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Title: 137
Post by: Sebastián Pratesi on November 04, 2018, 01:17:50 PM
So, many of us have noticed that the number 137 has appeared a few times recently:
I saw a few people here/Reddit say that 137 is also the number of songs already released by the band, and somehow related to the skull scene in Hamlet (which the artwork seems to reference), but I have no idea about those - I haven't checked.

Anyways - I figured there could be a thread about this, so everyone can share other occurrences they find of the number (in case this ends up being an Octavarium-type scenario), or simply to discuss hypothesis.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Bertielee on November 04, 2018, 01:40:05 PM
Good idea : I have checked page 137 of Hamlet : the scene when the clown throws a skull at Hamlet :

"1 Clown.
[Sings.]
But age, with his stealing steps,
Hath claw'd me in his clutch,
And hath shipp'd me intil the land,
As if I had never been such.
[Throws up a skull.]
Ham.
That skull had a tongue in it, and could sing once: how the
knave jowls it to the ground,as if 'twere Cain's jawbone, that
did the first murder! This might be the pate of a politician,..."

The cover seems a reference at Hamlet's hand holding Yorick's skull.

B.Lee
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Elite on November 04, 2018, 01:51:48 PM
Maybe they'll finally release the full version of Pull Me Under
Title: Re: 137
Post by: gzarruk on November 04, 2018, 02:22:36 PM
Don’t know anything about 137, but now I’m subscribed to the thread ;D
Title: Re: 137
Post by: GasparXR on November 04, 2018, 02:31:33 PM
Maybe DT is trying to return to the glory nugget days of old?
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Ninjabait on November 04, 2018, 02:43:31 PM
From the other thread, it seems to be a reference to how many songs they've officially released up to this point
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Mladen on November 04, 2018, 02:55:08 PM
The first thing I thought of when I saw the number is the song of the same name by the band Brand New. Here's what a comment says regarding the title of that particular song, but we'll see if there's any connection to the cover:

''The title refers to the radioactive isotope Caesium-137, of which there was no trace in the Earth’s atmosphere or in nature before the first nuclear detonation. Ever since the introduction of nuclear weapons and reactors, trace amounts of the isotope have rapidly spread across the planet.''
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Bertielee on November 04, 2018, 02:55:42 PM
From the other thread, it seems to be a reference to how many songs they've officially released up to this point

The reference to Hamlet and this reference are not mutually exclusive I think. And in fact, it would be really cool if it had more than one explanation.

B.Lee
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Dream Team on November 04, 2018, 05:33:29 PM
From the other thread, it seems to be a reference to how many songs they've officially released up to this point

Actually that’s only true if you don’t count A Change of Seasons which seems absurd. It’s an original song on an official EP.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: AboutToCrash on November 04, 2018, 05:59:30 PM
WD&DU - 8
I&W - 8
Awake - 11
ACOS - 1
FII - 11
SFAM - 12
SDOIT - 6
TOT - 7
8VM - 8
SC - 7
BC&SL - 6
ADTOE - 9
DT - 9
TA - 34 (137 total)

I have counted both ITPOE and SDOIT as individual songs, so ACOS can be included in that sum... an obvious connection, question is why is their discography numbered on a skull being held by a robot?😂 must be some philosophical/higher meaning to it 
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Dream Team on November 04, 2018, 06:02:33 PM
Yes, but the other thread said 136.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Adami on November 04, 2018, 06:11:13 PM
JP: So everyone is agreed on the final version of the cover art?
JR: Yea man, the robot hand holding the skull? To symbolize the drama of evolution and progression?
JLB: Maple Syrup.
JP: So it's done.
JM:.....I got an idea
JP: What's that?
JM: Let's put a totally random, meaningless number on the skull.
JR: Hmmm....why?
JM: To drive our fans crazy to attribute some significance to it. It'll be fun.
JP: CONSIDER IT DONE!
Title: Re: 137
Post by: gzarruk on November 04, 2018, 06:14:05 PM
JP: So everyone is agreed on the final version of the cover art?
JR: Yea man, the robot hand holding the skull? To symbolize the drama of evolution and progression?
JLB: Maple Syrup.
JP: So it's done.
JM:.....I got an idea
JP: What's that?
JM: Let's put a totally random, meaningless number on the skull.
JR: Hmmm....why?
JM: To drive our fans crazy to attribute some significance to it. It'll be fun.
JP: CONSIDER IT DONE!

