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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: MirrorMask on June 05, 2018, 07:55:49 AM
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Different idea (maybe) for a discussion, in the guise of a poll to spark it up.
Music history is full of legendary bands and likewise legendary line-ups, but we all know how musical differences, egos and sometimes even tragedy can tear apart a line up that never reforms again, or does so only 20 years later.
So I tried to think of big and historical line-ups cut short too soon, so hence the question: which additional album, that never came to be because the band split up or changed or someone died, you wish had existed? what's your biggest musical regret in the sense of "oh if only this band had stayed together a little while longer"?
Four choices to make it difficult. The poll is anyway an excuse to discuss albums that fate prevented to exist. I hope the inclusion of Dream Theater does not turn this into a keyboardists / drummers feud :D
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I chose 3:
-Ozzy with Randy
- Priest with Rob
- DT with KevMo
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Queen with Freddy and Ozzy with Randy.
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Ozzy with Randy
Rainbow with Dio
But I would also add Thin Lizzy with Sykes.
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Idk why, but I keep reading the first option as "THE BEATLES - Posh Let It Be album".
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Idk why, but I keep reading the first option as "THE BEATLES - Posh Let It Be album".
Posh Spice?
Ozzy with Randy is the obvious choice for me. I put Ozzy with Sabbath, Deep Purple Post TBRO (I LOVE that album, by the way) with Blackmore, and ... I forget. EDIT: Fifth Deep Purple album.
I would add:
- Post-Clutching Marillion album with Fish.
- Post Tormato Yes album with Wakeman.
- Post Slide It In Whitesnake album with, uh, the Slide It In lineup.
- Velvet Revolver album with Myles Kennedy.
- Post 1984 Van Halen album with Roth.
- Post A Different Kind of Truth Van Halen album with Roth.
- Post Dig Out Your Soul Oasis album with Noel and Liam.
- Post Built To Destroy MSG album with Gary Barden.
I could do this all day, just about.
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Controversial statement: DT5 with Sherinian. Not that I would trade it for what we got. I wouldn't. But in an alternate universe, I would love to hear what they would have done had they expanded upon Metropolis II with Derek helping write the tunes.
Queensryche follow-up to HITNF had EMI not gone under.
Also, follow-up to Q2K had Kelly Gray stayed in the band at that point.
Whitesnake follow-up to 1987 had Sykes stayed.
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Whitesnake follow-up to 1987 had Sykes stayed.
Very much on board with that one .
Would've really liked another Ozzy album with Jake E Lee too.
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I would love to say Post Mob Rules Sabbath with Dio, but he followed that up with Holy Diver and Last In Line. I actually wish he and Vivian hadn't had a falling out. Would love to have gotten more out of that original Dio lineup.
Would've really liked another Ozzy album with Jake E Lee too.
Yeah, he could've made up for the suckage that is The Ultimate Sin.
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I voted for:
Ozzy with Randy
DT with Mike
I'd like to add:
RHCP with Dave Navarro: I'd love to see what came next for them with Dave. But on the same note Californication was such a massive phenomenon it's hard to want to see that. Alternate Universe type scenario... really.
Marillion with Fish (already mentioned)
Megadeth with Marty Friedman (before the reunion)
Metallica: if they kept Mustaine
Metallica: If Cliff hadn't died
Sepultura: if Max and Igor hadn't left
GWAR: if Brockie hadn't died
Operation Ivy: If they hadn't broken up
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Zeppelin, Maiden, GnR, DT KevMo were my picks.
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I would've loved another Helloween album with Kai Hansen after Keepers Pt.2.
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I voted for DT with Kev, another Randy and Ozzy album and LZ.
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I would've loved another Helloween album with Kai Hansen after Keepers Pt.2.
Oh fudge. Yeah, that would be another one I'd love.
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Nothing on that list actually. I might have picked Iron Maiden but ultimately I think his leaving for a while was probably for the best, and Accident of Birth and Chemical Wedding might not have happened otherwise.
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RAINBOW - Fourth album with Dio
HEAVEN AND HELL - Second album after The Devil You Know
QUEEN - Full post Innuendo album with Freddie
DREAM THEATER - DT11 with Mike Portnoy
Sadly, two of those are due to untimely deaths. I almost went with Bon which would have made three.
I could have chose other but I could go on for days adding to the list.
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Rainbow 4th album with Dio
Ozzy 3rd album with Randy
Black Sabbath with Dio after Mob Rules.
For my 4th pick I chose Other. 2nd Rainbow album with Powell & Bonnet
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I would love to say Post Mob Rules Sabbath with Dio, but he followed that up with Holy Diver and Last In Line. I actually wish he and Vivian hadn't had a falling out. Would love to have gotten more out of that original Dio lineup.
If you think about it, it was almost magical how everything fell into place for Dio.
His band, Elf, opened for Deep Purple just as they were about to experience turmoil, so he hooked up with Blackmore to form Rainbow.
Then he left after three albums - a crying shame because Dio and Blackmore together where gold, actually more than gold, they were golden platinum and sheer brilliance, but he left just at the right time to join with Iommi and do the two Sabbath albums, and right after he quit, he was in a position to do Holy Diver.
So in a way I regret that all these endeavors didn't last, but... one project going on more would have ruled out the other.
Nothing on that list actually. I might have picked Iron Maiden but ultimately I think his leaving for a while was probably for the best, and Accident of Birth and Chemical Wedding might not have happened otherwise.
I agree with Maiden. A post Fear of the Dark album with Bruce would have not been great, and Bruce leaving let us have his solo carrer and then he returned anyway with the proper conditions to kickstart a reunion that lasts to this day.
And I forgot about Helloween. Yeah, another Hansen / Kiske / Weikath album in their glory days would have been awesome.
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tool 5th album :neverusethis:
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tool 5th album :neverusethis:
You beat me to it
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Interesting topic. I went with:
Rainbow - fourth album with Dio
Black Sabbath - follow up to Mob Rules ("The Mob Rules" is the song...the album has no "The") with Dio
Judas Priest - post-Painkiller album with Halford
Other: Rush - post-Signals album with Terry Brown producing
The thing with a lot of these is that you have to consider what you'd be getting. Additional Beatles, Zeppelin and Sabbath with Ozzy albums probably would have been terrible because of personality comments and drugs/alcohol.
A third Ozzy album with Rhoads would probably be my fifth selection.
Maiden was trending downward when Bruce left (although FotD was a bit better than NPftD, so maybe).
Another DT album with Moore? Maybe. Another DT album with MP? After SC and BC&SL? No thanks.
Rainbow was never better than with Dio, so more of that would've been great if Dio staying would have tempered Rainbow's detour into a more commercial style somewhat.
Personality conflicts between Dio, Iommi and Butler would have made another Sabbath album with Dio a bit iffy, but I don't think it would have affected the final product.
Priest was on a HUGE upswing after Ram It Down and Painkiller, so more of that would have been great.
The Rush one is a no-brainer for me. The decision to stop working with Broon was the single worst decision Rush ever made.
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I disagree with the Rainbow comment. I actually like and even sometimes prefer the Joe Lynn Turner years. "Fire Dance" and "Power" are as good as anything in the catalogue (well, nothing touches Stargazer, but after that...).
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Metallica: If Cliff hadn't died
I would've loved another Helloween album with Kai Hansen after Keepers Pt.2.
Yes and Yes!
And, speaking of Yes...
- Post Tormato Yes album with Wakeman.
- Post Slide It In Whitesnake album with, uh, the Slide It In lineup.
I agree with both of these!
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I disagree with the Rainbow comment. I actually like and even sometimes prefer the Joe Lynn Turner years. "Fire Dance" and "Power" are as good as anything in the catalogue (well, nothing touches Stargazer, but after that...).
I like the Turner years too, but they can't touch the three Dio albums (although maybe JLT never did anything as silly as "Do You Close Your Eyes").
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BLACK SABBATH - Follow up to The Mob Rules with Dio
BLACK SABBATH - Follow up to Dehumanizer with Dio
HEAVEN AND HELL - Second album after The Devil You Know
QUEEN - Full post Innuendo album with Freddie
Those four, plus a full on Revenge-style follow from KISS.
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Beatles
Led Zeppelin
Pink Floyd
Dream Theater
Also:
I wonder what Genesis would have come up with after Peter left.
Somebody posted Yes - Post Tormato, I actually thought about that too. But that would have meant that Drama wouldn't exist, plus the Paris sessions demos are .. well, .. let's day I'm glad Drama exists :)
But I WOULD have love to hear Keys To Ascension with the production of Fly From Here.
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I wonder what Genesis would have come up with after Peter left.
I don't. ;D
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Also:
I wonder what Genesis would have come up with after Peter left.
That doesn't interest me, but Genesis if Hackett had stuck around (and been more prominent in the writing and production), maybe.
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Queen and Kevin Moore...
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Rainbow, Judas Priest, follow up to Awake and I wonder how a Pantera album after Reinventing the Steel would go :thinking:
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plus a full on Revenge-style follow from KISS.
That's an interesting one. I really liked Revenge. They kind of did a follow-up with Carnival of Souls, which I also really like. That was a stylistic change from Revenge, though. More grunge and sludgy.
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Jimi Hendrix - Rays of a New Rising Sun
This was the project he was working on when he passed. I read an incredible fiction novel called Glimpses by Lewis Shiner that went into depth about what the album was supposed to be.
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I actually only picked the Heaven And Hell option.
All of the other ones are conclusions of chapters, and most of them were a fine way to put an end to an era. Either that, or they weren't too great, so why follow them up? My pick is the only one where I feel like we really could have used one more record.
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I actually only picked the Heaven And Hell option.
All of the other ones are conclusions of chapters, and most of them were a fine way to put an end to an era. Either that, or they weren't too great, so why follow them up? My pick is the only one where I feel like we really could have used one more record.
I've tried convincing myself that a follow-up DT album with KevMo exists in a vault somewhere, only because I like to dream of what another KevMo record would sound like :lol
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Rainbow with Dio
Don't care much about others, but would've liked to check out the next Heaven and Hell album, next DT with Kevin Moore and yeah, Helloween after Keeper pt. 2 with Kai.
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I'm hesitant to mention Savatage also. On one hand, I'm completely happy with the album that followed Edge of Thorns. On the other hand, it's a crying shame that such a talented guitarist like Criss Oliva passed away so young.
Also Savatage''s demise itself is to mourn. I've come to accept that they got swallowed up by TSO and that it makes no financial sense to keep the band going, but damn.
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I'm hesitant to mention Savatage also.
Me too! ;D
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I only chose “other”.
I would have loved another Damn Yankees album and another Shadow Gallery album with Mike Baker.
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I would've loved another Queensryche album after Empire.
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Isn't Abbey Road the post Let it Be album? It was recorded after Let it Be.
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Isn't Abbey Road the post Let it Be album? It was recorded after Let it Be.
I'm not expert on The Beatles so I looked it up on Wikipedia before posting. Abbey Road was released 26 September 1969, Let it Be 8 May 1970.
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Isn't Abbey Road the post Let it Be album? It was recorded after Let it Be.
I'm not expert on The Beatles so I looked it up on Wikipedia before posting. Abbey Road was released 26 September 1969, Let it Be 8 May 1970.
But Let It Be was recorded (in fits and starts) between February '68 and February '69. Abbey Road was recorded (also in fits and starts) from March of '69 to August of '69 and released barely a month later (nowadays, "mixing and mastering" can take months).
