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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: goo-goo on May 29, 2018, 10:43:48 AM
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From James' FB
Hey Everyone,
Well, getting excited as we (DT) go into the studio just less than 2 weeks to create our next disc.
In the meantime check out this podcast I did with Tee Todd, the host of Centerstage.
https://www.centerstageshow.com/
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From James' FB
Hey Everyone,
Well, getting excited as we (DT) go into the studio just less than 2 weeks to create our next disc.
In the meantime check out this podcast I did with Tee Todd, the host of Centerstage.
https://www.centerstageshow.com/
Let the DTF spy games begin!!
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Awesome! :metal
Hopefully they keep us updated this time around. With TA they were keeping things under wraps, which I get, this time it would be great to get some clips of the band in studio.
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I agree. I think it'd be great to keep the fans engaged throughout the process.
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> goes into studio halfway through June
> James can't make ProgPower because he'll be in studio
that's like 2.5 months in the studio wtf come on James :lol
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I agree. I think it'd be great to keep the fans engaged throughout the process.
Yeah, like I said, with TA I kinda get it. But this time around documenting this stuff and engaging the base would really be beneficial. New label for this record too, right? You'd think they'd be thinking the same thing.
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I agree. I think it'd be great to keep the fans engaged throughout the process.
Yeah, like I said, with TA I kinda get it. But this time around documenting this stuff and engaging the base would really be beneficial. New label for this record too, right? You'd think they'd be thinking the same thing.
Completely agree with you. There's no need to post long, super detailed updates, just small clips and snippets here and there to keep the fans excited for the new material. And, I could be wrong on this, but I think IO is better at promoting this kind of stuff as opposed to RR, so it looks like a good start to me.
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yeah get back to those 6doit small movies kinda thing. Have the music be as different and kickass as that album was. I'd be all for this :-)
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I agree. I think it'd be great to keep the fans engaged throughout the process.
Yeah, like I said, with TA I kinda get it. But this time around documenting this stuff and engaging the base would really be beneficial. New label for this record too, right? You'd think they'd be thinking the same thing.
Completely agree with you. There's no need to post long, super detailed updates, just small clips and snippets here and there to keep the fans excited for the new material. And, I could be wrong on this, but I think IO is better at promoting this kind of stuff as opposed to RR, so it looks like a good start to me.
I don't know if IO is better at it, but DT is pretty much the "big" band on their label, where as they weren't with RR. So hopefully that means IO gives them some real attention and starts the promotion during the writing and recording of the record.
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Heh, for the first time ever (I've been a fan since SFAM) I don't really care. Sure, I'm gonna pick up the new album when it comes out, but I don't have any expectations or whatever. TA made me completely lose interest, and I haven't really been listening that much to the other MM-era ones either.
But come on DT, surprise me. I would be thrilled. :coolio
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Oh yeah! Album cycle number 14, let's do this baby! :metal
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Heh, for the first time since 6DOIT (the first album I waited for, I discovered them after SFAM was released), I don't really care. Sure, I'm gonna pick up the new album when it comes out, but I don't have any expectations or whatever. TA made me completely lose interest, and I haven't really been listening that much to the other MM-era ones either.
But come on DT, surprise me. I would be thrilled. :coolio
Same here. But I think there will be no surprise.
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Saw James’ post earlier today and was very excited. I can’t wait to see what direction they go with this album. Although I do really like TA for what it is, I’m hoping for a very different direction with this album. Regardless, I can’t wait!
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I am not a social media guy, but isn't this a bit of a weak way to say announce this? No announcement from the band, management, their label? Just a 2 sentence comment on the singer's fb page?
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Not really. I mean, I'm not sure "we just want to pre-announce that, in two weeks, we will be in the studio" needs any fanfare.
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Maybe. I don't do twitterfacegram, so I don't know how these announcements should work. I just feel that a band having a set date they are going to hit the studio to record a new album warrants a tiny bit more fanfare. But going back to MP's time in the band I found it a bit strange most of the news and announcements started out on Mike's personal web page.
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Prior to Train of Thought, I'm not sure they ever actually did announce that they were in the studio. And even after that, I don't recall anything "formal" for a lot of the albums. I mean, we found out at some point that they were in the studio, or after the fact, found out that they had been. But I don't really recall anything formal. And I don't think most bands do that either.
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I thought in 2018 when a member of a band has the sniffles it gets posted to social media, then Blabbermouth runs an article on it, then the other band members have to put out a press release saying said band member just has a cold, he is not being kicked out.
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I thought in 2018 when a member of a band has the sniffles it gets posted to social media, then Blabbermouth runs an article on it, then the other band members have to put out a press release saying said band member just has a cold, he is not being kicked out.
But MP's not in Dream Theater anymore.
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Hopefully we can get a Making of DVD now that DT is with Inside Out. I/O likes those special edition releases.
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Hopefully we can get a Making of DVD now that DT is with Inside Out. I/O likes those special edition releases.
I’m with you on this one. I’d really like to see that.
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I have been looking for this every time I check the forums. :metal
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I would love to see a "making of a song" video, i.e. from composition to recording to mixing.
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I would love to see a "making of a song" video, i.e. from composition to recording to mixing.
I feel like it would be a video with almost no dialogue. JR plays a riff, JP nods, learns it and expands and they just keep doing this for a few hours. Eventually JM walks in and JR hands him sheet music to learn. MM is no where to be seen.
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Not really. I mean, I'm not sure "we just want to pre-announce that, in two weeks, we will be in the studio" needs any fanfare.
Maybe you lesser fans don't care. But me? I want to know where they are and what they're doing at all times. And because of that unjust "restraining" order that I bet the lawyers did and the band didn't even know about, I have to rely on social media.
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Not really. I mean, I'm not sure "we just want to pre-announce that, in two weeks, we will be in the studio" needs any fanfare.
Maybe you less fans don't care. But me? I want to know where they are and what they're doing at all times. And because of that unjust "restraining" order that I bet the lawyers did and the band didn't even know about, I have to rely on social media.
:rollin
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Oh for the days when the first time you knew a band had entered the studio to record a new album was when you saw said album in a record store...
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Heh, for the first time since 6DOIT (the first album I waited for, I discovered them after SFAM was released), I don't really care. Sure, I'm gonna pick up the new album when it comes out, but I don't have any expectations or whatever. TA made me completely lose interest, and I haven't really been listening that much to the other MM-era ones either.
But come on DT, surprise me. I would be thrilled. :coolio
Same here. But I think there will be no surprise.
All of this.
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I would love to see a "making of a song" video, i.e. from composition to recording to mixing.
Yup, me too. Metallica pretty much has done this for their last two records. Really interesting to watch.
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I am not a social media guy, but isn't this a bit of a weak way to say announce this? No announcement from the band, management, their label? Just a 2 sentence comment on the singer's fb page?
Maybe. I don't do twitterfacegram, so I don't know how these announcements should work. I just feel that a band having a set date they are going to hit the studio to record a new album warrants a tiny bit more fanfare. But going back to MP's time in the band I found it a bit strange most of the news and announcements started out on Mike's personal web page.
Speaking only for myself, in slightly over 35 years of being a consumer of popular/rock music, I cannot remember any band/artist other than DT ever "formally" announcing that he/she/it was going into the studio (and I'm reasonably active on Facebook and have a Twitter account that I rarely check, much less use). That said, it makes perfect sense to me that "we're going into the studio on such and such day" announcements show up on the individual band members' social media (if anywhere). Of course, I view the "we're going into the studio" stuff more or less the same as I view the draft in a sports league. Just let me know whom my team picked and whether he's any good and when the season starts. Likewise, just let me know when the album is available.
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I am not a social media guy, but isn't this a bit of a weak way to say announce this? No announcement from the band, management, their label? Just a 2 sentence comment on the singer's fb page?
Maybe. I don't do twitterfacegram, so I don't know how these announcements should work. I just feel that a band having a set date they are going to hit the studio to record a new album warrants a tiny bit more fanfare. But going back to MP's time in the band I found it a bit strange most of the news and announcements started out on Mike's personal web page.
Speaking only for myself, in slightly over 35 years of being a consumer of popular/rock music, I cannot remember any band/artist other than DT ever "formally" announcing that he/she/it was going into the studio (and I'm reasonably active on Facebook and have a Twitter account that I rarely check, much less use). That said, it makes perfect sense to me that "we're going into the studio on such and such day" announcements show up on the individual band members' social media (if anywhere). Of course, I view the "we're going into the studio" stuff more or less the same as I view the draft in a sports league. Just let me know whom my team picked and whether he's any good and when the season starts. Likewise, just let me know when the album is available.
That's really interesting, because I see it happen all the time! It's not just prog and metal groups either, I've seen a few pop stars and alternative rock bands indicate that they're writing or recording a new album or EP on social media (usually Insta, Twitter, or SnapChat--facebook and YouTube I've seen are mostly for more "formal" announcements). Maybe it's just the bands we listen to lol
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JLB: Hey, we're going into the studio to make a new album
DTFer 1: Ugh why did they even announce this?
DTFer 2: Ugh why didn't they announce this on their band page?
And I bet you, if DT were totally silent between now and album release, DTFer 1 would be the first to whinge about them not interacting with the fans enough.
Honestly... :facepalm: You can't win with some people.
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They're in the studio? Wow!! Really?? I never would've guessed after 2 years since the last release. That's unbelievable!! I coulda had a V8. :lolpalm:
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Oh dear DT gods please hear my two prayers :
-I wish we hear the bass in the mix
-I wish we hear the drums in the mix, including cymbals, and with a real drum sound like in "into the great divide" from mangini
Gloria gloria
:D
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Oh dear DT gods please hear my two prayers :
-I wish we hear the bass in the mix
-I wish we hear the drums in the mix, including cymbals, and with a real drum sound like in "into the great divide" from mangini
Gloria gloria
:D
Hah, yeah agreed. Speaking of which - has there been any word as to who will be engineering the record? I assume Rich but here's hoping they switch it up...
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Heh, for the first time since 6DOIT (the first album I waited for, I discovered them after SFAM was released), I don't really care. Sure, I'm gonna pick up the new album when it comes out, but I don't have any expectations or whatever. TA made me completely lose interest, and I haven't really been listening that much to the other MM-era ones either.
But come on DT, surprise me. I would be thrilled. :coolio
Same here. But I think there will be no surprise.
I'm afraid after being a fan since 1989 and dozens of live concerts in different countries too, I still have HOPES but little expectations sadly of a return to form after their last 2 efforts. So sadly I'm with you two guys and it hurts to have to say that as DT were my number one musical love for over 25 years and that's a hell of a long time!!
Come on guys, prove us oldie but sceptical fans wrong and bring out another classic DT album (oh and please make sure Jordan's damn piano is smashed into smithereens before you go into the studio too as we heard enough of that on the last one to last another 10 DT albums!!)
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Come on guys, prove us oldie but sceptical fans wrong and bring out another classic DT album
I think ADTOE fits that criteria very well. DT12 might too, it's really good and sounds more like "classic DT" than anything from TOT to Black Clouds.
Oh dear DT gods please hear my two prayers :
-I wish we hear the bass in the mix
-I wish we hear the drums in the mix, including cymbals, and with a real drum sound like in "into the great divide" from mangini
Gloria gloria
:D
Hah, yeah agreed. Speaking of which - has there been any word as to who will be engineering the record? I assume Rich but here's hoping they switch it up...
I'd say it's Chycki, because he's worked on every DT release since LALP untill now (including the still unreleased Budokan show from last year), but you never know. As for me, I'd like to see them work with someone else this time. Would love to have Kevin Shirley back, not as a producer, but as an engineer and mixer, his DT mixes were very good.
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Come on guys, prove us oldie but sceptical fans wrong and bring out another classic DT album
I think ADTOE fits that criteria very well. DT12 might too, it's really good and sounds more like "classic DT" than anything from TOT to Black Clouds.
Oh dear DT gods please hear my two prayers :
-I wish we hear the bass in the mix
-I wish we hear the drums in the mix, including cymbals, and with a real drum sound like in "into the great divide" from mangini
Gloria gloria
:D
Hah, yeah agreed. Speaking of which - has there been any word as to who will be engineering the record? I assume Rich but here's hoping they switch it up...
I'd say it's Chycki, because he's worked on every DT release since LALP untill now (including the still unreleased Budokan show from last year), but you never know. As for me, I'd like to see them work with someone else this time. Would love to have Kevin Shirley back, not as a producer, but as an engineer and mixer, his DT mixes were very good.
I would aim for Nolly Getgood, but he's working on the new Haken's stuff. Maybe Jens Bogren?? :metal :metal :metal
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Come on guys, prove us oldie but sceptical fans wrong and bring out another classic DT album
I think ADTOE fits that criteria very well. DT12 might too, it's really good and sounds more like "classic DT" than anything from TOT to Black Clouds.
Oh dear DT gods please hear my two prayers :
-I wish we hear the bass in the mix
-I wish we hear the drums in the mix, including cymbals, and with a real drum sound like in "into the great divide" from mangini
Gloria gloria
:D
Hah, yeah agreed. Speaking of which - has there been any word as to who will be engineering the record? I assume Rich but here's hoping they switch it up...
I'd say it's Chycki, because he's worked on every DT release since LALP untill now (including the still unreleased Budokan show from last year), but you never know. As for me, I'd like to see them work with someone else this time. Would love to have Kevin Shirley back, not as a producer, but as an engineer and mixer, his DT mixes were very good.
I would aim for Nolly Getgood, but he's working on the new Haken's stuff. Maybe Jens Bogren?? :metal :metal :metal
Both are very good options :metal And, btw, Nolly is only working on drum tones with Haken, not the whole recording or mixing.
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Oh dear DT gods please hear my two prayers :
-I wish we hear the bass in the mix
-I wish we hear the drums in the mix, including cymbals, and with a real drum sound like in "into the great divide" from mangini
Gloria gloria
:D
Those two, especially the latter one, are my only concerns. I'm pretty sure I will like what the guys will compose, but it has to sound good.
We had this discussion 39482 times already, but I really don't think Rich Chicky has anything to do with the bad drums sound. He was involved with Into The Great Divide too.
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Both are very good options :metal And, btw, Nolly is only working on drum tones with Haken, not the whole recording or mixing.
Gheez, what a missed opportunity. Nolly's one of the best out there and you only tap him for drum sounds?
Anyway, the more I listen to his work with DT, the more I realize I'm just not a big Chycki fan. I get that JP is the producer, so the buck stops with him, but still there's a balance there. Rich is the engineer tracking and mixing and needs to stick to his guns if he doesn't think the producer is making good choices from a sonic perspective.
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Do we have any indication on the release date? How long does it take DT from going into the studio to release? Or has that been vastly differing in the past so we can't estimate a time frame?
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Do we have any indication on the release date? How long does it take DT from going into the studio to release? Or has that been vastly differing in the past so we can't estimate a time frame?
I think originally they were saying an early 2019 release for the next record. Not sure if the label change has moved that up or not.
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Do we have any indication on the release date? How long does it take DT from going into the studio to release? Or has that been vastly differing in the past so we can't estimate a time frame?
I'd say sometime in 2019 for sure. It's a bit hard to tell, because it looks like DT has been slowly shifting from a 2-year release schedule to a 3-year one. But depending on how fast the writing and pre-production process goes (which could vary from 3 weeks like ToT to almost three years like tA), the actual production and post-production will probably a couple of months. At the earliest, I'd say maybe February or March of next year? Nothing confirmed yet tho.
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Both James and JP have confirmed it'll be released in early 2019. JP actually said (don't remember if it was to Bosk or on an interview) that the label wanted it released earlier, but they decided january or february 2019 was better.
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It might be that, just like in 2016, we get a release date combo of DT and Avantasia :metal
I'm all for whatever updates they'll throw our way, they can also be vague - I don't really expect them to do mini videos or stuff like that, but just the occasional teasing message should be fun. "Guitars almost done".... "Today Jordan is really wild on the piano"... "James is here for the vocals".... stuff like that.
Anyway, let the long gestation until January begin!!!
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The first order of business is what the coffee budget will be. I seem to remember they consumed a lot of coffee in the studio.
Hoping the cd will be heavy.
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I'm all for whatever updates they'll throw our way, they can also be vague - I don't really expect them to do mini videos or stuff like that, but just the occasional teasing message should be fun. "Guitars almost done".... "Today Jordan is really wild on the piano"... "James is here for the vocals".... stuff like that.
Exactly.
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The first order of business is what the coffee budget will be. I seem to remember they consumed a lot of coffee in the studio.
Hoping the cd will be heavy.
Wasn't their Starbucks tab something like 30-40k for one of the Roadrunner albums? Black Clouds I think? Unbelievable!
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The first order of business is what the coffee budget will be. I seem to remember they consumed a lot of coffee in the studio.
Hoping the cd will be heavy.
Wasn't their Starbucks tab something like 30-40k for one of the Roadrunner albums? Black Clouds I think? Unbelievable!
I think it was around 20k for the Systematic Chaos recording sessions :D
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While the guys have earned the right to do whatever the heck they want to do at this stage of their careers, I would love to see them hire an outside producer. It would obviously need to be the right guy, because we all know the damage a bad producer can do, but I think that a good producer can do wonders. My main inspiration for this is Amorphis, who brought on Jens Bogren a couple of years back and since then have ascended to god status with Under the Red Cloud and Queen of Time. His influence has been transformative, and I would love to see Dream Theater benefit from something like that.
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While the guys have earned the right to do whatever the heck they want to do at this stage of their careers, I would love to see them hire an outside producer. It would obviously need to be the right guy, because we all know the damage a bad producer can do, but I think that a good producer can do wonders. My main inspiration for this is Amorphis, who brought on Jens Bogren a couple of years back and since then have ascended to god status with Under the Red Cloud and Queen of Time. His influence has been transformative, and I would love to see Dream Theater benefit from something like that.
Completely agree with you. There's nothing wrong with hiring a good producer who will only help improve the band's sound/vision for an specific record.
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There's nothing wrong with it at all - but I hope they don't. :) I think their last 3 albums are among their best, so I think JP's doing a fantastic job.
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There's nothing wrong with it at all - but I hope they don't. :) I think their last 3 albums are among their best, so I think JP's doing a fantastic job.
I do like JP's approach to producing the music and like the post-MP albums a lot, however, the sonic side (the recording/mix/master) of the albums has been very questionable. ADTOE had a very thin guitar sound and while it's (imo) Mangini's best drum sound, it was also very thin (Andy Wallace did the mix). The return of the bass was great! In DT 12, the snare drum sound is horrible in my opinion, and the guitars basically take the whole sound spectrum of the album. It is also very compressed and hot (loud). The Astonishing was a bit better overall, but the drum sound is still bad. The live sound of the snare drum on the The Astonishing concerts was great. So a lot of these sonic decisions are on JP's lap and a 2nd set of ears would definitely help the final product.
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I wouldn't mind the drums being a little more noticeable in the mix. For the most part however, I don't pay attention to that sort of thing, and I suppose I should consider myself lucky in that regard because there's less aggravation on my end, I guess. I wouldn't mind (or probably care) if they had a second set of ears with the overall sound and mix, or maybe they should let MM have a little more input into how his drums sound. I just don't really want a full on "producer" who is going to be suggesting changes to the music itself.
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I've always wanted more guest appearances but I'm not going to hold my breath. I really like the additions they brought to Falling Into Infinity for example and guest appearances on songs are usually nice. Would be cool for a single or something at least.
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I don't want guest appearances either. Unless it's Geddy Lee... That would work for me. :)
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I've always wanted more guest appearances but I'm not going to hold my breath. I really like the additions they brought to Falling Into Infinity for example and guest appearances on songs are usually nice. Would be cool for a single or something at least.
Oh god no. Wasn't there just one guest appearance on FII? And it was awful. (minority opinion here, I know...). Guest appearances can enhance a song, but I don't know if I want it from DT.
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Meanwhile, still no decision on releasing last year's Budokan concert. :corn
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I've always wanted more guest appearances but I'm not going to hold my breath. I really like the additions they brought to Falling Into Infinity for example and guest appearances on songs are usually nice. Would be cool for a single or something at least.
Oh god no. Wasn't there just one guest appearance on FII? And it was awful. (minority opinion here, I know...). Guest appearances can enhance a song, but I don't know if I want it from DT.
*shuffles back to a lonely corner grumbling about DT fans* :biggrin:
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Don't forget Theresa on SFAM. That was a very cool guest appearance.
You don't need a prog dude as the guest star. Bring in someone totally different to add a new dimension to a song.
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All i want really is more Mangini contribution. Its about time he gets it.
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Don't forget Theresa on SFAM. That was a very cool guest appearance.
You don't need a prog dude as the guest star. Bring in someone totally different to add a new dimension to a song.
Agreed, TSCO wouldn't be the same without her or the choir. An occasional guest probably wouldn't hurt.
As far as adding an outside producer goes, I completely agree re: sound quality. ADTOE and TA aren't necessarily bad but they're not ideal and the drum sounds on the last 2 albums have been disappointing. I really hope JP lets there be an organic-sounding mix this time around without all the over-the-top compression and electronic-sounding drums. This band deserves a better sound than that!
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Don't forget Theresa on SFAM. That was a very cool guest appearance.
You don't need a prog dude as the guest star. Bring in someone totally different to add a new dimension to a song.
Agreed, TSCO wouldn't be the same without her or the choir. An occasional guest probably wouldn't hurt.
As far as adding an outside producer goes, I completely agree re: sound quality. ADTOE and TA aren't necessarily bad but they're not ideal and the drum sounds on the last 2 albums have been disappointing. I really hope JP lets there be an organic-sounding mix this time around without all the over-the-top compression and electronic-sounding drums. This band deserves a better sound than that!
You know it makes me wonder why JP didn't have Guest singers along with JLB for The Astonishing. Releasing it titled exactly like the tour "Dream Theater presents..." Or "John Petrucci presents The Astonishing performed by Dream Theater". It would've likely went better with the fans in it not necessarily being A DT album, but it is still Dream Theater.
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Don't forget Theresa on SFAM. That was a very cool guest appearance.
You don't need a prog dude as the guest star. Bring in someone totally different to add a new dimension to a song.
Agreed, TSCO wouldn't be the same without her or the choir. An occasional guest probably wouldn't hurt.
As far as adding an outside producer goes, I completely agree re: sound quality. ADTOE and TA aren't necessarily bad but they're not ideal and the drum sounds on the last 2 albums have been disappointing. I really hope JP lets there be an organic-sounding mix this time around without all the over-the-top compression and electronic-sounding drums. This band deserves a better sound than that!
You know it makes me wonder why JP didn't have Guest singers along with JLB for The Astonishing. Releasing it titled exactly like the tour "Dream Theater presents..." Or "John Petrucci presents The Astonishing performed by Dream Theater". It would've likely went better with the fans in it not necessarily being A DT album, but it is still Dream Theater.
Honestly, I would have felt a lot better about it if they did it that way.
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Guest singers would have been absolutely perfect for Astonishing. Get Anneke in there, Devin Townsend as Lord Nafaryus... :lol
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No no no no no no no no. :P
The Astonishing is perhaps my favorite vocal performance ever and it wouldn't be nearly as good as it is with either of those two. Both great singers, but no thanks. If I wanted something like that, I bet I could find it on an Ayreon disc or two...
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Taking Lethean's side here. First off, who cares what it's called if the music is good. If it wasn't considered a "DT album" that would just mean we haven't had a proper DT album since 2013. And I am glad they chose to utilize James to the fullest and not turn it in to a multi-vocalist album.
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No no no no no no no no. :P
The Astonishing is perhaps my favorite vocal performance ever and it wouldn't be nearly as good as it is with either of those two. Both great singers, but no thanks. If I wanted something like that, I bet I could find it on an Ayreon disc or two...
Yes yes yes yes yes yes. Yes. Yes again. Yes some more. :2metal: :lol
James did absolutely kill it live, though. Man was he good. Honestly didn't think he'd be able to do Faythe's stuff live but he did! My muuuusic plaaayeeeeer...
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There's nothing wrong with it at all - but I hope they don't. :) I think their last 3 albums are among their best, so I think JP's doing a fantastic job.
I agree! JP has been doing a great job. Maybe a co-production between JP and an outside guy is the best compromise. :)
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And I am glad they chose to utilize James to the fullest and not turn it in to a multi-vocalist album.
Amen, brother!
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I love JLB's performance on tA (seriously one of the best vocal performances on any album period), but I definitely wouldn't mind seeing it presented like a musical with different people singing the different roles too ngl. Not replacing his performance, but as a separate thing.
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If they wanted to do some type of one off, then fine.
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Taking Lethean's side here. First off, who cares what it's called if the music is good. If it wasn't considered a "DT album" that would just mean we haven't had a proper DT album since 2013. And I am glad they chose to utilize James to the fullest and not turn it in to a multi-vocalist album.
Couldn't agree more. :metal
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The promotion for DT12 was perfect IMO. How we got semi-weekly behind the scenes videos leading up to the announcement that started vague and slowly became more revealing with little bits of music dropped in here and there.
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Don't forget Theresa on SFAM. That was a very cool guest appearance.
You don't need a prog dude as the guest star. Bring in someone totally different to add a new dimension to a song.
I always fast forward through that part of Through Her Eyes. Don't mind it so much on the other song.
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Taking Lethean's side here. First off, who cares what it's called if the music is good.
Well, I didn't think (most of) the music was good :-\ This was just my personal opinion and in the end it doesn't matter much. Astonishing was just really hard to swallow. Others loved it which is great. If everybody hated it then it would have been a waste so even though opinions appear to be relatively evenly divided, I'm sincerely happy people like it. Selfishly, I would have loved for it to be called a little side project rather than this sort of weird album that in my opinion doesn't fit in with the rest of their catalog. I also don't think DT should bow to the whim of one random dude or even dozens, hundreds, or thousands so as long as the next album kicks ass, I'm fine.
If it wasn't considered a "DT album" that would just mean we haven't had a proper DT album since 2013.
What's wrong with a 5 year break?
Too soon?
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Selfishly, I would have loved for it to be called a little side project rather than this sort of weird album that in my opinion doesn't fit in with the rest of their catalog.
Fair enough, but by "little side project" do you mean no tour? Just an album release? Because it would either have to be an album with no tour, which probably wouldn't have been financially feasible, of what we ended up with, which would have meant no "actual" DT activity for several years.
And it is never too soon for comments like that.
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No no no no no no no no. :P
The Astonishing is perhaps my favorite vocal performance ever and it wouldn't be nearly as good as it is with either of those two. Both great singers, but no thanks. If I wanted something like that, I bet I could find it on an Ayreon disc or two...
But they went through the effort to make a rock opera, right? Two acts with an intermission. Overtures for each act. Many different characters with names and back stories and specific lyrics (dialog). I really think they should have had different vocalists do the different parts, at the very least on the album itself, if it's too expensive to do it live every day then no big deal, then if they were going to film it have the individual characters for that show.
Why run the marathon and then bug-out near the end by *not* having different players voice each character?
Take a look at these multi-vocalist versions of:
Our New World: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUh2DPe8CaM
A New Beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtpJfCKPlZs
Imagine how awesome The Astonishing would sound if they went with different vocalists. These covers are amazing.
And let's not forget, but they did do a *real* version of Our New World with Lzzy Hale: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_m-NngPzJA which was probably a test to see how it would be received to see if they'd take it any further.
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No no no no no no no no. :P
The Astonishing is perhaps my favorite vocal performance ever and it wouldn't be nearly as good as it is with either of those two. Both great singers, but no thanks. If I wanted something like that, I bet I could find it on an Ayreon disc or two...
But they went through the effort to make a rock opera, right? Two acts with an intermission. Overtures for each act. Many different characters with names and back stories and specific lyrics (dialog). I really think they should have had different vocalists do the different parts, at the very least on the album itself, if it's too expensive to do it live every day then no big deal, then if they were going to film it have the individual characters for that show.
Why run the marathon and then bug-out near the end by *not* having different players voice each character?
Take a look at these multi-vocalist versions of:
Our New World: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUh2DPe8CaM
A New Beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtpJfCKPlZs
Imagine how awesome The Astonishing would sound if they went with different vocalists. These covers are amazing.
And let's not forget, but they did do a *real* version of Our New World with Lzzy Hale: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_m-NngPzJA which was probably a test to see how it would be received to see if they'd take it any further.
Yes, Chego's videos are all kinds of awesome, but I'll take James singing Our New World any day of the week. The album proper should be James and James only. If they ever want to expand the production for a one off, or some sort of Vegas residency thing, then fine, have multiple vocalist. But this is a Dream Theater album.
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I'd prefer multiple vocalists, personally. I know DT fans tend to be purists, but this seems like a good chance to try very new things, but sadly they greatly limited where they were willing to go.
Maybe if it had been a John Petrucci and Jordan Ruddess presents...kind of thing, the purist fans wouldn't be so angry at multiple vocalists.
Also the idea that because Ayreon does multiple vocalists, therefore Dream Theater isn't allowed to is just odd. It's like saying Dream Theater shouldn't write riffs that sound a bit like Metallica or Rush because those bands do that already.
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I'd prefer multiple vocalists, personally. I know DT fans tend to be purists, but this seems like a good chance to try very new things, but sadly they greatly limited where they were willing to go.
Maybe if it had been a John Petrucci and Jordan Ruddess presents...kind of thing, the purist fans wouldn't be so angry at multiple vocalists.
Also the idea that because Ayreon does multiple vocalists, therefore Dream Theater isn't allowed to is just odd. It's like saying Dream Theater shouldn't write riffs that sound a bit like Metallica or Rush because those bands do that already.
Exactly! Ayreon better not make another album, 'cause Avantasia's already putting out a new one next year. :lol
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I'm not at all saying that Dream Theater isn't "allowed" to have multiple vocalists because Ayreon does. What I am saying is that the album - in my opinion of course - would not be as good as it is had they done so. I don't think that by not having multiple singers that they didn't go "all the way." They certainly did, and more singers aren't required to make the concept complete.
The Ayreon comment - had they used those particular vocalists, well, they'd still be "allowed" to do it, but it would certainly be reminiscent of Ayreon, especially with Anneke. I've seen her live, and I appreciate what she does, but James nailed that performance (studio and live), and it's better with him doing it. I've also seen Devin, and I like him a lot, but again - same thing. I'll take James as Lord Nafaryus any day.
If this makes me a Dream Theater purist, so be it. I think it just makes me a fan of what James LaBrie did on that album. In my opinion, he put everything into it and turned in the performance of a lifetime. It's my favorite vocal performance period, and I wouldn't trade a second of it to have anyone else on that album - not even other favorite singers of mine, certainly not Anneke using too much vibrato while singing A Life Left Behind.
If I ever for a second doubted the above feelings, any doubt was erased when they released that version with Lzzy Hale. Don't mind them doing it as it's not on the album, but I wasn't a fan of her voice on it at all.
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Hey, I agree. James did awesome. But if I had a choice between hearing James sing Faythe's parts and any female singer instead, I'm going with the female singer. And if the late Chris Lee was still around, I'd TOTALLY want him doing Nafaryus's parts, now that I think about it. :2metal: #rhapsody
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I will agree that I wouldn't want Anneke or Devin on the album, though I love them both.
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Hey, I agree. James did awesome. But if I had a choice between hearing James sing Faythe's parts and any female singer instead, I'm going with the female singer. And if the late Chris Lee was still around, I'd TOTALLY want him doing Nafaryus's parts, now that I think about it. :2metal: #rhapsody
Should they have brought in a female singer for Goodnight Kiss too?
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I dunno, I was 11 so I didn't know any good female singers at that age :neverusethis:
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I completely love TA the way it is, and it's James' vocal masterpiece indeed. However, it would've been really cool to have only one female singer doing all the female character parts, with James singing all the male character parts (which is most of the album, anyway). They could've chosen (pun intended) a very good female singer for the album and brought her with them on the tour, and it wouldn't have been like taking a whole cast or anything like that.
Back to the guest appearances thing on DT albums, I think it's a great idea if done right. The LITS thing with Dug Pinnick didn't work that well, but if we look at the others like Theresa Thomason on SFAM or Eugene Friesen playing cello on Vacant, they can help make the album better. Now, with DT14, I think they could add a couple extra elements like a female singer doing a duet with James on a song or bring in a couple instrumentalists that play different things and add new flavors to a song. Didn't the Dregs violinist play on TBOT? That's what I'm talking about.
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Theresa would've been perfect i think for Faythe.
But it was just a thought I had.
I fucking love the album immensely. Love James' vocals and his different styles for each character. Wish we got more Arabelle dialogue though, he used his nice warm somber style for her. And I find the buildup to "My Music Player" beautiful with JPs run. I dont have any problem with that lyric. I mean how else you gonna represent Faythes greatest gift of all.
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Theresa would've been perfect i think for Faythe.
But it was just a thought I had.
I fucking love the album immensely. Love James' vocals and his different styles for each character. Wish we got more Arabelle dialogue though, he used his nice warm somber style for her. And I find the buildup to "My Music Player" beautiful with JPs run. I dont have any problem with that lyric. I mean how else you gonna represent Faythes greatest gift of all.
I like the Arabelle voice too. :) And I agree with you about the music player. I thought it was kinda cheesy the first time I listened to it, and I get why people don't like it, but it does make sense.
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Also the idea that because Ayreon does multiple vocalists, therefore Dream Theater isn't allowed to is just odd.
Dream Theater is a band made up of 5 guys who have specific roles within the group, and have ever since their inception, allowing for the few changes made over the years. Ayreon is a musical project conceived and written by one individual, specifically designed to feature different musicians and vocalists.
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Also the idea that because Ayreon does multiple vocalists, therefore Dream Theater isn't allowed to is just odd.
Dream Theater is a band made up of 5 guys who have specific roles within the group, and have ever since their inception, allowing for the few changes made over the years. Ayreon is a musical project conceived and written by one individual, specifically designed to feature different musicians and vocalists.
Indeed. So?
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Maybe I missed a post, but I wasn't aware anyone was making the argument you were arguing against. So I found your post a bit of a non-sequitur. Otherwise I agree with your statement.
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Maybe I missed a post, but I wasn't aware anyone was making the argument you were arguing against. So I found your post a bit of a non-sequitur. Otherwise I agree with your statement.
It was in response to the idea that DT shouldn’t use multiple vocalists, and that if you want to hear an album with multiple vocalists, you should listen to Aryeon.
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Selfishly, I would have loved for it to be called a little side project rather than this sort of weird album that in my opinion doesn't fit in with the rest of their catalog.
Fair enough, but by "little side project" do you mean no tour? Just an album release? Because it would either have to be an album with no tour, which probably wouldn't have been financially feasible, of what we ended up with, which would have meant no "actual" DT activity for several years.
Well, I would have been ok with it being a "big side project" with a tour and all. I'm well aware that the DT name made it much more financially feasible to pull something like that off but in my own perfect world it could have had the DT name in some fashion but since I see it more as "DTish," either way I wouldn't be *happy* with the break from what I consider normal DT records but I would have been more ok with it.
I mean, it could have been done kind of like Metallica and Lou Reed's Lulu. Not technically a Metallica album but still sort of a Metallica album. Like that...except the Astonishing is better than Lulu. See, even I don't hate TA *that* much to say it is on par or worse than Lulu.
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Maybe I missed a post, but I wasn't aware anyone was making the argument you were arguing against. So I found your post a bit of a non-sequitur. Otherwise I agree with your statement.
It was in response to the idea that DT shouldn’t use multiple vocalists, and that if you want to hear an album with multiple vocalists, you should listen to Aryeon.
Well yeah, that is not a good argument. What one band does shouldn't dictate what another band does. Nor should it dictate what a listener chooses to listen to.
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I think it all comes down to personal taste. Those who like The Astonishing are perfectly happy with it the way it is, and those who don't wish it to be more detached from DT's name, and so being so different to the point that becomes a "JP and JR presents" kind of thing and less of a "DT album" thing.
And The Astonishing is more in line with DT's previous output than Lulu is with Metallica's output. Imagine if "An evening with JP and JR" would have had vocal lines for James to sing, now THAT would have truly been a WTF (albeit beautiful) DT album if, released as such. The Astonishing is still Dream Theater, it's not that if it wasn't for James singing you could never ever tell it's JP and JR who wrote it.
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I think it all comes down to personal taste. Those who like The Astonishing are perfectly happy with it the way it is, and those who don't wish it to be more detached from DT's name, and so being so different to the point that becomes a "JP and JR presents" kind of thing and less of a "DT album" thing.
And The Astonishing is more in line with DT's previous output than Lulu is with Metallica's output. Imagine if "An evening with JP and JR" would have had vocal lines for James to sing, now THAT would have truly been a WTF (albeit beautiful) DT album if, released as such. The Astonishing is still Dream Theater, it's not that if it wasn't for James singing you could never ever tell it's JP and JR who wrote it.
And MP would have completely lost it :lol
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Hey, maybe that could have been the solution to the 2010 split. "ok, tell you what Mike, you stay in the band, but you simply don't do anything because we're gonna do a guitar / piano album" ;D
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Guys, guys, guys... No need to debate this, clearly the band should have released two versions of TA. The first being the version we all know with James singing all the parts. The second being a version with vocalists for each character. It would make like almost 5 hours of DT music. Win win.
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Guys, guys, guys... No need to debate this, clearly the band should have released two versions of TA. The first being the version we all know with James singing all the parts. The second being a version with vocalists for each character. It would make like almost 5 hours of DT music. Win win.
Additional bonus disc on the super deluxe edition: a disc of covers of what was on Faythe's music player :biggrin:
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Guys, guys, guys... No need to debate this, clearly the band should have released two versions of TA. The first being the version we all know with James singing all the parts. The second being a version with vocalists for each character. It would make like almost 5 hours of DT music. Win win.
Additional bonus disc on the super deluxe edition: a disc of covers of what was on Faythe's music player :biggrin:
Sons of Sons of Sons of Sons of Apollo ?
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JM does a capella renditions of the NOMAC tracks.
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I like James doing all the vocal parts, and I feel like he knocked it out of the park. I think there are some practical difficulties that present themselves if DT would have used guests. If they used guests for only SOME of the characters, and had James play multiple ones, I think it would feel kind of strange. And if they used guest vocalists and didn't have them on the tour, then THAT would have felt strange. All in all, I really like the way they did it. James' performance was fantastic.
That said, if they had chosen to have different vocalists, I'm sure I would have enjoyed that too. It sounds really cool on, say, Avantasia's stuff. I'm sure DT would have made it sound amazing with multiple vocalists had they chosen to go that direction.
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Guys, guys, guys... No need to debate this, clearly the band should have released two versions of TA. The first being the version we all know with James singing all the parts. The second being a version with vocalists for each character. It would make like almost 5 hours of DT music. Win win.
Additional bonus disc on the super deluxe edition: a disc of covers of what was on Faythe's music player :biggrin:
Technically, It's Bugs'/Nefaryus' music player.
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I've always wanted more guest appearances but I'm not going to hold my breath. I really like the additions they brought to Falling Into Infinity for example and guest appearances on songs are usually nice. Would be cool for a single or something at least.
Oh god no. Wasn't there just one guest appearance on FII? And it was awful. (minority opinion here, I know...). Guest appearances can enhance a song, but I don't know if I want it from DT.
Yeah...I can't think of anything on FII other than the one guy who sang the "crown of thorns" line, and I agree with you that it was terrible. That doesn't mean that future guest appearances can't be good. However, I can't really think of many instance in which a band I liked had a "guest appearance" that I liked. Fates Warning having Kevin Moore play keys on a couple of pre-APSOG songs (e.g., "At Fates Hands"), and when JLB sang BG vox on "Life in Still Water" are notable exceptions (although I can't really hear JLB on LiSW). "The Spirit Carries On" worked well also, and I think maybe The Astonishing would have resonated more with me if there had been multiple vocalists.
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I don't understand why people think that FII guest spot is bad. I think it's pretty cool. Even if I didn't like it I think it would still be far from 'bad' or even 'awful' ...
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I don't understand why people think that FII guest spot is bad. I think it's pretty cool. Even if I didn't like it I think it would still be far from 'bad' or even 'awful' ...
Yeah, I'm with you. Apparently, Doug Pinnick's voice is polarizing. Why that is, I don't have any idea. :dunno:
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Guys, guys, guys... No need to debate this, clearly the band should have released two versions of TA. The first being the version we all know with James singing all the parts. The second being a version with vocalists for each character. It would make like almost 5 hours of DT music. Win win.
Additional bonus disc on the super deluxe edition: a disc of covers of what was on Faythe's music player :biggrin:
Technically, It's Bugs'/Nefaryus' music player.
Nefaryus Awesome Mix Volume 1
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I don't understand why people think that FII guest spot is bad. I think it's pretty cool. Even if I didn't like it I think it would still be far from 'bad' or even 'awful' ...
Yeah, I'm with you. Apparently, Doug Pinnick's voice is polarizing. Why that is, I don't have any idea. :dunno:
To Doug's credit, the song would have been equally bad without him.
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Some bands handle guests really well. Like Kamelot always seems to find a good younger female to feature on their albums and tour with them before moving onto someone else. While I would welcome it from DT, they've never really came off as a band that has interest in using guests. Maybe its better off they don't, also I have no issue with Pinnick in LitS, but I wasn't crazy about Hale in Our New World although I loved the idea/attempt at doing a TA song with a guest singer.
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After having heard him sing, the only guest vocalist I want on the new album is Jordan Rudess. Whenever there should be need for a backing vocal or an overlayed one, let's just have him for a little touch of variety, just like Portnoy was doing (but not as much, just a little addition for a single song as a novelty).
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After having heard him sing, the only guest vocalist I want on the new album is Jordan Rudess. Whenever there should be need for a backing vocal or an overlayed one, let's just have him for a little touch of variety, just like Portnoy was doing (but not as much, just a little addition for a single song as a novelty).
I haven't heard his voice singing, but I'm all for this if he can do it live as well. It would be cool to take away the piped in back up vocals and add a live voice.
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I don't understand why people think that FII guest spot is bad. I think it's pretty cool. Even if I didn't like it I think it would still be far from 'bad' or even 'awful' ...
I agree. Honestly I feel it adds to the song and fits the vibe well.
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It was just an odd decision for a DT song, to have someone adlb after each line. I mean, can you imagine?
Pull me under (Pull me under oohh yeah yeah)
I'm not afraid (I'm noooot afraid, oooh yeah)
All that I feel (ALL THAT I FEEyyeeeal)
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It was just an odd decision for a DT song, to have someone adlb after each line. I mean, can you imagine?
Pull me under (Pull me under oohh yeah yeah)
I'm not afraid (I'm noooot afraid, oooh yeah)
All that I feel (ALL THAT I FEEyyeeeal)
PMU is a totally different beast from LitS. In LitS, I think it suits the song quite well and adds a texture that makes the song more interesting (it is already a very good song). The only whim I have is on the last chorus when Doug's voice saturates. I can't believe they could not solve the problem on production.
B.Lee
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It was just an odd decision for a DT song, to have someone adlb after each line. I mean, can you imagine?
Pull me under (Pull me under oohh yeah yeah)
I'm not afraid (I'm noooot afraid, oooh yeah)
All that I feel (ALL THAT I FEEyyeeeal)
:rollin
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It was just an odd decision for a DT song, to have someone adlb after each line. I mean, can you imagine?
Pull me under (Pull me under oohh yeah yeah)
I'm not afraid (I'm noooot afraid, oooh yeah)
All that I feel (ALL THAT I FEEyyeeeal)
Have you heard the demo? It wasn't "adlib".
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JM does a capella renditions of the NOMAC tracks.
JP doing NOMAC tracks on guitar!!! :metal :metal :metal That's the kind of guitar effects I want to hear! Pink Floyd did more atmospheric sounds 50 years ago than DT does now. With today's technology, that could be mind blowing!
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Have you heard the demo? It wasn't "adlib".
I don't hear any 'yeah yeah yeahs' on the demo (I couldn't make it through the whole thing so I could be wrong though)
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JM does a capella renditions of the NOMAC tracks.
JP doing NOMAC tracks on guitar!!! :metal :metal :metal That's the kind of guitar effects I want to hear! Pink Floyd did more atmospheric sounds 50 years ago than DT does now. With today's technology, that could be mind blowing!
It's called the Misunderstood solo? :p
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JM does a capella renditions of the NOMAC tracks.
JP doing NOMAC tracks on guitar!!! :metal :metal :metal That's the kind of guitar effects I want to hear! Pink Floyd did more atmospheric sounds 50 years ago than DT does now. With today's technology, that could be mind blowing!
I honestly think that those sound effects were so authentic and atmospheric BECAUSE they didn't have today's technology. PF had to put in a lot of effort to create that stuff. Now you can press on a button and a sound effect comes out. And the temptation to do that is just too high (see The Shaman's Trance).
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I was right there with you up until you gave the example of The Shaman's Trance. I literally have no idea what you are referring to there.
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Sorry, I meant Bridges In The Sky. I mean the Shaman's voice in the beginning and the choir. Those effects are fine, but they could have been better in my opinion. Maybe I am wrong, but would it be so incredibly hard to find a Shaman (or someone who actually has such a voice) somewhere? Or ask a local choir to record half a minute of agnus dei? Sure, they wouldn't be sound "effects" anymore, but Pink Floyd couldn't push a key on a keyboard and the ringing of an alarm clock came out.
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I knew what song you meant, I just didn't know what you were referring to in the song. Yeah, I guess I get where you are coming from. For some reason, I was remembering that it was a recording of someone actually doing those chants in proper voice, and that Jordan had gotten it from a stock sound library. But I think I was actually misremembering, and that you are right. I seem to recall Jordan saying that he found the effects patch that does that, which is what he used. But in any case, whether that is correct or not, I get your point.
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Yeah, as I found out recently when I heard the exact same "Agnus Dei" choir (albeit pitched in a different key) at the beginning of The Flower Kings' track Sword of God (off The Rainmaker). In fact, the album begins with a throat singer that sounds a lot like DT's shaman.
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Yea, both of those sounds are (I believe) part of Omnisphere. I know I've come across them when I use it.
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Yea, both of those sounds are (I believe) part of Omnisphere. I know I've come across them when I use it.
Bingo!
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Maybe I am wrong, but would it be so incredibly hard to find a Shaman (or someone who actually has such a voice) somewhere?
whoooooooooooooooooa
Mike Portnoy?
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I put that on at a bar once with one of those internet jukeboxes. The bartender went over to the machine and unplugged it and screamed "Where are we? The fucking rainforest cafe?!"
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I put that on at a bar once with one of those internet jukeboxes. The bartender went over to the machine and unplugged it and screamed "Where are we? The fucking rainforest cafe?!"
I also had a bar tender unplug the internet jukebox on me for playing a DT song :rollin
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I put that on at a bar once with one of those internet jukeboxes. The bartender went over to the machine and unplugged it and screamed "Where are we? The fucking rainforest cafe?!"
I also had a bar tender unplug the internet jukebox on me for playing a DT song :rollin
I once put Metropolis and ACoS on at a pizza place where my son's baseball team was having a gathering. It was fun to see two or three faces light up when they recognized the song. I might have gone postal if someone had unplugged the jukebox.
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Maybe I am wrong, but would it be so incredibly hard to find a Shaman (or someone who actually has such a voice) somewhere?
Perhaps James Earl Jones?
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JP posted a video on his facebook of the scenery at the studio. Looks like they are mostly set up to start writing and demoing :metal :metal
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Maybe I am wrong, but would it be so incredibly hard to find a Shaman (or someone who actually has such a voice) somewhere?
Perhaps James Earl Jones?
It would be so prog of them to go find a true blue shaman and have him record vox :justjen
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JP posted a video on his facebook of the scenery at the studio. Looks like they are mostly set up to start writing and demoing :metal :metal
https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/videos/1974052929313376/
Also, check out Mangini's drums. Only one bass drum (probably with double pedal). Everything looks very nice.
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So last week, we were talking about little video bits, and BAM, here it is!
So while I think JP is a master of "corporate speak" and saying nothing, there is a certain genuineness about him, and he seems genuinely excited for this. That has me excited.
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So last week, we were talking about little video bits, and BAM, here it is!
So while I think JP is a master of "corporate speak" and saying nothing, there is a certain genuineness about him, and he seems genuinely excited for this. That has me excited.
Ditto.
It reminds me a little of Bear Tracks. Any idea where this is?
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Yes, it definitely looked like Bear Tracks. I meant to post that. Didn't Bear Tracks burn down? Perhaps it's been rebuilt. That driveway looked awful familiar.
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Yes, it definitely looked like Bear Tracks. I meant to post that. Didn't Bear Tracks burn down? Perhaps it's been rebuilt. That driveway looked awful familiar.
I think you're thinking of Le Studio. Bear Tracks closed about ten years ago, but as far as I can tell from Google Maps, the buildings are still there.
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YES!!! Loved this video, sign me in for more :metal
Some interesting things I can gather from it, so far:
- Looks like they're going for a different approach this time. Its's not write and record simultaneously in the studio, like DT12 was. It seems like they just rented a very cool space in the woods to write and demo everything BEFORE entering the studio. This way they can do pre production and get through all the arrangements without the pressure of "must record everything right now".
This probably has to do with them being with IO now and not having a budget as big as they had before to rent the whole studio just to write the album, or maybe not, but this kind of change seems good to me either way.
- Mangini's kit is a bit smaller than usual, as goo-goo pointed out, and some of the cymbals are in a different place/position. Considering this is just a small room for them to write everything, maybe he got a smaller setup so that it isn't overkill with the full blown kit OR maybe he's going to record the new album on a smaller kit, as he said he was considering it on an interview a while back.
- JP said they're going to live there for the next couple months, that means the writing will probably be finished (assuming he says a couple months because they actually rented it for a couple months and not because he's just saying a "couple" as in "as long as it takes" :lol) by mid August-ish.
As you can tell, I'm very excited about this :biggrin:
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Oh yes!!! I was waiting for this moment to come ;D I love when DTF community are excited, especially when it get's down to new DT album :) I hope that, it will be something big and something which will be better than DT12 and Astonishing ;) But lately, that album grow for me so, maybe it will click soon ;)
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That's Mangini's practice kit, right?
They'll be together for a couple of months. Have they written an album before with a similar time period?
It also seems that James would be in the studio during the whole process. No wonder he cancelled ProgPower.
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I do recall JP talking about a place converted to a studio in new york they were planning to rent for a couple of months. I do not know if this is it. It might be.
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Yes, it definitely looked like Bear Tracks. I meant to post that. Didn't Bear Tracks burn down? Perhaps it's been rebuilt. That driveway looked awful familiar.
I think you're thinking of Le Studio. Bear Tracks closed about ten years ago, but as far as I can tell from Google Maps, the buildings are still there.
Didn't burn. Was being sold as a residence. There were tons of pictures from a realty site available online.
I will echo everything that's been said. I'm psyched they are going this route. That's Mangini's practice kit, right?
They'll be together for a couple of months. Have they written an album before with a similar time period?
It also seems that James would be in the studio during the whole process. No wonder he cancelled ProgPower.
Yeah, even though he said it had nothing to do with DT, and I'm not necessarily calling him a liar, I think it was just a PR move and it really was about the recording/writing.
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JP got two baritone guitars there, this might end up in some very heavy riffage :metal
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Oops. Scratch that. If the writing would be a couple of months, that would be June to August. It would not hit the September Prog Power date. So maybe DT did not really force James to cancel, but the length of writing the album would not give him enough time to prepare with his solo band.
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Nice! That looks like a good recording environment. Definitely excited to hear what they come up with. :coolio
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I find it a little bit hard to believe that they won't be recording at the same time however it's exciting to see that they will probably demo some of the material/ideas brought in. Maybe this studio has another room where the drums will be fully mic'd ready to record. The rest of the instruments can be recorded in the control room or something. Anyways, it's always exciting to see DT in the studio.
-2 months to demo
-2-4 weeks to record
-2-4 weeks to mix/master
-2-3 months for record label promo/prepare release
-Possibly Nov or January release
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So last week, we were talking about little video bits, and BAM, here it is!
So while I think JP is a master of "corporate speak" and saying nothing, there is a certain genuineness about him, and he seems genuinely excited for this. That has me excited.
That is exactly what I thought, too. He seems so excited to start this new cycle that I can't help being very excited myself (not that I mind...)
I hope they will give us more video bits with everyboday actually IN the studio. :metal
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So last week, we were talking about little video bits, and BAM, here it is!
So while I think JP is a master of "corporate speak" and saying nothing, there is a certain genuineness about him, and he seems genuinely excited for this. That has me excited.
That is exactly what I thought, too. He seems so excited to start this new cycle that I can't help being very excited myself (not that I mind...)
I hope they will give us more video bits with everyboday actually IN the studio. :metal
Everybody in the studio. That sounds wonderful to my ears! And demos? Yeah, baby, bring 'em to me! Really excited as you can see. Can't wait to see and hear what the guys will do this time.
B.Lee
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Very hyped for this. The environment reminds me of how Genesis recorded The Lamb. Just get out of civilization, find a quiet space, and make some f**kin awesome music :metal
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I love that video. I wish I ever had the experience writing an album in such an environment.
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Great little video, and nice to see everyone will be together in the same room for the writing sessions.
I hope they do more of these vids. I’m interested in the process of writing/recording, as well as the end result.
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Saw it too. Nice that from the get go they try to keep fans aware and interested!
BTW, was there totally a notification alert when the video was being recorded? :lol these days, you can't even shoot a video for your fans without someone messaging you.
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Cool stuff, nice little video.
Definitely seems like a different approach this time, that room is certainly a rehearsal space not a recording studio. So if they plan on being there for a couple months just writing and demoing, they certainly are taking a different approach (I believe they have been writing in the studio for many cycles).
I love the idea of these guys basically living together in a rehearsal space for a couple months - hopefully that will give them time to work ideas out, demo, listen back, adjust as needed, etc... before entering the studio.
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You know who really loves this...Myung. Didn't he say he misses hanging out and just jamming/writing.
I'm excited just for that fact. They're all in the studio just writing and demoing. No worry of recording a final product.
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I love the idea of these guys basically living together in a rehearsal space for a couple months - hopefully that will give them time to work ideas out, demo, listen back, adjust as needed, etc... before entering the studio.
Indeed! Angra did the same thing for their latest album, and it is :metal
You know who really loves this...Myung. Didn't he say he misses hanging out and just jamming/writing.
Count Mangini in there too. He’s expressed multiple times the desire to collaborate more with the writing and he’s getting the chance this time, as with DT12, where some of the best parts are bass/drums sections.
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As much as I like The Astonishing, which was basically a 2-man writing job, I love seeing that this album will be all five guys in a room to write and record together.
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As much as I like The Astonishing, which was basically a 2-man writing job, I love seeing that this album will be all five guys in a room to write and record together.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
Also, it will be different (in a good way) for them to have demos on file and then enter the studio to record. Just go in and blast out the finished product.
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I could be wrong, but wasn't TOT the last time they demoed everything before going to record the album?
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I could be wrong, but wasn't TOT the last time they demoed everything before going to record the album?
I believe you're right.
Although you almost can't even call that demoing. They wrote the songs in a practice space, had some live run throughs and then recorded them. The "demos" released on Ytse Jam were just a live version of the songs with no vocals. I'm unclear if they did in fact write vocals melodies at the time and just never put them down or if they waited to write that portion until after the songs were written. I think it's the latter although James was in the practice space with them.
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I wonder what James will be doing there all the time... The JP, JR, JM and MM are jamming on their instruments, it's not like JLB will improvise some soaring vocal lines with random words :lol
I love that they're approaching their new album like this, but I just picture JLB standing there watching the guys and sometimes saying something like "hey Jordan can you play that one thing again, the thing before the other thing? That was pretty kewl"
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I wonder what James will be doing there all the time... The JP, JR, JM and MM are jamming on their instruments, it's not like JLB will improvise some soaring vocal lines with random words :lol
Well, maybe he should! or at the very least, get the "feel" of the song as they're coming to be!
I love that they're approaching their new album like this, but I just picture JLB standing there watching the guys and sometimes saying something like "hey Jordan can you play that one thing again, the thing before the other thing? That was pretty kewl"
...however, this is most likely how it's gonna go :lol
(But now, seriously: how much people in a band, including the singer, know about each other's instruments? I mean in terms of correctly describing chords, progressions, toms and cymbals, arpeggios and staccatos, stuff like that)
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I wonder what James will be doing there all the time... The JP, JR, JM and MM are jamming on their instruments, it's not like JLB will improvise some soaring vocal lines with random words :lol
Well, maybe he should! or at the very least, get the "feel" of the song as they're coming to be!
I love that they're approaching their new album like this, but I just picture JLB standing there watching the guys and sometimes saying something like "hey Jordan can you play that one thing again, the thing before the other thing? That was pretty kewl"
...however, this is most likely how it's gonna go :lol
(But now, seriously: how much people in a band, including the singer, know about each other's instruments? I mean in terms of correctly describing chords, progressions, toms and cymbals, arpeggios and staccatos, stuff like that)
I might be wrong, but I definitely think the vocal melodies can benefit from having the singer there during the writing process. I think that will (hopefully) allow James to have some more input into the melodies and the phrasing which will hopefully make the material a little easier live.
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I could be wrong, but wasn't TOT the last time they demoed everything before going to record the album?
I believe you're right.
Although you almost can't even call that demoing. They wrote the songs in a practice space, had some live run throughs and then recorded them. The "demos" released on Ytse Jam were just a live version of the songs with no vocals. I'm unclear if they did in fact write vocals melodies at the time and just never put them down or if they waited to write that portion until after the songs were written. I think it's the latter although James was in the practice space with them.
But remember that with TOT, they had an initial writing session (and they may have done SOME recording--I don't remember for sure), took a break (the Escape from the Studio Tour, with Queensryche and Fates Warning), and then went back into the studio to finish up.
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I might be wrong, but I definitely think the vocal melodies can benefit from having the singer there during the writing process. I think that will (hopefully) allow James to have some more input into the melodies and the phrasing which will hopefully make the material a little easier live.
I hate to sound like an ass, but no shit having the singer involved in the writing of the vocal melodies is a good idea.
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JP shared on social media that today is the first day of writing for DT14 :metal
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(But now, seriously: how much people in a band, including the singer, know about each other's instruments? I mean in terms of correctly describing chords, progressions, toms and cymbals, arpeggios and staccatos, stuff like that)
Well...in this band, I think everyone knows that they all know quite a bit about music theory, and I would be shocked if each of the four instrumentalists didn't know a great deal about each other's instruments. Chords, progressions and arpeggios are chords, progressions and arpeggios, whether they're played on a guitar, a keyboard, a harmonica, a bass flute or a tubax.
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I might be wrong, but I definitely think the vocal melodies can benefit from having the singer there during the writing process. I think that will (hopefully) allow James to have some more input into the melodies and the phrasing which will hopefully make the material a little easier live.
I hate to sound like an ass, but no shit having the singer involved in the writing of the vocal melodies is a good idea.
:lol Chill out man, gheez.
I only mention it because there have been many instances in DT's history where it seems like James was just handed parts and asked to sing them.
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I was agreeing with you 100%. I just thought what you said was so obvious how could anyone not recognize it. And yeah just hand in the singer vocal lines with the instruction "here, sing this" isn't always the best route. Heck they wrote I&W without a singer in place. "Well I hope whoever we hire can sing these ridiculous lines."
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I could be wrong, but wasn't TOT the last time they demoed everything before going to record the album?
I believe you're right.
Although you almost can't even call that demoing. They wrote the songs in a practice space, had some live run throughs and then recorded them. The "demos" released on Ytse Jam were just a live version of the songs with no vocals. I'm unclear if they did in fact write vocals melodies at the time and just never put them down or if they waited to write that portion until after the songs were written. I think it's the latter although James was in the practice space with them.
But remember that with TOT, they had an initial writing session (and they may have done SOME recording--I don't remember for sure), took a break (the Escape from the Studio Tour, with Queensryche and Fates Warning), and then went back into the studio to finish up.
So are you saying they wrote more once they left the practice space and entered the studio? Because my understanding was they wrote the album minus Vacant in the rehearsal space, did the live run through (that is available on Ytsejam) and at that point entered the studio, did the tour, and then came back to the studio.
So I thought the whole album minus Vacant was written and live demoed at the rehearsal space and then they entered the studio.
