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Title: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: Nekov on May 29, 2018, 12:58:05 PM
So, apparently Damon Lindelof will be doing a Watchmen TV series. He posted a loooooong letter on Instagram detailing why he's working on it where he basically says that they'll be working on new characters and a new story in the same world that Watchmen happened but that it's neither a prequel nor a sequel. More can be read in the link below.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/damon-lindelof-posts-open-watchmen-letter-instagram-1114216 (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/damon-lindelof-posts-open-watchmen-letter-instagram-1114216)

I've never read the comics so I'm not going to say I'm a fan. I did like the movie and the world it depicted and I think Lindelof is a freaking genius so this project really interests me.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: Phoenix87x on May 29, 2018, 03:23:25 PM
Damon Lindelof is a hack, but I love watchmen, so If he brings something cool to the table, then I am down.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on October 20, 2019, 12:22:59 PM
Cannot wait for this. I've been following this since it was announced in Summer 2017 after The Leftovers ended. For anyone who hasn't seen The Leftovers, you must check it out. That's why I have confidence Watchmen will be incredible.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 20, 2019, 12:54:52 PM
Cannot wait for this. I've been following this since it was announced in Summer 2017 after The Leftovers ended. For anyone who hasn't seen The Leftovers, you must check it out. That's why I have confidence Watchmen will be incredible.

Leftovers was incredible. First season was Ďgoodí. S2 and S3 were some of the best writing and acting Iíve seen.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: faizoff on October 20, 2019, 10:27:10 PM
Holy shit what a start to the series. The cinematography and score of that episode was just breathtaking. Loved all the nods and references to the source material/movie? I can't decide if I want to wait each week or just binge it all at the end.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: Progmetty on October 20, 2019, 11:38:47 PM
Great series opener, very balanced in tone between Lindelofian and Watchmen. Gonna keep watching.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on October 21, 2019, 05:55:34 AM
What do yíall think of that shot of the tv showing Dr. Manhattan obliterate a castle... one that looks similar to the one ďAdrian VeidtĒ lives in? Is his castle even on Earth?

I really think this show is going to throw its viewers for a loop, nothing new for Lindelof. One thing Iím unsure about is Lindelof himself never confirmed Ironsí character to be Ozymandias, as far as I know. Itís been ďconfirmedĒ on the web but Iím really curious to know what the hell is going on with Manhattan/Veidt.

And damn, what an ending. Was not expecting that to happen so quickly.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 21, 2019, 06:50:58 AM
Will I be able to watch/follow this without being familiar with the source material?
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: faizoff on October 21, 2019, 08:10:39 AM
I think it might be a little difficult to understand what's going on for someone who hasn't read the book or watched the movie at least. This show is supposed to take place in the Watchmen universe post comic book events. While the story itself in the show may be self-sufficient, there are loads of references to the source material. I think you might still enjoy it on the episodes own merit but probably will have a ton of questions.

Me personally I thought the score and cinematography of the episode was absolutely breathtaking, the story was very interesting, there are obvious political overtones which goes without saying since the book is quite political in nature.

I'm quite excited to see where it goes and myself will avoid reading too much into the theories as I would like to watch them unfold.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 21, 2019, 08:28:18 AM
Wow, I really enjoyed that!  Can't wait to see where they take this!
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: Progmetty on October 21, 2019, 11:47:38 AM
Will I be able to watch/follow this without being familiar with the source material?

Just watch the 2009 movie, it's pretty good and also faithful to the graphic novel, aside from one detail that I can leave here. Ozymandias ends the threat of the nuclear war between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R by making the world unite against a common threat, albeit that threat being fake. In the movie that threat is Dr. Manhattan and in the novel it's an alien invasion.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: Progmetty on October 21, 2019, 11:48:13 AM
Edit: My first double post ever!  :eek
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: bosk1 on October 21, 2019, 11:58:11 AM
Will I be able to watch/follow this without being familiar with the source material?