 :rollin
Title: Re: 137
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on November 04, 2018, 06:14:37 PM
Maybe they'll finally release the full version of Pull Me Under

Haha, but they did -- it's a hidden track on the Ytse Jams I&W demo release.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Zook on November 04, 2018, 06:41:06 PM
Is Raw Dog not canon?
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Adami on November 04, 2018, 06:42:59 PM
Is Raw Dog not canon?

I believe it was shot out of a cannon.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 04, 2018, 06:48:56 PM
Is Raw Dog not canon?

Actually looked it up and Tried to listen to that just the other day. Ugh. I hope they got paid some good money for that. Such a blah song.....if you consider it a song.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Zook on November 04, 2018, 06:49:32 PM
Is Raw Dog not canon?

I believe it was shot out of a cannon.

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EntireAgileLamprey-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: 137
Post by: gzarruk on November 04, 2018, 08:31:07 PM
Yes, but the other thread said 136.

That’s because they counted only the songs on the 13 studio albums released so far. My complete DT playlist has 160 tracks :tup
Title: Re: 137
Post by: lonestar on November 04, 2018, 09:24:09 PM
I think it's the band's prediction of the number of threads we'll have micro-analyzing every aspect of the album.



I think they're way under personally.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: The Letter M on November 04, 2018, 10:43:06 PM
Yes, but the other thread said 136.

That’s because they counted only the songs on the 13 studio albums released so far. My complete DT playlist has 160 tracks :tup

This is true, because even though you'd count ACOS (being the EP title track), you'd still miss singles like "Raw Dog", and B-Sides that were officially released on singles, like "Eve" and "To Live Forever", as well as a couple of the FII B-Sides that made it out on non-club discs. I guess if the number IS connected to their song count, they only count their 13 studio albums' songs, plus ACOS. I suppose singles are more forgettable these days...

As for the whole 137 thing, it'll be interesting to see if this pans out into anything bigger, or if it's just a tease.

-Marc.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: noxon on November 04, 2018, 11:25:05 PM
https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/why-the-number-137-is-one-of-the-greatest-mysteries-in-physics
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Chino on November 05, 2018, 06:39:49 AM
I typed "137" into Amazon's search engine, and this toner cartridge was the first result.

https://www.amazon.com/Canon-Original-137-Toner-Cartridge/dp/B00N99DC8Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1541424947&sr=8-1&keywords=137

In the item's description, it says "Genuine Canon Toner 137 yields approximately 2,400 pages"   


I'm not quite sure how this fits into the puzzle, but I definitely think there's something there. 
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Zydar on November 05, 2018, 06:45:21 AM
The Printer Carries On
Title: Re: 137
Post by: erwinrafael on November 05, 2018, 06:52:52 AM
137 songs from the past albums -> the skull
The future -> the robot

Must be the band signaling that they're moving on from their past and speeding (distance over time) into the future.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Chino on November 05, 2018, 07:04:12 AM
137 songs from the past albums -> the skull
The future -> the robot

Must be the band signaling that they're moving on from their past and speeding (distance over time) into the future.

I think they are emphasizing that their careers, but mainly life in general, went by quickly. Before you know it, your'e dead, never knowing what the future holds

In Ferris Bueller's Day off, he says "Life moves pretty fast. If you don’t stop and look around once in awhile, you could miss it.", and in that movie's 137th section of the script, Ferris is on the float having the time of his life. He's singing "Twist and Shout", a song written by a band that is probably liked by and an influence on the members of Dream Theater.

https://www.idiotsavant.com/bueller/script.htm

So the symbolism on this album cover, obviously, is our future overlords looking at our remains, relishing in the fact that unlike us humans, their time does not move by as quickly. They don't need to stop around and look around once in a while, because they are all knowing. They look into our empty eye sockets, constantly curious of what that feeling must have felt like, wondering whether or not they are truly living.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Elite on November 05, 2018, 07:05:01 AM
But they also did that with the self-titled album.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Adami on November 05, 2018, 07:08:43 AM
137 songs from the past albums -> the skull
The future -> the robot

Must be the band signaling that they're moving on from their past and speeding (distance over time) into the future.

