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Okay, so here we go. Not the best of circumstances – I’d love to see Kattleox’s game suspended, in case cooler heads prevail and he comes back, but I’m not a mod – but here we go.
First, this is about FUN. I want us all- including ME - to have some fun, bust some balls, and listen to some great music.
This is a themed roulette using a NASCAR championship structure. Eight rounds - each round with a theme. After five, the top eight go head to head in the "Chase" (rounds 6, 7, and 8). You win one of the first five rounds, you're automatically in. The remaining spots will be filled by points. Sixth round (with 8 contestants): four go on, four go home. Seventh round (with 4 contestants): two go on, two go home. Eight round (with 2 contestants): one wins, one cries.
Each song will be scored like this: seven points on whether I like it and three points on how well it fits the theme (with one point of that for creativity). SO if the theme is "Love Songs", and you send Tesla's "Love Song", you'd get 2 out of 3 points. Fits the theme perfectly, but with ZERO creativity. If you submit Gov't Mule's "Don't Step On The Grass, Sam, you'd get a 3 out of 3. Fits the theme really well in a very creative way. If you submit Slayer's "Raining Blood", I'ma probably going to give you a 0 out of 3. I WILL NOT LIKELY GIVE ANY ADVICE ABOUT THE THEMES. Part of the score is creativity, so I want to see how you interpret.
No banned list, the only rule being “do I know it/do I own it”. You can ask me up to twice per round, and if I reject the song, you can either resubmit a different one, or submit that one and have two points taken off right off the top of the seven (put a little gamesmanship in there come playoff time!). To avoid someone submitting “Stargazer”, recognize that you would only get a FIVE tops at that point (two points off the seven, ZERO for creativity, and I’d probably bone you on the thematic part, unless the theme was “Dio songs about men who live in towers and look at the sky” and it was just so obvious I couldn't sleep at night otherwise).
Here’s the kicker: in homage to KTLX, it’s a “Singles A’s and B’s” roulette. You’re submitting TWO songs, an A-side and a B-side. The theme might (or might not!) decide what songs are what, but you’ll know that before you submit.
Because of the timing, I only have a couple themes lined up, but I will post the rest as soon as I possibly can.
First Round Theme: My favorite band is KISS
Side A: Give me a song you love.
Side B: Give me the perfect b-side.
Second Round Theme: "Is it live or is it Memorex?"
Third Round Theme: "Stadler, high school Class of 1985".
Fourth Round Theme: The Red Rocker or Diamond Dave?
Fifth Round Theme: YOU! Give me two songs about YOU. One that maybe tells us something we don’t know, and maybe one that tells us how you think others might see you. (Spoiler alert: I have heard the songs “I Am A Viking” by Yngwie, and “My Love Is Like A Tire Iron” by Ted Nugent.)
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In!!
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So we are submitting two songs by the same band, correct?
And their style should fit the KISS theme for this round?
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So we are submitting two songs by the same band, correct?
And their style should fit the KISS theme for this round?
Not answering the second question, that's your creativity part, but for clarity, no, doesn't have to be the same band (unless I think of a theme that demands that, but you'll know).
So, to answer your questions directly:
No.
Maybe, maybe not. Use your Magic 8 Ball.
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Pro-tip for the first theme: send your favourite bands.
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In like flint.
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i'm here to peanut gallery and nothing more :corn
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In like sin.
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I'm in.
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In like sin.
Coo coo baby.
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i'm here to peanut gallery and nothing more :corn
I'm counting you IN! :)
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Oh shit: it just dawned on me. I probably have to clean out my inbox! :)
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Hey Parama, let's both play and see who's going to do worse, how about that?
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i'm here to peanut gallery and nothing more :corn
I'm counting you IN! :)
If you count me in I'm sending you black metal, your choice :P
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Well, might as well be part of four roulettes at once. My excel spreadsheet might break, but let's give 'er.
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Oh, why the hell not. Maybe this time it will teach me some pinctuality. I’ll try to send on time, promised!
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i'm here to peanut gallery and nothing more :corn
I'm counting you IN! :)
If you count me in I'm sending you black metal, your choice :P
Hey, I'm game; there are creativity points that don't factor into genre, and this is your chance to show what you got. I'm a melody guy, and I like things that are epic. I'm sure there is SOMETHING in your collection that works for that. It's all in fun anyway. Your call, I just want you to feel welcome!
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I'm in.
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Mmnnn maybe I could give this a shot :corn
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If there's still space and you want to have me again I'm in! :metal
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I'm definitely in.
Any deadline for the first round?
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Okay, I'll play.
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I think I might join this one though I'd be competing with Parama and EV for last place.
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First Round Theme: My favorite band is KISS
Pro-tip for the first theme: send your favourite bands.
Huh...I was going to send KISS style bands.
I'm never good at breaking the code. My favorite bands are banned.
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You're banned.
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Very cryptic theme indeed. I hate KISS so I'm stuck already. :lol
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Also, how do you want us to submit songs? Spotify? Youtube? Files? Limewire? Sharebear? Soundcloud? Snapchat? WUPHF?
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Wax cylinder.
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Ooh, going old school then.
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Live performance directly from stadler's house
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I'd love to participate if you've still got a spot. :)
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Also, how do you want us to submit songs? Spotify? Youtube? Files? Limewire? Sharebear? Soundcloud? Snapchat? WUPHF?
Yeah, it would be nice to know this
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As tempted as I am by Bolsters' and Parama's excellent suggestions, the best bet is YouTube. By far. Second is Apple Music (shut up; I'm one vote out of six). If your song is not addressed by either of those, PM me and we'll work it out.
Be smart about the banned list; I avoided one to HELP you guys, not hurt you. You'd be hard pressed to find a song that Gene Simmons or Ritchie Blackmore played on that I don't have (unless you go back to Glenda Collins in the '60s' but then your score is going to suck) but take Tony Banks. Love the guy, have every song Genesis ever put out (except one; a flexi-disk live version of Firth of Fifth). I have all his classical stuff. I have two of his solo albums; the other solo albums are fair game.
I've already said, I LOVE Michael Schenker, but I only have the Barden/Bonnet years, and the new one. That leaves a lot of material there to dig into. UFO; I have all the Schenker albums, and (I think) all the Chapman albums. That still leaves a lot of material there.
Also, you don't have to write novels, but I welcome any text or info you want to give me to help me understand why your song fits the theme perfectly. Remember, creativity is a part of the score, and remember, I keep saying it's about having FUN.
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So here's the starting field:
TAC (Pole position!)
Evermind
King
Parama
Indiscipline
Romdrums
Jingle
Elite
V-Clortho
Sacul
Home
Puppies on Acid
Wolfking
Nekov
Scorpion
Firewings
Bolsters, you in? (You're the last one; gonna freeze it at that point because otherwise I'll be listening until Christmas, and the fifth round cut will be the largest single elimination in DTF roulette history).
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You can start sending; I'm around all weekend (except out of pocket tomorrow morning) so I can do some listening over the holiday.
Oh, and while there's no strict time limit - not a rules guy, as you can tell - you're probably really pushing your luck over 20 minutes. The Martin Truex, Jr's among you (read: Classy, respectful, championship drivers) will probably keep it below 15 minutes, while the Joey Logano's among you (read: dirty, piece of crap, whiny minor league drivers) will go over 20 consistently. :)
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Sent
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As tempted as I am by Bolsters' and Parama's excellent suggestions, the best bet is YouTube.
Crap. I wanted to send like this:
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Be smart about the banned list; I avoided one to HELP you guys, not hurt you.
I'm not sure that's how it works for me, I like having a somewhat clearcut banned list, but hey, your roulette, your rules. :tup I'm ready to disastrously fail here in any case.
I'll find something for you tomorrow.
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for serious though i'm not actually planning to play in this one :lol
i'm going on vacation not too far off now for about 2 weeks and don't really want to have to like, put in the effort to send stuff in roulettes during that time tbh :P for puppies and indiscipline they'll either be done or i'll have all my submissions in by the time i leave but this one i'd probably be leaving right in the middle of
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Who will I compete with, then?
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Hey Stads, are we allowed to use the same artist for A and B sides, or different artist per song?
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Who will I compete with, then?
Me :tup
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Sent my pidgeon
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Firewings
This makes me said and happy at the same time.
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Who will I compete with, then?
Me :tup
And me :metal
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Sent'd. Hopefully both are accepted.
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Will send 2 songs tonight (14 hours). No fucking clue what to do with the theme though.
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Bolsters, you in? (You're the last one; gonna freeze it at that point because otherwise I'll be listening until Christmas, and the fifth round cut will be the largest single elimination in DTF roulette history).
Looks like you've got more than enough people already. :tup
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Sent my 45!
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Hey Stads, are we allowed to use the same artist for A and B sides, or different artist per song?
You can use the same artist for the single (I will also let different submissions have the same artist, provided it's not the same song/version of the song). Artists from one round are banned for later rounds.
So, sorry for being dense, but I want to be inclusive and fair: Parama, yes or no, in or out? Bolsters, yes or no, in or out?
Oh, and by the way, I've got about five submissions and most have done real well with the theme part of things, but one guy nailed the SHIT out of it. Completely ran with it, and delivered the goods. It was also an unexpected angle, but it's exactly what I was sort of hoping for when I thought of this. To be clear, it's not a winner take all in points; you all could get all three "theme" points, you all could get bumpkis (though of the submissions I have so far, I don't think that's happening).
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i'm out because i was never in in the first place :P
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i'm out because i was never in in the first place :P
Haha. Okay. :)
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Oh, and by the way, I've got about five submissions and most have done real well with the theme part of things, but one guy nailed the SHIT out of it. Completely ran with it, and delivered the goods. It was also an unexpected angle, but it's exactly what I was sort of hoping for when I thought of this.
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Oh boy...can't wait to hear that!
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Now I'm even more lost as fuck with the theme haha!
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Oh, and by the way, I've got about five submissions and most have done real well with the theme part of things, but one guy nailed the SHIT out of it. Completely ran with it, and delivered the goods. It was also an unexpected angle, but it's exactly what I was sort of hoping for when I thought of this.
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Chad praised Trump? :lol
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So, sorry for being dense, but I want to be inclusive and fair: Parama, yes or no, in or out? Bolsters, yes or no, in or out?
Out.
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Sent.
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Chad praised Trump? :lol
That would certainly fall into the unexpected realm.
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Stads, do you want our B-side to work as a B-side to whatever we send as the A-side? Or just something that works as a B-side in general?
Either way, I will be sending tomorrow. I'm not at my computer tonight.
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I'm getting bent over at the moment at work and haven't had a chance to touch myself let alone think about sending something. Sorry Stads will have something in tonight.
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I'm getting bent over at the moment at work and haven't had a chance to touch myself
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Sent! And probably something no one would expect me to send. Maybe :corn
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This is awfully quiet. I guess you're all enjoying turkey and pumpkin pie..
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Turkey, yes. Pumpkin Pie, no.
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Turkey no. Pumpkin pie, yes.
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I'm getting bent over at the moment at work and haven't had a chance to touch myself
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Oh my, yes please!!
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:lol
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Has everyone sent?
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I already did so :corn
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I just did so :hat
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Hey, sorry for the radio silence; this holiday is a big one in my house for various reasons, and this year it was that times ten. Daughter married, other daughter home from school, wife not feeling well, son going on extended assignment in the military... so, no excuses, but I think I have everyone except Parama*, and I'll try to listen as quickly as I can and not let the results drag too too long.
* I know he's out, but I think it's funny that it took me like three times to recognize that, and so I'm making fun of me, not him.
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That's fine Stads, we all know real life comes before roulettes :smiley:
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Stads, do you want our B-side to work as a B-side to whatever we send as the A-side? Or just something that works as a B-side in general?
Sorry; missed this. That's kind of up to you. From what I can tell, I have someone that submitted a song that is just a quintessential b-side but has nothing to do with the a-side, and another person sent a b-side that is indelibly tied to the a-side and both work fine.
I'm looking for you to sell me that your choice is right.
Oh, and I think I'm still missing one submission, though I sent a PM to make sure that they are still in (no, it's not Parama).
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FYI, first run through; pretty good stuff. Not one song I really DON'T like, though on the other hand, nothing that grabbed and didn't let go like Marty Friedman or "Deep Peace" in the last one. But I plan on at least another three or four times through, so we'll see.
One of you nailed the theme creativity up down and sideways. At least one of you... did you know there was a theme here?
I'd be glad to do a hangman, though I've never done one, so you'll have to bear with me (and any tips by PM would be deeply appreciated).
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FYI, first run through; pretty good stuff. Not one song I really DON'T like, though on the other hand, nothing that grabbed and didn't let go like Marty Friedman or "Deep Peace" in the last one. But I plan on at least another three or four times through, so we'll see.
One of you nailed the theme creativity up down and sideways. At least one of you... did you know there was a theme here?
I'd be glad to do a hangman, though I've never done one, so you'll have to bear with me (and any tips by PM would be deeply appreciated).
Will you reveal at some stage what you were thinking in regards to the theme?
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FYI, first run through; pretty good stuff. Not one song I really DON'T like, though on the other hand, nothing that grabbed and didn't let go like Marty Friedman or "Deep Peace" in the last one. But I plan on at least another three or four times through, so we'll see.
One of you nailed the theme creativity up down and sideways. At least one of you... did you know there was a theme here?
I'd be glad to do a hangman, though I've never done one, so you'll have to bear with me (and any tips by PM would be deeply appreciated).
Will you reveal at some stage what you were thinking in regards to the theme?
Yup. And I'll also share the next two themes (in the next day or so) so you can get a jump on them.
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Damn, missed the signup for this. :facepalm:
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Damn, missed the signup for this. :facepalm:
Petition the group; I'm still listening. If you want in, I don't care if no one else does. I'll hold off on my "insight" into the theme until the gang weighs in. There's 15 people in the roulette; let's say if more than 5 say "NO!" you'll have to wait till next one; if less, you best be ready to submit ASAP.
Gang?
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I'm an asshole so I vote no
Just kidding, why not? If you think you can handle one more song per round then I'm good with it.
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Sure!
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Yessir
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Why not
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Only if he signs up for his own roulette.
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Can I just say? I was going over some invoices for work, and one song from the roulette came on and kicked my ass up, down and sideways. Completely lost track of what I was doing. Far and away the song of the round (and this is a good round; there's really not one clunker in the group).
It's not Jingle's song, but I'm pretty sure he's going to give me an "I told you so, you stubborn bastard. Put down the Blackmore's Night CDs and live a little."
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definitely my song
kidding
or maybe not? :dangerwillrobinson:
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Only if he signs up for his own roulette.
This.
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The more the merrier. Makes it less likely I'll have the lowest scoring submission.
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Far and away the song of the round
I mean...
It's not Jingle's song,
...I'm pretty sure that did not need clarification. :lol
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Far and away the song of the round
I mean...
It's not Jingle's song,
...I'm pretty sure that did not need clarification. :lol
Tell that to Chad. ;)
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Can we make a call on Lowdz? Not everyone voted, but there weren't any "nay" votes, so Lowdz! You're in! Just don't hang a brother out to dry and sign up for your own roulette, whatever that means.
Send your two songs asap. I'd advise you to read my posts before you submit.
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1 vote for Lowdz to be in.
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Yeah, Lowdz in. The more the merrier.
He'd better hurry up though, I'm going through hangmanen withdrawal over here!
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Ditto
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Cheers gents. Hope I made it. I’m hoping there’s less chance of rejections than the last few roulettes I’ve played 😀
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Cheers gents. Hope I made it. I’m hoping there’s less chance of rejections than the last few roulettes I’ve played 😀
You've got the right avatar.
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Cheers gents. Hope I made it. I’m hoping there’s less chance of rejections than the last few roulettes I’ve played 😀
You've got the right avatar.
I’m hoping my fandom sets me on the right track 😀
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OOOOHHH YEEEAAHHH!
Well all right.....
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Stadler, you promised the next couple of themes?
Can you share what people sent in the first round? Maybe identify each as which were A and which were B?
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Stadler, you promised the next couple of themes?
Can you share what people sent in the first round? Maybe identify each as which were A and which were B?
I didn't define an A or B, and honestly, don't know which would be which. Stads can guess.
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At least one of you... did you know there was a theme here?
I didn't define an A or B, and honestly, don't know which would be which. Stads can guess.
Any chance these are related?
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At least one of you... did you know there was a theme here?
I didn't define an A or B, and honestly, don't know which would be which. Stads can guess.
Any chance these are related?
I tried but drew blanks.
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Okay, we're all in. I need a couple more listens (and have to listen to Lowdz's stuff) but things are shaping up.
So... what was I looking for? I didn't honestly have anything specific in mind. I knew "favorites" and I knew "b-side", but I realized I couldn't really tell any creativity with "what is your favorite?" so I threw in the Kiss reference, just to see how that would be taken. I got a couple good responses, and some of you are going to nail the three points (2+1) hands down. Some of you will get 2, and at least one of you is going to get... less than that, because honestly, I missed it.
The two best:
One guy (this is as close as you're getting to hangman, at least this round, so you can guess):
Michael Schenker's Temple of Rock: Wicked
Crowded House: Lester (Added bonus of this being what I consider the quintessential b-side type song)
"Wicked" and "Lester". Then he said "If I need to say more, then KISS ain't your favourite band :D" (Wicked Lester was the pre-Kiss band for Gene and Paul; not their first, though, since they were in a band called Rainbow before that).
Somebody else scored full points in a totally different way, one in which I never expected:
Night Flight Orchestra: Paralyzed (Kiss has a song "Paralyzed" from Revenge, but this isn't it)
Night Flight Orchestra: Living for the Nighttime
I swear; these two songs captured the essence of Kiss almost perfectly; it was "Unmasked" Kiss, but it was still Kiss (and I love Unmasked, frankly). I could hear Gene's baselines (even though he likely didn't play them then), the drums were vintage Anton Fig (even though Peter got the credit)... even the lyrics were vintage "Naked City"-esque Kiss. I never in a million years would have guessed that they were recorded in the late 2000's by Swedish metal players.
Not to say others didn't nail it too, but I thought these were good enough to use as examples.
Also, the next two themes (for you to start thinking about, though we're still doing one round at a time; don't send yet):
"Is it live or is it Memorex?"
"Stadler, high school Class of 1985".
Remember, CREATIVITY! I have nothing specific in mind with the second one, but I do have something in mind for the first (that doesn't mean it's the only right answer though!) Still two songs, still an A-side and a B-side, still looking for some killer tunes...
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I'll post who sent what in the morning...
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I honestly couldn't do much with the Kiss reference, because I know Rock'n'Roll All Nite and that's it... so I just focused on sending a great single and a great B-side... so I'm probably the guy with less than two for creativity.
I just hope my songs themselves do well enough, then I might still get decent points. Oh well.
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I sent one of my favourite bands, and picked the songs with Eric Singer on drums. I'll probably get a 2.
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I honestly couldn't do much with the Kiss reference, because I know Rock'n'Roll All Nite and that's it..
Think yourself lucky you only know the one song mate.
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I honestly couldn't do much with the Kiss reference, because I know Rock'n'Roll All Nite and that's it..
Think yourself lucky you only know the one song mate.
:clap:
Kudos to whoever sent The Night Flight Orchestra. That was on my to-do list for this roulette.
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One guy (this is as close as you're getting to hangman, at least this round, so you can guess):
Michael Schenker's Temple of Rock: Wicked
Crowded House: Lester (Added bonus of this being what I consider the quintessential b-side type song)
Lowdz
Somebody else scored full points in a totally different way, one in which I never expected:
Night Flight Orchestra: Paralyzed (Kiss has a song "Paralyzed" from Revenge, but this isn't it)
Night Flight Orchestra: Living for the Nighttime
Wolfking
I sent one of my favourite bands, and picked the songs with Eric Singer on drums. I'll probably get a 2.
Avantasia
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What the hell is memorex? A google search returned way too many results
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What the hell is memorex? A google search returned way too many results
Nekov, Memorex made blank cassette tapes back in the day. "Is it live or is it Memorex?" was their advertising tag line. They wanted you to think that hearing a recording on one of their tapes sounded as good as a live performance.
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Ahhh, good to know. Thanks TAC
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What the hell is memorex? A google search returned way too many results
Nekov, Memorex made blank cassette tapes back in the day. "Is it live or is it Memorex?" was their advertising tag line. They wanted you to think that hearing a recording on one of their tapes sounded as good as a live performance.
Oh the memories.
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Yup!
I have no idea what to do with that theme..
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I really shouldn't share this for all the youngins, but I'm just too nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZyFcJcZiaU
Though, I was always partial to Maxell XLII's, and the dude sitting in the recliner.
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I honestly couldn't do much with the Kiss reference, because I know Rock'n'Roll All Nite and that's it..
Think yourself lucky you only know the one song mate.
:clap:
Kudos to whoever sent The Night Flight Orchestra. That was on my to-do list for this roulette.
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Yup!
I have no idea what to do with that theme..
Yes you do. I told you guys I had something in mind, but for the life of me I couldn't think of a good enough hint that wouldn't make it obvious and thus suck the creativity out of the room. But you did.
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I really shouldn't share this for all the youngins, but I'm just too nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZyFcJcZiaU
Though, I was always partial to Maxell XLII's, and the dude sitting in the recliner.
I'm in my home office right now, and if I crane my head a little I can see a box of about 40 of just those tapes. I used to listen to albums (vinyl) in the house, but tape EVERYTHING so I could listen in the car. Honestly? Even in this age of digital this and iPod that, I would still do that if I had a player in the car (and a recorder in the house). Once in a blue moon a tape would jam or unspool, but those were good times.
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I really shouldn't share this for all the youngins, but I'm just too nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZyFcJcZiaU
Though, I was always partial to Maxell XLII's, and the dude sitting in the recliner.
I'm in my home office right now, and if I crane my head a little I can see a box of about 40 of just those tapes. I used to listen to albums (vinyl) in the house, but tape EVERYTHING so I could listen in the car. Honestly? Even in this age of digital this and iPod that, I would still do that if I had a player in the car (and a recorder in the house). Once in a blue moon a tape would jam or unspool, but those were good times.
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The stories I have about my briefcases and bookcases full of XLII tapes of album-rips and mixed songs.... Still to this day, I get a huge thrill of hearing songs back-to-back on Classic Rock radio that were back-to-back on one of my mixed tapes (eg, every time I hear White Rabbit, I fully expect to hear Imagine next).
I tossed all those cassettes 10+ years ago. No longer had a cassette deck, and I had every song on them digitally. I did create some playlists that matched the mixed tapes though. :metal
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Kudos to whoever sent The Night Flight Orchestra. That was on my to-do list for this roulette.
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I honestly couldn't do much with the Kiss reference, because I know Rock'n'Roll All Nite and that's it..
Same, my song doesn't really have anything to do with the band Kiss either :lol
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But - and I only say this for future rounds - the Kiss thing wasn't absolute in that sense, if you got an angle on things, I'm open to it. One person - they can share if they want - took "Kiss" to be the literal act of a "kiss" and maybe it's because I'm a sap who cries at commercials, but I thought it was clever and touching and they'll get, if not all 3, then more than 2 of the available points.
If you're thinking "wow these themes suck", I would offer that you think "how can I make this NOT suck?" and submit that.
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I actually thought about sending some love songs about kisses and all, good to know that would've worked too. :lol
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I really shouldn't share this for all the youngins, but I'm just too nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZyFcJcZiaU
Though, I was always partial to Maxell XLII's, and the dude sitting in the recliner.
I'm in my home office right now, and if I crane my head a little I can see a box of about 40 of just those tapes. I used to listen to albums (vinyl) in the house, but tape EVERYTHING so I could listen in the car. Honestly? Even in this age of digital this and iPod that, I would still do that if I had a player in the car (and a recorder in the house). Once in a blue moon a tape would jam or unspool, but those were good times.
(https://i.imgur.com/qS7iAux.jpg)
The stories I have about my briefcases and bookcases full of XLII tapes of album-rips and mixed songs.... Still to this day, I get a huge thrill of hearing songs back-to-back on Classic Rock radio that were back-to-back on one of my mixed tapes (eg, every time I hear White Rabbit, I fully expect to hear Imagine next).
I tossed all those cassettes 10+ years ago. No longer had a cassette deck, and I had every song on them digitally. I did create some playlists that matched the mixed tapes though. :metal
My problem is that I had a ton of songs from 7" singles and whatnot that for a while (some to this day) weren't released on CD. So a couple years ago, I had a Sony video camera that had a converter in it, and I was able to jury-rig a set up where the cassette (or vinyl, or VHS tape) would play "through" the camera and into my Mac. Songs like "Looking At You, Looking At Me" and "You Said It All", by Ozzy, some b-sides by Fastway, a couple live b-sides by Rainbow, the vinyl version of Stevie Ray Vaughan's "Live Alive" (which has one song that was never released on CD; I think it's because there is a rap in the middle by SRV that sounds incredibly racist even though I think his intent was exactly the opposite)... I've found most of them later on CD for better quality, but for a while there I had probably three or four CDs worth of material that I couldn't get any other way. I'm enough of a completist that I couldn't toss them.
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I hope Stads got that the first song was basically a lot of ass-kissing. The second one was pretty obvious though.
Regarding the new themes, I have no clue what I will do with that Memorex one.
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My problem is that I had a ton of songs from 7" singles and whatnot that for a while (some to this day) weren't released on CD. So a couple years ago, I had a Sony video camera that had a converter in it, and I was able to jury-rig a set up where the cassette (or vinyl, or VHS tape) would play "through" the camera and into my Mac. Songs like "Looking At You, Looking At Me" and "You Said It All", by Ozzy, some b-sides by Fastway, a couple live b-sides by Rainbow, the vinyl version of Stevie Ray Vaughan's "Live Alive" (which has one song that was never released on CD; I think it's because there is a rap in the middle by SRV that sounds incredibly racist even though I think his intent was exactly the opposite)... I've found most of them later on CD for better quality, but for a while there I had probably three or four CDs worth of material that I couldn't get any other way. I'm enough of a completist that I couldn't toss them.
I hear ya bro. I had a similar kind of jury-rigged setup to get all of my Maxell XLIIs (where I couldn't download a digital replacement) as well as VHS and camcorder tapes and discs digitized. Took me quite a few months, but I eventually got everything I had in tape (audio and video) converted to .mp3 and .mp4 - some things that are not (now will ever by) available online anywhere, because I recorded them from a live broadcast TV or Radio show.
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If you want, you can guess who sent what....
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Foxy Shazam - Welcome To The Church of Rock and Roll
Florence + The Machine - Kiss With A Fist
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MSG Temple of Rock - Wicked
Crowded House - Lester
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Dada - Dizz Knee Land
Dada - Baby Really Loves Me
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Symphony X - Run With The Devil
Accept - Final Journey
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Horisont - Electrical
Dead Lord - Don't Give A Damn
Firewings/Kttlx
EdGuy - Love Tyger
Sonata Arctica - Cinderblox
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D.A.D. - Siamese Twin
D.A.D. - Down That Dusty 3rd World Road
Romdrums
Night Flight Orchestra - Paralyzed
Night Flight Orchestra - Living For The Nighttime
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AFI - The Great Disappointment
Incubus - Sick Sad Little World
Evermind
Avantasia - The Toy Master
Avantasia - Dying For An Angel
Wolkking
Avantasia - Restless Heart
Dream Evil - Creature Of The Night
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Star One -Victim Of The Modern Age
DTP - Little Pig
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Anathema - Untouchable Pt. 1
Anathema - Untouchable Pt. 2
Home
Death Cab For Cutie - Transatlanticism
Death Cab For Cutie - I Will Follow You Into
Elite
Ulver - Rolling Stone
Ulver - The Future Sound of Music
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Crown Of Thorns - Crown Of Thorns
Crown Of Thorns - Dying For You
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I'm going to listen again today, and start writeups tonight or tomorrow morning.
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well... Rom sent Night Flight Orchestra.
Edguy/Sonata Arctica - Firewings
Avantasia - Evermind
Avantasia / Dream Evil - Wolfking
Anathema - Nekov?
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Star One has to be Chad.
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Elite sent Ulver.
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Star One has to be Chad.
You'd think that, but there's no way in hell I'd send DTP in a roulette. Not a big enough fan to do that.
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LOVE T-T-T-T-T-T-TYGER :lol
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Elite sent Ulver.
Yes
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Anathema might be Sacul
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well... Rom sent Night Flight Orchestra.
Edguy/Sonata Arctica - Firewings
Avantasia - Evermind
Avantasia / Dream Evil - Wolfking
Anathema - Nekov?
Dude, did you hack my account?!? Correct, correct, correct. Nekov isn't right, but that is an impressive run.
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Star One has to be Chad.
I hinted at this before. I don't think I'm giving anything away when I say that this is the song of the round, and I know Chad would be proud, though he didn't send it. :)
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Star One has to be Chad.
I hinted at this before. I don't think I'm giving anything away when I say that this is the song of the round, and I know Chad would be proud, though he didn't send it. :)
That's not even the song of the ALBUM. :lol
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Star One has to be Chad.
I hinted at this before. I don't think I'm giving anything away when I say that this is the song of the round, and I know Chad would be proud, though he didn't send it. :)
That's not even the song of the ALBUM. :lol
No shit. :biggrin: At least it's not It All Ends Here!
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Yeah, Chad's more a Human See, Human Do guy.
DCFC might be Home?
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Star One has to be Chad.
I hinted at this before. I don't think I'm giving anything away when I say that this is the song of the round, and I know Chad would be proud, though he didn't send it. :)
That's not even the song of the ALBUM. :lol
I have no idea, but I do know that it's dangerous to hear one song and start to go buy albums, but I'm at the point now where I think I need to invest a little more time in the world of Ayreon (and related projects).
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Yeah, Chad's more a Human See, Human Do guy.
Take your stinkin paws off me, you damned dirty ape! :lol
Gonna have to go play that now - it is my #1 song on last.fm afterall. That run of HS/HD, 24 Hours, and Cassandra Complex is easily my favorite three song run of any album ever.
Stads... if you purchase the album, I'll give you a no-honk guarantee (at least up to the final track). But the first 8 more than make up for it. Go Spotify it at the very least.
Edit... ya know, it's too bad one of you idiots (said with much love :heart :)) used Star One for that round (really unsure how it fits the theme - 'twill be interesting to see how). A lot of tracks from VOTMA would've been a good call for this Live or Memorex round.
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Death Cab is home or 425 I dunno who's in the roulette there's no list in the OP
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LOVE T-T-T-T-T-T-TYGER :lol
Love that song. cheese overload 🤘🧀🧀🤘
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Death Cab is home or 425 I dunno who's in the roulette there's no list in the OP
Boom.
(And I'll try to add a list sometime today).
Probably starting writeups today as well.
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You need to clear out your inbox Stadler. Tried to send you info on my submission- still catching up with the rules. 😀
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Wow, that's a lot of Tobi in the first round.
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:corn
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Stads... any limits on time? I want to be respectful of not sending songs that are too long, but I have a combo in mind that would end up being 20ish minutes for the pair.
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Stads... any limits on time? I want to be respectful of not sending songs that are too long, but I have a combo in mind that would end up being 20ish minutes for the pair.
Should be fine. I think I said 15 minutes-ish per song, and while I would never say no to anything, just being honest, over 20 minutes a song you're probably pushing your luck.
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Yeah, Chad's more a Human See, Human Do guy.
Take your stinkin paws off me, you damned dirty ape! :lol
Gonna have to go play that now - it is my #1 song on last.fm afterall. That run of HS/HD, 24 Hours, and Cassandra Complex is easily my favorite three song run of any album ever.
Stads... if you purchase the album, I'll give you a no-honk guarantee (at least up to the final track). But the first 8 more than make up for it. Go Spotify it at the very least.
Edit... ya know, it's too bad one of you idiots (said with much love :heart :)) used Star One for that round (really unsure how it fits the theme - 'twill be interesting to see how). A lot of tracks from VOTMA would've been a good call for this Live or Memorex round.
I have to say Chad that I find it quite amusing that you have a pretty strong dislike for growls yet a song featuring Dan Swano is your most played. But yeah, that run of songs is unreal.
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Yeah, Chad's more a Human See, Human Do guy.
Take your stinkin paws off me, you damned dirty ape! :lol
Gonna have to go play that now - it is my #1 song on last.fm afterall. That run of HS/HD, 24 Hours, and Cassandra Complex is easily my favorite three song run of any album ever.
