I was in the second row for the Friday, March 22 show, right in front of JM. Unfortunately, I didn't get in the building until after Untethered Angel had started. It was VERY loud where I was, and it took a while either for my ears to adjust to the mix or for the sound guy to get it just right. If it was the latter, that's surprising for a second night at the same venue. I think this is also a by-product of how low-tuned many recent songs are. For most of the night, I couldn't hear JM at all, and that's disappointing, but it's not uncommon.
*The stage setup was really cool, with the stairs and platforms (although JP and JLB didn't make a ton of use of them, and JM made zero use of them).
*I thought MM was more subdued than he was on the ADTOE, DT12 and I&W&B tours. He posted something on Facebook on Saturday or Sunday about being very overwhelmed and happy to have had the off day on Saturday.
*JLB was on point all night (although there were times when he was very buried in the mix). I was a little concerned about going to the third of three consecutive nights at the start of the tour, but he delivered.
*Being completely honest, I was very disappointed with the inclusion of ANTR and ITPOE and both disappointed and surprised that they did PMU for the encore. I assumed that they would not have any I&W songs in the set (unless they perhaps decided to do Metropolis Part 1 in conjunction with SFAM). In the moment, however, I put that aside and REALLY enjoyed the show, although I have to confess that I sort of stood there and said, "really?" when JP played the opening notes of PMU. My friend, however, who is not a big DT fan, was thrilled that they played it.
*I recall noticing what I thought sounded like one mistake, but I don't recall who made it. That being said, it would take a pretty big gaffe for me to notice. It's not like I'm going to notice an F where there should have been an F# in a 64th note run.
My further observations:
*The crowd -- at least in my area -- was far more gender-diverse than at past DT shows. In particular, there were two REALLY attractive blondes who seemed to be there without male accompaniment in the first row of the left section. This actually made for some very entertaining moments in which a few younger guys were rocking out with them. One of them was very receptive to this and spent most of the SFAM set singing a duet with some guy (they even tried, poorly, to do a little jig during JR's old-timey keyboard part in TDOE).
*JM may as well be a statue. He's had zero stage presence for years, but it was very noticeable. I don't think he looked out at the crowd once, and he alternated from standing in front of his pedal board, looking down at his hands or feet, to standing sideways in front of MM. He and JP did their usual stand together parts in a couple of places, but they seemed to have very little interaction with each other. Having recently watched a couple of the old live shows, when JM was bouncing all over the place, this was a little disappointing (but not surprising). On a positive note, he very firmly shook my hand when the show was done.
*I was very happy with the lack of guitar, keyboard and drum solos. The return of the drum solo was one of the more disappointing parts of the MM-era shows I've seen because I'm REALLY not a fan of drum solos (Neil Peart being the notable exception). I'm even less of a fan of long guitar solos. JP's never done that, but I was glad not to have an extended wank section on TSCO. JR did use his keytar twice, but it made sense in context, and he used it sparingly.
*The SFAM set was everything I was hoping for. I missed the SFAM tour and, while this obviously isn't the same, it was absolutely amazing.
*Aside from the SFAM set, the highlight of the night was Barstool Warrior.
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Nice read, thank you.
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Wow, looks like I have about 12 pages of material to read through this morning! :lol Well, before I do, now that I have seen the show and can read this thread, here is my brief review of the show in San Francisco last night:
What a great day and great show! It is hard to believe that Dream Theater has been my favorite band for 20 years now. But at the same time, I am constantly reminded that the music and the live presentation they give the fans are always of such high quality that it should not be a surprise at all.
I went into the show relatively spoiler free. I say "relatively" because we all knew they were playing SFAM, which was going to eat up a HUGE amount of set time. And we knew they would play a lot from the new album, and that that would almost surely include some or all of the promo singles. So that didn't leave a lot of room. I had also been told by JP that my favorite song from d/t, At Wit's End, would not make it into the set this time around. But I had already surmised that anyway just based on set list time and what I figured were the most likely "must-play" songs, so that really wasn't much of a spoiler. So I knew a good deal of what would be played despite my efforts to stay "spoiler free," but there were still some nice surprises.
They went through Untethered Angel at soundcheck, and used some of the intro video to lead into it, so it was easy to figure out that that would open the show. (I was certain they were going to play it, but I thought it would be later in the set and that Fall Into the Light would be the likely show opener just because it has a very similar vibe to it as Constant Motion, which they used to open the Chaos in Motion tour) I saw and heard some other interesting things during sound check as well that I will not get into right now. I don't know when or how they may be brought in at some point. But it was very cool, and that's all I'll say about that. ;)
Anyhow, after that, my son and I left the venue to rejoin our group of friends that were hanging out up the street. We came back just a bit before doors opened, and there were a TON of meet-and-greet fans inside. I'm not sure if there has been a general uptick in other places for people buying those packages. But this was definitely more than I have seen in N. Cal. before. Before the show started, we ran into several old friends, some from DTF and some from real life. It's always great to catch up, even if those moments are brief.
When the lights finally went down, we were treated to a spooky, futuristic opening video reminiscent of Terminator and robots taking over the world, as we have seen in some of the promo videos and hinted at on the album art (by the way, LOVE James' mic stand, which also tied into that theme). Songs in set #1 (hopefully, I got them in the right order--I'm going off of memory):
-Untethered Angel
-A Nightmare To Remember
-Paralyzed
-Barstool Warrior
-In the Presence of Enemies, Pt. I
-Pale Blue Dot
When UA started, my son joked, "Yeah, yeah. We've seen that already..." :lol
I was super stoked for ANTR. It has long been my favorite from Black Clouds, and I figured it would be a beast in a live setting. It really translated well as a live song. And speaking of beasts, Mangini really stood out on this song.
Paralyzed was short and sweet. And I'll just take the opportunity right here to say that ALL of the songs they played from the new album really worked in a live setting. Paralyzed was no exception. I was a bit concerned that it would sound muddy live with those low, chugging riffs. But it sounded great!
Barstool Warrior was one I expected to be in the set, and it was a great addition. James in particular really sounded like he was loose and enjoying himself on this song. And it was a great choice of song to lighten up the tone of the set a bit without doing a ballad.
I was NOT expecting ITPOE. And it is not one I would have chosen. But it really fit in nicely with the rest of the set. And as one of my friends at the show commented, I forgot how much I really like that song.
When they started Pale Blue Dot, I was surprised. Not because they were playing it. But because I figured it to likely be the set one closer, and it seemed to come earlier than expected. I checked my watch, and quickly realized that by the end of the song, we would be right at an hour, so that was about right. But, man, the first set flew by! It wasn't "short," but it definitely had the desired effect of leaving us wanting more. PBD itself was fantastic live. The imagery on stage was dead on with what I envisioned them using to go with that song, and it REALLY worked. Great way to close the first set.
Set 2...well, we know what that is. And it was great. I knew going in that they had reworked the presentation and had new video to go with it, so I was expecting that. I was not expecting that particular style. But it was effective and complimented the music nicely. The band just tore it up. James was spot on. Mangini was beastly. JP was so precise and otherwordly. Jordan looked like he was having a blast. And Myung quietly held down the rock-solid, intricate rhythm as he always does. The presentation of this album on LSFNY really cemented DT as my favorite band and cemented SFAM as one of my all-time favorite albums. This presentation of the album really hammered that home. A few other stray notes about set #2:
-I really like what they did with Through Her Eyes and Finally Free. The changes were subtle, but very well done.
-Mangini REALLY cut loose on the end of Finally Free, and it was AWESOME!
-Jordan...he was just so great. He owned this set. And I love his new toy. The Zen Riffer is gone and replaces by something even more slick looking. It seems tailored to exactly what he likes to do and how he likes to play. It's cool getting to see him come up front for a bit and get to leave his keyboard world.
-As much as I've heard The Spirit Carries on and feel like it is a bit overplayed, it's such a great live song. It gets great crowd reaction every time. And in context of the entire album, it's even that much better. The sea of cell phone lights in the crowd (as well as the lone 1980s holdout who had an actual cigarette lighter out! :lol) really enhanced the atmosphere.
I was not expecting Pull Me Under as the encore song. I thought I remembered the band saying at some point that they were going to feature Awake, so I was really expecting something from Awake as the encore. But PMU was a great choice. DT has really done a fantastic job through the years of mixing things up and really giving a huge part of their catalog time to shine in their live shows. They have never felt the need to focus too much on their biggest hits. But in recent years, they have started to gravitate toward more regularly featuring the small handful of their better known songs that are closest to what most bands would consider their "must play" songs. I think it's a smart thing to do. Even though we've all heard Pull Me Under a ton of times, they have a lot of fans that were first exposed to the band by that song 27 years ago. And the fact that it's a great song doesn't change no matter how many times it gets played. It really ended the show on a nice note. Solid choice. :tup
A few other stray observations:
-The new stage setup was really cool. I'm not used to seeing stairs and multiple levels for the band to move around on, and it was nice to see them use it all. For obvious reasons, James utilized the different levels and spaces the most. But JP did at times as well, and Jordan did a bit as well.
-James really sounded good last night. His hard work and preparation through the years are evident when he takes the stage. It goes without saying that the material he has to deliver night after night is incredibly challenging. And it should be obvious to anyone in attendance that he gives it his all.
-And lastly, I just want to say that I am always impressed with the other people the band have with them on tour that I interact with. I have interacted with band management and/or crew for a few bands. But this band surrounds themselves with quality people who really feel like family that enjoy what they do. My hats off to all the people behind the scenes that make the band go!
To sum up the show in a word:
:wow:
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So I wasn't crazy. I was telling my buddies that I heard from a source that there was a rumor that we would have a track from Awake played... so we started taking bets on the Encore song :lol I was holding out for Erotomania / Voices or The Glass Prison.
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I was quite happy with the set, though At Wit's End would've been nice. Since I missed both the BCSL and SC tour, the whole first set was a first time for me. My secret wish at the end was that they would've let the white noise roll on as they were off stage and then they would've gone into Glass Prison for the encore.
It was good seeing you again Bosk, and Fierywinds as well, funny how you ended up five rows in front of me haha
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Well Bosky, no mosh as there isn't a pit, didn't matter as I moved as much as I could within my space :) I have been waiting to hear your review - I have been on DT high since Friday. Now since the only live shows I have seen have been TA, I was really stoked to hear whatever they played. And knowing SFAM was coming - my first in-love album from them - the hype was big.
My son has been into them less than I and we both really dig Nightmare and ItPoE, so when Nightmare started, we turned to each other, I said "is it that?" and he was just grinning nodding his head frantically!! :o :metal Then later with ItPoE, we again were just enjoying that moment together with that same glee. What made the surprise more surprising is that your predictions were what I expected....:) I haven't enjoyed a surprise like that I think ever....
I usually have my eyes on JP and JLB, but this night belonged to JLB and MM!. Man, I loved watching him play. Seeing him count for some reason is enjoyable for me, and at one point JP was up there facing him, MM was counting to 5 over and over. The section ended and they both laughed. :lol
I am finally coming down a bit, but super excited that I get to go again next Sunday - treating my sis-in-law to some "sonic ecstasy" lol!! :rollin
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To respond to a bunch of posts throughout the thread:
JP'll probably lip sync it.
Just to address this: JP does not lip sync. If you happen to be close enough to him during the show, you can hear him singing. But they do use backing tracks for the vocals, and JP's live vocals are low in the mix. That is the reason you are primarily hearing "another James" and the backing track. JP sings his parts to blend in, not to stand out as another singer.
I’ll be interested to see the encore. If they do just tracks from the new album, then why bother having us do that “What songs do you want to hear” thing.
That was MY choice to do that, not something the band had me do. And they are glad for the feedback. They had already planned this leg of the tour by the time those songs got to them. But that doesn't mean that our choices won't show up. Be patient.
Two things I noticed from pictures and video online already. No amps on stage, and Mangini is playing only one bass drum. Besides acoustic shows, that’s a first for DT. The single kick, that’s is.
Well, JP hasn't had (real) amps on stage for years and years so no change there. Not sure about JM.
Amps, no. I mean, he has his signature Mesas. But you're right--they aren't on top of speaker cabs right behind him that are pointed at the stage, as we're used to seeing a lot of musicians do through the years. But he does have speakers, and has for awhile. I can't remember whether he did it first for the AFTR tour or the TA tour, but he had his diamond plate footrests modified to have speakers in them. And as you can see in the video from this tour, he has more "traditional" wedge speakers by his pedal rig. Since they all use inner ear speakers, it isn't really necessary to have monitors onstage. But he does it for the times he needs to get some guitar feedback. You can't do that without monitors.
I feel like doing all of SFAM on the SECOND time through would've been fine. At least get a proper D/T tour first.
Yeah, but then they'd miss the anniversary opportunity. And doing SFAM to further boost ticket sales (which it will across the broader fan base) at this stage of things really makes a ton of business sense. It's really a VERY solid choice for right now. And this is Dream Theater we're talking about. Those other d/t songs WILL be played at some point, whether it is on another leg of the d/t tour or on future tours. Can you think of a band with such a huge catalog of music that goes out of their way to constantly play so much of it? There aren't many.
And related to that, regarding various comments about PMU being overplayed: Considering it is by far their biggest hit and was their breakout song 27 years ago, it's honestly surprising that it isn't in almost every single set. And it makes total sense that, on a tour where they are going to be pulling in fans who haven't seen them in awhile that will come for the nostalgia factor of seeing SFAM, they would play their biggest hit ever. I think anyone who might be inclined to complain about that might to well to just get some perspective. We're talking one song. It's not like they are a certain band that, over the same span of time, has a running 30-minute span of songs to close almost every show that consists of Number of the Beast, Run To the Hills, Iron Maiden, Hallowed Be Thy Name, and Running Free. Every. Single. Show. :lol
Also Manginis cymbal placement made sense in a recording environment, but live? ;D. His shoulder must hurt like hell playing this kind of music every other night.
He was joking after the show last night that he loves looking in the mirror at himself now, because playing that way is creating a lot of upper body muscle definition he didn't have before. :lol
People make WAAY too big of a deal about those Portnoy growls.
How so? The drummer (who is frankly not a good vocalist, especially when you have one of the top vocalists in the genre) sang some rather poor lyrics in a style completely different from their vocalist.
Let's please keep the Haken discussion in the Haken thread and keep this thread about DT.
I was quite happy with the set, though At Wit's End would've been nice. Since I missed both the BCSL and SC tour, the whole first set was a first time for me. My secret wish at the end was that they would've let the white noise roll on as they were off stage and then they would've gone into Glass Prison for the encore.
I was thinking the exact same thing!
It was good seeing you again Bosk, and Fierywinds as well, funny how you ended up five rows in front of me haha
:tup
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OH
I noticed something on Friday night...
During Fatal Tragedy, James didn't do the "There can be no turning back / There can be no piece of miiiind" with John like he did during the Dramatic Tour. I really liked how they did it then... sounded a bit better than just JP and the back track singing it. Either that, or I wish they'd bump JP's mic for those. (Or it could just be the sound levels at The Wiltern were fugly).
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Well Bosky, no mosh as there isn't a pit, didn't matter as I moved as much as I could within my space :)
:lol Yeah, it is what it is. I wasn't sure whether our venue would be seated, since the Masonic can be configured either way. When I was let in for sound check and saw the layout, I commented on that, and was informed that the band prefer seated gigs and are booking either venues with seating or that can be configured that way.
I have been on DT high since Friday.
I know I definitely am. And I NEED it. Didn't get home and in bed until about 2:30, and even "sleeping in," I had to get up at 6:30 to get to the office. I NEED that DT high! But it's definitely there. Such an awesome performance. I just loved it. And got to talk to James and Mike a bit after the show about some things that still have me smiling. :)
And knowing SFAM was coming - my first in-love album from them - the hype was big.
You know, funny that you mention that. I said above what a huge role that album played for me in my DT fandom (and music fandom in general). But honestly, I wasn't sure how I felt about it going it. I thought it was great that they were doing it. But I wasn't sure I would enjoy it as much as I...wanted to enjoy it, if that makes sense. But experiencing it live, I am SO glad I had the opportunity to see it.
My son has been into them less than I and we both really dig Nightmare and ItPoE, so when Nightmare started, we turned to each other, I said "is it that?" and he was just grinning nodding his head frantically!! :o :metal
Yeah, I was SUPER excited that they played that. With the opening thunder peals, I turned to my friend on the right and literally did one of these:
:fistpump:
I was a bit less excited about ITPOE, but just because it caught me so off guard. I wasn't expecting that at all. Even though I've listened to that album a fair amount recently, it took a second for it to click what they were playing just because it was so far from what I expected. My reaction was kind of like, "Wait, what...?? Oh, they're playing...Hmm...that's interesting...Hmm...oh yeah...OH YEAH! I LOVE THIS!" :lol
I don't usually have the luxury of going into a DT show nowadays and not knowing what will be played, so this was kind of nice.
I usually have my eyes on JP and JLB, but this night belonged to JLB and MM!. Man, I loved watching him play. Seeing him count for some reason is enjoyable for me, and at one point JP was up there facing him, MM was counting to 5 over and over. The section ended and they both laughed. :lol
:lol Yeah, I know exactly what part you are talking about. They did that at our show as well, and I loved it.
I am finally coming down a bit, but super excited that I get to go again next Sunday - treating my sis-in-law to some "sonic ecstasy" lol!! :rollin
:tup
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Thanks Bosk! :heart
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Brilliant review, Bosk. :tup
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Thanks. :) Sorry it was so long.
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It was a really well put together show. Good crowd for a Sunday too. Capacity at the Masonic is just shy of 3,500. I'd say there were a solid 2,900-3,000. Nice venue with good sound too. Deceptive from the outside. You're thinking old theater. It's completely state-of-the-art inside. Nice acoustics too. So if you're a Bay Area rock/metal fan who had never been there (like me), its a solid place for a gig.
Dream Theater deserve a lot of credit. Every time out, they put forth an incredible effort. Whether they are sick, missing home, tired, all of the above, once they hit the stage, they deliver. Continually. And a special shout out to James. There are a lot of musicians on this board, so this comment doesn't really apply to you all, since I think most of you "get it." But James has the most difficult job in the band. He has an organic instrument that over the course of his 27 years with the band, has continually changed. And he's expected by most to deliver near album-like precision each night, spanning back almost three decades. Its an impossible task. But he works his butt off to get his voice in as top shape as possible, working with it to find a consistency point and it shows. I've been fortunate to watch the preparation of a lot of singers like James over the years in bigger touring acts that have a difficult-to-sing catalog. In San Francisco, he gets the ultimately compliment -- he was consistent in his delivery from start to finish. A consummate professional. Big :tup to the Pirate.
p.s. was tempted to make a crack to Mangini later in the evening when he came out in a Red Sox jersey, but thought I might get thrown out if I started chanting "Let's Go Yankees!" :biggrin:
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Thanks. :) Sorry it was so long.
One of the reasons I love DT and it applies here.
It's never too long :)
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Great show review, Bosk! :tup
Btw, did you happen to hear anything about them coming to South America for this tour? :biggrin:
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Btw, did you happen to hear anything about them coming to South America for this tour? :biggrin:
Dunno. Unfortunately, there were a variety of circumstances that all converged to give me a lot less time talking to the band than I usually get. It was unfortunate and a bit disappointing. But that's how it goes sometimes. Still a great experience.
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Nice review Bosk. Interesting because you have some inside info.
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I saw and heard some other interesting things during sound check as well that I will not get into right now. I don't know when or how they may be brought in at some point. But it was very cool, and that's all I'll say about that. ;)
Tease!
One thing I didn't mention in my prior post was that a bunch of folks were lined up along the edge of the stage as the road crew started tearing things down. One other person and I were trying to get someone to give us the set list that was taped down near JM's pedal board (not sure how we'd have divided it had we gotten it). A guy who I assume was JM's bass tech ignored us, and then another guy seemed willing to give it to us and was about to start removing it from the floor, but the first guy tapped him on the back and told him not to do so. I couldn't help but wonder why.
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I saw and heard some other interesting things during sound check as well that I will not get into right now. I don't know when or how they may be brought in at some point. But it was very cool, and that's all I'll say about that. ;)
Tease!
One thing I didn't mention in my prior post was that a bunch of folks were lined up along the edge of the stage as the road crew started tearing things down. One other person and I were trying to get someone to give us the set list that was taped down near JM's pedal board (not sure how we'd have divided it had we gotten it). A guy who I assume was JM's bass tech ignored us, and then another guy seemed willing to give it to us and was about to start removing it from the floor, but the first guy tapped him on the back and told him not to do so. I couldn't help but wonder why.
I was front row during for a show on TA tour, the setlist was right in front of me and kept asking the techs for it after the show and they said no. I don't get it, that's a fun part (throwing it into the crowd) and nice piece of memorabilia for the show for whoever gets it. I was pretty upset, when I saw it there I thought for sure my chances were super high I would be leaving with it.
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I saw and heard some other interesting things during sound check as well that I will not get into right now. I don't know when or how they may be brought in at some point. But it was very cool, and that's all I'll say about that. ;)
Tease!
One thing I didn't mention in my prior post was that a bunch of folks were lined up along the edge of the stage as the road crew started tearing things down. One other person and I were trying to get someone to give us the set list that was taped down near JM's pedal board (not sure how we'd have divided it had we gotten it). A guy who I assume was JM's bass tech ignored us, and then another guy seemed willing to give it to us and was about to start removing it from the floor, but the first guy tapped him on the back and told him not to do so. I couldn't help but wonder why.
I was front row during for a show on TA tour, the setlist was right in front of me and kept asking the techs for it after the show and they said no. I don't get it, that's a fun part (throwing it into the crowd) and nice piece of memorabilia for the show for whoever gets it. I was pretty upset, when I saw it there I thought for sure my chances were super high I would be leaving with it.
The only legit reason I can think of for not giving it away is if it has info that the band (or JM) doesn't want made public, but it appeared to me nothing more than a list of songs. The stage at the Wiltern a good 4.5+ feet high, though, so it's not like I got a great look at it.
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I feel like doing all of SFAM on the SECOND time through would've been fine. At least get a proper D/T tour first.
Yeah, but then they'd miss the anniversary opportunity. And doing SFAM to further boost ticket sales (which it will across the broader fan base) at this stage of things really makes a ton of business sense. It's really a VERY solid choice for right now. And this is Dream Theater we're talking about. Those other d/t songs WILL be played at some point, whether it is on another leg of the d/t tour or on future tours. Can you think of a band with such a huge catalog of music that goes out of their way to constantly play so much of it? There aren't many.
I understand it's an Anniversary and a chance to cash in. And I have long appreciated the amount of their catalog that gets played, and JP has certainly acquitted himself as a great setlist writer.
Hey, the move has obviously worked. Seems the Boston show is sold out.
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I've been attending DT shows in NYC for 10 years now, first time seeing one sold out (maybe last time was for Score?) sucks for me because I was banking on it not selling out when I wasn't able to get any decent seats during the time it went on sale.
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Does anyone know if they are still selling the signed merch?
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They were last night.
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As a more recent fan (2014, seen them on tour each go around since) I am a tad disappointed that SDoIT is not represented in the set list. Overall though.... set list is fine. Also, I get that SFaM has to be played in its entirety but, I heard 4 songs from it on Along For The Ride tour. And the encore...Pull Me Under? I mean, come on..IaW was just played in its entirety last go around. Minor shit I know..looking forward to catching the Masonic show. :metal ;D
^^ Disregard this nonsense I posted above. SFaM was great That is all
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Twin Cities seems to be nearly sold out. They sold out in 2014 really quickly because they played a smaller venue (I think their usual/larger venues were booked), and TA had probably 85-90% sell through. They skipped us for the I&W tour so there’s probably some pent up demand compared to other cities.
Glad to see they still do well in MN despite being a smaller market.
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Despite my quibbles that more new songs should be played, I am glad to see everyone is enjoying the shows so far. :tup :tup
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When I was let in for sound check and saw the layout, I commented on that, and was informed that the band prefer seated gigs and are booking either venues with seating or that can be configured that way.
And a large proportion of their fan base are crying out FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WHY? It sucks all the atmosphere out of what is supposed to be a metal gig, and fans who can't stand up for that long can get seats in the balcony / bleachers. Leave the stalls area standing! This is heavy metal, not Barry Manilow!
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I prefer seated.
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Both are fine. It's the same concert after all.
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I prefer seated.
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When I was let in for sound check and saw the layout, I commented on that, and was informed that the band prefer seated gigs and are booking either venues with seating or that can be configured that way.
And a large proportion of their fan base are crying out FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WHY? It sucks all the atmosphere out of what is supposed to be a metal gig, and fans who can't stand up for that long can get seats in the balcony / bleachers. Leave the stalls area standing! This is heavy metal, not Barry Manilow!
Why should fans who can't stand for an entire show be stuck in the back or up top?
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Seating also helps relative short-arses like me (5'6) to actually see the band as well as hear it ;D
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I was in the 4th row and Nobody sat. I like the GA, but am gonna stand anyway.
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Not a complaint just an observation but they played songs off only 5 albums. Of course one of those was an entire album. :)
I and W
SFAM
Chaos
Black Clouds
D/T
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That's my point - everyone stands anyway. The seats just become an obstacle, and you can't move if you're stuck next to some a-hole with bad personal hygiene issues, or who just wants to shout into his phone all night.
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That's my point - everyone stands anyway.
I prefer sitting. I really don't see the point in standing. I'm just there to watch and listen. No one stands during a movie in a cinema. The only time I stand is when I can't see because everyone in front of my is standing.
The best part about seeing The Astonishing (thrice) was that no one was standing. I got to just sit and enjoy, not constantly move my head from left to right trying to maintain line of sight with the stage.
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That's my point - everyone stands anyway.
I prefer sitting. I really don't see the point in standing. I'm just there to watch and listen. No one stands during a movie in a cinema. The only time I stand is when I can't see because everyone in front of my is standing.
The best part about seeing The Astonishing (thrice) was that no one was standing. I got to just sit and enjoy, not constantly move my head from left to right trying to maintain line of sight with the stage.
I agree. There are moments in the concerts where I've jumped from my seat in excitement and what not but in large I prefer to sit and enjoy. I don't see what's wrong with that?
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I prefer sitting back and enjoying. ALTHOUGH I do love when I see Living Colour with general admission getting right up against the stage and feeling like I am part of it like I did two years ago. I used to do that in the early days of DT when they played the Birch Hill in the early 90's. But standing when I am far back I don't see the point other than the appearance of being more into it, when the band looks out.
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I prefer not only to stand, but to get into the music, meaning move my arms and body and not be confined to a seat. However, I've been to enough DT shows to know that their fan base would prefer to stand motionless and take the show more like a movie or play than like a traditional metal concert. It's a reason why this is a meme my friends joke about when I ask if they want to come with me to see DT:
(https://pics.me.me/dream-theater-mosh-pit-29023521.png)
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As someone whose formative years were spent in GA venues: I hate seated venues. There is zero energy, and many artists have said as much.
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As someone whose formative years were spent in GA venues: I hate seated venues. There is zero energy, and many artists have said as much.
I'm paying to be entertained by the artists, not the other way around.
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To quote Marco Minnemann from the drummer auditions: "You give energy to the people, and they give it back".
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To quote Marco Minnemann from the drummer auditions: "You give energy to the people, and they give it back".
Bingo. My preference is always to have seats, so I can pick my spots when I want to sit or stand, although I will never be that guy standing when everyone else behind me is sitting, but it goes without saying that most bands will feed off of an energetic crowd.
That's my point - everyone stands anyway.
No they don't.
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A close comparison (prog music) could be Steven Wilson who's last US tour he chose GA venues because he didn't like the low energy of seated venues, and his music is much less heavy than DT. But that's the artist choice, it seems DT are fine with the low energy crowd.
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The really annoying thing about seated venues is this constant
1 Stand up when song ends, clap and cheer
2 Stay standing for a while, then because there's a seat behind you you sit down
3 The guys in front of you are more diehard than you, so they stay standing longer
4 Some sitting guy asks the standing guys to sit down, they eventually do it
5 Song ends, goto 1
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Sounds like church.
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I've said this before here, but my good friend and I saw Iron Maiden during AMOLAD tour, we were poor then and could only get nosebleeds, but we stood the entire time but near the end, the people behind us I guess got tired of us being in their way and started complaining to us. My friend caved in and sat, I said sorry I'm not sitting this is my favorite band and the only time I may ever see these songs. My friend regrets sitting to this day. Said it ruined the show for him as he lost his feeling for the show.
Flash forward 10 years and last year we saw the Images and Words tour. We stood the entire time and the people behind said they had no problem, but the people behind them complained and even got an usher but the usher didn't care, we stood the entire time. it felt like a make up for the past. Now, I do feel kind of like an ass, but also, support the band and show you are into it. I'm sure the band enjoyed seeing two people standing and moving along to the music.
I know JP shook my hand after the TA show because he probably saw I was the only one bobbing my head and acting like I really enjoyed the show. (I was in front row seated for that one, but it just confirmed that he did notice someone was really into the music, he didn't shake anyone elses hand before he left the stage).
Sounds like church.
:lol
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Speaking of church, the weirdest seated gig was actually recently with Neal Morse Band. They played at the Sinclair in Cambridge, a quite popular venue because it is GA with a balcony surrounding the GA area. But ... they put chairs onto the GA area. It felt like a church sitting because of it.
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To quote Marco Minnemann from the drummer auditions: "You give energy to the people, and they give it back".
Bingo. My preference is always to have seats, so I can pick my spots when I want to sit or stand, although I will never be that guy standing when everyone else behind me is sitting, but it goes without saying that most bands will feed off of an energetic crowd.
This probably best describes how I feel. I don't typically like GA because I like some semblence of personal space. Aside from not liking having (other) sweaty guys pressed up against me, I once had a situation at an Evanescence concert at the Wiltern. They did GA on the floor within the various tiers. I was toward the front of one of the tiers, about halfway back on the floor. Some 20-something girl was pressed up against my back (as though the difference between being 120 and 121 feet from the stage would make a significant difference) and singing at the top of her longs (off key for the most part). When my dirty looks didn't get her to back off or reduce her volume, I started enhancing my backswing when I pumped my arms to the music.
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Speaking of church, the weirdest seated gig was actually recently with Neal Morse Band. They played at the Sinclair in Cambridge, a quite popular venue because it is GA with a balcony surrounding the GA area. But ... they put chairs onto the GA area. It felt like a church sitting because of it.
Neal Morse Band
It's kinda a church :biggrin:
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I don't typically like GA because I like some semblence of personal space.
Right. I view seats on the floor not for sitting, but as a spacer. :lol
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Another thing I really like about GA is the fact that you can choose different vantage points of the band. I can decide halfway in that I want to be closer to the bass player, or that I'm fine seeing the band from afar for a while.
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Generally, I prefer a GA section on the floor. I like getting close to the stage and feeling the energy of the crowd. Yeah, you have to deal with inconsiderate idiots, drunks, and other nuisances. But I still feel like the overall concert experience is usually better. At a prog show, whether it's DT, Neal Morse, Transatlantic, or whatever, it IS kinda nice to be able to just sit quietly and take in all the intricacies of what is going on, kind of like a enjoying a symphony or something. So there is that side too. But I still generally prefer GA.
Anyhow, I've been to plenty of gigs that were seated and plenty that were not. Preferences aside, neither really ruins a show. It can be great either way. Interestingly, when I went to see DT on the TA tour, it was seated and everyone stayed seated. (the second show did have a separate standing section that a few of us made our way to) For the show the other night, it was seated, but once the band came out, everyone stood, and I was glad they did.
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A lot of comment on the seating (or non-seating) choice by the band. For me, it depends. As I've gotten older, I prefer having seats. I'm short, so I continually deal with tall people being in front of me regardless of the configuration.
I firmly believe that GA configs provide a lot more energy. But for those that are saying that DT is a metal show -- they used to be. In the 90s. They aren't any longer. For those who feel this way - I'm with ya. Seeing SFAM from seats (albeit I was standing the whole time) was sorta...lame. Mosh pits were necessary at points, and there were none. When I saw it performed on Feb. 26, 2000, in NYC at Roseland, my only memory that remains was during "Home," where the entire audience had so much energy, that I literally was picked up off my feet (still vertical) and transported to the other side of the venue. It was both an incredible and scary feeling. But there was SO. MUCH. ENERGY.
These days, while that energy is lacking a bit, I absolutely see the safety concerns involved, and the shift in audience a bit (a lot of us old metal dudes are old now - ha ha).
But DT has evolved to become more of a metal opera kind of band whose audiences are less full-on metal, and more very technical and progressive driven (at least to my observation). So it makes sense. Sort of like how Savatage evolved into TSO essentially. So, I get it. Either way, its still a great show, and if DT prefers seated options when available, that's their choice. It doesn't bother me either way (although admittedly, my legs are killing me because I HAD to stand the entire time because of people in front of me on Sunday night - hahahaha).
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The frustrating thing for me regarding the seats in the floor section of the Wiltern Theater is that if you get placed in the far back of the section (like I was), you can't get a clear view of the stage because everyone was standing and since the area was all flat, it wasn't slanting downward too hard. If I had known it was going to be the case, I would have picked a seat in the mezzanine or the lodge area in the second floor. That way, I have a clear view of the stage regardless if people in front of me were standing or not. If it was all GA, first come first serve, it would have been a lot better for my viewpoint on the floor since I would have gotten there a lot earlier and get a better chance at a better view. Plus, with seats, you find that you risk the idea of someone standing on the seat to get a better view (I have mentioned my frustration about that enough, last Thursday, but it keeps being relevant in topics like this).
It's like if DT is going to be perceived like a metal opera, maybe the audience in the far back should react in kind and stay seated or be more considerate of the people behind them. It's not that hard.
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I prefer a seated venue, but only so I can have my designated spot. I prefer to stand in front of my seat, though these days at most DT shows the majority of the crowd sits which is unfortunate. I don't want to stand while the people behind me are sitting, so I sit. The first DT show I went to in a seated theater had pretty much the entire crowd standing which was awesome. I guess that was just a fluke.
Anyone else notice JP has switched to a wireless unit? He's always been a cable man. Probably has to do with the elaborate stage setup with the stairs and risers and whatnot. Thought it was interesting though.
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Anyone else notice JP has switched to a wireless unit? He's always been a cable man. Probably has to do with the elaborate stage setup with the stairs and risers and whatnot. Thought it was interesting though.
It was cool to see him running around a bit and using the risers. The band was a lot more active (JLB and JP, along with JR getting free using the keytar a couple times), and I'm glad. It brought a bit more energetic vibe.
Also -- I haven't scrolled back to see, but the animations used, particularly the headstones in the graveyard, were a very, very classy touch. Kudos to whoever in DT's camp thought of that. It didn't go unnoticed. :tup
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Yeah, it was cool to see JP moving around a lot more than he usually does and I'm sure he probably felt a lot less confined to one area. Untethered Guitar God! :lol
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Also -- I haven't scrolled back to see, but the animations used, particularly the headstones in the graveyard, were a very, very classy touch. Kudos to whoever in DT's camp thought of that. It didn't go unnoticed. :tup
That was a nice little touch. When the Cornell headstone shown up, it got a big crowd response (and rightfully so) in LA.
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Amen. I think that was the last one. Got a good response in SF too.
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A lot of comment on the seating (or non-seating) choice by the band. For me, it depends. As I've gotten older, I prefer having seats. I'm short, so I continually deal with tall people being in front of me regardless of the configuration.
I firmly believe that GA configs provide a lot more energy. But for those that are saying that DT is a metal show -- they used to be. In the 90s. They aren't any longer. For those who feel this way - I'm with ya. Seeing SFAM from seats (albeit I was standing the whole time) was sorta...lame. Mosh pits were necessary at points, and there were none. When I saw it performed on Feb. 26, 2000, in NYC at Roseland, my only memory that remains was during "Home," where the entire audience had so much energy, that I literally was picked up off my feet (still vertical) and transported to the other side of the venue. It was both an incredible and scary feeling. But there was SO. MUCH. ENERGY.
These days, while that energy is lacking a bit, I absolutely see the safety concerns involved, and the shift in audience a bit (a lot of us old metal dudes are old now - ha ha).
But DT has evolved to become more of a metal opera kind of band whose audiences are less full-on metal, and more very technical and progressive driven (at least to my observation). So it makes sense. Sort of like how Savatage evolved into TSO essentially. So, I get it. Either way, its still a great show, and if DT prefers seated options when available, that's their choice. It doesn't bother me either way (although admittedly, my legs are killing me because I HAD to stand the entire time because of people in front of me on Sunday night - hahahaha).
Standing in heels!! It's ok - I like to stand and the sore feet go with the sore ears! :lol
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Standing in heels!! It's ok - I like to stand and the sore feet go with the sore ears! :lol
:lol all part of the concert experience, occasionally with a hang over too
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Anyone else notice JP has switched to a wireless unit? He's always been a cable man. Probably has to do with the elaborate stage setup with the stairs and risers and whatnot. Thought it was interesting though.
It was cool to see him running around a bit and using the risers. The band was a lot more active (JLB and JP, along with JR getting free using the keytar a couple times), and I'm glad. It brought a bit more energetic vibe.
Also -- I haven't scrolled back to see, but the animations used, particularly the headstones in the graveyard, were a very, very classy touch. Kudos to whoever in DT's camp thought of that. It didn't go unnoticed. :tup
What headstones in the grave yard?
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During the Scenes portion of the show. I forget which show. It may have been The Spirit Carries On. I don't remember.
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That's incredible
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During the Scenes portion of the show. I forget which show. It may have been The Spirit Carries On. I don't remember.
Thank you. I meant what were the names on them?
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During the Scenes portion of the show. I forget which show. It may have been The Spirit Carries On. I don't remember.
Thank you. I meant what were the names on them?
Squire
Emerson
Cornell
Abbott
Those are the ones I remember, but there were more (probably had Lake too).
It was a very cool touch. Squire was the first one I noticed, and then I realized what they were doing. Almost brought a tear to my eye.
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During the Scenes portion of the show. I forget which show. It may have been The Spirit Carries On. I don't remember.
Thank you. I meant what were the names on them?
Squire
Emerson
Cornell
Abbott
Those are the ones I remember, but there were more (probably had Lake too).
It was a very cool touch. Squire was the first one I noticed, and then I realized what they were doing. Almost brought a tear to my eye.
Very nice. :)
On another note a great close video of Pale Blue Dot, can see Mangini very well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFwlJ9DoZL4
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You can totally hear JLB getting the words wrong on the second verse and tracks louder than labrie getting them right.
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I really hate the stage design. It makes no sense for a stationary band like Dream Theater to have steps and walkways.
I also wish they'd just put Rudess and Mangini in between the 3 front guys instead of having the drums always in the middle and Rudess right behind Myung. JR for sure needs more space to cast his spells and putting Mangini further towards the other side would be great. Petrucci has nothing behind him anyway so it's just wasted space. Oh, wait, he has an acoustic guitar for a few songs that gets taken away for the others.
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Life was so simple then
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On the last tour I went to see them at Le Zenith in Paris (GA) and Hammersmith Odeon (I refuse to call it the Eventime Apollo, It will always be the Hammy-O to me) in London (seated). Both shows were great, with lots of energy, but the Paris show had a lot more of that energy, and everyone at the Hammy-O stood all night anyway.
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So are there any interesting extended sections / solos etc this time? I liked how in the I&W tour they brought back those cool little things like the segment of enter sandman + Glasgow kiss, james' stories, bass solo etc.
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So there were some comments after the first concert, where it was pointed out that JP did some uncommon hick ups. Anybody checked videos of more recent concerts of this tour and can say, if he already got it all down?
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So there were some comments after the first concert, where it was pointed out that JP did some uncommon hick ups. Anybody checked videos of more recent concerts of this tour and can say, if he already got it all down?
I can’t imagine that he wouldn’t have addressed that. It’s fairly rare he has hiccups and the fact he had a couple probably didn’t sit well with him.
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Anyone else notice JP has switched to a wireless unit? He's always been a cable man. Probably has to do with the elaborate stage setup with the stairs and risers and whatnot. Thought it was interesting though.
That totally caught my attention, to the best of my knowledge, JP has never toured with a wireless unit before, he's ALWAYS been a cable guy. In fact he's made a point over the years of mentioning it in rig videos, that he prefers the sound of a cable. It's worth noting JMX is wireless for this tour too, not sure if he has ever done that before or not.
It's definitely done to improve mobility around the stage... That said...
I really hate the stage design. It makes no sense for a stationary band like Dream Theater to have steps and walkways.
I don't hate the stage design, it's cool to see them try something different (for them) and the production value of the show seems great. But I agree, that it's weird to set the stage up like that because they still are largely stationary from the videos I've seen.
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I fully embrace the stage design. They need to move around more! As long as it doesn’t make their performances sloppier.
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I have been to multiple standing shows in the last couple of years, and as I (and my legs) am getting older, they absolutely take a toll on me for the rest of the evening and for a day or two afterwards. So I am glad that at a DT show, I will have a seat should I need it (and I will).
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Anyone else notice JP has switched to a wireless unit? He's always been a cable man. Probably has to do with the elaborate stage setup with the stairs and risers and whatnot. Thought it was interesting though.
That totally caught my attention, to the best of my knowledge, JP has never toured with a wireless unit before, he's ALWAYS been a cable guy. In fact he's made a point over the years of mentioning it in rig videos, that he prefers the sound of a cable. It's worth noting JMX is wireless for this tour too, not sure if he has ever done that before or not.
JP has always used cables and JM has been using wireless for a while now (funny, because he almost never moves during the show, I'd be surprised if he even blinks onstage at all :lol).
The stage design looks very very cool, and it's a nice change for them. Yes, they could move around a bit more, but they aren't 20 year olds running around the stage like on the Live in Tokyo IAW release anymore.
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I think it's a great setup. It is a very cool looking design and adds a lot without being TOO busy or TOO elaborate. And for a band that moves around as little as DT, it is nice for actually encouraging them to move a bit more. From a visual perspective from the audience point of view, it makes the stage bigger. For the band onstage, it takes away the big empty space that comprises most of downstage, and instead creates a lot more smaller spaces, which is nice for the band. When they move to any given space, there isn't just this big awkward expanse of space that they don't know how to use, so the space can just feel a lot more manageable, and I think that translates better to the audience.
Now that they have a catwalk behind the drums, they just need to add in a movable keyboard track like what Coen Janssen in Epica has. :metalol:
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Now that they have a catwalk behind the drums, they just need to add in a movable keyboard track like what Coen Janssen in Epica has. :metalol:
:lol
They could set ap a roller coaster track so MM could play upside down like Tommy Lee. Could you imagine MM reaching for those highly mounted crash cymbals while inverted?
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:lol
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I prefer seated as well, I'm done with the pushing and shoving, the fight to remain in your spot, getting to the venue at 7 am to get a spot near the front.
Standing through shitty opening bands, stand waiting for the band to take the stage, getting so thirsty but not being able to leave your spot cause you know you won't be able to get back to it. Hardly being able to walk the next day, none of that shit is a fun part of the experience for me.
Unfortunately Dream Theater is the only band I like that does seating venues, as a result they're only band I see where I still function the following morning, except for my voice heh
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I think it's a great setup. It is a very cool looking design and adds a lot without being TOO busy or TOO elaborate. And for a band that moves around as little as DT, it is nice for actually encouraging them to move a bit more. From a visual perspective from the audience point of view, it makes the stage bigger. For the band onstage, it takes away the big empty space that comprises most of downstage, and instead creates a lot more smaller spaces, which is nice for the band. When they move to any given space, there isn't just this big awkward expanse of space that they don't know how to use, so the space can just feel a lot more manageable, and I think that translates better to the audience.
Now that they have a catwalk behind the drums, they just need to add in a movable keyboard track like what Coen Janssen in Epica has. :metalol:
I thought that catwalk was so James could hit the cymbals if MM's arms got too tired.
I really liked the stage setup. A very cool feel.
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The stage design looks good to me, I initially wondered why they had the cat walk, but if people are saying they use it (I've spoiled myself with setlists and pics, but have stayed away from watching videos of their shows to leave that part up to when I see them), then that's good. Seems they haven't moved much in the past and if they are using this extra space then I commend them for trying something new in their live show.
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The stage design looks good to me, I initially wondered why they had the cat walk, but if people are saying they use it (I've spoiled myself with setlists and pics, but have stayed away from watching videos of their shows to leave that part up to when I see them), then that's good. Seems they haven't moved much in the past and if they are using this extra space then I commend them for trying something new in their live show.
They used it a bit, but not much. In retrospect, I can understand the view that says "why have it if you're barely going to use it." My take is that I liked it but felt like they could have made more/better use of it.
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Well, as far as "using it," it put JR higher than his normal keyboard platform, so from that perspective, it was used constantly. JP was up on the platform 3-4 times during the set in SF. And it felt like James was up there every other or every 3rd song. Granted, he didn't stay up there long, but still. I think they made fine use of it. Heck, Maiden's platform area on their stages is massive, and other than Bruce being up there for The Trooper, they barely use it as I recall.
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That one is being used only by Bruce, and he spends almost half of every show up there. ;D
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He only waves the flag up there for the Trooper, but spends significant time running across that all show. But we are also comparing DT to an arena act where that huge stage and using that space is more useful for engaging with a large and far away audience (Bruce has talked about this). If DT use the space, it's great I think. My initial thought was a bit surprised to see it though.
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With the current tour's setlist and many complaints about it, like playing PMU again or doing these anniversary tours, I decided to look into DT's full catalog and list all the songs they've played live since MM joined the band, more than 8 years ago, to see how varied the setlists have been since the first show with this lineup.
Well, out of 170 DT tracks which are basically the whole catalog, considering 14 studio albums, ACOS, Majesty demos, Cleaning out the Closet, Raw Dog, etc, since Mangini joined they've played a total of 111 tracks (I'm counting FAS and the NOMAC tracks here as well), which makes about 65% of the catalog, counting tracks, not lenght. That's an incredible thing right there. And if they keep touring for D/T next year and don't do the SFAM thing anymore, they could do the other songs from the album that haven't been played yet + others from previous albums they haven't played since MM joined, that % could go even higher.
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During the Scenes portion of the show. I forget which show. It may have been The Spirit Carries On. I don't remember.
Thank you. I meant what were the names on them?
Squire
Emerson
Cornell
Abbott
Those are the ones I remember, but there were more (probably had Lake too).
It was a very cool touch. Squire was the first one I noticed, and then I realized what they were doing. Almost brought a tear to my eye.
Thanks man. I hadn't noticed Emerson and Abbott. At the Denver show last night, I did notice Bowie and Zappa on the last two headstones as well. It was a nice sentimental touch!
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What’s the cell phone policy for this tour? Just curious because I usually like to snap a few shots
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Anyone else notice JP has switched to a wireless unit? He's always been a cable man. Probably has to do with the elaborate stage setup with the stairs and risers and whatnot. Thought it was interesting though.
That totally caught my attention, to the best of my knowledge, JP has never toured with a wireless unit before, he's ALWAYS been a cable guy. In fact he's made a point over the years of mentioning it in rig videos, that he prefers the sound of a cable. It's worth noting JMX is wireless for this tour too, not sure if he has ever done that before or not.
JP has always used cables and JM has been using wireless for a while now (funny, because he almost never moves during the show, I'd be surprised if he even blinks onstage at all :lol).
The stage design looks very very cool, and it's a nice change for them. Yes, they could move around a bit more, but they aren't 20 year olds running around the stage like on the Live in Tokyo IAW release anymore.
Actually, i’m almost sure he’s been wireless since Images, stayed that also through Awake, FII and Scenes and switched to cable by the time of SDOIT.
Wireless was really an 80’s/90’s thing.
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During the Scenes portion of the show. I forget which show. It may have been The Spirit Carries On. I don't remember.
Thank you. I meant what were the names on them?
Squire
Emerson
Cornell
Abbott
Those are the ones I remember, but there were more (probably had Lake too).
It was a very cool touch. Squire was the first one I noticed, and then I realized what they were doing. Almost brought a tear to my eye.
Thanks man. I hadn't noticed Emerson and Abbott. At the Denver show last night, I did notice Bowie and Zappa on the last two headstones as well. It was a nice sentimental touch!
Pretty sure I saw Vaughn as well.
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With the current tour's setlist and many complaints about it, like playing PMU again or doing these anniversary tours, I decided to look into DT's full catalog and list all the songs they've played live since MM joined the band, more than 8 years ago, to see how varied the setlists have been since the first show with this lineup.
Well, out of 170 DT tracks which are basically the whole catalog, considering 14 studio albums, ACOS, Majesty demos, Cleaning out the Closet, Raw Dog, etc, since Mangini joined they've played a total of 111 tracks (I'm counting FAS and the NOMAC tracks here as well), which makes about 65% of the catalog, counting tracks, not lenght. That's an incredible thing right there. And if they keep touring for D/T next year and don't do the SFAM thing anymore, they could do the other songs from the album that haven't been played yet + others from previous albums they haven't played since MM joined, that % could go even higher.
And if we consider only the pre-Mangini era, It's even more impressive the amount of songs already played - MM had to work hard to learn all of this, for sure! If my memory is correct, from each album:
WDaDU: FiL, YJ an Afterlife
I&W: All
Awake: All minus Erotomania/Voices/Silent Man.
FII: PS, BMS, HK and ToT
Met. 2: All
6D: TGD, About to Crash/WIMH/TTTSTA
ToT: AIA and ES
Octavarium: TRoAE, TW and PA
SC: ITPoTE pt1, Forsaken, CM, TDEN
BC&SL: ANtR, TSF and TCoT
Edit: and I forgot ACoS, To live forever and Don’t look past me!
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With the current tour's setlist and many complaints about it, like playing PMU again or doing these anniversary tours, I decided to look into DT's full catalog and list all the songs they've played live since MM joined the band, more than 8 years ago, to see how varied the setlists have been since the first show with this lineup.
Well, out of 170 DT tracks which are basically the whole catalog, considering 14 studio albums, ACOS, Majesty demos, Cleaning out the Closet, Raw Dog, etc, since Mangini joined they've played a total of 111 tracks (I'm counting FAS and the NOMAC tracks here as well), which makes about 65% of the catalog, counting tracks, not lenght. That's an incredible thing right there. And if they keep touring for D/T next year and don't do the SFAM thing anymore, they could do the other songs from the album that haven't been played yet + others from previous albums they haven't played since MM joined, that % could go even higher.
And if we consider only the pre-Mangini era, It's even more impressive the amount of songs already played - MM had to work hard to learn all of this, for sure! If my memory is correct, from each album:
WDaDU: FiL, YJ an Afterlife
I&W: All
Awake: All minus Erotomania/Voices/Silent Man.
FII: PS, BMS, HK and ToT
Met. 2: All
6D: TGD, About to Crash/WIMH/TTTSTA
ToT: AIA and ES
Octavarium: TRoAE, TW and PA
SC: ITPoTE pt1, Forsaken, CM, TDEN
BC&SL: ANtR, TSF and TCoT
Edit: and I forgot ACoS, To live forever and Don’t look past me!
Add Wither , they played The Silent Man
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With the current tour's setlist and many complaints about it, like playing PMU again or doing these anniversary tours, I decided to look into DT's full catalog and list all the songs they've played live since MM joined the band, more than 8 years ago, to see how varied the setlists have been since the first show with this lineup.
Well, out of 170 DT tracks which are basically the whole catalog, considering 14 studio albums, ACOS, Majesty demos, Cleaning out the Closet, Raw Dog, etc, since Mangini joined they've played a total of 111 tracks (I'm counting FAS and the NOMAC tracks here as well), which makes about 65% of the catalog, counting tracks, not lenght. That's an incredible thing right there. And if they keep touring for D/T next year and don't do the SFAM thing anymore, they could do the other songs from the album that haven't been played yet + others from previous albums they haven't played since MM joined, that % could go even higher.
And if we consider only the pre-Mangini era, It's even more impressive the amount of songs already played - MM had to work hard to learn all of this, for sure! If my memory is correct, from each album:
WDaDU: FiL, YJ an Afterlife
I&W: All
Awake: All minus Innocence Faded/Erotomania/Voices.
FII: PS, BMS, HK and ToT
Met. 2: All
6D: TGD, About to Crash/WIMH/TTTSTA
ToT: AIA and ES
Octavarium: TRoAE, TW and PA
SC: ITPoTE pt1, Forsaken, CM, TDEN
BC&SL: ANtR, Wither, TSF and TCoT
Edit: and I forgot ACoS, To live forever and Don’t look past me!
Fixed it :tup
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You’re right, which makes this list even more impressive :tup
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When did they play Wither with Mangini?
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2015 tour
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When did they play Wither with Mangini?
2015 tour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES3N0jxET2c
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During the Scenes portion of the show. I forget which show. It may have been The Spirit Carries On. I don't remember.
Thank you. I meant what were the names on them?
Squire
Emerson
Cornell
Abbott
Those are the ones I remember, but there were more (probably had Lake too).
It was a very cool touch. Squire was the first one I noticed, and then I realized what they were doing. Almost brought a tear to my eye.
Thanks man. I hadn't noticed Emerson and Abbott. At the Denver show last night, I did notice Bowie and Zappa on the last two headstones as well. It was a nice sentimental touch!
Pretty sure I saw Vaughn as well.
Yes. I knew there were more than the four I mentioned. Now that you two mention them, I do recall Bowie, Zappa and Vaughn. I thought Zappa and Vaughn were surprising since all of the others were recent. Was Hendrix in there too?
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Yes. I knew there were more than the four I mentioned. Now that you two mention them, I do recall Bowie, Zappa and Vaughn. I thought Zappa and Vaughn were surprising since all of the others were recent. Was Hendrix in there too?
I believe so yes. Mercury as well.
We should put together the list.
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Burton and Rhoads as well.
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You’re right, which makes this list even more impressive :tup
You could make it more impressive yet by decreasing the available list from 170, because things like the Majesty Demos and Cleaning Out the Closet are never going to be considered for setlists.
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You’re right, which makes this list even more impressive :tup
You could make it more impressive yet by decreasing the available list from 170, because things like the Majesty Demos and Cleaning Out the Closet are never going to be considered for setlists.
Or Raw Dog.
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things like the Majesty Demos and Cleaning Out the Closet are never going to be considered for setlists.
Except for when they are.
Don't Look Past Me was played 13 times between October 25 and November 12, 2017.
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things like the Majesty Demos and Cleaning Out the Closet are never going to be considered for setlists.
Except for when they are.
Don't Look Past Me was played 13 times between October 25 and November 12, 2017.
TLF was played too.
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The Minnesota show just finishes up. I’ll post more when I get home but that was one of the best DT shows I’ve ever seen. You can tell how much fun they’re having.
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Just got back from the MN show myself.
Damn fine concert, quite possibly the best DT show I’ve been to (seen them 5 times now).
Overall, I didn’t find it too loud at all. Well within line of your typical rock/metal concert. The first couple songs had some issues with the levels. The snare and JR’s keys were way too loud (compared to the rest of the band) but got better as the evening went on. By the time SFaM came, levels were PERFECT.
JP was having technical issues during the intro to Paralyzed, so JR and MM had a 2 minute back and forth jam session that the crowd enjoyed :P
JP was on fire all night. His solo to Spirit Carries On was just face melting, even JLB looked impressed.
JLB also did a great job. People give him grief but when you actually hear him LIVE, in the flesh, he’s still phenomenal.
My only nitpick critique would be ANtR as the second song choice. I love the song but it just goes on toooo long, and it’s awkward following your opening tune. People around me were getting restless. A couple shorter songs would have been better in the opening set to keep the momentum going.
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mm finally free
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL10esfXpso
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mm finally free
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL10esfXpso
I'm at work so I can't watch but I've already seen MM on the end of FF for this tour. Pretty impressive to say the least.
Btw, welcome to the forum, MM! Hope you'll enjoy your stay here.
B.Lee
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You’re right, which makes this list even more impressive :tup
You could make it more impressive yet by decreasing the available list from 170, because things like the Majesty Demos and Cleaning Out the Closet are never going to be considered for setlists.
Or Raw Dog.
Holding out hope for that one.
No I'm not.
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mm finally free
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL10esfXpso
Legit.
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JP was having technical issues during the intro to Paralyzed, so JR and MM had a 2 minute back and forth jam session that the crowd enjoyed :P
Thanks for the description! Here's footage of said technical issues + JR and MM jam! https://youtu.be/lhZ8GJ61nyE?t=925 (15:30 if the timed link doesn't work)
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mm finally free
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL10esfXpso
Legit.
So, MM is doing a totally different solo every night, really cool!
Funny to note that MM went from not doing any solo on this song to soloing like a maniac! :lol
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Funny to note that MM went from not doing any solo on this song to soloing like a maniac! :lol
Agree, there is no middle point! ;D
I love what he is playing in that section!
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JP was having technical issues during the intro to Paralyzed, so JR and MM had a 2 minute back and forth jam session that the crowd enjoyed :P
Thanks for the description! Here's footage of said technical issues + JR and MM jam! https://youtu.be/lhZ8GJ61nyE?t=925 (15:30 if the timed link doesn't work)
That was fun to watch. :) I knew there was a reason I keep coming back to this thread.
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JP was having technical issues during the intro to Paralyzed, so JR and MM had a 2 minute back and forth jam session that the crowd enjoyed :P
Thanks for the description! Here's footage of said technical issues + JR and MM jam! https://youtu.be/lhZ8GJ61nyE?t=925 (15:30 if the timed link doesn't work)
I love when stuff like this happens at concerts, being able to improvise is a big positive in my mind when I look at which musicians I really like. Do you wimper and go offstage, or do you put on a show regardless? Love it.
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During the Scenes portion of the show. I forget which show. It may have been The Spirit Carries On. I don't remember.
Thank you. I meant what were the names on them?
Squire
Emerson
Cornell
Abbott
Those are the ones I remember, but there were more (probably had Lake too).
It was a very cool touch. Squire was the first one I noticed, and then I realized what they were doing. Almost brought a tear to my eye.
Thanks man. I hadn't noticed Emerson and Abbott. At the Denver show last night, I did notice Bowie and Zappa on the last two headstones as well. It was a nice sentimental touch!
Pretty sure I saw Vaughn as well.
It was Through Her Eyes if memory serves...also caught Rhoads...Nice touch though
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With the current tour's setlist and many complaints about it, like playing PMU again or doing these anniversary tours, I decided to look into DT's full catalog and list all the songs they've played live since MM joined the band, more than 8 years ago, to see how varied the setlists have been since the first show with this lineup.
Well, out of 170 DT tracks which are basically the whole catalog, considering 14 studio albums, ACOS, Majesty demos, Cleaning out the Closet, Raw Dog, etc, since Mangini joined they've played a total of 111 tracks (I'm counting FAS and the NOMAC tracks here as well), which makes about 65% of the catalog, counting tracks, not lenght. That's an incredible thing right there. And if they keep touring for D/T next year and don't do the SFAM thing anymore, they could do the other songs from the album that haven't been played yet + others from previous albums they haven't played since MM joined, that % could go even higher.
Yep.. I was one to complain, only to change my mind after seeing the SF show. I also realized that out of the past 4 tours, only 5 songs from this setlist were played live during that time. Cant name any bands that have done that...
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My "complaints" about the set were all personal to me and my own choices (I'd rather see AWE than PBD, I'd rather see S2n and maybe a TA song or two instead of ANTR), DT has done a fabulous job of rotating songs each tour since MM joined and the facts show that.
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I actually didn't mind the set at all. Except the encore.
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I actually didn't mind the set at all. Except the encore.
Lol actually I thought the PMU encore was perfect. Left after the first chorus and beat the traffic. :angel:
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My "complaints" about the set were all personal to me and my own choices (I'd rather see AWE than PBD, I'd rather see S2n and maybe a TA song or two instead of ANTR), DT has done a fabulous job of rotating songs each tour since MM joined and the facts show that.
Agree. We all have our favorites and songs that we don't like as much as others. If I had known the set list before the show, I wouldn't have been looking forward to ANTR, ITPOE and PMU -- not that I don't like PMU, but I did not expect any I&W songs, and PMU is no better than my #5 song on I&W. That said, in the moment, the performances were great, and it's not as if they busted out a GnR song or something. Plus, PMU gets the crowd going. I don't know any band that has been around as long as DT that will regularly play virtually any song in its catalog the way DT will.
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My "complaints" about the set were all personal to me and my own choices (I'd rather see AWE than PBD, I'd rather see S2n and maybe a TA song or two instead of ANTR), DT has done a fabulous job of rotating songs each tour since MM joined and the facts show that.
Agree. We all have our favorites and songs that we don't like as much as others. If I had known the set list before the show, I wouldn't have been looking forward to ANTR, ITPOE and PMU -- not that I don't like PMU, but I did not expect any I&W songs, and PMU is no better than my #5 song on I&W. That said, in the moment, the performances were great, and it's not as if they busted out a GnR song or something. Plus, PMU gets the crowd going. I don't know any band that has been around as long as DT that will regularly play virtually any song in its catalog the way DT will.
Metallica. Hell, they'll play every song in the catalogue on a single tour.
Honestly, I find nothing special at all with DT's setlists. And now they seem to have settled on their own Rainbow in the Dark which must be played for every audience. In fact, most of the bands I'm seeing are pulling out deep cuts that DT probably wouldn't.
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My "complaints" about the set were all personal to me and my own choices (I'd rather see AWE than PBD, I'd rather see S2n and maybe a TA song or two instead of ANTR), DT has done a fabulous job of rotating songs each tour since MM joined and the facts show that.
Agree. We all have our favorites and songs that we don't like as much as others. If I had known the set list before the show, I wouldn't have been looking forward to ANTR, ITPOE and PMU -- not that I don't like PMU, but I did not expect any I&W songs, and PMU is no better than my #5 song on I&W. That said, in the moment, the performances were great, and it's not as if they busted out a GnR song or something. Plus, PMU gets the crowd going. I don't know any band that has been around as long as DT that will regularly play virtually any song in its catalog the way DT will.
Metallica. Hell, they'll play every song in the catalogue on a single tour.
Honestly, I find nothing special at all with DT's setlists. And now they seem to have settled on their own Rainbow in the Dark which must be played for every audience. In fact, most of the bands I'm seeing are pulling out deep cuts that DT probably wouldn't.
The fact that people are critiquing DT for playing their BIGGEST hit for two tours in a row (OMG! SHAME! :omg:) is your answer to why their setlist is pretty special. As opposed to Metallica who have made sure to play the same standard handful of "hits" on every show for nearly 30 years. Personally, I've seen DT 5 times and they have played PMU twice.
Because DT has no other BIG hits, just fan favorites, "deep cut" becomes a bit subjective. Sure, they have obscure songs, but, let's face it, 90% of the fans don't REEEALLY have a burning desire to hear "Anna Lee" or "The Ones Who Help Set the Sun".
Also your comment as to most bands playing deep cuts at shows has not been my experience at all.
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Let's not overstate PMU's significance here. Sure it is their biggest hit, but it isn't Enter Sandman. No one is coming out of the Yankees bullpen to it.
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I’ve only seen PMU live one time. So, I’m actually looking forward to it.
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I think I didn't see PMU until like the 5th or so time seeing DT. I agree, that it their hit and its a testament to their setlists that they don't always play it, but sure it's also not quite comparable to the Metallica hits. I don't think the average DT fan goes to see them to see PMU, but I know there's lots of people who go to the Metallica concert and only know Enter Sandman.
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I looked into my list of DT concerts (which is pretty meager compared to most users), 3 in São Paulo/Brazil and 1 in New York in the span of six years (2008-2014). I only ever heard basically half of Pull Me Under live (as part of the Pull Me Fingertropolis medley in 2010).
So yeah, I think they could do a lot worse in terms of abusing favourites. They really don't have the same kind of career (and the corresponding predicament of "we have to include 4 specific songs in the setlist at all times") as Iron Maiden and Metallica.
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I’m also coming from the standpoint that when I’ve gone to DT shows with friends (typically casual DT fans), more often than not they are bummed Pmu WASNT played.
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According to setlist.fm, PMU is the non-Rush song I have seen the most live -- 10 times (out of 16 times seeing DT). I have no complaint about DT playing its biggest/only "hit. Rather, as mentioned, it's not among my favorites on I&W, and I was not expecting any I&W material this tour.
Ultimately, the opinions about what DT should and shouldn't play are so diverse -- especially among the most vocal fans -- that there's pretty much no way to make everyone happen. If I were making the set list, one or both of Metropolis and LTL would pretty much always be there, so....
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I’m pretty sure Metallica plays virtually nothing from Load, Reload, and St Anger except Fuel.
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Just got out of the Chicago show... what a fantastic show!
I've seen them either 11 or 12 times now and this is their best show in MANY MANY years.
The first set is good...I would say it was on par with the last bunch of tours I have seen but Barstool Warrior and ITPOE elevated it above the recent tours. We also had FITL instead of Paralyzed which excited me very much because I wanted to see that mid section live so badly. It did not disappoint. SC is one of my least favorite DT albums, but HOLY WOW was ITPOE amazing live.
Then came SFAM....
Just an incredible experience if you love this album like I do. They were on fire, James sounded excellent and the sound for Petrucci was simply spot on. IMO SFAM is the greatest guitar album ever made, and to see it live in its entirety is just special beyond words. You know you are in the presence of greatness while watching JP play this album. I had some tears coming out during TSCO.
PMU sounds lame in theory but the crowd gets into and it sounds amazing. I'm actually really glad they ended with PMU.
Just a brilliant show.... seeing SFAM in its entirety was a dream come through for me.
Highlights of the SFAM set were Beyond this Life, Dance of Eternity, and TSCO.
Such a fantastic night... thanks again DT!!!!! I can't wait for the second leg to see AWE and S2N hopefully.
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Ended up going to bed pretty quickly when I got home last night, so didn't get to post my thoughts on last night's show in St. Paul.
I thought it was fantastic. Probably my favorite Dream Theater show that I've seen out of the 5 that I've attended. You can tell how much fun they are having, it's palpable. One of the things that I noticed right away is that JLB is working the crowd so much more and he doesn't go run backstage as quickly anymore. During the entire instrumental section of a Nightmare to Remember he stood in the middle of the risers above Mangini and kinda seemed to take a page out of Maynard's playbook and hold on to the mic and do a little dance. It was refreshing to see.
