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Title: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: KevShmev on June 14, 2018, 08:24:32 PM
Time for a new thread, yes?

Draft is coming up soon. Where will LeBron sign?  Who will the Warriors add to their team? 

Let's do this.  :coolio


Old thread here:  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=50394.0 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: King Postwhore on June 14, 2018, 08:30:56 PM
Time for a new thread, yes?

Draft is coming up soon. Where will LeBron sign?  Who will the Warriors add to their team? 

Let's do this.  :coolio

Will the NBA refs ever call a travel?  Stay tuned!!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: KevShmev on June 14, 2018, 08:49:26 PM
I think if a player takes a 4th step, they might call a travel.

A 5th if that player is a superstar.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: Azyiu on June 15, 2018, 01:15:28 AM
@ LeBron... stay in Cleveland and don't join and ruin my Lakers! Lol!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: KevShmev on June 15, 2018, 05:49:45 AM
@ LeBron... stay in Cleveland and don't join and ruin my Lakers! Lol!

You mean "please make them relevant again," right? ;)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 15, 2018, 06:13:22 AM
I honestly have no idea where LeBron's going to be playing next year. I think his heart is telling him to stay in Cleveland, but his head is telling him to get away from Dan Gilbert. If that's the case, LA, San Antonio, Houston, Miami and Philly all come into play. Should be interesting. And if he leaves, it shouldn't go over as poorly as the decision did in 2010. At least he got 'em a ring.

The Warriors are incredible... but I hope that there are far less injuries next year. It's incredible how far Boston got with their injuries. Sucked that Chris Paul got hurt when he did. Sucks that whatever happened to Kawai Leonard happened to him. Would love to see the Warriors play these teams at their best.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: bosk1 on June 15, 2018, 08:25:28 AM
I honestly have no idea where LeBron's going to be playing next year. I think his heart is telling him to stay in Cleveland, but his head is telling him to get away from Dan Gilbert. If that's the case, LA, San Antonio, Houston, Miami and Philly all come into play. Should be interesting. And if he leaves, it shouldn't go over as poorly as the decision did in 2010. At least he got 'em a ring.

I'm not so sure it wouldn't go over as poorly.  If he were to go to a third team now, it kind of smacks of him just whoring himself out.  I mean, ultimately, he doesn't have to answer to anyone but himself on that front, so who cares what others think.  But speaking solely in terms of perception, I'm not sure there wouldn't be just as strong a reaction among some as when he left the first time.

The Warriors are incredible... but I hope that there are far less injuries next year. It's incredible how far Boston got with their injuries. Sucked that Chris Paul got hurt when he did. Sucks that whatever happened to Kawai Leonard happened to him. Would love to see the Warriors play these teams at their best.

Yes.  But a lot of people also seem to have collective amnesia and forget all the Warriors injuries as well.  Each and every one of their "big 4," as well as Iguodala and others on their bench missed major time this season due to injury, with Steph missing a long stretch at the end of the season and into the playoffs, and Iguodala missing the latter half of the Houston series and first half of the Cleveland series.  I mean, we kind of know what a "healthy Rockets vs. healthy Warriors" game looks like.  It looks a lot like game 1 of the Rockets/Warriors series, which the Warriors won handily.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: Lonk on June 15, 2018, 09:14:47 AM
It’s too soon to start making prediction. I’ll wait until August when all major moves will be done with.

As of right now I don’t think Lebron Stays with the Cavs.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: bosk1 on June 15, 2018, 09:26:35 AM
Kev, I edited your post to include a link to the old thread right up front in case people need to refer back.  Old thread is locked, but still exists for reference.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: pg1067 on June 15, 2018, 09:47:56 AM
@ LeBron... stay in Cleveland and don't join and ruin my Lakers! Lol!

You mean "please make them relevant again," right? ;)

If I have to listen to one more "Lebron and every other good player in the NBA will be signing with the Lakers this off-season" conversation on SoCal sports talk radio, I may have to do some serious bodily harm to someone.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 15, 2018, 10:59:38 AM
I honestly have no idea where LeBron's going to be playing next year. I think his heart is telling him to stay in Cleveland, but his head is telling him to get away from Dan Gilbert. If that's the case, LA, San Antonio, Houston, Miami and Philly all come into play. Should be interesting. And if he leaves, it shouldn't go over as poorly as the decision did in 2010. At least he got 'em a ring.

I'm not so sure it wouldn't go over as poorly.  If he were to go to a third team now, it kind of smacks of him just whoring himself out.  I mean, ultimately, he doesn't have to answer to anyone but himself on that front, so who cares what others think.  But speaking solely in terms of perception, I'm not sure there wouldn't be just as strong a reaction among some as when he left the first time.

The Warriors are incredible... but I hope that there are far less injuries next year. It's incredible how far Boston got with their injuries. Sucked that Chris Paul got hurt when he did. Sucks that whatever happened to Kawai Leonard happened to him. Would love to see the Warriors play these teams at their best.

Yes.  But a lot of people also seem to have collective amnesia and forget all the Warriors injuries as well.  Each and every one of their "big 4," as well as Iguodala and others on their bench missed major time this season due to injury, with Steph missing a long stretch at the end of the season and into the playoffs, and Iguodala missing the latter half of the Houston series and first half of the Cleveland series.  I mean, we kind of know what a "healthy Rockets vs. healthy Warriors" game looks like.  It looks a lot like game 1 of the Rockets/Warriors series, which the Warriors won handily.

Let's not pretend that an injury to an Iguodala even remotely comes close to losing Hayward on opening night, or Irving before the playoffs. With the Warriors, the only way I'd feel sorry for them is if two of the three "guys" were out for the year.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: Nekov on June 15, 2018, 11:23:08 AM
I honestly have no idea where LeBron's going to be playing next year. I think his heart is telling him to stay in Cleveland, but his head is telling him to get away from Dan Gilbert. If that's the case, LA, San Antonio, Houston, Miami and Philly all come into play. Should be interesting. And if he leaves, it shouldn't go over as poorly as the decision did in 2010. At least he got 'em a ring.

I'm not so sure it wouldn't go over as poorly.  If he were to go to a third team now, it kind of smacks of him just whoring himself out.  I mean, ultimately, he doesn't have to answer to anyone but himself on that front, so who cares what others think.  But speaking solely in terms of perception, I'm not sure there wouldn't be just as strong a reaction among some as when he left the first time.

Not so sure about that. I think most of the NBA is expecting him to make a move and at this point the only fans who would be butthurt would be Cavs fans, and even they have to thank him for giving them a Championship. The truth is Durant going to the Warriors broke the NBA, there is no way Lebron can compete against that juggernaut with the current cast and the Cavs no longer have good assets to rebuild on the fly like they did the last 2 seasons.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: bosk1 on June 15, 2018, 11:24:25 AM
@DoC:  No, that ONE specific injury does not directly compare to Boston losing those two players.  But the cumulative effect of losing all 5* starters AND a few other bench players is pretty significant.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: Nekov on June 15, 2018, 11:29:17 AM
And apparently Kawhi wants out of the Spurs. I never expected this team to have such a mess in their hands. Wonder what happened.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: Accelerando on June 15, 2018, 12:25:34 PM
Kawhi’s uncle happened, and has been feeding him some bullshit.

I’m also being very spiteful, and he could be a decent human being.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: romdrums on June 18, 2018, 07:51:11 AM
Honestly, I don't think Cavs fans will be that upset with Lebron if he decides to take his talents elsewhere.  He got the city a championship.  I think most smart Cavs fans will realize that Dan Gilbert is the problem.  The rage was justified the first time around, but I think the fans will be a bit more understanding this time around.  There will be the crazies, of course, but that championship will soothe a lot of the pain.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 18, 2018, 07:54:21 AM
Honestly, I don't think Cavs fans will be that upset with Lebron if he decides to take his talents elsewhere.  He got the city a championship.  I think most smart Cavs fans will realize that Dan Gilbert is the problem.  The rage was justified the first time around, but I think the fans will be a bit more understanding this time around.  There will be the crazies, of course, but that championship will soothe a lot of the pain.

That's exactly how I perceive it. We shall see.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: Azyiu on June 20, 2018, 09:31:39 AM
Dwight Howard got traded to the Nets... dreams do come true, I guess? Lol! IIRC, didn't D12 want to be traded to the Nets prior to the 2012-13 season? Lol!  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 20, 2018, 09:37:29 AM
Dwight Howard got traded to the Nets... dreams do come true, I guess? Lol! IIRC, didn't D12 want to be traded to the Nets prior to the 2012-13 season? Lol!  :lol

This would make what, 6 teams? From perennial all-star to journeyman.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: Azyiu on June 20, 2018, 09:39:49 AM
This would make what, 6 teams? From perennial all-star to journeyman.

Playing for 6 teams in a career is fine... even Shaq has played for 6 teams. His problem is, D12 seems to leave each team in very bad terms.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: King Postwhore on June 20, 2018, 09:52:04 AM
This would make what, 6 teams? From perennial all-star to journeyman.

Playing for 6 teams in a career is fine... even Shaq has played for 6 teams. His problem is, D12 seems to leave each team in very bad terms.

Dwight Howard reminds me of David Price in baseball.  Major talent but mentally soft which affects his game.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: Nekov on June 21, 2018, 05:59:53 AM
This would make what, 6 teams? From perennial all-star to journeyman.

Playing for 6 teams in a career is fine... even Shaq has played for 6 teams. His problem is, D12 seems to leave each team in very bad terms.

Not the case here. Howard had a really good season, he was a force during the second half of the season. They traded him to get under the tax since there is no reason to pay tax if you're not going to make it through the playoffs. I fell kinda sad for him, he seemed to finally have found his place in the league.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: Nekov on June 21, 2018, 06:37:43 AM
This would make what, 6 teams? From perennial all-star to journeyman.

Playing for 6 teams in a career is fine... even Shaq has played for 6 teams. His problem is, D12 seems to leave each team in very bad terms.

Not the case here. Howard had a really good season, he was a force during the second half of the season. They traded him to get under the tax since there is no reason to pay tax if you're not going to make it through the playoffs. I fell kinda sad for him, he seemed to finally have found his place in the league.

I stand corrected. I was just reading that the locker room no longer wanted him. I guess this is a win for everyone in Charlotte then.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: lonestar on June 21, 2018, 12:28:35 PM
Go Dubs, see you guys in the playoffs...
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 22, 2018, 05:53:55 AM
This would make what, 6 teams? From perennial all-star to journeyman.

Playing for 6 teams in a career is fine... even Shaq has played for 6 teams. His problem is, D12 seems to leave each team in very bad terms.

Not the case here. Howard had a really good season, he was a force during the second half of the season. They traded him to get under the tax since there is no reason to pay tax if you're not going to make it through the playoffs. I fell kinda sad for him, he seemed to finally have found his place in the league.

I stand corrected. I was just reading that the locker room no longer wanted him. I guess this is a win for everyone in Charlotte then.

Turns out the Nets might not even want him. I heard that a buyout is in the works. Then Howard can go sign with any team he wants (that would have him).

Draft was interesting. Life came at Mikal Bridges FAST.... but that's the NBA.


Ball number 2 went undrafted.....a surprise to few, if any, other than his Dad.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: Nekov on June 22, 2018, 06:11:00 AM
That Bridges thing was heartbreaking. His mom was so excited that he was going to Philly..
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: contest_sanity on June 24, 2018, 11:57:54 AM
3peats are very difficult, but obvi the Warriors have the talent.

LBJ probably goes to LA, I guess, but who knows? Dream would be for both PG and Kawhi to join him, but that seems unlikely since the Spurs aren't going to set up the next Lakers dynasty... maybe if they get REALLY desperate, but that probably won't happen until the trade deadline.

As a Hawks fan, it hurt to trade Doncic, but here's hoping we were right to gamble on Trae Young... lol if our draft history is any indicator, though, we'll look back on this as another huge blunder like trading Bill Russell or failing to draft Chris Paul. If Doncic had to go elsewhere, though, I'm cool rooting for Dallas.

Dwight to the Cavs if LeBron stays could be interesting. He'd be a great fit on the Warriors if he would finally accept his proper role, but we've been saying that for the last 5 teams he's been on, lol... plus I think Durant hates him too.

Boston takes another step forward. It's probably their turn to rule the East unless Philly can sign a big free agent like LeBron or somehow orchestrate a Kawhi trade.

Also, for anybody with HBO, Bill Simmons' Courtside At The NBA Finals was a pretty interesting watch.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Dwight Howard seeking new teammates to hate him
Post by: bosk1 on June 29, 2018, 03:46:36 PM
Interesting read:  https://theundefeated.com/features/would-anyone-really-want-to-be-lebrons-newest-teammate/
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Dwight Howard seeking new teammates to hate him
Post by: Azyiu on June 29, 2018, 07:52:00 PM
Interesting read:  https://theundefeated.com/features/would-anyone-really-want-to-be-lebrons-newest-teammate/

In case you guys don't recall, I am NO LBJ fan, but my two cents here...

A) Irving said, “You’re being tested in the biggest stage in front of everyone, all the time..." That's just sounds like some weak minded talk to me. If you are good enough to play along side LBJ AND win, show me!

B) Teams that plan / want to sign LBJ would be in the WIN-NOW mode, and they will not care about development. So bringing up LBJ could / would hurt Simmons' development is slightly off focus. For long term, maybe, but if the Sixers do sign him; they want to win NOW! Worry about developing young guys later... although I am a firm believer in developing your young talents and building a team from the ground up.

That being said, as much as I hear about my Lakers going after LBJ, a part of me don't want him to be in a Lakers uniform. Win or lose, I love the young talents we have right now, and I sincerely do not want to lose either or both Kuz and Ingram. We will see what happen in the next days, I guess?  :hat
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Decision 3.0 coming up for the GOAT
Post by: KevShmev on June 29, 2018, 08:46:53 PM
I think the problem for a potential Spurs/Lakers trade is that the Lakers don't have any really good players, and if you are trading Leonard, you had better get at least one really good player (and more players and/or draft picks).  Sure, the Lakers have some young talent, but we have no idea how that talent will pan out.  And the Spurs reportedly want no part of Lonzo Ball, and considering his ass clown of a dad comes with him, why would you?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Decision 3.0 coming up for the GOAT
Post by: Azyiu on June 29, 2018, 08:50:31 PM
I think the problem for a potential Spurs/Lakers trade is that the Lakers don't have any really good players, and if you are trading Leonard, you had better get at least one really good player (and more players and/or draft picks).  Sure, the Lakers have some young talent, but we have no idea how that talent will pan out.  And the Spurs reportedly want no part of Lonzo Ball, and considering his ass clown of a dad comes with him, why would you?

I don't think Ball is ever in any of the rumored trade scenarios anyway. It will be a combination of Kuzma, Ingram, Randle, Josh Hart + 1st round pick(s).
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Can the Warriors 3-peat?
Post by: jammindude on June 29, 2018, 09:00:10 PM
3peats are very difficult, but obvi the Warriors have the talent.

LBJ probably goes to LA, I guess, but who knows? Dream would be for both PG and Kawhi to join him, but that seems unlikely since the Spurs aren't going to set up the next Lakers dynasty... maybe if they get REALLY desperate, but that probably won't happen until the trade deadline.

As a Hawks fan, it hurt to trade Doncic, but here's hoping we were right to gamble on Trae Young... lol if our draft history is any indicator, though, we'll look back on this as another huge blunder like trading Bill Russell or failing to draft Chris Paul. If Doncic had to go elsewhere, though, I'm cool rooting for Dallas.

Dwight to the Cavs if LeBron stays could be interesting. He'd be a great fit on the Warriors if he would finally accept his proper role, but we've been saying that for the last 5 teams he's been on, lol... plus I think Durant hates him too.

Boston takes another step forward. It's probably their turn to rule the East unless Philly can sign a big free agent like LeBron or somehow orchestrate a Kawhi trade.

Also, for anybody with HBO, Bill Simmons' Courtside At The NBA Finals was a pretty interesting watch.

I just saw a rumor that Boston wants Kawhi and probably has better things to trade with.    Kawhi might be more interested in going to LA....but when it comes right down to it, he will go to the team who can give the Spurs the best upside.    I just like that scenario because if Kawhi and LBJ both go to the Lakers, then the Western Conference Finals become the effective NBA finals, with whichever "lamb to the slaughter" the East wants to send to the sacrifice set up to be the next victim.      But if Kawhi goes to Boston there's that possibility that he takes that already young and talented club to the next level.   
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Decision 3.0 coming up for the GOAT
Post by: Azyiu on June 29, 2018, 11:17:55 PM
Slight off topic, but sort of related... one of my other hobbies is collecting 1:400 die-cast model planes. And I came across to this discontinued Air Canada Airbus A320, with the Raptors livery. That was the first A320 delivered to Air Canada in 1996.

(https://scontent.fhkg4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36371657_10156596371123453_7221460318168285184_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeESXlRz1KIm08Y3_GqMN9jcpiWcHWZGMVOcc9hORb17fB0DBDvd2AJeqMbLR0mOp17RgStI-3uBZ9bA5ltBwkWtrJ4fdE_o1oiGGh7e-Bf35Q&oh=2acabdb33c311202b88ceb7d33204f27&oe=5BE38923)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Decision 3.0 coming up for the GOAT
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 30, 2018, 06:08:17 AM
Slight off topic, but sort of related... one of my other hobbies is collecting 1:400 die-cast model planes. And I came across to this discontinued Air Canada Airbus A320, with the Raptors livery. That was the first A320 delivered to Air Canada in 1996.

(https://scontent.fhkg4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36371657_10156596371123453_7221460318168285184_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeESXlRz1KIm08Y3_GqMN9jcpiWcHWZGMVOcc9hORb17fB0DBDvd2AJeqMbLR0mOp17RgStI-3uBZ9bA5ltBwkWtrJ4fdE_o1oiGGh7e-Bf35Q&oh=2acabdb33c311202b88ceb7d33204f27&oe=5BE38923)

That's awesome.

And Boston should get out of the Leonard hunt. No sense in giving up any of their players or draft equity on what looks to be a one and done player.

And the Lakers should get out anyway. Let some other team give assets away and watch Leonard still sign with you as a FA in 2019. Exception of course is if you're building a super team and Daddy LeBron tells you that it hinges on Leonard's presence this year.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Decision 3.0 coming up for the GOAT
Post by: KevShmev on June 30, 2018, 07:12:21 AM
Agreed.  It wouldn't make sense for Boston to trade some of their talent for a 1-year rental, and the Spurs reportedly do not want Kyrie Irving (who likely leaves for the Knicks next summer once he is a free agent).
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Decision 3.0 coming up for the GOAT
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 01, 2018, 06:24:50 AM
Looks like Durant, Paul and George are staying put.

Will be interesting to see what LeBron decides at this point.

We've heard Cleveland, LA and Philly. And while he'd never do it, I think that Utah would be an incredible fit.

And how about the Mavericks getting ready to pay Jordan a few years after that fiasco. Would be nice to see Cuban return the favor.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Decision 3.0 coming up for the GOAT
Post by: KevShmev on July 01, 2018, 06:27:08 AM
It's hilarious that Paul George, whose hometown is LA, would rather stay in OKC with Russell Westbrook than play with the Lakers. :lol :lol

The Laker mystique is a thing of the past.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: King Postwhore on July 01, 2018, 06:33:53 AM
I agree but I also think George isn't worth that  contract.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: TAC on July 01, 2018, 06:45:59 AM
He sure as hell ain't.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: Azyiu on July 01, 2018, 07:25:06 AM
As a Lakers fan I actually don't mind us striking out, rather than breaking up our young core so soon. Getting Leonard would be nice, but from what I heard the Spurs are simply asking for too much, and who knows? Leonard could turn out to be another D12, lol!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: Ryzee on July 01, 2018, 08:24:04 AM
Paul George is from Palmdale.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: KevShmev on July 01, 2018, 08:30:22 AM
Palmdale is basically part of Los Angeles, but let's not get into semantics. ;)

And I agree that George is not worth the contract that he got, but OKC almost had to pay him in order to stay relevant.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: Ryzee on July 01, 2018, 08:33:06 AM
I promise you Palmdale is not part of LA.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: KevShmev on July 01, 2018, 08:34:39 AM
That's like saying O'Fallon is not a part of St. Louis.

Like I said, it is semantics.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: Azyiu on July 01, 2018, 08:36:30 AM
I promise you Palmdale is not part of LA.

...but it is in the Los Angeles County
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: Azyiu on July 01, 2018, 06:20:53 PM
Wow! LeBron is signing with my Lakers... didn't see it coming without first securing Kawhi or getting PG. I guess LBJ will at least make us fun to watch again. Best of all, our young core is still intact for now.

Welcome to LA abd Kobe's franchise, LeBron.  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: TAC on July 01, 2018, 06:23:42 PM
Did LaVar Ball approve of this?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: jammindude on July 01, 2018, 06:29:43 PM
Wow! LeBron is signing with my Lakers... didn't see it coming without first securing Kawhi or getting PG. I guess LBJ will at least make us fun to watch again. Best of all, our young core is still intact for now.

Welcome to LA abd Kobe's franchise, LeBron.  :lol

Source?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: TAC on July 01, 2018, 06:30:51 PM
ESPN Woj
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: Azyiu on July 01, 2018, 06:31:52 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23967725/lebron-james-joining-los-angeles-lakers-4-year-154-million-deal
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: King Postwhore on July 01, 2018, 06:37:34 PM
Thanks LeBron.

                          Signed,
                                        Kyrie Erving.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 01, 2018, 06:37:42 PM
Wow....should be interesting
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: faizoff on July 01, 2018, 06:38:21 PM
Crazy, are the Lakers a playoff caliber team currently? I guess with LeBron in the mix that question becomes redundant sort of. They definitely become a playoff team by default.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: Azyiu on July 01, 2018, 06:44:38 PM
For those of you who hated the Warriors / Cavs finals... the Cavs are guaranteed not making it back there in the near future  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: KevShmev on July 01, 2018, 06:50:37 PM
How disappointing.

I guess LeBron is done chasing titles.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: Azyiu on July 01, 2018, 06:52:33 PM
How disappointing.

I guess LeBron is done chasing titles.

Honestly, I think yes... I think at this point of his career, he just wants to be happy and provide the best for his kids. Which is studying in the best schools in the LA area.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: TAC on July 01, 2018, 06:57:36 PM
What's wrong with Harvard? :neverusethis:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: Azyiu on July 01, 2018, 07:10:41 PM
What's wrong with Harvard? :neverusethis:

Maybe LeBron wants Bronny to become a Big Balla at UCLA, lol!  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fans burning Paul George jerseys
Post by: TAC on July 01, 2018, 07:27:38 PM
Maybe now LiAngelo will finally get a job with the Lakers....





….taking Lebron's clothes to the dry cleaners and getting him his latte's.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Azyiu on July 01, 2018, 08:43:54 PM
Wow! LeBron's friends are starting to sign with the Lakers... Lance just agreed to a 1-year deal for who cares how much, lol!  :lol

Who knows? Maybe Lance will blow into LeBron's ears everyday and they become BFF...  :lol

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-lance-stephenson-agrees-deal-lakers-022639453.html (https://"https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-lance-stephenson-agrees-deal-lakers-022639453.html")

https://twitter.com/NOTSportsCenter/status/990649495514959872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1013611760107040775&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fnba (https://"https://twitter.com/NOTSportsCenter/status/990649495514959872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1013611760107040775&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fnba")
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: bosk1 on July 01, 2018, 10:16:58 PM
Can't believe the Warriors traded away McGee.  I guess the end of the dynasty is upon us earlier than anyone thought.   :'(
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Azyiu on July 01, 2018, 10:33:46 PM
In all seriousness, I think keeping both Looney and Bell is a right move for the Dubs. After all, McGee wasn't really in the rotation until toward the WCF. I don't think he was a part of their future plans anyway.  As I've said it since during the pre-season, Bell is a surprising steal. As long as he keeps developing, he will soon crack the starting lineup and be a very reliable 4 (or a part-time 3 or 5). He is like the most athletic guy with power on the team for crying out loud.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Lonk on July 02, 2018, 05:38:07 AM
At least we will have a new East finalist next year.

I wonder how the Lebron and Lonzo combo will work and how is daddy ball reacting to this.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 02, 2018, 06:18:07 AM
I would rather see a young Lakers team and LeBron than Kawhi + LeBron and no one else. I think the Lakers should see how things go this year, then sign either Kawhi or Davis next summer.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Azyiu on July 02, 2018, 06:22:03 AM
I would rather see a young Lakers team and LeBron then Kawhi + LeBron and no one else. I think the Lakers should see how things go this year, then sign either Kawhi or Davis next summer.

My thoughts exactly. LeBron is signed to a full 4 years. As far as I understand, there is no option in that 4th years. In other words, LeBron is giving the Lakers time to build a championship team. Plus, we can sign Leonard out right next summer if we just be patient and wait. So I see no point in rushing it to get him now.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 02, 2018, 10:31:18 AM
This is pretty cool.

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If fans bought a Cavaliers LeBron jersey in the last 90 days, Fanatics has a Jersey Assurance program that enables consumers to exchange, free of charge, a James Cavaliers jersey for either a James Lakers jersey or a new jersey of a player on the Cavaliers.


https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23974327/orders-lebron-james-lakers-jerseys-spike
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: bosk1 on July 02, 2018, 10:36:16 AM
That is a pretty cool policy.  But I have to think that most people that bought a jersey in the last 90 days had to have known that he might likely leave and that they didn't care.  The fact that he is no longer a Cav sort of makes a LeBron Cavs jersey even more special as a snapshot in time.  But I agree with you that it is a cool policy nonetheless.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 02, 2018, 11:38:23 AM
I would rather see a young Lakers team and LeBron then Kawhi + LeBron and no one else. I think the Lakers should see how things go this year, then sign either Kawhi or Davis next summer.

My thoughts exactly. LeBron is signed to a full 4 years. As far as I understand, there is no option in that 4th years. In other words, LeBron is giving the Lakers time to build a championship team. Plus, we can sign Leonard out right next summer if we just be patient and wait. So I see no point in rushing it to get him now.

Yea, the more I think about it, the more convinced I become that trading for Leonard right now would be a mistake. Who is to say he will even be the same player? And I still don't think the Lakers beat the Warriors. Just wait a season, see what the young guys bring to the table, and then go crazy next summer.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: pg1067 on July 02, 2018, 03:39:00 PM
At least this way, Lebron will get a longer off-season since his team will be eliminated well before the NBA Finals.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: bosk1 on July 02, 2018, 03:52:51 PM
Here's an interesting question:  When LeBron is ultimately inducted into the NBA HoF, would he likely go in as a Cav, a Heat player, or a Laker?  I mean, if he retired at the end of next season, say, I think the obvious answer is as a Cav.  But I think he still has quite a few years left, and if I had to guess, I would say he stays a Laker until he retires.  But what he if stays in LA for 5 years or more?  Not unprecedented.  Jabbar played 20 years.  Parish and KG played 21.  LeBron appears to be in great physical shape, so he COULD play another 5 to tie Jabbar, or go even longer and break Parish's and KG's records.  And what if he wins a title in that time?  What if he wins 2 (the most he has won with a single team) or even 3?  Does he go in as a Laker?  It's hard to picture him being identified that closely with the Lakers right now.  But 5 years down the road, especially if he brings a ring or three to the table, we may look at things differently.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: DragonAttack on July 02, 2018, 04:07:03 PM
I'm just glad there wasn't the hokey circus of years past surrounding his move.  His home is in LA, it makes so much sense for family, etc.
Perhaps the Lakers make the playoffs next year.  If so, they might make it to the conference semi-finals, based on his well documented successes in the post season.

(Golden State-Boston next year, anyone?)

Best guess....I'd see him go in as a Cav, considering his Akron roots and what he brought to Cleveland.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: bosk1 on July 02, 2018, 04:14:03 PM
I would assume he could lead a team to the playoffs.  Not sure how far they would go.  But with GSW and Houston as the presumptive #1 and #2 seeds, I don't see the Lakers making it past the second round, barring some injuries or other unforeseen circumstance.  The following year, if they are able to add a bit more talent (which I would assume would be the case), different story.  I'm hoping and pretty much expecting the Warriors to consummate the 3-peat next year.  After that, I think they have to start thinning the roster a bit due to cap space and contract issues, so we could see a leveling off and dropoff, where other teams should find it easier to move in.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Lonk on July 02, 2018, 04:24:38 PM
They are still making moves. Adding Rondo is interesting since he is a more talented and experienced Lonzo. Either Rondo agreed to lead the bench or Lonzo is gone in a trade.

Them letting go of Randle is a bad move as he would have been a good asset to the team. I would say by the end of the week they will sign another 10-15 million/year player, or make a trade in a few weeks for one.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: bosk1 on July 02, 2018, 04:33:46 PM
Interesting.  Hadn't yet seen the Rondo move.  I am REALLY curious to see how that works out.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: King Postwhore on July 02, 2018, 06:49:07 PM
Bosk1.  You should see who your boys just picked up on a 1 year deal.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Lonk on July 02, 2018, 07:23:47 PM
That is ridiculous, I get he is still injured and what not but once he comes back (January to Feb?) GSW should win out the season, break the win streak record and have a perfect playoff run 16-0.

I’m still gonna watch games, and probably go to a game or two(go Knicks) because I’m a basketball fan before and NBA fan but anyone watching to see the champion has no reason to do so.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Azyiu on July 02, 2018, 09:17:36 PM
They are still making moves. Adding Rondo is interesting since he is a more talented and experienced Lonzo. Either Rondo agreed to lead the bench or Lonzo is gone in a trade.

Them letting go of Randle is a bad move as he would have been a good asset to the team. I would say by the end of the week they will sign another 10-15 million/year player, or make a trade in a few weeks for one.

Getting Rondo feels weird. A former Celtic, a guy we've battled hard against in the Finals in 2008 and 2010... it is Don Nelson coaching the Knicks kind of weird... hope things work out. I don't think Lonzo will be traded because of this signing. Lonzo will definitely learn from both LeBron and Rondo though. He has high basketball IQ, and I expect him to improve his shooting somewhat. He will be good.

As for Randle, he doesn't want to be in LA and asked to be renounced. He is such a ball dominate post guy, I bet he thinks he can do better in New Orleans next to AD. That being said, under sized and all,  Randle comes to play every night. It is a good signing for the Pels. His main problem is, he can't seem to develop a good pick & roll game with us in LA, and he was even less effective as a screener than Lopez last season. Jrue Holiday's job has just become so much harder.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: bosk1 on July 02, 2018, 09:35:40 PM
Bosk1.  You should see who your boys just picked up on a 1 year deal.

Oh, wow.  Not sure what to think.  Between the injury and his style being very different than how the Warriors play, I'm not sure about this.  But his talent is undeniable, and if he can be a fraction of his old self when he is able to play next season, he can add a lot.

Getting Rondo feels weird.
I'm actually kind of happy about this.  I kind of liked him when he first came to the Celtics.  Then the more I watched him, the more I soured on his REALLY dirty play.  So him going to the Lakers is great.  All the more reason to root against the Lakers, which just feel SO right.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Nekov on July 03, 2018, 06:30:00 AM
The NBA is clearly broken at this point, it's ridiculous that 1 team can have 5 all stars in it's lineup. Still, this is all the players fault, they were the ones who pushed for the cap spike that generated the issues in the first place, they are the ones who stopped wanting to compete and are whoring out just to get a ring. It's a win the easiest way possible now. I remember a couple years back when Durant joined the Warriors, Chuck said that back in the day teams wanted to go out and compete against the best, not join them. These new crop of players know that they can play for max contracts a couple of years, live comfortably their whole life and then just chase hardware without having to compete much. It's such a shame.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 03, 2018, 07:02:46 AM
The NBA is clearly broken at this point, it's ridiculous that 1 team can have 5 all stars in it's lineup. Still, this is all the players fault, they were the ones who pushed for the cap spike that generated the issues in the first place, they are the ones who stopped wanting to compete and are whoring out just to get a ring. It's a win the easiest way possible now. I remember a couple years back when Durant joined the Warriors, Chuck said that back in the day teams wanted to go out and compete against the best, not join them. These new crop of players know that they can play for max contracts a couple of years, live comfortably their whole life and then just chase hardware without having to compete much. It's such a shame.

I can see why the players wanted this. The superstars can align and compete for championships... while guys who would typically be role players can get MAX deals playing in the outskirts.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 03, 2018, 07:25:57 AM
And Boogie is a genius. He's like an 8 year guy who's never played in the playoffs. This deal pretty much guarantees that will change.

Plus, with being on this team, he will be under no pressure to rush back to help his team make the playoffs. He does seem to have a lengthy recovery yet.

Then, next year, with likely a ring in tow... he can go practically wherever he wants and make STUPID money.


On another note, watched the Greek Freak (easier to type than his actual name), on the Herd yesterday, and Colin was asking him what he thought of the superstars moving and such... he said he plans on staying in Milwaukee his whole career... he's a low key guy and he loves it there.  Hope for Buck fans that he doesn't have a change of heart. But refreshing to hear, none the less
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: bosk1 on July 03, 2018, 09:21:51 AM
The NBA is clearly broken at this point, it's ridiculous that 1 team can have 5 all stars in it's lineup. . . . It's such a shame.

No, it's really not.  It's awesome to see so much talent come together and the players having a great time.  For fans that care to watch it with an open mind, it's a lot of very contagious fun, in this fan's opinion.  And, yes, I was singing the same tune long before the present Warriors dynasty came to be.  I have zero problem with this.

As far as this specific move, I LOVE it for several reasons.

First off, I love the way it came together, now that some of the facts were out.  Apparently, Cousins was talking to his agent after being notified by phone that the Pelicans were cutting him.  The two of them decided to cold-call the Warriors just to see if there was any interest, knowing that it would likely be for the veteran's minimum.  So he cold-called Bob Myers, who cannot talk yet according to league rules, but was likely completely floored by getting a call out of the blue by an all-star in a position the Warriors need, wanting to sign on for a minimum deal.  Myers got his people to put together the deal IMMEDIATELY.  And there you have it.  As I heard someone say on radio this morning, "the rest of the league just got light-yeared."

Second, ALL the buzz yesterday was about LeBron and the Lakers and the moves they were making to become a contender.  Within hours, NOBODY is talking Lakers.  :lol  (yeah, I love to hate the Lakers)

Third, I hadn't really followed his career and realized that he played with the other 4 Warriors starters on Team USA, and that they apparently blended seamlessly.  So, apparently, any misgivings about having him fit the system once he is healed are misplaced.  He should fit in just fine.

Fourth, the rest of the league grousing about it is laughable.  ANY team could have gone out and gotten him.  He wanted the Warriors.  They didn't hesitate and pulled the trigger like true bosses.  What's to hate, unless you just resent others being better than you?

Fifth, Houston got worse and the Warriors got better.

EDIT:  Okay, not ALL the league is bent about it.  This is awesome:

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Wouldn't be surprised if I see
 BREAKING: Warriors just signed Thanos and John Wick to add to their bench for one year. Lol

- Enes Kanter (@Enes_Kanter) July 3, 2018

:lol Lovin' it.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: pg1067 on July 03, 2018, 10:31:21 AM
Here's an interesting question:  When LeBron is ultimately inducted into the NBA HoF, would he likely go in as a Cav, a Heat player, or a Laker?

This sort of question is only relevant to Major League Baseball players.  Basketball, hockey and football players do not "go in as a" member of any particular team.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: bosk1 on July 03, 2018, 10:33:15 AM
Oh, really?  I guess I didn't realize that.  Wow.  Contrary to what my wife says, I guess I don't know it all.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Nekov on July 03, 2018, 10:46:38 AM
Sorry Bosk but it is not awesome. The last couple of years were all about Warriors vs Cavs, now it's not even that. The competitive balance is the league is virtually non-existent. Silver doesn't want teams tanking but what are the Nets/grizzlies/hawks supposed to do, try to compete against that? How many teams can realistically pose a threat to that team? Boston maybe? And only because the East playoffs will be as easy as stealing candy from a kid. Where does this end? Eventually having 3/4 teams that have all the supestars and a bunch of sparrings that will be there just to take punches?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: bosk1 on July 03, 2018, 10:52:35 AM
I fail to see how any of what you just said is bad.  There is no rule ANYWHERE that says that sports is only good or entertaining if X number of teams can "pose a threat to [whatever the best team is]."  If some fans can only be entertained by mediocrity that ensures that a large number of teams have a fighting chance, then that isn't the league's fault. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: pg1067 on July 03, 2018, 11:37:25 AM
Oh, really?  I guess I didn't realize that.  Wow.  Contrary to what my wife says, I guess I don't know it all.   :biggrin:

Keep in mind that, when someone says "so-and-so baseball player is going into the Hall of Fame as a [singularized name of team]," all it really means is that the player's plaque depicts him wearing that team's cap.  The plaque still mentions all of the teams for which the player played and is otherwise generally team neutral (except to the extent that it mentions an accomplishment unique to one particular team).

(https://www.baseball-almanac.com/images/Goose_Gossage-Hall-of-Fame-Plaque.png)

In all of the other sports, the depictions of the players (whether on a plaque or a bust) are without headwear
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 03, 2018, 11:45:45 AM
If memory serves, the NBA has been making more money and registering better television ratings for a few years in a row. The overall product is doing well. However, there is meaningful grumpiness over how stacked the Warriors are. I think that the league will move toward a hard cap in the future to prevent a super team like this from forming again.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: bosk1 on July 03, 2018, 11:54:00 AM
I think that the league will move toward a hard cap in the future to prevent a super team like this from forming again.

I think you are likely correct.  And I find that disappointing.  Again, so what if a team is stacked?  If that bothers other teams, they should work hard to become stacked as well.

But on the flipside of what the league will likely do, I don't think they actually need to do much.  It's hard to truly build a team like the Warriors.  Their original core of Curry, Thompson, and Green came home-grown through the draft.  There's no way to legislate against that, and I don't think anyone in their right mind should argue that the league should.  The Durant acquisition was achieved through a fluke that allowed several factors to all converge in a very limited window of time where a loophole opened and then shut.  There is VERY little likelihood of that ever happening again the way things are structured.  And then the Cousins acquisition--again, a fluke that can't really be guarded against.  He would be set to receive a HUGE contract this season.  But he suffered an unforeseen injury, his team cut him, and he was willing to take a HUGE pay cut to go to this team that you would almost never see of someone in his situation.  A cap can't guard against that.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 03, 2018, 12:59:40 PM
I think that the league will move toward a hard cap in the future to prevent a super team like this from forming again.
I think you are likely correct.  And I find that disappointing.  Again, so what if a team is stacked?  If that bothers other teams, they should work hard to become stacked as well.
While I think that the Warriors have been very lucky in all this, I also think they have been incredibly smart. I feel bad penalizing them for their success, especially when you have teams like the Lakers making horrible signings left and right. But at the end of the day, I would be more entertained by an NBA that doesn't have such an indestructible team.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: bosk1 on July 03, 2018, 01:17:22 PM
While I think that the Warriors have been very lucky in all this, I also think they have been incredibly smart. I feel bad penalizing them for their success, especially when you have teams like the Lakers making horrible signings left and right.
I agree, and I would stand by such an assessment whether I loved, hated, or was indifferent toward the team in question. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Nekov on July 03, 2018, 01:30:05 PM
I fail to see how any of what you just said is bad.  There is no rule ANYWHERE that says that sports is only good or entertaining if X number of teams can "pose a threat to [whatever the best team is]."  If some fans can only be entertained by mediocrity that ensures that a large number of teams have a fighting chance, then that isn't the league's fault.

I know there isn't a rule anywhere that says it's bad (such a lawyer response) and as TOX points out, the league has been doing great financially, mostly because they signed that massive TV deal a couple years back. The issue is that if fans feel like their team has nothing to compete for or can't display good basketball they might be more reluctant to spend money on the product. The NBA as a whole is a product, it's 30 teams competing, not just one. If one team which accounts for a relatively small fanbase compared to the whole NBA is the only one with options it will eventually hurt the overall product.


Regarding the hard cap, I was reading some reporting saying that it's very hard to move to a hard cap the way things are without losing a lot of money in the process. And besides that, the CBA was signed last year so rules can't be modified until 2022, so don't expect anything to change any time soon.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Dream Team on July 03, 2018, 02:08:03 PM
From NBC Sports: Browns Must Fill Gap After LeBron’s Departure

You mean the 1-31 Browns of the last 2 years? The Cleveland Indians have won their division the last several years, have been to the World Series, are going to win their division again this year and are loaded for a deep playoff run. Clueless assholes at NBC.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: bosk1 on July 03, 2018, 02:17:40 PM
such a lawyer response

I don't see the need for that.  I said it because I think it is a correct response.  If you think I'm attacking you, or being pedantic, I'm not.  I just strongly disagree that what you are saying makes for a "bad product."  I think that allowing teams and players to make whatever decisions are necessary to improve themselves to whatever degree possible is a good thing, even if that means a practical reality that few teams are competitive come championship time.  I don't like a product where parity is artificially imposed and you are basically, in effect, handing out "participation trophies" and giving everyone a chance.  More importantly, I don't think that that is a better product.  I think it is a worse one.  If you disagree, that's cool.  But I'm still free to tell you why I think that's a bad model.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: King Postwhore on July 03, 2018, 02:22:52 PM
I would say people's responses are upset because let's look at the past models.  It for the most part been 3 All Stars to form a championship.  Then the Warriors add the second best player in the league and now have 4 All stars.  Add Boogie and now have 5 perennial All stars.  That's what other team's fans feel, anger.


I, for one look forward to the challenge only because the team I follow will be damn good.  I'm in the minority.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: bosk1 on July 03, 2018, 03:02:57 PM
I would say people's responses are upset because let's look at the past models.  It for the most part been 3 All Stars to form a championship.  Then the Warriors add the second best player in the league and now have 4 All stars.  Add Boogie and now have 5 perennial All stars.  That's what other team's fans feel, anger.

No, I understand that.  That is exactly what I was addressing in saying "so what?"  That doesn't make for a "bad product."
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: King Postwhore on July 03, 2018, 03:22:18 PM
I look forward to our games to see how we size up to the champs.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: bosk1 on July 03, 2018, 03:24:28 PM
Same here.  I was bummed they didn't make the finals, notwithstanding liking the poetic justice of seeing LeBron get beaten by the same team year in and year out.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 03, 2018, 03:27:29 PM
From NBC Sports: Browns Must Fill Gap After LeBron’s Departure

You mean the 1-31 Browns of the last 2 years? The Cleveland Indians have won their division the last several years, have been to the World Series, are going to win their division again this year and are loaded for a deep playoff run. Clueless assholes at NBC.

They're actually spot on. The Browns returning to Championship contenders and actually winning another championship would completely overshadow anyting that the Cavs or Indians could do. The Browns are the most beloved of their teams by far.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: KevShmev on July 03, 2018, 05:17:25 PM
The NBA is clearly broken at this point, it's ridiculous that 1 team can have 5 all stars in it's lineup. Still, this is all the players fault, they were the ones who pushed for the cap spike that generated the issues in the first place, they are the ones who stopped wanting to compete and are whoring out just to get a ring. It's a win the easiest way possible now. I remember a couple years back when Durant joined the Warriors, Chuck said that back in the day teams wanted to go out and compete against the best, not join them. These new crop of players know that they can play for max contracts a couple of years, live comfortably their whole life and then just chase hardware without having to compete much. It's such a shame.

While I agree that far too many players nowadays want to take the path of least resistance (see: Kevin Durant), the NBA has always been top heavy where there are only a handful of team with a realistic shot of winning it all.  If you want excitement where the quality of play is great and a crap load of teams can actually win it, then join the rest of us in watching the NHL. :)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Lonk on July 06, 2018, 12:30:59 PM
Thunder to part ways with Melo...interesting

So he still gets his money and can sign for a 10-15 mil a year with someone else. I hope is not the lakers or back to the Knicks.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Accelerando on July 06, 2018, 01:56:44 PM
Tony Parker to Charlotte....I don't know what to say...I don't know if this is because of the Kawhi drama or because Dejounte Murray is our starting PG...

He's is on the Mt. Rushmore of the Spurs organization. Parker was a tremendous part of the Spurs success the past 20 years. Came into the league when he was 19, and quickly became one of the best point guards in the league. His tear drop was legendary. One of the best foreign players to play the game. He may end his career as a Hornet, but his jersey will hang in the rafters in San Antonio.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Azyiu on July 06, 2018, 07:29:09 PM
Wow! I thought it would be a slow day in free agency... but when I woke up TP is moving to the Hornets, and Melo will soon become a FA or be traded for cost saving purposes? This off season has been full of surprises.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Accelerando on July 09, 2018, 01:57:16 AM
Meanwhile, all my friends back in Orlando are poking their hometown team with a stick, trying to get it to do something...
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Lonk on July 09, 2018, 05:16:42 AM
Meanwhile, all my friends back in Orlando are poking their hometown team with a stick, trying to get it to do something...

I don’t know which organization is worse right now, Knicks or Magic. The Knicks didn’t even try to adquire anyone.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: bosk1 on July 09, 2018, 09:04:13 AM
Tony Parker to Charlotte....I don't know what to say...I don't know if this is because of the Kawhi drama or because Dejounte Murray is our starting PG...

He's is on the Mt. Rushmore of the Spurs organization. Parker was a tremendous part of the Spurs success the past 20 years. Came into the league when he was 19, and quickly became one of the best point guards in the league. His tear drop was legendary. One of the best foreign players to play the game. He may end his career as a Hornet, but his jersey will hang in the rafters in San Antonio.
I'm sad for the SA fan base.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Podaar on July 12, 2018, 05:37:57 AM
Tony Parker to Charlotte....I don't know what to say...I don't know if this is because of the Kawhi drama or because Dejounte Murray is our starting PG...

He's is on the Mt. Rushmore of the Spurs organization. Parker was a tremendous part of the Spurs success the past 20 years. Came into the league when he was 19, and quickly became one of the best point guards in the league. His tear drop was legendary. One of the best foreign players to play the game. He may end his career as a Hornet, but his jersey will hang in the rafters in San Antonio.
I'm sad for the SA fan base.

No doubt. It's just like if Karl Malone would have gone to the (hated/stinking) Lakers or something for his last year! Oh, wait.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Lonk on July 12, 2018, 06:25:50 AM
I’ve never been a huge fan of SA, but I started really disliking the team when I saw Duncan laughing at Howard during a 2013 playoff game.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: King Postwhore on July 12, 2018, 06:38:13 AM
I don't know how you could hate Duncan.  The man is a class act.  On the court, man talk smack all the time and if there is one guy to mock it's Howard.  The man is soft with all the potential in the world wasted.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 12, 2018, 07:27:23 AM
I don't know how you could hate Duncan.  The man is a class act.  On the court, man talk smack all the time and if there is one guy to mock it's Howard.  The man is soft with all the potential in the world wasted.

Yeah I'm with you there. Don't get that take at all.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Lonk on July 12, 2018, 04:05:25 PM
I know he’s loved by many and one of the greatest PF of all time, I respect his game and SA as an organization. But i don’t know why, just don’t like the team.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: King Postwhore on July 12, 2018, 04:40:40 PM
I think it's like me and the Yankees.  I hate them but I've always admired Joe Torre & Derek Jeter.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Azyiu on July 12, 2018, 07:13:57 PM
I don't know how you could hate Duncan.  The man is a class act.  On the court, man talk smack all the time and if there is one guy to mock it's Howard.  The man is soft with all the potential in the world wasted.

I am with you there x 2  :lol

As a Lakers fan, we have had a ton of playoffs battles against the Spurs over the years. And I have to say, I've come to respect Pop and their management a lot!  :tup
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Samsara on July 16, 2018, 02:44:32 PM
I'm really curious to see what the Wolves do. As expected, Butler turned down his extension (which makes total sense). But the rumblings about him not wanting to potentially play with Towns and Wiggins...could be trouble. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire. Frankly, I wouldn't want the Wolves to start the season with Butler on the roster if they were pretty sure he'd be bolting. I could see him and Kyrie going to the Knicks (which again, as the Knicks are my hometown team and #2 rooting interest, wouldn't be so bad) to play with KP and Knox. That would be crazy.

But for the Wolves, I think they may need to think about seeing who they can shake loose for Butler NOW, considering Towns and Wiggins are that team's future. I love Butler, but there were rumors he became a bit of a PITA in Chicago, and that he brought that attitude into Minnesota. Great player, hustles, and gives 100 percent. But if he can't get along with the team's cornerstones, he needs to go, as much as I like him.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Azyiu on July 18, 2018, 03:21:37 AM
This is interesting... Leonard and DeRozen could be trading places soon.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24126943/san-antonio-spurs-toronto-raptors-finalizing-deal-involving-kawhi-leonard-demar-derozan (https://"https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24126943/san-antonio-spurs-toronto-raptors-finalizing-deal-involving-kawhi-leonard-demar-derozan")
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Lonk on July 18, 2018, 05:22:34 AM
I just saw that SA and Raptors are finalizing the deal, not sure what to think. Kwahi asked for sunny LA and got wintery Canada.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Azyiu on July 18, 2018, 05:38:02 AM
I can understand why the Raptors decided to do it. They have this same team for 4 years, and all 4 years they failed in the playoffs. Even without LBJ in the east, there is gaurantee this year will be any different... so they take a gamble, I think. A huge gamble I must add. New coach, a star player in the final year of his deal in a new city. We will see what happen.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 18, 2018, 06:03:24 AM
Who the hell is running the Raptors? First they fire their coach, now they may trade their super loyal all star for someone who in all likelihood is a one year rental?

Raptors are about to crash and burn big time. Feel bad for the fans.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 18, 2018, 06:11:11 AM
As a Raptors fan, this is a "heart versus head" situation for me. My heart doesn't want it to happen because Demar is the most loyal Raptor of all-time. My head is fine with it because the Raptors need to do something. I feel spoiled when I say this, but winning 50 games every year only to lose in the second round of the playoffs is getting old. Kawhi gives us a legitimate Finals chance, even if it's only for one year.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learning the words to "O Canada"
Post by: KevShmev on July 18, 2018, 06:24:49 AM
Word on the street is that Leonard doesn't want to play in Toronto, so this is a major gamble by the Raptors.

Or will they turn around and trade him to LA?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learning the words to "O Canada"
Post by: jingle.boy on July 18, 2018, 08:38:10 AM
Word on the street is that Leonard doesn't want to play in Toronto, so this is a major gamble by the Raptors.

Or will they turn around and trade him to LA?

For who ... that would give them an immediate return (ie, within 2 years)?

On paper, Leonard can be more of a difference maker than DDR.  But he could also be a cancer.  This is indeed a gamble - but I'm with TOX... doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the age old definition of insanity.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 18, 2018, 09:01:29 AM
And bravo to the Spurs for making the absolute best of a bad situation. They got a great return for Leonard all things considered. Truly a great organization.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: bosk1 on July 18, 2018, 09:09:52 AM
And bravo to the Spurs for making the absolute best of a bad situation. They got a great return for Leonard all things considered. Truly a great organization.

Speaking of "cancer"...I have no idea how any could call an organization that would have Tim Duncan as part of it "truly great."   :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn  I mean, maybe they are "great" for finally moving on from that piece of trash.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Indiscipline on July 18, 2018, 09:30:44 AM
Popovich is the devil. Dissatisfied star dreams California and he sends him to Winterfell.

I'm afraid the Raptors are either renting or risking to go through the Vince Carter experience all over again.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 18, 2018, 10:33:57 AM
This is example A, B, and C of why players should just do what's best for them. Teams view their players as assets and will trade them without hesitation, no matter who they are. If the Raptors actually told Demar that he wouldn't be traded, only to then trade him... Damn. That's cold. I feel for the guy.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: T-ski on July 18, 2018, 12:01:43 PM
the Raptors just rid themselves of a non-efficient chucker with a bad contract who really didn't move the needle.  Moving Poeltl and the 1st shouldn't affect them to much.  If Kawhi plays its a big win.

don't understand the Spurs side of it.  If thats the best deal they could get they didn't try hard enough.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Samsara on July 18, 2018, 01:22:12 PM
As a Raptors fan, this is a "heart versus head" situation for me. My heart doesn't want it to happen because Demar is the most loyal Raptor of all-time. My head is fine with it because the Raptors need to do something. I feel spoiled when I say this, but winning 50 games every year only to lose in the second round of the playoffs is getting old. Kawhi gives us a legitimate Finals chance, even if it's only for one year.

They did need to do SOMETHING. But this isn't it. Kawhi is going to either sit out the year, or simply walk. No amount of charisma from your GM, or the fan base, is going to convince him to stay. This was a very bad move by your GM (I can't spell his last name off the top of my head), and I'm shocked he went this route. DeRozan is one of my favorite players in the league, and as noted by all, extremely loyal, and works hard. The least they could have done, the very least, was told him the truth about their desire to trade him. But instead, at least according to reports, they lied to him, and then dumped him like trash.

That shit's wrong. Business is business, but you can conduct it with class. Toronto's leadership obviously didn't get the memo. I hope DeRozan tears up the Raptors next season big time, and he will, and he'll stay classy while doing it.

As for Kawhi, dude is hard to read. He's quiet, but his quiet nature is now making him look like a primadonna. No one really knows, outside of his friends and teammates, what kind of a dude he really is. All I know is, looking from the outside, he looks like an absolute ass clown. A spoiled came from nothing, but now is a superstar. And that may be totally off base, and I really hope it is, but that's what he looks like.

I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if he does indeed show up at Team USA, do his workouts, show he is healthy, and then sit out the year and incur the fines (which would entail his entire 20.1 million salary), and then sign with the Lakers for the max (and a full year off) next off season. But man, dude just looks like a douche right now, and if it's not him, and he's listening to people, it is time to get those people out of his life.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Samsara on July 18, 2018, 01:25:37 PM
the Raptors just rid themselves of a non-efficient chucker with a bad contract who really didn't move the needle.  Moving Poeltl and the 1st shouldn't affect them to much.  If Kawhi plays its a big win.

don't understand the Spurs side of it.  If thats the best deal they could get they didn't try hard enough.

Disagree. DeRozen is much more than that, who has two years left on his deal. Gives the Spurs a top scorer to compliment Aldridge, and the ability to either re-sign or trade him after this season, and get some value out of him. Everyone knew Kawhi was going to walk. So the Spurs got what they could, and did themselves a favor. I think it was a very good move by the Spurs. Is DeRozan a complete player? No, of course Leonard is the best two-way player in the league when healthy. But DeRozan is just as, if not a tad better, a scorer, and unlike Leonard doesn't have significant injury history.

Big win for the Spurs.

I feel horrible for the Toronto Raptors fan base. First Vince and T-Mac, now DeRozan. Sorry TOX and others. This really sucks right now.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 18, 2018, 02:40:18 PM
At first, I didn't know that Demar had been promised he would remain with the Raptors. Can't believe Mesai was so classless. We'll see how the basketball side turns out, but the "human decency" side failed. Obviously we need to put things in perspective - Demar is a millionaire who just got traded to one of the best organizations in sports - but the whole thing is still uncool.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. LeBron goes west
Post by: Azyiu on July 18, 2018, 06:46:59 PM
I feel horrible for the Toronto Raptors fan base. First Vince and T-Mac, now DeRozan. Sorry TOX and others. This really sucks right now.

What? No love for Bosh? Lol!  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: Accelerando on July 18, 2018, 10:26:47 PM
The Spurs turned an impossible situation into lemonade. I will always thank Kawhi for his years and talents he brought to the team....this season, though, I lost respect for him. He seemed like the second coming of David Robinson with his off court integrity, but he showed his true colors. A bonafied diva. Good luck in Toronto, Kawhi.

I’m more sad about Danny Green being part of that trade. He is a great defensive player, and when he’s on fire, he has one of the prettiest 3 shot in the game. The 2013 Finals against the Heat, he set a Finals record for most 3pointers made. He had the heart of a Spur, and when Toronto plays in San Antonio next year, Spurs fans will give him a standing ovation, not Kawhi.

Yes.. im incredibly spiteful and angry towards Kawhi.

I’m very excited for DeMar DeRozan joining the Spurs, even though it wasnt what he wanted. But I have a feeling that unlike Kawhi, he wont give up on his team. I’m excited to see him and Aldridge play together.

Most of all, im happy the Kawhi drama is over. And that he got traded to a team he didnt want to go to. Bet he sits out and rakes in the money like he did to us this year.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: Azyiu on July 18, 2018, 10:30:05 PM
The Spurs turned an impossible situation into lemonade. I will always thank Kawhi for his years and talents he brought to the team....this season, though, I lost respect for him. He seemed like the second coming of David Robinson with his off court integrity, but he showed his true colors. A bonafied diva. Good luck in Toronto, Kawhi.

I’m more sad about Danny Green being part of that trade. He is a great defensive player, and when he’s on fire, he has one of the prettiest 3 shot in the game. The 2013 Finals against the Heat, he set a Finals record for most 3pointers made. He had the heart of a Spur, and when Toronto plays in San Antonio next year, Spurs fans will give him a standing ovation, not Kawhi.

Yes.. im incredibly spiteful and angry towards Kawhi.

I’m very excited for DeMar DeRozan joining the Spurs, even though it wasnt what he wanted. But I have a feeling that unlike Kawhi, he wont give up on his team. I’m excited to see him and Aldridge play together.

Most of all, im happy the Kawhi drama is over. And that he got traded to a team he didnt want to go to. Bet he sits out and rakes in the money like he did to us this year.

I will always remember Kawhi for those missed FTs in the final 28 seconds or so in Game 6 of the 2013 Finals...  :biggrin:

DeRozan just can't get far away enough from LeBron...  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: Accelerando on July 18, 2018, 10:51:35 PM
Way to remind me that we would have had 6 Championships if it werent for that motherfucker lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: Lonk on July 20, 2018, 04:46:40 AM
I hope Melo redeems himself this year. His career is declining faster than Rose’s career and maybe playing for the rockets or the heat he can be a little more efficient.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: KevShmev on July 20, 2018, 06:26:49 AM
Carmelo is similar to Dwight Howard in this regard: both have the stats and numbers where you look at it and think, "He is a Hall of Famer," but it's almost laughable to think that either is.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: King Postwhore on July 20, 2018, 06:39:12 AM
Carmelo is similar to Dwight Howard in this regard: both have the stats and numbers where you look at it and think, "He is a Hall of Famer," but it's almost laughable to think that either is.

I feel the same way.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: Azyiu on July 20, 2018, 06:43:57 AM
No, I don't feel the same way... while their numbers may look similar, but Melo is definitely a more well liked guy then D12 on or off the court. People don't seem to miss him on every team D12 left, but you can still hear players talking about Melo's good even after he is no longer with the Knicks.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: King Postwhore on July 20, 2018, 06:47:28 AM
I don't listen to the players.  I look at the teams he is on and while he produced, he never elivated other's game.  Great players do that or carry teams (Ala: LeBron) .  Melo has never done that.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: Azyiu on July 20, 2018, 06:52:42 AM
I don't listen to the players.  I look at the teams he is on and while he produced, he never elivated other's game.  Great players do that or carry teams (Ala: LeBron) .  Melo has never done that.

In all fairness, he was kind of carrying those terrible Nuggets teams early in his career. He even single-handedly brought them to the 2009 WCF... but he quickly flames out afterward...  :facepalm:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: King Postwhore on July 20, 2018, 07:28:55 AM
Carried them to what?  They had one season in Denver where he played 16 games in the playoffs.  All other seasons it was 4 or 5 games and done.  That's not carrying a team.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: Azyiu on July 20, 2018, 07:41:13 AM
Carried them to what?  They had one season in Denver where he played 16 games in the playoffs.  All other seasons it was 4 or 5 games and done.  That's not carrying a team.

Carrying them to the playoffs and managed to win 50 or more games for a few seasons in a very competitive western conference. Look, he played with a much older AI, washed up Nene, Chris Anderson, K-Mart and the like... I mean, JR Smith was even on a few of his Nuggets teams... sure, except for 2009 his team never gone far, but so was KG's team until 2004. The west was just tough, and one guy can't do it all. All in all, I am not even a Melo fan, but I thought he deserves more praise than you give him credit for, that's all.  :hat
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: King Postwhore on July 20, 2018, 08:22:54 AM
I think he's lost that praise over the second half of his career.  I may be wrong but I think most feel that way.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: Samsara on July 20, 2018, 01:45:16 PM
Looks like Toronto's GM non-apology apologized to DeRozan and his fam.  :lol

"Hey, I'm sorry if what I said was misunderstood."

SMH. I get it, it is a business, but c'mon now.

Anyway, fingers crossed Wiggins learns how to be aggressive with Butler on the court, and the stuff about Butler not getting along with Towns and Wiggs is just summer BS. If Butler walks, its not the end of the world, but I'd be pretty P.O.'d.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: TAC on July 20, 2018, 01:49:33 PM
Well, that's what happens when you speak Canadian to an American.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: Accelerando on July 20, 2018, 03:22:14 PM
Melo may have had a mediocre second half of his NBA career, but his Olympics career is amazing. He is the only US basketball player other than David Robinson with at least three or more Olympic appearances and medals....3 Gold, 1 Bronze. He's the top US Olympics scorer of all time with 336pts, and also ranks 1st in games played, 3's made, field goals made and attempted, and free throws made. He could quite possibly be the best US Olympic Basketball player of all time. He will be in the Hall of Fame, specifically for his Olympic career.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: KevShmev on July 20, 2018, 04:47:15 PM
Eh, the Americans were a given to win the Olympics every year, and I am not giving Anthony any credit for that since any other star could have done the same thing had they gone as many times as he did.  Then again, most of those other stars were making deep playoff runs with their NBA teams, while Anthony couldn't even get to the playoffs most of his years in NY despite playing in the pitiful East.  Nice job leading there, Carmelo. :lol :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: TAC on July 20, 2018, 05:42:04 PM
Yes, thank you. Hasn't he actually had a negative effect on the last two NBA teams he's played on?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: Lonk on July 23, 2018, 05:36:22 AM
I just saw Roy Hibbert retired? I know the guy isn’t a Hall of fame but this flew under the radar.

I still think that Indiana team from 2011-2014 could have won a championship if they would’ve beaten the Heat. Then again, who knows.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: Nekov on July 23, 2018, 05:51:18 AM
I just saw Roy Hibbert retired? I know the guy isn’t a Hall of fame but this flew under the radar.

I still think that Indiana team from 2011-2014 could have won a championship if they would’ve beaten the Heat. Then again, who knows.

He had 2 maybe 3 really good seasons but then the NBA evolved and he was left out as many of the old school centers. I also believe those Pacers were pretty good but unfortunately for them LeBron James happened.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: Indiscipline on July 23, 2018, 08:54:34 AM
I just saw Roy Hibbert retired? I know the guy isn’t a Hall of fame but this flew under the radar.

I still think that Indiana team from 2011-2014 could have won a championship if they would’ve beaten the Heat. Then again, who knows.

Never the most mobile player to begin with, also in the current NBA you can't really play center anymore if you can't defend the three or follow your man outside, no matter your vertical, wingspan, or the huge space you occupy in the lane.

A JaVale McGee, openly mocked by all and sundry, is probably more valuable nowadays.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: Lonk on July 23, 2018, 12:36:57 PM
In no way was I saying he has any value now days. I just feel no one mention it, not even ESPN(at least I didn’t see anything). I guess since he didn’t play last season and played only 6 games on 16-17 it’s why it wasn’t mentioned.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: Indiscipline on July 23, 2018, 12:52:00 PM
I know, I know, man. Was just rationalising why he disappeared from the radar.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: Samsara on July 24, 2018, 02:11:35 PM
Something I was thinking about the last several days...

Could Toronto have flipped DeMar for Kawhi...only to ship him out at the deadline? Hear me out. DeMar was signed to a contract with a few more years left, right? They swept out Casey, looks like a semi-rebuild is imminent. So they get rid of DeMar's contract, take on Kawhi. They can trade Kawhi at the deadline for some young pieces or picks (particularly if he plays well) -- a bigger treasure trove than they could have gotten for DeRozen. So not only did Toronto save money by getting rid of DeRozen, they'll save more money by trading Kawhi at the deadline, and get more in return for him to help with the rebuild.

Sure, they still have Lowry on that ridiculous deal. BUT, Lowry has two more years at 31 (for 2018-2019) and 33 million (2019-2020), respectively. Kyle plays this year, and then the Raptors trade him this offseason for more assets. Not only do they get out of that bad contract (someone will take Lowry), but they'll theoretically be able to net picks and young players for both Kawhi and Lowry, and be in a better position for the future.

Thinking about it that way, I think they made a smart move, they've decided they can't truly win, and want to rebuild for the 2020-2021 season and beyond. Makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: Indiscipline on July 24, 2018, 04:02:36 PM
Interesting, and it makes sense indeed.

Question is, which team is going to pull the trigger on such a trade risking a Boogie in NOLA half season rental?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: TAC on July 24, 2018, 04:06:25 PM
Something I was thinking about the last several days...

Could Toronto have flipped DeMar for Kawhi...only to ship him out at the deadline? Hear me out. DeMar was signed to a contract with a few more years left, right? They swept out Casey, looks like a semi-rebuild is imminent. So they get rid of DeMar's contract, take on Kawhi. They can trade Kawhi at the deadline for some young pieces or picks (particularly if he plays well) -- a bigger treasure trove than they could have gotten for DeRozen. So not only did Toronto save money by getting rid of DeRozen, they'll save more money by trading Kawhi at the deadline, and get more in return for him to help with the rebuild.

Yeah, this has been mentioned around here. A true rebuild. Personally, I think the Raptors panicked. Fire the coach. Trade the best player. They would've been in the finals for the last two years had it not been for Lebron.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: jingle.boy on July 24, 2018, 04:10:08 PM
I thought this was a great article (from last week) on the matter:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/9-reasons-raptors-fans-stop-freaking-kawhi-leonard/

One of which is the exact thing just mentioned.  Key word ... "Could" trade Leonard.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: TAC on July 27, 2018, 08:20:57 PM
Milan Lucic :clap:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/nhl-star-unloads-on-derozan-for-way-he-handled-trade/ar-BBL9mcq?li=BBnba9I
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: jingle.boy on July 27, 2018, 08:56:19 PM
Milan Lucic :clap:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/nhl-star-unloads-on-derozan-for-way-he-handled-trade/ar-BBL9mcq?li=BBnba9I

Says the guy who has a big-fat-juicy contract that he pretty much doesn't deserve, and is an anchor at his team's chance to truly improve themselves.  But yeah, give him a :clap:  He has to live in Edmonton in the winter.   :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: Lonk on July 27, 2018, 09:29:56 PM
My issue is that when a good player leaves a team, no loyalty; when a team trades a player, it’s business. He seemed like someone who actually wanted to play in the north. I doubt kwahi will be there at the beginning of next season.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: KevShmev on July 28, 2018, 06:30:41 PM
My issue is that when a good player leaves a team, no loyalty; when a team trades a player, it’s business. He seemed like someone who actually wanted to play in the north. I doubt kwahi will be there at the beginning of next season.

Exactly. This is why I almost never have a beef when players hold out in the NFL, for example.  Teams have no problem trading or cutting you if it is in their best interest, and I am not sure how we can fault players for doing what it is in their best interest.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kawhi learns the words to "O Canada"
Post by: TAC on July 28, 2018, 06:46:59 PM
Milan Lucic :clap:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/nhl-star-unloads-on-derozan-for-way-he-handled-trade/ar-BBL9mcq?li=BBnba9I

Says the guy who has a big-fat-juicy contract that he pretty much doesn't deserve, and is an anchor at his team's chance to truly improve themselves.  But yeah, give him a :clap:  He has to live in Edmonton in the winter.   :lol

You just hate his Bruins blood.
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Post by: jingle.boy on July 28, 2018, 07:09:24 PM
Milan Lucic :clap:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/nhl-star-unloads-on-derozan-for-way-he-handled-trade/ar-BBL9mcq?li=BBnba9I

Says the guy who has a big-fat-juicy contract that he pretty much doesn't deserve, and is an anchor at his team's chance to truly improve themselves.  But yeah, give him a :clap:  He has to live in Edmonton in the winter.   :lol

You just hate his Bruins blood.

There's that too.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: King Postwhore on July 28, 2018, 07:12:13 PM
We can all agree for our hate of Montreal more.  :lol
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Post by: TAC on July 28, 2018, 07:17:54 PM
Bro hugs for everyone.

(https://www.canadianthinker.com/images/nohabsno.jpg)
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Post by: King Postwhore on July 28, 2018, 07:36:29 PM
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/750x500q90/924/5is44D.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/f/po5is44Dj)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: TAC on July 28, 2018, 07:51:20 PM
Joe, whose the other dude in the Bruins shirt?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: King Postwhore on July 28, 2018, 07:57:30 PM
My younger brother!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: TAC on July 28, 2018, 08:02:23 PM
My younger brother!

THAT GUY is your brother??
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: King Postwhore on July 28, 2018, 08:03:19 PM
Yup.  We look like the #10 next to each other.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: jingle.boy on July 29, 2018, 05:05:15 AM
We can all agree for our hate of Montreal more.  :lol

(https://replygif.net/i/194.gif)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Lonk on August 07, 2018, 04:37:51 PM
So I just saw an article on ESPN about new All-Stars for this season and it got me wondering.

Assuming they keep the same format, Who’s gonna be the East Captain for the all star game? Giannis? Irving? Kwahi? And is it gonna be as “dramatic” as having LBJ Vs Curry? Would be interesting to have LeBron Vs Irving, but I’m not sure LBJ as Captain is guarantee.

I don’t know, just my thoughts.
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Post by: Indiscipline on August 07, 2018, 05:24:23 PM
It will never happen, but it should be Al Focking Horford.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: TAC on August 07, 2018, 07:05:28 PM
Alex, you paying attention to the NBA way over there?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Azyiu on August 07, 2018, 08:12:31 PM
So I just saw an article on ESPN about new All-Stars for this season and it got me wondering.

Assuming they keep the same format, Who’s gonna be the East Captain for the all star game? Giannis? Irving? Kwahi? And is it gonna be as “dramatic” as having LBJ Vs Curry? Would be interesting to have LeBron Vs Irving, but I’m not sure LBJ as Captain is guarantee.

I don’t know, just my thoughts.

It should be called Team Irving... the league loves storylines, and which one will be more fun than Team LeBron vs Team Irving?

Oh, partial Christmas schedule is out, and my Lakers will play the Warriors, nice!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: TAC on August 07, 2018, 08:28:25 PM
Yup. Celts playing the Sixers
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Post by: Azyiu on August 07, 2018, 08:30:39 PM
Yup. Celts playing the Sixers

That should be a good game! Looking forward to that one too.

I am guessing one of the remaining 2 games have to be between the Rockets vs either OKC or the Pelicans
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Post by: TAC on August 07, 2018, 08:33:03 PM
Bucks at Knicks
Blazers at Jazz


according to Marc Stein at ESPN.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Azyiu on August 07, 2018, 08:37:03 PM
Bucks at Knicks
Blazers at Jazz


according to Marc Stein at ESPN.

Why not Raptors @ Spurs?  :huh:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: TAC on August 07, 2018, 08:40:17 PM
Bucks at Knicks
Blazers at Jazz


according to Marc Stein at ESPN.

KaWhy not Raptors @ Spurs?  :huh:

:neverusethis:


here's the link:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/report-lakers-to-play-warriors-in-oakland-on-christmas/ar-BBLDq7K?li=BBnba9I
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Indiscipline on August 08, 2018, 01:58:53 AM
Alex, you paying attention to the NBA way over there?

Like crazy, League Pass and all.

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Post by: Azyiu on August 08, 2018, 02:05:44 AM
Like crazy, League Pass and all.

League Pass subscriber here too... but I must say their services can be hit or miss sometimes, especially if you use AppleTV. Some games they never encoded the whole thing, and you get as little as 20 seconds of video! It is a good thing I have AppleTV, as well as iPad and PC... strangely the same game would be fine on other platforms.

