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Title: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: pg1067 on June 06, 2018, 03:23:28 PM
I'm stealing this from something I saw on Facebook earlier today, and the subject header says it all.  Some bands (Boston comes immediately to mind) came out strong but (IMO) petered out pretty quickly, while many others took an album or two to get their feet under them.

So...what do you say?

I think my vote goes to Queensryche:  the EP through Mindcrime are all really strong (although I didn't really care for Rage for Order right out of the box).
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: TAC on June 06, 2018, 03:24:19 PM
Metallica
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Adami on June 06, 2018, 03:25:29 PM
Metallica

Tough to top.

But outside of classic bands, I'll go with Pain of Salvation. They are hard to top.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: The Walrus on June 06, 2018, 03:26:42 PM
Iron Maiden, you silly geese.

Also, Rhapsody, because I'm obliged to wave their banner high and proud.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Elite on June 06, 2018, 03:27:44 PM
Metallica

Great answer :lol


I’m inclined to say something like Haken or Leprous

Steven Wilson solo career :neverusethis:

Pain of Salvation has a good batch of albums as well
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: LordCost on June 06, 2018, 03:30:09 PM
Pain Of Salvation is the first band that came to my mind one second after reading the question
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Lowdz on June 06, 2018, 03:35:19 PM
Queensryche
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Elite on June 06, 2018, 03:44:21 PM
Iron Maiden, you silly geese.

FIRST four albums, not any string of four albums ;p
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Crow on June 06, 2018, 03:44:29 PM
Pain of Salvation is a great answer
But imo The Hirsch Effekt is an even better one  :corn
Intronaut maybe but I've never been too thrilled on Valley
Leprous, also a good answer, if you'd said 5 it'd be a strong nope though  :corn
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 06, 2018, 03:46:21 PM
King's X
Pain of Salvation
dredg
The Dear Hunter
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: The Walrus on June 06, 2018, 03:46:50 PM
Iron Maiden, you silly geese.

FIRST four albums, not any string of four albums ;p

First four albums kicked serious ass. LEAGUES better than Sabbath's, Metallica's, Megadeth's, I can't speak for Queen but I'm pretty certain they don't come close for my tastes, and Zeppelin's. The Paul albums rule, I'll defend them forever, and NOTB and Piece of Mind (other than Sun and Steel and Quest For Fire) are incredible as well.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: TAC on June 06, 2018, 03:53:25 PM
First four Maiden albums are amazing!



I'd also say Aerosmith's first four albums are excellent.

I's also say Ozzy.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: pg1067 on June 06, 2018, 03:54:12 PM
Iron Maiden, you silly geese.

FIRST four albums, not any string of four albums ;p

First four albums kicked serious ass. LEAGUES better than Sabbath's, Metallica's, Megadeth's, I can't speak for Queen but I'm pretty certain they don't come close for my tastes, and Zeppelin's. The Paul albums rule, I'll defend them forever, and NOTB and Piece of Mind (other than Sun and Steel and Quest For Fire) are incredible as well.  :biggrin:

I thought about Maiden, but I'm not a huge fan of the first two albums.  IMO, there's no more than one album's worth of above average material between the two.  For me, Metallica's first four are pretty significantly better than Maiden's first four (even though I'm not a huge Kill 'Em All fan).
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: TAC on June 06, 2018, 04:03:36 PM
Kill 'Em All is my fave!
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Zantera on June 06, 2018, 04:37:10 PM
Oceansize  :hat
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Lethean on June 06, 2018, 04:44:20 PM
Threshold or Riverside for me.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: KevShmev on June 06, 2018, 04:57:55 PM
I don't count an EP as an album for the purposes of this thread, so I agree that Queenryche had a very strong first four (Warning through Empire).

However, I will take:

Led Zeppelin
Camel
The Moody Blues
The Flower Kings
Van Halen
Rush
Dream Theater

I am sure I am forgetting a bunch. :lol :lol
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: TAC on June 06, 2018, 05:00:02 PM
If you remembered Camel and The Moody Blues, you didn't forget anything. :lol
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Lethean on June 06, 2018, 05:02:41 PM
DT should be on my list as well.  I don't listen to When Dream and Day Unite much because I don't care much for the vocals, but I really like the songs and it's a very impressive debut.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Crow on June 06, 2018, 05:13:00 PM
Oceansize  :hat
Oh crap yeah forgot this one

Let's also propose: Coheed & Cambria
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: pg1067 on June 06, 2018, 05:32:09 PM
I don't count an EP as an album for the purposes of this thread, so I agree that Queenryche had a very strong first four (Warning through Empire).