Just watch the 2009 movie, it's pretty good and also faithful to the graphic novel, aside from one detail that I can leave here. Ozymandias ends the threat of the nuclear war between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R by making the world unite against a common threat, albeit that threat being fake. In the movie that threat is Dr. Manhattan and in the novel it's an alien invasion.

To me, that worked pretty well in the film.  I never read the novel, but from reviews that I read after the film came out, I seem to recall that people seemed to feel that that was the main flaw with the novel's storyline that didn't work so well there.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: Progmetty on October 21, 2019, 12:08:22 PM
I prefer the movie version as well. They're definitely going with the novel as cannon though, what with the squid rain and all.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: ProfessorPeart on October 21, 2019, 06:44:28 PM
I know the movie is very divisive, but I have maintained for years that it is hands down my favorite comic book/graphic novel/hero movie. It is so different than all the rest.

Of course, if you are going to watch it you need to make sure you catch the Director's Cut, or go all out for the Ultimate Cut.

Just watched the first episode and I absolutely caught a bunch of easter eggs that point back to the source material. I'm definitely in on this.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: faizoff on October 21, 2019, 07:09:23 PM
The movie is amazing and the Director's cut is the best version. I haven't read the book and intend to so soon. I did read about the changes and from what I gather, the book ending wouldn't have worked in the movie without it making look corny. Either way I'm a huge of the movie and this show is an amazing continuation of that world.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: ProfessorPeart on October 21, 2019, 07:15:47 PM
Yeah, I have the book. Just haven't gotten around to reading it. I bought this big Ultimate Edition box of the movie on blu-ray and the box contained a hardcover copy of the complete graphic novel.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: faizoff on October 21, 2019, 07:41:41 PM
I just bought that version off ebay last night  ;D because I only had the single disc version. Can't wait to finally dig in the book.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: hefdaddy42 on October 22, 2019, 07:59:22 AM
The book is fantastic, and the film is mostly good.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on October 23, 2019, 06:52:37 AM
The book is fantastic, and the film is mostly good.

And the show will probably be better than both ;) (but Iím a big Lindelof fan)
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: faizoff on November 03, 2019, 10:20:06 PM
The show with 3 episodes in is killing it so far, each episode is as amazing as the previous one. I honestly did not think it would be this great. It's unraveling like an onion and the week to week wait is torture.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on November 04, 2019, 04:42:10 AM
Itís amazing watching this unfold. Having no clue what will happen. Wonderful.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 04, 2019, 06:45:42 AM
Iíve been waiting to watch the movie first. Need to get that done. Good thing is Iíll have a few episodes in the bank to be able to binge.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: faizoff on November 04, 2019, 07:00:34 AM
I watched the movie again last week after so many years and it really holds up, it's as fantastic as I remember it. I am now reading the graphic novel and it fills in some details.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 14, 2019, 08:03:54 PM
Iíve been waiting to watch the movie first. Need to get that done. Good thing is Iíll have a few episodes in the bank to be able to binge.

I just caught up on the season and you definitely need to watch the movie first. I wasn't sure if it was necessary but after 4 episodes, it absolutely is. This is turning out better than I could have imagined.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 14, 2019, 08:26:09 PM
Iíve been waiting to watch the movie first. Need to get that done. Good thing is Iíll have a few episodes in the bank to be able to binge.

I just caught up on the season and you definitely need to watch the movie first. I wasn't sure if it was necessary but after 4 episodes, it absolutely is. This is turning out better than I could have imagined.

So much to watch these days  :lol  I still plan to watch the movie then the series but the amount of shows that have come back here lately and that are hitting soon is really starting to pile up.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: FlyingBIZKIT on November 18, 2019, 05:12:13 AM
Last nightís episode was amazing.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: faizoff on November 18, 2019, 08:09:03 AM
You could literally say that about any episode so far, all 5 of them have been so good. We are now past the halfway mark and have 4 left. Each character in this show is so well done. Every single one of them intrigues me.

There are a ton of easter eggs all over each episode too so the rewatch value is extremely high. I'm avoiding reading up on any theories as some of them have been right on the money. I'd rather be surprised while watching the show.

Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: Adami on November 18, 2019, 08:15:50 AM
Still need to see episode 5, but all four before that were amazing.

That said, Lindeloff still has me nervous. As we know from Lost, the dude is amazing at build up and and making things very exciting. But what has he not proven to be good at? Pay off.

So far, as good as Watchmen is, it's all build up (as I guess it would be anyway) so I'm just nervous if there's any good pay off, which Lindeloff isn't very good at.

Guess we'll see!
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: faizoff on November 18, 2019, 08:25:57 AM
I know Lost was Lindelof's cross to bear but I think he learnt a lot from it and crafted The Leftovers just right. It had an excellent payoff with a great buildup and my guess is that he will do the same with Watchmen. I think it will end in a typical Lindelof way, some answered mysteries, some unanswered and then a few ambiguous threads left open.

I haven't heard or read anything official about a season 2 yet so they may have made this season to be self contained for the most part.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: Adami on November 18, 2019, 08:27:06 AM
I know Lost was Lindelof's cross to bear but I think he learnt a lot from it and crafted The Leftovers just right. It had an excellent payoff with a great buildup and my guess is that he will do the same with Watchmen. I think it will end in a typical Lindelof way, some answered mysteries, some unanswered and then a few ambiguous threads left open.

I haven't heard or read anything official about a season 2 yet so they may have made this season to be self contained for the most part.

Ah, I have not seen Leftovers. But outside of Lost, I have not been impressed by the stuff I did see.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: faizoff on November 18, 2019, 08:47:43 AM
I think his movies are hit and miss for sure, and if I'm not mistaken his involvement in almost all of those movie projects came in much later as a 'fixer' of the script. I know in World war Z and Prometheus that was the case.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: Progmetty on November 18, 2019, 07:03:48 PM
I wish I could come here and talk about every episode after it airs but I'm rarely on a computer and I hate typing on my phone.
Anyway, the show has been amazing, I've seen every episode 3 or 4 times in the week leading up to the next one, it's very intriguing and the world invites immersion like no other.
I've also re-read the novel over the last 2 weeks, I had to go back to it last night cause I remember a billboard that said "Nostalgia by Veidt" but I couldn't find it so I did some research and it turns out that Nostalgia was a fragrance, not pills, so it's unrelated to the subject from yesterday.
After Lost, I hated Lindeloff with a passion, it was easily the single most piece of entertainment I ever regretted watching and I was not willing to give the guy a second chance until someone really sold it to me so I gave it a shot and was completely blown away. I did some research and it turns out Lindeloff has been begging ABC to end Lost by season 4 and they kept pushing back. Keeping in mind it was still the age where seasons had 20+ fuckin episodes, there was no way he could have paid off the layers upon layers of intrigue that kept building up. The Leftovers is everything Lost could have been and better, it simply redeemed Lindeloff for me and I was on board for whatever he had to offer. I was never into Watchmen, I read the novel and watched the movie for the first time when the show was announced last year.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: Adami on November 19, 2019, 07:06:04 AM
So I've been listening to people talk about the movie and their issues with it, and it got me thinking.

I really loved the movie, but then noticed so few others did. Seems they didn't for a wide variety of reasons, but one of them, at least, I am able to fully understand and can now appreciate as a legit detractor.

I have no issues with them changing the ending from a giant squid monster to Dr. Manhattan. I think it kept the same point and made it just more personable. So I was totally cool with it.

