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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: jammindude on August 16, 2018, 11:08:15 PM
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I did the math today and made an interesting but stupid discovery.
Dream Theater has released more live material, than studio material.
The *official* live releases (including Live at the Marquee) total roughly just over 20 hours.
The 13 official studio albums total just under 17 hours. Granted, there are a few repeats on the live material, but I still thought it was “very interesting.........but stupid.” :rollin
Can you think of any other DT factoid that you find kindof interesting, but might seem a bit “who cares” to just about anyone else?
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I realized just after typing this that I did not include ACOS in my math. Which would add 23 minutes to the studio side of the scale and about 40ish minutes to the live side. But that only makes the gap wider...thus underlining the overall point. :rollin
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J Dude, you on the sauce tonight, bro?
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I remember when it was revealed that The Astonishing had 34 tracks, doing some comparisons with the other studio album; if I remember correctly it took them until Falling Into Infinity from the debut to have their 34th studio song, and probably 34 songs cover 5-6 albums post Scenes as a whole.
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I remember when it was revealed that The Astonishing had 34 tracks, doing some comparisons with the other studio album; if I remember correctly it took them until Falling Into Infinity from the debut to have their 34th studio song, and probably 34 songs cover 5-6 albums post Scenes as a whole.
I love this.
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I did the math today and made an interesting but stupid discovery.
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The 13 official studio albums total just under 17 hours
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Can you think of any other DT factoid that you find kindof interesting, but might seem a bit “who cares” to just about anyone else?
Interesting to think that Dream Theater released more time of studio albums than Rush! Which I roughly estimated in around 14 or 15 hours of music!
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J Dude, you on the sauce tonight, bro?
“Bilbo, have you been at the Gaffer’s home brew?”
“No..............well, yes. But that’s not the point.”
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I remember when it was revealed that The Astonishing had 34 tracks, doing some comparisons with the other studio album; if I remember correctly it took them until Falling Into Infinity from the debut to have their 34th studio song, and probably 34 songs cover 5-6 albums post Scenes as a whole.
I love this.
I went and rechecked.
Lines in the Sand is the 34th studio song released by DT, in album and tracklist order; Hell's Kitchen if you count the EP A Change of Seasons (of course live songs are not included in the count).
To have 34 songs you can sum up all the meta-albums (From Scenes to Octavarium) and you still have 33 songs, one to spare, of course if you count Six Degrees as a single song.
Also 34 is the whole number of songs released from Systematic Chaos to Dream Theater (self titled album).
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I remember when it was revealed that The Astonishing had 34 tracks, doing some comparisons with the other studio album; if I remember correctly it took them until Falling Into Infinity from the debut to have their 34th studio song, and probably 34 songs cover 5-6 albums post Scenes as a whole.
I didn't realize that all 34 TA tracks were songs. Doesn't seem like a valid comparison.
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I remember when it was revealed that The Astonishing had 34 tracks, doing some comparisons with the other studio album; if I remember correctly it took them until Falling Into Infinity from the debut to have their 34th studio song, and probably 34 songs cover 5-6 albums post Scenes as a whole.
I didn't realize that all 34 TA tracks were songs. Doesn't seem like a valid comparison.
Even if you take away the 4 NOMAC tracks, the overall point is valid. There were more songs on TA than on nearly any 5-6 album run.
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Queen's 39th studio track was "'39".
Their 69th studio offering was "Fat Bottomed Girls".
Nothing odd in finding something 'odd' or unusual in a band's offerings.
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At this point, James has been in the band for longer than MP has and he was also part of two more albums. Also, after the release of their upcoming record, Jordan will be tied with MP for the number of studio albums they appeared on.
That's actually kind of weird to think about.
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More time has passed between the date of WDaDU's release (March 6, 1989) and today (August 17, 2018) than passed between the date of the Beatles first recorded release ("My Bonnie" with Tony Sheridan on October 23, 1961) and the date of WDaDU's release.
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I remember when it was revealed that The Astonishing had 34 tracks, doing some comparisons with the other studio album; if I remember correctly it took them until Falling Into Infinity from the debut to have their 34th studio song, and probably 34 songs cover 5-6 albums post Scenes as a whole.
I didn't realize that all 34 TA tracks were songs. Doesn't seem like a valid comparison.
Even if you take away the 4 NOMAC tracks, the overall point is valid. There were more songs on TA than on nearly any 5-6 album run.
What is the overall point? You're saying tracks in one sentence and songs in another. Tracks is just a number. If you're comparing songs then you also have to factor in song length. Just because they crammed a bunch of shorter songs into one album doesn't make it comparable to a 5-6 album run. That's just ridiculous.
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More time has passed between the date of WDaDU's release (March 6, 1989) and today (August 17, 2018) than passed between the date of the Beatles first recorded release ("My Bonnie" with Tony Sheridan on October 23, 1961) and the date of WDaDU's release.
Now that's crazy
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At this point, James has been in the band for longer than MP has and he was also part of two more albums. Also, after the release of their upcoming record, Jordan will be tied with MP for the number of studio albums they appeared on.
That's actually kind of weird to think about.
I was just thinking something similar a few days ago. I believe that sometime during 2021, JR will have been in Dream Theater longer than Mike. Provided he doesn’t retire before then.
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I already noticed how James surpassed Mike (he was one album behind after all), but to think that soon Jordan will surpass Mike as well....
So Petrucci, Myung and James will be the three longest standing members of the band when all it's said and done? and Jordan coming fourth... wow!
(Speaking about the Beatles: I believe MP noted how the time it took them to finish the AA saga was basically the time the whole recording history of the Beatles ran, or something like that)
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At this point, James has been in the band for longer than MP has and he was also part of two more albums. Also, after the release of their upcoming record, Jordan will be tied with MP for the number of studio albums they appeared on.
That's actually kind of weird to think about.
I was just thinking something similar a few days ago. I believe that sometime during 2021, JR will have been in Dream Theater longer than Mike. Provided he doesn’t retire before then.
MP was in from 1985-2010 -- 25 years. JR joined in 1999, so he won't surpass MP until 2024. In terms of studio albums, and depending on whether you count ACoS, JR will either tie or surpass MP when DT14 is released.
(Speaking about the Beatles: I believe MP noted how the time it took them to finish the AA saga was basically the time the whole recording history of the Beatles ran, or something like that)
Pretty darned close! The 12 step suite ran from 6DOIT (January 2002) through BC&SL (June 2009), so 7 years and 5 months. The Beatles first recorded release (as the Beatles) was "Love Me Do" in October 1962, and the final release before they broke up was Let It Be in May 1970, so 7 years and 7 months.
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Depends on your view of the timeline. I’m of a similar opinion as JLB...that the official DT timeline begins in 1989 with WDADU.
EDIT - I’ve always felt this way. I remember getting a promo for SFAM before the release and the sticker said it was the most ambitious thing they had done in their 15 year career. I’ve been eye rolling ever since.
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MP was in from 1985-2010 -- 25 years. JR joined in 1999, so he won't surpass MP until 2024. In terms of studio albums, and depending on whether you count ACoS, JR will either tie or surpass MP when DT14 is released.
MP did 10 studio albums with DT (WDADU, IAW, AWK, FII, SFAM, SDOIT, TOT, OVM, SC, BC&SL), and DT 14 will be Jordan's 10th with DT (SFAM, SDOIT, TOT, OVM, SC, BC&SL, ADTOE, DT12, TA, DT14), so it would be a tie, for now....
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This thread and the Treasure Hunt thread (and many others over the years) are awesome proof that nobody has nerdier fans than Dream Theater... who are also probably the nerdiest prog band ever.
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Marillion on the line for you PetFish to say "Did you forget about us?"
To which most of the world replied, who the hell just called you PetFish?
Seriously though, I tend to think of the DT guys as the least nerdy musicians in a genre replete with nerdy musicians.
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I will defer to you then, sir, as I'm not familiar with very many others besides DT.
I just see what I see here and I'm blown away by the amount of nerdery... at least from the fans if not DT themselves.
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I did the math today and made an interesting but stupid discovery.
Dream Theater has released more live material, than studio material.
The *official* live releases (including Live at the Marquee) total roughly just over 20 hours.
The 13 official studio albums total just under 17 hours. Granted, there are a few repeats on the live material, but I still thought it was “very interesting.........but stupid.” :rollin
Can you think of any other DT factoid that you find kindof interesting, but might seem a bit “who cares” to just about anyone else?
Makes total sense to me, but I'm more likely to pull a live album out than a studio album out these days anyway.
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Awake is the only studio album with lyric contributions by all 5 of the then DT members.
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Awake is the only studio album with lyric contributions by all 5 of the then DT members.
Slow clap
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Wasn't Take the Time credited to the band as a whole?
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Wasn't Take the Time credited to the band as a whole?
Yes, but I asked MP about it on twitter a few years ago and he confirmed it was all of them except James: (https://twitter.com/mikeportnoy/status/281843359016960002)
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Pretty darned close! The 12 step suite ran from 6DOIT (January 2002) through BC&SL (June 2009), so 7 years and 5 months. The Beatles first recorded release (as the Beatles) was "Love Me Do" in October 1962, and the final release before they broke up was Let It Be in May 1970, so 7 years and 7 months.
Actually, Let It Be (the album) was released after the band's split was announced in April.
Doesn't matter, because "Let It Be" (the single) was released in March, so that's 7 years and 5 months as well. :tup
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MP was in from 1985-2010 -- 25 years. JR joined in 1999, so he won't surpass MP until 2024. In terms of studio albums, and depending on whether you count ACoS, JR will either tie or surpass MP when DT14 is released.
MP did 10 studio albums with DT (WDADU, IAW, AWK, FII, SFAM, SDOIT, TOT, OVM, SC, BC&SL), and DT 14 will be Jordan's 10th with DT (SFAM, SDOIT, TOT, OVM, SC, BC&SL, ADTOE, DT12, TA, DT14), so it would be a tie, for now....
I must have miscounted somewhere.
Depends on your view of the timeline. I’m of a similar opinion as JLB...that the official DT timeline begins in 1989 with WDADU.
EDIT - I’ve always felt this way. I remember getting a promo for SFAM before the release and the sticker said it was the most ambitious thing they had done in their 15 year career. I’ve been eye rolling ever since.
I guess it's a matter of opinion, but if you're talking about how much time someone has been in the band, I think you have to start at 1985. All of the band's anniversary moments are based on that year.
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Yes, but I asked MP about it on twitter a few years ago and he confirmed it was all of them except James: (https://twitter.com/mikeportnoy/status/281843359016960002)
Very nice fact I didn't know.. Actually, Mike's response makes absolute sense to both the respective lyrics and even the melodies of each part.. It just fits perfectly which each member's style..
Ok, so, very similar to yours, here's mine:
DT12 is the only studio album with musical contributions by all members..
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DT12 is the only studio album with musical contributions by all members..
Aren't most DT songs credited to the whole band for music?
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MP was in from 1985-2010 -- 25 years. JR joined in 1999, so he won't surpass MP until 2024. In terms of studio albums, and depending on whether you count ACoS, JR will either tie or surpass MP when DT14 is released.
MP did 10 studio albums with DT (WDADU, IAW, AWK, FII, SFAM, SDOIT, TOT, OVM, SC, BC&SL), and DT 14 will be Jordan's 10th with DT (SFAM, SDOIT, TOT, OVM, SC, BC&SL, ADTOE, DT12, TA, DT14), so it would be a tie, for now....
I must have miscounted somewhere.
Depends on your view of the timeline. I’m of a similar opinion as JLB...that the official DT timeline begins in 1989 with WDADU.
EDIT - I’ve always felt this way. I remember getting a promo for SFAM before the release and the sticker said it was the most ambitious thing they had done in their 15 year career. I’ve been eye rolling ever since.
I guess it's a matter of opinion, but if you're talking about how much time someone has been in the band, I think you have to start at 1985. All of the band's anniversary moments are based on that year.
True. I've always found it weird though that the first 4 years of their career was just a bunch of barely not teenagers working at chinese restaurants and playing local shows with a healthy dose of cover songs. Hell, they didn't even leave the eastern time zone until 1992.
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DT12 is the only studio album with musical contributions by all members..
Aren't most DT songs credited to the whole band for music?
Short answer: no..
Very long answer: all DT albums from WDADU to SC -save SDoIT and ToT- credit every song to "Dream Theater", except for some songs that are credited to one band member: WFS and SDV (KM), TSM, Regression and TMW (JP).. In SDoIT, ToT and BC&SL, they credited all songs to "JM, JP, MP and JR", except Vacant (JM and JR) and Wither (JP).. So, no many know this, but the guys (or maybe only Portnoy) made that change in those albums and credited "who actually composed the songs" because they (or he) wanted more participation from James in the making process of the songs, since he seemed to be losing interest even in being there while they were "creating the music to which he'll actually sing over" (these are not exact phrases, but very aproximated to what the interviews in the Lifting Shadows biography say)..
Moreover, another little issue about this was that James in the interviews was actually giving the impression that he was composing the music too, so for all of this they had a reunion in which they ask him to get involve a bit more in the making process and he thought it was fair enough.. So he did and throughout ToT, 8V and SC he was always there at least listening and watching them, and slightly helping to create the songs.. Still, the credits excluded him (and justly).. But since ADToE he kind of replaced Portnoy and started adding actual sections to some songs (some more evident than others, like the post-chorus of BMU,BMD), and the album kept the BC&SL way of crediting, but now would actually make more sense, so to speak, since there are all kind of different combinations of authors..
And we finally got to DT12, the last album until now in having discriminated credits, since TA is entirely credited to JP and JR.. In the self-titled, there are six songs that are, for the first time, credited to every single band member, and not just to "Dream Theater", like those three albums in which James didn't participate and so the "DT" corresponded only to the four guys.. (note that seven songs off WDADU are also credited to "DT", but I think in this one Dominici did contribute to the music, because TYJ excludes him, unlike the rest of the instrumentals that don't exclude James -they don't not because he has co-created the track, but because he didn't co-create any of the songs from I&W to BC&SL)..
So, out of all this mess, I have another one: there are only three songs in the entire DT catalog that are not musically credited to John Petrucci (Wait for Sleep, Space Dye Vest and Vacant)..
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Oh wow, I didn't know any of that. That's actually really interesting. :tup
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DT12 is the only studio album with musical contributions by all members..
Aren't most DT songs credited to the whole band for music?
Short answer: no..
