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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: jingle.boy on August 10, 2018, 10:52:31 AM
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The biggest hole in the Bruins lineup is their anthem singer apparently!
Oh ffs! Would a mod please move this to GD. :zeltar:
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I mean, it IS music related.
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:lol at both!
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:lol
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Good start to the new thread! :lol
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Hell of a start indeed. It could be an omen that the Blues will finally win the cup!
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Hell of a start indeed. It could be an omen that the Blues will finally win the cup!
:metal That's what I'm talking about.
But I know better :'(
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As far as the Blues go....I like what Armstrong did to change the chemistry in the locker room. Added some grit with O'Reily and Maroom.....I like the Tyler Bozak addition as well.
Center was a huge weak spot for us last year and now it's looking good. Obviously the Blues largest issue will be Jake Allen and if he can manage not to have the 2-3 week stretch of time in January where he falls apart. He's done it two seasons in a row. Dude is super talented physically and 'can' be a great goalie....even steal a playoff series like he did against Minnesota two years ago....but he head cases out a lot.
In an article in the Athletic this summer Jeremy Rutherford interviewed him and Allen mentioned he did alter his off season regime a bit this year to include something he's never done before. He wouldn't say what it was but an anonymous source said that it was a Sports Psychologist. I'm good with that if it helps. He needs to be a bit mentally tougher. He gets down and loses confidence WAY too easily....especially for a goalie.
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nhl.com did a bit on the teams that look like they've improved the most, and the Blues were there. They've got three solid lines by the looks of things. If anyone can keep pace with the Preds and Jets, I'll bet it's them. Avs and Stars aren't there yet, Hawks didn't do much to improve as best I can tell, nor did the Wild. The Central still looks like the most competitive division in the league.
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The Central is going to be a bloodbath this year. The top of the Atlantic is going to be nasty as well. That could be a division with 4 teams over 100 points and 4 teams under 75 points.
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And the Pacific Division looks like it's going to be a few nice islands surrounded by nothing but floating trash. Just like in real life!
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The Central is going to be a bloodbath this year. The top of the Atlantic is going to be nasty as well. That could be a division with 4 teams over 100 points and 4 teams under 75 points.
Who do you see as the fourth? Do you think the Sabres are improving THAT much? Or do you think it's the Panthers? I think it's guaranteed the Bolts/Bruins/Leafs will all be north of 100, and it should be a tight race for 1st. The east is surely going to be a clear line between the have's and have nots... including the Metropolitan.
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Tampa Bay can't be too happy about how they played in that Washington series. Hope we can build off our stellar season and get to the Stanley Cup. Kucherov should have another MVP caliber season, and I think our young goaltender, Vasilevskiy, having full season as a starter under his belt should give him more confidence. He had some terrific saves last season. I still need Stamkos to step. it. up.
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Well, obviously, the Kings can't be happy with how they stacked up getting swept against Vegas. Their offense during the series was really lacking. Sadly, imo, Rob Blake's answer to that is signing Ilya Kovalchuk to a 3 year contract at $6.25M a year. This guy hasn't played in the NHL in five years and he didn't really leave the NHL on the greatest of terms from what I heard. Maybe he might end up paying dividends in the end and have a great season, playing with Kopitar (shouldn't be too hard to accomplish). Hard to say.
That stated, I still feel good about the upcoming season. As long as Quick is healthy and plays consistently well and our usual guys (Kopitar, Doughty, Carter, etc.) plays solid and remain healthy and the younger guys (Iafallo and Kempe) continues to tap into that young potential and turn that into greatest for the most part, everything should be fine. So for me, they need to play solid hockey in all the games they play, stay healthy, and avoid legal issues. Do all three and it's an easy trip to the playoffs where anything and everything can happen.
The Pacific division is still going to be tough to go against. I know the other California teams (where both Sharks and Ducks are more consistent at making the playoffs than the Kings in their history) are going to play really well against the Kings, so the Kings got to play well back. Don't know how Vegas will stand now that the honeymoon phase is over, but I don't expect them to suddenly drastically get run over and I do think they will remain competitive in the standings. Coyotes will probably have that "sucks for the most part, can be really good for a good period of time" phase. The Canadian teams (Flames, Oilers, Canucks) will have that certain sense of unpredictability where they will really suck in one game, can be really dangerously playoff-competitive good in another game which makes me afraid to go against them at times.
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Well, obviously, the Kings can't be happy with how they stacked up getting swept against Vegas. Their offense during the series was really lacking. Sadly, imo, Rob Blake's answer to that is signing Ilya Kovalchuk to a 3 year contract at $6.25M a year. This guy hasn't played in the NHL in five years and he didn't really leave the NHL on the greatest of terms from what I heard. Maybe he might end up paying dividends in the end and have a great season, playing with Kopitar (shouldn't be too hard to accomplish). Hard to say.
That stated, I still feel good about the upcoming season. As long as Quick is healthy and plays consistently well and our usual guys (Kopitar, Doughty, Carter, etc.) plays solid and remain healthy and the younger guys (Iafallo and Kempe) continues to tap into that young potential and turn that into greatest for the most part, everything should be fine. So for me, they need to play solid hockey in all the games they play, stay healthy, and avoid legal issues. Do all three and it's an easy trip to the playoffs where anything and everything can happen.
The Pacific division is still going to be tough to go against. I know the other California teams (where both Sharks and Ducks are more consistent at making the playoffs than the Kings in their history) are going to play really well against the Kings, so the Kings got to play well back. Don't know how Vegas will stand now that the honeymoon phase is over, but I don't expect them to suddenly drastically get run over and I do think they will remain competitive in the standings. Coyotes will probably have that "sucks for the most part, can be really good for a good period of time" phase. The Canadian teams (Flames, Oilers, Canucks) will have that certain sense of unpredictability where they will really suck in one game, can be really dangerously playoff-competitive good in another game which makes me afraid to go against them at times.
I agree with pretty much all of this and was not nearly as impressed by the Kovalchuk signing as some were. I kinda figure, at best, he'll score 20 goals, and at worst, it'll be a fuckin' disaster. I felt like the team performed above expectations in 2017-18, so 2018-19 will be a bit of a we'll see. If Kopitar, Brown, Doughty and Quick can play to the levels they're capable of, we'll probably be in good shape, although, as mentioned, the Pacific Division will be a bitch.
By the way, I MISS THE FROZEN FURY!!!
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The Central is going to be a bloodbath this year. The top of the Atlantic is going to be nasty as well. That could be a division with 4 teams over 100 points and 4 teams under 75 points.
Who do you see as the fourth? Do you think the Sabres are improving THAT much? Or do you think it's the Panthers? I think it's guaranteed the Bolts/Bruins/Leafs will all be north of 100, and it should be a tight race for 1st. The east is surely going to be a clear line between the have's and have nots... including the Metropolitan.
I think the Panthers have a good chance of getting there. They finished at 96 points last year and I think they are poised to get back into the postseason mix. Montreal and Ottawa are going to be terrible this year, and if Henrik Zetterberg LTIRetires this season, the Wings will be as well. I think Buffalo will be marginally better, but I think they are still 2-3 years away from really making noise in the division.
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Buffalo is like the Clippers of the NBA.
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Interesting Mount Puckmore discussions...
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/24265978/undefined
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Interesting Mount Puckmore discussions...
https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/24265978/undefined
No time to read it now... just quickly skimmed it, and the only one they got absolutely right was Detroit... and maybe Tampa.
Man, how do you narrow it down to just 4 for the Canadiens??
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Sounds like it's all but official that Henrik Zetterberg will be LTIRetired soon:
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2018/08/28/detroit-red-wings-henrik-zetterberg/1128632002/
I'll be sad to see him go but I'm hoping this helps Ken Holland finally kick start the rebuild. It's time to lose for Hughes!
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With less than 2 weeks to pre-season, and a month until the regular season, I'm gonna try and stimulate some discussion like the NFL thread did leading up to the season - starting with the Atlantic division.
Biggest story of the off-season had to be the Leafs/Tavares signing; biggest current story has to be where Erik Karlsson is going to land. This is a division of haves (Bolts, Bruins, Leafs), and have nots (the rest - with Florida somewhere in between). Pretty solid chance (injuries not withstanding) of the top 3 being all over 100 points again this season - all have strength down the middle, a stud of a goaltender, and lots of talent that can put the biscuit in the basket. Bolts definitely have the edge over the Bruins and Leafs on the D, though McAvoy looks ready to step up and be a top candidate for the next generation of A-list defencemen.
NHL.com ranked the top 10 players in the division:
Karlsson
Kucherov
Tavares
Stamkos
Bergeron
Hedman
Matthews
Barkov
Marchand
Eichel
Hard to argue with that - though, I really don't see Karlsson as the BEST player in the division.
I'm looking forward to seeing what Buffalo can do. I can certainly see them jumping up to 5th, maybe even 4th place if they get some decent defense/goaltending.
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The Atlantic is such a contrast between the Haves and the Hab Nots. Kinda weird to see a division where there will be 3 teams in the race for the Presidents Trophy and 3 teams in an equally intense battle for the #1 overall pick in the 2019 draft.
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And the Sens were just an OT winner away from the Stanley Cup Finals just 15 months ago!
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Right? Melnyk needs to sell that team.
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Any Hurricanes fans around here? Can someone please explain why they gave up on Noah Hanifin?
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Wow... I totally missed that news. That kid is gonna be a stud in a couple of years. Strange that you let an RFA go like that.
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Any Hurricanes fans around here? Can someone please explain why they gave up on Noah Hanifin?
First time hearing of the player, but I found it interesting that he was basically traded for Dougie Hamilton. Looks like they let go of a few younger, potentially great prospects to get a couple older, proven guys and maybe make a run in the next year or two. Dougie is a great defensemen and can only be better than what he was last year, since he'll be playing on a better team.
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Pacioretty off to Sin City. Vegas has bolstered their team pretty good, but I still don't see that lighting-in-a-bottle season being repeated this year.
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Pacioretty off to Sin City. Vegas has bolstered their team pretty good, but I still don't see that lighting-in-a-bottle season being repeated this year.
That trade really underscores the one major blunder by McPhee in an otherwise godlike season, which was the initial Tatar trade and how much he overpaid.
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Pacioretty off to Sin City. Vegas has bolstered their team pretty good, but I still don't see that lighting-in-a-bottle season being repeated this year.
That trade really underscores the one major blunder by McPhee in an otherwise godlike season, which was the initial Tatar trade and how much he overpaid.
Can't wait to see Bergevin trade Nick Suzuki for veteran grit.
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Any Hurricanes fans around here? Can someone please explain why they gave up on Noah Hanifin?
First time hearing of the player, but I found it interesting that he was basically traded for Dougie Hamilton. Looks like they let go of a few younger, potentially great prospects to get a couple older, proven guys and maybe make a run in the next year or two. Dougie is a great defensemen and can only be better than what he was last year, since he'll be playing on a better team.
Well, Sweeney tried to use the pick he got for Hamilton, along with the Jones 1st rounder to jump up and take Hanifin in the first place. I wonder if he offered Hamilton straight up for Carolina's pick in the first place.
Hamilton is a good player for sure, but I wonder what the issue the Canes had with him. Did they not want to extend him, yet are fine paying Hamilton's contract??
Pacioretty off to Sin City. Vegas has bolstered their team pretty good, but I still don't see that lighting-in-a-bottle season being repeated this year.
Well, they get Pacioretty and lose James Neal. I might consider that a step back.
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So....everyone has a man crush. Admit it.
Well, my man crush was just traded. :sadpanda:
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Steve Yzerman resigned as GM for The Lightning. Let the speculations of him really rebuilding the Red Wings begin.
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Steve Yzerman resigned as GM for The Lightning. Let the speculations of him really rebuilding the Red Wings begin.
That's a surprising move.
I thought they said he was staying on as an adviser. Do you think he'll end up back in Detroit?
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I have no idea, but I just see the news in my usual outlets of Steve Yzerman resigning and you think there may be a lot of comments thinking (and desperately hoping) that he ends up back with Red Wings in a managerial role and make that team great again...... (don't care either way since Red Wings are on Eastern Conference).
I am reading that he is staying as an adviser for Bolts, mainly due to wanting to spend more time with family.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbCKaM9fOL0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbCKaM9fOL0)
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Wow, the Stars gave Seguin a shit ton of money.
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If Melnyk thought attendance was low before, he hasn’t seen the worst of it yet after today’s boneheaded move. How stupid is this guy? Erik basically said today that he didn’t want to leave and that he didn’t request a trade.
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If Melnyk thought attendance was low before, he hasn’t seen the worst of it yet after today’s boneheaded move. How stupid is this guy? Erik basically said today that he didn’t want to leave and that he didn’t request a trade.
That doesn't mean that it wasn't the 'right' move for the business. Was it the right move, probably not. But one needs to extract whatever value for an asset that is going to vanish. Look, if you knew your car was going to explode next year, and you hardly drive it to begin with, would you try to sell it for something - to someone that could use it for that time a lot better than you could/would? It sucks for the fans, but I can see how Genie and Dorian see this as short-term pain for a longer term gain. If they start winning in a couple years as picks develop, all will be forgotten or forgiven. Hell, if they do a decent job this year, maybe they can even sign Karlsson back as an RFA? If he loves the city as much as he says, maybe they'll have a chance at him next summer.
That's a helluva 1-2 offensive combo that the Sharks have now. Both Burns and Karlsson are going to have to adapt to sharing the #1 role. Wonder how that's gonna work out. It's like if Coffey and Bourque were playing together.
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Definitely don't need Karlsson in the Pacific. That's going to be a nightmare for the Oil and their porous defense. I understand why the Sens wouldn't want to trade him to another Eastern Conference team, but I honestly thought he would end up in Tampa or Boston. What's kinda funny is that Dorian didn't want to give up last year's 1st round pick in the Duchene deal since Ottawa was projecting to be a bottom team, so he gave them the 2019 1st rounder. This season they'll be lucky to finish within 20pts of the 30th place team, so that pick is going to be stellar for Colorado.
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The Sharks just elevated themselves to favorites in the West for sure. They should be able to have Brent Burns or Karlsson on the ice for almost an entire game.
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Looks like Zetterberg and the Red Wings have made it official:
https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2018/9/14/17860228/its-official-henrik-zetterbergs-career-is-over (https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2018/9/14/17860228/its-official-henrik-zetterbergs-career-is-over)
Great player and one of my favorite Red Wings. He wasn't as flashy as Datsyuk, but he was a hell of a player, and it was fun to watch him drive opposing players like Crosby and Toews absolutely batty in the postseason.
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Looks like Zetterberg and the Red Wings have made it official:
https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2018/9/14/17860228/its-official-henrik-zetterbergs-career-is-over (https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2018/9/14/17860228/its-official-henrik-zetterbergs-career-is-over)
Great player and one of my favorite Red Wings. He wasn't as flashy as Datsyuk, but he was a hell of a player, and it was fun to watch him drive opposing players like Crosby and Toews absolutely batty in the postseason.
Definitely one of the top players of the last decade or so, and an all around classy fellow.
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Indeed. Last bastion of the Red Wings 20+ year success is gone.
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Indeed. Last bastion of the Red Wings 20+ year success is gone.
Yeah, with him in the lineup you had a better hope of a graceful rebuild, now they are really going to have an uphill climb, especially this season.
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Indeed. Last bastion of the Red Wings 20+ year success is gone.
Yeah, with him in the lineup you had a better hope of a graceful rebuild, now they are really going to have an uphill climb, especially this season.
I'm all in on the Lose for Hughes campaign.
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Indeed. Last bastion of the Red Wings 20+ year success is gone.
Yeah, with him in the lineup you had a better hope of a graceful rebuild, now they are really going to have an uphill climb, especially this season.
Well, at least they're in the same division as the Sens and Habs, so it's not that much of an incline.
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Indeed. Last bastion of the Red Wings 20+ year success is gone.
Yeah, with him in the lineup you had a better hope of a graceful rebuild, now they are really going to have an uphill climb, especially this season.
I'm all in on the Lose for Hughes campaign.
The only result of that will be having the worst record and watching as the like 20th place Oilers win the draft and take him anyway!
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Indeed. Last bastion of the Red Wings 20+ year success is gone.
Yeah, with him in the lineup you had a better hope of a graceful rebuild, now they are really going to have an uphill climb, especially this season.
I'm all in on the Lose for Hughes campaign.
The only result of that will be having the worst record and watching as the like 20th place Oilers win the draft and take him anyway!
I appreciate the optimism, but the Oilers would need a whole lot to go right for them to finish 20th.
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Indeed. Last bastion of the Red Wings 20+ year success is gone.
Yeah, with him in the lineup you had a better hope of a graceful rebuild, now they are really going to have an uphill climb, especially this season.
I'm all in on the Lose for Hughes campaign.
The only result of that will be having the worst record and watching as the like 20th place Oilers win the draft and take him anyway!
I appreciate the optimism, but the Oilers would need a whole lot to go right for them to finish 20th.
I really feel like if you have a $10M+ player on your roster, that you should be exempt from having a shot at the #1 pick in the next draft (not exempt from the first round draft altogether, just exempt from the lottery for #1). I don't even know how Oilers keep scooping those #1 pick in the draft for four years out of six (and three in a row) before they got McDavid.
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I really feel like if you have a $10M+ player on your roster, that you should be exempt from having a shot at the #1 pick in the next draft (not exempt from the first round draft altogether, just exempt from the lottery for #1). I don't even know how Oilers keep scooping those #1 pick in the draft for four years out of six (and three in a row).
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Well, they haven't had a top pick since McDavid, and that was purely luck. The others were a direct result of being one of the worst teams in the league for a decade, both in on ice performance and front office competency.
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Front office has to take a lot of the blame. The league is very much a draft/development one. Even without top-3 picks, good teams succeed. Leafs won a massive bonus in Matthews, but even without him they'd be in pretty good shape - Marner/Nylander, Tavares and Marleau as nice FA signings; Anderson as a Top-10 horse of a goalie, and they'd likely be able to build out a stronger blueline if not for having to save money for Matthews' signing next year.
It's actually pretty impressive that the Oil can be so consistently futile with the number of high picks they've had.
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Front office has to take a lot of the blame. The league is very much a draft/development one. Even without top-3 picks, good teams succeed. Leafs won a massive bonus in Matthews, but even without him they'd be in pretty good shape - Marner/Nylander, Tavares and Marleau as nice FA signings; Anderson as a Top-10 horse of a goalie, and they'd likely be able to build out a stronger blueline if not for having to save money for Matthews' signing next year.
It's actually pretty impressive that the Oil can be so consistently futile with the number of high picks they've had.
It's actually pretty easy when the owner himself steps in to override decisions made by a dozen minds in the scouting department *cough* Nail Yakupov *cough*
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Holy shit did Seguin hit the jackpot. The Dallas Stars are playing Russian roulette with that contract.
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That was the worst #1 overall pick since .... ever?
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That was the worst #1 overall pick since .... ever?
Gotta be bottom 2 or 3 of all time.
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That was the worst #1 overall pick since .... ever?
Patrik Stefan has dibs on that one, I think.
Actually, save the Sedins, Henrik Zetterberg, and Ryan Miller, that whole 1999 draft can be labeled a bust.
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Or DiPietro. I forgot he went 1st overall in 2000
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Or DiPietro. I forgot he went 1st overall in 2000
Yeah, he's up there for sure. Hard to put Yakupov in the 'all-time' category already, since it's only been 6 years. That 2012 draft looks pretty weak overall.
As for the best, clearly Lemieux has that locked up, and Sid has to be considered the second best. After that, who's the next best #1 overall pick. Ovi? Lindross? Lafleur? I'd go with Lindross personally.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/hockey-world-roasts-flyers-creepy-new-mascot/ar-AAAABqx?li=BBnbfcL
Some great fan comments. :lol
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/hockey-world-roasts-flyers-creepy-new-mascot/ar-AAAABqx?li=BBnbfcL
Some great fan comments. :lol
My wife has been giving me shit about this all evening. I mean, I love it when she's smiling and laughing, but damn...
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That is fucked up!
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Get home from work today and turn on the TV to distract my 2yr old while i make dinner. SportCentre is on, and they're showing the new Flyers mascot. My son starts screaming "NOOOO", and runs up to slap the TV. I wish i could've caught it on tape.
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I feel like that Gritty mascot is the embodiment of what nightmares are made of in real life.
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Despite my best intentions of trying to stimulate discussion on all the divisions before the season started, September was a little hectic (personally and professionally).
But, hockey season is upon us. Protip to anyone playing the Leafs - don't take a penalty. This could be the most potent PP the NHL has seen in years - Babs has put all three centers on the #1 unit... Marner, Matthews, Tavares, Kadri. They could put my Aunt Peg out there as the fourth and still have one of the best PP's in the league.
Curious to see if they keep Nylander, or sign/trade him for a stud defencemen. Wondering who needs a high-talent / young winger, and has an abundance of riches at the blueline. Nashville comes to mind as fitting the latter category.
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Wow, Bruins off to a good start. :neverusethis:
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Just about to hit play on the Leafs game. I DVR virtually everything, and start an hour or so late so I can power thru commercials and BS intermission crap.
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Hot damn it's a good thing the Leafs were playing the Canadiens! Any decent team, and they would not have walked out of the arena with the W. Freddie bailed out a very sloppy performance all around.
NHL League-wide Protip #2. Don't let tied games with the Leafs get to OT; you'd better finish them in regular time.
Man they can throw some weapons out at ya.
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Not making this proclamation based on last night, as I've felt this way all summer, but I think the Bruins are going to take a major step back this year. Everything went well for them last year. Their veterans...Backes, Bergeron, Krehji, Chara all had excellent years and were all healthy. Bergeron is already hurt, and Krejhi, it's time to move on. I think they will miss Riley Nash.
I think McAvoy is going to have some major sophomore issues.
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Not making this proclamation based on last night, as I've felt this way all summer, but I think the Bruins are going to take a major step back this year. Everything went well for them last year. Their veterans...Backes, Bergeron, Krehji, Chara all had excellent years and were all healthy. Bergeron is already hurt, and Krejhi, it's time to move on. I think they will miss Riley Nash.
I think McAvoy is going to have some major sophomore issues.
That 20+game winning streak they went on was pretty impressive for sure, and I often felt they were punching out of their weight class. They've still got a great top line, but Chara ain't getting any younger, and Rask is still one of the most inconsistent netminders out there. One game against the defending champs doesn't tell the story of the season ... time will tell.
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They literally haven't beaten the Caps if FOUR YEARS!!!!
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I didn't see any hockey yesterday because of the baseball, but I did see a bunch of hoppla about Tom Wilson getting suspended for 20 games.
Did this clown really think the league was worse for Rafi Torres' retirement??
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Flyers 1-0 in the Gritty era!
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Nice bounce back by the Bruins.
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Fun first game from the Pens last night, beating the defending champs in OT.
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Nice bounce back by the Bruins.
eh..
First game was a scheduled loss and the second game was a scheduled win. It went as it was supposed to go.
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Nice bounce back by the Bruins.
eh..
First game was a scheduled loss and the second game was a scheduled win. It went as it was supposed to go.
Well, at least you did what you were supposed to do.
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Tampa Bay starting off the season where we left off against the Caps; slow and sluggish. Making the Panthers looking like an exciting team to watch. Hope we can catch that LIGHTNING that we had last season
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Ottawa has been fun to watch these past two games...
...Never thought I'd say that this season. Chabot is amazing. Both returns for Karlsson scored tonight too. That's nice to see
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Jesus Toronto... play some fucking defense. So far, this is exactly the kind of hockey that's expected from them - except the losing to Ottawa part.
Babcock is gonna have non-stop seizures with that defense.
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Gee, the Bruins didn't have any problems with Ottawa.
Bergeron 3G 1A
Pasta 2G 2A
Marchand 3A
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Gee, the Bruins didn't have any problems with Ottawa.
Bergeron 3G 1A
Pasta 2G 2A
Marchand 3A
That's cuz the Leafs buttered them up for you. Lot easier to take on a team on night two of back-to-back. Would've been embarrassing to lose after sittin around for 3 days to prepare for a team that played just the night before. And Ottawa too. Don't throw Patrice's back out pattin him too hard, k?
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I'm pattin' his front too! :lol
And since when is game Saturday-day off Sunday-game Monday considered a back to back? :lol
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Chad, bro. Attacking Patrice.
Duuuuuuudddeeee. :lol
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Only someone from Toronto would take a shot at the League's Most Distinguished Gentleman. You think he was from Montreal.
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And since when is game Saturday-day off Sunday-game Monday considered a back to back? :lol
:lolpalm: I'm all fucked up on my days. With the Progstock weekend, and off today because it was our Thanksgiving, it felt like a Sunday to me. Total brain-fart on my end.
Chad, bro. Attacking Patrice.
No attacking of PB. He's actually a Bruin I ... ehcchh... I'm having trouble getting the words off my fingers .... li ... oh man this is hurting my fingers .... lik ..... nope, can't do it.
I do have him in my pool, so I am happy for his hattie.
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Gee, the Bruins didn't have any problems with Ottawa.
Bergeron 3G 1A
Pasta 2G 2A
Marchand 3A
I wouldn't say that. I'm just a biased Ottawa fan, but it was closer than the score looks. Ottawa came out swinging in the second and looked really good for awhile. Ceci can just sit down and never play again, and Boro goes out of position way too much to make a hit, but for a team that is supposed to be bottom feeders, they look nowhere near as bad as I thought they would. Also, it was the first game this season that Ottawa wasn't badly outshot
Anyways, I'm just going to be defensive all season of Ottawa :lol
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Someone's gotta play defense for the Senators, might as well be the fans. ;D
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Someone's gotta play defense for the Senators, might as well be the fans. ;D
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And... Matt Murray has a concussion. That only took 2 games :facepalm:
Not good for the Pens that Murray is not only hurt, but hasn't started strong anyway. Goal tending was my only big concern for the Pens going into the season, so far this hasn't been encouraging.
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Gee, the Bruins didn't have any problems with Ottawa.
I wouldn't say that. I'm just a biased Ottawa fan, but it was closer than the score looks.
Hey man, that was more of a shot to J Boy rather than a serious comment about the game.
Oh, so I thought I would share this story. We actually have a picture of Mike Condon on our fridge. He is from Massachusetts and a good friend of his works with my wife. My wife was telling her that our special needs son loves hockey. Well she must've told him, so he sent him a personalized autographed picture.
It says:
"Hey (TAC Jr), All the best!
Your buddy, Mike Condon"
It was really cool to do that. I took a picture of my son in from of our TV with Mike Condon making a save and my son giving him the thumbs up, and she sent it to him. She told my wife that he thought that was really cool.
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Oh, @ J Boy...
https://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-bergeron-is-a-two-way-superstar-1.1188637
;D
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Only a week in, and we've got a 6.3 gpg average. That Toronto/Chicago game was crazy! 4 goals in 2 minutes of game-time to end things.
Auston Matthews is a pretty good shooter - 5 goals on 10 shots.
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I was watching a game the other night (Van vs Cal, maybe) and I couldn't believe how fast the game is.
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Yessss Flyers home opener is in my market. I want to see GRITTY
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Yessss Flyers home opener is in my market. I want to see GRITTY
You need professional help.
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Yessss Flyers home opener is in my market. I want to see GRITTY
You need professional help.
So do the Flyers after that display!
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Yeah... as Gorilla Monsoon would say, "they got whipped like a government mule".
There is some high octane offense happening right now. Wonder how long it will take for things to settle down, or if this is gonna be a bit of a run and gun season?
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Auston Matthews is a pretty good shooter - 5 goals on 10 shots.
That shooting percentage is not sustainable over a full season. ;) Regression is inevitable!
BTW, I'm fully expecting the Leafs to roll the Red Wings tomorrow. I'm just glad that, due to injuries to their too old and too slow veteran defensemen, the Wings are forced to play and get a good look at 4 rookie defensemen, who, should probably be staying with the team and learning rather than get sent down to Grand Rapids so they can deploy the human turnstiles that are the veteran defensemen on that team. So glad they re-signed Mike Green! ::)
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Auston Matthews is a pretty good shooter - 5 goals on 10 shots.
That shooting percentage is not sustainable over a full season. ;) Regression is inevitable!
Not yet... 7 on 14 after two more in Dallas last night. :biggrin:
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Well, the Oilers look like they haven't missed a beat from last season...
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Watching the game here too. Holy shit that first goal watching McDavid skate around Chara..! :rollin
Reminded me of this:
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/gilligan5935/images/b/bb/Patric_little_Gilligan_Jack.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111226003122)
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Leafs offense continues to roll. Both Matthews and the PP on the whole clipping along at 50%.
Your weekly protip and reminder - do not take a penalty against the Leafs.
TSN flashed up a stat of A)how many teams Matthews had more goals than coming in to tonight - I think it was like 7 or 8 teams; and B) how many teams the Leafs (with back-to-back 7-goal games) had more touchdowns than this week - again, something like 7 or 8. This offense is fun to watch... and their defense is just as scary to watch.
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Fun win from the Pens last night, Phil with the hat trick!
Leafs offense continues to roll. Both Matthews and the PP on the whole clipping along at 50%.
Your weekly protip and reminder - do not take a penalty against the Leafs.
TSN flashed up a stat of A)how many teams Matthews had more goals than coming in to tonight - I think it was like 7 or 8 teams; and B) how many teams the Leafs (with back-to-back 7-goal games) had more touchdowns than this week - again, something like 7 or 8. This offense is fun to watch... and their defense is just as scary to watch.
I'd assume the Leafs will score a ton this year, makes perfect sense. I'm still really skeptical about them making a serious run though with their D and goal tending. We will see.
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Granted the Capitals were on the second half of a back to back while the Devils haven't played since Saturday, but god damn did we look good in our home opener last night.
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I agree that the Leafs D is a big gap. Disagree wholeheartedly that goaltending is an issue. Andersen is definitely a top-8 goalie in the league. He has always had a slow October.
Game tomorrow v the Caps will be a nice litmus test.
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Austin Matthews is on pace for 136 goals! :lol
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Solid game by the blue-and-white last night. Freddie was a rock in the last 6 minutes with a handful of great saves to preserve the win. 4-0 on a road-trip is nice. Here's hoping they can keep it rolling at home next week.
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Looks like Leafs/B's will battle all year.
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Looks like Leafs/B's will battle all year.
Bring on Nov 10th!
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Looks like Leafs/B's will battle all year.
Bring on Nov 10th!
Awe yeah.
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Awesome winner from Sid last night. One of the prettiest goals I've seen in a while.
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Fantastic comeback by the Leafs last night. They were not the better team (despite the SOG count). They were totally stymied and outclassed in the first 2 periods. I had to keep reminding myself that the Jets are an elite team, so it's not a disaster to get beat by a team of that caliber - especially when you lose your top dog*. Lots of hard work in the 3rd, and a couple of great forechecks leading to turnovers and perfectly placed shots to beat Hellebucyk, and they're now 8-3. :fistpump: The Atlantic is looking surprisingly strong - Habs, Sabres and Panthers as surprises (though, the latter for disappointing reasons).
* - Matthews officially to miss 1 game... but methinks it's gonna be more like 8-10 like he missed last year. I got a feeling he's gonna have this recurring shoulder injury thru his career.
In other news, Bruins lose, so that's always a good thing. :biggrin: Hard to believe Price has more wins with the Habs than Roy did. :omg: And was that a pretty goal by Domi, or what!?!?! Pens dominate the west, and look pretty fuckin formidable.
What's with LA?
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LA is surprising to me, too. I didn't expect to see them at
the bottom of the div. They're about where i expected the oilers to be.
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Pens with a killer Canada trip, seems like it was a really solid trip for the team beating Toronto, Edmonton, Calgary, and Vancouver.
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Pens with a killer Canada trip, seems like it was a really solid trip for the team beating Toronto, Edmonton, Calgary, and Vancouver.
Only 1 of those Canadian teams is an actual contender, so the Pens should come out on top against the rest of those teams. Still nice to see them crush Calgary though.
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Pens with a killer Canada trip, seems like it was a really solid trip for the team beating Toronto, Edmonton, Calgary, and Vancouver.
Only 1 of those Canadian teams is an actual contender, so the Pens should come out on top against the rest of those teams. Still nice to see them crush Calgary though.
Don't count the Oil out so soon.... 3-game winning streak, and now 2nd in the Pac.
And Matthews is out 4 weeks. As soon as I saw that hit on replay, I thought '8-10 games minimum'. It didn't just look bad... it sounded bad.
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I'm trying not to get too optimistic about the oil. It's still really early, and the D is sketchy at best. However, if Talbot/Koskinen can keep playing like they have been, then there's some hope.
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Pens with a killer Canada trip, seems like it was a really solid trip for the team beating Toronto, Edmonton, Calgary, and Vancouver.
Only 1 of those Canadian teams is an actual contender, so the Pens should come out on top against the rest of those teams. Still nice to see them crush Calgary though.
No doubt, but those are the games you have to start piling up wins from early in the year. You have to win the ones you should win.
That said - I agree with Jingle - I think the Oil will be okay.
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Rough start to the season for the Blues......but the last 5 their 3-1-1 and have scored 24 goals....so things are turning around a bit. Bunch of new players and players that were hurt last year trying to figure out how to play together. I'll take this slow start that leads into solid hockey over the fast, great start they had a year ago that led to them missing the playoffs by a point. Good thing is I have zero expectations from them this season so it should be a relatively stress free year. :lol who am i kidding..right? :biggrin:
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Had a pretty cool experience last Wednesday. A local writer who covered the Blues for 14 years at the Post Dispatch and who now writes for The Athletic, Jeremy Rutherford, ghost wrote Hall of Fame Blues Center Bernie Federko's life story. The book is called 'My Blues Note'....pretty cool story of his life and playing career. I'm buddies with Rutherford and he got me an early copy...really enjoyed the book.
so last Wednesday they had an event that was a town hall type deal....$35 a ticket you get to sit in this small hall with Jeremy and Federko and they did a Q & A and talked about the book...the process of writing it....heard some stories that weren't necessarily in the book...so on and so forth. At then end of the Q & A they both signed your book and you had a few minutes with them.
Rutherford texts me that day and asks if I was going to that event and I said 'yep' and he says we should just ride together, so we did. Well, after the Q & A when the line formed I made sure to be the last person because I knew I wasn't going anywhere anytime soon being I rode out with Jeremy. It gets down to me being last....took my pic with Bernie....said a few things...got my book signed (for my Dad) and thought that'd be that.
Well Bernie had to sign another 30 or 40 books for some online orders so Jeremy and I just hung out there and chatted with him and some workers while he did that. He gets done, looks at JR and I and says..."How about going and getting some cocktails boys?" Jeremy asks me if that'd be cool and I was like "Umm....no....I don't want to go hang out with a Hall of Fame Hockey player" :lol
Of course I'm going with them. We went to a local bar ....they had a couple beers....I don't drink so I just sipped some water....but I got to sit and chat and hang out with Bernie Federko for the next two hours or so. We left the bar around midnight. It was such a neat experience....just hearing him talk about some old stories....hearing some behind the scenes things that go on with the Blues now...like I said, it was just really neat. Federko's a real down to earth guy that didn't have this attitude of being 'better' than anyone. I mean, here I am a nobody really and I talked to him for a couple hours like you'd talk to one of your buddies. Just 'real' conversation without any nervousness or anything. Was quite the experience.
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Of course I'm going with them. We went to a local bar ....they had a couple beers....I don't drink so I just sipped some water....but I got to sit and chat and hang out with Bernie Federko for the next two hours or so. We left the bar around midnight. It was such a neat experience....just hearing him talk about some old stories....hearing some behind the scenes things that go on with the Blues now...like I said, it was just really neat. Federko's a real down to earth guy that didn't have this attitude of being 'better' than anyone. I mean, here I am a nobody really and I talked to him for a couple hours like you'd talk to one of your buddies. Just 'real' conversation without any nervousness or anything. Was quite the experience.
That cuz he wasn't! :lol
jk man, I always thought that Federko was a meat-and-potatoes player, nothing flashy, but always dependable. Like a taller version of Denis Savard. Solid offensively in an offensive era, and no slouch defensively either (though his career +/- suggests otherwise!).
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Of course I'm going with them. We went to a local bar ....they had a couple beers....I don't drink so I just sipped some water....but I got to sit and chat and hang out with Bernie Federko for the next two hours or so. We left the bar around midnight. It was such a neat experience....just hearing him talk about some old stories....hearing some behind the scenes things that go on with the Blues now...like I said, it was just really neat. Federko's a real down to earth guy that didn't have this attitude of being 'better' than anyone. I mean, here I am a nobody really and I talked to him for a couple hours like you'd talk to one of your buddies. Just 'real' conversation without any nervousness or anything. Was quite the experience.
That cuz he wasn't! :lol
jk man, I always thought that Federko was a meat-and-potatoes player, nothing flashy, but always dependable. Like a taller version of Denis Savard. Solid offensively in an offensive era, and no slouch defensively either (though his career +/- suggests otherwise!).
When reading the book I was surprised at how ‘good’ he was. He put up solid numbers every year. Had (10) straight 100+ point seasons. He’s pretty sour in the book about being under appreciated also. Like you said....he was a solid player for a long time but wasn’t ‘superstar’ caliber. He was elite ...just not a household name.
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Can the Blues just fire Yeo now and get it over with?
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I know we're only 12-15 games into the season, but there are some fairly big surprises - NYI, Mtl, Minn, Cgy, Van on the good side; Stl, LA, Ana, Fla, and Wash on the not-so-good side.
Oh, and THIS is the VGK team I expected last year, and predicted for this year (last night's SO win notwithstanding).
Getting Murray and the Pens at home was just what the doctor ordered for the Leafs offense last night (sorry Mikey).
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Can the Blues just fire Yeo now and get it over with?
Yeah. They’re a train wreck. It’s brutal.
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Can the Blues just fire Yeo now and get it over with?
Yeah. They’re a train wreck. It’s brutal.
Their defense is atrocious. Defensive breakdowns everywhere and Allen has been shaky, and even on nights where he does look good, he still gives up goals because he is left hanging out to dry.
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Can the Blues just fire Yeo now and get it over with?
Yeah. They’re a train wreck. It’s brutal.
Their defense is atrocious. Defensive breakdowns everywhere and Allen has been shaky, and even on nights where he does look good, he still gives up goals because he is left hanging out to dry.
Just when we go out and ‘fix’ the power play.....leading league in PP goals right now......our once very reliable defense vanishes.
Coupled with the fact that Jake Allen has proven to be just a slightly better than average goalie who literally cannot make a big save and has let a fair share of soft goals go by. I’ve defended him for three years now but I’m done with that. Even when your D leaves you out to dry the elite goalies in the league find a way to make the saves in those moments. He’s incapable of doing that. It’s a mess
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Getting Murray and the Pens at home was just what the doctor ordered for the Leafs offense last night (sorry Mikey).
:lol It's all good.
I'm not the type to blame goalies or panic based on a small set of games (when it comes to goalies), but Murray is worrying me a bit. He's been terribly inconsistent.
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Jon Stevens out in LA, Joel Quenneville out in Chicago. Some big moves at this point.
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Gee, I wonder who the next Kings coach will be. Thanks Chicago! :lol
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Gee, I wonder who the next Kings coach will be. Thanks Chicago! :lol
No kidding. Of course the Blues will dick around for another two months and only then fire Yeo......which will lead them to miss out on coaches like this....only to hire some other unproven hack.
If Armstrong had any balls and could get over his massive ego....he'd have fired Yeo the second he heard about Q getting axed and went all in on the effort to hire him. It would be neat to have another 'real' coach.
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So.... will the fiasco in Ottawa affect Duchene's value as a free agent next off-season?
I think it looks awfully bad, but at the and of the day some GM will back a dump truck full of money to his house for a max year contract. Dude still puts up some big numbers.
Discuss.
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All underperforming teams surely have players that think and say this. Shame on the UBER driver. I'll bet they never get another pro athlete to use their service again.
I think the media is making a mountain out of a molehill, and creating the controversy.
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All underperforming teams surely have players that think and say this. Shame on the UBER driver. I'll bet they never get another pro athlete to use their service.
I agree the driver shouldn't have been recording, but you still shouldn't say that stuff about one of your current coaches in public regardless of how very true your comments are. Of course players talk smack about their coaches behind their backs, but do it in private with your buddies.
I guess it seems like a bigger deal to me because it's coming on heels of the Karlsson/Hoffman circus.
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I don't have a problem with the Uber recording, nor do I have an issue with the players venting. What I do have a problem with is the fact that this got released to the public.
If I was an Uber, I'd record everyone that I picked up, for my own safety. However, I feel that it should be posted that recording in in process.
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Two things.
If I was the Blues, I'd fire Yeo and get Q.
The Ottawa situation. As many members of the hockey media, former and current players, and hockey executives have said regarding the situation--Good team, bad team, these conversations happen on every team and aren't bad. Hell, who hasn't bitched about a boss or manager. Yeah, these players are a bit more in the spotlight, but I have absolutely zero problem with them talking the way they did. Also, they aren't far off with what they said.
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All underperforming teams surely have players that think and say this. Shame on the UBER driver. I'll bet they never get another pro athlete to use their service.
I agree the driver shouldn't have been recording, but you still shouldn't say that stuff about one of your current coaches in public regardless of how very true your comments are. Of course players talk smack about their coaches behind their backs, but do it in private with your buddies.
I guess it seems like a bigger deal to me because it's coming on heels of the Karlsson/Hoffman circus.
But it wasn't in public.
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I have no problems with the uber driver having a camera, it would be almost stupid not to if you do that full time, nor do I blame the players for venting. As was already mentioned it's something literally everyone does at some point. But that driver releasing the footage is a serious issue.
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I have no problems with the uber driver having a camera, it would be almost stupid not to if you do that full time, nor do I blame the players for venting. As was already mentioned it's something literally everyone does at some point. But that driver releasing the footage is a serious issue.
It would've been easier to simply type..
What TAC said!
I don't have a problem with the Uber recording, nor do I have an issue with the players venting. What I do have a problem with is the fact that this got released to the public.
If I was an Uber, I'd record everyone that I picked up, for my own safety. However, I feel that it should be posted that recording in in process.
;D
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I read an interview with Anson Carter today where he talks about a similar situation that happened with the Caps team driver. Driver overhead, and misinterpreted, a conversation Carter was having with his hairstylist, and reported it to the GM and coach. From that point forward he assumed anytime he walks out the door someone is likely listening, and possibly recording.
Should the driver have released the video? No
Should a celebrity/pro athlete be conscientious of what they say outside the privacy of their home? Absolutely
They're entitled to as much privacy as any other person, but the fact of the matter is that they aren't going to get it once they're out of their home. It's a side effect of fame.
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/anson-carter-uber-drivers-mcphee-1.4894952 (https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/anson-carter-uber-drivers-mcphee-1.4894952)
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Bullshit hooking call on Crosby before the PP goal. Backstrom totally held Crosby's stick against his body with his arm. I wish refs would stop falling for this.
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I saw a headline/article drumming up notions of Morgan Reilly's start potentially putting him in the Norris conversation. Whoa whoa whoa there fellas... let's not start suckin his dick that much yet. The Leafs had an explosive offensive start, and Reilly's played good since then, but I don't see this being a break-out year for him to make him a Tier 1 d-man (hence the talk is still of getting such a defencemen in a trade for Nylander). But it got me thinking...
The league has an award for the best defensive forward... why don't they have an award for the best offensive defencemen? Too often the Norris seems to go to the guy that logs a shit-ton of ice team, and is at least Top 5 in defensive scoring. To hell with how well he is defensively, so long as he's not a liability.
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The league has an award for the best defensive forward... why don't they have an award for the best offensive defencemen?
Amen, brother. On no planet should Eric Karlsson ever be considered the league's best defenseman.
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Tim, Joe...
(https://media.makeameme.org/created/Its-on-like.jpg)
I'm even gonna watch the game 'live' tonight so I can text you and not be spoiled while the Leafs kick your asses.
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That's right! So did you hear about Rask's leave of absence? Something personal is going on with him.
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That's right! So did you hear about Rask's leave of absence? Something personal is going on with him.
I heard... only a few days/games though. You guys will be getting Andersen on back-to-back nights. That doesn't happen often. I'm surprised that Sparks didn't get the start last night.
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I'll be watching!
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I'm even gonna watch the game 'live' tonight so I can text you and not be spoiled while the Leafs kick your asses.
Still waiting for those texts! :lol
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Oh I got a few. Lol
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Seriously though, anything less than a 5-1 win would be embarrassing.
Back up goalie
No Matthews, Nylander
2nd night of B2B
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Leafs blew their load in the 1st with 20 shots. Halak kept the Bs in it. Then the Leads just blew after that. Totally ran out of gas. Patranak is somethin else.
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Patranak is somethin else.
Not to be a homer, but I feel like he's still totally under the radar league wide.
At 22, he already has 106 goals.
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His body can be in the worst position and still get a laser on net.
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That's what Chad gets for ruining my night last night :lol The Devils seem to only show up to the rink with their A game or their F game, no in between, and it's been far too much of the latter lately.
What's the word on Nylander anyway? I've been stashing him away on my fantasy team's bench.
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That's what Chad gets for ruining my night last night :lol The Devils seem to only show up to the rink with their A game or their F game, no in between, and it's been far too much of the latter lately.
What's the word on Nylander anyway? I've been stashing him away on my fantasy team's bench.
The Leafs aren't going to give him what he wants. He's 3rd in the priority of having cap space for long term deals for him, Matthews, and Marner. I've predicted from the moment I heard he was holding out that he'd be dealt. Recurring rumour has been Carolina, though new info is that Dubas (Leafs GM) has started asking teams if their interested in him, and if so, start thinking about the structure of contract offer.
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The Leafs still need a stud defenseman too.
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The Leafs still need a stud defenseman too.
I've been saying that for a year. Told a buddy of mine last year - when Marner was in a slump - that a 1:1 trade of him for Hanafin could be beneficial. Good thing they didn't do that! Nothing wrong with Hanafin, but Marner is gonna be a Top 5 player in the league in the near future (imo).
Of the under 22 crowd, I think the Top 5 is/will be:
McDavid
Matthews
Marner
Pastranak
Barzal
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I love Marner. He's shown in a very short time to be a Bruins killer. Even though he had a great assist on the goal, He was pretty quiet last night. I didn't really notice him. They should trade Nylander for a D Man though. They need to manage their cap for a major defensive upgrade.
Damn, they are fast though.
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I love Marner. He's shown in a very short time to be a Bruins killer. Even though he had a great assist on the goal, He was pretty quiet last night. I didn't really notice him. They should trade Nylander for a D Man though. They need to manage their cap for a major defensive upgrade.
Damn, they are fast though.
Marner wasn't his usual self last night, for sure.
The good news is that Marleau's contract frees up $6.25M after next year; Hainsey ($3M) and Gardiner ($4M) are UFA's this year. Hainsey will likely be gone, or cheaper (given his age), and I can see them letting Gardiner (or both) go in search of upgrading for a single $7M guy and developing some of the farm talent to fill the blue line. Given Reilly is already in at $5M for a few more eyars, they sure as hell aren't gonna pay Gardiner more than that.
There's a couple of mid-tier players that are RFA's this year and will need to be signed as well - Kapanen, Johnson (Calder Cup MVP last year), along with Sparks are gonna chew up a few mil in cap-space.
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That's what Chad gets for ruining my night last night :lol The Devils seem to only show up to the rink with their A game or their F game, no in between, and it's been far too much of the latter lately.
What's the word on Nylander anyway? I've been stashing him away on my fantasy team's bench.
The Leafs aren't going to give him what he wants. He's 3rd in the priority of having cap space for long term deals for him, Matthews, and Marner. I've predicted from the moment I heard he was holding out that he'd be dealt. Recurring rumour has been Carolina, though new info is that Dubas (Leafs GM) has started asking teams if their interested in him, and if so, start thinking about the structure of contract offer.
Sign him, trade him, doesn't matter much to me, just get him on the ice :lol I think I saw that December 1st is something of a deadline in how league years accrue or something like that.
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Yes... RFA's have until Dec 1 to be signed, or they sit the whole season. One way or another, the Leafs will do something. If he isn't signing, they'll extract some value for the asset. In the broadcast last night, it was said only Kyle Turas ever went this long as an unsigned RFA - he was signed by the Coyotes (in '13 I think... maybe '11), then traded to the Sens a couple of weeks later.
My bet is even if he does sign with the Leafs, they'll deal him.
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Mike Comrie sat out 30 games in 02-03 in his contract dispute with the Oilers. The CBA was completely different back then though, so i don't think there was any deadline for players to sign.
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As always, really enjoyed the HOF induction ceremony.
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The NHL Network has added Mark Parrish to the studio team. He's a riot. It's so refreshing to hear commentary like his.
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That Leafs v. Kings game last night was just embarrassing...
...and wake up this morning to find Tanner Pearson traded to Pittsburgh for Carl Hagelin, who is an FA at the end of the season. The rebuild is on and will be painful (although getting tickets on Stubhub should be a lot less painful on the wallet now).
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That Leafs v. Kings game last night was just embarrassing...
...and wake up this morning to find Tanner Pearson traded to Pittsburgh for Carl Hagelin, who is an FA at the end of the season. The rebuild is on and will be painful (although getting tickets on Stubhub should be a lot less painful on the wallet now).
Yeah, I watched up to the 4-1 goal. LA looked no better than an AHL team. Hagelin is a shell of the player he was in the years the Pens made the Cup runs, so I'm confounded by this move.
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That Leafs v. Kings game last night was just embarrassing...
...and wake up this morning to find Tanner Pearson traded to Pittsburgh for Carl Hagelin, who is an FA at the end of the season. The rebuild is on and will be painful (although getting tickets on Stubhub should be a lot less painful on the wallet now).
Yeah, I watched up to the 4-1 goal. LA looked no better than an AHL team. Hagelin is a shell of the player he was in the years the Pens made the Cup runs, so I'm confounded by this move.
They have similar cap hits ($3.75M for Pearson and $4M for Hagelin), but Pearson is under contract through the 20-21 season, whereas Hagelin has no term left after this season, so I assume the point is to give the Kings cap flexibility (and the Kings may move Hagelin at some point for (a) draft pick(s)).
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That Leafs v. Kings game last night was just embarrassing...
...and wake up this morning to find Tanner Pearson traded to Pittsburgh for Carl Hagelin, who is an FA at the end of the season. The rebuild is on and will be painful (although getting tickets on Stubhub should be a lot less painful on the wallet now).
Yeah, I watched up to the 4-1 goal. LA looked no better than an AHL team. Hagelin is a shell of the player he was in the years the Pens made the Cup runs, so I'm confounded by this move.
They have similar cap hits ($3.75M for Pearson and $4M for Hagelin), but Pearson is under contract through the 20-21 season, whereas Hagelin has no term left after this season, so I assume the point is to give the Kings cap flexibility (and the Kings may move Hagelin at some point for (a) draft pick(s)).
I like this deal for the Pens. Hags has been largely ineffective this season and going back to last. I like getting a younger guy, for longer, for less.
Bigger picture though, Hags has become a staple in the locker room and Rutherford wanted to shake this room up (as the Pens are underachieving this year). This will definitely shake things up, not sure if it will be for the better or not.
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I mean it really does suck to see Tanner Pearson go. I can understand the rationale of it (he's been underperforming the most out of the bunch, even though the team has been horrifyingly underperforming so far this season). It also does suck to trade away a younger player (that was a first round draft pick in 2012) that had shown to perform well in better circumstances.
I mean this was a guy that was drafted the year the Kings won the cup in 2012 at #30. Found himself on the main roster in 2014 and was in a high scoring line-up with another young-and-comer (Toffoli) and a solid consistent goal scorer (Carter) and that line-up was doing a lot of their scoring against the Blackhawks in the playoffs in 2014 (who was pretty darn tough to beat, especially when the Kings were playing them in that time period) and was a vital guy in that cup win in 2014. I'm fairly positive that Pearson will do well with the Penguins and will probably be more upset (at Kings' management more than anything else) if he was playing well and it shows in the numbers at the end of the season.
I've been reading around that Carl Hagelin has his good moments and qualities, but hasn't been showing them that much so far this season, so I don't know if the move will energize him or the deteriorating Kings team, but stranger things have happened, some good, some bad, so let's see.
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Of the under 22 crowd, I think the Top 5 is/will be:
McDavid
Matthews
Marner
Pastranak
Barzal
This list has me wondering if there's some bias towards North American players, considering the current points leader is a 22-year-old from Finland ;) I think Rantanen is better than both Pastrnak and Marner.
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I've been reading around that Carl Hagelin has his good moments and qualities, but hasn't been showing them that much so far this season, so I don't know if the move will energize him or the deteriorating Kings team, but stranger things have happened, some good, some bad, so let's see.
Die hard Pens fan here - he's my view of Hags.
He was a HUGE part of the back-to-back Cup teams a couple years ago. Since then, he's been struggling to find his touch. His hands look like they might have turned the corner, as he's getting older, to just being stone. He's had a lot of trouble finishing over the last season and a half, to the point where he passes up a lot of scoring looks to pass. Things he still does well - he's insanely fast. Like insanely fast. Chasing down pucks, this guy will burn people. His speed with the puck has gone down, but he's still a burner without the puck. He is a strong position guy on the PK, he can eat minutes there for you guys. He's also not afraid to play down in the corners to retrieve pucks and set others up. He's played with Malkin and Kessel a lot in his time here, so he knows how to play with talented guys and do the dirty work required to play with snipers and scorers. Finally, and importantly - he's a great locker room guy. Total team dude, funny, good guy.
I think this trade might be a good change of scenery for both guys. The Pens needed a locker room shake up and this makes sense for that. I wish Hags all the best in LA, he was fun to watch here.
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Of the under 22 crowd, I think the Top 5 is/will be:
McDavid
Matthews
Marner
Pastranak
Barzal
This list has me wondering if there's some bias towards North American players, considering the current points leader is a 22-year-old from Finland ;) I think Rantanen is better than both Pastrnak and Marner.
Fair enough, and I'm likely biased towards Marner since I see so much of him. As for Rantanen... that's a sample of 20-ish games, and yeah... he's playing elite right now. Pastranak (not North American) looks lights out; Barzal I'm basing mostly off his performance last year.
And as I said... "will be" was part of the consideration.
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I mean it really does suck to see Tanner Pearson go. I can understand the rationale of it (he's been underperforming the most out of the bunch, even though the team has been horrifyingly underperforming so far this season). It also does suck to trade away a younger player (that was a first round draft pick in 2012) that had shown to perform well in better circumstances.
I mean this was a guy that was drafted the year the Kings won the cup in 2012 at #30. Found himself on the main roster in 2014 and was in a high scoring line-up with another young-and-comer (Toffoli) and a solid consistent goal scorer (Carter) and that line-up was doing a lot of their scoring against the Blackhawks in the playoffs in 2014 (who was pretty darn tough to beat, especially when the Kings were playing them in that time period) and was a vital guy in that cup win in 2014. I'm fairly positive that Pearson will do well with the Penguins and will probably be more upset (at Kings' management more than anything else) if he was playing well and it shows in the numbers at the end of the season.
I've been reading around that Carl Hagelin has his good moments and qualities, but hasn't been showing them that much so far this season, so I don't know if the move will energize him or the deteriorating Kings team, but stranger things have happened, some good, some bad, so let's see.
I have a friend whose last name is Pearson, so since the day he was drafted, Tanner was known to my circle of hockey friends as "Cousin Tanner." She's pretty bummed about the move, but the reality is that he's been horrible this season: no goals, one assist and a -9 in 17 games (not that anyone else on the Kings has been any good). Ultimately, it's a decent move to clear cap space for the next season or two and not much more than that. If we get any performance from Hagelin this season, that will be gravy (albeit probably pointless gravy since the Kings almost certainly aren't going anywhere).
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No Nylander; No Matthews for 9 games. Leafs are leading the league (though, with an extra game over TB and Nash). Reilly has been pretty damned impressive - he's already got as many goals as he had all of last year.
And Buffalo!!! :omg: I knew they were gonna be improved, but I wasn't expecting this much. They just might have a shot at the playoffs. I'm looking forward to being a fan - since I'll be living 5 minutes from Buffalo, and 15 minutes from The Keybank centre. Just might look to take in a few games a year.
And the Isles!! Mind you, looks like a lot in the Metro are underperforming.
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Chad, how far are you from Niagara Falls?
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Right now ... an hour (in no traffic). Come March ... 20 minutes
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Mike Yeo finally gets fired. Is Coach Q gonna get a new job this week!? I hope, that’d be a lot of fun to see.
I don’t know what it is with Yeo. This happened with the Wild too when he was here, he just loses the team. Does he piss off the veterans? He pissed off Parise and Sutter too and the team stopped listening. I don’t know what team would take a chance on him again
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Mike Yeo finally gets fired. Is Coach Q gonna get a new job this week!? I hope, that’d be a lot of fun to see.
I don’t know what it is with Yeo. This happened with the Wild too when he was here, he just loses the team. Does he piss off the veterans? He pissed off Parise and Sutter too and the team stopped listening. I don’t know what team would take a chance on him again
The only reason he had any success as a Blues coach was he took over for Hitch. I’d season. Trended down ever since then.
I’m curious to see who’s next. Would love Q but I don’t see it happening.
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Mike Yeo finally gets fired. Is Coach Q gonna get a new job this week!? I hope, that’d be a lot of fun to see.
Shut out in 2 straight games (3 out of 4) and to the only team with a worse record than you will do that to a coach.
Makes their win over the Leafs that much more maddening. Clearly they played their best game of the season that night.
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I haven't seen the Pens play this bad for this long since before Sid and Geno came into the league. Too many problems right now to even dissect. They basically aren't doing anything well. Goal tending, defense, secondary scoring, coaching, etc... all has been poor.
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To be fair, Buffalo has been on a run, and look really solid. But yeah... blowing a 4-1 lead, and losing 8 of 9 is pretty bad.
Makes their win over the Leafs that much more maddening. Clearly they played their best game of the season that night.
LOL... I guess once a team beats the Leafs, they've blown their load for a while. :lol
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To be fair, Buffalo has been on a run, and look really solid. But yeah... blowing a 4-1 lead, and losing 8 of 9 is pretty bad.
Yeah, it's not about the game last night specifically, more about the last stretch of 9 games... Rough stuff.
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Makes their win over the Leafs that much more maddening. Clearly they played their best game of the season that night.
LOL... I guess once a team beats the Leafs, they've blown their load for a while. :lol
The Blues actually played their best game against the Sharks at home. Looked awesome and like they'd maybe turned the corner. And that was/is the issue with the Blues this season. One game they look like legit contenders.....next game they can't beat the worst team in the league with a greener than green rookie in net.
The coach wasn't ALL the problem but it's the most obvious and simplest place to start. Our GM is part of the issue as well. Some years back when he decided Jake Allen was our goalie of the future after a very limited window of success he doomed us to deal with Allen's mental fragility all the while shipping two very capable and good goalies out. What I wouldn't do to have Carter Hutton as our starter right now. One of the fiercest competitors I've ever seen. The exact opposite of Allen when it comes to mental toughness.
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Honestly, I thought McLellan might actually make it to December. I guess not.
May the Hitch era begin in Edmonton.
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No games tonight, but here's a feel good story. Not sure if it got any air coverage in the States.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqYfhY5gVl8
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That's great Chad. Thank you for posting.
Hopefully the NHL Network has an extended piece.
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That’s awesome! :metal
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Everyone who had Buffalo leading the league the 1/4 season mark, raise your hand.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
The rest of the Top 10 looks about right, but I was expecting Wpg to be top 5. Colorado is a nice surprise - that line of Rantanen-MacKinnon-Landeskog is probably the best in the league right now - sorry Bruins fans (actually, not sorry). Impressive that Boston has won 3 of the last 4 given the injuries (though, against mid-tier teams). Looking forward to tomorrow night.
The three NY-NJ teams are surprises to me - positive for NY; negative for NJ. Florida and St.L have to be the obvious disappointments - both were expected to contend for at least a WC spot, but both have seemingly played themselves out of the playoffs.
It's still only an 8 point gap between 1st and being out of the playoffs, so nothing is for certain.
5 days and counting for the Nylander situation to be resolved. I hope it's a trade, (whether outright, or sign-and-trade), or a bridge 2-year deal. I don't think the Leafs need his offense as much as they need a long term $6-$7M d-man.
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I'm just looking forward to December 1st because I'm sick of hearing about Nylander on Facebook from TSN :lol
I've been reading today that it sounds like they're close to a deal, somewhere around the 7 million range. If true, it'll be interesting to see how they handle the future. I'm not well versed in Maple Leafs contracts, but don't they have a few other players that will be commanding big pay days? Matthews and Marner will both be big contracts. Matthews will want Tavares money at least, I don't know about Marner. I just think it will be interesting since they still need to address their defense
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Matthews and Marner are the Tier 1 RFAs.
Gardiner and Hainsey are UFAs
Then there are a handful of Tier 2/3 FAs - both in the restricted and unrestricted categories. Kapanen is the most interesting RFA given his play stepping in to Nylander's role.
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Everyone who thought Hextall would get fired before Hakstol raise your hand...
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I heard on the radio this morning that the Bills and Sabres are undefeated since November 4. :omg:
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Everyone who thought Hextall would get fired before Hakstol raise your hand...
Not this Cochise. It's a shame... I think Hextall has a good enough team together (except between the pipes- and injuries haven't helped). Horrible decision to have Pickard start on Saturday, and that's on Hakstol.
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Stan Bowman should be fired. To fire Joel Fucking Quenneville and replace him with a 12 year old??? WTF??
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I heard on the radio this morning that the Bills and Sabres are undefeated since November 4. :omg:
Well that would explain them beating the Sharks. ::) The streak continues.
And I can't believe how bad the Kings are. Wow. :tdwn
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I heard on the radio this morning that the Bills and Sabres are undefeated since November 4. :omg:
Well that would explain them beating the Sharks. ::) The streak continues.
And what... 7 of those 10 wins have been in SO/OT!?!?! :omg:
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Sabres are in first and the Kings are in last. WTF? This is truly bizarro world.
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I heard on the radio this morning that the Bills and Sabres are undefeated since November 4. :omg:
Well that would explain them beating the Sharks. ::) The streak continues.
And I can't believe how bad the Kings are. Wow. :tdwn
Hey...two in a row and 6-7 in November, so they seem to be trending up slightly. And Quick is back (although, unless he starts scoring goals, things may not change much).
I've only just started watching games this season. The Kings still have time to turn things around, but they're in need of a fairly major roster overhaul.
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Matthews back in the lineup tonight. Shame to see Gauthier get the scratch, as all of the bottom 6 had been contributing and/or producing.
Damn... more injuries on the D for Boston. Miller taking that puck in the throat on Monday was kinda scary.
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And I can't believe how bad the Kings are. Wow. :tdwn
Same with the Blues. Great off season upgrades and dumped some dead weight but it hasn't translated into anything at this point. If they can get a good streak going they can work themselves back into a wild card contention fight.....but that has to happen this month or it'll be a done deal for this season. It's possible....but, I'm not getting my hopes up
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And I can't believe how bad the Kings are. Wow. :tdwn
Same with the Blues. Great off season upgrades and dumped some dead weight but it hasn't translated into anything at this point. If they can get a good streak going they can work themselves back into a wild card contention fight.....but that has to happen this month or it'll be a done deal for this season. It's possible....but, I'm not getting my hopes up
"Playoffs?? You kidding me??? Playoffs??? I just hope we can win a game!" Yeah, the Blues have been baffling and hopeless this season. Many people were predicting them to be Stanley Cup contenders this year with the addition of Ryan O'Reilly (who has easily been their best player) and so to see them in last place is such a shock. I'll be seeing them next month against Buffalo so hopefully they can turn things around by then.
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And I can't believe how bad the Kings are. Wow. :tdwn
Same with the Blues. Great off season upgrades and dumped some dead weight but it hasn't translated into anything at this point. If they can get a good streak going they can work themselves back into a wild card contention fight.....but that has to happen this month or it'll be a done deal for this season. It's possible....but, I'm not getting my hopes up
"Playoffs?? You kidding me??? Playoffs??? I just hope we can win a game!" Yeah, the Blues have been baffling and hopeless this season. Many people were predicting them to be Stanley Cup contenders this year with the addition of Ryan O'Reilly (who has easily been their best player) and so to see them in last place is such a shock. I'll be seeing them next month against Buffalo so hopefully they can turn things around by then.
Huge expectations for the season heading in to it and just a huge disappointment this far. But.....they could go on a run. They have the talent and it’s still early enough in the season to get back in it with some good hockey. Problem is.....they show no signs of being a team that can throw a nice 8-2, 9-1 run together.
