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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Darkstarshades on November 19, 2018, 12:43:10 PM
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The point is simple.
Which, according to you, is the band that has undergone the most changes in style and writing throughout their entire career? From their first CD to the last.
Also, I'm NOT talking about changing members, a band can actually change it's entire line-up and still sound fairly similar to what it used to be.
The example I'm citing here is Dark Moor
Guitar player has remained constant, but the entire line-up went through a lot of changes in the early 2000's which include a vocalist-second guitar-drummer-keyboardist change.
However, even after that change, their style remained intact, it wasn't until they managed to attain a stable line-up that they started to change their style a lot.
Here's a list of their CD's and an example of a song from each
1.- Shadowland (1999) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rjFqaoy7KM
2.- The Hall of Olden Dreams (2000) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZY9qyuXYgs
3.- The Gates of Oblivion (2002) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZV7IXpaKKE
-This is where pretty much everyone left the band but the guitar and bass player-
4.- The Dark Moor (2003) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVO5pWPu6O4
5.- Beyond the sea (2005) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrjaBEG69E4
-STABLE LINE-UP STARTS HERE-
6.- Tarot (2007) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZgEfQhSpBY
7.- Autumnal (2009) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHPWvAKzPE
8.- Ancestral Romance (2010) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT_zjSVmVjQ
9.- Ars Musica (2013) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pgRvvVCQGU
10.- Project X (2015) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjWoK1IEeYw
11.- Origins (2018, upcoming) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuOFArN15Ls
Sure as hell there are bands that changed a lot more, I'm just sharing this because this is my second favorite band after DT :biggrin:
Still, I'd like to add that this "change" has upset a lot of fans since at least Ancestral Romance. Also, another note, these songs where picked at random, I actually recommend a lot hearing the albums to get a better a idea, but I think this should work just fine.
Please tell me other examples, I'll be reading/listening!
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Katatonia, Opeth and The Gathering are the first ones that come to mind for me.
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Hi Ulver
Anathema also definitely counts
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Sentenced - from pure death metal to melodic/folk death metal to gothic/hard rock/metal.
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Therion - starting as black / death metal, ended up symphonic
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Anathema, Amorphis, Sonata Arctica, Opeth...
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I can't speak to the bands mentioned in the op. But as far as bands people have actually heard of, a few that come to mind would be:
-Ministry: Went from new wave to industrial metal
-Pantera: Went from hair metal to more brutal metal
I'm sure I could come up with others, given time. You can kind of make the argument for bands like Metallica, but I'm not sure that really qualifies for the type of drastic shift this thread is talking about.
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I can't speak to the bands mentioned in the op. But as far as bands people have actually heard of, a few that come to mind would be:
-Ministry: Went from new wave to industrial metal
-Pantera: Went from hair metal to more brutal metal
I'm sure I could come up with others, given time. You can kind of make the argument for bands like Metallica, but I'm not sure that really qualifies for the type of drastic shift this thread is talking about.
Metallica has tried some other sounds thoughout their time but they kind of always seek to return to their usual sound, and is not an actual shift in tne.
How could I forget about Pantera! you're right, that was crazy
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I think of AFI, who aren't metal or prog so most here probably don't know their music. It seems their sound changes every 2 albums. And they currently sound nothing like anything from their first three albums.
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I can't speak to the bands mentioned in the op. But as far as bands people have actually heard of, a few that come to mind would be:
Well the only band he mentioned was Dark Moor and I've heard more people talk about Dark Moor than I've ever heard people talk about Ministry. They're actually pretty popular and well known in the metal world
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I've heard more people talk about Dark Moor than I've ever heard people talk about Ministry.
Good for you?
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The Beatles and Queen
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In Flames.
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Edit - you know, it's not worth it.
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Actually yes, Bosk thought I was speaking of several bands, but not, it's actually a single band which people have indeed heard of.
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Actually yes, Bosk thought I was speaking of several bands, but not, it's actually a single band which people have indeed heard of.
Huh! Good for you!!!11
:yeahright
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Actually yes, Bosk thought I was speaking of several bands, but not, it's actually a single band which people have indeed heard of.