FIRST ACT
I'm not gonna lie, this first set still doesn't do much for me. Untethered Angel is really cool and fun live, an excellent opener. I didn't know how they would handle the intro of the song, but as far as my ears could hear, they just go straight into the heavy part of the intro? I thought that was great. The outro is also really cool live, and watching Mangini do all of that cymbal work up high is mesmerizing.
Mangini really makes ANTR his own. He slays on this track and he keeps it heavy while adding his own nuances, and I think actually does a proper blast beat, and makes it fun. I think this tour is really Mangini unleashed. He is having so much fun, as always, but he's making the songs his own. ANTR just hammered that home. That being said, two album openers in a row and a long second song kinda felt like too much. I mean, half of the first set is album openers, it just felt like a bit too much. I would rather have seen two different songs, if that was the other option.
The impromptu Rudess/Mangini jam when JP's guitar wasn't working was really cool to see. They played off each other so well and Mangini did some really cool fills. Paralyzed is a really cool live song, and the chorus works really well in a live setting. I liked it.
Barstool Warrior wasn't my favorite track on the new album and didn't do much for me live, but I did really think the projection was really cool for it and the intro is really cool live. Once again, Mangini was the highlight for me. He's just so much fun to watch.
I did forget how much I liked ITPOE Pt 1. I love the intro and when they come back to the intro riff midway through, but faster, that was really cool. The guy next to me was having a religious experience during that part. The risers really were cool for this part because JP went up on the top on his side for that fast part and it felt like he was lording over the stage and it looked really cool.
Pale Blue Dot was really cool live and once again Mangini.... That drum break is really cool live and he gets into it. The projection for this was really cool. The chorus is really good live too.
Overall, I guess I wish there was some more album representation in the first set. I get the focus on new material, but we maybe could have had two more songs in lieu of ANTR and maybe PBD as the encore and a different song in the first set. I don't know, I don't mean to sound so negative, but I just felt underwhelmed in the first half. Oh well, the second set was well worth the price of admission.
SECOND SET
Man, this was so fucking cool to see live. I was only 4 when Scenes From A Memory came out so obviously I didn't know shit about the band or music in general, although I did get Van Halen's 1984 for Christmas in 99, so I did have some music to chew on.
Anyways, as soon as the lights dimmed for the second act, everybody immediately got out of their seats as the opening credits rolled. I really liked the animations and how they introduced the characters for the album. I forgot that Edward is apparently a Senator in this story, so the sign BAYNES FOR SENATE was a nice refresher. Portraying Victoria in the 1920s flapper style attire was also stylish and added some character to the story. I really liked the accompanying projections for the entire SFAM set. Much better than the live action shots from Metropolis 2000.
I was just in awe the entire time watching this set. Highlights for me were Home (my favorite DT song), Fatal Tragedy during the instrumental when JR and JP were both on the back risers, TDOE was absolutely amazing, my favorite rendition they've done, Finally Free and the CRAZY Mangini outro, his drums really rocked the house, the ground was shaking. Going back, TDOE leading into One Last Time with no pause was just so cool. I wish TSCO had an extended guitar solo outro because it's just so powerful live. Beyond This Life was really cool, and JP's guitar effects were cool live and they actually sounded like they surrounded you. I also realized for the first time how the bass riff in the first verse really sounds like a detective piece in an old movie, it was a cool moment.
I really liked how they played true to the album though, which makes it easier to not feel too bad about an unextended TSCO outro. I felt like I was listening to the record, but the band was playing it live for me like it was 1999 and they were debuting the album for a select group of people. They even did the whole Nicholas getting killed in the end, unlike the 2000 version. I just couldn't help but smile the entire set. I got to see one of my favorite albums in it's entirety and it did not disappoint.
FINAL THOUGHTS
The band is firing on all cylinders. JLB sounds amazing, he's playing the crowd more and just seems like he's having a lot of fun. He didn't run and hide for the instrumentals but stayed out and interacted. I loved it.
JP's playing was amazing as usual.
JM's mix was probably the best I've heard it. Not only was he audible on D/T, he was audible live and his solo in TDOE sounded amazing.
JR interacted with MM a lot and his keytar work was really cool when he did have those spots. Since JP is wireless now, it was cool to see him walk the back risers and end up behind JR to jam during PMU.
Mangini was the star for me though. You can tell that he is comfortable and having SO much fun playing and he is so grateful to be doing what he's doing. But I think shedding the skin of "being Portnoy's replacement" and just being Mangini, the drummer for Dream Theater is doing wonders for him. You compare Finally Free 6 years ago to Finally Free last night, it's night and day. Mangini, if you ever read this, don't stop what you're doing you are so much fun to watch play and the passion is palpable. You are worthy of the DT drum throne. Thank you for your performance last night.
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Side note: This was the weirdest DT crowd. There were a lot of drunk people, and a lot of getting up and going to grab a drink (oddly enough, a lot got up for a drink break during Barstool Warrior). The past four that I've seen, everyone is so locked into the music. Thankfully they weren't talking, but there was a couple during the first set on lower level that stood the entire time when no one else did on the left side. During JLB's talk spot before Paralyzed, I think I heard the lady yell something at the person behind her (I assume they asked her to sit down) it was weird. Security did gather around that area a little bit later. The dude was so out of it, he kept stumbling into the aisle and stumbled out to go get another drink. They left midway through SFAM.
Anyways, best show I've seen from them and SFAM was AWESOME! If you have any doubt about going, you should go. Because this is DT having the most fun in their careers and the energy and passion was palpable. I had a great time.
Bosk, quick question if you read this. Can you ask the band what the pre-show robot electronic music is? I kind of got it stuck in my head after awhile. As well as the intermission 1950s music. That was really cool.
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Wow great experiences! I can’t go this time which sucks. But yeah agreed on SFAM being the greatest guitar album.
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Bosk, quick question if you read this. Can you ask the band what the pre-show robot electronic music is? I kind of got it stuck in my head after awhile. As well as the intermission 1950s music. That was really cool.
I think it was Kraftwerk played during pre-show (at the Wiltern), don't remember about the intermission music.
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I prefer seated as well, I'm done with the pushing and shoving, the fight to remain in your spot, getting to the venue at 7 am to get a spot near the front.
Standing through shitty opening bands, stand waiting for the band to take the stage, getting so thirsty but not being able to leave your spot cause you know you won't be able to get back to it. Hardly being able to walk the next day, none of that shit is a fun part of the experience for me.
Unfortunately Dream Theater is the only band I like that does seating venues, as a result they're only band I see where I still function the following morning, except for my voice heh
I'm glad someone mentioned that, lol. I'm in the same boat at my age. Funny, I thought I was there about 20 years or so ago when Judas Priest came to town for the Jugulator tour. Rather than stand up front, I found a nice comfy spot at a nearby bar on the floor to watch the show from and was perfectly happy with it (in that venue, that particular bar was pretty close to the left side of the stage). Yet strangely here I am today, still preferring to be up front when I can, and unfortunately, even if there is no general admission pit, that usually involves standing for long periods of time. When there is no gen admission pit in front of the seats, the front row still stands up, and it becomes s a domino effect, because everyone directly behind can't see until they stand up as well, lol. If everyone just remained in their seat, everyone would be able to see perfectly, but that's just not the way it works. :lol I'm also still of the "general" guiding principle that 1) the front row is really for super fans, 2) that casual fans or guests who got comp tickets who sit down there with their arms folded should be ejected to the balcony, and 3) that when once you become front row "spoiled" (kind of a curse), 2nd row are terrible seats, lol. I've softened on that of course with age, but there is no doubt that what you experience on the 1st and 2nd rows may be vastly different.
Sometimes in a fully seated venue there is the challenge of people from the back coming up to stand against the stage in front of the first row, and that can be a pain in the A. Luckily good security will try to manage that scenario, but I don't mind it so much during the encores -- in fact, I might try to make my way up there too at the end if it's being tolerated.
When it comes to a gen admission pit up front, more often than not I'll try to get as close as possible, but am perfectly content to leave that spot for someone else if I get tired. Luckily, most adult crowds seem to be a lot kind that they were before, and people seem to respect each other's space. I literally can't remember the last time I was getting the life squeezed out of me or fighting random surges, having fights break out around me, etc. It's pretty nice. Still, there is the matter of standing all that time.
Anyway, your post gave me a laugh. I don't see many shows these days anymore, but have started peeking back out there and Dream Theater has been #1 on my bucket list. Whether I want to be up front or happy with seats a bit further back depends on who I'm seeing and how many times I’ve seen them before. Just last week, I saw Queensryche and Fates Warning in San Antonio, TX, and had to go through the same challenges you posted about, lol (except all 3 bands were fantastic and the crowd was thick, but no shoving). This was at the end of a week's vacation and my knees and feet were beat to death. To keep it short, standing in line to get in, lucking into a front row spot against the rail, then standing there through 3 bands without needing to pee (total of about 4.5-5 hours invested on my feet) was an amazing feat of discipline and willpower at my age, lol. Luckily it got easier once the adrenaline from the concert kicked in.
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I've finally caught a show, so now I don't have to stay away from the DT section of the forum. :)
I haven't read this thread yet, but just wanted to say that I thought the first set was awesome and surprising. Of all the songs I thought they might play, A Nightmare to Remember and In the Presence of Enemies weren't ones I thought of. Both sounded fantastic and made the show that much better. (And I even enjoyed the "day after day" part).
However - I'm hoping this means that they'll do a second US leg and play the other half of Distance Over Time. Those other songs are too good to not be played. :)
The second set was just incredible. I always hoped I'd have a chance to see Scenes live in its entirety one day, and that day finally came. It was amazing and I thought it was more energetic and intense than when they did I&W. (No complaints from me about I&W - great great show - I just thought Scenes was even better).
The encore is the only thing I would change. When they finished with the static from Scenes, I was saying to myself "do it do it do it" thinking they might come out with The Glass Prison. As time went on, I doubted that they would, and of course they didn't and played Pull Me Under instead. I like PMU, but I do hope it gets a rest whenever they tour next.
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How do they do the “day after day” vocal part? Is it a backing track? Or does James just do it?
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James does it. And he doesn't try to growl or anything. I thought it sounded good. :)
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James does it. And he doesn't try to growl or anything. I thought it sounded good. :)
I thought it sounded better than actually doing that growl. Now if they mixed them both together, is another story.
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James does it. And he doesn't try to growl or anything. I thought it sounded good. :)
I thought it sounded better than actually doing that growl. Now if they mixed them both together, is another story.
I thought it sounded way better. I don't really need them mixed together either. Now, I'm not the biggest fan of growls, so I guess you can take that with a grain of salt. But there are occasions where I like them, and that part of A Nightmare to Remember just never worked for me.
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Not sure if it's been brought up here before but are they selling DoT Vinyl at the show? Don't really care about the color.
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I’m pretty sure Metallica plays virtually nothing from Load, Reload, and St Anger except Fuel.
Looks like they've played 68 different songs on the Hardwired tour. From the Load albums you've got Unforgiven2, Memory, King Nothing, Fuel, and Bleeding Me. They also dug out -Human and No Leaf Clover. Their MO for the last 15 years or so is to have 8-10 songs static and 6-8 oddballs, much like DT used to do.
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Not sure if it's been brought up here before but are they selling DoT Vinyl at the show? Don't really care about the color.
I think they are. I thought I saw them on Thursday. Both signed and unsigned
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Hello from downtown Chicago!!
First - a brief introduction - We're from Mid-Missouri recently transplanted from Dallas, TX. I've been a DT fan for a few years but I had always been aware since PMU debuted back in the day. I was always thinking in the back of my head that I should be listening to more DT. Then they released TA and I was hooked! More about TA later, this is a post about last night's show at the Chicago Theater.
I'm not going to comment on the set list or what songs I would have liked to hear them play as this was only my second show so I was going to be happy regardless!
So without further ado:
[The Chicago Theater - man, what a facility - gorgeous artwork, ornate architecture VERY intimate setting.
Our seats were 3rd row pit just off of house right, center stage closer to JP. So when I say intimate, imagine the size of an average folding chair and then space them out in a comfortable manner and that may give you an idea of how close we were. People in the front row could touch JP and JLB shoes if they wanted!
MM is an ANIMAL!! ANIMAL! He was having so much fun and the interaction between him and the rest of his bandmates puts a smile to your face. He was utterly fantastic and was mesmerizing to watch and dare I say stole the show?
Except for JLB - he was indeed working the crowd and even put on a pirate hat that a fan was wearing. However, he was frequently off stage during extended solos but I don't fault him for anything as during these solos, my attention is elsewhere.
JM - Yes he doesn't move around much but for this show he was very engaging with JP and MM constantly looking at his bandmates.
BTW - MM is putting his own mark on the drum parts from the previous catalog. It seems as though he is much more percussive in his playing.
We got BSW and FITL.
JLB's voice was great all night but in the outro of PMU, it sounded like he blew his voice out. He was going for a high note during the second to the last "Pull------Me----UUUN---DER" and it was like a broken guitar string on a floating tremlo system. He tried it one more time but not so much...Skay - he was greatness!
What is there to be said for JR and JP - they were they're usual brilliant self and Jordan's keytar was fun to watch. There was at one point where JP walked over to JR's side and played with him on some of there combined runs. That was neat.
At the end of the show they took their time exiting the stage and were shaking the hands of the people in the front row and MM would take a crowd and band selfie. They truly appreciate their fans - and it shows!
The aren't nearly as tall as I imagined they were.
That's it for now - wifey and I drive home tomorrow morning but one last thought - Chicago is a pretty cool town!
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Not following the thread daily...
Are any songs being rotated? I thought Paralyzed was played and then replaced by FITL. Is that permanent?
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Not following the thread daily...
Are any songs being rotated? I thought Paralyzed was played and then replaced by FITL. Is that permanent?
They’re doing Paralyzed one night, then FITL the next, and so on.
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I actually held out spoiling the setlist for myself for the first time. A bit disappointed overall but still thought it was an amazing show.
Even though ANTR is one of my least favorite songs, it was cool seeing Mangini jam on his audition song and frickin' own the thing. Also, I never found Portnoy's growls to be as big of a problem as most people but after hearing James do that part in a bit of a gnarly, melodic scowl I am once again reminded James just should have been left to do nearly all the vocals in DT. I love the back and forth with portnoy in Constant Motion but other songs like Dark Eternal Night, or SFAM stuff are much better with just James.
Anyway, band was on fire. James was hilarious as always. He said they had such fun making DOT they're talking about making the next album the same way and then joked they're looking into secluded spots in Alaska.
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Not following the thread daily...
Are any songs being rotated? I thought Paralyzed was played and then replaced by FITL. Is that permanent?
They’re doing Paralyzed one night, then FITL the next, and so on.
OK, so if they did FITL in Chicago last night..
Then..
Milwaukee-P
Detroit-FITL
Toronto-P
Montreal-FITL
Quebec City-P
Boston-FITL YAY!!!
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Hello from downtown Chicago!!
Our seats were 3rd row pit just off of house right, center stage closer to JP. So when I say intimate, imagine the size of an average folding chair and then space them out in a comfortable manner and that may give you an idea of how close we were. People in the front row could touch JP and JLB shoes if they wanted!
MM is an ANIMAL!! ANIMAL! He was having so much fun and the interaction between him and the rest of his bandmates puts a smile to your face. He was utterly fantastic and was mesmerizing to watch and dare I say stole the show?
JLB's voice was great all night but in the outro of PMU, it sounded like he blew his voice out. He was going for a high note during the second to the last "Pull------Me----UUUN---DER" and it was like a broken guitar string on a floating tremolo system. He tried it one more time but not so much...Skay - he was greatness!
Holy crap, I was just a few seats away from you. I was 3rd row Pit, first seat of that aisle which put me practically at dead center. This was the best concert seat I've ever had in my life. Being in that spot put me right into the action in more ways than one, let me tell you.
I was about 10 feet away from JLB the whole time. I loved the pirate hat bit also. At one point, he tipped the mic stand out over us and it was about 3 feet above my head. Other than the "Pull Me Under" note he missed (yeah, I heard it also), I thought he sounded great otherwise. Towards the end when he let the audience sing a part, some people were singing it wrong and he made this little "Ok, wait a second guys.." kind of a face with a squint, which made me laugh. There was also a point during the start of "The Spirit Carries On" where he had the skull mic stand angled at me in such a way that I felt like the skull was looking at me square in the eye. I was like... Skully, are you trying to tell me something? :lol
By pure chance, during the 2nd song, I happened to look over at JP who (I swear to you) gave me a look as if to say "Is this dude digging this?". I gave him a big smile and nod, and he got the biggest most shit-eating grin and then just dug into the guitar strings with a mad fury. I could see all the scales he was playing, and what I was really looking forward to was to see him play that fast string skipping section of the "Nightmare to Remember" solo. He didn't disappoint...his fingers moved so fast it was like a blur.
I kept watching MM. He had his own little comedy act going on, and he definitely stole the show for me. At one point he lost grip of his stick in his left hand, made a "WTF" goofy kind of face, and had a laugh at his own expense...then went right back to drumming without missing a beat. I thought that was awesome and hilarious at the same time. At the end of the show, I pointed to him during all the applause, gave him a twin thumbs up, and he did the same back to me.
J Myung was very focused during this show, even more so than usual it seemed. He barely looked up from his bass, but his playing was great and the mix was done well enough that I could actually hear him thru the whole show. JR was awesome as usual, and I loved when he came out with the Roland controller center stage. He truly is a keyboard wizard.
The animated backdrop they had was quite something, especially the sections for second set. I even watched it during a break, it was like a giant DT screensaver. Very cool stuff.
I also had the unfortunate disadvantage of security constantly tapping me on the shoulder so they could get through (I had stepped one foot out into the aisle because the seats were so small, so it put me in the line of fire). During the first couple of songs, a guy who head banged too hard split his head open when he smacked it on one of the monitor speakers at the front of the stage and security lead him out. He had blood all over his face, and it dripped on the floor in the aisle. I could see all the drippings (gotta love those bright lights) and I pointed it out to security, who promptly sent a guy in to wipe it up.
One final observation: Security was not as militaristic about cell phones this time around. They had the same no flash/no video policy, but they were completely MIA during the 2nd act. I wonder if that had to do with some kind of copyright issue with the newer music? That was kind of strange.
Awesome show all around, I loved every minute of it. I have a newfound respect for SFAM, I finally love UA, and the fact that JLB said they will do the next record in the same barn gives me hopes for an awesome follow up album.
The band was on point for sure, but if I had to vote for an MVP it was definitely MM. Any criticisms of him being a "robot" drummer are pure garbage - that dude drummed his ass off.
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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I noticed a couple comments referring to JM as a statue and saying he doesn't move at all. That's just not true. If you say he doesn't make eye contact with the crowd, sure - that's totally true. But he's far from being a statue. If you watch him, he's in motion most of the night; he's not rooted to one spot and even when he does spend time in one spot, his body is not still.
On a completely different note - I'm glad Bosk reminded us that the band did not initiate that setlist poll. I was actually really happy with the first set - I was totally surprised by ANTR and INTPE, and wound up being absolutely delighted. But thinking back later, I did think it was weird that we had that poll and they didn't play anything from it. It was good to remember that they didn't ask for it - Bosk just decided to do it and pass along the results.
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Also it could be that whenever they stop touring SFAM they could incorporate those poll songs.
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Was at the Chicago show the other night. Did not disappoint as expected, was awesome. I agree with a lot of posts about MM, he was on fire and owned it, noticed he played some of Portnoy's fills with 1 hand!!! Love his showmanship, just enough and not too much.
Regarding the setlist: I always feel a little ridiculous in complaining too much about it, I think we(including me) come off as spoiled, ungrateful fans, nothing is Never Enough.
But, I get it, So.. I really thought they would play AWE, being as it seems like the "Epic" song off of DoT. Love ITPOE, I think it would have been cool if they replaced ANTR with AWE and an older 7-8 minute song. Maybe PMU as a 1st set closer.
Then play Glass Prison as the encore!!
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I was at the LSFNY show back in 2000 and one of the many things I loved was when Portnoy went all out near the end of Finally Free. Does Mangini do anything similar this tour? I was also at the Boston Opera House show and he seemed pretty reserved during that part.
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I was at the LSFNY show back in 2000 and one of the many things I loved was when Portnoy went all out near the end of Finally Free. Does Mangini do anything similar this tour? I was also at the Boston Opera House show and he seemed pretty reserved during that part.
Watching the You tube videos yes he goes off. Almost a mini solo. Very awesome
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Manginis kills it during the scenes set.
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I was at the LSFNY show back in 2000 and one of the many things I loved was when Portnoy went all out near the end of Finally Free. Does Mangini do anything similar this tour? I was also at the Boston Opera House show and he seemed pretty reserved during that part.
Mangini completely takes control of the end to Finally Free. Moreso than MP to be honest. It sounded awesome, at point when he was just doing fills on the toms, the whole ground was shaking. So cool
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Awesome. It’s those little details that make me all the more excited to see them this year. Looking forward to the new material, too. I don’t mind traveling for a good concert, but I wish they’d come to Seattle since that’s where I hang my hat these days.
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I think it was Kraftwerk played during pre-show (at the Wiltern), don't remember about the intermission music.
Yes, upon further investigation, it was the Computer World album being played
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I think it was Kraftwerk played during pre-show (at the Wiltern), don't remember about the intermission music.
Yes, upon further investigation, it was the Computer World album being played
Awesome. That set a really weird but cool vibe, along with the wicked backdrop.
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I was at the LSFNY show back in 2000 and one of the many things I loved was when Portnoy went all out near the end of Finally Free. Does Mangini do anything similar this tour? I was also at the Boston Opera House show and he seemed pretty reserved during that part.
Looking at the Youtube videos available, he does, and he does it differently every night. Of the uploaded vids so far, I liked the one played at the Masonic and the one in Denver.
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I don’t mind traveling for a good concert, but I wish they’d come to Seattle since that’s where I hang my hat these days.
This, Seattle needs DT soon! 🎶🚦🐜🍕👂🐜
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So, my kids and I are going to the show in Charlotte in a few weeks.
I was talking to my 16 year old, and I asked if she wanted to know the set list. She said yes, so I told her.
I then went into a short dissertation about how disappointed I was that they were using PMU as the encore, and all the reasons why.
And then she said, "But Dad...
Pull Me Under fuckin' rocks." :metal
I'm done.
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I love that Hef.
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I love that Hef.
:heart
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I love that Hef.
:heart
Children Always speak the Truth.
B.Lee
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Good job, bro!
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Ok.. I have been fortunate enough to have gone to 2 of the concerts :metal. I have traveled to both and have never regained my energy after being totally thrashed at the LA show last Friday night.
Last night I went to the show in Milwaukee. Some differences.
The LA show was Freaking Loud! as some have said already, conversely last night it wasn’t and sounded sooo goood. The mic wasn’t having issues fading in and out as it did in LA (except maybe one small moment) and then toward the end of the show I think something was going on as James was making hand signals to the side stage, and then looked a bit frustrated and slammed his water bottle which splashed knocking something out of place but he was very composed and continued his Fantastic performance. :yarr
But....I wanted to turn up the volume during Home. That song just needs to be cranked.
I saw both Paralyzed and FItL. Paralyzed is just better imo. But FItL was at LA and maybe the loudness played a part in how I felt. Also, I was really excited to hear that middle solo and it sounded good, but it is just too short (at that moment I wanted more of it) Great song nonetheless.
James is the star for sure. He is rocking it, sounding Awesome, great animation, dancing and it’s always good to hear him tell the stories. In Milwaukee he tried a cheese joke, which was a flop, he commented how shitty it was and Mangini gave him the loser drum ba da boom. Lol. :lol
That said (and I know nothing about drumming) Mike Mangini is addicting! I find myself drawn to watch him when I am not looking at James and I ditched watching JP as much..... who I have loved watching from the first moment of my first concert DT: TA - where I couldn’t believe what I was seeing in a guitarist.
I am so thrilled that Mangini opened up the kit for us to see him!!
So, one would think with the sound better in Milwaukee that would be my fave of the two, but no....LA was Alive! Like it had a spirit of its own - it engulfed me and I felt like I was connected to the whole group of fans. Everyone was up and rocking and swaying moving. During Home it had the feel of an ocean wave moving up and down, the energy engulfing the crowd into one spirit.
I didn’t see the set list so Nightmare and ItPoE were total surprises. I had only seen TA concerts before this - so hearing anything else was such a treat - but these 2 are in my top 10 and my son who was with me, his also. That moment...I just turned to him and mouthed “Is it??” and he was nodding frantically with a huge smile. And again later with the 2nd of the 2. I was high.
By contrast the Milwaukee show was tame. People were standing - yay - but only a few here and there head bangin and James and John several times had to encourage cheering etc. But it did sound great.
Through Her Eyes was beautiful. James was perfect, it was emotional and that is when the headstones were on the screen. Better than Spirit for me.
Scenes was sooo good. It was exciting from start to it’s climactic finish. I am so happy I was able to see and and 2x to boot. PMU was probably not my first choice, but geeze it’s PMU, it’s DT.
I am still thrashed from the experiences mostly I think from LA, but from seeing my newfound (fairly much) perfect band perform the Best concerts! :metal :metal :metal
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Glad you had a good time in Milwaukee! I went to the Chicago show and loved it so much that I considered hitting Milwaukee too, but never made up there. Good shit nevertheless!
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Anyone else notice James' wardrobe on this tour? To me, his shirts have been rather random and unusual(?). In Denver, it was a Misfits for the first set, and Harley-Davidson/UFC for the second set. I've also seen a picture where the back of the shirt says 'Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice'. And, not sure what's on it, but when he's wearing the pirate hat in Chicago, that one seems kinda odd too.
#notmypirate :yarr
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Anyone else notice James' wardrobe on this tour? To me, his shirts have been rather random and unusual(?). In Denver, it was a Misfits for the first set, and Harley-Davidson/UFC for the second set. I've also seen a picture where the back of the shirt says 'Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice'. And, not sure what's on it, but when he's wearing the pirate hat in Chicago, that one seems kinda odd too.
#notmypirate :yarr
I don’t know how far back your fandom goes, but the pirate is sorta his character. I don’t even remember when it started, but it’s an I side joke. Petrucci the Bear, Jordan the Wizard, Mangini the Genie, Myung the Ninja, LaBrie the Pirate
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Anyone else notice James' wardrobe on this tour? To me, his shirts have been rather random and unusual(?). In Denver, it was a Misfits for the first set, and Harley-Davidson/UFC for the second set. I've also seen a picture where the back of the shirt says 'Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice'. And, not sure what's on it, but when he's wearing the pirate hat in Chicago, that one seems kinda odd too.
#notmypirate :yarr
I don’t know how far back your fandom goes, but the pirate is sorta his character. I don’t even remember when it started, but it’s an I side joke. Petrucci the Bear, Jordan the Wizard, Mangini the Genie, Myung the Ninja, LaBrie the Pirate
Portnoy the Camel
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Oh yeah, well familiar with the pirate. Fan since '94. Should have said that the shirt seems kinda odd. Just saw a video from SF. His shirt there had a Jason Voorhees mask on it. LoL!
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Dude was wearing a pirate hat in the front row and james motioned for him to hand it over. He wore it for about a minute and then gave it back. It was pretty hilarious/awesome.
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Anyone else notice James' wardrobe on this tour? To me, his shirts have been rather random and unusual(?). In Denver, it was a Misfits for the first set, and Harley-Davidson/UFC for the second set. I've also seen a picture where the back of the shirt says 'Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice'. And, not sure what's on it, but when he's wearing the pirate hat in Chicago, that one seems kinda odd too.
#notmypirate :yarr
I don’t know how far back your fandom goes, but the pirate is sorta his character. I don’t even remember when it started, but it’s an I side joke. Petrucci the Bear, Jordan the Wizard, Mangini the Genie, Myung the Ninja, LaBrie the Pirate
The Mangini part of this goes back to the ADTOE tour. There's an animation that was played at some point during the show that showed these characters doing something (don't remember what), except that I don't think Petrucci was a bear. The characters made a return on the DT12 tour, and I think the cartoon played during Enigma Machine. The animation is probably included on one or both of Live at Luna Park and/or Breaking the Fourth Wall (I haven't watched either in a while). I couldn't find either on YouTube (although I didn't look very hard).
However, some of this goes back much further.
In the commentary track on Live Scenes from a Memory, MP and or JP make a couple references to "Jordan Rudess action figure," as a comment on a couple of "poses" by JR during the course of the concert. Sometime after that, a fan created a very funny mock commercial for a Jordan Rudess action figure and posted it on YouTube. One part of the commercial said something about "Wizard mode" and "Wizard hat not included" (or something like that). The same fan then created mock commercials for James Labrie and John Petrucci action figures (but sadly, not for JM or MP). All of the originals of these videos seem to be gone from YouTube, but someone else uploaded the Petrucci "commercial": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFLfq8YH0AM I believe the same guy also created "The Dark Nintendo Night" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-QGtEIHc3g ), which I recall being played during intermission sometime on the SC or BC&SL tour.
The Wizard character made a return in the animation that played during the "Full Circle" section of "Octavarium" during the tour for that album. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6s4AOwePq0 That animation appears as an extra on the Score DVD. Similar animation was used on SC tour during the instrumental section of "The Dark Eternal Night." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAVUlbbbdL4 In both of these videos, only JR is a "character" other than himself.
Finally, on the ADTOE tour, each member was portrayed as a character (but again, I don't think Petrucci's character was a bear). The Petrucci bear character comes from the JP action figure video, and I think that is based on some other YouTube video, all of which is based on the combination of JP's musical prowess, his increasing musculature and beard.
Jordan embraced the wizard thing (all of his apps are "SomethingWiz"), and JLB embraced the pirate persona to a somewhat lesser degree.
I'm sure folks who know better will add details I missed or correct things I got wrong.
Portnoy the Camel
Not a camel. His great-grandfather on his mother's side was a Llama. https://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/32.aspx#259
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The bear nickname came from people joking on this forum. There was a meme that somebody drew and posted a long time ago of JP evolving into a bear. http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/wikiality/images/a/a9/Petrucci.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070325065516
I believe it was done either during the SDOIT or TOT tour cycles. That exact picture is sampled briefly in the JP action figure video, which forum member BlobVanDam created (he also did some tour videos for the band on the SC tour).
The pirate and wizard nicknames also evolved from forum jokes as well.
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Oh man I new what that picture was before even clicking the link. So glad that is saved for posterity. Didn't someone actually show that to JP once?
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Jordan, the wizard, I believe has to do with the recordings of Liquid Tension albums, there was some kind of a magician's hat that Jordan toyed with.
Tour diary from Levin: https://papabear.com/tours/lte99/photos/lte/jordwiz.jpg
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Just came back from the Toronto show. My God, I can't even express how overwhelmed I am by this concert.
In The Presence of Enemies was a huge surprise for me, and I was extremely happy that they played it. Everything else wasn't too much of a surprise, but it was awesome to hear Barstool Warrior live.
The Scenes From A Memory set just blew me away. I honestly cried during Through Her Eyes, and also teared up during The Spirit Carries On (having performed that song on stage myself, it does hold a lot of significance for me, but I've never actually personally seen them perform it live). The rest of the time, I had butterflies in my belly.
The new animations they got for Scenes From A Memory were great too, I'm definitely glad they went with those, instead of reusing the live action footage from 1999.
James is phenomenal on this tour, not only is he bringing his A game vocally, but he's also delivering a lot of stage presence. It's absolutely awesome.
Just, everything was great at this show, not a single complaint. Even A Nightmare to Remember, which is my least favorite song of the ones they played was interesting to listen to live, and also marks the first concert where they played all 3 songs that Mike Mangini auditioned with, which is pretty cool, if you ask me.
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Awesome, I'm glad you had a great time! If they ever make a live concert video of this tour, I hope they keep ITPOE PT1 in the set list. How was the crowd in Toronto? Probably Alot of Rush fans there.
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Awesome, I'm glad you had a great time! If they ever make a live concert video of this tour, I hope they keep ITPOE PT1 in the set list. How was the crowd in Toronto? Probably Alot of Rush fans there.
Well, yeah, of course, haha, especially the older dudes. But honestly, I was surprised and impressed to see how many really young people there were. Parents were bringing their kids, and there were a lot of young 'musician types' there too. A lot of Opeth and Haken fans, from the conversations I've overheard.
The venue sits about 3200, and it was filled, from what I could see too.
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Saw them in Toronto too, and man, did they crush it!!! It was my first time seeing SFAM live in full, and this made me appreciate the album even more, if that's even possible. James sang REALLY well, and nailed even the toughest vocal moments of the set. Mangini was simply amazing, and did all the Scenes material justice while leaving his mark on those songs. The negative comment goes for the Toronto crowd, which was seriously disengaged, at least where I was sitting. Good attendance, but I noticed people checking Facebook during the show...come on, people, you're seeing the best band on the planet and you chose to check out Facebook?
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Saw them in Toronto too, and man, did they crush it!!! It was my first time seeing SFAM live in full, and this made me appreciate the album even more, if that's even possible. James sang REALLY well, and nailed even the toughest vocal moments of the set. Mangini was simply amazing, and did all the Scenes material justice while leaving his mark on those songs. The negative comment goes for the Toronto crowd, which was seriously disengaged, at least where I was sitting. Good attendance, but I noticed people checking Facebook during the show...come on, people, you're seeing the best band on the planet and you chose to check out Facebook?
Where were you sitting?
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It looks like Fall Into the Light has completely replaced Paralyzed.
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It looks like Fall Into the Light has completely replaced Paralyzed.
That is great news, considering Fall into the Light is miles better. :tup :tup
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Great show yesterday in Montreal. Awesome musical performance as expected. And their last album is fantastic. I'm in love again with that band.
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Great show yesterday in Montreal. Awesome musical performance as expected. And their last album is fantastic. I'm in love again with that band.
that's was my reaction when ADTOE came out. Besides that, nice to hear most of us here enjoy the tour so far.
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Saw them in Toronto too, and man, did they crush it!!! It was my first time seeing SFAM live in full, and this made me appreciate the album even more, if that's even possible. James sang REALLY well, and nailed even the toughest vocal moments of the set. Mangini was simply amazing, and did all the Scenes material justice while leaving his mark on those songs. The negative comment goes for the Toronto crowd, which was seriously disengaged, at least where I was sitting. Good attendance, but I noticed people checking Facebook during the show...come on, people, you're seeing the best band on the planet and you chose to check out Facebook?
Where were you sitting?
My seat was R89.
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It looks like Fall Into the Light has completely replaced Paralyzed.
That is great news, considering Fall into the Light is miles better. :tup :tup
:omg: :'(
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I actually prefer Paralyzed, but I think it's sad if they're not switching anything at all. I know it's never going to be like it used to be, but I keep hoping there will be at least a small amount of variety in their sets.
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It looks like Fall Into the Light has completely replaced Paralyzed.
If I had to guess, part of the reason (besides audience reaction, possibly) is that Paralyzed was the only song in the setlist requiring a guitar change to a baritone tuned to B-flat. With FITL, JP can switch from the C-tuned baritone from UA/ANTR to a standard tuned regular guitar for FITL, BW and ITPOE, switching back to a 7-string for PBD only (in the first set). Logistically, it leads to less hiccups -- like the technical difficulties in Paralyzed witnessed a while back.
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Forgive the possibly stupid question, but why would that lead to more technical difficulties? There were Rush shows where it seemed like Alex was changing guitars after every song. If you're just taking one off and putting a new one on.. ?
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It looks like Fall Into the Light has completely replaced Paralyzed.
:(
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Saw them in Toronto too, and man, did they crush it!!! It was my first time seeing SFAM live in full, and this made me appreciate the album even more, if that's even possible. James sang REALLY well, and nailed even the toughest vocal moments of the set. Mangini was simply amazing, and did all the Scenes material justice while leaving his mark on those songs. The negative comment goes for the Toronto crowd, which was seriously disengaged, at least where I was sitting. Good attendance, but I noticed people checking Facebook during the show...come on, people, you're seeing the best band on the planet and you chose to check out Facebook?
I was up on the balcony and the crowd was pretty timid during the first set, but was noticeably more engaged during SFAM and PMU.
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Not sure if anyone saw this pre show warm up video from last night :rollin
https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1114687978423631872 (https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1114687978423631872)
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That's funny!
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Forgive the possibly stupid question, but why would that lead to more technical difficulties? There were Rush shows where it seemed like Alex was changing guitars after every song. If you're just taking one off and putting a new one on.. ?
This isn't a stupid question! I'm mostly guessing anyway ;)
This tour, JP went from cables to wireless and from physical amps and cabinets to an axe fx II unit (or so it seems, I'll gladly be corrected by more technically minded users!), so maybe the moment of fitting each guitar with the wireless setup introduces the possibility of a hiccup. Less guitar changes, less hiccups!
I may be way off mark here though!
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Forgive the possibly stupid question, but why would that lead to more technical difficulties? There were Rush shows where it seemed like Alex was changing guitars after every song. If you're just taking one off and putting a new one on.. ?
This isn't a stupid question! I'm mostly guessing anyway ;)
This tour, JP went from cables to wireless and from physical amps and cabinets to an axe fx II unit (or so it seems, I'll gladly be corrected by more technically minded users!), so maybe the moment of fitting each guitar with the wireless setup introduces the possibility of a hiccup. Less guitar changes, less hiccups!
I may be way off mark here though!
He’s been using the Axe FX for years, and he only uses it for effects, not amp modeling. Also, the cabinets that were onstage were just empty shells for the looks only. He always has a couple cabs at HIGH volume somewhere off the stage.
As for the guitar changes, yes, it’s easier/better to play a show with less guitar changes, as you can run smoother transitions between songs, instead of going to your tech every time a new song starts. That’s why on the CIM bonus footage we see JP’s tech (not Maddi) thanking Portnoy for having two drop D guitar songs back to back on the set, so they don’t have to change guitars more times during the set.
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I was at the Montreal show with my daughter , and it was simply awsome. À truly great performance from each member. This was the 5th time I saw them, and the best one. Great crowd also.
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Forgive the possibly stupid question, but why would that lead to more technical difficulties? There were Rush shows where it seemed like Alex was changing guitars after every song. If you're just taking one off and putting a new one on.. ?
This isn't a stupid question! I'm mostly guessing anyway ;)
This tour, JP went from cables to wireless and from physical amps and cabinets to an axe fx II unit (or so it seems, I'll gladly be corrected by more technically minded users!), so maybe the moment of fitting each guitar with the wireless setup introduces the possibility of a hiccup. Less guitar changes, less hiccups!
I may be way off mark here though!
He’s been using the Axe FX for years, and he only uses it for effects, not amp modeling. Also, the cabinets that were onstage were just empty shells for the looks only. He always has a couple cabs at HIGH volume somewhere off the stage.
As for the guitar changes, yes, it’s easier/better to play a show with less guitar changes, as you can run smoother transitions between songs, instead of going to your tech every time a new song starts. That’s why on the CIM bonus footage we see JP’s tech (not Maddi) thanking Portnoy for having two drop D guitar songs back to back on the set, so they don’t have to change guitars more times during the set.
As to his rig, I'd assume he's using his signature amps still, and just using the Axe Fx for effects, which is basically the setup he's been using for a long time. Like gzarruk mentioned, even when he had cabs on stage, they were dummies, so I'm assuming he's still micing cabs off stage. So really, the big difference is wireless instead of a cable.
I'd love to see a detailed rig rundown of his gear on this tour.
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A little late here, but the show was awesome (Chicago). After seeing them 4 times now with Mangini, I must say that his cymbals sound like shit, or perhaps trashcan lids. But again I fucking loved it. There were a couple of epic surprises in the setlist for sure.
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For those who have seen them this tour, do they hit the stage at 8pm sharp like they've been doing? My ticket for Red Bank just says 8pm, doesn't say when doors are but I am guessing doors at 7 and show at 8.
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For those who have seen them this tour, do they hit the stage at 8pm sharp like they've been doing?
Yes.
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Except for that concert that started at 7 in Milwaukee that I went to - after seeing them at 8 the previous week..... :(
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For those who have seen them this tour, do they hit the stage at 8pm sharp like they've been doing?
Yes.
Thanks, figured that but just making sure
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And what time are they typically finishing up a show when they start at 8. Wondering if I can double dip on Friday and still catch Thank You Scientist's set later on that night.
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Got the Paralyzed set in Boston tonight.
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Got the Paralyzed set in Boston tonight.
:metal :metal :metal
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And what time are they typically finishing up a show when they start at 8. Wondering if I can double dip on Friday and still catch Thank You Scientist's set later on that night.
Around 11 - probably 10:50 or so but close to 11 by the time they finish saying bye to the crowd and stuff.
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Got the Paralyzed set in Boston tonight.
:metal :metal :metal
I'd prefer the FITL set! :metal
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I got to see both!! :metal
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I would love to hear Paralyzed. FITL turned out to be my least favorite song on the album, so it would be a bummer for me to get that set. :lol
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I would love to hear Paralyzed. FITL turned out to be my least favorite song on the album, so it would be a bummer for me to get that set. :lol
I don't get to see either set since they skipped the Northwest.. :(
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What are the differences between the two sets?
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What are the differences between the two sets?
:facepalm:
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What are the differences between the two sets?
Paralyzed or FitL
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I'd love to get some clarity on why bringing back A Nightmare to Remember. It eats up 16 minutes of the set, and it was never perceived as a fan favorite. I can think of a bunch of other songs that would be a better fit in that spot: Sacrificed Sons, In the name of God, Voices, Ministry of Lost Souls...all with similar length and which would be a much better fit.
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I'm excited as shit to see ANTR
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I'd love to get some clarity on why bringing back A Nightmare to Remember.
I'll try to help: It's a really cool song, and the band digs it a lot.
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I'd love to get some clarity on why bringing back A Nightmare to Remember. It eats up 16 minutes of the set, and it was never perceived as a fan favorite. I can think of a bunch of other songs that would be a better fit in that spot: Sacrificed Sons, In the name of God, Voices, Ministry of Lost Souls...all with similar length and which would be a much better fit.
Voices was played more recently so I think only ITNOG would have been a better choice, but I wonder if MM having played this for the tryout was a reason to play it so it's less for him to learn. But I'm OK with it, I think the part that stinks is it takes up a lot of set time, but it's an awesome song.
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I think the band probably wanted to tip their hats to BC&SL for its 10th anniversary, and since ANTR hadn’t been played in a hot minute they figured why not?
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Got the Paralyzed set in Boston tonight.
That's a bad beat. :P
I'd love to get some clarity on why bringing back A Nightmare to Remember. It eats up 16 minutes of the set, and it was never perceived as a fan favorite. I can think of a bunch of other songs that would be a better fit in that spot: Sacrificed Sons, In the name of God, Voices, Ministry of Lost Souls...all with similar length and which would be a much better fit.
Ugh, I would hope The Ministry of Lost Souls will stay on the shelf when it comes to the live sets. The ending is great, but it is a major chore to get through that song, and I remember seeing live footage of when they played in on the SC tour and thinking, "I have never seen a long Dream Theater look and sound so boring before in the live setting."
A Nightmare to Remember wouldn't have been near the top of choices for me either, but for all its fault, it is still a fun tune and it rocks. The first half is still pretty awesome and that alone would be cool to see.
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I'd love to get some clarity on why bringing back A Nightmare to Remember.
I'll try to help: It's a really cool song, and the band digs it a lot.
Fixed
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Went on media blackout so I wouldn't know the first set at the Boston show last night.
They played well and I enjoyed the show but I'm disappointed that we got only 4 new songs, and they didn't play any of my top 3 (At Wits End, S2N, Fall into the Light).
A Nightmare to Remember is an OK song, and I respect artists for playing what they want, and for pulling out long deep cuts, but they could've replaced it with both S2N and At Wits End. To me that was a missed opportunity.
In the Presence of Enemies Part 1 (a fantastic surprise), Pale Blue Dot, Home, and Dance of Eternity were the highlights of the show, in my opinion.
Seeing them again in CT. I got tickets to two shows to increase the chances of seeing more new songs (had a feeling they'd rotate at least two this tour given that they're playing all of Scenes from a Memory). I see they sometimes play Fall into the Light instead of Paralyzed. Hope that happens tonight.
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I'm guessing the rotation is back on because the east coast has a lot of shows in close proximity
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Would anybody be able to post the picture of the merch? I can't seem to find it.
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I'd love to get some clarity on why bringing back A Nightmare to Remember. It eats up 16 minutes of the set, and it was never perceived as a fan favorite. I can think of a bunch of other songs that would be a better fit in that spot: Sacrificed Sons, In the name of God, Voices, Ministry of Lost Souls...all with similar length and which would be a much better fit.
Ugh, I would hope The Ministry of Lost Souls will stay on the shelf when it comes to the live sets. The ending is great, but it is a major chore to get through that song, and I remember seeing live footage of when they played in on the SC tour and thinking, "I have never seen a long Dream Theater look and sound so boring before in the live setting."
:tup :tup :tup
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I'd love to get some clarity on why bringing back A Nightmare to Remember. It eats up 16 minutes of the set, and it was never perceived as a fan favorite. I can think of a bunch of other songs that would be a better fit in that spot: Sacrificed Sons, In the name of God, Voices, Ministry of Lost Souls...all with similar length and which would be a much better fit.
Ugh, I would hope The Ministry of Lost Souls will stay on the shelf when it comes to the live sets. The ending is great, but it is a major chore to get through that song, and I remember seeing live footage of when they played in on the SC tour and thinking, "I have never seen a long Dream Theater look and sound so boring before in the live setting."
:tup :tup :tup
I don't always agree with KevShmev. But when I do, I...er...agree with KevShmev.
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I thought The Ministry of Lost Souls sounded fantastic on that tour and I loved it. Having said that, I do hope to hear it again some day, but I think both ANTR and ITPOE are better choices for this tour. To me the first set flows really well. Also, Pale Blue Dot reminds me a little of ITPOE so it's cool they're both being played.
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I thought The Ministry of Lost Souls sounded fantastic on that tour and I loved it.
Dude! You don't have to air such embarrassing secrets here. There are lots of self-help/support sites for that sort of thing privately.
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I thought The Ministry of Lost Souls sounded fantastic on that tour and I loved it.
Dude! You don't have to air such embarrassing secrets here. There are lots of self-help/support sites for that sort of thing privately.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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I'd rather hear them play TMOLS over A Nightmare To Remember. Not that I'd expect them to play two songs off of SC, and I still do prefer ITPOE1. But still, hopefully if they decide to play another 15 minute-ish song on tour in the future, it'll be TMOLS.
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Choosing between TMOLS and ANTR is like choosing whether you want the trainwreck to be at the start or at the end. :lol
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I'd love to get some clarity on why bringing back A Nightmare to Remember.
I'll try to help: It's a really cool song, and the band digs it a lot.
It was one (of many :)) highlight moments of the LA show my son and I saw. We are new, so all music is exciting to hear, but Nightmare is one we both love and I will never forget that moment...So Loud....So intense....and we both kind of realize at the same time what is being played ( we did not look at any media beforehand ) I turned to him and yelled, "Is it That??", and he just nodded furiously with a big smile.... :biggrin:
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::)
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TMOLS feels like a long song for the sake of it. Although who knows, I was wrong about my opinion of ANTR when I saw the footage. Maybe Mangini will make it more interesting.
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Same here, geeeemo. It was on my personal short list of songs I REALLY want to see live, and I had no idea they were playing it. It was great live. I really hope we get a live recording of this tour to preserve it.
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I dislike both ANTR and TMoLS and wish to god they'd have done Surrender to Reason/Lost Not Forgotten instead but I'd definitely choose Ministry instead because A) It's 2 minutes shorter and B) I haven't seen them do it live yet.
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Was at the Boston show last night. Best show I have seen since the Score show - which is the best concert I have ever attended - by any band.
We did get Paralyzed as stated above.
Their sound was simply perfect. I could hear everything clearly and cleanly without distorting (was about 40 rows back slightly right of center). There was an energy to them that honestly was lacking on the DT12, Astonishing, and I&W25 shows (I attended all of them). That might be because of SFAM, but they just sounded so ON last night.
Highlights for me were the keytar and guitar solo outro to Fatal Tragedy being played up on top of the stage; The Spirit Carries On (my favorite song, but done without any extra bells and whistles - and having the entire audience singing along); Barstool Warrior and Pale Blue Dot - just brilliant live; and the outro to Finally Free. You have to see and hear what Mangini does, but it is simply astonishing (pardon the pun). Home was great; Regression with the crowd singing - great; keytar solo on ANTR; intro to ITPOE Pt 1 (crowd went nuts)… all of it was incredible.
Thank you DT. Been seeing you live every tour since 2003. You did not disappoint.
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I'm excited as shit to see ANTR
This right here.
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Just saw them in Wallingford CT, so after my month long self imposed exile, I'm back!
The show was incredible. I LOVED the new animations during the Scenes set (Victoria is adorable).
Also was thrilled out of my mind to hear both A Nightmare to Remember AND In the Presence of Enemies Pt. 1. Two incredible songs.
And James sounded amazing.
And we got the FITTL set. But James introduced the song as "Falling into the Light." Lol
I love this band!
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Would anybody be able to post the picture of the merch? I can't seem to find it.
From Wallingford, CT:
(https://i.imgur.com/MzQjDZH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2ZdaTGc.jpg)
Was a fantastic show. Still slightly disappointed that they're not playing At Wit's End or S2N, but I can't complain (after hearing 5 new songs between Boston and Wallingford). Side note: Pale Blue Dot has moved up in my Distance Over Time ranking and is now tied with S2N for second place (1st: At Wit's End, 4th: Fall into the Light).
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For the record, it's kinda hard to tell, but that #1 t-shirt, the triangle one, is actually in color. It's quite beautiful.
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Re: Them playing Nightmare vs 2 more new songs....
After seeing the Astonishing live, I personally was happy with this show not having too many songs from the new album. The album is incredible, and I would have been fine with it being "D/T then SFAM", but I am also happy to see other non D/T or SFAM songs get played. I didn't expect Nightmare, but it obviously made a lot of people happy, and the band enjoys it... so yea
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^And I feel that it really did fit the tone of that first set very well. That set had a really cool overall vibe to it and felt pretty unified, and it was also kind of cool that Barstool Warrior, which isn't even a ballad, was the light moment in that set that broke up the pacing a little bit without going "soft." It all just worked very well, and ANTR was a big part of it.
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Agreed about ANTR. The crowd seemed to really dig it in Wallingford. And it was especially fitting given the rain storm going on outside at the time :)
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I completely agree with Bosk - it was part of what made the first set so great.
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I listened to set 1 last night on a playlist of the album recordings. I always kind of felt an ITPOE pt2 vibe from PBD and being that they play part 1 before PBD, maybe they also feel theres a similarity.
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I listened to set 1 last night on a playlist of the album recordings. I always kind of felt an ITPOE pt2 vibe from PBD and being that they play part 1 before PBD, maybe they also feel theres a similarity.
I thought the segue from ITPOE pt1 to PBD felt fairly natural.
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I listened to set 1 last night on a playlist of the album recordings. I always kind of felt an ITPOE pt2 vibe from PBD and being that they play part 1 before PBD, maybe they also feel theres a similarity.
I thought the segue from ITPOE pt1 to PBD felt fairly natural.
ITPOE pt.1 does end on a B minor chord (pt 2 starts in that key), and PBD is in the key of B minor. Almost like they did that on purpose!! :eek
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I listened to set 1 last night on a playlist of the album recordings. I always kind of felt an ITPOE pt2 vibe from PBD and being that they play part 1 before PBD, maybe they also feel theres a similarity.
I thought the segue from ITPOE pt1 to PBD felt fairly natural.
ITPOE pt.1 does end on a B minor chord (pt 2 starts in that key), and PBD is in the key of B minor. Almost like they did that on purpose!! :eek
Definitely! A big part of choosing setlists is making sure the transitions are smooth from song to song (when it’s possible). DT have always been really good at that :hefdaddy
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It's definitely cool to finally hear Mangini playing it. It's the song I've always wanted to hear the most from him ever since the small teases in the drummer auditions.
Also, James singing the ROAR part was kinda awkward at first but it has grown on me. It gave me space to remember how much I enjoy DT without MP's vocals (no offense intended, I was just never a fan of MP's vocals at all).
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I actually got used to that MP section so much that it's odd hearing it the way it was originally intended to sound. :lol
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It would be great to see JM do that part instead.
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James doing the "MP part" was great. During the song, it was so seamless, and it actually didn't occur to me until that part was over that even happened.
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Awesome show in Red Bank last night, I thought they were on fire. I was in the last row, bought a super cheap ticket, but I could see everything just fine since the Count Basie Theater is pretty small overall, it was sold out and holds about 1.6k. I felt the first set flew by and PBD was probably the highlight of it. I thought the energy went up a bit for SFAM and everyone was really enjoying it. I saw next to an older guy and his song (probably close to my age) and they were having a blast. I would have rathered a different encore, but you can tell why the band plays it. The place erupted for it and people in the back finally got out of their seats. It's interesting, I've been to a lot of DT shows and sometimes the ushers are annoying and sometimes they are not. This show was half and half. The ushers allowed people to use their phones or cameras for the first song then said "now you are not allowed to take video anymore" but then allowed again for the second set. It's funny though how as the guy was just talking to me about my camera one person fell down the stairs to my right and another group was arguing about who's sitting in the wrong seats :lol The usher was nice and no issues, but just funny how they handled this show. The floor stood, the balcony sat, except for me and the rest of us in the back row. There was room for me to rock out up there so I thoroughly enjoyed having a cheap seat in the back. I wasn't even that far and had clear visuals of the band the entire time plus the sound was really good, I went down to get a beer during the set and noticed the sound was much worse mid theater and the band sounded super load, but up top the sound was much cleaner. Also met up with axeman and his cousin for a beer before the show :yarr Anyway, since the ushers were cool the second set, I got a full song. I captured plenty of other highlights, I'm planning on going again tomorrow and want to get more, but for now:
Dream Theater - Through My Words / Fatal Tragedy LIVE @ Count Basie Theatre Red Bank NJ 4/10/19 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI_B2unxj94)
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Mike Mangini it's not a robot nor a machine and this video it's proof
https://youtu.be/ZDk5Nw6Icug
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Oops! :lol Oh well.
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That's gotta be the second time in eight years I've seen him make a mistake. :lol
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Cram....get a vid of Through Her Eyes, if you can.
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Cram....get a vid of Through Her Eyes, if you can.
I'll see what I can do, last year at that venue the ushers didn't bother me at all so I'd rather get a song from the first set tomorrow but I may be able to get one from each set. I'll see how my view is, my seat is in the last row on the floor so hopefully not too many heads in the way.
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Awesome show in Red Bank last night, I thought they were on fire...
I was there too, I think it was the best DT concert I've ever been to. I wish more bands that I like would play at that venue. I was on somewhat of a DT hiatus for a few years, but the new album and that show last night renewed my love for the band :tup
All the new songs were great (even though I do feel that Untethered Angel was a bit underwhelming as an opener). ITPoE was one of the highlights of the show for me, but it was just an awesome show from start to finish.
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Mike Mangini it's not a robot nor a machine and this video it's proof
https://youtu.be/ZDk5Nw6Icug
If it's any consolation, Mangini also messed up that section during his very first live rendition of Pull Me Under during the ADTOE tour in 2011. :blush
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Mike Mangini it's not a robot nor a machine and this video it's proof
https://youtu.be/ZDk5Nw6Icug
If it's any consolation, Mangini also messed up that section during his very first live rendition of Pull Me Under during the ADTOE tour in 2011. :blush
That's it! He had his chance, bring back Portnoy! At least he would have messed up with feel!
:)
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Interesting that they're not down-tuning PMU this time around. I figured they would keep it that way to make it easier to sing.
As far as MM making mistakes, they're few and far between, but I witnessed one in Toronto in 2014. He lost his spot in Enigma Machine a couple minutes in, but re-aligned himself pretty quickly.
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Mike Mangini it's not a robot nor a machine and this video it's proof
https://youtu.be/ZDk5Nw6Icug
If it's any consolation, Mangini also messed up that section during his very first live rendition of Pull Me Under during the ADTOE tour in 2011. :blush
That's it! He had his chance, bring back Portnoy! At least he would have messed up with feel!
:)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Interesting that they're not down-tuning PMU this time around. I figured they would keep it that way to make it easier to sing.
As far as MM making mistakes, they're few and far between, but I witnessed one in Toronto in 2014. He lost his spot in Enigma Machine a couple minutes in, but re-aligned himself pretty quickly.
I think when guys at these levels make mistakes it actually makes them look MORE impressive. Shows how tough the parts are and how they pull them off 99% of the time.
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Interesting that they're not down-tuning PMU this time around. I figured they would keep it that way to make it easier to sing.
As far as MM making mistakes, they're few and far between, but I witnessed one in Toronto in 2014. He lost his spot in Enigma Machine a couple minutes in, but re-aligned himself pretty quickly.
I think when guys at these levels make mistakes it actually makes them look MORE impressive. Shows how tough the parts are and how they pull them off 99% of the time.
Totally, plus how they get back into it, they don't stop or start over, they find a way and that shows just how good you really are.
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Interesting that they're not down-tuning PMU this time around. I figured they would keep it that way to make it easier to sing.
It was probably more to do with the fact that he had to sing the rest of the IaW album after PMU, with some super difficult parts, so that they down-tuned it and (almost) the rest of the album on that tour.
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I wonder if that is part of the reason they are choosing to do it this tour, just to show Labrie is still on point. So many were bashing him on the last tour and I am sure that burns those guys. Labrie has been good on all the videos I have seen and when I saw it live in Wallingford. The do totally mail in a couple high parts with tracks but for the most part Labrie sounded great live to me.
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I wonder if that is part of the reason they are choosing to do it this tour, just to show Labrie is still on point.
It may have a little to do with it, but probably not much, if at all. I think the biggest thing was for them to capitalize on the anniversary thing with another one of their big albums after they did a whole year's worth of touring playing the most divisive album in their catalog. I'm sure the promoters wanted something to help guarantee an audience this time around. After this tour tho, hopefully the promoters won't be in doubt so that the band can resume doing non-anniversary shows from here on out.
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Mike Mangini it's not a robot nor a machine and this video it's proof
https://youtu.be/ZDk5Nw6Icug
If it's any consolation, Mangini also messed up that section during his very first live rendition of Pull Me Under during the ADTOE tour in 2011. :blush
That's it! He had his chance, bring back Portnoy! At least he would have messed up with feel!
:)
:lol :rollin :lol :lol :rollin :lol
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I wonder if that is part of the reason they are choosing to do it this tour, just to show Labrie is still on point.
It may have a little to do with it, but probably not much, if at all. I think the biggest thing was for them to capitalize on the anniversary thing with another one of their big albums after they did a whole year's worth of touring playing the most divisive album in their catalog. I'm sure the promoters wanted something to help guarantee an audience this time around. After this tour tho, hopefully the promoters won't be in doubt so that the band can resume doing non-anniversary shows from here on out.
While I would love some non-anniversary setlists just to shut up the knee jerk reactors who have started calling DT a nostalgia act, I hope the band won't completely shy away from the idea forever. Sometimes seeing a whole album live is a really amazing experience. I am incredibly glad I got to see The Astonishing live and Scenes (both now and 19 years ago). I only wish I'd gotten to see Images, Words, and Beyond.
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While I would love some non-anniversary setlists just to shut up the knee jerk reactors who have started calling DT a nostalgia act, I hope the band won't completely shy away from the idea forever. Sometimes seeing a whole album live is a really amazing experience. I am incredibly glad I got to see The Astonishing live and Scenes (both now and 19 years ago). I only wish I'd gotten to see Images, Words, and Beyond.
Don't think I fall into the "knee jerk reactor" category, but the "play a whole album" idea is getting tired, especially now that this is the third tour in a row where they're doing that. If it's done on occasion, no problem. But it seems to be a bit of overkill right now. That said, *if* they are to play an album straight through, I'd rather they change the songs up to varying degrees to make it "new" - what they did for the 2017 is a good example of that. Sadly (for me), the version of SFaM they're currently doing is pretty much just like the album, right down to some of the pre-recorded backing vocals - if I wanted that, I could just listen to the CD in the comfort of my own home. Of course, there are some changes, which i gladly welcome, few as they are - I just wish there were more of them! ;)
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Yea, I'm good with the album tours for now. I'd love a full on DT show with a setlist of anything and everything. TA, I&W, SFAM, all awesome, but I'd love a full on random DT setlist.
Anyway, the NYC show last night was awesome. JLB said the Myung, Petrucci, and Portnoy families were all in the house :metal
Dream Theater - Fall Into the Light Live @ Beacon Theatre New York City (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwXsO7hjf7o)
Dream Theater - Through Her Eyes Live @ Beacon Theatre New York City (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Ixs7Y6KsI)
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Question about the shows with Paralyzed - Since that song is shorter, does DT make up that time elsewhere somehow, or is the show just shorter?
Not a complaint, just curious.
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LaBrie's voice sounded really weird last night in NYC. It was like the natural lows of his voice were filtered out. He even sounded higher-pitched while he was speaking. He just doesn't sound like that normally.
It was a nice surprise when they played In The Presence of Enemies Part I and A Nightmare to Remember. I was hoping they'd play Metropolis Part I which would've fit in well since they were playing all of Scenes...but instead they played Pull Me Under for the encore. Meh.
Overall it was a good concert. Everything sounded good for the most part but I had problems hearing Ruddess. Maybe it was because of where I was sitting. Surprisingly I was able to hear or at least feel the bass almost all the time so that was cool.
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Question about the shows with Paralyzed - Since that song is shorter, does DT make up that time elsewhere somehow, or is the show just shorter?
Not a complaint, just curious.
Just a few minutes shorter of a show. I can't think of anything different they did to make up for it between each nights. It's not a big deal. I'm not even sure which song was better live. Maybe Paralyzed although Fall Into the Light I enjoy more, but Paralyzed came off really well live and as a shorter song in between all those longer ones in the set was nice.
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While I would love some non-anniversary setlists just to shut up the knee jerk reactors who have started calling DT a nostalgia act, I hope the band won't completely shy away from the idea forever. Sometimes seeing a whole album live is a really amazing experience. I am incredibly glad I got to see The Astonishing live and Scenes (both now and 19 years ago). I only wish I'd gotten to see Images, Words, and Beyond.
Don't think I fall into the "knee jerk reactor" category, but the "play a whole album" idea is getting tired, especially now that this is the third tour in a row where they're doing that. If it's done on occasion, no problem. But it seems to be a bit of overkill right now. That said, *if* they are to play an album straight through, I'd rather they change the songs up to varying degrees to make it "new" - what they did for the 2017 is a good example of that. Sadly (for me), the version of SFaM they're currently doing is pretty much just like the album, right down to some of the pre-recorded backing vocals - if I wanted that, I could just listen to the CD in the comfort of my own home. Of course, there are some changes, which i gladly welcome, few as they are - I just wish there were more of them! ;)
I kind of have a different perspective, on both issues. I know people are tired of the whole album thing, but I really enjoy it. As far as new albums go, I've recently been able to see The Astonishing and the latest albums from Angra and Threshold, and while it's true that it doesn't leave as much room for other songs, I just really enjoyed it. I suppose if I didn't like a particular album it would be another story, but hearing a full album to me is a cool experience. And for classic albums, I kind of feel the same way. That doesn't mean I think DT should continue doing a classic album on every tour, but I certainly don't feel that it's been oversaturated at this point. I am so thrilled to have the opportunity to see Scenes from a Memory live in its entirety. And on that note, I'm actually glad that they've been staying pretty faithful to the original. Yes I know that I could listen to the album at home, and have done so many times, but hearing it live is something else entirely. It would have been cool maybe for Theresa Thomason to be at the NYC show, but aside from that, I just really like the way the album's being presented.
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Yea, I'm good with the album tours for now. I'd love a full on DT show with a setlist of anything and everything. TA, I&W, SFAM, all awesome, but I'd love a full on random DT setlist.
Anyway, the NYC show last night was awesome. JLB said the Myung, Petrucci, and Portnoy families were all in the house :metal
Holy shit. :o
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Yea, I'm good with the album tours for now. I'd love a full on DT show with a setlist of anything and everything. TA, I&W, SFAM, all awesome, but I'd love a full on random DT setlist.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for this. Ever since they went back to evening-with shows, it's all been about anniversaries and playing albums in their entirety. Hopefully the next tour will feature stuff from all of their discography.
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Yea, I'm good with the album tours for now. I'd love a full on DT show with a setlist of anything and everything. TA, I&W, SFAM, all awesome, but I'd love a full on random DT setlist.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for this. Ever since they went back to evening-with shows, it's all been about anniversaries and playing albums in their entirety. Hopefully the next tour will feature stuff from all of their discography.
This! Hopefully on the second north American leg of d/t in cities they missed on the first leg..
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Took me all day to make this, but I merged the videos from the Red Bank and NYC shows and made a full cramx3 concert experience video, it's quite long and has all my favorite moments from the concerts, I'll say it's probably the best video on youtube of this tour :biggrin:
Dream Theater LIVE Distance Over Time & Scenes From A Memory 20th Tour *cramx3 concert experience* (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgmolHzv4j8)
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Anyone else go to the Tower theater show?
It was awesome
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Anyone else go to the Tower theater show?
It was awesome
Was there! Good show but audio was bad.
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Anyone else go to the Tower theater show?
It was awesome
I was there. Yes it was awesome. Also, can people stop getting up and down for one goddamn minute?? And what’s with these idiots showing up trying to find their seats 15 minutes after the show has started? Can you seriously be this bad at planning ahead?
But yeah it kicked ass. Through Her Eyes was a surprising highlight for me. Very powerful. I was hoping they would go into the full band ending like they did on Live Scenes though.
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Anyone else go to the Tower theater show?
It was awesome
I was there. Yes it was awesome. Also, can people stop getting up and down for one goddamn minute?? And what’s with these idiots showing up trying to find their seats 15 minutes after the show has started? Can you seriously be this bad at planning ahead?
Stuff happens. It could've been their first time in the area. I never go to NYC which is where I saw the band twice and I was lucky enough to have a buddy who kind of knew their way around. Plus I'm terrible with directions.