However, I will take:

Led Zeppelin
Camel
The Moody Blues
The Flower Kings
Van Halen
Rush
Dream Theater

I had a feeling someone would object to QR's EP being used, but I'd probably still take QR on the strength of The Warning through Empire.

Zeppelin's first three albums have a number of highlights but too much filler/stuff I don't like.  Same with VH's first four.  WDADU and FII prevent me from picking DT.  Same with Caress of Steel and Rush's debut.  I'm not sufficiently familiar with the other bands mentioned to comment (and have never heard of one of them).
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: KevShmev on June 06, 2018, 05:35:30 PM
Zeppelin III has a few songs I do not care for, but I, II and IV are all pretty flawless.

I am guessing Camel is the band you are not familiar with?
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: pg1067 on June 06, 2018, 05:41:23 PM
Zeppelin III has a few songs I do not care for, but I, II and IV are all pretty flawless.

I am guessing Camel is the band you are not familiar with?

Yup (not familiar with the Flower Kings either, but I've heard the name before).

As for Zep, opinions, I could make one and a half good albums from the first three:

Good Times
Dazed
Breakdown
An abbreviated version of How Many More Times
Whole Lotta Love
Heartbreaker
LL Maid
Ramble
Immigrant Song

Maybe one or two others off II or III; it's been a while since I've spun them.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: King Puppies and the Acid Guppies on June 06, 2018, 05:52:04 PM
Not sure how Marillion hasn't been mentioned yet.
Also:
Agalloch (Pale Folklore is the weakest, but the 3 that followed are so strong it doesn't matter. It's still a good album though)
Smashing Pumpkins (Gish through Adore is pretty tough to top from nineties bands)
The Mars Volta
Mastodon (those first 4 albums are so good!)
Candlemass (I don't think there is a better 4 album run of Doom Metal by any band)
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: jammindude on June 06, 2018, 06:19:53 PM
In order:

Haken
Pain of Salvation


I'm not sure anyone else even comes close.   Not even my top 2 bands.  (Rush and DT) 

PoS has stayed pretty good, but never quite matched the amazing "next level" quality of those first four. 

Haken is untouchable right now.   If their 5th is anywhere near their first 4, they could be making a run at being my new all time favorite band. 
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Crow on June 06, 2018, 06:25:09 PM
Considering Bedlam is one of my least favorite albums ever I'd definitely disagree with TMV being on this list :P
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: jingle.boy on June 06, 2018, 06:31:40 PM
Really unsure how Rush makes anyone's list - this coming from a guy who's #2 fave band is Rush! Zeppelin was my instantaneous first thought.  I could possibly get on board with the idea of Van Halen and/or Ozzy. Queen and Metallica would be in the running.  But (and I know I'm biased here), Zeppelin is in the clear lead, imo.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: KevShmev on June 06, 2018, 06:33:22 PM
Rush is a homer pick for me. :P :biggrin:

Black Sabbath has to be in this conversation as well. :metal
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: ChuckSteak on June 06, 2018, 07:00:48 PM
Black Sabbath was the first band that came into my mind.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: The Letter M on June 06, 2018, 07:05:02 PM
Transatlantic and Steven Wilson  ;)

But seriously, I'd say Queen and Kansas, and Led Zeppelin is also a pretty good choice.

For more modern bands, I'd toss in The Flower Kings, Haken (yeah, I know), and The Tangent.

-Marc.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: jingle.boy on June 06, 2018, 07:10:42 PM
Rush is a homer pick for me. :P :biggrin:

You're from Cleveland? Only someone from Cleveland could be THAT much of a homer.   :D

No one has mentioned Spock's Beard?  I know Day For Night is not universally loved, but it's one of my fave's.

Also surprised TAC hasn't fellated something to do with Schenker in this thread.  At least he's smart enough not to make a homer pick like Alice Cooper.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: TAC on June 06, 2018, 07:17:45 PM

Also surprised TAC hasn't fellated something to do with Schenker in this thread.  At least he's smart enough not to make a homer pick like Alice Cooper.

For me personally, I could definitely put Michael Schenker's first 4 albums.


