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Title: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: WildRanger on October 22, 2018, 08:24:27 AM
Who invented this term, when and why? True meaning of it?
Your thoughts?






Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: MirrorMask on October 22, 2018, 08:25:55 AM
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dadrock
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Elite on October 22, 2018, 08:32:07 AM
Who invented this term, when and why?

Who invented the term 'hippy'? Or 'millennial'? Or 'Generation X'?

When? Doesn't matter.

Why? To define something.

True meaning of it?

Does there need to be a 'true' meaning? See link above.

Your thoughts?

I think you could have looked it up yourself, instead of asking on the forums. I'm pretty sure everybody has some idea of what 'dad rock' is whenever somebody feels like using that term.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: DragonAttack on October 22, 2018, 08:37:20 AM
Why is the sky blue?  What is google?
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: The Walrus on October 22, 2018, 10:06:41 AM
The true meaning of dad rock is whatever Stadler loves.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: TAC on October 22, 2018, 10:07:32 AM
Tell me about it.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: King Postwhore on October 22, 2018, 10:16:24 AM
Tell me about it.

Curly.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Crow on October 22, 2018, 10:29:47 AM
we call it fogeycore nowadays
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 22, 2018, 10:37:58 AM
Bart Simpson calls them Dinosaur Bands.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: King Postwhore on October 22, 2018, 10:43:33 AM
we call it fogeycore nowadays

No way.  Our cores are really bad. 
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: SoundscapeMN on October 22, 2018, 10:53:34 AM
Mom Rock?
Mom Pop?
Cousin Rock?
Uncle Rock?
BFF Rock?

most of the terms are lame, including "Indie" and "Alternative" which are about as generic of terms as anything used in the last 40 years.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: ChuckSteak on October 22, 2018, 11:46:12 AM
I prefer Eskimo rock and Zulu rock.  :metal
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: The Letter M on October 22, 2018, 11:51:32 AM
Does Dad Rock beat Dad Scissors and lose to Dad Paper?

-Marc.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Adami on October 22, 2018, 11:54:10 AM
Personally, I think the term dad rock is pointless.


But "Guy who isn't my uncle by blood but was best friends with my dad and basically like my uncle anyway rock" is a genre worth experiencing.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: RoeDent on October 22, 2018, 12:32:10 PM
Just wait til Post-Dad Rock gets in. Then Post-Proto-Hardcore Progressive Dad Punk Reggae.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: TAC on October 22, 2018, 01:50:47 PM
Guymymotherbangedaftermeetinghiminabar rock.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Samsara on October 22, 2018, 02:09:38 PM
What I want to know is, what is the true meaning of Wild Ranger? I mean, is he really wild? Is he a real ranger? DId he make up his own Dungeons & Dragons class that walks around polling party members?

Does he really exist, or is it a group of people?

Inquiring minds want to know (aka, wish he would stop).  :yarr
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: pg1067 on October 22, 2018, 03:43:11 PM
Six Degrees of Consanguinity Rock!
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Elite on October 22, 2018, 03:44:10 PM
What I want to know is, what is the true meaning of Wild Ranger?

Wo thought of WildRanger first? When? And why?

Your thoughts?

Also objective truth & quality. And is it a genre, anyway?
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Adami on October 22, 2018, 03:45:30 PM
So anybody want to form a band called Wild Rangers?

We only play cover songs from Wild Stallions and The Lone Rangers.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: The Letter M on October 22, 2018, 03:51:16 PM
So anybody want to form a band called Wild Rangers?

We only play cover songs from Wild Stallions and The Lone Rangers.

Wyld Stallyns*
not your bogus misspelling

-Marc.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Adami on October 22, 2018, 03:55:56 PM
So anybody want to form a band called Wild Rangers?

We only play cover songs from Wild Stallions and The Lone Rangers.

Wyld Stallyns*
not your bogus misspelling

-Marc.

 :censored

Fine, then we can just change his name to WyldRanger then?
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: The Letter M on October 22, 2018, 05:27:27 PM
So anybody want to form a band called Wild Rangers?

We only play cover songs from Wild Stallions and The Lone Rangers.

Wyld Stallyns*
not your bogus misspelling

-Marc.

 :censored

Fine, then we can just change his name to WyldRanger then?

We may have to start a poll first to gauge interest and start a discussion...

-Marc.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Zook on October 23, 2018, 03:13:38 AM
Only 306 more threads to get into the top ten.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: a51502112 on October 23, 2018, 04:03:28 AM
How about, DadProg?
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Fritzinger on October 23, 2018, 05:30:50 AM
How about, DadProg?