Another thing I am not happy about is their so-called video archive. They never updated it and they are still showing the same thing from 2 years ago when I first started subscriping. I actually told them about it no less than 3-4 times, but I don't see them making any effort to fix these problems.  >:(

The NFL Game Pass is doing a MUCH MUCH MUCH better job!!  :hat
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Indiscipline on August 08, 2018, 02:17:24 AM
No problems on the iPad, and it (along with DTF) really keeps me "sane" riding the night bus.

I tend to prefer the regular satellite Sky broadcasts when at home, but time zones are a brutal business.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Azyiu on August 08, 2018, 02:22:34 AM
No problems on the iPad, and it (along with DTF) really keeps me "sane" riding the night bus.

I tend to prefer the regular satellite Sky broadcasts when at home, but time zones are a brutal business.

I never have any trouble with iPad or PC, it is always with the AppleTV. Per what I was told by the call center people, each platform has its own decoding team and server. Guess their AppleTV team / server sucks...  :yeahright
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Samsara on August 13, 2018, 09:38:55 AM
League Pass sucked for us.

We tried it for the first time last year. We run everything through PS4, or through apps on our TV. Direct connection from cable modem to TV. The LAG was SO horrific. We upgraded to the highest speeds and everything, and it still sucked. We got a refund, and now just deal with it. It sucks because we were all hyped up to watch as many T-Wolves games as possible, and we couldn't.

I hesitate to ever try it again.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Azyiu on August 13, 2018, 09:56:50 AM
League Pass sucked for us.

We tried it for the first time last year. We run everything through PS4, or through apps on our TV. Direct connection from cable modem to TV. The LAG was SO horrific. We upgraded to the highest speeds and everything, and it still sucked. We got a refund, and now just deal with it. It sucks because we were all hyped up to watch as many T-Wolves games as possible, and we couldn't.

I hesitate to ever try it again.

Sorry to break it to you, bro... but both the PS4 or app on TV are the LEAST reliable way to watch games. I've done a ton of testing (NBA should pay me for UAT) on both, and they both suck! Luckily I have AppleTV, as well as a PC and couple iPads. I have nearly zero trouble watching games via them. If you have an iPad or AppleTV, go with them and you will be ok.  :tup
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Samsara on August 13, 2018, 11:35:03 AM
League Pass sucked for us.

We tried it for the first time last year. We run everything through PS4, or through apps on our TV. Direct connection from cable modem to TV. The LAG was SO horrific. We upgraded to the highest speeds and everything, and it still sucked. We got a refund, and now just deal with it. It sucks because we were all hyped up to watch as many T-Wolves games as possible, and we couldn't.

I hesitate to ever try it again.

Sorry to break it to you, bro... but both the PS4 or app on TV are the LEAST reliable way to watch games. I've done a ton of testing (NBA should pay me for UAT) on both, and they both suck! Luckily I have AppleTV, as well as a PC and couple iPads. I have nearly zero trouble watching games via them. If you have an iPad or AppleTV, go with them and you will be ok.  :tup

Bummer. We have an iPad, but the point for us is to watch it in our living room on our main TV. Watching it on an iPad screen, or a computer screen is pointless for us.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Grappler on August 13, 2018, 11:38:55 AM
League Pass sucked for us.

We tried it for the first time last year. We run everything through PS4, or through apps on our TV. Direct connection from cable modem to TV. The LAG was SO horrific. We upgraded to the highest speeds and everything, and it still sucked. We got a refund, and now just deal with it. It sucks because we were all hyped up to watch as many T-Wolves games as possible, and we couldn't.

I hesitate to ever try it again.

Sorry to break it to you, bro... but both the PS4 or app on TV are the LEAST reliable way to watch games. I've done a ton of testing (NBA should pay me for UAT) on both, and they both suck! Luckily I have AppleTV, as well as a PC and couple iPads. I have nearly zero trouble watching games via them. If you have an iPad or AppleTV, go with them and you will be ok.  :tup

Bummer. We have an iPad, but the point for us is to watch it in our living room on our main TV. Watching it on an iPad screen, or a computer screen is pointless for us.

Get a Roku - even the smallest ones, like the streaming sticks, have a quad core processor.  We use streaming TV through our Roku sticks all the time and very rarely have any buffering issues.  If we do, it's usually our signal and we just reset the router a few times and it gets better.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: bosk1 on August 22, 2018, 09:19:22 AM
I'm going to throw out an interesting observation and a question to see what you guys think.  It involves two different categories of "championship teams."  Specifically, there are a couple of characteristics of dynastic teams that I find interesting.

On one hand, you have the type of team that is clearly a well-built and exceptional team that will win through the years, but has to fight and scratch and claw year in and year out.  In a given season, when things start to align, they might be guilty of taking their talent for granted.  But by and large, they don't simply "assume" that they will be champions.  They fight for it.  Some years they make it.  Some years they don't.  A couple of teams that fit this mold are the Duncan-era Spurs and the Kobe/Shaq Lakers. 

On the other hand, you have teams that are flat-out dominant, so much so that they, their fans, and the league expect them to be in the mix for the championship every single year.  The consequence is that, during the regular season, a team like this can lack focus and look bored, biding their time for the playoffs.  The regular season just feels like a "dress rehearsal."  They know they can beat anybody, and so they sometimes lack the focus to actually do it.  The Warriors and Jordan-era Bulls fit this mold.

Obviously, there aren't "black-and-white" delineations of when a team is one or the other.  And there are other "types" of teams as well.  I'm simply making the observation.  So my question is: which type do you think makes a "better" team?  "Better" can be any criteria you like, but I'm interested in thoughts on this, whatever they may be.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Samsara on August 22, 2018, 09:28:42 AM
I think you lumping the Jordan era Bulls into the latter group is a mistake. They fought every year. They never went through the motions. They were just really good, and worked really hard. Anyone on those Bulls teams would likely tell you that Jordan and Pippen MADE them work 10x harder than anyone else in the regular season.

What you have now is a Warriors team who sort of set the trend in the modern era of the way they play. They dominated, then added more, and are dominating again, and I suspect with a healthy Cousins, they will continue to dominate. But they are the only "put the team on auto pilot for the regular season" team I recall in recent memory. And that, more than anything else, is why I appreciate their talent, but don't like them. They don't play hard until the playoffs. And that will eventually bite them in the ass.

So while "better" is a relative term, I prefer watching teams in the former category, who you can tell are working hard at their craft. Not to say that the Warriors don't, but clearly, they are more concerned with doing the bare minimum to win and conserve for the playoffs (which I totally get). But it makes them...not fun to watch in the regular season, except in big matchups.

As an NBA junkie, I'm the guy that would tune into the Warriors playing the Hawks if that was on. Because the Hawks are gonna fight. But the Warriors almost (not intentionally) disrespect by pretty much not bothering to play hard because they don't have to. And its just lame to watch that.
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Post by: Indiscipline on August 22, 2018, 09:46:12 AM
I would put the Shaq/Kobe Lakers in group two, as they were the ultimate playoff button switchers.

The Bulls are tricky. They won their fist ring as scrappers, with an actual "eternal loser" label on a lot of people forgets now. Second and third rings came as dominat force, but they never really slacked, MJ wouldn't allow it. The second threepeat was fascinating. Three years of total dominance, but with a scrapper attitude as they killed themselves even for the most inane regular season away games and repeatedly won the playoffs running on fumes.

The Warriors - which are close to become the best NBA dinasty I've ever witnessed - remind me of the Bird's teams I loved as a kid. They were so good and enamored of their game that they sometimes forgot to compete. One regret I have as spectator is the lack of an adversary on par with Magic's Lakers in this analogy.

As for the question, I love the "no one believed in us" teams category, like Brown's Pistons, Rudy T's Rockets, or Carlisle's Mavs. Probably - not being American and not rooting for any specific franchise - I'm partial to surprises and underdogs.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: bosk1 on August 22, 2018, 09:53:28 AM
For the record, I think both categories are tricky.  And I think putting any team squarely into one category or the other is tricky.  Some of the arguments above are well taken.  But, again, none of this is meant to be iron-clad.  It's just to spark discussion.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Indiscipline on August 22, 2018, 10:02:25 AM
You have been reported for mentioning Sparks inside a NBA thread
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Nekov on August 22, 2018, 11:13:48 AM
I think I'm with Samsara in this one. I don't think you can put any other team in the same category as the Warriors, except maybe the Celtics that won 11 Championships, because no other team has put as much talent together as they have. Indiscipline mentions the Kobe/Shaq Lakers and even that team had to fight hard to get through because they didn't have as much firepower. What I would say comes closest is Lebrons Miami, they had a tremendous amount of talent as well as many great roleplayers but they failed to translate that into championships. They should have won against Dallas, I can't hold it to the that they lost against the Spurs because that team played the best basketball I have seen.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on August 22, 2018, 12:08:20 PM
I think it is worth noting that, generally speaking, the league is putting less and less emphasis on the regular season these days. It's not just the Warriors who looked bored last year. There are always a few players or a few teams who basically punt until the playoffs. Back in the day, you played all 82 games unless you were injured. There was no such thing as "DNP - Old". :lol

With that said, I always favor larger samples of dominance versus smaller samples. Even if the Warriors are starting to rest on their laurels a bit, if you can win four championships in five seasons, that's pretty darn impressive.
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Post by: Azyiu on August 22, 2018, 07:55:23 PM
I think it is worth noting that, generally speaking, the league is putting less and less emphasis on the regular season these days. It's not just the Warriors who looked bored last year. There are always a few players or a few teams who basically punt until the playoffs. Back in the day, you played all 82 games unless you were injured. There was no such thing as "DNP - Old". :lol

Pop invented that, and all other teams made it a regular practice.  :lol

With that said, I always favor larger samples of dominance versus smaller samples. Even if the Warriors are starting to rest on their laurels a bit, if you can win four championships in five seasons, that's pretty darn impressive.

Agreed

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Nekov on August 23, 2018, 07:36:50 AM
I think it is worth noting that, generally speaking, the league is putting less and less emphasis on the regular season these days. It's not just the Warriors who looked bored last year. There are always a few players or a few teams who basically punt until the playoffs. Back in the day, you played all 82 games unless you were injured. There was no such thing as "DNP - Old". :lol

I think one thing that is not mentioned enough about players resting is that nowadays the sport has gotten a lot more physical, not in terms of how much guys hit each other, we all know the 80s and 90s were closer to boxing matches than today's whistle happy games, but in terms of how much the body limits are being strained. And I think it shows in the amount and seriousness of injuries compared to the past. That's to me the one think that puts Lebron ahead of everyone else, his physique is really superhuman. He can play 46 minutes a game playing the 82 games, plus the playoffs and still not lose firepower. This is not a phenomenon of basketball alone either, I see it happening a lot in soccer as well.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Indiscipline on August 23, 2018, 07:52:10 AM
Interesting. On the other hand players nowadays eat, rest, recover and travel way more efficently on the same 82 games schedule. Furthermore, rosters have doubled up in size and no one really comes in the league with 3/4 taxing college years on the odometer anymore.

Your points are valid (spot on regarding LeBron), but I suspect a lot of this DNP habit may also come from nowadays players (incomparably more conscious and enpowered than, say, 20 years ago) studying history and noticing how playing on injuries have destroyed excellent careers.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Azyiu on August 23, 2018, 09:22:35 AM
We are in the middle of the annual basketball "dark period", where we are still like 2 months away from the start of season... anyway, I got bored and put together footage and photos I shot at the Lakers game I attended in Feb., and made a video out of them. Check it out, enjoy, like and subscribe.  :biggrin: :biggrin:

https://youtu.be/VTPDN_pclr8 (https://"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTPDN_pclr8&feature=youtu.be")
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Post by: Samsara on August 23, 2018, 10:14:52 AM
Interesting. On the other hand players nowadays eat, rest, recover and travel way more efficently on the same 82 games schedule. Furthermore, rosters have doubled up in size and no one really comes in the league with 3/4 taxing college years on the odometer anymore.

Your points are valid (spot on regarding LeBron), but I suspect a lot of this DNP habit may also come from nowadays players (incomparably more conscious and enpowered than, say, 20 years ago) studying history and noticing how playing on injuries have destroyed excellent careers.

Agreed.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on August 23, 2018, 12:22:29 PM
I think it is worth noting that, generally speaking, the league is putting less and less emphasis on the regular season these days. It's not just the Warriors who looked bored last year. There are always a few players or a few teams who basically punt until the playoffs. Back in the day, you played all 82 games unless you were injured. There was no such thing as "DNP - Old". :lol

I think one thing that is not mentioned enough about players resting is that nowadays the sport has gotten a lot more physical, not in terms of how much guys hit each other, we all know the 80s and 90s were closer to boxing matches than today's whistle happy games, but in terms of how much the body limits are being strained. And I think it shows in the amount and seriousness of injuries compared to the past. That's to me the one think that puts Lebron ahead of everyone else, his physique is really superhuman. He can play 46 minutes a game playing the 82 games, plus the playoffs and still not lose firepower. This is not a phenomenon of basketball alone either, I see it happening a lot in soccer as well.

The way that players are required to cut and sprint these days is pretty frightening. Like you said, basketball was way more physical in the 90s, but you didn't have to run to the three-point line. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but I do think today's game lends itself to injuries more.

I think I'm with Samsara in this one. I don't think you can put any other team in the same category as the Warriors, except maybe the Celtics that won 11 Championships, because no other team has put as much talent together as they have. Indiscipline mentions the Kobe/Shaq Lakers and even that team had to fight hard to get through because they didn't have as much firepower. What I would say comes closest is Lebrons Miami, they had a tremendous amount of talent as well as many great roleplayers but they failed to translate that into championships. They should have won against Dallas, I can't hold it to the that they lost against the Spurs because that team played the best basketball I have seen.

In my opinion, even the Heat were unimpressive compared to the Warriors. If memory serves, 2013 Miami had two All-NBA producers in James and Wade, one additional All-Star in Bosh, one All-Defense representative, and a handful of excellent role players in Chalmers, Allen, Battier, and Anderson. By contrast, 2017 Golden State had three All-NBA guys in Curry, Durant, and Green, along with the Defensive Player of the Year in Green, an additional All-Star in Klay, and probably the second-best defensive wing in the league with Andre. The Heat were probably deeper but the Warriors best five was the most loaded top five ever.

Miami should have won in 2011, although I don't think it was as foregone a conclusion as we remember it. The Heat only had four or five above average players and weren't playing small ball yet. Also, Dallas was a much better team in the playoffs than the regular season. Miami was like the second or third team that they upset en route to the championship.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: bosk1 on August 23, 2018, 12:27:20 PM
In my opinion, even the Heat were unimpressive compared to the Warriors. If memory serves, 2013 Miami had two All-NBA producers in James and Wade, one additional All-Star in Bosh, one All-Defense representative, and a handful of excellent role players in Chalmers, Allen, Battier, and Anderson. By contrast, 2017 Golden State had three All-NBA guys in Curry, Durant, and Green, along with the Defensive Player of the Year in Green, an additional All-Star in Klay, and probably the second-best defensive wing in the league with Andre. The Heat were probably deeper but the Warriors best five was the most loaded top five ever.

The version of the team before Durant came over was incredibly impressive as well, with Barnes and Bogut being in the starting lineup.  The problem with Barnes was that, despite him having the ability to be a terror, he was incredibly streaky.  But when he was one, he was a great addition.  Bogut's problem was simply his propensity to get injured. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Nekov on August 23, 2018, 12:41:38 PM
I just did some google search into Dallas roster in 2011 and I agree they had a way better roster than I remembered. Good leaders in Dirk and Kidd, great defenders in Marion and Chandler, good shooter in Peja and Terry, Caron Butler was a good all-around player. I should have remembered this better, I was in Chicago at the time and watched all the games.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Samsara on August 23, 2018, 01:45:13 PM
I just did some google search into Dallas roster in 2011 and I agree they had a way better roster than I remembered. Good leaders in Dirk and Kidd, great defenders in Marion and Chandler, good shooter in Peja and Terry, Caron Butler was a good all-around player. I should have remembered this better, I was in Chicago at the time and watched all the games.

Yeah, Dallas had a hell of a team with two Hall of Famers and some really outstanding, talented players who were stars at one point, but were content in playing roles. I was happy for Kidd and Dirk that they got a ring.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Nekov on August 27, 2018, 12:11:10 PM
It is a sad day today. Manu Ginobili announced his retirement from Basketball.  :'(
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Post by: Azyiu on August 27, 2018, 12:17:05 PM
Congrats to Manu for an incredible career. I have nothing but respect for that guy... even though he is such a flopper, lol! He will be missed.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Samsara on August 27, 2018, 12:48:30 PM
Huge flopper. But dude competed hard. Should probably have retired four years ago, but as an NBA fan, loved to watch him play (aside from the flops).
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Indiscipline on August 27, 2018, 02:51:19 PM
In my opinion, the best FIBA area player ever.

I had the privilege to watch him perform live every other Saturday for a couple of years before he left for the NBA, and he already played chess at the speed of sound.

An incredible basketball mind.
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Post by: TAC on August 27, 2018, 02:57:55 PM
Indiscipline, you just think he's handsome, don'tcha?
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Post by: bosk1 on August 27, 2018, 02:59:07 PM
You don't?
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Post by: TAC on August 27, 2018, 03:01:04 PM
Well












um










sure..
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Post by: Indiscipline on August 27, 2018, 03:05:43 PM
I mean, that is a manly nose for sure.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Lonk on August 31, 2018, 02:13:12 PM
David West retires...3 seasons too late but at least he got his rings.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Azyiu on September 11, 2018, 06:30:22 AM
With Luol Deng joining the T-Wolves, we now just need the Knicks waiving Noah... He can then join the T-Wolves and re-form the old Bulls starting lineup of Butler, Rose, Deng, Gibson and Noah, with Thib as coach and Aaron Brooks coming off the bench, lol!! Or they can change their team name to the TimberBulls if they want, lol!!  :lol  :lol  :lol
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on September 11, 2018, 07:30:24 AM
Minnesota Thibobulls
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Samsara on September 11, 2018, 11:39:42 AM
With Luol Deng joining the T-Wolves, we now just need the Knicks waiving Noah... He can then join the T-Wolves and re-form the old Bulls starting lineup of Butler, Rose, Deng, Gibson and Noah, with Thib as coach and Aaron Brooks coming off the bench, lol!! Or they can change their team name to the TimberBulls if they want, lol!!  :lol  :lol  :lol

I hate you.   :lol

Minnesota Thibobulls

And you too.  :rollin

>>>>Seriously though, apparently Thibs told Deng straight out that he couldn't promise him playing time. He'd have to earn it. I don't think they'll sign Noah, even when the Knicks waive him. We've already got last year's draft pick to develop, the way over-priced Dieng, and then of course Towns and Gibson starting. Gibson, IMO, is more of a bench player, but that's all we have at the PF spot until one of the young guys steps up. I am thinking Bates-Diop is going to be that guy. HUGE, HUGE draft steal. So signing Noah makes NO sense, whereas if you need veteran wing help, Deng isn't a bad signing, even if he ends up being bench depth.

But yeah, the whole TimberBulls thing is getting ridiculous. I can defend most of the signings, including Deng. But if he pulls the trigger on Noah, once Noah is available, I think Glen Taylor may can Thibs by the spring if the Wolves aren't in the top-five of the conference. If they are .500 or something, Thibs is going to get axed. or at the very least, lose his President title.

My biggest hope is that Towns takes another step, the bullshit with Butler goes away, and Wiggins says the hell with everyone and plays like the demon he can be. IF that happens, Wolves will be in good shape.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Lonk on September 11, 2018, 08:27:28 PM
I had high hopes but the wolves past few years but Wiggins (even if a good player) is not playing to his potential, and sometimes it just feels like they don’t know how to play together as a team. They already have a few years together and chemistry should start showing.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Nekov on September 12, 2018, 05:47:08 AM
I said it before, Thibbs is not as good as he is said to be. I think he's good at preparing defensive schemes, but he needs players that are already developed and requires way too much out of his regular players. Roleplayers are close to non-existent in his teams and the chemistry is not always the best. I think Wiggins needs to go to a different place where he can get away from Buttler and have a coach that can get the best of him.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Samsara on September 12, 2018, 08:33:06 AM
I said it before, Thibbs is not as good as he is said to be. I think he's good at preparing defensive schemes, but he needs players that are already developed and requires way too much out of his regular players. Roleplayers are close to non-existent in his teams and the chemistry is not always the best. I think Wiggins needs to go to a different place where he can get away from Buttler and have a coach that can get the best of him.

Butler is gonna bail. I am almost sure of it. I really do see him joining Kyrie and going to the Knicks (which, in all honesty, being that the Knicks are my hometown team, and the team I follow second to the Wolves, would not be a bad thing).

I know people will disagree, but I was not a fan of the Butler trade to the Wolves to begin with. I am very, very high on Lavine and Markkenen, and had they kept them, no, they wouldn't have made the playoffs last year, but they would have had more cap flexibility and firepower. Thibs has made some big mistakes, but it hasn't been his coaching. It has been the other stuff (like signing Gorgi Dieng to a big deal). Good lord.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on September 13, 2018, 08:40:02 AM
What's amazing about the Wolves is that, even with Butler and Thibs, they are still a below average defense. I didn't see many of their games last year, but from what I did see, Towns and Wiggins were really disappointing on that end. That probably has a lot to do with the comments Butler made about being disappointed with certain players' priorities.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Samsara on September 13, 2018, 09:40:38 AM
What's amazing about the Wolves is that, even with Butler and Thibs, they are still a below average defense. I didn't see many of their games last year, but from what I did see, Towns and Wiggins were really disappointing on that end. That probably has a lot to do with the comments Butler made about being disappointed with certain players' priorities.

Agreed. I am not sure Wiggins will ever be a defensive player, but he did make strides last year. But not good enough. Towns made further progress, and I think his defensive ceiling is higher than Wiggins'. I don't expect either to be ALL NBA DEFENSE, but I think they can be average defenders, and very good help defenders. But they need to be surrounded with elite defenders, and right now, only Butler is.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Samsara on September 19, 2018, 01:21:41 PM
So, it happened. Butler requested a traded, rumored to be to either the Clippers, Knicks, and Nets, all of whom can afford a max deal for him next summer. I get it, and knew this was coming, but it still pisses me off. When the Wolves trade him, we'll have let Lavine and Markkanen (not to mention Kris Dunn) leave for spare parts. Absolutely ridiculous.

My predication - Courtney Lee and Frank Nikilitina from the Knicks to the Wolves, for Butler. Gives Wolves the 3 and D SG they need to compliment Wiggins, and gives them an up and coming SG with PG skills in Nikilitina. The Knicks won't trade a 1st rder, so this is a deal that would get things done.

Could be the Clippers too...TObias Harris and a couple of pieces to the WOlves for Butler. I find this not as likely, only because Tobias is a FA next year, and Wolves won't sign him.

So I expect the Knicks trade to happen.

THe bottom line is, while I was never a "FIRE THIBS" guy, I think Glen Taylor needs to make sure Towns is signed to that extension, and then the moment he is, he fires Thibs and starts new in the front office. It is absolutely unconscionable that the Wolves let Lavine, Markkanen and Dunn go for what is going to amount to spare parts.

FML as a Wolves fan.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: T-ski on September 19, 2018, 01:33:35 PM
So, it happened. Butler requested a traded, rumored to be to either the Clippers, Knicks, and Nets, all of whom can afford a max deal for him next summer. I get it, and knew this was coming, but it still pisses me off. When the Wolves trade him, we'll have let Lavine and Markkanen (not to mention Kris Dunn) leave for spare parts. Absolutely ridiculous.

My predication - Courtney Lee and Frank Nikilitina from the Knicks to the Wolves, for Butler. Gives Wolves the 3 and D SG they need to compliment Wiggins, and gives them an up and coming SG with PG skills in Nikilitina. The Knicks won't trade a 1st rder, so this is a deal that would get things done.

Could be the Clippers too...TObias Harris and a couple of pieces to the WOlves for Butler. I find this not as likely, only because Tobias is a FA next year, and Wolves won't sign him.

So I expect the Knicks trade to happen.

THe bottom line is, while I was never a "FIRE THIBS" guy, I think Glen Taylor needs to make sure Towns is signed to that extension, and then the moment he is, he fires Thibs and starts new in the front office. It is absolutely unconscionable that the Wolves let Lavine, Markkanen and Dunn go for what is going to amount to spare parts.

FML as a Wolves fan.

if those are really the three teams Butler wants to go to, the Wolves will not get equal value back at all.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Samsara on September 19, 2018, 02:26:50 PM


if those are really the three teams Butler wants to go to, the Wolves will not get equal value back at all.

Nah, they wouldn't anyway. YOu never get back equal value for a player of Butler's caliber. My hope is a veteran who fills a need, and young player with potential. That's why the proposed Knicks deal I threw up there makes sense. Now I am reading that Thibs won't trade him immediately. Which to me, is dumb, because now this hangs over your head. Just call the teams and get the offers. Christ.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on September 19, 2018, 02:57:27 PM
It's interesting that Butler wants to go to those teams. The Clippers are actually pretty respectable, but the Nets are still rebuilding and the Knicks just suck. I am 100% behind Butler doing whatever he wants, and it appears that he wants to get paid, but it just seems weird to me. The guy is approaching the back nine of his career, has not had any meaningful team success, and yet all he wants is to be the guy on mediocre teams.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Samsara on September 19, 2018, 03:00:31 PM
It's interesting that Butler wants to go to those teams. The Clippers are actually pretty respectable, but the Nets are still rebuilding and the Knicks just suck. I am 100% behind Butler doing whatever he wants, and it appears that he wants to get paid, but it just seems weird to me. The guy is approaching the back nine of his career, has not had any meaningful team success, and yet all he wants is to be the guy on mediocre teams.

The Knicks don't suck. If they acquire Butler, then they have KP, Knox, and potentially, Kyrie Irving. Plus, they have a great coach in Fizdale. Things are looking up at MSG. I am a Wolves fanatic, but I also root for my hometown Knicks. I got into basketball in 1989, watching the Timberwolves play the Knicks. I loved the Wolves, but also followed and became a fan of the Knicks as they are my hometown squad. Been a fan of both ever since.

The Clippers could make sense, but I'm not sure, other than cap room, and the ability to perhaps sign Irving, the Nets really have.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Nekov on September 20, 2018, 09:24:25 AM
My predication - Courtney Lee and Frank Nikilitina from the Knicks to the Wolves, for Butler. Gives Wolves the 3 and D SG they need to compliment Wiggins, and gives them an up and coming SG with PG skills in Nikilitina. The Knicks won't trade a 1st rder, so this is a deal that would get things done.

So I expect the Knicks trade to happen.

FML as a Wolves fan.

I read yesterday that the Knicks GM had said they wouldn't trade for players they can get for free next year so I'm not sure that will happen, specially when there are rumors that Buttler prefers the Clippers over the other 2 options. Of the 3, I think New Jersey is the one that has the best assets to offer but we'll see what happens
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Samsara on September 20, 2018, 01:18:05 PM
My predication - Courtney Lee and Frank Nikilitina from the Knicks to the Wolves, for Butler. Gives Wolves the 3 and D SG they need to compliment Wiggins, and gives them an up and coming SG with PG skills in Nikilitina. The Knicks won't trade a 1st rder, so this is a deal that would get things done.

So I expect the Knicks trade to happen.

FML as a Wolves fan.

I read yesterday that the Knicks GM had said they wouldn't trade for players they can get for free next year so I'm not sure that will happen, specially when there are rumors that Buttler prefers the Clippers over the other 2 options. Of the 3, I think New Jersey is the one that has the best assets to offer but we'll see what happens

Yep. The Knicks will be in it if they only have to give up something small. It really depends on what the Wolves are offered by the Clips and Nets, and use that as "leverage." (in quotes, because the Wolves have none.) Personally, I think the Nets move is more likely, because they'd likely give up more, as would the Clips.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Nekov on September 21, 2018, 06:02:09 AM
I read that Courtney lee requested to be transferred so maybe the knicks will act on that however I don't know how much more they are willing to give up. Add to that the fact that supposedly his preference is the Clippers and it becomes a little more complicated.
And sorry to say this Samsara, but I have to thank Buttler for making this month more interesting, everything had been so quiet and drama free
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Samsara on September 21, 2018, 11:10:04 AM
I read that Courtney lee requested to be transferred so maybe the knicks will act on that however I don't know how much more they are willing to give up. Add to that the fact that supposedly his preference is the Clippers and it becomes a little more complicated.
And sorry to say this Samsara, but I have to thank Buttler for making this month more interesting, everything had been so quiet and drama free

Hahahha. That's my team! Sucks so much. I was never in favor of the Butler trade. Not because I didn't think he'd resign, but that I was high on Lavine and making it a homegrown trio of him, Towns, and Wiggins. And Markkenen turned out to be gold, like I thought he would, for the Bulls.

Wolves don't make that trade, while they'd be swiss cheese as defense, trotting out a starting lineup of:

Towns
Markkenen
Wiggins
Lavine
Teague

>>>>That would be high octane, a ton of fun, and would compete for a playoff spot for years to come with the youth.

Now...its just back to reconstructing a roster. Because once Butler is gone, the Wolves have old guys surrounding Towns and Wiggins. And that's not gonna work. Thibs NEEDS TO FORGET ABOUT THE OLD GUYS and play Diop and Okogie, and let them take their lumps. See if they can make it.

But he won't...
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Nekov on September 21, 2018, 11:41:42 AM
No he won't. He said he'd rather quit that stay for a rebuild. Stories are also saying the wolves have been getting calls from other teams and in every case they have declined to discuss any trade possibility. There's talk about them holding to Buttler and trying to work out the problems.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Samsara on September 21, 2018, 03:42:03 PM
No he won't. He said he'd rather quit that stay for a rebuild. Stories are also saying the wolves have been getting calls from other teams and in every case they have declined to discuss any trade possibility. There's talk about them holding to Buttler and trying to work out the problems.

Not gonna happen. Taylor is gonna step in and fix it. I have faith. I think first things first, he meets with Towns, gets him his contract and gives him assurances. Then he trades Butler out from under Thibs, and fires Thibs. Gonna be a hell of a pre-season.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: T-ski on September 22, 2018, 07:46:20 PM
Minnesota signs KAT to the max, reports Butler most likely traded within days.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Nekov on September 24, 2018, 05:54:35 AM
Minnesota signs KAT to the max, reports Butler most likely traded within days.

I read the same thing. Apparently the GM was rejecting calls and the owner got in the middle and said they should trade him ASAP. This is just too much fun  :corn
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on September 24, 2018, 06:59:48 AM
For fun, who are everyone's top ten NBA players?

=Tier One=
1. James
2. Curry
3. Durant
4. Harden
=Tier Two=
5. Davis
6. Giannis
=Tier Three=
7. Leonard
8. Paul
9. Embiid
10. Westbrook
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Azyiu on September 24, 2018, 07:25:52 AM
For fun, who are everyone's top ten NBA players?

=Tier One=
1. James
2. Curry
3. Durant
4. Harden
=Tier Two=
5. Davis
6. Giannis
=Tier Three=
7. Leonard
8. Paul
9. Embiid
10. Westbrook

What?! No love for Irving?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Samsara on September 24, 2018, 08:33:36 AM
Minnesota signs KAT to the max, reports Butler most likely traded within days.

I read the same thing. Apparently the GM was rejecting calls and the owner got in the middle and said they should trade him ASAP. This is just too much fun  :corn

I found something out over the weekend that puts a lot of this into perspective. Apparently Jimmy Butler boned KAT's girlfriend late in the season. If you google it, a few outlets have reported it. KAT even deleted all the most recent pictures of him and his ex-GF (there are older photos on there) from his Instagram. That really now makes sense where the tension between KAT and Butler is, and while Wiggins has his own issues, perhaps that's why Wiggins and Butler don't mesh (Wiggins and KAT are tight, and I am assuming Wiggins stood up for his buddy).

Add to that, that Taylor is extremely close to Wiggins, and to KAT, and it makes even more sense that if you assume for a second GLen Taylor found out about this recently, why he immediately took the situation in-hand, and said he'll trade Butler, and KAT immediately signed once that was announced. My best bet is, Taylor and KAT met, KAT told him what was up, and Taylor went livid.

Good.

Once Butler is gone, I foresee Taylor letting Thibs and Layden go too. If the team is .500, I don't expect those two to last beyond the 2018 calendar year. If you took note of KAT's message when he got signed, he talked about upholding the ideals of the late Flip Saunders. Nowhere in it did he reference Thibs. Now, read the tea leaves...Ryan Saunders, Flip's son, is on Thibs' coaching staff, and has been an assistant coach for years. It would not surprise me in the least if Taylor axed Thibs and Layden, and installed Saunders (who would have the support of KAT and Wiggins) as head coach.

I'm not talking about in the next week or so, but around the first of the  year. Just enough time so that Taylor can further evaluate what they are doing, and then make the change.

What a cluster. But I am happy that Butler is gone. While there are scumbags everywhere, if that stuff regarding boning KAT's GF is true (and I believe it is), that's really low. F that guy.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on September 24, 2018, 09:00:05 AM
For fun, who are everyone's top ten NBA players?

=Tier One=
1. James
2. Curry
3. Durant
4. Harden
=Tier Two=
5. Davis
6. Giannis
=Tier Three=
7. Leonard
8. Paul
9. Embiid
10. Westbrook

What?! No love for Irving?

Eek. It's tough. If we assume 100% health for everyone, then I don't think I would take him over any of those guys. If we factor in health, then maybe I would slot him above Embiid, Leonard, or Paul. However, it's not like Irving is the picture of durability.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Aefenwelg on September 25, 2018, 06:30:58 PM
1. Markkanen
2. Dunn
3. Parker
4. Lavine
5. Carter
6. Rolo
7. Portis
8. Valentine
9. Hutchison
10. Payne

Go Bulls!!!  :natalieportman:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: Azyiu on September 29, 2018, 06:14:01 PM
Am watching Blazers vs. Raptors... glad to see Blazers' Chinanu Onuaku shooting underhand FTs. Yet fans were laughing loudly... guess many of them don't know basketball history well enough  :yeahright
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Carmelo preparing to make another team worse
Post by: KevShmev on September 30, 2018, 07:06:32 AM
For fun, who are everyone's top ten NBA players?

=Tier One=
1. James
2. Curry
3. Durant
4. Harden
=Tier Two=
5. Davis
6. Giannis
=Tier Three=
7. Leonard
8. Paul
9. Embiid
10. Westbrook

What?! No love for Irving?

No way would I put Irving in the top 10.  Like TOZ said, he can't say healthy, and part of being great is being durable. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: dparrott on October 03, 2018, 07:37:24 PM
There's talk of the Heat getting 2 or 3 new jerseys, all in Vice colors!  There's a pic online of the Vice court too!!!  I'm so excited, I love that branding.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Azyiu on October 03, 2018, 07:40:33 PM
There's talk of the Heat getting 2 or 3 new jerseys, all in Vice colors!  There's a pic online of the Vice court too!!!  I'm so excited, I love that branding.

Same here... but I will be even more excited, if GTA : Vice City is getting a remake, lol!!  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: T-ski on October 03, 2018, 08:12:11 PM
based on one pre-season game I'm going to say the Bucks will go undefeated.

Fear the deer.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Samsara on October 04, 2018, 10:07:49 AM
based on one pre-season game I'm going to say the Bucks will go undefeated.

Fear the deer.

I do fear the deer. No one is talking about the Bucks in the East. Big mistake. I actually think they are going to win the East.

Boston v. Milwaukee in the ECF. Milwaukee will squeak it out in 7.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Azyiu on October 05, 2018, 06:16:38 AM
Watching the NBA China games in Shanghai on tv now (Sixers vs. Mavs)... but the two announcers calling the game keep saying something along the line "...from Beijing"... I am like, dudes, do you even know what city you are in? Lol!  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Azyiu on October 05, 2018, 09:14:52 PM
Guess I am not the only one getting sick and tired of the boring pre-season... ok, bad joke, but I wish Miles Simon recovers swiftly.  :hat

Lakers assistant Miles Simon diagnosed with pneumonia after getting sick at preseason game (https://"https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/lakers/2018/10/05/lakers-assistant-miles-simon-left-game-stretcher-pneumonia-nba/1537061002/")
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Accelerando on October 06, 2018, 07:39:06 PM
DeRozan looking solid within the Spurs system. I can't wait to see this team more comfortable with each other. In a SPUR of the moment, we'll be competing with the best of the West.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: TAC on October 06, 2018, 07:42:02 PM
So during last year's playoff, I caught some grief by saying that the Cavs would still be a playoff team without LeBron.


They will DEFINITELY make the playoffs this year. Mark it down!!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: jammindude on October 06, 2018, 08:12:59 PM
So during last year's playoff, I caught some grief by saying that the Cavs would still be a playoff team without LeBron.


They will DEFINITELY make the playoffs this year. Mark it down!!

The entire East is just an open field of gazelles lining up to see who gets to face LA, GSW, or Houston...so I’m not sure it matters.

But the upshot of that is the East is going to be much more interesting to watch. In the West, you’ve got 3 or 4 behemoths that are going to bulldoze. But the East is spread out a bit more. There are a lot of young talented teams, and I think any of the top 8 have the potential to beat any of the rest.

The season could change all that, but that’s the way it looks to me at the start.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Nekov on October 08, 2018, 08:49:09 AM
Apparently the Heat and the Wolves were very advanced in conversations to get the Buttler deal done but at the 11th hour Minnesotta asked for more than was being discussed and the deal broke off. This really looks as if Thibbs is torpedoing the deals to get more time with Buttler and see if he can fix things. I don't know how far that strategy will go..
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: King Postwhore on October 08, 2018, 12:27:35 PM
So during last year's playoff, I caught some grief by saying that the Cavs would still be a playoff team without LeBron.


They will DEFINITELY make the playoffs this year. Mark it down!!

You are going on this by the preseason?  Holy moly.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: TAC on October 08, 2018, 12:30:22 PM
So during last year's playoff, I caught some grief by saying that the Cavs would still be a playoff team without LeBron.


They will DEFINITELY make the playoffs this year. Mark it down!!

You are going on this by the preseason?  Holy moly.

I going by my keen basketball intellect.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: King Postwhore on October 08, 2018, 12:32:07 PM
The world is fucked then. :lol


Seriously though the east is weak and they should make the playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: KevShmev on October 08, 2018, 05:30:10 PM


I going by my keen basketball intellect.

Imaginary things don't count.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: TAC on October 08, 2018, 06:52:30 PM
You guys have brain envy.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: King Postwhore on October 08, 2018, 07:19:26 PM
You guys have brain envy.

Me have brain?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Azyiu on October 08, 2018, 07:23:15 PM
You guys have brain envy.

Me have brain?

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: TAC on October 08, 2018, 07:25:58 PM
 :metal
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on October 09, 2018, 07:57:50 AM
I could see the Cavs making the playoffs on pride alone. Not only were they called trash after LeBron left, but they were even called trash when he was there. :lol

If they play hard and avoid injuries, I could see them winning 40+ games.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Nekov on October 09, 2018, 08:58:59 AM
Given how weak the east is nowadays they might have a chance. We need to see whether Lue does actually have coaching skills and whether some of the players can shine now that they are out of Lebron's shadow.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Samsara on October 09, 2018, 09:20:48 AM
Apparently the Heat and the Wolves were very advanced in conversations to get the Buttler deal done but at the 11th hour Minnesotta asked for more than was being discussed and the deal broke off. This really looks as if Thibbs is torpedoing the deals to get more time with Buttler and see if he can fix things. I don't know how far that strategy will go..

I agree. This last one, apparently Miami caved to Richardson being in the deal (as they should, for Butler). Not sure what it was that broke the deal, but this continues to piss me off. Personally, I think Thibs and Layden's respective egos are coming into play, not what's best for the TWolves. The Wolves are in flux because of this whole thing and playing like ass. The sooner this drama is over, the better.

If Miami offered a pick and Richardson for Butler (which I am assuming they likely did), then the Wolves should take it, and move on. They have a four-day break prior to the last preseason game. Hopefully they re-engage, and get this done. It is beyond ridiculous, and honestly, I'm done with Butler, not to mention Thibs and Layden.

I am pretty confident that once the Butler mess is handled, if the Wolves don't look good to start the season, Taylor will fire both Layden and Thibs.

I could see the Cavs making the playoffs on pride alone. Not only were they called trash after LeBron left, but they were even called trash when he was there. :lol

If they play hard and avoid injuries, I could see them winning 40+ games.

I think the Cavs are certainly a playoff team. People forget that when an offense is centered on Kevin Love, he averages 25+ ppg. Add to that the other pieces on that team, plus a weak East, I see the Cavs getting into the playoffs as the 7th or 8th seed.

I see them as a .500 team as currently constructed. If they played in the West, that'd be a different story. But in the East, with that roster? 40, 41 wins.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Azyiu on October 09, 2018, 09:25:47 AM
I don't care about the Cavs, rather I am more interested to see what the T-Wolves are going to do next. The T-Wolves' ownership group has to decide:

A) Whether to sit Butler and release him AFTER 1st March, so he could not be on any playoffs roster for next spring's playoffs, if no other trade offer comes along.

AND/OR

B) Whether to keep Thibodeau as team Prez. I think he has been performing quite poorly as an executive over the past year or so.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Nekov on October 09, 2018, 09:47:55 AM
I've been reading some different perspectives about the T-wolves conundrum. What most analysts say is that Thibbs is not willing to go through a rebuild process because he is a coach that likes to win. As much as that makes sense, that conflicts with his role as Prez because that one requires for him to think of the franchise long term.
So right now he is making everything in his power to keep Buttler for some time and try to convince him to stay, which is unreal, or get equal value in return, which is not going to happen now that Buttler's request is out in the open. Taylor said he would get involved and I was surprised to read that he was part of the talks with Miami. Evidently he is not so eager to get Buttler out of the team.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Samsara on October 09, 2018, 12:50:46 PM
I don't care about the Cavs, rather I am more interested to see what the T-Wolves are going to do next. The T-Wolves' ownership group has to decide:

A) Whether to sit Butler and release him AFTER 1st March, so he could not be on any playoffs roster for next spring's playoffs, if no other trade offer comes along.

AND/OR

B) Whether to keep Thibodeau as team Prez. I think he has been performing quite poorly as an executive over the past year or so.

I don't think they have the guts to keep him on the roster, and make him stay away from the team the whole year (like the Knicks did with Joakim Noah). I mean, I get it, by March 1, then he won't come back to bite them in the ass this season. But the problem is, it'll become even a bigger league-wide distraction, which honestly, I don't think Glen Taylor wants any longer.

I suspect they will cave to the trade demand. It just depends who blinks first. Gonna be LAC or Miami.

I also think Taylor will fire Thibs as team Prez. But the problem is, if he does that, he has to basically get rid of him as coach too. Thibs' ego won't go for that. And Layden is just horrendous. So again, I think once the Butler mess is addressed, Taylor will fire Thibs AND Layden. Interim coach will be Flip Saunders' son, who is currently on the coaching staff.

I've been reading some different perspectives about the T-wolves conundrum. What most analysts say is that Thibbs is not willing to go through a rebuild process because he is a coach that likes to win. As much as that makes sense, that conflicts with his role as Prez because that one requires for him to think of the franchise long term.

Yep. Therein lies the conundrum. What I think Thibs is trying to do, is get the best of both worlds, by telling Jimmy to come play this year, and they'll work on something as the season goes along. What Thibs doesn't get, is that the two cornerstones of the team, as much as they are saying the right things publicly, DO NOT want Jimmy Butler back. And they both have close relationships with the team owner, Glen Taylor. That's why I think that ultimately, Butler will be gone, and so will Thibs and Layden. Taylor will step in.

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So right now he is making everything in his power to keep Buttler for some time and try to convince him to stay, which is unreal, or get equal value in return, which is not going to happen now that Buttler's request is out in the open. Taylor said he would get involved and I was surprised to read that he was part of the talks with Miami. Evidently he is not so eager to get Buttler out of the team.

You meant that you were surprised to read that Taylor was NOT part of the talks with Miami, right? I was too, honestly. But remember, Taylor has probably told Thibs and Layden that he will have final say on this, and to come to him when a deal is in place. I am absolutely sure, that if the owner of the Heat calls Taylor this week, and Taylor finds out that Thibs is truely stonewalling, as opposed to making a deal to help the team long term, Taylor will step in and do it.

It's also quite possible that by letting Thibs and Layden sink on this, he's setting them both up to be axed. That way, there's no narrative about the owner meddling. Its more the owner trying to let people run the team, those people make mistakes, owner swoops in and cleans house.

I love my team, but man, this drama sucks.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Nekov on October 09, 2018, 02:05:54 PM
According to Woj:

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Minnesota owner Glen Taylor and Miami owner Micky Arison had become involved in the talks and there was hope that a trade call with the league office could finalize a deal soon, until Minnesota moved to amend the framework of the trade and talks collapsed Saturday, league sources said.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24920173/timberwolves-trade-jimmy-butler-heat-falls-apart (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24920173/timberwolves-trade-jimmy-butler-heat-falls-apart)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Samsara on October 09, 2018, 02:50:13 PM
Ah, OK. I still think they'll get it done before the last pre-season game.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Indiscipline on October 11, 2018, 04:34:46 AM
Rest in peace, coach Tex Winter.  He's had his hand in 11 rings.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: T-ski on October 11, 2018, 09:24:37 AM
new Timberwolves logo...


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpMGAqdUwAAXoTn.png)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Nekov on October 11, 2018, 09:32:41 AM
 :rollin
Let's give them credit for putting some spice into the preseason
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Samsara on October 11, 2018, 09:59:06 AM
Christ. This team, I swear.

Here's the deal, what Butler did was pure Butler. Problem is, his old school mentality (which make no mistake Thibs loves) doesn't gel with Towns and Wiggins. This is a cluster fuck, and Taylor needs to grow a set and clean house. Last I checked, the 2012 Bulls won shit. And while I prefer old school, hard nosed play, its not working with today's players. Look at the teams winning -- GS, CLE, Boston...they buy into a system that supports them. Instead, Thibs forces his old team on the core of his new team, and creates tension.

Taylor needs to clean it all out...again.

FUCK.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Indiscipline on October 16, 2018, 06:13:04 AM
Opening night tonight. Boston - Phila is a given, the west coast game is gonna be hard to follow.

Gotta resume working on my sleep-deprivation skills.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Nekov on October 16, 2018, 06:34:00 AM
Yeah, really interesting opening game. I'll try to catch it tonight. West coast is nearly impossible given the hour difference though  :-\
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Azyiu on October 16, 2018, 06:37:09 AM
Y'all stop complaining about west coast games, lol!  :lol

I am going to Japan for 8 days first thing tomorrow morning, and I am likely going to miss the entire first week of the season!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Nekov on October 16, 2018, 06:48:28 AM
Y'all stop complaining about west coast games, lol!  :lol

I am going to Japan for 8 days first thing tomorrow morning, and I am likely going to miss the entire first week of the season!  :facepalm:

Why are you complaining? You'll be in Japan!! I'd miss half the season if I had the chance to get to know that country.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: Samsara on October 16, 2018, 09:15:53 AM
Welcome to a new season, fellow hoops junkies.  For fun, lets give our  predictions in each conference, and see where we are in the spring.

For me:

East

1. Celtics
2. Bucks
3. 76ers
4. Raptors
5. Wizards
6. Pacers
7. Pistons
8. Bulls
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9. Cavaliers
10. Hornets
11. Heat
12. Knicks
13. Magic
14. Nets
15. Hawks

West

1. Warriors
2. Jazz
3. Rockets
4. Trail Blazers
5. Nuggets
6. Pelicans
7. Lakers
8. Thunder
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9. Grizzlies
10. Mavericks
11. Spurs
12. Timberwolves
13. Clippers
14. Suns
15. Kings

>>>>My two teams are firmly in the 12 spot in each conference, of course.  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: T-ski on October 16, 2018, 02:40:52 PM
Bucks - Kidd + Budenholzer = Championship.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: Indiscipline on October 17, 2018, 05:28:48 AM
Jayson Tatum is the real deal. From skills to composure, everything screams alpha dog superstar.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: Nekov on October 17, 2018, 05:29:56 AM
Welp, that was a nice statement from the Celtics to start the season. A good game all around, guys being able to compensate for Irving's bad shooting, smothering defense... I think the Celtics will make the finals and might even give GSW a run for their money.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: Indiscipline on October 17, 2018, 05:37:15 AM
Welp, that was a nice statement from the Celtics to start the season. A good game all around, guys being able to compensate for Irving's bad shooting, smothering defense... I think the Celtics will make the finals and might even give GSW a run for their money.

It could happen, but the Celts must gun for home-court advantage in the finals in order to have a serious chance.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: King Postwhore on October 17, 2018, 06:33:45 AM
Welp, that was a nice statement from the Celtics to start the season. A good game all around, guys being able to compensate for Irving's bad shooting, smothering defense... I think the Celtics will make the finals and might even give GSW a run for their money.

Both scorers (Irving & Hayward) had a lot of rust and that game looked easy.  Liked Indiscipline said, Tatum has superstar written all over him.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: bosk1 on October 17, 2018, 07:40:44 AM
Meanwhile, the most beloved team in the NBA started off its 3-peat bid in style.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on October 17, 2018, 08:53:29 AM
Durant is great, but I think that Steph is their best player when healthy. Truly a joy to behold. Also, the Celtics looked really good. Excited to see them against my Raps on Friday.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: Samsara on October 17, 2018, 08:56:08 AM
Jayson Tatum is the real deal. From skills to composure, everything screams alpha dog superstar.

Agreed. He's got the complete game. And I forget just how long he is. The scary thing about Boston is the team's depth. I don't expect Rozier to stay past this season, but it won't matter if they sign AD, or someone else. That team is built to contend for a decade or more.

And what, no one wants to do the standings rankings? Fine. Bunch of lazy prog nerds.   :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: Indiscipline on October 17, 2018, 09:16:47 AM
And what, no one wants to do the standings rankings? Fine. Bunch of lazy prog nerds.   :lol

I'm tempted, but I'll do that after the winter trade window. I feel it's gonna be more balance-shifting than usual this year.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on October 18, 2018, 07:36:11 AM
The Raptors looked rusty but promising last night. Once Kawhi rounds into form, I think that we will be a 60-win caliber team. Here we go!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: Samsara on October 18, 2018, 09:20:26 AM
Wolves looked like the Wolves. Bad 4th quarter D, lack of rebounding, and just not getting it done. Might have been a different story if Towns hadn't fouled out with 8 pts and 9 rebs, but it is what it is.

Honestly, folks shouldn't fall asleep on the Spurs. DeRozan is a legit 25 ppg scorer, and so is Aldridge. You have two All Stars on that squad, great coaching, and role players that know their limits. I think they'll be a lot better than people think this year. As for my Wolves...Rose looked horrible, and Tyus Jones is not a legit NBA rotation player. Thibs didn't play Okogie, which is sorta ridiculous, given how bad Rose and Jones looked.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: Nekov on October 18, 2018, 11:13:29 AM
Don't blame it on Towns alone, Wiggins didn't look like he had any desire to play.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: jingle.boy on October 18, 2018, 11:17:09 AM
The Raptors looked rusty but promising last night. Once Kawhi rounds into form, I think that we will be a 60-win caliber team. Here we go!

Agreed... though it's hard to describe 24/13 as needing to 'round into form'.  Tomorrow vs the Celts ought to be fun.

Come at me TAC/King.  :bringiton:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: King Postwhore on October 18, 2018, 11:48:57 AM
The Raptors looked rusty but promising last night. Once Kawhi rounds into form, I think that we will be a 60-win caliber team. Here we go!

Agreed... though it's hard to describe 24/13 as needing to 'round into form'.  Tomorrow vs the Celts ought to be fun.

Come at me TAC/King.  :bringiton:

I'm on top.














I want to talk your breath away.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: Samsara on October 18, 2018, 12:39:52 PM
Don't blame it on Towns alone, Wiggins didn't look like he had any desire to play.

In the 4th. Wiggins played really well the first three quarters. Even hit a couple of 3s.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: jammindude on October 18, 2018, 03:17:57 PM
What the heck happened to the Rockets??? Are the Pelicans that good? Or did Houston just completely not show up for their own home opener?

I watched that game while I was recovering from a kidney stone procedure and I couldn’t figure out which was more painful. The final score doesn’t even reflect how bad it was. At one point the Rockets were down by 29, and the Pelicans basically phoned it in during the second half just to keep them at bay.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: Nekov on October 19, 2018, 06:19:53 AM
What the heck happened to the Rockets??? Are the Pelicans that good? Or did Houston just completely not show up for their own home opener?
I watched some of it. What happened is basically what everyone knew was going to happen. They lost Ariza and Mbah a Moute which leaves them with Tucker as the only really good defender. Their defense took two steps back and it showed when they switched and tried to double team. Add to that the fact that both Harden and Paul were not having a good offensive night and you've got a recipe for disaster.

Something similar happened to the Lakers yesterday, they allowed Portland to score way too much and shot bricks from 3 all night long. The shooting part doesn't surprise me given the roster they have, but it's just the start of the season and they are still getting to know each other. They should get better.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: Samsara on October 19, 2018, 10:32:28 AM
Houston's lack of D, and the Lakers' lack of a three-point threat is going to severely impact both those teams.

Adding Carmelo to Houston, even as a bench player, is a mistake. I can at least see what the Lakers are trying to do, but that move by Houston was DUMB. They should have paid Ariza.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: bosk1 on October 19, 2018, 02:02:50 PM
Houston's lack of D, and the Lakers' lack of a three-point threat is going to severely impact both those teams.

Adding Carmelo to Houston, even as a bench player, is a mistake. I can at least see what the Lakers are trying to do, but that move by Houston was DUMB. They should have paid Ariza.

Agreed.  Although it is WAY too early to start making predictions, I think Houston went from a team that could legitimately challenge the Warriors (and did so last season) back to just being a team that will probably get a high playoff seed, but not be a credible threat.  I think Utah may be in position to pass them up.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: jingle.boy on October 20, 2018, 05:02:16 AM
That was one helluva entertaining game last night.  Back and forth all night, until the Raps hit a couple of beautiful 3s from Green/Lowry (NOTHING but net - love that sound) and a 10-0 run in the final minutes - which was nice because they were 3-15 from three point land to start the game. Leonard was crap in the first half - iirc, he started 2 of 10... but still finished with another double-double at 31/10.  He missed some VERY easy shots, and could've easily had 40.  And dat double block with Green on Tatum to seal the win was VERY reminiscent of LeKing's block in the finals a few years back.

Man I wanted them to beat Boston so bad.  It's only game 2, but it made me jingle.happy.

In your face Shmegland!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: King Postwhore on October 20, 2018, 05:30:40 AM
 :lol

The C's look like they need to gel a little and also define some roles.  That will work itself out over a few weeks or so.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: jingle.boy on October 20, 2018, 08:24:48 AM
:lol

The C's look like they need to gel a little and also define some roles.  That will work itself out over a few weeks or so.

Oh for sure.  I mean, Tatum is still only in his 2nd year; Irving missed a bunch of time, and Hayward is only on his 2nd full game in 16 months - and they still outplayed the Raps for almost all of the 1st half, and held within a single possession until Green/Lowry hit back-to-back 3s with less than 3 minutes to go.

Gonna be another fun season.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers going for number 17
Post by: Indiscipline on October 20, 2018, 09:02:23 AM
The cost of putting Kyrie and Howard back into the fold is a mild knock on last season's stellar perimeter defense. I think that's what lost the game yesterday, but nothing Stevens can't fix.

I'm liking Nurse plenty, he seems to have found the perfect way to use Ibaka in that contest. Kawhi - judging a player on both ends of the floor - is Top 3 material right now.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: KevShmev on October 21, 2018, 06:50:39 PM
I knew Rondo was a douche, but getting himself suspended only two games into the season?  He has outperformed my expectations! :lol :lol

Chris Paul is not much better (also a mega douche).
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: King Postwhore on October 21, 2018, 06:51:38 PM
No surprise with Rondo at all.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: TAC on October 21, 2018, 07:05:22 PM
I knew Rondo was a douche, but getting himself suspended only two games into the season?  He has outperformed my expectations! :lol :lol


 :lol


So who got to Lavar Ball? Seems the Lakers going 0-2 without Lonzo starting would've been a perfect time for the old man to throw a shot at the Lakers. Seems Lebron might have told him the first word out of his mouth and Lonzo would be gone..
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: King Postwhore on October 21, 2018, 07:08:27 PM
Rondo spat in Paul's face.  I understand his rage.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: Samsara on October 22, 2018, 09:14:35 AM
Someone needs to tell Brandon Ingram to grow the F up. Just sayin'...

As for that whole "brawl," just put CP3 and Rondo in a fucking ring and be done with it. Anyone who has watched hoops over the last decade or so knows those two can't stand one another. THis was bound to happen. But man, what a great playoff matchup if they are seeded right and the Lakers get in.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: bosk1 on October 22, 2018, 09:43:42 AM
Assuming Rondo is still with them at that point.  I heard some analysis last week or the week before suggesting a mid-season trade where they get rid of him in favor of someone who would fit into a system better with LeBron.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: Samsara on October 22, 2018, 09:54:36 AM
Assuming Rondo is still with them at that point.  I heard some analysis last week or the week before suggesting a mid-season trade where they get rid of him in favor of someone who would fit into a system better with LeBron.

Seems to me he fit in just fine so far, particularly against Houston. But I think what just happened, considering it was James' best friend, will ultimately make Rondo a former Laker sooner than later. And if Ball does wonders during Rondo's suspension, I expect Rondo to never regain his starting spot.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: Samsara on October 23, 2018, 08:53:47 AM
Happy Wolves fan this morning. Solid effort against the Pacers. Best defensive effort I've seen out of that team in some time. Very much needed that win, as the team heads to Toronto tomorrow. Wiggins got hurt, but apparently he's good to go for Toronto. I expect him to have a big game (Leonard is going to guard Butler most likely, so that will be a great match-up).
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: T-ski on October 25, 2018, 08:22:50 AM
Bucks are 4-0 and bombing away from three.  Quite a departure from Jason Kidds philosophy of 'the closer to basket the easier to score'.

also Giannis....."I feel like so far I've been playing B basketball. I think I can be way better. I can help my teammates find open shots even more. And I'm going to keep trying to get better and try to make my teammates better."

His current averages: 29.2pts/15.6reb/7.4ast
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: Samsara on October 25, 2018, 09:27:19 AM
Giannnis will be MVP this year. Book it. Guy is a monster. When he learns how to rain 3s...the game might change forever. If he learns how to do it quick enough. The guy who deserves a ton more credit though is Kris Middleton. I've loved that guy since he came into the league. He's finally healthy and in a system that really is tailor-made for him, particularly with so much attention on Giannis. Bucks are going to crush. Might be some bumps on the road as they learn how to win, but if they can keep that core group together and healthy, and add here and there, they might win a title or two in the next seven or eight years.

Last night's Wolves-Raptors game was really good. It was a game of big runs back and forth. Basically, no one could stop Leonard, and little things killed the Wolves. JImmy Butler missed five free throws, and Okogie was like 0-9 in the first half. And Towns was offensively asleep for three quarters. Jimmy's bricks at the line, and some rookie mistakes, combined with Towns playing uncharacteristically poorly for three quarters really put the Wolves in the hole. Any one of those three guys improves on those errors, Wolves get a huge upset win. But credit to Toronto. They kept coming. And Leonard...looks unstoppable. He made Jimmy look like a rook when they were 1 on 1.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: bosk1 on October 25, 2018, 09:32:01 AM
Looking forward to Warriors/Raptors on 11/29.  It will be interesting to see how Leonard plays when faced with an elite defense with multiple elite defenders.

Oh, and:  51
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: Indiscipline on October 25, 2018, 09:34:56 AM
Leonard knows which passing line the passer is going to choose before the passer himself. I've never seen anybody channelling prime Scottie Pippen more faithfully.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: Samsara on October 25, 2018, 09:47:54 AM
Looking forward to Warriors/Raptors on 11/29.  It will be interesting to see how Leonard plays when faced with an elite defense with multiple elite defenders.

Oh, and:  51

I agree, the Warriors' defensive tandem of Durant and Green is going to challenge Leonard. Butler is on that level defensively, but the other Wolves aren't, so Leonard was brutal on switches.

I think Steph, if healthy, is going to have a great year. But I simply don't think he is going to win a third MVP award. I wouldn't be surprised if he did, but I don't think he will.

Leonard knows which passing line the passer is going to choose before the passer himself. I've never seen anybody channelling prime Scottie Pippen more faithfully.

Yeah, that's a good comparison. But I think Leonard is a better overall player than Scottie. I think he's elite offensively, whereas Scottie was very good offensively. If Leonard stays healthy for the rest of his career, and continues to play like this throughout the rest of his prime, he's a sure-fire lock for the HOF, and might be one of the best players of all time. A lot of ifs there, but the potential is certainly there. I mean, against Butler, I felt like Butler was outclassed completely...and Butler is an elite player. Not top-10, but top-15. Leonard was unphased.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: bosk1 on October 25, 2018, 10:12:01 AM
I think Steph, if healthy, is going to have a great year. But I simply don't think he is going to win a third MVP award. I wouldn't be surprised if he did, but I don't think he will.

Not that I am pitying him or anyone else on the Warriors one bit, but it is really tough to win an MVP award on a team that is that stacked and where the expectations are that high, whether he "deserves" it or not.  There was some really good discussion about that on KNBR early this morning as I was driving in, and I wholeheartedly agree.  It was basically what I said, but obviously went much deeper than that.  Where you have one guy that is *the* difference maker in terms of whether his team is a contender or a complete bust, that is where the MVP votes most often go.  And that's fair.  No complaints from me.  But part of me does wish he would get a bit of a harder look.  Curry is absolutely the MVP of the Warriors, notwithstanding Durant's addition.  I'm not sure a Durant/Thompson/Green-led team is a perennial championship contender.  I think a Durant-less Curry/Thompson/Green-led team is.  Curry makes the other players around him, Durant included, better.  And their scheme really is based around him, including the defense. 

And while we're on the subject, Curry does not get NEARLY the credit he deserves for his defensive skills.  He is, without a doubt, one of the best in his position on defense.  It's just that that gets overshadowed when you have the other defenders the Warriors have.  And it gets overshadowed when Curry looks so "small" when standing next to those other players.  But as I pointed out last championship series, for example, he was playing lights-out defense even when switched onto LeBron, the most dominant player in the game right now.  It wasn't flashy and didn't manifest itself in blocked shots.  But more often than not, he either directly made LeBron pass rather than shoot, or forced LeBron to where the defensive help was, which again often forced LeBron to pass rather than shoot. 

I would boil his defensive assets down to maybe three areas:  (1) He's deceptively strong for his size, and doesn't get backed down or pushed out of the play nearly as often as one might expect a player of his size.  (2) He is a very smart defensive player.  He understands angles and understands where his help is, as well as understanding when he is needed to provide help, and that alone takes away a lot of open looks for players that thrive on open looks or open lanes.  (3) He is really quick, which allows him to either steal or disrupt shots or dribbles, even if he doesn't get a steal or block on a given play.  It also helps him on switches and helps him get around screens that a lot of guys don't have the ability to avoid. 

Again, most of that isn't flashy, so it doesn't get noticed.  And it isn't likely to when you've got Green, Thompson, and Durant playing strong D as well.  But being the third best defender on this team is quite the accomplishment.  And when you couple that with what he brings on the offensive side of the ball and what he brings in terms of team chemistry, I can't say that anyone on the team is more valuable than him--not even Durant.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: Samsara on October 25, 2018, 10:44:24 AM
Curry is underrated defensively. If there was one knock, it was that he wasn't strong. But he's come back stronger this year. YOu just need to look at his body, and you see it. He's a pest on D, and needs more credit for it.

And yeah, completely agree on the logic behind how the MVP award votes go. Makes sense. I will say this about the Warriors. I think people forget sometimes -- The Warriors won an NBA title with Curry...before Durant came. Curry carried that team. He can do it again if need be (and he might in 2019-2020). I'm not saying Durant IS leaving, because personally, I think financially that's a dumb move. But I certainly could see him wondering if maybe he should be go back to where HE grew up, and maybe unite with John Wall and Bradley Beal and see if he can lead his hometown team to a title. If I were a betting man, I'd say he'd stay in GS. But nobody talks about the Wizards, and Durant's hometown. He's getting to that age where he might want to do something like that, like Lebron did when he came back to CLeveland to get it done.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: Indiscipline on October 25, 2018, 11:32:44 AM
Leonard knows which passing line the passer is going to choose before the passer himself. I've never seen anybody channelling prime Scottie Pippen more faithfully.

Yeah, that's a good comparison. But I think Leonard is a better overall player than Scottie. I think he's elite offensively, whereas Scottie was very good offensively...

I'm a bit on the fence about that. Kawhi seems the superior scorer so far (with a big asterisk due to different rules), while - again, so far - Scottie was the superior passer. We shall see. Anyway, HoF material.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: Samsara on October 25, 2018, 11:37:58 AM
You're right. I wasn't considering that. Good point.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: Samsara on October 26, 2018, 11:12:04 AM
Going from playing Toronto to playing Milwaukee does not make me a happy Wolves fan. Hopefully Giannis is a little less "freak" and more "human" tonight.  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2018, 11:15:54 AM
Patience.  It's a long season.  If they drop a string of games early on against tough teams, there is plenty of time to climb back into the mix.  But I certainly understand the sentiment.  Seeing OKC, Utah, Denver, and Washington on the Warriors' schedule in the first five games didn't exactly thrill me.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: King Postwhore on October 26, 2018, 11:45:48 AM
I can't believe OKC is 0-4!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: Samsara on October 26, 2018, 11:52:10 AM
Patience.  It's a long season.  If they drop a string of games early on against tough teams, there is plenty of time to climb back into the mix.  But I certainly understand the sentiment.  Seeing OKC, Utah, Denver, and Washington on the Warriors' schedule in the first five games didn't exactly thrill me.

Yeah, but your team is the Warriors, not the Timberwolves.  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: bosk1 on October 26, 2018, 05:04:36 PM
Go Dubs!
Go Mavs!
Go Clippers!
Go Wolves!
Go Nets!

Don't care about the rest.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: T-ski on October 26, 2018, 08:56:07 PM
Going from playing Toronto to playing Milwaukee does not make me a happy Wolves fan. Hopefully Giannis is a little less "freak" and more "human" tonight.  :lol

Giannis wasn't even a factor and the Bucks won by 30.   :)

I know I've mentioned it before, but people outside of Milwaukee just didn't understand how bad Jason Kidd was at coaching this team.  I don't expect this team to win 60+ games now, but they are legit to win the Eastern Conference now.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Durant still craving respect despite the media love
Post by: KevShmev on October 26, 2018, 10:02:56 PM
So during last year's playoff, I caught some grief by saying that the Cavs would still be a playoff team without LeBron.


They will DEFINITELY make the playoffs this year. Mark it down!!

Shall we assume their 0-5 start is a strategy where they make other teams think they are bad and think sneak up on them?

(https://www.quickmeme.com/img/2f/2f1ea702dc4f3f6d2057559d3f6b90a693d783860214d202cc910ed396c805dd.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Rockets and Lakers brawl
Post by: TAC on October 27, 2018, 04:53:06 PM
(https://catplanet.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Feel-better.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs (per TAC) now 0-6
Post by: KevShmev on October 27, 2018, 08:13:12 PM
Thread title updated.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs (per TAC) now 0-6
Post by: TAC on October 27, 2018, 08:15:23 PM
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Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs (per TAC) now 0-6
Post by: Azyiu on October 28, 2018, 01:37:17 AM
Thread title updated.  :tup :tup

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs (per TAC) now 0-6
Post by: T-ski on October 28, 2018, 09:09:49 AM
playoff bound Cavs just fired Lue.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs (per TAC) now 0-6
Post by: Azyiu on October 28, 2018, 05:48:10 PM
playoff bound Cavs just fired Lue.

...and Larry Drew wants commitment beyond this season to coach. Lovely. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs (per TAC) now 0-6
Post by: TAC on October 28, 2018, 06:47:25 PM
playoff bound Cavs just fired Lue.

They're gonna go on a run now! :neverusethis:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs (per TAC) now 0-6
Post by: Azyiu on October 28, 2018, 10:22:12 PM
Tomorrow's Raptors @ Bucks should be fun... two unbeaten teams going head-to-head. Leonard vs The Greek Freak... Damn!  :metal
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs (per TAC) now 0-6
Post by: jingle.boy on October 29, 2018, 05:48:16 AM
Tomorrow's Raptors @ Bucks should be fun... two unbeaten teams going head-to-head. Leonard vs The Greek Freak... Damn!  :metal

Yeah... I'm thinking I'm gonna watch this over the Leafs game.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs (per TAC) now 0-6
Post by: Samsara on October 29, 2018, 07:53:37 AM
Tomorrow's Raptors @ Bucks should be fun... two unbeaten teams going head-to-head. Leonard vs The Greek Freak... Damn!  :metal

Great match up. I'll be watching the Wolves, but will flip to it.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs (per TAC) now 0-6
Post by: jingle.boy on October 29, 2018, 08:22:53 AM
Suggestions for free online places to watch?  TSN is contracted to show MNF, and Sportsnet doesn't have Raptors rights on Monday's.  I don't have access to the Raptors game on local/broadcast TV.   >:( :censored
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs (per TAC) now 0-6
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on October 29, 2018, 08:39:15 AM
Suggestions for free online places to watch?  TSN is contracted to show MNF, and Sportsnet doesn't have Raptors rights on Monday's.  I don't have access to the Raptors game on local/broadcast TV.   >:( :censored

It's not free, but I believe you can purchase individual games from the NBA for six or seven bucks a pop. It's a terrible value if you are planning on doing it often, but for a game every month or so, might be worth it.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs (per TAC) now 0-6
Post by: jingle.boy on October 29, 2018, 09:00:53 AM
Suggestions for free online places to watch?  TSN is contracted to show MNF, and Sportsnet doesn't have Raptors rights on Monday's.  I don't have access to the Raptors game on local/broadcast TV.   >:( :censored

It's not free, but I believe you can purchase individual games from the NBA for six or seven bucks a pop. It's a terrible value if you are planning on doing it often, but for a game every month or so, might be worth it.

7th game of the regular season ain't worth spending any meaningful money.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs (per TAC) now 0-6
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on October 29, 2018, 01:24:46 PM
Suggestions for free online places to watch?  TSN is contracted to show MNF, and Sportsnet doesn't have Raptors rights on Monday's.  I don't have access to the Raptors game on local/broadcast TV.   >:( :censored

It's not free, but I believe you can purchase individual games from the NBA for six or seven bucks a pop. It's a terrible value if you are planning on doing it often, but for a game every month or so, might be worth it.

7th game of the regular season ain't worth spending any meaningful money.

I believe Kawhi is out too, so put another tally in the "skip it" column. :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs (per TAC) now 0-6
Post by: T-ski on October 29, 2018, 02:33:53 PM
Tomorrow's Raptors @ Bucks should be fun... two unbeaten teams going head-to-head. Leonard vs The Greek Freak... Damn!  :metal

both Giannis and Kawhi not playing.  too bad, would have made a great early season game even better.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs (per TAC) now 0-6
Post by: Samsara on October 29, 2018, 02:46:56 PM
Are they hurt, or is this just "rest?" If it is the latter, that is absolutely ridiculous. Marquee match up, with two of the league's best players, and they are healthy scratches? WTF?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs (per TAC) now 0-6
Post by: T-ski on October 29, 2018, 02:49:18 PM
Are they hurt, or is this just "rest?" If it is the latter, that is absolutely ridiculous. Marquee match up, with two of the league's best players, and they are healthy scratches? WTF?