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Some more thoughts now that I've been able to get some rest
Here's pic I snapped
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/c0/5f/9f/c05f9f6e31a53f75197d5b3178e28913.jpg)
First set was ok. A nightmare to remember isn't a song I care for, but since I just got in a crash myself a few days ago, the timing couldn't be more appropriate, lol. I do love that "Beautiful agony" slow section though. I would have absolutely swapped out Pale blue dot for At wits end (which I was very surprised they didn't to play). Loved hearing In the presence of enemies though. That was a cool surprise and a song I love.
Scenes set- Hot holy damn, was that incredible :hefdaddy :hefdaddy Them playing scenes was worth the price of admission alone. This set took the whole experience to the next level and I was totally drawn into It. I was even tearing up during through her eyes. Its always been so impressive to me how fast Scenes goes, despite its length. It flows so damn well and holds my attention all the way through.
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Phoenix, what was your seat#/row? I’m pretty sure one of those heads on your picture is me lol
But yeah the first set was ok. ANTR was fine, wish they would’ve play the whole ITPOTE, and I was surprised they left out AWE.
Also, I was almost sure the Glass Prison was gonna be the encore. PMU was a bit of a let down but still fun song. Also, I thought STR was supposed to be included, I guess it was delayed for another tour.
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Omg really? :lol
I was row DD and seat 122
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Anyone else go to the Tower theater show?
It was awesome
Yes I was there, it was amazing!
First off, let me just saw how damn good James sounds, in terms of his singing ability and hitting all of the notes. I had made a post a little while back asking what people thought about James using some kind of live auto tune. This was idiotic of me to even ask. Some people responded that he sounds amazing every time they see him live, and after last night, I get it now. I was going off of YouTube clips where he sounded bad, and this doesn’t do justice to seeing him. I haven’t seen them since the Chaos In Motion tour, so this is my first time seeing James at this stage of his life. He was even better this time.
That said, a little bit of negative. I read before hand that the show was VERY loud, and I found this to be true. Unless I’m just getting old, or should have brought ear plugs, I feel like everything would have sounded so much better and cleaner if it was all brought down a notch.
Also, the live mix in general wasn’t the best. It was very hard to hear Jordan, and when I could hear him, the EQ of many of his keyboard patches were very treble-y. The same goes with James’ mix - it was killing our ears when he would go to the high register. I feel like some kind of filter on the highs would have done wonders, though I don’t know much about live mixing. It just sounded shrill.
Anyway though, the mixing and sound is literally my only complaint.
MM IS AN ABSOLUTE POWERHOUSE AND SEEING HIM LIVE IS THE ONLY WAY TO DO THIS JUSTICE!!
JP was incredible as always. His lead tones were the one standout about the mix IMO. One of my favorite parts of the show was his solo section in Barstool Warrior.
JM sounded awesome! Lots of lows in his bass, really added a ton of energy. Especially during the palm muted parts (Pull Me Under for example). Such a thick sound.
Anyway, it was awesome overall. Standouts to me were ANTR, BW, ITPOE, TSCO, and FF. It’s crazy because SFAM is and will always be my favorite album ever, but I actually enjoyed the first half of the show more.
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Also, can people stop getting up and down for one goddamn minute?? And what’s with these idiots showing up trying to find their seats 15 minutes after the show has started? Can you seriously be this bad at planning ahead?
I can't speak for other shows, but I know in NYC, it's pretty slow to get into the Beacon Theatre. I knew this from last time and arrived early, but I know if you showed up close to 8pm you probably missed the beginning. People were still filing in for a bit at both shows I went to (Red Bank had no line to get in). I think that's fairly normal of any band, especially one who is a headlining act going on at 8pm sharp. Not everyone can make it on time and some people don't know they go on at 8pm sharp and to arrive early to make it inside on time.
As for the getting up and down, not an issue if you are standing :metal
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Anyone else go to the Tower theater show?
It was awesome
I was there as well. I got a JP pick!
I managed to score row DDD on the end. Got some decent photos and a few videos.
What hosting site do we use now for photos? Been years since I’ve shared here.
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Great show at The Tower. It was my 15th time seeing DT and impressive as always. Sound was kind of shitty from where I was sitting (about 3/4 way back on JM side. JR's keys and MM's individual drum sounds were lost in the mix but JM sounded the best I have ever heard him. About people finding their seats, they must have opened doors late, at 745 there was still 2 huge lines outside. I loved the 2nd set SFAM, it brought back great memories of 2000. I have to say that I missed MP's playing during that as I associate that album closely with him for some reason.
My last observation is becoming commonplace for me. Dude in front of me on Facebook or whatever for the whole show. WTF is wrong with people? You pay all that money and then stare at your phone the whole time? I wouldn't care what he was doing except it is SO distracting to people around him (me!) Holding a light right in front of me the whole show. Unfortunately this is a battle i will never win.
Kudos to DT for another great album and show!
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About people finding their seats, they must have opened doors late, at 745 there was still 2 huge lines outside.
Yes absolutely. My friend was late picking me up as he was coming from a meeting, and we got there around 7:50. I figured we wouldn't miss much, but the lines were huge. By the time we got in and got settled, they were already on ANTR (which was AWESOME btw).
It sucked missing FITL, but things happen. Not a huge UA fan so I really only missed one song I love, and a bit of Nightmare.
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You didn't miss Fall into the Light - they didn't do play it. :) You only missed UA.
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Loved hearing In the presence of enemies though. That was a cool surprise and a song I love.
That was a very cool surprise. I'm glad I didn't look at the setlist before the concert.
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Yeah, I think they definitely opened the doors late since when I got there at like 7:15pm, there were 2 MASSIVE lines formed outside. I just made it to my seat in time.
And the went on at 8pm on the dot, so it turned into kind of a cluster fuck :P
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Yeah, I think they definitely opened the doors late since when I got there at like 7:15pm, there were 2 MASSIVE lines formed outside. I just made it to my seat in time.
And the went on at 8pm on the dot, so it turned into kind of a cluster fuck :P
The line was long over here in NYC too but they let us go on a shorter line because my friend had a USMC sweater on :biggrin:
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Venues need to hire more people if they're going to wand each person down. Or, they should open the doors more than an hour before show time. Even if everyone shows up early, if they only have an hour for a sold out show, there's just not enough time. Since they probably won't do either of those things however... Maybe DT could consider having an official start time of 7:30 but just don't go on until everyone is in...
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Took me all day to make this, but I merged the videos from the Red Bank and NYC shows and made a full cramx3 concert experience video, it's quite long and has all my favorite moments from the concerts, I'll say it's probably the best video on youtube of this tour :biggrin:
Dream Theater LIVE Distance Over Time & Scenes From A Memory 20th Tour *cramx3 concert experience* (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgmolHzv4j8)
Excellent...totally captures the full concert experience. Great Job!!
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Great video of Through Her Eyes. That was one of the highlights of the Scenes set.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bsxJeGfbIw here's Barstool from New York City. Call it good luck, call it bass, call it being able to hear JM for only one day. Serves him right (and all that, feel free to complete the line) (predictable joke, sorry.) Seriously though, you'll hear JM very well here. Some of us here who may like to play along will find it helpful.
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While I would love some non-anniversary setlists just to shut up the knee jerk reactors who have started calling DT a nostalgia act, I hope the band won't completely shy away from the idea forever. Sometimes seeing a whole album live is a really amazing experience. I am incredibly glad I got to see The Astonishing live and Scenes (both now and 19 years ago). I only wish I'd gotten to see Images, Words, and Beyond.
Don't think I fall into the "knee jerk reactor" category, but the "play a whole album" idea is getting tired, especially now that this is the third tour in a row where they're doing that. If it's done on occasion, no problem. But it seems to be a bit of overkill right now. That said, *if* they are to play an album straight through, I'd rather they change the songs up to varying degrees to make it "new" - what they did for the 2017 is a good example of that. Sadly (for me), the version of SFaM they're currently doing is pretty much just like the album, right down to some of the pre-recorded backing vocals - if I wanted that, I could just listen to the CD in the comfort of my own home. Of course, there are some changes, which i gladly welcome, few as they are - I just wish there were more of them! ;)
As long as they play a reasonable amount of new stuff I don't much care what else they play. (Unless it's Systematic Chaos or Train Of Thought!) Although I suppose I'm not much of a fan of playing songs exactly as they were recorded.
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Omg really? :lol
I was row DD and seat 122
Yeah, I was row BB seat 124 :metal
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I'm coming off having seen the last three shows (Red Bank, NYC, and Philly), and I have to say that this tour has been one of my favorites for seeing DT live. The first set is beyond solid, with Barstool Warrior and Pale Blue Dot being a couple of the D/T standouts and the new material being joined by a couple of late Portnoy era tracks that play very well live. Untethered Angel is still fine, but probably the weakest D/T song for me. In terms of studio versions, Fall Into the Light >>> Paralyzed, but the gap is much more narrow live. The FITL middle section just doesn't translate as well on stage. SFAM is my all-time favorite album (and I wasn't a fan until a couple of albums later), so the second set was awesome for me every night. The encore even worked better live for me than it did on paper, as it really does get the crowd going in a way that I don't think any of their other ~7 minute songs really could.
The band is on fire this tour as well. JP, JR, and JM are rock solid as always, Mangini is having a blast, and I don't know if it's just a much more forgiving set than Beyond Images and Words but JLB sounds spot on and powerful. That's even considering that Red Bank was the third show in a row and Philly was the second night of a back to back. Love the new set design as it really changes things up a bit and allows for some very cool moments (JP and JR playing the Fatal Tragedy unison up on the catwalk = :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
The only downside of the weekend was an asshole that was next to me for part of the second set in Philly. My ticket that night was a Christmas present from my parents, a first-row ticket right in front of John Petrucci. I was essentially the last person in the front row as the three seats to the right of me were empty for most of the show. I ended up getting there partway through Nightmare and everyone in the first 2-3 rows at least on my side was sitting. Now, my preference would have been to stand from an energy perspective, I stood for all of the Red Bank and NYC shows and was ready to do the same in Philly since it's better in my opinion. Had I been there from the start I would have tried to stay standing for the start of UA to influence the vibe of our general area. Showing up partway through the second song though, I wasn't going to be the one guy standing and blocking the view of everybody around me. Just a dick move if you ask me. So I stayed seated, and had a perfectly good time for the first set. The second set starts and this guy shows up to my right (in the space of the previously mentioned untaken three seats) during Overture 1928 and he is both obviously trashed and obviously hyped as fuck for what's going on. He yells at everyone around him that they're "weak as fuck" for sitting down, which he would repeatedly do for the next six songs. He also starts slapping me in particular on the shoulder and telling me to "stand the fuck up", not just once or twice, but at least four to five times. He was putting his hands on the stage and at one point nearly rolled over one of the three little monitor speakers the band had on stage. He also took his jacket off and tried to leave it on stage. The security guy made him take it off the stage, then when he walked away for a minute to deal with something else this guy put it right back there. He started yelling at me during Beyond This Life for giving him the sideeye because I was keeping my eye on him in my peripheral because he kept whacking me in the shoulder. At which point I told him to shut the fuck up and leave me alone and gave him the finger for spoiling my front row night for my favorite album. He was still on his feet screaming like a jackass for the start of Through Her Eyes, at which point the security guy thankfully did something to take care of him permanently. Cecilia, it sounds like you must have been able to see him from where you were too.
And as far as being one of the "idiots" trying to find his seat 15 minutes into the show, in my case a friend was supposed to have a ticket for her at will call, but the guy working the box office couldn't find it, so that was a 20 minute ordeal to get sorted. By the time that was taken care of the set had just started but security still had a line of people to get in. Made it to my seat just in time for the Beautiful Agony section of ANTR.
Overall though I got to watch my favorite band play my desert island album three times in four days, so it was a fucking phenomenal weekend :hat
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While I would love some non-anniversary setlists just to shut up the knee jerk reactors who have started calling DT a nostalgia act, I hope the band won't completely shy away from the idea forever. Sometimes seeing a whole album live is a really amazing experience. I am incredibly glad I got to see The Astonishing live and Scenes (both now and 19 years ago). I only wish I'd gotten to see Images, Words, and Beyond.
Don't think I fall into the "knee jerk reactor" category, but the "play a whole album" idea is getting tired, especially now that this is the third tour in a row where they're doing that. If it's done on occasion, no problem. But it seems to be a bit of overkill right now. That said, *if* they are to play an album straight through, I'd rather they change the songs up to varying degrees to make it "new" - what they did for the 2017 is a good example of that. Sadly (for me), the version of SFaM they're currently doing is pretty much just like the album, right down to some of the pre-recorded backing vocals - if I wanted that, I could just listen to the CD in the comfort of my own home. Of course, there are some changes, which i gladly welcome, few as they are - I just wish there were more of them! ;)
As long as they play a reasonable amount of new stuff I don't much care what else they play. (Unless it's Systematic Chaos or Train Of Thought!) Although I suppose I'm not much of a fan of playing songs exactly as they were recorded.
I have a feeling that they will stick with this set for the year, and then when they tour next year, that is when they will unload S2N, AWE, possibly R137 with BW and PBD. Then they will play STR. And then play the Octavarium song for its 15th anniversary.
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Cecilia, it sounds like you must have been able to see him from where you were too.
Yes, I saw very clearly! I was three rows behind you, the last seat of the row.
I can’t believe you kept your cool with him smacking you! That girl who moved down towards the end and was head banging, but turned her back to the band made me :lol
Here are my videos from PA. And don’t worry, I didn’t block anyone’s view. I record Mr. C’s bands at every show, so I’m a pro between not blocking views, and watching the band not through a screen.
Beyond This Life (https://youtu.be/QrS9fViJ0v8)
Home (https://youtu.be/4V-DXWYg2oU)
The Dance of Eternity and One Last Time (https://youtu.be/qQ9bcltxA5o)
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The only downside of the weekend was an asshole that was next to me for part of the second set in Philly. My ticket that night was a Christmas present from my parents, a first-row ticket right in front of John Petrucci. I was essentially the last person in the front row as the three seats to the right of me were empty for most of the show. I ended up getting there partway through Nightmare and everyone in the first 2-3 rows at least on my side was sitting. Now, my preference would have been to stand from an energy perspective, I stood for all of the Red Bank and NYC shows and was ready to do the same in Philly since it's better in my opinion. Had I been there from the start I would have tried to stay standing for the start of UA to influence the vibe of our general area. Showing up partway through the second song though, I wasn't going to be the one guy standing and blocking the view of everybody around me. Just a dick move if you ask me. So I stayed seated, and had a perfectly good time for the first set. The second set starts and this guy shows up to my right (in the space of the previously mentioned untaken three seats) during Overture 1928 and he is both obviously trashed and obviously hyped as fuck for what's going on. He yells at everyone around him that they're "weak as fuck" for sitting down, which he would repeatedly do for the next six songs. He also starts slapping me in particular on the shoulder and telling me to "stand the fuck up", not just once or twice, but at least four to five times. He was putting his hands on the stage and at one point nearly rolled over one of the three little monitor speakers the band had on stage. He also took his jacket off and tried to leave it on stage. The security guy made him take it off the stage, then when he walked away for a minute to deal with something else this guy put it right back there. He started yelling at me during Beyond This Life for giving him the sideeye because I was keeping my eye on him in my peripheral because he kept whacking me in the shoulder. At which point I told him to shut the fuck up and leave me alone and gave him the finger for spoiling my front row night for my favorite album. He was still on his feet screaming like a jackass for the start of Through Her Eyes, at which point the security guy thankfully did something to take care of him permanently. Cecilia, it sounds like you must have been able to see him from where you were too.
Thank you for being a logical person unlike the two guys sitting in front of me. I was sitting on the opposite side and saw your section sitting down and thinking "Man I wish I was on the section" :P
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Damn Bill, you should check out the other thread, sounds almost like someone elses experience at the Beacon show.
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Was at the Tower Theater, and really enjoyed the show once we got in and finally were able to sit down (see my post about the ordeal).
Anyone else find the mix to be horrendous for the 1st few songs? We were front row of the loge, but from where we were sitting, it was nothing but bass drum and a steady deep resonance from Myung. Could barely hear JP at all. Jordan came through well enough, I guess, and James soared over all of it.
But unless you knew how to follow along with the song, you'd easily get lost immediately because it was nothing but just OOMPH. Luckily they got it figured out, but I'd say it was pretty bad at least through the 1st two songs.
I watched some footage from the stage of the opening, and the mix was fine! So not sure what the deal was.
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Anyone else at the Tower Theater show notice that Jordan missed his cue for the 3-note Metropolis Part 1 reprise at the start of the overture? It was either that or something went wrong on the equipment end, b/c I was sooooo waiting for that moment to set the stage, but nope, boom, just right in to the march build before the song kicks in.
I checked out some footage from the show and I really think it wasn't just me missing something: I can't find it in the footage, either. I checked footage from other shows to see if maybe for whatever reason he wasn't doing it (unlikely), and it was really soft and almost missed, but it was there. So maybe it was there for Upper Darby but the stars just aligned that it didn't make it through like it should have.
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Could be the sound was bad like you said and that was just inaudible for your ears, but not inaudible for a camera to pick up. If you say its in the video, I'm likely to believe it was there.
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Cecilia, it sounds like you must have been able to see him from where you were too.
Yes, I saw very clearly! I was three rows behind you, the last seat of the row.
I can’t believe you kept your cool with him smacking you! That girl who moved down towards the end and was head banging, but turned her back to the band made me :lol
Here are my videos from PA. And don’t worry, I didn’t block anyone’s view. I record Mr. C’s bands at every show, so I’m a pro between not blocking views, and watching the band not through a screen.
Beyond This Life (https://youtu.be/QrS9fViJ0v8)
Home (https://youtu.be/4V-DXWYg2oU)
The Dance of Eternity and One Last Time (https://youtu.be/qQ9bcltxA5o)
I was just about at my breaking point of going to security to get them to intervene when he got the boot for good. I also ended up waiting just inside the venue until my Uber was literally right there because I wasn't sure if the guy had gotten thrown out or something and he seemed to be pissed at me in particular before he left.
For everyone else, the guy I'm talking about is visible on the right side at the very start of the Beyond This Life video and then pops up a few more times throughout the song. I think ~ the nine minute mark might be one of the times he actually put his hands on me, you can see him looking down like he's talking to me.
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I remember that guy. I saw him banging on the stage, but I didn't realize that he was actually hitting you. Much as I prefer standing at a show, I would never dream of doing that to another person. Or insulting them in an attempt to get them to stand. I don't really think that's going to work...
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The only downside of the weekend was an asshole that was next to me for part of the second set in Philly. My ticket that night was a Christmas present from my parents, a first-row ticket right in front of John Petrucci. I was essentially the last person in the front row as the three seats to the right of me were empty for most of the show. I ended up getting there partway through Nightmare and everyone in the first 2-3 rows at least on my side was sitting. Now, my preference would have been to stand from an energy perspective, I stood for all of the Red Bank and NYC shows and was ready to do the same in Philly since it's better in my opinion. Had I been there from the start I would have tried to stay standing for the start of UA to influence the vibe of our general area. Showing up partway through the second song though, I wasn't going to be the one guy standing and blocking the view of everybody around me. Just a dick move if you ask me. So I stayed seated, and had a perfectly good time for the first set. The second set starts and this guy shows up to my right (in the space of the previously mentioned untaken three seats) during Overture 1928 and he is both obviously trashed and obviously hyped as fuck for what's going on. He yells at everyone around him that they're "weak as fuck" for sitting down, which he would repeatedly do for the next six songs. He also starts slapping me in particular on the shoulder and telling me to "stand the fuck up", not just once or twice, but at least four to five times. He was putting his hands on the stage and at one point nearly rolled over one of the three little monitor speakers the band had on stage. He also took his jacket off and tried to leave it on stage. The security guy made him take it off the stage, then when he walked away for a minute to deal with something else this guy put it right back there. He started yelling at me during Beyond This Life for giving him the sideeye because I was keeping my eye on him in my peripheral because he kept whacking me in the shoulder. At which point I told him to shut the fuck up and leave me alone and gave him the finger for spoiling my front row night for my favorite album. He was still on his feet screaming like a jackass for the start of Through Her Eyes, at which point the security guy thankfully did something to take care of him permanently. Cecilia, it sounds like you must have been able to see him from where you were too.
I think I was sitting right behind you. Me and my friends kept motioning to the security guard to deal with that idiot. I’m glad they finally took care of him.
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The only downside of the weekend was an asshole that was next to me for part of the second set in Philly. My ticket that night was a Christmas present from my parents, a first-row ticket right in front of John Petrucci. I was essentially the last person in the front row as the three seats to the right of me were empty for most of the show. I ended up getting there partway through Nightmare and everyone in the first 2-3 rows at least on my side was sitting. Now, my preference would have been to stand from an energy perspective, I stood for all of the Red Bank and NYC shows and was ready to do the same in Philly since it's better in my opinion. Had I been there from the start I would have tried to stay standing for the start of UA to influence the vibe of our general area. Showing up partway through the second song though, I wasn't going to be the one guy standing and blocking the view of everybody around me. Just a dick move if you ask me. So I stayed seated, and had a perfectly good time for the first set. The second set starts and this guy shows up to my right (in the space of the previously mentioned untaken three seats) during Overture 1928 and he is both obviously trashed and obviously hyped as fuck for what's going on. He yells at everyone around him that they're "weak as fuck" for sitting down, which he would repeatedly do for the next six songs. He also starts slapping me in particular on the shoulder and telling me to "stand the fuck up", not just once or twice, but at least four to five times. He was putting his hands on the stage and at one point nearly rolled over one of the three little monitor speakers the band had on stage. He also took his jacket off and tried to leave it on stage. The security guy made him take it off the stage, then when he walked away for a minute to deal with something else this guy put it right back there. He started yelling at me during Beyond This Life for giving him the sideeye because I was keeping my eye on him in my peripheral because he kept whacking me in the shoulder. At which point I told him to shut the fuck up and leave me alone and gave him the finger for spoiling my front row night for my favorite album. He was still on his feet screaming like a jackass for the start of Through Her Eyes, at which point the security guy thankfully did something to take care of him permanently. Cecilia, it sounds like you must have been able to see him from where you were too.
I think I was sitting right behind you. Me and my friends kept motioning to the security guard to deal with that idiot. I’m glad they finally took care of him.
I've had multiple concerts ruined by people being trashed. If people want to have a beer or two, be my guest. But when they are getting totally hammered and making it a crappy experience for other people, then that's super lame.
Luckily I didn't see this dude.
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Favorite picture from Philly:
(https://i.imgur.com/At5SsFI.jpg)
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That is awesome!!
Those pants are queer though. :lol
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That is awesome!!
Those pants are queer though. :lol
Yeah the picture was cool until I scrolled down a bit more.
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I've been gone for a while, are they still doing the sets from the first couple of shows? Only FITL & Paralyzed switching nights?
Are they regular about switching them? Cause it looks like I'm going to see them on two shows with a show in the middle so I'm probably getting the same set twice which is okay if it's only one song changing but I'm hoping I'd get Paralyzed and if they are indeed doing that rotation very regularly I can pretty much find out which song I'm getting, which might influence me to try harder at getting tickets to that middle show.
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I've been gone for a while, are they still doing the sets from the first couple of shows? Only FITL & Paralyzed switching nights?
Are they regular about switching them? Cause it looks like I'm going to see them on two shows with a show in the middle so I'm probably getting the same set twice which is okay if it's only one song changing but I'm hoping I'd get Paralyzed and if they are indeed doing that rotation very regularly I can pretty much find out which song I'm getting, which might influence me to try harder at getting tickets to that middle show.
Just saw the DC show tonight. Standard set list with FITL
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I've been gone for a while, are they still doing the sets from the first couple of shows? Only FITL & Paralyzed switching nights?
Are they regular about switching them? Cause it looks like I'm going to see them on two shows with a show in the middle so I'm probably getting the same set twice which is okay if it's only one song changing but I'm hoping I'd get Paralyzed and if they are indeed doing that rotation very regularly I can pretty much find out which song I'm getting, which might influence me to try harder at getting tickets to that middle show.
Can you make that sentence just a little bit longer? :)
But yes, it seems that they're switching those two each night. Apparently they did Fall Into the Light at all three Canada shows, so no absolute guarantees. But I'd say in general you'd be safe to assume you'll hear both if you add that middle show.
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Took me all day to make this, but I merged the videos from the Red Bank and NYC shows and made a full cramx3 concert experience video, it's quite long and has all my favorite moments from the concerts, I'll say it's probably the best video on youtube of this tour :biggrin:
Dream Theater LIVE Distance Over Time & Scenes From A Memory 20th Tour *cramx3 concert experience* (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgmolHzv4j8)
Looks like you were right where my party was at the Beacon for I&W&B. Anyone else remember the loud assholes fighting over nothing kerfuffles that kept happening over there at that show?
Thankfully, they actually came to New Haven County this time, so the worst we had to deal with were the Soup Nazis who work at the Oakdale. That, and Japan-like crowds... at least they stood this time.
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I've been gone for a while, are they still doing the sets from the first couple of shows? Only FITL & Paralyzed switching nights?
Are they regular about switching them? Cause it looks like I'm going to see them on two shows with a show in the middle so I'm probably getting the same set twice which is okay if it's only one song changing but I'm hoping I'd get Paralyzed and if they are indeed doing that rotation very regularly I can pretty much find out which song I'm getting, which might influence me to try harder at getting tickets to that middle show.
Can you make that sentence just a little bit longer? :)
I noticed that after I posted :lol
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The only downside of the weekend was an asshole that was next to me for part of the second set in Philly. My ticket that night was a Christmas present from my parents, a first-row ticket right in front of John Petrucci. I was essentially the last person in the front row as the three seats to the right of me were empty for most of the show. I ended up getting there partway through Nightmare and everyone in the first 2-3 rows at least on my side was sitting. Now, my preference would have been to stand from an energy perspective, I stood for all of the Red Bank and NYC shows and was ready to do the same in Philly since it's better in my opinion. Had I been there from the start I would have tried to stay standing for the start of UA to influence the vibe of our general area. Showing up partway through the second song though, I wasn't going to be the one guy standing and blocking the view of everybody around me. Just a dick move if you ask me. So I stayed seated, and had a perfectly good time for the first set. The second set starts and this guy shows up to my right (in the space of the previously mentioned untaken three seats) during Overture 1928 and he is both obviously trashed and obviously hyped as fuck for what's going on. He yells at everyone around him that they're "weak as fuck" for sitting down, which he would repeatedly do for the next six songs. He also starts slapping me in particular on the shoulder and telling me to "stand the fuck up", not just once or twice, but at least four to five times. He was putting his hands on the stage and at one point nearly rolled over one of the three little monitor speakers the band had on stage. He also took his jacket off and tried to leave it on stage. The security guy made him take it off the stage, then when he walked away for a minute to deal with something else this guy put it right back there. He started yelling at me during Beyond This Life for giving him the sideeye because I was keeping my eye on him in my peripheral because he kept whacking me in the shoulder. At which point I told him to shut the fuck up and leave me alone and gave him the finger for spoiling my front row night for my favorite album. He was still on his feet screaming like a jackass for the start of Through Her Eyes, at which point the security guy thankfully did something to take care of him permanently. Cecilia, it sounds like you must have been able to see him from where you were too.
I think I was sitting right behind you. Me and my friends kept motioning to the security guard to deal with that idiot. I’m glad they finally took care of him.
I've had multiple concerts ruined by people being trashed. If people want to have a beer or two, be my guest. But when they are getting totally hammered and making it a crappy experience for other people, then that's super lame.
Luckily I didn't see this dude.
He didn’t ruin it for me either. He was gone before Act 2 of Scenes, which is where my three favorite songs on the album reside. It was an incredible show, the type of experience that can’t be ruined by some random drunk asshole being a dick for 20 minutes.
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I'm coming off having seen the last three shows (Red Bank, NYC, and Philly), and I have to say that this tour has been one of my favorites for seeing DT live. The first set is beyond solid, with Barstool Warrior and Pale Blue Dot being a couple of the D/T standouts and the new material being joined by a couple of late Portnoy era tracks that play very well live. Untethered Angel is still fine, but probably the weakest D/T song for me. In terms of studio versions, Fall Into the Light >>> Paralyzed, but the gap is much more narrow live. The FITL middle section just doesn't translate as well on stage. SFAM is my all-time favorite album (and I wasn't a fan until a couple of albums later), so the second set was awesome for me every night. The encore even worked better live for me than it did on paper, as it really does get the crowd going in a way that I don't think any of their other ~7 minute songs really could.
The band is on fire this tour as well. JP, JR, and JM are rock solid as always, Mangini is having a blast, and I don't know if it's just a much more forgiving set than Beyond Images and Words but JLB sounds spot on and powerful. That's even considering that Red Bank was the third show in a row and Philly was the second night of a back to back. Love the new set design as it really changes things up a bit and allows for some very cool moments (JP and JR playing the Fatal Tragedy unison up on the catwalk = :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
The only downside of the weekend was an asshole that was next to me for part of the second set in Philly. My ticket that night was a Christmas present from my parents, a first-row ticket right in front of John Petrucci. I was essentially the last person in the front row as the three seats to the right of me were empty for most of the show. I ended up getting there partway through Nightmare and everyone in the first 2-3 rows at least on my side was sitting. Now, my preference would have been to stand from an energy perspective, I stood for all of the Red Bank and NYC shows and was ready to do the same in Philly since it's better in my opinion. Had I been there from the start I would have tried to stay standing for the start of UA to influence the vibe of our general area. Showing up partway through the second song though, I wasn't going to be the one guy standing and blocking the view of everybody around me. Just a dick move if you ask me. So I stayed seated, and had a perfectly good time for the first set. The second set starts and this guy shows up to my right (in the space of the previously mentioned untaken three seats) during Overture 1928 and he is both obviously trashed and obviously hyped as fuck for what's going on. He yells at everyone around him that they're "weak as fuck" for sitting down, which he would repeatedly do for the next six songs. He also starts slapping me in particular on the shoulder and telling me to "stand the fuck up", not just once or twice, but at least four to five times. He was putting his hands on the stage and at one point nearly rolled over one of the three little monitor speakers the band had on stage. He also took his jacket off and tried to leave it on stage. The security guy made him take it off the stage, then when he walked away for a minute to deal with something else this guy put it right back there. He started yelling at me during Beyond This Life for giving him the sideeye because I was keeping my eye on him in my peripheral because he kept whacking me in the shoulder. At which point I told him to shut the fuck up and leave me alone and gave him the finger for spoiling my front row night for my favorite album. He was still on his feet screaming like a jackass for the start of Through Her Eyes, at which point the security guy thankfully did something to take care of him permanently. Cecilia, it sounds like you must have been able to see him from where you were too.
And as far as being one of the "idiots" trying to find his seat 15 minutes into the show, in my case a friend was supposed to have a ticket for her at will call, but the guy working the box office couldn't find it, so that was a 20 minute ordeal to get sorted. By the time that was taken care of the set had just started but security still had a line of people to get in. Made it to my seat just in time for the Beautiful Agony section of ANTR.
Overall though I got to watch my favorite band play my desert island album three times in four days, so it was a fucking phenomenal weekend :hat
Was it this guy??
https://old.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/bdu1ib/yeah_i_was_that_guy_last_night_sorry_not_sorry/
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I've had multiple concerts ruined by people being trashed. If people want to have a beer or two, be my guest. But when they are getting totally hammered and making it a crappy experience for other people, then that's super lame.
I took a girl to one of Maiden's Somewhere in Time shows in 1987. I knew she was a pothead, but she bought LSD from someone in the parking lot. She spent most of the opening band (Vinnie Vincent Invasion) in the bathroom (throwing up and who knows what). I managed to drag her to our seats for Maiden. This was back in the day when folks would stand on the chairs on the floor, but she could barely stand. I ended up spending most of the show with one foot on my chair, the other foot on the back of the chair in front of her, and her head rested on my shoe. Needless to say, that was pretty much the last I had to do with her.
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Was it this guy??
https://old.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/bdu1ib/yeah_i_was_that_guy_last_night_sorry_not_sorry/
I think that was the guy I observed throughout the Philly show from up in the loge. I noticed he was rocking out, but didn't know if he was causing any problems with it. His "sorry not sorry" comment is really douchey, though.
ETA: His post is only a few hours old. Is this from Philly or DC?
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Was it this guy??
https://old.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/bdu1ib/yeah_i_was_that_guy_last_night_sorry_not_sorry/
He looks annoying
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Was it this guy??
https://old.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/bdu1ib/yeah_i_was_that_guy_last_night_sorry_not_sorry/
I think that was the guy I observed throughout the Philly show from up in the loge. I noticed he was rocking out, but didn't know if he was causing any problems with it. His "sorry not sorry" comment is really douchey, though.
He made another comment saying "Yeah that's me. Fueled by 16oz cans of Bells Two Hearted. The security guard was keeping an eye on me all night lol."
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Was it this guy??
https://old.reddit.com/r/Dreamtheater/comments/bdu1ib/yeah_i_was_that_guy_last_night_sorry_not_sorry/
I think that was the guy I observed throughout the Philly show from up in the loge. I noticed he was rocking out, but didn't know if he was causing any problems with it. His "sorry not sorry" comment is really douchey, though.
That's not the guy from axeman's post. That pic was from the DC show last night. He was maybe over the top, and security spoke with him a couple times, but I don't think he was getting in anyone's face. (Or hitting them).
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I think the picture is pretty cool, but the attitude is a bit douchy. I got no problems with people rocking out hard, but axeman's situation and the other thread with the guy at the beacon, they both seem over the top. If this is a different dude from DC, I'll hold judgement since some douchy comments don't make me think he necessarily ruined anyone else's night.
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I think the picture is pretty cool, but the attitude is a bit douchy. I got no problems with people rocking out hard, but axeman's situation and the other thread with the guy at the beacon, they both seem over the top. If this is a different dude from DC, I'll hold judgement since some douchy comments don't make me think he necessarily ruined anyone else's night.
He also said "I was that guy. Probably pissed off some people around me but whatever. Wow what a show!" :lol
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I saw them in NYC. I love the new album and thought it would translate really well live, but I have to say I was a bit underwhelmed by the new stuff live. Highlights of the show for me were ITPOE (unreal), and the whole 2nd half (they nailed the instrumental bits of Scenes).
As much as I hate to say it, seeing the material live kinda revealed just how much more interesting and intricate their older stuff is than D/T. And don't get me wrong, I love D/T.
Finally, Mangini was extremely underwhelming. The middle part of this kit muddles together and while I'm not a drummer, it feels like the guy doesn't use hi-hats. Such a technically gifted drummer, but yea....
Overall, an absolutely amazing live experience because of the brilliance of Myung, Rudess and Petrucci. One of a kind!
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Finally, Mangini was extremely underwhelming. The middle part of this kit muddles together and while I'm not a drummer, it feels like the guy doesn't use hi-hats. Such a technically gifted drummer, but yea....
Your experience was your experience, so there's no refuting it, but I just find this statement curious b/c it's pretty much the exact opposite reaction that most everyone has had to MM on this tour so far.
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I saw them in NYC. I love the new album and thought it would translate really well live, but I have to say I was a bit underwhelmed by the new stuff live. Highlights of the show for me were ITPOE (unreal), and the whole 2nd half (they nailed the instrumental bits of Scenes).
As much as I hate to say it, seeing the material live kinda revealed just how much more interesting and intricate their older stuff is than D/T. And don't get me wrong, I love D/T.
Finally, Mangini was extremely underwhelming. The middle part of this kit muddles together and while I'm not a drummer, it feels like the guy doesn't use hi-hats. Such a technically gifted drummer, but yea....
Overall, an absolutely amazing live experience because of the brilliance of Myung, Rudess and Petrucci. One of a kind!
I agree, though I did love Barstool Warrior live. UA, FITL, and PBD are three of my four least favorite songs off the new album, so that probably had something to do with it.
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PBD was easily my most liked of the new songs live. I loved it. UA was a bit lackluster and FitL was good but nothing mind blowing. I think I liked Paralyzed the second best live, it just came off well and then Barstool Warrior which is an awesome song and nice change of pace in the really heavy first set.
I think the picture is pretty cool, but the attitude is a bit douchy. I got no problems with people rocking out hard, but axeman's situation and the other thread with the guy at the beacon, they both seem over the top. If this is a different dude from DC, I'll hold judgement since some douchy comments don't make me think he necessarily ruined anyone else's night.
He also said "I was that guy. Probably pissed off some people around me but whatever. Wow what a show!" :lol
:lol yea well I guess that answers that
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I thought Pale Blue Dot was incredible live. Barstool Warrior second for me. I enjoyed the other three as well, but not on the level of those two.
And my non-drummer opinion is that MM has been amazing.
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This was a weird show for me. I saw them do SfaM the 1st time around, plus the little mini-suite on the Along for the Ride tour, plus all the little bits they've played in between.
The new album doesn't blow me away at all, so there was nothing I was itching to see performed live from it.
So going, in the big draw (aside from SfaM from a "I know I'll enjoy the time" perspective, even though I've seen it in various iterations) was the possible surprises. I've never heard A Nightmare to Remember live before, so that definitely satisfied that craving. And I've seen them do ItPoE before (both the full version and Part 1 only) before, but it was nice to catch it again, so that was a win.
So overall I'm glad I went, and I feel like I got what I was expecting, but it's a weird case where had I missed the show, I'm not sure I would have been too too upset (depending on how I felt about not catching ANtR that day, hah)
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I think the picture is pretty cool, but the attitude is a bit douchy. I got no problems with people rocking out hard, but axeman's situation and the other thread with the guy at the beacon, they both seem over the top. If this is a different dude from DC, I'll hold judgement since some douchy comments don't make me think he necessarily ruined anyone else's night.
He also said "I was that guy. Probably pissed off some people around me but whatever. Wow what a show!" :lol
:lol yea well I guess that answers that
I was at the DC show last night and saw that guy, he was right in front of JP the whole night and I was a few rows back. He was a little rowdy and a bit overenthusiastic and I saw security come talk to him a few times, but he didn't ruin the show for me.
The theater ushers constantly whipping their flashlights out every time someone looked at their phone got really annoying though. :\
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I think the picture is pretty cool, but the attitude is a bit douchy. I got no problems with people rocking out hard, but axeman's situation and the other thread with the guy at the beacon, they both seem over the top. If this is a different dude from DC, I'll hold judgement since some douchy comments don't make me think he necessarily ruined anyone else's night.
He also said "I was that guy. Probably pissed off some people around me but whatever. Wow what a show!" :lol
:lol yea well I guess that answers that
I was at the DC show last night and saw that guy, he was right in front of JP the whole night and I was a few rows back. He was a little rowdy and a bit overenthusiastic and I saw security come talk to him a few times, but he didn't ruin the show for me.
The theater ushers constantly whipping their flashlights out every time someone looked at their phone got really annoying though. :\
I have to say, at the CT show, that was far more disruptive and distracting than anyone actually using their phone.
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I was happy the ushers were not out at the NYC show and were pretty much fine at the NJ show. Just loved how the one time the usher came nearby, some girl fell down the stairs and he was too busy to talk to someone about their phone than to help or even notice the girl who fell.
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Event staff and security in SF were pretty rude. I know I would think twice about seeing a show there again. And it wasn't just toward people trying to take pics or whatever either. They were even difficult with the band's management.
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I don't really blame the staff in DC. As we were walking in, they told people no flash and no video. One of the ushers said that it was per the band's request. I think they were just doing what they were asked to do. If the band said let people do what they want, I'm sure they wouldn't care.
And I kind of felt for one of the ushers - people were constantly trying to walk up to the stage and stand in the aisle. Usually they would leave as soon as they were told to, but there was this one guy but just completely ignored the usher. He kept walking in front of her, trying to get JP's attention, totally disregarding but he was being asked to leave. To her credit I think, she gave him quite a long time before finally motioning for security to deal with it.
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I was at the DC show last night, and I thought it was fantastic! I wore earplugs as suggested elsewhere on these forums; while I'm glad I did, the levels actually weren't ear-splitting. The mix was good too - I could hear guitar, bass, and drums clearly the whole night, though at times in the first set James was drowned out. Speaking of James, he was straining to hit notes during the second half of the first set and he told the crowd he had caught a cold. That made me nervous for Scenes but honestly he killed it from Regression through Pull Me Under. I was really impressed. JP, JM, JR, and MM were on point, and they seemed to be having a fun time. The crowd was great, too. I was in the center orchestra section and everyone I could see was standing for the whole show. A lot of people sang with James for the entirety of SFAM.
This was my first time seeing the band live and I feel really lucky to have experienced such a great show, especially considering SFAM is my favorite album.
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I wore earplugs as suggested elsewhere on these forums
Overly parental editorial: everyone should always wear earplugs. I even wear them at amphitheater shows.
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Mangini posted a vid of his soundcheck:
what a soundcheck (https://youtu.be/Uz3WWj6NOrY)
That is a regular section in his drum solo and I really love how groovy it sounds. I wonder if they can write a song around it.
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I think the picture is pretty cool, but the attitude is a bit douchy. I got no problems with people rocking out hard, but axeman's situation and the other thread with the guy at the beacon, they both seem over the top. If this is a different dude from DC, I'll hold judgement since some douchy comments don't make me think he necessarily ruined anyone else's night.
He also said "I was that guy. Probably pissed off some people around me but whatever. Wow what a show!" :lol
:lol yea well I guess that answers that
I was at the DC show last night and saw that guy, he was right in front of JP the whole night and I was a few rows back. He was a little rowdy and a bit overenthusiastic and I saw security come talk to him a few times, but he didn't ruin the show for me.
The theater ushers constantly whipping their flashlights out every time someone looked at their phone got really annoying though. :\
I have to say, at the CT show, that was far more disruptive and distracting than anyone actually using their phone.
Like I said, Oakdale are a bunch of Soup Nazis. (Yes, I'm aware that the videography was probably a band request.) I should see if my high school history teacher still works there.
Fuck off lady, you don't need to check my ticket again. This isn't Yankee Stadium, this isn't a huge crowd, and my seats aren't that good. Stop screaming at me to go the other way around, and go direct traffic outside or something. Get that damn flashlight out of my face before it ends up somewhere quite uncomfortable.
One of the ushers used another audience member to get the attention of a filmer. I'd've told the usher to piss off; I ain't no scab.
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I attended my first DT show last night in Nashville. The overall sound, particularly James was off on the first song, but fixed by ANTR, which was not my preference. iTPOE, part one was fantastic. The rest of the show was spot on. I was sure they would play The Glass Prison, but maybe next time.
During the vocal breaks, James went behind the stage set every time. I wonder if he has some type of set up in back of the stage to help keep his voice in shape.
For the next tour, I would them to have a strong support band and then play a variety of songs, and not entire albums.
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I hear James has a tent backstage that he chills in when he vanishes. Very possible whoever said that was joking though.
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I hear James has a tent backstage that he chills in when he vanishes. Very possible whoever said that was joking though.
It’s true :lol
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I attended my first DT show last night in Nashville. The overall sound, particularly James was off on the first song, but fixed by ANTR, which was not my preference. iTPOE, part one was fantastic. The rest of the show was spot on. I was sure they would play The Glass Prison, but maybe next time.
During the vocal breaks, James went behind the stage set every time. I wonder if he has some type of set up in back of the stage to help keep his voice in shape.
For the next tour, I would them to have a strong support band and then play a variety of songs, and not entire albums.
I don't know about supporting band, I prefer the Evening With format, but yeah, I wouldn't mind just having a selection of songs, not whole albums. I mean, I certainly wouldn't want them to be playing Falling Into Infinity in its entirety or something, haha. I don't mind chunks of an album to commemorate it, like the Breaking The Fourth Wall set. In fact, that was probably one of my most favorite selection of songs they ever played at a single concert.
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I hear James has a tent backstage that he chills in when he vanishes. Very possible whoever said that was joking though.
It’s true :lol
In the past, James would have a tent of sorts set up behind JP's cabs, it would depend on the tour setup.
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If they keep the anniversary sets rolling, they can always double down next time and still fall within their current concert duration:
DT: Full Circle Tour:
Set 1:
When Dream and Day Unite
Set 2:
Distance Over Time
Encore:
Octavarium
I'd go :)
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If they keep the anniversary sets rolling, they can always double down next time and still fall within their current concert duration:
DT: Full Circle Tour:
Set 1:
When Dream and Day Unite
Set 2:
Distance Over Time
Encore:
Octavarium
I'd go :)
Distance over time? That sounds like a tour that would be happening no sooner than 2029. Now, while I don't expect them to retire in 10 years, something tells me that they won't be doing concerts quite this long by then.
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If they keep the anniversary sets rolling, they can always double down next time and still fall within their current concert duration:
DT: Full Circle Tour:
Set 1:
When Dream and Day Unite
Set 2:
Distance Over Time
Encore:
Octavarium
I'd go :)
wow pretty cool idea although I'm on the team of give me random songs not tour and not full albums for a bit.
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My friend thought it would be cool for the band to do a tour where the 1st set is all shorter stuff, and the 2nd set is a few of the longer pieces. When pinged for what might make up the 2nd set, for me it was easy:
(in no particular order)
6DoIT
The Count of Tuscany
Octavarium
Boom, awesome 2nd set of epics. If that's too long a set, TCoT or O could move to the encore. No need for ACoS (played on the I&W25 tour) or Illumination Theory (too recently played, as well). Some might argue the full ItPoE, but given that they're playing part 1 now, again: too superfluous
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Since the band is now on an extended weekend off, I wonder if there is any chance for changes to the setlist when they resume Monday night in Charlotte?
Not necessarily wanting any. Just curious about chances.
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For the next tour, I would them to have a strong support band and then play a variety of songs, and not entire albums.
I don't know about supporting band, I prefer the Evening With format, but yeah, I wouldn't mind just having a selection of songs, not whole albums. I mean, I certainly wouldn't want them to be playing Falling Into Infinity in its entirety or something, haha. I don't mind chunks of an album to commemorate it, like the Breaking The Fourth Wall set. In fact, that was probably one of my most favorite selection of songs they ever played at a single concert.
Support bands: :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn
Since the next album tour will probably happen in 2022 (assuming the band keeps up its current pace), it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the entirety of SDOIT (the song -- i.e., disc 2) is played. I would be really happy about that since I missed the SDOIT tour and have only seen about half of the pieces of SDOIT live. It's pretty much the only "bucket list" DT song left for me.
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I'd rather see disc 1 of SDOIT live than the song itself, just my opinion.
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I'd rather see disc 1 of SDOIT live than the song itself, just my opinion.
This.
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I'd rather see disc 1 of SDOIT live than the song itself, just my opinion.
If they did that, it would give me a 20+ minute bathroom/merch stand/beer break after Misunderstood. TGD and Disappear are, IMO, terrible songs that I hope never again see the light of day.
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You spelled "Eve" and "Hollow Years" wrong.
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I'd rather see disc 1 of SDOIT live than the song itself, just my opinion.
If they did that, it would give me a 20+ minute bathroom/merch stand/beer break after Misunderstood. TGD and Disappear are, IMO, terrible songs that I hope never again see the light of day.
If they did disc 1 as a set, I do think disappear would just lead people to go to the bathroom early before intermission, ill give you that. They'd have to do another song after, but TGD is solid. I've never seen it live and would like to even if its not a favorite song of mine.
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I've been really surprised by the less than enthusiastic response A Nightmare to Remember is getting from more than a few people ITT.
I think it's a great song. Great groove, beautiful lilting middle section, tells a little story...
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You spelled "Eve" and "Hollow Years" wrong.
CAAAARRY ME TO THE SHOOOOOORELIIIIIIINE!
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I would *love* to see Disappear live. Sure, some people would go to the bathroom. Happens to just about every ballad. I don't care. It's a beautiful song.
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As long as Disappear is played at it's recorded pace and doesn't feel severely sped up, I am all for seeing it live.
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Disappear is the most haunting, beautiful song they've ever written. I think I need to see this one live more than any other.
Fun note: My awesome mom talked security at the Oakdale Theater into letting me stick around to meet the band after their 6 Degrees show nearly 20 years ago (she went too as she also loves DT). I told James "I can't believe you played 6 Degrees in it's entirety!" and he stared at me blankly and said "I don't think we did." Then he realized I meant the song, not the whole album, and tiredly signed my shirt. 'Twas a moment!
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I'd like to see an all (or mostly) rarities DT set, but I'm entirely sure it won't happen anyway.
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I'd like to see an all (or mostly) rarities DT set, but I'm entirely sure it won't happen anyway.
As much as we diehards would love that, it will *never* happen until MP returns (and I say that, not expecting him to).
I spoke with JP after the Milwaukee show, and we got to talking about a setlist I had e-mailed him as a joke that was full of "deep" cuts and rarities, which led to us talking about how they included DLPM in the setlist for the last run of shows in 2017. He said he was super excited about including it and figured the fans would be eating it up. But he said that outside of a couple of diehards in each audience going completely nuts, the vast majority of the audience just sat/stood there with blank expressions on their faces. So they dropped it. I'm sure that was the same reason why they dropped TLF a little later on in that same tour leg (despite the fact that it is much more well known), and I know it was the reason TGD was also dropped from the first proper run of shows they did in North America in 2011. I reminded him that it's OK for it to be that way, because there are the crazy diehards like us in every audience, few as we may be, that eat that stuff up and are the songs we live to hear them perform.
So for the time being, the best you can imagine getting would be one or two rarities in a show...that is until enough shows go by and JP opts to drop them in favor of something more popular. :P
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I remember when they played DLPM in Oakland. There were like maybe 10 of us going bananas. Everyone else had no idea what they were playing. It was...shocking. But man, what a treat.
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I remember when they played DLPM in Oakland. There were like maybe 10 of us going bananas. Everyone else had no idea what they were playing. It was...shocking. But man, what a treat.
I am so pissed at myself for missing DLPM! I skipped that tour. Pretty sure they played it in LA right? lol
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I remember when they played DLPM in Oakland. There were like maybe 10 of us going bananas. Everyone else had no idea what they were playing. It was...shocking. But man, what a treat.
DLPM??
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I remember when they played DLPM in Oakland. There were like maybe 10 of us going bananas. Everyone else had no idea what they were playing. It was...shocking. But man, what a treat.
DLPM??
Don't Look Past Me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3TjT_GblFc see here if you're not familiar with the piece. It was to appear on I/W back in the day but it was left off)
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Setlist Scotty - Thanks for that insight. I always wondered why that song was dropped from their setlist. I hope they don't shy away from deep cuts completely.
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they included DLPM in the setlist for the last run of shows in 2017. He said he was super excited about including it and figured the fans would be eating it up. But he said that outside of a couple of diehards in each audience going completely nuts, the vast majority of the audience just sat/stood there with blank expressions on their faces. So they dropped it. I'm sure that was the same reason why they dropped TLF a little later on in that same tour leg (despite the fact that it is much more well known), and I know it was the reason TGD was also dropped from the first proper run of shows they did in North America in 2011.
Phew, I got to catch all of these songs before they were dropped from these tours. The Great Debate in particular looks to have been dropped immediately after my show in 2011 (Pittsburgh).
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I was happy to see TLF but was so bummed DLPM was dropped by the time they came to the east coast, its not a favorite song but it's a deep cut that would have been special to see. I'm happy I got to see them do hourglass that tour, it was a nice gesture for the final night. I really hope they don't abandon playing more rare songs though, even if its only for a few shows, those shows go down in history for those fans who get to see it as something more memorable than seeing TSCO for the 3rd time. And I say that after absolutely loving seeing that song last week.
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they included DLPM in the setlist for the last run of shows in 2017. He said he was super excited about including it and figured the fans would be eating it up. But he said that outside of a couple of diehards in each audience going completely nuts, the vast majority of the audience just sat/stood there with blank expressions on their faces. So they dropped it.
Well...IMO, DLPM isn't a very good song, and James's performance of it wasn't particularly good (at least not at the show I saw). I'm not sure why it would come as a surprise to anyone -- and especially not anyone in the band -- that very few people know these songs that were never "officially" released. Maybe the reaction would have been a little different if James had introduced it before they played it and explained what it was and why they were playing it. While DLPM might be well known here, I don't think this site is representative of DT's fan base as a whole. It's like making a physics joke at a meeting of physics department TAs and getting a great reaction and expecting the same joke to get the same reaction in a commencement speech for an entire college. Even a song like "To Live Forever," which got two official releases, isn't going to be really well known. I don't know how well the "Lie" single or Greatest Hit sold, but I imagine most folks who had bought all of their albums saw no need for either (I didn't buy either, although I did buy the remixed version of PMU on Itunes).
I am so pissed at myself for missing DLPM! I skipped that tour. Pretty sure they played it in LA right? lol
Yup. You didn't miss much (at least as far as that song goes -- the show as a whole was great).
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I'd like to see an all (or mostly) rarities DT set, but I'm entirely sure it won't happen anyway.
As much as we diehards would love that, it will *never* happen until MP returns (and I say that, not expecting him to).
I spoke with JP after the Milwaukee show, and we got to talking about a setlist I had e-mailed him as a joke that was full of "deep" cuts and rarities, which led to us talking about how they included DLPM in the setlist for the last run of shows in 2017. He said he was super excited about including it and figured the fans would be eating it up. But he said that outside of a couple of diehards in each audience going completely nuts, the vast majority of the audience just sat/stood there with blank expressions on their faces. So they dropped it. I'm sure that was the same reason why they dropped TLF a little later on in that same tour leg (despite the fact that it is much more well known), and I know it was the reason TGD was also dropped from the first proper run of shows they did in North America in 2011. I reminded him that it's OK for it to be that way, because there are the crazy diehards like us in every audience, few as we may be, that eat that stuff up and are the songs we live to hear them perform.
So for the time being, the best you can imagine getting would be one or two rarities in a show...that is until enough shows go by and JP opts to drop them in favor of something more popular. :P
Funny, DLPM and TGD are two of the three songs that have been played on tours I've seen them, along with Speak to Me, that got played but not at the show (or most likely) shows I went to. Really disappointed in not getting to hear those three, would love to, especially DLPM which I've always considered to be an awesome song.
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I get why the band would drop a song if that were the case, though. If the fans are really getting into every song, and then you play one and you get bored looks from most of the crowd, I get why they would be turned off by that and want to not play it anymore. Sure, it pleases the .0001% of the diehards who are there that want to hear it, but it's not worth it to have a nightly buzzkill in the set.
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I remember when they played DLPM in Oakland. There were like maybe 10 of us going bananas. Everyone else had no idea what they were playing. It was...shocking. But man, what a treat.
DLPM??
Don't Look Past Me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3TjT_GblFc see here if you're not familiar with the piece. It was to appear on I/W back in the day but it was left off)
Cool song! I have never heard it before. Parts of it sound kind of like the band Triumph, at least to me.. Can definitely tell it was from the I&W era.. :tup
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You spelled "Eve" and "Hollow Years" wrong.
You absolute psychopath
I've been really surprised by the less than enthusiastic response A Nightmare to Remember is getting from more than a few people ITT.
I think it's a great song. Great groove, beautiful lilting middle section, tells a little story...
I, for one, was very glad to have the opportunity to hear it live again. With the curtain drop, it was one of the best concert openers ever as far as I'm concerned...
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Scotty, thanks for pushing for the rare cuts. As long as JP knows that there is deep (albeit small) appreciation, there is always hope for the occasional rare gem. I give DT significant credit for creating some dynamic (albeit mostly static) sets in recent years, including DLPM, The Shattered Fortress, The Bigger Picture and Space Dye Vest.
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Is The Bigger Picture really such a deep cut? It's only like six years old
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I get why the band would drop a song if that were the case, though. If the fans are really getting into every song, and then you play one and you get bored looks from most of the crowd, I get why they would be turned off by that and want to not play it anymore. Sure, it pleases the .0001% of the diehards who are there that want to hear it, but it's not worth it to have a nightly buzzkill in the set.
I disagree. Given the fact that you're talking about one or two songs at most in a setlist of that nature, they should be willing to include them for those diehards. At the very least, it will introduce songs to the audience that they might never otherwise be made aware of. Had that been the attitude, then Another Won and Raise the Knife wouldn't have been on Score, and there's plenty of fans that discovered those songs because of that live release, if not having seen the songs in person. As long as the songs are properly introduced, it should be something that most fans (aside from the casual fans) will find of interest.
Even then, just because people sit/stand with blank expressions on their faces isn't necessarily a bad thing - that's pretty much going to be the general reaction of most people upon hearing a song they're not familiar with for the first time. Since they're not familiar with the song, they're concentrating on the song itself to discover it.
And for those who are genuinely not interested in hearing a rare cut they don't know, so what? How many fans use the typical ballad or instrument solo as an opportunity for a piss break? Why should playing a rare cut be any different?
Scotty, thanks for pushing for the rare cuts. As long as JP knows that there is deep (albeit small) appreciation, there is always hope for the occasional rare gem.
As a diehard who's seen as many shows as I have, you know I will. Funny thing - during that same conversation, JP even made a passing remark that it might be interesting if he had me write a future setlist. It goes without saying I'd jump at the chance, but I know he wasn't serious and that it'll never happen.
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Completely agree Scotty. I don't really have much to add, but *definitely* agree that it's not a bad thing if the audience is more static for a song or two. Some of them could be really enjoying it. For Don't Look Past Me, I do think it would have helped a lot for James to have introduced it first.
If they're not going to do non-album tracks for a while, I at least hope they'll continue to revisit songs that haven't been played in a while. Six Degrees definitely needs some representation next time around.
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I agree with KevShmev above. I'd like to see songs I know at a DT concert. I think many people would agree with me. The only exception I think would be if they are recording a live album and want to get something new out there to raise its popularity.
What's TLF?
I was at the Nashville show and it was absolutely incredible. The volume wasn't bad either; I was fully comfortable without earbuds. I was in the orchestra, too (though admittedly a bit off to the side).
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TLF=To Live Forever
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Very nice. Birthday song for Mike.
https://youtu.be/2GwjmvZoabI
Love how JM went to him and hugged him right after the song.
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I get why the band would drop a song if that were the case, though. If the fans are really getting into every song, and then you play one and you get bored looks from most of the crowd, I get why they would be turned off by that and want to not play it anymore. Sure, it pleases the .0001% of the diehards who are there that want to hear it, but it's not worth it to have a nightly buzzkill in the set.
I disagree. Given the fact that you're talking about one or two songs at most in a setlist of that nature, they should be willing to include them for those diehards. At the very least, it will introduce songs to the audience that they might never otherwise be made aware of. Had that been the attitude, then Another Won and Raise the Knife wouldn't have been on Score, and there's plenty of fans that discovered those songs because of that live release, if not having seen the songs in person. As long as the songs are properly introduced, it should be something that most fans (aside from the casual fans) will find of interest.
Even then, just because people sit/stand with blank expressions on their faces isn't necessarily a bad thing - that's pretty much going to be the general reaction of most people upon hearing a song they're not familiar with for the first time. Since they're not familiar with the song, they're concentrating on the song itself to discover it.
And for those who are genuinely not interested in hearing a rare cut they don't know, so what? How many fans use the typical ballad or instrument solo as an opportunity for a piss break? Why should playing a rare cut be any different?
Raise the Knife and Another Won were not played every night on a tour like Don't Look Past Me was at the beginning of the tour they played it. Big, big difference. If the band were doing a lot of rotations from show to show, then, yeah, I would say, "play a rare, non-album deep cut on occasion," but to play one that gets blank stares from almost everybody on a nightly basis? Nah. If the band is not feeling it, why should they keep playing it? When Mike Portnoy was in the band, did he ever include a rare, non-album deep cut for every show of a tour (like the band did with Don't Look Past Me, before it was dropped)?
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Very nice. Birthday song for Mike.
https://youtu.be/2GwjmvZoabI
Love how JM went to him and hugged him right after the song.
That was awesome
I get why the band would drop a song if that were the case, though. If the fans are really getting into every song, and then you play one and you get bored looks from most of the crowd, I get why they would be turned off by that and want to not play it anymore. Sure, it pleases the .0001% of the diehards who are there that want to hear it, but it's not worth it to have a nightly buzzkill in the set.
I disagree. Given the fact that you're talking about one or two songs at most in a setlist of that nature, they should be willing to include them for those diehards. At the very least, it will introduce songs to the audience that they might never otherwise be made aware of. Had that been the attitude, then Another Won and Raise the Knife wouldn't have been on Score, and there's plenty of fans that discovered those songs because of that live release, if not having seen the songs in person. As long as the songs are properly introduced, it should be something that most fans (aside from the casual fans) will find of interest.
Even then, just because people sit/stand with blank expressions on their faces isn't necessarily a bad thing - that's pretty much going to be the general reaction of most people upon hearing a song they're not familiar with for the first time. Since they're not familiar with the song, they're concentrating on the song itself to discover it.
And for those who are genuinely not interested in hearing a rare cut they don't know, so what? How many fans use the typical ballad or instrument solo as an opportunity for a piss break? Why should playing a rare cut be any different?
Raise the Knife and Another Won were not played every night on a tour like Don't Look Past Me was at the beginning of the tour they played it. Big, big difference. If the band were doing a lot of rotations from show to show, then, yeah, I would say, "play a rare, non-album deep cut on occasion," but to play one that gets blank stares from almost everybody on a nightly basis? Nah. If the band is not feeling it, why should they keep playing it? When Mike Portnoy was in the band, did he ever include a rare, non-album deep cut for every show of a tour (like the band did with Don't Look Past Me, before it was dropped)?
I am with Scotty because these are DT Evening With shows, there's more than enough time to play something less known. Even with blank stares. Bands play new music all the time to blank stares even the biggest of bands. While this example isn't a new song, it made sense with the setlist and theme of the night. So did TLF.
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I get why the band would drop a song if that were the case, though. If the fans are really getting into every song, and then you play one and you get bored looks from most of the crowd, I get why they would be turned off by that and want to not play it anymore. Sure, it pleases the .0001% of the diehards who are there that want to hear it, but it's not worth it to have a nightly buzzkill in the set.
This + is it a standard to correlate hardcore fandom with deep cuts? I consider myself a hardcore fan of DT, I know DLPM, CYE & TLF but I'm not that fond of any of them and have no craving to hear them live, unless this is based solely on the idea of some kind of kick that comes from being at the show and saying "hey I know this song and most of these people don't!".
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I should amend my stance to say that if the band is having a blast playing the song and want to keep playing it despite not getting a great reaction from fans, then, yeah, keep playing it, but from the way JP worded it, it sounds like the band was kinda bummed about the no reaction, and if it is hard for them to get "up" to play a song because of the non-reaction, then the performance might suffer a little and it is better to not play it.
That is why I never quibble about them playing songs like As I Am and The Spirit Carries On a lot, as they obviously love playing those songs, and the live crowds always go nuts for them.
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I think that's fair Kev, if the band isn't into it then there's no point. I guess, I would think the band would enjoy playing something different but if the reaction is truly that bad, I don't blame them from moving away, I just would hope it doesn't discourage them from trying again.
and lets be real, DLPM is a very very very deep cut. Is there any other song that would be less likey to be known by the general crowd? I almost feel like Raw Dog might have gotten a better reaction just because it's a newer more obscure song.
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I get why the band would drop a song if that were the case, though. If the fans are really getting into every song, and then you play one and you get bored looks from most of the crowd, I get why they would be turned off by that and want to not play it anymore. Sure, it pleases the .0001% of the diehards who are there that want to hear it, but it's not worth it to have a nightly buzzkill in the set.
[...]I know DLPM, CYE & TLF but I'm not that fond of any of them and have no craving to hear them live[...]
CME? ;D
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I think some of the songs that didn't make FII would also get blank stares from most.
I also agree with the earlier point that JLB doing a quick lead-in, telling the crowd, "hey, here is an obscure non-album track we've never played before," would have helped a lot, as I'll bet most probably thought it was just a song from an album they weren't familiar with. Fans might have perked up a bit more if they knew they were getting something that rare and special.
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I was stoked for them to play To Live Forever when I saw the I&W25 show. I had a feeling they would, b/c it's been a part of my concept of DT and I&W since the beginning. I got into them when Pull Me Under hit MTV, and very soon after bought the Live in Japan VHS, and TLF was on there. So I've known about it from the beginning of my fandom. When JP started the intro arpeggio at the show, I legit was all "YEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!"
I actually didn't know Don't Look Past Me b/c I don't have CotC :( But it came across my radar that they were playing it, so I made sure to familiarize myself with it ahead of time. I look at concerts like collecting live songs, so I'm glad to have it in my collection.
I missed the Octavarium tour proper, so I wouldn't have known Another Won (it was played at the show I would have attended in Cleveland), and would've been sad because if I'm not familiar with a song ahead of time, my live experience is diminished some b/c I don't know how to "listen" to the song in a way that maximizes its impact on me.
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I always just assumed TLF was a legit classic and that the majority of DT fans knew it.
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If the band performs for example fifteen songs in a live show, they might as well commit to performing at least two deep cuts every night for the hard core fans. It shouldn't be a big deal if most of the people aren't familiar with a song or two. Some of them might actually appreciate getting something special or even get introduced to a cool song they haven't heard before.
Some of my fondest memories from concerts are those surprise songs that bands rarely perform.
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Is The Bigger Picture really such a deep cut? It's only like six years old
No, I agree its not a deep cut, but I would classify it as a song that fans were pining for, and therefore credit the band for appealing to such fan cravings.
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I missed the Octavarium tour proper, so I wouldn't have known Another Won (it was played at the show I would have attended in Cleveland), and would've been sad because if I'm not familiar with a song ahead of time, my live experience is diminished some b/c I don't know how to "listen" to the song in a way that maximizes its impact on me.
I'm the complete opposite. If it's one of my favorite bands and they start playing something I'm not familiar with, I get more excited and pay even more attention to what it is that they're playing because it's new to me. That's exactly how I felt the first time I saw them (1993 summer tour) when they started playing Puppies on Acid before going into Take the Time, all of To Live Forever, the reworked intro to Status Seeker and Eve. Same thing has been true of all the other modifications/changes/additions they've made to old songs, playing new songs (or at least live instrumental jams) and covers whenever I've seen them live.
I always just assumed TLF was a legit classic and that the majority of DT fans knew it.
Perhaps for older fans, but judging by some of the discussion here, it doesn't seem to be the case for newer and casual fans who likely don't have the Live in Tokyo video or the Greatest Hit compilation.
Some of my fondest memories from concerts are those surprise songs that bands rarely perform.