The "1970" recording is largely NOT the Beatles but the work of Phil Spector as he butchered re-arranged the material that the Beatles gave him (two versions of an album tentatively called "Get Back", one from early '69, and one from late '69, after Abbey Road had been released).
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Isn't Abbey Road the post Let it Be album? It was recorded after Let it Be.
I'm not expert on The Beatles so I looked it up on Wikipedia before posting. Abbey Road was released 26 September 1969, Let it Be 8 May 1970.
Let It Be was recorded before Abbey Road but was scrapped at the time. The band was trying to get back to the basics and there was a lot of in fighting going on. So they got (get) back together (Giggity) and recorded Abbey Road, released it, then released Let It Be after.
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I would've loved another Queensryche album after Empire.
Well played, sir.
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I was really looking forward to hearing what the next A7X albums would have been like after the increase of input from The Rev.
Another Pinkly Smooth album would have been nice too.
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I would've loved another Queensryche album after Empire.
Well played, sir.
In this case, I was being totally serious. :lol
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LED ZEPPELIN - Ninth full album with Bonham
OZZY OSBOURNE - Third album with Rhandy Rhoads
IRON MAIDEN - Follow up to Fear of the Dark with Bruce
DREAM THEATER - Post Awake album with Kevin Moore
3 obvious and 1 not so obvious.
I'll also add in a 4th full ALICE IN CHAINS album with Layne Staley.
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I would've loved another Queensryche album after Empire.
Well played, sir.
In this case, I was being totally serious. :lol
I sure HOPE so. ;)
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Fields - Hollow Mountains
https://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/music/4443169
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Another PoS album with the classic lineup (Daniel, Fredrick, Johan, Johan, and Kristoffer).
Normally I'd say another Queen album, but "The Show Must Go On" is too perfect of a final piece for the band.
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More BOSTON albums with a bit of a harder edge would have been nice.
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plus a full on Revenge-style follow from KISS.
That's an interesting one. I really liked Revenge. They kind of did a follow-up with Carnival of Souls, which I also really like. That was a stylistic change from Revenge, though. More grunge and sludgy.
Yeah, that was an ok album with a couple great tracks. Too grungy, though. I was hoping for another more in your face metal album.
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Others:
U2 - the album after Pop had Pop and the Popmart tour both been a smashing success
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A proper follow up to The Smashing Pumpkins - Machina album with the original lineup.
Follow up album to Dead Again by Type O Negative had Peter Steele not died.
Another Woe of Tyrants album
Another Sieges Even album with the Navigating/Paramount lineup
Another Mars Volta album with the Frances the Mute lineup
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another DIRE STRAITS album
another VAN HALEN album, regardless of singers
a good YES album, regardless of players, but seriously: a follow up to Talk with the Rabin-Yes-lineup could have been great
a fourth ALICE IN CHAINS album with Layne
another SAVATAGE album, NOT TSO
another PORCUPINE TREE album
another GENESIS album with Phil Collins, not too poppy and not too proggy
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Meat Loaf - Bat Out Of Hell 3
With all songs penned by Jim Steinman and no interference from record company/likes of Desmond Child. Now don't get me wrong, I really do like the Bat Out Of Hell 3 that we got but I would love to have seen what could have been with this one. I'd love to see what additional songs we would have got from Steinman, I would have loved to see if Meat did the likes of "We're Still The Children" or "What Part Of My Body" or even the songs that would later end up on Braver.
I am glad that we did eventually get a final album with all Steinman songs, I love that album but it is a shame that it came right at what seems to be the end of Meats singing career and when his voice isn't what it used to be. Something like Going All The Way, or Souvenirs on Bat 3 would have sounded even better.
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I like too The Monster is Loose, but yeah, during Going all the Way even with all the studio work you kinda feel that Meat Loaf's somehow struggling.
There's a section that is previously sung by the female guest, and when that musical passage occours again and it's time for Meat Loaf to sing it, it sounds a bit too flat, the vocal lines requires a slow enunciation and he kinda struggles to sustain those long notes, whereas in the past he would have soared on those vocals.
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I like too The Monster is Loose, but yeah, during Going all the Way even with all the studio work you kinda feel that Meat Loaf's somehow struggling.
There's a section that is previously sung by the female guest, and when that musical passage occours again and it's time for Meat Loaf to sing it, it sounds a bit too flat, the vocal lines requires a slow enunciation and he kinda struggles to sustain those long notes, whereas in the past he would have soared on those vocals.
That's exactly it, in a way I do like the vocals like that because it sort of ties in with the idea of the song, it adds a touch of fragility and character to it. The one thing I can't deny is that whilst the voice is not what it was the passion is still there. At the same time it's like you say, imagine him with those vocals from years ago, he'd have blown that song out of the water.
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Whitesnake follow-up to 1987 had Sykes stayed.
Very much on board with that one .
Would've really liked another Ozzy album with Jake E Lee too.
Yeah these.
Id add another KISS album with Ace and also another with Vinnie Vincent.
A Def Leppard follow up to Hysteria with Steve Clarke and Mutt Lange
More Jason Becker - mankind was robbed of his genius. If there is a God I will personally kick him I n the nuts for that one 😁
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I only chose “other”.
I would have loved another Damn Yankees album and another Shadow Gallery album with Mike Baker.
Two good ones there. Whatever happened to Shadow Gallery?
Another one, if Clockwork Angels followed Counterparts
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Shadow Gallery made one album and two tours with a new singer (saw them both times). Then they've gone silent, I follow Gary Wehrkamp on Facebook and whenever he posts something it's never anything about SG.
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Shadow Gallery made one album and two tours with a new singer (saw them both times). Then they've gone silent, I follow Gary Wehrkamp on Facebook and whenever he posts something it's never anything about SG.
Gary lost his home and studio to a fire a couple of years ago. Nick is friends with him, so he might have some insight into what SG might be up to.
I personally voted for nothing. Definitely NOT Zeppelin - they were on the downside of everything (largely due to Page's and Bonham's addictions), and I think their legacy would have been severely tarnished had they continued on the path that they were on in 1980.
Boston is a good call. The only other one I'd call out that hasn't been mentioned is Triumph with Rik Emmett is something I'd like to have seen continue after Surveillance.
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Iced Earth:
The Crucible of Man with Ripper on vocals. It wouldn't have made the album any better, but at least it would have been consistent.
Dystopia, Plagues of Babylon, and Incorruptible without Stu singing with his silly Barlow voice.
I like The Glorious Burden the way it is, but of course, I'd love to hear Matt's take.
Every album with the Something Wicked This Way Comes line up.
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In a sense to wish for Matt to be on The Glorious Burden means basically to wish 9/11 never happened, since that was the deciding factor for him to change his life.
I'd love too to hear that album with Matt, but I must say that Ripper did a completely amazing job on the ending of High Water Mark. I can't think of, nor I need to hear, anyone else singing the "It's over now we are retreating" section. And the "IT'S ALL MY FAAAUUUULT" part gives me shivers.
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Definitely NOT Zeppelin - they were on the downside of everything (largely due to Page's and Bonham's addictions), and I think their legacy would have been severely tarnished had they continued on the path that they were on in 1980.
You are probably right but as this is highly hypothetical, they could have taken a downtime, got their shit together and maybe record some decent records in the 80s. As it is, Plant put out some good records while Page was mostly inactive. That said a second Coverdale/Page would have also been interesting imo.
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I'll still buy it, but I wish the next Rhapsody of Fire album had Fabio Lione and Luca Turilli on it. :(
I also wish Avantasia's Metal Opera Pt 3 existed and all the other Avantasia albums were released under a different name. But oh well.
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And another one: Stevie Ray Vaughan was clearly on the rise with In Step after coming clean, would have been interesting to have more of him.
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Probably an unpopular opinion, but I would have loved a post-Calling All Stations album by Genesis with Ray Wilson. While it's certainly not their best album, I really like the direction they were heading in, and I really like Ray's solo output since. I think another album or two would have given us some great music and given Ray a bit more recognition. And without it, CAS seems like an afterthought for the band, which is a shame because it is really good.
...And obviously, although Jason is my favorite Metallica member, I've always wondered the direction Metallica would have gone if Cliff was still alive.
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...And obviously, although Jason is my favorite Metallica member, I've always wondered the direction Metallica would have gone if Cliff was still alive.
Most likely the same, I'd wager. The thing about death is that makes you a "legend" and immortal, and sometimes idolized, because you never get to see people's failings. Had Elvis died at 27 like many other people, we'd never have imaged that he would grow to be an overweight drug addict. An alive Kurt Cobain could be either a revered icon of the grunge genre, a living legend, or a fat and bald has-been who, say, had split up Nirvana in 1997 or something to go into a solo carrer that no one would have followed.
Of course it's fun speculating but we can't really, beyond a certain point, imagine how 30 years old Cliff would have behaved based on how he was in his 20's. We think of him playing on those three albums and we can't imagine him "selling out" for lack of a better term, but could have anyone seen Metallica as young hungry kids and imagine them doing Load? but they did. Most likely Cliff would have followed suit as well.
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I like the idea of another Kiss album with Vinnie Vincent. I love the two that they did very much.
As for Cobain, in my opinion, had he lived, he would be Lou Reed. Never quite achieving the same success as he did with his first band, but being a prickly ass and quasi-genre godfather. Maybe gracing us with half-assed Nirvana reunions here and there in and amongst preachy, pretentious solo works.
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The only other one I'd call out that hasn't been mentioned is Triumph with Rik Emmett is something I'd like to have seen continue after Surveillance.
Good call. The Sport of Kings was a bit disappointing, but Surveillance was an improvement. I have a feeling, though, that we'd have gotten many promises that the band was going to return to the glory days of Allied Forces through T7 and been continually disappointed.
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Probably an unpopular opinion, but I would have loved a post-Calling All Stations album by Genesis with Ray Wilson. While it's certainly not their best album, I really like the direction they were heading in, and I really like Ray's solo output since. I think another album or two would have given us some great music and given Ray a bit more recognition. And without it, CAS seems like an afterthought for the band, which is a shame because it is really good.
...And obviously, although Jason is my favorite Metallica member, I've always wondered the direction Metallica would have gone if Cliff was still alive.
What AJFA would sound like if it was finished.
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In a sense to wish for Matt to be on The Glorious Burden means basically to wish 9/11 never happened, since that was the deciding factor for him to change his life.
I'd love too to hear that album with Matt, but I must say that Ripper did a completely amazing job on the ending of High Water Mark. I can't think of, nor I need to hear, anyone else singing the "It's over now we are retreating" section. And the "IT'S ALL MY FAAAUUUULT" part gives me shivers.
Yeah I know. Ripper owns that song. I was listening to a 2004 bootleg of the Gettysburg trilogy and he nailed it. Hell, he was on fire the whole show. Fast forward 3 years at the Wacken show and you could tell he didn't care anymore.
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I was at that Wacken show! cold and muddy night :metal
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Probably an unpopular opinion, but I would have loved a post-Calling All Stations album by Genesis with Ray Wilson. While it's certainly not their best album, I really like the direction they were heading in, and I really like Ray's solo output since. I think another album or two would have given us some great music and given Ray a bit more recognition. And without it, CAS seems like an afterthought for the band, which is a shame because it is really good.
I like parts of Calling All Stations, but it just feels too uneven and unfinished to me to consider it "really good". But yeah, I would have loved to hear a second album from this lineup, as I thought Calling All Stations showed a lot of potential. The mistake they made was calling the band Genesis. It immediately put the listener into a certain mindset, and also obligated Ray Wilson to sing things that were way outside of his range. I get why they called it Genesis, but I think it ultimately worked against them. Call it something else, so everyone understands that this is a different band.