Very long answer: all DT albums from WDADU to SC -save SDoIT and ToT- credit every song to "Dream Theater", except for some songs that are credited to one band member: WFS and SDV (KM), TSM, Regression and TMW (JP).. In SDoIT, ToT and BC&SL, they credited all songs to "JM, JP, MP and JR", except Vacant (JM and JR) and Wither (JP).. So, no many know this, but the guys (or maybe only Portnoy) made that change in those albums and credited "who actually composed the songs" because they (or he) wanted more participation from James in the making process of the songs, since he seemed to be losing interest even in being there while they were "creating the music to which he'll actually sing over" (these are not exact phrases, but very aproximated to what the interviews in the Lifting Shadows biography say)..
Moreover, another little issue about this was that James in the interviews was actually giving the impression that he was composing the music too, so for all of this they had a reunion in which they ask him to get involve a bit more in the making process and he thought it was fair enough.. So he did and throughout ToT, 8V and SC he was always there at least listening and watching them, and slightly helping to create the songs.. Still, the credits excluded him (and justly).. But since ADToE he kind of replaced Portnoy and started adding actual sections to some songs (some more evident than others, like the post-chorus of BMU,BMD), and the album kept the BC&SL way of crediting, but now would actually make more sense, so to speak, since there are all kind of different combinations of authors..
And we finally got to DT12, the last album until now in having discriminated credits, since TA is entirely credited to JP and JR.. In the self-titled, there are six songs that are, for the first time, credited to every single band member, and not just to "Dream Theater", like those three albums in which James didn't participate and so the "DT" corresponded only to the four guys.. (note that seven songs off WDADU are also credited to "DT", but I think in this one Dominici did contribute to the music, because TYJ excludes him, unlike the rest of the instrumentals that don't exclude James -they don't not because he has co-created the track, but because he didn't co-create any of the songs from I&W to BC&SL)..
So, out of all this mess, I have another one: there are only three songs in the entire DT catalog that are not musically credited to John Petrucci (Wait for Sleep, Space Dye Vest and Vacant)..
Thanks man, that was very interesting, didn't know most of that stuff!
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Yes, but I asked MP about it on twitter a few years ago and he confirmed it was all of them except James: (https://twitter.com/mikeportnoy/status/281843359016960002)
Very nice fact I didn't know.. Actually, Mike's response makes absolute sense to both the respective lyrics and even the melodies of each part.. It just fits perfectly which each member's style..
Ok, so, very similar to yours, here's mine:
DT12 is the only studio album with musical contributions by all members..
DT14 will hopefully be the next one in that line though
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Descent Of The Nomacs has more spotify plays than Our New World (1,326,656 & 1,023,142 respectively).
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So, out of all this mess, I have another one: there are only three songs in the entire DT catalog that are not musically credited to John Petrucci (Wait for Sleep, Space Dye Vest and Vacant)..
While technically correct, there is another song JP was credited for, but did not actually write. New Millennium was written only by MP, DS, and JM. I guess it's credited to Dream Theater in the lyric book, but on whatever it's called where people get actual credit for royalty purposes, JP's name was left off because he didn't actually write any music for it. MP talked about this on the Live at Budokan Drum Cam commentary.
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This isn't a factoid, but might be a stupid question.. I always wondered if the band could have kept the name "Majesty" instead of Dream Theater, would they have been more recognized?
This is solely based on the fact that Majesty is a little more catchy and easier to remember. I like the name Dream Theater but it takes people longer to remember that name.. True story.
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This isn't a factoid, but might be a stupid question.. I always wondered if the band could have kept the name "Majesty" instead of Dream Theater, would they have been more recognized?
This is solely based on the fact that Majesty is a little more catchy and easier to remember. I like the name Dream Theater but it takes people longer to remember that name.. True story.
Not only that, but for a lot of people that are fans here in France, Dream Theater's really a pain to pronounce... :rollin
Well to answer your question, it might be, but remember also that they are, given the music they do, restrained to a certain type of public with little possibility to really expand beyond that public.
B.Lee
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I think that Dream Theater is less flamboyant and pretentious than Majesty... Suits much better the creative intent of their works.
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I think that Dream Theater is less flamboyant and pretentious than Majesty... Suits much better the creative intent of their works.
I absolutely agree. Dream Theater is such a cool name, and fits perfectly their music. Majesty would have made them look even more pretentious. "We're royalty because we can play a bazillion notes per second...." (well, that's what the detractors would have said)
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This isn't a factoid, but might be a stupid question.. I always wondered if the band could have kept the name "Majesty" instead of Dream Theater, would they have been more recognized?
This is solely based on the fact that Majesty is a little more catchy and easier to remember. I like the name Dream Theater but it takes people longer to remember that name.. True story.
To answer your question, they didn't kept it because they couldn't, not because they wanted.. After hiring Dominici, a Las Vegas group also named "Majesty" threatened legal action for intellectual property infringement related to the use of their name, so they were forced to change it..
But yeah, I also agree with the guys that Dream Theater is a great name, fits their music A LOT more, and that "Majesty" would've sounded a bit condescending in some extent..
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I think that Dream Theater is less flamboyant and pretentious than Majesty... Suits much better the creative intent of their works.
I absolutely agree. Dream Theater is such a cool name, and fits perfectly their music. Majesty would have made them look even more pretentious. "We're royalty because we can play a bazillion notes per second...." (well, that's what the detractors would have said)
As if they were some kind of demigods or something like that... Sons of a deity, perhaps :biggrin:
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Yeah, Dream Theater is definitely a better name, IMO.
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This isn't a factoid, but might be a stupid question.. I always wondered if the band could have kept the name "Majesty" instead of Dream Theater, would they have been more recognized?
This is solely based on the fact that Majesty is a little more catchy and easier to remember. I like the name Dream Theater but it takes people longer to remember that name.. True story.
The "fact that Majesty is a little more catchy and easier to remember"??
Those things are not facts. They're subjective opinions about which I happen to disagree.
It "takes people longer to remember [the] name" Dream Theater? Which "people" would that be?
I don't think "Majesty" versus "Dream Theater" has diddly doo to do with the extent to which the band is "recognized." It's the music.
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If people don't have the attention span that it takes to remember the words "dream" and "theater" next to another, probably their music isn't for them anyway.
:P
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This isn't a factoid, but might be a stupid question.. I always wondered if the band could have kept the name "Majesty" instead of Dream Theater, would they have been more recognized?
This is solely based on the fact that Majesty is a little more catchy and easier to remember. I like the name Dream Theater but it takes people longer to remember that name.. True story.
The "fact that Majesty is a little more catchy and easier to remember"??
Those things are not facts. They're subjective opinions about which I happen to disagree.
It "takes people longer to remember [the] name" Dream Theater? Which "people" would that be?
I don't think "Majesty" versus "Dream Theater" has diddly doo to do with the extent to which the band is "recognized." It's the music.
Well I've introduced Dream Theater to many people. I would then run into them at a later date and they would say: What's the name of that band again that you introduced me to, Dream something or other? Sometimes it took them several times before they got it right..lol
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This isn't a factoid, but might be a stupid question.. I always wondered if the band could have kept the name "Majesty" instead of Dream Theater, would they have been more recognized?
This is solely based on the fact that Majesty is a little more catchy and easier to remember. I like the name Dream Theater but it takes people longer to remember that name.. True story.
The "fact that Majesty is a little more catchy and easier to remember"??
Those things are not facts. They're subjective opinions about which I happen to disagree.
It "takes people longer to remember [the] name" Dream Theater? Which "people" would that be?
I don't think "Majesty" versus "Dream Theater" has diddly doo to do with the extent to which the band is "recognized." It's the music.
Well I've introduced Dream Theater to many people. I would then run into them at a later date and they would say: What's the name of that band again that you introduced me to, Dream something or other? Sometimes it took them several times before they got it right..lol
I suspect that has far more to do with their level of interest in the music than it does with the name having two words and four syllables, as opposed to one word and three syllables. ;)
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DT12 is the only studio album with musical contributions by all members..
Aren't most DT songs credited to the whole band for music?
Short answer: no..
Very long answer: all DT albums from WDADU to SC -save SDoIT and ToT- credit every song to "Dream Theater", except for some songs that are credited to one band member: WFS and SDV (KM), TSM, Regression and TMW (JP).. In SDoIT, ToT and BC&SL, they credited all songs to "JM, JP, MP and JR", except Vacant (JM and JR) and Wither (JP).. So, no many know this, but the guys (or maybe only Portnoy) made that change in those albums and credited "who actually composed the songs" because they (or he) wanted more participation from James in the making process of the songs, since he seemed to be losing interest even in being there while they were "creating the music to which he'll actually sing over" (these are not exact phrases, but very aproximated to what the interviews in the Lifting Shadows biography say)..
Moreover, another little issue about this was that James in the interviews was actually giving the impression that he was composing the music too, so for all of this they had a reunion in which they ask him to get involve a bit more in the making process and he thought it was fair enough.. So he did and throughout ToT, 8V and SC he was always there at least listening and watching them, and slightly helping to create the songs.. Still, the credits excluded him (and justly).. But since ADToE he kind of replaced Portnoy and started adding actual sections to some songs (some more evident than others, like the post-chorus of BMU,BMD), and the album kept the BC&SL way of crediting, but now would actually make more sense, so to speak, since there are all kind of different combinations of authors..
And we finally got to DT12, the last album until now in having discriminated credits, since TA is entirely credited to JP and JR.. In the self-titled, there are six songs that are, for the first time, credited to every single band member, and not just to "Dream Theater", like those three albums in which James didn't participate and so the "DT" corresponded only to the four guys.. (note that seven songs off WDADU are also credited to "DT", but I think in this one Dominici did contribute to the music, because TYJ excludes him, unlike the rest of the instrumentals that don't exclude James -they don't not because he has co-created the track, but because he didn't co-create any of the songs from I&W to BC&SL)..
So, out of all this mess, I have another one: there are only three songs in the entire DT catalog that are not musically credited to John Petrucci (Wait for Sleep, Space Dye Vest and Vacant)..
Very interesting! :tup
I think that Dream Theater is less flamboyant and pretentious than Majesty... Suits much better the creative intent of their works.
I absolutely agree. Dream Theater is such a cool name, and fits perfectly their music. Majesty would have made them look even more pretentious. "We're royalty because we can play a bazillion notes per second...." (well, that's what the detractors would have said)
As if they were some kind of demigods or something like that... Sons of a deity, perhaps :biggrin:
:rollin
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Since it was confirmed on the other thread that DT14 won’t have an instrumental, I noticed that half of their albums have at least an intrumental track, and the other half don’t.
Albums with an instrumental: WDADU, Awake, FII, SFAM, TOT, DT12, TA = 7 albums
Albums without an instrumental: IAW, SDOIT, Octavarium, SC, BC&SL, ADTOE, DT14 = 7 albums
*I’m not counting SDOIT Overture because it’s part of a big song, not an instrumental track by itself.
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DT12 is the only studio album with musical contributions by all members..
Aren't most DT songs credited to the whole band for music?
Short answer: no..
Very long answer: all DT albums from WDADU to SC -save SDoIT and ToT- credit every song to "Dream Theater", except for some songs that are credited to one band member: WFS and SDV (KM), TSM, Regression and TMW (JP).. In SDoIT, ToT and BC&SL, they credited all songs to "JM, JP, MP and JR", except Vacant (JM and JR) and Wither (JP).. So, no many know this, but the guys (or maybe only Portnoy) made that change in those albums and credited "who actually composed the songs" because they (or he) wanted more participation from James in the making process of the songs, since he seemed to be losing interest even in being there while they were "creating the music to which he'll actually sing over" (these are not exact phrases, but very aproximated to what the interviews in the Lifting Shadows biography say)..
Moreover, another little issue about this was that James in the interviews was actually giving the impression that he was composing the music too, so for all of this they had a reunion in which they ask him to get involve a bit more in the making process and he thought it was fair enough.. So he did and throughout ToT, 8V and SC he was always there at least listening and watching them, and slightly helping to create the songs.. Still, the credits excluded him (and justly).. But since ADToE he kind of replaced Portnoy and started adding actual sections to some songs (some more evident than others, like the post-chorus of BMU,BMD), and the album kept the BC&SL way of crediting, but now would actually make more sense, so to speak, since there are all kind of different combinations of authors..
And we finally got to DT12, the last album until now in having discriminated credits, since TA is entirely credited to JP and JR.. In the self-titled, there are six songs that are, for the first time, credited to every single band member, and not just to "Dream Theater", like those three albums in which James didn't participate and so the "DT" corresponded only to the four guys.. (note that seven songs off WDADU are also credited to "DT", but I think in this one Dominici did contribute to the music, because TYJ excludes him, unlike the rest of the instrumentals that don't exclude James -they don't not because he has co-created the track, but because he didn't co-create any of the songs from I&W to BC&SL)..
So, out of all this mess, I have another one: there are only three songs in the entire DT catalog that are not musically credited to John Petrucci (Wait for Sleep, Space Dye Vest and Vacant)..
Where did you hear JLB came up with the post-chorus for BMUBMD?
Also, your summation is pretty accurate from the lifting shadows book but I think MP exaggerated a bit about James taking credit for writing songs.
To my knowledge he would speak very generally. It's not like he ever said, "Metropolis was the hardest song I've ever written."
He would say, "When we were writing the album..."
And ya know, even if all he contributed was some vocal melodies here and there for everything post I&W, that is still "writing," and he never ever made it sound like he was the main songwriter for any song.
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Yes, that's a good point about James. I think your assessment is pretty accurate.
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This isn't a factoid, but might be a stupid question.. I always wondered if the band could have kept the name "Majesty" instead of Dream Theater, would they have been more recognized?
This is solely based on the fact that Majesty is a little more catchy and easier to remember. I like the name Dream Theater but it takes people longer to remember that name.. True story.
Not only that, but for a lot of people that are fans here in France, Dream Theater's really a pain to pronounce... :rollin
Well to answer your question, it might be, but remember also that they are, given the music they do, restrained to a certain type of public with little possibility to really expand beyond that public.
B.Lee
Reminds me of the french TV spot for six degrees, the group is introduced as 4 virtuosos (first lol) and then he proceeds to repeat several times their name "DRIM TEHATAIR", I was half dead laughing.
It could have been worse (théâtre ?)
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This isn't a factoid, but might be a stupid question.. I always wondered if the band could have kept the name "Majesty" instead of Dream Theater, would they have been more recognized?
