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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: dreamthr on July 04, 2018, 03:45:37 PM
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I recently posted my feelings how Dream Theater is not the same band since Mike Portnoy left. As with most teams (music & sports), when the star leaves, he is replaced. Everyone is replaceable; perhaps with the exception of Derek Jeter. The result could be positive of negative. For me, Mike Portnoy leaving DT was negative; they are just different now. They are missing something.
On the other hand, Kevin Moore the keyboardist on "Images and Words" and "Awake" (considered by many as DT's best album) suddenly left the band and his replacement Derek Sherinian lasted one studio album. Then along came Jordan Rudess, a Julliard prodigy, and an incredible player. Jordan just killed both earlier DT keyboardists, and his presence greatly improved the band. This time, a replacement in DT was definitely a positive one and Jordan's impact on "Scenes from a Memory" put DT back on the map of great progressive rock bands. And it has continued to the present. Jordan Rudess is easily the best musician in Dream Theater. He's just brilliant.
Now this may shock you. I feel that Jordan is not only rock music's best keyboardist today, but after serious thought, I have to say Jordan is a better player than the great Keith Emerson was. This opinion comes from a keyboardist (me) that said "Thank you for changing my life" when I first met Keith Emerson. I was speaking not only for myself, but for the thousands of keyboard players that feel the same way. Keith Emerson took the ignored keyboardist from behind the drummer and made them recognizable. He was the first keyboardist to be a band's frontman that wasn't a guitarist or singer. He changed the musical world for keyboardists everywhere.
Nevertheless, Jordan is the greatest player I've ever heard. However, he will never attain the legacy status Keith Emerson did. After all, Keith composed "Tarkus" and "Pirates"; enough said.
Dream Theater's addition of Jordan Rudess is without a doubt the most important change in Dream Theater's history. He's made them a better band, and better musicians, year after year. And yes, he does blow away his fellow bandmates, whether you agree with that or not.
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What's wrong with the standard font size?
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Jeter was replaceable. Have you noticed how good the Yankees are? Gregorious is better offensively and defensively.
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Gregarious is better offensively and defensively.
I have mad respect for that guy. This, from Red Sox Nation.
What's wrong with the standard font size?
:lol
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Jordan is the greatest keyboard alive in rock and metal music, and one of the best pianists on the planet in general. His talent is something only a few people can achieve with a lifetime of practice - he has always been a natural at the instrument and people like him come around very, very rarely. DT is extremely lucky to have a musician of his caliber in the group, and that's not even taking into account his friendly, kind personality, and how humble he comes across with his playing. He knows he's super awesome at what he does but never ever bashes it over people's heads or is arrogant about it.
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Jeter sucks, fuck the Yankees.
:heart JR
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Jeter sucks, fuck the Yankees.
:heart, TAC
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Jeter was replaceable.
His leadership isn’t.
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They seem to be doing just fine without it, as opposed to the last couple of years he was with them.
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My only problem with Jordan Rudess is that sometimes he plays a lot more notes than the music calls for. Specially with his solo music. But beyond that he’s a great musician
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Man, the odds I would have given you on Didi Gregorius coming up within 2 replies of a thread about Jordan Rudess :lol :lol
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That's what forums are like. After about 10 thread replies, the subject goes off topic.
BTW: Is LeBron James irreplaceable?
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Man, the odds I would have given you on Didi Gregorius coming up within 2 replies of a thread about Jordan Rudess :lol :lol
Well, in my defense he name-dropped Jeter . . .
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That's what forums are like. After about 10 thread replies, the subject goes off topic.
Right and the font size returns to normal
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Everybody may not be replaceable, but everybody is expendable.
Back on topic. Jordan is the best musician in DT. Not taking anything away from the rest of the band, but think about what he brought into the band when he joined and what he has taught the band over the years in terms of music. I believe he's made the band better in terms of musicianship.
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Back on topic. Jordan is the best musician in DT. Not taking anything away from the rest of the band, but think about what he brought into the band when he joined and what he has taught the band over the years in terms of music. I believe he's made the band better in terms of musicianship.
