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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: MirrorMask on September 24, 2018, 12:29:42 PM
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Some food for thought. Imagine this scenario: DT take a page (not literally) from Iron Maiden's 2010 first leg of their tour, where they completely discarded the majority of their classics to focus on only the reunion albums, saving the older songs for the end of the show and the encore. Now they decide it's time for a bold statement, they've given us Images and Words in full, the tour before that, not counting The Astonishing of course, had half Awake and a Scenes suite, so for now, they're gonna focus on the current era of the band.
Imagine the setlist for the new tour - there's a possibility they won't do another Evening With show and go on a normal headline tour with another band from the label as support - is shaped somehow like this:
- A lot of songs off DT14
- A suite for The Astonishing songs (Indulge myself, I know it won't happen, they even discarded it mid-I&WAB tour)
- Finally, Surrender to Reason off the self titled, and maybe Behind the Veil which was played only on a short summer tour
- Outrcy and the Mangini era classic Breaking All Illusion to close the main set
As balance, the encore is made up of older songs fans clamor to hear, let's say they open the encore with The Glass Prison, then they play, dunno, Only A Matter of Time or Panick Attack or Peruvian Skies, something that gets the crowd going, and they end the show with Home, big epic off one of their most revered albums.
Would you enjoy something like that? it doesn't have to be so literal, take the general idea - most, if not everything, of the main set is dedicated to the Mangini albums, and the older songs, especially some fan favorites, are saved for the encore or with a minimal representation in the main set. How about that?
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I would be just fine with that. Realistically, I think we could expect at least a couple of pre-Maingini songs in the main set. But either way, I wouldn't care. I think some of their strongest material came after Mangini was part of the band.
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I hope it is because I'm tired of hearing James struggle to sing old songs and I want to hear new stuff. A Mangini era-heavy setlist is perfectly fine with me.
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I hope it is because I'm tired of hearing James struggle to sing old songs and I want to hear new stuff. A Mangini era-heavy setlist is perfectly fine with me.
That's a good point. A lot of MM era stuff is more in his comfort zone nowadays. A song like BAI comes to mind, James nails that song live.
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I'd be fine with it, but I'd also like an old more rare song to be thrown in there, instead of just the old "classics". Obviously I would love the Glass Prison and that song I feel would fit the "old more rare song". But if they are going to do an Evening with format again, then there really is no reason to fit most of the setlist into MM era.
I may be in the minority too, but I'd love for them to find an opener again and have more diversity in the shorter set list each night.
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The only real downside I see is that it would probably increase the possibility of them playing Breaking All Illusions. But that song being played is just an unfortunate reality anyway, so no big deal.
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My only reason to not want them to play BAI is to just play something else for the sake of changing things up. I've seen that song live a very large amount of times now. I love it, but I also love changing the setlists. That song seems to be the staple from the MM era and I think it probably deserves it moreso than any other, but I don't really like staples in DT setlists.
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I have full faith in JP to create a balanced and varied setlist. He's done a great job so far.
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I have full faith in JP to create a balanced and varied setlist. He's done a great job so far.
And whether he is ultimately successful at doing a "great" job of it on any given tour, to me what is far more important is that he cares so deeply about it to try as hard as he does. I know I shared on the forum here how absolutely giddy he was about the I&WAB set list when he shared it with me toward the end of The Astonishing tour. He couldn't wait to see my reaction and to hear from me how he thought fans would react as a whole. He definitely cares about what people want to hear and does what he thinks will cater to that as much as possible within reasonable parameters.
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I wouldn't mind if the next setlist is very MM era heavy, the material is amazing, but some fans wouldn't appeciate that too much, imo :-\
I just want them to let BAI rest for a while, it's been played on every tour since it's debut, excepting the 2015 mini tour and the TA tour.
And I think they should include older songs, but please don't play the same TSCO, AIA and PMU over and over again, instead, they should focus on playing songs they haven't done with this lineup yet.
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And I think they should include older songs, but please don't play the same TSCO, AIA and PMU over and over again, instead, they should focus on playing songs they haven't done with this lineup yet.
I want them to play Beyond This Life. I've seen them three times in Brazil so far, but no luck yet to see one of my favorites live.
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And I think they should include older songs, but please don't play the same TSCO, AIA and PMU over and over again, instead, they should focus on playing songs they haven't done with this lineup yet.
I want them to play Beyond This Life. I've seen them three times in Brazil so far, but no luck yet to see one of my favorites live.
One of my all time favorite DT songs :metal
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Will be interesting to see when (or if ever) they will only play Mangini-era pieces live. I'll attend that tour. (apart from that, interesting thread idea)
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I have full faith in JP to create a balanced and varied setlist. He's done a great job so far.