Technically, the Alice Cooper band's first two albums were Easy Action and Pretties For You. They are fairly obscure. If I didn't have to count those, the initial Warner Bros run of Love It To Death-Killer-School's Out-Billion Dollar Babies is exceptional. The most underrated American Classic Rock band.

I have the same issue with UFO. They had two very obscure albums before Schenker joined, but again, if I didn't have to include those, the initial Chrysalis run of Phenomenon-Force It-No Heavy Petting-Lights Out would rule.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: jjrock88 on June 06, 2018, 07:19:05 PM
Queensryche
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Ninjabait on June 06, 2018, 07:27:16 PM
Haken
The Dear Hunter
Diablo Swing Orchestra
Ayreon (The Final Experiment and Actual Fantasy are pretty good ngl)
Moulettes
Carly Rae Jepsen
Taylor Swift
Submotion Orchestra
Agalloch

Only three (but going strong):
iamthemorning
Ne Obliviscaris
Whispered
Frost*
CHVRCHES
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: KevShmev on June 06, 2018, 07:31:56 PM
Rush is a homer pick for me. :P :biggrin:

You're from Cleveland? Only someone from Cleveland could be THAT much of a homer.   :D



If I was a true homer, I would pick Sammy Hagar (since I am from St Louis and this city loves him like he was born here). ;)
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Lowdz on June 07, 2018, 03:54:56 AM
Queensryche - The Warning to Promised Land is excellent.

Maiden

KISS

Yngwie

Vinnie Moore

It's a harder question than you'd think
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: krands85 on June 07, 2018, 04:27:18 AM
Along with 2 already mentioned - Haken and Metallica - another couple that come to mind for me are Muse and Biffy Clyro.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Architeuthis on June 07, 2018, 05:00:15 AM
The first four Boston albums are great imo!   My two favorites from them are the self titled debut, and Walk On..    Don't Look Back, and Third Stage are close runners up..
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Dave_Manchester on June 07, 2018, 05:03:03 AM
Most of my own examples have already been listed (Metallica, Camel, Led Zeppelin). To them I'd add Dire Straits, Godspeed You Black Emperor, Children of Bodom and Elliott Smith. If from that lot I had make my pick for 'best' (my personal favourite), then I'd go with Dire Straits, though I think Zeppelin's and Metallica's first 4 albums are far more 'culturally important'.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: twosuitsluke on June 07, 2018, 05:07:20 AM
Let's also propose: Coheed & Cambria

Came here to post this. I know a lot of people aren't huge fans of SSTB (or NWfT either, for that matter) but I LOVE their first 4 albums!
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: jingle.boy on June 07, 2018, 05:20:02 AM
I think the answers are different if you put it in the context of best 4 in absolute terms when compared to the best 4 from any other band, or the best 4 when compared to the rest of the library from *that* band.

If the latter, I think Boston would get my vote.  Everything after Walk On was tripe.

If the former, I'm sticking with Zeppelin.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: King Postwhore on June 07, 2018, 05:23:15 AM
Aerosmith
Get Your Wings
Toys In The Attic
Rocks
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: TAC on June 07, 2018, 05:36:33 AM
Aerosmith
Get Your Wings
Toys In The Attic
Rocks

Yeah, I had said them earlier in the thread. Definitely.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: AngelBack on June 07, 2018, 05:49:40 AM
I'll nominate Kansas, Self titled, Song for America, Masque and Leftoverture.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Mladen on June 07, 2018, 07:09:47 AM
If we're counting band that have more than four or five albums, I'll probably go with these:

Iron Maiden
Black Sabbath
Metallica
Camel
Queensryche

Also, I'll throw in Eels, although they're quite an obscure band around here. But might actually be the best pick for me.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: ZKX-2099 on June 07, 2018, 07:11:09 AM
Between The Buried & Me
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 07, 2018, 07:22:11 AM
The two that came to mind - Metallica and Led Zeppelin
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 07, 2018, 07:22:39 AM
If this means that the first four albums are my favorite four albums of the respective band, I got only one:

Thunder

If it means that the first four albums are really strong but there may be better/equally good ones later in their discography than a lot of those already mentioned:

Aerosmith
Van Halen
Dire Straits
Led Zeppelin
Toto
Dream Theater
Level 42
Queensryche (without the EP the run is even better)
Kansas
Spock's Beard
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: King Postwhore on June 07, 2018, 07:29:12 AM
If we're counting band that have more than four or five albums, I'll probably go with these:

Iron Maiden
Black Sabbath
Metallica
Camel
Queensryche

Also, I'll throw in Eels, although they're quite an obscure band around here. But might actually be the best pick for me.