Cool that you feel that way. And I can't really disagree. But I can't really agree either. They ALL bring a LOT of musicianship to the table. I can't really say who is "THE greatest" among them. I feel that doing that for any of the band members either diminishes what the others bring to the table or has an overly restrictive and narrow definition of "musicianship." Does the fact that John Myung almost exclusively plays a traditionally noncompositional instrument, or that he isn't as talented on the piana as Jordan is, mean that he brings less musicianship to the band? I wouldn't say so. And I don't think Jordan would either.
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Back on topic. Jordan is the best musician in DT. Not taking anything away from the rest of the band, but think about what he brought into the band when he joined and what he has taught the band over the years in terms of music. I believe he's made the band better in terms of musicianship.
Cool that you feel that way. And I can't really disagree. But I can't really agree either. They ALL bring a LOT of musicianship to the table. I can't really say who is "THE greatest" among them. I feel that doing that for any of the band members either diminishes what the others bring to the table or has an overly restrictive and narrow definition of "musicianship." Does the fact that John Myung almost exclusively plays a traditionally noncompositional instrument, or that he isn't as talented on the piana as Jordan is, mean that he brings less musicianship to the band? I wouldn't say so. And I don't think Jordan would either.
I agree with you there.
To me, Jordan brought a new level into the band that it didn't have before. I think it upped the game of the others. I wonder what the band would say has been the result for them as musicians of having Jordan in the band for 19 years now.
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What Jordan brought to the table is hugely obvious to all and sundry, but let me submit a little theory of mine so you guys can tell me whether I am crazy or I am crazy but marginally on to something.
Among countless contributes, Rudess brought a very distinctive compositional trend, almost a staple after roughly twenty years. Every time a song (or a section of it) acts as emotional centre or as a story's turning point, or is just gunning for a deep personal feeling/experience, they unsheath the 3/4-6/8 (or ternary anyway) signature. Think The Spirit Carries On, Losing Time/Grand Finale, In the Name of God, ANTR's Agony segment, TCOT exit, to This Is the Life, Along for the Ride, HoaTV's Glorious Sound section and other instances I'm probably forgetting.
I tend to chalk this up to Jordan because it has never happened (with such frequency at least) before 1999.
EDIT: Typo Demon kindly go to hell.
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My only problem with Jordan Rudess is that sometimes he plays a lot more notes than the music calls for. Specially with his solo music. But beyond that he’s a great musician
I feel the same way. Jordan is a beast but I sometimes feel that the music would be better with less notes, that the melodies would work a little better.
Regarding the topic, Jordan is the best Keyboardist DT has had, and probably the best keyboardist period, but Kevin Moore brought something to the mix that was really special, he had a great notion of how to add an interesting and mood filled layer to the music with simple elements. I miss that very much.
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Now this may shock you. I feel that Jordan is not only rock music's best keyboardist today, but after serious thought, I have to say Jordan is a better player than the great Keith Emerson was. This opinion comes from a keyboardist (me) that said "Thank you for changing my life" when I first met Keith Emerson. I was speaking not only for myself, but for the thousands of keyboard players that feel the same way. Keith Emerson took the ignored keyboardist from behind the drummer and made them recognizable. He was the first keyboardist to be a band's frontman that wasn't a guitarist or singer. He changed the musical world for keyboardists everywhere.
Nevertheless, Jordan is the greatest player I've ever heard. However, he will never attain the legacy status Keith Emerson did. After all, Keith composed "Tarkus" and "Pirates"; enough said.
Dream Theater's addition of Jordan Rudess is without a doubt the most important change in Dream Theater's history. He's made them a better band, and better musicians, year after year. And yes, he does blow away his fellow bandmates, whether you agree with that or not.
As Emerson is my favorite rock keyboardist, I think about him and Jordan quite a bit. One thing that Jordan has over Emerson is that Jordan has always been willing to master newer technologies whereas Emerson in his later years was kind of set in his ways.
For the most part, I've always thought Jordan's talent has been underutilized in the band too. The solo albums give you a better indication of that he's capable of doing.