Also, I would love to hear what Dream Theater would have come up with after Falling Into Infinity if they'd kept Derek.
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Scenes from a Memory with his influence, possibly.
Metropolis part II was already a demo, so if it wasn't developed for FII, at worst it would have been a long song on the next album. All things being equal (the band wanting to prove themselves and do whatever they want minus enlisting Jordan), the idea to make Metropolis 2 into an album would have probably arose anyway - has the band ever commented if having Jordan on board influenced them on this? I mean, like "wow, we got Jordan, we can do anything, let's go all the way! yeah, let's do a concept album! hey, what about, since we're at it.... expanding Metropolis 2 into a full album?"
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I only chose “other”.
I would have loved another Damn Yankees album and another Shadow Gallery album with Mike Baker.
Two good ones there. Whatever happened to Shadow Gallery?
Another one, if Clockwork Angels followed Counterparts
There have been enough hints on Facebook of music possibly in the works (mostly on Brendt’s page) that I’m hopeful they’ll eventually have another album. I just don’t think there’s any kind of projected timeline, or guarantee.
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A Def Leppard follow up to Hysteria with Steve Clarke and Mutt Lange
No thank you. I'd rather a follow up to High n Dry with Pete Willis. ;D
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The only other one I'd call out that hasn't been mentioned is Triumph with Rik Emmett is something I'd like to have seen continue after Surveillance.
Good call. The Sport of Kings was a bit disappointing, but Surveillance was an improvement. I have a feeling, though, that we'd have gotten many promises that the band was going to return to the glory days of Allied Forces through T7 and been continually disappointed.
As much as I like Triumph, I think they were on the way down and weren't going to return to the glory days of Just a Game through Thunder Seven again.
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The only other one I'd call out that hasn't been mentioned is Triumph with Rik Emmett is something I'd like to have seen continue after Surveillance.
Good call. The Sport of Kings was a bit disappointing, but Surveillance was an improvement. I have a feeling, though, that we'd have gotten many promises that the band was going to return to the glory days of Allied Forces through T7 and been continually disappointed.
As much as I like Triumph, I think they were on the way down and weren't going to return to the glory days of Just a Game through Thunder Seven again.
Some would say Rush was on the way down after the late 80s as well, but they seemed to do ok. :biggrin:
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No, what they say about Rush is that they were on their way down after the early 80's. ;D
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No, what they say about Rush is that they were on their way down after the early 80's. ;D
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I *really* would have loved to have seen what AC/DC would have been like if Bon were still around... but TBH, I'm not sure it would have been the same.
Isn't it weird when you almost feel like a band was better off with their icon dead? Can you imagine Back in Black even being anywhere close to the massive genre crossing monolith that it was if it wasn't riding on the back of Bon's death? It's almost a shame to say that I don't think it would have.
But I still would have loved to have heard it.
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A Def Leppard follow up to Hysteria with Steve Clarke and Mutt Lange
No thank you. I'd rather a follow up to High n Dry with Pete Willis. ;D
Yeah, good call but then pyromania wouldn't exist.
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Metallica - AJFA with Cliff
Tesseract w/ Ashe
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I like Altered State a lot but Polaris and Sonder are my favorites, so I'm glad Dan is back. I've also seen them with both singers and I think Daniel can pull it off live considerably better.
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I like Altered State a lot but Polaris and Sonder are my favorites, so I'm glad Dan is back. I've also seen them with both singers and I think Daniel can pull it off live considerably better.
I haven't listened to anything since Altered State. I did not like Dan's vocals on the album previous so I have no desire to try them again. +1 for more TesseracT with Ashe.
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I like Altered State a lot but Polaris and Sonder are my favorites, so I'm glad Dan is back. I've also seen them with both singers and I think Daniel can pull it off live considerably better.
I haven't listened to anything since Altered State. I did not like Dan's vocals on the album previous so I have no desire to try them again. +1 for more TesseracT with Ashe.
Would it help to know that the two new ones don't have the screaming that One has? I think you should give them a spin - maybe something changed and his voice would be more appealing to you now.
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Probably an unpopular opinion, but I would have loved a post-Calling All Stations album by Genesis with Ray Wilson. While it's certainly not their best album, I really like the direction they were heading in, and I really like Ray's solo output since. I think another album or two would have given us some great music and given Ray a bit more recognition. And without it, CAS seems like an afterthought for the band, which is a shame because it is really good.
I like parts of Calling All Stations, but it just feels too uneven and unfinished to me to consider it "really good". But yeah, I would have loved to hear a second album from this lineup, as I thought Calling All Stations showed a lot of potential. The mistake they made was calling the band Genesis. It immediately put the listener into a certain mindset, and also obligated Ray Wilson to sing things that were way outside of his range. I get why they called it Genesis, but I think it ultimately worked against them. Call it something else, so everyone understands that this is a different band.
Also, I would love to hear what Dream Theater would have come up with after Falling Into Infinity if they'd kept Derek.
I still haven't listened to CaS all the way through, but I've heard and really like the title track.
I do wonder what would have happened to them if they had stuck it out for a second album. I've looked up a bit about the album and it seems Ray was certainly keen to but Mike/Tony not so much?
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Would it help to know that the two new ones don't have the screaming that One has? I think you should give them a spin - maybe something changed and his voice would be more appealing to you now.
Yes that does help. Wasn't a fan of Dan screaming.
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Probably an unpopular opinion, but I would have loved a post-Calling All Stations album by Genesis with Ray Wilson. While it's certainly not their best album, I really like the direction they were heading in, and I really like Ray's solo output since. I think another album or two would have given us some great music and given Ray a bit more recognition. And without it, CAS seems like an afterthought for the band, which is a shame because it is really good.
I like parts of Calling All Stations, but it just feels too uneven and unfinished to me to consider it "really good". But yeah, I would have loved to hear a second album from this lineup, as I thought Calling All Stations showed a lot of potential. The mistake they made was calling the band Genesis. It immediately put the listener into a certain mindset, and also obligated Ray Wilson to sing things that were way outside of his range. I get why they called it Genesis, but I think it ultimately worked against them. Call it something else, so everyone understands that this is a different band.
Also, I would love to hear what Dream Theater would have come up with after Falling Into Infinity if they'd kept Derek.
I still haven't listened to CaS all the way through, but I've heard and really like the title track.
I do wonder what would have happened to them if they had stuck it out for a second album. I've looked up a bit about the album and it seems Ray was certainly keen to but Mike/Tony not so much?
By most accounts, Tony wasn't thrilled with touring theaters and small arenas after being a stadium act with Phil for the past five odd years. It's my understanding that as goes Tony Banks, so goes Genesis, and he was done with it.
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A Def Leppard follow up to Hysteria with Steve Clarke and Mutt Lange
No thank you. I'd rather a follow up to High n Dry with Pete Willis. ;D
Yeah, good call but then pyromania wouldn't exist.
Why wouldn't Pyromania exist? Wasn't Pyromania largely "a follow up to High n Dry with Pete Willis"? He co-wrote nearly half of the songs and played rhythm guitar on all of them. Wasn't Collen a last minute replacement who contributed relatively little to the album?
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Great idea for a thread! I went with a 4th Rainbow album with Dio. It would have been interesting if Ian Gillan hadn't turned Blackmore down. Then he would have been on the 4th album instead of Bonnet.
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A Def Leppard follow up to Hysteria with Steve Clarke and Mutt Lange
No thank you. I'd rather a follow up to High n Dry with Pete Willis. ;D
Yeah, good call but then pyromania wouldn't exist.
Why wouldn't Pyromania exist? Wasn't Pyromania largely "a follow up to High n Dry with Pete Willis"? He co-wrote nearly half of the songs and played rhythm guitar on all of them. Wasn't Collen a last minute replacement who contributed relatively little to the album?
Replacing Willis with Collen, was the best decision Def Lep ever made!
Anyway, I would have loved to hear another AiC album with Layne. Or maybe another Faith No More album after Album of the Year, but before Sol Invictus.
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The Who - Lifehouse
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Probably an unpopular opinion, but I would have loved a post-Calling All Stations album by Genesis with Ray Wilson. While it's certainly not their best album, I really like the direction they were heading in, and I really like Ray's solo output since. I think another album or two would have given us some great music and given Ray a bit more recognition. And without it, CAS seems like an afterthought for the band, which is a shame because it is really good.
I like parts of Calling All Stations, but it just feels too uneven and unfinished to me to consider it "really good". But yeah, I would have loved to hear a second album from this lineup, as I thought Calling All Stations showed a lot of potential. The mistake they made was calling the band Genesis. It immediately put the listener into a certain mindset, and also obligated Ray Wilson to sing things that were way outside of his range. I get why they called it Genesis, but I think it ultimately worked against them. Call it something else, so everyone understands that this is a different band.
Also, I would love to hear what Dream Theater would have come up with after Falling Into Infinity if they'd kept Derek.
I still haven't listened to CaS all the way through, but I've heard and really like the title track.
I do wonder what would have happened to them if they had stuck it out for a second album. I've looked up a bit about the album and it seems Ray was certainly keen to but Mike/Tony not so much?
By most accounts, Tony wasn't thrilled with touring theaters and small arenas after being a stadium act with Phil for the past five odd years. It's my understanding that as goes Tony Banks, so goes Genesis, and he was done with it.
That's a bit of an oversimplification, but yeah. It wasn't that Banks felt demeaned doing smaller venues after filling stadiums or anything; it's that it was a sign that Genesis was over. The poor sales of the album and poor ticket sales to the shows (which led to many shows, and eventually the tour itself, being cancelled) I'm sure was a blow to the ego, but more realistically, the idea of starting small again and building back up just didn't seem worth it. He was "only" 47, but had been in Genesis since he was 19. He'd toured the world, played huge venues, had a lot of fun, but it was time to do something else.
It was only Tony and Mike. Ray certainly wasn't calling the shots, Mike still has/had The Mechanics, so when Tony decided Genesis was over, it's not like they were going to find another keyboard player and carry on. Ray may have wanted to, but I'm sure Mike's feelings were much closer to Tony's.
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And another one: Stevie Ray Vaughan was clearly on the rise with In Step after coming clean, would have been interesting to have more of him.
Hell of a good call there he was definitely finding his own after sobriety found him, would've been awesome to see where it took him.
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And another one: Stevie Ray Vaughan was clearly on the rise with In Step after coming clean, would have been interesting to have more of him.
Hell of a good call there he was definitely finding his own after sobriety found him, would've been awesome to see where it took him.
Absolutely
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The Who - Lifehouse
Hmm... that's a choice I neve rwould have considered. While interesting, I think Pete's vision might have bitten off more than he and his band mates could chew at the time, and they ultimately chose the better path, the one that gave us Who's Next.
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I certainly wouldn't want to lose SFAM, but it would be interesting to see what would have become of the Metropolis Pt. 2 if it had remained a self-contained song and not morphed into a concept album.
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I certainly wouldn't want to lose SFAM, but it would be interesting to see what would have become of the Metropolis Pt. 2 if it had remained a self-contained song and not morphed into a concept album.
I'm one of the biggest fans of SFAM ever, but sometimes I wonder it too. More precisely: yeah, we basically got the best album ever of the entire history of mankind (told I'm a big fan of the album ;D ), but the price we had to pay for that is that we didn't get a proper "song".
