Funny how you say it was "leaked" when it was most definitively purposely put out there by us ;)
something to wash the stain of "The Astonishing" from my mind.
I like it.
What do you guys think of the cover?
I'm excited for this album.
No one has mentioned this so far: THAT DRUM SOUND!
Wait, is this the album cover or a teaser poster for the tour?
Yeah, I'm not so keen on that either. Everything else looks/sounds great though!
So, I missed the part at the top. Pretty over all these anniversary shows. I just want an awesome and well rounded setlist.
I hate the cover, but the snippet sounds awesome! :metal
Looks like they're skipping the Pacific Northwest again for this tour. :censored
something to wash the stain of "The Astonishing" from my mind.
YES! Pumped as usual! Actually let out a yell when I saw the Charlotte date... perhaps they slip Asheville in the there as well and wife and I will hit them both! Nice to see NC getting love from the dates... that's a 2-hour drive for me so I'll sleep in my own bed that night!See you in Charlotte?
YES! Pumped as usual! Actually let out a yell when I saw the Charlotte date... perhaps they slip Asheville in the there as well and wife and I will hit them both! Nice to see NC getting love from the dates... that's a 2-hour drive for me so I'll sleep in my own bed that night!See you in Charlotte?
I hate the cover, but the snippet sounds awesome! :metal
Looks like they're skipping the Pacific Northwest again for this tour. :censored
They haven't skipped us since Octavarium....which actually makes it a bit surprising for me that we're not getting a show this time. In the early days, I don't think they had enough of a following around here to make it worth the trip. But I was under the impression that the last several tours had packed the house.
Sucks, but they did say that it's just the first leg. Maybe we'll get a stop on the 2nd North American Tour.
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They skipped us on the last tour, I&W and Beyond. They also skipped us on the BC&SL tour, but kind of made up for it when they played the White river Amphitheatre with Maiden a year later..I hate the cover, but the snippet sounds awesome! :metal
Looks like they're skipping the Pacific Northwest again for this tour. :censored
They haven't skipped us since Octavarium....
They skipped us on the last tour, I&W and Beyond.I hate the cover, but the snippet sounds awesome! :metal
Looks like they're skipping the Pacific Northwest again for this tour. :censored
They haven't skipped us since Octavarium....
I wonder if the promoters are skeptical about Seattle after the poor turnout for TA show? They shouldn't gauge it by that since it was an unusual album and tour. I loved it though!They skipped us on the last tour, I&W and Beyond.I hate the cover, but the snippet sounds awesome! :metal
Looks like they're skipping the Pacific Northwest again for this tour. :censored
They haven't skipped us since Octavarium....
and was flippen pissed about that too. This is a massive market. Gotta pray they add some dates here before San Diego, or at least Portland or Vancouver. uggggggg
https://www.facebook.com/588847477799632/posts/2480996321918062/ (https://www.facebook.com/588847477799632/posts/2480996321918062/)
Regarding the tour, even though they are playing SFAM, it is NOT going to simply be a rehashing of what they did on the SFAM tour. That's all I'll say about that right now.
They skipped us on the last tour, I&W and Beyond. They also skipped us on the BC&SL tour, but kind of made up for it when they played the White river Amphitheatre with Maiden a year later..I hate the cover, but the snippet sounds awesome! :metal
Looks like they're skipping the Pacific Northwest again for this tour. :censored
They haven't skipped us since Octavarium....
Regarding the tour, even though they are playing SFAM, it is NOT going to simply be a rehashing of what they did on the SFAM tour. That's all I'll say about that right now.
Yeah, I'm not so keen on that either. Everything else looks/sounds great though!
Pretty over all these anniversary shows. I just want an awesome and well rounded setlist.
Yeah, I'm not so keen on that either. Everything else looks/sounds great though!
Pretty over all these anniversary shows. I just want an awesome and well rounded setlist.
Although I still love the anniversary concept, having seen SFAM in its entirety 5 times, plus the 2014 anniversary dates (x3), I'm less enthused to have SFAM takes up half of the setlist. But I'm happy for Progmetty and those that are stoked to celebrate the album. For me, I'd like to see a good chunk of new material for the first leg, balanced by a broad representation of the DT catalog for the remaining set. Maybe save SFAM for a later Fall 2019 leg.
I wonder if the promoters are skeptical about Seattle after the poor turnout for TA show? They shouldn't gauge it by that since it was an unusual album and tour. I loved it though!
Yeah, I'm not so keen on that either. Everything else looks/sounds great though!
Pretty over all these anniversary shows. I just want an awesome and well rounded setlist.
Although I still love the anniversary concept, having seen SFAM in its entirety 5 times, plus the 2014 anniversary dates (x3), I'm less enthused to have SFAM takes up half of the setlist. But I'm happy for Progmetty and those that are stoked to celebrate the album. For me, I'd like to see a good chunk of new material for the first leg, balanced by a broad representation of the DT catalog for the remaining set. Maybe save SFAM for a later Fall 2019 leg.
They could do a medley version of SFAM :lolRegarding the tour, even though they are playing SFAM, it is NOT going to simply be a rehashing of what they did on the SFAM tour. That's all I'll say about that right now.
Dream Theater confirmed to play SFAM backwards, starting with Finally Free and ending with Metropolis pt. 1 :biggrin:
I wonder if the promoters are skeptical about Seattle after the poor turnout for TA show? They shouldn't gauge it by that since it was an unusual album and tour. I loved it though!
Didn't realize it had a poor turnout, but didn't concern myself with that. I can easily make a trip to PDX to see them but no further. But a tour devoted to a 20 year old album is less compelling to me that a tour supporting a brand new album (albeit one I have yet to hear).
Is "returning to one's roots" getting used way, way too often these days?
They could do a medley version of SFAM :lolRegarding the tour, even though they are playing SFAM, it is NOT going to simply be a rehashing of what they did on the SFAM tour. That's all I'll say about that right now.
Dream Theater confirmed to play SFAM backwards, starting with Finally Free and ending with Metropolis pt. 1 :biggrin:
somethingANYTHING to wash the stain of "The Astonishing" from my mind.
To lead into the initial release of material, an Alternate Reality Game has launched
Some bands do the "announce cities first, venue later" method. I know Disturbed did that for their upcoming tour. Don't know why that's a viable method though. What venues they play in is important. I mean I know DT won't play in a craphole in LA, but there's plenty of venues out there (that can accommodate crowds as low as 1,500 people to as high as maybe 3,000-4,000 people) in many different locations of the LA area that can accommodate DT and I hope it's in an area that I can get to in the least amount of traffic (which is impossible in LA, especially on a Thursday and Friday evening).
I’d be ok with selections that weren’t played on the DT12 tour - namely Fatal Tragedy, Beyond This Life, etc.
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I kinda like this snippet more than the first. Sounded Rush-esque.
Excited for this release.
Is there no Majesty symbol on the cover ? Or am I not seeing it ?
Thanks !
Is there no Majesty symbol on the cover ? Or am I not seeing it ?
Thanks !
I get that those who didn't see them play back in full back then will be thrilled to see it this time.
I get that those who didn't see them play back in full back then will be thrilled to see it this time.
I don't. I get that there may be regret for those who couldn't have seen those shows, but it is 20 years later. The band is different, in terms of membership and live performance standards, and what their vocalist can do, and has a more extensive back catalog to draw from. I'd rather a diverse set focusing on new material by a factor of 100.
Yeah, I'm not so keen on that either. Everything else looks/sounds great though!
Pretty over all these anniversary shows. I just want an awesome and well rounded setlist.
Although I still love the anniversary concept, having seen SFAM in its entirety 5 times, plus the 2014 anniversary dates (x3), I'm less enthused to have SFAM takes up half of the setlist. But I'm happy for Progmetty and those that are stoked to celebrate the album. For me, I'd like to see a good chunk of new material for the first leg, balanced by a broad representation of the DT catalog for the remaining set. Maybe save SFAM for a later Fall 2019 leg.
I can't tell you how not happy I'll be if they are playing SFAM in its entirety. Between that and the I&W tour last year, they're getting dangerously close to Queensryche territory.
How do we know it's dystopian? How do we know it's just the future and not the past? There's an old piece of human on the cover as well. How do we know it doesn't encompass both and take us on a journey through time? Even the title: Distance Over Time suggests a journey and not just the future.
Here we go with the wild theories based on almost nothing that some people will ultimately perceive as factual without even waiting to hear the whole thing. Remember what happened when the Octavarium cover was revealed and how many people jumped on the "it sucks/the music will suck" bandwagon? That was sad and MP had to post about being patient to see the whole concept and it ended up being quite awesome with probably the best album artwork they've ever had.
TL;DR - Enjoy the lead-up to the album but don't judge it before you actually hear it and see all the artwork.
Glad to see a San Diego date!!!!! Considering they have an album coming out, are they gonna handle the Scenes' anniversary the same way they handled that of Awake on the Along For The Ride Tour? Maybe have Scene II the same way they played the Second half of Awake. I really won't mind the album in it's entirety, but I feel that it is quite steep to play a 70+ min album when you have a new album to promote. I rlly dont worry how it turns out, Im really excited they're back in San Diego!!!!
Same, I feel this would be the last anniversary album in a while, I personally don't mind "Scenes" in its entirety, I was still an Infant when it got released in 1999 (1 year old to be exact), and since being a fan of the band since 2011 I've been bombed out I never got to experience this album in its entirety; I did get to experience that little Scenes encore at the Fox Theater in Riverside back in 2014, it was majestic but I wanted the full package! I feel this is the ultimate chance to see them perform an album that I loved so much as a teenager. Funny, I remember thinking to myself after the show in 2014, I can't wait for the "Scene" 20th Anniversary show, it's gonna be incredible, and here we are 5 years later watching these thoughts become (probably) a reality. Furthermore, I personally do understand the long-term DT fans feelings towards these anniversary events since they have been popping up frequently these past four years. We had a 30th, 25th, and now 20th-anniversary tours in a batch of four years, and honestly, this might be the last one in stores for a while. Until Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, who knows they'll do for that one, I'm getting ahead of myself there, lol. For future anniversary shows, they show do one-offs like they did for "When Dream And Day Unite" for its 15th-anniversary show in LA.Although I still love the anniversary concept, having seen SFAM in its entirety 5 times, plus the 2014 anniversary dates (x3), I'm less enthused to have SFAM takes up half of the setlist. But I'm happy for Progmetty and those that are stoked to celebrate the album. For me, I'd like to see a good chunk of new material for the first leg, balanced by a broad representation of the DT catalog for the remaining set. Maybe save SFAM for a later Fall 2019 leg.Yeah, I'm not so keen on that either. Everything else looks/sounds great though!
Pretty over all these anniversary shows. I just want an awesome and well rounded setlist.
I can't tell you how not happy I'll be if they are playing SFAM in its entirety. Between that and the I&W tour last year, they're getting dangerously close to Queensryche territory.
I understand your concern TAC, but I'm pretty confident that won't be the cast and I'm willing to be this is the last time an anniversary tour will take place for a good while. See I think SFAM was the last universally liked DT album that warrants an anniversary tour. I think there are 3 kinds of people who listen to DT; 1. general metal folks, 2. general prog folks and 3. devoted DT fans. SFAM is the last album that managed to satisfy the biggest portion of all 3 IMO.
Get down here and see it with us in Austin jammindude!
It breaks my heart to be reminded that people born in the late 90's are no longer children :lol:
Get down here and see it with us in Austin jammindude!
Fly to Texas on a weekday.....rrrriiiiiigggggghhhhhtttttttt. :rollin
It breaks my heart to be reminded that people born in the late 90's are no longer children :lol:
SFAM was released 11 days before I was born.
I'm almost 19 ;D
I was 4 when SFAM was released, so I don't mind them playing it in full again :biggrin: (we don't even know that's happening, though).
Whatever, they'll probably skip my country anyway :'(
I was 4 when SFAM was released, so I don't mind them playing it in full again :biggrin: (we don't even know that's happening, though).
Whatever, they'll probably skip my country anyway :'(
If you come to Rio de Janeiro (or Săo Paulo, gawd forbid), I'll be glad to share a beer with a fellow South American from DTF :metal
Chill bro. Was a minor observation
I was born 7 months before SFAM :').It breaks my heart to be reminded that people born in the late 90's are no longer children :lol:
SFAM was released 11 days before I was born.
I'm almost 19 ;D
I was 4 when SFAM was released, so I don't mind them playing it in full again :biggrin: (we don't even know that's happening, though).
Whatever, they'll probably skip my country anyway :'(
If you come to Rio de Janeiro (or Săo Paulo, gawd forbid), I'll be glad to share a beer with a fellow South American from DTF :metal
What do you guys think of the cover?I think Hugh Syme has upped his game!
I wonder if Syme is behind the art?
I wonder if Syme is behind the art?
I was born 7 months before SFAM :').It breaks my heart to be reminded that people born in the late 90's are no longer children :lol:
SFAM was released 11 days before I was born.
I'm almost 19 ;D
The band has just leaked a whole lot of legit material!! :corn
https://youtu.be/_YLvYlS4zYo
The band has just leaked a whole lot of legit material!! :corn
https://youtu.be/_YLvYlS4zYo
Regarding the tour, even though they are playing SFAM, it is NOT going to simply be a rehashing of what they did on the SFAM tour. That's all I'll say about that right now.
YES! Pumped as usual! Actually let out a yell when I saw the Charlotte date... perhaps they slip Asheville in the there as well and wife and I will hit them both! Nice to see NC getting love from the dates... that's a 2-hour drive for me so I'll sleep in my own bed that night!See you in Charlotte?
I am extremely suspicious about this. There's only two videos on that channel, and we know DT have posted videos to Youtube before. Also, the poster on here is relatively new judging by post count, so can we trust them?
DT's *official* channel is here: https://www.youtube.com/user/dreamtheater (https://www.youtube.com/user/dreamtheater) This has got all the videos on it.
Everyone is too quick to jump the gun and post without doing proper research into these things. It is vital that we do research.
I am extremely suspicious about this. There's only two videos on that channel, and we know DT have posted videos to Youtube before. Also, the poster on here is relatively new judging by post count, so can we trust them?
DT's *official* channel is here: https://www.youtube.com/user/dreamtheater (https://www.youtube.com/user/dreamtheater) This has got all the videos on it.
Everyone is too quick to jump the gun and post without doing proper research into these things. It is vital that we do research.
https://37311319.com/final.php?share=true&fbclid=IwAR1lzkGBpaMC30gbu-SLECkDXb5yw_noiXIB9iWiczRU02b3IW7oKvVgEDQ
But the band members themselves are talking about it in this video.
RoeDent is probably talking about the Rickrolling videos, the channel is named "Dream Theater" with the same profile pic as the band's official channel.
I’m still getting a little bit of typewriter vibe from those kick drums. Anyone else?
Anything that is not on my YouTube channel is not music from the new DT (at this point). We literally scrambled just to get this 30 sec clip out there for you.
Nobody outside a very select few people has heard the album at this point, or has access to it.
Maybe now's the time, four albums in, to accept that this is how Mangini plays? And time to decide if you're with DT or against DT.
Anything that is not on my YouTube channel is not music from the new DT (at this point). We literally scrambled just to get this 30 sec clip out there for you.
Nobody outside a very select few people has heard the album at this point, or has access to it.
Love the news... can't wait to get more information
Like a european tour
Anything that is not on my YouTube channel is not music from the new DT (at this point). We literally scrambled just to get this 30 sec clip out there for you.
Nobody outside a very select few people has heard the album at this point, or has access to it.
In a earlier post I said I hate the album cover. Reason being is that I don't like skulls and robots, they both creep me out..lol! Especially skulls, they give me a cold dark feeling of death and hopelessness. They are not attractive for an album cover, and it's so cliche for metal artwork...
Maybe now's the time, four albums in, to accept that this is how Mangini plays? And time to decide if you're with DT or against DT.
Errr, what?!? I absolutely still love DT but I won't blindly accept everything from them if I think I Don't like it. It's not black or white, Roedent. There's still an in-between. And I said I would wait for the album to be released to make any definitive judgement.
B.Lee
Love the news... can't wait to get more information
Like a european tour
And a South American tour :metal
Maybe now's the time, four albums in, to accept that this is how Mangini plays? And time to decide if you're with DT or against DT.
Errr, what?!? I absolutely still love DT but I won't blindly accept everything from them if I think I Don't like it. It's not black or white, Roedent. There's still an in-between. And I said I would wait for the album to be released to make any definitive judgement.
B.Lee
Not sure he’s saying anyone should blindly accept anything, 4 albums into the Mangini era, nobody is blindly going into this record. I think he’s saying if they make 4 albums with Mangini and you don’t like the drums on any of them, maybe it’s time to accept that you just don’t like how DT want Mangini’s drums to sound rather than raising it as an issue with each release. I’ve no idea if you actually do that, I think it was meant more as a general thing rather than aimed at you personally. Every time new material is released, there has been a number of people complaining about the drums (which they are perfectly entitled to do) but at what point is it time to move on and accept you just have a different idea to JP of how the drums should sound on a DT album. We know there are many DT fans who aren’t into how JLB sings but at some point they accepted that this is what he sounds like rather than saying “I hate JLB’s voice” on every album.
So the 137 on the skull, has that been talked about (can't go through everything posted).
According to urban dictionary it could be Love or Elite... I'm thinking that love could fit in well.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=137Btw, there's a number on the skull, 137. Wonder what it means.The same number can be seen in the notepad in the 15th puzzle piece. (James' hand obscured it in the 'Hidden by Design' picture, so we only got to see it a few weeks ago.)
B.Lee
In the notepad, the '137' is over-lined, which 'el_deadache' on Discord realised looks very similar to a scene in "The Wizard of Evergreen Terrace", an episode of The Simpsons. (You know: the one where Homer fancies himself as an inventor a la Edison.)
Do we know when tickets go on sale?
Do we know when tickets go on sale?
Hopefully soon. I am really interested in the venue chosen for Nashville. In the US, does DT normally play 2-5 K venues?
I think he’s saying if they make 4 albums with Mangini and you don’t like the drums on any of them, maybe it’s time to accept that you just don’t like how DT want Mangini’s drums to sound rather than raising it as an issue with each release. I’ve no idea if you actually do that, I think it was meant more as a general thing rather than aimed at you personally. Every time new material is released, there has been a number of people complaining about the drums (which they are perfectly entitled to do) but at what point is it time to move on and accept you just have a different idea to JP of how the drums should sound on a DT album. We know there are many DT fans who aren’t into how JLB sings but at some point they accepted that this is what he sounds like rather than saying “I hate JLB’s voice” on every album.
I think he’s saying if they make 4 albums with Mangini and you don’t like the drums on any of them, maybe it’s time to accept that you just don’t like how DT want Mangini’s drums to sound rather than raising it as an issue with each release. I’ve no idea if you actually do that, I think it was meant more as a general thing rather than aimed at you personally. Every time new material is released, there has been a number of people complaining about the drums (which they are perfectly entitled to do) but at what point is it time to move on and accept you just have a different idea to JP of how the drums should sound on a DT album. We know there are many DT fans who aren’t into how JLB sings but at some point they accepted that this is what he sounds like rather than saying “I hate JLB’s voice” on every album.
All of this.
And I hate how some seem to be like if you happen to enjoy everything a band does, and have no complaints about it, it's seen as "blind acceptance", as if you have to be critical of something if you're to be considered a "well-rounded" fan.
Song 10? I thought no more than 8 🤔I love this clip! Myung should fill the album with these rocking and tasteful bass lines!
https://youtu.be/O5rxmfa8OPA (https://youtu.be/O5rxmfa8OPA)
So in this weirdo world of the internet we live in, there is no mention of this on DT's official webpage, Twitter, or FB?
RoeDent is probably talking about the Rickrolling videos, the channel is named "Dream Theater" with the same profile pic as the band's official channel.
I'm not. I'm talking about the fact that that channel has just two videos, few subscribers, no verified symbol, whereas the official DT channel I linked above has all the videos, all the subs, the verified symbol.
To be clear, I am referring to what Jinx linked to. I have not yet listened to it, because I want to find out if it genuinely is legit or not.
RoeDent is probably talking about the Rickrolling videos, the channel is named "Dream Theater" with the same profile pic as the band's official channel.
I'm not. I'm talking about the fact that that channel has just two videos, few subscribers, no verified symbol, whereas the official DT channel I linked above has all the videos, all the subs, the verified symbol.
To be clear, I am referring to what Jinx linked to. I have not yet listened to it, because I want to find out if it genuinely is legit or not.
:facepalm:
Have we already realized that, well, "over time", we will eventually refer to this album as DOT? :DWhat about D/T? Like a fraction. :D
DT'S DOT :P
So in this weirdo world of the internet we live in, there is no mention of this on DT's official webpage, Twitter, or FB?
Because they are making it go as a viral fan post.
Huh, well, ok, but is that the best way to get the news out to the largest number of people possible? I know it will get there eventually... I just don't get marketing sometimes.What's the rush, anyway? The album/tour won't happen for another 3 months.
So in this weirdo world of the internet we live in, there is no mention of this on DT's official webpage, Twitter, or FB?
Because they are making it go as a viral fan post.
Huh, well, ok, but is that the best way to get the news out to the largest number of people possible? I know it will get there eventually... I just don't get marketing sometimes.
Never Enough was written for a reason.
Holy brickwalling, Batman! How many times has this snippet been compressed beyond death and back? :facepalm:
Greetings...
Nef
Love that album cover. Simple, yet powerful. And I really like that album title as well.
Love that album cover. Simple, yet powerful. And I really like that album title as well.
I like the title, but can't stand the cover. I wonder if the artist presented this to DT and they all agreed 100% that this is It? "Oh yeah, a robot holding a skull!!!" I think DT could have come up with something better than that. I guess I need to get over it and look forward to the music and try not to connect it with that image..
Yeah that's how I interpreted it too, the machines win. Still that image makes my skin crawl for some reason..😵Love that album cover. Simple, yet powerful. And I really like that album title as well.
I like the title, but can't stand the cover. I wonder if the artist presented this to DT and they all agreed 100% that this is It? "Oh yeah, a robot holding a skull!!!" I think DT could have come up with something better than that. I guess I need to get over it and look forward to the music and try not to connect it with that image..
I read it as the death of humanity at the hands of Artificial Intelligence (our own creation) and that creation's reflection on the now extinct predecessor. I'm pretty fascinated by that, but to each their own. There's album covers from them I love and ones that I don't care for. This one I dig.
Yeah that's how I interpreted it too, the machines win. Still that image makes my skin crawl for some reason..😵Love that album cover. Simple, yet powerful. And I really like that album title as well.
I like the title, but can't stand the cover. I wonder if the artist presented this to DT and they all agreed 100% that this is It? "Oh yeah, a robot holding a skull!!!" I think DT could have come up with something better than that. I guess I need to get over it and look forward to the music and try not to connect it with that image..
I read it as the death of humanity at the hands of Artificial Intelligence (our own creation) and that creation's reflection on the now extinct predecessor. I'm pretty fascinated by that, but to each their own. There's album covers from them I love and ones that I don't care for. This one I dig.
Never Enough was written for a reason.
Never Enough is whiney ass expression of entitlement from what really is a service provider to his paying customers, letting them know how sad it makes him that they don't all appreciate his services all the time. It's a very Portnoyish thing heh
All the songs from the 13 studio albums, counting SDOIT and ITPOE as one song each, amounts to 136 songs. So 137 would be track 1 of this new album.
If we're using that analogy, then based on a lot of comments most of Dream Theater's customers are middle-aged women with platinum blonde pixie cuts who immediately ask to speak to a manager the second they walk into a restaurant, try to use 8 coupons that all expired in 1992 or 1994, yell at the poor underpaid waitress who's just trying to work her way through her theater degree, send the food back 5 times because it's either "too hot" or "too cold" even if it's the same exact dish, start complaining so loudly it bothers all the rest of the customers who are just trying to enjoy a nice evening out, then leave in a huff (probably without paying), and leave a bad review on every website possible.
Meanwhile, their husbands are sitting there with a look on their faces that betrays their sudden realization of why the divorce rate is so high. They remember the times when their credit cards weren't maxed out on "as-seen-on-TV" products and their ritualistic Sunday dinner out was a pleasant experience. When they had a great life ahead of them: cushy office jobs with benefits, a sizable retirement fund, a happy marriage with kids, and the world as their oyster. What happened to them? How did things get like this? Where has that spark in their life gone? They sigh, order another whiskey, lie back in their chairs, and think of England. Maybe tonight they will call that lawyer whose wrinkled card has taken up a six-year residence in a cozy wallet condo. Probably not. Inertia is a hell of a drug.
Love that album cover. Simple, yet powerful. And I really like that album title as well.
I like the title, but can't stand the cover. I wonder if the artist presented this to DT and they all agreed 100% that this is It? "Oh yeah, a robot holding a skull!!!" I think DT could have come up with something better than that. I guess I need to get over it and look forward to the music and try not to connect it with that image..
Love that album cover. Simple, yet powerful. And I really like that album title as well.
I like the title, but can't stand the cover. I wonder if the artist presented this to DT and they all agreed 100% that this is It? "Oh yeah, a robot holding a skull!!!" I think DT could have come up with something better than that. I guess I need to get over it and look forward to the music and try not to connect it with that image..
Well, maybe, just maybe, they asked for what they felt relevant for the theme of the album or of a song. I don't think they went through some random artwork and said "mh, yeah, we'll go with it", they must have wanted it like that for a reason that will be eventually clear once you hear the album (kinda like Octavarium or Black Clouds).
All the songs from the 13 studio albums, counting SDOIT and ITPOE as one song each, amounts to 136 songs. So 137 would be track 1 of this new album.
Maybe that means that there will be a title track and that it's also the album opener.
If we're using that analogy, then based on a lot of comments most of Dream Theater's customers are middle-aged women with platinum blonde pixie cuts who immediately ask to speak to a manager the second they walk into a restaurant, try to use 8 coupons that all expired in 1992 or 1994, yell at the poor underpaid waitress who's just trying to work her way through her theater degree, send the food back 5 times because it's either "too hot" or "too cold" even if it's the same exact dish, start complaining so loudly it bothers all the rest of the customers who are just trying to enjoy a nice evening out, then leave in a huff (probably without paying), and leave a bad review on every website possible.
Meanwhile, their husbands are sitting there with a look on their faces that betrays their sudden realization of why the divorce rate is so high. They remember the times when their credit cards weren't maxed out on "as-seen-on-TV" products and their ritualistic Sunday dinner out was a pleasant experience. When they had a great life ahead of them: cushy office jobs with benefits, a sizable retirement fund, a happy marriage with kids, and the world as their oyster. What happened to them? How did things get like this? Where has that spark in their life gone? They sigh, order another whiskey, lie back in their chairs, and think of England. Maybe tonight they will call that lawyer whose wrinkled card has taken up a six-year residence in a cozy wallet condo. Probably not. Inertia is a hell of a drug.
This post made my day :lol
Yeah I get that, I'm sure it is very relevant to a song or theme. I just loathe that image, lol! I was also saying that I wonder if the whole band was on board with this image for the cover. Maybe this should be in the stupid DT factoid thread.. :biggrin:Love that album cover. Simple, yet powerful. And I really like that album title as well.
I like the title, but can't stand the cover. I wonder if the artist presented this to DT and they all agreed 100% that this is It? "Oh yeah, a robot holding a skull!!!" I think DT could have come up with something better than that. I guess I need to get over it and look forward to the music and try not to connect it with that image..
Well, maybe, just maybe, they asked for what they felt relevant for the theme of the album or of a song. I don't think they went through some random artwork and said "mh, yeah, we'll go with it", they must have wanted it like that for a reason that will be eventually clear once you hear the album (kinda like Octavarium or Black Clouds).
All the songs from the 13 studio albums, counting SDOIT and ITPOE as one song each, amounts to 136 songs. So 137 would be track 1 of this new album.
I love how often fans complain about the artwork when DT make more of an effort with it than pretty much any other band I know. I mean they actually commissioned a different piece of artwork for every song in the DT12 booklet and people complained. With most bands you get a fairly generic album cover and that’s it, you’re lucky if you even get lyrics most of the time. Obviously peoples tastes differ and not everyone is going to like the artwork but it’s ridiculous to suggest they don’t put the effort in.
I love how often fans complain about the artwork when DT make more of an effort with it than pretty much any other band I know. I mean they actually commissioned a different piece of artwork for every song in the DT12 booklet and people complained. With most bands you get a fairly generic album cover and that’s it, you’re lucky if you even get lyrics most of the time. Obviously peoples tastes differ and not everyone is going to like the artwork but it’s ridiculous to suggest they don’t put the effort in.
I don't know why - maybe it's a Hugh Syme pattern of late - but I LOVE the booklet of DT12, but didn't care about that cover. Same thing with Rush's Clockwork Angels, which has an absolutely GORGEOUS booklet, but the cover is as meh as it can be.
All the songs from the 13 studio albums, counting SDOIT and ITPOE as one song each, amounts to 136 songs. So 137 would be track 1 of this new album.
I hate the cover, but the snippet sounds awesome! :metal
Looks like they're skipping the Pacific Northwest again for this tour. :censored
I hope you're right.. :metalI hate the cover, but the snippet sounds awesome! :metal
Looks like they're skipping the Pacific Northwest again for this tour. :censored
They usually hit the Seattle area. The only time I think they didn't was on the SFaM tour. This is only the first batch of dates, remember.
Regarding the tour, even though they are playing SFAM, it is NOT going to simply be a rehashing of what they did on the SFAM tour. That's all I'll say about that right now.I'm calling it now: free past-life regression therapy for everyone in the Meet & Greet.
I’m still getting a little bit of typewriter vibe from those kick drums. Anyone else?
I'm waiting for the album to be released, of course, but I'm not entirely satisfied with the drums sound of the snippet.
B.Lee
Album cover reminds me of something. Bit of a coincidence. :lol
(https://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/7502/cover_1742141482012_r.jpg)
I’m still getting a little bit of typewriter vibe from those kick drums. Anyone else?
I'm waiting for the album to be released, of course, but I'm not entirely satisfied with the drums sound of the snippet.
B.Lee
Have you listened to Into the Great Divide? I think Mangini's sound on that is unique and satisfying - very spacious and not overly compressed. Not that it needs to be guideline for finetuning his DT sound (by no means), but it serves as a sample of some interesting acoustics on his kit.
All the songs from the 13 studio albums, counting SDOIT and ITPOE as one song each, amounts to 136 songs. So 137 would be track 1 of this new album.
I love how often fans complain about the artwork when DT make more of an effort with it than pretty much any other band I know. I mean they actually commissioned a different piece of artwork for every song in the DT12 booklet and people complained. With most bands you get a fairly generic album cover and that’s it, you’re lucky if you even get lyrics most of the time. Obviously peoples tastes differ and not everyone is going to like the artwork but it’s ridiculous to suggest they don’t put the effort in.
I don't know why - maybe it's a Hugh Syme pattern of late - but I LOVE the booklet of DT12, but didn't care about that cover. Same thing with Rush's Clockwork Angels, which has an absolutely GORGEOUS booklet, but the cover is as meh as it can be.
The entire sound again sounded overly compressed, with JLB again heavily multi-tracked and FX’ed.
But are we assuming it was Syme this time again? He didn’t do the artwork for TA and I remember DT saying that they were searching for an artist for the artwork around the time they were writing the album. It might be someone new.One of the Treasure Hunt's last passwords on Friday was Syme2018. Of course, this doesn't confirm it, but in my opinion it suggests the idea.
But are we assuming it was Syme this time again? He didn’t do the artwork for TA and I remember DT saying that they were searching for an artist for the artwork around the time they were writing the album. It might be someone new.One of the Treasure Hunt's last passwords on Friday was Syme2018. Of course, this doesn't confirm it, but in my opinion it suggests the idea.
I’m sure most of you have heard the sound snippet and peek into our next album, ‘Distance Over Time’.
Hope you’re as stoked as we are.
Have a great one.
Yeah, I'm not so keen on that either. Everything else looks/sounds great though!
Pretty over all these anniversary shows. I just want an awesome and well rounded setlist.
Although I still love the anniversary concept, having seen SFAM in its entirety 5 times, plus the 2014 anniversary dates (x3), I'm less enthused to have SFAM takes up half of the setlist. But I'm happy for Progmetty and those that are stoked to celebrate the album. For me, I'd like to see a good chunk of new material for the first leg, balanced by a broad representation of the DT catalog for the remaining set. Maybe save SFAM for a later Fall 2019 leg.
I can't tell you how not happy I'll be if they are playing SFAM in its entirety. Between that and the I&W tour last year, they're getting dangerously close to Queensryche territory.
Images and Word 25 felt somewhat like that, as a follow up to the mixed-reception of The Astonishing.
But wow, looks like we are getting the best of both worlds here. Revisiting arguably their greatest album, AND supporting a new album release.I wonder if the promoters are skeptical about Seattle after the poor turnout for TA show? They shouldn't gauge it by that since it was an unusual album and tour. I loved it though!
Didn't realize it had a poor turnout, but didn't concern myself with that. I can easily make a trip to PDX to see them but no further. But a tour devoted to a 20 year old album is less compelling to me that a tour supporting a brand new album (albeit one I have yet to hear).
Is "returning to one's roots" getting used way, way too often these days?
What do you guys think of the cover?I think Hugh Syme has upped his game!
I’d been a bit tired of his style for a while (loved Octavarium and Systematic Chaos - the rest, ehhh...) but this one has all the hallmarks of a Syme piece and looks gorgeous. Big, big fan!
Love that album cover. Simple, yet powerful. And I really like that album title as well.
I like the title, but can't stand the cover. I wonder if the artist presented this to DT and they all agreed 100% that this is It? "Oh yeah, a robot holding a skull!!!" I think DT could have come up with something better than that. I guess I need to get over it and look forward to the music and try not to connect it with that image..
I read it as the death of humanity at the hands of Artificial Intelligence (our own creation) and that creation's reflection on the now extinct predecessor. I'm pretty fascinated by that, but to each their own. There's album covers from them I love and ones that I don't care for. This one I dig.
Also, think of the possibilites of the back cover, the booklet style, additional pictures... there is potential in that! and hey, it's the first "white album" since Six Degrees, about time I'd say.
Also, think of the possibilites of the back cover, the booklet style, additional pictures... there is potential in that! and hey, it's the first "white album" since Six Degrees, about time I'd say.
I was hoping for red to be the dominant color on the artwork. None of their albums are mainly red.
Also, think of the possibilites of the back cover, the booklet style, additional pictures... there is potential in that! and hey, it's the first "white album" since Six Degrees, about time I'd say.
I was hoping for red to be the dominant color on the artwork. None of their albums are mainly red.
Greatest hits
Also, think of the possibilites of the back cover, the booklet style, additional pictures... there is potential in that! and hey, it's the first "white album" since Six Degrees, about time I'd say.
I was hoping for red to be the dominant color on the artwork. None of their albums are mainly red.
Album =
a collection/compilation of recordings issued as a single item on CD, record, or another medium.
Greatest hits
Compilation, not an album
Two nights in LA in March? I'll probably be there for one of them, depending on work schedule and ticket prices. Just got to wait to see the announcement on what venue they will play in. Probably The Wiltern.
The snippet with vocals definitely reminds me of The Astonishing and ADTOE, but that's ok.
The snippet with vocals definitely reminds me of The Astonishing and ADTOE, but that's ok.
Yeah, sure, but given noxon's explanation, I wouldn't take too much from that snippet.
When can we expect an official statement from the band and release of the first single??
Are official statements done on Fridays just like album releases? If that's the case, next Friday would be nice. I am curious about the song titles.Official statements can be anywhen, but tend to avoid weekends as there are fewer eyes on them.
Are official statements done on Fridays just like album releases? If that's the case, next Friday would be nice. I am curious about the song titles.The press-release last year, announcing the new contract to Sony/InsideOut, was on a Monday (December 11). But, the 2013 press release about the self-titled album was on a Thursday (June 6).
The teaser is nothing special and pretty generic, but I like the unexpected chord at 0:21.
The teaser is nothing special and pretty generic, but I like the unexpected chord at 0:21.
Without even looking, I'm going to guess it was at "open your HEART"
But TA is very musical! It has catchy melodies all over the place and complex instrumental sections.
I'm sure this next album will be much darker and heavier yet musical at the same time. Judging by the cover leads me to believe that.
That second clip ("Writing session Song 10") sounds like they're jamming, it's really... musical (for lack of better word :P ). I'm hoping for more of that because, IMO, that's what missing from last few (or more than a few) albums. And I could see them doing that after The Astonishing, the album that was more of a "strict", story driven album.
I got a FII vibe from that snippet, and kept thinking of songs like Just Let Me Breathe and Lines in the Sand.
I'm a little surprised the tour isn't starting in Europe - that seems to be the established paradigm.
The 30 seconds sample and the video look very good BUT I'm a little sad because I was expecting a sound for the new album more of this style:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxkeTsEXnyI
For me, without a doubt, Xanadu's cover is the best sound by far Dream Theater has had with Mike Mangini in my humble opinion: the bass is perfectly understood, the guitar is crisp and in solos it sounds with an incredible tone, the voice in place and the most natural drumming sound I've ever heard from Mike Mangini.
As for the material, it always looks good, but there's not much to analyze.
I'll keep to the fact that there's a little less to listen to it. I would have loved the sound to be like in Xanadu :(
YES! Pumped as usual! Actually let out a yell when I saw the Charlotte date... perhaps they slip Asheville in the there as well and wife and I will hit them both! Nice to see NC getting love from the dates... that's a 2-hour drive for me so I'll sleep in my own bed that night!See you in Charlotte?
That second clip ("Writing session Song 10") sounds like they're jamming, it's really... musical (for lack of better word :P ). I'm hoping for more of that because, IMO, that's what missing from last few (or more than a few) albums. And I could see them doing that after The Astonishing, the album that was more of a "strict", story driven album.
Very excited about all of this, I just hope whatever they have planned for the tour it doesn't involve playing to a click.
yes, very much so and there is no reason for them to change that. It would be immeasurably dangerous for them not to play to a click, because of how difficult the music is. (and it wouldn't be enjoyable for me personally at all)Very excited about all of this, I just hope whatever they have planned for the tour it doesn't involve playing to a click.
Isn't that their standard m.o. since Mangini joined?
Very excited about all of this, I just hope whatever they have planned for the tour it doesn't involve playing to a click.
yes, very much so and there is no reason for them to change that. It would be immeasurably dangerous for them not to play to a click, because of how difficult the music is. (and it wouldn't be enjoyable for me personally at all)Very excited about all of this, I just hope whatever they have planned for the tour it doesn't involve playing to a click.
Isn't that their standard m.o. since Mangini joined?
very trueVery excited about all of this, I just hope whatever they have planned for the tour it doesn't involve playing to a click.
They're celebrating Scenes from a Memory. A click is literally the first thing you'll hear ;D
Yes, because not using a click increases the likelyhood of inaccuracies and mistakes and that's not fun at all.
Yes, because not using a click increases the likelyhood of inaccuracies and mistakes and that's not fun at all.
No, that isn't really the case at all. Neither using one nor not using one contributes to mistakes. But using one CAN make it more difficult to recover from minor mistakes. Really, the only reason they started using one in the Mangini era was to be able to sync up video, lighting, and backing tracks. It has nothing to do with trying to eliminate mistakes. Playing to a click does not help with that.
well, as they say: you learn something new every day. I'm no exception to that. :D Apart from all that, I'll be happy to see them when they'll play in Germany. (and I'm sure they will)Yes, because not using a click increases the likelyhood of inaccuracies and mistakes and that's not fun at all.
No, that isn't really the case at all. Neither using one nor not using one contributes to mistakes. But using one CAN make it more difficult to recover from minor mistakes. Really, the only reason they started using one in the Mangini era was to be able to sync up video, lighting, and backing tracks. It has nothing to do with trying to eliminate mistakes. Playing to a click does not help with that.
Yes, because not using a click increases the likelyhood of inaccuracies and mistakes and that's not fun at all.
No, that isn't really the case at all. Neither using one nor not using one contributes to mistakes. But using one CAN make it more difficult to recover from minor mistakes. Really, the only reason they started using one in the Mangini era was to be able to sync up video, lighting, and backing tracks. It has nothing to do with trying to eliminate mistakes. Playing to a click does not help with that.
Makes sense. And again, it's much appreciated by me. (and btw, I'm not trying or intending to be mean here. Never have never will)
something to wash the stain of "The Astonishing" from my mind.
I like it.
Yes, because not using a click increases the likelyhood of inaccuracies and mistakes and that's not fun at all. Plus, we all should know that most of their music is difficult to play and clicks make for a cleaner and more consistent end result Who would want inaccuracies and mistakes? Not me. (I only listen to Mangini-era live albums for that very reason among others)
I think that's just what you are seeing in "journalism" in general these daysOh; bummer. :sad:
New Album Cover and Clip. It reflects a lot of the energy and melody of the whole album. I never like reading "this is our best album" by anyone because it never is in my opinion. I just want listeners to think, "ok.. THIS is a great album, I really like songs a,b,f,h the best, but I can listen to it from front to back and stay interested." That's as simple as it should be I think.
Mike Mangini on Facebook:QuoteNew Album Cover and Clip. It reflects a lot of the energy and melody of the whole album. I never like reading "this is our best album" by anyone because it never is in my opinion. I just want listeners to think, "ok.. THIS is a great album, I really like songs a,b,f,h the best, but I can listen to it from front to back and stay interested." That's as simple as it should be I think.
Speaking of click track, they should increase every song's (at least heavy ones) tempo with +10bpm adding more power and live feeling.
Yes, because not using a click increases the likelyhood of inaccuracies and mistakes and that's not fun at all. Plus, we all should know that most of their music is difficult to play and clicks make for a cleaner and more consistent end result Who would want inaccuracies and mistakes? Not me. (I only listen to Mangini-era live albums for that very reason among others)
Love it all, snippets, cover, title . . . can't wait for more! :metal :metalThis. All you said.
Hey Bosk, can we update the background for the forum? edit: I guess it's more correct to say, can we have another background for the new album :biggrin:
Love it all, snippets, cover, title . . . can't wait for more! :metal :metalThis. All you said.
Hey Bosk, can we update the background for the forum? edit: I guess it's more correct to say, can we have another background for the new album :biggrin:
To be honest i'm quite hyped.
I've been listening to ToT and i miss this heavy mix and songwriting from the band.
Can't wait to see when we'll get the first single.
Looking at the white plastic hand holding the skull, and the way the Majesty symbol is printed on the wrist, it looks like an Apple product.
Would that make it an iRobot?
I'm still championing "D/T" as the acronym.
Love it all, snippets, cover, title . . . can't wait for more! :metal :metal
Hey Bosk, can we update the background for the forum? edit: I guess it's more correct to say, can we have another background for the new album :biggrin:
Love it all, snippets, cover, title . . . can't wait for more! :metal :metal
Hey Bosk, can we update the background for the forum? edit: I guess it's more correct to say, can we have another background for the new album :biggrin:
White theme? it will hurt the eyes. I'll stick with the Beneath the Surface one. But as other said, let's wait for the full artwork of the whole package.
Two-time Grammy-nominated and millions-selling progressive music titans Dream Theater announce the forthcoming worldwide release of their 14th studio album, Distance Over Time on 22nd February 2019. Distance Over Time showcases a newfound creativity for Dream Theater while maintaining the elements that have garnered them devoted fans around the globe. The album also marks the first for the band’s new label InsideOutMusic / Sony Music. The artwork was created by long-time cover collaborator Hugh Syme (Rush, Iron Maiden, Stone Sour). Distance Over Time was produced by John Petrucci, mixed by Ben Grosse and mastered by Tom Baker.
“When I listen back to the album, I can distinctly recall every moment of the writing process; where I was standing in the room, what inspired us in that instant and the meaning behind each song. As a producer, my goal was to try and create the best-sounding Dream Theater record we’ve ever made so that listeners can just be enveloped in the music. I really wanted this recording to truly reflect the spirit, joy and passion that went into making the album and for people to walk away feeling some of the organic nature, personality and raw energy that the band captured while together in the studio. For me, I think it accomplishes that and I hope that other people will feel the same way,” explains John Petrucci.
In June 2018, Dream Theater secluded themselves in a private location in upstate New York to begin writing for the new record. While spending the summer living together in the property's adjacent residence, the band spent their days and nights crafting the music that would make up the new album in the ‘Yonderbarn’; a beautiful and spacious barn that had been meticulously transformed into a state-of-the art film and recording studio. Following an intense & extremely productive period of group writing sessions and wanting to retain the magic that was captured in this scenic and inspiring location, they decided to record the album in the very room they had all convened to write together in. Living together during the writing and recording for Distance Over Time marked another first for the band’s 33-year career. The result is a heavier collection of songs that showcases the early roots of the band while exploring new territory as musicians and as friends.
“It was like going back to summer camp,” adds James LaBrie. “Being around each other the whole time made it that much more of a profound experience. I think the songs reflect the energy. It was a lot of fun to have a situation so powerful at this point in our career.”
It has been 3 years since Dream Theater released new music. To announce the details of the brand new album, Dream Theater enlisted the help of one lucky contest winner to break the news of the record to the loyal fans of the band. An Alternate Reality Game was launched that encompassed a “treasure hunt” whereby fans were able to search for clues hidden in various photos, videos, social media posts, and more. Ultimately, one lucky winner was given access to content before everyone else including the release date and cover artwork, and the winner would be the one to share the first taste of never before heard music. Listen to the teaser here: https://youtu.be/TKi3aQyWqHM
Dream Theater is also planning to hit the road in support of the new album. The Distance Over Time Tour of North America was recently announced and kicks off on March 20, 2019 in San Diego, CA. The tour will run for seven weeks before wrapping up in Mexico City on May 4, 2019.
Information on tickets for all upcoming shows as well as VIP packages can be found at www.dreamtheater.net. More tour dates for the worldwide tour will be announced in the near future.
They haven't updated the web site with the new tourdates yet...their FB events tab apparently has the new dates though. Have a look.
Is this the first time in a while that all five have been in the studio together? I always thought that JLB recorded his vocals for some previous albums in Canada.IIRC, (don't quote me on it please) James recorded his parts in Canada for ADTOE and TA, not for DT12 though. And apparently not for DOT judging from Jimmy T's Instagram feed. (I may be wrong about the last part though). So yes, this is the first time in 5 years that they were in one room at the same time.
They haven't updated the web site with the new tourdates yet...their FB events tab apparently has the new dates though. Have a look.
mixed by Ben Grosse apparently and not Jimmy T. (Ben Grosse worked with Alter Bridge btw, if anyone isn't familiar). Good press release IMHO apart from that. Honest statements by everyone it seems. And Hugh Syme is back (we knew that already though)
edit: double post - sorry
We graciously welcome DOT to the acronym list.Sorry to derail the topic a bit.
Is this the first time in a while that all five have been in the studio together? I always thought that JLB recorded his vocals for some previous albums in Canada.IIRC, (don't quote me on it please) James recorded his parts in Canada for ADTOE and TA, not for DT12 though. And apparently not for DOT judging from Jimmy T's Instagram feed. (I may be wrong about the last part though). So yes, this is the first time in 5 years that they were in one room at the same time.
Yes, because not using a click increases the likelyhood of inaccuracies and mistakes and that's not fun at all.
No, that isn't really the case at all.
We graciously welcome DOT to the acronym list.Sorry to derail the topic a bit.
Have you watched this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpfRzQO-pnU
Not sure if anyone wants to start new threads in the concerts section, but presales are starting today for a number of dates. I’ve only looked at LA and SF, but both of those have VIP on sale and a citi card presale going today, with other presales this week before the public on sale this Friday. Best of luck to everyone getting tickets!
I'm still championing "D/T" as the acronym.
It would be interesting to hear how they end up with Ben Grosse and Tom Baker.
Too bad they don't use modern names like Jens Bogren or Adam Getgood.
I think that's just what you are seeing in "journalism" in general these days
Not sure if anyone wants to start new threads in the concerts section, but presales are starting today for a number of dates. I’ve only looked at LA and SF, but both of those have VIP on sale and a citi card presale going today, with other presales this week before the public on sale this Friday. Best of luck to everyone getting tickets!
Anyone know the Citi Presale code? If you purchase with Amex, will it deny you?
I found a citi number to look at the ticket prices, but you needed a citi card to actually purchase them so I’ll wait until the presale tomorrowNot sure if anyone wants to start new threads in the concerts section, but presales are starting today for a number of dates. I’ve only looked at LA and SF, but both of those have VIP on sale and a citi card presale going today, with other presales this week before the public on sale this Friday. Best of luck to everyone getting tickets!
Anyone know the Citi Presale code? If you purchase with Amex, will it deny you?
We have the date. Now we need tracklist and song lengths. /impatient. Hahaha.
Interesting. Never been there.
Interesting. Never been there.
Me either. Oh, and caution...I thought it was the Nob Hill Theater, so I googled and clicked before paying attention. DO NOT DO THAT. :lol
10 PM to get the general sale tickets? That can't be right. Should be 10 AM on Friday. Yeah, I'll probably get tickets. Looks like price range for floor is $39.50 - $99.50 and there are five sections. Does the second section have the $39.50 pricing? If so, including fees, the tickets should come out to around $55.00. I probably get a ticket if the second section is priced like that. If it is more than that like over $65.00 for level 2, I'm probably going to pass on the show. I'm priced out like that.
Here's the seating section of the GA for Wiltern.
(https://s1.ticketm.net/ln/en-us/tmimages/venue/maps/la1/3680s.gif)
What is it?, Can't watch it here in CanadaIt's a clip from Conan's official YouTube channel, featuring Gritty - a mascot which 'Destiny of Chaos' has as avatar.
Unfortunately. That is one of the reasons I left the field.Interesting post, thanks. Part of what you talk about reminded me of the 'Linkalist' sketches in Portlandia.
It's really a shame.
I always enjoyed Ben Grosse's work. Alter Bridge, Sevendust, Dark New Day, all records by them that I love. I THINK Ben mixed all three of them. (One Day Remains, Animosity, Twelve Year Silence, respectively, by each of the bands.)
I always enjoyed Ben Grosse's work. Alter Bridge, Sevendust, Dark New Day, all records by them that I love. I THINK Ben mixed all three of them. (One Day Remains, Animosity, Twelve Year Silence, respectively, by each of the bands.)
I always enjoyed Ben Grosse's work. Alter Bridge, Sevendust, Dark New Day, all records by them that I love. I THINK Ben mixed all three of them. (One Day Remains, Animosity, Twelve Year Silence, respectively, by each of the bands.)
Yeah i'm optimistic about the mix this time. This guy has a pretty good track record. Hopefully the album will have dynamics and won't be brickwalled to death.
Any presale codes going around for the TX shows?
Just bought my two tickets for the Chicago show!!! First Dream Theater Concert (and first concert ever)!!!!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metalChicago? Did you have a presale code?
Could anyone please pm me the Toronto presale code? I’ll but you a beer at the show
Could anyone please pm me the Toronto presale code? I’ll but you a beer at the show
Can't help you for Toronto, but I just got the email with the NYC live nation code so I guess they are starting to circulate
Got my VIP/tickets to LA!! :metal Who has been to the Wiltern? What is parking like and the neighborhood? March is forevaaaah away!!!
Oh, wow. I never knew that was how the name was derived.
Hard to believe I never went to any shows while I was down there. Well, I guess it actually isn't THAT surprising, since I was in school and had no money. But still.
I mean, I saw Jeckyll and Hyde at the Pantages,A couple of years ago when we were in Hollywood, we were standing outside of Pantages, and I was staring at it it. My wife was like, what are you looking at, and I said that Dream Theater recorded a live album here. Of course my lovely family greeted me with three WHO GIVES A F#%K looks.
:lolI mean, I saw Jeckyll and Hyde at the Pantages,A couple of years ago when we were in Hollywood, we were standing outside of Pantages, and I was staring at it it. My wife was like, what are you looking at, and I said that Dream Theater recorded a live album here. Of course my lovely family greeted me with three WHO GIVES A F#%K looks.
Got my VIP/tickets to LA!! :metal Who has been to the Wiltern? What is parking like and the neighborhood? March is forevaaaah away!!!
The Wiltern is located at the corner of Wilshire Boulevard and Western Av. (hence the name). It's a pretty typical mid-LA neighborhood. You can use Google Maps to get a look. I've never felt unsafe. There are bunch of nearby parking lots (some sketchier than others) that will charge in the $10-20 range.
BTW, which night are you going, and where are your seats? I'm going to the Friday show and will be in the second row on JM's side.
How are you guys getting tickets? I see only the platinum and citi presales. Is there another presale for the LA show? If so, what's the code?I bought the Platinum. I saw on the LiveNation website for Denver, that the "LiveNation" presale is tomorrow. I searched to find that if you are logged in to LiveNation, that will get you in to buy the tickets. Not sure if it is the same for LA.
How are you guys getting tickets? I see only the platinum and citi presales. Is there another presale for the LA show? If so, what's the code?
Is there a Chicago presale for non citi?
Is there a Chicago presale for non citi?
Live nation presale starts tomorrow and the code is MIXTAPE
That's the same for Boston.
How are you guys getting tickets? I see only the platinum and citi presales. Is there another presale for the LA show? If so, what's the code?
412800 is the citi presage code.
@air weaver
I’ll be 3 rows behind you. I thought about VIP but +$800 for 2 tickets it’s a little too much. I did VIP for the Astonishing and wasn’t pleased so I’m ok skipping this time.
In my opinion DOT will be very different from TOT and similar will be only the acronym ;D
Is the St.Paul, MN show at The Palace Theatre ?
Presale doesnt seem to be working for me at all, for NYC
In chrome it doesnt even accept the presale password
In safari it accepts the password but errors out when searching for tickets
In chrome it doesnt even accept the presale password
In safari it accepts the password but errors out when searching for tickets
Yes, something's messed up.
I'm even getting a "cannot complete the request on this device" error, which I've gotten before on another machine when I've let tickets time out. I wonder if it's some kind of safeguard
The 30 seconds sample and the video look very good BUT I'm a little sad because I was expecting a sound for the new album more of this style:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxkeTsEXnyI
For me, without a doubt, Xanadu's cover is the best sound by far Dream Theater has had with Mike Mangini in my humble opinion: the bass is perfectly understood, the guitar is crisp and in solos it sounds with an incredible tone, the voice in place and the most natural drumming sound I've ever heard from Mike Mangini.
As for the material, it always looks good, but there's not much to analyze.
I'll keep to the fact that there's a little less to listen to it. I would have loved the sound to be like in Xanadu :(
The 30 second sample sounds musically promising, but it is way too compressed to sound great. It is easily heard for example when the vocals kick in. The sound does not increase in volume and the clarity of the sound just gets worse.
Dynamics aside the production and the mix seems to be an improvement over the previous albums - especially the drum mix. Could do with less effects on vocals though.
I really liked what I heard on the song 10 video. I am pumped for this album as far as the music goes, but I am yet again disappointed by loudness war treatment of the sound on the sample.
Hopefully there will be version with different mastering on vinyl or through HDTracks.
EDIT: The DR database figures were for the Rush songs and not for the DT cover so it did not apply here. So I removed the comments concerning that.
Listened to the Dream Theater's cover of Xanadu again as it's been while. Like danidogma I would love if the new album sounded like this. The difference in dynamics, clarity, bass and drums is night and day compared to the sample. I am not surprised about the amount of compression as it is the norm these days, but I am surprised that the band still goes for this kind of sound when they could easily release a better sounding album.
Came back to try and get tickets and things seem to be working now, but looks like there's no good seats available. I'll try during the public sale or otherwise I'll just wait till someone sells a cheap ticket.
Came back to try and get tickets and things seem to be working now, but looks like there's no good seats available. I'll try during the public sale or otherwise I'll just wait till someone sells a cheap ticket.
Came back to try and get tickets and things seem to be working now, but looks like there's no good seats available. I'll try during the public sale or otherwise I'll just wait till someone sells a cheap ticket.
I'm on the Ticketmaster site for Boston. I'm not happy with the seats either. Are they holding back a bunch of good ones for Friday's general public sale??
In NYC, the best available on the floor were row V so I'm thinking they are holding tickets back for general sale. I doubt they sold all the front rows before V. And I expect not to land a first couple rows due to VIP reserving those. I was really actually hoping for a first row on the balcony like last year. Good view and no one blocking you. But even balcony seats you can only find 3 or 4 rows back now.
Don't forget YouTube compresses audio drastically, so the actual sound of the record may be different.
In the audio snippet, is what we hear from just one song or is it from two, or more? Sounds to me like it's either...
a.) 2 parts to the same song
b.) 2 parts to 2 different songs
How are you guys getting tickets? I see only the platinum and citi presales. Is there another presale for the LA show? If so, what's the code?
Anyone got a presale code for Dallas?
I’m really curious as to what the setlist will be like, cuz it seems like it’ll be a lot on their plate. I guess it’s safe to assume that Scenes will be in the second half of the show. If there’s a long epic on DoT, maybe that would be the encore(?). If not, maybe one of their older epics(Octavarium?) or collection of short songs in the encore. If that’s the case, all of the new stuff will be in the first half, with a couple old songs thrown in there. Might be another lopsided setlist. I know I’m looking too far into it, but mainly spitballing.
I’m really curious as to what the setlist will be like, cuz it seems like it’ll be a lot on their plate. I guess it’s safe to assume that Scenes will be in the second half of the show. If there’s a long epic on DoT, maybe that would be the encore(?). If not, maybe one of their older epics(Octavarium?) or collection of short songs in the encore. If that’s the case, all of the new stuff will be in the first half, with a couple old songs thrown in there. Might be another lopsided setlist. I know I’m looking too far into it, but mainly spitballing.
My guess is a first set featuring three or four songs from Distance (depending on length), a couple from WDADU, and a few songs from the Mangini era that ends up being a full hour. Then a second set of Scenes, with an encore of the song Octavarium. I would expect them to ignore I&W completely, and most likely Awake and FII as well.
Don't forget YouTube compresses audio drastically, so the actual sound of the record may be slightly different.fixed
Don't forget YouTube compresses audio drastically, so the actual sound of the record may be slightly different.fixed
I guess it’s safe to assume that Scenes will be in the second half of the show.
I guess it’s safe to assume that Scenes will be in the second half of the show.
Ugh, God I hope not. Do a mashup or something, but don't devote an entire half of the show to it.
My guess is that the flow of the show will be similar to the one on I&W tour, roughly:
First set: 30 min of DOT + 40 min of favorites
Second set: Scenes and... that's all, folks!
I guess it’s safe to assume that Scenes will be in the second half of the show.
Ugh, God I hope not. Do a mashup or something, but don't devote an entire half of the show to it.
I think we got the point with your anti-SFAM thread....
having seen almost all of it already through various shows
It is weird that they paid tribute to the album 5 years ago, and now they are again. Are they just going to tour on SFAM every 5 years for the rest of their careers?
To be frank, its not that Scenes is what is being promoted. The new album is PLUS Scenes.
It'd be different if the tour was billed as the 20th Anniversary Tour of Scenes From a Memory (plus new music and hits).
Why would they tour on WDADU? That would be the worst idea ever. And also, the "celebration of where they came from" tour was the Octavarium tour. No reason to do that again.I guess it’s safe to assume that Scenes will be in the second half of the show.
Ugh, God I hope not. Do a mashup or something, but don't devote an entire half of the show to it.
I think we got the point with your anti-SFAM thread....
Which was needlessly and inappropriately locked, I might add
Also, you asked there but I couldn't reply: "Second, what could they possibly do with WDADU that the didn't do 15 years ago?"