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Such a treat to have Matthews back. Damn, that PPG goal. He can be pin-point accurate - I think that's his third goal that is 'post-and-in'. The Leafs PP was fairly ordinary with out him, but now that he's back, it's nice to be able to remind everyone of this again...
Protip - don't take penalties against the Leafs.
SJ was #1 in the league with only 3 PPG against in the last 21 GAMES. Leafs lit them up 3 out of 4 PP chances.
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So a quick recap of what's happening in Philly.
Paul Holmgren as GM sells the farm and never brings Philly a championship, only cap hell.
He is then promoted to President and Hextall is brought in, effectively digs us out of the ditch and does a great job refreshing the prospect pool, while admittedly not doing anything great at the NHL level.
Hextall is fired, press release says that full effort goes towards hiring a new GM.
A few days later assistant GM and assistant coach are fired.
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Biggest takeaways at this point are why is Paul Holmgren making these firing decisions before hiring a new GM. And IF he's going to do that, how the fuck do you not fire the head coach who pretty much everyone wants fired at this point, or at least the assistant coach in charge of the Flyers penalty kill which has been atrocious for years.
I really, REALLY hope the Flyers don't get a new GM who sets the rebuild back too far, we were making good progress, which would show better results with a better coach.
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Philly is apparently talking to Chuck Fletcher in NJ about the GM position. Wouldn't be too bad a hire, i think. He did some good work in Minnesota during his 9 or 10 seasons.
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Yeah... you guys have a lot of solid young talent - especially on the blue line. With Simmonds being a UFA, I'm sure you could fetch a decent return for him in March.
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The Nylander Saga Ends!!
6 Year 41.77M--AAV of 6.9M against the salary cap.
The Leafs have 5.1 in Cap space as of right now, which there will be a bit more space next year when the cap inevitably goes up. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on this, I really am not good at reading contracts and salary cap issues, but how with such little space, and at least two players who are going to command 10+ million in a new contracts do they keep the core together? The Leafs need to address their defense at least a little to get over the hump. They're an amazing team, but I don't think they're quite there yet.
Do trades and not signing certain players get them there? The two Leafs reporters I follow on Twitter, James Mirtle and Kristen Shilton (:heart) all say Nylander's contract is team friendly and sets them up well for future contracts. I trust Kristen when she says it, but Mirtle gets so defensive over the Leafs, it's hard to separate some of the things he says into the fact or fiction category.
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They may only have $5M in cap space available this year, but when you look at all their FAs, they actually have $23M for next year at the moment (assuming no increase in the cap). https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs. Marner and Matthews won't be the problem... They'll get paid. The problem is going to be Kapanen (he'll want $4M-ish I suspect), as well as the others currently on the roster that would land in the $1M-$3M range (Johnsson, Leivo, Ennis, Lindholm & Sparks) plus a handful of minor-league players. Not to mention Hainsey and Gardiner as bigger ticket UFAs.
I think it's a great deal for Willie, bad deal for the team (Dubas caved... if this was the contract he was willing to offer, he should've just done it a month ago), and absolutely catastrophic for about 10 other GMs. There are easily ten other 2-year players that are ahead of Nylander in ability and value - Laine, Tkachuk, Rantanen, Aho, Boesser, Point, McAvoy, Werenski off the top of my head.
I'm thrilled to get him back, but it has all the possibilities of being a Lucic-ugly deal in the long term. I don't see him being a Leaf thru the entire 6 years to tell you the truth. I could go on and on over this, but not sure everyone wants to hear my ramblings over a 20-goal guy that isn't likely even to be on PP1 this year.
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That's a big contract.
David Pastrnak snubbed from the All Star ballot for the second year in a row. WTF??
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There's no way the Leafs don't end up in cap trouble, unless they can find some serious value contracts. I don't even think the Nylander deal is that bad if he puts up similar, consistent numbers. They have a problem, albeit a good one, in that they have some serious talent in their top 6. They'll have 3 $10M+ contracts up front, plus Nylander, plus 19 other players. And Matthews is going to be more like $12. A third or more of the cap will be Tavares, Matthews and Marner, so there's definitely going to be issues. Although, Chicago was in a similar situation in 2010-201, and they managed to make some bold moves and win two more cups, so it's definitely possible.
On a related note, it burns me to my very core that the Leafs are this good.
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Couple of things in their favour - Marleau frees up $6.25 after next year ... there's a small possibility they could unload that to a team that has cap space, since it's actually only 4.25M payment next year - for a 40 year old that could still be a Top 6 well-rounded player on a lot of teams. You wouldn't get much in return other than freeing up cap space.
Hainsey/Gardiner are $7M combined. Their talent can be replaced for cheaper - Dermott is looking REAL good, and could easily be the #2 or #3 D-man.
The cap will invariably go up a little, and then quite a bit more after this CBA. It's not implausible that Marner or Matthews sign a bridge deal, looking to cash in even bigger in 2021.
I think the management has a plan for all of this.
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Thanks for responding jingle and clearing that up. It makes more sense.
I was doing more research on the subject this morning and this article popped up later in the afternoon. It does a good job at looking at a future lineup that revolves around this cap, although I view Matthews asking for McDavid money and Marner wanting Tavares money, but we'll see. Dubas is a smart guy.
https://lastwordonhockey.com/2018/12/02/re-signing-william-nylander-brings-new-questions-for-toronto-maple-leafs/ (https://lastwordonhockey.com/2018/12/02/re-signing-william-nylander-brings-new-questions-for-toronto-maple-leafs/)
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That's a good article. I didn't mention it in earlier posts, but the Zaitsev contract is killing them too. He's a #4 d-man at best, making #1-#2 money. Why Lou thought he had to get locked in to a 6-year deal after just one good World Cup tourney is baffling. I don't know that they'll pay Matthews more than Tavares, and Marner getting up to $10M might be a stretch. Seeing as how Nylander wanted $8M-ish and came in at under $7M, in his own mind he's taking a pay cut to stay with the Leafs. The prevailing belief is that Matthews and Marner will too. The prevailing belief is also that the league and PA are still operating under the premise that the 27/28 year old timeframe is when players cash in big. Exceptions for the likes of McDavid of course.
If they keep Matthews under Tavares, and Marner under $10M, it allows them to get better (or at least stay neutral) on defence.
The league is slowly shifting to a model where they are paying for future performance expectations, rather than past performance. It's not a bad thing, so long as these kids actually do perform up to expectations. With the rule changes in the league, they're showing at 20 and 21 years old, they can perform - the top 6 point getters in the league are all under 25. It'd likely be Top 7 if not for Matthews' injury.
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Holy shit... $650M for the buy-in. VGK's fee was (just??) $500M. Ya gotta believe the expansion draft is going to be just as friendly (or even MORE friendly) to Seattle as it was to VGK. The league will want them to have a competitive and successful product out of the gate.
Arizona moves to the Central.
No word yet on the cap - rumoured to be $83M next year.
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Ya gotta believe the expansion draft is going to be just as friendly (or even MORE friendly) to Seattle as it was to VGK. The league will want them to have a competitive and successful product out of the gate.
Bettman said that the draft would be under the same rules with Vegas being exempt from the draft.
Get a load of the owner. It's like Weekend At Bernie's.
EDIT: The owner was looking mighty CREEPILY at Jackie Redmond during that interview.
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Ya gotta believe the expansion draft is going to be just as friendly (or even MORE friendly) to Seattle as it was to VGK. The league will want them to have a competitive and successful product out of the gate.
Bettman said that the draft would be under the same rules with Vegas being exempt from the draft.
Get a load of the owner. It's like Weekend At Bernie's.
EDIT: The owner was looking mighty CREEPILY at Jackie Redmond during that interview.
Jackie Redmond is pretty creepy looking herself.
And there's an article up at NHL.com that says what you said: the draft rules will be the same as for Vegas, with Vegas being exempt (for some unfathomable reason, since Vegas will have played four seasons by the time the draft takes place).
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Re: Seattle. Not sure what to make of this. The goal of the sports community here has always (since the Sonics left) been to secure a new/relocated NBA team. The attitude has generally been "If getting an NHL team helps us in that goal, great!" The buzz over this announcement has exceeded my expectations, and I think an NHL team can do well here. We do have the Seahawks, who are wildly popular, and UW football as well, so I hope a third winter sport team can achieve a high level of popularity. I won't comment on the arena situation, I don't have it in me to go in to all that and I am sure no one here cares. But that is going to be a huge issue.
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Curious Chris... how far from the border is the (likely) arena going to be? I'm just wondering how similar (geographically at least) it is to the Toronto-Buffalo situation?
Buffalo's KeyBank center is only 15 minutes over the border in Fort Erie, so there is a pretty big market of Canadian fans within an hours drive.
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So happy the NHL is coming to my adopted city. While I don't live there, I am there often enough, and will be supporting the new Seattle team.
Chris is right in that the goal seemed always to reacquire an NBA team. But I think with today's announcement, that is one step closer to reality. Basketball is my #1 sport, and I bleed T-Wolves green and blue, but I have always supported the Sonics, and was, just like any other sports fan with ties to Seattle, crushed when they were moved. It's only a matter of time before a franchise comes up. I don't quite see any of the current teams being moved, so it would have to be expansion. But with the success the NBA is having, perhaps that will happen over the next six or seven years.
For now, very glad the NHL is coming to Seattle. Can't wait to support the team.
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Curious Chris... how far from the border is the (likely) arena going to be? I'm just wondering how similar (geographically at least) it is to the Toronto-Buffalo situation?
Buffalo's KeyBank center is only 15 minutes over the border in Fort Erie, so there is a pretty big market of Canadian fans within an hours drive.
By the most direct land route, Key Arena is 112 miles from the U.S.-Canada border (about 142 miles to Rogers Arena in Vancouver). It's a little shorter to Victoria, BC, but it'll take twice as long because of the ferry.
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Curious Chris... how far from the border is the (likely) arena going to be? I'm just wondering how similar (geographically at least) it is to the Toronto-Buffalo situation?
Got my name wrong, Pal. I am not Curious Chris.
I will trust pg1067's quote, that sounds about right. What he left out was the traffic. Once you get to Everett, that last 20 or so miles is going to feel like an eternity to get to Seattle. Brief history for non-locals: the arena is in a horrible location. It is old (by current arena standards) and Howard Schultz couldn't get funding to get it renovated, which is why he sold the Sonics at the first chance he could. It is largely a residential area with limited ingress/egress. Parking is extremely limited, though I do not know how that is going to be addressed. A local investor proposed an arena for basketball and hockey in the downtown area, by the Mariners' stadium and Seahawks field, in an industrial area with more space and easier access to multiple freeways, that would be 100% privately financed, but got no traction or support from city officials. They own the existing Key Arena and property and were never going to let any other place house any potential hockey and/or basketball team(s). I have not followed any news with regards to the new developers and what they are going to do to the area and arena, so I cannot speak to that.
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Curious Chris... how far from the border is the (likely) arena going to be? I'm just wondering how similar (geographically at least) it is to the Toronto-Buffalo situation?
Got my name wrong, Pal. I am not Curious Chris.
I will trust pg1067's quote, that sounds about right. What he left out was the traffic. Once you get to Everett, that last 20 or so miles is going to feel like an eternity to get to Seattle. Brief history for non-locals: the arena is in a horrible location. It is old (by current arena standards) and Howard Schultz couldn't get funding to get it renovated, which is why he sold the Sonics at the first chance he could. It is largely a residential area with limited ingress/egress. Parking is extremely limited, though I do not know how that is going to be addressed. A local investor proposed an arena for basketball and hockey in the downtown area, by the Mariners' stadium and Seahawks field, in an industrial area with more space and easier access to multiple freeways, that would be 100% privately financed, but got no traction or support from city officials. They own the existing Key Arena and property and were never going to let any other place house any potential hockey and/or basketball team(s). I have not followed any news with regards to the new developers and what they are going to do to the area and arena, so I cannot speak to that.
It has always seemed dumb to keep things at Key Arena. I mean, they have the ability to buy up (and I believe one developer did) the land near Safeco and CenturyLink, to build an arena. It would seem a no-brainer to put it there. I agree, anyone who hasn't been to Key Arena -- it is a nightmare with traffic. I understand the city government wanting control and a use for Key Arena, but it seems awfully selfish and not practical, given the situation. But hey, if they got the NHL, my guess is, they have some idea of what to do for getting there and parking. At least I hope so.
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I followed the whole Chris Hansen saga pretty closely, bit with any real interest in the NBA/NHL, but because it was a window in to the ineptitude of the mayor's office and city council. Imagine in a time when cities are facing a backlash on publicly funded sports areas, having someone say "Hey, I own this land free and clear, and would like to build an arena wholly with my own money" and having the mayor/city council say "No, we really think we can do better that that." The way the Mariners, the Port, and the ILWU sabotaged Hansen's plans from the start is criminal.
Once Tod Leiweke's group got involved, I stopped following the story.
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Leafs/Sabres... very entertaining game; very un-entertaining OT. At one point, Buffalo burned 37 seconds just skating around their own zone during a line-change and trying to get their play setup. Overall I'd say they burned another 30 seconds with lots of useless skating around just trying to setup a play. I know that puck possession is paramount in 3-3 play, but man they looked like they were playing afraid. - they were playing 'not-to-lose'. And in the end, literally... 10 seconds left and the Leafs start behind their own net, come up ice on a 2-2 and Matthews with that deadly snap-shot. Top shelf where they keep the peanut butter.
Protip #2: Don't get to OT with the Leafs. 4-0
Matthews... 15 goals in 14 games. And his best-bud Nylander back (prolly tomorrow, if not, Saturday).
None-the-less, Buffalo has a great team, and excellent future ahead of them. I think they'll grab at least a WC spot this year. Despite their current 4-game losing streak, all have been by 1 goal, and playing b2b against Preds/Leafs while traveling... pretty impressive. Just goes to show they had a bit of good luck with them for that 10-game winning streak (7 of which were in OT/SO). They just need to not be playing from behind - TV crew last night flashed the stat that during that 10-game streak, they had the lead for only 34 minutes. I'm looking forward to Buffalo being my #2 team when I move to the area in March.
DAT Flames/Blue Jackets game!!! :omg: :omg:
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Love watching Stu Grimson on the NHL network. That guy was a fucking beast. Yet he seems like such a mild mannered dude on TV. He's on with Brian "no one knows more about hockey than me" Lawton. I'd like to see Stu punch him right in his face. :lol
A couple of weeks ago, Stu was on with Kelly Nash :heart and he called her "Young Kelly" and she was like, "Did you just call me young?" :lol
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I'll support the Seattle team if I like the name and branding. The Golden Knights was a let down for me. It's a good thing their team was great or they would have looked silly.
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I'll support the Seattle team if I like the name and branding. The Golden Knights was a let down for me. It's a good thing their team was great or they would have looked silly.
Thought you were a Kings fan?
Anyway, I saw that "Sockeyes" won some sort of local poll to pick a team name (of course, if that mattered, the Anaheim Ducks would be called the "Dukes" - after John Wayne). I think Sockeyes is a DUMB name. For starters, if they used the colors of the fish as the team colors, it would probably result in the ugliest regular jerseys in professional sports. Second, why give your team's detractors an easily formed pejorative name - "SUCKeyes"? Third, while the meaning of "sockeye" might be well known in the PNW and, in general, to folks who fish, I imagine it's going to generate a lot of "what the fuck is a 'sockeye'?" comments.
Some of the other stuff I saw in the fan poll was better but not great (e.g., Cascades). If I didn't generally despise singular team names, I would say that the Grunge would be good. Metropolitans would be the best name, but it won't happen since there's a "Metropolitan Division."
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Here's hoping the Leafs actually show up and ... WORK ... rather than just relying on talent. That 2-game suspension on Hyman was bullshit - and I'm not being a homer in saying that. When is a body-check on someone admiring their pass a suspendible offense, let along a fucking penalty? This is going to be a no-contact league in a few years. I'm all for letting skilled players play, but it's still a physical sport. Could Hyman have held up... sure. But it wasn't dirty, it wasn't dangerous... it was just a hard hit. Man, Scott Stevens wouldn't have lasted 2 years in the current NHL - he'd have had a lifetime suspension by now.
In other news... guess coaching wasn't the only problem in St.L? Feel really bad for you Gary/Kev... things don't look promising for the team, and a fight in practice ???
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In other news... guess coaching wasn't the only problem in St.L? Feel really bad for you Gary/Kev... things don't look promising for the team, and a fight in practice ???
Yep. Bortuzzo (who has plenty of fights under his belt) fights the young kid Sanford. WTF? Picking on a kid who's half your size? It's an utter mess and dumpster fire in StL right now.
There is a massive problem with our 'core' guys who've now been through three coaches. Steen, Petrangelo, Schwartz, Allen and Tarasenko. It's unspoken but known that Steen was pi$$ed when Petro was anointed Captain by our GM instead of it being him. Ever since then there has been talk of 'team Steen' vs 'Team Petro' in the locker room. On top of that....apparently Backes was the only guy who could reign in Tarasenko as far as getting max effort in practices and games and stop him from whining when he wasn't scoring.
Tarasenko's no-trade clause doesn't kick in until next season. I'd see what I could get for him and ship him. He's a talent yes....but he's the easiest to move right now. Petro's contract ends next year and he's gonna want top tier D money. I wouldn't give it to him. He's upper tier potential and has flashes of it but I don't think he ever gets there. He has a full no trade though....but I'd be shopping him.
no one is going to take Steen and his $5 Million a year hit for the next 4 years. He's only good for Penalty Kills and third line efforts these days with an occasional goal when we really don't need it. Full no trade clause.
Schwartz is hurt as much as he plays. He can be the straw that stirs your teams drink when he's healthy and going but for the most part he's another one I'd turn the page on. Full no trade clause though.
And then there's Jake Allen. He's super gifted and talented....has proven he can steal a playoff series yet he head cases out at least once a year. You can't blame this season on him though. Early on when the team was scoring a ton our defense was non existent and he was getting peppered left and right. Then, as we tighten our D up we can't score meaning he gives up a goal an loses. Hard to trade him though with a full no trad and $4.35 Million dollar salary.
I'm talking blow it up. Those guys aren't 'bad' players and would be a gift to most other teams but I'm F'n done with them. Send them packing and let them win a cup with whichever team they end up on in Traditional former Blues player style.
Funny thing is....they are SO freaking bad this year I don't/can't even get mad :lol I have absolutely zero expectations. I just feel horrible for the owner Stillman who has done EVERYTHING he possibly can as an owner for these players/coaches/GM....including spending to the cap this season. and they reward him with zero drive or heart. It's pathetic.
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5 or more goals against in 6 of their home games already this year. And did I see that they just put Chad Johnson on waivers?
Man, what a cluster. Those NTC might not be as harmful as you think. If the culture and performance continues to be this bad, why wouldn't some of these guys want to get the fuck out of Dodge?
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Yeah, as a disgruntled Blues fan, the only thing that brings me any comfort this season is seeing their arch rivals, the Blackhawks, fail even more (tonight they could lose their 9th in a row). It seems like the Blues players are already sick to death of that lame new song that plays after every single goal and victory, and so they're choosing not to hear it. At this point in the season, they are clearly the most disappointing team in the league, while the Flames are the most improved.
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At this point in the season, they are clearly the most disappointing team in the league, while the Flames are the most improved.
Respectively, LA and Buffalo might have a word to say about who's more disappointed / improved. Though, I'd tend to agree... StL does look like the team that has failed the most to meet expectations.
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At this point in the season, they are clearly the most disappointing team in the league, while the Flames are the most improved.
Respectively, LA and Buffalo might have a word to say about who's more disappointed / improved. Though, I'd tend to agree... StL does look like the team that has failed the most to meet expectations.
Yeah you're probably right about the Sabres, especially considering just how long it's been since they've made the playoffs (or even came close). It makes me wonder if they'd be doing just as well had the Blues given them Jake Allen instead of Carter Hutton.
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At this point in the season, they are clearly the most disappointing team in the league, while the Flames are the most improved.
Respectively, LA and Buffalo might have a word to say about who's more disappointed / improved. Though, I'd tend to agree... StL does look like the team that has failed the most to meet expectations.
Yeah you're probably right about the Sabres, especially considering just how long it's been since they've made the playoffs (or even came close). It makes me wonder if they'd be doing just as well had the Blues given them Jake Allen instead of Carter Hutton.
Blues didn’t give them Hutton, he signed with them. Blues couldn’t give away Jake Allen right now.....especially in the off season.
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New Jersey disappoints me a lot, mainly because they were doing so well last year and seemed to really hit a stride, it's sad to see them regress in a not so strong Metro. I haven't watched many of their games, but it seems goaltending is the issue?
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That 2-game suspension on Hyman was bullshit - and I'm not being a homer in saying that. When is a body-check on someone admiring their pass a suspendible offense, let along a fucking penalty? This is going to be a no-contact league in a few years. I'm all for letting skilled players play, but it's still a physical sport. Could Hyman have held up... sure. But it wasn't dirty, it wasn't dangerous... it was just a hard hit.
Time for you to check up on the rule about interference. It was a late hit that was completely unnecessary, and what led to the decision to suspend Hyman is well argumented here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtLw97Ux1FQ - I'm also worried that Hyman might've retaliated McAvoy's earlier action for which he got an appropriate penalty. That kind of shit needs to go away from any sport.
And Stevens is probably one player that inspired this development in the first place. He played part in shortening two hall-of-famers' careers with hits to the head.
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I don't know, Luoto. I'm surprised he was suspended. They never put a time for what the "brief window" is, nor compare it to the time elapsed from pass to check. He f'n buried him, but I thought he was just finishing his check. MacAvoy needs to have his head up and stop admiring his pass. Hyman doesn't take another stride after the pass is made.
...and I'm a Boston guy. I honestly had no issue with the hit.
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First... for the hundreds or thousands of clean hits Stevens had over his career, I'll be the first in line to say that the Lindros and (ESPECIALLY) Kariya hits were bad.
Second ... on the Hyman hit. I can see it being an interference penalty, but even then, it's a coin toss. We see 'nudges' that were late like that one all the time. Hyman's hit wasn't in the head, he didn't leave his feet, he didn't take any strides leading up to it. It was a clean and (imo) marginally late hit - sure as hell didn't seem "extremely" late. But here's my real issue with this. In the effort to get rid of the bad hits (looking at you Tom Wilson), the league is seeing that players don't expect to get hit at all. Why was McIvoy vulnerable in that position? Because he's just standing there not expecting to be hit. That's just irresponsible on his part... he's in the corner, and there are 2 forecheckers coming in on him. He should be expecting and READY to take a check. But he isn't. It seems there's this mentality (especially with the young 20-somethings) that they don't have to protect themselves, why... because the league will.
The Leafs were down 6-2 at that point I believe. It had been a bad game for them. It's not uncommon - and frankly should be expected by the winning team - that a team going down that badly... TO A CRUCIAL DIVISIONAL RIVAL ... is going to get physical. McIvoy should get a 2-game suspension for leaving himself so vulnerable. jk, of course.
FWIW, I thought it was utter BS for Hainsey to take exception of the hit on Reilly too. That was as clean as it comes. The idiot (Reilly) was skating with his head down across the middle of the neutral zone. What did he fucking expect??
I can't wait for Grapes to weigh in on this Saturday. He has before - and pointed to the lack of development for kids to teach them on how to take a hit. It's a players own responsibility to keep themselves 'safe'... no one else's. Not the league's, and certainly not your opponent. The only responsibility the latter has is to not make a dirty hit. Hyman's was not dirty in any way.
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McIvoy should get a 2-game suspension for leaving himself so vulnerable. jk, of course.
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He f'n buried him, but I thought he was just finishing his check.
He took two strides the moment McAvoy passed the puck, from about 18 feet away. That's not finishing a check, sorry. I'd probably take one game off that suspension though.
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He f'n buried him, but I thought he was just finishing his check.
He took two strides the moment McAvoy passed the puck, from about 18 feet away. That's not finishing a check, sorry. I'd probably take one game off that suspension though.
As much as I'd like to agree with TAC, Hyman could have not made the hit at all. He had plenty of time to veer off. It was more than 'finishing' a check... he was definitely creating a hit (for all the reasons I pointed out above).
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It was definitely lining him up more than finishing a check for sure. He was definitely running him. I just didn't have a problem with it.
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There's games ya win that you didn't deserve. The Leafs had stole a couple this year thanks to some puck luck and stellar goal-tending from Freddie. I guess it's only fair for them to give one up in that regard. They played an amazing 59 1/2 minutes against TB last night - including 4 posts, 8 shots on one of their PPs, and a swarming PK. A costly turnover from Nylander (he still looks like a pre-season player), a blistering shot by Kucherov that was actually a glove save, but the shot was so hard Freddie's glove flinched back an inch or so over the goal-line, and a 35-second lapse in play at the end of the 2nd.
I was hoping Vasilevsky might not be in top form after a 14 game layoff. Boy, was I wrong. That's gotta be the goal-tending performance of the year.
Awesome game. I can't wait for the next 3 these two play.
I feel bad for Florida, as I think the Leafs are gonna have a massive chip on their shoulder for playing so well, but still taking the L.
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Wow! Stars CEO with owner's approval goes nuclear on Seguin and Benn.
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Did the owner approve it? The whole article is so weird, especially coming off of a shutout against the Predators. Couldn't they have waited until a losing streak? I don't know if the best way to light a fire under someone is to call an on-record meeting with journalists and call your star players "fucking horse shit" although quite frankly with the money these guys make, they should always be bringing their A-game. But players have off years and Dallas isn't really that bad, it just seems so weird. We'll see what happens...
Maybe the Wild should try doing something like that too. Call out Parise and Suter and many others...
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Wow! Stars CEO with owner's approval goes nuclear on Seguin and Benn.
Yeah... that was something else. And after a WIN. It's not like this was an 'UBER' moment caught unsuspectingly.... it was a fucking interview.
All Star selection in the Atlantic is gonna be tough on the Leafs/Lightning. There are 4 spots for the following players: Kucherov, Point, Stamkos, Vasilevsky, Tavares, Marner, Reilly, Anderson. And that assumes that Buffalo/Boston will only be sending 1 player each - which means Marchand and/or Pastranak won't be going (Boston's pick could be Halak); and one of Eichel/Skinner won't be going.
I'll bet both the Leafs/Lightning send the extra 3 spots, and it'll be Point, Marner and Reilly.
Tampa - Vasilevsky*, Kucherov, Point*
Toronto - Andersen*, Marner*, Reilly, Matthews
Buffalo - Eichel (maybe Skinner)
Montreal - Domi
Boston - Halak
Florida - Barkov
Detroit - Green
Ottawa - Chabot
* - one of Vasilevsky/Andersen; Point/Marner
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Anyone else watching the Juniors Tournament?
Holy crap, this is some amazing hockey. These kids are incredible.
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Anyone else watching the Juniors Tournament?
Holy crap, this is some amazing hockey. These kids are incredible.
I watched the Can v. Rus game tonight, but i haven't been very interested in this tournament for the last few years. Not sure why, since i used to follow very closely. Tonight's game, despite the result, was pretty damn good.
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Last night's OT between the US and Sweden was ridiculous. Some of the best hockey and skating I've ever seen.
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Went to the Devils matinee game today because by waiting until 1/2 an hour before gametime I was able to snag a seat 15 rows off the ice for $33. Third straight win coming out of the Christmas break, all without Taylor Hall. A lot of the contributions have been coming from the younger players we were counting on to take a step forward this season, which hopefully bodes well for the rest of the year. And then what else can I say about Mackenzie Blackwood at this point. He's been lights out since he came up from the AHL, going 3-1 in four starts (even looking sharp in his one loss) and with an overall save % of about .963 if you include his two relief appearances.
We also got a contender for what I'm calling the "Die in a Fire" award (the trophy is known as "The Marchand") as after the game was out of hand Antoine Roussel decided to start bouncing Damon Severson's head off the ice
https://twitter.com/RTaub_/status/1079832651215847430
Dude already has a max fine this season for biting someone :lol
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Anyone else watching the Juniors Tournament?
Holy crap, this is some amazing hockey. These kids are incredible.
I usually do catch some of the games, but haven't had the time to. Now that we're in to the medal rounds, I'll try to make it happen. Thing is, mrs.jingle is not a sports person ... AT. ALL. >:(
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Anyone else watching the Juniors Tournament?
Holy crap, this is some amazing hockey. These kids are incredible.
I usually do catch some of the games, but haven't had the time to. Now that we're in to the medal rounds, I'll try to make it happen. Thing is, mrs.jingle is not a sports person ... AT. ALL. >:(
My wife is the exact opposite. She loves sports but does not understand my obsession with music.
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I see that this feature is almost a year old, but I just watched it on YouTube last night. It's a Sportsnet story on Kevin Stevens. It's gripping.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bId96qoM9M
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I see that this feature is almost a year old, but I just watched it on YouTube last night. It's a Sportsnet story on Kevin Stevens. It's gripping.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bId96qoM9M
Thanks Tim... can't wait to watch this. Stevens/Recchi/LeClair was a killer line behind the awesomeness of Lemieux/Jagr. I remember that game/hit. Second most horrific thing I remember from those days (Clint Malarchuk being #1). I was too young to remember Salming's.
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Just watched that. Man, what a rough road he had.
When that was done, there was a 1/2 segment on Kariya as a recommendation - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1l31TA0MLA. Man that guy was fun to watch. Too bad his injuries derailed him. The Stevens hit is the one usually referenced, but that cross-check that Suter gave him (they show it twice in this segment) I think was the one that really started his head injury issues - not to mention a lot of other injury problems that plagued his career.
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IMO, those are some fucked up All-star inclusions / exclusions - especially from the Atlantic.
Domi - not in; Point/Marner - not in; Reilly - not in.
Jimmy Howard, Carey Price, Stamkos are in ?? I'm sorry, but none of them are having All-Star years. And I get that it's in SJ, but Karlsson and Pavelski are also NOT having All-Star seasons so far. Favoring them over the likes of Draisaitl or Lindholm, and Giordano is insulting.
Some of them still have a chance to make it on the 'last man' votes, but they should've been selected outright.
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Welp... Andersen just placed on IR, and Sparks is undergoing concussion protocol. Leafs goaltending situation ain't so hot. Time to see if the team can step it up defensively. This might actually be a good thing - force them not to rely on Andersen to bail out their defensive deficiencies.
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Pretty excited to see St. Louis get the All Star game in 2020.....and, it coincides with my birthday so I'm thinking what better gift, right?
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Pretty excited to see St. Louis get the All Star game in 2020.....and, it coincides with my birthday so I'm thinking what better gift, right?
I would think a better gift would be a more competitive team lol
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Though... Gary's probably thinking about a realistic and attainable gift.
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Pretty excited to see St. Louis get the All Star game in 2020.....and, it coincides with my birthday so I'm thinking what better gift, right?
I went to the 1996 All Star Game in Boston and the night before for the Skills Event. It was fun. Ray Bourque scored the game winner and the place went nuts.
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Pretty excited to see St. Louis get the All Star game in 2020.....and, it coincides with my birthday so I'm thinking what better gift, right?
I would think a better gift would be a more competitive team lol
I gave up on that. At least I know for sure the All Star game will be here. Although, being the NHL stole Scott Stevens from us and gifted him to the Devils.....I wouldn’t be surprised if they move it to Dallas or something two weeks before the game.
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At least I know for sure the All Star game will be here. Although, being the NHL stole Scott Stevens from us and gifted him to the Devils.....I wouldn’t be surprised if they move it to Dallas or something two weeks before the game.
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You're not wrong (about the bolded part).
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Few things in sports have ever left me as bitter as having Scott Stevens ripped away from us did. That bitterness took decades to dissipate, probably because he was like the first in a long run of ex-Blues that won a Cup elsewhere once I reached adulthood and took wins and losses more to heart.
Fortunately, I have reached the point where I only expect the Blues to let me down now, so the losses I take in stride and the wins I enjoy more because they seem so unexpected.
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My god, the Kings suck.
And that sucks....
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My god, the Kings suck.
And that sucks....
Well to be fair, it was Tampa - they are 12 points ahead of the next best teams in the league.
And wow... Vegas is coming back from the dead.
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My god, the Kings suck.
And that sucks....
Well to be fair, it was Tampa - they are 12 points ahead of the next best teams in the league.
If only it were just the Tampa game....
Last night was the Kings' 42nd game of the season and they have 35 points. On a pace for 68 points, which would be the team's worst finish since 2006-07.
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You and Gary/Kev can fight it out for the best odds to win the lottery pick.
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Voted for the All Star Last Men In:
Bergeron
Backstrom
Laine
Giordano
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Voted for the All Star Last Men In:
Bergeron
Backstrom
Laine
Giordano
Well, you got 1 (maybe 2) out of 4 right :biggrin:. Not sure how one can give the nod to Laine over Landeskog - the latter is 1 more goal, 16 more assists, and is + 30 higher (+19 vs -11 for Laine). Seems like a no brainer to me. Bergeron... out 14 games and still an all-star? Matthews wouldn't be an all-star if he hadn't been voted in. Backstrom - well, it was a toss-up between him and Letang, and I went Kris. Giordano is the obvious choice for the Pacific.
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Bergeron... out 14 games and still an all-star?
You don't hockey do you?
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Bergeron... out 14 games and still an all-star?
You don't hockey do you?
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I do. I also know a homer pick when I see one.
That said, I voted Reilly! :lol Now, he is #2 in +/-, and #2 in points by defensemen (leading in goals).
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You and Gary/Kev can fight it out for the best odds to win the lottery pick.
Hey now. Tonight the Flyers play the Blues for the rights to determine who gets to fight with the Kings for those odds.
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Hey now. Tonight the Flyers play the Blues for the rights to determine who gets to fight with the Kings for those odds.
It's still shocking to me just how bad the Blues are. They haven't won three games in a row all year. Just when they look like they could put together a good streak.....they play like a$$ again for a few games. Zero consistency, no heart or drive.....it's pretty bad.
You'll be facing our back up goal keeper Binnington, who is pretty good. Or I should say....has promise. That is the only thing that will keep me interested in the game tonight is to see how he looks.
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Hey now. Tonight the Flyers play the Blues for the rights to determine who gets to fight with the Kings for those odds.
It's still shocking to me just how bad the Blues are. They haven't won three games in a row all year. Just when they look like they could put together a good streak.....they play like a$$ again for a few games. Zero consistency, no heart or drive.....it's pretty bad.
You'll be facing our back up goal keeper Binnington, who is pretty good. Or I should say....has promise. That is the only thing that will keep me interested in the game tonight is to see how he looks.
You'll be facing one of the seven goalies we've had dressed this season.
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You'll be facing one of the seven goalies we've had dressed this season.
:lol Not laughing at you.....laughing with you. The good thing about being SO bad this year is my blood pressure has been great. I have zero expectations when watching a game.....in fact, I like watching how the Blues can find new creative ways to lose a game. So...I'm much more tolerable to be around. Just ask my wife. She's loving the Blues sucking so bad this year.
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As opposed to me - I lose my shit when the Leafs under-play. It's rewarding and frustrating at the same time to have a team that legitimately can/could win every game - I obviously don't mean that literally... they're not gonna go 41-0 to finish the season :lol. But when they play like turds in a 4-0 loss to NYI; or don't show up until 10 minutes left in the 3rd to force OT against Detroit ... well, it's maddening. It's a good thing they're talented as shit across the board, because there are a LOT of games that they should have lost where Andersen and/or some offensive heroics have salvaged a victory.
@ Gary... it's absolutely incredulous that the Ducks are -23 on GF/GA and have the 8th wildcard spot at the moment. You guys are -19, and in last place :omg:. I guess it doesn't matter if you lose by a goal, or lose by 5... a loss is a loss.
@ Nick... that's some tough goaltending issues you guys have had. Doesn't help that your offense stinks too!
Fuck me sideways, I took a flyer on both those teams in my pool... taking Tarasenko and Ghost. Those two guys are killing me. It was a box selection pool (19 categories with 5 players per category). Tarasenko was in the same group as Marner/Point :zeltar: ; Ghost was in the A-list defense box with Burns/Karlsson/Carlson/Headmen. If I take Marner and Burns, I'm leading the pool. >:( Instead, I'm in 19th (of 141).
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I've barely even watched the Blues in the last month or so. I am not fan of torturing myself, which is also why I never listen to Kiss or Nickelback.
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The thing is the Flyers have a team that *could* be killer this year, but pretty much everything that could be wrong is.
Goalies are the obvious start. Elliot was the one consistently decent goaltender and he's spent most of the year injured. Hart is unproven and has had great game and shaky games, and just no way you can depend on him to carry a team yet. So when Elliot is out I do feel from the psychological aspect of the game players are shaky constantly wondering if anything matter since their goalie will never bail them out or make those big saves that win games.
Building out from there both are big defensive names have had major setbacks this year. If Provorov and Ghost play as good or better as last season and thus take the pressure from everyone below them this entire season looks different. At this point I just hope they get back on track for the future. We still do have one killer defensive prospect that can hopefully help out going forward as well.
Offensively if you're not Claude Giroux you're a disappointment in some way. Simmonds doesn't have the grit of previous seasons and is down a peg in speed. He and Voracek both have defensive issues. JVR started the year injured and is only now finding his game again. Coots is a good solid TWF but not the powerhouse he was last season. Nolan Patrick isn't doing what you expect from a #2 pick at this point and Konecny is having scoring issues. Dale Weiss still makes our lineup. The other younger forwards can sometimes be good, but are rarely pushing the team ahead. At one point or another Weal, Laughton, Raffl, and Lindblom have all shown signs of something better at points in their career but none can seem to elevate right now. One of the better forwards has been recent call up Varone.
All that said I have always said and will always say Claude Giroux is THE most underrated player in the league. Every year there are hot hands that garner more attention than him, but over the course of the past 10 years there has not been a more consistent point producer in the league except Crosby, who is much more injury prone, and Giroux has constantly elevated the play of those on the ice with him.
IF either Hart starts dominating the NHL like he did in juniors, or Elliot comes back in great shape, AND some of the things listed above turn around I can certainly see this team doing MUCH better in the 2nd half, but likely too little too late for the playoffs.
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@ Gary... it's absolutely incredulous that the Ducks are -23 on GF/GA and have the 8th wildcard spot at the moment. You guys are -19, and in last place :omg:. I guess it doesn't matter if you lose by a goal, or lose by 5... a loss is a loss.
The Blues are 9 pts out of a Wild Card slot right now with (4) games at hand on the Ducks and (3) games on most others (save the Wild only 1) that are in front of them. It's not 'impossible' to make some noise...put together a run and get right back in it. But they lose two games at home to both NY teams that they 'should' have won. Played good hockey yet still found a way to lose. Like I said....they haven't won 3 games in a row this season!!! Gimme a break...really? It's maddening yet at the same time I find myself not even giving a :censored at this point. I'm more curious to see who gets traded. Because we need to.
I'd ship Petrangelo and Tarasenko both. We aren't going to give Petro the $8+ million a year he'll want after his contract expires next season...so I'd send him packing. Issue is he has a full no trade clause. But rumor is that he'd take a trade to Toronto in a heartbeat.
Tarasenko ***snip*** killing me.
Dude is a shell of the player he was just three years ago. He's missing shots that he has historically buried. He was alone 7 foot in front of the goalie last game against the Islanders with us down by (1) goal with 7 or 8 minutes to play and he just shot the puck center mass into the goalies chest. There was a time where he'd have picked any corner and put that puck where no goalie could save it.
I'd trade him as well while we can. His no trace clause kicks in after this season. He's rumored to be an issue in the locker room and on the team in general due to his practice regiment (non existent) so I'd see what I could get for him and call it even. He's been trending down the past few seasons anyway. I don't see him ever being 'elite'....if he was going to be he'd have already been there. He's been good and above average but he's not next level...probably never will be.
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The thing is the Flyers have a team that *could* be killer this year, but pretty much everything that could be wrong is.
Sounds eerily familiar to the Blues. Could easily be in the top ten teams in the league with the talent they have on this team. Just nothing has worked for them this season.
Started off scoring gobs of goals but were letting in gobs at the same time. Then, when our goaltending shaped up....we couldn't score. Power Play hot? Well then our PK sucked. We've not had all our game working at the same time this season at all. Couple that with the rumored locker room beefs and it's just a bunch of guys who are skilled out there playing hockey rather than a 'true' team out there playing for one another and making the sacrifices necessary. Independent contractors....that's what we have. Not a 'team'.
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@ Gary... it's absolutely incredulous that the Ducks are -23 on GF/GA and have the 8th wildcard spot at the moment. You guys are -19, and in last place :omg:. I guess it doesn't matter if you lose by a goal, or lose by 5... a loss is a loss.
Here is the thing, the longer the season goes on the more those types of stats catch up on you, as it's one I always follow. Look at the end of season stats almost any year and you'll see a pretty clear trend top to bottom with goal differential usually going greatest to least with a small exception or two.
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The thing is the Flyers have a team that *could* be killer this year, but pretty much everything that could be wrong is.
Sounds eerily familiar to the Blues. Could easily be in the top ten teams in the league with the talent they have on this team. Just nothing has worked for them this season.
Started off scoring gobs of goals but were letting in gobs at the same time. Then, when our goaltending shaped up....we couldn't score. Power Play hot? Well then our PK sucked. We've not had all our game working at the same time this season at all. Couple that with the rumored locker room beefs and it's just a bunch of guys who are skilled out there playing hockey rather than a 'true' team out there playing for one another and making the sacrifices necessary. Independent contractors....that's what we have. Not a 'team'.
Plus, an 'interim' head coach. Just bring back JQ already.
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It's official, Gary and Kev can stop their bitching, Flyers have under-competed them for the shittier team!
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Hey now, I don't bitch. At least relative to my fellow St. Louisan. :P
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It's official, Gary and Kev can stop their bitching, Flyers have under-competed them for the shittier team!
I thought it was quite ironic that the day I lay into Tarasenko he finally scores a goal after 13 games :lol And of course Binnington would get a shut out....
Hey now, I don't bitch. At least relative to my fellow St. Louisan. :P
I'm WAY more subdued than I used to be
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It's official, Gary and Kev can stop their bitching, Flyers have under-competed them for the shittier team!
My Kings and the Senators scoff at your comment! The following teams have earned less than one point per game this season:
The Blues have 38 points in 40 games (.950 PPG)
The Coyotes have 39 points in 42 games (.929 PPG)
The Red Wings have 39 points in 44 games (.886 PPG)
The Blackhawks have 39 points in 45 games (.867 PPG)
The Flyers have 36 points in 42 games (.857 PPG)
The Kings have 37 points in 44 games (.841 PPG)
The Senators have 35 points in 43 games (.814 PPG)
Hard to believe a team is sucking worse than the Kings right now, but there it is. The Blues are flying high by comparison.
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It's official, Gary and Kev can stop their bitching, Flyers have under-competed them for the shittier team!
My Kings and the Senators scoff at your comment! The following teams have earned less than one point per game this season:
The Blues have 38 points in 40 games (.950 PPG)
The Coyotes have 39 points in 42 games (.929 PPG)
The Red Wings have 39 points in 44 games (.886 PPG)
The Blackhawks have 39 points in 45 games (.867 PPG)
The Flyers have 36 points in 42 games (.857 PPG)
The Kings have 37 points in 44 games (.841 PPG)
The Senators have 35 points in 43 games (.814 PPG)
Hard to believe a team is sucking worse than the Kings right now, but there it is. The Blues are flying high by comparison.
Red Wings need to step it up in the Lose for Hughes campaign. Given their recent play, I think they're ready to make their move.
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King/TAC... it's on.
Hopefully Andersen is back between the pipes. TBD after the morning skate. You guys look to be back to almost full health, so it ought to be a good one tonight.
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King/TAC... it's on.
:metal :natalieportman:
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Dayum. I'm very worried for this team. They rarely have looked like (up until this week) the 2nd best team in the NHL. Anderson's injury just proves how valuable he is to this team. I've got a feeling they'll finish 3rd again in the Atlantic, and will have another case of the yips with Boston.
Great game... and a great win by the Bs.
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Man Tampa looks un-fucking-stoppable. Injuries don't phase them at all... Losing Vasilevsky for 14 games, and they go 12-2; Miller/Callahan out for a bit? No problem.
And the Pacific is lighting it up too - Shark and Golden Knights on a tear too.
On the other hand, Anaheim and Colorado are in freefall mode.
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Freakin' Kings look like garbage against Ottawa and then come out and spank the Penguins. Granted it was a back-to-back for the Pens, but still.... Kings are making me wish football season were longer.
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Last nights win against the Bolts should dispel any question that Andersen is the MVP for the Leafs. Holy crap the saves he made in the 3rd! At least 8-10 beautifully setup 1-times for Stamkos (who had 18 shots directed at the net; 10 official SOG!) or Kuch, along with a number of high traffic slappers by Hedman. After the steaming turd that was the 6-3 loss to the Avs, the Leafs responded magnificently. Hope they don't fall flat against the Panthers tonight - it would be cool to see them become the 3rd Canadian (and 4th overall) team to get to 30 wins.
The Atlantic is heating up. A Toronto-Montreal first round matchup is not out of the question - Habs only 2 points behind the Bruins. Buffalo is only a few back for the last wildcard spot. Who had either of those their radar when the season started!?!?
Gary... why couldn't the Blues hold it together and whoop the Bruins last night? It'll be interesting to see if you guys can string a few together, and make a run for a wildcard spot ... or seeing how soft the Central has been, maybe even the #3 spot. Maybe the Blues won't be 'sellers' over the next month. Ott-LA-Ana over the next week. Would love to see you guys go 3-0 there.
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So I'm watching Barry Melrose (for the first time) on the NHL network tonight.
Is he OK?
I mean, I'm surprised to see he is 62, but he's coming off as drunk. All red faced and slurring his speech. Maybe that's how he talks. I honestly havent seen him on TV in a long time.
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Hope they don't fall flat against the Panthers tonight - it would be cool to see them become the 3rd Canadian (and 4th overall) team to get to 30 wins.
Or... they could just drop another steaming turd against a team that hasn't won in 7, and a goalie that hasn't won in 6. I guess the Leafs are now the cure that ails a struggling team.
Everyone who had the Islanders leading the Metropolitan at anytime other than the first 2 games in the season, raise your hand.
That's what I figured.
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Jingle, is Nylander getting absolutely skewered in there TO media right now? I just realized he has 3 pts in 18 games coming out of a contract holdout, which doesn't seem like it would sit well with Leafs fans.
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Yup. Fans and media think the next step is for him to be a healthy scratch. I fucking hated the deal from the outset, and thought Dubas should let the little brat sit for a year. I predicted he wouldn't even get 40 points when he was signed ... now he's looking like he might not even get 20 points. He isn't producing points, and has been a defensive liability.
Meanwhile, the deal means the Leafs likely won't be able to keep both Kapanen and Johnson, which pisses me off - they're proving to be more complete players than Nylander, and it's not like the Leafs need Nylander's offence - even when he is producing.
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I actually think Kapanen is better.
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He certainly has been this year.
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I didn't think the Nylander deal was that bad if he could put up 60-70 points per season, which should have been quite attainable. He's almost like the Leafs version of Lucic...except he's not out of shape and a slow as fuck skater, of course.
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Back when the deal was signed, I said this had all the potential to be a Lucic-bad deal in the long term.
I'll tell you this, his shit-ass performance is surely pissing off a lot of young RFA's - guys like Rantanen, Point, Marner, Laine, Tkachuk, Boeser, Aho, Connor ... All guys having great seasons, but their holdout leverage has to be weakened the longer Nylander looks like shit. Just goes to show that a 2 month holdout is a major performance risk.
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I'm surprised they didn't trade him tbh, but I guess that shows what the rest of the league thought about him. I visit the TSN website daily, and I don't remember any pressure the Leafs were under.
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I'm surprised they didn't trade him tbh, but I guess that shows what the rest of the league thought about him. I visit the TSN website daily, and I don't remember any pressure the Leafs were under.
Leafs were humming along. On Dec 1st, after signing Willie and the win against the Wild, they were 19-8; since then, 10-8-2 - .700 winning percentage to .500. Granted, Andersen was out for 6 games. The general consensus was that he would improve the team. It's been the exact opposite in every way. That isn't entirely on Nylander, but it is what it is. I think everyone thought he'd need 8-10 games or the month of December to get into a groove. Clearly, training camp and actual playing time critircal is for a young player. I believe this season is gonna be a wash for him... 25 points at best ... and he'll return to his 60-point form next year. I don't think he'll be anything more than a 60-70 point guy though, and the Leafs are gonna be stuck over-paying him for the next 6 years. I'd be glad to be proven wrong though.
Sad news is, Johnsson and some other young talent are gonna have to be traded to get the upgrade on defense the team desperately needs. Word is that Kapanen isn't a trade option, despite some GMs asking for him.
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Peter Chiarelli fired. Wow, he fucked up the Oilers big time. Did the Oilers not talk to anyone in Boston before hiring him?
Handing out ridiculous contracts....Saw this coming 3000 miles away.
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Peter Chiarelli fired. Wow, he fucked up the Oilers big time. Did the Oilers not talk to anyone in Boston before hiring him?
Handing out ridiculous contracts....Saw this coming 3000 miles away.
Shoulda happened a long time ago. How does a franchise get 3 CONSECUTIVE #1 picks, 4 in six years - WITH ONE OF THEM BEING CONNOR FUCKING MCDAVID - and the team still sucks ass!?!?!? The legacy of Taylor Hall... essentially he was given away for waivers. A #1 draft pick for waivers .... THAT NO OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE CLAIMED!
Nylander has his best game of the season (looking like the 'old' Nylander), and now the team is off for 8 days. :lolpalm:
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Peter Chiarelli fired. Wow, he fucked up the Oilers big time. Did the Oilers not talk to anyone in Boston before hiring him?
Handing out ridiculous contracts....Saw this coming 3000 miles away.
Shoulda happened a long time ago. How does a franchise get 3 CONSECUTIVE #1 picks, 4 in six years - WITH ONE OF THEM BEING CONNOR FUCKING MCDAVID - and the team still sucks ass!?!?!? The legacy of Taylor Hall... essentially he was given away for waivers. A #1 draft pick for waivers .... THAT NO OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE CLAIMED!
Nylander has his best game of the season (looking like the 'old' Nylander), and now the team is off for 8 days. :lolpalm:
Yakupov was given away for waivers. Hall at least returned Larsson, who is desperately needed on this roster. The issue on the Hall trade is that it should have been Larsson+picks or players. No way those players are equal.
Eberle was given away for nothing, especially when you consider they've already moved on from the return piece (Strome).
Lucic's contract is a fucking 2 tonne boat anchor for another 4 years after this season. That's going to be Shotgun Pete's legacy here in edmonton.
What i want to know is why the hell Katz (owner) or Nicholson (president of Oilers entertainment) let the idiot sign Koskinen to a multi year deal worth nearly double his current salary if the planwas to fire him anyway. Or maybe that was just the last straw since Koskinen put up a .889 save pct the very first game after the signing.
Sigh.... it's going to be another long stretch run and off season
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Yakupov was given away for waivers. Hall at least returned Larsson, who is desperately needed on this roster. The issue on the Hall trade is that it should have been Larsson+picks or players. No way those players are equal.
Eberle was given away for nothing, especially when you consider they've already moved on from the return piece (Strome).
Lucic's contract is a fucking 2 tonne boat anchor for another 4 years after this season. That's going to be Shotgun Pete's legacy here in edmonton.
What i want to know is why the hell Katz (owner) or Nicholson (president of Oilers entertainment) let the idiot sign Koskinen to a multi year deal worth nearly double his current salary if the planwas to fire him anyway. Or maybe that was just the last straw since Koskinen put up a .889 save pct the very first game after the signing.
Sigh.... it's going to be another long stretch run and off season
Oh yeah... right - I was mixing up that it was the Eberle deal that landed you guys with Strome, and ultimately Spooner who cleared waivers last week! Eberle for a player that NONE of the 31 teams in the league seem to want - including the Oil :lol. The Koskinen contract was another head scratcher. You guys (or I guess it was just Pistol Pete) seem to commit to these goalies who demonstrate some flashes of brilliance, and assume that is the norm rather than exception. Talbot? Koskinen? Neither of them can carry a 60+ game load.
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To be fair, I believe both Talbot and Koskinen could be #1 goalies, the problem with the Oilers is they have no semblance of defense on the team. When you can't defend I don't see the point in paying a goalie that much when it should be a priority to use that money to fill out the glaring holes throughout the roster.
That being said, the signing still doesn't make sense. Why give Chiarelli the OK to sign him if you were even thinking of firing him? Why sign him right now for that price, when waiting to the end of the year is either going to save you money or you sign him for the same amount with a little more added confidence after seeing him play 25 more times?
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To be fair, I believe both Talbot and Koskinen could be #1 goalies, the problem with the Oilers is they have no semblance of defense on the team. When you can't defend I don't see the point in paying a goalie that much when it should be a priority to use that money to fill out the glaring holes throughout the roster.
That being said, the signing still doesn't make sense. Why give Chiarelli the OK to sign him if you were even thinking of firing him? Why sign him right now for that price, when waiting to the end of the year is either going to save you money or you sign him for the same amount with a little more added confidence after seeing him play 25 more times?
In the press conference Nicholson said the Koskinen signing was an organizational decision, but maybe that was him trying to save face. It was one of the first questions asked by the media lol.
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So ... Nate MacKinnon is too injured to do the fastest skate, and is being replaced with Kendall Coyne, U.S. Women's National Team.
This is fucking awesome.
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So ... Nate MacKinnon is too injured to do the fastest skate, and is being replaced with Kendall Coyne, U.S. Women's National Team.
This is fucking awesome.
Rumor has it that Peter Chiarelli was about to sign her to a 7 year $80 mil contract.
Edit: Damn, she can fly!
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So ... Nate MacKinnon is too injured to do the fastest skate, and is being replaced with Kendall Coyne, U.S. Women's National Team.
This is fucking awesome.
Rumor has it that Peter Chiarelli was about to sign her to a 7 year $80 mil contract.
Edit: Damn, she can fly!
Sportsnet up here flashed a stat that her time was faster than 4 previous fastest skater winners, including Peter Bondra ... who I remember was a fast mofo.
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Friggin' Ducks' goalie was a SIEVE yesterday. Metro goalies should have shared the MVP.
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I just posted in the NFL thread, but that was the lamest All Star weekend I think I've ever seen. Other than Marc Andre Fluery, who looks happy to be anywhere, no one looked happy to be there.
They spent so much time on the technology thingy. While the Pro Bowl, which I normally hate, takes you inside the huddle where you can hear the QB's call plays, the NHL shows you a puck trail. BFD!
Also, what's with the name plates floating over the players during the action? That's what numbers are for!
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I think all that stuff was essentially a commercial for some sort of NHL streaming app. The puck trail was dumb when Fox did it 20 years ago (or whatever it was), and it's dumb now. The player labels were annoying and got in the way of the action
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Lol NBC Sports. The puck/player tracker technology was used on a couple of replays on the CBC broadcast, but largely just talked about vs actually used.
I'd say most players were having fun - other than those that were in the premier passer competition. The league has to do something about that one. Talk about a kill-joy. Horribly designed event.
As far as the games go, the Atlantic/Metro game was pretty good - the Metro was the one division that clearly cared about having some defensive zone coverage - hence only giving up 4 and 5 goals. The Pacific looked god-awful. CBC had Jack Eichel mic'd up - that dude was hilarious.
Announcer: "Jack, what's your strategy"
Eichel: "Just not be on for the game-winning goal against"
<next shift... Jack is on when the Metro scores>
Eichel: "There's a minus".
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Jake Muzzin is a nice pickup for the Leafs. Signed through next year. Gave up a first rounder and prospects. Chad, those kids any good?
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There had been some positive talk about Gunderson, but I'd never heard of the other kid. Bigger thing is if they decide to do anything with Gardiner or Hainsey. I'm not sure who would take/need either of them as rentals, or if the Leafs just do the obvious, and make Ozhiganov their 7th D and put him up in the press box.
I'm kinda jazzed abount getting him - who I would have preferred over Pieterangelo. Though, the Leafs are in need of a RH defence, not another lefty. Zaitsev is their only RH shooter on the blue line.
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I'm not a huge Pietrangelo guy on his own, but I think he'd be a great fit for the Leafs.
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I have not been interested by the NHL all stars game for over 25 years. It's a show for kids. Just got to open the tv as McDavid was up to skate his fastest lap and it was all I needed. Honestly, I can't argue with the players who do not go to the week-end. There is no interest of watching a big farce of a hockey game like that.
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I must say that there is no bigger melodramatic big time flopper than Ben Bishop.
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My word, the games coming out of the all-star break are sloppy as shit.
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The Ducks gotta fire Carlyle now. 2 wins in their last 17, and two massive losses in a row. Three games in a row that Gibson is a sieve and gets pulled.
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Yeah, their season has been an absolute f'n disaster.
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So after the Matthews signing, rumor is they want Marner’s contract to be single digit, 8 or 9 per year? That’s ridiculous. I only see stats, but isn’t Marner a better player? No way the Leafs are able to sign him, right jingle?
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This year, Marner's stats look better, but he's been A) healthy, and B) consistent. Matthews has had a couple of multi-game slumps, but is still their #1 guy - make no mistake about it. Marner is a 100% lock to remain a Leaf. The consensus is they'd LIKE to get him under $10M, but likely won't. They'll drop Johnson and/or Kapanen before bailing on Marner.
It's kinda like MacKinnon and Rantanen. Who'd you rather have? Rantanen is looking better on paper, but overall, MacKinnon is the better/more valuable player. Or draw the comparison to Sid/Geno. Pick any #1/#2 player combo. Such is the case for Matthews/Marner. As far as 21 year olds go, Matthews is the more valuable asset. Marner will get paid, don't worry. It's gonna be tight to get all the pieces they need under the cap, but it's doable.
Bet everything you own that Marner gets a deal from the Leafs before July 1, and stays a Leaf. The fear around here is that Marner *is* that type of player that can/would get offers from other teams, despite how much extra the price-tag is in compensation to the Leafs.
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Dubas seems to be able to make magic happen, so I think you're right.
However, apparently Marner's agent is negotiating through the press right now:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/mitch-marners-agent-leafs-trying-lowball/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/mitch-marners-agent-leafs-trying-lowball/)
“So far they’ve been trying to lowball (Marner),” agent Darren Ferris told the Toronto Star‘s Dave Feschuk Tuesday. “That’s the reason we’ve come to this point.”
“Nobody else is taking a discount. And now you’re asking (Marner) to take one again? It’s nonsense,” Ferris told the Star. “Mitch already did them a favour on the entry-level deal.”
I realize this probably amounts to nothing, but I think it's weird to do this through the press. Although this is Toronto, so I guess it's not surprising
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Well, that quote from Ferris sure makes him seem like a douche. I saw this quote on nhl.com this morning, regarding when/how Marner signs - virtually no chance it happens during the season. No biggie... it's just how some players/agents want to role.
"Our thought process has not changed on that," Ferris said in a phone interview Tuesday. "We want Mitch focusing on the season. We don't want any off-ice distractions."
Maple Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas said he remains confident that an agreement can be reached, even if talks are delayed until the spring.
"For us, if they want to talk, we're here," Dubas said. "But we're respecting their wishes. And I would expect everyone else would as well with how they handle Mitch. When they're ready to sit down, we'll talk.
"He's going to be a Toronto Maple Leaf for a long time regardless how we have to come to that. It's no issue at all."
Dubas was certainly trying to plant the seeds that Matthews is more valuable than Marner ... repeated comments of his AAV being what it is because he's a 'goal-scorer', and a 'center'. Marner is neither of those. And in reality, goal-scoring centers are more valuable / rare than play-making wingers. When you look at their total body of work over 2.5 seasons, Matthews has the better stat-sheet on a per game basis (since he's played 30 less games than Marner due to injury).
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Bet everything you own that Marner gets a deal from the Leafs before July 1, and stays a Leaf. The fear around here is that Marner *is* that type of player that can/would get offers from other teams, despite how much extra the price-tag is in compensation to the Leafs.
That won't happen.
I will guarantee that if the Leafs go $10+mil for Marner, they will never win a Cup. They'll be the Blackhawks but without the Championships.
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So after the Matthews signing, …...
So I guess I was out of the loop on this yesterday. This was a done deal?
Yikes! That is a huge f'n contract. That's an over pay, as it was for Nylander. Who's doing their contracts? Peter Chiarelli? No wonder Marner's agent is acting the way he is. He's probably thinking that he's willing to accept that he (Marner) is a $1M a year less player than Matthews, but no way is he a $2M a year player less.
I like Marner. Love him, actually, but he is way overvaluing himself. But hey, if the Leafs are handing these contracts out like candy, why not go for it?
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Gritty like young Hart and the streaking Flyers
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That kid has been fantastic!
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You may be right Tim, but it's the new way of handing out contracts - pay for future performance, not past. Lucic was also a disaster of a contract (speaking of Chiarelli), but that was paying based on past performance. Look at all the young RFA's that are killing it - Point, Rantanen others... They'll all get high single-digit AAVs. Teams aren't waiting for the timeframe where they have to pay out once these players are in their UFA years. The tide is changing.
And given a new CBA is coming, it's a reasonable expectation that the cap could get up towards the $100M mark in the coming years - so betting on these Tier 1 players to continue their performance and locking them down now is likely to be the rule, not the exception.
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but it's the new way of handing out contracts - pay for future performance, not past.
Oh, I know that. I don't mind it really. Pay your best players in their prime. No issue with that.
Dumb question, and I should know this, but what does classifying $50+M as a "Signing Bonus" mean? How does that benefit the team?
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I'm not totally sure, but I suspect that actual cash flow vs AAV plays a part.
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The other night, Tuukka Rask became the Bruins ALL TIME winningest goalie. Think about that.
Thanks Toronto! ;D
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The other night, Tuukka Rask became the Bruins ALL TIME winningest goalie. Think about that.
Thanks Toronto! ;D
You're welcome! And I just heard the other night that (didn't know this), the Leafs are still carrying $1.3M of Kessel's cap hit :zeltar:
And Ovi passed Federov last night as well.
Further clarity on yesterday's comments from Marner's agent:
According to The Toronto Star's Dave Feschuk, comments made by Mitch Marner's agent Darren Ferris regarding the Maple Leaf winger’s contract negotiations in his column from Tuesday were intended to refer to events from the summer.
“So far they’ve been trying to lowball (Marner),” Ferris told Feschuk in the Star column, published hours after Matthews signed a five-year contract extension with the Toronto Maple Leafs. “That’s the reason we’ve come to this point.”
Ferris clarified those comments on TSN Radio 1050 on Wednesday morning, explaining that the quotes were "taken out of context from the summer."
"Unfortunate that the article had to come out yesterday,” he added.
Ferris reiterated that Marner still plans to wait until after the season to work on an extension, but the two sides made progress on a deal before the season started and that there is no animosity between the two side in neogitations. “We’re not far off. We last ended on a positive note," he told TSN Radio 1050 Toronto.
Feschuk then tweeted after the TSN 1050 interview that the quotes were from Tuesday and that he just spoke to Ferris, who acknowledged he meant to say they 'referred to' events from the summer.
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Signing bonuses as opposed to salary is strictly cash flow for the owner. They changed the cap hit rules in the last CBA to eliminate cap circumventing by front loading a contract, so now it's average annual cap hit regardless of salary. Basically, it creates a competitive advantage for teams with exceptionally wealthy ownership since they can entice players with massive cash up front.
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Most importantly signing bonuses payout even if there is a lockout.
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Most importantly signing bonuses payout even if there is a lockout.
That, i did not know. I imagine that was a big factor in the negotiations between the Leafs and Matthews' agent since all signs are pointing to another lockout in 2020
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Most importantly signing bonuses payout even if there is a lockout.
That, i did not know. I imagine that was a big factor in the negotiations between the Leafs and Matthews' agent since all signs are pointing to another lockout in 2020
I don't see that happening. Both the league/owners and players are getting paid. Would not be a good idea for either of them to have a work stoppage. Back in 2004, salaries were spiralling out of control. Things have been comfortably stable for 15 years now, I can't see either playing too much hard-ball.
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Most importantly signing bonuses payout even if there is a lockout.
That, i did not know. I imagine that was a big factor in the negotiations between the Leafs and Matthews' agent since all signs are pointing to another lockout in 2020
I don't see that happening. Both the league/owners and players are getting paid. Would not be a good idea for either of them to have a work stoppage. Back in 2004, salaries were spiralling out of control. Things have been comfortably stable for 15 years now, I can't see either playing too much hard-ball.