If I hear a "Metropolis pt. 1", I could anticipate that pt. 2, while not being directly in the same style, keeps the mood of the first part of the song and I can look forward to a song with the same vibe of the centerpiece of Images and Words... we never got that, like instead we got In the Presence of Enemies pt. 2 (just pretend they would have been on separate albums).
Not complaining 'cause as I said SFAM is awesome beyond all words, but a little part of me misses Metropolis part 2 the song. We can pretend it's Home in a sense, Home for me the deserves the title of "imaginary Metropolis pt. 2 standalone song", because of all the lyrical and musical callbacks.
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Peter Gabriel - I/O
Jon Anderson - Zamran
Jon Anderson - The Big If
Pink Floyd - Household Objects
The Spent Poets - Steve
These all were released in demo form other than Shaming, but I can only imagine how they would have been had they been finished as the artist intended, and at-the-time.
Kaviar - Kaviar
Jeff Buckley - Sketches (for My Sweetheart the Drunk)
The Beach Boys - Smile
Kevin Gilbert - The Shaming of the True
No Album info, but these collaborations likely would have released albums:
H.E.L.P. (Hendrix, Emerson, Lake and Palmer)
XYZ
Cinema
Second Nature (Matheos, Morse, Trewavas and Portnoy)
OSI with Gildenlow and/or John Arch on vocals
Genesis with Kevin Gilbert singing and/or producing (was Calling All Stations)
Dream Theater with Kevin Gilbert producing (was Falling Into Infinity)
The Dear Hunter - Migrant featuring Kimbra (her record label wouldn't let her appear on this I guess)
Hypothetical (Portnoy):
Portnoy + Akerfeldt (+ Steven Wilson)
Portnoy + Ty Tabor and any of the members of Jellyfish in a Power-Pop band
Portnoy + Daniel Gildenlow in a band writing and recording all-new, original music
Portnoy + Jim Matheos (not OSI obviously)
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Was I/O what later became "Up"? What do you suppose was or would have been different?
I almost put down XYZ and Cinema. I would have loved either (and still waiting for Trevor to release the 20 min. + "Cinema" song).
Please, no offense, but the "Proposed Portnoy" do nothing for me; Portnoy Sykes, though, YES PLEASE!, and I would love a new Twisted Sister record with Mike on the skins.
Oh, and Velvet Revolver with Myles Kennedy just because more Myles is good Myles.
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And I would have liked another White Lion album with Vito Bratta. Guy could definitely play guitar and than just vanished from the music scene. ???
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And I would have liked another White Lion album with Vito Bratta. Guy could definitely play guitar and than just vanished from the music scene. ???
Agreed . I can take or leave Mike Tramp but would've liked some more from Bratta in something.
A bit more obscure but I was also a fan of Marc Richard Diglio (XYZ) and would've liked something more from him/them.
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Oh, and Velvet Revolver with Myles Kennedy just because more Myles is good Myles.
Really good call. I've always wondered what could have been if he took that gig.
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Was I/O what later became "Up"? What do you suppose was or would have been different?
I almost put down XYZ and Cinema. I would have loved either (and still waiting for Trevor to release the 20 min. + "Cinema" song).
Please, no offense, but the "Proposed Portnoy" do nothing for me; Portnoy Sykes, though, YES PLEASE!, and I would love a new Twisted Sister record with Mike on the skins.
Oh, and Velvet Revolver with Myles Kennedy just because more Myles is good Myles.
I/O
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I/O_(album)
although I posted something in my blog in 2013 with an interview with Gabriel talking about wanting to focus on it finally, but the songs were not fully written. At the same time, I read another interview within the last couple of years with Gabriel that he mentioned he didn't know if he could sing many of the songs for I/O now, compared to when he originally wrote them. At least how he intended them to be sung.
Also on Velvet Revolver, I'll Add Velvet Revolver and/or any project Jimmy Gnecco of Ours with Slash beyond the live benefits they did together.
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Thank you, sir; I learned something from that. I always thought I/O was an embryonic version of Up, but that's not apparently the case.
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There was an hard rock band I was in a few years ago, actually in the mid nineties. We had some great originals and had a good following around our area. After the bass player moved away back to Massachusetts from here (Washington State), we got a new bass player and the band took a weird direction and for some reason it all fizzled out. We had easily two albums worth of strong songs that never got recorded to see the light of day.
I've been in bands since where we wrote and recorded some decent music, but we had something much more special back then.. Talk about one that got away.. 😟
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Bummer about the one that got away. But look at it this way: You got to create some great music with some great fellow musicians. The fact that you never managed to record it means that anyone who heard it live, including yourselves, "had to be there" -- and that adds infinite value to the experience. How can you place a value on something that happened exactly once, and will never be repeated?
I've got some great memories of playing with folks over the years, and sure, I wish some of it was recorded. But it wasn't. You had to be there.
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Thanks Orbert, that's a good way to look at it for sure! :tup
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Anything more with Ray Gillen. Dude had the worst timing in rock.
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Anything more with Ray Gillen. Dude had the worst timing in rock.
Good call.
I like Badlands but would love Ray to have done more in the hard rock/metal vein .............a la Sabbath/Phenomena
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I stated it a bit earlier, but any readers here with an interest in this topic need to read a fantastic fantasy novel called Glimpses by Lewis Shiner. In it a stereo repairman is trying to find solace in the death of his father and the breakdown of his marriage, and he does in music. In this process he finds he can recall and get on tape unfinished masterpieces, done through a sort of time travel where he interacts with the artists and fixes what stopped the albums from being finished in the first place, and gets them done and done properly. They dive deep into the history and stories behind The Doors- Celebration of the Lizard, Beach Boys- Smile, and Hendrix- Rays of a New Rising Sun. It's a killer read for any rock fan.
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It's got to be that one last Beatles album.
Has anyone read the short story "The Twelfth Album" by Stephen Baxter? A pair of engineers are sorting through a dead crew-mate's belongings and come across his collection of Beatles albums. Only there's one extra...
It's a great tale that really makes you want to hear what the Beatles would have done with songs like Instant Karma, Imagine, My Sweet Lord and Maybe I'm Amazed.
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Just thought of this the other day.
Beautiful Sin - a follow up to “The Unexpected”. Such a great album. Too bad this group was one and done.
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I just listened to the first U.K. album and thought about Bill Bruford. It seems that he has been involved with plenty of bands but I would have loved to hear him on more records:
- A second U.K. album with Bruford
- Follow-up on Close To The Edge with Bruford
- More songs on Seconds Out with Bruford
- More songs on Yessongs with Bruford
(Or the last two completely with him. There are tons of other recordings of the respective bands with White/Thompson)
BTW, I am NOT saying the mentioned albums aren't great as they are. Tales, Danger Money, Yessongs and Seconds Out are tremendous albums. But I love Bills playing and I would have loved to hear what he would have done with material like Tales - or freakin RELAYER!!!
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Is Made In Heaven not considered a full Queen album? Judging by what they've released without Freddie (that Paul Rodgers album was so awful) I would say maybe it was good to end it there.
I only picked 3 which was more Moore in DT, more Guns N' Roses with the original(ish) line up following UYI and more Deep Purple with Blackmore following The Battle Rages On. Much as I like Steve Morse, and his first album with them is decent, I haven't like anything since Purpendicular and a lot of that is due to the lack of any memorable riffs or solos.
I'm also going to add that I would have loved another Opeth metal record and this isn't about the vocals, I love Akerfeldt's clean vocals, it's about the style of music, the huge majestic sound they had with great melodies and crushing riffs compared to the grim dirge they've put out since.
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Is Made In Heaven not considered a full Queen album?
It is, but some of the songs were previously recorded, for sessions of years before, and some others had to be finished by Brian May and Roger Taylor on vocals because Freddie couldn't complete all his parts, such as in Mother Love. Made in Heaven is legitimately Queen's last album, performed by all of its members, but Innuendo is the last album where all the songs were new and the singer could sing them all without health problems.
Basically the question, more simply, was "would you wish another Queen album after Innuendo had Freddie lived and stayed in good health".
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I just listened to the first U.K. album and thought about Bill Bruford. It seems that he has been involved with plenty of bands but I would have loved to hear him on more records:
- A second U.K. album with Bruford
- Follow-up on Close To The Edge with Bruford
- More songs on Seconds Out with Bruford
- More songs on Yessongs with Bruford
(Or the last two completely with him. There are tons of other recordings of the respective bands with White/Thompson)
BTW, I am NOT saying the mentioned albums aren't great as they are. Tales, Danger Money, Yessongs and Seconds Out are tremendous albums. But I love Bills playing and I would have loved to hear what he would have done with material like Tales - or freakin RELAYER!!!
I'm with you 100% on the Bruford/Genesis thing. There are a couple more songs on the Archive 2 box set, and of course the "In Concert" film, but there should be a proper live album from that tour.
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For a while there, I held Bill Bruford in somewhat low regard. I got better.
It came entirely from album credits, and obviously only from albums I had. Bill was the original drummer for Yes, but he left. On Yessongs, Alan White stepped up and has a much more powerful sound, so I figured okay, Yes traded up in the drumming department just as they did in the keyboards and guitar department. Then on Seconds Out, kinda the same thing. It's a document from two tours, but for whatever reason they chose almost all stuff that Chester Thompson played on, so I figured Bill must be kind of a loser. Everybody seems to prefer someone else. Hey it was like 1977 and I didn't know any better. I hadn't yet discovered King Crimson or U.K., or I'd've probably come to a different conclusion.
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It's got to be that one last Beatles album.
Has anyone read the short story "The Twelfth Album" by Stephen Baxter? A pair of engineers are sorting through a dead crew-mate's belongings and come across his collection of Beatles albums. Only there's one extra...
It's a great tale that really makes you want to hear what the Beatles would have done with songs like Instant Karma, Imagine, My Sweet Lord and Maybe I'm Amazed.
Interesting.... I'm not really a fan of most of the solo work of JPG&R, and I particularly don't care for John's stuff. I'm curious, though, why it would be called "The Twelfth Album." While the actual number of albums in the pre-Revolver period is a bit blurry, I don't see how one can come up with a number less than 12.
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It's got to be that one last Beatles album.
Has anyone read the short story "The Twelfth Album" by Stephen Baxter? A pair of engineers are sorting through a dead crew-mate's belongings and come across his collection of Beatles albums. Only there's one extra...
It's a great tale that really makes you want to hear what the Beatles would have done with songs like Instant Karma, Imagine, My Sweet Lord and Maybe I'm Amazed.
Interesting.... I'm not really a fan of most of the solo work of JPG&R, and I particularly don't care for John's stuff. I'm curious, though, why it would be called "The Twelfth Album." While the actual number of albums in the pre-Revolver period is a bit blurry, I don't see how one can come up with a number less than 12.
The UK releases total 11, if you don't count the EP - Magical Mystery Tour - and the George Martin soundtrack - Yellow Submarine.
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Redemption - Long Night's journey into Day with Ray Alder :biggrin:
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It's got to be that one last Beatles album.
Has anyone read the short story "The Twelfth Album" by Stephen Baxter? A pair of engineers are sorting through a dead crew-mate's belongings and come across his collection of Beatles albums. Only there's one extra...
It's a great tale that really makes you want to hear what the Beatles would have done with songs like Instant Karma, Imagine, My Sweet Lord and Maybe I'm Amazed.
We already got Abbey Road. No way they could have topped that.