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Jordan's cover of Tarkus is a testament to his musical prowess. Holy freaking crap that's a monumental undertaking.
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He's a great composer and awesome guy :) Solos aren't particulary my taste, they tyically consist of [Big pitch bend with feeling] - [Note soup] - [Big pitch bend with feeling] - [Note soup] but I get the idea of it
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My only problem with Jordan Rudess is that sometimes he plays a lot more notes than the music calls for. Specially with his solo music. But beyond that he’s a great musician
I feel the same way. Jordan is a beast but I sometimes feel that the music would be better with less notes, that the melodies would work a little better.
Regarding the topic, Jordan is the best Keyboardist DT has had, and probably the best keyboardist period, but Kevin Moore brought something to the mix that was really special, he had a great notion of how to add an interesting and mood filled layer to the music with simple elements. I miss that very much.
Agree with all of this.
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Jordan's cover of Tarkus is a testament to his musical prowess. Holy freaking crap that's a monumental undertaking.
Which version? I haven't really found one that I'm impressed with. It's not really Jordan's fault either. Is there a version out there with musicians in comparable to him?
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Jordan is the greatest keyboard alive in rock and metal music, and one of the best pianists on the planet in general. His talent is something only a few people can achieve with a lifetime of practice - he has always been a natural at the instrument and people like him come around very, very rarely. DT is extremely lucky to have a musician of his caliber in the group, and that's not even taking into account his friendly, kind personality, and how humble he comes across with his playing. He knows he's super awesome at what he does but never ever bashes it over people's heads or is arrogant about it.
Yeah really humble I was only able to talk to him very briefly in a Meet and greet last year, very personable. I am not a Keyboardist but I would love to have a some few lessons for orchestration and music theory with the guy.
It would be a sad day when the time comes for that man to retire.
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Jordan's cover of Tarkus is a testament to his musical prowess. Holy freaking crap that's a monumental undertaking.
Imagine having written it...;)
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Jordan's cover of Tarkus is a testament to his musical prowess. Holy freaking crap that's a monumental undertaking.
Imagine having written it...;)
I've been listening to Tarkus a lot lately. I never knew Ruddess recorded a version of it. I must hear this ASAP.
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Jordan's cover of Tarkus is a testament to his musical prowess. Holy freaking crap that's a monumental undertaking.
Imagine having written it...;)
I've been listening to Tarkus a lot lately. I never knew Ruddess recorded a version of it. I must hear this ASAP.
He also does a kick ass version of Hoedown on the Magna Carta Tribute. For those that want to got there Derek play Tarkus on that tribute with James signing it. Portnoy is also on a few ELP tracks.
Same formula though. Get everyone signed to that label and get them involved recording tribute albums. Great for the fans and the label but probably not very good for the artists as it turned out.
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So - I bumped this thread because, aside from the two threads about Jordan's solos, I think we need to discuss/track Jordan's guitar playing! :metal
He's a talented guy for sure - but dang, he's picking up mad skills on guitar rather quickly. And, amassing a collection of shred-orientated guitars rather quickly as well. He just got a new purple Strandberg 7 string!
Is he going to have his next solo album contain massive riffs and sweep-picking passages to rule us all? Will the next DT release have dueling guitar leads and amazing guitar harmony passages?
He seems rather stoked and excited to be learning new stuff. Just thought this would be a great place to post and discuss it as it happens.
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So - I bumped this thread because, aside from the two threads about Jordan's solos, I think we need to discuss/track Jordan's guitar playing! :metal
He's a talented guy for sure - but dang, he's picking up mad skills on guitar rather quickly. And, amassing a collection of shred-orientated guitars rather quickly as well. He just got a new purple Strandberg 7 string!
Is he going to have his next solo album contain massive riffs and sweep-picking passages to rule us all? Will the next DT release have dueling guitar leads and amazing guitar harmony passages?
He seems rather stoked and excited to be learning new stuff. Just thought this would be a great place to post and discuss it as it happens.