I'd say there's already some punches being thrown with the league canceling the world cup next year. And I'm pretty sure salaries are at an all time high (although so is revenue). The cap has nearly doubled since the 04-05 lockout, and, once again, the Canadian dollar is nowhere near the US dollar making it more difficult for the Canadian markets. Call me pessimistic, but these are the exact same conditions that led to a lost season in 05.
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And yet 5 of 7 Canadian teams are in line for the the playoffs; 2 are leading their division, and 3 of the top 4 in the league overall.
I don't see any stoppage in the horizon. The cap increases a direct result of higher revenues. That was NOT the case in '04.
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The Blues have been on a roll and are now in the last playoff spot in the West, with games in hand on every team in the West still. Just setting us up for the big letdown! :facepalm: :lol
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The Blues have been on a roll and are now in the last playoff spot in the West, with games in hand on every team in the West still. Just setting us up for the big letdown! :facepalm: :lol
:metal They’re playing well. Have been since mid December. I’ll take getting hot and closing the season well over last year when we started off on fire but then fizzled out.
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Yeah, what a difference a month makes for the Western Conference! The Ducks and Avalanche are crumbling at an astonishing rate, the Wild no longer appear inevitable, and the two Central Division teams that spent the first half of the season in the basement of the standings--the Blues and Blackhawks--are now on fire. There are so many teams separated by only a few points and so it will be really exciting to see who eventually gets those wildcard spots. Up until a couple weeks ago, it had been such a dismal season for Blues fans and so it feels great to celebrate again, largely thanks to a rookie goalie determined to make a good first impression.
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Yeah, the west has been all over the map with ups and downs. And despite the Flyers' loss the other night, they're the hottest team in the league right now - though still a long way from a playoff spot.
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Up until a couple weeks ago, it had been such a dismal season for Blues fans and so it feels great to celebrate again, largely thanks to a rookie goalie determined to make a good first impression.
their team game has been on point the last 15-20 games or so. Even the games they've lost aren't in the fashion that they were losing at the beginning of the season. They're still competitive losses and losses where they were playing well....just....someone has to lose.
That shut out against Tampa Bay last night was a great statement game for that team. When you look at it....we've beat Tampa, Nashville, the Jets...Toronto at their home arenas this year. The blues have played well against the 'top' teams this season. But, especially early on....they played 'down' to the teams you just couldn't afford to lose to. that has begun to change a bit.
Like I said....last season the Blues started off on fire....something like 17-5 or along those lines to start the season....then they just fell off the map in January. The hardships that 'we' had to endure at the beginning of the season will be well worth it if they stay hot and keep this great play going for the rest of the season. I'll take that reversal of seasons so to speak.
but...as we've seen....anything can happen and this is the Blues after all...... :lol
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Anyone wonder if Tavares is thinking "well fuck me". :lol Imagine if for some reason the Leafs end up 4th in the Atlantic, and play NYI in the first round.
Pretty soon, it's gonna be predictions time. The West is bunched up as fuck. I mean shit... even LA is a 4-5 game win streak from being in contention. East, playoff teams are already separating from the pack. Carolina and Buffalo are hanging on, but even being 8-1-1 in their last 10, Philly is still 8 points from a Wildcard spot.
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The #2 wild card in the west and the last place team in the west (the Kings :tdwn) are separated by only five points. I didn't see how many games played each team has, but the next couple months are going to be crazy! Hopefully the Kings continue playing strong on their Grammy road trip.
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Blues shut out Tampa Bay at home....then beat Nashville in back to back home and home games. They’re 12-4–1 in the last 17. Heating up!
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Tarasenko with a hattie too!
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Blues shut out Tampa Bay at home....then beat Nashville in back to back home and home games. They’re 12-4–1 in the last 17. Heating up!
For sure, but it is hard to let go of that nagging feeling that we Blues fans are still Charlie Brown, and the Blues will continue to play the role of Lucy with the football.
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Tarasenko with a hattie too!
I play hockey with a guy who's kids go to the same private school as Tarasenko's. He said a while back.....when the Blues were still just a mess and Tarasenko's name was being mentioned as 'tradeable'......that one day when Tarasenko's wife was dropping their kids off she was a wreck. Just crying and upset and she spoke with this guys wife and was upset because she loves St. Louis....loves the schools....etc etc and was scare he was going to get traded.
It wasn't but a game or two later when the team started playing better and Tarasenko caught fire. He has (11) goals in his last (16) games....been playing the best two way game I've seen him play as a Blue.
I think a wife's "motivation" may go ten times further than any coach or ownership group :lol
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Blues shut out Tampa Bay at home....then beat Nashville in back to back home and home games. They’re 12-4–1 in the last 17. Heating up!
For sure, but it is hard to let go of that nagging feeling that we Blues fans are still Charlie Brown, and the Blues will continue to play the role of Lucy with the football.
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Yeah....very true. But I'll keep running up to kick that freaking ball every time :lol
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Damn... that kid in net last night for NYR STOLE the game. 56 shots against by the Leafs, including a lot of very good PP looks. Man it's frustrating to routinely see the Leafs either mail it in against lesser teams, or run into them on a night when they are punching WAY above their weight class. Now they're off on a 4-game western swing. Last time they played the Avalanche in the middle of a 6-came losing streak, the Leafs were just the cure that ailed them. I'm hoping the Leafs can come back with 5 or 6 points from this stretch.
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W8 for the Blues. How did this team play so shit for so long? Is it really all on Allen? I mean, Binnington is 11-1-1.
Tampa looks un-fucking-stoppable. They absolutely embarrass teams.
Jets in a bit of a slump.
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W8 for the Blues. How did this team play so shit for so long? Is it really all on Allen? I mean, Binnington is 11-1-1.
Team plays completely different in front of any goalie not named Jake Allen. They played better in front of Brian Elliot, player better in front of Carter Hutton....now Binnington came in and lit a spark.
They can say all the right things about ‘liking’ Jake Allen and he’s still the goalie or whatever.....but actions speak louder than words. It’s clear as day that they play different....more reserved....when Allen is in net because they have no confidence that he can make the saves he’s ‘supposed’ to.
Also, Tarasenko is playing some of the best hockey I’ve seen him play as a Blue. His two way play has been incredible. His confidence is off the charts right now and it’s rubbed off on the entire team.
It’s fun to watch right now. Trying to temper my excitement though. It’s still the Blues.
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I'm glad Tarasenko came around - I'm one of the few people that have him in my pool. Though, I'm in 9th place, but still 100 points behind the leader. Shane Gosthe-howeverthefuckyouspellhisname is killing me. What a disappointment he's been after a 65 point campaign last year.
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So watching the Bruins game tonight and between periods...
...Chad, you may like this...
They showed Mitch Marner taking a Valentine's picture with a young girl in the front row. That's awesome.
I don't think he's a $10M player, but I do love Marner.
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Yeah, saw that on NHL.com this morning. The look of pure joy and thrill in her face was truly priceless.
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The Oil relieve Talbot's salary. Hopefully he can do good for the Flyers. I'm sure he's thrilled to get out of the Edmonton shit-show.
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The Oil relieve Talbot's salary. Hopefully he can do good for the Flyers. I'm sure he's thrilled to get out of the Edmonton shit-show.
Yeah, he was definitely needing out after the Koskinen signing. It's really frustrating to see that your team's management group is likely the least competent management team the league has seen in a decade. They also re-aquired Sam Gagner today, and he may even be in the lineup tonight. He's probably still a serviceable player at a $4M cap hit, but it feels like the same old not-so-merry-go-round.
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That’s (9) in a row for the Blues. Just blanked the Avalanche @ Colorado 3-0. Tarasenko with anothe goal and a 11 game point streak.
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That’s (9) in a row for the Blues. Just blanked the Avalanche @ Colorado 3-0. Tarasenko with anothe goal and a 11 game point streak.
Tuesday is gonna be fun! Guess I'll have to watch it live so we can chat back and forth.
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That’s (9) in a row for the Blues. Just blanked the Avalanche @ Colorado 3-0. Tarasenko with anothe goal and a 11 game point streak.
Tuesday is gonna be fun! Guess I'll have to watch it live so we can chat back and forth.
Bruins in St. Louis next week too.
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That’s (9) in a row for the Blues. Just blanked the Avalanche @ Colorado 3-0. Tarasenko with anothe goal and a 11 game point streak.
Tuesday is gonna be fun! Guess I'll have to watch it live so we can chat back and forth.
For sure. From this point forward as long as the Blues just don’t give games away and are competitive in their losses I’ll be happy.
Boston will be a fun one also.
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Speaking of giving away games... It's more than a little maddening to routinely see the Leafs play 'down' to their competition. 2 losses to the Coyotes this year, can't put more than 15 shots on goal thru 50 minutes of play; get shutout by the team with the fewest home points in the NHL. Now they're a point behind Boston... the only good thing is that Boston has a brutal 5-game stretch... Sharks (twice), Knights, Blues, and Bolts.
:zeltar:
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Gonna be a sad week for us Senators fans. I have a feeling Stone will be traded, and Duchene definitely is getting traded. Melnyk is such a horrendous owner.
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Speaking of giving away games... It's more than a little maddening to routinely see the Leafs play 'down' to their competition. 2 losses to the Coyotes this year, can't put more than 15 shots on goal thru 50 minutes of play; get shutout by the team with the fewest home points in the NHL. Now they're a point behind Boston... the only good thing is that Boston has a brutal 5-game stretch... Sharks (twice), Knights, Blues, and Bolts.
:zeltar:
Leafs have a game in hand too.
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Yeah well... if you don't win those games, doesn't matter who's hand they're in. Last 15 games.... 8-6-1, with 6 of those losses at the hands of the Coyotes (2x), Rangers, Red Wings, Panthers, and Avs. The only respectable loss was to the Bruins 5 weeks back. I mean, they should've converted at least 1/2 of those games.
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Yeah well... if you don't win those games, doesn't matter who's hand they're in. Last 15 games.... 8-6-1, with 6 of those losses at the hands of the Coyotes (2x), Rangers, Red Wings, Panthers, and Avs. The only respectable loss was to the Bruins 5 weeks back. I mean, they should've converted at least 1/2 of those games.
Describes the Celtics season.
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Make that 10 in a row for the Blues. Just blanked Minnesota in Minnesota 4-0. Ties franchise record for win streak.
Should be a fun one Tuesday Chad :tup
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Make that 10 in a row for the Blues. Just blanked Minnesota in Minnesota 4-0. Ties franchise record for win streak.
Should be a fun one Tuesday Chad :tup
If the Leafs keep up their MO by playing to the level of their competition, it should be.
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Make that 10 in a row for the Blues. Just blanked Minnesota in Minnesota 4-0. Ties franchise record for win streak.
Should be a fun one Tuesday Chad :tup
And 3rd shutout in a row! Amazing.
The ride won't last forever, so I am just going to keep enjoying this while it lasts. :coolio :hat
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I'm hoping the bubble will burst on Tuesday. :biggrin:
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I'm hoping the bubble will burst on Tuesday. :biggrin:
It’ll be a good one for sure. I know the Blues will be motivated to set the consecutive wins record and not settle for being tied.
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Devils season is and has been shot, but at least Corey Schneider is looking like an NHL goalie again and hopefully finally getting back to form after his hip surgery. Did at least enjoy the video they put together for 90s Night tonight
https://twitter.com/NJDevils/status/1097911193338040321
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Good guys 1, Chad's Team 0.
:P :biggrin:
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Pretty heavy, physical game going on also. Been a few nice hits.
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2-0!!
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2-0!!
You were saying??
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2-0!!
You were saying??
Had the feeling it’d be a couple slop goals.....thems the breaks. It’s the intermission reports fault anyway. I think it was about 48 mentions of the the Blues shut out streak and running banner of the shut out streak stats that did them in. :lol
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Make that 11 in a row :metal Beat Toronto at home in OT 3-2. Heck of a game....pretty physical.....
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2-0!!
You were saying??
Hehe. Nice comeback by the Leafs.
But I'll take the OT win.
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And I'll take 1 point. O'Reilley saves a tap in goal, then a perfect shot to win. 3-2-1 on that 6 game roadshow. One loss was weak (AZ), and one was stolen by a hot goalie (NYR).
Do me a favour though ... lay a beating on Boston, will ya?
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I'll talk to my people and see what we can do.
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Bruins have Vegas tonight first!
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B's are on a roll but they were handed a gift this weekend with that overtime goal.
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B's are on a roll but they were handed a gift this weekend with that overtime goal.
Sure, but to me, it was a makeup for the blown goal earlier in the game.
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Isn't it amazing how bad the officials have been? Even with all this replay they can't get it right.
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I truly believe it was a makeup call.
I just hate the ticky tack hooking, slashing, and holding calls that are being made.
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And the inconsistencies in how they call them.
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I just hate the ticky tack hooking, slashing, and holding calls that are being made.
This.....and this:
And the inconsistencies in how they call them.
It's one thing to call the dinky little hook or slash.....it's another to call those then 'miss' the totally obvious ones.
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So, word is Duchene is scratched until Monday. Hint hint... until the trade deadline (or until traded).
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Makes sense for Duchene to sit. No way would he want to sign a contract in Ottawa when he could probably sign just about anywhere. The Sens are almost the same size dumpster fire as are the Oilers, so I'm hard pressed to think any high calibre free agent will want to sign there. At least we have McD here. Ottawa has shit for a roster and an owner fueding with the city and his partners. Definitely traded before the 25th
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Charlie Coyle to the Bruins.
This better not be the only move.
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Exactly.
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Charlie Coyle to the Bruins.
This better not be the only move.
Coyle has potential, but a change of scenery will probably take him to the next level. It happened to Nino Neiderreiter when he left a few months ago. Minnesota has just been hilarious to watch these past few weeks. They've been getting booed off the ice for the past few home games, every period. When they ask the players about it, they actually get mad at the fans. I think it was Jason Zucker that said that he felt it was unnecessary and definitely isn't helping them. There's a disconnect with them, so Coyle will probably elevate his game to the next level with a positive environment.
As for Duchene, as long as the Sens can find a way to sign Mark Stone, I'll have some faith in the direction the team is going, because there are a lot of exciting prospects in Belleville. Batherson, Rodewald, Formenton, Wolanin, etc. all of those guys. I just have no faith in Melnyk to open up his empty wallet. Until he sells the team, which he won't, I don't have much faith. The game Duchene and Boucher are playing with the media are hilarious to me. Duchene says he's playing and Boucher says he's heard nothing of a trade or sitting him. Yeah, that's why he practiced on the fourth line today....
Does it make me a bad person wishing that whoever gave Melnyk a new liver when he was dying a few years ago never did? Because Melnyk is slowly killing this team.
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I'm shocked to see DeBrusk with 19 goals. He's been hot lately but this season he's been quiet.
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I'm not. He scored 16 last year as a rookie.
He is a draft hit. Of course they gagged away their other two first round picks that year.
They did manage to pick up Brandon Carlo in the second round that year though.
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This season has been not consistent for him. Last year his goals were big. This year was quiet. That's a good thing.
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I think he's a bit streaky. But he's always getting his nose dirty around the net.
He's a solid player.
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More than solid. It put with a quality line the skies the limit. Boy the B's have been searching for a 3rd line for a while now.
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I love the kid's attitude.
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It's a beautiful day when the Maple Leafs win. It's even more beautiful when they beat the Canadiens. And it's downright amazing when the Maple Leafs score six consecutive goals, beating the Canadiens 6-3 :)
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I would pull for the Leafs to beat the Habs every time.
I'm a B's fan. :lol
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It's a beautiful day when the Maple Leafs win. It's even more beautiful when they beat the Canadiens. And it's downright amazing when the Maple Leafs score six consecutive goals, beating the Canadiens 6-3 :)
And top it off with a loss (albeit shootout) by the Bruins! :fistpump:
Damn fine game tonight. Leafs had a great first 5 minutes, but overall put out a weak effort in the 1st. Amazing comeback... it certainly wasn't as much of a one-sided victory as 6-3 suggests. The go-ahead goal with under 2 minutes to go, followed up by 2 ENs.
Definitely glad to be on the good side of that 4-point swing.
Wonder how the Columbus Senators will fare in the homestretch? That's 4 big named UFAs they've got now. My bet is that none of them are Blue Jackets next year.
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Do me a favour though ... lay a beating on Boston, will ya?
We did allow them to take it OT, so they got a point, but we got the win. :biggrin:
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And top it off with a loss (albeit shootout) by the Bruins! :fistpump:
Considering that was the last game of a 5 game 8 day road trip, I'll take the point in St. Louis for sure. The B's went 4-0-1 on the trip taking 9 of 10 points. Plus, they negated the Leaf's game in hand in the process.
Bruins next 6 games are at home. Hopefully they can hold serve.
They have the Sharks and Lightning next, but then it's the Devils, Canes, Panthers, and Sens.
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And top it off with a loss (albeit shootout) by the Bruins! :fistpump:
Considering that was the last game of a 5 game 8 day road trip, I'll take the point in St. Louis for sure. The B's went 4-0-1 on the trip taking 9 of 10 points. Plus, they negated the Leaf's game in hand in the process.
Bruins next 6 games are at home. Hopefully they can hold serve.
They have the Sharks and Lightning next, but then it's the Devils, Canes, Panthers, and Sens.
I hear ya. The Leafs went 3-2-1 on a similar road trip. I'm hoping the Panthers can play you guys as tough as they played the Leafs earlier this year. Sens... they're barely a AAA team.
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The B's went 4-0-1 on the trip taking 9 of 10 points.
Can't ask for much more than that.
Either team could have outright won that game in regulation yesterday were it not for Rask and Binnington. I know David Backes is going to have nightmares about Binnington :lol The kid literally took (2) goals away from him in the game and then stopped his Shoot out attempt.
Rask made a handful of saves that were 'sure' goals....then looked amazing in the shoot out as well.
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David Backes
Still handsome, eh?
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The B's went 4-0-1 on the trip taking 9 of 10 points.
Can't ask for much more than that.
Yes, *I* could've!
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The B's went 4-0-1 on the trip taking 9 of 10 points.
Can't ask for much more than that.
Yes, *I* could've!
Blame Pat Maroon and Ivan Barbachev. They both had wide open nets to shoot at and shanked the shots.
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The B's went 4-0-1 on the trip taking 9 of 10 points.
Can't ask for much more than that.
Yes, *I* could've!
We are in for one hell of a race.
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Blame Pat Maroon and Ivan Barbachev. They both had wide open nets to shoot at and shanked the shots.
Considering a portion of the Blues squad had the flu, I will take the W. :)
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Blame Pat Maroon and Ivan Barbachev. They both had wide open nets to shoot at and shanked the shots.
Considering a portion of the Blues squad had the flu, I will take the W. :)
Oh for sure.
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The B's went 4-0-1 on the trip taking 9 of 10 points.
Can't ask for much more than that.
Yes, *I* could've!
We are in for one hell of a race.
I still don't think this is the year for the Leafs to get over the 1st round hump. Still too much inconsistency, and they need to gel better. As much as I'd hate to give up either Kapanen or Johnson (both are gonna be 20 goal scorers this year), they are flush with talent, but it's not the right talent. They need more balance... they're missing a few hard checking forwards, and gritty defencemen. Muzzin was a good pickup, but between 'top 4' d-men, they're all too soft.
Maybe their pure talent will kick in come April, and they'll make a playoff run, but the team still has holes to fill ... and not a lot of dollars to do it.
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Yeah, balance is so important in playoff hockey.
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Born and raised in Tampa. Have a really bad feeling that my Bolts are gonna get beat in the first or second round of the playoffs, wasting what has been the best regular season from them I've ever seen. Hope I'm wrong.
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Born and raised in Tampa. Have a really bad feeling that my Bolts are gonna get beat in the first or second round of the playoffs, wasting what has been the best regular season from them I've ever seen. Hope I'm wrong.
Here's the thing... no one is unbeatable. I'll never forget Boston-Buffalo in '93... Boston was 18-3 heading into the playoffs, and finished 23 points ahead of the Sabres. Result ... 4-0 sweep by Buffalo.
Also, EVERY one of the top teams has had some kind of slump this season - whether a 5+ game losing streak, or a long period of .500-ish hockey. Not Tampa though. It'd be a shame if that happened in April. :biggrin:
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Poor Dallas. They get 2 periods out of Zuccarello. Out for 4 weeks.
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I’m heartbroken over the Zuccarello trade. He was far and away my favorite player, and he will be sorely missed by Rangers fans.
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I’m heartbroken over the Zuccarello trade. He was far and away my favorite player, and he will be sorely missed by Rangers fans.
Well, if it makes you feel any better, he's going to be sorely missing by Stars fans, along with a couple of draft picks. :lol
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Breaking news: Kings still suck. I'm damn glad I haven't paid as much attention to this season as I usually do. I'm honestly not sure what the best thing is for the last 21 games. Some small improvement from the kids? Maybe some confidence building wins? Complete tank job to get worst record (I'm not sufficiently learned about the draft lottery to know if there's a big advantage to being worst compared to second worst)? It'll be interesting following the trade tracker today. Trades that used to seem impossible probably wouldn't be unwelcome if they bring the right return.
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Last years' pre-draft odds for the #1 pick looked like this for the worst 5:
Buffalo Sabres 18.5%
Ottawa Senators 13.5%
Arizona Coyotes 11.5%
Montreal Canadiens 9.5%
Detroit Red Wings 8.5%
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Last years' pre-draft odds for the #1 pick looked like this for the worst 5:
Buffalo Sabres 18.5%
Ottawa Senators 13.5%
Arizona Coyotes 11.5%
Montreal Canadiens 9.5%
Detroit Red Wings 8.5%
Just saw the chart on Wikipedia. Also saw that the Kings have their own first round pick and Toronto's pick (which presumably will be somewhere the bottom half of the round), as well as the Caps' pick in the third round and the Flames' pick in the fourth round. My guess is that any trades that happen today will be primarily for picks to stockpile young talent.
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Today is the day. But before we get to that, what a huge win for the Flyers Saturday night. They probably won't make the playoffs but FINALLY getting that outdoor prime-time win, and against the Penguins, and with that huge finish feels really good.
Simmonds can and should be traded. He's loved here, but he's not and shouldn't be in the long term plans moving forward, best to get whatever we can for him. And with Talbot here now I really can see no reason to keep Elliot as long as there is ANY return for him. And given top flight play returning from injury there should be plenty of teams willing to take him as a backup down the stretch.
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Stone to Vegas:
https://www.tsn.ca/golden-knights-acquire-stone-from-sens-for-brannstrom-1.1263648
Looks like Ottawa did alright on the return.
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Simmonds to Nashville. That was where I'd hope he'd land, but still...sigh...
We'll see what comes back.
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Simmonds to Nashville. That was where I'd hope he'd land, but still...sigh...
We'll see what comes back.
Simmonds is one of the only guys that the Kings traded away in the process of building the Stanley Cup championship teams that I really hated to lose. I'm happy for the success he's had since leaving LA and wish him continued personal success.
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Simmonds to Nashville. That was where I'd hope he'd land, but still...sigh...
We'll see what comes back.
Simmonds is one of the only guys that the Kings traded away in the process of building the Stanley Cup championship teams that I really hated to lose. I'm happy for the success he's had since leaving LA and wish him continued personal success.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't think the Flyers would get their reported asking price for him, but I am certainly underwhelmed the return we did get. Hopefully the guy coming over from Nashville finds a new spark here.
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Hayes to Winnipeg helps them stave off the moves by VGK and Nashville. That #1 seed is gonna be important in the Central. I'd hate to be going up against the Blues in the 1st round.
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Despite fending of a hungry Sabres team, I still don't think this is the Leafs club that will go too far. And having 3 players >$9m AAV on the roster (all at Forward + Nylander at $7M) is gonna put some stress on being able to adequately round out the roster until after next year when they free up the $6.25 Marleau is taking at the moment (plus potentially another cap increase). They've got some good talent at D in the minors, but they still need a bit of time to develop. I think it's gonna be another 2-3 years before they're really ready - at which point, goaltending might be the issue, since Andersen is a UFA in 2021.
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And just like that, the Kings play the best team in the league even through overtime. Any given team on any given day, I guess....
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Blues beat the Predators again. :coolio :hat
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Blues beat the Predators again. :coolio :hat
No...no....that wasn't a Victory. That was utter domination. The Preds couldn't breathe in that game without getting a solid whiff of two or three Blues stealing their air. If not for Sarros making 43 of 45 saves....it's 6 or 7-0 rather than the 2-0 it was.
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B's are up 1-0 so far outshooting the Lightning 32-9. Holy crap!
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B's are up 1-0 so far outshooting the Lightning 32-9. Holy crap!
No kidding. Ron Tugnutt in goal for the Lightning.
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And the Leafs are mailing it in. Though, down two starting d-men, Sparks hasn't played in a while, and back-to-back on a travel day. Isles fans are classy though. And by classy, I mean butt-hurt.
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Holy shit B's! Taking it to the Lightning!!! :metal
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That's fine... you boys go ahead and 'peak' in February/March.
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I think you know when I say this,
This team feels like they all have each other's back, win 1-0, 6-5, 3-2.
They win different ways and you can tell when team play is elevating.
This is a good feeling that only injuries might derail.
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If anyone wants proof that Brad Marchand is pure evil...
He went into last night with 666 PIMs. Last night was his 666th game.
Who did the Bruins play last night??
The Devils!!😈
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If anyone wants proof that Brad Marchand is pure evil...
He went into last night with 666 PIMs. Last night was his 666th game.
Who did the Bruins play last night??
The Devils!!😈
And he plays for Boston...;)
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(https://media.giphy.com/media/10Jpr9KSaXLchW/giphy-downsized-large.gif)
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He's our devil.
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It's kind of insane that the Hurricanes are doing so well, and might make the playoffs. We don't draw very well in the regular season, but our playoff crowds are legendary. If we make it, my wallet will be very light come April. :lol
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You got a solid team there. Aho has really had a great breakout year. Good timing being an RFA too!
Solid - SOLID - performance by the Leafs last night. Calgary isn't gonna go far with that kind of goaltending. Freddie made a handful of 10-bell saves too. The better lay a whooping on Vancouver tomorrow.
Go Hurricaines (tonight at least)
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It's kind of insane that the Hurricanes are doing so well, and might make the playoffs. We don't draw very well in the regular season, but our playoff crowds are legendary. If we make it, my wallet will be very light come April. :lol
Should be a good game tonight. Whalers uni's.
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It's kind of insane that the Hurricanes are doing so well, and might make the playoffs. We don't draw very well in the regular season, but our playoff crowds are legendary. If we make it, my wallet will be very light come April. :lol
Should be a good game tonight. Whalers uni's.
Really!? Awesome, I'm tuning in for that then.
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Damn, I wish I would have stayed up for those amazing 12 seconds last night.
Note: this was not me quoting TAC's wife. :P
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Damn, I wish I would have stayed up for those amazing 12 seconds last night.
Note: this was not me quoting TAC's wife. :P
:lol
It’s not necessary she’s awake for it anyway.
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Damn, I wish I would have stayed up for those amazing 12 seconds last night
I did. Made it worth it. Otherwise I was close to being highly irate.
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Like me??
First end-of-2 lead the Leafs have blown all season. To Vancouver. VAN-FUCKING-COUVER!!
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Damn, I wish I would have stayed up for those amazing 12 seconds last night
I did. Made it worth it. Otherwise I was close to being highly irate.
Haha, I made it till early in the 2nd and then I was out. I will save being exhausted from staying up watching hockey for April and May. :hat
Damn, I wish I would have stayed up for those amazing 12 seconds last night.
Note: this was not me quoting TAC's wife. :P
:lol
It’s not necessary she’s awake for it anyway.
:metal
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THE B'S ARE UNSTOPPABLE!!
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Especially impressive with Pasta on the DL.
Are you fucking kidding me?!?!?! With 7 seconds left!
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Especially impressive with Pasta on the DL.
10-0-1 without him!
Goals per game is up!
Jake Debrusk out tonight. Damn.
Oh, and...
Patrice. Fucking. Bergeron!!!
Holy shit.
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Every time I turn to a game things like this happen. So far this season, even with all the injuries has been very satisfying.
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Every time I turn to a game things like this happen. So far this season, even with all the injuries has been very satisfying.
I can only hope that the post season is less than satisfying!
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I can only hope that the post season is less than satisfying!
Count on it, bro!
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Regular reminder that the Kings are still pretty much garbage at everything right now. How they and the Blackhawks (although points-wise, Blackhawks is doing better than the Kings, but standings-wise they are still last in the Central) have pretty much self-destructed in the last few seasons, compared to 4-6 years ago, is beyond me. Have those big contracts really hampered those teams as a whole?
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Every time I turn to a game things like this happen. So far this season, even with all the injuries has been very satisfying.
I can only hope that the post season is less than satisfying!
I always set my expectation on how a team is playing going into the playoffs. Still a month away from that.
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Regular reminder that the Kings are still pretty much garbage at everything right now. How they and the Blackhawks (although points-wise, Blackhawks is doing better than the Kings, but standings-wise they are still last in the Central) have pretty much self-destructed in the last few seasons, compared to 4-6 years ago, is beyond me. Have those big contracts really hampered those teams as a whole?
I know. And as a fan of a team who’s Stanley Cup ambitions were regularly ruined by those two teams it FREAKING AWESOME to watch. :lol
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Regular reminder that the Kings are still pretty much garbage at everything right now. How they and the Blackhawks (although points-wise, Blackhawks is doing better than the Kings, but standings-wise they are still last in the Central) have pretty much self-destructed in the last few seasons, compared to 4-6 years ago, is beyond me. Have those big contracts really hampered those teams as a whole?
I know. And as a fan of a team who’s Stanley Cup ambitions were regularly ruined by those two teams it FREAKING AWESOME to watch. :lol
Let's not forget the Red Wings, who suck swamp water now as well. I don't think I've ever hated a team as much as I hated the Red Wings for about a 10-year stretch (mid 90's - mid 00's).
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They were so damn good. I expected them to be in the conference finals every year.
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From 1997 to about 2001, the Red Wings game in Boston was my Christmas present from The Lovely Mrs. TAC.
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Regular reminder that the Kings are still pretty much garbage at everything right now. How they and the Blackhawks (although points-wise, Blackhawks is doing better than the Kings, but standings-wise they are still last in the Central) have pretty much self-destructed in the last few seasons, compared to 4-6 years ago, is beyond me. Have those big contracts really hampered those teams as a whole?
Leftovers from the two Kings' Stanley Cup winners:
Quick (33)
Brown (34)
Kopitar (31)
Carter (34)
Doughty (29)
Martinez (31)
Lewis (32)
Toffoli (26) (2014 only)
Clifford (28
Arguably, that's a pretty good core, but all but three are 31 or older, and pretty much all of them are having career bad years at the same time. There are only 3 guys who have played in more than 40 games and have a positive +/-, and the only guy who's playing above his career average is Kyle Clifford. Rob Blake needs to look at what Dean Lombardi did when the Kings were last at rock bottom in 2006. That we didn't see some bigger trades at the deadline makes me wonder what Blake's plan is.
I don't think I've ever hated a team as much as I hated the Red Wings for about a 10-year stretch (mid 90's - mid 00's).
Ditto -- especially after the Wings swept the Kings in the first round of the 2000 playoffs. The revenge series in 2001 was sweet!
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Alex Ovechkin now has 10 regular seasons with at least 45 goals scored, more than any other player in NHL history.
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Alex Ovechkin now has 10 regular seasons with at least 45 goals scored, more than any other player in NHL history.
Imagine where he would be with overall stats if he didn’t lose a season and a half to lockouts.
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Bruins streak coming to an end tonight.
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All right, the Kings may be dead last in the conference but if we're tanking and the only wins we've been getting in the last few weeks is against Blackhawks and Ducks (even if both teams do suck when it comes to points this season, as well), I'll take that as a moral victory. If only we can add the Sharks to that list as well.
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It's rather depressing to have 2 players in the top 5 scoring, but no playoffs for a 12th time in 13 seasons in Edmonton. I sure hope thet hire a competent GM this time around.
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It's rather depressing to have 2 players in the top 5 scoring, but no playoffs for a 12th time in 13 seasons in Edmonton. I sure hope thet hire a competent GM this time around.
It’s amazing.
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It's rather depressing to have 2 players in the top 5 scoring, but no playoffs for a 12th time in 13 seasons in Edmonton. I sure hope thet hire a competent GM this time around.
It’s amazing.
I suppose that's one way to put it lol.
I honestly can't remember the last time a non-playoff team had 2 top scorers.
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Regular reminder that the Kings are still pretty much garbage at everything right now. How they and the Blackhawks (although points-wise, Blackhawks is doing better than the Kings, but standings-wise they are still last in the Central) have pretty much self-destructed in the last few seasons, compared to 4-6 years ago, is beyond me. Have those big contracts really hampered those teams as a whole?
I know. And as a fan of a team who’s Stanley Cup ambitions were regularly ruined by those two teams it FREAKING AWESOME to watch. :lol
Let's not forget the Red Wings, who suck swamp water now as well. I don't think I've ever hated a team as much as I hated the Red Wings for about a 10-year stretch (mid 90's - mid 00's).
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Alex Ovechkin now has 10 regular seasons with at least 45 goals scored, more than any other player in NHL history.
Imagine where he would be with overall stats if he didn’t lose a season and a half to lockouts.
You could say that about all of the big stars who lost time due to those lockouts.
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:biggrin:
Beating the Blues on the way to winning the Stanley Cup was a spring time tradition in Detroit back then. I miss those days.
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Alex Ovechkin now has 10 regular seasons with at least 45 goals scored, more than any other player in NHL history.
Imagine where he would be with overall stats if he didn’t lose a season and a half to lockouts.
You could say that about all of the big stars who lost time due to those lockouts.
True, but Ovi has the stats on all of them as well. It’s truly awesome to be able to watch an all time great do his thing, and I believe that by the end of his career, Ovechkin will be considered a top ten, maybe even top five player of all time.
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Alex Ovechkin now has 10 regular seasons with at least 45 goals scored, more than any other player in NHL history.
Imagine where he would be with overall stats if he didn’t lose a season and a half to lockouts.
You could say that about all of the big stars who lost time due to those lockouts.
True, but Ovi has the stats on all of them as well. It’s truly awesome to be able to watch an all time great do his thing, and I believe that by the end of his career, Ovechkin will be considered a top ten, maybe even top five player of all time.
04/05 would have likely been Ovi's rookie year if that season hadn't been canceled. Given that this would have been the height of the clutch and grab era, I don't think Ovi would have put up 100 points and 50 plus goals. Maybe 70-75 points, with 35 or so goals? The half season in 2013 likely cost him another 20-25 goals, and he scored 32 that year in 48 games. So, you could say he lost about 60-65 goals thanks to the lock outs, which would put him over 700 goals by now. Pavel Dastyuk and Henrik Zetterberg, the Sedin twins, Joe Thornton, to name a few, probably would have 100-150 more career points if they had been able to play those seasons.
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04/05 would have likely been Ovi's rookie year if that season hadn't been canceled. Given that this would have been the height of the clutch and grab era, I don't think Ovi would have put up 100 points and 50 plus goals. Maybe 70-75 points, with 35 or so goals? The half season in 2013 likely cost him another 20-25 goals, and he scored 32 that year in 48 games. So, you could say he lost about 60-65 goals thanks to the lock outs, which would put him over 700 goals by now. Pavel Dastyuk and Henrik Zetterberg, the Sedin twins, Joe Thornton, to name a few, probably would have 100-150 more career points if they had been able to play those seasons.
Add Marty St. Louis to that list - considering he lead the league in points '04, and the lockout season.
Also, 3L streak for Boston, with a desperate CBJ team on Saturday, and Isles after that. :caffeine:
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Just like that the Blues are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Three game losing streak.....last two losses to Arizona and Ottowa were games they utterly dominated yet couldn't score an effing goal. Tarasenko has been out those three games as well which disrupted that top line that was getting 4 or 5 points a night. Blues are now tied with Dallas with same amount of games played yet Dallas has the tie breaker so Blues are top wild card.
Gonna be a dog fight til the end....and honestly, if Tarasenko can't make it back (he's supposed to be evaluated in another 5 days = 3 more games) then they're truly done. Word is that it's his elbow that he fell on oddly.
Just another fun season of being a Blues fan.
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To be fair, the Coyotes are on a hell of a streak - best in the NHL right now. They're playing with a mission, and just might sneak in - they're only 4 points behind Vegas, with 2 games in hand.
But yeah... 2-0 vs Ottawa is a big miss on the Blues part.
Leafs gotta bring a full 60-minute effort tonight, as the Flyers are also on their last legs of giving themselves a chance at a playoff spot.
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To be fair, the Coyotes are on a hell of a streak - best in the NHL right now.
While this may be true....the Blues pretty much dominated the game. Were it not for their goalie it 'could' have been 7-1, 5-0....one of those type games. Just couldn't score and then you know what happens....they get a goal on like 13 shots and end up winning.
Blues are hurting. We need Perron back....some type of offensive spark because no one is scoring. Wide open looks being shot into the chest of goalies....missing the net all the time....it's just ugly and it's snowballing.
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Love those St. Pat's uniforms.
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I loved the result of the game. The Leafs have been way to inconsistent WITHIN games this week. 1 horrible period against the Blackhawks cost them 2 points; same was almost the case last night. They better put a full 60 minutes in tonight. I know it's the Sens, but they always show up in the 'battle of Ontario'
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What in the fucking hell is going on with the Oilers? Losing to the Sens at home?
Has Hitchcock had any impact?
Schecter, man..I feel bad. How can they be this bad?
Oh, and if any of you get a chance to see the Noel Acciari fight against the Panthers Saturday night...Holy Mother of lefts!
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What in the fucking hell is going on with the Oilers? Losing to the Sens at home?
Has Hitchcock had any impact?
Schecter, man..I feel bad. How can they be this bad?
Oh, and if any of you get a chance to see the Noel Acciari fight against the Panthers Saturday night...Holy Mother of lefts!
Dumpster Fire. That's what's going on in edmonton. When the president is calling out fourth liners by name at season ticket holder events, you know that burning garbage smell is coming from our fancy new arena downtown.
As for Hitch, he had the usual impact he has with new teams: great in the beginning, but he eventually loses the room with his coaching style. The problem in edmonton is that he apparently lost the team immediately after starting out 9-2. There's rumors they're asking about Ken Holland's availability for the GM position. I would love to see some competent people in this organization.
Then again, maybe this season is all Tobby Reider's fault.
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Tim, a billion lefts. That was crazy!
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Edmonton is wasting away the benefits of McDavid and Draisatl. If they don't right the ship in the next year or two, why would either stay past the end of their contract? What a shit show.
Leafs are limping in to the playoffs, and I dread another Game 7 in beantown. I think it's another first round exit. Dubas needs to rebuild the defence (and try to find a way to unload Zaitsev's contract), and the young bucks need another year of developing their defensive fundamentals to be more consistent.
I'm gonna laugh my ass off at Torts if CBJ doesn't make the playoffs after going all-in at the trade deadline.
Both wildcard races look real interesting. Gonna be a fun couple of weeks.
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The Blues about gave me (and Gary too, I am sure :lol) a heart attack in that 3rd period last night, but held on for a thrilling win over the Lightning.
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The Blues about gave me (and Gary too, I am sure :lol) a heart attack in that 3rd period last night, but held on for a thrilling win over the Lightning.
Yeah. That was a fun one to watch. I felt vindicated when the Lightning PP goal was called back due toniffsides as the phantom penalty on Perron was a very weak and ‘fortunate’ call for the Lightning. Strong game by the Blues in the face of that caliber of opponent....who they’ve beaten twice now this year.
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Tomorrow night's Oil vs. Kings game is the last one of the season for which I drew tickets. It's so bad in Edmonton right now that I can't even sell them for $30 each (half of my cost...which is discounted to 65% of face value). The oiler's can boast about selling out every game, but that's only because 15,000 of the 18,500 seats are already sold before the season even starts. If they relied on walk up ticket sales you would think they were playing in Florida or Arizona it would be so empty in the arena.
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Watching Boston blow a 2-goal 3rd period lead was glorious.
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Watching Boston blow a 2-goal 3rd period lead was glorious.
I knew you'd love it. Hated that it happened but that's a good wake up call to them. 60 minutes to beat the best team you may play in the playoffs.
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I like the fact that the Blues just had a 4-0 home stand and just beat Tampa Bay and Vegas (who was 10-1-1 heading into the game) back to back. Team game is looking solid and they're playing pretty confident. It's all but a given they'll be playing Nashville in the first round. They're (2) pts behind them with a game at hand so really it's a matter of who is going to get the home ice.
4pts behind Winnipeg for first in the division so there's an outside chance they could catch them should the Jets drop a couple and the Blues manage to keep winning. Either way, coming from where they were on January 3rd to now....it's been pretty remarkable and fun to watch.
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Glad they finally pulled themselves together - and having Tarasenko in my pool has put me in the money. Top 5 (out of 141) get paid - I'm currently 4th, and 8 points back of 3rd.
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Glad they finally pulled themselves together - and having Tarasenko in my pool has put me in the money. Top 5 (out of 141) get paid - I'm currently 4th, and 8 points back of 3rd.
He's pretty motivated to hit that 30 goal mark.....he's at (29) right now. Given the fact that he only had something like 11 or 12 goals in the first 40 or so games and he just missed (5) games with an elbow injury it's crazy to think he may get to (30).
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The Kings have one 3 in a row. Armageddon is certainly upon us.
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Hard to believe this was 22 years ago already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7DlAjrhm9s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voy7FIMQj6o
That game was the catalyst for the Red Wings dynasty that won 3 Cups between 1997 and 2002. The rivalry faded, but man did it burn bright!
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Still the best rivalry I've seen in pro sports. Those two teams hated each other, and for good reason. Plenty of blame to go around on both sides for what made the hatred so strong.
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Hard to believe this was 22 years ago already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7DlAjrhm9s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voy7FIMQj6o
That game was the catalyst for the Red Wings dynasty that won 3 Cups between 1997 and 2002. The rivalry faded, but man did it burn bright!
That stuff was so good. Darren McCarty destroying the turtling Claude Lemieux while Patrick Roy comes flying down the ice, only to get clotheslined by Brendan Shanahan was one of the most epic things ever.
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Darren McCarty destroying the turtling Claude Lemieux while Patrick Roy comes flying down the ice, only to get clotheslined by Brendan Shanahan was one of the most epic things ever.
It was, but if we can be real, McCarty totally blindsided Lemieux, who was just skating by when McCarty turned and clocked him. Just about anyone would turtle if they had just been clocked in the face and then the offender tried to pound you some more and attempted to knee you in the head. At that point, your natural reaction is to protect yourself. Don't get me wrong, Lemieux was a POS, but so was McCarty.
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The 2002 Western Conference Finals between those two teams was probably my favorite of their match ups. The skill on display in that series was impressive, to say the least. I've been to games on both sides of that rivalry, and as a Red Wings fan, it was more fun to go to the games in Denver, as there was always a vocal contingent of Wings fans at those games. I went to a game during the 07/08 season where about 5,000 Wings fans drowned out about 13,000 Avs fans at the Pepsi Center. Wings hung on for a 3-2 victory.
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Darren McCarty destroying the turtling Claude Lemieux while Patrick Roy comes flying down the ice, only to get clotheslined by Brendan Shanahan was one of the most epic things ever.
It was, but if we can be real, McCarty totally blindsided Lemieux, who was just skating by when McCarty turned and clocked him. Just about anyone would turtle if they had just been clocked in the face and then the offender tried to pound you some more and attempted to knee you in the head. At that point, your natural reaction is to protect yourself. Don't get me wrong, Lemieux was a POS, but so was McCarty.
I don't disagree, and I honestly hated pretty much everyone on the Wings from that era (save for Yzerman and Listrom, whom I only "hated" because they were good). However, if I remember correctly (and I might not be remembering correctly without looking it up), the turtle incident was a continuation of and retribution for something that had happened the prior season (a cheap shot by Lemiuex or something like that), so McCarty's actions can't have come as too much of a surprise.
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Darren McCarty destroying the turtling Claude Lemieux while Patrick Roy comes flying down the ice, only to get clotheslined by Brendan Shanahan was one of the most epic things ever.
It was, but if we can be real, McCarty totally blindsided Lemieux, who was just skating by when McCarty turned and clocked him. Just about anyone would turtle if they had just been clocked in the face and then the offender tried to pound you some more and attempted to knee you in the head. At that point, your natural reaction is to protect yourself. Don't get me wrong, Lemieux was a POS, but so was McCarty.
I don't disagree, and I honestly hated pretty much everyone on the Wings from that era (save for Yzerman and Listrom, whom I only "hated" because they were good). However, if I remember correctly (and I might not be remembering correctly without looking it up), the turtle incident was a continuation of and retribution for something that had happened the prior season (a cheap shot by Lemiuex or something like that), so McCarty's actions can't have come as too much of a surprise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkMSSxWPrqE
This is the incident in question. Playoffs of '96, and pretty much what sparked that heated and hateful rivalry for the next decade. Draper had to have facial reconstruction surgery after this. I hate seeing hits like this, but god damn, do I miss hockey that was played like it was in the 90's and 00's, and earlier. Something just doesn't quite feel the same about it now.
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Darren McCarty destroying the turtling Claude Lemieux while Patrick Roy comes flying down the ice, only to get clotheslined by Brendan Shanahan was one of the most epic things ever.
It was, but if we can be real, McCarty totally blindsided Lemieux, who was just skating by when McCarty turned and clocked him. Just about anyone would turtle if they had just been clocked in the face and then the offender tried to pound you some more and attempted to knee you in the head. At that point, your natural reaction is to protect yourself. Don't get me wrong, Lemieux was a POS, but so was McCarty.
I don't disagree, and I honestly hated pretty much everyone on the Wings from that era (save for Yzerman and Listrom, whom I only "hated" because they were good). However, if I remember correctly (and I might not be remembering correctly without looking it up), the turtle incident was a continuation of and retribution for something that had happened the prior season (a cheap shot by Lemiuex or something like that), so McCarty's actions can't have come as too much of a surprise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkMSSxWPrqE
This is the incident in question. Playoffs of '96, and pretty much what sparked that heated and hateful rivalry for the next decade. Draper had to have facial reconstruction surgery after this. I hate seeing hits like this, but god damn, do I miss hockey that was played like it was in the 90's and 00's, and earlier. Something just doesn't quite feel the same about it now.
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That was the low point of what was a pretty brutal series. There was another play in Game 3 where Adam Foote was lining up to hit Slava Kozlov, and Kozlov swerved out of the way and came around with his left hand and punched Foote's head into the boards. No call.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdKusPhRHAM
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That Lemieux hit on Draper was one of the dirtiest things during that era. Dale Hunter on Turgeon was another one. As for gruesomeness.... Only Kevin Stevens gives me more heebee jeebies than Lemieux/Draper.
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Watching B's-Rags on NBCSN...
Is it me or does Bob Mackenzie look embalmed tonight??
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:lol
Maybe a little bit. He's looking a little bit pale.
Speaking of MacKenzie, he's got an awesome job. He's a hockey insider and gets texts from GMs, Scouts, coaches, etc. Hockey is his life. After free agency in July, he gets a nice summer vacation and works on other things. Hockey, hockey, hockey. He's also a really nice guy. Around Christmas time two years ago, I asked him on Twitter the name of a biography he had read over the summer, (I was looking for a present for my dad). He responded, got in contact with the author, and I got an autographed copy. Really cool
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hey man, there's no one better.
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I don't disagree, and I honestly hated pretty much everyone on the Wings from that era (save for Yzerman and Listrom, whom I only "hated" because they were good). However, if I remember correctly (and I might not be remembering correctly without looking it up), the turtle incident was a continuation of and retribution for something that had happened the prior season (a cheap shot by Lemiuex or something like that), so McCarty's actions can't have come as too much of a surprise.
Lemiuex deserved what he got, but if you are going to do it, do it face to face, don't blindside the guy. I guess you could argue that one good blindside deserves one in return. Also, I thought Draper should have manned up and did it himself instead of relying on a teammate to get his revenge. Draper was on their grind line as well, so it is not like he was a skill guy who never got down and dirty.
That was the low point of what was a pretty brutal series. There was another play in Game 3 where Adam Foote was lining up to hit Slava Kozlov, and Kozlov swerved out of the way and came around with his left hand and punched Foote's head into the boards. No call.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdKusPhRHAM
Yep, very cheap, and it's funny how Red Wings fans never remember that. They just remember that mean old Claude Lemiuex started it all. :\
That Lemieux hit on Draper was one of the dirtiest things during that era. Dale Hunter on Turgeon was another one. As for gruesomeness.... Only Kevin Stevens gives me more heebee jeebies than Lemieux/Draper.
I remember seeing the Dale Hunter one live and being absolutely disgusted. I cannot remember a worse cheap shot in a playoff game. The McSorley slash of Brashear is the worst in any NHL game since I've been alive.
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Bob MacKenzie is one of my favorite hockey guys. He’s got a good feel for the sport and he does a great job of not making himself a part of the story. All of the NBC guys should take a few hints from him.
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Bob MacKenzie is one of my favorite hockey guys. He’s got a good feel for the sport and he does a great job of not making himself a part of the story. All of the NBC guys should take a few hints from him.
I like how Bob adjusts to the changes in the game in terms of fan engagement and the focus on speed and skill instead of fighting. He realizes how the Hurricanes' "Storm Surge" is bringing in fans to Canes games and people are getting back into the team. It helps that the team is good again, but people are going because there is character and personality to the gameday experience and the players are having fun too. The fans can feel that. Bob doesn't criticize it and is very supportive of it on Twitter. For some reason, it irritates people like Mike Milbury and Don Cherry. (Who wears the most obnoxious suits and draws attention to himself and making it about him. Meanwhile, the team interacting with their fans are the "bunch of jerks")
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How about the Sabres tanking! 5 standings points since the trade deadline. Didn't they have the best record in the league in November? I didn't know Edmonton and Ottawa wanted company in the cellar.
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They look absolutely awful. Just proves that 10-0 run was a fluke (weren't 7 of them by 1 goal and/or overtime?). Hutton certainly isn't helping them any. He looks exactly like why St. Louis bailed on him.
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Nice win by the Wings last night. It's good to see the young guys leading the charge over their recent win streak. Hopefully that momentum carries over into next season. Sure, it kinda sucks for those of us on team tank, but hey, it's good to see that the winning is being led by the youth rather than the veterans. Also, it's nice to stick it to the B's.
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Seems like most teams are out of gas - only 5 teams in the league with more than 6 wins in their last 10. Seems like pretty much everyone not named Tampa is playing mediocre.
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Seems like most teams are out of gas - only 5 teams in the league with more than 6 wins in their last 10. Seems like pretty much everyone not named Tampa is playing mediocre.
Blues are 6-2 in their last 8. One of those losses was a shootout loss and the other was last Friday against the Rangers where they had 46 shots on goal and the Rangers goalie basically stole the game for them.
These days...especially playoff time....I tend to try and not to get too excited......but it's hard not to when they've been playing this well. Last place in the league on January 1st to now a legit shot at winning the division.
2 pts behind Nashville with a game at hand.
2 pts behind the Jets with same games played (Jets have lost 3 in a row and haven't looked sharp)
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Georgiev stole two from the Leafs this year as well. 56 shots on goal back in Feb; 45 a couple weeks back. That kid is gonna be a nice replacement for Lundqvist.
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Georgiev stole two from the Leafs this year as well. 56 shots on goal back in Feb; 45 a couple weeks back. That kid is gonna be a nice replacement for Lundqvist.
He saved at least three 'for sure' goals that game. On top of just being under siege for most of the game. You could 'sense' that was going to be the case all night after a couple of the early big saves that any other night are goals.
All indications are that the Blues/Preds will face each other first round. Just gonna be who has home ice. Sets up another great Brother in Law match up. :lol
The Miller's are heading to Nashville from April 17th thr the 21st to see Dream Theater on that Wednesday night and spend Easter there. My Bro in Law an I have already floated the idea of 'if' there is a game in Nashville when I'm there that we may just have to get to it. I'm sure it'll be affordable :lol
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Win or lose in the shootout, the end of this Blues game has been gross. As great as they've been since January, they blow way too many 2-goal leads. :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Win or lose in the shootout, the end of this Blues game has been gross. As great as they've been since January, they blow way too many 2-goal leads. :facepalm: :facepalm:
That had less to do with the Blues blowing a lead and more to do with the Avs freaking pouring it on to get at least a point. (2) deflection goals that Binnington had zero chance on. I don’t think they have anything to apologize for. Just beat one of if not the hottest teams in hockey. Like they did against Tampa.....then Vegas....now the Avs.
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That had less to do with the Blues blowing a lead and more to do with the Avs freaking pouring it on to get at least a point. (2) deflection goals that Binnington had zero chance on. I don’t think they have anything to apologize for. Just beat one of if not the hottest teams in hockey. Like they did against Tampa.....then Vegas....now the Avs.
I hear ya. I am just aggravated to not get the ROW. They could have had a 2-game lead in that tiebreaker over Nashville with three to play, but it's still just 1.
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So I'm watching the Bruins game tonight and the bottom scroll is showing scores. Seems the Oilers are up on the Avs.
Then I see "Goal: Lucic (6)"
Wait wut??
6 fucking goals for Milan Lucic? Are you kidding me? What a fucking pant load.
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So I'm watching the Bruins game tonight and the bottom scroll is showing scores. Seems the Oilers are up on the Avs.
Then I see "Goal: Lucic (6)"
Wait wut??
6 fucking goals for Milan Lucic? Are you kidding me? What a fucking pant load.
He's paid a million per goal. I think he needs to give Chiarelli weekly BJs, too.
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That was a solid ass-whoopin the Bs laid on CBJ last night.
As opposed to the Leafs who had 2 shots on goal thru the first 1/2 of the game. Another stinker, and two tough games to finish up. Right now, I'm predicting the Bs in 5. At least that'll give Dubas a few extra weeks to figure out how to put all the contracts into place.
Looks like Colorado has locked up the last WC spot in the west. Montreal's chances are slim - they've got two much tougher opponents than Columbus does. None-the-less, if anyone can find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, it's Torts. :lol
Unreal that the Blues have a chance to win the Central. Given the way the Jets have been playing lately, I'd say it's a very realistic chance.
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Looks like we get the Jets in the first round. Not the best matchup given their size, but given where the Blues were 3 months ago, I will take it. They have the 4th best odds to win the Cup heading into the postseason. That is wild.
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Last place on Jan 3, to almost winning the Division. Damn impressive. And given the Jets play of late, there should be reason for optimism.
I finished 4/140 in my pool - good for $200!
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Looks like we get the Jets in the first round. Not the best matchup given their size, but given where the Blues were 3 months ago, I will take it. They have the 4th best odds to win the Cup heading into the postseason. That is wild.
I think Blues/Jets is the best matchup in the first round.
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I’m greedy and am lamenting hard the three points we handed away over the past few games. Last Friday in NY losing 4-2 with (47) shots on goal and utterly dominating the game and the lackluster effort in Chicago where we only got a point. There’s your Central Division Championship after being dead last.
As far as winding up with Winnipeg.....could go either way. I think Winnipeg is the tougher of the two teams between they and the Preds.....so let’s just get it on. Blues have been tough the last twenty games or so.....so they’re no push overs. It’ll all come down to goaltending like it usually does in the playoffs so we’ll see if Binnington can remain solid or if he’ll crumble and become yet another goalie in the long string of goalies the Blues have had that couldn’t do the trick for them.
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Alright Chad. Thursday it's on like Donkey Kong.
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Yeah... not much of a fight methinks. Leafs have been horrible since the end of Feb - 29th in GAA and Save %; bottom 1/2 of the league in points. Not sure they are gonna get their shit together in 3 days.
But anything can happen.
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IDK, the leafs fought to a game 7. Hockey is the one sport where all seeds have a chance. I'm not taking the Leafs lightly.
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If they play like they are *capable* of playing, then there's always a chance. They've been a wreck for too long, I don't see them righting the ship by Thursday.
Bruins in 5. I'd love to be wrong though.
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Best two weeks of the year in sports begins Wednesday! :metal :metal :coolio :hat
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Since I don't have a dog in the fight, I'd like to see Tampa Bay win the whole thing. Would probably most like to see a Jets-Bolts final. I think Colorado is most likely to pull the first round upset. Even though they are essentially a one line team, that's a pretty amazing line they have with MacKinno, Rantanen and Landeskog. Looking forward mostly to the Draft Lottery tomorrow. Hoping the Wings get a top-2 pick.
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My daring (or not so daring) predictions:
Tampa Bay v. Columbus
Boston v. Toronto
Washington v. Carolina
New York v. Pittsburgh
Calgary v. Colorado
San Jose v. Las Vegas
Nashville v. Dallas
Winnipeg v. St. Louis
Looking forward to the BOS v. TOR and WPG v. STL series.
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East
Tampa Bay v. Columbus
Boston v. Toronto
Washington v. Carolina
New York v. Pittsburgh
West (going complete opposite of you here pg)
Calgary v. Colorado
San Jose v. Las Vegas
Nashville v. Dallas
Winnipeg v. St. Louis
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East
Tampa Bay v. Columbus
Boston v. Toronto
Washington v. Carolina
New York v. Pittsburgh
West
Calgary v. Colorado
San Jose v. Las Vegas
Nashville v. Dallas
Winnipeg v. St. Louis
We will know soon enough but I'm not sure that Winnipeg can just flip the switch back on. They haven't looked very good for a while now. That last game against Arizona 'looked' good on paper....but....the last time Winnipeg played the Blues was December 7th when the Blues were horrid. I know I'm a 'homer' and all but the Blues have been one of...if not the best team in the league the past month/month and a half. They're playing really well and IF they play the way they've been playing they'll be tough to beat.
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East
Tampa Bay v. Columbus
Boston v. Toronto
Washington v. Carolina
New York v. Pittsburgh
West
Calgary v. Colorado
San Jose v. Las Vegas
Nashville v. Dallas
Winnipeg v. St. Louis
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East
Tampa Bay v. Columbus
Boston v. Toronto
Washington v. Carolina
New York v. Pittsburgh
West
Calgary v. Colorado
San Jose v. Las Vegas
Nashville v. Dallas
Winnipeg v. St. Louis
I think these would probably be my exact picks too. Can't wait, I'm totally ready for some playoff hockey!
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Tampa
Toronto
Washington
New York
Calgary
Vegas
Nashville
St. Louis
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East
Tampa Bay
Boston
Washington
New York
West
Calgary
Las Vegas
Nashville
Winnipeg
Would prefer Toronto winning, but unfortunately the Bs and Leafs went in opposite directions while going into the playoffs.
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East
Tampa Bay v. Columbus
Boston v. Toronto
Washington v. Carolina
New York v. Pittsburgh
West
Calgary v. Colorado
San Jose v. Las Vegas
Nashville v. Dallas
Winnipeg v. St. Louis
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Well, Kings get #5 in the draft. I'm never felt so sad about a high draft pick until now, given how badly we played all season. I would have hoped we gotten top 3. Somehow the Blackhawks jumped nine spots from #12 to #3, which is honestly rubbish. Amazingly, the Devils got the #1 pick. Having Taylor Hall on your squad continues to bring the good luck vibes in the lottery if you don't make it to the playoffs.
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Number 2 in the draft is awesome! Just wish it wasn’t the Devils who got number 1.
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East
Tampa Bay v. Columbus
Boston v. Toronto
Washington v. Carolina
New York v. Pittsburgh
West
Calgary v. Colorado
San Jose v. Las Vegas
Nashville v. Dallas
Winnipeg v. St. Louis
It pains me to take Calgary in any series ever, but i think Colorado is put to bed might early in that one.
And , Toronto probably beats Boston. I just really don't want them to
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I'll never forget the '93 playoffs, where both the Blackhawks and Bruins were #1 seeds - 21, and 23 points ahead of their round 1 opponents (Blues and Sabres), and both were swept 4-0. Boston had gone into the playoffs 8-0-0, and won 18 of the final 21 games.
Their season ended with the infamous May-Day goal; Chicago ran into CuJo, and go shutout twice in the sweep.
I also remember the 2001 playoffs, and the running joke around town was that the Leafs were so out-matched that they were gonna lose to Ottawa in 3. Turns out, they swept the Senators.
Anything can happen.
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I'll never forget the '93 playoffs, where both the Blackhawks and Bruins were #1 seeds - 21, and 23 points ahead of their round 1 opponents (Blues and Sabres), and both were swept 4-0. Boston had gone into the playoffs 8-0-0, and won 18 of the final 21 games.
How do you remember that? I don't even remember that.
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I remember that......it was awesome!!!
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I'll never forget the '93 playoffs, where both the Blackhawks and Bruins were #1 seeds - 21, and 23 points ahead of their round 1 opponents (Blues and Sabres), and both were swept 4-0. Boston had gone into the playoffs 8-0-0, and won 18 of the final 21 games.
Their season ended with the infamous May-Day goal; Chicago ran into CuJo, and go shutout twice in the sweep.
I also remember the 2001 playoffs, and the running joke around town was that the Leafs were so out-matched that they were gonna lose to Ottawa in 3. Turns out, they swept the Senators.
Anything can happen.
The 93 playoffs were crazy overall. 28 OT games, and the Habs were part of ten of those.
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That team was loaded. Brian Sutter coached and Adam Oates had 140 points that year.
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Well, Kings get #5 in the draft. I'm never felt so sad about a high draft pick until now, given how badly we played all season. I would have hoped we gotten top 3. Somehow the Blackhawks jumped nine spots from #12 to #3, which is honestly rubbish. Amazingly, the Devils got the #1 pick. Having Taylor Hall on your squad continues to bring the good luck vibes in the lottery if you don't make it to the playoffs.
Meh...it's the nature of a random draw. I'm less worried about having the #5 pick than I am about Rob Blake being sufficiently competent to make a good pick.
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12 minutes in and I already hate the Jets. :lol :lol
Okay, not really, but should be a fun series.
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This is the game I'm watching tonight.
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Exactly the way both the Blues and Jets have been playing over the last few months. Jets seem to be incapable of holding on to a lead. This result just might give them a continued case of the yips.
And wtf CBJ. That was an impressive comeback. Vasilevsky looked .... human. And beatable.
The Islanders/Pens game was awesome! Those fans are fucking rabid. I heard the announce crew say that this is the first playoff series the Isles have had home-ice advantage since 1988!?!?!? :omg:
I hope Vegas gets swept.
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Some GREAT games last night. :metal
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Playoff hockey is just at a different level than the regular season.
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One down, 15 to go... :biggrin:
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Pens going out and doing exactly what you can't do against the Islanders last night :facepalm:
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Pens going out and doing exactly what you can't do against the Islanders last night :facepalm:
The Isles are not to be trifled with. I can see them potentially going deep this postseason.
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Playoff hockey is just at a different level than the regular season.
It's SO much fun to watch
Exactly the way both the Blues and Jets have been playing over the last few months. Jets seem to be incapable of holding on to a lead. This result just might give them a continued case of the yips.
As the game wore on and the 'fresh' feel of the playoffs at home started to wear from the Jets play.....the Blues settled in and started to play their game. The third period was really fun to watch....Jets had zero answer to what the Blues were bringing and were it not for their goalie making three or four incredible saves that score could have been pretty lopsided.
Binnington made a handful of saves as well that I'd bet my left arm Jake Allen would have just watched go into the net. Kid has been fantastic.
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That last save on Schieffle was ridiculous!
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Joe Pavelski took one off the face for a goal. Nice.
sidenote....Joe Pavelski went to the same High School as me.
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Pens going out and doing exactly what you can't do against the Islanders last night :facepalm:
The Isles are not to be trifled with. I can see them potentially going deep this postseason.
Oh I agree, the Pens really need to not make stupid mistakes and play patience against NY. They failed in that last night for sure.
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Hell of a pass by Marchand for the PP goal.
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I love Mitch Marner, but Rask has to make that stop.
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C'mon Sharks, please win the cup this time!!!
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The team is letting Rask down tonight. The Leafs have that long pass play all the time. You know the coaching staff planned for it. The players are letting playoff hockey get to them.
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In the CBC broadcast, Hrudey commented that the Bs might as well have laid out a red carpet in the neutral zone. :D
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No doubt.
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In the CBC broadcast, Hrudey commented that the Bs might as well have laid out a red carpet in the neutral zone. :D
So true!
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Wow, the Bruins sucked ass tonight.
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Poop.
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C'mon Sharks, please win the cup this time!!!