Before I sputter out!
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2018, 08:36:14 AM
Well, to avoid the nonsense of the Plant thread, I'm sticking to MY FAVORITES here:

Sabbath and Zeppelin top the list.

Maiden, Aerosmith, Marillion, MSG, Queen and Kiss are not far behind.

I'd throw out for consideration:
The Cars
U2
Night Ranger (Dawn Patrol, Midnight Madness, 7 Wishes, Big Life)
Cheap Trick (CT, In Color, Heaven Tonight, Dream Police; add "The Flame" and that's essentially every CT greatest hits ever put out)
ELP (ELP, Pictures, Tarkus, Trilogy)
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 07, 2018, 09:21:46 AM
For me,  Haken, Pain of Salvation, Epica, Metallica, Ozzy come to mind.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Mindflux on June 07, 2018, 09:24:21 AM
Best ever?
Best in their genre?
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: ChuckSteak on June 07, 2018, 09:34:23 AM
Aerosmith
Agalloch
Alice In Chains
Black Sabbath
Budgie
Camel
Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band
Creedence Clearwater Revival
Dixie Dregs
Dr. John
Eberhard Weber
ELP
Estradasphere
Focus
Funkadelic
Grand Funk Railroad
Haken
Iron Maiden
King's X
Muddy Waters
Pekka Pohjola
Rory Gallagher
Santana
Talking Heads
Tom Waits (even though everything he released is good)
Univers Zero
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: pg1067 on June 07, 2018, 09:42:01 AM
If this means that the first four albums are my favorite four albums of the respective band, I got only one:

. . .

If it means that the first four albums are really strong but there may be better/equally good ones later in their discography than a lot of those already mentioned:

It means Band X's first four albums are better than (or, since "best" is not an objective thing, that you like better than) any other band's first four albums.  What may have happened after the first four albums isn't relevant.


Best ever?

As opposed to?  The question does impose or imply any temporal limitation.


Best in their genre?

Genre is not part of the inquiry.  If you think Vanilla Ice's first four albums were better than any other band/artist's first four albums, then so be it.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Mindflux on June 07, 2018, 10:03:19 AM

Genre is not part of the inquiry.  If you think Vanilla Ice's first four albums were better than any other band/artist's first four albums, then so be it.

Perhaps it should be.  To call one bands first 4 the best to ever exist, over everything else in the world is simply impossible in my mind.

By at least imposing a genre... sure... that might be doable. Metallica might have the best 'first 4' albums out of Thrash.  so on and so forth.

*shrug*
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Train of Naught on June 07, 2018, 10:06:47 AM
Let's also propose: Coheed & Cambria

Came here to post this. I know a lot of people aren't huge fans of SSTB (or NWfT either, for that matter) but I LOVE their first 4 albums!
Lol I've been digging into their discography a bit more lately and No World for Tomorrow might just be my favourite of all their albums, is it really that frowned upon? Didn't care much for In Keeping Secrets though and I heard good shit about it.

As for thread topic, The Mars Volta probably wins this one for me. Come on, Frances the Mute, De-Loused, Amputechture and Bedlam In Goliath? All classics! I'm incredibly biased though.

Honorable mentions:

The Dear Hunter
Leprous
The Dillinger Escape Plan
TesseracT

Off the top of my head

Oh also yes would agree with The Deer Effekt, but man do I dislike their first album
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: RoeDent on June 07, 2018, 10:27:56 AM
Marillion
Haken
Spock's Beard
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: King Postwhore on June 07, 2018, 10:41:58 AM
Marillion
Haken
Spock's Beard

Awe crap!  Marillion is a great choice!  I should have thought that!
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: SoundscapeMN on June 07, 2018, 11:02:43 AM
Oceansize  :hat

yes, especially including these 4 (Self Preserved is their weakest release imo).

Effloresce
Music for Nurses [EP]
Everyone into Position
Frames
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Lowdz on June 07, 2018, 11:06:18 AM
Marillion
Haken
Spock's Beard

Awe crap!  Marillion is a great choice!  I should have thought that!