Stads... if you purchase the album, I'll give you a no-honk guarantee (at least up to the final track). But the first 8 more than make up for it. Go Spotify it at the very least.
Edit... ya know, it's too bad one of you idiots (said with much love :heart :)) used Star One for that round (really unsure how it fits the theme - 'twill be interesting to see how). A lot of tracks from VOTMA would've been a good call for this Live or Memorex round.
I have to say Chad that I find it quite amusing that you have a pretty strong dislike for growls yet a song featuring Dan Swano is your most played. But yeah, that run of songs is unreal.
He also likes Rage of Despair by Flaming Row I think, so it's not a dislike of growls per se, I guess he just doesn't like when it's all growls. Human See Human Do kicks ass, yeah.
LOVE T-T-T-T-T-T-TYGER :lol
Love that song. cheese overload 🤘🧀🧀🤘
They opened with it on the latest Monuments tour, hell of a song indeed, although the crowd didn't seem into it as much as they were for the older songs.
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I have to say Chad that I find it quite amusing that you have a pretty strong dislike for growls yet a song featuring Dan Swano is your most played. But yeah, that run of songs is unreal.
He also likes Rage of Despair by Flaming Row I think, so it's not a dislike of growls per se, I guess he just doesn't like when it's all growls. Human See Human Do kicks ass, yeah.
This 100%. Rage of Despair is #3 all-time on my last.fm! :lol
"Tasteful and appropriate" is what I often say when it comes to growls/harsh vox. Growls et al as a vocal style in and of itself doesn't appeal to me. And considering most of the time it comes in the form of 'thrash/death/doom etc' style of music... well.... pass.
Probably starting writeups today as well.
More importantly, when are you FINISHING writeups? :biggrin:
:corn
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Hi there Stads.
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We may get results in K-Lox's roulette first.
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We may get results in K-Lox's roulette first.
:clap:
To be fair though, Stads is RARELY on DTF on weekends. I admire that actually.
Serious.
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I know. Must be nice to have a life. :lol
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Will power.
I have none.
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I have to say Chad that I find it quite amusing that you have a pretty strong dislike for growls yet a song featuring Dan Swano is your most played. But yeah, that run of songs is unreal.
He also likes Rage of Despair by Flaming Row I think, so it's not a dislike of growls per se, I guess he just doesn't like when it's all growls. Human See Human Do kicks ass, yeah.
This 100%. Rage of Despair is #3 all-time on my last.fm! :lol
"Tasteful and appropriate" is what I often say when it comes to growls/harsh vox. Growls et al as a vocal style in and of itself doesn't appeal to me. And considering most of the time it comes in the form of 'thrash/death/doom etc' style of music... well.... pass.
Probably starting writeups today as well.
More importantly, when are you FINISHING writeups? :biggrin:
:corn
Yeah, I know all that in regards to the growls, was just a funny observation. Like I was typing what I was thinking. :lol
Plus let me fix something for myself.
life.
I have none.
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:lol
Today was just food shopping and football. Yesterday way eventful.
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Yeah, I'm sorry guys; this weekend was a washout re: roulette. Christmas decorations, had my grandson, and, well... there was a choice: "Hang out with my 18 month cute as hell grandson, drink wine and put up a tree or try to find something nice to say about one of my most overrated vocalists of all time", and, well, you guys can wait another day. :)
Writing now. I'm supposed to see Craig Ferguson tonight, but I'm trying to sell the tix; if I go we should see results tomorrow. If I don't go, we should see results... tomorrow. :)
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Yeah, I'm sorry guys; this weekend was a washout re: roulette. Christmas decorations, had my grandson, and, well... there was a choice: "Hang out with my 18 month cute as hell grandson, drink wine and put up a tree or try to find something nice to say about one of my most overrated vocalists of all time", and, well, you guys can wait another day. :)
I'm guessing this is about Alice Cooper or Klaus Meine, and I'm therefore screwed.
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I suspect it's about Russell Allen ...
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Yeah, I'm sorry guys; this weekend was a washout re: roulette. Christmas decorations, had my grandson, and, well... there was a choice: "Hang out with my 18 month cute as hell grandson, drink wine and put up a tree or try to find something nice to say about one of my most overrated vocalists of all time",
I feel like you used that excuse last year. ;D
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You should go see Ferguson, he is too funny. That will also give me more time to figure out what the hell I'll be sending, the next theme is killing me
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I suspect it's about Russell Allen ...
I hope not. Plus, he said the Star One track was song of the round. Unless that was misdirection. Could be Hevy Devy.
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Oh, forgot that. Sorry, man!
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So... one of you mentioned the "overrated vocalist" and the only hint is, it's not Klaus Meine (I love that guy's voice; probably the reason I like the Scorpions as much as I do).
I can release the results in pieces if you want. I have about half done so far, so maybe I can release a block or two of four each, but that will mean some will have to wait a little longer than others...
I'll say this: the results are pretty bunched up so far, and I can only expect that as more songs and more results fill in, that someone will pull away. I also know that I will probably be more particular on some of the theme applications in the future. If you sent "your favorite band" and there was even a hint that it was even a hair more than that, whether Kiss or b-side, you got a 2. If all I could determine is that, based on your word, that this was your favorite band of bands that I would accept, you got a 1.5. That's going to change moving forward. Some of the themes might be a little harder, but some will be easy (almost obvious) so I'll need to separate a little bit.
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Nah, just post them when you have all of them
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Nah, just post them when you have all of them
Nah... torture some of us.
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I still have no idea for the next round.
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Nah, just post them when you have all of them
what's this? voluntary waiting?
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I still have no idea for the next round.
I must have missed the post wher the theme was discussed.. what is the next Theme?
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The theme is:
"Is it live, or is it Memorex?"
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The theme is:
"Is it live, or is it Memorex?"
Cheers Tim, just gone back and found it. I had read it but forgot. So much forMemorex 😀😀😀
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The theme is:
"Is it live, or is it Memorex?"
Whatever that means is completely fucking foreign to me.
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I really shouldn't share this for all the youngins, but I'm just too nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZyFcJcZiaU
Though, I was always partial to Maxell XLII's, and the dude sitting in the recliner.
Pay attention people, I'm not gonna help ya'll out a 3rd time.
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I just don't get it, how the fuck could you not tell if it's a tape or live? I get the point but just seems like a strange sales pitch to me.
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I just don't get it, how the fuck could you not tell if it's a tape or live? I get the point but just seems like a strange sales pitch to me.
You're no longer an honorary fogey.
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I just don't get it, how the fuck could you not tell if it's a tape or live? I get the point but just seems like a strange sales pitch to me.
You're no longer an honorary fogey.
Can't hide my age forever I guess. But I love your club, please don't kick me out.
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I love your club, can I get back in?
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I love your club, can I get back in?
You're our exalted leader!
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I love your club, can I get back in?
:lol
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The theme is:
"Is it live, or is it Memorex?"
Whatever that means is completely fucking foreign to me.
I even watched the video Chad posted, and I still have no idea. Bring on my 0/3 for the theme I guess. :lol
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The theme is:
"Is it live, or is it Memorex?"
Whatever that means is completely fucking foreign to me.
I even watched the video Chad posted, and I still have no idea. Bring on my 0/3 for the theme I guess. :lol
Thank God I'm not the only one. Felt stupid but put my confusion out there nevertheless. :lol
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"They wanted you to think that hearing a recording on one of their tapes sounded as good as a live performance."
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Okay, so results. First the number by your name is your total score. The numbers by the songs themselves are the song score, the theme score, the creativity score and the song total.
I'm repeating myself (but anyone in P/R will be used to that) but the theme score, to get "2" I just needed something, anything, beyond just a subjective "My Favorite". If I got it wrong, well, so be it, the good thing is, with so many options there are a lot of ways to make up ground. The two highest scorers did it in almost exactly opposite ways.
One guy is going to be PISSED at me, but all I can say is, I go by what my gut says and my gut says, um, yeah.
NEKOV – 16.5
Foxy Shazam – Welcome to the Church of Rock and Roll 5 2 0.5 7
Florence + The Machine – Kiss With A Fist 6 2 1 9
I first heard Eric Nally on a TV show by Demi Lovato (I forget what it was, but Demi Lovato is gorgeous, so I watch her when she comes on TV) and I was like “Who IS this guy?” He looked like one of the Village People, or Joey Silvera, but he could sing. I remember checking out one Foxy Shazam song, and not being at all impressed. I loved this performance but the song didn’t grab me. I get and love three minute bursts of rock and roll energy, but there has to be something to grab onto, and I wish there was more here. Great performance but the song couldn’t support it. And I feel exactly the opposite about the b-side. I dug the hell out of the song, but the sort of reedy quality of Florence’s voice doesn’t really work for me. I have a thing for female vocalists – Ann Wilson, Johnette Napolitano, Anneke van Giersbergen, Shirley Manson – but they all have a sort of powerful quality to their voices that I just don’t from this. But I love the song; I think it’s clever and dark, and you never quite get where she’s coming from; is it rueful? Is it regretful? Is there desire in there? That’s a well-crafted tune right there, in search of a definitive performance.
I like the adherence to the theme. While I didn’t dig the song, that Foxy Shazam song COULD be a Kiss tune (I kept thinking “God Gave Rock and Roll To You, Part II), and I loved the cleverness of the b-side, with the iron fist/velvet glove reference, which is a big part of Kiss for me. Well done.
INDISCIPLINE – 17.0
Michael Schenker Temple of Rock – Wicked 5.5 2 1 8.5
Crowded House – Lester 5.5 2 1 8.5
No, this isn’t cheating. I’m a HUGE Michael Schenker fan, but I’ve made no bones that for me, “MSG” is the first four albums with Gary Barden and Graham Bonnet. I can’t really stand Robin McAuley (though he’s growing on me having seen him live) and Doogie is, well, I just feel he’s wasted opportunity. “Stranger In Us All” (I know it’s Rainbow) should have been great, but it was not. So I’ve never heard this before. But this was a really good tune; GREAT chorus, and while it’s not a legendary MSG solo, it’s certainly unique, and his playing is just so… warm and comforting while it punches you in the kidney. I liked this. I really liked the b-side; that’s the sort of quintessential b-side for me. V-chlortho kind of nailed it in his submission: “A sides are the hit. The catchy song that grabs the listener. The B side is a different side of the band that you won't necessarily see from the hits.” I don’t love, but I respect Crowded House, and this was a new look at that band. I kind of dug the odd nature of the song, too. Is he singing to his dog?
Okay, so theme-wise, he NAILED THE CRAP OUT OF IT. Took the “favorite”, the “b-side” and the “Kiss” and did something non-obvious and clever with it. I said I threw in the Kiss because I have no fucking idea who some of you consider your “favorite band” so I needed something I could objectively dig into. This got that perfectly. Others did as well, and perhaps Indiscipline’s score won’t separate him from the pack as much as it should, but be warned: in future rounds, something like this may cause everyone else to be at best a 0.5 on creativity.
KINGSHMEGLAND - 14.5
Dada - Dizz Knee Land 5 1.5 0 6.5
Dada - Baby Really Loves Me 5.5 2 0.5 8
Hardest write-up to do - well, maybe second hardest – because I know King’s tastes, and we’re pretty spot on on most things music (and beer). But this feels like a bit of a miss. I like the a-side, and I think the meaning is clever and catchy, and there’s some neat guitar playing in there. But while it’s clearly a favorite of yours (I’ve heard you mention this before, I believe) it doesn’t floor me. It kind of reminds me of other bands of the era – Toad The Wet Sprocket comes to mind, Jesus Jones is another – that sort of all sounded alike. But the b-side makes up for it. I thought that was an excellent song, first off, and a sort of perfect b-side. I really liked that, and when I was researching this, I read a quote where the bass player said “Dizz Knee Land” is their best KNOWN song, but not their BEST song, and that, coupled with the b-side and the fact that I generally trust your taste, does make me want to hear more.
Thematically, I gave the full two points, because I know they are a favorite of yours, but I felt like I had to keep back some of the creativity points. I didn’t get any Kiss – or even Kiss-evocative – feelings, and without that, I’m not sure how it necessarily fits. I’m searching for something to make the link and I can’t find it. It’s far too deep for a Kiss song, it’s far too political (well, social politics, maybe) for a Kiss song, and while the guitars are excellent, it’s almost too technically accomplished for a Kiss song. Maybe I should look at the irony, because in many ways, Kiss IS “Disneyland”, so there’s that, but that seems a stretch. I did give you a half a point for the b-side, since you did capture what I feel is the essence of a good b-side.
JINGLE.BOY – 15.0
Symphony X - Run With The Devil 4 2 0.5 6.5
Accept - Final Journey 5.5 2 1 8.5
Haha, sorry Chad. I don’t know what it is, but Russell Allen just rubs me the wrong way. I’ve never met the man, he did nothing to me, and certainly there’s evidence that in real life he’s a nice enough guy and an heroic man. But purely in terms of music, it’s fire and water. Liam and Noel. Trump and Cohen. I should have liked this song, as musically it’s pretty good – though the solo was a little gimmicky for me – but I had a hard time getting past the vocals (maybe because I was half expecting him to scream out “mutherfuckin’ psychosane!” or “I heard you took one in the FACE!”) and especially when I heard the other song in this round that I think you COULD have sent, it really made it hard to like this. Thankfully, though, you nailed it on the b-side. I have a sort of grudging, even slightly mocking respect for Udo (I’m sorry I just find him hilarious in the same way I find Glenn Danzig hilarious, but I find I actually like the Accept songs I’ve heard) but I never got into Accept beyond “Balls To The Wall” and a ballad off one of the early albums that I can’t remember. I know this isn’t Udo (it’s Mark Tornillo) but I thought it was him at first and that’s a good thing. This was just a good, hard rock song. Vaguely Priest-like at times, and I actually dug the outro solo with its classical quote (Grieg, I think).
Thematically, I liked what you did. I liked the reference to “Final Journey”, since even as a big fan I find it comical how Paul Stanley is approaching this (“we’re going to do one last lap – of up to three years!”) and I gave you a little more benefit of the doubt, since even though you wouldn’t have known this, the first time I ever saw Kiss – and got to meet the band before hand! – Accept was the opening act. You meant that, right? Right? :angel:
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Ok, better than I expected honestly. I think I might be able not to suck in this roulette :D
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I didn't get the theme until after I sent but going forward I've got the idea now.
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Goddamn.... I never knew Russell's voice could be disliked! Show us on the model where he touched you, Bill:
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/cf/8a/df/cf8adfb6ccb3492a85a675cee8d25b68--body-template-diy-creative-ideas.jpg)
:lol
Looking forward to the Star One writeup, and then seeing how fast people jump to submissions with Floor/Damian/Dan. :biggrin:
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Stads mentions Trump in a message to Chad and a discussion doesn't follow? Did I travel to a different universe?
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TAC – 16.0
Horisont – Electrical 5 2 0.5 7.5
Dead Lord - Don't Give A Damn 5.5 2 1 8.5
I didn’t really think about it much then, though I have to now for the write-up, but the a-side grabbed me, and I like it a lot more than I probably should. Great tandem guitar in the solo, which was very reminiscent of, say, “Detroit Rock City”, and the excellent rhyming of “electrical”, “directional” and “incomprehensible” sent it over the top (reminds me of “plaster”, “caster”, “faster”, “master”). This is just simple, straight-ahead rock and roll, but taken seriously and not in an ironic way (there is nothing at all ironic about Kiss, and that’s one of the things I love about them). The b-side was excellent too; you really nailed this in terms of what I like about Kiss and bands like them. That guitar from the main riff could be right off one of the first three albums, and (as you pointed out) the lyrics get the cartoony arrogance of Kiss lyrics, again, without the irony or the mockery. I shouldn’t even have to mention that that guy sounds more like Paul Stanley than Paul does today.
Thematically you nailed it too, though not without a little help. I was going back and forth between 0.5 and 1, and thinking “what do a bunch of modern day Swedes know about gritty 70’s New York Metal?” but then I read this quote from the singer: “Put the 5 soldiers of Horisont in a time machine 50 years ahead of time and we would still rock the silver socks of any future man, woman or robot”, which is something Gene or Ace would absolutely say, and this from the Dead Lord website: “Dead Lord was formed in January 2012. The mission was to rock. It still is.”, which Paul might have actually said at one point about Kiss. Seriously, though, I like how you so subtly and thoughtfully addressed the theme about one of the LEAST subtle bands in the history of rock and roll!
FIREWINGS/KATTLEOX – 15.0
EdGuy - Love Tyger 5 2 0.5 7.5
Sonata Arctica - Cinder Block 5 2 0.5 7.5
The A-side was not the song of the round, but it was one of the songs that grew on me the most. At one point I found myself walking around the kitchen singing “Love T-t-t-t-t-tyger!”. It’s a really good, basic song with no real message but a lot of fun. I loved the bit in the Edguy Wikipedia article that said Edguy’s lyrics are often metaphorical, alluding to metaphysical or social themes: conformity, dictation by the church, and dangers of modern civilization”. I don’t know; I got more of a Steel Panther vibe, but that’s not to say the song was light weight or ineffective. I thought it was very catchy and put a smile on my face, and that’s really what (I think) good music should do. The b-side struck a chord with me as I played banjo in my band in Philly, and I have a neat picture of James Hetfield with a banjo photoshopped in. It was a good song, though and it used the banjo as well as a Finnish power metal band can. I don’t know if this was a b-side or not, but it certainly FELT like one.
Thematically, Edguy is more Van Halen than Kiss, but it still was evocative of the sort of mid-80’s period Kiss. I also liked the video that played with it, because at one point the band were cartoon tigers on stage and the character stuck out a tongue of which even Gene would have been envious. I got less connection out of the b-side, though it sounded like a b-side and it was vaguely (though not enough to really earn a ton of points) evocative of Destroyer, with the chorus and strings and grand piano.
V-CHLORTHO – 15.5
D.A.D. - Siamese Twin 5 2 1 8
D.A.D. - Down That Dusty 3rd World Road 5 2 0.5 7.5
This was a good song, until I read the lyrics. Then – depending who I’m talking to – it’s either an excellent song or despicable! Haha, no, I think it’s funny, and I think that, while I can’t rule out something lost in translation – like many of the Scorpions lyrics – it’s kind of the sort of shameless finger to the eye that good rock and roll is, and that so much of Kiss’ catalogue is. Although the music isn’t similar, the lyric “She is two of a kind and she is mine and I tell you I love her” reminded me of “She’s So European” off of Unmasked (which is one of my favorite Kiss tunes ever). Of course they followed that with “She is a six hole golf course and I, uh, need her.” Haha. But it’s a good song. You really nailed it, though with the b-side. That’s a good tune, and exactly what I’d expect from a b-side. That little chord sequence – bah-BUH-bah! – has stuck in my head; it reminds me in a good way of another song, but I just can’t place it, and haven’t been able to for a couple days now.
I gave you full points on the A-side. Whether you intended it or not – and I think you did – you really captured the essence of Gene in particular with that song. It’s over the top, it makes you shake your head, but at the end of the day it makes you tap your foot too. It’s just rock ‘n’ roll, and not meant to be taken too seriously; neither D.A.D. nor Gene seem to be trying to be Michael Stipe, so it is what it is. A little less so on the b-side, but I gave you a half a point extra since it reminded me of “When A Blind Man Cries” by Deep Purple so much, a song that didn’t make it’s album (“Machine Head”) because it was SO different than the rest of the material created around it.
ROMDRUMS – 16.0
Night Flight Orchestra – Paralyzed 5 2 1 8
Night Flight Orchestra - Living For The Nighttime 5 2 1 8
I have to be honest; I was blown away when I researched this and found out who “Night Flight Orchestra” really was. I wasn’t even close; I had assumed they were a sort of “Go West!” or maybe even a Little River Band, who sort of stayed under the radar and followed the trends without really straying that far from their core. But nope. Both these songs were just so evocative of Unmasked-era Kiss, it was almost scary. Not that that’s necessarily a good thing – they’re evocative of Unmasked-era Kiss, which is probably their second-most maligned record in their catalogue. But still, they captured the good points; the rhythmic pulsing, the guitars as complements, the clean, sing-a-long vocals, the lyrics that are more thematic and paint a picture rather than detail a story or make an argument. I liked these a lot.
Thematically is where this, for me, wins. When I was, say, 13, 14, and really into Kiss, but also starting to really understand what Paul and Gene were singing about, I remember being in my basement (no, not “my mom’s basement”, Chad) and listening to Unmasked, and talking on the phone with <gasp> girls (no, not my cousin, Chad) and these songs really just took me back. The sound, the rhythm, the words “Living For The Nighttime” isn’t that far removed, thematically, from “King Of The Nighttime world” or something like that, and even the titles (“Paralyzed” is the name of a Kiss song too) get the essence. I know you meant it, and it really connected in a very creative, unexpected way. I think you took a big gamble, and ought to be rewarded for it.
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(I suck at formatting).
Chad, the spot is somewhere on the right drawing, about midway down, and to the center. :)
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Chad, the spot is somewhere on the right drawing, about midway down, and to the center. :)
Brokeback Mountain style??
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Goddamn.... I never knew Russell's voice could be disliked!
I'm with Stadler on this one.
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So far everybody scores between 4 and 6 on 'Song Score'. Is this on a scale from 1-10?
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So far everybody scores between 4 and 6 on 'Song Score'. Is this on a scale from 1-10?
1 to 7.
7 points for the song, 2 for the theme, and 1 for creativity. I believe I might have said this. :)
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You might have, and I might have read over it. Thanks for the clarification though :)
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PUPPIES ON ACID – 14.0
AFI – The Great Disappointment 5.5 1.5 0 7
Incubus – Sick Sad Little World (Live) 4.5 2 0.5 7
This was a submission I had a hard time getting my arms around. Neither song grabbed me right out the gate and neither song really grew on me, but I found myself hearing things I liked as I listened, especially with the a-side. I sort of get lost in the descriptors of music – post punk, pre-goth, horror core, whatever-core – so that they mean little if anything to me, but the proof is always in the pudding , the music. This song was anything BUT a disappointment. The vocals were a little weak for my tastes, and sort of reminded me of second-rate Linkin Park or Puddle of Mudd. But the music was strong and interesting, and had a sort of Pearl Jam vibe which I dug. Don’t take this as gospel, because I love Sabbath, Alice In Chains, and Soundgarden, but I enjoy a positivity in my music. Neal Morse, Yes, and Kiss all have a positive vibe to them that I really like. This didn’t have that, and I felt it. The b-side was not much better in terms of a unified vision. I was impressed by the musicianship, and I really dug the fluid nature of the arrangement, but I wasn’t keen on the vocals or the song itself. It did strike me as a decent b-side, though, and I got the distinct impression that this was a workout of sorts, stretching the limits of the song, and I like that idea.
As for the theme, I didn’t get how this met the criteria. I suppose it’s a favorite, so you got a 1.5 but I didn’t get anything beyond that (and if you wrote it, I apologize, but I had to clean out my box to allow others to submit!). It’s kind of everything Kiss isn’t, and I couldn’t find any other tangible connection. You did get a half a point for creativity for the Incubus submittal, for various reasons, including its place as a cool b-side track.
EVERMIND – 15.5
Avantasia – The Toy Master 6 2 0.5 8.5
Avantasia – Dying For An Angel 5 2 0 7
I think I have to randomize how I listen to the songs. I want to know who is sending what, so I can give credit where credit is due, as well as account for the theme. But I saw “Avantasia” and I was like “hmmm, more Nordic metal!” and sure enough… but then I listened to the music and was pleasantly surprised. I really liked The Toy Master and certainly having Alice Cooper on board doesn’t hurt to me. As I understand it, this is part of a concept album, and it’s always tough to jump in to a concept with just one song, but regardless this seems to work. “The Toy Master” implies just the right amount – and the right type – of creepiness and Alice is perhaps the best in music to deliver this kind of vibe. I really dug this. The b-side was strong too; I’m a fan of Klaus Meine, though I don’t view him as a great “pure singer”, and his vocals don’t always mesh with those around him; I have a couple of MSG versions of “Doctor Doctor” with Klaus guesting, and they don’t always blend well.
Thematically, I like the Alice reference. He’s not Kiss – and vice versa – but I get the similarities, and certainly there is overlap; Kiss didn’t go with Bob Ezrin on Destroyer because of his work with Peter Gabriel (which came after, I know. Shut up.) Less so with the Klaus reference; yeah, they are contemporaries, and in fact, the first time I saw Kiss, I saw Scorpions about three months later in the exact same hockey arena.
WOLFKING – 15.0
Avantasia – Restless Heart 5.5 2 0 7.5
Dream Evil – Creature Of The Night 5 2 0.5 7.5
“Hmmm, more Nordic metal!” Haha, that’s not a bad thing; if anything else, I’ve gotten a great appreciation for some of the music coming out of that part of the world, and I have to say I’m rather impressed with the varied nature of that music. Not so much the various genres, that’s a given, but in terms of the people. Mike is varied, but let’s be real: it is basically prog and metal. There’s not a lot of jazz or blues coming out of the Portnoy house. Gene Simmons “stretching” is a power ballad. But some of these guys are black metal, prog metal, pop metal, 70’s pop rock, etc. and it’s pretty convincing at that. I have similar thoughts on the Dream Evil track. As an aside, I’m always leery of bands that take their name from songs by other artists in their genre (broadly speaking) so when I see that I think “DIO!” and it’s sometimes a hard hurdle to cross. Nonetheless, this was a good track. I really liked the music and the vocals did a nice job of supporting that music.
Thematically, I didn’t see the connection with the a-side; I mean, I gave two points for it being a favorite, but I couldn’t go beyond that. I did, though, give a taste on the b-side because I thought the “Creature of the Night” was a nice touch, and it’s favorite album of mine, so there you go.
SCORPION – 17.0
Star One – Victim Of The Modern Age 7 2 0 9
Devin Townsend Project – Little Pig (Demo) 6 2 0 8
I know I started with a little nod to “NASCAR” and to reference that, let me say that this is solid racing. Nothing fancy, you didn’t knock it out of the park creativity-wise, but you won two stages and finished in the top three of the race to garner a ton of Championship points (if you don’t follow NASCAR, you have no idea what I’m saying, do you?) Anyway, solid; you could say “the Malcom Young of roulette playing”.
Star One: Song of the round. Blew me away the first time I heard it, and blew me away about 10 minutes ago when I put it on again. Blew me away the five or ten times I listened to it in between. Loved the intro, loved the buildup, and loved the vocals. Reminded me of Tony Martin a bit in the verses, but blew that right out of the water with the gang vocals in the choruses and the bridge. Chad, I literally crapped my drawers when I found out who sang the verses. I stand by everything I wrote above, and all I can say is here, his voice is tempered by the other singers around him and are elevated by what is just a phenomenally epic track. You could say I liked this IN SPITE of Russell Allen, but that’s not really true, because I liked his work here. I don’t believe it was him, but I even liked the growl part! And I hate growls! As for the b-side, I can see how someone may not like the vocals in the end part, but I really liked the build-up and thought it was way better than the sum of its parts. If nothing else, these roulettes ought to be sponsored by Devin because they are single-handedly turning me into a big fan of his music (already a big fan of him).
Thematically, I can’t really give you much on the a-side. Sorry, as good as the song is, I just don’t see it, though I give you two points on the assumption that this is one of your favorite artists (I can definitely buy that). I thought about giving a half a point because of the b-side feel of having “Demo” in the title, but it didn’t play like a b-side. Maybe that’s what a Devin Townsend b-side is, but I didn’t see it, and there is certainly nothing to elevate it thematically beyond “it might be your favorite”.
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You might have, and I might have read over it. Thanks for the clarification though :)
It was more of a dig at me than you. I can sometimes get wordy. :)
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SACUL – 15.0
Anathema – Untouchable Part I 5 2 0.5 7.5
Anathema – Untouchable Part II 5 2 0.5 7.5
Good solid tunes. I liked these. They didn’t stick out and make me want to sing along, but I liked them. I had “The Gathering Of The Clouds” in a previous roulette and liked it too, and this is consistent with that. I really liked how the Part I built up to a crescendo that was satisfying, but it didn’t preclude a Part II. And Part II did its own nice build, with its own crescendo, but in a totally different way (LOVED the vocals in the latter half of Part II). This is good music, and not much to say beyond that.
Thematically, I struggled with how it worked, but then I realized that it’s the perfect relationship of a-side and b-side (and it didn’t hurt that I found out that’s pretty close to what happened in real life).
HOME – 16.0
Death Cab For Cutie - Transatlanticism 5.5 2 1 8.5
Death Cab For Cutie – I Will Follow You Into The Dark 5 2 0.5 7.5
I wanted to hate this so bad. From the band name – top one worst band names of all time, even ahead of Anal C*** - to the fact that Ben Gibbard married Zooey Deschanel and I didn’t, I just wanted to hate it. But I can’t. It’s actually pretty good. The end gets a little repetitious, but I think that’s part of the artistry, the sort of musical equivalent of the yearning across time and space. And I really dig that shit, so to speak. I love when the music speaks to you just as much as the lyrics (Evidence of Autumn, by Genesis, Turn Of The Century by Yes). I’m not sure I could listen to that over and over, as it’s a little bleak, but it communicates what it needs to communicate, and I’m a big fan of that. The b-side was, well, a b-side. Well crafted and well-played, it does sort of highlight the problem with some of the more “emo” alternative bands; it’s a little wordy (I know, Chad, right?) and that wordiness seems to get in the way of the flow at times, but it’s a good song, and it certainly has a poignancy to it that’s hard to deny.
Thematically, I liked your story (it’s yours to share, not mine) and that’s the kind of thing I would say so you got the extra point. Perhaps not as bombastically as some of the others, but you earned it. The b-side was a quintessential b-side, so you went above and beyond on that as well. Nice job.
ELITE – 12.5
Ulver – Rolling Stone 4.5 1.5 0 6
Ulver – The Future Sound Of Music 4.5 1.5 0.5 6.5
Hardest write up of the group, by far. Bro, we connected in the last roulette; lot’s of solid 7.5’s, and a Jeff Buckley “Grace”, and a Gary Clark, Jr. to boot! But this just missed. I didn’t get the music itself, I didn’t get the thematic content of the music… I just didn’t get it. I’m so sorry. I hope you don’t get discouraged, it’s a long road to the championship. The first song took a long time to build-up, but it didn’t seem – to me – to payoff. I don’t mind the build-up, and I have the patience, but it didn’t pay off; maybe if it was 6:00 minutes instead of 9:27, that might have made the difference. But while it did sort of get better over time (I think my first score was a 3, and I added a half a point as late as this write up) I won’t lie: even the 4.5 is a sort of gift when I look at some of the the other songs in the round. As for the b-side, I don’t mind noise per se, but I spent the first 2:00 minutes shaking my phone because I thought the squeaks were part of the playback and not the song itself. You did score a little extra because the sound at about 6:00 or so was reminiscent of the growl in “One Foot Out The Door” by Van Halen.
Thematically, I just didn’t get it. This might be your favorite, and so a 1.5, but I got nothing that elevates past that, and in fact, just the opposite. I gave you a half a point for a good b-side, since that’s the exact thing that you’d find on a b-side (ala “Mission From ‘Arry” or “You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)”.
LOWDZ – 16.0
Crown Of Thorns – Crown Of Thorns 5 2 1 8
Crown Of Thorns – Dying For You 5 2 1 8
I really liked the a-side a lot. That guitar lick is stuck in my head, and I know I know it from somewhere but I can’t place it. This is just well-written and well-played hard rock, and to be honest, I’m really surprise (and not a little embarrassed) that I haven’t heard this before. I liked the vocals, almost reminiscent of Joe Lynn Turner a little. This isn’t Kiss, but has the Kiss formula down pat. The b-side was good too, and SEEMED like a b-side, in the best possible way.
Thematically, this is a big winner. I said “it’s not Kiss”, but it was produced by Paul Stanley, and more importantly, Jean Beauvoir plays bass on this (and allegedly wrote some songs, though I haven’t seen any credits). In fact, Jean Beauvoir played a LOT of bass – perhaps more than even Gene himself - on the mid-80’s Kiss records Animalize and Asylum, while Gene was off hitting on Kirstie Alley in “Runaway”.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but after Round 1:
Indiscipline 17.0
Scorpion 17.0
Nekov 16.5
TAC 16.0
Romdrums 16.0
Home 16.0
Lowdz 16.0
v-Chlortho 15.5
Evermind 15.5
Jingle 15.0
Firewings 15.0
Wolfking 15.0
Sacul 15.0
King 14.5
Puppies 14.0
Elite 12.5
EDIT: When I hit "modify", all those numbers are in a perfect line. I give up.
