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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: bill1971 on June 04, 2018, 09:23:04 AM
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After many many years, I decided to try listening to it again. I really seem to love a certain era of the 50's and 60's, Art Blakely, Miles Davis, Lee Morgan oh and Thelonious Monk. Anyhow, many of you hear seem to share my love of prog so I was just curious about this.
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Dunno what’s pretentious about it, Jazz is just another style of music.
I probably listen to jazz more than anything else these days. Been really into the bop stuff lately: Charlie Parker, Dizzy, etc
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[looks at avatar]
Eh, it's ok I guess...
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[looks at avatar]
Eh, it's ok I guess...
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I really like Lazy Bird. I just started listening to the top 200 classic jazz list on Youtube and as I like them, I add them to my own playlist and that one made it to me.
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Dunno what’s pretentious about it, Jazz is just another style of music.
I probably listen to jazz more than anything else these days. Been really into the bop stuff lately: Charlie Parker, Dizzy, etc
I don't find it pretentious but when some people talk about it , it sounds that way.
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It's only pretentious when you start to categorize and prioritize it like it's something more "advanced" than other genres.
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It's only pretentious when you start to categorize and prioritize it like it's something more "advanced" than other genres.
That's 90% of the discussion here in GMD :rollin
You might want to check out Coltrane's A Love Supreme. It's a 33 minute piece in three movements. It's much more expansive than typical hard bop, and might appeal to folks who like prog. It actually took a couple of years for it to click for me, but when it did, it blew my mind.
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It's only pretentious when you start to categorize and prioritize it like it's something more "advanced" than other genres.
That's 90% of the discussion here in GMD :rollin
You might want to check out Coltrane's A Love Supreme. It's a 33 minute piece in three movements. It's much more expansive than typical hard bop, and might appeal to folks who like prog. It actually took a couple of years for it to click for me, but when it did, it blew my mind.
Thank you. I will.
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"Pretentious" = derived from the word "Pretend" = Insincere.
I don't follow how it would be insincere to say you listen to or like Jazz.
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"Pretentious" = derived from the word "Pretend" = Insincere.
I don't follow how it would be insincere to say you listen to or like Jazz.
Never mind.
I regret putting that in my subject line
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I studied Jazz guitar, but oddly enough, I have started listening to A LOT OF JAZZ after I finished my studies.
I'm not such a big fan of Coltrane (sawry), rather of the mellow Jazz, where you can feel every single note. I'm talking Bill Evans, Miles, Dave Brubeck, Chet Baker, and especially Paul Desmond, the latter probably being my favorite sax player over all. As a guitarist, I am also a huge admirer of John Scofield and Pat Metheny (surprise).
Sometimes I miss a little Jazz vibe in prog. Not only in harmonies. But there are very few drummers who can rock, groove AND swing.
I went to see Sco in Rotterdam about 1,5 years ago. To say the least, my mind was blown. He's also the coolest dude ever.
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Of course not. It is against the rules of the forum to listen to anything outside of metal or prog. :-*
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I don't hear any jazz here. Is there a forum music player that *should* be playing jazz right now? It'd be like MySpace for cool-cats... :hat
-Marc.
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It's only pretentious when you start to categorize and prioritize it like it's something more "advanced" than other genres.
That's 90% of the discussion here in GMD :rollin
You might want to check out Coltrane's A Love Supreme. It's a 33 minute piece in three movements. It's much more expansive than typical hard bop, and might appeal to folks who like prog. It actually took a couple of years for it to click for me, but when it did, it blew my mind.
About 23 minutes in. Thank you for the recommendation. Really enjoying it so far.
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I like smooth or acid jazz more than good ol' "jazz" but I like a few tunes. Played piano in my high school jazz band, got to play Herbie Hancock's "Dolphin Dance" and had a really long solo section, my favorite of all 4 years of high school, but it never got played live. :yeahright
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I enjoy all kinds of jazz from time to time other than maybe freeform jazz, which can be a bit too much.
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Ironically, I credit the man in my avatar and my namesake, Neil Peart, for introducing me to the world of Jazz. I payed no attention to it at all. Then he fired up his Burning For Buddy project where he had a stellar list of drummers play tracks with Buddy Rich's band. I bought the first one simply as a Neil completest and was blown away by it.
I am very particular about what I listen to regarding Jazz. No lyrical, it has to be instrumental. I love the big band swing stuff that Buddy was doing back in the 50's, as well as some Gene Krupa stuff. Phil Collins big band album is quite good. I have some Dizzy, Thelonious, Brubeck stuff in my collection. I also really love Fusion. My go to there is Frank Gambale. His Coming To Your Senses record is just amazing. Probably a desert island disc for me. Also some Simon Phillips stuff as well.