I'll agree to that, he really has done a good job mixing old new and rare songs each tour. I think his only mistake was not adding the Non TA songs to the encore too late. Maybe it's just because it would have been too hard to pull off each night, but TA was a shorter show than their normal Evening with format, I felt like they could have played all of TA and then came out for TSCO and PMU for every show. But then again, my second time seeing TA was probably my favorite DT concert I attended, so my complaint is more so for the fans who didn't enjoy the show as much as I did (and from my understanding, those who got the classics encore really enjoyed it).
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If you'd have asked this before the IaW & Beyond tour, I probably wouldn't have been too keen on the idea. That tour finally allowed me to see my 2 favourite songs of all time and my favourite album of all time live, plus ACoS - I'd been a bit unfortunate with missing out on seeing the band playing a lot of my favourite tunes before then.
But now, I wouldn't mind seeing a more Mangini-era set - provided that I really enjoy the new album. I would be surprised if I didn't, but there's always a chance that it just might not click. I would also echo the idea of picking older songs that they haven't played for a while (eg. In the Name of God, The Glass Prison) instead of the likes of TSCO again. And I also agree that it's time BAI had a rest. Best song since Octavarium, but it has been played so much over the last few years and it's quite a large chunk of the set to dedicate to the same song again.
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Yeah Tac, I get what you mean. Two older songs as encore wouldn't have hurt. Otherwise I agree with Bosk about JP doing a great job with setlists and I'm sure that he will do it as well next time.
This thread was just a food for thought, your reaction for a setlist shaped like I said, give or take, song in or song out, like I said:
New song
New song
Surrender to Reason
The Gift of Music
Ravenskill (or just anything else off the album)
Our New World
New song
Outrrcy
New song
Behind the Veil
New song
Breaking All Illusions (or Bridges in the Sky)
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The Glass Prison
Panick Attack (or another fan favorite from post Awake and before Black Clouds)
Home
Personally, I would applaud the bold choice. And having an encore of fan favorites, whatever songs you might think may be such a thing (I think we all agree that we want The Glass Prison back), could be a balance to the newer stuff that came before.
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I wouldn't have a problem with that, but it's unlikely that they would construct a setlist solely of Mangini era stuff. Way too much history, and songs for them to ignore. And a tour without Pull Me Under is not going to happen. I can't remember if they have had a tour where they didn't perform it. For some people, that is the only song they know from the band, and the only reason they show up into a show!
Having Mangini era material be the focus shouldn't be a problem, provided that they include PMU, and let's say This Dying Soul, Learning to Live and maybe Spirit Carries On
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And a tour without Pull Me Under is not going to happen. I can't remember if they have had a tour where they didn't perform it. For some people, that is the only song they know from the band, and the only reason they show up into a show!
They had SEVERAL tours without Pull me Under, Metropolis, or both. Without even going that far back in time, the 2014 tour for the self titled album had no songs from Images and Words AT ALL.
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And a tour without Pull Me Under is not going to happen. I can't remember if they have had a tour where they didn't perform it. For some people, that is the only song they know from the band, and the only reason they show up into a show!
They had SEVERAL tours without Pull me Under, Metropolis, or both. Without even going that far back in time, the 2014 tour for the self titled album had no songs from Images and Words AT ALL.
yes largely (except for some dates in Japan and festival appearances if I'm not mistaken. I for one liked not having PMU on that tour (wouldn't have fit in with what they did on that tour IMHO)
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And a tour without Pull Me Under is not going to happen. I can't remember if they have had a tour where they didn't perform it. For some people, that is the only song they know from the band, and the only reason they show up into a show!
They had SEVERAL tours without Pull me Under, Metropolis, or both. Without even going that far back in time, the 2014 tour for the self titled album had no songs from Images and Words AT ALL.
Ok, thanks for the clarification! :tup
I've seen them only twice, and last time I saw them was back during the ADTOE days. But I still think it is a bad move for them to go out without PMU, since it is their only hit, and thus represents the band like no other song in their discography.
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On the contrary - I think it's an excellent move, carrer wise, to rotate among your "hits" and never having fixed staples tour after tour, that way you don't find yourself in the middle of your carrer with 7 songs you always "have" to play at every damn show.
If they rotate them from the beginning, no song is sacred and fans come to know and accept that. If you play the same classic songs every time, the moment you finally drop one there's an uproar from fans.
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I think the time had come. It's a great idea with plenty of excellent music to choose from.
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The one element of post-Portnoy DT that I have consistently been satisfied with is the setlists. I have no doubt that they will deliver with whatever they come up with. More Mangini era material is fine by me. I'd like to see them give BAI a break, but other than that I'm fine with just about anything.