Amen! One of my favorite DT experiences was when they played all of Rush's Necromancer. It wasn't something anyone could have foreseen them doing, and when they first started to play it, I thought they were starting to play Peruvian Skies. Only problem was that they had already played it earlier in the show! When I finally realized what song they were doing, I became so giddy with excitement!! Of course I was probably one of 10 people at the venue who had a clue as to what song they were playing, but man, I was riding so high from getting to see them perform such a rare and unusual cut from my second favorite band - and this despite the fact that Necromancer has never been a Rush song I rate highly. But DT did that song beautifully, and IMO, their version is superior to the original.
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I always just assumed TLF was a legit classic and that the majority of DT fans knew it.
Perhaps for older fans, but judging by some of the discussion here, it doesn't seem to be the case for newer and casual fans who likely don't have the Live in Tokyo video or the Greatest Hit compilation.
Sad! Love it so much. Will never understand how it was cut from I&W.
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Saw them at The Warner in DC a couple of nights ago. ANTR was fun, but a couple more cuts from D/T could have been used in their place.
That said, I liked the stage set up (except JP was partially blocked from my view on the guitar solo of TSCO). I was never a fan of 'Home' until I watched what Petrucci had to do that night. He also did a lot more BVs than normal. The sound was exceptional (still glad for my earplug usage 50% of the time). James sounded top notch, the band yet again put on a great show, and they appear to be having so much fun up there.
One downside: I can't focus on what each member is doing all the time. I love watching JPs guitar playing, but I know I have to watch JM, so I'll watch him for a bit, but I have to watch MM doing all this amazing stuff during the 'simplest' of parts, and then there is JR, ......
It's just not fair! :tup
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I always just assumed TLF was a legit classic and that the majority of DT fans knew it.
Perhaps for older fans, but judging by some of the discussion here, it doesn't seem to be the case for newer and casual fans who likely don't have the Live in Tokyo video or the Greatest Hit compilation.
Sad! Love it so much. Will never understand how it was cut from I&W.
DLPM and TLF were replaced with Another Day and Surrounded right? I think Surrounded is better than both of those songs, but Another Day is much weaker imo. To Live Forever could've fit perfectly after Pull Me Under on the tracklist.
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TLF is too reminiscent of U2 IMHO. Not one I would have liked.
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??? ???
I've been listening to To Live Forever for 25 years and have never once thought that it sounded like U2.
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One other question: It seems to me that this tour seems to be one which almost everyone here seems to enjoy (those who have attended it anyway), am I right?
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One other question: It seems to me that this tour seems to be one which almost everyone here seems to enjoy (those who have attended it anyway), am I right?
I enjoyed it, but I'm honestly disappointed with ANTR and ITPOE 1 being included over MM-era songs. The entire second set was an old album, so the first set should've been dedicated to ADTOE, DT12, TA (maybe a short medley), and D/T.
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One other question: It seems to me that this tour seems to be one which almost everyone here seems to enjoy (those who have attended it anyway), am I right?
I enjoyed it, but I'm honestly disappointed with ANTR and ITPOE 1 being included over MM-era songs. The entire second set was an old album, so the first set should've been dedicated to ADTOE, DT12, TA (maybe a short medley), and D/T.
What's most likely to happen is that they'll do more legs of the tour, focusing mostly on D/T and the back catalog as well. I guess we'll have to wait after their European festival dates to see where and what they'll play next.
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One other question: It seems to me that this tour seems to be one which almost everyone here seems to enjoy (those who have attended it anyway), am I right?
I enjoyed it, but I'm honestly disappointed with ANTR and ITPOE 1 being included over MM-era songs. The entire second set was an old album, so the first set should've been dedicated to ADTOE, DT12, TA (maybe a short medley), and D/T.
What's most likely to happen is that they'll do more legs of the tour, focusing mostly on D/T and the back catalog as well. I guess we'll have to wait after their European festival dates to see where and what they'll play next.
That's what I'm guessing. I hope they come back around to my neck of the woods.
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??? ???
I've been listening to To Live Forever for 25 years and have never once thought that it sounded like U2.
Maybe Max is referring to the section with the delay effect on the guitar? Many U2 songs from their mid '80s albums feature that sound heavily.
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??? ???
I've been listening to To Live Forever for 25 years and have never once thought that it sounded like U2.
Maybe Max is referring to the section with the delay effect on the guitar? Many U2 songs from their mid '80s albums feature that sound heavily.
I actually was yes.
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So my two oldest sons and I went to the concert in Nashville last Wednesday night....finally got back home a bit ago to be able to post about it. I will say that it was my favorite concert I've ever been to. Now, that's not saying a lot as I'm not like cramx or others here who have been to hundreds of concerts....but I've seen DT (7) times now, Neal Morse twice, Haken twice, Sons of Apollo...so, not a lot but enough.
I say it was my favorite for a couple reasons. One, the entire band sounded spot on....they were incredible. Note for note with one another....it was fun to watch. And James Labrie was awesome :metal I know he catches a ton of flack from people but seeing him live belting out notes that some are convinced he can't hit any longer was fun to watch. I had some questions about the opening set list and the song choices but after seeing/hearing it those questions are no longer there. Freaking loved the set! And, you should know....that although this was a seated theater from the opening note the entire crowd stood....and this may have been the most interactive crowd I've seen at a DT concert. Very lively and very in to it....was glad to be a part of it.
Second set 'SFAM' is why that concert sits at the top for me right now. It. Was. Incredible. From 'go' they were in the zone and played the :censored out of that album. Each one of them nailed their parts...you'd have thought they had the CD playing if not for the added 'chunkiness' and 'sound' of the live experience. I can't express just how great it was to see/hear that album played live as I didn't get a chance to see it back in the day.
But, the icing on the cake was after the concert as me and the boys were walking back to our van....I said to them "Let's go hang out by the tour buses and see if we get lucky and meet one or two of them". We had nowhere to be and We had spotted where the buses were parked earlier that day while walking around the venue and the city....so we headed over and just camped out a bit. It was around 10:30 or so and there was maybe another (10) people there with the same idea. We had small talk amongst us....and around 11:30 or so we noticed that a lot of the VIP pass people were exiting the stage door to the street. A security guard told us they were getting close to being done with the after show VIPs so they may be out soon.
Sure enough around 11:45 the first one to come out was Jordan. Someone went up to him rather quickly and attempted to shake his hand but he said 'Aw man...I can't shake your hand...I'm a bit sick." He was pulling luggage and he went straight to the bus....so, we were a bit bummed but understood since he was sick and just played a show....BUT...about a minute later he came back off the bus and asked if anyone wanted a picture or autograph!!
Of course!!! So, he took his time with the small group....me and the boys took a pic with him and thanked him a ton for the show and what not...he was very nice despite looking pretty tired. And, as he was finishing up with a couple people.....out of nowhere John Myung was walking towards the bus. He was so cool.. The boys and I happened to be in his path and has he approached us he says "Hey guys" and he extended his hand to shake mine! I shook it, asked if my sons and I could get a picture with him to which he said "Of course" and we took a quick pic....told him he sounded great and thanked him for his time. He thanked us for coming to the show and then did the same for the others there.
Then....Mike Mangini comes out. And man, that dude was hilarious!! First off, I think he may have talked to the group of us for a good 10 minutes...maybe 15....just funny and cracking us up. He spent a minute or two with just my sons and I which was CRAZY because well....it's Mike Mangini....and he was so kind and funny with me and the boys. It was so surreal. He took some pics and signed some stuff....honestly, he was just yucking it up and having a blast.
JP and James came out at the same time. Me and the boys got to JP first and it was just like the others.....he was so nice and kind....thanked us for coming....my kiddos complimented him a bit and he was gracious and we had some small talk. He thanked us for coming to the show and we got a picture with him and again, he did the same for everyone there.
Then James was just like Mike. Dude was working the dozen of us or so there like he was still on stage. Very nice, very funny....and just like with Mike...James spent a couple minutes just talking with me and my kiddos. He was great...such a nice guy. He took his time with everyone and eventually got on the bus and that was that.
The group of us all looked at one another and were in shock that just happened and were all on cloud 9. It was so cool. I mean, those guys had just played a three hour show....spent another hour with VIP pass people....then walk out to us. They could have easily said "Hey guys...thanks for coming to the show....we're really tired...can't sign or take pics right now....sorry." They could have easily done that and that would have been acceptable and understandable.
But they didn't, each and everyone of them gave us a real interaction and moment in time and for me....memories with my kiddos I'll never forget....they all were kind and nice and gracious. There's no other way to say it other than it was an incredible experience.
Here's the pics we got....funny enough I let my oldest pic what he wanted to wear and he chooses the 'Sons of Apollo' shirt :lol Ooops! :omg: None of them said anything and he did have a DT hat on so....anyway....
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Wow!!! What a great experience for you and your boys! congrats dude! Great pictures!
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^^That right there is what separates Dream Theater from every other band IMO. They’re over 30 years into their careers, having had experiences that most couldn’t even dream of, and after all of this time, they’re still humble and grateful towards their fans. It’s so awesome to see people who are so successful be so nice.
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So awesome Gary, saw your pictures before and was looking forward to hearing the story. That is so awesome, even with the SOA shirt. Makes those pictures pretty unique :lol
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So awesome Gary, saw your pictures before and was looking forward to hearing the story. That is so awesome, even with the SOA shirt. Makes those pictures pretty unique :lol
I probably should have made him change his shirt but oh well. :lol
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Saw them at The Warner in DC a couple of nights ago. ANTR was fun, but a couple more cuts from D/T could have been used in their place.
Don't disagree, but man did it bring down the house.
He also did a lot more BVs than normal.
BV?
The sound was exceptional (still glad for my earplug usage 50% of the time). James sounded top notch, the band yet again put on a great show
Saw them at the Tower Theater. Sounds stupid, but, this is the most metal I think they've ever sounded to me.
DLPM and TLF were replaced with Another Day and Surrounded right?
I remember hearing something to that effect.
To Live Forever could've fit perfectly after Pull Me Under on the tracklist.
How about after Metropolis? Nice cool down, and it goes into UAGM well. Don't have to replace anything.
??? ???
I've been listening to To Live Forever for 25 years and have never once thought that it sounded like U2.
I think either Petrucci or Portnoy (or both) have made the U2 comparison or said it was inspired by U2. But, even though some of the arpeggiated guitar stuff reminds me of The Edge, overall I agree with you.
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As I said the other day, great pics, Gary. Glad you and the kiddos had a blast!! :tup :tup
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Gary, the Myung pic is the best.
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Nice pics and story, man! :metal
And that's the closest we'll ever see DT to SOA :lol Just don't let your kids wear a D/T shirt for a MP concert, we all know how he reacts to that :P
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??? ???
I've been listening to To Live Forever for 25 years and have never once thought that it sounded like U2.
My recollection is that the band wrote the song after seeing Rattle and Hum, as a deliberate U2-type song.
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Very nice story gmillerdrake! Looks like your boys had a blast!
??? ???
I've been listening to To Live Forever for 25 years and have never once thought that it sounded like U2.
My recollection is that the band wrote the song after seeing Rattle and Hum, as a deliberate U2-type song.
That's pretty much it.
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I probably should have made him change his shirt but oh well. :lol
No way. The fact that the DT guys don't have any problem with that, or anything else MP-related, just shows you how much class and maturity they have and have always had since the split.
Cool story, bro.
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I probably should have made him change his shirt but oh well. :lol
No way. The fact that the DT guys don't have any problem with that, or anything else MP-related, just shows you how much class and maturity they have and have always had since the split.
Cool story, bro.
I was going to comment exactly that. I think that the guys probably appreciated a lot the fact that people as young as those kids are attending the band's shows, and are interested in progressive rock.
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Awesome story, man. I had the exact same impression when I met the guys in 2015. Myung was the only one that managed to "escape|, but the others were really nice and generous with their time.
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I can't help but think Gary was just using his kids as pawns. Dress them up in Dad's band t shirts. Wave at the band when the come to the bus..
Gary without the kids..the band is probably like..who's this nerd? :lol
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DLPM and TLF were replaced with Another Day and Surrounded right?
I remember hearing something to that effect.
Initially in Europe for the Images and Words and Beyond, they played The Gift of Music, A Life Left Behind, and Our New World. They quickly dropped ALLB and continued the rest of europe with the other two TA songs. When it came to the US leg of the tour, they dropped both TA songs in favor of DLPM and TLF. Eventually they dropped DLPM and kept TLF, and eventually dropped TLF and replaced it with TSCO. Another Day and Surrounded were already being played in the second set for I&W.
Personally, I'd love to see them bring back a three song part of TA.
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DLPM and TLF were replaced with Another Day and Surrounded right?
I remember hearing something to that effect.
Initially in Europe for the Images and Words and Beyond, they played The Gift of Music, A Life Left Behind, and Our New World. They quickly dropped ALLB and continued the rest of europe with the other two TA songs. When it came to the US leg of the tour, they dropped both TA songs in favor of DLPM and TLF. Eventually they dropped DLPM and kept TLF, and eventually dropped TLF and replaced it with TSCO. Another Day and Surrounded were already being played in the second set for I&W.
Personally, I'd love to see them bring back a three song part of TA.
I meant on the actual I&W album tracklist. Obviously, I didn't think they played the same song twice in the same show.
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That's awesome gmillergrake, something similar happened to me at the ADTOE tour!
So the VIP people see the band after the show? I always thought it was before.
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That's awesome gmillergrake, something similar happened to me at the ADTOE tour!
So the VIP people see the band after the show? I always thought it was before.
So did I. But, the same people I noticed leaving the Pre show meet and greet were exiting the stage door to the street after the show. One of them even gave my oldest son his VIP Distance over Time lanyard as he walked by us.
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DLPM and TLF were replaced with Another Day and Surrounded right?
I remember hearing something to that effect.
Initially in Europe for the Images and Words and Beyond, they played The Gift of Music, A Life Left Behind, and Our New World. They quickly dropped ALLB and continued the rest of europe with the other two TA songs. When it came to the US leg of the tour, they dropped both TA songs in favor of DLPM and TLF. Eventually they dropped DLPM and kept TLF, and eventually dropped TLF and replaced it with TSCO. Another Day and Surrounded were already being played in the second set for I&W.
Personally, I'd love to see them bring back a three song part of TA.
I meant on the actual I&W album tracklist. Obviously, I didn't think they played the same song twice in the same show.
oops, carry on :lol
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That's awesome gmillergrake, something similar happened to me at the ADTOE tour!
So the VIP people see the band after the show? I always thought it was before.
So did I. But, the same people I noticed leaving the Pre show meet and greet were exiting the stage door to the street after the show. One of them even gave my oldest son his VIP Distance over Time lanyard as he walked by us.
whaaaaaa! They meet the band before and after the show?! That's well worth the extra dough.
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Saw them last night and they were really, really great. James was on point as well as the rest of the band.
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That's awesome gmillergrake, something similar happened to me at the ADTOE tour!
So the VIP people see the band after the show? I always thought it was before.
So did I. But, the same people I noticed leaving the Pre show meet and greet were exiting the stage door to the street after the show. One of them even gave my oldest son his VIP Distance over Time lanyard as he walked by us.
whaaaaaa! They meet the band before and after the show?! That's well worth the extra dough.
Not entirely accurate. The VIP experience is before the show. The aftershow is separate, you can't buy that. You have to be invited, or know someone. However, it is not uncommon that some VIPs also have aftershow passes.
So, they are two separate groups, but sometimes have some overlap.
I was at the aftershow last night in Charlotte, but I did not have VIP stuff before the show.
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At intermission now, PBD sounds a-fuckin-mazing, my neck hurts heh
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At intermission now, PBD sounds a-fuckin-mazing, my neck hurts heh
Get ready to cry beautiful tears of joy. Scenes from my tear ducts.
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They're playing 30's and 40's music during the intermission, setting the mood I guess heh
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I just saw Scenes From A Memory live, all the way through, standing right in the front, occasionally leaning on the stage, this was a dream come true. Tomorrow I do it again, now I sleep.
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Home from Dallas show..what is there to say.. James was incredible...JP can make grown men cry.. Jordan truly is a Wizard.. JM and MM made the earth shake.. highlights... Barstool Warrior... ITPOE 1 ... Home DOE Spirit carries On .. Finally Free.. incredible ending... They are tight..Scenes was locked in..Loud and Clear.. gotta try to rest now ..ears rinnging
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I had never had a chance to see SFAM live in its entirety, and it is my second favorite album (close second behind Six Degrees). But I have played LSFNY a TON through the years. If they had done it exactly like they presented it back then, it still would have been cool. But I'm really glad they changed up the presentation. I got to see an album I really love, but with a slightly new twist. I thought it was fantastic.
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I was at the Dallas show, and it was incredible. James was amazing! The energy in the place was good during the first set, but holy shit did it go to 11 during Scenes! You can feel how loved that album is.
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Yep
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That's awesome!
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Yes sir, it was a good catch :)
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awesome :metal :metal
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There was a guy in my row that flipped over the seats in front of us to get one. I’m not even sure if he got it!
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There was a guy in my row that flipped over the seats in front of us to get one. I’m not even sure if he got it!
Meanwhile, a dipshit on the other side of the stage caught one and tossed it back at JP, JLB picked it up and tossed it back again.
I caught mine mid-air.
JLB teared up while singing Through Her Eyes and afterwards said its difficult for him to sing that song, he was wiping away actual tears, anybody else noticed or got a clue why?
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Because it's an incredible and emotional song and he has to go all in in order to sing it that way?
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JLB teared up while singing Through Her Eyes and afterwards said its difficult for him to sing that song, he was wiping away actual tears, anybody else noticed or got a clue why?
He dedicated it to his longtime friend that had passed away recently when they played it in St. Paul. Maybe that’s why.
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Here's a kick-ass review and photo gallery:
https://www.sonicperspectives.com/concert-reviews/dream-theater-april-2019/
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Notes from last night in Houston:
-- Holy fuck was it loud.
-- Agree with the poster that said that's about as "metal" as they've sounded. Which made this old fan very happy.
-- The "Beautiful Agony" part of ANTR was pretty sweet.
-- ITPOE is so much more fun live.
-- BW and PBD live are just sick. And PBD is not as high up on my d/t list, but still.
-- The unison at the end of "Fatal Tragedy", with Jordan (on the key-tar!) and John on the catwalk was utterly badass. Loved that our dudes got up there and rock star posed!
-- Through Her Eyes is as beautiful as it's ever been.
-- I never get tired of PMU. Was my gateway to my favorite band, so it always brings back great memories. And it's still in my personal Top 10 of all-time.
-- Holy fuck was it loud.
A lot of fun, and I can't wait to see them next time!!
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I was front and center Monday night in Dallas, and just wanted to echo what others are saying. It was an unforgettable concert, but James' performance was fantastic. He was on fire and sounded amazing. Of course the whole band was tight, but James really stood out and had complete command vocally. Excellent job Mr. LaBrie!
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Intermission in Austin, I'm on JP's side tonight. I love JMX but damn it's a lot more lively in JP land hehe
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I have just seen the clip with JP and JR on Facebook, that they have a different set for the european Festival Tour, which is logical, they can‘t play a normal set, I just hope, that they still play there normal set for the few headlining shows(like in Dresden, where I have tickets for) they will do.
Do you know anything about that, Bosk?
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I have just seen the clip with JP and JR on Facebook, that they have a different set for the european Festival Tour, which is logical, they can‘t play a normal set, I just hope, that they still play there normal set for the few headlining shows(like in Dresden, where I have tickets for) they will do.
Do you know anything about that, Bosk?
Same question ... Bosk? I got tickets for the Athens show not being a festival?
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From JLB's facebook:
Last North American show of Distance Over Time in Austin, Texas. Amazing crowd, thank you to everyone of our fans who made it out to these shows. See u in the fall for another North American trek. There are so many more places to hit.
Raaawwwwk on 🤘
:metal :metal :metal
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From JLB's facebook:
Last North American show of Distance Over Time in Austin, Texas. Amazing crowd, thank you to everyone of our fans who made it out to these shows. See u in the fall for another North American trek. There are so many more places to hit.
Raaawwwwk on 🤘
:metal :metal :metal
Great, I'm hoping they hit the midwest this time.
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From JLB's facebook:
Last North American show of Distance Over Time in Austin, Texas. Amazing crowd, thank you to everyone of our fans who made it out to these shows. See u in the fall for another North American trek. There are so many more places to hit.
Raaawwwwk on 🤘
:metal :metal :metal
Great, I'm hoping they hit the midwest this time.
That's good to hear, hopefully they come within 4 hours of Pittsburgh for the next leg...
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Nice :metal :metal
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Damn. Might have been one my top 3 DT gigs ever. Band was on fire last night in Austin. Did the meet and greet and won an after show pass from the DT-USA fan club gathering before the show (I won the trivia).
The gig itself was amazing. Never got to listen to SFAM in a live setting. I got the B setlist when I saw them in Phoenix back in 2000. Listeing to the full album just gave me chills and goosebumps everywhere. Really loved the new animations for SFAM. John's tone is out of this world. Although with all the guitar changes throughout the set, I felt like JP was selling Ernie Ball guitars and the guitars were saying "Buy me buy me". Every single guitar looked very nice. The screens and projections from both sets were stunning. I was hoping for more d/t material but James said they will be touring in the fall again.
The after show thing was good but it was a bummer that only Jordan and Mike showed up. It was the last show of the tour so its kind of understandable. Both were very friendly and talked to everyone. Mike is almost done with his solo album. He is waiting on something. Interestingly, I didn't know Mike uses hearing aids. Was kind of surprised when I saw that since he is like in his mid-50s.
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I've got some stories to tell of my shows but I wanna get home cause I don't like posting from my phone but this one can't wait :lol :
Me: I love what you did with the outro to Finally Free!
Mangini: It's literally horrible musically, but thank you.
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From JLB's facebook:
Last North American show of Distance Over Time in Austin, Texas. Amazing crowd, thank you to everyone of our fans who made it out to these shows. See u in the fall for another North American trek. There are so many more places to hit.
Raaawwwwk on 🤘
:metal :metal :meta
Great, I'm hoping they hit the midwest this time.
That's good to hear, hopefully they come within 4 hours of Pittsburgh for the next leg...
Bosk, since they probably won’t hit Reno again, do you think they would ever stop in Sacramento??
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I've got some stories to tell of my shows but I wanna get home cause I don't like posting from my phone but this one can't wait :lol :
Me: I love what you did with the outro to Finally Free!
Mangini: It's literally horrible musically, but thank you.
Where you at the after show?
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@geeeemo: Hard to say, but I'm not counting on it. I haven't asked because that isn't really a "band issue." It's an issue with tour booking and promotion, and I don't really know the people that handle that. But I get the sense that there isn't a huge market for them here. This isn't a very big city, and I'm not sure they could fill a moderate sized hall. And we don't really have anything that fits the size of venue they usually book that will book a metal show. I think they're content to just go with what has worked.
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I've got some stories to tell of my shows but I wanna get home cause I don't like posting from my phone but this one can't wait :lol :
Me: I love what you did with the outro to Finally Free!
Mangini: It's literally horrible musically, but thank you.
That's hilarious :lol
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I've got some stories to tell of my shows but I wanna get home cause I don't like posting from my phone but this one can't wait :lol :
Me: I love what you did with the outro to Finally Free!
Mangini: It's literally horrible musically, but thank you.
Where you at the after show?
Nope I was out by the buses getting consumed by mosquitoes heh, but I met some after show people there who told me only JR and MM showed up.
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Mangini, JLB & JR stopped to talk to the fans waiting outside, JP and JM walked directly to the bus, I can imagine how beat they are.
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@geeeemo: Hard to say, but I'm not counting on it. I haven't asked because that isn't really a "band issue." It's an issue with tour booking and promotion, and I don't really know the people that handle that. But I get the sense that there isn't a huge market for them here. This isn't a very big city, and I'm not sure they could fill a moderate sized hall. And we don't really have anything that fits the size of venue they usually book that will book a metal show. I think they're content to just go with what has worked.
I wondered if Sacramento had that type of venue..Guess I will be accumulating more Southwest points :D
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From JLB's facebook:
Last North American show of Distance Over Time in Austin, Texas. Amazing crowd, thank you to everyone of our fans who made it out to these shows. See u in the fall for another North American trek. There are so many more places to hit.
Raaawwwwk on 🤘
:metal :metal :metal
Sweet. Here's hoping they a) come to St Louis, and b) aren't playing all of Scenes anymore on that leg and play a lot more new stuff. Don't get me wrong, Scenes is one of my all-time favorite albums, but I want more new stuff. :metal :metal
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JLB mentioned it during the show, he said he looks forward to coming back in the fall and that he's not looking forward to the European festivals cause it stinks on stage at these festivals and "smells like kaka, it does".
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JLB mentioned it during the show, he said he looks forward to coming back in the fall and that he's not looking forward to the European festivals cause it stinks on stage at these festivals and "smells like kaka, it does".
Blabbermouth, is that you? :rollin
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:lol he said it man, it was pretty funny! He turned around and asked Mangini to back his statement but Mangini wasn't even listening so JLB turned to JR and JR held his hand up to his nose in agreement heh
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I don't know where to start with telling you about my experience with these shows so allow me to just go through the set list as a pragmatic way to go about it.
Intro: Love the music, where is that from? Wasn't False Awakening Suite written to sort of be their staple intro? I missed the last tour so I don't know when that idea got sacked. I prefer FAS and the animation sequence that came with it, but this new stuff is pretty good too.
Untethered Angel: Missed most of it on the Dallas show, as did dozens of other fans, venue fuck up. Saw it complete along with the intro in Austin. Sounds great live, an okay opener.
ANTR: I love what JLB did with the "day after day" section, even prefer it to the studio version.
Paralyzed: Another D/T track that works great live. I got it at both my shows and I was happy about it as I much prefer it to Fall into The Light
Barstool Warrior: What a great live vibe that track's got, sang my heart out on this one and JLB nailed it.
Enemies: Band on top of their game, it worked great at this spot in the setlist.
Pale Blue Dot: Best live sounding D/T song, easily the highlight of the first set. The parts that I felt doesn't flow well on the album version were just perfect in a live setting.
Intermission: The first set flew by. They played these 20's/30's swing music to set the mood for SFAM, very cool.
SFAM:
The room went wild as soon as the ticking started, excitement was through the roof! Again; everybody on top of their game. SFAM flew by even faster than the first set, it's hard to believe this was an "Evening With" show. The whole thing was wonderful but Fatal Tragedy, Home and The Dance of Eternity were something else, just orgasmic! I lost my voice during Home on the first night, on the second night I was struggling from the beginning :lol
At the very last instrumental section of Fatal Tragedy, which btw was the first thing I ever heard for DT and got me to check out the band out, JR gets his keytar and jams it out with JP at that upper level of the stage. At the Dallas show the keytar didn't work so I didn't get that cool visual until Austin.
I sang "I sense the need to try and clarify my memory, my quest begins today" as I've been listening to the official bootleg version almost exclusively for the last few years, I wasn't even thinking when I did it, until dude next to me asked where is that from heh
I thought Home would lack a bit without MP's back vocals, the only instance where I would miss MP's vocals, but it worked just fine with JP and the backing track. It was great.
There's no audible hint of the sex scene in Home, I don't know if this was an artistic choice or possibly cause JP is more conservative now than he was when SFAM came out.
The Dance of Eternity, geez.. nothing to do but gush in praise. Simply my favorite 4 consecutive minutes of Dream Theater, a song has sat in my top 10 and top 5 DT tracks since I heard it. I had never seen it live before, needless to say I was ecstatic. I couldn't hear the Metropolis Pt.1 sample that should play in the intro of TDOE, neither could I hear the "open your eyes Victoria" or the gun shot in Finally Free.
One Last Time was surprisingly a bigger sing along experience for the audience than The Spirit Carries On.
The little guitar solo that JP closes Finally Free with was awesome.
Overall it was such amazing experiences to see these shows. Gun to my head to bitch about something; I'd say I didn't like the new presentation of SFAM on the back drop, it gave it a comical edge and I'd always found SFAM to be very emotionally engaging in a melancholic way. I much prefer the videos with actors from LSFNY.
In Dallas I caught a JP pick mid-air. In Austin, another one landed in my hair ;D
At the Dallas show, we left directly after the show since I was dead tired from the 7 hour trip and limping already. Also Barto was my ride to the hotel and he had to work the next day so I didn't even consider waiting out for the band.
At the Austin show, I hung out with my wife by the buses. Not many people were there, one of the great benefits doing the shows on weekdays.
JM came out first, he walked directly to the bus with his head down so I knew he didn't feel like stopping and I didn't approach, just yelled out "Great show John, thank you", he looked up, smiled and waved then right on to the bus.
Around 45 minutes of mosquito bites later, Mr. Mangini appeared with a big smile on his face and walked directly in our direction, we had the exchange I mentioned a few posts ago. He had a marker hung around his neck and luckily I had brought the D/T booklet with me from the car, he signed it for me and we took a picture, he could not have been nicer.
10 minutes later THE MAN emerged! Mr. Labrie himself, also with a big smile, also walked directly to us, took out his marker and signed something for the couple standing with us, then without asking he reached and grabbed my D/T booklet from my hand and signed it hehe. A girl asked if she can look at his rings and asked him about one of them and he said "It's a pirate thing", she laughed asking "You like pirates?" so I intervened "You are in the presence of the pirate", he chuckled and said "There's your answer". Then he took a picture with them and was about to take a picture with us so I said "can I say a few things real quick?", he smiled and nodded, I said "Your stage presence and voice are as good as ever and I love your work on the new album, especially At Wit's End and Out of Reach", he thanked me and then I remembered what SystematicThought has posted here about JLB losing a friend recently. So I told him I was sorry for his loss and he seemed to have no idea what I was talking about, I told him I read on the forums that he mentioned something about his friend and I assumed it was why he teared up during Through Her Eyes, he told me "Oh yeah, honestly you get caught up on tour and things from real life slip your mind, but thank you very much", then we took a photo and I thanked him for stopped to talk to us then on to the bus he went.
A few minutes later I saw Maddy leaving, I was the only one to recognize him and yelled out "Great job Maddy, thank you!", he smiled and waived, wished us a good night and was on his way. Then JR's assistant came out, I don't know his name but he's been giving his cellphone to JR every night to take videos of the screaming crowd in the front row and I was prominent in these videos on both night heh, so I asked him where he posts them and he told me he doesn't.
About 30 minutes later, JP and JR emerged with a small posse. JP was acting like JM, head down and walking straight to the bus, so I knew not to bother him, a dude I had been chatting with, waiting with us, started going after him but I told him if he didn't look in our direction then he doesn't wanna be bothered. JR however looked at us and smiled so we went to him, took a picture, he miraculously recognized my wife from when we met him during the ADTOE tour cause they had an exchange about Egypt back then, I complimented his performance and thanked him for stopping to say hello and he signed my D/T booklet. Some other fans were being pushy and wanted to take multiple pictures and sign a couple of things, he was graceful but his bodyguard (I guess?) told them they need to wrap it up. Before he walked away I thanked him for his patience and he seemed to appreciate that. Some of these people seem to forget that the band doesn't have to talk to us outside the venue, we didn't pay for that part, so be a little fuckin considerate and brief ffs.
Thank you DT, it was well worth every penny spent and every mile driven.
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My trophies:
(https://i.ibb.co/bQ6TspM/20190502-131816.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Cmwgbx3)
I took very few pictures from the shows and they were all great. I'm not gonna flood you guys with them but I thought this one deserved to be shared ;D
(https://i.ibb.co/HHvrSNV/20190501-222023.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bKhr0HP)
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Those are good looking picks. On past tours I've never seen him throw out more than one or two, and it's always to a specific person. Now he seems to have gotten all Rick Nielsen with throwing picks out all over the place. The only one I've ever gotten was an unmarked pick that he just happened to have in his pocket.
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Yeah, I also think he's got these picks for fans only, he's still playing with a different pick with a special design like he told me and my brother in law at that boogie event in 2012 and Mrs. Petrucci had also mentioned here back then.
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Those are good looking picks. On past tours I've never seen him throw out more than one or two, and it's always to a specific person. Now he seems to have gotten all Rick Nielsen with throwing picks out all over the place. The only one I've ever gotten was an unmarked pick that he just happened to have in his pocket.
I have an unmarked pick from the I&W tour. Two I think.
Anyway, the Dallas show is up on Dime.
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I was also lucky to get a pick in Dallas. The ones he threw out were taped to his mic stand, and I could swear they were what he was using himself but not sure — I just think I remember him reaching for one and using it. It’s a smaller white Tortex pick with the D/T logo on one side and his sig on the other like in the picture above.
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Today is their first festival date in Mexico, I’m really curious to see the new/modified setlist they’ll play and how different it’ll be from the ones they’ll play in Europe next month.
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https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2019/autodromo-hermanos-rodriguez-mexico-city-mexico-5b909fb8.html
Very good setlist imo.
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huh.. I would have thought they get rid of IPOE or ANTR to keep Paralyzed and another SFAM song for the festivals. As I Am is an odd closer but I'll take it.
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Holy shit, this was probably of my favorite shows by Dream Theater. It was nuts watching them play such a big stage in front of 80k people.
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They’ve been playing PMU for the whole leg but decide not to play it on a festival? AIA again? No Paralyzed? Other than that, it looks very cool and it’s possible that they’ll play some of these songs on their next/not SFAM shows.
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Whoa, when did this happen? That's an awesome festival set. :metal
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I love seeing the return of Peruvian Skies, which has long been a favorite of mine, not to mention a killer live tune. :hat
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Sure, good festival set. I haven't looked but AIA has always been an opener, right? So in a few years they can close with UA :biggrin:
For me Peruvian Skies has always been one of those songs that I'm kinda meh about, but then if I actually listen to the song, I enjoy it.
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Heard a few mins from As I Am right before the Austin VIP session as we were lined up in the lobby.
Peruvian Skies is a very underrated song. It kicks ass in a live setting, specially that middle Metallica-esque section.
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They've actually closed with As I am before, I saw them do it in 2012. It works well as a closer.
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It was the encore on a ton of 2011/2012 shows.
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Catch a glimpse of how big it was:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOqH9Mg5PKQ
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For the record, as much as I'm basically done with the overplayed As I Am it worked wonders and I can see why they're including it. Everyone knows it, everyone loves it. Considering that most of any given festival's attendance is definitely not DT exclusive it makes sense.
Also, they did a cool Game of Thrones-inspired animation for that song which seems fitting for some reason :D
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Wow!
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Concert looks like it was awesome and if you went the day before you could have seen Paul Stanley's zipline malfunction during their set :lol
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For the record, as much as I'm basically done with the overplayed As I Am it worked wonders and I can see why they're including it. Everyone knows it, everyone loves it. Considering that most of any given festival's attendance is definitely not DT exclusive it makes sense.
Also, they did a cool Game of Thrones-inspired animation for that song which seems fitting for some reason :D
Did the go right into Lie after TDOE? That sounds like it'd be a cool transition.
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Catch a glimpse of how big it was:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOqH9Mg5PKQ
:omg: AWESOME, thanks for sharing!
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As someone else pointed out, rather weird to be playing PMU and then not do it at a festival. These three inclusions explain Mangini’s whole learning songs on the road thing. Honestly expected way more SFAM and no new inclusions for the festivals. Most of the album feels like itnwould work well at a festival so I’m not sure why they wanted to bring out PS, Lie and AIA but I’m sure they’ll enjoy the tour more this way.
Did Lie feature The Mirror reprise?
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Did the go right into Lie after TDOE? That sounds like it'd be a cool transition.
https://youtu.be/T74mCjX4DNw?t=350
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Did the go right into Lie after TDOE? That sounds like it'd be a cool transition.
https://youtu.be/T74mCjX4DNw?t=350
That was weird.
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In a written interview for a brazilian fan club, JLB said that DT will play all the Scenes when they come to South America. 2 good news at once!
https://www.facebook.com/335722947283379/posts/380817452773928?s=100000056893649&v=i&sfns=mo
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It really seems like a waste of that giant screen behind them to just show graphics and not the band. Sure, there were screens on the side, but even without those at smaller venues they should be showing the guys on the giant screen, at least sometimes.
Other than that, DT sounds great, I hope I can catch them on the next leg of North America.
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In a written interview for a brazilian fan club, JLB said that DT will play all the Scenes when they come to South America. 2 good news at once!
https://www.facebook.com/335722947283379/posts/380817452773928?s=100000056893649&v=i&sfns=mo
They only needed to ask him when :'(
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In a written interview for a brazilian fan club, JLB said that DT will play all the Scenes when they come to South America. 2 good news at once!
https://www.facebook.com/335722947283379/posts/380817452773928?s=100000056893649&v=i&sfns=mo
They only needed to ask him when :'(
I would imagine probably 2020 after they tour Europe again, based on what JP told me as I mentioned here:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53822.msg2549134#msg2549134
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Did anyone go or is going to any of the shows? Was that all that was played last night?
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I'm going to a show in Moscow, it's on Tuesday. I'll post the setlist. Hopefully what's on setlist.fm right now isn't the full setlist.
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I'm going to a show in Moscow, it's on Tuesday. I'll post the setlist. Hopefully what's on setlist.fm right now isn't the full setlist.
I saw some comments on the band’s FB and Instagram accounts asking what happened yesterday, because they had a 90 min slot and they only played a 50 min set.
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Our "festival" has two no-name bands from Russia I've never heard of and Dream Theater. I hope they'll be able to play their full set, because they're the only reason I'm there.
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Setlist for today seems to be slightly different than the one they played in Mexico. According to Setlist.fm they played AIA instead of ANTR and PMU is back as the encore, the rest of the songs are the same as Domination festival.
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Folks from St. Petersburg show said James had some sort of food poisoning before the show and looked like it too. He still powered through the show though, it seems. Hopefully he feels better today. I'm heading out to the show in a few hours. Probably won't be any merch left as I decided to skip both opening bands and arrive just in time for DT, but we'll see.
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Our "festival" has two no-name bands from Russia I've never heard of and Dream Theater. I hope they'll be able to play their full set, because they're the only reason I'm there.
What are the names of the bands?
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PuzzleWood and Reds'Cool.
(https://sun1-27.userapi.com/c853528/v853528953/5f485/bso29cw5VbQ.jpg)
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Okay, so honestly, the show was good. No PMU for us and AIA as an encore. The sound was a bit too loud but still pretty clear. JLB sounded alright too.
My only issue is this format is just too short for DT, in my opinion. The show was shorter than 90 minutes I think. I was just getting pumped with ITPOE pt. 1 - TDOE - Lie combo and there comes Pale Blue Dot and then the encore. Could've definitely used more for the price I paid for the ticket.
Also, I don't quite know what the reason is, but the ticket price dropped in half from what it was on the last day before the show. I would guess not enough tickets was sold—the venue was far from packed—but I obviously don't know the true reason for that.
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Probably because it's a festival with only DT. I don't think they are big enough draw and a festival could probably hold so many more GA tickets that they did a ticket dump to get people inside so they could spend money. They recently did this for a punk rock festival I went to, and it was the reason I went because tickets dropped so low on the secondary market because they started selling 4 packs for the price of 2 tickets
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Do you have to be 12 y/o to go?
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Do you have to be 12 y/o to go?
At least 12 y/o, yeah. It's that weird law in Russia that requires to put age requirements on almost all things. You might be able to see like 3+ or 6+ y/o for some cartoons in the theaters and whatnot.
It's actually curious it's 12+ for DT, usually it's 18+ for metal bands. My first gig was Blind Guardian in 2010 and it was 18+ and I was 17 and fuck I was afraid I won't be admitted. :lol
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Well those under 12 aren't going to be making up a whole lot more of the sales but if its 18+ only than yea I can see that having an impact.
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To be honest, I've never seen those rules enforced at all. It might say 18+ and it would scare dumbasses like me back then in 2010—I missed Sonata Arctica's The Days of Grays tour because of that—but no one actually checks IDs, as far as I noticed.
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In my opinion, and given the fact that there is another European leg coming (as far as I know), they should have limited their shows to festivals only.
I do not see any good point with this "not too short not too long format" with supporting acts, and I believe this will affect the attendance.
Personally, I have booked back in Feb or March for the Athens show in the 2nd of July and at that time the tour was announced as SFAM anniversary tour (evening with format). My booking included flight tickets and hotels. Surely, I was not expecting the playing of SFAM in festivals but the way the tour was announced on DT website (dates of the shows listed under a title in Bold "SFAM anniversary tour"), give a strong impression that the shows that will be played in cities that are not part of festivals, such as Russia and Athens, are part of the SFAM tour or at least has the "evening with" format.
If I knew that this would be the case, I would not have booked and would have waited for the 2nd leg.
Anyway, that is the "somehow sad" story of my 600 EUR investment in DT and hope that in the future tours' announcements are more transparent.
PS. The addition of AAL might ease my pain a little; I have started to listen to their material and they are good.
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There was even an interview at one Russian website where Jordan says they intend to play the full SFAM set in Moscow. Maybe that was in reference to the second European leg, I don't know.
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Moscow 2019 (Full Сoncert)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bchalGgfsx8
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Awesome!! :metal
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Moscow 2019 (Full Сoncert)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bchalGgfsx8
:metal :metal :metal
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I think James sings pretty amazing despite his food accident before the show.
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In my opinion, and given the fact that there is another European leg coming (as far as I know), they should have limited their shows to festivals only.
I do not see any good point with this "not too short not too long format" with supporting acts, and I believe this will affect the attendance.
Personally, I have booked back in Feb or March for the Athens show in the 2nd of July and at that time the tour was announced as SFAM anniversary tour (evening with format). My booking included flight tickets and hotels. Surely, I was not expecting the playing of SFAM in festivals but the way the tour was announced on DT website (dates of the shows listed under a title in Bold "SFAM anniversary tour"), give a strong impression that the shows that will be played in cities that are not part of festivals, such as Russia and Athens, are part of the SFAM tour or at least has the "evening with" format.
If I knew that this would be the case, I would not have booked and would have waited for the 2nd leg.
Anyway, that is the "somehow sad" story of my 600 EUR investment in DT and hope that in the future tours' announcements are more transparent.
PS. The addition of AAL might ease my pain a little; I have started to listen to their material and they are good.
Same here:
Bought my tickets for Oberhausen which was sold as a Dream Theater when I decided to go. I've seen the time-schedule yesterday and it turns out to be the 90-minutes show because it is part of some festival with a few bands I've never heard of.
I would have loved to see AAL again but they are not in the package for Oberhausen.
Might be my foul but I would have waited for the next tour if I'd knew this before as SFAM was the reason I was looking forward to this show.
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Though I understand why they wouldn’t go out with an evening with formula even for non festival (well, real festivals) gigs, this summer run was quite a mess communication wise. Whether were the promotores who chosed to sell it as the same format as the first American leg (lots of this dates were promoted this way, even the one i’ll go in a month for which i’ve spent 72€ just to find out i’m going to waste 5 hours whatching bands I don’t know/care for) it has generated a lot of confusion and quite some discontent. Is it going to affect future attendances? I don’t know, DT fans are known for their consistency. But yeah, it kinda sucks.
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Yeah it sucks, here in greece the promos specifically said about the SFAM set and i'm sure people will be very disappointed when they understand that DT will play for like 90 minutes.
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@Bosk, hope the band is aware of this controversy and the discontent of the affected fans.
Yeah it sucks, here in greece the promos specifically said about the SFAM set and i'm sure people will be very disappointed when they understand that DT will play for like 90 minutes.
The good side of my Athens show, is that MP was included in the line-up by the promoters! And he personally intervened :lol
https://twitter.com/MikePortnoy/status/1138903815493685253
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What the hell? They've chosen to do a 90 minute set instead of the entire SFAM. I can't seem to find any solid reason for this and it's a huge disappointment. Especially since the show will also have like 6 support acts. I'm almost reconsidering going. Huge letdown. I absolutely detest supporting acts as a concept.
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I've been chatting with a friend about this today and it's really odd that this wasn't communicated with the venues in a clear way. The band mentioned in some interviews that none of the summer dates will feature SFAM in its entirety, but for some reason, this was not apparent to those that booked the band. I wonder if someone in the management dropped the ball on this one. Do you have an insight into this, bosk?
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What's certain is that many people are extremely disappointed and the repeating theme is that if people did know the length of the set, wouldn't probably even get a ticket.
Especially people who are travelling to a neighboring country which means their expenses are already going to be high.
And i would think that the band would consider that they haven't played for many years in some places (it's been 8 years since they came to Greece) and try to customize their sets a bit to make up for it. But i guess that's not the case anymore.
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It's unfortunate that some people will go in with expectations to get a 3 hour show and be disappointed. I've tried to communicate with fans that this summer tour would be festival shows only with no SFAM since "forever", but...
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Do you have an insight into this, bosk?
No idea. What was communicated? As far as I know, the band had said fairly early on that the summer European dates were going to be festivals and that the SFAM anniversary would be later. Was something different communicated?
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Apparently, some venues promoted the summer shows as SFAM anniversary. I wonder if the fans were mislead by the promoters or promoters by the band management.
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Do you have an insight into this, bosk?
No idea. What was communicated? As far as I know, the band had said fairly early on that the summer European dates were going to be festivals and that the SFAM anniversary would be later. Was something different communicated?
I thought it was understood as well but that one promoter was using MP's picture so I wouldn't be surprised if the promoters for some of these shows were lazy and locally promoted it incorrectly.
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Do you have an insight into this, bosk?
No idea. What was communicated? As far as I know, the band had said fairly early on that the summer European dates were going to be festivals and that the SFAM anniversary would be later. Was something different communicated?
I thought it was understood as well but that one promoter was using MP's picture so I wouldn't be surprised if the promoters for some of these shows were lazy and locally promoted it incorrectly.
I wonder, when promoting the shows, if the promoters used some subtle wording trick to get people to buy tickets. Something like "Dream Theater whom are celebrating the 20th anniversary of SFAM" and that got people to think they'll play it during this current leg.
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For the Oberhausen gig it was for sure promoted as an SFAM tour.
https://www.festivalstalker.de/2019/02/28/dream-theater-distance-over-time-tour/ (https://www.festivalstalker.de/2019/02/28/dream-theater-distance-over-time-tour/)]
`Zuletzt haben Dream Theater noch einige Tourdaten für Deutschland veröffentlicht (Die Tour wird außerdem den 20. Geburtstag von “Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory” feiern, indem die Band das gesamte Album aufführen wird)`
I am glad I waited to get tickets asvit is a long drive from my place as the announcement changed over time.
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If this is an error that spans multiple countries and multiple promoters, it can't be all them, right? Must be someone on DT's camp that messed up? This is beyond disappointing, still can't get over how bummed out I am.
The promoter here suddenly brought 5 other bands/performers. Might as well just push the DT show early so we can all go home at a reasonable time. At first it was advertised as Dream Theater. Now the posters online say "Dream Festival" with Dream Theater and the other bands.
http://www.ndk.bg/event/dream-theater-7251-1
The show will be lengthy, because along with new tracks, the band is expected to play all the legendary Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory 'on the occasion of the 20th anniversary of its release. This really will be an unforgettable evening you do not want to miss!
https://lifestyle.bg/art/dream-theater-otnovo-v-sofiya.html
Organizers warn that the show will be long lasting because, in addition to their new Dream Theater album, all songs from Metropolis Pt have to be played. 2 of 1999 on its 20th anniversary
This is a bit more vague language but i think that's because these are news outlets and the venue's website, but the page of the ogranizer here still states that in certainty.
http://www.radiotangra.com/en/news/read/32753.html
The band will also celebrate 20 years of ‘Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory’ by performing the album in ITS ENTIRETY on the tour! It’s going to be a night you won’t want to miss!
And this is the new press release by the organizer here - http://www.radiotangra.com/en/news/read/33818.html
Notice the change in poster and heading - a "special" 90 minute set.
Google translate cos I'm lazy:
Despite the initial expectations that DREAM THEATER, along with several new songs, will be played on this legendary 'Metropolis Pt'. 2 (see Facebook event made by the group itself), their concert agent told us last night (June 11th) that the musicians eventually decided to present a special 90-minute festival program with songs from different moments of their glorious history.
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For the Oberhausen gig it was for sure promoted as an SFAM tour.
https://www.festivalstalker.de/2019/02/28/dream-theater-distance-over-time-tour/ (https://www.festivalstalker.de/2019/02/28/dream-theater-distance-over-time-tour/)]
`Zuletzt haben Dream Theater noch einige Tourdaten für Deutschland veröffentlicht (Die Tour wird außerdem den 20. Geburtstag von “Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes from a Memory” feiern, indem die Band das gesamte Album aufführen wird)`
I am glad I waited to get tickets asvit is a long drive from my place as the announcement changed over time.
Thanks! You just confirmed what I was thinking but couldn't confirm for myself.
I got my tickets and probably will enjoy the show but at this point if feels a bit like a ripoff to pay for just 90 minutes and a few supportacts I don't really care for.
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This rush for unknown bands to open seems like a move due to low sales, but I honestly didn't ever expect DT to be performing SFAM this run in Europe. Were these shows advertised as "Evening with" or always as a festival?
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Dream Theater: An Evening With Unknown Bands
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:lol
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Hi people, Italian fan here.
Just like others have said, our local promoters at first were advertising this summer tour as "celebrating 20 years of Scenes from a Memory". The band's website made no mention of the "specially curated festival set" or whatever it says now.
While it seemed strange to me that they could play it in its entirety in a festival setting, not all tour dates are festival appearances. The one I'm going to, which is very expensive because it will take place in an ancient Roman amphiteater, doesn't even seem to feature a support act. So it seemed only natural to me that it would be longer than a festival gig. I understand that it can be difficult to switch from "An Evening With..." to a 10-song set from night to night, but they could at least add PMU and one or two songs from Scenes to give something more to the people who attend their non-festival gigs.
To sum things up, this will be my first time seeing them after 15 years of being a fan (I live in a part of Italy where international bands rarely tour), the tickets were as expensive as those for a day in a festival, and they're probably going to play only 10 songs. So... meh?
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10$ says all this happened cause the promoters just went ahead and used the poster for the U.S. tour that says "SFAM 20th anniversary celebration" without bothering to research what the fuck that means. But I still say it's on the DT team to communicate that better from the beginning, make a new poster and send it out.
Kinda reminds me of the European ADTOE tour when some promoters used posters that featured Portnoy with the band.
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The problem is if you pay 80€ for a ticket like me in Dresden and it is not a festival, you expect a full set for your money
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Wow I'm sorry that some of you have spent so much on what you thought was a SFAM show, or at least a headlining show. I remember hearing that the festival shows would not have SFAM played in it's entirety, but I did wonder about the headline shows. Either way, I would have assumed, like others here have, that if it was billed as a headlining show that you'd get a full length set, whether it included Scenes or not. Venues adding on new bands at the last minute is disappointing.
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I don't understand the complaints. It should be a no brainer about DT not playing Scenes at these festival shows. Even if they headline, the time is limited at the venues in a festival setting. I wouldn't be disappointed at all, I would rather hear more d/t songs and a mix from their catalog.
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I don't understand the complaints. It should be a no brainer about DT not playing Scenes at these festival shows. Even if they headline, the time is limited at the venues in a festival setting. I wouldn't be disappointed at all, I would rather hear more d/t songs and a mix from their catalog.
I agree with this, usually festival times are pretty limited so it's either play all of scenes or play a mix of songs.
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I don't understand the complaints. It should be a no brainer about DT not playing Scenes at these festival shows. Even if they headline, the time is limited at the venues in a festival setting. I wouldn't be disappointed at all, I would rather hear more d/t songs and a mix from their catalog.
Nobody’s complaining about the festival shows.
The issue is with (allegedly) headlining gigs which were promoted as part as SFAM anniversary tour and then turn out to be some kind of festival format (Dream Fest) some of these with good/great opening bands (in my case Tesseract and Haken) but others with unknown local bands, and in all cases DT set consist at best in 90 minutes.
So the question is: why to pay for something that is different than what was promoted as an headline gig, but cost as a festival where in fact is DT + supporting acts (local bands)?!?
I’m quite curious to see the reaction from the crowd when in Verona LaBrie will announce that they’ll come back soon with the full show.
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90 minutes is still a headline gig, if they were advertised as "evening with" then I'd understand more. It does sound like this was promoted poorly in the local areas.
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What I can say is that the band is aware, and that that info about these being "SFAM anniversary shows" did NOT come from within the DT organization.
EDIT: In case people don't see the other thread:
Directly from the band:
The band understands that some of the shows on this recent leg were mistakenly billed as "SFAM 20th Anniversary" shows (for a very short time, which has since been corrected). Please understand that that information did not come from the band, but was apparently a miscommunication issue somewhere farther down the chain. As most of you know, SFAM alone will take up an entire set, which means it can only be played in an "evening with" format, and not at festival shows or shows with opening bands. We are sorry if anyone was misled, but we hope you enjoyed these very special shows nonetheless. We know we sure enjoyed playing them! We hope to see you all again soon!
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Does anyone know if the Hellfest show was broadcasted this time? It would be nice to see a pro footage from this tour with all the new songs played :tup
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Does anyone know if the Hellfest show was broadcasted this time? It would be nice to see a pro footage from this tour with all the new songs played :tup
Yeah that would be great!
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Does anyone know if the Hellfest show was broadcasted this time? It would be nice to see a pro footage from this tour with all the new songs played :tup
I'm currently watching the Hellfest live stream (Within Temptation is on :metal) here's the link:
https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/089122-001-A/hellfest-2019-le-livestream/?fbclid=IwAR0DehuLEFYIUkTMoe7E5sffdfNBa1JtuQFqcsyrgKyNkLqsdCQBES1VrgA (https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/089122-001-A/hellfest-2019-le-livestream/?fbclid=IwAR0DehuLEFYIUkTMoe7E5sffdfNBa1JtuQFqcsyrgKyNkLqsdCQBES1VrgA)
There's a list of bands that are being streamed, Dream Theater is not on the list.
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DT show was yesterday. Maybe it was streamed at the site then?
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DT show was yesterday. Maybe it was streamed at the site then?
it wasn't (don't know why but it wasn't)
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Oh well...thanks!
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DT show was yesterday. Maybe it was streamed at the site then?
it wasn't (don't know why but it wasn't)
Not every band is streamed. DT was not listed, reason why could be anything. Sucks though, it's fun watching these live streams since these festivals don't exist here.
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I saw the concert in Sweden. Liked the festival area and Animals as Leader and TesseracT was really cool as support. But one thing bothered me.
The sound during the DT concert was quite bad. Of all (~10) concerts I seen with DT I can't remember being this disappointed with the sound. I stood next to the mix-tower so I expected something better. And TesseracT actually sounded good. Basically of all bands DT sounded the worst. Someone else noticed this during either the Swedish show or at other locations? Basically the keyboard was non-existing. I barely heard the piano during the break in Barstool Warrior before the guitar. James vocals was extremely dry without any reverb which kinda reminded me of the Live at Luna Park mix. It wasnt very balanced so everything sounded a bit messy. This is quite something that is common at festivals from my experience, but strange that DT for me had the worst.
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I saw the concert in Sweden. Liked the festival area and Animals as Leader and TesseracT was really cool as support.
Were there any other opening acts at your show? Perhaps Andy McKee, Freak Kitchen and perhaps others?
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https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2019/musikhuset-aarhus-denmark-13916901.html?fbclid=IwAR29WyXqCnYn1UBdAzE0cA0F0zdr4hfmtf0IUjAUN1BNjPmE_roxFOfS-tY
guys!!!! fake or not? to many hours without edit!!!!
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https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2019/musikhuset-aarhus-denmark-13916901.html?fbclid=IwAR29WyXqCnYn1UBdAzE0cA0F0zdr4hfmtf0IUjAUN1BNjPmE_roxFOfS-tY
guys!!!! fake or not? to many hours without edit!!!!
Probably fake.
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Now it looks like every other set list. Whatever was there was fake. :lol
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If they play an instrumental in a festival set I'm gonna be pissed :lol It's a huge let down that At Wit's End is not part of the songs performed live. All in all, supremely disappointing setlist in the last 6-7 shows.
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Pettor that sucks to hear about the sound being bad. This was probably the best DT has ever sounded to my ears.
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It's a huge let down that At Wit's End is not part of the songs performed live.
It really does boggle the mind that the tour is now over 3 months old and that song has yet to be played. I know, I know, "they will play it eventually," but I cannot ever remember a DT tour where a song that was easily the most popular or two from the new album was not played this deep into a tour.
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I am assuming they are saving it for next tour leg. Songs I expect next tour are At Wits End, S2N and Surrender to Reason. Maybe we will get out of reach as well :angel: ::)
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It's a huge let down that At Wit's End is not part of the songs performed live.
It really does boggle the mind that the tour is now over 3 months old and that song has yet to be played. I know, I know, "they will play it eventually," but I cannot ever remember a DT tour where a song that was easily the most popular or two from the new album was not played this deep into a tour.
You can blame the SFAM anniversary thing for that.
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I actually don't get how anyone could have thought that playing it was going to be a realistic possibility.
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But why would it be out of question? It's an epic song that both the band and the fans love. Maybe they're limited by the current tour concept, but once SFAM is dropped out or there comes a time to switch around some songs from the new album, I would be surprised if they didn't end up playing it.
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Eventually, yes. But for this last tour cycle, it was practically a given that it would not be played. It was out of the question just due to set length and constraints after doing SFAM and the three promo singles from the new album. They were definitely going to play the three singles. They were definitely going to play Barstool Warrior and Pale Blue Dot. Those 5 songs from the new album don't leave much time at all from the other 12 studio albums that are not D/T or SFAM. There was just no way AWE was going to be played. And although I'm hoping for it next tour leg, I wouldn't even consider it a lock for that either given the other songs they want to play.
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So have they announced anything about the next tour leg yet?
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Eventually, yes. But for this last tour cycle, it was practically a given that it would not be played. It was out of the question just due to set length and constraints after doing SFAM and the three promo singles from the new album. They were definitely going to play the three singles. They were definitely going to play Barstool Warrior and Pale Blue Dot. Those 5 songs from the new album don't leave much time at all from the other 12 studio albums that are not D/T or SFAM. There was just no way AWE was going to be played. And although I'm hoping for it next tour leg, I wouldn't even consider it a lock for that either given the other songs they want to play.
Why were they definitely playing PBD and BW?
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It's criminal that At Wit's End is not played in my opinion, i would take it over PBD at any given time.
Also, A Nightmare To Remember and ITPOE take like half of the setlist, so i guess they could be swapped for more songs.
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Eventually, yes. But for this last tour cycle, it was practically a given that it would not be played. It was out of the question just due to set length and constraints after doing SFAM and the three promo singles from the new album. They were definitely going to play the three singles. They were definitely going to play Barstool Warrior and Pale Blue Dot. Those 5 songs from the new album don't leave much time at all from the other 12 studio albums that are not D/T or SFAM. There was just no way AWE was going to be played. And although I'm hoping for it next tour leg, I wouldn't even consider it a lock for that either given the other songs they want to play.
Obviously without giving anything away... do you know some of the songs they want to play on the next leg?
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Falling Into Infinity in its entirety. Or so I wish.
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Pettor that sucks to hear about the sound being bad. This was probably the best DT has ever sounded to my ears.
It's quite fine actually, festivals are quite hit and miss for me. I have had so many wonderful DT concerts where the sound was perfect so I am happy about that :D I remember the Fourth Wall tour sounding perfect, but that was inside an all that.
But also very interesting that you thought it was the best that DT has sounded. I was actually thinking something like this could be the case. First of all, if everyone had the same experience as me a lot of people would be complaining at this point I think. Maybe I was standing at a location where the sound would just not be that great. But you did see the Swedish concert?
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In regards to PBD, it's a better choice that AWE imo (I do like AWE more). First of all for the limited time they had the choices was pretty much the best possible? With FITL, BW and PBD you get a bit of everything basically and a lot of awesome live moments. I would skip UA but well I get it. However it's not a great opener, ITPOE would be many times better. Otherwise you had a bit of everything and PBD is just a great crowd pleaser live and great closer. Also just egoistically I don't want to hear something as good as AWE in a festival tour, I want the real deal when that one is finally being played.
BTW, I did like the festival thingy since it was fun and the support was good, but damn is it a limited DT experience. I have been thinking a lot about that. Compared to The Fourth Wall tour (which is maybe my favorite concert ever) it's just not close. Limited time, sound was so so, nothing interesting going on with the stage, no screens, not the same atmosphere (people sitting down drinking beer and talking instead of joining the concert, also that damn golden circle thingy. I love festivals but DT doesn't come of as a festival band for me.
Personal opinion and I want to still argue the festival was fun, just don't expect the same thing.
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Hasn't it kind of historically been a given that they wouldn't necessarily play all songs from a given album on that album's inaugural tour? I definitely remember that being the case for BCASL and DT. In those cases, it was sometimes years after the initial tour that we heard the other songs. Heck, for both those albums it has been years and there are still songs we haven't heard live.
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^Correct.
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Hasn't it kind of historically been a given that they wouldn't necessarily play all songs from a given album on that album's inaugural tour? I definitely remember that being the case for BCASL and DT. In those cases, it was sometimes years after the initial tour that we heard the other songs. Heck, for both those albums it has been years and there are still songs we haven't heard live.
Yea, it's 100% not a given and at this point essentially 100% that they won't play the entire album throughout the first tour. Having said that, they have before, just not since MM joined. They played all of SC during that tour (not at once) but I saw every track out of the three shows I went to (and I was lucky enough to be at the one and only where they played Repentance).
I actually don't get how anyone could have thought that playing it was going to be a realistic possibility.
Well, is there any history of them not playing the fan favorite? AWE seems to be the fan favorite from the album over PBD and BW (I thought there was a poll here that I am struggling to find where it was rated the highest). Obviously with SFAM they weren't going to play all the longer songs from the new album, but I don't think it was out of line to think they would play AWE especially with ANTR ending up being in the setlist.
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I imagine they had their setlist figured out before fans started reacting to the album.
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Well, is there any history of them not playing the fan favorite? AWE seems to be the fan favorite from the album over PBD and BW (I thought there was a poll here that I am struggling to find where it was rated the highest). Obviously with SFAM they weren't going to play all the longer songs from the new album, but I don't think it was out of line to think they would play AWE especially with ANTR ending up being in the setlist.
That's not the right question. Even if they did have some history of trying to play the "fan favorite" songs from each new album on its inaugural tour, there was no "fan favorite" before the album even dropped when the set lists were being created. But, again, if anyone paid even passing attention to which songs the band was most excited about, they hyped BW and PBD (and, to a lesser degree, Room 137) nonstop. It was obvious that, aside from the singles, those songs were going to be played, which would edge out S2N and AWE.
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Well, is there any history of them not playing the fan favorite? AWE seems to be the fan favorite from the album over PBD and BW (I thought there was a poll here that I am struggling to find where it was rated the highest). Obviously with SFAM they weren't going to play all the longer songs from the new album, but I don't think it was out of line to think they would play AWE especially with ANTR ending up being in the setlist.
That's not the right question. Even if they did have some history of trying to play the "fan favorite" songs from each new album on its inaugural tour, there was no "fan favorite" before the album even dropped when the set lists were being created. But, again, if anyone paid even passing attention to which songs the band was most excited about, they hyped BW and PBD (and, to a lesser degree, Room 137) nonstop. It was obvious that, aside from the singles, those songs were going to be played, which would edge out S2N and AWE.
I'm also skeptical that there is any consensus about what "the fan favorite" is. To suggest that AWE is "the fan favorite" -- the exclusion of every other song on the album -- seems to me to be highly spurious. It's not my favorite.
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So coming back from yesterday's show in Athens, Greece, it was a good experience. Setlist pretty much the same, as expected.
To be honest that is one of the few things i miss about Portnoy, given the fact that the band hasn't been here for 8 years, one would expect 1-2 more songs just for the sake of it.
Anyway, the new songs sound great live, even though at points James seemed to struggle a little bit in FITL and BW, but it definitely sounds like these songs were arranged and written in a "live" mindset.
I wish we get to see the band in a full "evening with" format, unfortunately it's difficult due to location and the fact that their production is expensive.
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Yeah, so the setlist was as expected. The support act that DT brought was really unpleasant to listen to and the sound for them was really high. There were sound issues during the first 2 songs for DT too, the band was too low, James was too high and it felt like it had only highs in the EQ but after that they kind of fixed it, but overall I did not enjoy the sound as much as the last time I saw them.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2019/ndk-hall-1-sofia-bulgaria-5391570d.html
The highlight for me was definitely Peruvian Skies and while I appreciate seeing songs like ITPOE and ANR live for the first time, they are not my favourites and overall I did not care much for half of the setlist (having an instrumental there is still a huge mistake, imo, unless James really needs the break on this tour), so it was really an underwhelming show for me. Especially considering that until recently I was expecting an Evening With... show. For those who had no such hopes, I assume the show was mostly really good. But for a 90-minute set, it felt rushed. I'll definitely pay more attention whenever DT come again, I'm not gonna take days off, travel and pay for the stay and so on for a 90-minute set again.
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I get some people were disappointed about not seeing SFAM in full, but at the festival I saw them at (Download, in the UK - a proper festival) I thought the setlist was great and worked really well for that setting, giving a strong focus on their heavier edge.
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Good lord Peruvian Skies and The Dance of Eternity? Blech.
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Do you agree with me that after all those years, the band is currently having its "moment in the sun" in terms of exposure, popularity and success?
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Good lord Peruvian Skies and The Dance of Eternity? Blech.
I would love to get those.
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Do you agree with me that after all those years, the band is currently having its "moment in the sun" in terms of exposure, popularity and success?
Are they also afraid of facing the unknown?
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Good lord Peruvian Skies and The Dance of Eternity? Blech.
I would love to get those.
TDOE, yes.
Peruvian Skies, blech.
Do you agree with me that after all those years, the band is currently having its "moment in the sun" in terms of exposure, popularity and success?
Not sure what "all those years" means, but DT's real "moment in the sun" happened in the early 90s. They had a brief foray into the mainstream and then slipped back into the relative obscurity of prog metal stardom (an arena in which they've pretty much been the undisputed kings for the last couple decades.
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Good lord Peruvian Skies and The Dance of Eternity? Blech.
I would love to get those.
TDOE, yes.
Peruvian Skies, blech.