My answer to that is: they could actually tour on it, and not just do a one-off special show. I'm not asking them to devote an entire set to the album, but throw in some of the deeper cuts as a celebration of where they came from.
And also, the "celebration of where they came from" tour was the Octavarium tour. No reason to do that again.And yet they did do it again, albeit in a shorter format and only in Europe, in 2015.
And also, the "celebration of where they came from" tour was the Octavarium tour. No reason to do that again.And yet they did do it again, albeit in a shorter format and only in Europe, in 2015.
Why would they tour on WDADU? That would be the worst idea ever.
Why would they tour on WDADU? That would be the worst idea ever.
I mean incorporate into the set (not do an I&W 25). You honestly don't think that would be a selling point that would resonate with a lot of people?
Not dream theaters fault.
I guess it’s safe to assume that Scenes will be in the second half of the show.
Ugh, God I hope not. Do a mashup or something, but don't devote an entire half of the show to it.
I think we got the point with your anti-SFAM thread....
Which was needlessly and inappropriately locked, I might add
Also, you asked there but I couldn't reply: "Second, what could they possibly do with WDADU that the didn't do 15 years ago?"
My answer to that is: they could actually tour on it, and not just do a one-off special show. I'm not asking them to devote an entire set to the album, but throw in some of the deeper cuts as a celebration of where they came from.
Why would they tour on WDADU? That would be the worst idea ever.
I mean incorporate into the set (not do an I&W 25). You honestly don't think that would be a selling point that would resonate with a lot of people?
Not dream theaters fault.
Maybe not the band members, but I do think the organization deserves some blame. The little images they've been floating around have only listed dates and cities, and nothing about venues and on-sale times. They really kind of dropped the ball here. Obviously it will sell, but with so many people being like "wait, what? Tickets are on sale? I don't even know where they're playing in town!" it kind of puts the onus on whoever is handling PR.
A song or two would be fine, but I don't think anyone is going to get excited about anything other than TKH.
To all the people saying, just play the SFAM songs they didn’t do on the DT12 tour, you do realise that would be so close to doing the full album that they may as well do the full album right? On the DT12 tour they did Overture 1928, Strange Deja Vu, The Dance Of Eternity and Finally Free, that’s it. I will also say that, whilst I thought I wouldn’t be all that excited to hear that stuff, it absolutely blew everything else they played that night out of the water. You forget how incredible and powerful that material is live.
I’m surprised by how many of you are complaining that they may play what is time and again voted their greatest ever album rather than 70 min of odds and sods from other albums. Would it be my choice that they take up 70 odd min of the tour for the new album by playing SFAM? No, it wouldn’t. I’ve got a funny feeling though that, if they do it, we’ll all be eating our words and floored by how much we loved hearing it live again after all these years.
Of course it has not yet been confirmed that they are playing the full album every night but I certainly wouldn’t complain if they did.
I had a small rant earlier today about the tickets. It seems consistent whenever DT announce a US tour that there is some issue with ticket purchasing in some way or shape and it's not always the same issue. I don't think the timing is the issue though, that seems normal today to announce the tour and tickets be available the next day via pre-sale and a few days later for general sale.I had ZERO issues with the "citi pre-sale" on Tuesday. Got 2 tickets in row K on the aisle EAZY PEAZY.
To all the people saying, just play the SFAM songs they didn’t do on the DT12 tour, you do realise that would be so close to doing the full album that they may as well do the full album right? On the DT12 tour they did Overture 1928, Strange Deja Vu, The Dance Of Eternity and Finally Free, that’s it. I will also say that, whilst I thought I wouldn’t be all that excited to hear that stuff, it absolutely blew everything else they played that night out of the water. You forget how incredible and powerful that material is live.
I’m surprised by how many of you are complaining that they may play what is time and again voted their greatest ever album rather than 70 min of odds and sods from other albums. Would it be my choice that they take up 70 odd min of the tour for the new album by playing SFAM? No, it wouldn’t. I’ve got a funny feeling though that, if they do it, we’ll all be eating our words and floored by how much we loved hearing it live again after all these years.
Of course it has not yet been confirmed that they are playing the full album every night but I certainly wouldn’t complain if they did.
I think it would be cool if they did:
Through My Words
Fatal Tragedy
Beyond This Life
Through Her Eyes
Home
Pretty much everything they didn't do last time, all in sequence on the album without doing the whole album and it would end on a high note with a fan favorite Home. Maybe that could end the set too.
I honestly wouldn't mind if they skipped some SFAM songs to make room for Octavarium, which I have to see live at least once. As long as they don't skip Beyond this Life, I will be fine.
I would MUCH RATHER see WDADU played in full than SFAM which I've seen played many times before, but that's just me.
I honestly wouldn't mind if they skipped some SFAM songs to make room for Octavarium, which I have to see live at least once. As long as they don't skip Beyond this Life, I will be fine.
Imagine the first set being mostly new material and a few other songs, the second set being all or most of Scenes, and the encore being Octavarium. Heads would explode. :lol :lol
Thanks for participating in this, guys. The band thought our top picks were pretty cool. I can't say whether any of our picks will factor in, but the tour concept is pretty exciting.
The top picks were:
1. Octavarium
2. The Glass Prison
3. Surrender To Reason / Blind Faith (tie)
4. In the Name of God
5. The Killing Hand
I have what may be a dumb question.
When I was at the Live Nation website yesterday, I clicked the "shop platinum tickets" link and bought my ticket that way. I didn't see anything about meet and great and swag and assumed I was just buying the ticket, but does a "platinum ticket" include that other stuff?
P.S. I got an e-mail this morning from Ticketmaster with a presale code "DISTANCE".
I would MUCH RATHER see WDADU played in full than SFAM which I've seen played many times before, but that's just me.
I have what may be a dumb question.
When I was at the Live Nation website yesterday, I clicked the "shop platinum tickets" link and bought my ticket that way. I didn't see anything about meet and great and swag and assumed I was just buying the ticket, but does a "platinum ticket" include that other stuff?
P.S. I got an e-mail this morning from Ticketmaster with a presale code "DISTANCE".
The Ticketmaster platinum tickets are just very pricey tickets with no VIP access and no goodies. Just a premium seat. Ticketmaster did the same thing during the Astonishing tour too. Not an offer tied directly to the band. I was surprised to happen upon the primo tickets before the official presale - but sure enough I snatched up a couple. The presale code sent out today was for any seat available in the venue, above and beyond the jacked up pricey premium tix. Hope this helps.
I also think the Queensrÿche comparison is hugely unfair as if DT are becoming some nostalgia act just doing a cash grab playing their old albums.
SFAM is a bonus set you get instead of sitting through some crappy support band.
SFAM is a bonus set you get instead of sitting through some crappy support band.
Can't argue with that, bro.
Get outta here with your facts.And also, the "celebration of where they came from" tour was the Octavarium tour. No reason to do that again.And yet they did do it again, albeit in a shorter format and only in Europe, in 2015.
I'm sorry if I'm coming off as negative. I'm usually defending DT against negativity. But to me, the crux of it is that I'm not sure how many albums DT has left. Everytime I read a band is playing an album in full from their past, I usually eye roll it. That is for bands that are going backwards. I don't ever want to think of DT as going backwards. I, as a huge fan almost from the start, am not ready for that, and this kind of thing makes me very nervous.
The fact that they are playing the Scenes songs live is fantastic. I just hope they don't think that playing an old album in full is what they need to do. If they truly want to do it, fine, who am I to get in the way. But if I am being consistent, if I eye roll every other band for doing this, then I have to eye roll DT. I was willing to make the exception for I&W.
SFAM is a bonus set you get instead of sitting through some crappy support band.
Can't argue with that, bro.
Well, yea if the support is crappy. I can't be the only one who would love to see a relatively known prog metal band open for DT and allow DT to have rotating sets again. I dream of Haken opening for DT with a DT encore jamming with Haken.
But i think there is a very crucial difference. Most of these nostalgia acts are not coming up with new material anymore. DT still is. I think they are just combining this with anniversaries of old albums because 1) they want the old fans to hear the new material, and 2) I think somewhere in their mind, they know that they don't really have much time left where they especially JLB can stil do the old material because of physical constraints. DT has actually been very bold, doing two tours with no I&W songs, and doing a full tour with only new material. You don't see that in any of these so-called nostalgia acts.
I will say again that I’m assuming this is an Evening With show. If it wasn’t and they came out playing one or two songs off the new album and then the whole of SFAM, I’d understand the whole “smells wrong” thing. They will undoubtedly though play a full set of around 80-90 min based on the new album which is a full show for many bands. SFAM is an added bonus not something they’re doing instead of playing stuff off the new album.
I can't believe you guys fighting SFAM in it's entirety. I mean the whole production with the filmed dramatization and the immersive experience of going through the story with the music? it's uncomprehendable to me but to each their own I guess.
I can't believe you guys fighting SFAM in it's entirety. I mean the whole production with the filmed dramatization and the immersive experience of going through the story with the music? it's uncomprehendable to me but to each their own I guess. But if DT changes their plans due to the feedback I'll be the saddest fuckin panda to ever walk the ice heh
Thanks. As mentioned, I assumed I was only buying a seat, so no problem with this. It would have been cool to get the M&G and goodies.
Good news - DT will likely offer the VIP experience as an add-on item sans ticket. Just be patient for several weeks - last 3 or 4 tours they featured an add-on VIP purchase.
I think being on the cusp on a new album, fans such as myself are excited for the premiere of new material (and underplayed material). Of course, the easy solution is to feature SFAM on a later 2019 leg. Best of both worlds IMO.
SFAM is a bonus set you get instead of sitting through some crappy support band.
Can't argue with that, bro.
Well, yea if the support is crappy. I can't be the only one who would love to see a relatively known prog metal band open for DT and allow DT to have rotating sets again. I dream of Haken opening for DT with a DT encore jamming with Haken.
You’d rather have less Dream Theater and an opening act instead? If I have the option of seeing DT do SFAM or just 70 min of music or seeing Haken (or literally anyone else) I would take more DT every time. If I wanted to see Haken, I’d buy a ticket to see them in their own show. I’ve seen decent bands open for DT such as Opeth, Porcupine Tree, Spocks Beard, Pain Of Salvation, Symphony X. I’d still rather have seen DT do an extra set for all of those shows than watch a support band.
More DT is always better than an opening band.
I can't believe you guys fighting SFAM in it's entirety. I mean the whole production with the filmed dramatization and the immersive experience of going through the story with the music? it's uncomprehendable to me but to each their own I guess. But if DT changes their plans due to the feedback I'll be the saddest fuckin panda to ever walk the ice hehIf it was any other album, it would be different. But SFAM is up there with Close to the Edge, Thick as a Brick, In the Court of the Crimson King, and Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. They HAVE to honor it's anniversary!
If it was any other album, it would be different. But SFAM is up there with Close to the Edge, Thick as a Brick, In the Court of the Crimson King, and Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. They HAVE to honor it's anniversary!
More DT is always better than an opening band.
If it was any other album, it would be different. But SFAM is up there with Close to the Edge, Thick as a Brick, In the Court of the Crimson King, and Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. They HAVE to honor it's anniversary!
It's "Anniversary" meaning which one? Which anniversaries should they recognize? And how many? Every 10th one? 5th one?More DT is always better than an opening band.
I'm with TAC on this one. I hope SFAM doesn't become the main event on the new tour. I'd prefer them to do a more balanced setlist and maybe just a small portion of the set dedicated to the album. There are ways to do it tastefully and I'm sure DT will do it that way, but for now I am cautiously optimistic.
I did really like the way they handled the Awake and Scenes anniversaries a few years ago. That was probably my favorite DT setlist. It was a great balance of celebrating the anniversaries and also showing off the new material. If this tour is anything like that, I'm sure it'll be fine.
Oh, I'd flip. I went nuts when they busted out Ytse Jam on A Dramatic Tour of Events, and I've caught A Fortune in Lies a few times. I'm still bummed that when I missed the Octavarium tour, I missed Afterlife.I'm with you bro. I got into them back in the summer of 1989, so WDaDU was my first exposure to the band and that album will always rate very highly for me because of my history with it. But as many people have said, we are quite the minority in our feelings for that album. Have a look at any of the "rate DT's albums" threads, and you'll almost always see WDaDU at the bottom or only a couple up from the bottom.
I just really dig the album, b/c I go back (like so many others) to the I&W days when Pull Me Under debuted on Headbangers Ball. I found a random used copy of WDADU sometime in '93 when I didn't even know they'd had a previous album. So along with I&W, WDADU laid the foundation for my lifelong love for the band. That's why SFaM doesn't interest me as much: it's an amazing album and I'm glad I got to see the tour for it (my 1st DT show, actually), but I've never *not* been exposed to it in a live setting in some capacity, so it feels like a standard for me at this point. Deeper stuff from WDADU, on the other hand, is something I'd consider a treat.
I’m surprised by how many of you are complaining that they may play what is time and again voted their greatest ever album rather than 70 min of odds and sods from other albums.But it's nice when the band mixes it up on each tour, and brings back different songs that haven't been played in a number of years. And there's plenty of tracks in their back catalog that haven't gotten an airing in quite some time. So yes, it would be nice to have more of the "odds and sods from other albums" setlist. And keep in mind that there's plenty of people here that have seen SFaM performed in it's entirety - for some like myself, multiple times (5 for me) - so it's a been there, done that thing for us.
If they play the whole of SFAM on this tour, that will only be half the show. You will still get another set based around stuff off the new album. SFAM is a bonus set you get instead of sitting through some crappy support band.Fair point - I'll give you that.
:-*Get outta here with your facts.And also, the "celebration of where they came from" tour was the Octavarium tour. No reason to do that again.And yet they did do it again, albeit in a shorter format and only in Europe, in 2015.
Most of these nostalgia acts are not coming up with new material anymore. DT still is. I think they are just combining this with anniversaries of old albums because 1) they want the old fans to hear the new material, and 2) I think somewhere in their mind, they know that they don't really have much time left where they especially JLB can stil do the old material because of physical constraints.But the thing is, there's been much more of a focus on anniversaries than in the past, and it's happening a lot these days. Maybe they are putting out new material (and I'm glad that they are), but when part of the promotion is about the anniversary of _____ album, it does start to smell like nostalgia.
Exactly. They could celebrate an anniversary every single tour if they wanted to. Shortly after they performed WDaDU in LA, I interviewed MP, and here's what he told me when I asked him if we could expect to see album anniversaries:If it was any other album, it would be different. But SFAM is up there with Close to the Edge, Thick as a Brick, In the Court of the Crimson King, and Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. They HAVE to honor it's anniversary!It's "Anniversary" meaning which one? Which anniversaries should they recognize? And how many? Every 10th one? 5th one?
No – I mean every year we could say it’s the anniversary of something. This year is the tenth anniversary of Awake, and we already celebrated the tenth anniversary of Images and Words. That’s not to say that special things like this won’t pop up from time to time, because anything is possible. But When Dream and Day Unite was a special anniversary, because that was something that everyone had always wanted to see performed with the current line-up. So it made sense to celebrate that.While the occasional anniversary celebration is fine, when it starts to happen regularly (as seems to be the case lately), it gets to be overkill and does seem like a nostalgia cash grab.
SFAM is a TAC Top 10 album of all time, so trust me, I love it. I have the utmost confidence that this will be done tastefully and spectacularly.If they play the whole thing, I'd be more on board if it is performed markedly different from the way it was originally and on the album (which Bosk seems to be implying to a degree, so hopefully this is the case). The way they performed the IaW songs on the IWaB tour was great - hope they'll do something along those lines with SFaM.
I'm missing something here. I thought part of the MP lawsuits was that they could never do SFaM from start to finish ever again? Or, now they I'm typing this, maybe it was 12SS they were banned from playing all the way.None of the above. After seeing the agreement that Geoff Tate made with his former bandmates (that they never perform all of O:M at a show), MP commented that he wished he had included such an agreement when he parted ways with DT about the 12SS. But in any case, nothing like that exists between them.
Exactly. They could celebrate an anniversary every single tour if they wanted to. Shortly after they performed WDaDU in LA, I interviewed MP, and here's what he told me when I asked him if we could expect to see album anniversaries:QuoteNo – I mean every year we could say it’s the anniversary of something. This year is the tenth anniversary of Awake, and we already celebrated the tenth anniversary of Images and Words. That’s not to say that special things like this won’t pop up from time to time, because anything is possible. But When Dream and Day Unite was a special anniversary, because that was something that everyone had always wanted to see performed with the current line-up. So it made sense to celebrate that.
No way "everyone has always wanted to see [WDADU] performed with the current line-up."Not sure how far back you go as a fan, but on the old Ytsejam mailing list, that was a topic brought up on a regular basis, and that list was still pretty active until a couple years before they performed it. So I don't think what he was saying was much of a stretch at all.
But really what percentage of fans, and people who attend a DT show, does that represent? I've been a fan since 1992, and I didn't know there was a Ytsejam mailing list.I get what you are saying - there were plenty of fans that couldn't care less about WDaDU. But I think MP was thinking specifically about everyone who had posted on the Ytsejam mailing list where it was regularly brought up. Granted, that was probably the earliest diehard group of DT fans that existed and certainly did not represent every DT fan - in fact probably not even the majority of DT fans. But had you been a part of that list like I was, and I know MP religiously read all the posts (even having fans print out the 'jams for him and the rest of the band before any of them had computers), you would be under the impression that most, if not all DT fans did want to hear WDaDU performed by the current lineup. Not reality any more than assuming that everything posted here on dtf.org is a completely fair representation of the DT fanbase as a whole, but it gives you that impression, and I think the same could be said for MP's perspective back then.
I don't want to question MP's grasp of the fans. But saying everyone, while hyperbolic, is a bit extreme, even for Mike who tends to have tunnel vision.
More DT is always better than an opening band.
This. I honestly hope they never have an opening band again.
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More DT is always better than an opening band.
This. I honestly hope they never have an opening band again.
I'm missing something here. I thought part of the MP lawsuits was that they could never do SFaM from start to finish ever again? Or, now they I'm typing this, maybe it was 12SS they were banned from playing all the way.None of the above. After seeing the agreement that Geoff Tate made with his former bandmates (that they never perform all of O:M at a show), MP commented that he wished he had included such an agreement when he parted ways with DT about the 12SS. But in any case, nothing like that exists between them.
DT fans are super spoiled if this is what they actually have to complain about, their favourite band doing a second set where they play their best ever album in addition to a full concert of other stuff.Basically my opinion. Sure it would be bad if they did a full set of SFAM with nothing else added or altered every five years but Bosk mentioned this would be different and so far every celebration they had was a little different. It's nice you guys saw it every time but many people who are interested in something like this haven't. Heck, Mangini has only played a part of it on one tour, they have a whole new member who hasn't seen this, not just new fans ;D
So yes, DT has become a slight "nostalgia act". But it makes complete commercial sense to do it like this.
So yes, DT has become a slight "nostalgia act". But it makes complete commercial sense to do it like this.
I've been a fan since 1992, and I didn't know there was a Ytsejam mailing list.A regular of the mailing list, called Steve Chew, created an archive of over 6000 digests going back to October 1993. You can find it here: https://interzone.com/Music/Ytsejam/
Not sure how far back you go as a fan, but on the old Ytsejam mailing list, that was a topic brought up on a regular basis, and that list was still pretty active until a couple years before they performed it.I was going to ask you that, Scotty. When did the mailing lists ceased to exist? I can see that, in March 2004, there were less than 30 digests. Does that mean that, by that time, most people had started using message boards and early social media? (MySpace and stuff.)
Screw SFAM. I want a BC&SL 10th Anniversary show!! :metal
Screw SFAM. I want a BC&SL 10th Anniversary show!! :metal
I don’t neee that honestly. I’ve already heard 2/3 of the album live so I’m good! Not that I don’t love that album....
So yes, DT has become a slight "nostalgia act". But it makes complete commercial sense to do it like this.
I don't think DT is anywhere near "nostalgia" territory. Nostalgia territory is when a guy like Tom Petty (rest his soul) releases a new album and only plays 2 songs off it during a two hour set.
I think the I&W tour paved the way for SFAM. In combination with the mixed reactions to TA and the tour, seems like DT are trying to reassure the promoters that they can still gather big audiences and are worth the investment.
Personally, i don't want DT to become a nostalgia act, and even though i would love to see SFAM performed in its entirety, it doesn't show great confidence in the new album to have this announced together with DOT.
Add into the fact that the majority of fans actually got into DT after the SFAM tour.
Add into the fact that the majority of fans actually got into DT after the SFAM tour.
That can't be at all true, can it? Anecdotally, everyone I know who's into DT picked them up either with I&W or Awake. And by the time SFaM came out, it's wasn't a breakthrough (that would be I&W/Awake) as much as it was a solidification. They were firmly entrenched by the time Jordan joined the band.
I love every DT album but BC&SL is in the bottom tier while SFAM is in the top tier.... definiteley want more SFAM and less BC&SLYeah, but your obviously wrong since you rate TA as your favorite album! :biggrin:
I think the I&W tour paved the way for SFAM. In combination with the mixed reactions to TA and the tour, seems like DT are trying to reassure the promoters that they can still gather big audiences and are worth the investment.
Personally, i don't want DT to become a nostalgia act, and even though i would love to see SFAM performed in its entirety, it doesn't show great confidence in the new album to have this announced together with DOT.
(I know it's all just opinion, but it would be nice if they included a track or 2 from BCaSL in the setlist since it has been underrepresented since the BCaSL tour)
Thing is, most people going to the concert will not have seen the original tour anyhow. We're talking almost two decades ago, so anyone below the age of, say, 35 will most likely never have been in a position to see it. Add into the fact that the majority of fans actually got into DT after the SFAM tour.
Add into the fact that the majority of fans actually got into DT after the SFAM tour.
That can't be at all true, can it? Anecdotally, everyone I know who's into DT picked them up either with I&W or Awake. And by the time SFaM came out, it's wasn't a breakthrough (that would be I&W/Awake) as much as it was a solidification. They were firmly entrenched by the time Jordan joined the band.
Thing is, most people going to the concert will not have seen the original tour anyhow. We're talking almost two decades ago, so anyone below the age of, say, 35 will most likely never have been in a position to see it. Add into the fact that the majority of fans actually got into DT after the SFAM tour.
So yes, DT has become a slight "nostalgia act". But it makes complete commercial sense to do it like this.
I think it's a fine line, Sam.
I'm sure I'm overreacting.
I agree with Samsara.
Does "it won't be a rehash of the 2000 tour" mean that we won't get Scenes in full? I'm still trying to find out what this will entail exactly. We had a good chunk of the second half of SFAM represented on Along for the Ride, so does this mean we'll get the first part ONLY this time? Or a "reimagination" of Scenes with the current lineup and changes in the arrangement of certain songs? The last time Scenes was played in full was actually in the Octavarium tour in Sao Paulo, and they played it note for note then.
Thing is, most people going to the concert will not have seen the original tour anyhow. We're talking almost two decades ago, so anyone below the age of, say, 35 will most likely never have been in a position to see it. Add into the fact that the majority of fans actually got into DT after the SFAM tour.
So yes, DT has become a slight "nostalgia act". But it makes complete commercial sense to do it like this.
I was saying the bolded part earlier. That's very true. Look, a band DT's age, nostalgia is a part of it. I mean, Images & Words was done 26 years ago. That's old. I mean, DT should be celebrated for being a band for 30+ years, and that means there will be elements of the past they look to highlight. Scenes from a Memory is one of those.
People who love the record should be excited. As bosk alluded to, even if you saw it like some of us did back in 2000, the production will likely be completely different. Not necessarily BETTER, but different, and likely really something to remember. I may not personally care for SFAM as much as some of you, but the complaining that they are becoming a nostalgia band by performing SFAM is laughable. The tour is based around the new record, with Scenes as a bonus. It's a win-win. And those that are so anti-nostalgia they can't handle it...DT's first album came out in 1989. That was 30 years ago. There will be nostalgia in EVERYTHING they do at this point. The key thing is, they are still relevant because they don't RELY on the nostalgia. They include it as a bonus.
Take Fates Warning -- they've played Parallels reunion shows, and then came back with a killer record in Theories of Flight that is completely bad ass and contemporary. No one would accuse Fates of being a nostalgia act. Just like no one should be calling Dream Theater a nostalgia act for giving fans a treat like SFAM. They are doing it for the fans as a bonus as a PART OF the support tour for their new record.
I’m 23 right now, which means I was 4 when it was released, I obviously didn’t have a clue about it then :lol
Add into the fact that the majority of fans actually got into DT after the SFAM tour.
That can't be at all true, can it? Anecdotally, everyone I know who's into DT picked them up either with I&W or Awake. And by the time SFaM came out, it's wasn't a breakthrough (that would be I&W/Awake) as much as it was a solidification. They were firmly entrenched by the time Jordan joined the band.
(I know it's all just opinion, but it would be nice if they included a track or 2 from BCaSL in the setlist since it has been underrepresented since the BCaSL tour)
The Count of Tuscany!!!!
(A Nightmare to Remember also would be acceptable.)
I've only seen A Rite of Passage (when they opened for Iron Maiden) and The Shattered Fortress (which was a great surprise on Along for the Ride).
Wither is one of their way-too-frequent dark plodding (IMO) songs, and The Best of Times is pretty much a Portnoy thing, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's not really under consideration.
Take Fates Warning -- they've played Parallels reunion shows, and then came back with a killer record in Theories of Flight that is completely bad ass and contemporary. No one would accuse Fates of being a nostalgia act. Just like no one should be calling Dream Theater a nostalgia act for giving fans a treat like SFAM. They are doing it for the fans as a bonus as a PART OF the support tour for their new record.
instead of just playing 2 songs from the new album and then doing the same old setlist over and over again (Megadeth, I’m looking at you).
And in between the Parallels reunion shows and ToF, we got Darkness in a Different Light, which I think is a far superior album to ToF.
That being said, I agree that a band like DT, which releases new material with the frequency that they do, is definitely NOT a nostalgia act. When I think of "nostalgia acts," I think of bands like Styx, who was one of my very first "favorite" bands when I started getting into rock music. Only three albums in the 21st Century, one of which is an album of cover material. And, prior to the release of The Mission, when was the last time they played anything released after 1983 (and not called "One with Everything")?
P -- I think it is more then just MAKING new music. You have to support it. DT supports its new material, just like Fates does. They go out, and come hell or high water, play a LOT of it. And that's the way it should be. Queensryche, unfortunately, does not play a lot of its latest material. They have become a nostalgia act because of that. Same category as say...a Def Leppard. Makes new music, but barely plays it in favor of the old standards.
p.s. as for Darkness vs. Theories - I think Darkness had a couple of missteps, so I go with Theories. That said, however, One Thousand Fires is just amazing.
I was going to ask you that, Scotty. When did the mailing lists ceased to exist? I can see that, in March 2004, there were less than 30 digests. Does that mean that, by that time, most people had started using message boards and early social media? (MySpace and stuff.)I think by 2001, 2002 a good portion of the fans migrated to the message boards from the mailing list (social media probably at least few years later). I know Skadz still has 'jams going up to 2005 or 2006, but they're pretty slim pickins for content. Can't remember how long I stayed subscribed the last time I was, but I remember eventually it seemed pointless to continue receiving them, getting one once a week or so with little worthwhile in them.
I think the I&W tour paved the way for SFAM. In combination with the mixed reactions to TA and the tour, seems like DT are trying to reassure the promoters that they can still gather big audiences and are worth the investment.I do think that there is probably some truth to this. And if that's what they need to get back into the promoters good graces, so be it. As was already mentioned - a second set of DT (even if just an album front to back) is better than sitting through an opening act I have little to no interest in. But I would be worried that this will become a crutch that the band would start to have to rely on, just to get good guarantees from promoters. I'd hate to see it evolve into that kind of situation.
Personally, i don't want DT to become a nostalgia act, and even though i would love to see SFAM performed in its entirety, it doesn't show great confidence in the new album to have this announced together with DOT.
Yeah, but does this forum represent the DT fanbase as a whole? I'd say no. If you were to go to some of the other places, such as the FB groups, you'll see that there's plenty of old school fans still around. Is what Noxon saying the truth? Possibly - but "majority" can be 51%. So my point is, while more than half the fanbase may have come into the picture since 2000, that doesn't mean that a siginificant portion of the fanbase hasn't been around since before that time.Not sure Awake qualifies as a breakthrough.Add into the fact that the majority of fans actually got into DT after the SFAM tour.That can't be at all true, can it? Anecdotally, everyone I know who's into DT picked them up either with I&W or Awake. And by the time SFaM came out, it's wasn't a breakthrough (that would be I&W/Awake) as much as it was a solidification. They were firmly entrenched by the time Jordan joined the band.
But hang around here a bit, and you'll see that most of this place got into DT after Scenes.
If you’re going to play SFAM on tour, you wouldn’t hide it though would you, it would have to be mentioned in the tour announcement if you’re looking to maximise ticket sales. Don’t think it reflects their confidence or lack of confidence in the new album at all. Just makes absolute commercial sense to tell people it’s going to be a special show so don’t miss it.Of course it's being mentioned to maximize ticket sales - I think that's a given! It doesn't reflect them having a lack of confidence in their new album, but it might reflect a lack of confidence from the promoters, which is an important piece of the puzzle.
complaining that they are becoming a nostalgia band by performing SFAM is laughable.I don't think anybody would be making it an issue if it wasn't for the fact that they just did the anniversary tour for IaW last year. And 3 years before that celebrated the 20th anniversary of Awake by performing the second half of that album, never mind the encore of SFaM track (celebrating it's 15th anniversary).
While that is true, they played 4 songs from SFaM for the encore, which is 1/3 of the album, which is still noteworthy enough.Does "it won't be a rehash of the 2000 tour" mean that we won't get Scenes in full? I'm still trying to find out what this will entail exactly. We had a good chunk of the second half of SFAM represented on Along for the Ride, so does this mean we'll get the first part ONLY this time? Or a "reimagination" of Scenes with the current lineup and changes in the arrangement of certain songs? The last time Scenes was played in full was actually in the Octavarium tour in Sao Paulo, and they played it note for note then.When you say “a good chunk”, they only played 2 songs from the second half of the album and one of them was an instrumental.
The Count and A Nightmare are both too longBut what's wrong with including one of them? So they take up enough space for 2/3 other songs - that doesn't mean they're not worthy of consideration, especially given that TCoT is a fan favorite from that album, and ANtR is one they auditioned MM with. Besides, I think it would be cool to hear a rendition of ANtR with MM on drums, and see what they'd do with the "angry vocal" section of the song (perhaps have JL do it - I think he could do it justice in his Awake-style voice).
A Rite of Passage is one of their blah "single"-type songs of the latter 00's (along with Forsaken and Constant Motion).You might not like any of those songs, but both CM and Forsaken have already been performed live - why not ARoP, which is a fairly catchy song? And Wither would be a great choice since it was only sporadically played in the North and South America, and never played in Asia.
That's cool.I agree with Samsara.
You know I gotta sig you now, hef. :hat
I think the I&W tour paved the way for SFAM. In combination with the mixed reactions to TA and the tour, seems like DT are trying to reassure the promoters that they can still gather big audiences and are worth the investment.I do think that there is probably some truth to this. And if that's what they need to get back into the promoters good graces, so be it. As was already mentioned - a second set of DT (even if just an album front to back) is better than sitting through an opening act I have little to no interest in. But I would be worried that this will become a crutch that the band would start to have to rely on, just to get good guarantees from promoters. I'd hate to see it evolve into that kind of situation.
Personally, i don't want DT to become a nostalgia act, and even though i would love to see SFAM performed in its entirety, it doesn't show great confidence in the new album to have this announced together with DOT.
Yeah, but does this forum represent the DT fanbase as a whole? I'd say no. If you were to go to some of the other places, such as the FB groups, you'll see that there's plenty of old school fans still around. Is what Noxon saying the truth? Possibly - but "majority" can be 51%. So my point is, while more than half the fanbase may have come into the picture since 2000, that doesn't mean that a siginificant portion of the fanbase hasn't been around since before that time.Not sure Awake qualifies as a breakthrough.Add into the fact that the majority of fans actually got into DT after the SFAM tour.That can't be at all true, can it? Anecdotally, everyone I know who's into DT picked them up either with I&W or Awake. And by the time SFaM came out, it's wasn't a breakthrough (that would be I&W/Awake) as much as it was a solidification. They were firmly entrenched by the time Jordan joined the band.
But hang around here a bit, and you'll see that most of this place got into DT after Scenes.
Don't forget YouTube compresses audio drastically, so the actual sound of the record may be slightly different.fixed
Agreed. It won't be super different, but it definitely should be taken into account that YouTube compresses audio.
P -- I think it is more then just MAKING new music. You have to support it. DT supports its new material, just like Fates does. They go out, and come hell or high water, play a LOT of it. And that's the way it should be. Queensryche, unfortunately, does not play a lot of its latest material. They have become a nostalgia act because of that. Same category as say...a Def Leppard. Makes new music, but barely plays it in favor of the old standards.
p.s. as for Darkness vs. Theories - I think Darkness had a couple of missteps, so I go with Theories. That said, however, One Thousand Fires is just amazing.
Concur, and we can debate DiaDL versus ToF over a couple beers if I make it up to NoCal for the QR/FW shows in March.
A Rite of Passage is one of their blah "single"-type songs of the latter 00's (along with Forsaken and Constant Motion).You might not like any of those songs, but both CM and Forsaken have already been performed live - why not ARoP, which is a fairly catchy song? And Wither would be a great choice since it was only sporadically played in the North and South America, and never played in Asia.
I think by 2001, 2002 a good portion of the fans migrated to the message boards from the mailing list (social media probably at least few years later). I know Skadz still has 'jams going up to 2005 or 2006, but they're pretty slim pickins for content. Can't remember how long I stayed subscribed the last time I was, but I remember eventually it seemed pointless to continue receiving them, getting one once a week or so with little worthwhile in them.OK, thanks. Did Ryan become a member of the forums?
I would MUCH RATHER see WDADU played in full than SFAM which I've seen played many times before, but that's just me.
I love WDADU but you’d be in a tiny minority in favouring it over SFAM. When did you see SFAM played many times before. They haven’t played it for nearly 20 years as far as I am aware.
Personally, I would be satisfied if the guys included a couple of WDADU tracks into the setlist this time around, and not the usual suspects (A Fortune in Lies, Ytsejam or Afterlife) - besides The Killing Hand, it would be nice to see them resurrect Only a Matter of Time, or if they were really bold Light Fuse and Get Away.
I would MUCH RATHER see WDADU played in full than SFAM which I've seen played many times before, but that's just me.
I love WDADU but you’d be in a tiny minority in favouring it over SFAM. When did you see SFAM played many times before. They haven’t played it for nearly 20 years as far as I am aware.
Saw it in full 4 times in 2000 and I've seen most of the songs played many times since then (Through Her Eyes excluded unfortunately as I LOVE that song).
Changing tack a little, I noticed people comparing DT favourably with the likes of Megadeth who play a similar set of songs time after time. Although not always fashionable on here these days, that is something we should praise Mike Portnoy for. It would’ve been very easy for DT to fall into that thing of having staple classic songs that they have to play every night. If you go to see Megadeth, you know you’re getting Holy War, Symphony Of Destruction, Peace Sells etc, there’d be a riot if you didn’t. This goes for most bands, if you see Bon Jovi, you’re getting Livin On A Prayer, Wanted Dead Or Alive, You Give Love A Bad Name, Bad Medicine etc. and, again, that is what fans expect. It would have been very easy for DT to fall into that thing where they had to play Metropolis, Pull Me Under, The Spirit Carries On, The Mirror etc in every show as fan favourites but Mike decided very early on that they would not do that. That fans cannot turn up to every show demanding to hear Metropolis and we became educated to accept whatever great set DT put on. It’s served them well over the years and means we’re always excited to hear whatever they decide to play.
Changing tack a little, I noticed people comparing DT favourably with the likes of Megadeth who play a similar set of songs time after time. Although not always fashionable on here these days, that is something we should praise Mike Portnoy for. It would’ve been very easy for DT to fall into that thing of having staple classic songs that they have to play every night. If you go to see Megadeth, you know you’re getting Holy War, Symphony Of Destruction, Peace Sells etc, there’d be a riot if you didn’t. This goes for most bands, if you see Bon Jovi, you’re getting Livin On A Prayer, Wanted Dead Or Alive, You Give Love A Bad Name, Bad Medicine etc. and, again, that is what fans expect. It would have been very easy for DT to fall into that thing where they had to play Metropolis, Pull Me Under, The Spirit Carries On, The Mirror etc in every show as fan favourites but Mike decided very early on that they would not do that. That fans cannot turn up to every show demanding to hear Metropolis and we became educated to accept whatever great set DT put on. It’s served them well over the years and means we’re always excited to hear whatever they decide to play.
Amen, brother.
Changing tack a little, I noticed people comparing DT favourably with the likes of Megadeth who play a similar set of songs time after time. Although not always fashionable on here these days, that is something we should praise Mike Portnoy for. It would’ve been very easy for DT to fall into that thing of having staple classic songs that they have to play every night. If you go to see Megadeth, you know you’re getting Holy War, Symphony Of Destruction, Peace Sells etc, there’d be a riot if you didn’t. This goes for most bands, if you see Bon Jovi, you’re getting Livin On A Prayer, Wanted Dead Or Alive, You Give Love A Bad Name, Bad Medicine etc. and, again, that is what fans expect. It would have been very easy for DT to fall into that thing where they had to play Metropolis, Pull Me Under, The Spirit Carries On, The Mirror etc in every show as fan favourites but Mike decided very early on that they would not do that. That fans cannot turn up to every show demanding to hear Metropolis and we became educated to accept whatever great set DT put on. It’s served them well over the years and means we’re always excited to hear whatever they decide to play.
Amen, brother.
Also, I feel like outside of the super hardcore fans, most people going to see a band like Bon Jovi only know the hits. If they played more than one song back to back that wasn't on the radio, the audience would be bored stiff. DT doesn't have to worry about that problem.
Sure, but I was talking about DTF. I'm sure there's tons of old school DT fans out there and honestly I have zero idea what the Pre/Post SFAM fan ratio is.Right. But you understand why I bring it up, don't you? Just because the vast majority of the people on this forum became fans later doesn't mean that the same percentage of DT fans across the world also became fans later. ;)
I have no idea what this FB group thingy is that you speak of is. ;DYou technophobe! (I won't say old fogey, because I think I'm only a little younger than you) :P
Good call on that Tokyo show - forgot about that. It was also played the day before in Japan too. So I guess I should have said "only sporadically played in North and South America and Japan."A Rite of Passage is one of their blah "single"-type songs of the latter 00's (along with Forsaken and Constant Motion).You might not like any of those songs, but both CM and Forsaken have already been performed live - why not ARoP, which is a fairly catchy song? And Wither would be a great choice since it was only sporadically played in the North and South America, and never played in Asia.
Wither live at Summer Sonic (Tokyo) 2010 ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXnOiImiNUQ
It was also played live during their short 30th anniversary tour in Europe, btw.
Not that I'm aware of.I think by 2001, 2002 a good portion of the fans migrated to the message boards from the mailing list (social media probably at least few years later). I know Skadz still has 'jams going up to 2005 or 2006, but they're pretty slim pickins for content. Can't remember how long I stayed subscribed the last time I was, but I remember eventually it seemed pointless to continue receiving them, getting one once a week or so with little worthwhile in them.OK, thanks. Did Ryan become a member of the forums?
I also don’t feel like they’ve really played the individual songs a lot apart from TSCO obviously and TDOE has been played on at least a couple of tours. When they pulled out Overture 1928 and Strange Deja Vu in the DT12 tour they felt totally fresh to me like I hadn’t heard much off SFAM for many years.I can see what you're saying, although a variety of SFaM tracks were usually included on any given tour. It was only from 2010-2012 (as well as 2016-2017) where the number of songs from that album dropped off significantly.
Changing tack a little, I noticed people comparing DT favourably with the likes of Megadeth who play a similar set of songs time after time. Although not always fashionable on here these days, that is something we should praise Mike Portnoy for. <snip> It would have been very easy for DT to fall into that thing where they had to play Metropolis, Pull Me Under, The Spirit Carries On, The Mirror etc in every show as fan favourites but Mike decided very early on that they would not do that. That fans cannot turn up to every show demanding to hear Metropolis and we became educated to accept whatever great set DT put on. It’s served them well over the years and means we’re always excited to hear whatever they decide to play.Amen! And I'm glad that the band has largely continued down that road since MP left (tho I think TSCO and BAI could be given a long rest). But had MP not implemented that early on, I fear that they would've been just another band playing all the perennial favorites, slotting in a few older tracks and introducing several songs from the latest album. Glad that didn't happen.
I would MUCH RATHER see WDADU played in full than SFAM which I've seen played many times before, but that's just me.
I love WDADU but you’d be in a tiny minority in favouring it over SFAM. When did you see SFAM played many times before. They haven’t played it for nearly 20 years as far as I am aware.
Saw it in full 4 times in 2000 and I've seen most of the songs played many times since then (Through Her Eyes excluded unfortunately as I LOVE that song).
Wow that’s cool you saw it 4 times, I was also there in 2000 but it’s still nearly 20 years since we saw it. It’s not like they’re constantly pulling it out. I also don’t feel like they’ve really played the individual songs a lot apart from TSCO obviously and TDOE has been played on at least a couple of tours. When they pulled out Overture 1928 and Strange Deja Vu in the DT12 tour they felt totally fresh to me like I hadn’t heard much off SFAM for many years.
Changing tack a little, I noticed people comparing DT favourably with the likes of Megadeth who play a similar set of songs time after time. Although not always fashionable on here these days, that is something we should praise Mike Portnoy for. It would’ve been very easy for DT to fall into that thing of having staple classic songs that they have to play every night. If you go to see Megadeth, you know you’re getting Holy War, Symphony Of Destruction, Peace Sells etc, there’d be a riot if you didn’t. This goes for most bands, if you see Bon Jovi, you’re getting Livin On A Prayer, Wanted Dead Or Alive, You Give Love A Bad Name, Bad Medicine etc. and, again, that is what fans expect. It would have been very easy for DT to fall into that thing where they had to play Metropolis, Pull Me Under, The Spirit Carries On, The Mirror etc in every show as fan favourites but Mike decided very early on that they would not do that. That fans cannot turn up to every show demanding to hear Metropolis and we became educated to accept whatever great set DT put on. It’s served them well over the years and means we’re always excited to hear whatever they decide to play.
The Count and A Nightmare are both too longBut what's wrong with including one of them? So they take up enough space for 2/3 other songs - that doesn't mean they're not worthy of consideration, especially given that TCoT is a fan favorite from that album, and ANtR is one they auditioned MM with. Besides, I think it would be cool to hear a rendition of ANtR with MM on drums, and see what they'd do with the "angry vocal" section of the song (perhaps have JL do it - I think he could do it justice in his Awake-style voice).
So yes, DT has become a slight "nostalgia act". But it makes complete commercial sense to do it like this.
I don't think DT is anywhere near "nostalgia" territory. Nostalgia territory is when a guy like Tom Petty (rest his soul) releases a new album and only plays 2 songs off it during a two hour set.
DT tweeted this yesterday. I wonder if they will be playing both albums in full?
DT: Just to clarify, ALL announced dates on our 2019 USA 🇺🇸 and Canada 🇨🇦 tour will feature songs from both our new album ‘Distance Over Time’ and ‘Metropolis Pt. 2 Scenes From A Memory’. We can’t wait to get back on the road!
Zero chance of me buying this show. $100 is the CHEAPEST - 2nd balcony, last three rows - seat in Toronto. Coupled with it being a 2 hour drive for me from where I'll be living in April. Not to mention my severe disappointment the last time I went to a concert that went on sale before the album dropped. Not going to go thru that again. If seats become available the week of the show, I'll consider it (assuming the album is good).
Really not impressed with the band to do this to fans again - shell out this kind of money to listen to music we haven't even heard. I'm not gonna get fooled again with that tactic.
Yeah, but does this forum represent the DT fanbase as a whole? I'd say no. If you were to go to some of the other places, such as the FB groups, you'll see that there's plenty of old school fans still around. Is what Noxon saying the truth? Possibly - but "majority" can be 51%. So my point is, while more than half the fanbase may have come into the picture since 2000, that doesn't mean that a siginificant portion of the fanbase hasn't been around since before that time.Not sure Awake qualifies as a breakthrough.Add into the fact that the majority of fans actually got into DT after the SFAM tour.That can't be at all true, can it? Anecdotally, everyone I know who's into DT picked them up either with I&W or Awake. And by the time SFaM came out, it's wasn't a breakthrough (that would be I&W/Awake) as much as it was a solidification. They were firmly entrenched by the time Jordan joined the band.
But hang around here a bit, and you'll see that most of this place got into DT after Scenes.
Zero chance of me buying this show. $100 is the CHEAPEST - 2nd balcony, last three rows - seat in Toronto. Coupled with it being a 2 hour drive for me from where I'll be living in April. Not to mention my severe disappointment the last time I went to a concert that went on sale before the album dropped. Not going to go thru that again. If seats become available the week of the show, I'll consider it (assuming the album is good).
Really not impressed with the band to do this to fans again - shell out this kind of money to listen to music we haven't even heard. I'm not gonna get fooled again with that tactic.
and actual hard statistics gathered from social media.
Laughing at that shows your age.and actual hard statistics gathered from social media.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
I guess for me, I've never disliked any album since I've been a fan so its easy for me to take that leap of faith and get tickets before hearing the new album.Zero chance of me buying this show. $100 is the CHEAPEST - 2nd balcony, last three rows - seat in Toronto. Coupled with it being a 2 hour drive for me from where I'll be living in April. Not to mention my severe disappointment the last time I went to a concert that went on sale before the album dropped. Not going to go thru that again. If seats become available the week of the show, I'll consider it (assuming the album is good).
Really not impressed with the band to do this to fans again - shell out this kind of money to listen to music we haven't even heard. I'm not gonna get fooled again with that tactic.
That seems to be the common practice these days, putting concert tickets on sale before fans have had a chance to hear the new album that is forthcoming. I'm not a fan of it either, but it just seems like it is the way it is now.
I notice I'm in the 0.702 percentile, where we have a less than zero chance of finding a woman our age...
Zero chance of me buying this show. $100 is the CHEAPEST - 2nd balcony, last three rows - seat in Toronto. Coupled with it being a 2 hour drive for me from where I'll be living in April. Not to mention my severe disappointment the last time I went to a concert that went on sale before the album dropped. Not going to go thru that again. If seats become available the week of the show, I'll consider it (assuming the album is good).
Really not impressed with the band to do this to fans again - shell out this kind of money to listen to music we haven't even heard. I'm not gonna get fooled again with that tactic.
That seems to be the common practice these days, putting concert tickets on sale before fans have had a chance to hear the new album that is forthcoming. I'm not a fan of it either, but it just seems like it is the way it is now.
There's actually some cheap 25$ tickets for the NJ show. I might just grab one of those, would be the cheapest I've ever paid for DT. Looking to get a better seat though for the NYC show, that goes on sale in a half hour.
There's actually some cheap 25$ tickets for the NJ show. I might just grab one of those, would be the cheapest I've ever paid for DT. Looking to get a better seat though for the NYC show, that goes on sale in a half hour.
What site are you finding those kinds of tickets at? Ticketmaster? If not. Is it primarily associated with the venue's website or can we search for other shows?
Got orchestra seats for Charlotte.
Got orchestra seats for Charlotte.
Where are you Hef? I'm C 1&2.
I my wife and I get there early enough (and we should) we'll have to all find a spot for dinner before the show maybe... there are several 4-star + places around Ovens.
And for yourself?:lol
:neverusethis:
having seen almost all of it already through various shows
This... this is why I feel the way I do. It's not like the album has been underrepresented since its release, and certainly not since the tour 5 years ago. I get that some people might want to see all of it in order, but in terms of pure exposure, it's not that special. It's the same reason Geoff Tate touring on the 30th anniversary of Operation: Mindcrime was a big ol' "meh, whatever" from me: I've seen it in its entirety already, and QR proper plays enough of it as is (as they did when Tate was still in the band).
To be frank, its not that Scenes is what is being promoted. The new album is PLUS Scenes. It appears the band's marketing is (rightly so) focused on the new album, and its "hey, you liked the whole album thing so much, we'll do Scenes considering it is the 20th anniversary of it."
It'd be different if the tour was billed as the 20th Anniversary Tour of Scenes From a Memory (plus new music and hits). That would be...weird for DT.
As I said in the locked thread, I don't particularly like this tour (and will not be attending), but I see why they are doing it, and I'm pleased for fans who never got to see SFAM in its entirety (of which there are many, since DT's popularity skyrocketed after Scenes).
Seems very Queensryche-ish.
I also think the Queensrÿche comparison is hugely unfair as if DT are becoming some nostalgia act just doing a cash grab playing their old albums.Exactly. This is a far, FAR cry from that. See above.
Again, Bosk alluded to this being something special, so I'll have to have faith and take his word on that, because he obviously knows something we do not.
I believe this should all respond to what you said when you PM’d me, zappafrank2112, so I don’t plan to send a separate response to your PM. Again, sorry for not responding to that earlier. But if you want to further discuss why that thread was closed, send me another PM and we’ll go from there.
The tour is based around the new record, with Scenes as a bonus. It's a win-win.
It TOTALLY is a fine line. I just don't think DT has crossed it.
Images and Words sorta pushed it. That was nostalgia, but I sorta get it...
Seems like it’s definite then, the whole of Scenes live.
Bosk, I'd imagine you're not at liberty to say specifics, but do you know if there's any plan to differentiate the two LA shows? I'm happy to see the same show twice in a row especially if we're getting all of SFAM, which i haven't gotten to see before, but for how rarely they have back-to-back shows in one city like this it seems like the perfect opportunity to change things up a bit. the only other benefit to two dates like this could be to shoot a dvd, but i doubt they'd be attempting that so early in a tour
I'm in Q. So several rows back lol.Got orchestra seats for Charlotte.
Where are you Hef? I'm C 1&2.
I my wife and I get there early enough (and we should) we'll have to all find a spot for dinner before the show maybe... there are several 4-star + places around Ovens.Sounds good to me!
Bosk, this seems an apropos time to say thanks very much for sharing what you share and acting as sort of a liaison between this fan group and the band!!
Thanks, guys. I'm sure the two of you realize (although others may not) that it is a fine line that is difficult to walk. JP has told me to my face that he considers me a "friend," and that he tells his friends things that he doesn't tell others. But that being said, I am obviously a different kind of friend than, say, his bandmates, or the guy he knew since middle school that he hangs out with on weekends when not on tour (I don't have any particular person in mind--just speaking hypothetically about such a person). I am a fan. I want to know things just because I am a fan of the band. So I try to use my best judgment and not bug him about things, don't communicate too often, don't communicate about things that are trivial, and so on. He wants to be in touch with questions or issues the fan base has. But he also wants appropriate boundaries on his private life, as anyone would. So it's always a judgment call. One of the things I appreciate most from both him as my primary contact (and this is true of the rest of the band as well), and from management, is that they are pretty clear about when something is for my own knowledge or whether it can be shared. And when it is not clear, they are quick to answer my questions trying to get clarification.Bosk, this seems an apropos time to say thanks very much for sharing what you share and acting as sort of a liaison between this fan group and the band!!
Always!!
I'm in Q. So several rows back lol.Got orchestra seats for Charlotte.
Where are you Hef? I'm C 1&2.I my wife and I get there early enough (and we should) we'll have to all find a spot for dinner before the show maybe... there are several 4-star + places around Ovens.Sounds good to me!
Thanks, guys. I'm sure the two of you realize (although others may not) that it is a fine line that is difficult to walk. JP has told me to my face that he considers me a "friend," and that he tells his friends things that he doesn't tell others. But that being said, I am obviously a different kind of friend than, say, his bandmates, or the guy he knew since middle school that he hangs out with on weekends when not on tour (I don't have any particular person in mind--just speaking hypothetically about such a person). I am a fan. I want to know things just because I am a fan of the band. So I try to use my best judgment and not bug him about things, don't communicate too often, don't communicate about things that are trivial, and so on. He wants to be in touch with questions or issues the fan base has. But he also wants appropriate boundaries on his private life, as anyone would. So it's always a judgment call. One of the things I appreciate most from both him as my primary contact (and this is true of the rest of the band as well), and from management, is that they are pretty clear about when something is for my own knowledge or whether it can be shared. And when it is not clear, they are quick to answer my questions trying to get clarification.Bosk, this seems an apropos time to say thanks very much for sharing what you share and acting as sort of a liaison between this fan group and the band!!
Always!!
So, I guess two brief points, to summarize:
1. I appreciate the thanks.
2. The band wants me in this position because they like the fan feedback, and they want you guys to know that the band listens.
So, apparently James was in Buenos Aires a couple days ago:
https://www.facebook.com/DreamTheaterArgentinaOficial/photos/a.728048010594238/1961462637252763
Thanks, guys. I'm sure the two of you realize (although others may not) that it is a fine line that is difficult to walk. JP has told me to my face that he considers me a "friend," and that he tells his friends things that he doesn't tell others. But that being said, I am obviously a different kind of friend than, say, his bandmates, or the guy he knew since middle school that he hangs out with on weekends when not on tour (I don't have any particular person in mind--just speaking hypothetically about such a person). I am a fan. I want to know things just because I am a fan of the band. So I try to use my best judgment and not bug him about things, don't communicate too often, don't communicate about things that are trivial, and so on. He wants to be in touch with questions or issues the fan base has. But he also wants appropriate boundaries on his private life, as anyone would. So it's always a judgment call. One of the things I appreciate most from both him as my primary contact (and this is true of the rest of the band as well), and from management, is that they are pretty clear about when something is for my own knowledge or whether it can be shared. And when it is not clear, they are quick to answer my questions trying to get clarification.Bosk, this seems an apropos time to say thanks very much for sharing what you share and acting as sort of a liaison between this fan group and the band!!
Always!!
So, I guess two brief points, to summarize:
1. I appreciate the thanks.
2. The band wants me in this position because they like the fan feedback, and they want you guys to know that the band listens.
Por cierto, ¿qué parte de Buenos Aires es? Como para visitar algún día :tupThat's Puerto Madero. You can find the original picture here:
:heart :heart :heartThanks, guys. I'm sure the two of you realize (although others may not) that it is a fine line that is difficult to walk. JP has told me to my face that he considers me a "friend," and that he tells his friends things that he doesn't tell others. But that being said, I am obviously a different kind of friend than, say, his bandmates, or the guy he knew since middle school that he hangs out with on weekends when not on tour (I don't have any particular person in mind--just speaking hypothetically about such a person). I am a fan. I want to know things just because I am a fan of the band. So I try to use my best judgment and not bug him about things, don't communicate too often, don't communicate about things that are trivial, and so on. He wants to be in touch with questions or issues the fan base has. But he also wants appropriate boundaries on his private life, as anyone would. So it's always a judgment call. One of the things I appreciate most from both him as my primary contact (and this is true of the rest of the band as well), and from management, is that they are pretty clear about when something is for my own knowledge or whether it can be shared. And when it is not clear, they are quick to answer my questions trying to get clarification.Bosk, this seems an apropos time to say thanks very much for sharing what you share and acting as sort of a liaison between this fan group and the band!!
Always!!
So, I guess two brief points, to summarize:
1. I appreciate the thanks.
2. The band wants me in this position because they like the fan feedback, and they want you guys to know that the band listens.
Por cierto, ¿qué parte de Buenos Aires es? Como para visitar algún día :tupThat's Puerto Madero. You can find the original picture here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:193_-_Buenos_Aires_-_Puerto_Madero_-_Janvier_2010.jpg
The (pronounced D) asTonishing (T is pronounced with most stress)
The (pronounced D) asTonishing (T is pronounced with most stress)
you tried
Thanks, guys. I'm sure the two of you realize (although others may not) that it is a fine line that is difficult to walk. JP has told me to my face that he considers me a "friend," and that he tells his friends things that he doesn't tell others. But that being said, I am obviously a different kind of friend than, say, his bandmates, or the guy he knew since middle school that he hangs out with on weekends when not on tour (I don't have any particular person in mind--just speaking hypothetically about such a person). I am a fan. I want to know things just because I am a fan of the band. So I try to use my best judgment and not bug him about things, don't communicate too often, don't communicate about things that are trivial, and so on. He wants to be in touch with questions or issues the fan base has. But he also wants appropriate boundaries on his private life, as anyone would. So it's always a judgment call. One of the things I appreciate most from both him as my primary contact (and this is true of the rest of the band as well), and from management, is that they are pretty clear about when something is for my own knowledge or whether it can be shared. And when it is not clear, they are quick to answer my questions trying to get clarification.Bosk, this seems an apropos time to say thanks very much for sharing what you share and acting as sort of a liaison between this fan group and the band!!
Always!!
So, I guess two brief points, to summarize:
1. I appreciate the thanks.
2. The band wants me in this position because they like the fan feedback, and they want you guys to know that the band listens.
Thanks, guys. I'm sure the two of you realize (although others may not) that it is a fine line that is difficult to walk. JP has told me to my face that he considers me a "friend," and that he tells his friends things that he doesn't tell others. But that being said, I am obviously a different kind of friend than, say, his bandmates, or the guy he knew since middle school that he hangs out with on weekends when not on tour (I don't have any particular person in mind--just speaking hypothetically about such a person). I am a fan. I want to know things just because I am a fan of the band. So I try to use my best judgment and not bug him about things, don't communicate too often, don't communicate about things that are trivial, and so on. He wants to be in touch with questions or issues the fan base has. But he also wants appropriate boundaries on his private life, as anyone would. So it's always a judgment call. One of the things I appreciate most from both him as my primary contact (and this is true of the rest of the band as well), and from management, is that they are pretty clear about when something is for my own knowledge or whether it can be shared. And when it is not clear, they are quick to answer my questions trying to get clarification.Bosk, this seems an apropos time to say thanks very much for sharing what you share and acting as sort of a liaison between this fan group and the band!!
Always!!
So, I guess two brief points, to summarize:
1. I appreciate the thanks.
2. The band wants me in this position because they like the fan feedback, and they want you guys to know that the band listens.
That sounds like the most reasonable approach and I'm sure JP and the guys appreciate it and have come to trust you. There are local bands I know quite well, with the band members being the ones who actually reach out to me at gigs to say hi rather than the other way around, and still I would never call them "friends" or go as far as asking personal stuff on Facebook even though we're all friends there. I can only imagine what it's like to try to not cross the line with DREAM FRIGGIN' THEATER. But you're doing quite well with that as you explained so congratulations and thank you for being our voice :tup
Thanks, guys. I'm sure the two of you realize (although others may not) that it is a fine line that is difficult to walk. JP has told me to my face that he considers me a "friend," and that he tells his friends things that he doesn't tell others. But that being said, I am obviously a different kind of friend than, say, his bandmates, or the guy he knew since middle school that he hangs out with on weekends when not on tour (I don't have any particular person in mind--just speaking hypothetically about such a person). I am a fan. I want to know things just because I am a fan of the band. So I try to use my best judgment and not bug him about things, don't communicate too often, don't communicate about things that are trivial, and so on. He wants to be in touch with questions or issues the fan base has. But he also wants appropriate boundaries on his private life, as anyone would. So it's always a judgment call. One of the things I appreciate most from both him as my primary contact (and this is true of the rest of the band as well), and from management, is that they are pretty clear about when something is for my own knowledge or whether it can be shared. And when it is not clear, they are quick to answer my questions trying to get clarification.Bosk, this seems an apropos time to say thanks very much for sharing what you share and acting as sort of a liaison between this fan group and the band!!