Yeah million. Good one
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Lethean on June 07, 2018, 11:17:25 AM
Honorable mentions:

The Dear Hunter
Leprous
The Dillinger Escape Plan
TesseracT

Off the top of my head

Oh also yes would agree with The Deer Effekt, but man do I dislike their first album

Are you counting Aeolia for Leprous.  If not, they're absolutely in the running for me.  I even like Aeolia; I just wouldn't include it in a best 4 albums category.  Tesseract is a good choice too, though for my personal tastes, One has too much screaming.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: WildRanger on June 07, 2018, 12:27:27 PM
Off the top of my head:

Black Sabbath
Led Zeppelin
Queen
Aerosmith
Iron Maiden
Van Halen
Metallica
R.E.M.
Blue Oyster Cult
Cheap Trick 
Candlemass
Mastodon



Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: RoeDent on June 07, 2018, 12:32:20 PM
This reminded me how many now legendary bands had debuts that, even now, are nowhere near as well-regarded as later albums. Most obvious ones for us are Dream Theater, Genesis and Yes. Maybe even Rush would come into this category as well.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Mindflux on June 07, 2018, 12:46:43 PM
This reminded me how many now legendary bands had debuts that, even now, are nowhere near as well-regarded as later albums. Most obvious ones for us are Dream Theater, Genesis and Yes. Maybe even Rush would come into this category as well.

But WDADU .... so I can't say yes to DT's 4 first albums being best in the prog metal category, let alone above everything else that ever existed.

Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: pg1067 on June 07, 2018, 12:56:13 PM
This reminded me how many now legendary bands had debuts that, even now, are nowhere near as well-regarded as later albums. Most obvious ones for us are Dream Theater, Genesis and Yes. Maybe even Rush would come into this category as well.

But WDADU .... so I can't say yes to DT's 4 first albums being best in the prog metal category, let alone above everything else that ever existed.

I think that was RoeDent's point.  WDADU, Yes's and Rush's self-titled debuts, and From Genesis to Revelation all pale in comparison to the albums those bands are known for.  There are lots of big fans of those bands who've never even heard their debuts.  I've never owned Yes's debut and have only heard a couple of the songs as a result of owning the YesYears compilation.

Back in the 60s, 70s and early 80s, lots of bands were signed while they were still developing and finding their sounds, so it was much more common for a band's later efforts to be quite dissimilar to its debut.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Crow on June 07, 2018, 01:13:43 PM
Oh also yes would agree with The Deer Effekt, but man do I dislike their first album
Will agree that their first album is their weakest but it's far from bad imo
I like it more overall than any hypno5e album at the very least :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: lonestar on June 07, 2018, 02:08:14 PM
Not sure how Marillion hasn't been mentioned yet.

Yeah, they're a solid contender.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Lowdz on June 07, 2018, 02:15:38 PM
This reminded me how many now legendary bands had debuts that, even now, are nowhere near as well-regarded as later albums. Most obvious ones for us are Dream Theater, Genesis and Yes. Maybe even Rush would come into this category as well.

But WDADU .... so I can't say yes to DT's 4 first albums being best in the prog metal category, let alone above everything else that ever existed.

I love WDADU but FII let's the run down a little. But not much
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Elite on June 07, 2018, 03:17:02 PM
Are you counting Aeolia for Leprous.  If not, they're absolutely in the running for me.  I even like Aeolia; I just wouldn't include it in a best 4 albums category.

I personally didn't count Aeolia when I suggested Leprous in this thread, because Leprous don't even count that album themselves. For the record, I do like Aeolia, but it's easily their weakest 'release' (that is, if you do not count the Silent Waters EP ;p ).
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: pg1067 on June 07, 2018, 03:54:42 PM
This reminded me how many now legendary bands had debuts that, even now, are nowhere near as well-regarded as later albums. Most obvious ones for us are Dream Theater, Genesis and Yes. Maybe even Rush would come into this category as well.

But WDADU .... so I can't say yes to DT's 4 first albums being best in the prog metal category, let alone above everything else that ever existed.

I love WDADU but FII let's the run down a little. But not much

I&W and Awake are almost strong enough to overcome WDADU and (especially) FII.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 07, 2018, 06:25:12 PM
Metallica

/thread
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Lethean on June 08, 2018, 12:07:33 AM
Are you counting Aeolia for Leprous.  If not, they're absolutely in the running for me.  I even like Aeolia; I just wouldn't include it in a best 4 albums category.