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Speaking of the Beatles, if John Lennon hadn't been killed, do you think they would have reunited for Live Aid? I mean, the scale of that would have been massive. It would have been real interesting if they had decided after a Live Aid reunion, to make a comeback album. I really wonder what that album might have sounded like.
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Well, history is teaching us that eventually everyone (well, very very almost everyone) reunite. A reunion of some sorts, even for a one-off like Pink Floyd did in 2005, could have been very likely.
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Speaking of the Beatles, if John Lennon hadn't been killed, do you think they would have reunited for Live Aid? I mean, the scale of that would have been massive. It would have been real interesting if they had decided after a Live Aid reunion, to make a comeback album. I really wonder what that album might have sounded like.
I have zero doubt that they would have done SOMETHING. John was clearly mellowing in his middle age, and if McCartney has shown us anything in the last 30 years of his career, he's generally up for anything. Ringo wouldn't even have hesitated, not because he's the lesser of the four, but just because that's his nature, amiable guy who isn't going to be the roadblock. The wild card would have been George, who rightfully earned that reputation of being prickly just for the sake of being prickly. (I do, though, think that guys like Dylan, Orbison, Clapton could have convinced him to do it for artistic posterity).
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McCartney has said a few times that he thinks The Beatles would have gotten back together at some point, for something. A one-off performance like Live Aid would certainly fit that bill.
I agree that Ringo would've done it because Ringo will play with anyone, plus he seemed to be the one that got along with all the others better than anyone else. George would've come around. I think those posthumous releases ("Free as a Bird" and I think there was another, equally forgettable one) show that he was willing to put aside his personal feelings and do something for its own sake. True, working with John posthumously was probably easier than working with him while he was alive, but the principle is similar.
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McCartney has said a few times that he thinks The Beatles would have gotten back together at some point, for something. A one-off performance like Live Aid would certainly fit that bill.
I agree that Ringo would've done it because Ringo will play with anyone, plus he seemed to be the one that got along with all the others better than anyone else. George would've come around. I think those posthumous releases ("Free as a Bird" and I think there was another, equally forgettable one) show that he was willing to put aside his personal feelings and do something for its own sake. True, working with John posthumously was probably easier than working with him while he was alive, but the principle is similar.
"Real Love".
Interesting story: I saw King Crimson in New Haven in November of 1995, and for Adrian's solo spot he came out and said (I'm paraphrasing) "Hey, I know all of you are waiting for that new Beatles song to come out, so I thought I would blow the surprise and play it for you now". And he played this song, nice, but a little twee and we all sort of laughed at how cheeky Adj was. Fast forward about two weeks and the song is actually released... and son of a bitch if it wasn't the song that Belew played for us at the show.
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For a while there, I held Bill Bruford in somewhat low regard. I got better.
It came entirely from album credits, and obviously only from albums I had. Bill was the original drummer for Yes, but he left. On Yessongs, Alan White stepped up and has a much more powerful sound, so I figured okay, Yes traded up in the drumming department just as they did in the keyboards and guitar department. Then on Seconds Out, kinda the same thing. It's a document from two tours, but for whatever reason they chose almost all stuff that Chester Thompson played on, so I figured Bill must be kind of a loser. Everybody seems to prefer someone else. Hey it was like 1977 and I didn't know any better. I hadn't yet discovered King Crimson or U.K., or I'd've probably come to a different conclusion.
Interesting. I personally liked Bill better than Alan from the very first listen...
I had to laugh at your "I figured Bill must be some kind of a loser" comment :lol But you're right, I always wondered why his recordings were often not chosen. Maybe it's because he left and he and the the (respective) band didn't split up in good terms? Or maybe this is just simple coincidence and the recordings with the other guys just have better sound.. Who knows.
I hope you have changed your mind and that now you admire him, otherwise :censored !!!
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Oh yeah, I've definitely changed my mind since then. A long time ago, actually. But when all you have to go by is what little you've been exposed to at the time, all you can do is draw your own conclusions.
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Damn Yankees - Album #3 :metal
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Oh yeah, I've definitely changed my mind since then. A long time ago, actually. But when all you have to go by is what little you've been exposed to at the time, all you can do is draw your own conclusions.
Man sometimes I wish I would have been exposed to the music of that time AT that time. I'm 25 and my music taste is the music taste of a 59 year old prog fan.
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It was definitely something else to live through that time. Each new album was an event. Unless you or someone you knew followed the fan magazines, you had no idea when things were coming out. You just went to the record store one day and BOOM! new album by one of your favorite bands! Hope you have five bucks on you.
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I remember going to the record store, not to buy something I had in mind, but just to look if there is a new album by one of my favorite artists. And then going home and putting the record on the stereo with the sleeve in your hands and following the lyrics while you were listening for the first time.
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I remember going to the record store, not to buy something I had in mind, but just to look if there is a new album by one of my favorite artists. And then going home and putting the record on the stereo with the sleeve in your hands and following the lyrics while you were listening for the first time.
I always do that when a new record of my favorite bands comes out :)
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I still like to do that too, but more often than not I just don't have the time to sit down and just listen to a record all the way through. So I listen to it in the car on my way to work or while I do other stuff. But then I can't immerse myself into the music like I used to do.
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After a while, it was simply "the ritual". Totally absorbing everything you could about the new album. The lyrics, the pictures, even the production credits and who plays what on each song if they have that.
These days, my car during my commute is my listening room, and I catch up on the liner notes separately. Not really the same, but at least the audio in my car blows away the little stereo I had in junior high, so there is that.
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Fritzinger, it was more than that. Orbert is only talking about one aspect of it. Yeah, you had no idea when a release was coming out, but further, you had no idea about ANYTHING, except what might be leaked out by a magazine like Cream or Hit Parader, and even then, the writers were more interested in their take on things than any real insight. There was MYSTERY about bands. I only ever knew what Sabbath looked like from the pictures on the album covers (and if you've seen "Sabotage" you know that that's not a ton of good info). There was no Twitter, there was no "The Osbornes" reality TV bullshit, there was just the myth, the legend. When Orbert said "totally absorbing everything you could about the new album", it doesn't do it justice; it was hunting for every little scrap in what was otherwise a desert of information.
There were no "making of..." DVDs with albums, there was no "Behind The Music", there was no "EPK", there was no Twitter/Facebook/website to explain the releases and build temptation... for the very biggest bands, you MIGHT get an advance single* and maybe a poster at the record store saying an album would be released in the coming weeks.
* Didn't help much, because if there was a dearth of info on the records, the singles were even worse. At best, it was a 12" with a picture on the front and writing credits on the back - ala Iron Maiden - but at worst (and typically) it was a 7" with a plain paper cover.
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Voted for follow-up to Dehumanizer with Dio, because it's by far my favorite Dio-era and non-Ozzy Sabbath album, and it feels like such a waste that things fizzled out again between them so quickly and for such a relatively trivial reason as supporting Ozzy for a couple of shows.
Another Floyd album with Waters would probably have been a disaster, given the growing rift between him and Gilmour - let's face it, The Final Cut isn't exactly a masterpiece either. While a third Ozzy album with Rhoads would've been cool, I read that he'd planned on leaving before his death, so we might not have got one even if he'd survived. Also, as much as I love KevMo-era DT, I'm glad he left because otherwise we wouldn't have Chroma Key, or at least Dead Air for Radios could be a lot different.
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Voted for follow-up to Dehumanizer with Dio, because it's by far my favorite Dio-era and non-Ozzy Sabbath album, and it feels like such a waste that things fizzled out again between them so quickly and for such a relatively trivial reason as supporting Ozzy for a couple of shows.
I seem to recall that Dio saw that as an excuse for a reunion, which was actually planned before eventually falling through. It was not just about the opening slot, it was a "I know this might lead to a reunion so I won't do it".
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Voted for follow-up to Dehumanizer with Dio, because it's by far my favorite Dio-era and non-Ozzy Sabbath album, and it feels like such a waste that things fizzled out again between them so quickly and for such a relatively trivial reason as supporting Ozzy for a couple of shows.
Another Floyd album with Waters would probably have been a disaster, given the growing rift between him and Gilmour - let's face it, The Final Cut isn't exactly a masterpiece either. While a third Ozzy album with Rhoads would've been cool, I read that he'd planned on leaving before his death, so we might not have got one even if he'd survived. Also, as much as I love KevMo-era DT, I'm glad he left because otherwise we wouldn't have Chroma Key, or at least Dead Air for Radios could be a lot different.
I am one of the few (pun intended) who love The Final Cut. It has its very own melancholic, depressing character and I love it.
That being said, I agree that another PF album with Roger right after this one probably would have ended in a disaster or David and Roger beating the shit out of each other. But rumours say that they have been getting along just fine for years and I think an album with the 4 of them around 2000 would have been awesome.
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That being said, I agree that another PF album with Roger right after this one probably would have ended in a disaster or David and Roger beating the shit out of each other. But rumours say that they have been getting along just fine for years and I think an album with the 4 of them around 2000 would have been awesome.
Getting along with someone doesn't mean you can work with them again.
The fact that we got Gilmour, Waters, Wright and Mason all playing together at Live 8 was a minor miracle. We didn't need another album and/or full length tour with all four. That ship sailed in the early 80's.
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I think past a certain point, where too many years have passed, band reuniting would be like your christmas dinner with ex schoolmates. Sure, those two hours spent in company are nice, once a year, but going back to be together all the time? nah, everyone's moved on.
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I am one of the few (pun intended) who love The Final Cut. It has its very own melancholic, depressing character and I love it.
I like The Final Cut too.
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I am one of the few (pun intended) who love The Final Cut. It has its very own melancholic, depressing character and I love it.
I like The Final Cut too.
Me three. There are some beautiful melodies on that record. The "There's a boy..." section of "The Final Cut"... gets me every time.
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Yeah, I don't even consider myself a Pink Floyd fan, but I do have WYWH, Animals, and The Final Cut. When it came out, I remember a radio show where Waters was on talking about it song by song, and I remember being captivated by the interview.
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I am one of the few (pun intended) who love The Final Cut. It has its very own melancholic, depressing character and I love it.
I like The Final Cut too.
Me three. There are some beautiful melodies on that record. The "There's a boy..." section of "The Final Cut"... gets me every time.
Gilmour also plays one of his finest solos ever in the title track. Very simple, yet very effective.
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Voted for follow-up to Dehumanizer with Dio, because it's by far my favorite Dio-era and non-Ozzy Sabbath album, and it feels like such a waste that things fizzled out again between them so quickly and for such a relatively trivial reason as supporting Ozzy for a couple of shows.
I seem to recall that Dio saw that as an excuse for a reunion, which was actually planned before eventually falling through. It was not just about the opening slot, it was a "I know this might lead to a reunion so I won't do it".
Ah, fair enough. Still, Ozzy didn't come back until 5 years later, so it would've been cool to get more music with Dio in the meantime.
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Helloween: follow up to The Dark Ride with Grapow and Kusch.
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also id like to add Magica 2 & 3. Dio was working on them before he passed. Electra was the only song to be completed or at least the only one released.
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Having listened to a shit ton of XTC in the last few months, I would have loved for them to have stuck their foot in the deep end of prog for an album. Sure, Andy Partridge expressed disdain for prog in their This Is Pop documentary, but quite a bit of their mid to later material gives you that vibe where had they taken a left turn instead of a right, it could have been kinda proggy.