Always!!
So, I guess two brief points, to summarize:
1. I appreciate the thanks.
2. The band wants me in this position because they like the fan feedback, and they want you guys to know that the band listens.
Thanks, guys. I'm sure the two of you realize (although others may not) that it is a fine line that is difficult to walk. JP has told me to my face that he considers me a "friend," and that he tells his friends things that he doesn't tell others. But that being said, I am obviously a different kind of friend than, say, his bandmates, or the guy he knew since middle school that he hangs out with on weekends when not on tour (I don't have any particular person in mind--just speaking hypothetically about such a person). I am a fan. I want to know things just because I am a fan of the band. So I try to use my best judgment and not bug him about things, don't communicate too often, don't communicate about things that are trivial, and so on. He wants to be in touch with questions or issues the fan base has. But he also wants appropriate boundaries on his private life, as anyone would. So it's always a judgment call. One of the things I appreciate most from both him as my primary contact (and this is true of the rest of the band as well), and from management, is that they are pretty clear about when something is for my own knowledge or whether it can be shared. And when it is not clear, they are quick to answer my questions trying to get clarification.Bosk, this seems an apropos time to say thanks very much for sharing what you share and acting as sort of a liaison between this fan group and the band!!
Always!!
So, I guess two brief points, to summarize:
1. I appreciate the thanks.
2. The band wants me in this position because they like the fan feedback, and they want you guys to know that the band listens.
- As far as the tour itself, I am so fucking excited :metal :metal. Scenes From A Memory is my single favorite album of all time, and I didn't become a fan until after Six Degrees had come out, so this would be my first chance to see the whole album live. Though I have seen a decent chunk of it over the years in bits and pieces, SFAM is definitely a "greater than the sum of its parts" situation for me.
Thanks, guys. I'm sure the two of you realize (although others may not) that it is a fine line that is difficult to walk. JP has told me to my face that he considers me a "friend," and that he tells his friends things that he doesn't tell others. But that being said, I am obviously a different kind of friend than, say, his bandmates, or the guy he knew since middle school that he hangs out with on weekends when not on tour (I don't have any particular person in mind--just speaking hypothetically about such a person). I am a fan. I want to know things just because I am a fan of the band. So I try to use my best judgment and not bug him about things, don't communicate too often, don't communicate about things that are trivial, and so on. He wants to be in touch with questions or issues the fan base has. But he also wants appropriate boundaries on his private life, as anyone would. So it's always a judgment call. One of the things I appreciate most from both him as my primary contact (and this is true of the rest of the band as well), and from management, is that they are pretty clear about when something is for my own knowledge or whether it can be shared. And when it is not clear, they are quick to answer my questions trying to get clarification.Bosk, this seems an apropos time to say thanks very much for sharing what you share and acting as sort of a liaison between this fan group and the band!!
Always!!
So, I guess two brief points, to summarize:
1. I appreciate the thanks.
2. The band wants me in this position because they like the fan feedback, and they want you guys to know that the band listens.
The (pronounced D) asTonishing (T is pronounced with most stress)
you tried
The (pronounced D) asTonishing (T is pronounced with most stress)
you tried
So, I guess two brief points, to summarize:
1. I appreciate the thanks.
2. The band wants me in this position because they like the fan feedback, and they want you guys to know that the band listens.
To be fair, you don't mix albums based on people sitting around with headphones. You mix albums so they sound good on laptop speakers and those cheap ear buds that came with your phone, the TV speaker from which you'll stream the youtube videos and so forth. That's where the majority of people will listen to music...
To be fair, you don't mix albums based on people sitting around with headphones. You mix albums so they sound good on laptop speakers and those cheap ear buds that came with your phone, the TV speaker from which you'll stream the youtube videos and so forth. That's where the majority of people will listen to music...
To be fair, you don't mix albums based on people sitting around with headphones. You mix albums so they sound good on laptop speakers and those cheap ear buds that came with your phone, the TV speaker from which you'll stream the youtube videos and so forth. That's where the majority of people will listen to music...
As someone who has been in the industry for a very long time tracking, mixing and mastering albums your description is a little off. Mixing is done on the highest quality speakers available to sound as representative to the artists' vision as possible. However, to the point you were making. Mixes are done with the parameters you describe in mind. I do have mid-level and single full range speakers in the room as well. I have had situations where the mastering eq was altered for a particular bit stream to compensate for various playback environments.
To give you an idea of what a typical mix room might look like, here is where I am working presently. This room is built for picture, so there are more mixes that I have to deal with (mono, stereo, 5.1, 7.2 and Atmos)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8CLopY1tZuwOGlhblM2eU5zTmdPMUxIZmdFTzljaXlOdzZB (https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8CLopY1tZuwOGlhblM2eU5zTmdPMUxIZmdFTzljaXlOdzZB)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8CLopY1tZuwOGlhblM2eU5zTmdPMUxIZmdFTzljaXlOdzZB (https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8CLopY1tZuwOGlhblM2eU5zTmdPMUxIZmdFTzljaXlOdzZB)It wouldn't surprise me if tomorrow someone posted a MIDI file with the soundwaves in the screen of your computer. :P
To be fair, you don't mix albums based on people sitting around with headphones. You mix albums so they sound good on laptop speakers and those cheap ear buds that came with your phone, the TV speaker from which you'll stream the youtube videos and so forth. That's where the majority of people will listen to music...
To be fair, you don't mix albums based on people sitting around with headphones. You mix albums so they sound good on laptop speakers and those cheap ear buds that came with your phone, the TV speaker from which you'll stream the youtube videos and so forth. That's where the majority of people will listen to music...
I very much hope that DT will take on board this fan's feedback when it comes to their next UK tour:
All-seated venues are shit. Nobody wants to sit down at a rock gig. Proper rock venues this time around, instead of plush theatres, please. :)
I very much hope that DT will take on board this fan's feedback when it comes to their next UK tour:I don't care what they do in the UK, but seated venues are just fine with me here in the USA.
All-seated venues are shit. Nobody wants to sit down at a rock gig. Proper rock venues this time around, instead of plush theatres, please. :)
I very much hope that DT will take on board this fan's feedback when it comes to their next UK tour:I don't care what they do in the UK, but seated venues are just fine with me here in the USA.
All-seated venues are shit. Nobody wants to sit down at a rock gig. Proper rock venues this time around, instead of plush theatres, please. :)
To be fair, you don't mix albums based on people sitting around with headphones. You mix albums so they sound good on laptop speakers and those cheap ear buds that came with your phone, the TV speaker from which you'll stream the youtube videos and so forth. That's where the majority of people will listen to music...
Well, that's half true. Generally you try to mix so that it sounds great on a good quality source (hi-def headphones or monitors) and something cheap and crappy. A lot of producers/mixers will have two sets of monitors (one great, one mediocre) in their studio and/or will test it on crappy car radios to see if it works in both settings.
I think mixing for cheap and crappy speakers have been used as an excuse way too much to justify the loudness treatment of the music. I listen to music with good quality headphones, audiophile home theater / hi-fi setup, macbook pro’s speakers and with crappy car stereo. Overcompressed music sounds bad on all of these and dynamic music sounds good on any of these. I was for example comparing the new DT sample with the Xanadu cover on my macbook speakers and the latter sounds a lot better.
The (pronounced D) asTonishing (T is pronounced with most stress)
you tried
well I did study phonetics and phonology and there is such thing as stressed syllables as well as pronunciation different from writing which is apparent in English. Some languages, like mine, have the same form in writing and in pronunciation. So yes, you may laugh but the fact is that T in "the" is pronounced 'd' as well as T in "astonishing" is the stressed syllable. To me it seems too big of a coincidence that the last 4 albums have DT in one way or another in the titles whereas none of the previous do, with the exception of WDADU which is a far bigger stretch than Astonishing.
My point that you can find DT in the mangini era albums and pretty easily and obviously and without reaching too far still stands, regardless of whether anyone finds it discussion worthy or laughable.
As far as having "d's" and "t's" in album titles, that's hardly an earth-shattering discovery since "t" is one of the top two most common consonants in the English language, and "d" isn't too far behind.
I prefer seated too - I always stand anyway, but it's nice to have a designated space to stand in.I very much hope that DT will take on board this fan's feedback when it comes to their next UK tour:I don't care what they do in the UK, but seated venues are just fine with me here in the USA.
All-seated venues are shit. Nobody wants to sit down at a rock gig. Proper rock venues this time around, instead of plush theatres, please. :)
I prefer seated too - I always stand anyway, but it's nice to have a designated space to stand in.I very much hope that DT will take on board this fan's feedback when it comes to their next UK tour:I don't care what they do in the UK, but seated venues are just fine with me here in the USA.
All-seated venues are shit. Nobody wants to sit down at a rock gig. Proper rock venues this time around, instead of plush theatres, please. :)
I prefer seated too - I always stand anyway, but it's nice to have a designated space to stand in.I very much hope that DT will take on board this fan's feedback when it comes to their next UK tour:I don't care what they do in the UK, but seated venues are just fine with me here in the USA.
All-seated venues are shit. Nobody wants to sit down at a rock gig. Proper rock venues this time around, instead of plush theatres, please. :)
I prefer seated as well. Most people end up standing for the whole show anyways, but it's good to take a break every so often.
Thanks, guys. I'm sure the two of you realize (although others may not) that it is a fine line that is difficult to walk. JP has told me to my face that he considers me a "friend," and that he tells his friends things that he doesn't tell others. But that being said, I am obviously a different kind of friend than, say, his bandmates, or the guy he knew since middle school that he hangs out with on weekends when not on tour (I don't have any particular person in mind--just speaking hypothetically about such a person). I am a fan. I want to know things just because I am a fan of the band. So I try to use my best judgment and not bug him about things, don't communicate too often, don't communicate about things that are trivial, and so on. He wants to be in touch with questions or issues the fan base has. But he also wants appropriate boundaries on his private life, as anyone would. So it's always a judgment call. One of the things I appreciate most from both him as my primary contact (and this is true of the rest of the band as well), and from management, is that they are pretty clear about when something is for my own knowledge or whether it can be shared. And when it is not clear, they are quick to answer my questions trying to get clarification.Bosk, this seems an apropos time to say thanks very much for sharing what you share and acting as sort of a liaison between this fan group and the band!!
Always!!
So, I guess two brief points, to summarize:
1. I appreciate the thanks.
2. The band wants me in this position because they like the fan feedback, and they want you guys to know that the band listens.
Can I just nip something in the bud right here and right now? Can we all agree to not abbreviate the album D/T?
Can I just nip something in the bud right here and right now? Can we all agree to not abbreviate the album D/T?
Yes, thank you. DOT>>>>>
Can I just nip something in the bud right here and right now? Can we all agree to not abbreviate the album D/T?
Yes, thank you. DOT>>>>>
This.
But then when I proudly proclaim "I just picked up Speed and I love it!" people might think I am speaking of that crappy movie. And I cannot have that.
I live in the greater Seattle area. The cops here are instructed not to pursue or question any possible drug-related activity, and local prosecutors won't file charges anyway.
Can I just nip something in the bud right here and right now? Can we all agree to not abbreviate the album D/T?
Yes, thank you. DOT>>>>>
This.
Darn it! I was going to call it Speed!
At first I interpreted DOT as Department of Transportation.. :lolCan I just nip something in the bud right here and right now? Can we all agree to not abbreviate the album D/T?
Yes, thank you. DOT>>>>>
I don’t like DOT and don’t like D/T
Am i the only one impatient to hear a single from this album?
Am i the only one impatient to hear a single from this album?
..no :justjen
DT fans are super spoiled if this is what they actually have to complain about, their favourite band doing a second set where they play their best ever album in addition to a full concert of other stuff.
DT fans are super spoiled if this is what they actually have to complain about, their favourite band doing a second set where they play their best ever album in addition to a full concert of other stuff.
Are they playing Train of Thought?... ::)
:lol I saw the show a year ago, 3 times, when they played their best ever album.
I don’t like DOT and don’t like D/T
Bring me solutions, not problems!
Can I just nip something in the bud right here and right now? Can we all agree to not abbreviate the album D/T?
So livenation really is getting lazy with these presale codes. Dream Theater, Ozzy, and now Iron Maiden all used MIXTAPE as their livenation presale code :lolI don't think there is any real need for them to be unique, is there?
So so far we have 4 tracks titles
Fall Into the Light
Paralyzed
At Wit’s End
Barstool Warrior
Yeah, there is one track title in particular that I was looking for to see if they would reveal it.
Yeah, there is one track title in particular that I was looking for to see if they would reveal it.
Good article, I was hoping they'd keep going with track analysis.
Yeah, there is one track title in particular that I was looking for to see if they would reveal it.
...And did they?
Yeah, there is one track title in particular that I was looking for to see if they would reveal it.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/dream-theater-john-petrucci-interview-distance-over-time-755486/
Guys, you gotta read this!!
Not even finished, excited as hell :metal
So a bear just walked up to the studio? I guess that bear got the lucky chance to see one of their own kind. :lolMaybe they should call it Bear Traks Studio,, oh wait! :justjen
Yeah, there is one track title in particular that I was looking for to see if they would reveal it.
Yeah, there is one track title in particular that I was looking for to see if they would reveal it.
...And did they?
Nope. Not yet. ;)
at one point I remember saying, “We could just sit here and do this for another few months and probably write the next five Dream Theater albums.” Because the music was just pouring out.
When we were first starting out the scene didn’t really exist. There was a few bands, like our buddies Fates Warning. And Queensrÿche was kind of in that zone, but not really.
First, I just want to say... HYYYYPEEEE :metal :metal :metal :metal
The article/interview was really nice. Love that we have 4 official track titles, but we need more!
To me it sounds like Barstool Warrior is that melodic prog track that was teased during the first video of the drum tracking, I could be totally wrong, though :lol
He said they wanted to make a shorter/concise album, so I guess it's going to be similar to DT12's lenght, around 70/60ish minutes long.
Yeah, there is one track title in particular that I was looking for to see if they would reveal it.
Behold, we're finally getting Six Lifts Never Gone in My Memory of Lost Degrees Are of Inner God Fake Trouble in the Lost New Millenium with Honey Mustard and BBQ McDonalds Playcenter Lick My Ass Turbulence. Called it.
QuoteWhen we were first starting out the scene didn’t really exist. There was a few bands, like our buddies Fates Warning. And Queensrÿche was kind of in that zone, but not really.
:lol
QuoteWhen we were first starting out the scene didn’t really exist. There was a few bands, like our buddies Fates Warning. And Queensrÿche was kind of in that zone, but not really.
:lol
Well, that sounds funny, but he's right. I like QR but I've never considered them a prog metal band, they're much closer to being a heavy metal band with a few prog elements here and there.
Whathever, the promoters basically didn't give a damn about the entire South America in I&W25, and now they're not caring either, so it's just a matter of waiting for a second leg or something.Yes, your frustration is guided in the right direction. The promoters are the ones to blame for snubbing certain areas, not the band.
So so far we have 4 tracks titles
Fall Into the Light
Paralyzed
At Wit’s End
Barstool Warrior
QuoteWhen we were first starting out the scene didn’t really exist. There was a few bands, like our buddies Fates Warning. And Queensrÿche was kind of in that zone, but not really.
:lol
If this is legit, I don't think an 80min album is short and concise.
1. Barstool Warrior 6:42
2. Out Of The Shadows 12:44
3. The Event Horizon 9:32
4. Paralyzed 6:23
5. Insurrection 7:44
6. Gates Of Tomorrow 5:38
7. Fall Into the Light 8:55
8. At Wit’s End 7:25
9. Distance Over Time 14:43
Total length: 79:46
But that is from Wiki, so who knows if its correct.
if it is correct we have two lyrics by Myung and one from Mangini
If this is legit, I don't think an 80min album is short and concise.
1. Barstool Warrior 6:42
2. Out Of The Shadows 12:44
3. The Event Horizon 9:32
4. Paralyzed 6:23
5. Insurrection 7:44
6. Gates Of Tomorrow 5:38
7. Fall Into the Light 8:55
8. At Wit’s End 7:25
9. Distance Over Time 14:43
Total length: 79:46
But that is from Wiki, so who knows if its correct.
if it is correct we have two lyrics by Myung and one from Mangini
Fake. Well, at least the music and lyric credits on wiki, since James said he was working on lyrics for two songs and they only listed one.
If this is legit, I don't think an 80min album is short and concise.
1. Barstool Warrior 6:42
2. Out Of The Shadows 12:44
3. The Event Horizon 9:32
4. Paralyzed 6:23
5. Insurrection 7:44
6. Gates Of Tomorrow 5:38
7. Fall Into the Light 8:55
8. At Wit’s End 7:25
9. Distance Over Time 14:43
Total length: 79:46
But that is from Wiki, so who knows if its correct.
if it is correct we have two lyrics by Myung and one from Mangini
Fake. Well, at least the music and lyric credits on wiki, since James said he was working on lyrics for two songs and they only listed one.
Yeah I'm guessing it's fake as well, until we get some kind of official track list from the band.
"At the same time, we also knew we wanted to do a bit of a shorter record, with more concise songs. We didn’t want to have three songs on the album. We wanted to have a bunch. So we kept it all very tight and focused."
Quote"At the same time, we also knew we wanted to do a bit of a shorter record, with more concise songs. We didn’t want to have three songs on the album. We wanted to have a bunch. So we kept it all very tight and focused."
GODS, YES :hefdaddy
We are. The tour is going to be “An Evening With,” and part of the evening will be playing some of the new record and some older songs in our catalog, and then also playing Scenes From a Memory in its entirety. So it going to be a lot of fun. And that was a really important record for us, speaking of storytelling and all that. Because it was our first concept record.
QuoteWe are. The tour is going to be “An Evening With,” and part of the evening will be playing some of the new record and some older songs in our catalog, and then also playing Scenes From a Memory in its entirety. So it going to be a lot of fun. And that was a really important record for us, speaking of storytelling and all that. Because it was our first concept record.
So... will SFAM be the first or second set? I can't think of a much better song to end a night on than Finally Free.
I doubt it. A festival, by definition, can't really accommodate an "evening with" format.
Barstool Warrior is definitely an interesting title for a DT song. Curious how that one goes now
Except Velocity is a vector unit stating "displacement over time", whereas speed is the scalar unit that is the result of "distance over time" ;)
That being said...
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/dream-theater-john-petrucci-interview-distance-over-time-755486/
Guys, you gotta read this!!
Not even finished, excited as hell :metal
Not sure what people are seeing in Norm Peterson that they are associating with "Warrior."
The more I read and hear about this album, the more it makes me wonder if it will be stylistically similar to DT12: heavy, shorter concise songs, etc.Between the teaser they gave and now this interview (which was really good - surprised it came from Rolling Stone), I thought the same thing.
Maybe it is about James Hellwig chilling in retirement?
Except Velocity is a vector unit stating "displacement over time", whereas speed is the scalar unit that is the result of "distance over time" ;)
That being said...
Barstool Warrior is definitely an interesting title for a DT song. Curious how that one goes now
I hope it's like The Shaman's Trance in the sense that they decide to give it a better name just before it's released...but the song kicks ass regardless.
Barstool Warrior is definitely an interesting title for a DT song. Curious how that one goes now
I hope it's like The Shaman's Trance in the sense that they decide to give it a better name just before it's released...but the song kicks ass regardless.
I still think the song should have been called The Shaman's Trance and the album Bridges in the Sky.
I really hope that Mangini will play Finally Free final part in a more “wild” way compared to BtFW...
I really hope that Mangini will play Finally Free final part in a more “wild” way compared to BtFW...
I still think the song should have been called The Shaman's Trance and the album Bridges in the Sky.
Barstool Warrior is definitely an interesting title for a DT song. Curious how that one goes now
I hope it's like The Shaman's Trance in the sense that they decide to give it a better name just before it's released...but the song kicks ass regardless.
I still think the song should have been called The Shaman's Trance and the album Bridges in the Sky.
I do like the descriptions for the two other tracks as well. Too early to speculate, but from the sounds of things I wouldn't be surprised if the album has a similar structure with "Awake".
Most of the songs landing in the 6 minute range, with a couple of tracks in the 10+ minute range. A bit of baseless speculation I know, but it's fun. ;D
I really hope that Mangini will play Finally Free final part in a more “wild” way compared to BtFW...
Wait, I missed a few pages. Is Barstool Warrior a real title or just a running joke?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/magazine/behind-the-cover-what-will-become-of-us.html
Basically, the (almost) same artwork (slightly different skull and some details about the palm of the hand) has appeared yesterday in this article.
Credit: Concept by delcan & company. Photo illustration by Jamie Chung. Prop styling by Pink Sparrow. C.G. work by Justin Metz
In the article they don’t specify when the image was created.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/magazine/behind-the-cover-what-will-become-of-us.html
Basically, the (almost) same artwork (slightly different skull and some details about the palm of the hand) has appeared yesterday in this article and it seems is going to be next New York Magazine issue cover.
Credit: Concept by delcan & company. Photo illustration by Jamie Chung. Prop styling by Pink Sparrow. C.G. work by Justin Metz
In the article they don’t specify when the image was created.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/dream-theater-john-petrucci-interview-distance-over-time-755486/
Guys, you gotta read this!!
Not even finished, excited as hell :metal
Great interview.
The more I read and hear about this album, the more it makes me wonder if it will be stylistically similar to DT12: heavy, shorter concise songs, etc.
That’s weird seeing basically the same image.No kidding - the robotic hand looks almost exactly the same. Gotta wonder if there's some stock photography of robotic hands out there somewhere..... :P
That’s weird seeing basically the same image.No kidding - the robotic hand looks almost exactly the same. Gotta wonder if there's some stock photography of robotic hands out there somewhere..... :P
Good old Hugh. :lol
Good old Hugh. :lol
Good old Hugh. :lol
Not sure what that means or why it is somehow a knock on Syme. Using stock images is kind of a standard thing these days (hence why an organization as large and reputable as the NYT did and does).
Good old Hugh. :lol
Not sure what that means or why it is somehow a knock on Syme. Using stock images is kind of a standard thing these days (hence why an organization as large and reputable as the NYT did and does).
but that's the entire album cover, two stock images. I actually kind of like the cover, but it makes me wonder what they pay him to make these because I've seen more creative artists here who would be able to make their own robot hand and skull, than pull from stock. Also NYT isn't a form of art really and needs to get images on a daily basis, where as an album cover is a work of art and knowing the image was created from two stock images just comes off as lazy IMO when you consider the amount of time and planning that should go into this art. Having said that, I'll repeat, I actually do like the album art.Exactly. To further what cramx3 said, an album cover is to be something unique and identifiable - something that's going to last for a long time. Something that appears on the cover of a newspaper or website is (usually) hardly memorable, nor is it likely to be something that's going to last, be used and/or referred to years from now. Album artwork OTOH will. And the thing is, Hugh has the ability to come up with unique things - I highly doubt that everything he's done for Rush has all been from a stock image library, although an occasional element might be. But for the whole image (save for maybe the background....then again, who's to say that's not stock photography?) to be based on some stock images is just the fast/cheap/lazy way out. Unless he gave DT price options (it will cost $____ for artwork using stock photography and it will cost $____ more if you want all the images to be all original) and they cheaped out.
but that's the entire album cover, two stock images. I actually kind of like the cover, but it makes me wonder what they pay him to make these because I've seen more creative artists here who would be able to make their own robot hand and skull, than pull from stock. Also NYT isn't a form of art really and needs to get images on a daily basis, where as an album cover is a work of art and knowing the image was created from two stock images just comes off as lazy IMO when you consider the amount of time and planning that should go into this art. Having said that, I'll repeat, I actually do like the album art.Exactly. To further what cramx3 said, an album cover is to be something unique and identifiable - something that's going to last for a long time. Something that appears on the cover of a newspaper or website is (usually) hardly memorable, nor is it likely to be something that's going to last, be used and/or referred to years from now. Album artwork OTOH will. And the thing is, Hugh has the ability to come up with unique things - I highly doubt that everything he's done for Rush has all been from a stock image library, although an occasional element might be. But for the whole image (save for maybe the background....then again, who's to say that's not stock photography?) to be based on some stock images is just the fast/cheap/lazy way out. Unless he gave DT price options (it will cost $____ for artwork using stock photography and it will cost $____ more if you want all the images to be all original) and they cheaped out.
Maybe adding the "137" was his idea :lol
...it's the fact that there're two concepts with the same exact idea out there (and the same elements).
And i'd like to know about the timing of this...
Something that at least will result in bad marketing.
Maybe adding the "137" was his idea :lol
Maybe adding the "137" was his idea :lol
idk, but i like to think that's coming from Mangini, being him a lot into maths.
...it's the fact that there're two concepts with the same exact idea out there (and the same elements).
I am curious to know whether anyone's opinion of the situation would be different if it were to turn out that Jamie Chung and/or Pablo Delcan are DT fans.
Reading the interview, it seems that JMX got his years old wish at last.
During the WDADRU commentary,he talked about living together for a change and writing music just the way they used to in the 80s. However, MP cited their family and other constraints as the reason why they just can't do something like that.
There's a concept in copyright law called "striking similarity," and it essentially means that two things are so close to each other than they cannot reasonably be the product of anything other than copying. Given that DT made this art public on November 2, it seems awfully coincidental that the NYT is using almost the same image for something that's being released on November 18. If I were DT's management, I'd have the lawyers on the horn pretty quickly.I am curious to know whether anyone's opinion of the situation would be different if it were to turn out that Jamie Chung and/or Pablo Delcan are DT fans.
That would buttress a claim that they copied what DT did.
I am curious to know whether anyone's opinion of the situation would be different if it were to turn out that Jamie Chung and/or Pablo Delcan are DT fans.
@ToT-147: it's not me who's supposed to look at the web to figure if my ideas are somehow original or not (at least not in this case!). An artist like Syme, or the guys who made the cover for NYT, are. And because of what pg1067 said, it's a problem if are not to this extent. I sincerely liked the cover, still do, and didn't know it was that common of a concept - except the original reference, of course.
Neither DT or the NYT were really original with that concept.
There's a concept in copyright law called "striking similarity," and it essentially means that two things are so close to each other than they cannot reasonably be the product of anything other than copying. Given that DT made this art public on November 2, it seems awfully coincidental that the NYT is using almost the same image for something that's being released on November 18. If I were DT's management, I'd have the lawyers on the horn pretty quickly.No, keep the lawyers out of it. This would give them a chance to fix this trainwreck of an album cover before Feb 22.. 😈
There's a concept in copyright law called "striking similarity," and it essentially means that two things are so close to each other than they cannot reasonably be the product of anything other than copying. Given that DT made this art public on November 2, it seems awfully coincidental that the NYT is using almost the same image for something that's being released on November 18. If I were DT's management, I'd have the lawyers on the horn pretty quickly.No, keep the lawyers out of it. This would give them a chance to fix this trainwreck of an album cover before Feb 22.. 😈
Reading the interview, it seems that JMX got his years old wish at last.
During the WDADRU commentary,he talked about living together for a change and writing music just the way they used to in the 80s. However, MP cited their family and other constraints as the reason why they just can't do something like that.
It just seems so generic to me, lacks imagination. I'm part of the problem because I hate the sight of skulls. I just think Dream Theater has too much class to have a skull and a lame robot hand as the centerpiece of their album cover. I know I'm probably missing the point, but I still don't like it.There's a concept in copyright law called "striking similarity," and it essentially means that two things are so close to each other than they cannot reasonably be the product of anything other than copying. Given that DT made this art public on November 2, it seems awfully coincidental that the NYT is using almost the same image for something that's being released on November 18. If I were DT's management, I'd have the lawyers on the horn pretty quickly.No, keep the lawyers out of it. This would give them a chance to fix this trainwreck of an album cover before Feb 22.. 😈
What's so bad about it that it warrants being called a trainwreck? Looks cool to me.
Yea, if any cover is a train wreck, it's the ToT cover.
It just seems so generic to me, lacks imagination. I'm part of the problem because I hate the sight of skulls. I just think Dream Theater has too much class to have a skull and a lame robot hand as the centerpiece of their album cover. I know I'm missing the point, but I still don't like it..There's a concept in copyright law called "striking similarity," and it essentially means that two things are so close to each other than they cannot reasonably be the product of anything other than copying. Given that DT made this art public on November 2, it seems awfully coincidental that the NYT is using almost the same image for something that's being released on November 18. If I were DT's management, I'd have the lawyers on the horn pretty quickly.No, keep the lawyers out of it. This would give them a chance to fix this trainwreck of an album cover before Feb 22.. 😈
What's so bad about it that it warrants being called a trainwreck? Looks cool to me.
Excellent point!It just seems so generic to me, lacks imagination. I'm part of the problem because I hate the sight of skulls. I just think Dream Theater has too much class to have a skull and a lame robot hand as the centerpiece of their album cover. I know I'm missing the point, but I still don't like it..There's a concept in copyright law called "striking similarity," and it essentially means that two things are so close to each other than they cannot reasonably be the product of anything other than copying. Given that DT made this art public on November 2, it seems awfully coincidental that the NYT is using almost the same image for something that's being released on November 18. If I were DT's management, I'd have the lawyers on the horn pretty quickly.No, keep the lawyers out of it. This would give them a chance to fix this trainwreck of an album cover before Feb 22.. 😈
What's so bad about it that it warrants being called a trainwreck? Looks cool to me.
As you acknowledge, that is entirely YOUR problem--not the band's. So watch your terminology. Your own personality quirks do not make the band's output a "train wreck."
I don't see why a band can't pay some 18 year old $20 to do the same thing and get the same results.
I don't see why a band can't pay some 18 year old $20 to do the same thing and get the same results.
I'm not 18, I'm 44, and I'll do it for tree-fiddy.
I don't see why a band can't pay some 18 year old $20 to do the same thing and get the same results.
I'm not 18, I'm 44, and I'll do it for free-tiddy.
That or the guy who did the artwork for TA. I may not be a huge fan of the music itself (some is great, but more not so much for different reasons), but I certainly cannot complain about the artwork. I particularly like the way he incorporated the majesty symbol into the design of the NOMACs, instead of the way Hugh just seems to slap it on the cover as an afterthought - with this album, ADToE and BCaSL in particular.Yea, if any cover is a train wreck, it's the ToT cover.Too bad they only got Dave McKean to do one.
ADTOE and BC&SL looks like Color Forms.Color forms?
Good old Hugh. :lol
Not sure what that means or why it is somehow a knock on Syme. Using stock images is kind of a standard thing these days (hence why an organization as large and reputable as the NYT did and does).
Yup, I actually use stock images weekly for my job. It wasn't really a knock, it was just more me remembering how Hugh puts his artwork together, that's all.
Good old Hugh. :lol
Not sure what that means or why it is somehow a knock on Syme. Using stock images is kind of a standard thing these days (hence why an organization as large and reputable as the NYT did and does).
Yup, I actually use stock images weekly for my job. It wasn't really a knock, it was just more me remembering how Hugh puts his artwork together, that's all.
lazily?
Yeah, there is one track title in particular that I was looking for to see if they would reveal it.Hoping for tracklist to see if Metropolis pt.3 is the closing track or it's in the middle... :biggrin:
Yeah, there is one track title in particular that I was looking for to see if they would reveal it.Hoping for tracklist to see if Metropolis pt.3 is the closing track or it's in the middle... :biggrin:
Yeah, there is one track title in particular that I was looking for to see if they would reveal it.Hoping for tracklist to see if Metropolis pt.3 is the closing track or it's in the middle... :biggrin:
Yeah, there is one track title in particular that I was looking for to see if they would reveal it.Hoping for tracklist to see if Metropolis pt.3 is the closing track or it's in the middle... :biggrin:
Met3 is in the middle. "Pull Me Under, Part 2: The Beginning of the End" is the last track.
It just seems so generic to me, lacks imagination. I'm part of the problem because I hate the sight of skulls. I just think Dream Theater has too much class to have a skull and a lame robot hand as the centerpiece of their album cover. I know I'm probably missing the point, but I still don't like it.There's a concept in copyright law called "striking similarity," and it essentially means that two things are so close to each other than they cannot reasonably be the product of anything other than copying. Given that DT made this art public on November 2, it seems awfully coincidental that the NYT is using almost the same image for something that's being released on November 18. If I were DT's management, I'd have the lawyers on the horn pretty quickly.No, keep the lawyers out of it. This would give them a chance to fix this trainwreck of an album cover before Feb 22.. 😈
What's so bad about it that it warrants being called a trainwreck? Looks cool to me.
ADTOE and BC&SL looks like Color Forms.Color forms?
Yeah, there is one track title in particular that I was looking for to see if they would reveal it.Hoping for tracklist to see if Metropolis pt.3 is the closing track or it's in the middle... :biggrin:
Met3 is in the middle. "Pull Me Under, Part 2: The Beginning of the End" is the last track.
ADTOE and BC&SL looks like Color Forms.Color forms?
Feels a bit strange with Scenes From A Memory celebration since it was quite recently celebrated. But I do love SFAM so shouldn't be complaining, just hope SDOIT gets some love live finally. Not sure why they keep avoiding that masterpiece :huh:
Anyway regarding new album, hoping for tracklist, single or something tasty soon. The teaser is cool, the artwork is great but now the taste for more is even bigger ;D
Well, I don't know them by name. I've seen those things and played around with them a little, but I had no clue as to what they were called. Now that pg1067 explained it, I do and I can see what you're saying (and I agree).You don’t know what Color Forms are??ADTOE and BC&SL looks like Color Forms.Color forms?
You ain’t that young! :P
Yeah, there is one track title in particular that I was looking for to see if they would reveal it.Hoping for tracklist to see if Metropolis pt.3 is the closing track or it's in the middle... :biggrin:
Not sure but you know it will be the encore after they play SFAM on tour. ;)
The song or the album? At this point in time, with so many albums, we as fans just need to acknowledge that they can't fairly represent every album on every tour. There are always albums that feel underrepresented. And in fairness, Six Degrees probably has gotten less play than most since that time. But it has gotten some play. And even though this lineup isn't quite as OCD as Portnoy was about keeping track of every song and album, and trying to make things super-balanced, they do a decent job. I would expect to at least get something from disc 1 on this tour cycle just because we haven't for a little while now. If not, then surely the next one.
Alright...
So, are we gonna have a poll to see how we should abbreviate Distance Over Time...
I like D/T, its a nice nod to the bands initials.
Feels a bit strange with Scenes From A Memory celebration since it was quite recently celebrated. But I do love SFAM so shouldn't be complaining, just hope SDOIT gets some love live finally. Not sure why they keep avoiding that masterpiece :huh:
Anyway regarding new album, hoping for tracklist, single or something tasty soon. The teaser is cool, the artwork is great but now the taste for more is even bigger ;D
Do you really feel they've avoided SDOIT given they released it live with Score?
Can we drop the Metropolis pt. 3 discussion, please? It isn't funny,
"Why don't you met me in the middle?!"
That would be really really bad. What would be better is an arena tour in autumn or something.
A lot of festivals, including Download, do like their bands to be exclusive, so I can see this being promoted as their only UK show next year - other European festivals will also want similar exclusivity. These may not be exclusive shows, of course, and they may well do other dates, I'd have to say early 2020 is far more likely.
I think it's an honor to do such festivals among so many other greats. It can only be good for them. :metal
A lot of festivals, including Download, do like their bands to be exclusiveFor headliners, sure, but DT aren't headlining.
No. This is separate. They announced a complete leg of "evening with" dates. A summer festival tour or subsequent tour legs have nothing to do with that.
No. This is separate. They announced a complete leg of "evening with" dates. A summer festival tour or subsequent tour legs have nothing to do with that.
They didn't, the Mexico one isn't :(
They didn't, the Mexico one isn't :(
The confusing part to me is that the Mexico date is announced together with the "evening with" shows, but it seems that they will be playing in a festival instead (I hope that's not the case, we will see once further details are announced).
Changing the subject slightly, I’m starting to enjoy the teaser a lot more. I was a little underwhelmed upon first hearing it but starting to really enjoy it, as much as you can really enjoy a 37 second teaser anyway!
They didn't, the Mexico one isn't :(
The confusing part to me is that the Mexico date is announced together with the "evening with" shows, but it seems that they will be playing in a festival instead (I hope that's not the case, we will see once further details are announced).
I do wonder if that's just a mistake since it seems easy to have that lumped in with the rest of the NA evening with tour. Will be interesting to see if they do a festival set list for this show and if it will be the same as the one they do in Europe.
I never really understood the point of listening to teasers over and over again. Maybe twice max for me is it truthfully.
My "guess" is that after the N.A. evening with tour, the band will then do the festival thing in Europe in June & july, then return to N.A. later in summer for a package tour (maybe w Queensryche & Haken???). After that, back to the evening with format for tours of S.A., Asia & back to Europe later in year.
My "guess" is that after the N.A. evening with tour, the band will then do the festival thing in Europe in June & july, then return to N.A. later in summer for a package tour (maybe w Queensryche & Haken???). After that, back to the evening with format for tours of S.A., Asia & back to Europe later in year.
That would truly suck since they also skipped Seattle on the SFaM tour.
I never really understood the point of listening to teasers over and over again. Maybe twice max for me is it truthfully.
Word.
I'll listen to a single multiple times but a teaser is like reading three random sentences from a book over and over.
Movie trailers fall somewhere in between but even those I generally watch once or twice if it's a movie I really want to see and don't want to be spoiler'd too much.
I'd be shocked if they did a NA package tour. That isn't their MO.
I'd be shocked if they did a NA package tour. That isn't their MO.Truly.
I'd be shocked if they did a NA package tour. That isn't their MO.Truly.
And if they did one with Queensryche, I would cry.
I'd be shocked if they did a NA package tour. That isn't their MO.Truly.
And if they did one with Queensryche, I would cry.
IF they toured with QR, they'd be the last to play, right?
I can't wait to see DT again, but if they'd do a double thing with QR, I'd seriously consider not going.
I would, but Rio de Janeiro is gonna be lucky if we have DT at all this time. The city is getting worse and worse when it comes to concerts. Or maybe they won't skip us since it's an anniversary tour. They didn't skip with The Astonishing but they did skip whole South America during I&WB.and why is that, do you think?
I would, but Rio de Janeiro is gonna be lucky if we have DT at all this time. The city is getting worse and worse when it comes to concerts. Or maybe they won't skip us since it's an anniversary tour. They didn't skip with The Astonishing but they did skip whole South America during I&WB.and why is that, do you think?
I would, but Rio de Janeiro is gonna be lucky if we have DT at all this time. The city is getting worse and worse when it comes to concerts. Or maybe they won't skip us since it's an anniversary tour. They didn't skip with The Astonishing but they did skip whole South America during I&WB.and why is that, do you think?
Economic crisis, lack of safety, and less interest in rock and metal in general, especially compared to Sao Paulo.
Economic crisis, lack of safety, and less interest in rock and metal in general, especially compared to Sao Paulo.
Exactly, and add to that the fact that the crisis doesn't follow the ticket prices, which are getting more and more expensive.Sorry to derail the topic a bit, and sorry for my little knowledge of Brazilian politics, but I wanted to ask: do you guys think that the situation (at least RE: tickets, safety) will improve with the new government next year? All I read/hear on the news is that Bolsonaro is generally seen as a South American Trump; I honestly don't know much else about him or the current government.
Economic crisis, lack of safety, and less interest in rock and metal in general, especially compared to Sao Paulo.Exactly, and add to that the fact that the crisis doesn't follow the ticket prices, which are getting more and more expensive.Sorry to derail the topic a bit, and sorry for my little knowledge of Brazilian politics, but I wanted to ask: do you guys think that the situation (at least RE: tickets, safety) will improve with the new government next year? All I read/hear on the news is that Bolsonaro is generally seen as a South American Trump; I honestly don't know much else about him or the current government.
What do Brazilian people hope for next year?
Maybe we should take this discussion somewhere else, so as to not derail the thread. But I'm hoping he does well...the other options we had to vote for were horrible too, even worse than him, at least in my opinion. I don't live in Brazil at the moment, but of course my whole family lives there, so I'm hoping things will improve over time.Ah, so basically the same thing that happened here in Argentina three years ago. :P
Maybe we should take this discussion somewhere else, so as to not derail the thread. But I'm hoping he does well...the other options we had to vote for were horrible too, even worse than him, at least in my opinion. I don't live in Brazil at the moment, but of course my whole family lives there, so I'm hoping things will improve over time.Ah, so basically the same thing that happened here in Argentina three years ago. :P
OK, thanks! Hope everything changes for the best to your family.
Point is, Brazil is nothing special here, because promoters hate all South America anyway.
Point is, Brazil is nothing special here, because promoters hate all South America anyway.
I don't think that's the case. South America usually gets a lot of great bands. A LOT of the time it isn't the band's promoters fault, but the local promoters.
Still, I don't think anyone simply "hates" a whole continent. Perhaps they thought it wasn't time for it. Perhaps the band didn't want to have a bigger tour this time and simply wanted to go back home to work on the new album.
Ah, so basically the same thing that happened here in Argentina three years ago. :P
I never really understood the point of listening to teasers over and over again. Maybe twice max for me is it truthfully.I'll listen to a single multiple times but a teaser is like reading three random sentences from a book over and over.
Movie trailers fall somewhere in between but even those I generally watch once or twice if it's a movie I really want to see and don't want to be spoiler'd too much.
What can I say, it's the only new DT we have so, every now and again, I throw it on for 30 seconds.
Yeah, I don't see a co-headlining tour either. But I wouldn't be at all disappointed to see QR open for DT.Few years ago I saw QR opening for DT. If I'm not wrong it was the first tour with MM...
LOM: Coming back to the tour plans, you have already the dates scheduled for North America, but that's a bit unusual for you guys because you usually start in Europe, right? Is there any particular reason for that?
JLB: I think part of that is that we plan on doing the big festivals in Europe, so it wouldn't have made sense for us to start in Europe and then go back again to do the festivals. It only made sense that we started in North America this time. Then we’ll go do the big festivals throughout the summer and then I'm not sure where we go from there, either down into the Pacific Rim, Australia and all that, or going into South America. I'm not sure after the summer leg at this point, after the summer festival tour, what will be happening, but I'll probably know within a month or two.
There is first part od interview with band in studio.
https://youtu.be/qplgAEuVN6g
Normally, I don't really care about track lists, since they do not really give any indication of what the music will sound like, which is the primary thing that matters. But this time around, I am pretty excited for the revelation of the track list.
Normally, I don't really care about track lists, since they do not really give any indication of what the music will sound like, which is the primary thing that matters. But this time around, I am pretty excited for the revelation of the track list.
So from this, I speculate there will be a sequel track to another track from a past album.
Normally, I don't really care about track lists, since they do not really give any indication of what the music will sound like, which is the primary thing that matters. But this time around, I am pretty excited for the revelation of the track list.
First song is apparently out there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cY4EM5J2Hk
This might not be official, so I cannot verify authenticity.
There is first part od interview with band in studio.
https://youtu.be/qplgAEuVN6g
Very nice!..
Now we know why they haven't published the tracklist yet..
There is first part od interview with band in studio.
https://youtu.be/qplgAEuVN6g
Very nice!..
Now we know why they haven't published the tracklist yet..
Do we?
There is first part od interview with band in studio.
https://youtu.be/qplgAEuVN6g
Very nice!..
Now we know why they haven't published the tracklist yet..
Do we?
If a tracklist was out earlier, then the idea "we don't know the sequence, but we know the closer" would be outdated.
Yeah, it was clearly filmed while they were still in the studio so it’s a few weeks old. I’m sure Jordan’s comments about record companies having input into recent albums won’t generate any discussion! Surprised he came out with that little nugget of information.
There is first part od interview with band in studio.
https://youtu.be/qplgAEuVN6g
Very nice!..
Now we know why they haven't published the tracklist yet..
Do we?
If a tracklist was out earlier, then the idea "we don't know the sequence, but we know the closer" would be outdated.
Well that was a long time ago and has no bearing now.
To me it only says that they did not know the tracklist while still in the studio some months ago.
I guess your thinking is that they would not want to release the tracklist before this interview?
Edit: Ninja'd several times :lol
This video was recorded while they were at the studio. They finished recording and left Yonderbarn for two months now... If right now they're in the process of mastering the album, they absolutely have the tracklist sequence.
I think bosk posted the wrong link. It's this one:First song is apparently out there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cY4EM5J2HkCrucify AGAIN?!?!?!?
This might not be official, so I cannot verify authenticity.
I think bosk posted the wrong link. It's this one:First song is apparently out there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cY4EM5J2HkCrucify AGAIN?!?!?!?
This might not be official, so I cannot verify authenticity.
https://youtu.be/Z4DfDB16XT8?t=150
First song is apparently out there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cY4EM5J2Hk
This might not be official, so I cannot verify authenticity.
Yeah, I don't see a co-headlining tour either. But I wouldn't be at all disappointed to see QR open for DT.
If right now they're in the process of mastering the album, they absolutely have the tracklist sequence.
Would rather see Mike Lepond's Silent Assassins open for DT. :metalYeah, I don't see a co-headlining tour either. But I wouldn't be at all disappointed to see QR open for DT.
Would rather see Fates Warning open for DT.
In the interview James said something about "bonus track".
Can anyone elaborate on this? Track for Japan?
In the interview James said something about "bonus track".
Can anyone elaborate on this? Track for Japan?
I had a vibe that it could be for bonus edition..
I thought James said "THE bonus track" which sounds to me like just one song which shows up as hidden track at the end of the regular CD.
First song is apparently out there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cY4EM5J2Hk
This might not be official, so I cannot verify authenticity.
First song is apparently out there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cY4EM5J2Hk
This might not be official, so I cannot verify authenticity.
I remember falling so hard for this back in day. Sfogli sounding more like Petrucci than really anyone on Earth helped a lot.
So, yesterday, Freddy "thanked" the New York Times for making a cover so similar to the album's artwork, and even tagged three of the journalists. One of them replied. You can read their brief exchange here:Wow, I thought the Freddy account was only for the treasure hunt and wouldn't be used again. I've stopped checking it.
https://twitter.com/FreddyJacobi/status/1065700059071811585
So, yesterday, Freddy "thanked" the New York Times for making a cover so similar to the album's artwork, and even tagged three of the journalists. One of them replied. You can read their brief exchange here:
https://twitter.com/FreddyJacobi/status/1065700059071811585
You guys are blowing that exchange out of proportion.
Also, it's the same concept because it's not a very original concept and it's the same robotic hand because Hugh Syme has been using barely-altered stock photos for ages now.
You guys are blowing that exchange out of proportion.
It was a rude post and response on Freddy's part. I don't know who Freddy is or if he's a person, but it was rude. I don't see anyone blowing it up past that.
Did Donald Trump take over Freddy Jacobi's personality?
Well, the first blunder under new management.
Anyway, come on guys, you can all try to make this album cover appeal to you (you could've done the same with the few most recent Syme's works), but it's obviously way worse than artworks like Images and Words, or Awake, for instance, even way worse than some of the Syme's artworks (like Systematic Chaos).
I don't get why the band keeps accepting this shit level of album artworks in the recent times (TA was ok though, but it wasn't Syme).
I mean, it should be ARTwork, not just photoshopping one stock picture over the other
Anyway, come on guys, you can all try to make this album cover appeal to you (you could've done the same with the few most recent Syme's works), but it's obviously way worse than artworks like Images and Words, or Awake, for instance, even way worse than some of the Syme's artworks (like Systematic Chaos).
I don't get why the band keeps accepting this shit level of album artworks in the recent times (TA was ok though, but it wasn't Syme).
I mean, it should be ARTwork, not just photoshopping one stock picture over the other
1. Awake
2. Systematic Chaos
3. Train Of Thought
4. Scenes From A Memory
5. Black Clouds & Silver Linings
(DOT would go here)
6. Falling Into Infinity
7. Octavarium
8. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
(TA would go here)
9. Images & Words
10. A Dramatic Turn Of Events
11. When Dream & Day Unite
12. Dream Theater
I think the new cover is fine. Original? Hell naw. But cool looking? Yup.I wish I could hit a "like" button for this post. Yeah I agree, originality is the key. This album cover doesn't do it for me AT ALL but I have no doubt the music will! :metal
However, if I had Dream Theater's budget, I'd always get original art. When I make albums, even without any kind of budget, I still stage my own photography and pay artists to turn it into something unique. Or like Ayreon who gets an artist to design 100% unique album covers.
Why they choose to go with stock image collages at their level and with their budget is a bit perplexing, but such is life. People be odd.
And yet the NYT are applauded and linked to at design sites for the ingeniuity of their version of that same image. Funny how music fans are more critical than design fans...
I think the target audience of the NYT is different than DT fans.You might have a good point. I could see some rocker dude or metal head looking through a record store and see's the album cover and sais "HEY, what's this?"
Yeah I really like the new cover, regardless of the fact that it's just based on stock images. Might even be my favourite Syme DT cover.
Yeah I really like the new cover, regardless of the fact that it's just based on stock images. Might even be my favourite Syme DT cover.
However, if I had Dream Theater's budget, I'd always get original art. When I make albums, even without any kind of budget, I still stage my own photography and pay artists to turn it into something unique. Or like Ayreon who gets an artist to design 100% unique album covers.This is pretty much my take on the issue. I would be cool if they put their money and thought into creating something authentic instead of opting for stock images.
Why they choose to go with stock image collages at their level and with their budget is a bit perplexing, but such is life. People be odd.
And yet the NYT are applauded and linked to at design sites for the ingeniuity of their version of that same image.I'm not sure how much they're worthy of that praise, though. They also put some stock images together. Can anyone let me know why this is considered genuine or original?
They also put some stock images together.Did they? What do you base that on? My understanding is that the NYT would have taken an actual photograph (I could be wrong of course but I've not seen any indication that it's stock images). [EDIT: I partially take this back - seems from the description on the NYT site (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/magazine/behind-the-cover-what-will-become-of-us.html?rref=collection%2Fseriescollection%2Fbehind-the-cover&action=click&contentCollection=magazine®ion=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection) that it was a combination of photography, photo illustration and CG].
But to 99,9% of the people who look at the artwork, they're not going to go "oh my god, that is a stock photo!" They're gonna look at the album cover and the material connected to the album release, and see the image for what it is. To them, it's original as they've not actually seen that - it takes a special level of geekery to go take an album cover and reverse image search it to find the images it's based on :P
And the reaction of the 99.9%, frankly, is all that matters :P
Why not make a "contest" for fans and artists to submit their own ideas and covers and then one lucky guy wins? There's so much fan art out there, I imagine there will be plenty of cool stuff submitted.
But to 99,9% of the people who look at the artwork, they're not going to go "oh my god, that is a stock photo!" They're gonna look at the album cover and the material connected to the album release, and see the image for what it is. To them, it's original as they've not actually seen that - it takes a special level of geekery to go take an album cover and reverse image search it to find the images it's based on :PThat's true and it's the way it should be, I don't think the majority of fans should be too bothered by whether or not the artwork is completely original. However, in recent years, I have developed the ability to sort of recognize the usage of stock photos and it leaves a kind of a sour taste. That's also probably the case with the remaining 0.1%.
And the reaction of the 99.9%, frankly, is all that matters :P
Well, Loudwire had posted an article about this. I presume other outlets (Ultimate-Guitar, Blabbermouth, etc.) will run away with this and cause a lot of clickbait articles and blow everything out of proportion. ::)
https://loudwire.com/did-new-york-times-magazine-rip-off-dream-theater-new-album-cover/
Don't like the Six Degrees cover at all, I just don't really get what it's supposed to be.
Octavarium is still my favourite and I like the dark vibe of Black Clouds a lot. Systematic Chaos has an awesome concept, too. So yeah I think those 3 are the best for me.
DoT looks cool, but doesn't blow me away. I agree that it would be cooler to have some less known (and maybe cheaper) artist make the cover. I always likes Syme's style but ever since those sloppy watermarks on DT12 I'm not that into the dude's work anymore.
What is interesting to me that I just noticed.
Since BC&SL, the album art has been taking us on a journey. It starts with the door being opened. As we walk through, we're in the sky seeing a trapeze artist and a plane, although the former seems to meet his end as the rope is tearing. We continue along the rope that ascends into space, seeing the darkside of Earth as a star pierces the edge. As we soar through space, we enter a far distant futuristic dystopia, with these machines called NOMACS. Now, those NOMACS have grown arms and either destroyed humanity or are on the brink.
Haha, I guess I have too much time on my hands today.
What is interesting to me that I just noticed.
Since BC&SL, the album art has been taking us on a journey. It starts with the door being opened. As we walk through, we're in the sky seeing a trapeze artist and a plane, although the former seems to meet his end as the rope is tearing. We continue along the rope that ascends into space, seeing the darkside of Earth as a star pierces the edge. As we soar through space, we enter a far distant futuristic dystopia, with these machines called NOMACS. Now, those NOMACS have grown arms and either destroyed humanity or are on the brink.
I feel the same. It's silly how this is the second time it happened to them, with the ADTOE cover it's understandable that the monocycling guy appeared on a few other covers, because it's such a specific element and it's not like you're gonna take a photo when there are stock photos available. This is a simple concept and easy to photograph, and the fact that it's a few stock elements + background just makes it look kinda cheap and like the cover doesn't matter much to them at all.But to 99,9% of the people who look at the artwork, they're not going to go "oh my god, that is a stock photo!" They're gonna look at the album cover and the material connected to the album release, and see the image for what it is. To them, it's original as they've not actually seen that - it takes a special level of geekery to go take an album cover and reverse image search it to find the images it's based on :PThat's true and it's the way it should be, I don't think the majority of fans should be too bothered by whether or not the artwork is completely original. However, in recent years, I have developed the ability to sort of recognize the usage of stock photos and it leaves a kind of a sour taste. That's also probably the case with the remaining 0.1%.
And the reaction of the 99.9%, frankly, is all that matters :P
It would be more appealing to me if they took the same idea and gave it to an artist that would create something completely their own - however, I understand that that kind of "trouble" wouldn't be worth it in order to try to satisfy a minority.
*snip*
Enjoy this wonder
https://youtu.be/4nSJ5KRBkFg
In the studio interview, part 2
-Marc.
https://youtu.be/4nSJ5KRBkFg
In the studio interview, part 2
-Marc.
At this point i’m convinced JM is tapping some kind of secret message on that bottle 😂
Hmmm....is Myungs riff the song that ended up being song 10?
Hmmm....is Myungs riff the song that ended up being song 10?
That, or the bonus track.
Seems JM steered a lot of this albums musical ideas. In the Pt. 2 video, MM said JM playing his riff caused at least 3 other songs to be created. I hope the mixing and mastering gives us some great bass sounds and tones in these songs!
Hmmm....is Myungs riff the song that ended up being song 10?
That, or the bonus track.
Seems JM steered a lot of this albums musical ideas. In the Pt. 2 video, MM said JM playing his riff caused at least 3 other songs to be created. I hope the mixing and mastering gives us some great bass sounds and tones in these songs!
and now I want to hear that damn song.
He does say though they never used that riff, until MM said we need to record that riff.
From the DT Twitter
https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1067104574685749249
Whoever posted this should meet JP's fist lol.You mean "paw"? :P
From the DT Twitter
https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1067104574685749249
I'm getting phenomenally good vibes about this album already. The fact that all five of them wrote and recorded it together in the same room, bouncing ideas off each other in the same physical space, should make for a truly refreshing album experience.
From the DT Twitter
https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1067104574685749249
Best part is the top 4 comments.... :lol
Another date added! Hellfest in France
https://www.hellfest.fr/ (https://www.hellfest.fr/)
From the DT Twitter
https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1067104574685749249
Best part is the top 4 comments.... :lol
:lol looks like hes gone to twitter to say what he cant say here
From the DT Twitter
https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1067104574685749249
Best part is the top 4 comments.... :lol
:lol looks like hes gone to twitter to say what he cant say here
What happened to him? why did he go?
I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but I just found this Q&A video. Sorry if this is all common knowledge already ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9rJ9DGipmo
What if a song on the new album is called "Speed"? that would be, so to speak, a "mathematical title track" and something very geeky :D
was it speed, or velocity?
was it speed, or velocity?
Speed is distance over time (technically the derivative of the distance with respect to time), whereas velocity is displacement over time (same caveat as previously).
As long as they are not set to private, I don't see any issue.Well, I'm not too familiar with Instagram. I did make an account an hour ago, to see if there are songtitles in the stories.
Two recent InsideOut Instagram stories feature Jordan and John P. humming two melodies from the new album. I transcribed what I heard:At first it seems a bit like Jaws by looking at it..lol!
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/467246922265001986/517376231528726528/2018-11-28_13.28.59.jpg)
Bosk: I found a way of watching those two videos without needing to log in to Instagram or having an account. May I share the links here? Or would that be against the rules?
The IO Insta account has now saved those stories on their profile, so we can access them at any time, no need to go the source code :tupYes, but (at least as far as I can see) it's not possible to link to the individual videos of them humming, without going to the source code. And, you can link to the stories, but only people logged in will be able to watch them.
Two recent InsideOut Instagram stories feature Jordan and John P. humming two melodies from the new album. I transcribed what I heard:
*snip*
The IO Insta account has now saved those stories on their profile, so we can access them at any time, no need to go the source code :tupYes, but (at least as far as I can see) it's not possible to link to the individual videos of them humming, without going to the source code. And, you can link to the stories, but only people logged in will be able to watch them.
That's why I figured I'd ask Bosk if we'd be allowed to share the individual links here.
Two recent InsideOut Instagram stories feature Jordan and John P. humming two melodies from the new album. I transcribed what I heard:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/467246922265001986/517376231528726528/2018-11-28_13.28.59.jpg)
Two recent InsideOut Instagram stories feature Jordan and John P. humming two melodies from the new album. I transcribed what I heard:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/467246922265001986/517376231528726528/2018-11-28_13.28.59.jpg)
What's more interesting about this is that Jordan has perfect pitch, so he definitely hummed this in the same key as the actual song :laugh:
Two recent InsideOut Instagram stories feature Jordan and John P. humming two melodies from the new album. I transcribed what I heard:
I have heard before that he has perfect pitch, I always wondered if he re-learned the whole I&W album for the last tour. Just pressing the transpose-button would kill a person with perfect pitch :D
I'd appreciate if someone posted those videos, because I don't have instagram and I've sworn to myself that I'll never make itSorry, dude. After thinking about it a little more, I decided I won't share the links. If InsideOut posts the interviews as Instagram stories only, there must be reason. (I imagine they'll become public on other social networks soon, though.)
...or I can just hum the melodies myself lol
Also - was J.P. humming the riff that plays during these videos?Definitely not: all the notes in the videos' riff (the same as the 'album teaser') have the same duration, whereas the ones in the hummed riff have different lengths.
-"Itchin' to be Bitchin'"
The Wikipedia page for DoT is listing 4 new song titles. Are those the titles that Bosk revealed? Sorry I’m a little confused here. Just wanna know if they’re legit.
The're legit: https://www.myjaxchamber.com/news/2018/11/14/member-news/the-distance-over-time-tour-celebrating-20-years-of-scenes-from-a-memory/
The're legit: https://www.myjaxchamber.com/news/2018/11/14/member-news/the-distance-over-time-tour-celebrating-20-years-of-scenes-from-a-memory/
Bosk, out of the 8 titles we have, is one of them the one you were looking forward to?Yes. The one Mangini wrote lyrics for.
What is interesting to me that I just noticed.