Have they indicated that the next tour will probably not be in the Evening With format? I was hoping that would become the new standard, but if they get a great opening act it's fine.
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I'm OK with a Mangini-Era setlist, but I don't think it would be very interesting. I think it's cool to see and hear Mangini tackle different MP-era songs, and there are many many songs they haven't played with MM. But I'll be happy either way, especially if they play Surrender to Reason, Behind the Veil, and/or Far From Heaven.
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I would love a Mangini era heavy set list, although I think the majority of the fan base wouldn't be that crazy about it. I could go for three or four tracks from ADTOE, two from DT12 and a nice streak of four to five songs from The Astonishing, combined with
stuff from the new album and two to three major classics for the encore. That would be fantastic. :metal
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And a tour without Pull Me Under is not going to happen. I can't remember if they have had a tour where they didn't perform it. For some people, that is the only song they know from the band, and the only reason they show up into a show!
They had SEVERAL tours without Pull me Under, Metropolis, or both. Without even going that far back in time, the 2014 tour for the self titled album had no songs from Images and Words AT ALL.
Yup, I read that and was like no way, I hadn't seen PMU the first handful of times I saw DT and was actually starting to get bummed about not getting a chance to see it. I'm cool with them dropping that again, but I think they can't do a mostly MM set and not do a couple of the fan favorites from either PMU, Metropolis, TSCO, As I Am. I mean, I am tired of seeing those all live, but they are songs the common fans likes to see so I can't see them dropping all of them.
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As much as I love the "evening with" format, it seems to be SO hard on James. I suspect we could get more consistently good performances if they went back to having an opener.
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On the contrary - I think it's an excellent move, carrer wise, to rotate among your "hits" and never having fixed staples tour after tour, that way you don't find yourself in the middle of your carrer with 7 songs you always "have" to play at every damn show.
If they rotate them from the beginning, no song is sacred and fans come to know and accept that. If you play the same classic songs every time, the moment you finally drop one there's an uproar from fans.
100% this. I'm very glad they never locked themselves into having to play PMU or any song at every single show.
To the OP, I'd have no problems with a heavy Mangini-era setlist, but would also like to see some older songs that haven't been played in a while.
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As much as I love the "evening with" format, it seems to be SO hard on James. I suspect we could get more consistently good performances if they went back to having an opener.
This. For James' vocal sake, shorter sets are the way to go.
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As much as I love the "evening with" format, it seems to be SO hard on James. I suspect we could get more consistently good performances if they went back to having an opener.
This. For James' vocal sake, shorter sets are the way to go.
They could also add more instrumentals into the setlist.
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About the older songs, there's lots of them they haven't played yet with this lineup, so here I made a list of all songs they HAVEN'T played live with MM. I'll include a :tdwn with the songs I don't think they'll ever play live again or that I personally don't want them to play again :biggrin:
WDADU:
Status Seeker :tdwn
The Killing Hand
Light Fuse and Get Away :tdwn
The Ones Who Help to Set The Sun :tdwn
Only a Matter of Time
Awake:
Innocence Faded :tdwn
Erotomania
Voices
FII:
New Millenium :tdwn
You Not Me :tdwn
Hollow Years
Lines in the Sand
Take Away My Pain :tdwn
Just Let Me Breathe :tdwn
Ana Lee :tdwn
SFAM:
Regression :tdwn
Beyond This Life
Through Her Eyes
Home
One Last Time
SDOIT:
The Glass Prison
Blind Faith
Misunderstood
Disappear
Overture :tdwn
Goodnight Kiss
Solitary Shell
About to Crash (Reprise)
Losing Time/Grand Finale
TOT:
This Dying Soul :tdwn
Honor Thy Father :tdwn
Vacant
Stream of Consciousness
In The Name of God
Octavarium:
The Answer Lies Within
I Walk Beside You :tdwn
Never Enough :tdwn
Sacrificed Sons
Octavarium
SC:
In The Presence of Enemies (both parts)
Repentance :tdwn
Prophets of War :tdwn
The Ministry of Lost Souls
BC&SL:
A Nightmare to Remember
A Rite of Passage
The Best of Times :tdwn
DT12:
False Awakening Suite :tdwn
Surrender to Reason
Others:
Another Won :tdwn
Your Majesty :tdwn
A Vision :tdwn
Two Far :tdwn
Vital Star :tdwn
March of the Tyrant :tdwn
Eve :tdwn
Raise The Knife
Where Are You Now? :tdwn
The Way it Used to Be :tdwn
Cover My Eyes :tdwn
Speak to Me :tdwn
Raw Dog
There's plenty of material for them to choose.