This is solely based on the fact that Majesty is a little more catchy and easier to remember. I like the name Dream Theater but it takes people longer to remember that name.. True story.
Not only that, but for a lot of people that are fans here in France, Dream Theater's really a pain to pronounce... :rollin
Well to answer your question, it might be, but remember also that they are, given the music they do, restrained to a certain type of public with little possibility to really expand beyond that public.
B.Lee
Reminds me of the french TV spot for six degrees, the group is introduced as 4 virtuosos (first lol) and then he proceeds to repeat several times their name "DRIM TEHATAIR", I was half dead laughing.
It could have been worse (théâtre ?)
This: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NO4xfcLoQSQ (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NO4xfcLoQSQ) ?
As a French Canadian that made me laugh pretty hard lol.
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This isn't a factoid, but might be a stupid question.. I always wondered if the band could have kept the name "Majesty" instead of Dream Theater, would they have been more recognized?
This is solely based on the fact that Majesty is a little more catchy and easier to remember. I like the name Dream Theater but it takes people longer to remember that name.. True story.
Not only that, but for a lot of people that are fans here in France, Dream Theater's really a pain to pronounce... :rollin
Well to answer your question, it might be, but remember also that they are, given the music they do, restrained to a certain type of public with little possibility to really expand beyond that public.
B.Lee
Reminds me of the french TV spot for six degrees, the group is introduced as 4 virtuosos (first lol) and then he proceeds to repeat several times their name "DRIM TEHATAIR", I was half dead laughing.
When I first saw the band back in 1998 in Toulouse, that's exactly how most people said the name. And I was thinking to myself : "Fuck it, people! It's the first Time the band has been elsewhere than in Paris and you don't know how to say their name! Pffff!" And then, there was the diva behind me that sang for the whole concert in an operatic voice....and it was even worse! :tdwn :biggrin:
B.Lee
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This isn't a factoid, but might be a stupid question.. I always wondered if the band could have kept the name "Majesty" instead of Dream Theater, would they have been more recognized?
This is solely based on the fact that Majesty is a little more catchy and easier to remember. I like the name Dream Theater but it takes people longer to remember that name.. True story.
Not only that, but for a lot of people that are fans here in France, Dream Theater's really a pain to pronounce... :rollin
Well to answer your question, it might be, but remember also that they are, given the music they do, restrained to a certain type of public with little possibility to really expand beyond that public.
B.Lee
Reminds me of the french TV spot for six degrees, the group is introduced as 4 virtuosos (first lol) and then he proceeds to repeat several times their name "DRIM TEHATAIR", I was half dead laughing.
It could have been worse (théâtre ?)
This: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NO4xfcLoQSQ (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NO4xfcLoQSQ) ?
As a French Canadian that made me laugh pretty hard lol.
One guy commented with "drime sciateur, six digrise of ineur turbulence" which sums up this whole embarrassing thing pretty well :rollin
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So, out of all this mess, I have another one: there are only three songs in the entire DT catalog that are not musically credited to John Petrucci (Wait for Sleep, Space Dye Vest and Vacant)..
That is true, although JP was not actually involved in the writing of New Millennium either, even though the music is credited to the whole band. Which in turn does bring up the interesting question of how many other songs are credited to the whole band or even the 4 instrumental members, but certain members were not actually involved.
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Here's an odd factoid:
Kevin Moore receives writing credit for Cover My Eyes.
No joke. Which is strange considering the song was written well after his departure.
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Here's an odd factoid:
Kevin Moore receives writing credit for Cover My Eyes.
No joke. Which is strange considering the song was written well after his departure.
Interesting. I suppose it's always possible. There have been occasions where the band picked out something from an earlier writing session that was never used, and incorporate it into one of the songs they are then working on. Maybe that's what happened with CME. But doing a cursory look online, I saw nothing to indicate that KM got a writing credit for it - can you show where your source for that info is?
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This isn't a factoid, but might be a stupid question.. I always wondered if the band could have kept the name "Majesty" instead of Dream Theater, would they have been more recognized?
This is solely based on the fact that Majesty is a little more catchy and easier to remember. I like the name Dream Theater but it takes people longer to remember that name.. True story.
Not only that, but for a lot of people that are fans here in France, Dream Theater's really a pain to pronounce... :rollin
Well to answer your question, it might be, but remember also that they are, given the music they do, restrained to a certain type of public with little possibility to really expand beyond that public.
B.Lee
Reminds me of the french TV spot for six degrees, the group is introduced as 4 virtuosos (first lol) and then he proceeds to repeat several times their name "DRIM TEHATAIR", I was half dead laughing.
It could have been worse (théâtre ?)
This: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NO4xfcLoQSQ (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NO4xfcLoQSQ) ?
As a French Canadian that made me laugh pretty hard lol.
Precisely !
Best accent evah
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Cover My Eyes: https://www.ascap.com/repertory#ace/search/workID/893087154
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Black Clouds and Silver Linings and Dream Theater (self titled) are the only albums that have not been played live in full.
As far as I know, all the other albums' songs were played live, and the following albums have the distinction of having been performed in their entirety in the same concert(s) :
When Dream and Day Unite
Images and Words
Scenes from a Memory
Train of Thought
Octavarium
The Astonishing
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Black Clouds and Silver Linings and Dream Theater (self titled) are the only albums that have not been played live in full.
As far as I know, all the other albums' songs were played live, and the following albums have the distinction of having been performed in their entirety in the same concert(s) :
When Dream and Day Unite
Images and Words
Scenes from a Memory
Train of Thought
Octavarium
The Astonishing
Dramatic Turn as well (on the tour), not in sequence, but all the pieces from it were played on the tour.
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Indeed, the albums I mentioned are the ones played from the first song to the last song in a row - sometimes as part of a whole tour (Images and Words and the two concept albums), some other times in one or maximum 2 occasions (I believe Train of Thought was played in full at the first date of the tour only, and Octavarium was played in its entirety for sure once, maybe twice or thrice in the course of the tour)
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Cover My Eyes: https://www.ascap.com/repertory#ace/search/workID/893087154
That’s very interesting, Moore got credit and Sherinian didn’t. Maybe CME includes some sections they worked with him before he left. It’d be cool to ask them about this.
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Cover My Eyes: https://www.ascap.com/repertory#ace/search/workID/893087154
That’s very interesting, Moore got credit and Sherinian didn’t. Maybe CME includes some sections they worked with him before he left. It’d be cool to ask them about this.
The part I found interesting was when I clicked on Petrucci's name and got a list of all songs (mostly DT, obviously) on which he is credited as a writer. All of the current and former members of DT are members of ASCAP, except for JR and DS. For songs on which JR or DS has a writing credit, it lists a "percentage controlled by ASCAP," from which you can deduce the percentage assigned to JR or DS (as the only non-ASCAP artist). The numbers on a couple songs were a little surprising to me.
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I believe Train of Thought was played in full at the first date of the tour only
Correct. But if memory serves me correctly, the band actually played all 7 songs at 6 other shows, though not necessarily in order. At the San Diego show, all songs were played in album order, although songs from other albums were inserted in between them. :biggrin:
Another completely useless setlist detail: the band has only performed Through My Words once without continuing on to Fatal Tragedy.
And one last one: the Columbia, MD show in 2009 marked the first time since the WDaDU-era that no IaW songs were included in the setlist; it was also the first show to only feature Rudess-era songs.
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The part I found interesting was when I clicked on Petrucci's name and got a list of all songs (mostly DT, obviously) on which he is credited as a writer. All of the current and former members of DT are members of ASCAP, except for JR and DS. For songs on which JR or DS has a writing credit, it lists a "percentage controlled by ASCAP," from which you can deduce the percentage assigned to JR or DS (as the only non-ASCAP artist). The numbers on a couple songs were a little surprising to me.
Didn't pay attention to that when I was looking at the different credits, but I did find it a bit strange that some songs listed the credits differently from what is printed in the album jacket/sleeve. For instance, WFS is KM's song, but JM, JP and MP are also given credit for it. For Vacant, only JM and JR are given credit, despite the fact that JL wrote the lyrics. And FFH has JM in the credits with JP and JR, whereas the album lists it as JL, JP and JR. I mean, I understand for some albums they were probably more democratic in giving every band member a cut of the songwriting, but some of these just seem a bit weird. Nevermind YNM which has 2 separate entries, one listing Desmond Child along with JM, JP, MP and DS, whereas the other lists just Desmond Child and JP - and yet the credit for YoM (the original version of the song) is credited to JM, JP, MP and DS. What gives? :huh:
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The part I found interesting was when I clicked on Petrucci's name and got a list of all songs (mostly DT, obviously) on which he is credited as a writer. All of the current and former members of DT are members of ASCAP, except for JR and DS. For songs on which JR or DS has a writing credit, it lists a "percentage controlled by ASCAP," from which you can deduce the percentage assigned to JR or DS (as the only non-ASCAP artist). The numbers on a couple songs were a little surprising to me.
Didn't pay attention to that when I was looking at the different credits, but I did find it a bit strange that some songs listed the credits differently from what is printed in the album jacket/sleeve. For instance, WFS is KM's song, but JM, JP and MP are also given credit for it. For Vacant, only JM and JR are given credit, despite the fact that JL wrote the lyrics. And FFH has JM in the credits with JP and JR, whereas the album lists it as JL, JP and JR. I mean, I understand for some albums they were probably more democratic in giving every band member a cut of the songwriting, but some of these just seem a bit weird. Nevermind YNM which has 2 separate entries, one listing Desmond Child along with JM, JP, MP and DS, whereas the other lists just Desmond Child and JP - and yet the credit for YoM (the original version of the song) is credited to JM, JP, MP and DS. What gives? :huh:
I think for business reasons the band occasionally reassigns writing credits. For instance, Charlie used to receive publishing credit for Bombay Vindaloo, but I'm not sure that is still the case. Perhaps this was a token share to make up for Charlie not being credited on Metropolis, for which Charlie arguably might have made some early contributions.
It's possible that additional writers were added to Wait For Sleep after the full band accompaniment version debuted live (and was featured in Live in Tokyo '93). And as a trade-off for adding JP, JM and MP, they could have given KM credit on Cover My Eyes - a song which he obliviously did not write-- this is speculation, but it is also common business practice.
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Charlie used to receive publishing credit for Bombay Vindaloo
No wonder he went back to selling cars, with those royalties from Bombay Vindaloo no longer coming in.
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Another very trivial consideration: we're all so used now to think of "James LaBrie" that by now we all have forgotten that he's actually Kevin to his family and closest, longtime friends.
Can we assume that even the guys in the band got used to call him James rather than Kevin? they presented him as such, to avoid confusion they talk about him as James in interviews, do you think they just told from day one "Ok, we'll call you James" or maybe in private they address him by his first name?
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I've never heard any of them say anything other than James.
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Even James refers to himself as James, not Kevin :lol
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Even James refers to himself as James, not Kevin :lol
I wonder if he would even turn around if someone (at a meet n' greet or in a situation where he's known to be DT's singer) would call him Kevin :D
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I did actually have a fun little interaction regarding the "Kevin" thing in my interview with James:
https://youtu.be/6IfuMAzw96s?t=376
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Another fun thing about it is how the reason for his name change stopped to be an issue pretty soon.
DT: "Hey dude, you're great and all, but we have already two Johns in the band. If we have two Kevins, it's gonna be a mess, you should go by your middle name."
Kevin James: "Well, ok, seems reasonable, I'll be James LaBrie then".
[three years later: Kevin Moore leaves]
Kevin James: FFS
Which brings us to another factoid: Kevin 1 and Kevin 2 are the members of DT that spent the least time together in the band. Second would be Derek with the rest of the guys. Mangini has now more time in the band than Derek and with James personally, and if you only count the recording years (1989-1994), has surpassed Kevin Moore's tenure in the band.
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Even James refers to himself as James, not Kevin :lol
I wonder if he would even turn around if someone (at a meet n' greet or in a situation where he's known to be DT's singer) would call him Kevin :D
I think I remember an interview where he said when he's back home people still call him Kevin. I mean, I think he and his wife have been together since high school so it's not like she's just going to start calling someone James she's known as Kevin for 10 years or however long.
I remember back in the day watching an MTV thing on Marilyn Manson and it showed him at the airport and the person at the desk was calling him "Mr. Warner." It was odd but I guess that's how it goes.
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Yeah, like someone calling out for "Vinnie" and then Alice Cooper turns around :lol
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I have a friend who met Alice with her dad and kind of being a smartass he said, "Hey Vinnie!" and Alice laughed and said, "Only my parents call me Vinnie!"
Afterall, his name is legally Alice Cooper and has been since the mid 70s.
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Where did you hear JLB came up with the post-chorus for BMUBMD?
And ya know, even if all he contributed was some vocal melodies here and there for everything post I&W, that is still "writing," and he never ever made it sound like he was the main songwriter for any song.
Go to Mullmuzzler's "Afterlife" at 4:00.. Ok, that's the chorus.. The section after it feels very similar to the one after the chorus in BMUBMD.. The vibe is the same, it repeats the song name and has some time signature changes that are carried with the voice, unlike most of DT regular stuff.. Also, unlike most of DT stuff, it doesn't sound very "musical" (or melodic), or something that JR or JP would do for that matter..
Another completely useless setlist detail: the band has only performed Through My Words once without continuing on to Fatal Tragedy.
And one last one: the Columbia, MD show in 2009 marked the first time since the WDaDU-era that no IaW songs were included in the setlist; it was also the first show to only feature Rudess-era songs.
Great setlist's factoids Scotty!..
I did actually have a fun little interaction regarding the "Kevin" thing in my interview with James:
https://youtu.be/6IfuMAzw96s?t=376
:lol 9:08 (also, I don't remember having watched that video, but judging by my comment there, I did :|)
another factoid: Kevin 1 and Kevin 2 are the members of DT that spent the least time together in the band. Second would be Derek with the rest of the guys. Mangini has now more time in the band than Derek and with James personally, and if you only count the recording years (1989-1994), has surpassed Kevin Moore's tenure in the band.
That's a nice detail too, but you're forgetting about Charlie!.. :lol He'd be second along with DS I guess?.. More or less..
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Where did you hear JLB came up with the post-chorus for BMUBMD?
And ya know, even if all he contributed was some vocal melodies here and there for everything post I&W, that is still "writing," and he never ever made it sound like he was the main songwriter for any song.