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JP shared on social media that today is the first day of writing for DT14 :metal
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Like this, but with more enthusiasm.
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I could be wrong, but wasn't TOT the last time they demoed everything before going to record the album?
I believe you're right.
Although you almost can't even call that demoing. They wrote the songs in a practice space, had some live run throughs and then recorded them. The "demos" released on Ytse Jam were just a live version of the songs with no vocals. I'm unclear if they did in fact write vocals melodies at the time and just never put them down or if they waited to write that portion until after the songs were written. I think it's the latter although James was in the practice space with them.
But remember that with TOT, they had an initial writing session (and they may have done SOME recording--I don't remember for sure), took a break (the Escape from the Studio Tour, with Queensryche and Fates Warning), and then went back into the studio to finish up.
So are you saying they wrote more once they left the practice space and entered the studio? Because my understanding was they wrote the album minus Vacant in the rehearsal space, did the live run through (that is available on Ytsejam) and at that point entered the studio, did the tour, and then came back to the studio.
So I thought the whole album minus Vacant was written and live demoed at the rehearsal space and then they entered the studio.
The whole album was written instrumentally in the rehearsal space, and recordings were made of all the songs. Then they went into the studio and recorded (I believe) the bulk of the music instrumentally. From there, they went on the Escape From the Studio Tour and wrote the lyrics (and I'm pretty sure the vocal melodies, since the vocal melodies were the responsibility of the one writing the lyrics). After the tour ended, they returned to the studio to finish up recording the instruments and all the vocals.
edit: And to be clear, I don't know where you got the idea that Vacant was written after the fact. That may have been the case with when WfS was written in relation to LtL, but not here. According to the liner notes for the ToT demos, Vacant was song #5, written before TDS and SoC.
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JP shared on social media that today is the first day of writing for DT14 :metal
The countdown has begun! Yeah, baby! :metal
B.Lee
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DT is writing the next album, so I quote: "Destiny has shown his face, and now the time has coooome!" :rollin
JP's video reminds me of the video they made during the SDOIT sessions especially when he said: "our home away from home" and "this is the room where all the magic takes place".
Jokes aside, I'm really excited that the fact they write the album ALL together is confirmed. Can't wait for DT14 to come out!
:metal :metal :metal
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Everything is already feeling more fresh - new label, switching the writing/recording process....I think they’re gonna give us something great this time!
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Everything is already feeling more fresh - new label, switching the writing/recording process....I think they’re gonna give us something great this time!
Well, it's been six years after all since they wrote a regular album. The freshness must be there!
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This has me excited!
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Everything is already feeling more fresh - new label, switching the writing/recording process....I think they’re gonna give us something great this time!
Well, I happen to think they ALWAYS give us something great. But I do understand what you mean.
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Everything is already feeling more fresh - new label, switching the writing/recording process....I think they’re gonna give us something great this time!
Well, I happen to think they ALWAYS give us something great.
Indeed :hefdaddy
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Everything is already feeling more fresh - new label, switching the writing/recording process....I think they’re gonna give us something great this time!
Well, I happen to think they ALWAYS give us something great. But I do understand what you mean.
Well as do I, I loved The Astonishing, and everything else
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I hope we see a photo 5 man together in the house.
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Something interesting I just noticed, there's no 8 string guitar on the video tour JP posted the other day. Since they're already writing the songs and EBMM hasn't made a prototype yet, I don't think JP will use an 8 string at all on this album, unless Jordan lets him borrow his...
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Something interesting I just noticed, there's no 8 string guitar on the video tour JP posted the other day. Since they're already writing the songs and EBMM hasn't made a prototype yet, I don't think JP will use an 8 string at all on this album, unless Jordan lets him borrow his...
Maybe they'll use the 8 string during the arrangement sessions, for now they are only writing the music.. I also noticed that MM's drum kit is lacking the double bass, and the kit is smaller. Maybe they just write the album and then work on the arrangement later on, with the extended drum set and maybe the 8 string guitar.. :metal
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Pretty pumped,I hope Petrucci keeps us updated throughout the process.
Looks like a nice place to make an album
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Random thought, but this will be the first "regular" DT album in five or six years. Don't get me wrong - The Astonishing is obviously a DT album and I really enjoyed it. But it was also an oddball, which is not a bad thing, but it might make this new record feel like more of an event.
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DTF Meetup!! :metal
:rollin Damn I was just gonna write that, but I guess I was ninja'd :D
We know where they are! Let's go there!!!!!!! :biggrin:
I'll be in NYC next week. I can rent a car and drive up. Next Friday?!
... untill one of them realizes you're stalking them and they release Beartrucci to go for you :lol
Or that it's two hours from NYC :lol
I'm pretty excited the guys secluded themselves in a pretty scenic area together to work on this. Something magical could be brewing in that barn.
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New album thread? Hell yeah I wanna be updated on this :metal
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Everything is already feeling more fresh - new label, switching the writing/recording process....I think they’re gonna give us something great this time!
Will they finally get a producer? ;D
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Everything is already feeling more fresh - new label, switching the writing/recording process....I think they’re gonna give us something great this time!
Will they finally get a producer? ;D
I’d be quite satisfied if they got someone to co-produce the album with JP. Best of both worlds.
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I’d be quite satisfied if they got someone to co-produce the album with JP. Best of both worlds.
While I don't expect this to happen - I think it would be a really positive thing for the band. JP should continue to produce, IMO, he does a good job of steering the ship it seems. Where they need another voice is in the sonics of the album. If they could bring in a producer to help steer the sound of the record and balance out the sound, that would be very beneficial.
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I’d be quite satisfied if they got someone to co-produce the album with JP. Best of both worlds.
While I don't expect this to happen - I think it would be a really positive thing for the band. JP should continue to produce, IMO, he does a good job of steering the ship it seems. Where they need another voice is in the sonics of the album. If they could bring in a producer to help steer the sound of the record and balance out the sound, that would be very beneficial.
Bingo.
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Just clarifying something in the discussion - I highly doubt they are actually recording at this place.
JP made it seem like this was where they were writing and demoing everything. I'm assuming they will then travel elsewhere to start actual album tracking. That space and the equipment they have there certainly isn't up to the professional level DT would need to record proper.
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JP made it seem like this was where they were writing and demoing everything. I'm assuming they will then travel elsewhere to start actual album tracking. That space and the equipment they have there certainly isn't up to the professional level DT would need to record proper.
Yeah....it definitely had a 'hang out' atmosphere going on. Looked to be a creative get away which is really cool.
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Jordan posted a photo today captioned: "Keyboard World for the Dream Theater writing sessions." We also see a glimpse of JMX off to the side.
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Jordan posted a photo today captioned: "Keyboard World for the Dream Theater writing sessions." We also see a glimpse of JMX off to the side.
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But what we don't see a glimpse of is an iPad. Did Derek get under his skin? Or maybe that is all Derek's equipment and Jordan is going to be his keyboard tech?
Sorry, I'm just really trying to guess some stuff off the wall stuff on the off chance the John throws a hissy fit and bans the entire world from ever listening to Dream Theater again but releases the album regardless just to spite all of us that can't listen to it.
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Jordan just posted this:
"And the riffs are flying"
Looks like Mike is not yet there?
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Jordan just posted this:
"And the riffs are flying"
Looks like Mike is not yet there?
In JR's instagram he posted a similar photo but with a clear view of the drum set, Mike included..
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On reflection, I don't think it's a very good idea to be guessing the band's location. I honestly don't even know if the guesses were correct, but if they are then I don't really want DTF to be the cause of a bunch of nerds turning up and disturbing the band from what is clearly deliberately quite a secluded writing space.
Not that I think any of our regulars would do so, but the forum is visible to anyone. :P
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In JR's instagram he posted a similar photo but with a clear view of the drum set, Mike included..
I should signup for Instagram. Hehehe. Thanks.
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On reflection, I don't think it's a very good idea to be guessing the band's location. I honestly don't even know if the guesses were correct, but if they are then I don't really want DTF to be the cause of a bunch of nerds turning up and disturbing the band from what is clearly deliberately quite a secluded writing space.
Not that I think any of our regulars would do so, but the forum is visible to anyone. :P
Now I understand why my post was "vaporized". Thank you Big Brother ;)
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On reflection, I don't think it's a very good idea to be guessing the band's location. I honestly don't even know if the guesses were correct, but if they are then I don't really want DTF to be the cause of a bunch of nerds turning up and disturbing the band from what is clearly deliberately quite a secluded writing space.
Not that I think any of our regulars would do so, but the forum is visible to anyone. :P
Agreed, this is an easily accessible and well known forum and this thought passed through my head as well.
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So how long until someone deciphers what is on JR's music stand? It's the DTF way...
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In JR's instagram he posted a similar photo but with a clear view of the drum set, Mike included..
I should signup for Instagram. Hehehe. Thanks.
Yeah, Jordan posted a much much better pic on intagram than he did on fb.
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Great to see the guys back in a room together jamming.
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Here's his Instagram page:
https://www.instagram.com/jcrudess/
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The only one we've not seen in the studio (correct me if i'm wrong) is James...
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The only one we've not seen in the studio (correct me if i'm wrong) is James...
"We actually have a singer in this band, one day he'll show up and sing in this microphone" Mike Portnoy - 2001 ;D
Just kidding.. :angel:
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On reflection, I don't think it's a very good idea to be guessing the band's location. I honestly don't even know if the guesses were correct, but if they are then I don't really want DTF to be the cause of a bunch of nerds turning up and disturbing the band from what is clearly deliberately quite a secluded writing space.
Not that I think any of our regulars would do so, but the forum is visible to anyone. :P
Thank you, Rich. Yes, this is the forum policy on this issue. Please do not post such clues, guys. Thanks.
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The only one we've not seen in the studio (correct me if i'm wrong) is James...
Maybe he’s busy preparing his band for NOT playing ProgPower :biggrin:
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The only one we've not seen in the studio (correct me if i'm wrong) is James...
Maybe he’s busy preparing his band for NOT playing ProgPower :biggrin:
:rollin
But seriously: have we all been assuming James would be there or his presence has been clearly and explicitly confirmed by the other band members?
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John said James would be standing about where the camera was in that Facebook video. Although it's probably going to be a little while till it's time for him to sing anything until they figure out the instrumental side of the tracks and lyrics.
Maybe he's outside playing basketball?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muBfZoIsQoA&feature=youtu.be&t=6m7s
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So how long until someone deciphers what is on JR's music stand? It's the DTF way...
Looks to me like he edited to blur the music.
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I don't think James is even there but I could be wrong.
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I don't think James is even there but I could be wrong.
He might not be right now, but he's certainly going to be there and be involved in the writing process - based on what the band has said.
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So how long until someone deciphers what is on JR's music stand? It's the DTF way...
Looks to me like he edited to blur the music.
Smart man haha he knows DTF well enough
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There was a pic a few years ago that gave away some lyrics. I can't remember what it was (Through the Looking Glass maybe?), but we took an image of the back of a piece of paper, flipped it horizontally and modified the brightness. The words were revealed.
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There was a pic a few years ago that gave away some lyrics. I can't remember what it was (Through the Looking Glass maybe?), but we took an image of the back of a piece of paper, flipped it horizontally and modified the brightness. The words were revealed.
It was The Enemy Inside
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So how long until someone deciphers what is on JR's music stand? It's the DTF way...
Maybe Jordan knows that and took a blurry picture on purpose! :omg:
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Guys, there isn't a blur on the picture. It's a transcription of a really fast section, where everything is a blur.
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Zoomed in and enhanced :)
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Didn’t know where to post this, but Marco Minnemann shared on Instagram that he just recorded a 22 min song for Jordan’s new solo album, and posted a pic of both on a studio. Is Jordan actually working on two albums at the same time?
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Didn’t know where to post this, but Marco Minnemann shared on Instagram that he just recorded a 22 min song for Jordan’s new solo album, and posted a pic of both on a studio. Is Jordan actually working on two albums at the same time?
Like that would be hard for him :hat
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Zoomed in and enhanced :)
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Apparently there are four lines in the sheet music instead of five..
DT14: Gregorian Chant music. Confirmed!!
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Didn’t know where to post this, but Marco Minnemann shared on Instagram that he just recorded a 22 min song for Jordan’s new solo album, and posted a pic of both on a studio. Is Jordan actually working on two albums at the same time?
I saw that too... How is that even possible??
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Rudess already recorded most of his solo album, apparently. I place my bet on Minnemann doing drums, Mohini Dey on bass, and Plini on guitars. And of course, JR also on guitars with his new 8-string monster. He shared some thoughts and pics of the process some months ago, so I think these sessions won't be overlapped.
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and Plini on guitars.
The Elder or the Younger?
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and Plini on guitars.
The Elder or the Younger?
Well played, sir.
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James posted on Instagram a couple pics from the studio, so he actually IS there, even though he's in none of them :P
https://www.instagram.com/p/BkDKfYjnGSO/?hl=en&taken-by=jameslabrie.dt
https://www.instagram.com/p/BkDLWH7nJCk/?hl=en&taken-by=jameslabrie.dt
Something interesting from the one with MM: his hi-hats are way on top of his kit now, I feel like this would be very difficult to play, but it's Mangini we're talking about, it's all easy to him anyway :lol
Didn’t know where to post this, but Marco Minnemann shared on Instagram that he just recorded a 22 min song for Jordan’s new solo album, and posted a pic of both on a studio. Is Jordan actually working on two albums at the same time?
Like that would be hard for him :hat
I was impressed because Marco posted a pic of him playing, with Jordan next to him, which, asumming it isn't an older pic, would mean JR went from one studio with DT to other for Marco's recording on the same day, and that's... astonishing.
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I believe the picture with JR and MM is an older pic from the NAMM earlier this year in Anaheim. MM, JR, Plini and Mohini were did a couple of shows in NAMM and I did see some pics in a studio around that time. I'm stoked for this one. I've been on a Plini fringe this past couple of months and saw him with Tesseract.
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Rudess already recorded most of his solo album, apparently. I place my bet on Minnemann doing drums, Mohini Dey on bass, and Plini on guitars. And of course, JR also on guitars with his new 8-string monster. He shared some thoughts and pics of the process some months ago, so I think these sessions won't be overlapped.
If Plini is on guitars, with Marco on drums, I'd honestly be more excited for this album than DT's next one at the moment!
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New photo from Jordan.
There's a horse, Progressive country album confirmed!
(https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/5659a3e0f6ad889e4f781303ce1dd33e/5BB92476/t51.2885-15/e35/34435053_2166577830228401_2399542432355057664_n.jpg)
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How has there only been one Photoshop/MS Paint of that picture Jordan posted with the sheet music in the background?!?!
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(https://scontent.fmnl4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/35298095_10155780868422989_328951330452275200_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_eui2=AeF17v8W9-zc4_J6cWshu8FBEpYRGfFEQ1Je8uY4KWFftyPTPyaxDRikT-kMW_MHmn--hzn1W549z_nM-Nen2yYyODG1qG1tlu7Yaarq_2IpRDWPdjhCiHk9I5w5oimNagE&oh=9d6bf28c68ee247a10f0df81c0691233&oe=5BB39006)
(https://i.imgur.com/4TooyYQ.jpg)
Yeah this is pretty stupid :lol
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Something interesting from the one with MM: his hi-hats are way on top of his kit now, I feel like this would be very difficult to play, but it's Mangini we're talking about, it's all easy to him anyway :lol
Wow, that's so weird, thanks for pointing it out! Why on earth would he do that? Maybe its easier to reach with both hands that way?
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there are hi-hats on the normal level. i guess it's just more logical for MM to have some up there when needed.
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Well Jordan has thrown us a bone.
"Here is my notation from the Dream Theater writing sessions. Good luck!! :)"
https://www.instagram.com/p/BkEND9QHrvR/?hl=en&taken-by=jcrudess
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Well Jordan has thrown us a bone.
"Here is my notation from the Dream Theater writing sessions. Good luck!! :)"
https://www.instagram.com/p/BkEND9QHrvR/?hl=en&taken-by=jcrudess
:lol
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Something interesting from the one with MM: his hi-hats are way on top of his kit now, I feel like this would be very difficult to play, but it's Mangini we're talking about, it's all easy to him anyway :lol
Wow, that's so weird, thanks for pointing it out! Why on earth would he do that? Maybe its easier to reach with both hands that way?
My guess is that he is already practicing for the recording and one of the consistent issues they have had in previous sessions is how the cymbals were bleeding into the toms and vice versa. I guess they arw putting some distance now to address the problem.
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Something interesting from the one with MM: his hi-hats are way on top of his kit now, I feel like this would be very difficult to play, but it's Mangini we're talking about, it's all easy to him anyway :lol
Wow, that's so weird, thanks for pointing it out! Why on earth would he do that? Maybe its easier to reach with both hands that way?
My guess is that he is already practicing for the recording and one of the consistent issues they have had in previous sessions is how the cymbals were bleeding into the toms and vice versa. I guess they arw putting some distance now to address the problem.
If you enlarge this picture from JLB's Instagram, you can see that he still has 2 hi-hat's next to each rack tom on the sides.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BkDKfYjnGSO/?hl=en&taken-by=jameslabrie.dt
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Something interesting from the one with MM: his hi-hats are way on top of his kit now, I feel like this would be very difficult to play, but it's Mangini we're talking about, it's all easy to him anyway :lol
Wow, that's so weird, thanks for pointing it out! Why on earth would he do that? Maybe its easier to reach with both hands that way?
My guess is that he is already practicing for the recording and one of the consistent issues they have had in previous sessions is how the cymbals were bleeding into the toms and vice versa. I guess they arw putting some distance now to address the problem.
If you enlarge this picture from JLB's Instagram, you can see that he still has 2 hi-hat's next to each rack tom on the sides.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BkDKfYjnGSO/?hl=en&taken-by=jameslabrie.dt
Not really, those are his stacks, he uses 5 of them, from high to low. He only uses 4 hi hats (2 on each side), and all are on the high part of the kit.
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Well Jordan has thrown us a bone.
"Here is my notation from the Dream Theater writing sessions. Good luck!! :)"
https://www.instagram.com/p/BkEND9QHrvR/?hl=en&taken-by=jcrudess
Awesome, JR is trolling us! :lol
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I'm pretty giddy.
Not sure if this has been talked about already, but I tried looking through some of the videos that were posted, and couldn't find any trace of this fabled 8 string that JP and SB have been talking about for over a year.
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Maybe now that they're in writing mode they use their usual gear, and once they know which material they'll have, he'll try a heavy song on that guitar.
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Maybe now that they're in writing mode they use their usual gear, and once they know which material they'll have, he'll try a heavy song on that guitar.
This.
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Maybe now that they're in writing mode they use their usual gear, and once they know which material they'll have, he'll try a heavy song on that guitar.
This.
He can’t try a song on a guitar that doesn’t exist, though.
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Maybe now that they're in writing mode they use their usual gear, and once they know which material they'll have, he'll try a heavy song on that guitar.
This.
He can’t try a song on a guitar that doesn’t exist, though.
But he is THE JP!! :metal :metal :metal
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And on the 7th day JP said "Let there be 8 string" and he saw that it was good.
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TWITTER UPDATE. Basically, it's all good vibes.
https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1008154542989602816
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Awesome. John is so giddy.
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"The five pillars of Dream Theater"
Sounds good to me.
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They posted a longer video on Facebook and confirmed the music is very heavy and aggressive, but also progressive and epic (from JP’s mouth), so it sounds good as always :metal
They also asked to post questions about the album (and more) on the comments, so I basically left a comment with like 10 questions or more :lol
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They posted a longer video on Facebook and confirmed the music is very heavy and aggressive, but also progressive and epic (from JP’s mouth), so it sounds good as always :metal
They also asked to post questions about the album (and more) on the comments, so I basically left a comment with like 10 questions or more :lol
I like the way they are interacting with fans in this one..
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Yeah, more of these kind of studio videos with treats! I like what they're doing!
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I just really hope they use another sound engineer for mixing this time. The last couple of records sound extremely sterile and boring, to the point where I'm not able to enjoy the music that much for that reason alone.
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The interaction part of it is really cool!
I asked if James' presence since day one means he will have more creative control over the vocal lines and melodies.... we wouldn't want the music to be written all instrumentally, and then whoever wrote the most come up with vocal lines that would make James choke live every night.
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I just really hope they use another sound engineer for mixing this time. The last couple of records sound extremely sterile and boring, to the point where I'm not able to enjoy the music that much for that reason alone.
Hmm, I think TA is mixed and produced very well!
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I just really hope they use another sound engineer for mixing this time. The last couple of records sound extremely sterile and boring, to the point where I'm not able to enjoy the music that much for that reason alone.
Hmm, I think TA is mixed and produced very well!
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I've seen a lot of people speaking well of Kevin Shirley and wishing for his return during the mixing process. As he mixed Train of Thought, if DT14 turns out to be a 'heavy and aggressive' record as the band has said, It's quite possible that he will be mixing the album assuring the band is still in contact with him.
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I've seen a lot of people speaking well of Kevin Shirley and wishing for his return during the mixing process. As he mixed Train of Thought, if DT14 turns out to be a 'heavy and aggressive' record as the band has said, It's quite possible that he will be mixing the album assuring the band is still in contact with him.
I asked them about the posibility of working with him on future mixes on their Facebook post, hope they answer it. He actually mixed FII, half of SFAM, SDOIT and TOT (and all the live albums between them + CIM), and most of them sound very good. It would be nice to have him mix the album this time.
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Well, it’s seems Richard Chycki is busy with other stuff now. Doesn’t seem like he’s involved in the new dt album. (Ref: Facebook)
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Let's see about engineering-mixing. Shirley would be a top option since the albums mixed by him are the best sounding ones.
I would say that even Paul Northfield (SC, BC&SL) would be good, as long as the album doesn't get ultra-loud.
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Hope they try a different engineer this time. A newer, fresher one.
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There's always Jens Bogren (Opeth, Katatonia, Haken....) who would be a great fit in creating a modern, powerful sound.
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I would say that even Paul Northfield (SC, BC&SL) would be good, as long as the album doesn't get ultra-loud.
In my opinion, BC&SL is one of their best-sounding albums. So I'd be all for this :tup
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There's always Jens Bogren (Opeth, Katatonia, Haken....) who would be a great fit in creating a modern, powerful sound.
That'd be super kewl. I have never heard an album where he was involved that had a shitty sound.
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Well, it’s seems Richard Chycki is busy with other stuff now. Doesn’t seem like he’s involved in the new dt album. (Ref: Facebook)
But DT are currently writing, not recording, so there’s no need for a studio engineer/mixer right now. Once they move to a recording studio and start tracking, then we’ll (hopefully) find out who’s working with them.
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I am wondering if someone, maybe JLB, has a tablet or laptop open over there just refreshing DTF. It seems like they are hitting a lot of spots that DTF has talked about over the last bit with regards to the type of music they want, the direction of the band, the social media exposure and updates. I'm pretty excited for this. They are doing exactly the opposite of SOA and even what they have done on their more recent albums, and just let the music come together as a band in seclusion.
"The five pillars of Dream Theater"
Sounds good to me.
:metal :metal
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Well, it's no secret that Bosk passes along relevant information to the band, updating them on what goes on in the forum...
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There's always Jens Bogren (Opeth, Katatonia, Haken....) who would be a great fit in creating a modern, powerful sound.
Well if this is the case there is even Fredrik Nordström who worked even with Opeth and he is well known for his good productions in heavy albums. His production in Architects' Lost Forever Lost Together was amazing. :metal :metal
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DT still needs to be careful what they post - guys from these forums could solve Cicada 3301 riddles with ease.
I'm back to the forums after a few year break. It's the best time to be here when the hype slowly begins growing. Cannot wait for new brain teasers, like when we managed to correlate track lengths with track names given only standard deviation of track lengths and a single pie chart
DT14 season has officially started!
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The bands level of fan interaction this time, is perfect. :tup
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There's always Jens Bogren (Opeth, Katatonia, Haken....) who would be a great fit in creating a modern, powerful sound.
Well if this is the case there is even Fredrik Nordström who worked even with Opeth and he is well known for his good productions in heavy albums. His production in Architects' Lost Forever Lost Together was amazing. :metal :metal
Jens Bogren worked on James’ last two records, so they could consider working with him. I really like his work on the last two Angra albums.
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Jens Bogren worked on James’ last two records, so they could consider working with him. I really like his work on the last two Angra albums.
I really love the sound of Impermanent Resonance too.
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Do people think Katatonia albums sound good? I've never been one to complain about that sort of thing, and don't have a problem at all with the last few DT albums. But I've always thought Katatonia albums do sound really good and clear and wonder if it's just because I like them or if those albums don't do as much of whatever it is people complain about with the mix.
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Cool little video update, the guys seem really excited. I love the different approach this time around. Being able to write in a room together, demo everything and then have time to actually react to the demos and tweak if needed - that's something we've discussed on here before as something that would be beneficial to the band instead of just writing and recording all at the same time in the studio.
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The bands level of fan interaction this time, is perfect. :tup
It helps having people like me on board that sends pages upon pages of ideas and suggestions to them regarding what they should be doing ;)
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The bands level of fan interaction this time, is perfect. :tup
It helps having people like me on board that sends pages upon pages of ideas and suggestions to them regarding what they should be doing ;)
:lol I don't doubt that one bit. In that case, thank you noxon! :hefdaddy
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A big yay to Jens Bogren, although I think his mixing style is kinda way too samey. I don't want DT to sound like Haken/Opeth/*insert metal band mixed by Jens*.
I'm probably being overly paranoid because I love his work. I have no problems whatsoever with The Astonishing's sound but I do hope DT get a big hit this time regarding their production because it's exhausting to read angry fans everywhere you go in the internet :lol
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Yea, I feel like the fan base has been asking for this type of interaction and output from them for awhile, but they are coming through now. Whether thats Bosk or Noxon, keep it up. I think it's great and hopefully gets the fan base united again for this release.
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TWITTER UPDATE. Basically, it's all good vibes.
https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1008154542989602816
I clicked on the link expecting to see that they had a vibraphone in the studio.
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Dream Theater and Haken are both going heavier this time and it's possible that their two new albums will be released around the same time. This is going to be one hell of a race (not really, of course, just for me). It was the same with DT12 and The Mountain, and imo The Mountain was the better album. Let's see what happens this time :metal
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Dream Theater and Haken are both going heavier this time and it's possible that their two new albums will be released around the same time. This is going to be one hell of a race (not really, of course, just for me). It was the same with DT12 and The Mountain, and imo The Mountain was the better album. Let's see what happens this time :metal
Just get them to tour together :hefdaddy
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Dream Theater and Haken are both going heavier this time and it's possible that their two new albums will be released around the same time. This is going to be one hell of a race (not really, of course, just for me). It was the same with DT12 and The Mountain, and imo The Mountain was the better album. Let's see what happens this time :metal
Just get them to tour together :hefdaddy
This. That would be an amazing show.
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Jordan posted this 3 days ago. Just promoting an app, or is he using this in the new album?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BkEejFQnOqs/?hl=en
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155786626677989&id=8717682988&_rdr
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Dream Theater and Haken are both going heavier this time and it's possible that their two new albums will be released around the same time. This is going to be one hell of a race (not really, of course, just for me). It was the same with DT12 and The Mountain, and imo The Mountain was the better album. Let's see what happens this time :metal
Just get them to tour together :hefdaddy
As awesome as it would be to see them both together, I prefer DT by themselves. Gives them more time to play. And I’m just greedy!
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Dream Theater and Haken are both going heavier this time and it's possible that their two new albums will be released around the same time. This is going to be one hell of a race (not really, of course, just for me). It was the same with DT12 and The Mountain, and imo The Mountain was the better album. Let's see what happens this time :metal
Just get them to tour together :hefdaddy
As awesome as it would be to see them both together, I prefer DT by themselves. Gives them more time to play. And I’m just greedy!
And I agree with you! However, I think the best thing for James’ voice at this point would be shorter sets. An opening act is the best option for that, imo.
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Dream Theater and Haken are both going heavier this time and it's possible that their two new albums will be released around the same time. This is going to be one hell of a race (not really, of course, just for me). It was the same with DT12 and The Mountain, and imo The Mountain was the better album. Let's see what happens this time :metal
Just get them to tour together :hefdaddy
As awesome as it would be to see them both together, I prefer DT by themselves. Gives them more time to play. And I’m just greedy!
And I agree with you! However, I think the best thing for James’ voice at this point would be shorter sets. An opening act is the best option for that, imo.
DT and Haken could be a dream come true gig for me. Please make it happen!
And I agree with upper comment that they aren't young anymore so shorter set (1,5-2h) could be enough.
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DT and Haken doing an extensive tour together would be great for the genre of music IMO. The old and the young prog metal bands.
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DT and Haken doing an extensive tour together would be great for the genre of music IMO. The old and the young prog metal bands.
It would be a good tour, and I'm saying that as a guy that isn't crazy about Haken.
They could even pull another young band from the label to open. Have that band do like 30 minutes. Haken could do like 45 minutes. Then DT could do like 2 hours. That would be a sweet concert.
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DT and Haken doing an extensive tour together would be great for the genre of music IMO. The old and the young prog metal bands.
It would be a good tour, and I'm saying that as a guy that isn't crazy about Haken.
They could even pull another young band from the label to open. Have that band do like 30 minutes. Haken could do like 45 minutes. Then DT could do like 2 hours. That would be a sweet concert.
45 minutes for Haken? That would be a shame. They're beyond that now. 1.5 hours at the very least!
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DT and Haken doing an extensive tour together would be great for the genre of music IMO. The old and the young prog metal bands.
It would be a good tour, and I'm saying that as a guy that isn't crazy about Haken.
They could even pull another young band from the label to open. Have that band do like 30 minutes. Haken could do like 45 minutes. Then DT could do like 2 hours. That would be a sweet concert.
45 minutes for Haken? That would be a shame. They're beyond that now. 1.5 hours at the very least!
Co-headlining? Don't think Haken has reached that status yet. May be wrong though.
B.Lee
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45 minutes for Haken? That would be a shame. They're beyond that now. 1.5 hours at the very least!
Yeah, like I said, I'm not a Haken fan - so 45 minutes is 45 minutes too many for me personally. But for an opener that's a decent set. Haken would be wise to take a tour like that, especially in the US where they are still a very small draw on their own. Opening for DT in the states would be a great opportunity for them.
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No. Haken is already making a dent in touring. They will get a bump from touring with MP. As much as I'd love seeing this Haken is more established in this part of their career to open.
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Jordan confirmed on Facebook about the writing: they have heavy stuff and long epic stuff :metal
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No. Haken is already making a dent in touring. They will get a bump from touring with MP. As much as I'd love seeing this Haken is more established in this part of their career to open.
Wow, I admittedly don't follow Haken but I feel like you might be giving them too much credit - at least as it applies to touring in the states. Last time they came through my area they played in a venue that holds like 300-400 people and didn't come close to selling it out. In my eyes, that's a band that could definitely benefit and continue to grow their fan base by opening for DT.
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No. Haken is already making a dent in touring. They will get a bump from touring with MP. As much as I'd love seeing this Haken is more established in this part of their career to open.
Wow, I admittedly don't follow Haken but I feel like you might be giving them too much credit - at least as it applies to touring in the states. Last time they came through my area they played in a venue that holds like 300-400 people and didn't come close to selling it out. In my eyes, that's a band that could definitely benefit and continue to grow their fan base by opening for DT.
Yea, Haken are not there yet. Playing in front of 500 and less crowds is opener material for a bigger band. They need the exposure to grow more. What better way than to open for one of the biggest prog metal bands?
I don't see it that differently than DT opening for IM just on a smaller scale.
Of course Haken opening for SOA would be good for them too IMO, but SOA didn't have close to the draw DT does from the show I went to.
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I'd love to see an opening act.
I nominate ARCH ECHO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F65IQmP7lCk
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I agree that Haken opening for DT would be great for them, they are not too established to do that, certainly not in the UK. We’ve had the likes of Porcupine Tree open for DT over here and, even back then, they were far more known than Haken are now. Would give more exposure to Haken, just as it did for Spock’s Beard, Pain Of Salvation and others. Haken are also fans of the band, they were actually stood right in front of me at Manchester Apollo on the AFTR show and were loving it, hugging each other and singing along to the SFAM stuff in particular.
All that being said, my preference would always be for the Evening With shows if the band feel that it is not a problem or putting them under too much strain.
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There is way, way too much talk about Haken in this thread.
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I'd love to see an opening act.
I nominate ARCH ECHO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F65IQmP7lCk
Can't quite decide how I feel about these guys. Crazy talented for sure. Think I need to check out their album in it's entirety.
I'd personally prefer Pagan's Mind, Circus Maximus or Plini if I could have any bands :o
Back on topic...really completely thrilled with the updates so far. It's so much appreciated, and I hope DT is able to keep it up as the writing/recording comes along.
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I'd love to see an opening act.
I nominate ARCH ECHO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F65IQmP7lCk
Absolutely love this guys. Wouldn’t mind AE to open for DT at all
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There is way, way too much talk about Haken in this thread.
There can never be too much Haken talk anywhere
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There is way, way too much talk about Haken in this thread.
There can never be too much Haken talk anywhere
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There is way, way too much talk about Haken in this thread.
It's the fad of the week. I remember when this board was polluted constantly with Opeth this and Pain of Salvation that. The trends come and go.
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There is way, way too much talk about Haken in this thread.
Hah, so much truth here bud.
I'd love to see an opening act.
I nominate ARCH ECHO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F65IQmP7lCk
Yeah, these guys are cool. I really like their album, they'd be a cool instrumental opener.
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There is way, way too much talk about Haken in this thread.
There can never be too much Haken talk anywhere
Yes, there can.
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There is way, way too much talk about Haken in this thread.
It's the fad of the week. I remember when this board was polluted constantly with Opeth this and Pain of Salvation that. The trends come and go.
Apologies for derailing the thread further, but I realized the other day that Opeth are no longer on my musical radar. It wasn't a even a conscious decision. I just forgot about them. I have no idea if their popularity has fallen or risen on the board as a whole, but I think my interest has been waning because their last few albums haven't been my favorite.
Anyhow... DT in the studio! Awesome! :lol
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I hope they're really working well together and I hope it is fun for them. It was nice to see the enthusiasm in the JLB & JP video. I felt it was genuine. I'm looking forward to the next update.
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In regards to Haken, I remember when I first heard Visions years ago, the first thing I remember thinking was that these were the successors to DT's throne. That's coming from a long time die-hard DT fan so I think the fact that their new albums are getting release around the same time it's natural to have the discussion of having the two bands tour together.
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In regards to Haken, I remember when I first heard Visions years ago, the first thing I remember thinking was that these were the successors to DT's throne. That's coming from a long time die-hard DT fan so I think the fact that their new albums are getting release around the same time it's natural to have the discussion of having the two bands tour together.
I thought the same thing after hearing Aquarius for the first time! Visions is my least favorite Haken album, which of course doesn't mean anything.
Btw, do you guys think I will piss people off by contributing even more to the Haken-mania by creating a thread for favourite Haken album? :D
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In regards to Haken, I remember when I first heard Visions years ago, the first thing I remember thinking was that these were the successors to DT's throne. That's coming from a long time die-hard DT fan so I think the fact that their new albums are getting release around the same time it's natural to have the discussion of having the two bands tour together.
I thought the same thing after hearing Aquarius for the first time! Visions is my least favorite Haken album, which of course doesn't mean anything.
Btw, do you guys think I will piss people off by contributing even more to the Haken-mania by creating a thread for favourite Haken album? :D
You can, but not on the DT side of the forum.
B.Lee
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DT posted on FB a pic of Myung practicing in the garden, in his usual black clothes he wears on stage :lol
No matter where he is, John Myung has to wear black and play bass!
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BkT63BXHG2L/?hl=it&taken-by=jcrudess
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Why do they seem to be having so much fun? :rollin
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Why do they seem to be having so much fun? :rollin
:lol
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I'm not usually a "This person needs to contribute to the writing!" kind of guy, just because there are a lot of bands where only a couple of people write, but I hope that Mangini is being allowed to contribute. I remember him sounding pretty bummed about a lack of involvement during an interview a year or two back.
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I'm not usually a "This person needs to contribute to the writing!" kind of guy, just because there are a lot of bands where only a couple of people write, but I hope that Mangini is being allowed to contribute. I remember him sounding pretty bummed about a lack of involvement during an interview a year or two back.
I hope so too, it certainly seems like the environment is right this time around for him to be able to contribute a good deal.
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I hope so too. I remember during the DT12 recordings that his problem was that he would come up with an idea to contribute but before he could solidify the idea, the other members already came up with a riff or a progression. I hope that the slower pace of writing a demo instead of writing during the recording session would allow him to contribute more.
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I hope so too. I remember during the DT12 recordings that his problem was that he would come up with an idea to contribute but before he could solidify the idea, the other members already came up with a riff or a progression. I hope that the slower pace of writing a demo instead of writing during the recording session would allow him to contribute more.
Provided it is something interesting, because we don't know after all if his ideas will suit DT. But, yeah, I get where you're coming from. It may make for more interesting drum parts at least.
B.Lee
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I hope so too. I remember during the DT12 recordings that his problem was that he would come up with an idea to contribute but before he could solidify the idea, the other members already came up with a riff or a progression. I hope that the slower pace of writing a demo instead of writing during the recording session would allow him to contribute more.
Provided it is something interesting, because we don't know after all if his ideas will suit DT. But, yeah, I get where you're coming from. It may make for more interesting drum parts at least.
B.Lee
This raises an interesting point of discussion that Stadler has talked about many times with Dream Theater: back in the day I don't think there was a 'suits DT/doesn't suit DT' mentality about the songs. They just wrote stuff and the result was a blend of many styles and ideas. I think if any of them have the 'this doesn't suit DT' mentality that's only going to harm the record. FFS we had jazz blastbeats on The Astonishing! Anything should be on the table imo. If for some reason they're becoming risk averse that's only going to be detrimental to songwriting and making some awesome, fresh material. I hope Mangini gets to contribute a lot and has some fresh, wacky ideas.
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I hope so too. I remember during the DT12 recordings that his problem was that he would come up with an idea to contribute but before he could solidify the idea, the other members already came up with a riff or a progression. I hope that the slower pace of writing a demo instead of writing during the recording session would allow him to contribute more.
Provided it is something interesting, because we don't know after all if his ideas will suit DT. But, yeah, I get where you're coming from. It may make for more interesting drum parts at least.
B.Lee
This raises an interesting point of discussion that Stadler has talked about many times with Dream Theater: back in the day I don't think there was a 'suits DT/doesn't suit DT' mentality about the songs. They just wrote stuff and the result was a blend of many styles and ideas. I think if any of them have the 'this doesn't suit DT' mentality that's only going to harm the record. FFS we had jazz blastbeats on The Astonishing! Anything should be on the table imo. If for some reason they're becoming risk averse that's only going to be detrimental to songwriting and making some awesome, fresh material. I hope Mangini gets to contribute a lot and has some fresh, wacky ideas.
Yep and the trend began with SC for me. I hope this all being together will get to something interesting, because if it doesn't, then, there is not much room left. And this is something coming from someone who loves TA.
B.Lee
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New video from Jordan: :D
https://www.facebook.com/jordanrudessofficial/videos/10155800071122989/
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New video from Jordan: :D
https://www.facebook.com/jordanrudessofficial/videos/10155800071122989/
I told it was a Gregorian Chant album ;D
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New video from Jordan: :D
https://www.facebook.com/jordanrudessofficial/videos/10155800071122989/
Nice! :lol Jon Pet True Chee :biggrin:
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They took a pretty big risk on the last record and not sure fans were too accepting of it. I happen to like TA a lot but I’m fine if they go tried and trusted on this one. Taking big risks is overrated especially 14 albums in when you have an established fan base who know you for a certain style of music. Last thing I want to see DT do is go away from their core sound like an Opeth or a Pain Of Salvation, give me a classic DT album with crunching riffs, memorable melodies, epic solos and I’ll be happy.
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Give me a classic DT album with crunching riffs, memorable melodies, epic solos and I’ll be happy.
This is in fact what they are planning to give us, according to JP and JLB. :metal
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So DT, at this point, shouldn't do whatever the heck they want that satisfies them creatively and just stick to what they do best? That's fine for certain bands (and I prefer some bands to stick with what they do best), but I wouldn't think DT should be that kind of band. Isn't that what music should be about? If they have a vision, they shouldn't fulfill that all the way completely because they are afraid that their core fanbase will not like it? Sometimes, I question what is the true definition of progressive metal nowadays.
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So DT shouldn't be at this stage to do whatever the heck they want that satisfies them creatively? Isn't that what music should be about? If they have a vision, they shouldn't fulfill that all the way completely because they are afraid that their core fanbase will not like it? Sometimes, I question what is the true definition of progressive metal nowadays.
This, seriously.
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So DT, at this point, shouldn't do whatever the heck they want that satisfies them creatively and just stick to what they do best? That's fine for certain bands (and I prefer some bands to stick with what they do best), but I wouldn't think DT should be that kind of band. Isn't that what music should be about? If they have a vision, they shouldn't fulfill that all the way completely because they are afraid that their core fanbase will not like it? Sometimes, I question what is the true definition of progressive metal nowadays.
DT have pretty much stuck to what they do best for their entire career so I would expect they would be the type of band to do that. They went outside the box on their last release and half their fan base lost their minds. DT should do whatever they want of course but my guess is that they’ll want to do an album that pleases their fans this time around. I’m personally a fan of what DT do so am not looking for them to stray too far from their core sound. The 2 bands I mentioned (Opeth and POS) totally lost me when they completely changed their style of music. Not saying they were wrong to follow their hearts and make the music they wanted, not at all, just saying that I was not a fan of their new music and I’m not looking to lose another of my favourite bands.
So yes, like I said, I will be happy with a classic sounding DT album, I am not looking for them to do something completely out of left field as I like what they do. That’s just me though, DT should do whatever they want to do.
As for the definition of progressive metal, Id say it was metal with long songs, big solos and lots of noodling. That seems to be the norm.
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As for the definition of progressive metal, Id say it was metal with long songs, big solos and lots of noodling. That seems to be the norm.
Ok, but can we honestly say that the music is "progressive" nowadays? I think we probably need to rename that type of music, honestly, since there comes a point where that brand of progressive metal could and may have become cliches and become stale. I say we should now call that type of music "Technical metal" since I feel like that type of music has lost its "progressive" tendencies.
Btw, I apologize for speaking in thoughts that may make no sense. I'm still riled over something, hockey-related. That post is in the NHL thread.
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I don’t know, Technical Metal sounds a little cold and joyless. I just think people shouldn’t take the word progressive too literally. I just see it as a mixture of metal music and prog music so you get the epic songs and noodling along with the heavy aggressive metal elements. Progressive is just a label, not an indication that this will be the next stage of musical evolution.
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Ok, but can we honestly say that the music is "progressive" nowadays? I think we probably need to rename that type of music, honestly, since there comes a point where that brand of progressive metal could and may have become cliches and become stale. I say we should now call that type of music "Technical metal" since I feel like that type of music has lost its "progressive" tendencies.
I'd say no. Just like I wouldn't stop calling "alternative music" alternative, even though it's far from alternative now. While it might have a meaning to describe a new style of music, over time a label (such as progressive or alternative) comes to define a style of music, even if that style of music outgrows the label it was given in the first place. Any style of music that is not common could be defined as alternative or progressive, but that doesn't mean that we'd actually call it alternative or progressive music.
Besides, there already is technical metal - IIRC, bands like Watchtower and Spiral Architect fit that label more than they would progressive.
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Besides, many people think of the term "progressive" in a very singular way. It's not (just) about the music being a progress from the music that was before.
It can also means the music progresses instead of going around in loops of "verse, chorus, verse, chorus".
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Besides, many people think of the term "progressive" in a very singular way. It's not (just) about the music being a progress from the music that was before.
It can also means the music progresses instead of going around in loops of "verse, chorus, verse, chorus".
That's how I hear the term as well.
B.Lee
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Besides, many people think of the term "progressive" in a very singular way. It's not (just) about the music being a progress from the music that was before.
It can also means the music progresses instead of going around in loops of "verse, chorus, verse, chorus".
I've always divided "progressive" music in two three camps with some overlap:
"Prog" rock/metal, which tries to emulate the sound of 70s Prog Bands (Genesis, Yes, Rush, Floyd, etc.) or 90s Prog Metal Bands (DT, Opeth, PT, Meshuggah, etc.) without really adding anything new to the genre. Most of the "lesser known" prog bands fall here, as does a lot of Djent.
"Progressive" rock/metal, which tries to break new ground while not necessarily emulating the 70s or 90s prog sounds. Stuff like King Crimson, Yes, Dream Theater, The Dear Hunter, older Muse, Radiohead, etc.
and "Art" Rock/Metal just aims to make albums/songs more thematic/connected/cohesive, or attempts to use classical or jazz theory in a traditional rock/metal setting. Art rock/metal won't necessarily try to get rid of the "Intro - Verse 1 - Chorus - Verse 2 - Chorus - Bridge - Solo - Chorus - Chorus - Outro" structure, but it'll do more thematic and interesting things with that structure. Things that fit here are older Muse, Radiohead, crow-era Incubus, Queen, Pink Floyd, The Beatles' later albums, My Chemical Romance's The Black Parade, etc.
Since there's overlap, something can fit in one, two, or all three subgenres. Pink Floyd, for example, fits all three. Dream Theater mostly fits the first two. MCR's The Black Parade isn't prog/progressive, but it's definitely art rock. And so on.
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They took a pretty big risk on the last record and not sure fans were too accepting of it. I happen to like TA a lot but I’m fine if they go tried and trusted on this one. Taking big risks is overrated especially 14 albums in when you have an established fan base who know you for a certain style of music. Last thing I want to see DT do is go away from their core sound like an Opeth or a Pain Of Salvation, give me a classic DT album with crunching riffs, memorable melodies, epic solos and I’ll be happy.
While I agree to an extent (Opeth are lost to me), PoS' 2017 record is my second favourite of theirs of all time after Remedy Lane.
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Besides, many people think of the term "progressive" in a very singular way. It's not (just) about the music being a progress from the music that was before.
It can also means the music progresses instead of going around in loops of "verse, chorus, verse, chorus".
I've always divided "progressive" music in two three camps with some overlap:
"Prog" rock/metal, which tries to emulate the sound of 70s Prog Bands (Genesis, Yes, Rush, Floyd, etc.) or 90s Prog Metal Bands (DT, Opeth, PT, Meshuggah, etc.) without really adding anything new to the genre. Most of the "lesser known" prog bands fall here, as does a lot of Djent.
"Progressive" rock/metal, which tries to break new ground while not necessarily emulating the 70s or 90s prog sounds. Stuff like King Crimson, Yes, Dream Theater, The Dear Hunter, older Muse, Radiohead, etc.
and "Art" Rock/Metal just aims to make albums/songs more thematic/connected/cohesive, or attempts to use classical or jazz theory in a traditional rock/metal setting. Art rock/metal won't necessarily try to get rid of the "Intro - Verse 1 - Chorus - Verse 2 - Chorus - Bridge - Solo - Chorus - Chorus - Outro" structure, but it'll do more thematic and interesting things with that structure. Things that fit here are older Muse, Radiohead, crow-era Incubus, Queen, Pink Floyd, The Beatles' later albums, My Chemical Romance's The Black Parade, etc.
Since there's overlap, something can fit in one, two, or all three subgenres. Pink Floyd, for example, fits all three. Dream Theater mostly fits the first two. MCR's The Black Parade isn't prog/progressive, but it's definitely art rock. And so on.
Lol at your putting Meshuggah in with Opeth, suggesting they are imitating 90s prog bands, and that they offered nothing new in their genre. They invented a genre.
Also, need to go back and take a look at how innovative Opeth were in late 90s and early 00s. They are now a 70s rock throwback, but that's a different matter.
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Besides, many people think of the term "progressive" in a very singular way. It's not (just) about the music being a progress from the music that was before.
It can also means the music progresses instead of going around in loops of "verse, chorus, verse, chorus".
I've always divided "progressive" music in two three camps with some overlap:
"Prog" rock/metal, which tries to emulate the sound of 70s Prog Bands (Genesis, Yes, Rush, Floyd, etc.) or 90s Prog Metal Bands (DT, Opeth, PT, Meshuggah, etc.) without really adding anything new to the genre. Most of the "lesser known" prog bands fall here, as does a lot of Djent.
"Progressive" rock/metal, which tries to break new ground while not necessarily emulating the 70s or 90s prog sounds. Stuff like King Crimson, Yes, Dream Theater, The Dear Hunter, older Muse, Radiohead, etc.
and "Art" Rock/Metal just aims to make albums/songs more thematic/connected/cohesive, or attempts to use classical or jazz theory in a traditional rock/metal setting. Art rock/metal won't necessarily try to get rid of the "Intro - Verse 1 - Chorus - Verse 2 - Chorus - Bridge - Solo - Chorus - Chorus - Outro" structure, but it'll do more thematic and interesting things with that structure. Things that fit here are older Muse, Radiohead, crow-era Incubus, Queen, Pink Floyd, The Beatles' later albums, My Chemical Romance's The Black Parade, etc.
Since there's overlap, something can fit in one, two, or all three subgenres. Pink Floyd, for example, fits all three. Dream Theater mostly fits the first two. MCR's The Black Parade isn't prog/progressive, but it's definitely art rock. And so on.
As for Queen... I mean, just listen to A Night At The Opera, let alone any of their other 70s records....
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Besides, many people think of the term "progressive" in a very singular way. It's not (just) about the music being a progress from the music that was before.
It can also means the music progresses instead of going around in loops of "verse, chorus, verse, chorus".
I've always divided "progressive" music in two three camps with some overlap:
"Prog" rock/metal, which tries to emulate the sound of 70s Prog Bands (Genesis, Yes, Rush, Floyd, etc.) or 90s Prog Metal Bands (DT, Opeth, PT, Meshuggah, etc.) without really adding anything new to the genre. Most of the "lesser known" prog bands fall here, as does a lot of Djent.
"Progressive" rock/metal, which tries to break new ground while not necessarily emulating the 70s or 90s prog sounds. Stuff like King Crimson, Yes, Dream Theater, The Dear Hunter, older Muse, Radiohead, etc.
and "Art" Rock/Metal just aims to make albums/songs more thematic/connected/cohesive, or attempts to use classical or jazz theory in a traditional rock/metal setting. Art rock/metal won't necessarily try to get rid of the "Intro - Verse 1 - Chorus - Verse 2 - Chorus - Bridge - Solo - Chorus - Chorus - Outro" structure, but it'll do more thematic and interesting things with that structure. Things that fit here are older Muse, Radiohead, crow-era Incubus, Queen, Pink Floyd, The Beatles' later albums, My Chemical Romance's The Black Parade, etc.
Since there's overlap, something can fit in one, two, or all three subgenres. Pink Floyd, for example, fits all three. Dream Theater mostly fits the first two. MCR's The Black Parade isn't prog/progressive, but it's definitely art rock. And so on.
Lol at your putting Meshuggah in with Opeth, suggesting they are imitating 90s prog bands, and that they offered nothing new in their genre. They invented a genre.
Also, need to go back and take a look at how innovative Opeth were in late 90s and early 00s. They are now a 70s rock throwback, but that's a different matter.
...I was saying that they were two of the big 90s progressive bands that a lot of prog bands nowadays imitate, but okay. :U
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They took a pretty big risk on the last record and not sure fans were too accepting of it. I happen to like TA a lot but I’m fine if they go tried and trusted on this one. Taking big risks is overrated especially 14 albums in when you have an established fan base who know you for a certain style of music. Last thing I want to see DT do is go away from their core sound like an Opeth or a Pain Of Salvation, give me a classic DT album with crunching riffs, memorable melodies, epic solos and I’ll be happy.
While I agree to an extent (Opeth are lost to me), PoS' 2017 record is my second favourite of theirs of all time after Remedy Lane.
Couldn’t argue with you as I haven’t bought one of their albums in years so I haven’t heard it.
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DT should do whatever they want of course but my guess is that they’ll want to do an album that pleases their fans this time around.
It *did* please their fans but, as it is such with the Internet, the fans that didn't like it always have the loudest voices thereby skewing perception. The only issue I can see with The Astonishing is people not understanding what it was: a rock opera, which means they got something they weren't expecting and that seems to be enough to totally take a dump on it. DT never said "it's a jazz album" or anything like that. It was *always* a rock opera but people who decided to not understand that are generally the ones taking the dumps.
Hasn't it already been said that DT does, in fact, try and please their fans anyway by doing Album A, listening to fans, then not repeating Album A and doing Album B instead? Ultimately, they still do what they want regardless but also keeping the fans in mind.
Also, nobody can please 100% of any fans in any medium, so there's no point in even trying. Just do what you do and see what happens.
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Sorry if this has already been asked in this thread but is LaBrie actually in the studio with the band as they write? And is he going to record his vocals in the same studio when the band is around?
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It *did* please their fans but, as it is such with the Internet, the fans that didn't like it always have the loudest voices thereby skewing perception.
I don't think that's true. The TA tour was, to my knowledge, the only DT tour that played in less than half-filled venues by the end of the tour. Whether you disagree with the fans' perception of TA is irrelevant, but it's definitely not true that TA "pleased the fans" in general.
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I'm a fan. I'm pleased with TA. Others feels that way as well and others don't. Does that mean because others don't like it invalidate those that do dig it?
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Sorry if this has already been asked in this thread but is LaBrie actually in the studio with the band as they write? And is he going to record his vocals in the same studio when the band is around?
James is with them right now for the writing process (he posted a couple pics + appeared on the video with JP). They haven't said anything about the recording, though, but considering they're not writing in the studio this time and that he recorded vocals in Canada for ADTOE and TA, my bet is he'll record there as well this time.
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No. Haken is already making a dent in touring. They will get a bump from touring with MP. As much as I'd love seeing this Haken is more established in this part of their career to open.
I disagree. Haken is one of my favorite bands, so I'm not knocking them - but a band like Trivium, as much as I don't really care for them, is a much bigger act than Haken, and even THEY opened for DT a few years back.
If they have a vision, they shouldn't fulfill that all the way completely because they are afraid that their core fanbase will not like it? Sometimes, I question what is the true definition of progressive metal nowadays.
Did you like or hate The Astonishing? Because I remember before TA came out, EVERYONE was saying this and then turned around and shat all over it. :lol
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If they have a vision, they shouldn't fulfill that all the way completely because they are afraid that their core fanbase will not like it? Sometimes, I question what is the true definition of progressive metal nowadays.
Did you like or hate The Astonishing? Because I remember before TA came out, EVERYONE was saying this and then turned around and shat all over it. :lol
Agreed! The people who cried loudest for a change of direction were also the people who criticized The Astonishing most. It was a good example of why bands don't go off the beaten path too often. Fans will show you no mercy if you stray in the wrong direction... :lol
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No. Haken is already making a dent in touring. They will get a bump from touring with MP. As much as I'd love seeing this Haken is more established in this part of their career to open.
I disagree. Haken is one of my favorite bands, so I'm not knocking them - but a band like Trivium, as much as I don't really care for them, is a much bigger act than Haken, and even THEY opened for DT a few years back.
If they have a vision, they shouldn't fulfill that all the way completely because they are afraid that their core fanbase will not like it? Sometimes, I question what is the true definition of progressive metal nowadays.
Did you like or hate The Astonishing? Because I remember before TA came out, EVERYONE was saying this and then turned around and shat all over it. :lol
I'm saying all the touring and exposure is a good thing for them. They are on the rise. I'm hoping within the next 5 years they are playing 2000 seat arenas.
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Thursday June 28, 3 PM EST, the band will answer on a FB live stream the best questions among those submitted for the last video!
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Sorry if this has already been asked in this thread but is LaBrie actually in the studio with the band as they write? And is he going to record his vocals in the same studio when the band is around?
James is with them right now for the writing process (he posted a couple pics + appeared on the video with JP). They haven't said anything about the recording, though, but considering they're not writing in the studio this time and that he recorded vocals in Canada for ADTOE and TA, my bet is he'll record there as well this time.
That's interesting. I always thought he came in later after everything was written.
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Well, usually that's how it went, this time around he's there since day one. I've asked that precise question, if his presence there means that he will have more input on how the vocal lines are being constructed, I assume others will have asked what he's doing there, let's hope we'll get the answer in three days!
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And apparently JLB doesn't care for french fries.....
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And apparently JLB doesn't care for french fries.....
Nah he just doesn't care for peanuts
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And apparently JLB doesn't care for french fries.....
Nah he just doesn't care for peanuts
:tup Was wondering if anyone would get it.
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Yeah, everybody is there and, best I can tell, contributing in some capacity or the other. As for whether the new album will be "typical DT" vs. different/experimental, I would assume it would be more toward the former. I mean, DT like to throw in elements that are different/experimental on EVERY album. Sometimes it is overt, and sometimes it is subtle. But it is always there and part of their style. But I think this will be more "traditional" in terms of being what we are used to from the band. I could be wrong, but I think that after going so far out on a limb with the last album, they may be likely to give us more of what the fan base would typically expect in a DT album before venturing too far from the path again. But that is mostly just guesswork in my part, so take it for what it's worth.
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For me The Astonishing is both experimental and typical DT- It's DT doing a rock opera, you recognize all their trademarks, it's not that while listening to the album one thinks "OMG what the hell is this I can't even recognize the band if it wasn't for James singing".
But I surely would not insist that The Astonishing is your typical DT album. Still, for me it's 110% DT.
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It may be me being a silly eccentric fool or allergic to conventional wisdom, but isn't "typical DT" synonimous with "different/experimental"?
In the last 25 years every album caught me pleasantly by surprise.
Anyway, I'm the buffoon believing The Astonishing is DT's perfect album and rock opera their perfect dimension, so do treat my opinion as you see fit.
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Yeah, everybody is there and, best I can tell, contributing in some capacity or the other. As for whether the new album will be "typical DT" vs. different/experimental, I would assume it would be more toward the former. I mean, DT like to throw in elements that are different/experimental on EVERY album. Sometimes it is overt, and sometimes it is subtle. But it is always there and part of their style. But I think this will be more "traditional" in terms of being what we are used to from the band. I could be wrong, but I think that after going so far out on a limb with the last album, they may be likely to give us more of what the fan base would typically expect in a DT album before venturing too far from the path again. But that is mostly just guesswork in my part, so take it for what it's worth.
Sounds good to Herrick.
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DT just made us participate in a Spotify-playlist contest and asked us to title our entries as We Are: Dream Theater.
Jordan posted a video using his keys to jokingly play We Are: Dream Theater using the EWQL Symphonic Choirs app.
Is We Are: Dream Theater the title of the new album? :lol
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DT just made us participate in a Spotify-playlist contest and asked us to title our entries as We Are: Dream Theater.
Jordan posted a video using his keys to jokingly play We Are: Dream Theater using the EWQL Symphonic Choirs app.
Is We Are: Dream Theater the title of the new album? :lol
And then went to 5 Guys to celebrate. :lol
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I am looking forward to this coming Wednesday's video. It promises to be especially special.
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I love when you tease us!
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That's what
she kingshmegland said.
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Giggity.
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What I like about the social media posts of DT so far for this album?
Nobody's hogging the spotlight.
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It's great that the band are tuned into the forum, but I hope they ignore it when making their album. I want to hear the music that those 5 guys are passionate about making, not anything too "focus grouped" i.e., what they think the "fans" want to hear based on what a small online community thinks.
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What I like about the social media posts of DT so far for this album?
Nobody's hogging the spotlight.
And they are highlighting their excitement, working together, talking about the music and their creative process...
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It's great that the band are tuned into the forum, but I hope they ignore it when making their album. I want to hear the music that those 5 guys are passionate about making, not anything too "focus grouped" i.e., what they think the "fans" want to hear based on what a small online community thinks.
14 albums in, I think they'll be alright.
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I am looking forward to this coming Wednesday's video. It promises to be especially special.
Another Bosk tease... something good is going to happen :hefdaddy
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James is with them right now for the writing process (he posted a couple pics + appeared on the video with JP). They haven't said anything about the recording, though, but considering they're not writing in the studio this time and that he recorded vocals in Canada for ADTOE and TA, my bet is he'll record there as well this time.
That's interesting. I always thought he came in later after everything was written.
AFAIK, he did exactly that up until SDoIT.. From ToT onwards he's been there with the rest of the guys throughout the writing process..