Giannis got popped in the head Saturday night, he might be in concussion protocol.  Don't know about Kawhi.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs (per TAC) now 0-6
Post by: Azyiu on October 29, 2018, 05:05:27 PM
Leonard is resting... what a let down to an otherwise great early season match up.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs (per TAC) now 0-6
Post by: Lonk on October 29, 2018, 07:32:34 PM
92 points in the first half  :corn
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs (per TAC) now 0-6
Post by: lonestar on October 29, 2018, 09:07:02 PM
92 points in the first half  :corn

Klay Thompson....just damn man...
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: T-ski on October 29, 2018, 09:15:11 PM
if you had the Milwaukee Bucks as the last undefeated team to start the season raise your hand.

(https://i.cbc.ca/1.3809149.1533825450!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/classroom-students-desks-class-elementary.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Samsara on October 30, 2018, 08:18:57 AM
Klay...was incredible. What a show.

Felt good for the Wolves to pop the Lakers in the mouth. Butler had ice in his veins, and KAT was a demon. Nice to get a win.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Azyiu on October 30, 2018, 08:54:41 AM
I am not happy with the NBA League Pass right now. In fact, I find the quality of their products in this season is only regressing.  >:(

Case in point, the Warriors @ Bulls game was not even in its entirety at all! The 1st qtr was either not in its entirety or was completely missing across different platforms (Apple TV, mobile and PC)! Yes, I checked them all! There is no excuse for such poor product, when they charge full price and kept promoting the 3pts FGM and all.

Worse of all, I was told starting this season they will no longer provide access to old games for international subscribers! I was not even told about this change, when they invited me to renew. Their CS is out sourced to a company called Zendesk; and they really can't do a thing for me. This is terrible!  :censored
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Samsara on October 30, 2018, 09:13:03 AM
Sorry to hear that. I took a chance and got League Pass again, after being disappointed and getting a refund on it last year. I think the quality still lacks, but it is better than last year. I hope the situation sorts out for you.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Implode on October 30, 2018, 09:13:23 AM
Finally Bucks seem to be showing their true potential!  :metal
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: TAC on October 30, 2018, 07:15:27 PM
Blake Griffin is a different player this year. He looks healthy, leaner, and way more involved.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Azyiu on October 30, 2018, 08:31:48 PM
Blake Griffin is a different player this year. He looks healthy, leaner, and way more involved.

Right on cue, BG literally threw the game away with a poor inbound pass with 10 seconds left in the 4th qtr @ Celtics  :lol

In other news, the Cavs' playoffs run starts tonight with a W vs the Hawks!  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: TAC on October 31, 2018, 05:35:50 AM
Blake Griffin is a different player this year. He looks healthy, leaner, and way more involved.

Right on cue, BG literally threw the game away with a poor inbound pass with 10 seconds left in the 4th qtr @ Celtics  :lol

 :facepalm:

After watching him play two straight games against the Celts, I thought he was pretty intense.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Samsara on October 31, 2018, 08:45:38 AM
BG is playing insane so far this year. Nice to see. I like that combo of him and Drummond (who has really come into his own offensively). The talking heads on NBA radio don't think it is going to work, but I do. I think they play off each other nicely. That team needs to get rid of Reggie Jackson. Apparently the guy is a drama queen and head case that gives up? I have seen him play in the past, but not this year. If he's all pissy, get rid of him and start Ish Smith. He's a better point guard anyway.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Azyiu on October 31, 2018, 08:27:18 PM
If y'all are either BG fans or Pistons fans in general, I suggest y'all stop praising him or the team for now... right on cue once more, the Nets beat the Pistons tonight, lol.  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Samsara on November 01, 2018, 07:53:30 AM
DERRICK. ROSE.

I never want to hear Minny fans, and media members bitch again about signing D.Rose last year, or re-upping this year on a vet's minimum. Dude plays his heart out every night, and finally got something huge. Really happy for him. Great win for Minnesota, and to watch that game, and watch with how much energy the team played -- it was great. KAT was no slouch either with 28/16, and Wigs popped for 19 in his first game back.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Samsara on November 02, 2018, 08:22:41 AM
So, I was tempted to go to the Wolves-Warriors game tonight. But then it dawned on me -- top dollar to watch my team get slaughtered probably isn't a good investment of funds. I'll just watch it on TV and pray for a miracle. Go Wolves!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: T-ski on November 02, 2018, 09:29:26 AM
looks like it'll take 24 threes to get past the Bucks this season.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: bosk1 on November 02, 2018, 09:31:44 AM
So...you're saying the Warriors should have a win in the bag by halftime then?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Lonk on November 02, 2018, 09:32:15 AM
DERRICK. ROSE.

I never want to hear Minny fans, and media members bitch again about signing D.Rose last year, or re-upping this year on a vet's minimum. Dude plays his heart out every night, and finally got something huge. Really happy for him. Great win for Minnesota, and to watch that game, and watch with how much energy the team played -- it was great. KAT was no slouch either with 28/16, and Wigs popped for 19 in his first game back.

I always liked D. Rose. He had a few rough years but he is still a pretty good player. I think the Knicks and the Cavs didn't utilize him properly (even though it seems he didn't put much effort either).
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: King Postwhore on November 02, 2018, 09:56:53 AM
Good win against an undefeated team in the Bucks last night for the C's.  Holy 3 pointers though.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: T-ski on November 02, 2018, 10:23:00 AM
So...you're saying the Warriors should have a win in the bag by halftime then?  :biggrin:

going to have to do better than their current 13 3's a game.  ;)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Samsara on November 02, 2018, 10:43:01 AM
So...you're saying the Warriors should have a win in the bag by halftime then?  :biggrin:

My guess is - Warriors 135   Wolves 112

And thats with the Warriors pulling the starters after the third quarter. I love my Wolves, and they always seem to play well against the Warriors, but with the Butler drama, and the Warriors playing at an incredibly high level this early in the season, I don't have a lot of faith in the Pack tonight.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Samsara on November 08, 2018, 09:05:38 AM
Just wanted to extend the middle finger to the refs for handing Lebron a win last night.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: dparrott on November 08, 2018, 10:42:15 PM
Miami Heat Vice gear in black is now available!
https://www.nba.com/heat/1819-heat-vice-uniform-collection

They've gone crazy with so much swag!  I want it all.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: T-ski on November 09, 2018, 07:36:39 AM
how about them Bucks Bosk?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Aefenwelg on November 09, 2018, 09:02:54 AM
The obvious reply is something about Draymond not playing. Which is probably legitimate, he's a huge part of both their offense and defense.
I really like the Bucks though, and hope they make it out of the East.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Samsara on November 09, 2018, 09:25:54 AM
Miami Heat Vice gear in black is now available!
https://www.nba.com/heat/1819-heat-vice-uniform-collection

They've gone crazy with so much swag!  I want it all.

We picked up the Prince-inspired city edition jerseys for the Timberwolves. They look so bad ass.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1881/8763/files/TW_City_Store_Banners_1920x800_152b1d20-5d7f-47a1-854d-af1fa1e923cb_2592x.jpg?v=1541776822)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: TAC on November 09, 2018, 09:26:54 AM
What is "MPLS"?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Samsara on November 09, 2018, 11:42:25 AM
What is "MPLS"?

Minneapolis

p.s. On a related note, I went through my jersey collection today (which is a lot smaller these days) for the Wolves. Here's what I have:

1989 home replica (Champion) #19 Tony Campbell - unwearable, its a mens size Small...my daughter sports it once in awhile.
1997-1998 (I forget the year) away replicate (Champion) #24 Tom Gugliotta
2016 Adidas away replica #19 Tony Campbell (custom) -- tough to wear, because by mistake it was ordered with an extra two inches of lengh...remember, I'm a really short guy. ha ha ha ha.
2016 Adidas away replica #21 - Kevin Garnett
2016 Adidas away replica #8 - Zach Lavine
2016 Adidas away replica #22 - Andrew Wiggins
2017 - Nike swingman neon green #32 - Karl Anthony Towns
2018 - Nike swingman City Edition, Prince inspired  #32 - Karl Anthony Towns
2018 - Nike Hardwood Classic Edition #32 (Black with green trim) - Karl Anthony Towns

>>>I have two that I still want, but I don't think I'll be able to find in size Large (which is what I wear). I asked Santa though, so who knows what the jolly fat dude may find.

The 2017 City Edition (gray) Wolves jersey for #22 Andrew Wiggins
The  #21 Kevin Garnett Minnesota Timberwolves Mitchell & Ness 1995-96 Hardwood Classics Swingman Jersey – Blue

So, out of the nine I have, I generally can wear seven of them, and try to rotate them throughout the season. I tend to go to two Wolves games a year, and then wear the other jerseys on the days of big games (like last year in the playoffs I was a walking T'Wolves billboard).

And I have a Porzingis replica from my Knicks. I go to one Knicks game a year, and wear it then. Hoping, in time, there will be another jersey or two to add.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: TAC on November 09, 2018, 11:44:50 AM
Thanks SMSR!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Samsara on November 09, 2018, 11:54:33 AM
Thanks SMSR!

You got it...err...TAC. Damn it.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: bosk1 on November 09, 2018, 12:28:19 PM
how about them Bucks Bosk?

Good win for them.  They are legit.  :tup  I could say more, but I'll just leave it at that because I don't want to sound like I am in any way taking away from how good they look this year.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: jingle.boy on November 09, 2018, 12:53:36 PM
Quote from: Kawhi Leonard
With me not even knowing some of the offence, we have Kyle (Lowry) in the game most of the time and he's controlling the ball and most of the tempo.

"I feel like once I start learning the offence I could even give him a little break and let him get some easier shots even though he's playing well."

11-1, and he doesn't feel he knows the offense!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Lonk on November 10, 2018, 10:58:32 AM
Butler to philly
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Azyiu on November 10, 2018, 11:01:42 AM
Looks like the T-Wolves have had enough and decided to trade Butler to the 76ers for Saric and Covington. The T-Wolves had dragged this thing for way too long. While both Saric and Covington are solid players, they could have gotten much much better deal back in Oct
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on November 10, 2018, 01:05:39 PM
Yes! Welcome to Philly. Please don't be a cancer
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: T-ski on November 10, 2018, 02:38:27 PM
just what Philly needed, another ball dominant player.

also, teams are just going to clog the lane cause Redick is the only other threat outside Butler to shoot from three.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Indiscipline on November 12, 2018, 04:33:07 AM
Minnesota won this trade. Covington could allow Wiggins to be Wiggins, and Saric could be a great hi-lo partner to KAT.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Nekov on November 12, 2018, 05:03:24 AM
Minnesota won this trade. Covington could allow Wiggins to be Wiggins, and Saric could be a great hi-lo partner to KAT.

Agree with this 100%. Philly lost a great 3 point shooter in Covington and and real good stretch 4. And as T-Ski points out, Butler is a ball dominant player on a team that already has Simmons and Embid. And add to that the fact that he can walk out next year. I really liked Philly but I honestly feel the Process is dead.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Azyiu on November 12, 2018, 07:22:09 PM
Sad to learn about Caris LeVert's leg injury... I don't have the heart or stomach to watch the video...
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Samsara on November 13, 2018, 09:47:43 AM
Woo hoo, Wolves 1-0 in the post-General Soreness era.  :lol

Being what I think is the forum's only T-Wolves fanatic, I have to say, anyone criticizing the trade from the here and now perspective is off base. Covington and Saric give the Wolves depth, 3-pt shooting, and defense (particularly Covington). The trade is a win in many ways. I was at Butler's last game with the Wolves on Friday. It was a loss, but they finally ran the offense through KAT from the very start, and KAT went 39 pts and 19 rebounds. They lost because when the Kings double-teamed him, and he kicked it out, no one on the Wolves (who were without WIggins and TEague) could make a shot. And Butler was not even trying to play.

SO GLAD it is over. And last night, more of the same -- offense through KAT, and this time, they won. This is going to be good for the Wolves. Sure, I don't like the fact that we traded Lavine and Lauri Markkenen (and didn't like that from the start) for Butler, but there's nothing that can be done with that. But from the perspective of what we have right now, that was a really good trade and gives Minnesota a lot of what it needs.

Last night's game against the Nets -- man, that Levert play...I saw it live, and man. Not good. I feel for that kid. I have been following him since last year when I saw him go off a little bit, and he's really, really good. He was the Nets' leading scorer this year and the future looked great for him. Such a shame. I hope he is back at some point next year from this injury, and picks back up where he left off. Man, what a tough situation.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Samsara on November 13, 2018, 12:11:07 PM
Update:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25266949/caris-levert-brooklyn-nets-suffers-dislocated-right-foot

Thank God there are no breaks, and the guy will return this season.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Samsara on November 13, 2018, 07:35:18 PM
About the whole Draymond suspension. It is about time. I am sorry,  but that guy needs to realize he is a supporting piece to three future hall of famers. he is a star only because of those three and the successy they led the warriors to.

green is an important player, but seriously, he is  basically riding the coattails of 3 hofers, and a great offensive system. he needs to shut his mouth and know his role.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Azyiu on November 13, 2018, 07:40:39 PM
The Warriors' infighting is music to my ears, and the rest of the Western conference, lol!  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Lonk on November 13, 2018, 08:25:50 PM
The warriors fighting is nothing new. I get it that this time was worse than before, but all these will be forgotten in a few weeks.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on November 14, 2018, 07:19:32 AM
About the whole Draymond suspension. It is about time. I am sorry,  but that guy needs to realize he is a supporting piece to three future hall of famers. he is a star only because of those three and the successy they led the warriors to.

green is an important player, but seriously, he is  basically riding the coattails of 3 hofers, and a great offensive system. he needs to shut his mouth and know his role.

Agree that Draymond needs to chill. Disagree that he is riding anyone's coattails. While he obviously benefits from being on such a great team, he would be an all-league defender anywhere. If memory serves, he actually has the best Plus/Minus (or Adjusted P/M) of any Warrior these past four years. It hurts me to say it because the guy is super annoying, but he is a damn fine player, IMO.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Samsara on November 14, 2018, 08:03:12 AM
He's a fine player, and a great defensive stopper. But he's only an All Star because of who he plays with. If the guy was the focal point of a team, and was double-teamed, he'd be crushed.

The more I watch the guy, the more he reminds me of Anthony Mason back in his prime with the Knicks. Donnie Nelson was coaching, and deployed him as a "point forward." Mason was an incredibly gifted passer, played great defense, and could orchestrate the team. He was Green, before Green was Green. Mason was a gifted role player, nothing more. And that is what Green is. He could never be the top dog on any team. And while I applaud him for playing with a chip on his shoulder (because he knows it, and he plays hard to prove he belongs), the fact of the matter is, Draymond Green is only successful because of the people around him. I think he's starter quality, but more of a "role player PLUS" in quality. Meanwhile, Durant, Steph, and Thompson are All Star, if not HOF talent...with or without Draymond Green.

Dude can be replaced by anyone else with the same skill set (take Sabonis off Indiana, for example), and the team wouldn't miss a beat. Draymond needs to shut up and ball, and realize he's fourth on the pecking order, and should act like it and support the other players who are more talented on the offensive end...and not bitch.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Samsara on November 14, 2018, 12:55:58 PM
re: KD

https://nypost.com/2018/11/14/lipreading-and-stunning-quote-make-it-appear-kevin-durants-a-goner/

>>>>The Post is a rag, but...that is what it appears Durant says. And unlike Klay, who continually has stated he wants to be in GS, Durant has not outright said that at all.

I expect KD to leave. As a Knicks fan, obviously, I want every free agent to either go there, or to my #1 Wolves (hahahaha). But I don't see KD heading to New York. I just don't see it. You know where I see him going? Back to Oklahoma City. Seriously.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on November 14, 2018, 12:59:35 PM
I just want him to go somewhere else. The Warriors are almost unbeatable with him. Last year, they beat a 65-win, historically-great Rockets team even though Steph was hindered by injury and Andre barely played. Please just go somewhere else KD and give my Raptors a chance. :(
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Samsara on November 14, 2018, 01:06:54 PM
I just want him to go somewhere else. The Warriors are almost unbeatable with him. Last year, they beat a 65-win, historically-great Rockets team even though Steph was hindered by injury and Andre barely played. Please just go somewhere else KD and give my Raptors a chance. :(

The Raptors are legit. For your sake, I hope Leonard likes it there and stays. Great fans, great arena and town.

However, although I know Lowry is playing well -- you guys gotta get younger. I just don't see him being the Robin to Leonard's Batman.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on November 15, 2018, 09:03:20 AM
Lowry only has one or two elite years left, which I think coincides pretty closely with his contract. If he is going to continue playing like a top twenty player, you gotta keep him. I have no problem riding this out.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: jingle.boy on November 15, 2018, 09:17:57 AM
Boy, the Raptors choked that one away last night.  16 point 4th Quarter!??!?!  Leonard with a really painful gaff to turn it over with 2 secs.

Great final play to win it though.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Playoff-bound Cavs 0-6 and fired their coach
Post by: Samsara on November 15, 2018, 09:27:10 AM
Lowry only has one or two elite years left, which I think coincides pretty closely with his contract. If he is going to continue playing like a top twenty player, you gotta keep him. I have no problem riding this out.

For sure he can keep it up for a couple years. But if Leonard re-signs, does he really want to be in the middle of a five-year contract, in his prime, with a 34-going on 35 year-old PG with 14, 15 years in the league?

I think Lowry is playing stellar, but looking long term, who on the roster can inevitably take over for him at that juncture when he'll clearly slow down? (it's not like Lebron or a big SF that can slide to an undersized PF -- Lowry is a PG, plain and simple.) Van Fleet? Maybe, but he's up for an extension this summer, isn't he? Gonna have to pay the kid top dollar (which may be tough if you are going to give Leonard 190 million) to be a backup for a few years.

Just some stuff to think about. It's clear they are going to ride Lowry this year, and they should. But you're going to have to figure out how to reduce the age of that roster in order to realistically sign Leonard to a max deal. Danny Green is 31, and is more of a role player than a starter (even though he starts). You've got an old backcourt, and that really needs to be addressed (if I were Leonard's agent).

I am rooting for the Raptors. I hope they win the title this year, as I really think that fan base, and those players deserve it. But your GM, whose name I can't remember how to spell has his work cut out for him to lock in Leonard long-term.

p.s. Pistons had to win that game last night. Only fair, after the Raps axed Dwane Casey (which I think was the right move, but Casey is a dynamite coach). Was happy for him.

Oh, and p.p.s. Wolves now 2-0 in post-General Soreness era. They looked amazingly good in the first half, and then hung on to win it. KAT and Wigs look like they did before Butler came in, which is EXACTLY what I was hoping for. With Wigs now back at the 2 guard spot, and Covington playing SF and bombing away, it opens up things for WIgs to do his thing.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors in-fighting
Post by: Lonk on November 18, 2018, 08:06:24 PM
I don’t know who to believe. One article says that 3 teams are interested in Melo (Lakers, Blazers and Pelicans), yet another articles says lakers are not interested, and Philly is showing interest.

I think he could help philly if he comes off the bench, plays 15-20 mins and can average 10pts. I don’t think any other team has a need for Melo.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors in-fighting
Post by: Azyiu on November 18, 2018, 08:11:31 PM
I don’t know who to believe. One article says that 3 teams are interested in Melo (Lakers, Blazers and Pelicans), yet another articles says lakers are not interested, and Philly is showing interest.

I think he could help philly if he comes off the bench, plays 15-20 mins and can average 10pts. I don’t think any other team has a need for Melo.

Bottomline, if he doesn't surrender his ego and accept a bench / vet role, his NBA career might as well be over.

Meanwhile, I am very interested to know how the Warriors are going to react, after losing 4 of 5 since the Dray-KD cat fight.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors in-fighting
Post by: KevShmev on November 19, 2018, 05:04:26 PM
Not sure the Green/Durant dispute will get totally solved, as those who know him say that Durant is a really sensitive guy who holds grudges, so I doubt he will get over what Green said to him, but when they are all on the court, they have too much talent to not win.

The Warriors will start winning again once Curry is back.  We are seeing once again that he is by far the Warriors' most valuable player. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors in-fighting
Post by: Nekov on November 20, 2018, 05:10:30 AM
And now the Wizards seem to be imploding. The off-court drama this season is compensating for the huge amount of blowout games we are having this season thanks to the new rule change.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors in-fighting
Post by: dparrott on November 20, 2018, 08:07:27 AM
Kemba Walker has a 60 point game followed by a 43 point game! :metal

Meanwhile, the Miami Heat's black vice uniforms look great, but they can't get a win.   :-\
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors in-fighting
Post by: Azyiu on November 20, 2018, 07:55:42 PM
As I was playing RDR2, I couldn't help but think Gilbert Arenas must be a big fan of this game too... he loves guns and gambling so much, lol!!  :lol

Oops, I mean what a rollercoaster few days for the Wiz... it must sucks to be a Wiz fan.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors in-fighting
Post by: TAC on November 20, 2018, 08:17:53 PM
As I was playing RDR2,

(https://www.sideshowtoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/star-wars-r2-d2-deluxe-sixth-scale-figure-feature-2172.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors in-fighting
Post by: Azyiu on November 24, 2018, 08:24:34 PM
JR is the new Jimmy Butler... the playoffs-bound Cavs start winning without him, lol!!  :lol  :lol  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors in-fighting
Post by: TAC on November 24, 2018, 08:29:25 PM
Cavs two in a row! :metal
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors in-fighting
Post by: Samsara on November 26, 2018, 08:47:21 AM
Cavs two in a row! :metal

That streak will be broken tonight. GO WOLVES!  :metal

My pups are looking good right now. True, they beat Chicago the other night, but they are playing well, and they got that win with two starters going like a combined 1-30, I believe (Wiggins was 0-12, and Covington was 1-18). 10 more of those shots go down, they beat the Bulls by 30 pts.

Everyone in Boston is probably nuts about the Celtics woes. Boston media is what it is. The C's will be fine. They just need to focus on figuring out roles. Tough to see Hayward go to the second unit, but if that enables him to thrive, then you gotta do it. This team needs to prioritize the offense with Irving first, followed by Tatum. Those are the guys that both need to put up 18-20 shots a game. Everyone else should be in a supporting role. The "Big 3" model is great, but Cs fans (not you TAC, but in general) seem to forget that Big 3 model was with guys at the end of their careers...so there was no ego. None at all. They just did what they did to win. These Celtics are in their prime or younger, so the egos flare a little bit, which is only natural.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: dparrott on November 28, 2018, 01:01:52 AM
Miami are the best looking losers in the league.  All this big deal about their new Vice uniform and they are 0-6 wearing them.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 28, 2018, 04:35:35 AM
Big ass comeback by the Raps last night.  It's pretty incredible to think the Raps could be 20-2 if they had hit the last shot opportunities they had in the Pistons and Celtics losses.  Tomorrow's gonna be a revealing game... for both the Raptors and the Dubs. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: bosk1 on November 28, 2018, 07:41:45 AM
Tomorrow's gonna be a revealing game... for both the Raptors and the Dubs.

I actually don't think it is.  Yes, I initially had it circled on the calendar, figuratively speaking.  But the reality is that the Warriors are still missing two HUGE parts of their starting lineup in Green and Curry.  Win or lose, I don't think it will be all that "revealing" because it isn't representative of the team that will be playing the Raptors again later in the season.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 28, 2018, 07:53:38 AM
Tomorrow's gonna be a revealing game... for both the Raptors and the Dubs.

I actually don't think it is.  Yes, I initially had it circled on the calendar, figuratively speaking.  But the reality is that the Warriors are still missing two HUGE parts of their starting lineup in Green and Curry.  Win or lose, I don't think it will be all that "revealing" because it isn't representative of the team that will be playing the Raptors again later in the season.

Fair point... I hadn't been following the injuries.  Though, if the Dubs win, it will be revealing.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: bosk1 on November 28, 2018, 07:59:05 AM
Could be.  For me, if they won, I would just feel like, "Wow, we stole one." 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on November 28, 2018, 08:05:40 AM
That game will tell us absolutely nothing if Steph isn't playing. If he is, it will. Plus...regular season. Yawn.

On the way into the office I was listening to NBA Radio, and Frank Isola and Brian Scalabrine were talking about how its really hard to judge just how good a team is against the Warriors, because EVERY team gets up to play them. So the Dubs end up playing a team hellbent on killing them each night. And to the Dubs, its just a regular season game. Such is life as the champs. The Warriors will be in the finals, or should I say, at least in the Western Conference Finals. That's a shoe-in.

The Raps just need to keep gelling. I really like what I see. Van Fleet is developing, and if Lowry and Leonard can keep doing their thing, and they stay healthy, I only really give them, the Sixers, and Boston a chance in the East.

p.s. Memphis is going to create problems in the West. Nice to see one of my favorite players, Mike Conley, healthy and playing great, along with Marc "I've been old since I was a rookie" Gasol having a great year. That rookie Jackson is going to be something special for them, and if he develops further this season, that's a three headed defensive monster NO ONE will want to play.

My Wolves play the Spurs tonight. Always tough against a Pop-coached squad. Not sure of the odds, but Minnesota is deeper, and so I am hoping if Towns and Rose/Wiggins can cancel out Aldridge and Derozan, Minny's depth will help them get the win. Expecting a big game from Wigs tonight. The guy drives me nuts. He can score at any time he wants. No one can stop him driving to the hole. He just...doesn't do it. I hope that changes starting tonight.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: bosk1 on November 28, 2018, 08:11:23 AM
That game will tell us absolutely nothing if Steph isn't playing. If he is, it will.

Maybe.  Hard to say.  For me, I try not to take a game too seriously where a player that has been out for an extended period is cleared to return on game day.  You just aren't usually getting that player at top form, so I'm not sure how good an indicator it is.  I mean, if he's cleared, he could come out and light it up with 50 points.  Or he could score hardly any himself, but create endless open shots and other opportunities for his teammates by his off-ball movement.  Or he could come out and be a liability because he isn't yet 100% mentally or physically.  Hard to say.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on November 28, 2018, 09:20:36 AM
From what I heard, he's been practicing, so its not like he's not in rhythm. With a vet like Steph, I don't think he'd play unless he's absolutely ready to BE Steph Curry. Same with all those Warriors guys. They get on the floor when they are ready to go 100 percent like nothing happened. They have that luxury.

Should be a good game though.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: bosk1 on November 28, 2018, 09:41:50 AM
From what I heard, he's been practicing, so its not like he's not in rhythm. With a vet like Steph, I don't think he'd play unless he's absolutely ready to BE Steph Curry. Same with all those Warriors guys. They get on the floor when they are ready to go 100 percent like nothing happened. They have that luxury.

I don't disagree that that is how it should be.  And I think that is where the team wants to be.  But, not just in basketball, but in pro sports in general, how many stories have you heard about guys that were less than 100% that either intentionally or subconsciously portrayed that they were less effected by an injury than they actually were because they just wanted to get out there and play?  And Steph is definitely guilty of that in the past.  So I just don't want to assume anything is all I'm saying.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on November 29, 2018, 08:47:06 AM
Jimmy Butler to the Wolves - "YOU CAN'T WIN WITHOUT ME! YOU NEED ME."

Uh huh. from 4-9 to 11-11.

Suck it, Buckets.

What a great ass kicking of the Spurs last night. The Wolves were on fire all night long. Thibs even stopped barking and actually sat down with about 7 minutes left in the fourth. I even saw him restrain a smile. hahahaha. Bring on Boston on Saturday.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 29, 2018, 09:41:17 AM
The record of Raps vs Spurs has quickly dissolved any of the anger Toronto fans had about the trade.

And Curry is officially out for tonight.  Bummer, I wanted to see how it would go down with him in the lineup.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 30, 2018, 05:49:06 AM
My god that was a fantastically entertaining game last night.  I was convinced the Raps would let it slip away like they did with the Boston OT loss, but managed to squeak it out.  KD was ridiculous - that last corner 3 to tie it was remarkable.  He was undefendable... just too damned good.  The Dubs defense was a blanket in the 3rd (compared to the 1st half).  Took a solid team effort to pull that one off.

12/12 rematch - coming off a back-to-back game in LA, it'll be interesting to see if Nurse sits Leonard as he as been on back-to-back games... if so, maybe Leonard will sit against LeKing?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on December 03, 2018, 08:21:29 AM
Wolves losing to the Celtics wasn't surprising. Tough matchup for the Pups tonight against Houston. Hoping they can bounce back against Harden and company. We'll see.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: T-ski on December 03, 2018, 09:05:31 AM
Bulls fired Fred Hoiberg.

Interesting note about this is that Jabari Parker will now be under his 4th different head coach since the beginning of the '17-'18 season, Jason Kidd and Joe Prunty (Bucks), Hoiberg and now Boylan (Bulls).
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on December 03, 2018, 09:32:42 AM
Bulls fired Fred Hoiberg.

Interesting note about this is that Jabari Parker will now be under his 4th different head coach since the beginning of the '17-'18 season, Jason Kidd and Joe Prunty (Bucks), Hoiberg and now Boylan (Bulls).

Hoiberg got a raw deal, given the injuries to that team. Although I disagree with how he's handled Parker thus far. Guy should be starting and featured, along with Lavine.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Nekov on December 03, 2018, 10:44:44 AM
Parker did start the last couple of games though. I think Hoiberg being dismissed was just a matter of time. He was a functional coach for a young team, however the kids are growing and need someone who can take help them take the next step. We'll see if the new coach can do that or not.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on December 03, 2018, 11:16:22 AM
He did, yes, but I think that was Hoiberg trying to find something out of desperation, and potentially trying to save his job. From the team's perspective, you don't pay a guy a deal like that to sit on the bench. Add that to a 5-19 record, and something had to give.

The Bulls have talent. When healthy, that team should be in the hunt for the playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Nekov on December 03, 2018, 11:26:36 AM
Agreed. Lots of talent and a very young core. Lavine seems to be over his injury and playing at a great level, Parker also seems to be coming back from those injuries though his ceiling shouldn't be as high as initially expected. Add Markanen and Dunn and you have a contender of the future. But as you said, health is the key there.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on December 03, 2018, 12:24:13 PM
And defense. Lavine doesn't play defense. So if you allow that to continue, you have to surround him with high-rate defenders. Kris Dunn is an elite defender. The others...I am not sure about.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: T-ski on December 03, 2018, 02:56:01 PM
Parker is one of the worst defensive players in the league.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on December 04, 2018, 08:09:12 AM
Parker is one of the worst defensive players in the league.

You would certainly know.  :lol

BIG win by the Wolves last night against the Rockets. After the refs seriously tried to help them win in the first half (I am NOT a homer at all, and it was clear as day the Wolves were getting the shaft by the refs), it was a hell of a halftime adjustment on both ends of the floor, and a great comeback from 19 down. Towns looked aggressive in the paint, and that's what he HAS to do. Wiggins disappeared again in the fourth, offensively, but I've never seen Wiggins play that intensely on the defensive end. Dude had three (3!!!!) blocks. I don't recall him ever having three blocks in a game before.  :lol And I was pleased that on a night that Derrick Rose didn't play well (he was scoreless), the Wolves were still able to generate really good offense.

Stuff looking up for the Pups. As long as they don't look past the Hornets on Wednesday, I'm excited to see what the rest of the season brings. The west is going to be wild. The Nuggets are getting IT back soon (IT has been saying that the last week or so on Twitter), I mean, its going to be a fight to game 82 to get into the playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: T-ski on December 10, 2018, 07:24:56 AM
Bucks have been alternating W/L's the last few weeks after their hot start, but a nice win Sunday night in Toronto.  East should be fun this year.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Nekov on December 10, 2018, 08:09:19 AM
I know it's still too early in the season, but I can't remember the west being this close, ever. Six games separate Nr. 1 and Nr. 14, that is insane. The east on the other hand still shows an enormous gap between the top 4 or 5 teams and the rest. The fact that Orlando has a chance at the playoffs speaks volumes on how weak that conference has become.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on December 10, 2018, 08:14:08 AM
I know it's still too early in the season, but I can't remember the west being this close, ever. Six games separate Nr. 1 and Nr. 14, that is insane. The east on the other hand still shows an enormous gap between the top 4 or 5 teams and the rest. The fact that Orlando has a chance at the playoffs speaks volumes on how weak that conference has become.

Agreed. I am really in favor of a re-seeding idea once the regular season ends. You are going to lose a few good teams in the west to pathetic crap from the east, and that's not right. For example, while I am not complaining, Denver lost to Minny in the regular season finale, and lost out on the playoffs, but they could have easily beaten the 7 and 8 seeds from the East.

Annoying loss by the Wolves to Portland Saturday night. Hard to win without your best defensive player (Covington was out), along with KAT getting into foul trouble three minutes into the game. Game was down to the wire though. A couple of late 3s by Dame pulled it out for the Blazers. Gotta respect that man's game. Things not looking better for the Wolves tonight, as they are in Oakland against Golden State.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on December 11, 2018, 08:39:34 AM
Pups went into Oakland last night. Not the bloodbath I somewhat expected. The Warriors led 13-0 at the start of the first, and the Wolves came roaring back, ultimately losing the game by 8. As I am sure most teams and their fans feel, it was so frustrating to get the game tied or within a few, and then watch the Warriors do their thing. There's a reason why they are champs.

Refs helped them out a lot, but that's to be expected. Even if they didn't, not sure it would have turned the tide. Fun game to watch from the middle of the 1st quarter until the end.

A couple of observations:

The Warriors' starting five are going to be unstoppable with Demarcus Cousins. As we all know, they look effortless in their greatness, and with him added to the mix, that starting lineup won't be touched.

The Warriors were without Andre Iguodala (and Cook, I think...I don't recall seeing him, so if he was there, he has a forgettable game) last night, but even with Iguodala coming off the pine, their bench is REALLY thin. I don't know the numbers, but the Wolves' bench more than doubled their scoring output (and its not like the Wolves' starters didn't play well -- they did).

The Wolves (namely coach Thibs) are going to run Derrick Rose into the ground. He's playing too much, and when on the floor, he ISOs like he's back in 2011-2012. I know he's healthy, but he's not THAT guy any more. It's hurting the T-Wolves, and Thibs needs to reign him in and go to a 10-man rotation, letting Josh Okogie get some run at the 2, alongside Tyus Jones on the second unit. It's just dumb to run Rose into the ground (he played 32 minutes against Portland, and I didn't check, but he was over 30 again against the Warriors).

Jeff Teague (Wolves starting PG) is passing really well, but if that dude (who can shoot well) keeps passing up open looks, he needs to be benched. Teague has a nice shot, he can score, and while I appreciate the pass-first mentality, we didn't bring him in here to be Ricky Rubio. We had that. Shoot when you're open.

Anyway, bottom line is the Warriors look like the Champs, and the Wolves look like a solid playoff team. But in the Wild West, who knows if they will make it.

p.s. Draymond Green is obnoxious, and a mouth breather.  :lol
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Post by: bosk1 on December 11, 2018, 08:55:41 AM
The Warriors were without Andre Iguodala (and Cook, I think...I don't recall seeing him, so if he was there, he has a forgettable game) last night, but even with Iguodala coming off the pine, their bench is REALLY thin. I don't know the numbers, but the Wolves' bench more than doubled their scoring output (and its not like the Wolves' starters didn't play well -- they did).

That is definitely an issue.  Iguodala and Livingston seem to be deferring more to try to develop the younger talent.  They need to be more assertive and actually score.  And, actually, same with the younger talent.  The main problem I see with the bench is that none of them seem to be playing aggressively.  They need to just assert themselves.
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Post by: Samsara on December 11, 2018, 09:27:51 AM
The Warriors were without Andre Iguodala (and Cook, I think...I don't recall seeing him, so if he was there, he has a forgettable game) last night, but even with Iguodala coming off the pine, their bench is REALLY thin. I don't know the numbers, but the Wolves' bench more than doubled their scoring output (and its not like the Wolves' starters didn't play well -- they did).

That is definitely an issue.  Iguodala and Livingston seem to be deferring more to try to develop the younger talent.  They need to be more assertive and actually score.  And, actually, same with the younger talent.  The main problem I see with the bench is that none of them seem to be playing aggressively.  They need to just assert themselves.

What could solve that is Cousins. If they elect to bring him off the bench instead of start him, that second unit immediately becomes a huge threat. An embarrassment of riches for sure, but if you're the Warriors, what the hell do you care, right? They are a great time. I jump back and forth between loving to watch them play, and being tired of them. Sorta like the Bulls of the 90s. The Ws are an all-time team, and while I hate losing to them, I really appreciate what they have. Particularly if both Durant and Thompson bail this year and end the run (which I think will sort of happen -- I think Durant is gone, but there's a better than average chance Thompson stays...it all depends on if he wants to go to the Lakers or not. That's the only team I see him leaving the Ws for).
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Post by: bosk1 on December 11, 2018, 09:42:33 AM
I would be legitimately shocked if Thompson left.  I know there is a narrative going around about that.  But it is just that: a sports narrative put out there by the journalists, in no small part because this is a contract year for him.  He doesn't want to go.  And the team ownership doesn't want him to go.  He is part of the core.  I think the only real issue is what they offer him.  If Durant leaves, I think he holds out for a max contract and gets it.  If Durant stays, I think that is the only scenario where Thompson agrees to take a cut so they can keep Durant. 
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Post by: Samsara on December 11, 2018, 10:16:33 AM
In my mind, the only reason any of them should leave is if they are sick of Draymond's antics. Seriously. I mean, there's no incentive to leave. They will continue to win and keep that dynasty going. As long as everyone is paid, and like winning, why would they split up?

The only concern I see is bench play. But I have to imagine they could use the veteran's minimum to pick up quality guys for the rotation.

But Thompson-Curry-Durant are young enough to sign to max deals. I would seriously consider trading Draymond Green, as I think a fourth max is just not doable, and frankly, I think you can get someone who does a lot of what he does for cheaper, without the antics. Not saying AS good, but enough, for significantly cheaper.
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Post by: bosk1 on December 11, 2018, 10:23:30 AM
They will cut Durant loose before breaking up the Curry/Thompson/Green core.  And that is what they should do if it comes down to it.  Green is irreplaceable in that lineup.  Durant would be missed.  But they won a championship without him, and were one shot away from winning a second.  They can compensate without him if need be.  And I don't think anyone in that locker room has had any issue with Green other than Durant. 

Durant is a bit of an enigma.  I think you are right that that entire group should want to stay together and keep winning.  But he has always kept his plans close to the vest and is still kind of the "outsider/4th wheel."  Not that he hasn't been embraced.  But still, he's the only part of that core that isn't home grown and doesn't necessarily have an allegiance to what they built in-house.  He should want to stay.  But whether he ultimately does, we'll see.
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Post by: TAC on December 11, 2018, 10:27:43 AM
East Coast update.....


Celtics are 7-3 in their last 10, and winners of 6 straight. Even though they have played the ass of the league, things started to fall in line when Hayward agreed to come off the bench. Trying to get too many guys into games was really a problem. Having a guy out on rest or maybe a little banged up, eases the congestion, and the Celtics, ironically, seem to benefit from it.

Last night, Irving, Hayward, Horford, and Baynes were out. They still easily handled the Pelicans. AD scored 41, but was basically tag teamed by Daniel Theis and rookie Robert Williams, who had 11 boards, and 2 big blocks on AD. This kid is really good.

Raptors on a tough 4 game West Coast swing. Hopefully the top of the East tightens up a bit.
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 11, 2018, 10:47:41 AM
Yeah... and 3 games in 4 days to boot.  With Lowry in a slump.  He's been pretty awful the past couple of weeks.  Losing to the Nets was pretty deplorable.  Better to go thru some adversity and inconsistency now than in April I suppose.

I now know what it's like to have a team capable of winning every night... that becomes the emotional expectation.  No one expects a team to go 75-7, but when a team CAN/COULD win any/every given game, it's a weird feeling to lose a few at a time.
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Post by: Samsara on December 11, 2018, 12:40:56 PM
I am sure it is JUST a slump, but Lowry has looked like all those playoff games have caught up to him. Looks OLD.

He's not, but he looks it, and that's concerning.
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Post by: KevShmev on December 11, 2018, 05:16:06 PM
In my mind, the only reason any of them should leave is if they are sick of Draymond's antics. Seriously. I mean, there's no incentive to leave. They will continue to win and keep that dynasty going. As long as everyone is paid, and like winning, why would they split up?

The only concern I see is bench play. But I have to imagine they could use the veteran's minimum to pick up quality guys for the rotation.

But Thompson-Curry-Durant are young enough to sign to max deals. I would seriously consider trading Draymond Green, as I think a fourth max is just not doable, and frankly, I think you can get someone who does a lot of what he does for cheaper, without the antics. Not saying AS good, but enough, for significantly cheaper.

Agreed. 

There are a lot of guys who can do what Green does (grunt work, get boards, score here and there, annoy opponents with dirty play, etc.).

Good luck finding guys who can score like Durant and shoot like Curry and Thompson.
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 12, 2018, 03:58:48 AM
After seeing what Durant is capable of vs the Raptors a couple weeks back ... yeah.  You don't let go of a top 5 (or top 3) guy in the league.  He was an absolute beast - 3 games in a row with 44+ points, and 40+ minutes.
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Post by: Samsara on December 12, 2018, 07:41:42 AM
In my mind, the only reason any of them should leave is if they are sick of Draymond's antics. Seriously. I mean, there's no incentive to leave. They will continue to win and keep that dynasty going. As long as everyone is paid, and like winning, why would they split up?

The only concern I see is bench play. But I have to imagine they could use the veteran's minimum to pick up quality guys for the rotation.

But Thompson-Curry-Durant are young enough to sign to max deals. I would seriously consider trading Draymond Green, as I think a fourth max is just not doable, and frankly, I think you can get someone who does a lot of what he does for cheaper, without the antics. Not saying AS good, but enough, for significantly cheaper.

Agreed. 

There are a lot of guys who can do what Green does (grunt work, get boards, score here and there, annoy opponents with dirty play, etc.).

Good luck finding guys who can score like Durant and shoot like Curry and Thompson.

EXACTLY. Warriors fans tend to be really sensitive about the Draymond thing. The whole "homegrown," "homer" perspective. But the end of the day, everything Green does can be replaced by someone else who will command by far fewer dollars. And don't think mgmt doesn't know that. If Durant and Thompson re-up with the Warriors this summer on max deals (meaning they are carrying three max contracts), Green will be the odd man out. They may trade him, or may let him walk, but he won't be on the squad. And he won't be nearly as effective not being surrounded by two or three superstars.

With that new arena in San Fran, there's no way they want to be in a new arena, and have to deal with Draymond's BS day in and day out. The Ws fans can be protective and live in denial all they want, but if the Ws owners are told from their GM there's no way they can have all four on max deals, Green would be the first one they kick to the curb.
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Post by: bosk1 on December 12, 2018, 09:08:41 AM
All I can say is, we'll just have to wait and see.  But I have to say, I think you two are VASTLY underrating what Green does for this team and his skill set.  Yes, you can probably take most of the things he does well and find plenty of others than can do the same.  But as for his defense, he is elite at his position, and there are few that can match him.  For his passing and on-court vision, same thing.  But you take all his skills and roll them into one player, and I don't think you can find another player in the league that can do all of those things at his level.  He's not a Curry, or a Thompson, or a Durant.  But he brings something those guys don't, and he doesn't need to be them to help the team. 

And I'm not sure what you mean by "have to deal with Draymond's BS day in and day out."  Other than maybe the recent dust-up with Durant (which by all accounts seems to be squarely in the rear view mirror), I can't think of anyone, from the players, to the coaches, to the front office who has given any indication they are tired of having to "deal" with Green.  You either know something I don't, or it sounds like you are reaching for something that isn't there.

All that said, we'll see what happens.  Nobody really knows how ANY of these guys feel deep down, or what is said behind closed doors.  And the fact that we have an unprecedented number of "sports journalists" looking for stories to print only muddies the waters and gives extra rabbit holes to get lost in.  All I know is, this team is SO much fun to watch, Green included.
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Post by: Samsara on December 12, 2018, 10:18:43 AM
All I can say is, we'll just have to wait and see.  But I have to say, I think you two are VASTLY underrating what Green does for this team and his skill set.  Yes, you can probably take most of the things he does well and find plenty of others than can do the same.  But as for his defense, he is elite at his position, and there are few that can match him.  For his passing and on-court vision, same thing.  But you take all his skills and roll them into one player, and I don't think you can find another player in the league that can do all of those things at his level.  He's not a Curry, or a Thompson, or a Durant.  But he brings something those guys don't, and he doesn't need to be them to help the team. 

See bolded part. Like many here, I'm an NBA junkie. Green is highly touted by Warriors fans as some sort of irreplaceable part. But the truth of the matter is -- he's not a superstar. Not by a long shot. I will grant you (as I think most of my fellow NBA junkies would) that Green's skills as an elite defender and an extremely good passer are valuable. But if forced to choose (and the Ws will be) between having the three mentioned above, or having two of those and Green, they'd punt Green to the curb quicker than Westbrook piles up triple-doubles. The league is an offensive league. Green's talents on the defensive end do not dictate a max deal, and Green will want a max deal. And the Ws SHOULD NOT try and give it to him (they won't be able to anyway if they sign Durant and Thompson).

Put Green on any other team, and he'll still be the fourth or fifth best offensive option. He's, frankly, a liability as a shooter, with a basic post game that is predictable. He gets bailed out because he is a really good passer, and he passes to three ELITE offensive players who get open. Take those guys away, Green is nothing but an elite defensive PF. And those guys don't deserve max deals. It'll be tough enough to fill out a roster behind Curry-Durant-Thompson if all three of those guys are max or close to max (I think both Durant and Thompson will have to give slight hometown discounts to make it work). There won't be money for Green, and as Green will find out, his antics are going to cost him. Speaking of that...

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And I'm not sure what you mean by "have to deal with Draymond's BS day in and day out."  Other than maybe the recent dust-up with Durant (which by all accounts seems to be squarely in the rear view mirror), I can't think of anyone, from the players, to the coaches, to the front office who has given any indication they are tired of having to "deal" with Green.  You either know something I don't, or it sounds like you are reaching for something that isn't there.

A player's past follows him. I'm thinking of the times he's been suspended, the issues he has had with Kerr, the nudes he sent to a reporter (or someone else) that leaked, his penchant for annoying people, etc. All that stacks up against him. Sure, the players, coaches and front office try to deflect all that, and not talk about it, but they know its there, as does Green. Take him off that team, and the Warriors still win, and they don't have a wild card like Green to keep an eye on. With a new arena on the way next year, watch what happens. Say Durant comes back, and so does Thompson. Green will start trouble all next year about needing to get paid, detracting from the Warriors latest (I assume they will win the title this season) title and new arena celebration. Watch it happen. I guarantee it.

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All that said, we'll see what happens.  Nobody really knows how ANY of these guys feel deep down, or what is said behind closed doors.  And the fact that we have an unprecedented number of "sports journalists" looking for stories to print only muddies the waters and gives extra rabbit holes to get lost in.  All I know is, this team is SO much fun to watch, Green included.

You're right, but at the end of the day, if you ask anyone outside of Warriors fans whether they would want Durant-Curry-Thompson, or Green-Curry-Thomposon, all of them will say the latter three, hands-down. Warriors fans have blinders on and this loyalty to Green that I understand, but is misplaced. I am a Wolves diehard, but I am also a Knicks diehard too, as I am from there. When Charles Oakley left, I was upset. But Anthony Mason stepped in, and did exactly what Oak did, with some other skills, for less money. It was understood that Mason would never be the main option. He was an orchestrator and defender - Green before Green, in another era. And he got paid like he was down the totem pole in comparison to the others. But the point is, Oakley and what he brought, was replaced for a cheaper model with more skills. Green is going to fight that, and demand equality. And the Ws would be stupid (if that indeed becomes the case and both Durant and Thompson stay) to try and do that (and I don't think it is fiscally possible anyway).
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Post by: bosk1 on December 12, 2018, 10:32:53 AM
OK.  I'll just recap 3 points briefly.

we'll just have to wait and see

reaching

Nobody really knows how ANY of these guys feel deep down, or what is said behind closed doors.

Beyond that, I can't speculate.
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Post by: Samsara on December 12, 2018, 10:52:00 AM
No one is reaching, bosk. You happen to be a Ws fan who thinks really highly of one of your homegrown players. We all do that with our favorite teams. I happen to think Karl-Anthony Towns is irreplaceable. But I think most NBA fans would say that Anthony Davis is superior, and if healthy, Demarcus Cousins. They are probably right, but I'd still take "my guy" over both of them any day of the week.

You're homering for Green. Totally understandable. But your arguments on his behalf (in comparison to having him OR Durant) are very, very thin.
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 12, 2018, 11:00:11 AM
You're right, but at the end of the day, if you ask anyone outside of Warriors fans whether they would want Durant-Curry-Thompson, or Green-Curry-Thomposon, all of them will say the latter three, hands-down.

I'll back this up.  I'd take Durant 8-days a week over Green.  Green reminds me more of a modern day Rodman... in EVERY aspect (except piercings and tats), whereas Durant is more like (but better than) Pippen.

Now... getting off of the Dubs again ...

Good win for the Dino's last night.  Sans Kahwi from a minor injury, Lowry and VanFleet stepped up, leading a very solid team performance.  All the starters got a chance to sit in the fourth, which will hopefully leave them as fresh as possible for the challenge tonight.  Hopefully Kahwi can play thru the pain.  Might have to stay up and watch this one.
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Post by: bosk1 on December 12, 2018, 11:02:29 AM
Is Kahwi a go for tonight?
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 12, 2018, 11:11:43 AM
Is Kahwi a go for tonight?

I think it's a game-time decision.  I haven't heard for sure one way or the other.
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Post by: Samsara on December 12, 2018, 11:14:34 AM
Man, I hope he plays. Heard it was a hip contusion. Hopefully that's code for "rest night," and he'll be playing tonight.
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 12, 2018, 12:34:41 PM
Man, I hope he plays. Heard it was a hip contusion. Hopefully that's code for "rest night," and he'll be playing tonight.

Nah... I don't think it was 'code'.  They've been pretty open and transparent to just call it a rest/bench night when he has sat.  I just ready that it will be re-evaluated this afternoon.  The decision was made after the afternoon shoot-around, and it sounds like that'll be the same for today.
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Post by: Azyiu on December 12, 2018, 06:02:48 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2810485-suns-owner-robert-sarver-threatening-to-move-team-to-seattle-or-las-vegas

Sarver is the worst owner in the league. The guy is clueless. He can pay for his own arena or go to hell. Let him take the Suns and his bad mojo somewhere else and then fans in AZ can get the Suns again, just like the Browns/Ravens.
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 12, 2018, 07:44:46 PM
It's official ... Leonard is out.

And holy shit .... Kyrie with two killer 3s to nail the coffin on that OT vs the Wizards. That OT was gorgeous.
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Post by: TAC on December 12, 2018, 07:46:41 PM
WE just watched it. Should've never gone to OT.

Robert Williams had another good game. The Celts haven't had a legit athletic big man since Perk. Not that Perk was that athletic. :lol
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Post by: King Postwhore on December 12, 2018, 07:51:55 PM
The kid is still very green (poetic) but I hope he continues to improve.
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Post by: TAC on December 12, 2018, 07:55:05 PM
He has some major league raw talent. If he can get some minutes and learn, he's going to be a force.
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Post by: King Postwhore on December 12, 2018, 08:01:26 PM
His start was very ominous.
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Post by: TAC on December 12, 2018, 08:05:20 PM
Did you know he just had a baby?

Apparently he was even late pulling out.
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Post by: King Postwhore on December 12, 2018, 08:06:39 PM
 :lol

No kidding.
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Post by: TAC on December 13, 2018, 05:44:06 AM
Hoping to see a Raptors loss last night. Apparently not..
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Post by: Samsara on December 13, 2018, 08:03:21 AM
So, uh...don't let the score fool you. The T'Wolves had a hand in the face of almost every shooter in the second half last night, and the Kings were just on fire. Franchise record 19 treys. Man, the Wolves are taking a beating on this road trip...
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 13, 2018, 08:06:09 AM
And that's why you play the games.  Swarming D by the Raps along with a hot 18-2 early run got the job done.  Clay and Steph throwing up 3-pt bricks helped too - 56 3s in the last 3 games; only 6 last night.  Sometimes it's an 'off' game, and the Dubs certainly looked off.  The Raps brought their A game for sure, but the Dubs also brought their B- game by the looks of things.

Also... nice karate chop from Draymond and resulting dislocated thumb for JV.  Apparently not foul-worthy  :-\.

Amazing how a team that loses to the Nets can play so well just a few days later.
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Post by: bosk1 on December 13, 2018, 09:28:51 AM
The Raps brought their A game for sure, but the Dubs also brought their B- game by the looks of things.

It happens.  Wish I had seen it.  The box score is a bit baffling on the W's side.  Was it exceptionally strong defense by the Raps, exceptionally poor shooting by the W's, or a bit of both?
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 13, 2018, 10:09:46 AM
The Raps brought their A game for sure, but the Dubs also brought their B- game by the looks of things.

It happens.  Wish I had seen it.  The box score is a bit baffling on the W's side.  Was it exceptionally strong defense by the Raps, exceptionally poor shooting by the W's, or a bit of both?

Bit of both.  Raps were clean on their D (I think GSW only had 15 trips to the line?), out-rebounded GSW, +9 (I think) on turnovers, and killed them on points in the paint.  If I had to guess, I'd say the Dubs' turnovers were 1/2 forced; 1/2 unforced.  As for shooting, Clay/Steph were what... 2-15 from 3-point land?  Contested or not, that is uncharacteristic.
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Post by: bosk1 on December 13, 2018, 10:21:11 AM
Totally uncharacteristic.  Bummer that they came in flat.  I was hoping both teams would be at their best for this, and I know I'm not alone in that.  Oh well.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on December 14, 2018, 07:07:07 AM
Two comments about James Harden:

1) Great player. His dribbling and shooting are awe-inspiring. Will obviously be a first-ballot Hall of Famer. I am sure that Rockets fans are ecstatic to have him.

2) His general strategy of trying to draw fouls on every play is incredibly annoying to watch. Every drive to the hoop ends with a stumble. Every three pointer ends with his butt on the ground. Like... Come on dude. :lol
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Post by: KevShmev on December 14, 2018, 07:48:42 AM
Two comments about James Harden:

1) Great player. His dribbling and shooting are awe-inspiring. Will obviously be a first-ballot Hall of Famer. I am sure that Rockets fans are ecstatic to have him.

2) His general strategy of trying to draw fouls on every play is incredibly annoying to watch. Every drive to the hoop ends with a stumble. Every three pointer ends with his butt on the ground. Like... Come on dude. :lol

While I agree with number 2, I blame that shit on the officials.  If they are going to fall for it and always call a foul when you flop, why not do it?  You would think the officials would be smarter by now and not fall for that crap, but they apparently are not.
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Post by: Azyiu on December 14, 2018, 08:37:21 AM
One comment about my Lakers... those officials are certainly the blame for buying Harden's crap... yet we are good at getting beat by teams that everyone else beat up on, while making them look like championship contenders. Guess the long home stand made them forget how to stay focus and compete. If we go 0-4 on this trip, I think we should trade LeBron and rebuild.  :\  :yeahright  :tdwn
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Post by: KevShmev on December 14, 2018, 08:50:51 AM
One comment about my Lakers... those officials are certainly the blame for buying Harden's crap... yet we are good at getting beat by teams that everyone else beat up on, while making them look like championship contenders. Guess the long home stand made them forget how to stay focus and compete. If we go 0-4 on this trip, I think we should trade LeBron and rebuild.  :\  :yeahright  :tdwn

Damn, who drinks liquor this early in the morning?? :P :lol
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Post by: Samsara on December 14, 2018, 10:03:23 AM
James Harden is a great offensive player. Hall of Fame caliber. But he "plays" defense like a matador avoiding a bull. I know in this era of basketball, it doesn't matter. All about lighting it up. But Harden is a complete joke on defense.

I see the Suns got a win last night. Good. That means they are due for another losing streak to start on Saturday. Go Wolves.
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Post by: TAC on December 14, 2018, 12:47:44 PM
James Harden is a great offensive player. Hall of Fame caliber. But he "plays" defense like a matador avoiding a bull. I know in this era of basketball, it doesn't matter. All about lighting it up. But Harden is a complete joke on defense.

https://youtu.be/n_HxVuFJZeI?t=18
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Post by: jingle.boy on December 14, 2018, 01:48:47 PM
Those were glorious.
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Post by: Azyiu on December 15, 2018, 06:50:19 PM
Lance got a T for playing his air guitar after making a 3?! Come on refs, that's what he does, lighten up.  :lol
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Post by: Lonk on December 15, 2018, 08:04:11 PM
Lebron and Ball both had a triple double. 6th pair of teammates to have triple double in the same game.
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Post by: Samsara on December 17, 2018, 09:10:37 AM
James Harden is a great offensive player. Hall of Fame caliber. But he "plays" defense like a matador avoiding a bull. I know in this era of basketball, it doesn't matter. All about lighting it up. But Harden is a complete joke on defense.

https://youtu.be/n_HxVuFJZeI?t=18


 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

EXACTLY.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Lonk on December 25, 2018, 08:54:33 PM
Let’s hope LBJ is ok but I have a feeling is a bad injury.

The sixers gave that game away. Poor defense at the end of the game and 2 timeouts left with 20 second on the clock and didn’t use any of them.
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Post by: Azyiu on December 25, 2018, 09:47:49 PM
Let’s hope LBJ is ok but I have a feeling is a bad injury.


Man, hope he is ok too, he ain't young anymore. Freak injuries like that one can be troublesome...
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on December 26, 2018, 11:02:17 AM
Boston owns Philly

Philly can't close games.

Two trends I would love to see done away with ASAP.
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Post by: Samsara on January 02, 2019, 08:53:48 AM
I sincerely hope the Wolves put up a fight against the Celtics in Boston tonight. We're down two starters (Covington and Teague), AND Derrick Rose is out as well.

Tough to win when fully healthy. But down three main guys, this could be ugly. Towns needs to stay out of foul trouble and put up 30/20 again, and Wiggins needs to wake the F up.
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Post by: Lonk on January 02, 2019, 12:18:13 PM
I think Min will put up a fight tonight. I hope it's at least a closed game.

I will be in LA/Anaheim Area late this month for NAMM and I'm planning to go see LAL-MIN game on the 24th. I never been to a Lakers home game, should be fun.
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Post by: Samsara on January 02, 2019, 02:16:24 PM
I think Min will put up a fight tonight. I hope it's at least a closed game.

I will be in LA/Anaheim Area late this month for NAMM and I'm planning to go see LAL-MIN game on the 24th. I never been to a Lakers home game, should be fun.

Just heard no Kyrie for the Celtics tonight. I mean, the Wolves are missing three guys, so they are still outgunned, but here's hoping they can give it a run.

LAL vs. Minn should be a good one, if both are healthy.
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Post by: T-ski on January 02, 2019, 03:28:10 PM
Just checking in to let everyone know the Bucks have the best record starting the New Year.

As you were.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 02, 2019, 04:33:13 PM
Just checking in to let everyone know the Bucks have the best record starting the New Year.

As you were.

Percentage wise, yes... but they're 1/2 game behind the Dinos.
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Post by: Samsara on January 03, 2019, 08:35:16 AM
All the Celtics fans whining that they need to get rid of Kyrie because they have better chemistry without him need to STFU, IMO. They beat my Wolves last night...without three of the Wolves' top seven players (Rose, Teague, Covington). Wiggins and KAT had big games. No one else showed up. Had Rose, Teague and Covington played, they would have beat the Celtics without Kyrie, and likely would have been a dog fight into the last minute even if Kyrie was playing.

The Celtics' "issue" is ego. They won last year, got to the playoffs, and did well, but had no "closer" to get over the hump. This year, they have their closer, who is ball dominant, and now the team stands around and watches him work, instead of moving and cutting. I've watched four Celtics games this year. Three with Kyrie, one without him. It's as plain as day.

What Brad Stevens needs to do is get these guys to play as a team when Kyrie is on the floor, and get Kyrie off the ball a bit. Tatum could initiate the offense, or Smart. Use Kyrie off the ball a bit, and get things free-flowing. It'd be dumb to trade Kyrie -- you need a superstar guy. You just need them to find a middle ground in how they play when he is on the floor. Stevens is a great coach, he'll figure it out.

As for the Wolves. Man. What a comeback in the second half. Towns and Wiggins were on fire. But their intensity on the floor was not matched by anyone else on the Wolves and the Celts (particularly Hayward) picked them apart. I was pleased to see Wiggins driving to the cup, and really making an effort on defense (he was good at his defensive rotations). Okogie was overmatched by Hayward, and Gibson and Saric looked slow.

But again, would have been a totally different game had Covington been on Hayward, and we had Rose and Teague back in the rotation. Just not sure what the answer is for the Wolves. If they don't finish January above .500, it may be time for a new coach and a system that plays to their strengths, instead of forcing the half court game on them.
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Post by: TAC on January 03, 2019, 10:38:38 AM
Sam, I need a laptop to respond! My phone won’t cut it.  ;D
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Post by: Samsara on January 04, 2019, 08:37:22 AM
Sam, I need a laptop to respond! My phone won’t cut it.  ;D

Thank God for small miracles.  :lol
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 04, 2019, 08:46:09 AM
Helluva time for DeRozan to get his first career 3D.  The Spurs were on fire in the 1st, and the Raps were terrible on both ends of the court.  Despite the beating, I'm sure there are more than a few Torontonians that have a bit of a smile on their face after that performance by DDR.
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Post by: Samsara on January 04, 2019, 01:23:38 PM
I love Derozan. He has an old school game he makes work in this new style NBA, and I can't get enough of it. Was glad to see him get that triple-double against TOR. Frankly, his number should be retired there immediately after he's done playing. Hopefully, they bring him back after his current contract runs out for a last year, and wrap it all up. Still five years off or whatever, but Toronto needs to do right by him.

Wolves have lost Covington for the foreseeable future. Great. Best defender on the team is out now.
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Post by: T-ski on January 04, 2019, 01:40:12 PM
Jimmy Buckets making trouble already in Philly...

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25684980/jimmy-butler-challenging-philadelphia-76ers-coach-brett-brown-offensive-role
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Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on January 04, 2019, 02:03:55 PM
That's a non story.

Now what's a real story is Kevin Durant not being called out of bounds towards the end of last night's game. But Harden still got them with an absolute killshot.

And and the San Antonio crowd was terrific for Leonard's homecoming.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 04, 2019, 02:11:27 PM
Kevin Durant not being called out of bounds towards the end of last night's game.

Saw that.  I don't know how they missed that.  But then again, I don't know how they missed 4 blatant Harden and Capella travels that resulted in 9 or 10* points for the Rockets either. 


*I remember one of them resulted in a 3, and I think one of the others did as well, but it may have only been a 2.
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Post by: TAC on January 04, 2019, 02:36:49 PM
The Celtics' "issue" is ego. They won last year, got to the playoffs, and did well, but had no "closer" to get over the hump. This year, they have their closer, who is ball dominant, and now the team stands around and watches him work, instead of moving and cutting. I've watched four Celtics games this year. Three with Kyrie, one without him. It's as plain as day.

What Brad Stevens needs to do is get these guys to play as a team when Kyrie is on the floor, and get Kyrie off the ball a bit. Tatum could initiate the offense, or Smart. Use Kyrie off the ball a bit, and get things free-flowing. It'd be dumb to trade Kyrie -- you need a superstar guy. You just need them to find a middle ground in how they play when he is on the floor. Stevens is a great coach, he'll figure it out.

Sam, this has been such a strange year. Stevens is a great coach, but this is still uncharted waters for him. He's proven he can get a bunch of nobodies to overachieve, but he now has to manage a placate real star power and for others, faux star power.


Weird to think a team could add Kyrie and Hayward and GET WORSE! Doesn't make sense. I knew the Celts would win the other night as soon as I heard Kyrie would be out. Stevens has yet to manage minutes effectively for a full squad. Only when injuries have shortened his rotation for him, they have been successful. There's been a number of team meetings to get their heads out of their asses, including a highly publicized one a couple weeks ago. They're 3-2 since..

Things kind of improved when Hayward "agreed" to come off the bench. It was easy for him, he has his money. But for Rozier, Brown (who has sucked this year) and Tatum and to a lesser extent, Morris (who's been fantastic), they are all playing very selfish games. Very un-Stevens like.
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Post by: TAC on January 04, 2019, 08:12:07 PM
Watching Celts-Mavs tonight.

Does anyone expend less energy than Deandre Jordan? :lol Holy crap!
And what's with the 70's style shorts??


Seriously, Luka Doncic is ridiculous.


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Post by: jammindude on January 04, 2019, 09:50:13 PM
As a northwest basketball fan who has been completely out of the scene since the Sonics left town, I have to say that I'm really liking the way the Blazers look so far this year.   McCollum, Lillard, and Nurkic are all looking fantastic, and Curry's got a 3 point game of his own.

Time for me to get a Rip City jersey somewhere.   :xbones
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Post by: T-ski on January 06, 2019, 05:27:41 PM
Minnesota fires Thibs.

Samsara, thoughts?
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Post by: TAC on January 06, 2019, 05:46:10 PM
Minnesota fires Thibs.

Samsara, thoughts?

You won't hear from Samsara anytime soon. Sources tell me he is in Minneapolis interviewing for the position.
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Post by: Azyiu on January 06, 2019, 06:01:39 PM
Typically winning (beating the Lakers) saves jobs, guess Glen Taylor just wanted to throw Thibs a big F-U regardless.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: jingle.boy on January 06, 2019, 08:30:05 PM
Holy hell that was a pretty impressive back-to-back pair of victories by the Dinos - the bench couldn't sink a golf ball in the net last night, and the starters had to carry the team ... ending the Bucks' 5-game win streak.  Three players over 20 points.  Tonight... with Kawhi benched (as he has been all season on night 2 of b2b games), total team effort with 8 players in double digits - ending the Pacers 6-game win-streak.
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Post by: axeman90210 on January 06, 2019, 08:39:20 PM
Even though I still maintain that basketball is my least favorite of the major sports, have to say I had fun going to the Brooklyn Nets game a few nights ago. Seems like they're finally coming out of the darkness from the team imploding after that ill fated trade with Boston. Curious to see if they'll be able to attract any major free agents this coming off-season.
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Post by: T-ski on January 06, 2019, 08:52:21 PM
Holy hell that was a pretty impressive back-to-back pair of victories by the Dinos - the bench couldn't sink a golf ball in the net last night, and the starters had to carry the team ... ending the Bucks' 5-game win streak.  Three players over 20 points.  Tonight... with Kawhi benched (as he has been all season on night 2 of b2b games), total team effort with 8 players in double digits - ending the Pacers 6-game win-streak.

I take solace in the fact the Bucks still have won two of three against the Raps and in the game on Saturday, Giannis was the only guy who showed up and it was still close.

Playoffs are going to be fun.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 07, 2019, 05:07:58 AM
Holy hell that was a pretty impressive back-to-back pair of victories by the Dinos - the bench couldn't sink a golf ball in the net last night, and the starters had to carry the team ... ending the Bucks' 5-game win streak.  Three players over 20 points.  Tonight... with Kawhi benched (as he has been all season on night 2 of b2b games), total team effort with 8 players in double digits - ending the Pacers 6-game win-streak.

I take solace in the fact the Bucks still have won two of three against the Raps and in the game on Saturday, Giannis was the only guy who showed up and it was still close.

Playoffs are going to be fun.

And I take solace in the fact 2 starters (Lowry and JV) weren't in the game.  ;)  The top of the East is looking damn tough this year.  And if the 76rs and Celtics can get their act together, it'll be downright scary.  I can see the top 5 all finishing within 3 or 4 games of one another. 
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Post by: Samsara on January 07, 2019, 08:45:57 AM
Called Thibs firing in November, with the Butler fiasco...even called Ryan Saunders being elevated to interim. But man, what weird timing. Yeah, the Wolves ridiculously lost to Phoenix and the Hawks, but they were 15-12 post-Butler. A respectable record in the West. A Saunders-coached team is going to have losses they shouldn't have too, so I think owner Glen Taylor just didn't want to come out and say what we all knew -- this was planned for a long, long time.

In truth, I think this will be good for the Wolves. Saunders is the son of Flip Saunders, the late, beloved coach/president of the Wolves before passing from cancer. The players who played under him still on the team (Towns, Wiggins, and Tyus Jones, I believe), loved the man. Thibs' personality is the polar opposite of Saunders. I think in today's NBA, that "tough love" approach by Thibs just doesn't work. Ultimately, players will fight hard for Saunders, who, despite his young age (32) is a hoops junkie and a brilliant basketball mind, according to those that know him.

What I hope will improve are the rotations. Wiggins playing 16 straight minutes to start the game and the second half is a lot. I see Saunders being a lot quicker to sub, and keep guys fresher throughout each game, while still playing starter-quality minutes (36-ish).

I also think we'll see less reliance on half-court sets, and a more wide open offense that takes advantage of Towns' playmaking ability, along with an emphasis of getting shots up earlier. They just play too slow.

So, good move, suspect timing, and I hope it helps get the Wolves into the playoffs. But with a rookie head coach, you just don't know. 15-12 post-Butler is a good record, and I'm not sure the Wolves are going to have any better of a record, percentage-wise, with Saunders at the helm. I hope so, but its a toss up.
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Post by: Nekov on January 07, 2019, 09:15:00 AM
What I really hope is that D-Rose can still thrive under Saunders since he has been one of the best stories if not the best this season.
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Post by: Samsara on January 07, 2019, 10:24:46 AM
What I really hope is that D-Rose can still thrive under Saunders since he has been one of the best stories if not the best this season.

I think he'll be fine. THey all love him on the coaching staff. What you'll see is D.Rose getitng more like 20-24 minutes a night, instead of the 35 he was playing under Thibs.
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Post by: Samsara on January 09, 2019, 03:36:28 PM
The Nerlens Noel fall last night was scary. Wigs went up for a massive dunk and caught Noel's head with his left forearm, sent him crashing to the floor where he slammed his head. HOpe the guy is OK. It was brutal.
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Post by: Samsara on January 17, 2019, 09:59:39 AM
This streak Harden has been on is incredible. I took a quick look at PPG career season leaders, and if the season ended today, Hardern's PPG average this season puts only behind a few seasons from Wilt and Jordan. CRAZY.

I'm no fan of the way Harden draws fouls, but the fact this guy has NO HELP, and he's just carrying the team...incredible.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 17, 2019, 10:02:23 AM
He also regularly gets away with traveling because the refs are too busy looking at his upper body for the defensive foul and not looking at his feet.
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Post by: Samsara on January 17, 2019, 10:03:46 AM
He also regularly gets away with traveling because the refs are too busy looking at his upper body for the defensive foul and not looking at his feet.

He does, but everyone in the NBA does these days. Its ridiculous. I'm not a Harden fan, but its hard to deny how well he is playing.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 18, 2019, 09:02:41 AM
Going back to the point raised a little while back about Draymond Green being overrated and a "liability" to the Warriors, I found a nice piece that emphasizes some of what is unique about him and why he is such an invaluable part of what makes the Warriors great.  Is he overrated?  Maybe.  But does he still add a TON of value to what makes this team great?  Yeah.  Here's how Zach Lowe put it:

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I recognize this Draymond Green
When Green is on, he simmers with the impatience of someone whose mind is ahead of visual reality. He snarls and gestures at everyone who can't see what he sees -- everyone who isn't where Green already knows they should be.

The moment an opponent shot goes up, he downloads the geometry of the floor and understands immediately where the Warriors have an advantage -- if only everyone would hurry the hell up.

Green was in such a frenzy to grab one rebound against New Orleans on Wednesday that he jumped too early -- when the ball was bouncing toward the top of the backboard. He landed and jumped again when it was still at rim level. In his rush, Green almost fumbled the ball before gathering it, bounding up the floor, and directing Kevon Looney with an unsubtle tilt of the head to cut backdoor for a dunk.

This Green is Golden State's engine -- a Defensive Player of the Year candidate who propels them into a rare state of basketball ecstasy. We have seen more of that Green over the last two-plus weeks, and especially in dishing 27 combined assists in the Warriors' last two wins.