Huh! Good for you!!!11
:yeahright
I'm defending you dude, wtf
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Actually yes, Bosk thought I was speaking of several bands, but not, it's actually a single band which people have indeed heard of.
Huh! Good for you!!!11
:yeahright
I'm defending you dude, wtf
I know. I'm mocking bosk. :lol
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Funny (except not).
Now let's get the thread back on topic. Darkstarshades understood my point (although, apparently, *I* misunderstood that the original post was about only one band--I was skimming quickly and misread, and thought those album titles were other bands).
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Jeeze. Relax. :lol
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I've never heard of Dark Moor. I would have thought Ministry would be more well known, but just speculating.
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let's add:
Ulver
Radiohead
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I already added Ulver but I mean yeah they're basically impossible to top in this regard :P
When you go from making black metal to chill electronic to synth pop with some various other things in between, yeah
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I think Ulver wins mostly because they've reached a point where they could make a new album in just about any music style out there and nobody would be surprised. They would just say "yeah, this is Ulver". Another one would be Kayo Dot, having gone from avant-garde metal to whatever you want to call their last album (synthwave?), personally I love all of it. There's a lot of other good picks like Radiohead, Anathema, The Cure, Swans, Neurosis or King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard as well.
There's a lot of bands who have kinda transitioned from one thing to another (like Anathema/Opeth) but few that have gone through several different phases (Kayo Dot/The Cure/Swans) just as examples.
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Hi Ulver
Anathema also definitely counts
These were the ones I thought of as well, plus Opeth.
And yeah Ulver is pretty much the winner at this. They were already winning at it after, like, two or three albums.
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It took them five to release Perdition City, not counting EPs and soundtracks
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It took them five to release Perdition City, not counting EPs and soundtracks
Sure, but by that point they'd already had their first album be black metal and second album be acoustic folk. :lol
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That’s not really true. The first is more folk-metal influenced than black metal. The third is all-out black metal.
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I think their first three albums are all black metal though different flavors of such
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I have honestly seen the word Ulver more times in this single thread than in any other place in my life combined. Who is this Ulver? is it Mulva's brother?
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The Gathering are a good choice here.
Within Temptation have also changed a whole lot (and not really for the better).
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I think their first three albums are all black metal though different flavors of such
My point was that I don’t thinl they really ‘changed’ their style until Perdition City, so I think we agree. Themes (their never spoken about fourth album which is absolutely brilliant) is also more ‘metal’ than all their latter output combined, although you can lready hear some of the experimental stuff in there, so that’s why I took Perdition City as the first shift in style.
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I was coming here to say Pantera but I knew that was an obvious one!
I'll say RX Bandits, they went from straight up ska punk to a kinda space/prog rock. Their sound has changed a lot.
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How did we get to this point of the thread and not mentioned Rush, unless it is way too obvious? Unless going from Canadian Zeppelin to incorporating prog and sci-fi themes in their music to new wave and synths to going Adult Contemporary (and your mileage will vary if you think Counterparts is their way of trying to go Grunge) to adapting with the modern times in their last three albums does not count as changing a lot? Though I guess one may argue that they have maintained that hard rock sound, but twists and approaches it in many ways throughout their career.
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Yeah wow, Rush is an obvious one we definitely missed.
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I don't think Rush really qualify. They didn't really genre hop, even though their sound evolved. It was always basically hard rock, with some varying progressive elements.
I was going to say something similar in response to Adami's post. WT changed, but they never really departed much from their symphonic metal core.
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I don't think Rush really qualify. They didn't really genre hop, even though their sound evolved. It was always basically hard rock, with some varying progressive elements.
I was going to say something similar in response to Adami's post. WT changed, but they never really departed much from their symphonic metal core.
I don't know, I think they changed their sound enough from the 70's to the mid 80's to qualify. Maybe not as much as others mentioned though perhaps.
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I thought about Rush but wasn't really sure either. I have some others that I kind of feel could fit but don't really know.
The likes of Voivod and Killing Joke come to mind. Heck, Marillion went from a great prog band to playing sleepy time lullaby muzak.
Then you have bands that have gone off script for a while only to circle back. Yes comes to mind there with the Rabin years.