Since BC&SL, the album art has been taking us on a journey. It starts with the door being opened. As we walk through, we're in the sky seeing a trapeze artist and a plane, although the former seems to meet his end as the rope is tearing. We continue along the rope that ascends into space, seeing the darkside of Earth as a star pierces the edge. As we soar through space, we enter a far distant futuristic dystopia, with these machines called NOMACS. Now, those NOMACS have grown arms and either destroyed humanity or are on the brink.
Haha, I guess I have too much time on my hands today.
Bosk, out of the 8 titles we have, is one of them the one you were looking forward to?Yes. The one Mangini wrote lyrics for.
:o “pale blue dot” :metal
DT referencing one of my favorite speech/picture, cannot get any better. I hope it’s a good song, maybe it will be similar to “The great debate” in terms of structure.
Sounds interesting, can't wait to see Mike's lyrics.
Also, it's time to hear a single i think :metal
December 3rd, 2015 yes. I would speculate (speculate - don't quote me on it please) for the first piece to be released the week of December 4th or 11th.Sounds interesting, can't wait to see Mike's lyrics.
Also, it's time to hear a single i think :metal
TGOM was released at the beginning of December iirc, so we may hear something soon.
December 3rd, 2015 yes. I would speculate (speculate - don't quote me on it please) for the first piece to be released the week of December 4th or 11th.Sounds interesting, can't wait to see Mike's lyrics.
Also, it's time to hear a single i think :metal
TGOM was released at the beginning of December iirc, so we may hear something soon.
for albums it definitely is (Feb 22nd will be a Friday, so that's that one), I don't know if there are rules of any kind for singular songs before the albums are released.December 3rd, 2015 yes. I would speculate (speculate - don't quote me on it please) for the first piece to be released the week of December 4th or 11th.Sounds interesting, can't wait to see Mike's lyrics.
Also, it's time to hear a single i think :metal
TGOM was released at the beginning of December iirc, so we may hear something soon.
Isn't music release day Friday? That'd make it December 7th, 14th, etc.
Guys,guys,guys..
We already have 9 titles.Not 6,not 8.9.
Untethered Angel
At Wit’s End
Barstool Warrior
Fall Into the Light
Room 137
Out of Reach
Pale Blue Dot
Paralyzed
Distance Over Time
The only thing we don't know is the last track and if the bonus track is one of them.Oh,and the durations.
Guys,guys,guys..
We already have 9 titles.Not 6,not 8.9.
Untethered Angel
At Wit’s End
Barstool Warrior
Fall Into the Light
Room 137
Out of Reach
Pale Blue Dot
Paralyzed
Distance Over Time
The only thing we don't know is the last track and if the bonus track is one of them.Oh,and the durations.
Really really excited about the topics of the lyrics.
Seems that the new album will be something really fresh,which i've been missing for the last albums.
And that 'Pale blue dot' must be epic AF. :metal :metal :metal
:o “pale blue dot” :metal
DT referencing one of my favorite speech/picture, cannot get any better. I hope it’s a good song, maybe it will be similar to “The great debate” in terms of structure.
Same here, I LOVE that speech and if it was up to me, it should be printed and hung in the wall of EVERY head of state in the world. I'm looking very forward to listening to this!
So, judging by the available information - as far as lyrics goes;
Untethered Angel, Barstool Warrior and Pale Blue Dot is written by JP, Room 137 is written by Mangini, At Wit's End and Out of Reach written by LaBrie.
That leaves Paralyzed, Fall Into The Light and at least two songs we don't know the title for yet - and I believe they said JM wrote lyrics for two.
Also, is it just new album euphoria or the themes discussed for the songs seem innovative and interesting? not being afraid to live your dreams, the pale blue dot, women abuse, people sitting at the bar wishing they had done something different.... it feels so fresh and unexpected for DT!
So, judging by the available information - as far as lyrics goes;
Untethered Angel, Barstool Warrior and Pale Blue Dot is written by JP, Room 137 is written by Mangini, At Wit's End and Out of Reach written by LaBrie.
That leaves Paralyzed, Fall Into The Light and at least two songs we don't know the title for yet - and I believe they said JM wrote lyrics for two.
Pretty cool to see this kind of team contribution on this album after The Astonishing. I'm stoked!
So, judging by the available information - as far as lyrics goes;
Untethered Angel, Barstool Warrior and Pale Blue Dot is written by JP, Room 137 is written by Mangini, At Wit's End and Out of Reach written by LaBrie.
That leaves Paralyzed, Fall Into The Light and at least two songs we don't know the title for yet - and I believe they said JM wrote lyrics for two.
Epic at the end of the album with words referencing to a famous cientist? Reminds me a lot of A7X's Exist :biggrin:Or Nightwish's "The Greatest Show on Earth". Another cool song.
I think I'm most excited for "Room 137", simply because I'm curious how well Mangini stacks up as a lyricist against JP and the rest.
Where? Or is that another treasure hunt?I think I'm most excited for "Room 137", simply because I'm curious how well Mangini stacks up as a lyricist against JP and the rest.
Well, there's plenty of information out there about what the subject matter of the song is, so that should give some clues as to the lyrical content.
Epic at the end of the album with words referencing to a famous cientist? Reminds me a lot of A7X's Exist :biggrin:Or Nightwish's "The Greatest Show on Earth". Another cool song.
Epic at the end of the album with words referencing to a famous cientist? Reminds me a lot of A7X's Exist :biggrin:Or Nightwish's "The Greatest Show on Earth". Another cool song.
That song is so incredible. I’d love DT to do something like that!
So, is wit's end or pale blue dot the longest song? The latter is just sounding epic, or it's an actual epic?
Yeah, I googled Room 137 but I found different results, so I didn't know what to read.Seems to be a Shining reference - Google autocompletes to "room 137 the shining."
Yeah, I googled Room 137 but I found different results, so I didn't know what to read.
Room 137 in the Shining: https://www.museyon.com/hotel-of-horror-the-shining/
Yeah, I googled Room 137 but I found different results, so I didn't know what to read.
I did the same thing before realizing that 137 is the number on the robot's hand ;D
Room 137 features nowhere in The Shining. In the novel it was room 217 (the room King and his wife were staying in when he conceived the book's plot) which Kubrick changed to room 237 for the film.
It's room 237 in The Shining.
Life lesson: the internet will betray you.Room 137 in the Shining: https://www.museyon.com/hotel-of-horror-the-shining/
The room in The Shining was 237..
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:o “pale blue dot” :metal
DT referencing one of my favorite speech/picture, cannot get any better. I hope it’s a good song, maybe it will be similar to “The great debate” in terms of structure.
:o “pale blue dot” :metal
DT referencing one of my favorite speech/picture, cannot get any better. I hope it’s a good song, maybe it will be similar to “The great debate” in terms of structure.
Any similarity at all to "The Great Debate" would be hugely disappointing.
I'm a huge and lifelong Carl Sagan admirer, and to this day I am deeply moved whenever I read the words making what is known as the "Pale Blue Dot" speech/reflection.
I am incredibly excited the band and JP decided to acknowledge the relevance of those words, I hope the music and lyrics are up to the task. I also would not mind a sample of the voice of the man himself somewhere in the song, I think it would fit nicely.(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Pale_Blue_Dot.png) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot)
(The Pale Blue Dot picture - clickable)
Bosk should make me a moderator.
Bosk should make me a moderator.
No.
:jedimindtrick:
Well, okay...
seriously, if any song is on crystallized's level, I'm going to cryout of happiness
Lyrically, and only lyrically, I hope it's better than The Greatest Show on Earth song by Nightwish.It's funny, The Greatest Show on earth is preachy with the evolution concept yet the music is uplifting and spiritual. I love the song though, even if I don't agree with the lyrics.
hopefully ''paralyzed'' will be as good as haken's ''crystallized'' :lol
seriously, if any song is on crystallized's level, I'm going to cry out of happiness
Dream Theater coming to Gävle in Sweden with two support bands.
My assumption is that the european dates will all be festival dates, and therefore with a reduced set and NOT the SFAM one. They might do separate, headlining shows where they might do the Evening With format, as they always did in their summer european tours with Portnoy (alternating festival appereances and stand alone shows), but I wouldn't be too surprised if they'd only do "normal", festival shows in Europe next year.count me in that group, I won't go see them when they play short sets. Not worth it IMHO.
Also, I would figure that they would not announce further european dates only after the next summer shows are done, otherwise people are gonna bail out on these shows that will sell less because of the "eh, I will see them again in 6 months anyway" mindset.
From a business standpoint, festival circuit makes perfect sense. Playing headliner shows, or evening with shows, is catering to the audience you already have. Festivals is playing for a potential audience. People who might be interested in seeing you, but not willing to go to a headliner show, and people who have never seen your and had no intention of seeing you. This is a place where the band has gained a lot of fans in the past, and it makes sense to continue to do it. Especially with an album that is more fitting to a rock/metal festival setup.very true, I'm not criticising that kind of strategy. Just not my personal preference of concert I usually go to. I want to go to 3 hour concerts, that's all.
Your choice and I understand how you feel because I was always of that mentality. But be careful, because there's no guarantees that the band may play in your area again with an Evening With leg. I say that, because I regret not having seen them more on the 2009 tour in North America. I just assumed that they would swing back thru and do a proper headlining tour in 2010, and it never happened.My assumption is that the european dates will all be festival dates, and therefore with a reduced set and NOT the SFAM one. They might do separate, headlining shows where they might do the Evening With format, as they always did in their summer european tours with Portnoy (alternating festival appereances and stand alone shows), but I wouldn't be too surprised if they'd only do "normal", festival shows in Europe next year.count me in that group, I won't go see them when they play short sets. Not worth it IMHO.
Also, I would figure that they would not announce further european dates only after the next summer shows are done, otherwise people are gonna bail out on these shows that will sell less because of the "eh, I will see them again in 6 months anyway" mindset.
Hell yeah! Dream Theater will return to Sofia, Bulgaria on the 3rd of July next year. Funny, cos the first time they played in Bulgaria was in the same concert hall on the same date in 2002 :). Some Octavarium nugget shit right there!
hopefully ''paralyzed'' will be as good as haken's ''crystallized'' :lol
seriously, if any song is on crystallized's level, I'm going to cry out of happiness
Your choice and I understand how you feel because I was always of that mentality. But be careful, because there's no guarantees that the band may play in your area again with an Evening With leg. I say that, because I regret not having seen them more on the 2009 tour in North America. I just assumed that they would swing back thru and do a proper headlining tour in 2010, and it never happened.My assumption is that the european dates will all be festival dates, and therefore with a reduced set and NOT the SFAM one. They might do separate, headlining shows where they might do the Evening With format, as they always did in their summer european tours with Portnoy (alternating festival appereances and stand alone shows), but I wouldn't be too surprised if they'd only do "normal", festival shows in Europe next year.count me in that group, I won't go see them when they play short sets. Not worth it IMHO.
Also, I would figure that they would not announce further european dates only after the next summer shows are done, otherwise people are gonna bail out on these shows that will sell less because of the "eh, I will see them again in 6 months anyway" mindset.
Your choice and I understand how you feel because I was always of that mentality. But be careful, because there's no guarantees that the band may play in your area again with an Evening With leg. I say that, because I regret not having seen them more on the 2009 tour in North America. I just assumed that they would swing back thru and do a proper headlining tour in 2010, and it never happened.My assumption is that the european dates will all be festival dates, and therefore with a reduced set and NOT the SFAM one. They might do separate, headlining shows where they might do the Evening With format, as they always did in their summer european tours with Portnoy (alternating festival appereances and stand alone shows), but I wouldn't be too surprised if they'd only do "normal", festival shows in Europe next year.count me in that group, I won't go see them when they play short sets. Not worth it IMHO.
Also, I would figure that they would not announce further european dates only after the next summer shows are done, otherwise people are gonna bail out on these shows that will sell less because of the "eh, I will see them again in 6 months anyway" mindset.
Same here. I did not want to see them on PN doing a short set with a bunch of bands I didn't care about, so I decided to wait for the "proper" BCSL tour leg...which never materialized.
PN09 was pretty good I thought. I enjoyed Zappa quite a lot and Bigelf and Scale the Summit rocked too. DT’s set, while short, was excellent. The visuals were beautiful too. Was my last time seeing them with MP.
PN09 was pretty good I thought. I enjoyed Zappa quite a lot and Bigelf and Scale the Summit rocked too. DT’s set, while short, was excellent. The visuals were beautiful too. Was my last time seeing them with MP.
Yeah, PN09 was the last time I saw Portnoy with DT. I was supposed to catch them in 2010 when they opened for Maiden. I was supposed to be back in the city the day before the show, but a storm delayed my flight for a few days.
It's not great because it feels epic or because it's long - it's a great song because it has multiple great sections, and its instrumental section is one of the best uses of atonality I've ever heard in proghopefully ''paralyzed'' will be as good as haken's ''crystallized'' :lol
seriously, if any song is on crystallized's level, I'm going to cry out of happiness
No. Crystallized is a boring song that repeats patterns for four bars before progressing. A long song that is just long to feel "epic"
hopefully ''paralyzed'' will be as good as haken's ''crystallized'' :lol
seriously, if any song is on crystallized's level, I'm going to cry out of happiness
No. Crystallized is a boring song that repeats patterns for four bars before progressing. A long song that is just long to feel "epic"
Chemistry triggers action. The bonds of disparate elements yield friction, energy, and ultimately incite creation. It happens throughout all of existence—especially in music. The music of Dream Theater relies on the interplay and brotherhood of the musicians as much as it does on the harmony of the instruments. In fact, the chemistry the band unlocked upon forming in 1985 remains central to the music they create today. The progressive metal pioneers—James LaBrie (Vocals), John Petrucci (Guitars), Jordan Rudess (Keyboards), John Myung (Bass), and Mike Mangini (Drums)— share a unique bond with one of the most passionate fan bases around the globe as evidenced by their two GRAMMY® Award nominations and 15 million records sold worldwide.
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In addition to releasing three platinum videos and two gold videos, the group would be inducted into the Long Island Music Hall of Fame in 2010. On its 14th full-length and first release for InsideOutMusic / Sony Music, Distance Over Time, the band recharge the brotherhood that has kept them creating music together for over 30 years.
For the first time in two decades, the bandmates lived, wrote and recorded together over a four-month period at the secluded, five-acre Yonderbarn studios in Monticello, NY. They all moved into the property’s country-house where they shared memories, took turns manning the BBQ and fortifying lifelong friendships as the music happened organically and spontaneously throughout the summer in the beautifully converted barn only footsteps away.
“Of course we’ve written many records together, but we’ll traditionally move into a studio to track the record and during that time everybody either commutes or stays in a hotel,” says Petrucci. “This time around we approached things differently; up at Yonderbarn there were no distractions so we were able to just focus on being creative, spending twelve-to-fourteen hours a day working while also having fun in between the writing sessions. We’d take turns cooking for each other like brothers in a fire house and since it was summertime, the upstate New York weather was beautiful. There’s something about jamming and writing as a unit while you’re bonding, eating, drinking bourbon and just hanging out that helps infuse the music with a special feeling and a raw, palpable energy.”
“It was like going back to summer camp,” grins LaBrie. “Being around each other the whole time made it that much more of a profound experience. I think the songs reflect the energy. It was a lot of fun to have a situation so powerful at this point in our career.”
“With what we had to do and the kind of record we wanted to make, it was the right way to write and record,” adds Rudess. “When we would lay out all of the parts and start composing, there was a feeling we hadn’t felt in a long time. There were a lot of smiles.”
With every reason to smile, the five musicians immediately locked into a groove and identified a collective vision. They upheld the hallmarks of their signature sound combining metallic aggression and progressive scope, but within the framework of tighter songwriting.
“Everybody felt like it was time to return to the roots and make a more organic record,” Petrucci elaborates. “We collaborated to bring back the heavy and proggy sides of what we do and make music that’s really fun to play. The environment empowered us to do so.”
Album opener “Untethered Angel” commences with ominous clean guitar before ramping up into a hypnotic and hard-hitting riff that gives way to a sweeping and soaring hook. Heavily employing Hammond X5, Rudess locks into an “organ-and-guitar” call-and-response with Petrucci, evoking classic prog while charting new territory all the same.
“John has some of the most tastefully crafted leads in the business, so that forces me to step up my game to the max,” Rudess goes on. “It opened up a different avenue for us to trade back and forth.”
“Subject-wise, it’s about me seeing that a lot of people, especially our youth, are afraid to take their lives in certain directions because of fear,” explains Petrucci. “They have fear of the unknown, fear of what other people think, and fear of not being good enough. So, the song urges letting go of yourself, not letting fear win, and untethering yourself from the feeling of fear that stops you from doing things.”
The ten-minute “At Wit’s End” swings from sharp shredding into a thick groove as LaBrie paints an intense portrait of the aftermath of abuse.
“When women have been violated, they suffer from PTSD,” says the singer. “They can never really view themselves as the same people, because for all intents and purposes, they aren’t. It creates a lot of divide in relationships. It can be impossible for couples to overcome. In a lot of instances, they don’t make it, and they break apart. In the song, the woman is at her wit’s end, and the man is assuring her they can get through it.”
“Barstool Warrior” offers up an intimate slice of small town lore with cinematic lyrics as “Out of Reach” sees the band stretch its wings with a poetic ballad with lyrics penned by LaBrie. The haunting and maddening “Room 137” marks the first time Mangini contributed lyrics to a Dream Theater song, while everything culminates on the epic-sounding “Pale Blue Dot,” which “highlights Carl Sagan’s meaningful reflection on humankind’s fleeting nature and our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another and to cherish the ‘Pale Blue Dot’ which is Earth.” as Petrucci puts it.
In the end, the union between Dream Theater stands at its strongest on Distance Over Time—as does the music.
“This record is all about the experience for us,” Petrucci leaves off. “The process and environment were a big part of the meaning and significance. I hope people walk away with the feeling of unity, camaraderie, joy, and inclusion we felt. There’s a spirit, which is really magical. When I listen back to the album, I can distinctly recall every moment of the writing process; where I was standing in the room, what inspired us in that instant and the meaning behind each song. As a producer, my goal was to try and create the best-sounding Dream Theater record we’ve ever made so that listeners can just be enveloped in the music. I really wanted this recording to truly reflect the spirit, joy and passion that went into making the album and for people to walk away feeling some of the organic nature, personality and raw energy that the band captured while together in the studio. For me, I think it accomplishes that and I hope that other people will feel the same way.” – Rick Florino, November 2018
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I almost skipped PN09 in protest for the lack of Dweezil here in Europe, but I couldn't bring myself to ignore a DT concert. Although I spent the whole Opeth, Bigelf and fockmeifirememberwho sets at the bar, I was rewarded with an Erotomania-Voices-In The Name of God closing hatrick (and the TCOT encore, of course).Unexpect were the other band, at least here in the UK. They were a bit of an acquired taste I think and a little bit crazy, but I kind of enjoyed what I saw of them. Bigelf were pretty good fun and I love Opeth. It wasn't my ideal DT setlist, but it was my first time seeing them, so I'll always remember that show.
As someone who lost his first (and most likely only) chance to see DT live, I’d suggest you to go see them if they hit your city/country. I’m still mad because I missed them the first time they were here (2010) and they haven’t returned since :'(Yeah, too bad. I was talking to one of the guys who runs the "DT Perú" fanclub on Facebook, and he was at that show as well, and he told me that fans miss the band a lot.
As someone who lost his first (and most likely only) chance to see DT live, I’d suggest you to go see them if they hit your city/country. I’m still mad because I missed them the first time they were here (2010) and they haven’t returned since :'(Yeah, too bad. I was talking to one of the guys who runs the "DT Perú" fanclub on Facebook, and he was at that show as well, and he told me that fans miss the band a lot.
Do we know if there's an instrumental?According to Jordan, there won't be one IIRC.
As someone who lost his first (and most likely only) chance to see DT live, I’d suggest you to go see them if they hit your city/country. I’m still mad because I missed them the first time they were here (2010) and they haven’t returned since :'(Yeah, too bad. I was talking to one of the guys who runs the "DT Perú" fanclub on Facebook, and he was at that show as well, and he told me that fans miss the band a lot.
hopefully ''paralyzed'' will be as good as haken's ''crystallized'' :lol
seriously, if any song is on crystallized's level, I'm going to cry out of happiness
No. Crystallized is a boring song that repeats patterns for four bars before progressing. A long song that is just long to feel "epic"
It's December now, which means we're probably getting a single this month :metal :metal :metal
How about if they would release the single at 6 o'clock on a christmas morning?What would be better gift!!?
Untethered Angel, to be released between December 10th-14th, calling it nowDecember 3rd-7th is my guess
I've decided, this gonna be the first time I hold back and not listen to singles till the album arrives.
It's worth mentioning that I've made that decision on every album but still ended up listening to the single heh
So LaBrie wrote lyrics to another ballad. Kinda getting sick of him getting the ballads. I mean, they're good so I guess I shouldn't complain, I just think he shines more with the heavy stuff.
Wonder if he wrote the lyrics to Wit's End since he was the one explaining it.
So LaBrie wrote lyrics to another ballad. Kinda getting sick of him getting the ballads. I mean, they're good so I guess I shouldn't complain, I just think he shines more with the heavy stuff.
Wonder if he wrote the lyrics to Wit's End since he was the one explaining it.
He indeed wrote At Wit’s End
I've decided, this gonna be the first time I hold back and not listen to singles till the album arrives.
I've decided, this gonna be the first time I hold back and not listen to singles till the album arrives.
It's worth mentioning that I've made that decision on every album but still ended up listening to the single heh
I did that for The Astonishing, no single, no clips, no anything. Bought the album on release day, heard it in its entirety from start to finish and every single note was equally new to me. It was rewarding to wait.
I've decided, this gonna be the first time I hold back and not listen to singles till the album arrives.
It's worth mentioning that I've made that decision on every album but still ended up listening to the single heh
I did that for The Astonishing, no single, no clips, no anything. Bought the album on release day, heard it in its entirety from start to finish and every single note was equally new to me. It was rewarding to wait.
But if you listened to the teaser that was released (which I think you did), haven't you already prevented yourself from having no ideas of how it will sound, even if it's just 30 seconds?I've decided, this gonna be the first time I hold back and not listen to singles till the album arrives.Well, I'll do this as well. It will be the first time, but I want to listen to the album with no ideas of how it will sound or what the songs will be like. But it will be difficult.
B.Lee
So LaBrie wrote lyrics to another ballad. Kinda getting sick of him getting the ballads. I mean, they're good so I guess I shouldn't complain, I just think he shines more with the heavy stuff.
Wonder if he wrote the lyrics to Wit's End since he was the one explaining it.
He indeed wrote At Wit’s End
Sweet! That definitely sounds like something he would write, similar to Anne Lee. He chooses some heavy topics.
So LaBrie wrote lyrics to another ballad. Kinda getting sick of him getting the ballads. I mean, they're good so I guess I shouldn't complain, I just think he shines more with the heavy stuff.
Wonder if he wrote the lyrics to Wit's End since he was the one explaining it.
He indeed wrote At Wit’s End
Sweet! That definitely sounds like something he would write, similar to Anne Lee. He chooses some heavy topics.
Indeed. Songs like Disappear and Sacrificed Sons come to mind.
But if you listened to the teaser that was released (which I think you did), haven't you already prevented yourself from having no ideas of how it will sound, even if it's just 30 seconds?I've decided, this gonna be the first time I hold back and not listen to singles till the album arrives.Well, I'll do this as well. It will be the first time, but I want to listen to the album with no ideas of how it will sound or what the songs will be like. But it will be difficult.
B.Lee
He also wrote the lyrics for Blind Faith!
Hm okay. So there were some announcements about Dream Theater coming to Sofia, Bulgaria on July 3rd as a part of the tour. Tickets have been on sale. But I can't find any official word by the band and on their website. They announced a Sweden date the same day the announcement for Sofia came out and that's on the band's site but nothing about the Sofia show. Not rushing to get my ticket yetI saw that as well. Some of the announcements of the Eastern European dates are already out there, but not from the band themselves. I don't find any of it suspicious, though.
The Wizard has landed!
Tonight, Jordan plays in Buenos Aires. Yesterday, the guys from the local fanclub took him and his wife to a beautiful restaurant of Armenian cuisine, to have dinner. Apparently, Jordan showed them that he had the new album on his phone. :biggrin: So jealous!
So we're a few of hours away from the existence of the "pelaaaado, pelaaaado..." and the "haceme un hijo Jordan!" type of singing of the bad-ass crowd we are... :lolYeah, neither will I, if it makes you feel any better.
Unfortunately, I'm not gonna be part of that mostly due to money issues.. :-\
So we're a few of hours away from the existence of the "pelaaaado, pelaaaado..." and the "haceme un hijo Jordan!" type of singing of the bad-ass crowd we are... :lolYeah, neither will I, if it makes you feel any better.
Unfortunately, I'm not gonna be part of that mostly due to money issues.. :-\
At least we might get a new single soon.
Single this week ? :metal :hefdaddy
Single this week ? :metal :hefdaddy
Single this week ? :metal :hefdaddy
TGOM was released on December 3rd but TA was released on January 29th ...
Too early for me :facepalm:
I would expect a single around Christmas to be honest.
Single this week ? :metal :hefdaddy
TGOM was released on December 3rd but TA was released on January 29th ...
Too early for me :facepalm:
On the Backs of Angels was released 3 months before ADTOE so it's possible we might get one soon. Also OTBOA and TEI were released on a Tuesday and TGOM on a Friday (not sure if that has any relevance).
Single this week ? :metal :hefdaddy
TGOM was released on December 3rd but TA was released on January 29th ...
Too early for me :facepalm:
On the Backs of Angels was released 3 months before ADTOE so it's possible we might get one soon. Also OTBOA and TEI were released on a Tuesday and TGOM on a Friday (not sure if that has any relevance).
Single this week ? :metal :hefdaddy
TGOM was released on December 3rd but TA was released on January 29th ...
Too early for me :facepalm:
On the Backs of Angels was released 3 months before ADTOE so it's possible we might get one soon. Also OTBOA and TEI were released on a Tuesday and TGOM on a Friday (not sure if that has any relevance).
IIRC, TGOM was leaked before they could release it properly, so they were forced to release it inmediately from an oficial source.
Single this week ? :metal :hefdaddy
TGOM was released on December 3rd but TA was released on January 29th ...
Too early for me :facepalm:
On the Backs of Angels was released 3 months before ADTOE so it's possible we might get one soon. Also OTBOA and TEI were released on a Tuesday and TGOM on a Friday (not sure if that has any relevance).
IIRC, TGOM was leaked before they could release it properly, so they were forced to release it inmediately from an oficial source.
I... don't remember that happening
Also OTBOA and TEI were released on a Tuesday and TGOM on a Friday (not sure if that has any relevance).That might be because of the music industry's shift in 2015 to Fridays as global release dates:
4 discs? What??
4 discs? What??
Vinyl lp
Amazon has the new album listed as a preorder with the following info :
Disc: 1
Untethered Angel
Paralyzed
Fall into the Light
Disc: 2
Barstool Warrior
Room 137
S2N
Disc: 3
At Wit's End
Out of Reach
Disc: 4
Pale Blue Dot
Viper King
Amazon has the new album listed as a preorder with the following info :
Disc: 1
Untethered Angel
Paralyzed
Fall into the Light
Disc: 2
Barstool Warrior
Room 137
S2N
Disc: 3
At Wit's End
Out of Reach
Disc: 4
Pale Blue Dot
Viper King
Is it region-exclusive? I can't seem to find it when searching (USA)
So Viper King is bonus track !!!
This is the track listing for the CD.
Track Listings
1. Untethered Angel
2. Paralyzed
3. Fall into the Light
4. Barstool Warrior
5. Room 137
6. S2N
7. At Wit's End
8. Out of Reach
9. Pale Blue Dot
The total running time is listed as 57 minutes. The LP shows 61 minutes. I hope not as that makes these songs really short.
Does this mean there's going to be a song not available on CD and only available on vinyl?! If so, I call bullshit.
4. Barstool Warrior
The total running time is listed as 57 minutes. The LP shows 61 minutes. I hope not as that makes these songs really short.
i hope it's under an hour long
S2N = Second To None?
This is the track listing for the CD.
Track Listings
1. Untethered Angel
2. Paralyzed
3. Fall into the Light
4. Barstool Warrior
5. Room 137
6. S2N
7. At Wit's End
8. Out of Reach
9. Pale Blue Dot
The total running time is listed as 57 minutes. The LP shows 61 minutes. I hope not as that makes these songs really short.
Can confirm track listing and album length.
Can confirm track listing and album length.
I thought Pale Blue Dot was supposed to be the album closer?
Can confirm track listing and album length.Which one, the CD or the vinyl? :P
This is the track listing for the CD.
Track Listings
1. Untethered Angel
2. Paralyzed
3. Fall into the Light
4. Barstool Warrior
5. Room 137
6. S2N
7. At Wit's End
8. Out of Reach
9. Pale Blue Dot
The total running time is listed as 57 minutes. The LP shows 61 minutes. I hope not as that makes these songs really short.
Only 57-61 minutes?
Can confirm track listing and album length.
So 57 minutes for a 9 track record. That's an average of a little more than 6 minutes per song, that's pretty short for DT standards.
S2N = Second To None?
Signal to Noise.
https://haifengl.github.io/smile/api/java/smile/feature/SignalNoiseRatio.html
S2N = Second To None?
Signal to Noise.
https://haifengl.github.io/smile/api/java/smile/feature/SignalNoiseRatio.html
"The signal-to-noise (S2N) metric ratio is a univariate feature ranking metric, which can be used as a feature selection criterion for binary classification problems. S2N is defined as |μ1 - μ2| / (σ1 + σ2), where μ1 and μ2 are the mean value of the variable in classes 1 and 2, respectively, and σ1 and σ2 are the standard deviations of the variable in classes 1 and 2, respectively. Clearly, features with larger S2N ratios are better for classification."
How can you make a song about THIS? :lol Are we sure Mangini didn't write the lyrics for this one as well?
Can confirm track listing and album length.Which one, the CD or the vinyl? :P
S2N = Second To None?
Signal to Noise.
https://haifengl.github.io/smile/api/java/smile/feature/SignalNoiseRatio.html
"The signal-to-noise (S2N) metric ratio is a univariate feature ranking metric, which can be used as a feature selection criterion for binary classification problems. S2N is defined as |μ1 - μ2| / (σ1 + σ2), where μ1 and μ2 are the mean value of the variable in classes 1 and 2, respectively, and σ1 and σ2 are the standard deviations of the variable in classes 1 and 2, respectively. Clearly, features with larger S2N ratios are better for classification."
How can you make a song about THIS? :lol
S2N = Second To None?
Signal to Noise.
https://haifengl.github.io/smile/api/java/smile/feature/SignalNoiseRatio.html
"The signal-to-noise (S2N) metric ratio is a univariate feature ranking metric, which can be used as a feature selection criterion for binary classification problems. S2N is defined as |μ1 - μ2| / (σ1 + σ2), where μ1 and μ2 are the mean value of the variable in classes 1 and 2, respectively, and σ1 and σ2 are the standard deviations of the variable in classes 1 and 2, respectively. Clearly, features with larger S2N ratios are better for classification."
How can you make a song about THIS? :lol Are we sure Mangini didn't write the lyrics for this one as well?
S2N sounds so much like it would be a short instrumental interlude to me, something to break up the album but I think it's been said there are no instrumentals.You just beat me to it - I was thinking it is probably a short piece, perhaps similar to WfS, Vacant or FFH. So maybe it sets up AWE, or maybe it serves as some sort of coda for R137.
9 tracks and 57 minutes isn't too bad, and it doesn't appear to have an intro track or instrumental. Better then 45 minutes including an intro :cough: Haken :cough:
Does anyone think that “song 10 “ snippet is viper king ? Or maybe they rearranged the order between then and now
Damn I wanted to be the first one to say that Peter Gabriel also released a song called Signal To Noise! :rollin
And WHAT a song that is!!!
But do we really *know* that S2N means Signal To Noise? Or is it just an assumption?
Personal, I didn't really like the Titel BU2B and I wish Rush would just have called it Brought Up To Believe.
That being said, it wouldn't really bother me here if S2N was just a short interlude (like f.e. BU2B 2 lol) somehow. Then again, I almost feel stupid writing this though, because "bother" is the wrong word :lol I just would have liked the band to have called it by its real name.
Does anyone think that “song 10 “ snippet is viper king ? Or maybe they rearranged the order between then and now
Damn I wanted to be the first one to say that Peter Gabriel also released a song called Signal To Noise! :rollin
And WHAT a song that is!!!
But do we really *know* that S2N means Signal To Noise? Or is it just an assumption?
Personal, I didn't really like the Titel BU2B and I wish Rush would just have called it Brought Up To Believe.
That being said, it wouldn't really bother me here if S2N was just a short interlude (like f.e. BU2B 2 lol) somehow. Then again, I almost feel stupid writing this though, because "bother" is the wrong word :lol I just would have liked the band to have called it by its real name.
They just saved us the time and abbreviated for us.
Does anyone think that “song 10 “ snippet is viper king ? Or maybe they rearranged the order between then and now
That & the order in which songs are written is usually very different from the actual tracklist order, because of pacing & such.
This is the track listing for the CD.
Track Listings
1. Untethered Angel
2. Paralyzed
3. Fall into the Light
4. Barstool Warrior
5. Room 137
6. S2N
7. At Wit's End
8. Out of Reach
9. Pale Blue Dot
The total running time is listed as 57 minutes. The LP shows 61 minutes. I hope not as that makes these songs really short.
Can confirm track listing and album length.Which one, the CD or the vinyl? :P
Both :P
DT has yet to disappoint me so I'm sure I will be happy with this but 57 minutes is about half an hour less than I was expecting . . .
Fine, 20 minutes less. That's typical for them.DT has yet to disappoint me so I'm sure I will be happy with this but 57 minutes is about half an hour less than I was expecting . . .
So you were expecting a 87 minutes album?.. :huh:
Fine, 20 minutes less. That's typical for them.DT has yet to disappoint me so I'm sure I will be happy with this but 57 minutes is about half an hour less than I was expecting . . .
So you were expecting a 87 minutes album?.. :huh:
I am actually flabbergasted that people are calling an hour of music short. So much so that I'm even using words like flabbergasted.
Not sure how I feel about the idea of a bonus track. I know IO likes their artists to have them, but I've found them to ruin the flow of an album. If Pale Blue Dot is the closer and is a sweet climax, then I don't want to hear Viper King come along and mess that up. I'll keep an open mind, but I don't know..
I simply go into DT albums with no expectations. The beauty about this band, is no matter what album or era you favour, there is always quality to come out of every album. So things like album length, I take with a grain of salt. I absolutely loved James’ solo Impermanent Resonance, and the standard version of that was nearly 10 minutes shorter than DoT. Good music is good music. :tup
Haken’s Vector is also short and it packs quite the punch. Quality > quantity 4ever boys.
Not sure how I feel about the idea of a bonus track. I know IO likes their artists to have them, but I've found them to ruin the flow of an album. If Pale Blue Dot is the closer and is a sweet climax, then I don't want to hear Viper King come along and mess that up. I'll keep an open mind, but I don't know..
I don’t know, I get where Will’s coming from. I want to hear Viper King, but I think the “balance” of a tracklisting is a delicate thing. I’ll probably just build two playlists.Not sure how I feel about the idea of a bonus track. I know IO likes their artists to have them, but I've found them to ruin the flow of an album. If Pale Blue Dot is the closer and is a sweet climax, then I don't want to hear Viper King come along and mess that up. I'll keep an open mind, but I don't know..So you should buy the regular version of the album which won’t feature the bonus track.
What about Sext 2 None?
My guess would be S2N. Bit sciencey?
57 minutes isn't long for progIt's not short for prog either. In fact genre is entirely irrelevant. An hour is pretty normal length for an album. 70+ minutes is long. As far as I'm concerned an album needs to go below about 40-45 minutes (i.e. the length of a single vinyl LP) to be considered short.
I don’t know, I get where Will’s coming from. I want to hear Viper King, but I think the “balance” of a tracklisting is a delicate thing. I’ll probably just build two playlists.
With such a "short" record they better skip the ballads. Too little possible awesomeness to be found if that's taking up space too. I've heard less than 10 ballads ever that do anything to me musically.
57 minutes isn't long for prog, I have some more or less pop albums of that length or more in my collection.
Quick thought - since there’s no track called Distance over Time (and it doesn’t look like a “thematic” title, e.g. Black Clouds & Silver Linings), could it be taken from the lyrics anywhere?
My guess would be S2N. Bit sciencey?
Haken’s Vector is also short and it packs quite the punch. Quality > quantity 4ever boys.
Provided that shorter means better, which is not necessarily the case.
There is new post on instagram from yeasterday press at planetradio. John use a acronym D/T so its official for Distance Over Time !
I don’t know, I get where Will’s coming from. I want to hear Viper King, but I think the “balance” of a tracklisting is a delicate thing. I’ll probably just build two playlists.
Yeah I get it too, but I won’t make such a big deal as the tone of his comment intended.
Sometimes something cool happens in the studio, but doesn’t fit into the feel of the album, and this time around instead of leaving this material to be put into future records we’ll have it as a bonus - which is something lots of people have asked here in these years.
And that’s exactly the reason why a song is presented as a bonus: it’s not part of the flow of the record, and it’s supposed to be listened with that in mind.
There is new post on instagram from yeasterday press at planetradio. John use a acronym D/T so its official for Distance Over Time !
It's an unnecessary confusion with the band's initials. DT's D/T... I mean, they forced James to go by his middle name for less. :D
There is new post on instagram from yeasterday press at planetradio. John use a acronym D/T so its official for Distance Over Time !
It's an unnecessary confusion with the band's initials. DT's D/T... I mean, they forced James to go by his middle name for less. :D
It's intentional... Do you really think the choice of D/T was an accident, when they could've went for "speed" or "velocity"? ;)
With such a "short" record they better skip the ballads. Too little possible awesomeness to be found if that's taking up space too. I've heard less than 10 ballads ever that do anything to me musically. 57 minutes isn't long for prog, I have some more or less pop albums of that length or more in my collection.
Ahhh so D/T is the second try at making a DT album! :angel: Love that acronym BTW, it's already a great redemption for the (imo!) low quality release that was DT ;)I haven't been a fan of the D/T acronym, but looking at it as kind of a sequel to DT is actually pretty cool. At this point they seem to have a lot of similarities.
probably because TA has so many. I could do without ballads, because I'm into technical pieces only. That said, I'll listen to anything they release as neutrally as I can. I've not been dissappointed with any Mangini-era album so far. I don't see why now either.With such a "short" record they better skip the ballads. Too little possible awesomeness to be found if that's taking up space too. I've heard less than 10 ballads ever that do anything to me musically. 57 minutes isn't long for prog, I have some more or less pop albums of that length or more in my collection.
"They better"?
Really?
Since Out Of Reach written by JLB I hope it's something like Slightly Out Of Reach or even its key/guitar solo from EoP. ONE CAN DREAM!
Ahhh so D/T is the second try at making a DT album! :angel: Love that acronym BTW, it's already a great redemption for the (imo!) low quality release that was DT ;)I haven't been a fan of the D/T acronym, but looking at it as kind of a sequel to DT is actually pretty cool. At this point they seem to have a lot of similarities.
For reasons I can't explain DT (the album) didn't really click with me so I'm hoping that D/T will this time around.
I'm also looking at this from the perspective of my Aspergers: I need to have ALL of my favorite band. Which creates a paradox in my mind with a compulsive need for things to be in their original state and as intended and bonus tracks mess with that.
Quick thought - since there’s no track called Distance over Time (and it doesn’t look like a “thematic” title, e.g. Black Clouds & Silver Linings), could it be taken from the lyrics anywhere?
The more I think about it, I'm glad they are putting out a record that doesn't fill a CD to the max. That tells me they must have been very satisfied with the material they had and thought it felt like a complete album even though the run time was around an hour. I'd rather them do that than just keep writing for the sake of filling up more time on the album.
I'm also looking at this from the perspective of my Aspergers: I need to have ALL of my favorite band. Which creates a paradox in my mind with a compulsive need for things to be in their original state and as intended and bonus tracks mess with that.
That's very interesting. I often have similar feelings about things like that.
DISTANCE OVER TIME - 22 FEBRUARY 2019
1. Untethered Angel (6:14)
2. Paralyzed (4:17)
3. Fall Into The Light (7:04)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Room 137 (4:23)
6. S2N (6:21)
7. At Wit’s End (9:20)
8. Out Of Reach (4:04)
9. Pale Blue Dot (8:25)
10. Viper King (4:00) (Bonus Track)
DISTANCE OVER TIME - 22 FEBRUARY 2019
1. Untethered Angel (6:14)
2. Paralyzed (4:17)
3. Fall Into The Light (7:04)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Room 137 (4:23)
6. S2N (6:21)
7. At Wit’s End (9:20)
8. Out Of Reach (4:04)
9. Pale Blue Dot (8:25)
10. Viper King (4:00) (Bonus Track)
DISTANCE OVER TIME - 22 FEBRUARY 2019
1. Untethered Angel (6:14)
2. Paralyzed (4:17)
3. Fall Into The Light (7:04)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Room 137 (4:23)
6. S2N (6:21)
7. At Wit’s End (9:20)
8. Out Of Reach (4:04)
9. Pale Blue Dot (8:25)
10. Viper King (4:00) (Bonus Track)
DISTANCE OVER TIME - 22 FEBRUARY 2019
1. Untethered Angel (6:14)
2. Paralyzed (4:17)
3. Fall Into The Light (7:04)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Room 137 (4:23)
6. S2N (6:21)
7. At Wit’s End (9:20)
8. Out Of Reach (4:04)
9. Pale Blue Dot (8:25)
10. Viper King (4:00) (Bonus Track)
Very interesting, like Marc mentioned, no songs over 10 minutes. They definitely went for a more concise approach with this one.
why wouldn't it be? I'm sure Petrucci is aware of the speechDISTANCE OVER TIME - 22 FEBRUARY 2019
1. Untethered Angel (6:14)
2. Paralyzed (4:17)
3. Fall Into The Light (7:04)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Room 137 (4:23)
6. S2N (6:21)
7. At Wit’s End (9:20)
8. Out Of Reach (4:04)
9. Pale Blue Dot (8:25)
10. Viper King (4:00) (Bonus Track)
If the theme song from Cosmos isn't sampled at some point during this song, I am going to be very upset.
DISTANCE OVER TIME - 22 FEBRUARY 2019
1. Untethered Angel (6:14)
2. Paralyzed (4:17)
3. Fall Into The Light (7:04)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Room 137 (4:23)
6. S2N (6:21)
7. At Wit’s End (9:20)
8. Out Of Reach (4:04)
9. Pale Blue Dot (8:25)
10. Viper King (4:00) (Bonus Track)
Very interesting, like Marc mentioned, no songs over 10 minutes. They definitely went for a more concise approach with this one.
For perspective, think of an album (length only, not necessarily the style) with:
1. The Enemy Inside
2. Hell's Kitchen or About to Crash reprise or I Walk Beside You
3. Behind the Veil or Under a Glass Moon or Constant Motion
4. Erotomania or Fatal Tragedy
5. Another Day
6. Surrender to Reason (Appropriate, since someone joked S2N could be Surrender 2 Neeson)
7. Metropolis Pt1
8. Far From Heaven
9. A Rite of Passage or Take The Time
10. The Silent Man
Forgive me for this, but has it actually been confirmed that At Wit's End is James'? I've missed it if they have.
indeed it is James' lyrics for AWE yes.Forgive me for this, but has it actually been confirmed that At Wit's End is James'? I've missed it if they have.
I'm quite confident it was explicitly revealed in an interview / press release where they first mentioned the song titles we didn't know yet.
DISTANCE OVER TIME - 22 FEBRUARY 2019
1. Untethered Angel (6:14)
2. Paralyzed (4:17)
3. Fall Into The Light (7:04)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Room 137 (4:23)
6. S2N (6:21)
7. At Wit’s End (9:20)
8. Out Of Reach (4:04)
9. Pale Blue Dot (8:25)
10. Viper King (4:00) (Bonus Track)
Very interesting, like Marc mentioned, no songs over 10 minutes. They definitely went for a more concise approach with this one.
For perspective, think of an album (length only, not necessarily the style) with:
1. The Enemy Inside
2. The Looking Glass
3. Under a Glass Moon
4. Fatal Tragedy
5. Another Day
6. Surrender to Reason
7. Metropolis Pt1
8. The Gift of Music
9. Take The Time
10. Cover My Eyes
DISTANCE OVER TIME - 22 FEBRUARY 2019
1. Untethered Angel (6:14)
2. Paralyzed (4:17)
3. Fall Into The Light (7:04)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Room 137 (4:23)
6. S2N (6:21)
7. At Wit’s End (9:20)
8. Out Of Reach (4:04)
9. Pale Blue Dot (8:25)
10. Viper King (4:00) (Bonus Track)
Very interesting, like Marc mentioned, no songs over 10 minutes. They definitely went for a more concise approach with this one.
For perspective, think of an album (length only, not necessarily the style) with:
1. The Enemy Inside
2. The Looking Glass
3. Under a Glass Moon
4. Fatal Tragedy
5. Another Day
6. Surrender to Reason
7. Metropolis Pt1
8. The Gift of Music
9. Take The Time
10. Cover My Eyes
Interesting! It's like we can "proof" that DT can make a great album with these track lenghts (edited for my personal taste ;))
DISTANCE OVER TIME - 22 FEBRUARY 2019
1. Untethered Angel (6:14)
2. Paralyzed (4:17)
3. Fall Into The Light (7:04)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Room 137 (4:23)
6. S2N (6:21)
7. At Wit’s End (9:20)
8. Out Of Reach (4:04)
9. Pale Blue Dot (8:25)
10. Viper King (4:00) (Bonus Track)
Huh...outside of The Astonishing, this is the first album since the debut to not include a song over 10 minutes in length.
This tracklist looks more like something Spock's Beard would put out, tbh, not that that's a bad thing! Now let's get a single!
-Marc.
how so?DISTANCE OVER TIME - 22 FEBRUARY 2019
1. Untethered Angel (6:14)
2. Paralyzed (4:17)
3. Fall Into The Light (7:04)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Room 137 (4:23)
6. S2N (6:21)
7. At Wit’s End (9:20)
8. Out Of Reach (4:04)
9. Pale Blue Dot (8:25)
10. Viper King (4:00) (Bonus Track)
Huh...outside of The Astonishing, this is the first album since the debut to not include a song over 10 minutes in length.
This tracklist looks more like something Spock's Beard would put out, tbh, not that that's a bad thing! Now let's get a single!
-Marc.
There has also only been one song off the last 3 albums that's over 10min long, and that's Illumination Theory. I thought it might've been a fluke, but it seems like DT is actively trying for shorter song lengths and more concise songs. I think it's a good, healthy change!
Ready for my weave to be snatched tbh
So, judging by the available information - as far as lyrics goes;
Untethered Angel, Barstool Warrior and Pale Blue Dot is written by JP, Room 137 is written by Mangini, At Wit's End and Out of Reach written by LaBrie.
That leaves Paralyzed, Fall Into The Light and at least two songs we don't know the title for yet - and I believe they said JM wrote lyrics for two.
First Google result for Viper King:
https://xcom.wikia.com/wiki/Viper_King_(XCOM_2)
I'm gonna take a wild guess and I'll assume it won't be it.
Is the bonus track not going to be on every copy sold? Will we have to pay more for one additional song?I believe if you're ONLY getting the standard jewel case version, you won't get it, but all other versions will have it. That's the typical InsideOut way...
Is the bonus track not going to be on every copy sold? Will we have to pay more for one additional song?I believe if you're ONLY getting the standard jewel case version, you won't get it, but all other versions will have it. That's the typical InsideOut way...
57 minutes isn't long for prog, I have some more or less pop albums of that length or more in my collection.
DISTANCE OVER TIME - 22 FEBRUARY 2019
1. Untethered Angel (6:14)
2. Paralyzed (4:17)
3. Fall Into The Light (7:04)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Room 137 (4:23)
6. S2N (6:21)
7. At Wit’s End (9:20)
8. Out Of Reach (4:04)
9. Pale Blue Dot (8:25)
10. Viper King (4:00) (Bonus Track)
Very interesting, like Marc mentioned, no songs over 10 minutes. They definitely went for a more concise approach with this one.
DT fans, that weird species of human kind that after listing its exaggerated length as one of the main reasons behind TA lukewarm reception, is able to complain about an hour long album with songs of the average length of 6,5 minutes.
how so?DISTANCE OVER TIME - 22 FEBRUARY 2019
1. Untethered Angel (6:14)
2. Paralyzed (4:17)
3. Fall Into The Light (7:04)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Room 137 (4:23)
6. S2N (6:21)
7. At Wit’s End (9:20)
8. Out Of Reach (4:04)
9. Pale Blue Dot (8:25)
10. Viper King (4:00) (Bonus Track)
Huh...outside of The Astonishing, this is the first album since the debut to not include a song over 10 minutes in length.
This tracklist looks more like something Spock's Beard would put out, tbh, not that that's a bad thing! Now let's get a single!
-Marc.
There has also only been one song off the last 3 albums that's over 10min long, and that's Illumination Theory. I thought it might've been a fluke, but it seems like DT is actively trying for shorter song lengths and more concise songs. I think it's a good, healthy change!
Ready for my weave to be snatched tbh
I'm very disappointed by the track lengths, because I've almost never heard a prog metal song I've actually ''loved'' that was this short (the only exceptions being The Brain Dance by AAL and first 8 minutes of Nocturnal Conspiracy by Haken).
I want songs that take me to another dimensions when I listen to them, I don't want songs which do nothing more than just make me say ''oh, really nice'' when I hear them. DT has been my favourite band because it could do that much more often than any other band could. But last two albums were really meh to me, and I'm afraid it will keep going that way with this one.
I see I'm a minority here with this attitude, but come on guys, you could've at least wrote ONE song that's not this short.
you could've at least wrote ONE song that's not this short.
Is the bonus track not going to be on every copy sold? Will we have to pay more for one additional song?I believe if you're ONLY getting the standard jewel case version, you won't get it, but all other versions will have it. That's the typical InsideOut way...
Perfect. I always get the jewel case for everything and I hate bonus tracks on albums
you could've at least wrote ONE song that's not this short.
7. At Wit’s End (9:20)
that's not one long enough song? I get it, there's now a trend of three albums with shorter songs, but you said you wanted one longer song. 9 minutes isn't short.
I wonder if the live show comes into account with the shorter songs though. Maybe with so many epics already and fans wanting them to keep playing those (Octavarium is a top songs DT fans want to see according to the poll here) the band doesn't feel like they should write another one because they don't want to play so many epics in a show? Shorter songs are easier to insert in/out of a setlist. Just speculating here.
you could've at least wrote ONE song that's not this short.
7. At Wit’s End (9:20)
that's not one long enough song? I get it, there's now a trend of three albums with shorter songs, but you said you wanted one longer song. 9 minutes isn't short.
I wonder if the live show comes into account with the shorter songs though. Maybe with so many epics already and fans wanting them to keep playing those (Octavarium is a top songs DT fans want to see according to the poll here) the band doesn't feel like they should write another one because they don't want to play so many epics in a show? Shorter songs are easier to insert in/out of a setlist. Just speculating here.
Maybe they need to stop these Anniversary shows.
you could've at least wrote ONE song that's not this short.
7. At Wit’s End (9:20)
that's not one long enough song? I get it, there's now a trend of three albums with shorter songs, but you said you wanted one longer song. 9 minutes isn't short.
I wonder if the live show comes into account with the shorter songs though. Maybe with so many epics already and fans wanting them to keep playing those (Octavarium is a top songs DT fans want to see according to the poll here) the band doesn't feel like they should write another one because they don't want to play so many epics in a show? Shorter songs are easier to insert in/out of a setlist. Just speculating here.
Maybe they need to stop these Anniversary shows.
Well topping it off with ACOS must have been difficult, I'm just wondering if after doing that they realize maybe they need to relax with the epics :lol
I'm very disappointed by the track lengths, because I've almost never heard a prog metal song I've actually ''loved'' that was this short (the only exceptions being The Brain Dance by AAL and first 8 minutes of Nocturnal Conspiracy by Haken).
I want songs that take me to another dimensions when I listen to them, I don't want songs which do nothing more than just make me say ''oh, really nice'' when I hear them. DT has been my favourite band because it could do that much more often than any other band could. But last two albums were really meh to me, and I'm afraid it will keep going that way with this one.
I see I'm a minority here with this attitude, but come on guys, you could've at least wrote ONE song that's not this short.
how so?DISTANCE OVER TIME - 22 FEBRUARY 2019
1. Untethered Angel (6:14)
2. Paralyzed (4:17)
3. Fall Into The Light (7:04)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Room 137 (4:23)
6. S2N (6:21)
7. At Wit’s End (9:20)
8. Out Of Reach (4:04)
9. Pale Blue Dot (8:25)
10. Viper King (4:00) (Bonus Track)
Huh...outside of The Astonishing, this is the first album since the debut to not include a song over 10 minutes in length.
This tracklist looks more like something Spock's Beard would put out, tbh, not that that's a bad thing! Now let's get a single!
-Marc.
There has also only been one song off the last 3 albums that's over 10min long, and that's Illumination Theory. I thought it might've been a fluke, but it seems like DT is actively trying for shorter song lengths and more concise songs. I think it's a good, healthy change!
Ready for my weave to be snatched tbh
For them, this is something new. So I am excited to hear it.
I don't care how long the album is, and I don't care how long the songs are. I only care how cohesive the album is, and how good the songs are.
I have seen comments along the lines of shorter means they are "trimming the fat," or the equivalent. I strongly disagree with that sentiment. That assumes there is "fat" that needs "trimming" in the first place. Even in DT's longest songs, I find very little that, to me, sounds like something that should have been trimmed down. There are only a small handful of songs that I felt contained songs that could/should have been trimmed down just a bit where that would have made them "better" songs (off the top of my head, the only ones are The Glass Prison, This Dying Soul, Endless Sacrifice, Repentance, TMOLS, ANTR, The Shattered Fortress, and TCOT).I get what you mean, but the difference between Dramatic Turn and Dream Theater (to pick two albums I love) is really stark.
I'm trying not to form any opinions based on track lengths. I generally prefer longer songs, but that doesn't necessarily mean that shorter songs are bad or less developed. But I have seen comments along the lines of shorter means they are "trimming the fat," or the equivalent. I strongly disagree with that sentiment. That assumes there is "fat" that needs "trimming" in the first place. Even in DT's longest songs, I find very little that, to me, sounds like something that should have been trimmed down. There are only a small handful of songs that I felt contained songs that could/should have been trimmed down just a bit where that would have made them "better" songs (off the top of my head, the only ones are The Glass Prison, This Dying Soul, Endless Sacrifice, Repentance, TMOLS, ANTR, The Shattered Fortress, and TCOT).
Asked about the shorter, more compact nature of some of the songs that appear on DREAM THEATER's latest, self-titled album, Petrucci said: "Actually, the funny thing is, this album, it kind of has everything, if you look at it, because that was one of the conversations we did have. It's something we did on the 'Awake' [1994] album, too, if you go back. The basic mentality is that every song doesn't have to be 12 minutes long. It's actually hard to do. The challenge is to try to write and keep the style that we write in without straying from the thing that makes us unique. And to try to do that within a four- or five- or six-minute mark, it's hard to do. But we did that on a few songs and kept the energy up and everything. And we also made sure that we did include a big epic piece on there. We made sure that there was an instrumental on there, which is something that we wanted to do. But, yeah, as far as those few songs that are kind of on the shorter side, we did say, it would be a nice challenge to try to keep things short. And it's really hard."
All of you people are talking about the album's length.the album's height? what do you mean by that?
I am far more worried about it's height.
All of you people are talking about the album's length.the album's height? what do you mean by that?
I am far more worried about it's height.
All of you people are talking about the album's length.the album's height? what do you mean by that?
I am far more worried about it's height.
Exactly what it sounds.
How tall is it?
7.31 inches.*shakes hand*
:eek
All of you people are talking about the album's length.I'm over here worrying about it's girth/yaw.
I am far more worried about it's height.
I'm interesting in it's taste, given how good those burgers and wings looked while making itThat's a good point. I too wonder how it tastes.
All of you people are talking about the album's length.
I am far more worried about it's height.
https://www.amazon.de/Distance-Over-Time-Dream-Theater/dp/B07KLTV9J4/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1543962549&sr=8-5&keywords=dream+theater+distance+over+time. details the actual content of the different sets now.
Number of discs / sound carriers: 7
https://www.amazon.de/Distance-Over-Time-Dream-Theater/dp/B07KLTV9J4/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1543962549&sr=8-5&keywords=dream+theater+distance+over+time. details the actual content of the different sets now.
Not sure I see what you are saying, looks like just a listing for the Ltd. Deluxe Collector's Box Set and this part is the only interesting thing in the listing since i dont see anymore info (although google translated from German to English):QuoteNumber of discs / sound carriers: 7
https://www.amazon.de/Distance-Over-Time-Dream-Theater/dp/B07KLTV9J4/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1543962549&sr=8-5&keywords=dream+theater+distance+over+time. details the actual content of the different sets now.
Not sure I see what you are saying, looks like just a listing for the Ltd. Deluxe Collector's Box Set and this part is the only interesting thing in the listing since i dont see anymore info (although google translated from German to English):QuoteNumber of discs / sound carriers: 7
Ah weird, the translated part ends at "it is audible how much heart, fun and passion have been put into this album. " for me and then its blank :lol way to cut off before the important part, thanks for showing
a Blu-Ray and a DVD (including a bonus track, 5.1 mixes with video animations, instrumental mixes, the album's high-resolution files, master data of the song 'Untethered Angel', extended liner Notes, additional artwork with photos from the time of the album and additional video content)
It will be much better for me if I'm pleasantly surprised by the album when it comes out, than vice versa, so no thanksI'm very disappointed by the track lengths, because I've almost never heard a prog metal song I've actually ''loved'' that was this short (the only exceptions being The Brain Dance by AAL and first 8 minutes of Nocturnal Conspiracy by Haken).
I want songs that take me to another dimensions when I listen to them, I don't want songs which do nothing more than just make me say ''oh, really nice'' when I hear them. DT has been my favourite band because it could do that much more often than any other band could. But last two albums were really meh to me, and I'm afraid it will keep going that way with this one.
I see I'm a minority here with this attitude, but come on guys, you could've at least wrote ONE song that's not this short.
They already did, on every album from Images and Words thru DT12. Also, I'm amazed you have the ability to judge an album after hearing 30 seconds of it.
I mean, at least wait until a full track is released before pouring your (no doubt pre-prepared) contempt on the work of art that the band have worked hard on making and that the band are proud of. It saddens me that some people are probably already in a negative state of mind about the album before they've even heard the thing. They're prepared to hate it rather than to love it.
Quotea Blu-Ray and a DVD (including a bonus track, 5.1 mixes with video animations, instrumental mixes, the album's high-resolution files, master data of the song 'Untethered Angel', extended liner Notes, additional artwork with photos from the time of the album and additional video content)
I want to know more about this. Specifically the video animations.
The only important measurement here is what SPEED the album is.
I think The Gift of Music is an example of an amazing short song, for me it's a song that defines DT in 4 mins.
Fun fact: the first DT album to have (including the bonus ) 10 tracks, which of course was the normal amount of songs for many bands in the days of cassettes, etc.