This is one area where I feel I still need to explore much more and expand my collection. It can be overwhelming and time consuming, which is probably why I haven't really worked on it too much.
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I know it's considered a shade dated now, and I get that it could be dismissed as a little derivative, but I LOVE those mid-70's Jeff Beck albums, and I love the early Brand X records with Phil Collins.
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I am very particular about what I listen to regarding Jazz. No lyrical, it has to be instrumental. I love the big band swing stuff that Buddy was doing back in the 50's, as well as some Gene Krupa stuff. Phil Collins big band album is quite good. I have some Dizzy, Thelonious, Brubeck stuff in my collection. I also really love Fusion. My go to there is Frank Gambale. His Coming To Your Senses record is just amazing. Probably a desert island disc for me. Also some Simon Phillips stuff as well.
I would suggest you check out the album Kilimanjaro by The Rippingtons, and songs like Jacaranda by Incognito. You might like those.
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I have some Miles Davis, Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane CDs. Good stuff, even if I rarely listen to them.
I am a big fan of the fusion stuff Jeff Beck did in the 70's.
The fusion stuff Herbie Hancock did back in the day is pretty bad ass. Head Hunters and Thrust are both terrific.
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My take on jazz is largely derived from my experience listening to my daughter's school bands over the past three years. She played (flute) in her school's intermediate band as a 6th grader and was in the advanced and jazz bands the last two years. Of the stuff she has played in jazz band, I would say I've probably liked about half of it, and I'm usually fond of the faster tempo stuff.
Earlier this year, her school's band was selected as one of six middle school jazz band's to play at the Monterey Next Generation Jazz Festival. I drove up and helped "roadie" for the band and also attended various performances, including a "judge's concert" the night before. I pretty much hated all of that because it was nothing but the members of the group taking turns on LONG, self-indulgent solos.
One of these days, I want to try more fusion because I've tended to like the little bits that I've heard.
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Totally do. Piano stuff, mainly. Dave Brubeck. Monk. And dine modern things. Hiromi. Neil Cowley. Gogo Penguin.
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My take on jazz is largely derived from my experience listening to my daughter's school bands over the past three years. She played (flute) in her school's intermediate band as a 6th grader and was in the advanced and jazz bands the last two years. Of the stuff she has played in jazz band, I would say I've probably liked about half of it, and I'm usually fond of the faster tempo stuff.
Earlier this year, her school's band was selected as one of six middle school jazz band's to play at the Monterey Next Generation Jazz Festival. I drove up and helped "roadie" for the band and also attended various performances, including a "judge's concert" the night before. I pretty much hated all of that because it was nothing but the members of the group taking turns on LONG, self-indulgent solos.
One of these days, I want to try more fusion because I've tended to like the little bits that I've heard.
You do realize you are on Dream Theater forum?
I am with you, I like when members play off each other, which I also think DT does quite well, I was making a joke.
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I remember a song we did in high school - Take The A Train, an old standard - and for some reason the band teacher let everybody and anybody take a solo. We had 10 solos on that piece, and only one person had any actual jazz experience as far as soloing and knowing what to actually do (and it wasn't me). That poor audience :lol
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I've got a few Lee Ritenour albums and there's a guy who goes by the name of Insaneintherain who does jazzy versions of video game music on YouTube that I listen to. That's about it.
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My love for Jazz started with Cowboy Bebop and I love it to this day.
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Although I barely listen to jazz (I have a couple of random CD, some Miles Davis and a Charlie Parker box set), I play a lot of jazz on the guitar. There's great fun in jamming through standards, either by yourself or with a couple of friends.
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I know it's considered a shade dated now, and I get that it could be dismissed as a little derivative, but I LOVE those mid-70's Jeff Beck albums, and I love the early Brand X records with Phil Collins.
Don't know the Jeff Beck albums. But OMFG Brand X is awesome! Phil Collins could show here what he was really capable of. Whenever I put this record on and say "this is Phil Collins playing the drums here", everyone goes all :omg:
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I know it's considered a shade dated now, and I get that it could be dismissed as a little derivative, but I LOVE those mid-70's Jeff Beck albums, and I love the early Brand X records with Phil Collins.
Don't know the Jeff Beck albums. But OMFG Brand X is awesome! Phil Collins could show here what he was really capable of. Whenever I put this record on and say "this is Phil Collins playing the drums here", everyone goes all :omg:
Yeah, when he was on his game, he was a force to be reckoned with. The best thing about Brand X is Phil knew how to play in that genre. He wasn't - or at least he didn't sound like - a rock drummer faking his way through.