Go to Mullmuzzler's "Afterlife" at 4:00.. Ok, that's the chorus.. The section after it feels very similar to the one after the chorus in BMUBMD.. The vibe is the same, it repeats the song name and has some time signature changes that are carried with the voice, unlike most of DT regular stuff.. Also, unlike most of DT stuff, it doesn't sound very "musical" (or melodic), or something that JR or JP would do for that matter..
That's interesting and I appreciate you pointing that out but is that all you're going off of? I don't think that necessarily means James came up with the post-chorus on BMUBMD
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another factoid: Kevin 1 and Kevin 2 are the members of DT that spent the least time together in the band. Second would be Derek with the rest of the guys. Mangini has now more time in the band than Derek and with James personally, and if you only count the recording years (1989-1994), has surpassed Kevin Moore's tenure in the band.
That's a nice detail too, but you're forgetting about Charlie!.. :lol He'd be second along with DS I guess?.. More or less..
Damn, I totally forgot about Charlie indeed :facepalm: :D
At least Charlie has a tie with all the other guys of the first lineup. LaBrie and Moore's presence at the same time in the band is indeed the single shortest one without a tie with the other members.
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So, I got an itch to do this and went and checked properly, tell me if I've done something wrong and I will update the list.
This is how much the band members spent time together in the band, let's cut the guys a break and let's count 1985 as the starting year of the band, since all those anniversaries that followed were based on 1985:
John Petrucci and John Myung = 33 years
John Petrucci, John Myung and James LaBrie = 27 years
Mike Portnoy, John Petrucci and John Myung = 25 years
Jordan Rudess and John Petrucci, John Myung and James LaBrie = 19 years
Mike Portnoy and James LaBrie = 19 years
Mike Portnoy and Jordan Rudess = 11 years
Kevin Moore and John Petrucci, John Myung and Mike Portnoy = 9 years
Mike Mangini and John Petrucci, John Myung, James LaBrie and Jordan Rudess = 7 years
Derek Sherinian and John Petrucci, John Myung, James LaBrie and Mike Portnoy = 4 years
Kevin Moore and James LaBrie = 3 years
Charlie Dominici and John Petrucci, John Myung, Kevin Moore and Mike Portnoy = 2 years
Chris Collins and John Petrucci, John Myung, Kevin Moore and Mike Portnoy = 1 year
Should the band be active in 2024, Jordan Rudess will have spent the same time in the band with Petrucci, Myung and LaBrie that Mike Portnoy spent with original founding members John Petrucci and John Myung. If we count the active years, from 1989 onwards, it's already a tie.
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I just had a thought that'd be perfect for this thread, so I went ahead & did it.
DT albums sorted by total word count:
TA - 4586
6DOIT - 3321
Awake - 2950
SC - 2877
FII - 2394
SFAM - 2342
OCT - 2088
BC&SL - 2047
TOT - 2014
I&W - 1936
ADTOE - 1860
WD&DU - 1763
DT12 - 1496
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Train of Thought with 7 songs, with one being an instrumental and another one being very shorts, beats 4 albums? wow!
It's obvious why The Astonishing and Six Degrees top off the list. I would have never guessed that Awake would "win" out of the single disc albums.
(Did you count also the samples? 'cause Space Dye Vest alone brings the count way up)
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This might be common knowledge for most of you, but I thought I should point this out:
SDOIT has 6 songs (6th album)
TOT has 7 songs (7th album)
Octavarium has 8 songs (8th album)
They stopped the number album titles with OV, but this wasn’t entirely over:
SC has 7 songs (9th album)
BC&SL has 6 songs (10th album)
They started ascending from 6 to 8, and then descending back to 6 from SDOIT through BC&SL. Black Clouds was the last album with MP and had the same amout of songs as SDOIT, which started this progression. In other words: the story ends where it began.
:biggrin:
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@MirrorMask - I think the only one that's missing in the list is "James LaBrie, John Petrucci and John Myung = 27 years".. Other than that, is correct as far as I can tell..
That's interesting and I appreciate you pointing that out but is that all you're going off of? I don't think that necessarily means James came up with the post-chorus on BMUBMD
No, obviosuly is an assumption, but since my very first listens of BMUBMD and knowing it was one of the three songs credited to James (the other two being FFH, a ballad where his input is easier to deduce, and LNF, where his input is harder to deduce given the long yet cohesive and DT-ish the song is), and having listened to his solo albums and especially that song, I instantly made the connection..
But I guess this would make another great question for James.. How did he participate in the songs he's credited for in the recent albums?.. How was his role in the compositional aspect before Mangini and how is it now?..
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You're right, I forgot about those specific three! edited! :tup
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I don't see a listing for the FULL lineup with MP.
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My list was to try and count how much the single members spent time together in the band, not the full lineups. There happens to be a full line-up for Derek listed because he left the band as he found it (minus the keyboard player of course) so the time Derek spent with any band member together in DT is the same time of all the others. MP has to be counted differently because he spent a different time in DT with JP and JM, with KM, with James and finally with Jordan.
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(Did you count also the samples? 'cause Space Dye Vest alone brings the count way up)
Yes I did, which is also probably why SC is so high (because of Repentance).
I should also probably mention that I copied & pasted from DarkLyrics, while taking out the song titles & notes that aren't lyrics (writing credits, sample credits, characters, section markers, etc.).
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Ok, somehow this has been mentioned before in this thread, but here's another one, very simple:
There's only three songs out of the studio albums that DT has never played live:
-The Best of Times
-False Awakening Suite
-Surrender to Reason
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I have nothing to contribute, but I wanted to say that some of these "stupid" DT factoids are really pretty cool. :hat
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Ok, somehow this has been mentioned before in this thread, but here's another one, very simple:
There's only three songs out of the studio albums that DT has never played live:
-The Best of Times
-False Awakening Suite
-Surrender to Reason
Wasn't FAS played at the beginning of every show during the DT12 tour?
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Ok, somehow this has been mentioned before in this thread, but here's another one, very simple:
There's only three songs out of the studio albums that DT has never played live:
-The Best of Times
-False Awakening Suite
-Surrender to Reason
Wasn't FAS played at the beginning of every show during the DT12 tour?
This.
& if that "doesn't count", wouldn't that also apply to the nomac tracks?
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Ok, somehow this has been mentioned before in this thread, but here's another one, very simple:
There's only three songs out of the studio albums that DT has never played live:
-The Best of Times
-False Awakening Suite
-Surrender to Reason
Wasn't FAS played at the beginning of every show during the DT12 tour?
This.
& if that "doesn't count", wouldn't that also apply to the nomac tracks?
Yep. Also, not from a DT studio album, but Raw Dog hasn't been played live either. All the other DT songs, including leftover songs, b-sides, etc. have been played at least once live.
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I wanna play!
And now albums sorted by words per minute (rounded to the nearest minute).
Awake - 2950 / 75 = 39
SC - 2877 / 79 = 36
TA - 4586 / 130 35
WD&DU - 1763 / 51 = 35
6DOIT - 3321 / 96 = 35
I&W - 1936 / 57 = 34
FII - 2394 / 78 = 31
SFAM - 2342 / 77 = 30
TOT - 2014 / 69 = 29
OCT - 2088 / 76 = 27
BC&SL - 2047 / 75 = 27
ADTOE - 1860 / 77 = 24
DT12 - 1496 / 68 = 22
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Ok, somehow this has been mentioned before in this thread, but here's another one, very simple:
There's only three songs out of the studio albums that DT has never played live:
-The Best of Times
-False Awakening Suite
-Surrender to Reason
Wasn't FAS played at the beginning of every show during the DT12 tour?
This.
& if that "doesn't count", wouldn't that also apply to the nomac tracks?
Yeah, I knew someone would say that, and that's why I said the band didn't play it.. It was through a mere tape how it was "played" in those shows; not through the regular way..
And no, it's not the same as the nomacs.. FAS is an actual instrumental track, while the nomacs (like the negative times on 8V, Sacrificed Sons' intro or the backward fragment at the beginning of TDoE) are sound effects, and are meant to be played like that..
OTOH, I know FAS was created to be played through a tape for the intro of every show on the AFtR Tour, but is still a legitimate DT song (or instrumental in this case) that they actually recorded with their hands and instruments, and they can easily play it at some point..
tl/dr: DT doesn't do play-back.. :lol
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If we go along that way, the Overture from Six Degrees has never been played live.... by DT.
The only time it was actually performed live, an orchestra played it, not DT.
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If we go along that way, the Overture from Six Degrees has never been played live.... by DT.
The only time it was actually performed live, an orchestra played it, not DT.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2002/rodon-club-athens-greece-bd6cde2.html
I found some setlists from the tour supporting Six Degrees, and it seems like the whole suite was performed on that tour!
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Yes, but the Overture was played over the PA, DT came in only for About to Crash.
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Yes, but the Overture was played over the PA, DT came in only for About to Crash.
Why would they do that? Is it not possible to play this on stage? Too many instruments/overdubs?
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Yes, but the Overture was played over the PA, DT came in only for About to Crash.
Why would they do that? Is it not possible to play this on stage? Too many instruments/overdubs?
Yea, it's hugely layered. It also gives the band a few minutes to rest up.
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It would be a bit difficult to precisely find out, but what could possibly be the song where James starts to sing the earliest, and the latest?
For the latest, it's probably Octavarium, followed by In the Presence of Enemies pt 1. But which song has the least amount of time from the start of the song, to James starting to sing? Take away my pain? any of the simpler, shorter songs such Wait for Sleep or I Walk Beside You? if live versions count, it's Take away my pain off Once in a Livetime, he literally starts the song by singing and the others coming in.
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Earliest: The Spirit Carries On
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Earliest: The Spirit Carries On
Just nudges out Silent Man by a single strum of a guitar.
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Totally forgot about those two! yeah, we have the correct answer hehe.
(On the podium there's also My Last Farewell now that I think of it)
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Now you mentioned it, I think there's not even one DT song where the vocals begins alone (like Dancing With The Moonlit Knight or Carry On My Wayward Son - although in the latter one it's more than one singer).
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Earliest: The Spirit Carries On
Just nudges out Silent Man by a single strum of a guitar.
Whispers on the Wind.
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Earliest: The Spirit Carries On
Just nudges out Silent Man by a single strum of a guitar.
Whispers on the Wind.
Winner. If you count the air intake, James comes in before anything else.
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The longest: Stream of Consciousness.
I mean, this thread is called "Stupid Dream Theater factoids". :biggrin:
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Earliest: The Spirit Carries On
Just nudges out Silent Man by a single strum of a guitar.
Whispers on the Wind.
Losing Faythe as well (excluding the cringing)
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I actually thoguht about it one time.. I remember thinking in Fatal Tragedy, The Silent Man and Prophets of War, in that order... but yeah, totally forgot about TSCO, that one beats them all..
And yes, now with TA there's WotW, My Last Farewell, and Lord Nafaryus too..
If we go along that way, the Overture from Six Degrees has never been played live.... by DT.
The only time it was actually performed live, an orchestra played it, not DT.
Yeah, I think this is a special case too.. They didn't play it because they simply can't, as someone explained.. Not like FAS, which they actually can play as a band..
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I found some setlists from the tour supporting Six Degrees, and it seems like the whole suite was performed on that tour!
Nope. You can't always trust setlist.fm to be 100% accurate anymore than you can trust Wikipedia to be 100% accurate.
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100% DT factoid:
-They've never released songs with the following amount of minutes:
0 (not counting the nomac tracks)
15
17
18
20
21
25-41
43-~
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Dream Theater has released 63,017 seconds of studio material across 148 tracks (including ACOS title track).
This means that the average length of a DT song is 426 seconds, or 7:06
(Edit: forgot TLF, Eve, & Raw Dog)
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(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44208389_2259900564085272_334380645855789056_o.png?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent-arn2-1.xx&oh=e6efd0697460f31f41a414c20cff47bf&oe=5C5EA05D)
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I assume that's a Majesty logo shaped graph that lists all the words used by DT given more prominence to the most used ones, right?
Where are anyway the words "water" and "edge" in big? :biggrin:
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I just put in all the lyrics, and thats what came out :D
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I once put in all Kevin Moore lyrics (from DT and all other projects) into a generator and got this:
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/223914_3466172984152_1386651544_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent-arn2-1.xx&oh=1566128faf14e865ed922b0a2da7af12&oe=5C89721B)
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Dream Theater has released 63,017 seconds of studio material across 148 tracks (including ACOS title track).
This means that the average length of a DT song is 426 seconds, or 7:06
(Edit: forgot TLF, Eve, & Raw Dog)
Seriously?
You do realize that works out to 6 minutes and 66 seconds, right?
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(Edit: forgot .... Raw Dog)
Don't worry, we all have.
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Now you mentioned it, I think there's not even one DT song where the vocals begins alone (like Dancing With The Moonlit Knight or Carry On My Wayward Son - although in the latter one it's more than one singer).
I'll Never Fall In Love Again -- Winter Rose is a close contender.
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Longest Instrumental Sections:
#1. The Count Of Tuscany [8:49-14:48 = 5:59]
#2. Breaking All Illusions [5:01-10:36 = 5:35]
#3. Octavarium [0:00-5:32 = 5:32]
#4. Illumination Theory [6:00-11:23 = 5:23]
#5. In The Presence Of Enemies - Part II [9:16-14:35 = 5:19]
#6. In The Presence Of Enemies - Part I [0:00-5:12 = 5:12]
#7. The Ministry Of Lost Souls [6:37-11:19 = 4:42]
#8. A Change Of Seasons [0:00-4:27 = 4:27]
#9. Outcry [4:41-9:07 = 4:26]
10. The Count Of Tuscany [0:00-4:23 = 4:23]
11. Endless Sacrifice [4:54-9:15 = 4:21]
12. Illumination Theory [17:59-22:17 = 4:18]
13. Sacrificed Sons [3:36-7:50 = 4:14]
14. Beyond This Life [5:55-10:05 = 4:10]
15. Trial Of Tears [6:00-10:09 = 4:09]
(or in layman's terms:)
#1. The Count Of Tuscany (Bridge/Ambient section)
#2. Breaking All Illusions
#3. Octavarium (Intro)
#4. Illumination Theory (The Embracing Circle)
#5. In The Presence Of Enemies (The Reckoning/Salvation)
#6. In The Presence Of Enemies (Prelude)
#7. The Ministry Of Lost Souls
#8. A Change Of Seasons (Intro)
#9. Outcry
10. The Count Of Tuscany (Intro)
11. Endless Sacrifice
12. Illumination Theory (Outro/Hidden track)
13. Sacrificed Sons
14. Beyond This Life
15. Trial Of Tears
(side-notes:)
*instrumental tracks aren't counted
*all vocals count, including samples & backing vocals
*didn't consider songs shorter than 8 minutes (I don't hate myself that much)
*based on tracks, not necessarily "songs"
*bottom text
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(Edit: forgot .... Raw Dog)
Don't worry, we all have.