I personally didn't count Aeolia when I suggested Leprous in this thread, because Leprous don't even count that album themselves. For the record, I do like Aeolia, but it's easily their weakest 'release' (that is, if you do not count the Silent Waters EP ;p ).
Yeah, but isn't that kind of cheating?  Maybe they don't count it or like it now, but they did release it.  (And actually I've heard Tor Oddmund say that he doesn't mind it as part of their history). Neil Peart doesn't want to count the first few Rush albums either, but we're counting those. :)

I've never heard Silent Waters but I know they don't think too highly of it. :)
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Crow on June 08, 2018, 12:21:32 AM
if y'all count aeolia you have to count haken's demo album too
or really any demo album
'cause my understanding is that it is a demo more than a proper release
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Lethean on June 08, 2018, 01:07:59 AM
if y'all count aeolia you have to count haken's demo album too
or really any demo album
'cause my understanding is that it is a demo more than a proper release

Maybe you're right.  I always just think of Aeolia as a full album because it's the length of one, rather than just being a few songs.  In that case, Leprous goes on the list, for sure.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Train of Naught on June 08, 2018, 04:37:24 AM
Yeah, for all of my suggestions I just counted the first 4 official studio albums, no demos or EPs.

Oh yeah you're right parama, Hypno5e now have 4 full albums and they're all great, that one should be on my list of honorable mentions too :corn

Tesseract is a good choice too, though for my personal tastes, One has too much screaming.
One is my favourite TesseracT album :lol but I seem to just enjoy everything they do.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Cyclopssss on June 08, 2018, 08:07:09 AM
Queen.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Snow Dog on June 19, 2018, 10:05:43 PM
Been on a pretty good Vanden Plas kick lately, and got to thinking that they might fit the bill for this thread. That run of five albums from Color Temple to Christ 0 is pretty damn strong.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Lethean on June 19, 2018, 10:33:16 PM
I'd include Vanden Plas if it wasn't for Colour Temple.  It's not a bad first album, but I think The God Thing is a huge step up.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Peter Mc on June 20, 2018, 06:56:39 AM
I think Queensryche is the obvious answer as Rage, Mindcrime and Empire are pretty much flawless and The Warning is more than solid. 

Any 4 album run from Dream Theater is also always worth a mention, they've not made a bad album in my opinion, just varying degrees of good to great and most would class Images and Awake as two absolute classics, I also really like WDADU unlike many others on here.

I'm also going to throw Bon Jovi in which is probably not the coolest band to mention on here but their debut album is awesome and Slippery When Wet and New Jersey are huge classic albums.  The Farenheit album was a bit of a drop off in the middle but still has some really good stuff on there.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Bertielee on June 20, 2018, 11:38:57 AM
There is no obvious answer but my personal taste has me say Manowar (there, I said it). The run "Battle Hymns, Into Glory Ride (the Secret of Steel, guys!), Hail to England, Sign of the Hammer" is fantastic. It began declining from there, IMO.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: DragonAttack on June 20, 2018, 12:50:50 PM
Led Zeppelin

Chicago....yes, there was a ton of 'weird' stuff, but we had a ton of great material in those first three double LPs.  And 'Chicago V' should be in everyone's Top Fifty.

Next level:  Aerosmith, Queen, and then......Foreigner.  That band's material was good to very good, and very consistent.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: The Walrus on June 20, 2018, 12:54:24 PM
I really want to add Toto to this list but Turn Back keeps that from happening. Damn it. Even with some of the songs like Lorraine and All Us Boys, that run is still spectacular (Turn Back aside).
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Kwyjibo on June 20, 2018, 01:16:10 PM
I really like Turn Back, but Toto doesn't qualify, because their later stuff like Isolation, The Seventh One, Kingdom Of Desire etc. is equally as good or even better.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: The Walrus on June 20, 2018, 01:22:57 PM
I really like Turn Back, but Toto doesn't qualify, because their later stuff like Isolation, The Seventh One, Kingdom Of Desire etc. is equally as good or even better.

Also a very good point, although I disagree about Isolation - Turn Back, Isolation, and Fahrenheit are their weakest efforts by a long shot in my opinion, although there is still good material on each of them.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Learning2Live on June 20, 2018, 02:28:28 PM
Neal Morse. Although I've never listened to his self-titled solo album, the next 3 (4 actually) albums are as good of a run of albums from any artist that I've listened to.