#pinkfloyd
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: WildRanger on October 23, 2018, 07:58:45 AM
I noticed that 'Dad rock' is a quite used term on the site RateYourMusic.

Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: MirrorMask on October 23, 2018, 08:15:43 AM
Anyway, before looking it up on Urban Dictionary, I was sure that "Dad rock" would refer to rock music so tame and commercial, that even your dad, pictured as a mild mannered aging guy with glasses and few hair left, could enjoy and think to himself "wow, I like music that kids today listen to!"  :D
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Samsara on October 23, 2018, 08:41:49 AM
So anybody want to form a band called Wild Rangers?

We only play cover songs from Wild Stallions and The Lone Rangers.

Wyld Stallyns*
not your bogus misspelling

-Marc.

 :censored

Fine, then we can just change his name to WyldRanger then?

We may have to start a poll first to gauge interest and start a discussion...

-Marc.

 :rollin
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Dream Team on October 23, 2018, 09:00:36 AM
It usually means awesome music that millennials ignore or put down because it's not as good as the latest Ed Sheeran or Nicky Minaj song.  ::)
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: ProfessorPeart on October 23, 2018, 10:01:58 AM
Dad Rock:

(https://imgix.bustle.com/uploads/getty/2017/12/28/7a05b9fd-e98c-4bfc-9a92-5cecc753a7fe-getty-891923244.jpg?w=1200&h=630&q=70&fit=crop&crop=faces&fm=jpg)
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Ninjabait on October 23, 2018, 10:18:42 AM
Who invented this term, when and why? True meaning of it?
Your thoughts?

You'd be surprised at how difficult this is to answer. The earliest confirmed reference to it I could find on ye ol' Interwebs was a Pitchfork review in 2011, which seemed to acknowledge that it was already an emerging term (with some disdain). The term really started picking up speed around 2014 it seems, since most of the usage of the term I saw in Google news searches were 2014 or later. USA Today also has a podcast called "Dad Rock" apparently. Global Google search data shows a few searches stretching as far back as of 2004, and it seems to be more popular in the UK than the US. There's a HUGE jump in searches in June of this year, since that's where the biggest portion of searches come from.

I couldn't find any actual info on where the term comes from. Most likely, it comes from critics. A lot of names start as derogatory terms by critics which the genre then adopts over time. Like "baroque" classical (which literally means "Gaudy") or the "hipster" movement, for example.

Also, interestingly enough, some places list it as the one word "dadrock". Weird.

Dad rock essentially refers to music your dad would like. Almost always rock bands from the 70s, 80s, and 90s, but there doesn't seem to be a specific genre that it always references. I've seen 90s alternative rock and post-grunge bands like Foo Fighters described as dad rock, prog bands like Floyd, Fleetwood Mac, and even punk described as dad rock. 90s rap groups like A Tribe Called Quest are sometimes called dad rock, weirdly enough. Basically, it's a derogatory term that means "old fashioned". The most obvious example of this is rock music, since it hasn't really been an important part of our modern culture for about a decade, outside of the Indie Rock Fluke Hit Sweepstakes(TM) winners. These kind of things are almost natural, and the youth of previous generations had the same reaction to disco, jazz, classical, whatever. It'll go away eventually, rock will probably exit the popular consciousness, and enter into academia as a form of "classy" music. That seems to be what happens.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: WildRanger on October 23, 2018, 10:58:01 AM
Basically, it's a derogatory term that means "old fashioned".

If this is true, that's a reason for me to find that term to be pretty lame.
So-called Dad rock rules over today's mainstream music and it seems 'dads' obviously had/have a better taste and bigger knowledge in music than youngsters today, on average.











Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Stadler on October 23, 2018, 11:32:12 AM
Guymymotherbangedaftermeetinghiminabar rock.

Dude, no shit, one of my best friends since we were in elementary school found out earlier this year that his real dad is a guymymotherbangedaftermeetinghiminabar.   
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Stadler on October 23, 2018, 11:34:02 AM
The true meaning of dad rock is whatever Stadler loves.  :biggrin:

Blow.  Me.   ;D :tup 

To me, it's just another snarky way to show how superior we are by making fun of something that isn't in our wheelhouse. 
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Ninjabait on October 23, 2018, 01:46:48 PM
Basically, it's a derogatory term that means "old fashioned".

If this is true, that's a reason for me to find that term to be pretty lame.
So-called Dad rock rules over today's mainstream music and it seems 'dads' obviously had/have a better taste and bigger knowledge in music than youngsters today, on average.

