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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Samsara on August 14, 2018, 10:29:55 AM
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Looks like Steve Perry is finally ready to release a new record:
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/steve-perry-traces-amazon/
https://www.amazon.com/Traces-Steve-Perry/dp/B07G3T49RB/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534264076&sr=8-1&keywords=Steve+Perry+Traces
Traces
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Tracklist:
1 No Erasin'
2 We're Still Here
3 Most Of All
4 No More Cryin'
5 In The Rain
6 Sun Shines Gray
7 You Belong To Me
8 Easy To Love
9 I Need You
10 We Fly
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Nice! I'll have to check it out, glad to hear he's got something left in him musically. Sad to hear about the story that inspired him to make this album.
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The first single, 'No Erasin'' is up on Spotify and it sounds pretty good.
A rather safe, yet enjoyable melodic rock song, but it's great to hear SP again after all these years.
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The first single, 'No Erasin'' is up on Spotify and it sounds pretty good.
A rather safe, yet enjoyable melodic rock song, but it's great to hear SP again after all these years.
Here's a sample of "No Erasin" from iTunes (for those such as myself who don't have a Spotify account):
https://itunes.apple.com/jp/album/no-erasin/1420678999?i=1420679596&l=en
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Sad to hear about the story that inspired him to make this album.
I'm not aware. Can someone fill me in?
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Holy crap. Never thought we'd get a third Steve Perry solo album. Cool!
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Just listened to the track on Spotify. Wow, so great to hear his voice. Really. I just don't think that music is going to cut it. :lol
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I have Spotify and can’t find the new song at all :huh:
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Try this: https://open.spotify.com/track/54WdbACipiaAUZe3PVSVyq?si=E9H6GRPuSFmmlpqV7NA5GA
Doesn't sound too bad, definitely keeping this album on my radar.
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Try this: https://open.spotify.com/track/54WdbACipiaAUZe3PVSVyq?si=E9H6GRPuSFmmlpqV7NA5GA
Doesn't sound too bad, definitely keeping this album on my radar.
Looks like it’s not available for me (might be USA only) :-\
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I want to start by saying that his voice has matured, but still sounds very smooth and on point. The performance itself, is excellent.
That being said, this song is absolute crap!
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I want to start by saying that his voice has matured, but still sounds very smooth and on point. The performance itself, is excellent.
That being said, this song is absolute crap!
I believe I said that in a much nicer way. :lol
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Not a great song unfortunately. Sadly the Perry impersonators like Pineda/Castronovo do a better Steve Perry than the man himself these days. I say that with a heavy heart as, behind the incomparable Freddie Mercury, I would probably consider him as the 2nd greatest rock singer of all time.
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Sad to hear about the story that inspired him to make this album.
I'm not aware. Can someone fill me in?
A girl friend (I don't know if lover, or just friend who's a girl) died of breast cancer and she was close enough that it sort of jogged him out of his inertia and inspired him to finish this. More or less. I wasn't there.
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I think it sounds fine. I was expecting the Steve Perry soul and tone, not the range. And its pretty much exactly what I expected to hear.
I think the beginning of the song is clunky, but the chorus is cool, and I enjoyed it overall. Not his best work, obviously. But not bad. Just happy that voice is back.
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Not a great song unfortunately. Sadly the Perry impersonators like Pineda/Castronovo do a better Steve Perry than the man himself these days. I say that with a heavy heart as, behind the incomparable Freddie Mercury, I would probably consider him as the 2nd greatest rock singer of all time.
I was never a big Journey fan and had no ties to Steve Perry to really fall in love with him, but when I saw Journey twice a couple months ago, Pineda was so damn good that it didn't matter to me, that Perry was not there. It clearly bothers a lot of fans who really love Journey though. I get it, but the reality seems to be that Perry just isn't as good anymore. This song isnt very good IMO, but I am probably not the target audience for this having never been a big fan.
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Sad to hear about the story that inspired him to make this album.
I'm not aware. Can someone fill me in?
