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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: The Letter M on December 31, 2018, 12:15:43 AM
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In the revived thread about the keyboard-based pattern found DT's album releases, it was brought up that perhaps the band might still release the Budokan show from 2017 AFTER they release DOT, which got me thinking....
If the band released a live album after DOT came out, which would you rather have? Both have a full album played live (IAW at Budokan, and SFAM from the DOT tour), and will feature another set of other songs.
For the Budokan show, this means some fan favorites, but only four songs that have yet to be released live by the band (The Bigger Picture, Hell's Kitchen, The Gift of Music, Our New World). Otherwise, if you're a longtime fan, you've got most of these songs already, and even 7 of the 8 IAW songs have been released with MM playing on them (between Live At Luna Park at the free Christmas digital album they released from that same tour).
For the DOT Tour, we're not quite sure what we'll get in the first half of the show, though we can assume it will mostly feature NEW songs from the upcoming album, along with a couple of others from their back catalog. Set two will feature SFAM played live in its entirety, which hasn't had as many of its songs released with MM live as IAW (only 7 out of the album's 12 tracks between LALP, Happy Holidays, and BTFW), so we'll finally get live renditions of "Regression", "Through Her Eyes","Beyond This Life", "Home" and "One Last Time" with the current line-up, which should be a treat! Then there's also whatever the encore might hold, which could be any of their epics that they haven't played in a decade (Octavarium, ITPOE, ITNOG...who knows!).
So which live show would you rather see them release after DOT?
-Marc.
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DOT. More new stuff, the encore, and I like Scenes better than IaW.
Maybe, if according to the pattern for more live albums, there is still a chance for a TA live...
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DOT. More new stuff, the encore, and I like Scenes better than IaW.
Maybe, if according to the pattern for more live albums, there is still a chance for a TA live...
Agreed about the "more new stuff" part - undoubtedly, the first set of the upcoming tour will feature a good amount of the new album (which isn't even an hour long anyway), and hopefully a couple of songs they hadn't yet played live on previous tours.
With regards to SFAM over IAW, as much as I personally love both albums, I am a bit sick of IAW in comparison. Granted, the band DID release LSFNY, which features the album in its entirety, but a lot of die-hard fans have heard most of IAW so much over the years between the Live In Tokyo and Marquee shows, many of the songs appearing on LSFNY, the IAW 15th Anniversary show from the Fan Club, and 7 of the 8 songs being released after the ADTOE Tour (between LALP and Happy Holidays 2013). Give SFAM some more love, and lay the IAW songs to rest for a tour!
-Marc.
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Granted, the band DID release LSFNY, which features the album in its entirety
This is a big reason why I don't know how I would vote. If the SFaM they perform on the upcoming tour is significantly different from the album and live version on LSFNY (similar to the alterations they made for IaW on the IWaB tour), I'd be more likely to vote for the upcoming tour. But if it's gonna be very close to the album or what they did for LSFNY, I'd prefer the Return to Budokan release, with bonus tracks of DLPM and TLF from the North American tour.
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I would rather wait and see what they do after the SFAM2 tour. If they do another leg where it's a mixed bag + a bunch of D/T, I'd rather they release that than any "full album" tour. Of course, they could release The Astonishing Live, Back to Budokan, LSFAM2, and a D/T mixed bag show and I would buy all four releases. So I don't care, really. The more the better.
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My vote is for whichever performance sounds best...which will probably be the upcoming one.
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How bout a live release where they pick performances from different tours/shows/nights? That way they could cover some tracks or even have a section for the Astonishing, new stuff from DoT and any other tracks that they particularly enjoyed or maybe haven’t been documented live that much. Be a good way to cover a bit of ground, plus get the better performances.
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I have Budokan 2017 downloaded, and also in audio format (I took the audio from the video download, and the spoken parts between songs are taken from the bootleg). SFAM 2000 is my least favourite DT release (below Marquee and even A Sort Of Homecoming), so, SFAM without the rushing tempo would be a bless for me; I'm not a fan of Teresa doing Victoria parts in TSCO, also.
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I mean I don't know what would happen if they release Kevin Moore, but I'm curious.
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I don't have that interest for live release anymore so I voted for no more live albums. I found myself watching live dvd's once nowadays and then it just goes to shell gather dust.