However, the main criticism I found that I now agree with is how they portrayed any hero other than Dr. Manhattan as an actual super human. One main point of Watchmen (and the show is doing this quite well) is that Dr. Manhattan is the one true super-man, everyone else is a human with various sets of skills. So seeing Ozymandias be stronger than a human, or seeing Night Owl and Silk Spectre fight like super humans kind of missed the point. I think if they were portrayed as more human, and less with extra abilities, it would have been damn near perfect.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: Progmetty on November 23, 2019, 02:58:18 PM
Took me a while to get to 2nd watch of Little Fear of Lightening. I don't know how I missed "squid pro quo" the first time :lol, that's gold Jerry, gold.
Also finally got around to viewing this week's Peteypedia. So up to this point the weekly release of these documents delivered a lot of information that helps with the world building and the events between 1985 and 2019, so the casual viewer won't be too fucked if they didn't read it.
But this time I kinda think one of these files is essential knowledge to understanding what's gonna happen to Angela after she swallowed these pills, it's flyer for Nostalgia, the pills, from when it first came out in 2007, the pills have been banned in 2010.
Here's the flyer (https://www.hbo.com/content/dam/hbodata/series/watchmen/peteypedia/05/nostalgia-ad.jpg), pretty interesting. I think we're in for a trippy episode this Sunday.
Link to Peteypedia (https://www.hbo.com/peteypedia) in case anyone wants to dive in the other documents.
PREDICTION I'm gonna bet that at some point in the episode, as Angela roams her grandpa's memories, she will see him put white paint around his eyes and put on Hooded Justice outfit, a scene reminiscing of how she puts on her Sister Night outfit. Finally putting to rest the question why all the original Minutemen assumed Hooded Justice was a white guy, especially Hollis Mason's memoir "Under The Hood" where Hollis claims HJ was a big strong German guy.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: ProfessorPeart on November 26, 2019, 09:07:09 PM
Just got caught up on the last 2 episodes. Man, this is just so staggeringly good. I did like how Ep 5 shed light on the original ending as I didn't actually know it. Now that I do, I do prefer the movie ending.

I really wasn't sure how this would be, but this show is amazing. Hope they stick the landing.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: faizoff on December 01, 2019, 10:17:34 PM
What the fuck! Episode 7 and just two more and yet more surprises. This show is so fucking bananas.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: Adami on December 02, 2019, 06:04:04 PM
Iím not sure how I felt about this twist. How the show/season ends will be the determining factor.


Edit: I feel like this was the first time in the show that it got weird and twisty for the sake of it, and not because the story called for it.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: faizoff on December 02, 2019, 07:47:07 PM
Edit: I feel like this was the first time in the show that it got weird and twisty for the sake of it, and not because the story called for it.

I saw on reddit a few people had put some of the clues together from previous episodes and correctly predicted the twist prior to the episode airing. We shall see how it plays out the next two episodes.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: Adami on December 02, 2019, 07:55:25 PM
Maybe. Doesnít matter.


Read an interview with Damon that said it was essentially reverse engineered. They wanted X and constructed a way to make X happen. Maybe thatís why it rubs me the wrong way. X was inserted in by desire, not cause the story was naturally going there.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: faizoff on December 02, 2019, 08:20:43 PM
Hmm well I'll wait and see how much of a factor it is, I didn't have an issue with it hopefully it pays off.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: faizoff on December 09, 2019, 05:33:59 AM
So amazing as usual episode again last night,  so much revealed and loved the non-linear story.

Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2019, 06:38:11 PM
Very well executed, and I really liked most of it.

However, I am just still not on board with Dr. Manhattan's role thus far. It feels extremely forced and only there to have him in the show.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: faizoff on December 09, 2019, 07:35:51 PM
Not getting that vibe at all. I'm loving Doc's role and how it's been adapted for the series. I loved the editing of that previous episode. So well done.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: Adami on December 09, 2019, 07:36:46 PM
Not getting that vibe at all. I'm loving Doc's role and how it's been adapted for the series. I loved the editing of that previous episode. So well done.

Thatís cool. I feel like Iím not just in the minority, but maybe the only person who feels that way hah. Luckily itís not enough to make me dislike it.

Just to clarify, I think the execution is fantastic. It's like Damon said "So....I want Dr. Manhattan in this show...in Tulsa....in 2019.....and he has to be in love with a main character even though that is COMPLETELY not in character for him.....make it work writers!" and they did the best possible job with that.