A girl friend (I don't know if lover, or just friend who's a girl) died of breast cancer and she was close enough that it sort of jogged him out of his inertia and inspired him to finish this. More or less. I wasn't there.
You weren't? Gee, and I was sure you were. ;D
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Not a great song unfortunately. Sadly the Perry impersonators like Pineda/Castronovo do a better Steve Perry than the man himself these days. I say that with a heavy heart as, behind the incomparable Freddie Mercury, I would probably consider him as the 2nd greatest rock singer of all time.
I was never a big Journey fan and had no ties to Steve Perry to really fall in love with him, but when I saw Journey twice a couple months ago, Pineda was so damn good that it didn't matter to me, that Perry was not there. It clearly bothers a lot of fans who really love Journey though. I get it, but the reality seems to be that Perry just isn't as good anymore. This song isnt very good IMO, but I am probably not the target audience for this having never been a big fan.
If Perry wasn't a mental case he'd be in the band. It's on him and the band needed to move on sla Styx.
Take that Kev! :lol
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Not a great song unfortunately. Sadly the Perry impersonators like Pineda/Castronovo do a better Steve Perry than the man himself these days. I say that with a heavy heart as, behind the incomparable Freddie Mercury, I would probably consider him as the 2nd greatest rock singer of all time.
I was never a big Journey fan and had no ties to Steve Perry to really fall in love with him, but when I saw Journey twice a couple months ago, Pineda was so damn good that it didn't matter to me, that Perry was not there. It clearly bothers a lot of fans who really love Journey though. I get it, but the reality seems to be that Perry just isn't as good anymore. This song isnt very good IMO, but I am probably not the target audience for this having never been a big fan.
Doesn’t bother me, I get that they had to move on and Arnel Pineda sounds really awesome on the two albums he did with them. Never seen them live with him as Journey don’t tour much in the U.K. Would definitely have checked out this Def Leppard/Journey tour if it had come over here. Really don’t think Perry could pull off these songs night after night anymore so, if you want to see those songs, you have to accept it will be another singer. His performance on those records in the 80’s though is just out of this world.
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With all the Journey drama over the years, the one thing I found fascinating is that Steve is still, by law, a member of Journey's corporation. He actually gets paid by them (a percentage). If you notice, he did some production work on that 1981 Houston live release that came out some years back, and some other things.
I think the thing is, Steve knows, and the band knows, he can't deliver those Journey songs in the same key as he used to, with that incredible range -- and that's what people at a Journey show expect. Arnel has begun to struggle at times, but his compelling story has endeared him to people. Steve realizes it, as does Neal and the other guys.
At some point, Neal will show up at a Steve Perry gig, and do a few Journey songs, and that'll work, because it'll be gigs under Steve's name, and expectations should be more of what Steve has done as a solo artist. And the material from Street Talk, Strange Medicine, and now Traces (I assume) is written in a lower key, without those soaring highs.
To me, seeing Steve come out and put out a new record again is the feel-good story of music in 2018. And whether I end up liking the new album or not, "No Erasin" and the other songs will always bring a smile to my face. It's just nice to see someone so gifted, with such soul in his voice, pick up the pieces after 20 years and do it again. It's really inspiring.
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The funny thing is there is more drama between Johnathan Cain and Neal Schon with Journey's identity than with Perry. Neal does not want politics involved with Journey at all. Music and it's image.
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With all the Journey drama over the years, the one thing I found fascinating is that Steve is still, by law, a member of Journey's corporation. He actually gets paid by them (a percentage). If you notice, he did some production work on that 1981 Houston live release that came out some years back, and some other things.
I think the thing is, Steve knows, and the band knows, he can't deliver those Journey songs in the same key as he used to, with that incredible range -- and that's what people at a Journey show expect. Arnel has begun to struggle at times, but his compelling story has endeared him to people. Steve realizes it, as does Neal and the other guys.
At some point, Neal will show up at a Steve Perry gig, and do a few Journey songs, and that'll work, because it'll be gigs under Steve's name, and expectations should be more of what Steve has done as a solo artist. And the material from Street Talk, Strange Medicine, and now Traces (I assume) is written in a lower key, without those soaring highs.