... they don't have a single album with 10 songs, which is a pretty average quantity of songs..
[on the next tour DT could play]... some songs of the new album (maybe the whole album!, who knows, depends on the length of the album) and some others..
137The only important measurement here is what SPEED the album is.
If TA is 1 and TOT10, What is the DOT speed? ;D
I'm trying not to form any opinions based on track lengths. I generally prefer longer songs, but that doesn't necessarily mean that shorter songs are bad or less developed. But I have seen comments along the lines of shorter means they are "trimming the fat," or the equivalent. I strongly disagree with that sentiment. That assumes there is "fat" that needs "trimming" in the first place. Even in DT's longest songs, I find very little that, to me, sounds like something that should have been trimmed down. There are only a small handful of songs that I felt contained songs that could/should have been trimmed down just a bit where that would have made them "better" songs (off the top of my head, the only ones are The Glass Prison, This Dying Soul, Endless Sacrifice, Repentance, TMOLS, ANTR, The Shattered Fortress, and TCOT).
Images and Words only has one song over ten minutes.
I'm fine with shorter and to the point songs. I enjoy long songs live we've seen on TOT, but i would prefer crazy sections without too many solos, just rhythmic and melodic changes.
Also, i would love to see some melodic unisons from JR and JP, i kind of miss that in the last albums, i was listening to Blind Faith the other day and i miss these joyful sections with mindblowing musicianship.
The only important measurement here is what SPEED the album is.
If TA is 1 and TOT10, What is the DOT speed? ;D
but anyway....Quotea Blu-Ray and a DVD (including a bonus track, 5.1 mixes with video animations, instrumental mixes, the album's high-resolution files, master data of the song 'Untethered Angel', extended liner Notes, additional artwork with photos from the time of the album and additional video content)
I want to know more about this. Specifically the video animations.
137The only important measurement here is what SPEED the album is.
If TA is 1 and TOT10, What is the DOT speed? ;D
:P
For some reason, i have a feeling that this album will be Awake-like. Relatively short, punchy songs. If they nail the atmosphere, i'll be super happy.Me as well sir !
Also, i have a hunch that one of the songs will be almost Meshuggah-like heavy and rhythmically challenging. At least that's what i'm hoping for from a Mangini perspective.
Also I have a feeling, in order to fill the lack of longer song feel their new two long songs (Pale Blue Dot and At Wit's End) have less lyrics and more intrumental sections.
For some reason, i have a feeling that this album will be Awake-like. Relatively short, punchy songs. If they nail the atmosphere, i'll be super happy.
Also, i have a hunch that one of the songs will be almost Meshuggah-like heavy and rhythmically challenging. At least that's what i'm hoping for from a Mangini perspective.
That last paragraph, translated using google translate:
... limited artbook with two CDs, a Blu-Ray and a DVD (including a bonus track, 5.1 mixes with video animations, instrumental mixes, the album's high-resolution files, master data of the song 'Untethered Angel', extended liner Notes, additional artwork with photos from the time of the album and additional video content)
This is amazing.
I'm literally witnessing my Dream Theater Custom Shop Parody come to life. :lol
This site lists all the editions with prices in Euros. I'm definitely wanting the 55 Euro one if it goes on sale locally.
https://www.lacasadeldisco.es/?search=dream+theater+distance+over+time
Interesting, I'm curious about the details of the different packages. What's the DVD/BR all about?
Interesting, I'm curious about the details of the different packages. What's the DVD/BR all about?
My two best guesses: the unreleased Budokan show of the I&WAB tour, or studio stuff of them recording the album / playing the new songs.
Budokan 2017 is not likely IMHO, because at that point in time they still were with Roadrunner.Interesting, I'm curious about the details of the different packages. What's the DVD/BR all about?
My two best guesses: the unreleased Budokan show of the I&WAB tour, or studio stuff of them recording the album / playing the new songs.
Interesting, I'm curious about the details of the different packages. What's the DVD/BR all about?
https://www.amazon.de/Distance-Over-Time-Dream-Theater/dp/B07KLTV9J4/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1543962549&sr=8-5&keywords=dream+theater+distance+over+time
That last paragraph, translated using google translate:
After more than 15 million records sold worldwide and a double GRAMMY® nomination, DREAM THEATER make their debut at InsideOutMusic / Sony Music. 'Distance Over Time' is the title of their 14th studio album, for which the band set out to return to their roots to produce a more organic sound. For writing and recording, they moved to remote Yonderbarn studios in Monticello, New York for four months, working together for the first time from beginning to end in the same location on an album. Apart from these little innovations, DREAM THEATER remain true to their unique combination of progressive metal and playful precision. And although 'Distance Over Time' deals with difficult topics, it is audible how much heart, fun and passion have been put into this album. 'Distance Over Time' is available in the following formats: - Deluxe Collector's Box Set (including lenticular card as cover, the Artbook, 180g exclusive color 2LP Gatefold Edition with exclusive artwork, exclusive Picture 7Inch, 60x60 Poster, 10 Art Cards, one Slipmat, one Patch, and a hand-numbered certificate of authenticity) - limited artbook with two CDs, a Blu-Ray and a DVD (including a bonus track, 5.1 mixes with video animations, instrumental mixes, the album's high-resolution files, master data of the song 'Untethered Angel', extended liner Notes, additional artwork with photos from the time of the album and additional video content) - limited CD Digipak (including a bonus track) - Standard CD Jewelcase - 180g heavy vinyl in the gatefold (including a bonus track, an eight-page LP booklet and the entire album as CD) - Digital album
But wasn't Budokan 2017 a release for Japanese TV? Does RR have rights to it?Budokan 2017 is not likely IMHO, because at that point in time they still were with Roadrunner.Interesting, I'm curious about the details of the different packages. What's the DVD/BR all about?
My two best guesses: the unreleased Budokan show of the I&WAB tour, or studio stuff of them recording the album / playing the new songs.
Interesting, I'm curious about the details of the different packages. What's the DVD/BR all about?
https://www.amazon.de/Distance-Over-Time-Dream-Theater/dp/B07KLTV9J4/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1543962549&sr=8-5&keywords=dream+theater+distance+over+time
That last paragraph, translated using google translate:
After more than 15 million records sold worldwide and a double GRAMMY® nomination, DREAM THEATER make their debut at InsideOutMusic / Sony Music. 'Distance Over Time' is the title of their 14th studio album, for which the band set out to return to their roots to produce a more organic sound. For writing and recording, they moved to remote Yonderbarn studios in Monticello, New York for four months, working together for the first time from beginning to end in the same location on an album. Apart from these little innovations, DREAM THEATER remain true to their unique combination of progressive metal and playful precision. And although 'Distance Over Time' deals with difficult topics, it is audible how much heart, fun and passion have been put into this album. 'Distance Over Time' is available in the following formats: - Deluxe Collector's Box Set (including lenticular card as cover, the Artbook, 180g exclusive color 2LP Gatefold Edition with exclusive artwork, exclusive Picture 7Inch, 60x60 Poster, 10 Art Cards, one Slipmat, one Patch, and a hand-numbered certificate of authenticity) - limited artbook with two CDs, a Blu-Ray and a DVD (including a bonus track, 5.1 mixes with video animations, instrumental mixes, the album's high-resolution files, master data of the song 'Untethered Angel', extended liner Notes, additional artwork with photos from the time of the album and additional video content) - limited CD Digipak (including a bonus track) - Standard CD Jewelcase - 180g heavy vinyl in the gatefold (including a bonus track, an eight-page LP booklet and the entire album as CD) - Digital album
That's weird, why would they put instrumental mixes on a DVD?
One disappointment I had with ADTOE was that several songs was kinda just normal vers/chorus/vers2/chorus/bridge/chorus but in a long format.
That's weird, why would they put instrumental mixes on a DVD?
It's a data disc for you to put in your computer. All the tracks in various different file formats for use in audio editing software.
One disappointment I had with ADTOE was that several songs was kinda just normal vers/chorus/vers2/chorus/bridge/chorus but in a long format.
Actually, only This is the Life and Beneath The Surface would fit that song structure.. So is 2 out of 9 songs.. I don't think that can be considered as "several"..
I guess there will be instrumental mixes on the second CD. What else could be there?That's what I'm thinking. So it would probably be something along these lines:
I guess there will be instrumental mixes on the second CD. What else could be there?That's what I'm thinking. So it would probably be something along these lines:
CD 1 - album with bonus track
CD 2 - instrumental version of album (maybe with bonus track)
DVD - 5.1 mixes with video animations, instrumental mixes, the album's high-resolution files, master data of the song 'Untethered Angel (probably the stem files, but just for UA)
BR - 5.1 mixes with video animations, instrumental mixes, the album's high-resolution files, master data of the song 'Untethered Angel (probably the stem files, but just for UA)
There might be something on the BR that's not on the DVD - perhaps the animations in high definition, whereas on the DVD they'll be in standard definition - but I would imagine most of it will be mirrored on the two discs. If this is the case, it's probably to make sure those that don't have a BR player can still enjoy what's on the discs. It also might be easier/cheaper just to sell both discs in the package together instead of having separate CD/DVD and CD/BR packages like they've done in the past.
OTBOA - Verse1/Verse2/Chorus/DifferentVerse/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus
BMUBMD - Verse1/Chorus/Verse2/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus
LNF - Verse1/Chorus/DifferentVerse/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus
(...)
By my count, that's 5/9 songs that have the "traditional" Verse/chorus/verse (even if it's not the same style as the first verse)/chorus/somethingdifferent/chorus.
*snip*
OTBOA - Verse1/Verse2/Chorus/DifferentVerse/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus
BMUBMD - Verse1/Chorus/Verse2/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus
LNF - Verse1/Chorus/DifferentVerse/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus
(...)
By my count, that's 5/9 songs that have the "traditional" Verse/chorus/verse (even if it's not the same style as the first verse)/chorus/somethingdifferent/chorus.
It all depends on what you consider as "verse" or "bridge"... I don't know in other languages/countries but here in Argentina we use "puente" - literally, "bridge"- for the lyrical sections that connect the verses with the choruses.. So, as I see, in order to speak about this example alone, you didn't count the bridges that those three songs I left in the quote have..
OtBoA: "We spiral towards disaster...", BMUBMD: "Obsession at all costs, you'll be the death of me..." and LNF (which is the longest): "I have faced the demons of our most desperate moments..." are these bridges that don't appear in your descriptions nor Pettor's, and which are very different to the verses they emerge from..
So I still count 2, but hey, I do agree with what he was implying, that would be cool if this new album would bring up new song structures... I mean, they haven't precisely skipped doing that in TA, but it was for obvious reasons that it has those multiple different structures..
Now we are back to a "normal" album, since DT12...
And yeah most of the ADTOE songs have a 2nd "verse" that sounds different from the 1st verse, but since it's sandwiched between 2 choruses I considered them verses
And yeah most of the ADTOE songs have a 2nd "verse" that sounds different from the 1st verse, but since it's sandwiched between 2 choruses I considered them verses
I'm not quite sure you know what sections I'm referring to (he, got a rhyme there).. The "puentes" I'm talking about are not just "different verses"; well you can consider them to be verses, but they have a very specific goal which is linking together the verse with the chorus.. They're not "sandwiched between choruses", as you put it.. They're sandwiched between the first verse (or verses) and the choruses, although sometimes they're skipped even if they've been used before in the song (mostly before the final chorus, where they go from the solo or instrumental section right into the chorus).. Also, unlike a verse, these "puentes" usually repeat the same lyrics, like the choruses almost always do..
In DT, they also mutate into something slightly different, not only changing lyrics but also the rhythm, time signatures, guitar sound, keyboard patches, etc (like in The Looking Glass, "You are caught up in your gravity...", Behind the Veil, "I'm finding courage in my darkest hour...", and Endless Sacrifice, "I'm so far away..."/" You're so far away...")...
Why are people so obsessed with not wanting a verse-chorus-verse pattern? Everything should be Metropolis Pt. 1? :p
One disappointment I had with ADTOE was that several songs was kinda just normal vers/chorus/vers2/chorus/bridge/chorus but in a long format.
Actually, only This is the Life and Beneath The Surface would fit that song structure.. So is 2 out of 9 songs.. I don't think that can be considered as "several"..
Let's dissect that a bit. I don't think he literally meant that structure, but you can see that they're very close. And I consider an an instrumental break as a bridge.
OTBOA - Verse1/Verse2/Chorus/DifferentVerse/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus
BMUBMD - Verse1/Chorus/Verse2/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus
LNF - Verse1/Chorus/DifferentVerse/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus
TitL - What you mentioned
BitS - Verse1/Chorus/DifferentVerse/Chorus/Bridge/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus
Outcry - Verse1/Chorus/DifferentVerse/InstrumentalBreak/Bridge/Chorus
FFH - Verse1/Verse2/FinalSection
BAI - Verse1/"Live in the moment..."/"Endless thoughts..."/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus
BTS - What you mentioned
By my count, that's 5/9 songs that have the "traditional" Verse/chorus/verse (even if it's not the same style as the first verse)/chorus/somethingdifferent/chorus.
I think Pettor was wanting more songs structured like BAI, or Metropolis where we had Verse1/Verse2/"As a child.....the third arrives"/InstrumentalBreak/"Before the leaves...Dance of eternity"
...for a band that doesn't put as much emphasis on the lyrics as, say, Taylor Swift)...
This has to be the most surreal dt interview I’ve ever seen: https://youtu.be/m25bJ297zrc
This has to be the most surreal dt interview I’ve ever seen: https://youtu.be/m25bJ297zrc
This has to be the most surreal dt interview I’ve ever seen: https://youtu.be/m25bJ297zrc:rollin
Leaked ..what ? There is really something around ? :mehlin*snip*
And you should know better by now that posting leaked material is against forum rules.
This has to be the most surreal dt interview I’ve ever seen: https://youtu.be/m25bJ297zrc
...for a band that doesn't put as much emphasis on the lyrics as, say, Taylor Swift)...
'Cause the players gonna play, play, play, play, play
And the haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate
Baby, I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake, shake, shake
I shake it off, I shake it off
Heart-breakers gonna break, break, break, break, break
And the fakers gonna fake, fake, fake, fake, fake
Baby, I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake, shake, shake
I shake it off, I shake it off
No, it’s just a guy talking about things he shouldn’t have yet. No tangible things. Besides, if there was? This would be the wrong place to talk about that :p
No, it’s just a guy talking about things he shouldn’t have yet. No tangible things. Besides, if there was? This would be the wrong place to talk about that :pSure Im understand. Rules are rules !
Indeed, but no, no leaked material at all. (and if there is at any point, the usual rules will apply here that it can't be discussed or even hinted at)No, it’s just a guy talking about things he shouldn’t have yet. No tangible things. Besides, if there was? This would be the wrong place to talk about that :pSure Im understand. Rules are rules !
I was just curious because its pretty early for things like that.
This has to be the most surreal dt interview I’ve ever seen: https://youtu.be/m25bJ297zrc
So awkward :lol
This has to be the most surreal dt interview I’ve ever seen: https://youtu.be/m25bJ297zrc
As the resident Taylor Swift fan, there's also:...for a band that doesn't put as much emphasis on the lyrics as, say, Taylor Swift)...
'Cause the players gonna play, play, play, play, play
And the haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate
Baby, I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake, shake, shake
I shake it off, I shake it off
Heart-breakers gonna break, break, break, break, break
And the fakers gonna fake, fake, fake, fake, fake
Baby, I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake, shake, shake
I shake it off, I shake it off
This has to be the most surreal dt interview I’ve ever seen: https://youtu.be/m25bJ297zrc
This has to be the most surreal dt interview I’ve ever seen: https://youtu.be/m25bJ297zrc
This has to be the most surreal dt interview I’ve ever seen: https://youtu.be/m25bJ297zrc
So awkward :lol
:lol Totally bizarre! It gave me a good laugh to start my morning with at least.
I wonder what JM would have replied with if the host asked him how much money he had.
I wonder what JM would have replied with if the host asked him how much money he had.
Anyone living in the future (december 7th) should check their favorite streaming platforms (like Spotify) right now...
Is it already the 7th in Australia or New Zealand?
Anyone living in the future (december 7th) should check their favorite streaming platforms (like Spotify) right now...
New single Untethered Angel is out tomorrow.
Source: DT instagram page.
New single Untethered Angel is out tomorrow.New artwork! :tup
Source: DT instagram page.
To everyone that is wondering what that spanish interview was that all about, I would like to provide some context about this show (although JP mentions a little bit about why they are there).
[...]
New single Untethered Angel is out tomorrow.
Source: DT instagram page.
I really like the art for the single.
To everyone that is wondering what that spanish interview was that all about, I would like to provide some context about this show (although JP mentions a little bit about why they are there).Thank you very much! That clears it up for me :biggrin:
The host of the show is one of the most popular comedians in Spain of the last 5 years (if not the most popular) and last year he got his own late late night show. It is broadcasted right after another late night (which is a completely new thing in Spain, although it may be common in the US) and it is directed mainly to people around their 20s to 30s.
First of all, this was not the whole interview, since they make some cuts for Youtube (the whole show is 60 minutes long and the interview is around 10 minutes longer than the youtube clip, this is always like that for every guest). Not that they spoke much about the album but the thing is that it never happens. No matter who comes to the show, they rarely speak about what the guest is promoting, it's all about the comedy and if the guests are and you like them, you will probably check it out. They spoke a little bit about the album but this was cut (the host asked if the album was out yet and JP said that it was a big secret right now and the host joked about asking JP to send him an MP3 with the album and to make sure that it was a "good MP3").
Which brings me to the second point that is that, no, they did not fly to Spain just to do this. Apparently they are on a promo tour in Europe where they are having interviews with a lot of websites and magazines and radios and (this is something that is mentioned by the director of the show, who is also the guy that plays the keyboard) very randomly to this show too because of its popularity and the fact that the director of the show and the host are both fans of the band.
That's another thing, to anyone that would know the host, the surprise was that they managed to get them on the show, not that they would invite them. The host has another show on the radio with other two guys where they just joke about everything and have some music once in a while. This music is decided by him and they have aired (is this the right term?) even Liquid Tension Experiment. They had on this same show a couple of weeks ago the band Toundra and the host asked them if what they did was similar to DT (to which they replied "we wished" :lol).
So, anyway, as one of the few spaniards of the forum (although I almost never post and I mostly lurk ;D) and also a fan of this show, I wanted to provide some context to everyone that is wrapping their heads about it.
(By the way, what was mentioned at the show is true, if you ever go to Madrid, try the tap water, it is fantastic, and as you could see, a running gag :rollin )
Honestly, these days any joy I get out of anything DT related is tempered with disappointment that that positivity is not universal, even though it really should be.
I think that's your problem rather than anyone else's. You have a choice not to engage, thereby avoiding any potential exposure to disappointment.
I think that's your problem rather than anyone else's. You have a choice not to engage, thereby avoiding any potential exposure to disappointment.
But I want to engage with enthusiasts, with people who enjoy the music. It's the greatest thing ever when two or more people can enthuse over something they mutually enjoy. Enthusiasm is infectious and great for the soul.
I think that's your problem rather than anyone else's. You have a choice not to engage, thereby avoiding any potential exposure to disappointment.
But I want to engage with enthusiasts, with people who enjoy the music. It's the greatest thing ever when two or more people can enthuse over something they mutually enjoy. Enthusiasm is infectious and great for the soul.
Okay, let me give it a shot:
I am really excited about the new album. This band never disappoints me, and as much enthusiasm as they have toward the entire creative process behind this album, I cannot help but be excited. The brief clips aren't much to go on, but sound really good. The artwork is fantastic. The only thing that gives me a slight bit of trepidation is the album length and song lengths. Don't get me wrong--Dream Theater write really good "short" songs. Heck, they write really good medium songs, really good long songs...just really good songs. But I feel they are at their best when they let a song take its time to build and breath, both lyrically and musically. Not every song needs to do that, but most of their albums have a few on the longer side that creates a nice blend between longer and shorter. That said, track/album length really tell us next to nothing about how the music will actually sound. Dream Theater has never failed to put out outstanding music, so I am really looking forward to this.
How's that? :biggrin:
I really like the art for the single.
You're right. It's my fault for even trying to express my feeling when I should have known from past experience that they won't be taken with at least a little bit of seriousness.
There’s a number 58 on the busted up box in the lower left. Hmm...
I get you, I feel kind of lonely in Facebook and youtube and unless it's pre Octavarium Stuff, it's shit so you are kind of forced not to like it.
While in reality, I like BC&SL, ADTOE, DT12 and TA like... a lot, and I wish I could express just the awesome songs on the album without being repelled and told how ignorant I am in these places
I get you, I feel kind of lonely in Facebook and youtube and unless it's pre Octavarium Stuff, it's shit so you are kind of forced not to like it.
While in reality, I like BC&SL, ADTOE, DT12 and TA like... a lot, and I wish I could express just the awesome songs on the album without being repelled and told how ignorant I am in these places
Thank you for the 1 day earlier birthday gift, DT!Cool, we're together on that :coolio
Thank you for the 1 day earlier birthday gift, DT!Cool, we're together on that :coolio
I liked it bosk, and I largely agree, too - hope that means something. :)You're right. It's my fault for even trying to express my feeling when I should have known from past experience that they won't be taken with at least a little bit of seriousness.Wow, I guess my post meant nothing then.
Thank you for the 1 day earlier birthday gift, DT!Cool, we're together on that :coolio
And we are both Brazilian, lol.
Is it midnight already? Anyone in Australia or Japan to give us the first impressions? :biggrin:
Is it midnight already? Anyone in Australia or Japan to give us the first impressions? :biggrin:
I just saw some people posting their impressions on twitter, in response to the DT tweet about the single.
yes it does (to me anyway)You're right. It's my fault for even trying to express my feeling when I should have known from past experience that they won't be taken with at least a little bit of seriousness.
Wow, I guess my post meant nothing then.
I'm pretty sure that this won't ending on dating ;D, but maybe one day, the 3 of us can go to a DT concert together!Thank you for the 1 day earlier birthday gift, DT!Cool, we're together on that :coolio
And we are both Brazilian, lol.
Ih.... Vai dar namoro :hat Parabéns adiantado aos dois!
Is it midnight already? Anyone in Australia or Japan to give us the first impressions? :biggrin:
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I have been informed that the single is available on at least one Spotify channel outside the U.S. Please hold off on discussing or posting about it until midnight Eastern (unless it releases in the U.S. before then). I'm glad those of you with proper access in those countries are able to enjoy it. But for the sake of those who are not (yet), please hold off. Thanks.
imo talking about most DT songs that aren't Wither or TALW in terms of lyrical VCVCBCC forms isn't the best way to go about describing their song structures. Most of the instrumental parts are written first, with the vocals being added later. TMoLS, for example, could technically be broken down to a VC structure, but that long middle section has about as much weight as the vocal sections and just labeling it as a "bridge" diminishes its importance. If you're going to do a structural analysis of a DT song (or most prog songs), you're better off thinking in terms of raw music. Honest, I find that using A/B/C labels to be much more efficient and accurate for describing their song structures.
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All this mumbo jumbo is me basically trying to say that trying to describe the song structure in terms of the lyrics (for a band that doesn't put as much emphasis on the lyrics as, say, Taylor Swift) will make you miss out on a lot of details and imo give you an inaccurate picture of how the song is layed out. In reality, DT songs kind of function as both the overarching musical structure (which is more dominant) and the lyrical structure (which is more subservient). It's a weird and unique form of what I would call a "double-function form" that comes about from prog's original classical and jazz influences mixing with pop/rock music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N72yADU6gys
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I notice Wikipedia has lyricists for some of the songs. How legit are they? The only band interviews I've seen are the three that The Prog Report did on the band's official channel.
Can someone clarify, maybe I missed it, is the single available at midnight tonight in your location? Like can I go to spotify or youtube tonight at midnight or 12:01 tomorrow morning and listen to the song? Thinking about making sure I stay up to listen tonight so I can listen first time in bed vs. at work tomorrow.
Thanks, I'll just use spotify to get my listen in at midnight. Seems like a good way to end the night although I hope it does make me not want to go to sleep because of it's awesomeness.
Any word on a music video coming with the song? I can't remember what happened last time, I remember the video for The Gift of Music but I can't recall if they released it with the song or later on.afterwards IIRC (single release was in December of 2015 and single video was in February of 2016 according to YT)
I choose not to listen to the single. I want to take in the whole album at once if I live long enough for the release..
I choose not to listen to the single. I want to take in the whole album at once if I live long enough for the release..
I've chosen this path as well.
I choose not to listen to the single. I want to take in the whole album at once if I live long enough for the release..
I've chosen this path as well.
I listened once and I'm gonna try to hold off listening again until the album is out.I choose not to listen to the single. I want to take in the whole album at once if I live long enough for the release..
I've chosen this path as well.
For me it's a mix of both worlds - while I choose to not listen to anything from certain records until the album is actually out, I still read the reviews 'cause I'm curious to what the songs sound like, or are described.
With this album I'll probably hold back, I see that the reactions are mixed and in the case that I don't like the song I don't want to spend all the time from here to February fearing that the album might not be good. Also, with such a relatively short running time, not knowing already 1/9th of the album will make for a more complete experience in February!
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For me it's a mix of both worlds - while I choose to not listen to anything from certain records until the album is actually out, I still read the reviews 'cause I'm curious to what the songs sound like, or are described.
With this album I'll probably hold back, I see that the reactions are mixed and in the case that I don't like the song I don't want to spend all the time from here to February fearing that the album might not be good. Also, with such a relatively short running time, not knowing already 1/9th of the album will make for a more complete experience in February!
That's what I'll do this time around : not listen but read reviews. I'm not afraid of bad reviews because thay have zero influence on my opinion. At the end of the day, it's YOU who decide if it's good or not, not others.
B.Lee
I’ve always felt reviews were mostly useless and never paid much attention to them. With the nature of music being subjective, and knowing how everyone interprets music uniquely, it would be a total crapshoot with astronomical odds to find a reviewer that would see music precisely the way you do. So, why rely on the reviews of someone else to determine if something is good? Unless, of course, you can’t make a judgement for yourself, you enjoy having others make that decision for you and you align your views based on someone else’s opinion. Even if I did agree with the reviewers personal opinion, I find no value in that, because in the end, someone else’s opinion is ultimately useless if I’m genuinely interested in what the music does for me.
The new album will most likely have mixed reviews. Depending on who you ask, the album will be the best DT has to offer, and their worst. Just like all their other albums. My advice is to listen to it for yourself and make a decision based on how you feel about it. Whether you agree or disagree with others is ultimately irrelevant. For me, at least.
Just listened to Untethered Angel and my initial reaction is that it hits all the more typical DT compositional elements. No real surprises. Hoping that the Youtube sound is not representative of their actual release. Sounded more compressed than I would like but I was glad to hear more keys and bass than usual. It's not a bad song but not in the same league as other material they've released prior. For example, if Breaking All Illusions is an A+, this would be a B in my opinion. Of course, their playing is stellar as usual and I did like the split screen video including some quick flybys of their cooking for each other. I'm still really looking forward to this release and am hoping that this tease is just the tip of the iceberg with true surprises coming.
Good day. Is there a preorder package of a CD that would include downloadable files on the day of release?
https://burningshed.com/store/InsideOutMusic/dream-theater_distance-over-time-deluxe-collectors_boxset
Burning shed has their pre-orders up. That's a pricey box set, but it does include a lot of stuff! Anyone find it cheaper elsewhere online?
-Marc.
I am guessing that “the viper king” is some sort of novelty song and thatis why its called a bonus song.
I wonder if that's the JM riff Mangini was talking about.I am guessing that “the viper king” is some sort of novelty song and thatis why its called a bonus song.
If I had to bet, I think it's going to be this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5rxmfa8OPA
We'll only know in February, but something about this riff sort of asks for a rocking theme like... a Viper King? ???
I am guessing that “the viper king” is some sort of novelty song and thatis why its called a bonus song.
If I had to bet, I think it's going to be this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5rxmfa8OPA
We'll only know in February, but something about this riff sort of asks for a rocking theme like... a Viper King? ???
Yeah, song numbers just signify when they were written, and song 10 isn't song 10 on the album. Song 10 is actually S2N.
Yeah, song numbers just signify when they were written, and song 10 isn't song 10 on the album. Song 10 is actually S2N.
I still don't understand why would somebody want instrumental versions of the album. I gues they're helpful if you're a singer doing karaoke... but seriously, why?
but I bought the version of BC&SL that has those and probably haven't listened to them more than once or twice.
I still don't understand why would somebody want instrumental versions of the album. I gues they're helpful if you're a singer doing karaoke... but seriously, why?
but I bought the version of BC&SL that has those and probably haven't listened to them more than once or twice.
I have literally never listened to the instrumental version.
but I bought the version of BC&SL that has those and probably haven't listened to them more than once or twice.
I have literally never listened to the instrumental version.
If you were to take those stems and re-edit your own unique mix of a song, maybe even with your own vocals, is that something you could then put on YouTube or would it get pulled down for copyright reasons?
If you were to take those stems and re-edit your own unique mix of a song, maybe even with your own vocals, is that something you could then put on YouTube or would it get pulled down for copyright reasons?
If you were to take those stems and re-edit your own unique mix of a song, maybe even with your own vocals, is that something you could then put on YouTube or would it get pulled down for copyright reasons?
It would probably get pulled from YouTube. When they put out stems for the BCSL songs, fans were coming up with some pretty creative mixes and edits, so I did let people post and share them here for awhile. If there is a demand for that again this time around, I might revisit the idea.
If you were to take those stems and re-edit your own unique mix of a song, maybe even with your own vocals, is that something you could then put on YouTube or would it get pulled down for copyright reasons?
It would probably get pulled from YouTube. When they put out stems for the BCSL songs, fans were coming up with some pretty creative mixes and edits, so I did let people post and share them here for awhile. If there is a demand for that again this time around, I might revisit the idea.
That's a great idea! Not that I'm anywhere near capable of doing it, but I would like to hear what people would come up with.
B.Lee
Based on every legit thing we know so far, Song 1 is At Wit's End and Song 4 is Untethered Angel
Based on every legit thing we know so far, Song 1 is At Wit's End and Song 4 is Untethered Angel
Untethered Angel is song 10 based off the studio sample they released with them jamming that idea.
If you were to take those stems and re-edit your own unique mix of a song, maybe even with your own vocals, is that something you could then put on YouTube or would it get pulled down for copyright reasons?
It would probably get pulled from YouTube. When they put out stems for the BCSL songs, fans were coming up with some pretty creative mixes and edits, so I did let people post and share them here for awhile. If there is a demand for that again this time around, I might revisit the idea.
If you were to take those stems and re-edit your own unique mix of a song, maybe even with your own vocals, is that something you could then put on YouTube or would it get pulled down for copyright reasons?
It's a shame they would get pulled. It seems to me that making your own mix would be one of the main selling points for getting the stems. No fun if you can't share what you come up with :(
If you were to take those stems and re-edit your own unique mix of a song, maybe even with your own vocals, is that something you could then put on YouTube or would it get pulled down for copyright reasons?
It would probably get pulled from YouTube. When they put out stems for the BCSL songs, fans were coming up with some pretty creative mixes and edits, so I did let people post and share them here for awhile. If there is a demand for that again this time around, I might revisit the idea.
That's a great idea! Not that I'm anywhere near capable of doing it, but I would like to hear what people would come up with.
B.Lee
I'll definitely remix the stems, but won't put it on YouTube. It'll be shared in pvt.
Maybe a dumb question..maybe not...will there be digital d/l option ..I purchased previous material from HD download in hi res digital format..will any version shown of DOT include it ?Well what I could see is that there will be a Hires version available, on a site called qobuz.com (just do a search for the new album and there will be a preorder option. Last time I checked anyway.) I don't know if HDtracks will carry it, but I found qobuz.com will. (96 k 24 bit apparently)
I noticed on the site that there is this:Maybe a dumb question..maybe not...will there be digital d/l option ..I purchased previous material from HD download in hi res digital format..will any version shown of DOT include it ?Well what I could see is that there will be a Hires version available, on a site called qobuz.com (just do a search for the new album and there will be a preorder option. Last time I checked anyway.) I don't know if HDtracks will carry it, but I found qobuz.com will. (96 k 24 bit apparently)
Edit: here you go, bonus track incuded: https://www.qobuz.com/de-de/album/distance-over-time-bonus-track-version-dream-theater/bunceuzl5mfsa
I noticed on the site that there is this:Maybe a dumb question..maybe not...will there be digital d/l option ..I purchased previous material from HD download in hi res digital format..will any version shown of DOT include it ?Well what I could see is that there will be a Hires version available, on a site called qobuz.com (just do a search for the new album and there will be a preorder option. Last time I checked anyway.) I don't know if HDtracks will carry it, but I found qobuz.com will. (96 k 24 bit apparently)
Edit: here you go, bonus track incuded: https://www.qobuz.com/de-de/album/distance-over-time-bonus-track-version-dream-theater/bunceuzl5mfsa
"(P) 2019 Ytse Jams, Inc., under exclusive license to InsideOutMusic"
Could it mean something for YtseJam releases? Like DT licenses all their music themselves and then gives insideOut an exclusive license. Perhaps we'll get more releases from Ytsejam? One can always hope, right?
oh, ok. Didn't know that. Thank you!I noticed on the site that there is this:Maybe a dumb question..maybe not...will there be digital d/l option ..I purchased previous material from HD download in hi res digital format..will any version shown of DOT include it ?Well what I could see is that there will be a Hires version available, on a site called qobuz.com (just do a search for the new album and there will be a preorder option. Last time I checked anyway.) I don't know if HDtracks will carry it, but I found qobuz.com will. (96 k 24 bit apparently)
Edit: here you go, bonus track incuded: https://www.qobuz.com/de-de/album/distance-over-time-bonus-track-version-dream-theater/bunceuzl5mfsa
"(P) 2019 Ytse Jams, Inc., under exclusive license to InsideOutMusic"
Could it mean something for YtseJam releases? Like DT licenses all their music themselves and then gives insideOut an exclusive license. Perhaps we'll get more releases from Ytsejam? One can always hope, right?
They’ve always released their music under Ytse Jams Inc. It has nothing to do with Ytse Jam Records (the official bootleg store).
I noticed on the site that there is this:Maybe a dumb question..maybe not...will there be digital d/l option ..I purchased previous material from HD download in hi res digital format..will any version shown of DOT include it ?Well what I could see is that there will be a Hires version available, on a site called qobuz.com (just do a search for the new album and there will be a preorder option. Last time I checked anyway.) I don't know if HDtracks will carry it, but I found qobuz.com will. (96 k 24 bit apparently)
Edit: here you go, bonus track incuded: https://www.qobuz.com/de-de/album/distance-over-time-bonus-track-version-dream-theater/bunceuzl5mfsa
"(P) 2019 Ytse Jams, Inc., under exclusive license to InsideOutMusic"
Could it mean something for YtseJam releases? Like DT licenses all their music themselves and then gives insideOut an exclusive license. Perhaps we'll get more releases from Ytsejam? One can always hope, right?
Gonna leave this here - if you're scared of spoilers, don't click the link:Definitely interesting, but doesn't seem like there are really any "spoilers" Maybe I'm missing something. I'm afraid to say more since some might want to avoid the link.
For those interested: not many spoilers in the DT Argentina Facebook post.
They mention some influences, and some general elements found in the music.
They do say that "you'll even find some surprises".
What about the other fanclubs' posts?
Gonna leave this here - if you're scared of spoilers, don't click the link: https://www.facebook.com/TheDreamTheaterWorld/photos/a.977563095652365/2371897949552199/?type=3&theater
I was listening on Untethered Angel, and then The Mirror came up. Still can't believe how much better the band was sounding in 1994, and how much worse the recent albums sound in comparison to a 24 year old record.
This is our spoiler-free impression of D/T :D
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DT USA has been fortunate enough to listen to Distance over Time in its entirety!
Though we can't share it with you now (please don't ask) and we certainly won't spoil it for you, we can definitely give you an idea of what to expect. You are in for an amazing and exciting ride!!!
DT has the best formula in D/T- the perfect combination of their newer sound, while still revisiting and celebrating their classic roots. We can tell you that we've heard some of the most killer riffs in all of the discography, some of JP's most emotional solos yet, JM upfront and loud, the best MM sound, JR playing in his classic, throwback DT style, and JLB truly shines. There are some deja-vu moments and familiarity, but they take you in a completely different and refreshing direction.
Overall, you get a real sense of community and satisfaction in this album. It really gives off that feeling that the band is happy and working together harmoniously. The energy is palpable with all of us as well...there is just this excitement we haven't seen in years.
We can't wait for you to hear it!!!
This is our spoiler-free impression of D/T :D
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DT USA has been fortunate enough to listen to Distance over Time in its entirety!
Though we can't share it with you now (please don't ask) and we certainly won't spoil it for you, we can definitely give you an idea of what to expect. You are in for an amazing and exciting ride!!!
DT has the best formula in D/T- the perfect combination of their newer sound, while still revisiting and celebrating their classic roots. We can tell you that we've heard some of the most killer riffs in all of the discography, some of JP's most emotional solos yet, JM upfront and loud, the best MM sound, JR playing in his classic, throwback DT style, and JLB truly shines. There are some deja-vu moments and familiarity, but they take you in a completely different and refreshing direction.
Overall, you get a real sense of community and satisfaction in this album. It really gives off that feeling that the band is happy and working together harmoniously. The energy is palpable with all of us as well...there is just this excitement we haven't seen in years.
We can't wait for you to hear it!!!
I know this has nothing to do with the band, but I just have to share.
I purchased my tickets for the April 12th show in Beacon Theater, NY, during presale. I got pretty good seats, center Orchestra, Row A, aisle seats. Nowhere on my screen while buying, the ticket list, the seating chart or my physical ticket did it say that those seats where for wheel chair audience. I just received a call asking if anyone attending the show with me needs wheelchair access seats, and if not my order would be cancelled.
Now I am stuck buying bad seats tickets, or overpriced resellers. Very frustrating.
I know this has nothing to do with the band, but I just have to share.
I purchased my tickets for the April 12th show in Beacon Theater, NY, during presale. I got pretty good seats, center Orchestra, Row A, aisle seats. Nowhere on my screen while buying, the ticket list, the seating chart or my physical ticket did it say that those seats where for wheel chair audience. I just received a call asking if anyone attending the show with me needs wheelchair access seats, and if not my order would be cancelled.
Now I am stuck buying bad seats tickets, or overpriced resellers. Very frustrating.
JP said on this spanish interview that they’re going to release an official video for Paralyzed too :metal
(https://www.rafabasa.com/2018/12/06/dream-theater-entrevistados-en-madrid-breve-adelanto-de-la-entrevista/)
The second single is paralyzed? That is news to me.
The second single is paralyzed? That is news to me.
This is the first album cycle without chaossystem since The Astonishing :-[
I think the second single will be released in February and will not be Paralyzed ;D
Well, that is unfortunately all up to the promoter for the show. DT can't announce anything without the promoter. It's always the promoter that arranges the show and the circumstances around the show.
I mean, that has been valid since november 20th...
Review embargo is probably late January - early February.
I also read ;D But strangely the guy repeats the word melody several times but never talks about heavy :huh:
People say such ridiculous things. So according to this guy JP plays soaring, melodic leads and there isn’t as much “pointless” soloing unlike “previous albums”. Does this idiot not realize that The Astonishing was their previous album, which was full of melodic leads and very little shredding?? I really hate it when people don’t know what they’re talking about.
People say such ridiculous things. So according to this guy JP plays soaring, melodic leads and there isn’t as much “pointless” soloing unlike “previous albums”. Does this idiot not realize that The Astonishing was their previous album, which was full of melodic leads and very little shredding?? I really hate it when people don’t know what they’re talking about.
People say such ridiculous things. So according to this guy JP plays soaring, melodic leads and there isn’t as much “pointless” soloing unlike “previous albums”. Does this idiot not realize that The Astonishing was their previous album, which was full of melodic leads and very little shredding?? I really hate it when people don’t know what they’re talking about.
People say such ridiculous things. So according to this guy JP plays soaring, melodic leads and there isn’t as much “pointless” soloing unlike “previous albums”. Does this idiot not realize that The Astonishing was their previous album, which was full of melodic leads and very little shredding?? I really hate it when people don’t know what they’re talking about.
I'm hoping they're along the lines of Ministry of Lost Souls and Best of Times. Those are some of JP's most melodic, soaring solos IMO.
People say such ridiculous things. So according to this guy JP plays soaring, melodic leads and there isn’t as much “pointless” soloing unlike “previous albums”. Does this idiot not realize that The Astonishing was their previous album, which was full of melodic leads and very little shredding?? I really hate it when people don’t know what they’re talking about.
I'm hoping they're along the lines of Ministry of Lost Souls and Best of Times. Those are some of JP's most melodic, soaring solos IMO.
I hope there is nothing on this album that is even remotely like either of those songs, both of which are bottom 5-10 DT songs IMO.
People say such ridiculous things. So according to this guy JP plays soaring, melodic leads and there isn’t as much “pointless” soloing unlike “previous albums”. Does this idiot not realize that The Astonishing was their previous album, which was full of melodic leads and very little shredding?? I really hate it when people don’t know what they’re talking about.
I'm hoping they're along the lines of Ministry of Lost Souls and Best of Times. Those are some of JP's most melodic, soaring solos IMO.
I hope there is nothing on this album that is even remotely like either of those songs, both of which are bottom 5-10 DT songs IMO.
Those two songs rank very low for me as well. But the point was about the solos. Notwithstanding that the songs themselves may rate very low, do you not think the solos are pretty incredible? That would surprise me. Or is it just more along the lines of that, since you don't listen to the songs, you don't really have a clear recollection of the solos?
I think TMOLS is a way better song than TBOT. The TBOT does have a killer solo though.
I also really love the outro of TMOLS.
I think TMOLS is a way better song than TBOT. The TBOT does have a killer solo though.
I also really love the outro of TMOLS.
The Ministry of Lost Souls is the epitome of all the contrasting opions on DT. I think it has it all:
- People who like the song as a whole
- People who dislike the song as a whole
- People who like the main part of the song, but dislike the solo
- People who dislike the main part of the song, but like the solo
Probably the ending solo is the sole unifying factor.
Literally, the instrumental section feels so disconnected to the rest of the song, if you showed it to someone who hasn't heard the song, there's no way that person would've known it was actually a balladesque song in disguise.
No 'new album thread' is complete until there's some discussion about how TMoLS feels "disconnected", right?.. :lol
Ok, I'll play..Literally, the instrumental section feels so disconnected to the rest of the song, if you showed it to someone who hasn't heard the song, there's no way that person would've known it was actually a balladesque song in disguise.
I think that's kind of the whole point of doing it, don't you think?.. They're expert musicians, is not that they didn't know how to put that section in one song and randomly put it in there just for the sake of it.. As you mentioned, maybe they did it because there already was a long ballad in the album, and didn't wanted to do another one (even when they have very different structures and a very different vibe as well)..
But, as I've said many times, having that type of element within a song where the instrumental section seems to come from nowhere or at least it's very unexpected (thus why it feels like is from another song, which logically speaking makes no sense) is something DT did in other songs too.. Beyond this Life has it, Endless Sacrifice has it and Sacrificed Sons has it.. And, IMO, these four songs as a whole (and particularly the break-moments) are awesome just like they are, and mostly because they are like that..
I've got no one to to go the Beacon Theater show with :-( All of my DT friends have moved off of Long Island!!!
What news is there apart from a possible second track? We know the tracklisting, the album cover. It feels like an eternity since we heard the first single. And there's still 7 weeks until the release. Heck, this pre-album thread has lain dormant for 9 days, so even DTF has run out of stuff to speculate about the album. Or was it a Christmas ceasefire?This forum is like a bee hive. It gets stirred up for a while and gets swarmed with posts, and then gets all calm and dormant when the novelty of a subject wears off. I guess there's only so much to talk about.
There is a review in the new Decibel Magazine, but I'm not too fond of the review style. Everything has to be a simile, and the choices made describing certain tracks were just weird. Like - there's a Metallica-style track. So what simile is used? Enter Sandman. It's as though thats the only Metallica song the reviewer knows.
Other than that; what do you want to know about the new album?
There is a review in the new Decibel Magazine, but I'm not too fond of the review style. Everything has to be a simile, and the choices made describing certain tracks were just weird. Like - there's a Metallica-style track. So what simile is used? Enter Sandman. It's as though thats the only Metallica song the reviewer knows.
Other than that; what do you want to know about the new album?
What news is there apart from a possible second track? We know the tracklisting, the album cover. It feels like an eternity since we heard the first single. And there's still 7 weeks until the release. Heck, this pre-album thread has lain dormant for 9 days, so even DTF has run out of stuff to speculate about the album. Or was it a Christmas ceasefire?This forum is like a bee hive. It gets stirred up for a while and gets swarmed with posts, and then gets all calm and dormant when the novelty of a subject wears off. I guess there's only so much to talk about.
This is just the calm before the storm. As soon as February 22 arrives, watchout!! 🐝🐝 :omg:
Other than that; what do you want to know about the new album?
Other than that; what do you want to know about the new album?
What news is there apart from a possible second track? We know the tracklisting, the album cover. It feels like an eternity since we heard the first single. And there's still 7 weeks until the release. Heck, this pre-album thread has lain dormant for 9 days, so even DTF has run out of stuff to speculate about the album. Or was it a Christmas ceasefire?This forum is like a bee hive. It gets stirred up for a while and gets swarmed with posts, and then gets all calm and dormant when the novelty of a subject wears off. I guess there's only so much to talk about.
This is just the calm before the storm. As soon as February 22 arrives, watchout!! 🐝🐝 :omg:
I guess we're in the eye of the storm. And yep, I am bracing myself to defiantly swim against the tide as people once more flabbergast me with their criticisms.
When we will hear another single?
Despite the less-than-typical song lengths, do the new songs still have the signature sounds that DT is known for, past and present? Do the longer songs of the album still evoke an epic feel, even if they're under 10 minutes long? And do any of the songs sound like instant DT classics?
Do James’ vocals on the rest of the album have the same reverb effect like in UA? Or is it just that one song?Rest of album? No. But there's effects where they wanted the vocals to have effects. It was a creative decision, like it or not.
Do James’ vocals on the rest of the album have the same reverb effect like in UA? Or is it just that one song?Rest of album? No. But there's effects where they wanted the vocals to have effects. It was a creative decision, like it or not.
Other than that; what do you want to know about the new album?
There is a review in the new Decibel Magazine, but I'm not too fond of the review style. Everything has to be a simile, and the choices made describing certain tracks were just weird. Like - there's a Metallica-style track. So what simile is used? Enter Sandman. It's as though thats the only Metallica song the reviewer knows.
Other than that; what do you want to know about the new album?
Noxon,
1. What was your initial reaction to your first listen to the whole album?
2. How many times have you listened to the album in total?
3. How has the album grown? Is it getting better with each listen?
4. Are there any songs that could have benefited from being longer allowing more room to breath and develop?
Frank
This might be a subjective question but might be interesting nonetheless. Given that the album puts the emphasis on live feel, riffs and rocking attitude, do you still feel like the album is melodically rich and adventurous enough? That's one of the things that made The Astonishing so fantastic for me.
My first reaction was "this is fun!".
Other than that; what do you want to know about the new album?
There is a review in the new Decibel Magazine, but I'm not too fond of the review style. Everything has to be a simile, and the choices made describing certain tracks were just weird. Like - there's a Metallica-style track. So what simile is used? Enter Sandman. It's as though thats the only Metallica song the reviewer knows.
Other than that; what do you want to know about the new album?
Despite the less-than-typical song lengths, do the new songs still have the signature sounds that DT is known for, past and present? Do the longer songs of the album still evoke an epic feel, even if they're under 10 minutes long? And do any of the songs sound like instant DT classics?
I think D/T successfully manages to mix in enough of the familiar with new (for DT, not like groundbreaking stuff) stuff to keep everyone happy. It feels like a Dream Theater album through and through, focused more on the riffy and heavier side that we maybe know from albums like Awake and Train of Though, while still having a lot of prog-elements to it. The fact that they wrote the album in one sitting with the requirement that they should be able to perform it right there and then makes the album feel a lot more organic than some of the other DT albums (such as Systematic Chaos or Black Clouds). You can hear it in Untethered Angel - there's no extra rhythm guitar track covering the solos - the songs are possible to play without cheating with backing tracks.
There is a review in the new Decibel Magazine, but I'm not too fond of the review style. Everything has to be a simile, and the choices made describing certain tracks were just weird. Like - there's a Metallica-style track. So what simile is used? Enter Sandman. It's as though thats the only Metallica song the reviewer knows.
Other than that; what do you want to know about the new album?
I would very much like to read that review, but I can't find it?? Could you give a link please?
But it is "a guitar album".
There is a review in the new Decibel Magazine, but I'm not too fond of the review style. Everything has to be a simile, and the choices made describing certain tracks were just weird. Like - there's a Metallica-style track. So what simile is used? Enter Sandman. It's as though thats the only Metallica song the reviewer knows.
Other than that; what do you want to know about the new album?
I would very much like to read that review, but I can't find it?? Could you give a link please?
Search on Reddit ;)
4. No. I personally do not get obsession to have very long songs.
Turns out I've got an extra ticket for the NYC show. Fifth row and pretty well center if anybody's interested in paying cost for it.
When we will hear another single?
Soon.
When we will hear another single?
Soon.
How soon? Less than 4 weeks?
Is out of reach connected to pale blue dot in the same way WFS and LTL, FFH and BAI are?
Noxon, I'd like to know how you'd compare Mike's drum parts (playing, not the sound/tone) in DOT to with the previous MM era albums, specially DT12, which is his best, imo.I feel the drumming on D/T is inspired. It's engaging and fun - fits in with the mood. The bass and drums have to be much more active in creating diversity here as the guitar is so focused on riffs here.
So I ask you, what is in your opinion the feature of Distance Over Time that makes it different from other DT records?
When we will hear another single?
Soon.
How soon? Less than 4 weeks?
Definitely less than 7 weeks :D
Noxon, I'd like to know how you'd compare Mike's drum parts (playing, not the sound/tone) in DOT to with the previous MM era albums, specially DT12, which is his best, imo.I feel the drumming on D/T is inspired. It's engaging and fun - fits in with the mood. The bass and drums have to be much more active in creating diversity here as the guitar is so focused on riffs here.
Groovy riffs. This is a much more riff focused album than I think before.Great news then :metal Thanks noxon
Other than that; what do you want to know about the new album?
When we will hear another single?
Soon.
Turns out I've got an extra ticket for the NYC show. Fifth row and pretty well center if anybody's interested in paying cost for it.
I still don't have a ticket, but my friend is extremely likely to be coming with me so I'd be interested if he drops out, but I wouldn't know that until much closer to the date (and we are waiting to closer to buy tickets since any decent seat has been sold).
Groovy riffs. This is a much more riff focused album than I think before.
Yes, Piano and Organ are the major types of sounds used on keys.
Here's the first picture of the deluxe set! It looks awesome, but 145€ is still too much in my opinion.
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49787266_10157062938085439_1319285168736829440_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_eui2=AeHW48f_uAtj7cPLe3mkCfAH3HgRsCwTggeLr_J1cVuuTIOWMBC87pR_v6QSNmaaEAcFxJW2OH6LP03r7sflSvDBB5UvjYeaGhTK-y880DAepw&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=83eb946a11d5c5081fe9d72091c1f1f6&oe=5CC10CCE)
Source: https://www.facebook.com/InsideOutMusic/
New music on friday!!!! :caffeine:
Here's the first picture of the deluxe set! It looks awesome, but 145€ is still too much in my opinion.
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49787266_10157062938085439_1319285168736829440_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_eui2=AeHW48f_uAtj7cPLe3mkCfAH3HgRsCwTggeLr_J1cVuuTIOWMBC87pR_v6QSNmaaEAcFxJW2OH6LP03r7sflSvDBB5UvjYeaGhTK-y880DAepw&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=83eb946a11d5c5081fe9d72091c1f1f6&oe=5CC10CCE)
Source: https://www.facebook.com/InsideOutMusic/
New music on friday!!!! :caffeine:
Care to elaborate?
Btw check out the patch in the special edition, "DT 137".
(https://i.imgur.com/c1PIGlT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/c1PIGlT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/c1PIGlT.jpg)
Here's the first picture of the deluxe set! It looks awesome, but 145€ is still too much in my opinion.
(https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49787266_10157062938085439_1319285168736829440_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_eui2=AeHW48f_uAtj7cPLe3mkCfAH3HgRsCwTggeLr_J1cVuuTIOWMBC87pR_v6QSNmaaEAcFxJW2OH6LP03r7sflSvDBB5UvjYeaGhTK-y880DAepw&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=83eb946a11d5c5081fe9d72091c1f1f6&oe=5CC10CCE)
Source: https://www.facebook.com/InsideOutMusic/
So not gonna buy the deluxe one but thought about placing my order. There are 6 versions of it! WTF!
What is an artbook and what is included on the Blu-ray? Can't find any good information about this. Maybe going with the LP but artbook sounds interesting. Jewel case look and feels so cheap :D
Also in Sweden the online stores seems to have different exclusive LPs. One is red (which looks fantastic) and one is golden!
https://www.bengans.se/sv/artiklar/dream-theater-distance-over-time-ltd-bengans-red-vinyl-2lp.html
My money is on it being Paralyzed
My money is on it being Paralyzed
Apparently it isn’t :eek
So not gonna buy the deluxe one but thought about placing my order. There are 6 versions of it! WTF!
What is an artbook and what is included on the Blu-ray? Can't find any good information about this. Maybe going with the LP but artbook sounds interesting. Jewel case look and feels so cheap :D
Also in Sweden the online stores seems to have different exclusive LPs. One is red (which looks fantastic) and one is golden!
https://www.bengans.se/sv/artiklar/dream-theater-distance-over-time-ltd-bengans-red-vinyl-2lp.html
According to the blurb on Amazon, looks like the DVD and BD include the following:
Ltd. Edition Artbook (incl. 1 bonus track, 5.1 mix with video animations, instrumental mixes, high res files of the album, stems for "Untethered Angel", extended liner notes, additional artwork incl. photos from the writing session and additional video content)
I'm pretty sure the DVD and BD are ONLY available in the artbook (which itself is included in the box set), available by itself for $55.
-Marc.
So not gonna buy the deluxe one but thought about placing my order. There are 6 versions of it! WTF!
What is an artbook and what is included on the Blu-ray? Can't find any good information about this. Maybe going with the LP but artbook sounds interesting. Jewel case look and feels so cheap :D
Also in Sweden the online stores seems to have different exclusive LPs. One is red (which looks fantastic) and one is golden!
https://www.bengans.se/sv/artiklar/dream-theater-distance-over-time-ltd-bengans-red-vinyl-2lp.html
According to the blurb on Amazon, looks like the DVD and BD include the following:
Ltd. Edition Artbook (incl. 1 bonus track, 5.1 mix with video animations, instrumental mixes, high res files of the album, stems for "Untethered Angel", extended liner notes, additional artwork incl. photos from the writing session and additional video content)
I'm pretty sure the DVD and BD are ONLY available in the artbook (which itself is included in the box set), available by itself for $55.
-Marc.
Ahhh Amazon ofc. They had some nice info there. Still confused about all the versions and art book edition.
Amazon track listing for limited art edition. (not sure I need this many ways of listening to the small tracks):
Track Listings
Disc: 1
Untethered Angel
Paralyzed
Fall into the Light
Barstool Warrior
Room 137
S2N
At Wit's End
Out of Reach
Pale Blue Dot
Viper King
Disc: 2
Untethered Angel
Paralyzed
Fall into the Light
Barstool Warrior
Room 137
S2N
At Wit's End
Out of Reach
Pale Blue Dot
Viper King
Disc: 3
Untethered Angel
Paralyzed
Fall into the Light
Barstool Warrior
Room 137
S2N
At Wit's End
Out of Reach
Pale Blue Dot
Viper King
Disc: 4
Untethered Angel
Paralyzed
Fall into the Light
Barstool Warrior
Room 137
S2N
At Wit's End
Out of Reach
Pale Blue Dot
Viper King
Untethered Angel
Paralyzed
Fall into the Light
Barstool Warrior
Room 137
S2N
At Wit's End
Out of Reach
Pale Blue Dot
Viper King
My money is on it being Paralyzed
Apparently it isn’t :eek
What is your source for it not being Paralyzed?
Now this box set doesn't seem to be limited in any capacity, so I don't feel compelled to pre-order it
Now this box set doesn't seem to be limited in any capacity, so I don't feel compelled to pre-order it
The certificate in the photo says it's one of 3500 copies.
What is on the DVD?
Well, "Disc 1" is the regular CD with the bonus track, while "Disc 2" is the instrumental version of the album. "Disc 3" I believe is the DVD with the 5.1 audio with animations, while "Disc 4" is the BD with the hi-res versions of the whole album (regular and instrumental), as well as the stems for "Untethered Angel", all of which seems like it would need to be on blu-ray to fit if they wanted high quality.
Funnily enough, the Box Set listing on Amazon also lists the vinyl sides as Discs, so technically they list 10 discs (4 for the album, 2 for the 7" exclusive picture disc, which has "Pale Blue Dot" and "Viper King").
-Marc.
My money is on it being Paralyzed
Apparently it isn’t :eek
I know it is highly unlikely but I'd like it to be S2N.
What is your source for it not being Paralyzed?
Noxon hinted about it not being Paralyzed a while back.
Or you can do like me and just listen when the album is out, not before.
B.Lee
Or you can do like me and just listen when the album is out, not before.
B.Lee
I have been doing that for some years now and it's very rewarding! Haven't heard a single note from the new DT album.
Haken released 3/7 songs before Vector came out.. same label as DT so I’m guessing 3 singles pre-releaseProbably another one in the first days in the end of February? I can see this happening.
Total side comment and nothing really to do with DT specifically, but in the age of internet this by-country release of a digital media is really kind of silly. It should just be released at a specific point in time, e.g. 6pm GMT.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! >:( >:( >:(
It has been almost 7 hours since that artwork was posted! How is it that nobody has posted similar artwork from another band and complained about DT using stock images yet? You guys are off your game! smh
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! >:( >:( >:(
It has been almost 7 hours since that artwork was posted! How is it that nobody has posted similar artwork from another band and complained about DT using stock images yet? You guys are off your game! smh
Just reminding how JP describe FITL :
Let’s talk about some of that music. The first song I heard, “Fall Into the Light,” is pretty aggressive right out of the gate. The opening instrumental section is very Metallica-esque.
“Fall Into the Light” is an example of a very guitar-riff-driven song on the album. And there’s a few of them. This one actually three components. One is that opening riff, which I came up with backstage when I was on the G3 tour. I had my signature Mesa Boogie [the JP-2C] with me, I dialed in a really heavy sound and that riff came out. I took out my iPhone and I recorded it and labeled it, like, “Cool Riff in E” [laughs]. And that sparked the Metallica-esque style of the song. Then there’s some faster passages that are very riff-y and right-hand-heavy, and the third component is the mellow section in the middle, which gets sort of orchestral and very melodic. That was something that I had written in my basement on an acoustic guitar. I think I called it “Cowboy Section” because it has a Western-y vibe. So “Fall Into the Light” was a case where I brought these parts into the studio and then we put it together as a band. And it’s a really fun song to play, especially for me because it’s very riff-driven metal.
On my sixth listen already. It's like Metallica on steroids.
On my sixth listen already. It's like Metallica on steroids.