I love Raw Dog! I actually think it's a better instrumental than Enigma Machine.
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Dream Theater has released 63,017 seconds of studio material across 148 tracks (including ACOS title track).
This means that the average length of a DT song is 426 seconds, or 7:06
(Edit: forgot TLF, Eve, & Raw Dog)
Seriously?
You do realize that works out to 6 minutes and 66 seconds, right?
Dream Theater for the glory of Satan :metal
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Well we are in the presence of the Dark Master, after all.
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Octavarium was the first DT album since I&W to not have an instrumental.
DT12 was the first DT album since TOT to have an instrumental.
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Octavarium was the first DT album since I&W to not have an instrumental.
Unless you consider SDoIT one song.
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All of the Big Three in the record industry have the rights to Dream Theater music:
*Universal: When dream and day unite
*Warner: everything else released to date.
*Sony: what they just recorded.
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Including titles beginning with “The”, DT has not written a song title under the following letters;
Q
Z
Will we get one of these on the upcoming?
*Better*
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Maybe a song will be called Under a Glass Moon.
;D
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Maybe a song will be called Under a Glass Moon.
;D
HOW DID I MISS THAT, I’m dissapointed in myself 😂
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Which realistic songs they could do anyway? The Quest for something? too power metal. Quo Vadis? Quantum of Solace? can DT do Bond songs?
Zeitgeist? Stratovarious had a song "Zenith of Power". Zelda maybe? ;D
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Zombies Ate My(ung)
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"Que Seram, Seram"
"Qué pretende usted de mí?" (look it up...)
"The question" (:P)
"Zarathustra's speech"
"Zimbabwean skies"
"Zubat country"
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"Ze question" (:P)
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Zydar Rules
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Zombies Ate My(ung)
:rollin :rollin
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They could do a song called "ZRH" -- the three letter code for the airport in Zurich, Switzerland -- similar to Rush's "YYZ."
The could cover Black Sabbath's "Zero the Hero."
"Zephyr" or "Zodiac" would be an ok song title.
Maybe "Zest for Life."
Under "Q," words like "quandary," "quagmire," "quake" or "quaint" could have some potential.
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edit: didn't realize it was supposed to be starting with the letter, i can't read lol
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Zenith would be a cool song title
Q is a difficult one, but they have written a song called “Lord Nafaryus” so would “Quest for...” really out of left field?
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Well, they've come relatively close to play Quest for Fire by Iron Maiden, since MP would have preferred to cover the Piece of Mind album, but opted for The Number of the Beast since it was more popular.
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if you include the "The"s in the song titles, you can also add the letters K and X to that last. Also G depending on whether you consider Goodnight Kiss a standalone song.
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I think a song starting with Question(s) would be the way to go. As for Z.... how about an instrumental called "Zeal"?
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Well, now that everyone's talking about that "10th song" of the new album, I remembered one very particular factoid about DT, and that is that they don't have a single album with 10 songs, which is a pretty average quantity of songs..
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Well, now that everyone's talking about that "10th song" of the new album, I remembered one very particular factoid about DT, and that is that they don't have a single album with 10 songs, which is a pretty average quantity of songs..
Wow, you're right. How did I never notice that? :o
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The WDADU tour and TA tour are the only two DT album-supporting tours that don’t have any pro shot footage (that we know of).
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The WDADU tour and TA tour are the only two DT album-supporting tours that don’t have any pro shot footage (that we know of).
BC/SL tour as well
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The WDADU tour and TA tour are the only two DT album-supporting tours that don’t have any pro shot footage (that we know of).
BC/SL tour as well
And DoT too.. :neverusethis:
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The WDADU tour and TA tour are the only two DT album-supporting tours that don’t have any pro shot footage (that we know of).
BC/SL tour as well
And DoT too.. :neverusethis:
well, obviously. (dear me...:D)
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The WDADU tour and TA tour are the only two DT album-supporting tours that don’t have any pro shot footage (that we know of).
BC/SL tour as well
Actually there's live pro shot footage from Summer Sonic 2010 and Download Festival 2009 for BC&SL.
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The WDADU tour and TA tour are the only two DT album-supporting tours that don’t have any pro shot footage (that we know of).
BC/SL tour as well
Actually there's live pro shot footage from Summer Sonic 2010 and Download Festival 2009 for BC&SL.
Yes, the Summer Sonic footage is very good btw :tup
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Mike Mangini is the only member of the band who received a box of Cuban cigars from management for Christmas last year.
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Counting current and former members, Charlie Dominici, Derek Sherinian and Jordan Rudess are the only DT members that don't have the same name of another DT member..
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Counting current and former members, Charlie Dominici, Derek Sherinian and Jordan Rudess are the only DT members that don't have the same name of another DT member..
And Chris Collins.
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Counting current and former members, Charlie Dominici, Derek Sherinian and Jordan Rudess are the only DT members that don't have the same name of another DT member..
And Chris Collins.
But he wasn't a DT member..
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Counting current and former members, Charlie Dominici, Derek Sherinian and Jordan Rudess are the only DT members that don't have the same name of another DT member..
And Chris Collins.
But he wasn't a DT member..
But he was a member of the band regardless of the fact that they went by a different name at the time. :P
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Counting current and former members, Charlie Dominici, Derek Sherinian and Jordan Rudess are the only DT members that don't have the same name of another DT member..
And Chris Collins.
But he wasn't a DT member..
But he was a member of the band regardless of the fact that they went by a different name at the time. :P
This. Same band, different name :P
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I'm with ToT on this one. He did specify DT members, twice. And one could also argue that because it was a different lineup, with a different name, that it was in fact a different band, even if it was mostly the same.
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I'm with ToT on this one. He did specify DT members, twice. And one could also argue that because it was a different lineup, with a different name, that it was in fact a different band, even if it was mostly the same.
But every major DT anniversary (20 and 30 years) has been celebrated considering 1985 as the starting point, and that’s when Majesty was created. It’s not like they disbanded and formed a new band with a different name, they were forced to change their name due to legal issues with other band.
Their first “full” lineup had Petrucci, Myung, Portnoy, Moore and Collins, which is almost the same as the first “DT” lineup, just with a different vocalist.
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Also, they recorded WDaDU under the Majesty name, and only changed it in the months before it got released. Same band, different name.
However, I also don't really count Chris Collins, just because he only did demos with the band and never performed on an album. Kind of like how Dave Mustaine was not inducted into the RnRHoF with Metallica for the same reasons.
So I see both arguments, kind of.
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Also, they recorded WDaDU under the Majesty name, and only changed it in the months before it got released. Same band, different name.
However, I also don't really count Chris Collins, just because he only did demos with the band and never performed on an album. Kind of like how Dave Mustaine was not inducted into the RnRHoF with Metallica for the same reasons.
So I see both arguments, kind of.
I know he wasn't, but for me Paul Di'Anno is Iron Maiden's first singer. And James is the second DT singer for me.
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Also, they recorded WDaDU under the Majesty name, and only changed it in the months before it got released. Same band, different name.
However, I also don't really count Chris Collins, just because he only did demos with the band and never performed on an album. Kind of like how Dave Mustaine was not inducted into the RnRHoF with Metallica for the same reasons.
So I see both arguments, kind of.
But we shouldn’t forget that
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/48/f2/7c48f2b8c9040acdb3bc54fcdea16d4a.jpg)
(I know he didn’t but it’s funny anyway :lol)
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Counting current and former members, Charlie Dominici, Derek Sherinian and Jordan Rudess are the only DT members that don't have the same name of another DT member..
And Chris Collins.
But he wasn't a DT member..
But he was a member of the band regardless of the fact that they went by a different name at the time. :P
True, but Collins never performed on any official band releases, so he can be excluded for the same reason that most folks would exclude Jeff Jones as a former member of Rush and Ron McGovney as a former member of Metallica. Also, and while this isn't anything official, one of the 5/8 references that came up when 8VA was released was that the band had five current members and 8 total members (including both current and former members). That wouldn't have worked if you included Collins.
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Counting current and former members, Charlie Dominici, Derek Sherinian and Jordan Rudess are the only DT members that don't have the same name of another DT member..
And Chris Collins.
But he wasn't a DT member..
But he was a member of the band regardless of the fact that they went by a different name at the time. :P
True, but Collins never performed on any official band releases, so he can be excluded for the same reason that most folks would exclude Jeff Jones as a former member of Rush and Ron McGovney as a former member of Metallica. Also, and while this isn't anything official, one of the 5/8 references that came up when 8VA was released was that the band had five current members and 8 total members (including both current and former members). That wouldn't have worked if you included Collins.
He was listed as a former member of the band on The Score so Far... documentary, though.
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I guess we're all right on this one.. :lol
Anyways, semantic issues aside, my point was that six!!! members of the same band share names.. You don't see that very often..
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Anyways, semantic issues aside, my point was that six!!! members of the same band share names.. You don't see that very often..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jackson_5
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:clap:
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:rollin
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:lol
But they're five, not six.. :loser:
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Youngest brother Randy Jackson later joined the group and with the return of Jermaine Jackson, they released Victory, the only album with all six Jackson brothers.
It's actually a pretty good album. It's like The Jackson Five updated for the 80's.
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Youngest brother Randy Jackson joined the group and they released one official album as The Jacksons, titled Victory. It is the only album with all six Jackson brothers.
It's actually a pretty good album. It's like The Jackson Five updated for the 80's.
That tour was HUGE. Allowed the whole family to capitalize on the success of Thriller.
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Youngest brother Randy Jackson joined the group and they released one official album as The Jacksons, titled Victory. It is the only album with all six Jackson brothers.
It's actually a pretty good album. It's like The Jackson Five updated for the 80's.
Torture (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxSfQeCoFUM)
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Anyways, semantic issues aside, my point was that six!!! members of the same band share names.. You don't see that very often..
Just realized this, but Megadeth has more:
- 2 Davids (Ellefson and Mustaine)
- 3 Chris (Poland, Broderick and Adler)
- 2 James (LoMenzo and MacDonough)
- 2 Jimmys (DeGrasso and Lee Sloas, who played on one album)
And there might be more that I missed :lol
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Youngest brother Randy Jackson joined the group and they released one official album as The Jacksons, titled Victory. It is the only album with all six Jackson brothers.
It's actually a pretty good album. It's like The Jackson Five updated for the 80's.
Torture (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxSfQeCoFUM)
The way I worded that description was horrible. Randy had joined the group years earlier, and The Jackson Five became The Jacksons because Jermaine was pursuing his solo career full-time and had left the group. With Randy, they were back up to five, but it kinda made more sense to continue calling themselves The Jacksons, especially if you didn't know how many of them there would be from one album to the next.
Victory is, however, the only album with all six Jacksons as full-time members, as Jermaine had officially returned to the group. Michael's solo career was going full throttle by this point, and by time the follow-up 2300 Jackson Street came out, Michael and Marlon had both left the band, though they appear on the title track. The group officially disbanded after 2300 Jackson Street.
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I just realized that it's been just a little passed 34 months since The Astonishing was released. It has 34 tracks..
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That's Astonishing. :omg:
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100% DT factoid:
-They've never released songs with the following amount of minutes:
0 (not counting the nomac tracks)
15
17
18
20
21
25-41
43-~
Now that they've released the tracks' length for DoT, we can confirm no harm has been done to this very transcendent DT fact.. (?)
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The deluxe version of the new album DOT has been confirmed to be 10 tracks and 60:51.
Co-incidentally, this is the exact same length and track count as the Mars Volta album Deloused In The Comatorium.
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Someone needs to write a piece on all the parallels between Distance Over Time and Deloused In The Comatorium. Track by track, section by section, lyrics, musical hooks, everything. Bonus points for doing this before anyone's actually heard the album yet.
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Someone needs to write a piece on all the parallels between Distance Over Time and Deloused In The Comatorium. Track by track, section by section, lyrics, musical hooks, everything. Bonus points for doing this before anyone's actually heard the album yet.
Well, no-one wanted to do this, so I guess I'll do something.
*ahem*
-Both albums are progressive rock albums
-Both the standard DITC and the deluxe DOT have 10 tracks.
-Both the standard DITC and the deluxe DOT are 60 minutes and 51 seconds.
-Both albums have one bonus track
-Both albums have D and T in their acronyms
-Both albums have some form of a disembodied head facing sideways on the cover
-Both albums feature a lyricist not featured on any of the band's other albums (Jeremy Michael Ward and Mike Mangini)
-Both albums have their 7th track as the longest on the album
-Both albums have the closer as their second-longest track
-Both albums only have one song above the 9 minute mark
-Both albums are the second-shortest in the band's discographies
-Both albums are produced by the bands' guitarist
-DOT has a song called S2N (possibly "signal to noise") while DITC has a lot of intentional clipping
That's about all I could come up with :P
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Well, no-one wanted to do this, so I guess I'll do something.
*ahem*
-Both albums feature a lyricist not featured on any of the band's other albums (Jeremy Michael Ward and Mike Mangini)
Holy crap - I've been a Volta fan for 13 years, but that one is new to me!
I just checked pictures of the vinyl credits on Discogs and, indeed, Jeremy helped with the lyrics!
I was confused because my CD didn't credit him. (In fact, Cedric is credited only a couple of songs, which always seemed weird to me.)
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If I may add:
-Both albums are the first by the respective band for a new label.
-Both albums have a song with the word "light" in its title.
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Wow, I wasn't even serious about the parallels thing (hopefully that was obvious), but of course DTF comes through with a shitton of them anyway! :coolio
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-Both albums have some form of a disembodied head facing sideways on the cover
My favorite.
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This is the first time that in DT album there are 4 songs under 5 minutes (excluding the concept)
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Anyways, semantic issues aside, my point was that six!!! members of the same band share names.. You don't see that very often..
Just realized this, but Megadeth has more:
- 2 Davids (Ellefson and Mustaine)
- 3 Chris (Poland, Broderick and Adler)
- 2 James (LoMenzo and MacDonough)
- 2 Jimmys (DeGrasso and Lee Sloas, who played on one album)
And there might be more that I missed :lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kelly_Family
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After this album, JR will probably have surpassed MP in total music time in DT, can anyone corroborate?