Swap that for me, I'd love to see Peruvian Skies, still haven't out of my 18 or so shows I've seen. TDOE I've seen enough. It's a spectacle to see so I think it's a cool inclusion, but I've seen it enough.
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I always feel Octavarium tour was their "moment in the sun" since it was in a quite large arena, pretty much sold out, and even going around Stockholm there were signs on billboards etc that they would play. Could be many factors and Sweden doesn't represent the main popularity, but damn that was nice 😁
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I always feel Octavarium tour was their "moment in the sun" since it was in a quite large arena, pretty much sold out, and even going around Stockholm there were signs on billboards etc that they would play. Could be many factors and Sweden doesn't represent the main popularity, but damn that was nice 😁
You mean "going around Stockholm Syndrome"... that what was going on during the Octavarium tour :lol
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Saw them last Saturday in Warsaw. 90 min setlist. Not my favorite. I've seen all the songs on the 7 previous shows I've been to (besides the DOT material ofc).
It was a good one. I've seen them doing better as well as worse shows. The band was very good, the mix was great (maybe a touch too loud). I enjoyed the sh#$ out of the new songs. Really, they work great in a live setting. James was ok for his current standards. Had good moments as well as bad ones. But you know what? When you're in the 1st row seeing your favorite band it doesn't really matter if the vocalist is a bit flat or if the drummer missed one 32nd note. It's the energy and great emotions that count.
Hope to see them on "An Evening With" show in January/February with a full SFAM set as JLB announced at the end of the show...
...and they better play At Wit's End.
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You know, I can kinda see why they didn't play At Wits End. If people think The Glass Prison Arpeggios are tough, I believe the intro to At Wits Ends are even tougher. Its like, ITPOE PT.1 verse section with TGP speed.
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There's nothing impossible in that intro. There are way more challenging parts in their catalogue (TGP arpeggios alternate picked i.e.) Besides, it's JP, he'll manage.
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Yeah, Glass Prison is tougher for sure. At Wits End is fun to play and to listen to, and it is challenging but not as difficult to play as Glass Prison (Which I still struggle with).
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I see the US tour dates are starting to pop up on the website!!...... :metal
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I see the US tour dates are starting to pop up on the website!!...... :metal
October!
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:metal :tup
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Ooo....That might be the date I'll likely attend.
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I guess only a matter of time before the full leg announcement, looking forward to it :metal
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I see the US tour dates are starting to pop up on the website!!...... :metal
Only two so far, Arizona and California. Hopefully the Pacific Northwest gets added to the list this time around. :chill
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I clicked the link for Bands in Town, its not up anymore. I wanted to be notified when tickets on sale.
I guess only a matter of time before the full leg announcement, looking forward to it :metal
Yup. End of month maybe or sooner.
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I wish the California date(s) were going to be later in the tour. They'd have to be doing something I really wanna see to get me to buy a ticket this time around. And if the tour is going to start on this side of the country there's no way to know what the show'll be like in time to make plans to go.
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Pacific Northwest
??? You mean, like, Northern California?
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They seem to start tours on the west coast a lot.
Not a complaint, just an observation.
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Pacific Northwest
??? You mean, like, Northern California?
I think he means Washington,/Oregon area, maybe?
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Right...those are towns in Northern California, right?
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I can't tell if you're joking or not
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Right...those are towns in Northern California, right?
That would be Seattle to you Bosk, home of the SEAHAWKS!!! :biggrin:
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Right...those are towns in Northern California, right?
Well yeah, because all the rejects from CA move up here and bring their crappy politics with them, it basically is northern CA. :yarr
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I just came accross this short video of the band thanking their German fans for getting Distance Over Time to #1 on the Offizielle Deutsche Charts: https://youtu.be/33SkK2yQtFw
I checked and didn't see the video posted, so I figured I'd share it here - yet another reminder of how classy and humble these men are.
(For anyone interested: until now, the band's highest position on the German charts was #3 with Black Clouds and Silver Linings and also A Dramatic Turn of Events.)
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I can't tell if you're joking or not
I can't tell if you are
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Attended the gig in Winterbach, Germany yesterday. No surprises concerning the setlist, exactly the same as pretty much every show of the current European tour. Sound was a tad too "bassy" and the keys were mixed way to far into the background. Very glad though that JLB had his "good voice day". Even more, at some point between songs he announced DT's return to Europe in Jan/Feb 2020 and was joking with JP whether they intend to do something special then. JP responded with the main riff of "Overture 1928" :metal ;D So the promised SFAM in its entirety is pretty sure to be caught up on in the Old World as well.
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Fellow South American DT fans, I’ve seen dates pop up for Chile and Brazil so far (reported by local media outlets, no official DT statement yet). I guess we’ll have an official announcement pretty soon about the full SA leg in December. Fingers crossed for Peru :eek
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Fellow South American DT fans, I’ve seen dates pop up for Chile and Brazil so far (reported by local media outlets, no official DT statement yet). I guess we’ll have an official announcement pretty soon about the full SA leg in December. Fingers crossed for Peru :eek
Someone started a separate thread about the South American dates with official looking artwork, and those dates are up on the band's website.
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Attended the gig in Winterbach, Germany yesterday. No surprises concerning the setlist, exactly the same as pretty much every show of the current European tour. Sound was a tad too "bassy" and the keys were mixed way to far into the background. Very glad though that JLB had his "good voice day". Even more, at some point between songs he announced DT's return to Europe in Jan/Feb 2020 and was joking with JP whether they intend to do something special then. JP responded with the main riff of "Overture 1928" :metal ;D So the promised SFAM in its entirety is pretty sure to be caught up on in the Old World as well.
Thanks for the info! I can second this.
During the Hungarian stop of the current festival tour (on the 25th) James told us that they will come back soon and play SFAM in its entirety! :D :metal
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Anyone do the pre-order tickets for the Fall NA leg? I haven't gotten my tickets yet and i'm just curious if anyone else has.
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I don't know where you purchased yours, but I bought my ticket through sound rink and all their tickets are Will Call pick-up (At least for the venue I'm going to).
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I don't know where you purchased yours, but I bought my ticket through sound rink and all their tickets are Will Call pick-up (At least for the venue I'm going to).
Yep I went through Sound Rink but it doesn't say anything about will call.
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This is from Sound Rink "VIP Packages and Tickets Question" Page.
Q: Can I receive digital (electronic) tickets?
A: Unfortunately we do not offer digital or electronic tickets at this time. Unless otherwise stated, all tickets purchased through Sound Rink are will call only.
Q: Can my tickets be shipped to me?
A: Unless otherwise stated (i.e. ticketing page states tickets are to be shipped), all tickets purchased through Sound Rink, are "will call pick-up only" and cannot be shipped to you. Any extra costs such as shipping cannot be added onto an already purchased VIP package or ticket.
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Finally, the band's visit to Argentina has been confirmed. They'll be playing in December, on Friday 13, at a soon-to-open new arena (called Buenos Aires Arena).
https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1164539817788620800
The band itself states that their concert in Buenos Aires will be "one of our biggest shows of the year", and that they "simply cannot wait for this one!". :huh:
Our new president will take office a couple of days before the show. I hope the situation in the streets is calm that week, so that the band/crew can enjoy their short visit.
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Finally, the band's visit to Argentina has been confirmed. They'll be playing in December, on Friday 13, at a soon-to-open new arena (called Buenos Aires Arena).
https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1164539817788620800
The band itself states that their concert in Buenos Aires will be "one of our biggest shows of the year", and that they "simply cannot wait for this one!". :huh:
Our new president will take office a couple of days before the show. I hope the situation in the streets is calm that week, so that the band/crew can enjoy their short visit.
Como leí en uno de los comentarios en Instagram, el video suena a que fue grabado por el bananero :rollin
Seriously, though, I'm jealous of you guys, Peru won't have DT live this time either :'(
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Como leí en uno de los comentarios en Instagram, el video suena a que fue grabado por el bananero :rollin
I had forgotten about him. :biggrin:
He's the guy who did that 'Dirty Harry Potter' video, isn't he?
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DT’s instagram has posted an 11 day countdown with Bandsintown.com. The tour doesn’t start in 11 days, so it should be something else? Maybe the European tour dates? :huh:
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DT’s instagram has posted an 11 day countdown with Bandsintown.com. The tour doesn’t start in 11 days, so it should be something else? Maybe the European tour dates? :huh:
Fingers crossed for that, I'm ready to take a week off in the winter and travel to see the band. :metal
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DT’s instagram has posted an 11 day countdown with Bandsintown.com. The tour doesn’t start in 11 days, so it should be something else? Maybe the European tour dates? :huh:
right now, I'm guessing it will be these yes
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Well, I decided to go to the Mesa show instead of Tucson. Got my show and plane tickets. Just need to get my hotel.
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Is it possible that they will open the shows with S2N on this next leg? Or is it more likely that Untethered Angel remains?
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I'd be surprised if it's not Untethered still.
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Is it possible that they will open the shows with S2N on this next leg?
It's possible.
Or is it more likely that Untethered Angel remains?
It's possible.
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::)
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Is it possible that they will open the shows with S2N on this next leg?
It's possible.
Or is it more likely that Untethered Angel remains?
It's possible.
DTF: dealing only in certainty since 2007.
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"How To Be Concise."
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"How To Be Concise."
1. Omit needless words.
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I mean...
Anything is possible.
They could open with Miley Cyrus's "Wrecking Ball"
Complete with James swinging on a wrecking ball. He upgraded from a forklift to a crane.
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"How To Be Concise."
1. Omit needless words.
(https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/highaerials36/hefdaddy42lol.jpg)
EDIT: By the way, what's the deal with Photobucket watermarking everything? ???
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I was told that I was using too much bandwidth to stay on their free version, so they were going to start doing that to me.
You didn't get that email?
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I mean...
Anything is possible.
They could open with Miley Cyrus's "Wrecking Ball"
Complete with James swinging on a wrecking ball. He upgraded from a forklift to a crane.
Please let this happen!
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Hasn't it kind of historically been a given that they wouldn't necessarily play all songs from a given album on that album's inaugural tour? I definitely remember that being the case for BCASL and DT. In those cases, it was sometimes years after the initial tour that we heard the other songs. Heck, for both those albums it has been years and there are still songs we haven't heard live.
You’re probably right for the most part but I was at the opening show of the Train Of Thought tour in Manchester and they played the whole TOT album from start to finish. I think that was the entire first set before the interval. I think they may have played the whole of ADTOE on that tour, not all in one show but all songs were played at some point. In fact weren’t they all on the Luna Park live dvd? Makes more sense at that time though with the new drummer who wasn’t familiar with the back catalogue.
Put me down as someone who’d love to see AWE on this tour, it seems to me to be the fan favourite and is the big emotional centrepiece of the album for me. Not sure what they have been playing but I definitely want them to keep Pale Blue Dot as well though. Would take AWE over Fall Into The Light every time and, if you take out the weird post ending bit, it’s not that long of a song. If they only did AWE, BSW and PBD, I could live with that but I’d also happily see them do the whole thing although I get why SFAM kind of prevents that.
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Hasn't it kind of historically been a given that they wouldn't necessarily play all songs from a given album on that album's inaugural tour? I definitely remember that being the case for BCASL and DT. In those cases, it was sometimes years after the initial tour that we heard the other songs. Heck, for both those albums it has been years and there are still songs we haven't heard live.
You’re probably right for the most part but I was at the opening show of the Train Of Thought tour in Manchester and they played the whole TOT album from start to finish. I think that was the entire first set before the interval. I think they may have played the whole of ADTOE on that tour, not all in one show but all songs were played at some point. In fact weren’t they all on the Luna Park live dvd? Makes more sense at that time though with the new drummer who wasn’t familiar with the back catalogue.
Put me down as someone who’d love to see AWE on this tour, it seems to me to be the fan favourite and is the big emotional centrepiece of the album for me. Not sure what they have been playing but I definitely want them to keep Pale Blue Dot as well though. Would take AWE over Fall Into The Light every time and, if you take out the weird post ending bit, it’s not that long of a song. If they only did AWE, BSW and PBD, I could live with that but I’d also happily see them do the whole thing although I get why SFAM kind of prevents that.
yes they were, (and I can't be happier about that) and yes, I would want them to keep PBD, even for the DT15 album cycle (unless that album would turn out to be better than ADTOE and DT12 combined, in which case: keep PBD and the entire DT15 and whatever is playable from DT12 and ADTOE)
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Just a few hours...
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I'm looking forward to getting up in the morning, checking the set list, comments, maybe a Youtube video... The usual routine. :metal
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Yeah. Hope some few changes for the setlist. Viper King as the encore😄
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Yeah. Hope some few changes for the setlist. Viper King as the encore😄
Honestly, that would be pretty cool.
I know the changes will be minor, but I might wait the 2 weeks for my show (hoping for a surprise) on October 11th :metal
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Viper King as the encore😄
Hmm.
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Yeah. Hope some few changes for the setlist. Viper King as the encore😄
That would be pretty cool! Unexpected and a good plain old rock and roll song.
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Yeah. Hope some few changes for the setlist. Viper King as the encore
Please. No. I still stand by AWE.
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Anyone knows how many hours until it starts? :corn
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Yes.
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Yes.
You lawyer, you!
Anyone knows how many hours until it starts? :corn
8:00 p.m. eastern daylight time, which I believe is an hour ahead of Peru.
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SET LIST SPOILERS...
...will likely be posted later tonight.
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....to look or not to look. Nov 1 is a long way off..... :-\
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Yes.
:lol :facepalm:
Anyone knows how many hours until it starts? :corn
8:00 p.m. eastern daylight time, which I believe is an hour ahead of Peru.
:tup
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Although I wish I could be there for the opening date of this leg, Kentucky is just too far away for me
to even consider it being a realistic possibility.
We are all undoubtedly waiting with baited breath to see what the set list will look like for this leg. Obviously,
it is a given that SFAM will be played, along with some stuff from D/T. But as I have said, we also know that
there will be a couple of other changes to the set as well. Yes, I know what those changes are. Yes, I am confident
some of you will be blown away. But that's all I can say for now.
Enjoy the show, all of you who are there! Make sure to post your impressions. I am also curious about whether large
numbers of people who have already seen the show will travel to other markets to see it on this leg--especially long
distance travelers.
Anyhow, the clues may seem obscure, but they are real. It's just a question of whether you can see them. Enjoy. :tup
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I see what you did there ;)
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;) I also know what is being subbed out. And I'm curious about whether parts of the set will be restructured. I have some theories...
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It's started already, hasn't it?!
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Yes, it should have.
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;) I also know what is being subbed out. And I'm curious about whether parts of the set will be restructured. I have some theories...
Hopefully they change the encore...
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This is speculation (I don't know the song order), but I'm guessing PBD gets moved to the encore spot.
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I will travel to other markets if this is a rotating setlist featuring songs that didn't appear in the last leg. Already committed to Riverside, and El Cajon is a serious possibility.
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I am also curious about whether large
numbers of people who have already seen the show will travel to other markets to see it on this leg--especially long
distance travelers.
My hubby just went back to work at United Airlines... So i asked him if we could travel to London for that show - and yes we are!!! :metal
I have traveled to Oakland, LA and Wisconsin, my home is Reno so there also. I saw this concert 2x already. I am a newish fan and want to get in as many as I can...and I have taken several different family members at the various locations where they live - doing my best to share ;D
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Still no updates online :'(
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Bosk says Kentucky is too far away... Could Kentucky be... Out of Reach?
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Way to come through for us all Louisville... :facepalm:
I gotta say that Palace Theatre looks gorgeous from the pictures, though
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Bosk says Kentucky is too far away... Could Kentucky be... Out of Reach?
Well, I could decode the message for you. But I'll leave it to others to see who figured it out.
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https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2019/louisville-palace-theatre-louisville-ky-239c2823.html
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Ok.
At Wit's End for an encore? I'll take it but surprised they're doing a new song for an encore.
Also I hope they keep Paralyzed in. They were rotating that one and I saw them on a non-paralyzed night.
Kinda bummed that everything else is the same. I was hoping we'd get all the DoT songs we didnt get last leg but at least the ones they're keeping in are also kickass.
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Nothing like closing a concert and sending everyone home with a song about a rape victim and the struggle to have a normal relationship afterwards.
I like it though, I wish I could see it live. I wonder how it ends in the live setting
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Makes sense to keep set 1 the same since these are new locations. Not enough change to travel to see them again, though hopefully they play the encore on a future tour (btw PBD should be the encore, and AWE close out the first set)
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Well happy with the encore. :metal. The songs from the first setlist are played hundreds of times and all the songs have i heard live. Maybe i should just see SFAM then :)
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Interesting........
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See ya in Canton all.....row b!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nothing like closing a concert and sending everyone home with a song about a rape victim and the struggle to have a normal relationship afterwards.
The songs from the first setlist are played hundreds of times and all the songs have i heard live. Maybe i should just see SFAM then :)
Eeeesh and I thought Tool fans were bad... :P
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Well I was hoping for ANTR to be swapped out for more songs from non-SFAM and non-DOT albums but I will still be happy with the setlist, especially with AWE being included now. I personally feel like AWE and PBD should be switched though.
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Just got my ticket for the 2nd London show. Good to see they are playing At Wit's End now. Really hope they play it at the show.
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Looking forward to listen to wits end live versjon. :hefdaddy Hopefully someone filmed
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I hope they keep that set and don’t mix things up for the two London shows (well I’m only going to the first night so don’t really care about the second one!). Really want to hear At Wits End live and see how that guitar solo ends. Some of the stuff in the fade out is incredible and slightly annoys me that it fades out just as Petrucci is doing some amazing stuff, have a similar issue with The Best Of Times and Take The Time.
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Would have loved to have seen ANTR take a seat for a different song of similar length.
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Set list improved 👍
One more song (also never or rarely played live or A New Begginning ;D) in the first set and it would be perfect!
But, great setlist!
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So is the only change that they swapped the encore?
I bet we get a little bit of rotation from night to night.
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So is the only change that they swapped the encore?
I bet we get a little bit of rotation from night to night.
They’ll most likely rotate Paralyzed and FITL as they did on the previous US run.
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I hope that we will get both those tunes on the dvd.
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So...this is exactly the same set list I saw back in April but with Paralyzed instead of FITL (which they rotated on the first leg) and AWE swapped in for PMU. Definitely won't be going out to Riverside on a Monday or traveling to the show in Arizona for that.
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Yeah, that's great about AWE, but other than that, the setlist is the same. They're not playing up here anyway.
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No videos yet. Photo ban again? :smiley:
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I hope that we will get both those tunes on the dvd.
I would guess so, seeing as they will film both London concerts, and given that they may implement a rotation... (or bosk may correct me)
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Would be killer if they swapped in ITPOE Pt2. It would be awesome to get a profilmed version of that song with better audio quality than Chaos in Motion.
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I was kind of hoping Peruvian Skies would make it to the US setlist.
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I still say that the biggest problem with the setlist is... SFAM. But pretty cool that lots of people are getting to see it performed live in full :tup
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Maybe they will take the Paralyzed position in the set and rotate through all the festival songs?
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ANTR and ITPOE.......again? Six months ago they were played. What about something different for those of us who saw the last USA leg.
25 minutes that could have had 2-4 other tracks performed. And...such a short first set.
I'll enjoy it next week, but damn disappointed.
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I'll enjoy ANTR and ITPOE Pt. 1 again.
But, This is what the first leg should've been.
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Maybe they will take the Paralyzed position in the set and rotate through all the festival songs?
I was definitely hoping those festival songs would sneak into the first set in replacement of ANTR, but I was also hoping ANTR would pop back up for the Euro dates when they record the DVD.
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ANtR needs to go on the shelf and collect dust.
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There's no one part of ANTR that I don't like. I think it's really cool, actually. But it's just too long. I feel like it could accomplish the same effect with 5 less minutes.
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All this hate for Nightmare is depressing.
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There's no one part of ANTR that I don't like. I think it's really cool, actually. But it's just too long. I feel like it could accomplish the same effect with 5 less minutes.
"ANTR" could be substituted with the titles of more than a few of DT songs spanning ToT-BCaSL.
It's not a bad song, I enjoyed seeing it live myself with MP in the band. It just needs to go on the shelf for a while, especially with limited time due to the show committing so much time to 1) the new album and 2) Scenes.
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The trade off for ANTR is ITPOE, I love that song live... they should keep it in the set (but PBD is the new best live) only thought now is pls rotate through a lot of songs in London for the live album.
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ANTR serves its purpose. I get the feeling DT (as of late) likes a head banger/high energy song for the second track on these album supporting tours. Along for the Ride tour had “Shattered Fortress”, DToE tour had “6:00”. They haven’t played it in awhile, unlike As I Am, Dark Eternal, Constant Motion, and it’s fairly easy on James Labrie’s voice. It also has the added benefit of being a long heavy song that isn’t penned by Portnoy or a part of the 12-Step Suite.
I like the song, but felt it was a bit lengthy for the #2 spot. The crowd was still a bit restless. If I were to swap it out with something I’d probably play Panic Attack which ticks all the same boxes with a shorter runtime.
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That was awesome. :)
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I'm glad Nightmare is getting a bunch of recognition this year. BCASL hasn't been well represented on live releases, and I think there's FINALLY a chance we might get this song recorded. Very happy for that.
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It'so sad that there is still no video yet.
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It'so sad that there is still no video yet.
Could be photo ban or nobody showed up😉
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Nightmare is a great song and a refreshing addition to the set list, given that it hasn't been performed in 10 years.
Also, there are plenty of really long songs that rarely get played just because of their length. That's a very unfortunate reason to exclude a song from live performances. That's why playing ANTR now makes for example Octavarium's return to the set at some point not that improbable.
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ANTR was played every night on their last tour here six months ago........
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ANTR was played every night on their last tour here six months ago........
This is another leg of the same tour playing places they haven't already visited. No real reason to make changes.
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It'so sad that there is still no video yet.
Could be photo ban or nobody showed up😉
Just now getting around to it . . .
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ANTR was played every night on their last tour here six months ago........
No kidding? :omg: :biggrin:
I understand that people wanted some changes in two different legs on the same tour, but still, I think it's worthy that such a great underrepresented epic has a stable spot in the set list for the entire tour. Hopefully they won't drop it next year once they hit Europe.
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Would be really cool to have it properly recorded at the London shows, but I agree that it takes up a lot of setlist space. I’m hoping that they do a considerably different set each night in London and that we get all the songs performed, similar to what they did for LALP.
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I loved seeing ANTR and ITPoE, a couple of my favorites that I haven't had a chance to see live yet. The audience was a little flat when they first started playing ITPoE, which was unexpected. I thought people would go crazy. Sometimes it can be a bit difficult to figure out which song it is so maybe that's it?
Being a "Fall into the Light" setlist was great too, as that opening riff is my ringtone.
During intermission the music was from the 1920's era and the background changed. Really set the mood for Scenes. This full album was something else I hadn't seen live so it was a real treat. It flowed so well and felt very much like the full story it is. The new graphics were good and helped with the overall feel. This may have been mentioned before, but at one point there was scenes from a cemetary and the headstones had the names of rock stars, like Burton, Bowie, Zappa etc. Pretty cool! The audiance certainly noticed too as they would cheer at various levels for each name. Speaking of that, during Barstool Warrior the video clip of a shot of whiskey sure got a big cheer.
Then there was the encore. I peeked so I knew it was coming and was the best song of the night IMO. Just such an amazing composition with great dynamics and depth. REALLY enjoyed that one! Of course the ending on the studio version lends itself very well to end it anyway you want when performing it live. I tried to get a video of just the ending, but didn't do such a good job. But you get the idea. It did cut off at the end, but JP just extended out that last note - if I remember correctly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF3QlhXC7oA&feature=youtu.be
I'll put a couple more up. Sorry, no full songs, just clips. I honestly didn't want to spend all my time trying to capture the whole song - too busy havin' fun.
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Man...At Wit's End seems to have been AMAZING live!!!
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https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2019/murat-theatre-indianapolis-in-39c21eb.html
Looks like they are rotating Fall Into the Light with Paralyzed. That's a bit frustrating. Even though I love FIT and every other song on the album, I already heard it in Chicago and I'm going to be bummed if they play it again over paralyzed. The definite downside to a rotating setlist. That's also why I never got to hear out cry or beneath the surface.
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One more thing . . . sort of a PSA
If you decide to bring your girl to a Dream Theater concert, don't do it cold without any preparation. You REALLY need to set her expectations.
The guy in front of me brought his girlfriend and you could plainly see just from her body language (slouching, not moving) that she was BORED out of her mind. We all stood for the whole concert but she sat down early into the first set. He kept reaching over and rubbing her back, like "sorry, babe, I know . . ." and he did that quite a bit. On the other hand, he was one of the most "into it" people I saw. Throwing his arms up, singing with passion, think he was doing the "James claw hand" thing. So at least he had fun :lol
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I was at the Indy show last night, and security was very aggressive about shutting down people taking video. There were a few people in front of me that got kicked out because they kept taking video.
Other than that, it was a killer show! They were clearly having fun on stage, especially Mangini. First set was decent, wish they would have played all of ITPOE. The new material came across really strong live. SFAM was killer. It brought me back to when the album was first released and how much I listened to it back then. Legit chills! It seems like they’ve found another level of performance on SFAM, because the solo section of Beyond This Life felt extra greasy, and the intensity of the solos on Home was much higher than on the record, particularly Jordan. With apologies to LSFNY, this tour is the definitive performance of Scenes, in my opinion.
In all, I’d say last night was the 2nd best DT show I’ve seen, second only to the Chicago show on the ToT tour. They are in top form and I highly recommend catching a date or two on this tour.
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I was at the Indy show last night, and security was very aggressive about shutting down people taking video. There were a few people in front of me that got kicked out because they kept taking video.
I guess I was lucky because I was in the center and security couldn't really get to me. I took a ton of snippets with reckless abandon. :biggrin:
Seems like I saw them going down to the front a couple of times. Is that where you were? Maybe just aggressive there?
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https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2019/murat-theatre-indianapolis-in-39c21eb.html
Looks like they are rotating Fall Into the Light with Paralyzed. That's a bit frustrating. Even though I love FIT and every other song on the album, I already heard it in Chicago and I'm going to be bummed if they play it again over paralyzed. The definite downside to a rotating setlist. That's also why I never got to hear out cry or beneath the surface.
that was my guess though and it would make sense for them to take the Luna Park approach for this tour's live album (which is probably why they will film two concerts as opposed to one like in Boston in 2014)
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I was at the Indy show last night, and security was very aggressive about shutting down people taking video. There were a few people in front of me that got kicked out because they kept taking video.
Other than that, it was a killer show! They were clearly having fun on stage, especially Mangini. First set was decent, wish they would have played all of ITPOE. The new material came across really strong live. SFAM was killer. It brought me back to when the album was first released and how much I listened to it back then. Legit chills! It seems like they’ve found another level of performance on SFAM, because the solo section of Beyond This Life felt extra greasy, and the intensity of the solos on Home was much higher than on the record, particularly Jordan. With apologies to LSFNY, this tour is the definitive performance of Scenes, in my opinion.
In all, I’d say last night was the 2nd best DT show I’ve seen, second only to the Chicago show on the ToT tour. They are in top form and I highly recommend catching a date or two on this tour.
Cool! How it was the final section/solo of AWE live? They extended it a bit more or just played it until the end, just without the fade out, like the album? Thanks!
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I was at the Indy show last night, and security was very aggressive about shutting down people taking video. There were a few people in front of me that got kicked out because they kept taking video.
I guess I was lucky because I was in the center and security couldn't really get to me. I took a ton of snippets with reckless abandon. :biggrin:
Seems like I saw them going down to the front a couple of times. Is that where you were? Maybe just aggressive there?
I was down in Row G and it seemed like they were cool with photos but definitely not cool with video.
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I was at the Indy show last night, and security was very aggressive about shutting down people taking video. There were a few people in front of me that got kicked out because they kept taking video.
Other than that, it was a killer show! They were clearly having fun on stage, especially Mangini. First set was decent, wish they would have played all of ITPOE. The new material came across really strong live. SFAM was killer. It brought me back to when the album was first released and how much I listened to it back then. Legit chills! It seems like they’ve found another level of performance on SFAM, because the solo section of Beyond This Life felt extra greasy, and the intensity of the solos on Home was much higher than on the record, particularly Jordan. With apologies to LSFNY, this tour is the definitive performance of Scenes, in my opinion.
In all, I’d say last night was the 2nd best DT show I’ve seen, second only to the Chicago show on the ToT tour. They are in top form and I highly recommend catching a date or two on this tour.
Cool! How it was the final section/solo of AWE live? They extended it a bit more or just played it until the end, just without the fade out, like the album? Thanks!
They changed it a little bit, but I don’t think it was any big extension or anything like that.
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I thought the show last night was fantastic. I'd rather there have been more setlist changes, but I get that people who didn't see them the first time might not agree. But the show was just awesome. And the encore was perfect.
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How was the crowd reaction for AWE? Like to compare to PMU which some of us hardcore fans can do without, but it usually gets a big crowd response live. I'm very borderline about going to the NJ show, I really want to see AWE, but is it worth it for seeing the show a 3rd time now? Maybe if I can score a cheap ticket.
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I know the hard core fans that follow the band intensely love At wit's end, but I imagine that casual fans or the ones that came over for SFAM would react better to Pull me under. Hopefully paying attention to the small part of the audience that requested AWE won't backfire on DT. ;D
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DT fearlessly played a brand new 2-hour-plus concept album on the Astonisuing tour, I think they will be fine closing out a show with a single song that might be new to some folks (and it doesn't hurt that it's one of the best songs on a very popular new album.)
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The people up front were really into it. Knew the song, some people sang, etc. They also got huge applause when it was done. But I'm sure it didn't get the roar that PMU gets. That's to be expected but I think it still went over really well.
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And yeah - what Epic Outro said.
Cramx - totally worth it imo but then I always enjoy seeing multiple DT shows.
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AWE from Indianapolis (full song)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UE_zacjq90
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AWE from Indianapolis (full song)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UE_zacjq90
Never clicked faster.
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DT fearlessly played a brand new 2-hour-plus concept album on the Astonisuing tour, I think they will be fine closing out a show with a single song that might be new to some folks (and it doesn't hurt that it's one of the best songs on a very popular new album.)
I question it more so because DT has dropped songs that don't get the crowd reaction they want and I hope that doesn't become the case here, I don't expect it to since I know how loved the song is, but figured it might not get the reaction PMU does and I prefer AWE as the encore much more personally.
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Oh wow. I just realized that AWE is the perfect ending song, with JLB belting out "Don't leave me now"
I never thought TSCO could be matched for most emotional ending but AWE did it.
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AWE from Indianapolis (full song)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UE_zacjq90
J.P. I.S. G.O.D.
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:metal :metal
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And AWE appears to be like Breaking All Illusions in that it is a modern DT song that JLB can really give justice to. He really sang it well.
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AWE from Indianapolis (full song)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UE_zacjq90
Pretty sure that’s my “Wooo!”at the 0:04 mark.
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AWE from Indianapolis (full song)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UE_zacjq90
Pretty sure that’s my “Wooo!”at the 0:04 mark.
You mean from the :04 mark onward for the next minute? :lol
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AWE from Indianapolis (full song)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UE_zacjq90
Pretty sure that’s my “Wooo!”at the 0:04 mark.
You mean from the :04 mark onward for the next minute? :lol
Lol that ending was a bit...clunky...I'm sure they'll work it out a few more shows into the tour. Not to be a negative Nancy but JLB's voice is pretty shredded here too, but I get that it's the end of the show.
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His wasn't in peak condition by the end but I thought he sounded great, minus a few notes he struggled on (i.e. high note on "you lost your face there's no getting through")
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Was at the Canton OH show last night, and to me that was as good as JLB has sounded from start to finish in a show that I can remember. He sounded great. Hopefully he keeps that up throughout the rest of the tour for the others here that are seeing them later in the tour.
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He sounds great to me in that video.
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He sounds great to me in that video.
yeah, really good.
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Yeah, from what I could tell (sometimes it's hard to get a clear picture in the room at high volumes) James sounded good last night in Canton. Considering the length of the show and the demand it puts on his voice, I was impressed.
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I was at the Canton show last night, and overall it was amazing, due in no small part to the HUGE sound in the room (amazing, legit blew me away) and the energetic as hell crowd. As soon as Scenes proper started, it seems like EVERYONE rose to their feet and erupted in applause. Guys down front on the floor (I was front row balcony) were waving shirts around like it was a sporting event, non-stop, throughout the entire set. Dude next to me was singing along to EVERYTHING and had the biggest smile on his face the entire time.
My own personal opinion is that it wasn't the best I've seen James (this was DT show #14 for me) - either he wasn't properly mic'd the entire time, or his voice was a little fragile in spots b/c it came across as either weaker or dropped out - but he was consistent throughout and extremely steady.
I WAS bummed that we got Paralyzed, for the simple fact that when I saw the tour in Upper Darby in the spring, we also got that rotation. Would have LOVED to have heard Fall into the Light.
Although I initially was grumbly that the 1st set was the same (b/c I love "collecting" live song experiences, and was hoping to collect a few more new ones this time, and was all "DAMMIT, it's the same set AND I got the same rotation!"), I am glad I got to experience the new songs again. In Upper Darby, the mix was actually pretty bad for a bit - extremely bass heavy to the point of drowning everything else out. But being able to properly appreciate Untethered Angel and Pale Blue Dot again was great. And I still enjoyed ANtR like I did the 1st time.
And yay, a new song in AWE. I spoiled myself accidentally, which takes a touch of fun out of it for me, but I still enjoyed it.
I really can't say enough about how amazing the sound in the room was. It was large, round, and deep, and clear. Punched you without hurting you. I SO wish they'd be able to capture MM's sound live in the studio.
I also can't speak enough about how jacked the crowd was. Erupting in applause after extensive solo section, singing loudly all along. It almost felt like one big party, which made the entire 2nd set a great experience. I saw the OG Scenes tour, and then saw it in Upper Darby for the anniversary, but last night in Canton, I FELT it, and I felt like it really was a celebration, and not just an entire album taking up a whole set.
Great venue, too, in general. Ample parking, comfortable as hell seats, great ambience.
All around a great experience, even well into my double digit set.
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I know just what you mean about "collecting" live experiences. I'm super glad I got to collect Space Dye Vest live a few years ago. Not sure that chance will roll around again.
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I was at the Canton show as well and the crowd was like night and day from the first set to the second. No one even made a move to get up for the first set and the crowd seemed kinda dead. Second set - the guy waving a shirt around is the one who got people to stand. Otherwise I really don't think they were planning to. People sat for Through My Words and much of Fatal Tragedy too - the shirt guy kept trying to get people back up but only got a few. Finally during Beyond this Life, most seemed to get back up and stayed on their feet for the rest of the night. (Except for the first two rows). And I know there's a whole sit/stand debate but it was just so much more fun when the crowd was standing and you could feel the energy.
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I was center section a couple of rows in front of the sound board, and we were in the same boat. The group I came with stood up from the opening note of the night and NO ONE else around us stood up in the 1st set, so we inevitably sat down to not be complete dicks to the people behind us. But yea totally agree on the atmosphere/energy between the 2 sets. Thankfully others around us stood for the 2nd set. I know it was an indoor theater and there are individual seats for everyone, but it just doesn't feel right to sit through a concert like that. I'm sure the band feeds off of that energy and would like to see a more lively crowd.
Not trying to criticize or call out anyone that likes to sit during the show...that's just my $0.02/personal preference.
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Easily the worst part of going to a DT show, the boring crowd :facepalm:
I may not bother going this time around, I just can't take the "no phones" and "no standing" approach to a metal concert.
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Fwiw, at the Indianapolis show, everyone stood immediately and stayed that way all night. Hopefully more of the crowds will be like that.
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Easily the worst part of going to a DT show, the boring crowd :facepalm:
I may not bother going this time around, I just can't take the "no phones" and "no standing" approach to a metal concert.
See, I don't think of it as a metal concert. I think of it as a prog concert.
I stand up at times, when it's really rocking, but I like to sit down as well, because I want to be able to concentrate on what they are playing. Also, I'm old lol.
That's just me.
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I was at LA and Milwaukee last leg. Everyone stood the whole time.. I don't get it either. Its a rock concert!! Time to rock! The crowd in LA was the best I have ever experienced. There was such a vibe - especially when Home was played. I will never forget it.
I have front row in Reno - geeze I hope people don't want to sit.....I am 55 and can hack it, so ... :metal
Personally I think they should not have seats in the the pit area. It is nice to have the seat if you are up front for your "space" and stuff, but it does kind of lend itself to sitting.. For me it is worth it to have to hold your spot.
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I finagled front row for tomorrows show (face value, three weeks after they went on sale because of whatever dumb price gouging algorithms Ticketmaster has. I'll save it for another discussion).
I plan on standing the entire show whether the rows behind me want a Barry manilow experience or not. I may sit for some of the slow parts.
Last time at the same venue, I was able to sell a second row ticket to a formumer and he actually recruited people around him to stand and stay standing. I'm not that outgoing.
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For most types of rock/metal, I think a mixed venue is the best, where you have seats farther back, and floor up front. Then people who want to sit can take the seats, but you have that standing room/pit energy up front. And if you want to get a closeup view of the band, you get there earlier and get to the front.
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If you're the standing kind, please be mindful of those around you and read the room. If no one else is standing but you are, and you're right in front of me, I WILL hound you to sit down and will get venue staff involved and make your experience just as uncomfortable as mine.
So don't be like the one person in the balcony I saw behind me who was standing with an entire section still behind her being obstructed b/c she insisted on being special. Honestly, it's inexcusable to be that person in the fucking balcony. Some of us choose it for the view as much as the lower ticket cost.
And honestly, if you *have* to stand to feel the music and get into it, you're doing it wrong.
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NO ONE else around us stood up in the 1st set, so we inevitably sat down to not be complete dicks to the people behind us.
You pass the test of a good concert goer. You may continue to attend shows.
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And honestly, if you *have* to stand to feel the music and get into it, you're doing it wrong.
No one "has" to stand, but this statement is fairly ignorant if you think people who stand are doing it wrong.
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And honestly, if you *have* to stand to feel the music and get into it, you're doing it wrong.
No one "has" to stand, but this statement is fairly ignorant if you think people who stand are doing it wrong.
Not when it's at the expense of everyone around you.
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ANTR was played every night on their last tour here six months ago........
No kidding? :omg: :biggrin:
I understand that people wanted some changes in two different legs on the same tour, but still, I think it's worthy that such a great underrepresented epic has a stable spot in the set list for the entire tour. Hopefully they won't drop it next year once they hit Europe.
Sheesh...you were the one that had just posted that ANTR had not been played in ten years.......my apologies.......I didn't know that you knew that it had been played. Didn't see any green font or sarcasm.
Moving on.....this is so similar to The Astonishing 're tour' so soon after the prior tour. I only had to travel sixty miles this spring to DC for the SFAM anniversary tour on the heals of a hot new album release. Less than six months later, only twenty miles away, I expected ANTR and ITPOE dropped, to add another new song, and a couple of different tracks in the set list. Changes. For mood or to get people out of their seats. 'Misunderstood', 'Solitary Shell', 'The Enemy Inside', 'The Bigger Picture' (we all could name a dozen others) .....something, anything but the two prior listed songs.
I also wish they'd let the crowd cheer for a minute after TSCO, instead of going right into the taped intro for 'Finally Free'....but that's me. I'll stick around for all of that, just to see AWE performed. And enjoy it. Just think the whole night could be better.
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That Canton show was amazing! I was 2nd row near the center aisle on JM side, and the mix was not great to start but was much improved within a few songs.. Not a fan of Paralyzed but it worked well live. I remember asking myself why I can't hear the bass so much, then JM actually walked off stage during a break telling his tech something and came back, then BOOM... it was loud and he was actually pumped, as the rest of the show went on, he was.... Yes.... The most animate of all on stage... Reminded me of the old old days! :hefdaddy. As for AWE... they really did a fantastic ending for a live show... A perfect way to end, JP was brilliant... Great show!
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I caught the Indy show Friday Night. I was able to take a friend who had never seen DT live and is now just getting into them. He came away very impressed. I really liked ANTR. Just my 2 cents. PBD came off very nicely for the first set. I thought the sound was muddy at times. But the band's performance was really good as it always is. Scenes for the second set came off very nicely and the encore was really good. If I were to change anything it would be to change out ITPOE. I would substitute it with 2 song of shorter length. For me the show went by very quickly. My friend hot me up the next day telling me how impressed he was and asking which DT DVDs he should begin collecting. So it was a great evening.
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One more thing . . . sort of a PSA
If you decide to bring your girl to a Dream Theater concert, don't do it cold without any preparation. You REALLY need to set her expectations.
The guy in front of me brought his girlfriend and you could plainly see just from her body language (slouching, not moving) that she was BORED out of her mind. We all stood for the whole concert but she sat down early into the first set. He kept reaching over and rubbing her back, like "sorry, babe, I know . . ." and he did that quite a bit. On the other hand, he was one of the most "into it" people I saw. Throwing his arms up, singing with passion, think he was doing the "James claw hand" thing. So at least he had fun :lol
The guy who sat next to me brought his wife to the show. She stood the entire show and sang every song word for word. Lucky man there.
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If you're the standing kind, please be mindful of those around you and read the room. If no one else is standing but you are, and you're right in front of me, I WILL hound you to sit down and will get venue staff involved and make your experience just as uncomfortable as mine.
So don't be like the one person in the balcony I saw behind me who was standing with an entire section still behind her being obstructed b/c she insisted on being special. Honestly, it's inexcusable to be that person in the fucking balcony. Some of us choose it for the view as much as the lower ticket cost.
And honestly, if you *have* to stand to feel the music and get into it, you're doing it wrong.
If you're the sitting kind, I would advise you to read the room also...specifically the people up at the front, on an elevated platform, that are playing passionate and energetic music. If you want to sit, sure, stay up in the balcony and it's reasonable expect other people to do the same. If you're 5 feet from some guys playing amazing riffs, a vocalist that is singing his ass off, and about 10 feet from a dude beating the living hell out of some drums, and you want to sit there like you're watching Lion King on ice, honestly, in my humble opinion, you're doing it wrong.
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If you're the standing kind, please be mindful of those around you and read the room. If no one else is standing but you are, and you're right in front of me, I WILL hound you to sit down and will get venue staff involved and make your experience just as uncomfortable as mine.
So don't be like the one person in the balcony I saw behind me who was standing with an entire section still behind her being obstructed b/c she insisted on being special. Honestly, it's inexcusable to be that person in the fucking balcony. Some of us choose it for the view as much as the lower ticket cost.
And honestly, if you *have* to stand to feel the music and get into it, you're doing it wrong.
If you're the sitting kind, I would advise you to read the room also...specifically the people up at the front, on an elevated platform, that are playing passionate and energetic music. If you want to sit, sure, stay up in the balcony and it's reasonable expect other people to do the same. If you're 5 feet from some guys playing amazing riffs, a vocalist that is singing his ass off, and about 10 feet from a dude beating the living hell out of some drums, and you want to sit there like you're watching Lion King on ice, honestly, in my humble opinion, you're doing it wrong.
In addition, I payed a good chunk of change to be up front at a rock concert - and now people want to sit!? ??? How freaking boring. I suppose if everyone is sitting I would probably sit, but I am not sure.. I am planning on standing, grooving, singing and all the rest at the upcoming show..
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Not to mention the band would prefer you to stand. They said during The Astonishing tour it was kind of odd that everyone was sitting and yeah, I admit, there are good arguments to make about sitting during that show.
There were some folks up front that would stand during the rocking parts and implored others to stand to not much avail. I was much further back during this one so I just sat...and was bored. Weirdest DT show ever.
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I was told by ushers to sit at both TA shows (actually second I didn't try, the people next to me did, in the first row mind you and were shut down by ushers). I thought that was by DT's own design being the way they presented that show.
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I think sitting on the balcony and standing on the floor is a pretty good compromise here.
The Astonishing was kind of weird - DT's meet and greet coordinator for that tour said that people were absolutely not required to sit and they found out that some venues were doing it after the fact and told future venues not to do it. I was at a couple standing shows and JL and JP always looked excited to see people on their feet. I'm not sure how the others feel about it. But like Madmen said, it did somewhat make sense for The Astonishing that some people would think they were supposed to sit. For a regular DT show, it's a different story.
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The most obnoxious are the people who spend more effort trying to get others to stand than paying attention to the band. I've seen Steve Howe cuss out and mock guys before who were making asses of themselves standing up and obstructing everyone's view drawing all the attention to themselves.
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If you're the standing kind, please be mindful of those around you and read the room. If no one else is standing but you are, and you're right in front of me, I WILL hound you to sit down and will get venue staff involved and make your experience just as uncomfortable as mine.
So don't be like the one person in the balcony I saw behind me who was standing with an entire section still behind her being obstructed b/c she insisted on being special. Honestly, it's inexcusable to be that person in the fucking balcony. Some of us choose it for the view as much as the lower ticket cost.
And honestly, if you *have* to stand to feel the music and get into it, you're doing it wrong.
If you're the sitting kind, I would advise you to read the room also...specifically the people up at the front, on an elevated platform, that are playing passionate and energetic music. If you want to sit, sure, stay up in the balcony and it's reasonable expect other people to do the same. If you're 5 feet from some guys playing amazing riffs, a vocalist that is singing his ass off, and about 10 feet from a dude beating the living hell out of some drums, and you want to sit there like you're watching Lion King on ice, honestly, in my humble opinion, you're doing it wrong.
Yeah, me grooving in my seat, slapping my legs in time, and punching the air and bobbing head works just as well for them. No one's telling me I'm not appreciative enough just because I'm mindful of those behind me.
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I always ask if its ok I stand, if the person behind me is fine with it. They usually are ok because I'm not tall and pretty thin.
I also ask the people next to me to let me know if I rock out to hard or am being an annoyance.
Overall never had a problem with standing. Dont mind sitting, but it's a rock show and you stand at a rock show, there is a vibe different from sitting shows. I've been to both and it's usually the older bands where people sit.
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If you're the standing kind, please be mindful of those around you and read the room. If no one else is standing but you are, and you're right in front of me, I WILL hound you to sit down and will get venue staff involved and make your experience just as uncomfortable as mine.
So don't be like the one person in the balcony I saw behind me who was standing with an entire section still behind her being obstructed b/c she insisted on being special. Honestly, it's inexcusable to be that person in the fucking balcony. Some of us choose it for the view as much as the lower ticket cost.
And honestly, if you *have* to stand to feel the music and get into it, you're doing it wrong.
If you're the sitting kind, I would advise you to read the room also...specifically the people up at the front, on an elevated platform, that are playing passionate and energetic music. If you want to sit, sure, stay up in the balcony and it's reasonable expect other people to do the same. If you're 5 feet from some guys playing amazing riffs, a vocalist that is singing his ass off, and about 10 feet from a dude beating the living hell out of some drums, and you want to sit there like you're watching Lion King on ice, honestly, in my humble opinion, you're doing it wrong.
Yeah, me grooving in my seat, slapping my legs in time, and punching the air and bobbing head works just as well for them. No one's telling me I'm not appreciative enough just because I'm mindful of those behind me.
Yup. And it's a massive benefit for shorter people, too.
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Show last night was amazing and the entire band sounded great. How do I know? Well, I was front row and right in front of one of those foot long speakers they put at the front if the stage so people could hear. Of all nights to forget my ear plugs in my car. Thankfully, an usher had a spare pair and gave me his.
James was awesome but had a few problems with the high notes here and there.
Two hilarious moments of the night:
James was at the front if the stage and noticed a guy plugging his ears about 5 feet to my right. He pointed at him and gave him a look like, "What gives?" The guy pointed to the speaker in front of him and James made a face. Next song comes and james come out from backstage, right before he starts singing, and hands the guy a package of earplugs.
One upping that hilarious (and nice) moment was during Fatal Tragedy (i think). During one of the trippier and emotive parts of the song, he closed his eyes, grabbed the mic, and noticed it was a little askew. He turned it around to sing, not knowing he had it the wrong way. At first I thought he was going to have us sing, which would have been a weird part to have audience participation, but then he opened his eyes when he couldnt hear his voice amplified. Of course, it turned into a very LaBrie moment where he made a face like, "how the fuck did that happen?" He started singing and cracking up for about 10-15 seconds.
He later told us we had witnessed history by watching him trying to sing into the wrong end of the mic for the first time in his life
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I do love JLB fuck ups because he always makes them funny, definitely love how he just jokes them off
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If you're the standing kind, please be mindful of those around you and read the room. If no one else is standing but you are, and you're right in front of me, I WILL hound you to sit down and will get venue staff involved and make your experience just as uncomfortable as mine.
So don't be like the one person in the balcony I saw behind me who was standing with an entire section still behind her being obstructed b/c she insisted on being special. Honestly, it's inexcusable to be that person in the fucking balcony. Some of us choose it for the view as much as the lower ticket cost.
And honestly, if you *have* to stand to feel the music and get into it, you're doing it wrong.
If you're the sitting kind, I would advise you to read the room also...specifically the people up at the front, on an elevated platform, that are playing passionate and energetic music. If you want to sit, sure, stay up in the balcony and it's reasonable expect other people to do the same. If you're 5 feet from some guys playing amazing riffs, a vocalist that is singing his ass off, and about 10 feet from a dude beating the living hell out of some drums, and you want to sit there like you're watching Lion King on ice, honestly, in my humble opinion, you're doing it wrong.
Yeah, me grooving in my seat, slapping my legs in time, and punching the air and bobbing head works just as well for them. No one's telling me I'm not appreciative enough just because I'm mindful of those behind me.
Yup. And it's a massive benefit for shorter people, too.
I'm 5 ft tall, soooooo...... maybe my almost militant stance might make more sense to some people, hah
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how is the visit to the US tour now. Are the shows sold out? how many per show? 1000-1500?
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how is the visit to the US tour now. Are the shows sold out? how many per show? 1000-1500?
I can't speak for others, but last round they sold out in central NJ to about ~1500, and it looks like their return to central Jersey (about 30 minutes away from the venue from earlier this year) isn't selling as well. Maybe 1/2 sold, all the best and worst seats, none of the mid tier. I checked yesterday because I've been on the fence about going for a 3rd time. I'm leaning towards not going.
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James was at the front if the stage and noticed a guy plugging his ears about 5 feet to my right. He pointed at him and gave him a look like, "What gives?" The guy pointed to the speaker in front of him and James made a face. Next song comes and james come out from backstage, right before he starts singing, and hands the guy a package of earplugs.
That's completely awesome!
During one of the trippier and emotive parts of the song, he closed his eyes, grabbed the mic, and noticed it was a little askew. He turned it around to sing, not knowing he had it the wrong way. At first I thought he was going to have us sing, which would have been a weird part to have audience participation, but then he opened his eyes when he couldnt hear his voice amplified. Of course, it turned into a very LaBrie moment where he made a face like, "how the fuck did that happen?" He started singing and cracking up for about 10-15 seconds.
He later told us we had witnessed history by watching him trying to sing into the wrong end of the mic for the first time in his life
Dustin Brown can relate.
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how is the visit to the US tour now. Are the shows sold out? how many per show? 1000-1500?
The venue at the Canton OH show holds just under 1,500 people. I was in the main floor section so I can't verify how full the balcony was (about 650 seats there), but the main floor looked to be near (if not complete) full.
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Great show last night in St. Louis.
As much as I like the new album, Scenes is just a whole other level. I know I said a while back that I wish they were playing more new songs and not all of Scenes, but I take it back. :P You can never go wrong playing all of Scenes.
As for the new songs, Untethered Angel (a solid tune, but my least favorite from D/T) is a pretty underwhelming concert opener; thank goodness it is short (by their standards :lol). The rest of the new songs all came off well, although At Wit's End in the encore is a bit weird. Felt like the song didn't get its proper due from the live crowd because it came after Scenes, which is a tough act to follow. We got Paralyzed instead of Fall into the Light, which was a bummer, but oh well. The band absolutely crushed Pale Blue Dot and In the Presence Part 1.
And all of Scenes (again)...yeah. Amazing. :metal :metal
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Great show last night in St. Louis.
As much as I like the new album, Scenes is just a whole other level. I know I said a while back that I wish they were playing more new songs and not all of Scenes, but I take it back. :P You can never go wrong playing all of Scenes.
Yeah, I know exactly what you are saying. I was a very vocal critic about them playing Scenes, but holy shit, it was awesome!!
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Yeah, I know exactly what you are saying. I was a very vocal critic about them playing Scenes, but holy shit, it was awesome!!
Now we just need a tour in three years where they play all of Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence... :metal :metal
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While I would personally dread that, I wouldn't be surprised if they did at this point.
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If that is what it takes for them to freaking bust out The Glass Prison and Misunderstood again, I am on board.
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But then they'll just play disc 2. I'd love to see Disc 1 live, I could live without seeing the full song SDOIT though.
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Honestly, I don't need The Glass Prison.
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Honestly, I don't need The Glass Prison.
I don't need you.
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Honestly, I don't need The Glass Prison.
I don't need SDoiT played through in its entirety ever again. Even on the CD I can't listen to the whole thing.
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Honestly, I don't need The Glass Prison.
I don't need you.
And I will never be open again.
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Honestly, I don't need The Glass Prison.
I don't need you.
And I will never be open again.
:heart
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I'd go to that concert in a heartbeat because it might be my only chance to hear Dissappear live.
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I can't imagine that they'd do all of SDOIT the album. That would leave virtually no time for anything else other than an encore and maybe one or two other songs. But it wouldn't surprise me if they did all of SDOIT the song, which I'd be happy with for the same reason I loved getting all of SFAM on this tour: I missed the tour for the album (in the case of SDOIT, I had a good reason).
If they did do the whole album, TGD and Disappear (the latter of which I've fortunately avoided so far) would give a nice opportunity for a bathroom/beer break. ;D
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Alternate between Disc 1 and Disc 2 at every show :lol
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Please no more anniversary shows or full album performances.
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Alternate between Disc 1 and Disc 2 at every show :lol
I'd love this to happen. :) It probably won't, but I would love it. If they can't do that, or don't think it would be a good idea, I'd settle for rotating a bunch of the songs over like 4 shows or something. And I'd kill to hear Disappear.
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Well we were at the concert in St. Louis on Wednesday and the band was on fire!
Our seats were in Pit-C, last on the row, house left in front of JM. Now when you get that close in between the speakers, you don't get the full brunt of the sound and you do comprise some sound quality in exchange for seeing the them up close and personal. I keep telling myself that I need to buy seats in the middle of the theater or balcony to get the full effect.
So here are some thoughts:
I thought JLB stole the show. Sure, he missed a couple of high notes (which is to be expected) but his range was awesome. For instance, during BSW when it calls for the high note at the end of the song, he nailed it and when I say "nailed it" he went straight for the high note instead of winding up to eventually get that note if that makes any sense.
JP is always enjoyable to watch and he eventually made to our side and made eye contact with a nod of the head in acknowledgment. At one point while he was on the back riser on our side soloing we again made eye contact and put my fist in the air and he responded with that snarly face he does in the UA video. It was quite humorous.
JM was slow headbanging on one of the songs so who says he's low energy? :)
My wife can dance to anything and JR actually looked over at her and smiled and gave a quick wave.
Most of the crowd stood for the entire show.
Unfortunately, the show was not sold out and I think it was because of opening season for the St. Louis Blues who were playing right next door and they were raising the banner that night.
My goodness - MM plays with such power!!
Last thing - We did the meet and greet which was expectedly underwhelming. We did it because we thought what the heck. I knew what to expect but when it came time for autographs, a couple of band members looked and acted like they would rather be anywhere else. I understand and don't take offense but I could feel it.
But you can tell that the stage is where they'd rather be cause they looked like they were having a blast!
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Nice review, hunnus2000. :tup :tup
The band was definitely on fire at the St Louis show, and I can't help but wonder if the place would have been more packed had the Blues home opener not been the same night. La Brie mentioned the Blues game at one point, so the band was at least aware that they were competing with the home opener next door of a team that won the Cup. I sometimes worry that a less than jam packed crowd will make the venue not want to book them in the future, but it sounds like we did good all things considered (especially since it sounds like all other cities are not selling out).
Mangini live is definitely something to behold. The power and energy he plays with is pretty crazy. :metal :metal
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One thing I forgot to mention was the end of Finally Free when Mangini freaked out on the drums. He started doing some really bizarre stuff, odd time signatures, and it actually briefly killed the momentum. He did the same thing last Spring when I saw them but this time, he seemed to have it more planned. Last spring, it was so out there I was slightly disappointed. This time after his weirdness, he went back to more traditional, more metal beats and left us all with our faces melted but for a brief moment, me and the guy next to me shared a brief glance like, "Uh, this isn't flowing."
Also at the end of the first set, Mike really turned into the genie and crossed his arms and descended below his drums. What a weird, hilarious dude. :metal
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Sounds like St. Louis was a blast.
I thought Mangini was just... undeniable at the shows I saw. Whatever he was doing during Finally Free was cool with me.
JP is amazing too... whenever I see DT, I remember all over again how awesome he is. For some reason Yngwie came up to the other day and he's got nothing on JP. (Plus he can't be bothered to get a real band or singer).
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how is the visit to the US tour now. Are the shows sold out? how many per show? 1000-1500?
I can't speak for others, but last round they sold out in central NJ to about ~1500, and it looks like their return to central Jersey (about 30 minutes away from the venue from earlier this year) isn't selling as well. Maybe 1/2 sold, all the best and worst seats, none of the mid tier. I checked yesterday because I've been on the fence about going for a 3rd time. I'm leaning towards not going.
I'd have been there next week in a heartbeat BUT Flying Colors announced first so I got tickets to that.
Still bummed about that these conflicts don't usually happen to me very often so I have to suck it up and deal. One place I've never seen them before is the State Theatre. Also, I'd be there to hear more songs from Distance Over Time.
If one of these shows was in the afternoon, I'd have attempted to make both.
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Yeah, I know exactly what you are saying. I was a very vocal critic about them playing Scenes, but holy shit, it was awesome!!
Now we just need a tour in three years where they play all of Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence... :metal :metal
I'd sign up for that but it would never happen.
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JP is amazing too... whenever I see DT, I remember all over again how awesome he is.
Yep. It's almost easy to take him for granted at this point, but then you see him live and realize he is not a mortal like the rest of us. :coolio :hat
Now we just need a tour in three years where they play all of Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence... :metal :metal
I'd sign up for that but it would never happen.
Probably not. I'd love to see them bust out just Disc 1 of Six Degrees, which has gotten far less love over the years live than Disc 2. The Along for the Ride tour showed that they have no problem pulling out a big chunk of an album to feature (as opposed to having to pull out the entire thing), so we can dare to dream... :biggrin:
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JP is amazing too... whenever I see DT, I remember all over again how awesome he is.
Yep. It's almost easy to take him for granted at this point, but then you see him live and realize he is not a mortal like the rest of us. :coolio :hat
:metal When I saw him on G3 it was like that too. His set was crushing.
Now we just need a tour in three years where they play all of Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence... :metal :metal
I'd sign up for that but it would never happen.
Probably not. I'd love to see them bust out just Disc 1 of Six Degrees, which has gotten far less love over the years live than Disc 2. The Along for the Ride tour showed that they have no problem pulling out a big chunk of an album to feature (as opposed to having to pull out the entire thing), so we can dare to dream... :biggrin:
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I'll be dreaming along with you. :)
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Glad to see people are enjoying seeing SFAM again. I did say a while back that a lot of the naysayers were forgetting just how amazing it is live and would probably be won over. I only say this as I was totally blown away by how powerful it sounded when they pulled out a few songs for the AFTR tour and it just blew away everything else they played on the night (and that was a hell of a show already!). I’d totally forgotten just how great SFAM is.
As for SDOIT, I don’t expect them to do a tour where they play that album in full or any other album to be honest. I think Images and Scenes are THE two seminal albums of their career and deserve this treatment. I’m not sure any of the other albums would be a huge draw in terms of ticket sales to warrant using up a huge chunk of the show. Not saying they won’t mark the anniversary of any other albums at all but I don’t think you’ll get the whole album played and certainly not a whole tour where they do that.
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Glad to see people are enjoying seeing SFAM again. I did say a while back that a lot of the naysayers were forgetting just how amazing it is live and would probably be won over. I only say this as I was totally blown away by how powerful it sounded when they pulled out a few songs for the AFTR tour and it just blew away everything else they played on the night (and that was a hell of a show already!). I’d totally forgotten just how great SFAM is.
I'd like to say that I said the exact same thing, but I was probably just thinking it. :) But you're of course right - there is something incredibly powerful about Scenes live. It doesn't seem to matter which songs they pull out - whenever they do, it's just incredible. Getting to hear the whole thing is especially special indeed.
As for SDOIT, I don’t expect them to do a tour where they play that album in full or any other album to be honest. I think Images and Scenes are THE two seminal albums of their career and deserve this treatment. I’m not sure any of the other albums would be a huge draw in terms of ticket sales to warrant using up a huge chunk of the show. Not saying they won’t mark the anniversary of any other albums at all but I don’t think you’ll get the whole album played and certainly not a whole tour where they do that.
I think you're right. I would personally love a Six Degrees tour, but know the chance of it happening is almost non-existent. I'd surely love them to celebrate it in some way. Maybe one night gets The Glass Prison, Goodnight Kiss, and Solitary Shell. The next night, Blind Faith, War, and Test. And so on. You'd make the people who don't want another full album tour happy. You'd make Six Degrees fans happy. You'd make the fans who want setlist changes happy. And you'd have plenty of time to play lots of other songs.
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I think they probably will acknowledge it in some way especially as they rarely play anything off it so it is due a bit more love. I think there’s an outside chance you’d get the title track if it was an Evening With show but more likely a couple of other songs or some parts of the title track. I really don’t get why The Glass Prison is never played. It’s not one of my absolute favourites but it does seem to be a popular song amongst fans in general. JP also said, from memory, that the crowd reaction to that song was one of the inspirations for doing Train Of Thought as they wanted to do a whole album of all out metal songs that would would be great live.
Even without TGP though, Misunderstood is a very accessible song that would be good live I would think.
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While I love that they brought in 'At Wit's End', I wish they would have kept in 'Lie' and 'Peruvian Skies' instead of playing the same set they've already played in the U.S.
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While I love that they brought in 'At Wit's End', I wish they would have kept in 'Lie' and 'Peruvian Skies' instead of playing the same set they've already played in the U.S.
I hear that. I think Peruvian Skies would make a great encore. Given that I think Untethered Angel ought to be chucked, make Pull Me Under the show opener, and then sub out A Nightmare to Remember for Lie and At Wit's End in the first set.
Pull Me Under
Paralyzed/Fall into the Light (rotate)
Lie
Barstool Warrior
At Wit's End
In the Presence of Enemies Part 1
Pale Blue Dot
All of Scenes
Peruvian Skies
Looks great to me. :hat
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Mostly fine with me, but we've had more than enough of Pull Me Under over the last few tours. I'd rather keep UA. Ideally I'd like to hear something they haven't played recently - a new one off DoT would be fine, or something older we haven't heard for a while.
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True, I wish they would have busted out Room 137 or Out of Reach for this leg, but I guess it was not to be. I hope those songs don't go the way of Surrender to Reason, another really good song that appears less likely as time goes on to ever get played.
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That sounds good to me also, but open with S2N.
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Heck of a show Saturday night in Raleigh! Iit wasn't James's strongest performance, but he was still pretty good. SFAM live is always good, and the new closer At Wit's End was fantastic.
At the end of Finally Free, when Mike Mangini started going off, it sounded to me like for at least part of it he was hitting on off beats on purpose. JP, JR, and JM always stayed in perfect time and lockstep with each other. I looked over at my kids and said "He's just fucking with them now." lol
I actually wasn't planning to ask anyone about aftershow passes this time out, but then I went to a preshow fan club meetup and won passes for me and my kids in a trivia contest, so that was cool.
As usual, the guys were super friendly.
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Regarding Six Degrees, I'm honestly not sure how the band feels about it nowadays. But just due to the logistics of how they put their sets together, I think the odds of them playing the whole thing are slim to none. In fact, I think the odds of them playing even the entire title song are slim to none. If they keep the evening with format, I could see them doing a mini-tribute similar to what they did with Awake on the AFTR tour. If they did that, I could see getting a couple of songs from disk 1 and a couple of movements from the title song. If they move away from the evening with format, I could still see maybe a smaller mini-tribute, where they play maybe one song from side 1, with an acknowledgement of the album's anniversary, and a couple of movements from the title song. But hard to say.
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Awesome, hef!
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Awesome, hef!
:tup
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Awesome, hef!
Cool photos too, if I may say so. Was the last "performance shot" as it were during At Wit's End? I recognised some screen film bits of Barstool Warrior there but not much else.
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Awesome, hef!
Cool photos too, if I may say so. Was the last "performance shot" as it were during At Wit's End? I recognised some screen film bits of Barstool Warrior there but not much else.
No. I actually think those photos are in reverse order. I believe that pic is from earlier in the concert.
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Awesome, hef!
:tup
Triple Awesome Hef! I've got to go to those fan club meetings next time....
Looking forward to Asheville this week!
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Awesome, hef!
:tup
Triple Awesome Hef! I've got to go to those fan club meetings next time....
Looking forward to Asheville this week!
Nice! Let us know how it goes!
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Awesome, hef!
Very awesome :metal
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One thing I forgot to mention: James's new sleeve tattoo. It's INCREDIBLE. I know he posted pics online, but in person, it's ridiculous.
My kids also commented on someone having the balls to have themselves tattooed on...themselves.
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Tonight’s show is going great; guys are tight as usual and giving it everything they’ve got.
I’ve got to say tho, the people sitting down are sapping some energy for certain. I’ve been to a lot of shows and not seen anything quite like it. We’ll see if it gets better second set.
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I just was at a Kamleot concert last weekend. About half the crowd were standing. The singer for the first warm-up ban, in a friendly and fun way said. Hey! It's a metal concert!, let's stand up and rock! (Paraphrase). Everyone stood after that. I feel it is awkward for people to sit when they are right in front of the band. I feel embarrassed as I think the bands would Much Prefer the audience up and giving energy.
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I just was at a Kamleot concert last weekend. About half the crowd were standing. The singer for the first warm-up ban, in a friendly and fun way said. Hey! It's a metal concert!, let's stand up and rock! (Paraphrase). Everyone stood after that. I feel it is awkward for people to sit when they are right in front of the band. I feel embarrassed as I think the bands would Much Prefer the audience up and giving energy.