If you do try out the Beck albums, I suggest you start with Blow By Blow. It's kind of a catch-22, in that it's his best of the period, but if you don't like that, you might not like the two that came after (Wired and There And Back).
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I'm not that into jazz anymore, sadly. I just can't listen to some stuff I used to like, especially fusion like Weather Report and Return to Forever, it's just like I got headache from listening to it :lol I guess I'm into more poppy stuff nowadays. But there is still some stuff I like, Coltrane's A Love Supreme is my favorite. I like Blue Train as well. Miles Davis' Sketches of Spain is, probably surprisingly, my favorite album of his. Please, recommend me something similar, if there's even stuff like it. In a Silent Way is also great but very moody so I can't listen to it whenever.
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I'm not that into jazz anymore, sadly. I just can't listen to some stuff I used to like, especially fusion like Weather Report and Return to Forever, it's just like I got headache from listening to it :lol I guess I'm into more poppy stuff nowadays. But there is still some stuff I like, Coltrane's A Love Supreme is my favorite. I like Blue Train as well. Miles Davis' Sketches of Spain is, probably surprisingly, my favorite album of his. Please, recommend me something similar, if there's even stuff like it. In a Silent Way is also great but very moody so I can't listen to it whenever.
Hmm... Maybe try:
Dave Brubeck (esp. Time Out)
Eberhard Weber - The Colours of Chloe
Bill Evans - Symbiosis
John Coltrane - Giant Steps
McCoy Tyner - Fly With the Wind
Snarky Puppy & Metropole Orkest - Sylva
Any of Duke Ellington's concert works (The Ellington Suites might be a good place to start?)
Cannonball Adderly
Art Blakely & The Jazz Messengers
Horace Silver
Sonny Rollins
Paradise Lunch (who did the wonderful soundtrack to the anime Baccano!)
Not jazz per-se, but I'd also check out some of the more Impressionist classical composers and Aaron Copland. On that note, old 1930s-1960s film scores, especially the lusher, jazzy orchestral ones. Morricone might have some gems too, and John Williams's score for Catch Me If You Can might also be a good fit for you.
Some of these might be up your alley, or they might totally miss the mark idk. Still worth checking out.
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Check out Bill Watrous's version of Tiger of San Pedro if you don't know it. That's another stellar jazz number.
And 'Some Skunk Funk' by The Becker Brothers.
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Serious reply, though - does Bela Fleck & The Flecktones count? I mean, they're considered jazz & bluegrass, among many other styles and genres.
I'd say them, and the occasional Dave Brubeck Quartet, but that's about it for me. Otherwise, I don't hear or listen to much jazz.
-Marc.
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I love jazz (and big band), though probably jazz fusion is more in my wheelhouse. I mean, A Kind of Blue and A Love Supreme are enjoyable, but those mid-to late '60s records are off the charts. I guess it's a different kind of enjoyment.
Not really to into the smooth or modern jazz thing though. Which is not to say I don't like anything more recent. But it has to appeal....
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Ironically, I credit the man in my avatar and my namesake, Neil Peart, for introducing me to the world of Jazz. I payed no attention to it at all. Then he fired up his Burning For Buddy project where he had a stellar list of drummers play tracks with Buddy Rich's band. I bought the first one simply as a Neil completest and was blown away by it.
I am very particular about what I listen to regarding Jazz. No lyrical, it has to be instrumental. I love the big band swing stuff that Buddy was doing back in the 50's, as well as some Gene Krupa stuff. Phil Collins big band album is quite good. I have some Dizzy, Thelonious, Brubeck stuff in my collection. I also really love Fusion. My go to there is Frank Gambale. His Coming To Your Senses record is just amazing. Probably a desert island disc for me. Also some Simon Phillips stuff as well.
This is one area where I feel I still need to explore much more and expand my collection. It can be overwhelming and time consuming, which is probably why I haven't really worked on it too much.
A bit surprised you didn't mention any Buddy Rich records. I really dig the ones before the '60s, but for me he didn't really start to peak until the mid'60s '70s and '80s. Pick up the Roar of '74. Tony Levin plays on that one.
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I will listen to some jazz fusion if that counts. 99% of stuff I listen to has to have great guitar.
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I will listen to some jazz fusion if that counts. 99% of stuff I listen to has to have great guitar.
Yeah, that counts! If you want jazz stuff with great guitar, I'd check out Joe Pass (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n61CVmRcGw), Django Reinhart (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpmOTGungnA) (probably one of the great guitarists of all time, who btw had only three freakin fingers on his left hand), Wes Montgomery (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqn3PF_DcSg), Charlie Christian (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce9Jtl9D6FQ), and the Ziganoff Jazzmer Band (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGakBHjywA4). The Jazzmer/Klezmer Jazz, Flamenco Jazz, and terribly named Gypsy Jazz subgenres in general also have some pretty great guitar parts usually.