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I found myself watching live dvd's once nowadays and then it just goes to shell gather dust.
I feel you. The nice thing about a live DVD is that you see a concert you haven't witnessed, or reliving one you've been at but with the comfort of your own house and nice and clear images. Once you've seen that concert, the novelty of it wears off and there are only so many times you can see the same songs and the same show and the same moves and the same crowd banter before getting "bored" with it.
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How bout a live release where they pick performances from different tours/shows/nights? That way they could cover some tracks or even have a section for the Astonishing, new stuff from DoT and any other tracks that they particularly enjoyed or maybe haven’t been documented live that much. Be a good way to cover a bit of ground, plus get the better performances.
On paper, such an idea sounds great. But in practice, not so much. I guess I'd be fine if they did a live release picking out the best performances of individual songs from a single tour (like what was done on Chaos in Motion 2007-2008), but not when songs are included from multiple tours - then it feels more like a live compilation than a live album.
The other caveat is that going this route will make shooting a proper video cost prohibitive for a band of DT's stature, which is not a major issue for me (see below), but I'm sure would be a sticking point for many fans.
I found myself watching live dvd's once nowadays and then it just goes to shell gather dust.
I feel you. The nice thing about a live DVD is that you see a concert you haven't witnessed, or reliving one you've been at but with the comfort of your own house and nice and clear images. Once you've seen that concert, the novelty of it wears off and there are only so many times you can see the same songs and the same show and the same moves and the same crowd banter before getting "bored" with it.
This is one of the reasons why I'm more of a fan of live albums (as in, without video) - the chances of me sitting down to watch a concert video are pretty much nil. If I'm gonna sit down to watch something for a few hours, it will be a movie or TV show. On the other hand, listening to the audio of a concert is something that I do regularly.
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Live videos made more sense when seeing performances was rare. Like the G3 shows - my first exposure was the video, and it's an experience I couldn't possible get to (at that point in time). Now I can just go to youtube and see just about any performance from any band ever... It's taken away from the uniqueness of concert dvds.
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Live videos made more sense when seeing performances was rare. Like the G3 shows - my first exposure was the video, and it's an experience I couldn't possible get to (at that point in time). Now I can just go to youtube and see just about any performance from any band ever... It's taken away from the uniqueness of concert dvds.
Except for when you are a Tool fan. I would absolutely love a Tool DVD. But I guess it will never happen.
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plenty of bootleg recordings though
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Whatever they do next for a live album, I just want it to sound less processed. BTFW and LALP honestly don't even sound like live albums.
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Rather have a full Astonishing show, but failing that a recording of the upcoming live show will do.
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I selected "Kevin Moore" because none of the others really fit. I don't need another live album anytime soon, but I wouldn't say no more live albums ever. If The Astonishing ever clicks with me, that would probably what I'd want.
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I would rather them feature Distance Over Time if they do a second leg with a new set list, with a nice mix of songs from their catalog. That would be cooler to me rather than having all of Scenes as the second set. Also, include some songs from TA such as Ravenskill, Chosen, and Moment of Betrayal.
Final Encore: Maybe Octavarium in its entirety ?
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Final Encore: Maybe Octavarium in its entirety ?
EeeGad! I can't imagine Octavarium being played, but not in it's entirety :omg:
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Final Encore: Maybe Octavarium in its entirety ?
EeeGad! I can't imagine Octavarium being played, but not in it's entirety :omg:
Schmedley Wilcox
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There's already two releases with Octavarium in its entirety; Score and Romavarium. There's a bunch of songs I'd rather have on a live release than that song...
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I fully agree with you, noxon. I voted for a D/T tour release btw because I'm excited about the album and the tour. (I wouldn't mind for them to release the Budokan concert, but for now, I'll focus on what will happen soon(-ish)
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I'd say a release of the new D/T tour.
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Return to Budokan
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I voted no more live releases.
Upon further reflection, I'd like a live release of newer material. Especially Distance Over Time material. I think we've got plenty of older material released live.
I'm not interested in SFAM live in 2019 on Blu-Ray. I enjoy Live Scenes From New York and I'm not sure that can be topped in 2019.