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After this album, JR will probably have surpassed MP in total music time in DT, can anyone corroborate?
In terms of studio albums, he might already be ahead. MP had 4 albums before JR joined, but 2 of those were DTs shortest albums. JR has effectively had 4 albums since MP left, since The Astonishing was a double album. MP likely still ahead if you include ACOS.
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After this album, JR will probably have surpassed MP in total music time in DT, can anyone corroborate?
In terms of studio albums, he might already be ahead. MP had 4 albums before JR joined, but 2 of those were DTs shortest albums. JR has effectively had 4 albums since MP left, since The Astonishing was a double album. MP likely still ahead if you include ACOS.
I did the math. Counting only studio albums and no extra official songs like ACOS, Raw Dog, demos, etc, we have:
MP era (from WDADU to BC&SL, 10 albums): 12 hours 15 minutes.
JR era (from SFAM to DOT, 10 albums): 13 hours 30 minutes.
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Anyways, semantic issues aside, my point was that six!!! members of the same band share names.. You don't see that very often..
Just realized this, but Megadeth has more:
- 2 Davids (Ellefson and Mustaine)
- 3 Chris (Poland, Broderick and Adler)
- 2 James (LoMenzo and MacDonough)
- 2 Jimmys (DeGrasso and Lee Sloas, who played on one album)
And there might be more that I missed :lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kelly_Family
I was obviously talking about first names, but good effort..
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I'm not 100% sure, but I think these are the only songs in which a backing vocalist sings alone (at first I didn't thought it would take me the time it took me to do this, probably because I didn't think about the MP and MP/JP combos ones.. Ok, so this should be it):
The Silent Man John Purdell
The Mirror Mike Portnoy
Hollow Years Mike Portnoy/John Petrucci
Lines in the Sand Doug Pinnick
Fatal Tragedy Mike Portnoy/John Petrucci
Beyond This Life Mike Portnoy/John Petrucci
Home Mike Portnoy/John Petrucci
The Glass Prison Mike Portnoy
Blind Faith Mike Portnoy/John Petrucci
War Inside My Head Mike Portnoy
Full Circle Mike Portnoy
Constant Motion Mike Portnoy
The Dark Eternal Night Mike Portnoy
Repentance Mike Portnoy
Prophets of War Mike Portnoy and MP/JP
The Ministry of Lost Souls John Petrucci
In the Presence of Enemies Pt 2 Mike Portnoy and MP/JP
A Nightmare to Remember Mike Portnoy
The Shattered Fortress Mike Portnoy
The Count of Tuscany Mike Portnoy
(I didn't consider Burning My Soul because I don't know who does that/those voice/s, the two songs in which Theresa Thomason participated because she doesn't really sing any lyrics, and ARoP because the "brothahood" and "fight" are just not singing at all)
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I hope some day Jordan Rudess gets added to that list. He has a nice voice that would be perfect for minimal interactions with James, such as JP does in Ministry of the Lost Souls.
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The lack of any singing and lyric contributions from JR to DT given what he does in his solo albums is simply beyond me.
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At Wits End is the first DT song in at the 9-9:59 range since Misunderstood, nearly 17 years ago
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The most popular Dream Theater individual song in iTunes?
HOLLOW YEARS
Go figure.
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The most popular Dream Theater individual song in iTunes?
HOLLOW YEARS
Go figure.
Well it's a nice song and it's accessible for the non fans of the band. So I guess it makes sense... maybe?
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Another random (and stupid) DT factoid:
Erotomania has never been played in full without Voices being played immediately after.
Also, here is a breakdown of how many DT shows each band member has performed (not including dates from the upcoming tour), according to my personal records:
JP/JM: 1563
JL: 1534
MP: 1143
JR: 1105
MM: 420
DS: 232
KM: 226
CC: 15
CD: 12
SS: 1
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SS: 1
Setlist Scotty? :neverusethis:
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I never imagined Chris Collins did more shows with the band than Charlie :eek
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MM: 420
:hat
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So Jordan on the next tour is gonna surpass Portnoy?
He will forever be one of the most historically members of the band, one of the founding, and his name will always be tied to DT's history, but when it will come down to hard, heartless numbers, at the end of DT's carrer Portnoy's presence will be.... I won't say a footnote because it's too much exagerated, but still, the two Johns, James and Jordan will all have more albums, more shows, more years, more everything in the band that MP actually did.
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SS: 1
Setlist Scotty? :neverusethis:
:lol I was wondering if somebody was gonna say that! Nope - Steve Stone.
He will forever be one of the most historically members of the band, one of the founding, and his name will always be tied to DT's history, but when it will come down to hard, heartless numbers, at the end of DT's carrer Portnoy's presence will be.... I won't say a footnote because it's too much exagerated, but still, the two Johns, James and Jordan will all have more albums, more shows, more years, more everything in the band that MP actually did.
While in terms of number of albums, years, shows, etc. that is true, he has surpassed them in other ways when you consider the amount of time, energy and work that he invested in the band. It'll still take a good amount of time before the other guys (aside from JP) will measure up to what MP did while in the band in terms of all the extra things he did.
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Oh well, I won't dispute that, that's why I stressed that it was all about the numbers only.
Take Michael Kiske with Helloween, for example: only 6 years in the band, 4 albums with them and 2 of them are loathed by the majority of the fanbase, but he will forever be remembered as Helloween's classic singer, even if his replacement, Andi Deris, was in the band for 24 years until his joint return. Numbers aren't everything.
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I'm not 100% sure, but I think these are the only songs in which a backing vocalist sings alone (at first I didn't thought it would take me the time it took me to do this, probably because I didn't think about the MP and MP/JP combos ones.. Ok, so this should be it):
(...)
I know it wasn't the purpose of your post, but I was just noticing the other day how clearly you can tell it's JP doing backing vocals on Solitary Shell. Usually I think Portnoy used to be more upfront in the backing vocal department, so it was nice to hear that it was truly JP on that during the pre-chorus part.
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He will forever be one of the most historically members of the band, one of the founding, and his name will always be tied to DT's history, but when it will come down to hard, heartless numbers, at the end of DT's carrer Portnoy's presence will be.... I won't say a footnote because it's too much exagerated, but still, the two Johns, James and Jordan will all have more albums, more shows, more years, more everything in the band that MP actually did.
While in terms of number of albums, years, shows, etc. that is true, he has surpassed them in other ways when you consider the amount of time, energy and work that he invested in the band. It'll still take a good amount of time before the other guys (aside from JP) will measure up to what MP did while in the band in terms of all the extra things he did.
Since this is brought up, is worth mentioning that is very likely that all those extra things that MP did with and for the band were mainly due to his personality and obsessive–compulsive disorder..
I'm very grateful for what he and the rest of the guys did for this band.. But I just don't see more sacrifice in Portnoy than I see in Petrucci, LaBrie, Rudess or Myung regarding effort and investment for the band..
It is important how many things all of them did for the band, but that's not all that matters.. What matters (too) is why each one of them did what they did, and what it cost them..
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DT Lyricist Contributions:
JP: 93 songs
MP: 22 songs
JLB: 13 songs
KM: 10 songs
JM: 9 songs
CD: 2 songs
MM: 1 song
(working out)
JP: 93 songs
4 from WDADU (AFIL, SS, TKH, TOWHTSTS)
4 from IAW (AD, TTT, M, UAGM)
TLF
5 from A (CIAW, IF, V, TSM, S)
5 from FII (YNM, PS, HY, LITS, TAMP)
5 from SFAM (R, TMW, BTL, THE, TSCO)
6 from SDOIT (M, TGD, ATC, SS, ATCR, LT)
3 from TOT (AIA, ES, ITNOG)
5 from O (TALW, TW, IWBY, PA, O)
5 from SC (all but CM, R, POW)
4 from BCASL (all but TSF, TBOT)
8 from ADTOE (all but FFH)
6 from DT12 (all but STR)
27 from TA
5 from DOT (UA, P, BW, S2N, PBD)
MP: 22 songs
1. Take The Time
2. The Mirror
3. A Change Of Seasons
4. New Millennium
5. Burning My Soul
6. Just Let Me Breathe
7. Strange Deja Vu
8. Home
9. Finally Free
10. The Glass Prison
11. War Inside My Head
12. The Test That Stumped Them All
13. Goodnight Kiss
14. This Dying Soul
15. Honor Thy Father
16. The Root Of All Evil
17. Never Enough
18. Octavarium (Full Circle / Intervals)
19. Constant Motion
20. Repentance
21. The Shattered Fortress
22. The Best Of Times
JLB: 13 songs
1. Caught In A Web
2. Anna Lee
3. One Last Time
4. Blind Faith
5. Disappear
6. Vacant
7. Sacrificed Sons
8. Octavarium (Medicate Awakening)
9. Prophets Of War
10. Far From Heaven
11. At Wit's End
12. Out Of Reach
13. Viper King
KM: 10 songs
1. Light Fuse And Get Away
2. Only A Matter Of Time
3. Pull Me Under
4. Take The Time
5. Surrounded
6. Wait For Sleep
7. To Live Forever
8. 6:00
9. Lie
10. Space Dye Vest
JM: 9 songs
1. Take The Time
2. Learning To Live
3. Lifting Shadows Off A Dream
4. Trial Of Tears
5. Fatal Tragedy
6. Breaking All Illusions
7. Surrender To Reason
8. Fall Into The Light
9. S2N
CD: 2 songs (Status Seeker and Afterlife)
MM: 1 song (Room 137)
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Don't forget:
Another Won (JP)
Your Majesty (JP)
A Vision (KM)
Two Far (KM)
Vital Star (KM)
March of the Tyrant (JP)
Cry for Freedom (Chris Collins)
Afterlife (Chris Collins - original lyrics/vocal melodies)
Don't Look Past Me (JP)
Raise the Knife (MP)
Where Are You Now (JP)
The Way It Used to Be (JL)
Cover My Eyes (JP)
Speak to Me (JL)
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I didn't count those because they weren't officially released, but with them in mind, the totals go to:
JP: 98 songs
MP: 23 songs
JLB: 15 songs
KM: 14 songs
JM: 9 songs
CD: 2 songs
CC: 2 songs
MM: 1 song
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Star sign time! (No rising signs because I don't think their birth times are publicly disclosed)
John Petrucci - Cancer
John Myung - Aquarius
James LaBrie - Taurus
Jordan Rudess - Scorpio
Mike Mangini - Aries
Mike Portnoy - Taurus
Kevin Moore - Gemini
Derek Sherinian - Virgo
Charlie Dominici - Gemini
I think it's fun to speculate on this stuff, but of course it's far from hard science.
It "makes sense" that JP and JM would be members of two of the more introspective star signs (especially JM seeming somewhat aloof at times, matching the stereotype for Aquarius -- not to mention his creativity and unique vision).
The image of JLB and MP both "butting heads" being both Taurus is also kind of interesting. I always thought MP was an Aries (though he was born on the cusp between Aries and Taurus, so that is somewhat relevant).
Anyway, I don't know if anyone else digs this kind of thing here, but I figured I'd post it!
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Don't forget:
Another Won (JP)
Your Majesty (JP)
A Vision (KM)
Two Far (KM)
Vital Star (KM)
March of the Tyrant (JP)
Cry for Freedom (Chris Collins)
Afterlife (Chris Collins - original lyrics/vocal melodies)
Don't Look Past Me (JP)
Raise the Knife (MP)
Where Are You Now (JP)
The Way It Used to Be (JL)
Cover My Eyes (JP)
Speak to Me (JL)
For the bolded:
- I wish they had recorded a version of Cry for Freedom with Chris that was actualy audible so we could understad what his lyrics were.
- If Afterlife was rewritten by Charlie, we shouldn't count the CC version, should we?
- I always thought Kevin wrote the lyrics for DLPM, but it's very hard to find any official sources on who wrote lyrics for their B-side/extra songs, so I probably just read it from a bad source.
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I wish they had recorded a version of Cry for Freedom with Chris that was actualy audible so we could understad what his lyrics were.
Amen! That, or at least have had Charlie sing the song for the WDaDU demos.
If Afterlife was rewritten by Charlie, we shouldn't count the CC version, should we?
Why not? IDNDT was listing "lyrical contributions", which CC did do, even if they were re-written later.
I always thought Kevin wrote the lyrics for DLPM, but it's very hard to find any official sources on who wrote lyrics for their B-side/extra songs, so I probably just read it from a bad source.
To be honest, I just glanced at wikipedia - I don't have all the credits committed to memory and I didn't feel like digging out my copy of the 1999 DTIFC CD to double check. But I'd assume they're correct.
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Amen! That, or at least have had Charlie sing the song for the WDaDU demos.
Like they did with the 89 version of A Vision. I like that version much more than the original because they removed all the unnecesary sections and made it 4 minutes shorter, and the production is also better.
Why not? IDNDT was listing "lyrical contributions", which CC did do, even if they were re-written later.
You're right, sir.
To be honest, I just glanced at wikipedia - I don't have all the credits committed to memory and I didn't feel like digging out my copy of the 1999 DTIFC CD to double check. But I'd assume they're correct.
Wikipedia has Moore as the lyricist for DLPM.
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The shortest amount of time between the release of two DT studio (not live) albums was 574 days.
Train of Throught (November 11, 2003) to Octavarium (June 7, 2005).
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To be honest, I just glanced at wikipedia - I don't have all the credits committed to memory and I didn't feel like digging out my copy of the 1999 DTIFC CD to double check. But I'd assume they're correct.
Wikipedia has Moore as the lyricist for DLPM.
Ooops! :blush Actually, I had only looked at wikipedia for the FII outtakes and Majesty demos. My mistake. :P
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The 28 shortest DT songs (16 of which are from The Astonishing) can fit on one 80 minute disc.
01. The Hovering Sojourn [0:27]
02. Digital Discord [0:47]
03. Through My Words [1:02]
04. Machine Chatter [1:03]
05. Descent Of The NOMACS [1:10]
06. Power Down [1:25]
07. Whispers On The Wind [1:37]
08. The Answer [1:52]
09. Regression [2:06]
10. War Inside My Head [2:08]
11. 2285 Entr'acte [2:20]
12. Wait For Sleep [2:30]
13. False Awakening Suite [2:42]
14. Vacant [2:57]
15. The Walking Shadow [2:58]
16. Lord Nafaryus [3:28]
17. The Road To Revolution [3:35]
18. Overture 1928 [3:37]
19. Hymn Of A Thousand Voices [3:38]
20. My Last Farewell [3:44]
21. Three Days [3:44]
22. One Last Time [3:46]
23. The Silent Man [3:48]
24. Begin Again [3:54]
25. Far From Heaven [3:56]
26. The Gift Of Music [4:00]
27. Viper King [4:00]
28. Out Of Reach [4:04]
Total: 1:16:18
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That's cool! one should rearrange them in a proper playlist....