To me, seeing Steve come out and put out a new record again is the feel-good story of music in 2018. And whether I end up liking the new album or not, "No Erasin" and the other songs will always bring a smile to my face. It's just nice to see someone so gifted, with such soul in his voice, pick up the pieces after 20 years and do it again. It's really inspiring.
Neal was on Sammy Hagar's show a couple weeks/months ago (they're friends from way back) and Neal was candid about that. He didn't seem to have any real beef with Steve, and indicated that he would love to work with him again. But he said the same thing as you did: if he did, it'd likely be something out from under the "Journey" banner, low key and more intimate. He was remarkably positive about Steve, at least when compared to some of the sniping that went on over the years.
I'm late to the Journey party; my first girlfriend was a huge Journey fan, back when I was into Kiss and Maiden, so you can imagine how that went. But I love them now and I can really appreciate how good Steve Perry really was. My buddy was a fan from back in the day, and he got to see them, not on the Escape tour, but one of the ones shortly after that, and he also saw the recent Leppard/Journey show, and for him, the recent show was where he had that epiphany that it was Arnel or nothing if you wanted that authentic Journey sound. We all get old.
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The funny thing is there is more drama between Johnathan Cain and Neal Schon with Journey's identity than with Perry. Neal does not want politics involved with Journey at all. Music and it's image.
Is that why Neal plays "The Star Spangled banner" in concert all the time? Lol, just kidding, that's not really bringing politics into Journey music. I like that Neal doesn't want to make political statements, and instead just keep their music universal.
Roger Waters is an example of overkill political statements at live shows. I saw him in Seattle in 2017, and some people were leaving during the show because of that..
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Neal said before the current tour that he and Jonathan mended fences, and all is good between them.
Neal was on Sammy Hagar's show a couple weeks/months ago (they're friends from way back) and Neal was candid about that. He didn't seem to have any real beef with Steve, and indicated that he would love to work with him again. But he said the same thing as you did: if he did, it'd likely be something out from under the "Journey" banner, low key and more intimate. He was remarkably positive about Steve, at least when compared to some of the sniping that went on over the years.
I'm late to the Journey party; my first girlfriend was a huge Journey fan, back when I was into Kiss and Maiden, so you can imagine how that went. But I love them now and I can really appreciate how good Steve Perry really was. My buddy was a fan from back in the day, and he got to see them, not on the Escape tour, but one of the ones shortly after that, and he also saw the recent Leppard/Journey show, and for him, the recent show was where he had that epiphany that it was Arnel or nothing if you wanted that authentic Journey sound. We all get old.
I was late to the Journey party too. I mean, I liked the arena stuff on the radio back in the late 80s and early 90s, but didn't really become a fan until the late 1990s and the reunion with Perry. I absolutely LOVE that record, Trial By Fire. And then...Perry left. I was fortunate enough to see Journey two or three times with his first replacement, Steve Augeri, and then the last time I saw them was 2006 with Jeff Scott Soto fronting them. Respect Arnel a great deal, and love the last record they did with him (Eclipse). But I don't see myself seeing Journey again.
But completely plan to see Perry, no matter the cost, if he tours on his new album.
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How was Jeff in front of Journey? Are there any live releases with that lineup?
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Neal said before the current tour that he and Jonathan mended fences, and all is good between them.
Neal was on Sammy Hagar's show a couple weeks/months ago (they're friends from way back) and Neal was candid about that. He didn't seem to have any real beef with Steve, and indicated that he would love to work with him again. But he said the same thing as you did: if he did, it'd likely be something out from under the "Journey" banner, low key and more intimate. He was remarkably positive about Steve, at least when compared to some of the sniping that went on over the years.
I'm late to the Journey party; my first girlfriend was a huge Journey fan, back when I was into Kiss and Maiden, so you can imagine how that went. But I love them now and I can really appreciate how good Steve Perry really was. My buddy was a fan from back in the day, and he got to see them, not on the Escape tour, but one of the ones shortly after that, and he also saw the recent Leppard/Journey show, and for him, the recent show was where he had that epiphany that it was Arnel or nothing if you wanted that authentic Journey sound. We all get old.