Hasn’t Jordan been playing guitar for years? I seem to remember it being talked about back when he joined the band.
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Hasn’t Jordan been playing guitar for years? I seem to remember it being talked about back when he joined the band.
I think so - but it seems that since the beginning of November or just before that, Jordan has been posting frequently about practicing guitar and having lessons and getting going on his "guitar journey" While he may have dabbled in it previously, it appears he's upped his dedication to shred these days ;)
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I know he's gotten several lessons from JP lately. Between that and his musical knowledge from playing the keys/piano all of his life, he won't have much of a problem getting good on guitar.
Back to the original post. I don't think it's fair to say that JR blows away his fellow bandmates as a musician. To me every member of DT is just as accomplished as the other and are equally as good on their respective instruments. MM is equally as good on the drums, JP is equally as good on guitar, JM on bass, JLB is a excellent singer. That's why DT is such a powerhouse.
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So - I bumped this thread because, aside from the two threads about Jordan's solos, I think we need to discuss/track Jordan's guitar playing! :metal
Well, you could have started a new thread for that, since it would be a completely different topic.
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Jeter was replaceable. Have you noticed how good the Yankees are? Gregorious is better offensively and defensively.
LOL...fucking what??? :lol :lol :lol
For starters, Gregorious isn't on the Yankees and hasn't been since 2019. Gregorious had 3 1/2 decent seasons with the Yankees, but he isn't fit to put pine tar on Jeter's bat. I'll give you that he MIGHT have been a marginally better defender, but Jeter's intangibles were off any chart. Didi Gregorious has never even been voted or named to play in an all-star game. No Gold Gloves (Jeter had 5). No Silver Sluggers (Jeter had 5). No postseason accolades.
That said, I don't disagree with this AT ALL:
fuck the Yankees.
Anyway...
Yeah, Jordan Rudess is pretty damn good. He helped resurrect a floundering band.
I don't like the idea of comparing him to Emerson, though. Rudess is obviously a far more traditionally educated musician, but I think that makes Emerson all the more impressive. To write something like Tarkus and the myriad other pieces he wrote with only minimal formal musical education and virtually no stylistic progenitors is absolutely staggering. We probably don't see more than 25-40% of Rudess in DT (and I don't pay attention to his solo stuff). Suffice to say, both are/were absolute monsters.
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That said, I don't disagree with this AT ALL:
fuck the Yankees.
Works for me too.
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Hasn’t Jordan been playing guitar for years? I seem to remember it being talked about back when he joined the band.
I think so - but it seems that since the beginning of November or just before that, Jordan has been posting frequently about practicing guitar and having lessons and getting going on his "guitar journey" While he may have dabbled in it previously, it appears he's upped his dedication to shred these days ;)
A few years ago, he had a signature guitar which I thought was odd...not the guitar, but the fact that he had a signature guitar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrJLOGI3v48
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A few years ago, he had a signature guitar which I thought was odd...not the guitar, but the fact that he had a signature guitar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrJLOGI3v48
I know what you're saying, but let's face it, Druzkowski Guitars aren't exactly on the same level as Fender, Gibson or Ibanez, or even Music Man. :lol
Wouldn't be surprised if the luthier is a DT fan and gave JR the guitar for free, in exchange to asking JR to attach his name to it.
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Jordan played guitar at an LTE show in...2008 I think? when his keyboard rig went down. He was pretty accomplished back then. Based on the audio of that show he actually sounded a lot more accomplished back then compared to some of the recent clips I've heard. So he's certainly been playing on and off for quite a while.
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Jeter sucks, fuck the Yankees.
:heart JR
As a lifelong Yankees hater, I'm on board with this.
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I occasionally think thoughts of Jordan Rudess. Often when I'm listening to DT. He is...a person that exists.
I will say I appreciate the attempts to derail the thread by focusing on Derek Jeter.
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I recently posted my feelings how Dream Theater is not the same band since Mike Portnoy left. As with most teams (music & sports), when the star leaves, he is replaced. Everyone is replaceable; perhaps with the exception of Derek Jeter. The result could be positive of negative. For me, Mike Portnoy leaving DT was negative; they are just different now. They are missing something.