And I know they've only put 4 studio albums out, I'd throw out Transatlantic as well. Pretty hard to beat the quality of those 4 albums for me.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Accelerando on June 20, 2018, 11:38:25 PM
Along with the Zeppelin, Queen, and Beatles already mentioned, I would like to mention

The Who - My Generation, A Quick One, Who Sell Out, Tommy
Alter Bridge - One Day Remain, Blackbird, AB III, Fortress
Steely Dan - Can't Buy A Thrill, Countdown To Ecstasy, Pretzel Logic, Katy Lied
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: TAC on June 21, 2018, 04:44:45 AM
I'd also say Megadeth's first 4 albums are easily their best.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Dream Team on June 21, 2018, 06:24:46 AM
I'd also say Megadeth's first 4 albums are easily their best.

This is true also.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: DragonAttack on June 21, 2018, 12:30:54 PM
For nostalgia sake, and the ground breaking releases that they were, I wanted to list The Beatles.  If one adds the non LP 45s to their first three albums, ....no doubt, one has to include them as being strong.  'For Sale', even with 'I Feel Fine / She's A Woman added, just didn't cut the mustard.  Maybe if their unreleased (at the time) cover of 'Leave My Kitten Alone' had replaced the woeful 'Mr. Moonlight', it would have been considered a decent album. 

Flip a coin between it and 'Let It Be' as to being the weak links in their discography.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: DragonAttack on July 06, 2018, 02:55:12 PM
Thinking of The Beatles first four (coulda, woulda, shoulda), but not......scanning through the comments, and, one just can't say that KISS' first four were good.  'Hotter Than Hell' was so lame.  Maybe if it was longer than 33:02 in time, didn't have one or two crap songs or had a tune in the six minute range, it would have been passable.  The S/T LP, 'Dressed To Kill'  (what an absolutely, surprisingly well crafted and well written LP...other than the half minute of dead silence between songs;-)), 'Alive', and 'Destroyer' are four absolute worthwhile albums to own.  Even those who hate the band would have to give begrudging respect to that.  But HTH .....sorry, kicks them out of the running (I listened to it on the highway today, and just had to post)

Benny Goodman's first four were great.  Try those on for a change of pace, and you might agree.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: TAC on July 06, 2018, 06:14:52 PM
Joe, Hotter Than Hell is all kinds of awesome. It's easily my favorite Kiss album.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Stadler on July 07, 2018, 08:44:11 AM
Thinking of The Beatles first four (coulda, woulda, shoulda), but not......scanning through the comments, and, one just can't say that KISS' first four were good.  'Hotter Than Hell' was so lame.  Maybe if it was longer than 33:02 in time, didn't have one or two crap songs or had a tune in the six minute range, it would have been passable.  The S/T LP, 'Dressed To Kill'  (what an absolutely, surprisingly well crafted and well written LP...other than the half minute of dead silence between songs;-)), 'Alive', and 'Destroyer' are four absolute worthwhile albums to own.  Even those who hate the band would have to give begrudging respect to that.  But HTH .....sorry, kicks them out of the running (I listened to it on the highway today, and just had to post)


Please no offense, but if you're critiquing Kiss for "no tunes in the six minute mark" you've missed the entire point of Kiss.  Entirely.   Through the first makeup era, the only songs to even get to FIVE minutes - Black Diamond and Detroit Rock City - were because of studio gimmicks.  If you don't count Carnival of Souls (because it's very different; there is only one song LESS than four minutes on the record; they've got three or four records where NO songs are longer than four minutes), the only song in the entire catalogue to pass six was "I Still Love You" at 6:06.  Hell, you can count the remaining FIVE minute songs on one hand (Odyssey, God Gave RnR To You, Psycho Circus - again, with gimmicks - and Within).

I did a Kiss discography here not too long ago, and Hotter Than Hell was numero uno.  I LOVE that album, and probably listen to it more than any in their catalogue.   
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: jammindude on July 07, 2018, 04:26:06 PM
Thinking of The Beatles first four (coulda, woulda, shoulda), but not......scanning through the comments, and, one just can't say that KISS' first four were good.  'Hotter Than Hell' was so lame.  Maybe if it was longer than 33:02 in time, didn't have one or two crap songs or had a tune in the six minute range, it would have been passable.  The S/T LP, 'Dressed To Kill'  (what an absolutely, surprisingly well crafted and well written LP...other than the half minute of dead silence between songs;-)), 'Alive', and 'Destroyer' are four absolute worthwhile albums to own.  Even those who hate the band would have to give begrudging respect to that.  But HTH .....sorry, kicks them out of the running (I listened to it on the highway today, and just had to post)

Benny Goodman's first four were great.  Try those on for a change of pace, and you might agree.