They published the riff on their FB page - so far I'm unimpressed, just a 3 note riff in minor
Since this album is riff driven, I hope the other riffs are much darker (having lot of flatted notes like flat 2nd and 5th, instead of basic minor).
They published the riff on their FB page - so far I'm unimpressed, just a 3 note riff in minor
Since this album is riff driven, I hope the other riffs are much darker (having lot of flatted notes like flat 2nd and 5th, instead of basic minor).
That's not the main riff. ;)
https://youtu.be/5XA0BmTeEjE
Hardwired To Fall Into the Light
:heart :heart. the middle part...I am melting....
I just ate. Can you not mention Vector in here, please?
I don't know why that cover makes me think of TMOLS.
What's the point of not being allowed to discuss the song before USA gets it? It's officially released in some parts and people have heard it. If it's about the USA people not wanting to get spoiled, then a separate thread could be made and they wouldn't be forcefully made to read the posts
What's the point of not being allowed to discuss the song before USA gets it? It's officially released in some parts and people have heard it. If it's about the USA people not wanting to get spoiled, then a separate thread could be made and they wouldn't be forcefully made to read the posts
What's the point of not being allowed to discuss the song before USA gets it? It's officially released in some parts and people have heard it. If it's about the USA people not wanting to get spoiled, then a separate thread could be made and they wouldn't be forcefully made to read the posts
It really pisses me off that with the internet stuff is still released by region and time. Just dump whatever it is. If it's 2AM somewhere else, so be it. Once it's released somewhere, it should be available everywhere. Releasing a single in one region of the world hours before another is not going to have any impact on album sales or profits. Seems kind of dumb. Maybe I just don't understand it.
even if not released in USA on streaming services until tomorrow why can't InsideOut (allow the band to) just release a lyric video on youtube for everyone to hear at the same time?
I definitely think it has the undesired effect of egging people on to get a hold of the music through unsavory ways. The DT Reddit sub is littered with "please PM me the track" requests to people in Australia.
InsideOut is a record company, what did you expect? It's what record companies do. They annoy people.
And I can't wait to hear it live THAT FUCKING MIDDLE SECTION in the concert.
but geez, in this case, it's just a few hours. We'll have the rest of our lives to listen to the album. What a few hours or a day of difference really make? like those people lining up at midnight to buy a new book from a store, I don't get it. Maybe it's the social aspect of it, it's a meet up with other fans of something you like, but you have the rest of your life to read and re-read the book, what's a day of difference?
InsideOut is a record company, what did you expect? It's what record companies do. They annoy people.
Fair enough, but how are they maximizing the exposure of the band by the releases coming at midnight?
InsideOut is a record company, what did you expect? It's what record companies do. They annoy people.
Fair enough, but how are they maximizing the exposure of the band by the releases coming at midnight?
Because midnight is the start of a new day. And you can wait until morning to hear it if you want. It's not like we all have to gather at our local record store at midnight to pick up a CD single.
And on IO, they've made some questionable decisions since they became part of Sony (and hence The Music Industry™). The first of those arguably being giving away their independence and becoming part of The Machine, whose industry progressive rock should be railing against, not making alliances with. Smash the system!
If they want to keep the regional idea going, at least release it at noon or something regionally so most people are awake and aware of the release so they can watch it quicker.
If they want to keep the regional idea going, at least release it at noon or something regionally so most people are awake and aware of the release so they can watch it quicker.
Yeah, then people will just start hounding the Australians at 8 pm EST instead of 8 am EST
I REALLY don't think that is as much of a problem as you think it is :P
No probably not, but can't the release be improved?
Last warning. Any further discussion before official release EST in about 7 hours will result in banning from the forum.
I REALLY don't think that is as much of a problem as you think it is :P
No probably not, but can't the release be improved? I'll admit my own annoyance of having to wait until midnight is making me want to argue for something better, but I think I listed some reasoning to show this can be better unless someone can explain why releasing at midnight is best for the band that makes more sense. I'm open ears.
No probably not, but can't the release be improved?
I recommended to them that they release the next one on 45 only. You all can go down to the record store and pick it up on release day. Problem solved! :D
They said they would think about it.
I REALLY don't think that is as much of a problem as you think it is :P
No probably not, but can't the release be improved? I'll admit my own annoyance of having to wait until midnight is making me want to argue for something better, but I think I listed some reasoning to show this can be better unless someone can explain why releasing at midnight is best for the band that makes more sense. I'm open ears.
Releasing it at midnight instead of 8 AM gives the band 8 more hours worth of streaming revenues.
If they want to keep the regional idea going, at least release it at noon or something regionally so most people are awake and aware of the release so they can watch it quicker.
Yeah, then people will just start hounding the Australians at 8 pm EST instead of 8 am EST
I didn't think it would resolve that problem, but I look at it this way:
What time are most people awake?
What time are most people able to watch or listen to a new song/music video?
What time for a release is going to give the song the best chance of getting the most eyes and ears on it immediately?
I don't think the answer is at midnight.
For us hardcore fans, whatever, we will listen the first chance we can, but the casual fan is the one who needs to be bought over by this. The casual fan is not staying up to listen and the casual fan may forgot by the next morning to even check it out. Sure the band will send out more reminders, but in this day and age, it really helps to get best initial rush as possible so it has the best chance of trending in a world where media quickly fades if it isn't caught on by it's target audience fast.
I REALLY don't think that is as much of a problem as you think it is :P
No probably not, but can't the release be improved? I'll admit my own annoyance of having to wait until midnight is making me want to argue for something better, but I think I listed some reasoning to show this can be better unless someone can explain why releasing at midnight is best for the band that makes more sense. I'm open ears.
Releasing it at midnight instead of 8 AM gives the band 8 more hours worth of streaming revenues.
Then why didn't they release it two days ago?
Albums and Singles have an initial standardized roll-out at midnight on Friday in every timezone, with supplementary things being dropped in the following week or two. These include things like lyric videos, music videos, vertical videos (which seems to be a trend now), etc. It'll show up in Spotify notifications for certain people too later in the day, and the label will typically also show support for it. Only about 1%, if that, of the people who hear the song for the first time will listen to it around midnight when it immediately drops. Everyone else will hear it throughout the week.
I didnt think I was blowing things out of proportion nor meant to although I posted a bunch about mostly because I just want to hear the song.Albums and Singles have an initial standardized roll-out at midnight on Friday in every timezone, with supplementary things being dropped in the following week or two. These include things like lyric videos, music videos, vertical videos (which seems to be a trend now), etc. It'll show up in Spotify notifications for certain people too later in the day, and the label will typically also show support for it. Only about 1%, if that, of the people who hear the song for the first time will listen to it around midnight when it immediately drops. Everyone else will hear it throughout the week.
If that's the standard, I can't fault the band for doing that. I guess I haven't followed bands close enough to want to wait until midnight to listen to the new song, I just think things could be done better regardless of industry standard.
I've listened to UA and FITL back to back ten times now, and I have to say that noxon is correct in that UA will sound different when listened with other songs from the album. The songs have a Moment of Betrayal vibe, but when I listened to MoB with the two songs, the D/T songs still felt different. The D/T songs have a different level of energy, and if this indicates the vibe of the entire album, I wouldn't mind if this is played entirely in the coming tour.
Is it safe to discuss the song now? :tiojorge:
It's available on streaming services right now.Is it safe to discuss the song now? :tiojorge:
I would think so. Only like 15 min left.
The only part that drags it down for me is coming out of that middle section, the JR part feels out of place or rather forced...it doesn’t add anything for me and feels like he choose a random keyboard sound and noodled over it just so he had a part.
For me what made albums like I&W so magical was the brilliant individual sections working together to create an amazing song but I don't get that feeling with these songs.
My first impression is that it doesn't sound much like any other DT song I can think of.
:tdwn Another VERY uninspired song :facepalm: This song could be straight from The Astonishing(ly boring album). Aside from the awesome middle section (by JP & JR), this song is another loser. Two for two bad ones so far. My hopes have faded. >:(
I agree, but I think that's a really good thing. Hard to sound fresh after 14 albums, but this song is doing it. I love the overall sound and production. Untethered Angel was more "meh" for me, but I'm really impressed with this one.
:tdwn Another VERY uninspired song :facepalm: This song could be straight from The Astonishing(ly boring album). Aside from the awesome middle section (by JP & JR), this song is another loser. Two for two bad ones so far. My hopes have faded. >:(
I'm truly sorry to hear that.
I love the overall sound and production. Untethered Angel was more "meh" for me, but I'm really impressed with this one.
:tdwn Another VERY uninspired song :facepalm: This song could be straight from The Astonishing(ly boring album). Aside from the awesome middle section (by JP & JR), this song is another loser. Two for two bad ones so far. My hopes have faded. >:(
I'm truly sorry to hear that.
At the same time, ever since MP left, I don't think I've ever seen As I Am say a single positive thing about the band. So, that one's not a surprise.
B.Lee
I love the overall sound and production. Untethered Angel was more "meh" for me, but I'm really impressed with this one.
Since I don't like the song (or UA either) can you elaborate on what impressed YOU about this new song? I mean, aside from JP and JR to a lesser extent, the lyrics are weak, the vocals are completely uninspired, there's no melody at all and to me just seems like a run of the mill DT song from any of the last few cd's.
:tdwn Another VERY uninspired song :facepalm: This song could be straight from The Astonishing(ly boring album). Aside from the awesome middle section (by JP & JR), this song is another loser. Two for two bad ones so far. My hopes have faded. >:(
Learning to Live and Scarred is so much more disjointed than this song but nobody's complaining because they are "classic."Funny you should mentioned those - two of my favorite tracks right there! Scarred especially. I don't hear it as disjointed, I think it's really cleverly structured with crescendos (i.e. 2:07) to move forward/changing and recurring themes going back and forth.
Learning to Live and Scarred is so much more disjointed than this song but nobody's complaining because they are "classic."Funny you should mentioned those - two of my favorite tracks right there! Scarred especially. I don't hear it as disjointed, I think it's really cleverly structured with crescendos (i.e. 2:07) to move forward/changing and recurring themes going back and forth.
Learning to Live and Scarred is so much more disjointed than this song but nobody's complaining because they are "classic."
The drums are a bit too busy in the opening riff, imo.
Yes, it doesn't feel as fast paced and makes the riff stand out more and sound heavier. After the first 15seconds it sounds much more fitting but the opening part not so much.The drums are a bit too busy in the opening riff, imo.
But Mike Portnoy in The Mirror is ok?
The outro ! :omg: Is this longest DT drum fill ever? Almost 8 seconds!
Personally, I don't know how this can be conceived as uninspired, but hey, each of us has things we want to hear from Dream Theater's music, and personally, I am pleasantly surprised with what I heard.
The middle part kind of reminds me of Metallica Unforgiven, which is not a complaint at all. Its a cool sound.
Anyone else cringed at 4:00 section because of parallel octaves between lead guitar and acoustic? :( :( :( How could educated musicians make such a big harmony related mistake?
Anyone else cringed at 4:00 section because of parallel octaves between lead guitar and acoustic? :( :( :( How could educated musicians make such a big harmony related mistake?
Anyone else cringed at 4:00 section because of parallel octaves between lead guitar and acoustic? :( :( :( How could educated musicians make such a big harmony related mistake?
I love The Astonishing, but FITTL is heavier than that entire album, and that's a good thing. I love this new track! It will slay live.
The lyrics have a very poetic Myung feel. Does anyone know if he did lyrics here?
Anyone else cringed at 4:00 section because of parallel octaves between lead guitar and acoustic? :( :( :( How could educated musicians make such a big harmony related mistake?
Didn't they drop out from Berklee? :P
The lyrics have a very poetic Myung feel. Does anyone know if he did lyrics here?
If I recall correctly, yes he did.
I'll try to explain it easily. When you have two voices playing perfect consonances (fourth, fifth, octave or any of these displaced by octave(s)) in parallel motion, the supposed-to-be different voices sound dependent to each other. To a (educated) musician, it's very obvious when you hear it, but it would probably also sound better to you if there was a ''correctly written'' version for you to compare. That is an example of a bad voice leading (voice leading - progression of individual melodic lines and their interaction to create harmonies) because the voices are not progressing individually; it basically ''kills'' the purpose of the second voice (acoustic guitar in this case). Reason for this dependence lies in acoustics - octave is the 1st overtone of fundamental note, fifth is 2nd (and fourth is just inversion of fifth), so they are very closely related to the fundamental.Anyone else cringed at 4:00 section because of parallel octaves between lead guitar and acoustic? :( :( :( How could educated musicians make such a big harmony related mistake?why do you "cringe" at 4:00? What's so wrong? What do you think they should have done differently?
It's not the point of making it more difficult, they could've actually made the acoustic guitar play just chords instead of the melody and it would've fitted better. You would fail a harmony exam if you wrote a voice leading like this. For the rest of the answer, refer to my answer to the previous question in this comment
Do you mean that they should've made the harmony more "difficult" just because they have the knowledge on how to do it?
I'll try to explain it easily. When you have two voices playing perfect consonances (fourth, fifth, octave or any of these displaced by octave(s)) in parallel motion, the supposed-to-be different voices sound dependent to each other. To a (educated) musician, it's very obvious when you hear it, but it would probably also sound better to you if there was a ''correctly written'' version for you to compare. That is an example of a bad voice leading (voice leading - progression of individual melodic lines and their interaction to create harmonies) because the voices are not progressing individually; it basically ''kills'' the purpose of the second voice (acoustic guitar in this case). Reason for this dependence lies in acoustics - octave is the 1st overtone of fundamental note, fifth is 2nd (and fourth is just inversion of fifth), so they are very closely related to the fundamental.Anyone else cringed at 4:00 section because of parallel octaves between lead guitar and acoustic? :( :( :( How could educated musicians make such a big harmony related mistake?why do you "cringe" at 4:00? What's so wrong? What do you think they should have done differently?
Sometimes, these consecutive perfect intervals are created on purpose (like power chords, or unisons between keyboard and guitar in many DT solos) but in these cases, these either aren't really two different voices (power chords), or it's written like that on purpose to create a specific tension that needs to be resolved (like jumping from unison to tritone interval between keyboard, guitar and bass in Octavarium (at 17:00)). In this case, however, we're having just a normal song so consecutive octaves are completely unjustified (since some people said they did it on purpose). It would be just like a song like spirit carries on stops before chorus, JLB farts into the microphone, and the song continues. They wouldn't do it on purpose because it's not in the spirit of the song. This time, however, I'm sure it slipped unintentionally.It's not the point of making it more difficult, they could've actually made the acoustic guitar play just chords instead of the melody and it would've fitted better. You would fail a harmony exam if you wrote a voice leading like this. For the rest of the answer, refer to my answer to the previous question in this comment
Do you mean that they should've made the harmony more "difficult" just because they have the knowledge on how to do it?
I'll try to explain it easily. When you have two voices playing perfect consonances (fourth, fifth, octave or any of these displaced by octave(s)) in parallel motion, the supposed-to-be different voices sound dependent to each other. To a (educated) musician, it's very obvious when you hear it, but it would probably also sound better to you if there was a ''correctly written'' version for you to compare. That is an example of a bad voice leading (voice leading - progression of individual melodic lines and their interaction to create harmonies) because the voices are not progressing individually; it basically ''kills'' the purpose of the second voice (acoustic guitar in this case). Reason for this dependence lies in acoustics - octave is the 1st overtone of fundamental note, fifth is 2nd (and fourth is just inversion of fifth), so they are very closely related to the fundamental.Anyone else cringed at 4:00 section because of parallel octaves between lead guitar and acoustic? :( :( :( How could educated musicians make such a big harmony related mistake?why do you "cringe" at 4:00? What's so wrong? What do you think they should have done differently?
Sometimes, these consecutive perfect intervals are created on purpose (like power chords, or unisons between keyboard and guitar in many DT solos) but in these cases, these either aren't really two different voices (power chords), or it's written like that on purpose to create a specific tension that needs to be resolved (like jumping from unison to tritone interval between keyboard, guitar and bass in Octavarium (at 17:00)). In this case, however, we're having just a normal song so consecutive octaves are completely unjustified (since some people said they did it on purpose). It would be just like a song like spirit carries on stops before chorus, JLB farts into the microphone, and the song continues. They wouldn't do it on purpose because it's not in the spirit of the song. This time, however, I'm sure it slipped unintentionally.It's not the point of making it more difficult, they could've actually made the acoustic guitar play just chords instead of the melody and it would've fitted better. You would fail a harmony exam if you wrote a voice leading like this. For the rest of the answer, refer to my answer to the previous question in this comment
Do you mean that they should've made the harmony more "difficult" just because they have the knowledge on how to do it?
Besides, this track being firmly rooted in Metallica land is basically emulating some of the stuff Metallica often does - and that "solo doubling the acoustic guitar" thing is right out of that book.
Which Metallica themselves stole from Ennio Morricone ;)
I'll try to explain it easily. When you have two voices playing perfect consonances (fourth, fifth, octave or any of these displaced by octave(s)) in parallel motion, the supposed-to-be different voices sound dependent to each other. To a (educated) musician, it's very obvious when you hear it, but it would probably also sound better to you if there was a ''correctly written'' version for you to compare. That is an example of a bad voice leading (voice leading - progression of individual melodic lines and their interaction to create harmonies) because the voices are not progressing individually; it basically ''kills'' the purpose of the second voice (acoustic guitar in this case). Reason for this dependence lies in acoustics - octave is the 1st overtone of fundamental note, fifth is 2nd (and fourth is just inversion of fifth), so they are very closely related to the fundamental.Anyone else cringed at 4:00 section because of parallel octaves between lead guitar and acoustic? :( :( :( How could educated musicians make such a big harmony related mistake?why do you "cringe" at 4:00? What's so wrong? What do you think they should have done differently?
Sometimes, these consecutive perfect intervals are created on purpose (like power chords, or unisons between keyboard and guitar in many DT solos) but in these cases, these either aren't really two different voices (power chords), or it's written like that on purpose to create a specific tension that needs to be resolved (like jumping from unison to tritone interval between keyboard, guitar and bass in Octavarium (at 17:00)). In this case, however, we're having just a normal song so consecutive octaves are completely unjustified (since some people said they did it on purpose). It would be just like a song like spirit carries on stops before chorus, JLB farts into the microphone, and the song continues. They wouldn't do it on purpose because it's not in the spirit of the song. This time, however, I'm sure it slipped unintentionally.It's not the point of making it more difficult, they could've actually made the acoustic guitar play just chords instead of the melody and it would've fitted better. You would fail a harmony exam if you wrote a voice leading like this. For the rest of the answer, refer to my answer to the previous question in this comment
Do you mean that they should've made the harmony more "difficult" just because they have the knowledge on how to do it?
You know, if one needs to compare with a "correctly written version" to find an "error" in a song, it doesn't seem like a problem at all.
I've listened to this section quite a few times now, and can't hear something that strikes me as "wrong". (And while I'm not an educated musician, I have played music for about 20 years, and have perfect pitch, so I usually can spot things that sound as an actual mistake.)
I wonder if you'd have spotted this if you weren't educated. If not, it seems that education in this case has a negative effect on actually enjoying music for what it is.
(After all, DT's main goal here is to create music that's enjoyable for themselves and their fans, not to win a harmony contest)
Anyone else cringed at 4:00 section because of parallel octaves between lead guitar and acoustic? :( :( :( How could educated musicians make such a big harmony related mistake?
Didn't they drop out from Berklee? :P
I have a feeling they knew exactly what they were doing in that section, and every other section. I didn't think anything special there, went back and had another listen now, I have no issues with it. Just out of curiosity, because I don't have a degree in music theory and don't know these things - why do you "cringe" at 4:00? What's so wrong? What do you think they should have done differently?
I'll try to explain it easily. When you have two voices playing perfect consonances (fourth, fifth, octave or any of these displaced by octave(s)) in parallel motion, the supposed-to-be different voices sound dependent to each other. To a (educated) musician, it's very obvious when you hear it, but it would probably also sound better to you if there was a ''correctly written'' version for you to compare. That is an example of a bad voice leading (voice leading - progression of individual melodic lines and their interaction to create harmonies) because the voices are not progressing individually; it basically ''kills'' the purpose of the second voice (acoustic guitar in this case). Reason for this dependence lies in acoustics - octave is the 1st overtone of fundamental note, fifth is 2nd (and fourth is just inversion of fifth), so they are very closely related to the fundamental.Anyone else cringed at 4:00 section because of parallel octaves between lead guitar and acoustic? :( :( :( How could educated musicians make such a big harmony related mistake?why do you "cringe" at 4:00? What's so wrong? What do you think they should have done differently?
Sometimes, these consecutive perfect intervals are created on purpose (like power chords, or unisons between keyboard and guitar in many DT solos) but in these cases, these either aren't really two different voices (power chords), or it's written like that on purpose to create a specific tension that needs to be resolved (like jumping from unison to tritone interval between keyboard, guitar and bass in Octavarium (at 17:00)). In this case, however, we're having just a normal song so consecutive octaves are completely unjustified (since some people said they did it on purpose). It would be just like a song like spirit carries on stops before chorus, JLB farts into the microphone, and the song continues. They wouldn't do it on purpose because it's not in the spirit of the song. This time, however, I'm sure it slipped unintentionally.It's not the point of making it more difficult, they could've actually made the acoustic guitar play just chords instead of the melody and it would've fitted better. You would fail a harmony exam if you wrote a voice leading like this. For the rest of the answer, refer to my answer to the previous question in this comment
Do you mean that they should've made the harmony more "difficult" just because they have the knowledge on how to do it?
You know, if one needs to compare with a "correctly written version" to find an "error" in a song, it doesn't seem like a problem at all.
I've listened to this section quite a few times now, and can't hear something that strikes me as "wrong". (And while I'm not an educated musician, I have played music for about 20 years, and have perfect pitch, so I usually can spot things that sound as an actual mistake.)
I wonder if you'd have spotted this if you weren't educated. If not, it seems that education in this case has a negative effect on actually enjoying music for what it is.
(After all, DT's main goal here is to create music that's enjoyable for themselves and their fans, not to win a harmony contest)
:tdwn Another VERY uninspired song :facepalm: This song could be straight from The Astonishing(ly boring album). Aside from the awesome middle section (by JP & JR), this song is another loser. Two for two bad ones so far. My hopes have faded. >:(
Here's the link to the official animated video for the song;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFxH4kky6z4
I'll try to explain it easily. When you have two voices playing perfect consonances (fourth, fifth, octave or any of these displaced by octave(s)) in parallel motion, the supposed-to-be different voices sound dependent to each other. To a (educated) musician, it's very obvious when you hear it, but it would probably also sound better to you if there was a ''correctly written'' version for you to compare. That is an example of a bad voice leading (voice leading - progression of individual melodic lines and their interaction to create harmonies) because the voices are not progressing individually; it basically ''kills'' the purpose of the second voice (acoustic guitar in this case). Reason for this dependence lies in acoustics - octave is the 1st overtone of fundamental note, fifth is 2nd (and fourth is just inversion of fifth), so they are very closely related to the fundamental.It's an orchestration trick, not a harmonic mistake. The solo guitar is simply playing a slighty altered version of the acoustic part. The purpose of the lead voice is to add a different tone to the one that was already here, and to build into the "solo" that comes after that part. You might consider it's a cheap trick, but there is no mistake here, and it's pretty obvious that it is done on purpose.
Sometimes, these consecutive perfect intervals are created on purpose (like power chords, or unisons between keyboard and guitar in many DT solos) but in these cases, these either aren't really two different voices (power chords), or it's written like that on purpose to create a specific tension that needs to be resolved (like jumping from unison to tritone interval between keyboard, guitar and bass in Octavarium (at 17:00)). In this case, however, we're having just a normal song so consecutive octaves are completely unjustified (since some people said they did it on purpose). It would be just like a song like spirit carries on stops before chorus, JLB farts into the microphone, and the song continues. They wouldn't do it on purpose because it's not in the spirit of the song. This time, however, I'm sure it slipped unintentionally.
Am I the only one that hear "the best of times" vibes on the chorus?
When LaBrie sings "Too much love is not enough for us...I was once too blind to see" I remember something like "...The fleeting winds of time...Flying through each day...All the things I should have done...But time just slipped away" ;)
Am I the only one that hear "the best of times" vibes on the chorus?
When LaBrie sings "Too much love is not enough for us...I was once too blind to see" I remember something like "...The fleeting winds of time...Flying through each day...All the things I should have done...But time just slipped away" ;D
:tdwn Another VERY uninspired song :facepalm: This song could be straight from The Astonishing(ly boring album). Aside from the awesome middle section (by JP & JR), this song is another loser. Two for two bad ones so far. My hopes have faded. >:(
Probably. It's not even mildly entertaining so I don't know how you can see the similarities.
Probably. It's not even mildly entertaining so I don't know how you can see the similarities.
I see it. Capitalization for emphasis, parentheses, and the word "loser", though not directly calling anyone a loser.
All it's missing is a typo or two, or an uninspired nickname like "Machine Mike"
I don't feel Myungs lyrics lend themselves to the more aggressive style of DT's music.
Anyone else cringed at 4:00 section because of parallel octaves between lead guitar and acoustic? :( :( :( How could educated musicians make such a big harmony related mistake?
Anyone else cringed at 4:00 section because of parallel octaves between lead guitar and acoustic? :( :( :( How could educated musicians make such a big harmony related mistake?
I'm a classically trained musician and my answer is no. I wouldn't describe it as a mistake either, since it's so obviously intentional for arrangement purposes. What's going on here is something called heterophony, where there are 2+ variations of the same melodic line playing at the same time. This section isn't trying to be polyphonic at all, and it's not fair to the music to try to judge it on something it's not even trying to do. This fits the style of the section, which is drawing from Metallica and Ennio Morricone (as noxon mentioned), who frequently did this very same thing.
Another thing: parallelisms are only "mistakes" in certain contexts, most of them academic. Parallel 5ths/8ths/Unisons in a Fugue or section of counterpoint would be a gigantic no-no because it weakens the independence of the individual lines. But in a section that's not striving for incredibly complex counterpoint, parallelisms are not causing any problem. Even in sections of counterpoint, parallelisms can be acceptable (and *gasp* even Bach, the undisputed master of counterpoint, did them sometimes!) so long as they don't weaken the independence of the individual lines. Parallels are a tool that can be used. Beethoven used Parallel 5ths in his Pastoral Symphony to conjure up a feeling of rustic folksiness, and the Romantics used Parallel Octaves to make a melodic line thicker and more important so much it's almost a cliche (a wonderful, wonderful cliche). Furthermore, in certain harmonic techniques like planing and parallel motion, parallelisms are not only allowed, they're almost required.
Music theory isn't a set of rules, as your basic theory classes may make you believe. It's more a set of guidelines to achieving a certain sound, and it varies from genre to genre. The theory for jazz, for instance, has a lot of things that would not apply in a classical setting, and vice-versa. Hell, even different periods of classical music have different sets of guidelines to achieve certain sounds. An Alberti Bass would sound really out of place in a Baroque, Romantic, or Modernist piece, and tone clusters would not work in a Bach-esque Prelude or a clean-cut classical sonata. Music theory describes the techniques being used to create a song so that it can be prescribed to create something similar in that style, or to allow performers to have a better time interpreting a piece. It's not the "rules of music" as you so clearly believe.
Anyone else cringed at 4:00 section because of parallel octaves between lead guitar and acoustic? :( :( :( How could educated musicians make such a big harmony related mistake?
*snip* fantastic rebuttal
Two thumbs up for me. Can't wait to see it live.
Is it just me or anybody waits some melodic vocals from James in the middle section. I was like "Come on, where is James?" :lol It would be truly magical but as it is it's still great. :metal
Wild speculation: JR will play guitar live during that multilayered guitar section.
I transcribed the guitar parts: https://youtu.be/yIWrgrE0FCM
I know some are having issues with the effects being used on JLB's voice, but I am guessing they need to do a fair amount of studio magic with it more often than not to get it to sound how they want it to.
Downloaded it from iTunes first thing morning, threw it my phone, and then listened to it on the way to work and then again a few minutes ago on the ear buds while doing some paper work at my desk.
I can't decided what I think about it yet. There is a lot to like, but not sure how cohesive it is, and none of the vocal melodies stuck with me (sitting here, I cannot remember any of them). I know some are having issues with the effects being used on JLB's voice, but I am guessing they need to do a fair amount of studio magic with it more often than not to get it to sound how they want it to.
More listens to come...
:tdwn Another VERY uninspired song :facepalm: This song could be straight from The Astonishing(ly boring album). Aside from the awesome middle section (by JP & JR), this song is another loser. Two for two bad ones so far. My hopes have faded. >:(Trump is that you?
:tdwn Another VERY uninspired song :facepalm: This song could be straight from The Astonishing(ly boring album). Aside from the awesome middle section (by JP & JR), this song is another loser. Two for two bad ones so far. My hopes have faded. >:(
Am I the only one that thinks this post reads like a Donald Trump tweet?
Downloaded it from iTunes first thing morning, threw it my phone, and then listened to it on the way to work and then again a few minutes ago on the ear buds while doing some paper work at my desk.
I can't decided what I think about it yet. There is a lot to like, but not sure how cohesive it is, and none of the vocal melodies stuck with me (sitting here, I cannot remember any of them). I know some are having issues with the effects being used on JLB's voice, but I am guessing they need to do a fair amount of studio magic with it more often than not to get it to sound how they want it to.
More listens to come...
I pre ordered the album when Un Tethered Angel came out, I wonder why this song didn't download automatically for me on Amazon Music, I see it available to buy. Anyhow great song!
I know some are having issues with the effects being used on JLB's voice, but I am guessing they need to do a fair amount of studio magic with it more often than not to get it to sound how they want it to.
I don't think so. The vocals were relatively clean (effects-wise) on the last three albums and sounded just fine. It reminds me a lot of the effects used in parts of Beyond This Life. It didn't bother me then, and doesn't bother me know. If it's me mixing the album, I think I would have gone for the effects-free approach of the last three albums. But, again, it's not that big a deal. I obviously didn't get to record and mix the album, and I'm not going to waste time critiquing the album I might wish they made rather than enjoying the album they did make.
I know some are having issues with the effects being used on JLB's voice, but I am guessing they need to do a fair amount of studio magic with it more often than not to get it to sound how they want it to.
I don't think so. The vocals were relatively clean (effects-wise) on the last three albums and sounded just fine. It reminds me a lot of the effects used in parts of Beyond This Life. It didn't bother me then, and doesn't bother me know. If it's me mixing the album, I think I would have gone for the effects-free approach of the last three albums. But, again, it's not that big a deal. I obviously didn't get to record and mix the album, and I'm not going to waste time critiquing the album I might wish they made rather than enjoying the album they did make.
I don't want to cause a whole big debate about the current state of JLB's voice, but for now I will just say that I do not think we can assume his voice is in the same shape it was when recording the last three albums. He is older now and his voice seemed to take a beating on the last tour, and sometimes your voice just never returns to being what it was, even a few months prior (similar to Stevie Nicks' voice never being the same after she abused it on a solo tour in the early 80's).
I know some are having issues with the effects being used on JLB's voice, but I am guessing they need to do a fair amount of studio magic with it more often than not to get it to sound how they want it to.
I don't think so. The vocals were relatively clean (effects-wise) on the last three albums and sounded just fine. It reminds me a lot of the effects used in parts of Beyond This Life. It didn't bother me then, and doesn't bother me know. If it's me mixing the album, I think I would have gone for the effects-free approach of the last three albums. But, again, it's not that big a deal. I obviously didn't get to record and mix the album, and I'm not going to waste time critiquing the album I might wish they made rather than enjoying the album they did make.
I don't want to cause a whole big debate about the current state of JLB's voice, but for now I will just say that I do not think we can assume his voice is in the same shape it was when recording the last three albums. He is older now and his voice seemed to take a beating on the last tour, and sometimes your voice just never returns to being what it was, even a few months prior (similar to Stevie Nicks' voice never being the same after she abused it on a solo tour in the early 80's).
Is it just me or anybody waits some melodic vocals from James in the middle section. I was like "Come on, where is James?" :lol It would be truly magical but as it is it's still great. :metal
I know some are having issues with the effects being used on JLB's voice, but I am guessing they need to do a fair amount of studio magic with it more often than not to get it to sound how they want it to.
I don't think so. The vocals were relatively clean (effects-wise) on the last three albums and sounded just fine. It reminds me a lot of the effects used in parts of Beyond This Life. It didn't bother me then, and doesn't bother me know. If it's me mixing the album, I think I would have gone for the effects-free approach of the last three albums. But, again, it's not that big a deal. I obviously didn't get to record and mix the album, and I'm not going to waste time critiquing the album I might wish they made rather than enjoying the album they did make.
I don't want to cause a whole big debate about the current state of JLB's voice, but for now I will just say that I do not think we can assume his voice is in the same shape it was when recording the last three albums. He is older now and his voice seemed to take a beating on the last tour, and sometimes your voice just never returns to being what it was, even a few months prior (similar to Stevie Nicks' voice never being the same after she abused it on a solo tour in the early 80's).
I feel you, but the types of effects being used on his voice aren't ones that are used to cover up bad performances. They sound like they are washed in chorus and the EQ seems weird, almost like there is a frequency in the low mids that needed cut but didn't get cut and it's muddying up some articulation and definition. Non of that points to a performance issue.
Pros:
-How melodic and tuneful the whole song is while still being super heavy
Downloaded it from iTunes first thing morning, threw it my phone, and then listened to it on the way to work and then again a few minutes ago on the ear buds while doing some paper work at my desk.
I can't decided what I think about it yet. There is a lot to like, but not sure how cohesive it is, and none of the vocal melodies stuck with me (sitting here, I cannot remember any of them). I know some are having issues with the effects being used on JLB's voice, but I am guessing they need to do a fair amount of studio magic with it more often than not to get it to sound how they want it to.
More listens to come...
I pre ordered the album when Un Tethered Angel came out, I wonder why this song didn't download automatically for me on Amazon Music, I see it available to buy. Anyhow great song!
:tdwn Another VERY uninspired song :facepalm: This song could be straight from The Astonishing(ly boring album). Aside from the awesome middle section (by JP & JR), this song is another loser. Two for two bad ones so far. My hopes have faded. >:(Trump is that you?
:lol
*EDIT*:tdwn Another VERY uninspired song :facepalm: This song could be straight from The Astonishing(ly boring album). Aside from the awesome middle section (by JP & JR), this song is another loser. Two for two bad ones so far. My hopes have faded. >:(
Am I the only one that thinks this post reads like a Donald Trump tweet?
Damn, didn't see this post. :facepalm:
In addition to the James' current voice, even though there are effects on his voice I think UA and FITL are singer friendly songs when it comes to performe live like Breaking All Illusions. He always nails it live.
What bothers me much is not the effect but the mix. Even bass mix is great... Well.
Cons
- Eric Gillette and MP didn't get enough writing credit on early reviews
Cons
- Eric Gillette and MP didn't get enough writing credit on early reviews
Pros
-Great Riff-Melodic-Amazing Drums
-Amazing Bass
-Metallica vibe (That is a pro???) :facepalm:
-Great keyboard sound
Wild speculation: JR will play guitar live during that multilayered guitar section.Much as I like the idea, no way is that gonna happen. In preparing for their tour back in 1994, the band worked up a version of Lie where DS played rhythm guitar at least part of the time, and JP ultimately nixed that idea. Then there was the intro to TCoT that would've been the perfect opportunity for JR to accompany JP on second guitar, and instead JP played along to a tape. So I can't see that changing at this late date - if JR was ever going to play rhythm/second guitar live, it would've happened already.
While this is my first post, I've been following the forum for years. I was not registered and did not post anything for a number of reasons, including a lack of comfort in writing in English (sorry for the mistakes), because it is not my first language. But I think the time has come.
I thought a brief introduction was necessary. :D
I had no great expectation about this song, as it was described as heavy, and I do not usually like heavy DT songs (e.g. Just Let Me Breathe, Lie, TDEN, ANTR, TOT, etc). But I was completely wrong! FITL is heavy, but it does not seem to have the need to be dark, like ANTR. I do not know how to explain.
When I heard it for the first time, I gave a big smile of satisfaction, because it was so much fun listening to it, right from the first impression. The last time it happened that way was with BAI and Octavarium before. Fantastic!
In a way, FITL sounds unique to me. Great song!
Wild speculation: JR will play guitar live during that multilayered guitar section.Then there was the intro to TCoT that would've been the perfect opportunity for JR to accompany JP on second guitar, and instead JP played along to a tape.
Going back to JP coming up with the main riffs during the G3 tour and what I said above, give a listen to the first few songs in his set. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiCpXe8KQjk From a guitar perspective, Fall Into the Light fits right in with the types of dark, heaving riffing from his version of Wrath of the Amazons, and these performances of Jaws of Life and Damage Control.My first G3 and first rock show without a singer. I was wondering how I would like it..JP totally hooked me. The heaviness of DT is one of the main things I love and JP was heavy. I cheered so hard I got a nod from him!. :metal FitL is so guitar good, I don't really mind that the lyrics aren't showcased that much. ( I hope they are in other songs though, because that is another big draw for me to DT)
I know Geeeemo saw that tour as well. I suspect she will agree with this sentiment.
similar to Stevie Nicks' voice never being the same after she abused iton a solo tour in the early 80'sdoing a mountain worth of coke in her life).
I would say that of the two released songs James is easily the least impressive/most forgettable. I'm okay with considering he really slayed The Astonishing and that was so melodic. Not knocking his performance, just accepting that his presence so far has not been so upfront.
I would say that of the two released songs James is easily the least impressive/most forgettable.
I would say that of the two released songs James is easily the least impressive/most forgettable.
I would definitely agree with this, but this has been an issue for a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG time!
On another note, on the quick snare drum rolls during the transitions in FITL, how does MM do those cymbal accents given the high placement of his cymbals in the kit? Is it too much to expect that he is doing a one handed snare roll? :LOL
I would say that of the two released songs James is easily the least impressive/most forgettable.
I would definitely agree with this, but this has been an issue for a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG time!
I would say that of the two released songs James is easily the least impressive/most forgettable.
I would definitely agree with this, but this has been an issue for a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG time!
Really? Because I thought the general consensus was that he was outstanding on the previous album.
Yea I think there's lots of people who would love a video of a tour when they can't make it for whatever reason. What is interesting though, for me in NJ I see tickets for the show at $25. I think that's the cheapest I've seen DT tickets for a theater. Might be different for other areas (I know NYC prices are not near that low for example) but at least I was able to find a very affordable ticket to see DT.
With the 1st and 3rd songs now out, what would the 4-minute 2nd song Paralyzed sound like?
Having too much time in my hands, I tried to play some short DT songs in between UA and FITL to hear what would fit in best. And so far, Heaven's Cove sounded killer! So I hope Paralyzed would sound something like HC. ;-)
On another note, on the quick snare drum rolls during the transitions in FITL, how does MM do those cymbal accents given the high placement of his cymbals in the kit? Is it too much to expect that he is doing a one handed snare roll? :LOL
Wild speculation: JR will play guitar live during that multilayered guitar section.Then there was the intro to TCoT that would've been the perfect opportunity for JR to accompany JP on second guitar, and instead JP played along to a tape.
I know that now that everything is played to click this is the easiest solution to it, but I really hope they're not going that way. I've already been semi-miffed when JP has played some of his guitar lines to a backing track to get the harmonies, but this tune would take it to another level.
I would say that of the two released songs James is easily the least impressive/most forgettable.
I would definitely agree with this, but this has been an issue for a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG time!
Really? Because I thought the general consensus was that he was outstanding on the previous album.
I transcribed the guitar parts: https://youtu.be/yIWrgrE0FCM
Nice work.
I'm constantly baffled how you guys manage to do this in less than 24 hours... :lol
With the 1st and 3rd songs now out, what would the 4-minute 2nd song Paralyzed sound like?
Having too much time in my hands, I tried to play some short DT songs in between UA and FITL to hear what would fit in best. And so far, Heaven's Cove sounded killer! So I hope Paralyzed would sound something like HC. ;-)
On another note, on the quick snare drum rolls during the transitions in FITL, how does MM do those cymbal accents given the high placement of his cymbals in the kit? Is it too much to expect that he is doing a one handed snare roll? :LOL
I imagine Paralyzed would probably be the heaviest and/or fastest song on the album.
On another note, on the quick snare drum rolls during the transitions in FITL, how does MM do those cymbal accents given the high placement of his cymbals in the kit? Is it too much to expect that he is doing a one handed snare roll? :LOL
Just a funny tidbit of angry DT fan trivia:
I've seen some of my friends who are/were into DT take a dive against this tune (and UA), saying they hate that it's a "more of the same they've been doing for years"; while praising with no end Neal Morse's most recent output.
I mean, nothing against good ole Neal. I've travelled internationally just to see the guy, but as much as I love him I kinda recognize (in the humblest of opinions) that he has been putting out the same album out for the past couple of years. Nothing has changed: the band, the studio, the composer, the music, the mix, the engineers etc. remain the same, as is the incredibly recognizable but kinda overdone Neal Morse musical stamp. Lots can be said against this opinion, like: "hey, but if I love A and B is very similar to A then that means that I'll love A and B equally!" but then again I think it's kinda unfair to say DT has fallen into that when clearly an album like The Astonishing marked a *clear* different path from what you've come to expect from the band.
I hope these thoughts didn't come out as confusing, but I felt like saying something about it.
On another note, on the quick snare drum rolls during the transitions in FITL, how does MM do those cymbal accents given the high placement of his cymbals in the kit? Is it too much to expect that he is doing a one handed snare roll? :LOL
Just a funny tidbit of angry DT fan trivia:
I've seen some of my friends who are/were into DT take a dive against this tune (and UA), saying they hate that it's a "more of the same they've been doing for years"; while praising with no end Neal Morse's most recent output.
I mean, nothing against good ole Neal. I've travelled internationally just to see the guy, but as much as I love him I kinda recognize (in the humblest of opinions) that he has been putting out the same album out for the past couple of years. Nothing has changed: the band, the studio, the composer, the music, the mix, the engineers etc. remain the same, as is the incredibly recognizable but kinda overdone Neal Morse musical stamp. Lots can be said against this opinion, like: "hey, but if I love A and B is very similar to A then that means that I'll love A and B equally!" but then again I think it's kinda unfair to say DT has fallen into that when clearly an album like The Astonishing marked a *clear* different path from what you've come to expect from the band.
I hope these thoughts didn't come out as confusing, but I felt like saying something about it.
I agree on this with you completely.
It's what I've been complaining about Mike Portnoy lately, I'm yet to hear a truly memorable drum part from him since he left DT, everything he's done since has been just the same style over and over again, the same can be said about NM, unfortunately.
Yeah, MP became a quantity drummer instead of an innovative/quality one. He’s putting out all of these albums, doing all of these collabs and just keeping himself as busy as he possibly can has had a direct influence over his playing. It doesn’t get me as excited as it once did; because everytime I hear him I go like: “oh, it’s Mike again being as Mike as he’s always been, doing all these fills and tricks I know by heart.”
His drumming is fine in all of these releases, or course, but it’s more of the same everytime around. Its still enjoyable, but I really cannot remember when was the last time I was impressed or just had to pay close attention to MP’s drum parts because of their genius. It’s been quite some years, actually. It’s as if you found a way to go through college obtaining solid and constant B grades knowing you don’t need more than that without having to study or work hard to do things better. I miss the incredibly exquisite Portnoy that wrote the drums for 6DOIT but oh well, his fans love that and will keep giving him money that will in exchange make him do even more collabs and whatnot.
The opening guitar pattern reminds me of Street Spirit (Fade Out) by Radiohead.
Yeah, MP became a quantity drummer instead of an innovative/quality one. He’s putting out all of these albums, doing all of these collabs and just keeping himself as busy as he possibly can has had a direct influence over his playing. It doesn’t get me as excited as it once did; because everytime I hear him I go like: “oh, it’s Mike again being as Mike as he’s always been, doing all these fills and tricks I know by heart.”
His drumming is fine in all of these releases, or course, but it’s more of the same everytime around. Its still enjoyable, but I really cannot remember when was the last time I was impressed or just had to pay close attention to MP’s drum parts because of their genius. It’s been quite some years, actually. It’s as if you found a way to go through college obtaining solid and constant B grades knowing you don’t need more than that without having to study or work hard to do things better. I miss the incredibly exquisite Portnoy that wrote the drums for 6DOIT but oh well, his fans love that and will keep giving him money that will in exchange make him do even more collabs and whatnot.
This is spot-on. On their own, the parts are fine, but his drumming always sounds the same now regardless of the project he's playing in at the time. His drumming doesn't excite me or capture my attention at all...that stops after SDOIT.
Just a funny tidbit of angry DT fan trivia:
I've seen some of my friends who are/were into DT take a dive against this tune (and UA), saying they hate that it's a "more of the same they've been doing for years"; while praising with no end Neal Morse's most recent output.
I mean, nothing against good ole Neal. I've travelled internationally just to see the guy, but as much as I love him I kinda recognize (in the humblest of opinions) that he has been putting out the same album out for the past couple of years. Nothing has changed: the band, the studio, the composer, the music, the mix, the engineers etc. remain the same, as is the incredibly recognizable but kinda overdone Neal Morse musical stamp. Lots can be said against this opinion, like: "hey, but if I love A and B is very similar to A then that means that I'll love A and B equally!" but then again I think it's kinda unfair to say DT has fallen into that when clearly an album like The Astonishing marked a *clear* different path from what you've come to expect from the band.
I hope these thoughts didn't come out as confusing, but I felt like saying something about it.
Yet I'm constantly amazed by many things MM does, which people don't seem to appreciate god knows why, like in Illumination Theory
Yet I'm constantly amazed by many things MM does, which people don't seem to appreciate god knows why, like in Illumination Theory
Right? He does do some mindblowing stuff. Guess some people's inability to let go of something old blind them from enjoying something new, shame for them, kind of feel bad tbh.
Yet I'm constantly amazed by many things MM does, which people don't seem to appreciate god knows why, like in Illumination Theory
Yet I'm constantly amazed by many things MM does, which people don't seem to appreciate god knows why, like in Illumination Theory
Yet I'm constantly amazed by many things MM does, which people don't seem to appreciate god knows why, like in Illumination Theory
For a lot of his fills that apparently make everyone in awe, all I hear is really fast rolls. And I say this as a drummer.
For a lot of his fills that apparently make everyone in awe, all I hear is really fast rolls. And I say this as a drummer.
I think most of us who like his drumming is in awe not of his fills. His strength is in orchestration. If one looks for fills, Mangini is not the man.
For a lot of his fills that apparently make everyone in awe, all I hear is really fast rolls. And I say this as a drummer.
I think most of us who like his drumming is in awe not of his fills. His strength is in orchestration. If one looks for fills, Mangini is not the man.
And his orchestration, with some very very great exceptions, is doubling other people. You seem to love that. That's cool. As I said, to me it's more of a novelty that he is overusing. You've stated you don't want the drums to stand out or be "flashy" and I do at times. Just different tastes.
Sometimes his doubling thing works insanely well. Like in OTBOA when he's playing the guitar and keyboard parts at the same time. But eventually it becomes monotonous because the rest of the band are often doing the same thing. So instead of multiple things going on and being interesting, you just get everyone doing the same thing and Mangini really hammering it in. Just not interesting to me.
Since we are talking about the drumming. Here is a drum cover for FITL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6Rnei1gj6g
For a lot of his fills that apparently make everyone in awe, all I hear is really fast rolls. And I say this as a drummer.
I think most of us who like his drumming is in awe not of his fills. His strength is in orchestration. If one looks for fills, Mangini is not the man.
And his orchestration, with some very very great exceptions, is doubling other people. You seem to love that. That's cool. As I said, to me it's more of a novelty that he is overusing. You've stated you don't want the drums to stand out or be "flashy" and I do at times. Just different tastes.
Sometimes his doubling thing works insanely well. Like in OTBOA when he's playing the guitar and keyboard parts at the same time. But eventually it becomes monotonous because the rest of the band are often doing the same thing. So instead of multiple things going on and being interesting, you just get everyone doing the same thing and Mangini really hammering it in. Just not interesting to me.
For a lot of his fills that apparently make everyone in awe, all I hear is really fast rolls. And I say this as a drummer.
I think most of us who like his drumming is in awe not of his fills. His strength is in orchestration. If one looks for fills, Mangini is not the man.
And his orchestration, with some very very great exceptions, is doubling other people. You seem to love that. That's cool. As I said, to me it's more of a novelty that he is overusing. You've stated you don't want the drums to stand out or be "flashy" and I do at times. Just different tastes.
Sometimes his doubling thing works insanely well. Like in OTBOA when he's playing the guitar and keyboard parts at the same time. But eventually it becomes monotonous because the rest of the band are often doing the same thing. So instead of multiple things going on and being interesting, you just get everyone doing the same thing and Mangini really hammering it in. Just not interesting to me.
Isn't that a pretty DT thing?
For a lot of his fills that apparently make everyone in awe, all I hear is really fast rolls. And I say this as a drummer.
I think most of us who like his drumming is in awe not of his fills. His strength is in orchestration. If one looks for fills, Mangini is not the man.
And his orchestration, with some very very great exceptions, is doubling other people. You seem to love that. That's cool. As I said, to me it's more of a novelty that he is overusing. You've stated you don't want the drums to stand out or be "flashy" and I do at times. Just different tastes.
Sometimes his doubling thing works insanely well. Like in OTBOA when he's playing the guitar and keyboard parts at the same time. But eventually it becomes monotonous because the rest of the band are often doing the same thing. So instead of multiple things going on and being interesting, you just get everyone doing the same thing and Mangini really hammering it in. Just not interesting to me.
Isn't that a pretty DT thing?
No?
Again, what I'm saying is when it's more often than not. Doing something as an accent is totally cool. But if DT's thing is everyone just doing the same thing, then clearly I am not a DT fan anymore.
I understand being wary of online guitar tabs, but transcribing/teaching is my profession. My first official tab book is coming out soon: https://www.sheethappenspublishing.com/columns/21/cynic-humanoid-freebie-paul-masvidal-on-the-houseI transcribed the guitar parts: https://youtu.be/yIWrgrE0FCM
Nice work.
I'm constantly baffled how you guys manage to do this in less than 24 hours... :lol
Yeah, but you have to keep in mind, it’s probably full of mistakes.
I understand being wary of online guitar tabs, but transcribing/teaching is my profession. My first official tab book is coming out soon: https://www.sheethappenspublishing.com/columns/21/cynic-humanoid-freebie-paul-masvidal-on-the-houseI transcribed the guitar parts: https://youtu.be/yIWrgrE0FCM
Nice work.
I'm constantly baffled how you guys manage to do this in less than 24 hours... :lol
Yeah, but you have to keep in mind, it’s probably full of mistakes.
I also won JP's Match the Master contest in 2016: http://blog.music-man.com/uncategorized/match-the-master-meeting-john-petrucci/
There may be some positional differences in my transcription, but we won't know until we see JP play the song.
I'd be glad to help you. Feel free to email me at maytropolees@comcast.netI understand being wary of online guitar tabs, but transcribing/teaching is my profession. My first official tab book is coming out soon: https://www.sheethappenspublishing.com/columns/21/cynic-humanoid-freebie-paul-masvidal-on-the-houseI transcribed the guitar parts: https://youtu.be/yIWrgrE0FCM
Nice work.
I'm constantly baffled how you guys manage to do this in less than 24 hours... :lol
Yeah, but you have to keep in mind, it’s probably full of mistakes.
I also won JP's Match the Master contest in 2016: http://blog.music-man.com/uncategorized/match-the-master-meeting-john-petrucci/
There may be some positional differences in my transcription, but we won't know until we see JP play the song.
I might end up hiring you at some point. I have a tendency to write/record riffs and then when it comes to actually recording them (not just demo) I have no idea how to play it and my ear isn't great.
I prefer to see it as highlighting or accenting, instead of doubling. Hehehe. Like how percussion is used in an orchestra.
I was just looking at tickets for the NYC show, looks like it's almost sold out! That's some positive news, I have yet to go to a sold out Dream Theater show at that venue (or any venue) so would be great for the band to be able to do that.
I was just looking at tickets for the NYC show, looks like it's almost sold out! That's some positive news, I have yet to go to a sold out Dream Theater show at that venue (or any venue) so would be great for the band to be able to do that.
That's good to see (hear). The 2 shows I'm attending (Count Basie & Tower Theater - I'm unavailable for the Beacon show which I would have attended instead of the Tower) are both far from sold out. :facepalm:
So far, the album seems to be one of their most sinister records, alongside Awake.
These are arguably their darkest singles, anyone agrees?
What surprises me though, is how melodic the two singles are. I hope the rest of the songs have the same amount of melody to go with the heaviness
Never thought I’d see DT and Thrice on the same bill. But I’ve dreamt of it!
So far, the album seems to be one of their most sinister records, alongside Awake.
These are arguably their darkest singles, anyone agrees?
So far, the album seems to be one of their most sinister records, alongside Awake.
These are arguably their darkest singles, anyone agrees?
I didn't really hear anything too dark about either song, or even that heavy. I dunno. Not that they're light, but they seemed heavy rock at the heaviest. With a riff here or there going into the heavier category.
I was just looking at tickets for the NYC show, looks like it's almost sold out! That's some positive news, I have yet to go to a sold out Dream Theater show at that venue (or any venue) so would be great for the band to be able to do that.
Still not seeing much love for the chorus... surely there must be others out there? I think it's one of the nicest chord progressions they've come out with for a long time.
Still not seeing much love for the chorus... surely there must be others out there? I think it's one of the nicest chord progressions they've come out with for a long time.
I'm not sure which "people" didn't care for it. It's great.
Still not seeing much love for the chorus... surely there must be others out there? I think it's one of the nicest chord progressions they've come out with for a long time.
No. You are alone.
I'm not sure which "people" didn't care for it. It's great.
Seen a few comments - not necessarily on hereStill not seeing much love for the chorus... surely there must be others out there? I think it's one of the nicest chord progressions they've come out with for a long time.
No. You are alone.
Well you're not allowed to be a part of the Bbsus2-Dm-Am-Ebsus2-Dm-Fm-Csus2 fan club then.
The two songs have heavy moments, but I do not feel a dark vibe in them. And I hope no song from the next album has that vibe, because DT has already proven that they don't know how to make good dark songs.They have done some pretty heavy songs but have made them too light hearted to be considered dark. I do love the concept of TDEN though, a monster that has come up from the depths of the unknown to wreak havoc. I want more songs like that, except with an even heavier darker edge!
I'm not sure which "people" didn't care for it. It's great.
Seen a few comments - not necessarily on hereStill not seeing much love for the chorus... surely there must be others out there? I think it's one of the nicest chord progressions they've come out with for a long time.
No. You are alone.
Well you're not allowed to be a part of the Bbsus2-Dm-Am-Ebsus2-Dm-Fm-Csus2 fan club then.
I'm trying to get better at chords and what not. I know the normal stuff like major and minor and their inversions, but can you explain what suspended chords are, and what the numbers mean?
I was just looking at tickets for the NYC show, looks like it's almost sold out! That's some positive news, I have yet to go to a sold out Dream Theater show at that venue (or any venue) so would be great for the band to be able to do that.
I'm not sure which "people" didn't care for it. It's great.
FITL - even though it's hard to put this one here as it's so new I think beside the worst DT chorus of all time the song has good elements.
I'm not sure which "people" didn't care for it. It's great.
Seen a few comments - not necessarily on hereStill not seeing much love for the chorus... surely there must be others out there? I think it's one of the nicest chord progressions they've come out with for a long time.
No. You are alone.
Well you're not allowed to be a part of the Bbsus2-Dm-Am-Ebsus2-Dm-Fm-Csus2 fan club then.
I'm trying to get better at chords and what not. I know the normal stuff like major and minor and their inversions, but can you explain what suspended chords are, and what the numbers mean?
First review out.
https://amnplify.com.au/portfolio-items/dream-theater-distance-over-time-album-review/
First review out.
https://amnplify.com.au/portfolio-items/dream-theater-distance-over-time-album-review/
Well, this is really a nice one.
There is actually another review out, that is so badly written that is not worth mentioning.
The two reviewers seems to like two different set of songs...one more on the metal side, this one more on the proggy.
First review out.
https://amnplify.com.au/portfolio-items/dream-theater-distance-over-time-album-review/
First review out.
https://amnplify.com.au/portfolio-items/dream-theater-distance-over-time-album-review/
Well, this is really a nice one.
There is actually another review out, that is so badly written that is not worth mentioning.
The two reviewers seems to like two different set of songs...one more on the metal side, this one more on the proggy.
I'd still like to read it, could post it please?
Found another one, pretty much on the same page, seems like the second half of the album is where things get more interesting:
https://www.therockpit.net/2019/album-review-dream-theater-distance-over-time/ (https://www.therockpit.net/2019/album-review-dream-theater-distance-over-time/)
Another review here - https://www.staccatofy.com/rock/dream-theater-distance-over-time-review/ (https://www.staccatofy.com/rock/dream-theater-distance-over-time-review/). Shorter than the other recent ones but nonetheless very positive.
The two songs have heavy moments, but I do not feel a dark vibe in them. And I hope no song from the next album has that vibe, because DT has already proven that they don't know how to make good dark songs.They have done some pretty heavy songs but have made them too light hearted to be considered dark. I do love the concept of TDEN though, a monster that has come up from the depths of the unknown to wreak havoc. I want more songs like that, except with an even heavier darker edge!
Okay, but you were talking about "dark" and "heavy," not "worst." Those are unrelated.The two songs have heavy moments, but I do not feel a dark vibe in them. And I hope no song from the next album has that vibe, because DT has already proven that they don't know how to make good dark songs.They have done some pretty heavy songs but have made them too light hearted to be considered dark. I do love the concept of TDEN though, a monster that has come up from the depths of the unknown to wreak havoc. I want more songs like that, except with an even heavier darker edge!
I think it's a matter of different tastes. I consider TDEN to be one of DT's worst songs, if not worse.
Really? Their worst?? :justjenThe two songs have heavy moments, but I do not feel a dark vibe in them. And I hope no song from the next album has that vibe, because DT has already proven that they don't know how to make good dark songs.They have done some pretty heavy songs but have made them too light hearted to be considered dark. I do love the concept of TDEN though, a monster that has come up from the depths of the unknown to wreak havoc. I want more songs like that, except with an even heavier darker edge!
I think it's a matter of different tastes. I consider TDEN to be one of DT's worst songs, if not worse.
Okay, but you were talking about "dark" and "heavy," not "worst." Those are unrelated.The two songs have heavy moments, but I do not feel a dark vibe in them. And I hope no song from the next album has that vibe, because DT has already proven that they don't know how to make good dark songs.They have done some pretty heavy songs but have made them too light hearted to be considered dark. I do love the concept of TDEN though, a monster that has come up from the depths of the unknown to wreak havoc. I want more songs like that, except with an even heavier darker edge!
I think it's a matter of different tastes. I consider TDEN to be one of DT's worst songs, if not worse.
As far as DT doing dark, I guess it's just a matter of degree. Awake, TOT, and BCSL definitely have a lot of darker moments. But "dark" for DT might not be quite as dark as some other metal bands. They also like to infuse a lot of positivity and introspection into their music. Redemption is another band that comes to mind. A lot of the concepts Nick explores in Redemption's music and lyrics is quite dark. But at the same time, a common theme throughout their music and lyrics is finding hope in the darkness, so there is also a lighter, brighter vibe that transcends the darkness in their music as well and might cause a lot of people to overlook the darkness. That doesn't mean it isn't there and isn't prominent. Darkness is prominent, but it never gets TOO dark, and almost always resolves on a lighter, hopeful note.
where do I have to sign to never hear that song, especially live, ever again?