The skull represents the organic, the robot represents the artificial.

I think this 100%, without a single bit of doubt, completely objectively, proves that the band will be moving on to completely digital instruments. No more acoustic drums, or anything. All digital. All synthetic.

Proven. Can't dispute it.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Chino on November 05, 2018, 07:10:23 AM
137 songs from the past albums -> the skull
The future -> the robot

Must be the band signaling that they're moving on from their past and speeding (distance over time) into the future.

The skull represents the organic, the robot represents the artificial.

I think this 100%, without a single bit of doubt, completely objectively, proves that the band will be moving on to completely digital instruments. No more acoustic drums, or anything. All digital. All synthetic.

Proven. Can't dispute it.

Truth

(https://beneathadesertsky.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/DreamTheater-2017-8306.jpg?189db0)
Title: Re: 137
Post by: jammindude on November 05, 2018, 07:12:59 AM
In fact, she nice it’s the first few odd numbers in sequence with the number 5 missing... this is proof that the 5 members of Dream Theater all died during the writing sessions and were replaced with exact replicas!

The truth is out there.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: erwinrafael on November 05, 2018, 07:16:06 AM
But they also did that with the self-titled album.

With the self titled, I think they were trying to capture the essence of DT in a concise manner.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Chino on November 05, 2018, 07:17:14 AM
Every number in and arrangement of 137 is a prime.

- 1
- 3
- 7
- 13
- 17
- 31
- 37
- 71
- 73
- 137
- 173
- 317
- 371
- 713
- 731
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Adami on November 05, 2018, 07:28:16 AM
New album is about Optimus Prime and will only feature digital instruments and is also a copy of Images and Words.


Fact.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Zydar on November 05, 2018, 07:29:35 AM
I guess Blob will be heavily involved in the visual stuff then.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Sebastián Pratesi on November 05, 2018, 07:35:41 AM
He's singing "Twist and Shout", a song written by a band that is probably liked by and an influence on the members of Dream Theater.
Just a minor detail: the song was not written by a band, but by two composers called Philip Medley and Bertrand Russell Berns, who used to work as a paid writer in the Brill Building.

Every number in and arrangement of 137 is a prime.
'1', and the last three on the list, are not:
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Chino on November 05, 2018, 07:39:52 AM
True and true. Disregard.

Forgot the Beatles borrowed that one.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Sebastián Pratesi on November 05, 2018, 07:48:13 AM
True and true. Disregard.

Forgot the Beatles borrowed that one.
Sorry - it's like I'm still in 'treasure hunt' mode. :P

Your post brings some cool ideas, anyway.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: RoeDent on November 06, 2018, 06:56:10 AM
When I did my count, I just counted all the songs from the 13 studio albums to date, so A Change of Seasons, or any of the other non-album tracks, are not counted. Six Degrees and In the Presence of Enemies counted as one song each, and all 34 songs from The Astonishing (including the NOMAC tracks) counted, thus arriving at 136. This will make track 1 of Distance Over Time song 137.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: New World Rushman on November 06, 2018, 09:45:31 AM
I live off of exit 137 on the Garden State Parkway.
I'm sure it has something to do with it.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: SwedishGoose on November 06, 2018, 09:57:01 AM
Urbandictionary has it connected to Love and Elite

https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=137&amp=true
Title: Re: 137
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on November 06, 2018, 11:06:15 AM
Maybe every song is going to be at 137bpm