DUDE SERIOUSLY???   Hotter Than Hell is my #1 all time favorite Kiss album.  Yes, I'm totally serious.   Parasite, Let Me Go Rock and Roll, All The Way, Mainline, the title track.....that album is just awesome front to back. 

If I had to pick a LEAST favorite of the first six "Klassic Kiss" albums, it would be Dressed to Kill. 

I usually rank them:

1. Hotter Than Hell
2. Kiss
3. Love Gun
4. Rock and Roll Over
5. Destroyer
6. Dressed to Kill
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Indiscipline on July 08, 2018, 01:39:27 PM
Captain Beefheart.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: jammindude on July 08, 2018, 03:02:04 PM
I wanted to echo the earlier Spock's Beard nomination.   IMO the only reason Day For Night doesn't get brought up very often is just because it's overshadowed by the others.   It's still a great album.  I only wish they hadn't split up The Healing Colors of Sound into separate tracks.   It's better as an entire piece. 
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: DragonAttack on July 08, 2018, 04:18:04 PM
to Stadler and jammindude:  As to KISS, hey, I reopened the discussion! 

Unlike perhaps 80% on here that don't like the band at all, I was being honest.  I am not a fanboy, but I did somewhat grow up with the band (saw them in Mt. Pleasant in '75, Grand Rapids in '97?)  'Going Blind' and 'Mainline' don't work for me.  I think the rest of the tracks suffer from a very 'plodding' pace (maybe I'm spoiled by the 'Alive' versions of what appear on that LP).  I think that 'Comin' Home' and 'Strange Ways' are ......almost there, but there is just something missing....for me.   

A fair sophomoric effort.

Take the strongest tracks from their S/T LP, combine them with HTH (same goes for RnR Over and Love Gun), and you end up with a couple of really good albums.  (hey, I dissed The Beatles, so, give me a bit of slack here, OK? ;)
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: TAC on July 08, 2018, 04:33:03 PM


Take the strongest tracks from their S/T LP, combine them with HTH (same goes for RnR Over and Love Gun), and you end up with a couple of really good albums.   


Definitely agree on LG/RnRO
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Stadler on July 09, 2018, 06:27:01 AM
Definitely don't agree with RnRO; number FOUR on my list.  Other than "Baby Driver" - Peter Criss ought to be kissing Paul and Gene's feet on the daily for letting him put dreck like Baby Driver and Hooligan ("won't go to school again") onto a record that got bought by more than six people not named "Criscoula" - that's almost a perfect record. 
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 12, 2018, 04:04:53 AM
Also: Led Zeppelin. 
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Art on July 12, 2018, 07:06:53 AM
In Flames
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Nekov on July 13, 2018, 05:56:34 AM
Queen.

Was coming here to post this. First 4 albums, while not my favorites, are still amazing.
Spock's Beard is also a great choice, I've been listening to the Neal era quite a lot lately and I'm floored at how good those albums are.
Also, did no one mention Transatlantic? I'm guessing some people didn't like their last album but to me the 4 are phenomenal.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Learning2Live on July 13, 2018, 06:32:55 AM
Also, did no one mention Transatlantic? I'm guessing some people didn't like their last album but to me the 4 are phenomenal.

I mentioned them earlier so you aren't alone. Probably #1 overall on my list.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: The Letter M on July 13, 2018, 09:30:17 AM
Also, did no one mention Transatlantic? I'm guessing some people didn't like their last album but to me the 4 are phenomenal.

I mentioned them earlier so you aren't alone. Probably #1 overall on my list.

Check page 1 for my post ;)

-Marc.
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: cramx3 on July 13, 2018, 09:39:41 AM
Def Leppard
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: Nekov on July 13, 2018, 09:46:03 AM
Also, did no one mention Transatlantic? I'm guessing some people didn't like their last album but to me the 4 are phenomenal.

I mentioned them earlier so you aren't alone. Probably #1 overall on my list.

Check page 1 for my post ;)

-Marc.

TLDR  :P
Title: Re: Who Had the Best First Four Albums
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 13, 2018, 09:24:02 PM
Haken