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I listen to a lot of jazz, though there's periods where I don't. At the same time, I hear jazz in a lot of other music I listen to, prog, metal, rock, funk, etc... I used to listen to fusion more, especially in my late teens, but not as much lately, though I'm mostly referring to the late 60s/1970s jazz-rock fusion stuff. I've heard just about everything jazz-fusion from that period, though I occasionally find a new gem, that I only dip into it if I'm really in the mood. I've always enjoyed 50s and 60s jazz since discovering jazz-rock, and appreciate it more and more each year. My first love with jazz was the Charlie Brown Christmas soundtrack back when I was in middle school, though nothing else for a while. When I was 17 I got into jazz-rock and eventually I would explore post-bop or other "traditional" styles of jazz, as well as other fusion types. My tastes have gravitated towards more world-fusion as of late, lots of great stuff out there, Pat Metheny Group's "Still Life (Talking)" album and Garaj Mahal's "Blueberry Cave" album are good examples. Non-Western music, to me, mixed with jazz is refreshing when you've heard all the other forms of jazz so much, either old or new. I also take pleasure in the different sounds, timbres, landscapes created by non-Western instruments, whether mixed with guitar/keys/bass/etc... or not. While I don't like "smooth" jazz of the 1970s, 80s, and 90s, I do find a tune or two I enjoy that I find to be a guilty pleasure, however, I think most of it is cheesy, sappy, an lacks creativity. I'm a sucker for slap bass so I do find gems in the wasteland of smooth jazz. I can get down with 'harder' jazz-funk that the untrained ear might classify as 'smooth jazz' on surface level. Stanley Clarke's "I Want To Play For You" is a good example.
Serious reply, though - does Bela Fleck & The Flecktones count? I mean, they're considered jazz & bluegrass, among many other styles and genres.
Definitely counts. They are a great band, some of their albums are more jazz-fusion, some more bluegrassy/world-fusion, some are a nice balance of both. Victor Wooten is one of the best jazz-fusion bassists and his solo albums might appeal to you if you haven't checked them out.
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Talking about Jazz in a prog forum, I guess I could mention CANTERBURY scene music. I am getting into some of that stuff, like National Health, Soft Machine, Egg. Those 70s bands always had a huge Jazz influence in their music. Soft Machine even advanced to being a Jazz-band.
By the way, I don't mean to be "that guy", but could anyone who is able to change the title of the thread please? The "hear" is killing me :rollin
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Yes, please. That's been bothering me so much every time I see it.
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Talking about Jazz in a prog forum, I guess I could mention CANTERBURY scene music. I am getting into some of that stuff, like National Health, Soft Machine, Egg. Those 70s bands always had a huge Jazz influence in their music. Soft Machine even advanced to being a Jazz-band.
By the way, I don't mean to be "that guy", but could anyone who is able to change the title of the thread please? The "hear" is killing me :rollin
Never really got into that scene. I'd rather OD on all of that great jazz fusion that was going on then. Not saying that stuff is bad or I don't like it. I was never actively seeking it out like I did the Miles, Coltrane, Mahavishnu, Zappa or Return To Forever etc....
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Talking about Jazz in a prog forum, I guess I could mention CANTERBURY scene music. I am getting into some of that stuff, like National Health, Soft Machine, Egg. Those 70s bands always had a huge Jazz influence in their music. Soft Machine even advanced to being a Jazz-band.
If we're talking Canterbury, can some of The Tangent count as "jazz"? They definitely have a lot of jazz/Canterbury influence in their music, and often go into lengthy jazz-inspired instrumental sections. If so, then I've listened to a ton of jazz via The Tangent! :rollin
By the way, I don't mean to be "that guy", but could anyone who is able to change the title of the thread please? The "hear" is killing me :rollin
I mean, I tried to point it out with my first post in this thread :lol
-Marc.
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I love me some jazz and I definitely want to delve deeper into it eventually - Bohren & der Club of Gore, Snarky Puppy, and BADBADNOTGOOD are my jam :metal
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Talking about Jazz in a prog forum, I guess I could mention CANTERBURY scene music. I am getting into some of that stuff, like National Health, Soft Machine, Egg. Those 70s bands always had a huge Jazz influence in their music. Soft Machine even advanced to being a Jazz-band.
If we're talking Canterbury, can some of The Tangent count as "jazz"? They definitely have a lot of jazz/Canterbury influence in their music, and often go into lengthy jazz-inspired instrumental sections. If so, then I've listened to a ton of jazz via The Tangent! :rollin
-Marc.
Elements of jazz....sure.