I was late to the Journey party too. I mean, I liked the arena stuff on the radio back in the late 80s and early 90s, but didn't really become a fan until the late 1990s and the reunion with Perry. I absolutely LOVE that record, Trial By Fire. And then...Perry left. I was fortunate enough to see Journey two or three times with his first replacement, Steve Augeri, and then the last time I saw them was 2006 with Jeff Scott Soto fronting them. Respect Arnel a great deal, and love the last record they did with him (Eclipse). But I don't see myself seeing Journey again.
But completely plan to see Perry, no matter the cost, if he tours on his new album.
Yeah both have said they buried the hatchet.
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How was Jeff in front of Journey? Are there any live releases with that lineup?
He was great. He and drummer Deen Castronovo handled lead vocals. Deen did a lot of the higher stuff, and they really were wonderful. I had a great time.
I have a recording (my own) of the show, but as far as I know, just bootlegs, no official recordings. But they were really good. They dumped JSS a few months after the tour however, after (depending on the story you believe) Neal and Jonathan decided they wanted to find a pure tenor to sing lead. That pissed me off as a fan, to be honest, as apparently they told JSS he was on board permanently (again, depending on the story you choose to believe). So I decided I wouldn't go see them again unless it was with Perry.
But I have tremendous respect for Arnel and his...journey (lol), so I have bought (and liked) the records Journey recorded with him.
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To give a different perspective:
How was Jeff in front of Journey? Are there any live releases with that lineup?
He was great. He and drummer Deen Castronovo handled lead vocals. Deen did a lot of the higher stuff, and they really were wonderful. I had a great time.
I was at the same show and had a much different take. JSS is a tremendous vocalist and front man, so this isn't meant to slam him at all. But he visibly (audibly) struggled with the material, and I made up my mind from that point that, despite that I liked and supported him, he was not the right person for that gig. It is just too far out of his comfortable range for too much of the set, and even with Deen propping him up and giving him breaks by even taking a few leads, I didn't feel like he did the material justice.
They dumped JSS a few months after the tour however, after (depending on the story you believe) Neal and Jonathan decided they wanted to find a pure tenor to sing lead. That pissed me off as a fan, to be honest, as apparently they told JSS he was on board permanently (again, depending on the story you choose to believe).
Yeah, he wasn't happy about it at all. Dave Meniketti of Y&T even chimed in on the situation and said he felt like Jeff got screwed over, and he didn't understand how people in the Bay Area music scene could treat another fellow musician that way.
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I can't see JSS doing Journey personally, well at least not the same way as Perry did. However, I have recently fallen in love with JSS so that's not a knock on him, more so his voice and style/abilities. Just seems a bit different which clearly (by going with Pineda) they didn't want to do.
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Here's JSS doing "I'll Be Alright Without You" with Journey in 2006.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwFvx49OU2o
No struggling here...
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Here's JSS doing "I'll Be Alright Without You" with Journey in 2006.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwFvx49OU2o
Not bad at all.
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Here's JSS doing "I'll Be Alright Without You" with Journey in 2006.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwFvx49OU2o
No struggling here...
He sounds pretty good here
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I want to start by saying that his voice has matured, but still sounds very smooth and on point. The performance itself, is excellent.
And I thought his performance very similar from what we heard on Trial by Fire. Really good! The song is an OK pop song, but the best part is to hear Steve sing something new, no doubt! :tup
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I saw them with Soto and he does a surprisingly good Perry, particularly on the rockier Journey stuff, Deen Castronovo sang the big ballads and was stunningly good, like note perfect. It was a decent show overall but Soto is not a top tier frontman. He’s always been a great singer and has got all the moves but kind of looks like he’s been to frontman school, nothing very unique about him just does lots of standard rockstar poses. He was never really the right fit for Journey even if he did do a great job vocally. When I heard Arnel on Revelation, he just sounded amazing but have not seen him live.