On the other hand, Kevin Moore the keyboardist on "Images and Words" and "Awake" (considered by many as DT's best album) suddenly left the band and his replacement Derek Sherinian lasted one studio album. Then along came Jordan Rudess, a Julliard prodigy, and an incredible player. Jordan just killed both earlier DT keyboardists, and his presence greatly improved the band. This time, a replacement in DT was definitely a positive one and Jordan's impact on "Scenes from a Memory" put DT back on the map of great progressive rock bands. And it has continued to the present. Jordan Rudess is easily the best musician in Dream Theater. He's just brilliant.
Now this may shock you. I feel that Jordan is not only rock music's best keyboardist today, but after serious thought, I have to say Jordan is a better player than the great Keith Emerson was. This opinion comes from a keyboardist (me) that said "Thank you for changing my life" when I first met Keith Emerson. I was speaking not only for myself, but for the thousands of keyboard players that feel the same way. Keith Emerson took the ignored keyboardist from behind the drummer and made them recognizable. He was the first keyboardist to be a band's frontman that wasn't a guitarist or singer. He changed the musical world for keyboardists everywhere.
Nevertheless, Jordan is the greatest player I've ever heard. However, he will never attain the legacy status Keith Emerson did. After all, Keith composed "Tarkus" and "Pirates"; enough said.
Dream Theater's addition of Jordan Rudess is without a doubt the most important change in Dream Theater's history. He's made them a better band, and better musicians, year after year. And yes, he does blow away his fellow bandmates, whether you agree with that or not.
(https://dreamthr.com/Dream%20Theater/DT%20World%20Tourbulence-02.jpg)
Well, first let me say I agree with your first statement that the band is different without MP, but I don't agree with anything else there. I think they're way better now without him, no disrespect to MP because he's a great drummer. It's just that MM is a next-level player, with whom only a few can compare.
With respect to JR, I pretty much agree he's so damn good. He's the best out there now but I think it's important to caveat that players need to be considered in the context of the style in which they play. I think he is the best proggy/prog-metal pianist out there. Also, I am not sure if you play any instruments, but I do not think it's accurate to say he blows the other band members away. If you are a guitarist and you post here, you have to know that JP is a a legendary guitarist who is going down in music history. MM is a similar story, even though he never played in such a big act for an extended period of time -- he is truly next level. JM is also an elite bassist. I think today all the instrumentalists are at the top of the food chain in their respective instruments, which is totally awesome and very rare.
On the other hand, I could see someone making the case that Kevin Moore is better because he played on better albums and had better solos. That'd be a fair argument.
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Jordan Rudess was definitely a great addition to the band- “who is better than who” is kind of conjecture and opinion at this level. I think Kevin Moore was the greatest keyboardist for Dream Theater FOR THAT TIME. Just like Rudess was perfect for the operatic style of Scenes from a Memory (his shining moment with the band in my opinion, along with ADToE).
I think his only weakness is the more straight ahead metal headbangers. I’m not convinced he feels comfortable with those songs, and I’m not convinced he is REALLY engaged with that type of music. Some of his parts seem superfluous and unnecessary. There are more than a few songs/moments from ToT, D/T, and View where the songs would be improved if had he completely sat the song out. The same could be said of Moore, though.
I also don’t agree that he blows the other members of DT away. They are all talented musicians with their respective instruments. And you’re talking apples and oranges. Rudess may be one of the best keyboardists in the biz today but Petrucci and Myung are also absolute monsters.
Finally, he is a great pianist but listening to some of his classical work, it’s pretty obvious he’s not anywhere in the league of the greats (Horowitz, Rubinstein, Gould etc). That’s not a knock on him- very few people ARE in that league. Rudess is a rock keyboardist not a professional classical pianist.
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we know that rudess himself does not control the official instagram account but he himself knows that he follows lots of porn stars😁
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I came into this thread to see if Jordan Rudess' thoughts were posted here, but the thread title lied to me. 😤
-Marc.