Remember, the parents of the rock and roll generation said the same thing. And the parents of the jazz generation just before them. It's not so much which is better (there's a lot of really great modern music and older music), it's just a reference of changing attitudes with the younger generation and the attitudes of the older generation staying the same.

Case in point: this entire thread.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: KevShmev on October 23, 2018, 08:42:35 PM

To me, it's just another snarky way to show how superior we are by making fun of something that isn't in our wheelhouse.

Agreed.  Similar to "yacht rock," which I am pretty sure was conceived as a term to mock certain types of songs.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: The Walrus on October 23, 2018, 08:44:41 PM
The true meaning of dad rock is whatever Stadler loves.  :biggrin:

Blow.  Me.   ;D :tup 

To me, it's just another snarky way to show how superior we are by making fun of something that isn't in our wheelhouse.

To me it's a way of showing love. Without blowing anyone. :hug:  :lol
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: King Postwhore on October 23, 2018, 08:45:20 PM
Can't I have both? :lol
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: TAC on October 23, 2018, 08:55:52 PM
Right. I was going to say the same thing. I mean if it's real love then it shouldn't be a problem. :lol
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: The Walrus on October 23, 2018, 09:02:31 PM
This thread is now titled 3 Elderly Men Sexually Harass Hot Young Stud  :lol
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: King Postwhore on October 23, 2018, 09:08:23 PM
More like young stud gets rug burns on his face.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: TAC on October 23, 2018, 09:15:41 PM
This thread is now titled 3 Elderly Men Sexually Harass Hot Young Stud  :lol

I have no issue with you calling me young, but...hot?
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: 425 on October 23, 2018, 09:22:19 PM
Every WildRanger thread is weirder than the last. And it's starting to feel like WildRanger is having less and less to do with the weirdness...
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: King Postwhore on October 23, 2018, 09:28:47 PM
That's because he asks questions like, "Your mom is backing the cake. Do you want to lick the blender blades?"


Of course I do. Silly question.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: TAC on October 23, 2018, 09:32:01 PM
More like, would you rather lick the blender blades or the spatula?


You can only pick one.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Anguyen92 on October 23, 2018, 09:37:15 PM
That's because he asks questions like, "Your mom is backing the cake. Do you want to lick the blender blades?"


Of course I do. Silly question.

What the heck does it mean "backing the cake"?  Is that a euphemism that I am not familiar with that you relatively older lots talk about regularly?
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: TAC on October 23, 2018, 09:40:53 PM
If it's Kingshmegland, you can be sure he means cake, as in actual dessert cake.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Adami on October 23, 2018, 09:56:38 PM
This thread is now titled 3 Elderly Men Sexually Harass Hot Young Stad  :lol


Fixed.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: The Walrus on October 23, 2018, 10:19:08 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: King Postwhore on October 24, 2018, 04:29:07 AM
If it's Kingshmegland, you can be sure he means cake, as in actual dessert cake.
:lol

Baking.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 24, 2018, 04:47:23 AM
Hey, remember when we all used to take the p1ss out of Rebecca Black's "Friday"? That was cool, I miss those days...
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Stadler on October 25, 2018, 07:03:03 AM
Tangentially related, I'm watching "The Deuce" right now; the first season is set in '71-'72, and the second season is set in '77, and I can't tell you how many times I've had to say "whoa!  Great tune!" even though they are clearly picked for their "period" feel.   

By the way, GREAT show.  It's about the sex trade/peeps/porn business in New York City (specifically the part of 42nd St. west of Times Square) in the 70's.  The show is set earlier than my experiences, but when I was in high school - early 80's - we used to take day trips on the train down to NYC.   No shit, at LEAST five times now, I've told my wife a story about those trips, and something appears in the show to back it up.   They've done an AMAZING job in capturing what it was like, especially that odd mix of the bizarre, and just how mundane that "bizarre" really was.
Title: Re: Why a term "Dad rock" exists and what is its true meaning?
Post by: Sacul on October 25, 2018, 07:52:33 AM
Basically, it's a derogatory term that means "old fashioned".

If this is true, that's a reason for me to find that term to be pretty lame.
So-called Dad rock rules over today's mainstream music and it seems 'dads' obviously had/have a better taste and bigger knowledge in music than youngsters today, on average.

Remember, the parents of the rock and roll generation said the same thing. And the parents of the jazz generation just before them. It's not so much which is better (there's a lot of really great modern music and older music), it's just a reference of changing attitudes with the younger generation and the attitudes of the older generation staying the same.

Case in point: this entire thread.
Pretty much this.