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Stadler I sent you a PM last night regarding Round 2. Can you respond please?
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Well, at least you got some of the other song rankings right! :biggrin:
Sending later tonight ... maybe tomorrow morning. I - unlike a bunch of the other whiners around here - had no problem finding options for this round. One last listen to my choices to make sure I agree with my final decision.
EDIT: When I hit "modify", all those numbers are in a perfect line. I give up.
Best way to do it is to make it Courier (a monospaced) font. You'll need to adjust the number of spaces inbetween, but that's the only way I know to line things up like that.
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I - unlike a bunch of the other whiners around here - had no problem finding options for this round.
(https://media.tenor.com/images/8e61e0031edd9ec7f7a753d8313980e7/raw)
If that were true...
Sending later tonight ... maybe tomorrow morning.
….it would've been sent already. Buying time??
(https://pics.me.me/i-call-bullshit-on-that-one-13918009.png)
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Check your PM... Bitch
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Long way to go, good! Let's see for round 2 :)
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I have no idea what's going on in here really but with some sort of KISS theme going on , Crown of Thorns was a cool choice Paul :tup I assume that's Dying For Love? From memory Paul Stanley co-wrote Winterland on that same album.
And Jean also wrote Uh! All Night - not sure if that's a claim to fame or not :lol
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Had no clue with the theme for round 1 and no clue for round 2. I'll take that score though.
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Top 3 :omg:
Will send tomorrow. I alrady know what side a will be, need to decide b side.
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Stads... your problem is (I believe) you've copy/pasted from your spreadsheet, and have combined a "tab" with "spaces" between the name and score to make them look lined up as you create the post, but then they get fucked up when you actually post.
Indiscipline 17.0
Scorpion 17.0
Nekov 16.5
TAC 16.0
Romdrums 16.0
Home 16.0
Lowdz 16.0
v-Chlortho 15.5
Evermind 15.5
Jingle 15.0
Firewings 15.0
Wolfking 15.0
Sacul 15.0
King 14.5
Puppies 14.0
Elite 12.5
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Happy with that score, glad you enjoyed it. It’s a great album.
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Check your PM... Bitch
You mean this one?
I have no idea what to send.
Roulette stud, maybe you could recommend something to help me get through this round.
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Check your PM... Bitch
You mean this one?
I have no idea what to send.
Roulette stud, maybe you could recommend something to help me get through this round.
How the fuck did you get access to my PM's? ;D
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Check your PM... Bitch
You mean this one?
I have no idea what to send.
Roulette stud, maybe you could recommend something to help me get through this round.
How Tim thinks he looks after winning a roulette:
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DarkYellowChimpanzee-max-1mb.gif)
How everyone else sees him:
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/c29b786e70f5ad60674d00cd4733e81d/tenor.gif?itemid=7270909)
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Here's how they see you.
(https://www.hencam.com/static/uploads/2011/08/Agnes-red-bottom.jpg)
;D
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No Tim, that's definitely you lol
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I sent for round 2. I'm almost 100% sure I'm getting no creativity points for one of my songs, but I'm here to send good music......and try to conform to the themes as best I can :corn
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No Tim, that's definitely you lol
Oh...the fucking henhouse chimes in!
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Stads... your problem is (I believe) you've copy/pasted from your spreadsheet, and have combined a "tab" with "spaces" between the name and score to make them look lined up as you create the post, but then they get fucked up when you actually post.
I think he was lining up the text in the forum's edit box which doesn't use a monospaced font, and so the wrong number of spaces were used.
It would probably be best to write it up in something like Notepad (which uses a monospaced font by default) and then copy/paste that into the forum edit box, and switch to Courier. They won't look aligned there but they will be when it's posted.
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No Tim, that's definitely you lol
Oh...the fucking henhouse chimes in!
Cluck Cluck mother fucker! :lol
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^LOL
Round two sent.
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Holy cow, first place! Glad you appreciated the theme shenaningans and the tunes.
Sending round two, a probable regression to my usual roulette mean.
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I have no idea what's going on in here really but with some sort of KISS theme going on , Crown of Thorns was a cool choice Paul :tup I assume that's Dying For Love? From memory Paul Stanley co-wrote Winterland on that same album.
And Jean also wrote Uh! All Night - not sure if that's a claim to fame or not :lol
For this roulette it is. Got him some extra points!
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Sent. Not 100% happy as my first choice wasn’t on YouTube but have worked round it.
And yes, Crown Of thorns was my first thought when I saw the theme. Nearly sent Hike It Up as P S is on background vocals I think.
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Sent. Not 100% happy as my first choice wasn’t on YouTube but have worked round it.
And yes, Crown Of thorns was my first thought when I saw the theme. Nearly sent Hike It Up as P S is on background vocals I think.
Don't second guess; I'm a music geek, so the "Jean Beauvoir" sighting was worth a LOT more than the relatively obvious "Paul backing vocals".
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Sent. Not 100% happy as my first choice wasn’t on YouTube but have worked round it.
And yes, Crown Of thorns was my first thought when I saw the theme. Nearly sent Hike It Up as P S is on background vocals I think.
Don't second guess; I'm a music geek, so the "Jean Beauvoir" sighting was worth a LOT more than the relatively obvious "Paul backing vocals".
I’ve come to realise that too much thought is the roulette killer 😀
I’m just glad I will have a big chunk of my music collection to use for a change 😀
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I will send either tomorrow or the day after, I'm sorry. It's an incredible damn busy week at work for me. I'll try and think about the tracks on my commute and will do my best to send in 24 hours from now on, but no promises so far.
Good to see Alice Cooper getting some love, it's a killer Avantasia track.
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I will send either tomorrow or the day after, I'm sorry. It's an incredible damn busy week at work for me. I'll try and think about the tracks on my commute and will do my best to send in 24 hours from now on, but no promises so far.
Good to see Alice Cooper getting some love, it's a killer Avantasia track.
If the rest of the gang is good, I'm good.
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Sent already
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I will send either tomorrow or the day after, I'm sorry. It's an incredible damn busy week at work for me. I'll try and think about the tracks on my commute and will do my best to send in 24 hours from now on, but no promises so far.
Good to see Alice Cooper getting some love, it's a killer Avantasia track.
If the rest of the gang is good, I'm good.
No, I'm most certainly not good. I object vehemently. Disqualify him immediately.
Or at least, start listening to his tracks late if everyone else is in.
Or wait... whatever works best for you.
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Sent already
Same
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Sent already
Same
Ev should feel shame. :lol
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Sent already
Same
Ev should feel shame. :lol
Yes, Lots of shame! Can we get nuns to yell "shame" at him?
(Hey Stadler there is no 'h' in my user name)
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(Hey Stadler there is no 'h' in my user name)
v-clortho
:orly:
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(Hey Stadler there is no 'h' in my user name)
v-clortho
:orly:
Ok I'm an idiot. There's only 1 'h'
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Sent already
Same
Ev should feel shame. :lol
Oh I sent as well.
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Good to see Alice Cooper getting some love
Always!
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I will try and send later tonight.
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Sent already
Same
Ev should feel shame. :lol
Yes, Lots of shame! Can we get nuns to yell "shame" at him?
(Hey Stadler there is no 'h' in my user name)
HAHA, that makes me laugh, not least because I am paranoid about name-spelling. You, King, KTLX (I use the airport designation because I have for reals no idea what his ACTUAL screen name is).
BUT, rest assured I will be leaving the "h" out as a goof from here on out (all in fun, bud!). :).
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Lol. You think I worry about spelling? Lolol
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HOME – 16.0
I wanted to hate this so bad. From the band name – top one worst band names of all time, even ahead of Anal C*** - to the fact that Ben Gibbard married Zooey Deschanel and I didn’t, I just wanted to hate it. But I can’t. It’s actually pretty good. The end gets a little repetitious, but I think that’s part of the artistry, the sort of musical equivalent of the yearning across time and space. And I really dig that shit, so to speak. I love when the music speaks to you just as much as the lyrics (Evidence of Autumn, by Genesis, Turn Of The Century by Yes). I’m not sure I could listen to that over and over, as it’s a little bleak, but it communicates what it needs to communicate, and I’m a big fan of that. The b-side was, well, a b-side. Well crafted and well-played, it does sort of highlight the problem with some of the more “emo” alternative bands; it’s a little wordy (I know, Chad, right?) and that wordiness seems to get in the way of the flow at times, but it’s a good song, and it certainly has a poignancy to it that’s hard to deny.
Wow why the hate on the band name, it;s a pretty cool Beatles reference. I just think it is a bit misleading, as it sounds like a death metal band name. It's funny you think what is probably their most famous song is well, a b-side. Glad you liked Transatlanticism, completely agree about the end :angel:
I'll send this afternoon!
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HOME – 16.0
I wanted to hate this so bad. From the band name – top one worst band names of all time, even ahead of Anal C*** - to the fact that Ben Gibbard married Zooey Deschanel and I didn’t, I just wanted to hate it. But I can’t. It’s actually pretty good. The end gets a little repetitious, but I think that’s part of the artistry, the sort of musical equivalent of the yearning across time and space. And I really dig that shit, so to speak. I love when the music speaks to you just as much as the lyrics (Evidence of Autumn, by Genesis, Turn Of The Century by Yes). I’m not sure I could listen to that over and over, as it’s a little bleak, but it communicates what it needs to communicate, and I’m a big fan of that. The b-side was, well, a b-side. Well crafted and well-played, it does sort of highlight the problem with some of the more “emo” alternative bands; it’s a little wordy (I know, Chad, right?) and that wordiness seems to get in the way of the flow at times, but it’s a good song, and it certainly has a poignancy to it that’s hard to deny.
Wow why the hate on the band name, it;s a pretty cool Beatles reference. I just think it is a bit misleading, as it sounds like a death metal band name. It's funny you think what is probably their most famous song is well, a b-side. Glad you liked Transatlanticism, completely agree about the end :angel:
I'll send this afternoon!
Oh, it's totally my preconception; I'm not a huge fan of the sort of "emo hipster" music that the critics love, and "Death Cab For Cutie" fits into that (for me). Some of that stuff just seems too clever for its own good, and I sort of think "irony" is wasted on music. I'm more interested in the sort of youthful earnestness of 70's, and even 80's, rock over the more self-aware youthfulness of the grunge and post-grunge music. I like unabashed bombast and naive pretension over the sort of reluctant bombast and ironic pretension of stuff like Nirvana. To me, something like Courtney Barnett is BO-ring, not cute, not funny, not relevant.
Sorry, my opinion only, and of course if someone feels different, I respect that. I loved your story, and almost feel bad shitting on a song (or two) that mean something to you. For me, that's the ultimate test of music anyway, whether it connects with someone.
The song that "felt like a b-side" was really because of the way the song was structured. Sometimes "simple" is "better", and it seemed a little wordy and... not "forced" exactly, but like it was a rough take and there would be "editing" later. Have you ever heard the demo versions of Kayleigh, by Marillion? Or the demos of the aborted album that would have come after "Clutching At Straws"? Fish had not yet finalized the lyrics and he was clearly searching for not only the subject matter but the voice and the cadence of the words, and the second DCFC song felt like that. Not bad, in fact it was a good song, but it was the impression and the feel that led me to sort of think of it as a b-side.
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and almost feel bad shitting on a song (or two) that mean something to you. For me, that's the ultimate test of music anyway, whether it connects with someone.
Don't worry! You were hardly shitting on it, and giving your opinion/critique on the songs sent is a kinda the point of the roulettes :azn: I just happen to really love a lot of bands that could be classified as 'emo hipster' music lately ;p I haven't heard that version of Kayleigh but I'll listen to it to see if I can get your point!
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Nice :metal
What's the next theme?
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Sent.
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I still haven't sent. Aiming to tonight.
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I still haven't sent. Aiming to tonight.
Stadler ain't getting any younger.
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I still haven't sent. Aiming to tonight.
Stadler ain't getting any younger.
Pot, meet kettle.
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:lol
Shut up old man!
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:rollin
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Hey, I know! Lol
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they're back..............
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Wow, Brent just comes in to zing you guys, brilliant!
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:lol
As I'm typing from my recliner heating my back before work. Lol
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Wait, is Death Cab for Cutie a Beatles reference?
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When can we expect an update, a hangman, a whosentwhat or even results?
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Wait, is Death Cab for Cutie a Beatles reference?
Indirectly; it is a song by someone else - I forget by who - that appeared in the "Magical Mystery Tour" movie. I think the song itself swiped the title from somewhere else as well (a book maybe?). I read that once on Wikipedia I think.
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When can we expect an update, a hangman, a whosentwhat or even results?
When I get all submissions. Give me some ideas to do. I'm leery about a hangman, because if'n I'm not on, it sits there without being updated. I'd like to do something, though, so there's not a lull in between.
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So what's the theme for this round? :P
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When can we expect an update, a hangman, a whosentwhat or even results?
When I get all submissions.
Jesus people! It's only been a week since Stads gave us the theme.
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So what's the theme for this round? :P
"Is it live or is it Memorex?"
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Stadler, I never got a PM confirmation you got my PM submission wednesday. Am I the missing one for some unexplicable tech reason?
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Stadler, I never got a PM confirmation you got my PM submission wednesday. Am I the missing one for some unexplicable tech reason?
Nope; as I see it, I'm missing, in hangman form:
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Puppies
Wolfking
Sacul
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Thanks :tup
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Nope; as I see it, I'm missing, in hangman form:
Wolfking
Sco--ion (since these are the letters in the other names)
Sacul
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Damn you, Scontion
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Scotishion? Do we have a scotish guy here?
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Ok, I've sent.
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Wolfie young laddie....
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Leave him alone old man...
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...run Kade RUN!!
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So what’s the theme? 😀😀😀
Kidding. Could do with knowing what next week”s is though, so I can prepare.
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Leave him alone old man...
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...run Kade RUN!!
:rollin although I do have a lot less hair than that kid.
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There should be a rule in roulette's.... PAY THE FOCK ATTENTION!!!
Also, the next two themes (for you to start thinking about, though we're still doing one round at a time; don't send yet):
"Is it live or is it Memorex?"
"Stadler, high school Class of 1985".
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Even I knew the third round theme, so that's saying something Paul. ;D
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There should be a rule in roulette's.... PAY THE FOCK ATTENTION!!!
Also, the next two themes (for you to start thinking about, though we're still doing one round at a time; don't send yet):
"Is it live or is it Memorex?"
"Stadler, high school Class of 1985".
Maybe a rule that makes hosts update the OP with the weekly theme every once in a while :P
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Even I knew the third round theme, so that's saying something Paul. ;D
Hey, I’m a busy man. I ain’t got time to actually read an” stuff 😜
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Hmm,looking at my best of 85 list, you might get a load of submissions from the same album. 😱
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Even I knew the third round theme, so that's saying something Paul. ;D
Hey, I’m a busy man. I ain’t got time to actually read an” stuff 😜
It's not like your the President of the United States! :rollin
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There should be a rule in roulette's.... PAY THE FOCK ATTENTION!!!
Also, the next two themes (for you to start thinking about, though we're still doing one round at a time; don't send yet):
"Is it live or is it Memorex?"
"Stadler, high school Class of 1985".
Maybe a rule that makes hosts update the OP with the weekly theme every once in a while :P
Or you just follow the thread and keep up with the roulette you're participating in :corn
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There should be a rule in roulette's.... PAY THE FOCK ATTENTION!!!
Also, the next two themes (for you to start thinking about, though we're still doing one round at a time; don't send yet):
"Is it live or is it Memorex?"
"Stadler, high school Class of 1985".
Maybe a rule that makes hosts update the OP with the weekly theme every once in a while :P
I'm only on for a second now but I'll try to put up the themes in the OP tonight or tomorrow, and I might even add the last two themes before the cut round. Remember, after the fifth round, we enter The Chase For The Championship!
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...and then there was one. Still waiting for one submission (Sco—ion) but listening. Some of you nailed it, just sayin’.
I might be quiet the rest of the day (wife getting surgery today) but rest easy I’m listening.
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Hopefully nothing too serious, Bill.
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Yup. Hope it's not serious.
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So, fine gentlemen, who's sending Winger - Seventeen for Round 3?
Hope the surgery goes well too.
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I have my songs picked for the next round. Neither are songs from 1985. Sending songs from 1985 should net zero creativity points.
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I don't have songs picked yet, but I have a great idea what to do in that particular round. :lol
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Quick note: thank you for the kind words, it's deeply appreciated. Wife is fine; it was a frozen shoulder and they were able to release it (under anesthesia, which was the scary part) thus avoiding the need to actually go inside.
Still taking the rest of the day off, though. HAHA. Still listening, still waiting for one (I'm sorry to be a dick, but I'm already self-conscious about the pace of this, so I'm listening, and when I'm ready to post results, I'm doing it, and - using NASCAR terminology - if someone doesn't submit, we'll call it a "DNF".
I'll also release the last two (before the playoffs) themes soon as well.
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THE GERMAN EFFICIENCY IS A LIE!
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Have you sent him a PM? He hasn't been active for a few days so he might have forgotten.
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He obviously blew an engine.
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He obviously blew an engine.
Or crashed into the wall.
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If anybody takes a week to send next round I'm slapping them from across the universe.
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Where the f&$* are my results?? :)
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I heard he was sending them to Puppies first and then Puppies was going to post them.
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I heard he was sending them to Puppies first and then Puppies was going to post them.
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I heard he was sending them to Puppies first and then Puppies was going to post them.
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Tim has no idea what that is. Lol.
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A giant turd bush? :lol
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:lol
OMG. I knew it. Lol
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Is it a pile of K-Lox's hair at the barbers?
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:lol
https://youtu.be/XCZAm4Gvau0
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Is it a pile of K-Lox's hair at the barbers?
Can I have it then?
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WTF is that? :lol
Talking fast food? :lol
Is the brown dude a hamburger?
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:rollin
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The brown thing is Meatwad :lol I'm dead :rollin
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Yeah, I had no fucking idea what that was either.
Meatwad??! :rollin
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Aqua Teen Hunger Force. One of the funniest shows I've ever seen. This is what this thread is turning into without results. :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM2G-TAmZG8
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Yeah I've heard of that, never watched it though.
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What happens when old man Stadler is away from his thread..
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It's actually more fun for me reading this than writing the results!
I kid, I kid. Good songs this round, gonna be tough to get some distance or separation. At least two of you (might be more, but I can remember two in my post-dinner wine haze) nailed the theme perfectly, got what I was thinking right on the nose. At least one of you (might be more, I can only remember one in my pre-dessert donut decaf coffee haze) came at it in a completely different way and nailed it. At least one of you - and here, I remember exactly who it was and where I was when I heard it - ought to be banned for one of the songs they sent. :)
I have a big meeting in the morning tomorrow; I'm going to try to start writing tomorrow afternoon.
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Pretty sure watching Fox And Friends does not constitute having a "big meeting".
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Yeah I've never heard of that, never watched it either.
Fixed for me.
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At least one of you - and here, I remember exactly who it was and where I was when I heard it - ought to be banned for one of the songs they sent. :)
Oh hi! :tup
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Pretty sure watching Fox And Friends does not constitute having a "big meeting".
Shush. Don't blow my gig for me.
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Hah, he said 'big meat.'
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:corn
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I've now completely forgotten what I even sent this round.
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I've now completely forgotten what I even sent this round.
I would've too... if not for a tracking spreadsheet I have of all my submissions. When you're the kind of roulette whore that I am, I gotta write everything down. :lol
Hopefully we get results today/tonight, otherwise it'll likely be Monday cuz Stads is one of the few that has a non-internet life on weekends.
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Just seen a pm from Bill saying he didn’t see my submission for this round 🤯
Don’t think I’m going to be scoring well 😀
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Just seen a pm from Bill saying he didn’t see my submission for this round 🤯
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Most dudes computers are filled with downloaded porn. I think Chad's is filled with every Gif in the world.
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Most men have actual women gifs. J-boy has a stockpile of little girls.
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Just seen a pm from Bill saying he didn’t see my submission for this round 🤯
Don’t think I’m going to be scoring well 😀
Nah, all good. I try to listen as blind as I can and as I was going back to look at PMs for "theme input" I didn't see a PM from you (I must have deleted it). But your songs are in the loop.
Writing now, and hoping to get as much done today as I can so I can hopefully squeeze the rest in tomorrow am so you don't have to wait the weekend.
Some good songs.
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Wait, I sent a Glen Campbell song, yeah? And something else? I swear even when I first heard that song I thought, "I think Stadler would love this." Please don't prove me wrong, I'm doing bad enough in Pup's roulette :lol
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Wait, I sent a Glen Campbell song, yeah? And something else? I swear even when I first heard that song I thought, "I think Stadler would love this." Please don't prove me wrong, I'm doing bad enough in Pup's roulette :lol
And you started out so well...
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Hey, it's not my fault you didn't like the last three very good submissions :neverusethis:
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Do we know yet what the themes are for Rounds 4 & 5 are?
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Do we know yet what the themes are for Rounds 4 & 5 are?
We don't even know what the results for round 2 are yet. :corn :corn :corn :corn
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I'm beginning to wonder if this roulette is live or memorex.
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almost a month into this one and there's been results for one round so far :corn
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Jeez, put your cocks back in your pants thirsty bois
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Jeez, put your cocks back in your pants thirsty bois
If you don't like the look of my cock grab it and put it back for me then.
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I'm beginning to wonder if this roulette is live or memorex.
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Jeez, put your cocks back in your pants thirsty bois
If you don't like the look of my cock grab it and put it back for me then.
Sure I'll have a little bite first if you don't mind
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Jeez, put your cocks back in your pants thirsty bois
If you don't like the look of my cock grab it and put it back for me then.
Sure I'll have a little bite first if you don't mind
Signature checks out.
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This is slower that Katt's roulette and he at least has a good excuse....
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There is no excuse, other than confluence of events. I thought I had a free morning, but apparently there was a shit/fan collision at work and that changed the course of my day by sucking me in. 75% of writeups done, so no question it will be tomorrow morning, I'll start releasing results.
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Jeez, put your cocks back in your pants thirsty bois
If you don't like the look of my cock grab it and put it back for me then.
Sure I'll have a little bite first if you don't mind
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:corn :corn
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Write-ups done. Will post in the morning.
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Thread title change is warranted. This is more like Seinfeld than Nascar.
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Okay, so some notes; first, we had a DNF. I sincerely hope that everything is okay with him, and that it’s just real life, and not a) something catastrophic, or b) one boring ass roulette. I’d even rather take b) over a). (No, Chad, seriously.)
So I had a clear idea in mind here. I was thinking of Kiss Alive!, which is rumored to be a studio creation other than the drums (I don’t think that’s true, but then again, I’ve heard demos of Kiss that “practice” the raps and breakdowns, so who knows), or more particularly, the live b-side “Remember Tomorrow” from Maiden, which is supposed to be live, but many suspect is Bruce singing in the studio over the backing track from the Maiden Japan version of the song. Un-Maiden-like, but you never know. Some of you nailed, this, and – and I am grateful for this – some of you went in an entirely different direction and yet still got max points. Kudos to TAC in particular. That’s genius, man.
Tip for next round: use the second song. I’m not going to continue just giving points because it sounds like it “might be” a b-side. Compare, contrast, but the second song ought to be related in some way to the theme to get points from this point forward.
Next theme I’ve already given you, but the two after that:
- The Red Rocker or Diamond Dave?
- YOU! Give me two songs about YOU. One that maybe tells us something we don’t know, and maybe one that tells us how you think others might see you. (Spoiler alert: I have heard the songs “I Am A Viking” by Yngwie, and “My Love Is Like A Tire Iron” by Ted Nugent.)
Because of all the bitching about "slow this" and "slow that", I removed a point from every person that made a smart ass comment, and two from Jingle because of the effort to rag on me. But I also gave a point back to every person that made a smart ass comment, because that round WAS slow and I'm sorry. I gave an extra point back to Jingle because of the effort to rag on me. :)
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NEKOV – 16.0
Lonely Robot - Are We Copies? 5.5 2 0.5 8
Lonely Robot - Symbolic 5 2 1 8
Never heard of them. I have, though, heard of John Mitchell. I should love all of his work, but for some reason the various bands he’s been in haven’t grabbed me (though that changed a little in my last roulette). I really liked this though; it was sort of like steamlined prog, if that’s a think. Slicker, more… metallic, not in the rock sense, but in the elemental sense. This was like stainless steel. I loved the first song, though the second was a grower. Theme wise, I thought that was creative, and in fact, you were carrying a “1 + 0” for the second song for most of the listening period, then the last listen as I’m writing, it hit me: “Symbolic” – symbol – the real thing or an exemplar… and I thought that was really putting in the effort.
INDISCIPLINE – 15.5
Dread Zeppelin – Stairway To Heaven 5.5 2 1 8.5
Molotov – Rap Soda y Bohemia 4 2 1 7
WTF, Indiscipline. I’ve heard of Dread Zeppelin before, and heard a song or two over the years, but not this one. I really liked it, and while the whole premise is a fucking goof – reggae versions of Zeppelin’s songs sung by an Elvis impersonator – it’s not bad, and it’s done with love. They can play; the iconic drum fill is note perfect, the solo is spot on, but all things in between are up for grabs! You get full creative points for the meta-nature of the whole thing; the band is a tribute, the singer is a tribute in and of itself… it’s just well done. As for the other… almost started me drinking again, almost ended my marriage, almost made me pregnant, almost cost me my hair… I’m not sure a ban is in order, but close. I HATED this at first; I think the preliminary score was a 2. Maybe. It kind of grew on me as I realized that they were singing the “mama, ooh ooh ooh ooh” and it wasn’t a sample. That got some points. I didn’t mind the rapping part, and the “If you think you can score with me, you can kiss my ass” was funny, but the “OOOOH!” in the background ala Limp Bizkit ultimately sealed the deal and locked you in at a 4. Keep up the creativity though; you’re nailing the crap out of the bigger picture of this roulette and some of the others ought to be taking notes.
KINGSHMEGLAND - 16.5
Jimi Hendrix – Manic Depression 5 2 1 8
King’s X – Manic Depression 5.5 2 1 8.5
Hardest write-up to do; I’ve heard the Jimi version before. In fairness, I made that clear, and we opted to move forward in the spirit of the theme… and I went back, and almost like someone sampling something from a chef… I gave it a shot. And it paid off. I’m hit or miss with Jimi based on his vocals, and while this is not his best singing, it is a great song. I’m not a huge King’s X fan – I’ve long said that Doug Pinnick ruins “Lines In The Sand” – but this was good and his singing was song-appropriate, so it really showed me something. And what the hell was I thinking with Ty Tabor! He absolutely tears it up. I was really impressed with his playing here; he played perhaps the most famous guitarist in rock and yet made it sound more than just a “cover”. Thematically, I gave the full two points, I think it really worked well with the two songs together, and as I’m sort of encouraging that more (see the next couple themes) I’m going to reward this. I liked the “live”/”Memorex”/”the real thing”/”a band clearly influenced by…” relationship to this.
JINGLE.BOY – 16.5
Lost In Thought – Beyond The Flames 5.5 2 1 8.5
Eumeria – Rebel Mind 5 2 1 8
Holy mackeral. I’m really picky when it comes to prog metal – as you’ve found out first hand – as I think there’s a fine line between genre/homage/copyright infringement, and a lot of prog metal seems to me to want to obliterate that line. I’m also really picky about vocals and some of the prog metal singing is all over the map. This was really good though. I particularly liked the Lost In Thought; the song was really well played and arranged. I liked the call-response vocals – reminiscent of a favorite band of ours, isn’t it (but more on that later!)? The Eumeria wasn’t quite as strong, but it grew on me, and sort of hit on a different “vein” of Dream Theater. More like, I imagine, “Awake” era DT, this grew on me and I really like it. I’m always leering of bands/songs that sound that much like others; why not just listen to the other, original artists? But this was good, and it really held up on it’s own merits. You kind of got a bonus here. I liked the creativity in going for a “carbon copy” of Dream Theater, since we all sort of call a Dream Theater forum “home”.
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TAC – 17.0
Dave Bickler – Fear Of The Dark 6 2 1 9
My Solioquy - Fractured 5 2 1 8
So I had to look up Dave Bickler; one of those names that rings a bell, but the dust is too great to actually recall the answer. Love it! Doesn’t hurt that the song is pretty darn good, too. I love the tribal buildup and the payoff at 1:40 was excellent. It’s a little Jeff Scott Soto-ish at that point, but that’s a good thing, since that’s what the vocals on Sons of Apollo SHOULD have been, or would have been if I was king. My Soliloquy was a harder putt; at first I hated the vocals, especially on the verses, but then the overwhelmingly Queensrche-ian vocals of the chorus won me over, and then I started getting an early (circa Sin After Sin) Rob Halford vibe, and that got you some points. Throw in a very Dream Theater-esque passage at the end (around 4:40 or so) and it turned into an enjoyable song.
Thematically, nailed it. Not what I was I was initially going for, but still wildly creative. I was impressed. Not much to say, except this is text book.
FIREWINGS/KATTLEOX – 15.0
Kings Of Leon – Arizona 4.5 1 1 6.5
Glen Campbell – Southern Nights 6.5 1 1 8.5
Uh… I’m not sure who Leon is, or why he deserves multiple kings, but I figure I won’t dwell too much on that. I’ve heard a little of KoL before, and frankly, so sorry, haven’t been impressed. This wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t really good either. In theory, I should love this, but I really don’t. The vocals don’t have the gravity that a lot of the (good) other examples of this kind of music have, and so the score suffers as a result. Now, almost the opposite can be said of Glen Campbell. He was sort of a joke when I was growing up; “Rhinestone Cowboy” was a quasi-novelty song almost, at a time when a lot of popular country was a novelty. It was well-known in Nashville how good a player Glen is/was, but it wasn’t really until his recent “resurgence” (using the Jellyfish guys and Cheap Trick’s producer Julian Raymond) that it became common knowledge. I think I’ve heard this song before, but I never realized it was Glen (and I’m a fan!) so I was really pleasantly surprised. For the record, “Adios” (his last album) is must-listening, and it’s heartbreaking to hear his last SONG (also called “Adios”), sung with the full knowledge that his time was limited and released just weeks before his passing. If that doesn’t move you, you aren’t just rock, you are A rock.
Thematically, not really where I was going. I have to provide some separation between entries, so I’m going to give you a full point creatively, but dock a little for the meeting of the theme. Sorry boss; it’s not so much you, but your competition. Others nailed my intent far better, and the really creative submittals – TAC, Jingle – were pretty strong.
V-CHLORTHO – 14.5
Dear Hunter - Home 6 2 0 8
Dear Hunter – Shake Me (Awake) 4.5 2 0 6.5
I’ve been given Dear Hunter before, and was less than impressed. Way less than impressed. Granted, I think the piece I got was a part of a bigger work and so that’s always a tough proposition, but nonetheless. I like these though, especially the first song. It’s daunting, but this song kind of makes me want to dig in a little more. The “Color Spectrum” idea really sounds intriguing, and this song seems to do it justice. Some of the momentum was lost on the second song; sounded less… introspective or contemplative and more like a theme song to a hit sitcom. I can absolutely picture Courtney Cox and Matthew Perry bopping around to this, or Kevin James and Leah Remini giving those corny knowing smiles to each other as the credits roll…
Thematically, it was accurate, so you got points there, but it didn’t rise to the level of some of the others in terms of creatively going beyond the obvious.
ROMDRUMS – 15.5
Muse – Uprising (Live) 4.5 2 1 7.5
Muse – Stockholm Syndrome (Live) 5 2 1 8
Ah, Muse. If there was a banned list, they wouldn’t be on it, and I can imagine several people going “LOW HANGING FRUIT!” Well-played, complex prog-rock with a severe Queen influence, coupled with the fact that I’ve made no bones about loving Flying Colors (whose first album has about four songs with a very heavy Muse influence) and it should be a no-brainer, right? Except it’s not. I don’t know what it is, to be honest, but it doesn’t click, and “Uprising” is perhaps the best example of that. It’s well-written well-played, and yet… cold and sterile and not in a good way. Stockholm Syndrome is better, and this version in particular is excellent (though I think I had a seizure with the lights!), so it’s not all lost…
Thematically, NAILED it. Exactly what I was looking for. You got full points anyway, but I probably would have thrown in a point otherwise for the (I presume) intended comedy of the cute Latina yelling “The MYOOOOOZE!” at least twice! But this was a perfect submission in terms of the theme.