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Eros by Deftones was almost complete before Chi's car accident. The song Smile (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eW_LIgEsjQ) is the only thing released from it. Anyway, hopefully it is released as whole some day. But if not, I will totally accept it.
At least I can say I'm happy there was no follow-up to Fear of the Dark with Bruce, since The X Factor and Bruce's solo material are at minimum very good. Oh yes! The follow-up to The Chemical Wedding with the Bruce Dickinson solo band (Roy Z-Smith-Cassillas-Ingraham). I'd gladly give all post reunion Iron Maiden albums in exchange for that.
An album by Tapeworm (supergroup featuring Trent Reznor and Maynard James Keenan) would be nice. Don't know how much of it was recorded after all. The song Passive by A Perfect Circle was originally written for Tapeworm.
Kevin Moore staying with DT would've been good since my favourite DT records are the first three.'
Follow-up to Dead Again by Type O Negative. DA is a great record, I like how they opted to use live drums again, how Kenny sang on multiple songs, how there were many long epic tracks... Too bad Peter died.
And of course, the third Animal Alpha LP ;D. I think I used to rave about them a lot back in 2012, but they're still my all-time favourite band, even though they're very obscure.
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Whitesnake with Coverdale - Sykes - Lord - Murray - Powell
Pink Floyd with Gilmour - Mason - Waters - Wright
Kiss with Vincent
Dream Theater with Petrucci - Myung - LaBrie - Portnoy - Moore
Dream Theater with Petrucci - Myung - LaBrie - Portnoy - Sherinian
David Lee Roth with Vai - Sheehan - Bissonette
Van Halen with Gary Cherone
Kansas with Livgren and Walsh
Megadeth with Friedman and Menza
Paice Ashton Lord
Queensryche with DeGarmo
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Ozzy album with Randy
Maiden FOTD follow up with Bruce
Painkiller follow up with Rob
DT album with MP.
Even though I rate TXF and Jugulator highly, I would have still loved to hear follow ups with Bruce and Rob.
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Whitesnake with Coverdale - Sykes - Lord - Murray - Powell
Pink Floyd with Gilmour - Mason - Waters - Wright
Kiss with Vincent
Dream Theater with Petrucci - Myung - LaBrie - Portnoy - Moore
Dream Theater with Petrucci - Myung - LaBrie - Portnoy - Sherinian
David Lee Roth with Vai - Sheehan - Bissonette
Van Halen with Gary Cherone
Kansas with Livgren and Walsh
Megadeth with Friedman and Menza
Paice Ashton Lord
Queensryche with DeGarmo
Wait..don't these albums already exist??
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Whitesnake with Coverdale - Sykes - Lord - Murray - Powell
Pink Floyd with Gilmour - Mason - Waters - Wright
Kiss with Vincent
Dream Theater with Petrucci - Myung - LaBrie - Portnoy - Moore
Dream Theater with Petrucci - Myung - LaBrie - Portnoy - Sherinian
David Lee Roth with Vai - Sheehan - Bissonette
Van Halen with Gary Cherone
Kansas with Livgren and Walsh
Megadeth with Friedman and Menza
Paice Ashton Lord
Queensryche with DeGarmo
Wait..don't these albums already exist??
I mean one more of them.
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A world where Jason Becker never got ALS.
An Ace Frehley album as good as his 78 solo album.
A Virgin Steele album with the production values DeFeiss’ talent deserves.
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A world where Jason Becker never got ALS.
An Ace Frehley album as good as his 78 solo album.
A Virgin Steele album with the production values DeFeiss’ talent deserves.
All of this.
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And most of all: this!
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And most of all: this!
Ha! The one that would have interested me* was conspicuously absent from TAC’s quote!
*not familiar with Jason Becker, but I do wish he hadn’t gotten ALS, which is awful.
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A world where Criss Oliva wasn't driving his car that tragic night.
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And most of all: this!
Ha! The one that would have interested me* was conspicuously absent from TAC’s quote!
:lol
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Fifth METALLICA album with Cliff Burton on Bass and Flemming producing.
Or just And Justice For All with Cliff on Bass and Master of Puppets production.
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Fifth METALLICA album with Cliff Burton on Bass and Flemming producing.
Or just And Justice For All with Cliff on Bass and Master of Puppets production.
I would love to have an interdimensional cable version of a 4th Metallica album with Cliff on bass, since I actually wouldn't want to alter the actual Metallica career.
Though Justice with a fantastic mix would be nice. Not sure I'd want an MoP production, but something a bit closer to how they sound live would be good.
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A world where Criss Oliva wasn't driving his car that tragic night.
So very true :-[
I love his guitar work SO much. And Edge of Thorns is such a fantastic album, with just the right amount of easy-listening mixed in with classic Savatage sound. He had so much more to give. It's crazy to think that because of that night we'll never hear it...
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I still don't see what everyone else does in Savatage.
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Not even Gutter Ballet? Or Edge of Thorns? (so we don't go too deep into their "Broadway-metal" phase)
Or earlier albums like Sirens, Power of the Night, Hall of the Mountain King?
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Been a long time since I did a run through. The albums that would have the best chance musically, would be Sirens or Power Of The Night but they have Jon Oliva on vocals vomiting all over himself.
I actually saw Savatage on the Hall Of The Mountain King tour, opening for Dio/Megadeth in 1987 and they were one of the 5 worst opening bands I've ever seen. Jon Oliver had a long purple robe on, screaming and screeching like a possessed Barney.
I took a picture at the show!
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZYJu7wzhwfM/hqdefault.jpg)
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Tim, Criss Oliva was one of my fav guitarists when discovering Savatage. He probably still would make my top 5, but one thing I realised after your UFO thread was how much he was a Schenker fan. So much Schenker in his tone, phrasing and feel, it's quite incredible.
I can understand people not fully digging them though, they had a unique sound and each album had it's own personality. Jon was definitely an acquired taste though, I can see that.
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Tim, Criss Oliva was one of my fav guitarists when discovering Savatage. He probably still would make my top 5, but one thing I realised after your UFO thread was how much he was a Schenker fan. So much Schenker in his tone, phrasing and feel, it's quite incredible.
I can understand people not fully digging them though, they had a unique sound and each album had it's own personality. Jon was definitely an acquired taste though, I can see that.
Hey, I never say never, but I honestly have never found Savatage's music very interesting. I found the Zak Stevens Era kind of generic. At least the Jon Oliva Era had some character.
I would be very happy to listen to anything you recommend as far as Chris Oliva goes. :)
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Let me have a crack at my top Oliva tracks;
He Carves His Stone
Summers Rain
Hounds
Follow Me
Hall of the Mountain King
Ghost in the Ruins
Strange Wings
Gutter Ballet
24 Hours Ago
Power of the Night
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No joke, this would have been my exact same list!
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Let me have a crack at my top Oliva tracks;
He Carves His Stone
Summers Rain
Hounds
Follow Me
Hall of the Mountain King
Ghost in the Ruins
Strange Wings
Gutter Ballet
24 Hours Ago
Power of the Night
Damn :lol Off the top of your head :lol
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Zak Stevens' performance on the whole of Edge of Thorns is his best, imo. and the guitar playing on it is crazy good. So, if you are looking for non-Jon Oliva material that you might enjoy, the Edge of Thorns album is the way to go, I think. And He Carves His Stone and Follow Me might just be the best songs on it, so...(well, with the title-track too, although it's less of a guitar showcase...)
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That would be more from a guitar point of view but still most among my favs.
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-An album from: Second Nature: Mike Portnoy, Neal Morse, Pete Trawavas, Jim Matheos
-An album from OSI (or whatever name it would have been called) - Jim Matheos, Mike Portnoy, Sean Malone, Daniel Gildenlow
-Happy the Man - An album working with Peter Gabriel (they were going to but the band broke up before they had a chance)
-HELP - Jimi Hendrix, Keith Emerson, Greg Lake, Carl Palmer
-XYZ - Jimmy Page, Chris Squire, Alan White, Dave Lawson
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Zak Stevens' performance on the whole of Edge of Thorns is his best, imo. and the guitar playing on it is crazy good. So, if you are looking for non-Jon Oliva material that you might enjoy, the Edge of Thorns album is the way to go, I think. And He Carves His Stone and Follow Me might just be the best songs on it, so...(well, with the title-track too, although it's less of a guitar showcase...)
I'll add the solos on Degrees of Sanity and Miles Away, holy shit this guy was gifted.
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-An album from: Second Nature: Mike Portnoy, Neal Morse, Pete Trawavas, Jim Matheos
-An album from OSI (or whatever name it would have been called) - Jim Matheos, Mike Portnoy, Sean Malone, Daniel Gildenlow
-Happy the Man - An album working with Peter Gabriel (they were going to but the band broke up before they had a chance)
-HELP - Jimi Hendrix, Keith Emerson, Greg Lake, Carl Palmer
-XYZ - Jimmy Page, Chris Squire, Alan White, Dave Lawson
Hey, we're having a conversation here. :lol
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Zak Stevens' performance on the whole of Edge of Thorns is his best, imo. and the guitar playing on it is crazy good. So, if you are looking for non-Jon Oliva material that you might enjoy, the Edge of Thorns album is the way to go, I think. And He Carves His Stone and Follow Me might just be the best songs on it, so...(well, with the title-track too, although it's less of a guitar showcase...)
I'll add the solos on Degrees of Sanity and Miles Away, holy shit this guy was gifted.
I do remember He Carves His Stone as pretty rocking.
I have a busy weekend so I'll get back to you guys next week.
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Student giving the teacher homework. How the tables have turned!
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I'll add to the list...
Liquid Tension Experiment: Mike Portnoy, Tony Levin, Jordan Rudess, Dimebag Darrell
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I'll add to the list...
Liquid Tension Experiment: Mike Portnoy, Tony Levin, Jordan Rudess, Dimebag Darrell
What an odd combination. Dime was brilliant, but don't see him being able to keep up with the other three.
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Fifth METALLICA album with Cliff Burton on Bass and Flemming producing.
Or just And Justice For All with Cliff on Bass and Master of Puppets production.
I would love to have an interdimensional cable version of a 4th Metallica album with Cliff on bass, since I actually wouldn't want to alter the actual Metallica career.
Though Justice with a fantastic mix would be nice. Not sure I'd want an MoP production, but something a bit closer to how they sound live would be good.
Yes I meant 4th.
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Following on from my comment on the Maiden thread, a beautifully produced and mixed Maiden album you can test your stereo with. Still haven’t had one of those. Maybe next time?
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The new Anderson/Rabin/Wakeman album that was supposed to happen but never came to fruition for some weird reason.. :mehlin
One more Rush album to make it a nice round number of twenty studio albums. Hopefully, we get some new music from Geddy and Alex in the near future.
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A Black Sabbath Dehumanizer style album with Rob Halford. I thought he sounded fantastic singing computer god when he filled in for those shows in 1992. A whole album would've been interesting to hear
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I'll add to the list...
Liquid Tension Experiment: Mike Portnoy, Tony Levin, Jordan Rudess, Dimebag Darrell
What an odd combination. Dime was brilliant, but don't see him being able to keep up with the other three.
Yeah, they'd do fucking laps around him for sure.
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I'll add to the list...
Liquid Tension Experiment: Mike Portnoy, Tony Levin, Jordan Rudess, Dimebag Darrell
What an odd combination. Dime was brilliant, but don't see him being able to keep up with the other three.
Yeah, they'd do fucking laps around him for sure.
So Dimebag, this next section will be a oscillating mixolydian/Phrygian lick in 17/18 being subdivided between 4/5/3/5. Cool?