The band themselves encouraged him to do that.. Otherwise... well, I'd think most here already know that story..
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Are they recording the new album in The Netherlands? I'm asking because of the "Five guys in Netherlands" picture :D Sorry if someone already asked this question!
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what? netherlands???
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Yeah they posted a picture of them being in a "five guys" restaurant in the Netherlands yesterday. I have no idea though wether it has anything to do with where they are at this moment or if it was a old picture or anything. Just curious actually.
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There's a Five Guys in the Netherlands? We're talking about the burger place right?
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Where did the netherlands come from? I'm looking at the facebook post and does not say Netherlands. Also, the signs inside are all in english not dutch in the five guys. Not sure if Five Guys is international either, it could be though.
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Yeah, I have no idea what the Netherlands has to do with any of this. ???
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My bad then guys. Sorry :blush. The facebook post litteraly says : " Four guys at Five guys Netherlands" for me. But it must be facebook recognizing that i am from the Netherlands and turning "five guys" into "fiveguysNetherlands" then i guess. Haha sorry for all the confusion people.
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My bad then guys. Sorry :blush. The facebook post litteraly says : " Four guys at Five guys Netherlands" for me. But it must be facebook recognizing that i am from the Netherlands and turning "five guys" into "fiveguysNetherlands" then i guess. Sorry for all the confusion people!
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AFAIK, he did exactly that up until SDoIT.. From ToT onwards he's been there with the rest of the guys throughout the writing process..
The band themselves encouraged him to do that.. Otherwise... well, I'd think most here already know that story..
Which story?
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Where did the netherlands come from? I'm looking at the facebook post and does not say Netherlands. Also, the signs inside are all in english not dutch in the five guys. Not sure if Five Guys is international either, it could be though.
Ok, so I know we're not supposed to speculate where they're at but that Five Guys looks identical to one in Spokane, Washington.
I think they might be in Spokane.
...or Rockford, Illinois.
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changing countries with VPN changes the FiveGuys location on FB. And yes, there's one in The Netherlands now since about 2months ago.
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Where did the netherlands come from?
From the bottom of the ocean, where they eventually rose up with tectonic changes and then man artificially created in some parts more lands.
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I do believe that DT only twice has recorded an album outside of NY; WDADU was recorded in PA and Awake in LA. Just sayin...
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I love people on Facebook trying to guess which Five Guys they were at... Every Five Guys looks almost exactly the same on the inside :lol
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So they didn't take an international flight for some five guys?!
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So they didn't take an international flight for some five guys?!
For pancakes maybe.
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DT just made us participate in a Spotify-playlist contest and asked us to title our entries as We Are: Dream Theater.
Jordan posted a video using his keys to jokingly play We Are: Dream Theater using the EWQL Symphonic Choirs app.
Is We Are: Dream Theater the title of the new album? :lol
I hope not lol
I hope the new album has a standard DT album title. We haven't had one since 2011
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Mangini is really cooking at today's session.
https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155378660692181/
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Magic Mike's Wings are looking yummy
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Looks like they're having fun and enjoying the time they have. All of them together, enjoying a a bbq. And just having fun. Which in turn creates good music.
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Mangini is really cooking at today's session.
https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155378660692181/
His tongs crossover barbecue paradiddles is second to none.
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Mangini is really cooking at today's session.
https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155378660692181/
His tongs crossover barbecue paradiddles is second to none.
He cooks in 19/16, you can really feel the subdivisions :lol
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Its all 16th over 32nd paradiddles.
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Mike Mangini's Concert Cannon Barbecue Sauce.
You've got to reach for it!
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Mike Mangini's Concert Cannon Barbecue Sauce.
You've got to reach for it!
The special sauce is....
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AFAIK, he did exactly that up until SDoIT.. From ToT onwards he's been there with the rest of the guys throughout the writing process..
The band themselves encouraged him to do that.. Otherwise... well, I'd think most here already know that story..
Which story?
When they (mainly MP) started to question if James was still the right singer for the band.. They had a big sit-down with him, which was almost like a shape-up or ship-out kind of meeting.. Of course JLB listened to theirs demands and since then he improved in almost all the aspects that he could (stage presence, vocal training, being a part of the writing process and stop crediting himself as a songwriter when he never was)..
I hope the new album has a standard DT album title. We haven't had one since 2011
... and a good one since 2007.. ;D
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Jordan also made a comment about a song inspired by Yes and Rush vibes, and they posted a blank "Song 8" annotation sheet. They already wrote seven songs and getting ready for the eight? :o
Anyway, I love how without really spoiling the actual music they keep us involved and more than that, it looks like they're all together, James included, having a good time. Who knows if the other guys pressed for it, or JP and JR themselves realized that this time around it had to be a team effort and wanted and insisted for everyone to be there all together.
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Cue countdown until someone has interpreted this image
https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/photos/a.10152286380427181.1073741827.7677942180/10155379304077181/?type=3&theater
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8 songs in ten days?! :omg: It's crazy how, after 13 albums, they can still create music so easily...
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https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/photos/a.10152286380427181.1073741827.7677942180/10155379304077181/?type=3&theater
(https://serving.photos.photobox.com/08028043a5007168405fb5a847e1b3c7d96795dd71cf752f77fa19f92a6bdd6776c40a73.jpg)
"Behind the [SOMETHING]"
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Cue countdown until someone has interpreted this image
https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/photos/a.10152286380427181.1073741827.7677942180/10155379304077181/?type=3&theater
(https://serving.photos.photobox.com/08028043a5007168405fb5a847e1b3c7d96795dd71cf752f77fa19f92a6bdd6776c40a73.jpg)
"Behind the [SOMETHING]"
Behind the Veil pt.II :omg:
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Looks like "The Light Before the Dark" to me.
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Looks like "The Light Before the Dark" to me.
Now that would be a kickass title!!! :metal
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I'm seeing The Light Before the Cigar. :lol
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Looks like "The Light Before the Dark" to me.
If this is the title I imagine a song that starts acoustic and then progressively becomes ANTR. ;D
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I'm thinking it's an intro piece, like WFS... leading to a heavy song.
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BTW It's nice to hear that they already wrote seven songs. It seems they are very inspired. We'll wait tomorrow to hear answers from the Facebook Q&A
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8 songs in ten days?! :omg: It's crazy how, after 13 albums, they can still create music so easily...
Looks like 3 days for a song as on the sheet I desiphered 6/23-25/2018
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Looks like "The Light Before the Dark" to me.
I think you might be right :o
But I'm still kind of seeing "Beh---" instead of "Bef---" so it might end up being "The Light Behind The Dark"
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Oh, they tease us hard this time again!
B.Lee
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Looks like "The Light Before the Dark" to me.
I think you might be right :o
But I'm still kind of seeing "Beh---" instead of "Bef---" so it might end up being "The Light Behind The Dark"
That actually makes more sense. Illumination Theory pt. II.
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https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/photos/a.10152286380427181.1073741827.7677942180/10155379304077181/?type=3&theater
Ah...the CSI filter makes its presence.
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I saw this on facebook and was like “Song 8 already? Man, these guys are amazing! Too bad this is only a blank page with no other clues in it”. Then I come to DTF and people have already figured out half of the song title (or working title) for song 7 and are guessing how heavy it is :rollin
We should’ve already changed DTF name to “Enigma Machine” ;D
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8 songs in ten days?! :omg: It's crazy how, after 13 albums, they can still create music so easily...
I was really hoping that spending so much time together in the cabin, they would be able to write so easily that they'd make too many songs, that they'd need to trim the fat and eventually we'd get some b-sides on top of a stellar album.
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Sounds like if it's 8 songs, there's inevitably going to be some mindless wankery and sections that overstay their welcome. Wonderful. Oh well.
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Sounds like if it's 8 songs, there's inevitably going to be some mindless wankery and sections that overstay their welcome. Wonderful. Oh well.
Good... that's Dream Theater!
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Sounds like if it's 8 songs, there's inevitably going to be some mindless wankery and sections that overstay their welcome. Wonderful. Oh well.
Well, it's 8 songs SO FAR :metal
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Sounds like if it's 8 songs, there's inevitably going to be some mindless wankery and sections that overstay their welcome. Wonderful. Oh well.
Good... that's Dream Theater!
^This, absolutely. :lol
And not to pick on you, but since we have heard absolutely zero percent of the album, presuming to know what it will be like is really pointless and silly.
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Sounds like if it's 8 songs, there's inevitably going to be some mindless wankery and sections that overstay their welcome. Wonderful. Oh well.
Good... that's Dream Theater!
^This, absolutely. :lol
And not to pick on you, but since we have heard absolutely zero percent of the album, presuming to know what it will be like is really pointless and silly.
Man, bosk :) I know you think I like to insult this band that I'm a massive fan of, I said that because they've been doing this long enough and have released enough albums exactly in that vein to give me that impression. I'm still buying it on day one, I'm still going to give it a fair listen, I'm still a huge fan, but I really don't think it's that farfetched to make that prediction. I am hoping, crossing my fingers, that they're playing to their strengths here, but there's a reason I haven't listened to Outcry, Lost Not Forgotten, etc. in a number of years - the mindless shredding :) I am just praying this album is more like some tracks on The Astonishing to me and not the self-titled or the low points of ADTOE. How many more albums do they have in them? I just want the best possible stuff. And now I'll shut up for everyone's sake. You're welcome. :biggrin:
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Another album in vein of ADTOE would possibly be their best stuff possible. I have no doubt they are doing their best here.
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For me the "worst" wankery was left behind with SC / Black Clouds. I won't say that the Outcry solo section isn't outrageous, but it kinda works and somehow stays within the mood of the song. Same for Breaking All Illusions, it's really captivating. They've left behind the copy and paste solo sections, which was basically the only thing I ever disliked about them, and I'm confident the new songs will be cohesive and that the solo sections even if long won't completely derail the mood of the song.
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For me the "worst" wankery was left behind with SC / Black Clouds. I won't say that the Outcry solo section isn't outrageous, but it kinda works and somehow stays within the mood of the song. Same for Breaking All Illusions, it's really captivating. They've left behind the copy and paste solo sections, which was basically the only thing I ever disliked about them, and I'm confident the new songs will be cohesive and that the solo sections even if long won't completely derail the mood of the song.
But the "wankery" on TMOLS is one of their best.....maybe this goes in the controversial thread....
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That is possibly, my opinion of course, the worst wanking example EVER of DT :lol "Hey, listen to this slow and melanchonic song about drowning and giving one's life in sacrificHEY HOW ABOUT SOME LTE FOR 5 MINUTES".
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That is possibly, my opinion of course, the worst wanking example EVER of DT :lol "Hey, listen to this slow and melanchonic song about drowning and giving one's life in sacrificHEY HOW ABOUT SOME LTE FOR 5 MINUTES".
It's cool, to each his own. But to further the controversial love of TMOLS, I wish the outro was LONGER.
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For me, I just find that instrumental part to be the best part of the song, but it doesn't really fit.
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For me the "worst" wankery was left behind with SC / Black Clouds. I won't say that the Outcry solo section isn't outrageous, but it kinda works and somehow stays within the mood of the song. Same for Breaking All Illusions, it's really captivating. They've left behind the copy and paste solo sections, which was basically the only thing I ever disliked about them, and I'm confident the new songs will be cohesive and that the solo sections even if long won't completely derail the mood of the song.
But the "wankery" on TMOLS is one of their best.....maybe this goes in the controversial thread....
I agree with both your post and the one you quoted. Responding further just to say that I find it interesting that you mention that section in TMOLS. I make it no secret that I REALLY dislike that song. But interestingly, the one part of the song I really do like is the instrumental section. It could have been really awesome as part of a song that I liked better.
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New video update from Mike Mangini https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155380122157181/
We knew this already, but he confirms he's writing music with them and by himself :metal
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Mangini just posted a video and this made me smile.
"Many of the mornings I've written songs..."
:metal
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The fact that these writing session updates are all I could hope for but never expected makes them all the more cool! :tup :tup
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New video update from Mike Mangini https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155380122157181/
We knew this already, but he confirms he's writing music with them and by himself :metal
Exactly. THAT is what I know many people wanted to hear, hence my post about looking forward to today's video. I hope this makes a lot of people happy. :)
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I’m cautiously optimistic for the new album. I’m okay with heavy, as long as it comes across naturally, and not too forced sounding.
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I wonder if the 7 songs they have are complete, or if they’re just working on bits of each one. If they’re complete, then damn! They’re on a roll for sure!!
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If you don’t like a bit of self indulgent wankery, are you even a fan of Dream Theater? It’s part of their DNA, the unspoken 6th pillar of DT.
Got to say am getting super excited already, it’s great to hear from them in the studio. I listen to lots of music but no other band gets me this excited for a new release. I usually take the day off work when a new DT album comes out as I’m so desperate to hear it.
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If you don’t like a bit of self indulgent wankery, are you even a fan of Dream Theater? It’s part of their DNA, the unspoken 6th pillar of DT.
Got to say am getting super excited already, it’s great to hear from them in the studio. I listen to lots of music but no other band gets me this excited for a new release. I usually take the day off work when a new DT album comes out as I’m so desperate to hear it.
Brilliant strategy sir.
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Dragonforce is one of my all-time favorite bands, I love self-indulgent wankery. Just not always, or when it comes out of nowhere like that run in Lost Not Forgotten early on. Some like it, but I don't - all that is ok :biggrin: If there's wankery, I love some melodic licks thrown in there amongst the wankery, like in the Best of Times solo when it really starts to heat up, oh man, that is the good stuff right there. Or that fast part of the solo in ITNOG. Makes me break a sweat just watching JP play that. I wonder if he'll do something that insane this time around :metal
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New video update from Mike Mangini https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155380122157181/
We knew this already, but he confirms he's writing music with them and by himself :metal
Now, THAT is cool! Rock on, guys! :metal
B.Lee
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New video update from Mike Mangini https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155380122157181/
We knew this already, but he confirms he's writing music with them and by himself :metal
Awesome update!
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Awesome!!
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I was really hoping that spending so much time together in the cabin, they would be able to write so easily that they'd make too many songs, that they'd need to trim the fat and eventually we'd get some b-sides on top of a stellar album.
Perhaps with them writing in a rehearsal space, this will happen. But then again, I wouldn't expect it. Even when they wrote ToT, there was nothing extra that was recorded. Since FII, they have always just written enough for an album, and in a way, I understand, because otherwise there's a lot of extra time (and therefore money) spent in the recording studio for those extra songs.
Still, I do hope that there will be extras recorded for this album - maybe at least a few cover songs like they did for BCaSL. Or another thought would be to do alternate (and not just acoustic) versions of some of the songs, like they did with the piano version of Wither. Given the fact that they're now on Inside Out, maybe we'll see a deluxe version of the album and/or some B-sides. But I won't get my hopes up.
I wonder if the 7 songs they have are complete, or if they’re just working on bits of each one. If they’re complete, then damn! They’re on a roll for sure!!
If it's same as the way they wrote when MP was in the band (which I believe is the case), then I would say that there are 7 songs they've completed already. Generally they would come up with different song ideas (sometimes out of jam sessions), which may or may not work with the song they are focusing on at the moment. If the part doesn't work for that song or any others, it gets set aside to perhaps be used later. In fact, there are tons of ideas that they come up with that never find a home (used in a song) that we never hear. Every great once in a while, an idea might even be resurrected from an earlier writing session if remembered, such as one of the riffs in TGP (starting at 1:44) which was written during the FII sessions, and most of (if not all of) IWBY which was written during the ToT sessions but discarded due to the fact that it didn't fit the heavy/dark feel they were going with for ToT.
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AFAIK, he did exactly that up until SDoIT.. From ToT onwards he's been there with the rest of the guys throughout the writing process..
The band themselves encouraged him to do that.. Otherwise... well, I'd think most here already know that story..
Which story?
When they (mainly MP) started to question if James was still the right singer for the band.. They had a big sit-down with him, which was almost like a shape-up or ship-out kind of meeting.. Of course JLB listened to theirs demands and since then he improved in almost all the aspects that he could (stage presence, vocal training, being a part of the writing process and stop crediting himself as a songwriter when he never was)..
LaBrie was taking credit for song writing?
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New video update from Mike Mangini https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155380122157181/
We knew this already, but he confirms he's writing music with them and by himself :metal
Exactly. THAT is what I know many people wanted to hear, hence my post about looking forward to today's video. I hope this makes a lot of people happy. :)
But the question is: is MM writing on his own to a solo work or to DT14 as a main composer for one or more songs? If it's the second option, SUPERB
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New video update from Mike Mangini https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155380122157181/
We knew this already, but he confirms he's writing music with them and by himself :metal
Exactly. THAT is what I know many people wanted to hear, hence my post about looking forward to today's video. I hope this makes a lot of people happy. :)
But the question is: is MM writing on his own to a solo work or to DT14 as a main composer for one or more songs? If it's the second option, SUPERB
Probably the second..
:metal
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Hey Guys and Gals... I know it's been quite a while. Been on an off phase with DT music for a while. I get that way in between releases sometimes. anyway... I saw what I would guess to be their first or second video with JP giving us the studio tour, and I was immensely surprised that Mangini is recording a DT album on a single bass drum kit. I know he's got a double bass pedal (and probably 5 or 6 more pedals besides.) Recording on a single bass kit makes sense I suppose, based on the size of the studio.
On another note... I really want to try Mangini's BBQ wings. They look absolutely delicious!
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Hey Guys and Gals... I know it's been quite a while. Been on an off phase with DT music for a while. I get that way in between releases sometimes. anyway... I saw what I would guess to be their first or second video with JP giving us the studio tour, and I was immensely surprised that Mangini is recording a DT album on a single bass drum kit. I know he's got a double bass pedal (and probably 5 or 6 more pedals besides.) Recording on a single bass kit makes sense I suppose, based on the size of the studio.
On another note... I really want to try Mangini's BBQ wings. They look absolutely delicious!
They are writing and recording demos... the real recording will happen later.
At least that is how I have understood it.
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They're not recording yet. It's just the writing phase. When they're done writing, they will move to a proper recording studio and record the album.
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Sounds like if it's 8 songs, there's inevitably going to be some mindless wankery and sections that overstay their welcome. Wonderful. Oh well.
Good... that's Dream Theater!
^This, absolutely. :lol
And not to pick on you, but since we have heard absolutely zero percent of the album, presuming to know what it will be like is really pointless and silly.
I love how people say difficult wankery is “mindless” but boring stuff in stock 4/4 is the stuff of brilliance :rollin
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If you don’t like a bit of self indulgent wankery, are you even a fan of Dream Theater? It’s part of their DNA, the unspoken 6th pillar of DT.
Dragonforce is one of my all-time favorite bands, I love self-indulgent wankery. Just not always, or when it comes out of nowhere like that run in Lost Not Forgotten early on. Some like it, but I don't - all that is ok :biggrin: If there's wankery, I love some melodic licks thrown in there amongst the wankery, like in the Best of Times solo when it really starts to heat up, oh man, that is the good stuff right there. Or that fast part of the solo in ITNOG. Makes me break a sweat just watching JP play that. I wonder if he'll do something that insane this time around :metal
I think everyone has a line. On one side, the "wankery" is self-indulgent; on the other side, it's awesome. My example of where DT crossed the line was at the beginning of In the Presence of Enemies. I distinctly remember listening to the intro and really liking it, and then they went into that "Flight of the Bumblebee" section, and it all came crashing down. For a lot of folks, on the other hand (although I doubt any are actually DT fans), the instrumental section in Metropolis might be considered self-indulgent wankery.
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Remember when some said the band never gives us as much as Portnoy used to. In just the last few weeks, they have blown that theory to smithereens. I don't remember fans ever getting this many updates on the fly during the making of a DT record. :tup :tup
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^^ Instead, now you're probably going to get some people posting "They are posting too much about the writing process. Where's the mystic? I like it in the old days where I don't hear any news about the band and I go to the record store, one day, and there's the album" and blah blah blah nostalgic speil.
For what it is worth, I do like it that they are keeping us updated on the album process after keeping us in the dark (rightfully so, given this big production undertaking) regarding The Astonishing (please, don't respond and quote this post about how they should keep us further in the dark and not release The Astonishing in the first place).
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Sounds like if it's 8 songs, there's inevitably going to be some mindless wankery and sections that overstay their welcome. Wonderful. Oh well.
Good... that's Dream Theater!
^This, absolutely. :lol
And not to pick on you, but since we have heard absolutely zero percent of the album, presuming to know what it will be like is really pointless and silly.
I love how people say difficult wankery is “mindless” but boring stuff in stock 4/4 is the stuff of brilliance :rollin
It can be. Complexity and a shitload of notes means nothing on its own. What you wrote is emblematic of the prog fan stereotype. Complexity good, 4/4 plebian!
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Sometimes I want to wank, and sometimes I want to grind.
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Sometimes I want to wank, and sometimes I want to grind.
I mean... What are we supposed to do with that?
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Sometimes I want to wank, and sometimes I want to grind.
I mean... What are we supposed to do with that?
Also, I would never cab to a debate.
Mass debater?
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:lol
Totally!
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Remember when some said the band never gives us as much as Portnoy used to. In just the last few weeks, they have blown that theory to smithereens. I don't remember fans ever getting this many updates on the fly during the making of a DT record. :tup :tup
Yeah, but it took them 4 albums before they finally came around to doing it. I think the theory was proven. Glad they've finally made the change and are starting to give us what we've been missing for several years.
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You know what makes me happy?
They seem very excited for this new album.
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Remember when some said the band never gives us as much as Portnoy used to. In just the last few weeks, they have blown that theory to smithereens. I don't remember fans ever getting this many updates on the fly during the making of a DT record. :tup :tup
Yeah, but it took them 4 albums before they finally came around to doing it. I think the theory was proven. Glad they've finally made the change and are starting to give us what we've been missing for several years.
:lol :lol
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Sounds like if it's 8 songs, there's inevitably going to be some mindless wankery and sections that overstay their welcome. Wonderful. Oh well.
Good... that's Dream Theater!
^This, absolutely. :lol
And not to pick on you, but since we have heard absolutely zero percent of the album, presuming to know what it will be like is really pointless and silly.
I love how people say difficult wankery is “mindless” but boring stuff in stock 4/4 is the stuff of brilliance :rollin
It can be. Complexity and a shitload of notes means nothing on its own. What you wrote is emblematic of the prog fan stereotype. Complexity good, 4/4 plebian!
My issue is with the word “mindless”. I think it more often applies to bands who play the same 3 chords and drum beats every song, which is pretty much the definition of mindless. Coming up with intricate or complicated passages that challenges yourself and the listener requires a lot more mind. Not to mention there might be wankery in 1 or 2 songs on the album but people act like it comprises the entire album ::)
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Sounds like if it's 8 songs, there's inevitably going to be some mindless wankery and sections that overstay their welcome. Wonderful. Oh well.
Good... that's Dream Theater!
^This, absolutely. :lol
And not to pick on you, but since we have heard absolutely zero percent of the album, presuming to know what it will be like is really pointless and silly.
I love how people say difficult wankery is “mindless” but boring stuff in stock 4/4 is the stuff of brilliance :rollin
It can be. Complexity and a shitload of notes means nothing on its own. What you wrote is emblematic of the prog fan stereotype. Complexity good, 4/4 plebian!
My issue is with the word “mindless”. I think it more often applies to bands who play the same 3 chords and drum beats every song, which is pretty much the definition of mindless. Coming up with intricate or complicated passages that challenges yourself and the listener requires a lot more mind. Not to mention there might be wankery in 1 or 2 songs on the album but people act like it comprises the entire album ::)
I think you're both silly. Of course there are some great songs in 4/4 and also boring stuff. There's incredible songs that are complex and feature shredding, and boring songs too. And which is good vs boring is up to the listener. :P
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I think you're both silly. Of course there are some great songs in 4/4 ...
The first thing that comes to my mind is the verse riff for Home. Simple and basic but I love it.
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Yeah, but it took them 4 albums before they finally came around to doing it. I think the theory was proven. Glad they've finally made the change and are starting to give us what we've been missing for several years.
To be fair, two of those albums were wrapped in secrecy due to circumstances. Adtoe because dt hadn't announced the new drummer yet, and ta because of the whole concept thing. And we got some cool EPK videos from the ADTOE and DT12 sessions. DT12 also had the fan listening parties in a lot of cities. Plus chocolate cake. TA had a completely different leadup to it with the concept reveal.
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I love how people say difficult wankery is “mindless” but boring stuff in stock 4/4 is the stuff of brilliance :rollin
This is so true that it was right in front of my face the whole time. Mind. Blown.
r/Showerthoughts
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One thing that I want to throw out there is that beside the music, I hope the change to Inside Out will bring a new approach also to the actual booklet and packaging.
A Dramatic Turn of Events was just fine, it was the standard case, no big deal.
Dream Theater, at least in my stores, came with the digipack version, two discs included, AND the booklet glued to the case. You wanna go through the booklet? get the whole package.
Then came The Astonishing: once again the booklet is glued to the package, and on top of that, on the inlay there are white credits on a basically white backgrounds, and the lyrics are written in small and generic Arial (or something very similar) font. Why lord why? with such a gorgeous album a little part of the pleasure is also to take off the booklet, read the lyrics as you listen to the songs, even just read the lyrics period for a quick trip down memory lane (am I the only one that occasionally takes off the booklet of an album to go through it and just have a general memory of what the album is like going quickly through the lyrics?).
I basically never, ever read The Astonishing lyrics holding the actual CD package, which I actually bought of course, in my hands. I've bought something and the label packaged it in a way that made me lose interest in actually holding it in my hands, and considering how I ripped the music on my computer, I guess I can safely say that I barely ever touched the CD (which, again, I actually bought). The only interaction I had with the physical copy was whenever I was listening to it in my car (old car, no mp3 player), otherwise, it was always mp3 player or PC speakers AND the lyrics off the internet.
I hope the next album will be something good to look at and to hold in your hands, and with a free booklet.
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You know what makes me happy?
They seem very excited for this new album.
Did they ever seem not very excited for any past album?
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Then came The Astonishing: once again the booklet is glued to the package, and on top of that, on the inlay there are write credits on a basically white backgrounds, and the lyrics are written in small and generic Arial (or something very similar) font. Why lord why? with such a gorgeous album a little part of the pleasure is also to take off the booklet, read the lyrics as you listen to the songs, even just read the lyrics period for a quick trip down memory lane (am I the only one that occasionally takes off the booklet of an album to go through it and just have a general memory of what the album is like going quickly through the lyrics?).
This. If any album needed a good booklet it was TA, but it just didn't. ADToE and DT12 have a way better overall presentation. At least Hugh Syme had unique artwork for each song.
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Remember when some said the band never gives us as much as Portnoy used to. In just the last few weeks, they have blown that theory to smithereens. I don't remember fans ever getting this many updates on the fly during the making of a DT record. :tup :tup
Yeah, but it took them 4 albums before they finally came around to doing it. I think the theory was proven. Glad they've finally made the change and are starting to give us what we've been missing for several years.
:lol :lol
:lol Indeed.
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I would like a deluxe package to also come in jewel case form or something a little less fragile than the cardboard digipaks or whatever they're called. Every album I have back to Systematic Chaos has an extremely beat-up case because of the material used. Even DT12, which I never listen to, is rough on the edges.
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Yeah, but it took them 4 albums before they finally came around to doing it. I think the theory was proven. Glad they've finally made the change and are starting to give us what we've been missing for several years.
To be fair, two of those albums were wrapped in secrecy due to circumstances. Adtoe because dt hadn't announced the new drummer yet, and ta because of the whole concept thing. And we got some cool EPK videos from the ADTOE and DT12 sessions. DT12 also had the fan listening parties in a lot of cities. Plus chocolate cake. TA had a completely different leadup to it with the concept reveal.
This. And three LONG drummer audition videos. And a FREE live Christmas album (not song or short video clip). And live DVD that featured an orchestra conducted by a fan. And, because the fans wanted it, a modification to the TA tour set to include a few fan favorites. And, because the fans wanted it, a full "Images and Words and Beyond" tour, with the "beyond" featuring songs that were specifically chosen as fan favorites. But we're somehow only just now, four albums in, getting the level of fan service Mike Portnoy provided? Sorry, Scott. But I have to disagree with that one. I will acknowledge that it is different than when Mike was in the band. And the quantity of "extra" fan service might not quite be the same. But they absolutely have been giving us some pretty cool extra stuff, and have been doing it pretty consistently.
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Yeah, but it took them 4 albums before they finally came around to doing it. I think the theory was proven. Glad they've finally made the change and are starting to give us what we've been missing for several years.
To be fair, two of those albums were wrapped in secrecy due to circumstances. Adtoe because dt hadn't announced the new drummer yet, and ta because of the whole concept thing. And we got some cool EPK videos from the ADTOE and DT12 sessions. DT12 also had the fan listening parties in a lot of cities. Plus chocolate cake. TA had a completely different leadup to it with the concept reveal.
This. And three LONG drummer audition videos. And a FREE live Christmas album (not song or short video clip). And live DVD that featured an orchestra conducted by a fan. And, because the fans wanted it, a modification to the TA tour set to include a few fan favorites. And, because the fans wanted it, a full "Images and Words and Beyond" tour, with the "beyond" featuring songs that were specifically chosen as fan favorites. But we're somehow only just now, four albums in, getting the level of fan service Mike Portnoy provided? Sorry, Scott. But I have to disagree with that one. I will acknowledge that it is different than when Mike was in the band. And the quantity of "extra" fan service might not quite be the same. But they absolutely have been giving us some pretty cool extra stuff, and have been doing it pretty consistently.
I agree with this. I think it's just a case of the bandmembers doing all of those extra things without broadcasting it, instead of MP doing all of those extra things while telling you all about the fact that he's doing those things.
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Yeah, but it took them 4 albums before they finally came around to doing it. I think the theory was proven. Glad they've finally made the change and are starting to give us what we've been missing for several years.
To be fair, two of those albums were wrapped in secrecy due to circumstances. Adtoe because dt hadn't announced the new drummer yet, and ta because of the whole concept thing. And we got some cool EPK videos from the ADTOE and DT12 sessions. DT12 also had the fan listening parties in a lot of cities. Plus chocolate cake. TA had a completely different leadup to it with the concept reveal.
This. And three LONG drummer audition videos. And a FREE live Christmas album (not song or short video clip). And live DVD that featured an orchestra conducted by a fan. And, because the fans wanted it, a modification to the TA tour set to include a few fan favorites. And, because the fans wanted it, a full "Images and Words and Beyond" tour, with the "beyond" featuring songs that were specifically chosen as fan favorites. But we're somehow only just now, four albums in, getting the level of fan service Mike Portnoy provided? Sorry, Scott. But I have to disagree with that one. I will acknowledge that it is different than when Mike was in the band. And the quantity of "extra" fan service might not quite be the same. But they absolutely have been giving us some pretty cool extra stuff, and have been doing it pretty consistently.
I agree with this. I think it's just a case of the bandmembers doing all of those extra things without broadcasting it, instead of MP doing all of those extra things while telling you all about the fact that he's doing those things.
Well yeah, that certainly has a lot to do with it.
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Anyone knows if The Facebook's Live Q&A should be starting by now?
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It begins!
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Any chance this will be recorded and available for those of us who don’t do the Facebook?
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Working title "Can of Worms" :metal
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Also Mangini giving some lyric ideas, I’ve heard this right?! If so, very cool…
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It's fine they're doing this but I do prefer the more "behind the Scenes" vibe that MP would do.
The drummer audition, the Luna Park Behind the Scenes, these vids, all have somewhat of a conscientious-if-not-scripted feel to them. It's not better or worse than the old way they did it, just different.
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Ha, JMX looks soooo uncomfortable.
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I was only able to catch the last few minutes of that. Any interesting info in the video?
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One piece of interesting info was that they also decided to track the music in that space, i.e. they will not move to another studio for tracking. Apparently that was decided minutes before the live stream.
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New album out earlier next year.
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Video available here https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155382393742181/
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Yes, I understood that also (about the recording studio). I hope they can get a very good quality recording there.
This live chat was very cool to see the vibe within the band, but there wasn't a lot of information on the new album. Since they choose the questions, I imagine they don't want to give too much information for now. Of course, maybe some information that were asked they probably still don't know yet at this point.
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for most of the instruments you really don't need much of a studio to record. guitars and basses are probably done in boxed up amps, keyboards are put right into the daw, and then you're just left with vocals and drums...
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BTW, was the 175 guitars thing a joke, or is that for real?
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Well they kinda did acknowledge the drums needed a different type mix to be able to hear them better. And it seems they are going for a less processed more organic sound.
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One piece of interesting info was that they also decided to track the music in that space, i.e. they will not move to another studio for tracking. Apparently that was decided minutes before the live stream.
Wow, that's surprising. Drums might be a challenge, but everything else should be pretty straightforward.
Curious as to who will be engineering the record. That studio they are in now doesn't seem to have much outboard gear, so I assume they will be bringing in someone who works primarily in the box.
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I've only watched the first 18 minutes so far.
Interesting stuff. I'll be interested to hear the idea that MM "researched" and brought to the band. Sounded like whatever title he suggested will be the final title for the song.
Myung eats a lot of chicken and looked like he'd rather be anywhere else.
"Can of Worms" as a working title for one of the songs.
Allegedly, Myung "can speak for himself," all evidence to the contrary.
Many different tunings on JP's guitars (I assume the reference to 175 guitars was an exaggeration).
They mentioned an engineer's name at the same time they mentioned Matty (sp?), but I don't know if it's the same person who will be engineering the album.
I'd wager that a certain barbecue place will become a bit more popular than usual.
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One piece of interesting info was that they also decided to track the music in that space, i.e. they will not move to another studio for tracking. Apparently that was decided minutes before the live stream.
Wow, that's surprising. Drums might be a challenge, but everything else should be pretty straightforward.
Curious as to who will be engineering the record. That studio they are in now doesn't seem to have much outboard gear, so I assume they will be bringing in someone who works primarily in the box.
Recording there doesn't necessarily means they'll be mixing it there... So our hopes on Jens Bogren or Nolly are still up :biggrin:
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Really enjoyed the video. Many thanks to everyone who helped put it together!
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At some point, they were asked about the album title and James said something about a lyric he was writing... my english isn’t very good and I didn’t understand what was said next. It seemed that they were joking. Anyway, anyone caught what was said?
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I'm itchin to be bitchin is a great album title. Hahaha
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Sometimes I want to wank, and sometimes I want to grind.
I mean... What are we supposed to do with that?
Also, I would never cab to a debate.
Mass debater?
Tim needs help translating. His funny bone is broken.
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I really enjoyed the video, i feel a great vibe and they all seem really happy and excited. It's great to know that MM is contributing and he seems happy.
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I'm waiting patiently for the black metal album with a big marshmallow as the cover art.
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I'm itchin to be bitchin is a great album title. Hahaha
Thanks! :laugh: :tup
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I'm waiting patiently for the black metal album with a big marshmallow as the cover art.
It's a Tomato.
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Matty (sp?)
He spells it "Maddi." But his full name is Matthew, so... :dunno:
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One piece of interesting info was that they also decided to track the music in that space, i.e. they will not move to another studio for tracking. Apparently that was decided minutes before the live stream.
Wow, that's surprising. Drums might be a challenge, but everything else should be pretty straightforward.
Curious as to who will be engineering the record. That studio they are in now doesn't seem to have much outboard gear, so I assume they will be bringing in someone who works primarily in the box.
Recording there doesn't necessarily means they'll be mixing it there... So our hopes on Jens Bogren or Nolly are still up :biggrin:
Haha, I’m still holding out hope for Nolly!
Matty (sp?)
He spells it "Maddi." But his full name is Matthew, so... :dunno:
I love how JP brings Maddi everywhere. Clearly their relationship goes far beyond guitarist and tech. Does JP basically employ Maddi full time now?
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I’m happy they decided to track there cuz of the reasons JP gave. Wouldn’t wanna ruin a great thing!
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Just finished the Facebook video.
WOW, that was awesome. Seems it was only a few weeks ago where we were asking if there's be any interaction during the process. seems they've really blown it out of the water.
You know what makes me happy?
They seem very excited for this new album.
Did they ever seem not very excited for any past album?
Yeah Pax, I know it's a standard thing, but they really do seem excited about what they are doing. It truly feels genuine.
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It is really encouraging that they want the drums to be less buried in the mix and more natural. It was funny to see MM cheer.
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OK, I'm stoked. Mangini is writing and may be writing lyrics and has apparently come up with a song title and possibly a concept, James is in the midst of writing at least one song although he isn't sure if it will come to fruition, Myung may be writing as well, they are going for a bit more of a raw sound, they are recording in that space too (which is a surprise to everyone including James), the band dynamics may be possibly the best they've ever been or at least since Jordan first joined or possibly since the Images & Words days.
And they're also apparently releasing the album tomorrow!
I wish they were serious about the last part but early 2019 can't come soon enough. :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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OK, I'm stoked. Mangini is writing and may be writing lyrics and has apparently come up with a song title and possibly a concept, James is in the midst of writing at least one song although he isn't sure if it will come to fruition, Myung may be writing as well, they are going for a bit more of a raw sound, they are recording in that space too (which is a surprise to everyone including James), the band dynamics may be possibly the best they've ever been or at least since Jordan first joined or possibly since the Images & Words days.
And they're also apparently releasing the album tomorrow!
I wish they were serious about the last part but early 2019 can't come soon enough. :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
I'm as excited as you are! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
And, yeah, Mike might be writing lyrics for a song, that's awesome to hear! It looks like he's finally getting all the involvement he's wanted to have for all these years. Hopefully this puts to rest all theories of him not being happy with the band and that he was considering to leave after DT14. As for him coming up with a song name/concept, IIRC, this isn't the first time it's happened, as he said on an interview once that he suggested the "what are you willing to live/die for" theme for that section of Illumination Theory :tup
Btw, they answered one of my questions, even though it wasn't one of the big ones. I basically sent a fb comment with A LOT of questions, but the only one that made it to the video was if JM is going to use fretless bass on this album, on which we got a big maybe from him. Time will tell...
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It almost looks like they're at the same location that JP's camp is going to be at.
Also, Jordan mentioned that they had a cool jam where JP was trying out a new guitar model... the 8 string perhaps?? :D
Anyways, all I know is MM seems so excited and I'm pretty sure he wants to spill all the beans really bad. :lol
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Has James mentioned what he's actually doing there, and how he's taking part in the creative process?
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It almost looks like they're at the same location that JP's camp is going to be at.
JPs camp is on Long Island, glen cove. Thats near the studio where they recorded the last few albums. (Fun fact - thats where Ravenskill was situated on the Astonishing map).
This is not the studio they're at now. It's a (relatively) new place.
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I really enjoyed the video, i feel a great vibe and they all seem really happy and excited. It's great to know that MM is contributing and he seems happy.
I don't know if we watched different video but LaBrie and Myung seems pretty uncomfortable. We all know Myung is a silent guy but I don't know the reason why James seems so bored and quiet. All I see Mangini is extremely excited which is good and it's like (again) we see Petrucci and Rudess as main composers and the other guys contributing to some extend.
It's a cliche the band seems excited and hyped for the new record but I'm happy to see now they are all together from the beginning to end.
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I really enjoyed the video, i feel a great vibe and they all seem really happy and excited. It's great to know that MM is contributing and he seems happy.
I don't know if we watched different video but LaBrie and Myung seems pretty uncomfortable. We all know Myung is a silent guy but I don't know the reason why James seems so bored and quiet.
Bored and quiet? Do you mean laid back and chill? He was still cracking jokes and participating. Same ol James if you ask me
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OK, I'm stoked. Mangini is writing and may be writing lyrics and has apparently come up with a song title and possibly a concept
Is that Dirtbags? :rollin
I can't believe they put out an hour long QA like this. So cool. I'll have to watch it in bits at work, but so far it's really cool and been all great news about their creation process and plan for this album so far.
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Cool video. The biggest takeaway I got was the purpose for them recording there being they wanted the album to have a ‘live’ feel and be less ‘produced’. That’s pretty interesting. Can’t wait to hear it.
Judging from some of the comments made it sounded like this album may lean towards the heavy side? Did anyone else get that impression? There were several mentions of ‘gritty’ and ‘nasty’....especially directed towards Jordan.
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I really enjoyed the video, i feel a great vibe and they all seem really happy and excited. It's great to know that MM is contributing and he seems happy.
I don't know if we watched different video but LaBrie and Myung seems pretty uncomfortable. We all know Myung is a silent guy but I don't know the reason why James seems so bored and quiet.
Don't think James is bored. Quiet, yes, but I think all has to do with being tired as well. Just listen to the guys tell they work up to 11/12 hours a day, even more at times. Must be really demanding.
B.Lee
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My excitement is really picking up speed now... I am just 2.5 years into my discovery of DT. This is my first new album!! To say that I have been like a kid in a candy store with all of their music is an understatement. It wasn't until about 6 mos. ago, that I could actually listen to any other music. But, now with the excitement they have been generating since going to write, I find I am back to where I started :mehlin only wanting to listen to them... To add to my excitement yesterday, they answered my question on the FB Live post (how long in the studio each day and what do you do to chill out), Octavarium came on my shuffle of the Spotify playlist, and then Again on Pandora.. What!??
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My excitement is really picking up speed now... I am just 2.5 years into my discovery of DT. This is my first new album!! To say that I have been like a kid in a candy store with all of their music is an understatement. It wasn't until about 6 mos. ago, that I could actually listen to any other music. But, now with the excitement they have been generating since going to write, I find I am back to where I started :mehlin only wanting to listen to them... To add to my excitement yesterday, they answered my question on the FB Live post (how long in the studio each day and what do you do to chill out), Octavarium came on my shuffle of the Spotify playlist, and then Again on Pandora.. What!??
Hearing a first "new" album from a band you like is a pretty cool thing. My first "new" Dream Theater album was Systematic Chaos. I can remember how excited I was for it. I still get excited for new records but back then I could barely function I was so pumped. :lol
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My excitement is really picking up speed now... I am just 2.5 years into my discovery of DT. This is my first new album!! To say that I have been like a kid in a candy store with all of their music is an understatement. It wasn't until about 6 mos. ago, that I could actually listen to any other music. But, now with the excitement they have been generating since going to write, I find I am back to where I started :mehlin only wanting to listen to them... To add to my excitement yesterday, they answered my question on the FB Live post (how long in the studio each day and what do you do to chill out), Octavarium came on my shuffle of the Spotify playlist, and then Again on Pandora.. What!??
Hearing a first "new" album from a band you like is a pretty cool thing. My first "new" Dream Theater album was Systematic Chaos. I can remember how excited I was for it. I still get excited for new records but back then I could barely function I was so pumped. :lol
I'm with you. Technically Octavarium came out while I was a brand new fan but I was not aware of it at all until a couple months after it released. SC was the first one for which I was on the hype train, with the studio videos and fan participation and all that. Can't believe that was 11 years ago.
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My first new album as a fan was Scenes from a Memory. Hell of a start with the band :lol
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My first new album was Octavarium. Very proud of that too!
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First new album was Awake. Was excited to hear the follow-up to I&W.
B.Lee
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That Q&A was so much fun, great to watch on a long, rainy afternoon.
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My first new album was... Ehm... The Astonishing ;D
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i heard about dream theater when they were touring Scenes, but i was still listening to Liquid tension mostly then. So 6doit was my first new album after having heard scenes (was a bit tough to get into the vocals at first, coming from LTE)
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I became a DT fan around late 2009/early 2010 (SFAM was the first album I heard from them and loved it), so my first new album was ADTOE, and I was SO excited for it’s release. Pretty much love all the Mangini era albums and can’t wait for this one :metal
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My first "album" was the ACOS ep. First full album was FII. First album as "officially official fan club guy" was SDOIT.
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I guess I'm a bit odd in my DT fan history. My first album was I&W, so the first "new" album to be released after I became a fan was Awake. But I was a casual fan at that point and wasn't anticipating the next release. In fact, I didn't actually buy another DT album until 1999 when I bought SFAM. After that, I bought the back catalog and got caught up. So although I was a fan as early as 1992, the first album release I was really anticipating was SDOIT 10 years later.
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My first new album was SC and ever since I'm super hyped for every new release.
Besides, it's interesting to see where am I in my life with every release, when the astonishing came out I was just married.
Can't wait for this new album!
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I heard Pull Me Under on the radio and had to order the CD (I&W) from a local record store. Amazon what?
Funny thing, I started dating my wife in 1991 and we both saw DT on the I&W tour in Warwick RI for the first time at that weird amusement park. I've know DT almost as long as my wife!
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I heard Pull Me Under on the radio and had to order the CD (I&W) from a local record store. Amazon what?
Funny thing, I started dating my wife in 1991 and we both saw DT on the I&W tour in Warwick RI for the first time at that weird amusement park. I've know DT almost as long as my wife!
#marriageanologies
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Piling on.. I heard Pull Me Under without knowing who the artist was on the radio and independent of that my friend lent me the I&W cassette. Question of who the band was is solved!
So first new album for me as a fan was Awake. I cannot imagine a fan's first new album being FII, or TA for that matter.
Don't usually follow any band's pre-album recording/release hype train. Might jump on this one though. The last time I was super-invested in DT at this stage of an album recording cycle was SC. Then they released CM and TDEN before the album dropped, and I thought "What in the blue hell is this crap?" Fortunately the rest of the album assuaged my concerns.
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James on Facebook:
Hey Everyone,
Thanks for tuning into the livestream yesterday.
Very pumped as this album is kicking ass on all fronts.
Real exciting for the band and I’m sure you all will agree when you finally get to hear it. Finished a lyric yesterday, moving onto the next one soon.
It will be well worth the wait.
Talk soon...
He's already in lyrics writing mode? cool! and we'll get more than one!!!
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on twitter he says:
Album is kicking ass.
Finished a lyric yesterday and will be moving on to another soon.
Sonic splendor, you just have to be patient, will be banging your eardrums soon enough.
Speak soon...🤘💀😎
does that mean Sonic Splendor it a title of that track, or is it just something to describe the sound?
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100% not a title :P
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I got into DT in the period between ACOS and FII but was not massively anticipating FII as, whilst I loved I&W and ACOS, my excitement had been dampened by Awake. I didn’t even know FII was out until I saw it in the new release section at HMV. I decided to give it a go and really enjoyed it. I went to see them on that tour, joined the the fan club and went back and re-bought Awake and then couldn’t figure out why I disliked it in the first place. SFAM was the first release I was super hyped for. Saw a review in a magazine which just gave the album title as Scenes From A Memory, no mention of Metropolis pt 2 but I knew enough that this was a lyric from Metropolis pt 1 and they also mentioned TDOE in the review which was another reference and, fans at the time knew there was some version of Metropolis pt 2 out there. Anyway, when I phoned HMV on the day of release to check if they had the album, the guy said “is that Metropolis pt 2?” and I pretty much just ran out of work to buy it. Been massively excited for every album since and this new one will be no exception!
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100% not a title :P
tnx!
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I guess I'm a bit odd in my DT fan history. My first album was I&W, so the first "new" album to be released after I became a fan was Awake.
That's me too. According to Wikipedia, PMU was released as a single on August 10, 1992, so I assume I first heard it on the radio that month and then went out and bought I&W. Live at the Marquee was my first new DT album, and Awake was my first new studio album, which I was greatly anticipating. In fact, I think I remember seeing the video for "Lie" and wondering why I wasn't seeing Kevin Moore. When ACoS came out, my friend called me and starting playing the intro and told me what it was, and I almost immediately went out and bought it. I remember first hearing FII in the living room of a new apartment that was filled with boxes that we hadn't yet unpacked.
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I guess I'm a bit odd in my DT fan history. My first album was I&W, so the first "new" album to be released after I became a fan was Awake.
That's me too.
Yeah, I think it's actually a requirement for lawyers who are DT fans. I seem to recall a bar exam question asking what year I became a DT fan. I passed, so I must have gotten it right.
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On a different note. How many tours have you seen? Since I&W, I've seen every tour except the TOT tour. Both shows locally were on the weekend for that tour but in an odd twist, I had a weddington go to each time.
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My first new album waa A Change of Seasons or if that does not count, Awake.
Awesome releases both....
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On a different note. How many tours have you seen? Since I&W, I've seen every tour except the TOT tour. Both shows locally were on the weekend for that tour but in an odd twist, I had a weddington go to each time.
6, on the tours for these albums:
Awake
Scenes from a Memory (twice)
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Train of Thought
Dream Theater (twice)
The Astonishing
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Saw the images and words tour. For different reasons I missed the tours until I caught the Scenes from a memory tour after which I have had tickets to all tours (missed the Systematic Chaos tour as I was in a hospital).
Saw both the Astonishing and the Images and words and beyond tours twice.
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On a different note. How many tours have you seen? Since I&W, I've seen every tour except the TOT tour. Both shows locally were on the weekend for that tour but in an odd twist, I had a weddington go to each time.
I missed the 6 D's, ToT, Astonishing and IW&B.
But I did see them 4 times before Awake came out. ;D
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On a different note. How many tours have you seen? Since I&W, I've seen every tour except the TOT tour. Both shows locally were on the weekend for that tour but in an odd twist, I had a weddington go to each time.
First time ever seeing them was on The Astonishing tour, and then again on the IW&B tour.
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Octavarium tour (twice)
Systematic Chaos (twice)
BC&SL
ADTOE
Along For The Ride
The Astonishing (twice)
Images, Words & Beyond
All in Chicago except the second Astonishing show in which I traveled to Milwaukee.
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Casually bought vinyl I&W in 1992, instant fan.
First live show on the Awakening the World Tour, then I managed to catch every European Leg date in my neck of the woods since, except FII because my cesspool of a car at the time died on me and my pals.
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Systematic Chaos was the first album that came out after I'd been introduced to the band. I don't remember being hugely in to the band at that time and really anticipating the release or anything though. Actually, a check of my Last.fm stats shows that I listened to Octavarium a couple of times in 2006, but then didn't listen to the band again until SC came out and that was what really kickstarted my love of DT.
As for tours, my first was Prog Nation 09 in Glasgow and I've seen them each tour since I think. ADTOE tour also in Glasgow, Along for the Ride DT12 tour in Manchester, the second Astonishing show in London and Images & Words and Beyond back in Glasgow.
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From Octavarium on i’ve seen every tour, with that about the self titled twice.
I was literally one minute far from seeing twice also the last tour but then everything went wrong.
Been caught by DT in between Scenes from New York and Six degrees, so the latter was the first one I was anticipating.
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My introduction to the band was the Overture from Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. It was already old at the time, so my first new album ended up being A Dramatic Turn of Events. Still haven't seen them on tour yet, mainly because I'm a broke college student and rock concerts are out of my budget lol
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My excitement is really picking up speed now... I am just 2.5 years into my discovery of DT. This is my first new album!! To say that I have been like a kid in a candy store with all of their music is an understatement. It wasn't until about 6 mos. ago, that I could actually listen to any other music. But, now with the excitement they have been generating since going to write, I find I am back to where I started :mehlin only wanting to listen to them... To add to my excitement yesterday, they answered my question on the FB Live post (how long in the studio each day and what do you do to chill out), Octavarium came on my shuffle of the Spotify playlist, and then Again on Pandora.. What!??
Hearing a first "new" album from a band you like is a pretty cool thing. My first "new" Dream Theater album was Systematic Chaos. I can remember how excited I was for it. I still get excited for new records but back then I could barely function I was so pumped. :lol
man. one of petrucci's absolute best solos of his career just 3 minutes into that album. i remember riding my bike to the cd store to buy it :P
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From James' twitter...
"Album is kicking ass.
Finished a lyric yesterday and will be moving on to another soon.
Sonic splendor, you just have to be patient, will be banging your eardrums soon enough."
https://twitter.com/jameslabrie/status/1012813144140365824 (https://twitter.com/jameslabrie/status/1012813144140365824)
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He makes it sound like he wrote a single line of a song :p
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On a different note. How many tours have you seen? Since I&W, I've seen every tour except the TOT tour. Both shows locally were on the weekend for that tour but in an odd twist, I had a weddington go to each time.
Every tour since 1989.
Actually, that's not true. I refused to go on the most recent tour because there was no new music.
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Mine is weird. I first heard Pull Me Under on the radio back in '03-'04 at my cuzs house. Then At school my friends and I had our own forum we used to frequent, this was before Facebook and slightly before MySpace, we used to AIM chat too. Anyways, my friend posted about SFAM on there with the lyrics and I thought that was neat.
Around that same time frame, my uncle was watching Live at Budakon. So me and my cuz watched it with him and my auntie. I borrowed it from him to watch it all. I fell in love with it, especially Endless Sacrifice, Trial of Tears and Stream of Consciousness. I ended up buying the L@B cds.
I finally then bought SFAM, 8vm was just released as well and ended up listening to that at my friends which i enjoyed. That same year DT would tour with Gigantour, I wish i had known more of the songs then but looking back at the setlist it was amazing. Soon aafter I bought 8vm.
They toured opening for Yes and I couldn't go to that show, which looming back at the setlist I'm sad i didn't.
Now my first new album from the guys would be Systematic Chaos. It was neat hearing Constant Motion for the first time, I still enjoy the Solo section. I wasn't disappointed at all then amd still enjoy the album.
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Been to every full tour from Touring Into Infinity onwards, sometimes twice if they came back through on a 2nd leg like they did with SFAM and SDOIT tours. Only tour I missed was Octavarium show as I think I was away at the time.
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(https://scontent.fsvg1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/36381357_2048953798513284_4840489762487795712_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeHyKpueGjX3_gQxmebvUkT8Y5n8Hua4klB_rjhV302HMi5dwr1P9dZC7XlcWkCYWr04b-ZQHgzq8xDQtaZyDrjN-p3pW6JhHckL5iUbYPc_fg&oh=278b3a274c1867abdb7fa9181038e969&oe=5BB41425)
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Alright, DTF, lets do this - what does the page say? ;D
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I did everything I could to try and sharpen the text and nothing worked, so I gave up :(
(https://i.imgur.com/6jr8eTT.jpg)
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I think the bottom half is the Facebook Q&A schedule.
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I think the top right says something like “photo will be set up in the dining area of the studio”. Maybe a photo shoot? It does say All Band.
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There's a clearer image on the Labrie fanclub FB page. Top part says "Sign certificates for merch. These will be setup in the dining area of the studio. Sign at your leisure. Please refer to the Test sample."
Other part is just the schedule and url link from the previous FB interview.
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New concept album about signing merch confirned!!
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Other part is just the schedule and url link from the previous FB interview.
Is it, though? Is it?
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New concept album about signing merch confirned!!
Regardless of what I might be doing here, I would like to stress one thing. It's not a concept album.
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Other part is just the schedule and url link from the previous FB interview.
Is it, though? Is it?
Ah, somebody figured out the url when decoded went to Freddy's Twitter page.
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Methinks Freddy just got fingered.
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Not a movie I like to be reminded of.
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??? What movie?
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On a different note. How many tours have you seen? Since I&W, I've seen every tour except the TOT tour. Both shows locally were on the weekend for that tour but in an odd twist, I had a weddington go to each time.
I&W (all three American legs)
Awake
ToT (the last leg where they opened for Yes)
Octavarium
SC (Chaos in Motion and Prog Nation '08)
BC&SL (prog Nation '09 and Final Frontier when they opened for Iron Maiden)
ADToE
DT12
I&W and Beyond
I cannot adequately explain how/why there is a near ten year gap. I saw them in December 1994, and the next shows in my area were in November 1997 and May 1998. Although I wasn't a fan of FII, I can think of no reason why I didn't attend those shows (I'm especially bummed that I missed the show with Ray Alder and Bruce Dickinson).
The next shows in my area were in February 2000, including the Los Angeles show that got shut down by the fire marshal. I was in my second year of law school, so maybe my excuse was that I didn't have the money (although I can't imagine that tickets -- especially at the Galaxy Theater in Santa Ana -- would have been all that expensive). Same with the second leg of the SFAM tour in August 2000, which was right at the start of my last year of law school.
The only tour I can think of a legit reason for missing is 6DOIT. They played in March and August 2002. My son was born in May 2002, and I was busting my ass as a first year associate. While I might have been able to get a pass for the show in March, there's no way I would have gotten one for the show in August.
The first leg of the ToT tour was right after my daughter was born, so I guess that's why I only saw the show where they opened for Yes.
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I've seen everything from the 1999 warmup tour onward.
Only exceptions: the time they played Scenes from a Memory in full (damn) and when they came with the Prog Nation package (didn't like the bill and figured they'd play little - I didn't go and they played a kickass setlist, damn).
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On a different note. How many tours have you seen? Since I&W, I've seen every tour except the TOT tour. Both shows locally were on the weekend for that tour but in an odd twist, I had a weddington go to each time.
FII Tour (opening for ELP and Deep Purple)*
ToT Tour (twice - An Evening With and a headlining show on an off-night for Yes)
Gigantour (co-headlining with Megadeth)
Octavarium/20th Anniversary (thrice - An Evening With in CT, Boston, NYC)
Systematic Chaos (five times - headlining shows in Buffalo, Boston, CT, NJ, Jones Beach)
Progressive Nation 2008
Progressive Nation 2009
Black Clouds tour (headlining show on an off-night for Iron Maiden)
A Dramatic Tour of Events (twice)
Dream Theater (Boston DVD shoot)
The Astonishing (twice)
Images, Words and Beyond
*was not a fan at the first show. It was actually my first time hearing them. Got into them a few years later. My first new album after becoming a fan was Train of Thought and I have not missed a show in MA since 2004.
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On a different note. How many tours have you seen? Since I&W, I've seen every tour except the TOT tour. Both shows locally were on the weekend for that tour but in an odd twist, I had a weddington go to each time.
FII Tour (opening for ELP and Deep Purple)*
ToT Tour (twice - An Evening With and a headlining show on an off-night for Yes)
Gigantour (co-headlining with Megadeth)
Octavarium/20th Anniversary (thrice - An Evening With in CT, Boston, NYC)
Systematic Chaos (five times - headlining shows in Buffalo, Boston, CT, NJ, Jones Beach)
Progressive Nation 2008
Progressive Nation 2009
Black Clouds tour (headlining show on an off-night for Iron Maiden)
A Dramatic Tour of Events (twice)
Dream Theater (Boston DVD shoot)
The Astonishing (twice)
Images, Words and Beyond
*was not a fan at the first show. It was actually my first time hearing them. Got into them a few years later. My first new album after becoming a fan was Train of Thought and I have not missed a show in MA since 2004.
We've been to a lot of the same shows then. I live in NH.
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Just stumbled upon the Mike Mangini audition again with the full DT jam Mike and DT made together. Holy hell! That makes me wonder why the last 2 albums haven't utilized this at all! I mean start at 21:30 and it's exactly what I would love to hear from DT on the new album and Mike's drums sounds fantastic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tZ-go2CXqo
I really hope this is what the new way of working with the "organic sound" will partly accomplish.
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Just stumbled upon the Mike Mangini audition again with the full DT jam Mike and DT made together. Holy hell! That makes me wonder why the last 2 albums haven't utilized this at all! I mean start at 21:30 and it's exactly what I would love to hear from DT on the new album and Mike's drums sounds fantastic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tZ-go2CXqo
I really hope this is what the new way of working with the "organic sound" will partly accomplish.
Oh, wow. I had no idea that had been put out. I begged JP for some of that footage too! :lol
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It was on the usb stick for the box set for dt12
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Oh, that explains it then. I never bought the box set. (those kinds of things are too rich for my blood, and I generally have no use for vinyl and most of the other bonus stuff)
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Just stumbled upon the Mike Mangini audition again with the full DT jam Mike and DT made together. Holy hell! That makes me wonder why the last 2 albums haven't utilized this at all! I mean start at 21:30 and it's exactly what I would love to hear from DT on the new album and Mike's drums sounds fantastic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tZ-go2CXqo
I really hope this is what the new way of working with the "organic sound" will partly accomplish.