(https://i.imgflip.com/zk7pr.jpg)
Of course, with the exception of the Islanders, every team I picked lost game 1, so what do I know?
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CBJ kicking TB's ass!! Hopefully they won't choke like last year.
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Columbus :omg:
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We got some high scoring games right now in the West. Jets/Blues is at 3-3 and have been trading leads at the end of two. Golden Knights had the Sharks 3-0 and could have gotten them off-balanced for the rest of the game/series/life, but now it's 3-3 at the end of one.
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Blues take game 2. Up 2-0. Outside of the (2) PP goals Winnipeg had to keep them in the game Blues stifled the Jets all night.
And.....eh....never mind. We won.
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Wth is with Tampa!? But, if anyone can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, it's Torts.
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Blues take game 2. Up 2-0. Outside of the (2) PP goals Winnipeg had to keep them in the game Blues stifled the Jets all night.
And.....eh....never mind. We won.
2 down, 14 to go... :tup :tup
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Wth is with Tampa!? But, if anyone can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, it's Torts.
Funny you mention this. I believe Cooper just got an extension and the way TB is playing, TB might get swept.
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On one hand, if Tampa wins the Cup, the Rangers get another first round pick. On the other hand, I will be so elated if Tampa gets swept out of the playoffs by a team who has never won a playoff series.
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Tampa ain't getting swept. I think their overconfidence is what is doing them in so far, but I expect them to get it together in game 3 and get back to being the team they were all season.
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Tampa ain't getting swept. I think their overconfidence is what is doing them in so far, but I expect them to get it together in game 3 and get back to being the team they were all season.
I hope so but I would have expected them to rebound in Game 2. They looked lifeless again. You can see that CBJ wants to win AND play.
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Kadri again took himself out of a series. Nevermind the Leafs had momentum being down 3-1 with his goal.
Dumb, dumb, dumb.
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Yeah, that was just stupid.
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DeBrusk took out Kadri with a dirty knee to knee hit earlier in the game, so I say give them both a suspension and move on.
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DeBrusk took out Kadri with a dirty knee to knee hit earlier in the game, so I say give them both a suspension and move on.
He did not stick out his leg. In fact he was leaning with his shoulder. He certainly didn’t try and not make contact, but his leg was tight to his body.
There was nothing dirty about it.
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DeBrusk took out Kadri with a dirty knee to knee hit earlier in the game, so I say give them both a suspension and move on.
What Tim said but those 2 were at each other for 2 games. Pleanty of cheap shots for both buy Kadri should have just dropped the gloves.
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DeBrusk took out Kadri with a dirty knee to knee hit earlier in the game, so I say give them both a suspension and move on.
He did not stick out his leg. In fact he was leaning with his shoulder. He certainly didn’t try and not make contact, but his leg was tight to his body.
There was nothing dirty about it.
DeBrusk had his stance pretty wide - he knew what he was doing ... but it wasn't dirty.
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It was unsafe, and if you don't have control of your body enough to not deliver what could result in a serious injury to your opponent, it is dirty, unintentional or not, IMO. It's like if you are waving your stick around and take someone's eye out. Even if it wasn't intentional, the way you are playing led to it and that is a dirty way to play. There are players like that on every team.
In the meantime, the Pens are 6 minutes away from being down 3-0.
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The Pens look gassed out both physically and mentally. Not sure what to think of Sullivan's coaching either.
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It was unsafe, and if you don't have control of your body enough to not deliver what could result in a serious injury to your opponent, it is dirty, unintentional or not, IMO. It's like if you are waving your stick around and take someone's eye out. Even if it wasn't intentional, the way you are playing led to it and that is a dirty way to play. There are players like that on every team.
You talking about Kardi??
Debrusk isn't a dirty kid. Not even close, Kev. Obviously you haven't watched any Bruins games this year. He's hard nosed and going up against a douche like Kadri, well, he isn't going to back down. the play in question looked like two guys playing chicken. It was Kadri who flinched at the last second. He obviously misread Debrusk's angle. If anything, Debrusk's knee was angled to the inside.
Now Debrusk certainly didn't shy away from contact, but he lead with his shoulder. Unless you're a fanboy or a hater, there's no way that could be called a dirty play.
Unsafe? A guy skating his lane is not unsafe just because someone gets in his way. There's a lot more dirty shit going on.
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Well, yeah. If you had to take a shot every time there was a dirty play in a hockey game, even the most hardcore drinker would be blackout drunk by the end of the 1st period. :lol :lol
And I didn't say DeBrusk was a dirty player; I said it was a dirty play, which it was. One of many you see in every game.
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OK, we'll agree to disagree. The play wasn't dirty. :)
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On the dirty level that is at 10%.
Kadri was 100% dirty. Youve got to be smart about it and now their he's out of the playoffs 2 years in row. Debrusk's history speaks differently and when you deal with a player that crosses the line all the time, this is the result.
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With both Kucherov and Hedman out, Columbus HAS TO win this game.
And I love Josh Anderson. That kid is a stud. He really stood out to me during those two late season games against the Bruins.
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Ugly game by the Blues tonight. The Jets were the far better team for the first two periods and apparently the third as well (I turned it off at 3-1 to watch GoT).
Oh, and :lol :lol at the Lightning. What a gag job.
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The only thing about the Bolts that I'm upset at is having loaded up on them in both my pool submissions. I just threw $40 away. It's incredible how the tables can turn so fast - a team that barely made it in to the playoffs is dominating a team that steamrolled the league for 82 games.
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The only thing about the Bolts that I'm upset at is having loaded up on them in both my pool submissions. I just threw $40 away. It's incredible how the tables can turn so fast - a team that barely made it in to the playoffs is dominating a team that steamrolled the league for 82 games.
My bracket is wrecked if the Bolts go down as well. They are getting destroyed by the Blue Jackets. As a co-worker of mine, who's a Lightning fan, said, "this is like watching your real dad, who's been out of your life for so long, coming to your house and beating the crap out of your cool new step-dad on your front lawn."
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The Pens look gassed out both physically and mentally. Not sure what to think of Sullivan's coaching either.
Me neither. It's hard when the guy won 2 cups in the last three years, but some of his lineup and strategic decisions in this series are horrible.
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That Ovie KO punch....damn!
-Caps got steamrolled by Carolina.
-Toronto beat the Bruins. Toronto looks like a Jekyll and Hyde team.
-Stars Preds series is going to be a close one. I think Nashville will pull it off. Still baffled on why Hitch was hired last year. Stars pretty much threw out last year with their core under Hitchcock. Stars could of beaten the Preds if it wasn't for last years coaching gaffe.
-Colorado is going to be a beast of a team in the next year or two. Still think Calgary has a better team.
-Flyers fans: Why did they hire Vigneault?
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I think actually it's Boston that looks like Jeckyll and Hyde. When they were able to get the Leafs off their line matchup strategy, and were physical as hell, they took it to them. With the last change advantage, the Leafs have been able to get the matchup they want, and the Leafs have a slight advantage (at the moment) with the #1 lines. Getting the PP going also helped. Couple of chincy penalty calls last night, but at least the refs were consistent.
Marner!! Damn, if he keeps going like this, it's gonna be hard to sign him for less than $10M. Honestly, he's more valuable than Matthews. The way the team mobbed him after those final two blocked shots was like he'd scored the OT winner.
Carolina played perfectly. Mrazek was outstanding. I can see Flames/Avs going to game 7 - Flames goaltending is just too inconsistent. And yeah... Avs are gonna be scary good in a couple of years.
So, do the Bolts become the first President's Trophy winners to get swept in round 1? Turning point game for the Jets too. I'd like the Sharks to comeback, but I'm not invested at all in that series. I wonder if the Pens are about ready to get blown up - the core of their championships are all past their prime (Sid's 100 point season notwithstanding). Given all 6 D and top 7 forwards are contracted thru the next couple of years, I dunno what they can do.
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-Marner's block were freaking amazing. I think this will jumpstart Toronto for the next game.
-I want Torts to win this series. Big fan of him.
-Problem with the Pens is that even if they blow up the team, they don't have many prospects to use from their minors. I really hope Rutherford gets the boot after this season. His moves this season were head scratchers. They still have a decent enough of a core to do a quick rebuild, but I don't think Rutherford is the guy to do this. And Sullivan is a good coach but hope he learns from this season's mistakes. All that line shuffling and inconsistent lineups killed some of the chemistry that the Pens had.
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Marner!! Damn, if he keeps going like this, it's gonna be hard to sign him for less than $10M. Honestly, he's more valuable than Matthews. The way the team mobbed him after those final two blocked shots was like he'd scored the OT winner.
Yeah, that was a great moment. Good for him. He looks so young and unassuming but he is one greasy mofo. He kills the Bruins.
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Is Pierre Maguire on crack tonight? Settle down bro! :lol
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The Lightning are on the verge of being the biggest laughingstock ever.
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They look completely out of sync right now and not to take anything away from Columbus, but the puck doesn't seem to be bouncing their way either. I have a soft spot for Tampa because I like a lot of players on their team, so it's disappointing for me to see them go down like this :facepalm:
Edit: and just moments after I posted, they scored. I hope they can come back and win this one here...
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WOW!!
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Crazy!
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It's hard to believe Tampa was swept after such a great season! I'm happy for Columbus and Torts, though.
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Pens swept by Islanders. Hoping that Pens ownership get rid of Rutherford.
What a story the turnaround of Lehner has been this year.
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It's hard to believe Tampa was swept after such a great season! I'm happy for Columbus and Torts, though.
People actually root for Tortorella?
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It's hard to believe Tampa was swept after such a great season! I'm happy for Columbus and Torts, though.
People actually root for Tortorella?
:rollin
I don't root for him, but he's done an excellent job coaching that team this season and deserves a lot of credit for the position they're in now.
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That has to be one of - if not THE most shocking upset ever. Can't say anything we aren't all already thinking.
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The action in this Jets-Blues game is incredible!
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Tampa and Pittsburgh getting swept out of the playoffs makes TheCount a very happy man.
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Was gonna comment about the Blues game tonight but I’m still fuming. Bottom line the game was there for the taking and they blew a great chance to take command of the series.
Bunch of players on the Blues really begging for me to go old school rage post on them.
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Was gonna comment about the Blues game tonight but I’m still fuming. Bottom line the game was there for the taking and they blew a great chance to take command of the series.
Bunch of players on the Blues really begging for me to go old school rage post on them.
I still remember the post from a few years ago where you took a picture of yourself flipping off every page of your Blues calendar. I genuinely like St. Louis and find myself rooting for them far more often than I root against them, but that post was one of the highlights of my four and a half years as a forum member.
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Can't believe TB. Anything can happen!
And the Sharks are about to crash and burn AGAIN!!! :facepalm: :loser: :censored >:( :tdwn
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Was gonna comment about the Blues game tonight but I’m still fuming. Bottom line the game was there for the taking and they blew a great chance to take command of the series.
Bunch of players on the Blues really begging for me to go old school rage post on them.
I still remember the post from a few years ago where you took a picture of yourself flipping off every page of your Blues calendar. I genuinely like St. Louis and find myself rooting for them far more often than I root against them, but that post was one of the highlights of my four and a half years as a forum member.
I was SO ticked at that series loss. My limbs were shaking I was so mad. I’ve gotten ‘better’ over the past few years. But tonight’s game really pi$$ed me off. It’s my fault though for convincing myself the Blues might actually mount a run this post season. Should have known better.
I know it’s a 2-2 series but there are several key players who are just absent.....not gonna win anything without all hands on deck.
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That has to be the biggest choke of all time. On the flip side, that's a hell of a way to win your franchise's first playoff series.
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What a disappointing end to the Pens season. There were signs of this throughout the year, but I was still hoping they'd make a push to at least the second round.
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That has to be one of - if not THE most shocking upset ever. Can't say anything we aren't all already thinking.
Pretty much what happened to Washington in 2010. They had 121 points and won the Pres. Trophy and lost to Montreal in the first round. Of course, that was a 7-game series and not a sweep.
Columbus also reminds me of my 2012 LA Kings, who took down the President's Trophy winning Canucks in 5 games in the first round en route to winning the Cup.
This is one of the many things that makes the NHL playoffs so much fun. Over the past 20 seasons, the team with the best regular season record has lost in the first round six times and won the Stanley Cup only five times (and three of those five times happened between 99-02).
And the Sharks are about to crash and burn AGAIN!!! :facepalm: :loser: :censored >:( :tdwn
(https://www.tacomaworld.com/media/sharks-choke-bb1.158025/full?d=0)
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I was SO ticked at that series loss. My limbs were shaking I was so mad. I’ve gotten ‘better’ over the past few years. But tonight’s game really pi$$ed me off. It’s my fault though for convincing myself the Blues might actually mount a run this post season. Should have known better.
I know it’s a 2-2 series but there are several key players who are just absent.....not gonna win anything without all hands on deck.
I have reached the point where I am almost numb to the Blues playoff losses. I couldn't stay awake for OT, but when I woke up at 4 am to pee (old man problems), I looked at twitter real quick, saw they lost, thought, "bummer," and fell back in bed and went right back to sleep. Years ago, the aggravation of it would have prevented me from falling back asleep (sports fan problems).
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Years ago, you would've seen it live!
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Damn right. :lol
I think I have been to 5 playoff games in my life and they are 2-3 in those games.
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Stars are blowing the Preds 4-0 and Rinne has been pulled.
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-Flyers fans: Why did they hire Vigneault?
I mean, anyone other than coach Q was a disappointment. That said the team has traditionally paid big money and in recent years especially in coaching since it's not cap-reliant. Hakstol was a BIG exception and a huge change of pace when he was hired. New regime saw him as a failure and so it's no surprise to react the other way and get the 2nd biggest name on the market.
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Selke nominees are out.
Bergeron
O'Reilly
Stone
Mark Stone was a surprise name on the list.
I say it's Ryan O'Reilly easily this year.
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I didn't get to watch all of the Leafs Bruins game, but the third period was awesome. It's a really fun matchup to watch... I hope it ends up going to 7 games.
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Was just texting with Chad and said the same thing. This series will go 7.
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The Blues let the Jets score 12 seconds into the game. What a bunch of clowns.
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And those "clowns" just won after an epic 3rd period comeback. Amazing.
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And those "clowns" just won after an epic 3rd period comeback. Amazing.
Still can’t believe they came back like that. Like I was texting you.....I was ripping Schwartz all night long to anyone who’d listen :lol
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Now...if we can just win a game at home.
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Amazing that the away team has won all 5 games so far.
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Just watched the recap vid ... holy shit! 15 seconds to go. Second night in a row a Canadian team blows a 2-0 3rd period lead.
Hope Toronto can be Road Warriors again tonight. and buck the trend of being on the brink of elimination.
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Well I hope you are wrong lol. It sure feels like a 7 game series.
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Seems like Steve Yzerman is going to be the GM of the Red Wings. Long time coming.
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Seems like Steve Yzerman is going to be the GM of the Red Wings. Long time coming.
The prodigal son has returned!!
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Don't want to jinx it, but with 10min left down 4...good riddance, Calgary.
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Gag job #2. Just proves 82 games doesn't matter - you just need ramp up at the end of March, and get hot in April.
Hard to say whether the Avs and Jackets were really THAT good defensively, or if the Flames and Bolts just went ice cold. Probably a combination of both.
Leafs got a couple of chincy-assed penalties called against them last night, but fortunately had a strong penalty kill. Also, that WAS goaltending interference. The only way I can reconcile that call is that part of the assessment is because it wouldn't have mattered. Rask reacted late because of the screen, and I don't think would've had any chance to make that stop regardless.
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First time ever (since '67 expansion) that the two #1 seeds (or the two teams with the best record) are eliminated in the first round. Bruins are #3. Hoping to watch them fall tomorrow. :biggrin:
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Hoping for a game 7! Lol
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First time ever (since '67 expansion) that the two #1 seeds (or the two teams with the best record) are eliminated in the first round. Bruins are #3. Hoping to watch them fall tomorrow. :biggrin:
We are seeing again how meaningless home ice advantage in the NHL playoffs is. Homes team are 19-17 so far this postseason, two of the three first round winners so far did not have home ice in their series, and all three teams currently up 3-2 in their series were the lower seed.
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Not only the first time ever both #1 seeds were eliminated by the #8, but the truly crazy part is the #1 seeds had a grand total of ONE win between the two of them.
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It would not surprise me in the least to see the Blues in the Finals.
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Gary/Kev! Conrgrats!
But FUCKING GLORIA??
You gotta fucking be kidding me. :lol
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Gary/Kev! Conrgrats!
But FUCKING GLORIA??
You gotta fucking be kidding me. :lol
It’s one of those songs they started playing and rallied around in the clubhouse when they won 11 in a row. It’s now taken on a life of its own.
I’d like to hear it three more times.
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Jets made it close, but the Blues dominated most of that game and deserved to win.
4 down, 12 to go!! :hat :hat
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Gary/Kev! Conrgrats!
But FUCKING GLORIA??
You gotta fucking be kidding me. :lol
It’s one of those songs they started playing and rallied around in the clubhouse when they won 11 in a row. It’s now taken on a life of its own.
I’d like to hear it three more times.
Hey, whatever works! :lol
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Aren't you from the city that uses a freaking Neil Diamond song on a regular basis? :lol :lol
:biggrin: :biggrin:
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Trust me, that is the gayest tradition ever. Now that I think of it, Laura Branigan ain't that bad! :lol
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Trust me, that is the gayest tradition ever. Now that I think of it, Laura Branigan ain't that bad! :lol
Toronto too. Sweet Caroline at every fucking game. :facepalm:
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Speaking of Toronto, I read that this is the first time since the early 00's (2002, I think) that the Maple Leafs are the last team from Canada alive in the playoffs.
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I think Montreal have hurt themselves by the tradition of only having a French speaking coach. They've brought back the same coaches from before and are not getting a young, new approach to today's style of play.
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Red Wing fans finally have some hope and promise for the future. Here's hoping Stevie Y brings the same success as GM that he did on the ice, as well as his years as the Lightning GM.
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Speaking of Toronto, I read that this is the first time since the early 00's (2002, I think) that the Maple Leafs are the last team from Canada alive in the playoffs.
'04 technically... since both they/Mtl were eliminated in the 2nd round, but the Leafs went 6 games. Not a surprise really, since they didn't make the playoffs again until 2013, and haven't made it out of the 1st round since '04.
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Speaking of Toronto, I read that this is the first time since the early 00's (2002, I think) that the Maple Leafs are the last team from Canada alive in the playoffs.
'04 technically... since both they/Mtl were eliminated in the 2nd round, but the Leafs went 6 games. Not a surprise really, since they didn't make the playoffs again until 2013, and haven't made it out of the 1st round since '04.
Damn. I honestly didn't know their recent history had been that poor. I'll be rooting for them today. :tup :tup
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Speaking of Toronto, I read that this is the first time since the early 00's (2002, I think) that the Maple Leafs are the last team from Canada alive in the playoffs.
'04 technically... since both they/Mtl were eliminated in the 2nd round, but the Leafs went 6 games. Not a surprise really, since they didn't make the playoffs again until 2013, and haven't made it out of the 1st round since '04.
But Calgary made the finals that year, so Toronto still wasn’t the last Canadian team standing.
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Damn. Toronto couldn't wrap up the series and the momentum shifted on the Bruins favor.
Sucks for TJ Oshie. Out with a broken clavicle and he had surgery.
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Speaking of Toronto, I read that this is the first time since the early 00's (2002, I think) that the Maple Leafs are the last team from Canada alive in the playoffs.
'04 technically... since both they/Mtl were eliminated in the 2nd round, but the Leafs went 6 games. Not a surprise really, since they didn't make the playoffs again until 2013, and haven't made it out of the 1st round since '04.
But Calgary made the finals that year, so Toronto still wasn’t the last Canadian team standing.
Oh yeah... rite. Well, there won't be any Canadian teams going on to the second round. No way Boston loses 3 at the Garden.
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That was one helluva soft goal by Flower. Sharks got dominated (from what I can tell of the stat sheet), but now have all the advantage and momentum.
God I hope they win.
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Chad has no confidence in the Leafs taking game 7.
I have doubts since I think the Leafs speed are the B's Kryptonite.
Both teams won 2 games on the road.
Which team and impose their will to the other. for me, the team that scraps for the puck, beats the other team to the puck, the little extra keeping the puck in the opposing zone is the team that wins.
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Special teams was the difference yesterday. Bruins PP 2-2; Leafs, 0-3.
I hope the refs let 'em play tomorrow. All 5 were chincy penalty calls yesterday.
Best I can hope for is Rask having one of his 'off' games, and Andersen stealing one.
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Rask can have those games.
Brian was wearing a line in the rug from pacing yesterday. He allow swallowed a half dozen swears because my nephew was with us. :lol
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I hope the refs let 'em play tomorrow. All 5 were chincy penalty calls yesterday.
This is what I loved about game 6 between the Blues and Jets. The Refs let them play....the calls that were called were very obvious calls....a couple high sticks and blatant trips. Everything else was old school playoff hockey. Each team knew the line and it was fun to watch.
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Wow! Canes showing some stones tonight!
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Amazing the difference in crowd noise between the two games when flipping back and forth. Caps/Hurricanes is nice and loud in Carolina, while Preds/Stars is quiet as a mouse in Dallas.
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What do you guys think of that Washington goal that was disallowed? I never heard the whistle and didnt hear it on the replays either.
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What do you guys think of that Washington goal that was disallowed? I never heard the whistle and didnt hear it on the replays either.
That was a shit call. I am guessing the reason was the ref lost sight of the puck, even if he hadn't blown the whistle yet, and that ended the play before Ovechkin jammed it in, but if that was true, why was it reviewable? Didn't make a lot of sense to me.
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Radulov has really turned it around in Dallas. Feel sorry for Rinne. His window for winning the Cup is closing.
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What do you guys think of that Washington goal that was disallowed? I never heard the whistle and didnt hear it on the replays either.
That was a shit call. I am guessing the reason was the ref lost sight of the puck, even if he hadn't blown the whistle yet, and that ended the play before Ovechkin jammed it in, but if that was true, why was it reviewable? Didn't make a lot of sense to me.
I'm virtually certain that a disallowed goal because of a blown - or intent to blow - whistle is not reviewable.
Buh bye Preds.
Now, if my two most hated franchises would kindly eliminate themselves tonight, all will be right with the hockey world.
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I'm virtually certain that a disallowed goal because of a blown - or intent to blow - whistle is not reviewable.
Then I have no idea why that wasn't a goal. ??? ???
Oh, and it was awesome to see Nashville get knocked out in the first round. :hat :hat
Stars will be a tough opponent next round, though.
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What do you guys think of that Washington goal that was disallowed? I never heard the whistle and didnt hear it on the replays either.
That was a shit call. I am guessing the reason was the ref lost sight of the puck, even if he hadn't blown the whistle yet, and that ended the play before Ovechkin jammed it in, but if that was true, why was it reviewable? Didn't make a lot of sense to me.
I'm virtually certain that a disallowed goal because of a blown - or intent to blow - whistle is not reviewable.
Buh bye Preds.
Now, if my two most hated franchises would kindly eliminate themselves tonight, all will be right with the hockey world.
At least it's a 7pm EST start.
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I'm virtually certain that a disallowed goal because of a blown - or intent to blow - whistle is not reviewable.
Then I have no idea why that wasn't a goal. ??? ???
Oh, and it was awesome to see Nashville get knocked out in the first round. :hat :hat
Stars will be a tough opponent next round, though.
Stars will be tough for the Blues. We don’t match up well against them AND they’ve had our number for a couple seasons. But, it’s the perfect team for the Blues to face because if you’re going to win the cup you need to rise to these type of occasions. Stars aren’t a ‘better’ team than the Blues.....but the Blues will need their best to beat them. Should be a fun series to watch.
And....I already detest every Stars player....even just looking at them makes me angry
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I'm virtually certain that a disallowed goal because of a blown - or intent to blow - whistle is not reviewable.
Then I have no idea why that wasn't a goal. ??? ???
My initial response was before seeing the highlights. I just assumed from goo-goo's comment that it was disallowed because the play was blown dead. Now having seen the replay, and the fact it was reviewed, it makes no sense. How does anyone know what is / is not goaltender interference with the way the Situation Room is making calls?? Honestly, the Leafs got away with one on Sunday - Matthews goal was pretty much interference between Hyman/Rask, but the wasn't called as such... and yet this one last night *is* considered interference?? I think the situation room might just be flipping a coin, because rarely do we see calls over-turned ... except for offsides - 1mm over the line, and they'll overturn those all day long.
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Honestly, i prefer the international rules where as soon as a player enters the crease it's a whistle. No possible chance of interference, and no possible chance of ridiculous issues like the Brett Hull Dallas/Buffalo fiasco. The argument against is that it removes the battle in front of the net, but it really just moves it outside the paint.
I hope these playoffs are the push the league needs to finally make the rule change.
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Jeremy Roenicks was saying that Alex pushed Mzarek's pads when trying to hit the puck. Still think it was very bogus the way officials handled that call.
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Man, I wanted the Preds to win but that OT was some of the most entertaining hockey all year, holy cow.
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And....I already detest every Stars player....even just looking at them makes me angry
:lol :lol
Honestly, i prefer the international rules where as soon as a player enters the crease it's a whistle. No possible chance of interference, and no possible chance of ridiculous issues like the Brett Hull Dallas/Buffalo fiasco. The argument against is that it removes the battle in front of the net, but it really just moves it outside the paint.
I hope these playoffs are the push the league needs to finally make the rule change.
Good God, no. That would be awful. Too many great goals would be disallowed because of incidental "in the crease" actions. The way they do it now is great, last night's bizarre ruling notwithstanding.
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3rd & 4th shift saved us tonight. They played with tenacity.
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There wouldn't be any incidental in the crease disallowed goals because it's a dead play as soon as a player enters the crease, regardless of what's going on in the play or which team has possession. The difference in the old NHL rule was that players could be in the paint so long as there wasn't a goal on the play or something stupid like that. The international rule is no skates in the paint period. Goalie interference goal reviews don't exist in the IIHF, so it obviously works.
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Toronto is out. Wonder why Babcock didnt switch lines earlier or let Matthews, Nylander and Tavares play more minutes. I know think Babcock is an overrated coach.
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Good lord I’d be ticked if I were a Vegas fan. Don’t know how you give Eakins a 5 minute misconduct because Pavelski couldn’t stay on his feet.
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4 GOALS IN 4 MINUTES!!!!! PAYBACK BITCHES!!!! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol Pavelski's injury was the kick in the ass the Sharks needed!
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4 GOALS IN 4 MINUTES!!!!! PAYBACK BITCHES!!!! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol Pavelski's injury was the kick in the ass the Sharks needed!
Amazing turn of events but that call was highly questionable.
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This is the type of series that turns division-mates into rivals. San Jose/Vegas has the potential to be one of the marquee rivalries in the league.
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Yeah, that was definitely one of the craziest games I've ever seen. Vegas got screwed for sure with that bogus penalty, and I'd have more sympathy if that happened to just about any other team. Their fans have had very little to complain about for the team's brief history and so it's about time they start spending some time in Heartbreak Station like the rest of us. The other Game 7 tonight was far less exciting, and even though I picked Boston to win the Cup on my bracket, I was kinda hoping that Toronto could finally slay that beast.
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For once the other team choked INSTEAD of the Sharks!
Vegas fans are going to be like Saints fans: blaming the end of their season on a ref. But they had plenty of chances to take the Sharks down and didn't.
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What a game 7. Here are my thoughts that I posted in another forum as the Sharks was scoring their goals.
Oh boy. That's one. I don't see them getting two more in a row, but the major penalty and Pavelski out could cause the Sharks to deal a lot of pain.
NO WAY FRIKEN WAY. This is the Sharks we are talking about. Like I'm going to believe that they can get three straight in this time of game. Yes, they were able to complete a huge comeback in 2011 (me and my huge diarrhea problem back then felt such huge pain).
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This can't be happening right now. How can a team melt down so hard at a critical time?
As for the major call. Man, that's going to a tough one for the Golden Knights to swallow, but regardless the call was right or not, they should have had the mental fortitude to make good plays to clear the puck and kill the clock. They had the Sharks reeling. You just cannot give them life in some ways, shape or form. They will make you pay hard. I felt that pain back in 2011 in Game 3 when they played the Kings. I had horrible diarrhea issues to make it worst so I felt huge pain when the Sharks won that one. To let in 4 goals in that time frame is just absurd and should never happened. Reminds me of that time the Kings scored three Power Play goals (and they always suck in the power play) off a major penalty from the Devils (boarding to Scuderi) in Game 6 in 2012 that led them to win the cup, but at least, that call wasn't as controversial as the Pavelski injury that led to the major.
All right, since I didn't have a rooting interest in that Sharks/Golden Knights series for obvious reasons, I can go back to rooting against the Sharks and root for the Avs in this one.
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I didn't stay up for the game, but after seeing the highlights just now, that might be the worst call I have ever seen in a playoff game in any sport. A 5-minute major for barely touching the guy who tumbled and fell wrong? That is unbelievable. If I were a Vegas fan, I would have lost my mind over that. That makes the non-call in the Saints/Rams game earlier this year look like nothing. Wow.
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For once the other team choked INSTEAD of the Sharks!
Vegas fans are going to be like Saints fans: blaming the end of their season on a ref. But they had plenty of chances to take the Sharks down and didn't.
You can’t say Vegas choked. No way. They had a dominant 3-0 lead on the road in a Game 7 with 10 minutes to go and had the rug pulled out from under them by that horrible call. At worst that was a 2 minute cross checking call...if that. Pavelski had just been ROCKED by a check the shift before and was undoubtedly still feeling the effects of it.....he stood straight up from the draw and fell rather simply when checked. Had he not hit his head and been knocked out cold that play continues with no whistle and no call. The Refs were letting both teams get away with murder in that game....the fact they threw that call on Vegas right there was pretty bad.
I would be livid were I a Vegas fan. Like Kev said....that call is up there with the non pass interference call on the Rams vs the Saints.
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For once the other team choked INSTEAD of the Sharks!
There is still plenty of time left for the Sharks to choke. You know the ancient Chinese proverb:
The sun will rise, the sun will fall
The tide will come, and the tide will go
The Sharks will make the playoffs, and the Sharks will choke out laughably
I was rooting for the Knights, but again, that 3rd period and OT was nuts, great to watch. After that long PK Fleury looked shaky the rest of the game, and although he was overall better than Jones it's no surprise the he let in the final goal of the series. Also a great example of what fresh legs deep into OT can do. Guy basically played next to nothing all night and as a result was able to breeze cleanly be the defense.
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That has been Andre-Fleury's career problem: when he is clutch, he is unstoppable. When he is cold, man, the guy lets in very soft goals.
Unfortunate fall for Pavelski but that shouldn't have been a penalty. However, Vegas had 3 games to close the series out. It was a great series.
The Sharks are going as far as Martin Jones will take them. He might be the weakest link in the Shark's overall game.
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The Sharks scored 4 goals in 4:01. Even if the penalty was a double minor, nothing would have changed.
The injury fired up the Sharks and Vegas couldn't contain them. It ain't the ref's fault Vegas didn't kill the penalty. Just like it ain't the ref's fault the Saints threw an INT and didn't stop the Rams in OT. Stop blaming the refs for failing to stop the opponent.
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Terrible call, but as has been mentioned, VGK had plenty of opportunities to put this one to bed before, during and after that call. Plus... how many times do you see 4 goals scored in a major penalty? That's ridiculous - and part of THAT falls on VGK to own. Winners overcome their obstacles; losers blame them.
As for the Leafs ... welp. This was exactly the outcome I knew 100% was going to happen after they couldn't put the Bruins away on Sunday. More later. I got work to do sadly.
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The Sharks scored 4 goals in 4:01. Even if the penalty was a double minor, nothing would have changed.
I agree that Vegas should have done better in killing the penalty, but that's a straight up untrue statement.
If it was a double minor Vegas would have been at full strength with a 3-2 lead, not with a 3-4 deficit.
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The Sharks scored 4 goals in 4:01. Even if the penalty was a double minor, nothing would have changed.
I agree that Vegas should have done better in killing the penalty, but that's a straight up untrue statement.
If it was a double minor Vegas would have been at full strength with a 3-2 lead, not with a 3-4 deficit.
I get the point that Vegas still needed to perform. Deal with it and perform. I get it. But to dismiss the fact that San Jose was dead in the water in that game and at that point in the game....just watching their season tick down.....then are handed a gift wrapped PP....5 minute major at that on a call that should have never been made....to ignore the fact that Vegas was completely blindsided and hijacked by that call is not intellectually honest.
Again I get the sentiment that Vegas has multiple chances to close the series out and they failed to rise to the occasion and not let 4 goals in in 4 minutes. Got it. But think of that exact scenario happening to your team and tell me you wouldn’t be livid? It was a crock of :censored
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I personally like the fact SJ won because out of those two teams they are the least scary to have to face considering the state of their health/players and goaltending.
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I'm a Sharks fan so obviously I'm happy with the outcome. 4 goals in in 4 minutes is unacceptable regardless of the penalty or not. Plus, Vegas tied it to get to OT and could have won it there.
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Again I get the sentiment that Vegas has multiple chances to close the series out and they failed to rise to the occasion and not let 4 goals in in 4 minutes. Got it. But think of that exact scenario happening to your team and tell me you wouldn’t be livid? It was a crock of :censored
From my observations, the Sharks had their fair share of controversial calls that didn't go their way that cost them games in the series against the Kings in 2013 and 2014. I recall Game 2 in 2013 where Kings were on the power play, trailing behind 3-2, with the last minutes of the game, and there was some controversy where the puck was out of play and it was either Jeff Carter tipped it out or one of the Sharks tipped it out. If the refs deemed the Sharks play it out, it would be deemed a delay of game call. Refs ruled it as Delay of Game on the Sharks. Kings went on a 5 on 3 and converted both those times to literally steal the game 2 win from the Sharks. I am not going to complain about that since obviously Kings on the game, but I don't blame the Sharks for being livid at the time.
Another instance was Game 6 in the 2014 series. Tied game in the 3rd. Was a solidly played game for both teams. Justin Williams poked the puck between the goalie's legs and it looked like he may have pushed the goalie while attempting to poke the puck in the goal. Sharks wanted goalie interference on that one, refs stated the goal was a good one, and then Kopitar turned it up and scored two straight goals. Once again, I don't blame the Sharks and their fans for being livid on the Williams goal. Heck, the Kings got screwed in a regular season game against the Red Wings back in late 2013, I think. Puck was clearly out of play, but it hit the netting, the puck landed on the back of Quick's neck and went in the goal. Refs deemed that a good goal with no further review (which was absolutely horses***), , tying the game and the Red Wings won in OT.
It really sucks when these kinds of referee judgment calls has been made and it wouldn't hurt if these calls are more consistent, but that's always a uphill battle to face.
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I agree, it was a crock of shit call. But to put the blame SOLELY on the refs for that just shifting the blame. How many 5-minute majors give up 4 goals. C'mon... THAT is on VGK, not the refs. Yes, Vegas fans have a right to be pissed... but not SOLELY at the call. How many teams have a BS call against them but *still* win (Boston had a BS non-goaltending interference call go against them in Game 5 ... still they came back and won 2 games to take the series).
Jesus Gary, now I'm pissed at you now for making me use Boston to validate my point!!!
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I agree, it was a crock of shit call. But to put the blame SOLELY on the refs for that just shifting the blame. How many 5-minute majors give up 4 goals. C'mon... THAT is on VGK, not the refs. Yes, Vegas fans have a right to be pissed... but not SOLELY at the call. How many teams have a BS call against them but *still* win (Boston had a BS non-goaltending interference call go against them in Game 5 ... still they came back and won 2 games to take the series).
Jesus Gary, now I'm pissed at you now for making me use Boston to validate my point!!!
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:lol My work is done.
Like I said....I totally get it. Vegas still needed to perform and rise to the occasion. They blew a 3 games to 1 lead.....it really is their 'fault' they lost the series. I'd still be ticked if I were a Vegas fan because if not for that call I don't see SJ making a come back in that game were they to continue playing the way they were playing. Good on them to use that moment as a rallying call....but that moment should have never happened.
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:lol
Thanks Gary, That just made my day. LOL
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I agree, it was a crock of shit call. But to put the blame SOLELY on the refs for that just shifting the blame. How many 5-minute majors give up 4 goals. C'mon... THAT is on VGK, not the refs. Yes, Vegas fans have a right to be pissed... but not SOLELY at the call. How many teams have a BS call against them but *still* win (Boston had a BS non-goaltending interference call go against them in Game 5 ... still they came back and won 2 games to take the series).
Jesus Gary, now I'm pissed at you now for making me use Boston to validate my point!!!
:lol My work is done.
I hope Zucarello goes all Nick Kypreos on Binnington. :P
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I agree, it was a crock of shit call. But to put the blame SOLELY on the refs for that just shifting the blame. How many 5-minute majors give up 4 goals. C'mon... THAT is on VGK, not the refs. Yes, Vegas fans have a right to be pissed... but not SOLELY at the call. How many teams have a BS call against them but *still* win (Boston had a BS non-goaltending interference call go against them in Game 5 ... still they came back and won 2 games to take the series).
Jesus Gary, now I'm pissed at you now for making me use Boston to validate my point!!!
:lol My work is done.
I hope Zucarello goes all Nick Kypreos on Binnington. :P
:omg: Watch your tongue Mr! You know dang well that’s entirely possible, especially with the Blues showing promise.
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I'm kidding of course.... I just had to snipe back with something. :lol
You know I'm on team Blues now. And not the Jackets.
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I'm kidding of course.... I just had to snipe back with something. :lol
You know I'm on team Blues now. And not the Jackets.
:tup
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I don't know how ya'll are doing, but this first round wrecked my picks. Even IF game 7 goes my way tonight my best case scenario is 3 out of 8.
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East
Tampa Bay v. Columbus
Boston v. Toronto
Washington v. Carolina
New York v. Pittsburgh
West (going complete opposite of you here pg)
Calgary v. Colorado
San Jose v. Las Vegas
Nashville v. Dallas
Winnipeg v. St. Louis
3-4 in the West. TBD for the east. I have a feeling the Canes are gonna pull out the upset. Washington has looked too inconsistent.
I'm in a pool with 76 people, that allowed for 20 picks. No one still has 20 players, and 4 people are already lost all their players. Crazy with all the upsets. If the Canes do pull out the upset, that's all 4 #1 seeds gone.
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East
Tampa Bay v. Columbus
Boston v. Toronto
Washington v. Carolina
New York v. Pittsburgh
West
Calgary v. Colorado
San Jose v. Las Vegas
Nashville v. Dallas
Winnipeg v. St. Louis
Missed Vegas and Tampa Bay. See about Washington tonight.
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Carolina turning into a pumpkin tonight.
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It just feels like Carolina is gonna win this somehow.
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God I hope so. The Caps are the only team in the league that the Bruins cannot beat.
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Since the Canes are getting all of the chances in OT, they are bound to lose.
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The Sharks scored 4 goals in 4:01. Even if the penalty was a double minor, nothing would have changed.
I agree that Vegas should have done better in killing the penalty, but that's a straight up untrue statement.
If it was a double minor Vegas would have been at full strength with a 3-2 lead, not with a 3-4 deficit.
Yea I forgot it would have been cancelled. Emotions overruled intellect, sorry.
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Nice hearing The Enemy Inside during that TV timeout
Really happy to see Carolina win
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Nice hearing The Enemy Inside during that TV timeout
Really happy to see Carolina win
I loved Seek And Destroy during the game intro, and Brass Monkey during one of the breaks.
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I think I heard Alter Bridge's Isolation before a faceoff drop as well. This arena has got some good tracks to play. I think it's safe to say the Hurricanes earned that goal. They were playing really well in the OTs, in comparison to the 3rd where they got slaughtered in shots.
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2 for 8, need to be perfect from here on out just to get above .500. That said the Islanders are the only pick I feel strongly about, so I'll probably get wrecked again this round.
Islanders
Columbus
St. Louis
Colorado
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East
Tampa Bay v. Columbus
Boston v. Toronto
Washington v. Carolina
New York v. Pittsburgh
West
Calgary v. Colorado
San Jose v. Las Vegas
Nashville v. Dallas
Winnipeg v. St. Louis
Missed Vegas and Tampa Bay. See about Washington tonight.
4 for 8
Islanders v. Hurricaines
Boston v. Columbus
Colorado v. San Jose
Blues v. Stars
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Islanders over Hurricanes
Blue Jackets over Bruins
Blues over Stars
Sharks over Avalanche
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Islanders v. Hurricaines
Boston v. Columbus
Colorado v. San Jose
Blues v. Stars
I hope I'm wrong about Boston, but I just don't think Columbus is *that* good.
Blues/Stars is the only series I'm interested in watching.
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8:30 pm local start times for two of the first four Blues/Stars games on a work night. Thanks a lot for proving once again that you don't give a shit about the fans, NHL. :tdwn :tdwn
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8:30 pm local start times for two of the first four Blues/Stars games on a work night. Thanks a lot for proving once again that you don't give a shit about the fans, NHL. :tdwn :tdwn
Man what a crappy start time.
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Thanks NBC.
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8:30 pm local start times for two of the first four Blues/Stars games on a work night. Thanks a lot for proving once again that you don't give a shit about the fans, NHL. :tdwn :tdwn
Man what a crappy start time.
Don’t forget about the 2:00 pm CT on Saturday. Smack dab in the middle of the day. Like you’re supposed to drop everything and all responsibilities to watch the game.
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8:30 pm local start times for two of the first four Blues/Stars games on a work night. Thanks a lot for proving once again that you don't give a shit about the fans, NHL. :tdwn :tdwn
I hope it's just a one-off game with that start time. NFL draft is today so all the hype with the 1st 3 picks will be gone when the NHL game starts. NFL draft is being televised by 3 networks. It kind of makes sense to have a later start time for this occasion.
Game 3 in Dallas is at 7pm Central which is not bad.
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:lol I just noticed the thread title change :clap: Nice work Chad :tup
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I'm sure the Sharks will find a way to blow it as usual. One finals in 20+ tries.
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Damn man. The B' dominated the 1st snd only got a goal. Bit them in the ass in the 3rd so far.
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Well, at least Coyle made up for his fuck up.
Fucking OT?? That's just great.
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Well, at least Coyle made up for his fuck up.
Fucking OT?? That's just great.
He sure did. I'm dying here.
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I wonder what would happen if the Bruins/Jackets OT would last as long as the entirety of the Blues/Stars game since both games are scheduled on the NBC Sports Network back to back.
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8:30 pm local start times for two of the first four Blues/Stars games on a work night. Thanks a lot for proving once again that you don't give a shit about the fans, NHL. :tdwn :tdwn
Try 8:45pm. WTF!
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I wonder what would happen if the Bruins/Jackets OT would last as long as the entirety of the Blues/Stars game since both games are scheduled on the NBC Sports Network back to back.
You know what would happen? I'd pass out dead.
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YYYYYEEEEESSSSS!!!
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And we missed Blues scoring a goal for those watching on TV and on Youtube TV. Nicely done, NBC.
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And we missed Blues scoring a goal for those watching on TV and on Youtube TV. Nicely done, NBC.
Horrible. And the NBC Sports App crashed. F’n BS.
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The NHL and NBCSN can both eat a dick.
It's 2019, yet they can't figure out a way for fans of a team in the second round to see entire playoff games.
This is why the NHL is, as my brother often says, a garbage league.
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The NHL and NBCSN can both eat a dick.
It's 2019, yet they can't figure out a way for fans of a team in the second round to see entire playoff games.
Gee, I had no problem. :neverusethis: :lol
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5 down. 11 to go.
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That second goal Taransenko scored last night was absolutely filthy. Too bad the announcers don't give a crap about the Blues, otherwise we would have gotten a great play call of it.
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That second goal Taransenko scored last night was absolutely filthy. Too bad the announcers don't give a crap about the Blues, otherwise we would have gotten a great play call of it.
To be fair....that announcing crew was horrible all around.
That was a great goal though.
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Bruins playing like ass tonight.
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Bobrovski is fucking ridiculous!
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Just got home from the drive in and this game is still going. Crazy.
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Just in time to see them lose. Crap.
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Just got home from the drive in and this game is still going. Crazy.
How was Jaws? :P
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Just got home from the drive in and this game is still going. Crazy.
How was Jaws? :P
Idk, I closed my eyes the whole time.
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Just got home from the drive in and this game is still going. Crazy.
How was Jaws? :P
:lol
I actually saw Jaws 2 at the drive in.
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Btw Kev that would be Cannonball Run & Tron. ;D
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6d/05/e0/6d05e01376b8893fc86893c4e142a2d3.gif)
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Pretty sure I saw The Deep at the drive in too. ;D
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I was conceived at a drive in......so thankful that a storm rolled through that night and left two very young people with nothing else really to do. The show was ‘Play it Again Sam’.
I’ve often used the phrase ‘I went to the Drive in with my Dad and came home with my Mom’. :lol
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I was conceived at a drive in......so thankful that a storm rolled through that night and left two very young people with nothing else really to do. The show was ‘Play it Again Sam’.
I’ve often used the phrase ‘I went to the Drive in with my Dad and came home with my Mom’. :lol
Holy shit. :lol :lol :lol
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:lol
That's funny.
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The Islanders are the only pick I feel strongly about
Would anyone care to guess what series is the only one not tied at 1-1 right now?
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Holy Heart Rate Batman!!!!!
6 down. 10 to go.
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That third period was something else.
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I must say that Craig Berube looks like such a fucking bad ass behind the bench.
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That third period was something else.
Something else......more like anxiety city.
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Maybe it was your sense of dread that Maroon sensed then. :lol
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This Columbus team has been really impressive and fun to watch, I'd love to see them go on to win this series. If they can make it past Boston, it seems very likely that they could represent the East in the finals.
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The refs blew the call on the goal. You can't review picks that might have hit the net. Every goal should be reviewable by the league office. Cost the B's.
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The refs blew the call on the goal. You can't review picks that might have hit the net. Every goal should be reviewable by the league office. Cost the B's.
They should've challenged Goaltender Interference.
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That goal changed the momentum.
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The Bruins should just decline the next penalty. WTF!
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My brother just texted me the same thing! :lol
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The B's season hangs in the balance on this PK.
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Wow. It was 1-1 at the end of the 1st for Hurricanes/Islanders when I ordered my dinner. After I got my dinner, tuned into the NHL radio network on Sirius XM, it became 4-1 Canes with 10 minutes to go in the 2nd. How in the world did the Canes got this good of a run going in that time frame against the team that swept the Penguins?
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I was thinking the same thing, I can't believe this Islanders team is going to be swept by the Hurricanes after such a stunning upset of the Penguins.
The NHL seems to be way less predictable than the NFL and NBA have been lately, which is part of why I love it so much.
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The Callahan boys are going to game 5!! My brother, nephew and myself!! Boy am I stocked for this!! We are surprising my nephew when I show up at the house!!
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The Callahan boys are going to game 5!! My brother, nephew and myself!! Boy am I stocked for this!! We are surprising my nephew when I show up at the house!!
:metal
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The Callahan boys are going to game 5!! My brother, nephew and myself!! Boy am I stocked for this!! We are surprising my nephew when I show up at the house!!
Awesome sauce. He's gonna love it. A memory he'll cherish forever.
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The Callahan boys are going to game 5!! My brother, nephew and myself!! Boy am I stocked for this!! We are surprising my nephew when I show up at the house!!
With any luck, he will enjoy a Blue Jackets victory :P, but hope he has fun regardless. :hat
In other news, the Blues fought hard last night, but Bishop played out of his mind. The Blues epic ride since January is now on the verge of ending.
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I'm so excited to go with my brother and nephew. To see the joy of a 7 year old. I have such great memories of my dad taking me as a 7 year old to the B's/Red Wings in 1975.
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I went to far more MISL games back in the early to mid 80's than I did NHL games, but I still remember that my first live Blues game was against the Hartford Whalers. We won 6-1 or 7-1 (cannot remember which for sure).
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That's why I'm so excited. To see the joy in my nephew's eyes. Hockey is his life right now.
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End of 2. Dammit, I'm nervous. Time to scream!!
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Bobrovski is out of his fucking mind. Holy shit. That post to post save on Johansson, and then again on Bergeron from the corner was ridiculous.
Can't believe Krejci slipped that one by him.
And David Backes is so handsome. :heart :heart :heart
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Man, I'm gassed. What a game.
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That was an amazing 3rd period. I thought both goalies looked unstoppable, then both offenses said "uh unh'.
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Both were unreal. We were all sitting on our hands a little bit in the second period when Columbus took it too us but Rask was unreal.
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And David Backes is so handsome. :heart :heart :heart
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qfCd_Har3QU/TovfzXaVp8I/AAAAAAAAK6M/7dN8nn1Dshk/s1600/American%2BPie%2B18.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPJbwU1WcAEcICF.png:large)
:P :P
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Goddamn, those are two big..um..fans behind the Stars bench. Not sure how Jim Armstrong can keep abreast of his team. ;D
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Goddamn, those are two big..um..fans behind the Stars bench. Not sure how Jim Armstrong can keep abreast of his team. ;D
Two boobs behind the bench to match the two boob Refs officiating this game. Some horrid calls being made.
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The goalie interference call was weak. Ben Bishop is the biggest fucking flopper ever. And apparently if you tap a guy on the skates, it's best to do down right away.
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The Blues pitiful power play makes me want to karate chop myself in the throat, but the Blues gutted out a big win today. Bring on Game 7!
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The Blues pitiful power play makes me want to karate chop myself in the throat, but the Blues gutted out a big win today. Bring on Game 7!
Yeah. Dallas can’t hang 5 on 5 and the Blues lose all momentum when they get a PP
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I'm so glad we got Mike Emrick and not Pierre Maguire doing the Bruins series and not the other way around.
Brian Boucher is excellent. So I don't learn where a guy plays Pee Wee or Bantam, but I think I can live with that.
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7 down...9 to go
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Tuukka playing like an elite goalie tonight.
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Not a smart play by McAvoy. Bruins dodged a huge bullet.
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If the B's win, he will miss game 1.
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I'd rather him miss game 1 against Carolina than Game 7 against Columbus. the B's better win.
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(https://i.imgur.com/Yx2UhdD.jpg)
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WOOOOOOTTT!!
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Rask was unreal. He looked like regular-season Vasilevsky.
At least the Celtics lost. :lol
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Kev and G, ya'll can breathe again
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(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/1*Wbc1nvGveyFRlehirtpCQg.jpeg)
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Kev and G, ya'll can breathe again
Holy Cow! My body hurts.
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8 down, 8 to go
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The first website, and first thread that I had to....no needed to check in on tonight.
Happy for you guys.
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Was away Thu-Mon and only got to see a period here or there of games. After catching up on some other stuff I got to watch the 3rd on tonight, what a game. Really strong shifts one way or the other in who was controlling play. Congrats to the Blues.
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The first website, and first thread that I had to....no needed to check in on tonight.
Happy for you guys.
Thanks. Was texting with Chad saying that was setting up to be one of the most crushing losses ever given the Blues were dominating that game and it still went into double OT
Would have been crushed. Instead elated
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Damn that was an awesome game. Bishop was as unbelievable as any goalie this post-season. The shell-shocked look on his face after that goal. I almost feel bad for him.
But... YAY Blues!!!
The first website, and first thread that I had to....no needed to check in on tonight.
Happy for you guys.
Thanks. Was texting with Chad saying that was setting up to be one of the most crushing losses ever given the Blues were dominating that game and it still went into double OT
Would have been crushed. Instead elated
Ahh... the extreme joys of playoff hockey
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Damn that was an awesome game. Bishop was as unbelievable as any goalie this post-season. The shell-shocked look on his face after that goal. I almost feel bad for him.
No almost about it. He carried his team while they took 35 minutes off.
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well, the 'almost' part was because I didn't want them to win. :biggrin:
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Here's how I think the Ken Holland hiring decision went down in Edmonton:
A conversation between Oilers Owner Daryl Katz (aka the Red Skull from Captain America) and President Bob Nicholson
Katz: "Fans are really pissed off, Bob. What can we do?"
Bob: "Hmm, I'm not really sure."
*lengthy, awkward silence*
Katz: "I've got it!! We need to make a big splash to distract everyone from our ineptitude. Can we hire some big name to come to town to appease the fans?"
Bob: "Great idea, Daryl. I'm personal friends with Ken Holland. I'll give him a call"
Daryl: "Wait, won't fans be even more pissed off with that hiring? I mean, they've been complaining about us hiring our old friends and all these old time hockey guys since the early 00's."
Bob: "Oh, but this time it'll be different. Sure, the guy is old enough to be McDavid's grandfather, has a poor track record over the last decade, and has no concept of how the current era NHL works, but I'm sure it'll be fine. It's Ken Holland, afterall."
And so begins the next 10 years of no playoffs :(
And I realize it may be insensitive to make fun of a man with a serious health problem, but the dude seriously looks like the Red Skull.
(https://i.imgur.com/4KCmwu2.jpg)
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Congrats Kev and Gary. I really liked what what Maroon brought to the Devils last year and was sad to see him go in the offseason, happy to see him stepping up :tup
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Congrats Kev and Gary. I really liked what what Maroon brought to the Devils last year and was sad to see him go in the offseason, happy to see him stepping up :tup
:tup That was a pretty cool moment for him. His son was there....he scores a huge goal for his home town team.....real happy for him. That line of he, Thomas and Bozak has become quite the grinding line.
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The amazing thing is that the Blues have somehow gotten to the conference finals despite two of their top offensive players (Schenn and O'Reilly) being largely invisible for long stretches, although Schenn played well last night.
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Hopefully we get a DTF themed Blues/Bruins Finals!
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Tag Team Steal cage! :lol
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Tag Team Steal cage! :lol
It would be epic
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Tag Team Steal cage! :lol
It would be epic
For two of us..
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Shut it wuss.
Gary if it does happen let's do a Twitter avatar bet.
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Twitter? Like no way, that would be so rad.
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Tim I'll call you later with your string and tin can. Make sure you are next to it.
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I just lit the firepit in the back yard. Just gotta find an old blanket and I'll get right back to you.
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I'll take a T!
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WHOOOO. GAME 7 today! For obvious reasons, I need the Sharks to lose. I feel like they stuck around way longer than they should have and the moment people should have finished them off when they had the chance, that's the moment the Sharks get momentum again. It's time to kill that.
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Shut it wuss.
Gary if it does happen let's do a Twitter avatar bet.
I’m down. Let’s just hope for it to happen
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Crossing fingers.
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That overturned Colorado goal was ROUGH! Huge momentum change. From what I could see (which was hopefully less clear that what the NHL had access to), it was too close to reverse.
Hopefully the Avs catch fire in the third period.
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Let's go Sharks!!! :metal :metal :metal
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Sharks vs Blues. Two of my favorite teams in the West and the entire league. Hopefully one of these teams can finally bring their fan base the joy of winning a championship. I can’t even stomach the idea of Boston winning three out of four championships over the course of a year.
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Man Count. Boston is in your head. Bask in the suckitude of the Celtics.
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Sharks vs Blues. Two of my favorite teams in the West and the entire league. Hopefully one of these teams can finally bring their fan base the joy of winning a championship. I can’t even stomach the idea of Boston winning three out of four championships over the course of a year.
I could've typed this word for word. I've been a quasi-Sharks fan since they got the franchise. I decided that I'd be a fan from the get-go, and not be a band-wagon jumper just when they got good. Every year, I'm (at the very least) casually rooting for them, but not this serious. Blues all the way. But more importantly, A.B.B. Anyone. But. Boston. God I hate all of their franchises. When the fuck did Marchand think he was Belichick? I don't think I hate any player as much as I hate him - because of his personality. I respect the hell out of his talent and skills, but man, what a Grade-A douche that guy is.
Bask in the suckitude of the Celtics.
I'm basking hard this morning.
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Not to talk basketball on a hockey thread but the C's are unlikable right now. The piss poor attitudes from the players are the opposite of what the B's players bring.
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Not to talk basketball on a hockey thread but the C's are unlikable right now. The piss poor attitudes from the players are the opposite of what the B's players bring.
I hate to burst your bubble Broseph, but *all* Boston teams are unlikable ... ALL the time. :lol
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Not to talk basketball on a hockey thread but the C's are unlikable right now. The piss poor attitudes from the players are the opposite of what the B's players bring.
I hate to burst your bubble Broseph, but *all* Boston teams are unlikable ... ALL the time. :lol
:lol
You just hate Mushmouth. He's like Ken Linesman. You hated him on other teams but when he's on your team he's your "rat." :lol
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Don't get me wrong ... I'd love to have his talent, and in-game grit on 'my' team. But I'd hate to have his personality - and the cheap shit he does like the recent punch in the back of the head, or the face-licking. Makes me want to reach thru the screen and cunt-punch him.
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I don't care which wins the cup, but given these finals I know exactly who I'm rooting for this round, go Canes and Blues.
Currently 3 for 12, far and away the worst I've ever done in picking playoff series.
In spite of what I'm hoping for, my official picks are for the Blues and Bruins.
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Don't get me wrong ... I'd love to have his talent, and in-game grit on 'my' team. But I'd hate to have his personality - and the cheap shit he does like the recent punch in the back of the head, or the face-licking. Makes me want to reach thru the screen and cunt-punch him.
Oh I get it. He even plays into the bad guy role as well. Waving at fans when they boo him. he likes it.
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Man Count. Boston is in your head. Bask in the suckitude of the Celtics.
I’m a New Yorker and a Jets and Yankees fan. It’s not in my head. It’s in my blood.
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Me too. We haven't had a good hate between teams in a while. Maybe Sox/Yankees.
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Can the refs stop calling these penalties they should let go in the playoffs?! That's not roughing. Jesus H...
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Other than Kuraly punching the guy, it was a brutal call! :lol
Seriously, the Canes guy got a way with a cheap shot.
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Slew foot to Krug but I'd rather they let them play. As long as they don't call plays like that Kuraly call.
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Canes have gotten away with a ton of shit so far.
Bruins have been brutal at the dot.
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Another suck ass 2nd period by the B's.
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Currently 3 for 12, far and away the worst I've ever done in picking playoff series.
In spite of what I'm hoping for, my official picks are for the Blues and Bruins.
Please don't pick the Bruins! :lol
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Another suck ass 2nd period by the B's.
Yup. The Canes are beating them to the pucks and the bodies.
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It still grosses me out that the Sharks won the 1st round because of that awful call in Game 7, and now they've made it to the 3rd round where they'll probably knock out my Blues just to annoy me even further. :censored :censored
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It still grosses me out that the Sharks won the 1st round because of that awful call in Game 7, and now they've made it to the 3rd round where they'll probably knock out my Blues just to annoy me even further. :censored :censored
The Sharks ‘might’ win two games this series. They haven’t played a team as deep as the Blues yet that can roll four lines on you....four tough lines.
Not saying the Sharks are a push over....but I’ve watched a lot of their games this post season in anticipation of playing them. Should the Blues just continue playing how they’ve been playing it’ll be ok in my mind.
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It still grosses me out that the Sharks won the 1st round because of that awful call in Game 7, and now they've made it to the 3rd round where they'll probably knock out my Blues just to annoy me even further. :censored :censored
The Sharks ‘might’ win two games this series. They haven’t played a team as deep as the Blues yet that can roll four lines on you....four tough lines.
Not saying the Sharks are a push over....but I’ve watched a lot of their games this post season in anticipation of playing them. Should the Blues just continue playing how they’ve been playing it’ll be ok in my mind.
Please don't do this. :lol :lol
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:lol
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I want Carolina to win the series to further piss off Don Cherry and because I don't want to ever see Marchand hoist a cup again
Really want St. Louis to win because I love the fact that in January, it was draft lottery talk, now we're talking about Conference Finals and hopefully cup finals. Love the story there.
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What a swing in the 3rd!
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It still grosses me out that the Sharks won the 1st round because of that awful call in Game 7, and now they've made it to the 3rd round where they'll probably knock out my Blues just to annoy me even further. :censored :censored
The Sharks ‘might’ win two games this series. They haven’t played a team as deep as the Blues yet that can roll four lines on you....four tough lines.
Not saying the Sharks are a push over....but I’ve watched a lot of their games this post season in anticipation of playing them. Should the Blues just continue playing how they’ve been playing it’ll be ok in my mind.
Please don't do this. :lol :lol
:lol At this point I’m over jinx’s or anything superstitious. Sharks could sweep the Blues as far as I know.....all I know is I felt a lot more nervous playing the Stars than I do the Sharks.
Let’s get to the games and see where this takes us.
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Game over. Thank God.
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At this point I’m over jinx’s or anything superstitious.
So speaking of that, I went to pour a beer for the game. For game 4 of the Columbus series, when Backes went in the lineup, I started wearing my Backes shirt and I switched beer mugs.
Anyway, I couldn't find my mug, but then it occurred to me that the dishwasher was running. I asked my wife if my "mug" was in the dishwasher. My wife told me she was cleaning it for the next round.
Cleaning it for the next round?? :omg:
WTF??
I'm like, I'm not washing this shirt!!!!
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My superstitions got the best of me during Double OT with Blues & Stars. I remembered the horror of seeing Yzerman score on the Blues' last Game 7 Double OT, and realized that when the Blues defeated the Blackhawks on Game 7 a few years ago, I was listened to the radio. And so I suddenly turned the TV off and listened to the game instead, and just a few minutes later, Maroon scored :) Let's go Blues! Only eight more glorious Glorias to go--I don't think I'll ever get sick of that tune.
I am also less nervous about the Sharks than the Stars, but then again, it seems that the Sharks are experiencing divine intervention with all these fluky Game 7 calls going their way. That's why we need to get eliminate them fast!
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Watching the World Championships this morning...and I must say, I love Great Britain's uniforms.
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Watching the World Championships this morning...and I must say, I love Great Britain's uniforms.
Kaapo Kakko has scored 5 goals in 2 games, two of them empty-netters. The other three were basically like you want to see all of them, this kid is really special.
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Based on the pre-game chatter by NBC, we Blues fans should be honored that our team gets the distinction of being there while the Sharks get crowned. The slurping of the Sharks is already at nauseating levels.
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Based on the pre-game chatter by NBC, we Blues fans should be honored that our team gets the distinction of being there while the Sharks get crowned. The slurping of the Sharks is already at nauseating levels.
Based on the lackluster effort the Blues are putting forth in this game....someone should remind them that they haven’t won anything yet. Ugly effort going on. Itd be one thing if San Jose were just playing out of their minds but that’s not the case here. Just horrid and sluggish play from the Blues.
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Everyone gets an 'off' night. Hopefully that was Binnington's one (and only) off night.
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Everyone gets an 'off' night. Hopefully that was Binnington's one (and only) off night.
Wasn’t even so much Binnington. They all played like butt. You can’t give a team either the talent SJ has 20 freaking turnovers. Like....unforced....wasn’t even a heavy forecheck or pressure....just really bad plays. Oh well.
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Agreed. The 3rd goal he probably should have stopped (although it looked like he might have gotten screened), but he had no chance on the first two goals, the 4th goal was a spectacular individual play by the goal scorer (cannot remember who, but I have seen Tarasenko score goals like that before), and the 5th goal was just bad luck (Shark threw the pick towards the front of the net and it hit Dunn's skate and ricocheted past him before he could blink.
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Going down 1-0 shouldn't be a bid deal, but the Blues are definitely going to have to up their game.
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Going down 1-0 shouldn't be a bid deal, but the Blues are definitely going to have to up their game.
Yeah. No worries here yet. Now if the same effort shows up in game two I’ll be worried.
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Agreed. The 3rd goal he probably should have stopped (although it looked like he might have gotten screened), but he had no chance on the first two goals, the 4th goal was a spectacular individual play by the goal scorer (cannot remember who, but I have seen Tarasenko score goals like that before), and the 5th goal was just bad luck (Shark threw the pick towards the front of the net and it hit Dunn's skate and ricocheted past him before he could blink.
I dunno... I think Binnington over-played the shooter side on that 1st goal (the 2-1). Both of Meir's goals were unstoppable (killer move; bad luck) - though, on the 3rd with that awesome deke, looks like Parayako could've hustled a little more to put some pressure on Meir's stick? Pavelski's 5-3 pp goal ... yeah, no chance there either.
Go 'Canes!
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Go Canes eh Chad? Lol
6 to go.
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Man that Bruins PP is lethal - 33% for the playoffs.
Well, the 'Canes were down 2-0 to the Caps and came back. Hoping they can replicate that feat, though not optimistic. The Bruins look like they are chugging along quite nicely.