I think the actor is doing a good job, though I think Billy Crudup is the definitive Dr. Manhattan, and I think the writing is really good. It's just that.....his character shouldn't be doing that stuff. This is the dude that couldn't love Laurie despite his desire to, and said that there is no difference between a living or dead person. He isn't falling in love with anyone. I'm sorry. And they used the time paradox very well, and made it just convoluted and well executed enough to make us not question it, but it doesn't explain any of it. He still shouldn't be in love with her. His other stuff is good. The stuff with Adrian was fantastic and his stuff on Europa was great. Like I said, it's just not in his character to be in the position he is. That's my issue. I can't let go of that, no matter how well they execute the bad idea.   
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: faizoff on December 15, 2019, 10:36:56 PM
LOVED the finale. That last scene ended exactly how I thought it would lol. So much to unpack. Sad it's all over and really won't mind if they don't do a second season. If they do it will have to be even more well thought out than this season. Maybe someone else can tackle it, but I'm very satisfied with the finale.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: hefdaddy42 on December 16, 2019, 07:44:01 AM
That finale was pretty fantastic.

Adrian Veidt.  Saves the world.

AGAIN.  lol
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: axeman90210 on December 16, 2019, 07:46:31 AM
I was skeptical when it was announced that the series would be a continuation of the Watchmen universe rather than an adaptation, but Lindelof and co delivered the goods all season :tup
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: Adami on December 16, 2019, 06:38:52 PM
Very good last episode.


Still don't like the Dr. Manhattan story line, but the rest of it was fantastic, and they did the best they could with Manhattan.


I, personally, hope there's either no second season, or if there is, that it's an anthology thing, with no strong connection to what happened here other than mentioning it.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: faizoff on December 16, 2019, 06:49:01 PM
I too would like a second season to be anthology based, this season was a great one season arc.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: ProfessorPeart on December 17, 2019, 07:47:17 PM
Just finished it. Absolutely loved it. I had no problem with the Manhattan stuff and thought they connected it all very well. I couldn't be happier with how it all played out. Fantastic show.

I saw something somewhere where Lindelof wasn't sure there would be any more. Well, now I see he is already second guessing that.

In this article he still wonders if it should continue and mentions it could be a while until you see more. I would think along the lines of Westworld, which returns when it feels like it.

https://www.cbr.com/damon-lindelof-return-watchmen-season-2/
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 17, 2020, 08:21:30 PM
"HBO won't pursue second season of 'Watchmen' after creator bows out"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2020/01/16/watchmen-second-hbo-season-wont-happen-after-creator-bails/4491269002/
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: ProfessorPeart on January 17, 2020, 10:05:50 PM
"HBO won't pursue second season of 'Watchmen' after creator bows out"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2020/01/16/watchmen-second-hbo-season-wont-happen-after-creator-bails/4491269002/

General sentiment out there seems to be, 'it's okay, I'm not mad'.

I'm right there. It was such a fantastic season of TV and the ending was satisfying. Closure, yet still open-ended if they ever want to revisit. Kudos to HBO for realizing that it's better to walk away rather than replace Damon.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: MirrorMask on January 18, 2020, 08:13:44 AM
I vaguely remember the movie. I mean, I watched it, overall I liked it, but I can't honestly say I could write you down the plot and being more specific than "There are the Watchers which are superheroes but kinda destitute and there's that cool dude with a mask and Dr. Manhattan which is blue and the bad guy was one of them".

Do you think a rewatch of this movie is advised to prepare better for the series, or I could just go for it ignoring the movie?
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: ProfessorPeart on January 18, 2020, 08:21:42 AM
I vaguely remember the movie. I mean, I watched it, overall I liked it, but I can't honestly say I could write you down the plot and being more specific than "There are the Watchers which are superheroes but kinda destitute and there's that cool dude with a mask and Dr. Manhattan which is blue and the bad guy was one of them".

Do you think a rewatch of this movie is advised to prepare better for the series, or I could just go for it ignoring the movie?

You could go in blind, but I would suggest watching the movie first as it would definitely help. Except for the ending, the movie was close to the comics. The show does make reference to the comic ending rather than the movie. Otherwise, I would say that knowing the movie and it's characters only made the show even more enjoyable.
Title: Re: Watchmen - HBO
Post by: MirrorMask on January 18, 2020, 12:00:22 PM
Ok then, thanks!  :tup