Oh, wow. I had no idea that had been put out. I begged JP for some of that footage too! :lol
I've watched it many times already, but I still feel weird looking at JP without his super long beard :lol
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Mike Mangini on facebook:
What a 3 year whirlwind for me and it hasn't slowed quite yet. 2 years of DT touring + 4 months with G3 and everything in between on and off the field. That's a lot of time traveling. I'm sure I'll do plenty of interviews to talk about all that, the non-drumming caused injuries I've somehow healed from and new heights with playing control and personal songwriting I never thought I'd attain and the band camaraderie and teamwork to write what we wrote. I'm sure our latest effort will satisfy the entire DT fan base, but that is for fans to determine. On to the process after songwriting! But only after a short break for Independence Day here in the USA. I'm a believer in praying for one's native country and the world - and I do daily, especially after enjoying every place I tour and all the people I meet. The 2019 Tour will be AMAZING :)
Maybe I’m reading this the wrong way, but does the bolded part mean they’re done with the writing? :metal
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Mike Mangini on facebook: What a 3 year whirlwind for me and it hasn't slowed quite yet. 2 years of DT touring + 4 months with G3 and everything in between on and off the field. That's a lot of time traveling. I'm sure I'll do plenty of interviews to talk about all that, the non-drumming caused injuries I've somehow healed from and new heights with playing control and personal songwriting I never thought I'd attain and the band camaraderie and teamwork to write what we wrote. I'm sure our latest effort will satisfy the entire DT fan base, but that is for fans to determine. On to the process after songwriting! But only after a short break for Independence Day here in the USA. I'm a believer in praying for one's native country and the world - and I do daily, especially after enjoying every place I tour and all the people I meet. The 2019 Tour will be AMAZING :)
Maybe I’m reading this the wrong way, but does the bolded part mean they’re done with the writing? :metal
That would be super fast writing process then :)
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Mike Mangini on facebook: What a 3 year whirlwind for me and it hasn't slowed quite yet. 2 years of DT touring + 4 months with G3 and everything in between on and off the field. That's a lot of time traveling. I'm sure I'll do plenty of interviews to talk about all that, the non-drumming caused injuries I've somehow healed from and new heights with playing control and personal songwriting I never thought I'd attain and the band camaraderie and teamwork to write what we wrote. I'm sure our latest effort will satisfy the entire DT fan base, but that is for fans to determine. On to the process after songwriting! But only after a short break for Independence Day here in the USA. I'm a believer in praying for one's native country and the world - and I do daily, especially after enjoying every place I tour and all the people I meet. The 2019 Tour will be AMAZING :)
Maybe I’m reading this the wrong way, but does the bolded part mean they’re done with the writing? :metal
That would be super fast writing process then :)
One month working 11 to 12 hours a day. Fast but not super fast IMO.
B.Lee
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Really hoping for a good album, and that's coming from someone who enjoyed TA.
After 3 albums, i really hope that sound quality (especially drums) is not compromised, and James sings in a more comfortable range. His I&W tour has been atrocious in terms of performance from what i've seen, and TA had some pretty obvious manipulation in his vocal performances.
Songwriting seems to have happened quickly, really hoping to see everyone involved and Mike bringing his crazy mind into the process.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk2BKH6HohN/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=d405fomkrvhr
Yeah, something like that, Mike.
Why is that when you watch Mike he seems not to be doing much but the sound tells you something different. :lol
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Really hoping for a good album, and that's coming from someone who enjoyed TA.
After 3 albums, i really hope that sound quality (especially drums) is not compromised, and James sings in a more comfortable range. His I&W tour has been atrocious in terms of performance from what i've seen, and TA had some pretty obvious manipulation in his vocal performances.
Songwriting seems to have happened quickly, really hoping to see everyone involved and Mike bringing his crazy mind into the process.
I totally agree with everything. I also hope that what I heard from John in his recent interview with FB, where he was betting on a more natural guitar tone, will come true. The sound of "The Astonishing" does not do justice to the equipment he used to record it.
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Really hoping for a good album, and that's coming from someone who enjoyed TA.
After 3 albums, i really hope that sound quality (especially drums) is not compromised, and James sings in a more comfortable range. His I&W tour has been atrocious in terms of performance from what i've seen, and TA had some pretty obvious manipulation in his vocal performances.
Songwriting seems to have happened quickly, really hoping to see everyone involved and Mike bringing his crazy mind into the process.
I totally agree with everything. I also hope that what I heard from John in his recent interview with FB, where he was betting on a more natural guitar tone, will come true. The sound of "The Astonishing" does not do justice to the equipment he used to record it.
Tbh, it's not the guitar sound I'm worried about : give me a more natural, less processed drum sound so we can hear everything MM does.
B.Lee
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Yes, after 3 great albums with MM I feel the major issue they need to nail down is the sound of the records. Come on man, it shouldn't be THAT hard.
That was some fast writing, inspiration must have been abundant.
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^ Yeah, I really feel like it would benefit the band to move on from Rich and have a different engineer/mixer this time around. Get some fresh ears in there.
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Well...
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Really hoping for a good album, and that's coming from someone who enjoyed TA.
After 3 albums, i really hope that sound quality (especially drums) is not compromised, and James sings in a more comfortable range. His I&W tour has been atrocious in terms of performance from what i've seen, and TA had some pretty obvious manipulation in his vocal performances.
Songwriting seems to have happened quickly, really hoping to see everyone involved and Mike bringing his crazy mind into the process.
I totally agree with everything. I also hope that what I heard from John in his recent interview with FB, where he was betting on a more natural guitar tone, will come true. The sound of "The Astonishing" does not do justice to the equipment he used to record it.
Tbh, it's not the guitar sound I'm worried about : give me a more natural, less processed drum sound so we can hear everything MM does.
B.Lee
Definitely. I feel like there are so many great parts from MM hidden behind the mix, especially cymbal-wise.
Seeing some clinic videos with Mike playing LNF for example, uncovers so many hidden details in his playing.
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Well...
Don't tease me! :lol
Definitely. I feel like there are so many great parts from MM hidden behind the mix, especially cymbal-wise.
Seeing some clinic videos with Mike playing LNF for example, uncovers so many hidden details in his playing.
One thing that has really stood out to me listening to the MM records vs. the MP records - the lack of cymbals in the mix for MM. MP's records always had the cymbals very clear and present, that is still missing from a lot of the records MM has done with DT thus far.
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I felt that even MP's crash and china cymbals were too low in the mix. His hi-hat, ride and stacks were up front. I listened to Systematic Chaos yesterday in the car and man, his kick drums are too loud in the mix.
This morning I stumbled across Primus' "Tales From The Punchbowl" while driving. Hadn't listened to it in years. The drums sound great. Very natural sounding and mixed well. A drum mix like that would be a great improvement for a DT record.
Are they finished writing the album?
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Well...
There’s hope! :hefdaddy
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Really hoping for a good album, and that's coming from someone who enjoyed TA.
After 3 albums, i really hope that sound quality (especially drums) is not compromised, and James sings in a more comfortable range. His I&W tour has been atrocious in terms of performance from what i've seen, and TA had some pretty obvious manipulation in his vocal performances.
Songwriting seems to have happened quickly, really hoping to see everyone involved and Mike bringing his crazy mind into the process.
I totally agree with everything. I also hope that what I heard from John in his recent interview with FB, where he was betting on a more natural guitar tone, will come true. The sound of "The Astonishing" does not do justice to the equipment he used to record it.
Tbh, it's not the guitar sound I'm worried about : give me a more natural, less processed drum sound so we can hear everything MM does.
B.Lee
+1 too
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Well...
There’s hope! :hefdaddy
Wasn't it already confirmed that Rich isn't going to be their engineer this time around?
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Well...
There’s hope! :hefdaddy
Wasn't it already confirmed that Rich isn't going to be their engineer this time around?
I don't believe so...
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I think that was only speculated based on people saying he was busy with other projects or something.
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I think that was only speculated based on people saying he was busy with other projects or something.
I hope he is busy… for the next 4 album cycles.
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I think that was only speculated based on people saying he was busy with other projects or something.
Maybe that's what I remember then.
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writing's finished!
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With burgers and beers.
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With burgers and beers.
"Don't flip those fuckers" :rollin
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Yeah seems like the guys were feeling good when they made that vid.
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So, they should start recording in a couple days, right? :hefdaddy
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Would be nice to hear some snippets ;D
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Would be nice to hear some snippets ;D
You bet!
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A month or little more in a relaxed environment with everyone contributing and being relaxed and energized.... can't wait for the results! :metal
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Loved to see JMX practicing in the back in the video while everyone is enjoying themselves :D
But WOW they already finished the writing?? Isn't that a little fast? I hate to be the guy criticising, but I think they could have taken a little more time...
But then again I could give less f**ks how long it took them to write this album because I know it's totally gonna kick ass :metal
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But WOW they already finished the writing?? Isn't that a little fast? I hate to be the guy criticising, but I think they could have taken a little more time...
They've been at it for a month and probably a little more, and they worked all day. When you're secluded away for the only specific purpouse of writing an album and everything else you do is just resting, eating and sleeping, a month can be very productive.
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From my understanding Train of Thought was written in about a month (it's in the making of documentary somewhere), so it's not unheard of by Dream Theater's standard to write an album in a month.
But certainly throughout the rest of the recording process they will be writing more. For example, solo sections at this stage are more likely just blank spaces and the guys will write their solos when recording their tracks.
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Yes, I think ToT was written (and recorded iirc) within around 2 weeks.
And I also think that in the future weeks and months a lot will be changed, arranged, re-arranged; solos will be written, maybe some lyrics.
All in all, this seems to be a pretty spontaneous album. Imo, this is a welcome, fresh approach after the very thought-though Astonishing.
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That video is great. "Cooking with the Pirate" The excitement in this video makes me want the music :metal
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They’ve been camped out in the studio for right about a month. And from what they said, working 12 hours a day. I think it’s pretty reasonable for them to be done writing. It sounds like they were very inspired. Excited for this album!
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Yeah, a month of writing is actually pretty long by DT standards. Also, keep in mind they demoed (or will be demoing) all that material and might tweak it before final recording.
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Yeah, a month of writing is actually pretty long by DT standards. Also, keep in mind they demoed (or will be demoing) all that material and might tweak it before final recording.
Yep!
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But WOW they already finished the writing?? Isn't that a little fast? I hate to be the guy criticising, but I think they could have taken a little more time...
Time has nothing to do with it. Some of the greatest albums in history were written in less time, and some really crappy albums took years to write.
With burgers and beers.
"Don't flip those fuckers" :rollin
Now I'm hungry...and it's only 9:40 a.m.!
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That video is great. "Cooking with the Pirate" The excitement in this video makes me want the burgers. :metal
FTFM.
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That video is great. "Cooking with the Pirate" The excitement in this video makes me want the burgers. :metal
FTFM.
Haha, I felt the same way. I was all Damn, now I want a burger.
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Yes, I think ToT was written (and recorded iirc) within around 2 weeks.
ToT and Awake were each written in roughly 3 weeks time.
I would imagine that as they start doing the proper recording of the album, that there will be some adjustments. My biggest hope (and one I doubt they did) was write more than enough material, so that they could pick out the best stuff to put on the album, but to record all of it, and release the additional tracks as B-sides and/or bonus tracks for deluxe editions, etc.
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Now that the album is written, I’m curious if the band really feels that the songs turned out the style they envisioned before they went to the studio. Anyway, very happy with the news!
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If something isn't good enough to make the album proper, why would they bother recording and releasing it? I know lots of people are interesting in this sort of thing (hey, I just answered my own question!) but I don't care about cutting room floor material.
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If something isn't good enough to make the album proper, why would they bother recording and releasing it? I know lots of people are interesting in this sort of thing (hey, I just answered my own question!) but I don't care about cutting room floor material.
I dunno. Raise the Knife is one of my favorite DT songs.
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I thought about this more... (and using that example as I would say RtK if better than half off the stuff on FII) just because something makes the album doesn't necessarily mean it is "better" than material that didn't make the cut. Of course, it stands to reason the best material will make the cut. But sometimes those pesky suits from the record label know better.
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I thought about this more... (and using that example as I would say RtK if better than half off the stuff on FII) just because something makes the album doesn't necessarily mean it is "better" than material that didn't make the cut. Of course, it stands to reason the best material will make the cut. But sometimes those pesky suits from the record label know better.
Yea, it could have to do with flow and overall atmosphere of the album.
For example, the last Epica album cycle the band I guess had the juices flowing and wrote too many songs for a single album. They kept saying there were more songs but they cut them from the album not because of quality but because they felt they didn't fit in with the overall feel of the rest of the songs/album. They then released them as an EP later and that EP fucking rocks and really sounds just like any of their other music.
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If something isn't good enough to make the album proper, why would they bother recording and releasing it? I know lots of people are interesting in this sort of thing (hey, I just answered my own question!) but I don't care about cutting room floor material.
I dunno. Raise the Knife is one of my favorite DT songs.
I think RtK and the other non-album tracks from Falling into Infinity are a different animal. They wrote them with the full intention of them being on the (double) album.
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Yea, it could have to do with flow and overall atmosphere of the album.
Exactly. Another perfect example of this was when Steven Wilson wrote the song Drown With Me. He thought it was an awesome song and would be a perfect single. However, after he finished writing everything else that he intended for the In Absentia album, he recognized that Drown With Me wouldn't fit with the overall feel of the rest of the songs, and so he chose not to include it on the album.
Another example: DT planned on writing a dark, heavy album, and they ended up with ToT. However, during the writing sessions, they developed some ideas that became an upbeat song. However, they realized that it wouldn't work on the album, and so they discarded those ideas. In this case, MP remembered this song (dunno how close it was to completion) when they were working on Octavarium, and they ended up using them on the album. The song was I Walk Beside You.
So in both these cases, it's not that the songs were bad or of lesser quality, but rather that they didn't fit with the rest of the songs.
I think RtK and the other non-album tracks from Falling into Infinity are a different animal.
They were a different animal, but not because they intended to write/record a double album. It was only because the label wouldn't allow them in the studio to start recording what became FII and was pushing for more radio-friendly songs, that DT continued writing more.
In the same way, if the guys are "in the zone" and are cranking out great song after song, why stop just because they have an album's worth of material? Why not continue writing to see where it takes you? Maybe you'd come up with some even better songs. Or maybe the feel/vibe of the album might be different. At the very least, you'd have more material to pick and choose from. Had they not continued to write more material while waiting to get the OK from the label to go into the studio, Trial of Tears, Cover My Eyes, Hollow Years, New Millennium and Speak to Me wouldn't exist. How many other awesome songs might have existed if DT didn't stop writing the moment they had enough material to fill a CD during other writing sessions? Obviously we'll never know, but the idea to just write enough to fill a CD instead of following your muse (especially given that they're not writing the album in a full-blown studio) and seeing what more you can come up with seems to be selling yourself short.
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Those are both good points, I had not thought of either of those.
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In the same way, if the guys are "in the zone" and are cranking out great song after song, why stop just because they have an album's worth of material? Why not continue writing to see where it takes you?
Isn't this how they came up with the entire Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence piece?
Personally, I love b-sides, but it's also related to genre as well. Prog/metal bands tend to write the music that they want and not worry too much about "hits" whereas pop/rock bands *do* worry about "hits", or at least the company does, and it pushes them to write 20-30 songs per album so they can pick the best ones... or at least the most likely to be "hits". Falling Into Infinity is a great example of this with the company trying to dictate everything and we ended up with some great b-sides.
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It is weird to be excited about a DT album again, but I'm slowly getting there!
I was hoping for more of a Spontaneous, "back to basics" approach, and it seems that's exactly whats happening. Also the fact that this seems to very much a group effort, as opposed to the Astonishing which was clearly JP's and Jr's brainchild, is encouraging! Mangini seems to be more involved than ever in the writing process, which is also great!
What they have communicated through the updates about this new album, ticks all the boxes for me so far. Very much excited to hear the results!
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In the same way, if the guys are "in the zone" and are cranking out great song after song, why stop just because they have an album's worth of material? Why not continue writing to see where it takes you?
Isn't this how they came up with the entire Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence piece?
I believe in a way it was, but unintentionally. When they reconvened after the break from the G3 tour JP and MP did, they knew they wanted to include an epic on the album, so their goal was to write a piece roughly 20 minutes in length. They got on a roll and before they knew it, they had actually written 40 minutes of music. So it wasn't a matter of "hey, we've really hit our stride - let's just keep writing until we start to run out of great ideas" - it was more like "holy crap! I can't believe we just wrote 40 minutes of music!"
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It is weird to be excited about a DT album again, but I'm slowly getting there!
I was hoping for more of a Spontaneous, "back to basics" approach, and it seems that's exactly whats happening. Also the fact that this seems to very much a group effort, as opposed to the Astonishing which was clearly JP's and Jr's brainchild, is encouraging! Mangini seems to be more involved than ever in the writing process, which is also great!
What they have communicated through the updates about this new album, ticks all the boxes for me so far. Very much excited to hear the results!
I think I mentioned this before, but we haven't had a "standard" DT album in five years. That's a long time. I'm very excited to see what we get!
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I'm excited for a new DT album, but not over the top. They obviously seem really energized and happy, which is great to see. But a lot of bands are that way about an upcoming release (and I guess it would be a concern if they weren't). So I try not to build up the hype in my mind too much and just experience the album when it came out. The approach worked for me for The Astonishing, for sure. :)
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I’m very excited for the album. I like The Astonishing for what it was, but hope they get back to what made me fall in love with them. Although seeing them live does not get me as excited as it used to, I still look forward to their new albums as much as any other band, with the exception of all things Neal Morse related probably.
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Jordan and James birthday video to JP is on Facebook. :metal :metal
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Jordan and James birthday video to JP is on Facebook. :metal :metal
Nice! And cool 8 string guitar!
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Seeing JR promoting his 8-string guitar, gives me hope we might get some sick riffs in the new album.
I really liked the Astonishing, but i would be very happy with a heavy album from DT.
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Seeing JR promoting his 8-string guitar, gives me hope we might get some sick riffs in the new album.
I really liked the Astonishing, but i would be very happy with a heavy album from DT.
So do I, my friend, so do I!
B.Lee
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I believe in a way it was, but unintentionally. When they reconvened after the break from the G3 tour JP and MP did, they knew they wanted to include an epic on the album, so their goal was to write a piece roughly 20 minutes in length. They got on a roll and before they knew it, they had actually written 40 minutes of music. So it wasn't a matter of "hey, we've really hit our stride - let's just keep writing until we start to run out of great ideas" - it was more like "holy crap! I can't believe we just wrote 40 minutes of music!"
I think it's splitting hairs about being in their stride in this case. If they started with X and were really feeling it and came up with X^2 or whatever then I think it would apply in this case but, again, splitting hairs. Thanks for the clarification.
Seeing JR promoting his 8-string guitar, gives me hope we might get some sick riffs in the new album.
I really liked the Astonishing, but i would be very happy with a heavy album from DT.
Heavy = Sure
8-String = Please God No
Dream Theater doesn't need an 8-string. John Petrucci doesn't need an 8-string. It's too much of a gimmick and will be stepping on John Myung's toes cuz at that point the bass starts to become superfluous.
They're great for djent and bands or bands like Animals as Leaders since they have no bass at all and simply play the bass lines on their 8- and 9-strings.
They're fine to mess around on but I really hope JP avoids them for actual material. He's already used a down-tuned 7-string a whole step down to A (Illumination Theory) and the definition between notes suffers for it and going to an 8-string will only make it worse.
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Heavy = Sure
8-String = Please God No
Dream Theater doesn't need an 8-string. John Petrucci doesn't need an 8-string. It's too much of a gimmick and will be stepping on John Myung's toes cuz at that point the bass starts to become superfluous.
They're great for djent and bands or bands like Animals as Leaders since they have no bass at all and simply play the bass lines on their 8- and 9-strings.
They're fine to mess around on but I really hope JP avoids them for actual material. He's already used a down-tuned 7-string a whole step down to A (Illumination Theory) and the definition between notes suffers for it and going to an 8-string will only make it worse.
Well said. To be honest, I'm sure it wouldn't work in DT. 7 strings is enough. I find all the bands that use 8 string guitars only to chug in lower register really unlistenable. Ok, AAL makes it sound cool, but JP is not Tosin and I hope it stays this way.
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Ok, AAL makes it sound cool, but JP is not Tosin and I hope it stays this way.
"in a controversial move by progressive metal band Dream Theater, guitarist John Petrucci announces plans to become Tosin"
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In a related story, "Who is Tosin?" becomes Google's most searched query
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Heavy = Sure
8-String = Please God No
Dream Theater doesn't need an 8-string. John Petrucci doesn't need an 8-string. It's too much of a gimmick and will be stepping on John Myung's toes cuz at that point the bass starts to become superfluous.
They're great for djent and bands or bands like Animals as Leaders since they have no bass at all and simply play the bass lines on their 8- and 9-strings.
They're fine to mess around on but I really hope JP avoids them for actual material. He's already used a down-tuned 7-string a whole step down to A (Illumination Theory) and the definition between notes suffers for it and going to an 8-string will only make it worse.
Well said. To be honest, I'm sure it wouldn't work in DT. 7 strings is enough. I find all the bands that use 8 string guitars only to chug in lower register really unlistenable. Ok, AAL makes it sound cool, but JP is not Tosin and I hope it stays this way.
Yeah, have to admit, whilst I like metal DT, I don’t like the really sludgy, muddy chugging DT stuff. I like it more when it’s Queensrÿche style heavy with huge power chords. Not the down tuned stuff.
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From what I've seen, 8 strings work really well in contexts like double hand tapping, or fusion or something. Low chugging just sounds like mud.
Since DT don't really explore many new areas these days, if they use an 8 string, I assume low chugging.
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Heavy = Sure
8-String = Please God No
Dream Theater doesn't need an 8-string. John Petrucci doesn't need an 8-string. It's too much of a gimmick and will be stepping on John Myung's toes cuz at that point the bass starts to become superfluous.
They're great for djent and bands or bands like Animals as Leaders since they have no bass at all and simply play the bass lines on their 8- and 9-strings.
They're fine to mess around on but I really hope JP avoids them for actual material. He's already used a down-tuned 7-string a whole step down to A (Illumination Theory) and the definition between notes suffers for it and going to an 8-string will only make it worse.
Well said. To be honest, I'm sure it wouldn't work in DT. 7 strings is enough. I find all the bands that use 8 string guitars only to chug in lower register really unlistenable. Ok, AAL makes it sound cool, but JP is not Tosin and I hope it stays this way.
Haken uses 8 string guitars and IMO they really know how to use them in an interesting way, not just chugging.
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Heavy = Sure
8-String = Please God No
Dream Theater doesn't need an 8-string. John Petrucci doesn't need an 8-string. It's too much of a gimmick and will be stepping on John Myung's toes cuz at that point the bass starts to become superfluous.
They're great for djent and bands or bands like Animals as Leaders since they have no bass at all and simply play the bass lines on their 8- and 9-strings.
They're fine to mess around on but I really hope JP avoids them for actual material. He's already used a down-tuned 7-string a whole step down to A (Illumination Theory) and the definition between notes suffers for it and going to an 8-string will only make it worse.
Well said. To be honest, I'm sure it wouldn't work in DT. 7 strings is enough. I find all the bands that use 8 string guitars only to chug in lower register really unlistenable. Ok, AAL makes it sound cool, but JP is not Tosin and I hope it stays this way.
Haken uses 8 string guitars and IMO they really know how to use them in an interesting way, not just chugging.
Agreed! They're really low passages a VERY heavy, but in very interesting ways, plus they don't just stick in the lower register all the time.
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Heavy = Sure
8-String = Please God No
Dream Theater doesn't need an 8-string. John Petrucci doesn't need an 8-string. It's too much of a gimmick and will be stepping on John Myung's toes cuz at that point the bass starts to become superfluous.
They're great for djent and bands or bands like Animals as Leaders since they have no bass at all and simply play the bass lines on their 8- and 9-strings.
They're fine to mess around on but I really hope JP avoids them for actual material. He's already used a down-tuned 7-string a whole step down to A (Illumination Theory) and the definition between notes suffers for it and going to an 8-string will only make it worse.
Well said. To be honest, I'm sure it wouldn't work in DT. 7 strings is enough. I find all the bands that use 8 string guitars only to chug in lower register really unlistenable. Ok, AAL makes it sound cool, but JP is not Tosin and I hope it stays this way.
Haken uses 8 string guitars and IMO they really know how to use them in an interesting way, not just chugging.
Agreed! They're really low passages a VERY heavy, but in very interesting ways, plus they don't just stick in the lower register all the time.
Yeah, the 8-string can also be used to add texture, not just chuggah-chuggah.
B.Lee
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No. Haken is already making a dent in touring. They will get a bump from touring with MP. As much as I'd love seeing this Haken is more established in this part of their career to open.
How did you feel about Dream Theater opening for Iron Maiden in 2010?
Bands don't "make it" like they used to, what with everyone and their mom promoting their mediocre music online, they need as much exposure as they can get. Even an older band like DT got extremely lucky in the early 90s. Don't the members of Haken still hold down day jobs? I know a few bands that still work another job to make ends meet, or quit altogether because "making it" in music where it can be your career is tougher now more than ever because of so much competition and trying to stick out from the masses of other acts out there, and keeping the attention of people who have so many choices of entertainment these days, it is overwhelming.
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I mean if a relatively smaller (but established and known in their circles) band gets a chance to open for a very established band in their genre, I say they should take that chance. To go back to Darkshade's point of DT opening for Maiden, despite DT being very established at that point. You don't say no to opening for Iron Maiden in arenas/amphitheaters in the states even though you typically play in front of 2,000-3,000 people and can make a good living off of that. Bands like Alter Bridge and Sevendust and Sixx: A.M. They are certainly established and relatively known in the active rock radio format, and make decent money off touring (despite their relative hurdles/challenges that they go through) doing their own shows. However, if they get the chance to open for a co-headlining bill with a combination of like Shinedown, Breaking Benjamin, Five Finger Death Punch, A7X, etc., they'll certainly take it.
I see nothing wrong with a band like Haken opening for Dream Theater on either side of the Atlantic and I do believe they would be better for it if the opportunity arises.
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No. Haken is already making a dent in touring. They will get a bump from touring with MP. As much as I'd love seeing this Haken is more established in this part of their career to open.
How did you feel about Dream Theater opening for Iron Maiden in 2010?
Bands don't "make it" like they used to, what with everyone and their mom promoting their mediocre music online, they need as much exposure as they can get. Even an older band like DT got extremely lucky in the early 90s. Don't the members of Haken still hold down day jobs? I know a few bands that still work another job to make ends meet, or quit altogether because "making it" in music where it can be your career is tougher now more than ever because of so much competition and trying to stick out from the masses of other acts out there, and keeping the attention of people who have so many choices of entertainment these days, it is overwhelming.
Yes, this is entirely accurate. Rick Beato did an interview with Misha Mansoor and he basically said that he profits very little from touring and album sales. Both of those things eat up a lot of your time and cost truckloads of money. I don't think it's been possible to make a living solely by playing live and recording music. Most of the musicians I knew from music school have done one of the following:
-Gotten teaching gigs (still probably the most consistent way to earn money in music)
-Session work (not as viable now with synthesizers being as good as they are)
-Producing for rappers/whatever or songwriting gigs
-Multiple gigs (I knew people who played in multiple orchestras for money)
-Steady orchestral gigs or choral gigs
-Accompaniment gigs for some pianists
-Day jobs or just putting music as a hobby
-Commercials
Once you hit a certain point you can get sponsorships. YouTube and Patreon have proven to be pretty decent ways to earn money. Also, merch merch merch. You make music to make merch to sell to make music.
But yeah, the barrier to making music has never been lower, and the barrier to making music successfully has never been higher. This isn't anything new, piano went through this HARD over the past century. The upright and eventually electronic piano made it so much easier to buy a piano, and the surplus of teachers made it easy to get lessons. So the standards of playing raised and raised until now it's incredibly difficult to be a concert pianist unless you started grinding at age like 8. Music is the most oversaturated labor market on the planet and that will not change.
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Music is the most oversaturated labor market on the planet and that will not change.
...untill the NOMACS take over :D
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The last Adagio album was done entirely on 8-string and worked well. There was plenty of room for the bass and what not. There were a few djenty sections but they were tasteful and contrasted with the other stuff nicely. No reason DT couldn't use the 8-string just as well. No guarantees it would work, but it certainly could.
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Perhaps a dumb question, but why are we assuming that an 8-string guitar would be strung with two strings tuned below the low-E on a standard 6-string guitar? Why not string it, e.g., BEADGBEA?
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Perhaps a dumb question, but why are we assuming that an 8-string guitar would be strung with two strings tuned below the low-E on a standard 6-string guitar? Why not string it, e.g., BEADGBEA?
Same reason we assume a 7 string isn't tuned EADGBEA. DT have generally used things as they are intended.
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Perhaps a dumb question, but why are we assuming that an 8-string guitar would be strung with two strings tuned below the low-E on a standard 6-string guitar? Why not string it, e.g., BEADGBEA?
Same reason we assume a 7 string isn't tuned EADGBEA. DT have generally used things as they are intended.
Well...wait a minute. "as intended"? As intended by whom? The limited amount of googling I did on the subject indicated plenty of folks who have expanded in both directions.
By the way, I play a 5-string bass tuned EADGC, so....
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The norm is a 7 string being BEADGBE and so forth.
The fact that some people do it differently doesn't impact that that's how it's intended. If you go to a guitar store, every single 7 string will be in that tuning, unless a customer had gone to change it. Every 8 string will be that with a low F#. If you buy them directly from a manufacturer and don't ask them to change anything, those are the tunings they come in.
Edit: Does that mean they SHOULD be like that? Hell no. I use mostly alternate tunings myself. Doesn't change that fact that DT, generally, keeps things as intended.
As rarely as Petrucci plays a 7 string, if he really wanted that extra high string, he could have had that by now.
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As much as JP regularly experiments with and plays in alternative tunings, I think it's kind of silly to assume any given tuning on the new album, no matter how many strings are involved. I also think it is equally silly to react strongly against the possibility of him using an 8-string before we've heard even a note of either any of the new material or him playing an 8-string in general.
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I think it's kind of silly to assume any given tuning on the new album, no matter how many strings are involved.
Yup...especially when one of the videos from the rehearsal studio included commentary that he had X different guitars, each of which had a different tuning.''
I also think it is equally silly to react strongly against the possibility of him using an 8-string before we've heard even a note of either any of the new material or him playing an 8-string in general.
And even more silly to react strongly based on an assumption.
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As much as JP regularly experiments with and plays in alternative tunings, I think it's kind of silly to assume any given tuning on the new album, no matter how many strings are involved. I also think it is equally silly to react strongly against the possibility of him using an 8-string before we've heard even a note of either any of the new material or him playing an 8-string in general.
I would say he experiments with a lot of dropped tunings but I didn't think he got into many alternate tunnings. Could be wrong though? Would be cool to hear him play in some open tunings and such.
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Ok, AAL makes it sound cool, but JP is not Tosin and I hope it stays this way.
"in a controversial move by progressive metal band Dream Theater, guitarist John Petrucci announces plans to become Tosin"
Still better than that "chocolate cake" thing from DT12 :lol
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As much as JP regularly experiments with and plays in alternative tunings, I think it's kind of silly to assume any given tuning on the new album, no matter how many strings are involved. I also think it is equally silly to react strongly against the possibility of him using an 8-string before we've heard even a note of either any of the new material or him playing an 8-string in general.
I would say he experiments with a lot of dropped tunings but I didn't think he got into many alternate tunnings. Could be wrong though? Would be cool to hear him play in some open tunings and such.
He really doesn't do a lot of alternate tunings. Most of his stuff is standard, drop D, seven string standard, or a couple where the guitar is tuned down to C standard or drop C.
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As much as JP regularly experiments with and plays in alternative tunings, I think it's kind of silly to assume any given tuning on the new album, no matter how many strings are involved. I also think it is equally silly to react strongly against the possibility of him using an 8-string before we've heard even a note of either any of the new material or him playing an 8-string in general.
It's weird. My reaction to JP potentially using an 8-string was really positive. More of "wow, cool, that'd be different." This is the first DT record since ADToE that I am actually looking forward to. I think after JP got TA out of his system, it appears this is a whole band effort, and hell, even JLB was in on the writing sessions. It'll be nice to hear what they've all come up with, as a band, even if the main ideas likely started with JP and JR, of course.
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Sorry if I'm out of the loop and it has been mentioned already, but have they started tracking yet? The burger party and the treasure hunt is the last thing I've read about.
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Sorry if I'm out of the loop and it has been mentioned already, but have they started tracking yet? The burger party and the treasure hunt is the last thing I've read about.
I suppose they already started, but haven’t posted anything about it. If not, they should start very soon.
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As much as JP regularly experiments with and plays in alternative tunings, I think it's kind of silly to assume any given tuning on the new album, no matter how many strings are involved. I also think it is equally silly to react strongly against the possibility of him using an 8-string before we've heard even a note of either any of the new material or him playing an 8-string in general.
I would say he experiments with a lot of dropped tunings but I didn't think he got into many alternate tunnings. Could be wrong though? Would be cool to hear him play in some open tunings and such.
He really doesn't do a lot of alternate tunings. Most of his stuff is standard, drop D, seven string standard, or a couple where the guitar is tuned down to C standard or drop C.
To my knowledge, he's only used (with some examples):
E standard (most songs)
D standard (Forsaken)
E flat standard (I think SOC and TROAE)
Drop D (Home, ONW)
C standard (ANTR)
A standard (These Walls)
A sharp standard (Panic Attack, Wither)
7 string standard (most 7 string songs)
7 string down a whole step (Illumination Theory)
It's possible I missed one or two, but I think I covered it. So mostly, he uses variations of the 6 and 7 string standard tunings, with the occasional drop tuning. But he doesn't use do any crazy alternate tunings like the Periphery guys or Mark Tremonti. I think it could be extremely interesting though if he tried. I use a couple of open tunings, which are extremely fun, and also very expansive for my writing. If I start to get writers block, grabbing a guitar in a different tuning really helps. In a way, it almost feels like picking up a different instrument which is fresh and exciting.
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Still better than that "chocolate cake" thing from DT12 :lol
I thought "Chocolate cake" was actually a pretty good way of explaining what he meant, and it made for a fun, goofy little moment in the behind the scenes thing...
As much as JP regularly experiments with and plays in alternative tunings, I think it's kind of silly to assume any given tuning on the new album, no matter how many strings are involved. I also think it is equally silly to react strongly against the possibility of him using an 8-string before we've heard even a note of either any of the new material or him playing an 8-string in general.
It's weird. My reaction to JP potentially using an 8-string was really positive. More of "wow, cool, that'd be different." This is the first DT record since ADToE that I am actually looking forward to. I think after JP got TA out of his system, it appears this is a whole band effort, and hell, even JLB was in on the writing sessions. It'll be nice to hear what they've all come up with, as a band, even if the main ideas likely started with JP and JR, of course.
If I'd heard JP might be using an 8-string before I started listening to Haken a couple of years ago, I would be massively hesitant... JP did wonders with 7-strings back when those were new, so I would have still been on board, but as I say, I'd be hesitant.
After having heard Haken show "No no, this is how you use an 8-string", I honestly would be totally on-board with JP using an 8-string.
Perhaps a dumb question, but why are we assuming that an 8-string guitar would be strung with two strings tuned below the low-E on a standard 6-string guitar? Why not string it, e.g., BEADGBEA?
Back when Steve Vai was experimenting to create the modern electric 7-string guitar, his early prototypes used EADGBEA tuning. Problem is, the high string was so high, and thus had to be so thin and so tightly-wound, it would snap constantly and easily, and ultimately didn't really give much useful benefit.
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Perhaps a dumb question, but why are we assuming that an 8-string guitar would be strung with two strings tuned below the low-E on a standard 6-string guitar? Why not string it, e.g., BEADGBEA?
Same reason we assume a 7 string isn't tuned EADGBEA. DT have generally used things as they are intended.
Well...wait a minute. "as intended"? As intended by whom? The limited amount of googling I did on the subject indicated plenty of folks who have expanded in both directions.
By the way, I play a 5-string bass tuned EADGC, so....
People have been experimenting with adding higher pitched strings, though it is not popular on electric guitars, cause this string needs to be thinner and it makes it less break resistant. Imagine like 0.06 or 0.07 string gauge for E A D G B E A. Lots of interesting alternatives though, like open tunings (Devin FTW!) or B E A D Gb B E (like B Standard with added high E).
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As much as JP regularly experiments with and plays in alternative tunings, I think it's kind of silly to assume any given tuning on the new album, no matter how many strings are involved. I also think it is equally silly to react strongly against the possibility of him using an 8-string before we've heard even a note of either any of the new material or him playing an 8-string in general.
I would say he experiments with a lot of dropped tunings but I didn't think he got into many alternate tunnings. Could be wrong though? Would be cool to hear him play in some open tunings and such.
He really doesn't do a lot of alternate tunings. Most of his stuff is standard, drop D, seven string standard, or a couple where the guitar is tuned down to C standard or drop C.
To my knowledge, he's only used (with some examples):
E standard (most songs)
D standard (Forsaken)
E flat standard (I think SOC and TROAE)
Drop D (Home, ONW)
C standard (ANTR)
A standard (These Walls)
A sharp standard (Panic Attack, Wither)
7 string standard (most 7 string songs)
7 string down a whole step (Illumination Theory)
It's possible I missed one or two, but I think I covered it. So mostly, he uses variations of the 6 and 7 string standard tunings, with the occasional drop tuning. But he doesn't use do any crazy alternate tunings like the Periphery guys or Mark Tremonti. I think it could be extremely interesting though if he tried. I use a couple of open tunings, which are extremely fun, and also very expansive for my writing. If I start to get writers block, grabbing a guitar in a different tuning really helps. In a way, it almost feels like picking up a different instrument which is fresh and exciting.
Yup, I think you're right - basically he just uses standard or drop D style tunings tuned to different keys. I agree that some open tunings might be cool.
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So.. any are there any non-musical nerds here other than me who want to talk about aspects of the new album other than string tunings?
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So.. any are there any non-musical nerds here other than me who want to talk about aspects of the new album other than string tunings?
Sure....given that the album hasn't even started recording (as far as we know), what aspects of this non-existent album would you like to discuss? ;-)
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Pretty much anything that I can understand would be great :biggrin:
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Pretty much anything that I can understand would be great :biggrin:
The album cover will likely have pictures on it. It will have words too, but don't fret over that. They aren't that important. :biggrin:
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I hear the cover will be in drop magenta hue.
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Pictures and Words would make an awesome title for an album!
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:rollin
watch this be DT's Black Album, neither pictures nor words
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Pictures and Words would make an awesome title for an album!
Or Images and Terms.
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:rollin
watch this be DT's Black Album, neither pictures nor words
I bet the cover's prevalent color will be black
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Pictures and Words would make an awesome title for an album!
Or Images and Terms.
Pictures and Terms (legit) ;D
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Pictures and Words would make an awesome title for an album!
Or Images and Terms.
Pictures and Terms (legit) ;D
Yup! :biggrin:
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Pictures and Words would make an awesome title for an album!
Or Images and Terms.
Pictures and Terms (legit) ;D
Burgers and Chicken Wings.
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:rollin
watch this be DT's Black Album, neither pictures nor words
None more words.
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Now THAT was an awesome update.
John P on the DT FB page.
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Now THAT was an awesome update.
John P on the DT FB page.
Yep, that answers my question about tracking xD
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And also :
https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016)
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And also :
https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016)
Was that a single bass drum I saw?
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And also :
https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016)
Was that a single bass drum I saw?
Easier to mic, takes up less room, and can still utilize a double pedal. I really hope the drums sounds great on this thing.
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And also :
https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016)
Was that a single bass drum I saw?
Easier to mic, takes up less room, and can still utilize a double pedal. I really hope the drums sounds great on this thing.
Me too... it's time for MANGINI UNLEASHED!
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And also :
https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016)
Was that a single bass drum I saw?
For recording, single kick is much easier.
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I've been given Top Fan badge by Dream Theater on Facebook. Now every comment and post I make on their FB page has me labeled as a Top Fan. Huhuhu. Their fan interaction for this album is amazing.
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They finally started recording! :metal
It's interesting that we still have no clue on who's engineering/mixing the album. Might be a pleasant surprise and they want to keep it a secret for now...
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Are they back in Bear Track?
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Are they back in Bear Track?
I think I remember hearing that Bear Tracks was torn down. Can anyone else confirm?
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And also :
https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016)
I know he’s just warming up in the video, but if it’s any indication of what the drum parts will sound like on the record, this might be Mike’s most groove oriented album performance since he joined the band.
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And also :
https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016)
I know he’s just warming up in the video, but if it’s any indication of what the drum parts will sound like on the record, this might be Mike’s most groove oriented album performance since he joined the band.
On top of that, listening to the video on my studio monitors, the snare sounds like it could be promising!
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I like how he mentions the studio and the seclusion and how that's important to this album. It wasn't the first time he said it, but he keeps saying it, and I feel like this is really going to pay off. The way they are talking to the fans and the look on JP's face, just looks like he's excited and it's making us all excited.
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I like how he mentions the studio and the seclusion and how that's important to this album. It wasn't the first time he said it, but he keeps saying it, and I feel like this is really going to pay off. The way they are talking to the fans and the look on JP's face, just looks like he's excited and it's making us all excited.
Yup totally agree. My original comment about recording where they demoed everything was that they couldn't because that place wasn't equipped for professional tracking, so DT proved me wrong by basically bringing in gear to outfit the place to be able to record there. :lol
Looks like a nice setup, pretty clean and streamlined, some outboard gear, nice studio monitors looks fun. Also, MM recording with one kick drum is good, IMO. Easier to get good kick sounds with just one drum. They also have a good variety of room mics around the kit, hopefully some of that room vibe translates into the recording.
Great stuff from the band to keep us continually updated.
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You know what would be cool? For DT to release a full drum track of a song as a preview.
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You know what would be cool? For DT to release a full drum track of a song as a preview.
Hmm, that would be different for sure. Not sure if I'd like that or not.
I definitely like having the option of purchasing stems in an album package when the record is released, but as a first taste, I'm not sure.
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You know what would be cool? For DT to release a full drum track of a song as a preview.
That would be awesome.
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It makes no sense. It's like asking for a painter to preview a painting in the works, but just showing the brushstrokes of a certain color. It's incomplete and doesn't reflect the purpose of the entire project...
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People would be straining their ears to try to hear the song through MM's headphone bleed
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Are they back in Bear Track?
BearTracks Studios has been closed for at least a decade (whether it's been "torn down" I have no idea). They're recording the same place where they wrote it (as JP said in the video).
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And also :
https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016)
I know he’s just warming up in the video, but if it’s any indication of what the drum parts will sound like on the record, this might be Mike’s most groove oriented album performance since he joined the band.
On top of that, listening to the video on my studio monitors, the snare sounds like it could be promising!
But doesn't that just mean that it sounds good in the studio and that's it? Can't it be later "ruined" during the mixing stage? I'm legitimately asking this, I actually have no idea how all of this drum sound stuff works :lol
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But doesn't that just mean that it sounds good in the studio and that's it? Can't it be later "ruined" during the mixing stage? I'm legitimately asking this, I actually have no idea how all of this drum sound stuff works :lol
Yes. Just because a snare drum sounds good in a room does not mean it will sound good on a recording. SO many things can be done to snare drum once recorded that could drastically alter or even complete replace the natural sound of the drum. Supplementing with samples, EQ, compression, etc... can totally change the sound of the snare we will eventually hear on the album.
That said, I think it's still encouraging to hear a good, solid, normal snare sound since they toyed with the de-tuned sound on DT12.
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You know what would be cool? For DT to release a full drum track of a song as a preview.
That would be awesome.
They should release a stem a week leading up to the release of the first single... Drums, then bass, vocals, keys, and finally guitar.
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Are they back in Bear Track?
BearTracks Studios has been closed for at least a decade (whether it's been "torn down" I have no idea). They're recording the same place where they wrote it (as JP said in the video).
Way NOT torn down. Could have been yours for a couple million. Fortunately this listing still has pictures up. I can almost picture James LaBrie shooting hoops.
https://www.landsofamerica.com/property/926-Haverstraw-Road-Suffern-New-York-10901/1680945
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Are they back in Bear Track?
BearTracks Studios has been closed for at least a decade (whether it's been "torn down" I have no idea). They're recording the same place where they wrote it (as JP said in the video).
Way NOT torn down. Could have been yours for a couple million. Fortunately this listing still has pictures up. I can almost picture James LaBrie shooting hoops.
https://www.landsofamerica.com/property/926-Haverstraw-Road-Suffern-New-York-10901/1680945
Only 2.6 million?!?!?!?!
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Are they back in Bear Track?
BearTracks Studios has been closed for at least a decade (whether it's been "torn down" I have no idea). They're recording the same place where they wrote it (as JP said in the video).
Way NOT torn down. Could have been yours for a couple million. Fortunately this listing still has pictures up. I can almost picture James LaBrie shooting hoops.
https://www.landsofamerica.com/property/926-Haverstraw-Road-Suffern-New-York-10901/1680945
Interesting that it was listed as residential property, with no mention of its life as a recording studio.
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I’m no audio engineer but it doesn’t look like the most acoustic friendly place to record drums with those big windows right behind him. but maybe they’ll make it work and it’ll sound better than the previous Mangini-era drum sounds.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHSzH7MoUSY
The drums are sounding pretty great so far!
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So whatever the hell MM was playing sounded fantastic.
And was the rest of it a commercial for Kingsford? Will the next installment have them all drinking Pepsis?
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So whatever the hell MM was playing sounded fantastic.
:iagree:
Although JP has to know that ANY snippet of music is going to be dissected to the microscopic level by the fans. There will be the 90% that ‘love it’ and the 10% that already know the album sucks because the keyboards sounded like the tone they used in ‘Solitary Shell’.
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I like how MM was not playing live in the vid. Hahaha
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That sounded great!
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So, all the guys in Dream Theater seem like they'd be fun to hang out with but more than that, I would really just love them to cook for me. Since they're being really good about taking fan suggestions, maybe they could have a competition where they cook for you. I mean, I'm not even saying they have to interact with us in any way, I just want to eat that food.
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I like how MM was not playing live in the vid. Hahaha
That's called "pre roll recording", it starts to execute the prior recorded take seconds before starting the new one. He recorded the first part, took a pause and started to record the second part with a few seconds of the playback to know where he should enter when the big red button REC is actually pressed... hehe
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I like how MM was not playing live in the vid. Hahaha
That's called "pre roll recording", it starts to execute the prior recorded take seconds before starting the new one. He recorded the first part, took a pause and started to record the second part with a few seconds of the playback to know where he should enter when the big red button REC is actually pressed... hehe
Yep :metal
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So, all the guys in Dream Theater seem like they'd be fun to hang out with but more than that, I would really just love them to cook for me. Since they're being really good about taking fan suggestions, maybe they could have a competition where they cook for you. I mean, I'm not even saying they have to interact with us in any way, I just want to eat that food.
Seriously. Those guys are eating well. I want those chicken thighs, damn it.
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I like how MM was not playing live in the vid. Hahaha
That's called "pre roll recording", it starts to execute the prior recorded take seconds before starting the new one. He recorded the first part, took a pause and started to record the second part with a few seconds of the playback to know where he should enter when the big red button REC is actually pressed... hehe
Yep :metal
So I watched it again and apparently I first watched the vid on a poor connection which is why the audio and the vid were not synced. :rollin
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Seriously. Those guys are eating well. I want those chicken thighs, damn it.
What's wrong with your own thighs?
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That several seconds makes me very happy so far!
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Anyone here was able to indentify if the hi-hats are back to its normal positions? Just curious about it...
I mean, with the hi-hats high the way they were during the composition phase, it's hard to believe that Mike could play something like the hi-hats patterns he plays on the The Looking Glass solo, which it's one of the things I love in his style of playing. I know, I know, he's Mike Mangini, but still...
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Very cool little snippet! Drums sounding great so far!
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That snippet really pumped me up! I feel like this will be the best MM album so far (and I loved them all, except for TA).
JP really upped his beard game. No wonder he follows all these pages on Instagram.
(https://i.redditmedia.com/abeq9lfY23l0QjenegiJK3xdH5AEpGW58f9zVJDV-28.png?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=640&s=0372d6119d562185070fc887d0f637e8)
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That was a pretty cool clip, sounded awesome. And of course the food looked great as usual.
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JP really upped his beard game. No wonder he follows all these pages on Instagram.
(https://i.redditmedia.com/abeq9lfY23l0QjenegiJK3xdH5AEpGW58f9zVJDV-28.png?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=640&s=0372d6119d562185070fc887d0f637e8)
:lol
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Seriously. Those guys are eating well. I want those chicken thighs, damn it.
What's wrong with your own thighs?
:lol Petrucci looks like he knows how to cook! Did you see how many thighs he had? :2metal:
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This is what I want to see... it looks like those guys are having an absolute blast writing and recording, just hanging out, and eating like kings.
That sounded great!
Yeah that sizzling chicken's making me hungry.
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These posts and updates are all I could ever ask for and more. Way to go, DT :metal
About the little snippet we heard there, when can we start to speculate about where it fits on a song or the album? :biggrin:
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These posts and updates are all I could ever ask for and more. Way to go, DT :metal
About the little snippet we heard there, when can we start to speculate about where it fits on a song or the album? :biggrin:
Agreed. This has been the awesome! They look like they're having an absolute blast.
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This is what I want to see... it looks like those guys are having an absolute blast writing and recording, just hanging out, and eating like kings.
That sounded great!
Yeah that sizzling chicken's making me hungry.
I'm not sure if these videos are making me more excited for the new album or more hungry!
New album title: Images & Barbecue or Metropolis Part 3: Scenes from a Rib Smoker
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Six Degrees of Grillin
So far we've seen burgers, wings, and thighs. What are the next three? Steaks? Hot Dogs? Sausage? Shrimp maybe?
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Ribs - Six Racks of Whole Lotta Rub.
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These posts and updates are all I could ever ask for and more. Way to go, DT :metal
About the little snippet we heard there, when can we start to speculate about where it fits on a song or the album? :biggrin:
That could have just been a warmup routine, right?
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These posts and updates are all I could ever ask for and more. Way to go, DT :metal
About the little snippet we heard there, when can we start to speculate about where it fits on a song or the album? :biggrin:
That could have just been a warmup routine, right?
No. Even aside from the fact that it is obvious from the video that he is recording an actual part of a song, the caption reads:
Here’s Mike in the studio recording a short proggy bit from the new album. Yes, that will be the album take and his reward will be some delicious BBQ chicken courtesy of chef JP!
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A Dramatic Flip of Patties?
Blackened Tips and Silverware?
A Change of Seasonings?
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No. Even aside from the fact that it is obvious from the video that he is recording an actual part of a song, the caption reads:
Here’s Mike in the studio recording a short proggy bit from the new album. Yes, that will be the album take and his reward will be some delicious BBQ chicken courtesy of chef JP!
Woops, I hadn't checked the new video yet when I posted this. I was talking about the first video. My bad xD
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It sounds very cool! What surprised me is how melodic/proggy it is, since they’ve said they’re working on a heavy album. Looks like it’ll be a very balanced album between prog and heavy elements :hefdaddy
Yes, all that just from a single snippet :P
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Dream Theater fans...able to make a judgment on an album based entirely on 20 seconds or so of music. Still...cool little segment. I would also like chicken thighs please.
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It sounds very cool! What surprised me is how melodic/proggy it is, since they’ve said they’re working on a heavy album. Looks like it’ll be a very balanced album between prog and heavy elements :hefdaddy
Indeed! of course to make assumptions about this clip is like thinking Black Clouds was ballad heavy by hearing the "Could this be the end" snippet in the little snippet that was released before the album, but it sounds like they concentrated on melody as you said and didn't for a chugga chugga wankfest. Sounds cool!
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I really really hope there's a version of the album with a little making of DT14 docu.
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Tbh that little proggy excerpt really sounds more like something I'd expect from a JR solo album or LTE. Has me kind of intrigued for the new album
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Tbh that little proggy excerpt really sounds more like something I'd expect from a JR solo album or LTE. Has me kind of intrigued for the new album
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. I love JR's solo albums and LTE so that's a good sign.
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Ugh, please not anything like LTE. Can't comment of any of Jordan's solo work.
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check out his album Rhythm of Time! standout tracks for me are Insectsamongus and Ra
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A Change of Seasonings?
:lol :lol :lol
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The clip does remind me of Rhythm of Time, and then leads into a variation of The Simpsons theme.
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Rhythm of Thyme, imo
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What I enjoyed about the clip...
It sounds amazing, it has that Inside Out record label feel to it. Meaning Inside Out lets their artists have full control and feel of their sound.
I felt, Since DT signed to RoadRunner they were appealing to that crowd. I feel DT belongs on Inside Out label now.
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After listening to it a couple more times it reminds me of Spock's Beard. :)
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To be honest it sounds like the style of Dream Theater that I'm not into as much. I was hoping for something more raw and heavy but at the same time almost every Dream Theater song has moments that I'm not into but I like the overall product. Either way it actually makes me more excited than I was just because it's great to hear something.
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Just sounds to me like a typical crazy instrumental passage that DT have always done.
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I really liked what I heard in that snippet :metal
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Dream Theater fans...able to make a judgment on an album based entirely on 20 seconds or so of music. Still...cool little segment. I would also like chicken thighs please.
100% Agree!
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Seeing the new clip has left me with a ton of new intriguing questions such as, what dd he season the chicken with and what sides will be served?
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Has anyone played the clip backwards to see if they're hiding anything?
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Yeah, it sayed "eat my wings and steaks" in morse code
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That clip sounds awesome. Can't wait to hear more.
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I wonder if we're gonna get updates from the studio at a fixed rate (like one per week) or if it's gonna be random. I already can't wait for the next one :metal
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlGLzB4nTuY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlGLzB4nTuY)
Drum tracking has finished. Plus another cool heavy snippet from the album. Mega! :metal
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlGLzB4nTuY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlGLzB4nTuY)
Drum tracking has finished. Plus another cool heavy snippet from the album. Mega! :metal
Thanks for link! Loved that heavy riff and MM's tone!
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Let’s pray the snare “cracks” like that once it’s all produced.
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ok, now that sounds badass. Definitely can deal with the non preferable stuff like the first proggy bit they shared if I can get more stuff like this
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I love how Dream Theater posts new videos after I ask innocent questions. I better start doing it more often. :lol
With that said, what comes next typically? Bass?
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https://www.facebook.com/7677942180/posts/10155438761127181/
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Love the crack
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How does JP find the time to be so great at so many things: Guitar/Musician. Master Chef. Dad. Gym. Laundry.
What a great role model.
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How does JP find the time to be so great at so many things: Guitar/Musician. Master Chef. Dad. Gym. Laundry.
What a great role model.
Don’t forget beard master and grizzly bear.
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who was playing the drums while Mangini and JP was talking? Or was that an audio of recorded drums?
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Probably playback yeah. Also, that's a LOT of cracken.
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who was playing the drums while Mangini and JP was talking? Or was that an audio of recorded drums?
It’s what he’s already recorded. It’s better to listen to that to count you in, instead of just a metronome count, especially if you’re tracking a part that’s like right in the middle of a musical section.
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And this one!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n (https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n)
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who was playing the drums while Mangini and JP was talking? Or was that an audio of recorded drums?
It’s what he’s already recorded. It’s better to listen to that to count you in, instead of just a metronome count, especially if you’re tracking a part that’s like right in the middle of a musical section.
I was talking about the part about JP cooking and MM playing in a PS. :-P
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JP mentioned that Rupert Neve Designs helped them transform the place into a recording studio. Would love to know what they did/provided. I know JP loves Neve preamps for recording electric guitar. Hope there's some info and possibly video on that for us studio gear nerds :o
Wonder if they might be recording into a RND console that then goes directly into Pro Tools, or if they're just going straight into digital from the source. Easy enough to have a combination of analog and digital these days if that's what the guys wanted.
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JP to start tracking guitars now: https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/photos/a.133462500039104.42405.126844294034258/2053557848029550/?type=3&theater :metal
Btw, looks like the engineer for this album is James "Jimmy T" Meslin, and not Rich Chycki. He was the assistant engineer on both DT12 and TA (according to allmusic) and seems to be doing it all by himself this time. Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.
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JP to start tracking guitars now: https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/photos/a.133462500039104.42405.126844294034258/2053557848029550/?type=3&theater :metal
WELL WELL WELL... This is turning out to be quicker than I expected.. :metal I bet we are going to get a single before 2019..
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I bet we are going to get a single before 2019..
Oh, definitely :metal
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JP to start tracking guitars now: https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/photos/a.133462500039104.42405.126844294034258/2053557848029550/?type=3&theater :metal
Btw, looks like the engineer for this album is James "Jimmy T" Meslin, and not Rich Chycki. He was the assistant engineer on both DT12 and TA (according to allmusic) and seems to be doing it all by himself this time. Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.
Great info, thanks. Looks possibly like two ribbons and a dynamic on the cab? Just guessing hard to tell with mic on far left.
Edit: actually looks like mic on far left could be a condenser or a dynamic like a Sennheiser MD421.
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Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.
Please, Godtrucci, never asked for anyone other than Jens Bogren. Let thy will be done. It will be what it needs to be. Amen
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Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.
Please, Godtrucci, never asked for anyone other than Jens Bogren. Let thy will be done. It will be what it needs to be. Amen
Amen.
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Awesome that drums are done already, that little heavy clip of a song in that video sounded great!
I also enjoyed that they specifically included a clip of the guys talking about the crack of the snare. :lol
On to guitar! :metal
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I love JP telling MM to chill out and wait because JP is making food! :lol :lol
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Guitars before bass? I thought that the rhythm section always gets recorded first.
Well, they did do demos so maybe the recording order is irrelevant.
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Not sure why, but I seem to remember JM coming in after the rhythm guitars were done. Don't remember why I think that.
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Guitars before bass? I thought that the rhythm section always gets recorded first.
Well, they did do demos so maybe the recording order is irrelevant.
I have a guitar magazine from 2008, where JP says they have always (unusually) recorded the bass last, because their music focuses on the interplay between guitar and drums.
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Guitars before bass? I thought that the rhythm section always gets recorded first.
Well, they did do demos so maybe the recording order is irrelevant.
Yea. Since they did high quality demos they have really solid bass lines for JP to groove with. Like you said it makes the recording order less important I would think.
Ah cool info Evai. Guess it wouldn't have mattered then, but definitely doesn't hurt to have those HQ multitracked demos. Can only help with feeling connected to the recording/record for a performer.
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A lot of guitar-based rock or metal bands record guitars before bass, it's very common in the genre and DT (to the best of my knowledge) have always recorded main rhythm guitars before bass.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BloB0YVjdWt/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=199qeskdfmbyq
JP and engineer finding the right tone (funny video on JP's Insta)
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BloB0YVjdWt/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=199qeskdfmbyq
JP and engineer finding the right tone (funny video on JP's Insta)
Turn down your speakers though... Just a heads up.
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It's so nice to see they're having fun. Can't wait for this damn album.
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I like that heavy snippet! It's heavy without being overblown, heavy like the intro of The Mirror (few simple notes that hit you like a concrete wall), not Chugga-chugga-wanka-wanka-drllldrlldrll-play-a-million-notes-because-you-can heavy. Looking forward to it!
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BloB0YVjdWt/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=199qeskdfmbyq
JP and engineer finding the right tone (funny video on JP's Insta)
So, DT12 was chocolate cake tone, now it's T-Rex roar tone? :lol
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That's funny!
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BloB0YVjdWt/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=199qeskdfmbyq
JP and engineer finding the right tone (funny video on JP's Insta)
:lol I love that they are really having fun with the fans this time around.
In all seriousness, that JP sig guitar he has in that video is lovely.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BloB0YVjdWt/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=199qeskdfmbyq
JP and engineer finding the right tone (funny video on JP's Insta)
So, DT12 was chocolate cake tone, now it's T-Rex roar tone? :lol
That's before they got the mids in check :lol
Maybe now it's more like a Plesiosaur.
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I also liked the keyboard in that snippet. Sounds like a dark song, which I love.
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I don't really understand how the music business works, but it seems like the whole album will be recorded and mixed by like September. Do we really need to wait until 2019 to get our hands on the thing? :lol
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I don't really understand how the music business works, but it seems like the whole album will be recorded and mixed by like September. Do we really need to wait until 2019 to get our hands on the thing? :lol
They have to master it, they have to prepare the promotional campaign, they have to organize interviews, they have to get the hype going, they have to physically mass produce all the CDs etc.... yeah, maybe it can be done quicker if one wants it, but there are certain timeframes for that.