Exactly how I felt. James even made a comment about the venue staff handing out quaaludes prior to the show :lol... the first time it was funny, the second time (right before Home) he seemed like he wanted them to get up. I'm serious when I say this... mid venue from the front row (I'm assuming the Meet & Greet fans) back to the 8th row was a solid wall of sitting people. A few got up during certain songs in the second set and most all of them were up during AWE (which was awesome btw... James NAILED it), but for the majority of the concert, the first 8 or 9 rows sat. The band didn't let it get to them that I could visibly see because they were giving it everything they had all night, but it sapped a bit of my energy honestly.
An exception to what I said above was one young girl (9-10 maybe) standing in that sea of seated people giving it everything she had! Singing, mimicking James' hand motions, a little head banging and jumping up and down... she was feeling it! About half way through ANTR, I started to just feed off her energy and my wife's energy and enjoyed the rest of the show. I told her Dad (I assume it was her Dad) during intermission that it was good to see the next generation learning how to enjoy the rock show :biggrin:
It was a great show.
Venue was maybe 3/5ths full... probably slightly less than half.
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Venue was maybe 3/5ths full... probably slightly less than half.
3/5 is slightly more than half :biggrin:
I just was at a Kamleot concert last weekend. About half the crowd were standing. The singer for the first warm-up ban, in a friendly and fun way said. Hey! It's a metal concert!, let's stand up and rock! (Paraphrase). Everyone stood after that. I feel it is awkward for people to sit when they are right in front of the band. I feel embarrassed as I think the bands would Much Prefer the audience up and giving energy.
Battle Beast? Was this after he asked if any Vikings were in the hall? :rollin The NYC show was GA so everyone was standing, but I don't see how you could sit for this type of music.
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Venue was maybe 3/5ths full... probably slightly less than half.
3/5 is slightly more than half :biggrin:
I just was at a Kamleot concert last weekend. About half the crowd were standing. The singer for the first warm-up ban, in a friendly and fun way said. Hey! It's a metal concert!, let's stand up and rock! (Paraphrase). Everyone stood after that. I feel it is awkward for people to sit when they are right in front of the band. I feel embarrassed as I think the bands would Much Prefer the audience up and giving energy.
Battle Beast? Was this after he asked if any Vikings were in the hall? :rollin The NYC show was GA so everyone was standing, but I don't see how you could sit for this type of music.
Yes Battle Beast lol! It was all sitting but still...its a total buzz kill to sit at a rock concert! We had GA at The Astonishing and I wouldn't have wanted to sit even for that. :metal
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I'm surprised there was a GA show for TA
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Venue was maybe 3/5ths full... probably slightly less than half.
3/5 is slightly more than half :biggrin:
I just was at a Kamleot concert last weekend. About half the crowd were standing. The singer for the first warm-up ban, in a friendly and fun way said. Hey! It's a metal concert!, let's stand up and rock! (Paraphrase). Everyone stood after that. I feel it is awkward for people to sit when they are right in front of the band. I feel embarrassed as I think the bands would Much Prefer the audience up and giving energy.
Battle Beast? Was this after he asked if any Vikings were in the hall? :rollin The NYC show was GA so everyone was standing, but I don't see how you could sit for this type of music.
Yeah, yeah :lol... 2/5ths was my intended fraction. If the fraction/number I'm looking at on any given day isn't a Debt-to-Income ratio or doesn't have a $ in front of it my mind doesn't pay much attention to it.
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damn, was hoping you meant 3/5 and more than half. That kind of sucks to not have a good attendance.
The NJ show has all the worst of the most expensive seats still available for tomorrow night. I'm just not going to pay $80 to see the same show for a 3rd time. I've got other concert plans for my money this weekend for something I haven't seen. If DT had changed set 1 a bit I would have gone. So unless a front row ticket pops up tomorrow at face value, I think this is the first DT local show I am choosing to miss since I've been a fan.
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damn, was hoping you meant 3/5 and more than half. That kind of sucks to not have a good attendance.
The NJ show has all the worst of the most expensive seats still available for tomorrow night. I'm just not going to pay $80 to see the same show for a 3rd time. I've got other concert plans for my money this weekend for something I haven't seen. If DT had changed set 1 a bit I would have gone. So unless a front row ticket pops up tomorrow at face value...
That was exactly what made me decide to go and I don't regret it one bit.
Some cheap seats had opened up before the show and when my wife and I were walking around on the upper floor, an usher said, "Hey, would you like to exchange your ticket for third row?" not knowing that we were just killing time, walking around, not that we had cheap seats.
So I could have got 3rd row seats for 25 bucks but shit, front row for 80 was still worth it.
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Based on ticket sales for the rest of the shows, I doubt the Blues had anything to do with the lower attendance in St. Louis. Most of the shows I've been tracking have been half full at best. Below is the current ticket availability for Albany on Saturday, as an example. Pretty poor and this is common for most shows I'm seeing. I think fans are disappointed that this leg has the same set list as the last leg and didn't want to see another full album show.
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Nice review, hunnus2000. :tup :tup
The band was definitely on fire at the St Louis show, and I can't help but wonder if the place would have been more packed had the Blues home opener not been the same night. La Brie mentioned the Blues game at one point, so the band was at least aware that they were competing with the home opener next door of a team that won the Cup. I sometimes worry that a less than jam packed crowd will make the venue not want to book them in the future, but it sounds like we did good all things considered (especially since it sounds like all other cities are not selling out).
Mangini live is definitely something to behold. The power and energy he plays with is pretty crazy. :metal :metal
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I really don't get the logistics of this 2nd leg. I'm not complaining - I'm very happy they came back and I'm totally happy to see Scenes again.
But I do think it's odd that they're playing cities that are so close to where they played the first time around. Maybe they thought they were going to hit places like the Pacific Northwest but it didn't work out with the booking.. but in that case, I'd have thought they'd at least change the first leg some. Maybe bring out the other DOT songs so those who saw them in the spring would have seen the full album by coming back in the fall. Then again, they are playing smaller markets in general and perhaps in some cities (not all), they just weren't going to draw a huge crowd anyway.
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Unless a lot of fans played the "wait and see what the set list is before buying tickets" game, I am not sure how much impact the set list being pretty much the same as the first US leg had, with At Wit's End replacing Pull Me Under being the only change, had since I would think Scenes being played in full is still the main attraction.
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Had they come to Boston again, honestly, I might have skipped it. Changing out one song isn't worth the hassle.
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I flew to LA to see them in March on the last leg and the only reason I'm going here in Phoenix on this leg is because I bought tickets before we knew the set list and I got 2nd row seats (vs balcony in March). That said, had I known when the tickets went on sale that the set list would be virtually identical, I probably wouldn't have purchased a ticket. The guys always put on a great show, but I'm getting tired of the full album tribute shows.
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Unless a lot of fans played the "wait and see what the set list is before buying tickets" game, I am not sure how much impact the set list being pretty much the same as the first US leg had, with At Wit's End replacing Pull Me Under being the only change, had since I would think Scenes being played in full is still the main attraction.
I waited. Clearing out the first set would have been a sale for a lot of first leg attendees. We love seeing the band, and SFaM, but literally the same set list sans encore? Not enough :)
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I managed to get some cheap seats last time around. I sat in the last row on the balcony in NJ and the last row on the floor in NYC. I just don't see those tickets available for cheap this time and that's because I waited for the setlist before buying tickets when they went on sale. I honestly thought there would be a few more changes since they played different songs in Europe that they haven't played in the US recently (I've never seen them play Peruvian Skies out of the 19 times I've seen them). I'm not sure if its the promoters or the band who doesn't seem to understand their prog audience is very fickle. (Including myself of course). We don't want to pay to see the same shows, well I did twice and enjoyed them, but you're hitting the same markets and it just doesn't work. It didn't work for TA and it's not working for SFAM.
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I would imagine that the virtually identical setlist and the proximity to stops from the first leg are having quite a bit to do with the low numbers. I came THIS close to not going to the Raleigh show, since I had gone to the Charlotte show on the first leg. If I had know then that there would be a second leg with a stop in Raleigh, I would not have gone to THAT show.
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Unless a lot of fans played the "wait and see what the set list is before buying tickets" game, I am not sure how much impact the set list being pretty much the same as the first US leg had, with At Wit's End replacing Pull Me Under being the only change, had since I would think Scenes being played in full is still the main attraction.
Since we knew before tickets went on sale that they were doing all of SFAM again, we knew that about half the show would be the same, and I think it was pretty reasonable to infer that there would be at least some of the rest of the show unchanged. But for me, the two biggest factors were that they're playing in Riverside on a Monday night. Riverside is about 40 miles from my office, and traffic going to Riverside from Orange County on a week night is awful, and I probably wouldn't get home until around midnight. A different set list might make that more palatable or, if they were playing at, e.g., The Grove in Anaheim, I'd probably be going. I also thought about flying out to one of the Arizona shows (and particularly the 10/26 show, which is the actual 20th anniversary), but I'm not going to do that for basically the same set list.
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If you change your mind about Tucson, I have 2 front row center seats for sale. Literally best seats in the house. Will sell them to you at face.
Unless a lot of fans played the "wait and see what the set list is before buying tickets" game, I am not sure how much impact the set list being pretty much the same as the first US leg had, with At Wit's End replacing Pull Me Under being the only change, had since I would think Scenes being played in full is still the main attraction.
Since we knew before tickets went on sale that they were doing all of SFAM again, we knew that about half the show would be the same, and I think it was pretty reasonable to infer that there would be at least some of the rest of the show unchanged. But for me, the two biggest factors were that they're playing in Riverside on a Monday night. Riverside is about 40 miles from my office, and traffic going to Riverside from Orange County on a week night is awful, and I probably wouldn't get home until around midnight. A different set list might make that more palatable or, if they were playing at, e.g., The Grove in Anaheim, I'd probably be going. I also thought about flying out to one of the Arizona shows (and particularly the 10/26 show, which is the actual 20th anniversary), but I'm not going to do that for basically the same set list.
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I've been refreshing to see if anything pops up and nothing for the NJ show tonight. Not a huge loss, but was curious if a good seat would show up. The ticketing for this isn't done through ticketmaster but the venue itself so maybe they didn't hold back any seats.
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Based on ticket sales for the rest of the shows, I doubt the Blues had anything to do with the lower attendance in St. Louis. Most of the shows I've been tracking have been half full at best. Below is the current ticket availability for Albany on Saturday, as an example. Pretty poor and this is common for most shows I'm seeing. I think fans are disappointed that this leg has the same set list as the last leg and didn't want to see another full album show.
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Nice review, hunnus2000. :tup :tup
The band was definitely on fire at the St Louis show, and I can't help but wonder if the place would have been more packed had the Blues home opener not been the same night. La Brie mentioned the Blues game at one point, so the band was at least aware that they were competing with the home opener next door of a team that won the Cup. I sometimes worry that a less than jam packed crowd will make the venue not want to book them in the future, but it sounds like we did good all things considered (especially since it sounds like all other cities are not selling out).
Mangini live is definitely something to behold. The power and energy he plays with is pretty crazy. :metal :metal
Thats completely opposite from the Mesa, AZ show. But it's probably the same amount of tickets sold, compared to veneue size.
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I've been refreshing to see if anything pops up and nothing for the NJ show tonight. Not a huge loss, but was curious if a good seat would show up. The ticketing for this isn't done through ticketmaster but the venue itself so maybe they didn't hold back any seats.
I'd have been there regardless, but Flying Colors announced that date first and it was only my third time seeing them as opposed to 40-something for Dream Theater. Selfishly glad to know there weren't many surprises this time around.
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When I looked the other day, Mesa had about 600 seats left in a 1600 seat venue and that place has sold out each of the previous times DT has played there. I'll be there, though, 2nd row in front of JP. :metal
Thats completely opposite from the Mesa, AZ show. But it's probably the same amount of tickets sold, compared to veneue size.
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Just got back from the Albany show. James saved it for the SFAM set and he was outstanding. Sound was very very loud but well balanced. Crowd was pretty dead for the 1st set unfortunately.
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Didn’t post a lot because I was tired, but wow JP’s sound is so fricken massive. Just skull-crushing. It’s amazing, those guys still whip through stuff like TDOE like it’s walking on the beach.
In my previous post I mentioned the crowd being pretty dead during the first set and it’s probably a mistake not to include any classic crowd favorites during that time. Part of the problem is probably not everyone knows the newest songs (my wife and daughter were guilty of that too) but man did everyone come alive for SFAM.
DT CRUSHED it. There’s something magical about that album and I&W that their other albums don’t quite capture. Possibly the melodies/vocal melodies and a lot of iconic JP parts? Maybe just the songwriting on those albums is so strong.
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For those who have seen both legs, is it as loud this time around than last? I'm going on Tuesday and hope they turned the volume down from 5000.
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For those who have seen both legs, is it as loud this time around than last? I'm going on Tuesday and hope they turned the volume down from 5000.
I saw them in Nashville and the mix/sound/loudness was perfect. In St. Louis.....it was pretty loud. They sounded good....but man was it loud. The venue's played a large role as I had heard that the Tennessee Performing Arts Center was really conducive to a concert....and it was.
I had seen DT at the Stifel (then Peabody) for the Astonishing tour and they were pretty loud then as well. I just don't know that the Stifel is the best place for a Rock Concert?
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For those who have seen both legs, is it as loud this time around than last? I'm going on Tuesday and hope they turned the volume down from 5000.
I saw them in Charlotte on the first leg, and it was one of the loudest shows I've ever attended. Like, really botheringly loud.
I didn't feel that way after the Raleigh show on the second leg. I mean, it was plenty loud, but it wasn't overbearingly loud.
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I saw them the first leg in LA and in Milwaukee. LA was too loud. I couldn't hear James half the time. (The vibe was fabulous tho'!) Milwaukee was much less loud...then I wanted to turn it up on Home (the vibe less good) .... I have seen them the the Fox in Oakland, Anaheim and Grand Sierra in Reno for The Astonishing. They were all perfect as far as sound. For the Reno show coming up, I hope James isn't drowned out.
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This is from a poster on one of the DT Facebook groups, so I don't know if everybody will be able to see it here, but this guy recorded a great quality video of AWE live a couple days ago :metal
https://www.facebook.com/julio.c.granados.77/videos/2690504970962378/
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It will be worse and worse for LaBrie over the tour. SFAM is not the hardest album to sing so that is no problem for him. It is worse with the opening Untethered Angel where he struggles max. The last clips I have seen are painful. See the logic that the arenas are half-filled. Almost as you consider dropping the first set because you have seen this many times before. 3 times this summer. :angry: :metal
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It will be worse and worse for LaBrie over the tour. SFAM is not the hardest album to sing so that is no problem for him. It is worse with the opening Untethered Angel where he struggles max. The last clips I have seen are painful. See the logic that the arenas are half-filled. Almost as you consider dropping the first set because you have seen this many times before. 3 times this summer. :angry: :metal
Yeah i can understand the band not wanting to change things up too much as the production is in place, but playing multiple runs with pretty much the same setlist, is not ideal, especially given the fact that DT tickets are becoming more and more expensive.
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Yeah, that first set needs to be mixed up. If it's not working, change it.
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I enjoyed the first set. ANTR and ITPOE actually fit within the vibe the D/T songs have.
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If this stuff about half empty venues is correct, it seems crazy that people didn’t learn their lessons from the TA tour where they did a second tour of the US and went back to the same parts of the country playing the same set to half empty venues
Not putting all of this on DT of course, if a promoter is paying them, they’ll turn up and play there. Doesn’t seem a wise strategy in the long run though as promoters may lose faith in them to sell tickets.
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Not putting all of this on DT of course, if a promoter is paying them, they’ll turn up and play there. Doesn’t seem a wise strategy in the long run though as promoters may lose faith in them to sell tickets.
They played TA in the same theater in St. Louis on the second leg of that tour......to a half full venue......and then were asked back for this tour. I think it was over half full but certainly not sold out. Had they not played in Peoria the night before (3 hour drive from St. Louis) I think that'd have helped the attendance in St. Louis.....and that may be the culprit behind some of these low attended shows. They're poaching their own fan base by playing multiple sites that are close together. Were they interested in crowd sizes they probably wouldn't do that. But, they are getting paid no matter what so why not play as many venues as possible even if you're cutting your crowds in half due to the geography of the venues.
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I think the second leg is hitting the right locations since it allows fans to double dip if they wanted too...but then the set list didn’t change.
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I like that it didn't change. Just adding At Wits End, now makes the set what it should've originally been. Getting to hear it again, for me, is just as great.
ANTR and ITPOE pt.1 have only been played during their respective album tours. It's great getting to hear these. Now, I get they may not be fan favorites, it's nice to hear them pull out long songs.
The thing is people just want to hear more songs, mainly ones haven't played by MM.
Which also brings me to my point of DT needing to just forgo any anniversaries from here on out and play an evening with where no one knows what they will bust out.
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...but then the set list didn’t change.
That might be the biggest issue. I've said this many times already, but the whole SFAM anniversary thing hurts the tour in the long run, as they're stuck with more than half of the set and they can't change one bit to it. Set 1 is shorter and they don't really want to rotate the D/T songs as they're new, so there's not much else they could change if they also feel very confident in playing ANTR and ITPOE Pt. 1.
Was about to post this and Ben_Jamin ninja'd me:
Which also brings me to my point of DT needing to just forgo any anniversaries from here on out and play an evening with where no one knows what they will bust out.
Definitely. The IWAB tour was one thing, as they did go out and support TA the year before, but here they put themselves in a place where they must play stuff from the new album, but also must play SFAM note for note every time. Not a wise move in my book.
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The set list was perfect last time around. I love that they added AWE this time. But even with the stated intent of playing separate markets, I think they should have made a few more changes to the non-SFAM part of the set. ITPOE and ANTR are fantastic, especially live. But I do feel that they could likely get more fans from nearby markets to come see them again if they changed up more of the set. I don't agree that they should have skipped the SFAM altogether. That is still a huge draw. But for the material supplementing it, I think they could have benefitted from changing things up more than they did.
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The set list was perfect last time around. I love that they added AWE this time. But even with the stated intent of playing separate markets, I think they should have made a few more changes to the non-SFAM part of the set. ITPOE and ANTR are fantastic, especially live. But I do feel that they could likely get more fans from nearby markets to come see them again if they changed up more of the set. I don't agree that they should have skipped the SFAM altogether. That is still a huge draw. But for the material supplementing it, I think they could have benefitted from changing things up more than they did.
If they dropped ANTR in favor of two more songs.
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Replacing ANTR would have worked since it’s so long. Keep playing SFAM - it’s great live especially through BTL.
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I saw the show last night at the Tilles Center. Nice venue, it was my first time there. My son scored first row tickets on JP's side so it was quite a night. It was not packed, but more than half filled. The band was on fire as usual but I think something was up with JLB. He wasn't able to hit many of the high notes (sometimes nothing coming out) and his interaction with the crowd was next to nothing, except his planned speaking breaks. He just didn't seem to be having a good time. I saw JP's wife and (I think) daughter there, I think he had lots of family there.
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How awesome could've been if they were rotating Count of Tuscany with Nightmare?
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How awesome could've been if they were rotating Count of Tuscany with Nightmare?
It's even longer and much more of an "epic" feeling, it wouldn't fit in that spot of the set imo.
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How awesome could've been if they were rotating Count of Tuscany with Nightmare?
It's even longer and much more of an "epic" feeling, it wouldn't fit in that spot of the set imo.
buzzkill
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How awesome could've been if they were rotating Count of Tuscany with Nightmare?
DO NOT WANT
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The marquee at the Chicago show was what would have been the ultimate first and second set, especially given how varied and concise d/t is:
Dream Theater
Distance over Time
Metropolis Pt 2
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How awesome could've been if they were rotating Count of Tuscany with Nightmare?
Replace "Count of Tuscany" with "In the Name of God," and then re-word the sentence to where it is replacing Nightmare altogether, and I am with ya. :metal :metal
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How awesome could've been if they were rotating Count of Tuscany with Nightmare?
Replace "Count of Tuscany" with "In the Name of God," and then re-word the sentence to where it is replacing Nightmare altogether, and I am with ya. :metal :metal
This would be much better ;D
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I'd find Count of Tuscany much preferable, and ItNoG mildly preferable, to Nightmare to Remember. But I don't think any of them belong in this set.
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I saw the show last night at the Tilles Center. Nice venue, it was my first time there. My son scored first row tickets on JP's side so it was quite a night. It was not packed, but more than half filled. The band was on fire as usual but I think something was up with JLB. He wasn't able to hit many of the high notes (sometimes nothing coming out) and his interaction with the crowd was next to nothing, except his planned speaking breaks. He just didn't seem to be having a good time. I saw JP's wife and (I think) daughter there, I think he had lots of family there.
Yeah it was weird in Albany. Just walk off the stage after the first set, no speaking. Same thing with the second set. I thought it was because he was ticked over the lifeless crowd but I guess not.
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That's just how they have this one set up - and I agree it's a little confusing but it's not that James is pissed off. There's a weird delay after the song is finished and they turn the lights back on for intermission, but I think that happens at every show.
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All of this has me wondering what is next.
By the end of this tour, it will be a year since D/T came out and almost a year on the road with a few breaks in between. I don't think they will work on another album so soon. They will probably take a break until fall 2020 and then come back and give fans a tour with some of the songs they have yet to play or haven't in a long time (S2N, STR, TGP and other).
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That's just how they have this one set up - and I agree it's a little confusing but it's not that James is pissed off. There's a weird delay after the song is finished and they turn the lights back on for intermission, but I think that happens at every show.
Yea, there is definitely an odd start to intermission :lol
All of this has me wondering what is next.
By the end of this tour, it will be a year since D/T came out and almost a year on the road with a few breaks in between. I don't think they will work on another album so soon. They will probably take a break until fall 2020 and then come back and give fans a tour with some of the songs they have yet to play or haven't in a long time (S2N, STR, TGP and other).
Yea, I'd imagine a break and back to the studio. I'm not sure I see another NA tour before the new album since they've done two run throughs. But I can see them wanting to get back to the studio, I think they would want to keep things going after the success of D/T.
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That's just how they have this one set up - and I agree it's a little confusing but it's not that James is pissed off. There's a weird delay after the song is finished and they turn the lights back on for intermission, but I think that happens at every show.
Yea, there is definitely an odd start to intermission :lol
All of this has me wondering what is next.
By the end of this tour, it will be a year since D/T came out and almost a year on the road with a few breaks in between. I don't think they will work on another album so soon. They will probably take a break until fall 2020 and then come back and give fans a tour with some of the songs they have yet to play or haven't in a long time (S2N, STR, TGP and other).
Yea, I'd imagine a break and back to the studio. I'm not sure I see another NA tour before the new album since they've done two run throughs. But I can see them wanting to get back to the studio, I think they would want to keep things going after the success of D/T.
following on from what you just posted, here we can see Jordan's newest instrument which he apparently just bought: https://www.instagram.com/p/B3s3GyighJ4/ , he says he will use it on DT15. (which makes me think they may want to go back into the studio soon(ish), seeing as he mentioned DT15 already, and apparently James did as well. (some people here talked about James mentioning that during the announcements in concert, IIRC))
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following on from what you just posted, here we can see Jordan's newest instrument which he apparently just bought: https://www.instagram.com/p/B3s3GyighJ4/ , he says he will use it on DT15. (which makes me think they may want to go back into the studio soon(ish), seeing as he mentioned DT15 already, and apparently James did as well. (some people here talked about James mentioning that during the announcements in concert, IIRC))
That's interesting and a cool video. Maybe they will go into the studio next summer with a new album release early 2021.
Side note: I asked JR is he was planning to use his 8 string guitar on any DT material and he said no because his hand started hurting from playing :lol
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following on from what you just posted, here we can see Jordan's newest instrument which he apparently just bought: https://www.instagram.com/p/B3s3GyighJ4/ , he says he will use it on DT15. (which makes me think they may want to go back into the studio soon(ish), seeing as he mentioned DT15 already, and apparently James did as well. (some people here talked about James mentioning that during the announcements in concert, IIRC))
That's interesting and a cool video. Maybe they will go into the studio next summer with a new album release early 2021.
Side note: I asked JR is he was planning to use his 8 string guitar on any DT material and he said no because his hand started hurting from playing :lol
forgot to mention (sorry about that): IIRC, James mentioned going back to Yonderbarn for DT15. I may be wrong about that though (especially seeing as that the thread on "DTHQ" as it were came after I memorised the bit about James' concert announcements). Either way, I'm ready for DT15 already and have been ever since I finished listening to D/T for the first time.
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Like Max said, they have their own studio now, so it's probably easier for them to just get there and start writing/demoing something on the fly in between tour legs or something. It's not something they've done before, but it could work as a new approach this time around.
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That's just how they have this one set up - and I agree it's a little confusing but it's not that James is pissed off. There's a weird delay after the song is finished and they turn the lights back on for intermission, but I think that happens at every show.
That would be weird for a new-comer though.
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That's just how they have this one set up - and I agree it's a little confusing but it's not that James is pissed off. There's a weird delay after the song is finished and they turn the lights back on for intermission, but I think that happens at every show.
That would be weird for a new-comer though.
It was weird on my 20th time seeing them :lol Just found the "intermission" spot in my video from earlier this year if you aren't sure what we are talking about :lol https://youtu.be/IgmolHzv4j8?t=1795 (https://youtu.be/IgmolHzv4j8?t=1795)
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The set list was perfect last time around. I love that they added AWE this time. But even with the stated intent of playing separate markets, I think they should have made a few more changes to the non-SFAM part of the set. ITPOE and ANTR are fantastic, especially live. But I do feel that they could likely get more fans from nearby markets to come see them again if they changed up more of the set. I don't agree that they should have skipped the SFAM altogether. That is still a huge draw. But for the material supplementing it, I think they could have benefitted from changing things up more than they did.
" I love that they added AWE this time"
....immediately goes to Youtube..........
Did not know they added that. Love that song! The entire album is just incredible.
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The set list was perfect last time around. I love that they added AWE this time. But even with the stated intent of playing separate markets, I think they should have made a few more changes to the non-SFAM part of the set. ITPOE and ANTR are fantastic, especially live. But I do feel that they could likely get more fans from nearby markets to come see them again if they changed up more of the set. I don't agree that they should have skipped the SFAM altogether. That is still a huge draw. But for the material supplementing it, I think they could have benefitted from changing things up more than they did.
" I love that they added AWE this time"
....immediately goes to Youtube..........
Did not know they added that. Love that song! The entire album is just incredible.
I don't mind seeing the same set again just for that song.
Edit: Also, I get to see Paralyzed. Last time I got Fall Into The Light so thats a song I'm looking forward to as well.
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I'm very excited that they'll do a 2nd European leg with An Evening With / SFAM this january / february (with probably the same current setlist). I didn't have a chance to see them this past summer. But An Evening With is more joy than a relative short summerfestival setlist.
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Only looking forward to SFAM. The 1 setlist is overplayed and quite boring. Seen them 2 times this summer.
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I hope they'll do something special the 2nd London show
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Only looking forward to SFAM. The 1 setlist is overplayed and quite boring. Seen them 2 times this summer.
Overplayed? Not even one bit. ANTR and ITPOE pt.1 were only played on their respective album tours, and of course the D/T songs only played this tour. How could they be overplayed?
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Playing ANTR a couple times a decade would make it "overplayed."
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Only looking forward to set 1. Many songs from SFaM are overplayed. Seen them 2 times this summer.
FTFY
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They can play scenes 1-4 every show, but yeah I’m over seeing the rest of it.
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Scenes was my favorite part of the show and I loved seeing it played in its entirety. Not gonna lie, it seemed like playing the album was the most fun DT has had in years, they were so energetic. I loved the feel with the music during the intermission and the new screen projections. It was really cool. Actually, I think it would be even cooler to see it live during the Halloween season, it felt kinda spooky... that backdrop and everything.
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Only looking forward to SFAM. The 1 setlist is overplayed and quite boring. Seen them 2 times this summer.
Overplayed? Not even one bit. ANTR and ITPOE pt.1 were only played on their respective album tours, and of course the D/T songs only played this tour. How could they be overplayed?
yes since i have seen and heard these songs 2 times already this summer. ;)
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According to Setlist.fm, Fall Into The Light or Paralyzed weren't played at all. And tonights show in Texas got Fall Into The Light. Which means the Mesa show will get That song as well, sucks for me as I wanted to see Paralyzed.
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I know the set is basically the same as last time around, but I am really looking forward to seeing the band next week in Reno. This is such a great tour, and that is such a great venue.
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According to Setlist.fm, Fall Into The Light or Paralyzed weren't played at all. And tonights show in Texas got Fall Into The Light. Which means the Mesa show will get That song as well, sucks for me as I wanted to see Paralyzed.
I was at the San Antonio show last night and they played Paralyzed. James sounded awesome! I was just in front of the mixing board and they were even like "Our boy is killing it tonight". Those were their words LOL.
The show itself was great. The sound was way too loud but that is just the general trend in rock shows these days unfortunately. I did use the recommended earplugs from a few pages before but they weren't doing it for me. I got these:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B018WPOQSG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Holy smokes. I was a very happy camper. I could hear all of the instruments nice and clear (guitar was way upfront but that was the mix in general). I had a great time seeing them in this tour for the 2nd time (Austin last year). I just wanted to see AWE to be honest and it was worth it.
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I know the set is basically the same as last time around, but I am really looking forward to seeing the band next week in Reno. This is such a great tour, and that is such a great venue.
This venue is my favorite! Was just there again last weekend. Better than any I have been to. The sound is great, seats are comfy, new and clean. Last weekend at a concert there I even saw drink servers in the front row..Very excited for next Friday!! Anyone going should come the the Dream Theater USA pre-show meetup! Its right inside the Grand Sierra! Trivia contest, prizes including a limited edition orange vinyl. :eek https://www.facebook.com/events/497383141046023/
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I think I am probably going to get there right around the time doors open rather than coming early, or else I would love to. But we'll see what the schedule holds. It is going to be a VERY busy weekend, with little in the way of rest.
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I think I am probably going to get there right around the time doors open rather than coming early, or else I would love to. But we'll see what the schedule holds. It is going to be a VERY busy weekend, with little in the way of rest.
:'(. Sleep is overrated :lol
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According to Setlist.fm, Fall Into The Light or Paralyzed weren't played at all. And tonights show in Texas got Fall Into The Light. Which means the Mesa show will get That song as well, sucks for me as I wanted to see Paralyzed.
I was at the San Antonio show last night and they played Paralyzed. James sounded awesome! I was just in front of the mixing board and they were even like "Our boy is killing it tonight". Those were their words LOL.
The show itself was great. The sound was way too loud but that is just the general trend in rock shows these days unfortunately. I did use the recommended earplugs from a few pages before but they weren't doing it for me. I got these:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B018WPOQSG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Holy smokes. I was a very happy camper. I could hear all of the instruments nice and clear (guitar was way upfront but that was the mix in general). I had a great time seeing them in this tour for the 2nd time (Austin last year). I just wanted to see AWE to be honest and it was worth it.
Setlist.fm has been updated 32 min. ago with the change. Yay, looks like we'll get Paralyzed tomorrow.
I'm seeing this show again because of At Wits End and it's a good set that I enjoyed last time.
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According to Setlist.fm, Fall Into The Light or Paralyzed weren't played at all. And tonights show in Texas got Fall Into The Light. Which means the Mesa show will get That song as well, sucks for me as I wanted to see Paralyzed.
I was at the San Antonio show last night and they played Paralyzed. James sounded awesome! I was just in front of the mixing board and they were even like "Our boy is killing it tonight". Those were their words LOL.
The show itself was great. The sound was way too loud but that is just the general trend in rock shows these days unfortunately. I did use the recommended earplugs from a few pages before but they weren't doing it for me. I got these:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B018WPOQSG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Holy smokes. I was a very happy camper. I could hear all of the instruments nice and clear (guitar was way upfront but that was the mix in general). I had a great time seeing them in this tour for the 2nd time (Austin last year). I just wanted to see AWE to be honest and it was worth it.
Setlist.fm has been updated 32 min. ago with the change.
It was me, after reading goo-goo's post here :lol
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OMG...
Seeing At Wits End live was amazing. Almost cried during the build-up at the end.
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OMG...
Seeing At Wits End live was amazing. Almost cried during the build-up at the end.
Can't wait. And A Nightmare To Remember again. :metal
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OMG...
Seeing At Wits End live was amazing. Almost cried during the build-up at the end.
Can't wait. And A Nightmare To Remember again. :metal
Nightmare was also a good song to see again. LaBrie actually sounded good. Hitting the notes and doing other vocal modifications.
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I kinda wish they'd pull 137 out on the tour. They were through it instrumentally during soundcheck last leg, and I hadn't peeked at the set list, so I was actually surprised they didn't play it during the show. MM was messing around with the drum beat for it, and JP said, "OK, we can run through the beginning." Then they ended up playing the whole thing, and he laughed afterward and said "OK, I guess we're running through a bit more than the beginning."
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I kinda wish they'd pull 137 out on the tour. They were through it instrumentally during soundcheck last leg, and I hadn't peeked at the set list, so I was actually surprised they didn't play it during the show. MM was messing around with the drum beat for it, and JP said, "OK, we can run through the beginning." Then they ended up playing the whole thing, and he laughed afterward and said "OK, I guess we're running through a bit more than the beginning."
:rollin
1 week countdown.... :chill....no way...
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I kinda wish they'd pull 137 out on the tour. They were through it instrumentally during soundcheck last leg, and I hadn't peeked at the set list, so I was actually surprised they didn't play it during the show. MM was messing around with the drum beat for it, and JP said, "OK, we can run through the beginning." Then they ended up playing the whole thing, and he laughed afterward and said "OK, I guess we're running through a bit more than the beginning."
I wish they would've too. Swapped it with Paralyzed and Fall Into The Light.
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Considering they already went to Europe this year for the festivals run, it wouldn't be too crazy to expect a major set 1 change for their European leg next year... right?
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Considering they already went to Europe this year for the festivals run, it wouldn't be too crazy to expect a major set 1 change for their European leg next year... right?
Well...they didn't make any changes to the first set between the two U.S. legs, so....yeah, probably shouldn't expect much of anything.
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I kinda wish they'd pull 137 out on the tour. They were through it instrumentally during soundcheck last leg, and I hadn't peeked at the set list, so I was actually surprised they didn't play it during the show. MM was messing around with the drum beat for it, and JP said, "OK, we can run through the beginning." Then they ended up playing the whole thing, and he laughed afterward and said "OK, I guess we're running through a bit more than the beginning."
Ooooh man, so why haven't they played it yet??? That's too bad :-\
I love 137 and I think it'd work really well live!
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OMG...
Seeing At Wits End live was amazing. Almost cried during the build-up at the end.
I'm so glad I didn't have that song spoiled. I was hoping for it and then thought they weren't going to do it as the encore, and then they played it. :)
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Considering they already went to Europe this year for the festivals run, it wouldn't be too crazy to expect a major set 1 change for their European leg next year... right?
Well...they didn't make any changes to the first set between the two U.S. legs, so....yeah, probably shouldn't expect much of anything.
Touché.
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OMG...
Seeing At Wits End live was amazing. Almost cried during the build-up at the end.
I'm so glad I didn't have that song spoiled. I was hoping for it and then thought they weren't going to do it as the encore, and then they played it. :)
I agree, always thought AWE made sense for the encore. Great irony in James' final lines of the piece combined with it being the encore. Great extension for the end too IMHO. (and I didn't want to hear PMU again for this tour to be completely honest:D , I heard what I consider the definitive version of PMU on the I/W 2.0 tour in 2017)
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Maybe it's me, but AWE doesn't strike me as a great closing song - not just for the first set, but for the whole show especially. At the very least, they should've swapped it with PBD, which is a much better closing song. AWE seems best to sit in the middle of a set, IMO.
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Maybe it's me, but AWE doesn't strike me as a great closing song - not just for the first set, but for the whole show especially. At the very least, they should've swapped it with PBD, which is a much better closing song. AWE seems best to sit in the middle of a set, IMO.
PBD was a great closer for set 1 and would work well at the end! It’s a definitive end track and after it played out everyone needed a break. Hope it sticks around.
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Maybe it's me, but AWE doesn't strike me as a great closing song - not just for the first set, but for the whole show especially. At the very least, they should've swapped it with PBD, which is a much better closing song. AWE seems best to sit in the middle of a set, IMO.
Yeah, I feel the same. Which is why I posted before they started the leg that I wondered whether they would tweak the set a bit by changing the order a bit. I was thinking exactly what you posted about putting PBD in the encore spot.
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Maybe it's me, but AWE doesn't strike me as a great closing song - not just for the first set, but for the whole show especially. At the very least, they should've swapped it with PBD, which is a much better closing song. AWE seems best to sit in the middle of a set, IMO.
TBH, when I first listened to AWE, I thought it would make a great encore/closer to a set. After seeing it live, I agree with you. Also, I was surprised to see the lack of energy from the crowd when they started playing AWE. It seems I was the only one excited from my section.
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I certainly don't think there is anything wrong with it being the show closer. Especially for a band like DT who don't shy away from playing anything in their discography and who regularly make rather "unconventional" decisions about where songs are placed in a set list. But, yeah, I think that they have a stronger choice of a closer in their current list of songs being played.
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Don’t want to start a new thread, but DT just posted this video on YouTube.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tH97GFoGAzI
Makes me wonder if the DVD will include backstage footage.
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Next tour should be called Epic Tour. Songs off the newest album and a combination of Voices, Lines in the Sand (although not a fave of mine), The Glass Prison, In The Name of God, The Count of Tuscany. Encore would be OV. Throw in something not played yet like Surrender to Reason.
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Next tour should be called Epic Tour. Songs off the newest album and a combination of Voices, Lines in the Sand (although not a fave of mine), The Glass Prison, In The Name of God, The Count of Tuscany. Encore would be OV. Throw in something not played yet like Surrender to Reason.
:o
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Next tour should be called Epic Tour. Songs off the newest album and a combination of Voices, Lines in the Sand (although not a fave of mine), The Glass Prison, In The Name of God, The Count of Tuscany. Encore would be OV. Throw in something not played yet like Surrender to Reason.
I've been dreaming with something like this too for a while, a set only with the epic ones!! I'd include In The Presence of Enemies part 1 and 2.
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A FB post with a picture from last nights concert shows JP in the audience, sitting and playing during the performance :o
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Geemo, how was Reno?
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Geemo, how was Reno?
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=54282.msg2598109#msg2598109
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I didn't make the fan meetup (3:00 p.m. start time 2 hours from home isn't very doable on a weekday), but from everything I saw and heard, she ran it like a champ and people were thrilled. I grabbed dinner at the CA Pizza Kitchen just before the show and ran into some guys that had been there, and they were VERY complimentary. And then I got to see her in action during the after show meet-up, and she was doing a great job with the fans she got to escort in.
As for the show, it was fantastic. The band is really dialed in at this point. I know some don't like them playing to a click track. And I get the arguments for that. But seeing this show for the second time now (I saw them in SF on the first leg), I like the consistency that we get. And I talked to the band a bit about it, and here's the thing: Most if not all of them really LIKE having the click to keep them synced up.
If I had to find one thing to be critical about, it's just that I wish they'd stop playing seated venues. Thankfully, the first few rows (which included where I was) stood up for both sets once the band came out and started playing. But most of the venue sat, even the few times when James and JP tried to get them to stand.
A comment on At Wit's End: It's my favorite on d/t, and I was super happy when JP told me they would be adding it in for this leg. But at the same time, I wasn't sure how well it would work in a live setting. Sometimes, a song is great on an album, but fizzles out live. And it's hard to tell from YouTube clips. You just can't feel the energy and catch all the nuances as being there live. Having seen it myself now, I can say it DEFINITELY works. It was the highlight of the show for me. One indicator of how well it worked is this: After the lights came up, and people were filing out of the theater, people were still singing the "Don't leave me now" part all over the theater. And same thing for the next 20 minutes or so for those of us waiting for the after show. People kept spontaneously singing it. I think it goes without saying that people liked it. It was a really great moment.
More later...
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I was just asking about the show because I knew she was excited for it. I had no idea that she had some kind of official role with the band. That's really cool!
I'm glad you enjoyed the show so much and especially At Wit's End. I too had it in my head after the shows I saw. I think it's really fantastic on the album and live maybe even better. Or at least equally as good.
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Lol! I dont' know how official I am - just lucky that DT USA asked me to host a pre-show meet up in my town! I guess almost 4 years of being way too interested in a rock band has a reward! :rollin. One of the really fun parts was that the restaurant let me play music. I brought a speaker and of course played DT - how often do we get to hang with others in a party setting (aside from a concert) and everyone is rocking to DT! Great times!
I love all their music and the 1st set is wonderful. I would have other preferences from the new album, but really it doesn't matter because all of their music is good. I have to say though, when In the Presence of Enemies 1 finishes, I really want to hear part 2.... Pale Blue Dot really is a great concert song!! John Petrucci told me when I asked him, - "When you are making a record, do you finish a certain song and go "shit!, that's the bomb, that's it!!" - he said, "well, we try to do that with every song... :biggrin:, but ya Pale Blue Dot for this one." I also asked him if he has to relearn every song for each tour or are there some that they have played so many times like Spirit, that he remembers. He said "No! and I get pretty angry and have to practice a lot." (paraphrase)
Seeing Scenes multiple times is no issue - that album just kicks butt. James sings it great every time and the songs are all just the Best. (who could not Love Home live!!) And yes, At Wit's End does not disappoint!!
John Myung I asked about the "wheel" in S2N - it is the earth - the earth keeps spinning with all of it's crap and we kind of have to accept it and hop on. I had to lean in soo much to hear him (and I am taller than him - actually then all of them - they are short) so night have missed more of the nuances that he was sharing. He talked quite a bit.
Jordan came a shook my and my son's hand. We chatted and he moved along.
James is my fave! :yarr He is so chatty and friendly. I asked about the lyrics to Far From Heaven. I had read they were about a kids point of view to parents and how I related to that. Then he told me he was misquoted and it was about a movie with that same name and a about husband and wife and he is a homosexual and is suffering. Then we talked a bit more.
I am going to London to see them.. I am hoping some here can help me with what area is good to stay in - near or not to the venue, and how is public transportation?? I have to make up for lost time seeing them as much as I can before it is done..... :'(
Thanks for the forum!
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I had to lean in soo much to hear him (and I am taller than him - actually then all of them - they are short) so night have missed more of the nuances that he was sharing. He talked quite a bit.
This cannot be stressed enough.
The first time I met the band, I was tempted to fold up Mangini and take him home with me.
My kids talked me down.
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James is my fave! :yarr He is so chatty and friendly. I asked about the lyrics to Far From Heaven. I had read they were about a kids point of view to parents and how I related to that. Then he told me he was misquoted and it was about a movie with that same name and a about husband and wife and he is a homosexual and is suffering. Then we talked a bit more.
Ah that's really awesome! Also had to laugh at Petrucci practicing and getting angry, I'll make sure to mention it to my husband when he can't nail down a solo he recorded years ago :lol
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Sounds like the show was totally awesome. And you had a great after show experience. :)
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James is my fave! :yarr He is so chatty and friendly. I asked about the lyrics to Far From Heaven. I had read they were about a kids point of view to parents and how I related to that. Then he told me he was misquoted and it was about a movie with that same name and a about husband and wife and he is a homosexual and is suffering. Then we talked a bit more.
Except that James talked about Far from heaven being written from a kid's point of view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuw-25y6GC4
It's not a surprise, though. Many lyricists want to mess with us by sharing different interpretations of their own words. Bruce Dickinson for example described Out of the shadows as being about giving birth but also being about waking up from a nightmare.
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Cool show in Omaha last night and it was Jordan's birthday! Still wish they would have played S2N rather than NTR.
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James is my fave! :yarr He is so chatty and friendly. I asked about the lyrics to Far From Heaven. I had read they were about a kids point of view to parents and how I related to that. Then he told me he was misquoted and it was about a movie with that same name and a about husband and wife and he is a homosexual and is suffering. Then we talked a bit more.
Except that James talked about Far from heaven being written from a kid's point of view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuw-25y6GC4
It's not a surprise, though. Many lyricists want to mess with us by sharing different interpretations of their own words. Bruce Dickinson for example described Out of the shadows as being about giving birth but also being about waking up from a nightmare.
Well, either way I will feel like crying :'( :). I love how DT makes me feel so much.. Don't really get that from Metallica..
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=radAP9eOw5A
JBL sounds amazing
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Yes, he does sound great on the studio version.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=radAP9eOw5A
JBL sounds amazing
they make great speakers. Joking aside, yes, I love him on the entire album.
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The show in Cincinnati last night was fantastic. It looked pretty full, and, although it is a seated venue, the entire orchestra level stood for both sets. I was near the front, on JM's side of the stage. When JP came over at the end passing out picks, I pointed to my son, and JP made sure he got a pick to him.
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The new white ones are pretty cool.
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I found out that jingle.boy was at the show last night, a few rows from me. But he said he doesn't visit this side of the forum, so I guess we can talk about him and he'll never know?
He totally said that Voyager is the best band ever....
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I saw on reddit that it looks like there was some major medical issue with a kid in the lobby during the beginning of the show. Anyone know anything about it?
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I saw on reddit that it looks like there was some major medical issue with a kid in the lobby during the beginning of the show. Anyone know anything about it?
I was there but didn’t see anything . The weather was so bad that I thought the show Might be cancelled . If there was a medical emergency , the weather would have slowed down prompt medical service severely .
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I found out that jingle.boy was at the show last night, a few rows from me. But he said he doesn't visit this side of the forum, so I guess we can talk about him and he'll never know?
He totally said that Voyager is the best band ever....
I think he mostly goes to shows to sit in restroom stalls and tap his foot in a specific manner to anyone who sits next to him.
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I found out that jingle.boy was at the show last night, a few rows from me. But he said he doesn't visit this side of the forum, so I guess we can talk about him and he'll never know?
He totally said that Voyager is the best band ever....
Did he get sick and have to miss the end of the show?
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I found out that jingle.boy was at the show last night, a few rows from me. But he said he doesn't visit this side of the forum, so I guess we can talk about him and he'll never know?
He totally said that Voyager is the best band ever....
Did he get sick and have to miss the end of the show?
Probably - that's probably the real reason he didn't say hi after the show ended; he just wasn't there. :)
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:lol
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Also heard that he's a huge fan of Haken. ;)
But back to the Kitchener show - it was great. James had a cold and you could hear it in his voice when he was talking, but he pulled out a great set - on the whole. The rest of the band was fantastic as usual. Seemed like quite a few people traveled for the show and it was nice. (The weather wasn't so nice though.)
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Would it be too crazy to expect another change to the first set/encore for the SA dates next week? Btw,they also announced Japan dates for May 2020.
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Would it be too crazy to expect another change to the first set/encore for the SA dates next week?
It's possible, especially since Bosk did comment that there was at least one other song that he knows they soundchecked (IIRC). Still, I wouldn't bank on it since this is their first (and probably only) time through SA on this tour. I'd expect any additional changes to the setlist will happen for the second European leg.
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On that note, I have been wondering about this for the 2nd show in London when they are filming. I will be at that show. :metal Would they do a couple more from D/T to have options? That also would go along with Bosk's comment.
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On that note, I have been wondering about this for the 2nd show in London when they are filming. I will be at that show. :metal Would they do a couple more from D/T to have options? That also would go along with Bosk's comment.
I would hope they do. If they add S2N and R137 and rotate them each night like the do with FITL and Paralyzed, we would have most of the album represented on the live recording. They could even fit Out of Reach too if they wanted to. Getting a good live version of Peruvian Skies (which they've played this year) wouldn't hurt either. The main issue here is that SFAM will be played in full for both nights and that limits the other options a lot, and IMO we don't really need another full album live release of Scenes.
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On that note, I have been wondering about this for the 2nd show in London when they are filming. I will be at that show. :metal Would they do a couple more from D/T to have options? That also would go along with Bosk's comment.
I would hope they do. If they add S2N and R137 and rotate them each night like the do with FITL and Paralyzed, we would have most of the album represented on the live recording. They could even fit Out of Reach too if they wanted to. Getting a good live version of Peruvian Skies (which they've played this year) wouldn't hurt either. The main issue here is that SFAM will be played in full for both nights and that limits the other options a lot, and IMO we don't really need another full album live release of Scenes.
It definitely would be cool to do this similar to the Live at Luna Park DVD.
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On that note, I have been wondering about this for the 2nd show in London when they are filming. I will be at that show. :metal Would they do a couple more from D/T to have options? That also would go along with Bosk's comment.
I would hope they do. If they add S2N and R137 and rotate them each night like the do with FITL and Paralyzed, we would have most of the album represented on the live recording. T hey could even fit Out of Reach too if they wanted to. Getting a good live version of Peruvian Skies (which they've played this year) wouldn't hurt either. The main issue here is that SFAM will be played in full for both nights and that limits the other options a lot, and IMO we don't really need another full album live release of Scenes.
I think to add S2N rotating with R137 (or Surrender to Reason) to the first set would be perfect in terms to add a bit more time and representativeness to the show without dragging it.
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Fun fact: After the first few tour dates of 2020, TSCO will be the 3rd most played DT song ever (after PMU and Metropolis), according to setlist.fm.
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What's in that position currently?
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I would guess Under A Glass Moon. Or Learning To Live.
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Currently:
1. Pull Me Under
2. Metropolis Pt. 1
3. Take the Time
4. Under a Glass Moon
5. Surrounded
6. The Spirit Carries On
TSCO needs to be played only 9 more times (which it will, and more) to get to spot 3. It'll also be the first non IAW song to make it to the top 5.
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Current most played songs (according to Setlist.com):
1) Pull me under :787
2) Metropolis : 639
3) Take the time: 530
4) UAGM : 529
5) surrounded : 523
6) TSCO : 522
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This is really fascinating. I would have guessed As I Am would have been in the top 5.
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If it was, that would be a case of “one of these is not like the others”.
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This is really fascinating. I would have guessed As I Am would have been in the top 5.
Don't forget, the I&W tunes got a head start as all were played every night on that tour.
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Very true. I'm going to have some fun digging through these stats when I have a few minutes.
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I am assuming this is the list:
https://www.setlist.fm/stats/dream-theater-bd6a102.html
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I still can't believe they've only done Disappear twice. Depressing fate for such a great song
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Any change for the south America tour?
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Any change for the south America tour?
Looks the same from the Dreamfest last night, kind of crazy they did the full two sets at a show with Killswitch engage, Rhapsody, and Sabaton opening for them. One hell of a bill if you ask me.
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It's interesting to see TSCO have such a high count in comparison to so many other songs in their catalog. But it is worth noting that those numbers are only in reference to songs that were played completely through (or nearly so). If you were to factor in the different medleys that have been performed in the past (which are for the most part considered separate entities on setlist.fm), the number counts for the top 20 songs would look like this:
1. Pull Me Under - 946
2. Metropolis Pt. 1 - 844
3. Learning to Live - 616
4. Take the Time - 602
5. Under a Glass Moon - 601
6. Surrounded - 523
7. The Spirit Carries On - 522
8. Another Day - 436
9. Strange Déjà Vu - 421
10. Lie - 420
11. As I Am - 383
12. Fatal Tragedy - 371
13. Home - 360
14. Peruvian Skies - 356
14. Wait for Sleep - 356
16. The Ytse Jam - 355
17. The Dance of Eternity - 352
18. The Mirror - 326
19. Voices - 307
20. Overture 1928 - 304
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Okay, but it shouldn't count in the ledger if only part of the song is played, although I see that long songs indexed by parts are sometimes listed that way, similar to how the song count for Rush lists the 7 parts from 2112 individually, for example.
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They also played the Pull Me Under/Metropolis (Pullmetropolis) medley quite a bit, which is counted as a separate song in setlist.fm, that adds to the count for both.
I think those two will remain the top 2 played songs for the rest of their career.
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They also played the Pull Me Under/Metropolis (Pullmetropolis) medley quite a bit, which is counted as a separate song in setlist.fm, that adds to the count for both.
I included that medley when factoring in the adjusted song counts. ;)
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Any change for the south America tour?
None. Same set from recent US tour.
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They played Octavarium 60 times. Shoulda dropped it from 2 shows... For the Nuggetz
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They played Octavarium 60 times. Shoulda dropped it from 2 shows... For the Nuggetz
Let's not give them reasons to not play it though
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I mean... They need to play it 98 more times and then I'd be happy with the Nugget.
Or. 9 more times. Because I have the humor of a teenager.
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or 25 more times, then there's your other nugget (85)
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Or. 9 more times. Because I have the humor of a teenager.
:lol ill take this, just need to be at one of those shows
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Yes!
It is one on my DT bucket list. Along with ACOS, which I won't ever get the chance to see.
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Yes!
It is one on my DT bucket list. Along with ACOS, which I won't ever get the chance to see.
I've heard DT play it twice, once on the Met2 tour in 2000 (on my first ever DT concert no less) and once on the I/W 2.0 tour in 2017. I loved it both times although the 2017 version was a lot better IMHO. Either way, given that I remember both concerts very well, I had always been exuberantly happy when I heard JP play the first notes. Then and now. In short, you could have seen ACOS if you had attended the I/W 2.0 tour. I guess you couldn't. (which is sad because you missed a great one, IMHO)
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Drum cam on ANTR:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1etSaKbasRo&feature=youtu.be
YouTube comment: “ 4:25 Blast beat advanced level, 4:32 Blast beat Mangini level!...” ;D :metal
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:lol
That was awesome!
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Man, I don’t understand how his arms don’t get tired with his cymbals that high up 😂
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Man, I don’t understand how his arms don’t get tired with his cymbals that high up 😂
...or, ya know, just in general.
The dude is a monster and as a non-drummer, i love watching the dude play.
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Awesome! I always enjoy seeing videos of him playing
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There is another one for PBD
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-bJxHrrHinU
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There is another one for PBD
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-bJxHrrHinU
Thanks! What a great drum composition... And, that finale, genius ;D
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That is sick.
JM seems quite into it.
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What an incredible drummer Mike is. I really hope he keeps putting out stuff like this, as the mixes (especially of the older albums) don't do his composition and playing justice.
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Yeah these couple drum cam videos are great, he should definitely post more of them.
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There is another one for PBD
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-bJxHrrHinU
"Video has been removed by the user"
I really hope he didn't take it down to negative comments. I read his facebook post questioning whether he should do these, but I hadn't yet watched it but I kind of felt like he should just do it and not worry about the feedback. He mentioned the feedback he always gets for being robotic or not being MP. It seems like that stuff really gets to him, which I understand, but I really wish it wouldn't make him not want to do cool stuff like this. It's not a video for me, as I am clueless whenever I hear him talk music, but he's such a talented drummer and dumb comments should not stop him from sharing what he loves. I hope that's not the reason for the takedown.
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There is another one for PBD
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-bJxHrrHinU
"Video has been removed by the user"
I really hope he didn't take it down to negative comments. I read his facebook post questioning whether he should do these, but I hadn't yet watched it but I kind of felt like he should just do it and not worry about the feedback. He mentioned the feedback he always gets for being robotic or not being MP. It seems like that stuff really gets to him, which I understand, but I really wish it wouldn't make him not want to do cool stuff like this. It's not a video for me, as I am clueless whenever I hear him talk music, but he's such a talented drummer and dumb comments should not stop him from sharing what he loves. I hope that's not the reason for the takedown.
Strange, the link changed for some reason. Here is the new link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOv6ssD_xow
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Observations:
- He hit a bum note about 5:23 (I'm kidding; he was waving his arms and tapped the cymbal);
- Cool how Uncle Fester showed up like Eddie at the 5:00 mark;
- I used to work construction, so it's interesting to watch videos of guys on excavators and you can tell when someone knows what they're doing. Or cooking shows, or mechanic videos. But it's purely an admiration for skill/craft, there's no emotional involvement in it. While I look at that and I say "wow, I could practice for 12 hours a day from now until 2112 and never be able to do that", there's no connection to it. I'm so sorry, I should probably keep that to myself, but it's how I feel.
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There is another one for PBD
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-bJxHrrHinU
"Video has been removed by the user"
I really hope he didn't take it down to negative comments. I read his facebook post questioning whether he should do these, but I hadn't yet watched it but I kind of felt like he should just do it and not worry about the feedback. He mentioned the feedback he always gets for being robotic or not being MP. It seems like that stuff really gets to him, which I understand, but I really wish it wouldn't make him not want to do cool stuff like this. It's not a video for me, as I am clueless whenever I hear him talk music, but he's such a talented drummer and dumb comments should not stop him from sharing what he loves. I hope that's not the reason for the takedown.
Strange, the link changed for some reason. Here is the new link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOv6ssD_xow
If I remember correctly, he had to re-upload it.
These videos really show off the musicality of his kit. I don't really think we can tell a difference when we hear it through the speakers, but here you can tell. It's very musical.
Also, JM head-banging is so weird, he's very animated in that video. I think this is the first tour since MM joined that the fun is palpable and that they're all having a blast. Even JLB is staying out front more this tour. I vividly remember him standing behind the kit on the riser during the entire ANTR solo just head banging. It was cool to see
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Observations:
- He hit a bum note about 5:23 (I'm kidding; he was waving his arms and tapped the cymbal);
- Cool how Uncle Fester showed up like Eddie at the 5:00 mark;
- I used to work construction, so it's interesting to watch videos of guys on excavators and you can tell when someone knows what they're doing. Or cooking shows, or mechanic videos. But it's purely an admiration for skill/craft, there's no emotional involvement in it. While I look at that and I say "wow, I could practice for 12 hours a day from now until 2112 and never be able to do that", there's no connection to it. I'm so sorry, I should probably keep that to myself, but it's how I feel.
If you can't get that down by 2112, you must really suck! :biggrin:
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Tonight I'm going to DT in Amsterdam. Maybe some sort of homage to Neil Peart?
MH
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Tonight I'm going to DT in Amsterdam. Maybe some sort of homage to Neil Peart?
MH
That's what a lot of people are suggesting on their social media pages. We'll see what happens.. I'll be there too!
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Tonight I'm going to DT in Amsterdam. Maybe some sort of homage to Neil Peart?
MH
That's what a lot of people are suggesting on their social media pages. We'll see what happens.. I'll be there too!
I think that, at least, they'll acknowledge it before TSCO, but adding a Rush song would be a very special thing.
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Maybe they'll add his name to one of the tombstones during Through Her Eyes.
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Let's just hope that it will be better than their Chris Cornell tribute. ;D
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Tonight I'm going to DT in Amsterdam. Maybe some sort of homage to Neil Peart?
MH
That's what a lot of people are suggesting on their social media pages. We'll see what happens.. I'll be there too!
Btw, please let us know if there are any setlist changes and/or a tribute to Neil Peart.
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Tribute to Neil: 30 seconds silence. Brought me to tears 😭🙏
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I almost forgot I wasn't supposed to watch this thread, as I am trying to avoid spoilers in case there are changes in the set - I will be seeing the band in a month.
However, I am glad there was a tribute. Kudos to DT.
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Tribute to Neil: 30 seconds silence. Brought me to tears 😭🙏
AND his name on a headstone during Through Her Eyes
:tup :tup
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Any setlist change?
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Not according to Setlist FM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/Rush_A_Farewell_to_Kings.jpg
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Second tombstone read “Peart”.
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That's a shame. I don't think DT handles this setlist thing well. And If they record this exact setlist for a DVD that would be another waste. There is a chance to perform at least all songs from DoT for a DVD and you don't play. Sad to know S2N and Out Of Reach don't see the stage light.
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I really like the current setlist, there are no repeats from the 2017 tour which would be the last time most people saw them and the only repeats from the 2014 setlist are the Scenes songs which make sense. My wishes to make it even better would be really unlikely to happen or just plain unreasonable. For example, I'd get rid of Untethered Angel because I'm not a big fan of it and to make room for another new song in the first set but they're not going to change their opener / drop the lead single. If I want to be really optimistic I'd say that maybe the London shows might get extended slightly to fit more onto the live release but it's not especially likely.
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Not according to Setlist FM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/Rush_A_Farewell_to_Kings.jpg
I can confirm that this setlist is correct, yes.
That's a shame. I don't think DT handles this setlist thing well.
I agree, frankly, and this partly has to do with me not caring for A Nightmare to Remember at all, so that's basically 25% of the first set gone. That said, it feels silly to call this tour the 'Distance Over Time Tour' when you're playing SFAM in its entirety. I kind of think DT should stop dong this sort of thing (play albums in full) and go back to putting together random setlists spanning all albums. I was checking out the setlist I got for ADTOE tour and that one was a lot more varied, which was fun. The band have a pretty diverse back catalogue to choose from, so seeing 4 DoT songs, one each from SC and BC&SL and all of SFAM is probably not the best way to go.
That said, seeing SFAM in its entirety was awesome and it was the reason I got the ticket to be honest, but a little more spontaneity wouldn't hurt.
And If they record this exact setlist for a DVD that would be another waste.
They're going to record the London show for a DVD, apparently.
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Edit: Not the right time to post what I did, so I removed it.
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I can confirm that this setlist is correct, yes.
Did the 2h 45min schedule hold? Seeing them next weekend.
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Yes, including a 10-15 minute break.
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Damn, what a night.
John Petrucci, as always and ESPECIALLY this tour or so it seems: Guitar playing and sound ON FIRE. Brace yourselves.
JLB; so many unforced errors in the first set, he’s all over the place pitch-wise and sometimes his voice just gave up. But then the SFAM set was remarkably steady and powerful. Just have to be 100% honest and I know it was the first show of the tour. Great show and the best I’ve heard MM with DT sonically. Paralyzed was a total banger. :metal
Proud to be a part of the DT family 🤘
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What time did they start playing? Seeing them next Saturday and staying with a friend so trying to figure out my schedule
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What time did they start playing? Seeing them next Saturday and staying with a friend so trying to figure out my schedule
We're going to the same show then :lol The likely start is between 20:00 and 20:30 because it's almost a 3 hour concert.
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What time did they start playing? Seeing them next Saturday and staying with a friend so trying to figure out my schedule
It depends on the venue I guess. Yesterday in Amsterdam they started at 20:00, tonight in Oberhausen the first set will start at 20:30.
According to the schedule the organizers posted the concert will last 2 hours and 45 minutes (including a 15 minute break between the two sets). Hope this helps.
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Thanks to both of you. I belive you're right
Luoto, yeah that's cool :D Seen them twice in Helsinki but Oulu is way closer right now
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I almost forgot I wasn't supposed to watch this thread, as I am trying to avoid spoilers in case there are changes in the set - I will be seeing the band in a month.
However, I am glad there was a tribute. Kudos to DT.
Budapest? I will be there with my girlfriend. I'm kind of busy right now (hence low activity here lately) but figured this is probably once in a lifetime opportunity to hear my favorite album of all times live, good thing it's on Saturday.
BTW I like ANTR but IMO it's too long, would like to hear 2 or 3 other songs instead...
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JP quotes the main theme of Closer To The Heart here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mv-FDkjMwc
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JP quotes the main theme of Closer To The Heart here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mv-FDkjMwc
Timestamp? I don't think I can sit through that whole video with that sound the way it is.
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He did do that indeed :)
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JP quotes the main theme of Closer To The Heart here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mv-FDkjMwc
Timestamp?
9:02
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JP quotes the main theme of Closer To The Heart here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mv-FDkjMwc
Timestamp?
9:02
That’s cool. I would’ve wish the rest of the band or at least Jordan would’ve joined in but it was cool nonetheless.
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MP would've been right on that! :P
Seems like MM had no clue at first. :lol
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Maybe Mike was just a little stunned; I could easily imagine that happening.
The moment of silence was really powerful and it's nice JP threw that in at the end.
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It just seemed like he wasn’t sure if JP wanted to play the song or just play the intro.
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Review from a newspaper in Amsterdam.
https://www.volkskrant.nl/cultuur-media/dream-theater-is-soms-hemels-mooi-maar-vocaal-ontoereikend~b762ed83/
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I clicked the above link, did a Dutch to English translate, and got their cookie info. Then clicked on the 'hier' to get to the article, but have no clue where it is.
Care to help, please?
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I clicked the above link, did a Dutch to English translate, and got their cookie info. Then clicked on the 'hier' to get to the article, but have no clue where it is.
Care to help, please?
Dream Theater is sometimes heavenly beautiful but vocally inadequate ★★★ ☆☆
What is the guitar in the hands of John Petrucci an angel instrument: sometimes beautiful and sparklingly beautiful, then again flaming and strict. The American progmetal band Dream Theater is pretty much built around the same dualism. The men play complicated, opera-like rock with poetic, sometimes enigmatic texts about the human condition.
In the keyboards, the different time signature and the hammering arpeggios you can always hear the progrock tradition, from Emerson, Lake and Palmer to Yes. But Dream Theater can also bite with hard, deliciously sucking metal riffs, which are elevated to art in the interplay of Petrucci with wonder bassist John Myung and drummer Mike Mangini, one of the fastest drummers in the world.
Dream Theater has been a band for music technicians since its foundation in the late 1980s. Last year the album Distance over Time was released , which reaches out to a somewhat less imported audience. The Afas Live also runs full for those fresh songs on Saturday evening, in addition to the obligatory mountain of old work. It is not disappointing: catchy sing-along metal tracks such as Paralyzed and Untethered Angel sound good. Especially thanks to that crystal-clear guitar from Petrucci, which can play so emotionally and melodically and then tear away again at splintering solos.
Unfortunately, Dream Theater is also plagued by problems. James LaBrie's voice is insufficient for the musical splendor of his bandmates. He sings wretchedly, in a limited register. And at the detailed commemoration of the record Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory , which appeared twenty years ago, gives LaBrie epic songs like Home a somewhat ugly hatch. That's a shame, because musically Dream Theater plays wonderfully beautiful for almost three hours, for heart and head, with a razor-sharp hall sound. We must be honest: that is actually enough for a heartwarming rock evening.
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Thank you.
And, 'Wow!?!'...."wretchedly"....?
Bad night? He certainly wasn't that way in DC and Baltimore last year.