Yea....I'm gonna do some pinch harmonics and people will not care what ya'll are doing.
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I'll add to the list...
Liquid Tension Experiment: Mike Portnoy, Tony Levin, Jordan Rudess, Dimebag Darrell
What an odd combination. Dime was brilliant, but don't see him being able to keep up with the other three.
Yeah, they'd do fucking laps around him for sure.
So Dimebag, this next section will be a oscillating mixolydian/Phrygian lick in 17/18 being subdivided between 4/5/3/5. Cool?
Yea....I'm gonna do some pinch harmonics and people will not care what ya'll are doing.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That was a good one.
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A Black Sabbath Dehumanizer style album with Rob Halford. I thought he sounded fantastic singing computer god when he filled in for those shows in 1992. A whole album would've been interesting to hear
Oooh, that's a good one. I like that idea.
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A world where Jason Becker never got ALS.
An Ace Frehley album as good as his 78 solo album.
A Virgin Steele album with the production values DeFeiss’ talent deserves.
I'd take something from Vito without Mike Tramp. I have the four White Lion records with Bratta and they're good, but I just can't connect with those vocals.
Oh, and Ace's Anomaly is close. I really dig that album. The Sweet cover is killer and Too Many Faces is excellent.
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I, and possibly I alone, would have liked to hear a second Cherone VH album as was in the works before they parted ways.
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I, and possibly I alone, would have liked to hear a second Cherone VH album as was in the works before they parted ways.
I would have listened to that. I'm a big Cherone fan. I know I would have liked to have seen a tour.
I'm also in the minority in that I would have taken another Deep Purple album with JLT (though the album that preliminary work became, The Battle Rages On, is one of my favorites, so I want that album to remain as well).
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I, and possibly I alone, would have liked to hear a second Cherone VH album as was in the works before they parted ways.
I also would have been stoked for an EVH instrumental album, just something completely different from Van Halen.
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I, and possibly I alone, would have liked to hear a second Cherone VH album as was in the works before they parted ways.
I also would have been stoked for an EVH instrumental album, just something completely different from Van Halen.
Oh yeah, that would have been cool to hear. Maybe someday someone will curate and release all the material he supposedly has recorded over the years that was never used.
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I, and possibly I alone, would have liked to hear a second Cherone VH album as was in the works before they parted ways.
I also would have been stoked for an EVH instrumental album, just something completely different from Van Halen.
Oh yeah, that would have been cool to hear. Maybe someday someone will curate and release all the material he supposedly has recorded over the years that was never used.
I imagine that is going to be an absolute treasure trove.
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I, and possibly I alone, would have liked to hear a second Cherone VH album as was in the works before they parted ways.
If they would have put in some effort in a second record, give it time and really work on the songs AND have a decent production, that could have been a really good record.
I have a soft spot for the Cherone fronted VH but some songs on III just don't work and the production sounds like it was recorded in someones garage.
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A world where Jason Becker never got ALS.
An Ace Frehley album as good as his 78 solo album.
A Virgin Steele album with the production values DeFeiss’ talent deserves.
I'd take something from Vito without Mike Tramp. I have the four White Lion records with Bratta and they're good, but I just can't connect with those vocals.
Oh, and Ace's Anomaly is close. I really dig that album. The Sweet cover is killer and Too Many Faces is excellent.
I agree on Tramp’s vocals. He was there for his looks.
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I, and possibly I alone, would have liked to hear a second Cherone VH album as was in the works before they parted ways.
If they would have put in some effort in a second record, give it time and really work on the songs AND have a decent production, that could have been a really good record.
I have a soft spot for the Cherone fronted VH but some songs on III just don't work and the production sounds like it was recorded in someones garage.
I pretty much think it was. :) :) :)
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Ed had his 5150 studio, he should have been able to make VH3 sound better.
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When I see a necropost like this, I usually assume WildRanger is behind it! :lol
I dont' remember if I posted in this thread previously, but the obvious answers here are
1. More Rush albums with Terry Brown producing.
2. More Rainbow albums with Dio.
3. Another Dio album with Sabbath immediately following Mob Rules.
4. Triumph reuniting and picking up in the vein of Thunder Seven.
EDIT: Just noticed that there was a poll attached to this and that I did respond and mentioned 1-3 already. :)
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For curiosity sake:
-Seasons End with Fish on vocals. It kind of was what Vigil in the Wilderness of Mirrors in some ways.
-No Exit with John Arch on vocals
-Drama with Jon Anderson on vocals
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For curiosity sake:
-Seasons End with Fish on vocals. It kind of was what Vigil in the Wilderness of Mirrors in some ways.
-No Exit with John Arch on vocals
-Drama with Jon Anderson on vocals
When I listen to Season’s End I can hear Fish singing on it in my head.
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3. Another Dio album with Sabbath immediately following Mob Rules.
Well, we got Holy Diver.. I would've rather that than another Sabbath record.
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Pretty disappointed Beautiful Sin never made a second album. Their debut was awesome.
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A world where Jason Becker never got ALS.
An Ace Frehley album as good as his 78 solo album.
A Virgin Steele album with the production values DeFeiss’ talent deserves.
I'd take something from Vito without Mike Tramp. I have the four White Lion records with Bratta and they're good, but I just can't connect with those vocals.
Oh, and Ace's Anomaly is close. I really dig that album. The Sweet cover is killer and Too Many Faces is excellent.
I agree on Tramp’s vocals. He was there for his looks.
I always really liked Tramp's vocals, very unique voice and a big reason why White Lion became successful. Vito Bratta is a insanely good guitar player!
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White Lion became succesful??
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More music from Vito Bratta
A world where Jason Becker never got ALS.
An Ace Frehley album as good as his 78 solo album.
A Virgin Steele album with the production values DeFeiss’ talent deserves.
I'd take something from Vito without Mike Tramp. I have the four White Lion records with Bratta and they're good, but I just can't connect with those vocals.
Oh, and Ace's Anomaly is close. I really dig that album. The Sweet cover is killer and Too Many Faces is excellent.
I agree on Tramp’s vocals. He was there for his looks.
I always really liked Tramp's vocals, very unique voice and a big reason why White Lion became successful. Vito Bratta is a insanely good guitar player!
I don't think Tramp is a great singer, but he was also the songwriter (along with Bratta) and in terms of the genre he wasn't that bad of a singer. I agree he was somewhat unique. It's not like a record company put the band together and picked him for his looks or anything like that.
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White Lion became succesful??
Very much so in the late eighties. It's too bad the grunge era took over, I think White Lion would have had a longer run. Their last and underrated album "Mane Attraction" is fantastic! They did manage to put out four good albums.
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White Lion became succesful??
Dude, how old are you? Wait and When the Children Cry were freaking HUGE!
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I wish GTR followed through with a second album.
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White Lion became succesful??
Dude, how old are you? Wait and When the Children Cry were freaking HUGE!
He's OLD - the dementia is kicking in! :biggrin:
Anyway - this is a great thread! Surprised I didn't see it when it was initially posted. Glad it was resurrected! I went with:
Ozzy Osbourne - third Randy Rhoads album
DT - fourth KM album
DT - eleventh MP album
others (please specify)
Huge list for "others":
DT - followup to Awake with Jordan
DT - followup to FII with Derek
LTE - with Billy Sheehan and Jens Johansson
LTE - immediate followup to LTE2
Rush - GUP with Steve Lillywhite producing
Rush - followup to Clockwork Angels
Rush - immediate followup to Test for Echo had Neil not had his tragedies
Riverside - followup to LFatTM with Piotr Grudziński
Threshold - immediate followup to Psychedelicatessen with Glynn Morgan
Transatlantic - immediate followup to Bridge Across Forever
Judas Priest - followup to Painkiller with Halford
Iron Maiden - followup to SSoaSS with Adrian Smith
Deep Purple - album with Satriani
Deep Purple - second album with Joe Lynn Turner
Black Sabbath - followup to Mob Rules with Dio
Black Sabbath - followup to Born Again with Gillan
Queen - full followup album to Innuendo with Freddie
Queensryche - followup to HitNF with Chris Degarmo
Queensryche - followup to Q2K with Kelly Gray
Whitesnake - followup to 1987 with John Sykes
Journey - album with JSS on vocals
Megadeth - followup to SFSGSW with Dimebag
Metallica - followup to MoP with Cliff
Metallica - AJFA properly mixed by the producer and mixer instead of the band taking over
Def Leppard - followup to Hysteria with Steve Clark
Van Halen - followup to 1984 with DLR
Van Halen – followup to VH3 with Gary Cherone
Depeche Mode - followup to Songs of Faith and Devotion with Alan Wilder
Dokken - immediate followup to Back for the Attack
Don Dokken - second album
Saigon Kick - immediate followup to The Lizard with Matt Kramer
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Journey - album with JSS on vocals
Oh, I'll go with Perry hanging around for a follow up to Trial By Fire.
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but as much as I love FII, I would be interested to hear what it would have sounded like had Kevin Gilbert been able to produce it.
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White Lion became succesful??
Dude, how old are you? Wait and When the Children Cry were freaking HUGE!
I'm old enough to know that White Lion were never Freaking HUGE? :lol
They had a couple of small hits you mentioned on Pride, but I seriously don't recall a single song by them after that.
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White Lion became succesful??
Dude, how old are you? Wait and When the Children Cry were freaking HUGE!
I'm old enough to know that White Lion were never Freaking HUGE? :lol
They had a couple of small hits you mentioned on Pride, but I seriously don't recall a single song by them after that.
I suppose it is a relative term LOL
But I would classify them at least as big as Ratt… and they were pretty big during the hair metal phase.
Let’s put it this way. Their videos were in constant rotation on MTV. LOL
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Ratt at least headlined arenas. White Lion wasn't even close in popularity. They were basically hair metal one hit wonders. Pride went double platinum on the strength of the two tracks you mentioned, and Big Game went Gold. Clearly a big let down.
Ratt's first album went Triple Platinum, the second one went Double Platinum, and the next two went Platinum each, followed by a Gold record.
J-Dude, I think you need to go for your 80's Hard Rock Recertification. Seems your license has run out. ;D
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White Lion were good, which for me as a listener is much better than if they were successful but boring. ;)
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White Lion were good, which for me as a listener is much better than if they were successful but boring. ;)
That’s fair. :tup
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White Lion were good, which for me as a listener is much better than if they were successful but boring. ;)
Thay have many great songs besides the hits from Pride. "Lady of The Valley" and "Lights and Thunder", both epic tracks with some great instrumental sections. The production on the album Mane Attraction is stellar..
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I'm a big fan of all four records, Big Game is probably my favorite. And I saw them on the Mane Attraction tour, co-headlining with Mr. Big. That was a killer concert.
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I'm a big fan of all four records, Big Game is probably my favorite. And I saw them on the Mane Attraction tour, co-headlining with Mr. Big. That was a killer concert.
I would have loved to have been there for that one! :coolio
Big Game is another good album, I love the guitar solo in Little Fighter.
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And I saw them on the Mane Attraction tour, co-headlining with Mr. Big.
I saw them in 1987, 3rd on the bill behind Frehley's Comet and Y&T (headliner).
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Ratt at least headlined arenas. White Lion wasn't even close in popularity. They were basically hair metal one hit wonders. Pride went double platinum on the strength of the two tracks you mentioned, and Big Game went Gold. Clearly a big let down.