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Two soft goals by Binnington, who is apparently turning into a pumpkin.
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Those are both on our dumbass captain. That awful turnover on the 1st goal completely changed the game.
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Make no mistake, Logan Couture is filthy, but Binnington has to have those. And yes, Pietrangelo looked a little soft too.
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I’ll take a scrappy road W from the Blues....a win is a win.
9 down 7 to go
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Yep, despite Peicrapelo, we managed to get the W. :tup :tup
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I must've shut the TV off right before the Blues scored their 3rd goal. Good for them for steadying the ship and getting the win. I still feel like they have the advantage in goal.
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Sure they do, but the Sharks have a more explosive offence. The Blues only go as far as their D and Binnington take them. That Blues PP was dreadful.
The Bruins should just decline the next penalty. WTF!
This applies to the Blues now. 3 shorties they've given up these playoffs.
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Our power play is wretched. I don’t know why Perron is out there. When he’s on he’s on.....but man, he is pitiful right now. So is #27. I’m no longer calling him by his name.....he’s just #27. I could give a :censored less about how many minutes he eats up or how good he used to be.....he’s now just an above average D man who insists on turning the puck over 5 times a game....of which all lead to quality scoring chances. I declare by all things holy if the Blues re-sign him after next season I’ll gouge my eyes out and spray expanding insulating foam into my ear canal so I cannot see him play or hear his name.
Robert Thomas should take Perron’s spot on the #1 unit.....Paryako should take #27’s.
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Good morning Gary! :lol
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I hope the Sharks win the Stanley Cup for Joe Thornton. He deserves it.
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I hope the Sharks win the Stanley Cup for Joe Thornton. He deserves it.
I guess Perron ‘deserved’ that blind side, cheap shot elbow to the head a few years back also? Honestly, Joe Thornton certainly deserves something but it’s nit his name etched on the Cup.
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I wouldn't have a problem with Thornton getting a Cup but for:
A. It'd be against the Bruins, and
B. that would mean Eric Karlsson gets one too.
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Yeah, I'll just pull for the B's to win to help all you out. :lol
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Our power play is wretched.
'Nuff said.
I hope the Sharks win the Stanley Cup for Joe Thornton. He deserves it.
Deserve's got nothing to do with it.
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I hope the Sharks win the Stanley Cup for Joe Thornton. He deserves it.
Comments like this always bug me. Neither Thornton nor any other athlete "deserves" anything other than what he earns. If his team doesn't win the cup, then he didn't deserve it. It's as simple as that. Plus, Thornton has been nothing but a choke artist since he joined the Sharts. One of only four men in NHL history (and only five in North American sports history) to captain a team to a series loss after having a 3-0 lead.
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I hope the Sharks win the Stanley Cup for Joe Thornton. He deserves it.
Comments like this always bug me. Neither Thornton nor any other athlete "deserves" anything other than what he earns. If his team doesn't win the cup, then he didn't deserve it. It's as simple as that. Plus, Thornton has been nothing but a choke artist since he joined the Sharts. One of only four men in NHL history (and only five in North American sports history) to captain a team to a series loss after having a 3-0 lead.
I get where you're coming from, but there is a flip side, perhaps best shown by a guy like Shane Doan.
Great player who stayed loyal to a team in a non-traditional market, and despite never been given a lot to work with worked his ass off trying to get the Coyotes a cup. You can't say he personally didn't work to a level of a player who could certainly have won a cup, and if anything it was his dedication and loyalty to his team (a good trait) that ultimately cost him a chance.
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I hope the Sharks win the Stanley Cup for Joe Thornton. He deserves it.
Comments like this always bug me. Neither Thornton nor any other athlete "deserves" anything other than what he earns. If his team doesn't win the cup, then he didn't deserve it. It's as simple as that. Plus, Thornton has been nothing but a choke artist since he joined the Sharts. One of only four men in NHL history (and only five in North American sports history) to captain a team to a series loss after having a 3-0 lead.
I know Jeter is the one outside of hockey, and Ovechkin is one of the guys from the NHL, but who were the other two?
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Chara, for one.
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That damn Flyers series.
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And they were up 3-0 in Game 7!!
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That damn Flyers series.
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It all turned when Gagne returned from injury and Krejhi went out with one.
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I hope the Sharks win the Stanley Cup for Joe Thornton. He deserves it.
Comments like this always bug me. Neither Thornton nor any other athlete "deserves" anything other than what he earns. If his team doesn't win the cup, then he didn't deserve it. It's as simple as that. Plus, Thornton has been nothing but a choke artist since he joined the Sharts. One of only four men in NHL history (and only five in North American sports history) to captain a team to a series loss after having a 3-0 lead.
I get where you're coming from, but there is a flip side, perhaps best shown by a guy like Shane Doan.
Great player who stayed loyal to a team in a non-traditional market, and despite never been given a lot to work with worked his ass off trying to get the Coyotes a cup. You can't say he personally didn't work to a level of a player who could certainly have won a cup, and if anything it was his dedication and loyalty to his team (a good trait) that ultimately cost him a chance.
I see where you're coming from with respect to Doan. I hated him as an opponent, but that's because he always played my team tough. The loyalty thing is commendable, and it's a personal choice. The same can be said for Tony Gwynn. Ultimately, though, and despite all the good things associated with them, neither was good enough to lead an otherwise unremarkable team to a championship. In fact, outside of 2012, the Coyotes have never even won a playoff series. Gwynn's Padres at least made it to the World Series twice (although they only made the playoffs one other time in Gwynn's career).
The other guy that I thought about was Ray Borque. Before winning in Colorado, did Borque "deserve" a Cup?
Comments like this always bug me. Neither Thornton nor any other athlete "deserves" anything other than what he earns. If his team doesn't win the cup, then he didn't deserve it. It's as simple as that. Plus, Thornton has been nothing but a choke artist since he joined the Sharts. One of only four men in NHL history (and only five in North American sports history) to captain a team to a series loss after having a 3-0 lead.
I know Jeter is the one outside of hockey, and Ovechkin is one of the guys from the NHL, but who were the other two?
In addition to Jeter:
1. Eddie Goodfellow, captain of the 1941-42 Detroit Red Wings (blew 3-0 lead over Toronto in Stanley Cup Final)
2. Ron Schock, captain of the 1974-75 Pittsburgh Penguins (blew 3-0 lead over NYI in quarter-finals)
3. Zdeno Chara, captain of the 2009-10 Boston Bruins (blew 3-0 lead over Philadelphia in conference semi-finals)
4. Joe Thornton, captain of the 2013-14 San Jose Sharks (blew 3-0 lead over LA in conference quarter-finals)
Ovechkin's Capitals blew 3-1 series leads in 2015 (against NYR) and in 2010 (against Montreal), but they never blew a 3-0 lead. In 2015, they were up 1-0, but the Rangers won game 2. In 2010, they dropped game 1 before winning the next 3 and then dropping the final 3.
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Jesus, Rask has been amazing.
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Oh man, who could forget Eddie Goodfellow.
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Jesus, Rask has been amazing.
Justin Williams is losing his mind.
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And now 2-0. Crowd has gone silent. That 1st period they were loud!
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Soft goal by Rask after standing on his head for 35 minutes.
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Soft goal by Rask after standing on his head for 35 minutes.
I know. Been a great game so far.
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*Exhales*
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Please Blues, win your series, I don't want to root for the damned Sharks.
Last game was definitely a nail in the coffin for the Canes, no way they are pulling a Flyers and coming back in 7. Damn that was a good series. :D
That said, I get that Williams is the captain, the veteran, and wants to light a fire, but he's got to realize that Marchand has seasons of experience being an asshole and he's not going to magically transform into that role now. His performance in that game will be a dark spot on an otherwise amazing career.
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Williams and Krug were going at it quite a bit in the first period. Both teams had a hard time reeling the emotions in but as a captain, Williams failed to set the right tone for the Canes.
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Williams played like a goon in the first, but despite that, it was still 0-0, and Carolina was dominant. Rask is/was the difference maker, not Williams. Even without those bone-head penalties, I don't believe 6 extra minutes at 5-5 wouldn't have made a difference.
Rask is winning this series for the Bruins.... The rest of the team is playing 'good enough'.
I've got no problem cheering for either Western team - but I do want it to be the Blues. Rask and Cassidy make it really hard to hate the Bs... but I will still manage to do so. ;D
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I'm obligated by marriage to pull for the Bruins, but if the Blues make the SCF, I'll secretly be rooting for them. There is no Eastern Conference team I wouldn't root for to beat the Sharts.
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I'm obligated by marriage to pull for the Bruins, but if the Blues make the SCF, I'll secretly be rooting for them. There is no Eastern Conference team I wouldn't root for to beat the Sharts.
If the Blues get in you better keep everything on the inside. LOL That's a hornet's nest I wouldn't mess with.
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FYI it’s OK to hand pass pucks to your team mates now for game winning goals. The NHL is a fucking joke. How many calls can one team get?
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Just give the Sharks the Cup now. The refs gave them the series against Vegas and now that debacle.
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FYI it’s OK to hand pass pucks to your team mates now for game winning goals. The NHL is a fucking joke. How many calls can one team get?
Yeah, I’m pulling for the Sharks in this series, but I hate to see wins like that from shitty officiating. Blues got fucked on that one. Is a hand pass reviewable? And if so, how did they let that one stand?!
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Yeah, I’m pulling for the Sharks in this series, but I hate to see wins like that from shitty officiating. Blues got fucked on that one. Is a hand pass reviewable? And if so, how did they let that one stand?!
Because it's a garbage league. Great sport, garbage league.
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That was absolute bullshit
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I'm also pulling for the Sharks to win this series, but it's a shame to see such a great game end on a blatantly illegal play leading to a goal. The series is far from over though.
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If it is possible for them to be an even bigger joke, the NHL will become one if any of those four officials work another game in these playoffs.
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Were those the same refs from that Saints Rams game out there? :rollin
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FYI it’s OK to hand pass pucks to your team mates now for game winning goals. The NHL is a fucking joke. How many calls can one team get?
Yeah, I’m pulling for the Sharks in this series, but I hate to see wins like that from shitty officiating. Blues got fucked on that one. Is a hand pass reviewable? And if so, how did they let that one stand?!
Not reviewable but you can review if a guy goes offside but a fraction of a millimeter. It’s a joke. How does not one of the officials see that hand pass that literally happened right in front of the net? It’s not like the puck was anywhere else.....it was being hand passed. Also, It’s comical how giddy NBC gets when things go the Sharks way. No attempts at all at a non biased coverage. It’s very clear who they are pulling for.
Still doesn’t excuse the horrible play by #27 the last two minutes of the game. He should be on the bench in those times because he’s a :censored liability. Honestly.....irs questionable as to why he gets these responsible minutes. Paryako needs to be in there....not #27. And Not scoring the empty netter cost again. Every other team in the league seems to be able to do that....not the Blues.
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I thought the guys on NBC were all in agreement that the goal shouldn't have been allowed...
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I thought the guys on NBC were all in agreement that the goal shouldn't have been allowed...
Well sure. They have to be. There’s really no other thing to say there. I’m talking in general through the game.
It doesn’t take a discerning ear or eye to see that in every series the Blues have played NBC and whichever ding bats they’ve had covering their games were favoring first the Jets, then Dallas and now SJ. Just watch and listen. It’s not tough. Not saying they should be giving the Blues handies on the bench but the focus and ‘praise’ is heavily tilted in these broadcasts. It’s not like these other teams have man handled the Blues either to garner that praise.....it’s just a bias. Plain and simple.
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Honestly I haven't watched many Blues games, nor am I invested enough in any of the remaining teams to pay much attention to something like that. I tend to turn these games on when I get home from work and watch them while I'm doing other things. I know that kind of media bias exists in all professional sports though and it can be really irritating when it's against your team, so I understand your frustration.
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Honestly I haven't watched many Blues games, nor am I invested enough in any of the remaining teams to pay much attention to something like that. I tend to turn these games on when I get home from work and watch them while I'm doing other things. I know that kind of media bias exists in all professional sports though and it can be really irritating when it's against your team, so I understand your frustration.
There is a way for the Blues to do something about it and that win the Cup. Maybe....just maybe then they might get a smidgen of respect. Until then I suppose I get why it’s always the other team. It’s just annoying.
I’m still fuming about that Fn hand pass :mehlin :censored
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Referees:
Marc Joannette
Dan O'Rourke
Linesmen:
Jonny Murray
Matt MacPherson
Five bucks says one, some or all of these clowns work another playoff game in the next month.
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I don’t know, I think the refs and league know they fucked up, and the refs from the SJ/VGK series didn’t move on after their screw up. Who knows...but the league has a huge mess to clean up. San Jose fans can never complain about officiating again
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I don’t know, I think the refs and league know they fucked up, and the refs from the SJ/VGK series didn’t move on after their screw up. Who knows...but the league has a huge mess to clean up. San Jose fans can never complain about officiating again
At least not in this post season. Series changing major call and now this game winner. Although, seeing how pissed the Blues players are right now I’m hopeful that just gave them the spark they needed to stop messing around. I’m still yet to be impressed by what I’ve seen from SJ...lots of fortunate goals with a couple legit ones sprinkled in there. So, I’m still not convinced they’ll win this series.
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Here we go again. Yes it was a bad no-call, but THE BLUES BLEW A TWO GOAL LEAD TO TIE IT!!!!! Once again, blaming the refs for the team's failing to STOP THE OTHER TEAM!!! The Saints, Knights and Blues all had leads and lost them. Actually, the Blues were less than two minutes from winning it and failed.
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Can’t disagree though that there’s been some horrible officiating this post season
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Here we go again. Yes it was a bad no-call, but THE BLUES BLEW A TWO GOAL LEAD TO TIE IT!!!!! Once again, blaming the refs for the team's failing to STOP THE OTHER TEAM!!! The Saints, Knights and Blues all had leads and lost them. Actually, the Blues were less than two minutes from winning it and failed.
Homer statement if I ever saw one. Did you even see the play? It's FAR different than the VGK call in that the blown call directly resulted in the game winning OT goal. The Blues never had a 2 goal lead - it was the Sharks that blew two 2-goal leads.
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How the hell can the league allow a hand pass?(obvious to everyone watching)
Dud they not review it? I just saw the play.
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Not reviewable. With the way technology is these days, the number of cameras and angles available, there needs to be less restrictions on clear infractions that are missed by the human eye in real time. I don't understand this notion of how some rules are reviewable, but others are not. I mean, this one was blatant and obvious. Same with the puck-over-glass that was missed (via Perron) earlier in the game. Those things take a 15-second phone call from the situation room ... "hey guys, you missed this one. Here's the right call".
The game is too fast for the refs to catch everything. Missed / subjective calls during the course of the game are one thing. A missed call that DIRECTLY determines the outcome of the game... that can't happen. Like the NFL, who review EVERY scoring play... why can't the NHL do that? And any direct infraction should be reviewable.
At least it wasn't Dallas/Buffalo OT-cup-winning-goal scenario. Could you imagine that?
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Referees:
Marc Joannette
Heard on the radio that the Sharks are 6-1 and the Blues are 0-4 with him reffing.
After the Blue Jackets scored a goal that went off the netting, there was some thought that the league would immediately fix these kind if scenarios.
Even Tuukka Rask mused that what would happen if this was OT in Game 7 of the finals.
EDIT: Oh my. I just watched the play. WTF?
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Here we go again. Yes it was a bad no-call, but THE BLUES BLEW A TWO GOAL LEAD TO TIE IT!!!!! Once again, blaming the refs for the team's failing to STOP THE OTHER TEAM!!! The Saints, Knights and Blues all had leads and lost them. Actually, the Blues were less than two minutes from winning it and failed.
Avoiding the fact that the Blues never had a 2-goal lead, which means you have your facts wrong, this is a terrible take. If you're a Sharks fan, take the gift and think yourself lucky, but don't even try to act like it wasn't bull shit.
This was far worse than the Saints/Rams thing, because this botched non-call literally ended the game. The outcome of the game was 100% influenced by the 4 (!!!!) officials inability to see a blatant hand pass in the offensive zone that led directly to the winning goal.
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It amazes me the restrictions to the obvious moments that need replay. This happens in all sports. Just an egregious use of replay.
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I get that missed calls happen, but how do four officials all miss a hand pass?? Are none of them actually watching the puck. I saw a comment last night that the officials probably didn't sleep last night because of it. Good. I hope this costs them future playoff games resulting in loss of income.
And to be clear, there is no conspiracy. The league doesn't win the Sharks to win, despite their officiating now potentially giving them two asterisks on series wins this postseason. It is just gross incompetence.
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It truly is. This is why in such big moments they have instant replay for. These moments but because 4 refs didn't see it, it can't be reviewed?
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Here we go again. Yes it was a bad no-call, but THE BLUES BLEW A TWO GOAL LEAD TO TIE IT!!!!! Once again, blaming the refs for the team's failing to STOP THE OTHER TEAM!!! The Saints, Knights and Blues all had leads and lost them. Actually, the Blues were less than two minutes from winning it and failed.
Avoiding the fact that the Blues never had a 2-goal lead, which means you have your facts wrong, this is a terrible take. If you're a Sharks fan, take the gift and think yourself lucky, but don't even try to act like it wasn't bull shit.
This was far worse than the Saints/Rams thing, because this botched non-call literally ended the game. The outcome of the game was 100% influenced by the 4 (!!!!) officials inability to see a blatant hand pass in the offensive zone that led directly to the winning goal.
Yeah.....I get he’s happy about his team winning but a non call hook or high stick or in the case of missing Perron’s delay of game isn’t even in the same ball park as missing a pretty clear hand pass that ended the game. With SJ’s PP that has been 3 for it’s last 27 and the Blues PK that is killing at something like a 90% rate.....Perron’s non call didn’t mean SJ missed out on a goal. This non call resulted in a BS goal that won the Fn game.
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OK sorry I thought it was 4-2 at some point. I missed the 2nd.
Again, none of this would have happened if the Blues would have stopped the Sharks in the last 2 minutes, that's my point. I'm not saying the Blues didn't get screwed, but letting the Sharks get that fourth goal is square on them.
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OK sorry I thought it was 4-2 at some point. I missed the 2nd.
Again, none of this would have happened if the Blues would have stopped the Sharks in the last 2 minutes, that's my point. I'm not saying the Blues didn't get screwed, but letting the Sharks get that fourth goal is square on them.
No shit, Sherlock, but that has nothing to do with what happened in OT.
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After the Blue Jackets scored a goal that went off the netting, there was some thought that the league would immediately fix these kind if scenarios.
Even Tuukka Rask mused that what would happen if this was OT in Game 7 of the finals.
I remember when that happened when the Red Wings scored on the Kings in a similar manner back in 2013 to tie the game late in the 3rd and eventually win it. That wasn't a fun day. They still hadn't changed it and make these kinds of goals reviewable since then? F'en joke.
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Here we go again. Yes it was a bad no-call, but THE BLUES BLEW A TWO GOAL LEAD TO TIE IT!!!!! Once again, blaming the refs for the team's failing to STOP THE OTHER TEAM!
There are two distinct issues.
The refs fucked up on that game-winning goal. That's an unarguable fact, regardless of where one's rooting allegiance lies.
That the team that was on the wrong end of that fucked up (non-)call had opportunities to score more goals or prevent the winning team from scoring goals before that fucked up (non-)call (e.g., the Sharts blew a 2 goal lead) is a completely unrelated issue.
An inexcusably bad (non-)call needs to be called out for what it is, and minimizing the egregiousness of what happened by pointing out that the Blues had other opportunities in the game has nothing to do with it.
After the Blue Jackets scored a goal that went off the netting, there was some thought that the league would immediately fix these kind if scenarios.
Even Tuukka Rask mused that what would happen if this was OT in Game 7 of the finals.
I remember when that happened when the Red Wings scored on the Kings in a similar manner back in 2013 to tie the game late in the 3rd and eventually win it. That wasn't a fun day. They still hadn't changed it and make these kinds of goals reviewable since then? F'en joke.
You're talking about the goal where the puck bounced off the net behind the net and then off of Quick's back and into the net? That was lame, but it was an early regular season game, so not quite the same magnitude.
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Without getting into the great debate about reviews and such right now I just want to say that it's an awful day to be a Blues fan, or a hockey fan in general.
Given the play was near the net and four officials should have had their focus at or near the puck there is just no excuse for that getting missed, and the Blues got shafted in an otherwise great game.
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I will stick to the same stance as I did on the SJS/VGK debacle... great teams overcome their obstacles - they don't blame their circumstances on them. This is a big one, but there was no guarantee that the Blues would've won if the right call was made. The only fact for sure is that they DID lose because of the call. They still could've lost this game. If the Sharks win in 7, then it'll be a summer of 'what ifs' regarding this call. If the Sharks win in 6 or less, they deserve it. If the Blues win, no one will remember (or at least care about) this call in a few months.
Great teams overcome their obstacles. Stanley Cup Winning teams overcome and rise up. Time for them to shut up, and put up.
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Oh don't worry, I'm sure the Sharks will crash and burn at some point like they always do. It might not be in the WCF, but they will probably not get past Boston. It'll probably end up the same as their last SCF with Pitt.
Many people are calling the Sharks cheaters. A split second mental error that was not caught by the officials is not the same as a calculated plan to get an advantage against the other team. Cheaters is a harsh word.
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Given the play was near the net and four officials should have had their focus at or near the puck there is just no excuse for that getting missed, and the Blues got shafted in an otherwise great game.
I agree. That's not to say the play isn't whistled dead like it should have been....face off....puck dropped and the Sharks score 30 seconds later. But to lose on that play still stings. Should the Blues lose this series that's going to be a brutal 'L' to have taken.
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Oh don't worry, I'm sure the Sharks will crash and burn at some point like they always do. It might not be in the WCF, but they will probably not get past Boston. It'll probably end up the same as their last SCF with Pitt.
Many people are calling the Sharks cheaters. A split second mental error that was not caught by the officials is not the same as a calculated plan to get an advantage against the other team. Cheaters is a harsh word.
Agreed. The Sharks aren't the culprits here ... the zebra's are.
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I will stick to the same stance as I did on the SJS/VGK debacle... great teams overcome their obstacles - they don't blame their circumstances on them. This is a big one, but there was no guarantee that the Blues would've won if the right call was made. The only fact for sure is that they DID lose because of the call. They still could've lost this game. If the Sharks win in 7, then it'll be a summer of 'what ifs' regarding this call. If the Sharks win in 6 or less, they deserve it. If the Blues win, no one will remember (or at least care about) this call in a few months.
Great teams overcome their obstacles. Stanley Cup Winning teams overcome and rise up. Time for them to shut up, and put up.
Whole Heartedly agree Chad. It sucks but hey......don't Fn ice the puck over and over and give their star players a breather. Don't let a soft tying goal go in and then let that soft game winning OT goal go in and it's mute. Score on an empty Fn net and this isn't a conversation. I'm not blaming the Loss on the refs....Blues did their part to even allow that retarded play to happen. But for that hand pass to have been missed by (4) officials that are supposed to be engaged in the game is unforgivable...it's brutal.
I'll still maintain that the Sharks haven't shown me anything to be scared about. A couple fortunate bounces and calls/non calls have went their way....good for them....but this Blues team has been resilient all year. I fully expect to head back to SJ with a tied 2-2 series. Chances were SJ was going to split anyway so....just win tomorrow night and call it even.
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All that call did was give me my first real chance to throw my remote this playoff series and I couldn't even do it because my kids were watching with me. I just looked at them and told them they needed to leave the room...now....because I couldn't guarantee how long I'd hold the mumbling cursing of an irate Dad back.
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I will stick to the same stance as I did on the SJS/VGK debacle... great teams overcome their obstacles - they don't blame their circumstances on them. This is a big one, but there was no guarantee that the Blues would've won if the right call was made. The only fact for sure is that they DID lose because of the call. They still could've lost this game. If the Sharks win in 7, then it'll be a summer of 'what ifs' regarding this call. If the Sharks win in 6 or less, they deserve it. If the Blues win, no one will remember (or at least care about) this call in a few months.
Great teams overcome their obstacles. Stanley Cup Winning teams overcome and rise up. Time for them to shut up, and put up.
Whole Heartedly agree Chad. It sucks but hey......don't Fn ice the puck over and over and give their star players a breather. Don't let a soft tying goal go in and then let that soft game winning OT goal go in and it's mute. Score on an empty Fn net and this isn't a conversation. I'm not blaming the Loss on the refs....Blues did their part to even allow that retarded play to happen. But for that hand pass to have been missed by (4) officials that are supposed to be engaged in the game is unforgivable...it's brutal.
I'll still maintain that the Sharks haven't shown me anything to be scared about. A couple fortunate bounces and calls/non calls have went their way....good for them....but this Blues team has been resilient all year. I fully expect to head back to SJ with a tied 2-2 series. Chances were SJ was going to split anyway so....just win tomorrow night and call it even.
Yes. A better worded version of what I was trying to say.
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I just got home so I'm reading the last page.
I don't really subscribe to the fact that the Blues should have overcome, closed things out in regulation. The game is the game, and that's how it goes. But the game CANNOT end like that, no matter who scores it. This is an embarrassment to the league. They had a chance to fix this during the Bruins series and somehow chose not too.
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Would someone please tell me why Todd Gurley sounded the horn before the game tonight? He looked about as into it as he did the Super Bowl.
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Nino Neiterdiver.
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Here is another way of looking at it: I read someone say that Schenn was blocking the view of the dumbass ref behind the net. Okay, so if that is true, that means he lost sight of the puck and the play should have been blown dead, right? That is what they always tell us. If the ref loses sight of the puck, he blows it dead. So either he couldn't see the puck and failed to do his job properly, or he saw the puck and was too blind/stupid to see the hand pass.
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That's a reach. I'm sure refs' views get blocked every shift at one point or another. That'd be cause for a lot of whistles.
It's Toronto's fault!
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No, it's the officials' fault. Yeah, it is moronic that a play like that cannot be overruled, but if 1 of 4 officials cannot see what happens with the puck, then they should fire the entire crew and start over from scratch.
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Well, it's crazy they missed it, I'll give you that. I've seen a million hand pass calls and half the time, I didn't even see it. Last night's could not have been more blatant.
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B's need to shoot more. One less pass.
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No kidding.
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Who knows....if the refs called the penalty on the puck over glass we dont even get to the hand pass with a power play goal
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Time for some rest.
LETS GO BLUES!!!
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Eh, it's over. It's extremely difficult to win an evenly-contested series when one game is stolen from you. I didn't watch tonight's game (I am assuming Boston won) and will not watch any more once the Blues get eliminated. F this league.
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Don't give up hope man. Only down 1.
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Eh, it's over.
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Ugh. Here we go again. Let’s go whoever comes out of the West. Please don’t make me watch Boston win it’s third championship in six months.
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This is the third Boston team to be in a league final in six months. Even more crazier, it might be against ANOTHER California team!!! What are the odds of THAT?
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So it turns out the officials could have used a rule to overturn the Sharks winner the other day.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nhl-admits-to-missed-call-on-karlssons-game-3-ot-winner-224116442.html
Rule 38.4(ix) lets the NHL “assist the Referees in determining the legitimacy of all potential goals (e.g. to ensure they are “good hockey goals”). For example (but not limited to), pucks that enter the net by going through the net meshing, pucks that enter the net from underneath the net frame, pucks that hit the spectator netting prior to being directed immediately into the goal, pucks that enter the net undetected by the Referee, etc.”
So the four officials all not only weren't watching the puck to see the hand pass, but they ignored a rule that could have overturned an illegal goal that decided a game in the conference finals. Awesome.
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You missed copy/pasting the part where Campbell said "you could probably use [Rule 38.4(ix)] but i think it has to be a discussion [before expanding use of that rule]."
You don't just start expanding use / interpretation of any rule mid-way thru round 3.
Jim Hughson (primary play-by-play guy for Canadian broadcasts), suggested making the hand pass a legal thing in all zones. While it's an interesting idea, the problem isn't egregious hand-passing ... the problem is getting egregiously missed calls corrected when the human eye(s) miss them in real time.
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In all the leagues they keep adding rule that seem to have a convoluted affect. Doesn't it seem so simple to have a guy at the league office look and rule on these? We are not talking for hooks, trips ect. Just the big moment things like goals.
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In all the leagues they keep adding rule that seem to have a convoluted affect. Doesn't it seem so simple to have a guy at the league office look and rule on these? We are not talking for hooks, trips ect. Just the big moment things like goals.
The problem becomes, here and in earlier discussion, where you draw the line. This case is easy because the puck went in so soon after the hand pass. But what if they pass it around the zone for 15 seconds and then score? The firm truth is still that the play should have been blown dead on the hand pass and there would be no goal as a result. What if they cycle it for a minute? Same thing. What if they take it out of the zone, play at the other end for a while, bring it back and then score? Same thing. I don't want to leave it to officials to determine some random point something like a hand pass or high stick (not deflection into the net, just knocking down) led to a goal. Either the system stays the way it is now or the play HAS to be reviewable back to the previous whistle, in my view. Because any infraction that would have caused the play to be blown dead between that whistle in the goal would negate the goal. And I don't think that's something anyone wants either.
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That's easy. The hand pass in the offensive goal is illegal so it's a no goal. No replay because 4 ref miss it shouldn't kill the opportunity for replay.
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If the hand pass leads to a goal, isn't that an assist? All assists should be reviewable. If a hand pass leads to passing the puck back and forth, that's not an assist on a goal? Should not be reviewable?
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You missed copy/pasting the part where Campbell said "you could probably use [Rule 38.4(ix)] but i think it has to be a discussion [before expanding use of that rule]."
You don't just start expanding use / interpretation of any rule mid-way thru round 3.
Based on how the rule is read, it could have been applied, but the officials and the league all showed they have no balls. The way the officials quickly skated off the ice, like they just robbed a bank, said it all.
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You missed copy/pasting the part where Campbell said "you could probably use [Rule 38.4(ix)] but i think it has to be a discussion [before expanding use of that rule]."
You don't just start expanding use / interpretation of any rule mid-way thru round 3.
Based on how the rule is read, it could have been applied, but the officials and the league all showed they have no balls. The way the officials quickly skated off the ice, like they just robbed a bank, said it all.
You and I must've been watching a different game then. They huddled for a minute or two before leaving. Ultimately, the conversation was "Did you see it?" x4 ... "Nope" x4. "Are hand passes reviewable"... "Nope" x4. What more is there to talk about? There's nothing to announce to the arena or to debrief with the Captains/coaches. Call on the ice was a goal; the game is over.
It was a missed/bad call, and these four have been benched now. On and off ice officiating is governed by the Governors/owners. And if there isn't a general consensus (let alone an official vote) that this specific rule can/should be used is wide use, it's not up to the four zebras on the ice - or the situation room - to make that decision midway thru the 3rd round. It's a no win situation for them in that moment.
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You missed copy/pasting the part where Campbell said "you could probably use [Rule 38.4(ix)] but i think it has to be a discussion [before expanding use of that rule]."
You don't just start expanding use / interpretation of any rule mid-way thru round 3.
Based on how the rule is read, it could have been applied, but the officials and the league all showed they have no balls. The way the officials quickly skated off the ice, like they just robbed a bank, said it all.
You and I must've been watching a different game then. They huddled for a minute or two before leaving. Ultimately, the conversation was "Did you see it?" x4 ... "Nope" x4. "Are hand passes reviewable"... "Nope" x4. What more is there to talk about? There's nothing to announce to the arena or to debrief with the Captains/coaches. Call on the ice was a goal; the game is over.
It was a missed/bad call, and these four have been benched now. On and off ice officiating is governed by the Governors/owners. And if there isn't a general consensus (let alone an official vote) that this specific rule can/should be used is wide use, it's not up to the four zebras on the ice - or the situation room - to make that decision midway thru the 3rd round. It's a no win situation for them in that moment.
To clarify, I meant after their brief huddle. They gave no explanation to the Blues, just bolted once they decided. And one of them did a hand pass motion when they were discussing it, almost like he thought maybe he saw it, and in that instance, that is when the above rule can be applied. Get with the league and get their assistance to confirm it is a good goal or not, but they were gutless and just decided to call it a good goal even though one of them clearly had some doubt and bolted like their asses were on fire.
The fact that the league had still not made an official statement about it is shameful. We only know about these 4 clowns not working again this playoff because Colin Campbell emailed it to someone in the press. There has been no statement, no apology to the Blues organization. Not that that makes it better (the ass raping the Blues got will still stand), but a good organization would have been on top of this right away. But this is the NHL...
Edit: correction, Campbell said it on a radio show, I believe.
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Also, from that article I posted earlier, I forgot this little nugget:
“I don’t think I would use that card in the third round of a playoff — I’m not so sure San Jose would appreciate if we used that rule for the first time in that game, even though it would would’ve been correct,” Campbell said.
San Jose wouldn't have appreciated them interpreting a rule in the correct way? He and the league are giving the Blues organization and the entire city the middle finger.
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That's finger service. That's bullshit for we fucked up. I get your pain Kev but I wouldn't give up. They league needs to fix this. They simple need to have the league office look at all goals. It takes a minute or 2 for them to look at a goal like this.
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Also, from that article I posted earlier, I forgot this little nugget:
“I don’t think I would use that card in the third round of a playoff — I’m not so sure San Jose would appreciate if we used that rule for the first time in that game, even though it would would’ve been correct,” Campbell said.
San Jose wouldn't have appreciated them interpreting a rule in the correct way? He and the league are giving the Blues organization and the entire city the middle finger.
That’s just shameful. Like I said earlier, I’m pulling for the Sharks, but that shit pisses me off. What good are rules if you don’t enforce them. The fact it’s round 3 of the playoffs only *strengthens* the argument of the use of the rule due to its implications. Doesn’t matter if it’s been used one time or a hundred, if an obvious call got fucked up, man up, admit it, and move forward. Protect the integrity of the game. Now if they win it all, Sharks fans have to listen to how their team got handed the championship. And that’s a damn shame.
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Also, from that article I posted earlier, I forgot this little nugget:
“I don’t think I would use that card in the third round of a playoff — I’m not so sure San Jose would appreciate if we used that rule for the first time in that game, even though it would would’ve been correct,” Campbell said.
San Jose wouldn't have appreciated them interpreting a rule in the correct way? He and the league are giving the Blues organization and the entire city the middle finger.
That’s just shameful. Like I said earlier, I’m pulling for the Sharks, but that shit pisses me off. What good are rules if you don’t enforce them. The fact it’s round 3 of the playoffs only *strengthens* the argument of the use of the rule due to its implications. Doesn’t matter if it’s been used one time or a hundred, if an obvious call got fucked up, man up, admit it, and move forward. Protect the integrity of the game. Now if they win it all, Sharks fans have to listen to how their team got handed the championship. And that’s a damn shame.
They were going to hear that no matter what due to that gift Major call against Vegas.
It’s now (4) referee’s and (2) linesman that have been Relieved of their duties in the playoffs because of horrific calls/non calls that led directly to San Jose victories.
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Also, from that article I posted earlier, I forgot this little nugget:
“I don’t think I would use that card in the third round of a playoff — I’m not so sure San Jose would appreciate if we used that rule for the first time in that game, even though it would would’ve been correct,” Campbell said.
San Jose wouldn't have appreciated them interpreting a rule in the correct way? He and the league are giving the Blues organization and the entire city the middle finger.
That’s just shameful. Like I said earlier, I’m pulling for the Sharks, but that shit pisses me off. What good are rules if you don’t enforce them. The fact it’s round 3 of the playoffs only *strengthens* the argument of the use of the rule due to its implications. Doesn’t matter if it’s been used one time or a hundred, if an obvious call got fucked up, man up, admit it, and move forward. Protect the integrity of the game. Now if they win it all, Sharks fans have to listen to how their team got handed the championship. And that’s a damn shame.
They were going to hear that no matter what due to that gift Major call against Vegas.
It’s now (4) referee’s and (2) linesman that have been Relieved of their duties in the playoffs because of horrific calls/non calls that led directly to San Jose victories.
That’s probably true as well. But this only doubles down on that. At least the major penalty was a subjective judgment call, whereas the hand pass is a clear, objective rule infraction. But neither one works to the Sharks’ favor in the public eye of the sport, no...
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Not as horrific but the goal in the B's/Jackets series where they scored a goal when the puck hit the netting up above.
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Not as horrific but the goal in the B's/Jackets series where they scored a goal when the puck hit the netting up above.
Bad call there too, but it didn't affect the outcome of the game.
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Also, from that article I posted earlier, I forgot this little nugget:
“I don’t think I would use that card in the third round of a playoff — I’m not so sure San Jose would appreciate if we used that rule for the first time in that game, even though it would would’ve been correct,” Campbell said.
San Jose wouldn't have appreciated them interpreting a rule in the correct way? He and the league are giving the Blues organization and the entire city the middle finger.
That’s just shameful. Like I said earlier, I’m pulling for the Sharks, but that shit pisses me off. What good are rules if you don’t enforce them. The fact it’s round 3 of the playoffs only *strengthens* the argument of the use of the rule due to its implications. Doesn’t matter if it’s been used one time or a hundred, if an obvious call got fucked up, man up, admit it, and move forward. Protect the integrity of the game. Now if they win it all, Sharks fans have to listen to how their team got handed the championship. And that’s a damn shame.
They were going to hear that no matter what due to that gift Major call against Vegas.
It’s now (4) referee’s and (2) linesman that have been Relieved of their duties in the playoffs because of horrific calls/non calls that led directly to San Jose victories.
That’s probably true as well. But this only doubles down on that. At least the major penalty was a subjective judgment call, whereas the hand pass is a clear, objective rule infraction. But neither one works to the Sharks’ favor in the public eye of the sport, no...
True. Both make the NHL look like fools AND jade any success the Sharks have had/will have. Should they beat the Blues (that series is far from over) and manage to figure out how to sneak pucks past Rask.....there will always be a “yeah but” associated with their Cup due to how massively controversial those two instances are.
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Not as horrific but the goal in the B's/Jackets series where they scored a goal when the puck hit the netting up above.
Bad call there too, but it didn't affect the outcome of the game.
Hence the not as horrific. At the time I lost it like it was game ending. :lol
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Quit your whining you belly-acher. You got NOTHING to whine about. :lol
>:(
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See my Facebook post to you about whining Chad. :biggrin: :lol
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True. Both make the NHL look like fools AND jade any success the Sharks have had/will have. Should they beat the Blues (that series is far from over) and manage to figure out how to sneak pucks past Rask.....there will always be a “yeah but” associated with their Cup due to how massively controversial those two instances are.
True, but a tainted championship is still better than no championship. Just ask Patriots fans...
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True. Both make the NHL look like fools AND jade any success the Sharks have had/will have. Should they beat the Blues (that series is far from over) and manage to figure out how to sneak pucks past Rask.....there will always be a “yeah but” associated with their Cup due to how massively controversial those two instances are.
True, but a tainted championship is still better than no championship. Just ask Patriots fans...
I don't know what you're talking about.
See! :lol
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True. Both make the NHL look like fools AND jade any success the Sharks have had/will have. Should they beat the Blues (that series is far from over) and manage to figure out how to sneak pucks past Rask.....there will always be a “yeah but” associated with their Cup due to how massively controversial those two instances are.
True, but a tainted championship is still better than no championship. Just ask Patriots fans...
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FineZigzagDrongo-small.gif)
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True. Both make the NHL look like fools AND jade any success the Sharks have had/will have. Should they beat the Blues (that series is far from over) and manage to figure out how to sneak pucks past Rask.....there will always be a “yeah but” associated with their Cup due to how massively controversial those two instances are.
True, but a tainted championship is still better than no championship. Just ask Patriots fans...
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True. Both make the NHL look like fools AND jade any success the Sharks have had/will have. Should they beat the Blues (that series is far from over) and manage to figure out how to sneak pucks past Rask.....there will always be a “yeah but” associated with their Cup due to how massively controversial those two instances are.
True, but a tainted championship is still better than no championship. Just ask Patriots fans...
I don't know what you're talking about.
See! :lol
Deflate this hand pass. :P
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Recently, the hand did the deflating.
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I’ll take it. I like the Blues chances in a best of three.
10 down 6 to go
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I’ll take it. I like the Blues chances in a best of three.
10 down 6 to go
I missed the very beginning of the game but I saw the Blues were already ahead 1-0. I thought maybe the NHL gave them a 1 goal freebie to start the game. :lol
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As a Bruins fan, I'm really undecided as to who I'd rather play in the Finals.
The only thing I dread is Pierre Maguire joining the telecast. The Bruins run has been so peaceful with Brian Boucher. He's been fantastic. His analysis is thoughtful, and I love his impressions of the goalie play.
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I think the Bruins would beat either of these teams in the finals, but I hope I'm wrong.
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I think the Bruins would beat either of these teams in the finals, but I hope I'm wrong.
I hope you're right! :lol
The two games this year against the Sharks were two of the best games of the year. (Bruins won both).
The lost a shootout in St. Louis in February which was a great game, but beat them back in Jan in Boston.
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I think the Bruins would beat either of these teams in the finals, but I hope I'm wrong.
They’re the favorite for sure. Hopefully the long break will mess with Rask. Otherwise, it’s gonna be a tough series to win with him playing like that.
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I think the Bruins would beat either of these teams in the finals, but I hope I'm wrong.
They’re the favorite for sure. Hopefully the long break will mess with Rask. Otherwise, it’s gonna be a tough series to win with him playing like that.
Yeah, that's the worry for sure. Rask is going to spend the next week and a half reading all this positive stuff about him. I'm not worried about the rest of the team so much.
Looking at the Western Finals, do I want to face the better team (Sharks) or the better goalie (Blues)?
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Also, from that article I posted earlier, I forgot this little nugget:
“I don’t think I would use that card in the third round of a playoff — I’m not so sure San Jose would appreciate if we used that rule for the first time in that game, even though it would would’ve been correct,” Campbell said.
San Jose wouldn't have appreciated them interpreting a rule in the correct way? He and the league are giving the Blues organization and the entire city the middle finger.
Sounds like another infamous game when a rule was used out of nowhere. The tuck rule game? Or was it something else?
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As the 2nd period is winding down, the Blues are controlling this game. As a Bruins fan, Binnington is starting to scare me.
My groin hurts watching Erik Karlsson play. I wonder of it would be better if he just sat and they played an able bodied guy. His play directly led to two of the Blues goals.
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I don’t think I’ve ever seen a team get over 20 shots in a period. Game could easily be 6-0 or more if not for Jones playing well (aside from that brain fart on the second goal). Sharks’ offense has been out of sync for two games now. Karlsson’s groin is likely part of it, and it also seems that they’re rushing plays and making bad passes because the Blues are playing just *smothering* defense right now.
The way both teams are playing these past two games, STL deserves the series. If they keep this up at this level, I imagine we are going to have a hell of an entertaining Cup final.
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I feel bad for Karlsson. He's not even hiding that he's injured, and I agree, at what point do you say "You're not playing." I mean, he's playing for a contract right now and I think this past season hurt his value. What team would want to shell out what he's asking for an injury prone player. He hasn't really ever been the same since the playoffs two years ago when he was playing with essentially, a missing foot. On the flip side, usually when Karlsson's on the ice, they are a better team and he's leading in points for a defensemen in this year's playoffs.
I just feel bad for him.
EDIT: Well, I guess we just found that point
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..and the crashing and burning begins...
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Another great road Win. Keep it going boys :metal
11 down 5 to go
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Kev. You back on the train? :lol
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I am standing mute till this series is over. :biggrin:
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I am standing mute till this series is over. :biggrin:
If so, then hopefully the series will go nine games! :P
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This series is over. No way the Sharks win the next two.
Thornton looks like he's got nothing left. Burns looks disinterested. Blues have a major advantage in goal, and without Karlsson, the Sharks are cooked.
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This series is over. No way the Sharks win the next two.
Thornton looks like he's got nothing left. Burns looks disinterested. Blues have a major advantage in goal, and without Karlsson, the Sharks are cooked.
4th win is the toughest to get. But I expect the Blues to be focused Tuesday.
Loved the fact that not one of the NBC announcers in studio or at the game gave the Blues a snowballs chance in hell to win this game....then had to watch the Blues dominate it.
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Well... the implosion looks real, but the injuries sure aren't helping them. Not sure if we should expect a Sharknado, or Free Willy. They looked about as gassed as the 'Canes did last week.
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No Karlsson or Hertl tonight.
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I have to be honest. The Blues worry me. A lot. They have some serious mojo going on.
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Yup. They minimize mistakes. Tough to play against.
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So, I think the Blues are excellent, as are the Bruins, but both had cakewalks in the Conference Finals. Both teams better be ready to step it up for the Finals.
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5 of 14 heading into the finals. Let's go Blues. That said I'm picking the Bruins just to jynx them for Tim. :biggrin:
Also...
For once the other team choked INSTEAD of the Sharks!
There is still plenty of time left for the Sharks to choke. You know the ancient Chinese proverb:
The sun will rise, the sun will fall
The tide will come, and the tide will go
The Sharks will make the playoffs, and the Sharks will choke out laughably
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Thanks! :lol
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UN :censored BELIEVABLE!! It's like two different teams these last two games.
Yea, the refs are really helping the Sharks win the cup. ::) :censored off.
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Nick doesn't want to jinx me. He needs a bed in 3 weeks. :lol
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UN :censored BELIEVABLE!! It's like two different teams these last two games.
Yea, the refs are really helping the Sharks win the cup. ::) :censored off.
They helped get them two rounds further than they should have gotten, but these last two games refs wouldn't make a difference, it's all Blues.
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Nick doesn't want to jinx me. He needs a bed in 3 weeks. :lol
Is there a show coming up?
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Yes. Nothing you'd like. Thank You Scientist in Portsmouth N.H.
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:tup
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UN :censored BELIEVABLE!! It's like two different teams these last two games.
Yea, the refs are really helping the Sharks win the cup. ::) :censored off.
They helped get them two rounds further than they should have gotten, but these last two games refs wouldn't make a difference, it's all Blues.
Love the fact that after Coulture and Karlsson ran their mouths and were smart asses after the hand pass the Blues shut both of them down and took their game to the next level. And I’m sorry dparrot but your coach is a whiny baby. Anyway.....
Freaking stoked! Clearly the Blues will be the underdogs but they’ve got something special going this year so I wouldn’t count them out.
12 down 4 to go
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Never in doubt. :P
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Congrats to the Blues, they totally dominated the last three games. Cheering for them in the Cup finals, as I almost always do for teams who’ve never won. Going to be entertaining for sure.
I’m curious as to what the odds were for the Blues to win the Cup as of Jan. 3 and how they compare to Leicester’s English Premier League odds of their title win. Probably not close, but still a hell of a story nonetheless.
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Never in doubt. :P
:lol
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They can find any excuse they want, but when it comes to the cup they're straight up freakin jinxed. I see it happen every year. I knew after losing game 5 it was gonna take a miracle. I thought the one final they actually got to they had a chance, but nope.
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Is there a way to @TAC with Gloria? ;)
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He has a smart phone but refuses to use apps.
GET OFF HIS LAWN!
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TAC has a smart phone. Sounds like a paradox. :lol :biggrin:
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As noted previously, this is as DTF Centric of a Championship that we could ask for.
Congrats to Kev and Gary. As a quasi-lurker to the NHL threads, your prolonged misery has been noted.
I'd congratulate King and TAC....
but he'll, you've all been spoiled with championships!
Now do some epic bets.
Also of note.... Boston and St. Louis are the only cities/markets that have played for the championship in the four major US sports.
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Thanks!
I was chuckling a bit at the announcers last night saying the Blues looked soft early in the 3rd period. Yes, they were playing too defensive, which was allowing San Jose some good chances, but soft? That was uncalled for, and then one of the dopes had the nerve to say it reminded him of how SJ had that hard push in Game 4 and that they deserved a better fate in that game. They deserved a better fate? Uh, after Game 3, they deserved nothing. It was so sweet to see them and their d-bag coach go down in flames. :hat :coolio
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Also of note.... Boston and St. Louis are the only cities/markets that have played for the championship in the four major US sports.
I'm unclear on this statement.
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Also of note.... Boston and St. Louis are the only cities/markets that have played for the championship in the four major US sports.
I'm unclear on this statement.
Not that this is new, but
The Blues and Bruins will (and, in 1970, did) play in the SCF.
On three occasions in the late 50s and early 60s, the Boston Celtics and St. Louis Hawks played in the NBA Finals.
The New England Patriots and St. Louis Rams competed in Super Bowl 36.
The Boston Red Sox and St. Louis Cardinals competed in the World Series in 1967 and 2013.
Apparently, no other pair of cities/markets has competed in all four major U.S. sports finals. Los Angeles and New York have competed in all but the NFL
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Gotchya... the more clear statement would be Boston and St. Louis are the only cities/markets that have played EACH OTHER for the championship in the four major US sports.
Without the "each other", I'm thinking 'uh, plenty of cities/markets have played for all four championships
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Gotchya... the more clear statement would be Boston and St. Louis are the only cities/markets that have played EACH OTHER for the championship in the four major US sports.
Without the "each other", I'm thinking 'uh, plenty of cities/markets have played for all four championships
And the last time they met in each Boston won. Time to change the tide :metal
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I love wishful thinking Gary.
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The Boston Red Sox and St. Louis Cardinals competed in the World Series in 1967 and 2013.
I forgot to include 2004 (which I suppose isn't surprising since the 2004 WS was such an anticlimactic dud after the Sox comeback against the Yankees).
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I love wishful thinking Gary.
Not as much as I love over confidence. ;)
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I love wishful thinking Gary.
Not as much as I love over confidence. ;)
:-* :-* :-*
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Dammit, there goes California teams being in all four major sports finals in a row.
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(https://i.imgur.com/0Tb3WZ0.jpg)
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Photoshop skills: Waterboy level.
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Lolol. I sent him a better one that took 5 minutes. Lolol
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Hah!
Just working on my skills during the bye week. A scrimmage, if you will..
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For the first time ever today, I woke up knowing that I get to watch the Blues play in the NHL Finals. Crazy.
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I've sen so many FB posts from my friends getting all jacked for the series. 7 games it feels like.
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I'd rather see Blues in 6 :P, that way we get the double win of the Blue winning it at home and the joy of Gloria. ;)
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:lol
I get that. I'd like to see the B's win at home myself. In 2011 it was in Vancouver but beggars can;t be choosers here.
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I was just checking things out trying to figure out why the NBA has 2 day breaks between every game, and then see that the NHL is giving an additional travel day to the breaks between games 2-3, and game 5 onwards. WTH?? I get it when the teams are traveling 3 time zones, but c'mon... St.L is in CT ffs.
I miss the good ole days when the first round games were played on back-to-back nights, teams played 4 games in 5 nights, and the Cup was awarded BEFORE Memorial Day.
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Well being that I'm obviously wanting and hoping for the Blues to win....and believe they will as the Bruins have yet to play a team like the Blues.....my 'prediction' is this:
Blues in 6
Win Game 1
Lose Game 2
Win Games 3 & 4
Lose Game 5
Win at home in Game 6
I'm hoping for the Game 1 win but honestly think they split in Boston. With how jacked up this city is right now I am thinking that the Blues will win all of their home games.
Here's to hoping for a Cup
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Fun little playoff stats.
B's Home - 6-3
B's Away - 6-2
Blues Home - 5-5
Blues Away - 7-2
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Fun fact... Everyone Hates Boston.
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Blues home had a high percentage of being 6-4 until a little hand pass miss. Wouldn’t have been an automatic W for the Blues but after a rough start at home in the playoffs they’ve cranked it up at home.
Like most others....I think most of the games will be close with one or two plays deciding them.
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Fun fact... Everyone Hates Boston.
Fun Fact.. I drink the haters tears. :biggrin:
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Fun fact... Everyone Hates Boston.
Fun Fact.. I drink the haters tears. :biggrin:
You must be the most bloated guy on the East Coast then!
(https://media.tenor.com/images/e75b82c6e75e2f03c97d4c48c54004db/tenor.gif)
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You think? :lol
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Fun fact... Everyone Hates Boston.
Fun fact...Toronto is in the wrong Finals.
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Fun fact... Everyone Hates Boston.
Fun fact...Toronto is in the wrong Finals.
Never heard of such a thing as the 'wrong' Finals. :P
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I'm really excited for this matchup. I'm a closet Blues fan and I look forward to the Bruins games against them each year. They are usually 2 of the best games each year.
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Hell of a shot by Schen.
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Mission accomplished. Bruins tied it. Now maybe the ticky tax penalties won’t be called. Total BS
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Yeah, the Bruins outplayed them badly in the 2nd period already. No need to give them gift PP's (which the last two were).
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Yup. 1st 2 were calls I hate to see. As Kev said, the last 2 are on the Blues. They need to reign in the emotions. Tall task in the biggest series there is.
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Yeah, the Bruins outplayed them badly in the 2nd period already. No need to give them gift PP's (which the last two were).
Tough not to play well when momentum is handed to you. Whatevs. Stay out of the box and win the third....steal the game.
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Might as well stop watching now. The Blues are getting outplayed and the officiating is badly lopsided.
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This is going to be a physical, tough nosed series. I still say 7 games.
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Might as well stop watching now. The Blues are getting outplayed and the officiating is badly lopsided.
Bruins played good. But the Blues had one legit penalty all game. Some wretched officiating. Was cool to see Chara get the free pass on chopping Bozaks stick in two on the penalty kill...should have been 1:30 of a 5 on 3. Anyway.
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Bruins played good. But the Blues had one legit penalty all game. Some wretched officiating. Was cool to see Chara get the free pass on chopping Bozaks stick in two on the penalty kill...should have been 1:30 of a 5 on 3. Anyway.
I actually looked up who the officials were to see if they were the same ones as Game 3 against San Jose. Hard to believe the league has this many officials with vision issues.
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Might as well stop watching now. The Blues are getting outplayed and the officiating is badly lopsided.
The Thomas hook in the first was a cheesy call, and the missed slashing the stick was unfortunate, the bolded part was your main issue tonight.
But the Blues guy tackled Krug in front of the B's net and that wasn't called.
The Sundquist cross check and the Blais interference were legit, man.
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Blais call was BS. Sindquist only real penalty all night.
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That was textbook interference.
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Yep, interfering with a guy who also has you in a headlock is clearly interference. :lol :lol :lol
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I personally would like them to let that go. But the league is different these days.
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Yep, interfering with a guy who also has you in a headlock is clearly interference. :lol :lol :lol
Well, losing your balance and falling into Krejci's elbow gets your team a power play..?
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Yep, interfering with a guy who also has you in a headlock is clearly interference. :lol :lol :lol
Well, losing your balance and falling into Krejci's elbow gets your team a power play..?
You bought that commentary from NBC? :lol he doesn’t hit his elbow if the elbow wasn’t being lifted to hit him.
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Barry McCockiner
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The only bad thing about the Bruins winning for Boston fans is that they'll be hungover for their Klan meetings tomorrow. How can they expect to get anything done?!?
:lol :lol :lol
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Civil War Schwartz
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Beloved
To many egregious mistakes made on the field, handing the enemy the momentum. We have fallen back to the city limits, we must be more disciplined before engaging such a well organized militia.
Yours
Jaden
#stlblues
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I think you guys are way too quick to blame the refs. I mean, I really didn't want to get into it tonight, but I could point to missed calls the other way. I mean, if you guys think the refs cost the Blues the game, then apparently I was watching a different game.
I may stay out of this thread for the rest of this series.
Barry McCockiner
@SportsTalkBarry
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The only bad thing about the Bruins winning for Boston fans is that they'll be hungover for their Klan meetings tomorrow. How can they expect to get anything done?!?
:lol :lol :lol
Who the fuck is that? How is that even funny? I don't even understand what that means.
I am definitely out. See you guys in two weeks.
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He's a parody Twitter account.
I've messed with him a bit. :lol
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He basically trolls fans of Tom Brady and Steph Curry, both of whom he seems to hate. I think he is from Philly, so there ya go. :lol :lol
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I troll him back. :lol
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I will unfollow him after this series is over. He tweets like 488 times a day to where most of my news feed is his silliness.
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Tim....I don’t think the Blues played very well and the Bruins obviously did. Not blaming the entire loss on the refs.
BUT.....those officials were horrible. This is the final round of the Playoffs and some of that ticky tac crap they were calling was BS. That clearly gives momentum to one team. And missing an egregious slash that breaks a stick on a PK that would have given a team that was down by 1 a 5 on 3 for over a minute is inexcusable.
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I remember when they didn't call those breaking the stick calls. I liked that game better.
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I remember when they didn't call those breaking the stick calls. I liked that game better.
I remember also. It was like 40 minutes ago.
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:lol
Bedtime. Night!
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This is from the IIHF World Champs again, but the amount of coincidences between the 2011 and 2019 finals are pretty nuts.
Game winning goals scored:
1. Both goals were scored at 42:35
2. Both goals gave Finland the 2-1 lead
3. Both matches were played in the same arena
4. Both goals were scored at the same end
5. Both goals were scored from the exact same spot into the top left corner
6. Both goals were scored by the fourth line
7. Both scorers (Petteri Nokelainen, Marko Anttila) played for the same club (Jokerit Helsinki) at the time of the finals in question.
8. Both scorers had scored 11 goals for their clubs during the last regular season
9. Both scorers shoot from the right
10. Both scorers were drafted into the NHL in the same year (2004)
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Blues were out played - #1 reason for the loss.
Bruins had more favorable calls - #2 reason for the loss, and part of the reason of #1.
Great teams overcome their obstacles, not blame them. Blues still had a chance to tie it; the 2nd goal was a softy that Binnington should've had.
All of you... quit your bitching, and enjoy the games. Tim... no need to take your toys and go home.
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/6c/6c5d6f1b9fbc6c1e458dba54d8cc828cea56185270db86a8c3f0deddf7a715a8.jpg)
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As I texted the guys, I'd rather not see the ticky tack calls. Let them play.
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All of you... quit your bitching, and enjoy the games. [/img]
With all due respect, Chad, it is hard to enjoy a game when your team is getting raped by the officials. Trust me, as a longtime Blues fan, I have learned to take playoff losses in stride. Go back and read this thread and you will see that I took the first six Blues losses just fine, but the last two pissed me off, a) the hand pass game vs SJ, and b) last night. I can take losing, but losing because the officials jobbed you is tough to take. Last night was like watching a Bulls playoff home game during the Jordan era: if you were going to beat them, you had better do it decisively because the calls are going to be badly lopsided in favor of the home team.
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Well, as much as I'm rooting for the Blues, I'd hardly call that game as being "raped" by the zebras. Some chincy calls? Absolutely. Miss on the Chara/Bozak slash? Absolutely. But the refs didn't hold them to 3 shots in 16 minutes of 5-5 time in the 2nd period. The Blues also had their own PP in the 3rd where they did pretty much nothing but pass it around the outside of the box.
And yet all of this, they were still within a goal to tie it and send it to OT.
I'll reiterate what Tim said... if you felt the refs raped the Blues, you were watching with homer eyes.
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Blues were out played - #1 reason for the loss.
Bruins had more favorable calls - #2 reason for the loss, and part of the reason of #1.
Great teams overcome their obstacles, not blame them. Blues still had a chance to tie it; the 2nd goal was a softy that Binnington should've had.
This Is all I should have said last night cuz it's pretty much spot on. The Blues didn't lose because they were hosed by the officials.....they lost because they abandoned their game after the second goal Boston scored. That was for two reasons.....first, Boston shook the rust off and started playing and second....Boston did get some helpful PP's to maintain that momentum but it's still no excuse to play the way the Blues played or let a really soft goal go in. We had a few players that visibly looked affected by the big stage but I expect that to be remedied.
Game 1 is done....it's up to the Blues to wake the F up and play their game in game 2. If they get back to their game this will be the series everyone thought it'd be....which I think they will.
To Joe and Tim.....just do what my friends and wife does when I'm bitching about a Blues game.....ignore me. I'm an idiot
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LOL No. I get it. Like I said I hate them calling the ticky tac (Insert TAC joke here) penalties. I'd rather see the boys play.
BTW, the Blues for the most part did a very good job killing the B's PP's.
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BTW, the Blues for the most part did a very good job killing the B's PP's.
Yeah....they did look good, limited the chances. But you can't keep Boston down for long on the PP. The odds are against you.
There's no question as to 'why' Boston is favored. They're freaking good. And while the Blues are 'good'....they're strength this season has been their resilience and ability to tune everyone out and fight for one another. I fully expect them to continue the trend and make Boston earn the Cup and not just roll over.
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Blues were out played - #1 reason for the loss.
Bruins had more favorable calls - #2 reason for the loss, and part of the reason of #1.
Great teams overcome their obstacles, not blame them. Blues still had a chance to tie it; the 2nd goal was a softy that Binnington should've had.
This Is all I should have said last night cuz it's pretty much spot on. The Blues didn't lose because they were hosed by the officials.....they lost because they abandoned their game after the second goal Boston scored. That was for two reasons.....first, Boston shook the rust off and started playing and second....Boston did get some helpful PP's to maintain that momentum but it's still no excuse to play the way the Blues played or let a really soft goal go in. We had a few players that visibly looked affected by the big stage but I expect that to be remedied.
Game 1 is done....it's up to the Blues to wake the F up and play their game in game 2. If they get back to their game this will be the series everyone thought it'd be....which I think they will.
:tup :tup
BTW, the Blues for the most part did a very good job killing the B's PP's.
Agreed... holding this Bs PP to 1/5 is an accomplishment.
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Well, as much as I'm rooting for the Blues, I'd hardly call that game as being "raped" by the zebras. Some chincy calls? Absolutely. Miss on the Chara/Bozak slash? Absolutely. But the refs didn't hold them to 3 shots in 16 minutes of 5-5 time in the 2nd period. The Blues also had their own PP in the 3rd where they did pretty much nothing but pass it around the outside of the box.
And they should have had a 5 on 3 for 90 seconds. Had the refs not missed what should have been an easy call, maybe the Blues score on a 5 on 3, tie the game, and then it's game on with the Blues having the momentum again.
I'll reiterate what Tim said... if you felt the refs raped the Blues, you were watching with homer eyes.
That is fine, but the game was evenly matched until a few ticky tack calls swung the game and Boston took over. It is easy to argue that those calls changed the game. To call ticky tack calls on the Blues, and then ignore a clear charge by a Bruin and then a blatant stick break, is grossly unfair.
But hey, like Gary said, it's over, and there is nothing that can be done. They were robbed, but I have no doubt that Berube will have them ready to go tomorrow. I just hope the officiating is more balanced.
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"Robbed" :rollin :rollin
"Clear charge". Dude.. that was as clean of a hit as a player can deliver in todays NHL. I didn't see a single Blues player (let alone the 19 year old rookie that took the hit) take any exception to it - so why are you?
"Should" they have had a 5-3... maybe. WOULD they have then scored and got another game-winning goal? Would they have?
Maybe just take the loss like big boy ... just as every one of the players and Berube himself did. They looked in the mirror and took ownership of their own play. That's the only thing that they can control. Let go of that which you cannot control.
DON'T MAKE ME DEFEND ANYTHING ABOUT A BOSTON WIN!!!! >:( >:(
Goddamn I hate you now.
not really, but kinda
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I love it when a Leafs fan comes to the dark side. LOL
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I love it when a Leafs fan comes to the dark side. LOL
I'm like Picard - resistance is not futile! I just call it as I sees it.
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"Robbed" :rollin :rollin
"Clear charge". Dude.. that was as clean of a hit as a player can deliver in todays NHL. I didn't see a single Blues player (let alone the 19 year old rookie that took the hit) take any exception to it - so why are you?
"Should" they have had a 5-3... maybe. WOULD they have then scored and got another game-winning goal? Would they have?
Maybe just take the loss like big boy ... just as every one of the players and Berube himself did. They looked in the mirror and took ownership of their own play. That's the only thing that they can control. Let go of that which you cannot control.
DON'T MAKE ME DEFEND ANYTHING ABOUT A BOSTON WIN!!!! >:( >:(
Goddamn I hate you now.
not really, but kinda
They did that last round as well when they got shafted in Game 3. That is a major credit to Berube and the team, but that doesn't mean the fans have to be happy about losing a game where the officiating was blatantly lopsided.
And as I said earlier, I am fine taking losses like a "big boy" ;), hence my reference to almost all of the other Blues playoff losses. I just don't like losing a game where the officiating had a say in deciding the outcome. If you are going to call ticky tack penalties, then call them on both sides, not just one.
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Okay, urge to rage....fading... :lol :lol
Bring on Game 2, sports fans. :tup :tup
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Get your sleep tonight. Lol
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http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/26834343/david-backes-dreamed-st-louis-stanley-cup-now-determined-prevent-it
(https://i.imgur.com/xcl446o.jpg)
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:rollin
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Looking for the Blues to come out guns blazing tonight.