This Green knows what to do when defenses don't guard him. The tactic isn't new, and the solution usually isn't to jack more 3s -- not on this roster. When Green catches the ball wide-open on the perimeter, he flicks it to Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson or Kevin Durant, and in one motion sprints toward them for an impromptu screen. If no one is on Green, that means no defender will meet his star teammate on the other side of that pick. And that is death.

Green is rampaging into those dish-and-picks with such ferocity, he damn near arrives before his own pass.

He's not all the way back. He is still forfeiting chances to attack driving lanes when defenses ignore him. His defense at the point of attack hasn't been airtight.

But the soul of a dynasty is roaring again.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25787638/10-things-like-including-draymond-green-kawhi-leonard-lonzo-ball-nba
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Post by: Samsara on January 18, 2019, 09:12:12 AM
Draymond Green would be a rotation player in most NBA lineups. That's about it. Gifted passer, good defender. Below average offensively. He could not carry the load as a 1 or 2 option offensively. He's simply a good role player. Valuable to the Warriors? Sure. A defensive asset to most teams? Absolutely. A player worth anything close to a max deal? Not in the slightest.

He's a good fourth offensive option and defensive role player...on a team with three Hall of Famers.

If that team is him and Steph Curry as the two top players (meaning if Durant and Thompson leave, and GS doesn't import other assets)...GS wouldn't sniff the playoffs.
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Post by: KevShmev on January 18, 2019, 09:39:37 AM
Eh, I think they'd still make the playoffs, since Curry is so good, but I agree with just about everything else you said there. 

Zach Lowe is out of his mind calling Green the soul of the dynasty.  Steph Curry is the heart and soul of that dynasty, plain and simple.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 18, 2019, 10:01:41 AM
Look, I get that you don't like the guy.  But a bunch of what you wrote is just flat-out wrong.

Draymond Green would be a rotation player in most NBA lineups. That's about it.

Well, whenever we get into what he "would" be, it's hard to say since we're obviously talking hypotheticals that have never happened.  But as for what I think you are trying to get at, I don't think so.  And here's why:  The Warriors offense and defense are often run by and through Green when he is on the floor.  He runs, coordinates, and drives what happens on the floor.  That is something that doesn't show up in the stats and may not be apparent to the casual observer.  But the Warriors run pretty sophisticated and very kinetic offensive and defensive schemes, and there just aren't tons of players out there that can run something like that, and even fewer who can run it as well as Green has.  That isn't what a "rotation player" does.

Gifted passer, good defender. Below average offensively. He could not carry the load as a 1 or 2 option offensively.

As to the first two points, yes, but those both miss the point of the main thing he does.  He doesn't just pass.  Again, he often runs the offense.  His gift as an exceptional passer is one of the things that allows him to do that.  But it's just one piece of the puzzle.  Similar on defense.  The common "below average offensively" also misses the mark.  In terms of scoring, yes.  But (1) his scoring (and other offensive stats) are down this season.  A lot of that is attributable to missing a lot of time due to the two injuries and playing hurt when he has been playing.  Obviously, if his stats stay down, that's a different story.  But his offensive stats this season aren't reflective of his value.  And (2) being a primary scorer isn't his role.  And it shouldn't be on a team with Curry, Klay, and KD.  And while you are right that he wouldn't be a 1 or a 2 offensively on most teams (in terms of scoring), again, that isn't his role and it isn't where he brings value.  He absolutely would have higher point totals on another team where you don't have 3 of the best scorers in the league on the same team.  But regardless, putting up points himself is not where he brings value. 

He's simply a good role player.

Role player?  Yes.  "Good" role player?  I think "exceptional" role player is a better description and more accurately backed up by what he does.

He's a good fourth offensive option and defensive role player...on a team with three Hall of Famers.

Offensively, yeah, he's the "fourth option" in terms of scoring.  Again, that misses the point.

Defensively, I'm not sure what "fourth option" means.  At any given time, he is easily the #1 or #2 best defender the Warriors have on the floor.  And his injuries and missed time this season go a long way in explaining why there has been such a noticeable dropoff in their defense this season from what they have done the past 5 seasons with him at or nearer to full strength.

Really, your comment that he is the "fourth option . . . on a team with three Hall of Famers" makes the point for me--of course he's going to be looked at as the #4 player overall when you have Curry, Klay, and KD on a team.  Nobody other than a handful of players in the entire NBA would be ranked any higher than that.  And quite a few of those guys don't play Green's position anyway.

Honestly, I think your assessment of Green is entirely clouded by your bias against him and your lack of knowledge of what he actually does for the team.  And as to the latter, that isn't a dig at all.  He's just one of those guys whose primary value may not be as obvious to someone who does not actively follow the team and understand how they function and why.

Zach Lowe is out of his mind calling Green the soul of the dynasty.  Steph Curry is the heart and soul of that dynasty, plain and simple.

No, I think they both are.  But just in much different ways.  And it's hard to quantify with much precision which is more "valuable."  Take away either player and replace him with an average player in that position, and do they have the success they have had over the past 5 season?  Probably not.  Take away Curry, and do they win 3 of the last 4 titles?  Nope.  But interestingly enough, during the first two of those four years, his playoff stats were way below what he usually offers up, due to injuries and other factors.  By the same token, take away Green, and do they win 3 of the last 4?  I think you still have the same answer.  But as far as how to quantify that, it's highly debatable and entirely speculative.
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Post by: Nekov on January 18, 2019, 10:18:36 AM
Honestly, I think your assessment of Green is entirely clouded by your bias against him and your lack of knowledge of what he actually does for the team.  And as to the latter, that isn't a dig at all.  He's just one of those guys whose primary value may not be as obvious to someone who does not actively follow the team and understand how they function and why.

Guys, I dislike Green as much as the next guy, but Bosk is right this time. The guy is a great defender, one of the best in the league given how he can switch on almost anyone. He is also a great passer and can sometimes play as the point guard of the team. He plays hard, goes for rebounds, is not afraid of contact and can get under people's skin. He can shoot the 3, not a top shooter, but he is still a menace from out there and helps spread the defense. He's not a superstar, not even an all star, but he's a guy that would be a starter in almost every team in the league because he has a combination of skills that very few other players in this league have.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on January 18, 2019, 10:27:16 AM
Two thoughts:

1) Even as someone who does not enjoy Harden's playing style, I have to give credit where credit is due. The guys is having one of the most unbelievable seasons I have ever seen. I will be anxiously tuning into more Rockets games going forward.

2) I don't know about this year, because I've heard that Green is struggling, but he has been incredibly important to the Warriors success. There are a lot of ways to demonstrate it, but one of the clearest ways is through analytics. As an example, he was 8th, 2nd, 4th, and 18th overall in Real Plus-Minus from 2015 to 2018. The guy is a phenomenal passer, was a reliable shooter for a time, and is a transformational defensive player. He is a classic "ceiling raiser" - He probably can't lift a crap team to respectability by himself, but stick him on a team with good players, and he will take you from good to great.
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Post by: Samsara on January 18, 2019, 10:30:57 AM
Look, I get that you don't like the guy.  But a bunch of what you wrote is just flat-out wrong.


No, it's not. And yes, I do not like the guy. But unlike you, who is a hardcore Warriors fan and rooting in a homer-ish way for your team (not meant in a mean way, we all do it with our teams), I am looking at him objectively.

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The Warriors offense and defense are often run by and through Green when he is on the floor.  He runs, coordinates, and drives what happens on the floor.  That is something that doesn't show up in the stats and may not be apparent to the casual observer.  But the Warriors run pretty sophisticated and very kinetic offensive and defensive schemes, and there just aren't tons of players out there that can run something like that, and even fewer who can run it as well as Green has.  That isn't what a "rotation player" does.

I said he'd be a rotation player on any other NBA team. YES, for the WARRIORS, that is his role. He essentially acts as a point-forward. Luka Doncic does it for the Mavericks. Lebron does it for the Lakers. But unlike those two guys (who are two of many) who have great two-way ability, Green is very limited offensively, and would be exposed if he was a No. 2 option on a team. Therefore, while an elite defender, and good passer, he wouldn't be a "star" for anyone else. He's a "star" because he's surrounded by three HOF players that help hide Green's shortcomings as a player.

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  He doesn't just pass.  Again, he often runs the offense.  His gift as an exceptional passer is one of the things that allows him to do that.  But it's just one piece of the puzzle.  Similar on defense.  The common "below average offensively" also misses the mark.  In terms of scoring, yes.  But (1) his scoring (and other offensive stats) are down this season.  A lot of that is attributable to missing a lot of time due to the two injuries and playing hurt when he has been playing.  Obviously, if his stats stay down, that's a different story.  But his offensive stats this season aren't reflective of his value.  And (2) being a primary scorer isn't his role.  And it shouldn't be on a team with Curry, Klay, and KD.  And while you are right that he wouldn't be a 1 or a 2 offensively on most teams (in terms of scoring), again, that isn't his role and it isn't where he brings value.  He absolutely would have higher point totals on another team where you don't have 3 of the best scorers in the league on the same team.  But regardless, putting up points himself is not where he brings value. 

Bosk -- he can't shoot. Never could. He gets a ton of open looks, and for the last three years, his shooting has been terrible. Imagine what would happen if he didn't get those open looks (which would happen if he played on most other teams)? CLANG. CLANG.

And again I say - yes, he's a point forward and runs the offense. A LOT of guys do it, and do it as well, or better. Giannis does it in Milwaukee too. So this point you are hammering home like Green is this unique player is a load of bologna. He does what he does for THE WARRIORS very well. But he's nothing special except for defensively.

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Role player?  Yes.  "Good" role player?  I think "exceptional" role player is a better description and more accurately backed up by what he does.

See above. Yes, a good role player. A guy along the lines of...hmm. In past eras, I'd call him Anthony Mason. A defensive PF who runs the floor and directs the offense, but can be a liability offensively. That's what Green is. He just does it on an iconic team, so Green is held in high regard by fans of that team. Anyone looking at him objectively, again, sees a great defensive player with good passing skills, that would be exposed offensively on just about any other team in the league.

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Offensively, yeah, he's the "fourth option" in terms of scoring.  Again, that misses the point.

No, it doesn't. I see that point. He's the fourth best player (I'd say FIFTH now, with Cousins) on a team.

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Defensively, I'm not sure what "fourth option" means.  At any given time, he is easily the #1 or #2 best defender the Warriors have on the floor.  And his injuries and missed time this season go a long way in explaining why there has been such a noticeable dropoff in their defense this season from what they have done the past 5 seasons with him at or nearer to full strength.

Excuses. He's fat and out of shape, and now finally getting himself right. He's not the fourth option on defense. He's clearly the team's best defender. I would never deny Green's importance, defensively. But he's a liability on offense. Period.


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Honestly, I think your assessment of Green is entirely clouded by your bias against him and your lack of knowledge of what he actually does for the team.  And as to the latter, that isn't a dig at all.  He's just one of those guys whose primary value may not be as obvious to someone who does not actively follow the team and understand how they function and why.

Bosk - MY assessment of Green is clouded? You're the fan, the homer for him. I have likely seen more Warriors games than you this year, because I'm a hoops junkie who watches games every night. I've seen probably 25-30 Warriors games, in-full, this season. I know what Green does and the role he plays. I've also played and coached at the college level. I'm just not blinded like a Warriors fan. Green is a great defender. NO DOUBT. But he's not a max player (like he thinks he is), and he would be woefully incapable of leading a team that didn't have the shooting talent GS does. Without that, Green is a rotational piece that is an elite defender and good passer that can play point-forward. Take the ball out of his hands, and he's a liability, completely, on the offense.

You are losing this oral argument counselor.  :lol

p.s. Nekov, I've said countless times Green is a beast of a defender and good passer. But put him on a team like...Memphis. Or even a team like Detroit. A team without three great shooters. Watch what happens when they close out on Green on the offensive end. Particularly if Green is not running point. Green can't shoot, and his lack of offensive moves is extremely glaring. A great, great defender, whose shortcomings would be exposed outside of Golden State.

And I want to be clear - AT NO TIME DID I SAY THAT GREEN IS A BAD PLAYER. I said he's an ELITE DEFENDER and GOOD PASSER that orchestrates the offense. But as TheOutlawXanadu just said:

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He probably can't lift a crap team to respectability by himself, but stick him on a team with good players, and he will take you from good to great.He probably can't lift a crap team to respectability by himself, but stick him on a team with good players, and he will take you from good to great.

Exactly this. But I'd swap out "good players" with "good SHOOTERS." He needs people around him that can shoot, otherwise his inability on the offensive end will hurt you. That's all masked in Golden STate because of the level of shooters he plays with (now getting even better with Boogie).
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on January 18, 2019, 10:36:22 AM
Sam - Please, please correct me if I am wrong here, but it sounds like you are saying that players who lift crap teams - "floor raisers" - are as important or maybe even more important than ceiling raisers. That may be my main point of disagreement with you. I would much rather have someone like Green than, say, Demar Derozan, even though Demar is basically guaranteed to get you around .500 whereas Green is not.
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Post by: Samsara on January 18, 2019, 10:37:50 AM
p.s. bosk - I'm pretty passionate about my hoops, so if I came off as aggressive, that's all it is. Nothing personal, you know that. We're all homer fans for our teams to some degree (ask me if I think the Wolves can beat most teams, I'll say they can, and argue it, and most folks would laugh. Ha ha.). But I just love the heated hoops debates. Nothing personal ever intended bud.
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Post by: Samsara on January 18, 2019, 10:42:39 AM
Sam - Please, please correct me if I am wrong here, but it sounds like you are saying that players who lift crap teams - "floor raisers" - are as important or maybe even more important than ceiling raisers. That may be my main point of disagreement with you. I would much rather have someone like Green than, say, Demar Derozan, even though Demar is basically guaranteed to get you around .500 whereas Green is not.

TOX - I'm not sure what you mean. I was talking specifically about Green, and admitting his talents, but making the argument that he'd be much more pedestrian on a lower level team because of his liabilities. I mean, sure, you put Green on...lets say the Celtics, and give him the ball, he'll raise their play. But put him on the Knicks, he's going to struggle.

And my overall point with Green is that while he IS valuable, he's not AS valuable, in terms of contract size. He wants a max deal. He's not worth that. AT ALL. Say he walks, and say some team with space (for shits and giggles, say the Knicks) gives it to him. Even with Knox and Porzingis, he's not going to be worth anywhere near that max deal, because the Knicks lack shooters that would mask his offensive liabilities.

As a PLAYER, I like Green's defense, hustle, and passing. I just don't think, on a lower team, its value makes up for the extreme liability he is as a shooter and offensive player. Am I being clearer?
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Post by: bosk1 on January 18, 2019, 10:45:03 AM
But unlike you, who is a hardcore Warriors fan...

Well, see, again, you aren't paying attention.  As I've made quite clear, I'm NOT a "hardcore Warriors fan" at all.  I have no problem admitting I am a bandwagon fan when it comes to the NBA, and I root for players I like.  Before this current era of the Warriors (starting with Jackson), I have NEVER been a Warriors fan.  But this team is a whole lot of fun to watch, and yes, I have been rooting for them. 

Of course, that doesn't mean I'm not biased.  I am, because it is a team I root for.  But not nearly as biased as you seem to think.

...I am looking at him objectively.

Well, no, you aren't though.  And that's the point.  And, as you said, I'm not saying that in a mean way.  But you are ignoring the actual facts and basing your argument on speculation about what might happen if he were somewhere else.  Conveniently, at this present time, we'll never know because he isn't somewhere else.  So we can speculate about what "might" happen somewhere else.  But in terms of what his role and value currently are to the Warriors, again, you are ignoring the actual facts, which are supported by those analysts who actually follow the team and understand what Green does.  TOX and Nekov get it.  As do countless others.  So, yeah, removing speculation about what "might" happen in some alternative universe where he isn't on the Warriors, I'm quite comfortable that Lowe's assessment is correct.

p.s. bosk - I'm pretty passionate about my hoops, so if I came off as aggressive, that's all it is. Nothing personal, you know that. We're all homer fans for our teams to some degree (ask me if I think the Wolves can beat most teams, I'll say they can, and argue it, and most folks would laugh. Ha ha.). But I just love the heated hoops debates. Nothing personal ever intended bud.

No worries there.  Yeah, I think you are dead wrong.  And I think you are being aggressive.  And it pisses me off.  But it's a sports thread, so I don't take it personally, and I welcome it.  :lol  I hope that feeling is reciprocal.
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Post by: Samsara on January 18, 2019, 10:48:21 AM
 :rollin :rollin

Hahhaha. Love you too bud.  :metal

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Post by: bosk1 on January 18, 2019, 11:00:01 AM
But if we really wanted to go at it, I'd only have one thing to say:  Come at me, bro. (https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=49536.msg2511512#msg2511512)  :bringiton:
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Post by: Samsara on January 18, 2019, 12:07:16 PM
So what do people think of the whole Kyrie calling Lebron thing? Angle to get back with him and to the Lakers? Kyrie is funny to me. The guy seems like a legit dude who cares, but he does some weird stuff. I mean, why would you tell anyone you called Lebron. It was supposed to be about getting advice to help you be a better team leader. After that win (after the call), all he should have done was say "I took a look at myself, and tried to do my best to help everyone on the team be successful. It worked tonight, and we'll keep plugging away the rest of the season."

Instead, he felt compelled to tell everyone who he talked to (knowing it would blow up), and getting all this attention, instead of just directing the attention to how well the team played. Dude is just an enigma.

My best guess is, he'll end up a free agent, and perhaps he will sign with the Suns. they need a PG, and with Booker and Ayton, he has pieces. Bring along Butler, and boom, instant playoff team. If Butler doesn't run them all off too, like he did in Minny, and is doing in Philly.  :lol
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Post by: Nekov on January 18, 2019, 12:22:24 PM
I think the NBA needs drama and journalism and fans just look for things to talk about instead of the actual game. The guy realized he wasn't being a good leader and that taking a team on his shoulders, the thing he left Cleveland for, wasn't as easy as he thought it would be. So he decided to call the one guy he knew could help him achieve his goal, and in the process he apologized because of the disrespectful way he left the Cavs. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Why did he tell that to the media? Because that's what players do nowadays. Their are TV and social media stars, being a basketball player is not enough for them anymore. They are questioned by everything they do and say so they feel the need to over-explain everything and try to please everyone. It's what it is.
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Post by: TAC on January 18, 2019, 04:25:26 PM
So what do people think of the whole Kyrie calling Lebron thing? Angle to get back with him and to the Lakers? Kyrie is funny to me. The guy seems like a legit dude who cares, but he does some weird stuff. I mean, why would you tell anyone you called Lebron. It was supposed to be about getting advice to help you be a better team leader.

I think Kyrie is a decent dude, but he talks to much about the stuff he feels. When he said he called "Bron" to apologize for being a PITA, he basically publicly called Brown, Rozier, etc PITAs.  :lol  I honestly don't think that was what he was trying to do. I think he wanted to tell people that he's a grown up now. :lol
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Post by: Lonk on January 19, 2019, 04:13:23 PM
OKC-PHI...good ending! Philly always seems to have bad defense at the end of games. Even after so many years of Westbrook being Westbrook, I still don’t like his style.
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Post by: Lonk on January 21, 2019, 06:17:37 PM
Carmelo traded to the Bulls. Probably will be waived by the bulls (I’m guessing). Crazy how quickly this guy’s career collapsed.
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Post by: Azyiu on January 21, 2019, 07:36:06 PM
Carmelo traded to the Bulls. Probably will be waived by the bulls (I’m guessing). Crazy how quickly this guy’s career collapsed.

The Bulls saved about $900,000... are they that much over the cap? Or were they in luxury tax territory?  :justjen
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Post by: Samsara on January 22, 2019, 07:43:57 AM
Carmelo traded to the Bulls. Probably will be waived by the bulls (I’m guessing). Crazy how quickly this guy’s career collapsed.

The Bulls saved about $900,000... are they that much over the cap? Or were they in luxury tax territory?  :justjen

No idea. Been wondering why they would even agree to do it. NBA Radio reported the trade was for "cash considerations." So why in the hell do it? Did the Paxon owe Daryl Morey a favor? Strange. They (NBA Radio's Frank Isola) reported that Melo will be released and be a free agent after Feb. 7 or 8 (I forget which).
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Post by: Nekov on January 22, 2019, 08:02:36 AM
Actually, according to what I've been reading it's Melo + cash cosiderations for draft rights to some international player. Chicago gets money and Houston gets the roster spot they needed to sign Faried.
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Post by: T-ski on January 22, 2019, 08:05:43 AM
Rockets actually had to waive a different player to acquire Faried because the league offices weren't open to finalize the trade due to MLK Day.
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Post by: Azyiu on January 22, 2019, 08:06:39 AM
Actually, according to what I've been reading it's Melo + cash cosiderations for draft rights to some international player. Chicago gets money and Houston gets the roster spot they needed to sign Faried.

Yes, I understand Houston's motive, but I don't get Chicago's. They saved so little money... but, they can keep Melo and move him for another trade.
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Post by: Samsara on January 22, 2019, 08:36:21 AM
Actually, according to what I've been reading it's Melo + cash cosiderations for draft rights to some international player. Chicago gets money and Houston gets the roster spot they needed to sign Faried.

Yes, I understand Houston's motive, but I don't get Chicago's. They saved so little money... but, they can keep Melo and move him for another trade.

They are going to outright release him in two weeks. Which is the reason I don't understand (like you) why Chicago would do it in the first place. I mean, why even bother?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Nekov on January 22, 2019, 09:19:08 AM
They got a Million in cash. As far as I understand, the only thing the owner of the Bulls cares about is money, so it makes sense from that point of view.
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Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Lonk on January 23, 2019, 09:16:51 PM
I know Harden is a great offensive player and 61 points is a huge night, but doing so on 17/38 FG, 5/20 3pt, while also taking 25 free throws is not that impressive to me. Him and Westbrook are my least favorite top-tier players to watch.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 24, 2019, 07:40:14 AM
I know Harden is ... offensive

This is not news.
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Post by: Samsara on January 24, 2019, 08:43:21 AM
Sucks that Vic Oladipo went down. Love watching that guy play. He's so driven. Hope it is a quick recovery, but sounds and looks like he is done until next year.

Not at all impressed with Harden. Never really have been. He's good, but his stats are inflated in D'Antoni's free-wheeling system. And he's the only guy on the team right now that can score. But going 5-20 on threes, and 17-38 overall...I mean, come on man.

A big thank you to Lebron for sitting tonight. Hopefully my Wolves can beat the Bron-less Lakers in Los Angeles. This whole year for the Wolves has been so frustrating. 4-9 with the Butler drama. They've gone 19-15 since then, but they've only been healthy for probably 10 of those 24 games. Even now - Teague (starting PG) is out (AGAIN...he has two long streaks of games missed), Covington (starting SF) is and has been out for a few weeks now. It's hard to make up ground in the west when two of your starters are not playing. Not to mention Rose going down for a bit, and now Tyus Jones (backup PG) being out indefinitely. To be 23-24 after all that, plus a coaching change, is pretty damn good. But just as I think they are about to turn the corner, something else happens. Hopefully they can get back to .500 tonight, and then get healthy and push for a playoff spot.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: bosk1 on January 24, 2019, 09:00:09 AM
Not at all impressed with Harden. Never really have been. He's good, but his stats are inflated in D'Antoni's free-wheeling system. And he's the only guy on the team right now that can score. But going 5-20 on threes, and 17-38 overall...I mean, come on man.

I respect the skill, but not the opportunism.  25 free throws in a game where at least half should have been no calls because he initiated the contact?  Come on!  The NBA really needs to come up with a "Harden rule" along the lines of:  "Where a shooter alters his shooting motion with the apparent intent to initiate contact, and incidental contact occurs as a result, the defensive player who made the incidental contact shall not be deemed to have committed a foul."  I'm tired of him saying, "if you don't want me to get to the line, don't foul me." 
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 24, 2019, 09:48:29 AM
:iagree:

The whole jumping in to a defender just to get a foul is BS.  Same thing when contact is after the ball has left the shooter's hands.
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Post by: Samsara on January 24, 2019, 09:51:07 AM

I respect the skill, but not the opportunism.  25 free throws in a game where at least half should have been no calls because he initiated the contact?  Come on!  The NBA really needs to come up with a "Harden rule" along the lines of:  "Where a shooter alters his shooting motion with the apparent intent to initiate contact, and incidental contact occurs as a result, the defensive player who made the incidental contact shall not be deemed to have committed a foul."  I'm tired of him saying, "if you don't want me to get to the line, don't foul me."

Completely agree. They made a rule that makes it an offensive foul if a player kicks a defender while shooting (aka the Reggie Miller rule). Why not do the same thing with Harden? No jumping into a player to initiate that contact. If its already a rule, it needs to be enforced. If its not, you create it. Very simple.
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Post by: jingle.boy on January 24, 2019, 09:54:03 AM
I see lots of shooters doing it.  At least once a game.
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Post by: Samsara on January 24, 2019, 11:12:07 AM
I see lots of shooters doing it.  At least once a game.

Tolliver on the Wolves does it, and got rang up for it a few games ago. It needs to be better enforced. I saw the Wolves all starting to do the Harden move too, and then it stopped. I'm thinking when Ryan Saunders took over for Thibs, he put an end to that. Good.
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Post by: Azyiu on January 24, 2019, 06:02:41 PM
Looks like CP3 will be back either this Sunday vs the Magic or next Tuesday against the Pels; and try to re-injure himself all over again  :biggrin:  :corn
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Post by: Samsara on January 25, 2019, 07:59:28 AM
From a 4-9 start, and then jettisoning Butler (thank God), the Wolves have gone 20-15, despite regularly playing without two of their primary rotation guys (Teague - starting PG, Covington - starting SF), and two of the most used backups - Derrick Rose and Tyus Jones. Oh, and another coaching change. Pretty remarkable that an NBA team in the Western Conference, with all the early season drama, all the injuries, and a coaching change, now stands at 24-24, and is on the cusp of re-taking a playoff spot. Shows a lot about the heart of my Timberwolves team, particularly Karl-Anthony Towns.

I've heard a lot of bullshit the last 10 games or so about the Wolves playing teams with an injured star (Lakers, etc.). Well, the T-Wolves are shorthanded by missing FOUR of their regular players, including three of which that play starter minutes...and yet they are still 20-15 since getting rid of Butler in a ridiculously competitive Western Conference.

I don't expect the Wolves to win tonight down four guys headed into Utah on the second night of a back-to-back. But I'm a pretty proud fan that the team has scratched and clawed its way back to .500 after that 4-9 start and all the injuries, drama, and coaching change.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 25, 2019, 10:31:56 AM
Good win by the Wolves last night.
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Post by: Lonk on January 28, 2019, 05:48:57 AM
Now Davis wants to be traded. He still has another year left under contract and could help another team, but I’m sure Pelicans will ask for too much to trade him.
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Post by: Azyiu on January 28, 2019, 05:52:11 AM
AD suddenly asked to be traded to a winner... hmm... KD + Cousins to NO for AD sounds good to me  :biggrin:
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Post by: Nekov on January 28, 2019, 06:11:49 AM
Now Davis wants to be traded. He still has another year left under contract and could help another team, but I’m sure Pelicans will ask for too much to trade him.

They can't ask for too much. AD is a game changer and has been showing it for the past 2 years. Lakers and Celtics will be the first to call since AD has been linked with those teams already. I could see the knicks trying to get in the conversation as well. Not sure who else has good enough assets to interest NOLA
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on January 28, 2019, 06:47:43 AM
The Lakers might have the upper hand right now because the Celtics simply cannot trade for Davis unless they trade Kyrie for him, IIRC. Both Davis and Kyrie are on a specific kind of contract that you can only have one of per team, or something.

The problem is that the Lakers young assets have lost a lot of value. Also, teams have not been listening to team-specific trade requests recently. Paul George went to the Thunder, Kawhi to the Raptors, etc. This will be interesting!
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Post by: Nekov on January 28, 2019, 06:54:55 AM
The Lakers might have the upper hand right now because the Celtics simply cannot trade for Davis unless they trade Kyrie for him, IIRC. Both Davis and Kyrie are on a specific kind of contract that you can only have one of per team, or something.

This is correct. The Celtics need to wait until July or somehow deal Irving to another team.

The problem is that the Lakers young assets have lost a lot of value. Also, teams have not been listening to team-specific trade requests recently. Paul George went to the Thunder, Kawhi to the Raptors, etc. This will be interesting!

Interesting how it's always the Lakers right? But hey, only minor tampering with PG which resulted in a fine worth half a million which is change money for them...
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Post by: Nekov on January 28, 2019, 06:57:56 AM
And as some guy on Twitter is saying, shouldn't the NBA do something about Klutch Sports? There should be some sort of conflict of interest there since we all know Lebron is the guy who manages that even if Rich Paul is the president.
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Post by: Samsara on January 28, 2019, 08:34:28 AM
Since most of the folks posting in this thread are hoops junkies, I need to ask this.

When is the last time you remember a team down (at the same) TWO STARTERS (PG and SF), the 6th man (PG/SG), and a relied on rotation backup PG?

So down four key rotational players, continually, for a half a dozen games?

And for 23 STRAIGHT GAMES, being without at least two of those rotational players?

Welcome to my world with the Minnesota Timberwolves. I am so pissed off we lost two games of a home-in-home set with Utah, but then Jim Petersen on the Wolves broadcast last night brought that 23 straight games stat to my attention, and I'm actually pretty surprised we're ONLY two games under .500 at 24-26, particularly given the Butler drama and the coaching change.

Then I started thinking about injuries, and I don't honestly recall a team being without four rotation players in recent history. Usually its one guy, maybe two, but FOUR? We're running with our FOURTH STRING PG at this point, and have LUOL DENG in rotation at SF at this point. Its crazy.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Nekov on January 28, 2019, 11:36:39 AM
Well, that's classic thibbs running players to the ground. This is what happens. You'll eventually come from under it though. I think you have a good chance to make it in the playoffs if you guys get healthy.
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Post by: bosk1 on January 28, 2019, 11:45:29 AM
Well, that's classic thibbs running players to the ground. This is what happens. You'll eventually come from under it though. I think you have a good chance to make it in the playoffs if you guys get healthy.

Speaking of running players into the ground, I'm kind of baffled by Kerr's decision to resort to a 9-man rotation for the Warriors for the last two games and to play is starters so many minutes.  I know Jerebko missed both of those games, but still odd that Cook and Bell did not get any time at all.  I haven't seen Kerr comment on it (although maybe he has somewhere that I haven't seen).  I wonder it that will continue tonight at Indiana as well.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on January 28, 2019, 11:49:30 AM
Well, that's classic thibbs running players to the ground. This is what happens. You'll eventually come from under it though. I think you have a good chance to make it in the playoffs if you guys get healthy.

When Gibson got tossed and Dieng had to leave with a hip pointer, we were down SIX rotation players on Friday night. It was insane.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Nekov on January 29, 2019, 04:42:55 AM
Well, that's classic thibbs running players to the ground. This is what happens. You'll eventually come from under it though. I think you have a good chance to make it in the playoffs if you guys get healthy.

Speaking of running players into the ground, I'm kind of baffled by Kerr's decision to resort to a 9-man rotation for the Warriors for the last two games and to play is starters so many minutes.  I know Jerebko missed both of those games, but still odd that Cook and Bell did not get any time at all.  I haven't seen Kerr comment on it (although maybe he has somewhere that I haven't seen).  I wonder it that will continue tonight at Indiana as well.

Didn't Kerr have a fight during a game with one of them? That would explain one of those cases.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: bosk1 on January 29, 2019, 07:47:03 AM
Nah, back to normal.  Green had the night off, and Kerr still played 12 guys.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on January 29, 2019, 08:32:03 AM
This whole AD thing is predictable and ridiculous. I mean, everyone knew it was coming. I think the Super Max contract is ridiculous and obviously is not a big enough enticement to make most players stay in a place. Unlike a lot of fans, I enjoy the free agency period and trades and all that player movement stuff...to a degree. But this whole forcing your way out of a situation is getting old.

Anthony Davis IF (and that's a big IF) he's healthy is a top-5 player in the league. You can't have those guys just strong-arming their way to wherever they want. I mean, in the 80s through the mid-90s, you had to force Ewing off the Knicks (which I still disagree with). These types of foundational players need to stay where they are. Players in the NBA have WAY too much control. If you're under contract -- you're under contract. Stop holding teams (and fan bases) hostage because you're antsy to go somewhere else. Honor your contract, then move on if that's your desire. Just getting tired of it.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: T-ski on January 29, 2019, 08:51:37 AM
I agree that the players have taken control of the league, but New Orleans have put absolute junk around Davis.  Outside of Demarcus Cousins for less than a season, what have the Pelicans done to entice him to stay? Yes, Jrue Holiday is a very good player, but look at what Davis has had to work with since he came into the league, it isn't pretty.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: KevShmev on January 29, 2019, 09:12:57 AM
I don't have any problem with players having this much control.  What is the issue with players having a large say-so in where they get to work?  Sure, it throws off the competitive balance, but that is the league's problem, not that of the players. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: T-ski on January 29, 2019, 09:21:15 AM
I don't have any problem with players having this much control.  What is the issue with players having a large say-so in where they get to work?  Sure, it throws off the competitive balance, but that is the league's problem, not that of the players.

players do have a say-so, when they become free agents.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: KevShmev on January 29, 2019, 09:30:11 AM
I don't have any problem with players having this much control.  What is the issue with players having a large say-so in where they get to work?  Sure, it throws off the competitive balance, but that is the league's problem, not that of the players.

players do have a say-so, when they become free agents.

True, but the problem there is what if you get drafted by a horrible franchise and end up being a good player?  That team can hold on to you for four years, since rookie contracts last two years and teams have the option for the 3rd and 4th years (if I am not mistaken), and you could see four years of your prime going to waste on a terrible team.  I can't blame a player for wanting to get out of that situation.  Anthony Davis' greatness has gone to waste for years on a team that has shown it is incapable of surround him with a good supporting cast.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: T-ski on January 29, 2019, 09:38:57 AM
I don't have any problem with players having this much control.  What is the issue with players having a large say-so in where they get to work?  Sure, it throws off the competitive balance, but that is the league's problem, not that of the players.

players do have a say-so, when they become free agents.

True, but the problem there is what if you get drafted by a horrible franchise and end up being a good player?  That team can hold on to you for four years, since rookie contracts last two years and teams have the option for the 3rd and 4th years (if I am not mistaken), and you could see four years of your prime going to waste on a terrible team.  I can't blame a player for wanting to get out of that situation.  Anthony Davis' greatness has gone to waste for years on a team that has shown it is incapable of surround him with a good supporting cast.

Davis signed a 5 year extension, he didn't have to, but he did. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Nekov on January 29, 2019, 09:40:31 AM
This whole AD thing is predictable and ridiculous. I mean, everyone knew it was coming. I think the Super Max contract is ridiculous and obviously is not a big enough enticement to make most players stay in a place. Unlike a lot of fans, I enjoy the free agency period and trades and all that player movement stuff...to a degree. But this whole forcing your way out of a situation is getting old.

The Supermax was half a good idea before the Cap spiked. After that it just doesn't makes sense anymore. Players on a regular max still get to make a shitload of money. Plus, the supermax depends on people, players and journalists voting you into the all star game, which is completely ludicrous. The league and the owners should come up with better ways to make smaller markets more enticing.
As T-ski points out, NOLA didn't do a good job putting a good enough team around him. It's harder for a small market to do so, but look at how good Oklahoma has been, even having to let go of Durant and Harden. It can be done if the front office does things the right way, which in today's NBA seems to be less and less likely.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: KevShmev on January 29, 2019, 09:43:06 AM


Davis signed a 5 year extension, he didn't have to, but he did.

I am aware, but hey, people change their minds all the time, and as I said before, I ultimately do not have a problem with a player trying to dictate where he works, and it goes without saying that teams will do whatever they can to break a contract (releasing or trading someone) as well, so the door swings both ways.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on January 29, 2019, 09:58:12 AM

The Supermax was half a good idea before the Cap spiked. After that it just doesn't makes sense anymore. Players on a regular max still get to make a shitload of money. Plus, the supermax depends on people, players and journalists voting you into the all star game, which is completely ludicrous. The league and the owners should come up with better ways to make smaller markets more enticing.

Completely agree. The All Star stuff is a joke at this point.

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As T-ski points out, NOLA didn't do a good job putting a good enough team around him. It's harder for a small market to do so, but look at how good Oklahoma has been, even having to let go of Durant and Harden. It can be done if the front office does things the right way, which in today's NBA seems to be less and less likely.

NOLA did a great thing by getting Cousins, and then having Holiday. But it fell apart once Cousins was let go. Had they kept Cousins, this might be different.



Davis signed a 5 year extension, he didn't have to, but he did.

I am aware, but hey, people change their minds all the time, and as I said before, I ultimately do not have a problem with a player trying to dictate where he works, and it goes without saying that teams will do whatever they can to break a contract (releasing or trading someone) as well, so the door swings both ways.

I agree with T-Ski. You sign a contract, and your work is work by contract, you honor that contract. That's something I have had a problem with from the get-go with players. YOU signed to be there. YOU get paid a lot of money to play a game for a living. Just because your work environment has made a turn for what you consider to be the worst, or you desire to leave, that's not your employer's problem. Not in a contract-based environment. I can understand players wanting to leave. But you signed a contract, you knew what was in it when you signed it, you honor it. Plain and simple. You can privately tell that employer that you'd like to be moved, but I completely disagree with how today's players take everything public.

NOLA drafted AD. AD could at least do them the courtesy of acting professionally regarding his desire to play elsewhere.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: KevShmev on January 29, 2019, 10:53:43 AM
Yes, they sign a contract, but rookies basically have no choice but to sign a contract with the team that drafts that, or else they can sit out, not play and make no money.   
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on January 29, 2019, 11:43:00 AM
Yes, they sign a contract, but rookies basically have no choice but to sign a contract with the team that drafts that, or else they can sit out, not play and make no money.

Yep, its called a collective bargaining agreement. That's in it. Negotiated and agreed to by the players.

The same thing with what I am complaining about -- the excessive movement. That was agreed to by the owners, whether they like it or not.

That's what those negotiations are for, and I am sure both those points will be on the table the next time the agreement is up for renewal. I can counterpoint you on anything regarding this Kev. Sorta pointless. I was just personally complaining out loud that I think anyone who legally agrees to bind themselves to something for a set period of time should honor that agreement instead of trying to weasel out of it. Its a matter of professionalism.

For me, I'm very curious where the next CBA goes for the NBA. I have a feeling that because all parties involved now make TONS more in revenue, there won't be a work stoppage. But I could see things getting very tense discussing player contracts and restrictions. The tampering is at an all time high and I could see the owners drawing a line in the sand to a degree to get back some control. I hope it doesn't come to that, but its very possible.

A lot of fans can't stand the labor stuff, but I'm glued to it (most likely due to what I do for a living), and find the negotiations fascinating.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Nekov on January 29, 2019, 12:35:40 PM
If you want to go with technicalities, the players actually sign a contract with the NBA, regardless of the team that makes the offer which is why any team can trade a player without their consent. One day you are in GSW and have a chance to win a ring, the next you are in Cleveland tanking, in a city that doesn't offer much and with other players that don't want to be there. If a player can be moved around the country without being asked which means sometimes relocating your family, finding a new home and everything else implied then I think it's fair to let them complain about their situation and trying to make the best of it whenever they get the chance.

Regarding this being an agreement, not everything is what people want them to be. A lot of these are compromises to avoid another lockout which hurts the whole product. In recent years the players realized that the game can't be played without them and have made steps towards taking control of the situation. Not all the results are great honestly, (the CAP situation a couple years ago was a result of something they asked for) but I think the game is fairer towards the players now.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on January 29, 2019, 02:55:43 PM
If you want to go with technicalities, the players actually sign a contract with the NBA, regardless of the team that makes the offer which is why any team can trade a player without their consent. One day you are in GSW and have a chance to win a ring, the next you are in Cleveland tanking, in a city that doesn't offer much and with other players that don't want to be there. If a player can be moved around the country without being asked which means sometimes relocating your family, finding a new home and everything else implied then I think it's fair to let them complain about their situation and trying to make the best of it whenever they get the chance.

Actually, that's not quite true, Nekov. For sure, rookies are on a rookie contract. But when you sign your extension, your agent is permit to negotiate the particulars of the extension, including no-trade clauses. Most do NOT, because you lose leverage with the money. Admittedly, its not until the rookie extension is finished (when players) are generally somewhere in their mid-to-late-20s, that players who have achieved a lot can demand more.

I don't have any sympathy for NBA players. The minimum salary for someone with ZERO experience in the league is over $830,000 per season. Those who have spent ANY time on an NBA roster are considered to have one year of experience, and that salary jumps to about $1,350,000 per season. So while there are hoops players have to jump through with their families if they are traded, that comes with the territory, and they are WELL compensated for any inconvenience they may have.

I've got friends who are high level company execs who make $300,000 or $400,000 per year, and are on the road continually, sacrificing a lot of family time to provide an upscale life for their families. NBA players get WAY more than that annually, and very few are actually traded (comparatively speaking). It's a part of the NBA lifestyle. If you're that good, you get drafted, and you're a decent player, that's part of the gig. There's a reason why these guys are now highly compensated. They are taken care of. Completely. Not to mention their pensions. I'm not saying they shouldn't still strive to get paid more -- of course they and their reps should. But if you sign a contract, fulfill it, and if you aren't happy, move on. This whole entitlement thing from guys in their 20s these days is just baffling.

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Regarding this being an agreement, not everything is what people want them to be. A lot of these are compromises to avoid another lockout which hurts the whole product. In recent years the players realized that the game can't be played without them and have made steps towards taking control of the situation. Not all the results are great honestly, (the CAP situation a couple years ago was a result of something they asked for) but I think the game is fairer towards the players now.

Oh, I totally agree that something had to be done, and it IS fairer toward players. For sure. And like any labor group, they push for more and more, and the ownership pushes back. Both sides probably regret some of what they agreed to. But that's why there's negotiation and compromise. With the huge streams of revenue the game has brought in, particularly the last 15 years, I don't think there WILL be a work stoppage next time the CBA is up for renewal, but I do think both sides are going to dig their heels in a bit more this time around.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: jingle.boy on January 29, 2019, 04:55:03 PM
Really not sure where the sympathy for the players is coming from.  The limitations of a players ability to move is prevalent in EVERY sport, and has been for ... ever?  Rookie's in every sport only have the right to sign with the team that drafted them - unless the player is undrafted.  This isn't a surprise to any professional sports athlete.  Cry me a river.  No one - NO ONE - is guaranteed a winning/successful franchise.  Otherwise all the best players would always end up on a very limited set of 'best' teams.  CBA's bring benefit to the league (no matter what sport) as a whole - owners AND players.  It may not always benefit one specific player to their specific wants and desires, but tough shit, AD.

And the CBA dictates the Ts and Cs of what rights players and owners have... as mentioned, AGREED TO BY THE PLAYERS UNION, so suck-it-the-fuck-up (AD), and commit to executing what your Union agreed to.  The more these players shirk their responsibilities in their contracts, the more the owners will use that against the PA for THEIR benefit in a CBA negotiation.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: T-ski on January 31, 2019, 07:29:28 AM
Raps/Bucks tonight.  If the Bucks win they hold the series tie-breaker for the season.

Fear the Deer.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on January 31, 2019, 08:15:51 AM
Raps/Bucks tonight.  If the Bucks win they hold the series tie-breaker for the season.

Fear the Deer.

Leonard playing for the Raps? If so, will be an incredible game. I'll have to catch the replay.

Hell of a win by the Wolves last night. Down three PGs and their starting SF, they get a big game from 4th stringer Bayless, and a game winner from BIG KAT. I was so pissed off when Bayless hogged the ball at the end of regulation and missed two shots, when he was supposed to give it to KAT. And in OT, they barely scored, but that final shot by KAT, I knew it the moment it hit its apex. Just great rotation.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: jingle.boy on January 31, 2019, 08:46:25 AM
Raps/Bucks tonight.  If the Bucks win they hold the series tie-breaker for the season.

Fear the Deer.

Leonard playing for the Raps? If so, will be an incredible game. I'll have to catch the replay.

All indications are  :tup

@ T-Ski... the second tie-breaker is the Conference record, is it not?  The Bucks CURRENTLY hold that over the Raps (24-7 for Bucks; 22-9 for Raps), but there's still a few more games left  ;)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: T-ski on January 31, 2019, 08:58:47 AM
Raps/Bucks tonight.  If the Bucks win they hold the series tie-breaker for the season.

Fear the Deer.

Leonard playing for the Raps? If so, will be an incredible game. I'll have to catch the replay.

All indications are  :tup

@ T-Ski... the second tie-breaker is the Conference record, is it not?  The Bucks CURRENTLY hold that over the Raps (24-7 for Bucks; 22-9 for Raps), but there's still a few more games left  ;)

so a Bucks win separates them even further, I like it.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Lonk on January 31, 2019, 02:04:11 PM
Bye-Bye Porzingis  to the Mavs. Don't know how I feel about this trade. Porzingis is too injury-prone, and we are getting DeAndre Jordan. I think the Knicks wont this Trade, but I dont think it will make much of a difference in the long run.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: T-ski on January 31, 2019, 02:22:32 PM
very interesting trade.

Knicks use Porzingis to unload all their bad contracts to open 2 max slots next summer and get back Dennis Smith Jr.

Mavs get Porzingis, but he says he'll sign his qualifying offer which makes him a FA after next season.

crazy stuff.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on January 31, 2019, 03:04:26 PM
On its face, obviously the Knicks trading the face of their franchise looks bad. But the deal could turn out to be pretty smart. While the Wolves are my #1, and have been, I became a fan of them by watching them play the Knicks in the 1989-90 season. So I've always considered the Knicks my #2 team, and of course, hometown team.

Here is why I think the trade is actually smart:

1. KP was NOT happy with what he saw with the Knicks. He saw all the losing, saw the way Enes Kanter was being phazed out, didn't like lots of little things. He was likely going to walk. The Knicks knew that, and knew that if they wanted to get more from him leaving than a pick (which would be the compensation from KP being a restricted FA instead of an unrestricted FA), they needed to do a deal.

2. The Knicks realized that they simply don't have their PG of the future on the roster. By getting Dennis Smith Jr., who has had a tough sophmore year, but clear was the PG the Knicks SHOULD have drafted, they correct a mistake, and I think DSJr. is going to be really good in New York.

3. You open up TWO max salary slots, because Jordan and Matthews are FAs after this year, and you've ridded yourself of a horrendous deal with Tim Hardaway Jr.

4. With two open max slots, a core of DSJr., Kevin Knox, Alonzo Trier, Mitchell Robinson, in the EAST, you slide in two big name FA (say Durant and Irving).

5. IF that happens, then you have this:

Robinson
Durant
Knox
Dennis Smith Jr. (would have to slide to the 2)
Kyrie Irving

>>>That starting 5, plus Alonzo Trier and some bench depth, gets you in the top-5 in the East.

6. IF the Knicks also end up getting the #1 pick (I think Jordan and Matthews will be bought out and waived), you add Zion Williamson to that mix. Then you have:

C - Robinson
PF - Williamson
SF - Durant
SG - Knox
PG - Irving

6th - DSJr (combo guard)

>>>That could compete for the East title. In as little as a year.

Now, that's a SHIT TON of "ifs." And I don't really think its going to happen that way. Let me repeat that -- I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. Those are best case scenarios. But Porzingis was going to leave, period. So the Knicks maximized what they could get, and set themselves up to be fiscally solid for the future as well, and major players moving forward. I think it was a brilliant move. But the optics of it are TERRIBLE.

The Wolves fan in me hates this. To think if KP resigns with the Mavs, seeing KP and Doncic, five times a year or whatever? Ugh.

But the Knicks, knowing KP was going to likely leave, made the absolute right move, even if it looks horrendous.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: T-ski on January 31, 2019, 03:24:27 PM
Dallas is sending *2* first round picks to NY as well.

If Porzingis does sign the qualifying offer and becomes a FA, Dallas has nothing.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on January 31, 2019, 06:30:48 PM
Dallas is sending *2* first round picks to NY as well.

If Porzingis does sign the qualifying offer and becomes a FA, Dallas has nothing.

The two picks will be cool. The first is 2021, and unprotected. The second is 2023, and is 1-10 protected.

Porzingis has told Dallas he IS signing the QO.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: jingle.boy on January 31, 2019, 08:43:50 PM
Weak 2nd quarter killed the Raps. Especially 3-point shooting. Great D by the Bucks ... completely blanketed the starting lineup.

Can't wait to have JV back.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Nekov on February 01, 2019, 05:19:51 AM
Dallas is sending *2* first round picks to NY as well.

If Porzingis does sign the qualifying offer and becomes a FA, Dallas has nothing.

The two picks will be cool. The first is 2021, and unprotected. The second is 2023, and is 1-10 protected.

Porzingis has told Dallas he IS signing the QO.

I saw contradicting reports on this. Some say he is going to evaluate the franchise first. He is a big fan of Dirk and is friends with Luka. Luka+KP should be fun
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: T-ski on February 01, 2019, 07:17:56 AM
Weak 2nd quarter killed the Raps. Especially 3-point shooting. Great D by the Bucks ... completely blanketed the starting lineup.

Can't wait to have JV back.

both Giannis and Kwahi had off nights.  Bucks defense was the difference for sure. 

I'm not sure how to handle this success, Bucks haven't been relevant since 2000-2001.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: jingle.boy on February 01, 2019, 07:26:57 AM
Weak 2nd quarter killed the Raps. Especially 3-point shooting. Great D by the Bucks ... completely blanketed the starting lineup.

Can't wait to have JV back.

both Giannis and Kwahi had off nights.  Bucks defense was the difference for sure. 

I'm not sure how to handle this success, Bucks haven't been relevant since 2000-2001.

Four fouls for GA just 4 minutes into the 3rd Quarter will do that to ya.  All of the starters (save Siakim) looked 'off' for the Raps.  It was their 2nd unit that brought them back to respectability in the 3rd.

Last home loss by the Raps??  Against the Bucks in December.  Hopefully they don't become our new Kryptonite.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Nekov on February 06, 2019, 06:33:02 AM
The Sixers traded for Tobias Harris. If they can integrate him with the team in this second half of the season they will be scary good. I think they might be able to challenge the Bucks to get to the finals (Sorry J-boy but we all know the raptors will go all Rex from toy story come playoff time)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: jingle.boy on February 06, 2019, 07:32:03 AM
The Sixers traded for Tobias Harris. If they can integrate him with the team in this second half of the season they will be scary good. I think they might be able to challenge the Bucks to get to the finals (Sorry J-boy but we all know the raptors will go all Rex from toy story come playoff time)

Perhaps I'm getting a little homer-ish, but I think they've made enough adjustments in personnel and coaching tactics that the culture is different.  This isn't the same team despite the jersey's they wear - plus, no Lebron to give them the yips.  The big question mark at this point is how Lowry's back will hold up.  Leonard will be fine - the team has been managing his workload for him to be playoff ready.  JV coming back tomorrow, so he got a nice 2-month rest. Siakim has made huge strides this year.

One of us will be eating crow come June.  Let's just remember what page this comment is on, and revisit it in 4 months.  ;)

Philly looked god awful last night, except for a couple of brief spurts to start the 3rd and 4th.  No rebounding, terrible turnovers, and mailing in the defence for the 1st half.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Nekov on February 06, 2019, 07:43:11 AM
I just read that the raptors are looking to possibly trading Lowry for Connely. That would be interesting
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: jingle.boy on February 06, 2019, 08:02:01 AM
I just read that the raptors are looking to possibly trading Lowry for Connely. That would be interesting

Whatever article you read has it back asswards.  The *Raptors* are not looking to move Lowry or obtain Connely - the prevailing thought is that the rumours (which also included JV and Gasol last night) are from calls floated out by Memphis management to generate some buzz to make SOME kind of deal happen.

Guess we'll know in about 30 hours.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2019, 08:04:53 AM
I expect the Raptors to break through with or without Lowry.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Nekov on February 06, 2019, 08:08:40 AM
I just read that the raptors are looking to possibly trading Lowry for Connely. That would be interesting

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https://www.si.com/nba/2019/02/05/nba-trade-rumors-mike-conley-kyle-lowry-marc-gasol-grizzlies-raptors?utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_twitter_si&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=thecrossover (https://www.si.com/nba/2019/02/05/nba-trade-rumors-mike-conley-kyle-lowry-marc-gasol-grizzlies-raptors?utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_twitter_si&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=thecrossover)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on February 06, 2019, 08:56:25 AM
I think the Sixers made a fantastic move. Both for this season, and the future.

For this season, with that big four of Embid, Simmons, Butler, Harris, they have a ton of scoring, solid defense, and you can always have one or two of those guys who will still be on the floor when the reserves come in, to take on a bigger scoring load. Bench-wise, while McConnel isn't a 3 pt threat, Mike Scott certainly is, and combined with JJ Reddick, they can bomb away from deep, despite two main rotation guys not being distance shooters.

The East just got a new favorite, and its the Philadelphia 76ers.

As for next year, this works too. If Butler opts to stay, you pay him his max, and then you pay Harris his max. You're way over the cap, but have your top four players locked in (Simmons will resign when its time, he's not going to decline his rookie extension). If Butler decides to LEAVE, that's OK, because you're still covered with Harris, who has shown himself to be an outstanding scorer and good defender. Elton Brand should be commended for what he's done. Damn good move.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: jingle.boy on February 06, 2019, 09:09:30 AM
https://www.si.com/nba/2019/02/05/nba-trade-rumors-mike-conley-kyle-lowry-marc-gasol-grizzlies-raptors?utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_twitter_si&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=thecrossover (https://www.si.com/nba/2019/02/05/nba-trade-rumors-mike-conley-kyle-lowry-marc-gasol-grizzlies-raptors?utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_twitter_si&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=thecrossover)

Interesting.  The analysts on TSN last night said the exact opposite - that it was Memphis making the calls, not Ujiri.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: T-ski on February 07, 2019, 12:41:32 PM
Everyone in the top of the East making moves!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Nekov on February 07, 2019, 12:55:47 PM
This is way more fun than watching all those blowout games we get lately.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Samsara on February 07, 2019, 01:19:40 PM
Philly has to be the favorite coming out of the east...as long as that chemistry is there. They just added that bench depth they needed too in a couple of other trades (Fultz is now with Orlando). Great moves by Elton Brand and company.

Side note - really pleased to see that Caris Levert of the Nets (SG, averages 18+ PPG) is returning Friday for them. He was injured against my TWolves about two months ago. Glad he was able to come back and avoid surgery. Gruesome fall he took.

as for my Wolves...did what I expected...nothing. Smart, because honestly, if they ever got healthy, they'd be deep and pretty good. Hopefully Teague, Rose, Covington and Jones come back soon. Sorta difficult to play when you are missing four of your top nine players, including two starters.

Like the Raptors trade. Gasol is an upgrade. Not a huge one, but very nice. Looks like the East is four deep now, with the Raptors, Bucks, Sixers, and Celtics. I don't see anyone else in the East having a legit shot, except, improbably, the Nets, which wouldn't surprise me if they had a first round upset if they matched up right with the right team.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: jingle.boy on February 07, 2019, 01:28:32 PM
Gasol's defence better be top shelf, because his offensive minutes are a lot more than JV (as well as his price tag - $9M more than JV), but his stats / game aren't terribly higher.  Wright/Miles gave some decent and dependable rest minutes for the likes of Lowry, Green and Van Fleet, so it'll be interesting to see how they fill those spots out.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: jingle.boy on February 07, 2019, 02:56:37 PM
Apparently the Raps are offloading Greg Monroe for a 2nd rounder from the Nets.  No need for him if it's gonna be Gasol/Ibaka down the middle.  Hopefully they both stay healthy.  Monroe did some good work to backup Ibaka while JV was out.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Cavs 2-game winning streak!
Post by: Lonk on February 07, 2019, 08:53:33 PM
What a shot
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fighting to get a 1st round thumping
Post by: KevShmev on February 07, 2019, 09:07:00 PM
Great shot.  If the Lakers are lucky, they can go on a run, grab the 8 seed, and get their asses kicked in the 1st round by the Warriors. :tup :tup
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fighting to get a 1st round thumping
Post by: jingle.boy on February 08, 2019, 05:30:26 AM
With only 9 men dressed, it would've been easy for the Raps to fold up shop (and they basically did in the 1st H giving up 68 to the Hawks) and mail it in. But, helluva 2nd half to take it going away.  Career highs from both Siakim and VanFleet, while holding the Hawks to 33 in 2H (same as what they got in the first QUARTER).

Again, I know... it's just the Hawks.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fighting to get a 1st round thumping
Post by: Lonk on February 08, 2019, 11:45:20 AM
I like the way the draft was done for the All-Star game. I also like the idea of trading players. It should be fun this year

Great shot.  If the Lakers are lucky, they can go on a run, grab the 8 seed, and get their asses kicked in the 1st round by the Warriors. :tup :tup

Yeah, IF the lakers make the playoffs (probably 6-8 seed), it will be a first round exit, which will be the first time LeBron gets eliminated in the first round of the playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fighting to get a 1st round thumping
Post by: Nekov on February 08, 2019, 11:52:41 AM
Both the Warriors and OKC should be able to deal with the Lakers without much problems, however, as good as the Nuggets are right now, I'm not sure they can deal with playoff Lebron and playoff Rondo. They're still young and have no experience in the post-season.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fighting to get a 1st round thumping
Post by: bosk1 on February 08, 2019, 02:47:43 PM
But it's much less poetic if it's some team other than the Warriors kicking LeBron's team to the curb.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fighting to get a 1st round thumping
Post by: Samsara on February 08, 2019, 03:42:15 PM
Warriors-Sixers in the NBA Finals.

Warriors in 7. Will be a thriller.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fighting to get a 1st round thumping
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2019, 03:43:30 PM
Warriors-Sixers in the NBA Finals.

Warriors in 7. Will be a thriller.

That's wont go 7. Not even close.

But it's a moot point anyway because the Sixers are NOT coming out of the East.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fighting to get a 1st round thumping
Post by: bosk1 on February 08, 2019, 04:04:58 PM
I'm not remotely ready to call the east.  It got REALLY interesting in the last 24 hours. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fighting to get a 1st round thumping
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2019, 04:07:14 PM
I'm not remotely ready to call the east.  It got REALLY interesting in the last 24 hours.

It'll be Bucks/Raptors in the East Finals.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fighting to get a 1st round thumping
Post by: Samsara on February 08, 2019, 04:17:03 PM
I hate Butler, but I will put a small wager on Philly coming out of the East and not Boston. Loser buys a CD  for the winner of the winner's choosing up to $20 (total). You in, TAC?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fighting to get a 1st round thumping
Post by: bosk1 on February 08, 2019, 04:18:03 PM
Well, since he didn't pick Boston, I don't see him taking that bet, but...  :dunno:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fighting to get a 1st round thumping
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2019, 04:32:29 PM
Well, since he didn't pick Boston, I don't see him taking that bet, but...  :dunno:

 :lol  Right?!


I hate Butler, but I will put a small wager on Philly coming out of the East and not Boston. Loser buys a CD  for the winner of the winner's choosing up to $20 (total). You in, TAC?

I don't bet, Sam, so you'll have to settle for an "I told you so!"  ;D
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fighting to get a 1st round thumping
Post by: T-ski on February 08, 2019, 05:47:39 PM
Warriors-Sixers in the NBA Finals.

Warriors in 7. Will be a thriller.

I will have to disagree.  The Mirotic trade for the Bucks was sneaky good, and they didnt give up anything other than 2nd round picks. Both the Sixers and Raps depleted their bench’s in their acquisitions.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fighting to get a 1st round thumping
Post by: jingle.boy on February 09, 2019, 03:17:51 AM
Warriors-Sixers in the NBA Finals.

Warriors in 7. Will be a thriller.

I will have to disagree.  The Mirotic trade for the Bucks was sneaky good, and they didnt give up anything other than 2nd round picks. Both the Sixers and Raps depleted their bench’s in their acquisitions.

That's what I don't like about the Gasol trade.  Wright and Miles provided some very important and dependable rest minutes for the starters.  Plus, dropping Monroe (who was also very dependable) means Gasol and Ibaka better stay healthy, or they're screwed at center.  They still have to sign/buyout 3 more players to fill top up to the 14 player minimum.  Who are we gonna buyout??  Carm?  :lolpalm:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fighting to get a 1st round thumping
Post by: jingle.boy on February 10, 2019, 08:13:45 AM
Giannis sits, and the Bucks don't even look average.  Hope for their sake that's not an indication of anything (although, I hope it is!).  Celtics... that was an epic collapse.  It's amazing how terrible and how good teams can play from one half to the next - the Raps did it the other night vs the Hawks.  How does a team get more points in 1Q than they do in 2H?  It's just incredible to me - it sure isn't the strength of Orlando's defense.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fighting to get a 1st round thumping
Post by: T-ski on February 10, 2019, 11:37:07 AM
Giannis sits, and the Bucks don't even look average.  Hope for their sake that's not an indication of anything (although, I hope it is!).  Celtics... that was an epic collapse.  It's amazing how terrible and how good teams can play from one half to the next - the Raps did it the other night vs the Hawks.  How does a team get more points in 1Q than they do in 2H?  It's just incredible to me - it sure isn't the strength of Orlando's defense.

I like to refer to that Bucks game as a "schedule loss".    ;)

In all honesty though, that is the ONLY game this year the Bucks have looked totally noncompetitive.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fighting to get a 1st round thumping
Post by: jingle.boy on February 10, 2019, 06:41:06 PM
Fair enough.  Hope it's a trend.  :P
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers fighting to get a 1st round thumping
Post by: T-ski on February 12, 2019, 07:36:33 AM
If this trend continues, there is no stopping Giannis.

3-point shooting this season by month.....

October       6.3%
November 14.3%
December  22.2%
January      30.6%
February     42.9%
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: Samsara on February 14, 2019, 01:48:24 PM
Big win by the Wolves last night. Huge games from Towns and Okogie. Kid's defense is coming along, as is his shot. I expect Okogie to be a Ron Artest-like guy. Not a star, but a 15 ppg guy who gets assigned to the opposing team's best defender. He played that role well last night against Harden.

Sadly, even though we're just two rotation players down (three, since Wiggins was sick last night), I just don't see the Wolves climbing out of the hole they are in. At 27-30 (which, for the record, is 23-21 AFTER the Butler trade, and we haven't had one of those guys, Covington for a ton of games, not three other rotation guys), and looking at the last 25 games, they are going to have to go around 16-9 to make it. Forty-three wins is probably what it is going to take.

After going over each upcoming game, I think the Wolves are going to probably go 12-13, maybe 13-12 (if they get the revenge game against Philly, which seems unlikely). Assuming 12-13, a 39-43 record isn't going to get it done.

Could be a lost season. Such a shame. The Butler shit really screwed things up, and then the injuries really hit hard. I still don't remember a playoff team being hit THIS hard. I mean, at one point we were missing six of our top 10 players for a two-month stretch. Even now, with Rose and Teague back, we're still without Covington, who is our best defender, and Tyus Jones, who is a huge glue guy and rotation piece.

The Wolves continue to fight though, and I admire them for it. Just fingers-crossed they can find some way to get hot, and play like I know they can play for the last 25 games. Not likely, again, given all the injuries and drama taking their toll, but I'm hoping. Playoff hopes not dead yet. Still on life support, but there's a chance...
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: jingle.boy on February 14, 2019, 02:10:48 PM
Nice 6-game winstreak for the Raps heading in to the break.  This while finding out Fred VF will be out for 5 weeks, and 2 new players (Gaso and Linsanity!!), along with some other G-league callups.  Siakim with a couple of career highs in that span, dropping 44 last night - 30 in the 2nd half.  The Raptors have had 15 different starting lineups this year.  I don't know where to find the stats on how that compares, but I know I heard at one point (when they were at 12) they were leading the league in that stat.

23 games to go, and only 1 back of the Bucks (though, they have 2 games in hand).  I'm almost as excited for them as I am for the Leafs.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: Samsara on February 14, 2019, 02:38:13 PM
The East 1-6 is the top story for me coming down the stretch. The Cs, Raps, 76ers, Bucks, along with the Nets, all are the most intriguing for me. I think the Pacers will slide. Matthews is good, but he's not Oladipo, and even if Sabonis and Turner make a leap, I just don't see them doing a lot more.

The second best story is the 8 seed in the West. The Wolves, Lakers and Kings are all vying for that spot, and they all have tough schedules. The Spurs meanwhile, along with the Jazz, have easier schedules. The Clippers will drop like a rock. But I don't see the Wolves making it. They may make a charge, but they are too far behind. Unless they get really hot, I find it unlikely. The Kings, however, I think they have the best shot for the 8 seed. I don't have a lot of faith in Lebron's Lakers. After the whole AD mess, I don't think his teammates want to play with him. And I wouldn't blame them.

Going to be some great drama coming down the stretch. Will be fun. I still think Philly, if that chemistry is right, will come out of the East. But I see them and BOston having a huge battle. The Raps and Bucks are right there too, but I think Philly and Boston are deeper. We'll see.

It's going to be a blast after the All Star break if you're an NBA junkie.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: jingle.boy on February 14, 2019, 04:38:15 PM
I'm curious to see how the Raps bench will hold up with the loss of 4 players that have been there all season, along with Fred VF being out until almost playoff time... not to mention Lowry's wonky back, and the team 'pacing' Leonard.  I haven't checked their schedule, but all those factors could conceivably see them drop a spot or two.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: T-ski on February 14, 2019, 05:45:58 PM
All I know is the Bucks have the best record, haven’t lost back-to-back games yet, and haven’t lost to any team twice all season.  I’m enjoying every minute of it.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: jammindude on February 14, 2019, 11:32:00 PM
Blazers are driving me crazy. Lose to the Thunder...then stomp the Warriors.

I really believe we have a very strong team with the potential to beat anyone. Unfortunately, it just depends on which team shows up.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: bosk1 on February 15, 2019, 07:49:29 AM
I really believe we have a very strong team ...

Oh, congratulations.  I didn't realize they offered you a contract.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: Samsara on February 15, 2019, 09:17:33 AM
I really believe we have a very strong team ...

Oh, congratulations.  I didn't realize they offered you a contract.

It's about the same length and compensation the Warriors give you for defending Draymond Green.  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: Samsara on February 15, 2019, 09:19:16 AM
All I know is the Bucks have the best record, haven’t lost back-to-back games yet, and haven’t lost to any team twice all season.  I’m enjoying every minute of it.

Been a hell of a run. I have loved Khris Middleton his entire career. Guy reminds me for some reason as a bigger version of Michael Redd. Loved that guy's game.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: bosk1 on February 15, 2019, 09:30:14 AM
I really believe we have a very strong team ...

Oh, congratulations.  I didn't realize they offered you a contract.

It's about the same length and compensation the Warriors give you for defending Draymond Green.  :lol

If it somehow makes you feel better to think that my role is to "defend" any NBA players, then I guess by all means continue living in that fantasy.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: King Postwhore on February 15, 2019, 09:34:44 AM
Lucky for me I can't defend the Celtics play this season.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: Samsara on February 15, 2019, 10:28:49 AM
I really believe we have a very strong team ...

Oh, congratulations.  I didn't realize they offered you a contract.

It's about the same length and compensation the Warriors give you for defending Draymond Green.  :lol

If it somehow makes you feel better to think that my role is to "defend" any NBA players, then I guess by all means continue living in that fantasy.

Warriors fans. So touchy when it comes to their team. Ease up, bosk. It's Friday.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: bosk1 on February 15, 2019, 10:31:36 AM
I'm not touchy about the Warriors.  I'm touchy about people making trolling comments and attributing things to me that aren't true.  That's not particularly cool on any day of the week.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: Nekov on February 15, 2019, 10:42:11 AM
Come on Bosk, he was just trying to be funny. Let's all be friends, even if we disagree on Draymond  :smiley:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: Samsara on February 15, 2019, 10:43:07 AM
I'm not touchy about the Warriors.  I'm touchy about people making trolling comments and attributing things to me that aren't true.  That's not particularly cool on any day of the week.

First of all, it wasn't a trolling comment. You are a fan of the Warriors. You defend the Warriors play, and specifically Draymond Green and what he does, to anyone who will listen The entirety of this thread shows that. That's not trolling. It's called pointing out that you have done that previously.

Are you really that uptight about your fandom of the Warriors that you can't take a bit of ribbing? Apparently so. Your forum though, so I'll move on from further joking at your expense. Have a nice weekend.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: jingle.boy on February 15, 2019, 10:51:46 AM
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Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: Lonk on February 15, 2019, 10:59:53 AM
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Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: T-ski on February 15, 2019, 02:00:51 PM
All I know is the Bucks have the best record, haven’t lost back-to-back games yet, and haven’t lost to any team twice all season.  I’m enjoying every minute of it.

Been a hell of a run. I have loved Khris Middleton his entire career. Guy reminds me for some reason as a bigger version of Michael Redd. Loved that guy's game.

the Bucks are in a no-win situation with Middleton.  Signing him to a large contract could kill roster flexibility, letting him go could kill team chemistry.  The Bucks realistically only have one starter, Giannis, under contract for next season, all other starters are free agents or restricted free agents.  They shed enough salary with trades to make it possible to sign everyone again, but this could be a one and done type run for this specific cast of players.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: jingle.boy on February 15, 2019, 02:02:31 PM
I'm hoping the operative word there is "done".  :biggrin:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: T-ski on February 15, 2019, 02:04:24 PM
I'm hoping the operative word there is "done".  :biggrin:

 :tdwn
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: Samsara on February 16, 2019, 08:40:00 AM
Hahahahaha.

Personally, I'm hoping the Wolves sign Middleton to play SF, and then shift Wiggins to his more natural PG position. Middleton would be the second option on offense, and Wiggins then becomes expendable, or just a third banana.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: Lonk on February 16, 2019, 08:29:30 PM
Well, that was not entertaining.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: TAC on February 16, 2019, 08:34:54 PM
That dunk over Shaq was awesome. Loved the airplane one too.



And Tatum hitting from half court! :lol :metal
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: Lonk on February 16, 2019, 09:10:34 PM
The Shaq and J. Cole were cool for sure but everything else wasn’t. The airplane dunk was weak.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Celtics fans losing their minds
Post by: Nekov on February 18, 2019, 08:53:38 AM
The Shaq and J. Cole were cool for sure but everything else wasn’t. The airplane dunk was week.

Yep. The dunk contest has been having some serious high and low over the last few years. My guess is that the Gordon vs Lavine contest is still fresh in peoples memories and no one wants to be compared to that.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: Samsara on February 19, 2019, 08:42:30 AM
The Giannis dunk (you know the one) was incredible, but for me you know which one I loved -- that Karl-Anthony screaming through the lane monster slam. That's my guy right there. But seriously, I'm just glad no one got hurt in the game. LOL.

p.s. dunk contest needs an overhaul. Every time a player misses a dunk, they should automatically deduct 5 points from every judge's score for that dunk. I think all the All Star events need an overhaul, to be honest. I didn't really find them all that exciting.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: Lonk on February 21, 2019, 10:35:19 AM
As the "official" second half of the season is about to begin, here are some of my predictions.

Lakers make the playoff as 7-8 seed. We all know LeBron's best years are behind him in terms of basketball, but we also know he is still one of the best in the league. I expect him and the Lakers to play better.

Harden wins MVP. As much as I dislike his game, he is probably winning the MVP. Unless Giannis has an incredible final stretch that outshines Harden.

The Pacers drop from the top 4 in the east and Philly makes it in. The race for the top 4 spots in the east will be interesting. I expect Toronto to finish at the 1 seed, Mil 2nd, Boston 3rd and Philly 4th.

Miami Heat make the playoff as the 8th seed.

Finals Match-up: GSW Vs. Raptor.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: Samsara on February 21, 2019, 10:48:10 AM
I'll play:

Agreed on the Lakers. I see them making the playoffs as the 8 seed, as I don't expect the Clippers to hold on.