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Labries voice is "toured" do death, The band is touring way to much to be consistent every show, it is fatigue and james suffers The most. Amsterdam and Germany he was very bad
Its not good for James to start with UA as a opener. Hard to sing.
Hopefully it will be better next week :smiley:
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Labries voice is "toured" do death, The band is touring way to much to be consistent every show, it is fatigue and james suffers The most. Amsterdam and Germany he was very bad
Its not good for James to start with UA as a opener. Hard to sing.
Hopefully it will be better next week :smiley:
I went to the Oberhausen show yesterday and I just can't agree with this. I agree he was struggling with some of the new songs (UA being the best example), especially the higher notes. The older songs (both the regular set and SFAM) were very good if not great. I've seen them live five times over the last few years and he never sounded better to my ears.
In addition to his vocal perfomance I really liked the energy he put into the show and the interaction with the other guys.
Me and my brother had a fantastic evening with SFAM being our main reason to travel to Germany on a Sunday evening.
The sound was very good (also very loud, even with earprotection) and well balanced with honorable mention for Mangini drumsound. So much better compared to the albums, especially his snare. They should really hire Nolly Getgood for the next album ;)
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The comments on UA are interesting to me. Last time I saw them, James seemed to struggle with it a bit as well. But then after that, he was great. Don't get me wrong--he wasn't "bad" by any stretch on that one. I would compare it to LSFNY. On that disk, James sounds to me like he is struggling just a bit to find his power and control on the first couple of songs. But then about 3 or 4 songs in, he sounds great. I have always felt like it was just a case of getting warmed up and loosening up a bit after the first part of the show, which is perfectly normal for singers, even when they have done a proper per-show warmup. But I asked James about it after the show, and specifically asked whether he felt like it took him a song or two to really feel warmed up and get going. He shrugged it off and said he felt great the entire show.
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I feel like he likes to get encouragement from a fan more that "I noticed you struggled in the first two songs." He's had his share of criticism, so maybe even something mild or constructive might be a bit much for him sometimes.
However, that actually is something I noticed on the DT12 tour as well. James started to shine only from The Looking glass onward. The first three songs weren't as spectacular on both shows I saw back then. He could hardly reach the one high note in The Shattered fortress, but continued to nail Trial of tears and the Awake stuff.
EDIT: Yes, it wasn't possible for me to avoid spoilers after all. :lol
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I feel like from what I've seen live this Saturday, that JLB struggles too much with the higher register in such a way that it becomes almost like 'yelling'; uncontrolled and quite often (slightly) out of tune (and some times a lot so). It's also clear that he doesn't really have the strength in his vocal chords anymore, which is a shame, because on the more restrained moments (the large chunk of The Astonishing is a prime example), like Through Her Eyes, he is very, very good still. I don't think Dream Theater writes their music with the strengths or weaknesses of their front-man in mind and their music could probably be better translated to a live setting if they write the vocal melodies in a lower register. Give the man more dynamics as well, he's either at the top of his lungs, or very restrained.
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I feel like he likes to get encouragement from a fan more that "I noticed you struggled in the first two songs." He's had his share of criticism, so maybe even something mild or constructive might be a bit much for him sometimes.
Well, sure. And I was much more tactful than to suggest he wasn't quite up to snuff on the first song. I was just paraphrasing here.
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I feel like from what I've seen live this Saturday, that JLB struggles too much with the higher register in such a way that it becomes almost like 'yelling'; uncontrolled and quite often (slightly) out of tune (and some times a lot so). It's also clear that he doesn't really have the strength in his vocal chords anymore, which is a shame, because on the more restrained moments (the large chunk of The Astonishing is a prime example), like Through Her Eyes, he is very, very good still. I don't think Dream Theater writes their music with the strengths or weaknesses of their front-man in mind and their music could probably be better translated to a live setting if they write the vocal melodies in a lower register. Give the man more dynamics as well, he's either at the top of his lungs, or very restrained.
Yeah, this is pretty much how I feel. Love the guy and at his prime he might be my favorite vocalist ever. Even today, despite struggling in some heavy and high stuff, James still absolutely shines in softer moments. Wait For Sleep last tour? Magic. Singing aside, I like his stage presence, he really does connect with his audience. That's the kind of thing I missed when seeing Haken, for example.
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I don't think Dream Theater writes their music with the strengths or weaknesses of their front-man in mind and their music could probably be better translated to a live setting if they write the vocal melodies in a lower register. Give the man more dynamics as well, he's either at the top of his lungs, or very restrained.
Well said,also do you guys remember the first song of his first solo album..it's called His Voice from Mullmuzzler..the verse in this song where James sing is quite low register but he has this warm, pleasant and distinct LaBrie voice that fits him like a glove in my opinion.. nowadays it is what it is but definitely the band should utilize his strengths of his voice and not unnecessary strain it more..
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I feel like from what I've seen live this Saturday, that JLB struggles too much with the higher register in such a way that it becomes almost like 'yelling'; uncontrolled and quite often (slightly) out of tune (and some times a lot so). It's also clear that he doesn't really have the strength in his vocal chords anymore, which is a shame, because on the more restrained moments (the large chunk of The Astonishing is a prime example), like Through Her Eyes, he is very, very good still. I don't think Dream Theater writes their music with the strengths or weaknesses of their front-man in mind and their music could probably be better translated to a live setting if they write the vocal melodies in a lower register. Give the man more dynamics as well, he's either at the top of his lungs, or very restrained.
Yeah, this is pretty much how I feel. Love the guy and at his prime he might be my favorite vocalist ever. Even today, despite struggling in some heavy and high stuff, James still absolutely shines in softer moments. Wait For Sleep last tour? Magic. Singing aside, I like his stage presence, he really does connect with his audience. That's the kind of thing I missed when seeing Haken, for example.
Agreed on the Haken part; as much as I like them, their live shows haven't been exactly emotive.
Having said that, I have shed a few tears to Red Giant, so it is possible.
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I feel like from what I've seen live this Saturday, that JLB struggles too much with the higher register in such a way that it becomes almost like 'yelling'; uncontrolled and quite often (slightly) out of tune (and some times a lot so). It's also clear that he doesn't really have the strength in his vocal chords anymore, which is a shame, because on the more restrained moments (the large chunk of The Astonishing is a prime example), like Through Her Eyes, he is very, very good still. I don't think Dream Theater writes their music with the strengths or weaknesses of their front-man in mind and their music could probably be better translated to a live setting if they write the vocal melodies in a lower register. Give the man more dynamics as well, he's either at the top of his lungs, or very restrained.
Yeah, this is pretty much how I feel. Love the guy and at his prime he might be my favorite vocalist ever. Even today, despite struggling in some heavy and high stuff, James still absolutely shines in softer moments. Wait For Sleep last tour? Magic. Singing aside, I like his stage presence, he really does connect with his audience. That's the kind of thing I missed when seeing Haken, for example.
Agreed on the Haken part; as much as I like them, their live shows haven't been exactly emotive.
Having said that, I have shed a few tears to Red Giant, so it is possible.
referring to what's bolded, I'm not overly familiar with Haken, and it's your opinion that they're not emotive (which I respect of course), but: Do concerts actually have to be emotive? (it's hard for me to imagine, that's why I ask, and I'm not an emotional person at all)
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I feel like from what I've seen live this Saturday, that JLB struggles too much with the higher register in such a way that it becomes almost like 'yelling'; uncontrolled and quite often (slightly) out of tune (and some times a lot so). It's also clear that he doesn't really have the strength in his vocal chords anymore, which is a shame, because on the more restrained moments (the large chunk of The Astonishing is a prime example), like Through Her Eyes, he is very, very good still. I don't think Dream Theater writes their music with the strengths or weaknesses of their front-man in mind and their music could probably be better translated to a live setting if they write the vocal melodies in a lower register. Give the man more dynamics as well, he's either at the top of his lungs, or very restrained.
Yeah, this is pretty much how I feel. Love the guy and at his prime he might be my favorite vocalist ever. Even today, despite struggling in some heavy and high stuff, James still absolutely shines in softer moments. Wait For Sleep last tour? Magic. Singing aside, I like his stage presence, he really does connect with his audience. That's the kind of thing I missed when seeing Haken, for example.
Agreed on the Haken part; as much as I like them, their live shows haven't been exactly emotive.
Having said that, I have shed a few tears to Red Giant, so it is possible.
referring to what's bolded, I'm not overly familiar with Haken, and it's your opinion that they're not emotive (which I respect of course), but: Do concerts actually have to be emotive? (it's hard for me to imagine, that's why I ask, and I'm not an emotional person at all)
Not necessarily, sometimes it's sufficient if the band kicks ass, but when it comes to prog metal my favourite bands are ones that do move me. I'm talking DT, Fates Warning, Pain of Salvation, Andromeda and to some extent Symphony X as well.
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As to setlist changes...since they did such a beautiful cover of 'Tears' years ago, it would have been a wonderful homage to have done this a couple of times in recent days.
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Review from Oberhausen https://www.soundz.nl/metalband-dream-theater/
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Review from Oberhausen https://www.soundz.nl/metalband-dream-theater/
I don't speak any Dutch, but (given I'm German) I think the headline would translate as "Has Dream Theater's popularity ended?" (I think it didn't though)
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Review from Oberhausen https://www.soundz.nl/metalband-dream-theater/
I don't speak any Dutch, but (given I'm German) I think the headline would translate as "Has Dream Theater's popularity ended?" (I think it didn't though)
The first paragraph of the article (from Google Translate):
"Is the popularity of Dream Theater waning? It appears so. Unlike ten years ago, the band is no longer able to sell out the pop stages in the Netherlands. Even with the legendary album "Metropolis, Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory ”as an eye catcher, the band around master guitarist and Sena European Guitar Award winner John Petrucci will not sell out the AFAS Live venue. Dream Theater plays no less and puts on a sublime show full of highlights."
A subsequent paragraph: "Broken by the loss of Neil Peart, drummer of Rush and most important inspiration for the band, Dream Theater sometimes has a difficult time, but fun is what ultimately prevails. Singer James Labrie, dressed in a black metal shirt, makes love with his microphone stand (with cool skull!) as if it were his wife and plays the audience in his own unique way."
Makes love to the microphone stand as if it were his wife?!?! :lol :lol
Regarding JLB's singing:
"James LaBrie is performing as expected tonight, and that is extremely changeable. Potentially, the 56-year-old Canadian, not for nothing a good musical friend of Ayreon, has one of the most beautiful voices in the prog metal. His soft voice has been creating a beautiful atmosphere for decades and his biting and spitting outbursts often match the picture Dream Theater is trying to paint. But LaBrie has also grown old and is challenging itself too much. Many swings are false, stretched too long and often unnecessary."
And, later in the article: "So LaBrie is often wrong when it comes to high notes and strokes, but the rest is of such a level that it doesn't matter that much."
In closing: "They are less popular, but certainly no less good."
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Less popular is not true btw, given the chart positions of D/T (2 No. 1's, 17 top 10ers, among others) That makes D/T their best selling album in history as of now, I think.
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:rollin
Also, just looked and they've been playing that same venue for a long time now in the Netherlands. Not sure there's any indication from that as being less popular these days.
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:rollin
Also, just looked and they've been playing that same venue for a long time now in the Netherlands. Not sure there's any indication from that as being less popular these days.
and it's fairly large too. Not as big as Ziggo Dome but sizeable enough I guess.
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Yea, I'm familiar with it. I stay at the holiday inn right next to it when I work in Amsterdam. It's much bigger than anywhere they play in the states. Also looks like a cool venue, I've never been to a show there sadly. Been to the Ziggo Dome once, that place is cool too but that's an arena. AFAS live is huge general admission, such a different type of venue than I'm used to seeing DT at (seated 2k capacity theaters).
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Less popular is not true btw, given the chart positions of D/T (2 No. 1's, 17 top 10ers, among others) That makes D/T their best selling album in history as of now, I think.
Best chart performance != Best-selling in history ;) Measuring popularity by commercial sales is also not as accurate as it used to be, but there probably hasn't been any notable change.
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Less popular is not true btw, given the chart positions of D/T (2 No. 1's, 17 top 10ers, among others) That makes D/T their best selling album in history as of now, I think.
How an album charts isn't necessarily a good indicator of sales. In the U.S. (the most populous country that has "charts"), DOT only hit #24, which makes it the lowest charting DT album in the U.S. since Octavarium.* You have to balance this with the higher peak numbers of comparatively less populous countries.** I have no idea if reliable, overall sales information is available anywhere online. An album that hits #1, stays there briefly, and then quickly falls off the charts probably isn't going to sell as many copies as an album that peaks in the 20s but stays on the charts for several months. Also, there's not a clean correlation between album sales and concert attendance. An artist can continue to have strong album sales but low concert attendance.
* - The top 6 are BC&SL (#6), DT12 (#7), ADTOE (#8), TA (#11), SC (#19) and DOT (#24). Interestingly (at least to me), SFAM appears to be DT's lowest charting studio album in the U.S. (not including WDADU, which didn't chart at all). Not sure what conclusions can be drawn from this.
** - The two countries where DOT charted at #1 (Germany and Switzerland) have combined populations that are much less than 1/3 of the population of the U.S.
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I feel like from what I've seen live this Saturday, that JLB struggles too much with the higher register in such a way that it becomes almost like 'yelling'; uncontrolled and quite often (slightly) out of tune (and some times a lot so). It's also clear that he doesn't really have the strength in his vocal chords anymore, which is a shame, because on the more restrained moments (the large chunk of The Astonishing is a prime example), like Through Her Eyes, he is very, very good still. I don't think Dream Theater writes their music with the strengths or weaknesses of their front-man in mind and their music could probably be better translated to a live setting if they write the vocal melodies in a lower register. Give the man more dynamics as well, he's either at the top of his lungs, or very restrained.
Exactly how I feel about the higher register. The lower register still fits him perfect. The songs from SC & BCASL are some good examples and the same goes for some of the Distance over Time Songs (no spoiler). Ballads like Trough Her Eyes and One Last Time were perfect.
If they really care for his perfomance they have to make some hard setlist choices in the future and stop playing songs that are too demanding for his voice.
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Yeah, same.
I'm not surprised he's struggling when singing higher songs from IaW or even SFAM but don't understand what were they thinking with , for example, Untethered Angel. He recorded that song only 2 years (?) ago, he must have struggled in studio as well. However, nothing against him, love him to death. Would like to hear them do a tour with songs only in his middle or low register.
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I decided to skip this tour as I can’t stand Labrie’s live voice anymore. He is off pitch way too often. Too bad cause the latest album is pretty good.
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Yeah, same.
I'm not surprised he's struggling when singing higher songs from IaW or even SFAM but don't understand what were they thinking with , for example, Untethered Angel. He recorded that song only 2 years (?) ago, he must have struggled in studio as well. However, nothing against him, love him to death. Would like to hear them do a tour with songs only in his middle or low register.
you could hear them do that if you attended the Met2 tour. Met2 entirely consists of James' middle and low registers I would guess. Most of the other pieces had that too. (in the show I attended in October of 2000, Learning To Live being the exception though.)
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Less popular is not true btw, given the chart positions of D/T (2 No. 1's, 17 top 10ers, among others) That makes D/T their best selling album in history as of now, I think.
How an album charts isn't necessarily a good indicator of sales. In the U.S. (the most populous country that has "charts"), DOT only hit #24, which makes it the lowest charting DT album in the U.S. since Octavarium.* You have to balance this with the higher peak numbers of comparatively less populous countries.** I have no idea if reliable, overall sales information is available anywhere online. An album that hits #1, stays there briefly, and then quickly falls off the charts probably isn't going to sell as many copies as an album that peaks in the 20s but stays on the charts for several months. Also, there's not a clean correlation between album sales and concert attendance. An artist can continue to have strong album sales but low concert attendance.
* - The top 6 are BC&SL (#6), DT12 (#7), ADTOE (#8), TA (#11), SC (#19) and DOT (#24). Interestingly (at least to me), SFAM appears to be DT's lowest charting studio album in the U.S. (not including WDADU, which didn't chart at all). Not sure what conclusions can be drawn from this.
** - The two countries where DOT charted at #1 (Germany and Switzerland) have combined populations that are much less than 1/3 of the population of the U.S.
Yes, but the way these things are measured has changed a couple times over the last few years to include streaming and stuff like that. I'm too lazy to search for it, but I remember someone here in DTF made the math when these numbers were posted and the "real" measure was much higher than what it ended up being for D/T.
One of the cons of counting online streams here is that a lot of pop/rap/whatever artists release super short albums that get streamed over and over and over by their fanbases and get stuck at the top positions on the charts.
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Less popular is not true btw, given the chart positions of D/T (2 No. 1's, 17 top 10ers, among others) That makes D/T their best selling album in history as of now, I think.
How an album charts isn't necessarily a good indicator of sales. In the U.S. (the most populous country that has "charts"), DOT only hit #24, which makes it the lowest charting DT album in the U.S. since Octavarium.* You have to balance this with the higher peak numbers of comparatively less populous countries.** I have no idea if reliable, overall sales information is available anywhere online. An album that hits #1, stays there briefly, and then quickly falls off the charts probably isn't going to sell as many copies as an album that peaks in the 20s but stays on the charts for several months. Also, there's not a clean correlation between album sales and concert attendance. An artist can continue to have strong album sales but low concert attendance.
* - The top 6 are BC&SL (#6), DT12 (#7), ADTOE (#8), TA (#11), SC (#19) and DOT (#24). Interestingly (at least to me), SFAM appears to be DT's lowest charting studio album in the U.S. (not including WDADU, which didn't chart at all). Not sure what conclusions can be drawn from this.
** - The two countries where DOT charted at #1 (Germany and Switzerland) have combined populations that are much less than 1/3 of the population of the U.S.
Yes, but the way these things are measured has changed a couple times over the last few years to include streaming and stuff like that. I'm too lazy to search for it, but I remember someone here in DTF made the math when these numbers were posted and the "real" measure was much higher than what it ended up being for D/T.
One of the cons of counting online streams here is that a lot of pop/rap/whatever artists release super short albums that get streamed over and over and over by their fanbases and get stuck at the top positions on the charts.
I don't disagree (and honestly have no more than the most general idea about what chart position represents), but the ultimate point is that, whatever chart position represents, it's a very different thing from concert attendance.
The article asserted that it appears that DT's popularity is waning. Possible translation issues aside, I think it's pretty clear from context that the article is talking about popularity in terms of concert attendance, which is not tied (directly or even indirectly) to album sales. I don't think the article is attempting to make any more of a point than that. If I'm right, Max's response that "Less popular is not true" because of how DOT performed on various countries' charts doesn't really stand up to scrutiny. Moreover, given the use of the word "waning" (and again, ignoring issues resulting from the use of Google Translate), the chart positions (at least in the U.S.) bear out the assertion that popularity is waning. SC hit #19 and was followed by BC&SL at #6, which was the best a DT album ever did on the U.S. charts. The next two albums performed almost as well (#8 for ADTOE and #7 for DT12), and then the next two albums have shown a steady decline (TA at #11 and DOT at #24.
However, since we're dealing with a Dutch article, it's worth that DT's six most recent studio albums all hit somewhere between #2-4 on the Dutch charts, so the band's chart performance in the Netherlands has been much more consistent than in the U.S.
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You guys are obviously all going to different DT shows than me because I’ve yet to see a show where La Brie wasn’t excellent. Performances range from very good to absolutely superb based on 25 years worth of shows.
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I have seen this show 3x so far. It is true, he is a tad pitchy on UA and BW. But that is it. Scenes is soo good and he hits everything on it!
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:rollin
Also, just looked and they've been playing that same venue for a long time now in the Netherlands. Not sure there's any indication from that as being less popular these days.
and it's fairly large too. Not as big as Ziggo Dome but sizeable enough I guess.
No not at all! They've played the same venue several times when it was called 'Heineken Music Hall' indeed. As far as I remember (first time seeing them there in 2005 (special 2 nights) it was never sold out, but always filled. And it was crowdy this time, as seen on the stage image at DT Facebook.
For me, much more than the JLB thing, DT has to take in account their (over)mechanical performance and sound. Especially in their new stuff. There seem to be an intended difference in stage sound production between DOT songs and SFAM. DOT sounded like a brickwalled production and SFAM much more dynamic, like the sound engineer was changing presets.
For me it was the first time seeing DT as a machine and it bothered me. Very well oiled, big horsepower. But in no time out of sight as well. I want to see a band with a heart, not a machine. And I never had that feeling this strong and hopefully it is just me....
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For me, much more than the JLB thing, DT has to take in account their (over)mechanical performance and sound. Especially in their new stuff. There seem to be an intended difference in stage sound production between DOT songs and SFAM. DOT sounded like a brickwalled production and SFAM much more dynamic, like the sound engineer was changing presets.
For me it was the first time seeing DT as a machine and it bothered me. Very well oiled, big horsepower. But in no time out of sight as well. I want to see a band with a heart, not a machine. And I never had that feeling this strong and hopefully it is just me....
I can agree with this. When i saw the band in 2011, they all seemed more relaxed and gave a more genuine feel with their performance. The last show i saw, felt like a good show in terms of performance, but as you said felt like a machine. And this is a general feel i get with the band these days, like it's a professional thing but not genuinely artistic.
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Well spot on. From Swedish paper today from Stockholm.
https://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/dream-theatre-levererar-mer-teknik-an-spelgladje-pa-cirkus/
Some swedish fans her with + access :)
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I have seen this show 3x so far. It is true, he is a tad pitchy on UA and BW. But that is it. Scenes is soo good and he hits everything on it!
I want to add some things. I saw them in Oberhausen last sunday and I agree that JLB had his most pitchy parts in the songs you mentioned (although overall he sang both songs really good that night!) but I do not agree that he hits everything in SFAM. Not at all. He really often hit the notes spot on (which was great!) but then he let his voice drift away. He did this quite frequently, which makes me guess he even did it on purpose.
I also found this video of Home in Amsterdam and to me he basically sings out of tune the whole song. Especially in the first verse and the first bridge (around 3:50 in the video). it seems as if he is some microtones off (to his defence maybe he did not hear the other instruments well?).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuUA4jZGofM&t=3m04s
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Seems he had some vocal problems at the first show of this leg, in Oberhausen he was much better. I agree with the "he even did it on purpose" remark. JLBs singing style will always be controversial.
A big part of the Obehausen show is on this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoCS5uMmxkY
I wonder if these two german guys are on this forum :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI7jVTlO7BI
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You guys are obviously all going to different DT shows than me because I’ve yet to see a show where La Brie wasn’t excellent. Performances range from very good to absolutely superb based on 25 years worth of shows.
There was some stuff that was a bit iffy on the I&W tour, but I chalk that up to a lot of things that have nothing to do with JLB's abilities as a singer. I've seen DT 11 times since Sept. 2004* and have zero complaints about JLB's performance (with the exception of Don't Look Past Me on the I&W&B tour in Oct. 2017, which was just a bad idea all the way around). I guess I've been fortunate in this regard.
My only (minor) complaint about DT's live shows are that they're brickwalled and, in the last five years or so, the bass hasn't stood out at all.
* - Over that span, the shows I've seen have been both very early in the tour and very late in the tour and various points in between.
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You guys are obviously all going to different DT shows than me because I’ve yet to see a show where La Brie wasn’t excellent. Performances range from very good to absolutely superb based on 25 years worth of shows.
Can’t agree more!!!
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By the way, chart position has as much to do with environment than the work itself, and doesn't reflect overall sales. At least here in the States, it's the sales THAT WEEK, compared to other releases.
So if I release my new record, and I sell 500 copies, one to each person I know on LinkedIn, and no one sells more than 350, I'm charting No. 1. If there are 100 other acts that all have 1,000 friends and sell to each one, I don't chart at all. Whether my previous record sold 1 copy or 1,000,000 has no impact. So there's no way of telling "waxing" or "waning" from chart position.
(There are also gimmicks too. I don't know this for sure, but I suspect that's in part why some releases are "two-disk sets" and the second disk is a video, a documentary, and a EPK.)
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:rollin
Also, just looked and they've been playing that same venue for a long time now in the Netherlands. Not sure there's any indication from that as being less popular these days.
They used to play several times in Ahoy, Rotterdam (e.g. the Chaos in Motion DVD). That venue has a general gig-capacity of 9000, more than Afas, which is around 6000. Afas was pretty much sold out i guess.
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Probably a perfect place for a pirate to play.
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:lol
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Just got back home from the 2nd Stockholm gig. The venue was maybe 2/3 full (not sure the max capacity but "large theater-ish"). It's a bit sad to see the crowds getting smaller, but I guess a Wednesday gig mostly draws people from Stockholm, and they also played there the night before. The crowd was not very animated to begin with. James even remarked that we were too polite, which made me feel bad for the band, although my knees are now sore from drumming so hard on them :-) It got better though, and during TSCO, everyone stood up and sang along.
I have been staying away from the forum since the firs NA tour started last year, so I've been mostly spoiler free, but the first set felt quite short, and unimaginative. 4 new songs and 2 deep cuts from the late 00's felt a bit odd. Although I was glad to hear ANTR live since I missed the BC&SL tour.
I was glad to hear James have a much better night compared to the TA and I&W&B shows in Stockholm. TA was really bad, he couldn't keep pitch on the softer parts at all, but tonight he was great, apart from not being able to reach the screams in UA. SFAM was great all around, especially FT, BTL and Home. My favorite tracks off the album that never seem to get played otherwise. FF was epic as usual! But I must say that it was almost a let down to not go from the record scratch sound at the end into TGP as an encore. I would have needed to call for a diaper in row 1 if that would have happened! AWE is a nice song but a very strange encore, especially as the only encore. It would have been a perfect set 1 closer, but now I left the venue wanting something more to tie it all together.
I must also say that this playing an entire album or close to it-thing can easily be put to rest as far as I'm concerned. Especially if it's jammed into a regular album tour, where you know that the new material will take up a large chunk of the set anyway. For me, the exitement of seeing a band live has much to do with how a well constructed setlist can put certain songs in a new perspective, and I love the unpredictability that a mixed setlist presents. On this tour, we got new songs, all all of SFAM in a very predictable order, and two recent-ish deep cuts. All-in-all, probably the most boring setlist I've seen them play in my book. Albeit a very well-performed setlist as always.
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I was hoping that they would play something special during the 2nd night in the same city, just like the old days. A rarely played song, or a cover song, something like that. TGP would be nice indeed
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I was hoping that they would play something special during the 2nd night in the same city, just like the old days. A rarely played song, or a cover song, something like that. TGP would be nice indeed
me too...
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With the talk of James and Untethered Angels, I just came across this video from the Houston show last year. He pretty much nails the ending.
https://youtu.be/i-odBIV77Jo?t=244
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With the talk of James and Untethered Angels, I just came across this video from the Houston show last year. He pretty much nails the ending.
https://youtu.be/i-odBIV77Jo?t=244
I watched this clip full and gladly James put amazing performance that night. Such a great control in his voice and effortlessly hit the high notes.
Sure he must be tired for now as he perfoms in Europe and I think he saves his energy for the DVD record in London.
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"I almost choked on my spit during that last song. Has that ever happened to you? How fucked up is that?" -James
I'd say SFAM almost sounds better live than on the record these days. John's guitar tone is money in Through Her Eyes, and vocal melodies have an added punch.
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"I almost choked on my spit during that last song. Has that ever happened to you? How fucked up is that?" -James
I'd say SFAM almost sounds better live than on the record these days. John's guitar tone is money in Through Her Eyes, and vocal melodies have an added punch.
Interesting, he said that exact same line in St. Louis last year and I think I posted about that. Funny thing is, he did sound like he choked on his own spit. As someone on this forum has already stated, he's got the hardest job in the band.
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I enjoyed the hell out of Scenes when I saw DT in October, but there is no way I can say that it is better live now than on record. The feel and vibe of the original record, and hell, the original tour in 2000, can just never be recaptured. They are doing a great job with it on the current tour, but the original record and tour were lightning in a bottle.
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I didn't get to see DT on this tour so I've watched a few YouTube videos. The band sounds great and looks like their having a good time, but that mic stand looks rediculous! I hope they retire that thing soon because it belongs in a museum! 💀
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...but that mic stand looks rediculous!
??? No way!
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I didn't get to see DT on this tour so I've watched a few YouTube videos. The band sounds great and looks like their having a good time, but that mic stand looks rediculous!
I thought so too, although I didn't quite see 'red', but it did look better in person. I fits this tour quite alright.
On the subject on the tombstones during Through Her Eyes, did anyone else think it was peculiar that there was not one for Allan Holdsworth? Knowing how highly JP thought of him, I would've guessed that he'd be up there instead of Randy Rhoads, for example. Or Zappa even (I guess MM is a fan?).
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...but that mic stand looks rediculous!
??? No way!
It just seems a bit over the top and bulky. I can allready see it on a dvd release, every time we see JLB singing, that creepy skull is gonna be staring at us in the face.. :lol
They are planning on filming in London right?
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I didn't get to see DT on this tour so I've watched a few YouTube videos. The band sounds great and looks like their having a good time, but that mic stand looks rediculous! I hope they retire that thing soon because it belongs in a museum! 💀
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/uj8SbnHpCfxlm3jfJA/giphy.gif)
SO DO YOU!
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I didn't get to see DT on this tour so I've watched a few YouTube videos. The band sounds great and looks like their having a good time, but that mic stand looks rediculous! I hope they retire that thing soon because it belongs in a museum! 💀
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/uj8SbnHpCfxlm3jfJA/giphy.gif)
SO DO YOU!
THANKS MAN!!! :tup
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:lol I like the mic stand personally
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BTW, I assume the mike stand will get retired after this tour since it's specifically based on the cover of DOT.
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I would imagine so. I wonder if they (or James) will keep it in storage, or if it will find its way to an auction site. But I would think they would keep the infinity one and use that again at some point.
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I would imagine so. I wonder if they (or James) will keep it in storage, or if it will find its way to an auction site. But I would think they would keep the infinity one and use that again at some point.
Would love to get my hands on one of JLB's stands. :metal
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DT was asked to put together a mixtape that would be perfect to prepare for their live show, and this is the result :)
https://www.eventim.de/magazin/rock-pop/zum-tourstart-dream-theater-haben-uns-ein-traumhaftes-metal-mixtape-gemacht/
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Do you think this is something concerning the tour?
Maybe a collaboration for the DVD?
https://www.facebook.com/126844294034258/posts/3021117374606921/?app=fbl
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I'd be surprised if they collaborated again for the new DVD. I'd imagine that's something else, but I'm not sure. Maybe honorary degrees? Just guessing, I have no idea but my gut would not say it's similar to what they did from Breaking the Fourth Wall.
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Honorary Degrees sounds possible.
Seeing them play at Berklee was an awesome experience. The students were so into it.
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Was at the concert in Trondheim, Norway on monday. Really enjoyed it! The band, overall, was in top form - particularily JP, the man is just a beast; he has such a total command over the instrument that it is a joy to watch. James struggled though. It was easy to hear unfortunatly. I am a little concerned for his voice actually, and wonder how much more touring he can take in the upcoming years - he is not getting any younger, and his organic "instrument" will be more and more difficult to maintain.
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He was sick in december, I wonder if his voice is still affected. Singing for 3 hours almost every night won't help, I'm a bit worried about the london shows (dvd)...
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I'd be surprised if they collaborated again for the new DVD. I'd imagine that's something else, but I'm not sure. Maybe honorary degrees? Just guessing, I have no idea but my gut would not say it's similar to what they did from Breaking the Fourth Wall.
Agree and think honorary degrees would be pretty cool (esp. if JP, JM and MP all show up together in person for it!).
Either that, or in 2022, when my kid hopefully starts at Berklee, they'll be doing some sort of something that I can get in on. :biggrin:
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Oslo yesterday. James struggles very hard with the high notes and it doesn't will be any better over the years. The band on the other hand is absolutely top notch. Sfam er killer live
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Oslo yesterday. James struggles very hard with the high notes and it doesn't will be any better over the years. The band on the other hand is absolutely top notch. Sfam er killer live
I love and respect JLB, but I think that they should have tuned down SFAM like they did for the I&W tour. There's nothing wrong with it, many artists do the same. It would be better for everyone.
It must be hard for him to do the great job he still does while receiving all of those negative comments.
There's no DT without JLB for me, so I hope they'll work one day on the singing part, accepting the fact that he cannot sing LIVE like he used to do 20 years ago.
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He was sick in december, I wonder if his voice is still affected. Singing for 3 hours almost every night won't help, I'm a bit worried about the london shows (dvd)...
I wouldn't be too worried about the London shows as they will probably make amendments to the vocals in the post production.
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Hope not so overdubbed like the Budokan show from the japan tv show. But James isnt good now. Out of pitch often. Its to heavy this touring for him.
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Hope not so overdubbed like the Budokan show from the japan tv show. But James isnt good now. Out of pitch often. Its to heavy this touring for him.
I have the Budokon TV sbow. The vocals didn't sound overdubbed at all, I think they left the vocals as is. James sounded quite pitchy at times, and he botched "Wait for Sleep" by yelling the words. Probably the most cringeworthy part of the show, but he did ok on the most part. Still a enjoyable concert!
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James has been struggling this leg...no doubt
BUT the rest of the band has really tightened things up since the American leg. Petrucci has definitely gotten the rust off on some of those old SFaM solos. I know he’s usually reliable but he’s been especially solid this leg from the videos I’ve seen, while some of those American shows were a bit...rough...around the edges.
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I have a lot of respect for James, but it's time to stop with the cognitive dissonance and be honest at this point, as the fact that lots of fans aren't put him in this situation in the first place.
Neither is it just on some bad nights when he's ill, nor is it only a product of heavy touring, nor is it "mostly great with some bumps" - he struggles to sing, plain and simple. His pitch is all over the place, pronounciation gets worse and it doesn't do the songs justice. It doesn't help him that people are being attacked for saying so.
They should have written material more comfortable in his range years ago. Currently, lots of people are paying good money for a lackluster package and I think it's safe to say that this is not professional. I'm sorry for this post.
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I have a lot of respect for James, but it's time to stop with the cognitive dissonance and be honest at this point, as the fact that lots of fans aren't put him in this situation in the first place.
Neither is it just on some bad nights when he's ill, nor is it only a product of heavy touring, nor is it "mostly great with some bumps" - he struggles to sing, plain and simple. His pitch is all over the place, pronounciation gets worse and it doesn't do the songs justice. It doesn't help him that people are being attacked for saying so.
They should have written material more comfortable in his range years ago. Currently, lots of people are paying good money for a lackluster package and I think it's safe to say that this is not professional. I'm sorry for this post.
Can't say i disagree with this. I think that during the tours for ADTOE and DT12 he was very respectable, but he is struggling a lot after that. Not sure if he needs to go into training again or it's just a matter of him aging, but his voice is not in a good condition after the tour for the Astonishing. And some of his comments about feeling in the best condition sound a bit delusional to anyone who has attended a show in the recent years. It's not a matter of one night being off or him being sick. His voice sounds worse, plain and simple.
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Hope not so overdubbed like the Budokan show from the japan tv show. But James isnt good now. Out of pitch often. Its to heavy this touring for him.
I have the Budokon TV sbow. The vocals didn't sound overdubbed at all, I think they left the vocals as is. James sounded quite pitchy at times, and he botched "Wait for Sleep" by yelling the words. Probably the most cringeworthy part of the show, but he did ok on the most part. Still a enjoyable concert!
The whole consert its lots of overdubs, of course James voice is too, u can hear that
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I have a lot of respect for James, but it's time to stop with the cognitive dissonance and be honest at this point, as the fact that lots of fans aren't put him in this situation in the first place.
Neither is it just on some bad nights when he's ill, nor is it only a product of heavy touring, nor is it "mostly great with some bumps" - he struggles to sing, plain and simple. His pitch is all over the place, pronounciation gets worse and it doesn't do the songs justice. It doesn't help him that people are being attacked for saying so.
They should have written material more comfortable in his range years ago. Currently, lots of people are paying good money for a lackluster package and I think it's safe to say that this is not professional. I'm sorry for this post.
*Shrug* He sounded good when I saw them in November.
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He was really good in 2019 but it seems to be different story now.
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I thought he was fine the two shows I saw in 2019, but it seems the complaints are rampant on this tour. I haven't watched any video to hear for myself though.
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This is a high quality video from the concert I attended. He does alright but clearly struggles with some notes.
https://youtu.be/kL9jYLVrmZ0
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I agree that people shouldn't ignore if his performance isn't up to standard (though the kindness rule must always apply when you're posting here), but at the same time I think his struggling is limited to some legs of some tours. Most of the time he sounds acceptable, with some off nights and better nights. Judging from clips is very difficult but I watch a lot of live clips for a lot of bands and they've gotten a lot better. I haven't liked how he sounds on older tunes in a while and I wish they would downtune but obviously I'm not them and I'm not James, so :mora:
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I think the best thing they could do in the future would be playing shorter shows. Maybe just two hours instead of 2 and a half? Even that could do wonders for James's voice in the long run. Or play more instrumentals and generally less vocally demanding songs.
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I think the best thing they could do in the future would be playing shorter shows. Maybe just two hours instead of 2 and a half? Even that could do wonders for James's voice in the long run. Or play more instrumentals and generally less vocally demanding songs.
I've been saying this for awhile, not even just for the bands endurance but to spice things up with an upcoming prog metal band opening following by a standard 1 hour 50 minute headlining performance with a slight song rotation.
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I have a feeling this is the last time we see them performing 3,5 hours evening night format.
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I know some might be against it, but I am all in for them to have opening acts or co-headlining the next tour with other bands.
The last time I saw DT sharing the stage with another band was 2009 with Zappa, and the most memorable thing from that show was the guitar/keyboard battle between JP, Jordan and Dweezil.
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The last time I saw DT sharing the stage with another band was 2009 with Zappa, and the most memorable thing from that show was the guitar/keyboard battle between JP, Jordan and Dweezil.
At beacon theater?
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I think the best thing they could do in the future would be playing shorter shows. Maybe just two hours instead of 2 and a half? Even that could do wonders for James's voice in the long run. Or play more instrumentals and generally less vocally demanding songs.
I've also been saying this for a while. Just shortening the sets a little bit, downtuning, adding more instrumentals or improvs or even songs with long instrumental breaks in them could help James keep his voice in better shape through a long tour. I'd rather have them do this and last longer with him than have James go all in every tour and wear his voice out for good.
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The last time I saw DT sharing the stage with another band was 2009 with Zappa, and the most memorable thing from that show was the guitar/keyboard battle between JP, Jordan and Dweezil.
At beacon theater?
Yes sir :metal
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I was in the last row of the building, so awesome. Got a funny story about that show too but its not something to share in public here :lol
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(https://pl.scdn.co/images/pl/default/8aad0d66e9de17260cc0fe5bce5720e402556f46)
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I have a feeling this is the last time we see them performing 3,5 hours evening night format.
That hasn't happened in a LOOOOOONNNNG time. At their longest, DT shows post-MP have been 2.75 hours maximum and the vast majority have been about 2.5 hours, not counting the intermission time.
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Jeez now we want shorter sets? I do not yearn for the Progressive Nation days where I had to sit/stand through bands I didn't like so I could see DT do a 1:50 set. Keep the Evening With format!!
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Jeez now we want shorter sets? I do not yearn for the Progressive Nation days where I had to sit/stand through bands I didn't like so I could see DT do a 1:50 set. Keep the Evening With format!!
I agree. We shall not submit to short sets. No short sets. No blackmail! :D (in all seriousness though, the longer the set, the more beneficial for the music.)
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I don't care about random openers either, but I do care about James's voice. I believe Mangini can't play 3 hour shows with his physical style for eternity either.
Edit: I would personally prefer 10 more years of DT with a bit shorter shows than 5 years with the current set length.
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Jeez now we want shorter sets? I do not yearn for the Progressive Nation days where I had to sit/stand through bands I didn't like so I could see DT do a 1:50 set. Keep the Evening With format!!
I think they only played 90 minutes on those shows, I'd rather not a big tour like that unless they got even bigger bands with them to play arenas which I dont see happening at all, but I'd love a 45 minute opener and a 110 minute set general admission metal show from them. I don't see it, they love the theater presentation it seems and having a more prog feel to the show (people sitting).
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I think they only played 90 minutes on those shows, I'd rather not a big tour like that unless they got even bigger bands with them to play arenas which I dont see happening at all, but I'd love a 45 minute opener and a 110 minute set general admission metal show from them. I don't see it, they love the theater presentation it seems and having a more prog feel to the show (people sitting).
Isn't the entirely seated audience thing applied exclusively in North Ametica?
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I think they only played 90 minutes on those shows, I'd rather not a big tour like that unless they got even bigger bands with them to play arenas which I dont see happening at all, but I'd love a 45 minute opener and a 110 minute set general admission metal show from them. I don't see it, they love the theater presentation it seems and having a more prog feel to the show (people sitting).
Isn't the entirely seated audience thing applied exclusively in North Ametica?
Maybe? It looked like the Luna Park concert was seated even on the floor if I recall, but I know from pics I've seen on social media that there are GA shows in Europe.
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Oh yeah, that's right about Luna Park. Here in Europe we are mostly standing though, except at arenas which of course have lots of seats.
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Jeez now we want shorter sets? I do not yearn for the Progressive Nation days where I had to sit/stand through bands I didn't like so I could see DT do a 1:50 set. Keep the Evening With format!!
I think they only played 90 minutes on those shows
For the majority of the shows during the Progressive Nation tour legs, this is correct, although there were a few exceptions to the rule.
That said, there's absolutely no reason why DT can't keep on doing Evening With tours for years to come. JP can once again fall back on his mantra of What Would Rush Do? As it became more difficult for Geddy, they paced the shows and included some instrumentals in key spots to give Geddy's vocals a rest. DT can do the same thing, and in some cases create new instrumental or jam sections to a few of the songs to give JL a little more time to rest his vocals and give the audience something new. It may also require not playing certain songs in the future, changing their vocal melody (as Geddy did with Circumstances in 2007) or dropping the tuning a bit to make it easier. And maybe inserting a few more off days - for the last 2 tours, Rush didn't do any shows on consecutive dates. DT may not be able to afford to space out each tour leg that much, but adding a few more off days I'm sure would help. And maybe during tour time, JL using his voice to a minimum when not on stage or warming up, which is another thing Geddy would do.
Another reason to keep the Evening With format, as opposed to taking a support band (or two) out: DT would have to pay them and cover their expenses.
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The money is definitely a big reason why they wouldn't want to bring on an opening act. I don't think DT can raise their prices so it would come out of their pockets.
If they did start doing more instrumentation, that actually could be cool and would be a nice change of pace to what they've been doing. Jams unique to each show would add some excitement I think.
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I have a lot of respect for James, but it's time to stop with the cognitive dissonance and be honest at this point, as the fact that lots of fans aren't put him in this situation in the first place.
Neither is it just on some bad nights when he's ill, nor is it only a product of heavy touring, nor is it "mostly great with some bumps" - he struggles to sing, plain and simple. His pitch is all over the place, pronounciation gets worse and it doesn't do the songs justice. It doesn't help him that people are being attacked for saying so.
They should have written material more comfortable in his range years ago. Currently, lots of people are paying good money for a lackluster package and I think it's safe to say that this is not professional. I'm sorry for this post.
Can't say i disagree with this. I think that during the tours for ADTOE and DT12 he was very respectable, but he is struggling a lot after that. Not sure if he needs to go into training again or it's just a matter of him aging, but his voice is not in a good condition after the tour for the Astonishing. And some of his comments about feeling in the best condition sound a bit delusional to anyone who has attended a show in the recent years. It's not a matter of one night being off or him being sick. His voice sounds worse, plain and simple.
Being totally honest, I saw him on the I&W Tour and he was absolutely outstanding, just as he was on the DT12 tour. He struggled very slightly in the odd moment on TA tour but I saw them on the opening show of the tour and, to be honest, the whole band looked a little nervous except Mangini so he was not alone. There was a lot going on and the first time they’d ever performed it.
I’m seeing them in London on Feb 21st so will see how he is, he’s never let me down before though and I’ve seen every tour from FII onwards, sometimes multiple legs of the tour. Either I am just the luckiest DT fan alive or the majority of people criticising him on here don’t actually go to DT shows and just judge off unofficial cellphone videos on YouTube. Take it from me, that’s not what DT actually sound like when you’re there. I know there does appear to be a couple of people who have been to recent shows and say he wasn’t on top form and I’m sure that’s correct but I can only judge on my own experience and I will let you know how he was when I see them this time.
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I have seen DT three times this tour. (yes lucky me!) My first tour experience with DT was The Astonishing...I was floored, not only just by DT and their sound, playing and joy doing it, but how James could pull of all the characters and I could get it. He sounded soo good.
I missed the next tour.
This tour the only thing I have noticed is he can be flat - but just certain songs. UA and BW. (I really wish they would open with something else for that reason) I am not a singer (well except in my car :biggrin:) and I don't understand that. The songs don't seem to be in the higher range and he hits the high notes. Can he just not hear himself? I would think it could be something that could be adjusted. And he sounds soo. good. for Scenes. He may have a few more pitchy moments, but they would be very quick and the music covers it.
So, I think he does great. But just wondering about that one thing.
(and going again in London :metal)
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I have a lot of respect for James, but it's time to stop with the cognitive dissonance and be honest at this point, as the fact that lots of fans aren't put him in this situation in the first place.
Neither is it just on some bad nights when he's ill, nor is it only a product of heavy touring, nor is it "mostly great with some bumps" - he struggles to sing, plain and simple. His pitch is all over the place, pronounciation gets worse and it doesn't do the songs justice. It doesn't help him that people are being attacked for saying so.
They should have written material more comfortable in his range years ago. Currently, lots of people are paying good money for a lackluster package and I think it's safe to say that this is not professional. I'm sorry for this post.
Can't say i disagree with this. I think that during the tours for ADTOE and DT12 he was very respectable, but he is struggling a lot after that. Not sure if he needs to go into training again or it's just a matter of him aging, but his voice is not in a good condition after the tour for the Astonishing. And some of his comments about feeling in the best condition sound a bit delusional to anyone who has attended a show in the recent years. It's not a matter of one night being off or him being sick. His voice sounds worse, plain and simple.
Being totally honest, I saw him on the I&W Tour and he was absolutely outstanding, just as he was on the DT12 tour. He struggled very slightly in the odd moment on TA tour but I saw them on the opening show of the tour and, to be honest, the whole band looked a little nervous except Mangini so he was not alone. There was a lot going on and the first time they’d ever performed it.
I’m seeing them in London on Feb 21st so will see how he is, he’s never let me down before though and I’ve seen every tour from FII onwards, sometimes multiple legs of the tour. Either I am just the luckiest DT fan alive or the majority of people criticising him on here don’t actually go to DT shows and just judge off unofficial cellphone videos on YouTube. Take it from me, that’s not what DT actually sound like when you’re there. I know there does appear to be a couple of people who have been to recent shows and say he wasn’t on top form and I’m sure that’s correct but I can only judge on my own experience and I will let you know how he was when I see them this time.
Yeah I’ll second this. For better or worse, cell phones don’t really reflect live sound. Any type of recording for that matter. There’s really no substitute for LIVE. I’ve seen DT on every tour since Octavarium in 2006, and LaBrie has ranged from good to spectacular. Even friends I’ve gone with who aren’t the biggest DT fans have almost always walked away from the live show impressed with LaBrie.
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Yeah I’ll second this. For better or worse, cell phones don’t really reflect live sound. Any type of recording for that matter.
Without getting into a big argument over this (which has already been done ad nauseam elsewhere), recordings actually do reflect the live sound accurately. It's your perception when you're at the show that is not necessarily accurate because of the super loud volume, the adrenaline running thru your veins from excitement to be at the show, etc. So while you and others might think JL was flawless (or nearly so) at a show, a recording - whether done with high-end mics and digital set up or a cheap cassette recorder with the built in mic - is going to give you an accurate representation of how well he (and the rest of the band) did that particular night.
Don't get me wrong - nothing replaces being at the actual show and taking in the whole experience, which everyone should do if at all possible. But it's a misnomer to say that recordings "don't really reflect live sound."
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I agree Scott!
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Take it from me, that’s not what DT actually sound like when you’re there.
And yet, in my experience, after about 25 shows since 2003 (not quite as many as you, and in a shorter time frame), I would absolutely say that generally is how DT sounds live. Even at the Score show. Generally a very good performance by JLB but not the sparkling, pristine rendition you hear in the official recording.
This doesn't stop me going to their shows (although I see far fewer now due to non-rotating setlists), and I'll be there at both London shows, too. First night in the second row, second night in the front row. Got lucky there!
Scott's bang on the money. The recording is the recording. It's the listener's absence of personal investment that's different.
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Yeah I’ll second this. For better or worse, cell phones don’t really reflect live sound. Any type of recording for that matter.
Without getting into a big argument over this (which has already been done ad nauseam elsewhere), recordings actually do reflect the live sound accurately. It's your perception when you're at the show that is not necessarily accurate because of the super loud volume, the adrenaline running thru your veins from excitement to be at the show, etc. So while you and others might think JL was flawless (or nearly so) at a show, a recording - whether done with high-end mics and digital set up or a cheap cassette recorder with the built in mic - is going to give you an accurate representation of how well he (and the rest of the band) did that particular night.
Don't get me wrong - nothing replaces being at the actual show and taking in the whole experience, which everyone should do if at all possible. But it's a misnomer to say that recordings "don't really reflect live sound."
Semantics.
I think we’re both right it just different ideas on “accurate”. You’re talking accuracy regarding a bands technical performance. I’m talking about accuracy of live SOUND.
Yes a recording is a recording. LaBrie is off pitch no matter what. But a cell phone recording through a cell phone speaker (both of which will also color the sound) is not going to be an accurate reflection of standing in front of a 100db loudspeaker in a 2000 seat theatre hall. What you’re actually going to hear and perceive. Under those conditions (in my experience) LaBrie sounds fine. And that’s not just adrenaline or “personal investment”, or just being drowned out by the rest of the band for that matter. It’s what you’re hearing, the timbre, frequencies, acoustics- it’s all going to affect how the band sounds.
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I have no idea what your ears hear, of course, but when I see Dream Theater live, I genuinely cringe several times each show, so far wide of the mark is James on multiple occasions.
But here's the thing. I still would never want to see him ousted. He's the voice of Dream Theater, simple as that.
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I agree wholeheartedly with nobloodyname's stance there.
During the Helsinki show a few weeks ago, James sang relatively well. I was happy with him keeping the shrieking notes to a bare minimum. That said, he was rather pitchy, at times overwhelmingly so. Much to my surprise he nailed Untethered Angel, but then started to wane as the show proceeded.
I felt it was nice touch how he brought some character inflections from The Astonishing over to this version of Scenes from a Memory, for example in the beginning of Finally Free.
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I agree wholeheartedly with nobloodyname's stance there.
During the Helsinki show a few weeks ago, James sang relatively well. I was happy with him keeping the shrieking notes to a bare minimum. That said, he was rather pitchy, at times overwhelmingly so. Much to my surprise he nailed Untethered Angel, but then started to wane as the show proceeded.
I felt it was nice touch how he brought some character inflections from The Astonishing over to this version of Scenes from a Memory, for example in the beginning of Finally Free.
Funny, I heard many people at the Helsinki show talking about how James "sucked" in the first set and then came back and nailed stuff like Strange Deja Vu and Fatal Tragedy. I think he did just fine in both sets, even though SFAM songs are significantly more difficult than the newer songs.
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I was talking from personal experience by the way, seeing the band live as well as checking youtube videos. And i think that youtube is actually pretty much a reflection of what i experienced live.
I saw the band in 2011, and felt like James did a great job (better than 2007 where i had seen them previously). But, last year i could tell he was struggling a lot. At times i felt like he wasn't even trying to make the lyrics clear, just shouting in hope of reaching the notes.
Was this the case for every song? No. But i honestly cringed in more than 2-3 songs with his performance. And while i still feel like James is the voice of the band, even his studio performance in DoT to me is a proof of his voice taking a turn to the worse. All the effects and autotune/melodyne can't hide that.
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I recently got a new company car. A Tesla. Only a model three. But here's the thing: it comes with built-in karaoke. My partner and I thought we'd sing some well-known songs on the way to a party just before Christmas. We're talking things like Don't Look Back in Anger. Songs everyone can sing to. I should say, we can both sing in tune but that's as far as it goes. So we both started singing, and neither of us could find the right key. This was song after song! We'd get there eventually but I made the point at the time that singing without another voice already doing so, is actually really rather difficult when you're not used to it.
And, since then, I've looked on singers with a new-found admiration, because I now have the teeniest insight into how difficult it must be to pull it off live. And that's just to find the right key :lol James is a professional, of course, but it's still a tough gig. And it only gets more difficult the older we get, too.
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Yeah I’ll second this. For better or worse, cell phones don’t really reflect live sound. Any type of recording for that matter.
Without getting into a big argument over this (which has already been done ad nauseam elsewhere), recordings actually do reflect the live sound accurately. It's your perception when you're at the show that is not necessarily accurate because of the super loud volume, the adrenaline running thru your veins from excitement to be at the show, etc. So while you and others might think JL was flawless (or nearly so) at a show, a recording - whether done with high-end mics and digital set up or a cheap cassette recorder with the built in mic - is going to give you an accurate representation of how well he (and the rest of the band) did that particular night.
Don't get me wrong - nothing replaces being at the actual show and taking in the whole experience, which everyone should do if at all possible. But it's a misnomer to say that recordings "don't really reflect live sound."
I’m not saying it’s not an accurate recording, I’m saying that’s not what it sounds like to be in the room and see the show. The perception you have when you’re at the show may be inaccurate for all the reasons you’re saying but, at the end of the day, that perception is what’s important. You paid for a ticket and did it sound great to you on the night. I just think too many people will watch a YouTube video and think DT or whatever band sound awful. I’m just saying that this is not what it will sound like if you go to see them yourself unless you’re very unlucky. If it was, I would not have paid hundreds of pounds over the years going to see them. For example, the Breaking The Fourth Wall live album is exactly what my show on that tour sounded like to me on the night, even the muddy sound on the first couple of songs. I dare say the same show recorded on a cellphone would not sound anything like that.
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Well it certainly wouldn't have the piped-in crowd noise :biggrin:
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Everyone's ears are different too. In a live setting, some of us don't notice things because our ears just are different while the guy next to you did notice something off. You have a lot of music people going to DT shows who have more trained ears as well.
I can say for myself, JLB mostly sounds great in the live setting but then I watch my videos the next day and notice all the nuances I couldn't pick up from the in person experience. I think both are accurate depictions of what was performed at the end of the day. No video will replace what you experienced but the video doesn't lie either.
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The SFaM show in Helsinki is posted. Obviously I was not there so
all I can go by is what I hear. The band played well. James struggled.
It was tough to get through at times. I'm not sure how much longer
he can sing some of those songs.
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Jordan has already posted two videos (old videos, tho) of him practicing TCOT. It is unlikely, but what are the odds of them playing it on one of the two London shows for the live recording?
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Jordan has already posted two videos (old videos, tho) of him practicing TCOT. It is unlikely, but what are the odds of them playing it on one of the two London shows for the live recording?
:omg: :metal
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Jordan has already posted two videos (old videos, tho) of him practicing TCOT. It is unlikely, but what are the odds of them playing it on one of the two London shows for the live recording?
About one year ago Jordan posted short clips of practicing PBD weeks before the start of the DOT Tour and especially since then I always have the impression that such clips are meant to contain a hint which pieces will be performed in the near future. So I suppose the chances of seeing TCOT live as an encore in London (maybe AWE on the first night / TCOT on the second night?) have now increased slightly.
Additional arguments in favor of playing TCOT could be:
- I read that some fans expect them not to play the same static setlist on two following nights (especially for a DVD recording (just like at Luna Park))
- it is an epic (not a fan favorite though (I remember the "rank the DT mega-epics" poll where it did not get a lot of votes), so it is perfectly made as an encore
- it never has been used for a DVD / pro shot recording (which is likely to be the strongest argument?)
- I guess it is not too demanding for James (??)
- they already played it with MM before, so less practice is needed (compared to Octavarium)
Overall I still think it would be a big surprise to see them performing it in London but you'll never know.
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What? The Count Of Tuscany isn't a fan favorite? I was sure that it's a consensus top 10 song. It's in the second place of all DT songs here: https://www.thetoptens.com/top-ten-dream-theater-songs/
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What? The Count Of Tuscany isn't a fan favorite? I was sure that it's a consensus top 10 song. It's in the second place of all DT songs here: https://www.thetoptens.com/top-ten-dream-theater-songs/
While I do agree that The Count of Tuscany is very popular with the hardcore fans, that list in the link looks like one person's opinion, and while I like Panic Attack, listing that as their 7th best song is a major WTF.
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And while it may or may not be a 'forum' favorite, that doesnt necessarily represent what the fan base at large might think.
I personally love TCOT!
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While I do agree that The Count of Tuscany is very popular with the hardcore fans, that list in the link looks like one person's opinion, and while I like Panic Attack, listing that as their 7th best song is a major WTF.
But everyone can vote on Thetoptens. The visitors have voted that particular list 12 000 times. Also, Panic Attack is amazing song and it being in the top 10 isn't surprising to me. It's their second most popular song on Spotify after all.
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What? The Count Of Tuscany isn't a fan favorite? I was sure that it's a consensus top 10 song. It's in the second place of all DT songs here: https://www.thetoptens.com/top-ten-dream-theater-songs/
I see your point. I personally like TCOT as well but I was referring to the forum poll where it only got 3% of all votes (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53591.0).
So maybe TCOT is indeed a fan favorite but not in direct comparison to other mega-epics like Octavarium, ACOS or SDOIT.
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Yeah, I should probably check out that voting.
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Even on this forum, TCOT came out as a top 20 song in the DT league. Considering there were 152 songs competing, ranking top 20 shows it is appreciated here as well.
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Saw them play it in 2011 (or was it 2010?). Not a favorite song of mine, but live it was great to see.
Yes, please change the setlist, song selections, tunings, whatever to help James' performances and longevity. You can acknowledge time is passing, and that you are a first class top tier band, at the same time.
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Yep, saw it played during the European ADTOE tour in 2011 I think? It was a highlight of the set (https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2011/crocus-city-hall-moscow-russia-3bd34c00.html) for me. Would be good to see it brought back if only for one show.
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I must have missed something. When was it announced that the London shows are going to be filmed?
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I must have missed something. When was it announced that the London shows are going to be filmed?
London! 🇬🇧 We've added a second date at the Eventim Apollo next year, tickets go on sale this Friday at 10am. http://gigst.rs/DreamTheater
We are also excited to announce that we will be 🎥 filming both of these shows, stay tuned for more news on that! 🤘
https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/posts/10156330931117181
And, apparently, James has been saying that on the recent shows too.
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Thanks!
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Yeah I’ll second this. For better or worse, cell phones don’t really reflect live sound. Any type of recording for that matter.
Without getting into a big argument over this (which has already been done ad nauseam elsewhere), recordings actually do reflect the live sound accurately. It's your perception when you're at the show that is not necessarily accurate because of the super loud volume, the adrenaline running thru your veins from excitement to be at the show, etc. So while you and others might think JL was flawless (or nearly so) at a show, a recording - whether done with high-end mics and digital set up or a cheap cassette recorder with the built in mic - is going to give you an accurate representation of how well he (and the rest of the band) did that particular night.
Don't get me wrong - nothing replaces being at the actual show and taking in the whole experience, which everyone should do if at all possible. But it's a misnomer to say that recordings "don't really reflect live sound."
Semantics.
I think we’re both right it just different ideas on “accurate”. You’re talking accuracy regarding a bands technical performance. I’m talking about accuracy of live SOUND.
Yes a recording is a recording. LaBrie is off pitch no matter what. But a cell phone recording through a cell phone speaker (both of which will also color the sound) is not going to be an accurate reflection of standing in front of a 100db loudspeaker in a 2000 seat theatre hall. What you’re actually going to hear and perceive. Under those conditions (in my experience) LaBrie sounds fine. And that’s not just adrenaline or “personal investment”, or just being drowned out by the rest of the band for that matter. It’s what you’re hearing, the timbre, frequencies, acoustics- it’s all going to affect how the band sounds.
With the mix being as loud as it is, that will affect how his voice sounds. Even the other frequencies suffer.
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While I do agree that The Count of Tuscany is very popular with the hardcore fans, that list in the link looks like one person's opinion, and while I like Panic Attack, listing that as their 7th best song is a major WTF.
But everyone can vote on Thetoptens. The visitors have voted that particular list 12 000 times. Also, Panic Attack is amazing song and it being in the top 10 isn't surprising to me. It's their second most popular song on Spotify after all.
I am guessing the fact that it was featured in one of those Rock Band videos is a big reason why. Maybe I am looking at it from a forum standpoint, but I almost never see that song listed as a favorite. And I get that this forum is only a fraction of the fan base.
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I don't care much for Panic Attack, but I beleive Portnoy once said he regretted not putting it on their "Greatest Hit" compilation album because the song had become one of their most popular ever - largely due to its inclusion in the Rock Band game.
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I don't care much for Panic Attack but I beleive Portnoy once said he regretted not putting it on their "Greatest Hit" compilation album because the song had become one of their most popular ever - largely due to its inclusion in the Rock Band game.
Well to each their own. I happen to love the song but what I like most is how the emotional allusion of the song could almost give the listener a literal panic attack. JP's riffing and the driving force of MP's drums really make for an intense ride and the lyrics just tie everything together.
I give credit to JP for this because the way his story telling to me is just magical and when I say story telling, I am talking about his ability to weave the music and lyrics to tell a cohesive story.
He does the same thing with TEI on DT12 where the beginning of the song (to me) represents a firefight to perfection. (Props for MM's contribution on this song)
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I thought the lyrics to PA didn't give me much to dig into at first. But since then, I've come to know someone who suffers from panic attacks, and I understand the song and its presentation much more now than I once did. It's not my favorite, but I respect it.
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Panic Attack kicks all kinds of ass.
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I always thought Panic Attack would make a great walk-up song for a professional wrestler.
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I always thought Panic Attack would make a great walk-up song for a professional wrestler.
Since beaten by FitL, but yeah I see what you mean
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Not sure how many more DT tours there will be, but do you think they will ever play any of the MP2:SFAM songs again after this tour?t
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Not sure how many more DT tours there will be, but do you think they will ever play any of the MP2:SFAM songs again after this tour?t
I wouldn't mind if they retired I&W and SFAM permanently after this tour.
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There is no universe where Dream Theater will not perform at least some songs from Images and Words and Scenes From a Memory again. They may not pop up in every setlist or every tour, but they will be a part of DT's overall live identity until the band ceases to exist.
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There is no universe where Dream Theater will not perform at least some songs from Images and Words and Scenes From a Memory again. They may not pop up in every setlist or every tour, but they will be a part of DT's overall live identity until the band ceases to exist.
Pull Me Under, Metropolis, and The Spirit Carries On will always be setlist mainstays. The band loves playing them and the fans love hearing them.
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Sure, why not?
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I attended the Budapest show last night.
I have to say the guys were rockin' brilliantly and they enjoyed themselves on the stage. Petrucci was especially magnificent throughout the evening.
As for James...
Untethered Angel was very bad, close to unlistenable. My companions said afterwards that it was fine in their eyes but I recorded the whole show and it sounds just as bad as how I felt it there. During the song I felt terrible as I thought our entire evening will be ruined by James. I read here before that UA is not a great show starter for him and he usually struggles there but I couldn't imagine that he will be much better later. Most of the high notes were barely audible and/or false and he was out of tone for most of the song. However after UA he became much much better. He was far from perfect and there were some cringy moments later on as well (most notably some parts of Barstool Warrior and TSCO plus almost the entirety of Home) but he was more or less okay. Interestingly it was very hit and miss. He struggled a bit during a song or even during a verse but nailed perfectly the next just as hard one a minute later. For example he sang almost perfectly the end of Finally Free at the very end of the show ("A blinding light comes into view" and onwards) and it rarely gets harder than that. Some parts of the song are on youtube (search for "Dream Theater 2020 Budapest") so you can judge yourself. It was close to what I expected but much better than what I thought it will be after that terribel UA (also on youtube btw). A 6,5/10 perhaps.
The show was great anyway and I hope they can keep playing for at least 10 more years. However altering and shortening the sets for James's sake seems inevitable.
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This should probably go to the Controversial Opinions thread, but I wouldn't mind seeing them with another vocalist, after James retires, if that means we can have DT for more years (and if the new guy can make the songs justice).
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If the guys want to perform post-James, I am ok with that, but it won't be "more DT."
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If the guys want to perform post-James, I am ok with that, but it won't be "more DT."
Some people said the same about Portnoy. Guess what...
It's not that I *want* this to happen, but if James retires on his own will and the rest of the band feel like they should continue, there's no reason why they shouldn't. If the new guy is good enough and his voice suits the band, I'd be for it.
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If the guys want to perform post-James, I am ok with that, but it won't be "more DT."
Some people said the same about Portnoy. Guess what...
True. And fair point I didn't consider, but I wasn't one of those people who thought that.
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If the guys want to perform post-James, I am ok with that, but it won't be "more DT."
Some people said the same about Portnoy. Guess what...
It's not that I *want* this to happen, but if James retires on his own will and the rest of the band feel like they should continue, there's no reason why they shouldn't. If the new guy is good enough and his voice suits the band, I'd be for it.
Losing a singer vs losing a drummer is a totally different ballgame. I’m a big Portnoy fanboy and I recognize his contributions to the songwriting and arranging, but at the end of the day; the drummer keeps the beat. LaBrie is literally the voice of the band.
Now hypothetically DT could replace JLB and survive, but it’s going to have a much larger impact on the sound/tone of the band vs losing Portnoy. For my money, LaBrie and Petrucci have always been the irreplaceable members of DT, and it’s been that way since Images & Words.
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This. ^
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I love JLB and hope he is DT's singer 'till the end. But if he decided to leave on his own, I would be open to DT continuing with another singer.
However, if DT chose to push him out, I might be done.
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I had a great time in Budapest two nights ago. Paralyzed and Pale blue dot are my favorite new songs and I was really glad I got to hear them. The band performed extremely well and looked like they enjoyed themselves, Myung and Mangini were cracking each other up throughout the night, and James took over the spotlight in terms of stage presence. His singing wasn't what it was six years ago, but I didn't feel like it took away from the experience. I think James is not going anywhere, he can stick around and perform as good as he can until the entire band decides to call it quits. It was so touching to see all of the Scenes. Truly a precious opportunity to witness such a masterpiece of an album in its entirety.