I was saying that when the DT goes by the dark side, I usually do not like it. Maybe in that sense that I meant. I used to say I had problems with the heavier side of the DT, but FITL has a really heavy riff, but I loved it! So I tried to "separate" the "heavy" from the "dark." I don't Know if it makes sense.
1. It tends to get a great audience reaction; and
Count me in among those who totally loathe Dark Eternal Night. It seemed to me they were trying too hard to have a way too heavy song, but the lyrics are horrible and what to be expected by 20 years old newcomers trying to be cool and scary, not from DT. It doesn't help that there's the mandatory, for that time period, "let's stop the song and stick in whatever comes up in the first 5 minutes of jamming" solo section.
I concede that the riff is cool and I have to admit that live it comes off better, but still... where do I have to sign to never hear that song, especially live, ever again? if you all like it it's fine of course, lucky you, you have 9 minutes more of DT discography to enjoy :D
At last, I have someone in my corner! :lol :tupwhere do I have to sign to never hear that song, especially live, ever again?
Well, the problem you have it twofold:
1. It tends to get a great audience reaction; and
2. JP knows it and loves the song.
They are pretty good about not overplaying songs every tour. But TDEN is one that I would expect to come back fairly regularly.
I. DONT. CARE. what anyone thinks! TDEN is a awesome song and I'm proud to be in the minority here.
:biggrin: :metal
Ehm...isn't this tread on D/T?This kind of deviating behavior is commonplace in DT forums. Now it's the TDET.. 🎶TTHE DAARRK EEETERRNAL THREAD🎶 !
Last two pages are on TDEN... ??? ???
So there's a new Majesty guitar coming out, i was wondering if the audio from the trailer is coming from D/T...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=GFBRiLgbd0U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=GFBRiLgbd0U)
I could see it coming from Pale Blue Dot for some reason...
I. DONT. CARE. what anyone thinks! TDEN is a awesome song and I'm proud to be in the minority here.
:biggrin: :metal
So there's a new Majesty guitar coming out, i was wondering if the audio from the trailer is coming from D/T...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=GFBRiLgbd0U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=GFBRiLgbd0U)
I could see it coming from Pale Blue Dot for some reason...
Ehm...isn't this tread on D/T?
Last two pages are on TDEN... ??? ???
Oh, just in time for NAMM! :biggrin:
As of this post, the d/t box set is down to $119.59 on Amazon for preorder! Not sure when it'll jump back up but I just placed my preorder just in case! Saving that extra $30 makes quite a difference!Thank you for this! I just put in a pre-order as well.
-Marc.
Kind of dark lyrics. I wonder if the music will be heavy with a sense of urgency?
Now we should make a competition to make a song with those lyrics and see who will be the nearest to the original ;D
Also, they just posted pictures of the D/T artbook on their facebook page. You can see the lyrics for S2N in this one: https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50221021_10155793449142181_6596288662428712960_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=16eaac1a5a04efcdfad0676580fdca66&oe=5CB7522A
Also, they just posted pictures of the D/T artbook on their facebook page. You can see the lyrics for S2N in this one: https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50221021_10155793449142181_6596288662428712960_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=16eaac1a5a04efcdfad0676580fdca66&oe=5CB7522A
Lyrics by JM and JP.
Kind of dark lyrics. I wonder if the music will be heavy with a false sense of urgency trapped in my phobia possessed by anxiety?
It's sad I've gotten to a point where if I see "Lyrics by JM" I go "ehhhhhh" and lose interest.
I’ve gotten to a point where if I see people having preconceived notions without hearing a song or album yet, I go “ehhhhhh” and lose interest.Same...
It's sad I've gotten to a point where if I see "Lyrics by JM" I go "ehhhhhh" and lose interest.
Looks good except I *really* hope the pictures showing the cover are a mock up and not the real deal. The band font on the cover of the book is the crappy DT font that's been circulating since forever, and not the proper font. I'd be very disappointed if that was the case, especially given the official cover artwork has the proper font.
It's sad I've gotten to a point where if I see "Lyrics by JM" I go "ehhhhhh" and lose interest.
I’ve gotten to a point where if I see people having preconceived notions without hearing a song or album yet, I go “ehhhhhh” and lose interest.
It's sad I've gotten to a point where if I see "Lyrics by JM" I go "ehhhhhh" and lose interest.
Well, Adami, you've hinted at it many times, but I think you've come to a point where DT's no longer your thing. Tbh, I'm not where you are now, but I may at some point. Contrary to you (if my memory serves me well), I love TA but after 26 years listening to the band, I'm not as hyped as before when an album is released (so much so that I didn't listen to their 2 singles, something that would have been unimaginable just a few years ago).
B.Lee
It's sad I've gotten to a point where if I see "Lyrics by JM" I go "ehhhhhh" and lose interest.
Well, Adami, you've hinted at it many times, but I think you've come to a point where DT's no longer your thing. Tbh, I'm not where you are now, but I may at some point. Contrary to you (if my memory serves me well), I love TA but after 26 years listening to the band, I'm not as hyped as before when an album is released (so much so that I didn't listen to their 2 singles, something that would have been unimaginable just a few years ago).
B.Lee
A much more polite response, and sadly true. I guess I was just reflecting on how sad it is since DT was my entry into this kind of music like 20 years ago. They have a really important part in my music history and I still dig the older stuff. Just unfortunate to not connect with their output anymore.
I used to be in a very similar spot as Adami. At some point I realized that it was my history with DT (i.e. them being my undisputed #1 band for almost two decades) made me judge their current output with a measuring stick they simply never will live up to. Simply ain't gonna happen from this point on.
Interestingly though, that realization made me split DT in two: the IAW->6DOIT band that I still hold dearly in my heart, and the ToT->Now band that I'm only so-so into. But because of that split, me only being so-so into modern DT is fine, and I listen to new releases with mild interest. A few songs I like, a lot of them I don't. But that's ok enough for me for modern DT.
I just don't connect with the new music or lyrics. I don't judge a band by how good they are compared to what they did. Just if I like it or not. I'm one of the guys who loves when a band changes and evolves. I just have to like the output. DT's current philosophy on music and lyrics doesn't do much for me.
I just don't connect with the new music or lyrics. I don't judge a band by how good they are compared to what they did. Just if I like it or not. I'm one of the guys who loves when a band changes and evolves. I just have to like the output. DT's current philosophy on music and lyrics doesn't do much for me.
Could you elaborate more on what you don't like about their current music and lyric approach? Not trying to make a point or anything, just want to understand what you're saying a little more.
I just don't connect to it. The music, to me, sounds (with exception) rather sterile and mechanical. I'm not hearing a lot of life. The lyrics, again just to me, come off as bland and uninspired (not that they are, they just sound that way to me). I don't connect with the subjects they're singing about, I find much of the actual writing to be a bit cliche and generic. Again, just to me.
I used to be in a very similar spot as Adami. At some point I realized that it was my history with DT (i.e. them being my undisputed #1 band for almost two decades) made me judge their current output with a measuring stick they simply never will live up to. Simply ain't gonna happen from this point on.
Interestingly though, that realization made me split DT in two: the IAW->6DOIT band that I still hold dearly in my heart, and the ToT->Now band that I'm only so-so into. But because of that split, me only being so-so into modern DT is fine, and I listen to new releases with mild interest. A few songs I like, a lot of them I don't. But that's ok enough for me for modern DT.
Well that's not really where I'm at. I'm not comparing their new stuff with their old stuff. I still really love Illumination Theory (well most of it anyway) and a BAI.
I just don't connect with the new music or lyrics. I don't judge a band by how good they are compared to what they did. Just if I like it or not. I'm one of the guys who loves when a band changes and evolves. I just have to like the output. DT's current philosophy on music and lyrics doesn't do much for me.
I used to be in a very similar spot as Adami. At some point I realized that it was my history with DT (i.e. them being my undisputed #1 band for almost two decades) made me judge their current output with a measuring stick they simply never will live up to. Simply ain't gonna happen from this point on.
Interestingly though, that realization made me split DT in two: the IAW->6DOIT band that I still hold dearly in my heart, and the ToT->Now band that I'm only so-so into. But because of that split, me only being so-so into modern DT is fine, and I listen to new releases with mild interest. A few songs I like, a lot of them I don't. But that's ok enough for me for modern DT.
Well that's not really where I'm at. I'm not comparing their new stuff with their old stuff. I still really love Illumination Theory (well most of it anyway) and a BAI.
I just don't connect with the new music or lyrics. I don't judge a band by how good they are compared to what they did. Just if I like it or not. I'm one of the guys who loves when a band changes and evolves. I just have to like the output. DT's current philosophy on music and lyrics doesn't do much for me.
This is fine, but if you state it’s not about judging and comparing and just if you like it or not, then why make a statement that you lose interest if JM is writing the lyrics? Surely based off that it wouldn’t be about who wrote it, just you like the finished product. Odd as well when he penned the lyrics for one of the modern songs you listed you do actually enjoy in BAI.
In any case, not trying to start up a shitstorm, I just think there are some inconsistencies in some of the comments. Which is understandable if you feel you aren’t connecting much with the music anymore. Hopefully there may be some nice moments on the new album that restore something for you :tup
Maybe not the place, but I like that Kirk mentions DT at 17:24 in this interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMc24819DXk
Maybe not the place, but I like that Kirk mentions DT at 17:24 in this interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMc24819DXk
That’s awesome cuz Metallica is my fav band with DT being 2nd and I never thought Metallica even knew who DT was or even cared. I know Lars and MP know each other but didn’t think it went further than that.
Maybe not the place, but I like that Kirk mentions DT at 17:24 in this interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMc24819DXk
That’s awesome cuz Metallica is my fav band with DT being 2nd and I never thought Metallica even knew who DT was or even cared. I know Lars and MP know each other but didn’t think it went further than that.
When I met Lars back in like...2004? I think? It was after DT covered MoP in it's entirety. I got super nervous and just asked him what he thought (douche move on my part, but I just froze) and Lars was really complimentary to DT and their take on the album, as well as MP's drumming.
I used to be in a very similar spot as Adami. At some point I realized that it was my history with DT (i.e. them being my undisputed #1 band for almost two decades) made me judge their current output with a measuring stick they simply never will live up to. Simply ain't gonna happen from this point on.
Interestingly though, that realization made me split DT in two: the IAW->6DOIT band that I still hold dearly in my heart, and the ToT->Now band that I'm only so-so into. But because of that split, me only being so-so into modern DT is fine, and I listen to new releases with mild interest. A few songs I like, a lot of them I don't. But that's ok enough for me for modern DT.
Well that's not really where I'm at. I'm not comparing their new stuff with their old stuff. I still really love Illumination Theory (well most of it anyway) and a BAI.
I just don't connect with the new music or lyrics. I don't judge a band by how good they are compared to what they did. Just if I like it or not. I'm one of the guys who loves when a band changes and evolves. I just have to like the output. DT's current philosophy on music and lyrics doesn't do much for me.
This is fine, but if you state it’s not about judging and comparing and just if you like it or not, then why make a statement that you lose interest if JM is writing the lyrics? Surely based off that it wouldn’t be about who wrote it, just you like the finished product. Odd as well when he penned the lyrics for one of the modern songs you listed you do actually enjoy in BAI.
In any case, not trying to start up a shitstorm, I just think there are some inconsistencies in some of the comments. Which is understandable if you feel you aren’t connecting much with the music anymore. Hopefully there may be some nice moments on the new album that restore something for you :tup
My statement about JM was meant to illustrate how disappointed I was that this was the case. I really liked his lyrics pre-SFAM. So while you could call that comparing, it's not that I need his lyrics to be as good as they were then and I can't like them for what they are, it's that I just don't like them, and it's a shame considering how good they used to be. And I do like BAI.....musically. I like the vocals too, just don't care much for the lyrics. It's not like I hear them and go "OH GOD THESE LYRICS RUIN EVERYTHING" I just kind of ignore them because they, to me, feel very bland and cliche.
Also why are you looking for inconsistencies? If someone says they prefer MM era of MP era, are they subject to this level of critical analysis? Or are only positive opinions welcome? Are you trying to prove I have some kind of ulterior motive or something? I mean, I just don't connect with much of it anymore and I find a lot of it to be mechanical, cliche, and boring. It sucks, but it's just what it is. My tastes have obviously just changed.
Just to be clear, I don't hate any of DT's newer stuff. I don't put on FITL and go "GOOD GOD WHAT IS THIS GARBAGE THIS CRAP MUST BE DESTROYED". I just listen and don't feel much. That's it. Death Magnetic by Metallica is an album I actively dislike. Like, I will not listen to it. DT's music doesn't do that to me. I just feel....nothing....toward most of it.
It's kind of like Kevin Smith. I love his movies even up to and including Jersey Girl. But everything after that? Do not like it. Red State? Tusk? Gross. Bad movies. Is it because I want them to be like his early films? Nope. They're just bad films in and of themselves. But I looooove Kevin Smith. I will watch anything he does on Youtube where it's just him. I also love when he directs episodes of other shows. DT is similar. I still really love all the members, and will always check out their side projects or videos they do. They're great. Just don't think much of their last few albums or the direction they seem happy to be going. I'll always hope that this will change. Who knows?
But apparently, I'm the person overstaying my welcome. So since this forum is about liking DT, and I don't want my posts subject to this level of analysis simply because they're not praising DT, I'll just limit my comments to positive or neutral statements, which won't be as plentiful. Such is life.
There are zillions of bands out there, and there is certainly (..hopefully) at least one "good" one for everybody...so why don't just go there and write about positive things?
I wish it was that way. I have always said that my favorite music genre is one where I hate 95% of the music in it. In my opinion there aren't actually a lot of good prog metal acts.
IMHO, they all miss the "magic pop touch" ( :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:) that DT has...
I wish it was that way. I have always said that my favorite music genre is one where I hate 95% of the music in it. In my opinion there aren't actually a lot of good prog metal acts.
:tup
I've tried to convince my self that I love "prog metal"/ "prog hard rock", but the truth is that I only "love" Dream theater...
I've tried with Haken, Leprous, Circus Maximus, all of Portnoy bands...but they bore me to death.
IMHO, they all miss the "magic pop touch" ( :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:) that DT has...
I think DT's great skill is that in all the flurry of skill and odd meters, JP doesn't lose sight of the song. He makes sure that the bedrock of the song is a strong chord progression.
I wish it was that way. I have always said that my favorite music genre is one where I hate 95% of the music in it. In my opinion there aren't actually a lot of good prog metal acts.
I wish it was that way. I have always said that my favorite music genre is one where I hate 95% of the music in it. In my opinion there aren't actually a lot of good prog metal acts.
I wish it was that way. I have always said that my favorite music genre is one where I hate 95% of the music in it. In my opinion there aren't actually a lot of good prog metal acts.
IMHO, they all miss the "magic pop touch" ( :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:) that DT has...
I think DT's great skill is that in all the flurry of skill and odd meters, JP doesn't lose sight of the song. He makes sure that the bedrock of the song is a strong chord progression.
At Wit's End is not described that much in detail. It's said to be the one most reminiscent of classic, recent Dream Theater, has a very memorable bridge and the end is soft and almost sweet.
Italian track by track of the new album:
https://metalitalia.com/articolo/dream-theater-il-nuovo-distance-over-time-traccia-per-traccia/
Actual translation... sorry Zydar for having slipped in "classic", I actually misread:
"At Wit's End" is probably the track that comes closest to what Dream Theater has done in the most recent works, as can be clearly distinguished from its virtuosity and a modular pace that does not take long to break the rhythm of the song, with a bridge even more massive than what was previously done that goes on, until culminating culminating in a sort of lasting and almost sweet fading, which in turn ends in a long silence, before returning again operational with a last glimmer of life, perhaps necessary to allow the listener to prepare psychologically for the true and effective ballad of the package.
Yeah, I'd say that the reviewer himself is a prog one, going for needlessly complicated words and examples :lol
So if I read that correctly, the ending of At Wit’s End sets the mood for Out of Reach. Nice
there are "robotic effects" on the voice for a song that is reflective and yet pumps you up.
there are "robotic effects" on the voice for a song that is reflective and yet pumps you up.
Hmm, like Constant Motion or Nomac style robotic vocals? :justjen
Good job the ballads are all really awesome then, isn't it? It's total nonsense that slower songs are just seen as merely "obligatory" rather than a vital part of the flow of an album. Every great album has its share of faster and slower songs, of heavier and softer songs.
there are "robotic effects" on the voice for a song that is reflective and yet pumps you up.
Hmm, like Constant Motion or Nomac style robotic vocals? :justjen
I think they’ll be similar to the first vocal part on The Great Debate.
Not sure if this has been posted here, here's a podcast with JP and JR on the album and the 5 best prog instrumentals.
https://progreport.com/podcast-prog-report-top-5-prog-instrumentals/?fbclid=IwAR2oEydroA4nslgKDoa1lY337AhQmgWoCNyhSknGHZL0_PsW40vFSby4ROM
Not sure if this has been posted here, here's a podcast with JP and JR on the album and the 5 best prog instrumentals.
https://progreport.com/podcast-prog-report-top-5-prog-instrumentals/?fbclid=IwAR2oEydroA4nslgKDoa1lY337AhQmgWoCNyhSknGHZL0_PsW40vFSby4ROM
Yeah I just listened to that, pretty cool!
I don’t have an hour to listen to it right now, can anyone list the highlights of it?
I don’t have an hour to listen to it right now, can anyone list the highlights of it?The favourites from each one, from 5 to 1:
New video interview with JP:
https://youtu.be/9WVGX3jH6zg (https://youtu.be/9WVGX3jH6zg)
New video interview with JP:
https://youtu.be/9WVGX3jH6zg (https://youtu.be/9WVGX3jH6zg)
What a nice interview. I like that it was more of a conversation.
VERY cool interview. I just don't understand though why JP has that beard. It's STUPID that it bothers me, but he looks HORRIBLE. :facepalm:Sounds like beard envy...
VERY cool interview. I just don't understand though why JP has that beard. It's STUPID that it bothers me, but he looks HORRIBLE. :facepalm:
It's not really. :rollinVERY cool interview. I just don't understand though why JP has that beard. It's STUPID that it bothers me, but he looks HORRIBLE. :facepalm:Sounds like beard envy...
VERY cool interview. I just don't understand though why JP has that beard. It's STUPID that it bothers me, but he looks HORRIBLE. :facepalm:
But he is all that is MAN!
In that interview, if it's the one I'm thinking of, it was cool to hear him address the MP fans who say Mangini has no feel. His reaction is the same as mine. :)
New video interview with JP:
https://youtu.be/9WVGX3jH6zg (https://youtu.be/9WVGX3jH6zg)
What a nice interview. I like that it was more of a conversation.
In that interview, if it's the one I'm thinking of, it was cool to hear him address the MP fans who say Mangini has no feel. His reaction is the same as mine. :)
Sounds like drum envy...In that interview, if it's the one I'm thinking of, it was cool to hear him address the MP fans who say Mangini has no feel. His reaction is the same as mine. :)
and is 100% wrong unfortunately!
In that interview, if it's the one I'm thinking of, it was cool to hear him address the MP fans who say Mangini has no feel. His reaction is the same as mine. :)
and is 100% wrong unfortunately!
In that interview, if it's the one I'm thinking of, it was cool to hear him address the MP fans who say Mangini has no feel. His reaction is the same as mine. :)
and is 100% wrong unfortunately!
His reaction is 100% wrong? He's baffled that after playing alongside him for 8 years that people say he has no feel. He's wrong for being baffled?
In that interview, if it's the one I'm thinking of, it was cool to hear him address the MP fans who say Mangini has no feel. His reaction is the same as mine. :)
and is 100% wrong unfortunately!
His reaction is 100% wrong? He's baffled that after playing alongside him for 8 years that people say he has no feel. He's wrong for being baffled?
I completely accept his feeling about MM's "feel" but like many others, I don't see it. I love MM's drumming, but he's certainly not among my "favorite" drummers because of the way he plays. It's just how "I" feel. No disrespect meant.
In that interview, if it's the one I'm thinking of, it was cool to hear him address the MP fans who say Mangini has no feel. His reaction is the same as mine. :)
That was interesting, partly because of how up front the interviewer was with asking the question. But yeah, JP's answer tells you a lot about how he feels about MM, he couldn't stop praising him. Good to see.
Thanks to JP I have now discovered both Animals As Leaders and Jason Richardson, as a result of that interview. :lol :metal
Thanks to JP I have now discovered both Animals As Leaders and Jason Richardson, as a result of that interview. :lol :metal
I reccomend you start AAL with The Joy of Motion :metal :tup
In that interview, if it's the one I'm thinking of, it was cool to hear him address the MP fans who say Mangini has no feel. His reaction is the same as mine. :)
Thanks to JP I have now discovered both Animals As Leaders and Jason Richardson, as a result of that interview. :lol :metal
Thanks to JP I have now discovered both Animals As Leaders and Jason Richardson, as a result of that interview. :lol :metal
I reccomend you start AAL with The Joy of Motion :metal :tup
Thanks to JP I have now discovered both Animals As Leaders and Jason Richardson, as a result of that interview. :lol :metal
Where have you been living lately? Under a rock?!? Kidding aside, AAL are very good but not my cup of tea. Tosin Abasi is one hell of a guitarist though. As is Jason Richardson. You can check out Aviator by Polyphia, he has a guest solo and it rips.
B.Lee
Thanks to JP I have now discovered both Animals As Leaders and Jason Richardson, as a result of that interview. :lol :metal
I reccomend you start AAL with The Joy of Motion :metal :tup
Don't sleep on Weightless either.
Thanks to JP I have now discovered both Animals As Leaders and Jason Richardson, as a result of that interview. :lol :metal
Where have you been living lately? Under a rock?!? Kidding aside, AAL are very good but not my cup of tea. Tosin Abasi is one hell of a guitarist though. As is Jason Richardson. You can check out Aviator by Polyphia, he has a guest solo and it rips.
B.Lee
I sometime ask myself that question. Even my uncle, whom introduced me to DT and the spectacular world of Progressive music, was astonished for a long time that I hadn't heard anything of Abasi (or even Nuno Bettencourt for that matter). I have rectified this slowly over time the last two years.
And I can clearly see what I have been missing out of before. :hefdaddy
Thanks to JP I have now discovered both Animals As Leaders and Jason Richardson, as a result of that interview. :lol :metal
I reccomend you start AAL with The Joy of Motion :metal :tup
Don't sleep on Weightless either.
That's the next album after The Joy of Motion I added to a AAL playlist on Spotify. So I won't miss that album either.
Soooo, if anyone was looking to order the Artbook or Box Set from Amazon, they're currently listed as "Unavailable". My guess is that their allotted number of pre-orders were met in the last day or two, so I'm guessing they're not going to get any more of the Box Sets. I guess dropping the price to just under $120 made every on-the-fence fan pull the trigger on buying (it did for me!).
-Marc.
"OUT OF REACH, the walk of the opus: the melodies of PETRUCCI and RUDESS perfectly accompany the vocal lines of LABRIE."
Smh, yet another review that doesn't say anything about Out of Reach
"At Wit's End" is about... well, it's a very dark subject. It's the after-effect of a very traumatic and horrific experience, which is being the victim of rape. I read an article and then I saw a documentary on victims of such a heinous act, and it's really hard for the couples to go on. So, that lyric is about him telling his wife that no matter what has happened, she has to remember that he still loves her as he always has, nothing has been lost, and that she needs to see that he is still the man she fell in love with. He still does not think anything different. He is there for her, and he needs her to rediscover that yes, she has been changed by this act, but at the same time, she has to realize that there is more to her than what this act dictates. So, that's basically what that lyric is about: her trying to salvage the relationship due to that.
"Viper King" is just a really fun tune. It's about a muscle car - the Dodge Viper.
Nice interview! now I'm curious to see how Viper King will turn out to be :D
I'm glad he's proud of The Astonishing, he has every right to be. And what a horrible situation he was in after the food poisoning accident.... either save the band, or save his voice, as he couldn't do both. Why these things never happen to the likes of Justin Bieber?
Nice interview! now I'm curious to see how Viper King will turn out to be :D
I'm glad he's proud of The Astonishing, he has every right to be. And what a horrible situation he was in after the food poisoning accident.... either save the band, or save his voice, as he couldn't do both. Why these things never happen to the likes of Justin Bieber?
Hard to strain your voice while lip-syncing.
Nice interview! now I'm curious to see how Viper King will turn out to be :D
I'm glad he's proud of The Astonishing, he has every right to be. And what a horrible situation he was in after the food poisoning accident.... either save the band, or save his voice, as he couldn't do both. Why these things never happen to the likes of Justin Bieber?
Hard to strain your voice while lip-syncing.
all is not lost, look here: https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/poprock/detail/-/art/dream-theater-distance-over-time/hnum/8882813 (artbook link) or here: https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/poprock/detail/-/art/dream-theater-distance-over-time/hnum/8882822 (deluxe link), this is my German online store of choice and they're great, not just because of cheap worldwide rates. I'd give them a go if you still want either variety of the box set.Soooo, if anyone was looking to order the Artbook or Box Set from Amazon, they're currently listed as "Unavailable". My guess is that their allotted number of pre-orders were met in the last day or two, so I'm guessing they're not going to get any more of the Box Sets. I guess dropping the price to just under $120 made every on-the-fence fan pull the trigger on buying (it did for me!).
-Marc.
Just went to pre-oder the box set and saw it's unavailable. I'm super disappointed. Congrats on yours!
That's a fantastic JLB interview. I love so much that he's still proud of The Astonishing. Even amongst the division that album caused, I've seen nothing but praise for his vocal delivery.
I wonder if its relatively trivial subject matter (certainly compared to the grief and rape of other tracks) is what's relegated Viper King to bonus-track status, rather than a fully-integrated album track.
It's a tad annoying that the label chose to go down the bonus-track route, when the band clearly stated that they knew all along which track was going to be the proper album closer; the track we now know as Pale Blue Dot.
Yeah, I agree.
I really hope it doesn't turn out to be better than any of the album tracks. :|
Yeah, I agree.
I really hope it doesn't turn out to be better than any of the album tracks. :|
Most of the reviews posted here talk about Viper King as a cool track that doesn't really fit the style of the other tracks, so it makes sense it's listed as a bonus track. I think it'll be better than Out of Reach at best ;D
It's a tad annoying that the label chose to go down the bonus-track route, when the band clearly stated that they knew all along which track was going to be the proper album closer; the track we now know as Pale Blue Dot.
It's a tad annoying that the label chose to go down the bonus-track route, when the band clearly stated that they knew all along which track was going to be the proper album closer; the track we now know as Pale Blue Dot.
Why? You can just buy the edition without the bonus track if that bothers you.
I wonder if its relatively trivial subject matter (certainly compared to the grief and rape of other tracks) is what's relegated Viper King to bonus-track status, rather than a fully-integrated album track.
It's a tad annoying that the label chose to go down the bonus-track route, when the band clearly stated that they knew all along which track was going to be the proper album closer; the track we now know as Pale Blue Dot.
If indeed that PBD is the album closer, you can do what I always do with bonus tracks for albums - insert them into the running order of the album! Find a spot where you think it would sound best between two other songs and create your own running order. Heck, you could tinker with the WHOLE ALBUM if you want, just to keep PBD as the closer! I'll probably find a spot for the bonus track myself, unless it sounds like a good enough coda to the album.
Viper King is a nice bonus track - it's like those mid credit sections in some movies - not really related to the story, but still a funny aside and your life just improves slightly for having experienced it ;)I second that: Viper King does not fit the mood of the album, it's one of the most surprising song and I understand why they decided to put it as a bonus track. I hope we'll get to hear it live as it's just pure fun !
That's a fantastic JLB interview. I love so much that he's still proud of The Astonishing. Even amongst the division that album caused, I've seen nothing but praise for his vocal delivery.
IMO The Astonishing sits side by side with I&W and Awake for his best vocal performance. Absolutely amazing.
Viper King is a nice bonus track - it's like those mid credit sections in some movies - not really related to the story, but still a funny aside and your life just improves slightly for having experienced it ;)
I am also cautiously intrigued by Out of Reach - although I have a feeling this will be the weakest track for me given my thoughts on (most) recent DT ballads.I dunno, The more recent DT ballads are the strongest imo. Chosen is just awesome!
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You mean your post or Zuckenberg?
how do i delete this
You mean your post or Zuckenberg?
Nearly facepalmed when I read that Viper King is about muscle cars but then he compared it to Highway Star and I paused and thought, well I guess that's a pretty kickass song
So far so good. I am holding off on listening to any singles or videos from the band about the new album. I plan to chill and listen on release date.
So far so good. I am holding off on listening to any singles or videos from the band about the new album. I plan to chill and listen on release date.
Welcome to the Patience corner :hat
Let me just say, I didn't expect Barstool Warrior to be one of the top songs of the album. And you guys have heard some bits from it... :censored
Is anyone going to one of the DT concerts going into the concert without spoilers on the set list?
I did this for the probably final Rush tour and loved the surprise songs in the set list.
Spoiler alert: they will play songs from SFAM.
Is anyone going to one of the DT concerts going into the concert without spoilers on the set list?
I did this for the probably final Rush tour and loved the surprise songs in the set list.
Spoiler alert: they will play songs from SFAM.
WAIT...how many of them?!?
-Marc.
Is anyone going to one of the DT concerts going into the concert without spoilers on the set list?
I did this for the probably final Rush tour and loved the surprise songs in the set list.
Every concert.... before the internet. :rollin
Spoiler alert: they will play songs from SFAM.
WAIT...how many of them?!?
-Marc.
Is anyone going to one of the DT concerts going into the concert without spoilers on the set list?
I did this for the probably final Rush tour and loved the surprise songs in the set list.
Is anyone going to one of the DT concerts going into the concert without spoilers on the set list?
Here is my interview with James and John : enjoy ;)
The French promoter told us to hold all the reviews and interviews until Feb 1st, so be prepared, everyone's gonna release everything :D
https://youtu.be/6qgzew42vps
Here is my interview with James and John : enjoy ;)
The French promoter told us to hold all the reviews and interviews until Feb 1st, so be prepared, everyone's gonna release everything :D
https://youtu.be/6qgzew42vps
Great interview,becauseThanks a lot: when I interview the band for the fan club, I know that the fans will read so I don't want to ask the same questions but specific questions that I've never read before. As I had the main lyricists of the band, I thought it would be great to focus on the lyrics.
1.It was not boring and repeating the same things again and again
2.We learned about the cover artwork
3.We learned the working title for the album
4.We learned what S2N is all about
Love it when i learn a little bit more about DT and their albums!
Thanks!
Here is my interview with James and John : enjoy ;)
The French promoter told us to hold all the reviews and interviews until Feb 1st, so be prepared, everyone's gonna release everything :D
https://youtu.be/6qgzew42vps
It's my life mission and creed to go to ANY concert without spoilers on the setlist.
It's my life mission and creed to go to ANY concert without spoilers on the setlist.
Should have gone to concerts before the 00's! :P
It's not THAT hard, even though with superstar bands such as Iron Maiden it's quite difficult.
Even so, to make an example, I still haven't the slightest clue about what Metallica is playing currently, and I intend to keep that up until I'll see them in early May. With Iron Maiden I remember I had to unfollow their Instagram page but aside from that, unless friends don't post videos on FB and you avoid of course the official forums, it's relatively easy to not know a setlist.
With DT themselves I managed to fully avoid info on the last tour and I didn't even have to stop posting here, I just avoided the tour section.
What really does suck though (and I’ve had this happen) is when you make it all the way to the show spoiler-free, and then people around you ruin the setlist before the band comes out.This is what I'm usually afraid of, given that people tend to chat about what they saw online. At a couple of concerts, a person next to me even checked setlist.fm in order to know what will follow. In such case, you must try not to look and hopefully avoid accidentally seeing a part of the set list. :lol
What really does suck though (and I’ve had this happen) is when you make it all the way to the show spoiler-free, and then people around you ruin the setlist before the band comes out.
What really does suck though (and I’ve had this happen) is when you make it all the way to the show spoiler-free, and then people around you ruin the setlist before the band comes out.
Oh yeah, I feel you!
Avoiding official band pages... check
Avoiding YouTube videos... check
Avoiding interviews and carefully dodging internet pages discussing the shows... check
You finally go to the show and the people in front of you go "Can't wait to finally hear ULTRA RARE SURPRISE SONG" and you go FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
It's not THAT hard, even though with superstar bands such as Iron Maiden it's quite difficult.
Even so, to make an example, I still haven't the slightest clue about what Metallica is playing currently, and I intend to keep that up until I'll see them in early May. With Iron Maiden I remember I had to unfollow their Instagram page but aside from that, unless friends don't post videos on FB and you avoid of course the official forums, it's relatively easy to not know a setlist.
With DT themselves I managed to fully avoid info on the last tour and I didn't even have to stop posting here, I just avoided the tour section.
I can't fault fans who talk about how they can't wait to hear a song. If that is what gets them excited about the show and they want to verbalize it, more power to 'em. Going out of your way to spoil it for people is another story, but if you happen to hear someone talking about a song that is going to get played, that is just the way it goes.
Tons of reviews from the various Dream Theater World fan clubs are up - https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2019/02/01/dream-theater-distance-over-time-the-fan-club-reviews/ (https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2019/02/01/dream-theater-distance-over-time-the-fan-club-reviews/)
Tons of reviews from the various Dream Theater World fan clubs are up - https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2019/02/01/dream-theater-distance-over-time-the-fan-club-reviews/ (https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2019/02/01/dream-theater-distance-over-time-the-fan-club-reviews/)
I'm now really excited about this "Beatles section" in Room 137.
Interesting stuff. Damien’s review came across as a little bit muted, but the others seemed positive.
Can’t wait to hear it for myself!
I did this for the probably final Rush tour and loved the surprise songs in the set list.The thing that made it a little easier on that Rush tour was the fact that they varied the setlist up a bit from show to show. Nothing as drastic as what DT did from 2002 to 2006, but still it was nice not to know exactly what the next song was gonna be, despite knowing all the songs that had been played at previous shows. Here's hoping DT will once again apply the "what would Rush do?" mentality. ;)
Interesting how JP says he wrote four tracks & co-wrote two with JM. That means FITL was co-written by Petrucci.I'd imagine it's probably in the same way that all the songs with JM's lyrics were co-written (altho not credited as such): JM submits the lyrics in poem form, and then someone else (apparently only JP, post-MP) helps reformat them into proper song form.
Tons of reviews from the various Dream Theater World fan clubs are up - https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2019/02/01/dream-theater-distance-over-time-the-fan-club-reviews/ (https://dreamtheater.club/blog/2019/02/01/dream-theater-distance-over-time-the-fan-club-reviews/)
an anti-Astonishing album. I think that the band heard the dissatisfied fans and tried to do the opposite: shorter songsdafuq xd
Pale Blue Dot is just a pile of riffs without any structure, a bit like Enigma MachineThis is precisely why I dislike Enigma Machine. The only song I'm looking forward to now is At Wit's End :(
QuotePale Blue Dot is just a pile of riffs without any structure, a bit like Enigma MachineThis is precisely why I dislike Enigma Machine. The only song I'm looking forward to now is At Wit's End :(
Also, reviewers keep being happy about Rudess not using his crazy wizard sounds. How the hell is that a good thing?!
You're such a tease. :)
Hi everyone, I'm Damien, the French guy who didn't like the album ;) I'm going to answer some of your remarks :D
First of all, I'm really sad and ashamed to acknowledge that the album didn't click on me. I tried, like, really. I've had the album since November 21st so I had a lot of time to listen to it. When I first listened to it, I really hated it and had to force myself to go through the end. The production really bothered me and I had never experienced something like that.
But I know too that, had I not forced myself to listen to that album called SFAM 15 years ago (which didn't click on me at first), I wouldn't be here today. It took me a lot of listens to appreciate FII, Awake, TOT and so on (same thing for bands like Pink Floyd, Marillion or Pain of Salvation). So I gave the album a chance and told myself that it couldn't be that way. And then after having listened to Distance over Time many times, some things started to click on me and I started to understand why they chose to produce the album like that. However, even if I've already expressed my love for Barstool Warrior and Viper King, I truly think the album is like DT12: good songs but nothing fresh and innovating. Yet, the bass lines are really audible and awesome, Jordan has some great sounds too and the fans of Petrucci will be pleased!
For me, the Astonishing was such a breath of fresh, I fell in love with that album (mainly because it was the start of my being involved with the fan club and DT World) because I thought it was well composed even if it lacked many elements of the DT sound. But it was a bold move and I respect the band for having the balls to release it. However, I was aware that, with the fans complaining mainly about that album, the band would like to go back to their "style" and I was afraid to get a ADTOE 2.0 or a DT12 2.0 so I expected nothing until... I heard the news from the studio that they wanted something more organic, more live...the hype was back :D and gone when I heard the album.
Anyway, I was even more puzzled when I saw that all the reviews were positive and I blamed myself for not being able to grasp the essence of the album. The same thing happens when everybody is raving about a movie and I don't like it: I'm always questioning myself (why didn't I like the album? Did I miss something? Am I too picky?).
I talked a lot with a friend of mine who is a journalist and who had access to the album at the same time (if you can read French, here is his review: here (http://"https://www.lagrosseradio.com/metal/webzine-metal/chronique-metal/p24273-dream-theater-distance-over-time.html?fbclid=IwAR24CQAjEChxb4Dz7qFtic4GqoUCy03w4JpHnMF9wPqoIiWN2EhBoLoC6G4") and he agrees with me (he rated it 6/10). So maybe it's a French thing and we are the "yellow vests" of prog metal, always complaining :D
@Pax: by writing "shorter songs" I wanted to point out the fact that (for me) the Astonishing is like ONE giant song or a movie: I only listen to it when I have time to listen to it entirely, I never skip songs or play a selection of songs. My bad, I should have explained it in my review.
As far as Pale Blue Dot is concerned: I don't like those prog songs were all the riffs are copy pasted, that's why I love Haken for being able to write great transitions. I really tried to understand that song (even writing the themes and the riffs) but I still see a juxtaposition of riffs without any consistence.
To conclude: as I wrote in the introduction of my review for DT world: I'm more than convinced that this album will stir and divide the community (well that's been the case for every DT album :D except Images and SFAM): if you thought Untethered Angel and Fall into the Light were just "wash rinse repeat" songs with a strange production, the rest of the album is not likely to appeal to you. For those who were pleased by those two singles, well, you will love the album IMO.
Haken is an example of a band who writes good transitions because they stick to the structure of the song? Well, if it means playing the same pattern over and over again without anything significant happening, then sure they are that band.
Haken is an example of a band who writes good transitions because they stick to the structure of the song? Well, if it means playing the same pattern over and over again without anything significant happening, then sure they are that band.
:lol that’s kinda what I was thinking. I’ve never listened to Haken and thought “oh wow, these transitions are great”.
When I've heard Haken's last album, I got the impression that I've listened to the same song about four times.
Also, reviewers keep being happy about Rudess not using his crazy wizard sounds. How the hell is that a good thing?!
https://www.rafabasa.com/2019/02/01/dream-theater-entrevista-con-john-petrucci-sobre-el-nuevo-album-y-mas-cosas/ (https://www.rafabasa.com/2019/02/01/dream-theater-entrevista-con-john-petrucci-sobre-el-nuevo-album-y-mas-cosas/)
New interview with JP. It's in Spanish however if the translation is right it looks like MM wrote the main riff for Paralyzed which JP then tweaked. Any Spanish speakers that can clear things up?
When I've heard Haken's last album, I got the impression that I've listened to the same song about four times.
The last Haken album is solid, but not nearly on the level of their first four. For some reason, the production does make the songs all sound kind of samey, even though they aren't, so I know what you mean.
Does anybody know if DT are also going to play SFAM in its entirety on the european leg, at those venues that is not part of a festival? I'm thinking specifically on the show in Aarhus, Denmark. Thanks in advance.OK, I'll paraphrase James here (during one of the recent interviews): This entire next Euro leg is the short programme (90 minutes, no Met2). They will be back in Europe later in the year to perform the full programme (3 hours, Met2 and everything), he thinks in September or thereabouts.
Does anybody know if DT are also going to play SFAM in its entirety on the european leg, at those venues that is not part of a festival? I'm thinking specifically on the show in Aarhus, Denmark. Thanks in advance.OK, I'll paraphrase James here (during one of the recent interviews): This entire next Euro leg is the short programme (90 minutes, no Met2). They will be back in Europe later in the year to perform the full programme (3 hours, Met2 and everything), he thinks in September or thereabouts.
See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_R1Idf0n-U (James elaborates on Room 137 too, worth watching IMHO)
I wouldn't worry too much if I were you, us Europeans are lucky in that respect. As for me, I'll attend the arena tour and not the festivals. More fun for me personally.Cheers mate. Who should have thought, that you'd have to find info like that on a french youtube channel? Even though it's disappointing news in a way, I will definitely get tickets to the show anyhow, and hope they'll come around my corner on the world again, when they decide to do 'an evening with DT' in Europe. :-)Does anybody know if DT are also going to play SFAM in its entirety on the european leg, at those venues that is not part of a festival? I'm thinking specifically on the show in Aarhus, Denmark. Thanks in advance.OK, I'll paraphrase James here (during one of the recent interviews): This entire next Euro leg is the short programme (90 minutes, no Met2). They will be back in Europe later in the year to perform the full programme (3 hours, Met2 and everything), he thinks in September or thereabouts.
See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_R1Idf0n-U (James elaborates on Room 137 too, worth watching IMHO)
I wouldn't worry too much if I were you, us Europeans are lucky in that respect. As for me, I'll attend the arena tour and not the festivals. More fun for me personally.Cheers mate. Who should have thought, that you'd have to find info like that on a french youtube channel? Even though it's disappointing news in a way, I will definitely get tickets to the show anyhow, and hope they'll come around my corner on the world again, when they decide to do 'an evening with DT' in Europe. :-)Does anybody know if DT are also going to play SFAM in its entirety on the european leg, at those venues that is not part of a festival? I'm thinking specifically on the show in Aarhus, Denmark. Thanks in advance.OK, I'll paraphrase James here (during one of the recent interviews): This entire next Euro leg is the short programme (90 minutes, no Met2). They will be back in Europe later in the year to perform the full programme (3 hours, Met2 and everything), he thinks in September or thereabouts.
See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_R1Idf0n-U (James elaborates on Room 137 too, worth watching IMHO)
https://www.rafabasa.com/2019/02/01/dream-theater-entrevista-con-john-petrucci-sobre-el-nuevo-album-y-mas-cosas/ (https://www.rafabasa.com/2019/02/01/dream-theater-entrevista-con-john-petrucci-sobre-el-nuevo-album-y-mas-cosas/)
New interview with JP. It's in Spanish however if the translation is right it looks like MM wrote the main riff for Paralyzed which JP then tweaked. Any Spanish speakers that can clear things up?
I never like bonus tracks on any album I buy, from any artist. I believe in silence after the final track of the album. None of this ‘....but wait, there’s more!’ nonsense 😂
-Untethered Angel: Wow, this song has a lot more going on than I noticed before listening on good speakers. It really does remind me of the best things about Outcry, but has its own definite identity and some really tasty riffage.
-Paralyzed: Opening riff and verse sounds...kind of like a heavier Alter Bridge, and that's a good thing. Nice piano on the second verse. At times also reminds me of Panic Attack. Great song.
-Fall Into the Light: Solid. The middle section is just bliss.
-Barstool Warrior: This is a really surprising, different sound. Much more prog than metal. The vocals are a bit buried, but this is really stellar.
-Room 137: Oh, wow. DT does Blue Murder (the song). :lol I like this. Also very different. Bravo, Mr. Mangini!
-S2N: Lovely bass groove to start us off. Just a fun, fast, bombastic song. Lots going on, and it's mostly all really cool. Outro riff and solo is :metal I'm glad JP and Jordan brought this back.
-At Wit's End: Chaotic. Almost too much at times. Gut wrenching lyrics. Beautiful outro.
-Out of Reach: This is really pretty. I'm really liking the--WHOA, THAT IS SO TWISTED! :lol Is this about what I think it's about?
-Pale Blue Dot: Not sure about this one. It just feels like it has too much going on. But some cool parts. At times, I get the "spacey" vibe JP was talking about. I get a Symphony X vibe a few times. I like the outro. Nice ending.
-Viper King: Oh, cool, they did a Sons of Apollo song. Derek's gonna be pissed that Jordan does a better Derek than Derek. :lol This is fun, but VERY different for DT.
Now that reviews are out, I will briefly share my initial thoughts from my first two listens (since getting my promo copy, I have only listened a couple of times, because I don't want to ruin it).
Question to those who have listened to the album: Why is it titled Distance Over Time?
Question to those who have listened to the album: Why is it titled Distance Over Time?You will find the answer here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6qgzew42vps
I kinda like that folks who loved The Astonishing didn't like DOT. I mean I like TA okay but I don't think it's God's gift to DT's discography and I certainly understand why some people loathe it.
Derek's gonna be pissed that Jordan does a better Derek than Derek. :lol
Now that reviews are out, I will briefly share my initial thoughts from my first two listens (since getting my promo copy, I have only listened a couple of times, because I don't want to ruin it).
I hate to ask a dumb question, but what exactly don't you want to ruin? :lol
I mean, you have the album.
Bosk, how you find vocals overall? I mean UA and FITL have singer friendly and kinda uninsteresting vocals... Do others satisfy you?
Before I begin, I'm not in the mood to argue with anyone who's going to tell me or even remotely imply that my way of doing this is wrong, so don't you even dare go there.What's your policy on instrumental mixes?
For me, the album shall end with Pale Blue Dot and no further. I'm just going to get the standard jewelcase disc. Nine tracks. That is the album and nothing else. I despise all this "bonus tracks" nonsense, especially with a brand new studio album. Either it's worthy to be included on the album or it's not. Bonus tracks are for exploitative "20th anniversary" reissues, not brand new studio releases.
Before I begin, I'm not in the mood to argue with anyone who's going to tell me or even remotely imply that my way of doing this is wrong, so don't you even dare go there.
For me, the album shall end with Pale Blue Dot and no further. I'm just going to get the standard jewelcase disc. Nine tracks. That is the album and nothing else. I despise all this "bonus tracks" nonsense, especially with a brand new studio album. Either it's worthy to be included on the album or it's not. Bonus tracks are for exploitative "20th anniversary" reissues, not brand new studio releases.
Before I begin, I'm not in the mood to argue with anyone who's going to tell me or even remotely imply that my way of doing this is wrong, so don't you even dare go there.
For me, the album shall end with Pale Blue Dot and no further. I'm just going to get the standard jewelcase disc. Nine tracks. That is the album and nothing else. I despise all this "bonus tracks" nonsense, especially with a brand new studio album. Either it's worthy to be included on the album or it's not. Bonus tracks are for exploitative "20th anniversary" reissues, not brand new studio releases.
I think that in one of the interviews, they stated that it would be released on 2/15.
Frank
I think I am going to skip on Paralyzed until the 22nd. UA, Paralyzed and FITL are the first 3 track of the album respectively. I like to listen to new releases from beginning to end, and I think it would be more enjoyable if I have a break in between the songs I already know.
Plus, if Paralyzed is released on the 15th, I think I can wait a week :rollin ;D
I think I am going to skip on Paralyzed until the 22nd. UA, Paralyzed and FITL are the first 3 track of the album respectively. I like to listen to new releases from beginning to end, and I think it would be more enjoyable if I have a break in between the songs I already know.
Plus, if Paralyzed is released on the 15th, I think I can wait a week :rollin ;D
Me too. I don't want to open the new album and have to wait 20 minutes before I hear new music
Anyway, I was even more puzzled when I saw that all the reviews were positive and I blamed myself for not being able to grasp the essence of the album.
Is this finally the album where Mangini has a killer drum intro to a song a la Honor thy Father? Not holding my breath, he and JP seem totally oblivious to the concept :\.
Personally I find all this discussion about bonus track incredibly nonsense, irrational and childish. Other people think otherwise, and that's fine. The world is big enough to think differently.
So that's it. Who doesn't like the bonus track, choose the standard option. If you like bonus track, choose the option with 10 tracks. Everyone happy in the end.
Your favourite band making one extra song and you complain about it.
I don't follow any other band' forums or pages, do they complain too or is this DT speacial?
Is this finally the album where Mangini has a killer drum intro to a song a la Honor thy Father? Not holding my breath, he and JP seem totally oblivious to the concept :\.
New review
https://metalwani.com/2019/02/review-dream-theater-distance-over-time.html
New review
https://metalwani.com/2019/02/review-dream-theater-distance-over-time.html
Wow that was wordy - my distance per unit of time getting through that was pretty damn slow.
Since their genesis in 1985, progressive masters Dream Theater have established an integral brotherhood to the creation of their music, which they decided to touch base with during the production of 'Distance Over Time'. Removing themselves from the regular citified structures in favor of the secluded five-acre Yonderbarn studios, manning barbecues, enjoying bourbon, as well as writing and recording their new record. 'Distance Over Time' is an organic return to roots brought to life by a renewed familial chemistry. There is little wonder as to why these legends and their fans grow more excited for its release on February 22nd.
While the band do indeed have a trademark sound, ‘Distance Over Time’ is artistically brave in both nurturing this sound once again, and aligning it with their current incarnation. The electrifying “Paralyzed” is a strong example of this. From its opening moments with guitarist John Petrucci and drummer Mike Mangini bouncing off each other in a rhythmic interlock, to its large scale moments orchestrated by the versatile vocals of James LaBrie, “Paralyzed” is simply among this albums best.
The highly praised “Fall Into The Light” captures the band in their element, though it was the studio play-through of “Untethered Angel” that showed Dream Theater at some of their progressive best. As Jordan Rudess dances masterfully over his keys, he does so with a technical proficiency that inspires and intimidates as we look on in a jaw dropping giddiness. When watching the bandmates support his moments and effortlessly pass the torch around the room for their own, there's a clear enjoyment among them seen in every track - perhaps none more so than the unexpected ballad “Out Of Reach”.
Dream Theater are no strangers to their wistful, musing and melancholic sides, and “Out Of Reach” is easily one of their best examples of this. Built primarily around a simple recurring melody on piano, and elevated by the subtle nuances in a stripped back performance of bassist John Myung, there's an ethereal atmosphere entrenched in this beautiful piece.
While their loyal fanbase may disagree, Dream Theater have never considered themselves to be an outfit beyond reproach. They have never allowed themselves to become prisoners of their own success. Instead they have retained what they hold dear, but have also kept their eyes forward. With that comes a record that is wildly invigorating, enchantingly emotive, and honors a brotherhood only few have known.
So far I think every review I read sofar are weak. Just based on the flavour and opinion of the reviewer. I want to read some more objective (as far as it could) reviews on style, musicianship, innovation, structures, perspective towards other songs etc. Noxonstyle. More theoretical in a way. I dont care about how much the reviewer likes it as I cannot relate to it.
Your favourite band making one extra song and you complain about it.
I don't follow any other band' forums or pages, do they complain too or is this DT speacial?
I don't know. If my favorite band releases bonus songs in their albums, I'd be all over that and the fanbase would be all over that as well (heck, sometimes, people think the bonus songs really overshadow the worst song of the album and people wished the bonus song was part of the regular CD). Oh wait, they do and they used to have it as a Best Buy exclusive until Best Buy stopped selling CDs and took away the only reason I do business with Best Buy (shows them to take away selling CDs).
Your favourite band making one extra song and you complain about it.
I don't follow any other band' forums or pages, do they complain too or is this DT speacial?
I don't know. If my favorite band releases bonus songs in their albums, I'd be all over that and the fanbase would be all over that as well (heck, sometimes, people think the bonus songs really overshadow the worst song of the album and people wished the bonus song was part of the regular CD). Oh wait, they do and they used to have it as a Best Buy exclusive until Best Buy stopped selling CDs and took away the only reason I do business with Best Buy (shows them to take away selling CDs).
Everything I've read about Viper King sounds amazing. That said, some people believe albums should have a distinct flow and having PBD be an epic closer, but still have 4 minutes of VK after that, is not appealing to some people.
I love the idea of PBD being the last thing I hear before it repeats back to UA. However, I also loved Breaking All Illusions being an epic closer while treating Beneath the Surface as "end credits". I pre-ordered the Bonus Track edition, and I'll treat it the same way. PBD is the conclusion, while VK will be a fun end credits song
What about Barstool Warrior? that seems to have positively surprised many reviewers...No, it's great. Don't get me wrong. It's probably my #3 or #4 on the album. But I suspect that it will be a favorite for a lot of people. I hate to draw comparisons, because I think comparisons to other songs are very personal, and other people will read the comparison and inevitably say, "What? I don't hear that AT ALL." But that said, in terms of kind of overall feel and flavor, the song sort of reminds me of the vibe of TCOT or Blind Faith in some ways.
well, Pale Blue Dot does have that hole djenty vibe going for it, alongside the Imperial March riff. It's a much more rhythmically focused track than riffy...Absolutely. That's a great way to describe it.
well, Pale Blue Dot does have that hole djenty vibe going for it, alongside the Imperial March riff. It's a much more rhythmically focused track than riffy...
What about Barstool Warrior? that seems to have positively surprised many reviewers...No, it's great. Don't get me wrong. It's probably my #3 or #4 on the album. But I suspect that it will be a favorite for a lot of people. I hate to draw comparisons, because I think comparisons to other songs are very personal, and other people will read the comparison and inevitably say, "What? I don't hear that AT ALL." But that said, in terms of kind of overall feel and flavor, the song sort of reminds me of the vibe of TCOT or Blind Faith in some ways.
well, Pale Blue Dot does have that hole djenty vibe going for it, alongside the Imperial March riff. It's a much more rhythmically focused track than riffy...
Yeah even though it's not as rhythmically complex as a Djent type song. More like chugging instead of riffing, but agree in a way.
Agreed with Bosk about rhythm driving the song instead of guitar. It is a very different song, and the whole atmosphere and vibe is something i haven't felt before with a DT song.
As for Barstool Warrior, i think it's one of my favorites alongside At Wit's End.
What about Barstool Warrior? that seems to have positively surprised many reviewers...No, it's great. Don't get me wrong. It's probably my #3 or #4 on the album. But I suspect that it will be a favorite for a lot of people. I hate to draw comparisons, because I think comparisons to other songs are very personal, and other people will read the comparison and inevitably say, "What? I don't hear that AT ALL." But that said, in terms of kind of overall feel and flavor, the song sort of reminds me of the vibe of TCOT or Blind Faith in some ways.
Question on Barstool Warrior- is the short snippet we heard a few months ago (Mangini in the studio playing a beautiful drum "fill" over a keyboard riff) the opening to this song?
Favorite tracks so far: Paralyzed and Room 137.
It's not funny given that these two are his favorite songs, and not objectively best songs on the album
Favorite tracks so far: Paralyzed and Room 137.
Two of the shortest, which is funny because there was a subset of people who complained that there's nothing longer than 10 minutes
Favorite tracks so far: Paralyzed and Room 137.
Two of the shortest, which is funny because there was a subset of people who complained that there's nothing longer than 10 minutes
It's not funny given that these two are his favorite songs, and not objectively best songs on the album
Favorite tracks so far: Paralyzed and Room 137.
Two of the shortest, which is funny because there was a subset of people who complained that there's nothing longer than 10 minutes
Pale Blue Dot is very interesting as well, in a completely different way. As I was listening to it driving in this morning, I think it finally hit me what is so different about it. First off, it is definitely a heavy song. But Jordan and Mike drive everything that is going on in the song. The guitars are definitely there, and in a big way. But I never really feel like the guitars are center stage. They are more there to augment the percussiveness to the song and to bring the heaviness. This is a keyboard and drum-centric song to the hilt. Not sure if Noxon or others who have heard it would agree, but that is definitely how it strikes me. I almost dare not say this for fear it will be taken the wrong way, but I'll say it anyway: Up until John's interlude solo (which is repeated and expanded upon in the outro), you could almost say the guitars aren't really doing much that is interesting, and are there to support the song. It's all just chugging and a few open chords here and there when called for. Again, even though the guitar is really the first instrument you really hear once you get past the intro sounds and the song proper starts, the keyboards and drums drive everything.
Aside from Untethered Angels and Fall into the Light do you know what my favorite tracks are?
Neither do I, because I can't listed to it yet like you guys!!!!!! >:(
Oh, maybe not so good news about PBD! :omg:
Oh, maybe not so good news about PBD! :omg:
Depends what you mean by that. But I think Barstool Warrior will likely be a favorite that could reach "classic" status.I second that: Barstool Warrior could reach that status. Instant hit, the most "progressive" track, the intro reminds me of the good old days of LTE and Rudess Morgenstein Project. But of course only time will tell.
Yeah i agree, i also think that Barstool Warrior is the most "DT magic" track.I was (and still am) confused about that end, it's really strange and I don't know what they wanted to achieve by ending the song like that. The solo before the fade out is so great IMO so why ending the song like that?
Also i find myself coming back to At Wit's End, and that ending is so majestic...
this is a new interview with James and JP (and no, it's not another Spanish comedy show on TV): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcMGyvmFXwg
some of those here who are fluent in Spanish might understand the questions
I was (and still am) confused about that end, it's really strange and I don't know what they wanted to achieve by ending the song like that. The solo before the fade out is so great IMO so why ending the song like that?Oh great, so it's like A New Beginning where they faded out? That's too bad. Unlike The Astonishing, they had space on this record to extend a solo :lol
They already were revealed some time ago, were they? (or I didn't catch your joke). In case I overstepped boundaries, I would be sorry about that.
I was (and still am) confused about that end, it's really strange and I don't know what they wanted to achieve by ending the song like that. The solo before the fade out is so great IMO so why ending the song like that?Oh great, so it's like A New Beginning where they faded out? That's too bad. Unlike The Astonishing, they had space on this record to extend a solo :lol
I was (and still am) confused about that end, it's really strange and I don't know what they wanted to achieve by ending the song like that. The solo before the fade out is so great IMO so why ending the song like that?Oh great, so it's like A New Beginning where they faded out? That's too bad. Unlike The Astonishing, they had space on this record to extend a solo :lol
No iPads? There goes Derek's promotional fodder for SOA2.
We can see a bit of the digipack edition here (use your mouse): https://www.amazon.de/Distance-Over-Time-Ltd-Digipak/dp/B07KZKCFR5/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1549486380&sr=8-2&keywords=distance+over+time
Being in Australia, I was just notified "Paralyzed" is now available for me to download on iTunes (pre-ordered the album). Love it. The first 3 tracks from this album are fantastic in my book, pumped for the 22nd!
I would tend to think so (whenever midnight on Friday is in your part of the world), of course I don't know for sure, but it's likely.Being in Australia, I was just notified "Paralyzed" is now available for me to download on iTunes (pre-ordered the album). Love it. The first 3 tracks from this album are fantastic in my book, pumped for the 22nd!
Oh wow, hopefully its available in other countries soon!
;D #teamIWantToHearTheAlbumOnlyAfterIt'sOut
I admire those of you with the patience to wait, but I know I'll be staying up to midnight tonight! :lol
I admire those of you with the patience to wait, but I know I'll be staying up to midnight tonight! :lol
Favorite tracks so far: Paralyzed and Room 137.