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I really hope you are wrong about these, especially the bolded ones:
I'll include a :tdwn with the songs I don't think they'll ever play live again or that I personally don't want them to play again :biggrin:
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Status Seeker :tdwn
Light Fuse and Get Away :tdwn
New Millenium :tdwn
Take Away My Pain :tdwn
This Dying Soul :tdwn
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I really hope you are wrong about these, especially the bolded ones:I'll include a :tdwn with the songs I don't think they'll ever play live again or that I personally don't want them to play again :biggrin:
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Status Seeker :tdwn
Light Fuse and Get Away :tdwn
New Millenium :tdwn
Take Away My Pain :tdwn
This Dying Soul :tdwn
Well, they can play whatever they want, so I might be completely wrong :lol but let me explain:
SS: Never been a popular song from WDADU, last time they played it was for the anniversary show, same with LFAGA.
NM: James hates the song, so it won't get played.
TAMP: I love it, but they haven't played it since the FII tour. It seems they just don't want to play it anymore.
TDS: This one would take too much time on the setlist and it's not one of their best songs/fan favorites (opposed to TGP, for example).
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SS: Never been a popular song from WDADU, last time they played it was for the anniversary show, same with LFAGA.
Yes, I know. And to be honest, I think you are right. But I subjectively like it, and I think it comes across better live than on album. I would love to actually see it in person. Same with LFAGA (but of the two, I would more prefer SS because it is shorter and easier to work into a set).
NM: James hates the song, so it won't get played.
I could be wrong, but I think "hates" is overstating it. I think he doesn't particularly care for it, but does not actively dislike it. But I could be wrong. Honestly, I guess I wouldn't be heartbroken if they didn't play it again, since I have seen it in person, and we have a great version of the album arrangement on L@B and the incredible CIANM on LSFNY.
TAMP: I love it, but they haven't played it since the FII tour. It seems they just don't want to play it anymore.
I don't think it is an issue of "want." I mean, I haven't spoken to them about it, so I'm speculating a bit. But if I had to guess, I think JP is quite fond of it and would play it if given a chance. And I think Jordan would happily go along with that as well. I think (and, again, I'm guessing just a bit) that they don't play it simply because (1) there is only so much time in a given set that they want to dedicate to "ballads" or softer songs, and they usually have a couple on whatever their most recent album is, so those newer ones get favored, and (2) it isn't one that probably gets a strong audience reaction. But I really do hope they give this song a last go-around. It's a great song and deserves to be played. I would love to see it in person. And, to me, it is VASTLY superior to any "ballad" they have ever done in the Portnoy era of the band other than Vacant and Disappear.
TDS: This one would take too much time on the setlist and it's not one of their best songs/fan favorites (opposed to TGP, for example).
Yeah, both are fair points. But as to the song length, it is long, but I don't think it is prohibitively so. They have regularly played songs with that approximate running time. I don't think that would be an issue in and of itself. And as to "fan favorites," while they do take that into consideration, it has never kept them from playing something unless they felt that the fan base actively disliked or was really indifferent to a song. I remember it getting a pretty good reaction on the TOT tour. And the band likes playing their heavier songs. I could actually see this making an appearance in the future. And while it is far from one of my favorites, I would love to see it again live because it is really quite good in a live setting.
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As much as I love the "evening with" format, it seems to be SO hard on James. I suspect we could get more consistently good performances if they went back to having an opener.
This. For James' vocal sake, shorter sets are the way to go.
They could also add more instrumentals into the setlist.
I'm voting for Stream of consciousness, James would have a terrific break. :lol
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What if the next tour is Mangini-era heavy?
It SHOULD be. I'm not even a huge fan of the output of this era, and even I would support that. Dream Theater needs to maintain its relevance. The only way to do that is to very carefully balance how they tour and what they play. I think DT has always been extremely savvy in this regard. Frankly, I was surprised they relented and did an anniversary tour of I&W. But given perhaps that they swung the pendulum so far one way with the last album, it was necessary (both creatively, and financially) to do so.
But yeah, from here on, I really do think they need to be heavy on the Mangini-era of the band. DT has gotten itself into a bit of a spot because of the length of its songs. But I would say, they should probably shelve ALL I&W material for the next couple of album cycle tours (and of course WDADU), and perhaps just play a track from Awake, none from FII, and then play a song or two from SFAM-Black Clouds, and the rest of the set should be Mangini era tunes.
To be relevant, you need to support your new music, and let it become classic with fans. That doesn't mean that you ignore your past, but you don't dwell on it. A very, very fine balance, that up until the last tour or so, DT was very good at doing. I suspect, and I expect they will get back to walking that tightrope masterfully on the next tour.
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Dead on, Sam.
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...they should probably shelve ALL I&W material for the next couple of album cycle tours (and of course WDADU), and perhaps just play a track from Awake, none from FII, and then play a song or two from SFAM-Black Clouds, and the rest of the set should be Mangini era tunes.