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I don't really understand how the music business works, but it seems like the whole album will be recorded and mixed by like September. Do we really need to wait until 2019 to get our hands on the thing? :lol
I think it depends much more on the label's schedule than on the band's will... At the end of the year it'll be one full year since they got signed to IO, and haven't released anything. Hope they anticipate the release. For like... November. So I get a nice bd gift :biggrin:
I don't really understand how the music business works, but it seems like the whole album will be recorded and mixed by like September. Do we really need to wait until 2019 to get our hands on the thing? :lol
They have to master it, they have to prepare the promotional campaign, they have to organize interviews, they have to get the hype going, they have to physically mass produce all the CDs etc.... yeah, maybe it can be done quicker if one wants it, but there are certain timeframes for that.
And we still have all the possible interesting gadgets for the special/deluxe releases, so they might need some time producing those... Assuming that IO handle things differently than RRR.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BloB0YVjdWt/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=199qeskdfmbyq
JP and engineer finding the right tone (funny video on JP's Insta)
Funny!
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I like that heavy snippet! It's heavy without being overblown, heavy like the intro of The Mirror (few simple notes that hit you like a concrete wall), not Chugga-chugga-wanka-wanka-drllldrlldrll-play-a-million-notes-because-you-can heavy. Looking forward to it!
It's actually very similar to Outcry riff at 2 min
I'd dare to assume that this album will resemble ADTOE the most
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I don't really understand how the music business works, but it seems like the whole album will be recorded and mixed by like September. Do we really need to wait until 2019 to get our hands on the thing? :lol
They have to master it, they have to prepare the promotional campaign, they have to organize interviews, they have to get the hype going, they have to physically mass produce all the CDs etc.... yeah, maybe it can be done quicker if one wants it, but there are certain timeframes for that.
I've noticed it takes about 8-9 months from the day they start writing until the day of release. A couple of examples being ToT (3/10/2003 to 11/11/03) and ADToE (1/3/2011 to 9/12/2011)
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Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.
Please, Godtrucci, never asked for anyone other than Jens Bogren. Let thy will be done. It will be what it needs to be. Amen
Amen.
Or just ask Nolly :corn
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I like that heavy snippet! It's heavy without being overblown, heavy like the intro of The Mirror (few simple notes that hit you like a concrete wall), not Chugga-chugga-wanka-wanka-drllldrlldrll-play-a-million-notes-because-you-can heavy. Looking forward to it!
It's actually very similar to Outcry riff at 2 min
I'd dare to assume that this album will resemble ADTOE the most
I wouldn't mind that. I love ADTOE.
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Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.
Please, Godtrucci, never asked for anyone other than Jens Bogren. Let thy will be done. It will be what it needs to be. Amen
Amen.
Or just ask Nolly :corn
Another excellent option to give'em that nice modern wonderfully balanced sound, I wouldn't mind either.
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Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.
Please, Godtrucci, never asked for anyone other than Jens Bogren. Let thy will be done. It will be what it needs to be. Amen
Amen.
Or just ask Nolly :corn
Another excellent option to give'em that nice modern wonderfully balanced sound, I wouldn't mind either.
I agree. I would think they would have gotten him to help with the drum sound though. He's a magician when it comes to recording drums.
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Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.
Please, Godtrucci, never asked for anyone other than Jens Bogren. Let thy will be done. It will be what it needs to be. Amen
Amen.
Or just ask Nolly :corn
Another excellent option to give'em that nice modern wonderfully balanced sound, I wouldn't mind either.
I agree. I would think they would have gotten him to help with the drum sound though. He's a magician when it comes to recording drums.
Yeah, Haken already knows it, hope that DT could go the same way, wishful thinking..
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It’s sometimes nice to be completely ignorant when it comes to production, mixing, etc... I don’t hear anything wrong with the drums on any of the last 3 albums.
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I don't really understand how the music business works, but it seems like the whole album will be recorded and mixed by like September. Do we really need to wait until 2019 to get our hands on the thing? :lol
Recording seems to be on track to finish mid-late August, if we assume all the other four take a week or so each.
Call it another month for mixing (number picked basically from a hat!) and the album will exist in a finished format mid-September. There probably is an ambitious-but-doable timeline that would have the album out in 2018: Let’s say they’ve finalised the cover art by the time the mix is delivered, they could do a two month promo period and release in mid-November, or a more standard three month with a mid-December release.
I think the issue is that Christmas and the lead-up to Christmas is a bit of a pain for messaging. Every big mainstream franchise is competing for your attention with their mid-November, early-December release dates so you’ll buy their stuff for Christmas - and that’s not just the music industry. If you want to stand out, you need to bring your big boy pants - and in switching from RoadRunner to InsideOut, Dream Theater have just taken their big boy pants off and slipped into something more comfortable.
I’m not slagging off InsideOut by the way, they’re a perfectly cromulent record label and I’d be surprised if they didn’t do a good job of promoting the biggest band on their label! But I doubt they’ll want to go all-in on promoting it while everyone with a franchise is doing the same thing. I imagine we’ll get a reveal and a single this year, but January is a much safer time to be ramping up promo, with maybe an early February release?
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I think the new album will be released on January 25th and between the end of November and the beginning of December the first single
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Was there any progress with the third password??
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It's oFinallyFreeo
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Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.
Please, Godtrucci, never asked for anyone other than Jens Bogren. Let thy will be done. It will be what it needs to be. Amen
Amen.
Or just ask Nolly :corn
Another excellent option to give'em that nice modern wonderfully balanced sound, I wouldn't mind either.
I agree. I would think they would have gotten him to help with the drum sound though. He's a magician when it comes to recording drums.
Yeah, Haken already knows it, hope that DT could go the same way, wishful thinking..
Agreed, I'm still holding out hope that they have Nolly mix it though.
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Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.
Please, Godtrucci, never asked for anyone other than Jens Bogren. Let thy will be done. It will be what it needs to be. Amen
Amen.
Or just ask Nolly :corn
Another excellent option to give'em that nice modern wonderfully balanced sound, I wouldn't mind either.
I agree. I would think they would have gotten him to help with the drum sound though. He's a magician when it comes to recording drums.
Nolly does get good drum sounds.
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Nolly does get good drum sounds.
I see what you did there.
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The word for today is
cromulent
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The word for today is
cromulent
I find that sentiment most cromulent.
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I’m not slagging off InsideOut by the way, they’re a perfectly cromulent record label
Weren't the Cromulents a villain in Star Trek?
Was there any progress with the third password??
If only there were a dedicated thread for that. Maybe it could be called "Treasure Hunt." ;D
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I like how after all these years of people arguing about the snare sound, they went "Listen here, you little shits..." and released a video of them literally working on the snare sound.
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I like how after all these years of people arguing about the snare sound, they went "Listen here, you little shits..." and released a video of them literally working on the snare sound.
Yeah, and I love it. However, it could still be ruined during the mixing stage, according to some people here. I will remain positive, nonetheless.
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Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.
Please, Godtrucci, never asked for anyone other than Jens Bogren. Let thy will be done. It will be what it needs to be. Amen
Amen.
Or just ask Nolly :corn
Another excellent option to give'em that nice modern wonderfully balanced sound, I wouldn't mind either.
I agree. I would think they would have gotten him to help with the drum sound though. He's a magician when it comes to recording drums.
Yeah, Haken already knows it, hope that DT could go the same way, wishful thinking..
Agreed, I'm still holding out hope that they have Nolly mix it though.
Good options for me would be Jens Bogren, Nolly and Kevin Shirley.
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I like how after all these years of people arguing about the snare sound, they went "Listen here, you little shits..." and released a video of them literally working on the snare sound.
If only the snare sounded good, it would have been a great middle finger.
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I’m not slagging off InsideOut by the way, they’re a perfectly cromulent record label
Weren't the Cromulents a villain in Star Trek?
Was there any progress with the third password??
If only there were a dedicated thread for that. Maybe it could be called "Treasure Hunt." ;D
So "cromulent" is the third password? :omg:
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It’s sometimes nice to be completely ignorant when it comes to production, mixing, etc... I don’t hear anything wrong with the drums on any of the last 3 albums.
This! I never noticed anything wrong that jumped out at me with the recordings. I just enjoyed the music and didn't try to pick it apart.
Maybe I should re-listen to everything and find a new hobby by critiquing the sound production on each drum. It might be alot of fun! :tup :tdwn 😎
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Good options for me would be Jens Bogren, Nolly and Kevin Shirley.
I'd be thrilled with any of these. Maybe Steven Wilson, too.
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Good options for me would be Jens Bogren, Nolly and Kevin Shirley.
I'd be thrilled with any of these. Maybe Steven Wilson, too.
SW's approach to calm/atmospheric prog is fine. Metal? Hmmm. Dunno
His works as engineer/mixer/producer with Anathema went great, AFAIK... Well, there's the productions along Mikael Åkerfeldt, which could show his skills with heavier stuff.
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I like how after all these years of people arguing about the snare sound, they went "Listen here, you little shits..." and released a video of them literally working on the snare sound.
If only the snare sounded good, it would have been a great middle finger.
:lol It was a pretty typical sounding snare - it didn't sound great, it didn't sound bad. It was also what looked like phone recording from another room.
I still have hope!
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I’m not slagging off InsideOut by the way, they’re a perfectly cromulent record label
Weren't the Cromulents a villain in Star Trek?
I had a cromulent for breakfast.
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The word for today is
cromulent
It's a perfectly cromulent word. It embiggens the discourse.
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I’m not slagging off InsideOut by the way, they’re a perfectly cromulent record label
Weren't the Cromulents a villain in Star Trek?
I had a cromulent for breakfast.
If I recall correctly, MP's octabarns were extremely cromulent.
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The word for today is
cromulent
It's a perfectly cromulent word. It embiggens the discourse.
A cromulent snare embiggens the overall drum sound.
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I love the instant comedic understanding between these two. How does on even come up with a line like: 'it sounds like there's a plummer in the room' and then John instantly replying: "and his name is Phil McCracken". I mean, come on. That's gold.
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I love the instant comedic understanding between these two. How does on even come up with a line like: 'it sounds like there's a plummer in the room' and then John instantly replying: "and his name is Phil McCracken". I mean, come on. That's gold.
"That's Gold Jerry... GOLD!" I'd like to see JMX crank out his version of the Seinfeld theme; maybe make it an easter egg on the album.
Enjoying the updates just like everyone else; and it's nice to see them having fun in each other's company.
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I love the instant comedic understanding between these two. How does on even come up with a line like: 'it sounds like there's a plummer in the room' and then John instantly replying: "and his name is Phil McCracken". I mean, come on. That's gold.
"That's Gold Jerry... GOLD!" I'd like to see JMX crank out his version of the Seinfeld theme; maybe make it an easter egg on the album.
Fun fact, the Seinfeld opening theme was recorded for each individual episode to perfectly sink up with the first line.
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I love the instant comedic understanding between these two. How does on even come up with a line like: 'it sounds like there's a plummer in the room' and then John instantly replying: "and his name is Phil McCracken". I mean, come on. That's gold.
"That's Gold Jerry... GOLD!" I'd like to see JMX crank out his version of the Seinfeld theme; maybe make it an easter egg on the album.
Fun fact, the Seinfeld opening theme was recorded for each individual episode to perfectly sink up with the first line.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Aren't we at war with the Cromulents and their big shoulder pads and pointy eyebrows?
My favourite "in sync" moment is from the LaB tour video where MP is talking about the guys not hearing the cowbell and they do the "he's got a feva!" thing from SnL. Now that's gold, Jerry, GOLD!
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My favourite "in sync" moment is from the LaB tour video where MP is talking about the guys not hearing the cowbell and they do the "he's got a feva!" thing from SnL. Now that's gold, Jerry, GOLD!
Funny I distinctly remember that (was it from the L@B video?) and did not know the reference, and thus thought it was the most random comment.
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My favourite "in sync" moment is from the LaB tour video where MP is talking about the guys not hearing the cowbell and they do the "he's got a feva!" thing from SnL. Now that's gold, Jerry, GOLD!
Funny I distinctly remember that (was it from the L@B video?) and did not know the reference, and thus thought it was the most random comment.
It's from the "Riding the Train of Thought" documentary on the Budokan video. I just watched it within the last couple weeks.
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Day 3 of guitar tracking about to begin :
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bls-BTHB-oH/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=9d236twf1qh3 (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bls-BTHB-oH/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=9d236twf1qh3)
B.Lee
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Day 3 of guitar tracking about to begin :
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bls-BTHB-oH/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=9d236twf1qh3 (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bls-BTHB-oH/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=9d236twf1qh3)
B.Lee
That’s a baritone guitar :metal
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Funny. It’s the same one he’s been using since the Systematic Chaos tour.
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Good options for me would be Jens Bogren, Nolly and Kevin Shirley.
I'd be thrilled with any of these. Maybe Steven Wilson, too.
SW's approach to calm/atmospheric prog is fine. Metal? Hmmm. Dunno
Listen to Opeth’s Blackwater Park. Steven Wilson can absolutely produce metal.
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Good options for me would be Jens Bogren, Nolly and Kevin Shirley.
I'd be thrilled with any of these. Maybe Steven Wilson, too.
SW's approach to calm/atmospheric prog is fine. Metal? Hmmm. Dunno
Listen to Opeth’s Blackwater Park. Steven Wilson can absolutely produce metal.
Didn't know he produced this beauty. Yeah, he can produce metal for sure...
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I think he's said in the past that he's not a huge fan of Dream Theater so not sure he would be interested even if asked, which he probably won't be.
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Yeah, he’s not a DT guy. He liked Repentance, but his apology on Repentance was for an interview where he was talking about how much he doesn’t like DT.
DT aren’t really a very Wilsonny band, either. There’s more crossover than there used to be now that he’s doing more openly progressive stuff, but DT are a bit too... majestic? SW’s style is a lot more atmospheric. They’re probably the two biggest progressive artists of the current generation, but I don’t think they’d combine well.
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I would think Jens Bogren would be a good fit with DT as far as producer and engineer, mixer, and mastering. What Jens has done with Fates Warning, Haken (and a lot of bands) has been nothing short of phenomenal.
Still not sure who is the recording engineer for this album.
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Still not sure who is the recording engineer for this album.
People keep saying it's some guy named "Jimmy T" who apparently does their live sound or something? Not really sure beyond that...
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Yeah, he’s not a DT guy. He liked Repentance, but his apology on Repentance was for an interview where he was talking about how much he doesn’t like DT.
DT aren’t really a very Wilsonny band, either. There’s more crossover than there used to be now that he’s doing more openly progressive stuff, but DT are a bit too... majestic? SW’s style is a lot more atmospheric. They’re probably the two biggest progressive artists of the current generation, but I don’t think they’d combine well.
Agree. Steven Wilson/Porcupine Tree are totally different than DT. Seems pretty obvious to me.
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Not sure what the normal process is, but would a producer not normally be involved in the early stages of recording too? I mean, if there was a certain type of sound they wanted to go for, would this not affect the process of miking up drums, amps as well?
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Not sure what the normal process is, but would a producer not normally be involved in the early stages of recording too? I mean, if there was a certain type of sound they wanted to go for, would this not affect the process of miking up drums, amps as well?
Yeah, a producer is a bit like a film director - they're making creative suggestions, they're helping the album take shape. They'd be in basically from the start.
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Still not sure who is the recording engineer for this album.
People keep saying it's some guy named "Jimmy T" who apparently does their live sound or something? Not really sure beyond that...
James Meslin “Jimmy T”. JP said he and Maddi worked hard on making the studio ready for recording. He’s appeared on a few videos they’ve posted about the writing/recording, and he’s listed as assistant recording engineer on both DT12 and TA. On his Facebook says he works as an audio engineer for Cove City Sound Studios (where they recorded ADTOE, DT12 and TA), and also has “Audio and sorts” for DT listed in their same section. He isn’t their live sound guy, though.
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Not sure what the normal process is, but would a producer not normally be involved in the early stages of recording too? I mean, if there was a certain type of sound they wanted to go for, would this not affect the process of miking up drums, amps as well?
Yeah, a producer is a bit like a film director - they're making creative suggestions, they're helping the album take shape. They'd be in basically from the start.
Actually an album producer isn't much like a film director at all. A film director is calling all the shots on the set, and depending on who he is and the project, he has a hand in the casting, the set design, the script, the editing, and whatever else he/she wants to be involved with.
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James Meslin “Jimmy T”. JP said he and Maddi worked hard on making the studio ready for recording. He’s appeared on a few videos they’ve posted about the writing/recording, and he’s listed as assistant recording engineer on both DT12 and TA. On his Facebook says he works as an audio engineer for Cove City Sound Studios (where they recorded ADTOE, DT12 and TA), and also has “Audio and sorts” for DT listed in their same section. He isn’t their live sound guy, though.
Ah gotcha, thanks. I see on LinkedIn he does have "Sound Tech" for DT on his resume over the last several years.
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https://youtu.be/ODM9vvvXWD8
DT14 studio video 1: technical prog madness. Check.
DT14 studio video 2: dark drop C groove. Check.
DT14 studio video 3: heavy (drop A?) riff. Check.
ToT part II. Anyone? :metal
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https://youtu.be/ODM9vvvXWD8
That little snippet at the end :metal
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https://youtu.be/ODM9vvvXWD8
That little snippet at the end :metal
Sounds heavy as fuck!
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https://youtu.be/ODM9vvvXWD8
That little snippet at the end :metal
Sounds heavy as fuck!
Indeed! Gave me an Awake vibe :metal
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I am liking the interaction this time around. Simple, here's what we are doing kinda thing. And the snippets sound great. I hope they don't destroy it in the mixing.
In other news, I think JM has an Instagram account now, and he's rather active.
https://www.instagram.com/jmyungimages/
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https://youtu.be/ODM9vvvXWD8
That little snippet at the end :metal
Sounds heavy as fuck!
Indeed! Gave me an Awake vibe :metal
:metal
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Smell My Beard 20 minute epic confirmed.
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That's actually the album title, Smell the Beard. I heard the label has some issues with the artwork, though...
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That's actually the album title, Smell the Beard. I heard the label has some issues with the artwork, though...
The cover artwork features John's current beard and every page of the booklet features the beard growing process. :rollin
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That's actually the album title, Smell the Beard. I heard the label has some issues with the artwork, though...
It's incredibly offensive to lumber jacks.
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That's actually the album title, Smell the Beard. I heard the label has some issues with the artwork, though...
It's incredibly offensive to lumber jacks.
That's actually the album title, Smell the Beard. I heard the label has some issues with the artwork, though...
The cover artwork features John's current beard and every page of the booklet features the beard growing process. :rollin
:rollin
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Still not sure who is the recording engineer for this album.
People keep saying it's some guy named "Jimmy T" who apparently does their live sound or something? Not really sure beyond that...
https://wario.wikia.com/wiki/Jimmy_T.
:justjen
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In other news, I think JM has an Instagram account now, and he's rather active.
https://www.instagram.com/jmyungimages/
As far as I know, not him.
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In other news, I think JM has an Instagram account now, and he's rather active.
https://www.instagram.com/jmyungimages/
As far as I know, not him.
Looks like a fan account to me.
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Still not sure who is the recording engineer for this album.
People keep saying it's some guy named "Jimmy T" who apparently does their live sound or something? Not really sure beyond that...
https://wario.wikia.com/wiki/Jimmy_T.
:justjen
:rollin :rollin
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That's actually the album title, Smell the Beard. I heard the label has some issues with the artwork, though...
What’s wrong with being sexy?
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That's actually the album title, Smell the Beard. I heard the label has some issues with the artwork, though...
Hold My Beard
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That new snippet sounds pretty djenty... looks like they're taking in more modern influences on this album. Obviously the first two snippets sound more like normal DT though.
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It’s sometimes nice to be completely ignorant when it comes to production, mixing, etc... I don’t hear anything wrong with the drums on any of the last 3 albums.
This! I never noticed anything wrong that jumped out at me with the recordings. I just enjoyed the music and didn't try to pick it apart.
Maybe I should re-listen to everything and find a new hobby by critiquing the sound production on each drum. It might be alot of fun! :tup :tdwn 😎
:lol
Exactly my thoughts.. Is not a thing of knowing about mixing/producing/etc to properly judge if you liked an album or not, but to just listen to the damn music.. Don't understand those who REALLY care about the sound, and who's the producer, etc... it's DT, who cares about all that?..
And this one!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n (https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n)
:rollin
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It’s sometimes nice to be completely ignorant when it comes to production, mixing, etc... I don’t hear anything wrong with the drums on any of the last 3 albums.
This! I never noticed anything wrong that jumped out at me with the recordings. I just enjoyed the music and didn't try to pick it apart.
Maybe I should re-listen to everything and find a new hobby by critiquing the sound production on each drum. It might be alot of fun! :tup :tdwn 😎
:lol
Exactly my thoughts.. Is not a thing of knowing about mixing/producing/etc to properly judge if you liked an album or not, but to just listen to the damn music.. Don't understand those who REALLY care about the sound, and who's the producer, etc... it's DT, who cares about all that?..
And this one!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n (https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n)
:rollin
I can understand your point, but IMO, of course the sound matters. At least to some extent.
I mean, if you compare the drums in FII to those in DT12, it just stands out that the depth of the sound is miles away from each other.
I think the worst drum sound was produced in DT12. In some songs (Enigma Machine for example) I can't stand the drums, they just sound so muddy and flat. It really hurts the whole listening experience for me.
For comparison (an exaggerated one, but still valid), it would be like the guitar solos were played without distortion (on a clean guitar). The notes and rhythm would still be the same, but the impact would be completely damaged.
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It’s sometimes nice to be completely ignorant when it comes to production, mixing, etc... I don’t hear anything wrong with the drums on any of the last 3 albums.
This! I never noticed anything wrong that jumped out at me with the recordings. I just enjoyed the music and didn't try to pick it apart.
Maybe I should re-listen to everything and find a new hobby by critiquing the sound production on each drum. It might be alot of fun! :tup :tdwn 😎
:lol
Exactly my thoughts.. Is not a thing of knowing about mixing/producing/etc to properly judge if you liked an album or not, but to just listen to the damn music.. Don't understand those who REALLY care about the sound, and who's the producer, etc... it's DT, who cares about all that?..
And this one!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n (https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n)
:rollin
I can understand your point, but IMO, of course the sound matters. At least to some extent.
I mean, if you compare the drums in FII to those in DT12, it just stands out that the depth of the sound is miles away from each other.
I think the worst drum sound was produced in DT12. In some songs (Enigma Machine for example) I can't stand the drums, they just sound so muddy and flat. It really hurts the whole listening experience for me.
For comparison (an exaggerated one, but still valid), it would be like the guitar solos were played without distortion (on a clean guitar). The notes and rhythm would still be the same, but the impact would be completely damaged.
I agree with you, liran95. And that is why I never listen to WDaDU and practically never to DT12.
B.Lee
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It’s sometimes nice to be completely ignorant when it comes to production, mixing, etc... I don’t hear anything wrong with the drums on any of the last 3 albums.
This! I never noticed anything wrong that jumped out at me with the recordings. I just enjoyed the music and didn't try to pick it apart.
Maybe I should re-listen to everything and find a new hobby by critiquing the sound production on each drum. It might be alot of fun! :tup :tdwn 😎
:lol
Exactly my thoughts.. Is not a thing of knowing about mixing/producing/etc to properly judge if you liked an album or not, but to just listen to the damn music.. Don't understand those who REALLY care about the sound, and who's the producer, etc... it's DT, who cares about all that?..
And this one!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n (https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n)
:rollin
I can understand your point, but IMO, of course the sound matters. At least to some extent.
I mean, if you compare the drums in FII to those in DT12, it just stands out that the depth of the sound is miles away from each other.
I think the worst drum sound was produced in DT12. In some songs (Enigma Machine for example) I can't stand the drums, they just sound so muddy and flat. It really hurts the whole listening experience for me.
For comparison (an exaggerated one, but still valid), it would be like the guitar solos were played without distortion (on a clean guitar). The notes and rhythm would still be the same, but the impact would be completely damaged.
I agree with you, liran95. And that is why I never listen to WDaDU and practically never to DT12.
B.Lee
Well, at least WD&DU has that certain do-it-youself vibe in its sound that I find pretty authentic. And it still sounds better than Spock's Beard's The Light which has the same vibe.
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Yeah, poor production doesn’t stop me from enjoying the music. It might suck, but I don’t completely discredit an album based on production. I love WDADU!
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I like WDADU too, I'd much rather listen to it than TA for instance. Some great songs on it.
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WDADU has great tunes on it. I never listen to the Charlie version but I always listen to the Reunite version.
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The production is far from the worst thing about that record. :P
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The production is far from the worst thing about that record. :P
For me, it's a tie between the production and the singing.
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I'm still waiting for the next video: DT 14 - Beard Lotion
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Is not a thing of knowing about mixing/producing/etc to properly judge if you liked an album or not, but to just listen to the damn music.. Don't understand those who REALLY care about the sound, and who's the producer, etc... it's DT, who cares about all that?..
I can understand your point, but IMO, of course the sound matters. At least to some extent.
I mean, if you compare the drums in FII to those in DT12, it just stands out that the depth of the sound is miles away from each other.
I think the worst drum sound was produced in DT12. In some songs (Enigma Machine for example) I can't stand the drums, they just sound so muddy and flat. It really hurts the whole listening experience for me.
For comparison (an exaggerated one, but still valid), it would be like the guitar solos were played without distortion (on a clean guitar). The notes and rhythm would still be the same, but the impact would be completely damaged.
The thing is that, when I listen to an album, I just only listen to the music.. Listen to the melodies, the chord progressions, riffs, solos, etc (and much more we have to pay attention to in regard to the music itself when is a prog band, you already have a lot of elements within the composition to listen to; why concentrate so much in the sound?)... I don't "compare" it with another album, at least regarding its sound.. I remember I was listening to DT12 like for the 10th time and was really into it, and starting to love more songs with each listening, when I decided to see what other people (in these forum and in yt/fb comments mostly) were thinking about the album, and found all this negative comments about the drum sound and general sound of the album, like... almost no one was talking about the music!..
Your example is not "exaggerated"; it just doesn't fit at all with what I was saying.. I wasn't talking about what type of sound each instrumentist wants for his instrument, but about how the album sounds after the mix and mastering.. So I don't get why DT fans (in general) are so critics of the production rather than the quality of music, when they actually have had at least from good to nearly excellent album productions.. Why remark all the time those few negative aspects that makes an only "good" production only just good and not better rather than the positive ones, or, once again, the content itself?..
I mean, I understand what you're saying, because I can say that it happens to me, in some extent, with WDADU, and (to name other bands) with Animations self-title album or Metallica's Kill'em All.. But with the recent DT albums?.. Not at all..
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Audiophiles are people too.
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The thing is that, when I listen to an album, I just only listen to the music.. Listen to the melodies, the chord progressions, riffs, solos, etc (and much more we have to pay attention to in regard to the music itself when is a prog band, you already have a lot of elements within the composition to listen to; why concentrate so much in the sound?)... I don't "compare" it with another album, at least regarding its sound.. I remember I was listening to DT12 like for the 10th time and was really into it, and starting to love more songs with each listening, when I decided to see what other people (in these forum and in yt/fb comments mostly) were thinking about the album, and found all this negative comments about the drum sound and general sound of the album, like... almost no one was talking about the music!..
Your example is not "exaggerated"; it just doesn't fit at all with what I was saying.. I wasn't talking about what type of sound each instrumentist wants for his instrument, but about how the album sounds after the mix and mastering.. So I don't get why DT fans (in general) are so critics of the production rather than the quality of music, when they actually have had at least from good to nearly excellent album productions.. Why remark all the time those few negative aspects that makes an only "good" production only just good and not better rather than the positive ones, or, once again, the content itself?..
I mean, I understand what you're saying, because I can say that it happens to me, in some extent, with WDADU, and (to name other bands) with Animations self-title album or Metallica's Kill'em All.. But with the recent DT albums?.. Not at all..
I'm with you on this 100% especially about people not talking about the music.
It really does seem like people aren't listening to the music as much as they're listening to each ingredient and trying to compare it with what it "should" sound like according to some kind of magic audio recipe.
I also agree that "audiophiles are people too" except that it seems like many of them look way down on those who aren't audiophiles and try to tell them what's good and what isn't based purely on "the math" and what it sounds like on a $35,000 home theater.
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I think, to me, the thing about this whole "sound quality" discussion is that I'm not a trained musician or have a good grasp of hearing what "perfect instrumental" quality sounds like. Therefore, when I read these kinds of comments that show up more often than not (this pretty much applies to any forum), I get frustrated at reading those comments. It's probably either because I can't understand it or I can't contribute to the conversation at hand since I don't have a perfect grasp of the matter discussed (which pops up a lot so frequently that it can't really be ignored). My thoughts mainly composes of, "this song sounds cool. I like it when x musician does this thing like a solo or an awesome riff kicking in or the vocal melodies, or whatnot." It's hardly ever "this song is produced beautifully. I can hear everything clearly and the instruments are mixed well." The only times I would say stuff along those lines is when the album sounds really really tolling to hear in the mix (a good example is sadly, Alter Bridge's The Last Hero album, still a great album though).
This is why I sorta get frustrated when I read some not so optimistic comments regarding DT12 (when it comes to the "sound" quality of it), because I can't tell if everything is produced and mixed in it optimally. I just hear an amazingly crafted album with some great songs and memorable parts of it, especially in the lyrics and vocal melodies. I even like Enigma Machine a lot and I read people deride that track a lot, but I just love the whimsical/playful aura of it and I place it as my 2nd favorite DT instrumental (behind Erotomania).
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You don't have to be a trained musician to know if something sounds bad.
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You don't have to be a trained musician to know if something sounds bad.
Yeah, we're not nitpicking when criticizing DT12 drum sound. The snare sounds so out of place, especially in softer sections. It actually distracts me from enjoying the music.
On the other hand, i feel like TA was such a big improvement.
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Well, I have had the opportunity to listen to most DT albums without any outside influence - only my own experience. And DT12 was very hard to get through because of its extremely loud master. The lacks of dynamics made listening to the album a very tiring experience, and it took me a lot longer to just... break through the loudness of it, and start digesting the actual music.
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I'm far from being a sound specialist and I can tell WDaDU and DT12 sound bad. I don't have a 35.000 dollar system, just my PC or my car. And I can tell they sound bad. For the people saying it doesn't distract them, good for them. Most of the time, it doesn't distract me, but in these cases, it does. And it's more of a fatigue that came upon me, because I've listened to these albums a lot to give them a fair chance. Now, it's just that I've been overwhelmed by how bad they sound to the point that I don't feel the urge to listen to them again.
B.Lee
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Guitar tone for DT14 explained :
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl81UTUhJmm/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1c1o0krx8rrbw (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl81UTUhJmm/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1c1o0krx8rrbw)
B.Lee
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Oh yeah, those pictures really help.
Looks like another commercial...
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Well, in truth they do help. For gearheads, this is golden. Knowing exactly how the amp is set up is enabling us to turn our own gear to the same setting.
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I appreciate the video for sure. These are great behind the scenes glimpses of what is happening.
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Yeah that actually is cool to see. JP has always been open about gear and settings, which is great. Some guitar players don't want people to see their settings or the mods that they make to their rig, like it's some secret, JP has never been like that. That micing configuration looks nice, especially that room mic far back.
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I just tried those settings, and... well, they do pack a punch. Not something I can play with usually - at least not at home.
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I just tried those settings, and... well, they do pack a punch. Not something I can play with usually - at least not at home.
:lol I'm assuming it was pretty darn loud based on the gain and master settings.
You have a JP2C?I've been wanting to try one out for a while, they look like killer amps.
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I do, along with a few JP sig guitars (and some pedals) - it's a killer amp. Very easy to use (much more so than any previous Mark), with the added benefit of the midi and the cabclone interface being onboard. And it is just perfect for that classic Mark IIc+ sound.
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That's awesome, like I said, I've been meaning to try one out. From a far it does look like the best of both worlds - that classic Boogie IIC+ sound along with modern features.
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Well, I have had the opportunity to listen to most DT albums without any outside influence - only my own experience. And DT12 was very hard to get through because of its extremely loud master. The lacks of dynamics made listening to the album a very tiring experience, and it took me a lot longer to just... break through the loudness of it, and start digesting the actual music.
That's the first album where I actually had to turn down the treble while listening to it. My treble is max for everything else and it's fine.
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While I can understand why people may think DT12 or WDADU sound bad, I cannot understand how people let I&W off the hook. Not just the drum sound, but the bass sounds relatively thin as well.
For the record, I do think people put too much emphasis on sound. For me, I've always been able to set that aside and enjoy it for what it is. WDADU is the, I think, objectively the worst sounding DT album but even I can look past that and enjoy it. It only takes about 30-40 seconds to just immerse yourself in it and concentrate on the music to look past it.
DT12 is loudly mastered which can be a pain but the snare is no worse than I&W.
Live at Luna Park doesn't have great drum sound but I found myself getting caught up in this sound talk and forgetting that overall, while its not great, it's not that bad either.
Of course, it helps that I used to (and still do occasionally) listen to underground black metal that sounds like it was recorded in a cave or forest so anything sounds better than that.
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For the record, I do think people put too much emphasis on sound. For me, I've always been able to set that aside and enjoy it for what it is. WDADU is the, I think, objectively the worst sounding DT album but even I can look past that and enjoy it. It only takes about 30-40 seconds to just immerse yourself in it and concentrate on the music to look past it.
Completely agree with all of this. To me, the snare sounds terrible on ACOS, but I can still enjoy the song and listen to it without a problem. Why? Because it's about enjoying the music. Even WDADU is a great album if you forget about the mix quality and focus on the songs and the band performances, it's a matter of perspective, I think.
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I'd rather listen to a new snippet, but I'm a spoiled brat. :p
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In other news, I think JM has an Instagram account now, and he's rather active.
https://www.instagram.com/jmyungimages/
As far as I know, not him.
Looks like a fan account to me.
The official DT account tags this account with pictures of JM. So it's pretty legit. If it is, JM also just confirmed that the new album will be released in 2019 a comment for one of his pictures.
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The new album will be released in a comment?.. A strange new method I must say..
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In other news, I think JM has an Instagram account now, and he's rather active.
https://www.instagram.com/jmyungimages/
As far as I know, not him.
Looks like a fan account to me.
The official DT account tags this account with pictures of JM. So it's pretty legit. If it is, JM also just confirmed that the new album will be released in a comment for one of his pictures.
What does "released in a comment" mean? Or were you saying that, in a comment, he "confirmed that the new album will be released"? If so, was there any real doubt "that the new album will be released"? Were there folks thinking that they might spend all the time and effort to write and record the album but not release it?
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Maybe he forgot the rest, but he mentions in said comment that the album will be released in (I actually don't know if this is allowed to be posted, so I edited it).
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It’s sometimes nice to be completely ignorant when it comes to production, mixing, etc... I don’t hear anything wrong with the drums on any of the last 3 albums.
This! I never noticed anything wrong that jumped out at me with the recordings. I just enjoyed the music and didn't try to pick it apart.
Maybe I should re-listen to everything and find a new hobby by critiquing the sound production on each drum. It might be alot of fun! :tup :tdwn 😎
:lol
Exactly my thoughts.. Is not a thing of knowing about mixing/producing/etc to properly judge if you liked an album or not, but to just listen to the damn music.. Don't understand those who REALLY care about the sound, and who's the producer, etc... it's DT, who cares about all that?..
And this one!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n (https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n)
:rollin
I can understand your point, but IMO, of course the sound matters. At least to some extent.
I mean, if you compare the drums in FII to those in DT12, it just stands out that the depth of the sound is miles away from each other.
I think the worst drum sound was produced in DT12. In some songs (Enigma Machine for example) I can't stand the drums, they just sound so muddy and flat. It really hurts the whole listening experience for me.
For comparison (an exaggerated one, but still valid), it would be like the guitar solos were played without distortion (on a clean guitar). The notes and rhythm would still be the same, but the impact would be completely damaged.
I agree with you, liran95. And that is why I never listen to WDaDU and practically never to DT12.
B.Lee
Well, at least WD&DU has that certain do-it-youself vibe in its sound that I find pretty authentic. And it still sounds better than Spock's Beard's The Light which has the same vibe.
Two of my all-time favorite albums. Both are far from sonic masterpieces. Perhaps The Light is a tad muddier but it likely didn't have the production budget When Dream And Day Unite did either. The attitude and the music more than make up for those shortcomings however.
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Maybe he forgot the rest, but he mentions in said comment that the album will be released in (I actually don't know if this is allowed to be posted, so I edited it).
John Myung is always leaking information which I heard is the real reason Kevin Moore left
Anyway, here is what the account mentioned in the comment.
jmyungimages@archidayat the new album Dream theater will be released in february 2019 🔥
There are similar awkwardly worded comments from "him." Check out this exchange where "John" posted a picture of a young John
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOHdiVyBXB4/?taken-by=jmyungimages
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I have been skeptical about that account for a white. The grammar indicates that the it’s not a native speaker writing. Words are often missing and the order is often wrong. Plus the account writes in a manner that is far from the personality we know of JM. I mean; “jmyungimages: Who anyone want to join my birthday wishes ? 😁
#dreamtheater #progrock #heavymetal #happybirthday #wish #progmetal #progbirthday”
So I sent JM a quick email: “Is this really your account?”
His response: “No, I don’t know who put this up.”
So that settles that.
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I have been skeptical about that account for a white. The grammar indicates that the it’s not a native speaker writing. Words are often missing and the order is often wrong. Plus the account writes in a manner that is far from the personality we know of JM. I mean; “jmyungimages: Who anyone want to join my birthday wishes ? 😁
#dreamtheater #progrock #heavymetal #happybirthday #wish #progmetal #progbirthday”
So I sent JM a quick email: “Is this really your account?”
His response: “No, I don’t know who put this up.”
So that settles that.
Oops, I take my guess back. Thank you for the clarification.
The DT account should not be tagging it then.
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Well, I have had the opportunity to listen to most DT albums without any outside influence - only my own experience. And DT12 was very hard to get through because of its extremely loud master. The lacks of dynamics made listening to the album a very tiring experience, and it took me a lot longer to just... break through the loudness of it, and start digesting the actual music.
That's the first album where I actually had to turn down the treble while listening to it. My treble is max for everything else and it's fine.
I'm intrigued by this. Why would your treble be at "maximum for everything else"? I don't think I could listen to anything I own, on any system I own, at maximum treble. It would, almost literally, be a painful experience.
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I have been skeptical about that account for a white. The grammar indicates that the it’s not a native speaker writing. Words are often missing and the order is often wrong. Plus the account writes in a manner that is far from the personality we know of JM. I mean; “jmyungimages: Who anyone want to join my birthday wishes ? 😁
#dreamtheater #progrock #heavymetal #happybirthday #wish #progmetal #progbirthday”
So I sent JM a quick email: “Is this really your account?”
His response: “No, I don’t know who put this up.”
So that settles that.
Well, shit, as long as you're spilling the beans on pertinent information, ask him if he wrote any lyrics for the new album. Ask him if Jelly Jam is going to tour and actually make it out of the eastern time zone. Ask him what his favorite Jordan Rudess app is.
Or just thanks for settling that.
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Oops, I take my guess back. Thank you for the clarification.
The DT account should not be tagging it then.
Maybe it's relevant to the 'Treasure Hunt'? I'm guessing not, because Noxon took the time to ask about the account. But still!
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I'm intrigued by this. Why would your treble be at "maximum for everything else"? I don't think I could listen to anything I own, on any system I own, at maximum treble. It would, almost literally, be a painful experience.
Really depends on the speakers/system. If your speakers are non-trebley/dark sounding it might sound fine with the treble all the way up. This could be especially true for someone with damaged HF hearing (like many drummers for instance) Not saying that's the case for that particular poster.
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I'm gonna go with Rick Jacobi as the album cover artist.
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Re production and sound:
Lyrics are also often dismissed as unimportant for many but all of it is a relevant part of the art. There is no aspect that can't enhance or detract from the experience. How individuals respond is, of course, infinitely variable but ALL of it is important.
A painter carefully selects a shade of paint for all areas of a painting. She won't blindly grab a tube of paint without looking, obviously. The canvas she paints on has an effect as well. The brush she uses, also.
When a publisher puts out a novel they select a particular font and size. When they publish a a graphic novel they make sure the printing is sharp and crisp. There are obvious reasons for making these decisions carefully. If it looks like you're reading the comic through obscured bathroom glass it detracts from the experience.
When someone makes a piece of furniture they choose a fabric that looks good and is strong and comfortable. And so on.
If you don't care how the drums sound or whether the frequencies are uncomfortable on the ear when you listen to a rock record, or what the words are on a song are, then you're only processing and appreciating a fraction of the whole. Which is fine. But you might as well eat the whole sandwich, seeing as you ordered it.
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If you don't care how the drums sound or whether the frequencies are uncomfortable on the ear when you listen to a rock record, or what the words are on a song are, then you're only processing and appreciating a fraction of the whole. Which is fine. But you might as well eat the whole sandwich, seeing as you ordered it.
*I* care, but I don't think the way a song it's mixed has that much importance to the product itself.. It's important? Yes.. But it's not that big a deal.. Music it's notes and how they are organized within a certain structure.. The drums (and bass, to an extent), to these ears of mine, are very necessary elements to the whole picture, but the main instruments are the rest.. And, in my case, there have never been a frequency or type of album sounding that I've disliked so much to concentrate on it rather than the melodies or chord progressions of a song, which are, for me, the 90% of any musical piece of art, which is very far from your 50-50..
Either way, I have nothing against those who think like you, and give the same relevance to the sound-itself than the music-itself.. What I find very unfortunate is that most discussions about the quality of an album or the reasons behind our opinions of them end up being about the sound/production and not about the music per se... which is very different..
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Well, I have had the opportunity to listen to most DT albums without any outside influence - only my own experience. And DT12 was very hard to get through because of its extremely loud master. The lacks of dynamics made listening to the album a very tiring experience, and it took me a lot longer to just... break through the loudness of it, and start digesting the actual music.
That's the first album where I actually had to turn down the treble while listening to it. My treble is max for everything else and it's fine.
I'm intrigued by this. Why would your treble be at "maximum for everything else"? I don't think I could listen to anything I own, on any system I own, at maximum treble. It would, almost literally, be a painful experience.
It's a stock car stereo, so it's not very loud. Usually bass is mid and treble is max, sounds fine to me. Unless my hearing is so damaged that I can't hear highs well, which could be the case. But with DT12 the highs sound louder than other albums.
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I'm gonna go with Rick Jacobi as the album cover artist.
Wait? Freddy is that you?
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I have been skeptical about that account for a white. The grammar indicates that the it’s not a native speaker writing. Words are often missing and the order is often wrong. Plus the account writes in a manner that is far from the personality we know of JM. I mean; “jmyungimages: Who anyone want to join my birthday wishes ? 😁
#dreamtheater #progrock #heavymetal #happybirthday #wish #progmetal #progbirthday”
So I sent JM a quick email: “Is this really your account?”
His response: “No, I don’t know who put this up.”
So that settles that.
That profile used to follow an Indonesian 9gag fake page, so that gave it away too. I just don't understand Give me one more chance why so many fake pages have been popping up from there lately.
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I have been skeptical about that account for a white. The grammar indicates that the it’s not a native speaker writing. Words are often missing and the order is often wrong. Plus the account writes in a manner that is far from the personality we know of JM. I mean; “jmyungimages: Who anyone want to join my birthday wishes ? 😁
#dreamtheater #progrock #heavymetal #happybirthday #wish #progmetal #progbirthday”
So I sent JM a quick email: “Is this really your account?”
His response: “No, I don’t know who put this up.”
So that settles that.
Good to know. But his Twitter account is ABSOLUTELY real. https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16833.0
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I have been skeptical about that account for a white. The grammar indicates that the it’s not a native speaker writing. Words are often missing and the order is often wrong. Plus the account writes in a manner that is far from the personality we know of JM. I mean; “jmyungimages: Who anyone want to join my birthday wishes ? 😁
#dreamtheater #progrock #heavymetal #happybirthday #wish #progmetal #progbirthday”
So I sent JM a quick email: “Is this really your account?”
His response: “No, I don’t know who put this up.”
So that settles that.
Good to know. But his Twitter account is ABSOLUTELY real. https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16833.0
:rollin
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I have been skeptical about that account for a white. The grammar indicates that the it’s not a native speaker writing. Words are often missing and the order is often wrong. Plus the account writes in a manner that is far from the personality we know of JM. I mean; “jmyungimages: Who anyone want to join my birthday wishes ? 😁
#dreamtheater #progrock #heavymetal #happybirthday #wish #progmetal #progbirthday”
So I sent JM a quick email: “Is this really your account?”
His response: “No, I don’t know who put this up.”
So that settles that.
Good to know. But his Twitter account is ABSOLUTELY real. https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16833.0
lolz good times in that thread. :lol
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My spoiled self needs more video updates from JP.
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My spoiled self needs more video updates from JP.
He is at his guitar universe camp thing this week. So I'm guessing they are all taking a break for the week.
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My spoiled self needs more video updates from JP.
He is at his guitar universe camp thing this week. So I'm guessing they are all taking a break for the week.
Yea, there's plenty of media from the guitar camp, but can only be at one place at a time. I'm sure we'll get more updates in the next week or so.
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Oh, I had forgotten about the camp. I was beginning to believe that he was having issues in the studio. Silly me. Haha.
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I’m assuming JP finished tracking his rhythms before the camp, judging by the recent Instagram pic of JM? Probably gonna start him up on Monday maybe?
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I’m assuming JP finished tracking his rhythms before the camp, judging by the recent Instagram pic of JM? Probably gonna start him up on Monday maybe?
The DT instagram account tagged the @jmyungimages account in that post, again :huh:
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The DT instagram account tagged the @jmyungimages account in that post, again :huh:
I'm starting to believe it has to do with the "Treasue hunt". No idea what for, though.
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I’m assuming JP finished tracking his rhythms before the camp, judging by the recent Instagram pic of JM? Probably gonna start him up on Monday maybe?
The DT instagram account tagged the @jmyungimages account in that post, again :huh:
My bet is that whoever manages DT's social media isn't aware that it isn't JM's account and just tags it without thinking too much about it.
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DT just posted a pic on Instagram of James in the studio with the caption “The calm before the storm”. Does this mean they’re going to track vocals already? I always thought vocals were the last thing to be recorded for a song/album.
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DT just posted a pic on Instagram of James in the studio with the caption “The calm before the storm”. Does this mean they’re going to track vocals already? I always thought vocals were the last thing to be recorded for a song/album.
No, they are covering Anathema's song. :neverusethis: :biggrin:
I is excited. :metal
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DT just posted a pic on Instagram of James in the studio with the caption “The calm before the storm”. Does this mean they’re going to track vocals already? I always thought vocals were the last thing to be recorded for a song/album.
No, they are covering Anathema's song. :neverusethis: :biggrin:
I is excited. :metal
Anathema's song title is the other way around. Gotta be Judas Priest cover.
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I’m assuming JP finished tracking his rhythms before the camp, judging by the recent Instagram pic of JM? Probably gonna start him up on Monday maybe?
Still don’t like the idea of tracking guitar before bass. JM should just be concentrating on locking in with Mangini. Sure hope he’s not mostly just playing the root notes of JP’s parts.
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I’m assuming JP finished tracking his rhythms before the camp, judging by the recent Instagram pic of JM? Probably gonna start him up on Monday maybe?
Still don’t like the idea of tracking guitar before bass. JM should just be concentrating on locking in with Mangini. Sure hope he’s not mostly just playing the root notes of JP’s parts.
Guitar is usually tracked before bass because it’s a lead instrument.
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I’m assuming JP finished tracking his rhythms before the camp, judging by the recent Instagram pic of JM? Probably gonna start him up on Monday maybe?
Still don’t like the idea of tracking guitar before bass. JM should just be concentrating on locking in with Mangini. Sure hope he’s not mostly just playing the root notes of JP’s parts.
But the bass should really support the riffs. It should not call attention to itself.
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Anyway, since they're at this stage of the tracking.... do you realize that, even though not completely finished, basically DT14 already "exists"? For all of us The Astonishing is DT's last album but the new album is already there. Sure, it's not all recorded but the songs are there, the lyrics most likely are all done. They know the style, they have all the titles, it's quite probable that they already have an album title and maybe they already have an idea for the cover, which may even be already commissioned to an artist. If there's a single, they must have figured out which is the song to go with. Maybe Petrucci is already thinking ahead about which songs to play live.
The new album is already a certainty for the guys, autumn will be a long period of waiting until we'll all know the details as well :metal
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I would guess the lyrics aren’t all complete. Which means they don’t have titles. From what I’ve seen in past albums, they were still using working titles when recording.
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Anyway, since they're at this stage of the tracking.... do you realize that, even though not completely finished, basically DT14 already "exists"? For all of us The Astonishing is DT's last album but the new album is already there. Sure, it's not all recorded but the songs are there, the lyrics most likely are all done. They know the style, they have all the titles, it's quite probable that they already have an album title and maybe they already have an idea for the cover, which may even be already commissioned to an artist. If there's a single, they must have figured out which is the song to go with. Maybe Petrucci is already thinking ahead about which songs to play live.
The new album is already a certainty for the guys, autumn will be a long period of waiting until we'll all know the details as well :metal
Yes, always a bit strange when you realize that a potential thing is now a real thing. Even stranger when you consider that we will probably hear a song in the next few months!
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Anyway, since they're at this stage of the tracking.... do you realize that, even though not completely finished, basically DT14 already "exists"? For all of us The Astonishing is DT's last album but the new album is already there. Sure, it's not all recorded but the songs are there, the lyrics most likely are all done. They know the style, they have all the titles, it's quite probable that they already have an album title and maybe they already have an idea for the cover, which may even be already commissioned to an artist. If there's a single, they must have figured out which is the song to go with. Maybe Petrucci is already thinking ahead about which songs to play live.
The new album is already a certainty for the guys, autumn will be a long period of waiting until we'll all know the details as well :metal
Yes, always a bit strange when you realize that a potential thing is now a real thing. Even stranger when you consider that we will probably hear a song in the next few months!
They'll probably take a long break for Christmas / New Years. The question is will we get a track before that happens.... or in January?
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Anyway, since they're at this stage of the tracking.... do you realize that, even though not completely finished, basically DT14 already "exists"? For all of us The Astonishing is DT's last album but the new album is already there. Sure, it's not all recorded but the songs are there, the lyrics most likely are all done. They know the style, they have all the titles, it's quite probable that they already have an album title and maybe they already have an idea for the cover, which may even be already commissioned to an artist. If there's a single, they must have figured out which is the song to go with. Maybe Petrucci is already thinking ahead about which songs to play live.
The new album is already a certainty for the guys, autumn will be a long period of waiting until we'll all know the details as well :metal
Yes, always a bit strange when you realize that a potential thing is now a real thing. Even stranger when you consider that we will probably hear a song in the next few months!
They'll probably take a long break for Christmas / New Years. The question is will we get a track before that happens.... or in January?
The album will probably be released in late January/early February, so it makes sense to expect a new song to be releases this year, something similar to the release of TGOM from TA in late November (IIRC) :tup
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I’m assuming JP finished tracking his rhythms before the camp, judging by the recent Instagram pic of JM? Probably gonna start him up on Monday maybe?
Still don’t like the idea of tracking guitar before bass. JM should just be concentrating on locking in with Mangini. Sure hope he’s not mostly just playing the root notes of JP’s parts.
Most metal/hard rock bands track guitar before bass, unless they are cutting drums and bass together. It's really not a big deal, if JMX is really worried about locking in with MM and not hearing as much of JP, they could simply turn the guitar tracks down while JMX is tracking so he just hears primarily drums.
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Where does JR fit in the equation? The last to record after James? Before James?
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Where does JR fit in the equation? The last to record after James? Before James?
To the best of my knowledge, DT typically records in this order - drums, guitars, bass, keys, vocals - and overdubs for solos get tracked at various points throughout that.
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I’m assuming JP finished tracking his rhythms before the camp, judging by the recent Instagram pic of JM? Probably gonna start him up on Monday maybe?
Still don’t like the idea of tracking guitar before bass. JM should just be concentrating on locking in with Mangini. Sure hope he’s not mostly just playing the root notes of JP’s parts.
But the bass should really support the riffs. It should not call attention to itself.
The bass "should not call attention to itself"?! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
JM "should just be concentrating on locking in with Mangini"?!
Isn't it awfully presumptuous to be suggesting what a guy who's been a successful recording artist for nearly 30 years "should be" concentrating on while recording? Don't you suppose he knows what he "should be" concentrating on? And, even if he wants to "concentrat[e] on locking in with Mangini," what difference does it make if the guitars have already been recorded? You understand that, if he wants, he can have the guitar completely omitted from what he's listening to while he's recording, right?
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^^^^^ +1
EDIT: ok, that didn't work as I expected... :\
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Where does JR fit in the equation? The last to record after James? Before James?
JR was in Europe playing a show not too long ago, so he should be back at the studio soon to record, I guess.
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JP was tracking acoustic guitars last night, according to DT's intagram.
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Or they could just all go in the studio at the same time and record the songs playing as a full band.
:oldfogey:
Isn't there an old fogey smiley? What's the code for it??
:TAC:
Dammit, it's not TAC.
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Close.
:tick:
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But the bass should really support the riffs. It should not call attention to itself.
Not according to Les Claypool! :lol
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:bump:
Any news? It's been a while since the last update...
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Any news? It's been a while since the last update...
I was thinking the same thing. We haven't got anything new since JP's guitar camp started.
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Well, this clip has been posted today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hedp8dVSWd4 (although IMHO I find this completely unnecessary, as well as it not pertaining to DT14 at all)
And then there is this post by Petruccinator: https://www.instagram.com/p/BmeETIwBnWr/?taken-by=johnpetrucciofficial and this one here by James https://www.instagram.com/p/Bmk3_RfFcch/?taken-by=jameslabrie.dt (which were then reposted on DT's Instagram page, but that all happened last week.) These three are the most current bits of information I could find just now. Sorry.
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Well, this clip has been posted today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hedp8dVSWd4 (although IMHO I find this completely unnecessary, as well as it not pertaining to DT14 at all)
And then there is this post by Petruccinator: https://www.instagram.com/p/BmeETIwBnWr/?taken-by=johnpetrucciofficial and this one here by James https://www.instagram.com/p/Bmk3_RfFcch/?taken-by=jameslabrie.dt (which were then reposted on DT's Instagram page, but that all happened last week.) These three are the most current bits of information I could find just now. Sorry.
James' pic is the latest one... Is he already preparing to record vocals? Or maybe arranging lyrics? ???
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Well, this clip has been posted today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hedp8dVSWd4 (although IMHO I find this completely unnecessary, as well as it not pertaining to DT14 at all)
And then there is this post by Petruccinator: https://www.instagram.com/p/BmeETIwBnWr/?taken-by=johnpetrucciofficial and this one here by James https://www.instagram.com/p/Bmk3_RfFcch/?taken-by=jameslabrie.dt (which were then reposted on DT's Instagram page, but that all happened last week.) These three are the most current bits of information I could find just now. Sorry.
Acoustic guitars! :metal
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Well, this clip has been posted today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hedp8dVSWd4 (although IMHO I find this completely unnecessary, as well as it not pertaining to DT14 at all)
And then there is this post by Petruccinator: https://www.instagram.com/p/BmeETIwBnWr/?taken-by=johnpetrucciofficial and this one here by James https://www.instagram.com/p/Bmk3_RfFcch/?taken-by=jameslabrie.dt (which were then reposted on DT's Instagram page, but that all happened last week.) These three are the most current bits of information I could find just now. Sorry.
James' pic is the latest one... Is he already preparing to record vocals? Or maybe arranging lyrics? ???
That is something I couldn't extrapolate, otherwise I would have added it in already. Sorry.
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Yeah, I'm so impatient when it comes to this sort of things. I'm going crazy with the lack of substantial updates xD
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For me, the excitement will kick in once we know the album title and before the first full piece will be released. I was excited about the little bits that were teased though to be honest.
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For me, the excitement will kick in once we know the album title and before the first full piece will be released. I was excited about the little bits that were teased though to be honest.
Oh, definitely. Seeing the album title + artwork and tracklist is always my favorite moment :)
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The artwork definitely has to do with all that as well yes. (and I like all the artwork so far)
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The artwork definitely has to do with all that as well yes. (and I like all the artwork so far)
Have I missed something, is there artwork?? :o
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No not yet. (I was just referring to the fact that the artwork is part of the excitement factor that tends to build every time there is a new DT album)
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For me, the excitement will kick in once we know the album title and before the first full piece will be released. I was excited about the little bits that were teased though to be honest.
Oh, definitely. Seeing the album title + artwork and tracklist is always my favorite moment :)
My fav moment is finding out the lengths of each track. Last album was so proggy we had to assemble track lengths ourselves
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My favorite moment is listening to the music.. :neverusethis:
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My favorite moment is listening to the music.. :neverusethis:
Winner.
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My favorite moment is listening to the music.. :neverusethis:
I mean, yeah, music matters too I guess
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JLB is beginning to lay down the vocals :yarr
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He seems excited about it too and that's good because IMHO he is important for DT and when he uses his strengths, I'm sure it will work for us and for them.
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JLB is beginning to lay down the vocals :yarr
YEAAAAH, nice!
https://mobile.twitter.com/jameslabrie/status/1032663633195556865
What's the common flow in their recording process? Vox and keys afterwards or the opposite? If the vocals are the last thing to do before mixing, we surely can hope for a single in the next two months :corn
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Yeah, we haven't heard anything yet about JR recording. Doesn't JP also record solos last or not necessarily?
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Generally speaking, a band would record drums first, then bass, then guitars, then keys and vocals last. Apparently, DT hasn't always followed that order, though ???
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I don't remember for sure, but I think they typically record solos last after vocals.
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That would make sense
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According to JP's latest Instagram post, bass tracks are done!
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I was about to say "no shiii" to DT's post because we know that James already started recording, but their recording order seems to be random this time, so oh well ;p
Also, JMX is smiling! :D
And... well... someone photoshoped a beard on his face. I love the Internet sometimes. :lol
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Is it random? If I'm not mistaken, they did drums, then guitars, then keyboards, then bass, then vocals, and then will go back and do solos and add other layers and textures as needed. I'm pretty sure that is similar to what they usually do.
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Eh, I don't know anymore. I haven't read anything about the keys, so I thought it was random. My mistake, I guess? xD
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Geez... They posted a video update as well. Lyrics are mostly done. With contributions of JP, 2 of JM, more than one from JLB and one from MM. AWESOME
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Geez... They posted a video update as well. Lyrics are mostly done. With contributions of JP, 2 of JM, more than one from JLB and one from MM. AWESOME
Finally a new video. Great news too about the lyrics! I am even more excited now for this album.
Quoting JP: "Guitars are done, except for 3 solos, I think" No mention of keys either.
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I'll be interested in hearing MM's lyrics, since I have never heard any from him before. I generally like JM's style, even if I don't care for some of the lyrics themselves. Cool that they are spreading it around so much this time.
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Yeah, I'm usually not someone who cares too much about the deep meaning or the right meaning of the lyrics, but I do like how his lyrics sound, especially in Breaking All Illusions, which is my favorite MM era song.
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Wow, more than one from both JLB and JM on the same album....that's a record if I'm not mistaken....
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that's a record if I'm not mistaken....
Nope. As far as I know, it'll only be CD or digital.
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Geez... They posted a video update as well. Lyrics are mostly done. With contributions of JP, 2 of JM, more than one from JLB and one from MM. AWESOME
I heard the first single is called My Body Is Not Well.
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All right, I feel like DT has definitely been listening. I've wanted more than one from James for a long damn time. One doesn't cut it especially when he only gets the ballad which seems to happen too often. I was happy with the requisite one from JM but I am more than happy with two.
And MM?! I love it. I bet MM is right where he has been clamoring to be in regards to his position in the band. Taking part in the writing INCLUDING lyrics.
And hey, let's not forget JP almost always has badass lyrics sooooooo.....
HURRY UP AND RELEASE THE DAMN ALBUM....please.