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Glad you liked Lonely Robot, I'm slowly spreading the love in roulettes :D
I know what the A side will be, not sure about the B side yet but will be sending shortly.
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PUPPIES ON ACID – 16.0
Type O Negative – Paranoid (Live) 4.5 2 1 7.5
Vertical - Memorex 5.5 2 1 8.5
Type O Negative fascinates me. I like a lot of their music – Cinammon Girl is awesome, and Black No. 1 is the best stripper song ever, bar none - but there is just as much material where Peter Steele is just way out in left field. I think his vision is just so singular that it’s hard to embrace fully. So a cover like this is probably a great compromise in that regard. I like it; sometimes his voice is grating; he has “hollow” tone to his voice that is creepy, and while I’m 99% sure that’s his intent, doesn’t mean I have to like it. Plus I don’t like the loud “breathing”. I really like the Vertical tune; another band I’ve never heard of before, but this was a good surprise. I haven’t been able to find any information about the band but the song was really good.
Thematically, I liked this; the Type O was exactly what I was shooting for, and the Memorex was a nice a little surprise. Full points!
EVERMIND – 15.5
Redemption – Memory 4.5 2 0.5 8.5
Nocturnal Rights – Still Alive 5 2 0.5 7
Hmm; the Redemption song could have been so much better. Musically it was strong, it breathed well, but I the singer hurts them. It’s the “Sons Of Apollo” problem, at least for me: Jeff is great, no question, but the musis is all mid-register. Nothing separates. And I think that over a nine minute track, you need something to latch onto. This didn’t have that. I liked the Nocturnal Rights song a lot better, and in large part because of the singer. A little too much Mark Storace, but at least there was a vocal that complemented the music and in turn elevated it. It wasn’t the best SONG on the planet, but that’s a band that I’d be interested in hearing more from; actually, I’d be willing to hear more from both, but for different reasons.
Thematically, I liked it, it fit, but I don’t think it matches some of the creativity of the others. Just a shade of obviousness, but that’s not a bad thing, necessarily.
WOLFKING – 15.0
W.A.S.P. – Wild Child (Live) 5 2 1 8
Thin Lizzy – Are You Ready (Live) 4.5 2 1 7
Friggin’ WASP. I love Blackie’s vocals, but the whole thing is just a little too schtick-y for me. I can’t figure him out; there’s an essence to Gene Simmons, there’s an essence to Ozzy, there’s even an essence to Nikki Sixx that informs their nonsense, and you can sense where they’re coming from. I never got that from Blackie and so it was hard for me to get into his stuff. It always seemed to be joke-y; later, with his concept albums and what not, you can tell there’s a lot going on with him, intellectually, but it seems so scattershot. Having said that, it’s a good tune and I liked it. Thin Lizzy is just the opposite; musically they seem so grounded and real, and certainly they influenced some of the bands that I love the most (Maiden, Priest, my favorite Motorhead album ever is the one with Brian Robertson). But I often have a hard time getting past Phil’s voice on a lot of songs. It doesn’t help that their two most popular songs do nothing for me (“Jail Break” and “The Boys Are Back In Town”). This is okay; it SOUNDS overdubbed, but who knows (the guitars seem a little far back and the vocals seem to “sit” on top in the same way that Halford’s do on “Unleashed” (where even he admits to singing that entire album from an outside porch at a studio because he was sick in Japan).
Thematically, this is exactly what I was looking for. EXACTLY. Two albums that are “live”, but with an asterisk or with questions. “Is it live? Was their work done?” Full points across the board.
SCORPION – 0.0
DNF 0 0 0 0
DNF 0 0 0 0
I wish it wasn’t so, but zeros across the board. I tried to find something metaphysical to give at least creativity points, but couldn’t even do that.
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SACUL – 14.0
Kyuss - Gardenia 6 1 0 7
Kyuss – Asteroid 6 1 0 7
I won’t lie; I was dreading this. I’ve heard a lot about Kyuss but never heard them. Heard about the “generator parties” (cool!), certainly heard the hype about Josh Homme (not impressed). But I really liked this. Most Sabbath rips only take the detuned heavy and forget the most important parts: the melody, the jazz drumming and the bass as a lead instrument. This got it, and in an interesting way. I also liked what I thought was a reprise of “Gardenia” in the middle of “Asteroid”; I’m a fan of nuggetz lie that.
Thematically, boss, I’m sorry; I just didn’t get it. I’m sorry. I even tried to come up with a metaphorical connection, and other than the ‘live” thing in the desert, I struggled and ultimately, with some of the other pretty clear creative solutions, I had to score it appropriately. But you nailed the music, and that’s the important part, right?
HOME – 16.0
Antlers – Wake 5.5 2 1 8.5
Antlers – Epilogue 4.5 2 1 7.5
Another band I’ve never heard of before. It was interesting to find out they’re a New York indie band, but that works both ways. I might have put “Antlers” in the list of bands below (you haven’t read it yet!) but I gave it a shot. The first song was a song that took time and effort to get into. First listen: “This is boring pretentious shit” (and that coming from a Yes/ELP fan!). But as I listened, I notice myself keying in on little things that weren’t at all boring; a good example is the synth patch. At first you think it’s a stock sound from GarageBand or something, but as you listen, it’s got a really interesting tone/timbre to it that makes it unique. This happened several times and raised my appreciation of the song; it’s art. Unfortunately, didn’t really happen with the second song. It actually went the other way; I liked it the first time, but it wore thin and the falsetto part really started to grate on me. At least the disconnected coda was a sort of breath of fresh air breaking the monotony, but it was too little too late.
Thematically, I liked your concept (and feel a little bad not liking the song, given the backstory, but it is what it is). I’m a sucker for that (I’ve watched about five Lifetime Channel movies just this month) so you got full points.
ELITE – 15.5
Arctic Monkeys – R U Mine? 5 1.5 0.5 7
Thrice – Come All You Weary 6.5 1.5 0.5 8.5
Hmmm. Heard a lot about the Arctic Monkeys, and sort of lumped them in with Snow Patrol and Arcade Fire and a host of other bands that seem earnest but when the music hits the speakers, are more pretentious and boring. But this was good; this was hard rock and it was interesting. I agree with your assessment, almost 100%. But it PALES in comparison with the Thrice song. That was possibly the song of the round. I loved everything about it, except it’s length. It was a short, sharp shock of earthy emotion (yes, I used that word on purpose). I loved that. It didn’t give me the impression it was trying to be anything other than what it was, a blunt, naked expression of emotion, and I loved it.
Thematically, I just didn’t get it. This might be your favorite, and so a 1.5, but I got nothing that elevates past that, and in fact, just the opposite. I gave you a half a point for a good b-side, since that’s the exact thing that you’d find on a b-side (ala “Mission From ‘Arry” or “You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)”.
LOWDZ – 15.0
Nightmare World – In Memoria Di Me 5.5 2 0.5 8
Zeno – I Feel I Live 4.5 2 0.5 7
I really liked the a-side a lot. It didn’t grab me like a couple others did, but it was a good tune. It never ceases to amaze me just how influencial Queensryche has become. I don’t know if it’s a reaction to the intra-band nonsense, but I think I’ve heard more “Queensryche” in these two rounds than all other bands combined – and we had a Kiss themed round!! None of that is a bad thing, as long as the vocals cut the mustard, because despite his dickishness, Tate is the real deal, and perhaps the best Prog-metal singer ever. This isn’t that, but it’s close, and it’s good. I couldn’t wait to hear the second song; at first I thought it was the guy that was in Cheap Trick before Robin, but it’s not, but it IS Uli Jon Roth’s brother, and that in itself is cause for interest. Great guitar playing here; really surprised I didn’t even know Uli HAD a brother let alone that he played. The problem is the opposite of the above though; the vocals just drag this down a little. Therea re 1000 guys like that on Sunset Strip in LA and to me they all just sound the same.
Thematically, this is a win, at least in terms of meeting the theme. A shade obvious in terms of the creativity, but you’re there.
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Bill, not sure if you picked up on it or noticed, but two songs by two different bands sent by two different people have the same vocalist.
What makes Are You Ready an interesting Thin Lizzy pick is that while it has been played live many many times, it does not actually appear on any album.
Southbound, from Live And Dangerous is so grotesquely studio, it's not even funny.
And two songs from UFO's Strangers In The Night are also studio songs, with crowd dubbed over.
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TAC 16.0 17.0 33.0
Nekov 16.5 16.0 32.5
Indiscipline 17.0 15.5 32.5
Home 16.0 16.0 32.0
Jingle 15.0 16.5 31.5
Romdrums 16.0 15.5 31.5
King 14.5 16.5 31.0
Lowdz 16.0 15.0 31.0
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Wolfking 15.0 15.5 30.5 -0.5
Firewings 15.0 15.0 30.0 -1.0
v-Chlorto 15.5 14.5 30.0 -1.0
Puppies 14.0 16.0 30.0 -1.0
Evermind 15.5 14.5 30.0 -1.0
Sacul 15.0 14.0 29.0 -2.0
Elite 12.5 15.5 28.0 -3.0
Scorpion 17.0 DNF 17.0 -14.0
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3 points for creativity for the next round here I come!
Sending in a few hours.
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Love the segue post. No apologies necessary... busting balls is what we do in Roulette's - to each other, and to the hosts. I too also hope that Scrop's absence is nothing serious. I am connected to him on last.fm, and he is still listening to music (at least as of yesterday morning - Bent Knee though, so there is clearly something wrong with him :lol). Hopefully he's just a little absent minded.
Second.. Stads doesn't math very well in the morning.
EVERMIND – 15.5
Redemption – Memory 4.5 2 0.5 8.5
Nocturnal Rights – Still Alive 5 2 0.5 7
WOLFKING – 15.0
W.A.S.P. – Wild Child (Live) 5 2 1 8
Thin Lizzy – Are You Ready (Live) 4.5 2 1 7
You had me up to the point that you said you liked Nocturnal Rites better... but it's a lower total?? Then I noticed you trying gyp wolfking out of a 1/2 point too. :biggrin:
You do have their points correct in the summary total chart however, so I guess that's what really counts.
As for my scores... I'll take 'em! Glad they worked. Sending Round 3 momentarily, and hoping that my b-side isn't banned.
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the antlers epilogue works better in the context of the album because it's a gloomy reprise of an earlier song and it's s o u l r e n d i n g but i very much understand it not being as strong without the rest of the album happening before it
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I don't TYPE well in the morning. I believe the spreadsheet - where the numbers for the standings came from - is accurate. I'll double check that (and while you're not looking, go in and change the entries and hope you forget about it). :) :) :)
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I'm not checking my score because this is literally the only roulette I've ever played where I don't care about how well I'm doing. :biggrin:
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Bill, not sure if you picked up on it or noticed, but two songs by two different bands sent by two different people have the same vocalist.
NO! I missed that; tell me more, because I noticed a couple singers sort of had the same vibe. Was it one of the ones where I noticed the similarities to Queensryche?
What makes Are You Ready an interesting Thin Lizzy pick is that while it has been played live many many times, it does not actually appear on any album.
Southbound, from Live And Dangerous is so grotesquely studio, it's not even funny.
I haven't heard Southbound, but the AYR has a vibe to it that was very common at that point on mid- to late-70's live albums. Kiss Alive II has it, Unleashed In The East has it - where the vocals just seem to "sit" on top of the music. I'm not saying I can tell every time a live album is dubbed, but sometimes the dubbing is better than others. I think Eddie Kramer did a great job on Kiss Alive! (if in fact it is overdubbed; it could go either way) but Alive II is CLEARLY touched up, and in fact, a handful of songs are also soundcheck tunes.
And two songs from UFO's Strangers In The Night are also studio songs, with crowd dubbed over.
I hear a lot of mixed things about that. Michael claims he was asked but refused to do any overdubs, but that doesn't mean it's untouched, since Paul Chapman was brought on during that tour and he is more than capable of doing that work. It kind of bums me out, because my favorite part of that record is side two, Mother Mary, This Kid's and Love to Love, and the first two are the studio songs.
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Sent
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I'm not checking my score because this is literally the only roulette I've ever played where I don't care about how well I'm doing. :biggrin:
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Should I be offended? :) :) :)
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I haven't heard Southbound,
Southbound-Live And Dangerous (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIzsZhQjRo4)
Listen how horribly the crowd is dubbed in at the very beginning and very end. :lol
That aside, Southbound is such a great tune. But the L&D version is really unlistenable.
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Hopefully Indiscipline isn't a DNF this round. He's been kind of scarce lately.
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Glad you liked the songs :metal and yeah I had no clue about what to send for the theme :lol . I'll try find something more appropriate for this round.
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I still don't understand the theme for round 2 lol. Need to figure out the theme for round 3. Sucks you don't like KoL, I was hoping Arizona would be up your alley.
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Sent! I feel like I nailed it creatively, so I'm probably getting 0.5/3 for that. :lol
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Well your description of the theme for round two was exactly what my thought was and I dismissed it as too obvious 😀
Shame I can’t send KISS for the round about me - in the Alive II version of Shout ItOut Loud Paul Stanley shouts “turn it up Paul Lowder” At 2.13 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘😱
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Round 3 sent.
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Shame I can’t send KISS for the round about me - in the Alive II version of Shout ItOut Loud Paul Stanley shouts “turn it up Paul Lowder” At 2.13 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘😱
:lol
You send that and I’m going to send Mr. Crowley!!
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Wait what is next round's theme? And I'm going to bomb the DLR whatever theme so badly. I'm not good at interpreting these :lol
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Well your description of the theme for round two was exactly what my thought was and I dismissed it as too obvious 😀
Shame I can’t send KISS for the round about me - in the Alive II version of Shout ItOut Loud Paul Stanley shouts “turn it up Paul Lowder” At 2.13 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘😱
Yeah, but that's so cool you might even get points anyway. :metal
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Wait what is next round's theme? And I'm going to bomb the DLR whatever theme so badly. I'm not good at interpreting these :lol
Next theme is Polka. Send him your best Polka songs.
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Stadler, PMs!!
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Bah, I thought I'd score better than that this round.
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Bah, I thought I'd score better than that this round.
Thin Lizzy, bro. Just not my thing.
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Stadler, PMs!!
A simple banned or not banned would be appreciated!!! ;D
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Stadler, PMs!!
A simple banned or not banned would be appreciated!!! ;D
I figured in keeping with the erst of the roulette I'd respond by Friday. :)
Seriously, I replied. And for everyrone else who already sent something (since a couple people asked) nothing sent so far is banned.
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I figured in keeping with the erst of the roulette I'd respond by Friday. :)
So will we get results for this round this year?? Or will we have wait until next year?
Over/Under is December 31st! ;D
Bah, I thought I'd score better than that this round.
Thin Lizzy, bro. Just not my thing.
Seriously, this is a major flaw.
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Seriously, this is a major flaw.
Thank you Tim.
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I'm genuinely stumped on this: Stadler, Class of 1985
Soooo songs from 1985? Songs from the late 70s through early 80s?? Songs from the year Stadler was born??? :justjen
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Does 'class of 85' mean final school graduation year? Sorry if that's a dumb question, we don't really use that term in Ozzie land.
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Does 'class of 85' mean final school graduation year?
Yes.
What do you guys call it?
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I almost got banned! But, above all, I almost got you pregnant!
Seriously, I'm glad you're enjoying my takes on the themes as much as I having fun with them. I'm sending tomorrow, hopefully something able to completely impregnate you this time.
Hopefully Indiscipline isn't a DNF this round. He's been kind of scarce lately.
Nevah, brother. I'm busier than Santa this time of the year, still ...
(https://i.imgur.com/kgDqwH0.gif)
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Does 'class of 85' mean final school graduation year?
Yes.
What do you guys call it?
The year of the boner.
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here's my entry for round 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1b8AhIsSYQ
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And for everyrone else who already sent something (since a couple people asked) nothing sent so far is banned.
:woot:
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Does 'class of 85' mean final school graduation year?
Yes.
What do you guys call it?
I don't know actually. :lol Probably that haha.
I don't even know why I asked that, that doesn't help at all and I still have no idea what I will send.
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I for one am having no problem comin up with ideas. And that's not a dig at anyone, that's me kissing ass.
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I need to think about this one. I'm still not sure what I'm going to send. I have a couple of ideas for what direction to go, just not sure which one to pursue.
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OK, sent. I hope those songs aren't banned.
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here's my entry for round 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1b8AhIsSYQ
HAHAHA, that got a laugh out loud.
What does it say about me that that's the first "banned" song of the roulette? (Well, technically second, but still...)
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Will send tonight, hopefully something you actually like :lol no promises I can match the theme though
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Sent!
Get ready for some deep shit! :lol
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Get ready for some deep shit! :lol
:neverusethis:
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:lol
I'm going for the feels man. THE FEELS!
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I sent 14 minutes and 15 seconds of blistering 80s speed metal. I hope Stadler listens to them with the ears of his youth and not his 2018 pair. :lol
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I sent 14 minutes and 15 seconds of blistering 80s speed metal. I hope Stadler listens to them with the ears of his youth and not his 2018 pair. :lol
I'm hitting him with a fun song and an "Anne Marie" in the feels song
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I sent 14 minutes and 15 seconds of blistering 80s speed metal. I hope Stadler listens to them with the ears of his youth and not his 2018 pair. :lol
I'm hitting him with a fun song and an "Anne Marie" in the feels song
Oooh. I bet you'll hit the theme better than me. I can't interpret them to save my life! :lol
I was legit going to send this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joDeeXeh5cg
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Yeah, you're fucked. :lol
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I was legit going to send this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joDeeXeh5cg
WTF was that??
I'm hitting him with ... an "Anne Marie" in the feels song
Ant WTF is an "Anne Marie"??
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It's not like you were in Kat's Roulette doofus.
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:rollin
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It's not like you were in Kat's Roulette doofus.
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:lol
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Does 'class of 85' mean final school graduation year?
Yes.
What do you guys call it?
The year of the boner.
:lol
I missed this post the other day. :lol
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14 hour work days are giving me no chance to really try and work out this cryptic theme. Just gonna roll with 2 1985 songs I think.
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Sent the eighties' greatest guitarist nobody knows.
Merry Christmas and a new year of joy to everybody, in case I'm missing from the boards this week.
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Sent the eighties' greatest guitarist nobody knows.
I sent a damn good 80's guitarist too. And he plays gracefully restrained on my track.
Merry Christmas and a new year of joy to everybody, in case I'm missing from the boards this week.
To you as well, brother!
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Same to you my friend!!
BTW, I did not send an 80's tune. Thematic. Let the games begin!
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Sent the eighties' greatest guitarist nobody knows.
Jay Jay French?
Merry Axemas to you as well Alex.
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I sent one pre-2000 and one post-2000 song, going purely off the song titles.
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I sent two songs from 2014...
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I sent one pre-2000 and one post-2000 song, going purely off the song titles.
Same here + the pre-2000s was released in '85 for the double whammy!
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I sent something just now
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I haven't sent yet.
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New thread discussion: Is Wolfking the new Sacul?
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:lol
Tis the busy season.
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Sent the eighties' greatest guitarist nobody knows.
Jay Jay French?
Merry Axemas to you as well Alex.
HAHA~ That got a true laugh out loud. Jay Jay French :)
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Hey, I got 11 out of 16 so far. I'm just being honest with you all: if I get the other five today or maybe tomorrow, we'll be on track (because I can hide from my family and listen for the next couple days) but if they don't come in, you won't probably see results until end of next week because of the holidays. I'm sorry, but this Christmas is an unusual one: my stepdaughter - who eloped a couple months ago with a dude that I would just as soon punch in the face as shake his hand - is back home for a couple days, my stepson - who I consider my son in just about every way and is the dad of an 18 month old - is leaving the first week of January for a six-month training run in the Army, and it's the last xmas as a high school student for my daughter. So I'm making a point to be present this year (not that I'm not usually, but you get it).
I'll do what I can, but I'd love the Sunday - Monday - Tuesday timeframe to be LISTENING. I may even arbitrarily cut it off at noon on Saturday; you're not in, you get a DNF.
Too harsh?
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Finally... I don't want to embarrass anyone or betray any confidences, but sometimes life has a way of poking you in the eye and showing you what's important, and giving you a perspective you didn't previously have. We joke here, we kid around, and while some of us are just avatars and random thoughts to each other, others of us have formed real friendships that extend out into "real life".
One of the 11 is a submission that moved me greatly, I mean almost to tears. To the point that I toyed with the idea of giving everyone else 0 + 0. I don't know that I'm going to do that - fair is fair - but I wanted to express my appreciation specifically to that person for taking it (in a positive way) to the next level; this site is by necessity about communication using words and music, and he found a way to make "communication" be "connection". Sir, if it matters to you, you touched someone today (well, yesterday, haha). And also in general for those of you that have brought some depth to the relationships here, whether to me or to others. I'm blessed, I have a full life independent of DTF with family and friends, but there are some really quality people here, that I have ZERO doubt would be (and maybe are, now) a valued part of that "real life" but for geography, age, or whatever artificial boundaries we sometimes put up in our lives.
Yeah, it's the holidays and I'm sappy. So sue me. :)
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Okay, well I know my songs pretty well and that's not me. :lol
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First post ... I think anyone who's participated in roulettes for any period of time knows that those running at this time of year tend to slow down a little. It's to be expected and understood, and need not be discussed (can you tell I have my eyes and ears on next round already? ;)).
Second post ... that's awesome. Been in that boat with music recomendations and friendships that have formed here. :hug: Can't wait to get my ears on the song that brought that post out of ya.
P.S. You really have been drinking, haven't you? :lol
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Okay, well I know my songs pretty well and that's not me. :lol
Not me either :lol
And as Jingle says, holiday season is a slow time so it's OK
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Wow, drunken Stadler post! :lol
My songs are about Rodney Dangerfield and beach parties. So I know it’s not me, unless beach parties hits the spot! :D
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My wife cries every time I play the band I sent, but Stadler seemed to like it so it probably isn't my selections.
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P.S. You really have been drinking, haven't you? :lol
Yeah, that does read like an "I LOVE you, man!" post, dunnit? Haha.
And rest easy; it's more about complementing that one than dissing anyone else. I've listened to about half of what I got so far (and thinking of an "initial impressions" post) and it's all good so far. I've even got two that I'm buying albums if I get any Xmas money (that's a joke; 51 year old men don't usually "xmas money" unless they're politicians).
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I'm getting Christmas money from my dad this year. :lol
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I spend my money however I want, whenever I want. That usually comes with a pair of testicles.
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My songs probably only made him cry because they suuuuck
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And also in general for those of you that have brought some depth to the relationships here, whether to me or to others. I'm blessed, I have a full life independent of DTF with family and friends, but there are some really quality people here, that I have ZERO doubt would be (and maybe are, now) a valued part of that "real life" but for geography, age, or whatever artificial boundaries we sometimes put up in our lives.
Amen, Brother.
if I get any Xmas money (that's a joke; 51 year old men don't usually "xmas money" unless they're politicians).
So my wife and I came to an agreement a long time ago. We are very lucky and that if we need something, we have the means to get it. Obviously I'm a huge music fan, so instead of filling the house with a bunch of junk, every holiday, like St. Val's, Easter, Anniversaries, Father's Day, etc...my wife gets me an Amazon card for buying music. It's understood that if there's a major release, like Iron Maiden or Dream Theater, I'll buy it regardless if I have a balance, but I also try and be respectful to our budget and shit.
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Sent.
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One of the 11 is a submission that moved me greatly, I mean almost to tears.
https://open.spotify.com/track/7czSDPmeqNtmU8dkGfxKup?si=oP-xO4_qTo-yo0Bpy-stMw
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Sorry everyone, work is bending me over and giving it to me hard. Its 5.30pm Saturday and just got in my car to leave (4am start) but had my slackness with this in mind all day. I can send two names of songs Stads if you can find the links yourself if not it will be Sunday night. No clue what to send so will just pick 2 songs from 2 '85 albums.
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Sent.
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Sent the eighties' greatest guitarist nobody knows.
I sent a damn good 80's guitarist too. And he plays gracefully restrained on my track.
Me too. He actually doesn't play too much on my track. :lol
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:corn
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I’m already regretting one of my tracks. Played the album earlier and thought I should have sent a different track. It rocks though 🤘🤘🤘
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:corn
Still got some popcorn left?
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Something to keep you occupied... "first impressions". I've listened a lot more since, so some of the final results aren't going to match, but this is where I was at when I first listened.
- I love Deep Purple. I love this.
- Every song I hear from them I like a little more than the one before; when do I break down and buy one of their records?
- This is what Queensryche SHOULD be doing.
- I don’t know much about this band, but they do know how to craft a song.
- There’s something to be said about sticking to what you know and do best.
- I’ve never actually HEARD the rumors that Kevin DuBrow is alive and well in Montana, but apparently they’re true!
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- This is just f*****g excellent. But when did Joe Satriani join Toto?
- I don’t know what to make of this; in five listens this is either going to be AWESOME, or, well, not.
- I feel like I’ve heard this before… a lot. Even in this roulette.
- This is what it feel s like to expect McDonald’s and get Red Robin (for those of you that don’t get the reference, this is what it’s like to expect Budweiser and get Guiness. Well, maybe Boddington’s. Let’s not get crazy.)
- How refreshing; prog metal that doesn’t sound like Queensryche! And it’s still good!
- The kind of song you hear once and sing in your head for the rest of the day. My kind of song.
- MTV is AWESOME! They play music 24-7; it’s like the radio but with pictures!
- Hmm. I can’t decide if I want Chinese or Italian. Maybe I’ll have a grinder from Subway. No, wait, Chik-fil-A. No, wait, Capital Grill…
- Never judge a book by it’s cover, especially when the cover shows a pretentious, ironic douchebag!
- Incredibly moving; I can’t even make jokes about this.
- “Dude, after hockey practice, we’re going to get a twelve pack and go down to the lake!”
- Metal when metal was still f******g metal.
- If songwriting is an art, then this is somewhere between stick figures and finger painting.
- I remember them being so much better.
- I want to like this, but it just all sounds the same.
- I don’t know if that line is meant to be sincere or ironic, but either way, it’s hard to imagine she has any idea what she’s talking about.
- This started slow, but certainly kicked into high gear.
- This is what it sounds like when someone takes something to the next level.
- This has a lot of energy, but it sounds like frustrated energy…
- This sounds like it could be so much more.
- Short, sharp, SHOCK. Metal up your ass.
- Never heard much about them before, but it’s almost exactly what I expected. Now I need to go pray.
- Good solid hard rock. The meat and potatoes of hard rock.
- I guess “instrumental integrity” isn't enough after all; just because Jeff Beck did it doesn't mean you should too!
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- This has a lot of energy, but it sounds like frustrated energy…
- This sounds like it could be so much more.
These two are mine. The rest don't really fit
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- This started slow, but certainly kicked into high gear.
- This is what it sounds like when someone takes something to the next level.
Probably these?
Also :lol at the blank ones.
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- Never judge a book by it’s cover, especially when the cover shows a pretentious, ironic douchebag!
- Incredibly moving; I can’t even make jokes about this.
- If songwriting is an art, then this is somewhere between stick figures and finger painting.
- I remember them being so much better.
- This started slow, but certainly kicked into high gear.
- This is what it sounds like when someone takes something to the next level.
I'm thinking mine is one of these :corn Probably not the last one though...
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Oh God, I have NO IDEA which one could be mine! :lol
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Oh God, I have NO IDEA which one could be mine! :lol
Neither, apparently, do Nekov, Elite or Puppies. :) :) :)
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- This is what Queensryche SHOULD be doing.
- I don’t know much about this band, but they do know how to craft a song.
- How refreshing; prog metal that doesn’t sound like Queensryche! And it’s still good!
- The kind of song you hear once and sing in your head for the rest of the day. My kind of song.
I think I can lay claim to one of these sets. I think.
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So mine is the blank one. :lol
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Mine is one of the metal ones. I hope you don't hate them.
I sent Ride the Sky by Helloween and Majesty by Blind Guardian.
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- I want to like this, but it just all sounds the same.
- I don’t know if that line is meant to be sincere or ironic, but either way, it’s hard to imagine she has any idea what she’s talking about.
Most likely this one...
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I can eliminate a lot for mine right out of the gate. There is NOTHING metal about my submissions, and assuming each line is A-side / B-side, I'd like to be able to rule out the one referencing female vocals, and remembering "them".
I'll wager next week's paycheque on this one for me:
- This is just f*****g excellent. But when did Joe Satriani join Toto?
- I don’t know what to make of this; in five listens this is either going to be AWESOME, or, well, not.
If so... keep going on the B-side Stads - it just might click!
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I have no idea which is mine, but perhaps you guys can help me out. True to the theme with the song titles, I sent:
Balance of Power - Walking on Top of the World
Evergrey - King of Errors
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scorpion
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scorpion
I figured that was pretty obvious.
In the spirit of showing our hand....
Moon Safari / Too Young To Say Goodbye
Gowan / Criminal Mind
@ Ev... could be any number of a handful. I'd like to believe it's the Deep Purple / breakdown and buy a record comment.
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I believe this is mine.
- Never judge a book by it’s cover, especially when the cover shows a pretentious, ironic douchebag!
- Incredibly moving; I can’t even make jokes about this.
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Moon Safari / Too Young To Say Goodbye
Gowan / Criminal Mind
Nice take on the theme.
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In the spirit of sharing I sent:
In the Presence of Wolves: Man of the Times (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I7p2rHaqdk)
The Panic Division: Photograph (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QdPCdbMlu8)
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I sent
Ben Folds Five - Battle Of Who Could Care Less https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y1wm7CFRCQ
The Avett Brothers - No Hard Feelings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaU2HvRhCPw
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Moon Safari / Too Young To Say Goodbye
Gowan / Criminal Mind
Nice take on the theme.
Criminal Mind had the added bonus of being released in '85.
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Oh God, I have NO IDEA which one could be mine! :lol
Neither, apparently, do Nekov, Elite or Puppies. :) :) :)
:lol
If that's not it then maybe it's the one Elite quoted. I didn't pick that one because I don't think the second song is as good as the impression implies.
Since we are at it
Bend Sinister - Teacher
Bend Sinister - Seventeen
Moon Safari / Too Young To Say Goodbye
This song is awesome. Not sure where Satriani and Toto come in though :lol
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The intro has some nice guitar licks.
:dunno:
It was more along the lines of thinking that few/none of the others seemed to fit.
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I sent Nevermore - "A Future Uncertain" and "Insignificant"
Not sure what quote applies to them but I know a few that aren't right.
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Alright:
Beardfish - Seventeen Again
Gamma Ray - It's A Sin (Pet Shop Boys Cover)
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I sent:
Alice Cooper-The Great American Success Story
Jack Starr-Let's Get Crazy Again
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I sent
Q5 Missing In Action
Mercyful Fate- A Dangerous Meeting
I think I see a couple of those quotes that could refer to mine 😀
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scorpion
I was kind of hoping that was mine and Stadler thought the songs were so good he was left speechless.... :biggrin:
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I’m thinking this is me. 😀
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So. I love roulettes, but the part where I have to tell someone a song they love or an idea they had doesn’t work is hard for me. I well and truly believe my opinion doesn’t mean crap, and that it’ more important that someone be passionate about their music than whether I agree with it or not. So the good thing is I can play “good cop” and have others play “bad cop”:
Sending songs from 1985 should net zero creativity points.
Haha. This was a good round, for the most part. I’m going to keep the write-ups brief, in large part because I’ve already written on the “theme” part. I decided to give the full one point in creativity to the submission that really hit home (plus one other that was very close), and a half a point to the ones that went beyond the obvious, and for the rest? See above. Couple songs tested my resolve, but I tried to have an open mind and find the good where I could.
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NEKOV – 16.5
Bend Sinister - Teacher 6 2 0.5 8.5
Bend Sinister - Seventeen 5.5 2 0.5 8
I love Deep Purple. I love this.