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Live videos made more sense when seeing performances was rare. Like the G3 shows - my first exposure was the video, and it's an experience I couldn't possible get to (at that point in time). Now I can just go to youtube and see just about any performance from any band ever... It's taken away from the uniqueness of concert dvds.
I get what you are saying, but there isn't a youtube video out there that matches a well done concert blu ray (well of course besides the videos on youtube from these releases, but still then it's not going to be the best audio/video quality on youtube compared to the blu-ray). The uniqueness may be gone, but the quality is still there. Also, now a days, many bands when releasing a live video usually have something about it that you aren't going to find on youtube, maybe guests singers or songs not performed and bands are getting smarter too by not allowing people to use phones if they are recording a concert so that you don't get the leaks on youtube.
as for the question, I don't see an option for TA so I'll go with DOT tour since that would be new live material.
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Live videos made more sense when seeing performances was rare. Like the G3 shows - my first exposure was the video, and it's an experience I couldn't possible get to (at that point in time). Now I can just go to youtube and see just about any performance from any band ever... It's taken away from the uniqueness of concert dvds.
Not The Astonishing :'(
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I'm not necessarily talking about officially recorded footage. There's obviously live footage on youtube for The Astonishing.
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Nothing on YouTube could ever even come close to enjoying a concert bluray on a high def TV with a kick-ass stereo sound system! :metal :corn
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I'm not necessarily talking about officially recorded footage. There's obviously live footage on youtube for The Astonishing.
True. But with DT's heavily enforced no camera policy during that tour, there is significantly less footage of shows from that tour, and in fact, I think there's only 1 show in video form that's relatively close to being complete.
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I'm not necessarily talking about officially recorded footage. There's obviously live footage on youtube for The Astonishing.
True. But with DT's heavily enforced no camera policy during that tour, there is significantly less footage of shows from that tour, and in fact, I think there's only 1 show in video form that's relatively close to being complete.
That's exactly that I find the most astonishing part of this situation, the band just enforced a goddamn policy of no recording in the shows.
Many of us complied for 2 reasons: The band asked for it and we, in a way, agreed, it was better for the experience and I actually enjoyed it a lot, and secondly because we expected we'd have a live release anyway, which we don't have, now we have no way of enjoying it.
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I can see why they had a no camera policy for that tour, it really was a unique experience seeing it live without any distractions from audience members holding their stupid phones in the air during the show. Good on DT for not allowing that!
However,, I wonder if they have kick-marks for not professionally documenting this most exceptional show and having it immortalized?!?!
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I can see why they had a no camera policy for that tour, it really was a unique experience seeing it live without any distractions from audience members holding their stupid phones during the show. Good on DT for not allowing that!
However,, I wonder if they have kick-marks for not professionally documenting this most exceptional show and having it immortalized?!?!
Yes, I think everyone could understand why, regardless if they agreed or not.
And I can't do anything but giving a shoutout to your last sentence, which is, again, a big let down.
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It's not likely, but maybe they will remedy that someday with a one-off performance of TA with a big production in NYC, or espcially LA,, where the orchestra and choir is from. I know, wishful thinking! :chill
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From the perspective of a musical lover, I guess I'm just accustomed to the fact that shows like that are made to be experienced live. Filmed performances is a rarity when it comes to musical theatre. And when they do get filmed, it's often in different settings than the actual play. Like, there's a really good version of Phantom of the Opera out on blu-ray, but it's not the stage performance - it's a super extravagant royal albert hall performance. Same with Les Miserables - there's actually two different performances, one in the royal albert hall and one from the O2, neither of which are the stage performance, but rather a concert setup (typically the songs are just performed standing at a microphone instead of acted out).
Or they're specially made for TV productions - or even worse, proper film productions that bear little to no resemblance to the actual stage production.
Point is; the norm is actually to not film those types of productions.
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It's not likely, but maybe they will remedy that someday with a one-off performance of TA with a big production in NYC, or espcially LA,, where the orchestra and choir is from. I know, wishful thinking! :chill
From the perspective of a musical lover, I guess I'm just accustomed to the fact that shows like that are made to be experienced live. Filmed performances is a rarity when it comes to musical theatre. And when they do get filmed, it's often in different settings than the actual play. Like, there's a really good version of Phantom of the Opera out on blu-ray, but it's not the stage performance - it's a super extravagant royal albert hall performance. Same with Les Miserables - there's actually two different performances, one in the royal albert hall and one from the O2, neither of which are the stage performance, but rather a concert setup (typically the songs are just performed standing at a microphone instead of acted out).