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Video for the single
https://youtu.be/Oawl9e-tFVM
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I want to start by saying that his voice has matured, but still sounds very smooth and on point. The performance itself, is excellent.
That being said, this song is absolute crap!
I believe I said that in a much nicer way. :lol
I agree with you guys. His voice still sounds really good considering his age, but that song is pretty blah.
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The song isn't great, but I'm not sure what anyone would really be expecting at this point. It's inoffensive adult pop music. I wouldn't expect him to really take too many chances etc. etc...
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It makes sense that the lead single is going to be the safest poppiest song. That's not to say the rest of the album is any different, but we can hold out hope, right? :lol
Didn't mind the song, but I agree it's pretty run of the mill. Perry is sounding good for his age, and the production wasn't bad, so I'll be interested to check out the rest of the album. I'm just glad Perry is finally releasing something.
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It just seems weird.
Hearing a 20ish year old singing about getting it on in the back of a car just sounds fun. But hearing a 60 yr old sing about it (even in a reminiscent way) just sounds....idk, desperate?
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It just seems weird.
Hearing a 20ish year old singing about getting it on in the back of a car just sounds fun. But hearing a 60 yr old sing about it (even in a reminiscent way) just sounds....idk, desperate?
Read the back story to why he did this. It's an ode to a friend who passed away.
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It just seems weird.
Hearing a 20ish year old singing about getting it on in the back of a car just sounds fun. But hearing a 60 yr old sing about it (even in a reminiscent way) just sounds....idk, desperate?
McCartney's new single is sort of like that, too.
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It just seems weird.
Hearing a 20ish year old singing about getting it on in the back of a car just sounds fun. But hearing a 60 yr old sing about it (even in a reminiscent way) just sounds....idk, desperate?
He’s pushing 70 isn’t he? I did have that same reaction. Song has improved a little with subsequent listens but I suppose we shouldn’t be surprised that he’s not coming out with pure gold material at 69 years of age and 20 years out of the game. I actually was never keen on his other solo records either so not sure why I got hyped to hear new stuff in the first place but was just excited to hear new material from such a legendary singer. Will still give the album a listen when it’s released.
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Yep, he's 68 or 69.
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It just seems weird.
Hearing a 20ish year old singing about getting it on in the back of a car just sounds fun. But hearing a 60 yr old sing about it (even in a reminiscent way) just sounds....idk, desperate?
He’s pushing 70 isn’t he? I did have that same reaction. Song has improved a little with subsequent listens but I suppose we shouldn’t be surprised that he’s not coming out with pure gold material at 69 years of age and 20 years out of the game. I actually was never keen on his other solo records either so not sure why I got hyped to hear new stuff in the first place but was just excited to hear new material from such a legendary singer. Will still give the album a listen when it’s released.
Steve Perry was, for me, the guy that was supremely talented, but he was a flavor in a bigger stew. I didn't care for his solo stuff, That part of Oh Sherry (my favorite Perry solo song) at the beginning: "Should've been go-own.... <breath> knowing how... I made you feel... <breath> Should've been gow-own! <breath> after all... your words of steel...." drove me crazy. (Graham Bonnet and David Coverdale are big breathers as well. Drives me nuts.)
But his work on "Only The Young" gives me chills to this day, every time I hear it. That man could SING, but he benefitted as much as anyone from the pop/rock (Cain/Schon) yin yang.
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This may be the safe, poppier song but the album isn’t going to rock at all. Surely no one is expecting it to?
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Steve Perry was, for me, the guy that was supremely talented, but he was a flavor in a bigger stew. I didn't care for his solo stuff, That part of Oh Sherry (my favorite Perry solo song) at the beginning: "Should've been go-own.... <breath> knowing how... I made you feel... <breath> Should've been gow-own! <breath> after all... your words of steel...." drove me crazy. (Graham Bonnet and David Coverdale are big breathers as well. Drives me nuts.)
You can throw LaBrie into that mix as well. "The Answer Lies Within" and "Far From Heaven" come to mind. Lots of breathing.