I'm slipping into OCD and over-analyzing things now.
Oh, Incubus. Similar to Marillion. Everything since Crow puts me to sleep. They went from crazy funk metal to rock to pop to zzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Another, Savatage.
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Rush is a really good example.
That said, DragonAttack had it right when he said The Beatles, who were the first, and most obvious, band I thought of when I saw this thread.
XTC would also have to be near the top.
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I have honestly seen the word Ulver more times in this single thread than in any other place in my life combined. Who is this Ulver? is it Mulva's brother?
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Ulver is a norwegian band who started off as a black metal band, then went through acoustic folk, went through an experimental avant-garde phase, then made electronic music, dabbed in some classical, then had a bit of an art rock period and their last album was like a Synthpop/new wave album. They've tried many different styles with good success and unlike some bands that fail cause of changing styles, Ulver has kinda managed to succeed despite of it.
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Spinal Tap.
From Listen to the Flower People, to Smell the Glove?
Almost a different band, I tell ya.
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Swans
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I agree about Dark Moor (I really love that run from "Tarot" to "Ars Musica").
I would say that Opeth, although I think they only have only really drastic change (from Watershed to Heritage).
I'm intrigued about this Ulver band, I will check it out.
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Scorpions.
Whitesnake
The Rolling Stones
The Kinks
Elvis Presley
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King Crimson
Individual Musicians?
Frank Zappa
Pat Metheny
David Bowie
Prince
Steven Wilson
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Corrosion of Conformity fit the bill here too. They went from a hard-core punk band to a stoner/southern/blues metal band :metal
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Queen is one of the best examples.
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Has anybody mentioned Pink Floyd?
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Yeah, they went from boring to boring, and then back to boring.
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I'm surprised Genesis has not been mentioned yet.
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Pendragon really changed their sound after 2001's Not Of This World, going from being a keyboard-dominated neo-prog band to turning up the guitars and going almost prog-metal. I think they toned that back ever so slightly on Men Who Climb Mountains.
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I'm surprised Genesis has not been mentioned yet.
yes and YES (pun intended)
also
U2
Level 42
Dire Straits
and, sadly
Queensryche
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Blur. Nearly every album is different from the previous one.
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Well, Ministry was mentioned already. Their career basically goes: new wave (first recordings)-synthpop (With Sympathy)-EBM (Twitch)-industrial (The Land of Rape and Honey)-industrial metal (The Mind Is a Terrible Thing to Taste, Psalm 69)-sludge metal (Filth Pig)-industrial metal (Dark Side of the Spoon, Animositisomina)-industrial thrash metal (post-Paul Barker).
Also Nine Inch Nails. Like with Radiohead, their every album sounds different than the last one.
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How about Alice Cooper? aside from the fact that it turned from a band into a solo adventure, sure, the general vibe is always the same, but he went through many styles.Hard rock, the weird stuff of the '80s, the hair metal of the late '80s - early '90s, two very heavy albums at the turn of the millennium and then a jump back into hard rock, and so on.
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Pretty much every band I could think of has been mentioned in this thread. I guess I could also add dredg to the list but only if you listen to their first two unreleased ep's.
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I have now heard the new album.
Jesus christ, you can't grow fond of an album's sound because they're going to change it in the next one
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I have now heard the new album.
Jesus christ, you can't grow fond of an album's sound because they're going to change it in the next one
Who?
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I have now heard the new album.
Jesus christ, you can't grow fond of an album's sound because they're going to change it in the next one
Who?
Dark Moor's
I tho I had written it, my bad.
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I have now heard the new album.
Jesus christ, you can't grow fond of an album's sound because they're going to change it in the next one
Who?
Dark Moor's
Who?
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I have now heard the new album.
Jesus christ, you can't grow fond of an album's sound because they're going to change it in the next one
Who?
Me
Who?
Me
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I have now heard the new album.
Jesus christ, you can't grow fond of an album's sound because they're going to change it in the next one
Who?
Dark Moor's
I tho I had written it, my bad.
I haven't heard the last album yet, did you like it?
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I did like it, it's just... so anti Dark Moor
Like they said "Oh you thought Project X was a big change, well fuck you, we'll give you even greater"