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This game is going to give us all strokes.
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So Sundquist gets a penalty for what again? Playing hockey?
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So Sundquist gets a penalty for what again? Playing hockey?
Yep. We learned in Game 1 that a Bruin can line up a Blue from 10 feet away and run him over, but a Blue hits a Bruin with a good check in Game 2 and it is a penalty.
We've also learned tonight that the Bruins are allowed to have an extra man on the ice and score a goal.
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What an awesome play that was by Tarasenko to tie the game up, this has been an exciting one so far :metal
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What an awesome play that was by Tarasenko to tie the game up, this has been an exciting one so far :metal
For sure. Honestly, considering both penalties on the Blues were bull shit and the goals were kinda soft, I am thrilled that it is tied.
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So Sundquist gets a penalty for what again? Playing hockey?
Yep. We learned in Game 1 that a Bruin can line up a Blue from 10 feet away and run him over, but a Blue hits a Bruin with a good check in Game 2 and it is a penalty.
We've also learned tonight that the Bruins are allowed to have an extra man on the ice and score a goal.
This league will call any arms to head, even though the other player puts themselves in a poor position. It's what it is. Don't go high.
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Those were by far the two softest goals I’ve seen Binnington give up. I know he’d love to have them back. I think he was expecting a better shot from Coyle....not one that stuck to the ice.
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So Sundquist gets a penalty for what again? Playing hockey?
Yep. We learned in Game 1 that a Bruin can line up a Blue from 10 feet away and run him over, but a Blue hits a Bruin with a good check in Game 2 and it is a penalty.
We've also learned tonight that the Bruins are allowed to have an extra man on the ice and score a goal.
This league will call any arms to head, even though the other player puts themselves in a poor position. It's what it is. Don't go high.
He didn't go high; it was a good hockey check. Not his fault that the Bruin lost his balance and then couldn't take a hit.
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I'm with you there but even bad positions don't help the calls these days.
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Tim McKernan
@tmckernan
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1m
As of this moment,
@NHLonNBCSports
has not mentioned that the #NHLBruins had too many men on the ice during intermission of the #STLBlues #StanleyCup Final game.
It was pointed out on the broadcast briefly during the period.
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So Sundquist gets a penalty for what again? Playing hockey?
Yep. We learned in Game 1 that a Bruin can line up a Blue from 10 feet away and run him over, but a Blue hits a Bruin with a good check in Game 2 and it is a penalty.
We've also learned tonight that the Bruins are allowed to have an extra man on the ice and score a goal.
This league will call any arms to head, even though the other player puts themselves in a poor position. It's what it is. Don't go high.
95% of the time I’d agree. But in those instances it’s usually intentional and malicious. That player changed direction on his own AND the hit to the head was glancing. Only reason it was called was because of the optics....which if that’s the case where’s the call when Schenn was mugged earlier?
It’s 2-2 and the Blues are playing well. Boston hasn’t dominated like they did the last two periods of game one so, if the Blues stick to it I think they can grind a W out here.
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Those were by far the two softest goals I’ve seen Binnington give up. I know he’d love to have them back. I think he was expecting a better shot from Coyle....not one that stuck to the ice.
Agreed. That first one was soft. Granted, it shouldn't have counted since Boston had 6 skaters on the ice, but that is one your goalie has to stop.
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Tim McKernan
@tmckernan
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1m
As of this moment,
@NHLonNBCSports
has not mentioned that the #NHLBruins had too many men on the ice during intermission of the #STLBlues #StanleyCup Final game.
It was pointed out on the broadcast briefly during the period.
Yeah....you can keep dreaming that will be talked about. :lol
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I missed it. Lol. Really.
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Interference. Lol.
That should make you Blues fans happy.
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When the Blues score a goal when having an illegal extra man on the ice AND get away with breaking the stick of a Bruin when shorthanded, then it'll be even. Until then, the Bruins fans chanting BS can stick it in their ears.
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Until then, the Bruins fans chanting BS can stick it in their ears.
What's next? Up your nose with a garden hose? :lol
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Maybe your power play should step up then.
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Until then, the Bruins fans chanting BS can stick it in their ears.
What's next? Up your nose with a garden hose? :lol
I was keeping it clean and fair...unlike these officials.
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Tarasenko went to the locker room 10 minutes ago and NBC just now noticed. :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Vladimir Tarasenko would be a big lost.
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Tarasenko back on the bench.
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Nordstrom same hit on Blais but no call. Exact same hit.
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Nordstrom same hit on Blais but no call. Exact same hit.
Except that Blais isn't soft and can take a hit, so no call.
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I remember the days when Kev called me a Pats homer. Lol
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Here's their chance
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Nordstrom taking bullets.
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These entire playoffs, I have seen guys drive the net and make contact with the goalie and no calls were made.
Tonight, two on the Blues now.
You can't make this up.
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That was a penalty Kev. He wasn't pushed. He strode into the Rask. The other one I'd have to watch. Bad memory.
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That was a penalty Kev. He wasn't pushed. He strode into the Rask. The other one I'd have to watch. Bad memory.
Know what else is a penalty? Having too many men on the ice (and scoring!!).
And hey, here is another thing that is a penalty: intentionally breaking the stick of an opponent.
Funny how these obvious penalties are called on one team and not the other, more often than not.
People can say we are bitching too much, but anyone would if their team was getting shafted by the calls like this.
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Oh 6 men were missed for sure.
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Huge save by Binnington!
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Huge save by Binnington!
Both Rask and Binnington made some unreal saves to get this to OT
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Looking for the Blues to come out guns blazing tonight.
All the way to the end. No surprise. They took it to the B's tonight.
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That is what I call justice. :tup :tup
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Hey, at least, we get to live in a period where the Blues finally win a game in the Stanley Cup finals.
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Well deserved road win.....great bounce back.
13 down 3 to go
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That was one of the best games this playoff. Glad the Blues laid it on to Boston in that OT. Totally dominated them. And despite the 2 soft goals, Binnington cleared his head and played the game he needed to.
@ Kev/Gary... you guys are killing me. That hit by Sundqvist on Grzelcyk was absolutely a penalty. I was at first fearful it would be a Match penalty. It's like the NFL these days - doesn't matter if the defender put himself in the vulnerable position (which Grzelcyk absolutely did), the player delivering the hit will be penalized if there's head contact. The one on Blais was not "the exact same hit". Look at the one on Blais again... 100% shoulder on shoulder.
I'm gonna bitch-slap BOTH of you when we finally meet for making me defend ANYTHING about a team from Boston. I DON'T NEED TO START MY MORNING THIS WAY!!!!
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Agree to disagree about the hits.
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when you lead a hit with your arm and it hits the head they will call it 100% of the time. When it's the shoulder it's not always as clear when a player ducks so when driving into the boards, lead with the shoulder.
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David Backes: “I don’t think that’s a hit we want in our game."
Backes is the same guy who got suspended 3 games this past season for an actual dirty hit to someone's head.
He is also teammates with Brad Marchand (see: dirty ass player).
In other words... :lol :lol :lol
No wonder the Blues never looked half this good in the playoffs when that bozo was our captain. Backes should worry more about being a healthy scratch again.
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And I get that he is having his teammate's back and blah, blah, blah, but he's a hypocrite. He has made a living out of hits like last night's by Sundqvist.
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Agree to disagree about the hits.
My belief is that Sundqvist's hit shouldn't be a penalty, bit it *is* in today's NHL. Somewhere in this thread (it was the Hyman on McIvoy hit earlier in the season), I chewed into 'the game' for not teaching players how to TAKE a hit. That's sorely missing from this game. Defenders routinely leave themselves in vulnerable positions - and that's exactly what Grzelcyk did (plus losing his balance). Earlier in the period, I think it was Carlo, was in the same kind of position, but protected himself appropriately.
It absolutely blows when the actions/movement of a defender is the cause of a penalty. Totally unfair, but it is what it is. See, 1/3 of NFL hits (and one reason why I gave up on the NFL). Players passed the responsibility of protecting them to the LEAGUE instead of owning it themselves, and now that is bleeding into the NHL.
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Kev, you don't expect that from Backes? LOL Of course he will say that just like a Blues player would if it was switched.
Hey, bring on game 3!
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Agree to disagree about the hits.
My belief is that Sundqvist's hit shouldn't be a penalty, bit it *is* in today's NHL. Somewhere in this thread (it was the Hyman on McIvoy hit earlier in the season), I chewed into 'the game' for not teaching players how to TAKE a hit. That's sorely missing from this game. Defenders routinely leave themselves in vulnerable positions - and that's exactly what Grzelcyk did (plus losing his balance). Earlier in the period, I think it was Carlo, was in the same kind of position, but protected himself appropriately.
It absolutely blows when the actions/movement of a defender is the cause of a penalty. Totally unfair, but it is what it is. See, 1/3 of NFL hits (and one reason why I gave up on the NFL). Players passed the responsibility of protecting them to the LEAGUE instead of owning it themselves, and now that is bleeding into the NHL.
Fair point.
It's like when a DB goes to make a good hit on a WR while aiming for the chest, and then the WR lowers his head at the last second to brace for the hit, their helmets graze, and out come the flags. It's BS. I get that it is bad optics when a guy takes a hit and is lying on the ice hurt, but that was a good clean hockey check.
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Kev, you don't expect that from Backes? LOL Of course he will say that just like a Blues player would if it was switched.
Hey, bring on game 3!
I don't recall a single player from the Blues complaining about Robert Thomas getting trucked in Game 1 (which could have been called charging or interference).
Besides, a repeat offender when it comes to dirty hits like Backes is not the guy to call out the other team for something like that. Leave that to a player who actually has the credibility to do it.
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Like in football the more they add as a penalty, the more the called get convoluted. Plus the advent of HD replay shows everything.
Kev, you don't expect that from Backes? LOL Of course he will say that just like a Blues player would if it was switched.
Hey, bring on game 3!
I don't recall a single player from the Blues complaining about Robert Thomas getting trucked in Game 1 (which could have been called charging or interference).
Besides, a repeat offender when it comes to dirty hits like Backes is not the guy to call out the other team for something like that. Leave that to a player who actually has the credibility to do it.
That's because they knew that was a clean hit and no way that's charging or interference. He touched the put right before the hit.
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Speaking of clean hits, Sundqvist's check last night...
That aside, I will be curious to see if the Blues get the same kind of home ice officiating that the Bruins got.
Edit: Honestly, complaining about getting the shaft is not the Blues thing. That is all about Berube and his toughness, and it is why the Blues have done such a great job at overcoming adversity in these playoffs. Even when the hand pass thing happened in the SJ series, the Blues attitude was, "it's over, we are moving on," and then they kicked the Sharks ass the rest of the series. It almost looked like once again that getting the short end of some questionable calls pissed them off and only make them play better again.
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Agree to disagree about the hits.
My belief is that Sundqvist's hit shouldn't be a penalty, bit it *is* in today's NHL. Somewhere in this thread (it was the Hyman on McIvoy hit earlier in the season), I chewed into 'the game' for not teaching players how to TAKE a hit. That's sorely missing from this game. Defenders routinely leave themselves in vulnerable positions - and that's exactly what Grzelcyk did (plus losing his balance). Earlier in the period, I think it was Carlo, was in the same kind of position, but protected himself appropriately.
It absolutely blows when the actions/movement of a defender is the cause of a penalty. Totally unfair, but it is what it is. See, 1/3 of NFL hits (and one reason why I gave up on the NFL). Players passed the responsibility of protecting them to the LEAGUE instead of owning it themselves, and now that is bleeding into the NHL.
Fair point.
It's like when a DB goes to make a good hit on a WR while aiming for the chest, and then the WR lowers his head at the last second to brace for the hit, their helmets graze, and out come the flags. It's BS. I get that it is bad optics when a guy takes a hit and is lying on the ice hurt, but that was a good clean hockey check.
The eye test says it was a good clean check. It SHOULD have been considered a good clean check, but, in today's NHL, it's a penalty.
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I don't recall a single player from the Blues complaining about Robert Thomas getting trucked in Game 1 (which could have been called charging or interference).
Kev ... your bitch-slap is getting harder and harder with each morning-after post! Tell me what in this constitutes charging or interference.
https://youtu.be/6qRnOAVdGEM?t=60
Krug doesn't take a stride between the St.Louis blueline and the it (ie, not charging), and Thomas is in the process of going after the puck (ie, not interference).
Speaking of hypocrisy, you can't claim Sundqvist's hit is 'a good clean check', while trying to call Krug's as a penalty.
STOP MAKING ME DEFEND ANYTHING ABOUT A BOSTON TEAM!!!!!
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I can't watch YT at work. :)
And I did say this morning, "...could have been called charging or interference." I did not definitively say today that it should have been a penalty.
And no one says you have to defend a Boston team. ;)
No thoughts on the Bruins scoring a goal with an illegal extra man on the ice??
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Oh no doubt they missed that.
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At this point, what's done is done. If the Blues keep playing this physical, they will be tough to beat. The place is gonna be rocking this Saturday night. :metal :metal
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Honestly, the Canadian broadcast didn't even pick up on that. Guess it wasn't a big deal. :D ;)
Seeing a pic of it though... yeah, missed call for sure.
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Monday night games are rough though. LOL
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Oh no doubt they missed that.
What bothers me is that not a F’n word about it....like no big deal. The Bruins only scored a goal there...nothing to see here. Just more crap the Blues have to/did overcome.
I’ll tell you this, I’m going to be livid if Sundquist gets suspended. He was penalized and that was that. Honestly, if you watch the replay the red was right there and wasn’t going to call anything until that dude went down.
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But he is injured. Most likely concussed so I'm betting a game.
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But he is injured. Most likely concussed so I'm betting a game.
Not to be insensitive but ‘so what’? The reason he’s injured isn’t because of Sundquist but because of him changing direction. It was questionable whether he should have even gotten a penalty now he could face suspension?
Whatever. I’m sure the same standard will be applied to Boston should one of their players.....wait...sorry.....couldn’t even finish that sentence to be a smart ass. We know it won’t.
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A head hit is a head hit in this league. It's not what I think, it's what the league thinks and does. So I'm guessing he's suspended 1 game.
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Brian Burke is now an analyst on Sportsnet up here. Earlier in the playoffs, after Kadri got his suspension, he commented how player discipline in the playoffs - hell, each ROUND of the playoffs - is weighted differently than the regular season. He said that when he was head of player safety, disciplinary action in rounds 1-3 were weighted 2:1 (ie, a 1 game playoff suspension is tantamount to a 2-game regular suspension), and that the finals was weighted at 4:1. That's why Lemieux only got 2 games for that brutal hit on Draper way back when - 2 Finals games was equivalent to an 8-game suspension.
If Sundqvist the gets even a single game, that's BS, as that hit by that player would not warrant a 4-game suspension in the regular season.
I'll bet a c-note there is no action.
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He's also only getting a hearing for boarding, not an illegal hit to the head.
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I have zero faith in the NHL, so I am expecting a bull shit suspension.
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Although not the worst in the playoffs, the officiating hasn't been great thus far, that said I'm happy the better team won both games.
Now the Blues need to win AT LEAST one of their home games, because I have to see Joe next week, and I have to deal with him while the Bruins are ahead I may lose my shit. :p
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:kingshmeg:
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I have zero faith in the NHL, so I am expecting a bull shit suspension.
1 game.
St. Louis’ Oskar Sundqvist has been suspended for one game for Boarding Boston’s Matt Grzelcyk. https://t.co/2W0ZLnn9fI
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Sometimes I hate being right. :lol :lol
Horst shit decision, and his absence will affect their penalty kill, but this will just piss the Blues off and make them play better Saturday.
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F’n horse crap decision. That’s what this is. Boarding? Really? You can’t make up the crap that has happened to the Blues this post season. And yes, this decision is crap. Careful not to check one of the Boston guys fellas.....may get suspended for playing hockey.
F’n ridiculous.
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So that makes the tally from last game a six on four PP goal and now losing a key cog in the machine due to a Boston’s player inability to skate? Got it.
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Show a random non hockey fan Kurgs hit then Sundquists and ask them which one got suspended and 9/10 answer Kurgs. His hit was 10x dirtier than Sundquists
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It's all about the head. Told you guys. Krug's hit wasnt the head. The league has gone mad with head hits no matter how it happens.
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Most of the Boston media on TV tonight say real time there is no way he could slow himself down from the hit. Most are agreeing with you.
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It’s all about something and it’s not the head. Trying to neuter the Blues from playing a heavy game.
I’m with Kev on this.....Berube and Co. haven’t made any excuses this far on the MULTIPLE BS CRAP things that have happened despite having every right to. They’ll press on and play a heck of a game three.
Can’t wait to see what goes against them in that one. Maybe the NHL will revoke Tarasenkos foreign work permit due to a misspelling on the application?
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Most of the Boston media on TV tonight say real time there is no way he could slow himself down from the hit. Most are agreeing with you.
Well they should. Any intellectually honest hockey fan can see that wasn’t a penalty. Watch the replay. The ref doesn’t even lift his arm for a penalty until long after the hit. Wasn’t going to call it until the player fell to the ice. Can ref on optics like that. Ref the play.
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The Krug hit was definitely dirtier and completely unnecessary in my opinion. I never played Hockey and don't have a complete grasp on all of the rules, but it amazes me that blatant targeting like that is legal.
The Sundqvist hit was just a routine check and the guy happened to be in an awkward position...
But here we are talking about a Sundqvist suspension, meanwhile Krug's hit is being celebrated by teammates/fans/media :facepalm:
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The NHL is like the NFL: they want us to believe that they actually care about concussions and head injuries when we know they really don't. They know big hits are what get a lot of people excited about watching the game, but the minute a guy gets hurt due to a hit, even when it was clean and there was no intent to injure, they get their PR stooge to put out some release that nobody with a brain buys.
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Meanwhile Blais catches an elbow/shoulder that was directly targeted at his head and it’s a ‘good’ hit. Good because he’s a Blue
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Meanwhile Blais catches an elbow/shoulder that was directly targeted at his head and it’s a ‘good’ hit. Good because he’s a Blue
Let's not go there. There are plenty of physical plays that we all can complain about. The only reason this one was called is that it was about the head.
I would be fine with 2 minutes boarding and move on.
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Meanwhile Blais catches an elbow/shoulder that was directly targeted at his head and it’s a ‘good’ hit. Good because he’s a Blue
Let's not go there. There are plenty of physical plays that we all can complain about. The only reason this one was called is that it was about the head.
I would be fine with 2 minutes boarding and move on.
I understand not wanting to go there. It was a hockey hit. I bring it up because according to the NHLs interpretation and explanation of Sundquists suspension that hit on Blais was just as egregious.
My point is.....we now have the NHL cherry picking hits to give suspensions for depending on how loud a fan base or ownership group complains. And, I’m frankly just fucking fed up with seeing the Blues get the short end of the stick EVERY Fn time there’s a stick for the short end to be had. It gets a tad old after 30 or so years.
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Sundqvist saw numbers basically the entire forecheck. I somewhat understand the argument of Grzelcyk having a bit too much speed in the attempt to play the puck, but it doesn't change the fact Sundqvist did NOT have to deliver the check.
I'll just refer to the player safety decision here, because I basically agree with the presentation and argumentation on why it was an illegal check that could've easily been avoided. I don't necessarily agree with the suspension though, but it should've been 5 and a game. https://www.nhl.com/video/sundqvist-suspended-one-game/t-277440360/c-68343803
I'm not sure what the hit on Blais is about, haven't seen any controversial footage.
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They are not cherry picking. Hit to the head is a hit to the head even though Griz put himself in a vulnerable position.
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Hey guys, Gary '13 finally showed up. I knew it was only a matter of time! ;) :D love ya pal... even though you've morphed back into Conspiracy-Gary. I know you'll morph back in a couple of weeks.
Look, the Sundqvist hit was probably worthy of a 1-game suspension IN THE REGULAR SEASON. Complete and total BS to give him 1 game in the finals based on how Burke explained player safety policies.
Gary... dude ... no need for the hyperbole "intellectually honest hockey fan can see that wasn’t a penalty". It was. It seems only the people from St. Louis think that it wasn't.
Now you've gone and scared Tim away again.
Let's just try to enjoy the actual games fellas. Don't be so focused on the craving to win to affect your enjoyment of the product. Enjoy the thrill of the hunt as much as the kill.
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Hey guys, Gary '13 finally showed up. I knew it was only a matter of time! ;) :D love ya pal... even though you've morphed back into Conspiracy-Gary. I know you'll morph back in a couple of weeks.
Wasn't my choice....I've been conjured by the $hit show that is the NHL and the ref's they have calling these games. Difference is my rage isn't aimed at the Blues.
It seems only the people from St. Louis think that it wasn't.
What it wasn't was a play that warranted a suspension. Again, if 'they're' trying to clean up hockey then the Krug hit and the hit on Blais were just as bad. I've still yet to see an angle of Krugs hit where he played the puck. And:
(https://i.imgur.com/iHNuu7G.jpg)
you tell me the difference in the moment of contact on these two hits. The only difference is Blais didn't fall to the ice. Again....watch Sundquists hit....the ref that was literally 10 foot away and watched the whole hit had no intention of calling a penalty until Bostons player fell down to the ice. He didn't call it until then....a good three seconds after the hit.
Let's just try to enjoy the actual games fellas. Don't be so focused on the craving to win to affect your enjoyment of the product. Enjoy the thrill of the hunt as much as the kill.
It's tough to enjoy when things like say a clear too many men on the ice while on the PP leads directly to a goal......or a very clear slash that breaks a stick somehow isn't seen....or now a player is suspended for a hockey hit while other hockey hits are conveniently allowed.
Like I said....it gets old watching this crap happen to your team over and over and over. It'll make anyone a conspiracy theorist.
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Gary, You and I know when a head injury happen they well get suspended. It sucks. I know. But in this day and age they are going to suspend.
One game is an omission that we didn't want to but we had to so here's only one game.
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Joe, I get it but I still don’t see it as a suspendable play. Especially when the Boston player is the one who caused the injury by pulling up and changing his position Sundquist didn’t target him....he was forechecking. It’s not like he took a 130 foot run at him and happened to hit him when the puck was close by.....the dude slipped and caused his own injury.
But whatever. I’ll stop bitching about it because it’s not gonna change anything. I should be used to having to deal with crap like this by now.
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It happened to us with Charlie McAvoy in the second round. He's really our #1 defensman now and he was suspended for a game. It sucks on the biggest stage but I think it might be a catalyst for your team. They seem to thrive on adversity.
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It happened to us with Charlie McAvoy in the second round. He's really our #1 defensman now and he was suspended for a game. It sucks on the biggest stage but I think it might be a catalyst for your team. They seem to thrive on adversity.
That could be the silver lining
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I hope not! :lol
I'm interesting in seeing how the B's come out the first 10 minutes. They have been great on the road and with the Blues setting the tone with physicality the last game I'd like to see them take it back from the Blues.
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Well, I’m hoping this suspension doesn’t affect how the Blues play. They play hard and heavy and need to keep doing it.
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What it wasn't was a play that warranted a suspension. Again, if 'they're' trying to clean up hockey then the Krug hit and the hit on Blais were just as bad. I've still yet to see an angle of Krugs hit where he played the puck. And:
(image)
you tell me the difference in the moment of contact on these two hits.
Is this the hit on Blais you're talking about? Twitter (https://twitter.com/LucasOrLukeIDC/status/1133912683365969922) (animated GIF)
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What it wasn't was a play that warranted a suspension. Again, if 'they're' trying to clean up hockey then the Krug hit and the hit on Blais were just as bad. I've still yet to see an angle of Krugs hit where he played the puck. And:
(image)
you tell me the difference in the moment of contact on these two hits.
Is this the hit on Blais you're talking about? Twitter (https://twitter.com/LucasOrLukeIDC/status/1133912683365969922) (animated GIF)
I think it is, haven’t seen that angle before. His head hit the boards as well. That was a ‘good’ hit just as Sundquists was. Only difference is Boston’s guy goes down and Blais doesn’t.
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What it wasn't was a play that warranted a suspension. Again, if 'they're' trying to clean up hockey then the Krug hit and the hit on Blais were just as bad. I've still yet to see an angle of Krugs hit where he played the puck. And:
(image)
you tell me the difference in the moment of contact on these two hits.
Is this the hit on Blais you're talking about? Twitter (https://twitter.com/LucasOrLukeIDC/status/1133912683365969922) (animated GIF)
I think it is, haven’t seen that angle before. His head hit the boards as well. That was a ‘good’ hit just as Sundquists was. Only difference is Boston’s guy goes down and Blais doesn’t.
One with a concession the other didn't.
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What it wasn't was a play that warranted a suspension. Again, if 'they're' trying to clean up hockey then the Krug hit and the hit on Blais were just as bad. I've still yet to see an angle of Krugs hit where he played the puck. And:
(image)
you tell me the difference in the moment of contact on these two hits.
Is this the hit on Blais you're talking about? Twitter (https://twitter.com/LucasOrLukeIDC/status/1133912683365969922) (animated GIF)
I think it is, haven’t seen that angle before. His head hit the boards as well. That was a ‘good’ hit just as Sundquists was. Only difference is Boston’s guy goes down and Blais doesn’t.
One with a concession the other didn't.
All I can say is that D man better not be playing next game or this will be even more horse crap than it already is.
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I think it is, haven’t seen that angle before. His head hit the boards as well. That was a ‘good’ hit just as Sundquists was. Only difference is Boston’s guy goes down and Blais doesn’t.
Looks like the same ad on the board too. I'm not at all surprised that hit is basically all talk with next to no footage. It's hard but not on the numbers.
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Oh, so if you hit a guy now when you saw the numbers, it is wrong? That will be interesting since every check from behind makes it impossible to not see the numbers when heading their way.
Gary's point was excellent that it wasn't even going to be a penalty until the Boston player went down and looked hurt.
But I guess, to paraphrase a line from an early Sopranos episode, when the NHL keeps shitting on our heads, we are supposed to say, "thanks for the hat."
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Anyone remember Steve Bernier's hit on Rob Scuderi in 2012? While the results of this hit weren't the same, the hits themselves seem to me to be virtually indistinguishable.
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Hit on Blais - shoulder-to-shoulder, no head contact, no penalty, no suspension. All good.
Hit on Grzelcyk - hit from behind (Grzelcyk's fault), head contact (Grzelcyk's fault), penalty, suspension. None of it is fair, but the penalty was the right call (even though it's not fair - imo). Suspension was NOT the right call.
Game 1; Krug on Thomas - straight on hit, no head contact, no penalty. All good.
Look, Blues fans... leave the conspiracy theory discussions to 9/11 and homo-frogs. The Blues have been on the short end of a few bad calls, but for the love of Pete, you guys sound like Alex Jones at this point.
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The Blues have been on the short end of a few bad calls, but for the love of Pete, you guys sound like Alex Jones at this point.
If the earth was actually round that penalty would never have been called
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Look, Blues fans... leave the conspiracy theory discussions to 9/11 and homo-frogs. The Blues have been on the short end of a few bad calls, but for the love of Pete, you guys sound like Alex Jones at this point.
I have never said that I think there is a conspiracy; I just think a) NHL officiating is shitty, and b) the NHL sucks (as a company, the sport itself is awesome). Case in point: they still never officially apologized to the team for the hand pass fiasco last round. Not that it would have changed the result, but they should have at least acted like they gave a shit. When you see something like that, it demonstrates what low regard they have for certain franchises. If that would have happened to Pittsburgh, Boston or any team from the NY or LA area, they would have tripped over themselves to apologize as fast as possible.
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Look, Blues fans... leave the conspiracy theory discussions to 9/11 and homo-frogs. The Blues have been on the short end of a few bad calls, but for the love of Pete, you guys sound like Alex Jones at this point.
I have never said that I think there is a conspiracy; I just think a) NHL officiating is shitty, and b) the NHL sucks (as a company, the sport itself is awesome). Case in point: they still never officially apologized to the team for the hand pass fiasco last round. Not that it would have changed the result, but they should have at least acted like they gave a shit. When you see something like that, it demonstrates what low regard they have for certain franchises. If that would have happened to Pittsburgh, Boston or any team from the NY or LA area, they would have tripped over themselves to apologize as fast as possible.
When you’re consistently on ‘the short end of the stick’ it’s tough not to go ‘Alex Jones’. It wears a mo fo down yo
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Gary using slang?!
IT'S THE APOCALYPSE! :lol
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Look, Blues fans... leave the conspiracy theory discussions to 9/11 and homo-frogs. The Blues have been on the short end of a few bad calls, but for the love of Pete, you guys sound like Alex Jones at this point.
I have never said that I think there is a conspiracy; I just think a) NHL officiating is shitty, and b) the NHL sucks (as a company, the sport itself is awesome). Case in point: they still never officially apologized to the team for the hand pass fiasco last round. Not that it would have changed the result, but they should have at least acted like they gave a shit. When you see something like that, it demonstrates what low regard they have for certain franchises. If that would have happened to Pittsburgh, Boston or any team from the NY or LA area, they would have tripped over themselves to apologize as fast as possible.
Perhaps "conspiracy" was the wrong word. 'No intentional unequal treatment'... let's go with that. You obviously feel that the Blues are treated unequally (your last sentence above validates this). But please point to a situation when has the NHL - hell, ANY league - issued an officially statement apologizing for an incorrect call? There is a difference between acknowledging and apologizing. Even Goodell never "apologized" for the call against the Saints. Point me to a time when any of those other franchises got an official apology. You're butt-hurt ... we get it. But seriously dude... reality check.
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Look, Blues fans... leave the conspiracy theory discussions to 9/11 and homo-frogs. The Blues have been on the short end of a few bad calls, but for the love of Pete, you guys sound like Alex Jones at this point.
I have never said that I think there is a conspiracy; I just think a) NHL officiating is shitty, and b) the NHL sucks (as a company, the sport itself is awesome). Case in point: they still never officially apologized to the team for the hand pass fiasco last round. Not that it would have changed the result, but they should have at least acted like they gave a shit. When you see something like that, it demonstrates what low regard they have for certain franchises. If that would have happened to Pittsburgh, Boston or any team from the NY or LA area, they would have tripped over themselves to apologize as fast as possible.
Perhaps "conspiracy" was the wrong word. 'No intentional unequal treatment'... let's go with that. You obviously feel that the Blues are treated unequally (your last sentence above validates this). But please point to a situation when has the NHL - hell, ANY league - issued an officially statement apologizing for an incorrect call? There is a difference between acknowledging and apologizing. Even Goodell never "apologized" for the call against the Saints. Point me to a time when any of those other franchises got an official apology. You're butt-hurt ... we get it. But seriously dude... reality check.
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/26604171/nhl-apologizes-vegas-major-penalty-call
Gotta appease the new kid in town (Vegas), I suppose.
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I knew that was forthcoming funny enough, I read that exact same article. That was not an official statement/apology - private conversation with McPhee, and his word that they apologized. Who's to say that Armstrong didn't get a similar call, but he's classy enough to KEEP it private.
Look, you guys have lots of reasons to be pissed and/or annoyed, but I think things are being taken a titch too far on some of them.
Let's just focus on the Blues playing great, giving Marchand a metaphoric cunt-punch, and bringing Lord Stanley to the mid-west.
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You leave our cunt out of it you Canuck. :-*
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I was gonna put this in the funny thread, but I think we could use a little levity here.
(https://scontent.fybz2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/61840786_2395789557138455_3759792475175124992_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fybz2-2.fna&oh=64a28067cf62ab5ddf95ea988deae6e8&oe=5D55BA4D)
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I'll bet the chef burned the Blues' dog, and the Bruins' dog was cooked just right.
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I'll bet the chef burned the Blues' dog, and the Bruins' dog was cooked just right.
And never even apologized for burning it. :rollin
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I'll bet the chef burned the Blues' dog, and the Bruins' dog was cooked just right.
So much for "see ya in 2 weeks"...:P
I knew that was forthcoming funny enough, I read that exact same article. That was not an official statement/apology - private conversation with McPhee, and his word that they apologized. Who's to say that Armstrong didn't get a similar call, but he's classy enough to KEEP it private.
Look, you guys have lots of reasons to be pissed and/or annoyed, but I think things are being taken a titch too far on some of them.
Let's just focus on the Blues playing great, giving Marchand a metaphoric cunt-punch, and bringing Lord Stanley to the mid-west.
:tup :tup to all of the bolded. :coolio
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The Blues are definitely running Rask to get him off his game. Good move. The D needs to clear them out.
The 1st line needs to wake up.
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They are not asleep; the Blues are just playing them tough and clamping down on their chances.
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They are not asleep; the Blues are just playing them tough and clamping down on their chances.
For sure but they are passing too much instead of shooting. They need to stop being fancy.
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Also, the best line in all the league can play better.
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This thread has been hilarious to follow during these finals :lol Can't wait for the game tonight...
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:lol
Time to mow the lawn, make dinner and hunker down for game 3. I'll need to charge my phone for you F'ers. :lol
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Holy moly! 3-0 B's!
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I will be shocked if we don’t see a major push back in the second by the Blues.
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Who in the hell is Jon Hamm?
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Perrons bone head penalty changed the game. Game Boston a PP...they score and just run away with it. Should have pulled Binnington after third goal. He looked awful.
Should be a quiet couple days in this thread from me.
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I'd rather lose like this than a close game with bad calls. It's just one game, and deep down I thought winning both Games 3 and 4 would be a tall order. They just have to win Monday now. I feel bad for the fans at the game tonight.
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Who in the hell is Jon Hamm?
Dude, you're making us B's fans look bad.
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Who in the hell is Jon Hamm?
Dude, you're making us B's fans look bad.
Who is he? What's he been in? I've never heard of him. They've been treating him like he's Clint fucking Eastwood.
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TV show Mad Men put him in the map. He's in Top Gun 2 coming out.
Blues getting dirty hitting Rask. This could get messy. Lucky ou t the SC.
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Oh, I've never seen Mad Men. There's a Top Gun 2 coming out? Why?
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Might be the most depressing game I’ve watched this season. Blues let emotion get to much of them. This game is where playoff experience paid off for the Bruins.
Here to hoping we can even the series Monday. We go to Boston down 3-1 this puppy is over.
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Oh, I've never seen Mad Men. There's a Top Gun 2 coming out? Why?
Val Kilmer needed a reason to get back under 300 lbs.
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Is Val Kilmer still alive?
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Oh, I've never seen Mad Men. There's a Top Gun 2 coming out? Why?
Val Kilmer needed a reason to get back under 300 lbs.
Cruise is in it.
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Oh, let me guess the plot. He's an instructor, and has a hot shot student that reminds him of himself.
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:'(
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The final score is meaningless; it's just one game. Win Monday and then it's a best of 3 for the Cup.
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Perron needs to finish the finals in the players suite. Dude has taken So many dumb penalties. He single handedly changed the game tonight with that first penalty. Game was fairly even...both teams just grinding and playing well and that interference Penalty gives the B’s a PP and leads to a goal and they never looked back.
Add that to Binnington looking horrid and Rask on his game and it was over
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That was kinda fugly. I turned it off at 4-0. Zero chance to get 5 past Rask. I agree with Kev... it's just one game, and the embarrassment factor ought to help them tomorrow night. Better to lose that way, then to say dominate your opponent, only to lose 2-1 in OT on a fluke.
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If the Blues lose this series, the main reason will be simple: special teams. It wouldn't have a made a difference, but not having Sundqvist last night for the penalty kills didn't help. That said, you can't allow 4 freaking PP goals. And our PP continues to be awful.
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I still think the Blues will bounce back and it will go 7.
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If the Blues lose this series, the main reason will be simple: special teams. It wouldn't have a made a difference, but not having Sundqvist last night for the penalty kills didn't help. That said, you can't allow 4 freaking PP goals. And our PP continues to be awful.
Boston takes a dumb penalty minutes into the game.....they could have made it 1-0 minutes into it and fed off that.....instead they blow the chance and start taking dumb penalties.
It goes without saying Monday is a ‘must win’.
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If the Blues lose this series, the main reason will be simple: special teams. It wouldn't have a made a difference, but not having Sundqvist last night for the penalty kills didn't help. That said, you can't allow 4 freaking PP goals. And our PP continues to be awful.
Agreed, Throughout the whole playoffs, the Bs special teams have been excellent.
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If the Blues lose this series, the main reason will be simple: special teams. It wouldn't have a made a difference, but not having Sundqvist last night for the penalty kills didn't help. That said, you can't allow 4 freaking PP goals. And our PP continues to be awful.
Agreed, Throughout the whole playoffs, the Bs special teams have been excellent.
Honestly, with how abysmal the Blues PP has been in the playoffs it’s a testament to the rest of their play that they’ve made it this far. It’s mind boggling how you have the level of talented players the Blues have and have a PP that looks THAT bad.
I don’t see why one unit is not firmly designed around Paryako’s slap shot. Set him up on the off wing and feed him over and over and let him bomb away ala Subban...Webber...etc. etc. If they start to cheat towards him it opens up the other players....if not...you have a 100+ slap shot coming at you. Rebound galore or it’s in then net.
I don’t think the Blues are ‘done’ or that they’re outmatched by any means. If they can find a way to keep this 5 on 5 for the majority of the time they they’re in good shape as far as keeping it a game and/or series.
But clearly they have to win Monday, going down 3-1 is a death sentence.
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T minus 1/2 hour.
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Will know in three hours or so if this is gonna be a hard flight series or a fizzle out. I believe the Blues bounce back
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I click over to NBC and who the fuck is this clown singing?
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F’n NBC. Couldn’t have found something a little bit more interesting from a town/organization that hasn’t been to the finals in 49 years? I’d have taken a five minute interview with Maroons son over that.
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I'd rather watch Stu Grimson go up in the arch for the 10th time.
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That was fast.
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My pre game thought regarding the Blues was that Ryan O'Reilly has been invisible so far. So much for that! :lol
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This will be a epic battle.
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One thing the Blues D does better than I think I've ever seen is that they hold the blue line big time in the O zone.
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Holy Shit! Jon Hamm between periods!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WTF??
Ryan O'Reilly is the best player on the ice tonight.
BTW, he's winning the Selke this year.
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Special Teams will be the reason the Blues do not win the Cup. We all joked when that last Boston penalty was called that the PP will slow down the Blues momentum. :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Holy Shit! Jon Hamm between periods!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WTF??
Ryan O'Reilly is the best player on the ice tonight.
BTW, he's winning the Selke this year.
He should.
That period right there will drive any hockey fan mad. When your team dictates play and outplayed the other team but have nothing to show for it but a goal against :censored >:(
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Tim mocked me when I said this game will make me drink more. :lol
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I see Chara is back for the third period. Maybe Patrice Bergeron will join him after sitting out the first 40 minutes.
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Big response by the Blues tonight. Both Blues wins were games where the Bruins lost a D-man for the last two periods. That's been a huge advantage for their forecheckers who were already effective as it was.
Bruins who were basically inactive tonight:
Bergeron
Pastrnak
Kuraly
Debrusk
Heinen
Krejci
Backes
Ryan O'Reilly went beast mode tonight.
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Nice win Boys! Now let’s take the next one in Boston.
14 down 2 to go.
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Nice win Boys! Now let’s take the next one in Boston.
I have the Blues winning Game 5 and the Bruins winning Game 6.
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You high brah. No way B's lose game 5.
I also called it a 7 game series so....
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The Blues earned that one. 3rd period domination.
Best of 3 for the Cup.
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Yeah, that was my prediction. They'd split in each city.
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Yeah, that was my prediction. They'd split in each city.
Yep. You nailed that one.
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The Blues earned that one. 3rd period domination.
Best of 3 for the Cup.
Last 10 minutes, 1 shot for the B's. Domination for sure.
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Amazing how a team that looked so bad 48 hours ago can turn around and bitch-slap their opponents the way they did. Could've been a 7-2 win by the Blues if not for Rask (and a crossbar). Vince Dunn - for only played 12ish minutes - had a big impact. Blues get a key d-man back, while the Bruins lose another. If Chara is a scratch, and Grzlecyk is likely to be, that's gonna be a big weight for McIvoy and Krug to carry.
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Yeah, but Joe already said there's no way the Bruins lose Game 5 at home, so we might as well start looking ahead to Game 6... :P
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Huge win for the Blues tonight, but now is not the time to savor the victory. The Bruins are gonna play their asses off to defend their home ice in Game 5, so you boys better do the same. I can’t even imagine what the Enterprise Center would sound like with the potential to clinch a Stanley Cup victory, but I would love to find out.
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Yeah, but Joe already said there's no way the Bruins lose Game 5 at home, so we might as well start looking ahead to Game 6... :P
Lock of the day. Lol
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Huge win for the Blues tonight, but now is not the time to savor the victory. The Bruins are gonna play their asses off to defend their home ice in Game 5, so you boys better do the same. I can’t even imagine what the Enterprise Center would sound like with the potential to clinch a Stanley Cup victory, but I would love to find out.
Agreed. I don't see a scenario where Boston doesn't win game 7... so they better win tonight so they can have a chance on Sunday.
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Huge win for the Blues tonight, but now is not the time to savor the victory. The Bruins are gonna play their asses off to defend their home ice in Game 5, so you boys better do the same. I can’t even imagine what the Enterprise Center would sound like with the potential to clinch a Stanley Cup victory, but I would love to find out.
Agreed. I don't see a scenario where Boston doesn't win game 7... so they better win tonight so they can have a chance on Sunday.
Thursday.
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In each series they've played the Blues have gotten better....I don't see that trend changing. I think last night's game was Bostons chance to put the nail in the coffin. I told multiple people yesterday that I thought the winner of last nights game wins the series and I still believe that.
Obviously I'm saying this with a grain of 'hope' embedded in there because it's my team....but they've held Bostons top line to (1) pt at even strength (an empty netter) and although I don't see them completely being shut down the rest of the way I also don't see them breaking out again like that penalty fueled outburst they had in game 2.
If Chara is out on Thursday I think you're going to see what we already saw last night. The heavy play of the Blues will just continue to wear down Boston.....this is the same game plan the Blues have used every round and it's worked. There's nothing fancy about it. Plus, our top guys are performing so that's a plus.
Not suggesting that this is all over and that is that for the Bruins. Clearly they're a great team. But again, I think they missed their chance to crush the Blues will. Joe thinks game 5 is a 'lock' for the Bruins......let's not forget that the Blues have been just as deadly on the road these playoffs......I think Game 5 is a game the Blues take to send it home for game 6 up 3-2.
It's going to be exciting!
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I told multiple people yesterday that I thought the winner of last nights game wins the series and I still believe that.
I agree. This is how I felt before the game.
If Chara is out on Thursday I think you're going to see what we already saw last night. The heavy play of the Blues will just continue to wear down Boston.....
Other than a physical and leadership presence, Chara being out might actually be a blessing in disguise. He's been skating in cement this series. It's not like he has been effective. Sanford schooled him in Game 3. The key for the B's D is that all 6 actually finish the game. If Grzelcyk can come back and replace Chara, I believe that's actually a good thing.
Before the series, I actually had the Home teams losing games 5 and 6. But Game 5 is a Must Win for the Bruins, and I don't necessarily feel that way about the Blues.
Hopefully with 2 days off between games from here on out, it allows Bergeron to better manage whatever his injury is.
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I agree that Game 5 is a near must-win for Boston. If the Blues win that game and can win the Cup in Game 6 at home...I am not guaranteeing victory, but I would be pretty confident.
If it goes to a Game 7, it is anybody's game. The Blues are 8-3 on the road in the playoffs, so I do not agree with Chad's statement about there not being a scenario where Boston would lose Game 7 at home. The Blues have shown that they are as good or better than the Bruins when it is 5 on 5, so they just have to stack out of the box...and stop drawing Boston penalties. :lol :lol
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Couple fun facts. Blues are 4-0 in the (4) games they’ve given up a short handed goal. And their PP percentage of 11.7% matches the PP percentage of the Stanley Cup winning Boston Bruins when they won the cup in 11’
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Here's why I say the Blues won't win a game 7.
A) Blues win Thursday and lose Sunday. Just like Rd 1 vs Leafs, the Bruins are NOT going to lose 3 home games, and in this scenario, they come home having just beat the Blues on their home ice.
B) Blues lose Thursday, and win Sunday. The trend is that each team alternates games where they out-perform the other... which means Game 7 would be the one for Boston to out-perform.
This series feels eerily similar to the Bs/Leafs - where each vastly outplays the other for their victory thru the first 4 games. Blues better come out hammering them on Thursday, cuz Boston has been just as good as the Blues at bouncing back after a loss.
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Except that the Blues are far better than a team (Leafs) that couldn't get out of the first round. ;)
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Well, The Blues have been impressive with their defensive play when the other team has the puck. They close in so fast that there is no time to look to make a play and they've been beating the B's to the puck in their 2 wins. That's how they have to win. 3 -2 tough defensive play and bide your time to get timely goals.
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Here's why I say the Blues won't win a game 7.
A) Blues win Thursday and lose Sunday. Just like Rd 1 vs Leafs, the Bruins are NOT going to lose 3 home games, and in this scenario, they come home having just beat the Blues on their home ice.
B) Blues lose Thursday, and win Sunday. The trend is that each team alternates games where they out-perform the other... which means Game 7 would be the one for Boston to out-perform.
This series feels eerily similar to the Bs/Leafs - where each vastly outplays the other for their victory thru the first 4 games. Blues better come out hammering them on Thursday, cuz Boston has been just as good as the Blues at bouncing back after a loss.
While these are good points....the 'x' factor is that the Blues have played (3) really good, tough teams to get where they're at and build a level of confidence. Wheras.....and no offense to the Leafs......Boston hasn't had to play a really tough team yet with the resolve and resources like the Blues possess.
Boston cold very well win the next two games......but in the same breath so could the Blues. I think the longer the series goes the advantage needle swings towards the Blues side. Just my opinion based off of watching this team. This is the part of the season where the intangibles start to play a role and the Blues IMO have more of the intangibles.
They're 'hungry' for the Cup whereas Boston may have the cup experience but I don't think that can match the appetite for your 'first' cup. They have the 'story' behind them of last place to Cup Finals.....they have a group of guys who's had an 'us against the world' attitude sine January and especially in the playoffs where you couldn't write the BS calls and non calls that they've had to overcome.
Listen...i write all of this as a massive 'homer' and out of just wanting to see them hoist the cup......but it doesn't make any of it less true. I truly believe Boston missed their chance last night to win the cup. It's the Blues to lose at this point IMO whereas before last nights game it was Bostons to lose.
As far as Boston not losing three home games.....Blues beat Winnipeg three times in Winnipeg.....a place where they nearly never lost....an environment that most all agree is/was one of the most hostile road environments around....so I'm not convinced that the Blues can't do the same to Boston. Plus, I don't think they'll have to. I don't see how they'd crap the bed should they come home with a 3-2 series lead.
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While these are good points....the 'x' factor is that the Blues have played (3) really good, tough teams to get where they're at and build a level of confidence. Wheras.....and no offense to the Leafs......Boston hasn't had to play a really tough team yet
HUH??
The Blues played 3 tough teams and the Bruins played marshmallows?
Let's look at this closer...
The Bruins beat:
Toronto...100 pts
Columbus...98
Carolina...99
Ave..99
The Blues beat:
Winnipeg..99
Dallas..93
San Jose..101
Ave..97
The best team the Bruins and Blues played so far (until each other)were their first round matchups. Columbus had just toasted the Lightning.
I said this before the series:
So, I think the Blues are excellent, as are the Bruins, but both had cakewalks in the Conference Finals. Both teams better be ready to step it up for the Finals.
People act like Pavelski and Karlsson were done in by the Blues. Pavelski was never really recovered from the shot against the Knights, and Karlsson had been hobbled all year. The Sharks flat out quit once it was clear that those guys were out.
To insinuate that the Blues had a tougher road than the Bruins is nothing more than homerism. Maybe they did..slightly. Maybe they didn't..slightly.
.Boston hasn't had to play a really tough team yet with the resolve and resources like the Blues possess.
I agree. But neither have the Blues.
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Good points Tim. I’m not suggesting it was a cake walk for Boston, I personally think Winnipeg and Dallas were tougher draws than Toronto / Columbus though.
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I don't know. I think you're selling Columbus short. As did the President's Cup winning Lightning.
I mean, I'm going to puke if I hear that "This team was in last place on Jan 3rd." The main reason that was was that they hated playing for their clown of a coach, who I will be shocked if he gets another job anytime soon. And they improved the goaltending, and they just may ride Binnington Cam Ward style all the way to a Cup.
The Blues should've had the first seed coming out of the West straight up. I feel like people like to paint the Blues as some sort of Cinderella story, which is totally ridiculous. They are the deepest and most evenly built team in the West. When they want to play, they can beat anyone, which is something I usually say about the Bruins.
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Um ... really not sure what the Leafs 'didn't make it out of the 1st round' comment is supposed to imply. They ran into the team that has come out of the east, and gave them the toughest run of anyone so far. Hard to understand how that makes them a lesser team than the Blues.
@ TAC - agree with that post entirely. I believe I heard that CBJ and Carolina were the two best teams in the league after the trade deadline.
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I mean, I'm going to puke if I hear that "This team was in last place on Jan 3rd." The main reason that was was that they hated playing for their clown of a coach, who I will be shocked if he gets another job anytime soon. And they improved the goaltending, and they just may ride Binnington Cam Ward style all the way to a Cup.
The Blues should've had the first seed coming out of the West straight up. I feel like people like to paint the Blues as some sort of Cinderella story, which is totally ridiculous. They are the deepest and most evenly built team in the West. When they want to play, they can beat anyone, which is something I usually say about the Bruins.
Horse hockey. (See what I did there?)
Regardless of talent, when you go from being the worst team in the league to the Cup finals five months later, that is an amazing story, no matter how you want to play it.
Um ... really not sure what the Leafs 'didn't make it out of the 1st round' comment is supposed to imply.
It was a sarcastic jab on my part, hence the emoticon that followed. :biggrin:
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I feel like people like to paint the Blues as some sort of Cinderella story, which is totally ridiculous. They are the deepest and most evenly built team in the West.
Well the National Coverage they've received in every round they've played thus far they've been the red headed step child to whatever team they've played. Meaning, the focus of the coverage has been on Winnipeg, Dallas, SJ and now Boston. It's comical at this point how invested NBC has been in the 'other' team that StL has been playing. It's been pretty annoying actually but at this point Blues fans are used to it. I mean, we got a solid period of shot after shot of Chara on the bench yesterday and the announcers lamenting the fact he wasn't playing. Whatever....
Like Kev said.....it's a "cinderella" story because they were dead last in the league 4 months before the playoffs started then went on a streak that was awesome to see. Regardless of whether they wanted to play for a coach or not....being good on paper means nothing....it's how you perform. They weren't performing....they were atrocious and it's a testament to Berube and the players that they developed the mindset they did and made the playoffs.
The cup is up for grabs at this point and I don't think there's a 'favorite' right now with three games to play. You can argue Boston because they have two home games but as we've seen home games haven't been guaranteed wins. It's truly going to come down to which team wants it more and who executes. I'll take my chances with the way StL is playing and their history in these playoffs.
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Meanwhile, LOL at Backes again. What a huge crybaby he has become. He comes off like 'Wah, wah, we didn't get all of the calls for once, so I am going to complain about it."
https://nesn.com/2019/06/david-backes-questions-officiating-after-bruins-game-4-loss-to-blues/
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Meanwhile, LOL at Backes again. What a huge crybaby he has become. He comes off like 'Wah, wah, we didn't get all of the calls for once, so I am going to complain about it."
https://nesn.com/2019/06/david-backes-questions-officiating-after-bruins-game-4-loss-to-blues/
Old age has not treated him well. He's so cranky and whiny now.
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Meanwhile, LOL at Backes again. What a huge crybaby he has become. He comes off like 'Wah, wah, we didn't get all of the calls for once, so I am going to complain about it."
https://nesn.com/2019/06/david-backes-questions-officiating-after-bruins-game-4-loss-to-blues/
Old age has not treated him well. He's so cranky and whiny now.
It's kinda understandable. After years of being unable to lead a team really anywhere, he is now hoping to get his name on the Cup by being a decent role player on an otherwise great team and he is getting pissy because it's not as easy as he thought it would be this round.
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I mean, we got a solid period of shot after shot of Chara on the bench yesterday and the announcers lamenting the fact he wasn't playing. Whatever....
So you're saying if it was Pietrangelo, they wouldn't have done the exact same thing? C'mon, man!
So if a team UNDERPERFORMS for the first half of the year, and then start to play to their capabilities, that makes them a Cinderella story?
Playing the No Respect card is obviously working for the team and you guys. Geez, you'd think Belichick was coaching the Blues.
Hey, I recognize what the Blues are. They were the ONE team I didn't want to see from the West, and that's what I thought BEFORE the playoffs. They have been a fucking freight train destroying all in their path. Cinderella? Only to people that haven't been paying attention. NBC has been selling that to the nation of uninformed. If supporting that works for you guys, then fine. But I think it's gamesmanship, because it's not reality.
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It's kinda understandable. After years of being unable to lead a team really anywhere, he is now hoping to get his name on the Cup by being a decent role player on an otherwise great team and he is getting pissy because it's not as easy as he thought it would be this round.
This scenario kinda reminds me of Jarome Arthur-Leigh Adekunle Tig Junior Elvis Iginla (Jebus, how did he get such a long birth name?). From what I read, he carried the Flames for years and reached a point where he leaped to a few teams that looked like cup contenders (Penguins, Bruins, Kings) and it didn't pan out for him in the end and retired with no cup. At least, Iginla, from what I read, was a relatively class act.
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I mean, we got a solid period of shot after shot of Chara on the bench yesterday and the announcers lamenting the fact he wasn't playing. Whatever....
So you're saying if it was Pietrangelo, they wouldn't have done the exact same thing? C'mon, man!
It took several rounds for NBC's on-ice reporter to pronounce Pietrangelo's correctly (and I am still not sure he is, since I have largely tuned him out).
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Persecution complex much?
Hey, I had to double check the spelling myself. ;D
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Persecution complex much?
That’s what happens when your team continuously gets treated like that by the broadcast team. Same thing happens to the Rangers. Actually, there are a lot of similarities between the Blues and the Rangers (well up until recently when St. Louis started to get their shit together while the Rangers went into rebuilding mode). That’s probably why I like the Blues so much. They remind me of my team.
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When have the Rangers ever been treated like shit by NBC? If anything, they've tried to prop them up too much on the telecasts. I mean, there ain't a heck of a lot going on there to talk about, and hasn't been for some time.
I can see Network TV being slow to catch up with reality and they tend to come up with lazy story lines.
Like the Backes/St. Louis one. I cannot believe how much play that has gotten from the network. He's such a non factor.
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I think he's asking for consistency. They called every little ticky tack call on both sides in the first 3 games and then the Blues coach speaks up and they let everything go. I'm fine with most go but be constant. It's the games coaches play and I get it. It's a chess match.
Persecution complex much?
That’s what happens when your team continuously gets treated like that by the broadcast team. Same thing happens to the Rangers. Actually, there are a lot of similarities between the Blues and the Rangers (well up until recently when St. Louis started to get their shit together while the Rangers went into rebuilding mode). That’s probably why I like the Blues so much. They remind me of my team.
Count we can't trust you. You hate everything Boston in sports. :lol
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This is the result of NBC always featuring the same teams on Sunday afternoon games throughout the years and whatnot. The top announcing teams know those teams better because those teams (Penguins, Capitals, Blackhawks, Bruins, Flyers, etc.) are always given the primo national games. And even the East always gets the top announcing team throughout the first three rounds, so to them, the Bruins are a team they know, while the Blues are one of those Western Conference teams they rarely cover and thus no little about.
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This is the result of NBC always featuring the same teams on Sunday afternoon games throughout the years and whatnot. The top announcing teams know those teams better because those teams (Penguins, Capitals, Blackhawks, Bruins, Flyers, etc.) are always given the primo national games. And even the East always gets the top announcing team throughout the first three rounds, so to them, the Bruins are a team they know, while the Blues are one of those Western Conference teams they rarely cover and thus no little about.
That I agree with completely. It's the same fucking teams all the time. Caps/Hawks/Rags.
Please give me some Western matchup that does not include Chicago.
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NBC SUCKS. I cannot STAND their on-air personalities. Even Emrick, who I used to be able to stand, has become overbearing to me. Mike Milbury is a fucking goon with nothing between his ears but bitterness and cement, Pierre McGuire is honestly one of the worst personalities to represent hockey in my own personal memory, and Olczyck, while being very knowledgeable, doesn't come across as someone I want to listen to talk every other minute. Micheletti, or however you spell his name, isn't terrible, but certainly isn't great. Likewise Keith Jones isn't horrible, but he isn't good, and Roenick.....I didn't like his personality as a player let alone as someone I have to listen to.
I miss Gary Thorne and Bill Clement. I miss coverage and analysis that was about educating and explaining the game, not selling faux storylines and gimmicks to draw attention. I rewatch old Cup broadcasts from ESPN and ABC with wanton nostalgia. I actually mute the games when McGuire has his bench and on-ice interviews, and I no longer watch between periods.
I know I'm griping for no fucking outcome, but it pisses me off every time I watch a game and remember how much I used to love National Hockey Night, and how this shit is what we have now.
Carry on...
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NBC SUCKS. I cannot STAND their on-air personalities. Even Emrick, who I used to be able to stand, has become overbearing to me. Mike Milbury is a fucking goon with nothing between his ears but bitterness and cement, Pierre McGuire is honestly one of the worst personalities to represent hockey in my own personal memory, and Olczyck, while being very knowledgeable, doesn't come across as someone I want to listen to talk every other minute. Micheletti, or however you spell his name, isn't terrible, but certainly isn't great. Likewise Keith Jones isn't horrible, but he isn't good, and Roenick.....I didn't like his personality as a player let alone as someone I have to listen to.
I miss Gary Thorne and Bill Clement. I miss coverage and analysis that was about educating and explaining the game, not selling faux storylines and gimmicks to draw attention. I rewatch old Cup broadcasts from ESPN and ABC with wanton nostalgia. I actually mute the games when McGuire has his bench and on-ice interviews, and I no longer watch between periods.
I know I'm griping for no fucking outcome, but it pisses me off every time I watch a game and remember how much I used to love National Hockey Night, and how this shit is what we have now.
Carry on...
I'm totally with you on Thorne and Clement. Damn, those guys were great.
It's funny what you say about Olczyck. I agree. He is very knowledgeable, but (I can't believe I'm going to do this) I feel like he hates the Bruins. :lol
Emrick is fine. I like Millbury, but can understand why everyone outside of Boston doesn't. I love me some Keith Jones, and the addition of Patrick Sharpe has been excellent.
I'm done with Pierre Maguire. But I feel during these finals that he's been a lot more reserved.
I'll say this, the Bruins had Brian Boucher do all three rounds and I thought he was fantastic. He sounded fresh and had great insights, especially on the goaltending.
How about the NHL Network guys? I've always liked Kevin Weekes, but lately he's turned into the black Pierre Maguire. STFU man!
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This is the result of NBC always featuring the same teams on Sunday afternoon games throughout the years and whatnot. The top announcing teams know those teams better because those teams (Penguins, Capitals, Blackhawks, Bruins, Flyers, etc.) are always given the primo national games. And even the East always gets the top announcing team throughout the first three rounds, so to them, the Bruins are a team they know, while the Blues are one of those Western Conference teams they rarely cover and thus no little about.
Therefore the Cinderella storyline...
They are in the business of selling storylines.
Here's the NBC schedule for the past season.
https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2018/08/13/your-2018-19-nhl-on-nbc-tv-schedule/
Caps...8 games
Hawks...8 games
Pens..7 games
Rags...5 games
Bruins...5 games
Blues...4 games
Bolts...4 games
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The only one out of all of them that is tolerable is Patrick Sharp. Not only is he one of the only ones who actually knows what he's talking about.....he's about as unbiased as you can get. Near all the others you can 'taste' who they like by what they talk about and how they talk about it.
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Can Youtube TV give us the option to watch the Canadian feed of NHL games that would be hosted on NBC?
I do feel like I have the NBC broadcasts muted more often than not. Doc Emrick is all right. I find Pierre more tolerable than most although I can understand why a lot of people would not stand him. Both of them emphasizing where players play in college can get overbearing though. It's like wrestling where Jim Ross used to drop a fact where a wrestler played football for. I highly doubt the majority of the viewers are really interested where a player played hockey in college, unless that viewer went to the same college. All of the other hockey personnel on NBC that I'm familiar with (Olczyck, Millbury, Roenick, etc.), I can live without hearing them.
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Millbury is the worst. He always sounds cranky and like someone just shit on his hamburger.
Doc Emrick is great; I would never knock him.
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The only one out of all of them that is tolerable is Patrick Sharp. Not only is he one of the only ones who actually knows what he's talking about.....he's about as unbiased as you can get. Near all the others you can 'taste' who they like by what they talk about and how they talk about it.
What is Jones' bias?
I mean, I can't think of any of them that lean a certain way. I guess I'm missing it.
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Millbury is the worst. He always sounds cranky and like someone just shit on his hamburger.
Doc Emrick is great; I would never knock him.
I love Emrick.
And I think Millbury is mostly great because he sounds cranky and like someone just shit on his hamburger.
I also desperately miss Gary Thorne and Bill Clement. Every time I hear highlights from an Orioles game or they show one on MLB Network, it makes me nostalgic for late 90s/early 2000s hockey.
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Meanwhile, LOL at Backes again. What a huge crybaby he has become. He comes off like 'Wah, wah, we didn't get all of the calls for once, so I am going to complain about it."
https://nesn.com/2019/06/david-backes-questions-officiating-after-bruins-game-4-loss-to-blues/
Sounds a lot like how someone(two) was posting last page. :biggrin:
Oh, thank god for Sportsnet/CBC. I'd listen on mute if I had to watch NBC coverage. At least NBCSports had the brains to hire/borrow at least one of the Canadian broadcast teams (Chris Cuthbert) for the earlier rounds.
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Sounds a lot like how someone(two) was posting last page. :biggrin:
Difference being we had/have a legitimate gripe.
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Sounds a lot like how someone(two) was posting last page. :biggrin:
Difference being we had/have a legitimate gripe.
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So do we about how the officiating changed for game 4. :neverusethis:
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The officiating has been a complete non factor in this series. The best team has won each game. There's general inconsistencies for sure, but the officiating hasn't impacted this series one iota.
Sounds a lot like how someone(two) was posting last page. :biggrin:
Difference being we had/have a legitimate gripe.
That's just ridiculous. I mean, please. That is tired.
The refs have missed calls both ways. They fell for the Bruins embellishing in game 3 and the Blues embellishing in game 4. Again. Non factor. Crying about the refs completely undermines you guys' actual knowledge and ability to have a legitimate hockey conversation.
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Pfft, you are the one still yapping about the officiating...:P
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Not at all.
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So do we about how the officiating changed for game 4. :neverusethis:
Should have been like that from the start. And there were still two weak calls....one against each team.
The officiating has been a complete non factor in this series. The best team has won each game. There's general inconsistencies for sure, but the officiating hasn't impacted this series one iota.
Sounds a lot like how someone(two) was posting last page. :biggrin:
Difference being we had/have a legitimate gripe.
That's just ridiculous. I mean, please. That is tired.
The refs have missed calls both ways. They fell for the Bruins embellishing in game 3 and the Blues embellishing in game 4. Again. Non factor. Crying about the refs completely undermines you guys' actual knowledge and ability to have a legitimate hockey conversation.
Don’t disagree about the team that should have won the games won the games. Will strongly disagree and politely chuckle at the notion I don’t know what I’m talking about when it comes to hockey.
Love ya though :tup
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Gary, Gary, Gary. You did see the neverusethis face right? :lol
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Will strongly disagree and politely chuckle at the notion I don’t know what I’m talking about when it comes to hockey.
I know you know what you're talking about when it comes to hockey. I said that and I totally believe it.
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Gary, Gary, Gary. You did see the neverusethis face right? :lol
Never use this face? What’s that one. Ha ha
Will strongly disagree and politely chuckle at the notion I don’t know what I’m talking about when it comes to hockey.
I know you know what you're talking about when it comes to hockey. I said that and I totally believe it.
You knew that I know you knew I know’d.....so we now know that we both know we know.
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Chara is out with a broken jaw.
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I’m with Marty regarding Pierre. I don’t mind the rest of the NBC crew that much except Milbury, who’s just always been a dumbass, so hey, let’s give him a microphone! :loser: Besides, Kathryn Tappen isn’t some bad eye candy either.