Indeed. I would even shelve Awake.
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NM: James hates the song, so it won't get played.
Where does that come from? An interview or something?
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...they should probably shelve ALL I&W material for the next couple of album cycle tours (and of course WDADU), and perhaps just play a track from Awake, none from FII, and then play a song or two from SFAM-Black Clouds, and the rest of the set should be Mangini era tunes.
Indeed. I would even shelve Awake.
Well, they've played the entire thing except Voices in the Mangini era.
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I believe there is some songs James hates to perform but he does anyway. So, why not NM?
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NM: James hates the song, so it won't get played.
Where does that come from? An interview or something?
Yeah, he was asked which songs he prefers the least and he named New Millennium. He never said he "hated" it, just named it as a song not interesting for him to sing.
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Yeah, he was asked which songs he prefers the least and he named New Millennium. He never said he "hated" it, just named it as a song not interesting for him to sing.
Oh, okay, thanks!!
That's actually a shame cause I really like New Millennium, I feel there's this cool rock vibe in it and that James's voice, even with some struggling, sounds so powerful. But as said above, James' feelings for the song don't necessarily mean it won't be played some day and I really hope they do it anyway!! :lol
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...they should probably shelve ALL I&W material for the next couple of album cycle tours (and of course WDADU), and perhaps just play a track from Awake, none from FII, and then play a song or two from SFAM-Black Clouds, and the rest of the set should be Mangini era tunes.
Indeed. I would even shelve Awake.
Well, they've played the entire thing except Voices in the Mangini era.
And maybe that's the lone song from that album they do, as a centerpiece for the show. And then everything else is Mangini era material, and a smattering of SFAM-BCSL. For me personally, being a fan mostly of I&W-FII/ACOS, it wouldn't be ideal, but I also think it is in DT's best interest to do so. Again, just my .02.
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So...since I have only been a fan since Jan 2016 and saw TA 3x (missed IAW Beyond - sick child, VIP unused.. :'( )
Everything would be great for me!! But..Octavarium is one I would want to see above any other one. I would really
be bummed if it weren't "An Evening With", as I don't want to see any other band as much as DT, but I get the James
thing - for his benefit... I am good with his singing.. :yarr
My fave Album is ADTOE. Obviously I haven't seen my 2nd fave BAI..And.. every song on that album is fantastic so Mangini era
material would be fine.. And apparently since BTV hasn't been played much, that would be good as I really dig that song also.
OOh and Voices yea!
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missed IAW Beyond - sick child, VIP unused.. :'(
Bummer. Did you use VIP at any other shows?
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Yeah, he was asked which songs he prefers the least and he named New Millennium. He never said he "hated" it, just named it as a song not interesting for him to sing.
Oh, okay, thanks!!
That's actually a shame cause I really like New Millennium, I feel there's this cool rock vibe in it and that James's voice, even with some struggling, sounds so powerful. But as said above, James' feelings for the song don't necessarily mean it won't be played some day and I really hope they do it anyway!! :lol
He never said he hated it, you guys are right. This is the actual quote, he makes it sound like he’s done performing it, though:
Here’s a question that a fan asked me to bring up: What are your favorite and least favorite songs to perform live?
Uuuuuh… Least favorite… I would say, probably… I don’t know… New Millennium. That song, I just didn’t feel it. There were some cool moments in it, I just didn’t… whenever we performed it, I didn’t feel it. The favorite song for me is… I love Scarred, I love performing that live. And… well, Octavarium, that whole frickin’ thing… Ministry of Lost Souls and that… I don’t know… Octavarium in itself, this song, I loved performing. I thought it was an amazing song. It’s kinda hard. That’s a hard question to answer cause there’s so many moments that I know… cause 99 percent of the songs, I love singing
Source: https://www.prog-sphere.com/interviews/resurfacing-an-interview-with-james-labrie/
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I’d be perfectly happy with a Mangini era heavy set list, I’d even be happy with an exclusively Mangini era set. I don’t think they’d go completely Mangini era (apart from The Astonishing tour) but I’d have no issue with it. There’s been some great stuff on his 3 albums and I expect there will be on the new one.
That being said, I’d also have no issue if they continue to mix it up and pull out some lesser played songs like The Glass Prison, The Count Of Tuscany, The Killing Hand, Lines In The Sand etc.
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missed IAW Beyond - sick child, VIP unused.. :'(
Bummer. Did you use VIP at any other shows?
Yes!! Fortunately I did in Anaheim for TA.Took my other son :) And I plan to again. I thought it was something you do once. But it adds so much to the night. Plus, I want to support them so they keep playing!!