...and make a bonus disc of their longest songs - Six Degrees and Octavarium and that's it for the disc :D
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The 28 shortest DT songs (16 of which are from The Astonishing) can fit on one 80 minute disc.
01. The Hovering Sojourn [0:27]
02. Digital Discord [0:47]
03. Through My Words [1:02]
04. Machine Chatter [1:03]
05. Descent Of The NOMACS [1:10]
06. Power Down [1:25]
07. Whispers On The Wind [1:37]
08. The Answer [1:52]
09. Regression [2:06]
10. War Inside My Head [2:08]
11. 2285 Entr'acte [2:20]
12. Wait For Sleep [2:30]
13. False Awakening Suite [2:42]
14. Vacant [2:57]
15. The Walking Shadow [2:58]
16. Lord Nafaryus [3:28]
17. The Road To Revolution [3:35]
18. Overture 1928 [3:37]
19. Hymn Of A Thousand Voices [3:38]
20. My Last Farewell [3:44]
21. Three Days [3:44]
22. One Last Time [3:46]
23. The Silent Man [3:48]
24. Begin Again [3:54]
25. Far From Heaven [3:56]
26. The Gift Of Music [4:00]
27. Viper King [4:00]
28. Out Of Reach [4:04]
Total: 1:16:18
Cool!
Sugestion: War Inside My Head as a bonus track :biggrin: :rollin
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Factoid: Dream Theater's 11th album was released in 2011
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Each DT studio album released between 1994 and 1999 (Awake, FII and SFAM) had a different lineup from each other. Now it may not seem like a big deal, but I would've definitely worried back then if my favorite band changed members with every album cycle.
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Well, when a band is young, that's relatively common.... Iron Maiden's first album with the same lineup of the previous was Powerslave for example.
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Well, when a band is young, that's relatively common.... Iron Maiden's first album with the same lineup of the previous was Powerslave for example.
And all DT did under the period in question was change the keyboardist twice. The other 4 members remained the same.
Iron Maiden changed 3 out of 5 members. I don't stop to think about it much, but it's kinda weird to think that by the time they got to Piece of Mind, there were only 2 original members in the band.
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Some bands go for their entire run with the same lineup, some change a lot. I'm not sure which is more impressive. A band going for decades without any changes is probably more rare, but some bands take a while before they find the magic formula, and if they can make it happen then that's cool, too.
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Well, when a band is young, that's relatively common.... Iron Maiden's first album with the same lineup of the previous was Powerslave for example.
And all DT did under the period in question was change the keyboardist twice. The other 4 members remained the same.
Iron Maiden changed 3 out of 5 members. I don't stop to think about it much, but it's kinda weird to think that by the time they got to Piece of Mind, there were only 2 original members in the band.
Yep. DS joined because KM quit, and DS was fired (after not only doing FII but also ACOS) and replaced with the guy everyone else wanted to replace KM in the first place. Not really anything earth shattering.
Maiden is a different animal. I didn't start listening to the band until after POM, so it never gave me pause, but if I'd been there from the beginning it might have seemed strange.
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Top 10 DT songs by the percentage of the album they take up.
#1. Illumination Theory: 1337/4081 (32.8%)
#2. Octavarium: 1440/4544 (31.7%)
#3. The Count Of Tuscany: 1156/4525 (25.5%)
#4. A Nightmare To Remember: 970/4525 (21.4%)
#5. In The Presence Of Enemies - Part II: 998/4721 (21.1%)
#6. In The Name Of God: 856/4161 (20.6%)
#7. Learning To Live: 690/3424 (20.2%)
#8. The Ministry Of Lost Souls: 897/4721 (19.0%)
#9. The Best Of Times: 789/4525 (17.4%)
10. The Shattered Fortress: 769/4525 (17.0%)
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Nice! :tup
I bet if asked as in a quiz, not many would have thought of Illumination Theory as the "winner".
Curious how four songs in this top ten come from the same album, Black Clouds. Quite an unbalanced album....
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Top 10 DT songs by the percentage of the album they take up.
#1. Illumination Theory: 1337/4081 (32.8%)
#2. Octavarium: 1440/4544 (31.7%)
#3. The Count Of Tuscany: 1156/4525 (25.5%)
#4. A Nightmare To Remember: 970/4525 (21.4%)
#5. In The Presence Of Enemies - Part II: 998/4721 (21.1%)
#6. In The Name Of God: 856/4161 (20.6%)
#7. Learning To Live: 690/3424 (20.2%)
#8. The Ministry Of Lost Souls: 897/4721 (19.0%)
#9. The Best Of Times: 789/4525 (17.4%)
10. The Shattered Fortress: 769/4525 (17.0%)
Interesting facts, but there's a couple of mistakes, IMO. Where is the title track to SDoIT? From my calculations, that sucker is about 43.6% of the whole album. And ItPoE is 25:38 long - just because it's split into 2 parts on the album doesn't make it 2 separate songs, as is evident by the way they played it at almost every show on the Chaos in Motion tour and the way it's tracked on the live album. So including both parts of the song together, it appears to take up about 32.6% of the album. ;)
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Top 10 DT songs by the percentage of the album they take up.
#1. Illumination Theory: 1337/4081 (32.8%)
#2. Octavarium: 1440/4544 (31.7%)
#3. The Count Of Tuscany: 1156/4525 (25.5%)
#4. A Nightmare To Remember: 970/4525 (21.4%)
#5. In The Presence Of Enemies - Part II: 998/4721 (21.1%)
#6. In The Name Of God: 856/4161 (20.6%)
#7. Learning To Live: 690/3424 (20.2%)
#8. The Ministry Of Lost Souls: 897/4721 (19.0%)
#9. The Best Of Times: 789/4525 (17.4%)
10. The Shattered Fortress: 769/4525 (17.0%)
Interesting facts, but there's a couple of mistakes, IMO. Where is the title track to SDoIT? From my calculations, that sucker is about 43.6% of the whole album. And ItPoE is 25:38 long - just because it's split into 2 parts on the album doesn't make it 2 separate songs, as is evident by the way they played it at almost every show on the Chaos in Motion tour and the way it's tracked on the live album. So including both parts of the song together, it appears to take up about 32.6% of the album. ;)
I did it by tracks, not necessarily "songs". As weird as it may be, I prefer to not consider subjective factors into statistics like these.
Plus, I've always listened to SDOIT as 8 songs & ITPOE as 2 songs anyway.
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I did it by tracks, not necessarily "songs".
Fair enough, altho you did specifically state at the beginning of your post:
Top 10 DT songs by the percentage of the album they take up.
As weird as it may be, I prefer to not consider subjective factors into statistics like these.
What subjective factors?
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This is just coincidental, but the band Overkill is releasing their new album Feb 22 too. They've been around for over forty years. I saw them with Symphony X three years ago.. :metal
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This is just coincidental, but the band Overkill is releasing their new album Feb 22 too. They've been around for over forty years. I saw them with Symphony X three years ago.. :metal
Candlemass too :metal
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This is just coincidental, but the band Overkill is releasing their new album Feb 22 too. They've been around for over forty years. I saw them with Symphony X three years ago.. :metal
Candlemass too :metal
:metal :metal :metal
One for each band!
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DT12 and SDOIT are the only albums where the front cover doesn’t contain anything resembling a living being or intelligence..
WDADU - Human
IAW - Human, Bird
AWAKE - Humans & Spider
ACOS - Human
FII - Humans
SFAM - Humans
SDOIT - NOTHING
ToT - Birds & Human Eye
8VM - Birds
SC - Ants
BCASL - Human, Bird, Mouse & Elephant
ADTOE - Human
DT12 - NOTHING
TA - Nomacs
D/T - Robot & Human Skull
PS; it’s late and I’ve gone down a rabbit hole
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DT12 has our planet. ALL things living are symbolically portrayed there :biggrin:
Also, if you zoom away from a very large distance, all that remains of DT12's cover is..... a pale blue dot! :metal
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DT12 has our planet. ALL things living are symbolically portrayed there :biggrin:
Also, if you zoom away from a very large distance, all that remains of DT12's cover is..... a pale blue dot! :metal
NUGGETZ
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Falling Into Infinity and Dream Theater (self titled) are the only DT albums without 'one word titles' (like Paralyzed, Voices, Surrounded, etc.)
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WDADU and DT12 are the only DT albums without their names on cover.
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DT12 has our planet. ALL things living are symbolically portrayed there :biggrin:
Also, if you zoom away from a very large distance, all that remains of DT12's cover is..... a pale blue dot! :metal
I don’t think I could’ve won either way with that cover, can be taken both ways ;) there’s a drawing of a woman on the back of SDOIT too and I’m waiting for someone to count that :lol
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There's also the woman on the Octavarium cover with long black hair. I thought it might of been John Myung at first glance.. :lol
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There's also the woman on the Octavarium cover with long black hair. I thought it might of been John Myung at first glance.. :lol
:rollin
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Each DT studio album released between 1994 and 1999 (Awake, FII and SFAM) had a different lineup from each other. Now it may not seem like a big deal, but I would've definitely worried back then if my favorite band changed members with every album cycle.
Then you're not a Yes or King Crimson fan. :)
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WDADU and DT12 are the only DT albums without their names on cover.
For WDaDU, that may be true of the CD, but not of the vinyl:
(https://www.musiconvinyl.com/fotos/3774_foto2_product_groot.jpg)
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Oh yes, I didn't remember the vinyl. :facepalm:
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WDADU and DT12 are the only DT albums without their names on cover.
For WDaDU, that may be true of the CD, but not of the vinyl:
(https://www.musiconvinyl.com/fotos/3774_foto2_product_groot.jpg)
I didn't even know about this, it looks better than the standard cover.
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I did it by tracks, not necessarily "songs". As weird as it may be, I prefer to not consider subjective factors into statistics like these.
Plus, I've always listened to SDOIT as 8 songs & ITPOE as 2 songs anyway.
Same here.
I know many consider 6DOIT one song, but I never have.
As for In the Presence of Enemies, that was one song, but then it was broken up into two songs.
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Each DT studio album released between 1994 and 1999 (Awake, FII and SFAM) had a different lineup from each other. Now it may not seem like a big deal, but I would've definitely worried back then if my favorite band changed members with every album cycle.
Was only worried after Kevin Moore left. The ship was righted when Jordan finally signed up.
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The only DT album to open with its longest track is SDOIT
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The only DT album to open with its longest track is SDOIT
154 posts discussing wether the title track is a "song" proper or not in 3, 2, 1........
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The only DT album to open with its longest track is SDOIT
154 posts discussing wether the title track is a "song" proper or not in 3, 2, 1........
I made sure to say "track" this time. ;)
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Didn't notice that detail ;D uh well, speaking of CD tracks, you're absolutely correct.
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Owen Wilson has now appeared in two Dream Theater albums
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Wait, what?
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Owen Wilson has now appeared in two Dream Theater albums
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/c2a921072f98952c52042d6e28c72854/tenor.gif?itemid=9987719)
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The only DT album to open with its longest track is SDOIT
Hmmm, ya know, I never thought of that, but it is a fun little fact.
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Wait, what?
Octavarium being the other one :lol
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Oh yeah, during that "word association football" section.
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Every DT album has at least one X in its lyrics:
WD&DU: "Maybe your life can explain"
I&W: "Sighs an anxious relief"
AWAKE: "Six o'clock"
FII: "Things that you're expecting me to be"
SFAM: "Close your eyes and begin to relax"
SDOIT: "Sorry you must excuse me"
TOT: "I extend my hand"
OCT: "Ready to explode"
SC: "Eager to explore"
ANTR: "How can you prepare for what would happen next?"
ADTOE: "Your iconic fixation"
DT12: "I would not expect you felt unnoticed and ignored"
TA: "Living a meek existence"
DOT: "Sex and faith, terrorize"
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Every DT album has at least one X in its lyrics:
WD&DU: "Maybe your life can explain"
I&W: "Sighs an anxious relief"
AWAKE: "Six o'clock"
FII: "Things that you're expecting me to be"
SFAM: "Close your eyes and begin to relax"
SDOIT: "Sorry you must excuse me"
TOT: "I extend my hand"
OCT: "Ready to explode"
SC: "Eager to explore"
ANTR: "How can you prepare for what would happen next?"
ADTOE: "Your iconic fixation"
DT12: "I would not expect you felt unnoticed and ignored"
TA: "Living a meek existence"
DOT: "Sex and faith, terrorize"
:lol
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Not sure if this really fits in the thread, but someone pointed out elsewhere that A Rite of Passage is longer than Pale Blue Dot. For some reason, that just feels crazy to me. Black Clouds is one of the few cases where even I feel like the songs are bloated and this sort of backs that up to me. AROP seems like it should be a 6 minute song, tops, but PBD seems like it could go on much longer.
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Every DT album has at least one X in its lyrics:
WD&DU: "Maybe your life can explain"
I&W: "Sighs an anxious relief"
AWAKE: "Six o'clock"
FII: "Things that you're expecting me to be"
SFAM: "Close your eyes and begin to relax"
SDOIT: "Sorry you must excuse me"
TOT: "I extend my hand"
OCT: "Ready to explode"
SC: "Eager to explore"
ANTR: "How can you prepare for what would happen next?"
ADTOE: "Your iconic fixation"
DT12: "I would not expect you felt unnoticed and ignored"
TA: "Living a meek existence"
DOT: "Sex and faith, terrorize"
If we're going that route, then: Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is the only DT studio album title without the letter "a" :P
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Dream Theater and Rush nugget here! Both "Distance Over Time" and "Roll The Bones" are each bands 14th studio album, and the only albums featuring skulls on the album covers and artwork. Both are designed by Hugh Syme. Hmmm. :justjen
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Dream Theater and Rush nugget here! Both "Distance Over Time" and "Roll The Bones" are each bands 14th studio album, and the only albums featuring skulls on the album covers and artwork. Both are designed by Hugh Syme. Hmmm. :justjen
More things to make you say hmmmm....
Rush has the album p/g and the song BU2B
DT has the album d/t and the song S2N
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Also, JLB quoted the title track to Roll the Bones in a recent interview. :hat
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March of the Tyrant (JP)
Believe it or not, John Myung actually wrote the lyrics to March of the Tyrant.