That said, I think both the Kings and Timberwolves will both push the Lakers HARD, and I wouldn't be surprised if either of those two teams, particularly my Wolves, edges them out. I think its unlikely, based on the difficulty of the Kings and Wolves' schedules, however. My guess is Lakers - 8, Wolves - 9, Kings - 10.

Back East, I think its going to be:

1. Milwaukee
2. Toronto
3. Boston
4. Philadelphia
5. Indiana
6. Brooklyn
7. Charlotte
8. Detroit

>>>Predictions - Brooklyn takes Boston to 6 or 7. There is something about the Nets that I think is just gritty and determined, and if healthy, they are going to push the Cs hard.

Ultimately, again, if healthy, I see Philly or Milwaukee coming out of the East.

NBA Finals - Warriors vs. Sixers -- and it'll go seven.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: TAC on February 21, 2019, 11:19:34 AM
Sam, Philly is NOT coming out of the east.  That’s a fraud team.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: Samsara on February 21, 2019, 02:16:37 PM
Sam, Philly is NOT coming out of the east.  That’s a fraud team.

If they are healthy and show the same kind of chemistry they did before the All Star break, they absolutely are. Boston has problems. They have a leader and closer that no one on the team likes or trusts. Technically, I think Boston SHOULD come out of the East. But if the team doesn't play like a team, that won't happen. Philly played more like a team those last handful of games with Tobias Harris than the C's have played all year.

I'm not saying Boston can't meld with 25-ish games left. Of course they could. And they might. But right now, at this very moment, I don't see it. If they go into Milwaukee tonight and take it to the Bucks, well then, that's saying something. But if they roll over, that says a lot too.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: jingle.boy on February 21, 2019, 02:23:09 PM
Philly and Boston have the capability to get thru the east, but there are too many cultural/intangible issues that will prevent them from playing to the best of their ability.

East final is gonna be Raps/Bucks, and it ought to go 7.  I'm not sure the Raptors depth chart is gonna get them all the way thru - after giving up 3 players (and then essentially dumping 2 more) to get Gasol, they have a lot of 'gel-ing' to do in the last 20 games.  Losing Fred Van Fleet to injury sure didn't help.  Lowry (and his wonky back) is gonna be logging a lot of minutes.  Hopefully he can hold up.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: TAC on February 21, 2019, 02:30:57 PM
Sam, Philly is NOT coming out of the east.  That’s a fraud team.

If they are healthy and show the same kind of chemistry they did before the All Star break, they absolutely are. Boston has problems. They have a leader and closer that no one on the team likes or trusts. Technically, I think Boston SHOULD come out of the East. But if the team doesn't play like a team, that won't happen. Philly played more like a team those last handful of games with Tobias Harris than the C's have played all year.

I'm not saying Boston can't meld with 25-ish games left. Of course they could. And they might. But right now, at this very moment, I don't see it. If they go into Milwaukee tonight and take it to the Bucks, well then, that's saying something. But if they roll over, that says a lot too.

My comment about Philly doesn't have anything to do with Boston because for once, J Boy is right on this:

East final is gonna be Raps/Bucks,



Don't take the cheese on Philly, Sam. They're frauds.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: Samsara on February 22, 2019, 08:57:28 AM
Sam, Philly is NOT coming out of the east.  That’s a fraud team.

If they are healthy and show the same kind of chemistry they did before the All Star break, they absolutely are. Boston has problems. They have a leader and closer that no one on the team likes or trusts. Technically, I think Boston SHOULD come out of the East. But if the team doesn't play like a team, that won't happen. Philly played more like a team those last handful of games with Tobias Harris than the C's have played all year.

I'm not saying Boston can't meld with 25-ish games left. Of course they could. And they might. But right now, at this very moment, I don't see it. If they go into Milwaukee tonight and take it to the Bucks, well then, that's saying something. But if they roll over, that says a lot too.

My comment about Philly doesn't have anything to do with Boston because for once, J Boy is right on this:

East final is gonna be Raps/Bucks,



Don't take the cheese on Philly, Sam. They're frauds.

I hate Jimmy Butler with a passion after the shit he pulled, so no tears from me if they don't make it. I just like what I see with that starting five and the depth they got at the deadline.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: bosk1 on February 22, 2019, 02:45:12 PM
It's a bit early to tell, but what I see of that lineup looks legit.  They could be a serious threat. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: dparrott on February 25, 2019, 10:32:18 PM
The Suns snap their 17 GAME LOSING STREAK by beating the Heat in Miami.  Wow.   :facepalm: :loser: :tdwn
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: Samsara on February 26, 2019, 08:51:38 AM
Suns could do the Wolves a favor and beat up on all the lower teams battling for the playoffs. It is going to be a dogfight.

42 is the magic number for that 8 seed, I think. Which means after last night's huge win against the Kings (and us being down TWO starters), we stand at 29-31 (after a 4-9 start to the season and being without three of our starters for most of the year). We're going to have to go 13-10 the rest of the way. Looking at the schedule, I think the Wolves realistically are looking at 10-13. So we need to pick off a few games we're not supposed to win. The last four or five games of the Wolves' schedule are BRUTAL though. So we'll see. If the team finally is at full strength (for the first time since December) next week (if we get Teague and Rob Covington back), and they are ready to be themselves, we could pull it off. Going to be tough though.

But the Wolves, Kings, and Lakers are all going to fight for that last spot.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: T-ski on February 26, 2019, 08:04:13 PM
I don’t see Boston as much of a threat at the moment. They look flummoxed.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: King Postwhore on February 27, 2019, 06:26:57 AM
I don’t see Boston as much of a threat at the moment. They look flummoxed.

I've never seen a team so selfish.  So much talent yet so much ego's getting in the way.  So self centered.  All of them.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: KevShmev on February 27, 2019, 07:13:17 AM
Kyrie Irving is the cancer on that team.  As good as player as he is, he is an ISO player, and doesn't fit well with a bunch of players who did so well last year as a team without a star. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: King Postwhore on February 27, 2019, 08:02:08 AM
Yup.  It's also the younger players as well how think they should be getting more minutes and are not.  It's the whole damn team that are putting themselves first over team play.  This team should be rolling through the East.

I've not been watching because they are so unlikable.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: Samsara on February 27, 2019, 09:30:39 AM
So...about those Celtics.  :lol

Big back-to-back for the Pups in Atlanta, and then Indiana. Obviously, they can't lose to the Hawks, and they really need the game in Indy. On my schedule, I have those two games as a split, but they really could use both. Fingers crossed. Covington is on a rehab assignment to the G league for a couple games, so hopefully he will be back next week. We need the whole team healthy to make a push.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: TAC on February 27, 2019, 01:15:06 PM
So...about those Celtics.  :lol


 :facepalm:
So bad. I don't even know where to begin...

Oh, I know. Kyrie GTFO! That's where.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: jingle.boy on February 27, 2019, 01:25:00 PM
Seriously... how does any team give up an 18-0 run, and not get a bucket for over 5 minutes?  That's just embarrassing.  I love being a homer, but nobody's defense is *that* good.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: Samsara on February 27, 2019, 01:25:43 PM
So...about those Celtics.  :lol


 :facepalm:
So bad. I don't even know where to begin...

Oh, I know. Kyrie GTFO! That's where.

Talking to another buddy of mine this morning who is a huge C's fan. I told him Ainge and the C's have a decision to make. you either stay young, and let Kyrie walk, or you just go full-on, and trade Tatum, Brown, etc., for vets and try and sign Durant and trade for AD. Imagine that? AD, Durant, Kyrie?

Personally, I think that's hard NOT to do, if you can do it. But I'd rather see them stay young. Let Kyrie walk. Focus on Tatum and Brown. Maybe kick the tires on IT and see if he'd be willing to come back in a 6th man role to mentor the youngins. Ditch Morris (not sure of his contract), and keep Horford as your vet. Those guys had WAY more chemistry without Irving and Hayward last year. And I don't think Hayward is the problem. It's Kyrie, and Morris trying to play hero ball. Those two need to go.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: King Postwhore on February 27, 2019, 01:44:22 PM
Without a superstar like Kyrie you don't win championships.  Plus you need multiple superstars to win.  That being said, he couldn't lead girl scouts to girl scout cookies.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: Lonk on February 27, 2019, 01:45:41 PM
The knicks with an incredible 2-game winning streak...

The Celtics better figure something out and soon. Maybe trade Kyrie to the Lakers and rejoin him with LeBron  :rollin
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: Samsara on February 27, 2019, 02:02:10 PM
The knicks with an incredible 2-game winning streak...

The Celtics better figure something out and soon. Maybe trade Kyrie to the Lakers and rejoin him with LeBron  :rollin

I wouldn't bet against this being the Lakers starting five next year:

Anthony Davis
Lebron James
*insert 3&D wing*
Klay Thompson
Kyrie Irving

Seriously. Reading the tea leaves, I totally see (if the Lakers implode, which they are) Kyrie ditching Boston and hitching his wagon to Lebron again, Klay leaving the Warriors, and then that trade for AD. Not saying it WILL happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did. That ensures a future for the Lakers after Lebron is done (even after losing a ton of their young pieces and draft picks, because Thompson and Davis are still relatively young), and calls to mind the Showtime Lakers...except Lebron is in the place of Kareem.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: TAC on February 27, 2019, 02:16:29 PM
Honestly, I have no issue if Kyrie wants to go to NY and play wherever he wants. But if he goes and plays with LeBron, that just proves he's a douche pussy. I mean, the evidence is already strong.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: Samsara on February 27, 2019, 02:49:35 PM
Honestly, I have no issue if Kyrie wants to go to NY and play wherever he wants. But if he goes and plays with LeBron, that just proves he's a douche pussy. I mean, the evidence is already strong.

That phone call sealed the deal. He called to apologize and get advice my ass. He called saying he's bailing on the Celtics and to keep a seat warm. I have no respect for Lebron or Kyrie. Both are in similar situations. Big time players in the league with young rosters, and both guys have alienated all those young players. They deserve each other. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: Lonk on February 27, 2019, 08:27:05 PM
Luckiest shot of his career? D wade with back-to-back 3s to win the game

And the Celtics lose again
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: Samsara on February 28, 2019, 08:16:29 AM
Timberwolves...


*sigh*
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: dparrott on February 28, 2019, 07:12:02 PM
Luckiest shot of his career? D wade with back-to-back 3s to win the game

I wrote that game off before it started.  This team loses to the Suns but beats the W?  Crazy.

Still love those Heat Vice uniforms to death.  Best branding ever IMO.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: Samsara on March 01, 2019, 07:43:45 AM
FML

Thank God baseball season is here.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: T-ski on March 02, 2019, 07:18:09 AM
Bucks win again, first to clinch a playoff birth.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers still a mess
Post by: Samsara on March 05, 2019, 01:29:55 PM
Bucks win again, first to clinch a playoff birth.

I think if the Bucks and Sixers end up in the ECF, it'll be one for the ages.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers & Celtics disappointing fans everywhere
Post by: Samsara on March 06, 2019, 12:45:40 PM
C's looked good last night...for once. They would have beat the Ws even if they did have Klay, I think.

Big game by KAT, Wolves get a badly-needed win against OKC. They have to have the win at Detroit tonight. Unlikely on a back-to-back, but they have to have it. We'll see.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers & Celtics disappointing fans everywhere
Post by: jingle.boy on March 11, 2019, 08:13:40 PM
Ouch.  I guess that's why they play the games. 

Any given Monday.   :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers & Celtics disappointing fans everywhere
Post by: KevShmev on March 12, 2019, 09:53:45 AM
Regarding Westbrook and what happened with him last night, here is where I stand:

-I definitely believe that the fan made inappropriate comments towards him. You don't delete your entire twitter account right after unless you have something to hide.
-Westbook cannot react the way he did. Telling the guy you are going to f up and his wife is a really bad look for an NBA star.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers & Celtics disappointing fans everywhere
Post by: Samsara on March 12, 2019, 11:16:43 AM
Regarding Westbrook and what happened with him last night, here is where I stand:

-I definitely believe that the fan made inappropriate comments towards him. You don't delete your entire twitter account right after unless you have something to hide.
-Westbook cannot react the way he did. Telling the guy you are going to f up and his wife is a really bad look for an NBA star.

Re: point 1 - I wouldn't assume that. Deleting the  Twitter account could be because the guy was getting absolutely bombed and trolled because he was in the spotlight, and Westbrook has a lot of defenders. I haven't read or watched what was said, and it wouldn't surprise me if the fan said something to Westbrook, but deleting Twitter isn't an admission of guilt.

Re: point 2 - Agreed completely. Westbrook has a history of speaking back to fans. He does it every game. Both positive and negative. I don't blame him for being angry if someone said something inappropriate. But he's a professional, and he needs to act like it. If he has a problem, he is supposed to alert security. If he does that, the fan gets tossed. Very simple. Instead, he loses his cool.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers & Celtics disappointing fans everywhere
Post by: KevShmev on March 12, 2019, 01:00:25 PM
I should have expanded on point 1 - all reports are that the fan had a number of  tweets that could be construed as, to put it nicely, racially insensitive, and given what Westbrook accused him of saying last night, that looks damning to the fan and his credibility.

This stuff with Westbrook is going to get worse, since any fan looking to antagonize now knows that Westbrook is very reactionary and it will not take much to rile him up again.  And how long will it be before another fan goes too far, Westbrook responds in a worse fashion, and a brawl erupts?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers & Celtics disappointing fans everywhere
Post by: Samsara on March 12, 2019, 03:43:58 PM
I should have expanded on point 1 - all reports are that the fan had a number of  tweets that could be construed as, to put it nicely, racially insensitive, and given what Westbrook accused him of saying last night, that looks damning to the fan and his credibility.

Yep, I heard that, yeah. And apparently Westbrook's teammates confirmed his side of the story, and the Jazz banned the fan from the arena for life.

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This stuff with Westbrook is going to get worse, since any fan looking to antagonize now knows that Westbrook is very reactionary and it will not take much to rile him up again.  And how long will it be before another fan goes too far, Westbrook responds in a worse fashion, and a brawl erupts?

I'm hoping Westbrook gets smarter. The league's players better remember the Pacers brawl in the stands.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: TAC on March 26, 2019, 07:18:52 PM
Celtics are now 11-2 without Kyrie.

33-29 with him...
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Samsara on March 27, 2019, 12:47:21 PM
Celtics are now 11-2 without Kyrie.

33-29 with him...

THey are in a rough spot. They win without him. However, as was pointed out by Scalabrine this morning on NBA radio, they can't win on the road in the playoffs without him (last year). Personally, I've seen probably 10 Celtics games this year, probably half with Kyrie and half without him. THey are better without him. And not just the record. The ball movement is much better, and they play harder. Kyrie is so ball dominant, and that just doesn't work well with this particular group. They should let him walk.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: TAC on March 27, 2019, 12:51:15 PM
Scal is a homer, and no way is he going diss Kyrie. The organization and broadcast partners, which Scal is part of, are going out of their way to kiss Kyrie’s ass, and it is sickening.

If Ainge wants to keep Kyrie, hoes going to have to let Brad Stevens go.

I would also like add that Scal is a fantastic color guy.


Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Samsara on March 27, 2019, 01:27:23 PM
Scal is a homer, and no way is he going diss Kyrie. The organization and broadcast partners, which Scal is part of, are going out of their way to kiss Kyrie’s ass, and it is sickening.

If Ainge wants to keep Kyrie, hoes going to have to let Brad Stevens go.

I would also like add that Scal is a fantastic color guy.

No doubt Scal is toeing the party line. I get it. But I think keeping Kyrie is a mistake. Tatum is going to be better than Kyrie when it is all said and done. Ainge should be focused on building around Tatum, not appeasing a head case like Kyrie Irving. And Stevens is experiencing some growing problems as a coach. Its a tough spot for him right now. I think if they clean out Kyrie and get a better team around Tatum, Stevens can be that coach in Boston for another decade.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: TAC on March 27, 2019, 01:29:29 PM
Sam, I wish I had the time and energy to type out everything I'd want to say.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: King Postwhore on March 27, 2019, 01:53:56 PM
Celtics are now 11-2 without Kyrie.

33-29 with him...

THey are in a rough spot. They win without him. However, as was pointed out by Scalabrine this morning on NBA radio, they can't win on the road in the playoffs without him (last year). Personally, I've seen probably 10 Celtics games this year, probably half with Kyrie and half without him. THey are better without him. And not just the record. The ball movement is much better, and they play harder. Kyrie is so ball dominant, and that just doesn't work well with this particular group. They should let him walk.

I'll add that he's taking games off against the lower tier teams for the most part so that adds to why they are 11-2 without him.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: TAC on March 27, 2019, 01:58:14 PM
OK, Scal.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: King Postwhore on March 27, 2019, 01:59:56 PM
OK, Scal.

 :lol


Honestly Kyrie has made my blood boil.  All that drama that he hated with LeBron is exactly what he is doing now.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: T-ski on March 27, 2019, 02:41:54 PM
you guys are all doing fine.

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Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: bosk1 on April 08, 2019, 10:52:07 AM
Wit the regular season almost over, I'm pretty excited for the playoffs.  The east is competitive and exciting for the first time in awhile, which is good.  No LeBron, which is good.  The Warriors locked up the #1 in the west, which is good.  Overall...this is good.  :)

For the remainder of the regular season, it looks like there is little drama left in the east.  Yeah, the bottom spots are still up for grabs a bit, both in terms of seeding and for who will make it and who will not.  But the top half is locked up.

In the west, despite there being ONLY battles for seeding left to decide, it's still pretty dramatic for the last two days of games tomorrow and Wednesday.  The Warriors will probably rest ALL of their starters in one or both of the back-to-back games.  There is zero point in playing them and risking a pointless freak injury.  Best to have them rested and ready to go.

But the #2/#3 seeding is interesting.  Denver needs to win both games to hang onto the #2 and home court against Houston in the second round, which they surely do not want to give up (assuming the Rockets beat OKC tomorrow).  Do they play hard for the #2 or rest their guys?  I think that is THE story in the west right now.  But of course, the 6, 7, and 8 are up in the air in terms of seeding as well.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: T-ski on April 08, 2019, 11:30:18 AM
I'm excited, the Bucks haven't won a playoff series in 18 years. 

Go Bucks!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: bosk1 on April 08, 2019, 11:36:28 AM
That's cool.  I would imagine they should make it at least to the East Finals.  I don't imagine anyone but the 76ers or Raptors being able to challenge them (I think the Celtics' injuries take them out of the race).
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Samsara on April 08, 2019, 01:19:26 PM
Will be rooting for the NETS in this year's playoffs. It may be a short playoffs for me.  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: TAC on April 08, 2019, 01:34:56 PM
That's cool.  I would imagine they should make it at least to the East Finals.  I don't imagine anyone but the 76ers or Raptors being able to challenge them (I think the Celtics' injuries take them out of the race).

I'll say it again...The Sixers are total Frauds. They are not getting out of the second round.


The Celtics are actually pretty healthy. Marcus Smart left last night's game with a bruised oblique. Tatum left as well after a shin contusion. he'll be fine though.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Samsara on April 08, 2019, 02:14:37 PM
That's cool.  I would imagine they should make it at least to the East Finals.  I don't imagine anyone but the 76ers or Raptors being able to challenge them (I think the Celtics' injuries take them out of the race).

I'll say it again...The Sixers are total Frauds. They are not getting out of the second round.


I hope so. #FuckJimmyButler

I'm a little biased though. General Soreness can go F himself.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Lonk on April 08, 2019, 08:17:13 PM
I was wrong about most of my predictions but pretty hyped for the playoffs. Might attend a Brooklyn Home game if the time is right.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Azyiu on April 08, 2019, 08:46:58 PM
The Magic is back to the playoffs for the first time in 7 years. They quietly won 9 of their last 10 games no less. One thing that stood out from last night's game at Boston is, the Magic went 22 for 22 at the FT line, wow!!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: jammindude on April 08, 2019, 08:55:39 PM
Looks like the Blazers 1st round will be against the Jazz.  And barring a complete catastrophe, we should get home court, so I still think we can win that pretty easy.   I just hope we can win it in 5 and get a bit of a rest.   I still think we will exit sometime in the 2nd round.  The Blazers are one of those teams that *could* have made a serious threat to anyone in the post season *IF* we had every single piece of the puzzle ready and healthy.    But we needed ALL the pieces, and with Nurkic gone we no longer have that.    If we get some rest before the 2nd round, we might make someone work for it, but that's pretty much it.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Samsara on April 09, 2019, 01:39:57 PM
Don't sleep on the Jazz. No offense intended, but I expect them to handle the Blazers. Quinn Snyder's teams are always sneaky good, and solid when it comes to fundamentals. I like the Blazers, but the Nurkic injury was costly. Kanter isn't going to provide the same toughness, IMO. He's good, but he's not Nurkic. And while I love C.J. and Dame, they both can be streaky. The Jazz are really tough defensively, and they've put together a balanced team. That's going to be a hell of a series. I honestly think that'll be one of the best in the first round, and it'll go 7.

With my Wolves out of it, I turn to the hometown - go NETS. I love Caris Levert (one of my favorite players in the league), so I am pulling for Brooklyn. Hoping if they stay the 6th seed, they can take the Sixers 7. Not sure that happens if the Sixers are healthy, but we'll see.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Lonk on April 09, 2019, 08:29:56 PM
Drama just follows LeBron no matter where he goes. Wonder what Magic stepping down means for next year.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Azyiu on April 09, 2019, 08:35:21 PM
As a Lakers fan, I am really angry at Magic's handling of this whole thing! He gets us halfway to nowhere, and he is just going to quit with such a lame excuse?!  :censored

I think the next best things for the Lakers to do would be keeping Walton, and explore the possibility of trading LeBron away.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: jingle.boy on April 10, 2019, 05:01:52 AM
And to hold the PC without even telling your boss!?!?!  That's really unprofessional.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: TAC on April 11, 2019, 04:29:51 AM
Marcus Smart out 4-6 weeks with torn oblique. Not good.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: bosk1 on April 11, 2019, 07:50:55 AM
Wow, so the Rockets not only failed spectacularly at getting the #2 seed, but they fell all the way to #4.  :rollin  Couldn't have happened to a more deserving batch of clowns.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Lonk on April 11, 2019, 09:02:56 AM
Wow, so the Rockets not only failed spectacularly at getting the #2 seed, but they fell all the way to #4.  :rollin  Couldn't have happened to a more deserving batch of clowns.

I was paying attention to that yesterday. To be fair, they didn't even played yesterday, and both Portland and Denver won yesterday (Don't know if Houston won the tie breaker with Denver).

But this playoff should be fun. I'm going to game 3 of Phil Vs. BKN.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Samsara on April 11, 2019, 09:06:11 AM
Sad my team's season is over, but with all their injuries, its for the best. The Wolves went 36-46. And if you count up the games missed by the core seven rotation players due to injury, you can see why. Looking forward to them getting healthy, and gaining some momentum and direction in the offseason.

Until  then though -- GO NETS!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: bosk1 on April 11, 2019, 09:06:57 AM
Wow, so the Rockets not only failed spectacularly at getting the #2 seed, but they fell all the way to #4.  :rollin  Couldn't have happened to a more deserving batch of clowns.

I was paying attention to that yesterday. To be fair, they didn't even played yesterday, and both Portland and Denver won yesterday (Don't know if Houston won the tie breaker with Denver).

But this playoff should be fun. I'm going to game 3 of Phil Vs. BKN.

Yeah, Houston had the tiebreaker over Denver, so all Houston had to do was win on Tuesday.  But they choked it away by losing their last game.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: T-ski on April 11, 2019, 09:41:14 AM
Wow, so the Rockets not only failed spectacularly at getting the #2 seed, but they fell all the way to #4.  :rollin  Couldn't have happened to a more deserving batch of clowns.

and people want to give Harden the MVP over Giannis.  :\
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: bosk1 on April 11, 2019, 10:23:45 AM
Wow, so the Rockets not only failed spectacularly at getting the #2 seed, but they fell all the way to #4.  :rollin  Couldn't have happened to a more deserving batch of clowns.

and people want to give Harden the MVP over Giannis.  :\

Well, I still think there's a strong argument to be made for Harden.  The Rockets wouldn't even be seeded this high (or make the playoffs at all) without him.  And he consistently has these crazy, off the charts performances. 

So...predictions, anyone?  This is hard for me.  I haven't followed the east much.  And there are a few west matchups that I can't quite figure out.

In the west, I think the Warriors easily beat the Clippers, and the Rockets handle the Jazz.  The other matchups are harder to call.  Do the favorite Nuggets beat the Spurs?  I think so.  But I'm not sure I'd bet on it.  What about Blazers/Thunder?  I think I'm going with the Thunder on that one, but could easily see it going the other way.  I guess if I have to, I'm calling Thunder.  But then same issue in round 2:  If the Nuggets make it, they are favored and should win, but the Thunder could easily steal that series too.  Well...I guess I have to make a decision, so...

Round 1:
Warriors vs. Clippers
Nuggets vs. Spurs
Trail Blazers vs. Thunder
Rockets vs. Jazz

Round 2:
Warriors vs. Rockets
Nuggets vs. Thunder

Round 3: 
Warriors vs. Thunder


East:

Round 1:
Bucks vs. Pistons
Raptors vs. Magic
76ers vs. Nets
Celtics vs. Pacers

Round 2:
Bucks vs. Pacers
Raptors vs. 76ers

Round 3:
Bucks vs. Raptors

Warriors over Raptors for the championship 3-peat.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Lonk on April 11, 2019, 10:56:04 AM
I'm not going to predict anything because I have the same thoughts as Bosk, except that I think the Rockets go down to Utah.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: bosk1 on April 11, 2019, 11:02:42 AM
I would love to see the Rockets exit in the first round, but I don't see that as the most reasonable thing to predict.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Samsara on April 11, 2019, 12:20:23 PM
I would love to see the Rockets exit in the first round, but I don't see that as the most reasonable thing to predict.

It is unlikely, but given how well coached the Jazz are, and how good of a defensive team they can be, it would not surprise me if they did beat the Rockets in 7. The Rockets are also an older team, and Harden has had to play a TON this year because of injuries. Again, wouldn't be a shock to me if the Jazz took them out. Unlikely, but wouldn't be shocking.

p.s. The Kings are the Cleveland Browns of the NBA. What morons dumping Dave Joerger.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Azyiu on April 11, 2019, 07:10:14 PM
Yeah, was going to comment on Divac's plan to fire Dave Joerger... what dumb move... or yet another dumb move by him... didn't he know they were projected for only 25.5 wins?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Nekov on April 12, 2019, 05:46:08 AM
Yeah, was going to comment on Divac's plan to fire Dave Joerger... what dumb move... or yet another dumb move by him... didn't he know they were projected for only 25.5 wins?

You should be happy that a good coach is available to replace Walton....
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Azyiu on April 12, 2019, 06:18:30 PM
With Joerger available, yet the Lakers are eyeing Lue and Monty Williams?! Geez, they might as well name Mark Madsen or Miles Simon to be the new HC... the free fall continues...  :facepalm:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: jammindude on April 12, 2019, 09:47:41 PM
I can't understand why people keep underselling the Blazers.   But...I have to admit that it's easier to discount them with Nurkic out.   I honestly believe that if he had stayed healthy, they could have given the Warriors a scare.   They don't have any one thing that makes them stand out, but they are (were) balanced and deep.    But we needed to have every single piece of the puzzle to make it work, and now we're missing one.   

I still say the Blazers take the Thunder, and possibly even go past the the 2nd round against (most likely) The Rockets.   But then we would be swept by the Warriors in the Western final.   
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Lonk on April 13, 2019, 05:27:19 PM
I’m in philly today for the DT show and  didn’t realize Phi was playing today.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Azyiu on April 13, 2019, 07:37:54 PM
The Clippers actually played well enough in the first half (after Zubac got yanked), but the Warriors are just better... man, that Harrell guy is pretty good down in the post, but geez, the Clippers need to stop whinning...  :biggrin:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: T-ski on April 13, 2019, 10:42:17 PM
I’m in philly today for the DT show and  didn’t realize Phi was playing today.

neither did Philly.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: jammindude on April 14, 2019, 09:19:37 AM
Earlier I said the Blazers would most likely face the Rockets. I meant to say Nuggets, but now I’m not so sure. What’s up with all the top seeded teams crapping out yesterday?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Azyiu on April 14, 2019, 09:28:54 AM
Earlier I said the Blazers would most likely face the Rockets. I meant to say Nuggets, but now I�m not so sure. What�s up with all the top seeded teams crapping out yesterday?

The Nuggets just choked at the end, simple as that. That being said, I think they will bounce back nicely in Game 2. The same can be said about the Raptors, Leonard will carry them in the next game, but the rest of the series won't be easy; after all the season series tied at 2-2. The Magic ain't all that bad, though I expect the Raptors to beat them eventually. But man, Lowry's playoffs problems continues... if he continue to suck like that or be so inconsistent like he was in the past 2-3 playoffs? I think Leonard will definitely be gone this summer.

As for the Sixers, in my opinion, they have the most troubles among those 3 teams mentioned that lost yesterday. They simply do not know which Embiid will show up, or if his knee's problem is more serious than first thought. Still, there is no reasons for Redick, Simmons to struggle like that. The Sixers simply got out hustled in game 1, and D-Russell played like he is a superstar.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: jammindude on April 14, 2019, 03:40:43 PM
Westbrock for THREE.........

....airball.  :rollin
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Lonk on April 15, 2019, 07:44:45 AM
BRK and Orlando wins were surprising, all the other ones were expected.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: jingle.boy on April 15, 2019, 07:46:42 AM
The Magic played the Raps hard in all four regular season matchups.  Seems they have something figured out - but I have no doubt the Raps will take it in 5 or 6.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Azyiu on April 15, 2019, 07:48:18 AM
The Magic played the Raps hard in all four regular season matchups.  Seems they have something figured out - but I have no doubt the Raps will take it in 5 or 6.

...only if Lowry shows up  :hat
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Samsara on April 15, 2019, 12:22:32 PM
I’m in philly today for the DT show and  didn’t realize Phi was playing today.

neither did Philly.

So much so they were checking their phones for Amazon deliveries.  :lol

So happy that the Nets beat them. I know it is a long shot that they beat them in the series, but I am rooting for it big time.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: jingle.boy on April 15, 2019, 01:31:50 PM
The Magic played the Raps hard in all four regular season matchups.  Seems they have something figured out - but I have no doubt the Raps will take it in 5 or 6.

...only if Lowry shows up  :hat

He'll be better.  That need not be questioned.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: Azyiu on April 15, 2019, 07:38:23 PM
He'll be better.  That need not be questioned.

After 3 straight years of getting eliminated by LeBron, I thought so too... but I see no real improvement in his mental toughness over the past 3+ seasons, and based on his performances in Game 1? I highly doubt it... but I do hope I am wrong.  :hat
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. East fighting to be this year's patsy in the Finals
Post by: TAC on April 15, 2019, 07:50:25 PM
Lowry is a psycho.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. East fighting to be this year's patsy in the Finals
Post by: jingle.boy on April 15, 2019, 08:31:29 PM
Lowry is a psycho.

He can be an extraordinary whiner sometimes, but he ain't  psycho.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. East fighting to be this year's patsy in the Finals
Post by: Azyiu on April 15, 2019, 11:59:07 PM
Geez, I thought the Clippers @ Warriors game 2 was over with, when the Dubs were up by 31pts. What the hell were the Warriors doing? Based on how the Clippers been playing, I wouldn't be surprised if the series is tied 2-2 when it returns to Oakland for game 5.

Also, it is potentially a major blow to the Warriors, if the Cousins' injury is really serious. Early word is it is a "pretty serious" quad injury.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. East fighting to be this year's patsy in the Finals
Post by: Samsara on April 16, 2019, 08:09:08 AM
 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

LOVE it that the Warriors got beat. I mean, it won't mean a thing after today, because the Warriors are winning the title again. But man, for one day, to shove it in the smug face of Green, I absolutely love it.

re: Nets vs. Sixers -- someone needs to punch Joel Embid in the mouth. I used to like this dude, and he's just a dirty as F player, and needs to be chopped down a peg or two.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. East fighting to be this year's patsy in the Finals
Post by: KevShmev on April 16, 2019, 09:20:32 AM


Also, it is potentially a major blow to the Warriors, if the Cousins' injury is really serious. Early word is it is a "pretty serious" quad injury.

Eh, that is not a major blow. They (mostly) coasted to two championships without him in '17 and '18, and despite last night's hiccup, they will coast to another this year without him.  It's not even a minor blow.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors suffer biggest choke job in playoff history
Post by: Samsara on April 18, 2019, 09:51:02 AM
Tatum showing why he is the future of the Celtics. Frankly, I think as much as Irving is a great player, Danny Ainge shouldn't shed one tear if he bolts this summer. Tatum is the guy. He's proven it over two years.

My basketball excitement (aside from rooting for the Nets) is hoping my Timberwolves hire the right person for the President of Basketball Operations job. Man, this is a critical hire. They've screwed up so bad throughout their history, and they need to get this right, with Towns now approaching his prime years. Gotta give the team a chance to win.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors suffer biggest choke job in playoff history
Post by: jingle.boy on April 18, 2019, 10:44:46 AM
Kev, :hifive: to the thread title.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors suffer biggest choke job in playoff history
Post by: KevShmev on April 18, 2019, 06:11:11 PM
Kev, :hifive: to the thread title.

Well, it was the biggest blown lead in NBA playoff history, so it was fitting. The title will be ever-changing throughout the playoffs.  I will try to change it at least once a week.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors suffer biggest choke job in playoff history
Post by: Samsara on April 19, 2019, 08:16:03 AM
Did you guys see that ridiculous double tech on Durant and Green (the Clippers' Green) last night? Unreal. I am all for refs setting a tone early, but when two guys are bantering in a friendly, competitive manner with each other, you need to recognize that and just walk away. I have no love for the Warriors at all, but that's just ridiculous. I give NFL refs some leeway, because they aren't full time. But NBA refs get a huge salary and do their jobs for a living full time. You have to better than that. Reffing is a really tough gig, but you're supposed to be the best in the world. Start showing it. Wow.

Nets got beat, which I expected, unfortunately. They need game 4, otherwise they might as well just book the vacations now...

And meanwhile, I still wait for the Wolves to make a POBO hire...
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: T-ski on April 22, 2019, 08:45:16 PM
Are you ready Boston?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: jingle.boy on April 23, 2019, 07:34:11 AM
Shocked to see the Pacers got swept.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: Nekov on April 23, 2019, 08:05:21 AM
Shocked to see the Pacers got swept.

What surely isn't shocking for you is that Casey got swept :neverusethis:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: jingle.boy on April 23, 2019, 08:17:06 AM
Shocked to see the Pacers got swept.

What surely isn't shocking for you is that Casey got swept :neverusethis:

:icy:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: King Postwhore on April 23, 2019, 08:30:37 AM
Are you ready Boston?

Yes but I expect not to win.  This team has been dysfunctional all year.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: Samsara on April 23, 2019, 09:09:47 AM
Shocked to see the Pacers got swept.

I'm not. Solid team without their leader. They didn't have enough firepower. Matthews is no Oladipo. What I was really impressed with is that the Pacers fought to the end. HARD. They earned a boatload of respect. And when they re-tool a bit and get Oladipo back, they will be a force in the east.

Bucks vs. Celtics is going to be one for the ages. A seven-gamer for sure, probably with a couple of OT games at least.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: jingle.boy on April 23, 2019, 10:58:57 AM
You think?  As King said, Celtics have been hot and cold all season.  I can see the Bucks taking it in 5 or 6.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: Nekov on April 23, 2019, 11:05:41 AM
While I think the Bucks should take it, the fact the Celtics have Kyrie makes me doubt. If the games are close, he can take over those final minutes and deliver. I'm not sure if I can say the same for the Bucks. If they are down 3 with 4 seconds to go, who do they go to? They have several 3 point shooters but I don't know if they are clutch, and they can't count on Giannis in that situation.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: King Postwhore on April 23, 2019, 11:40:18 AM
Honestly the C's should wipe them out but their play this year was lukewarm at best and there was turmoil all year.  Kyrie did not handle the leadership role well at all and he even admitted that.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: Samsara on April 23, 2019, 01:21:36 PM
You think?  As King said, Celtics have been hot and cold all season.  I can see the Bucks taking it in 5 or 6.

As was mentioned below, the Kyrie factor is huge. The Celtics are good and deep. As are the Bucks. But I give the Celtics the edge, because while Giannis is clearly the best player in the series, Kyrie isn't that far behind, and I'd take the Celtics depth and ability over the rest of the Bucks. It's close, but I'd still take them, if I was betting. That said, however, I am rooting hardcore for the Bucks. Would be nice to see a different team advance this year, and I have no love for Boston.

On another series -- I'm actually pretty shocked the Jazz were on the verge of being swept last night. Mitchell bailed them out, but that team is gritty. I expected them to play the way they did last night all series.

Portland, to me, is another...not surprise, but I just thought OKC would put up more of a fight. That team just can't get out of its own way. I wonder if its time to bring in a new voice and system...if Westbrook allows it.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: T-ski on April 23, 2019, 01:56:00 PM
Honestly the C's should wipe them out but their play this year was lukewarm at best and there was turmoil all year.  Kyrie did not handle the leadership role well at all and he even admitted that.

this is a homer statement if I've ever read one.  Wipe them out?  The Bucks took them to game 7 last season, when clearly the Celtics were the better team.  The Bucks have improved quite a bit since last season, have possibly the best player in the league, a coach that isn't Jason Kidd, and a much improved bench.  even if the Celtics were in sync it would still go 7 games.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: King Postwhore on April 23, 2019, 02:08:12 PM
That was without Kyrie and Hayward.   2 all stars.  They should but wont because of the dysfunction.  That's a top 5 player in the league and an all star.   You think that's a leap?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: T-ski on April 23, 2019, 02:09:30 PM
That was without Kyrie and Hayward.   2 all stars.  They should but wont because of the dysfunction.  That's a top 5 player in the league and an all star.   You think that's a leap?

yes, that's a leap.

eta: just went back and looked at the Bucks starting 5 in that series and it included John Henson and Tony Snell, and Jason Terry and Jabari Parker were playing significant minutes off the bench.  I don't think you realize all the Bucks had last year were Giannis and Khris Middleton.  Malcolm Brogdon was coming off an injury and Eric Bledsoe wasn't nearly as engaged as he is this season.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: King Postwhore on April 23, 2019, 02:14:09 PM
I don't.  All the experts were picking them to challenge the Warriors this year.  This year has been an utter disappointment.  Ego's getting in the way.  Players being selfish.  That's not taking away anything from the Bucks.  They will rule the east going forward.   No doubt but the expectations were that high.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: King Postwhore on April 23, 2019, 02:19:28 PM
I also think the head coach change has been the right call for the Bucks.  Great move.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: Samsara on April 23, 2019, 02:58:18 PM
re: dysfunction -- overrated when you get to the postseason. Everyone gets on the same page, because issues don't matter any longer. Winning does. The dysfunction over roles in Boston doesn't exist now. Everyone knows that in the clutch, the two main options are Irving and Tatum. Everyone else gets behind. And you saw that in the first round. That will continue. Dysfunction goes away when you win.

The Bucks are so good. And they have flexibility to do whatever they want moving forward, roster-wise. As long as Giannis stays there, and I see no reason why he'd leave, given what I've seen in public about his persona, the Bucks are going to be legitimate title contenders for the next 10 years, as long as they continue to put the right pieces around him.

Honestly, this match-up is the best of the second round in any conference. Toronto and Philly...eh. Will be good, not as good as Boston-Milwaukee, except for people in Toronto and Philly. I will say this...if Toronto doesn't beat the Sixers, Leonard is gone. And that whole team will be blown up. If Philly loses, I'd bet almost anything both Butler and Harris are gone. Harris will likely go to the Nets or the Knicks and head home (he's from my neck of the woods, I think he's from West Islip). Butler is going to go where he's gonna get paid and be a top dog. Not sure where that is, but that's where he's going.

But the best series is MIlwaukee and Boston. That's the eastern conference finals right there. Whatever team wins that is going to the NBA finals. Book it. No offense to Toronto and Philly fans. But those two teams are a step behind. I have no horse in the race, other than my disdain for Jimmy Butler, and my hatred of Boston sports in general (it killed me when KG went to the Celtics). But I call it as I see it.

Go Bucks!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: King Postwhore on April 23, 2019, 04:03:23 PM
We will see against a better team like the Bucks.  I'm not so sure.  I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: TAC on April 23, 2019, 04:27:43 PM
Sam, Toronto will beat Philly.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: Azyiu on April 23, 2019, 06:44:09 PM
Bucks vs. Celtics is going to be one for the ages. A seven-gamer for sure, probably with a couple of OT games at least.

We need prediction! Who wins? I say Bucks in 6
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: King Postwhore on April 23, 2019, 06:46:20 PM
That's what I was thinking. Bucks in 6.  God, I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: T-ski on April 23, 2019, 07:03:07 PM
https://youtu.be/6U6f69HRocI?t=141
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: TAC on April 23, 2019, 07:17:25 PM
That's what I was thinking. Bucks in 6.  God, I hope I'm wrong.

You'd rather Bucks in 5?? :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: King Postwhore on April 23, 2019, 07:18:45 PM
 :lol

C's in 6.  🤞🤞🤞
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: Azyiu on April 23, 2019, 08:35:52 PM
Raptors / Sixers should be a fun series... both teams are quite equally matched... X-factor would be Lowry... will he keep disappearing on and off?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: jammindude on April 23, 2019, 11:44:37 PM
NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THAT 3 BY LILLARD AT THE BUZZER????!!!!!!!


:panicattack:


RIP CITY BABY!!!!! :metal
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: Azyiu on April 23, 2019, 11:46:48 PM
NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THAT 3 BY LILLARD AT THE BUZZER????!!!!!!!


:panicattack:


RIP CITY BABY!!!!! :metal

Was just going to say something about it... the Blazers came from behind and won it at the end no less!!  :tup  :hat
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lilliard sends Westbrick home for the offseason
Post by: KevShmev on April 24, 2019, 05:14:43 AM
Wow, what a shot.  :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg:

And it's so great to see Westbrick lose in the first round again.  He has a fellow top 15 player and still can't get out of the first round. :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lilliard sends Westbrick home for the offseason
Post by: Nekov on April 24, 2019, 06:30:13 AM
Whatever Westbrook gained in play-making and helping the team in other ways, he has lost in shooting, and that is a big reason why they lost again. His shooting % was horrible throughout the series.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lilliard sends Westbrick home for the offseason
Post by: T-ski on April 24, 2019, 07:03:18 AM
stole this from twitter....

Call him Russell Estbrook because he can't get the "W".
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Westbrook en route to another 1st round exit without KD
Post by: Samsara on April 24, 2019, 09:14:28 AM
Sam, Toronto will beat Philly.

From your screen to God's ears my friend. F*** Jimmy Butler.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lilliard sends Westbrick home for the offseason
Post by: Samsara on April 24, 2019, 09:17:03 AM
I've lost a ton of respect for Westbrook. Both as a player, and his bad decisions and as a person with the way he is handling the media. I've known about the media thing for a long time, it just gets hyped in the playoffs. But I didn't think it was that severe. Ridiculous. Westbrook looks like an ass.

He's a huge talent, but he needs to spend an offseason working on his jump shot, and then also realizing he isn't Jordan or Kobe. Instead of averaging all those points, and all those shots, how about concentrate on being a ball distributor and floor general, and average 18 assists and find your guys. MAKE THEM BETTER.

Congrats to Portland. Hope they come out of the west. Anybody but the Warriors and Nuggets.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lilliard sends Westbrick home for the offseason
Post by: bosk1 on April 24, 2019, 01:55:53 PM
:lol  Hard to believe Portland made it even this far.  I thought for sure they'd get swept.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lilliard sends Westbrick home for the offseason
Post by: jammindude on April 24, 2019, 11:30:24 PM
I’ve been saying all season that people should be more afraid of Portland. ...I backed off of that when Nurkic went down, but with the Warriors struggling to even get past the Clippers, this post season could get really interesting really fast.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lilliard sends Westbrick home for the offseason
Post by: T-ski on April 25, 2019, 06:37:03 AM
so Golden State can't put away the Clips.....interesting.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lilliard sends Westbrick home for the offseason
Post by: Nekov on April 26, 2019, 08:12:19 AM
Anyone feel like talking about the Spurs? I know they aren't anyone's favorites around here (except me) but I think we are taking them for granted and we shouldn't. Lots of people thought they were done after the big 3 was gone and the Kawhi fiasco, yet they managed to get into the playoffs once again and are fighting hard to get rid of the nr 2 seed in the west, all of this without their starting PG.
If they do get past the Nuggets, I think that's as far as they will reach since they don't have the tools to stop Lillard, but I still think it's impressive that they can remain competing like this after all the changes they have been through.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lilliard sends Westbrick home for the offseason
Post by: bosk1 on April 26, 2019, 08:16:50 AM
They are pretty thin.  But if they somehow get past Denver, I don't think it's asking too much to think they could beat up on the garbage Blazers.  Still not even sure how that team made it out of the first round.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lilliard sends Westbrick home for the offseason
Post by: Nekov on April 26, 2019, 09:31:57 AM
I agree, they are a pretty thin team, which is why I praise what they are accomplishing. As far as the Blazers, I don't think they are garbage. They have 2 really good players who can score at will and a cast of 3&D players that support them pretty good. Then you have Kanter, who's defense (lack of) will be exploited to the max by Pop or Malone.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lilliard sends Westbrick home for the offseason
Post by: contest_sanity on April 26, 2019, 02:18:42 PM
Jokic or Aldridge should feast on Kanter, good point...
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lilliard sends Westbrick home for the offseason
Post by: jammindude on April 27, 2019, 09:35:41 AM
They are pretty thin.  But if they somehow get past Denver, I don't think it's asking too much to think they could beat up on the garbage Blazers.  Still not even sure how that team made it out of the first round.

How bout a wager. 

If the Blazers make it to the Western finals (at which point, I do think they will fall...but I think they have a very strong chance of getting there) you have to change to a "Rip City" avatar for the remainder of the playoffs.    If they don't, I will change mine to an avatar of your choice for the remainder of the playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lilliard sends Westbrick home for the offseason
Post by: TAC on April 27, 2019, 07:17:50 PM
J-Boy West.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lilliard sends Westbrick home for the offseason
Post by: Azyiu on April 27, 2019, 07:50:55 PM
Kawhi is awesome in Game 1...

Meanwhile, Jimmy Butler is a non-factor in Game 1 at Toronto... at times I literally forgot he IS on the floor...
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lilliard sends Westbrick home for the offseason
Post by: jingle.boy on April 28, 2019, 06:27:39 AM
So yeah ... Leonard was on fire. But, and coach Nurse said, every game is different. I don't expect that level of domination every game. Shutting down Butler and Emblid are the real keys to victory.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. R.I.P. John Havlicek
Post by: T-ski on April 28, 2019, 01:24:37 PM
Celtics took the Bucks lunch money then punched them in the nuts.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. R.I.P. John Havlicek
Post by: King Postwhore on April 28, 2019, 01:58:14 PM
Really surprised.   Do the C's really have an on/off switch?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. R.I.P. John Havlicek
Post by: KevShmev on April 28, 2019, 02:29:02 PM
A lot of people hate on Colin Cowherd, who can be a bit of an elitist douche at times, but he has been saying for months that the Celtics will be fine once the playoffs start and be the team to beat in the East.  He looks pretty smart so far.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. R.I.P. John Havlicek
Post by: King Postwhore on April 28, 2019, 05:15:21 PM
From a Boston prospective the behavior of all player and the see saw of emotions dealing with Kyrie mde this season soured and us not believing in them.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. R.I.P. John Havlicek
Post by: TAC on April 28, 2019, 05:48:01 PM
They were really unlikeable.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. R.I.P. John Havlicek
Post by: bosk1 on April 29, 2019, 12:03:27 PM
They are pretty thin.  But if they somehow get past Denver, I don't think it's asking too much to think they could beat up on the garbage Blazers.  Still not even sure how that team made it out of the first round.

How bout a wager. 

If the Blazers make it to the Western finals (at which point, I do think they will fall...but I think they have a very strong chance of getting there) you have to change to a "Rip City" avatar for the remainder of the playoffs.    If they don't, I will change mine to an avatar of your choice for the remainder of the playoffs.

Sure, why not?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. R.I.P. John Havlicek
Post by: bosk1 on April 30, 2019, 11:08:17 AM
Love this article on Harden.

https://theundefeated.com/features/james-harden-houston-rockets-disrespects-the-unwritten-rules-of-basketball/

A lot of it is tongue-in-cheek.  But there's some meat to it as well, especially if you watch the linked videos where it shows defenders basically going up vertical, and Harden jumping forward three feet and then arguing that the defender invaded his landing space. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. R.I.P. John Havlicek
Post by: Samsara on April 30, 2019, 12:18:33 PM
I don't even need to read it. As a player, coach, and fan, Harden clearly does things just like Reggie Miller started back in the day, and I am surprised they haven't done a side-by-side comparison. He kicks in to the defender. There's a rule for that. They don't enforce it. I am not a fan of GS or Houston, so the series is just annoying for me to watch as a whole. But man, talk about a series of the biggest whiners in the game. Geez.

Harden should be called for an offensive foul EVERY SINGLE TIME he jumps into the defender. You need to go up VERTICALLY. Not vertically "and let's see if I can lean my legs or shoulders out and get a call." It's bullshit, and why the rule is there in the first place. I started watching Towns do it, and then he stopped, thankfully because the coaching staff on the team told him to stop.

Chris Paul should have been suspended. Period. You touch a ref in any manner with any sort of frustration (I mean, if its a complete not looking where you are going and you bump the ref, that should be OK), you should be thrown out of the game, and suspended for the next game. I hate Draymond Green with a passion, as he's the biggest whiner in the game. But you KNOW if Draymond Green touches a ref, he'd be shit-canned for the next game. Paul got special treatment. It's ridiculous. Paul also plays dirty.

/rant
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. R.I.P. John Havlicek
Post by: T-ski on April 30, 2019, 08:36:04 PM
Bucks/Celtics game two goes complete 180 from game one.

maybe we could get some games where both teams play up to their potential.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. R.I.P. John Havlicek
Post by: Azyiu on April 30, 2019, 10:12:23 PM
Am I the only League Pass subscriber here?

They recently introduced couple new viewing modes, and one is called the Mascot Mode; in which there are on-screen effects with player's names on the floor like in 2K the game. It sucks that's about all and I cannot control those players, and make Harden to play D.  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. R.I.P. John Havlicek
Post by: Lonk on May 01, 2019, 05:23:23 AM
It doesn’t matter what we see/Say about Harden. As long as he continues to get the calls he is going to keep on doing what he does.

I have not been keeping up as much as I would like with games, but I was laughing at an Article on ESPN where harden was complaining about a ref for game 2.

Also, Curry’s finger looked broken, but I expect him to play in a few days with a cast.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: KevShmev on May 01, 2019, 09:00:49 AM
Harden is obviously a great player, but his style of play, where he clearly tries to do everything he can to get fouls called non-stop, is very off-putting.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. R.I.P. John Havlicek
Post by: Samsara on May 01, 2019, 09:39:24 AM
Am I the only League Pass subscriber here?

They recently introduced couple new viewing modes, and one is called the Mascot Mode; in which there are on-screen effects with player's names on the floor like in 2K the game. It sucks that's about all and I cannot control those players, and make Harden to play D.  :lol

I have it, but only the single team option, which is the Wolves.

re: Harden - this bullshit has to stop. The competition committee needs to discuss and authorize a rule change that if a player is judged by a referee to intentionally try and draw a foul by any other means other than a pump fake, which is allowed, that it will result in a common foul on the player trying to draw it. This shit has to end. It makes the game unwatchable. I watched the first quarter of that Warriors-Rockets game last night, and I turned it off. I won't watch the rest of the series. Between the stupid drawing fouls to the whining, just enough already.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: bosk1 on May 01, 2019, 09:52:21 AM
But they WON'T do that, because that is such a huge part of Harden's game that it would take him down from "in the MVP discussion every year" to just "really good."
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: Azyiu on May 01, 2019, 09:54:15 AM
re: Harden - this bullshit has to stop. The competition committee needs to discuss and authorize a rule change that if a player is judged by a referee to intentionally try and draw a foul by any other means other than a pump fake, which is allowed, that it will result in a common foul on the player trying to draw it. This shit has to end. It makes the game unwatchable. I watched the first quarter of that Warriors-Rockets game last night, and I turned it off. I won't watch the rest of the series. Between the stupid drawing fouls to the whining, just enough already.

In all fairness, Game 2 was played quite cleanly for the most parts. I think the refs did a good job in making most of the calls quite consistently. The Rockets simply got beat.  :hat
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: jammindude on May 01, 2019, 09:41:31 PM
Wow....those Blazers sure are terrible...

 :metal :hat
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: bosk1 on May 02, 2019, 03:03:16 PM
:lol  Slow your roll, bro.  It's only 1-1, and against the Nuggets.  Even the Clippers were able to take 2 games against the #1 seed.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: Samsara on May 02, 2019, 03:49:00 PM
I *HATE* the Nuggets. There was something in that "play-in" game in 2018 that sparked some true rage that is usually saved for the Red Sox late in the season. A budding Minnesota-Denver rivalry. Anyone playing the Nuggets has my full support. GO BLAZERS.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: Azyiu on May 04, 2019, 09:19:38 PM
What a BS ending to an otherwise great game... the Dubs just let the Rockets get away with a win at the end like that?!  :tdwn
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: jammindude on May 05, 2019, 08:58:18 AM
I’m at a family reunion all weekend, but it looks like I missed the game of the century last night! QUADRUPLE OT??? Are you kidding me???
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: contest_sanity on May 05, 2019, 10:25:30 AM
I’m at a family reunion all weekend, but it looks like I missed the game of the century last night! QUADRUPLE OT??? Are you kidding me???

Rodney Hood with the game-winner in 4OT -- just as we all predicted!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: jingle.boy on May 06, 2019, 05:50:06 AM
Raptors gutted out a solid victory yesterday - though, only using a 6-man rotation is gonna be hard on them.  The bench had better step up at some point - zero points for anyone below the top 6 isn't gonna cut it.  Kawhi isn't going to continue to shoot 62% all playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: Samsara on May 06, 2019, 11:30:08 AM
I'd really appreciate it if the Raps would get this won. You all know my hatred of Butler and his BS with the Wolves. But I've come to despise Embiid and Simmons to a great deal. Harris seems like a good guy. Hoping he goes home to the Knicks or Nets after this run.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: T-ski on May 06, 2019, 07:53:07 PM
Bucks are having their way with Boston.

It’d be nice to finish it on Wednesday and let Philly and Toronto continue to beat on each other in seven.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: Azyiu on May 06, 2019, 07:55:09 PM
Bucks are having their way with Boston.

It’d be nice to finish it on Wednesday and let Philly and Toronto continue to beat on each other in seven.

I would love to see a Raptors / Bucks ECF... Leonard vs Antetokoumpo going mano a mano would be a basketball fans' dream.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: TAC on May 06, 2019, 07:59:34 PM
This Celtics season has been totally disgusting. There is no way they can bring Kyrie back. I think his departure will be mutual.

Just a totally lost season. I would say that ONLY Marcus Smart played to expectations this year. Not one player took the next step.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: King Postwhore on May 07, 2019, 06:26:51 AM
Kyrie leaving the court with 10 second left on the clock is very poetic how he handled being a leader this year.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: Samsara on May 07, 2019, 07:50:17 AM
If I were the Celtics, I'd sit Kyrie for this last game, and make a statement. He conducted himself like a punk, and that's not cool. Horrendous leader. His postgame comments were equally as stupid. i am no fan of the Celtics, but Danny needs to just cut his losses and move on. And it should start with next game. May light a fire under the rest of the team to play better.

I feel sorry for whoever signs Kyrie in the offseason. THe guy's knee is going to give in the next season or two, and he's no leader. He's a second option. Always Robin, not meant to be Batman. Would not surprise me in the least if he ended up back with Lebron in LA. The Nets don't want him, I don't think the Knicks want him (they are all in on Durant, and probably would prefer a second tier FA after Durant like Middleton or Harris), and I just don't see the market screaming for Kyrie except for those spots. The Clippers are too smart to even entertain the idea.

Clearly, given IT's injuries, Ainge made the correct move, but its time to just move on.

Hayward has gone through a traumatic injury, and I know it must be hard to trust your body, but dude has to perform like he did pre-injury. The Celtics need his aggressive moves to the cup. If he's not going to do it, sit him and put guys in who will.

Go Bucks, Go Raps, Go Blazers.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: Azyiu on May 07, 2019, 08:34:53 PM
Both the Raptors and Bucks are mere one win away from meeting in the ECF... please let that match up between Kawhi and Antetokounmpo happen  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: Samsara on May 08, 2019, 08:25:17 AM
Both the Raptors and Bucks are mere one win away from meeting in the ECF... please let that match up between Kawhi and Antetokounmpo happen  :hefdaddy

That'd be an epic clash. I think they'd probably guard one another. Be interesting to see if Kawhi can shut down The Freak.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Lakers in freefall, Westbrook out of control
Post by: jingle.boy on May 08, 2019, 08:57:58 AM
That's cool.  I would imagine they should make it at least to the East Finals.  I don't imagine anyone but the 76ers or Raptors being able to challenge them (I think the Celtics' injuries take them out of the race).

I'll say it again...The Sixers are total Frauds. They are not getting out of the second round.

So Tim... I guess last night's Philly team was the one you've been warning everyone about??  :lol

Hope that team shows up again tomorrow.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: TAC on May 08, 2019, 04:46:01 PM
I don't think you have anything to worry about.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Draymond Green on record-setting technical foul pace
Post by: King Postwhore on May 08, 2019, 07:17:14 PM
Kyrie.  Wth.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kyrie Irving shoots himself out of Beantown
Post by: T-ski on May 09, 2019, 07:34:26 AM
typical national media talking about the Celtics losing rather than the Bucks winning.

we'll just keeping chugging along, eventually they'll see just how good the team really is.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kyrie Irving shoots himself out of Beantown
Post by: King Postwhore on May 09, 2019, 07:50:33 AM
typical national media talking about the Celtics losing rather than the Bucks winning.

we'll just keeping chugging along, eventually they'll see just how good the team really is.

Well, I think there were high expectations the C's to go to the finals this year and this season was an utter disappointment.  The were their own worst enemy this year.


The Bucks are just starting to make a name for themselves.  I think they are 1 big name player from being able to get to the finals consistently.  Giannis needs one 1A player to do so but the sky is the limit for the Bucks.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kyrie Irving shoots himself out of Beantown
Post by: Samsara on May 09, 2019, 09:49:43 AM
typical national media talking about the Celtics losing rather than the Bucks winning.

we'll just keeping chugging along, eventually they'll see just how good the team really is.

Bucks really showed something. Giannis has that same killer mentality that Jordan and Kobe had. I hope its their year. They have a great group, particularly with Brogdon now healthy (he is so underrated). As Giannis' jumper evolves and he starts taking and making 3s, you might as well pencil the Bucks in for a few titles. Gonna happen.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kyrie Irving shoots himself out of Beantown
Post by: Lonk on May 09, 2019, 11:57:36 AM
So the Lakers tried to get Ty Lou and he turned the job down. They are saying is because he was asking for more money than what he was offered (3 year 18M), but given all the drama there was in Cleveland with him and Lebron, I think there's more to the story than we will ever know.

I hope Toronto finishes off philly today.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kyrie Irving shoots himself out of Beantown
Post by: Samsara on May 09, 2019, 12:46:29 PM
So the Lakers tried to get Ty Lou and he turned the job down. They are saying is because he was asking for more money than what he was offered (3 year 18M), but given all the drama there was in Cleveland with him and Lebron, I think there's more to the story than we will ever know.

I hope Toronto finishes off philly today.

You have to remember that Cleveland still pays him. So if he was offered 3 years, 18 mil by the Lakers, remember he's still getting paid another three or four million from the Cavs. So it's more like 3 years, 21 million or so. On NBA Radio early this morning, they talked about how it may have come down to contract length. The contract is tied to Lebron's tenure. And Lue is probably wanting more stability than that (I don't blame him).

I am surprised they are interviewing Frank Vogel.

Go Raps.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kyrie Irving shoots himself out of Beantown
Post by: Nekov on May 09, 2019, 04:53:39 PM
For what I've been reading, the problem is that the Lakers wanted to dictate who would be part of the coaching staff, Jason Kidd being one of the people they wanted as assistant coach. Something similar happened with Luke Walton and that soured the relationship. No good coach will want to be a part of that.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kyrie Irving shoots himself out of Beantown
Post by: Azyiu on May 09, 2019, 06:45:56 PM
As a Lakers fan, I have been in the WTF mode since the AD failed trade, and our subsequence meltdown. In some ways I no longer care who will be named HC, unless they can hire someone like JVG or Mark Jackson. I have no faith in anyone of those candidates, period.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kyrie Irving shoots himself out of Beantown
Post by: jingle.boy on May 09, 2019, 07:16:56 PM
Not a good 1st half for the Raptors.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kyrie Irving shoots himself out of Beantown
Post by: KevShmev on May 09, 2019, 07:44:57 PM
typical national media talking about the Celtics losing rather than the Bucks winning.

we'll just keeping chugging along, eventually they'll see just how good the team really is.

Thread title updated just for you. :hat
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Kyrie Irving shoots himself out of Beantown
Post by: T-ski on May 09, 2019, 08:55:23 PM
typical national media talking about the Celtics losing rather than the Bucks winning.

we'll just keeping chugging along, eventually they'll see just how good the team really is.

Thread title updated just for you. :hat

 :tup
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: jammindude on May 09, 2019, 08:58:27 PM
CJ is hot and Lillard is cold....not sure what to think of that.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: jammindude on May 09, 2019, 09:39:42 PM
If the Blazers win this...even if they lose game 7 and I lose my bet...I want some acknowledgement that they are NOT "terrible".   They were the #3 seed in the toughest conference, and took the 2 seed to game 7.   That should account for something.

EDIT - correction.. They took the #2 seed to game 7 with their primary "big guy in the middle" out for the season. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: jammindude on May 09, 2019, 10:14:41 PM
Now Lillard is heating up.   And the bench is stepping up.   But Denver is good.   This is going to be tight.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: bosk1 on May 10, 2019, 07:45:02 AM
If the Blazers win this...even if they lose game 7 and I lose my bet...I want some acknowledgement that they are NOT "terrible".   

No, even if they win, they're still terrible.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: jammindude on May 10, 2019, 10:03:21 AM
If the Blazers win this...even if they lose game 7 and I lose my bet...I want some acknowledgement that they are NOT "terrible".   

No, even if they win, they're still terrible.

Now you’re just trolling... ;D
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: bosk1 on May 10, 2019, 10:22:23 AM
Not at all.  Bad teams catch good breaks and make playoff runs all the time.  Boston made it to the second round.  Philly is taking Toronto to 7 games.  I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about that.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: King Postwhore on May 10, 2019, 10:44:48 AM
That's not bad tams.  That's flawed teams. Good but flawed.  Bad teams are Cavs & the Knicks.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: Samsara on May 10, 2019, 10:47:30 AM
That's not bad tams.  That's flawed teams. Good but flawed.  Bad teams are Cavs & the Knicks.

Exactly. The Blazers have good talent, and a closer. Decent depth when fully healthy. They are a good team with flaws that hopefully advance to the WCF. The Cavs and the Knicks have almost no talent, certainly no franchise player, and those are BAD teams. The Blazers are talented and are gelling at the right time. Here's hoping they ride it through to the NBA Finals.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: Nekov on May 10, 2019, 10:50:08 AM
Come on guys, by now you should know that bosk's standard for a bad team is: A team that is not the warriors.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: Samsara on May 10, 2019, 10:53:15 AM
I DIDN'T SAY IT THIS TIME. Just wanna be clear!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: jammindude on May 10, 2019, 12:41:49 PM
Come on guys, by now you should know that bosk's standard for a bad team is: A team that is not the warriors.

 :rollin
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: Azyiu on May 10, 2019, 09:43:24 PM
Harden uncharacteristically missed 5 FTs... that contributed to their loss... the Warriors or Kerr did a great job winning game 6 short handed and with Curry struggling in the first half. It was only his second career playoffs game in which he didn't score in the first half
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: Azyiu on May 11, 2019, 09:17:36 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2835689-chris-paul-reportedly-denied-stephen-curry-practice-time-before-game-6 (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2835689-chris-paul-reportedly-denied-stephen-curry-practice-time-before-game-6)

If this report is true, CP3 would deserve every bit of my hatred as a player for him.  :tdwn
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: T-ski on May 11, 2019, 02:48:48 PM
hard to believe Chris Paul is the President of the players union.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: Lonk on May 12, 2019, 04:13:14 PM
Great win by Portland
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: jammindude on May 12, 2019, 06:22:47 PM
Pay up Bosk!  :angel: :rollin :hat
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: Azyiu on May 12, 2019, 07:18:39 PM
Pay up Bosk!  :angel: :rollin :hat

 :tup  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: Lonk on May 12, 2019, 07:34:00 PM
 :corn :o
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: Azyiu on May 12, 2019, 07:35:57 PM
What a lucky bounce, wow!! I have never seem such a lucky bounce since Game 5 in 1986 Rockets @ Lakers
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: TAC on May 12, 2019, 07:37:26 PM
KaWow!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: jammindude on May 12, 2019, 09:21:39 PM
Bosk, I wouldn't be gloating as much if you weren't so stubborn.   :angel: :lol

But now I'm totally going to be visiting this forum ALL. THE. TIME. just to gaze upon your Rip City avatar for the rest of the playoffs. 

Still love you my friend, but you brought this on yourself.   :P
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: jingle.boy on May 13, 2019, 04:41:26 AM
What a lucky bounce, wow!! I have never seem such a lucky bounce since Game 5 in 1986 Rockets @ Lakers

Yeah ... that was a friendly home court rim bounce if I ever saw one!  Makes up for Vince Carter's unlucky rim bounce 18 years ago.

Raps gotta get the offence going again.  That 16-0 run at the start of the 3rd had a LOT of easy looks missed by the whole team.  Kahwi could've had 50.  Gosal has to produce SOMETHING. If not for the turnovers and offensive rebounding, the Raps would've been going home. 38% shooting (23%) from 3pt) ain't gonna get it done.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: Nekov on May 13, 2019, 05:52:45 AM
Pay up Bosk!  :angel: :rollin :hat

I think you should chose the avatar.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: jammindude on May 13, 2019, 07:54:53 AM
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r47/jammindude/ECE15F00-F738-4497-9B0B-B03E168FB56F_zpszx6jsmsc.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: bosk1 on May 13, 2019, 08:15:50 AM
Bosk, I wouldn't be gloating as much if you weren't so stubborn.   :angel: :lol

But now I'm totally going to be visiting this forum ALL. THE. TIME. just to gaze upon your Rip City avatar for the rest of the playoffs. 

No worries.  They won; I'll wear it.  ...but you could have at least resized it and made it avatar size so I didn't have to do it myself.

Still love you my friend, but you brought this on yourself.   :P

Like I said, I don't mind wearing it.  You don't have to offer up fake platitudes.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: bosk1 on May 13, 2019, 08:22:41 AM
That's not bad tams.  That's flawed teams. Good but flawed.  Bad teams are Cavs & the Knicks.

Exactly. The Blazers have good talent, and a closer. Decent depth when fully healthy. They are a good team with flaws that hopefully advance to the WCF. The Cavs and the Knicks have almost no talent, certainly no franchise player, and those are BAD teams. The Blazers are talented and are gelling at the right time.

Ok, well just stop for a second because we're talking apples and oranges here.  I don't disagree with anything you said.  But you have to look at my post in context.  Since a couple of years ago, I've been praising Portland.  I don't remember the exact words I used, but I basically said that a couple of years ago, I had thought they could be the Warriors biggest competition in the west moving forward and that they were a legit threat.  That's all on record.  I'm not saying they are "terrible" in a vaccuum in relation to the entire NBA.  But 2 years later, they have done NOTHING with what they had two years ago to step up and be the team they should have become.  And among the west playoff teams (which is the context of JD's original post saying that he didn't understand why everyone was so down on this team that, in his mind, should be the "second coming"), they are near the bottom of the barrel.  They ARE talented.  And they ARE gelling at the right time (which is basically what I said a few posts above yours).  But I didn't expect them to even make it out of the first round, and I'm surprised to find them in the WC finals (well, sort of surprised--they were playing Denver, which seems to be a team that is equal parts "contender" and "pretender" on any given night). 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: Samsara on May 13, 2019, 08:44:27 AM
Congrats to the Raptors and the Blazers. And as a Wolves fan a special thanks to the Raps for kicking "General Soreness" out. The Bucks-Raptors series is going to be one for the ages. Love playoff basketball. Such crazy talent.

As for the Warriors-Blazers, I expect it to be Warriors in 6. I'm hoping they take the Warriors down, but I doubt that happens, even if Durant doesn't play. The Warriors are just too good. But you never know. Bosk, as for your comment on the Blazers, you called them "terrible." I was responding to that very clear statement by you, which was, until that point, your most recent statement on the team. My response was based solely on that - no more, no less. They aren't "terrible," and that's a very poor choice of words on your part, which you no doubt know, as you felt the need to come back and explain yourself.  :lol

Regardless, the Warriors should handle the Blazers with relative ease. It'll go six games without Durant. With Durant in the mix, maybe it'll be five games. But generally, I see it as Warriors in 6.

The most exciting series is the Eastern Conference Finals. I expect that to go to seven. Really hard to pick a winner. The Bucks SHOULD win. At least on paper. But we'll see. Either way, it'll be nice to see a new team from the East in the Finals.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: bosk1 on May 13, 2019, 09:01:11 AM
Congrats to the Raptors

Yes!  I came back in here realizing that I forgot to say that and was coming to post that very thing.  I still have them picked to come out of the East.  And personally, I would love to see them make it to the finals because they've been so close, only to be turned away by LeBron's Cavs.  But either way, we definitely have the two best in the East duking it out for the right to advance. 

Bosk, as for your comment on the Blazers, you called them "terrible." I was responding to that very clear statement by you, which was, until that point, your most recent statement on the team. My response was based solely on that - no more, no less.

No worries.  I know you don't follow every post I've made, especially since I haven't posted about Portland in quite some time, so I wouldn't expect you to have that context.  And besides, I know you're relatively new to the game itself, so I'll give you a pass.  :P
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: jingle.boy on May 13, 2019, 09:04:19 AM
If the Raps don't get more consistent offensively, and/or get some stability out of their bench, this could be over in 4 or 5.  Hopefully OG Anunoby can get back into the lineup, and provide some reliable bench minutes.  But, being cold for 4 weeks, that's gonna be a tall ask of him.

It's a good thing they're playing stingy defence (leading in PPG against), cuz the offense is all over the place.  The starting 5 is averaging over 30 mins a game - and given the age of Green, Gasol and Lowry, that's a lot of minutes to log.  Other than Norm Powell, no one after the top 7 has more than 5 MPG. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: jingle.boy on May 13, 2019, 09:25:08 AM
Shee-it.  I just read this is the FIRST Game-7 buzzer beater ever.  EVER!?!?!  Wow, I'm amazed at that.  MJ had a Round 1 / Game 5 buzzer beater back in the 80s, but that was before Round 1 was extended to a best-of-7 format.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: Samsara on May 13, 2019, 10:15:02 AM
  And besides, I know you're relatively new to the game itself, so I'll give you a pass.  :P

I know you are kidding, since you know I've been a hardcore basketball fan since 1989.  :lol

Shee-it.  I just read this is the FIRST Game-7 buzzer beater ever.  EVER!?!?!  Wow, I'm amazed at that.  MJ had a Round 1 / Game 5 buzzer beater back in the 80s, but that was before Round 1 was extended to a best-of-7 format.