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So drums, bass and guitars (almost) are done, James is currently recording, and I assume Jordan will start inmediately after. And we’re going to get lyrics by everyone except Jordan, this is definitely going to be a special album :hefdaddy
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MM is very articulate like everyone in DT so I’m confident his will be good. Very happy he’s getting a chance to contribute, such a cool and just awesome, nice guy.
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So drums, bass and guitars (almost) are done, James is currently recording, and I assume Jordan will start inmediately after. And we’re going to get lyrics by everyone except Jordan, this is definitely going to be a special album :hefdaddy
It's a moment in DT history!
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Since they never/almost never play anything that James has written lyrics for can we chalk those two tracks up as write-offs now and get it over with?
I'm kidding, sort of, I hope they play the new tracks and even try and re-visit the old ones but there's no denying his lyrical contributions are mostly abandoned:
Take The Time (Not sure about this one, I thought everyone except James did a verse)
Caught In A Web (co-JP)
Anna Lee*
One Last Time
Blind Faith*
Disappear
Vacant
Sacrificed Sons
Awakening (Octavarium, but makes no sense to play just this part)
Prophets of War*
Far From Heaven
* These are the ones I'd love to see/hear live.
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Hell yes! Lyrics from JM, JLB and especially MM, this is gonna be' a great record, can't wait for it. :metal
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Hyyyyype! :caffeine:
I can't believe how excited I got when I saw this update. Butterflies in the stomach. Which is a fantastic feeling and a great sign that DT are still immensely important to me.
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So drums, bass and guitars (almost) are done, James is currently recording, and I assume Jordan will start inmediately after. And we’re going to get lyrics by everyone except Jordan, this is definitely going to be a special album :hefdaddy
A special album indeed! I'm glad JP has stepped back a bit, and allowed the other guys to contribute much more this time around. The sense of teamwork is very much apparent from these updates.
Now, I just want to hear the single!
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So drums, bass and guitars (almost) are done, James is currently recording, and I assume Jordan will start inmediately after. And we’re going to get lyrics by everyone except Jordan, this is definitely going to be a special album :hefdaddy
A special album indeed! I'm glad JP has stepped back a bit, and allowed the other guys to contribute much more this time around. (...)
He's taking care of other Guys stomach in a free time instaed of writing ;) haha ;) Just joking, great news for me ! Lyrics from JM, from MM are even much greater mews :) can't wait!
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Very exciting. Do we know if James is recording vocals in the same studio? I think the vocals for TA were done in Canada if I'm not mistaken.
I like the idea of them all recording in the same place, to keep the same vibe going.
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According to this Instagram post (this one here, in case you missed it) https://www.instagram.com/p/BmW_2Ninzg0/?taken-by=dtimages I would say he definitely is in the same studio as everyone else
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So drums, bass and guitars (almost) are done, James is currently recording, and I assume Jordan will start inmediately after. And we’re going to get lyrics by everyone except Jordan, this is definitely going to be a special album :hefdaddy
A special album indeed! I'm glad JP has stepped back a bit, and allowed the other guys to contribute much more this time around. (...)
He's taking care of other Guys stomach in a free time instaed of writing ;) haha ;) Just joking, great news for me ! Lyrics from JM, from MM are even much greater mews :) can't wait!
Wait, they also have cats in the studio with them?!? It's even more exciting!!! :biggrin: Joking aside, I'm very pumped for the album, all this has got me excited.
B.Lee
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According to this Instagram post (this one here, in case you missed it) https://www.instagram.com/p/BmW_2Ninzg0/?taken-by=dtimages I would say he definitely is in the same studio as everyone else
Yes, you're right - cheers!
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And I also think (like the vast majority on here) that DT14 is very likely to be a cracker of an album given all the developments and circumstances.
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Pluses and minuses for me, I love JM songs but generally find most JLB penned tunes to be a bit lacking both lyrically and melodically. I have an open mind of course and hope he comes up with some awesome stuff but his track record is not great imo. MM is a total wildcard, have no idea what to expect.
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Geez... They posted a video update as well. Lyrics are mostly done. With contributions of JP, 2 of JM, more than one from JLB and one from MM. AWESOME
WOW and JP announced it like it isn't a big deal... :lol Really looking foward for this lyrical diversity in the new album, very cool!
Since JP is the primary lyricist in the band, it seems that the album will have at least 8 songs: JP (3 or more), JM (2), JLB (2) and MM (1).
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Given how TA was mostly a JP/JR thing, i have high hopes for the new album.
I really like that they've given MM space to write some lyrics. Very interested to see what he came up with, he is a very interesting person when you get to talk with him.
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Pluses and minuses for me, I love JM songs but generally find most JLB penned tunes to be a bit lacking both lyrically and melodically.
I respectfully disagree wholeheartedly. JLB penned songs are incredible.
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Pluses and minuses for me, I love JM songs but generally find most JLB penned tunes to be a bit lacking both lyrically and melodically.
I respectfully disagree wholeheartedly. JLB penned songs are incredible.
Yep, love them all! Sacrificed Sons - one of the first hooks that got me into DT :yarr
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Good update, I'm definitely interested to hear the lyrical diversity.
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Just seen the video, not sure he actually says more than one from JLB, just says James has finished his lyrics doesn’t he? Sounds like JM is only one who hasn’t finished anyway which fits with reports from years ago which indicated his lyrics always took some work to fit into a song based format. It’s worth the effort though if we get another Learning To Live, Breaking All Illusions or Trial Of Tears.
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I was looking at my iPod the other day, trying to decide which Dream Theater album to play, and was blown away. The self-titled was from 2013. (I put year of release first in the title, so albums are ordered chronologically.) It's been five years since the last DT album! Holy crap. Has it really been that long?
No, it hasn't. I never put The Astonishing on my iPod because I knew I'd never listen to it. But the fact remains that I completely forgot about that album's existence. This is a long-winded way of saying that The Astonishing is to me quite literally a forgettable album.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the new one.
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Agree, Orbert.
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I was looking at my iPod the other day, trying to decide which Dream Theater album to play, and was blown away. The self-titled was from 2013. (I put year of release first in the title, so albums are ordered chronologically.) It's been five years since the last DT album! Holy crap. Has it really been that long?
No, it hasn't. I never put The Astonishing on my iPod because I knew I'd never listen to it. But the fact remains that I completely forgot about that album's existence. This is a long-winded way of saying that The Astonishing is to me quite literally a forgettable album.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the new one.
That's a shame, it's got a lot of good stuff on it.
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It is a shame, and I agree that it's got a lot of good stuff on it.
But for me, there's far too little good stuff, and far too much "down time" between the truly memorable segments. I know that The Astonishing is a different type of album. I'm an old-school proghead and have several other concept albums in my collection, including a really great one by Dream Theater from 1999. But The Astonishing just doesn't grab me. The concept alone is not enough; the music also has to be consistently good or at least interesting to keep my attention, that's where The Astonishing falters. I'm not going to sit through 15-20 minutes of meh to get to a really cool section, then repeat until the album is finished, and I'm not a pick-and-choose kinda guy. I listen to albums at a time, so the album overall has to be consistently good or interesting. For me, The Astonishing is neither of those things. I don't mind hitting the Skip button once, maybe twice during an 80-minute CD, but skipping 80% of an album to listen to the 20% I actually care to listen to is dumb.
For that reason, I really do look forward to this next album and hopefully a return to form, or perhaps even a new and improved Dream Theater.
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It is a shame, and I agree that it's got a lot of good stuff on it.
But for me, there's far too little good stuff, and far too much "down time" between the truly memorable segments. I know that The Astonishing is a different type of album. I'm an old-school proghead and have several other concept albums in my collection, including a really great one by Dream Theater from 1999. But The Astonishing just doesn't grab me. The concept alone is not enough; the music also has to be consistently good or at least interesting to keep my attention, that's where The Astonishing falters. I'm not going to sit through 15-20 minutes of meh to get to a really cool section, then repeat until the album is finished, and I'm not a pick-and-choose kinda guy. I listen to albums at a time, so the album overall has to be consistently good or interesting. For me, The Astonishing is neither of those things. I don't mind hitting the Skip button once, maybe twice during an 80-minute CD, but skipping 80% of an album to listen to the 20% I actually care to listen to is dumb.
For that reason, I really do look forward to this next album and hopefully a return to form, or perhaps even a new and improved Dream Theater.
I guess that's where the people who enjoy the album vs not differ. I think the "downtime" thing has been a big criticism of the album, but I just don't see it. I feel like maybe I can agree there are spots of a minute here and there of downtime and I can see a the NOMAC tracks adding to that as well, but really I think the album is solid track after track, but it just feels like downtime because a lot of the songs start off softly. If you just click track after track you can see how someone would find the album as soft and down, like the track run from The Hovering Sojourn through The X Aspect, just listen to the beginning of each track and you might feel this is super soft and boring, but damn there is a lot of great music in those tracks.
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Dream Theater is one of the few bands for whom I have the entire catalog on physical media, special or deluxe editions when they were available. I'm not as "hot" on them as I was at one time, but they're still one of my favorite bands. I picked up The Astonishing on release date and immediately put it into the CD player of my car, where it stayed for a week or so. I listened to it end-to-end multiple times, which of course is the only way to really check out an album, especially a concept album. I just found myself getting bored, over and over again. I get that some songs start quietly and build up, or that there are contrasting heavy and lighter sections, or any of those things which provide variety and keep interest up over the course of two hours or so.
When that wasn't working, I went old school; I sat with the lyrics, read up on the story online, got to know the characters and try to "feel" how the narrative played out, all those good things. I gained a greater appreciation for the effort JP and JR put into it, as I expected I would, but overall it's the music that carries the work, and most of it is just plain uninteresting to me. It sounds great, it's well produced and well played; I just don't find it very interesting.
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Fair enough Orbert, I know you gave it a shot. It's been clear it's not for everyone.
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. .. but skipping 80% of an album to listen to the 20% . . .
Yes, it does sound like you gave it a good shot, Orbert. I can respect your opinion and you make some good points.
For me it end up being the opposite that I can would only skip 20% of the album if I was only looking for the good stuff I liked.
I am super excited for this new one, can't hardly wait. :)
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It is a shame, and I agree that it's got a lot of good stuff on it.
But for me, there's far too little good stuff, and far too much "down time" between the truly memorable segments. I know that The Astonishing is a different type of album. I'm an old-school proghead and have several other concept albums in my collection, including a really great one by Dream Theater from 1999. But The Astonishing just doesn't grab me. The concept alone is not enough; the music also has to be consistently good or at least interesting to keep my attention, that's where The Astonishing falters. I'm not going to sit through 15-20 minutes of meh to get to a really cool section, then repeat until the album is finished, and I'm not a pick-and-choose kinda guy. I listen to albums at a time, so the album overall has to be consistently good or interesting. For me, The Astonishing is neither of those things. I don't mind hitting the Skip button once, maybe twice during an 80-minute CD, but skipping 80% of an album to listen to the 20% I actually care to listen to is dumb.
For that reason, I really do look forward to this next album and hopefully a return to form, or perhaps even a new and improved Dream Theater.
Amazing, every word of what you just said was wrong.
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What? Every word he says was right. That's how he experiences the album.
Unless you're saying he truly loves the album, then maybe.
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Apparently, I'm wrong to agree with mikey that there's a lot of good stuff on the album and that that's a shame, I'm wrong in that I listened to the album and just couldn't get into it, and I'm wrong saying that I'm looking forward to the next album.
Holy shit!! :omg: I actually like an album I thought was boring all this time, and I'm not looking forward to the next album because it will probably be more like the Dream Theater I thought I loved (but must have been wrong about that, too)!
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Apparently, I'm wrong to agree with mikey that there's a lot of good stuff on the album and that that's a shame, I'm wrong in that I listened to the album and just couldn't get into it, and I'm wrong saying that I'm looking forward to the next album.
Holy shit!! :omg: I actually like an album I thought was boring all this time, and I'm not looking forward to the next album because it will probably be more like the Dream Theater I thought I loved (but must have been wrong about that, too)!
Maybe....just maybe, he saw that you called yourself old and he wanted to compliment you but didn't want to be obvious about it so just contradicted the whole post?
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For that reason, I really do look forward to this next album and hopefully a return to form, or perhaps even a new and improved Dream Theater.
This part...of course it'll be a return to form. The Astonishing was a fun project. The only logical thing to do really is what exactly they are doing now. All together in one room, JP likely doesn't want to write lyrics this time as much. Letting the others write.
I'm really excited for this album and can't wait for that single to be released.
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Apparently, I'm wrong to agree with mikey that there's a lot of good stuff on the album and that that's a shame, I'm wrong in that I listened to the album and just couldn't get into it, and I'm wrong saying that I'm looking forward to the next album.
Holy shit!! :omg: I actually like an album I thought was boring all this time, and I'm not looking forward to the next album because it will probably be more like the Dream Theater I thought I loved (but must have been wrong about that, too)!
:lol
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I think one way to deal with the down time is to make an abridged version. I love the entire thing, but honestly, I could cut out half and enjoy it even more. My 15 song abridged version is as good as anything, IMO. ;D
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Just seen the video, not sure he actually says more than one from JLB, just says James has finished his lyrics doesn’t he? Sounds like JM is only one who hasn’t finished anyway which fits with reports from years ago which indicated his lyrics always took some work to fit into a song based format. It’s worth the effort though if we get another Learning To Live, Breaking All Illusions or Trial Of Tears.
James said way earlier that he was working on lyrics for a couple songs.
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Yes, see here: https://twitter.com/jameslabrie/status/1012813144140365824
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Yes, see here: https://twitter.com/jameslabrie/status/1012813144140365824
Seeing that tweet again makes me think that they were up to the lyrics after a month in studio already, which is nice!! And it also reminded me of that "Hidden by Design" thing, which may be in the album somehow (the title maybe?). That was something that came up no DT's Facebook page and it's reoccurring on the Treasure Hunt. Maybe it's nothing, but it sounds like a cool concept.
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Might be the album title but it's certainly not the master puzzle code. We'll see how it plays out.
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My bet is that it could be part of the concept Mangini brought it, that was later developed into the song with his lyrics. Sounds like a title or section of a big epic song, or even the album title.
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JP on Instagram: Guitar tracking is done!!
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I think one way to deal with the down time is to make an abridged version. I love the entire thing, but honestly, I could cut out half and enjoy it even more. My 15 song abridged version is as good as anything, IMO. ;D
I thought about that at one point, just putting the songs I really like onto the iPod, so I can play them and enjoy them. But that would mean I'd have to invest another three or four hours, minimum. 2.5 to listen to it all again, then at least another hour or so playing certain tracks again, deciding which ones to keep, etc. In the end, I just blew it off, partly because of the time/effort involved, and partly because I knew that even then, I still probably wouldn't listen to it. When I feel like listening to Dream Theater, I have several albums to choose from that I already know I'll enjoy more.
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Why has this thread turned into a "Why I don't like The Astonishing"?
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I think it's a common occurence that threads can take detours and tangents. I observed that lots of times when reading along. It's the DTF way. Back on topic: Did Jordan already record his parts?
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I think it's a common occurence that threads can take detours and tangents. I observed that lots of times when reading along. It's the DTF way. Back on topic: Did Jordan already record his parts?
Yeah, Yeah, I know, I've been on the forum for 10+ years, but it's a thread about the new album. If people want to tell to what extent they don't like TA, they can go to the dedicated thread. Just my 2 cents.
Back to topic, don't know for the keys, but guitar tracking is done :
@JPetrucci 10 h
Guitar tracking is done!!
B.Lee
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My anticipation for the next album is increased by my disappointment in the last one. I found it interesting that I'd literally forgotten about it and shared a few sentences. It wasn't meant to be a detour, but these things happen.
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Even though I still like The Astonishing a ton, if someone doesn't like it, doesn't bother me.
Orbert, your posts are always interesting and well-articulated, so post away. :tup :tup
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When we get an update on the new album I don't know if I should get excited or scour it because it might contain a clue.
:lol
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Guitars are done. JP posts it on instagram and MP trolls. :facepalm:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm4OQooBTsR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=11zdfisvzwdwr (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm4OQooBTsR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=11zdfisvzwdwr)
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Was to be expected, wasn't it. And yes, that would be a :facepalm: from me too. A big one.
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Guitars are done. JP posts it on instagram and MP trolls. :facepalm:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm4OQooBTsR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=11zdfisvzwdwr (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm4OQooBTsR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=11zdfisvzwdwr)
I find that funny. Cause MP also takes a jab at himself.
Also they're good friends so I don't see nothing wrong with it.
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Guitars are done. JP posts it on instagram and MP trolls. :facepalm:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm4OQooBTsR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=11zdfisvzwdwr (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm4OQooBTsR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=11zdfisvzwdwr)
I can't decide if that's funny or sad.
Anyway, can't wait for the next update and to know how James is doing in the studio. :)
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I assumed they followed their normal practice of not demoing the tracks?
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Guitars are done. JP posts it on instagram and MP trolls. :facepalm:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm4OQooBTsR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=11zdfisvzwdwr (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm4OQooBTsR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=11zdfisvzwdwr)
I find that funny. Cause MP also takes a jab at himself.
Also they're good friends so I don't see nothing wrong with it.
Can't find the comment. Anyone care to say what it is/was?
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"Back to DT!!!! Oh wait.... 😄" that's what it was
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Yeah, I managed to see it. Mixed feelings. I get MP's posture on posting a ""friendly"" comment, but it's just nuts the way some people reacted in JP's post.
"Yeah...MP...the band is not the same without you"
"DT lost its soul with you!"
That cannot be healthy in any way to JP or MP, I think. Oh well, I guess he knows his social media.
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"Yeah...MP...the band is not the same without you"
"DT lost its soul with you!"
No kidding. Just think of all the lost opportunities he had to use those six fills he's been using for the past 15 years. :biggrin:
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"Yeah...MP...the band is not the same without you"
"DT lost its soul with you!"
No kidding. Just think of all the lost opportunities he had to use those six fills he's been using for the past 15 years. :biggrin:
Harsh. But true.
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Harsh and bs..
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Harsh and bs..
I mean....I get that can upset some folks but seriously......you have a guy who admittedly does not practice or make any effort to improve himself in his craft.......and you have a guy who continually practices to find new fills/sounds etc etc.
MP is an incredible drummer....there's no disputing it. He's unreal and I love to listen to the dude. But the evidence just doesn't lie....especially recent evidence.
(Safe and easy and sounding the same as every other fill or groove)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BmPqpwoAJXj/?taken-by=mikeportnoyinstagram
https://www.instagram.com/p/BmKNPcknEGc/?taken-by=mikeportnoyinstagram
VS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHSzH7MoUSY
So....what I said may have been 'harsh' but it's by no means 'BS'. It's just the truth.
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"Yeah...MP...the band is not the same without you"
"DT lost its soul with you!"
No kidding. Just think of all the lost opportunities he had to use those six fills he's been using for the past 15 years. :biggrin:
Harsh. But true.
Pretty much. MP is solid but he’s been stagnant and repetitive since Train of Thought. The fact that he just records the first thing that he comes up with shows that he’s just interested in getting the drums done rather than spending the time to create inventive drum parts. It’s nice that DT has a drummer that’s actually dedicated to creating great drum parts.
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I may have mentioned this before but: I absolutely lost it when I heard the first teaser of this album with Mike recording. Very Yes-esque on steroids. Really lovely.
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I mean....I get that can upset some folks but seriously......you have a guy who admittedly does not practice or make any effort to improve himself in his craft.......and you have a guy who continually practices to find new fills/sounds etc etc.
MP is an incredible drummer....there's no disputing it. He's unreal and I love to listen to the dude. But the evidence just doesn't lie....especially recent evidence.
(Safe and easy and sounding the same as every other fill or groove)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BmPqpwoAJXj/?taken-by=mikeportnoyinstagram
https://www.instagram.com/p/BmKNPcknEGc/?taken-by=mikeportnoyinstagram
VS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHSzH7MoUSY
So....what I said may have been 'harsh' but it's by no means 'BS'. It's just the truth.
Evidence?.. I don't need more evidence than having listened to the DT albums you are referring to (from ToT until BC&SL).. It's childish and ridiculous saying that in all of those albums and the ones he has made through all these years until Psychotic Symphony have "six fills".. I mean, except you're really trying to judge a musician's skill watching instagram's videos (and apparently you are)..
Also, I don't know what Mangini has to do with "your" (it's actually very old and repetitive) opinion of MP doing the same fills over and over again.. I'm just happy I did listen to his drumming..
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you're really trying to judge a musician's skill watching instagram's videos (and apparently you are)..
Those were examples of very recent studio sessions of both drummers. One stands out as fresh....one stands out as the 'same ol' same ol''
Also, I don't know what Mangini has to do with "your" (it's actually very old and repetitive) opinion of MP doing the same fills over and over again.. I'm just happy I did listen to his drumming..
It's an 'old and repetitive' criticism of MP because it's an accurate one. Even the albums you mentioned do little to argue against that criticism.
Listen....like I said....I love to listen to MP drum. Similitude of a Dream was a freaking masterpiece IMO and MP's drumming was great in it. Neal does a fantastic job of writing and arranging that music to fit and suite MP's playing.
But you cannot have an honest listen to 'The Astonishing' and listen to the insane things Mangini does on that album then listen to SOAD and tell me that one drummer doesn't stand out against the other. It's less of a knock on MP than it is just an outright compliment to Mangini for always improving himself and keeping his 'chops' up to date and honed.
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Those were examples of very recent studio sessions of both drummers. One stands out as fresh....one stands out as the 'same ol' same ol''
Ok, so you are judging them by some short videos on social media..
It's an 'old and repetitive' criticism of MP because it's an accurate one. Even the albums you mentioned do little to argue against that criticism.
Listen....like I said....I love to listen to MP drum. Similitude of a Dream was a freaking masterpiece IMO and MP's drumming was great in it. Neal does a fantastic job of writing and arranging that music to fit and suite MP's playing.
But you cannot have an honest listen to 'The Astonishing' and listen to the insane things Mangini does on that album then listen to SOAD and tell me that one drummer doesn't stand out against the other. It's less of a knock on MP than it is just an outright compliment to Mangini for always improving himself and keeping his 'chops' up to date and honed.
Being old or repetitive doesn't make something accurate.. The albums I mentioned... have you even listened to any of them?.. Because even if you randomly choose a single song in any of those albums (well, except you choose a ballad) you'll be listening to 5 or 6 different (and unique) fills in that song along.. Does he repeat some fills?.. Yes, he does, as 95% of drummers do.. But -and this right here is what really bothers me- why being unnecessarily cruel to someone that's just playing some music for you to enjoy?.. Even more, when we're talking about a very talented musician with outstanding playing skills?.. I assume we are not discussing here nor having into account his persona.. If we're not, then Idk what else can be said about this..
Again, we weren't discussing MM, but since you keep bringing him up I'll say that while enjoy his playing, regarding "being fresh", he has it way more easier than Portnoy, since he has only played in 3 DT albums so far (which is the territory you should prefer we stay in, otherwise MP would "win" by miles regarding 'same ol' aspects)..
I mean, if we're comparing them to each other, shouldn't we be comparing the current Mangini with the FII's Portnoy?.. Now that would only be fair..
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I honestly don't see how anyone can tell me, in all sincerity, that MP's playing is not repetitive. Basing this on full albums and songs, not small clips, it is easy to hear that he plays the same few fills over and over again. Yes, he has different combinations, but the majority of his fills are based on some form of rlkkrlkkrlkk (he has even admitted this several times including on at least one of his instructional DVD's.) So there's no need to get offended over it, the man himself admits it and he's also on record as saying he doesn't really practice. His drumming vocabulary never expands. You don't even need to be a drummer or musician to notice it either.
Now, MP is very consistent, and he knows how to entertain a crowd. But if we are only talking about the notes that he plays and nothing else, he's in the stone age compared to many drummers playing today especially if we look at other genres as well. Some absolutely amazing talent out there...
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I'm not telling you nor anyone anything.. I'm just speaking myself; if you're stubborn enough to whether not get what I'm saying or not interested in trying to get it, then that's ok for me..
For you, he is only a "very consistent" drummer and a crowd entertainer guy, but not an amazingly talented guy.. Ok, that's fine.. Well, for me, the thing I admire more about him is precisely his amazing talent.. He's the first drummer I have listened to doing all those diverse and unpredictable but genius stuff with "mere" drums in any band at all... and now you're trying to convince me that he is repetitive?.. I don't care even if he himself has said that (which I doubt).. You don't realize I'm talking about a little of both respect to the musician and understanding of the relativity about this matter.. Meaning: of course if you compare Portnoy to some today's drummers these would be seen as more diverse or not repetitive than him.. But, then again, why comparing a 30+ career years drummer to one that's barely start playing or that has several years less than him with the drumsticks?.. But even if there are other drummers with more variety in their playing, I wouldn't care, because that doesn't take away what he's done (and particularly the inspiration he's given me and many other ppl)..
To put it in other words, you are confusing virtuosity with talent, and thus trying to use that as an argument to say how not talented he is, which is ridiculous in the case of someone just as virtuous as he is.
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Boy, oh boy! What a thread derail.
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Boy, oh boy! What a thread derail.
Eh, Gary has been deraling threads for a very long time, and he just keeps using the same few tactics. Everything is generally a variation of kick kick portnoy when he's down. Personally? I'm always entertained by how Gary derails threads, he's just an amazing showman about it. Dude has a lot of personality in his derailing. I know the forum has some new members that derail threads in much more....complicated ways, but I'm just not as into that.
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Adami, seriously
Do you believe in love at first post?
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Blame Portnoy for this "thread derail".. He is responsible..
Nah, we all know it was the MP haters again...
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They’re both amazing drummers, let’s just leave it at that. The fact is that the band we all love would not exist without Mike Portnoy’s efforts in those early years in particular so, despite the way he acts at times, he deserves a little more love on here.
That being said, I’ve enjoyed what Mangini has done so far and am very much looking forward to hearing what he does on the new record as he seems to have had a big input, even writing lyrics (which usually means vocal melodies as well) and they seem focused on getting a good drum sound this time around. Not that I’ve been too unhappy with his sound previously.
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Actually, his Instagram post in classic Portnoy. DT has done a great job with getting fans excited for their next album with all of their social media updates, and with one sentence on JP's page, he diverted the attention from that to himself and to his comment. And he has been around long enough to where he knew it would happen. I think he does this stuff on purpose. And then he can play the "I was just being funny, it's not my fault if fans started talking about it" card. It's like cutting a huge chili-driven fart in the middle of a crowded room at a party and then saying, "It's not my fault people noticed the smell."
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Oh that's it Adami :curtains:
have you even listened to any of them?..
:lol I first heard DT in the summer of 1992 when PMU hit and quickly ran out and bought the cassette. My friends and I were utterly blown away, and I was IMMEDIATELY enthralled by MP. His playing is/was electric (I don't think I've ever said anything other than that on this forum) and I was transfixed by the odd time changes and the amount of notes he could hit. When I saw them the first time at the American Theater in St. Louis on
5/23/1993.....I couldn't take my eyes off of MP. Watching him drum then and even today is such an impressive feat. And, I've listened to EVERY one of MP's projects...all of them. I love to hear the guy play drums. And, that's also why I'm fairly confident in the accuracy of that comment.
I'm not saying he 'sucks' at playing drums. Show me where I've ever said that? My initial comment was in response to these comments that DarkLord posted from the MP fanboys out there digging at JP on JP's own Instagram feed:
"Yeah...MP...the band is not the same without you"
"DT lost its soul with you!"
My point in making the semi-teasing comment about the 'six fills' that MP has is that we 'really' (<<<That's sarcasm FYI) missed out on having (3) more albums of MP mailing it in with his same 'bag of tricks'. Doesn't mean MP's bag of tricks aren't filled with some incredible things....but they are the 'same ol same ol' But as I continued to mention.....that same ol same ol produced a pretty killer product in SOAD so whatever.
I brought up MM for two reasons: one, the comments trashing JP and DT seem to suggest that DT has sucked since MP left and that's not the case......and (B).....the juxtaposition between MP and MM is a fascinating one to me. On one hand you have a guy who is completely content and comfortable riding his natural talent off into the sunset with no qualms or concern about keeping it sharp or improving them at all and the other hand you have a guy who is constantly seeking and searching and practicing to get better and better.
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Why did MP have to post that?
As one of the more outsppken MM fanboys in this forum, I am really disappointed with MP's post. MM is finaly getting the opportunity to showcase what he could do with him fully integrated in the writing process. And then MP does a joke of him coming back, triggering again his legion of diehards clamoring for him to return.
I am not listening to an MP future project again. I like how he plays, but he asks too much for the spotlight even to the detriment of others. So I won't give him what he craves.
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@gmillerdrake Ok, yeah, I did get why you brought Mangini to the discussion, although I do not share the need to do it.. I mean, yeah, is very obvious that someone in a DT forum would always be comparing MP with MM if we start talking about the former... Now, why even bother to do that everytime, and even more in a new DT album thread?..
About my question, that was sarcasm fyi.. From your second post I assumed -and right- that you were at least an old DT fan and that until some point you liked Portnoy's style; Idk why exactly, maybe for the way you think or write?.. Also, I never said that you said "he 'sucks' at playing drums".. Show me where *I* have ever said that.. ;)
But anyways, I'll now ask you a real question: why are you throwing out all of this here, when judging by what you're saying you were responding to the instagram MP fanboys?.. No one here said what they said over there.. That's the (other) part I don't get..
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It's because you called his claim that MP has become repetitive as bullshit.
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Nope, that was after his comment, right?...
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Yes, but are you asking him why he should respond to MP's comment on JP's instagram that derailed DT's so far positive buildup for their new album?
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Exactly..
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Blame Portnoy for this "thread derail".. He is responsible..
He’s responsible after all... when anyone, anywhere, reaches out for help. He wants his hand to be there.
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I'm not telling you nor anyone anything.. I'm just speaking myself; if you're stubborn enough to whether not get what I'm saying or not interested in trying to get it, then that's ok for me..
We don't have to agree. I just don't get how people don't hear what I and others are hearing. It's not subtle. His drumming is so easy to predict nowadays. Back in the 90s through SDOIT he seemed to put more thought into his parts, and after that album it seemed, to me, that he lost some of the "spark," you could say. I'm not basing my comments on him as a person, or his other endeavors in DT and elsewhere. It's all based on his playing.
I don't care even if he himself has said that (which I doubt)..
Liquid Drum Theater DVD...go watch it for yourself if you don't believe me...
But, then again, why comparing a 30+ career years drummer to one that's barely start playing or that has several years less than him with the drumsticks?..
I'm not comparing him to people who have "barely started playing..." I'm comparing him to drummers who I think are more creative, musical, and dynamic. No matter what I base this on, playing-wise, MP gets beat by a bunch of other drummers for me. Groove, chops, independence, control of dynamics, overall musicality, speed, whatever you want your criteria to be...MP is just nowhere near the top. But to go along with what you say, if I was comparing MP to people who have barely started playing, and those people are already ahead of his playing ability, then they'd clearly be more talented playing-wise. So either way that falls flat.
To put it in other words, you are confusing virtuosity with talent, and thus trying to use that as an argument to say how not talented he is, which is ridiculous in the case of someone just as virtuous as he is.
No, I'm looking at the whole picture as it relates to playing, as stated above. For example, some drummers out there have amazing speed, but when it's time for them to chill out and play a simple laid back groove, they can't...or it takes a lot of effort for them to make it feel good. I enjoy drummers who are diverse and unpredictable. I don't want to listen to a knew album and already have a basic idea of what MP's going to do before he even does it. That's what happened with SoA, for example. Where's the fun in that?
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But anyways, I'll now ask you a real question: why are you throwing out all of this here, when judging by what you're saying you were responding to the instagram MP fanboys?.. No one here said what they said over there.. That's the (other) part I don't get..
But it WAS mentioned......which prompted my dig at MP
Yeah, I managed to see it. Mixed feelings. I get MP's posture on posting a ""friendly"" comment, but it's just nuts the way some people reacted in JP's post.
"Yeah...MP...the band is not the same without you"
"DT lost its soul with you!"
That cannot be healthy in any way to JP or MP, I think. Oh well, I guess he knows his social media.
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Blame Portnoy for this "thread derail".. He is responsible..
He’s responsible after all... when anyone, anywhere, reaches out for help. He wants his hand to be there.
:lol
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Actually, his Instagram post in classic Portnoy. DT has done a great job with getting fans excited for their next album with all of their social media updates, and with one sentence on JP's page, he diverted the attention from that to himself and to his comment. And he has been around long enough to where he knew it would happen. I think he does this stuff on purpose. And then he can play the "I was just being funny, it's not my fault if fans started talking about it" card. It's like cutting a huge chili-driven fart in the middle of a crowded room at a party and then saying, "It's not my fault people noticed the smell."
Yep. Absolutely his standard m.o. Sad.
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"Back to DT!!!! Oh wait.... 😄"
I guess I might be mentally disabled or something since I have no idea what that means.
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"Back to DT!!!! Oh wait.... 😄"
I guess I might be mentally disabled or something since I have no idea what that means.
I thought the same thing. I still don't get it. Then realized the bigger point people like KevShmev are making is that we have spent the last two pages of this thread talking about MP instead of DT's progress on their forthcoming album.
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@gzarruk Exactly.. :lol
@gmillerdrake Yes, it was mentioned here, but no one here said that, so what you did is poitnless... except your goal was to tease people on this thread who were only reading news and opinions about the new album.. See: one doesn't have to be a MP "fanboy", "troll" or whatever to don't agree with your mocking comments..
@pcs90 What I'm saying is that you don't understand my opinion; I'm not complaining about we don't agree because that's obvious and I really don't care for that.. Opinion would be: I don't find his drumming to be "predictable"; there are parts (mostly since 2008) when I feel that he might be doing something in a certain way and he kind of does it although a little different, but they're very insignificant if we're considering his playing as a whole; I agree that his techniques haven't evolve much in the past 10 years (I do find a lot of improvment and fresh/new stuff in ToT, 8V and SC)... but then again, I don't know any drummer that I like as I like MP's style that has evolve over the years either, so...
And did Portnoy said he became repetitive since ToT?.. Wow.. I don't own that DVD, but surely wouldn't watch it if I did only to be sure he said that.. Still, if I'd had the man himself telling me that in my face I'd keep thinking the same: his repetitiveness is only relative, and I do prefer his so predictable fills and whole drumming style over any other's virtuosist drummer out there (and I do know lots of them btw)... About younger drummers, what you're saying makes no sense at all; of course is easier for them to be better regarding variety, because they're just beginning their careers, so they have a world of combinations yet to make... MP and drummers of his age, simply don't, neither have they the obligation to do so..
I hope my posture is clear now.. Ok, moving on..
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I think, as a guy that doesn't know or care about MP's instagram post and want to see more DT's updates in this thread, I'm just going to say the following plain and simple. WHY DOES THIS MATTER AT ALL?
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If you don't care, then simply don't read the discussion.. Also, as much as you want DT14-related updates, and I guess that we all here in this thread want that, if there aren't, then there aren't..
In case any of you missed it, this vid is the latest we got about the album: https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/532840363804427/
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I was really hoping for another snippet on the latest video. Oh well.. It was nice to see JM more animated and talkative...well, as talkative as he can get.
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I was really hoping for another snippet on the latest video. Oh well.. It was nice to see JM more animated and talkative...well, as talkative as he can get.
Indeed! I like it that JM is so happy with the album. :) And the multiple lyricists aspect. :)
And this: https://www.facebook.com/jordanrudessofficial/videos/314881035952672. :)
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"Back to DT!!!! Oh wait.... 😄"
I guess I might be mentally disabled or something since I have no idea what that means.
Same here. Is he making a joke that he is rejoining the band? Was he joking that was finishing guitars for something else and now needed to get back working on DT stuff?
Whatever it was, it was a pretty awkward thing to do.
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"Back to DT!!!! Oh wait.... 😄"
I guess I might be mentally disabled or something since I have no idea what that means.
Same here. Is he making a joke that he is rejoining the band? Was he joking that was finishing guitars for something else and now needed to get back working on DT stuff?
Whatever it was, it was a pretty awkward thing to do.
I think what he was getting at was that there shouldn’t (in his opinion) be a DT without him, but in reality there is.
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I was really hoping for another snippet on the latest video. Oh well.. It was nice to see JM more animated and talkative...well, as talkative as he can get.
Indeed! I like it that JM is so happy with the album. :) And the multiple lyricists aspect. :)
And this: https://www.facebook.com/jordanrudessofficial/videos/314881035952672. :)
That video is fantastic! We all know by now JLB's and JM's capacities as lyricists but I'm very intrigued at what MM will bring to the table.
B.Lee
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My guess would be that his lyrics will be intelligent (because he just is), about mathematics, logic or brains or something
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My guess would be that his lyrics will be intelligent (because he just is), about mathematics, logic or brains or something
I know you said that in jest, but I think the other way round. For me, it will be very emotional, that is being there where no one is expecting him.
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"Back to DT!!!! Oh wait.... 😄"
I guess I might be mentally disabled or something since I have no idea what that means.
Same here. Is he making a joke that he is rejoining the band? Was he joking that was finishing guitars for something else and now needed to get back working on DT stuff?
Whatever it was, it was a pretty awkward thing to do.
Whatever it was, it is the usual make this thing about me post. Everybody's getting excited about thr new album with contributions from all, especially MM, but no, he just had to make a post that would call attention to himself.
I think, as a guy that doesn't know or care about MP's instagram post and want to see more DT's updates in this thread, I'm just going to say the following plain and simple. WHY DOES THIS MATTER AT ALL?
For me, it matters because MP posted not on his Instagram but on JP's Instagram where there is an album update. Why did he post that in the update of a band that already moved on from him?
I'm not telling you nor anyone anything.. I'm just speaking myself; if you're stubborn enough to whether not get what I'm saying or not interested in trying to get it, then that's ok for me..
We don't have to agree. I just don't get how people don't hear what I and others are hearing. It's not subtle. His drumming is so easy to predict nowadays. Back in the 90s through SDOIT he seemed to put more thought into his parts, and after that album it seemed, to me, that he lost some of the "spark," you could say. I'm not basing my comments on him as a person, or his other endeavors in DT and elsewhere. It's all based on his playing.
Based on how I hear and play it, his entire playing vocabulary is in Metropolis Pt. 1, The Mirror, Peruvian Skies, Trial of Tears, and The Glass Prison. Study all the techniques in those songs and you pretty much can feel the familiarity in the other songs. It's not bad, that is already an amazing drum vocabulary and there are so many variations MP did, but it is also true that the vocabulary never expanded much after SDOIT.
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If you don't care, then simply don't read the discussion.. Also, as much as you want DT14-related updates, and I guess that we all here in this thread want that, if there aren't, then there aren't..
In case any of you missed it, this vid is the latest we got about the album: https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/532840363804427/
I saw this two days ago at work, cranked the volume all the way up and STILL had trouble hearing JM. :lol
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My guess would be that his lyrics will be intelligent (because he just is), about mathematics, logic or brains or something
I know you said that in jest, but I think the other way round. For me, it will be very emotional, that is being there where no one is expecting him.
MM sometimes can be philosophical AF, pretty deep... Hope he translates that into his lyrics!
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Yeah I actually wasn't joking.
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tfw you see a few new pages in the thread and got excited because you think there's a new update, but it turns out to be another load of shitpost
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Sorry about that. I do my best to remain as neutral as possible for a reason.
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tfw you see a few new pages in the thread and got excited because you think there's a new update, but it turns out to be another load of shitpost
I know it wasn't addressed to us, but bad timing for making that commentary right after we discussed MM's lyrical contribution.
B.Lee
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For me, it matters because MP posted not on his Instagram but on JP's Instagram where there is an album update. Why did he post that in the update of a band that already moved on from him?
Because he didn't respond to the bands Instagram, but his friends Instagram.
I don't get why people are making that a big deal. Since, that is what MP would say if he was in the band still and working on the NMB at the same time. Its just a friend making a joke on a friends instagram, which is why he posted the smiley.
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For me, it matters because MP posted not on his Instagram but on JP's Instagram where there is an album update. Why did he post that in the update of a band that already moved on from him?
Because he didn't respond to the bands Instagram, but his friends Instagram.
I don't get why people are making that a big deal. Since, that is what MP would say if he was in the band still and working on the NMB at the same time. Its just a friend making a joke on a friends instagram, which is why he posted the smiley.
Yes, pretend that this is not a social media world where a public post like that would not attract the fanboys who would suddenly hijack the threads on the new album wishing that MP would come back and not ruining the positive publicity the new album is getting so far through the band's own social media effort.
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My guess would be that his lyrics will be intelligent (because he just is), about mathematics, logic or brains or something
I know you said that in jest, but I think the other way round. For me, it will be very emotional, that is being there where no one is expecting him.
MM sometimes can be philosophical AF, pretty deep... Hope he translates that into his lyrics!
Must be a good theme for those lyrics and maybe the album title comes from those lyrics. Could be why JP really didn't want MM to give anything away about it in that first video.
I like how they're tracking too, seems they started vocals while JM was still finishing his Bass tracks. Its like, once this is done the other can come in and do theirs. Which is why JLB started vocals, JM and JP were done with one song and he was next in the tracking line.
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For me, it matters because MP posted not on his Instagram but on JP's Instagram where there is an album update. Why did he post that in the update of a band that already moved on from him?
Because he didn't respond to the bands Instagram, but his friends Instagram.
...about the band.
I don't get why people are making that a big deal. Since, that is what MP would say if he was in the band still and working on the NMB at the same time. Its just a friend making a joke on a friends instagram...
...about the band.
:lol
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For me, it matters because MP posted not on his Instagram but on JP's Instagram where there is an album update. Why did he post that in the update of a band that already moved on from him?
Because he didn't respond to the bands Instagram, but his friends Instagram.
...about the band.
I don't get why people are making that a big deal. Since, that is what MP would say if he was in the band still and working on the NMB at the same time. Its just a friend making a joke on a friends instagram...
...about the band.
:lol
Yeah its a post about the band. But I'm saying its not like he's posting it on the BANDS instagram.
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Based on how I hear and play it, his entire playing vocabulary is in Metropolis Pt. 1, The Mirror, Peruvian Skies, Trial of Tears, and The Glass Prison. Study all the techniques in those songs and you pretty much can feel the familiarity in the other songs. It's not bad, that is already an amazing drum vocabulary and there are so many variations MP did, but it is also true that the vocabulary never expanded much after SDOIT.
Once again, I don't agree with that simplification.. I don't think he has a new "letter" (following your metaphor) for every new song he makes, but the ones he uses and the different combinations he makes are great enough for my ears..
It's worth mentioning that what I and many others like of his style (and this would work on every other musician and maybe it's a obvious thing to say, but I'm saying it anyway) has a lot to do with the bands he has played in, mainly DT for being his main band for that many years, and also obviously with a lot of drummers that have inspired him... not only with his talent or practice.. Moreover, I never said his vocabulary "expanded much" after SDoIT.. I think he just thought his playing was fine the way it was, and didn't bothered to improv much since then.. But everyone can listening to those albums and easily notice the new stuff he brought to the band in songs like TDS, SoC, ItNoG!!, PA, SS, 8V, TDEN!!, or TMoLS.. And I'm not talking abut the obvious sounding changes, but about different rhythms and fills especially in all those songs..
tfw you see a few new pages in the thread and got excited because you think there's a new update, but it turns out to be another load of shitpost
tfw you see people getting upset to other people for debating in a forum made for people to debate..
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lol
MP is and will be truly the gift that keeps giving in DT land. It's uncanny how chill things were before he posted that comment. :lol Way to keep us entertained in DT-related discussion these days.
@ToT-147:
It's fine that you love and admire MP so much, as lots of us once did (and probably some still do); but I think the whole point was that you got pretty defensive and seemingly upset about someone making a remark about his repetitive use of fills. I mean, if I had to throw my opinion into the pot I would kind of agree that MP's drumming became somewhat stale (in terms of drumming finesse) after 2002 because he definitely became more of a quantity over quality guy (it's very VERY hard to maintain a certain degree of quality and creative invention when you're putting out so much music), although he remained an incredibly solid and fun to watch drummer (and still is).
Let's think of JP, for example. He has the creativity, technical prowess and the skill to play in more material than the albums he formally puts out (although that second solo album is really draggin'!), but you can really feel in his playing and evolution that his creative energies are focused in DT. A Mike Portnoy fan might easily say: but that's MP's magic. He's just way too creative and skilled to be only focused in one project (as one of MP's main arguments of why he left the band back in 2010); but that's not usually the way it works. He IS incredibly skilled, and incredibly talented in marketing himself; but he's become more of a "MP the guy that plays everywhere" brand more than the "MP the virtuoso drummer" brand that he had a couple of decades ago.
And also, the guy is smart. He knows his (and DT's) fanbase like the palm of his hand. He knows people are discussing this as we speak, because he knows his "harmless" Instagram comment triggers people like us :lol As someone said, it derails attention from DT's actual recording process to him. Maybe he meant no harm, but he's not dumb. He knows what happens every time he comments things like these. You'll never see JP or even JR (the actual members he's still close to) posting things like those in his social media because, well, they're JP and JR.
And on the actual subject of the album: I'm so excited that MM is bringing lyrical ideas into the fold. That's going to be something incredible because I have no earthly idea of what to expect out of that.
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Based on how I hear and play it, his entire playing vocabulary is in Metropolis Pt. 1, The Mirror, Peruvian Skies, Trial of Tears, and The Glass Prison. Study all the techniques in those songs and you pretty much can feel the familiarity in the other songs. It's not bad, that is already an amazing drum vocabulary and there are so many variations MP did, but it is also true that the vocabulary never expanded much after SDOIT.
Once again, I don't agree with that simplification.. I don't think he has a new "letter" (following your metaphor) for every new song he makes, but the ones he uses and the different combinations he makes are great enough for my ears..
It's worth mentioning that what I and many others like of his style (and this would work on every other musician and maybe it's a obvious thing to say, but I'm saying it anyway) has a lot to do with the bands he has played in, mainly DT for being his main band for that many years, and also obviously with a lot of drummers that have inspired him... not only with his talent or practice.. Moreover, I never said his vocabulary "expanded much" after SDoIT.. I think he just thought his playing was fine the way it was, and didn't bothered to improv much since then.. But everyone can listening to those albums and easily notice the new stuff he brought to the band in songs like TDS, SoC, ItNoG!!, PA, SS, 8V, TDEN!!, or TMoLS.. And I'm not talking abut the obvious sounding changes, but about different rhythms and fills especially in all those songs..
tfw you see a few new pages in the thread and got excited because you think there's a new update, but it turns out to be another load of shitpost
tfw you see people getting upset to other people for debating in a forum made for people to debate..
I think we're just mixing up observation with judgment of quality.
For instance. James Hetfield might be my favorite guitarist. Has been for over 20 years. Dude is my biggest inspiration. Is he repetitive? OH HELL YEA. Does it matter to me? Nah. Dude is amazing, even if he largely sticks to the same notes.
Being repetitive does not mean you're a lesser musician. There's some great qualities to it. I can hear a MP song I've never heard and instantly recognize it's him. That's not the case with most drummers. The reason I recognize is him is because he has a specific style (as varied as it can be) and part of that is how repetitive he is. MP is one of my favorite drummers, but the dude DOES use the same bag of tricks over and over. They're a great bag of tricks and work 95% of the time, but he is repetitive.
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My bad for making mention of MP's response in JP's Instagram post. I was the one who derailed the thread here. Sorry.
Back to the new album, I'm excited for it. Can't wait for the next update. Can't wait for the first song to be released for all to hear. I have high hopes for this release simply because it's the next DT album.
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Looks like Jordan has begun tracking keyboards!
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Looks like Jordan has begun tracking keyboards!
If both James and Jordan are tracking simultaneously, I really really hope they finish the recordings this coming week, so they can move into the mixing stage very soon :metal
The cool thing is, they seem to have applied almost everything the vast majority of the fanbase wanted: writing as a band, lyric inputs by the other members, lots of studio updates, better drum sound, etc, which makes me even more excited to know who is going to mix the album this time. Nothing against Chycki, but the consensus seems to be that pleople want someone else mixing DT.
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I’m still in shock that it takes a professional band 4 albums to get a good drum sound (assuming it is actually good on this latest effort).
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I’m still in shock that it takes a professional band 4 albums to get a good drum sound (assuming it is actually good on this latest effort).
I thought the drum sound has been just fine on the previous three albums, especially TA.. I don't understand why people think the drums sound so bad. Maybe someone with better trained ears can tell me what I'm missing. I've been in bands myself, and I am kind of picky about a good drum sound.
That was my biggest complaint about Rush's Clockwork Angels tour, the drums were so muffled.
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For instance. James Hetfield might be my favorite guitarist. Has been for over 20 years. Dude is my biggest inspiration. Is he repetitive? OH HELL YEA. Does it matter to me? Nah. Dude is amazing, even if he largely sticks to the same notes.
Last year I was given a CD copy of Hardwired... to self-destruct as a present. My favourite bit is the intro to "Confusion"...
Bam
Bam
Ba-ba-ba, Bam
Bam
Bam
Ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-ba, Bam
Bam
Ba-ba-ba, Bam
Bam
Bam
Ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-ba, Bam...
So stupidly simple, it can't get any better. :metal
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I’m still in shock that it takes a professional band 4 albums to get a good drum sound (assuming it is actually good on this latest effort).
I don't think the drums are as terrible as lots of people think, but I agree there hasn't been a moment in these past records that I'm astonished (pun very intended) with the drum sound. I think it's more of a thing that MP had a SUPER distinctive and really good (IMO) drum sound that we had all grown used to for many years. Not only the sound, but his playing and the whole way DT records were mixed were very constant in the band's history, and we were comfortable and happy with that. That being said, I can listen to those three records just fine without the need of nitpicking every subtle drum nuance.
With Portnoy not co-producing (or playing) in the records, it was obvious that things were not gonna be the same. I could almost bet that, if ADTOE/DT/TA were released by a band that wasn't Dream Theater, there wouldn't be such a big outbreak regarding the drum sound. NOTE: I'm talking from a studio album perspective, the live records are something else. I have more of an issue with Luna Park's overall mix than any other of the Chycki-era DT releases, which feels weird given Chycki has mixed some wonderful live and studio albums. Maybe it was a tracking thing? Probably we'll never know (listens to the overcompressed and uncomfortably loud vocals from the acoustic set in Luna Park).
That being said, I'm super happy they went a totally different way with this record, regarding the studio, the engineering, the production, etc. The few clips that have had drums sound killer and I'm very positive it's going to turn out great.
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Last year I was given a CD copy of Hardwired... to self-destruct as a present. My favourite bit is the intro to "Confusion"...
Bam
Bam
Ba-ba-ba, Bam
Bam
Bam
Ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-ba, Bam
Bam
Ba-ba-ba, Bam
Bam
Bam
Ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-ba, Bam...
So stupidly simple, it can't get any better. :metal
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I thought the drum sound has been just fine on the previous three albums, especially TA.. I don't understand why people think the drums sound so bad. Maybe someone with better trained ears can tell me what I'm missing. I've been in bands myself, and I am kind of picky about a good drum sound.
That was my biggest complaint about Rush's Clockwork Angels tour, the drums were so muffled.
For me, ADTOE, the drums are too much in the background. Mike is doing some amazing things, but they get lost under the guitars. At the end of Bridges In The Sky, it literally sound like machine guns with what MM is going on the kick drums and toms. That was a cool part that got lost. Also, it's a small complaint because I only noticed it on the isolated track, but the snare is weird. A lot of reverb.
DT's sound is very processed, doesn't sound real. It all sounds triggered.
TA was the step in the right direction. The little clip we've seen so far of the drums, they sound way better
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@Adami Are you trying to change my mind by comparing Hetfield to Portnoy?.. Good luck with that lol.. Fwiw, I agree with the rest of your post, except with the "repetitive" part, which is getting very repetitive btw...
@DarkLord_Lalinc Two things: first, the discussion was never about my reaction.. The guys were expressing their opinion about MP's playing, which is fine in itself, but not in the way one of them first put it; also, they weren't understanding what my opinion was and, worse, they started to misrepresenting it, so I needed to clarify it.. Second, about getting upset, well, sorry for being a human being that happens to like something and feels bad when someone (or some, like in this case) attack that very thing.. You can't deny the way it was first said was very childish and calling for discussion, as MP does regularly..
One Last Thing (:v): even if the thread might have derailed a bit with this back and forth about MP (as someone said, we started this little chat for something a former member of the band posted on a current member's post about the new album; it's not that we're talking about sports), this tinny deviation from the thread's main issue doesn't change our hype or focus on the news about the album.. As soon as we keep getting updates we'll be talking about them as we actually never really stop doing.. So I don't see the point in complaining that much about all this Little Debate.. ;)
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So, it seems Jordan has just started tracking
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm9dehTnGj_/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=6h0t8od0i6c9
Sorry to get back on topic
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So stupidly simple, it can't get any better. :metal
Actually, as simple or stupid you might think it is, that section is on 3/4 and 5/4, so, while maybe still being stupid, at least is not that simple.. :lol I actually remember that in my first listen of the song I wasn't able to catch the time signature in all the time the pattern is repeated, and that's a very long time..
So, it seems Jordan has just started tracking
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm9dehTnGj_/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=6h0t8od0i6c9
Sorry to get back on topic
Speaking of the "topic", it isn't maybe time to update the thread's title?..
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Actually, as simple or stupid you might think it is, that section is on 3/4 and 5/4, so, while maybe still being stupid, at least is not that simple.. :lol I actually remember that in my first listen of the song I wasn't able to catch the time signature in all the time the pattern is repeated, and that's a very long time..
Vos sabés que la primera vez que la escuché me pasó lo mismo - me costó un huevo encontrar la métrica. Al principio me pareció como vos decís: 3/4 + 5/4. Pero, desde entonces, lo escucho como 2 compases de 4/4; como referencia uso los riffs que se escuchan por arriba. ¿Vos no te perdés al contar de a 3 y 5? (Quizás por eso le pusieron "Confusion". :P)
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Yeah, someone please change the thread title. They entered the studio more than 2 weeks ago :lol
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Looks like Jordan has begun tracking keyboards!
If both James and Jordan are tracking simultaneously, I really really hope they finish the recordings this coming week, so they can move into the mixing stage very soon :metal
The cool thing is, they seem to have applied almost everything the vast majority of the fanbase wanted: writing as a band, lyric inputs by the other members, lots of studio updates, better drum sound, etc, which makes me even more excited to know who is going to mix the album this time. Nothing against Chycki, but the consensus seems to be that pleople want someone else mixing DT.
Chycki was never mentioned during the updates given to us. The person that actually was mentioned is James Meslin (aka Jimmy T), so IMHO it's safe to assume he will mix and engineer. (he worked on the Xanadu cover with the guys as one example) Chycki is working with Phil X and Richie Sambora right now if I'm not mistaken. Anyone who knows better may gladly correct me if I'm wrong.
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Wow, I came in here to catch up from the weekend, and found almost 3 pages of completely off-topic discussion. It should go without saying that the out-of-nowhere MP bashing and criticism of his fills was completely uncalled for, as was the over-the-top defensiveness in response. Keep the thread on topic, and keep the MP bashing to Facebook and Blabbermouth comments. It has no place here.
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But we can talk about his Instagram post re: the album?
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Vos sabés que la primera vez que la escuché me pasó lo mismo - me costó un huevo encontrar la métrica. Al principio me pareció como vos decís: 3/4 + 5/4. Pero, desde entonces, lo escucho como 2 compases de 4/4; como referencia uso los riffs que se escuchan por arriba. ¿Vos no te perdés al contar de a 3 y 5? (Quizás por eso le pusieron "Confusion". :P)
:lol Tal cual.. Pasa que los compases por lo general se dividen según en dónde esté puesto el énfasis, por eso creo que en la partitura original debe figurar como 3/4 y 5/4.. Pero bueno, mejor volvamos al tema porque ya suficiente cagada a pedos me comí, jajaa..
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A question for the more experienced in such things: how long does the mixing stage usually take? Or is it totally random?
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A question for the more experienced in such things: how long does the mixing stage usually take? Or is it totally random?
Totally depends on the band and the album. For DT, they usually don't take more than a couple weeks.
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A question for the more experienced in such things: how long does the mixing stage usually take? Or is it totally random?
Depends on a lot of things. Number of songs, how dense the songs are (track wise) how much time went into pre-production, how good the performances were, how bad JP wants to make the drums sound, figuring exactly how low to keep JM in the mix, etc. Also depends on how many hours a day/days a week they dedicate to it.
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A question for the more experienced in such things: how long does the mixing stage usually take? Or is it totally random?
Depends on a lot of things. Number of songs, how dense the songs are (track wise) how much time went into pre-production, how good the performances were, how bad JP wants to make the drums sound, figuring exactly how low to keep JM in the mix, etc. Also depends on how many hours a day/days a week they dedicate to it.
You, naughty boy! :lol
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Considering the last albums he is quite right. Unfortunately.
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A question for the more experienced in such things: how long does the mixing stage usually take? Or is it totally random?
Depends on a lot of things. Number of songs, how dense the songs are (track wise) how much time went into pre-production, how good the performances were, how bad JP wants to make the drums sound, figuring exactly how low to keep JM in the mix, etc. Also depends on how many hours a day/days a week they dedicate to it.
Obviously JP is a guitar god and an extraordinary musician, but when it comes to mixing, he's a mere mortal and he needs to leave it to real professionals. Bands with 1/100 of DT's budget sound better than post-MP DT albums.
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A question for the more experienced in such things: how long does the mixing stage usually take? Or is it totally random?
I've been following DT's album cycles since 2007. Judging by the liner notes in the booklets, and their posts on social media, the mixing+mastering stage usually lasts a month or 2.
For example:
The self-titled album's recording was wrapped up in late May 2013.
(source: https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/photos/a.133462500039104/566817716703578)
The mixing wrapped up in late June.
(https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/photos/a.133462500039104/581543768564306/?type=3)
As someone mentioned before, it depends on the project and the artist, of course. In DT's case, though, the mixing is usually done in around 30 days.
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DT12 post production happened in exactly the same time frame. It might be faster this time around because Petruccinator said that they get a reference mix from James Meslin and then they only have to tweak certain things IIRC. (might have been James who said it though)
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DT12 post production happened in exactly the same time frame. It might be faster this time around because Petruccinator said that they get a reference mix from James Meslin and then they only have to tweak certain things IIRC. (might have been James who said it though)
It's not that simple. And if they manage to hire another name to mix it, it might take a few more time.
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DT12 post production happened in exactly the same time frame. It might be faster this time around because Petruccinator said that they get a reference mix from James Meslin and then they only have to tweak certain things IIRC. (might have been James who said it though)
It's not that simple. And if they manage to hire another name to mix it, it might take a few more time.
True, but the thing that usually really draws out the mixing process is when band members get involved and go back and forth on mixes. It seems that since MP left, JP is really the only one, as the producer, that is involved with the mixer. Even with MP and JP co-produced albums though, DT typically mix and master records pretty efficiently.
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If anything, we should hope they spend more time mixing this one. Mixing quickly doesn't usually result in a better product, especially a DT album where it's much more complicated than getting some decent levels.
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If anything, we should hope they spend more time mixing this one. Mixing quickly doesn't usually result in a better product, especially a DT album where it's much more complicated than getting some decent levels.
Yup, I'd tend to agree. Maybe they need a little more of that back and forth.
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If anything, we should hope they spend more time mixing this one. Mixing quickly doesn't usually result in a better product, especially a DT album where it's much more complicated than getting some decent levels.
Yup, I'd tend to agree. Maybe they need a little more of that back and forth.
Just to make a point here, as someone who's been inside a studio for some time, sometimes the "more of that back and forth" doesn't necessarily translates into a better mixing. Just a little more caring and attention to some details in post-production and it's enough.
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If anything, we should hope they spend more time mixing this one. Mixing quickly doesn't usually result in a better product, especially a DT album where it's much more complicated than getting some decent levels.
Yup, I'd tend to agree. Maybe they need a little more of that back and forth.
Just to make a point here, as someone who's been inside a studio for some time, sometimes the "more of that back and forth" doesn't necessarily translates into a better mixing. Just a little more caring and attention to some details in post-production and it's enough.
For sure, more back and forth doesn't automatically mean anything. Might be a better end result, might not.