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March of the Tyrant (JP)
Believe it or not, John Myung actually wrote the lyrics to March of the Tyrant.
I saw that somewhere a while ago, but couldn't find any reliable source on any of the Majesty demos lyric credits.
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March of the Tyrant (JP)
Believe it or not, John Myung actually wrote the lyrics to March of the Tyrant.
I saw that somewhere a while ago, but couldn't find any reliable source on any of the Majesty demos lyric credits.
The lyrics were printed as part of an press kit assembled by their first manager (Andy Ross). I might have a copy of the cover letter somewhere. JP also confirmed it to me when I asked him a series of trivia questions at a meet and greet some years ago - particularly, what was JM's first lyrical contribution. He remembered it quickly: March of the Tyrant.
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March of the Tyrant (JP)
Believe it or not, John Myung actually wrote the lyrics to March of the Tyrant.
I saw that somewhere a while ago, but couldn't find any reliable source on any of the Majesty demos lyric credits.
The lyrics were printed as part of an press kit assembled by their first manager (Andy Ross). I might have a copy of the cover letter somewhere. JP also confirmed it to me when I asked him a series of trivia questions at a meet and greet some years ago - particularly, what was JM's first lyrical contribution. He remembered it quickly: March of the Tyrant.
If you find it, please share it here, I really appreciate the Majesty demos (not the best sounding, but they're definitely something special as the first songs DT ever released).
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Good to know. Anyone wanna fix this wikipedia entry then?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Dream_Theater
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Good to know. Anyone wanna fix this wikipedia entry then?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Dream_Theater
Done :tup
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People seem to think the fastest DT album to be released was Train of Thought because most people just look at the years, but the time difference between TOT & Octavarium is actually shorter.
29th January 2002 to 1st November 2003 = 641 days
1st November 2003 to 7th June 2005 = 584 days
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All the Mangini-era albums (barring TA) have 9 tracks.
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What are the pre-Scenes from a Memory songs that Jordan Rudess has NEVER played live?
I'm more concerned with the main album tracks, and my hunch is that by the time DT did the WDADRU show in 2004, Jordan had played just about every album cut from before he joined the band at least once.
The only two that I'm fairly sure Jordan has never played are both from FII, "You Not Me" and "Anna Lee", which would also mean those two songs haven't been played by the band period since 1997/1998. We all know "Space Dye Vest" eventually got its due, but I feel like there are possibly a few others?
Setlist Scotty, I summon you. Please help me out here. And feel free to expand further on Jordan's live performance record concerning pre-1999 rarities like DLPM, Eve, the FII outtakes, Majesty songs, etc.
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What are the pre-Scenes from a Memory songs that Jordan Rudess has NEVER played live?
I'm more concerned with the main album tracks, and my hunch is that by the time DT did the WDADRU show in 2004, Jordan had played just about every album cut from before he joined the band at least once.
The only two that I'm fairly sure Jordan has never played are both from FII, "You Not Me" and "Anna Lee", which would also mean those two songs haven't been played by the band period since 1997/1998. We all know "Space Dye Vest" eventually got its due, but I feel like there are possibly a few others?
Setlist Scotty, I summon you. Please help me out here. And feel free to expand further on Jordan's live performance record concerning pre-1999 rarities like DLPM, Eve, the FII outtakes, Majesty songs, etc.
You Not Me and Anna Lee are the only album tracks Jordan hasn't played, if memory serves.
He played Don't Look Past Me at a few dates on the Images, Words, & Beyond tour.
The only FII outtakes he has played, if memory serves, were Raise the Knife and Speak to Me, on the Octavarium tour.
Eve hasn't been played since JR joined the band.
He played Another Won at every date of the Octavarium tour. He also played Your Majesty once. I think that's it for the Majesty songs.
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What are the pre-Scenes from a Memory songs that Jordan Rudess has NEVER played live?
I'm more concerned with the main album tracks, and my hunch is that by the time DT did the WDADRU show in 2004, Jordan had played just about every album cut from before he joined the band at least once.
The only two that I'm fairly sure Jordan has never played are both from FII, "You Not Me" and "Anna Lee", which would also mean those two songs haven't been played by the band period since 1997/1998. We all know "Space Dye Vest" eventually got its due, but I feel like there are possibly a few others?
Setlist Scotty, I summon you. Please help me out here. And feel free to expand further on Jordan's live performance record concerning pre-1999 rarities like DLPM, Eve, the FII outtakes, Majesty songs, etc.
You Not Me and Anna Lee are the only album tracks Jordan hasn't played, if memory serves.
He played Don't Look Past Me at a few dates on the Images, Words, & Beyond tour.
The only FII outtakes he has played, if memory serves, were Raise the Knife and Speak to Me, on the Octavarium tour.
Eve hasn't been played since JR joined the band.
He played Another Won at every date of the Octavarium tour. He also played Your Majesty once. I think that's it for the Majesty songs.
not sure about Speak To Me, but everything else is what I can remember as well.
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Speak to Me was definitively played more than once.
Here's proof:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2005/palalottomatica-rome-italy-4bd6d306.html
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Speak to Me was definitively played more than once.
Here's proof:
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2005/palalottomatica-rome-italy-4bd6d306.html
alright, nevermind then.
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The only FII outtakes he has played, if memory serves, were Raise the Knife and Speak to Me, on the Octavarium tour.
I believe they played "Cover My Eyes" on the 6DoIT tour.
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Oh, and make that THREE from FII for Jordan, "Take Away My Pain" also hasn't been played live since 1998.
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People seem to think the fastest DT album to be released was Train of Thought. . . .
Which people?
The only FII outtakes he has played, if memory serves, were Raise the Knife and Speak to Me, on the Octavarium tour.
I believe they played "Cover My Eyes" on the 6DoIT tour.
Correct. It was played thrice: 1/19, 1/26 and 2/5/02.
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Setlist Scotty, I summon you. Please help me out here. And feel free to expand further on Jordan's live performance record concerning pre-1999 rarities like DLPM, Eve, the FII outtakes, Majesty songs, etc.
You rang? Not sure what you want "to expand further on", but it seems most of the songs have already been listed. But just as a recap:
A Vision
Two Far
Vital Star
March of the Tyrant
Cry For Freedom (song had lyrics by Chris Collins and was performed with him, so I'm counting it, unlike Resurrection of Ernie which never had lyrics written nor was performed live by any lineup)
Eve
Where Are You Now?
The Way It Used to Be
You Not Me
Take Away My Pain
Anna Lee
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Having been inspired by voncorn, here's a list of MP-era tracks that MM has yet to perform:
Another Won
Your Majesty
A Vision
Two Far
Vital Star
March of the Tyrant
Status Seeker
The Killing Hand
Light Fuse And Get Away
The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
Only A Matter Of Time
Eve
Innocence Faded
Erotomania
Voices
Raise the Knife
Where Are You Now?
The Way It Used to Be
Cover My Eyes
Speak to Me
New Millennium
You Not Me
Hollow Years
Lines In The Sand
Take Away My Pain
Just Let Me Breathe
Anna Lee
The Glass Prison
Blind Faith
Misunderstood
Disappear
SDoIT Overture
Goodnight Kiss
Solitary Shell
About to Crash (reprise)
Losing Time/Grand Finale
This Dying Soul
Honor Thy Father
Vacant
Stream Of Consciousness
In The Name Of God
The Answer Lies Within
I Walk Beside You
Never Enough
Sacrificed Sons
Octavarium
Repentance
Prophets Of War
The Ministry of Lost Souls
In The Presence of Enemies part II
A Rite of Passage
The Best of Times
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Thank you, sir. And holy crap at the prowess of JR. :hefdaddy
I think "Anna Lee" deserves to be played again, at the very least at a one-off show where Derek joins in and doubles up with Jordan, DS playing a grand piano and JR adding tasteful backing stringy or organy touches.
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Thank you, sir. And holy crap at the prowess of JR. :hefdaddy
Absolutely. But it also is a testament to MP with his rotating setlist abilities. Besides the 3 MP-era songs that JR has only done with MM (DLPM, SDVest and HK), all the other songs were played in full with JR by 2006 at least once in full. Here's a breakdown of when the songs were first played with JR - those listed as "part" had them included as part of a medley:
Another Won - 2005
Your Majesty - 2002
A Fortune In Lies – 1999 (part) / 2004 (full)
Status Seeker - 2004
The Ytse Jam - 2002 (part) / 2004 (full)
The Killing Hand - 2002
Light Fuse And Get Away - 2004
Afterlife - 2004
The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun - 2004
Only A Matter Of Time – 1999 (part) / 2003 (full)
To Live Forever - 2004
Don't Look Past Me - 2017
Pull Me Under - 1999
Another Day - 1999
Take the Time - 1999 (part) / 2002 (full)
Surrounded - 2002
Metropolis - 1999
Under a Glass Moon - 1999 (part) / 2002 (full)
Wait for Sleep - 2006
Learning to Live - 2000
6:00 - 2002
Caught In A Web - 1999
Innocence Faded - 2006
Erotomania - 1999 (part) / 2000 (full)
Voices - 1999
The Silent Man - 2000
The Mirror - 1999 (part) / 2000 (full)
Lie - 2002
Lifting Shadows Off A Dream - 1999
Scarred - 2002
Space-Dye Vest - 2014
A Change of Seasons - 2000
Raise the Knife - 2005
Cover My Eyes - 2002
Speak to Me - 2005
New Millennium - 2000 (part) / 2002 (full)
Peruvian Skies - 1999
Hollow Years - 1999
Burning My Soul - 2002
Hell's Kitchen - 2002 (part) / 2017 (full)
Lines In The Sand - 2002
Just Let Me Breathe – 1999
Trial Of Tears - 2004
I think "Anna Lee" deserves to be played again, at the very least at a one-off show where Derek joins in and doubles up with Jordan, DS playing a grand piano and JR adding tasteful backing stringy or organy touches.
Don't bank on it - I don't think DS thinks much of AL, even though it's pretty much his song.
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Having been inspired by voncorn, here's a list of MP-era tracks that MM has yet to perform:
Another Won
Your Majesty
A Vision
Two Far
Vital Star
March of the Tyrant
Status Seeker
The Killing Hand
Light Fuse And Get Away
The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
Only A Matter Of Time
Eve
Innocence Faded
Erotomania
Voices
Raise the Knife
Where Are You Now?
The Way It Used to Be
Cover My Eyes
Speak to Me
New Millennium
You Not Me
Hollow Years
Lines In The Sand
Take Away My Pain
Just Let Me Breathe
Anna Lee
The Glass Prison
Blind Faith
Misunderstood
Disappear
SDoIT Overture
Goodnight Kiss
Solitary Shell
About to Crash (reprise)
Losing Time/Grand Finale
This Dying Soul
Honor Thy Father
Vacant
Stream Of Consciousness
In The Name Of God
The Answer Lies Within
I Walk Beside You
Never Enough
Sacrificed Sons
Octavarium
Repentance
Prophets Of War
The Ministry of Lost Souls
In The Presence of Enemies part II
A Rite of Passage
The Best of Times
That's a lot! Bolded ones I really wish they'd play again.
What tour did they play Panic Attack on? Sucks that I missed that, whenever it was. I also don't remember seeing them play These Walls but I might have been there for that. I'm getting old already. :lol
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What tour did they play Panic Attack on? Sucks that I missed that, whenever it was. I also don't remember seeing them play These Walls but I might have been there for that. I'm getting old already. :lol
Panic Attack was done during a short run in Europe in 2015. These Walls was played throughout A Dramatic Tour of Events in 2011-2012 - it's documented on Live at Luna Park. ;)
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I like Anna Lee. Always have. But I have never felt like it was a song they "needed" to play live.
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What tour did they play Panic Attack on? Sucks that I missed that, whenever it was. I also don't remember seeing them play These Walls but I might have been there for that. I'm getting old already. :lol
Panic Attack was done during a short run in Europe in 2015. These Walls was played throughout A Dramatic Tour of Events in 2011-2012 - it's documented on Live at Luna Park. ;)
Damn it, Europe!
Ah yes, I did see These Walls during that tour. In my defense that was almost a decade ago at this point. :lol
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What tour did they play Panic Attack on? Sucks that I missed that, whenever it was. I also don't remember seeing them play These Walls but I might have been there for that. I'm getting old already. :lol
Panic Attack was done during a short run in Europe in 2015. These Walls was played throughout A Dramatic Tour of Events in 2011-2012 - it's documented on Live at Luna Park. ;)
Damn it, Europe!
Ah yes, I did see These Walls during that tour. In my defense that was almost a decade ago at this point. :lol
Great version of Panic Attack live in 2015: https://youtu.be/AZMnjSL129I
MM slays it :metal :metal :metal
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The only FII outtakes he has played, if memory serves, were Raise the Knife and Speak to Me, on the Octavarium tour.
I believe they played "Cover My Eyes" on the 6DoIT tour.
Correct. It was played thrice: 1/19, 1/26 and 2/5/02.
Cool. Travelling to Chicago turned out to be an especially special couple of nights for my wife and I.
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The only FII outtakes he has played, if memory serves, were Raise the Knife and Speak to Me, on the Octavarium tour.
I believe they played "Cover My Eyes" on the 6DoIT tour.
Correct. It was played thrice: 1/19, 1/26 and 2/5/02.
Cool. Travelling to Chicago turned out to be an especially special couple of nights for my wife and I.
I agree - I also travelled to attend both those shows, as well as the Milwaukee show the following night. But what does that have to do with them playing CME? That song had been dropped from the master setlist long before the Chicago shows happened.
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I agree - I also travelled to attend both those shows, as well as the Milwaukee show the following night. But what does that have to do with them playing CME? That song had been dropped from the master setlist long before the Chicago shows happened.
As always, memory is fallible. Somehow I "remembered" seeing them perform the song, when apparently they did not. Now, I wonder how I knew that they played it on that tour?
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It's easy to "play almost all songs in the catalogue" when that catalogue is only 4 albums deep plus a few demos. When MM joined, there was another 6 albums in the bag. Add in the fact that they've also now made 4 albums with him with original content (one of which was performed fully on tour for a couple of legs), the number of songs MM has had to "catch up with" is just so much harder to overcome.
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DT has never released a studioalbum in April, May, August or December
January 2 (on the same day even), March 1, February 1, June 3, July 1, September 3, October 2 and November 1