Ratt's first album went Triple Platinum, the second one went Double Platinum, and the next two went Platinum each, followed by a Gold record.
J-Dude, I think you need to go for your 80's Hard Rock Recertification. Seems your license has run out. ;D
In time both faded away.
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-HELP - Jimi Hendrix, Keith Emerson, Greg Lake, Carl Palmer
-XYZ - Jimmy Page, Chris Squire, Alan White, Dave Lawson
Oh, yeah
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White Lion became succesful??
Dude, how old are you? Wait and When the Children Cry were freaking HUGE!
He's OLD - the dementia is kicking in! :biggrin:
Huge list for "others":
Deep Purple - album with Satriani
Deep Purple - second album with Joe Lynn Turner
Yes!
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Transatlantic - immediate followup to Bridge Across Forever
yes, yes, yes!
Although i worry it might have ended up being like a Secular version of Testimony, but even if that had happened, I'd be awfully curious.
Lightning-in-a-bottle theory, which it seems like that is gone and likely will never comeback.
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I also wish there was one more THERAPY? album with Fyfe Ewing on drums after Infernal Love.
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I'm a big fan of all four records, Big Game is probably my favorite. And I saw them on the Mane Attraction tour, co-headlining with Mr. Big. That was a killer concert.
I would have loved to have been there for that one! :coolio
Big Game is another good album, I love the guitar solo in Little Fighter.
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I was so disappointed in Big Game after the excellent Pride. The guitar sound was so weak and “nice”. It didn’t rock at all.
Mane Attraction was better, but Pride was their best.
Saw them live a couple of times and they were very good live.
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Transatlantic - immediate followup to Bridge Across Forever
yes, yes, yes!
Although i worry it might have ended up being like a Secular version of Testimony, but even if that had happened, I'd be awfully curious.
Lightning-in-a-bottle theory, which it seems like that is gone and likely will never comeback.
The one drawback to getting another TA album right after BAF is that we likely wouldn't have gotten The Whirlwind in '09. I am not a believer in "change this thing in the middle and everything after still turns out the same way." Had they done a 3rd album in '03 or '04, they might have gone the Whirlwind-type format on that one and then might not have wanted to go with that format again on the 4th album (whenever that would have been). Sure, it would have been interesting to see what the 3rd album would have sounded like had it come a year or two after Bridge..., but I will take the greatness of The Whirlwind over the curiosity of "what could have been" any day of the week. :biggrin:
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Agree great things came as a result of all these conclusions but I believe DIO would've still happened after Sabbath regardless a year or two (albeit possibly without Campbell so for arguments sake who knows how DIO may have fared otherwise?) but out of curiosity went with one more album with the RJD lineup!
To this day feel was a shame we missed that 3rd album while they were at the top of their game.
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Transatlantic - immediate followup to Bridge Across Forever
yes, yes, yes!
Although i worry it might have ended up being like a Secular version of Testimony, but even if that had happened, I'd be awfully curious.
Lightning-in-a-bottle theory, which it seems like that is gone and likely will never comeback.
The one drawback to getting another TA album right after BAF is that we likely wouldn't have gotten The Whirlwind in '09. I am not a believer in "change this thing in the middle and everything after still turns out the same way." Had they done a 3rd album in '03 or '04, they might have gone the Whirlwind-type format on that one and then might not have wanted to go with that format again on the 4th album (whenever that would have been). Sure, it would have been interesting to see what the 3rd album would have sounded like had it come a year or two after Bridge..., but I will take the greatness of The Whirlwind over the curiosity of "what could have been" any day of the week. :biggrin:
Yeah, I'm with you. Things happen the wya they do for a reason. And I also believe that some of the best music comes out of turmoil, so "another album with "x"" is kind of playing with fire, because we might not have gotten that LAST album had it not been so conflicted.
Anyway, suspending reason, I would have liked one more record with the "Slide It In" version of Whitesnake. Cozy, Sykes, the rest of them. That's still my favorite Whitesnake record and probably always will be.
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I don't know if I mentioned this earlier in this thread, but the big one for me is a post Union Yes album with Rick Wakeman and Trevor Rabin. I wonder if they would have taken advantage of the possibilities that lineup would have presented. Also, I would have liked to have seen an official live album from the Rabin years as well. A show from the Talk tour would have been great.
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3. Another Dio album with Sabbath immediately following Mob Rules.
Well, we got Holy Diver.. I would've rather that than another Sabbath record.
Good point. You get one and you can't have the other, and I can't imagine liking another Dio/Sabbath album as much as I like Holy Diver.
White Lion became succesful??
Dude, how old are you? Wait and When the Children Cry were freaking HUGE!
I'm old enough to know that White Lion were never Freaking HUGE? :lol
They had a couple of small hits you mentioned on Pride, but I seriously don't recall a single song by them after that.
I suppose it is a relative term LOL
But I would classify them at least as big as Ratt… and they were pretty big during the hair metal phase.
Let’s put it this way. Their videos were in constant rotation on MTV. LOL
I'm with Tim. Pride went 2x Platinum, but the follow up only went Gold. Wait and When the Children Cry spent a few months in heavy rotation on MTV, and their lousy cover of Radar Love got some play, but that's about it. WL spent most of '87 and '88 opening for bands like Aerosmith, Ozzy and AC/DC, but they never headlined arenas.
Ratt, on the other hand, had four consecutive Platinum albums (with two of them going multi-Platinum) and spent pretty much all of the second half of the '80s headlining arenas.
Both bands disappeared by the time the '80s were done.
And I saw them on the Mane Attraction tour, co-headlining with Mr. Big.
I saw them in 1987, 3rd on the bill behind Frehley's Comet and Y&T (headliner).
White Lion didn't really have a "tour" in support of Mane Attraction. In May and June 1991, they played 24 dates in Europe (about half on the continent and half in the UK) at 1,500-3,000 seat venues. They then did four U.S. dates in late August/early September at similarly sized venues. After that they broke up.
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I saw them in the uk n the Mane Attraction tour in a venue less than 1500 capacity. They burned bright but not for long.
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I saw them in the same venue I saw DT a couple of times.
And I think 24 dates is a tour, maybe a small one, but still a tour.
And all this is totally irrelevant to the wish Lowdz expressed and I supported to hear more from Vito Bratta.
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I saw them in the uk n the Mane Attraction tour in a venue less than 1500 capacity. They burned bright but not for long.
Mane attraction. :lol
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Not sure it's been mentioned but a follow up to Killers with Di'anno would've been interesting. I always had a special thing for early punky Maiden.
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Not sure it's been mentioned but a follow up to Killers with Di'anno would've been interesting. I always had a special thing for early punky Maiden.
Did you follow DiAnno throughout the rest of the 80's? Some good stuff there.
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Not sure it's been mentioned but a follow up to Killers with Di'anno would've been interesting. I always had a special thing for early punky Maiden.
Did you follow DiAnno throughout the rest of the 80's? Some good stuff there.
Actually no, haven't heard much from Di'annos stuff after Maiden. I did see him live once but he mostly played Maiden from what I remember. I will check it out now that you mention it.
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Not sure it's been mentioned but a follow up to Killers with Di'anno would've been interesting. I always had a special thing for early punky Maiden.
Did you follow DiAnno throughout the rest of the 80's? Some good stuff there.
Actually no, haven't heard much from Di'annos stuff after Maiden. I did see him live once but he mostly played Maiden from what I remember. I will check it out now that you mention it.
Well, here's his 80's output..
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/83/Di%27Anno_1984.jpg)
This came out in 1984 and has a real AOR feel. Nothing close to Maiden. Their wardrobe was sponsored. :lol My favorite track is Tales Of The Unexpected.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahiq7OhR3GM
(https://img.discogs.com/P9wr1jM6HgDPfkJKZK3R66NSaHw=/fit-in/600x607/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-2700603-1558026734-5987.jpeg.jpg)
Released in 1985, this is a three track EP. You can see the lineup right on the cover. Past and Future Maiden.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuAzi-PlaNw
(https://img.discogs.com/zUDUNMaE0eQpyG3i_3zYE1ZdUdI=/fit-in/595x595/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-3608152-1467066958-9085.jpeg.jpg)(https://img.discogs.com/jsisIHN2gvIPf-6MGQP75jFNwEE=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-2010408-1579442182-2694.jpeg.jpg)
These are the two Battlezone albums. The first one, Fighting Back ('86) is actually really heavy. The second one, Children Of Madness ('87) has a much more polished sound.
From Fighting Back
The Land God Gave To Cain (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDj1mejDbkY)
From Children Of Madness
Whispered Rage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIK47TY0BDo)
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I don't know if I mentioned this earlier in this thread, but the big one for me is a post Union Yes album with Rick Wakeman and Trevor Rabin.
Ooo - that reminds me:
Yes Union without all the meddling by Jon Anderson and Jonathan Elias, as well as a followup with the whole band performing instead of being divided into ABWH and Yes West.
Not sure it's been mentioned but a follow up to Killers with Di'anno would've been interesting. I always had a special thing for early punky Maiden.
Good call! Not super huge on the debut, but I chalk this up more to the production/mix than the content. And I absolutely love Killers. So yeah, a third Maiden with Di'anno is another I'd be interested in. Not only that, but also the debut album with Martin Birch producing/mixing.
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I don't know if I mentioned this earlier in this thread, but the big one for me is a post Union Yes album with Rick Wakeman and Trevor Rabin.
Ooo - that reminds me:
Yes Union without all the meddling by Jon Anderson and Jonathan Elias, as well as a followup with the whole band performing instead of being divided into ABWH and Yes West.
I'd just take the raw tapes without the Elias meddling. Though the ABWH songs suffered for not having Squire on there; his presence was really lacking.
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Not sure it's been mentioned but a follow up to Killers with Di'anno would've been interesting. I always had a special thing for early punky Maiden.
Did you follow DiAnno throughout the rest of the 80's? Some good stuff there.
Actually no, haven't heard much from Di'annos stuff after Maiden. I did see him live once but he mostly played Maiden from what I remember. I will check it out now that you mention it.
Well, here's his 80's output..
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/83/Di%27Anno_1984.jpg)
This came out in 1984 and has a real AOR feel. Nothing close to Maiden. Their wardrobe was sponsored. :lol My favorite track is Tales Of The Unexpected.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahiq7OhR3GM
(https://img.discogs.com/P9wr1jM6HgDPfkJKZK3R66NSaHw=/fit-in/600x607/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-2700603-1558026734-5987.jpeg.jpg)
Released in 1985, this is a three track EP. You can see the lineup right on the cover. Past and Future Maiden.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuAzi-PlaNw
(https://img.discogs.com/zUDUNMaE0eQpyG3i_3zYE1ZdUdI=/fit-in/595x595/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-3608152-1467066958-9085.jpeg.jpg)(https://img.discogs.com/jsisIHN2gvIPf-6MGQP75jFNwEE=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-2010408-1579442182-2694.jpeg.jpg)
These are the two Battlezone albums. The first one, Fighting Back ('86) is actually really heavy. The second one, Children Of Madness ('87) has a much more polished sound.
From Fighting Back
The Land God Gave To Cain (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDj1mejDbkY)
From Children Of Madness
Whispered Rage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIK47TY0BDo)
Yea that wasn't exactly the most exciting stuff i've heard. Kinda cool hearing Gogmagog with Clive but the music was pretty meh.
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Well it's not Killers for sure. I bought those albums as they were released, and enjoyed them a lot. It was always nice to hear Paul. He does have a good voice.