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If anything, we should hope they spend more time mixing this one. Mixing quickly doesn't usually result in a better product, especially a DT album where it's much more complicated than getting some decent levels.
Yup, I'd tend to agree. Maybe they need a little more of that back and forth.
Just to make a point here, as someone who's been inside a studio for some time, sometimes the "more of that back and forth" doesn't necessarily translates into a better mixing. Just a little more caring and attention to some details in post-production and it's enough.
Yes, I was a studio engineer as well. Obviously there's no blanket formula for everyone. I was speaking for DT specifically, whose last 2/3 albums have had a lot of criticism regarding their production value and have all basically followed the exact same production formula.
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the thing that usually really draws out the mixing process is when band members get involved and go back and forth on mixes. It seems that since MP left, JP is really the only one, as the producer, that is involved with the mixer. Even with MP and JP co-produced albums though, DT typically mix and master records pretty efficiently.
Is this something they have confirmed at some point?.. That only MP/JP or (now) only JP and no other band member were involved in the mix?.. Because getting involved and going back and forth on mixes is not only a thing that producers do, but also the rest of the band, like when in the David Prater's days (I&W, for instance) the whole band was there making suggestions or asking for little changes here and there (especially MP and KM according to Prater)..
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IIRC, JP took Jordan with him for the ADTOE mixing sessions with Andy Wallace.
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the thing that usually really draws out the mixing process is when band members get involved and go back and forth on mixes. It seems that since MP left, JP is really the only one, as the producer, that is involved with the mixer. Even with MP and JP co-produced albums though, DT typically mix and master records pretty efficiently.
Is this something they have confirmed at some point?.. That only MP/JP or (now) only JP and no other band member were involved in the mix?.. Because getting involved and going back and forth on mixes is not only a thing that producers do, but also the rest of the band, like when in the David Prater's days (I&W, for instance) the whole band was there making suggestions or asking for little changes here and there (especially MP and KM according to Prater)..
Not confirmed by the band, just my guess as to how the process goes at this point in the band's career.
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Would be cool if they were all there during the mixing this time to put their own input in, without getting in each other’s way, of course.
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Would be cool if they were all there during the mixing this time to put their own input in, without getting in each other’s way, of course.
But maybe that's exactly how they been working all this time.. That's what I was asking.. Also, I see nothing wrong in one member suggesting something regarding the instrument's eq of another member.. That actually might happen a lot once all members (or at least more than one) are there in the mixing room..
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Longest. 2 weeks. Ever.
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Longest. 2 weeks. Ever.
Yeah, it's all an elaborate troll by JP and they are still booking the studio time. :rollin
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There should be a rule against 'Time specific thread titles' :lol :lol :lol
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figuring exactly how low to keep JM in the mix, etc.
"OK, you see that bass level there? Bring it down." - Lars Ulrich
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Another snippet, really proggy one, from the album!
https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/1897086137050722/
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Woah, that section sounds killer!
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Yeah I enjoy it quite a bit. Slightly ELP and Gentle Giant as well IMHO.
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Another snippet, really proggy one, from the album!
https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/1897086137050722/
Fine!
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That little part does sound pretty cool! Everything has sounded like its got good potential to be great so far
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Another snippet, really proggy one, from the album!
https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/1897086137050722/
Wonder if we'll get any sounds from Matty's tiny NOMAC on the next LP? ;)
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I think this album will be pretty awesome... all conditions are great! Everyone involved in composition and texting, concentrating on a better drum sound, bringing back the metal in DTs music. And the band seems very relaxed all the time and they seem to have a lot of fun. I really can't wait for this one...
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I think it's a natural development after The Astonishing. After such a mammoth album with Petrucci wanting to take charge of basically everything, it was only logical that not only the other guys, but Petrucci himself would want a more relaxed and group approach.
After you've directed a 3 hours colossal a director may feel tempted to go for a 90 minutes comedy after all (kinda weird example but just to make the point).
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the snippet sounds like ADTOE mixed with Haken
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Snippet sounds good, very proggy for sure.
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The landing drone would sound cool on some track in the album. Mini nomac? Lol
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The landing drone would sound cool on some track in the album. Mini nomac? Lol
Please don't let Rudess read this.
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Yeeeees! More snippets! Keep 'em coming!
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Is the Drone okay? ???
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I'm already liking MM's stuff on this album and I'm not really into drums! :0
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I'm a drummer and I love what we heard so far. (the sound and the notes played)
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I'm liking this, we're on for a
threat treat :yarr
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Is the Drone okay? ???
The Drone is fine. More to come.
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Slightly ELP and Gentle Giant as well IMHO.
Oh dear god no.
the snippet sounds like ADTOE mixed with Haken
I am sure the comparison with Haken would stop once James' superior vocals came in. :biggrin:
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Either way, I like what we can hear in that snippet and literally everything they teased so far. That's all.
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Is the Drone okay? ???
The Drone is fine. More to come.
:tup
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Dream Drone Theater
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Dream Drone Theater
:lol
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Is that drone on loan from Muse? :biggrin:
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So Hef and Maddi reappear during the same week? :neverusethis:
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here is another cool bit by Jordan IMHO: https://www.instagram.com/p/BnFh7znHERa/?taken-by=jcrudess, we might ultimately find it on the album somewhere
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I think the video was for the purpose of teaching & showing rhythmic displacement.
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That too I'm sure
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Like everything so far too. I am hoping for a better mix and master this time as well. It is encouraging that they are aware of the drum sound issue and addressing it. I thought The Astonishing was a step in the right direction. All you have to do to see the difference these things make is to listen to any of Steven Wilson's albums from Fear of a Black Planet and later. This is when he started preserving more dynamics in the master. They sound so clear, present, and energetic. It feels like you are there in the room with them. When you play a recent DT album right after you really notice the difference. The DT albums sound more muted and lifeless by comparison.
Try this test if you are interested. Try listening to a DT12 track. False Awaking Suite is fine. Then right away switch to the first track of Fear of a Blank Planet. (CD version preferably) When the drums start you will immediately notice a HUGE difference in the presence and clarity. It just makes you dream and wonder what a DT album might sound like with production like that. Imagine DT12 with that kind of snare.
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Imagine SW being good at creating music.. :neverusethis:
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Well yes, SW is great at creating music. :hefdaddy I agree 100%. However it his attention to the sound and production that makes him pretty unique. I wish DT could get him to do the mixing and mastering but I doubt it will ever happen. Who knows though.
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Nah, you didn't understand me... or didn't want to..
Anyways, I'll say what I've been saying and thinking the past 5 years: I don't care about the sound or the mix at all, only the music.. Which, judging by the snippets, is more than promising, as usual... although I guess we don't need any snippet at all to know that the music will be really great, as usual..
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Anyways, I'll say what I've been saying and thinking the past 5 years: I don't care about the sound or the mix at all, only the music.. Which, judging by the snippets, is more than promising, as usual... although I guess we don't need any snippet at all to know that the music will be really great, as usual..
Indeed! :metal
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The mix IS the music
The sound, by definition, IS the music
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Yeah, I don't know why anyone would want to listen to SW. For ANY reason.
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Well, I love SW's music. :-\
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Yeah, I don't know why anyone would want to listen to SW. For ANY reason.
reported.
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Yeah, I don't know why anyone would want to listen to SW. For ANY reason.
I don’t know who you are referring to when using SW because I KNOW you’re not talking about Steven Wilson!
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Yeah, I don't know why anyone would want to listen to SW. For ANY reason.
I'm totally with you on this. Oh that reminds me of another thread I have to post in...
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Yeah, I don't know why anyone would want to listen to SW. For ANY reason.
U fuckin w0t m8.
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I don't understand.
Talking Book, Songs in the Key of Life, Innervisions and Fulfillingness First Finale are terrific albums.
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The mix IS the music
The sound, by definition, IS the music
What?.. No.. Each one of those words has its own different definition.. You can have music without the mix, and the sound is music!?... I can't even....
The sound is the sound, and all you can do is live with it..
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Another snippet, really proggy one, from the album!
https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/1897086137050722/
I like how this sounds like every Dream Theater instrumental breakdown part ever. If I had to give someone a snippet of the "typical Dream Theater sound", this would probably be it.
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Thanks for going back on topic. Yes I love it too. All the teasers we've been given are great and I'm relieved about that and the band's current state. I think they needed that.
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Ok, prediction time!
How long will the longest track last?
How many instrumental tracks?
How many ''classic'' DT tracks, around 10 mins?
I think they are going safe with this album, so I'd say longest track will be 15-20 min, 1 instrumental track and 4 tracks longer than 10 mins
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Ok, prediction time!
How long will the longest track last?
How many instrumental tracks?
How many ''classic'' DT tracks, around 10 mins?
I think they are going safe with this album, so I'd say longest track will be 15-20 min, 1 instrumental track and 4 tracks longer than 10 mins
Well, James mentioned in an interview he did last year that they may write a long piece again (meaning 20 minutes and up), IIRC. I may be wrong though. I would think three or four tenner-range pieces and one or two 20+-ers. But what do I know.
Or: one long piece, one instrumental or two (full instrumentals not counting False Awakening, although that was cool), 2-4 tenners and the rest may be short pieces to land in the 70-90 minute range. But I rather stick to actual facts, sorry.
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How long will the longest track last?
14:39
How many instrumental tracks?
1.
How many ''classic'' DT tracks, around 10 mins?
1.
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I'm fine with an album like A Dramatic Turn of Events, songs length wise (and the balance of it).
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I'm predicting 10 tracks
1 of them 15 min
1 of them 13 min
The rest of them 8 min and under
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Ok, prediction time!
Quick, someone bring us a pie chart!
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1. 11:00
2. 5:30
3. 4:30
4. 5:00 (instrumental)
5. 6:00
6. 7:00
7. 2:30
8. 19:00
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I'm betting for no instrumentals this time around, unless if one has already been confirmed. I'm not that up to date with all the pieces of info...
1. 7:20
2. 4.00
3. 6:40
4. 12:20
5. 5:10
6. 9:00
7. 8:20
8. 12:50
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1. 9:20
2. 6:30
3. 5:20
4. 10:40
5. 4:30
6. 7:30
7. 12:20
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I'm fine with an album like A Dramatic Turn of Events, songs length wise (and the balance of it).
Yeah, that really was a perfectly balanced album.
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I'm fine with an album like A Dramatic Turn of Events, songs length wise (and the balance of it).
Yeah, that really was a perfectly balanced album.
and this is one of the reasons why I think it's their best record to date.
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You guys are crazy :rollin
But I love this discussion ;) I hope that IF they write a longer piece, it's more consistent than Illumination Theory. DT have proven that they are able to compose long songs (8vm), but Illumination Theory didn't have enough leitmotifs imo.
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I'm fine with an album like A Dramatic Turn of Events, songs length wise (and the balance of it).
Yeah, that really was a perfectly balanced album.
it was well-balanced, but lacks a long epic in my opinion
I prefer how SC is balanced
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1. 7:00
2. 15:30
3. 5:30
4. 5:00
5. 8:30
6. 6:30
7. 5:00
8. 4:00
9. 6:00
10. 13:00
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You guys are crazy :rollin
But I love this discussion ;) I hope that IF they write a longer piece, it's more consistent than Illumination Theory. DT have proven that they are able to compose long songs (8vm), but Illumination Theory didn't have enough leitmotifs imo.
I love Illumination Theory. And Octavarium too. :)
Hey... why don't you pop on over to the Threshold thread and tell me about their set? [said in a very laid back and nonchalant way]
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I predict that 3:45 - 4:15 in track 3 will blow our minds.
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I'm fine with an album like A Dramatic Turn of Events, songs length wise (and the balance of it).
Yeah, that really was a perfectly balanced album.
it was well-balanced, but lacks a long epic in my opinion
ADtoE has minimal problems or issues keeping it from being magnificent. I don't think a lack of a long epic is one of them. It's not an album that called for one or would have been improved by one.
Not a prediction, but praying for no instrumental.
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How about an instrumental with only JR playing leads and solos and JP only playing rhythm? JR would be able to show his wide range of instruments.
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They’ve done a bunch of instrumentals recently so I’d be very surprised if there’s one on the new album.
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1 - 56:20 :laugh:
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Not sure if this has been posted but check it out
https://www.facebook.com/MarlonGibbonsComposer/?hc_ref=ARTiyx4f04O0-cX332SuAWUkbSkVd4WgVS9MU_aYm3x__Nyur03ha5vxsktKEX59VP8&fref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARBLfy_bXlxeKz0dBsjmpH4Nx2kAUxQpiXKCeI9yVFcj8aGlifA4VJyZhiXAlsfv2wTBlGT80QJmLR7iG2IcsyB24MSmvpJ6krdv9KeQA7pnwxk9Lg1wDijWLDeQ7r_VUVEvK3BA_F89yN8Q_sh2ybYpZx9S9cSJCBbx2YjfeFyS9gzJN3PhaA&__tn__=kCH-R
Seems like Marlon Gibbons recorded JLB vocals and is working with JR as well.
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Not sure if this has been posted but check it out
https://www.facebook.com/MarlonGibbonsComposer/?hc_ref=ARTiyx4f04O0-cX332SuAWUkbSkVd4WgVS9MU_aYm3x__Nyur03ha5vxsktKEX59VP8&fref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARBLfy_bXlxeKz0dBsjmpH4Nx2kAUxQpiXKCeI9yVFcj8aGlifA4VJyZhiXAlsfv2wTBlGT80QJmLR7iG2IcsyB24MSmvpJ6krdv9KeQA7pnwxk9Lg1wDijWLDeQ7r_VUVEvK3BA_F89yN8Q_sh2ybYpZx9S9cSJCBbx2YjfeFyS9gzJN3PhaA&__tn__=kCH-R
Seems like Marlon Gibbons recorded JLB vocals and is working with JR as well.
That appears to be for JR's solo album not DT14.
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Not sure if this has been posted but check it out
https://www.facebook.com/MarlonGibbonsComposer/?hc_ref=ARTiyx4f04O0-cX332SuAWUkbSkVd4WgVS9MU_aYm3x__Nyur03ha5vxsktKEX59VP8&fref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARBLfy_bXlxeKz0dBsjmpH4Nx2kAUxQpiXKCeI9yVFcj8aGlifA4VJyZhiXAlsfv2wTBlGT80QJmLR7iG2IcsyB24MSmvpJ6krdv9KeQA7pnwxk9Lg1wDijWLDeQ7r_VUVEvK3BA_F89yN8Q_sh2ybYpZx9S9cSJCBbx2YjfeFyS9gzJN3PhaA&__tn__=kCH-R
Seems like Marlon Gibbons recorded JLB vocals and is working with JR as well.
That appears to be for JR's solo album not DT14.
Thats still pretty cool news. JLB on JRs Solo album, can't wait for it.
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I want a 17 minute John Myung spoken word track, that's something we've never seen on a DT record before :biggrin:
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I want a 17 minute John Myung spoken word track, that's something we've never seen on a DT record before :biggrin:
I'd be down for that.
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If they do any long songs I really don't want 5 minutes of ambient sounds with nothing or very little going on.
I edit tracks like Octavarium, Illumination Theory, and The Count of Tuscany to remove these parts since I mostly listen in my car. I'd rather them take those 5 minutes and write another stand-alone song.
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If they do any long songs I really don't want 5 minutes of ambient sounds with nothing or very little going on.
I edit tracks like Octavarium, Illumination Theory, and The Count of Tuscany to remove these parts since I mostly listen in my car. I'd rather them take those 5 minutes and write another stand-alone song.
I tend to edit a lot of the long songs as well. I shortened the sfx / string part in IT by half or so, and I feel it fits much better. However I enjoy the Octavarium intro...maybe it's all about placement because the IT string section is nice, it's just too long in the context of the song IMO.
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If they do any long songs I really don't want 5 minutes of ambient sounds with nothing or very little going on.
I edit tracks like Octavarium, Illumination Theory, and The Count of Tuscany to remove these parts since I mostly listen in my car. I'd rather them take those 5 minutes and write another stand-alone song.
But... but those parts are stunningly beautiful.
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If they do any long songs I really don't want 5 minutes of ambient sounds with nothing or very little going on.
I edit tracks like Octavarium, Illumination Theory, and The Count of Tuscany to remove these parts since I mostly listen in my car. I'd rather them take those 5 minutes and write another stand-alone song.
None of those songs have anything like what you describe, unless you count the silence at the end of Illumination Theory before the ending credits coda at the very end.
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TCOT's mid section is really cool. But IT's so f'n lame. I have that edited out. I just don't understand why it is needed or what it adds to the song. At least with TCOT, it's a true bridge.
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I have no issues with the Octavarium intro or the mid section in TCOT, but the string section in IT does feel a bit long and out of place for the flow of the song. Still, those ambient moments give the songs a chance to breathe, and I appreciate that.
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I have no issues with the Octavarium intro or the mid section in TCOT, but the string section in IT does feel a bit long and out of place for the flow of the song.
:iagree:
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the string section in IT does feel a bit long and out of place for the flow of the song. Still, those ambient moments give the songs a chance to breathe, and I appreciate that.
For me, the middle section of IT is perfect given the narrative structure of the song. The first half of the song proper asks "What are you willing to live for? To die for? To kill for?" Then it goes ambient, sort of like mirroring the lack of answers. Then the first half of the string section which sounds like a journey. Then the second half of the string section (which reprises the melody of the song's intro) is like the moment of enlightenment. Then it goes back to the song proper with the answers to the earlier questions. "Mothers (willing to live, die, kill) for their children." "A soldier (willing to live, die, kill) for his country." "Rebels (willing to live, die, kill) for their freedom"
The structure of the song make perfect sense if you follow the narrative. :D
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You guys are crazy :rollin
But I love this discussion ;) I hope that IF they write a longer piece, it's more consistent than Illumination Theory. DT have proven that they are able to compose long songs (8vm), but Illumination Theory didn't have enough leitmotifs imo.
I love Illumination Theory. And Octavarium too. :)
Hey... why don't you pop on over to the Threshold thread and tell me about their set? [said in a very laid back and nonchalant way]
Holy shit I totally forgot about that, sorry :omg:
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I think I'm in both sides for those songs. On one hand, the songs were created that way and those parts add to the overall atmosphere and vibe of the song. But after the albums are out and new albums arrive and you listen to the songs for the gazillionth time, I guess there's really no harm for practical purpouses to cut those parts off.
I still have on my mp3 player a 12 minutes version of The Count of Tuscany and that's my go-to version to listen to whenever I'm actually in Tuscany.
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Is that a YES influence to writing epics? It's the structure of songs like Endless Dream.
DT has three epics with the same structure: SDOIT (Goodnight Kiss as the soft middle section with ambient parts), TCOT, and IT.
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Yet "Endless Dream" is the best of them all.. And that's saying alot!
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Is that a YES influence to writing epics? It's the structure of songs like Endless Dream.
DT has three epics with the same structure: SDOIT (Goodnight Kiss as the soft middle section with ambient parts, TCOT, and IT.
Arguably Close To The Edge had the same idea decades before. :biggrin:
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the string section in IT does feel a bit long and out of place for the flow of the song. Still, those ambient moments give the songs a chance to breathe, and I appreciate that.
For me, the middle section of IT is perfect given the narrative structure of the song. The first half of the song proper asks "What are you willing to live for? To die for? To kill for?" Then it goes ambient, sort of like mirroring the lack of answers. Then the first half of the string section which sounds like a journey. Then the second half of the string section (which reprises the melody of the song's intro) is like the moment of enlightenment. Then it goes back to the song proper with the answers to the earlier questions. "Mothers (willing to live, die, kill) for their children." "A soldier (willing to live, die, kill) for his country." "Rebels (willing to live, die, kill) for their freedom"
The structure of the song make perfect sense if you follow the narrative. :D
Well, that’s a very good analysis :hefdaddy
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Yeah - really cool erwinrafaelbittencourt. I kind of thought about the lyrics like that, but not necessarily how the transition fits into it. Very cool. :)
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the string section in IT does feel a bit long and out of place for the flow of the song. Still, those ambient moments give the songs a chance to breathe, and I appreciate that.
For me, the middle section of IT is perfect given the narrative structure of the song. The first half of the song proper asks "What are you willing to live for? To die for? To kill for?" Then it goes ambient, sort of like mirroring the lack of answers. Then the first half of the string section which sounds like a journey. Then the second half of the string section (which reprises the melody of the song's intro) is like the moment of enlightenment. Then it goes back to the song proper with the answers to the earlier questions. "Mothers (willing to live, die, kill) for their children." "A soldier (willing to live, die, kill) for his country." "Rebels (willing to live, die, kill) for their freedom"
The structure of the song make perfect sense if you follow the narrative. :D
Well, that’s a very good analysis :hefdaddy
I'll second that. :tup
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Agreed. If one doesn't like the string section of IT, that is one thing, but when someone says it doesn't fit into the song or feels out of place, it makes me wonder if they have really "listened" to the song.
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I edit tracks like Octavarium, Illumination Theory, and The Count of Tuscany to remove these parts since I mostly listen in my car. I'd rather them take those 5 minutes and write another stand-alone song.
I tend to edit a lot of the long songs as well. I shortened the sfx / string part in IT by half or so, and I feel it fits much better. However I enjoy the Octavarium intro...maybe it's all about placement because the IT string section is nice, it's just too long in the context of the song IMO.
What's with all this editing songs? That never would have occurred to me. I don't skip boring chapters in books or fast forward through interesting parts of movies.
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I havedon't also edited and cut out the middle sections of TCOT and IT for the versions I listen on shuffle when I'm in the car or walking.
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IT is the only thing I've edited. I removed almost all the ambient section, leaving just enough so that it still transitions really nicely into the string section (which I definitely wouldn't remove) and also cutting the gap before the easter egg.
I understand why people don't like the idea of messing with something the artist has put so much time and effort into crafting though.
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I edit tracks like Octavarium, Illumination Theory, and The Count of Tuscany to remove these parts since I mostly listen in my car. I'd rather them take those 5 minutes and write another stand-alone song.
I tend to edit a lot of the long songs as well. I shortened the sfx / string part in IT by half or so, and I feel it fits much better. However I enjoy the Octavarium intro...maybe it's all about placement because the IT string section is nice, it's just too long in the context of the song IMO.
What's with all this editing songs? That never would have occurred to me. I don't skip boring chapters in books or fast forward through interesting parts of movies.
Same here. I listen to the entire song. As it would be if they play it live. Unless your Fates Warning and don't play the ending of Still Remains.
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I edit tracks like Octavarium, Illumination Theory, and The Count of Tuscany to remove these parts since I mostly listen in my car. I'd rather them take those 5 minutes and write another stand-alone song.
I tend to edit a lot of the long songs as well. I shortened the sfx / string part in IT by half or so, and I feel it fits much better. However I enjoy the Octavarium intro...maybe it's all about placement because the IT string section is nice, it's just too long in the context of the song IMO.
What's with all this editing songs? That never would have occurred to me. I don't skip boring chapters in books or fast forward through interesting parts of movies.
Because there's actually a bit of creative fun in doing your own edits. I don't do it only for practical purpouses, such has having a shorter and more concise song to listen to, I actually enjoy for my own compilations to create edit songs, rearrange them as a setlist and therefore mixing a proper intro at the beginning of the first song, creating medleys.... it's all harmless fun.
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All I know is that I can't wait for this album. I've been a fan since about 1992, and have seen DT live 4 times so far. If they come to Maine, it will be 5 times. They're my favorite band !
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All I know is that I can't wait for this album. I've been a fan since about 1992, and have seen DT live 4 times so far. If they come to Maine, it will be 5 times. They're my favorite band !
I am extremely excited too! And welcome to the board!
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I am extremely excited too! And welcome to the board!
Thanks !
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All I know is that I can't wait for this album. I've been a fan since about 1992, and have seen DT live 4 times so far. If they come to Maine, it will be 5 times. They're my favorite band !
Welcome!
Feel free to visit the General Music forum as well. Lots of good chatter there. :coolio
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All I know is that I can't wait for this album. I've been a fan since about 1992, and have seen DT live 4 times so far. If they come to Maine, it will be 5 times. They're my favorite band !
Welcome Bro.
Through my connections I just saw a peak of the upcoming East Coast Canadian tour.
Montreal
Toronto
Bangor
Ottowa
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All I know is that I can't wait for this album. I've been a fan since about 1992, and have seen DT live 4 times so far. If they come to Maine, it will be 5 times. They're my favorite band !
Welcome Bro.
Through my connections I just saw a peak of the upcoming East Coast Canadian tour.
Montreal
Toronto
Bangor
Ottowa
If they actually come to Ottawa, that would be much more awesome than having to travel to Toronto or Montreal like usual.
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Are they coming to Nashville before May? Or Denver before August? I want to see them agai. I go to school in Nashville but hometown is denver
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Agreed. If one doesn't like the string section of IT, that is one thing, but when someone says it doesn't fit into the song or feels out of place, it makes me wonder if they have really "listened" to the song.
This.. Also, never understood the "hate" or dislike of 8V's intro.. For me is one of the best parts of the song and without any doubt one of Jordan's best solos..
Anyways, besides the fact that none of the three sections (8V, TCoT and IT) really reach the 5 minutes, they're all very different one from another so I'd like to think that if they ever do that again it won't be anything like they've already done..
AFAIC, do an "ambient" section and another stand-alone song too!.. There's plenty of room for both in a regular DT album length as this one seems to be..
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... I mostly listen in my car.
If I ever get a chance to just sit there and listen intently then, yes, I will listen to the entire song but due to my life responsibilities and living in a townhouse it's been 6 years since I've been able to do that.
I'm not a moron, I know they are intended parts of the song, but rather than never listen to a 20-minute song I'll edit the ambient parts out instead of having them put me to sleep behind the wheel and then I can at least enjoy the meat of it.
I've never said any of these ambient parts don't fit or feels out of place, they absolutely fit, and I have really "listened" to the songs but I'm making choices based on my circumstances so I can at least enjoy most of the song and there's nothing wrong with that.
Some of you are acting like I, and others, should be lynched for making our own edits for ourselves. Come on.
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Some of you are acting like I, and others, should be lynched for making our own edits for ourselves. Come on.
There's one editing songs! Get him up against the Wall!!!
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All I know is that I can't wait for this album. I've been a fan since about 1992, and have seen DT live 4 times so far. If they come to Maine, it will be 5 times. They're my favorite band !
Welcome Bro.
Through my connections I just saw a peak of the upcoming East Coast Canadian tour.
Montreal
Toronto
Bangor
Ottowa
Any word of Vancouver on there?
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I never edit stuff out of songs, but I sometimes connect tracks that are usually supposed to be one long song into one.
Examples:
Transatlantic - The Whirlwind
Neal Morse - ?
DT - Six Degrees
Spock's Beard - The Healing Colors Of Sound, As Far As The Mind Can See
David Bowie - Sweet Thing
Chicago - all the long suites on their second album
Talk Talk - Rainbow/Eden/Desire
Genesis - The Story Of Albert/Duke Suite (however you wanna call it)
Because I wouldn't want to listen to the parts on their own anyway! I never got why bands would release songs in fragments. Well, I get it with something like The Whirlwind, since it's just the whole album. But I have never ever played Talk Talk's Rainbow, Eden or Desire on their own.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "release songs in fragments." The Whirlwind and Six Degrees, for example, are presented as whole songs on their albums. If you are referring to the track breaks, Portnoy explained with Six Degrees that they did that as a courtesy for fans who wanted to be able to go right to a particular part, since the song is such a long piece. But it isn't "fragmented"--the movements of the songs are in order and transition right into one another as they are supposed to.
And I'm not sure ? is a "song." I don't know if Neal has ever commented on that, so I can't say for sure, but it has always played to me as a concept album rather than a song. But, again, I don't know his intent, so I can't say for sure.
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I think a better example is In The Presence of Enemies. It's one long song (25 min), but they decided to split it in two separate parts.
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I think a better example is In The Presence of Enemies. It's one long song (25 min), but they decided to split it in two separate parts.
But they split it because MP thought the beginning would make a great opener and the ending would make a great closer. He didn't want to start the album off with a 25 minute song. The song seemed to have a natural break, so they split it.
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You guys are both right. It IS a better example of truly "fragmenting" a song. But it was indeed done for a legitimate creative reason. In hindsight, I wish they would have left it together. But I still absolutely respect the creative decision and the reasoning behind it. As an aside, I think another factor in addition to it being a good opener and a good closer, I also think they just felt like having a 20+ minute epic to close out an album right after doing that with Octavarium would have been too formulaic. Splitting the song solved that problem as well. So many years after the fact, if they closed the album with it, it would probably just be a little footnote by now. But at the time, I can see how it might have been a sticking point and made them want to rearrange the album. And they would have had the same issue when they got to BCSL. Not having the giant epic close the album solves that.
Of course, they could have gotten around it simply by having another song be the closer. In my alternate track listing for that album (the only time I have rearranged a DT album), I have the entire epic start the album, and I close it with TMOLS (I don't like the song, but it seems to work better as a closer). I really like the flow of the album that way. To a new fan, especially one who might not be a prog fan, asking them to sit through a 25+ minute piece of music to start off the album is a big ask though, so I get why they might not have chosen to go that route as well. But it certainly does flow well.
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I do the opposite with In the Presence of Enemies and edit them into one single track. :lol
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I definitely get the reasoning behind it: great opener and great closer as well, so I bet it was a big "why don't we have both?" moment. The thing is, the song suffers from it, in my opinion. You'll almost never see ITPOE listed as one of DT's big epics, not because it isn't, but because people don't usually consider it one big song (same thing happens with SDOIT), and, sadly, it's a wonderful song that often gets overlooked.
I always try to remember both parts are just a big, long song, so I made a playlist with both to listen to it in it's full form, just like it was played during the CIM tour.
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I never edit stuff out of songs, but I sometimes connect tracks that are usually supposed to be one long song into one.
Examples:
Transatlantic - The Whirlwind
Neal Morse - ?
DT - Six Degrees
Spock's Beard - The Healing Colors Of Sound, As Far As The Mind Can See
David Bowie - Sweet Thing
Chicago - all the long suites on their second album
Talk Talk - Rainbow/Eden/Desire
Genesis - The Story Of Albert/Duke Suite (however you wanna call it)
Because I wouldn't want to listen to the parts on their own anyway! I never got why bands would release songs in fragments. Well, I get it with something like The Whirlwind, since it's just the whole album. But I have never ever played Talk Talk's Rainbow, Eden or Desire on their own.
I do the same...I split up The Whirlwind into 3 segments. Same with Beyond The Bridge - The Old Man And The Spirit. I also add the interludes if the song segues into them and vice versa.
Sometimes I want to join some tracks together as one, but they end up long and I will want to hear that certain song on its own. So I just leave those as is.
Ayreon - The Theory of Everything, I had to join the tracks into its 4 phases of 20 min each. No way was I gonna leave those 1-2 tracks alone.
I also joined some tracks on The Astonishing.
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Some of you are acting like I, and others, should be lynched for making our own edits for ourselves. Come on.
PetFish, and others, I never called you a moron or had any intention of calling you out as doing anything lynch-worthy. I just found it strange that people edit tracks for their own personal purposes. It never occurred to me to do that, but of course that doesn't mean no one else would.
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How long will the longest track last?
Definitely longer than 5:00
How many instrumental tracks?
≥ 0
How many ''classic'' DT tracks, around 10 mins?
Are you talking about songs that are both "classic" and longer than 10:00? Or are you defining "classic" to mean "around 10 mins"? In any event, I'll say at least one.
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If they do any long songs I really don't want 5 minutes of ambient sounds with nothing or very little going on.
I edit tracks like Octavarium, Illumination Theory, and The Count of Tuscany to remove these parts since I mostly listen in my car. I'd rather them take those 5 minutes and write another stand-alone song.
None of those songs have anything like what you describe, unless you count the silence at the end of Illumination Theory before the ending credits coda at the very end.
I like the middle section of IT, but the intro to 8VA is boring AF (especially the extended live version), and I always skip through it. Same with the middle section of TCoT.
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I love pretty much every minute of 8VM, even though I realized I ranked it below PA and TRoaE in that thread. That intro is great and even the extended live intro is awesome. The middle part of TCoT is cool though I rarely listen to that song (or album for that matter). The middle part of IT is kinda lame, but then that song isn't that great to begin with, outside of a few isolated sections.
Maybe what I am saying is that I see those sections are an integral part of how I feel about the song as a whole.
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I think the extended intro for Octavarium is fantastic. I listen to the live version pretty much exclusively, which is pretty rare for me as I tend to be a studio only sort of listener.
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OK - how do you guys edit songs? What program do you use? Could something like Garageband work for that?
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OK - how do you guys edit songs? What program do you use? Could something like Garageband work for that?
Yeah. Something like that. Or Reaper, ProTools, etc.
For DT, I'm not much into this kind of editing. But I made an extended outro for Pantera's Floods and PoS' On A Tuesday with the original Ragnar's song I Lost The Way extending the middle section.
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I think the only editing on a DT song(s) I did was combining the 12S suite into one long track, and also editing out certain parts, like trimming down parts of the Glass Prison instrumental part that felt repetitive, cutting out the ending of Dying Soul and the intro to ROAE to help the transition, etc. Also some cross fades to make it more smooth.
I liked it, but then I never really wanted to listen to the whole damn thing at once.
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Come to think of it, I combined the songs in the 12SS in to one file once. But it was more an exercise of just getting Audacity and thinking it was cool to be able to do stuff like that than, like you said, ever wanting to listen to "the whole damn thing at once."
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Maybe what I am saying is that I see those sections are an integral part of how I feel about the song as a whole.
That might probably be because those sections are actually parts of the songs?.. :lol
OK - how do you guys edit songs? What program do you use? Could something like Garageband work for that?
I use Cubase.. Not for DT though, but only to cut out the growling sections of BTBAM.. I've already edited a good amount of their catalogue..
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You guys are both right. It IS a better example of truly "fragmenting" a song. But it was indeed done for a legitimate creative reason. In hindsight, I wish they would have left it together. But I still absolutely respect the creative decision and the reasoning behind it. As an aside, I think another factor in addition to it being a good opener and a good closer, I also think they just felt like having a 20+ minute epic to close out an album right after doing that with Octavarium would have been too formulaic. Splitting the song solved that problem as well. So many years after the fact, if they closed the album with it, it would probably just be a little footnote by now. But at the time, I can see how it might have been a sticking point and made them want to rearrange the album. And they would have had the same issue when they got to BCSL. Not having the giant epic close the album solves that.
Of course, they could have gotten around it simply by having another song be the closer. In my alternate track listing for that album (the only time I have rearranged a DT album), I have the entire epic start the album, and I close it with TMOLS (I don't like the song, but it seems to work better as a closer). I really like the flow of the album that way. To a new fan, especially one who might not be a prog fan, asking them to sit through a 25+ minute piece of music to start off the album is a big ask though, so I get why they might not have chosen to go that route as well. But it certainly does flow well.
I think Mike actually said that they didn’t want to do another big epic to end the album for the reasons you said in terms of repeating the previous album. He also said to put the whole thing as an opener would be too big of a hump to get over at the start of an album which makes sense. I think he also mentioned that it would be strange and anticlimactic to have this huge epic ending and then carry on the album afterwards so it made sense for it to close the album.
Like others have said, when I put the album on my iPod, I change the running order so that they play consecutively at the beginning and MOLS ends the album.
Not a popular opinion probably but I actually much prefer ITPOE to SDOIT or 8V as an epic. If you took out the short “DARK MASTER” section, it may be in my top tier of DT songs.
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Not a popular opinion probably but I actually much prefer ITPOE to SDOIT or 8V as an epic.
Hey, that's totally cool. I can respe--
If you took out the short “DARK MASTER” section...
I WILL FIGHT YOU RIGHT NOW!
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I think breaking up ItPoE was a bold choice and one I wholeheartedly support. I also think it is a stellar song (minus maybe a couple minutes of instrumental toward the end). And I like the Dark Master section. It could have fallen flat, if not for the brilliance of James.
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OK - how do you guys edit songs? What program do you use? Could something like Garageband work for that?
Audacity works well for me.
I used to use it to break really long songs into shorter pieces for the purposes of making CDs for the car, for occasions where I wanted to hear a part of a song on a short drive for example, but now that I usually listen to music from my phone in the car, I don't do that anymore.
I will still use it on occasion to edit something if track indexing seems off or something.
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I have no problem with them splitting ITPOE. I know they mentioned not wanting 2 albums with epic ending but it was also a tribute to Pink Floyd “Wish you were here” and it’s album structure.
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Back to topic now: Jordan and Petruccinator being funny: https://www.instagram.com/p/BnVDhqfnY15/?taken-by=jcrudess (cool keyboard lines too IMHO)
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Back to topic now: Jordan and Petruccinator being funny: https://www.instagram.com/p/BnVDhqfnY15/?taken-by=jcrudess (cool keyboard lines too IMHO)
Btw, that’s the same keyboard model that Diego Tejeida used to record a lot of Haken’s upcoming album Vector :metal
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I've made so many edits that I think I'm officially an Audacity expert now :biggrin:
(yeah, i have a bit of an obsession :\)
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ItPoE is my favourite song ever (along with The Cinema Show by Genesis)
Dark Master section is great, one of the best performances by JLB (and the best one since ACoS)
I don't usually have the practice to listen to DT by albums, I only listen to particular songs, so I have always listened to ItPoE as one track. But when I'm listening to the whole album sometimes, I listen it in the way it was written. Part I ends with many questions left unresolved, but that doesn't mean I cannot wait and listen to the rest of the album before listening to part II, resolving all the questions.
It reminds me in a way to Beethoven's Op. 110 sonata, where development section of the 1st mvt is very scarce and you have to wait until the fugues in the 3rd mvt to actually develop the 1st's themes.
So yeah, splitting ItPoE is one of the ingenious things DT has done
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When I say the DARK MASTER section, I should say that I don't mean all of the Heretic section, I love most of that, the Angels Fall, All For You Heretic stuff is great. I just mean the actual repeated chorus of "DARK MASTER within, I will fight for you etc." just always sounds really hokey to me, the lyrics, the riff, the way JLB sings it. Just my opinion though, cool if other people love it.
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When I say the DARK MASTER section, I should say that I don't mean all of the Heretic section, I love most of that, the Angels Fall, All For You Heretic stuff is great. I just mean the actual repeated chorus of "DARK MASTER within, I will fight for you etc." just always sounds really hokey to me, the lyrics, the riff, the way JLB sings it. Just my opinion though, cool if other people love it.
This is the sole reason I find ITPOE to be DTs weakest epic.
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Yeah, the dark master thing is kind of grating to me, everything else about the song is brilliant though. I think maybe it's sung in too low of a vocal register. If I imagine 90's era Labrie singing it an octave higher with a ton of nice resonance, it sounds amazing :laugh:
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You people are doing life/music wrong.
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When I say the DARK MASTER section, I should say that I don't mean all of the Heretic section, I love most of that, the Angels Fall, All For You Heretic stuff is great. I just mean the actual repeated chorus of "DARK MASTER within, I will fight for you etc." just always sounds really hokey to me, the lyrics, the riff, the way JLB sings it. Just my opinion though, cool if other people love it.
What would have worked better than Dark Master? Lord Satan? Haha...Shadow Lord would've worked just a smidge better.
Dark Master makes it more vauge and open. The same with Music Player in Act of Faythe.
Man we need more updates...soon.
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Lyrics for ITPOE are so cheesy and yet so awesome! :biggrin:
Really love that song, part 1 and 2..
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Maybe the big chorus of "Dark master" is too much in your face, but the slow part at the beginning of the second part, with James softly singing "Angels fall... all for you... heretic" and then the piano gently playing the Dark Master vocal melody, that's quite brilliant.
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All I know is that I can't wait for this album. I've been a fan since about 1992, and have seen DT live 4 times so far. If they come to Maine, it will be 5 times. They're my favorite band !
Welcome Bro.
Through my connections I just saw a peak of the upcoming East Coast Canadian tour.
Montreal
Toronto
Bangor
Ottowa
I always make the mistake of getting my hopes up when I hear about a band I like touring on Canada's east coast. You'd think I'd have learned by now that most bands use "east coast" to describe a part of the country that's over 500 km west of the actual east coast provinces. :P I'm starting to suspect that the rest of the country uses a different map that ends at the St Lawrence.
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the snippet sounds like ADTOE mixed with Haken
I find it interesting that DT is now being influenced by a band that they had the most influence on. "Sounds like Haken." I've seen this quite a bit. Nope it sounds like Dream Theater :lol
Not a knock on your post in particular, just a thing I've thought about recently with DT. I really love Haken, too. In fact I think I'll go jam some "1985" right now ;D
As for the snips I've heard so far, I'm definitely excited. I agree with those that are getting an ADTOE vibe, sounds like classic DT. That first one had a bit of an LTE vibe. Who knows though? The snips are short, but things are sounding great. Was kind of hoping for ToT 2 heaviness wise, but from the snips it's not feeling like that so far. Wouldn't be surprised if a couple of tracks are super heavy though, like how Awake had great variety.
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Whatever the end result will be, I'm sure it will just work.
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Whatever the end result will be, I'm sure it will just work.
Completely agree :metal
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Whatever the end result will be, I'm sure it will just work.
Completely agree :metal
*2
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Apparently, Jordan is done tracking keyboards.
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Apparently, Jordan is done tracking keyboards.
Awesome news!
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Awesome! So we only have James left (who already started) and it's on to mixing I suppose.
Also, I wonder if this here is part of the new album... If it is, I hear some mad riffing on the background.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnVDhqfnY15/?taken-by=jcrudess (https://www.instagram.com/p/BnVDhqfnY15/?taken-by=jcrudess)
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I’m actually really looking forward to this album. I’ve been a bit burned out on DT the last few years, and my initial thrill over TA has diminished significantly.
But I’ve really been hooked on DT12, ADTOE, and the live releases, and it’s got me pretty pumped. Mostly, I’m dying of curiosity as to what the live set will contain. Last tour was pretty much just TA, and the tour before didn’t spread the setlist around very much (nearly all the songs centered on just 4 albums), so it would seem like this tour would be a great opportunity to dust off all kinds of gems. I feel like they might be ready to take a break from doing large portions of albums as anniversary tributes, but I’d be shocked if they didn’t at least acknowledge WDADUs 30th. (Maybe a good time to pull out The Killng Hand?) and you can’t just ignore SFAMs 20th, but doing the medley from 5yrs ago might seem like retreading.
IDK, I just suddenly found myself excited for what the new tour might bring this time around and I wanted to express that.
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I’m actually really looking forward to this album. I’ve been a bit burned out on DT the last few years, and my initial thrill over TA has diminished significantly.
But I’ve really been hooked on DT12, ADTOE, and the live releases, and it’s got me pretty pumped. Mostly, I’m dying of curiosity as to what the live set will contain. Last tour was pretty much just TA, and the tour before didn’t spread the setlist around very much (nearly all the songs centered on just 4 albums), so it would seem like this tour would be a great opportunity to dust off all kinds of gems. I feel like they might be ready to take a break from doing large portions of albums as anniversary tributes, but I’d be shocked if they didn’t at least acknowledge WDADUs 30th. (Maybe a good time to pull out The Killng Hand?) and you can’t just ignore SFAMs 20th, but doing the medley from 5yrs ago might seem like retreading.
IDK, I just suddenly found myself excited for what the new tour might bring this time around and I wanted to express that.
For the love of god, play something from SDOIT (preferably TGP) and 8vm!!! Both albums have been completely ignored since the ADTOE tour.
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For the love of god, play something from SDOIT (preferably TGP) and 8vm!!! Both albums have been completely ignored since the ADTOE tour.
I approve of this, especially because 6DOIT is my favorite DT album :)
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Awesome! So we only have James left (who already started) and it's on to mixing I suppose.
Also, I wonder if this here is part of the new album... If it is, I hear some mad riffing on the background.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnVDhqfnY15/?taken-by=jcrudess (https://www.instagram.com/p/BnVDhqfnY15/?taken-by=jcrudess)
At first, I thought it was just some random JR noodling on the keys, but you mentioned the riffing on the background, so I just checked it again, and... mindblown! It could be something that would sound much better in the context of a song... or just another clue for the treasure hunt (paranoid much?) :biggrin:
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For the love of god, play something from SDOIT (preferably TGP) and 8vm!!! Both albums have been completely ignored since the ADTOE tour.
Well, they have played Panic Attack and About to Crash in the 30th anniversary tour in 2015, but yeah, I think it's already time for either TGP or 8V (the song)... but it be great if they at least play a song they haven't played yet with MM from any of those albums, and/or from ToT too..
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Back to topic (again): Jordan just recently finished his keyboard parts. https://www.instagram.com/p/BnXFTRGHgWE/?taken-by=jcrudess
Only James left now and then it's on to mixing and mastering. Speaking of Jordan, this interview was posted fairly recently (although it must have been conducted before they went in the studio IMHO). He talks about DT14 as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtkG8oGmEpo
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BnZHNXlnzp1/?taken-by=dtimages
New post with a lot of snippets.
:metal
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BnZHNXlnzp1/?taken-by=dtimages
New post with a lot of snippets.
:metal
:metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
Seriously loving everything they've posted so far.
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Sounds inspired. Digging it.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BnZHNXlnzp1/?taken-by=dtimages
New post with a lot of snippets.
:metal
and here is a longer version for all of us: https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/2180716415334005/
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Wow that sounds pretty badass :metal
Still not sure if I like the snare sound, but I don't want to judge by these short snippets in iPhone-camera-and-then-uploaded-to-Facebook quality.
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It will be alright I'm sure.
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Wow that sounds pretty badass :metal
Still not sure if I like the snare sound, but I don't want to judge by these short snippets in iPhone-camera-and-then-uploaded-to-Facebook quality.
It's just a rough "mix" for Jordan to record his parts, the real mixing hasn't started yet, so I wouldn't worry about it. If they release a single or a few snippets after the album is done and it sounds bad, that's different.
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Cool sounding clips, that first one sounded especially heavy :metal
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BnZHNXlnzp1/?taken-by=dtimages
New post with a lot of snippets.
:metal
and here is a longer version for all of us: https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/2180716415334005/
Isn't it exactly the same?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BnZHNXlnzp1/?taken-by=dtimages
New post with a lot of snippets.
:metal
and here is a longer version for all of us: https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/2180716415334005/
Isn't it exactly the same?
as far as I know, Instagram has a limit as to how long video posts can be (we've seen the differences in the studio tour clip), so that was my assumption and I put it here as a fact. My mistake. It could be the same.
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The clip after he says “all you can do is smile”, I like that......A LOT!!
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Looking forward to hearing the complete thing. They sound pretty enthused as a band, and I expect a pretty up-tempo record.
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They're going into the studio in 2 weeks already? Nice!! Can't wait :neverusethis:
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Good one. Yeah I know the thread title should be changed. (I don't know how to do that though)
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Either by turning yourself into a moderator, or by being the creator of the thread. So I think it is beyond your powers :sad:
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Interesting clips! the first one was too short, but the other one are cool! the middle one is very Dramatic Turn sounding, the final one has a nice upbeat groove!
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I can definitely change it.
What’s a good title?
“Dream Theater finished recording album?”
“Dream Theater’s Baconinity”
“Light Fuse and Record Away”
“Dream Theater finishes smoking barbecue”
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I say go with Finishes Smoking Barbecue. Really freak people out at thinking that we have been discussing about DT smoking barbecue for 38 pages.
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I can definitely change it.
What’s a good title?
SOON
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I can definitely change it.
What’s a good title?
SOON
I like this one...
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Teasing from the studio and beyond
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SOON
"Soon, oh soon the light
Pass within and soothe the endless night"
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OMG these snippets are amazing :metal
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I can definitely change it.
What’s a good title?
“Dream Theater finished recording album?”
“Dream Theater’s Baconinity”
“Light Fuse and Record Away”
“Dream Theater finishes smoking barbecue”
Official Waiting Thread for DT14!
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Please, use the barbecue thing. This is the best thread name in the history of threads
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A Change of Seasonings
I vote for this.
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Dresm? :lol
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BnZHNXlnzp1/?taken-by=dtimages
New post with a lot of snippets.
:metal
Gold, pure gold......
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Dresm? :lol
Otherwise, awesome title :D
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Is this band any good? I don't know them
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Is this band any good? I don't know them
Not quite as good as Dresm Thester, but okay.
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:lol
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Are people really judging the snare sound already?.. :facepalm:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnZHNXlnzp1/?taken-by=dtimages
New post with a lot of snippets.
:metal
Awesome, that sounds amazing.. Can't wait for a snippet with vocals!..
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Are people really judging the snare sound already?.. :facepalm:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnZHNXlnzp1/?taken-by=dtimages
New post with a lot of snippets.
:metal
Awesome, that sounds amazing.. Can't wait for a snippet with vocals!..
I can't wait for the bonus burger in the special edition!
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Are people really judging the snare sound already?.. :facepalm:
:facepalm:
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Dresm Theater is my favorite band.
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Are people really judging the snare sound already?.. :facepalm:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnZHNXlnzp1/?taken-by=dtimages
New post with a lot of snippets.
:metal
Awesome, that sounds amazing.. Can't wait for a snippet with vocals!..
I can't wait for the bonus burger in the special edition!
:lol Special edition also comes with a cook book
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Are people really judging the snare sound already?.. :facepalm:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnZHNXlnzp1/?taken-by=dtimages
New post with a lot of snippets.
:metal
Awesome, that sounds amazing.. Can't wait for a snippet with vocals!..
I can't wait for the bonus burger in the special edition!
:lol Special edition also comes with a cook book
But only in the version that requires you also to buy the vinyl....
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Are people really judging the snare sound already?.. :facepalm:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnZHNXlnzp1/?taken-by=dtimages
New post with a lot of snippets.
:metal
Awesome, that sounds amazing.. Can't wait for a snippet with vocals!..
I can't wait for the bonus burger in the special edition!
:lol Special edition also comes with a cook book
But only in the version that requires you also to buy the vinyl....
...cooker
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Please, use the barbecue thing. This is the best thread name in the history of threads
Indeed!
The album could be called "Medium Rare" , but I'm hoping it's well done. The recording that is..
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(https://i.imgur.com/Wwk9LH9.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/Wwk9LH9.jpg)
:rollin
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Small mammals.
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:lol :clap:
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(https://i.imgur.com/Wwk9LH9.jpg)
Images & Herbs
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Images & Herbs
I'd rather have sausages and herbs.
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Images & Herbs
I'd rather have sausages and herbs.
Maybe they'll serve beer with that in The Bigger Pitcher.. 🍺
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James on Twitter: "Vocals are sounding killer on the new album. Can’t wait for everyone to hear this one. Have a great one."
Not much of an update, but cool nonetheless :)
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The snippets on the Jordan clip sound fantastic. Very excited. And James raving about the vox too. Woo!
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Images & Herbs
I'd rather have sausages and herbs.
Maybe they'll serve beer with that in The Bigger Pitcher.. 🍺
:rollin
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James on Twitter: "Vocals are sounding killer on the new album. Can’t wait for everyone to hear this one. Have a great one."
Not much of an update, but cool nonetheless :)
Hmm...It's seeming more likely that JLB did cancel his PPUSA for studio time...
But, we'll see if it was worth it once the album or first single comes out.
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James on Twitter: "Vocals are sounding killer on the new album. Can’t wait for everyone to hear this one. Have a great one."
Not much of an update, but cool nonetheless :)
Hmm...It's seeming more likely that JLB did cancel his PPUSA for studio time...
But, we'll see if it was worth it once the album or first single comes out.
Was thinking the same thing. DT takes precedence over solo stuff though so if it means we get DT even a week earlier, I'm happy
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(https://i.imgur.com/Wwk9LH9.jpg)
Black Pepper & Salted Meats
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(https://i.imgur.com/Wwk9LH9.jpg)
Cooktavarium
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A Steak.
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Learning to grill
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Take The Thyme
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Behind the Veal
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In The Presence Of Entrecôtes
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Forsausages
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Misundercooked
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This Frying Soul
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Take The Thyme
Only a Matter of Thyme
Peruvian Fries
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Light Grill and Get Away
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Raw Dog
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A Fortune in Fries
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Profits of Boar (A book about taking your BBQ obsession into the marketplace)
Fridges in the Sky (About proper food storage on commercial airlines...surprisingly John Myung and Mike Mangini are very passionate about this topic)
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Ramenskill
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I love how this has turned into a meme thread until we get more info xD
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Heaven's Stove
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Heaven's Stove
...in Hell's Kitchen.
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The Ones Who Help to Get the Buns
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The Chianti of Tuscany
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Lifting Shadows Off Ice Cream
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Take Away My Plate
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Never Enough (Pizza).
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I Wok Beside You
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I Wok Beside You
OMG... good one!
How about....
"Burning My Sole"
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The grilling hand
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An Entrée to Remember
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Through My Curds
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Cream Of Consciousness
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Finally Brie
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Waiter
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Forsteaken.
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A Rite Of Sausage
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Liftings Steaks off a Grill
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This thread! :rollin :rollin :rollin
Finally Brie
The original title was going to be Finally LaFree.
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Only A Matter Of Thyme.
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Raise the Knife
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Only A Matter Of Thyme.
Take The Thyme
Only a Matter of Thyme
Peruvian Fries
That's the problem with these rapid threads, it's easy to miss stuff.
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The Great Filet.
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Raise the Knife
:lol :lol :lol
Metropolis - Part 1: The Miracle Whip and the Eater
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About to Fish
Losing pies
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Metropolis Part II: Scones from a Minimart
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Just Let Me Eat!!
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Please, DT, release something fast so we can stop this! :lol
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Trail of Burps
Burping into Infinity
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Just Let Me Eat!!
:lol
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Just to get this thread back on topic. :rollin
I was listening to Into The Great Divide this morning, and if Mike Mangini could just match his brilliance in this album, I would be very satisfied.
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This thread really flew of the rails during the last couple of days! :lol They really need to post a new update.
The Rootbeer Of All Evil, couldn't help it. ;D
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Cream of Couscousness
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Tray of Beers
Endless Bag of Rice
The Shattered Pork Ribs
...
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This is silly, I came here for updates not made up names!
Oh by the way Breaking all Eggs
:)
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In the name of Cod
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Live at Luna Pork ;D
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Jaws in Motion
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The Silent Ham
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Hell's Chicken
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167 Degrees Of Inner Chicken Pulling
Alternatively:
Pull My Chicken
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A Fortune in Pies
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A Fortune in Pies
Or, for a particularly concise one: Pie
Jaws in Motion
Ah yes, my favourite Steven Spielberg musical.
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Quarterpounded
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Just to get this thread back on topic. :rollin
I was listening to Into The Great Divide this morning, and if Mike Mangini could just match his brilliance in this album, I would be very satisfied.
If he was given the same liberty on the new DT, might very well be the case.
B.Lee
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Just to get this thread back on topic. :rollin
I was listening to Into The Great Divide this morning, and if Mike Mangini could just match his brilliance in this album, I would be very satisfied.
If he was given the same liberty on the new DT, might very well be the case.
B.Lee
I think it will be even better, considering he got to write a lot of stuff for this album :metal
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Just to get this thread back on topic. :rollin
I was listening to Into The Great Divide this morning, and if Mike Mangini could just match his brilliance in this album, I would be very satisfied.
If he was given the same liberty on the new DT, might very well be the case.
B.Lee
I think it will be even better, considering he got to write a lot of stuff for this album :metal
this. And thank you for going back on topic.
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Well, you can't really get too upset at people for going off topic when the original poster went and changed to thread title to something that is so completely unrelated to the actual topic that it is all but impossible to figure out from reading it what the actual topic is even supposed to be.
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Very true.
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We are on topic.
We are "starving" for updates.
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We are on topic.
We are "starving" for updates.
We're just so eager to sink our teeth into DT14 we can't help it.
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I can't wait to digest the album when it's released.
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We are on topic.
We are "starving" for updates.
We're just so eager to sink our teeth into DT14 we can't help it.
I'm very excited for this release. I discovered them in February 2016 so this will be their first release since I discovered them. This thread is helping whet my appetite for it.
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Cream of Couscousness
Hey, that's a good one.
Where have I heard that before?
Oh I know...here!
Cream Of Consciousness
;D
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We are on topic.
We are "starving" for updates.
We're just so eager to sink our teeth into DT14 we can't help it.
I'm very excited for this release. I discovered them in February 2016 so this will be their first release since I discovered them. This thread is helping whet my appetite for it.
I am with you!! Discovered in Jan 2016!! Each day more hungry.....
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Cream of Couscousness
Hey, that's a good one.
Where have I heard that before?
Oh I know...here!
Cream Of Consciousness
;D
I know I read all of them and somehow missed yours but mine wins cuz I changed the last word also.
;D
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Nice to see lots of people in their first "new album cycle"... I remember when I discovered DT in the end of 2007, a few months after SC's release and discovered they would be touring in São Paulo later the next year. Too bad I couldn't see them as I had not the legal age to enter the show (16, I was 13/14 at the time hahaha). Gladly I got not only to see the BCSL cycle with all the hype we know so well, but got to see them for the first time in 2010. First and last with MP. Regardless of the final product DT delivers, the hype cycle will always be the same :metal
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Nice to see lots of people in their first "new album cycle"... I remember when I discovered DT in the end of 2007, a few months after SC's release and discovered they would be touring in São Paulo later the next year. Too bad I couldn't see them as I had not the legal age to enter the show (16, I was 13/14 at the time hahaha). Gladly I got not only to see the BCSL cycle with all the hype we know so well, but got to see them for the first time in 2010. First and last with MP. Regardless of the final product DT delivers, the hype cycle will always be the same :metal
That just made me realize, I've been listening to DT for nearly 10 years (come the new year). Black Clouds came out the year I got into them but I didn't really follow the release. It felt like ADTOE took forever to come out, but now Time Flies (tm) so fast in between album releases. I guess listening to more than one band helps with that. :lol
It seems like DT releases often coincide with Haken releases, within a margin of a 2-4 months. The only exceptions I can think of are Aquarius in 2010 and Restoration in 2014. This is very good for me because I get to eat, I mean cook, I mean digest these albums close together.
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Cream of Couscousness
Hey, that's a good one.
Where have I heard that before?
Oh I know...here!
Cream Of Consciousness
;D
I know I read all of them and somehow missed yours but mine wins cuz I changed the last word also.
;D
Hah...I didn't even notice that! :lol
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I discovered DT when the tour for Scenes just ended. I'm glad i had two of my top 5 DT albums ahead of me still. :-)
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Here's an update for you: https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/photos/a.133462500039104/2136043363114331/?type=3&theater
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Is JP wearing a bra?
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Love all the tits-comments below the picture :rollin
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JP seriously needs an image consultant. :lol
Dude, the hairline is gone. Cut that shit like the rest of us. :lol
And for goodness sakes, trim the damn beard.
p.s. don't squash me like a grape. Thanks.
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Love all the tits-comments below the picture :rollin
I can't see them. It's just a picture.
JP seriously needs an image consultant. :lol
I agree. He looks ridiculous.
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Huh, maybe I'm weird, but I don't mind his look at all.
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I don't care about his hair or his beard. Guys wear their hair the way they like, and if girls (or other guys) don't like it, too bad.
But standing that way definitely makes his barrel chest look like boobs, and that's unfortunate. We get it, dude, you're the bear. You could crush a normal guy in each hand while still somehow playing 32nd-note runs on the guitar. But there's a point where it just doesn't look right, and you've passed that point.
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All that aside, it's photo shoot time now apparently, and that's one of the final steps to be taken I'm sure. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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All that aside, it's photo shoot time now apparently, and that's one of the final steps to be taken I'm sure. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Probably not. On the recording front, James posted on Saturday Sept. 8 that vocals are still "going down" (check out the DT14 timeline thread). There may be more overdubs to do, and then the mixing process and then mastering. I don't think we have any info about where things stand with album artwork.
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I'm sure you're right.
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Huh, maybe I'm weird, but I don't mind his look at all.
I actually like the huge untrimmed beard style, but oh well.
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All,
I was making a joke. Just ribbing JP, just to kid around. Dude can look however he wants, of course. :)
I mean, I wish I could stretch my legs out and be 5'10" instead of 5'6", but that's a look I can't pull off. :lol
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Photo from Jordan's IG: "Photo shoot day!!"