😆
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Sebastián Pratesi on November 06, 2018, 11:52:46 AM
'Beatrice' from Discord has noted that, just as 137 is the 33rd prime number, the band is currently ending their 33rd year of activity. (As in: next May will be the 33rd anniversary of the band's first show.)
Title: Re: 137
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 06, 2018, 02:23:19 PM
So do we go ahead and move this thread to the Octavarium subforum now, or wait a while?
Title: Re: 137
Post by: bosk1 on November 06, 2018, 02:26:44 PM
Sub-forum activated
Title: Re: 137
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 06, 2018, 02:30:11 PM
Sub-forum activated
:tup
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Elite on November 06, 2018, 02:37:21 PM
Urbandictionary has it connected to Love and Elite

https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=137&amp=true

What do I have to do with this?
Title: Re: 137
Post by: SwedishGoose on November 06, 2018, 03:02:48 PM
Urbandictionary has it connected to Love and Elite

https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=137&amp=true

What do I have to do with this?

Guess it's their way of saying they love you
Title: Re: 137
Post by: ToT-147 on November 08, 2018, 11:18:24 PM
I have counted both ITPOE and SDOIT as individual songs,

In the Presence of Enemies counted as one song

 :lol ::)


ACoS it is a studio album song, because is the only original song to be included in a EP and nowhere else..

So 137 it is..

Inb4: "no this again lol"
Title: Re: 137
Post by: rumborak on November 09, 2018, 12:34:08 AM
Not named here yet, "137" is the name of a Pineapple Thief album.

Title: Re: 137
Post by: SwedishGoose on November 09, 2018, 04:28:30 AM
Not named here yet, "137" is the name of a Pineapple Thief album.

That is probably why it is on the skull...
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Sebastián Pratesi on November 09, 2018, 06:31:21 PM
Sub-forum activated
Hey, where did the sub-forum go? :biggrin:
Title: Re: 137
Post by: lonestar on November 11, 2018, 08:32:55 PM
Sub-forum activated
Hey, where did the sub-forum go? :biggrin:

It's limited to DTF alumni status members only now.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Bertielee on November 12, 2018, 10:06:37 AM
Sub-forum activated
Hey, where did the sub-forum go? :biggrin:

It's limited to DTF alumni status members only now.

Call that discrimination!
Title: Re: 137
Post by: AboutToCrash on November 12, 2018, 12:35:27 PM
If you add all their 20+ minute epics together the length comes to almost exactly 137 minutes.. no relevance really, just thought that was a cool coincidence!
Title: Re: 137
Post by: ToT-147 on November 12, 2018, 04:15:22 PM
If you add all their 20+ minute epics together the length comes to almost exactly 137 minutes.. no relevance really, just thought that was a cool coincidence!

ACoS  23
SDoIT 42
8V      24
IT       22

Total  111

Title: Re: 137
Post by: pg1067 on November 12, 2018, 04:34:31 PM
If you add all their 20+ minute epics together the length comes to almost exactly 137 minutes.. no relevance really, just thought that was a cool coincidence!

ACoS  23
SDoIT 42
8V      24
IT       22

Total  111

I'm guessing that AboutToCrash is including ItPoE as a single song:

SDoIT  42:02
ItPoE   25:38
8V       24:00
ACoS   23:09
IT        22:17*
TOTAL  137:06

* - If you only consider the song proper and not the little instrumental ditty at the end, it's less than 20 minutes.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Mark Levinson Jr. on November 13, 2018, 12:05:17 PM
Episode 137 of Dragon Ball Z, part of the Androids Saga, has a character "furiously vow to destroy the androids for humiliating and defeating him".
https://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Last_Ditch_Effort

I'd say if an android was holding a human skull, that would be pretty humiliating!
Title: Re: 137
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 13, 2018, 12:36:39 PM
The album will revolve around the "Game of Tones" episode of Futurama, which was number 137 of the series.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Renzo on November 13, 2018, 01:01:13 PM
Maybe D/T is a double album which in total lasts 137 minutes..
Title: Re: 137
Post by: MirrorMask on November 13, 2018, 01:36:44 PM
Maybe D/T is a double album which in total lasts 137 minutes..

After The Astonishing? no way.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: King Postwhore on November 13, 2018, 01:39:23 PM
They are covering Pineapple Thief's album 137.