The old Hockey Night in Canada broadcasts were where it was at for me though growing up. We had a satellite dish and tuned in to CBC every Saturday during the season. My dad LOVED Coach’s Corner and Cherry’s brashness. I kinda miss those times...
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Nothing will ever top Mcguire on TSN on trade day back in '08 and him talking to Darren Dutchyshen - and I quote "you're an announcer with a long stick from time to time :eyebrows:" (the "eyebrows" emote is in the quote purposefully)
https://youtu.be/_i5zXLZHGI4?t=106
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Chara is out with a broken jaw.
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Speaking of long sticks... if it wasn't for Chara's, maybe his jaw would be intact.
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Tim, link?
I assume he is but I haven't seen a report that says it's official yet.
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Chara isn't that good anyway. I can't remember a finals where I could say neither of the two captains were among the best players on their respective teams.
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Nothing will ever top Mcguire on TSN on trade day back in '08 and him talking to Darren Dutchyshen - and I quote "you're an announcer with a long stick from time to time :eyebrows:" (the "eyebrows" emote is in the quote purposefully)
https://youtu.be/_i5zXLZHGI4?t=106
I’ve watched that a few times before, and every time, I get uncomfortable myself seeing how close he’s standing to Darren. Then *that* line comes out of his mouth, and I have to wonder, “Is he on a registry somewhere?” Lesser things have qualified as sexual harassment in the workplace. It’s hilarious how as soon as Darren says, “Long stick,” the eyebrows shoot up like Gronkowski’s do if he heard the number 69.
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Chara isn't that good anyway. I can't remember a finals where I could say neither of the two captains were among the best players on their respective teams.
The problem is that puts us to our 9th in the depth chart for the Defenseman
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Nothing will ever top Mcguire on TSN on trade day back in '08 and him talking to Darren Dutchyshen - and I quote "you're an announcer with a long stick from time to time :eyebrows:" (the "eyebrows" emote is in the quote purposefully)
https://youtu.be/_i5zXLZHGI4?t=106
His interview with Byfuglien wasn't that tolerable either.
And, of course, the ubiquitous call from Eberle's goal at the World Juniors that forever cemented him as the worst hockey commentator ever. The version with his verbal wanking edited out shows just how awful he really is.
WITH: https://youtu.be/R8v8C3scwvg
WITHOUT: https://youtu.be/kghBi1w-c3E
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Nothing will ever top Mcguire on TSN on trade day back in '08 and him talking to Darren Dutchyshen - and I quote "you're an announcer with a long stick from time to time :eyebrows:" (the "eyebrows" emote is in the quote purposefully)
https://youtu.be/_i5zXLZHGI4?t=106
His interview with Byfuglien wasn't that tolerable either.
And, of course, the ubiquitous call from Eberle's goal at the World Juniors that forever cemented him as the worst hockey commentator ever. The version with his verbal wanking edited out shows just how awful he really is.
WITH: https://youtu.be/R8v8C3scwvg
WITHOUT: https://youtu.be/kghBi1w-c3E
I hadn’t seen that call before. Talk about ruining the drama of the moment. The question was rhetorical, Pierre!
That Byfuglien interview was indeed cringeworthy. And that smile after creeping him out is reminiscent of a two year old shitting his pants and proudly looking toward his parents.
Don’t forget IT’S A DOUBLE DION!!!1!1 You could probably make a ten-minute compilation of stupid stuff he’s said.
I imagine his last days in college studying communications went something like this:
https://youtu.be/8fIs-f-jaZY
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Ever notice his insistence on using players' full first names regardless of how they usually are referred?
Chris Letang is always Christoper Letang, Pat Maroon is Patrick Maroon, etc. Always, and I do not understand why. I wonder how he'd feel if everyone started calling him Regis instead of Pierre, since that is his actual first name. Pierre is his middle name.
Also found this gem of an article: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2019/01/30/kendall-coyne-nhls-pierre-mcguire-induces-awkward-moments-booth/2728866002/ 🤦♂️
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Chara isn't that good anyway. I can't remember a finals where I could say neither of the two captains were among the best players on their respective teams.
Chara hasn’t been one of the Bruins best players in s long time.
I thought Pietrangelo has been excellent so far. He’s been their best D Man.
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I thought Pietrangelo has been excellent so far. He’s been their best D Man.
Iv'e been a Petro detractor for much of the last two seasons......BUT.....his play in these playoffs and particularly this series has really impressed me. He had a couple dumb icing penalties in the SJ series.....but, all in all I think he's elevated his game and has me second guessing my desire to see him off this team.
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By the way, don't diss the NBC crew for not knowing how to pronounce his last name. The CBC crew also do it three different ways
Cherry (mind you, that old coot mis-pronounces evert non-English name!) - Peter-Angelo
Elliotte Freedman - Pet-Rangelo
Ron MacLean - Pietra-Angelo
I do believe it's supposed to be the latter.
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By the way, don't diss the NBC crew for not knowing how to pronounce his last name. The CBC crew also do it three different ways
Cherry (mind you, that old coot mis-pronounces evert non-English name!) - Peter-Angelo
Elliotte Freedman - Pet-Rangelo
Ron MacLean - Pietra-Angelo
I do believe it's supposed to be the latter.
I would expect that the correct Italian pronunciation is pee-eh-TRAN-juh-low. What I hear most commonly is puh-TRAN-juh-low, and peter-angelo sounds silly to me.
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Ever notice his insistence on using players' full first names regardless of how they usually are referred?
Chris Letang is always Christoper Letang, Pat Maroon is Patrick Maroon, etc. Always, and I do not understand why. I wonder how he'd feel if everyone started calling him Regis instead of Pierre, since that is his actual first name. Pierre is his middle name.
Also found this gem of an article: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2019/01/30/kendall-coyne-nhls-pierre-mcguire-induces-awkward-moments-booth/2728866002/ 🤦♂️
I haven’t noticed that, no. But I’m guaranteed to now, and probably won’t be able to in-notice it now. I was also shocked to learn that dolt was actually a head coach at one point. And then to learn he hoisted the Cup with Pittsburgh in the early 90’s. No wonder he’s a Penguins knob gobbler. Explains a lot.
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I haven’t noticed that, no. But I’m guaranteed to now, and probably won’t be able to in-notice it now. I was also shocked to learn that dolt was actually a head coach at one point. And then to learn he hoisted the Cup with Pittsburgh in the early 90’s. No wonder he’s a Penguins knob gobbler. Explains a lot.
Yep, this was what it says on his wiki.
McGuire joined the Hartford Whalers on August 28, 1992, as an assistant coach and on September 8, 1993, became the team's assistant general manager.[17] On November 16, 1993, McGuire was named head coach of the Whalers, replacing Paul Holmgren, who had stepped aside due to frustration with a lack of effort from his players and a desire to focus on his role as the team's general manager.[18] At age 32, McGuire was the youngest head coach in the NHL. Prior to becoming coach of the Whalers, McGuire had never been a head coach at any level. During his six months as Whalers head coach, McGuire coached the team to a 23–37–7 record.[19] McGuire was fired as head coach on May 19, 1994. After the termination, captain Pat Verbeek called it the best thing that could have happened to the Whalers. He said his teammates had no respect for McGuire and that McGuire was mocked by other teams.[20][21] In 1995, NHL commissioner Gary Bettman ruled that McGuire would forfeit half of the remaining salary owed to him by the Whalers for providing confidential coaching evaluations to the Edmonton Oilers. These evaluations had been prepared while he was employed by Hartford.[22]
Later career
Following his departure from the Whalers, McGuire became a scout with the Ottawa Senators. On November 22, 1995, he was elevated to the position of assistant coach.[23] On January 23, 1996, McGuire was fired, along with head coach Dave Allison and goaltending coach Chico Resch.[24]
On August 27, 1996, McGuire was named the inaugural head coach of the ECHL's Baton Rouge Kingfish.[25] He was given a three-year contract. McGuire led the team to a 31–33–6 record and a seventh-place finish in the South Division. On July 12, 1997, McGuire exercised an escape clause in his contract to become the radio analyst for CJAD's broadcasts of Montreal Canadiens games.[26]
I'm surprised he still manages to find work in any capacity in the NHL and now we, the country, is now stuck with this guy when it comes to the biggest broadcasts in the country of the NHL games.
If only local broadcasters get their chance to commentate Cup Finals games for their team instead.
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Who is the MOST ANNOYING of the following four hockey individuals?
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With just A SINGLE HOUR left in my tremendous poll, pitiful Pierre McGuire continues to hold the shameful lead. Even meathead Mike Milbury, who is an incredibly LOW IQ degenerate, may actually be less hated than creepy Pierre. Stunning!
:lol :lol :lol :lol
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Kev, what fucking sewer are you getting these quotes from?
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Twitter.
Someone posts about the NHL in the writing style of Trump. Funny stuff.
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:lol
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If only local broadcasters get their chance to commentate Cup Finals games for their team instead.
In 2012, the LA Kings play-by-play team called the game 6 clincher, and the team eventually released a DVD with that call synched up with the NBC broadcast video. It's a little odd in that it's missing some of the crowd/ambient sounds, but it's the best freakin thing ever listening to Bob Miller count down the final minute of the Kings first Stanley Cup Championship.
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Grilling burgers in preparation for the game.
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Chars not only dressed, but starting!?!?? Not sure if that's inspirational, or idiotic.
Or both.
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I bet if a Blues player was coming back from a broken jaw, NBC wouldn't spend half the time they devoted to Chara.
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:clap:
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Bruins dress 7 D and sit Backes.
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Bruins dress 7 D and sit Backes.
Maybe he needs a hug, Tim.
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Whatever it takes. :lol
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Reputation penalty.
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It was a dick move. Blues have to be happy with the first period.
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Reputation penalty.
It was a fucking spear, man. And yeah... Blues have to be thankful Bennington bailed them out.
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Both goalies are locked in.
Backes a healthy scratch. :lol :lol :lol
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It's the playoffs. I've seen a million worse penalties not called until this year. And your right it is but this year they are calling a ton of penalties and Mush mouth should have known better.
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Both goalies are locked in.
Backes a healthy scratch. :lol :lol :lol
Yup yup.
No surprise. He's held back the second line.
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It's the playoffs. I've seen a million worse penalties not called until this year. And your right it is but this year they are calling a ton of penalties and Mush mouth should have known better.
#Garyshmegland
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A plus for the Blues that the B's played so well not to score.
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It's the playoffs. I've seen a million worse penalties not called until this year. And your right it is but this year they are calling a ton of penalties and Mush mouth should have known better.
#Garyshmegland
Wait. I'm not typing in bolded. :lol
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A plus for the Blues that the B's played so well not to score.
Dammit. O'Reilly is hot.
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The Bruins are fucked. they're just not doing enough shooting.
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The Bruins are fucked. they're just not doing enough shooting.
That's because the Blues are taking it to them.
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The Bruins are fucked. they're just not doing enough shooting.
?? As of this commercial break, they have more shots this game than they did in game 4 ??
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The Bruins are fucked. they're just not doing enough shooting.
That's because the Blues are taking it to them.
I don't think that at all. It's a good game, but the Bruins simply are not playing desperate enough.
The Bruins are fucked. they're just not doing enough shooting.
?? As of this commercial break, they have more shots this game than they did in game 4 ??
Most are from the perimeter. Marchand and Krejci passed up opportunities.
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The Bruins are fucked. they're just not doing enough shooting.
?? As of this commercial break, they have more shots this game than they did in game 4 ??
They weren't even in Game 4. They are at least in this game. But they better start showing some urgency.
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The Bruins are fucked. they're just not doing enough shooting.
That's because the Blues are taking it to them.
I don't think that at all. It's a good game, but the Bruins simply are not playing desperate enough.
The Blues have knocked them off their game in the 2nd period. Boston had the better of the play in the 1st, but the 2nd period has been another story.
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The second has definitely been better for the Blues. The Bruins just can't penetrate the Blues' D.
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Blues doing a great job suffocating the top line.
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Now that's a hold. :lol
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SAVE BY KREJCI!!
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Seeing Boston fans lose their shit all over the 'net about the officiating is hilarious. Sucks when a call doesn't go your way, doesn't it? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Not losing my shit but either call everything or let it all go. Is that hard to ask for in the SC? I think you would agree.
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They are letting almost everything go. Both teams have gotten away with some questionable hits and holds, and the penalties that have been called (the delay of game, the Marchand slash, the Perron interference) were all easy calls.
I just think Boston fans have big brass balls to complain after what their team got away with in Games 1 and 2.
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So was that hold. :lol
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If you think it was, sure. Not an obvious penalty, like, oh, having an extra man on the ice when scoring a goal or intentionally breaking the stick of an opposing player.
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Kev. Unlike you I can admit there was 6 men on the ice.
Tee Hee.
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Okay, I will admit it: there were six men on the ice.
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:lol
I still love you. *bro hug*
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Haha. Should be a fun 3rd period.
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This has actually been Chara's best game of the series. :lol
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Whistle blew before. Good call.
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Kev? Kev?
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Good goal. 2-0 Blues.
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Yeaaaahhhh.
This is the consistency I talk about. That last pp was a bad call. This was a penalty.
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It wasn't called, therefore it was not. I call that justice after the first two games of nonsense.
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Blues were due a break. I think had he not try to sell the penalty by flopping more it may have been called.
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It wasn't called, therefore it was not. I call that justice after the first two games of nonsense.
I call it terrible inconsistency for what it is.
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Justice? Kev. Malarkey.
Don't get me wrong, the Blues have been fantastic defensively and this is why they will be up 3-2 in the series. That is an obvious call. This whole series for both sides have been poorly reffed.
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NBC is hilarious.
Boston scores with six men on the ice, which is mentioned once and then never again, but now we are supposed to believe that play was the crime of the century. Boo freaking hoo.
And this game is not over yet. The Blues with a 2-goal lead worry me. :lol :lol
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I'm not ready to start watching the Red Sox. They blow this year.
Blues were due a break. I think had he not try to sell the penalty by flopping more it may have been called.
I don't think the ref even saw it.
This whole series for both sides have been poorly reffed.
This was a missed call. the Too Many Men was a missed call. Other than that, the refs have been non factors.
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And this game is not over yet. The Blues with a 2-goal lead worry me. :lol :lol
This game is over.
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Told ya. The Blues struggle with a 2-goal lead.
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In any given situation, it's always good to get the previous goal in.
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Crazy Cam Neely should learn to control his emotions in the press box. Big-fan Cam looks very UNPROFESSIONAL when he snaps. Not a good look!
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16 seconds left. Blues played one hell of a defensive effort.
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The Bruins blew this big time. The Blues were solid AF, but the Bruins just didn't play desperate enough. I expect them to bring it on Sunday.
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They did the 1st period but the Blues clamped down. The B's just figured out to dump and chase in the 3rd period?
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No way B's lose game 5.
:corn :corn
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No way B's lose game 6 & 7? :lol
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One win away. The fans in St. Louis on Sunday are gonna be nuts. The Blues need to match that energy and not have a letdown.
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The Bruins blew this big time. The Blues were solid AF, but the Bruins just didn't play desperate enough. I expect them to bring it on Sunday.
Ehh....Blues played pretty friggin good. The Bruins played good but Blues have continued to hold their top players pointless in even strength. (1) empty net point for your top line this series.
And....now all we will hear about is how the Bruins were screwed by a non call. There were non calls abound tonight.....including the three pick/interference plays the Bruins ran after the Perron goal.
As our wonderful Canadian buddy reminded me when the Blues were hosted on the hand pass....Cup Winning teams over come crap like that. The Bruins very well could run off two wins in a row.....but it’s a shame that all will be talked about is the “ non call” and not the fact that for a large chunk of that game the Blues controlled it.
15 down 1 to go
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Even Bruins fans hate Bruins fans. :lol :lol :lol :lol
https://twitter.com/hochman/status/1136825510099587072?s=21
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Lol. All teams have dumb fans.
Btw, time for the B's to pull a Berube and complain about the officiating to sway the next game.
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Backes had plenty of time tonight to get his crying all set and ready. :P
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Lol. Btw, is it time to give Coyle & Johansen (17 minutes) more ice time than Marchand and Pasta(21 mintes)?
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Beloved
We have sacked the town, we return to St Louis in haste to head off a contingency of Bostonians who have evaded Col O'Reillys forces and escaped the city.
We must defend St Louis
To victory to Glory
Yours
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#stlblues
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Btw, time for the B's to pull a Berube and complain about the officiating to sway the next game.
When they do make sure they include the (3) pick/interference plays they ran after the Perron goal that weren't called.....or the trip twenty seconds they did before the Bozak non call :lol
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Even Bruins fans hate Bruins fans. :lol :lol :lol :lol
https://twitter.com/hochman/status/1136825510099587072?s=21
I find it humorous that they resorted to blows after the beer was chucked. Also, the guy that chucked the beer had a nice hold on his opponent.
Also, this is really the question to really take note of that I saw in the replys.
How can people this stupid afford Stanley Cup final tickets?
One more point to tie this all together, as the fight broke out, Stone Cold Steve Austin's theme song was blasting (I don't know if that was a fan edit or the actual PA).
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Btw, time for the B's to pull a Berube and complain about the officiating to sway the next game.
When they do make sure they include the (3) pick/interference plays they ran after the Perron goal that weren't called.....or the trip twenty seconds they did before the Bozak non call :lol
Those don't count. :lol
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One more point to tie this all together, as the fight broke out, Stone Cold Steve Austin's theme song was blasting (I don't know if that was a fan edit or the actual PA).
Someone needs to edit it so "Why Can't We Be Friends?" is playing along to it.
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Wow.
Cassidy is saying that since the Blues complained about the officiating, the calls have changed. You never hear that from a coach.
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Btw, time for the B's to pull a Berube and complain about the officiating to sway the next game.
When they do make sure they include the (3) pick/interference plays they ran after the Perron goal that weren't called.....or the trip twenty seconds they did before the Bozak non call :lol
Those don't count. :lol
In all seriousness I'm bummed about the non call because I'd have rather them went on the PP....us shut them down again....then that'd have forced the pundits to give the Blues credit for keeping the Bruins top line off the board....again...(1pt this series on an empty net goal) given them a chance to talk about how lights out Binnington was.....and how the Blues played a heck of a game.
ALL we will hear for two days now is how Boston was cheated out of that game by that non call. Had the dude not tried to flop and sell it more it'd have been called....it's on him IMO.
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It is best to avoid the media for the next day, since they all be crying about how poor Boston got screwed. These will be the same douches who said nothing when Boston was getting all of the calls in the first two games. Tonight was sweet justice.
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Wow.
Cassidy is saying that since the Blues complained about the officiating, the calls have changed. You never hear that from a coach.
Difference is Berube was asked about the officiating. He didn't bring it up.....it was a question 'to' him. I think his track record and the Blues thus far in these playoffs after the 'unfortunate' calls/non calls that went against them of just shutting up and playing on shows he wasn't complaining...just answering a question.
Besides....Boston has nothing to complain about when it comes to getting power plays and getting penalties called on them. It's been an uncanny reversal of fortune for them in the playoffs compared to how it was for them in the regular season.
Let them complain for all I care...it shows they're not moving on.
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Yeah. Very true. You will. I was shocked to hear our coach say what he said.
Edit: He was asked about the officiating and he responded. It was very candid by him.
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These will be the same douches who said nothing when Boston was getting all of the calls in the first two games. Tonight was sweet justice.
And the same folks who just said 'it happens' when (6) officials missed a blatant hand pass....then it was just forgotten about in the medias eyes. Or the same people who wouldn't even show a second of screen time when Boston scored with (6) people on the ice on the PP......or the two handed lumber jack chop from Chara that would have given the Blues a 5 on 3 for 90 seconds down by 1 goal with 5 minutes to go in the game.
I mean...see....we could do this all night.
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Edit: He was asked about the officiating and he responded. It was very candid by him.
Then that was his job as a coach. He was asked....he clearly needed to address it. He's going to be asked 1000 more times over the next two day. Here's hoping to him pulling a Berube and saying it's over...on to game 6.
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I expected it but what he said and not going we need to get better was surprising.
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I had no problem with Cassidy's response in the pressroom last night. He was asked (1st question) about the non-call. He was level-headed, and pointed out MANY of the questionable calls in the entire playoffs, and basically insinuated that teams (and fans) expect to see the highest level of officiating at this time of year, and that hasn't been the case - and that's something the league needs to address. There was also a passing reference that the officiating 'changed' after "our opponent" made mention of it in the media. Cassidy is a class-act, and his response was just fine.
I don't buy in to Gary's view that it would've been called if not for Acciari 'selling' it. If the refs believed that, then it would've been off-setting penalties for tripping and embellishment. Bottom line - it was a blatant missed call. Even Bozak knew it was a penalty by his reaction - accidental, yes... but a penalty none-the-less. Gary/Kev, you'd be losing your shit if it was the other way around. Tim/Joe, you two are taking it like men. Sure you're not Canadian? :biggrin:
Bruins had their chances to get it back, but Winnington stoned 'em. He's the MVP of that game by a country mile.
And wtf with that twitter vid - I expect that out of Philly, but not Boston.
No way B's lose game 6 & 7? :lol
You're right... cuz when they lose game 6, there is no game 7. :lol
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:lol
Hey, got to give the Blues credit. They are shutting down our #1 line. They have been physical and they haven't fought through the physicality.
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Call me a homer, but if you watch the play again, it is easy to see why it was not called a penalty. Bozak actually played the puck a millisecond before making contact with the Boston player. He had knocked him over like he did without playing the puck, it absolutely would have been called, but since he played the puck, it was not. The last time I checked, you are allowed to check the guy who is playing the puck, at least that is what I was told after that hit on Robert Thomas in Game 1.
Either way, the Blues won, and to paraphrase Bill Belichick, we move on to Game 6. :biggrin:
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Call me a homer, but if you watch the play again, it is easy to see why it was not called a penalty. Bozak actually played the puck a millisecond before making contact with the Boston player. He had knocked him over like he did without playing the puck, it absolutely would have been called, but since he played the puck, it was not. The last time I checked, you are allowed to check the guy who is playing the puck, at least that is what I was told after that hit on Robert Thomas in Game 1.
Either way, the Blues won, and to paraphrase Bill Belichick, we move on to Game 6. :biggrin:
Oh dear lord... seriously!?!?!? If that was Acciari doing it to Bozak, you'd have lost your shit, cookies, and marbles all at once. Stop looking at it with homer eyes to justify it. Call it for what it was - a blatant missed call.
Bruins - hell, Acciari himself - have moved on from it (per your last statement) to focus on Game 6. So should you. Just take the win (on the call, and the game itself).
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I just said we are moving on to Game 6. :tup :tup
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I just said we are moving on to Game 6. :tup :tup
But first, Game 4 of the NBA. :caffeine:
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Exactly. Since Monday, the Bruins and Warriors are a combined 0-3. I call that a good week by any standard. :coolio :hat
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Call me a homer
Nah...
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Completely missed call. No question about it. But I think it’s ‘justice’ that it was missed given the crap that has been leveled against the Blues these playoffs.....and in Game #1 of the series.
Chad’s right......Joe and Tim are handling that WAY better than I would have :lol But the difference is on the scale of what’s ‘gone right’ as far as calls/non calls and what’s ‘gone wrong’ for the Bruins.....the scale is still tipped in their favor so I can understand their acceptance.
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It's really hard to keep "Joe Smash" from coming out. :lol
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Chad’s right......Joe and Tim are handling that WAY better than I would have :lol But the difference is on the scale of what’s ‘gone right’ as far as calls/non calls and what’s ‘gone wrong’ for the Bruins.....the scale is still tipped in their favor so I can understand their acceptance.
Exactly. Joe and Tim are smart enough to know their team had gotten some major calls/missed calls go their way in the first two games, so to complain big time about last night would come off as hilariously hypocritical, and they know it.
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I need a keyboard to properly respond but other than the Too Many Men, I have no idea what you’re referring to.
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Okay, Joe is smart enough... :lol :lol :lol
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I need a keyboard to properly respond but other than the Too Many Men, I have no idea what you’re referring to.
The other huge one was Charas slash/ lumber jack chop on Bozaks stick that broke it in two when the Blues were on the power play. That’s an automatic penalty. Every time. That’d had put the Blues on a 5 on 3 for 90 seconds, down by one with 6 minutes or so left in the game. Two HUGE F you’s to the Blues that game.
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Right the slashed stick. They’ve actually let that go all series.
There was another instance where the Bruins were on a PP or it was a delayed PP and I think the same thing or something similar happened. I remember thinking they should have a 5 on 3.
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Right the slashed stick. They’ve actually let that go all series.
not slashed....broken....in two pieces...while defending on a PK.
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utter load of mother F'n bull :censored that Ian Barbashev has a meeting with the NHL on a hit he delivered. If he has a meeting there should have been a number of guys who should be meeting today. MANY hits were questionable on both side. The ONLY reason I see they singled out Barbashev is that NBC wouldn't shut up about it and petitioned for the hearing.
the hit happened literally three feet in front of a ref.....no call. this is another batch of horse shit.
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Right the slashed stick. They’ve actually let that go all series.
not slashed....broken....in two pieces...while defending on a PK.
Yeah I saw it man. Legit.
But they’ve let slashed sticks go all series. So the dudes stick broke? Got it. But the refs also missed putting the Bruins on a 5 on 3 as well this series.
I can’t do this on my phone!!! :lol
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Exactly. Joe and Tim are smart enough to know their team had gotten some major calls/missed calls go their way in the first two games, so to complain big time about last night would come off as hilariously hypocritical, and they know it.
I think Boston fans absolutely have a right to complain. My take is that the fans from a city that has been deprived of championship success, issues like this are taken way out of context and the 'we're being hosed' complaints come out hard. Fans from a city that have been blessed with championship success, seem to be more patient with the process to get there and recognize there are ebbs and flows.
At least, that's what I'm seeing on DTF. :biggrin:
Like Tim said, other than the two calls mentioned (and the slashed stick is not what I'd call a "major" missed call), I don't know what the hell you're talking about Kev. I recall some chincy/soft penalty calls - a few more against the Blues than the Bs. As a reminder, Blues game 2 - ergo they overcame these supposed "major" calls you reference. Cup winning teams overcome, not blame, their circumstances.
Re: Barbashev... I feared that, as there clearly was head contact (though it's hard to say if the head was the primary point of contact). The NHL is over-compensating on these hits now. Might as well make it a non-contact sport - as that is the ONLY way to completely eliminate head contact.
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Re: Barbashev... I feared that, as there clearly was head contact (though it's hard to say if the head was the primary point of contact). The NHL is over-compensating on these hits now. Might as well make it a non-contact sport - as that is the ONLY way to completely eliminate head contact.
that's the thing....it wasn't just Barbashev who had a fishy looking hit. There were a handful on both sides. The Refs had zero control of that game. It's ridiculous that he's the only one going in for a hearing.
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You can't trust these bandwagon refs man, first they want the Sharks to win the cup, now they want the Blues to win the cup...
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Re: Barbashev... I feared that, as there clearly was head contact (though it's hard to say if the head was the primary point of contact). The NHL is over-compensating on these hits now. Might as well make it a non-contact sport - as that is the ONLY way to completely eliminate head contact.
that's the thing....it wasn't just Barbashev who had a fishy looking hit. There were a handful on both sides. The Refs had zero control of that game. It's ridiculous that he's the only one going in for a hearing.
I remember seeing two hits with head contact, both delivered by the Blues. Sanford on Krug was the other. Both should be considered clean hits - body-on-body, which included incidental head contact. Until the league makes it a non-contact sport, there will always be incidental/accidental/unintentional head contact. So long as the head isn't the primary point of impact, there should be no penalty or action taken. And that was the case with both those hits last night. They SHOULD be considered good clean hits, but who the hell knows. Sundqvist's hit shouldn't have warranted a Finals suspension, but they did it anyway.
The NHL is as bat-shit wonky and inconsistent as the NFL these days.
Fucking concussion lawsuits. >:(
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Barbashev clearly hit Johansson with a head shot. Intended or not. Barbashev has been headhunting the entire series.
Even Ed Olcyck (sp?) expected that play to be reviewed. Just because it wasn’t called doesn’t mean it want an infraction.
Edit: I actually had no problem with the Sanford hit on Krug.
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Chad is to the Bruins what Kevin Durant was to the Warriors: tired of losing to them, so why not defend/join them!! :lol :lol
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Chad is to the Bruins what Kevin Durant was to the Warriors: tired of losing to them, so why not defend/join them!! :lol :lol
:tup
But not really. I'm just able to be a liiiiiitle teensy weensy (and by that, I mean a LOT) more objective than you. :D ;)
Now, if when it's the Leafs in the finals, all bets are off. :lol
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Barbashev clearly hit Johansson with a head shot. Intended or not. Barbashev has been headhunting the entire series.
Even Ed Olcyck (sp?) expected that play to be reviewed. Just because it wasn’t called doesn’t mean it want an infraction.
Edit: I actually had no problem with the Sanford hit on Krug.
Citing Olcyck means nothing. He hates the Blues. Just like the Sundquist hit the reason the Boston player got hit in the head was due to his actions. Dude changed his position after playing the puck...Barbashev was already in motion. Again, just like Sundquist...happened directly in front of a ref...like RIGHT in front of him and no call.
Checking hard doesn’t mean head hunting. Besides...if we’re talking head hunting Boston fans have nothing to complain about. They’ve had their fair share.
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The Leafs in the finals? Good one. :lol :P
What's next, Tim starts listening to Phil Collins? ;)
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The Sunquist hit was a hit from behind regardless. The last second change in Grizz’s position resulted in the head shot. Sundqvist wasn't targeting the head, but it was from behind, all the way.
Look it’s been a physical series. Barbashev has gotten my attention because he comes up high on people. It was bound to catch up with him.
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The Leafs in the finals? Good one. :lol :P
What's next, Tim starts listening to Phil Collins? ;)
I'm sure you thought the same thing in January. ;)
It's a good thing I'm here for Gary, cuz you'd make me want to hate the Blues more than the Bs! :lol :lol
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The Sunquist hit was a hit from behind regardless. The last second change in Grizz’s position resulted in the head shot. Sundqvist wasn't targeting the head, but it was from behind, all the way.
Look it’s been a physical series. Barbashev has gotten my attention because he comes up high on people. It was bound to catch up with him.
Yeah. We could argue about this all day. To pretend the Bruins haven’t laid a couple ‘suspendable’ hits out there as well is dishonest. All I’m saying is if Barbashev is now getting a hearing where is the hearing for the couple Bruins hits?
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The Sunquist hit was a hit from behind regardless. The last second change in Grizz’s position resulted in the head shot. Sundqvist wasn't targeting the head, but it was from behind, all the way.
Look it’s been a physical series. Barbashev has gotten my attention because he comes up high on people. It was bound to catch up with him.
Yeah. We could argue about this all day. To pretend the Bruins haven’t laid a couple ‘suspendable’ hits out there as well is dishonest. All I’m saying is if Barbashev is now getting a hearing where is the hearing for the couple Bruins hits?
What, like the one on Tarasenko where he "sold" the head contact? :lol Dude, you know I'm 'Team Blues', but I can't recall any hits that were of the same caliber of head contact as the Sundqvist/Barbashev hits. And don't say Krug on Thomas. I absolutely hate Krug, but that hit was 100% legit.
DON'T MAKE ME DEFEND ANYTHING ABOUT A BOSTON TEAM!!!!
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There’s been no comparable hit by the Bruins as the Barbashev shot.
There’s been plenty of guys hit from behind though.
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I am finding great humor in the "I'm TEAM BLUES, but am going to defend everything Boston" shtick, Chad. That is quality. :lol :lol
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It’s called objectivity.
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It’s called objectivity.
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/566/702/3f2.jpeg)
No more than your schtick of 'everyone is out to screw the Blues' or 'we're being treated so unfairly'. :-* :P
Seriously though... often point out when others get all homer-y (particularly Bosk with the Dubs/49rs), but fail to recognize how strong it is in your own bias's. Like I said, when it's the Leafs' turn, feel free to call me out on it if/when it happens.
Just to trigger your medium term memory - I loathe everything about Boston sports, and have been routinely vocal about it - but not so much I disregard facts in the blinding glare of my home team's success. Maybe I haven't said it here frequently enough, but my playoff motto is ABB - Anyone But Boston. In every sport.
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My motto is ABC:
Anyone But Canada
:P :P
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I'm rubber, you're glue.
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So Kev if Barbashev is suspended for one game (and all who have these meetings have been suspended) who replaced him for game 6?
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So Kev if Barbashev is suspended for one game (and all who have these meetings have been suspended) who replaced him for game 6?
I’d put McKechrin in. He’s quick and throws his body around as well. I’m sure he’d get a. Suspension for playing hockey also but at least that line would still have an up tempo guy in there.
Ridiculous that it’s even an option he won’t be there considering all the high/questionable hits from both sides last night.
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So Kev if Barbashev is suspended for one game (and all who have these meetings have been suspended) who replaced him for game 6?
I’d put McKechrin in. He’s quick and throws his body around as well. I’m sure he’d get a. Suspension for playing hockey also but at least that line would still have an up tempo guy in there.
Ridiculous that it’s even an option he won’t be there considering all the high/questionable hits from both sides last night.
He play in any rounds so far?
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So Kev if Barbashev is suspended for one game (and all who have these meetings have been suspended) who replaced him for game 6?
I’d put McKechrin in. He’s quick and throws his body around as well. I’m sure he’d get a. Suspension for playing hockey also but at least that line would still have an up tempo guy in there.
Ridiculous that it’s even an option he won’t be there considering all the high/questionable hits from both sides last night.
He play in any rounds so far?
Nope. That’s why it’ll probably be Fabbri. Berube trusts him.
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I'm wondering what the B's will do in games 6? Do they go with 7 defensemen again? The forwards seemed gas at the end of the game.
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I'm wondering what the B's will do in games 6?
Lose, hopefully.
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Hopefully....
I'm hopeful too.
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As predicted the lobbying from NBC announcers and baby boy Cam Neely get Barbashev a one game suspension. Nothing like missing a game for throwing a shoulder into someone’s chest.
Great clip going around Twitter showing Steen getting interfered with/tripped twenty seconds before the bonncall on Bozak. Only difference is he hopped up and kept skating/playing rather than trying to embellish the call further by flailing backwards then laying there.
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No penalty on the play. No player hurt or concussion protocol. Only a biased announcing crew whining about it and an angry owner making a phone call.
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Be careful at the name throwing at Sea Bass. Lol
https://youtu.be/UYOFv8IArUY
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Uh ... yeah... that's an absolute horseshit call. NHL has swung the pendulum too far. Their explanation video even states that Barbashev has no history, no prior fines, and no prior suspensions. To equate that to a 1-Game Finals suspension is beyond belief. A 1-game regular season suspension might have been warranted, or a fine only.
The DPS needs to get their fuckin ego's in check. Judge, Jury, and Executioner?? The NHLPA should make this a priority negotiating point, as this is getting ridiculous. The league has become low-contact, and pretty soon people will be scared to make any kind of contact, and it will be powder-puff hockey. I can't rant anything more than what I've ranted about in the past, but Sundqvist was bad enough; this suspension is even worse.
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Add that players are actors as well which adds to the issue.
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There is no way that if Barbashev got a suspension for that.....that this:
(https://i.imgur.com/wHUdh7B.png)
Didn't warrant a suspension according to the ruling. This hit had more of a head shot than Barbashev's....yet it's a "don't poke the bear" celebrated hit.
Krug had a 100 ft run up to a standing player. I 'get' that it was a 'legal' hit in the eyes of a few. Just because he stopped skating at the Blue line doesn't mean it wasn't targeting....the momentum he generated in that 70 foot sprint and the fact that he zoned in on Thomas when the puck was barely near him...made it a questionable hit. Especially now with these two Crap rulings and their explanations.
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I think the difference is the Blues player knew Krug was coming where Johansson didn't see Barbashev coming.
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I think the difference is the Blues player knew Krug was coming where Johansson didn't see Barbashev coming.
Ehh...if anything Johansson knew Barbashev was right there. He was in close proximity. And, the clip shows even more that Barbashevs shoulder hits his chest first....head whips back due to the impact....not the hit. Point is....Krugs was more malicious if you really look at it. He was head hunting all the way down the ice wheras Barbashev was just putting a body on a guy who was making a play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3gWv1nmr7w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c6hYp81_Zk
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I disagree. He's focused on the shot. listen, I'd rather not call either. I like that kind of play. I'm giving you what I think how the league ruled.
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I disagree. He's focused on the shot. listen, I'd rather not call either. I like that kind of play. I'm giving you what I think how the league ruled.
I know. I’m just going through my pouting phase right now. It sucks for Barbashev. He’s played hard and well
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Nonsense like that suspension will make it that much sweeter if/when the Blues win the Cup. :metal :metal
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I fucking don't care if Barbashev is suspended or not. That's not my call. But to not see that the chin was the principal point of contact is..I don't even know the word.
The Krug hit the shoulder was the principal point of contact. I'm not saying the head got no contact, but the Krug and Barbashev hits aren't even comparable.
I think the difference is the Blues player knew Krug was coming where Johansson didn't see Barbashev coming.
That's not even it. They're not comparable.
Nothing like missing a game for throwing a shoulder into someone’s chest.
Apparently Johansen breathes through his tits.
Uh ... yeah... that's an absolute horseshit call. NHL has swung the pendulum too far. Their explanation video even states that Barbashev has no history, no prior fines, and no prior suspensions. To equate that to a 1-Game Finals suspension is beyond belief. A 1-game regular season suspension might have been warranted, or a fine only.
The DPS needs to get their fuckin ego's in check. Judge, Jury, and Executioner?? The NHLPA should make this a priority negotiating point, as this is getting ridiculous. The league has become low-contact, and pretty soon people will be scared to make any kind of contact, and it will be powder-puff hockey. I can't rant anything more than what I've ranted about in the past, but Sundqvist was bad enough; this suspension is even worse.
J Boy, you've been objective through this series so I appreciate your opinion on this. The hit was pretty nasty. Like I said, honestly, the NHL could go either way. They're trying to get rid of head shots so I understand.
I know. I’m just going through my pouting phase right now. It sucks for Barbashev. He’s played hard and well
Barbashev has been a beast.
Stop fucking pouting bro. Man. You're one win away from a Cup.
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Dammit Tim. It's too late to read a manifesto. Lol
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The overhead camera angle makes the Barbashev hit look nastier than the normal camera angle, I'll give it that. But no way the DPS should warrant that to a 1-game finals suspension. Same with Sundqvist. Those may have been regular season suspend-able hits, but they shouldn't for the finals. Back in the day, Lemiuex got 2 games for the Draper hit. Anyone trying to tell me that the current two suspensions were 50% as bad as Lemieux's ... well, I don't know what the word is.
DPS is going over-extending their reach (imo), and the NHLPA better try to make it a negotiating point. Otherwise, things are just gonna get worse. I said earlier that the players have to protect themselves, not rely on the league to do it via after-the-fact punishment.
I'll say it again, the ONLY way to completely get rid of head-shots is to make it a no-contact game. Per Gary's earlier post (showing the pic of Krug/Thomas hit), there will ALWAYS be accidental, incidental, and unintentional head contact. The more I see DPS stepping in, and the more I think about it, I'm beginning to realize that it's more about the image of the league to make it look like they care about head contact. We all know that even a 'lighter' hit can cause concussion damage - eg, the one on Tarasenko in Game 4 where he ridiculously flung his head back. THAT hit wasn't very strong, but the head was the primary point of contact, and it was avoidable - so why not review that one?? Because it didn't look all that bad. If they REALLY want to eliminate head contact, they'd get rid of this ridiculous criteria of "primary point of contact" and judgement of "avoidable". Get one of these fucking DPS clowns moving around at the speed these players do and see what is "avoidable" or not.
If it was really about protecting the players, the NHL would put a lot more effort in improving development programs about how to take a hit, how to deliver one, and how to not put yourself in vulnerable positions. I now firmly believe the DPS is all about image and lawsuits, and being able to point to 'we're doing something about it'. This is no coincidence that these suspensions are happening more frequently this year - 5 'illegal check to the head' (incl 3 in the post-season) suspensions last season; 12 this season (incl 3 in the post-season). It's also no coincidence that there are more proportionately in the playoffs - when the national media spotlight is greater.
tl;dr ... It's all about image, lawsuits, and the appearance of doing something.
P.S. Tim/Joe... I seem to recall you guys thinking McIvoy's suspension was a crap call 2 rounds ago (which it was). :biggrin:
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I don’t think I did. I thought it was inadvertent and I’m pretty sure I didn’t protest the call.
Maybe you’ll prove me wrong.
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I resigned myself to the suspension. I didn't like it but I figured it would be a game.
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Here’s the only comment I could find...
Not a smart play by McAvoy. Bruins dodged a huge bullet.
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And this one.
I'd rather him miss game 1 against Carolina than Game 7 against Columbus. the B's better win.
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Great point about the head hit on Tarasenko in Game 4. The Boston player actually got penalized for an illegal hit to the head!! Where was the suspension for that??
Note: I do not think there is some conspiracy or that the league wants to Boston to win, but when two Blues get dinged with bogus suspensions, while the Bruins get away with stuff like that, it is a bit maddening, and should explain why some of us get aggravated about such stuff.
And that is why this outrage from the media about Game 5 is ridiculous. They all want to act like Boston was robbed, while they ignore the crap that happened earlier in the series. Even if the Blues hadn't overcame the Bruins goal with six men on the ice in Game 2, I doubt the media would have cared. The selective outrage is absurd.
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My motto is ABC:
Anyone But Canada
:P :P
So funny how that's worked out. Beaten at your own game.
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And that is why this outrage from the media about Game 5 is ridiculous. They all want to act like Boston was robbed, while they ignore the crap that happened earlier in the series. Even if the Blues hadn't overcame the Bruins goal with six men on the ice in Game 2, I doubt the media would have cared. The selective outrage is absurd.
I think it's clear at this point. The media wants Boston to win. They are the more well-known team in the more well-known city, which brings in ratings, and they can tie it together over Boston's dominance in sports in the last year and can bring people that hates Boston (the city) in general to want to watch them lose. Personally, I would have loved them to push more for St. Louis story. Never won a cup in the 50+ years of the Franchise. Never won a game in the Cup Finals. Team was in the crapper for the last few years. Reached a low point back in January and somehow rallied hard to make it to this point.
Would have been a better feelgood story if the media would present it this way rather than push for Boston's dominance in sports and think that every thing that happened against the Bruins is a travesty while overlook any potential wrongdoing that the Bruins did. Oh well, just play solid hockey in Game 6 hope all goes well and the media can go suck it in the end.
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Eh if St. Louis wins it all, the announcers will play up the feel good story anyway.
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And that is why this outrage from the media about Game 5 is ridiculous. They all want to act like Boston was robbed, while they ignore the crap that happened earlier in the series. Even if the Blues hadn't overcame the Bruins goal with six men on the ice in Game 2, I doubt the media would have cared. The selective outrage is absurd.
I think it's clear at this point. The media wants Boston to win. They are the more well-known team in the more well-known city, which brings in ratings, and they can tie it together over Boston's dominance in sports in the last year and can bring people that hates Boston (the city) in general to want to watch them lose. Personally, I would have loved them to push more for St. Louis story. Never won a cup in the 50+ years of the Franchise. Never won a game in the Cup Finals. Team was in the crapper for the last few years. Reached a low point back in January and somehow rallied hard to make it to this point.
Would have been a better feelgood story if the media would present it this way rather than push for Boston's dominance in sports and think that every thing that happened against the Bruins is a travesty while overlook any potential wrongdoing that the Bruins did. Oh well, just play solid hockey in Game 6 hope all goes well and the media can go suck it in the end.
What media are we talking about? The two neutral sites I frequent are TSN.NHL and ESPN.NHL. Not seeing any bias there.
I know Bellows and Rupp still have the Bruins on NHL Network. Jameson Coyle is a Boston guy so I’ll give you him.
In fact, while Rupp is picking the Bruins, he’s always been pretty critical towards them.
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This thread has more propaganda than the KHL Thread.
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If the Stanley Cup were decided on which arena had better music in between plays, Boston would win in a landslide. Their DJ plays so much metal, and he picks the most perfect time to play Stone Cold Steve Austin's theme song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-DHfb2z7Dk
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(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/450x600q90/924/SKsyGj.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poSKsyGjj)
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:lol :lol :lol
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I think it's clear at this point. The media wants Boston to win.
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl
Top story
Blues Conn Smythe candidates
Maroon
Chara
Berube
Thomas
Chara
https://www.espn.com/nhl/
Top Story-St. Louis
then..
Lottery playing Blues fan
Neutral Cup update
Chara
Quest For The Cup
Barclay the Dog??
https://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/
Pretty neutral homepage
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl
Not much here either way. Lots of pictures of Blues' players though..
https://www.nbcsports.com/
Only hockey story on top of homepage is about Binnington
Drilling down:
https://www.nbcsports.com/nhl
Binnington article
Chara
Blues
Tarasenko
Blues
Chara/Dunn
So that's 5 national sports outlets.
Please link support for your statement because frankly I think it's a fallacy.
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All right, I got nothing. I'm a moron. I don't know. It could be that me wanting to see Boston not win another championship in the last year clouding my brain that I'm just throwing random statements out of nowhere.
Also, it could very well be that I think NBC having a relative east-coast bias or hard on when covering hockey is getting to me as well. This one is what I think without providing any facts or articles or statements about it and maybe that part is untrue as well. I don't know, that's how I am perceiving it.
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All right, I got nothing. I'm a moron. I don't know. It could be that me wanting to see Boston not win another championship in the last year clouding my brain that I'm just throwing random statements out of nowhere.
Also, it could very well be that I think NBC having a relative east-coast bias or hard on when covering hockey is getting to me as well. This one is what I think without providing any facts or articles or statements about it and maybe that part is untrue as well. I don't know, that's how I am perceiving it.
You're not a moron! :lol
Rooting against Boston doesn't make you a moron. Heck. there's plenty of morons rooting for Boston. :lol
I linked the NHL on NBC schedule the other day. I think the teams that had the most games were the Pens, Caps, and Blackhawks. I didn't count every team.
The Bruins had 5 national games and the Blues had 4.
I think NBC wants to have as many TV's on in the country as they can. Every network caters to the New York. In the NBC boardrooms, I'm sure if they could hand pick the two NHL markets they desire the most for viewership, they would. But I don't think anyone is actively rooting for one side or the other.
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My issue and the ‘bias’ I speak towards when I mention it is the announcing/commentators. They don’t even hide their pro Boston slant. Which is fine by now, used to it and it’s actually fun now listening to them make excuse after excuse rather than give credit where credit is due.
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Which announcers because Olzcyk definitely doesn't have a Boston slant.
Emrick has roots way back with the Maine Mariners, but I don't get a "Boston" slant from him either.
Let me rephrase that. He has a LOT of roots here. In his heart of hearts, he might be rooting for the Bruins, but I'm just not hearing that on the broadcasts.
If it's those two you're talking about, then I am definitely missing it completely.
The world does not hate St. Louis.
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Yeah.....Tim, we will never agree on this. It is what it is. There’s just too much history of disrespect and dismissal of the St. Louis Blues over the years that frankly you, Joe ...Chad....none of you can relate.
Perhaps there is a level of paranoia and sensitivity that Kev and I have developed due to this that causes us to maybe see/interpret things differently.....but that is due to years of ‘abuse’.
So...for the sake of driving each other mad I’ll just drop it all from here on out.
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There’s just too much history of disrespect and dismissal of the St. Louis Blues over the years
That's interesting. What are some of the things that have happened?
I can tell you that personally, I would be rooting for the Blues over any team BUT the Bruins. I goof around with my Backes love, but for years, he was my favorite Non Bruin player in the league.
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Fun Fact:
I was born in Missouri. :)
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My issue and the ‘bias’ I speak towards when I mention it is the announcing/commentators. They don’t even hide their pro Boston slant. Which is fine by now, used to it and it’s actually fun now listening to them make excuse after excuse rather than give credit where credit is due.
Well, Jeremy Roenick used to play for the Blackhawks for a lengthy period of time so in his case, there might be some residue that could look more like anti-Blues than pro-Bruins.
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My issue and the ‘bias’ I speak towards when I mention it is the announcing/commentators. They don’t even hide their pro Boston slant. Which is fine by now, used to it and it’s actually fun now listening to them make excuse after excuse rather than give credit where credit is due.
Well, Jeremy Roenick used to play for the Blackhawks for a lengthy period of time so in his case, there might be some residue that could look more like anti-Blues than pro-Bruins.
Plus he grew up 25 miles south of Boston.
I don't count him anyway. He's a jack ass.
But he was filthy when he played in Chicago.
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I liked him as a player, but he's a terrible TV personality.
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Good morning on what is likely the last day of the hockey season.
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You shut it.
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Robert Thomas will be playing tonight for the first time since Game 1. :metal :metal
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The Backes t shirt is being benched and the Bergeron will be making it's playoff debut tonight.
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Just like Backus again. They are going with Kulhman.
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Oh are they? Good. I assume he's playing with Krejci.
Any word on Grizz?
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Out.
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BOO!
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The Stanley Cup is in the house.
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Make them pay again!!
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Oh, they'll call that leg whip. Lol
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Oh, they'll call that leg whip. Lol
Should be suspended. Dirty ass play. Again. Did it to Parayako last game.
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Yeah Gary, you're missing the joke. Lol
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Yeah Gary, you're missing the joke. Lol
The joke will be IF there’s a game 7 that he gets to play. I mean, players safety and all and dirty hits.
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Oh, they'll call that leg whip. Lol
Should be suspended. Dirty ass play. Again. Did it to Parayako last game.
I thought after the last game that slew footing was allowed.
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Both teams doing it. Either call it all the time or let it go.
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They are letting them play tonight, which should favor the Blues, but they had to call Marchand on that. That was a dumb penalty to take.
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If that was the case Chara battling wouldn't have been a penalty. Marchand was a penalty.
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Obviously the refs feel the best chance for the Bruins to win is to play shorthanded as much as possible. :lol
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:lol
Kev dammit. Get the lump out of your throat and type something to piss us off! :lol
I miss you.
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Well, see you all Wednesday.
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Huge Disappointment. Blues deserved that ass kicking. How do you not show up for that game? Had chances early but once they didn’t capitolize it was over.
Those are my final comments in this thread until after game Wed. night.
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I said the Home teams would LOSE games 5 and 6.
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No way Boston loses Game 7 at home. It’s been a great run, but I think the St. Louis Cinderella story ends Wednesday night.
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No way Boston loses Game 7 at home. It’s been a great run, but I think the St. Louis Cinderella story ends Wednesday night.
Same. Smells so much like the Leafs series, and we know how that ended. I simply cannot fathom the Bs losing 3 times at home.
>:(
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No way Boston loses Game 7 at home. It’s been a great run, but I think the St. Louis Cinderella story ends Wednesday night.
Cinderella?
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Oh, they'll call that leg whip. Lol
Should be suspended. Dirty ass play. Again. Did it to Parayako last game.
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/B4ORVnBvJCVvq/giphy.gif)
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I woke up this morning sick to my stomach. By 6:00 am, my wife gave me the first of multiple reminders coming today that the Bruins are not sending me a paycheck. :lol
I have the day off. I wish I was working to make the time go by.
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It all ends tonight.
Go Blues!!!
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It all ends tonight.
Go Blues!!!
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It all ends tonight.
Go Blues!!!
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So Nick, are you picking the Blues? (please please :lol)
..or merely rooting for them?
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Anyone else always have a feeling of melancholy before the last game of the playoffs? Like, this is it for hockey until 3+ months from now...
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Definitely. It doesn't help that the Red Sox are sucking big time.
I enthusiastically watch the Stanley Cup presentation every year. The only one I have missed that I can remember was 2013, for obvious reasons.
Hoping to see it tonight..
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Wish I could watch the game tonight, but I've got a ticket to see Paul Gilbert in the city. Go Blues!
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So Nick, are you picking the Blues? (please please :lol)
..or merely rooting for them?
I picked Boston at the start of the series.
That said, fuck the Bruins, go Blues!
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This thread is so much fun today. :lol
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It'd be funner with, you know, the actual DTFrs from St. Louis. But, guess they only post in good times :biggrin:
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It'd be funner with, you know, the actual DTFrs from St. Louis. But, guess they only post in good times :biggrin:
Nah. Just tired of taking shit for posts. I could have spent the past couple days posting video of that cheap shot artist Marchant and his patented potential career ending knee the back of the leg move he likes to do so much....and how if the players safety board really gave a :censored he'd not be playing tonight.
Or the fact that the only two games the Bruins have looked dominant is when we've had two of our key role players suspended for essentially throwing a hockey hit....on plays where the Boston players themselves were actually more at fault for the hits than the Blues due to the body positions they put themselves in.
Could talk about a bunch of stuff but it's not really important at this point. Gonna watch the greatest Blues victory ever tonight....pop in to relay my excitement then that will be that.
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Well, to be fair, DPS only wants to pretend they care about head injuries. Until there's a lawsuit about torn ACL's from knee-on-knee hits, I don't think you'll see suspensions for that anytime soon. But I'm 99% with ya on the two suspensions (the 1% where we disagree is whether Johanson put himself in a vulnerable position - I don't think he did. But I don't think it was dirty or suspend-worthy. Just an accidental hit to the head while throwing a check.
Is it official who is gonna be scratched for Barbashev? Thomas?
I hear Grzelcyk is gonna be suiting up.
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Well, to be fair, DPS only wants to pretend they care about head injuries. Until there's a lawsuit about torn ACL's from knee-on-knee hits, I don't think you'll see suspensions for that anytime soon. But I'm 99% with ya on the two suspensions (the 1% where we disagree is whether Johanson put himself in a vulnerable position - I don't think he did. But I don't think it was dirty or suspend-worthy. Just an accidental hit to the head while throwing a check.
Is it official who is gonna be scratched for Barbashev? Thomas?
I hear Grzelcyk is gonna be suiting up.
Thomas is out, Blais back on the line with Maroon and Bozak. Thomas is still dealing with the wrist injury. Bortuzzo out....Edmunson in. Berube says Petro and Paryako eat up a ton of ice time and are RH shots so he wanted another lefty in there. Which....that's a 50/50 shot. Edmunson can be a mean, tough...good player. But he's had a rough finals.
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I'd rather have Bortuzzo. Edmunson looks has looked like a stiff. I think for this kind of game, I'd go with Bortuzzo.
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I'd rather have Bortuzzo. Edmunson looks has looked like a stiff. I think for this kind of game, I'd go with Bortuzzo.
Yeah. I'm not thrilled about that move at all. But, Berube has a pretty good pulse for his players so I'll take his word for it.
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I'd rather have Bortuzzo. Edmunson looks has looked like a stiff. I think for this kind of game, I'd go with Bortuzzo.
Yeah. I'm not thrilled about that move at all. But, Berube has a pretty good pulse for his players so I'll take his word for it.
Totally.
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Work has been nuts. I'm here now. I need 3 hours of madness on the ice tonight. can't wait.
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I live on the West coast and won't be getting home until 6, and so I'll miss the first period. It's been pretty terrifying to turn the TV on not knowing how the game is going, and in this case it's going to be so much worse so I may need to work on some breathing exercises. This is probably the biggest sports night in St. Louis history, with both the Enterprise Center and Busch Stadium selling out for watch parties, and I really hope everyone gets to celebrate tonight, especially after the misery of Game 6. It would mean so much for my parents to finally witness this after waiting 50+ years. But since this is a sick and unjust world, I wouldn't be surprised if a missed hand pass goal in Double OT wins it for the Bruins.
It's too bad it's almost 100 degrees in Portland right now or else I'd be outside looking for four-leaf clovers!
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And I just hope Edmundson can stay out of the damn penalty box this time!
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Crossing fingers for the 13th championship in 18 years. I always wondered what it would fel like. That feeling never gets old.
Gokd luck to my friends Gary & Kev. Either way it ends it's been one hell of a series.
Hey, this guy predicted it would go 7 games. Go B'!
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I was in France for the last week so I missed games 5 & 6, but thanks to the NHL dragging out the series, I get to watch game 7 tonight now that I'm back in the States.
I'm really pulling for the Blues, the odds are clearly against them as they've been all along. Something tells me they'll win in a close game, like a 2-1 final score. Hopefully the game will be exciting enough to help me battle this jet lag, but I'm sure I'll pass out on the couch at some point in the second period :lol
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My heart rate is already at unhealthy levels.
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Paying Bill's seemed more calming than watching the pregame. :lol
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I woke up at 6:00 am to the Blues scoring a freak goal.
I've been sick to my stomach all day. I could barely eat dinner.
I'm having trouble seeing the Blues lose. They bring that sick girl all the way out here, not that there's not like a half dozen hospitals in Boston filled with sick kids, but I think the Blues will go through the wall for her.
And a bunch of people going to Busch stadium? That's crazy!
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Both 4th lines starting the game. As expected.
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BINNINGTON!! Holy shit!
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Current heart rate. 675/250
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Jesus H....
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BINNINGTON!! Holy shit!
He's been amazing.
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Not a good omen.
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Not a good omen.
Nope.
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That's the game. Tuukka has to have that one.
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Talk about dominate and down 2-0? This will be Everest like with the way the Blues play defensively.
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Only Emrick makes a hockey game should like a horse race.
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Bruins are not playing desperate enough in the 2nd. That goal at the end of the first was a killer.
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Hey Gary and Kev. Take a breath. You can post. Your team is playing the perfect away game right now.
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I have already changed the channel to the MLB Network, where you'll find me for the next 4 months. ;D
Congrats Gary and Kev and St. Louis.
Against any other team but the Bruins, I would've been rooting for the Blues.
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3-0.
Game over. Congrats Gary and Kev. Defensively the Blues were amazing. Binnington was amazing tonight. Enjoy the thrill of winning the cup. You guys deserve it.
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Jebus, almost 13 minutes in the 3rd and no TV timeout yet for the period.
Edit: Oh finally.
Edit x2: All right, now I think the Blues fans can breathe easy.
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4-0 Blues. Lord Stanley's Cup is headed to St. Louis!
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Holy shit. The St Louis Blues are Stanley Cup champs. What a turn around!
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3-0.
Game over. Congrats Gary and Kev. Defensively the Blues were amazing. Binnington was amazing tonight. Enjoy the thrill of winning the cup. You guys deserve it.
Thanks Joe. This is unbelievable. I can’t believe this.
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So enjoy the week of my DTF avatar and Twitter! Lol
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Wow, it actually happened! I wasn't sure I'd ever live to see this day. The Bruins are a very special team and capable of miraculous comebacks and so I wasn't able to relax until that 4th goal. I think I'll be watching videos of celebrations throughout St. Louis all night long and pretending I'm there :)
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Congrats Gary and Kev and St. Louis.
Against any other team but the Bruins, I would've been rooting for the Blues.
Thanks Tim. I’m still up and it’s slowly sinking in. The Blues are Stanley Cup Champions. It’s unreal.
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Today will be a looooong day.
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I said to Gary before the game started that he needed to play like Jordan Winnington, and boy did he ever. As a Leafs fan, you can NEVER count out a Boston team, so even at 2-0 with 8 to play, there's no security. That save on Johansson with 7-ish to go, and then quickly following with the 3-0 goal was marvellous. Thoughts on the game:
- the ice was terrible. The first 10-12 minutes the puck was flipping and flopping all over the place. It didn't improve much, but it was REALLY bad in the 1st.
- Pasta.... Da fuq was with him? The pressure? The ice? He fanned on 5 - FIVE - really good opportunities. Outright whiffed on the puck.
- If not for the two lopsided losses, I think Binners wins the Conn Smythe. It sure was cool to hear the stat that O'Reilly was the first since Gretz (in '85) to score in 4-straight finals games, but c'mon.... without Binnington, they don't win a lot of the games that they did. O'Reilly had some key goals/points, and was a stud on faceoffs, but I don't think that warranted the Conn Smythe.
- Refs were on point. Though to be fair, there were only a few instances where a penalty could've even been considered, and they let the the game decide itself.
Now on to the other clinching game tonight. Then it'll be a sport-free summer, cuz the other two leagues are just so uninteresting to me nowadays.
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Oh... also, I just gotta say.
Blues Finals roster - 18 Canadians
Bruins Finals roster - 4 Canadians (and 12 Americans)
:biggrin:
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*note* 2 lopsided losses were both games the Blues has those questionable suspended players.
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I would say bad goaltending in the 2 lopsided loses. The other games he was nails.
If you told me the B's would lose 3 out of the 4 games at home I would have said you were high but they did.
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I would say bad goaltending in the 2 lopsided loses. The other games he was nails.
If you told me the B's would lose 3 out of the 4 games at home I would have said you were high but they did.
I think you’re right about both. But, them being out of the lineup messed with the ‘chemistry’ of the team.
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LOVED the NBC coverage of the Cup hoisting. The parabolic mike got each and every (and I mean that almost literally; I counted one guy that DIDN'T do this) Blues player hoisting the cup and screaming some variation on "FUCKIN' A!" Ten guys in a row with a clear, audible f-bomb. Then they cut to the local commercial and when they came back Mike Emrick gave the normal "we always give 100% to get you the best coverage, and in doing so, apologize deeply for the foul language and any offense that we might have caused anyone, and we've taken steps to prevent that from happening again." That's of course when I tuned out.
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LOVED the NBC coverage of the Cup hoisting. The parabolic mike got each and every (and I mean that almost literally; I counted one guy that DIDN'T do this) Blues player hoisting the cup and screaming some variation on "FUCKIN' A!" Ten guys in a row with a clear, audible f-bomb. Then they cut to the local commercial and when they came back Mike Emrick gave the normal "we always give 100% to get you the best coverage, and in doing so, apologize deeply for the foul language and any offense that we might have caused anyone, and we've taken steps to prevent that from happening again." That's of course when I tuned out.
That was absolutely hilarious, clear as day F-bombs coming through each time.
Kudos to St. Louis - my corporate office is in St. Louis and they lived through the last two Blackhawks Stanley Cups that we experienced here in Chicago (2013 and 2015). So it's nice to see my coworkers down there get to experience this, plus it's exciting for franchise to get their first championship.
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I remember Rod Brind'amour's voracious use of the f-bomb when Carolina won and it was a huge deal about the on-ice mics. NBC's coverage is laughable at best anyway. Not to mention, NBC's streaming feed over Hulu was royally fucking up with distortion and botched visuals all night.
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I particularly enjoyed them spending a large portion of the initial aftermath showing the dejected faces of the Bruins rather than the elated, celebrating faces of the Blues. It put an exclamation point on where their priorities were....in case it wasn’t clear.
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I particularly enjoyed them spending a large portion of the initial aftermath showing the dejected faces of the Bruins rather than the elated, celebrating faces of the Blues. It put an exclamation point on where their priorities were....in case it wasn’t clear.
Well, in another perspective, didn't you had that feeling that you want to drink their tears in those shots?
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I particularly enjoyed them spending a large portion of the initial aftermath showing the dejected faces of the Bruins rather than the elated, celebrating faces of the Blues. It put an exclamation point on where their priorities were....in case it wasn’t clear.
Well, in another perspective, didn't you had that feeling that you want to drink their tears in those shots?
Ehh....I get where you’re going with it but I’d have preferred all Blues. I know ‘why’ they had to show both sides. But it seemed drawn out.
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Congrats to the resident Blues fans! They really brought it last night!
We Kings fans got our 7 years earlier, but I can say that I know how you guys feel, so enjoy it. The next few months should be a lot of fun.
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https://deadspin.com/the-blues-sure-dropped-a-lot-of-f-bombs-after-winning-t-1835484884?utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow&fbclid=IwAR1z02ebnrTIGVOLTmTPT2JhXYzllz_vD0Qv189d-pmf9QC8EHu1HlmxgQc&/setsession
#10 is my favorite. :lol
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By the way, whatever happened to skating around with the Cup? It seemed like Pietrangelo took it from Bettman and then basically beelined to the next guy. No one really took it for a spin, and they all seemed like they were in a hurry to get rid of it. I get that they were on the opposing team's ice, but there seemed to be plenty of Blues fans who had worked their way down to the glass. If it's me, I'm doing at least half a lap before giving it up (and if my skate severs a camera or mic cable in the process, too bad).
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On-ice celebrations have become shorter and shorter ever since NBC started covering the NHL. I know I rag on NBC a lot, but the coverage quality has declined DRAMATICALLY since they took over.