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Yeah, great post M.
I know sometimes it's hard to tell, but I can easily feel how into playing with MM that JM is.
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If the guys want to perform post-James, I am ok with that, but it won't be "more DT."
Some people said the same about Portnoy. Guess what...
It's not that I *want* this to happen, but if James retires on his own will and the rest of the band feel like they should continue, there's no reason why they shouldn't. If the new guy is good enough and his voice suits the band, I'd be for it.
Losing a singer vs losing a drummer is a totally different ballgame. I’m a big Portnoy fanboy and I recognize his contributions to the songwriting and arranging, but at the end of the day; the drummer keeps the beat. LaBrie is literally the voice of the band.
Now hypothetically DT could replace JLB and survive, but it’s going to have a much larger impact on the sound/tone of the band vs losing Portnoy. For my money, LaBrie and Petrucci have always been the irreplaceable members of DT, and it’s been that way since Images & Words.
To be fair, James has been in the band longer and is in more albums than MP, so I agree a vocalist change would be a big shift and James will always be THE voice of DT, but that doesn't mean they can't continue with someone else if he wants to retire.
I love JLB and hope he is DT's singer 'till the end. But if he decided to leave on his own, I would be open to DT continuing with another singer.
This is basically what I've been saying.
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I think, because he’s not really one of the main creative forces in the band, they could continue with another singer without the music suffering. It would be a big change in how they sound though as La Brie has a very unique and distinctive sound. He is a big reason why DT don’t sound like any other metal band or even any other prog metal band. It would be hard to find another singer who can do that for them. They can find better technical singers but not so easy to find a guy where, as soon as he opens his mouth, you instantly know what band you’re listening to. Doesn’t seem to me that he’s planning on going any time soon though anyway.
Under 2 weeks now until I see DT in London so I will hear how he is for myself.
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Maybe the perfect JLB replacement singer who sounds just like him exists in the Philippines
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Maybe the perfect JLB replacement singer who sounds just like him exists in the Philippines
:rollin
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Maybe the perfect JLB replacement singer who sounds just like him exists in the Philippines
Good one :lol
It wasn't perfect but I thought Ross Jennings (Haken) sounded pretty good singing The Shattered Fortress set with Portnoy.
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Yea, Ross did DT really well.
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Comparing youtube videos of 2020 with those of 2019 it's obvious that JLBs voice on this leg of the tour is affected by illness or something else. I'm sure he knows and the band knows the reason, but they don't say anything. I hope it's nothing serious, otherwise it would have been wiser to postpone the tour.
Or to hire a guy from the Philippines.
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I swear, no other singer gets sick for an entire tour leg as often as James.
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He didn't sound sick to me. He sounded just as he did on the videos from last year's tour. The first set sounds a bit more difficult, but he warms up for Scenes. He is also all over the stage, I am certain he feels good and confident with his performance.
A friend of mine and I often talk about how James takes small steps in front of the drums and hardly makes contact with the audience when he doesn't feel well with his singing. There was absolutely none of that in Budapest.
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Yeah, he doesn't look sick. Actually he looks like he's enjoying the shows a lot.
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I watched some of Helsinki show and thought James was really sick or just gave up. Seems like he didn't even try. And I watched Budapest show from youtube and James singed pretty well, even in the first set he nailed it just fine and the stage presence was amazing.
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I watched some of Helsinki show and thought James was really sick or just gave up. Seems like he didn't even try.
James was really sick in Helsinki? I don't think so. For example at the end of UA he shows a stage presence you rarely see from him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3MGpw3BSOU&t=4m48s). He headbangs, kicks the air and just enjoys the energy of the song. His vocals also sounded alright to me (compared to the last videos I have seen from the show in Budapest, where he seemed exhausted most of the time and even changed vocal melodies in BW due to his decreased vocal range).
Overall I have to admit it is very difficult to say anything about his health based on excerpts from youtube videos but my impression is that his general state of health got worse during the tour (let's hope this impression is false). With that in mind it might not have been the best idea to record the DVD right at the end of the tour.
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I watched some of Helsinki show and thought James was really sick or just gave up. Seems like he didn't even try. And I watched Budapest show from youtube and James singed pretty well, even in the first set he nailed it just fine and the stage presence was amazing.
Honestly, we have no idea how often James is sick. Every time he struggles, there are tons of fans who say he was sick to justify the bad performance. So the fact that he appears to so often be sick, mostly just means he so often struggles and fans look for ways to justify it that don't involve any actual criticism toward James.
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Good point but to be fair even James himself stated that he often got sick during the last tours. I remember an interview (in a podcast?) after the Images, Words & Beyond Tour where he mentioned that he got sick several times on the tour and all the trash-talk about his singing abilities by fans have affected him personally.
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Entering this thead symbolically with my hand over my eyes to not read around.
Tomorrow night, it's finally MY turn. 20 years later, I will finally get a chance to listen to Scenes from a Memory in its entirety myself!!!
Yes, sadly when they toured Italy in 2000 they didn't stop by my town (after all they just came the previous autumn, my first DT concert), and so I couldn't / wasn't able to travel and I missed the show where they played it in full.
Better late than never, 20 years later I will FINALLY get to hear my favorite album of all time in its entirety!!! :metal
Hello Victoria, so glad to see you after 20 years, my friend!
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Entering this thead symbolically with my hand over my eyes to not read around.
Tomorrow night, it's finally MY turn. 20 years later, I will finally get a chance to listen to Scenes from a Memory in its entirety myself!!!
Yes, sadly when they toured Italy in 2000 they didn't stop by my town (after all they just came the previous autumn, my first DT concert), and so I couldn't / wasn't able to travel and I missed the show where they played it in full.
Better late than never, 20 years later I will FINALLY get to hear my favorite album of all time in its entirety!!! :metal
Hello Victoria, so glad to see you after 20 years, my friend!
ooh! those first few moments of tick, tock, tick tock.....so exciting!!!
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Enjoy, the excitement after they dim the lights and the clock start ticking is pure joy!
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Entering this thead symbolically with my hand over my eyes to not read around.
Tomorrow night, it's finally MY turn. 20 years later, I will finally get a chance to listen to Scenes from a Memory in its entirety myself!!!
Yes, sadly when they toured Italy in 2000 they didn't stop by my town (after all they just came the previous autumn, my first DT concert), and so I couldn't / wasn't able to travel and I missed the show where they played it in full.
Better late than never, 20 years later I will FINALLY get to hear my favorite album of all time in its entirety!!! :metal
Hello Victoria, so glad to see you after 20 years, my friend!
:metal :metal
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Entering this thead symbolically with my hand over my eyes to not read around.
Tomorrow night, it's finally MY turn. 20 years later, I will finally get a chance to listen to Scenes from a Memory in its entirety myself!!!
Yes, sadly when they toured Italy in 2000 they didn't stop by my town (after all they just came the previous autumn, my first DT concert), and so I couldn't / wasn't able to travel and I missed the show where they played it in full.
Better late than never, 20 years later I will FINALLY get to hear my favorite album of all time in its entirety!!! :metal
Hello Victoria, so glad to see you after 20 years, my friend!
Nice :metal You will not be disappointed. Was fortunate to see it twice last year....incredible stuff
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Entering this thead symbolically with my hand over my eyes to not read around.
Tomorrow night, it's finally MY turn. 20 years later, I will finally get a chance to listen to Scenes from a Memory in its entirety myself!!!
Yes, sadly when they toured Italy in 2000 they didn't stop by my town (after all they just came the previous autumn, my first DT concert), and so I couldn't / wasn't able to travel and I missed the show where they played it in full.
Better late than never, 20 years later I will FINALLY get to hear my favorite album of all time in its entirety!!! :metal
Hello Victoria, so glad to see you after 20 years, my friend!
You are where I was about 10 months ago. I also missed the SFAM tour (although I had multiple opportunities to see it and have no idea why I missed it). I had seen most of my favorite parts of it done over the years since, but seeing the whole thing was EPIC!!! Enjoy yourself.
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I missed SFAM the first time because I didn't even know DT back then, silly me!
Have fun, it's sooo worth it :metal
(But don't forget to enjoy the first part of the show as well, it's great too, just VERY different.)
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I just saw the show in Munich two days ago. I had an excellent time even though the sound was not that great, especially during the first set.
I had already seen SFAM live 20 years ago but I actually enjoyed it more this time. Loved the first set as well since I love D/T. :metal
Enjoy!
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Oh, and Home is such a kick-ass song live!! :metal :metal
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Aaaand I'm back! amazing show! :hefdaddy
The first part had some lenghty songs so I didn't even realize that, in the end, they only played 6 songs. Ballsy move from them to fill it to the brink with new songs, and to find room for a bigass epic like A Nightmare to Remember (didn't expect it immediately second!). Also I was sure that Pale Blue Dot would have been the encore but instead it closed the first set.
All the songs went down well, but obviously SFAM was on a whole another level for intensity, energy and crowd response. I'm telling you things you all perfectly know if I mention the initial singalong to Regression, the massive singalong with the Metropolis reprise in the Overture, the wild excitement on the more energetic stuff like the fast section of SDV and Beyond this Life, and the boner every musician got during The Dance of Eternity :lol
Just don't ask me what was happening during The Spirit Carries On, with all the singing along and the lights of the phones on and the "fountains" opened wide it was such an emotional and great moment that you had to be there to understand it. I'm sure you all experienced something similar at your show.
About SFAM' presentation and differences...
Things I liked: the new intro and the animations (Victoria is quite a babe, Julian had a pornstache and Edward seemed like a young teen but whatever, the animations were cool), the mini drum solo in Fatal Tragedy, and the tribute to fallen musicians during Through Her Eyes.
Things I can get along with: the ending of Through Her Eyes being all acoustic and not going electric like on the DVD.
Things that got me "WTF": the ending of Finally Free. The hell was that? I get that you can't always do the same thing and that Mangini can do wonders with the drums but some of the choices were baffling to say the least. Bring back the One Last Time reprise like on the DVD!
As for James... he was quite good. I'd say he was good in the first set, and great during SFAM. We all know what his tone, pronunciation and enunciation is like live. That's not going to change. But he was quite solid in the first set, and I never had a cringey moment, there was not a single instance where I thought "geez, James, what are you doing here? why are you struggling so much?"... not a single moment.
And during SFAM he was on fire!!! he seemed even better in tone and in power, and he was great on all the song, with his usual and untouched passion during the soft moments. He was even quite good as a frontman, for example he got the crowd going during the "Whoo oh oh oh, ho ho" part of Fall Into the Light, and got everyone to double clap during the "WHA WHA" part of Home's intro.
I'm sure that if you listen closely to a bootleg of the show you'll notice some failings here and there, but it doesn't matter - in the heat of the moment he sounded good, so he performed fine. As I said - good in the first set, great in the second. And the rest of the guys were their usual monsters of skill as usual.
After 20 years of seeing DT the worst thing that could happen would be walking away thinking "meh, they got sloppy" or "geez, James can't really hold it anymore". Luckily and gladly those thoughts were the farthest from my mind and I enjoyed the living hell out of it all!!! :metal
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Good to hear. I was blown away by how great SFAM stuff sounded on the DT12 tour so can’t wait for next Friday in London. Will be interesting to compare with what I saw 20 years ago. Will have to dig out my Metropolis 00 shirt like what MP is wearing on the dvd.
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Interesting note: Since the beginning of the D/T tour Paralyzed and FITL have been played alternately (both in the US and Europe). However, at the last three concerts (Munich, Rome, Milan) FITL was played. It would be interesting to find out the reasons for this.
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Maybe they wanted to be fair to the italian fans playing the same show. Or maybe they started to favor FITL over Paralyzed, since it's a bit longer so it stretches of a couple of minutes an already short first set, and it gives the occasion for a nice singalong in the middle.
Speaking of length, I must say that SFAM was the fasted 80 minutes of my life! the whole album flew by so fast! of course it's not a chore to listen to my favorite album, but before the show I was assuming that the length of the album would have showed, and that by the end I'd be "ok, that was great, but I'm really starting to feel tired", but on the contrary the whole thing flew by so fast and at the end of Finally Free I was pumped and energetic just as I was during Overture 1928! :yarr
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I definitely think James (wisely) saves most of it for the SFAM portion. He 100% for sure did that at the show I attended and I was fine with it because he slayed.
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I do wish they would've done the Reprise (The Live Rehearsal Demo ending) at the end as well. It's a perfect way to end the song.
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If I'm not mistaken, arent the shows on this tour a little shorter than a traditional evening with? I wonder why they dont just play both Paralyzed and FITL?
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My show started at 20:30 sharp and when the show was over and they were waving goodbye and preparing for the final photo, it was 23:23. I joked with my friends "they totally had time to play You Not Me" (earlier in the evening we were discussing songs and only as an half joke I said that, after 20 years of seeing them and being blessed with hearing almost everything, I wouldn't mind that much to hear the song just for the novelty of it).
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I would love to hear that song. Or even You Or Me.
20 years ago I ran a prog metal college radio show. I wanted to play You Not Me on my first show. My best buddy warned me that the prog community would not dig that.
I opened the show with Metropolis Pt.1 instead :)
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Good call :lol
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Oh, a little funny triva. Do you know that, more or less, the general rule for photographers at concerts is "you can take photos during the first three songs"? well, a friend of mine was in the pit and told me they could take photos for the first 15 minutes, because "first three songs" with DT can easily mean 30 minutes or more :lol
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Saw them on Sunday in Wroclaw, PL. The show really exceeded my expectations. The 1st set was almost the same as at the festival in Warsaw last year (with Paralyzed instead of FITL), but we all know what everyone came to see.
JLB was really good. He had a shaky start and a bit of trouble with some high notes throughout the show, but overall was very, very solid!
SFAM was amazing. Seeing it in its entirety was really a dream come true. The whole experience was great.
MVP - JP. Man, I've seen them for the 9th time and I don't think he'd ever nailed the whole show the way he did now. :hefdaddy
The "highlight" was MM missing the cue in TSCO and coming in mid-verse. Not sure what happened there (I'd love to find out), but it was hilarious :lol Half of the hall laughed their asses off. You can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaRviJuzfsc
I felt like Mike kinda lost the flow, was a bit unhappy about it and kept the rest of the show safe, especially the FF outro.
Anyways, great show!
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The "highlight" was MM missing the cue in TSCO and coming in mid-verse. Not sure what happened there (I'd love to find out), but it was hilarious :lol Half of the hall laughed their asses off. You can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaRviJuzfsc
Literally laughing out loud at that video. Brilliant :lol
In other news, got an email from the Apollo regarding Saturday night's show yesterday. My front row tickets are now third row. Frustrating but hey, still third row :)
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:rollin love it! The look on JLB's face too
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In other news, got an email from the Apollo regarding Saturday night's show yesterday. My front row tickets are now third row. Frustrating but hey, still third row :)
That seems odd, any reason given?
Also, Mike just made a post saying that this year he's trying to finish his solo album and also make a new DT album! He mentions prep for the dvd shoot, what would they have to prep when they've been playing virtually the same set for this tour? I'm assuming it would be too optimistic to hope for an additional tune or two.
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In other news, got an email from the Apollo regarding Saturday night's show yesterday. My front row tickets are now third row. Frustrating but hey, still third row :)
That seems odd, any reason given?
Also, Mike just made a post saying that this year he's trying to finish his solo album and also make a new DT album! He mentions prep for the dvd shoot, what would they have to prep when they've been playing virtually the same set for this tour? I'm assuming it would be too optimistic to hope for an additional tune or two.
I'm hoping they pull a couple surprises out. Also, new DT in 2020 should mean a very early 2021 release date :metal
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I'm hoping they pull a couple surprises out. Also, new DT in 2020 should mean a very early 2021 release date :metal
Somebody mentioned a video of Jordan playing TCOT a few weeks ago but I couldn't find it. I'm trying to figure out what might make sense for them to pull out, after FII there are no real 'extra' songs (aside from Raw Dog) so it's not like they can do an SFAM b-side.
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:corn
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:corn
Hmm, maybe he's entertained by us thinking they're going to do anything different when they're not or maybe he's entertained that he already knows they're playing Octavarium in reverse order as the encore.
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Maybe they will start with Metropolist Pt 1 and then continue with SFAM.
I wouldn't mind DT playing Raw Dog. I'm probably one of the few that likes the song.
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:corn
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The Bosk Of Tuscany has spoken.
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It's also been confirmed by a recent FB post by the band that both London shows (or both UK shows?) will be filmed for a DVD.
Random question about the show - at my show, James during the pause between Act I and Act II of SFAM reminded that Jordan Rudess had just joined the band, and got him to come out and say hi at his mic. Does he always do that or was it a slightly improvised moment?
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It's also been confirmed by a recent FB post by the band that both London shows (or both UK shows?) will be filmed for a DVD.
Random question about the show - at my show, James during the pause between Act I and Act II of SFAM reminded that Jordan Rudess had just joined the band, and got him to come out and say hi at his mic. Does he always do that or was it a slightly improvised moment?
both London shows yes (the third one in the UK is in Glasgow)
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I will be surprised if they pull out anything extra for the London shows.
Of course, I have been surprised before.
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I will be surprised if they pull out anything extra for the London shows.
Of course, I have been surprised before.
I would be surprised as well, but how have you been surprised before?
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The Bosk Of Tuscany has spoken eaten.
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I will be surprised if they pull out anything extra for the London shows.
Of course, I have been surprised before.
I would be surprised as well, but how have you been surprised before?
Umm, I have been surprised many times in my life. Are you asking for a specific example?
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I will be surprised if they pull out anything extra for the London shows.
Of course, I have been surprised before.
I would be surprised as well, but how have you been surprised before?
Umm, I have been surprised many times in my life. Are you asking for a specific example?
yes, concerning DT (in any way you'd like, but I meant concerning the live shows that were recorded. Of course, I know I've been surprised all the time when I attended the Portnoy era tours I attended (so 2000-2004))
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I was mildly surprised by the orchestra when I attended the SCORE show at RCMH. I figured they would do something unusual, but I wasn't sure what. That was fun.
But I wasn't really speaking DT-specific.
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I'm surprised the fact the shows this weekend are being filmed is going around as new news (I know DT has just refreshed it). It's been known for several months, hasn't it?
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Yea, they announced it when the this leg got announced I thought. But they recently just posted about it on social media which got the new spark of attention
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In other news, got an email from the Apollo regarding Saturday night's show yesterday. My front row tickets are now third row. Frustrating but hey, still third row :)
That seems odd, any reason given?
Camera position, apparently. I was front row and centre. My suspicion is people who paid filthy lucre for a M&G are still on the front row whereas I just got lucky. That's what the cynic in me says, anyway.
But hey, row C is still great although I might have been more annoyed if I was still a super-fan. Not as if being in row A was going to make the show sound any better :biggrin:
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I terms of view, I think rows 3-5 or so are about the best. You are still right there, but just far enough back to where you can take in more of the stage. But in terms of band interaction, front row is where it's at. When it is dark, the band can't really see beyond the first row or two a lot of the time.
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According to one of the (former, I guess) heads of Voices, there's nothing new or special about either night (other than them being filmed).
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I assume they'll play one night Fall into the Light, one night Paralyzed, and have both on the DVD.
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Oh I'd love to have Fall Into The Light on a DVD/Blu-Ray. That's probably my favourite song from the new album.
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According to one of the (former, I guess) heads of Voices, there's nothing new or special about either night (other than them being filmed).
My guess is that maybe they'll like to film both performances and choose the best ones from each night..
If they're doing the same set list each night it's cool, although predictable..but I'd hope they add at least some solo spots, let's say JR playing Interstices (which I absolutely love!) or some cool jam with JP maybe some LTE like Hourglass, that would be worth it!
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Random question about the show - at my show, James during the pause between Act I and Act II of SFAM reminded that Jordan Rudess had just joined the band, and got him to come out and say hi at his mic. Does he always do that or was it a slightly improvised moment?
Yeah, it seems it changes from day to day. He didn't do that at the show in Buenos Aires in December.
There, he explained that the album's success was a very important moment in their career, and that they were thankful and happy to be playing those songs 20 years later. He did say that it was their first album with Jordan.
He also said that he was feeling very high "from all the pot". Which reminded me of this oldie but goldie: https://youtu.be/7qP6pmJdQZ0
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When you have a chance to play DOT in its in its entirety but you decided to not. You had all the time to perform. Since DOT is very well welcomed from fans I don't think it would be overkill to play it as a whole. And you play 2 nights in a row for the DVD.
I'm questioning DT's tour and setlist decisions since the Astonishing tour.
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When you have a chance to play DOT in its in its entirety but you decided to not. You had all the time to perform. Since DOT is very well welcomed from fans I don't think it would be overkill to play it as a whole. And you play 2 nights in a row for the DVD.
I'm questioning DT's tour and setlist decisions since the Astonishing tour.
What didn't you like about I,W&B?
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I,W&B was awesome. I loved how they reintroduced some extended bits, covers, the story time part, enter sandman snippet etc, which they hadn't done in a while. I always loved things like this and it made DT shows a bit more... special?
Have they continued doing this for this tour or are they just playing the songs straight with no additions?
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Straight, no chaser.
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Well, SFAM begs to be played in its entirety and one song after the other, but there is a break between Act I and Act II, and James talks a bit there reminiscing about the album. Just like he did every 2 songs during the Images and Words set. Better than nothing.
The first set of the show goes on in full and James talks only after the first two songs with the usual "welcome to the show, good to be back" thing.
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I,W&B was awesome. I loved how they reintroduced some extended bits, covers, the story time part, enter sandman snippet etc, which they hadn't done in a while. I always loved things like this and it made DT shows a bit more... special?
Have they continued doing this for this tour or are they just playing the songs straight with no additions?
Plus ACOS, the Euros got a few TA songs, NA got some deep cuts if you were lucky. Defintiely thought that was a solid show and tour. The only problem with this one, was following up two tours of playing full albums with another doing another classic album. It seems to have done fairly well in terms of sales (2nd US leg was a bit weaker, but first was super strong and the Euro shows look well attended) though so while I wasn't a huge fan of doing all of SFAM, I did enjoy the shows I saw and can't complain too much other than not swapping more songs on the second leg.
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I,W&B was awesome. I loved how they reintroduced some extended bits, covers, the story time part, enter sandman snippet etc, which they hadn't done in a while. I always loved things like this and it made DT shows a bit more... special?
Have they continued doing this for this tour or are they just playing the songs straight with no additions?
Plus ACOS, the Euros got a few TA songs, NA got some deep cuts if you were lucky. Defintiely thought that was a solid show and tour. The only problem with this one, was following up two tours of playing full albums with another doing another classic album. It seems to have done fairly well in terms of sales (2nd US leg was a bit weaker, but first was super strong and the Euro shows look well attended) though so while I wasn't a huge fan of doing all of SFAM, I did enjoy the shows I saw and can't complain too much other than not swapping more songs on the second leg.
All of I&W plus ACOS in full was worth it by itself. Prior to that tour, I had never seen ACOS done in full, although I think I had seen all of the sections separately. The first set list was patchy. I was at one of the shows where they did Don't Look Past Me, which was not good. I'm also not a big fan of To Live Forever, and it wasn't a "deep cut" for me since I had seen it a bunch on some of the early tours. However, that one at least suits James's current range very well, so the performance was strong. We also got Hell's Kitchen, As I Am and Breaking All Illusions, which was really good (I honestly don't remember the Sandman snippet).
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We also got Hell's Kitchen, As I Am and Breaking All Illusions, which was really good (I honestly don't remember the Sandman snippet).
I am peanut butter and jealous.
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I'm not expecting anything surprising for the filming. Unless they decide to get the London Philharmonic Orchestra.
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Well, I'm very much looking forward to tonight, almost 3 years is too long, especially when I got spoiled with 3/5 of the UK shows back in 2014. I could do with a bit of cheering up and my co-conspirator tonight hasn't been well but he's not going to miss celebrating 20 years since he started seeing DT.
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I,W&B was awesome. I loved how they reintroduced some extended bits, covers, the story time part, enter sandman snippet etc, which they hadn't done in a while. I always loved things like this and it made DT shows a bit more... special?
Have they continued doing this for this tour or are they just playing the songs straight with no additions?
Plus ACOS, the Euros got a few TA songs, NA got some deep cuts if you were lucky. Defintiely thought that was a solid show and tour. The only problem with this one, was following up two tours of playing full albums with another doing another classic album. It seems to have done fairly well in terms of sales (2nd US leg was a bit weaker, but first was super strong and the Euro shows look well attended) though so while I wasn't a huge fan of doing all of SFAM, I did enjoy the shows I saw and can't complain too much other than not swapping more songs on the second leg.
All of I&W plus ACOS in full was worth it by itself. Prior to that tour, I had never seen ACOS done in full, although I think I had seen all of the sections separately. The first set list was patchy. I was at one of the shows where they did Don't Look Past Me, which was not good. I'm also not a big fan of To Live Forever, and it wasn't a "deep cut" for me since I had seen it a bunch on some of the early tours. However, that one at least suits James's current range very well, so the performance was strong. We also got Hell's Kitchen, As I Am and Breaking All Illusions, which was really good (I honestly don't remember the Sandman snippet).
If you weren't a fan before 2007ish, To Live Forever is practically a deep cut now. But also, I got to see Jordan and John do Hourglass (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGRWTstVbs4) from LTE. While that tour wasn't much of surprises as a whole tour, the fact they did a couple at all was kind of cool and still different than what they have done this tour, unless I missed out on some nuggets. I don't recall any one off things like Hourglass or Don't Look Past Me during the D/T/SFAM tour they've been on for the last year.
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Well...the first set seems to be identical to the rest of the tour (with Paralyzed in the third slot).
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2020/eventim-apollo-london-england-439873df.html
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Well...the first set seems to be identical to the rest of the tour (with Paralyzed in the third slot).
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2020/eventim-apollo-london-england-439873df.html
Personally, if anything changes I would expect it to be on night 2, but also, I'm not really anticipating much difference between swapping that with FitL. I do wish for some surprises though. Hopefully it's their best performance too.
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Back from the show.
Good overall performance although felt as if it was lacking a little dynamism. A little je ne sais quoi. Well, I do, but we've been here before.
James pitchy. Mumbly in places. Gave up singing some lines, and was barely audible in the mix (in the first set) to the point that I heard it being discussed in the toilets. It absolutely wasn't the worst night I've seen of his but there were a number of people around me in the second row who were noticeably mouthing wtf. I know there will be other people posting here who'll say he sounded great, and I'll be delighted for them. Honestly.
Cameras were limited in presence tonight. And there was certainly absolutely nothing to explain why my front row centre seats for tomorrow night were moved but perhaps there'll be a track installed tomorrow for additional shots.
Set as you'd expect with Paralyzed.
Got a JP pick :biggrin:
Energy was nowhere near the level it was for the Score show (I was there for that one, too). The atmosphere was electric that night. Utterly transcendent. Although I was less sober, too, which may have had an effect back then :lol
Looking forward to tomorrow night now. Just wish there were going to be more former Voicees in attendance. Lovely to see a few before tonight's show, though.
Also: I want a pair of the jeans James was wearing.
Also also: people in the front row literally - and I mean that literally - had drinks confiscated, with no prior warning, because the show was being filmed. Quite extraordinary.
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Can’t really disagree. I have been a staunch defender of JLB but I will hold my hands up tonight and say he was very poor to the point that it was detrimental to the show, especially the first set which did not sound good at all. The energy picked up with Scenes but not enough, just never really got excited by any of it.
I will say that this is the first time I’ve worn earplugs at a DT show as I now have tinnitus and don’t want to do any further damage. That may account a little for the lack of ooomph, I’m not sure. I would rank this as probably the 2nd worst DT show I’ve seen in 23 years of seeing them and I get no pleasure from saying that. I would have to seriously think about spending £60-70 to see them again if this is how JLB sounds going forward.
Not just JLB though, there was just a lack of energy on stage in general and the crowd didn’t seem all that into it even. Can’t see it making for a great DVD.
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I've seen some reviews on fb saying JLB was great! If not, at least he gets another crack at it tomorrow night.
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I have been seeing that as well..People are stoked :metal
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Can’t really disagree. I have been a staunch defender of JLB but I will hold my hands up tonight and say he was very poor to the point that it was detrimental to the show, especially the first set which did not sound good at all. The energy picked up with Scenes but not enough, just never really got excited by any of it.
I will say that this is the first time I’ve worn earplugs at a DT show as I now have tinnitus and don’t want to do any further damage. That may account a little for the lack of ooomph, I’m not sure. I would rank this as probably the 2nd worst DT show I’ve seen in 23 years of seeing them and I get no pleasure from saying that. I would have to seriously think about spending £60-70 to see them again if this is how JLB sounds going forward.
Not just JLB though, there was just a lack of energy on stage in general and the crowd didn’t seem all that into it even. Can’t see it making for a great DVD.
Re making a good live release, I had that very thought towards the end of the show. Funny what you find yourself thinking. At least the performance itself will be patched-up.
Earplugs and tinnitus: same position as you (wonder if we're a similar age? Couple of years off 50 here). I took one of the plugs out at one stage to hear what it was like and wowee... it was horribly unpleasant. Folks, we talked about this before but I would not, no way, attend this show without earplugs.
But hey, still looking forward to tonight!
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Here you are, a clip of The Spirit Carries On I filmed last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYo3oj5AyRA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYo3oj5AyRA)
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I'm reading many post from Facebook and like %90 of the comments raise James' performance.
I think the last Europe shows he saved his voice for the DVD and he gave his best that night (and hopefully tonight too.) I just watched some London clips from Youtube and James sounds so tight and confident.
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Not just JLB though, there was just a lack of energy on stage in general and the crowd didn’t seem all that into it even. Can’t see it making for a great DVD.
Was the crowd at least standing for the show? If everyone was in their seats it definitely gives that vibe of not being into it, even if people are very much into it. They posted a few days ago asking the crowd to be loud or energetic or something like that and my thought was "good luck with that." I saw the Images and Words anniversary tour in the UK and the crowd made Canadian audiences seem energetic in comparison.
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Here you are, a clip of The Spirit Carries On I filmed last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYo3oj5AyRA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYo3oj5AyRA)
Eesh. Definitely not his worst performance, but still really rough.
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Can’t really disagree. I have been a staunch defender of JLB but I will hold my hands up tonight and say he was very poor to the point that it was detrimental to the show, especially the first set which did not sound good at all. The energy picked up with Scenes but not enough, just never really got excited by any of it.
I will say that this is the first time I’ve worn earplugs at a DT show as I now have tinnitus and don’t want to do any further damage. That may account a little for the lack of ooomph, I’m not sure. I would rank this as probably the 2nd worst DT show I’ve seen in 23 years of seeing them and I get no pleasure from saying that. I would have to seriously think about spending £60-70 to see them again if this is how JLB sounds going forward.
Not just JLB though, there was just a lack of energy on stage in general and the crowd didn’t seem all that into it even. Can’t see it making for a great DVD.
Re making a good live release, I had that very thought towards the end of the show. Funny what you find yourself thinking. At least the performance itself will be patched-up.
Earplugs and tinnitus: same position as you (wonder if we're a similar age? Couple of years off 50 here). I took one of the plugs out at one stage to hear what it was like and wowee... it was horribly unpleasant. Folks, we talked about this before but I would not, no way, attend this show without earplugs.
But hey, still looking forward to tonight!
44 years young! Tinnitus literally came out of nowhere about 16 months ago.
Weird thing was that James struggled really badly on the new songs, you’d think he would at least be able to manage stuff only recently recorded. I will say that this is the first time I’ve ever had this experience with him. He’s always been really good, occasionally superb. He sang the Scenes stuff marginally better, especially the ballads but kept going for crazy notes that be blatantly was not capable of hitting. Maybe me wearing earplugs didn’t help, I don’t know. I saw the Images tour the other year and he was as good as I’ve ever seen him. Hopefully this is just a one-off but I would certainly think twice about spending £150 (including travel and hotel) to see them again. Hopefully he and band/crowd are better tonight and people get a great show.
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Can’t really disagree. I have been a staunch defender of JLB but I will hold my hands up tonight and say he was very poor to the point that it was detrimental to the show, especially the first set which did not sound good at all. The energy picked up with Scenes but not enough, just never really got excited by any of it.
I will say that this is the first time I’ve worn earplugs at a DT show as I now have tinnitus and don’t want to do any further damage. That may account a little for the lack of ooomph, I’m not sure. I would rank this as probably the 2nd worst DT show I’ve seen in 23 years of seeing them and I get no pleasure from saying that. I would have to seriously think about spending £60-70 to see them again if this is how JLB sounds going forward.
Not just JLB though, there was just a lack of energy on stage in general and the crowd didn’t seem all that into it even. Can’t see it making for a great DVD.
Re making a good live release, I had that very thought towards the end of the show. Funny what you find yourself thinking. At least the performance itself will be patched-up.
Earplugs and tinnitus: same position as you (wonder if we're a similar age? Couple of years off 50 here). I took one of the plugs out at one stage to hear what it was like and wowee... it was horribly unpleasant. Folks, we talked about this before but I would not, no way, attend this show without earplugs.
But hey, still looking forward to tonight!
44 years young! Tinnitus literally came out of nowhere about 16 months ago.
Weird thing was that James struggled really badly on the new songs, you’d think he would at least be able to manage stuff only recently recorded. I will say that this is the first time I’ve ever had this experience with him. He’s always been really good, occasionally superb. He sang the Scenes stuff marginally better, especially the ballads but kept going for crazy notes that be blatantly was not capable of hitting. Maybe me wearing earplugs didn’t help, I don’t know. I saw the Images tour the other year and he was as good as I’ve ever seen him. Hopefully this is just a one-off but I would certainly think twice about spending £150 (including travel and hotel) to see them again. Hopefully he and band/crowd are better tonight and people get a great show.
47... and the same thing happened with my tinnitus about two years ago!
So! Tonight! Proper filming went on tonight with a track in front of the stage. Fall Into the Light replaced Paralyzed, otherwise no changes and no special stuff. James was better overall tonight but again went for a few nights he wasn't going to reach. We had the pleasure of being virtually right in front of him, second row, and the effort he puts into singing really is quite something.
Crowd stayed seated until half-way through The Spirit Carries On.
Curiously (I use that word advisedly with respect to last night's incidents!), the front row were allowed to keep their drinks tonight.
Better overall than last night, I would say :)
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Got back from the show a bit ago. I thought it was fantastic! The crowd was seated, but some of us stood at appropriate moments, and the momentum built steadily. I was surprised at the energy in the venue considering we weren't standing the whole time. I was sitting in the 12th row center right.
I thought James sounded great. Not flat all! Even on UA and BW. Maybe sharp once for a couple words. Loved it. He really had superb energy on the stage. This was the 4th time I saw this show and it was the best of them all. Not too soft or loud.
I was sitting next to a young woman who was sooo excited to see Scenes, she showed me her goosebumps (I can't remember the song now :D ) I enjoyed Spirit more than at any show, it was really a moment. Honestly, all of Secenes is a moment. ItPoE was really, really great as well.
Either at the end of the 1st set or Scenes, MM crossed his arms like a genie and slowly sunk down and disappeared. It was fun :metal.
I am sad it's done already and the next tour won't be for a while. Dream Theater never disappoints!
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I don’t post too often but I too was at the London show and thought James was very poor. I was always relieved when he left the stage so that the band could perform instrumentally. I’ve defended him previously to no end and think in the studio he’s a fantastic addition to the band.. but it’s perplexing that he would perform like that given that the show was being filmed. He was also adjusting vocal melodies to go higher which made no sense to me. This is the 8th time I’ve seen them and for the price I paid I expected some form of effort from him, it seemed so half arsed and careless. My partner was excited to hear metropolis for the first time and couldn’t understand what the Hell he was saying. I might not go again. On the other hand the band itself were phenomenal, the technicality and sound was insane and I’m constantly dumbfounded by their ability. JLB did nail in the presence of enemies to be fair to him, but to release this performance on DVD would be a catastrophe imo. It’s a shame because he really detracted from the band last night, a feeling I’ve not had for the previous 7 shows
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Weird how our perspectives are different...
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Weird how our perspectives are different...
The comments on facebook about the London shows are VERY positive and there's a lot of excitement regarding the dvd. Some complaints about the sound in the venue, some complain that the vocals were occasionally drowned out by the guitar. That's no problem regarding the dvd, and some wrong notes, if there have been any, can be fixed. I have no doubt they have the material for a great dvd!
About JLB, he definitely had superb energy on stage when I saw the show in Oberhausen! Since the start of the tour I never heard any comments about him being half-arsed or careless on stage, quite the opposite. Really strange that different people seem to have seen different shows even if they were at the same concert :D
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Is there a vocalist as controversial as JLB in the genere?
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Any changes to the set on night 2?
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So! Tonight! Proper filming went on tonight with a track in front of the stage. Fall Into the Light replaced Paralyzed, otherwise no changes and no special stuff.
How disappointing. Two nights for a live DVD/Bly-ray and it's the exact same set list both nights except for one spot? :tdwn :tdwn
I have long defended their set list choices since Portnoy's departure, but even with Scenes being played both nights, you are telling me they couldn't have had totally different set 1's and encores?
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Probably would have been a lot of extra work to have a totally different set 1 each night. Way smarter to film the same thing twice, so you have some options in case of a problem one night or the other.
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BW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEvUSwhFwtk
TSCO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHZAO6DhKfM
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Probably would have been a lot of extra work to have a totally different set 1 each night. Way smarter to film the same thing twice, so you have some options in case of a problem one night or the other.
Yeah, we would hate the band to do any extra work for a live album/video that they plan to release and make money off of, right? ;)
And while most of them pre-dated 2011, should I point out that the band's history is loaded with shows on back to back nights with different set lists? They could easily do it again if they wanted.
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BW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEvUSwhFwtk
TSCO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHZAO6DhKfM
- both from night 2-
Come on, James sounds quite good! Sure, he has his "moments" ("and where dhew I belong"), but all in all he sounds like he sounded at my gig - quite acceptable, with some minor forgivable slips, and equally great moments as well.
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Probably would have been a lot of extra work to have a totally different set 1 each night. Way smarter to film the same thing twice, so you have some options in case of a problem one night or the other.
Yeah, we would hate the band to do any extra work for a live album/video that they plan to release and make money off of, right? ;)
And while most of them pre-dated 2011, should I point out that the band's history is loaded with shows on back to back nights with different set lists? They could easily do it again if they wanted.
I don't think that it has ever been easy and they don't get younger. Different setlists mean a lot more to memorize and to rehearse. Most people attend only one show per tour. I'm thankful that they do 3 hour shows, how many bands do that on a regular basis?
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Probably would have been a lot of extra work to have a totally different set 1 each night. Way smarter to film the same thing twice, so you have some options in case of a problem one night or the other.
Agreed. That way they can pick "the best of" from both nights for the release, and I'm sure we'll at least get Paralyzed and FITL when it comes out. From what I've heard so far, the second night was a the better performance and more cameras. So it's likely the dvd will contain more footage from the second night..
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Got back from the show a bit ago. I thought it was fantastic! The crowd was seated, but some of us stood at appropriate moments, and the momentum built steadily. I was surprised at the energy in the venue considering we weren't standing the whole time. I was sitting in the 12th row center right.
I thought James sounded great. Not flat all! Even on UA and BW. Maybe sharp once for a couple words. Loved it. He really had superb energy on the stage. This was the 4th time I saw this show and it was the best of them all. Not too soft or loud.
I was sitting next to a young woman who was sooo excited to see Scenes, she showed me her goosebumps (I can't remember the song now :D ) I enjoyed Spirit more than at any show, it was really a moment. Honestly, all of Secenes is a moment. ItPoE was really, really great as well.
Either at the end of the 1st set or Scenes, MM crossed his arms like a genie and slowly sunk down and disappeared. It was fun :metal.
I am sad it's done already and the next tour won't be for a while. Dream Theater never disappoints!
I love reading your show reviews. :) I considered going to the London shows when they announced the filming, but decided against it. For a number of reasons - recovering from what I spent on the North American tour, being a little down in general and not looking into whether I could make it work, family stuff, etc. But another reason was the seated crowd. It was so frustrating for the I&W and beyond tour. And it seemed like a lot of people up front wanted to stand, but thought they couldn't. And I guess they were right - a few of us in the front row tried and were told to sit by venue staff. It was weird. If they were playing near me and the audience was known to sit, I'd still go. I didn't want to travel for it though when I had such a great experience with the SFAM tour last year.
I'm glad the show was a great experience for you and I'm very much looking forward to the DVD. I know we already have Scenes live, but I'm not at all opposed to a second life version. And I'd love to have the live versions of the Distance Over Time songs. Especially At Wit's End. And Pale Blue Dot. And Barstool Warrior...
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I know this seems weird but having been a drummer since 5
years old, from a visual aesthetic standpoint, I can't stand watching
MM play with all his cymbals so high. I've heard his explanation for
why he does it. It looks so straining and unnatural. The results are
perfectly fine but long term...his traps, shoulders and neck will
pay a price. The odd thing is, no other drummer I know suffers from
sound bleed or other sonic issues while using a more posture friendly,
traditional approach.
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Not a drummer and no idea whether it adversely affects him physically but it does look odd, he doesn’t look “cool” playing the drums. Obviously he is an absolute beast technically though and seems to hit incredibly hard with very little noticeable effort.
I have generally really enjoyed watching him live but have to say that the end of Finally Free sounds a mess with what he’s done with it. He seems like he’s trying to do a drum solo spot but it sounds completely out of place with the riff playing over it. Not saying he has to copy Portnoy’s parts but he should still attempt to make whatever he’s doing fit the song.
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Apparently they did Glasgow Kiss in Glasgow rather than Paralyzed/FITL.
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So! Tonight! Proper filming went on tonight with a track in front of the stage. Fall Into the Light replaced Paralyzed, otherwise no changes and no special stuff.
How disappointing. Two nights for a live DVD/Bly-ray and it's the exact same set list both nights except for one spot? :tdwn :tdwn
I have long defended their set list choices since Portnoy's departure, but even with Scenes being played both nights, you are telling me they couldn't have had totally different set 1's and encores?
Probably would have been a lot of extra work to have a totally different set 1 each night. Way smarter to film the same thing twice, so you have some options in case of a problem one night or the other.
Yeah, we would hate the band to do any extra work for a live album/video that they plan to release and make money off of, right? ;)
And while most of them pre-dated 2011, should I point out that the band's history is loaded with shows on back to back nights with different set lists? They could easily do it again if they wanted.
Be careful mister - you're starting to sound like me! :lol
I don't think that it has ever been easy and they don't get younger. Different setlists mean a lot more to memorize and to rehearse. Most people attend only one show per tour. I'm thankful that they do 3 hour shows, how many bands do that on a regular basis?
It is still possible, but it takes more effort. And even then, let's say they just have alternating setlists instead of rotating setlists - that is more than doable. If Rush can do it (as they did on their last two tours), so can DT. Remember, JP has the mantra "what would Rush do?"
Yes, you are correct that "most" fans only attend one show per tour, but there are plenty (even if a fraction) that would happily attend more shows if the setlist was changed up from night to night. Now that the setlist is essentially static (1 song swapped - really?), many of those fans including myself don't bother trying to see multiple shows.
And let's be clear about one more thing that has become a bit of a pet-peeve - these are not "3 hour shows" - the intermission time means nothing. Subtracting that time, the current show runs about 2 hours and 30 minutes, give or take a couple minutes, including various taped introductory bits. Previous Evening With setlists with MM have been 10 minutes longer at best, and I doubt the TA shows even clocked in at a full 2 hours and 30 minutes. Interestingly enough, the full show from L@LP clocks in at 2 hours and 33 minutes and they did that show without an intermission *and* were swapping out 6 songs on that leg of the tour. So again, it is not unreasonable for them to swap out more songs than they are doing.
Apparently they did Glasgow Kiss in Glasgow rather than Paralyzed/FITL.
You forgot to write that in green type. :P
Not a drummer and no idea whether it adversely affects him physically but it does look odd, he doesn’t look “cool” playing the drums. Obviously he is an absolute beast technically though and seems to hit incredibly hard with very little noticeable effort.
I'd give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. I can't imagine the man would do something to show off while in turn it causes more abuse to his body that could shorten the amount of time he could play drums in his lifetime. He addressed this topic in the recently posted thread about the band's new live rig rundown videos. Check out his explanation here: https://youtu.be/H7UlBm-iuP8?t=155
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I know this seems weird but having been a drummer since 5
years old, from a visual aesthetic standpoint, I can't stand watching
MM play with all his cymbals so high. I've heard his explanation for
why he does it. It looks so straining and unnatural. The results are
perfectly fine but long term...his traps, shoulders and neck will
pay a price. The odd thing is, no other drummer I know suffers from
sound bleed or other sonic issues while using a more posture friendly,
traditional approach.
He's been drumming with high cymbals since way back when.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3-g0BKtPeE
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Why, here is the answer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7UlBm-iuP8&t=703s
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Not a drummer and no idea whether it adversely affects him physically but it does look odd, he doesn’t look “cool” playing the drums. Obviously he is an absolute beast technically though and seems to hit incredibly hard with very little noticeable effort.
I have generally really enjoyed watching him live but have to say that the end of Finally Free sounds a mess with what he’s done with it. He seems like he’s trying to do a drum solo spot but it sounds completely out of place with the riff playing over it. Not saying he has to copy Portnoy’s parts but he should still attempt to make whatever he’s doing fit the song.
Here you are, the outro I recorded from the second night for your enjoyment ;) - https://youtu.be/9OqG1UU_Q8A
It doesn't sound right to me at all but I suspect someone will explain why it's a genius piece of composition designed to cause discomfort to the concert goer, in line with the story, performed in 28/19, ceding to a 21/16 polyrhythm powered by flux capacitor.
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It doesn't sound right to me at all but I suspect someone will explain why it's a genius piece of composition designed to cause discomfort to the concert goer, in line with the story, performed in 28/19, ceding to a 21/16 polyrhythm powered by flux capacitor.
That's it, you got it in one! It was supposed to be FUNNY, it was supposed to make you laugh, or at least smile. It's a throwback to the days when this band actually had a bit of humour in their shows. It was the last vestiges of the Zappa influence shining through...
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Apparently they did Glasgow Kiss in Glasgow rather than Paralyzed/FITL.
This has since been changed to Paralyzed on setlist.fm so I don't know now.
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Not a drummer and no idea whether it adversely affects him physically but it does look odd, he doesn’t look “cool” playing the drums. Obviously he is an absolute beast technically though and seems to hit incredibly hard with very little noticeable effort.
I have generally really enjoyed watching him live but have to say that the end of Finally Free sounds a mess with what he’s done with it. He seems like he’s trying to do a drum solo spot but it sounds completely out of place with the riff playing over it. Not saying he has to copy Portnoy’s parts but he should still attempt to make whatever he’s doing fit the song.
Here you are, the outro I recorded from the second night for your enjoyment ;) - https://youtu.be/9OqG1UU_Q8A
It doesn't sound right to me at all but I suspect someone will explain why it's a genius piece of composition designed to cause discomfort to the concert goer, in line with the story, performed in 28/19, ceding to a 21/16 polyrhythm powered by flux capacitor.
It's a tough sell for me because Portnoy's outro on LSFNY was probably my favorite MP moment across all of DT's live releases. MM has tough shoes to fill there no matter what he does.
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The Finally Free drum solo is pretty cool! I was disappointed with the last DVD when the drum solo seemed to be very toned down from the original. But what MM does now is definitely in the spirit of it :lol
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Apparently they did Glasgow Kiss in Glasgow rather than Paralyzed/FITL.
This has since been changed to Paralyzed on setlist.fm so I don't know now.
setlist.fm is the wikipedia of setlists, so if something is unusual, don't expect it to be the truth until verified by a legitimate source. ;)
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Remember, JP has the mantra "what would Rush do?"
While I often defer to you when it comes to specific DT knowledge, I kinda feel like I have to call this out just a bit as not quite being accurate. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my recollection is that this was a passing comment he said off the cuff once or twice, and it is actually the fans that have run with it and created the mythos of it being the "DT mantra." I suspect that, if asked, JP would reject that characterization out of hand.
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Apparently they did Glasgow Kiss in Glasgow rather than Paralyzed/FITL.
What's "Glasgow Kiss," and what evidence is there of this? Setlist.fm lists the normal set list.
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Apparently they did Glasgow Kiss in Glasgow rather than Paralyzed/FITL.
What's "Glasgow Kiss," and what evidence is there of this? Setlist.fm lists the normal set list.
A JP song, it was clearly someone messing around to make people think they performed it. Although being the last show of the tour, sometimes things like that do happen, but being that it got corrected, it seems more like a troll.
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Not a drummer and no idea whether it adversely affects him physically but it does look odd, he doesn’t look “cool” playing the drums. Obviously he is an absolute beast technically though and seems to hit incredibly hard with very little noticeable effort.
I have generally really enjoyed watching him live but have to say that the end of Finally Free sounds a mess with what he’s done with it. He seems like he’s trying to do a drum solo spot but it sounds completely out of place with the riff playing over it. Not saying he has to copy Portnoy’s parts but he should still attempt to make whatever he’s doing fit the song.
Here you are, the outro I recorded from the second night for your enjoyment ;) - https://youtu.be/9OqG1UU_Q8A
It doesn't sound right to me at all but I suspect someone will explain why it's a genius piece of composition designed to cause discomfort to the concert goer, in line with the story, performed in 28/19, ceding to a 21/16 polyrhythm powered by flux capacitor.
Finally got to watching this.
It's like he's messing around with the guys, trying to throw them off. Basically, having some musical fun. This one was way way weird and has off beats but is there. I need to hear the whole ending though, not just the part where Mangini goes crazy music math nerd mode.
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So! Tonight! Proper filming went on tonight with a track in front of the stage. Fall Into the Light replaced Paralyzed, otherwise no changes and no special stuff.
How disappointing. Two nights for a live DVD/Bly-ray and it's the exact same set list both nights except for one spot? :tdwn :tdwn
I have long defended their set list choices since Portnoy's departure, but even with Scenes being played both nights, you are telling me they couldn't have had totally different set 1's and encores?
I agree, this is pretty disappointing. I get them not wanting to learn tons of extra material for rotating setlists anymore, but the first few tours with Mangini still had some variety in the sets. Live at Luna Park has 35 minutes of bonus tracks for that reason. This has been a really boring tour to follow - no surprises and not much to discuss. You'd think they'd rotate in more of the new songs over time - it's one thing to put out one of your shortest albums ever, but then to ignore four out of ten new songs all year doesn't exactly sound like a band convinced of the merits of its new material.
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I would be interested in knowing how the band determines the setlist, or if management has something to do with it.
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Management has no role.
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So! Tonight! Proper filming went on tonight with a track in front of the stage. Fall Into the Light replaced Paralyzed, otherwise no changes and no special stuff.
How disappointing. Two nights for a live DVD/Bly-ray and it's the exact same set list both nights except for one spot? :tdwn :tdwn
I have long defended their set list choices since Portnoy's departure, but even with Scenes being played both nights, you are telling me they couldn't have had totally different set 1's and encores?
I agree, this is pretty disappointing. I get them not wanting to learn tons of extra material for rotating setlists anymore, but the first few tours with Mangini still had some variety in the sets. Live at Luna Park has 35 minutes of bonus tracks for that reason. This has been a really boring tour to follow - no surprises and not much to discuss. You'd think they'd rotate in more of the new songs over time - it's one thing to put out one of your shortest albums ever, but then to ignore four out of ten new songs all year doesn't exactly sound like a band convinced of the merits of its new material.
Pretty much agree besides the bold. They still did 60% of the album live and even more if you look at time since some of the shorter songs weren't played. Although it's really 66.7% since I'm not sure Viper King should count, but basically they played enough to not make me believe they weren't convinved of the merits of the new material. Not at all. Very much the opposite actually.
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Management has no role.
and why would they? I remember JP referencing them using an Excel spreadsheet to construct the setlists. (he mentioned it during the studio interviews at Yonderbarn IIRC)
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Management has no role.
and why would they?
Exactly.
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Management has no role.
Ok thanks, that would be a shame if management called the shots. DT strikes me as a band of integrity, so it makes sense that they create the setlist.
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Think of it this way...
They decided on a Time of 2:30 to play, possibly to allow JLB to be able to sing the scenes set each night without putting too much strain on his vocals with a 30 more minutes. You figure in how long Scenes is total, plus D/T songs the band really wanted to play this tour. That gives you a certain amount of time for other choices.
I was one that was glad they chose ANTR and ITPOE Pt.1.
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Their show is basically all laid out in a Pro Tools session. If any of you have seen their shows this tour, they're basically perfect regarding lights, video, musical tightness and overall sync. Their light show is super precise, their videos are in incredible sync with the music and basically the pacing is very well thought and planned. I understand they've planned their concerts like if they were musicals, in which they were doing the same play each and every night but with precise and perfect production. That's the way DT is now and I don't think they're going back to their old new setlist each and every night mojo. Portnoy loved doing that, but we don't really know if the rest of the guys were totally on board with that. I mean, obviously they were on board at some extent, but maybe after Portnoy's departure was a chance for JP to lay down and go like "alright, it's time to change things up a bit".
I do miss the rotating setlists and the excitement of logging into this forum to see which rare B-side they pulled off, but I'm OK with things being the way they are. They are tight AF. The show has never been as rehearsed and perfect as it is nowadays. I'm all in for the click track, because DT's music lends itself pretty well to the use of it. That being said, I do miss the the "freedom" of the MP era but hey, you can't have everything. I had my pretty big share of MP era DT shows and live releases, so I welcome the new ways for a change. Most of DT's repertoire is documented in live format by this point, so having them release (once again) material from SFAM is something that kinda makes sense. I'm not overly excited about it, but it's cool nevertheless.
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I didn't get to see DT on this tour so I'm very much looking forward to seeing Scenes on dvd with this new presentation.
I really hope someday, that they perhaps do a one-off The Astonishing show with a big production and release a video of it.
The fact that TA tour did not get documented is the biggest crime in DT history. Great Show, great lighting and sound, and JLB really shined.. His "moment in the sun" so to speak. ☀
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I didn't get to see DT on this tour so I'm very much looking forward to seeing Scenes on dvd with this new presentation.
I really hope someday, that they perhaps do a one-off The Astonishing show with a big production and release a video of it.
The fact that TA tour did not get documented is the biggest crime in DT history. Great Show, great lighting and sound, and JLB really shined.. His "moment in the sun" so to speak. ☀
preach, while I know TA wasn't a fan hit, it definitely deserved a video of the show, more so than any of their last couple and this new video IMO. It was just too unique and honestly, very good (I know that's my opinion) to not be made, but well it's too late now. I can't ever see them doing a one off show to do this, that's asking a lot from an aging band that doesn't really do anything truly unique and one off anymore.
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It would have to be when they play a venue two nights in a row or something, kind of like they did when they played DSOTM and recorded it for a nice Ytsejam release..
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Their show is basically all laid out in a Pro Tools session. If any of you have seen their shows this tour, they're basically perfect regarding lights, video, musical tightness and overall sync. Their light show is super precise, their videos are in incredible sync with the music and basically the pacing is very well thought and planned. I understand they've planned their concerts like if they were musicals, in which they were doing the same play each and every night but with precise and perfect production. That's the way DT is now and I don't think they're going back to their old new setlist each and every night mojo. Portnoy loved doing that, but we don't really know if the rest of the guys were totally on board with that. I mean, obviously they were on board at some extent, but maybe after Portnoy's departure was a chance for JP to lay down and go like "alright, it's time to change things up a bit".
I do miss the rotating setlists and the excitement of logging into this forum to see which rare B-side they pulled off, but I'm OK with things being the way they are. They are tight AF. The show has never been as rehearsed and perfect as it is nowadays. I'm all in for the click track, because DT's music lends itself pretty well to the use of it. That being said, I do miss the the "freedom" of the MP era but hey, you can't have everything. I had my pretty big share of MP era DT shows and live releases, so I welcome the new ways for a change. Most of DT's repertoire is documented in live format by this point, so having them release (once again) material from SFAM is something that kinda makes sense. I'm not overly excited about it, but it's cool nevertheless.
Yup, and at the end of the day, they still have to play the music live, which continues to be amazing.
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It would have to be when they play a venue two nights in a row or something, kind of like they did when they played DSOTM and recorded it for a nice Ytsejam release..
so like what they literally didn't do a few nights ago?
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It shocks me to think that anyone could look at this tour and think DT doesnt have confidence in their new material. They played quite a bit of it every single night, and even used one of the new tracks as an encore.
There's no reason for DT to have to play every song off an album on its inaugural tour. Saving something for later isn't a bad practice, and it is one DT has used many times in the past.
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This will all come down to my own personal preference, but for my money, Untethered Angel and Paralyzed are undoubtedly the two weak links from D/T (both solid tunes, but nothing more, IMO), and yet one was the opener for the entire tour (even when I saw them live, I was bored with it as the opener), and the other rotated with what I consider the best song from the album. The set list would have benefited so much had Fall into the Light been played every night, they had found a way to work in both S2N and Room 137 (those two could have been rotated), and Untethered Angel been avoided altogether.
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It would have to be when they play a venue two nights in a row or something, kind of like they did when they played DSOTM and recorded it for a nice Ytsejam release..
so like what they literally didn't do a few nights ago?
Yeah, pretty much!
But at least for that one, they got two nights to choose from when making the dvd.
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Remember, JP has the mantra "what would Rush do?"
While I often defer to you when it comes to specific DT knowledge, I kinda feel like I have to call this out just a bit as not quite being accurate. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my recollection is that this was a passing comment he said off the cuff once or twice, and it is actually the fans that have run with it and created the mythos of it being the "DT mantra." I suspect that, if asked, JP would reject that characterization out of hand.
Nope. He definitely abides by WWRD regarding the band - it's just to varying degrees. For the most part, he holds pretty true to it, but there are definitely some things that he diverges from. Don't forget that Rush is his favorite band, and he respects those guys and their organization to the nth degree. And given the success that they had on their own terms as well as how he loves the way they presented themselves in all aspects in the studio and live, he wants to closely follow the pattern they set.
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"WWRD do?" JP has good taste in music! :tup
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Remember, JP has the mantra "what would Rush do?"
While I often defer to you when it comes to specific DT knowledge, I kinda feel like I have to call this out just a bit as not quite being accurate. Correct me if I'm wrong, but my recollection is that this was a passing comment he said off the cuff once or twice, and it is actually the fans that have run with it and created the mythos of it being the "DT mantra." I suspect that, if asked, JP would reject that characterization out of hand.
Nope. He definitely abides by WWRD regarding the band - it's just to varying degrees. For the most part, he holds pretty true to it, but there are definitely some things that he diverges from. Don't forget that Rush is his favorite band, and he respects those guys and their organization to the nth degree. And given the success that they had on their own terms as well as how he loves the way they presented themselves in all aspects in the studio and live, he wants to closely follow the pattern they set.
Yeah, I'm not so sure about that. There's a difference between having huge respect for one's favorite band, and having "WWRD" as a "mantra." Again, I think you're reading way too much into a stray comment that wasn't intended to be what you are making it out to be.
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Yeah, I'm not so sure about that. There's a difference between having huge respect for one's favorite band, and having "WWRD" as a "mantra." Again, I think you're reading way too much into a stray comment that wasn't intended to be what you are making it out to be.
https://www.metalinsider.net/interviews/exclusive-dream-theaters-john-petrucci-talks-about-decision-to-remain-on-roadrunner-win-a-signed-film-cell
Did the signing of fellow prog band Rush play into your decision to continue with Roadrunner?
Absolutely! We’re huge Rush fans, and we operate by WWRD, What Would Rush Do, in terms of career choices, from having Hugh Syme do our artwork to always trying to get our shows to come as close to a great Rush show as possible. So the fact that they signed to Roadrunner meant a lot to us. We’re happy for Roadrunner, and it was a great move, and it’s huge. It puts us into great company with our contemporaries, and gives the label a lock on the progressive scene. That definitely played a factor.
https://www.loudersound.com/features/the-prog-interview-john-petrucci
In the past, it’s been mentioned that if Dream Theater are unsure about something, you use the maxim: “What would Rush do?” Does that still hold true?
Ha, yes, it does in a lot of instances. Even for us, there are iconic bands out there who we still look up to, and we may try to emulate some of the decisions they would make. You could be sitting there, trying to make a decision, and think, “Hmm. Would Geddy do that?”
I stand by my comment.
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I stand by my comment.
You are entitled to. But I think context is important, so I stand by my opinion as well. :)
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I stand by my comment.
You are entitled to. But I think context is important, so I stand by my opinion as well. :)
Well, since you're not a Rush fan.. :biggrin:
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I didn't get to see DT on this tour so I'm very much looking forward to seeing Scenes on dvd with this new presentation.
I really hope someday, that they perhaps do a one-off The Astonishing show with a big production and release a video of it.
The fact that TA tour did not get documented is the biggest crime in DT history. Great Show, great lighting and sound, and JLB really shined.. His "moment in the sun" so to speak. ☀
Agreed. The Astonishing was the tour to record and release video footage from and it saddens me greatly it didn't happen. I'm still blindly hoping for a massive DT video release documenting separate concerts from three different tours (TA, I&W and DOT/SFAM), something like Nightwish's Vehicle of Spirit or Metallica's Live Shit. It's obviously not gonna happen but a man can dream.
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It would be cool if they packaged that Budokan video that never made it out with the new video, but I'm not betting on that happening. It seems more likely that Budokan video never sees the light of day for an official release.
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It would be cool if they packaged that Budokan video that never made it out with the new video, but I'm not betting on that happening. It seems more likely that Budokan video never sees the light of day for an official release.
What video are you talking about?
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It would be cool if they packaged that Budokan video that never made it out with the new video, but I'm not betting on that happening. It seems more likely that Budokan video never sees the light of day for an official release.
What video are you talking about?
https://metalinjection.net/upcoming-releases/dream-theater-to-release-back-to-budokan-2017-live-album-soon (https://metalinjection.net/upcoming-releases/dream-theater-to-release-back-to-budokan-2017-live-album-soon)
It is against forum rules to share any videos that made their way to the public on this, I haven't looked but I know I watched some back a year or two ago when this was actively being talked about here and thought it was awesome.
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It would be cool if they packaged that Budokan video that never made it out with the new video, but I'm not betting on that happening. It seems more likely that Budokan video never sees the light of day for an official release.
What video are you talking about?
https://metalinjection.net/upcoming-releases/dream-theater-to-release-back-to-budokan-2017-live-album-soon (https://metalinjection.net/upcoming-releases/dream-theater-to-release-back-to-budokan-2017-live-album-soon)
It is against forum rules to share any videos that made their way to the public on this, I haven't looked but I know I watched some back a year or two ago when this was actively being talked about here and thought it was awesome.
just saying... I bought a DVD of this... so it's out there. (hope I am not in trouble ???) ..and I haven't had a chance to watch it yet...
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Did we ever get word as to why that wasn't officially released? Because I would absolutely love to have that.
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Great review of the first London show:
https://www.rocksins.com/2020/02/dream-theater-scenes-from-a-memory-live-a-love-letter-from-londons-hammersmith-apollo-38919/
I hope this translates on an awesome Blu-ray!
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Did we ever get word as to why that wasn't officially released? Because I would absolutely love to have that.
I'd love to have it too. As far as I remember, there were issues with the final mix, but bosk or Scotty may correct me on that.
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Great review of the first London show:
https://www.rocksins.com/2020/02/dream-theater-scenes-from-a-memory-live-a-love-letter-from-londons-hammersmith-apollo-38919/
I hope this translates on an awesome Blu-ray!
another one, second London show
https://puregrainaudio.com/reviews/dream-theater-deliver-a-spectacular-three-hour-evening-at-londons-hammersmith-apollo-show-review#disqus_thread
and this one (1st show)
http://www.metaltalk.net/dream-theater-bring-the-memories-back-to-life-at-stunning-london-show.php?fbclid=IwAR3fbZat_ZEtBAo7ntywPC3gZhRFex0nzX37tyqRT_0fAFuzzwxsAYdRIyI
Great to see these rave reviews :metal
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It would be cool if they packaged that Budokan video that never made it out with the new video, but I'm not betting on that happening. It seems more likely that Budokan video never sees the light of day for an official release.
What video are you talking about?
https://metalinjection.net/upcoming-releases/dream-theater-to-release-back-to-budokan-2017-live-album-soon (https://metalinjection.net/upcoming-releases/dream-theater-to-release-back-to-budokan-2017-live-album-soon)
It is against forum rules to share any videos that made their way to the public on this, I haven't looked but I know I watched some back a year or two ago when this was actively being talked about here and thought it was awesome.
just saying... I bought a DVD of this... so it's out there. (hope I am not in trouble ???) ..and I haven't had a chance to watch it yet...
You should watch it, it's good :tup
Has there ever been an official announcement about a dvd release of it? It has been filmed for japanese tv broadcast, so I guess the rights belong to WOWOW, not to DT. It would be an awesome addition to the upcoming DVD, at least it was filmed, unlike The Astonishing :'(
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Sorry guys for those that haven't seen this tour and had tickets to see it. It was inevitable that they had to make this announcement.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETRJtRhWAAEMC-g?format=jpg&name=large)
https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1239748290138251264
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I've been getting a trickle of emails about concerts I have to tickets to getting postponed. This sucks but it's for the best right now.
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Maybe the perfect JLB replacement singer who sounds just like him exists in the Philippines
Or maybe in Chile
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=65Fyhw03ce0
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Maybe the perfect JLB replacement singer who sounds just like him exists in the Philippines
Or maybe in Chile
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=65Fyhw03ce0
holy shit!!!! :o :o :o
Nicky Spanjaards he is not. Has about the same stage presence though.
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Maybe the perfect JLB replacement singer who sounds just like him exists in the Philippines
Or maybe in Chile
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=65Fyhw03ce0
Got a little dodgy during the "try to push me 'round" part of the second verse. Would've been nice to hear/read the judges' (translated) comments. The guy with long hair seemed to like it, and I think I saw the guy on the other end drumming along at one point. The girl in the middle, however, seemed lost.
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Man he even had the mannerisms down