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I wouldn't mind at all if the next tour would be Mangini-Era heavy! BUT I could really see the band performing Octavarium again (also with JLB saying he loves it), which would be my #1 wish (as indicated in the other thread). It's probably my favourite DT song and I haven't seen it live yet (my first concert was 2009).
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I’d be perfectly happy with a Mangini era heavy set list, I’d even be happy with an exclusively Mangini era set. I don’t think they’d go completely Mangini era (apart from The Astonishing tour) but I’d have no issue with it. There’s been some great stuff on his 3 albums and I expect there will be on the new one.
That being said, I’d also have no issue if they continue to mix it up and pull out some lesser played songs like The Glass Prison, The Count Of Tuscany, The Killing Hand, Lines In The Sand etc.
LITS? Oh dear me, please, no. No more FII. No more Octa. I could live with TKH (without Another Hand though) And as much of DT14 as possible.
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missed IAW Beyond - sick child, VIP unused.. :'(
Bummer. Did you use VIP at any other shows?
Yes!! Fortunately I did in Anaheim for TA.Took my other son :) And I plan to again. I thought it was something you do once. But it adds so much to the night. Plus, I want to support them so they keep playing!!
and that's exactly why I strive to attend as many DT concerts as possible now (missed the Dramatic Turn tour, I was well peeved about it to put it mildly)
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I’d be perfectly happy with a Mangini era heavy set list, I’d even be happy with an exclusively Mangini era set. I don’t think they’d go completely Mangini era (apart from The Astonishing tour) but I’d have no issue with it. There’s been some great stuff on his 3 albums and I expect there will be on the new one.
That being said, I’d also have no issue if they continue to mix it up and pull out some lesser played songs like The Glass Prison, The Count Of Tuscany, The Killing Hand, Lines In The Sand etc.
LITS? Oh dear me, please, no. No more FII. No more Octa. I could live with TKH (without Another Hand though) And as much of DT14 as possible.
Nah, FII and Octavarium have been pretty underrepresented in recent years, so they are both kinda due.
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Ok. FII was represented on the IWB and Along For The Ride tours though respectively. (Hell's Kitchen and Trial Of Tears respectively) I for one erased the MP era from my concuousness completely (especially FII), that's why I never am partial to that one. To each their own, and if you think these records are due again, go ahead.
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Ok. FII was represented on the IWB and Along For The Ride tours though respectively. (Hell's Kitchen and Trial Of Tears respectively) I for one erased the MP era from my concuousness completely (especially FII), that's why I never am partial to that one. To each their own, and if you think these records are due again, go ahead.
They also had Peruvian Skies on the 2011 summer tour and Burning My Soul on the 2016 summer tour.
It's been represented on every tour except the ADTOE proper tour and obviously TA tour. 4 out of 6 tours.
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Yeah, they have typically played a song. But it has never really been given any sort of in-depth coverage in recent years. Same with 8VM. Not sure why anyone would "erase the MP era from their consciousness," but whatever.
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I’d be perfectly happy with a Mangini era heavy set list, I’d even be happy with an exclusively Mangini era set. I don’t think they’d go completely Mangini era (apart from The Astonishing tour) but I’d have no issue with it. There’s been some great stuff on his 3 albums and I expect there will be on the new one.
That being said, I’d also have no issue if they continue to mix it up and pull out some lesser played songs like The Glass Prison, The Count Of Tuscany, The Killing Hand, Lines In The Sand etc.
LITS? Oh dear me, please, no. No more FII. No more Octa. I could live with TKH (without Another Hand though) And as much of DT14 as possible.
Nah, FII and Octavarium have been pretty underrepresented in recent years, so they are both kinda due.
Being a huge FII fan, I really would like them to play a suite from it of stuff they don't normally due. I know that JLB isn't as fond of doing New Millenium, but I dig the tune. I'd like to see them pull that and You Not Me out, along with Anna Lee, maybe throw in Raise the Knife as well. I know, not gonna happen. And probably not the way to get the fan base excited. But as someone who loves FII, I'd be so happy.
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Yeah, they have typically played a song. But it has never really been given any sort of in-depth coverage in recent years. Same with 8VM. Not sure why anyone would "erase the MP era from their consciousness," but whatever.
Over than the Awake suite and Scenes suite on the DT12 tour, and I&W obviously, every other MP era album has had basically the same exposure.
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[/quote]and that's exactly why I strive to attend as many DT concerts as possible now (missed the Dramatic Turn tour, I was well peeved about it to put it mildly)
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Me too! As many as I can for each tour before my hubby crashes it... :police:
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They also had Peruvian Skies on the 2011 summer tour and Burning My Soul on the 2016 summer tour.