Duh.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: gzarruk on November 13, 2018, 01:40:52 PM
It’s the amount of years that will pass untill JP finally decides record his 2nd solo album...
Title: Re: 137
Post by: TAC on November 13, 2018, 01:51:40 PM
Maybe it's how many copies of the album worldwide that they expect to be bought by women.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: MirrorMask on November 13, 2018, 01:58:53 PM
Maybe it's how many copies of the album worldwide that they expect to be bought by women.

:rollin
Title: Re: 137
Post by: ToT-147 on November 13, 2018, 02:50:22 PM
I'm guessing that AboutToCrash is including ItPoE as a single song

I know he was... And it's wrong..
Title: Re: 137
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2018, 03:11:07 PM
I'm guessing that AboutToCrash is including ItPoE as a single song

I know he was... And it's wrong..

No it isn't.  It is one song.

But 137 does not refer to the number of DT songs anyway.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: rab7 on November 13, 2018, 03:18:48 PM
I'm guessing that AboutToCrash is including ItPoE as a single song

I know he was... And it's wrong..

No it isn't.  It is one song.

But 137 does not refer to the number of DT songs anyway.

Are you implying that you know exactly what 137 means, or that no logical cherrypicking of DT songs will result in 137?
Title: Re: 137
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2018, 03:28:43 PM
I'm saying I know exactly what "137" refers to, and it isn't the number of songs in DT's catalog.  At least, it isn't intended to refer to that.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: gzarruk on November 13, 2018, 04:13:54 PM
I'm saying I know exactly what "137" refers to, and it isn't the number of songs in DT's catalog.  At least, it isn't intended to refer to that.

It's the number of squats JP does every hour.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Peter Mc on November 13, 2018, 04:24:08 PM
I'm saying I know exactly what "137" refers to, and it isn't the number of songs in DT's catalog.  At least, it isn't intended to refer to that.

It’s one hell of a weird coincidence then although I suppose you do have to kind of force SDOIT and ITPOE into single songs to get it to add to 137 but leave A Mind Beside Itself as individual songs so maybe not that much of a coincidence.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2018, 04:31:46 PM
I'm saying I know exactly what "137" refers to, and it isn't the number of songs in DT's catalog.  At least, it isn't intended to refer to that.

It’s one hell of a weird coincidence then although I suppose you do have to kind of force SDOIT and ITPOE into single songs to get it to add to 137 but leave A Mind Beside Itself as individual songs so maybe not that much of a coincidence.

It is a neat coincidence.  But there is nothing weird about counting SDOIT and ITPOE as single songs because that is exactly what the band has said they are since day 1.  And AMBI has never been a song.  It has been a suite of 3 songs since day 1.  So I'm not sure where the confusion arises on those (well, I can kind of see ITPOE because of the way DT split it, so those who do not know might think it is two songs).
Title: Re: 137
Post by: ToT-147 on November 13, 2018, 05:33:34 PM
I do know very well what MP intended to do with ITPoE.. But I also do know very well that the same band have made some mistakes (or contradictions) regarding semantic issues about their songs, so I guess all of these cases are very open to discussion and different interpretations.. After all, that's kind of the point..

But ok, "137" has nothing to do with any of this.. Never mind..
Title: Re: 137
Post by: pg1067 on November 13, 2018, 05:50:24 PM
I'm saying I know exactly what "137" refers to, and it isn't the number of songs in DT's catalog.  At least, it isn't intended to refer to that.

It’s one hell of a weird coincidence then although I suppose you do have to kind of force SDOIT and ITPOE into single songs to get it to add to 137 but leave A Mind Beside Itself as individual songs so maybe not that much of a coincidence.

A coincidence indeed, but it's not forcing anything.  ITPOE was unquestionably written as a single song that was split into parts (as opposed to the two parts being written separately and then smushed together).  By contrast, AMBI was always a suite of individual songs without any intent or pretense that they were a single song.  Whether SDOIT is a single song or a collection of eight songs is a debate that will never be settled, but it always was the band's intent that it be regarded as a single song.