I didn't know that either. Incredible. That shot of Kawhi crouched, hoping for it to go in -- that needs to be blown up and framed by every Raptors fan. Just an iconic moment.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: jammindude on May 13, 2019, 06:30:50 PM
Bosk, I wouldn't be gloating as much if you weren't so stubborn.   :angel: :lol

But now I'm totally going to be visiting this forum ALL. THE. TIME. just to gaze upon your Rip City avatar for the rest of the playoffs. 

No worries.  They won; I'll wear it.  ...but you could have at least resized it and made it avatar size so I didn't have to do it myself.

Still love you my friend, but you brought this on yourself.   :P

Like I said, I don't mind wearing it.  You don't have to offer up fake platitudes.

I'm weird, and verbose....but I'm never fake.  I was giving an honest ribbing as a term of endearment the same way I would to a friend sitting next to me at a card game.   
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Greek Freak dominating
Post by: King Postwhore on May 13, 2019, 07:06:43 PM
Shee-it.  I just read this is the FIRST Game-7 buzzer beater ever.  EVER!?!?!  Wow, I'm amazed at that.  MJ had a Round 1 / Game 5 buzzer beater back in the 80s, but that was before Round 1 was extended to a best-of-7 format.

Snow, you still around?  Lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Blazers showing their greatness
Post by: Lonk on May 15, 2019, 07:07:52 AM
WCF Game 1 went as expected.

The draft however...The news here in NY were making it seem like Knicks were locked to get #1 pick, and in a way I'm glad they didn't. I have a feeling the Lakers are going to try and trade their pick and some role players for a 15PPG player.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Blazers showing their greatness
Post by: bosk1 on May 15, 2019, 07:59:06 AM
What went right last night:  Some of the biggest things for me were:  (1) The Warriors were loose and just looked relaxed and like they were having fun, which has been missing far too often this season and postseason.  (2) EVERYBODY got substantial minutes and made a substantial contribution.  Yeah, Steph and Klay dominated the scoring.  But 13 guys played, and 12 of them scored points.  After the way they started the Houston series, that is huge.  (3) Rebounds.  They DOMINATED the glass, offensively and defensively.  But not sure how much of that may be attributable to Portland just not having their legs after a 7-game slugfest in Denver and short rest.

What did not:  They were perhaps a bit too loose, in a careless sort of way.  They can't continue that.  Once Portland catches their breath and gets their legs back under them, they will make the Warriors pay if the Warriors continue to be that casual with the ball and possessions. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Blazers showing their greatness
Post by: Azyiu on May 15, 2019, 08:17:30 AM
What went right last night:  Some of the biggest things for me were:  (1) The Warriors were loose and just looked relaxed and like they were having fun, which has been missing far too often this season and postseason.  (2) EVERYBODY got substantial minutes and made a substantial contribution.  Yeah, Steph and Klay dominated the scoring.  But 13 guys played, and 12 of them scored points.  After the way they started the Houston series, that is huge.  (3) Rebounds.  They DOMINATED the glass, offensively and defensively.  But not sure how much of that may be attributable to Portland just not having their legs after a 7-game slugfest in Denver and short rest.

What did not:  They were perhaps a bit too loose, in a careless sort of way.  They can't continue that.  Once Portland catches their breath and gets their legs back under them, they will make the Warriors pay if the Warriors continue to be that casual with the ball and possessions.

Agreed. The Blazers seemingly grabbed more offensive rebounds, and got a few more open looks than the Warriors in the first half. Problem for them was those shots just wouldn't fall for them, or else it would have been a much closer game. I expect game 2 will be totally different, and the Blazers would close out on Curry and Klay quicker and harder. Let's see what happen.  :hat
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors not missing a beat sans KD
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 15, 2019, 08:15:38 PM
Damn, Raps already have buzzerbeaters in the first and third quarters.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors not missing a beat sans KD
Post by: T-ski on May 15, 2019, 09:07:11 PM
Bucks shoot 25% from three and still win.

Raps looked gassed at the end.

Fear The Deer.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors not missing a beat sans KD
Post by: Azyiu on May 15, 2019, 09:07:22 PM
I think it feels more like the Bucks survived game 1 than they beat the Raptors. The Raptors actually played very good D in the first half, and Antetokoumpo simply looked passive at times.

Meanwhile, the Bucks managed to make Leonard to shoot so  ineffectively helps too. I think this series will go the distance, and each game will be tight.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors not missing a beat sans KD
Post by: jingle.boy on May 16, 2019, 04:43:58 AM
Hard to see your team snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. This was one the Raps could've and should've had. I don't see the Bucks offence getting any worse than it was last night - and they still got 108.

Bucks shoot 25% from three and still win.

Raps looked gassed at the end.

Fear The Deer.

Yup, yup, and yup. Middle point particularly - that's what happens when you've only got a 7 man rotation.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors not missing a beat sans KD
Post by: KevShmev on May 16, 2019, 06:28:37 AM
I feel bad for anybody who had Toronto and the points (+6) last night. :lol :lol

Chad, the Raptors will bounce back. This should be a long series.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors not missing a beat sans KD
Post by: jingle.boy on May 16, 2019, 06:53:40 AM
The Raps have three 30+ year olds logging 35-ish minutes a night.  I don't see how that's sustainable to get 8 more victories against teams with the depth and quality that the Bucks and Warriors have.  And I don't see the Bucks continuing to throw up the bricks they did last night throughout the series.  0-11 from 3-pt range in the 3rd quarter?  If they drop even 3 or 4 of those, it's a blowout win.

This will be lucky to go 6.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors not missing a beat sans KD
Post by: Azyiu on May 16, 2019, 07:06:44 AM
In general I am just a little surprised it was Lowry of all Raptors' players, who even made FGs in the 4th qtr last night.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors not missing a beat sans KD
Post by: Stadler on May 16, 2019, 07:30:05 AM
So Lamar Odom admits to having sex with 2,000 women.  https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2836425-lamar-odom-says-hes-a-sex-addict-been-with-over-2000-women-in-new-book

In related news, Wilt Chamberlain and Gene Simmons issued a joint statement: "Amateur."
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors not missing a beat sans KD
Post by: Samsara on May 16, 2019, 09:53:32 AM
The Raps are at an interesting point. With a seven-man rotation, they are not going to beat the Bucks. They need to get younger and deeper. To be frank, I think this is Lowry's last hurrah with them. I think regardless of what Leonard does in the off-season, the Raps will ship off Lowry for some younger depth. But it was nice to see Lowry explode last night. Guy has stones for sure. Dude is never afraid to take a shot. I admire that in a player.

Bucks in 6.

Warriors in 5. (Although I'm rooting for Rip City to prove me wrong and win.)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors not missing a beat sans KD
Post by: jingle.boy on May 16, 2019, 10:31:20 AM
The *only* hope the Raps have of keeping Leonard is to win the championship and commit to build around him.  And even then, I think it's 50/50 at best.  And if/when he goes, buh-bye contending team.  Lowry and Gasol are WAY past their prime; Green is a good player, but not a talent to build around.  After that, Siakim is their next stud.  After that... Van Fleet and a bunch of guys that spent most of their year in the G-League.  They'll be fighting just to make the playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors not missing a beat sans KD
Post by: Samsara on May 16, 2019, 11:02:16 AM
The *only* hope the Raps have of keeping Leonard is to win the championship and commit to build around him.  And even then, I think it's 50/50 at best.  And if/when he goes, buh-bye contending team.  Lowry and Gasol are WAY past their prime; Green is a good player, but not a talent to build around.  After that, Siakim is their next stud.  After that... Van Fleet and a bunch of guys that spent most of their year in the G-League.  They'll be fighting just to make the playoffs.

I wonder if they'd be open (if Leonard leaves), of doing something like Lowry/Siakim for Wiggins/Teague. They'd have the cap room if Leonard was gone. You'd get a slightly younger PG, and an under-performing, but still a ton of potential native Canadian wing. Be good for both teams, as the Wolves need a PF like Siakim, and Lowry would be a good veteran presence for Tyus Jones (assuming the Wolves resign him). Wiggins going home to Toronto may spark something.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors not missing a beat sans KD
Post by: Lonk on May 16, 2019, 02:32:35 PM
I wouldn't count out the Raptors just yet. This was an away game, coming from a 7 game series, they were not supposed to win that game in the first place.

I still see the raptors winning this series, but I would not be surprised if the Bucks make it to the Finals.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors not missing a beat sans KD
Post by: bosk1 on May 17, 2019, 09:45:53 AM
10 down, 6 to go...
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors not missing a beat sans KD
Post by: T-ski on May 18, 2019, 07:23:32 AM
another game, another 20+ point win.

Fear The Deer.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: jingle.boy on May 18, 2019, 08:41:07 AM
Two simple words.

Told.
Ya.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: Azyiu on May 18, 2019, 08:52:03 AM
I thought the Raptors had terrible game plan for game 2. Why wouldn't they set up Kawhi early at all? He barely touched the ball or gotten any touches most of the 1st qtr. Marc Gasol was absolutely horrible by going 1 for 9... and a few of those misses were mid-range open jumpers.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: jingle.boy on May 18, 2019, 08:59:33 AM
I knew when it happened that the Gasol for JV/Miles/Wright deal was a terrible one.  What the Raptors gained in a defensive improvement they lost in offense and bench depth.  Miles/Wright were never gonna be 6th-man of the year contenders, but they weren't liabilities like the 5 bench players they have now whose only meaningful minutes this playoff have come during a blowout game.

And Gasol is a fucking whiner too - moreso than Lowry.  Virtually every foul he gets prompts a reaction ranging from confused / 'you-gotta-be-kidding-me' / anger / 'this-is-bullshit'.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: jammindude on May 18, 2019, 09:40:32 PM
Congrats to GSW.   

I still say that Portland was underrated all year long.   But obviously, most of us knew that GSW was virtually unstoppable.   

It reminds me a little bit of when Seattle had such a fantastic team with Kemp and Payton...and had the misfortune to exist during the Jordan-era Bulls.     No one was ever going to beat that team.     Same with GSW.    Although I hope the Bucks at least make it interesting.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: Azyiu on May 18, 2019, 09:43:41 PM
Man, game 3 feels like the Dubs let you get a huge lead on purpose and say, this is all you've got?! And then ask someone to hold his beer and then went on to beat you with just one hand  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 19, 2019, 01:06:07 AM
Warriors are scary (obviously). If they win the title this year, they'll be the first team since the Auerbach Celtics to win 4 out of 5 titles. Not even the Bulls did that. Obviously they could've had MJ not had a gambling issue but, regardless, it's crazy to see a team doing anything that the 90s Bulls didn't and it's an entertaining coincidence that Steve Kerr was involved in both (though only an idiot wouldn't give Mark Jackson at least a little credit). Lastly, the George Mikan Lakers also did the 4 outta 5 titles thing by winning 5 in a 6 year span from 1949-54.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: TAC on May 19, 2019, 05:25:22 AM
Man, game 3 feels like the Dubs let you get a huge lead on purpose and say, this is all you've got?! And then ask someone to hold his beer and then went on to beat you with just one hand  :lol

 :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: KevShmev on May 19, 2019, 06:38:20 AM
Warriors are scary (obviously). If they win the title this year, they'll be the first team since the Auerbach Celtics to win 4 out of 5 titles. Not even the Bulls did that. Obviously they could've had MJ not had a gambling issue but, regardless, it's crazy to see a team doing anything that the 90s Bulls didn't and it's an entertaining coincidence that Steve Kerr was involved in both (though only an idiot wouldn't give Mark Jackson at least a little credit). Lastly, the George Mikan Lakers also did the 4 outta 5 titles thing by winning 5 in a 6 year span from 1949-54.

What's even funnier is that this 4-game winning streak demonstrates again that Kevin Durant is a luxury, not a necessity, and takes even more of the shine off of his 2 rings.  Yeah, yeah, he was the finals MVP both times, but I give mad props to the Splash Brothers who put ego aside and allowed Durant to be the man at times the last few years, but as we are seeing right now, without Durant, Curry and Thompson are still the best 1-2 punch in the league.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: Azyiu on May 19, 2019, 08:15:48 PM
Sure, the Dino won game 3 in 2OT, but it still doesn't feel like they can come back and win this series. After all they barely won game 3 even with Antetokoumpo fouled out 🤷🏻‍♂
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: T-ski on May 19, 2019, 08:40:46 PM
Sure, the Dino won game 3 in 2OT, but it still doesn't feel like they can come back and win this series. After all they barely won game 3 even with Antetokoumpo fouled out 🤷🏻‍♂

Bucks three best players played their worst offense game of the season collectively and it still went 2OT.

I don’t see that happening again.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: Samsara on May 20, 2019, 08:18:23 AM
When Giannis adds a 3 pt shot and improves his free-throw shooting, that man will be unstoppable. What I appreciated about his play last night, was while he was shut down offensively, he had 24 rebounds. TWENTY-FOUR. And chipped in with seven assists. Sure, the result is what it is. But unlike other players who disappear, Giannis kept fighting and was still a force for the team. I don't expect the Raptors to win another game.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: jingle.boy on May 20, 2019, 02:39:22 PM
Sure, the Dino won game 3 in 2OT, but it still doesn't feel like they can come back and win this series. After all they barely won game 3 even with Antetokoumpo fouled out 🤷🏻‍♂

Bucks three best players played their worst offense game of the season collectively and it still went 2OT.

Perhaps that's at least somewhat because of the Raps defense?  Bucks played worse in Game 1, imo, and the Raps let it slip away with a terrible fourth.  Refs were abysmal last night - towards both... Giannis travel; Leonard double-dribble; Powell's 6th foul was clearly an illegal pick by Lopez.  Siakim could've iced the game at the end of regulation - there was no need for it to go to OT at all.  Free throw shooting let the Bucks down too.

I don't think the Raps will come back either, but they earned that one - it's not like the Bucks let it slip away - unless once considers a team that whose only lead was 2-0  'letting it slip away'.   :lol 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: Samsara on May 20, 2019, 02:53:08 PM
I think the Raps are playing as best they can. The problem is -- the Bucks are better and deeper. The Bucks are playing nine guys. The Raps are playing seven or eight. I give the Raps credit for fighting the way they are. And they did, for at least yesterday, shut down Giannis. But I think the outcome is a forgone conclusion at this point.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: TAC on May 20, 2019, 03:04:41 PM
. But I think the outcome is a forgone conclusion at this point.

Well, it is the NBA..  :neverusethis:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: Samsara on May 20, 2019, 03:41:37 PM
. But I think the outcome is a forgone conclusion at this point.

Well, it is the NBA..  :neverusethis:

:neverusethis:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: T-ski on May 20, 2019, 04:02:23 PM
Sure, the Dino won game 3 in 2OT, but it still doesn't feel like they can come back and win this series. After all they barely won game 3 even with Antetokoumpo fouled out 🤷🏻‍♂

Bucks three best players played their worst offense game of the season collectively and it still went 2OT.

Perhaps that's at least somewhat because of the Raps defense?  Bucks played worse in Game 1, imo, and the Raps let it slip away with a terrible fourth.  Refs were abysmal last night - towards both... Giannis travel; Leonard double-dribble; Powell's 6th foul was clearly an illegal pick by Lopez.  Siakim could've iced the game at the end of regulation - there was no need for it to go to OT at all.  Free throw shooting let the Bucks down too.

I don't think the Raps will come back either, but they earned that one - it's not like the Bucks let it slip away - unless once considers a team that whose only lead was 2-0  'letting it slip away'.   :lol

both teams played great defense in game 3, but I'm not sure even a great defense will limit the Bucks starters to 19-69 (28%) shooting every game. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: jammindude on May 20, 2019, 09:51:33 PM
The Blazers really played poorly in the 4th and OT.   They even held off the normal 3rd Quarter run that GSW is kinda famous for.   But they just ran out of gas. 

I'm still proud of Portland for making it this far.     I have to admire the dynasty in GS, but this is the part I hate about any dynasty in any sport.   It starts to feel like no one else has a shot.   But I'm happy for the hometown fans.   
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: Azyiu on May 20, 2019, 09:54:54 PM
I have to say, double triple-doubles by Curry and Green; and without both KD, Cousins and AI? That was an impressive series closing win!!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: Azyiu on May 20, 2019, 10:03:25 PM
Now the new questions are, will KD, Cousins and AI be ready for the Finals? And how effective will they be?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: Lonk on May 21, 2019, 08:02:18 AM
There are some people (Stephen A smith :facepalm:) who say the Bucks will beat the warriors if KD does not play.

I'm honestly more interested in Free Agency than I am about the finals since we all know the warriors are completing the 3-peat.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: bosk1 on May 21, 2019, 08:20:00 AM
Not trying to gloat (seriously, I'm not!), but I loved this series.  My biggest complaint about the Warriors is that they can seem so complacent and do not play like they are capable of playing.  This series, down two starters (and then Iguodala going down as well), they had to eliminate the distractions and show who they are and how they play, and they did.  And they placed disciplined and eliminated the excessive fouls, the techs, the whining to the refs, and the bad stuff that you didn't see on this team the first two years of their run.  I'm really glad to see THIS version of the team back.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: Samsara on May 21, 2019, 08:41:55 AM
Not trying to gloat (seriously, I'm not!), but I loved this series.  My biggest complaint about the Warriors is that they can seem so complacent and do not play like they are capable of playing.  This series, down two starters (and then Iguodala going down as well), they had to eliminate the distractions and show who they are and how they play, and they did.  And they placed disciplined and eliminated the excessive fouls, the techs, the whining to the refs, and the bad stuff that you didn't see on this team the first two years of their run. I'm really glad to see THIS version of the team back.

You'll be seeing it a lot more after this season.  :lol

In all seriousness though, the Warriors have been impressive ever since KD went down. Sure, they let the Blazers hold a lead, but it was more like the Warriors were conserving for the big runs. And that's what the iconic championship teams do. It's been nice to see Steph Curry being forced to be himself, instead of standing around watching Durant. And Steph's numbers show it. In addition, while Thompson is always solid, Draymond Green has elevated his game in a HUGE way without Durant. Again, now he's not standing around, the offense operates through him, instead of KD, and the tempo is higher. Lock down defense. Just an all around excellent job by DG. And you thought I'd never compliment the guy, bosk.  :lol

DG said all the right things about KD and Boogie Cousins last night after the game, like how they needed them both, etc. But frankly, the team operates much better without them. It forces Steph to be active, and they re-route everything to run through DG, which allows him the creative freedom he needs to maximize his skills. Honestly, I think they offer a max deal to Thompson and let KD walk. Particularly if they win the title (whether KD plays or not in the Finals). Great work by Golden State.

Go Milwaukee!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: KevShmev on May 21, 2019, 09:25:28 AM
DG said all the right things about KD and Boogie Cousins last night after the game, like how they needed them both, etc. But frankly, the team operates much better without them. It forces Steph to be active, and they re-route everything to run through DG, which allows him the creative freedom he needs to maximize his skills. Honestly, I think they offer a max deal to Thompson and let KD walk. Particularly if they win the title (whether KD plays or not in the Finals). Great work by Golden State.

I almost feel bad for Kevin Durant.  Some already question how difficult it was to get his rings (jumping to a 73-win team that had already won a title), and now they are kicking ass in the playoffs without him.  And if he does not play and they still win the finals without him, it will be a serious dent in his legacy.

Like I said, I almost feel bad for Durant...almost.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: Samsara on May 21, 2019, 09:35:58 AM
DG said all the right things about KD and Boogie Cousins last night after the game, like how they needed them both, etc. But frankly, the team operates much better without them. It forces Steph to be active, and they re-route everything to run through DG, which allows him the creative freedom he needs to maximize his skills. Honestly, I think they offer a max deal to Thompson and let KD walk. Particularly if they win the title (whether KD plays or not in the Finals). Great work by Golden State.

I almost feel bad for Kevin Durant.  Some already question how difficult it was to get his rings (jumping to a 73-win team that had already won a title), and now they are kicking ass in the playoffs without him.  And if he does not play and they still win the finals without him, it will be a serious dent in his legacy.

Like I said, I almost feel bad for Durant...almost.

It's interesting, and shows more why I feel he needs to leave Golden State to really leave his mark (re: legacy). He got his rings. Now earn one when you have to build it up, instead of joining something that was already established.

My one concern (if I was a GS fan) is the age of the core. Steph (31), Klay (29) and Green (29) are not "young." They aren't old, either. But they have played SO many playoff games, they've played, generally another 2 NBA seasons. That's a lot of games logged on those bodies. If you give Klay and Green max deals, you're paying for past performance. They need to find a way to develop younger talent that can take over in the next few years. But because of the salaries, they probably won't be able to. Steph in particular, has taken a beating, and he's the eldest of the three. From the GS perspective, they need to find some hidden gems in the draft, and make an effort to sign some young talent, perhaps sacrificing some wins in order to do it.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: bosk1 on May 21, 2019, 09:41:15 AM
DG said all the right things about KD and Boogie Cousins last night after the game, like how they needed them both, etc. But frankly, the team operates much better without them. It forces Steph to be active, and they re-route everything to run through DG, which allows him the creative freedom he needs to maximize his skills. Honestly, I think they offer a max deal to Thompson and let KD walk. Particularly if they win the title (whether KD plays or not in the Finals). Great work by Golden State.

I almost feel bad for Kevin Durant.  Some already question how difficult it was to get his rings (jumping to a 73-win team that had already won a title), and now they are kicking ass in the playoffs without him.  And if he does not play and they still win the finals without him, it will be a serious dent in his legacy.

Like I said, I almost feel bad for Durant...almost.

I don't.  I think people worry too much about "legacy."  Just play the game. 

I just want them to win another championship this year and complete the 3-peat.  It has been great to see them rise up and dominate with him going out.  I think that has been a HUGE lift to this team moving forward, whether that be with KD or without him.  I hope he comes back and plays well in the finals.  But if he doesn't and they still win, that's okay too.

I'm just kind of tired of the narrative about whether or not he is leaving.  He contributes to that somewhat by the way he has structured his contract extensions and his silence.  But most of it is not on him, and is media just trying to create a story.  If he stays, that will be great.  If he goes, that's fine too.  As far as on court skills, you can't replace someone like Durant.  But on the other hand, they are financially healthier without him and will no doubt continue to pick up free agents along the way to bolster the roster.

If he goes, I think the fans will be upset and a lot will turn their backs on him.  It might not be fair, but I think a lot of fans will hold the negativity around whether he is staying or leaving against him if it turns out that he is really going.  If he stays another year, I think he will have a lot more support from the local fan base, even if he leaves after that. 
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Post by: KevShmev on May 21, 2019, 09:42:10 AM


It's interesting, and shows more why I feel he needs to leave Golden State to really leave his mark (re: legacy). He got his rings. Now earn one when you have to build it up, instead of joining something that was already established.

My one concern (if I was a GS fan) is the age of the core. Steph (31), Klay (29) and Green (29) are not "young." They aren't old, either. But they have played SO many playoff games, they've played, generally another 2 NBA seasons. That's a lot of games logged on those bodies. If you give Klay and Green max deals, you're paying for past performance. They need to find a way to develop younger talent that can take over in the next few years. But because of the salaries, they probably won't be able to. Steph in particular, has taken a beating, and he's the eldest of the three. From the GS perspective, they need to find some hidden gems in the draft, and make an effort to sign some young talent, perhaps sacrificing some wins in order to do it.

Agreed, regarding Durant. While the situations were very different, some never gave LeBron James full props until he went back to Cleveland and won a ring, and the same will apply to Durant.  He needs to go elsewhere and win.

As for the Warriors, it's kinda unfortunate, because while they are about to do something that even Jordan's Bulls and the Lakers with Magic and Kareem never did: win 4 titles in 5 seasons, yet I doubt they will be as revered over time as those dynasties, because of the Durant factor.  They likely could have been a dynasty without Durant (although it is hard to say if they beat the Cavs both of the last two years after going 1-1 without them in the finals pre-Durant), but the widely-held perception is that they stacked their team to a point that no team has a realistic shot to beat them 4 out of 7, although Houston came close last year.  The legacy of Steph Curry won't quite be the same either.
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Post by: KevShmev on May 21, 2019, 09:45:32 AM

I don't.  I think people worry too much about "legacy."  Just play the game. 


I think players care more about legacy more than most will admit.

I think LeBron James knew what it would mean to his legacy to go back and win a ring in Cleveland (which was dog shit w/o him and dog shit again w/o him).

And I think Durant knows what a ring elsewhere would mean, and given what a sensitive guy he has shown himself to be (which is not meant to be a negative), I think he will leave to try and get that ring with a team that is truly his.  Even with those finals MVP's, everyone knows it is still Steph's team.
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Post by: Lonk on May 21, 2019, 09:57:23 AM
If we are talking about Legacy, I don't think Steph's legacy is affected because of Durant at all. He was already known to be a great shooter, they were people as early as 2011-12 predicting his MVP season. Curry might slow down in the next year or two, but he will be known as the (or one of) greatest shooters in NBA history. He won a championship without Durant, and even though AI got the finals MVP, we all know Curry was the main guy for that championship.

Durant on the other hand will go down as a great player and nothing more unless he shows he can get it done somewhere else. He can try to go back to OKC, he can go to the Knicks and try. But unless he wins somewhere else, he will be known as a great player that joined one of the greatest teams in NBA history.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: Samsara on May 21, 2019, 11:03:29 AM

I'm just kind of tired of the narrative about whether or not he is leaving.  He contributes to that somewhat by the way he has structured his contract extensions and his silence.  But most of it is not on him, and is media just trying to create a story.  If he stays, that will be great.  If he goes, that's fine too.  As far as on court skills, you can't replace someone like Durant.  But on the other hand, they are financially healthier without him and will no doubt continue to pick up free agents along the way to bolster the roster.

If he goes, I think the fans will be upset and a lot will turn their backs on him.  It might not be fair, but I think a lot of fans will hold the negativity around whether he is staying or leaving against him if it turns out that he is really going.  If he stays another year, I think he will have a lot more support from the local fan base, even if he leaves after that.

I am with you on being tired of the narrative, but the bold is not correct. It IS a story. Period. Because of what you mentioned -- how he very purposefully structured his contract so he could be a FA, and because he heightens the drama by refusing to talk about it. If he came out to the reporters and said this in the early part of the season, verbatim, a lot of the speculation would have subsided:

"I understand you all have a job to do when it comes to reporting on my athletic career. I'll be honest, I made sure I had my options open with my contract, because that was the smart thing to do with the cap opening up more. This is my passion, but its also my job, and I want to maximize what I can earn. It'd be stupid NOT to do it that way. I love playing here, and I love the success we've had. I do not want this to become a distraction to my teammates and the NBA. I am going to pour my soul into this season, and when the season is over, I'll be happy to talk to everyone about my future. But this season, right now, and for the next 82 games and playoffs, my focus is solely on the Golden State Warriors and helping get us another ring. Respect my request, and I'll be happy to answer any question you all put my way regarding the games and what we're doing. But let's leave the offseason to the offseason."

>>>But instead, Durant closed off, refused to talk really, and treated the media like a plague to be avoided. That's not how you do it. Durant, not the media, made the error. As a former journalist, and one who briefly covered some high profile athletes, its very easy to see how the players wish to control the narrative. They want all the control on what is said and what is not said. That's not how it works. However, if you build a rapport with the media, and are honest with them, most of the time, you can find a solid base to work from. But the more you hide, the more you become a story. Durant has handled it wrong. Plain and simple.

As for the fan base in Golden State, I don't think the fans are really going to care (overall) if he leaves. Yeah, there will be some butt-hurt for a bit, but they'll get over it. THe fact of the matter is, most of the GS fans consider Curry, Thompson, and Mouth Breather (my wife's nickname for Green) to the team. Durant was an import. An important import, but an import nevertheless. If he stays, he'll endear himself more to the fans. And maybe he'll transcend and be on the same level as Curry, Thompson, and Green with Bay Area fans. But if he leaves, they'll get over it.

>>>>Regarding Steph's legacy -- cemented without Durant. 100 percent. That guy is an icon (for better or worse) like Iverson, Kobe, Shaq, and Jordan. Steph changed the game with his shooting. His place in the game's history is completely secure and intact. His legacy is cemented.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: bosk1 on May 21, 2019, 11:29:19 AM
I don't really WANT to defend Durant, but a couple of things:

1.  Yes, it would be nice if he would have responded exactly like you said.  But the reality is that most guys don't do that.  Maybe they aren't articulate enough.  Maybe it isn't in their best interest to do that, for any number of reasons.  Maybe they just don't think it's anyone else's business.  And I don't think either the media or the fans have any right to demand that, no matter how much we want to know.  IMO, a player has every right to play their future and their finances close to the vest.  Of course, the corollary to that is that the fans thus have every right to feel however they want to feel about that (in other words, fair or not, there are consequences to such an approach). 

2.  You're description of Durant's response is not really accurate.  He had given a more substantive response to the media that is very much along the lines of what you said he should say.  He said essentially what you said.  And after he said that, when reporters continued to prod and demand more, that is when he shut down.  I'm not defending everything he has said and done, but it's not quite right to say that he just clammed up and refused to talk to them.


Regarding Steph's legacy, I mostly agree with you.  But there can still be a tendency on the part of some to give him his due.  It isn't quite as prevalent now as it was 2-4 years ago, but you saw a lot of players and fans then who didn't understand his style of play, were resentful because he was so different in how he played (and thus perceived as "not doing it right"), and too quick to look for reasons why he wasn't as good as the players you mentioned.  There still is some of that.  It has dissipated quite a bit.  But there are some that still hold to that.  But I think what has helped is just the sustained winning and sustained excellence, and him coming alive these playoffs has been a big help in that overall perception, I think.  I really hope he can continue to perform at this level and grab a finals MVP, because I think that would also be a huge boost in that regard as well.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 21, 2019, 11:45:08 AM
Curry is an icon - with or without KD.  Can anyone argue it wasn't the one responsible for making the 3-point shot a mandatory requirement for success?  Wins and losses often hinge on a teams 3-point %.  It's absolutely a difference maker.

I wouldn't put him on par with Jordan (he's in class of his own imo).  But I'll put him up there with Kobe/Shaq for sure.
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Post by: Samsara on May 21, 2019, 01:42:21 PM
I don't really WANT to defend Durant, but a couple of things:

1.  Yes, it would be nice if he would have responded exactly like you said.  But the reality is that most guys don't do that.  Maybe they aren't articulate enough.  Maybe it isn't in their best interest to do that, for any number of reasons.  Maybe they just don't think it's anyone else's business.  And I don't think either the media or the fans have any right to demand that, no matter how much we want to know.  IMO, a player has every right to play their future and their finances close to the vest.  Of course, the corollary to that is that the fans thus have every right to feel however they want to feel about that (in other words, fair or not, there are consequences to such an approach). 

The sports media's job is to ask questions of the athletes and report on topics of interest. Players, by contract (and it is in their contracts) are to be made available to the media. In every professional sports contract I have ever seen (and I have signed my own, albeit its not an NBA one), there is always a clause about media availability. The players have made that whole relationship adversarial, because in this day and age, they want control over what is said about them, at all times. The mature ones understand that's simply not possible, and do their best to be engaging. The bad ones, like Westbrook and Durant, come off as prima donnas, whiners, and overall, like big babies who can't have their way, so they act like spoiled brats. Durant is an incredible athlete. From everything I hear, he's also an incredible person and does a lot for various communities, but doesn't want attention for it. I TOTALLY get that. But when it comes to his basketball career, he does himself ZERO favors acting like he does with reporters.

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2.  You're description of Durant's response is not really accurate.  He had given a more substantive response to the media that is very much along the lines of what you said he should say.  He said essentially what you said.  And after he said that, when reporters continued to prod and demand more, that is when he shut down.  I'm not defending everything he has said and done, but it's not quite right to say that he just clammed up and refused to talk to them.

Link? Because no, he did not say that. He clammed up the moment he was asked about it after the end of LAST year. And got bitchy about it. He in no way did as you describe. If you're spot-on, I stand corrected, but I don't recall him doing that at all, and I very much pay attention to all of that (one, because I'm a hoops junkie, and two, because I used to be a member of the media, so I try and make sure I catch big story lines, and how athletes are questioned).

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Regarding Steph's legacy, I mostly agree with you.  But there can still be a tendency on the part of some to give him his due.  It isn't quite as prevalent now as it was 2-4 years ago, but you saw a lot of players and fans then who didn't understand his style of play, were resentful because he was so different in how he played (and thus perceived as "not doing it right"), and too quick to look for reasons why he wasn't as good as the players you mentioned.  There still is some of that.  It has dissipated quite a bit.  But there are some that still hold to that.  But I think what has helped is just the sustained winning and sustained excellence, and him coming alive these playoffs has been a big help in that overall perception, I think.  I really hope he can continue to perform at this level and grab a finals MVP, because I think that would also be a huge boost in that regard as well.

I think you meant "NOT" give him his due in the second sentence. And I agree with you on all of it. I think the holdouts are people very much stuck in that "Steph couldn't play in the 80s and 90s" mentality. Simply put, while I get those that feel that way, I do not agree at all that Steph should be judged because he plays the game in this era. The man transcends eras. He can shoot from anywhere on the court. He's a better pure shooter than anyone in NBA history, and that includes Bird and Reggie Miller. Sure, because the game is more open now, the records will all be Steph's. But they'd be his anyway.

I mean sure, back in the day, when they allowed hand-checking and actual defense, Steph would be beat up a little more. But his old man, Dell Curry, who DID play in the 80s and 90s, and was a great shooter in his own right, is only ONE inch taller, and they both weigh exactly the same. And Dell lit up defenses back then. So, to me, Steph's style of play transcends. I may not like the Warriors, but to deny Steph Curry's greatness as an NBA icon is foolhardy. On that, we can agree. LOL.

Curry is an icon - with or without KD.  Can anyone argue it wasn't the one responsible for making the 3-point shot a mandatory requirement for success?  Wins and losses often hinge on a teams 3-point %.  It's absolutely a difference maker.

I wouldn't put him on par with Jordan (he's in class of his own imo).  But I'll put him up there with Kobe/Shaq for sure.

I hear ya. I mean, Jordan...Jordan was the right guy, at the right time. HIs legend was built on his talent, obviously, and his athletic ability to soar, but also because of the advertising boom of the 80s that really took off with him. He was really the first one (and Dr. J and Magic to a lesser degree, but only because they came before Jordan) to really capture and use that advertising as a launch point for his own brand. He paved the way for everyone who did that after him. Will Curry reach those heights? Perhaps. But it'll be based less on basketball, and more on image and brand. Look at Iverson. He's the guy most NBA dudes remember. Why? Because he brought something entirely different to the NBA. Street culture. Tats, all that stuff. The culture of ISO play and one-on-one dominance. I could make a good argument that Iverson is more of an NBA Icon than Kobe or Shaq. Not that I think that personally, but I could make a damn compelling argument. Steph's icon status in the league is secure. Whether it gets up to the level of Jordan remains to be seen. I don't think it will, but he certainly has impacted the league very much in the same way Jordan and Iverson have.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: T-ski on May 21, 2019, 02:53:35 PM
Steph Curry should have been a Buck......

.....but they traded for Monta Ellis instead because they didn't think Curry's ankles were going to hold up.  :-[

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: bosk1 on May 21, 2019, 03:17:06 PM
The sports media's job is to ask questions of the athletes and report on topics of interest. Players, by contract (and it is in their contracts) are to be made available to the media. In every professional sports contract I have ever seen (and I have signed my own, albeit its not an NBA one), there is always a clause about media availability.

Yes, that's all true.  But whether it is the media's job or not, a lot of reporters cross the line and get into things that are none of their business, ask stupid questions, and/or repeat #1 and #2 long after either the answer is already out there or the player has already said he doesn't want to answer it.  Which is also why you have some, like a certain incredibly well-respected coach of the Spurs, who also has such a clause and is expected to be a primary media conduit for his team, who also regularly refuses to answer question and can be a jerk to media at times.  My point simply is, whether it is a reporter's job or not isn't really the point in this. 

The players have made that whole relationship adversarial, because in this day and age, they want control over what is said about them, at all times.

Very true.  But, again, I put the adversarial nature of that relationship just as squarely on the shoulders of the media as well.  The responsibility for that does NOT reside only on one side, in my opinion.

The bad ones, like Westbrook and Durant, come off as prima donnas, whiners, and overall, like big babies who can't have their way, so they act like spoiled brats.

Well, this is where I DO feel it necessary to defend Durant somewhat.  I'll give you that he does come across that way sometimes.  But for every interview where he does, there are 10 where he doesn't.  I'm not absolving him of anything.  But to put him in the same class as, say, Westbrook, or (switching sports) Marshawn Lynch, is unfair.

Link? Because no, he did not say that. He clammed up the moment he was asked about it after the end of LAST year. And got bitchy about it. He in no way did as you describe. If you're spot-on, I stand corrected, but I don't recall him doing that at all...

OK, I'm going to backpedal just a bit because I'm not sure of the timing.  You may be right that he initially clammed up, then opened up a bit, and then clammed up again.  In fact, I think I do remember that being the case now that I think about it.  But, yes, he did say essentially what you had described above.  I VERY distinctly remember hearing sound of it on KNBR (which I listen to during the NBA and NFL seasons).  I couldn't tell you who was interviewing him or where the sound came from.  But I do distinctly remember it--that I'm certain of. 

In any case, my goal was just to set the record straight on a few of the particulars.  Ultimately, we just disagree on the role of the media in these types of things and how much license that gives a player to avoid some types of questions.  We probably aren't THAT far apart.  But at the end of the day, it's just one of those things that we don't see eye to eye on.

I think you meant "NOT" give him his due in the second sentence.

And I agree with you on all of it. I think the holdouts are people very much stuck in that "Steph couldn't play in the 80s and 90s" mentality. Simply put, while I get those that feel that way, I do not agree at all that Steph should be judged because he plays the game in this era. The man transcends eras. He can shoot from anywhere on the court. He's a better pure shooter than anyone in NBA history, and that includes Bird and Reggie Miller.

Correct, yes!  I meant "not."  :)  It's funny that I don't really ever hear many dispute that he's the best pure shooter.  (maybe he is; maybe he's just "top X"--I don't know)  But what you used to hear a lot more than you do now is, "well, he may be the best pure shooter, BUT..."  As in, but that's all he can do.  They didn't see/acknowledge how he cuts, sets screens, comes off screens, and does all the things he does to CREATE a lot of those shots.  They didn't acknowledge how slippery and cunning he is at getting to the rim for layups, and how crafty he is about getting the shot to the rim even when well defended.  They didn't acknowledge that, while he may not be truly "elite" as a defender like Thompson or Green, he's still excellent in that department.  But, yeah, that's starting to change.  I'd still like to see him get a finals MVP.  I think it would be a nice feather in his cap, and an acknowledgement of all he does.
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Post by: bosk1 on May 21, 2019, 08:51:11 PM
Wow.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 22, 2019, 03:42:09 AM
Great win by the Raps. And huge effort from the bench. If only they could've held on thing Game 1. I'm quite pleasantly surprised at these last two games. Everyone is clicking, and not just leaving it on Leonard.

Likely to be a different story as an away game though. And Leonard's leg worries me.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 22, 2019, 07:03:07 AM
I'm so proud of the Raps. I don't know that they will win the series - because Kawhi is not 100% and the Bucks have home-court advantage - but this is by far and away the best team we've ever had.

Regarding all the legacy talk, I think that Durant's situation illustrates how flawed the conventional perception of what "legacy" is. Generally, the formula for legacy has been something like: Championships + MVPs + All-Star Games. As the totals get higher, the legacy grows. But as great as Durant has been, it is clear that the Warriors success hinges upon so much more than just him. I heard someone describe him as an "insurance policy", which is way harsh, but not entirely untrue. The bottom line is that I would love to see sports media approach "legacies" in a new way, because the conventional way is clearly lackluster. But that probably won't happen because... you know... ratings and stuff.
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Post by: T-ski on May 22, 2019, 07:04:25 AM
I have watched 95% of the Bucks games this season and do not recognize the team that has played the last two games.  I'm sure a lot has to do with Toronto, but I still feel Milwaukee is doing a lot to themselves.

Not going to lie, I'm nervous.
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Post by: Samsara on May 22, 2019, 08:24:41 AM
I have watched 95% of the Bucks games this season and do not recognize the team that has played the last two games.  I'm sure a lot has to do with Toronto, but I still feel Milwaukee is doing a lot to themselves.

Not going to lie, I'm nervous.

The intensity of the Raptors has picked up incredibly well. They aren't allowing Giannis to dominate offensively, which is forcing others to step up, and other than Middleton, it hasn't been consistent. They keep closing the lanes that Giannis typically accelerates through, forcing him to kick the ball out (which is the right play). But as I said, other than Middleton, other guys haven't been able to capitalize, and that's killing the Bucks. This is where Coach Bud needs to earn his salary. Nick Nurse tweaked things to adjust, now Bud needs to find a way to get The Freak free. It's compounded because Giannis doesn't have reliable shooting range.

If it were me, I'd start posting Giannis up, every possession. Take advantage of his size. Pound it, and then have the other four guys be spacers that can shoot. See what happens. If they come to double, then there's no one better on Milwaukee's team than Giannis in finding the open man. But I'd go to the post and pound it with him until they stop it, and see if that disrupts what they are doing defensively. Because it seems to me, Toronto just has re-committed to not allowing Giannis the space to glide through. So put his back to the basket, and pound it.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 22, 2019, 10:24:01 AM
Only the 2nd time all year the Bucks lost back-to-back games.  A small part of me is hoping they pull a 'Raptors' playoff job, and let it slip away when they are the better team.  Last year the Raps dominated in the regular season (including Cleveland), then shriveled up.  Fingers crossed that the same fate awaits Milwaukee. 
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Post by: Samsara on May 22, 2019, 12:50:37 PM
From a purely NBA fan perspective though, the Raptors have absolutely no chance in hell of beating the Warriors. I'd bet on a Warriors sweep if they played the Raptors. The Raps just aren't deep enough. Milwaukee, if firing on all cylinders, would at least push it to probably six games and make the Ws sweat a little.
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 22, 2019, 12:55:40 PM
From a purely NBA fan perspective though, the Raptors have absolutely no chance in hell of beating the Warriors. I'd bet on a Warriors sweep if they played the Raptors. The Raps just aren't deep enough. Milwaukee, if firing on all cylinders, would at least push it to probably six games and make the Ws sweat a little.

Hard to argue that.  They have an 8-man rotation, and 2 of those bench players (VanFleet and Powell) haven't shown ANY consistency.  The next 5 are only getting garbage minutes, and frankly... only wearing a uniform because the Raps depleted their depth to get Gasol, and then had to free up salary.  If they had OG Anunoby, it'd at least be a 9-man team.  But even if he does come back, hard to ask him to do much after not playing for 6+ weeks.

I'm surprised they're getting/giving a 2nd wind with the Bucks to be honest.
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Post by: Samsara on May 22, 2019, 01:00:43 PM
Speaking of depth, I had totally forgotten Jeremy Lin was on the Raptors until I saw him cheerleading the other night on the bench.  :lol Dude, go with Linsanity. You never know!
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 22, 2019, 03:17:00 PM
You know the bench is a problem when Linsanity is #9/#8 on the depth chart.
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Post by: Azyiu on May 22, 2019, 07:34:04 PM
You know the bench is a problem when Linsanity is #9/#8 on the depth chart.

Or is that a sign of bad coaching? Don't get me wrong, I like Nick Nurse so far, but I am slightly shocked Lin gets virtually no minutes all season long. Ok, he ain't the same Linsanity, but he ain't a washed up bench warmer either. His passing, ball-handling and shooting is another weapon they need... after all, I don't think they play any impressive D aside from Leonard and Ibaka anyway.  :justjen
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 22, 2019, 08:17:12 PM
You know the bench is a problem when Linsanity is #9/#8 on the depth chart.

Or is that a sign of bad coaching? Don't get me wrong, I like Nick Nurse so far, but I am slightly shocked Lin gets virtually no minutes all season long. Ok, he ain't the same Linsanity, but he ain't a washed up bench warmer either. His passing, ball-handling and shooting is another weapon they need... after all, I don't think they play any impressive D aside from Leonard and Ibaka anyway.  :justjen

Really???  Gasol has been top shelf.  Lowry has been all-star quality defender too.  Green/Siakim are no slouches either.

As for Lin... yeah, he most certainly is a washed up bench warmer.  His offense was bad ... consistently - I think he had like 2 or 3 decent games.  His ability to run the floor wasn't impressive, and his defense was adequate.  He earned his #9 depth spot.
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Post by: Azyiu on May 22, 2019, 08:25:48 PM
Really???  Gasol has been top shelf.  Lowry has been all-star quality defender too.  Green/Siakim are no slouches either.

As for Lin... yeah, he most certainly is a washed up bench warmer.  His offense was bad ... consistently - I think he had like 2 or 3 decent games.  His ability to run the floor wasn't impressive, and his defense was adequate.  He earned his #9 depth spot.

Gasol only came off life support since game 3... until then he didn't play like himself most of the playoffs. Averaging just 9 pts and 6 rebounds in the playoffs, he only scored in double figures 3 times in 14 playoffs games until game 3. He was averaging almost 16pts and 9 rpg until the playoffs.

As for Siakim, sure, he has been impressive, I will give you that.  :hat
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 22, 2019, 08:38:21 PM
Oh, I was all over the shit-on-Gasol's-offense bandwagon.  His offense was beyond terrible... I was referring to his defense as 'top-shelf'
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Post by: Azyiu on May 22, 2019, 09:11:54 PM
Oh, I was all over the shit-on-Gasol's-offense bandwagon.  His offense was beyond terrible... I was referring to his defense as 'top-shelf'

First of all, I love Marc Gasol. I was actually overjoyed when he got traded to the Raptors (I am a life-long Lakers fan, but somehow the Raptors have a special place in my heart)... yet fact is he hasn't played well at all in these playoffs. 6.4rpg and 1.4 bpg ain't that impressive... in fact, if not for his amazing 5 blocks effort in game 3, he would have averaged barely just 1 bpg. I don't know if it is match ups, or his age finally catches up with him or what? It looks to me, at times, he was aging before my eyes.

All in all, I am more concerned about Leonard's leg issue. If he is not at least an 80%, the Raptors have no shot at winning the series. He didn't look explosive in game 4 at all.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: Samsara on May 23, 2019, 08:48:27 AM
Gasol and Lowry are still quality defenders...in half-court. They are not as good when the pace is higher and in transition -- which is when the Bucks are most dangerous. That's the issue, defensively. Lowry and Gasol are getting old. And to be brutally honest, I think the age of the team is the main reason why Leonard is going to leave. I hope I'm wrong, as I like players staying with a team and committing, and the Raptors have a rabid fan base that has embraced him. But they really need to get younger and more athletic, otherwise if Leonard stays, he'll waste the remainder of his career. Trust me, my team has the same problem with Karl-Anthony Towns. We need to surround him with young, athletic shooters and defensive players.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: jingle.boy on May 23, 2019, 09:21:05 AM
Agree on all those points Brian.

@ Azyiu... the rpg and bpg stats don't tell the whole picture with Gasol's defense.  Against the 76rs, he nullified Embiid (for the most part).  And (other than game 2), he has been a key piece to shut down the Buck's attack around the rim.  Giannis' points and % under 4 feet is down, and given that he's a mediocre shooter from beyond 4 feet (sub 40%), that's been the formula to stopping they Bucks' attack.  Plus, the rest of the team isn't picking him up with consistent perimeter shooting - though I do think the Raps switching defense plays a small role there.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: Samsara on May 23, 2019, 09:32:50 AM
Agree on all those points Brian.


The Raptors are well run by Masai and his crew. I am sure they have an entire plan in place already that likely includes shipping off some of the older players for draft picks, and overall, a way to get younger and better, quickly. Masai is too smart not to have that in place. And it starts with trading Lowry, who has upped his value with his play this series after a subpar regular season. But its going to be a tough sell, when the Clippers come calling, along with the Knicks. Neither team is as successful as the Raptors, but they both have a lot more young potential. I wouldn't sleep on the Nets either. Not with Leonard's uncle/confidant being a NY/NJ guy.

I give the Raps credit for taking a chance and going all-in on Kawhi. Obviously, it has worked in the short term. But if he bolts, the rebuild is going to be painful. They'll be in contention for the worst record in the league (because I assume if Kawhi leaves, Masai and Webster will trade anyone of value for picks and younger talent).

So much intrigue and drama this offseason throughout the league, and the offseason hasn't even started yet. The whole month of July is going to be crazy.  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: jingle.boy on May 23, 2019, 09:38:45 AM
Let's assume Leonard bolts.  I'll bet that they don't rebuild until mid/end of next year - ESPECIALLY if they make it to the finals or (slim chance) win it all.  They aren't going to want to give this city a (virtually) first-to-worst situation over the summer.  But yeah... they'll be bottom feeders for a few seasons if all they have to build around is Siakim and VanFleet.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: Lonk on May 23, 2019, 09:01:34 PM
And just like that the raptors win 3 straight and are up 3-2.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: Azyiu on May 23, 2019, 09:04:42 PM
Could it be? Would it be? Would this year's Finals be played outside of US soil for the first time ever?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: T-ski on May 23, 2019, 09:20:40 PM
its been 5 games and the Bucks can't figure out how to play in the half court against this defense.

Fred Van Vleet....really?

Bucks are playing tight and with less confidence.  I'm not ready for our miracle season to end.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: jingle.boy on May 23, 2019, 09:34:19 PM
Only the 2nd time all year the Bucks lost back-to-back games.  A small part of me is hoping they pull a 'Raptors' playoff job, and let it slip away when they are the better team. Last year the Raps dominated in the regular season (including Cleveland), then shriveled up.  Fingers crossed that the same fate awaits Milwaukee. 

Fingers are still heavily crossed, and I'm praying the Bucks have the yips.  Hard to believe the Bucks could lose 4-straight, but that's the only way the Raptors move on.  If the dear can comeback and recover to win on Satureday, zero chance they lose a Game 7 on home court.

This game was  exciting as hell.  Most entertaining game of the series that didn't go into double OT.  Two very questionable calls by the refs that ended up nullifying each other (the charge that Gasol should've drawn that ended up being a 3-point play - I think it was around the 91 point mark... maybe tied the game), and then the non-foul on Lowry with 16 seconds to go that allowed him to get the ball to Siakim for the game-sealing dunk to go up 5.

Leonard's leg seemed to hold up just fine.  #phew

Why is it that coach Bud always looks like he's trying to figure out who just farted?  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: Lonk on May 24, 2019, 06:54:37 AM
Why is it that coach Bud always looks like he's trying to figure out who just farted?  :lol

(https://media.giphy.com/media/xUPGcxn6BjPpsgxrTa/source.mov)

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Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 24, 2019, 07:25:24 AM
Win or lose, I am incredibly proud of my Raps. Lots of guys are playing banged up, but they are fighting through it and not complaining. The team's defense is absolutely insane. Milwaukee can definitely still win it, but as a Toronto fan, I know that we will at least make it tough on them.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: Azyiu on May 24, 2019, 07:48:26 AM
Yep, the Raptors finally played D like they are the #2 team in the east the last couple of games. I really don't care who wins the east, but it would be neat to see Toronto in the Finals... even though I know they would get killed by the Dubs with or without KD
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: T-ski on May 24, 2019, 08:04:03 AM
its really hard to fathom the Bucks going down in four straight games.

also, I'm not one to harp on the refs but ya.....

Raps are 15-0 in the last 15 games Tony Brothers was a ref in their game.
Raps were +13 in free throw attempts despite being -12 in shots in the paint.
2nd half foul calls....16 on Milwaukee, 8 on Toronto.

so much for the old adage the teams that attack the paint get rewarded with free throws.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: jingle.boy on May 24, 2019, 08:35:41 AM
its really hard to fathom the Bucks going down in four straight games.

also, I'm not one to harp on the refs but ya.....

Raps are 15-0 in the last 15 games Tony Brothers was a ref in their game.
Raps were +13 in free throw attempts despite being -12 in shots in the paint.
2nd half foul calls....16 on Milwaukee, 8 on Toronto.

so much for the old adage the teams that attack the paint get rewarded with free throws.

The only one that seems worthy of a :orly: is the middle one.  I'm sure you could find a ref with a significant record on any team.  And the Raps have been on the other end of disproportionate foul calls... they were routinely out-whistled against the 76rs.

I'll say the same thing here as I did in the NHL thread - great teams overcome their obstacles, not blame their circumstances on them.  None of that will matter if the Bucks can win the next 2.

Plus, doesn't matter how many times you get to the charity stripe when you can't consistently drop the shots.   :biggrin:

The eye-test for me didn't think there were a LOT of blown calls.  Two significant ones (as I mentioned above) that ended up nullifying one another.  Otherwise, I didn't see a lot of complaining on either side.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada is better at basketball than hockey
Post by: jingle.boy on May 24, 2019, 08:40:59 AM
@ Kev... good effort in trying to troll me  :biggrin:

Because I know that you know the Blues have 19 Canadian born players; Berube is Canadian, as is Doug Armstrong.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: T-ski on May 24, 2019, 08:51:54 AM
its really hard to fathom the Bucks going down in four straight games.

also, I'm not one to harp on the refs but ya.....

Raps are 15-0 in the last 15 games Tony Brothers was a ref in their game.
Raps were +13 in free throw attempts despite being -12 in shots in the paint.
2nd half foul calls....16 on Milwaukee, 8 on Toronto.

so much for the old adage the teams that attack the paint get rewarded with free throws.

The only one that seems worthy of a :orly: is the middle one.  I'm sure you could find a ref with a significant record on any team.  And the Raps have been on the other end of disproportionate foul calls... they were routinely out-whistled against the 76rs.

I'll say the same thing here as I did in the NHL thread - great teams overcome their obstacles, not blame their circumstances on them.  None of that will matter if the Bucks can win the next 2.

Plus, doesn't matter how many times you get to the charity stripe when you can't consistently drop the shots.   :biggrin:

The eye-test for me didn't think there were a LOT of blown calls.  Two significant ones (as I mentioned above) that ended up nullifying one another.  Otherwise, I didn't see a lot of complaining on either side.

tell me which team was Philly and which one was Toronto.....

FT shooting 138-171 and 137-169

ETA: game 5 of MIL/TOR was the most disproportional FT disparity in the series.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada is better at basketball than hockey
Post by: KevShmev on May 24, 2019, 09:00:43 AM
@ Kev... good effort in trying to troll me  :biggrin:

Because I know that you know the Blues have 19 Canadian born players; Berube is Canadian, as is Doug Armstrong.

I was going for humor more than trolling, honestly.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: jingle.boy on May 24, 2019, 09:21:31 AM
tell me which team was Philly and which one was Toronto.....

FT shooting 138-171 and 137-169

Fair enough... I was a little overzealous is saying they were "routinely out-whistled". But in Game 2, 76rs had 26 trips to the FT line; Raps 15; Game 7 it was 30-19.  Raps only lopsided game 'for' them was Game 5 blowout where it was 33-20.

ETA: game 5 of MIL/TOR was the most disproportional FT disparity in the series.

And yet even with that disparity last night, the Bucks are still +10 on FTA.  :biggrin:

@ Kev... I was trying for humour too, and being entirely facetious.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada is better at basketball than hockey
Post by: Samsara on May 24, 2019, 11:46:29 AM
Watching the entire game last night, the problem is really obvious.

Giannis' teammates lack of trust in him.

The guy is a world class talent, but he is not confident at all in his jumper. Or, let me rephrase -- his TEAMMATES are not confident at all in his jumper. Giannis would pass it in, and he'd never see it again, because his teammates wanted to shoot. Example. In the 4th, I forget what minute, but it was a key part of the game, the defender backed off Giannis, and he hit a 3 from straight on. Once that happened, the defense couldn't sag off him. But instead of going back to Giannis, who with his passing, and now some respect from the defense on the perimeter, the Bucks players just stayed away from Giannis and tried to do it themselves. HUGE, HUGE bonehead move.

If Coach Bud is smart, there will be a concerted effort to establish Giannis from the start, both inside an out. But Giannis will have to show patience, and his teammates will have to trust him. If they play the way they did last night on Saturday night, the Raptors are going to the Finals.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada is better at basketball than hockey
Post by: T-ski on May 24, 2019, 02:10:18 PM
Watching the entire game last night, the problem is really obvious.

Giannis' teammates lack of trust in him.

The guy is a world class talent, but he is not confident at all in his jumper. Or, let me rephrase -- his TEAMMATES are not confident at all in his jumper. Giannis would pass it in, and he'd never see it again, because his teammates wanted to shoot. Example. In the 4th, I forget what minute, but it was a key part of the game, the defender backed off Giannis, and he hit a 3 from straight on. Once that happened, the defense couldn't sag off him. But instead of going back to Giannis, who with his passing, and now some respect from the defense on the perimeter, the Bucks players just stayed away from Giannis and tried to do it themselves. HUGE, HUGE bonehead move.

If Coach Bud is smart, there will be a concerted effort to establish Giannis from the start, both inside an out. But Giannis will have to show patience, and his teammates will have to trust him. If they play the way they did last night on Saturday night, the Raptors are going to the Finals.

going to have to disagree,  the problem the Bucks have had this entire series is making three's/defending three's. As a team the Bucks are shooting under 32% from three, which is well under their season average, while Toronto is shooting closer to 37%.  I know you love Khris Middleton Samsara, but he is fools gold and has been absolute garbage in this series. Mirotic has been so bad he was benched last game.  Malcolm Brogdon is the only player I have confidence in making shots from the perimeter at the moment.  If the Bucks make their average 3pt % this series is over already.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Giannis beasting
Post by: KevShmev on May 24, 2019, 03:12:02 PM


@ Kev... I was trying for humour too, and being entirely facetious.

Haha, all good!

If the Raptors win this series, I am pretty sure most of the country will be rooting for them (even though they have little to no chance).
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors thriving with LeBron out of the East
Post by: Azyiu on May 25, 2019, 09:16:50 PM
O'Canada...

Wow!! The Raptors looked dead early in the 3rd qtr. What a come back! Congratulations, Toronto.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors thriving with LeBron out of the East
Post by: T-ski on May 25, 2019, 09:19:46 PM
congrats to the Raps.  never thought the Bucks would lose 4 in a row.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors thriving with LeBron out of the East
Post by: jingle.boy on May 26, 2019, 04:32:34 AM
congrats to the Raps.  never thought the Bucks would lose 4 in a row.

Me either.  Very similar story to what the Raps experienced last year - never lost more than 2-straight, and then got swept by LeBron.  Finally the shoe is on someone else's foot.  Bucks have got a very bright future ahead and will be the team to beat in the East for a few years, but the stars just seemed to align for Toronto this time.

Helluva exciting game again last night.  I didn't believe it when the announce team called it, but a 26-3 run over 7-ish minutes capped by that dunk on Giannis!?!!?  It wasn't until then that it felt like it could happen.  I honestly thought it was gonna be another game-2 scenario.  But wow... everyone stepped up (sans Green) on both sides of the court.  Gasol with a couple of big 3s; VanFleet playing hard on both ends, and Kawhi with a few HUGE rebounds in a game where they were being dominated on the glass.  This is a resilient team for sure.  Seemed like they did to the Bucks what the Warriors consistently do - get down, then storm back.  And the Raps did it two games in a row.

I ain't gonna count them out against the Warriors, but if they can defend like that against the Bucks, the Finals might be a more exciting series than most around here think.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors vs Warriors
Post by: Samsara on May 26, 2019, 09:20:07 AM
Congrats to the Raptors and their fans. A couple of observations from the game:

The Raptors showed a TON of heart. A TON of it. You could clearly see they wanted it more.

The Bucks had a great season, but Giannis is exposed. The Freak is going to be the best player in basketball in the next couple of years, but he has to get into the gym this summer and develop a reliable jumper and three-point shot.

But the more disturbing thing I saw, was Giannis deferring to lesser teammates. I get trying to get your teammates involved. But he should have been more aggressive in seeking to take over. Some of that was a credit to the Raptors' defense, but honestly, I think he was scared of the moment and not confident in his ability. That's concerning. If you look over at Kawhi, he got his teammates involved, but was ready and willing, and did take over. Giannis needs to take a lesson from The Claw, and come back with a jumper and that will to win. Hopefully, for his sake, this was a good learning experience.

Milwaukee got out-coached. Plain and simple.

Good luck to the Raptors against the Warriors. I am rooting for the Dinos to upset the Ws. I don't think it will happen, but I'm pulling for them.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors vs Warriors
Post by: T-ski on May 26, 2019, 09:48:04 AM
Congrats to the Raptors and their fans. A couple of observations from the game:

The Raptors showed a TON of heart. A TON of it. You could clearly see they wanted it more.

The Bucks had a great season, but Giannis is exposed. The Freak is going to be the best player in basketball in the next couple of years, but he has to get into the gym this summer and develop a reliable jumper and three-point shot.

But the more disturbing thing I saw, was Giannis deferring to lesser teammates. I get trying to get your teammates involved. But he should have been more aggressive in seeking to take over. Some of that was a credit to the Raptors' defense, but honestly, I think he was scared of the moment and not confident in his ability. That's concerning. If you look over at Kawhi, he got his teammates involved, but was ready and willing, and did take over. Giannis needs to take a lesson from The Claw, and come back with a jumper and that will to win. Hopefully, for his sake, this was a good learning experience.

Milwaukee got out-coached. Plain and simple.

Good luck to the Raptors against the Warriors. I am rooting for the Dinos to upset the Ws. I don't think it will happen, but I'm pulling for them.

it may surprise you to hear Giannis and Kawhi shot the same percentage from 3pt in the series.  I'll say it again, the difference in the series was TEAM 3pt shooting, the Bucks were under their season % from 3 while Toronto was above theirs.

this tweet sums it up beautifully...

Ben Taylor
@ElGee35
Most people still don’t intuit how close and how variable game outcomes are.
Merely 50% 3-pt shooting (!) from Fred Van Vleet essentially swings the series to MIL in 6. Remember that when you read sweeping narratives about these teams/players.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors vs Warriors
Post by: jingle.boy on May 26, 2019, 10:00:52 AM
To that point, I've no doubt that one could pick any number of a few dozen individual stats that "swing" the series in favor of one team over the other (if Danny Green shoots a MERE 50% from 3, then it's a couple of dominating wins to close the series).  These were 5 REALLY close games.  But on the aggregate, the Raps balanced themselves out on both sides of the ball - the Bucks did not.  So yes, there are (and for the Bucks - could be and should be) some sweeping narratives.  Blaming the result on the other team's over performance won't help any team; take responsibility for your own play and you know where to improve.  That's what the Raps did after the last 3 losses to the Cavs.

To the earlier point, I think in Game 5 and 6, Giannis did come thru with a few clutch 3s... and it did change how the Raps had to defend him.  But they were still able to defend him effectively and stop the team.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors vs Warriors
Post by: Azyiu on May 26, 2019, 08:37:26 PM
Cavs' Gilbert hospitalized with stroke symptoms http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2...troke-symptoms (http://"http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26828671/cavs-gilbert-hospitalized-stroke-symptoms")

LeBron's BFF is hospitalized...  :hat
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors vs Warriors
Post by: Samsara on May 27, 2019, 09:48:17 AM

it may surprise you to hear Giannis and Kawhi shot the same percentage from 3pt in the series.  I'll say it again, the difference in the series was TEAM 3pt shooting, the Bucks were under their season % from 3 while Toronto was above theirs.

I'll grant you that overall, it was team 3 point shooting. But I'm not just talking about 3s. I'm talking about a reliable jump shot. Giannis does not have one. He's not confident, with a guy running at him, to pull up and take a shot. Whereas Kawhi, is not at all intimidated. That's called lacking confidence in your own ability. And you know what, for Giannis, it was good to get this experience. He'll come back next year with that jumper, and if mgmt takes care of the team, the Bucks will be a force for another decade, and probably win a title or two. But the key to me was the best player on the Bucks not be confident in his perimeter game, after the defense took away what he's great at. Speaks volumes as to the Raptors coaching, the heart of the Raptors team, and the growth Giannis still needs as a player.

And again, I know its heartbreaking, but this was a necessary step for Giannis to become the best player in basketball, and the Bucks to win a title. And both things WILL happen in the next several years.

Quote
this tweet sums it up beautifully...

Ben Taylor
@ElGee35
Most people still don’t intuit how close and how variable game outcomes are.
Merely 50% 3-pt shooting (!) from Fred Van Vleet essentially swings the series to MIL in 6. Remember that when you read sweeping narratives about these teams/players.

I can make numbers say anything I want too. When it comes down to it, you watched the same games I did. My observations were spot on. If Giannis had a jumper that was reliable, and that he wasn't afraid to take when the defense sagged off him, the Bucks would have won the series. Pretty simple.

And again, I was rooting for the Bucks and love their team. I think Lopez is so underrated, and while he struggled a bit, Middleton is a dynamic offensive talent (I am a big Brogodon fan too). But the better team did indeed win this year. The Raptors rose when great teams rise.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: jingle.boy on May 27, 2019, 10:05:31 AM
What is with that f'n schedule??  2 days in between each game (sans game 3-4).  17 days to play 7 games?!?!?!?  That's just ridiculous.  I don't know if the NBA is stretching it out to get KD back, or to give Kawhi extra days between games.  Either way, that is a fucked up schedule.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Azyiu on May 27, 2019, 06:47:58 PM
What is with that f'n schedule??  2 days in between each game (sans game 3-4).  17 days to play 7 games?!?!?!?  That's just ridiculous.  I don't know if the NBA is stretching it out to get KD back, or to give Kawhi extra days between games.  Either way, that is a fucked up schedule.

Finals' scheduling has always been this way at least since the 90's, if not earlier... still, it doesn't make it alright. Guess the league is giving them extra days to recover from excessive partying after each game?  :justjen
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Samsara on May 28, 2019, 08:05:44 AM
What is with that f'n schedule??  2 days in between each game (sans game 3-4).  17 days to play 7 games?!?!?!?  That's just ridiculous.  I don't know if the NBA is stretching it out to get KD back, or to give Kawhi extra days between games.  Either way, that is a fucked up schedule.

Finals' scheduling has always been this way at least since the 90's, if not earlier... still, it doesn't make it alright. Guess the league is giving them extra days to recover from excessive partying after each game?  :justjen

The almighty dollar. The hype, the increased ad revenue, etc. It's all about the money. It just so happens that this year it gives KD a longer time to recover and contribute. But its all about the money.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 28, 2019, 08:50:52 AM
Quote
this tweet sums it up beautifully...

Ben Taylor
@ElGee35
Most people still don’t intuit how close and how variable game outcomes are.
Merely 50% 3-pt shooting (!) from Fred Van Vleet essentially swings the series to MIL in 6. Remember that when you read sweeping narratives about these teams/players.

I can make numbers say anything I want too. When it comes down to it, you watched the same games I did. My observations were spot on. If Giannis had a jumper that was reliable, and that he wasn't afraid to take when the defense sagged off him, the Bucks would have won the series. Pretty simple.

I think the greater point here is that there are many variables that could have changed and swung the series. For example, FVV not hitting every shot in Games 5-6. But what people always seem to harp on is "Superstar X should have done Y better!" It's not that the observation is wrong, it's just that people focus on that kind of thing with a laser, and usually just when the player loses. If the Bucks won the series and Giannis played exactly the same way, I am sure that some people would still be talking about how bad his jump shot is, but most of the conversation would revolve around how amazing it was that Giannis led the Bucks to the Finals. Basically... What people focus on tends to shift based on winning/losing, and the best players usually get 100% of the blame or 100% of the credit.

I'm talking more generally here. I actually agree with every point you've made thus far! I'm just commenting on... I guess... The way people talk about basketball sometimes.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Azyiu on May 28, 2019, 08:59:33 AM

The almighty dollar. The hype, the increased ad revenue, etc. It's all about the money. It just so happens that this year it gives KD a longer time to recover and contribute. But its all about the money.

On second thought, while you might be somewhat correct; I think the schedule is created this way to avoid conflicts with the Stanley Cup Finals?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: jingle.boy on May 28, 2019, 09:57:59 AM
They could both (arena availability dependent) go alternating nights.  But both leagues have dropped additional days in there for no apparent reason.  Every other playoff round is done in a 1-on/1-off manner (regardless of travel), so I'm not sure why the Finals need to be so spread out.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Samsara on May 28, 2019, 10:11:01 AM

I think the greater point here is that there are many variables that could have changed and swung the series. For example, FVV not hitting every shot in Games 5-6. But what people always seem to harp on is "Superstar X should have done Y better!" It's not that the observation is wrong, it's just that people focus on that kind of thing with a laser, and usually just when the player loses. If the Bucks won the series and Giannis played exactly the same way, I am sure that some people would still be talking about how bad his jump shot is, but most of the conversation would revolve around how amazing it was that Giannis led the Bucks to the Finals. Basically... What people focus on tends to shift based on winning/losing, and the best players usually get 100% of the blame or 100% of the credit.

I'm talking more generally here. I actually agree with every point you've made thus far! I'm just commenting on... I guess... The way people talk about basketball sometimes.

No, I hear ya. I really do. And yes, people DO harp on the "superstars." But you also have to call it like you see it. The Raptors shut Giannis down. Why? Because they took away his "A" game, and his "B" game was not good enough to sustain them. And Giannis' teammates saw that, so when Giannis deferred to them, they weren't able to deliver. Had the Bucks won, and their role players came through in a big way, yes, people would be focusing less on Giannis. But the Warriors would have seen that, and made it even tougher.

Giannis WILL be the best basketball player on the planet. And it might be next year. But he's not quite developed yet. I think the Bucks had a tremendous season. Going from being ousted in the first round, to losing in the ECF. Next year? Finals. And they may, depending on where the balance of power is, win it all next year. But Giannis' next step is developing that jumper. If I'm him, I take a couple weeks off, and then just start shooting thousands of jumpers a day from distance, with the right coach, and develop that motion.

The old coach in me saw a couple of times how he shot from his palm instead of his fingertips. I am sure he and the coaches all noticed it. But a small tweak could help his consistency. He has the range. He hit a few 3s. It's all about repetition, making sure the form is correct, and just dialing it in over the offseason. Gotta add something every summer. And Giannis will. You can see he's the type to just keep grinding away. The Bucks' future is SO bright with The Freak. Their fans should be elated over a great season. Making good offseason decisions, and the Bucks will be right back at it, with Giannis likely becoming a force on the perimeter. And when that happens, he'll be unstoppable. I see him, if he develops that shot, averaging 30+ next year...on only 18 shots. Close the lane, he pulls up and nails it, move up on him, you'll be dunked on.

p.s. no one here cares, but man, the Wolves just made a great hire with Sachin Gupta as Executive VIP to Gersson Rosas. Wolves' leadership really making huge strides. Can't wait to see how things develop this offseason and into next year.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: bosk1 on May 30, 2019, 07:26:37 AM
Tonight!
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Post by: jingle.boy on May 30, 2019, 08:08:40 AM
Methinks this is going to be a closer game/series than many expect.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: bosk1 on May 30, 2019, 08:10:37 AM
I really don't know what to expect.  Just excited to watch it play out (and hoping I can find a place in Mexico that is airing the games so that I actually CAN watch it all play out).
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Samsara on May 30, 2019, 08:35:27 AM
No one mentioned the news yesterday about Houston's willingness to dump everyone. Really interesting. Chris Paul and James Harden apparently had a big spat after losing. I can see the Lakers pursuing Chris Paul and uniting him with Lebron like they've both always wanted. I don't believe New Orleans will trade AD to the Lakers. So instead, you give up less to get Chris Paul, and put a portion of the banana boat crew together.

Paul and James both have (I think) three years on their current deals. So you go for a three-year window for the Lakers to win, and then reset. Makes a ton of sense.