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By the way, whatever happened to skating around with the Cup? It seemed like Pietrangelo took it from Bettman and then basically beelined to the next guy. No one really took it for a spin, and they all seemed like they were in a hurry to get rid of it. I get that they were on the opposing team's ice, but there seemed to be plenty of Blues fans who had worked their way down to the glass. If it's me, I'm doing at least half a lap before giving it up (and if my skate severs a camera or mic cable in the process, too bad).
That was one of my thoughts watching it too. All of them just skated between the red and blue line and back. I was beginning to think the league had lined up a carpet and they couldn't get past it, but not the case. So, wth???
Sad.
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On-ice celebrations have become shorter and shorter ever since NBC started covering the NHL. I know I rag on NBC a lot, but the coverage quality has declined DRAMATICALLY since they took over.
Meh...I was there when the Kings won in 2012. The on-ice celebration lasted LONG after the coverage stopped. Players and the Cup remained on the ice well over an hour after the presentation of the Cup, and the Cup didn't leave the ice until Dustin Brown took it to go and find the Kings' long-time broadcaster, Bob Miller, who had not come down to the ice. I was gonna say it might be different for a team winning the Cup on the road, but really what difference does it make?
That was one of my thoughts watching it too. All of them just skated between the red and blue line and back. I was beginning to think the league had lined up a carpet and they couldn't get past it, but not the case. So, wth???
Sad.
It seriously looked like they were playing hot potato!
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By the way, whatever happened to skating around with the Cup? It seemed like Pietrangelo took it from Bettman and then basically beelined to the next guy. No one really took it for a spin, and they all seemed like they were in a hurry to get rid of it. I get that they were on the opposing team's ice, but there seemed to be plenty of Blues fans who had worked their way down to the glass. If it's me, I'm doing at least half a lap before giving it up (and if my skate severs a camera or mic cable in the process, too bad).
That was one of my thoughts watching it too. All of them just skated between the red and blue line and back. I was beginning to think the league had lined up a carpet and they couldn't get past it, but not the case. So, wth???
Sad.
One of my immediate thoughts as well. Hell, Ray Bourque took a whole damn lap with the thing back in ‘02(?) before letting it go. I don’t know why it’s changed, but I’m not much of a fan of it. Were they told by NBC, “If you want us to show everyone getting their glory, you have exactly three seconds with it before you have to pass it on...”?
Now *this* is a proper Cup brigade:
https://youtu.be/lg9n8iO5SEA
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Now *this* is a proper Cup brigade:
https://youtu.be/lg9n8iO5SEA
Damn right. I still think that was my favorite Stanley Cup finals. Two incredibly evenly matched teams, and every single game was phenomenal. And coincidentally, the last all-Canadian cup final - there should've been another if not for the blown Gretzky high-stick major penalty in game 6 of LA/Toronto. #NotBitterAtAll.
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Oh... also, I just gotta say.
Blues Finals roster - 18 Canadians
Bruins Finals roster - 4 Canadians (and 12 Americans)
:biggrin:
Maple Leafs Finals Roster? :neverusethis:
Oops!
Thoughts on the game:
- the ice was terrible. The first 10-12 minutes the puck was flipping and flopping all over the place. It didn't improve much, but it was REALLY bad in the 1st.
- Pasta.... Da fuq was with him? The pressure? The ice? He fanned on 5 - FIVE - really good opportunities. Outright whiffed on the puck.
- Refs were on point. Though to be fair, there were only a few instances where a penalty could've even been considered, and they let the the game decide itself.
Chad, I totally agree with all points. The ice was brutal. The Bruins couldn't handle a pass.
Pasta absolutely blew. He scored a nice goal in Game 6, but you're dead on. He whiffed big time on a number of opportunities.
No issues with the refs.
I have a few thoughts regarding the series..
* This was Ryan O'Reilly's coming out party. He was from a good player to superstar status. Good for him. He's solid AF. The Selke is his this year too.
* Craig Berube is a great coach. You can see how he inspires his team.
* I never bought the Cinderella bullshit. BUT, what the Blues did in the second half was incredible. I chalk it up to playing to potential after tanking to get their coach fired in the first half. People way smarter than me were quick to dismiss the Blues. I saw the Blues coming a mile away.
* I knew the Bruins were toast as soon as that sick girl made the trip. The world is cruel, but that kid was not going to be disappointed.
* I'm a closet Blues fan. The Blues games are the games I look forward to the most when the Bruins schedule comes out. In fact, we considered going to St. Louis for the Bruins game this year. David Backes, when he was with the Blues, was my favorite non Bruin player in the NHL.
* I've always been lukewarm on Alex Pietrangelo. But he was fucking awesome in this series.
* Oskar Sundvist can play on my team any day. That guy is beastly.
Finally, I'm glad Gary could enjoy the moment with his boys. In the end, that's what it's all about. It's a moment that'll last a lifetime.
I told Gary offline that I would trade all 6 Super Bowl wins for another Cup. I'm dead serious. There's nothing like winning the Cup. Nothing.
That said, I still had like a dozen championship t shirts to choose from this morning! ;D
Bummed about the B's for sure, but this was a great year. I can't believe there's no more hockey to watch.
Till the draft...cheers!
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Now *this* is a proper Cup brigade:
https://youtu.be/lg9n8iO5SEA
Damn right. I still think that was my favorite Stanley Cup finals. Two incredibly evenly matched teams, and every single game was phenomenal. And coincidentally, the last all-Canadian cup final - there should've been another if not for the blown Gretzky high-stick major penalty in game 6 of LA/Toronto. #NotBitterAtAll.
This was the year my parents introduced me to watching hockey, and was the first SC finals I ever watched. Growing up is Salt Lake City, the Golden Eagles were Calgary’s farm team until ‘94, so it was cool to see players come through that were on their way up. I don’t remember much about this finals series, but I do remember watching this game and the win. My whole family was Flames fans at the time due to the affiliation, and of course I remember the excitement that night.
Now what I do remember is that series prior to this one: Calgary against Vancouver. THAT one was fucking bonkers off the hook, and Vernon saved Calgary’s ass many times in those games.
Correction: It seems that the Cal-Van series was a divisional series, not the conference one. Foggy memory after 30 years...
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Nice post Tim :tup
So I've had all day to kind of 'enjoy' this....it still seems so strange that the Blues are Stanley Cup Champions. :metal
A couple thoughts:
- The Blues defense played incredible for the majority of the Playoffs. The team as a whole had a clunker or two here and there but all in all, if you look at it....they completely shut down each respective team they played 'top' lines. Particularly the D pairing of Colton Paryako and Jay Boumeester. They were rock freaking solid.
- Speaking of Paryako. He rose to the challenge these playoffs and at times it looked like he was just showing off. He can move the puck with ease up the ice by either passing, skating it up and he gets back in three strides which leaves it near impossible to burn the guy. He's become the player they hoped he would.
- I was ready to write off Petrangelo and just let him leave and be done with him. BUT....that guy came to freaking play in these playoffs....particularly in the Finals. He was a beast and I think he finally reached that upper echelon that he never before quite could reach.
- Vladamir Tarasenko came into his own as well. He had points, scored goals...but...what was awesome to see was him to elevate his game to making the sacrifices that were needed to keep the team game strong.
- What can you say about Ryan O'Reily? Played with two cracked ribs suffered in game 2 of the Dallas series (which I'm sure there were a ton of players playing hurt) and just kept churning. Like a few other players, really turned up his game and emptied the tank for the finals. So stoked that he's a Blue for four more full seasons in the prime of his career.
- Finally. Jordan freaking Binnington. The 'knock' on the Blues since I can remember is that they always lacked a goalie that could give them a shot. When we did have one Chad's homeboy Kipreous defied physics and fell forward to break Fuhr's knee. Anyway.....Binnington isn't the most flashy or athletic goalie out there. What he is just solid. He plays great positional goal and will throw that flashy/athletic save in there every now and then....but the majority of his saves are due to his good positioning. Having a goalie that makes the saves that he 'should' make gave the team in front of him the confidence that they could play their game and not have to worry that a cheese goal would go in. A scenario far too common with Allen.
It's no secret that I have the tendency to get a bit emotional when posting about the Blues....this years playoff run to the Cup had me amped up more than usual so thanks to you guys for not taking any of my rantings during this too personal. This was quite a ride and it was made all the more better by watching the Cup Clinching game with my wife and boys....just us....counting it down and relishing the moment.
We are heading down to the parade and rally this Saturday. Estimated that there will be a million people there!!!! That's insane for our city!!! But we HAVE to go!
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Nick Kypreos is a dick anyway.
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Just reserved a (2) Night Stay for the gmillerdrake clan and the Hyatt at the Arch....all Club access. Figured we didn't spend any $$$ on the actual playoffs could drop some $$$ to where we can get down there tomorrow night and check in at 4:00 and not have to worry about getting in and out of the city on Saturday with expected crowds.
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Awesome.
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All in I see. The boys will never forget.
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Okay, I have been avoiding this thread, and other sports threads the last few days because it seems like they bring out the worst in everyone including myself, but I had to eventually pop in to this thread to say:
STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS!!!! :metal :metal
We wanted the Cup.
We got the Cup. :coolio :hat
That Game 7 victory surpassed the Broncos Super Bowl 32 win as my all-time favorite sports moment. Amazing.
Thanks to Joe and Tim, who thanked us by name, and pg1067, who congratulated all Blues fans. :tup :tup
It's no secret that I have the tendency to get a bit emotional when posting about the Blues....this years playoff run to the Cup had me amped up more than usual so thanks to you guys for not taking any of my rantings during this too personal.
This, without a doubt. As I said above, talking sports seems to bring out the worst in all of us, and this thread the last few weeks has been evidence of that, but that is neither here nor there at this point.
In the end, the payoff was well worth it. :biggrin:
I was fine with O-Reilly getting the Conn Smythe, although I might have given it to Binnington, who was probably dinged a bit by Game 3 and the 3rd period of Game 6 in the finals, but he was so money in Game 7. After decades of Blues playoff losses where we wished we had a better goalie - damn Roman Turek and Ryan Miller, in particular - to have our rookie goalie come up big like that in Game 7 was such a thrill.
Let the celebration continue!! :metal :metal
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I wouldn't say that sports playoffs brings out the wors, just that our passions can sometimes cloud our perspectives - and our ability to se others' perspectives. It's all good.
Congrats to you and Gary... Both jingle.kids asked me yesterday, "Did Gary send you pics of the parade yet?"
So lets see those damn pics!
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I’ve been out of pocket all weekend, plus....with 500k+ in downtown St. Louis cell phones essentially stopped working. Could send or receive.
When I get home later I’ll post some pics. We posted up at the rally grounds under The arch all day as the parade route was 20 people deep by 8:00 am.
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Can't say I agree with either move in full, but Flyers offseason is off to a running start. Traded for the rights to Kevin Hayes (for an unconditional pick, which I hate), and then swapped Gudas for Niskanen with Washington. While that move may have made sense a season or two ago, it saves Washington a ton of contract money and an extra year when the two players could go into next season performing equally. Gudas has really solidified his game and Niskanen had a down year. IF Niskanen bounces back big time then it'll be a big win for the Flyers.
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So, this was the view from our room
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which was pretty cool. We had 'club' access on our floor which gave us drinks and apps all day....so we took full advantage of that when we could
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Out for a walk the night before...
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The Mississippi River is WAY above flood stage.... you can see the light posts way in the background by the river boat. Thats where the river road is. This isn't the highest it's gotten but it's pretty high.
(https://i.imgur.com/PRB8bPR.jpg)
So, when I woke up yesterday morning....the parade route was already filling up quick. Around 8:00 after we ate breakfast it was already 20 people deep for most of the route. So, we decided to just post up at the rally grounds under the arch. There were screens there that were going to show the parade so we went for it. A pretty big thunderstorm hammered downtown (while we ate breakfast) but some light rain and showers stuck around through the morning until around 11:00
We initially got down as close as we could to the stage and hung out there for an hour or so.
(https://i.imgur.com/5jFwiOP.jpg)
Boys were having SO much fun :lol
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But, as it began to fill up I realized our youngest was not going to be able to see squat....so we decided to actually move back a bit to where there was a hillside at the arch grounds and we could see the stage and (2) screens.
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My youngest brother eventually made his way to the grounds and he found us...
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Individual shots of me and the family....
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Cup on the Stage!!!
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A couple shots from the day I saw online. Estimates are ranging from 500-700k at the rally and parade. All i know is that is was awesome to be a part of.
(from the stage)
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Do yourselves a favor and watch Brett Hull at the rally. He literally just appeared on stage....out of nowhere during a song....started making dry hump gestures and then grabbed the mic. It was AWESOME!!! So many memes and crap online about how much partying he's been doing....this just puts the icing on the cake...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOrnu0AkdLU&list=PLZG3N37SQuyZyxGBhG4ogDSY2_3lHbvjx&index=3
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Awesome pics! Congrats to you, Kev and all the Blues fans here. I was thinking of you guys when I checked the score the following morning, I couldn't make it through the whole game because I was so tired from having just flown back from France that day. And credit to the Bruins fans here for being so classy :tup
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Thanks!
And great pics, Gary!! :tup :tup
The whole team has been awesome, interacting with the fans the way they have, and yeah Brett Hull is loving life right now. :lol :lol
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Awesome pics!
Indeed. Thanks for sharing. Like I said, the next few months are going to be fun, so relish them as much as possible.
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I told Gary to buy 2 hats for himself. One to wear and one to keep at home. Expensive but worth it.
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Joe....you should probably just keep that Avatar well past Wednesday :lol It looks so good on you :tup
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Blues avatars for everyone!! :metal :metal
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Blues avatars for everyone!! :metal :metal
Sure. I’ll play. :biggrin:
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Thursday it is gone! I'm a Patriots blue kind of guy. Lol
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I thought that said, "Patriots blue kind of gay."
:P :P
Not that there's anything wrong that... :lol :lol
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My wife just walked in on me watching some more footage of the championship parade.....she says'..."Aren't you a bit sick of watching all of this yet?"
Ummm....What? ??? Absolutely freaking not. I will not rest until I've seen every bit of footage/pics/GIFS/memes etc etc multiple times....This will NEVER get old :lol
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My wife just walked in on me watching some more footage of the championship parade.....she says'..."Aren't you a bit sick of watching all of this yet?"
Ummm....What? ??? Absolutely freaking not. I will not rest until I've seen every bit of footage/pics/GIFS/memes etc etc multiple times....This will NEVER get old :lol
You and me both. I have already lost count at how many times I have watched each Blues goal from Game 7 and then the final seconds ticking away. Like you said, it will never get old. Ever.
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I thought that said, "Patriots blue kind of gay."
:P :P
Not that there's anything wrong that... :lol :lol
I'll kiss you like Tom Brady and his son.
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Blues avatars for everyone!! :metal :metal
Sure. I’ll play. :biggrin:
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Blues avatars for everyone!! :metal :metal
Sure. I’ll play. :biggrin:
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If only I could have gotten the gif to play through... :lol
“Gretzky had it, lost it... Yzerman, blue line chance...”
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I'll kiss you like Tom Brady and his son.
Full tongue and all, eh? :P
“Gretzky had it, lost it... Yzerman, blue line chance...”
That play stings a lot less now. :biggrin:
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“Gretzky had it, lost it... Yzerman, blue line chance...”
That play stings a lot less now. :biggrin:
As it should. Just bustin’ balls. Sincerely happy for the Blues’ first Cup. :)
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“Gretzky had it, lost it... Yzerman, blue line chance...”
That play stings a lot less now. :biggrin:
As it should. Just bustin’ balls. Sincerely happy for the Blues’ first Cup. :)
:tup :tup
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Um..not to change the subject... :neverusethis: :lol
Erik Karlsson 8 @ 92???
Are you fucking kidding me??
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Seems like an awful lot of years for a guy who is 29.
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Seems like an awful lot of years for a guy who is 29.
..AND $$'S
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That, too. :lol :lol
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How do you build a team like that? That's literally 14% of their cap.
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Seems like an awful lot of years for a guy who is 29.
..AND $$'S
And recurring injuries.
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These kind of salaries put us real fans out of seeing multiple games. You'll have to hope a friend gets tickets from his corporate account.
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These kind of salaries put us real fans out of seeing multiple games. You'll have to hope a friend gets tickets from his corporate account.
Sad but true. The only guy I know who managed to go to a game in the last two rounds only went because he knew someone who got them free tickets. Lucky for him, it was Game 4, the one home game the Blues managed to win in the Finals.
As much as I would have loved to have gone to a Stanley Cup Finals game, shelling out 2-3 grand for a single game just ain't happening.
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I went to a Finals game!
In 1988! ;D
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Seeing Karlsson's awful contract makes me feel a little less bad about the one Hayes signed in Philly last night, 7 years at 7.14m a year.
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The money is getting stupid, considering the rumours are the cap is gonna sit around $82M. Balance has tipped too far to the players. There aren't going to be many middle-of-the-road contract values anymore (ie, $3M-6M). With the number of RFA's that want $9M+ (Marner is now talking $11M+ claiming Matthews is his comparable), the GMs need to get the expectations of these kids in check. How can any team have 2 of the top 3 paid people in the entire league, for players that have never made it out of the 1st round (which would be the case if Dubas caves and signs Marner for over $11M)? How can a guy like Laine - who had 1 good month last year - expect 50% more than Wheeler or Shieffle? Point wants Kucherov money? How about you have a Hart-calibre year first, pal?
Ugh... I really think these 21-year-olds are the epitome of what we think about entitled Millennials. To be so selfish to leave their team in the position where upwards of 1/2 have to be on entry level deals is going to cost the ENTIRE team's ability to win. 95+ points is pretty fuckin useless if you don't have an NHL calibre blue-line, or depth. I think Boston and St. Louis pretty much proved that this year.
Someone said it earlier in the year, it's like Chicago for the past 5 years. Sign Toews/Kane/Keith/Seabrook for all that money, and have peanuts left over to build a team around.
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These kind of salaries put us real fans out of seeing multiple games. You'll have to hope a friend gets tickets from his corporate account.
Sad but true. The only guy I know who managed to go to a game in the last two rounds only went because he knew someone who got them free tickets. Lucky for him, it was Game 4, the one home game the Blues managed to win in the Finals.
As much as I would have loved to have gone to a Stanley Cup Finals game, shelling out 2-3 grand for a single game just ain't happening.
I think I spent about $2,500 going to the three Kings home games in 2012 ($600-something for game 3, $1,000-something for game 4, and $800-something for game 6).
But those prices have virtually nothing to do with how much the players are making. The three tickets I bought had a combined face value under $500 (under $150 for the same seats during the regular season). Everything else was secondary market mark-up.
That said, the escalating salaries -- combined with teams that can't even fill their buildings to 50% capacity (four of whom couldn't even SELL 80% of their home tickets last season) -- make me fear that we'll be seeing yet another lockout in the NHL's relatively near future. But yeah...let's keep adding new teams.
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Meanwhile, today is the 1-week anniversary of the Blues curb stomping the Bruins on their home ice and winning the Cup. :coolio :hat
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The GMs are going to keep giving the young stars boat loads of money so long as the cap keeps increasing. Marner is going to get 10 or 11M. If Kevin Hayes is getting $7M for his 55pts, then Marner is going to make bank. If the Leafs won't pay that much, any number of other teams will. It sure sucks, but that's the reality. The Oilers are staring down a situation where they'll likely need to cough up $8M for Nugent-Hopkins. Is he worth it? Nope. Will they pay it? Yep.
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Yeah, well... there's a possibility this behaviour is also gonna create resentment amongst the Players / Association. For example, if / when the Leafs can't afford to pay Kapanen and/or Johnson because Marner wants to be the 3rd $11M-man on the team, how do you think they're gonna feel about taking a deal below their value? If/when one of those guys gets traded to a shit team that has tons of cap space, how do you think they're gonna feel. Top talent is over-valuing themselves; middle talent is gonna pay that price. It's already started in principal - Dubas can't have ANY conversations with anyone (potential UFAs or his own RFAs) until Marner's contract is concluded.
One would think players are willing to balance their own self interests (ie, salary) against the interests of the team (ie, Cup potential). Marner demanding he be paid as a top-5 player in the league is not that balance. It's completely selfish. If these rumours are indeed his contract demands, and they end up putting the team back in the standings and/or ability to progress to at least the 2nd round, he's gonna go from fan-favorite, to (non-acronym) goat.
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The Oilers are staring down a situation where they'll likely need to cough up $8M for Nugent-Hopkins. Is he worth it? Nope. Will they pay it? Yep.
Fuck him. Let him sit. He's not an $8 mil a year player.
The Leafs caved on Nylander.
Yeah, well... there's a possibility this behaviour is also gonna create resentment amongst the Players / Association. For example, if / when the Leafs can't afford to pay Kapanen and/or Johnson because Marner wants to be the 3rd $11M-man on the team, how do you think they're gonna feel about taking a deal below their value? If/when one of those guys gets traded to a shit team that has tons of cap space, how do you think they're gonna feel. Top talent is over-valuing themselves; middle talent is gonna pay that price. It's already started in principal - Dubas can't have ANY conversations with anyone (potential UFAs or his own RFAs) until Marner's contract is concluded.
One would think players are willing to balance their own self interests (ie, salary) against the interests of the team (ie, Cup potential). Marner demanding he be paid as a top-5 player in the league is not that balance. It's completely selfish. If these rumours are indeed his contract demands, and they end up putting the team back in the standings and/or ability to progress to at least the 2nd round, he's gonna go from fan-favorite, to (non-acronym) goat.
In general theory, I like the idea of paying a guy as he is actually producing.
But the Hayes and Karlsson contracts are just fucking stupid.
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The Leafs caved on Nylander.
Where did I hear that before ... :justjen
I think it's a great deal for Willie, bad deal for the team (Dubas caved... if this was the contract he was willing to offer, he should've just done it a month ago), and absolutely catastrophic for about 10 other GMs. There are easily ten other 2-year players that are ahead of Nylander in ability and value - Laine, Tkachuk, Rantanen, Aho, Boesser, Point, McAvoy, Werenski off the top of my head.
I'm thrilled to get him back, but it has all the possibilities of being a Lucic-ugly deal in the long term. I don't see him being a Leaf thru the entire 6 years to tell you the truth. I could go on and on over this, but not sure everyone wants to hear my ramblings over a 20-goal guy that isn't likely even to be on PP1 this year.
$11M for Marner will be just as bad a deal, IMO. In the long term, the only thing that could justify it would be a cup or two. But I don't see how that can happen with almost 1/2 of the team salary tied up in 4 guys.
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NHL awards tonight.
I think O'Reilly has a good shot to win one or both of the awards he is up for, but I will be surprised if Armstrong, Binnington or Berube win.
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The Leafs caved on Nylander.
Where did I hear that before ... :justjen
You said that right? Or did I? I know I did. It wasn't a shot at you/the Leafs. I'm just conversing about these contracts.
Question Chad..Is Marner better than Matthews? How do you see it?
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Oh Chad did. He was not happy about it.
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NHL awards tonight.
I think O'Reilly has a good shot to win one or both of the awards he is up for, but I will be surprised if Armstrong, Binnington or Berube win.
I said as soon as the nominees came out that O'Reilly was taking the Selke. What else is he up for?
Armstrong won't win, but Berube definitely could. I'd give it to Trotz though. The islanders improved so much while the Caps took a huge step back.
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O'Reilly is also up for the Lady Byng.
I get that Trotz did an amazing job with the Islanders, but when you look at what Berube did with the Blues, taking them from worst in the league to nearly 100 points in just three months (ignoring the playoffs since it is a regular season award), he has just as strong an argument. Of course, I am not exactly impartial here. :lol :lol
Binnington has no shot because that defensemen from the Canucks is a lock.
But like I said to a friend last night, even if we get no awards tonight, we still got the Cup.
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O'Reilly is also up for the Lady Byng.
I get that Trotz did an amazing job with the Islanders, but when you look at what Berube did with the Blues, taking them from worst in the league to nearly 100 points in just three months (ignoring the playoffs since it is a regular season award), he has just as strong an argument. Of course, I am not exactly impartial here. :lol :lol
Binnington has no shot because that defensemen from the Canucks is a lock.
But like I said to a friend last night, even if we get no awards tonight, we still got the Cup.
The Cup trumps all. For sure. O'Reilly is a lock for the Selke. I don't know who he's up against for the Lady Byng.
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Trotz is winning the Jack Adams. Make bank on that.
O'Reilly should win the Selke.
Pettersson is winning the Calder (even though he's not a defensemen :lol). Make more bank on that. Could've been Binnington, but no way a guy only playing 1/2 the season will win the award. He'd have had to go 30-0 to do that.
Kuch gets the Hart.
Giordano (should) gets the Norris (but they'll probably give it to Burns)
Vasilevsky gets the Vezina
Monohan gets the Lady Byng (though I'd like to see O'Reilly get it).
@ Tim... Marner vs Matthews is apples and oranges. They bring different talent. Gun to my head... I take a full 82-game season with Matthews - that's the challenge... he's missed 20ish games each of the last two years. Marner has always had Top talent to feed (JVR 2 years ago; Tavares last year). Matthews played with Kapanen and Johnson this year, and played a part to make them both 20-goal scorers. Matthews is more important as a centreman - offensively and defensively, and he's turning into a pretty good faceoff guy. Also... I was being saracstic, because 'Dubas caved' was the FIRST thing I said after the contract was signed.
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I got myself confused there. :lol :lol
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Petterson wins the Calder.
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I got myself confused there. :lol :lol
It's all good. I couldn't resist though. :-*
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Haha, yep. I couldn't even think of his name, hence me referring to him as "the Canuck." :lol
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I thought Sweeney would win the GM Award.
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I thought Sweeney would win the GM Award.
I did enjoy the pained look on his face when he congratulated Armstrong and the Blues. :biggrin:
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You're fucking ridiculous, bro.
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:lol ;)
What is ridiculous is how attractive (see: hot) nearly every player's wife or girlfriend is tonight. :hat
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There's NOTHING on TV like the NHL awards when it comes to that. NOTHING.
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Tim. I feel like you watch 5 stations only. :lol
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Selke to O'Reilly. As expected. No issue there.
Tim. I feel like you watch 5 stations only. :lol
NESN
NBCSN Boston
NHL Network
MLB Network
NBCSN if hockey is on.
ESPN if baseball is on.
That's 6 motherfucker! :P
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Berube got the shaft. Unfortunate the playoffs don’t count towards these awards.
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Berube got the shaft. Unfortunate the playoffs don’t count towards these awards.
Looks like he finished a distant 3rd.
Jeremy Rutherford
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Trotz wins the Jack Adams: he had 58 first-place votes (430 voting points), ahead of Tampa Bay’s Jon Cooper (350) and the Blues’ Craig Berube (116 points). #stlblues
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Berube got the shaft.
:facepalm:
Dude, YOU GOT THE CUP!!!!! WTF??
They're all worthy.
If I had one vote it would go to Trotz.
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Berube got the shaft. Unfortunate the playoffs don’t count towards these awards.
Looks like he finished a distant 3rd.
Jeremy Rutherford
@jprutherford
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Trotz wins the Jack Adams: he had 58 first-place votes (430 voting points), ahead of Tampa Bay’s Jon Cooper (350) and the Blues’ Craig Berube (116 points). #stlblues
Probably did the Blues a favor. Stanley Cup and coach of the Year is a good bargaining chip in contract talks. :lol
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Berube got the shaft.
:facepalm:
Dude, YOU GOT THE CUP!!!!! WTF??
They're all worthy.
If I had one vote it would go to Trotz.
Hey now.....this is the last chance to bitch about something this season :lol
I don’t mind it going to Trotz....he’s a great coach. Never been a fan of Cooper so glad he didn’t win.
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Probably did the Blues a favor. Stanley Cup and coach of the Year is a good bargaining chip in contract talks. :lol
Haha, exactly. I am still stunned they didn't remove the interim tag before now.
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The amazing thing about Trotz, and to me, this is what seals it for him, isn't so much about how the Islanders improved, but about how much the Caps regressed. :lol
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I remember being shocked with he didn't stay with them last year. Coaching really matters in sports, and I think hockey is possibly where it matters the most, although football is right there with it. If you have a great coach, you stick with him as long as the team is doing well...and they had just won the Cup!! :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Selke to O'Reilly. As expected. No issue there.
Tim. I feel like you watch 5 stations only. :lol
NESN
NBCSN Boston
NHL Network
MLB Network
NBCSN if hockey is on.
ESPN if baseball is on.
That's 6 motherfucker! :P
Man. I was soooooo off! :lol
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Rules changes proposed and accepted pending acceptance by the GMs: https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expected-to-detail-rule-changes-from-competition-committee/c-307915432
The Competition Committee recommended changes to the coach's challenge and expanded video review, including as it relates to a referee's ability to review some of his own calls on the ice.
In addition:
-- A player be reasonably required to leave the ice if his helmet comes off during play.
-- The defending team not be allowed to change lines when a goalie freezes the puck on a shot from outside the red line. The attacking team would have the choice of end-zone dot for the face-off.
-- The attacking team have the choice of end-zone dot on a face-off after an icing and starting a power play.
-- The defending team not be allowed to change lines and the attacking team have the choice of end-zone dot for the face-off, if an official determines a skater on the defending team knocks off the net unintentionally.
-- All face-offs be at one of the two dots in the attacking zone when the attacking team is responsible for the puck going out of play in the attacking zone.
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Depends on the definition of "reasonably required".
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I'm not sure how I feel about all the faceoff changes. Unintentional net dislodging prevents a line change? I get icing preventing a line change; it's a pointed act that delays the game, ergo comes at a price. but what if you're checked into the net and it comes off? Suddenly no change just because you fell into it?
I'm less annoyed by the no change after a frozen puck from across the red, but even that seems too much. They got the shot on net, shouldn't that count for something? What if the puck passes the end line and bounces back to the goalie, but there's a chance the attacking player could beat the defenseman to the puck so the goalie freezes it. Is that grounds for no line change? That seems a bit too nebulous and far-reaching to me.
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I'm not sure how I feel about all the faceoff changes. Unintentional net dislodging prevents a line change? I get icing preventing a line change; it's a pointed act that delays the game, ergo comes at a price. but what if you're checked into the net and it comes off? Suddenly no change just because you fell into it?
I'm less annoyed by the no change after a frozen puck from across the red, but even that seems too much. They got the shot on net, shouldn't that count for something? What if the puck passes the end line and bounces back to the goalie, but there's a chance the attacking player could beat the defenseman to the puck so the goalie freezes it. Is that grounds for no line change? That seems a bit too nebulous and far-reaching to me.
Yeah, when I read that I assumed it was a typo and should read "intentionally". Then again, the NHL these days has trouble making sense of itself, so this wouldn't surprise me if it's correct.
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-- A player be reasonably required to leave the ice if his helmet comes off during play.
Meh...whatever.
-- The defending team not be allowed to change lines when a goalie freezes the puck on a shot from outside the red line. The attacking team would have the choice of end-zone dot for the face-off.
So...basically, this negating the part of the icing rule whereby it's not icing if there's a shot on goal or the puck goes through the crease (and if the goalie freezes the puck). Seems like this won't come up very often, and I can't figure out why it's needed or what effect it might ultimately have. If it's one of those things designed to increase scoring, I think it will have an incredibly minimal or non-existent impact.
-- The attacking team have the choice of end-zone dot on a face-off after an icing and starting a power play.
Icing AND starting a power play? How often is this going to come up?
-- The defending team not be allowed to change lines and the attacking team have the choice of end-zone dot for the face-off, if an official determines a skater on the defending team knocks off the net unintentionally.
Ok, but what if the defending player intentionally knocks it off? That's already a delay of game penalty, right? Regardless, I don't really like the idea of "penalizing" a team for something that happens unintentionally.
-- All face-offs be at one of the two dots in the attacking zone when the attacking team is responsible for the puck going out of play in the attacking zone.
Meh...whatever.
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Well, there's a easily a dozen icings in a game so that rule will come up quite often. It's actually a pretty big advantage, too, when you have a face-off guy really good from one side. Even with today's rules you see coaches send a specific guy out just for an offensive or defensive zone draw if it's on their strong side.
The helmet rule is basically just adopting the international rule.
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The helmet rule is understandable to a degree. The rest are just dumb and seem to be brought up just for the sake of being brought up. What’s wrong with the game how it is at this point? How much more needs to change?
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The league won't be happy until there are 22 goals per game and offensive records are shattered. They are still in reactionary mode from the days of the neutral zone trap and left wing lock.
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I still want them to adopt the international rule for crease violations. That should have been low hanging fruit this off season.
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Well, there's a easily a dozen icings in a game so that rule will come up quite often. It's actually a pretty big advantage, too, when you have a face-off guy really good from one side. Even with today's rules you see coaches send a specific guy out just for an offensive or defensive zone draw if it's on their strong side.
Which rule. The one about the goalie freezing the puck on a shot from the other side of the red line (which wouldn't be icing) or the rule about what happens when the defending team ices the puck AND the attacking team is starting a power play? Yeah, there are tons of icings every game, and I get that choosing the side for the faceoff can be a big advantage, but these rules seem to apply only to very uncommon situations.
The helmet rule is fine, but everything else seems just to be tinkering for the sake of tinkering.
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The new rule change says the attacking team picks the face-off side for all icings and the start of a power play. I interpreted those as mutually exclusive events. I suppose if it ends up being only on icings that occur on the same play a penalty is called, then it'll be very rare. My vote is that it's all icings and all power plays.
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The new rule change says the attacking team picks the face-off side for all icings and the start of a power play. I interpreted those as mutually exclusive events. I suppose if it ends up being only on icings that occur on the same play a penalty is called, then it'll be very rare. My vote is that it's all icings and all power plays.
Your interpretation makes more sense. I interpreted it to mean there had to be an icing AND a power play starting at the same time. If the intent is that the attacking team gets to pick the dot (1) after icing is called; OR (2) at the start of a power play, that makes sense.
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I don't have much issue with any of the rules. They all serve as a deterrent to stop play. The 'unintentional' part of dislodging the net ... oh well. All 'puck-over-glass' penalties are unintentional, but that doesn't mean they don't go without consequence. And the key point in that rule isn't the 'unintentional" part, it's the "if an official determines'. Sounds like they're giving officials the ability to make a determination, not simply that it's an absolute (ie, defender dislodges the net therefore no line change).
Gonna be a fun next 10 days with all these RFAs. Does anyone think there will be any offer sheet extensions. Lots of rumours around the Marner side of things in that regard, but I don't know if anyone else is potentially the target of an offer sheet.
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I don't expect any offer sheets. There's lots of talk around Marner, but I think that's just the TO media hyping it. I think it's more likely he ends up holding out like Nylander if the parties are indeed $2M apart in expectations.
I read a piece on sportsnet today that there's only been 1 offer sheet not matched in the last 20 years. I remember that day very well, because the media here in Edmonton (not to mention a lot of upset fans) were in a frenzy trying to figure out what the hell Kevin Lowe was thinking giving up 3 -1st rounders. The Leafs would make off like bandits with 4 1st rounders for Marner in an offer sheet situation, but that doesn't help them win during the 5 year Auston Matthews window.
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I was just reading an article on Marner. I see he hit his career high in goals this year.
45?....nope.
40?....nope
35?....nope
30?....nope
He scored 26 goals! Twenty Six! And he played all 82 games.
ONE goal every three games and that costs $11m?
And I like him, but I was shocked at how few goals he actually scored this year.
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I don't have much issue with any of the rules. They all serve as a deterrent to stop play. The 'unintentional' part of dislodging the net ... oh well. All 'puck-over-glass' penalties are unintentional, but that doesn't mean they don't go without consequence. And the key point in that rule isn't the 'unintentional" part, it's the "if an official determines'. Sounds like they're giving officials the ability to make a determination, not simply that it's an absolute (ie, defender dislodges the net therefore no line change).
My comment was that I don't really like the idea of "penalizing" a team for something that happens unintentionally. That includes the puck-over-the-glass delay of game penalty. Don't like that either.
Since a player dislodging the net always does it either intentionally or unintentionally, the officials have always had to make a determination regarding intent. Granted, the consequence of unintentionally dislodging the net is relatively minor, but I still don't see the point of this rule.
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The (negotiating) position by Marner right now isn't around goals scored, it's around value to the team - and he's pegging Matthews as his "comparable". Well, he's over-valuing himself in a big-big way, and he isn't the only one (Laine is supposedly asking for $10M+). I hope these GMs knock them down a peg. Lots and lots of rumours are flying around, but if Marner doesn't get any offer sheets, then his only leverage is holding out. Dubas isn't even asking for a 'hometown' discount, and I do think he is willing to over-pay him. He's just not (rightly so) willing to make him the 3rd $11M-man on the team. Those economics don't work to build a team around.
At the $$ that Marner wants, I do think the Leafs may let him go for the four 1st rounders they'd get in return. That, or (like O'Reilly) match and trade. The problem with taking the 4 first rounders is that 2 are next years; 2 can be in 2021. So, the team will have burned most of Matthews contract without the value of those assets. So, match and trade makes more sense to build a team around Matthews (and Tavares) for immediate benefit, not benefit in 2022/23.
Marner would be crazy to leave. The Leafs can put SOOOO much of his contract up front (wasn't Nylander's like $18M signing bonus, and he's getting $8.3M payment on July 1 - that's almost 1/2 his contract paid out in the first 8 months!). Plus, the endorsement deals that he would get as a Leaf blow away what Florida or the Islanders could possibly offer. Plus friends and family are all here.
I'm hopeful that a lot of the rumours are just media BS, and that he ultimately signs for the low 10s. I think that's a landing point Dubas would be comfortable with.
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This page felt like it was missing something......
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I so want to go and dig up your rage post from a couple years ago of you flipping off the entire fucking roster.
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:lol
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I so want to go and dig up your rage post from a couple years ago of you flipping off the entire fucking roster.
I think those were from embedded pics on my old photbucket account....don't know if they'd still show up. I fully stand behind that sentiment at the time though :biggrin:
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Yeah... I dug it up, and all those pics are toasted. The thread is locked, so I can't even properly 'quote' it. But, here ya go.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=41864.msg1952641#msg1952641
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Brings back memories. :lol
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No surprise that Hughes goes 1st overall. He's a lock to be a superstar. Kane-quality potential for sure.
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No surprise that Hughes goes 1st overall. He's a lock to be a superstar. Kane-quality potential for sure.
Oh shit. Forgot this was on..
Kane? I feel like he'll be closer to Gudreau. (sp?)
I'd be happy with Kakko though.
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No surprise that Hughes goes 1st overall. He's a lock to be a superstar. Kane-quality potential for sure.
Oh shit. Forgot this was on..
Kane? I feel like he'll be closer to Gudreau. (sp?)
Jackie-Hockey :lol ?? Style-wise, you're probably right. I just meant the likelihood that he'll be a Top5 or Top 3 player in the league for a big part of his prime years.
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Top 3?? That's a tall order, as is Top 5. You think he's that good?
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Love the reaction of the kid Detroit picked.
I think that kid could be a stud.
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Top 3?? That's a tall order, as is Top 5. You think he's that good?
Sure... in 5-ish years (when he's 23/24) who are gonna be the top players? McDavid is a given. Who's next? Mathews, MacKinnon, Barkov, Petterson, Pastranak, Point, Johnny G, Eichel, Keller, Aho, Marner?? The league has always seen players peak years are 25-29. Some of these have a ways to go to show they are / could be Top5. Hughes dominated the USNP like no one else, including Matthews and Kane.
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Yeah, maybe you're right. I just feel like he's too small.
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Yeah, maybe you're right. I just feel like he's too small.
Marner and Gaudreau don't seem to have a problem with that.
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Yeah, I know.
I guess I get that from the Bruins refusing to pick anyone over 6'. :lol
(other than Brandon Carlo)
Oh, and Pierre Maguire...STFU!
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Why is Quennville up there with the Panthers? Did I miss something?
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Oh, and Pierre Maguire...STFU!
I sometimes wonder what some iconic, classic hockey calls would have been like had McGuire been a part of them in those years.
Gary Thorne: “Gretzky had it, lost it... Yzerman pucks it up... Yzerman moving, blue line chance SCOOORE! DETROIT WINS!”
Pierre McGuire: “Yes they do, Gary! They win indeed! And it’s all because Stevie Y from Cranbrook, British Columbia goes top shelf over Jon Casey’s shoulder and hits the post with an absolute laser of a slap shot! What a release with Yzerman’s magical play, and the crowd loves it! Yzerman’s magical play...”
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Why is Quennville up there with the Panthers? Did I miss something?
I believe that's his next coaching gig after Blackhawks gave him the boot which I found it be a bit baffling given that the Blackhawks was .500 after 15 games when they announced it. I would have loved it if the Kings was .500 after 15 games last season. John Stevens got booted at the same time as well and Kings' record was way worst.
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Would've liked Raphael Lavoie, but Beecher is a 6'3" Center. I'll take it. Thank God they drafted someone over 6'.
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This page felt like it was missing something......
That picture cannot be posted enough. :tup :tup
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Um, yes it can. Lol
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Why is Quennville up there with the Panthers? Did I miss something?
Apparently you were so nervous about playing the Leafs in Rd 1, you missed the news.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/panthers-hire-joel-quenneville-next-head-coach/
You heard it hear first, Florida teams finish 1-2 in the Atlantic next year.
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Bold prediction.
I am interested to see how those paper champions, otherwise known as the Tampa Bay Lightning, bounce back after the epic gag job they did in the 1st round this year. I am sure they will have a great regular season again - they have too much talent not to - but will they man up in the postseason the next time around?
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That seems more like a question than a prediction.
Are you still working on your bold prediction?
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The "bold prediction" was in response to Chad's post above mine.
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My bold prediction is the Blues win another cup within O’Reily’s current contract he has (4) more years with us. We have a few of the core players locked in for that time. I think they can get another one. It’s time to get greedy.
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Subban trades to New Jersey.....details of trade still unknown but it’s done.
Wow! So glad won’t have to see him play that much anymore. Not because he’s good but because of ‘how’ he plays.
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Subban trades to New Jersey.....details of trade still unknown but it’s done.
Wow! So glad won’t have to see him play that much anymore. Not because he’s good but because of ‘how’ he plays.
I had read a rumor that some of his teammates were getting tired of his act, similar to what happened with him in Montreal, so I am not surprised by this.
My bold prediction is the Blues win another cup within O’Reily’s current contract bye has (4) more years with us. We have a few of the core players locked in for that time. I think they can get another one. It’s time to get greedy.
I like it. :tup :tup
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Subban is still elite, so im sure Jersey will tolerate his antics. They'll certainly be an improved team next season just from the moves the last 24 hours. And if the TSN report is correct, NJ gave up peanuts to get subban.
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Subban trades to New Jersey.....details of trade still unknown but it’s done.
Wow! So glad won’t have to see him play that much anymore. Not because he’s good but because of ‘how’ he plays.
Kind of like how you post in hockey threads. ;D
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Subban trades to New Jersey.....details of trade still unknown but it’s done.
Wow! So glad won’t have to see him play that much anymore. Not because he’s good but because of ‘how’ he plays.
Kind of like how you post in hockey threads. ;D
Only difference is I’m usually right.
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Sounds like Kaspanen is getting 3 years @3.2ish. Seems like a reasonable signing for the Leafs. Thoughts Jingle?
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Subban is still elite, so im sure Jersey will tolerate his antics. They'll certainly be an improved team next season just from the moves the last 24 hours. And if the TSN report is correct, NJ gave up peanuts to get subban.
What they did is take his full cap hit. It's a good move, because they'll unload that money right in the year they need to sign Hughes out of his entry contract.
Carolina did the same for Toronto. Marleau AND a cond'l 1st rounder for a 6th round pick. The ultimate value to Toronto is taking the 6.25M cap hit.
This won't be the last of what I'm calling "Cap trades"
That's a win for the Leafs to get Kapanen at that price. Rumour is Johnsson is signing in the same range.
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Gotta say I'm pretty damn happy with how the last 24 hours has gone. Jack Hughes + PK Subban is a major talent injection. And the Devils still have more than 20mm in cap space to play around with in free agency and/or the trade market.
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Gotta say I'm pretty damn happy with how the last 24 hours has gone. Jack Hughes + PK Subban is a major talent injection. And the Devils still have more than 20mm in cap space to play around with in free agency and/or the trade market.
You should be happy. Devils gonna be good this year. They WILL make the playoffs.
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The "bold prediction" was in response to Chad's post above mine.
:lol
Got it!
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William Karlsson re-signs with Vegas...8@ just under $48m. Seems team friendly.
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I find it funny that Leafs fans have turned on Marner. Now obviously, I don't know that much about the situation, only that he produced 94 points, kinda disappeared in the playoffs, has played two full seasons back to back and will probably be able to replicate those numbers again. What I gather is he wants what Matthews and Tavares are getting paid, but the Leafs don't have the cap space to do it.
Did they really need to go out and get Tavares last year? That seems to be what is messing them up.
It's just funny to me, from an outside perspective, he deserves to be paid what he's asking for or at least pretty close to it. Why does that make him greedy? Sure, his agent and dad are being dicks, but that shouldn't make Mitch one. There's plenty of other teams that would take 94 points...
Fill me in though on why Marner is wrong in this situation.
Also, the Nylander signing was a dumb move.
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As a winger, he's asking for 11% of cap space. That's far above the going rate. He (or his agent) is over-valuing himself - vis-a-vis not only the market, but the team. Matthews and Tavares, as goal-scoring centremen, are more valuable commodities than a play-making winger. Fans are turning a little sour, because his asks are jeopardizing the teams chances of putting together an improved product on the ice. Asking for money that would mean the team holds almost 50% of their cap in 4 players, have 3 of the top 5 salaries in the league, and have never made it out of the 1st round.
Based on his stats, the market would value him at a high-9M, low 10M AAV. He wants to call Matthews as his comparable, but it's apples and oranges. I honestly believe if Dubas caves and gives him $11M plus, the team will take a step back, and end up a wildcard playoff spot at best. Look at the Atlantic. Tampa and Boston aren't going to be getting any worse, and Florida is going to improve bigly. I don't see that Tavares' contract is screwing things up, Nylander's (he should've been mid-6M) and Marner's asks are doing it. That's about $1.5M in cap space over-allocated to the two of them. Pretty valuable when the team needs a reliable backup goalie, and only have 4 of their D under contract at the moment (one of whom wants out).
I said it before, but the market is shifting (because of all these super-talented 21-year old RFAs) to paying younger talent the kind of money that had been reserved for the 28 or 30-year old A-list. The young players expect to be paid for future/potential performance, while the older ones expect to be paid on past AND potential performance. They can't have it both ways. The Leafs got caught right in the middle of it - paying $11M for JT, and now staring down the barrel of that for two 21-year olds. These kids are performing very well, very fast, and want to be compensated for being cheap / entry-level labour for 3 years, and over-delivering. Well, go thank your union for that. That's the way things got structured, so suck it the fuck up. Now, without arbitration rights, they're only card is 'pay me what I want, or I'll hold out'. It's gonna take one GM with brass balls to sit someone for a year, or this is gonna continue to escalate.
Was Marner's performance better than the $2.5M he was paid - sure it was. But that's the deal for entry level. And later in your career, you'll be over-paid for your performance. Is PK Subban a $9M player? Will Erik Karlsson be an $11M player when he's 35? Hell no to both. As I said, the tide is shifting, and the players want it both ways. The economics simply don't work for both ends.
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A fairly underwhelming HOF class.
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A fairly underwhelming HOF class.
I thought the same thing.
Hayley Wickenheiser is a no-brainer.
Serei Zubov? Meh....
Guy Carbonneau? He was about halfway through his career when I started following hockey, so I missed his best years. However, he's been retired for nearly two decades. If he didn't get in before now, what changed?
Jim Rutherford? I know who he is, but can't say I know much about him.
Never heard of the other two guys.
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Jerry York is the longtime coach at Boston College, I think he's the winningest coach in college hockey history. I think he has 4 or 5 championships and countless Frozen Four appearances. I think he's coached well over 40 years. He's a legit candidate.
I though Guy Carbonneau was excellent, but like you said. What gives now?
But this is the year of "no one else to pick from"..
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I am glad Roenick did not make it again. #Bluesfan :coolio :hat
I think he will eventually, but I will continue to enjoy him missing out...
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Roenick was awesome when he played for Chicago, but I don't see him as a HOFer.
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No Cups, no awards. Seems like in hockey you almost have to have ridiculous stats if your name was never on the Cup and you never won any awards.
Case in point: Curtis Joseph. He was a great goalie, but he never won a Cup and never won a Vezina (thanks to playing in the same era as the three best goalies ever, plus Belfour), so he will likely never make it.
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I feel like if I had to choose between CuJo and JR, I'd go with CuJo.
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I feel like if I had to choose between CuJo and JR, I'd go with CuJo.
That's a no brainer. #5 all time in wins, he should be there. @Kev... who are you including as the 3rd best ever? Hasek?
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I feel like if I had to choose between CuJo and JR, I'd go with CuJo.
That's a no brainer. #5 all time in wins, he should be there. @Kev... who are you including as the 3rd best ever? Hasek?
Roman Turek. ;) ;D
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As a winger, he's asking for 11% of cap space. That's far above the going rate. He (or his agent) is over-valuing himself - vis-a-vis not only the market, but the team. Matthews and Tavares, as goal-scoring centremen, are more valuable commodities than a play-making winger. Fans are turning a little sour, because his asks are jeopardizing the teams chances of putting together an improved product on the ice. Asking for money that would mean the team holds almost 50% of their cap in 4 players, have 3 of the top 5 salaries in the league, and have never made it out of the 1st round.
Based on his stats, the market would value him at a high-9M, low 10M AAV. He wants to call Matthews as his comparable, but it's apples and oranges. I honestly believe if Dubas caves and gives him $11M plus, the team will take a step back, and end up a wildcard playoff spot at best. Look at the Atlantic. Tampa and Boston aren't going to be getting any worse, and Florida is going to improve bigly. I don't see that Tavares' contract is screwing things up, Nylander's (he should've been mid-6M) and Marner's asks are doing it. That's about $1.5M in cap space over-allocated to the two of them. Pretty valuable when the team needs a reliable backup goalie, and only have 4 of their D under contract at the moment (one of whom wants out).
I said it before, but the market is shifting (because of all these super-talented 21-year old RFAs) to paying younger talent the kind of money that had been reserved for the 28 or 30-year old A-list. The young players expect to be paid for future/potential performance, while the older ones expect to be paid on past AND potential performance. They can't have it both ways. The Leafs got caught right in the middle of it - paying $11M for JT, and now staring down the barrel of that for two 21-year olds. These kids are performing very well, very fast, and want to be compensated for being cheap / entry-level labour for 3 years, and over-delivering. Well, go thank your union for that. That's the way things got structured, so suck it the fuck up. Now, without arbitration rights, they're only card is 'pay me what I want, or I'll hold out'. It's gonna take one GM with brass balls to sit someone for a year, or this is gonna continue to escalate.
Was Marner's performance better than the $2.5M he was paid - sure it was. But that's the deal for entry level. And later in your career, you'll be over-paid for your performance. Is PK Subban a $9M player? Will Erik Karlsson be an $11M player when he's 35? Hell no to both. As I said, the tide is shifting, and the players want it both ways. The economics simply don't work for both ends.
It's an interesting situation, that's for sure. Thanks for the thorough explanation. I'd say his comparable would be someone like Mark Stone, who I think is 9.5 million? Marner has way more points, but both are playmakers. I understand Marner's POV, but maybe too many people are getting into his head? I'm interested to see what happens Monday onward, I have a feeling this will be drawn out for awhile.
And you're right. That Atlantic isn't getting worse, Florida is going to be scary soon (especially if the CBJ duo end up going there). Hopefully in three years or so Ottawa is competitive again, Tampa will probably start regressing eventually and Detroit will be on the up and up as well. Aren't the Marlies really good too? So they'll want to start calling up players as well.
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I feel like if I had to choose between CuJo and JR, I'd go with CuJo.
That's a no brainer. #5 all time in wins, he should be there. @Kev... who are you including as the 3rd best ever? Hasek?
If it's not this guy, then the answer is wrong.
(https://postmediaprovince2.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/beachball.jpg)
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https://youtu.be/JLco0k3kYBY (https://youtu.be/JLco0k3kYBY)
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Luongo retires, giving Van a $3M cap hit for the next three years. Ouch.
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https://youtu.be/JLco0k3kYBY (https://youtu.be/JLco0k3kYBY)
The interesting thing about this (at least for me and only in retrospect) is that, despite Cloutier's suckitude, the Kings thought signing him in 2006 was a good idea. Then, during the Kings' Cup run in 2012, Jonathan Quick gave up a very similar goal to Derek Morris of Phoenix in game 1 of the WCF. Of course the difference is that the Kings won that game and that series and the Cup and Quick won the Conn Smythe. But one always makes me think of the other.
Luongo retires, giving Van a $3M cap hit for the next three years. Ouch.
He's the gift that keeps on giving!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMBuFAtJHJk
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@Kev... who are you including as the 3rd best ever? Hasek?
Yes. Roy, Brodeur and Hasek. And not necessarily in that order.
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@Kev... who are you including as the 3rd best ever? Hasek?
Yes. Roy, Brodeur and Hasek. And not necessarily in that order.
All from the same era lol. I guess the 90s was the golden age of tenders in the NHL. Hard to argue with those guys being the top 3 all time.
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Brodeur and Roy are easy 1-2. Hasek suffers from a lack of longevity imo. I could go back in time and put guys like Hall/Plante/Sawchuk ahead of Hasek. I might also put Belfour ahead of him. Six Vezina's is great, but only took home one cup - after jumping to a tier-1 / loaded team. Kinda like the Durant thing - couldn't win until he got to an already A-list team.
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Dominik Hašek would be my #3.
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Brodeur and Roy are easy 1-2. Hasek suffers from a lack of longevity imo. I could go back in time and put guys like Hall/Plante/Sawchuk ahead of Hasek. I might also put Belfour ahead of him. Six Vezina's is great, but only took home one cup - after jumping to a tier-1 / loaded team. Kinda like the Durant thing - couldn't win until he got to an already A-list team.
While that might be true about his only Cup, I don't hold that against him. He was to goalies in his heyday what Dan Marino was to quarterbacks in the 80's head and shoulders above everyone else, but never had the time around him to win a title. Hockey is the ultimate team sport and so many things have to go your way to win the Cup. I am not taking anything away from Brodeur, but put Hasek on those Devils teams back in the day and he'd have just as many rings as Brodeur if not more.
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Because i hate the Canucks so much, I've really enjoyed reading about Luongo's retirement today. The Canucks take a $3M hit to their cap for the next 3 years for signing him to that ludicrous 12 year contract. Serves them right
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Brodeur and Roy are easy 1-2. Hasek suffers from a lack of longevity imo. I could go back in time and put guys like Hall/Plante/Sawchuk ahead of Hasek. I might also put Belfour ahead of him. Six Vezina's is great, but only took home one cup - after jumping to a tier-1 / loaded team. Kinda like the Durant thing - couldn't win until he got to an already A-list team.
While that might be true about his only Cup, I don't hold that against him. He was to goalies in his heyday what Dan Marino was to quarterbacks in the 80's head and shoulders above everyone else, but never had the time around him to win a title. Hockey is the ultimate team sport and so many things have to go your way to win the Cup. I am not taking anything away from Brodeur, but put Hasek on those Devils teams back in the day and he'd have just as many rings as Brodeur if not more.
Yup. Hasek's career might have been more impressive because he almost never had the sort of team in front of him that Roy and Brodeur had just about every year. All three of them (and others) also benefited greatly from the prevailing style of play in the mid- to late 90s and early 2000s.
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Brodeur and Roy are easy 1-2. Hasek suffers from a lack of longevity imo. I could go back in time and put guys like Hall/Plante/Sawchuk ahead of Hasek. I might also put Belfour ahead of him. Six Vezina's is great, but only took home one cup - after jumping to a tier-1 / loaded team. Kinda like the Durant thing - couldn't win until he got to an already A-list team.
While that might be true about his only Cup, I don't hold that against him. He was to goalies in his heyday what Dan Marino was to quarterbacks in the 80's head and shoulders above everyone else, but never had the time around him to win a title. Hockey is the ultimate team sport and so many things have to go your way to win the Cup. I am not taking anything away from Brodeur, but put Hasek on those Devils teams back in the day and he'd have just as many rings as Brodeur if not more.
Oh, the "If Aaron Rogers Played For The Patriots" argument.
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Is this where we pretend that teammates don't matter when it comes to winning championships?
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Teammates definitely do. I mean, Hasek went to the Finals with the Sabres. The fucking Sabres!
I personally hate grading athletes based on Championships.
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That is why Hasek is one of the three best, despite having only one championship. You could easily argue that he is the best goalie ever.
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That is why Hasek is one of the three best, despite having only one championship. You could easily argue that he is the best goalie ever.
I won't argue that on talent, he is arguably the GOAT. But lets not pretend we're talking about talent only when pulling out the 'greatest' rankings. In NFL, there is the constant argument that championships matter - was Marino more talented than Montana and/or Brady? Would you put Marino ahead of either of them for GOAT? It's impossible to normalize for coaches, team-mates, eras etc, so we often go on stats and awards. Plante has 7 Vezina's and 6 cups. I'd personally rate him ahead of Hasek. I might even have a case to put Dryden ahead of him.
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Championships matter, but they don't mean everything.
Football is very different than hockey.
Being the "most accomplished" doesn't necessarily make you "the greatest." To use another sport as an example, of the 10-11 players usually considered the best NBA players ever, Bill Russell is the most accomplished (11 championships, 5-time league MVP), but almost no one considers him the greatest player ever.
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Basketball is a hard comparison, as the talent of one player CAN make a difference in championships. When one player can routinely be responsible for 30/40/50% of team scoring - every game - that's an indicator that it's a sport that can be more influenced by individuals.
But we digress.
Since I have too much exposure to the Toronto media and it's all-Marner, all-the-time, what's the word on anything else related to free agency that you non Torontonians are hearing?
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He's the gift that keeps on giving!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMBuFAtJHJk
Man, when they swapped out Luongo for Cory Schneider from game 3 of that series onwards, I thought Schneider was a very tough goalie to beat. When the Kings scored the tying goal in game 5 my first reaction was, "HE IS BEATABLE!" As for Luongo, he's never going to live these losses down against Blackhawks, Bruins, and Kings (well, the first two games in the 2012 series) down. Enjoy retirement is all I can say at this point.
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Wow. I was racking my brain for the last two hours or so trying to make sense of Hurricanes buying out Patrick Marleau's contract, Roberto Luongo's retirement and how it affected Canucks' Cap, and then I spend more time looking back at certain decisions the Kings made and how it affected their cap (Matt Greene's buyout. Mike Richards' contract termination, and the recent Dion Phaneuf buyout.)
It was quite the mental challenge trying to make sense of the math of all of those and I think I got it. Hopefully.
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It was quite the mental challenge trying to make sense of the math of all of those
If only CapGeek still existed.
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Re: Carolina, I think it's two reasons. First, they have salary cap room, so used it this year to buy a 1st round pick for next year.
That's the primary reason. Second, there is a league minimum salary to make, and some teams still have to get there. I think Carolina was close to the minimum, and on the off-chance they don't re-sign Aho, Marleau's buyout helps them.
Cap space (or lack thereof) is an asset (liability) that GMs have to use (account for).
@ PG... capfriendly.com is your friend.
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@ PG... capfriendly.com is your friend.
You are a scholar and a gentleman, sir. :tup
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Hmmm, feels like this page was missing something...
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For the next two seasons, the Kings have about $44.2M in cap hits (54.23% of the current cap) for Kopitar, Kovalchuk, Brown, Carter, Doughty and Quick. Kovalchuk drops off after 2020-21, and Carter and Brown drop off after 2021-22.
Even more depressing is that the Kings get dinged for $3.75M+ in 2019-20 and $4.76M+ in 2020-21 for the Phaneuf buyout and the Richards settlement.
That means roughly 60% of the current cap for only 6 roster spots.
Yeesh....
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Re: Carolina, I think it's two reasons. First, they have salary cap room, so used it this year to buy a 1st round pick for next year.
That's the primary reason. Second, there is a league minimum salary to make, and some teams still have to get there. I think Carolina was close to the minimum, and on the off-chance they don't re-sign Aho, Marleau's buyout helps them.
Cap space (or lack thereof) is an asset (liability) that GMs have to use (account for).
@ PG... capfriendly.com is your friend.
Capfriendly really helped me out there. I totally get Carolina's perspective on why they bought out Marleau if both sides feel like he wasn't going to play for them and the benefits Carolina gets for buying out when it comes to the Cap, Salary amount and getting picks. Apparently, now Marleau is a free agent (no restrictions or anything, I think?) and that he's free to sign and it looks like he may go back to the Sharks (in which the Sharks wouldn't need to use up 6+ million of cap space. It would be a fraction of that) to finish his career off.
I was just mainly really confused on how they came up with the buyout calculation and the math for the other things I mentioned like Luongo's retirement and how the Canucks have to give up $3m+ of cap space for the next three years.
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Apparently, now Marleau is a free agent (no restrictions or anything, I think?) and that he's free to sign and it looks like he may go back to the Sharks (in which the Sharks wouldn't need to use up 6+ million of cap space. It would be a fraction of that) to finish his career off.
I'm 100% certain that was the deal between Dubas and Wadell. The latter was going to make a pitch to Marleau, but there was a snowball's chance in hell that he was going to play one year in Raleigh while his family moved back to CA. He's stated in the media that he feels he has a couple of years left, but I think it's San Jose (or an outside chance at one of the other two CA teams) or retirement.
@ pg... try 4 guys eating up 50% of the cap, which is what Toronto is staring down once Marner is signed. :facepalm:
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@ pg... try 4 guys eating up 50% of the cap, which is what Toronto is staring down once Marner is signed. :facepalm:
If you take our top four contracts plus the Richards and Phaneuf money, that's pretty much where the Kings are....
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Rangers setting the high water mark with Panarin now the 2nd highest paid player in the league - 7/$81.5 ... $11.64M. For what?? What has he done in his career - no awards, and only 1 playoff win with what has been a very CBJ team for the past few years.
Bobs to the Panthers - 7 yrs / $70M ... they're gonna die on the last couple years of that contract.
Duchene to Preds - 7/$56M
Pavelski to Dallas
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Sebastian Aho has signed an offer sheet with the Canadiens, five years worth more than $42 million.
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Leave it to the fucking Canadiens to extend an offer sheet. Seems no one does that anymore. Why didn't they just go after Marner?
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Canes might still match that offer sheet since Aho was one of their best players.
The bobrosky deal is just fucking stupid. Goalies are not worth 10M. Period. That contract will put florida in cap purgatory for years right alongside the Habs for their carey price signing. Teams are winning cups with goalies $6m and below without any problem. Hell, pens and blues won with entry level goalies.
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^ agreed.
The targeting of Aho makes sense. Carolina is not a CASH rich team. The structure of his contract I league minimum salary ($700k) for each of the first two years, with $20M in bonuses over that same period. Gonna be real difficult for Carolina to match.
As for going after Marner, I don’t know what that Mtl’s situation with compensation picks is. Remember, the compensation going back had to be a teams OWN picks - not ones they’ve acquired via trade. I’m not sure Mark has all four of their first round picks? Even still, at the AAV they offered Aho, it’s the third tier down from the top - so one each of a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick.
After losing in the Panarin sweepstakes, Lou brings Anders Lee back to the island.
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Chad, I wasn't really thinking about the Comp picks.
I just feel like if you're going to "break the code", then go for the big fish.
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Well, fuck....:(
https://www.nhl.com/news/greg-johnson-former-nashville-predators-captain-died-48/c-308218874
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Not sure how Brad Treliving still has a job in Calgary, but we in Edmonton thank him very much. Maybe the fans down there will forget about the trade today since it was overshadowed by their tentative new arena deal with the city. Either way, good fucking riddance Milan Lucic.
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I saw that, and instantly thought of you. How do you sign a guy in Free Agency for that kinda dough, then unload him a year later for Milan Fucking Lucic's worst-in-the-league contract!?!?!?
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Yup. And it sounds like the oil are only retaining 600k in salary. This is an upgrade on all fronts.
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So basically it's a wash. They each just traded one steaming turd for another. Both are 31 years old, both signed thru '22/'23, and both had single digit goals and no more than 20 points.
And each GM thinks a New Jersey will magically fix their output??
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I saw this yesterday. I didn’t realize James Neal was so putrid last year.
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Last year could be an anomaly for Neal, whereas Lucic has been declining hard for years. Do i think Neal will score 30? Of course not, but at least he can still skate and pass at an NHL level.