Every song I hear from them I like a little more than the one before; when do I break down and buy one of their records?
Yeah, that keyboard/drums intro to “Teacher” just screamed “Lord/Paice” to me, and while the rest cut new ground, it was a good start in my opinion. “Seventeen” didn’t really have the strong melody of “Teacher”, but it was still musically good; vocally it smacked a little too much of the Rush’s first album, which is both good and bad. This is a band I’ve heard a lot about and for a while now. A gentleman that posts here has been touting them since 2012 or so, and everything I hear I like. I think it might be time to buy into their catalogue a little bit. Thematically, you got close.
INDISCIPLINE – 14.5
Vandenberg – This Is War 4.5 2 0.5 7
Vandenberg – Waiting For The Night 5 2 0.5 7.5
If songwriting is an art, then this is somewhere between stick figures and finger painting.
I remember this being so much better.
I feel bad. “Burning Heart” was an MTV staple, and of course I’m familiar with Adje Van den Berg (if you haven’t already go out RIGHT NOW, and find “Starkers In Tokyo”, the acoustic record David Coverdale and Adrian did; it is unbelievably good). I was hoping this would be a win across the board, but unfortunately, it’s not. As I said (not about the tune, but the band itself), I just remember it being so much better. Waiting… is slightly better than the “…War”, but still. Music doesn’t HAVE to match the words; some of the best songs in the world have lyrics that are seriously ironic compared to the music (“The One I Love” by REM, “Every Breath You Take” by The Police), but having lyrics about “war” and music that might be about, oh, bubble gum, isn’t ironic, it’s just silly. All is not lost, since Adrian can play guitar like a mofo, but there’s a reason he left Bert Heerink to his own devices and joined up the Whitesnake machine. Thematically, though, I liked what you wrote about taking inspiration (funny story: my stepson threw a Halloween party a couple years ago, and one kid went as Marty McFly, and I swear to god, I wore his exact outfit to school just about every single day).
KINGSHMEGLAND - 18.5
Ben Folds Five – Battle Of Who Could Care Less 6.5 2 1 9.5
The Avett Brothers – No Hard Feelings 6 2 1 9
Never judge a book by it’s cover, especially when the cover shows a pretentious, ironic douchebag!
Incredibly moving; I can’t even make jokes about this.
Everything about Ben Folds screams “PRETENTIOUS HIPSTER DOUCHEBAG!” but I saw him on Live At Daryl’s House and my whole opinion changed. The guys the real deal, and he’s got great chops. He even asked Daryl to play a song from “Sacred Songs”, the basically forgotten album Daryl did with Robert Fripp (and forever jaded Daryl to the music business). This song was right along that line; the verses are sort of quippy, the lyrics slightly hipsterish (the Rockford Files IS cool, fucker!) but the chorus just takes this song into the stratosphere. If I didn’t know better, I’d think that McCartney himself was playing the bass on this. In terms of subject matter, that was a big part of my senior year and first year of college; knowing that I wanted more, that I didn’t want to be what we called a “townie”, but feeling conflicted about that. The second song, well, there’s not really much I can write to do it justice. That’s just a moving song that really sums it up nicely: without saying too much, I’ve had to work hard to make sure my circumstances didn’t get the better of me, and one of my biggest breakthroughs was just realizing that there just shouldn’t be any (metaphorical) hard feelings. This submission really moved me, and I am deeply thankful to King for that.
JINGLE.BOY – 15.5
Moon Safari – Too Young To Say Goodbye 5.5 2 0.5 8
Gowan – Criminal Mind 5 2 0.5 7.5
This is just f*****g excellent. But when did Joe Satriani join Toto?
I don’t know what to make of this; in five listens this is either going to be AWESOME, or, well, not.
“A Kid Called Panic” is better, but this is a good tune. I liked the vocal harmonies best; the verses were a shade too “Toto” for me (and that’s not a diss on Toto, but they are so good that sometimes the vocals seem relatively bland in comparison, and so are almost a distraction). Moon Safari is another band I might start digging into. I like what I hear. You dodged a bullet with the b-side. I should have hated this, since my big hurdle with Styx is the Broadway-esque nature of a lot of the latter-day DeYoung material, and this seems, in hindsight, like Laurence’s audition tape! (I swear, I didn’t find out until AFTER I wrote that that he did in fact use that song as part of his audition with Styx!) But it’s an interesting song. I can’t honestly say I had designs of being a lawyer when I graduated high school (doctor, actually) I get the idea and understand what you were going for.
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TAC – 15.0
Alice Cooper – The Great American Success Story 5 2 0.5 7.5
Jack Starr – Let’s Get Crazy Again 5 2 0.5 7.5
There’s something to be said about sticking to what you know and do best.
I’ve never actually HEARD the rumors that Kevin DuBrow is alive and well in Montana, but apparently they’re true!
Stand by my statement on Alice; the guy is hard to knock because he’s so consistent and so consistently good, even if he isn’t pushing the envelope in any meaningful way. This song was good, but it’s hard for me personally to get into the shinier Alice, when I’ve taken to the Ezrin/ACB years so much. He’s sort of a victim of his own, great American success. It amazes me that I’ve never heard of Jack Starr. That was right about the time I was big into the metal scene, reading Kerrang! and keeping up with Mike Varney’s nonsense, but no dice. I liked the song a lot; it was catchy and certainly had a positive vibe. I’m not intimately familiar with Rhett Forrester, but was struck by the similarity to DuBrow (who I like). Thematically, like those before, generally got it.
FIREWINGS/KATTLEOX – 13.5
Blind Guardian - Majesty 5 1 0.5 6.5
Helloween – Walls of Jericho/Ride The Sky 5.5 1 0.5 7
“Dude, after hockey practice, we’re going to get a twelve pack and go down to the lake!”
Metal when metal was still f******g metal.
Haha, I loved these songs, even if the score doesn’t really reflect that. When I was in high school I was in a band with my then best friend. I was into Schenker and Blackmore (even Rainbow) and he loved the more “hard core” metal. Accept. Heaven. I don’t remember “Blind Guardian” but he would have loved this. I lost touch with him when I went to college (listen to the Ben Folds song and you get the general idea). I went on to be a lawyer, last I heard he was working as a house painter and dealing weed (not that those are bad things, but…) Helloween was on the list though; I remember a video that was just so over the top it was insane; it was like Iron Maiden on steroids, which, at the time, was saying something. I like Michael Kiske (I know he’s not on this, but TAC sent me a solo song of his that just blew me away) but this is a little too cartoony for me. I liked the goofy intros from both songs (the Danube waltz and London Bridge). These songs are better as evocative of a time and place than they are specifically as songs. Thematically, not really sure where you were going (as you readily admit). I’ll give you something for the evocation, but let’s just say, I hope you feel better soon. You’re sort of a victim of your competition.
V-CHLORTHO – 16.0
Nevermore – A Future Uncertain 5.5 2 0.5 8
Nevermore - Insignificant 5.5 2 0.5 8
This is what Queensryche SHOULD be doing.
I don’t know much about this band, but they do know how to craft a song.
Ironic that I wrote the “Queensryche” comment, and Nevermore was borne out of the grunge explosion in Seattle. Heavier than QR, and without the vocal excellence, but I feel like the songs have more… substance for lack of a better word. I just seemed to like this more than what I’ve heard post-Empire from that other band. Thematically, I liked this, especially the second song; that seemed to capture a lot of the feelings I had when I was leaving high school and going to a huge (relatively) state university.
ROMDRUMS – 17.0
In The Presence of Wolves – Man Of The Times 6.5 2 0.5 9
The Panic Division – Photograph 5.5 2 0.5 8
How refreshing; prog metal that doesn’t sound like Queensryche! And it’s still good!
The kind of song you hear once and sing in your head for the rest of the day. My kind of song.
That …Wolves song really grew on me a LOT. I loved that. I loved the singing; at times I was like “He sounds like…” and I couldn’t place it, but then I’d think, “no, he really doesn’t sound like anyone”, which is a rare feat in music today. The song was 8:00 and yet, like the best prog, felt like it was exactly the right length. I really liked the soloing in the end too; impressive while still being a necessary part of the song. There were a couple songs in this round that really took me back; I listened to a lot of the songs here in the shower, and I think my water bill is going to be outrageous, because I found myself hearing a tune and just having my mind wander. This was one of those songs. This chorus was just a perfect slice of what, at the time, felt like cutting edge music of the mid-80’s (think “Ultravox”). Nice job.
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I'm bombing this roulette so well. What's the next theme so I can poorly interpret it? :rollin
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PUPPIES ON ACID – 15.0
Klimt 1918 – Snow of ‘85 5.5 2 0.5 8
Haken – 1985 5 2 0 7
MTV is AWESOME! They play music 24-7; it’s like the radio but with pictures!
Hmm. I can’t decide if I want Chinese or Italian. Maybe I’ll have a grinder from Subway. No, wait, Chik-fil-A. No, wait, Capital Grill…
Much like the Panic Division song above, this first song is SO evocative of a time. It doesn’t have the epic chorus, but – and I found this out after when researching the band – the Cure and Bauhaus influences were obvious, and for me, that was the music that MTV exposed me to. I wouldn’t know one band outside the NWOBHM if it wasn’t for MTV (which is why that reference in the first impression). As for Haken… I’ve heard so much about them, and I saw them live as “Shattered Fortress” but nothing about them seemed to say to me “LISTEN TO MY MUSIC!” So I went into this not quite knowing what to expect. I still don’t, really. That keyboard figure around 1:30 or so was cool, but the vocals just ruined the vibe for me. Not that they are bad, but they are sort of reedy for the sound. The bridge was better, but it never seemed to elevate, then it sort of schizophrenically went into that chugging, E-string rhythm, then back to that reedy vocal… I could never shake the idea that it was trying to be all things and not really succeeding at any of them. Not a bad song, but, as I said, “elevation”.
EVERMIND – 17.0
Balance of Power –Walking On Top Of The World 5 2 1 8
Evergrey – King Of Errors 6 2 1 9
I feel like I’ve heard this before… a lot. Even in this roulette.
This is what it feel s like to expect McDonald’s and get Red Robin (for those of you that don’t get the reference, this is what it’s like to expect Budweiser and get Guiness. Well, maybe Boddington’s. Let’s not get crazy.)
I cannot believe how many times I’ve had to mention “Queensryche” in this roulette. There just seems to be so much music that is evocative of them; I don’t know if that means QR was ahead of their time, or it’s all a cliché, but I give the nod to that which came first, and so a lot of this suffers for the comparison (hint: moving forward, that might want to be a consideration in people’s song choices!). I really like the second song a lot. It was interesting and was one of the few songs in the round that didn’t immediately evoke someone else. I expected the worst – black and white Christ imagery! – but it was more than that and I really liked it a lot. Good mix of strong vocals and evocative musicianship (that solo kicked ASS!). I also gave you full marks on creativity; you weren’t the guy who hit close to home, but mother of god you were close, especially about the looking back and wondering “how the FUCK did I make it here?” Nice job, and thank you for putting in the effort. It means a lot to me.
WOLFKING – 13.5
Magnum – On A Storyteller’s Night 5 2 0 7
Gary Moore – Listen To Your Heartbeat 4.5 2 0 6.5
Good solid hard rock. The meat and potatoes of hard rock.
Don’t tell me that “instrumental integrity” is enough; almost EVERY great player has one of these in their closet (where it should stay).
I can’t tell you how many issues of Kerrang! I read with mentions of “Magnum” – usually as an opening act for a UK tour for bands I liked (Whitesnake, Def Leppard) but I never heard a note of their music, until this roulette. Not bad; certainly nothing that will make me run out and buy the catalogue, but better than it should have been (and better than some bands that I had shoved down my throat in the ‘80’s). I went back and forth on the Gary Moore song about six times. Part of me understands; you have to pay the bills. Jeff Beck had “Flash”. Clapton put out two records with Phil Collins (though they are very good records). Yngwie had “Odyssey. Blackmore had Joe Lynn Turner. But while the solo was excellent, I have to believe there are better songs to show the cross-over. This is “Is This Love?” when there is “Here I Go Again” on the same album. Or “Since You Been Gone” when there’s “All Night Long”. I don’t know what else to say.
SCORPION – 0.0
DNF 0 0 0 0
DNF 0 0 0 0
<How do you italicize nothing?>
I wish it wasn’t so, but zeros across the board. I tried to find something metaphysical to give at least creativity points, but couldn’t even do that.
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SACUL – 14.0
Talk Talk – Life’s What You Make It 5 2 0 7
Talk Talk – Living In Another World 5 2 0 7
This has a lot of energy, but it sounds like frustrated energy…
This sounds like it could be so much more.
Haha, not sure what this says about me, but I was confused at first: Talk Talk? The band with Robbie Williams? (that’s Take That). Or Francis Dunnery? (that’s It Bites). No, it’s the guy who worked with Thomas Dolby and the Catherine Wheel. I felt like this first song was a Dsus2 chord that never resolve to a D. As I wrote, there’s an energy here, but it seems frustrated; musical “blue balls” of sorts. The second wasn’t better in that regard; in some ways it was worse. I liked the instrumentation, but the vocals just brought a level of friction that was never really answered. Are these songs better understood in the context of an album? Thematically, other than the “1985”, I didn’t really get it; I suppose there was some allegory in the titles “Life’s What You Make It” and “Living In Another World” but again, you might be a victim of that which came before.
HOME – 14.0
Lorde – Team 4.5 2 0.5 7
Lorde – Ribs 4.5 2 0.5 7
I want to like this, but it just all sounds the same.
I don’t know if that line is meant to be sincere or ironic, but either way, it’s hard to imagine she has any idea what she’s talking about.
My wife and I have a running joke: we watch TV and I invariably say “I fucking hate kids.” And what I mean is not children, but those precocious kids that you see that are 8, 10, 12, but act like they’re 35. “Home Alone” is one of the worst movies ever made for that very reason. And I sometimes think that way about artists like Lorde; there’s a sort of dichotomy between the lyrics and the life that’s hard to reconcile. I know for me, I felt a lot of what she sings about, but I was in no way, shape or form in any position to articulate that. And further, I realized later, much later, that I had the general idea at 22, but I had no concept whatsoever about the magnitude and scope that those ideas could take. These songs are also a victim of their environment; I sort of think that in some ways, Ben Folds is singing about Lorde, or at least the idea of “Lorde”.
I wrote this last time, and honestly, it still holds: “Thematically, I liked your concept (and feel a little bad not liking the song, given the backstory, but it is what it is).” I liked the thought you put into it, and for that, I thank you.
ELITE – 14.5
Beardfish – 17 Again 6 1 0.5 7.5
Gamma Ray – It’s A Sin 5.5 1 0.5 7
This started slow, but certainly kicked into high gear.
This is what it sounds like when someone takes something to the next level.
Hmmm. I’ve not heard any Beardfish before (they were supposed to be on the tour with DT in 2008, but pulled out) and at first I was like “WTF, Elite, you’re killing me!” But I kept listening, and that last 2, 2:30 might be the best 2:30 in the roulette. That was everything I LOVE about Yes, one of my favorite bands ever. I’m familiar with the original “It’s A Sin” – and I like it (big fan of Neil Tennant’s vocals) – but I think the Gamma Ray version just elevates that in almost every way. It’s not worlds apart, it’s just a bit more… substantive (or maybe the word is “less of its time”). Thematically, I just didn’t get it. I understand there are circumstances here, so I tried to give what I could, but other than “17” in the title of the instrumental, I didn’t see that; and I gave you a half-point for creativity for hinting at a band that was pretty darn big back in the day and informed a lot of what I like about music today (even if I’m not the hugest Pet Shop Boys fan).
LOWDZ – 14.5
Q5 – Missing In Action 6 2 0 8
Mercyful Fate – A Dangerous Meeting 4.5 2 0 6.5
Short, sharp, SHOCK. Metal up your ass.
Never heard much about them before, but it’s almost exactly what I expected. Now I need to go pray.
Nice call with the first song; I really dug that. No frills, straight ahead metal. Starring Floyd Rose. THE Floyd Rose. Sorry, Floyd D. Rose. Haha, in any event, that was good. The singer kind of was a cross between Vince Neil (in a good way) and Blackie Lawless (in a good way) but it all fit in nicely. That was good. Can’t really say the same about Mercyful Fate. Pretty derivative – I’m a going to guess they listened to “Sin After Sin” by Priest a couple times – and the falsetto wears thin with me pretty quick. Not the worst song ever, but not on part with the first song or some of the other metal in this round. Thematically, on the mark with no frills, add-ons or upgrades.
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Did I miss the theme for the next round. I looked back at the last few pages, but didn't see one.....
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King 14.5 16.5 18.5 49.5
Nekov 16.5 16.0 16.5 49.0
Romdrums 16.0 15.5 17.0 48.5
TAC 16.0 17.0 15.0 48.0
Indiscipline 17.0 15.5 14.5 47.0
Jingle 15.0 16.5 15.5 47.0
Evermind 15.5 14.5 17.0 47.0
Home 16.0 16.0 14.0 46.0
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v-Chlortho 15.5 14.5 16.0 46.0
Lowdz 16.0 15.0 14.5 45.5
Puppies 14.0 16.0 15.0 45.0
Wolfking 15.0 15.5 13.5 44.0
Firewings 15.0 15.0 13.5 43.5
Sacul 15.0 14.0 14.0 43.0
Elite 12.5 15.5 14.5 42.5
Scorpion 17.0 0.0 0.0 17.0
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Next two rounds theme:
- The Red Rocker or Diamond Dave?
- YOU! Give me two songs about YOU. One that maybe tells us something we don’t know, and maybe one that tells us how you think others might see you. (Spoiler alert: I have heard the songs “I Am A Viking” by Yngwie, and “My Love Is Like A Tire Iron” by Ted Nugent.)
I have something sort of specific in mind for the first one, but as usual, your creativity is what counts. Pace should pick up from here on out since the holidays are essentially over.
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Glad you enjoyed the Q5. Mercyful Fate was a risk as King is a love or hate thing. I’m happy with the score as I was worried that MF would fall very flat. The Priest-isms are strong though.
Really struggling for the next round though 😬
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I imagined Bend Sinister was up your alley, they do this old school rock with some modern elements and sounds that is pretty great. I have absolutely no idea what I will do with the next theme, not sure where to even begin.
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I'll take that score. I'll admit, I completely forgot about sampling some songs/ideas over the past few days. Guess I know what I have to do tomorrow morning! Got a couple from these scores that I needs to sample.
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Kade…..Listen To Your Heartbeat? Really?
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I'll take that score with Nevermore. They seem to be a love/hate type band. I'm glad you liked them.
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Sent, I hope it doesn't get rejected :corn
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Kade…..Listen To Your Heartbeat? Really?
Haha, I know. Regretted it as soon as I sent it. I like it though and took a punt and backfired.
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Damn, I was hoping to send Magnum at some point, and I thought Gary Moore would be banned. You didn’t exactly sell GM there Kade😀
Stadler, give Storyteller’s Night and Wings of Heaven by Magnum a listen. Both great albums. If you don’t like those, Magnum isn’t for you.
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Damn, I was hoping to send Magnum at some point, and I thought Gary Moore would be banned. You didn’t exactly sell GM there Kade😀
haha, the burn continues. I know know, I like it though, what can I say.
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So, Stadler - what did you have in mind for the theme? Just curious. Because I likely would have assumed you were looking for songs released in 1985, and clearly I'd have been wrong.
Btw - I would encourage you not to get so hung up on the Queensryche thing. They were indeed hugely influential and a straight up clone wouldn't work for me so much either... But there are a lot of great bands who probably sound a little like Queensryche. Or a little like Rush, etc. They're still probably worth your time exploring.
(And if you want totally original - I sent you Leprous in your last roulette. They didn't fare so well but it was one song. Maybe something else will catch your ear, and they won't remind you of QR. :P)
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I went with his mindset in 1985 to where he is today. I read his posts. Got to know him personally and tied in some to fit my theme with my knowledge of his life.
I went for it. It's not linear.
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Some of these I have very specific ideas (like the current one) and some I don't. To be honest, themes are hard when there is a creativity element to it, since some are just so - like King says - "linear". I didn't really have anything in mind with "1985" - actually, the high school was what I was thinking about more - and I just wanted to see what people had to offer. I just love that I'm getting stuff that I have never heard before and would likely never seek out on my own.
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I simply did not want to send songs from 1985. If so, I would've sent a couple tracks from Misdemeanor. I still almost sent one.
I wanted to send Let's Get Crazy Again though. To me, that will always be my "go to" high school party tune. Sometimes, it's less about winning, and more about sharing.
While I was hoping to send some Alice Cooper at some point in this roulette, I wouldn't have thought of ever sending something from Constrictor. But given the theme, I liked the Back To School connection.
Some of these I have very specific ideas (like the current one) and some I don't.
I'd be interested as to what specifically you were thinking about the DLR/Sammy round.
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Sent!
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Sent
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Damn, I was hoping to send Magnum at some point, and I thought Gary Moore would be banned. You didn’t exactly sell GM there Kade😀
haha, the burn continues. I know know, I like it though, what can I say.
It’s not a terrible song by any means.
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Sent. Just hoping I picked the right songs
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Sent!
And I'm alive!
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Sent!
And I'm alive!
IT LIVES!!! :hefdaddy
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I sent two good songs.
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Sent.
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I understand your comment, but am curious about which line you are talking :biggrin:
And I sometimes think that way about artists like Lorde; there’s a sort of dichotomy between the lyrics and the life that’s hard to reconcile.
She still has more experience in what she's singing about than bands like Iron Maiden singing about war :p
Will try to send today!
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I understand your comment, but am curious about which line you are talking :biggrin:
And I sometimes think that way about artists like Lorde; there’s a sort of dichotomy between the lyrics and the life that’s hard to reconcile.
She still has more experience in what she's singing about than bands like Iron Maiden singing about war :p
HAHA, that is a GREAT point. I can't argue that even one little bit! :)
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Hey Stadler, between songs for this roulette, go check my thread and send me yours :hat
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Hey Stadler, between songs for this roulette, go check my thread and send me yours :hat
Subtle ;)
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Looking for... Romdrums, Wolfking, Sacul, Scorpion, Home, and Elite.
Couple songs I'm really looking forward to digging into (and I'm going to start listening today regardless of whether the full slate is in).
Funny enough, the idea I had in my head no one (to date) has even hinted at.
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They both hate Eddie! AMIRITE?! LOL
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Will send this weekend. Super busy with EOY business and a family trip.
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I haven't listened to anything either of both the guys on the theme have done so I'll just send something :metal
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Will send something completely fucking random in about an hour.
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Funny enough, the idea I had in my head no one (to date) has even hinted at.
2 songs with Red or Diamond in the title?
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I wonder if I can send the same song twice.
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Just threw this thing and sent the same song twice. Not even mad.
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Yeah, no reason to be mad. :lol
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Funny enough, the idea I had in my head no one (to date) has even hinted at.
2 songs with Red or Diamond in the title?
My original idea was to send something by Willie Nelson and something by King Diamond/Mercyful Fate.
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I think he got Mercyful Fate last round.
My first idea was to find a musician that played with both of them, but I couldn't.
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I think he got Mercyful Fate last round.
My first idea was to find a musician that played with both of them, but I couldn't.
Should have sent Beat It and that LL Cool J song that Eddie Van Halen played on.... :lol
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Funny enough, the idea I had in my head no one (to date) has even hinted at.
Will you tell WTF you were looking for? 'cause I can't believe I hadn't even hinted at it with mine, I thought I was spot on! You're so cryptic :lol
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Funny enough, the idea I had in my head no one (to date) has even hinted at.
Will you tell WTF you were looking for? 'cause I can't believe I hadn't even hinted at it with mine, I thought I was spot on! You're so cryptic :lol
Ditto... though I made my submissions in a slightly different lens. My thought was that he wanted one band that had two different singers (or guitarists or drummers or ...).
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Funny enough, the idea I had in my head no one (to date) has even hinted at.
Will you tell WTF you were looking for? 'cause I can't believe I hadn't even hinted at it with mine, I thought I was spot on! You're so cryptic :lol
Ditto... though I made my submissions in a slightly different lens. My thought was that he wanted one band that had two different singers (or guitarists or drummers or ...).
Yep, I sent Kamelot.
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I sent something, with some delay due to bad real life circumstances.
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Funny enough, the idea I had in my head no one (to date) has even hinted at.
Will you tell WTF you were looking for? 'cause I can't believe I hadn't even hinted at it with mine, I thought I was spot on! You're so cryptic :lol
Ditto... though I made my submissions in a slightly different lens. My thought was that he wanted one band that had two different singers (or guitarists or drummers or ...).
Yep, I sent Kamelot.
I'd considered something around Roy/Tommy.
@Elite... hopefully nothing too serious?
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Unfortunately, yes, something serious, but not something unexpected. I don’t really wish to go in detail here, but thank you for asking :)
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I also thought it was one band, two singers and considered Kamelot as well. I chose Angra in the eleventh hour.
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I also thought it was one band, two singers and considered Kamelot as well. I chose Angra in the eleventh hour.
Oohhh... that's a good choice too - 3 eras to choose from!
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I also thought it was one band, two singers and considered Kamelot as well. I chose Angra in the eleventh hour.
Oohhh... that's a good choice too - 3 eras to choose from!
I sent Silent Call and Always More, for a few reasons: I know Stads wouldn't dig Andre or Edu whatsoever, and after just sending heavy metal and reading his thoughts on the super fast shred stuff, I decided to reel it in a bit.
I spent 2 hours debating Toto songs though before saying screw it and picking those in 10 minutes. :lol
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Sent.
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Unfortunately, yes, something serious, but not something unexpected. I don’t really wish to go in detail here, but thank you for asking :)
All the best mate.
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Hey, can you all do me a Flavor Flav? Everyone in the roulette send to LETHEAN (by PM) who you prefer: Diamond David Lee Roth, or Sammy Hagar. All you need to say is "Roth" or "Hagar", since any explanation will be lost (Lethean is doing nothing more than data collection).
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Wait, but you forgot the part where I get to score this round too.
I already have the results: Kattelox wins.
Next round.
;)
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Something smells fishy :P
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FYI: Your call on "singer" or "era". Whatever is more important to you. I guess a better way of asking it is: if you had to put on ten songs right now, only one singer/era, and I walked in the room halfway through, who would be singing?
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if you had to put on ten songs right now, only one singer/era, and I walked in the room halfway through, who would be singing?
Ronnie James Dio, probably.
I don't really listen to Van Halen. :)
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Wait, but you forgot the part where I get to score this round too.
I already have the results: Kattelox wins.
Next round.
;)
You're damn right!! :lol
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if you had to put on ten songs right now, only one singer/era, and I walked in the room halfway through, who would be singing?
Ronnie James Dio, probably.
I don't really listen to Van Halen. :)
I don't either, but pick one anyway and send it to me. :P
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if you had to put on ten songs right now, only one singer/era, and I walked in the room halfway through, who would be singing?
Ronnie James Dio, probably.
I don't really listen to Van Halen. :)
I don't either, but pick one anyway and send it to me. :P
I sent you a pick this morning I think......cant remember that far back :corn
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if you had to put on ten songs right now, only one singer/era, and I walked in the room halfway through, who would be singing?
Ronnie James Dio, probably.
I don't really listen to Van Halen. :)
I don't either, but pick one anyway and send it to me. :P
I sent you a pick this morning I think......cant remember that far back :corn
Yes you did. I have about half of the responses.
You probably don't remember because you're so engrossed in finishing your writeups tonight.. :)
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Surely Stadler is, too. :corn
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if you had to put on ten songs right now, only one singer/era, and I walked in the room halfway through, who would be singing?
Ronnie James Dio, probably.
I don't really listen to Van Halen. :)
I don't either, but pick one anyway and send it to me. :P
I sent you a pick this morning I think......cant remember that far back :corn
Yes you did. I have about half of the responses.
You probably don't remember because you're so engrossed in starting your writeups tonight.. :)
Fixed that for you :biggrin:
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Stadler, clear your damn inbox. Trying to send for the next round!!
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Stadler??
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I deleted some things; is it still showing "full"?
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It went through!
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It went through!
That's what she said!
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I have no idea what to send next round.
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I have no idea what to send next round.
Paul McCartney - I don't know
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Setting a deadline of today, 4 pm Eastern Standard Time to respond to Lethean. Arbitrary, yep, but I'd like to at least get into the Championship Round by the time my kid graduates high school, so we have to stick to the schedule. :)
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Setting a deadline of today, 4 pm Eastern Standard Time to respond to Lethean. Arbitrary, yep, but I'd like to at least get into the Championship Round by the time my kid graduates high school, so we have to stick to the schedule. :)
So now that it's 4:15, resultz when?
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Would it help if some of us got out and pushed?
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Thanks for volunteering ;D
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Would it help if some of us got out and pushed?
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Since Stadler hasn't posted yet, anyone who hasn't sent me an answer yet can still send it.
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Would it help if some of us got out and pushed?
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Would it help if some of us got out and pushed?
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Jesus, I'm very likely gonna have mine up before you two do :lol
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Give them :metal
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Jesus, I'm very likely gonna have mine up before you two do :lol
Got my first batch up :corn
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Jesus, I'm very likely gonna have mine up before you two do :lol
Got my first batch up :corn
Yeah, and you did a great job with it too!!
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Take your time Stadler. I still got nothin’ for the next round 😀
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I'm trying guys; I intended to have them today, but work sucked the last two days. Still trying for today, Monday the LATEST. There will be a little surprise with them as well (for some of you).
Start planning for your next round.
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Start planning for your next round.
I already sent! ;D
How about the next round?
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I'm trying guys; I intended to have them today, but work sucked the last two days. Still trying for today, Monday the LATEST. There will be a little surprise with them as well (for some of you).
Start planning for your next round.
Is the surprise, getting cut?
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I'm trying guys; I intended to have them today, but work sucked the last two days. Still trying for today, Monday the LATEST. There will be a little surprise with them as well (for some of you).
Start planning for your next round.
What do you do for a job Stadler? Clearing up after Trump? 😀😀😀😀
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I'm trying guys; I intended to have them today, but work sucked the last two days. Still trying for today, Monday the LATEST. There will be a little surprise with them as well (for some of you).
Start planning for your next round.
What do you do for a job Stadler? Clearing up after Trump?
Might as well be; I'm counsel for a company that sells trains and train control equipment (when you're standing on the platform, and it says "Your Train" is coming in five minutes, all the technology that delivers that info is from my company). As you can imagine, we have software/hardware that is considered "safety vital" and we had an incident in the Midwest right before Christmas, so things are busier than they should be at this time of year.
We're close, I promise.
No one is getting cut this round. Next round is the last before the "Championship Rounds".
Oh, and those that didn't send their preferences to Lethean, last chance. Take advantage of the delays!
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Take advantage of the delays!
Just like the trains your software manages! :neverusethis:
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Take advantage of the delays!
Just like the trains your software manages! :neverusethis:
Oh snap!!! :)
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So… controversy, I think. I had in mind something very singular, and while it was very specific, I thought SOMEONE would get it, and that having someone step up would create some separation going into the final open field race. DLR vs. Sammy. I was sort of thinking Airheads (“Okay, lemme ask you a question: who's side did you take in the big David Lee Roth-Van Halen split? Who's side did you take: Halen or Roth?” Other guy: “Van Halen” Group: “HE'S A COP!”) There’s not a song I can name with Dave or Sam actually singing that I could accept, so I thought I’d try to determine who YOU’D pick by your submittals of other songs/artists. None of you alluded to that, or made it easy, or even said your preference! SO, and here’s the controversy, I’m going to basically give all of you “2” on the meeting the theme – all sort of variations on the two singers, same band idea – and, with I think three exceptions that were just way outside the box (and I want to continue to reward that even if it’s not exactly on point) the “creativity” point is going to be zero, and there will be bonus points awarded: you all were given the chance to send Lethean your choice of Sam or Dave; if I guess it right, you get the bonus point. If you didn’t, or didn’t reply, nope.
Generally some really good songs here; most of you sent either the same band or same singer for both songs, so just by human nature there's a lot of 6/5, 6/4, etc. because it's logical to compare the two. I didn't shy away from that at all.
For the record, Stadler says “Diamond Dave”, and Stadler says “Diamond Dave”.