Peruvian Skies is a great song and always killer live. I hope that comes back. :coolio
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As much as I love the "evening with" format, it seems to be SO hard on James. I suspect we could get more consistently good performances if they went back to having an opener.
This. For James' vocal sake, shorter sets are the way to go.
No. Supplementing that time with The Dance of Eternity, Stream of Consciousness, Erotomania, Puppies on Acid, and a new instrumedley is how you remedy that.
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As much as I love the "evening with" format, it seems to be SO hard on James. I suspect we could get more consistently good performances if they went back to having an opener.
This. For James' vocal sake, shorter sets are the way to go.
No. Supplementing that time with The Dance of Eternity, Stream of Consciousness, Erotomania, Puppies on Acid, and a new instrumedley is how you remedy that.
And we're not even counting on the possibility of having a new instrumental in DT14!
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As much as I love the "evening with" format, it seems to be SO hard on James. I suspect we could get more consistently good performances if they went back to having an opener.
This. For James' vocal sake, shorter sets are the way to go.
No. Supplementing that time with The Dance of Eternity, Stream of Consciousness, Erotomania, Puppies on Acid, and a new instrumedley is how you remedy that.
That would work for one tour, but they’d run out of instrumentals to use very fast :lol
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I'd be OK dropping some FII songs and one reason is becuase MP/DS seem to enjoy playing those. I say let them have it. DT has nothing to prove playing those songs and it's mostly considered to be a lesser favorite of the DT catalog. They've played enough of it lately, although I do love me some LITS and would love to see Anna Lee, but the reality is I am OK with them not doing more FII. I really want more of disc 1 from SDOIT. I feel that gets ignored the most.
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As much as I love the "evening with" format, it seems to be SO hard on James. I suspect we could get more consistently good performances if they went back to having an opener.
This. For James' vocal sake, shorter sets are the way to go.
No. Supplementing that time with The Dance of Eternity, Stream of Consciousness, Erotomania, Puppies on Acid, and a new instrumedley is how you remedy that.
That would work for one tour, but they’d run out of instrumentals to use very fast :lol
I'm a little puzzled about the notion that shorter sets are needed "for James' vocal sake." Aside from the fact that DT has a bunch of long instrumentals, most of their longer songs have long instrumental sections that likely give James all the time he needs for diggin' holes. Maybe someone has the time and inclination to figure this out, but I'd wager that, for example, he does as much singing on the 5:30 "Surrounded" as he does on the 11:30 "Learning to Live." It's not like he's singing for all of "Octavarium's" 24:00.
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Why can't we let someone else sing for a change? Let Rudess sing a few.
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Why can't we let someone else sing for a change? Let Rudess sing a few.
Why would we want anyone else to sing? Unless it was a cover song, I wouldn't want any of the other guys in the band to sing a DT tune. I like the idea of using instrumentals instead. I'd really love for them to just do a jam or two, maybe just insert some short interludes. One time it's JP and JR, another time it's JR and MM, then near the end you get the four of them for a longer jam/interlude before the do the final few songs of the night. There's just too much talent to not be able to enjoy watching the four guys jam out for a few minutes here and there.
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Why can't we let someone else sing for a change?
Because... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5gloy7sxuc
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Why can't we let someone else sing for a change? Let Rudess sing a few.
Why would we want anyone else to sing? Unless it was a cover song, I wouldn't want any of the other guys in the band to sing a DT tune. I like the idea of using instrumentals instead. I'd really love for them to just do a jam or two, maybe just insert some short interludes. One time it's JP and JR, another time it's JR and MM, then near the end you get the four of them for a longer jam/interlude before the do the final few songs of the night. There's just too much talent to not be able to enjoy watching the four guys jam out for a few minutes here and there.
T'was just a joke.
Why can't we let someone else sing for a change?
Because... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5gloy7sxuc
I can't open that at work, but if it's the audio of JP singing The Spirit Carries on, then :rollin :rollin
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Why can't we let someone else sing for a change?
Because... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5gloy7sxuc
I can't open that at work, but if it's the audio of JP singing The Spirit Carries on, then :rollin :rollin
It is :rollin
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Why can't we let someone else sing for a change? Let Rudess sing a few.
Why would we want anyone else to sing? Unless it was a cover song, I wouldn't want any of the other guys in the band to sing a DT tune. I like the idea of using instrumentals instead. I'd really love for them to just do a jam or two, maybe just insert some short interludes. One time it's JP and JR, another time it's JR and MM, then near the end you get the four of them for a longer jam/interlude before the do the final few songs of the night. There's just too much talent to not be able to enjoy watching the four guys jam out for a few minutes here and there.
T'was just a joke.
JR recently was singing during his solo shows I understand (I didn't hear or watch any videos, just read it) and was thinking maybe that's where the idea came from.