Two of the shortest, which is funny because there was a subset of people who complained that there's nothing longer than 10 minutes
Don't get me wrong. I love when Dream Theater goes wild but not every song has to be a 15 minute epic and some songs don't need it. Throw in a nice solo like in the song "Lie" and be done with it
If anyone's doing it, one DT album a day starting on Saturday (9th) will take you up to D/T release day.
If anyone's doing it, one DT album a day starting on Saturday (9th) will take you up to D/T release day.
Oooh that's a great idea.
I haven't timed it, but I started with WDADU on January 22nd and am only listening in my car on the way to and from work. Right now I'm at Vacant, and hope to finish by release day.
If anyone's doing it, one DT album a day starting on Saturday (9th) will take you up to D/T release day.
When DT said they wanted to please the fanbase with this album, these three songs make me think that it's nu-metal fanbase they want to please, and not prog/musician fanbase. I doubt these three songs can even be considered as prog
Honestly, listening to it in reverse order was a different experience than doing it in correct order.
I'm very concerned for the rest of the album now after all the people saying this was one of the best tracks. I hope I will never hear this song again after I listen to the whole album when it gets released
When DT said they wanted to please the fanbase with this album, these three songs make me think that it's nu-metal fanbase they want to please, and not prog/musician fanbase. I doubt these three songs can even be considered as prog
You'll know in 15 days. ;)lol, thought it was worth a try!
You'll know in 15 days. ;)lol, thought it was worth a try!
If you had to compare the new album with one of the older ones, which one would it be?
JP: It'd be a combination between Awake, Train of Thought and Scenes from a Memory [...] There's some parts where we experimented with breaks or rhythms that we usually don't do like swing or shuffle. This is an album where improvisation emerged live and it sounds very cool.
A few years have passed already and there's been a lot of statements about it, but I wanted to know first hand from you what happened with Mike Portnoy, from your standpoint and why your paths had to split.
JP: The best would be for you to ask Mike directly, he left. It's something he felt had to do. To me it was very sad. We met when we were in Berklee at 18 years old and shared a band for 25 years, so it saddened me, but at the same time the band moved forward and it was another step in our career. Sometimes these things happen, people don't stay in bands forever sometimes.
But he's happy doing what he does in his multiple bands, and we've had a lot of success since his departure and are very happy with what we're doing with Mike Mangini, already for 8 years. Anyway, I don't want to talk for Mike Portnoy, you have to ask him about his motives and feelings to know about that.
Says video not available for me...
It should show as available in your time zone once you get to the appropriate release time.
It should show as available in your time zone once you get to the appropriate release time.
That is time discrimination!!
I'm very concerned for the rest of the album now after all the people saying this was one of the best tracks. I hope I will never hear this song again after I listen to the whole album when it gets released
When DT said they wanted to please the fanbase with this album, these three songs make me think that it's nu-metal fanbase they want to please, and not prog/musician fanbase. I doubt these three songs can even be considered as prog
I haven't heard the song yet, but LORD have MERCY on my poor soul that artwork is HORRENDOUS. Like it's Selena Gomez/Marshmello - Wolves levels of bad
I haven't heard the song yet, but LORD have MERCY on my poor soul that artwork is HORRENDOUS. Like it's Selena Gomez/Marshmello - Wolves levels of bad
Wow, it surprises me how people don't know by now the VPN workaround to avoid the time zone bullshit :\ ... so here i am, your savior.
In your internet browser (i have firefox) download "touchVPN" (the extension), then setup a VPN from Russia (Australia isn't available) ... done
Okay, I think we're ok to discuss the single now?
I'm not really feeling this one. As someone who loved UA & FITL, Paralyzed seems... unsatisfying. The verses are great, the riff is okay, I like the build-up, but just when I expect the song to ramp up into this big chorus, it just goes straight to the interlude & onto the next section. Basically, my biggest issue is that the "chorus" feels more like a pre-chorus to something else that never arrives. It almost feels like they had another chorus in there in an earlier write, but then decided it to edit it out for some reason. I find it really awkward.
Maybe the song will work better in an album context (I could see it working as like a transition song between UA & FITL), but as a single, I'm not a huge fan.
& that kinda saddens me, because I was super hyped for the album before, & now I'm just worried. :sad:
Wow, it surprises me how people don't know by now the VPN workaround to avoid the time zone bullshit :\ ... so here i am, your savior.Probably not the best idea to explain how to obtain music unofficially on here pal.
In your internet browser (i have firefox) download "touchVPN" (the extension), then setup a VPN from Russia (Australia isn't available) ... done
For mobile download TunnelBear, works in the same way.
(I know, you are probably throwing money at your screen right now)
*snip*
The Privacy Policy on the official “website” just loops back to the Home Page, so we had to consult the one on the Northghost site. The company collects the following data:
Anonymous information, including hardware specifications, approximate geolocation, date of software installation, browser type/version, operating system (version/language), registry entries, the dates of your visits, URL r4equests, and timestamps.
Personal information, including name, email address, IP address, payment info, and screen name. If you connect to TouchVPN through a third-party service like Facebook, it will gain access to the information you have on your profile as well.
TouchVPN admits to logging user data during every connection. This is the epitome of a deal breaker since the said data also includes the pages you visit, activity timestamps, unique identifiers that were generated for your device (mobile number if you’re using TouchVPN on your phone), and other information VPN services should never have access to. TouchVPN also uses cookies, web beacons, and pixel tags.
(from https://www.thevpnlab.com/is-touchvpn-safe/)
Probably not the best idea to explain how to obtain music unofficially on here pal.
Someone had posted the "official" link to the song. The VPN thing is just a service.
Mangini is really on fire in this song and I can feel his personality as he does a lot of these patterns in his drum solos.
Mangini is really on fire in this song and I can feel his personality as he does a lot of these patterns in his drum solos.
Does anyone else hear those quiet blips/clicks on the right channel during the intro while the guitar is playing in the left channel? Strange. Great song though!
Does anyone else hear those quiet blips/clicks on the right channel during the intro while the guitar is playing in the left channel? Strange. Great song though!
I don't hear that. Are you listening on iTunes or something else?
I'm going to listen, it's going to be amazing, and others are going to say it's absolute rubbish. Both opinions can't be right and I know I'm going to have to constantly leap into the defensive about my favourite band of all time.Or you could simply just accept that they can.
Feeling so positive about this album. They've moved in exactly the direction i wanted to in terms of working as a unit with a fun, spontaneous vibe. I'm not bothered whether it's short, long, poppy, heavy or "proggy". It just needs to sound "engaged", for want of a better term.
Nice.
This new one I like a lot, it has a groovy immediacy about it. Beautiful guitar tone from JP too.
Judging by the three singles, I have a feeling this album is going to be really special. There is a consistency to the sound that I am really digging. Sounds to me like Train of Thought meets DT12. Looking forward to hearing the rest.Yes, I did. Same thing you described happened to me too. My guess is that we will find these when the album is released, I could be wrong.
Has anyone pre-ordered the album on Amazon? I have, but the three singles don't appear in my Amazon Music app, no matter what I do :(
Mangini is really on fire in this song and I can feel his personality as he does a lot of these patterns in his drum solos.
Feeling so positive about this album. They've moved in exactly the direction i wanted to in terms of working as a unit with a fun, spontaneous vibe. I'm not bothered whether it's short, long, poppy, heavy or "proggy". It just needs to sound "engaged", for want of a better term.
Nice.
My thoughts entirely. 3 really cool songs released so far, making for an extremely solid beginning to the album. This new one I like a lot, it has a groovy immediacy about it. Beautiful guitar tone from JP too.
Mangini is really on fire in this song and I can feel his personality as he does a lot of these patterns in his drum solos.
For sure. But one of the things that really makes the song for me, which I have not seen mentioned yet, is Jordan's beautiful piano underneath that heavy guitar. So awesome!
If you try to sell 10 people on DT, 50% will love it, 25% will not, and the other 25% won't know what to think
Can't really put my finger on why, but i think Paralyzed is my favorite performance by Mangini in DT. The drums are "simple" (simple for him, that is), cool and they SOUND incredible, too.
Can't really put my finger on why, but i think Paralyzed is my favorite performance by Mangini in DT. The drums are "simple" (simple for him, that is), cool and they SOUND incredible, too.
It's a really solid performance by him, nothing super flashy, but his drumming just fits everything really nicely in the song. The production of the drums certainly helps, this record is the best his kit has sounded in the studio with DT yet.
Can't really put my finger on why, but i think Paralyzed is my favorite performance by Mangini in DT. The drums are "simple" (simple for him, that is), cool and they SOUND incredible, too.
It's a really solid performance by him, nothing super flashy, but his drumming just fits everything really nicely in the song. The production of the drums certainly helps, this record is the best his kit has sounded in the studio with DT yet.
I find all of that to be true, not only of this song, but of his drumming on the entire album (except for the "flashy" part--there is definitely enough flash elsewhere on the album, when it is appropriate and called for).
Okay, I think we're ok to discuss the single now?
I'm not really feeling this one. As someone who loved UA & FITL, Paralyzed seems... unsatisfying. The verses are great, the riff is okay, I like the build-up, but just when I expect the song to ramp up into this big chorus, it just goes straight to the interlude & onto the next section. Basically, my biggest issue is that the "chorus" feels more like a pre-chorus to something else that never arrives. It almost feels like they had another chorus in there in an earlier write, but then decided it to edit it out for some reason. I find it really awkward.
Maybe the song will work better in an album context (I could see it working as like a transition song between UA & FITL), but as a single, I'm not a huge fan.
& that kinda saddens me, because I was super hyped for the album before, & now I'm just worried. :sad:
I think I might be depressed. My favourite band of all time, a band that have never put out a bad album (imo), are about to release brand new music and I'm nowhere near as excited about it as I should be. It's frustrating. I know what's going to happen. I'm going to listen, it's going to be amazing, and others are going to say it's absolute rubbish. Both opinions can't be right and I know I'm going to have to constantly leap into the defensive about my favourite band of all time. On the other hand, I really want to share my enthusiasm and love for this music with people who share the same positive feelings about it. This tussle back and forth is immensely tiring.
Okay, I think we're ok to discuss the single now?
I am a sucker for memorable choruses. Look at all of the songs from Awake. You name one and you know the chorus right away. For my tastes that is what a number of modern Dream Theater songs are missing.
On the brighter side I still consider every Dream Theater release "A Gift Divine"
Thanks very much for posting these links. I really never considered that they would sell out. Good news, I guess.all is not lost, look here: https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/poprock/detail/-/art/dream-theater-distance-over-time/hnum/8882813 (artbook link) or here: https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/poprock/detail/-/art/dream-theater-distance-over-time/hnum/8882822 (deluxe link), this is my German online store of choice and they're great, not just because of cheap worldwide rates. I'd give them a go if you still want either variety of the box set.Soooo, if anyone was looking to order the Artbook or Box Set from Amazon, they're currently listed as "Unavailable". My guess is that their allotted number of pre-orders were met in the last day or two, so I'm guessing they're not going to get any more of the Box Sets. I guess dropping the price to just under $120 made every on-the-fence fan pull the trigger on buying (it did for me!).
-Marc.
Just went to pre-oder the box set and saw it's unavailable. I'm super disappointed. Congrats on yours!
Note: The links I posted are meant to serve as an alternative for those who weren't able to buy the box set editions. Nothing more. Now that the snippets are removed, they should be allowed here.
I think I might be depressed. My favourite band of all time, a band that have never put out a bad album (imo), are about to release brand new music and I'm nowhere near as excited about it as I should be. It's frustrating. I know what's going to happen. I'm going to listen, it's going to be amazing, and others are going to say it's absolute rubbish. Both opinions can't be right and I know I'm going to have to constantly leap into the defensive about my favourite band of all time. On the other hand, I really want to share my enthusiasm and love for this music with people who share the same positive feelings about it. This tussle back and forth is immensely tiring.
If you can find it in yourself to refrain from that kind of interaction (convincing people something you like is good), it'll be good for you. I have a much healthier relationship with music compared to when I used to suffer about this kind of thing. Now I just try to think "it hits all the right spots for ME and for enough people that they have an audience and can keep going, so who cares if people don't enjoy it". I don't know if me saying this even helps, but I just want you to feel less concerned about what others feel about this band.
Great song, by the way! The stuff from this album is going to work beautifully live
Where are the epic melodies and the huge OTT build ups? :sadpanda:
I think I might be depressed. My favourite band of all time, a band that have never put out a bad album (imo), are about to release brand new music and I'm nowhere near as excited about it as I should be. It's frustrating. I know what's going to happen. I'm going to listen, it's going to be amazing, and others are going to say it's absolute rubbish. Both opinions can't be right and I know I'm going to have to constantly leap into the defensive about my favourite band of all time. On the other hand, I really want to share my enthusiasm and love for this music with people who share the same positive feelings about it. This tussle back and forth is immensely tiring.
If you can find it in yourself to refrain from that kind of interaction (convincing people something you like is good), it'll be good for you. I have a much healthier relationship with music compared to when I used to suffer about this kind of thing. Now I just try to think "it hits all the right spots for ME and for enough people that they have an audience and can keep going, so who cares if people don't enjoy it". I don't know if me saying this even helps, but I just want you to feel less concerned about what others feel about this band.
Great song, by the way! The stuff from this album is going to work beautifully live
I wish I could. It's especially upsetting as this is supposed to be a forum of Dream Theater fans, yet I seem to find endless criticism of them. To me, a fan supports the artists and loves the music. It is one hell of a drug though, seeking out people who are as enthusiastic for the music as you are. When you find someone who shares your enthusiasm and love for a band or a song, it is the greatest thing in the universe! But unfortunately, it's like trying to find the hay in the needle stack. (Yes, that's a deliberate twist on the usual phrase. Negativity is like needles.)
Where are the epic melodies and the huge OTT build ups? :sadpanda:
Probably in the other 7 songs that haven't been revealed to the public yet?
Judging by the three singles, I have a feeling this album is going to be really special. There is a consistency to the sound that I am really digging. Sounds to me like Train of Thought meets DT12. Looking forward to hearing the rest.Yes, I did. Same thing you described happened to me too. My guess is that we will find these when the album is released, I could be wrong.
Has anyone pre-ordered the album on Amazon? I have, but the three singles don't appear in my Amazon Music app, no matter what I do :(
Still probably the best single.
Where are the epic melodies and the huge OTT build ups? :sadpanda:
Probably in the other 7 songs that haven't been revealed to the public yet?
So you reckon the three "singles" may just be completely unrepresentative of the rest of the album?
Hey, you may be right, but it's looking pretty doubtful at this stage isn't it?
For those who have heard the album, what is the one track where each member really shines? As in, Jordan's best track, JP's, etc...Coming back to this, here's my short take on which members shine on each song:
Where are the epic melodies and the huge OTT build ups? :sadpanda:
Probably in the other 7 songs that haven't been revealed to the public yet?
So you reckon the three "singles" may just be completely unrepresentative of the rest of the album?
Hey, you may be right, but it's looking pretty doubtful at this stage isn't it?
Not completely unrepresentative, but in my opinion OTBOA was not as good as the rest of the tracks that came after. TGOM and Moment of Betrayal were not representative of The Astonishing as a whole at all.
These 3 singles have so far shown me freshness and energy. Sure UA is "DT by numbers", and there are some things to criticize about FITL and Paralyzed, but for the most part these sound fun and inspired. That's the message they're trying to convey with the singles, and I'm sure that the epic melodies and great moments wouldn't have been revealed too early.
Lot's of people bitching about Prarlyzed on YouTube. Comparisons to Breaking Benjamin abound also.
Personally, I like the song. I always thought it would do DT some good to write simple songs in 4/4 time. They did a good job with this one. No, it's not Dance of Eternity but does every song need to be that or Metropolis Part 1? If you want a radio friendly song, here it is. Is it the greatest song they've done? No.
Mangini has a good groove going here. The atmospheres with Rudess and the subtle piano in the background is a nice touch.
My only issue with the song is that LJB seems monotone in his singing. Maybe emotionless is a better word. The other guys seem into it and JLB seems just...there.
I give the song a 6.5 out of 10 upon first listen. Like everything else with DT for me, the songs grow over time.
I guess the problem with a band as diverse as DT is that everyone will have his or her own favorite aspects of their sound, so they're never gonna please everyone.
Judging by the three singles, I have a feeling this album is going to be really special. There is a consistency to the sound that I am really digging. Sounds to me like Train of Thought meets DT12. Looking forward to hearing the rest.Same here, but maybe it's too early ?
Has anyone pre-ordered the album on Amazon? I have, but the three singles don't appear in my Amazon Music app, no matter what I do :(
Still probably the best single.
There is noooo way Paralyzed beats out FITL.
Still probably the best single.
There is noooo way Paralyzed beats out FITL.
For those who have heard the album, what is the one track where each member really shines? As in, Jordan's best track, JP's, etc...
-Viper King: Derek
The anger, the pressure, you're choking down
Your words again, feel the nerves set in
Unspoken frustration, they see right through you
Paper thin, like the ghost within
A heart that feels no pain
Addicted to the game
Breaking beneath the strain
I am paralyzed
The stare of a stranger, is like a wound
That bleeds again, silent as the dead
The victim, the martyr, like Daniel
In the lion's den, time and time again
A heart that feels no pain
Addicted to the game
Breaking beneath the strain
I am paralyzed
I am paralyzed
A heart that feels no pain
Addicted to the game
Relentless phantom trail
What do you stand to gain?
Viewing life through such a narrow, fractured lens
Will ensure you end up on the losing end
Breaking beneath the strain
I am paralyzed
I am paralyzed
I am paralyzed
I am paralyzed
I am paralyzed
Still probably the best single.
There is noooo way Paralyzed beats out FITL.
Exactly.
Can't really put my finger on why, but i think Paralyzed is my favorite performance by Mangini in DT. The drums are "simple" (simple for him, that is), cool and they SOUND incredible, too.
It's a really solid performance by him, nothing super flashy, but his drumming just fits everything really nicely in the song. The production of the drums certainly helps, this record is the best his kit has sounded in the studio with DT yet.
I find all of that to be true, not only of this song, but of his drumming on the entire album (except for the "flashy" part--there is definitely enough flash elsewhere on the album, when it is appropriate and called for).
Probably the best vocal melodies of the three singles so far but, considering everyone is talking about this newfound energy in the material because they were all in the same room, I’m getting no energy at all in the vocals. They’re not bad or out of tune but almost like someone would sing a demo, not putting their all into it as it’s not the final version. Not saying James was not giving his all but it just sounds lacking in energy and excitement. If you look back at my posts, I am a huge admirer of JLB and always defend him but I’m not feeling him on these songs yet.
This is a new interview with JP: https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8497269/a-retreat-with-gear-guitarist-john-petrucci-on-how-dream-theater?fbclid=IwAR0V9VF_odazhyLm-P2iV9a9BQlodJIiWeIBZkykGSos_BjAptKVS_79224
Its hard to even hear JLB enough to access his vocals. They just drown him in effects. Why they do this I have no idea. Nobody on this board seems to want those effects on his vocals.
Its hard to even hear JLB enough to access his vocals. They just drown him in effects. Why they do this I have no idea. Nobody on this board seems to want those effects on his vocals.
I think it is obvious why. I have always been a big fan of JLB's voice, and while his occasional live struggles were usually no big deal to me since he could always bring it in the studio, based on what I have heard from the three songs released, the days of JLB killing it on a regular basis in the studio are likely over. And to be fair, he is 55 now, and has abused the crap out of his voice for nearly three decades now (think of how many shows DT has done and how long their shows often are), so a decline was inevitable. I know I will get push back on this, but it's what my ears are telling me.
Edit: I thought Paralyzed was a solid tune. No more, no less.
Its hard to even hear JLB enough to access his vocals. They just drown him in effects. Why they do this I have no idea. Nobody on this board seems to want those effects on his vocals.
I think it is obvious why. I have always been a big fan of JLB's voice, and while his occasional live struggles were usually no big deal to me since he could always bring it in the studio, based on what I have heard from the three songs released, the days of JLB killing it on a regular basis in the studio are likely over. And to be fair, he is 55 now, and has abused the crap out of his voice for nearly three decades now (think of how many shows DT has done and how long their shows often are), so a decline was inevitable. I know I will get push back on this, but it's what my ears are telling me.
Edit: I thought Paralyzed was a solid tune. No more, no less.
...While I know that album was 10 years ago, this seems more of a stylistic choice than a vocal limitation...
Wait, we're now abbreviating one-word song titles? :biggrin:
Wait, we're now abbreviating one-word song titles? :biggrin:
Y
Wait, we're now abbreviating one-word song titles? :biggrin:
Y
I Just listened to F, D, R, R and R in that order. (no kidding) :rollin
Wait, we're now abbreviating one-word song titles? :biggrin:
Y
I Just listened to F, D, R, R and R in that order. (no kidding) :rollin
Wait, we're now abbreviating one-word song titles? :biggrin:
Y
I Just listened to F, D, R, R and R in that order. (no kidding) :rollin
Forsaken, Disappear, Repentance, and Ravenskill....what's the third R?!
(Used this as reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Dream_Theater )
-Marc.
Did not dig this song either, but Mangini is sounding more lively and more energetic, which I enjoy.
Exactly. The day may come when he cannot nail it in the studio anymore. But that day is not yet come. First off, I don't think the effects used would mask a poor vocal performance. As said, it really seems to be a stylistic choice. Second, there are PLENTY of awesome vocal moments on the album. I would say the album, overall, is definitely more singer-friendly than past albums. But it isn't a shoddy vocal performance by any stretch.
The song is already growing! The melody is very nice and happy to say Mangini sounds really good!
The song is already growing! The melody is very nice and happy to say Mangini sounds really good!
Agreed, just listened to it back to back with headphones and sounded amazing. Mangini does some very cool things towards the end as well.
While listening to it I was thinking about Eddie Trunk talking about if Portnoy would rejoin DT. I seriously hope he never does. I love the last four albums and the direction the band is going in. Plus I look forward to Mangini's drumming on every track.
And I think this is the best JP has ever sounded. The guitars the tone has sonic color and is aggressive but without any of the feeling of compression making it too tight, which makes the actual sound absolutely massive.
And I think this is the best JP has ever sounded. The guitars the tone has sonic color and is aggressive but without any of the feeling of compression making it too tight, which makes the actual sound absolutely massive.
Yeah, I was just thinking earlier today that of all guitar mixes/tones on past albums, THIS is definitely the "chocolate cake" he was looking for on DT12.
Its hard to even hear JLB enough to access his vocals. They just drown him in effects. Why they do this I have no idea. Nobody on this board seems to want those effects on his vocals.
I think it is obvious why. I have always been a big fan of JLB's voice, and while his occasional live struggles were usually no big deal to me since he could always bring it in the studio, based on what I have heard from the three songs released, the days of JLB killing it on a regular basis in the studio are likely over. And to be fair, he is 55 now, and has abused the crap out of his voice for nearly three decades now (think of how many shows DT has done and how long their shows often are), so a decline was inevitable. I know I will get push back on this, but it's what my ears are telling me.
Edit: I thought Paralyzed was a solid tune. No more, no less.
And I think this is the best JP has ever sounded. The guitars the tone has sonic color and is aggressive but without any of the feeling of compression making it too tight, which makes the actual sound absolutely massive.
Yeah, I was just thinking earlier today that of all guitar mixes/tones on past albums, THIS is definitely the "chocolate cake" he was looking for on DT12.
Funny you say that. I pulled up Enemy Inside and I can hear a lot of the same things in the guitar sound, but it doesn't translate the same way. And I *like* the DT12 mix.
Breaking Benjamin... that's a very generic rock band
A friend of mine from Turkey who listens the album says At Wit's End, S2N and Out Of Reach have extremely satisfaying vocal melodies and James delivers them just perfect. He thinks it's like hearing SDOIT, SC and I&W in his style.
So I hope "the day" is not yet come too. Because, for me James is the main reason I love this band and what I seek first is the satisfaying vocal melodies.
Never mixed vocals i guess or had any knnowledge about vocal recording.
In no way you can hide a vocal inability in a mix. In the mixes so far i hear a strong studio performance by Labrie with added FX to meet a more mechanic 'metalized' touch.
You think they aren't that generic? I like them, but all their songs are very similar.
You think they aren't that generic? I like them, but all their songs are very similar.
Within their own catalog I guess there's not a huge difference, but relative to other bands I think they're pretty recognizable.
I surely hope that's the worst track off the album. I've listened three times and other than Mangini going off, this really isn't doing it. And I am voting against that guitar tone.
;D #teamIWantToHearTheAlbumOnlyAfterIt'sOut
I'm in too.
B.Lee
I don't know what world I live in. I've never heard of Breaking Benjamin before Paralyzed.
Only heard it once this morning, but reallyfixed some minor mistakes for you ;Ddiddig it. Definitely sounds like James Labrie solo album onlybetterslightly worse. :)
I'm really digging Paralyzed, but the video feels... well, I don't really know how it feels. Like it just "is", but that's it. Generic, maybe? I don't know. I like the song, which is really all that matters. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯NOD Antivirus stock footage or product placement ;D
I find it odd that people comment on vocal effects like there have never been any before. I think Octavarium was the album with the most effects on the vocals - The Root of all evil, Panic attack and Never enough are the best examples. It's a fine choice artistically and it sounds cool most of the time. I didn't come from listening to Untethered angel thinking they went too far with the vocal effects, it sounded very familiar to me.
You think they aren't that generic? I like them, but all their songs are very similar.
Within their own catalog I guess there's not a huge difference, but relative to other bands I think they're pretty recognizable.
I dont know, their music is super catchy to me and I love Ben's vocals, but I've never seen them as anything other than generic hard rock personally. Not really trying to take a shot at them, I do like them. I've seen them three times, first time in 2004 before they were famous at a small club in PA. Even when I was introduced to them with thier first album, my thoughts were "this is pretty generic, but I love it." And I've felt the "generic" part is why they are so popular because it's just easy music to consume. To each their own, I don't think I'll change your opinion so just trying to explain how I see it.
Anyone else really like the way James sings "martyr" at 1:48
Marduurrrr
Never mixed vocals i guess or had any knnowledge about vocal recording.
In no way you can hide a vocal inability in a mix. In the mixes so far i hear a strong studio performance by Labrie with added FX to meet a more mechanic 'metalized' touch.
To clarify, by no means do I think JLB has "lost it"; I just think his voice isn't quite what it used to be, which I can't imagine anyone would disagree with. Good luck finding a singer who sings in that style who sounds as good as 55 as he did at 25, 35 or even 45.
DT is a sum of many parts, and the importance of those parts are different from person to person. I don't get the need for people to say "I don't want DT to play -that-, because I don't like that".
I don't know what world I live in. I've never heard of Breaking Benjamin before Paralyzed.
Neither had I, and I'm going to assume TAC hasn't either. So don't feel alone.
Are we sure Paralyzed isn’t the bonus track?
The last thing I want in my DT music is Alterbridge.
"DT is only <this> for me, and if DT does something that is outside of my accepted definition of <this>, it's bad."
Man, 20 years of dealing with the DT fan community, and the same noise is still murmuring.
DT is a sum of many parts, and the importance of those parts are different from person to person. I don't get the need for people to say "I don't want DT to play -that-, because I don't like that".
I'm not sure there's a song I can point to, but I can definitely point to albums. If you were to follow the loud people on the forums when Train of Thought was released, it was VERY poorly received by a certain portion of the fan base. Now it's regarded as a high point of their discography.
Hmm, maybe Misunderstood - I remember that was very much hated upon due to the experimental portions of the track...
I'm not sure there's a song I can point to, but I can definitely point to albums. If you were to follow the loud people on the forums when Train of Thought was released, it was VERY poorly received by a certain portion of the fan base. Now it's regarded as a high point of their discography.
Hmm, maybe Misunderstood - I remember that was very much hated upon due to the experimental portions of the track...
I'm not sure there's a song I can point to, but I can definitely point to albums. If you were to follow the loud people on the forums when Train of Thought was released, it was VERY poorly received by a certain portion of the fan base. Now it's regarded as a high point of their discography.
Hmm, maybe Misunderstood - I remember that was very much hated upon due to the experimental portions of the track...
I'm not sure there's a song I can point to, but I can definitely point to albums. If you were to follow the loud people on the forums when Train of Thought was released, it was VERY poorly received by a certain portion of the fan base. Now it's regarded as a high point of their discography.
Hmm, maybe Misunderstood - I remember that was very much hated upon due to the experimental portions of the track...
ToT split the fan base because it was such a radical departure from their previous style. In those days there were still a lot of "old progheads" into Dream Theater who liked Yes and Genesis, those usually did not like this much more metal-oriented album. After ToT, quite a noticeable change in the fan base on this forum happened, with a lot more metalheads coming in.
So, I think one major reason ToT has done well over time is because it kinda created its own fanbase on this forum and elsewhere.
I'm not sure there's a song I can point to, but I can definitely point to albums. If you were to follow the loud people on the forums when Train of Thought was released, it was VERY poorly received by a certain portion of the fan base. Now it's regarded as a high point of their discography.
Hmm, maybe Misunderstood - I remember that was very much hated upon due to the experimental portions of the track...
Very true. I wonder if some of the re-evaluation after initial thoughts come about, because after many more time and albums, they realise that TOT (in this case) was actually something different and worthwhile. What I mean, is that after a concept album and a 2-disc experimental album, it was actually different to go back to a concise, all metal album. While those that had loved the previous two releases were perhaps at the time confused to where this metal album came from, what we can now see is cool songs performed live, in an album that was a great change of pace, and now fits well with albums that have come after it. So, those extra years and album releases now provide more context for TOT amongst the DT discography if that makes sense...
The thing is that DT's discography is so broad that there's probably something for everybody (within the prog/rock/metal boundaries), and this kind of creates a problem, because you have one side of the spectrum who likes the softer/proggier side of things and the other side which are people who generally prefer the heavier stuff. Of course there's a lot of people in between, as this isn't a mutually exclusive case, but those two opposite sides exist and can be very vocal about things. Every time a new album comes, it's definitely going to be liked by a section of the fanbase and disliked by other, and that's fine. What I just can't understand is the people who come to these places (DTF, Reddit, DT social media, etc) just to complain about everything they do.
And it shouldn't be a surprise really. When they signed with RR, they really doubled down on the metal aspect, and these days "returning back to the roots" for DT usually means a heavy-hitting metal album.
As a fan of Genesis, Yes, Floyd, Styx and not a fan of any post 80's metal bands though I always hope for the more progressive side of DT.
I think the vocals are in a range that James really shines in, where he can sing naturally and where his emotion really comes out. I don't think there's any coincidence that his solo albums are being compared to this song.
I like all the three songs sofar. Im glad they got rid of the pointless wankery after BC&SL and able to produce such concise songs as Paralyzed. What suprises me a bit is the difference in style between the songs as if they come from different albums. In that way Im curious about the album as a total arrangement.
They sound like they come from the same album sessions because of the production, but can you really say that about the song styles? What is the similarity in style of UA and FitL?
That's a weird criticism/remark. What, other than production, tells you Another Day is the same album as Pull Me Under? What, other than production, tells you The Silent Man is the same album as Lie? How about Hollow Years and Just Let Me Breathe? That's kinda what DT has been all about...
"DT is only <this> for me, and if DT does something that is outside of my accepted definition of <this>, it's bad.":metal :metal :metal :tup :tup :tup
Man, 20 years of dealing with the DT fan community, and the same noise is still murmuring.
DT is a sum of many parts, and the importance of those parts are different from person to person. I don't get the need for people to say "I don't want DT to play -that-, because I don't like that".
One thing that impresses me about the reviews so far is that none of them point to the 3 pre-released songs as highlights of the album. The reviews make it seem like the songs get even more interesting after track 3, in which case it's very excitingAgreed! :tup
this actually is my theory as well (and I hoped for this to happen too, I'm not saying tracks 1-3 are bad by any means, I like these too)One thing that impresses me about the reviews so far is that none of them point to the 3 pre-released songs as highlights of the album. The reviews make it seem like the songs get even more interesting after track 3, in which case it's very excitingAgreed! :tup
this actually is my theory as well (and I hoped for this to happen too, I'm not saying tracks 1-3 are bad by any means, I like these too)One thing that impresses me about the reviews so far is that none of them point to the 3 pre-released songs as highlights of the album. The reviews make it seem like the songs get even more interesting after track 3, in which case it's very excitingAgreed! :tup
I'm not sure how it is a "theory," since almost everybody who has listened to the album says that, although the first three songs are really good, what comes after is even stronger.that has to do with the fact that I had this in mind before I read the fan club reviews (or any reviews for that matter) and right after I listened to FITL for the first time. I'm aware that my choice of words might have been odd.
One thing that impresses me about the reviews so far is that none of them point to the 3 pre-released songs as highlights of the album. The reviews make it seem like the songs get even more interesting after track 3, in which case it's very exciting
The rest of the album potentially being even better than Fall into the Light has me even more excited for this album
So seems like Dream Theater are coming to Greece after 8 years.
My review is also up, unfortunately for you it's in greek and didn't have the time to translate it.
You may read it with google translate help here: https://www.rocking.gr/reviews/album/Dream-Theater-Distance-Over-Time/8220
If they don't add up Turkey dates soon I'll come to Greece. See you. :tup
So seems like Dream Theater are coming to Greece after 8 years.
My review is also up, unfortunately for you it's in greek and didn't have the time to translate it.
You may read it with google translate help here: https://www.rocking.gr/reviews/album/Dream-Theater-Distance-Over-Time/8220
This is just poor planning on the labels part. Now we have to wait an additional week to get our delivery. They should now send us a download link on release day.
Frank
Hope this isn't a repeat of the Astonishing fiasco lol :biggrin:
Realize that.....Just making light of the situation ;)Hope this isn't a repeat of the Astonishing fiasco lol :biggrin:
Its not like they have to 3D print a really detailed NOMAC.
Album trailer is now up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpvwRFMjD0M&feature=em-lsp
I must say, this sounds bloody amazing. I'm off to pre-order. :lol
Album trailer is now up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpvwRFMjD0M&feature=em-lsp
I must say, this sounds bloody amazing. I'm off to pre-order. :lol
Album trailer is now up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpvwRFMjD0M&feature=em-lsp
I must say, this sounds bloody amazing. I'm off to pre-order. :lol
My god, I am lusting over the final snippet. Is it from Pale Blue Dot?
"Signal to noise defines the reeeeeeason" - hmmm, hard to tell. Probably Room 137
Time for the guessing game to begin:
TTTSTA type riff might be from At Wits End
The clip with the space station might be PBD
"Signal to noise defines the reeeeeeason" - hmmm, hard to tell. Probably Room 137
"Call it bad luck..." Barstool Warrior
Heavy chugging riff - Room 137?
Girl on tightrope - Out of Reach
Final - I'm not sure, that last guitar sounds like something you'd hear in a space documentary but with an orchestra, so PBD again?
Time for the guessing game to begin:
TTTSTA type riff might be from At Wits End
The clip with the space station might be PBD
"Signal to noise defines the reeeeeeason" - hmmm, hard to tell. Probably Room 137
"Call it bad luck..." Barstool Warrior
Heavy chugging riff - Room 137?
Girl on tightrope - Out of Reach
Final - I'm not sure, that last guitar sounds like something you'd hear in a space documentary but with an orchestra, so PBD again?
I guess
1. At Wit's End
2. Pale Blue Dot
3. S2N
4. Barstool Warrior
5. Room 137
6. Out of Reach
7. At Wit's End
Check James reaction when Portnoy`s name is mentioned!!! 29.40 :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilIFuCe7TuY
"Call it bad luck, call it fate. Call it stuck in the rest of my day(s)"
Love these lyrics (if I heard them correctly)
"Call it bad luck, call it fate. Call it stuck in the rest of my day(s)"
Love these lyrics (if I heard them correctly)
Sounds like the right lyrics to me, that's a really nice little melody.
It is a really cool little song. That part in the snippet is part of the chorus.
Related: The phrasing and vocal melody on the verses (which is NOT in the clips) is very reminiscent of the beautiful agony section of ANTR, but more upbeat and a bit faster.
All of this sounds so great to me. It doesn't feel like this album is gonna be something radically new, but it does feel like a very enthusiastic and energetic album containing everything that made me fall in love with this band in the first place.
Check James reaction when Portnoy`s name is mentioned!!! 29.40 :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilIFuCe7TuY
Check James reaction when Portnoy`s name is mentioned!!! 29.40 :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilIFuCe7TuY
Check James reaction when Portnoy`s name is mentioned!!! 29.40 :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilIFuCe7TuY
I think you guys are reading waaaay to much into things...
That is so un-commonplace at DT forums that I was literally taken aback! :omg: :biggrin:I think you guys are reading waaaay to much into things...
Album trailer is now up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpvwRFMjD0M&feature=em-lsp
I must say, this sounds bloody amazing. I'm off to pre-order. :lol
:lolYeah I watched the interview and I didn't see anything like that from James.
Yeah, but going back to the video, there is NOTHING there from James on the MP issue. Folks are just looking for drama where there is none.
:lol
Yeah, but going back to the video, there is NOTHING there from James on the MP issue. Folks are just looking for drama where there is none.
May I add that, based on the teaser, this is the best Mangini has sounded.On point.
Here it sounds like he isn't holding back, the cymbals are raised and not as filtered as in the past 2 albums, he is using the ride more, nothing sounds triggered, the snare doesn't have that boost in the lower mids like it did in DT12, everything is panned nicely, and the kit just sounds excellent.
I'm also absolutely loving the actual drum parts themselves. So happy about this!
DREAM THEATER - In Conversation with James LaBrie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4PsYMt3n70&feature=youtu.be
Whyyyyyyy did the not decide to release it one week earlier??? Whyyyyyyy???? ;)
This album sounds so promising!
Cool riff at the start. Sounds like the opening riff of The Test That Stumped Them All.
Is there similarity of the PBD's snippet and TCoT? Or is just a impression?
??? I don't hear any similarity.
EDIT: Never mind. I know what part you are referring to. Yes, you are right--it does sound similar. But in context of the entire song, I don't think you would normally make that connection.
I gotta drive back to work on the 18th and I'll be gone for 2 weeks, this is gonna be the first time since SC that I don't buy a DT album on release day :/
So if he records the vocals in Canada, does he do all the melodies now or do they demo in the studio while he's there and he just takes that and goes back home for the recording?
By the way, I listened James live chat.
Nothing important, usual stuff has been told. He thinks the MVP of the album is Mike Mangini.
I cant describe my feelings about D/T.And ..im so happy.
I miss them so f*cking much. They are back in full power.
:metal
From what I could listen to already (I'll wait till release date though), I think everyone is awesome on this album. And I was relieved that that's the case. Finally. Long may these trends continue.I cant describe my feelings about D/T.And ..im so happy.
I miss them so f*cking much. They are back in full power.
:metal
James is awesome.
Lots of promo copies received for reviews I see....
Lots of promo copies received for reviews I see....
Lots of promo copies received for reviews I see....
Well I still do that anyway since I'm too lazy to rip CD's anymore. It's more of a silly ritual I've been doing where I take a picture with the new DT CD in my car after I pick it up on release day and post the pic here as a celebration of a new album era heh
Speaking of mp3's though, my drive to work is 9 hours long and I was hoping I'd have the album for the drive but leaks seem to have badly regressed the last few years, I think it will be available online after that NY listening party on Thursday but that'll be too late.
Off topic: this is a major win for record companies that I haven't noticed people talking about; leaks have pretty much been defeated or largely subsided at the very least. Throughout the 00's we used to have albums 10 days or so before release date, now it's 2 or 3 days if any.
All this is minor whining of course, the glass is 95% full; I'm excited, THERE'S A NEW DT ALBUM COMING OUT BABY!
I managed to avoid the two other singles and only heard Untethered Angel once, puuuurrrrttyyy proud of myself there heh
So here's a question for you: Without having heard the album yet, how high do you think it could possibly rank among your favorite DT albums? For me, I think if it's really good it could crack the top 5. But beating the likes of SFAM, 6DOIT, IAW, and Awake would be quite a feat.
So here's a question for you: Without having heard the album yet, how high do you think it could possibly rank among your favorite DT albums? For me, I think if it's really good it could crack the top 5. But beating the likes of SFAM, 6DOIT, IAW, and Awake would be quite a feat.
Well, my current ranking is this:
#1. Images & Words
#2. Black Clouds & Silver Linings
#3. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
#4. The Astonishing
#5. Systematic Chaos
#6. When Dream & Day Unite
#7. Awake
#8. Octavarium
#9. Scenes From A Memory
10. Dream Theater
11. A Dramatic Turn Of Events
12. Train Of Thought
13. Falling Into Infinity
I could see DOT fitting nicely in between TA & SC. We'll see though. :biggrin:
So here's a question for you: Without having heard the album yet, how high do you think it could possibly rank among your favorite DT albums? For me, I think if it's really good it could crack the top 5. But beating the likes of SFAM, 6DOIT, IAW, and Awake would be quite a feat.
So here's a question for you: Without having heard the album yet, how high do you think it could possibly rank among your favorite DT albums? For me, I think if it's really good it could crack the top 5. But beating the likes of SFAM, 6DOIT, IAW, and Awake would be quite a feat.
Well, my current ranking is this:
#1. Images & Words
#2. Black Clouds & Silver Linings
#3. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
#4. The Astonishing
#5. Systematic Chaos
#6. When Dream & Day Unite
#7. Awake
#8. Octavarium
#9. Scenes From A Memory
10. Dream Theater
11. A Dramatic Turn Of Events
12. Train Of Thought
13. Falling Into Infinity
I could see DOT fitting nicely in between TA & SC. We'll see though. :biggrin:
Glad to see the love for BC&SL!
I finally had the opportunity to hear all 3 new songs on a killer system last night. HOLY CRAP!! For the first timeADTOE has a good mix and master on the Hdtracks version IMHO, you can give it a go if you want.
since MM joined, they managed to make his drums sound killer. They now share equal billing with all the other
instruments. The production is amazing. I'm really digging all 3 songs. For me, this mix is the best since 8V and on
par with their best sounding albums. I haven't felt this way about new DT songs for a LONG time.
On a side note, man oh man would I like to hear what ADToE would sound like with this mix.
Lots of promo copies received for reviews I see....
Promo copies were given out like sweets at Halloween, though. I think I'll claim to operate a legitimate music website in time for the next album cycle. The majority of 'professional' reviews I've seen for Distance Over Time are so amateur in tone and language, it's laughable.
Now, do I think everyone's got a promo copy? No. Of course not. But still.
So here's a question for you: Without having heard the album yet, how high do you think it could possibly rank among your favorite DT albums? For me, I think if it's really good it could crack the top 5. But beating the likes of SFAM, 6DOIT, IAW, and Awake would be quite a feat.
Well, my current ranking is this:
#1. Images & Words
#2. Black Clouds & Silver Linings
#3. Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence
#4. The Astonishing
#5. Systematic Chaos
#6. When Dream & Day Unite
#7. Awake
#8. Octavarium
#9. Scenes From A Memory
10. Dream Theater
11. A Dramatic Turn Of Events
12. Train Of Thought
13. Falling Into Infinity
I could see DOT fitting nicely in between TA & SC. We'll see though. :biggrin:
Is anyone bored enough that they could post links of all of the reviews in a single post?
I think the only song on BCSL that I like all the way through is Whither.
My prediction is that the 5:00-5:10 mark of Pale Blue Dot is gonna make us all lose our shit with how awesome it is.
My second prediction is that we're gonna all want to go and speed down the highway with Viper King blasting. The Van Halen description has me excited
BC & SL is a epic derailment.
One thing that's peculiar is that song 2 and 3 start on the left channel only.
One thing that's peculiar is that song 2 and 3 start on the left channel only.
Only because DT are a 1 guitar player band. But their albums often have a dual guitar player recording style. So left side is (often) rhythm side. So starting there makes sense. Adds dynamics to it when both sides kick in.
One thing that's peculiar is that song 2 and 3 start on the left channel only.
Only because DT are a 1 guitar player band. But their albums often have a dual guitar player recording style. So left side is (often) rhythm side. So starting there makes sense. Adds dynamics to it when both sides kick in.
Was just thinking it's funny how 3 of the 4 MM era albums have titles that (pretty much) start with the letter "D" (iTunes automatically lists A Dramatic Turn Of Events as "Dramatic Turn Of Events" for me in the same way that it lists The Astonishing as "Astonishing". Not sure about you guys).
Guys,:lol
Am I living in a different timeframe?
It seems like the album is released...
I consider The Best Of Times and The Count Of Tuscany both Top 15 DT songs.
B.Lee you are my hero for not listening anything !!!I consider The Best Of Times and The Count Of Tuscany both Top 15 DT songs.
To each his own, but I don't like them. Granted, there are things that are outstanding inside each song, but as a whole, they're not for me. And the choruses of both are not good, like, at all.
B.Lee
Note : excited as hell for the new album! I haven't listened to any of the singles released and you guys have my mouth water in expectation with your descriptions. Damn, 4 days to go still!
I finally had the opportunity to hear all 3 new songs on a killer system last night. HOLY CRAP!! For the first time
since MM joined, they managed to make his drums sound killer. They now share equal billing with all the other
instruments. The production is amazing. I'm really digging all 3 songs. For me, this mix is the best since 8V and on
par with their best sounding albums. I haven't felt this way about new DT songs for a LONG time.
On a side note, man oh man would I like to hear what ADToE would sound like with this mix.
Amazon.co.uk is giving a delivery date of Wednesday 26th with standard shipping. If I upgrade to expedited shipping, that slips to Tuesday 25th. WTF? At least DESPATCH the flipping thing on release day, even if you can't guarantee delivery then.
Amazon.co.uk is giving a delivery date of Wednesday 26th with standard shipping. If I upgrade to expedited shipping, that slips to Tuesday 25th. WTF? At least DESPATCH the flipping thing on release day, even if you can't guarantee delivery then.
I'm team "I don't want to hear anything before" too. My only goal for this working week is endure it all so that Friday I can use my lunch break to buy the album and listen to it from start to finish without any musical spoiler at all! :metal
(Even though, if I really have to nitpick, I have to say that I heard seconds here and there from the occasional promo video with interviews, and the short snippets when they were recording the album. With The Astonishing it was a total embargo, I literally didn't hear in any kind of way or form a single note before the release)
B.Lee you are my hero for not listening anything !!!I consider The Best Of Times and The Count Of Tuscany both Top 15 DT songs.
To each his own, but I don't like them. Granted, there are things that are outstanding inside each song, but as a whole, they're not for me. And the choruses of both are not good, like, at all.
B.Lee
Note : excited as hell for the new album! I haven't listened to any of the singles released and you guys have my mouth water in expectation with your descriptions. Damn, 4 days to go still!
Trust me you gonna be satisfied :metal
I just got the shipping confirmation for my order today!Ya!!I bought it on the Inside Out and received an email confirming the submission on 2/14/2018 (including details to follow the tracking) :metal
Have anyone else here received their confirmation too? Apart from those of you with the unfortunate delays.
On another note, I will restrain myself from listening to the album from any prematurely leaked sites in the meantime. :laugh:
New interview with John Myung: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI-iisUISJY
New interview with John Myung: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI-iisUISJY
*Obligatory "I didn't know he could talk" joke*
Will there be an official streaming of the album?
Will there be an official streaming of the album?
Yes, starting this friday :P
Room 137: I'm not sure what to make of this one, honestly. It's definitely a different sound for DT. Very dark and almost psychadelic in places. For whatever reason, it's definitely not what I expected from MM, lyrically. I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean but wasn't sure what else to say. Probably my least favorite track on the album, though it does have some cool parts and it's by no means bad, just a personal taste thing probably.
Possible contender for nerdiest DT song ever?I do think the topic is sooo Mike Mangini. JLB in that interview, before talk about this lyric, even said that "Mangini, who is obsessed with mathematics, to the point of look like a mathematician..." :lol
Possible contender for nerdiest DT song ever?I do think the topic is sooo Mike Mangini. JLB in that interview, before talk about this lyric, even said that "Mangini, who is obsessed with mathematics, to the point of look like a mathematician..." :lol
Will the digipak be available in music stores in the US/Canada? It’s not on the site of the music store I go to in Canada and it’s not on Amazon.ca.
Possible contender for nerdiest DT song ever?:lol
I've read an interview with JLB on Roadiecrew's magazine (www.roadiecrew.com.br), where he explains that this song is about physicist Wolfgang Pauli and his obsession with the constant 1/137. And coincidentally, it was the number of hospital's room where he died. Interesting that JLB also said that Mangini had this idea for a lyric, but he kind of sent the lyrics to JP, JR and JLB to actually shape them into that song.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Pauli
"In 1958, Pauli was awarded the Max Planck medal. In that same year, he fell ill with pancreatic cancer. When his last assistant, Charles Enz, visited him at the Rotkreuz hospital in Zurich, Pauli asked him: "Did you see the room number?" It was number 137. Throughout his life, Pauli had been preoccupied with the question of why the fine structure constant, a dimensionless fundamental constant, has a value nearly equal to 1/137. Pauli died in that room on 15 December 1958.[14]"
The Japan version of the album contains 9 +1 song and another CD of ONLY intrumental tracks
The Japan version of the album contains 9 +1 song and another CD of ONLY intrumental tracks
I need that version.
I couldn't resist listening to UA and FITL, but resisted with Paralyzed.
Will there were seperate threads for each song upon release date? It is always so confusing to read one big thread with hundreds of new posts that go in different directions
The Japan version of the album contains 9 +1 song and another CD of ONLY intrumental tracks
I need that version.
Me too my friend.
The Japan version of the album contains 9 +1 song and another CD of ONLY intrumental tracksAnd with one more "little" detail (in Blu-spec CD2 - :metal)
The Japan version of the album contains 9 +1 song and another CD of ONLY intrumental tracksAnd with one more "little" detail (in Blu-spec CD2 - :metal)
In case you want to make the purchase I can send you the link ;) (mine is already ordered :tup)The Japan version of the album contains 9 +1 song and another CD of ONLY intrumental tracksAnd with one more "little" detail (in Blu-spec CD2 - :metal)
Correct :metal
Quote from: MinistroRaven
link=topic=53021.msg2521279#msg2521279 date=1550584789The Japan version of the album contains 9 +1 song and another CD of ONLY intrumental tracksAnd with one more "little" detail (in Blu-spec CD2 - :metal)
The Japan version of the album contains 9 +1 song and another CD of ONLY intrumental tracks
Quote from: MinistroRaven
link=topic=53021.msg2521279#msg2521279 date=1550584789The Japan version of the album contains 9 +1 song and another CD of ONLY intrumental tracksAnd with one more "little" detail (in Blu-spec CD2 - :metal)
Is this the version you are all referring to?
What is the other detail?
Distance Over Time (Limited Edition) (Blu-Speccd2) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07LD8Q65H/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_55fBCbHZAJ244
I believe that Amazon imports direct from Japan (they did not put any reference in the advertisement). I bought direct from Japan (elsewhere)Is this the version you are all referring to?Quote from: MinistroRaven
link=topic=53021.msg2521279#msg2521279 date=1550584789The Japan version of the album contains 9 +1 song and another CD of ONLY intrumental tracksAnd with one more "little" detail (in Blu-spec CD2 - :metal)
What is the other detail?
Distance Over Time (Limited Edition) (Blu-Speccd2) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07LD8Q65H/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_55fBCbHZAJ244
Yup. That one, however I saw it somewhere else, not amazon
So all the reviews I have read, they all pretty much say the same thing. This leaves me excited for the album, but to be honest I'm getting a little 'reviewed' out at this time.. :lol
I'm just gonna wait to hear the album for myself this Friday and get my own take on it, which will likely be the same.. :tup
Since this clip was officially released, can anyone tell me what song this is from?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5rxmfa8OPA
Since this clip was officially released, can anyone tell me what song this is from?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5rxmfa8OPA
S2N
So Amazon just emailed me to tell me my D/T CD is estimated to come on the 26th? WTF??The regular CD or the boxset?
So Amazon just emailed me to tell me my D/T CD is estimated to come on the 26th? WTF??The regular CD or the boxset?
I read on lasercd the artbook is scheduled to mail on the 15th of March as set by Sony.
I guess I will order the regular CD first.
I consider The Best Of Times and The Count Of Tuscany both Top 15 DT songs.
To each his own, but I don't like them. Granted, there are things that are outstanding inside each song, but as a whole, they're not for me. And the choruses of both are not good, like, at all.
B.Lee
Note : excited as hell for the new album! I haven't listened to any of the singles released and you guys have my mouth water in expectation with your descriptions. Damn, 4 days to go still!
I'm team "I don't want to hear anything before" too. My only goal for this working week is endure it all so that Friday I can use my lunch break to buy the album and listen to it from start to finish without any musical spoiler at all! :metal
(Even though, if I really have to nitpick, I have to say that I heard seconds here and there from the occasional promo video with interviews, and the short snippets when they were recording the album. With The Astonishing it was a total embargo, I literally didn't hear in any kind of way or form a single note before the release)
New interview with John Myung: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI-iisUISJY
In a recent interview James and JP indicated that they might be considering alternating setlists for the first set of the upcoming U.S. tour. Can anyone obtain more definitive information? I'm seeing DT twice in the upcoming leg, but a rotating setlist might spur me to hit up three this tour.
Same for me.I preordered the digipak with the Bonus Track.So Amazon just emailed me to tell me my D/T CD is estimated to come on the 26th? WTF??The regular CD or the boxset?
Not to make this about the tour but it's anyone else hoping for Octavarium as the encore?
They did A Change Of Seasons for the encore during the Images, Words, & Beyond tour. I don't think Octavarium is a ridiculous hope.Not to make this about the tour but it's anyone else hoping for Octavarium as the encore?
Maybe for a Radio edit :)
I consider The Best Of Times and The Count Of Tuscany both Top 15 DT songs.
To each his own, but I don't like them. Granted, there are things that are outstanding inside each song, but as a whole, they're not for me. And the choruses of both are not good, like, at all.
B.Lee
Note : excited as hell for the new album! I haven't listened to any of the singles released and you guys have my mouth water in expectation with your descriptions. Damn, 4 days to go still!
Just a few days left. I was thinking of popping in the instrumental disc for my first listen, but I'm not married to that idea.
I consider The Best Of Times and The Count Of Tuscany both Top 15 DT songs.
To each his own, but I don't like them. Granted, there are things that are outstanding inside each song, but as a whole, they're not for me. And the choruses of both are not good, like, at all.
B.Lee
Note : excited as hell for the new album! I haven't listened to any of the singles released and you guys have my mouth water in expectation with your descriptions. Damn, 4 days to go still!
Just a few days left. I was thinking of popping in the instrumental disc for my first listen, but I'm not married to that idea.
Only :metal2 days left!
Well,I heard D/T just once and it completely blew my mind on absolutely different level. So I decided to not listen anything until 22nd to feel that kick in my stomach once again because its really something guys.I consider The Best Of Times and The Count Of Tuscany both Top 15 DT songs.
To each his own, but I don't like them. Granted, there are things that are outstanding inside each song, but as a whole, they're not for me. And the choruses of both are not good, like, at all.
B.Lee
Note : excited as hell for the new album! I haven't listened to any of the singles released and you guys have my mouth water in expectation with your descriptions. Damn, 4 days to go still!
Just a few days left. I was thinking of popping in the instrumental disc for my first listen, but I'm not married to that idea.
Only :metal2 days left!
Yeahh!!
So far I've only listened to UA and FITL, but I've read all the reviews based on the ehm...leaks.... :\
And the good and incredible news is that NOBODY is complaining!
Everybody seems to love this album, at different levels...
I'm really glad to read this :)
Looking forward to Friday!
They did A Change Of Seasons for the encore during the Images, Words, & Beyond tour. I don't think Octavarium is a ridiculous hope.Not to make this about the tour but it's anyone else hoping for Octavarium as the encore?
Maybe for a Radio edit :)
Yeah, but remember the A/B set lists they did for the ADTOE tour? It's doable. And they have shorter song lengths to play around with from this album, so that makes it a lot easier to rotate songs.In a recent interview James and JP indicated that they might be considering alternating setlists for the first set of the upcoming U.S. tour. Can anyone obtain more definitive information? I'm seeing DT twice in the upcoming leg, but a rotating setlist might spur me to hit up three this tour.
That would surprise me, considering they are going to play all of Scenes (which I assume will always be the second set), and then you have to figure that some of the new songs will be every nighters in the first set. I could see one or two spots being rotated in the first set, and then who knows about the encore, but I doubt it will be anything too severe.
I do. As already pointed out, SFAM is longer than I&W, and they will be playing a large chunk of the new album. That doesn't leave a lot of space in the set.They did A Change Of Seasons for the encore during the Images, Words, & Beyond tour. I don't think Octavarium is a ridiculous hope.Not to make this about the tour but it's anyone else hoping for Octavarium as the encore?
Maybe for a Radio edit :)
Lots of promo copies received for reviews I see....
Promo copies were given out like sweets at Halloween, though. I think I'll claim to operate a legitimate music website in time for the next album cycle. The majority of 'professional' reviews I've seen for Distance Over Time are so amateur in tone and language, it's laughable.
Now, do I think everyone's got a promo copy? No. Of course not. But still.
Well, the "majority of 'professional' reviews" are, in fact, written by the people who are fans of the metal scene in general, like most of us here. People out there are doing it out of their love for this kind of music, not receiving any benefits—except the early access to the albums and a bit of exposure (which, as we all know, is apparently the new universal currency right now, except it doesn't pay any bills)—and a lot of them also have English as their second or even third language.
I'm not sure why I even decided to participate in a debate in DT part of the forums, that was a stupid decision.
Omfg Dream Theater announced a show in Dresden, my hometown, in the beautiful Junge Garde, an open air theater! After the usual Eventim problems and frustration, I got first row tickets today! Not exactly in the middle, but only a little on the left.
And the coolest thing is. I have my final exam of the semester that day, in Austria where I study. So I hopefully rock that exam, jump into my car (obviously having my DT playlist for the drive already prepared, duh), race home to Dresden and see my all-time favorite band in my all-time favorite city. It's going to be such a kick ass day.
Omfg Dream Theater announced a show in Dresden, my hometown, in the beautiful Junge Garde, an open air theater! After the usual Eventim problems and frustration, I got first row tickets today! Not exactly in the middle, but only a little on the left.
And the coolest thing is. I have my final exam of the semester that day, in Austria where I study. So I hopefully rock that exam, jump into my car (obviously having my DT playlist for the drive already prepared, duh), race home to Dresden and see my all-time favorite band in my all-time favorite city. It's going to be such a kick ass day.
Not to make this about the tour but it's anyone else hoping for Octavarium as the encore?
If this going to happen I need to take another pairs of pants with me :eekNot to make this about the tour but it's anyone else hoping for Octavarium as the encore?
I am not. Although I have heard it live before so for those who haven't it would be a treat. I am guessing it would be The Glass Prison, ending with SFAM then low static, they leave the stage, static continues then THE GLASS PRISON!!
Those of us who have the record, can we talk about our thoughts, or have we been asked to wait until Friday? I can't seem to find anything that says something one way or another. Thanks in advance.
Those of us who have the record, can we talk about our thoughts, or have we been asked to wait until Friday? I can't seem to find anything that says something one way or another. Thanks in advance.
Those of us who have the record, can we talk about our thoughts, or have we been asked to wait until Friday? I can't seem to find anything that says something one way or another. Thanks in advance.
Everybody who has the record has been discussing it and none of the usual restrictions have been announced, I think you're good.
EDIT: Wait, that's if you're one of the promo copy guys, we can't discuss leaks :justjen