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This may be the safe, poppier song but the album isn’t going to rock at all. Surely no one is expecting it to?
This song was more rock than I was expecting to be honest, I was expecting more of a soul/RNB direction but this was still loosely melodic rock.
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Steve Perry was, for me, the guy that was supremely talented, but he was a flavor in a bigger stew. I didn't care for his solo stuff, That part of Oh Sherry (my favorite Perry solo song) at the beginning: "Should've been go-own.... <breath> knowing how... I made you feel... <breath> Should've been gow-own! <breath> after all... your words of steel...." drove me crazy. (Graham Bonnet and David Coverdale are big breathers as well. Drives me nuts.)
But his work on "Only The Young" gives me chills to this day, every time I hear it. That man could SING, but he benefitted as much as anyone from the pop/rock (Cain/Schon) yin yang.
TAC will be along to point and laugh at me, but Foolish Heart is a great pop song. Sure, it's a giant bag of cheese, but his voice is so good in that song that he makes it worthy.
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Foolish Heart is a great pop song.
it's a giant bag of cheese
his voice is so good in that song
These things are all true. :)
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Oooh. I listened to it. Hmm. Like the guy. Glad he's back making music. He seems happy. That's pretty much all I can say about that song.
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Oooh. I listened to it. Hmm. Like the guy. Glad he's back making music. He seems happy. That's pretty much all I can say about that song.
I'm willing to bet that you pretty much nailed it for the majority of people...
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Foolish Heart is a great pop song.
it's a giant bag of cheese
his voice is so good in that song
These things are all true. :)
You know what else is true?
TAC will be along to point and laugh at me
:lol
Honestly, I don't have any issue with anything Steve Perry does. He's an iconic voice, and while I have never actually ever been into Journey, their classic hits stir a lot of old memories for me. I have Escape of course, and Departure, and the live album. Trial By Fire was pretty good too. But Journey has never been my thing. But definitely respect.
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Oooh. I listened to it. Hmm. Like the guy. Glad he's back making music. He seems happy. That's pretty much all I can say about that song.
It’s improved a bit for me with a few more listens, still not a classic by any means but a bit better than I initially thought. I enjoy it more when I just hear the audio and don’t have to watch the video. That’s always been the same with Perry really, always found him a bit strange to watch but great to listen to.
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Speaking as someone who's spent most of his entire life (not adult life, ENTIRE life) in a world where Steve Perry was retired from the music scene, these past several days have been nuts. The song itself isn't anything to write home about- but Perry put in the work to get his voice back in shape for this and sounds like he did 24 years ago. And he's suddenly doing interviews left and right all over the place. As someone who's been a Journey fan for about a decade now who wasn't around for the heyday, this is throwing me for a really weird loop.
I will say, the best part of the new song is the bridge. Which is probably why Perry opted to reprise it at the end. I also think the second verse sounds stronger than the first.
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https://melodicrock.com/articles/reviews/2018/08/23/steve-perry-traces-first-playback-pre-review
As the link says, first listen preview thought from AndrewMcNeice at melodicrock.com. All but two tracks are ballads. Bring your hankies, and a pillow in case you nod off 😀
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Not surprised, but I bet a few of the deluxe edition tracks will be more uptempo. I KNEW that song he wrote with John 5 would be more uptempo. LOL. Love the fact it captured a bit of the Trial By Fire vibe.
Looking forward to hearing it. Got my pre-order in for the deluxe. I am sure people will bag on the record for being completely ballad-heavy and not give it a chance, which is a shame.
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Maybe in the deluxe edition he will have an updated version of Oh Sherry, and call it "Oh Perry". :yarr
All joking aside, I'm looking forward to hearing the album.
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another new track. reminds me of the extra track on "Trial by Fire" a bit....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asOazsx6gIY
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Cool. I am not listening to anything else. Just want to listen to the record when it drops. But anything with Trial By Fire in the description makes me happy. I love that record.
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another new song, while nothing really special, its still great to hear Steve singing again....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb34v_KoMy0
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Not bad. That one, vocally, sounds REALLY like the Trial By Fire album.