Bosk, I assume the significance of the "137" will be made known once the album is released.  Oui?
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Peter Mc on November 13, 2018, 06:14:30 PM
I'm saying I know exactly what "137" refers to, and it isn't the number of songs in DT's catalog.  At least, it isn't intended to refer to that.

It’s one hell of a weird coincidence then although I suppose you do have to kind of force SDOIT and ITPOE into single songs to get it to add to 137 but leave A Mind Beside Itself as individual songs so maybe not that much of a coincidence.

It is a neat coincidence.  But there is nothing weird about counting SDOIT and ITPOE as single songs because that is exactly what the band has said they are since day 1.  And AMBI has never been a song.  It has been a suite of 3 songs since day 1.  So I'm not sure where the confusion arises on those (well, I can kind of see ITPOE because of the way DT split it, so those who do not know might think it is two songs).

Not saying it is weird, I consider both to be single songs and was totally convinced that this was the meaning behind 137. Just when you said it wasn’t the case, I thought it was a bit of a freaky coincidence and then thought that we’d maybe cheated a little to get to that number. Like you say though, it’s not really a cheat at all and I’m back to it being one of those strange coincidences.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: bosk1 on November 13, 2018, 08:33:09 PM
Bosk, I assume the significance of the "137" will be made known once the album is released.  Oui?
I suspect people will have more than they need to figure it out before the album is out.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Sebastián Pratesi on November 14, 2018, 04:04:42 AM
I suspect people will have more than they need to figure it out before the album is out.
Oh, cool! So, the treasure hunt never stops. :)
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Adami on November 14, 2018, 06:09:38 AM
Bosk, I assume the significance of the "137" will be made known once the album is released.  Oui?
I suspect people will have more than they need to figure it out before the album is out.

I think 137 is pretty obviously the release date for the album. January 37th.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: JustDefyYou on November 14, 2018, 07:27:02 AM
137 is the 33rd prime number, as of this year the band is 33 years old...

Even though we know 137 doesn't represent their songs I thought it was interesting that you could use the distance over time formula where 137 is distance (or number of songs) and time is 33 (how long they've been making said songs). 137/33 equals 4.15152 which by my estimation is pure gobbledygook. 
Title: Re: 137
Post by: bosk1 on November 14, 2018, 07:56:11 AM
137/33 equals 4.15152 which by my estimation is pure gobbledygook.

...or is it?  :corn
Title: Re: 137
Post by: hefdaddy42 on November 14, 2018, 11:28:05 AM
137 is the number of bans we mods will have to hand out in the weeks leading up to the release of the album.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: MirrorMask on November 14, 2018, 12:58:08 PM
137 is the number of bans we mods will have to hand out in the weeks leading up to the release of the album.

Or the number of people that will be conviced that the 20 seconds snippet posted on RandomUser5894743894437's account on YouTube is a legitimate leak off the new record.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: genome on November 14, 2018, 02:21:45 PM
JP: So everyone is agreed on the final version of the cover art?
JR: Yea man, the robot hand holding the skull? To symbolize the drama of evolution and progression?
JLB: Maple Syrup.
JP: So it's done.
JM:.....I got an idea
JP: What's that?
JM: Let's put a totally random, meaningless number on the skull.
JR: Hmmm....why?
JM: To drive our fans crazy to attribute some significance to it. It'll be fun.
JP: CONSIDER IT DONE!

Pink Floyd actually did this for The Division Bell. There are people still trying to figure out what "Publius Enigma" means 24 years later. It was a joke  :lol
Title: Re: 137
Post by: MirrorMask on November 14, 2018, 02:26:34 PM
Wasn't a half assed but legitimate contest that had to give an actual prize? your name to a tree or stuff like that, something that people in the label came up with
Title: Re: 137
Post by: fivestring on November 15, 2018, 11:27:03 AM
137/33 equals 4.15152 which by my estimation is pure gobbledygook.

...or is it?  :corn


Maybe adding the "137" was his idea :lol


idk, but i like to think that's coming from Mangini, being him a lot into maths.