Houston though...man, its like they are cleaning house. The Wolves sign away one of their best executives, HC D'Antoni's staff is getting fired, and reports are that they want to part with him too, and now making the roster completely available. CRAZY.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: bosk1 on May 30, 2019, 08:49:03 AM
Yeah, I saw it.  Pretty wild.  But I really dislike that organization, and am a bit happy about seeing it in a shambles.  Looking in from the outside, it seems a bit dumb and shortsighted.  I mean, if you buy into the Warriors being broken up after this season (which I'm not betting on, but it IS the prevailing thought), why not stand pat, shore things up, and come back next year ready to step in as heirs apparent?  Since their stated goal has been "beat the W's and win a title," that seems to make the most sense.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Samsara on May 30, 2019, 09:05:50 AM
Yeah, I saw it.  Pretty wild.  But I really dislike that organization, and am a bit happy about seeing it in a shambles.  Looking in from the outside, it seems a bit dumb and shortsighted.  I mean, if you buy into the Warriors being broken up after this season (which I'm not betting on, but it IS the prevailing thought), why not stand pat, shore things up, and come back next year ready to step in as heirs apparent?  Since their stated goal has been "beat the W's and win a title," that seems to make the most sense.

'm no fan of Harden or Paul. I think the organization realizes they can't beat the Warriors as currently constructed. They tried. It didn't work. So now they are resetting, waiting for the Warriors to eventually get a bit older and slower. Honestly, that makes sense to me. Even if the Warriors break up next season (which to me, just means Durant leaving, which I DO think is going to happen), I think Curry, Thompson, and Green will probably all be there, and still be dominant until age catches up. So Houston is dumping now, and biding their time, and I assume they'll get younger and developing so when the Ws are done, they'll be ready.

So I see why they are cleaning house, its just shocking to see it all happen. I think Chris Paul to the Lakers is going to happen. It just makes a ton of sense. But I wonder who might be willing to trade for Harden. I hate that guy, and his checkered past that everyone seems to hide (google Harden, and the night club threat and all that, you'll find it). And I hate his game, which I think the NBA needs to reign in with the rules and competition committee. He's a great player, but he's skirting the spirit of the rules.

Anyway, a lot of drama to look forward to this summer. Will be exciting to see how it all pans out.

Be safe in Mexico bosk. Didn't know you were traveling.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Lonk on May 30, 2019, 09:40:13 AM
I expect the warrior to go home with the series 1-1. Win both home games and maybe losing game 5. If they lose game 5, the win the series at home on game 6.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: jammindude on May 30, 2019, 08:15:54 PM
Methinks this is going to be a closer game/series than many expect.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Azyiu on May 30, 2019, 09:44:55 PM
It is first to win 4, and I picked this series to go 6 the Dubs, plus it is on the road, so I guess it is "ok" losing game 1... Still, you want to win game 1 in any series. And the AI injury sucks.

Honestly I prefer the Warriors to 3-peat, but even if they can't, I am fine with Toronto winning a title... It would feel weird, but I am cool with that.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: jingle.boy on May 31, 2019, 05:36:53 AM
I very much expect a different game tonight.  Game 1 of the last two series', the Raps dominated (shoulda won against the Bucks), and then got trounced in Game 2.  I hope they don't repeat that trend.  Plus, there's a chance that KD might be back, which totally changes the makeup.

Great team effort on offense when Leonard was looking a little off.  Defense won the game for them again.  I have no doubt the Dubs will adjust, but this is the best defense in the league after all.  Good to see them go with more than an 8-man bench - even though Powell and McCaw only saw a few minutes each.
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on May 31, 2019, 07:19:42 AM
Wonderful effort from the Raps. Game 2 is obviously huge. If they win, then the Warriors need to go 4-1 in order to take the series. They could absolutely do it, but it's a big ask. I remain astounded by the Raptors defense. Please keep it up!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Samsara on May 31, 2019, 08:32:17 AM
Pretty cool to see the Raps win game 1. Warriors looked a tick slow, rusty, etc. Expected that, but still thought they'd win. Game 2 is huge for both teams. I suspect, however, that the Warriors will win game 2 in blowout fashion. Hope I'm wrong and the Raps win it.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Azyiu on May 31, 2019, 08:41:22 AM
Bleacher Report says KD could return for game 3 and/or 4.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: KevShmev on May 31, 2019, 07:08:53 PM
I'll be surprised if Durant plays in the finals.  I am sure they know he is hurt too much to play, but are keeping it quiet (as most teams would).

If that is true, the legacy of Steph Curry will be affected by these finals.  He needs to not only lead his team to the title, but he needs to be the MVP.  He is already on pace to be a historically great player (top 15, maybe even top 10), but he needs that finals MVP.  I think he could have gotten it in 2015, but he didn't, and here we are years later and he still doesn't have one.

All-time greats like Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson and Tim Duncan all won the finals MVP in their first finals appearance.

Larry Bird, Shaquille O'Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon and Kevin Durant all won it in their second finals appearance.

LeBron James and Isiah Thomas won it in their third finals appearance.

This is Curry's fifth finals appearance.  He needs that finals MVP. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Azyiu on May 31, 2019, 11:12:37 PM
I'll be surprised if Durant plays in the finals.  I am sure they know he is hurt too much to play, but are keeping it quiet (as most teams would).

If that is true, the legacy of Steph Curry will be affected by these finals.  He needs to not only lead his team to the title, but he needs to be the MVP.  He is already on pace to be a historically great player (top 15, maybe even top 10), but he needs that finals MVP.  I think he could have gotten it in 2015, but he didn't, and here we are years later and he still doesn't have one.

All-time greats like Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson and Tim Duncan all won the finals MVP in their first finals appearance.

Larry Bird, Shaquille O'Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon and Kevin Durant all won it in their second finals appearance.

LeBron James and Isiah Thomas won it in their third finals appearance.

This is Curry's fifth finals appearance.  He needs that finals MVP.

No, he doesn't need that Finals MVP to be considered an All-time great. I bet he himself doesn't care about it either. I mean, I bet he'd rather be collecting championships than worrying about winning at least one damn Finals MVP award.

Besides, are you saying Curry won't be viewed as an All-time great if he never win that stinky award, despite the fact the Warriors have won multiple championships; plus we ALL know they likely wouldn't have won them without Curry in any of those years.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: KevShmev on June 01, 2019, 07:18:14 AM

No, he doesn't need that Finals MVP to be considered an All-time great. I bet he himself doesn't care about it either. I mean, I bet he'd rather be collecting championships than worrying about winning at least one damn Finals MVP award.

Of course he does (although we can debate how much).  Every great player cares about their legacy once they've reached all-time great status, and Curry is smart enough to know that never winning a finals MVP would be a slight ding on his, especially once he starts getting compared to other all-time greats, when is inevitable.


Besides, are you saying Curry won't be viewed as an All-time great if he never win that stinky award, despite the fact the Warriors have won multiple championships; 

No, I did not say that, and I am not saying that.

plus we ALL know they likely wouldn't have won them without Curry in any of those years.

Well, sure, but that was not the point of my earlier post.  I am talking about legacy.

Kevin Durant is another interesting one as far as legacy goes.  If he does not play in these finals, the result could enhance or diminish the two rings he won in 2017 and 2018.  Many are of the opinion that Durant was a luxury more than a necessity, and if they win this series without him, it will reinforce that "see, they don't need Durant to win" mentality, but if they lose without him, then we can see, "hey look at that, they did need Durant to win it all, after all."

And it affects Curry in that regard as well.  If the Warriors lose this series with Durant not playing, it will take a little bit of the shine off of Curry, since the attitude might be "the Warriors were 2-0 in the finals with Durant, and 1-2 without him."   But if the Warriors win this series without Durant, it will be a reminder to everyone of just how great Curry is (which I think is the likely scenario).  I have maintained for years that Curry is more valuable than Durant, and I suspect that will be even more evident in less than two weeks when the Warriors take this series in 6 with Durant not having played a minute of these finals.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 01, 2019, 08:30:56 AM
A Finals MVP will help Curry in the eyes of those who haven't been paying attention, but I think that everyone else already knows how great the guy is. During this five-year Warriors dynasty, Curry has not only been one of the best offensive players in the league, but also of all-time. Since 2015, he has ranked 1, 4, 3, 3, and 3 in terms of ESPN's RPM, which combines advanced plus-minus data with box score data. During that same span, Durant has only cracked the top ten once. Golden State are now 31-2 in their last thirty three games with Curry and without Durant, whereas Durant's record without Curry is closer to .500, I believe.

The biggest issue with Curry's value has always been injuries. In 2016, he was able to play deep into the playoffs, but health hindered his performance. Last year, Curry missed a ton of time, and was again hampered when he returned. Not winning a Finals MVP doesn't really matter to me, especially considering he probably should have won it in 2015.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Lonk on June 02, 2019, 08:40:04 PM
1-1 gaining Home Court, I expect 1 game at home to be a blow out win of 20+
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Azyiu on June 02, 2019, 08:55:40 PM
The Dubs survived game 2... but with so many guys down all of a sudden, not sure how they will perform at home for game 3 & 4... KD may return though.

Also, I can be wrong on this, since I was only watching the game on my phone's small screen with no sound... I thought most of the 50/50 calls seemed to favor Toronto
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: jingle.boy on June 03, 2019, 04:47:41 AM
The Dubs were in the bonus with like 5+ mins to play in the first half, so the whistles were in their favour there, and Cousins was playing pretty physical right from the opening tipoff.  I'd say the Raps were given a lot of leeway in the 2nd half though.  A lot of times I thought they got away with some hacks.  And Clay got away with a blatent goaltend in 1Q (blocking a Siakim dunk from under the mesh).

Dubs offense cranked it up in the 3rd, while the Raps offense fell asleep.  Down the home stretch, the Raps had a lot of good open looks, but couldn't close the gap.  Unforced turnovers didn't help them either.

Not sure why anyone would expect a 20+ point win.  I"m expecting this to go 6 or 7 games.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Samsara on June 03, 2019, 08:29:54 AM
Losing Klay is rough. And they kept hinting during the broadcast that Steph Curry is sick. And Durant's not supposed to play until Game 4. Would be interesting if everyone was out, and they had to go old school and funnel the offense through Cousins...
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 03, 2019, 10:45:59 AM
I'm trying not to be pessimistic, but that seemed like the kind of game that we needed to win in order to win the series. Curry was sick and didn't start playing well until the second quarter, then Klay got injured and the Warriors basically didn't score until right at the end... Logically, we are still very much in it and it will probably be a long series, but as a fan, I can't help but feel that we missed a golden opportunity. Game 3 will be monstrous!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: jingle.boy on June 03, 2019, 11:30:46 AM
While I somewhat agree with your assessment, The Raps 'should' have had Game 1 vs the Bucks, and were able to overcome that loss.  So I'm not overly concerned about letting this one slip away.  I'd feel better had they been able to hold on to this one, but other than the Iguodala 3-pointer with 6 seconds left, the Dubs didn't sink a bucket for the last 5.5 minutes.  Whether that was a combination of the factors you listed above, good defense again, or some part of both doesn't really matter.  The 20-0 run, and a couple of missed wide open looks during the 4Q comeback were what did the Raps in.  Again... holding to the Dubs under 110pts shows that the defence is not the issue.  The Dubs bench (other than Cook's three 3s) was largely ineffective.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Samsara on June 04, 2019, 01:43:16 PM
Summer free agency. You heard it here first. D'Angelo Russell (and his special Arizona Iced Tea) to Minnesota in a sign and trade that brings Dario Saric, Jeff Teague, and a pick to the Nets.
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Post by: Nekov on June 04, 2019, 02:04:30 PM
If that is true, the nets must have talked to Kyrie or Kemba already. Otherwise getting rid of your all star point guard doesn't make much sense given the return they are getting
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Post by: Samsara on June 04, 2019, 02:54:57 PM
If that is true, the nets must have talked to Kyrie or Kemba already. Otherwise getting rid of your all star point guard doesn't make much sense given the return they are getting

I am betting Kyrie. Kyrie grew up a Nets fan, and just bought property in his hometown in NJ. I think its inevitable. And all that chatter about how Irving and Russell can play together...yes, but no. They are both too similar in how they play on the court. The Nets want to make a splash, and Kyrie is it. Plus with a return of say Saric (PF on cheap contract for two more years) who is a solid complementary piece, Teague (starting caliber guard on an expiring deal), and a first round pick, the Nets get depth, cap relief after next season, and future talent. Makes sense all the way around.

Again, just educated guesswork. But I think something of that nature will happen. D-Lo and Towns are good friends, and D-Lo is the type of PG we need. But the Wolves can't do it unless they shed Teague's 19-million, and Saric's 5 million -- which opens up 24, 25 million per for D-Lo in a sign and trade. We'll see.
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Post by: King Postwhore on June 04, 2019, 08:12:40 PM
Say what? Holy moly!!

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/450x600q90/922/d2qCj0.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmd2qCj0j)
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Post by: TAC on June 04, 2019, 08:13:32 PM
Didn't David Backes just say the same thing? :lol
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Post by: Azyiu on June 04, 2019, 08:16:31 PM
Say what? Holy moly!!

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/450x600q90/922/d2qCj0.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmd2qCj0j)

Woo... someone sounds more bitter than a Guinness Stout  :lol  :loser:
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Post by: King Postwhore on June 04, 2019, 08:26:34 PM
 :lol
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Post by: jingle.boy on June 04, 2019, 08:48:29 PM
I read that article... that quote makes him out to be a douche - which he was not in the article/interview.  He's just being honest to say that without the things that happened - including his sacrifices - over past number of years, the franchise would not have been on the path that led them to this years Finals.  The next line in that interview ... "You just have to sit back and understand, you are the reason so many things was even possible. To their credit, they probably felt like it was time to see what we could get to make that next jump.”
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Post by: King Postwhore on June 04, 2019, 08:51:58 PM
Chad, you just don't say it.  Put the team in your rear view mirror.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Nekov on June 05, 2019, 05:11:33 AM
If that is true, the nets must have talked to Kyrie or Kemba already. Otherwise getting rid of your all star point guard doesn't make much sense given the return they are getting

I am betting Kyrie. Kyrie grew up a Nets fan, and just bought property in his hometown in NJ. I think its inevitable. And all that chatter about how Irving and Russell can play together...yes, but no. They are both too similar in how they play on the court. The Nets want to make a splash, and Kyrie is it. Plus with a return of say Saric (PF on cheap contract for two more years) who is a solid complementary piece, Teague (starting caliber guard on an expiring deal), and a first round pick, the Nets get depth, cap relief after next season, and future talent. Makes sense all the way around.

Again, just educated guesswork. But I think something of that nature will happen. D-Lo and Towns are good friends, and D-Lo is the type of PG we need. But the Wolves can't do it unless they shed Teague's 19-million, and Saric's 5 million -- which opens up 24, 25 million per for D-Lo in a sign and trade. We'll see.

Apparently that's the rumor that is circulating in NBA circles now. Kyrie to the Nets
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Post by: Samsara on June 05, 2019, 08:35:15 AM
Yep, like I said, makes complete sense. They also want Tobias Harris. Imagine this Nets top-7:

PG - Kyrie Irving
SG - Spencer Dinwiddie
SF - Joe Harris
PF - Tobias Harris
C - Jarret Allen

6th - Jeff Teague (PG/SG)
7th - Dario Saric (PF)

That's WAY better than what they have now. And if I'm them, and I know I want and will get Irving, I do that sign and trade of D-Lo, because it makes more sense to bring in a wing, rather than try and stuff three PGs in the same starting 5 (Dinwiddie is a PG, but he's the height of a typical SG at 6'6").

Again, Wolves fan dreaming here, but as a hoops junkie, it also makes TOTAL sense for the Nets if they know they are getting Irving.

On another note, it sorta sucks that Klay likely won't play tonight for the Dubs, as well as Durant. Don't get me wrong, I don't feel bad them, but I feel bad for fellow hoops fanatics who love watching the best talent on the floor during basketball's biggest event. Prediction - Dubs win tonight despite the injuries. Steph will go for 35+, and expect Cousins to put up 25/10.
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Post by: Azyiu on June 05, 2019, 08:50:04 AM
On another note, it sorta sucks that Klay likely won't play tonight for the Dubs, as well as Durant. Don't get me wrong, I don't feel bad them, but I feel bad for fellow hoops fanatics who love watching the best talent on the floor during basketball's biggest event. Prediction - Dubs win tonight despite the injuries. Steph will go for 35+, and expect Cousins to put up 25/10.

Agreed. It is just not as fun without the KD vs Kawhi match up, or Klay putting up 3s on one end while helps defending Kawhi on the other. I too hope the Warriors win tonight. This game 3 feels like a critical game 5 for the Warriors with their injuries, and I think whoever wins tonight will have a very good chance in winning this series.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: jingle.boy on June 06, 2019, 04:54:58 AM
I guess that game last night left everyone speechless?
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Post by: Lonk on June 06, 2019, 05:27:44 AM
I didn’t watch the game and was just checking the Box Score.

I am surprised the Raps won but hey good for them. They gained back home court and are in a position to put GS at the brink of losing the finals. I still expect GS to win, but not as sure about it as I was before.

Cousin had only 4 points and 3 Rebs? Curry was the player with the most Rebs yesterday for GS and I think that tells the whole story of the game (again, I did not see it) even though overall GS had 1+ Reb over the Raps.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: jingle.boy on June 06, 2019, 06:17:05 AM
I didn’t watch the game and was just checking the Box Score.

I am surprised the Raps won but hey good for them. They gained back home court and are in a position to put GS at the brink of losing the finals. I still expect GS to win, but not as sure about it as I was before.

Cousin had only 4 points and 3 Rebs? Curry was the player with the most Rebs yesterday for GS and I think that tells the whole story of the game (again, I did not see it) even though overall GS had 1+ Reb over the Raps.

IIRC, Cousins points came on a 1-2 from the charity stripe, and a 3-pointer.  Down low... Gasol and an appropriate double-team held him ineffective.  There was no answer for Curry though - dude was in constant motion, and even when he wasn't open, he was nailing shots.  He missed a couple of critical ones that would've closed the gap in the 3rd and 4th to like 5 points... but that'll happen when you play 40+ minutes and are running around for at least 1/2 of them.

Raps offense finally showed up - 6 players in double digits.  And when Gasol is giving 15+ along with Danny Green dropping six 3s, and Lowry adding 25 .... well, it's a tough road for any team - with or without 2 of their best players.  Cousins didn't step up, and Draymond/Iguodala were inconsistent.

Should be a different game tomorrow with Klay back, and perhaps KD.
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Post by: T-ski on June 06, 2019, 07:14:32 AM
its been a perfect scenario for the Raps, Golden State is wounded and the Raps are clicking on all levels right now.
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Post by: KevShmev on June 06, 2019, 08:21:26 AM
Seems like every time the Warriors would get it within 7-8 points, someone on the Raptors would hit a dagger to shut down any thoughts of a comeback. 

I guess Curry now knows what LeBron felt like for years, to have an awesome game, but not have enough help.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Samsara on June 06, 2019, 09:30:59 AM
I guess that game last night left everyone speechless?

What shocked me is Steve Kerr. That loss, IMO, is completely on him. He was without two Hall of Fame-caliber players, and without a key reserve. He was left with a superstar/HOF-caliber player in Steph Curry, Draymond Green (All Star) and Demarcus Cousins (All Star). Instead of adjusting their game plan to fit the personnel, they plugged and played, and that was clearly the wrong move. Demarcus Cousins is slow. He's not effective on the wing. You need to put him in the post, and if he drifts outside and hits a three, great. But they should have run the ball from Draymond, to Demarcus in the post, and a kick out to Curry on the perimeter.

I get that it is difficult to adjust HOW you play this late in the year. But that offense is built on perimeter players and speed. The Raptors flat-out dominated the Dubs last night, and Steve Kerr should be beating himself up that he didn't change things up a little more. That was a huge game for the Raptors. I'm just baffled why Kerr didn't adjust and throw the Raps a curveball by dumping it into COusins in the post every possession until the Raptors proved they could stop him down there. The Raptors have Gasol, but after that, no one else can guard Cousins in the post. Throw the curveball, and go half court, and see if you can confuse the Raptors enough to get ahead. The Dubs never did that.

SO, now we have the Dubs down 2-1, and Durant and Thompson will come back game 4, both probably around 65 percent healthy. Not what you want.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: KevShmev on June 06, 2019, 09:36:29 AM
Don't forget that they also had Iguodala, so they had four current or former All-Stars on the floor last night as opposed to their usual six.

I will still be surprised if Durant returns; I think that is a smoke screen, but I could be wrong. 

Fun fact: the Warriors are 1-5 in their last six NBA finals games without Kevin Durant.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: jingle.boy on June 06, 2019, 10:14:40 AM
I will still be surprised if Durant returns; I think that is a smoke screen, but I could be wrong. 

I think you may be right, but unless him playing risks a long-term injury, they've got to go to that well at this point, don't they?  If they drop game 4, it's virtually over for them.  Or is *he* holding back because he doesn't want to risk anything because of his pending free agency?

I can't argue your points, Brian, but Cousins/Iguodala/Green were all held in check - especially the former, who was 1-7.  Raps made it hard for Steph, but didn't put all their eggs in the basket of trying to stop him.  They still played fairly a balanced defensive scheme to make sure that others didn't burn them in the effort to minimize Steph.

I also think that Cousins was taken out because Gasol was exploiting his weak defense.  Very odd to see McKinnie with 18 minutes.  Almost like Kerr didn't know what to try.

Serge Iblocka had a great game too - not a lot of points, but a couple of key buckets that (as Kev referenced) prevented GSW from really closing the gap.  Really balanced effort on both sides of the ball from the Raps - even though they were held pointless for almost 4 minutes in 2Q.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Samsara on June 06, 2019, 11:17:27 AM

I can't argue your points, Brian, but Cousins/Iguodala/Green were all held in check - especially the former, who was 1-7.  Raps made it hard for Steph, but didn't put all their eggs in the basket of trying to stop him.  They still played fairly a balanced defensive scheme to make sure that others didn't burn them in the effort to minimize Steph.

They absolutely did. But what I am saying is that the Warriors ran their standard offensive sets. They just plugged in people to replace Durant and Thompson and ran the same offense. What I'm saying is Kerr should have adjusted their sets, and played a half court set given their personnel. Cousins would have been effective on the block, in a half court set. He's not effective on the wing being as slow as he is.

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I also think that Cousins was taken out because Gasol was exploiting his weak defense.  Very odd to see McKinnie with 18 minutes.  Almost like Kerr didn't know what to try.

The one thing he didn't try was going old school. And he should have.

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Serge Iblocka had a great game too - not a lot of points, but a couple of key buckets that (as Kev referenced) prevented GSW from really closing the gap.  Really balanced effort on both sides of the ball from the Raps - even though they were held pointless for almost 4 minutes in 2Q.

He was almost invisible out there. I was impressed by Danny Green continuing to show he's the real deal. He reminded me of Robert Horry last night.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: jingle.boy on June 06, 2019, 11:26:36 AM
Ibaka invisible?  We must've been watching a different game.  Sure, he didn't have big stat lines, but he got key points, and key blocks when it mattered a whole ton.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: KevShmev on June 06, 2019, 11:55:40 AM
Turns out the fan that shoved Kyle Lowry last night is a minority owner with the Warriors.

Wow.

The NBA needs to come down hard on that guy and the Warriors organization. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: jingle.boy on June 06, 2019, 12:02:08 PM
Turns out the fan that shoved Kyle Lowry last night is a minority owner with the Warriors.

Wow.

The NBA needs to come down hard on that guy and the Warriors organization.

Wow is right indeed.  The NBA has even more power over his consequence now.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 06, 2019, 02:29:44 PM
Durant is out for Game 4. Klay will play, but he probably won't be at 100%. The Raps have another good chance. It's not going to come easy, mind you, but they need to take advantage if they can.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: T-ski on June 06, 2019, 02:36:21 PM
Nets start clearing salary for a max free agent.....

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Brooklyn is trading Allen Crabbe and No. 17 pick in 2019 NBA Draft and protected first in 2020 to Atlanta for Taurean Prince and 2021 second-round pick, league sources tell ESPN.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: jingle.boy on June 06, 2019, 03:22:39 PM
At this point, KD's injury has to be more than just a calf strain.  A 'strain' doesn't put you out for 8 games/3 weeks and the last games of the Finals.  I'm 100% on the 'smokescreen' bandwagon - it's got to be a tear, or an achilles problem.  And no way Klay is in prime game condition.  I can see him coming up lame if he's ever in a position where he really needs to motor, or turns the wrong way.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors struggling to win with only 4 All-Stars
Post by: KevShmev on June 06, 2019, 08:10:16 PM
Yep, I have thought for weeks that Durant is done for the year, but they are keeping it a secret so the other team still has to prepare for the possibility that he might play, which I am okay with.  I am in favor of teams hiding injuries. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors struggling to win with only 4 All-Stars
Post by: Azyiu on June 06, 2019, 08:37:19 PM
KD's situation aside, nah, the Warriors will be fine... I am certain guys like Danny Green, Lowry and Van Vleet won't stay as hot beyond the 3-point line (they went 14 for 25 in game 3) again. Especially Green, he is going to come back down to earth going forward. The same goes for the Warriors. Chances are they won't shoot as poorly collectively in game 4. As poorly as the Warriors not named Curry were playing, they were still able to control the offensive boards in game 3. I am confident this series will be tied 2-2 heading back to Toronto.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors struggling to win with only 4 All-Stars
Post by: T-ski on June 06, 2019, 08:52:22 PM
KD's situation aside, nah, the Warriors will be fine... I am certain guys like Danny Green, Lowry and Van Vleet won't stay as hot beyond the 3-point line (they went 14 for 25 in game 3) again. Especially Green, he is going to come back down to earth going forward. The same goes for the Warriors. Chances are they won't shoot as poorly collectively in game 4. As poorly as the Warriors not named Curry were playing, they were still able to control the offensive boards in game 3. I am confident this series will be tied 2-2 heading back to Toronto.

That’s what Bucks fans thought.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors struggling to win with only 4 All-Stars
Post by: Azyiu on June 06, 2019, 09:07:56 PM
That’s what Bucks fans thought.

But y'all don't have 4 All-stars, lol  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors struggling to win with only 4 All-Stars
Post by: jingle.boy on June 07, 2019, 05:24:40 AM
KD's situation aside, nah, the Warriors will be fine... I am certain guys like Danny Green, Lowry and Van Vleet won't stay as hot beyond the 3-point line (they went 14 for 25 in game 3) again. Especially Green, he is going to come back down to earth going forward. The same goes for the Warriors. Chances are they won't shoot as poorly collectively in game 4. As poorly as the Warriors not named Curry were playing, they were still able to control the offensive boards in game 3. I am confident this series will be tied 2-2 heading back to Toronto.

I admire your confidence, and you could very well be 100% right.  The reason the Dubs are winning on the OREB stat-line is because the Raps are preferring to get back on defence to prevent the fast breaks.  Toronto's D excels in the 1/2 court, so they are sacrificing OREBs for that.

Not sure why you think Steady-Freddie will come back to earth on 3-pointers.  He's been on fire since Game 3 of the Bucks series.  And yes, Green is streaky - will he drop six 3s again?  Maybe not, but I don't think going Oh-for is where he'll end up either.  On the flipside, I doubt Curry is gonna put up 45+.  I also don't think Klay is anywhere near 100%.  It's gonna come down to one of the Dubs fringe players stepping up and punching out of their weight class - Green, Iguodala, Cousins... one of them has to have a 20+ game.

Despite all of that, the Raps still have Kahwi.  His 30 points was a pretty 'silent' 30.  There's still the opportunity for him to put the team on his back and carry them to victory any given game.

I'm feeling cautiously optimistic about the Raps chances.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors struggling to win with only 4 All-Stars
Post by: KevShmev on June 07, 2019, 05:48:44 AM
If Klay and Durant are out again, the Raptors should play Golden St like the Bad Boy Pistons used to play Jordan's Bulls: do not worry and overthink it if Curry goes off and just focus on shutting everyone else down. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors struggling to win with only 4 All-Stars
Post by: Lonk on June 07, 2019, 07:42:42 AM
KD's situation aside, nah, the Warriors will be fine... I am certain guys like Danny Green, Lowry and Van Vleet won't stay as hot beyond the 3-point line (they went 14 for 25 in game 3) again. Especially Green, he is going to come back down to earth going forward. The same goes for the Warriors. Chances are they won't shoot as poorly collectively in game 4. As poorly as the Warriors not named Curry were playing, they were still able to control the offensive boards in game 3. I am confident this series will be tied 2-2 heading back to Toronto.

I admire your confidence, and you could very well be 100% right.  The reason the Dubs are winning on the OREB stat-line is because the Raps are preferring to get back on defence to prevent the fast breaks.  Toronto's D excels in the 1/2 court, so they are sacrificing OREBs for that.


 :huh: Wouldn't they already be on defense when giving up OREB?  :huh:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors struggling to win with only 4 All-Stars
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 07, 2019, 08:06:31 AM
KD's situation aside, nah, the Warriors will be fine... I am certain guys like Danny Green, Lowry and Van Vleet won't stay as hot beyond the 3-point line (they went 14 for 25 in game 3) again. Especially Green, he is going to come back down to earth going forward. The same goes for the Warriors. Chances are they won't shoot as poorly collectively in game 4. As poorly as the Warriors not named Curry were playing, they were still able to control the offensive boards in game 3. I am confident this series will be tied 2-2 heading back to Toronto.

I admire your confidence, and you could very well be 100% right.  The reason the Dubs are winning on the OREB stat-line is because the Raps are preferring to get back on defence to prevent the fast breaks.  Toronto's D excels in the 1/2 court, so they are sacrificing OREBs for that.

Not sure why you think Steady-Freddie will come back to earth on 3-pointers.  He's been on fire since Game 3 of the Bucks series.  And yes, Green is streaky - will he drop six 3s again?  Maybe not, but I don't think going Oh-for is where he'll end up either.  On the flipside, I doubt Curry is gonna put up 45+.  I also don't think Klay is anywhere near 100%.  It's gonna come down to one of the Dubs fringe players stepping up and punching out of their weight class - Green, Iguodala, Cousins... one of them has to have a 20+ game.

Despite all of that, the Raps still have Kahwi.  His 30 points was a pretty 'silent' 30.  There's still the opportunity for him to put the team on his back and carry them to victory any given game.

I'm feeling cautiously optimistic about the Raps chances.

One thing I will say - The Warriors are amazing. Steph Curry can will anyone to a victory. If Klay returns, they may be a legitimate favorite again. But sometimes it feels as though people think the Warriors will be fine no matter what happens, and I don't think that's true. Hell - They were favored by Vegas to win Game 3 even without Klay and KD, and with Iggy and Cousins playing below 100%. In hindsight, that was kind of ridiculous. At some point, the Warriors "will be fine" until they aren't. I really hope this is that series.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Samsara on June 07, 2019, 08:29:22 AM
Ibaka invisible?  We must've been watching a different game.  Sure, he didn't have big stat lines, but he got key points, and key blocks when it mattered a whole ton.

He showed up in key spots, yes, but he floated throughout the game. I like Ibaka a lot, but I didn't like how he played, other than those few moments.

Regarding KD -- talking heads on NBA radio mentioned how if it was just a calf, he'd be back by now. They think, and I agree, its a partially torn Achilles, which if true, you won't see KD this series, and I wonder how that will damage his value in free agency (remember Boogie was supposed to be in line for a max before his first injury, and had to settle for a 1 year, 5 mil deal).
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors struggling to win with only 4 All-Stars
Post by: jingle.boy on June 07, 2019, 08:39:28 AM
KD's situation aside, nah, the Warriors will be fine... I am certain guys like Danny Green, Lowry and Van Vleet won't stay as hot beyond the 3-point line (they went 14 for 25 in game 3) again. Especially Green, he is going to come back down to earth going forward. The same goes for the Warriors. Chances are they won't shoot as poorly collectively in game 4. As poorly as the Warriors not named Curry were playing, they were still able to control the offensive boards in game 3. I am confident this series will be tied 2-2 heading back to Toronto.

I admire your confidence, and you could very well be 100% right.  The reason the Dubs are winning on the OREB stat-line is because the Raps are preferring to get back on defence to prevent the fast breaks.  Toronto's D excels in the 1/2 court, so they are sacrificing OREBs for that.


 :huh: Wouldn't they already be on defense when giving up OREB?  :huh:

Yes... though my stance was explaining why the Raps were *not* getting as many OREBs.  I think the Dubs are giving themselves more chances to get an OREB, and thus the reason they had a 13-5 advantage in OREB.  For the series, it's only 28-27.  When your players are already retreating while the ball is in mid-air, you're effectively sacrificing the chance to even TRY for an OREB.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Bitter Leafs fans praying Raptors can win a title
Post by: TAC on June 07, 2019, 08:25:05 PM
Kawhi Leonard and Klay Thompsen are probably my two favorite players in the league.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Bitter Leafs fans praying Raptors can win a title
Post by: black_biff_stadler on June 07, 2019, 09:36:01 PM
Good lord, Draymond Green is a fuckin moron. Steph just breathes a last gasp of air into the Warriors' lungs getting it to 97-89 and then his dumb ass has to commit an obvious foul 40 feet from the basket and then act shocked about the whistle. The dude has as much control over his emotions as Delta Burke locked inside a candy store.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Bitter Leafs fans praying Raptors can win a title
Post by: KevShmev on June 07, 2019, 09:41:58 PM
Good lord, Draymond Green is a fuckin moron. Steph just breathes a last gasp of air into the Warriors' lungs getting it to 97-89 and then his dumb ass has to commit an obvious foul 40 feet from the basket and then act shocked about the whistle. The dude has as much control over his emotions as Delta Burke locked inside a candy store.

 :lol :lol :lol 

What a win for the Raptors.  Kahwi Leonard is a beast. :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: Azyiu on June 07, 2019, 09:48:19 PM
Never say never, being down 1-3 looks bad... but then the Warriors are the experts in blowing 3-1 lead. Maybe they know a thing or two about winning the next 3 games?  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: jammindude on June 07, 2019, 10:02:24 PM
I am loving this. I have absolutely no particular dislike of the Warriors....I just hate that everyone has been handing them the trophy and basically treating them as untouchable since the season began.

As Boomer once said: “THAT’S why they play the games.”
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: black_biff_stadler on June 07, 2019, 10:38:17 PM
Nobody circles the wagons like the Buffalo Warriors!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: jingle.boy on June 08, 2019, 04:39:36 AM
KD's situation aside, nah, the Warriors will be fine... I am certain guys like Danny Green, Lowry and Van Vleet won't stay as hot beyond the 3-point line (they went 14 for 25 in game 3) again. Especially Green, he is going to come back down to earth going forward. The same goes for the Warriors. Chances are they won't shoot as poorly collectively in game 4. As poorly as the Warriors not named Curry were playing, they were still able to control the offensive boards in game 3. I am confident this series will be tied 2-2 heading back to Toronto.

I admire your confidence, and you could very well be 100% right.  The reason the Dubs are winning on the OREB stat-line is because the Raps are preferring to get back on defence to prevent the fast breaks.  Toronto's D excels in the 1/2 court, so they are sacrificing OREBs for that.

Not sure why you think Steady-Freddie will come back to earth on 3-pointers.  He's been on fire since Game 3 of the Bucks series.  And yes, Green is streaky - will he drop six 3s again?  Maybe not, but I don't think going Oh-for is where he'll end up either.  On the flipside, I doubt Curry is gonna put up 45+.  I also don't think Klay is anywhere near 100%.  It's gonna come down to one of the Dubs fringe players stepping up and punching out of their weight class - Green, Iguodala, Cousins... one of them has to have a 20+ game.

Despite all of that, the Raps still have Kahwi.  His 30 points was a pretty 'silent' 30.  There's still the opportunity for him to put the team on his back and carry them to victory any given game.

I'm feeling cautiously optimistic about the Raps chances.

One thing I will say - The Warriors are amazing. Steph Curry can will anyone to a victory. If Klay returns, they may be a legitimate favorite again. But sometimes it feels as though people think the Warriors will be fine no matter what happens, and I don't think that's true. Hell - They were favored by Vegas to win Game 3 even without Klay and KD, and with Iggy and Cousins playing below 100%. In hindsight, that was kind of ridiculous. At some point, the Warriors "will be fine" until they aren't. I really hope this is that series.

Seems like everything above was spot on between the two of us.  Green/Van Fleet cooled off; Kawhi had a big point game.  For the Dubs, Klay/Curry were just fine, but no one else stepped up.  The Raptors were ice cold offensively in the 1st, but the Warriors couldn't pull away.  Defense again saved them with all those steals/forced turnovers.  I tell ya, that first 5-6 minutes was sloppy as fuck by both teams.  This could've been a 20 point victory if the Raps hadn't had such a horrible first quarter.  Officiating was very questionable at times (towards both teams), and what the fuck was with the Dubs shooting 66% from the free-throw line.   :omg:

I am loving this. I have absolutely no particular dislike of the Warriors....I just hate that everyone has been handing them the trophy and basically treating them as untouchable since the season began.

All dynasty's fall, and I think we may be witnessing the end of this one. 

Never say never, being down 1-3 looks bad... but then the Warriors are the experts in blowing 3-1 lead. Maybe they know a thing or two about winning the next 3 games?  :lol

Did you see how Kawhi and Lowry were all business in the post-game interviews?  They know they've earned nothing yet.  I'd hardly call the Warriors "experts" at blowing a 3-1 lead ... the Cavs are the ONLY team in Finals history to comeback from 3-1.  Plus, the Dubs have a 3-1 comeback of their own to draw from.

It ain't over until the fat lady sings.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: KevShmev on June 08, 2019, 06:23:22 AM
If Toronto wins this series and Durant leaves Golden St., the dynasty might very well be ending.  Not that the Warriors wouldn't still be a top contender with as good a chance as any, but their days of being the clear favorite will be over.  Somewhere Kevin Durant is smiling, as he has to know how good what is happening is for his legacy.  I have said since his arrival that he was more of a luxury than a need, but it is becoming clear that they need him in order to win it all (unless in cases like 2015 where the team they are playing loses their 2nd and 3rd best players).
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: Azyiu on June 08, 2019, 09:48:26 AM
OMG! We can’t have a championship go to those war-mongering, gun-lovin Canadians! Next thing we know they will invade us with Tim Hortons popping up at every street corner...  :lol

Ok, in all seriousness, I agreed with jingle.boy on all dynasties must fall one day, yet I think the Warriors will still remain as a title contender next year even without KD. Maybe they are just like the 80's Lakers / Celtics that don't win it all every year, but we will definitely see them around. With them staying competitive along with teams like Houston and maybe the Nuggets, while teams in the East get stronger with great chance of winning it all; is good for the league.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 08, 2019, 11:55:02 AM
If Toronto wins this series and Durant leaves Golden St., the dynasty might very well be ending.  Not that the Warriors wouldn't still be a top contender with as good a chance as any, but their days of being the clear favorite will be over.  Somewhere Kevin Durant is smiling, as he has to know how good what is happening is for his legacy.  I have said since his arrival that he was more of a luxury than a need, but it is becoming clear that they need him in order to win it all (unless in cases like 2015 where the team they are playing loses their 2nd and 3rd best players).

If the Warriors lose without Durant, I think it helps him dodge the "Durant is just an insurance policy" bullet, but I don't think it changes what already happened these past few years. There are a lot of other players who could have won championships with the Warriors in 2017 and 2018. Assuming the Warriors are indeed eliminated, I'm dreading the inevitable onslaught of "Durant is vindicated!" stories. At the end of the day, I think that Durant is a phenomenal player who was underrated before going to Golden State, but has probably become a bit overrated since then.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: Nekov on June 08, 2019, 03:05:44 PM
If Toronto wins this series and Durant leaves Golden St., the dynasty might very well be ending.  Not that the Warriors wouldn't still be a top contender with as good a chance as any, but their days of being the clear favorite will be over.  Somewhere Kevin Durant is smiling, as he has to know how good what is happening is for his legacy.  I have said since his arrival that he was more of a luxury than a need, but it is becoming clear that they need him in order to win it all (unless in cases like 2015 where the team they are playing loses their 2nd and 3rd best players).

Well, the Durant gamble payed off, that's for sure. But bringing him into the team also meant not having a good bench. Now that he is out injured, we can see how that is affecting this team. If Durant walks, the Warriors can retool and go back to the days when they had good rotation and the backup guys could actually help Steph and Klay. I wouldn't kill the dynasty just yet.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: Lonk on June 08, 2019, 11:01:12 PM
If Toronto wins this series and Durant leaves Golden St., the dynasty might very well be ending.  Not that the Warriors wouldn't still be a top contender with as good a chance as any, but their days of being the clear favorite will be over.  Somewhere Kevin Durant is smiling, as he has to know how good what is happening is for his legacy.  I have said since his arrival that he was more of a luxury than a need, but it is becoming clear that they need him in order to win it all (unless in cases like 2015 where the team they are playing loses their 2nd and 3rd best players).

If the Warriors lose without Durant, I think it helps him dodge the "Durant is just an insurance policy" bullet, but I don't think it changes what already happened these past few years. There are a lot of other players who could have won championships with the Warriors in 2017 and 2018. Assuming the Warriors are indeed eliminated, I'm dreading the inevitable onslaught of "Durant is vindicated!" stories. At the end of the day, I think that Durant is a phenomenal player who was underrated before going to Golden State, but has probably become a bit overrated since then.

Underrated?? For a few years he was consider second in the league only to Lebron, and some even said Durant was #1 specially after his MVP season.  wouldn’t call that underrated.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: Samsara on June 09, 2019, 01:13:41 PM
Toronto just looks like that team of destiny, doesn't it? It's been an exciting series. Losing Durant is huge. This stage is why the Warriors got him. And at 7 feet, he sees over everyone. The defenders don't bother him. That said, even WITH Durant, watching the Raptors, it may not even have mattered. You can just feel how much more it means to them. We'll see if they can pull it off. It has been a wild ride.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: TAC on June 09, 2019, 01:16:40 PM
The Raptors have been knocking on the door to break through in the East for as number of years now. I thought the Ibaka pick up at the deadline a couple years ago was huge and Siakim has really blossomed.

But let's face it. This is ALL about Kawhi Leonard.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: Azyiu on June 09, 2019, 06:54:14 PM
KD maybe cleared to play in Game 5... so he can lose together with the rest of the team... ahh... what team spirit, lol  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: TAC on June 09, 2019, 06:57:08 PM
So the Knicks said it was OK for him to play?? ;D
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 10, 2019, 06:30:20 AM
The Raptors have been knocking on the door to break through in the East for as number of years now. I thought the Ibaka pick up at the deadline a couple years ago was huge and Siakim has really blossomed.

But let's face it. This is ALL about Kawhi Leonard.


I'm actually going to disagree with you a bit on this one, TAC. Kawhi has been a beast, no doubt. He might be the best player in the league. He deserves a lot of credit. But we have an incredible defense that goes way beyond him, and we get All-Star production on offense from at least one other player per game. I really can't say enough about this team from top to bottom.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: jingle.boy on June 10, 2019, 08:14:12 AM
That's true TOX, but in Leonard, the Raps have a player that can end offensive runs when the defense gets soft.  You have a guy that can silence the opposing crowd, and a guy that gives the rest of the team better offensive chances because of the attention he draws.  Cousins has been largely invisible this series because Kerr can't afford to have him out on the floor for too long forhe hampers the entire GSW defensive schemes.

Yes, this is an elite defense - every team they've faced this post season scored demonstrably worse than their regular season and post season averages.  But it's his talent on both ends of the court that drive the Raps engine.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 10, 2019, 08:19:09 AM
That's true TOX, but in Leonard, the Raps have a player that can end offensive runs when the defense gets soft.  You have a guy that can silence the opposing crowd, and a guy that gives the rest of the team better offensive chances because of the attention he draws.  Cousins has been largely invisible this series because Kerr can't afford to have him out on the floor for too long forhe hampers the entire GSW defensive schemes.

Yes, this is an elite defense - every team they've faced this post season scored demonstrably worse than their regular season and post season averages.  But it's his talent on both ends of the court that drive the Raps engine.

Agreed! I just don't think it's all about him. You need a driver (Kawhi) but you need an engine (supporting cast) too.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: TAC on June 10, 2019, 09:27:30 AM
The Raptors have been knocking on the door to break through in the East for as number of years now. I thought the Ibaka pick up at the deadline a couple years ago was huge and Siakim has really blossomed.

But let's face it. This is ALL about Kawhi Leonard.


I'm actually going to disagree with you a bit on this one, TAC. Kawhi has been a beast, no doubt. He might be the best player in the league. He deserves a lot of credit. But we have an incredible defense that goes way beyond him, and we get All-Star production on offense from at least one other player per game. I really can't say enough about this team from top to bottom.


No Kawhi, no finals. Not sure if Derozen gets them there. I’m not trying to take anything away from Toronto. They were my preseason pick to come out of the East.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: jingle.boy on June 10, 2019, 09:50:48 AM
The Raptors have been knocking on the door to break through in the East for as number of years now. I thought the Ibaka pick up at the deadline a couple years ago was huge and Siakim has really blossomed.

But let's face it. This is ALL about Kawhi Leonard.


I'm actually going to disagree with you a bit on this one, TAC. Kawhi has been a beast, no doubt. He might be the best player in the league. He deserves a lot of credit. But we have an incredible defense that goes way beyond him, and we get All-Star production on offense from at least one other player per game. I really can't say enough about this team from top to bottom.


No Kawhi, no finals. Not sure if Derozen gets them there. I’m not trying to take anything away from Toronto. They were my preseason pick to come out of the East.

Bingo.  He is the difference maker.  Take away ANY other part of that team, and there could be a replacement player to backfill what they provide.  EG... they may have still make the finals with JV vs Gasol.  Maybe Embiid gets the best of him and the 76rs get by, maybe not.  No matter the example, Leonard is the only player they couldn't get by without.  Yes, they were 17-5 without Leonard during the season, but 13 of those games were against non-playoff teams.  So, 4-5 against playoff teams - without Kawhi (or even if they had last year's roster), they likely don't get past the 2nd round, and certainly not the Bucks.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 10, 2019, 10:10:44 AM
Not disagreeing, but the original statement was that it was "all" about Kawhi. If you remove Gasol and Pascal, do the Raptors even get past the 76ers? I doubt it. All I'm saying is that basketball is a team sport, and one player does not deserve all the credit or the blame.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: Lonk on June 10, 2019, 12:35:13 PM
Well, tonight Kwahi will probably get his second finals MVP.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: jingle.boy on June 10, 2019, 12:58:20 PM
Lots of indications that KD is medically cleared, and may actually suit up tonight.
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Post by: Samsara on June 10, 2019, 01:35:40 PM
Yeah, I've read he's good to go tonight. I imagine he won't play his normal minutes. Guessing 20. Be an amazing story if his play carried the Warriors back from a 3-1 hole to win it. But I don't see it happening. It would be an incredible ride though.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: jingle.boy on June 10, 2019, 08:24:26 PM
Hate to see a player go down, but I KNEW KD was not going to make it thru the entire game.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: Azyiu on June 10, 2019, 08:26:26 PM
Hate to see a player go down, but I KNEW KD was not going to make it thru the entire game.

Going out like that just sucks... I think it is over for the Warriors... can't see them holding on and force a Game 6.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: TAC on June 10, 2019, 08:30:33 PM
Not disagreeing, but the original statement was that it was "all" about Kawhi. If you remove Gasol and Pascal, do the Raptors even get past the 76ers? I doubt it. All I'm saying is that basketball is a team sport, and one player does not deserve all the credit or the blame.

I know. the Raptors have been a really good team for the past half decade or so. Seems they have been knocking on the door. Well, it was Kawhi that opened the door. That's all I'm saying. You can talk Gasol and Pascal all you want, but in the end, this team will get as far as Kawhi will take them.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: King Postwhore on June 10, 2019, 08:32:53 PM
Exactly.   Teams need the top 5 to win the big one.  Of course you need 15 through 30th best as a 2 or 3 but without Kawhi,  this team is out in the 1st or 2nd round.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: KevShmev on June 10, 2019, 09:34:18 PM
The Raptors coach might be the dumbest person ever.  Up 6 with all of the momentum and the crowd going nuts and the ball, and he calls a timeout!!  And then the Warriors rip off 9 straight.  Wow. :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: KevShmev on June 10, 2019, 09:39:02 PM
Toronto's idiot coach might have just cost the city and the fans a championship.  Unreal.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: Azyiu on June 10, 2019, 09:42:48 PM
Toronto's idiot coach might have just cost the city and the fans a championship.  Unreal.

Wow! Didn't even see that coming... I thought the Warriors were DONE by the 3-minute mark...
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: jingle.boy on June 10, 2019, 09:44:37 PM
Yeah, I thought that was weird. And then NOT to call the last timeout to draw up a play?  Bad shot selection for that last attempt.

Toronto’s 3-point shooting was what cost them. And The Dubs setting a record with 20 3s
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: jingle.boy on June 11, 2019, 06:29:23 AM
The Raptors coach might be the dumbest person ever.  Up 6 with all of the momentum and the crowd going nuts and the ball, and he calls a timeout!!  And then the Warriors rip off 9 straight.  Wow. :lol :lol :lol

His explanation for it was bizarre.  Certainly a boneheaded move, but to call him the dumbest "coach" ever is harsh.  Dumbest "call" ever?  Not even close - anyone involved in putting KD on the floor last night gets that award.  Anyone catch the presser with Bob Myers explaining it?  Holy crocodile tears - I've seen better acting in a kindergarten production of Grease.

It sucks to see that one slip away, but the way I see it... GSW shot 20-42 from three; the Splash Bros had 57 pts (54% of the offence); KD drilled 11 in 12 minutes; they shot 46% from the floor; Boogie was dominant for a period and chipped in 14.

Kawhi went silent in 3Q with a single point; they shot 25% from three; missed a handful of easy looks (especially Siakim); shot 77% from the free-throw line (88% for the series).

All that said, and the Dubs were still held below their offensive average, and still only won by a single point - with Green's fingernails possibly saving the game/series/title (for now).

Both GSW victories were easily winnable for the Raps.  Not sure the same can be said for GSW's losses.  Maybe that's a homer statement, but the eyetest says the Raps victories were a quite a bit more comfortable than the Dubs' victories.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: Lonk on June 11, 2019, 07:15:19 AM
Both GSW victories were easily winnable for the Raps.  Not sure the same can be said for GSW's losses.  Maybe that's a homer statement, but the eyetest says the Raps victories were a quite a bit more comfortable than the Dubs' victories.

No arguing that, its the truth. I am honestly surprised that the warriors are struggling this hard. It might be all the injuries, it might be burnouts, who knows. Curry himself is shooting a lot worse than his regular season self.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Canada on the verge!!
Post by: Samsara on June 11, 2019, 08:21:51 AM
Hate to see a player go down, but I KNEW KD was not going to make it thru the entire game.

Anyone who has had a calf/achilles injury knows the incredible pain there is with it. THere was no way he should have been playing. All the doctors on the Warriors staff should be fired. All of them. To a person.

I almost blew out my achilles a couple years ago. I was doing some new training, scaling vertical walls (like you see in that American Ninja Warrior stuff), and I planted and pushed up, and felt my calf roll. Immense pain. I hung there at the top of the wall, unable to use my left leg. Pulled myself up (my arms hurt for days, lol), slid down the poll (landed on my right leg) and went straight to the doctor, partially torn calf muscle, achilles was compromised. Rest and rehab. Its still not 100, and it was more than a year ago. I have to really stretch well to play basketball, or it starts shooting pain immediately when I lift to shoot. So, I can only imagine what KD was experiencing when he hurt his calf, and now, achilles. The guy risked his career for the Warriors, on the trust of his doctors. And now look.

HUGE loss for the NBA, not just the Warriors. Here's hoping KD has a full and speedy recovery.

But can I say something? I know its not all Raptors fans, but the conduct when KD went down was reprehensible. Absolutely uncalled for.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: jingle.boy on June 11, 2019, 08:49:02 AM
But can I say something? I know its not all Raptors fans, but the conduct when KD went down was reprehensible. Absolutely uncalled for.

I can't disagree.  I know that my instant reaction was "HA... I knew he wasn't ready to play", and felt a momentary twinge of excitement that the odds for the Raps just went up.  That lasted about 1/2 a second and then I saw how bad it was.  Multiply that by about 18,000, and I suspect that is what happened in the arena.  But the time KD got across the court, the arena realized what was happening, and were chanting his name.

The initial reaction is inexcusable, if not understandable - certainly by anyone from Philly or Oakland area football fans.   :lol ;)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: Samsara on June 11, 2019, 09:30:45 AM
I get it. But see, in the arena, after it happened and KD stood up and hobbled, they KEPT cheering. Even after being told to stop by the Raptors players. That's disgraceful.

I absolutely understand the excitement of wanting to win a title. As a Wolves fan, I can only imagine how excited I'll be when they eventually get there (hopefully in my lifetime). But that all stops when someone goes down in pain. Not casting any shame on you at all, personally. Obviously, you saw what it was, and realized. I just think as a whole, the Raptors' fan base in the arena that night should be ashamed of itself.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: KevShmev on June 11, 2019, 03:05:37 PM
There are a-holes in every city with no class who would cheer an injury; that is not exclusive to Toronto, Boston or even Philly.  I think taking Toronto to task for cheering for an injury that they couldn't have possibly known was as bad as it appears to be is a big much.  They did, after all, quickly cheer for KD when he got up to leave the court and started chanting his name (in acronym form :P).

The real travesty last night is still Nick Nurse.  It still boggles the mind what he did, especially if you watch the replays and then hear his boneheaded explanation.  The Warriors looked totally gassed on defense when he called the timeout!!  There is no doubt in my mind that the Warriors are going to come back and win this series, and Nick Nurse will have to live with the shame forever.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: jingle.boy on June 11, 2019, 03:28:36 PM
There is no doubt in my mind that the Warriors are going to come back and win this series, and Nick Nurse will have to live with the shame forever.

I'm not sure whether you and I have been watching the same series.  It's certainly possible, but over the course of these 5 games, you're going to bank on one ill-timed decision by Nurse as the point that convinces you the Dubs can beat the Raptors 2 more times?

Okey dokey then.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: KevShmev on June 11, 2019, 03:31:00 PM
Let's put it this way: I will be stunned if the Raptors beat the Warriors a 3rd time in Golden St, especially with it being the last game at Oracle.  And if it goes to a Game 7, I will take the shooting and experience of the Warriors over a Raptors team that might be playing a little tight in fear of blowing the championship after having had a 3 games to 1 lead.  If the Raptors win the series, I will give them full props, but I think last night was their best shot and they blew it thanks to their dim-witted coach.
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Post by: TAC on June 11, 2019, 03:31:37 PM
I'm not sure whether you and I have been watching the same series.

 :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: jingle.boy on June 11, 2019, 04:03:27 PM
Let's put it this way: I will be stunned if the Raptors beat the Warriors a 3rd time in Golden St, especially with it being the last game at Oracle.  And if it goes to a Game 7, I will take the shooting and experience of the Warriors over a Raptors team that might be playing a little tight in fear of blowing the championship after having had a 3 games to 1 lead.  If the Raptors win the series, I will give them full props, but I think last night was their best shot and they blew it thanks to their dim-witted coach.

Other than the dim-witted coach comment, this sounds very similar to how another series final game went over the weekend.  You just worry about your team's chances before making broad proclamations about mine.   :P  BTW, we miss you over in the NHL thread.
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Post by: jingle.boy on June 11, 2019, 06:40:37 PM
Well, a lot of good this does today.  :-\

https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/nba-says-foul-missed-raptors-marc-gasol-late-game-5
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: Samsara on June 12, 2019, 09:58:02 AM
For the record, the time out by Nick Nurse was fine. Teams have been doing that all season. The rules got tweaked so that under two minutes, even if a team has more than two timeouts left, those extra timeouts are washed away, as you are only allowed two time outs with under 2 minutes to play. Nick Nurse called the timeout to get people rest. I understand the notion of momentum, and yes, it is huge. But as people have pointed out, they've been doing the same thing all year long, as have the Warriors and other teams. That timeout was no big deal to me.

I do think it is highly unlikely that the Raptors win in GS for a third time. Then again, I've been wrong about almost everything concerning the Raptors in the playoffs.  :lol

Here's hoping the Raptors make me wrong again and take it in six.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: KevShmev on June 12, 2019, 11:59:02 AM
I do not agree regarding the timeout.  Situation matters, and just because you usually do something doesn't mean you should always do it no matter what. Nurse displayed an astounding lack of situational awareness.  But we can agree to disagree.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: jingle.boy on June 12, 2019, 12:22:17 PM
I have a feeling that Kawhi is gonna drop 40+, and will the Raps to victory.  I hope it's on Thursday, but if not, then on Sunday.  Maybe they can goad Draymond into one more T, and he suspends himself.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: Lonk on June 12, 2019, 01:44:29 PM
I do not agree regarding the timeout.  Situation matters, and just because you usually do something doesn't mean you should always do it no matter what. Nurse displayed an astounding lack of situational awareness.  But we can agree to disagree.

Agree! You have to assess the situation and see what the right thing to do is.
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Post by: Samsara on June 12, 2019, 02:27:52 PM
The situation was fine. People make too big a deal about timeouts. The team was winded. I get it, each situation is unique. But my point is, these guys are USED TO TAKING TIMEOUTS AT THAT POINT. So it wasn't out of the ordinary, for them (or at least that's what I've heard today).

In other news, looks like Durant just came out of Achilles rupture surgery. It begs the question -- did they already know it was partially torn ahead of time? If they did, it looks like that KD kept it quiet, and then came back knowing he was going to need surgery after the season anyway, so he just played, and if it popped, it popped. And that's what happens. If that's true, and he went out there knowing it could blow, because it was already partially torn, and just gave it his all anyway, that's really a big deal -- and speaks volumes regarding his character.

Be interesting to find out, because usually, you wouldn't have the surgery a day or two after the injury. You'd confirm the injury, let the swelling stop, then do the surgery. It really seems like they knew what it was beforehand, and KD went out there anyway for as long as he could, knowing it was going to pop, and just said "I'll play til it blows."
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: TAC on June 12, 2019, 02:33:37 PM


In other news, looks like Durant just came out of Achilles rupture surgery. It begs the question --

The question it begs is that will the Warriors tell him to get ready for Game 7? ;D
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: Samsara on June 12, 2019, 02:36:27 PM


In other news, looks like Durant just came out of Achilles rupture surgery. It begs the question --

The question it begs is that will the Warriors tell him to get ready for Game 7? ;D

Could shoot free throws!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: jingle.boy on June 12, 2019, 02:42:29 PM
The thing with the timeout... the Dubs were invariably going to take one at the end of that possession regardless.  Both teams left a timeout on the board at the end of the game, so it's not like Nurse took one that allowed GSW to rest, and save a timeout of their own for later.  The break was most likely coming whether the Raps scored that possession or not.  He took a calculated risk to burn it since he had it to give his own players some rest for that offensive play.  It backfired.  Shit happens.

What irks me more that Nurse DIDN'T take his final timeout with 15 seconds to go to draw up a play.  They could've/should've gotten a better look than that Lowry corner-3 that Draymond blocked.

Re KD... that's gutsy if he did know it was hanging on by a thread, and just decided to give it what he could and chance it.  I don't think any player would do that though... let alone the BEST offensive player in the league in a FA season.  Isn't a ruptured achilles about the most catastrophic injury for a hoops player?  My prediction is that he's gonna miss the entire season next year.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 13, 2019, 06:56:18 AM
Sadly, chances are that he misses the entire regular season, and is not the same when he comes back. I would wager that he will still be an All-Star, but the days of him being in the "best player" conversation are probably over with. It's actually really sad when you think about it. His prime will be over far too soon.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: Samsara on June 13, 2019, 12:35:48 PM
Sadly, chances are that he misses the entire regular season, and is not the same when he comes back. I would wager that he will still be an All-Star, but the days of him being in the "best player" conversation are probably over with. It's actually really sad when you think about it. His prime will be over far too soon.

I wouldn't bet against him at all. KD is very light on his feet. And generally speaking, if you have your Achilles repaired, its actually strengthened more than before the injury. So it'll be about having time to work out and trust it again, full-tilt. If he takes ALL of next season off (and he should), giving him now...15 months of recovery time (say September 2020), I'd imagine that not only would he be healed, but he should have had ample time to shake the rust off, be in shape, and still be able to be the best in the league for another season or two. If he was heavier, and slower, I think it'd make a difference. But KD's body type, to me, makes it easier.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: jingle.boy on June 13, 2019, 06:37:51 PM
LET'S GO RAP-TORS!  * * *-*-*!!!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: Azyiu on June 13, 2019, 08:14:39 PM
FTs are what keep the Warriors in the game, and TOs are why they are down by 3 at HT... geez, too many unselfish passes by the Warriors... a bit too unselfish that led to TOs.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: jammindude on June 13, 2019, 08:59:43 PM
How can the commentators say Green's foul was "close"?   The replay showed he slapped him DIRECTLY on the hand!  Are they high?   I don't think he got any ball at all!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: Lonk on June 13, 2019, 09:06:26 PM
How can the commentators say Green's foul was "close"?   The replay showed he slapped him DIRECTLY on the hand!  Are they high?   I don't think he got any ball at all!

Lol yeah commentators are pretty bad. Specially van gundy
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: jammindude on June 13, 2019, 09:24:09 PM
Can I just say that this game is one of the best dogfights I've seen in a long time?
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Post by: MinistroRaven on June 13, 2019, 09:35:27 PM
That last shot by KL was not a good choice, move the ball and find a better shot
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: jammindude on June 13, 2019, 09:43:58 PM
So the Stanley Cup goes to the USA, and the O'Brien goes to Canada?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: Azyiu on June 13, 2019, 09:49:30 PM
Congratulations Toronto.  :hat
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Post by: jammindude on June 13, 2019, 09:50:10 PM
3 in a row on GSW's court.    WOW. 
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Post by: MinistroRaven on June 13, 2019, 09:51:04 PM
Congrats to Raptors' fans
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Post by: Azyiu on June 13, 2019, 09:52:28 PM
DeRozen helped lay the ground works for this championship... he deserves the Finals MVP  :lol
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 13, 2019, 09:56:11 PM
Congrats Chad!
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Post by: lonestar on June 13, 2019, 10:05:54 PM
3 in a row on GSW's court.    WOW.

Yup, unbelievable. And the last 3 games period on that court as well, probably not how they wanted to retire oracle.


Oh well, at least I'll stop seeing those stupid car door flags on every other car.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: Azyiu on June 13, 2019, 10:20:44 PM

Yup, unbelievable. And the last 3 games period on that court as well, probably not how they wanted to retire oracle.


I guess home court advantage didn't mean much in this series... the home team won exactly one game, lol  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: jingle.boy on June 13, 2019, 10:44:19 PM
Can I just say that this game is one of the best dogfights I've seen in a long time?

There were what - towards the end of the 4th, I’d heard there were 16 lead changes, and 9 ties. Unbelievable final game. Klay with 30 points in less than 3 quarters. Game probably would’ve ended differently if not for that awkward fall.

This country is going nuts. It’s totally different than when the Jays won in 92 and 93 - back then, they weren’t the only MLB team. There were 59 Jurassic Park setups across the country.

Parade on Monday is gonna be cuckoo.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: Azyiu on June 14, 2019, 12:13:57 AM
There were what - towards the end of the 4th, I’d heard there were 16 lead changes, and 9 ties. Unbelievable final game. Klay with 30 points in less than 3 quarters. Game probably would’ve ended differently if not for that awkward fall.

This country is going nuts. It’s totally different than when the Jays won in 92 and 93 - back then, they weren’t the only MLB team. There were 59 Jurassic Park setups across the country.

Parade on Monday is gonna be cuckoo.

I wonder if the residents in Alert, Nunavut celebrate this championship  :biggrin:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: Lonk on June 14, 2019, 04:41:10 AM
Deff did not see this coming. Congrats to the Raps.

Olay has a torn ACL so he’s able to come back the same player.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 14, 2019, 05:52:48 AM
Yay someone other than the Warriors or LeBron won the championship for the first time since the last time Leonard and Green were champions.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: jingle.boy on June 14, 2019, 06:19:46 AM
Yay someone other than the Warriors or LeBron won the championship for the first time since the last time Leonard and Green were champions.

Coincidence?

That sucks about Klay... looked like a bad fall and immediately I thought blown ACL  Not cool.  I wish the Raps could've beat the 'best' that the Warriors had to offer, but ultimately victory is victory.  I know a lot of people will want to put an asterisk besides this championship (no KD; lost Klay for 6-ish quarters; Looney barely at 50% when he was there).  But for those that feel the need to do that, then you better put an asterisk on the last two for having such an unbelievably stacked team.  Klay/Steph/KD/Green/Iguodala in their prime is literally an all-star team, and each one that could take on an all-NBA team and still win.  When you bet heavy, you can also lose when the chips fall. 

Raptors exploited the Warriors bench, and when Cook and McInnie were getting undressed in the 4th, Kerr had to bring back Steph earlier than it would seem he wanted, and by the last shot, he was gassed.  That was an uncharacteristic brick that he threw up to win the game.  6-17 shooting for Curry tells me he'd run out of steam.  Boogie was terrific in the 1st, but he too looked gassed by the 4th.

All around brilliant team effort.  I figured Leonard would have to drop 40+ to put this to bed, but he ended up tied with VanFleet as the 3rd scorer on the team.   :omg:

Question, is Green suspended for Game 1 of next season, or do those 7 Ts become forgotten?  Serious question - out of curiousity. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: MinistroRaven on June 14, 2019, 07:10:28 AM
And asterisk? Nah, the Dubs also won a championship to The Cavs with Love and Irving injured and no one talked about an asterisk. All it’s part of the game including injuries. Good win for the Raps. They gave their all.
I also expected Leonard to drop 40+ and I was worried that his offense wasn’t that good but now who cares. I think he deserves the MVP. It was a great season for them all
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: Lonk on June 14, 2019, 07:12:38 AM
I believe because it's a new season, those are forgotten. Those fouls belong to the 18-19 season, and unless he does something off the court during the offseason, he should be ok to play opening night.

Yay someone other than the Warriors or LeBron won the championship for the first time since the last time Leonard and Green were champions.

I didn't even realize that! lol It's honestly a weird feeling because all these years, I saw the raptors as a good regular season team that folds in the playoffs. I guess Leonard was a difference maker they needed.

I wonder how DeRozan is feeling right now? It's similar to Mark Jackson and the Warriors situation.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: bosk1 on June 14, 2019, 07:24:35 AM
For the most part, there's no such thing as a "*" on a title win.  A win's a win.  It's a bummer this one went down the way it did, because I think if Klay doesn't get hurt, games 6 and 7 go to the Warriors.  But Toronto put themselves in a position to win this with impressive play from game 1 of the regular season through game 6 of the finals last night.  Truly great season for a truly great team.  There is no "*" on their title.  They earned it.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: T-ski on June 14, 2019, 07:30:29 AM
Congrats to the Raps.

It was a perfect storm to be sure, but you still have to perform.

Very possible neither team is in this position next season which means......



























































Fear the Deer.  ;D
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Post by: T-ski on June 14, 2019, 07:33:38 AM
going to pat myself on the back for this one....

the Raptors just rid themselves of a non-efficient chucker with a bad contract who really didn't move the needle.  Moving Poeltl and the 1st shouldn't affect them to much.  If Kawhi plays its a big win.

don't understand the Spurs side of it.  If thats the best deal they could get they didn't try hard enough.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: Lonk on June 14, 2019, 07:52:56 AM
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=26969480

Drake's celebration. Best part if at the 34 second mark lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 14, 2019, 07:54:06 AM
Sixers came the closest to beating the Raptors. Embiid is still taking it hard.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Warriors saved by the dumbest coach ever
Post by: Samsara on June 14, 2019, 08:51:16 AM
Congrats to the Raps and their legion of fans.

A few takeaways:

Really unfortunate about Klay. Dynamite player, and I love his attitude and will to play and give it everything.

Even with Klay, I am pretty confident the Raptors would have won. Lowry was incredibly hot in the first, and then was steady the rest of the game. Klay was hot, and who knows if he would have cooled in the 4th. Maybe, maybe not. Either way, the Raptors earned the win, and deserved the title. Injuries are what they are. Remember how the Warriors won their first title in this run...Love and Irving were injured. Ultimately, you have to pay the piper.

Draymond Green. Man, you all know I really don't like this guy, but his ability level is undeniable. I think on a lesser team, he's not as impactful. However, last night he balled. Like crazy. But he got out of control. Obviously, he stupidly called time out. It is what it is. But he had like what, EIGHT turnovers? And the whining. EVERY. DAMN. CALL. Honestly, the refs were generous with him and didn't T him up. But they should have, at least twice. Green is talented, but he has a screw loose, and he needs to tighten it. My respect for his ability level is higher, but we'll unfortunately now see how dominant he can be when the team is just him and Steph Curry next year.

Fred Van Fleet -- gotta love stories like his. Dude is a baller, and has worked his ass off. A ton of respect. Here's hoping this is the first of many successful campaigns for him. I see him becoming the Raptors starting off guard next year, and ultimately, taking over for Lowry when his contract runs out.

Lowry - that first quarter was one for the ages. I've always liked his grit. He's not a superstar, but he has flashes, and he really left it all out there.

Leonard - I don't think he'd be back, but I like how he laid in the weeds most of the game, and then started to take over late in the game. That's a bit Kobe-like. Smart to conserve his energy. Wherever he goes (or if he stays) that man is a demon.

Anyway, congrats again, Raptors fans! Bring on the offseason, and bring my Wolves D'Angelo Russell!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 15, 2019, 04:41:49 PM
Woj is reporting that the Pelicans and Lakers have agreed on a Anthony Davis trade.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Anguyen92 on June 15, 2019, 04:44:37 PM
Now, I don't know too much about the value of things in the NBA, but this seems like a lot of assets the Lakers are giving up right?

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1140023139142971392

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The Pelicans have agreed to a deal to trade Anthony Davis to the Lakers for Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart, and three first-round picks – including the No. 4 overall in 2019 Draft, league sources tell ESPN.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Azyiu on June 15, 2019, 06:20:03 PM
Sometimes I hate being in Asia, because I am always first to sleep and last to know, lol.

Well, so let see how the LeBron / AD experiment will be like. Hopefully it won't turn out to be D12 v2.0, a slightly stiff price to pay for AD though.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: T-ski on June 15, 2019, 08:18:50 PM
Lakers better hope Davis re-signs after one year or they will be a 15 win team for years to come.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Azyiu on June 15, 2019, 08:28:45 PM
Lakers better hope Davis re-signs after one year or they will be a 15 win team for years to come.

I thought all non-Lakers fans want to see us suffer? Lol!  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on June 17, 2019, 09:02:08 AM
Regarding the AD trade, I think both teams got exactly what they needed.

From the Pelicans' perspective, they have a franchise and city that generally loves their sports, but has a hard time retaining they people (at least basketball). By shedding one incredible, top-5 talent, they've secured their basketball future for the next 15 years, and put them, most likely, in the playoffs for those next 15 years. All of those picks, and the options that the Pels have, pretty much assure them of having a steady stream of talent coming into the Big Easy. And next year, with Zion, the 4 pick (Garland or Culvert most likely), and then Ingram, Ball, Hart, and most importantly, Jrue Holiday, I see them being a 7 seed in the West. And they will only get better and deeper from there. David Griffin pulled off the absolute best deal he could ever hope for, and has positioned the Pels to be a force for the long term.

From the Lakers' perspective, much like the Yankees in baseball, its all about having major stars, with a couple of homegrown talents. Now the Lakers have arguably two of the top five players in the NBA...and they compliment one another. PLUS, they have a homegrown talent in Kuzma, who is going to be a stud. They also have cap room to sign either a max guy, or a couple of non-max FAs to play. So in other words, they'll probably have five quality starters, and a thin bench. But they are banking on finding gems in the second round, and on players who simply will sign for the vets minimum to play with AD and Lebron. Assuming those two are healthy, or relatively healthy, they'll assure the Lakers of being a contender. And don't scoff at the notion that people will flock to play with them on a discount -- they WILL. It always happens, and the Lakers brass knows it. Sure, they mortgaged the long term. But think about it. Say AD re-signs with the max after this season. Then he and Lebron have two more years together, with Lebron still being a force. Lebron then retires. 40 mil comes off the cap, AD is still just 30 at that point. So they literally have Magic and Kareem again, with Kuzma serving third banana role ala Worthy. People will come. They always do.