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NEKOV – 16.0
Von Hertzen Brothers – Somewhere In The Middle 6 2 0.5 8.5
Von Hertzen Brothers – Always Been Right 5 2 0.5 7.5
Stadler said “I have no idea, but I’ll guess Dave” and Nekov said ”Sammy”.
Yeah, I do appreciate your lateral thinking. I liked that. I also LOVED the first song. That’s a really good tune and I found myself going back to it a lot. The second wasn’t as strong, though as much as I try to “keep it about the music”, I have to say, you got “bleed through” because the video was so funny!. Of all the submissions, yours is the one where the “Sammy/Dave” guess is most purely that, since there are almost zero elements of either in the music. I went back and forth between “the song” (Sammy) and the pure comedy of the video (Dave) and while I was at “Sammy” for most of the review, I switched to Dave at the last minute, incorrectly as it turned out.
INDISCIPLINE – 17.0
Andrew Strong – Hard To Handle 5 2 0.5 (+1) 8.5
Dave Meniketti – It’s Over 5 2 0.5 (+1) 8.5
Stadler said “Sammy”, Indiscipline said “Sammy”.
I feel bad again. This is why I’m not cut out for roulettes. You were probably the most creative of all the submissions, by far, but… I’m not the hugest fan of the blue eyed soul singer, and plus the song was ruined for me by the Black Crowes. It got higher than it probably should have simply because I respect a good performance and of course, everything David Gilmour touches is gold. I’m a moderate fan of Y&T, and I know Dave Meniketti is the guy; I liked this but again, the sort of metal guy who’s a closet blues freak is sort of lost on me. I know I’m not being fair, here, but I call it the “Joe Perry Syndrome”; he’s gold in Aerosmith, and has written some of the greatest riffs in rock history. But while he’s great and certainly owes no one anything, he’s clearly better with Steven singing his hyper-sexual gobbly-gook over the riffs. When Joe steps out for his “blues workouts” (they used to play “Red House” live as his solo spot) you can’t really get more cliché than that. I know this isn’t about Joe Fuckin’ Perry, but it’s the same idea and so I see it through the same lenses. Unfortunately.
KINGSHMEGLAND - 15.5
I Mother Earth – Like A Girl 5 2 0 7
I Mother Earth – Hell & Malfunction 6.5 2 0 8.5
Stadler says “Sammy”, King said…
I’ve heard Edwin before, with Alex and to be honest there wasn’t a lot to encourage me to dig in further. I didn’t dislike the album, but there’s a quality about his voice that doesn’t move me. It’s the same hurdle I had to get over with Devin Townsend, in a way. But this song is pretty good. I like it, not love it. But then… the rule has been so far that the second singer is either a let down or a jarring change of pace. This was the opposite. I LOVED that second song. The song was good, to start, and the performance just delivered. Everything about it was just in synch. That was really good, and I might even add that to the list of “Go investigate!” Nice job!
JINGLE.BOY – 18.0
Sieges Even – Sequence VIII 6 2 0.5 (+1) 9.5
Subsignal – Feeding Utopia 5 2 0.5 (+1) 8.5
Stadler said “Sammy”; Jingle said “Sammy”.
So I essentially got four songs from the same act, more or less. Two Sieges Even songs from Puppies and two – one Sieges Even one Subsignal - from you. It took me a lot to reconcile but once I figured out who was singing on what, it became pretty clear, and to your advantage. I like Arno, and while I didn’t get a vibe of “different singer” there seemed to me to be a difference of approach from the two, which is very Van Halen-esque. The Subsignal seemed to be “Rainbow” to Seiges Even’s “Deep Purple”; that is to say, a little glossier. I liked the music a lot and the Subsignal really grew on me over a couple listens. I think I’m going to dig in a little on the Arno material. I like his voice, and it complements the music very well. These are SONGS.
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TAC – 18.0
Waysted – Heaven Tonight 6.5 2 1 9.5
Waysted – Heroes Die Young 5.5 2 1 8.5
Stadler said “Diamond Dave”, TAC said ”Diamond Dave”.
I have a theory; it’s all about the song. I think James LaBrie is the voice of DT, and DT wouldn’t be what they are without him, but his solo albums don’t really stand up for me, because he doesn’t have Petrucci or Rudess composing for him. Jeff Beck isn’t the name that Jim Page is (even though they are almost identical in terms of talent and origins) because Beck doesn’t have the compositional capabilities that Page does. I could go on. I’m fairly new to UFO, and except for the Michael Schenker stuff, I have almost zero exposure to any of the solo stuff by the members. So what a pleasant surprise to hear Heaven Tonight; the singer even has a Phil Mogg quality to his voice, and with Paul Chapman, well, the circle is complete. I loved that song. The second was was pretty good (I’m familiar with Danny Vaughn’s story if not his music), and was a good tune, but it didn’t have the magic that the first one did. This is almost as good an example of the “style/emotion vs. technical ability” debate as Dave and Sam.
FIREWINGS/KATTLEOX – 15.0
Angra – Silent Call 5.5 2 0 7.5
Angra – Always More 5.5 2 0 7.5
Stadler said “Sammy”, Kattelox said “Diamond Dave”.
Good tunes. Solid. I can’t say “song of the round”, or that I’m going to run out and buy the catalogue, but it was good and solid. I got a real Floyd vibe from the second song, and done right (usually it’s not) that’s a win. I don’t really have much to say here, and that’s not a knock, just a reflection of the straightforwardness of the music and the performances. Good solid music, and so not much more to say. As for the guess, another last minute switcheroo; I take you for a Dave fan, but the songwriting and performance here suggests Sammy more so that’s where I went, again, incorrectly.
V-CHLORTHO – 17.5
Iced Earth – Dracula 6 2 1 9
Iced Earth – High Water Mark 5.5 2 1 8.5
Stadler said “Diamond Dave”, v_Clorto said “Diamond Dave”.
I suppose as a Yes or Deep Purple fan I can’t complain about members coming and going, but in my defense, I got into both bands with their second, most iconic lineups, and had some scruples with when and with who I stuck around (not a fan of the post-Squire and Bolin years, respectively. But it seems to me that Iced Earth is one of those bands that’s hard to follow, lineup wise, and other than Richard Christy, I’m not that interested in that kind of music to really invest. So I’m grateful for submissions like this. Both songs slayed. I loved Dracula, and the idea of the album is clever (reminds me of I think it was Star One a little bit). Matt Barlow has a sort of Paul Stanley vibe going on (back when he could sing) and so that song really resonated with me. At first I listened to High Water Mark, and thought it had a real Priest vibe… well it should! It’s Ripper! I’m not the hugest fan of Owens; I mean, he can sing, but why not listen to the real Rob Halford? But here, he sings in enough different voices that it’s really interesting and good, and really the only “Priest!” moment is well into the song, and has as much to do with the twin guitars as any of the vocals. I liked this and I’m glad you sent it in.
ROMDRUMS – 15.0
Skyharbor - Evolution 5.5 2 0 7.5
Skyharbor – Ugly Heart 5.5 2 0 7.5
Stadler said “Sammy”, Romdrums said “Diamond Dave”
I feel like you might not be happy with the score here, but it’s not that any of this was bad. In fact, it really grew on me, and while at first I was like “maybe he should have stuck with the first choice…” , I think ultimately you made the right call. It really grew on me through repeated listens. I liked how I heard something new each time and that it was something I REALLY like: music that is probably ten times more complex than it actually sounds. I think it’s a skill of a true musician – Portnoy, Morse (Steve), Collins – to take something exceedingly challenging and make it sound like it could be done around a campfire with a guitar missing two strings. A little extreme, maybe, but that’s of what this reminded me. It helps that I loved both singers. I think they were discernable but they both played well with others.
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PUPPIES ON ACID – 14.5
Sieges Even - Reporter 6 2 0 8
Sieges Even – Where Our Shadows Sleep 4.5 2 0 6.5
Stadler said “Diamond Dave”, Puppies said “Sammy”.
Puppies, in hindsight, you got screwed coming and going here. Sort of. The first song – one of the first I heard of the round, which, it seems, sometimes matters – was the song of the round for much of my listening time. Really good, and with the help of Jingle – who sent two songs with the same singer, so I know it’s not a fluke or an anomaly – it just got better. But then I heard the I Mother Earth song and it sort of stole that “song of the round” spot. Then, you had another song by the same band and it just didn’t stand up. That second singer is just too much… System Of A Down quirky for me and it really suffered for the comparison with Arno. I can certainly see if the fanbase was divided by this. Finally, I took a stab with “Diamond Dave” and, well, that didn’t work out well for you.
EVERMIND – 17.0
Kamelot – Abandoned 6 2 1 9
Kamelot – Song For Jolee 5 2 1 8
Stadler said “Sammy”, Evermind said “Sammy”.
Kamelot is another band I’ve heard a lot about and yet know very little. I really liked that first song. I don’t know that it was all the singer, but that was a really emotive song, and that chorus is one that sticks with you (I think we’ve all been there at one time or another, if not literally then at least emotionally). The second song suffered for being not quite as good, and with a singer that wasn’t quite as emotive… that doesn’t mean it’s bad – it’s not at all – but it pales in comparison to the first one which was really strong. I’d like to hear more, if only to see if all the music is as “melancholy” (your word, which I agree with) as this.
WOLFKING – 14.5
Danger Danger – Still Kickin’ (Poley) 5.5 2 0 7.5
Danger Danger – Still Kickin’ (Laine) 5 2 0 7
Stadler said “Diamond Dave”, Wolfking said nothing.
Odd submission in the sense that being from the North East, I’ve heard Danger Danger, I’ve heard of Ted Poley (he’s kind of quasi-legendary, in a way), but haven’t really heard much of their music beyond the one hit (“Bang Bang”). I liked the idea of being able to compare two vocalists on one song, studio, and make a comparison. Unfortunately, this isn’t a great tune. It’s also odd, because I like Poley better than Laine; Poley has character, whereas Laine sounds like he’s trying to be any of 10 nameless faceless metal singers making the rounds of once-classic bands looking to get on a national tour. But I like the Laine version of the song better. I gave a half a point to Poley for being the original, but that easily could have been the same score for both.
SCORPION – 0.0
DNF 0 0 0 0
DNF 0 0 0 0
Stadler said “Gary Cherone”, Scorpion said “Patty Smythe” or “Daryl Hall”.
I wish it wasn’t so, but zeros across the board. I tried to find something metaphysical to give at least creativity points, but couldn’t even do that.
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This is almost as good an example of the “style/emotion vs. technical ability” debate as Dave and Sam.
Yeah, that was exactly what I was going for. I'm glad you caught that. FYI, on the Vaughan Waysted album, they also do a version of Heaven Tonight, but it is so completely neutered.
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SACUL – 13.0
The Stooges – Down On The Street 5.5 1 0 6.5
The Stooges – Loose 5.5 1 0 6.5
Stadler said “Diamond Dave”, Sacul said… nothing.
Haha, again, confused. The Stooges; this is the version with one brother on drums, and one brother on guitar, but it’s the same singer (same album!). So I gave a point for the theme on this one. The songs are unassailable; The Stooges have taken on a life well beyond their actual contribution, but that’s not to say that music isn’t strong. It’s good, honest, hard-nosed rock and roll. Not punk, not metal, not alternative, just “rock and roll”. I love it. So the music gets high marks, but I just can’t really see fit to go much beyond that.
HOME – 13.5
OWEL – All I’ll Ever Know 5.5 1 0 6.5
OWEL - Float 6 1 0 7
Stadler said “Sammy”, Home said… nothing.
As a joke, I almost gave 7 + 2+ 1 + bonus point just because of the vaguely erotic, and not a little disturbingly suggestive, video for “All I’ll Ever Know”, but then I realized I owed more to this than to treat it like a joke. These were really good songs. I loved the buildup/payoff of the first song; it was swirling in a good way, and really made it worth sticking around. The start of Float was kind of jarring in that context, but patience paid off. After the slow start (and I don’t mean that in musical terms, I mean as in “slight”) the song escalated, and the start actually worked in your favor. Add to that the almost orchestral ending and I’m sure I liked Float better. I’m not sure I buy into the connection to the theme, and you didn’t apply for the bonus points, so it is what it is, but like the last two submissions, your take is creative and I liked the thought you put into it, and for that, I thank you.
ELITE – 15.0
Pain Of Salvation - ! (Forward) 5 2 0.5 7.5
Pain Of Salvation – Meaningless 5 2 0.5 7.5
Stadler said “Sammy”, Elite said… nothing.
Hmmm. Good creativity with the band change, but given that you stuck with the same singer, I’ve kind of got to focus on that, and I have to say, Gildenlow doesn’t really work for me. I get the sort of idea of “acting” with your vocals, but there didn’t seem to be a theme or reason for the changing; sometimes it was a clean tenor, sometimes a growl (which are lost on me except in the most specific of cases, like the Star One song from earlier in the roulette) and it didn’t connect. The second song was much more interesting and engaging, and I liked the double-tracked vocals in the chorus (that melody reminds me of a Kiss song, go figure…). I felt like the vocals served the song a lot better, but even then, it seems like it’s more gymnastics than not. I gave you a half-point for flipping the change into a the band change.
LOWDZ – 17.5
Savatage – Gutter Ballet 5.5 2 1 8.5
Savatage – Edge of Thorns 6 2 1 9
Stadler said “Diamond Dave”, Lowdz said “Diamond Dave”.
I’ve heard of the “Gutter Ballet” and I was prepared to say “I’ve heard this before”, but honestly I can’t recall it, so I let it stand. Each section seems vaguely evocative of other things; there’s some “Eye Of The Tiger” in there, there’s even a little “Time Warp” from Rocky Horror. Certainly you can hear what later we all embraced as “The Transiberian Orchestra”, and that’s what most impresses; this is cinematic. I can’t say I love the screechy, vibrato-laden vocals on the chorus, but the song makes up for it. But as much as I liked the more well-known Gutter Baller, the revelation was “Edge Of Thorns”. Still cinematic, still evocative, but the singer (Zachary Stevens) elevated this. I love the Dio-esque, “… the edge of thorns… but I don’t think about you anymore”; it’s straight out of “The Sign Of The Southern Cross” (which is as good as it gets for Dio-era Sabbath). I also loved how the solo was more a part than just wankery. This was good.
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I'll update the OP and the standings later tonight or first thing in the morning.
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Ouch :facepalm:
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I almost sent Savage as well. Nice choice. I probably would have picked different songs, but there are so many to choose from that it's hard to go wrong.
For the theme I thought you were either looking for bands with different singers, it we're going for a party vibe vs a more serious vibe.
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I just straight up don't understand the themes or how they factor into the scoring tbh. I can't stand Van Hagar. Oh well, very excited to send you two songs for the next round.
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Now to figure out what songs have to do with me. :justjen
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I’m happy with that. I felt some responsibility representing such a great band. I felt the same as you regarding the vocals - they always put me off a bit with Jon Oliva and stopped me loving the band.
So many great songs I could have chosen.
I also considered Danger Danger, Kamelot and Iced Earth
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Nobody will be surprised by my two submissions :biggrin:
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I'll take that. I think I know what to send next but I want to take a look at my library to make sure
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Hell yes, my trusted d20 didn't let me down with Sammy Hagar.
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Hell yes, my trusted d20 didn't let me down with Sammy Hagar.
Wrong roulette, nerd.
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:lol
Sent
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Sentski.
Results in February?
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I think you're being a little bit of an optimist there
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I'll send something tonight.
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Stadler said “Sammy”, Elite said… nothing.
And here I thought I was being clever by not replying. I seriously wouldn't recognise one from the other, nor do I know anything about Van Halen, apart from Eddie being the guitarist and a couple of their hit songs.
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I just straight up don't understand the themes or how they factor into the scoring tbh. I can't stand Van Hagar. Oh well, very excited to send you two songs for the next round.
Well, there's a theme. And there's the "obvious" and the "not so obvious". I've already quoted him, but TAC had it nailed (I quoted him before the... third round results, I think it was). I'm trying really hard to reward creativity even if I don't get it or it wasn't what I was thinking. This isn't "Mind Reading 101".
The Sammy/Dave thing was a way of keeping it interesting. I'm sorry if anyone is upset about that.
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TAC 16 17 15 18 66
Nekov 16.5 16 16.5 16 65
Jingle 15 16.5 15.5 18 65
King 14.5 16.5 18.5 15.5 65
Indiscipline 17 15.5 14.5 17 64
Evermind 15.5 14.5 17 17 64
Romdrums 16 15.5 17 15 63.5
v-Chlortho 15.5 14.5 16 17.5 63.5
Lowdz 16 15 14.5 17.5 63
Home 16 16 14 13.5 59.5
Puppies 14 16 15 14.5 59.5
Wolfking 15 15.5 13.5 14.5 58.5
Firewings 15 15 13.5 15 58.5
Elite 12.5 15.5 14.5 15 57.5
Sacul 15 14 14 13 56
Scorpion 17 0 0 0 17
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I just straight up don't understand the themes or how they factor into the scoring tbh. I can't stand Van Hagar. Oh well, very excited to send you two songs for the next round.
Well, there's a theme. And there's the "obvious" and the "not so obvious". I've already quoted him, but TAC had it nailed (I quoted him before the... third round results, I think it was). I'm trying really hard to reward creativity even if I don't get it or it wasn't what I was thinking. This isn't "Mind Reading 101".
But instead of making us try to find that quote, could you explain it? :p. I helped with the data collection but I don't really understand what you meant by the theme. I just assumed you meant a band with two different singers. You mentioned emotion vs technical ability in your write up for TAC - is that it? I'm not a VH fan, but I personally would say that Hagar has more of both (imo of course), so I would never have seen that as a choice between the two. I'm just curious how you saw the whole thing.
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Sent.
Not sure how Stads will go on these but I’ve sent anyway
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I'll send something in 24 hours.
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Stadler said “Sammy”, Home said… nothing.
What... Nicky Spanjaards counts as nothing? :P
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Lethean, when I saw the theme of Roth vs Hagar, I honestly had no idea what to do.
But it's just a theme.
You could send two songs with the word Diamond in them.
You could send a band with the word Red in them.
You could send a band that had two singers.
My first thought was to find a musician that played with both, and send two songs by that person, but I couldn't find anyone.
I ended up going the band with two singers route. But the general breakdown of the debate is which do you prefer, the vocalist with style and character, or the vocalist that is more technically proficient. I was lucky enough to know a band that replaced their first singer who was a distinct character with a singer that that was techncally more talented.
I think Stadler was hoping that for example, whatever two songs someone sends, it would clearly tell him who they preferred in the DLR/Sammy debate. I think that's hard to convey, honestly.
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I considered the 'diamond' vs 'red' route too... sending a song/band that had a precious gem in the name, and a band/song that had a color in the name. Honestly, there are numerous paths to matching the theme... and also the creativity point. I went with Sieges Even / Subsignal because instead of 1 band with 2 different leading members, I went with 1 group of leading members with 2 different bands.
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TAC - that explains it very well. :) Thank you.
I guess I've always thought of them both as "characters" so that distinction didn't occur to me, but then I'm not a fan and didn't know that that was what the debate was.
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I didn't do a singer change, but a whole-band-except-the-singer change. Thought that was quite a fun way to do this round. Unfortunately, in this case it doesn't work if that singer's voice puts you off.
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TAC - that explains it very well. :) Thank you.
I guess I've always thought of them both as "characters" so that distinction didn't occur to me, but then I'm not a fan and didn't know that that was what the debate was.
Sammy is a character for sure. And there are plenty of people that prefer the Sammy era.
And I truly hate to sound like a dink, but I think if you could've experienced the DLR years in real time, it is easy to see that the Sammy years lacked so much character compared to the DLR years. The band really became neutered at that point.
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I always felt the DLR years were more sizzle than steak. Not that the steak wasn't great, but the pomp and circumstance of Diamond Dave cast a bit of a shadow on the music. The Van Hagar years were more just about straight-forward hard rock 'n' roll.
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Van Hagar was b-o-r-i-n-g.
It was nice enough and there are plenty of cool songs, but the DLR era was spontaneous, fun, and interesting. What Eddie was doing on those albums was amazing. Even Alex's playing calmed down quite a bit. I just felt that they were musically a machine. They stood alone. After Sammy joined, they were just another band.
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Van Hagar was b-o-r-i-n-g.
It was nice enough and there are plenty of cool songs, but the DLR era was spontaneous, fun, and interesting. What Eddie was doing on those albums was amazing. Even Alex's playing calmed down quite a bit. I just felt that they were musically a machine. They stood alone. After Sammy joined, they were just another band.
TASTES!!
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van halen was always meh regardless of the era :corn
I don't listen to hard rock like them so ignore my opinion
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Like I said in the recent Van Halen poll, I had to play the Van Halen songs I wasn't sure I knew, and sure enough they're all Van Hagar songs. Doesn't sound like Van Halen at all (in a bad way). As big a cornball as he is, Roth >>> Hagar for my taste.
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van halen was always meh regardless of the era :corn
I don't listen to hard rock like them so ignore my opinion
Did you say something?
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I agree with the winner of my roulette.
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To be fair most of the VH I do know comes from the guitar hero game which was all DLR if I remember correctly
Not one of the GH games I played that much, to be blunt
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Is Guitar Hero still a thing?
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I'm not even 30 and I feel old as hell reading 'most of the Van Halen I know comes from Guitar Hero' :lol
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Is Guitar Hero still a thing?
nope this game is like 10 years old now lol
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Hate quoting myself, but this is for Lethean:
So. I love roulettes, but the part where I have to tell someone a song they love or an idea they had doesn’t work is hard for me. I well and truly believe my opinion doesn’t mean crap, and that it’ more important that someone be passionate about their music than whether I agree with it or not. So the good thing is I can play “good cop” and have others play “bad cop”:
Sending songs from 1985 should net zero creativity points.
Haha. This was a good round, for the most part. I’m going to keep the write-ups brief, in large part because I’ve already written on the “theme” part. I decided to give the full one point in creativity to the submission that really hit home (plus one other that was very close), and a half a point to the ones that went beyond the obvious, and for the rest? See above. Couple songs tested my resolve, but I tried to have an open mind and find the good where I could.
The theme for that was "Stadler graduates high school". I graduated in 1985. Songs from 1985 did, in fact, net zero creativity points. But someone blew the theme out of the water and, as he said, "went deep".
Look, I generally try to value other people's opinions, and certainly, every single person in this roulette to be someone whose opinion I do value. Some of it is limited to music, because I don't know them well enough, but others, it's clear, there's a sort of bond. So I want to give these guys something to dig into (to the degree they want to). Some are, some aren't, and that's fine. Look, great songs and just sticking to the theme will likely get you into the playoffs. But if you want to go for the gold, there's an opportunity to do it.
Even though no one got the Sammy/Dave thing, there were still people that put a lot of thought and effort in, and I hope they had fun doing it, because it was certainly appreciated by me, and so even if you didn't get a ton of points, you can go to sleep at night knowing you made someone's day better than it would have been otherwise.
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That's cool Stadler - and I got the part about people using creativity to try to interpret the different themes. I was just wondering what that specific thing was that you had in mind for the Sammy/Dave thing - I was curious especially since I was participating in a way. I think TAC explained that part pretty well for me (unless of course you think his explanation was wrong :P).
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That's cool Stadler - and I got the part about people using creativity to try to interpret the different themes. I was just wondering what that specific thing was that you had in mind for the Sammy/Dave thing - I was curious especially since I was participating in a way. I think TAC explained that part pretty well for me (unless of course you think his explanation was wrong :P).
Nope, he nailed it.
And for your benefit, not every round has that. This one doesn't; though given my natural curiosity and genuine affection for many of the people in the roulette, it'd be a bonus to learn something, but I respect everyone's right - especially on the interwebs - to not be airing their dirty laundry in a poorly run (no, Stadler, it's not poorly run!) roulette.
In the three playoff rounds, though, who knows! Got to step up your game! :)
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Van Hagar was b-o-r-i-n-g.
It was nice enough and there are plenty of cool songs, but the DLR era was spontaneous, fun, and interesting. What Eddie was doing on those albums was amazing. Even Alex's playing calmed down quite a bit. I just felt that they were musically a machine. They stood alone. After Sammy joined, they were just another band.
TASTES!!
I understand (not really) how someone might prefer the Sammy era. It's pretty safe and down the middle. But I would be truly shocked if any of those people were actually around for the DLR era.
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Van Hagar was b-o-r-i-n-g.
It was nice enough and there are plenty of cool songs, but the DLR era was spontaneous, fun, and interesting. What Eddie was doing on those albums was amazing. Even Alex's playing calmed down quite a bit. I just felt that they were musically a machine. They stood alone. After Sammy joined, they were just another band.
TASTES!!
I understand (not really) how someone might prefer the Sammy era. It's pretty safe and down the middle. But I would be truly shocked if any of those people were actually around for the DLR era.
I prefer the Sammy era, and I was indeed not around during the DLR era.
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Van Hagar was b-o-r-i-n-g.
It was nice enough and there are plenty of cool songs, but the DLR era was spontaneous, fun, and interesting. What Eddie was doing on those albums was amazing. Even Alex's playing calmed down quite a bit. I just felt that they were musically a machine. They stood alone. After Sammy joined, they were just another band.
TASTES!!
I understand (not really) how someone might prefer the Sammy era. It's pretty safe and down the middle. But I would be truly shocked if any of those people were actually around for the DLR era.
I prefer the Sammy era, and I was indeed not around during the DLR era.
Wasn't jingle? And Indiscipline?
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I'm 4 years TAC's junior. I caught the tail end of DLR era. Initially, I thought Van Hagar was a dud and toast, but then when I started really listening to that version of VH after OU812, I just found the writing to be more ... intelligent? I dunno, I just felt the DLR era had a lot of laziness. Too many covers (2 on Diver Down), some totally uneventful tunes (Happy Trails), and more than a few duds. I just thought song-for-song, the Hagar era was far more consistent. Didn't have the highs/hits of the Roth era, but there aren't many songs of the Hagar albums that I don't like. There's lots from Roth era that I couldn't give 2 shits about.
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I'm 4 years TAC's junior.
Really? You look pretty rough for 30! :lol
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I'm 4 years TAC's junior.
Really? You look pretty rough for 30! :lol
Your cell phone case on your belt gives your age away.
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I'd put it in my front pocket but there's um...no room. ;D :hat
I hate having shit in my pockets. My wallet is literally a 1/2 inch thick.
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My wallet is the opposite and I have to hold it or get my girlfriend to carry it in her bag.
(https://sharpmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/costanza-wallet-card-cases.jpg)
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:lol
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I'm 4 years TAC's junior. I caught the tail end of DLR era. Initially, I thought Van Hagar was a dud and toast, but then when I started really listening to that version of VH after OU812, I just found the writing to be more ... intelligent? I dunno, I just felt the DLR era had a lot of laziness. Too many covers (2 on Diver Down), some totally uneventful tunes (Happy Trails), and more than a few duds. I just thought song-for-song, the Hagar era was far more consistent. Didn't have the highs/hits of the Roth era, but there aren't many songs of the Hagar albums that I don't like. There's lots from Roth era that I couldn't give 2 shits about.
But here's why TAC is right as rain: in real time, it wasn't "lazy" it was cool as shit. Get in, kick ass, and get out. I don't think I was at a party my senior year or freshman year of college that didn't have SOME Van Halen on at some point. "Have you seen Junior's grades?" sounds dopey now, but it was cool as crap then. We even had, during a "talent show", a band come out and mime to two Van Halen songs for no other reason than the "singer" could do the split thing, and he and the light guy did the whole "C'mon Dave, gimme a break"... "One break, comin' up!" thing.
Ozzy and Rush were guy bands. Def Leppard and Bon Jovi were more... female friendly. There wasn't a guy in my high school that didn't think Ozzy, Bruce or Rob would kick Jon (no one spelled it with no 'h' then) and/or Joe's ass. VH was almost unique in that they appealed to BOTH. Chicks wanted to be with Diamond Dave, and guys wanted to BE Diamond Dave. I get it though; Dave is a little like a pineapple; sweet as wine when fresh, but goes stale quick and isn't good when soggy and brown.
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Can confirm. One band my parents 100% agree on is Van Halen. :biggrin:
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Seriously who didn't have one of these scribbled on the brown bag text book cover?
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Round 5 sent.
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Sent.
Did anyone send Ayreon - Loser? Because that's a perfect opportunity.
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Sorry for the delay, but I sent!
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I haven't sent. Will send in the morning. Just have to cone up with two songs.
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I haven't sent. Will send in the morning. Just have to cone up with two songs.
Is the subject matter a problem? Haha. :)
You're good for now; I have 10 out of 16. Hoping to spend the weekend listening, since we're getting snow Saturday night into Sunday morning, but so it goes.
I think some of our friends here are going to get hammered (with snow, but perhaps otherwise as well).
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WTF is taking people so long??? You know you're in a roulette, folks!
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I think some of our friends here are going to get hammered (with snow, but perhaps otherwise as well).
Currently in the middle of a giant snowstorm. I think it's snowed well over a foot since this morning and supposed to snow for another 5 hours or so.
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Where is "here" for you diggity dawg?
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Where is "here" for you diggity dawg?
Nevada side of Lake Tahoe.
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So I assume everyone finally sent everything? When do we get results :corn
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Probably right after the Super Bowl. ;D
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I think some of our friends here are going to get hammered (with snow, but perhaps otherwise as well).
Currently in the middle of a giant snowstorm. I think it's snowed well over a foot since this morning and supposed to snow for another 5 hours or so.
Cool.We hardly ever get snow where I live in the UK. If there’s a new ice age my town will miss out. We do however do rain. Lots of rain.
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So I assume everyone finally sent everything? When do we get results :corn
I haven't sent anything yet. Just started looking for two songs now.
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I sent two songs that sum me up PERFECTLY! ;D
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I sent two songs that sum me up PERFECTLY! ;D
You just sent now??
What did you send? "Finally" and "About Time"?
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I sent two songs that sum me up PERFECTLY! ;D
You just sent now??
What did you send? "Finally" and "About Time"?
I was thinking Harem Scarem / Had Enough. :lol
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I sent two songs that sum me up PERFECTLY! ;D
You just sent now??
What did you send? "Finally" and "About Time"?
:rollin
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I sent two songs that sum me up PERFECTLY! ;D
You just sent now??
What did you send? "Finally" and "About Time"?
No, I sent this;
https://youtu.be/sFacWGBJ_cs?t=40
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Don't roll tumbleweeds at me, mister. I get it, I set the tone here, but I'm still missing... three I think. I'll double check and if they are three that are out of the playoffs right now, if you guys want to keep it moving, I'll deem them "DNF" and get working on results.
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Three?? DNF, WTF, anything works.
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Yeah, it's been eight days. Unless they gave you any excuse they weren't able to send earlier, just go ahead and move this on I think. I know if I wasn't able to send for eight days, I would have had no hard feelings about my DNF whatsoever.
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Yeah, 8 days is way too long. Let's just move along
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Yeah move on. That's nuts. I want validation on how awesome my songs are!
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Definitely. Give people that actually want to participate to get past the cut off.
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I sent two songs that sum me up PERFECTLY! ;D
You just sent now??
What did you send? "Finally" and "About Time"?
No, I sent this;
https://youtu.be/sFacWGBJ_cs?t=40
Good god, I thought that was only a hit in the UK. Didn’t realise it infected the world 🙉
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It's like my old company President used to say about starting meetings on time - I'll show more respect to the people that arrived on-time vs those that showed up late.
In this case, I think roulette hosts should respect the effort of those that submitted timely vs accommodating those that didn't. That's how I played things - gave a deadline, and started listening regardless if people submitted by it or not.
@ Lowdz... yup, clearly a global phenomenon, as I too remember that getting WAAAAAAAY too much radio play than it deserved.
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Results were 8 days ago, with the themes given long before that. It's obvious people decided they did not want to participate.
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:corn
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@ Lowdz... yup, clearly a global phenomenon, as I too remember that getting WAAAAAAAY too much radio play than it deserved.
It was massive in Oz.
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In this case, I think roulette hosts should respect the effort of those that submitted timely vs accommodating those that didn't. That's how I played things - gave a deadline, and started listening regardless if people submitted by it or not.
I'm going to consider this for future rounds in my current roulette. It may not effect things in a big way, but those who submit in a timely fashion will obviously get more time and fair play.