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Why can't we let someone else sing for a change? Let Rudess sing a few.
Why would we want anyone else to sing? Unless it was a cover song, I wouldn't want any of the other guys in the band to sing a DT tune. I like the idea of using instrumentals instead. I'd really love for them to just do a jam or two, maybe just insert some short interludes. One time it's JP and JR, another time it's JR and MM, then near the end you get the four of them for a longer jam/interlude before the do the final few songs of the night. There's just too much talent to not be able to enjoy watching the four guys jam out for a few minutes here and there.
T'was just a joke.
Why can't we let someone else sing for a change?
Because... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5gloy7sxuc
I can't open that at work, but if it's the audio of JP singing The Spirit Carries on, then :rollin :rollin
Apparently cramx3's browser doesn't display the sarcasm font.
That recording of TSCO is GOLD, but it's kinda sad that bongo is (presumably) no longer with us.
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Apparently cramx3's browser doesn't display the sarcasm font.
Was there a font in chinos post because if so then this is true. I thought typically we go green font for that here? I totally didn't get that it was a joke and if its due to a font then that explains it.
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Wouldn't bother me if most or all of the set were from 2011 and later.
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I'd actually be interested in that (as long as they skip the last album completely). Plenty of good material to chose from despite some duds that made some album a bit difficult for me - but as long as they leave out ALL concept albums I'm mostly fine.
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And I'll be looking forward to the point where they have enough material with Mike M to solely rely on that on tour (meaning in 3,4,5,6 album cycles' time after DT14)
(Portnoy-era DT never computes with me), however I've always liked observing how he interprets the things that happened before he joined. (Kind of like: Ah that's how it was meant to be played). That being said, I've enjoyed every Mangini-era tour I've attended and all of them (excluding Astonishing) had Portnoy-era material, so...
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This would be great. There's still a few songs off ADToE I haven't heard and DT12 also has a few that haven't been played in the US. A small Astonishing segment would be okay but I understand if only a track or two (if any) is played.
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This would be great. There's still a few songs off ADToE I haven't heard and DT12 also has a few that haven't been played in the US. A small Astonishing segment would be okay but I understand if only a track or two (if any) is played.
that actually was the case on the IW/B tour last year (The Gift Of Music and Our New World were played in the first half)
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And I'll be looking forward to the point where they have enough material with Mike M to solely rely on that on tour (meaning in 3,4,5,6 album cycles' time after DT14)
I think they could now have a setlist of all Mangini era songs (especially after DT14 is released). I hope, however, they never get to a point where they completely abandon the pre-Mangini material. That would be incredibly disappointing.
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This would be great. There's still a few songs off ADToE I haven't heard and DT12 also has a few that haven't been played in the US. A small Astonishing segment would be okay but I understand if only a track or two (if any) is played.
that actually was the case on the IW/B tour last year (The Gift Of Music and Our New World were played in the first half)
Not in the US though (thinking since the US got two full TA tours). But I would also love for a TA segment( or two if they are smaller) thrown into the setlist. There's too much good music on that album to just throw it to the side and not get more follow up plays on the next tours.
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And I'll be looking forward to the point where they have enough material with Mike M to solely rely on that on tour (meaning in 3,4,5,6 album cycles' time after DT14)
I think they could now have a setlist of all Mangini era songs (especially after DT14 is released). I hope, however, they never get to a point where they completely abandon the pre-Mangini material. That would be incredibly disappointing.
Why?
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This would be great. There's still a few songs off ADToE I haven't heard and DT12 also has a few that haven't been played in the US. A small Astonishing segment would be okay but I understand if only a track or two (if any) is played.
that actually was the case on the IW/B tour last year (The Gift Of Music and Our New World were played in the first half)
Not in the US though (thinking since the US got two full TA tours). But I would also love for a TA segment( or two if they are smaller) thrown into the setlist. There's too much good music on that album to just throw it to the side and not get more follow up plays on the next tours.
I'm sure you're right. (I attended the concert in Hamburg on that tour, so I only refer to what I've experienced.)
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And I'll be looking forward to the point where they have enough material with Mike M to solely rely on that on tour (meaning in 3,4,5,6 album cycles' time after DT14)
I think they could now have a setlist of all Mangini era songs (especially after DT14 is released). I hope, however, they never get to a point where they completely abandon the pre-Mangini material. That would be incredibly disappointing.
Why?
Well...I've been a DT fan since the fall of 1992, and I first saw them live in November 1992. Without doing too much thinking about it, my three favorite DT albums are MP-era, and probably no more than two of my top ten DT songs are MP-era. Plus, I think it would be inherently disappointing for a band with nearly 30 years of recorded history to abandon the first 21 years of that history.