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My thoughts of Jordan Rudess are that he’s an amazing keyboard player, definitely one of the best to touch the instrument, but that he was a better fit for LTE than DT.
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we know that rudess himself does not control the official instagram account but he himself knows that he follows lots of porn stars😁
He left a mildly saucy comment on a photo of Shakira on Facebook once, lock up your man mrs. Rudess :rollin
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Thoughts of Jordan Rudess;
'Hmmm.....I don't know the guy, but he seems like he would be a nice chap. Plays keyboards fairly well too.'
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My only problem with Jordan Rudess is that sometimes he plays a lot more notes than the music calls for. Specially with his solo music. But beyond that he’s a great musician
This.
He tends to give their music an almost robotic feel.
I recognize his talent. But he is my third favorite DT keyboardist.
I personally loved Derek. He reminds me of Slash. Flare. A distinct tone. The ability to make songs better on a whole, without being the best at their craft\instrument.
Kevin gave DT's music his sadness and longing for something else. You could hear it in all the songs he was involved with.
Have DT flourished with Jorden? Sure.
But the songs are all very similar. They write Jordon's solo's into the music. They shouldn't have to.
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I don't know the guy, but he seems like he would be a nice chap.
He is. First time I took my kids to see DT, we bumped into him walking out a parking deck on the way to the venue. He walked us to the venue and we had very pleasant conversation on the way, with him including my kids. When we got there, he gave me his iphone so I could take a pic of him standing next to the marquee outside displaying the night's DT show. Super cool cat.
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Have DT flourished with Jorden? Sure.
But the songs are all very similar. They write Jordon's solo's into the music. They shouldn't have to.
I've never seen someone misspell "Jordan" twice, in two different ways, in a thread whose subject spells the name correctly at the top. :lol
Let's just toss out "Jordin" and "Jordun" for good measure.
-Marc.
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Have DT flourished with Jorden? Sure.
But the songs are all very similar. They write Jordon's solo's into the music. They shouldn't have to.
I've never seen someone misspell "Jordan" twice, in two different ways, in a thread whose subject spells the name correctly at the top. :lol
Let's just toss out "Jordin" and "Jordun" for good measure.
-Marc.
Jordan played some piano on the Prefab Sprout album "The Gunman and Other Stories" (which is really good BTW). The liner notes credited him as Jordan Rudes, with just one S.
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Have DT flourished with Jorden? Sure.
But the songs are all very similar. They write Jordon's solo's into the music. They shouldn't have to.
I've never seen someone misspell "Jordan" twice, in two different ways, in a thread whose subject spells the name correctly at the top. :lol
Let's just toss out "Jordin" and "Jordun" for good measure.
-Marc.
Don't forget Jordyn! :lol
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I don't know the guy, but he seems like he would be a nice chap.
He is. First time I took my kids to see DT, we bumped into him walking out a parking deck on the way to the venue. He walked us to the venue and we had very pleasant conversation on the way, with him including my kids. When we got there, he gave me his iphone so I could take a pic of him standing next to the marquee outside displaying the night's DT show. Super cool cat.
Cool story hef! My judgement was correct then haha.
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Have DT flourished with Jorden? Sure.
But the songs are all very similar. They write Jordon's solo's into the music. They shouldn't have to.
I've never seen someone misspell "Jordan" twice, in two different ways, in a thread whose subject spells the name correctly at the top. :lol
Let's just toss out "Jordin" and "Jordun" for good measure.
-Marc.
This Jawden fella seems pretty good though.
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Storytime;
About ten years ago while on tour Jordan once posted a YouTube video of himself walking around my local city- lo and behold he stops for minute on the sidewalk DIRECTLY outside my apartment (on his way to the AppleStore a few blocks away). Maybe he could sense the presence of DT fan?? I mean what are the odds of that? I still kick myself for not being outside- if I had only known!! Surely he would have asked me for a tour of the city, given me backstage passes and we would have most certainly became best friends. :laugh:
Anyway, that’s my Jordan (non)story.