Hmm...
[/quote]

I know Bosk has alluded to knowing what 137 is about, but seems there's some hints here to another puzzle solution...
Title: Re: 137
Post by: raggashaggas on December 04, 2018, 01:31:04 PM
Track 5 on DoT... "Room 137" .... hmmmmm
Title: Re: 137
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on January 05, 2019, 11:50:25 AM
Anyone know what room MM taught in while at Berkeley? Room 137 perhaps?
Title: Re: 137
Post by: JayOctavarium on January 05, 2019, 02:28:42 PM
Anyone know what room MM taught in while at Berkeley? Room 137 perhaps?

138
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Adami on January 05, 2019, 02:31:16 PM
I would love if Room 137 was just James describing the math behind whatever MM is doing and those are all of the lyrics.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: BeatriceNB on January 05, 2019, 10:50:10 PM
I would love if Room 137 was just James describing the math behind whatever MM is doing and those are all of the lyrics.

Dream Theater meets Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Evai on January 06, 2019, 10:31:15 AM
Sounds interesting. Something about a secret time signature that pleases John Petrucci
Title: Re: 137
Post by: SuperTaco on January 06, 2019, 05:03:40 PM
Sounds interesting. Something about a secret time signature that pleases John Petrucci

137/13.7
Title: Re: 137
Post by: bosk1 on January 06, 2019, 07:24:59 PM
I'm honestly pretty surprised that apparently nobody knows what Room 137 refers to.  It's pretty easily findable.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Adami on January 06, 2019, 07:48:27 PM
I'm honestly pretty surprised that apparently nobody knows what Room 137 refers to.  It's pretty easily findable.

Looks like it's gotta mean something since several other artists have already written songs called Room 137.

Shining?


Also it's apparently a gospel song about a hospital or something?


Psalm 137?

How cold am I Bosk?
Title: Re: 137
Post by: TAC on January 06, 2019, 07:53:17 PM
http://www.feynman.com/science/the-mysterious-137/
Title: Re: 137
Post by: SystematicThought on January 06, 2019, 08:00:03 PM
That has to be it
Title: Re: 137
Post by: gzarruk on January 06, 2019, 08:09:05 PM
Don't know what Room 137 is about, but apparantly Out of Reach refers to Mangini's cymbals for the recording of the album.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: SystematicThought on January 06, 2019, 08:33:03 PM
Don't know what Room 137 is about, but apparantly Out of Reach refers to Mangini's cymbals for the recording of the album.
:lol
It did look pretty uncomfortable in the Untethered Angel video
Title: Re: 137
Post by: gzarruk on January 06, 2019, 08:41:07 PM
Don't know what Room 137 is about, but apparantly Out of Reach refers to Mangini's cymbals for the recording of the album.
:lol
It did look pretty uncomfortable in the Untethered Angel video

One of the comments on Youtube said he has to challenge himself... somehow :lol
Title: Re: 137
Post by: mikeyd23 on January 07, 2019, 08:08:51 AM
http://www.feynman.com/science/the-mysterious-137/

Yeah, that's probably it.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: CDrice on January 07, 2019, 08:28:21 AM
Sounds interesting. Something about a secret time signature that pleases John Petrucci

137/13.7

It might be the number of time signature changes in the song. Or maybe the number of time signature that Mangini can play at the same time.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: YtseJamittaja on January 07, 2019, 10:38:15 AM
There's Room 237 in The Shining. Room 237 is also a movie itself. But I don't think it is anyhow related to the song.
Title: Re: 137
Post by: bosk1 on January 07, 2019, 11:42:53 AM
There's Room 237 in The Shining. Room 237 is also a movie itself. But I don't think it is anyhow related to the song.

It isn't (as far as I know).
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Mark Levinson Jr. on February 09, 2019, 02:37:48 PM
On the certificate of authenticity for the box set... check out the number!
https://centurymedia.store/product/Y4CDCE219/dream-theater-distance-over-time-collectors-cd-box-set?cp=102832_103046_104294

0137/3500

That is awesome! So... I guess somebody actually will get the 137th one!
Title: Re: 137
Post by: Max Kuehnau on February 09, 2019, 02:41:51 PM
James actually mentions what Room 137 is about according to MM. See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_R1Idf0n-U (8:23 for reference)