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I always gave the same amount of listens regardless of when I received. That is unless a song really appealed to me and I wanted to hear it more. But to be fair, everyone got the same number of listens. I would start listening early only to keep the round flowing and results on time.
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I generally do the opposite, I listen to the songs I like the least a few times more than the rest to give them a chance to grow on me.
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I tend to go through everything once at first, then go from there; the most interesting ones I remember get immediate replays, but then I try to focus on the ones I don't enjoy that much so I can be fair. It's easier to fall in love with a song immediately than appreciate one that doesn't leave much of an impression the first time, usually happens with longer or more complicated songs.
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You have to listen to the songs?
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FYI, listening now. Results as soon as I can, then the cut, then the theme for the first round of the playoffs.
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:facepalm:
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Can I get a mulligan if I get cut and take the spot of one of the three shameful deserters? :lol
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I always gave the same amount of listens regardless of when I received. That is unless a song really appealed to me and I wanted to hear it more. But to be fair, everyone got the same number of listens. I would start listening early only to keep the round flowing and results on time.
Pretty much this
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I always gave the same amount of listens regardless of when I received. That is unless a song really appealed to me and I wanted to hear it more. But to be fair, everyone got the same number of listens. I would start listening early only to keep the round flowing and results on time.
All of this.
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I would give some catch up listens to the stragglers in my roulette, but I wasn't too concerned about making everything perfectly even. If they really wanted their song to be listened to as much as everyone else's, they wouldn't have sent 2-3 days after everyone else. :P
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Stadler, I tried replying to your PM, but your inbox is full!
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Stadler, I tried replying to your PM, but your inbox is full!
I cleared out some stuff...
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Thanks! :tup
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Stadler, clean out your inbox!!
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Stadler, post results!!
Fix'd.
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Stadler, post results!!
Fix'd.
:lol
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Trying; half done. Writing now. I have my grandson this weekend, so actually might get it done this weekend (while he's sleeping). You guys don't care, but I've had an inordinate number of conference calls this week, which means harder to listen (people don't like it when you crank Nightwish while they're talking!). But I'm done listening, and have written I think 8 of the 14 results. I'll try to do more tonight and tomorrow.
I'm so sorry; it's embarassing frankly, but it is what it is. Got some great songs, though. High score so far: 7. Low score so far: 5.5. That's a pretty tight spread.
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Clear out another message so I can send a reply to your other PM.
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For starters, you're welcome for introducing you to Nightwish - even though it didn't score very well last roulette. :biggrin: Secondly, I hear what you mean about too many con calls. Why the fuck can't people work without me needing to talk to them! :lol Third, our first perfect score :omg: Kudos to someone.
protip to anyone with a full inbox here ... print the list of messages to a .pdf so you have records of anything you want to keep, then nuke the non-essential stuff.
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You guys don't care, but I've had an inordinate number of conference calls this week, which means harder to listen (people don't like it when you crank Nightwish while they're talking!). But I'm done listening, and have written I think 8 of the 14 results. I'll try to do more tonight and tomorrow.
That didn't seem to stop you from posting like 20 times in the last 3 days in the political threads!
I propose a Government political post Shutdown until the wall is funded Results are posted.
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:lol
I get what Stadler's saying. My new job doesn't allow me much time to listen like I used to, and I'm limited on time in the evenings as far as what kind of media I want to consume, so yeah. Patiently awaiting my... 7? Perfect? Surely my songs get a 7. Right? :biggrin:
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protip to anyone with a full inbox here ... print the list of messages to a .pdf so you have records of anything you want to keep, then nuke the non-essential stuff.
Tell me more, please....
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protip to anyone with a full inbox here ... print the list of messages to a .pdf so you have records of anything you want to keep, then nuke the non-essential stuff.
Tell me more, please....
Well, I'd PM you, but your inbox is probably full. :lol
Assuming you're using a browser that has .pdf capability (Chrome does), go to your inbox, move back to page 1 of your messages, start to print, but select the option to either print to a .pdf, or change printers to a "Save to pdf" option. Just google the process (whether Mac or Windows, IE/Chrome/Safari/Firefox... doesn't matter), there's lots of instructions out there.
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Kick me out already daddy :wet
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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB2yqeD0Nus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB2yqeD0Nus)
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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB2yqeD0Nus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB2yqeD0Nus)
Surely you must be joking...
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I’ve been preaching about creativity now for a while, so no one should have any heartburn about this round. Two guys took this and ran with it. The round was about “YOU” and they went above and beyond. We met at a truck stop and, well, thank god for all of us there isn’t video. No, I’m kidding; but they did go above and beyond and sent me songs that THEY created (point: they are not on the banned list!). I’m going to honestly critique them, but their score is going to reflect the boldness of that move.
This is it: top eight move on, the rest… I guess they move on too in a different direction.
For the record, absent “bans”, had I been given the theme, I would have sent “Tonight” by Ozzy, and either “Evidence of Autumn” by Genesis or “Drops Of Jupiter” by Train.
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NEKOV – 14.5
John Wesley – Out Of Your League 5 2 0 7
John Wesley – Last Man By Your Side 5.5 2 0 7.5
This should have been a no-brainer submission. Really liked his work with Fish – Fellini Days isn’t my favorite, but I was really excited by that following the really disappointing Raingods CD – and I’m pretty sure I saw him with Fish at least once, and I’ve seen him open for Marillion twice now. And it really pains me to say this, but… it’s a little boring. Not the right word, but it just seems so bland to me. At first I assumed the subject matter of the first song but it seemed to be something different, and I had a hard time relating that to you. The second was more self-explanatory, but it still took a lot of assumptions to relate to the theme. I’m sorry if it sounds mean or rude, but compared to some of the responses I got, I’m having a hard time in giving too much credit for creativity here. I’m sorry.
INDISCIPLINE – 17.0
The Last Five Years – Moving Too Fast 6 2 0.5 8.5
The Last Five Years – Still Hurting 6 2 0.5 8.5
With all due respect and sympathy for the connection to you, I was really sucked in by this and want to go and dig into the rest of the story, to see if the conceit (the crossing time lines) holds together. I gave them both sixes, but I liked them for very different reasons. I loved the rollicking, story-telling aspect of the first song, just oozing happiness and hope and, maybe, a little denial. I also loved the somber, real, maybe even a little bitter lament of the second song, especially the repeated “what about…?” questioning. Really good songs and I thank you for sharing.
KINGSHMEGLAND - 17.0
Fernando Perdomo – We Were Raised With Headphones On 6 2 0.5 8.5
Spock’s Beard – She Is Everything 6 2 0.5 8.5
Wow, I’ve never heard of Fernando Perdomo before, but a little research quickly told me that I should have. I really liked this song a lot. Kind of hit close to home, frankly. Plus you get bonus credit for the Kiss connection (“Dreaming In Stereo” was slated to be managed by Bill Aucoin, the guy that basically “discovered” Kiss) and the Beatles connection (recorded at Abbey Road). Not the hugest Spock’s Beard fan, and less so with no Neal Morse, but I liked this song a lot. Great guitar solo for sure (I think you noted that) and I LOVE that pun at the end: “A promise… a ring and a prayer.”
JINGLE.BOY – 17.5
Ostura - Deathless 6.5 2 1 9.5
Thought Chamber – Breath Of Life 5.5 2 0.5 8
You had me at “Rise up, we’re the brave!” That’s an epic chorus right there (Firewings: that’s what I was thinking about when I wrote about the “angle”). Now, I know we’re all sick and tired of the plethora of Lebanese-American cinematic prog bands, but there’s room for a band that names itself “Legend” in Arabic! Seriously, I don’t mock, because the song I heard lived up to the promise. The second song was good, but it was – unfortunately – something of a letdown after the Ostura; this round I did something different and listened out of order even by submission (I have always listened in pairs till now) and unfortunately for you that feeling didn’t go away. I think it was the vocals. It seemed to need that epic vocal sweep to go along with the guitar and it wasn’t there (for me). I’m reluctant to share too much about the personal side of the submissions out of respect for people’s privacy, but let me just say that the material you sent earned that “1”, the only one I gave outside of the arrogant assholes that sent their own music. (I’m kidding!)
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:fistpump:
I’m reluctant to share too much about the personal side of the submissions out of respect for people’s privacy, but let me just say that the material you sent earned that “1”, the only one I gave outside of the arrogant assholes that sent their own music. (I’m kidding!)
No worries there my friend. For those that care (or even if you don't), I shared a list of my 'rules of life' with Stads, #1 being "No matter what you do, unless you die, life goes on"; and #2 being "The only thing you *have* to do is breathe". Both of which (along with another life philosophy of mine) tie in to my submissions.
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TAC – 17.5
Anthrax –Bare 6.5 2 0.5 9
UFO – Timothy 6 2 0.5 8.5
I really, REALLY liked the Anthrax song. I’m not a huge fan of theirs at all, and honestly can’t name one John Bush song of theirs, but this really hit home (and I really liked the setup; you’re not kidding, the first song DOES set the tone for the second). If you played me “Bare” and said “who is this?” I wouldn’t have guessed Anthrax in 200 guesses. This was really good, nuanced, and with feel (all things I think Anthrax is missing). As for the UFO; I’ve heard nightmares about the “space rock” of the first two albums, and since I’m not going to see the “Mick Bolton Group” this spring with his original singers, it kind of scared me off. But I liked that song. Not as much as the first one, but it had a real early “Kiss” feel that I could get into. I might have to check some of that stuff out. Plus kudos for having a song named after you.
FIREWINGS/KATTLEOX – 16.0
Power Quest – Better Days 5.5 2 0.5 8
Power Quest – Children Of The Dream 5.5 2 0.5 8
I can so relate to having “that song” that gets you through. Kind of an anthem of sorts, right? Mine is probably “Sole Survivor” by Asia. Not going to lie: the music is good – pretty good – but not great; I don’t mind the production or what some would say is “cheese” or “shine” – hell, I LOVE Night Ranger and even latter day Cheap Trick. It just didn’t have the angle that grabbed me and said “HEY! Listen to this!” Again, though that’s not to say it’s bad, and I’m sure with more than a week of listening, it might have found it’s way dug in. So in short, good, solid, if not unremarkable.
V-CHLORTHO – 16.5
Marah In The Mainsail – The Traveling Man 5.5 2 0.5 8
Marah In The Mainsail – Bone Crown 6 2 0.5 8.5
As an aside, “names” and “titles” mean something to me. I hate dumb band names or overly cute names (for some reason “Death Cab For Cutie” gets under my skin, as do the rash of bands with semi-random “adjective, adjective, noun”, like “Olivia Tremor Control” or “Neural Milk Hotel”). I like EPIC. “Led Zeppelin”. “Iron Maiden”. So it’s with respect that I say “Marah In The Mainsail” is cool AF. I liked the first song a lot, but I really really grew to like the second song. This band is also described all over the internet as “cinematic”; the difference between them and “Ostura” must be “Minneapolis” vs. “Lebanon”, but whatever; the songs were evocative, none moreso than the second one. I technically liked the first one better, but the second was a real piece of art and so got a half point bump. Thank you for your explanation (I would have gotten the first song, not the second; please don’t burn my forest to the ground!).
ROMDRUMS – 19.0
Ice Fish – Human Hardware 6 2 1 9
Romdrums – Case Study 7 2 1 10
I’ll start right off and say I’m a little iffy on the first track; not because I don’t like it, or because it’s bad, but because I don’t know where it falls relative to the second song, or a completely “third party” song. In any event, the performance is strong, and I like that you’ve put yourself out there. Now, the second song… let me be clear: the score is largely based on the creativity of sharing your art. But having said that, I really dug that second song. You referred to samples of ELP and Floyd, and to be honest, I still can’t find them, but I really like the Gabriel/Tool feel of that song. I’m not the hugest Tool fan, but I like them (and have all their records) but the part I like best of Tool is the intangible; I LOVE LOVE LOVE the post-Thrak Crimson, which is very heavily influenced by Tool (or should I say, a focus by Fripp on those elements that influenced Tool). I think a lot of people think “Gabriel” and focus on the WOMAD and Sting-related hipster activist pop (you know what I mean: U2, REM, Sting, Collins, Gabriel… the 80’s/90’s politically aware rock). But there’s a dark metal vibe to some of Gabriel’s work that came through in Bruce Dickinson’s solo work (he has a “lost album” around the time of Balls To Picasso that he calls “the Gabriel album”) and in some of Tool’s work, and that’s a big part of this song. I would listen to this outside of a roulette, and that’s high praise (not from me, but in general).
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PUPPIES ON ACID – 16.5
Tomorrow’s Bad Seeds – Rollin’ 5.5 2 0.5 8
Silversun Pickups – Growing Old Is Getting Old 6 2 0.5 8.5
Unreasonable position, I know, but I have zero interest in the SoCal reggae-rock, ska scene (never saw the allure of Sublime, and thought it bo-ring) and a very skeptical eye towards the “jam band” scene. I LOVE The Allman’s, and I’ve come to love certain sections of the Dead’s catalogue (basically everything post-Pigpen and pre-Brent), and have an affinity for Blues Travelor. But some of the other progeny, I have a hard time with. I was in a Phish phase for a while, but they were too hipster for me. I say that because while I get the provenance of TSB, I kept hearing Blues Travelor in the song, and while that elevated it a little bit, it still was the side of BT that I like least. SIlversun Pickups; I have one record by them – Neck of the Woods – and like it, not love it. I liked this a fair amount. I dig her vocals, and like the build of the song. And certainly I can get behind the sentiment of the song (as I sit here stretching my back from sitting for all of an hour and a half).
EVERMIND – 16.0
Riverside – Discard Your Fear 5.5 2 0.5 8
Seventh Wonder – Beyond Today (Farewell, Pt. 3) 5.5 2 0.5 8
First time I heard this I thought “Marillion!”. Funny enough, according to the Wiki page, the band was formed from the ashes of metal bands, gelling around a love for Marillion specifically (and prog in general). While I have an affinity for any band from Poland (my dad spoke Polish as a kid) that only goes so far. The song is good, but it’s not the part of Marillion I love best; it’s more the “Radiohead” side of Marillion, which I can do without (though there’s another band that I’m reminded of, I just can’t place them). I liked the second song; I feel like it’s listening to “Lavender” (to continue the Marillion theme), that is, a song that works far better as a part of a bigger work, but it’s a good song and (to your note) the singer is very evocative. I liked this, but perhaps there were songs in the round I liked better. I do appreciate you sharing with me, though, and I get the connection.
WOLFKING – 16.5
W.A.S.P. – Animal 5.5 2 0.5 8
Dream Evil – The Book Of Heavy Metal 6 2 0.5 8.5
Got to at least give you props for having a set of nads. What audacity to send “Animal: F*&^ Like A Beast” for a song about you. Full disclosure, I’ve heard that before, though not in years, and even then it was in passing, so I let it go. Actually, schlock notwithstanding, that held up pretty good. I love Blackie’s voice and sometimes wish he would tone it the fuck down a little (does he have any material that’s not over the top? Serious question, because I’d be into it). I’m a Kiss fan, so there’s no need to be embarrassed by the music I like but I do sort of take the position that if you have to TELL someone you f*** like a beast, maybe your partners aren’t in full agreement! (I’m busting on you). Now the second song; WTF. It starts right off with a shriek of “METAL!” Can’t go anywhere but down from there! Actually the song was good; the singer sort of has a Klaus Meine feel to him, and while the chorus blew (a growled “The Book Of Heavy Metal”) the song was good and I loved the “metal!” thrown in as a reminder.
SCORPION – 0.0
DNF 0 0 0 0
DNF 0 0 0 0
I feel like I don’t know you any better after this round than before.
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SACUL – 15.0
Beth Gibbons – Mysteries 5.5 2 0 7.5
Beth Gibbons – Romance 5.5 2 0 7.5
Hmmm. While not the favorite of the round, they did grow on me the most. I Iiked Mysteries right out the gate, but the vocal bugged me (I don’t really like when the vocal is hot on the mic and you can hear the pops and clicks and breaths; I know in certain circles that’s cred, but I don’t like it). But the song is strong, and the subject matter seems to lend itself to that approach. The second song… I listened to it once and was like “can I REALLY give ‘zero’? I gave a ‘seven’, it’d be only fitting!”. The vocal affect was a real turnoff (in the same way the vocal treatment of the intro to “Bring It On Home” by Zeppelin is really off-putting). I went back to a live version that was still very jazzy, very mood-centered, and the song clicked a little bit with the more subtle vocai. I can’t really say how the songs apply to you, personally, but I like this kind of music generally, and though I’m not the hugest fan of Portishead, I liked this for what it is (doesn’t help you, though, that I’ve been on a DT kick lately).
HOME – 17.0
Mew – Comforting Sounds 6 2 0.5 8.5
Mew – Am I Wrong? 6 2 0.5 8.5
I really really liked these songs. I don’t recall having heard them before (though I think I’m wrong on that) but it was a pleasant surprise; your underwhelming write up maybe had something to do with that. (Haha, I’m kidding). I liked the way that both songs built and I liked how the vocals sat on the music. This was pretty enjoyable.
ELITE – 18.0
Shadow Gallery – Destination Unknown 5.5 2 0.5 8
Overhaul – Pastels 7 2 1 10
I only know Shadow Gallery from the Magna Carta prog tribute records (I just listened to “Working Man” last night in the truck). It was good, but fairly unremarkable. Now for the second song… I really dug that. The intro, that middle instrumental break, and the solo were absolutely top notch. Honestly, the vocals sort of struck me in a quasi-Charlie Dominici way – meaning, good, but there’s clearly another level to be had – though they really worked well coming out of that instrumental break/solo section. All in all, I appreciate you sharing your art with me, and I am most definitely going to check out the rest of it if I can.
LOWDZ – 17.0
Vain – Beat The Bullet 5.5 2 0.5 8
Nightwish – Ghost Love Score 6.5 2 0.5 9
I think if I was given a batch of songs and told to “match them to the people in your roulette”, the Vain song would’ve been the first one, and it would have been to you. Perfect submission as far as I’m concerned. I also agree with you on the “depth” comment; if you think about it (and I’ve been accused of “overthinking” things before) that’s a great, bittersweet concept: “I get down on my knees, and pray to the Lord that I beat the bullet”. You’re not now nor ever will “beat the bullet”, and so does that speak to the futility of God? Prayer? Or man? You really nailed it with the Nightwish, though. Jingle (I think) sent Nightwish in a previous roulette and it did not connect, but, by sheer coincidence, someone here posted that song – same version (your link went to the live version) - at another site and I listened and I was just blown away. I have no context, no dog in the “Tarja/Floor” fight, and haven’t heard the Tarja version, but this live piece just smoked. I love female vocals like this and in my opinion, she just nails this. Plus, again, no context, but in the video, Floor is quite the looker, and yeah, that matters (at least to me). EPIC!
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Kade :lol
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Of course you all know this is the cut round, we now enter the Chase of Champions! Top eight, cut to four, cut to two, and a winner.
I was thinking about releasing the final results in pieces, but not knowing when anyone would read it, that's almost impossible. So here are the final standings:
(https://i.imgur.com/AVdsR0A.png)
So the top eight are in, the rest, I deeply appreciate you participating and sharing with me. I have a nice list of music that I have to dig into over the next few weeks or so, and I'm excited for that.
Next round theme coming shortly (as in within the next couple hours, tops).
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Hey TAC and jingle, looks like we're neck and neck in this roulette as well. :metal :tup
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Poor Tom... Leading after the first round, then pulled an Earnhardt Sr. What, too soon?
So the top eight are in, the rest, I deeply appreciate you participating and sharing with me. I have a nice list of music that I have to dig into over the next few weeks months or so, and I'm excited for that.
Fix'd that for ya - I'm still working thru the A-list submissions from my roulette.
Next round theme coming shortly (as in within the next couple hours, tops).
So, Friday then? :neverusethis:
Hey TAC and jingle, looks like we're neck and neck in this roulette as well. :metal :tup
Here's hoping I'm not column fodder in this one too!
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Weird Riverside pick too
Comforting Sounds deserves a 10/10 tbh but that's an acceptable score
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Evermind, Discard Your Fear is awesome - don't listen to Stadler. :P
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Plus kudos for having a song named after you.
You would've had my full name but Ozzy is banned. :lol
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Kade :lol
Just the way I wanted to go out in this roulette! ;D
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Plus kudos for having a song named after you.
You would've had my full name but Ozzy is banned. :lol
Your middle name is Anthrax?
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No, but it does start with an A ;D
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I was certain the 80s Van Halen-meets-metal vibe of my songs would have appealed to you more, but it wouldn't have made a difference since I would've been out anyway. Fucking hell. :lol Fun roulette, thanks for letting me play, Stads!
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Today must be Friday in Canada...
So, my favorite line - or at least top two or three - in any song ever is "I know someday you'll have a beautiful life, I know you'll be the sun* in someone else's sky... why? why? why can't it be mine?" by Pearl Jam, in "Black".
Another good one is "Though you hardly can recall her face or form, her memory lingers on..." by Tony Banks, in "Evidence of Autumn".
Give me your two songs with your top two lines. I'm taking you at your word ("I got pictures of naked ladies lying on their beds, I whiff that smell and sweet convulsion!" isn't going to fly in this round, Kade!) here, and for once I'll give some clarity: If your favorite line is "The love you take is equal to the love you make" and you send in The End, you'll either get it rejected (Beatles!) or you'll get your score for the song, your two points for the theme, and zero for the creativity. The creativity on this one is HOW YOU GET THE LINE IN.
Single elimination here, ladies and gentlemen, so some strategy at play here. After this round, four go to the bleachers and four continue to run for the glory!
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One of mine is in my sig. Listen to it anyway. Bastard. :hat :lol
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I was certain the 80s Van Halen-meets-metal vibe of my songs would have appealed to you more, but it wouldn't have made a difference since I would've been out anyway. Fucking hell. :lol Fun roulette, thanks for letting me play, Stads!
it's kind of a fine line there, boss. Some of it rules, and I can't tell you I know every song of that genre from that time, but that's when I grew up, so you're competing with the masters. It's like why go to a knock-off when you can have the original?
I'm glad you played. I appreciate you taking the time to participate (especially with all "life" you got going on!)
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One of mine is in my sig. Listen to it anyway. Bastard. :hat :lol
If those that are out still want to submit something cool, I'm game, though please one song only and bear in mind I'm focusing on the results first so I'm not going to stretch this out longer than it already has.
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I look forward to Stadleroulette 3.0 so I can inundate you with more bad music :2metal:
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Stadler did you misquote the Black lyrics on purpose?
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Give me your two songs with your top two lines.
Interesting...
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Give me your two songs with your top two lines.
Interesting...
Yeah... given the most influential music in my life is from the 70s and 80s, most of my "top" lyrical lines will be from banned artists. Could take a couple days to ponder what is appropriate, and not banned.
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Give me your two songs with your top two lines.
Interesting...
Yeah... given the most influential music in my life is from the 70s and 80s, most of my "top" lyrical lines will be from banned artists. Could take a couple days to ponder what is appropriate, and not banned.
Thank you for putting that into words for me. :lol Yeah exactly. My favorite lines are by my favorite artists. Which are banned.
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I'm so happy you liked the songs. Please, dig in on Jason Robert Brown, the greatest American composer nobody knows.
Now, my favourite lines are definitely banned, by both law and roulette.
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Now, my favourite lines are definitely banned, by both law and roulette.
:lol
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What the actual fuck? I was second las round and now I'm out? Can I ask for a re-count of the votes or something?
I knew the guy was somewhat of a hit or miss but I truly thought I was safe. I honestly did a lot better than I thought I would when this started so all in all it was good. I hope the top 8 all die in a fire after they crash at full speed ;D
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i think stads totally botched the math, from the numbers he has up there your score should be 82
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What the actual fuck? I was second las round and now I'm out? Can I ask for a re-count of the votes or something?
I knew the guy was somewhat of a hit or miss but I truly thought I was safe. I honestly did a lot better than I thought I would when this started so all in all it was good. I hope the top 8 all die in a fire after they crash at full speed ;D
Holy shit that escalated quickly :lol
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One of my favorite lines of all time comes from Van Halen's In A Simple Rhyme:
"Ain't life grand when you finally hit it"
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(https://i.imgur.com/7XwXNEM.png)
i fixed the math
by which i mean i just threw all the same numbers in excel and used the autosum to calculate scores
but i mean if these aren't the right score numbers either then who knows :neverusethis:
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I cast Cannibalize on Scorp's Corpse and reviv- oh, wrong roulette
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OK, let's look at this..
(https://i.imgur.com/AVdsR0A.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/7XwXNEM.png)
EDIT: Stadler, you add like Kingshmegland spells. :rollin
ReEDIT: Sorry, Lowdz. :lol
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to be fair the top 4 and bottom 7 were all perfect. it's just that the scores were all jumbled up in the middle, specifically the place where it matters the most
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to be fair the top 4 and bottom 7 were all perfect. it's just that the scores were all jumbled up in the middle, specifically the place where it matters the most
To be fair, of course. :lol
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I smell shenanigans. I mean, Lowder's avatar is Gene after all.
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Am I the only one that when they see:
v-clortho
The first thing I think of is ...clinched playoff birth. :lol
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I'll be happy to recheck them (it will be tomorrow morning). Haste makes paste as they say and I DID have a problem with a couple formulas getting jumbled when I did the sort (the two lines for every entry was a f*****g nightmare; won't do that again).
Or, I cheated to get a Kiss fan in.
Oh, and this is the theme for the NEXT round. (Kidding).
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What the actual fuck? I was second las round and now I'm out? Can I ask for a re-count of the votes or something?
I knew the guy was somewhat of a hit or miss but I truly thought I was safe. I honestly did a lot better than I thought I would when this started so all in all it was good. I hope the top 8 all die in a fire after they crash at full speed ;D
If anything, it's an honest mistake. I don't have the file in front of me, and I spent most of my time making sure that I transcribed the numbers into the writeups. I checked a couple for shits and giggles, but apparently that wasn't enough.
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Give me your two songs with your top two lines.
Interesting...
Yeah... given the most influential music in my life is from the 70s and 80s, most of my "top" lyrical lines will be from banned artists. Could take a couple days to ponder what is appropriate, and not banned.
Thank you for putting that into words for me. :lol Yeah exactly. My favorite lines are by my favorite artists. Which are banned.
Not a minor point: no artist is "BANNED" per se. Some are harder to get through that's all. If you can find a Kiss song I've not heard I'm open to that.
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Kade :lol
Just the way I wanted to go out in this roulette! ;D
:lol
What the actual fuck? I was second las round and now I'm out? Can I ask for a re-count of the votes or something?
I knew the guy was somewhat of a hit or miss but I truly thought I was safe. I honestly did a lot better than I thought I would when this started so all in all it was good. I hope the top 8 all die in a fire after they crash at full speed ;D
Holy shit that escalated quickly :lol
Especially now that Nekov himself is in Top 8. :biggrin:
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("I got pictures of naked ladies lying on their beds, I whiff that smell and sweet convulsion!" isn't going to fly in this round, Kade!)
Don't have to worry about what I'm sending mate. :lol
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Hey, I realised I didn't have a chance in hell to get through, but I'm very glad you enjoyed my band's song. It's always nice to turn people onto your music, even though I don't really brag about that stuff here. Like last time, the results show that our tastes don't align as much as with some other participants and that's completely fine. I didn't play to win, but I do hope I sent you some stuff you liked and that you can check out in the future. Thanks for hosting and thanks for having me be a part of it!
Oh, and for the next round (EDIT: See PM, I might steals someone's thunder if I post what I would have sent here..)
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Okay, so there is good news and bad news. Which do you want first?
I checked and rechecked the numbers and the math. So Scorpion is in, Jingle is out, and Sacul is in first place now. That sounds right, right?
Seriously, good news is, I rechecked the math. There was a mistkae (see what I did there?), but unfortunately for Nekov, it was NOT in the "TOTAL" column, it was in the "Round 5" column. If you go to the write-up, which is correct, you'll see he earned a 14.5, whereas it (wrongly) has "17.0" in the spreadsheet. I can only guess that when I put the colors on the cells, somehow a couple cell values got replaced by mistake. All is corrected and here is the revised standings (I do not believe anything has changed in terms of finalists). Go Patriots (see what I did there?)!
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The bad news, of course, is that some are still cursed with the fate of a fiery crash.
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Uh, I still see an error. You have me in the loser's lane.
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Thanks for hosting! I liked thinking about the themes even though I didn't really had time to really think about them ;p
Hope you will check out some artist I sent!
(Btw the song is named: Am I Wry? No)
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Glad you liked the songs I sent. Check out the rest of the Bone Crown album. It really is quite good and I'd probably put it in my top 10 of all time. I was a bit worried when you started talking about the band name.
Most of my favorite lines from music you'd have already heard but I'll come up with something.
The scores reset now that the finals are upon us right? ;D
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Fair question that I've been kicking around for a while now. I'm against resetting the scores, since I want to have some reward for those that did well in the first five rounds; I don't want to make this a free-for-all. But I put it to the group (all can vote, but the excluded people's votes only count in the case of a tie, and OPTION THREE will only win if it is unanimous):
OPTION ONE:
Nothing fancy. Keep the scores, no reset, and just play it out.
OPTION TWO:
No reset, but if you have the high score in the round, you automatically get to move on to the next round (since every round is an elimination round from here on out). Bear in mind, every round has had a clear winner except one, and that was a two-way tie.
OPTION THREE:
Reset scores to zero.
You can vote anonymously by sending your vote to me in PM.
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I’m all for keeping the scores! :lol
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I have no strong feelings on the matter. It’s yourroulette 😀
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From the OP
This is a themed roulette using a NASCAR championship structure. Eight rounds - each round with a theme. After five, the top eight go head to head in the "Chase" (rounds 6, 7, and 8). You win one of the first five rounds, you're automatically in. The remaining spots will be filled by points. Sixth round (with 8 contestants): four go on, four go home. Seventh round (with 4 contestants): two go on, two go home. Eight round (with 2 contestants): one wins, one cries.
Help me out here boss... I"m confused as a baby in a topless bar.
So, the 5 'winners' from rounds 1-5 are:
1: Indy/Scorp... Indy graduates to the Chase
2: TAC
3: King
4: TAC/Jingle... Tie goes to the Canuck :biggrin: (I assume, since TAC is already a round winner)
5: Romdrums
Leaving the remainder of the actual Top 8 to fill out the Chase round (tough titties to the bottom 8... none of them won a round to compensate for being in the bottom 8 :-\).
Now, what is the head-to-head format? Everyone vs everyone and the top 4 scores move on? Or is it like a playoff format ... 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5? Something else?
If it's just top 4 scores, as much as I'd like that... it makes it VERY difficult for the bottom 4 to overcome. Though, in most sports 'regular season' performance is to be rewarded. TAC won the pole position, and wouldn't be relegated to a level playing field in NASCAR.
I don't understand Option 2 - doesn't the highest score naturally move on? In what scenario would the highest score be eliminated? Serious question, I really don't understand what you're trying to say with this option.
Ultimately, your the host, and you set the rules and guidelines. Not sure we as the players should also be the competition committee that sets the rules. :biggrin:
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I"m confused as a baby in a topless bar.
Hey, quit stealing my sig.......oh wait... :biggrin:
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From the OP
This is a themed roulette using a NASCAR championship structure. Eight rounds - each round with a theme. After five, the top eight go head to head in the "Chase" (rounds 6, 7, and 8). You win one of the first five rounds, you're automatically in. The remaining spots will be filled by points. Sixth round (with 8 contestants): four go on, four go home. Seventh round (with 4 contestants): two go on, two go home. Eight round (with 2 contestants): one wins, one cries.
Help me out here boss... I"m confused as a baby in a topless bar.
So, the 5 'winners' from rounds 1-5 are:
1: Indy/Scorp... Indy graduates to the Chase
2: TAC
3: King
4: TAC/Jingle... Tie goes to the Canuck :biggrin: (I assume, since TAC is already a round winner)
5: Romdrums
Leaving the remainder of the actual Top 8 to fill out the Chase round (tough titties to the bottom 8... none of them won a round to compensate for being in the bottom 8 :-\).
Now, what is the head-to-head format? Everyone vs everyone and the top 4 scores move on? Or is it like a playoff format ... 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5? Something else?
If it's just top 4 scores, as much as I'd like that... it makes it VERY difficult for the bottom 4 to overcome. Though, in most sports 'regular season' performance is to be rewarded. TAC won the pole position, and wouldn't be relegated to a level playing field in NASCAR.