Or they're specially made for TV productions - or even worse, proper film productions that bear little to no resemblance to the actual stage production.
Point is; the norm is actually to not film those types of productions.
The thing is, I wouldn't want a big special production of a live recording of The Astonishing show. That seems bloated. I'd rather just have a single concert recorded as presented.
I still cannot believe that the band did not record these shows, or even film at least one. Seems with all of the work put in on this project, to not have it documented live simply does not make sense to me. Not so much for a release, but simply for the band.
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I'm not necessarily talking about officially recorded footage. There's obviously live footage on youtube for The Astonishing.
There's not a single good recording of anything from that tour.
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I voted Kevin Moore, because I'd rather have their next live release to be a non-anniversary tour.
Hopefully they'll do a 2nd leg where the set is open to anything. Like how A Dramtic Tour was.
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It's not likely, but maybe they will remedy that someday with a one-off performance of TA with a big production in NYC, or espcially LA,, where the orchestra and choir is from. I know, wishful thinking! :chill
Yea, when I read the thread title I kind of thought this would be an option although I don't think it's realistic at this point. It would be a big effort to do and the fan base is really split on whether they would even want to buy such a product. I'd love it and I think the album/tour kind of deserves it, but at this point, it's just a huge effort and risk.
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Except musicals are performed multiple times through the years, and indeed, most of them are recorded live.
Good luck finding a full performance of TA after DT retires by a local band at home.
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Except musicals are performed multiple times through the years, and indeed, most of them are recorded live.
Good luck finding a full performance of TA after DT retires by a local band at home.
The Book of Mormon has never been recorded live. I really hope it gets a filming eventually as it's one of my favorite musicals. I've seen it three times.
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I think you'll find that most broadway / west end musicals are not recorded live.
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Voted for Budokan, because
-it's been filmed already, so it'd basically be just a matter of putting it out
-we already have Live Scenes
-I personally prefer Images to Scenes by a significant margin
-I saw the IW&B tour and a live DVD would be a nice memoir of it
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Nothing on YouTube could ever even come close to enjoying a concert bluray on a high def TV with a kick-ass stereo sound system! :metal :corn
I won't disagree, but at big festivals like Wacken for example they live stream entire shows that are professionally filmed so it's not that you get a product that much distant from an official release.
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Nothing on YouTube could ever even come close to enjoying a concert bluray on a high def TV with a kick-ass stereo sound system! :metal :corn
I won't disagree, but at big festivals like Wacken for example they live stream entire shows that are professionally filmed so it's not that you get a product that much distant from an official release.
True, but even then you aren't getting the quality of audio/video of a blu ray, but the live streams are usually really good to watch if they havent been taken down on youtube.
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TBH a live performance seen in person is so much better than any video release. Just being there is another type of sensory experience that can't be captured on camera. However, there are those who can't make it to a show and the live release helps them gain some of the experience. The nostalgia factor needs to be considered also. If you were at the Roseland Ballroom show for LSFNY, you have vivd memories of that performance and the DVD helps to take you back.
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The problem for guys like me though is that I'm not willing to spend around $100.00 for a good spot in GA for a DT show nowadays, but I am willing to spend around $20-25 for a well-produced well-mixed Live DVD/CD bundle (and if they decided to throw a 15-30 minute behind the scenes about the respective tour, that's a bigger bonus as well). I couldn't be there for those tours like the Astonishing tour, Images, Words and Beyond, and the upcoming DOT tour for various reasons (have family obligations, couldn't afford the tickets, think the tickets are too expensive for what I'm willing to spend).
It would nice if they find a tour that's meaningful enough that it deserves to have a DVD release and I think DT hit the mark on those quite well as the live releases they have done have that sorta "big-time" show feel to it.
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Yea I think there's lots of people who would love a video of a tour when they can't make it for whatever reason. What is interesting though, for me in NJ I see tickets for the show at $25. I think that's the cheapest I've seen DT tickets for a theater. Might be different for other areas (I know NYC prices are not near that low for example) but at least I was able to find a very affordable ticket to see DT.