I think it was a huge win-win for what both teams are trying to accomplish. Looking at the deal without the filters of each team, I think New Orleans got the better of things, but again, I think both organizations have different goals and mindsets about how to get there.

Man, I love the offseason. Bring on the draft and all FA drama. I can't get enough! Go Wolves, find a way to get D-Lo! Hopefully the Nets want a sign and trade. LOL. I know, pipe dream, but I am holding onto it.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: bosk1 on June 17, 2019, 11:31:30 AM
In other news, I :heart this move:

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The city of Toronto is celebrating the Raptors’ first victory in franchise history and ahead of Monday’s parade, the Warriors took out a full-page ad in the Toronto Star to congratulate the champions.

“The Golden State Warriors congratulate the Toronto Raptors on their historic achievement and bringing the 2019 NBA Championship to the City of Toronto,” the ad reads, with a photo of Steph Curry hugging Kyle Lowry after Game 6 of the Finals.

Source:  https://www.yahoo.com/sports/warriors-take-out-fullpage-ad-in-toronto-star-to-congratulate-raptors-parade-nba-finals-142912934.html
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on June 17, 2019, 11:34:01 AM
Classy move by the Warriors.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: axeman90210 on June 17, 2019, 11:34:54 AM
I'll be very curious to see what the Nets roster looks like after free agency is settled. There's been a lot of buzz lately about momentum picking up for Kyrie to come to Brooklyn and potentially try to pair him with Kevin Durant (though I'm not sure how much Durant's injury changes that). There's also been talk of mutual interest between the Nets and Tobias Harris. I don't think they'd try to sign Kyrie and re-sign D'Angelo Russell, but I guess we'll see soon enough. Been a long time since the Nets has been as attractive of a destination for free agents as they are now, thanks to the culture Sean Marks and Kenny Atkinson have created and some of the supporting players they've developed.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: pg1067 on June 17, 2019, 11:39:50 AM
In other news, I :heart this move:

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The city of Toronto is celebrating the Raptors’ first victory in franchise history and ahead of Monday’s parade, the Warriors took out a full-page ad in the Toronto Star to congratulate the champions.

“The Golden State Warriors congratulate the Toronto Raptors on their historic achievement and bringing the 2019 NBA Championship to the City of Toronto,” the ad reads, with a photo of Steph Curry hugging Kyle Lowry after Game 6 of the Finals.

Source:  https://www.yahoo.com/sports/warriors-take-out-fullpage-ad-in-toronto-star-to-congratulate-raptors-parade-nba-finals-142912934.html

I want to say that the Chicago Blackhawks did something like this after the Kings beat the Hawks in the 2014 Western Conference Finals (or maybe the Kings did it when the Hawks beat them in 2013).  Either way, very classy move.


As far as the Davis trade, I am REALLY not looking forward to listening to sports talk radio at lunch and on my way home.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on June 17, 2019, 12:50:44 PM
I'll be very curious to see what the Nets roster looks like after free agency is settled. There's been a lot of buzz lately about momentum picking up for Kyrie to come to Brooklyn and potentially try to pair him with Kevin Durant (though I'm not sure how much Durant's injury changes that). There's also been talk of mutual interest between the Nets and Tobias Harris. I don't think they'd try to sign Kyrie and re-sign D'Angelo Russell, but I guess we'll see soon enough. Been a long time since the Nets has been as attractive of a destination for free agents as they are now, thanks to the culture Sean Marks and Kenny Atkinson have created and some of the supporting players they've developed.

My hometown is literally 15 minutes from Tobias'. If I were the Nets, I woulidn't bother with Irving. I'd look to re-sign D.Lo, and then sign Tobias Harris, and keep adding. Don't subtract for Kyrie and his bad knees.

As a Wolves fan, I totally want them to go all-in on Kyrie, so we have a chance at D.Lo. But if I'm the Nets, it would be really stupid to let D.Lo go. Just resign him to the max, and sign Tobias. I've watched the Nets from afar, as I am a huge fan of Caris LeVert. They have something special. Don't break it up for Kyrie. Keep your PG and keep growing.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: axeman90210 on June 17, 2019, 10:09:55 PM
I'm feeling about the same. If signing Kyrie instead of DLo means they get KD as well then I don't think you can pass that up, but if they're going to sign Harris I'd rather see them keep Russell.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on June 18, 2019, 07:40:36 AM
In other news, I :heart this move:

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The city of Toronto is celebrating the Raptors’ first victory in franchise history and ahead of Monday’s parade, the Warriors took out a full-page ad in the Toronto Star to congratulate the champions.

“The Golden State Warriors congratulate the Toronto Raptors on their historic achievement and bringing the 2019 NBA Championship to the City of Toronto,” the ad reads, with a photo of Steph Curry hugging Kyle Lowry after Game 6 of the Finals.

Source:  https://www.yahoo.com/sports/warriors-take-out-fullpage-ad-in-toronto-star-to-congratulate-raptors-parade-nba-finals-142912934.html

Classy indeed... too bad you posted this literally right after there was a shooting at the rally - about a 100 yards from where jingle.son and I were standing.  Detailed post below.

First, the good.  What a turnout!!!  The City was predicting 1.5M-2M people for the parade and rally.  Estimates are now that it was more like 3M. 

Pics of the massive crowds during the parade:

(https://assets1.sportsnet.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/1704050871_6049196989001_6049195146001-vs.jpg)

(https://newsradio.akamaized.net/images/593482582001/201906/3929/593482582001_6049236816001_6049235635001-vs.jpg?pubId=593482582001)

(https://www.straitstimes.com/sites/default/files/styles/xxx_large/public/articles/2019/06/18/colin-d4-18.jpg?itok=K1ZsZ0qi&timestamp=1560842916)

(https://www.theglobeandmail.com/resizer/ASqPMwLkjUO_1yJRE4xXXlBiUyE=/1200x0/filters:quality(80)/arc-anglerfish-tgam-prod-tgam.s3.amazonaws.com/public/OIFDEAILFZF2VEUBKKKYD5LE74.JPG)

Now that not so good ... from that last pic, imagine all three surrounding streets, and the back half of the square (area under the arches) emptying out in a span of a couple of minutes.

The parade was supposed to start at 10am, run about a 4 mile route, and end up at City Hall / Nathan Phillips Square, with the rally starting somewhere around 12:30.  Jingle.son and I arrived around 8am, and found a decent enough spot at Nathan Phillips Square, standing on the area that is normally a shallow water feature (ice rink in the winter) that was boarded up with plywood.  Well, the City did a shit planning job on the parade route - no barriers, so the 1M+ people taking that in were filling the street, and it took 5.5 hours for the busses to get to the rally.  Organizers hadn't planned for this, and didn't have a 5 hour 'party' planned for the Square.  So, it was pretty much 60k+ people standing around for 5 hours.  Some people in the front of the square had been there since Saturday/Sunday.  Here was the scene:

(https://www.narcity.com/u/2019/06/17/a0b55e9a71d79aa8d169e01e65ce5e60.png_1200x630.png)

The stage is at the top of this pic, and the square is essentially split into two sections, separated by the TORONTO (which are about 7' high).  Jingle.son and I were about 3/4 of the way back in the area behind TORONTO (on a direct line behind the N). 

The team finally gets on stage around 3:30, and after all the intros, the Mayor is doing his schtick, and then the back 1/2 crowd starts stampeding.  The shooting was just outside the square, in the bottom right corner of that pic.  So, imagine about 15,000 people already shoulder-to-shoulder now running like hell (from right to left), and nobody knowing why really.  Considering the city had a vehicle 'event' about a year ago (a car ran down pedestrians on a busy sidewalk), I'm trying to scan for a vehicle plowing thru the crowd and trying to decide which *way* to run. jingle.son thankfully had the presence of mind to grab his backpack (where my keys were), and luckily we didn't really get separated. After about 30 seconds or so, things seem to be settling down a little.  I'm trying to scan the crowd to see where the 'danger' is - I can't see any cops really rushing around acting frantic, and some in the crowd were looking in an area back behind the square. 

Couple of pics that show how empty it got - in about 30 seconds.

(https://beta.cp24.com/content/dam/cp24/images/2019/6/17/1_4469535.jpg?cache_timestamp=1560774826514)

(https://beta.ctvnews.ca/content/dam/ctvnews/images/2019/6/17/1_4469504.jpg?cache_timestamp=1560771709857)

A few minutes later, jingle.son and I try to make our way back to an area where we can see the stage, because as I said, there didn't seem to be any danger.  Some people were saying gunshots, but I could see a few cops just observing and walking around, so I figured there wasn't anything to be too concerned about - as did a lot of others, as the back 1/2 filled up again.  So we end up pretty much under the 'left' arch, about 1/2 back.  Then a minute or so later, ANOTHER stampede, and jingle.son and I got seriously separated in it.  Fortunately, he found me, and at that point, we got the fuck out of dodge.  Headed down to the train station, and caught the train home.  As were were leaving, THAT's when we saw a shit-ton of cops all frantic and running around on the streets surrounding the Square.  The surrounding streets (which had also been PACKED) were virtually empty.

Apparently 4 people shot (non life-threatening), but the cops did take down the suspects pretty quick.  Some twitter vids show it, but again, they don't really do justice to the palpable fear that also swept over that area of the crowd.  They did stop the rally for a moment to make an announcement about an emergency - I suspect out of concern that the WHOLE crowd didn't start seeing tweets about a shooting and then a full-fledged panic sweep over the crowd.

https://twitter.com/CityNews/status/1140713635091746818 (this is what jingle.son and I got caught up in)

https://twitter.com/mnizamdin7/status/1140710644389490693 (one of the side streets that was PACKED not 1 minute before)

https://twitter.com/jpags/status/1140707542114414593

The 5th video down in this report is the best I can find.  https://globalnews.ca/news/5400259/shooting-toronto-raptors-championship-parade/

So yeah, that sucked.  Left the house at 5:30am, got home at 8pm, and got about 2 minutes of the rally after standing around for 7.5 hours just waiting.

But, we've got a cool story to tell at least!   :D :-\

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on June 18, 2019, 08:25:05 AM
Jingle, glad you and your son are OK. Scary shit.

People need to stop fucking shooting people.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Azyiu on June 18, 2019, 08:48:34 AM
Jingle, glad you and your son are OK. Scary shit.

People need to stop fucking shooting people.

I second that... why people do such a thing, especially at such happy and historic event for the city of Toronto?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: bosk1 on June 18, 2019, 08:50:06 AM
I'll never understand you Canadians and your obsession with guns.

:neverusethis:

But seriously, all of this:
Jingle, glad you and your son are OK. Scary shit.

People need to stop fucking shooting people.

I second that... why people do such a thing, especially at such happy and historic event for the city of Toronto?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Lonk on June 18, 2019, 06:36:41 PM
So AL Horford doesn’t want to return to Boston. If Al and Kylie leave, don’t see Boston as contenders anymore unless they bring someone else in.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TAC on June 18, 2019, 06:43:00 PM
So AL Horford doesn’t want to return to Boston. If Al and Kylie leave, don’t see Boston as contenders anymore unless they bring someone else in.

Kyrie is gone. They weren't contenders WITH Kyrie.

Not sure Al really makes a difference either way. If they renounce one more contract, they can bring in a Max player this year. It's probably best to have the $$ flexibility. Al really did them a favor.


That said, that guy was a true professional.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TAC on June 18, 2019, 07:21:37 PM
@ Chad.. I thought I commented earlier today. I guess not..



HOLY SHIT DUDE!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on June 19, 2019, 08:20:56 AM
The bigger news with the Celtics is that apparently Horford and the Cs were going to hammer out a new contract. But then Al just decided (for whatever reason) to just go full bore into free agency. My guess tells me, Al probably wanted a 4 year, 85+ million deal. And when Ainge rightfully balked at committing that type of cash to a player who will be in his late 30s (I think 37) when the contract is up, Horford walked. The Celtics will miss Horford big time, but not statistically. He was good for 14-7-4. THey will miss his professionalism and example to younger players about hard work. It'll be interesting to see where Ainge goes now. I think you have to maintain that cap flexibility to sign Tatum.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on June 19, 2019, 10:56:49 AM
Let the drama begin. Conley going to Utah for spare parts, Utah's first rounder this year, and a future first rounder. Utah got better, but they are losing two first round picks for a guy whose a lot closer to 35 than 25. Wow. Memphis going all-in on Ja Morant, as expected, in the draft.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: T-ski on June 19, 2019, 08:35:06 PM
Is it wrong that I have friends coming over to watch the draft Thursday night?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TAC on June 19, 2019, 08:38:09 PM
Is it wrong that I have friends coming over to watch the draft Thursday night?

Not at all.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 20, 2019, 11:16:22 AM
Chad.....just Wow. I can’t imagine what you guys were feeling. Had to be weird as a parent, worrying about your son and also just trying to determine the best way to protect you both.

Glad you guys made it out unscathed.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on June 20, 2019, 12:36:23 PM
Is it wrong that I have friends coming over to watch the draft Thursday night?

Dude, I've got pizza on order, picking the kid up early, and she, my wife and I, will all be in our T-Wolves stuff. Draft Day is like Christmas. Party on!
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: T-ski on June 20, 2019, 03:57:31 PM
Is it wrong that I have friends coming over to watch the draft Thursday night?

Dude, I've got pizza on order, picking the kid up early, and she, my wife and I, will all be in our T-Wolves stuff. Draft Day is like Christmas. Party on!

when I told my wife about it she had the exact same reaction, except the opposite.  :rollin
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TAC on June 20, 2019, 06:39:14 PM
Is it wrong that I have friends coming over to watch the draft Thursday night?

Dude, I've got pizza on order, picking the kid up early, and she, my wife and I, will all be in our T-Wolves stuff. Draft Day is like Christmas. Party on!


So you have the adult version?

(https://fanatics.frgimages.com/FFImage/thumb.aspx?i=/productimages/_3309000/ff_3309091-49ce594da78369db1cb1_full.jpg&w=340)
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Nekov on June 21, 2019, 05:56:51 AM
Summer free agency. You heard it here first. D'Angelo Russell (and his special Arizona Iced Tea) to Minnesota in a sign and trade that brings Dario Saric, Jeff Teague, and a pick to the Nets.

I guess with Saric gone and the rumors that the Nets are not sure about Kyrie, this is not happening
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: bosk1 on June 21, 2019, 08:07:23 AM
Is it wrong that I have friends coming over to watch the draft Thursday night?

Dude, I've got pizza on order, picking the kid up early, and she, my wife and I, will all be in our T-Wolves stuff. Draft Day is like Christmas. Party on!


So you have the adult version?

(https://fanatics.frgimages.com/FFImage/thumb.aspx?i=/productimages/_3309000/ff_3309091-49ce594da78369db1cb1_full.jpg&w=340)

No, I...I actually think he could fit into that one.  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Let's make the Finals super long with bad scheduling
Post by: Samsara on June 21, 2019, 11:36:37 AM
Summer free agency. You heard it here first. D'Angelo Russell (and his special Arizona Iced Tea) to Minnesota in a sign and trade that brings Dario Saric, Jeff Teague, and a pick to the Nets.

I guess with Saric gone and the rumors that the Nets are not sure about Kyrie, this is not happening

Not at all. Sign and trade is basically not going to happen, as the Nets wanted to shed salary. They are likely going to renounce Russell, which will leave him unrestricted. So all its a matter of is the Wolves shedding enough salary (which is essentially Teague) to offer a max deal to Russell. He and KAT are best friends, and have been talking about playing together. It's all a matter, IMO, if the Wolves finding a taker for Teague. My guess is - Phoenix. Teague has an expiring 19 million, which is all it will basically take.

TAC - love the onesie. I'd wear it.  :lol

p.s. good draft by the Wolves. Saric doesn't fit, and getting rid of him and the 11th for Culver was a great move. My guess is, they probably wanted Garland, and that way didn't have to spend to get Russell. But now with Culver in the fold, I totally see them parting with Teague and bringing in a franchise PG who is young and on the upswing. Tentatively, this may be the Wolves starting 5:

Towns
Covington
Wiggins
Culver
Russell

That's pretty solid. Towns is a 25/15 guy, Covington is 14/7, Wiggins will be 20/4/3, Culver being a rookie, all I expect is 10/3/3, with good defense, and Russell will be 20/8 on the Wolves. The bench is full of wings, so the Wolves are athletic and will pay with a lot of pace. I like it. The key is ditching Teague, so we can get Russell. FIngers-crossed.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Nekov on June 21, 2019, 12:39:15 PM
Phoenix did everything wrong yesterday, so they might give you guys a hand with Teague. They can't be worse off than they are right now
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on June 21, 2019, 01:21:25 PM
Phoenix did everything wrong yesterday, so they might give you guys a hand with Teague. They can't be worse off than they are right now

Personally, I thought other than Ja Morant, the draft was thin at PG. I mean, the Bulls were thrilled with White, and that's fine. But I felt, and still feel, like both Culver and Garland are better players, and there is a drop in ability level, significantly, from Garland to White, at the point guard spot. Perhaps they thought so too.

Teague would be a good fit for the Suns next year. If he's healthy, he'll be really good, but he dribbles too much. He's hesitant to shoot, but with Booker on the squad, Teague doesn't need to. It makes a TON of sense for PHX if they have 19 million in room to take Teague for one year. Then they can explore a more permanent, long-term PG solution in the next draft. But we'll see.

If I were the Wolves, and the Suns showed interest in Teague, and as the Wolves, I knew Russell was an absolute through back channels (aka Karl-Anthony Towns), I'd pretty much offer whatever sweetner that the Suns wanted to make the trade. Russell takes the Wolves to another level now, with Towns entering his prime, Covington healthy and ready, and Wiggins (if they keep him) primed for a breakout season (I'm holding out hope for one more season). Again, fingers crossed the Wolves find a way with Russell. It puts us in good position to get back to the playoffs next year, and continuing to add young great talent to make a run in the next few years.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Lonk on June 25, 2019, 05:09:47 AM
Glad Giannis won MVP, more deserving than harden.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Nekov on June 25, 2019, 05:50:08 AM
Am I the only one who really didn't care about those? Having this ceremony after the playoffs are finished and we have a champion is complete nonsense. Doing this right after the season ends would be great, but now I'm just interested in free agency. The season has been over for too long
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 25, 2019, 05:52:45 AM
Am I the only one who really didn't care about those? Having this ceremony after the playoffs are finished and we have a champion is complete nonsense. Doing this right after the season ends would be great, but now I'm just interested in free agency. The season has been over for too long

I agree! Regular season awards feel a bit "meh" after the playoffs. I think they should go back to handing them out right when the postseason begins.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: T-ski on June 25, 2019, 06:27:04 AM
I  :heart Giannis.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Lonk on June 25, 2019, 07:11:54 AM
Am I the only one who really didn't care about those? Having this ceremony after the playoffs are finished and we have a champion is complete nonsense. Doing this right after the season ends would be great, but now I'm just interested in free agency. The season has been over for too long

I see it 2 ways.

1) It is less distracting to the players. Waiting for an award in the middle of the playoffs (winning or losing) could be distracting and affect your performance on a game that could affect the outcome of the series.

2) It is very annoying to have to wait so long, specially since these are regular season awards. They could have these awards handed out before the playoffs start. If you want to have a ceremony, just end regular season a week earlier, or start the playoff some days later to give players time to receive the award and get ready for the playoffs.

But, this officially marks the end of the 18-19 season. I am hyped for free agency and to see what happens.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on June 25, 2019, 07:58:01 AM
Am I the only one who really didn't care about those? Having this ceremony after the playoffs are finished and we have a champion is complete nonsense. Doing this right after the season ends would be great, but now I'm just interested in free agency. The season has been over for too long

I see it 2 ways.

1) It is less distracting to the players. Waiting for an award in the middle of the playoffs (winning or losing) could be distracting and affect your performance on a game that could affect the outcome of the series.

2) It is very annoying to have to wait so long, specially since these are regular season awards. They could have these awards handed out before the playoffs start. If you want to have a ceremony, just end regular season a week earlier, or start the playoff some days later to give players time to receive the award and get ready for the playoffs.

But, this officially marks the end of the 18-19 season. I am hyped for free agency and to see what happens.

Agreed with all this. The solution is to give the players a week off before the playoffs start, and do it that week.

Can't wait for the drama to unfold. Going to be crazy. Hope you all get what you want for your teams. Except for Denver. The Nuggets can suck it.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on June 26, 2019, 08:10:21 AM
Any predictions for free agency? Here are a couple I'm going with:

Kemba Walker to the Celtics.

Kyrie Irving to the Nets.

Kawhi Leonard stays with the Raptors.

Klay Thompson re-signs with Golden State.

Kevin Durant re-signs with Golden State.

Jimmy Butler signs with the Nets.

Khris Middleton re-signs with the Bucks.

Brook Lopez re-signs with the Bucks.

Malcolm Brogdon re-signs with the Bucks.

Tobias Harris signs with the Knicks.

D'Angelo Russell signs with the Wolves (I am reaching here, based on being a Wolves fan boy and knowing how close he is to Karl-Anthony Towns, and the Wolves have the ability to pull off a couple of moves to gain cap space, but my gut tells me he doesn't want to be in Phoenix or Indiana). IF LAL doesn't sign Cousins, I could see Russell going back to the Lakers.

Al Horford signs with ATL. (Just a feeling on this one.)

Demarcus Cousins signs with the Lakers.

Biggest free agency loser - Los Angeles Clippers
Biggest free agency winner - Bucks/GS for making sure they bring back their players.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: KevShmev on June 26, 2019, 12:18:06 PM
Between them releasing a long list of supposed missed calls in last year's conference finals and then whining on Twitter the other night when Harden did not win the MVP instead of gracefully conceding, the Houston Rockets have become a very unlikable franchise.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: King Postwhore on June 26, 2019, 01:00:44 PM
Kevin Durant re-signs with Golden State.


I don't see this happening.  He seems upset with the way they handled his injury.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on June 26, 2019, 01:16:00 PM
Kevin Durant re-signs with Golden State.


I don't see this happening.  He seems upset with the way they handled his injury.

I felt that way at first. But that's a LOT of money he'd be leaving on the table. And endorsement-wise, the difference in being in NY, LA or San Fran is negligible. But thought is always look at where the money is, because the majority of the time, that's what's going to be the deciding factor, all other issues being equal.

If the Warriors were NOT moving and opening a new building in downtown SF next year, I would have said he'd walk or they'd let him walk. But they want the stars signed. And the biggest three on the Ws are Durant, Curry, and Thompson in that order. If that means trading Green mid-way through next season (since he'll be on an expiring), you do it. I've come around to a degree on Green's value. But I think he's still fourth best on that team, and NOT worth a max deal that he certainly wants. Let him be someone else's headache.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Lonk on June 26, 2019, 02:29:36 PM
I sure hope the knicks get a lot more than Tobias Harris. But I know that's wishful thinking.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on June 26, 2019, 02:53:07 PM
I sure hope the knicks get a lot more than Tobias Harris. But I know that's wishful thinking.

The Knicks were my second favorite team to the Wolves. I got into hoops in 1988/1989, and living in NY, I didn't get to see the Wolves on TV except for the two times they played the Knicks, and two times they played the Nets each year (I remember seeing a game or so against the Hawks back in the day on TBS), at least back then, before TNT opened things up in the early 1990s. So, I've always rooted for the Knicks too. But I just can't see why any marquee (top-5) player would come to the Knicks unless they are desperate for cash.

I hate saying that, but its true. Dolan is trash as an owner, and that plays a huge part. More than people think, particularly if your owner acts like Dolan does. HUGE turn-off. Add to that, that the Knicks have sucked for the better part of 20 years. The last time they were in the NBA finals was 20 years ago. They have, maybe, three guys worth keeping on the roster (RJ Barrett, Mitchell Robinson, Kevin Knox). You can make a case for Dennis Smith Jr., but honestly, I think he's average. And finally, while NYC is NYC, any marketing opportunity in this day and age can be equally as good in any major city. LA, Chicago, San Francisco, hell, even Miami. You don't NEED to be in NY, and face that kind of media scrutiny.

What the Knicks need to do, IMO, is sign Tobias Harris (who grew up 20 minutes from me in West Islip, Long Island), who is young at 27, but a vet of seven or eight years already, and focus big time on youth development. Make the change from within, with a couple of really good team pieces/leaders like Harris that you import, who you know can handle the spotlight. Hell, even a pairing of Kemba Walker/Tobias Harris is a better fit to me, than Durant/Irving. Because Walker/Harris are team guys, whereas Irving and Durant are divas and need to be the spotlight guy.

A BIG win for the Knicks would be the Walker/Harris combo. Forget all this Durant crap. Sign Walker and Harris, develop your pieces, and keep adding.

The Nets, IMO, are making a HUGE, HUGE mistake by letting D.Lo go for Irving. The Nets have a great TEAM. They need to add to it, not exchange point guards for an older model who arguably caused the Celtics to underachieve.

The Knicks need to be the smarter team, and add the right KINDS of personalities to the roster who can perform. Harris and Walker are hometown guys, AND they are team-oriented. That should be the focus. But most Knicks fans would think of that as a loss. To me, those would be BRILLIANT additions.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: T-ski on June 26, 2019, 03:29:05 PM
Any predictions for free agency? Here are a couple I'm going with:


Khris Middleton re-signs with the Bucks.

Brook Lopez re-signs with the Bucks.

Malcolm Brogdon re-signs with the Bucks.


Middleton's contract is going to kill the Bucks if they don't win the championship in the next 2 years.  Bucks fans do not feel he is worth a max/near max deal and that is what he is going to get.  Middleton is a second tier player and signing him to a first tier contract is stupid.

Brogdon is a true wild card.  Being restricted there is a very good possibility someone offers him a deal the Bucks simply won't be able to match.  I'd rather overpay for Brogdon than Middleton at this point.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on June 27, 2019, 01:19:55 PM
The Lakers just opened up space for a full max, trading the last of the roster to the Wizards.

So they now have:

Lebron
Kuzma
Anthony Davis (as of July 6)

And 32 million in space to either add a full max player, or split it up to bring in two people. Jesus Christ. So many options. My gut tells me that guys will take the minimum to flock to Lebron and AD. Imagine if they land Leonard or Thompson (I don't find either likely, but you never know)? Or if Kyrie spurns the Nets and goes with Lebron again? Damn Lakers. This is crazy.

My gut tells me they will max someone. A move I think makes a lot of sense is to offer D'Angelo Russell a max deal at 21.5 (he can sign a max of 4/86), assuming the Nets renounce his rights, making him unrestricted per season, leaving 10.5 for shooter. Then fill in the rest of the gaps with vet minimum guys like Carmelo Anthony. Crazy shit right here.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on June 27, 2019, 01:59:30 PM
Leonard will not be going to the Lakers.  Make bank on that.  One thing he said on more than one occasion was that during his rehab last summer, he was not content to come back as a #2 or #3 option.  His only goal was to get healthy to the point he was the #1 option on his team.  No way he's gonna play 2nd or 3rd fiddle to LBJ or AD.

It's a toss up between Clippers and Raptors.

And I think Clay has too much loyalty to the Warriors.  He'll re-sign there.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Azyiu on June 27, 2019, 07:04:03 PM
The Lakers just opened up space for a full max, trading the last of the roster to the Wizards.

So they now have:

Lebron
Kuzma
Anthony Davis (as of July 6)

And 32 million in space to either add a full max player, or split it up to bring in two people. Jesus Christ. So many options. My gut tells me that guys will take the minimum to flock to Lebron and AD. Imagine if they land Leonard or Thompson (I don't find either likely, but you never know)? Or if Kyrie spurns the Nets and goes with Lebron again? Damn Lakers. This is crazy.

My gut tells me they will max someone. A move I think makes a lot of sense is to offer D'Angelo Russell a max deal at 21.5 (he can sign a max of 4/86), assuming the Nets renounce his rights, making him unrestricted per season, leaving 10.5 for shooter. Then fill in the rest of the gaps with vet minimum guys like Carmelo Anthony. Crazy shit right here.

Even as a Lakers fan, I think I am with jingle.boy and I doubt Kawhi would come to the Lakers. That being said, I really do not mind having D-Lo again, but we need more shooters; Melo just isn't the answer even at vet minimum. Let's see what happen.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: dparrott on June 27, 2019, 07:36:28 PM
Not soon after I buy a Kemba shirt he's taking off.  Dammit.  At least he's a Hornets legend.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on June 28, 2019, 07:47:27 AM
Re: Leonard. I'm not so sure. The door is open a little, because he's giving them a meeting. If Kobe, Magic, Shaq, and some others all show up, he may be persuaded, if they can show how Kawhi, not Lebron, would be the focal point. I agree that Kawhi isn't going to a team where he has to defer. The man has two rings himself, and unlike Lebron, Kawhi won one of them with (no offense, Raptors fans) role players. If I'm Kawhi, I stay in Toronto. But...but...why give the Lakers and Clippers meetings if he's not going there. The Lakers don't always get what they want, but if Kawhi wasn't at least interested, he wouldn't have agreed to a meeting.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 28, 2019, 09:02:07 AM
In my opinion, the Lakers should have two plans:

A) Sign Kawhi

B) If that doesn't work out, sign two or three good role players, even if Butler, Kemba, or Kyrie want to sign. Those players are good, but their value will diminish next to AD and LeBron... Or worse, they will take away from AD and LeBron.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on June 28, 2019, 09:34:44 AM
Any FA should grant as meetings to as many serious teams as possible - at the very least for leverage.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on June 28, 2019, 11:03:05 AM
Any FA should grant as meetings to as many serious teams as possible - at the very least for leverage.

No leverage is necessary when you're not going to make anything less than a max deal. That max deal is set in stone, regardless of where he goes.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TAC on June 28, 2019, 07:31:20 PM
Not soon after I buy a Kemba shirt he's taking off.  Dammit.  At least he's a Hornets legend.

My kids each have Thomas and Irving tshirts. :lol

I have a Crowder one! :facepalm: :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: T-ski on June 30, 2019, 07:18:33 AM
my schedule got changed for work and now I'll miss the first hour of the free agency period.

still dreading Middleton getting maxed.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on June 30, 2019, 09:16:15 AM
T-ski, I've always liked Middleton. I don't believe he's a max guy either, but the Bucks can't afford to lose him.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on June 30, 2019, 03:13:42 PM
Well, the East just got more interesting with Durant/Irving/Jordan heading to Brooklyn.  :omg:
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: King Postwhore on June 30, 2019, 04:19:20 PM
Not for another year though.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on June 30, 2019, 04:35:49 PM
Irving and Jordan are now.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on June 30, 2019, 04:40:02 PM
Brogdan to Indiana.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Azyiu on June 30, 2019, 04:46:23 PM
KD, Kyrie and D.Jordan are all joining the Nets... Thought KD would stay...
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: King Postwhore on June 30, 2019, 06:05:21 PM
Irving and Jordan are now.

Yeah, not scary. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TAC on June 30, 2019, 06:44:00 PM
The Nets are paying a shit ton of money to Durant, which to me, feels like a huge gamble. They're paying his salary for rehabbing next year, and then who knows what he'll be like after that.

Honestly, it feels like they were too worried about pissing off Kyrie right off the bat, had they passed on KD.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: King Postwhore on June 30, 2019, 06:49:10 PM
I think when KD is back and it will take time with feeling 100% then the Nets are scary AF.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: T-ski on June 30, 2019, 06:53:14 PM
Brogdan to Indiana.

thats a big contract for Brogdon, at least the Bucks got some picks out of the deal which is good because they've traded a lot of them over the past couple of years. also created a big trade exception which could help facilitate another big move later.

don't like the Middleton contract, probably an overpay to keep Lopez and Hill too, but it is what it is.

Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TAC on June 30, 2019, 07:05:00 PM
I think when KD is back and it will take time with feeling 100% then the Nets are scary AF.

A two year run?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: King Postwhore on June 30, 2019, 07:11:08 PM
Maybe. I think it might take 2 years for Durant to get right and they all signed for 4 I think.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: KevShmev on June 30, 2019, 07:16:34 PM
I'll be surprised if Durant is ever the player again that he was before.  Those achilles injuries are career killers.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: King Postwhore on June 30, 2019, 07:27:40 PM
Horford to the 6'ers.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on June 30, 2019, 07:32:14 PM
Butler to Miami
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: King Postwhore on June 30, 2019, 07:34:37 PM
Butler is his own worst enemy.   
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on June 30, 2019, 07:36:55 PM
76rs and Celtics are likely bottom seeded playoff teams now. If the Raps don’t get Leonard, they will be too.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Lonk on June 30, 2019, 07:37:56 PM
Guess I’m gonna have to go to some NETS games next season
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TAC on June 30, 2019, 07:40:04 PM
76rs and Celtics are likely bottom seeded playoff teams now. If the Raps don’t get Leonard, they will be too.

How so?

Bucks
Pacers
Raptors w/Leonard
6ers
Celts

That Leonard out and the Raps are out of the Top 5.


The Nets will NOT finish above the Philly or Boston. I hope that's not what you're implying.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: King Postwhore on June 30, 2019, 07:44:05 PM
We all thought the C's were the #1 seed last year.  How'd that turn out?  So we will all have see how free agency progresses and see how next season does as well.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Lonk on June 30, 2019, 07:50:01 PM
And all the knicks get is randle...guess that’s better than nothing.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TAC on June 30, 2019, 08:00:43 PM
We all thought the C's were the #1 seed last year.  How'd that turn out?  So we will all have see how free agency progresses and see how next season does as well.

I'm not saying they're going to win the conference, but I'm not sure who has moved past them. They were the 4 seed this year and were a clusterfuck all season long. Granted, Olidipo getting hurt helped them.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: King Postwhore on June 30, 2019, 08:02:20 PM
I'm not worried about the Nets this season.   Moving forward,  it may be different.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TAC on June 30, 2019, 08:05:29 PM
See you in 2 years.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on June 30, 2019, 08:09:53 PM
76rs and Celtics are likely bottom seeded playoff teams now. If the Raps don’t get Leonard, they will be too.

How so?

Bucks
Pacers
Raptors w/Leonard
6ers
Celts

That Leonard out and the Raps are out of the Top 5.


The Nets will NOT finish above the Philly or Boston. I hope that's not what you're implying.

Not sure how the Pacers leapfrog the NBA Champs. Maybe the Celts hold on to #4, but with Butler, I think Miami jumps up to at least 5-6 seed - along with the Nets. Both could push up to 4. 76rs are dropping. Dis Butler all you want, his talent is undeniable.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TAC on June 30, 2019, 08:11:16 PM
Not sure how the Pacers leapfrog the NBA Champs.

It's more of a list than a ranking.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on June 30, 2019, 08:16:03 PM
Not sure how the Pacers leapfrog the NBA Champs.

It's more of a list than a ranking.

Gotchya. Seemed like the latter when I read it.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Azyiu on June 30, 2019, 09:54:30 PM
Iguodala is traded to Memphis... for 3 first round picks in 2024, 25 & 26
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on July 01, 2019, 05:18:30 AM
Iguodala is traded to Memphis... for 3 first round picks in 2024, 25 & 26

Did not see that coming.  Rumour is Memphis is gonna re-sign Valanciunas, so it seems they are looking to improve right now.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: T-ski on July 01, 2019, 06:24:59 AM
Bucks signed Robin Lopez.  With both Lopez brothers domination is inevitable.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on July 01, 2019, 08:35:59 AM
I'm crushed. A big F U to the Warriors.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Lonk on July 01, 2019, 09:32:53 AM
I'm crushed. A big F U to the Warriors.

I honestly don't understand that move by the Warriors, Specially when Klay comes back (Probably mid season).
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on July 01, 2019, 09:33:36 AM
I'm crushed. A big F U to the Warriors.

I honestly don't understand that move by the Warriors, Specially when Klay comes back (Probably mid season).

I just read that they could flip him. My fingers are crossed.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on July 01, 2019, 12:35:31 PM
I am so down, I am wishing the Wolves would flip Teague's expiring 19 million, Dieng's 33 mil (two years) and Wiggins' 127 million (4 years) to the Wizards for Beal...and John Wall's albatross contract. That's how down I am. At least then, Wolves would have Towns and Beal. Gives Wizards salary cap relief in consecutive seasons, which is what they want. We could sweeten the deal with a lottery protected first rounder.

Ugh. So disappointed.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: bosk1 on July 01, 2019, 12:36:15 PM
I'm crushed. A big F U to the Warriors.

???  For...?
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on July 01, 2019, 12:39:39 PM
I'm crushed. A big F U to the Warriors.

???  For...?

Swooping in at the 11th hour and putting a better deal on the table to the Nets to get D'Angelo Russell. We had him, and then GS jumped in, and we were done.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: bosk1 on July 01, 2019, 12:42:44 PM
Oh.  If it's any consolation, I'm not sure they are intent on keeping him.  He seems like an odd fit for their style of play.  So it may be part of a sign-and-trade.  But not sure.  With KD and Iguodala gone, and Klay out for next season, it's hard to say what they have in mind.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on July 01, 2019, 12:53:15 PM
Oh.  If it's any consolation, I'm not sure they are intent on keeping him.  He seems like an odd fit for their style of play.  So it may be part of a sign-and-trade.  But not sure.  With KD and Iguodala gone, and Klay out for next season, it's hard to say what they have in mind.

My hope and prayer is, they will trade with Minnesota D'Angelo wanted to play with Karl, and was fully committed to signing. But I think what happened was that Minnesota was finding their trade partners who had cap room signing people, and it was getting more difficult to come up with a financial pathway. I'm hoping, sincerely hoping, that the Warriors ultimately send him to Minnesota. Everyone who is a Minny fan was CRUSHED yesterday. But who knows.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Lonk on July 01, 2019, 08:59:47 PM
The Warriors are going to retired jersey #35, they should retire #8 as well.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Azyiu on July 01, 2019, 09:03:31 PM
Once a serious MVP candidate, Isaiah Thomas now becomes just another journeyman... IT is signing a one year deal with the Wiz
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TAC on July 02, 2019, 06:12:23 AM
Once a serious MVP candidate, Isaiah Thomas now becomes just another journeyman... IT is signing a one year deal with the Wiz

Seems that John Wall will miss some major time this season. I really do wish Isaiah well. He should've been the MVP in his last season here. He put that team on his back, and it was one of the most amazing experiences of my sports life here.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on July 02, 2019, 09:34:53 AM
Once a serious MVP candidate, Isaiah Thomas now becomes just another journeyman... IT is signing a one year deal with the Wiz

Seems that John Wall will miss some major time this season. I really do wish Isaiah well. He should've been the MVP in his last season here. He put that team on his back, and it was one of the most amazing experiences of my sports life here.

I've been a huge fan of Thomas since he came into the league. You know I have no love for the Celtics, but what he did for that team was unbelievable. To be honest, Ainge should have signed him back this season to be a primary backup guard to Walker and Brown. Really a shame he didn't. Ainge did Thomas wrong. And even though I get it, that it was the best thing for the Celtics, given the injury, it still stings.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Azyiu on July 06, 2019, 12:04:42 AM
After days of thinking, Kawhi decides to join the Clippers... The Clippers also get Paul George from OKC via trade, details to come
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on July 06, 2019, 04:55:03 AM
That's a bummer.  I was hoping for a 2-year bridge deal with Toronto that would get him to super-max territory, but alas, the allure of doing it all over again (taking a team over the top) back home was too much.  I'm thrilled he didn't go to the Lakers.  That would've been bad for the league.

The West just got an overhaul, that's for sure.

Interesting how both finals teams will (most likely) be vying just to be a bottom seeded playoff team.  But come 2020/21, both ought to be back in the mix (with Clay back, and Raptors having tons of money to spend).
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: KevShmev on July 06, 2019, 06:08:17 AM
Lakers got trolled for a week. Love it. Savage move by Leonard to not only not go there, but to go to the Clippers. :lol :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: King Postwhore on July 06, 2019, 10:35:56 AM
Sorry Chad.  That cat drums to his own weird beat.  To pick the Clippers seems so damn weird even though he's a L.A. guy.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: bosk1 on July 06, 2019, 12:07:38 PM
He is weird.  But I think the Clippers actually makes sense. Part of his oddness (and I think this somewhat applies to Durant as well, but to a lesser degree) is that he HAS TO be the top dog on his team, and I think he ultimately values that more than championships, even if he may not say that out loud.  His team has to really be "his team.". He would not have that dynamic on "LeBron's team."
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: KevShmev on July 06, 2019, 12:22:52 PM
And that is what I found weird about some NBA players.  They are too concerned with being "the man" than anything else.  Heck, some in-the-know have said that one of the reasons Durant left GS is because he knew it would be always be Steph Curry's team, and he couldn't deal with that.  Those alpha males sometimes get their priorities out of whack.  :lol :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Lonk on July 06, 2019, 03:53:10 PM
It works for some, not for other. Kyrie left Cleveland to be “the man” in Boston and that didn’t work out.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TAC on July 06, 2019, 04:11:04 PM
It works for some, not for other. Kyrie left Cleveland to be “the man” in Boston and that didn’t work out.

That's because Kyrie was a douche.


And that is what I found weird about some NBA players.  They are too concerned with being "the man" than anything else.  Heck, some in-the-know have said that one of the reasons Durant left GS is because he knew it would be always be Steph Curry's team, and he couldn't deal with that.  Those alpha males sometimes get their priorities out of whack.  :lol :lol

I feel like Kawhi is different, in that while he is an alpha dog, it may not be in the traditional sense, or in the dickhead sense. I don't know of it was so much playing with Lebron, as it was playing under the "spectacle" of Lebron.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on July 06, 2019, 08:49:34 PM
Clippers was always going to be the draw.  I think he wants the challenge of taking a team over the hump.  He's also a pretty reserved guy, so under the spotlight or the Lakers 'aura' wouldn't be his bag.  There's less of that associated with the Clippers.  Even with Kawhi, the Clippers will NEVER be the #1 LA team.  The glitz and glam of the Lakers is something I don't think he'd be up for.  Which is possibly part of the reason that he left the Raptors.  He was 'the man' for a market of 36M people.  Even the Lakers or Knicks couldn't compare to that.

There was a great article on SportsNet about his choice.  I don't think too many Canadian fans are gonna be mad at his decision - sad and disappointed, sure.  But, he was traded here, he never pretended to be anything he wasn't, and he just came and embraced his role/situation, and delivered the goods.  How can anyone be mad at that??

Rumour is that Ujiri might have had an offer from OKC for George and Westbrook, centered around giving back Siakim.  Not sure if it was a real offer or just OKC's way of extracting more out of the Clippers for George.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: KevShmev on July 06, 2019, 09:20:01 PM


I feel like Kawhi is different, in that while he is an alpha dog, it may not be in the traditional sense, or in the dickhead sense. I don't know of it was so much playing with Lebron, as it was playing under the "spectacle" of Lebron.

Agreed.  As I have opined before, basketball players really worry about getting credit for winning, and it has reached the point where when LBJ's team wins, he gets all the credit, and when his team loses, it is everyone else's fault, and even though that usually was the case, I can see why players don't want to put themselves in a situation where you get little to no credit for winning and a lot of blame for losing.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: dparrott on July 07, 2019, 12:47:52 AM
Dodgers, Rams, Lakers. Clips...this is going to be a fun year for L.A.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on July 08, 2019, 10:01:17 AM
With all of the Kawhi/George stuff, now it looks like (not surprisingly if he was offered in a trade to Toronto) Westbrook may be on the move. Reports are Detroit and Miami with significant interest. Particularly the latter. Pairing with General Soreness would be good for him.

I heard the "Kawhi will stay in Toronto if Toronto trades for Westbrook and George" rumor was more than a rumor. And that Ujiri turned it down BECAUSE he did not want to part with Siakim. IF that is true, Ujiri is an idiot. You make that trade. I don't care what the cost is. Toronto had a chance to secure its place with a dynasty (again, IF that proposed trade went down), and to not do it because Siakim was the gem that OKC wanted? That would be absolutely asinine to turn down. Again, IF it was true.

Overall, what a crazy last couple of weeks. Memphis just offered Tyus Jones three years, 28 million. I suspect the Wolves will match. If they don't, it means that Gerrson Rosas has a potential trade for another PG in the works. Because you can't enter the season with Jeff Teague, and no other PGs on the roster.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on July 08, 2019, 11:50:53 AM
I don't think Ujiri is an idiot at all. Given how much the Clippers gave back OKC for just George, I have to believe that they were asking for about that many picks and additional support players for both RW and PG. And seeing as how both only have 2 years before being FAs, that is mortgaging a very long future for 2 years of potential success. I think Ujiri is playing for long term succcess, and betting on his own ability to rebuild a championship contender when he's got $90M and all his picks after next season. I'm good with that. If they are in no-mans land come Feb, he's got assets in Lowry, Gasol, and Ibaka that could be moved for picks or upcoming talent.

It's not like the deal was Siakim for RW+PG.  How does he afford three max players when he's already got Ibaka, Gasol, Lowry at $23M, $25M, and $33M respectively? 

The Raps will reset this year, and build towards success for 2020 and beyond. Hell, Giannis is an FA
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on July 08, 2019, 12:57:39 PM
I don't think Ujiri is an idiot at all. Given how much the Clippers gave back OKC for just George, I have to believe that they were asking for about that many picks and additional support players for both RW and PG. And seeing as how both only have 2 years before being FAs, that is mortgaging a very long future for 2 years of potential success. I think Ujiri is playing for long term succcess, and betting on his own ability to rebuild a championship contender when he's got $90M and all his picks after next season. I'm good with that. If they are in no-mans land come Feb, he's got assets in Lowry, Gasol, and Ibaka that could be moved for picks or upcoming talent.

It's not like the deal was Siakim for RW+PG.  How does he afford three max players when he's already got Ibaka, Gasol, Lowry at $23M, $25M, and $33M respectively? 

The Raps will reset this year, and build towards success for 2020 and beyond. Hell, Giannis is an FA

If he didn't pull the trigger on a deal that would have netted him three top-10 players in the NBA (George is arguably top 10, but I say more top-15), by including in the trade Siakam, then yes, he is an idiot. Yes, long term success, yadda, yadda, yadda. You had a dynasty window that would only get wider if you had KL, RW, PG, and whoever else. My guess is Siakam, along with Lowry, would be on the move to OKC in such a deal, as would picks, and contracts to make it all work.

Mortgaging the future for two more years of success? If you build a winner, particularly in a world class city like Toronto (which I think has been proven), the free agents will come. This potential trade we heard about would cost picks, for sure. But that would be overcome by the amount of star talent that after those two years, would head to Toronto on the strength of its championship pedigree, which would have continued if the scenario above came to fruition.

Sorry man. But IF there was indeed a scenario that the Raptors could have fielded a team with Kawhi Leonard, Russell Westbrook, and Paul George, that should have been done. And if that was all possible, and I think it was, then the absolute wrong move was made by Ujiri.

You can talk about resetting all you want. You need bold moves in today's NBA. The Clippers made those moves, and now they have your NBA Finals MVP, along with another top-15 guy, and a team of good role players. And Toronto has...an aging group with Siakam as its one potential All Star.

I feel for you and other Raptors fans. If this is how you're going to spin it to make yourself feel better, I get it (remember, I'm a Wolves fan, we've had like four decent years in 30). But bottom line, a mistake was made. And the Raptors pretty much are one and done. I don't see them being relevant in the NBA for a long time to come.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on July 08, 2019, 02:08:14 PM
Well, you’re free to have your opinion. I’ll trust the guy that built the championship team, and a 5-year winner over your beliefs. I seem to recall kev guaranteeing that Nurse blew the chip with that I’ll timed timeout in game 5.  I personally feel your opinion is as wrong as that statement is. I think Toronto already has the pedigree to attract top talent. We’ll find out next year at this time.

And if we’re still both here in 5-6 years, I’ll bet the Raps are in better shape than the Clippers.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on July 08, 2019, 02:16:03 PM
Well, you’re free to have your opinion. I’ll trust the guy that built the championship team, and a 5-year winner over your beliefs. I seem to recall kev guaranteeing that Nurse blew the chip with that I’ll timed timeout in game 5.  I personally feel your opinion is as wrong as that statement is. I think Toronto already has the pedigree to attract top talent. We’ll find out next year at this time.

And if we’re still both here in 5-6 years, I’ll bet the Raps are in better shape than the Clippers.

Honestly, I hope you ARE right. I've always liked the Raptors. And Kevin was wrong, and I also thought he was wrong, if you remember (turns out, we we right). But I wasn't talking about five-to-six years. Toronto finally won a ring. And in a very Florida/Miami Marlins-like fashion, sold the farm off right after winning in 1997. But unlike the first time, where they rebounded in six years to win another, I don't see the Raptors having the same level of rebound potential. Remember, they got NOTHING in return from Kawhi leaving. At least the Marlins got the farm system stocked when they made their second title run.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: KevShmev on July 08, 2019, 03:52:05 PM
I can't get on board with any scenario that requires trading for Russell Westbrook and that albatross of a contract, not to mention that his style of play is not conducive to winning playoff basketball with him as the lead dog.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on July 08, 2019, 10:27:27 PM
Remember, they got NOTHING in return from Kawhi leaving.

But that was always the risk. Hell, when the trade was made, some were speculating he might not even report to the Raptors. It was always a high stakes move. BIG gamble - high risk, high reward. Fortunately, all the stars aligned to get the prize. Anything beyond won-and-done would have been gravy.  That was always understood - at least around here it was. If they didn't at least make the finals, there was no hope in him returning. Hell, maybe there never ever was any chance. We all knew it was a big gamble by Ujiri.

Depending on what reports you believe, some say there was never any real chance of that rumoured trade ... that OKC was only playing that card for leverage with LAC. I also heard a report that without George, Leonard was ready to sign with the Lakers. So if Ujiri makes the supposed deal, and Kahwi goes to the Lakers, then what?  The Raps might've ended up with 2 players that were the cornerstone of a team that couldn't do shit anyway, and in 2 years they walk, leaving Ujiri with 10lbs of nothing in a 5lb bag. No Siakim, no picks.

LAC made the big gamble this year. Anything less than at least a finals appearance next year will be a disappointment.  And when Clay comes back in 20/21, the West is that much tougher.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 09, 2019, 07:41:07 AM
Calling Ujiri an idiot based on one decision after years upon years of good decisions is just wrong. So the guy builds an entire career as one of the most respected executives in the league, but is suddenly an idiot because he [1] rejected a trade proposal that may not have even existed and [2] we're just going to assume it was a terrible decision even though Westbrook is on the decline, Paul George just had double-shoulder surgery, Kawhi Leonard has a bum leg, and the financial implications of paying those guys may have been catastrophic.

And who cares if the Raptors got nothing in return from Kawhi leaving? They were a middling playoff team before he came and they'll be a middling playoff team now that he's gone. They won the championship. They became relevant for the first time in 25 years. I don't know why this is even something we're discussing. :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on July 09, 2019, 08:15:59 AM
Calling Ujiri an idiot based on one decision after years upon years of good decisions is just wrong. So the guy builds an entire career as one of the most respected executives in the league, but is suddenly an idiot because he [1] rejected a trade proposal that may not have even existed and [2] we're just going to assume it was a terrible decision even though Westbrook is on the decline, Paul George just had double-shoulder surgery, Kawhi Leonard has a bum leg, and the financial implications of paying those guys may have been catastrophic.

And who cares if the Raptors got nothing in return from Kawhi leaving? They were a middling playoff team before he came and they'll be a middling playoff team now that he's gone. They won the championship. They became relevant for the first time in 25 years. I don't know why this is even something we're discussing. :lol

The guy was allegedly presented a deal that would enable him to keep his Finals MVP, AND import both Paul George AND Russell Westbrook. And he turned it down, allegedly, because he wanted to keep a young forward who has shown All Star potential. So you turn down three HOFers, in the primes of their career, and likely a few more straight NBA Finals appearances, and probably another ring, maybe two, because you wanted to keep Siakam. And let's not be dramatic with the injuries. George will be fine. Westbrook had one "down" year, and still averaged a triple double. And he's 31, not 35. Stop. They are in their primes, and the Raptors didn't make it happen, because they wanted to keep a young guy who they developed. They passed on three HOFers, in their prime, including their own Finals MVP, because they wanted to keep some former G-leaguer that they developed who has All Star potential.

Tell me again how that's not idiotic? Trust me, I know idiotic when I see it. My team is the Timberwolves, after all.  :rollin

I understand the financial concerns. You basically wrap up 110 million in three guys. I totally get it. But if you want to win in this league, you need to spend. That's just the nature of it. The Warriors spend. The Cavs, with James, spent. And let's be real. The Raptors wouldn't have won this year if the Warriors were fully healthy in the playoffs. No one wants to outright say that, but that's the truth, and deep down, every Raptor fan knows it. Lord knows I don't want the Warriors winning, but the truth is what it is. The teams who spend, and bring in the high profile talent, generally win.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Azyiu on July 09, 2019, 08:21:40 AM
Maybe Ujiri is a Clippers fan at heart, and he wanted them to do good?  :lol Hell! His team has just won an improbable title, so what's more there to prove? Lol!  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 09, 2019, 10:07:41 AM
Calling Ujiri an idiot based on one decision after years upon years of good decisions is just wrong. So the guy builds an entire career as one of the most respected executives in the league, but is suddenly an idiot because he [1] rejected a trade proposal that may not have even existed and [2] we're just going to assume it was a terrible decision even though Westbrook is on the decline, Paul George just had double-shoulder surgery, Kawhi Leonard has a bum leg, and the financial implications of paying those guys may have been catastrophic.

And who cares if the Raptors got nothing in return from Kawhi leaving? They were a middling playoff team before he came and they'll be a middling playoff team now that he's gone. They won the championship. They became relevant for the first time in 25 years. I don't know why this is even something we're discussing. :lol

The guy was allegedly presented a deal that would enable him to keep his Finals MVP, AND import both Paul George AND Russell Westbrook. And he turned it down, allegedly, because he wanted to keep a young forward who has shown All Star potential. So you turn down three HOFers, in the primes of their career, and likely a few more straight NBA Finals appearances, and probably another ring, maybe two, because you wanted to keep Siakam. And let's not be dramatic with the injuries. George will be fine. Westbrook had one "down" year, and still averaged a triple double. And he's 31, not 35. Stop. They are in their primes, and the Raptors didn't make it happen, because they wanted to keep a young guy who they developed. They passed on three HOFers, in their prime, including their own Finals MVP, because they wanted to keep some former G-leaguer that they developed who has All Star potential.

Tell me again how that's not idiotic? Trust me, I know idiotic when I see it. My team is the Timberwolves, after all.  :rollin

I understand the financial concerns. You basically wrap up 110 million in three guys. I totally get it. But if you want to win in this league, you need to spend. That's just the nature of it. The Warriors spend. The Cavs, with James, spent. And let's be real. The Raptors wouldn't have won this year if the Warriors were fully healthy in the playoffs. No one wants to outright say that, but that's the truth, and deep down, every Raptor fan knows it. Lord knows I don't want the Warriors winning, but the truth is what it is. The teams who spend, and bring in the high profile talent, generally win.

Even if I grant you that Ujiri made an idiotic decision - which I'm not sold on, but let's just roll with it - that doesn't make him an idiot in general. People make mistakes. What matters is the overall sample of decisions. For example, LeBron James isn't a bad basketball player because he was godawful against Dallas in 2011. You tally up the wins and the losses and if there are more wins than losses, then you get a thumb's up. Ujiri has a long history of making the right moves. A bad call here or there doesn't automatically make him an idiot.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: bosk1 on July 09, 2019, 10:15:38 AM
I can't say it is idiotic.  While I agree that teams in this era generally have to spend to win (although see the Warriors' 2014-2016 seasons), teams need to spend wisely.  I couldn't blame any owner for deeming the price tag associated with Westbrook and George to be unwise when you balance the talent on one hand against the price tag, drama/personality, injury potential, and age, on the other hand. 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on July 09, 2019, 11:35:15 AM


Even if I grant you that Ujiri made an idiotic decision - which I'm not sold on, but let's just roll with it - that doesn't make him an idiot in general. People make mistakes. What matters is the overall sample of decisions. For example, LeBron James isn't a bad basketball player because he was godawful against Dallas in 2011. You tally up the wins and the losses and if there are more wins than losses, then you get a thumb's up. Ujiri has a long history of making the right moves. A bad call here or there doesn't automatically make him an idiot.

I wrote it too literally -- that's what I meant. It was an idiotic decision. One that will bury the Raptors, and frankly, should cost him his job. Agreed, his decisions to this point were fairly sound. He's not a literal idiot. And I think, given how I post here, and what people here should by now understand from me, that should have come across. I've been complimentary (I think) about him in the past. But that was an IDIOTIC decision by him, and one that will haunt the Raptors for at least a decade.

I can't say it is idiotic.  While I agree that teams in this era generally have to spend to win (although see the Warriors' 2014-2016 seasons), teams need to spend wisely.  I couldn't blame any owner for deeming the price tag associated with Westbrook and George to be unwise when you balance the talent on one hand against the price tag, drama/personality, injury potential, and age, on the other hand. 

Don't worry. Your franchise's idiotic call is coming, in the form of Draymond Green, very, very soon. Let's pay a guy career averages of 9.1 ppg. 7.3 rpg, 4.9 apg, a 35 million per year max contract over five years.  :lol  And before you get all annoyed, I have a renewed respect for Draymond's game (except for that timeout call where he lost his mind under pressure). But that game is not at all worth (along with his antics) a max contract. But the Warriors will pay it, and if not them, someone will. And that will be an idiotic move.  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TAC on July 09, 2019, 12:24:20 PM

The guy was allegedly presented a deal that would enable him to keep his Finals MVP, AND import both Paul George AND Russell Westbrook.

Sam, not to be a dick, but where was that reported? I hadn't heard that other then what you have posted.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: bosk1 on July 09, 2019, 12:35:09 PM
Draymond Green

I believe the topic was Toronto.  :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on July 09, 2019, 12:38:25 PM

The guy was allegedly presented a deal that would enable him to keep his Finals MVP, AND import both Paul George AND Russell Westbrook.

Sam, not to be a dick, but where was that reported? I hadn't heard that other then what you have posted.

This is one of many reports. Just google Westbrook, George to Toronto. You'll find it. Remember, I said "allegedly," since the reporting labeled it all rumor.

https://clutchpoints.com/raptors-rumors-thunder-gm-sam-presti-tried-to-trade-paul-george-russell-westbrook-to-toronto-talks-never-gained-traction/

Draymond Green

I believe the topic was Toronto.  :lol

 :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TAC on July 09, 2019, 12:41:58 PM
Cool, Sam. Thanks. NBA Free Agency has gotten a lot of play here, but I hadn't heard that Westbrook was included.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on July 09, 2019, 01:53:07 PM
Do we have any Clipper fans on here? They must be ecstatic!

And TAC, your Celtics may cycle through bigs this season at a record pace.  :lol

When the dust finally settles this fall, I'm excited to see the rosters teams go into the regular season with. Minnesota isn't done, and I am sure a lot of others aren't done either. Miami is going to find a way to land Westbrook. A lot of people are talking Minnesota, and if they have a package centered around Wiggins and Teague to do that, I'd be fine with it. But I think Westbrook is going to steer himself right to South Beach and Jimmy Butler.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TAC on July 09, 2019, 01:57:50 PM
And TAC, your Celtics may cycle through bigs this season at a record pace.  :lol

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/V6NtbIEdwDE/hqdefault.jpg)

 :metal :metal :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 09, 2019, 01:58:13 PM

Even if I grant you that Ujiri made an idiotic decision - which I'm not sold on, but let's just roll with it - that doesn't make him an idiot in general. People make mistakes. What matters is the overall sample of decisions. For example, LeBron James isn't a bad basketball player because he was godawful against Dallas in 2011. You tally up the wins and the losses and if there are more wins than losses, then you get a thumb's up. Ujiri has a long history of making the right moves. A bad call here or there doesn't automatically make him an idiot.

I wrote it too literally -- that's what I meant. It was an idiotic decision. One that will bury the Raptors, and frankly, should cost him his job. Agreed, his decisions to this point were fairly sound. He's not a literal idiot. And I think, given how I post here, and what people here should by now understand from me, that should have come across. I've been complimentary (I think) about him in the past. But that was an IDIOTIC decision by him, and one that will haunt the Raptors for at least a decade.

We should probably just agree to disagree. My mind is blown that that we're even discussing Ujiri losing his job when the guy has proven to be better than almost every other executive in the league over the course of his career. Who is available that would even be a better replacement? This is madness.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on July 09, 2019, 02:03:55 PM
@Sam... I admire your convictions in your beliefs, even when they're wrong  :biggrin:.  You sound like an arm-chair fan to lambaste Ujiri the way you have based on your assessment of a rumour.  You don't have all the facts (none of us do), nor do you know all the reasons for the decision (assuming the rumoured scenario is true).  You make a lot of assumptions, boil your argument down to a very simple 'get 3 great players no matter what and it'll guarantee success', and chastise the decision to make it a fireable offense and a decision that will bury the team.  Really not sure how you can ignore Ujiri's recent and long term success to quickly castigate this action/decision without giving the benefit of the doubt that he's an accomplished individual who likely has access to more information than you to make a better decision than you.  He is the President of his team afterall.  You're a dude on a music forum  :biggrin:

Maybe you're right, but I think the basis by which your forming your opinion is very myopic.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: Samsara on July 09, 2019, 03:02:20 PM
In response to you both, we're all arm-chair fans. None of us, to my knowledge, is employed by a front office staff in professional basketball.

My thoughts or philosophy, at least when it comes to creating a team (something of which none of us truly know about except for fantasy hoops), is that when you have the ability to secure three Hall of Fame caliber players, in the PRIME of their careers (which all three of these guys mentioned, Kawhi, PG 13, and Russ), you DO IT. PARTICULARLY in a market that historically, has had a hard time attracting top level free agents and talent.

I never said my argument is "get 3 great players." I said if you have a chance for THREE HOF-caliber players in their prime. HUGE, HUGE difference.

Toronto has, by Kawhi leading them to a a chip, shown itself to not only be a top-class organization, but also a top-tier NBA city. All because of...Kawhi. Nevermind Vince, T-Mac, Mighty Mouse, DeRozen, etc....The Raptors came of age because of Kawhi Leonard and that title.

And if, again IF the RUMORS being reported by MULTIPLE sources are true, that Ujiri passed on getting those three HOF-caliber players together, because of a hesitancy to part with a G-League guy the team has developed into a promising, future All-Star, that is, at least in my estimation, given the situation regarding those HOF-caliber players' ages, a COLOSSAL error.

The Raptors are now back as a .500 team in the EAST with an aging Lowry, an old roster, and Siakam, who may end up being an All Star on a team that probably will go from NBA champs to missing the playoffs. Why? Because the President of the Raptors ALLEGEDLY passed on retaining/acquiring the HOF talent that would keep them in the limelight, and most likely led to another ring.

To simplify, the Raptors are back in the North, alone, with no real hope of contending again for the foreseeable future. All because ALLEGEDLY, Ujiri wouldn't part with Siakam.

IF all that is true, tell me again how I'm wrong. I'm not.

Now, :


Maybe you're right, but I think the basis by which your forming your opinion is very myopic.

Far from it. I have as much insight into this issue as anyone who is just a fan. Thirty years a fan of two teams (Wolves and Knicks - like I said, I know ineptitude when I see it, ha ha ha), a sportswriter for five years in a major market back in the prehistoric era, and someone who follows the business of the NBA rabidly now.  I can turn around and toss insults at you, jingle (no need to call the basis of my opinion myopic). But I wouldn't do that. You love your team. You should. Hell, your team is a lot more successful than my Wolves have ever been. We're all just fans, on a music forum. With no real "expertise" other than our personal experiences (unless someone on here is holding out and works for a professional sports franchise in a front office).


We should probably just agree to disagree. My mind is blown that that we're even discussing Ujiri losing his job when the guy has proven to be better than almost every other executive in the league over the course of his career. Who is available that would even be a better replacement? This is madness.

I think, based on the alleged stuff above, if that's true, Ujiri made such a huge, huge error. Kawhi not returning is one thing. If the Raptors made their pitch, and Kawhi leaves, that is the risk that was taken. It is what it is. But my heated statements are not on that. They are directly aimed at the reports that Kawhi was not retained BECAUSE Ujiri passed on trading for PG 13 and Russ BECAUSE he didn't want to let go of Siakam. THAT is what I am fired up about. If that's true, as stated above, I think the level of error in that decision was incredibly high, and I would have fired him, yeah. But that's why I'm not a team owner.  :lol

If we disagree, that's totally fine.

And guys, I'm not taking this personally. I hope you all aren't either. I love the NBA free agency, the player movement, the drama, the team building, and all of this banter. I have nothing but respect for all of you. I enjoy the back and forth. I just feel strongly about this particular situation.
 
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on July 09, 2019, 03:10:27 PM
Hey Bri... I worded parts of my post poorly. I didn’t mean to insult you at all. I’m on my phone, and lengthy detailed posts are difficult. Apologies for coming across that way.

More later when I’m at my PC
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on July 09, 2019, 08:05:30 PM
In response to you both, we're all arm-chair fans. None of us, to my knowledge, is employed by a front office staff in professional basketball.

I meant to imply you sound like an amateur/uneducated/fly-by-night fan without much knowledge and experience with the sport/league.  Your castigation of Ujiri over this action is rather profound, and unwarranted given his years of demonstrable success - and willingness to do 'whatever it takes'. 

. PARTICULARLY in a market that historically, has had a hard time attracting top level free agents and talent.

I think Ujiri has shown he's more than capable of using all tools at his disposal (trade, draft, develop, FA) to build a winning team.

I never said my argument is "get 3 great players." I said if you have a chance for THREE HOF-caliber players in their prime. HUGE, HUGE difference.

no matter the cost?  No one has even reported what the deal would've looked like.  You haven't qualified your statements with anything - it's 'it's an idiot move for not doing it.'  period.  You don't think Ujiri is smart or qualified enough to make a complete decision taking into account multiple factors?  You boil it down to the fact he bailed ONLY because it involved Siakim.

Toronto has, by Kawhi leading them to a a chip, shown itself to not only be a top-class organization, but also a top-tier NBA city. All because of...Kawhi. Nevermind Vince, T-Mac, Mighty Mouse, DeRozen, etc....The Raptors came of age because of Kawhi Leonard and that title.

You seem to quickly forget all the credit that was given to Ujiri for GETTING (and taking the risk on) Kawhi.  The Raptors came of age this year because of Kawhi, sure.  But do they all of a sudden become a has-been franchise with his departure?  Serious question.  Is that how the rest of the league views the Raptors now?

And if, again IF the RUMORS being reported by MULTIPLE sources are true, that Ujiri passed on getting those three HOF-caliber players together, because of a hesitancy to part with a G-League guy the team has developed into a promising, future All-Star, that is, at least in my estimation, given the situation regarding those HOF-caliber players' ages, a COLOSSAL error.

Again, you're minimizing what the 'give' is - and you're minimizing the potential of Siakim.  When guys like PG himself, Giannis, Olapida, and Butler have won the Most Improved award, it's insulting that you tag Siakim as a 'G-League guy'.

The Raptors are now back as a .500 team in the EAST with an aging Lowry, an old roster, and Siakam, who may end up being an All Star on a team that probably will go from NBA champs to missing the playoffs.

.500 team?  I doubt it.  I say they are mid/high 40-win team.  They still have 7 of the 8 players that were elements of a championship winning team.
And name me the 8 teams ahead of them that make the playoffs.  C'mon man, now you're just being ridiculous.  Det/Orl/Cha all gonna finish higher than the Raptors?  You're smarter than this. 

To simplify, the Raptors are back in the North, alone, with no real hope of contending again for the foreseeable future. All because ALLEGEDLY, Ujiri wouldn't part with Siakam.

see above

IF all that is true, tell me again how I'm wrong. I'm not.

For starters, not all of that is true.  And yes, you are wrong.  As TOX said, we'll have to agree to disagree.

Far from it. I have as much insight into this issue as anyone who is just a fan. Thirty years a fan of two teams (Wolves and Knicks - like I said, I know ineptitude when I see it, ha ha ha), a sportswriter for five years in a major market back in the prehistoric era, and someone who follows the business of the NBA rabidly now.

Which is why I'm really frustrated with your stance.  You're displaying zero critical thinking skills in jumping to 'you didn't trade PG + RW for Siakim.  IDIOT!'  If it was that simply, then yes... it's an idiotic move. 

I can turn around and toss insults at you, jingle (no need to call the basis of my opinion myopic).
I didn't mean to be insulting, but I'm seeing a distinct lack of deeper evaluation on your part to recognize that Ujiri's decision making undoubtedly involves information that we don't know.

And guys, I'm not taking this personally. I hope you all aren't either. I love the NBA free agency, the player movement, the drama, the team building, and all of this banter. I have nothing but respect for all of you. I enjoy the back and forth. I just feel strongly about this particular situation.

I'm not taking anything personally, and glad to hear that you aren't.  Just nice and warm banter.    :tup
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TAC on July 09, 2019, 08:12:17 PM
Hey Bri... I worded parts of my post poorly. I didn’t mean to insult you at all.


I meant to imply you sound like an amateur/uneducated/fly-by-night fan without much knowledge and experience with the sport/league. 

….

...  C'mon man, now you're just being ridiculous.   

...  And yes, you are wrong. 

…. You're displaying zero critical thinking skills ….

 :lol
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on July 09, 2019, 08:25:27 PM
Yeah, but not in an insulting way.   :lol

I guess that first and fourth line Tim quoted sure didn't sound much better.  :facepalm:

It's late... I'm on day 2 of a crazy 4-day week with my company's annual conference, and a few glasses of wine at dinner didn't help my wording.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: TAC on July 10, 2019, 10:25:23 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/kawhi-leonards-requests-to-raptors-reportedly-unreasonable/ar-AAE8hrM?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: bosk1 on July 10, 2019, 10:38:26 AM
From that article:

Quote
One of Lewenberg’s sources describes those requests as “unreasonable,” suggesting that Raptors president of basketball operations Masai Ujiri wouldn’t have been able to meet them all even if he’d wanted to.

The requests caused the Raptors to question whether Leonard was seriously considering them at all, according to Lewenberg. A belief that Kawhi was eyeing the Clippers all along prompted the Raptors to not get too invested in potential trade discussions with the Thunder. Lewenberg suggests that those preliminary talks included Paul George, but not Russell Westbrook, and didn’t even reach the team’s highest-ranking executives.

...

Grange adds that the Raptors’ contact with the Thunder in the hours leading up to Leonard’s announcement “may have been somewhat exaggerated.” Toronto tapped out fairly early once it was evident OKC was using talks with the Raptors as leverage.

So much for obvious idiocy.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: T-ski on July 10, 2019, 11:04:58 AM
so Kawhi's new contract is 3 years with the third being a player option.  very interesting.

this could be the free agent class in two years...

Giannis
Kawhi
LeBron
George
Beal
Gobert
McCollum
Griffin
Oladipo

plus others.

hold on tight kids.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on July 10, 2019, 11:43:57 AM
Adding to the hazardous-ness of this, reports are that the Clippers signed him to a 2+1 deal .... the option being for $103M. How does that even work??
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: T-ski on July 10, 2019, 11:48:48 AM
Adding to the hazardous-ness of this, reports are that the Clippers signed him to a 2+1 deal .... the option being for $103M. How does that even work??

the whole contract is $103M.
Title: Re: NBA thread 2018-2019 v. Raptors are Champs
Post by: jingle.boy on July 10, 2019, 03:34:46 PM
Adding to the hazardous-ness of this, reports are that the Clippers signed him to a 2+1 deal .... the option being for $103M. How does that even work??

the whole contract is $103M.

That makes more sense. Jingle.daughter is terrible at communicating things sometimes.