I don't understand Option 2 - doesn't the highest score naturally move on? In what scenario would the highest score be eliminated? Serious question, I really don't understand what you're trying to say with this option.
Ultimately, your the host, and you set the rules and guidelines. Not sure we as the players should also be the competition committee that sets the rules. :biggrin:
Uh, I totally forgot that I wrote that; I've actually been agonizing over that - win a round and you're in - since about midway through the third round. Huh. That makes it easy. I was also very reluctant to "change the rules as we go", but I don't have to do that.
Win, and you're in, remaining field filled out by top scores. Top eight doesn't change, so that's good (whew!!) but forget the last couple posts (No vote, no changes, no (more) nonsense). We're keeping the scores, so TAC, Jingle, etc. get some advantage from being good over the first five rounds, but whoever wins this is automatically in the top four, the remaining three to be filled in by the best composite score, ties broken by best round.
Thank you, Chad (seriously).
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Still working on a second song...
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Ok... now I get it (I think). Eg... if Lowdz gets the best score, but ends up in 5th based on cumulative score over the 6 rounds, he still moves on, and the 4th place dude is S.O.L.
If I gots that right, will that condition still apply in round 7 when it's down to the top 4? The 4th place dude gets the best score, still ends up 4th, but moves on, and the #2 dude is S.O.L.?
Seems legit (serious).
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I have sent for the next round!
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Ok... now I get it (I think). Eg... if Lowdz gets the best score, but ends up in 5th based on cumulative score over the 6 rounds, he still moves on, and the 4th place dude is S.O.L.
If I gots that right, will that condition still apply in round 7 when it's down to the top 4? The 4th place dude gets the best score, still ends up 4th, but moves on, and the #2 dude is S.O.L.?
Seems legit (serious).
Yep, that's it. I get it that it might seem a little unfair in the immediate, but I think I have to give some chance for the last place to win, but there's also the fact that, the first and second places are there for a reason.
One final clarification point though: Last round - the final two - IS head to head. In the last round, past scores don't matter, it's who wins the round.
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I think that's actually the fairest way to give everyone a chance, while still respecting the value of scoring well in the first 5 rounds.
And I'm not just kissing ass. Well, maybe a little. :biggrin:
Just typing up my PM.
Edit: Sent. Pulling out some big guns now.
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Sent.
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and for once I'll give some clarity: If your favorite line is "The love you take is equal to the love you make" and you send in The End, you'll either get it rejected (Beatles!) or you'll get your score for the song, your two points for the theme, and zero for the creativity. The creativity on this one is HOW YOU GET THE LINE IN.
I honestly don't understand the "how you get the line in" part for creativity. Are my mediocre English skills to blame?
Edit: doesn't really matter though, I know what I'm going out with.
Edit2: And sent!
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sent.
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For as much as I thought I would be wrestling with what song/lyric to send, both tracks ended up being the ones that were my very first thoughts when I saw the theme.
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Same here.
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Sent. Regretting it already. Had a few different ideas for the first time this roulette. Wished I could send six songs this time.
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I think I've demolished every record for corniest submission ever, but send did I.
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I will send tonight.
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Sent. Regretting it already. Had a few different ideas for the first time this roulette. Wished I could send six songs this time.
Sometimes life hands you a gift. I think I have to reject one of your songs; you can resubmit the one or if they are a "pair" you can resubmit both.
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:corn
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:corn
Me waiting for
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I believe I'm the 10 car in that gif
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Stadler's version of NASCAR:
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:rollin
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Stadler did you misquote the Black lyrics on purpose?
Yes; I've always heard it as "sun" and that makes more sense to me, but I realize the official lyrics are "star".
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First off, let me start by saying "Bite me."
Good round; here’s where the rubber meets the road. As a collective comment, I didn’t see a lot of places to apply that extra “creativity” point, so I gave everyone zeros on that, but let those be warned, that’s a good way to create some distance. I like music as a general proposition, so scores are generally high here (I think the EIGHTH place average is an 8), so that means there’s not a lot of gap. But I’m not here to strategize for you, now, am I? When I said “creativity in getting the line in”, I was thinking that someone would send, say, a Dio or Jon Anderson line (two of the greatest philosophers in modern philosophy) but knowing they were likely banned, getting it in via a cover, or demo version or something like that. Also, this seemed to be the round for “repeat bands”. I think I got three of these bands in past roulettes; still acceptable since it wasn’t the same song (with one exception, fixed!) and I’m not well-versed in the bands.
For the record, some very cool “favorite lines”. My favorite: Echolyn, “Past Gravity”, “She’d love to fly, but the sky won’t hold her.”
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INDISCIPLINE – 15.5
Hedwig And The Angry Inch 5.5 2 0 7.5
A Man Of No Importance – Love Who You Love 6 2 0 8
I really don’t mind musical theater; some of it is really compelling and transcendent. I liked this, and the lyrics were as powerful as you indicated. But the first song – I’m assuming that was John Cameron Mitchell – was full of promise that it didn’t deliver. That end section (“The origin of love…. Woooo!”) just screamed “MEAT LOAF”, but it didn’t have Meat Loaf’s flair or theatrics. This is why “musical theater” sometimes suffers; in my opinion you need over the top without being too over the top. If that makes sense. He (JCM) gave it all he had but it seemed to fall short for me. I would not say the same for “Love Who You Love”. I liked that; I don’t know for certain who that is (Roger Rees?), but I liked that. It got to the heart of things and had the investment that the song needed. I don’t know that I’d go back to Hedwig, but I’d go for Robin Colcord again (you get a metaphorical point if you get that reference!)
KINGSHMEGLAND - 15.5
Echolyn – Past Gravity 6 2 0 8
The Feeling - Strange 5.5 2 0 7.5
I’ve gotten Echolyn in my other roulette; I thought this was really a beautiful song and a wonderful lyrical idea. It’s actually a really fine example of how music (how THE music) can really reinforce a lyric or complement a lyric. This is a truly powerful and moving song (and now the second from that band that falls in that category; added to the list!). I liked the second one as well; not as much as the a-side but I liked it. At first I identified with the lyric but thought it a little obvious, but there’s a nugget in there: the part about “makes them feel they own you better” and that really hit the target (since I have a situation just like that here at home).
JINGLE.BOY – 16.5
Hardline – In The Hands Of Time 6.5 2 0 8.5
Threshold – The Hours 6 2 0 8
Probably the song I was most looking forward to, once I saw the submissions. BIG Neal Schon fan, and while I love all the Journey stuff, the fusion stuff, and the early Santana-esque stuff, I think he’s underrated as a ROCK (or “rocking”) guitarist. He’s got a neat way of adding balls to what would otherwise be schlock in lesser hands. Not that this is schlock; this is good. The guy should be in “Runaway”, the local Bon Jovi cover band, he sounds so much like young Jon; that’s a good thing. The song had me at that soaring chorus: “Whoa-o-oooooo, o-o-ooooo… Yeah! It’s in the hands of time!” I could listen to that all day long. I just might when this roulette is done… Now, the second song; at first it was okay; it’s a band I’ve heard before in my last roulette (and liked the song a lot), and of course I read your comment and I identified with the lyric in question IMMEDIATELY, as I have a similar experience (though different outcomes). I went back, though, and looked at the lyrics separately, and they REALLY resonated on a couple levels. That gave new appreciation to the song, and I found myself going back to that song again and again during the listening. It’s not the song of the round – that’s your other song or TAC’s a-side – but it was the “grower” of the round by a long shot.
TAC – 16.0
Armored Saint – Tainted Past 6.5 2 0 8.5
Loch Vostok – Expiry Date Of The Soul Of Man 5.5 2 0 7.5
Armored Saint; shock of the round. I can’t exactly say what I was expecting here, but it wasn’t that! What a pleasant surprise too; VERY melodic (my thing) and John Bush can SING. I know this is an odd thing, but with the name “Armored Saint” and his work in Anthrax, I always got a sort of “Phil Anselmo” vibe from him; not the racist stuff, but just “METAL UP YOUR ASS!” kind of vibe. But that was a really poignant song and some really thoughtful phrases in there. Add that to the sort of “’70’s” vibe of the music (honestly, I thought “Guess Who” at one point) it was a real winner. The second song was good – and in my opoinon, had the better line; I agree with you on your note – but it didn’t grab me in the same immediate way. It grew on me on repeated listens, but it was at best a decent track. (GREAT band name, though.)
V-CHLORTHO – 15.0
Blue October – Hate Me 5.5 2 0 7.5
Cowboy Junkies – To Live Is To Fly 5.5 2 0 7.5
Hmmm; two good – not great – songs, with some really poignant thoughts. I too thought that verse from “Hate Me” was a really vivid way of describing dark impulses without it being salacious. And I’m a big fan of Margo Timmons, and have been for some time now. My problem is that I like her a lot more than her band. I’m not the hugest Cowboy Junkies fan, though like anyone from that time, you have to know (or know of) “The Trinity Sessions”. Problem here is that the songs themselves kind of got swallowed up by their competition.
ROMDRUMS – 15.5
Shattered Skies – You Will Know My Name 5.5 2 0 7.5
Karnivool 6 2 0 8
I liked the song; the keyboard hook was really catchy; the verses lost me a little bit, but the chorus was good and I liked how the singer projected that “You Will Know My Name” isn’t exactly a good thing. He sang it almost like a threat! That caught me. Karnivool is another band in my insane world of “preconceived notions”. I’ve heard them somewhere along the line – second band to be a repeat from a past roulette, but for whatever reason the name conjures up “Insane Clown Posse” nonsense. (And imagine my surprise when I learned where the name came from…; imagine my additional surprise when I read my writeup for the other song by them and it was almost identical, except with “Five Finger Death Punch” instead of ICP). Having shared too much there, I’ll say that the song was good. I get that it’s one song, but I don’t hear any of the bands that were mentioned as “contemporaries” in the Wiki article I read, except for Tool. There’s a hard core Tool vibe in the way the song ebbs and flows, which is really cool (that crescendo at about 4:00 almost made the entire song) and a good thing. I got almost zero Audioslave or Velvet Revolver, though, which, even though I like those bands, is also a good thing. About the only thing I didn’t care for was the quivery, Maynard-like aspect to some of the vocals. Didn’t’ ruin the song, or anything, but prevented it from being transcendent to me.
EVERMIND – 16.0
Beyond The Bridge – The Difference Is Human 6 2 0 8
Beyond The Bridge – All A Man Can Do 6 2 0 8
Well, no one can accuse you of playing it safe! First time I heard this I thought “WTF!?”. It seemed like a different song, different tempo, different band, different singer… every 35 seconds. By the third or fourth time, it just seemed… right. Same with your quote: I was like, okay, that’s meaningful, I guess but not really to me. Then having heard the song, heard that EPIC chorus (“My heart is a ponderer; my soul is a wanderer…”) it just fell into place, and made a lot of sense. Even to me (though in a different context). I also liked the way the second song wrapped up the thought in such a satisfying way. At first I didn’t think the song was quite as good as the first one, but it’s just that the build was slower and more deliberate. At first I thought It was a vehicle for the idea more than the idea itself, but I think the music came to symbolize the process of deliberation, of realization of the answer. This was a REALLY good round for you; good stuff here.
LOWDZ – 15.0
Giant – I Can’t Let Go 5.5 2 0 7.5
Danny Vaughn – Is That All There Is 5.5 2 0 7.5
I liked the first song; good singing, good playing, but it didn’t really stick with me. For all the metal ballads out there, bro! (I’m joshing with you). I toyed with giving a half a point for the favorite line being silence, and at first I wasn’t sure where you were talking about, then, like a squeaky wheel, it became something I couldn’t not hear (you didn’t get the point, though. ). As for Danny Vaughn, I’m familiar with him from Tyketto and being on with Eddie Trunk; I think he’s a really good singer; I just didn’t really dig the song too much. It had a sort of quasi-country feel to it that didn’t really ring authentic to me. Again, I like his singing, I just didn’t think this was the best example of it. I appreciated the sentiment, though.
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Jingle wins the race, and gets to the next round. The next three, on points, get in. I sincerely thank the others for their time, patience, and interest in my roulette. It was a pleasure to listen to your music (I mean that).
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Well, if I was to go out, Beyond the Bridge is a really good way to go out. Thanks for hosting this!
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Glad that hit the mark. That guitar solo from Schon is one of my Top 5 all time solos. Still gives me chills to this day.
Well, if I was to go out, Beyond the Bridge is a really good way to go out. Thanks for hosting this!
Damn right... couple of great choices there, Ruslan.
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OK, what is the next theme?
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TAC – 16.0
Armored Saint – Tainted Past 6.5 2 0 8.5
Armored Saint; shock of the round. I can’t exactly say what I was expecting here, but it wasn’t that! What a pleasant surprise too; VERY melodic (my thing) and John Bush can SING. I know this is an odd thing, but with the name “Armored Saint” and his work in Anthrax, I always got a sort of “Phil Anselmo” vibe from him; not the racist stuff, but just “METAL UP YOUR ASS!” kind of vibe. But that was a really poignant song and some really thoughtful phrases in there. Add that to the sort of “’70’s” vibe of the music (honestly, I thought “Guess Who” at one point) it was a real winner.
Glad you liked it. Armored Saint is fantastic. John Bush is an amazing lyricist, and has given me a number of my all time favorite lyrics.
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OK, what is the next theme?
You read my mind. Gonna be a tight finish coming into the home stretch - 0.5 point separations.
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Seems I blew Puppies' roulette in the second to last round. Can't blow this one.
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Thanks for hosting this. It was fun.
Oh and Symbol of Salvation is a great album!
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Jingle - awesome getting Threshold in. :) :metal
Keep sending him Threshold songs until he agrees to come to PPUSA.
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Okay, so... this might be a hard one.
I got a disk, well, a three-CD set, cheap at Walmart and it had a disk of songs, including these:
https://youtu.be/TKANv_XQRss
https://youtu.be/uGgua6BwQoA
(The first one is worth watching, because it's a video. Interesting to see him without the hat, but already with his eyes closed while he sings! The second one is worth listening to, because, well, it really IS a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll.)
And I thought, interesting to see them - two of the biggest rock stars in the world - before they was famous. And that's the theme: "Before They Were Famous". Only criteria: substantially different band. For example, don't send something off "When Dream And Day Unite"; yeah, they changed singers (which was a MATERIAL change) but they still play most of those songs and in fact have done the entire album - albeit live - with the new singer.
I don't have anything specifically in mind for "creativity", but certainly the more thought that goes into the selection, the better chance of there being additional points assigned. I'm banking on the four remaining having a pretty extensive musical knowledge base.
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Ooh..that's interesting..
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I guess just sending a band that's not famous doesn't count?
Methinks this is gonna require some deep digging thru the library.
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Sent.
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Sent.
WOW!!
I've got one. Just gotta pick the right song.
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I'm still trying to decide how broadly I can define "famous". :lol
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Sent.
WOW!!
I've got one. Just gotta pick the right song.
I was inspired. ;D
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For the record, I received Romdrums' PM BEFORE I hit "Send" on the post. :) :) :) :yarr
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Sented!
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Couldn't catch the safety car at the last lap!
Seriously, I'll gladly take the result and final placement, 'cause I feel I couldn't possibly provide the same level of competence offered by the four daredevil drivers ahead of me.
The kind host has been thanked elsewhere, therefore the only thing left to do is to wish the survivors a wonderful race.
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Thanks for making room for me Stadler, especially after I missed the initial sign up - we have a lot of musical common ground so i wanted to be in.
I enjoyed it. The themes were a new roulette twist for me and made it harder, but it was fun. I instantly regretted my choices after sending. There are better Giant songs than I sent but I stuck with the theme, and think I deserved the point for creativity as that was the only reason I sent that song 😀
Jingle leading a roulette? Donald Trump president of the USA? I guess anything can happen in this world?
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To be fair, Tim is technically leading. I just had the fastest lap.
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Speaking of before they were famous, here's a young Stadler at Jimmy Carter's SOTU..
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I've held a grudge against my sister ever since; she was supposed to throw me elbow if I nodded off. Slacker.
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Stadler, maybe once everyone is in, you can post all of the pre famous people, and maybe we can try and match them to the participants.
I mean, something to kill the next two weeks before we get results. :P
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Can do. But it won't be two weeks, I can promise you that. Four people, eight songs, I can bang that out in 10 days, tops. :)
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Can do. But it won't be two weeks, I can promise you that. Four people, eight songs, I can bang that out in 10 days, tops. :)
Not if I keep holding out!
JK... you'll have my songs in a couple hours. Just need to decide whether to go metal or not.
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Everyone in?
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No. I have to resend one song. I'll have it in tomorrow. I've got a birthday party to go to in 1 hour.
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Saculshmegland.
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Kingshmeglate
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While I wait, I am enjoying perhaps the song of the ROULETTE, not just the round.
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While I wait, I am enjoying perhaps the song of the ROULETTE, not just the round.
Normally, I'd be willing to wager next week's pay cheque. But since it's commission week, I'll just drop a c-note to say it is NOT one of my submissions.
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Good round; as to be expected in a championship round I got eight solid as a rock submissions. I struggled – of my own accord – with how to judge “creativity” in this round, and so I decided, somewhat arbitrarily – to afford two points (one point for each competitor going to the finals) for what I thought were the most outrageous submittal and the most… shall we say “dangerous” submittal.
TAC: 17.0
Fandango – Thief In The Night 5.5 2 0 7.5
Elf – Wonderworld 6.5 2 1 9.5
So…I’m a Blackmore fanboy, with no apologies. I like Deep Purple Marks I, II, III, IIa, IV and IIb. I like Rainbow Marks I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, and VIII (basically, one per album!). I even like Blackmore’s Night. But I’ve been stingy with the “family bands”. I’ve never heard even one song from Episode Six (Gillan Glover’s band before Purple), I ignore the Purple with Tommy Bolin, the only Graham Bonnet I listen to without Blackmore has Michael Schenker or Yngwie on it. So it’s not far-fetched that I’ve never heard Fandango, and I’ve only heard one Elf song. I liked, not loved, the Fandango. It’s got the 70’s drums (with the double-tracked bongos!) and it’s the worst side of JLT’s lyrics, but it’s also JLT singing (which I love) so there’s that. Good middle-of-the-road hard rock.
Elf. I love Dio in Rainbow, Sabbath, solo, so you’d think I’d know and love this. But the only Elf I’ve heard was everything I don’t like about the first Rainbow record; very country-ish without the charm of outlaw country. Corny lyrics that rely more on cliché than any real insight (like he’d later show with “Well if it seems to be real, it's illusion… For every moment of truth, there's confusion in life. Love can be seen as the answer, but nobody bleeds for the dancer!”). So I wasn’t all that optimistic. Then I heard it. I LOVED this song. Song of the round, certainly, but perhaps the song of the roulette. Even you conceded that this isn’t really indicative of the rest of the band’s output, but my god did this strike a chord. When they come out of the break, and you get that vintage Ronnie: “So sail away, into the sun, because I’m everyone!” … no, it makes NO sense, but who cares? He sings it like it’s the key to unlocking life eternal!!! You also got the bonus point, because for all I write about metal and Sabbath and Dio, to find the ONE SONG among the 25 Elf songs that wasn’t a cheesy rock song called “Rocking Chair Rock and Roll Blues” or “Shotgun Boogie” or “Black Swampy Water” or…
Jingle: 15.5
Poison – Stand 6 2 0 8
Poison – Theater Of The Soul 5.5 2 0 7.5
Okay, so fuck you for making me think. This is my roulette, it’s supposed to be fun to watch YOU squirm. Haha. Kidding. Now, with Poison with Richie Kotzen, I respectfully think you’re on the edge of both of the “before he was famous” and “famous” (Kotzen is not the household name or legend that Joel or Dio are) but that didn’t impact your score any. The songs are solid. I’m not the hugest Poison fan, in that they were sort of the worst of all the bad things that came out of LA in that time, without many of the good. They weren’t stellar musicians (Slash – almost an early member of the band, can, in my opinion, play circles around CC Deville, and while Brett is passable, he’s no Axl Rose or Kevin DuBrow or Jack Russell) , they overdid the makeup (only Twisted Sister – not an LA band – came close for ridiculousness) and their songs were a little simple, relying on sexual innuendo without the sheer brass and character of a guy like Roth (before their time) or even Vince Neil, who for all his faults, at least lived the lifestyle for better or worse (he can’t sing, but no one can call Vince Neil a poser). They did have a knack for hitting the right note. By any standard, “Every Rose…” is a great tune, and to me, it’s a tribute that basically any first year guitar player can cover it. You sent me the best parts of Poison, amped up with some stellar musical cred. I really REALLY liked “Stand” in that it should have been a bag of clichés but it wasn’t. It had some substance to it (and yes, I liked the lyrics; thanks for the compliment), showcased Kotzen’s tasteful playing, and played right into the strengths of Brett’s voice (it doesn’t seem it, but I’m a fan of Brett Michaels the man, if not all of his music). The second song wasn’t as strong, but it’s still pretty good; this is meat and potatoes rock, and that’s not a bad thing. Most of my collection is basically meat and potatoes rock, and as long as you don’t burn the steak or leave lumps in the potatoes, you’re good.
Romdrums: 15.5
Exotic Birds – Dancing On The Airwaves 5.5 2 0 7.5
How We Live – Dry Land 6 2 0 8
I don’t mind the genre, I don’t mind the 80’s electronic pop vibe of Exotic Birds, and it’s a treat to hear a different side to Trent Reznor, who I admire as a musician, but whose music doesn’t do a ton for me. It just wasn’t a song that moved me much. I generally do like this kind of music – I can remember when MTV first started, and played this stuff on the regular – but I think it’s a bit lacking. I didn’t know this when I scored it, but little of it is really Trent’s muse, so I don’t feel too bad about it not clicking. By all accounts he played keys and programmed, but didn’t sing lead or write the song (though he did appear with his Exotic Birds bandmates as the band in “Light Of Day” with Michael J. Fox).
Hmm. “Dry Land”. I love Marillion, and even though I’m a Fish guy at heart, the Hogarth years have provided a lot of entertainment, and the four times or so that I’ve seen them have all been with H. I LOVE Season’s End; one of Marillion’s best, but I feel like Holidays In Eden was a real step back and to this day one of my least favorite albums. I will give you this: the song was fully formed, and Marillion didn’t really f*** with it much when they rerecorded it, but that to me just highlighted the problems with that record. In fact, I think I prefer this version to the Marillion one, simply because I know what Marillion can do, and they didn’t! It’s a good song, though, and I like Hogarth as a singer, so it gets a decent score.
Kingshmegland: 16.5
Attila – Wonder Woman 6 2 0 8
The First Edition – Tell It All Brother 5.5 2 1 8.5
King, if nothing else, no one could ever accuse you of playing it safe, or taking the easy way out. Two ballsy picks if you ask me. I’m a huge – HUGE – Billy Joel fan, and have been since my grandma bought me “The Stranger” on vinyl back in the day. It’s still one of my favorite albums ever. I was just listening to “An Innocent Man” last night (that title track; GTFO). I’ve actually heard the one Attila song that is on the Billy Joel box set, and it’s… well, Billy keeps calling it “heavy metal” and it’s not, not by any standard I can name. Yeah, it’s loud, and it sounds a shade like Robert Plant jamming with Deep Purple, but I wouldn’t call it “heavy metal”. But I liked it; it’s stupid (“wonder woman, you got me in a spin; Jesus Christ, I can’t believe the shape I’m in!”) but I dig that 70’s Hammond, drums-by-a-crazy-man, and “hey I just bought a wah-wah pedal!” guitar sound (it’s a keyboard), and this confirms what I’ve long suspected: that Billy Joel can sing ANYTHING and is a far better singer than he gets credit for.
And to the second song. WTF. I’m not turned off to the Kenny Rogers (I too grew up with a mom who listened to him) and I think he’s an amazing singer (even if some of his material is safe; I hate that song “Islands In The Stream”) but you’ve got huevos grande for sending that video. The song is pretty good for what it was – a dated quasi-hippy anthem - but the best part is the duet with Dino (“Whatever turns you in, Ken.”) at the end. And for the record, Dean at LEAST made out with Thelma back stage. She was digging him big time. I’m giving you a bonus point for not only pulling that out of left field, but in fact, pulling it out of the parking lot, beyond the left field fence. 😊
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I remember reading th as t Kenny didn't start doing country music so I was as always fascinated with that. He looks so damn young. Lol
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I thought of Billy Joel too, knowing Stadler is a fan. Actually listened to a couple of tunes from The Hassles. :lol
But Joel wasn't the main vocalist.
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How did you post results from your phone?
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Tim wondering how Stadler did it......
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:lol
...or Stadler doing it!
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One final clarification point though: Last round - the final two - IS head to head. In the last round, past scores don't matter, it's who wins the round.
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Technology is in my DNA. Complicated algorithm with Imgur and that little button that looks like a picture. Or just a healthy dose of dumb luck.
Jingle, did I fuck up again or are you just talking smack with TAC?
So here we are. Batman vs. Joker. Obi Wan vs. Darth Vader. Spy vs. Spy. James vs. The Giant Peach.
Good vs. Evil. Which, of course is your theme.
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Good vs. Evil. Which, of course is your theme.
OK...on it!
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When I saw Kingshmegland sent Attila, I assumed it was this band https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIgBj-G1Vj0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIgBj-G1Vj0) :lol
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Technology is in my DNA. Complicated algorithm with Imgur and that little button that looks like a picture. Or just a healthy dose of dumb luck.
Jingle, did I fuck up again or are you just talking smack with TAC?
So here we are. Batman vs. Joker. Obi Wan vs. Darth Vader. Spy vs. Spy. James vs. The Giant Peach.
Good vs. Evil. Which, of course is your theme.
Smack... definitely talking smack.
So, one song is good; the other evil? Or am I good, and TAC is evil?
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I'm Batman and you're a fucking joker! :samsara:
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I'm Batman and you're a fucking joker! :samsara:
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When I saw Kingshmegland sent Attila, I assumed it was this band https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIgBj-G1Vj0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIgBj-G1Vj0) :lol
:lol
Billy Joel Screamo.
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I'm Batman and you're a fucking joker! :samsara:
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Pretty sure that guy is dead, right. ;D
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Real life. In the movie.... no.
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Once again, I wasn't sure how/where I'd find inspiration for the theme, but once I did, the first two songs that came to mind fit the bill.
Tim...
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P.S. Stads... change the thread title already - you're 3 rounds behind yourself.
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I'll be sending this afternoon. I feel like I'm missing an obvious song.
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P.S. Stads... change the thread title already - you're 3 rounds behind yourself.
Huh; I've been changing it in the subject line of the results posts; it must not be taking. Hmm.
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yeah it only updates if you change the original post's title
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My god, is this the same roulette I was playing in? Where’d the metal go? 😀
Poison ❤️. Nice one Chad.
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SENT!!!
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My god, is this the same roulette I was playing in? Where’d the metal go? 😀
Poison ❤️. Nice one Chad.
Hahaha
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Tim vs Chad hey? Interesting.
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So... do I draw this out or rip the band-aid right off? Maybe a little of both?
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What do YOU want to do.
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What do YOU want to do.
Torture you guys and draw this out into next week. Maybe even the week after. :) But I may be overestimating the interest or the degree to which anyone is on pins and noodles here. ;)
Seriously, I'm likely going to start posting some stuff this afternoon. I think we have a winner and I just have to finish writing up some stuff.
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Sweet. Interested in seeing what the others sent.
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I know two guys on pins and needles.
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Here we are, the finale. Good v. Evil. I started having regrets about the theme – pedestrian, predictable, not really inspiring a ton of creativity – but the submissions put that to rest almost immediately. The problem for me, though is that some of these bands – Spiral Key, Echoes – seem to be obscure enough where there’s not a ton of info about them, so it was hard to really ascertain any depth to the theme, nor any way to establish any real separation between the two (on that level). If any of you watch “Guy’s Grocery Games” (which I do religiously) you know my dilemma: one submission played the game slightly better, one submission got the blocking and tackling of the songs slightly better. This is a photo-finish, but upon further inspection, we have a winner. The champion is
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TAC
My problem with 95% of the music I don’t care for is the vocals. I don’t think I’ve ever listened to a song and went, “wow, this guitar player sucks. No thanks!”. Hell, I like Twisted Sister! 😊 And such is the case here; the vocals weren’t up to the standards of the rest of the song. But, the song was good. I had a hard time finding a lyric sheet (I know it was a lyric video, but I read way faster than they sing so it’s hard to follow the line of thought). I’m curious enough to want to know more, even if it’s just to suss out the role of the cat in this; is the cat evil? Or is it tongue in cheek, since just about every reference to the band talks of their “dark humor”? I didn’t find much about the band either, so I’m kind of floating here.
Theocracy is just the opposite. Nice touch with the Christian Rock song; not necessarily my thing, but I’m open minded and I love Neal, so there. One thing we don’t talk about a lot on this site is the vibe from music; I LOVE positivity in music. I don’t need preaching, I don’t need messages, but I general go to music to be lifted; it’s not a small part of why Going For The One is my favorite album, and Genesis might be my favorite band. When they sing “Glory! Glory! Hope is alive!” you don’t have to be a Christian or grasp the resurrection allegory to be boosted by that, and it certainly resonated with me. Liked the “Priest-like” guitars at the 5:00-5:30 mark.
Jingle
This has kind of a mix of the comments for Theocracy and Spiral Key here; nice touch with the Christian rock song; also very positive and uplifting without being preachy or obnoxious. Likewise, I didn’t think the vocals were up to the standards of the rest of the song. But, the song was good. I especially liked the very Awake-esque section near the end. A lot of bands wear their DT influence on their sleeve, but it’s invariably Metropolis II era, not the earlier (and in my view, just as interesting) Moore-era work.
In contrast, I liked the Echoes, because I thought the vocals fit the music very well. I listened to the intro section, because, well, it’s not really enjoyable to just have songs plucked out of nowhere, and I’m rather deferential to the artist intent. Another band that I couldn’t find a ton of info on, though I did get the lyrics. I liked the contrast of external “good v. evil” and the internal struggle of “good v. evil”.
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Congrats Tim.
As for the Affector tune... definitely Metropolis II era - since Jordan is the guest keyboard soloist. You really don't like Ted Leonard's vocals eh? Twice you took a subtle jab at them (this tune, and the Thought Chamber one). Oh well... I have no regrets.
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That’s nice Chad, but he didn’t name a winner. Just thoughts on our songs.
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TAC: 18.0
Spiral Key – Dark Path 6 2 0.5 8.5
Theocracy – Easter 6.5 2 1 9.5
Jingle: 17.5
Affector – Harmagedon 5.5 2 1 8.5
Echoes – Epilogue…/Rude Awakening 6 2 1 9
Winner: TAC
Honestly, I know the points matter to you all and I respect that. So I gave them. But it was all relative. It could be 5, 5.5, 4.5, 5... I just know the Theocracy was slight more resonant than the difference in the game play. But mother of god, this was close. So grateful that you guys put that kind of effort into my roulette.
EDIT: Sorry for the delay; phone call came in and I had to take it. I didn't do that on purpose.
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Congrats Tim!!
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That’s nice Chad, but he didn’t name a winner. Just thoughts on our songs.
Perhaps... but I assumed the earlier two posts flowed into one another (ie, ending with "the champion is" then beginning with "TAC". Whether or not that was the case, you take the checkered flag anyway.
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The "The champion is" was not an "Octavarium-like" flow into the next post. I felt I had to call TAC and let him know of the win, and it went to voice mail the first two times.
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Oh awesome. I’ll be home around 5:00 and I’ll start gloating then. ;D
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Can't multitask Tim? :lol
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Can't multitask Tim? :lol
You mean you can piss AND sneeze at the same time?
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BTW, I smell home-town shenanigans!
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Well done Tim.
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Congratulations! :laugh:
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BTW, I smell
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Seriously, good game Chad! :)
Bill, loved the themes. I think that was a cool part of this roulette.
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Congrats Tim, the Tom Brady of roulettes.
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Thank you all for playing and playing along. I'm not sure I intended it to be so intense, but that made it special for me, and hopefully for you too. Certainly, my "Must Check Out" list is significant; I think at least half of you gave me something I need to dig into (and will).
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Again! Again! :corn