(https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/e2e465ac8ccb28f7f371c0b6715a4c10/5C363B97/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/c135.0.810.810/s640x640/40621863_285695955594246_900976315341054512_n.jpg)
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For god sakes guys try and look more relaxed in these photos than you have managed to over the past 15 years. I feel we've gotten past the "We play metal, let's all look tough and serious" look, but their photos always look so uncomfortable, like they have no idea how to stand, what to do with their arms, etc... and it makes everyone look awkward. Except JM, who mastered the "I'm just gonna stand here with my poker face and let you take all the pictures you want" look around the time of Awake.
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For god sakes guys try and look more relaxed in these photos than you have managed to over the past 15 years. I feel we've gotten past the "We play metal, let's all look tough and serious" look, but their photos always look so uncomfortable, like they have no idea how to stand, what to do with their arms, etc... and it makes everyone look awkward. Except JM, who mastered the "I'm just gonna stand here with my poker face and let you take all the pictures you want" look around the time of Awake.
I know what you mean; Mike Portnoy is so uncomfortable about it, he hasn't been in any of the pictures since 2011! ;)
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For god sakes guys try and look more relaxed in these photos than you have managed to over the past 15 years. I feel we've gotten past the "We play metal, let's all look tough and serious" look, but their photos always look so uncomfortable, like they have no idea how to stand, what to do with their arms, etc... and it makes everyone look awkward. Except JM, who mastered the "I'm just gonna stand here with my poker face and let you take all the pictures you want" look around the time of Awake.
I know what you mean; Mike Portnoy is so uncomfortable about it, he hasn't been in any of the pictures since 2011! ;)
Good one. Keep it up. (seriously)
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Wtf happened with this thread.. It used to be fun and informative.. Now a single photo is uploaded and is just full with the same crappy, predictable and childish comments like you see on yt or fb... :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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YEAH! STOP HAVING FUN, PEOPLE!
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Ok, if you actually and fully read my comment you'll see I'm talking about the silly comments about JP, and not whatever else you're thinking..
Unless you did understand me, and think people are having "fun" by critizicing the look of one of the band members (a "joke" that's getting very old, btw).. In that case, maybe we need to learn the difference between laughing with someone and laughing at someone..
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I think his current look is among his worst and it only beats Emotrucci by a slim margin:
(https://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z5/gallardosegura/JohnPetrucci.jpg)(https://www.emil.absorbant.net/36-0025f.jpg)
I think JP looked his best during the ToT days with the short-ish spikey hair and the goatee that was kinda long in the beard:
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/cb/ce/89/cbce89002a955caaf01440333056185e--dream-theater-guitar-players.jpg)
My next best-look is the same but with longer hair:
(https://torturesquad.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/John-Petrucci-2.jpg)
But I think we can all agree his all-time worst look was:
(https://progressivemusicplanet.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/5-dreamtheater3rd.jpg)
He must have only had it like this for one day since it took me forever to even find this photo.
Finally, Bizzarro Petrucci, he just looks like he's had a bad day for the last 20 years:
(https://www.rockcellarmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/steve-lukather-rockcellartv--701x392.jpg)
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Geez! What happened to JP in that last pic?!? :rollin
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He was exposed to the rains down in africa.
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He was exposed to the rains down in africa.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
Just what I thougth..... that's not JP that's Steve Lukather
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So we heard guitar, keyboard and drum snippets. Wonder if we hear vocals too.
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My favorite JP look was definitely around the time Score was filmed..
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BnnbpdJBEmW/?taken-by=james_meslin a pic by Jimmy T.
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He was exposed to the rains down in africa.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
Just what I thougth..... that's not JP that's Steve Lukather
Frankly, you thought I was serious? I know it's Steve Lukather. And yes, the haircut is a consequence of being overexposed to the rains in Africa. :rollin
B.Lee
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Ok, if you actually and fully read my comment you'll see I'm talking about the silly comments about JP, and not whatever else you're thinking..
Unless you did understand me, and think people are having "fun" by critizicing the look of one of the band members (a "joke" that's getting very old, btw).. In that case, maybe we need to learn the difference between laughing with someone and laughing at someone..
I think you need to lighten up. When there's real info to talk about, obviously, we will.
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Ok, if you actually and fully read my comment you'll see I'm talking about the silly comments about JP, and not whatever else you're thinking..
Unless you did understand me, and think people are having "fun" by critizicing the look of one of the band members (a "joke" that's getting very old, btw).. In that case, maybe we need to learn the difference between laughing with someone and laughing at someone..
I think you need to lighten up. When there's real info to talk about, obviously, we will.
I don't need anyone telling me how I should "need" to be.. But don't worry, I'm cool.. This is just a forum after all (at least for me), I'm relatively not very active, and it only takes a very little portion of my time to read it and write on it.. I was just expressing an opinion, and not exactly against ppl randomly talking off-topic for the lack of info (which it was/is fun indeed), but exclusively reacting to some complaining -yet once again- about JP's look and even someone saying they stand awkwardly in the photos they make!..
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:corn
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:lol
Naah, hahaa.. Show's over, nothing to see here..
Let the JP-beard drama continue...
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Who is Steve Lukather? I thought that last picture was the Alien Conspiracy dude (and I honestly have no idea who this guy is or why he comes up when I Google Image search "Alien Conspiracy Dude.")
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/408/1*WD3_Gm4ruwII5br1yAzK9A.png)
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He was exposed to the rains down in africa.
Gold, Jerry,... GOLD!
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another one by Jimmy T https://www.instagram.com/p/BnqiibvhbP5/?taken-by=james_meslin
and Petruccinator: https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/photos/a.133462500039104/2138316766220324/?type=3&theater
recording ends guys
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another one by Jimmy T https://www.instagram.com/p/BnqiibvhbP5/?taken-by=james_meslin
and Petruccinator: https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/photos/a.133462500039104/2138316766220324/?type=3&theater
recording ends guys
In that case I don't really see how the album is planned for early 2019 release. I think they'll release it a bit earlier (or at least hope so).
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I don't know. I just found these by accident.
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another one by Jimmy T https://www.instagram.com/p/BnqiibvhbP5/?taken-by=james_meslin
and Petruccinator: https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/photos/a.133462500039104/2138316766220324/?type=3&theater
recording ends guys
In that case I don't really see how the album is planned for early 2019 release. I think they'll release it a bit earlier (or at least hope so).
Nah, early 2019 is about right.
If they just finished recording, they will probably spend the next month or so in mixing and mastering. That'll put them with a finished master around mid to late October. Typically promo cycle for an album starts a few months out, so they might do a single in November or December and then release the record in January or February.
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another one by Jimmy T https://www.instagram.com/p/BnqiibvhbP5/?taken-by=james_meslin
and Petruccinator: https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/photos/a.133462500039104/2138316766220324/?type=3&theater
recording ends guys
In that case I don't really see how the album is planned for early 2019 release. I think they'll release it a bit earlier (or at least hope so).
Nah, early 2019 is about right.
If they just finished recording, they will probably spend the next month or so in mixing and mastering. That'll put them with a finished master around mid to late October. Typically promo cycle for an album starts a few months out, so they might do a single in November or December and then release the record in January or February.
Yeah, that is about right.
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another one by Jimmy T https://www.instagram.com/p/BnqiibvhbP5/?taken-by=james_meslin
and Petruccinator: https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/photos/a.133462500039104/2138316766220324/?type=3&theater
recording ends guys
In that case I don't really see how the album is planned for early 2019 release. I think they'll release it a bit earlier (or at least hope so).
Nah, early 2019 is about right.
If they just finished recording, they will probably spend the next month or so in mixing and mastering. That'll put them with a finished master around mid to late October. Typically promo cycle for an album starts a few months out, so they might do a single in November or December and then release the record in January or February.
I see.. well, you got a point.
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Can't wait to hear the new album.
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Just realized this will be the longest gap between albums since WDADU-IAW.
If the release is in January.
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I would guess January or February. The earliest we could possibly expect based on where they are would be December, and even if things progressed really quickly to allow that, I doubt they would release just before Christmas.
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December is usually a slow month for music releases so bands and labels typically avoid December.
Late January, early February makes sense.
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So it’s safe to say we can expect the title/artwork/track listing/first single sometime in November?
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Just realized this will be the longest gap between albums since WDADU-IAW.
If the release is in January.
I didn't realize that either. Wow. They have really been at this pace of write/record/tour, repeat for that long now? Crazy.
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December is usually a slow month for music releases so bands and labels typically avoid December.
Late January, early February makes sense.
I've never understood that. It seems like releasing music in December would be perfect for holiday shopping. In the old days, half of my shopping was picking up albums for people, and a lot of the rest was making mix tapes. To this day, a section of my Christmas Wish List always includes CDs and concert DVDs.
Or don't people buy music for each other anymore?
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People just don't have the time, Orbert.
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December is usually a slow month for music releases so bands and labels typically avoid December.
Late January, early February makes sense.
I've never understood that. It seems like releasing music in December would be perfect for holiday shopping. In the old days, half of my shopping was picking up albums for people, and a lot of the rest was making mix tapes. To this day, a section of my Christmas Wish List always includes CDs and concert DVDs.
Or don't people buy music for each other anymore?
I totally agree with this, I never understood this trend of not wanting to release music in December either. Seems like it would be perfect.
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Just realized this will be the longest gap between albums since WDADU-IAW.
If the release is in January.
It's already been the longest gap between albums since WDaDU-I&W (the gap between Awake and FII was two years eleven months, but we got ACoS during that time, so I don't really count that).
Say what you want about DT, but they're prolific! TA was released in January 2016, so a January 2019 release for DT14 would be about three years. Other than the gap between WDaDU and I&W, the longest we've had to wait between albums was two years and four months between DT12 and TA (and we got two live video releases during that gap). It's rather amazing that, between October 1999 and June 2005 (five years and eight months), we got SFaM, SDoIT, ToT and 8VA. Talk about a Golden Era!
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People just don't have the time, Orbert.
They need to Take The Time.
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Yeah. Awake to FII was close. But they were touring on Awake, still doing the holiday and Fix for '96 shows, and released ACOS as well.
In this particular cycle, even though we may not have gotten any actual releases, we got lots in the way of opportunities to see the band live. As busy as they have been, it's hard to believe it will be 3 years since the last release.
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I guess we will finally know who’s going to mix the album very soon :metal
... unless they decide to keep that a secret :P
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I guess we will finally know who’s going to mix the album very soon :metal
... unless they decide to keep that a secret :P
That's what I was wondering myself. What if the bigger picture from the treasure hunt was to reveal someone as an outside producer, a guest...and not just the album title or something to that effect?
B.Lee
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I guess we will finally know who’s going to mix the album very soon :metal
... unless they decide to keep that a secret :P
That's what I was wondering myself. What if the bigger picture from the treasure hunt was to reveal someone as an outside producer, a guest...and not just the album title or something to that effect?
B.Lee
That would be really cool, even though I'm just expecting it to be the album title and/or the artwork.
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I think it's way too early to have artwork.
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I think it's way too early to have artwork.
Then, I only expect the treasure hunt to reveal the album title, and maybe the tracklist or some other info similar to that. Would love to be proven wrong on this, tho :laugh:
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I think it's way too early to have artwork.
Then, I only expect the treasure hunt to reveal the album title, and maybe the tracklist or some other info similar to that. Would love to be proven wrong on this, tho :laugh:
Or maybe they'll reveal the name of the band!
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I think it's way too early to have artwork.
Then, I only expect the treasure hunt to reveal the album title, and maybe the tracklist or some other info similar to that. Would love to be proven wrong on this, tho :laugh:
Or maybe they'll reveal the name of the band!
Dresm Thester!
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Yeah. Awake to FII was close. But they were touring on Awake, still doing the holiday and Fix for '96 shows, and released ACOS as well.
In this particular cycle, even though we may not have gotten any actual releases, we got lots in the way of opportunities to see the band live. As busy as they have been, it's hard to believe it will be 3 years since the last release.
Things were also very different back in the mid-90s since the internet (as we now know it) was barely in its infancy.
The thing of it is that, for most bands, three years between albums would be really quick. Comparing DT to Rush (which isn't entirely fair given the relative ages of the two bands' members), the last time there was less than three years between Rush albums was between Counterparts and Test for Echo (two years, eleven months), and in the time that DT released everything in its catalog (13 studio albums plus ACoS and 8 live albums), Rush released only 7 studio albums (plus the Feedback EP) and (interestingly, I think) only one fewer live album than DT.
I think it's way too early to have artwork.
Then, I only expect the treasure hunt to reveal the album title, and maybe the tracklist or some other info similar to that. Would love to be proven wrong on this, tho :laugh:
Or maybe they'll reveal the name of the band!
Dresm Thester!
Those guys ROSK!!!
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I guess we will finally know who’s going to mix the album very soon :metal
... unless they decide to keep that a secret :P
That's what I was wondering myself. What if the bigger picture from the treasure hunt was to reveal someone as an outside producer, a guest...and not just the album title or something to that effect?
B.Lee
That would be really cool, even though I'm just expecting it to be the album title and/or the artwork.
Or a free copy or "The Astonishing Novel" ;D
Seriously though, it's a pity it was released only in limited edition. I hope they make more copies in the future.. Sorry for going off topic, probably the treasure is something regarding DT14. 99% sure :metal
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Just Let Me Eat!!
"Endless Appetite"
🎶No food is wasted the Turkey's basted,
Always taste it - Endless appetite' 🎶
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We've gotten videos for every band member that has finished recording his tracks. I wonder if we'll get one with James as well.
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Just Let Me Eat!!
"Endless Appetite"
🎶No food is wasted the Turkey's basted,
Always taste it - Endless appetite' 🎶
:lol
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For god sakes guys try and look more relaxed in these photos than you have managed to over the past 15 years. I feel we've gotten past the "We play metal, let's all look tough and serious" look, but their photos always look so uncomfortable, like they have no idea how to stand, what to do with their arms, etc... and it makes everyone look awkward. Except JM, who mastered the "I'm just gonna stand here with my poker face and let you take all the pictures you want" look around the time of Awake.
I would think that it's the photographer's job to tell them how to stand. They don't have to pose as models but still I would assume that a photographer would line them up properly and tell them how to stand, rather than just taking a photo with a professional camera of 5 guys who just randomly position themselves in front of the photographer
And about looks, the Octavarium era was the best.
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Just Let Me Eat!!
"Endless Appetite"
🎶No food is wasted the Turkey's basted,
Always taste it - Endless appetite' 🎶
:rollin
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Bntg0DxHDAc/?taken-by=dtimages FINISHED
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"4 months ago we moved into a secret location"
Someone here figured it out the first day of recording :lol (and then the info was removed to discourage over zealous fans to find the band)
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Excellent....James is all done then?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Bntg0DxHDAc/?taken-by=dtimages FINISHED
:metal
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Excellent....James is all done then?
It seems so. Can't wait to hear what the guys have done this time! :metal
B.Lee
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Who here could wait? (seriously)
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Who here could wait? (seriously)
BlobVandam, Rumborak, Dublagent66 and others I think. ;D
B.Lee
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Who here could wait? (seriously)
To await a pleasure, is itself a pleasure...
Edit. (Sometimes not...)
Edit 2. (Me included)
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Who here could wait? (seriously)
To await a pleasure, is itself a pleasure...
Edit. (Sometimes not...)
Edit 2. (Me included)
& sometimes all I want to do is wait
The shadow I've been hiding in has fled from me today
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Who here could wait? (seriously)
To await a pleasure, is itself a pleasure...
Edit. (Sometimes not...)
Edit 2. (Me included)
& sometimes all I want to do is wait
The shadow I've been hiding in has fled from me today
Life's true intent needs patience..
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Who here could wait? (seriously)
To await a pleasure, is itself a pleasure...
Edit. (Sometimes not...)
Edit 2. (Me included)
& sometimes all I want to do is wait
The shadow I've been hiding in has fled from me today
Life's true intent needs patience..
Shaaaaman, taaake myyy... SIIGNAAAAAAAL!!!..
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Isn't the album title one of the the last things bands do (post mixing)? Unless it's a concept album...
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Who here could wait? (seriously)
I could.
I didn't listen to anything at all from The Astonishing. I refused to watch the trailer or the video for The Gift of Music. I bought the album not having heard a single note or snippet about it. If I feel like it I'll be doing it for the new album as well. The pleasure of a full, unspoiled first experience is priceless.
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Very true.
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Who here could wait? (seriously)
To await a pleasure, is itself a pleasure...
Edit. (Sometimes not...)
Edit 2. (Me included)
& sometimes all I want to do is wait
The shadow I've been hiding in has fled from me today
Life's true intent needs patience..
Shaaaaman, taaake myyy... SIIGNAAAAAAAL!!!..
Sometimes we should take the time to wait for another day in which DT finally releases the new album which they composed and wrote with their gift of music and i'm sure it will be an astonishing record. But in the end we have to make this endless sacrifice of waiting the day when we will finally have the answer to our train of thoughts..........
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Who here could wait? (seriously)
To await a pleasure, is itself a pleasure...
Edit. (Sometimes not...)
Edit 2. (Me included)
& sometimes all I want to do is wait
The shadow I've been hiding in has fled from me today
Life's true intent needs patience..
Shaaaaman, taaake myyy... SIIGNAAAAAAAL!!!..
Sometimes we should take the time to wait for another day in which DT finally releases the new album which they composed and wrote with their gift of music and i'm sure it will be an astonishing record. But in the end we have to make this endless sacrifice of waiting the dAy AfTeR dAy AnD nIgHt AfTeR nIgHt when we will finally have the answer to our train of thoughts..........
fix'd
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Who here could wait? (seriously)
To await a pleasure, is itself a pleasure...
Edit. (Sometimes not...)
Edit 2. (Me included)
& sometimes all I want to do is wait
The shadow I've been hiding in has fled from me today
Life's true intent needs patience..
Shaaaaman, taaake myyy... SIIGNAAAAAAAL!!!..
Sometimes we should take the time to wait for another day in which DT finally releases the new album which they composed and wrote with their gift of music and i'm sure it will be an astonishing record. But in the end we have to make this endless sacrifice of waiting the dAy AfTeR dAy AnD nIgHt AfTeR nIgHt when we will finally have the answer to our train of thoughts..........
fix'd
Haha too right!
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Do they usually take a break after the recording is done or is it straight to mixing?
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Do they usually take a break after the recording is done or is it straight to mixing?
I think it depends on who’s going to mix it and his schedule.
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Do they usually take a break after the recording is done or is it straight to mixing?
I think it depends on who’s going to mix it and his schedule.
Or her. Could be Sylvia Massy :lol
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From JP : That's a wrap!
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bnv-qDTh9pr/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=zowhspnwybi8 (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bnv-qDTh9pr/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=zowhspnwybi8)
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Do they usually take a break after the recording is done or is it straight to mixing?
I think it depends on who’s going to mix it and his schedule.
Or her. Could be Sylvia Massy :lol
I wonder what the chances are of them using Nolly for this album
Wishful thinking I guess..
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Exciting news. At this rate we could be on track for a Jan or Feb release.
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Do they usually take a break after the recording is done or is it straight to mixing?
I think it depends on who’s going to mix it and his schedule.
Or her. Could be Sylvia Massy :lol
I wonder what the chances are of them using Nolly for this album
Wishful thinking I guess..
I’d be very happy if it was Nolly, Jens Bogren or Kevin Shirley.
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Who the heck is Nolly?
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Who the heck is Nolly?
Former bass player from Periphery. He has mixed the last one or two Devin Townsend records and most of the Periphery discography. I prefer his mixes over Steven Wilson’s. He has a great ear for mixing.
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Nolly is a beast when it comes to mixing albums, specially drums :metal
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Who the heck is Nolly?
Former bass player from Periphery. He has mixed the last one or two Devin Townsend records and most of the Periphery discography. I prefer his mixes over Steven Wilson’s. He has a great ear for mixing.
He also did a VERY good job with He Is Legend's "few", Animals As Leaders' "The Joy of Motion" and some Good Tiger releases.
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As I said before, and now it's even more correct - we're now in that limbo phase where it's only logical to call The Astonishing the last DT albums, but there are five guys who happen to disagree. And those five guys are the DT members, who have a finished product in their hands of which they know title, songs, general direction and, if not already the artwork, they most likely have an idea of what they want for it.
There is a DT14 out there!!! it's just not ready for the world yet, but the successor to The Astonishing already exists!
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Who the heck is Nolly?
Former bass player from Periphery. He has mixed the last one or two Devin Townsend records and most of the Periphery discography. I prefer his mixes over Steven Wilson’s. He has a great ear for mixing.
He also did a VERY good job with He Is Legend's "few", Animals As Leaders' "The Joy of Motion" and some Good Tiger releases.
Nolly mixed and engineered the new Architects song as well. The single sounds killer.
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As I said before, and now it's even more correct - we're now in that limbo phase where it's only logical to call The Astonishing the last DT albums, but there are five guys who happen to disagree. And those five guys are the DT members, who have a finished product in their hands of which they know title, songs, general direction and, if not already the artwork, they most likely have an idea of what they want for it.
There is a DT14 out there!!! it's just not ready for the world yet, but the successor to The Astonishing already exists!
And this is very exciting! :metal
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I agree! I especially hope that this album will be to Mike what Scenes/Six Degrees were to Jordan. I remember before the self-titled album was released, I think it was JP that mentionned that the album would be Mangini unleashed. But I think it's this upcoming one will truly show Mangini unleashed. The fact that he was given or took the opportunity to contribute to the lyrics side of things makes me hopeful that his musical contribution will be felt.
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Nolly mixed and engineered the new Architects song as well. The single sounds killer.
Just listened to it.. Amazing production :metal
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I agree! I especially hope that this album will be to Mike what Scenes/Six Degrees were to Jordan. I remember before the self-titled album was released, I think it was JP that mentionned that the album would be Mangini unleashed. But I think it's this upcoming one will truly show Mangini unleashed. The fact that he was given or took the opportunity to contribute to the lyrics side of things makes me hopeful that his musical contribution will be felt.
I really hope you are right because as amazing as Mangini is, the last 3 album have just shown technicality, not creativity( not that they haven’t been great albums, but I would like to see more of him as a creative mind)
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Couldn’t disagree more, I thought the drumming on The Astonishing was incredibly creative.
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I agree! I especially hope that this album will be to Mike what Scenes/Six Degrees were to Jordan. I remember before the self-titled album was released, I think it was JP that mentionned that the album would be Mangini unleashed. But I think it's this upcoming one will truly show Mangini unleashed. The fact that he was given or took the opportunity to contribute to the lyrics side of things makes me hopeful that his musical contribution will be felt.
I really hope you are right because as amazing as Mangini is, the last 3 album have just shown technicality, not creativity( not that they haven’t been great albums, but I would like to see more of him as a creative mind)
What is creativity? Isn't creativity about thinking of new ways of playing, especially unorthodox parts?
Thinking of doing blast beats to a swingjazz portion, isn't that creative?
Thinking of playing two drum rolls at once to simulate a marching band, isn't that creative?
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I agree! I especially hope that this album will be to Mike what Scenes/Six Degrees were to Jordan. I remember before the self-titled album was released, I think it was JP that mentionned that the album would be Mangini unleashed. But I think it's this upcoming one will truly show Mangini unleashed. The fact that he was given or took the opportunity to contribute to the lyrics side of things makes me hopeful that his musical contribution will be felt.
I really hope you are right because as amazing as Mangini is, the last 3 album have just shown technicality, not creativity( not that they haven’t been great albums, but I would like to see more of him as a creative mind)
What is creativity? Isn't creativity about thinking of new ways of playing, especially unorthodox parts?
Thinking of doing blast beats to a swingjazz portion, isn't that creative?
Thinking of playing two drum rolls at once to simulate a marching band, isn't that creative?
Totally agree there.
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green is not a creative color
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I agree! I especially hope that this album will be to Mike what Scenes/Six Degrees were to Jordan. I remember before the self-titled album was released, I think it was JP that mentionned that the album would be Mangini unleashed. But I think it's this upcoming one will truly show Mangini unleashed. The fact that he was given or took the opportunity to contribute to the lyrics side of things makes me hopeful that his musical contribution will be felt.
I really hope you are right because as amazing as Mangini is, the last 3 album have just shown technicality, not creativity( not that they haven’t been great albums, but I would like to see more of him as a creative mind)
What is creativity? Isn't creativity about thinking of new ways of playing, especially unorthodox parts?
Thinking of doing blast beats to a swingjazz portion, isn't that creative?
Thinking of playing two drum rolls at once to simulate a marching band, isn't that creative?
Totally agree there.
I agree as well, Mangini's playing might not be everyone's thing, but it is undeniable that it's incredibly creative. Just watch that Enemy Inside video on youtube where he does a playthrough. I mean, THAT is incredibly well thought through and there's so many awesome things in this one song alone. It's the sound that makes some of his stuff sound stiff or "too perfect" in my opinion. But I really don't want to start another Mangini's-drumsound-discussion.
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There is a DT14 out there!!! it's just not ready for the world yet, but the successor to The Astonishing already exists!
I'm thinking of it as DT13, the successor to the self-titled DT12. I'm trying to blot The A*******ing from my memory...
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There is a DT14 out there!!! it's just not ready for the world yet, but the successor to The Astonishing already exists!
I'm thinking of it as DT13, the successor to the self-titled DT12. I'm trying to blot The A*******ing from my memory...
I'll try to blot your comment from my memory.
:biggrin:
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There is a DT14 out there!!! it's just not ready for the world yet, but the successor to The Astonishing already exists!
I'm thinking of it as DT13, the successor to the self-titled DT12. I'm trying to blot The A*******ing from my memory...
The Asssssssing
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There is a DT14 out there!!! it's just not ready for the world yet, but the successor to The Astonishing already exists!
I'm thinking of it as DT13, the successor to the self-titled DT12. I'm trying to blot The A*******ing from my memory...
:tup
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I agree as well, Mangini's playing might not be everyone's thing, but it is undeniable that it's incredibly creative. Just watch that Enemy Inside video on youtube where he does a playthrough. I mean, THAT is incredibly well thought through and there's so many awesome things in this one song alone. It's the sound that makes some of his stuff sound stiff or "too perfect" in my opinion. But I really don't want to start another Mangini's-drumsound-discussion.
I am not even talking about The Walking Shadow here.
I think one of the problems was when it was reported that JP wrote the drum parts for ADTOE, a lot thought that JP literally composed how the drums would be played and Mangini just followed then. Given how creative the ADTOE drum parts turned out, some even began spouting the nonsense that JP is more creative than MM in writing drum parts. But it has been repeatedly cleared many times that JP wrote very basic drum parts. Like would JP have written those polyrhythms in the intro of OTBOA? Or that crazy upbeat on the hihats on 4/4 while playing 54321 om snare and bass in BAI? Or that Outcry instrumental? Or the footwork in LNF? Or the whole BITS?
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There is a DT14 out there!!! it's just not ready for the world yet, but the successor to The Astonishing already exists!
I'm thinking of it as DT13, the successor to the self-titled DT12. I'm trying to blot The A*******ing from my memory...
I'll try to blot your comment from my memory.
:biggrin:
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I agree as well, Mangini's playing might not be everyone's thing, but it is undeniable that it's incredibly creative. Just watch that Enemy Inside video on youtube where he does a playthrough. I mean, THAT is incredibly well thought through and there's so many awesome things in this one song alone. It's the sound that makes some of his stuff sound stiff or "too perfect" in my opinion. But I really don't want to start another Mangini's-drumsound-discussion.
I am not even talking about The Walking Shadow here.
I think one of the problems was when it was reported that JP wrote the drum parts for ADTOE, a lot thought that JP literally composed how the drums would be played and Mangini just followed then. Given how creative the ADTOE drum parts turned out, some even began spouting the nonsense that JP is more creative than MM in writing drum parts. But it has been repeatedly cleared many times that JP wrote very basic drum parts. Like would JP have written those polyrhythms in the intro of OTBOA? Or that crazy upbeat on the hihats on 4/4 while playing 54321 om snare and bass in BAI? Or that Outcry instrumental? Or the footwork in LNF? Or the whole BITS?
I agree with your point but I wouldn't say he wrote "very basic" parts. I remember him saying he had a lot of fun with it and got into writing some cool drum stuff. Mike even admitted at times what petrucci did is exactly what he would have done. Granted, there's a lot there I doubt petrucci wrote so mangini still deserves a lot of credit.
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Petrucci himself said that all he wrote were "very basic parts." And he has said that more than once.
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Petrucci himself said that all he wrote were "very basic parts." And he has said that more than once.
Ok. He also said he spent a lot of time with the drum machine and had fun trying different things.
Mike Mangini also said some things he didn't change because he would have played them the same way and other things he had free rein on and got really creative.
They both said that more than once.
What's your point?
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"The important thing to stress, however, is that John didn't program all the drum parts that I would play, and I didn't play them note-for-note. He created outlines for me. Some things I played as they were, other things I changed, and in some cases he and I tried something totally different."
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"The important thing to stress, however, is that John didn't program all the drum parts that I would play, and I didn't play them note-for-note. He created outlines for me. Some things I played as they were, other things I changed, and in some cases he and I tried something totally different."
That's pretty much what I was referring to. Thanks for finding that.
There was another one with John where he talked more in depth about it than any other time (which was still only a paragraphs worth) and he even named the drum program he used. He talked about getting into the programming which made me think it may have been a bit more extensive than we all first thought. I did a quick search and couldn't find that. Regardless, Mangini clearly left his own footprint and did an amazing job.
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Yes, which is why I said John did just basic drum parts which is why Mangini referred to it as an outline.
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And yet, when you hear JP describe the process, the impression you get is not that it is super basic.
https://youtu.be/-QaHdj4GTL8
I mean - superior drummer is a pretty advanced drum sequencer, and the “simpler version”, ezdrummer is what devin Townsend used for the ziltoid album, and meshuggah for the catch 33 album. Superior let’s you make drum tracks that sound like real drums in a very short while.
That being said, doesn’t mean that the stuff Mangini did wasn’t worlds beyond what JP programmed.
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And yet, when you hear JP describe the process, the impression you get is not that it is super basic.
https://youtu.be/-QaHdj4GTL8
I mean - superior drummer is a pretty advanced drum sequencer, and the “simpler version”, ezdrummer is what devin Townsend used for the ziltoid album, and meshuggah for the catch 33 album. Superior let’s you make drum tracks that sound like real drums in a very short while.
That being said, doesn’t mean that the stuff Mangini did wasn’t worlds beyond what JP programmed.
So the album sounded killer even before Mangini got involved according to John and Roadrunner. I would say that's a few steps beyond "very basic" but I still have no doubt that Mangini brought it to the next level and then some.
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Does anyone remember how the self titled album was announced? The Astonishing was one of a kind in its unveiling so it doesn't really count; what happened for the previous album? it was just announced that it would be self titled? did we get cover art, title AND tracklist at the same time?
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You're right. (if I remember correctly that is) For DT14 I would presume that we will similarly get everything as well this time around, once the treasure hunt ends.
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Does anyone remember how the self titled album was announced? The Astonishing was one of a kind in its unveiling so it doesn't really count; what happened for the previous album? it was just announced that it would be self titled? did we get cover art, title AND tracklist at the same time?
A press-release -announcing the title and release date- appeared on the band's and Roadrunner's websites on June 6th:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130609165106/https://www.dreamtheater.net:80/board_posts/new-dream-theater-studio-album-out-on-september-24th
https://web.archive.org/web/20130608221131/https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/dream-theater-album-20130605
That same day, the first of a few video docummentaries appeared on the band's and Roadrunner's YouTube channels:
https://youtu.be/EIjhQhm1JvU
https://youtu.be/Xc_1fwJmBk8
You can check out DTF's fan reactions starting from here:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35260.msg1587311#msg1587311
The artwork and tracklist were revealed on the band's website on July 9th:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130714031638/https://www.dreamtheater.net:80/board_posts/dream-theater-cover-and-track-listing-revealed
You can check out DTF's fan reactions -specially about the artwork :facepalm:- starting from here:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=37913.msg1611991#msg1611991
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Going by the above timeline then I guess: album title in October, tracklist/artwork in Nov, single in Dec and album release in Jan.
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Does anyone remember how the self titled album was announced? The Astonishing was one of a kind in its unveiling so it doesn't really count; what happened for the previous album? it was just announced that it would be self titled? did we get cover art, title AND tracklist at the same time?
A press-release -announcing the title and release date- appeared on the band's and Roadrunner's websites on June 6th:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130609165106/https://www.dreamtheater.net:80/board_posts/new-dream-theater-studio-album-out-on-september-24th
https://web.archive.org/web/20130608221131/https://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/news/dream-theater-album-20130605
That same day, the first of a few video docummentaries appeared on the band's and Roadrunner's YouTube channels:
https://youtu.be/EIjhQhm1JvU
https://youtu.be/Xc_1fwJmBk8
You can check out DTF's fan reactions starting from here:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=35260.msg1587311#msg1587311
The artwork and tracklist were revealed on the band's website on July 9th:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130714031638/https://www.dreamtheater.net:80/board_posts/dream-theater-cover-and-track-listing-revealed
You can check out DTF's fan reactions -specially about the artwork :facepalm:- starting from here:
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=37913.msg1611991#msg1611991
Excellent summary, thank you!
jonny108 is probably right about how it will go down this time...
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Excellent summary, thank you!
No problem! I'm putting together a document about the 'treasure hunt' and DT's (and DT's fan communities) history on the Internet, so I've been doing a lot of research, making timelines, etc. If I can help with something else, let me know!
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Going by the above timeline then I guess: album title in October, tracklist/artwork in Nov, single in Dec and album release in Jan.
I hope so, because we're almost in October! :metal
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Going by the above timeline then I guess: album title in October, tracklist/artwork in Nov, single in Dec and album release in Jan.
I hope so, because we're almost in October! :metal
If that has anything to do with the treasure hunt, then we’ll probably know it in 3-4 weeks :metal
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Going by the above timeline then I guess: album title in October, tracklist/artwork in Nov, single in Dec and album release in Jan.
I hope so, because we're almost in October! :metal
If that has anything to do with the treasure hunt, then we’ll probably know it in 3-4 weeks :metal
Yeah, baby, yeah!!! :metal
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Going by the above timeline then I guess: album title in October, tracklist/artwork in Nov, single in Dec and album release in Jan.
I hope so, because we're almost in October! :metal
If that has anything to do with the treasure hunt, then we’ll probably know it in 3-4 weeks :metal
Yeah, baby, yeah!!! :metal
BLABBERMOUTH.NET: Progressive metal titans DREAM THEATER set to release upcoming album “Yeah, baby, yeah!!!” in January 2019.
This is what a devoted fan of the band had to say on the upcoming album: SO ENERGY!! POWAH!!! YEAH!!!!
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We all know that, according to the Treasure Hunt, the album will be called YIKES! xD
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A little birdie told me the album is actually called "History."
They've been making it for the last few months. :lol
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Holy crap please please please call the album "Making History." Then embark on a worldwide tour called the "... And You? Tour"
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Holy crap please please please call the album "Making History." Then embark on a worldwide tour called the "... And You? Tour"
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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Holy crap please please please call the album "Making History." Then embark on a worldwide tour called the "... And You? Tour"
:rollin :rollin
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Holy crap please please please call the album "Making History." Then embark on a worldwide tour called the "... And You? Tour"
:rollin
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Holy crap please please please call the album "Making History." Then embark on a worldwide tour called the "... And You? Tour"
:|
(Sorry. Had to be done. This did genuinely make me laugh.) This autumn is impressive enough as far as new releases go. And that's even without the presumed release of new DT album news through its course.
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Holy crap please please please call the album "Making History." Then embark on a worldwide tour called the "... And You? Tour"
:|
This is even funnier!
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Holy crap please please please call the album "Making History." Then embark on a worldwide tour called the "... And You? Tour"
This may be the best thing I've ever read on this forum.
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Holy crap please please please call the album "Making History." Then embark on a worldwide tour called the "... And You? Tour"
Well done sir
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Holy crap please please please call the album "Making History." Then embark on a worldwide tour called the "... And You? Tour"
This may be the best thing I've ever read on this forum.
Agreed. :lol
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Holy crap please please please call the album "Making History." Then embark on a worldwide tour called the "... And You? Tour"
:rollin :rollin :rollin
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James finished vocals, see here: https://www.facebook.com/officialjameslabrie/posts/2236106726431538?__xts__[0]=68.ARCQN-FGaZy7Xw2qgbqosRIxIz8JI1eKfrMgxke7rX00FOICAwcvdYw0Ag1g9qCqATFhTsC53Rv8mEnlnQfmk2JAFSutztjf4YKSVT6hSLVrMTsHv9EArLZwAGDMkBLkje2zNjQNKmc_mZ4UgJw5ZEcP_L2Zq1WfkjKkdxURm15USm1IodpcXA&__tn__=-R (what's strange about the post is that Petruccinator's complete finish post was on Sept. 14th)
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At first I thought he just finished vocals today, but now I see it more as a “just to let you know that I already finished my vocals for the album” post, and he’s just hyping things up. Either way, I just want them to start mixing the album very soon :metal
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At first I thought he just finished vocals today, but now I see it more as a “just to let you know that I already finished my vocals for the album” post, and he’s just hyping things up. Either way, I just want them to start mixing the album very soon :metal
It is possible that they left the studio but James still had some small things to complete that he did at his own place (If I remember correctly, he sometimes records vocals in Canada), and just finished today
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Holy crap please please please call the album "Making History." Then embark on a worldwide tour called the "... And You? Tour"
Well done sir
+1 :lol
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At first I thought he just finished vocals today, but now I see it more as a “just to let you know that I already finished my vocals for the album” post, and he’s just hyping things up. Either way, I just want them to start mixing the album very soon :metal
Have they done overdubs and what not? Or would that be done during the mixing?
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At first I thought he just finished vocals today, but now I see it more as a “just to let you know that I already finished my vocals for the album” post, and he’s just hyping things up. Either way, I just want them to start mixing the album very soon :metal
Have they done overdubs and what not? Or would that be done during the mixing?
Overdubs are nothing more than other extra recordings, so they have to be done before the mixing process.
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Wonder why we didn’t get any pics or anything of him recording. He’s been completely under wraps from the other guys. I know he likes privacy while he does his thing, but still lol
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Wonder why we didn’t get any pics or anything of him recording. He’s been completely under wraps from the other guys. I know he likes privacy while he does his thing, but still lol
They might be keeping it stealthy for the deluxe edition bonus DVD with the making of DT14 + commentaries :lol
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Have they done overdubs and what not? Or would that be done during the mixing?
On August 24th, JP posted that he was done with guitar tracking:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm4OQooBTsR
But, if you check out some of his pictures from September, you get the feeling that he was still recording. I assume he did do overdubs.
In fact, he had said he still needed to work on some solos on August 23rd:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm1pbg7nglf
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The guy they've got engineering this album, James Meslin, is great. Really hope they get him to mix the record too. I've just been checking out some of the stuff he's done on his website/Soundcloud - https://www.jamesmeslinaudio.com/ (https://www.jamesmeslinaudio.com/) Sounds fantastic.
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The guy they've got engineering this album, James Meslin, is great. Really hope they get him to mix the record too. I've just been checking out some of the stuff he's done on his website/Soundcloud - https://www.jamesmeslinaudio.com/ (https://www.jamesmeslinaudio.com/) Sounds fantastic.
He seems to have engineered and produced DT's cover of Rush's Xanadu in 2017.
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Holy crap please please please call the album "Making History." Then embark on a worldwide tour called the "... And You? Tour"
:rollin :rollin :rollin
If not it's pretty darn close. That was awesome!
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James Meslin just posted this: https://www.instagram.com/p/BoHsp5MhD-z/?taken-by=james_meslin
So he's still in the same studio, and it looks like he might be mixing the album already :metal
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I'm sure someone mentioned it already, but what is a good album that he has mixed so I can hear how his work sounds like?
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Xanadu https://www.jamesmeslinaudio.com/
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Xanadu https://www.jamesmeslinaudio.com/
I'm far from understanding how mixing works, but if this is any indication of how DT14 may sound like, then I'm in for a treat!
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I think it will be an indication or a strong possibility or whatever you'll call it. Apart from that, I was very pleased with how it sounds as well. (musically speaking it's great as well IMHO but you weren't referring to that now)
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The mixes for "It Came From Space" are very, very good. It sounds modern and fresh, hope he gets the same inspiration while mixing DT!
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The mixes for "It Came From Space" are very, very good. It sounds modern and fresh, hope he gets the same inspiration while mixing DT!
Will have to check that album out :tup
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The mixes for "It Came From Space" are very, very good. It sounds modern and fresh, hope he gets the same inspiration while mixing DT!
Will have to check that album out :tup
Just found out these guys on Spotify, they have two amazing EPs and the absurdly low 52 followers for the quality they present. I guess Meslin just mixed the latest work.
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Mixing should probably be starting up this week or next, yes?
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I sure hope so! I wonder if this will come out in time for my birthday (last day of January) like The Astonishing did... :metal
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I sure hope so! I wonder if this will come out in time for my birthday (last day of January) like The Astonishing did... :metal
Very high chance. Although I’m thinking it’ll be February.
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The other night in Beverly Hills Jordan had an impromptu meet and greet after his set (opening for Al Di Meola). I asked him if the name of the new album was Hidden By Design, which he thought was a very cool name for an album, but he confirmed that it is not the name of the forthcoming album. Too bad, because it is such a perfect fit for a Dream Theater title.
I'm sure this comes as no surprise to the treasure hunters that figured out that the letters revealed so far couldn't possibly be an anagram for Hidden By Design. Of course, it's possible that the letters are NOT an anagram, but could be another password or master cipher that finally reveals the true album title - but for now I can tell you what the title isn't. I know nothing else, and pressed no further.
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I'm sure the album is NOT called like that, hence why he had no problem answering, but.... what if it was? could he tell a random fan that the album was called like that? wouldn't playing coy, saying something like "uuuh I can't really tell anything, not even to deny rumours" be suspicious?
Again, I absolutely believe the album is not called like that and that he gave you a straight answer. But if the album was actually called like that, lying was better than saying "ehmmmm can't really say" while blushing.
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Xanadu https://www.jamesmeslinaudio.com/
I'm far from understanding how mixing works, but if this is any indication of how DT14 may sound like, then I'm in for a treat!
I don't think DT14 would sound like this because this was not even recorded in a proper recording studio. :)
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The mixes for "It Came From Space" are very, very good. It sounds modern and fresh, hope he gets the same inspiration while mixing DT!
If you are talking about We Came From Space - While You Were Away then it's my favorite album so far this year....
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Xanadu https://www.jamesmeslinaudio.com/
I'm far from understanding how mixing works, but if this is any indication of how DT14 may sound like, then I'm in for a treat!
I don't think DT14 would sound like this because this was not even recorded in a proper recording studio. :)
And it was only engineered and produced by Meslin, but mixed by Chycki. However, I think Jimmy T will come up with the best sounding MM era album so far :metal
Btw, if he also lists “production” for the Xanadu cover, would it be too crazy to think he might have co-produced this album too?
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Xanadu https://www.jamesmeslinaudio.com/
I'm far from understanding how mixing works, but if this is any indication of how DT14 may sound like, then I'm in for a treat!
I don't think DT14 would sound like this because this was not even recorded in a proper recording studio. :)
And it was only engineered and produced by Meslin, but mixed by Chycki. However, I think Jimmy T will come up with the best sounding MM era album so far :metal
Btw, if he also lists “production” for the Xanadu cover, would it be too crazy to think he might have co-produced this album too?
Yes :lol
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Xanadu https://www.jamesmeslinaudio.com/
I'm far from understanding how mixing works, but if this is any indication of how DT14 may sound like, then I'm in for a treat!
I don't think DT14 would sound like this because this was not even recorded in a proper recording studio. :)
And it was only engineered and produced by Meslin, but mixed by Chycki. However, I think Jimmy T will come up with the best sounding MM era album so far :metal
Btw, if he also lists “production” for the Xanadu cover, would it be too crazy to think he might have co-produced this album too?
Yes :lol
Seeing how we don't even know if he's mixing it yet, jumping to co-producer would be a huge leap :lol
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Maybe fellow member noxon can ask on behalf of all of us.
His birds are well connected.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BoHsp5MhD-z/?taken-by=james_meslin
Seems that Mr. Meslin is indeed mixing the new album.
I'm so glad it's not Rich Chycki.
:metal
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BoHsp5MhD-z/?taken-by=james_meslin
Seems that Mr. Meslin is indeed mixing the new album.
I'm so glad it's not Rich Chycki.
:metal
That doesn't mean he's mixing the album... He might be, or he's just finishing up typical engineering work - comping, cleaning up tracks, doing some editing, etc...
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BoHsp5MhD-z/?taken-by=james_meslin
Seems that Mr. Meslin is indeed mixing the new album.
I'm so glad it's not Rich Chycki.
:metal
That doesn't mean he's mixing the album... He might be, or he's just finishing up typical engineering work - comping, cleaning up tracks, doing some editing, etc...
Wouldn't mind (I'm actually looking forward to) either way.
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That "get a job comment" on the insta post cracks me up :lol
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BoHsp5MhD-z/?taken-by=james_meslin
Seems that Mr. Meslin is indeed mixing the new album.
I'm so glad it's not Rich Chycki.
:metal
That doesn't mean he's mixing the album... He might be, or he's just finishing up typical engineering work - comping, cleaning up tracks, doing some editing, etc...
Wouldn't mind (I'm actually looking forward to) either way.
That's the same link I posted yesterday. By the look of it, I think it's very very possible that he's in fact mixing the album there. Hope we get a confirmation soon, I REALLY can't wait any longer to get more info/insight about this album.
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Maybe fellow member noxon can ask on behalf of all of us.
His birds are well connected.
Patience is the key. These kinds of details will be revealed when it is time to reveal them.
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So you are saying: SOON!
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Interesting info for the studio gear sluts: https://rupertneve.com/news/dream-theater-records-rupert-neve-designs-rmp-d8/#
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We don't have an RMP-D8, but our studio has a 5088 console, sounds like a dream. I've been lucky to have been using it for the past 8 years. Rupert Neve products sound great. I'm a huge fan.
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Interesting info for the studio gear sluts: https://rupertneve.com/news/dream-theater-records-rupert-neve-designs-rmp-d8/#
Very cool article. Good stuff at the end when James was talking about the drum kit micing.
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Too bad they couldn't get their hands on a Custom Series 75 powered by Neve.
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The article says they were ready to record the album one month ahead of schedule. Hope this means we get the album in January and not February. Fingers crossed!
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Taken from Mangini’s recent Facebook post:
“DT album is musically what people want and I (we) wanted. So Happy about it. My solo work will be heard later in 2019 as it is vital to my being a more complete contributor to my DT Teammates even if you don't like it, or like it.”
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Taken from Magini’s recent Facebook post:
“DT album is musically what people want and I (we) wanted. So Happy about it. My solo work will be heard later in 2019 as it is vital to my being a more complete contributor to my DT Teammates even if you don't like it, or like it.”
Am I the only one who perceive a bit of frustration in these lines?
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The phrase "So Happy about it" clearly indicates a high level of frustration.
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Yeah, I'm sure Mike would have said so if he really didn't like it. (why would he lie to us?) I'm relieved that they're happy about what they've done. Consequently, we will be (or most of us anyway).
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Taken from Magini’s recent Facebook post:
“DT album is musically what people want and I (we) wanted. So Happy about it. My solo work will be heard later in 2019 as it is vital to my being a more complete contributor to my DT Teammates even if you don't like it, or like it.”
Am I the only one who perceive a bit of frustration in these lines?
If this was the last album maybe but we know he at least contributed lyrics and took part in the writing (how much of his ideas were used would be interesting to find out).
Without knowing that or if he had a lot if ideas that weren't used, it's impossibleto say. He was clearly much more involved than ever before which is a big step in the right direction. Looking forward to his solo album too.
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I actually feel he is really excited about it!! Because all he was asking for, in interviews and stuff, was that he wanted to be part of the whole creative process and contribute more, and that's exactly what happened. And that final part where he says "you don't like it, or you do", I believe he's referring to that portion of the fans who might be sceptical about his contributions, and whether they like the album or not, it is what it is, and he's part of the whole thing now, these fans will just have to deal with it!! And I like the way he related his participation on DT14 with his solo album, I think his time working on solo material inspired him to be even more effective on DT music.
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I think that the "even if you don't like it or like it" sounds more assertive than frustrated. I'm not a psychologist though. :p
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I think that the "even if you don't like it or like it" sounds more assertive than frustrated.
It's the part before that that caught my attention: "My solo work will be heard later in 2019 as it is vital to my being a more complete contributor to my DT Teammates"
His solo work is vital to him being a more complete contributor. We will therefore hear it sometime next year. What does that even mean?
The cynic in me reads it as "My solo work shows more of what I really am about, not just what I can contribute to Dream Theater" or something like that. I know, he's practically saying the exact opposite. But playing in a band is generally a compromise. No one gets to do everything they want to, musically, unless their musical goals happen to align exactly with what the band is doing, which certainly happens sometimes. But musicians who feel the need to explore more musical things end up doing solo albums so they can do exactly that. MM feels that his solo work is vital... (okay so far) ... to being a more complete contributor to DT (what?)
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Yeah, I was scratching my head about that too. MM's comments are often confusing to me though, so it just seems more of the same. I'll go with bosk1 on this one and guess that "So happy about it" means exactly that.
Come to think of it, my posting history is just as confusing, so it's probably wise for me to not throw stones. :)
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Taken from Magini’s recent Facebook post:
“DT album is musically what people want and I (we) wanted. So Happy about it. My solo work will be heard later in 2019 as it is vital to my being a more complete contributor to my DT Teammates even if you don't like it, or like it.”
Am I the only one who perceive a bit of frustration in these lines?
I assume you're talking about the last sentence: "My solo work . . . is vital to my being a more complete contributor to my DT Teammates even if you don't like it, or like it." It seems to me that he probably recognizes that a good chunk of his followers follow him because he's in DT and may not care for whatever his solo material sounds like. All he's saying is that having another outlet for his musical creativity that doesn't necessarily appeal to DT fans is important to his work in DT, which makes perfect sense. Keep in mind as well that the part you excerpted comes at the end of a VERY long post about a number of subjects that is a bit all over the place. I wouldn't read anything into it.
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That makes sense. I haven't read the whole post, and likely never will, so having some context is helpful.
Also, I thought more about the quote itself, and I think I made a little more sense out of it, at least in my mind. I think he's saying that he's not "just" the drummer from Dream Theater, but a drummer with many different styles and influences, and by allowing himself to indulge in these other musical styles and influences keeps those other parts of him fresh, and some of that will show in his work with Dream Theater. He can be a more complete contributor because he has more to contribute. But it is only in his solo work that he can really explore and develop that, and not everybody will necessarily like all of it. Something like that. So yeah, a lot like what pg1067 is saying.
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Mike Mangini just posted on Facebook about a new drum kit he designed with Pearl and that was supposed to be used for the recording of DT14... but they wrote the album so fast that he couldn't use it :lol :hefdaddy
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I think he's saying that he's not "just" the drummer from Dream Theater, but a drummer with many different styles and influences, and by allowing himself to indulge in these other musical styles and influences keeps those other parts of him fresh, and some of that will show in his work with Dream Theater. He can be a more complete contributor because he has more to contribute. But it is only in his solo work that he can really explore and develop that, and not everybody will necessarily like all of it. Something like that. So yeah, a lot like what pg1067 is saying.
Now we're talking.. Yeah, this..
Am I the only one who perceive a bit of frustration in these lines?
It kinda sounds to me more like he's getting ahead of himself by prematurely thinking that the album will be polarizing.. That's fine for me, he's just expressing his opinion, and he's being very honest about it.. But frustration? Nah.. No musician would express frustration even if they think they have just done the worst album mankind has ever created..
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It's the part before that that caught my attention: "My solo work will be heard later in 2019 as it is vital to my being a more complete contributor to my DT Teammates"
His solo work is vital to him being a more complete contributor. We will therefore hear it sometime next year. What does that even mean?
The cynic in me reads it as "My solo work shows more of what I really am about, not just what I can contribute to Dream Theater" or something like that. I know, he's practically saying the exact opposite. But playing in a band is generally a compromise. No one gets to do everything they want to, musically, unless their musical goals happen to align exactly with what the band is doing, which certainly happens sometimes. But musicians who feel the need to explore more musical things end up doing solo albums so they can do exactly that. MM feels that his solo work is vital... (okay so far) ... to being a more complete contributor to DT (what?)
Based on several of his previous interviews, I think he is saying that he will do his solo work as this will help him bring more to the table, to be a more complete contributor, for the albums yet to come. He's said before that he is not as confident as the other guys in writing stuff, like in DT12 when he said that when they need a riff even before he can think of an idea to suggest, Jordan and the other guys would already come up with something in their iPad. I remember that he had a post (or an interview?) before saying that maybe he should have learned the other aspects of musical craftsmanship before (as opposed to just being focused on his drumming) as he is just learning a lot of these other aspects now. In his solo album, he would play everything. All the instruments. So "even if you don't like it, or like it", his solo work would help him contribute to DT's music.
That's my take.
This is the important part of his post for me. " DT album is musically what people want and I (we) wanted. So Happy about it."
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This is the important part of his post for me. " DT album is musically what people want and I (we) wanted. So Happy about it."
Ditto. That means: oversimplifying, "back to the roots", and more attention on the production AND the drum sound. We're in for a treat!!! :metal
Now, see it this way: Falling Into Infinity and the issues with the external influences drove them to swear off producers and taking matters into their own hands, resulting in SFAM, with a burning desire to prove themselves again. I absolutely love The Astonishing and I'm glad they did it, but those of you who don't, see it as a "necessary evil" - the fact that it was all in the hands of Petrucci and Rudess gave the other guys (and sure JP and JR themselves, they're not dictators) the strong will to have their say next time, resulting in a team work where everyone contributed, and was eager to do so!
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That makes sense. I haven't read the whole post, and likely never will, so having some context is helpful.
Yeah apologies for not posting the full thing, it was a big post and that was right at the end! I actually never looked into him being potentially frustrated, I just know that him saying that the new album is what fans and the band wanted made me even more excited for it even though it’s what I anticipated! I’m expecting it to be in the vein of ADTOE... maybe with a 20+ minute closer this time around
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This is the important part of his post for me. " DT album is musically what people want and I (we) wanted. So Happy about it."
Ditto. That means: oversimplifying, "back to the roots", and more attention on the production AND the drum sound. We're in for a treat!!! :metal
WDADU is their root too. So be careful. I'm ok with that though. :lol
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Well, realistically, I expect something along the lines of Dramatic, only heavier and with little new things here and there.
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Well, realistically, I expect something along the lines of Dramatic, only heavier and with little new things here and there.
I would be perfectly fine with an album like this, tbh. Dramatic is still my favorite Mangini era album.
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The way I read that last line is not so much frustration as regret that he is not able to be more involved.
I do not know Mangini's history in detail but the impression I get is that he's always been a hired gun, not one of the creative members of the band, just the drummer. He's now fully in a band and wants to be able to be a major creative force but does not have the experience and (maybe) confidence to really do that especially when sat next to JP and JR who are super creative. Doing a solo album that is his baby will give him that experience of overseeing a whole project that is his own creative vision, maybe with collaborations with others but still his thing. After doing that and gaining that experience he may then be more confident of having a greater creative contribution to DT.
To summarise, I don't think there is a frustration that the other members are shutting him out, more a regret that he himself doesn't have more to offer them and he wants to fix that. It does sound like he has had more input on this album but he wants even more! It can only be good for Dream Theater that this guy is so desperate to expand his horizons and could add a new dimension to the band.
As for his comments about the record, of course he's going to say he's happy with it but it does seem from all reports that they have done what most of us thought they would following The Astonishing and that is return to a more "classic" DT album. It makes sense following such a big departure last time around. As always, it will be my most anticipated album of the year!
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Well, realistically, I expect something along the lines of Dramatic, only heavier and with little new things here and there.
Well that would be lovely.
And yeah guys - the MM Facebook post - I wouldn't read too much into it, MM has always had an...interesting way with words. Take it at face value, he's happy with the work they did.
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and I think that's saying something
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That's all true, but remember, everyone always says that they're happy with the new album, it's great, people will love it, etc. When's the last time someone said "We're not really happy with it, it doesn't really stand up next to our earlier stuff, but we hope some people like it anyway"?
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That's all true, but remember, everyone always says that they're happy with the new album, it's great, people will love it, etc. When's the last time someone said "We're not really happy with it, it doesn't really stand up next to our earlier stuff, but we hope some people like it anyway"?
If we're lucky, they will eventually be honest way after the fact. I know Corey Taylor, who is one of the most annoying people with over hyping everything as THIS WILL BLOW YOUR MINDS! has recently admitted that the 2nd or 3rd Stone Sour was a hiccup in their career and did not go at all according to plan.
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The way I read the MM post, is the input he had with this new album gave him the confidence to complete a solo album. Since he has lyrics, I'm sure he had more musical input as well.
I'm getting more and more excited the closer we get. Maybe a song this coming month or next.
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It's the part before that that caught my attention: "My solo work will be heard later in 2019 as it is vital to my being a more complete contributor to my DT Teammates"
Interesting theories on what the above statement means. But I wonder if he could mean something as simple as: my solo album will come out later in 2019, because I wanted to make sure that I gave the new DT album my complete and undivided attention, and I wanted contribute more to it, not being distracted with what is going on with my solo album.
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It's the part before that that caught my attention: "My solo work will be heard later in 2019 as it is vital to my being a more complete contributor to my DT Teammates"
Interesting theories on what the above statement means. But I wonder if he could mean something as simple as: my solo album will come out later in 2019, because I wanted to make sure that I gave the new DT album my complete and undivided attention, and I wanted contribute more to it, not being distracted with what is going on with my solo album.
Just like you Scotty, that's what I supposed.
B.Lee
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Considering that we have not had anything from JP yet since the last studio update, I'm gonna guess the next update will come when the Treasure Hunt ends.
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Considering that we have not had anything from JP yet since the last studio update, I'm gonna guess the next update will come when the Treasure Hunt ends.
Hope not! It's not likely that he 'Treasure Hunt' will end in the next 3 weeks - we have 4 more puzzles to solve.
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Considering that we have not had anything from JP yet since the last studio update, I'm gonna guess the next update will come when the Treasure Hunt ends.
Hope not! It's not likely that he 'Treasure Hunt' will end in the next 3 weeks - we have 4 more puzzles to solve.
Oh, ok. I thought it ended mid October or so.
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The way I read that last line is not so much frustration as regret that he is not able to be more involved.
I do not know Mangini's history in detail but the impression I get is that he's always been a hired gun, not one of the creative members of the band, just the drummer. He's now fully in a band and wants to be able to be a major creative force but does not have the experience and (maybe) confidence to really do that especially when sat next to JP and JR who are super creative. Doing a solo album that is his baby will give him that experience of overseeing a whole project that is his own creative vision, maybe with collaborations with others but still his thing. After doing that and gaining that experience he may then be more confident of having a greater creative contribution to DT.
To summarise, I don't think there is a frustration that the other members are shutting him out, more a regret that he himself doesn't have more to offer them and he wants to fix that. It does sound like he has had more input on this album but he wants even more! It can only be good for Dream Theater that this guy is so desperate to expand his horizons and could add a new dimension to the band.
As for his comments about the record, of course he's going to say he's happy with it but it does seem from all reports that they have done what most of us thought they would following The Astonishing and that is return to a more "classic" DT album. It makes sense following such a big departure last time around. As always, it will be my most anticipated album of the year!
There's nothing at all indicating that Mangini is a hired gun. More glass-half-empty stuff here. He was chosen over others for a variety of reasons not the least of which was his personality and how seamless his integration was. Minneman and Wildoer would also not have been hired guns but I feel the others would have been.
How many times have the guys said that they weren't looking for just a hired gun? So why do people always look to dispute that?
It's the part before that that caught my attention: "My solo work will be heard later in 2019 as it is vital to my being a more complete contributor to my DT Teammates"
Interesting theories on what the above statement means. But I wonder if he could mean something as simple as: my solo album will come out later in 2019, because I wanted to make sure that I gave the new DT album my complete and undivided attention, and I wanted contribute more to it, not being distracted with what is going on with my solo album.
Agree.
Some people are reading WAY too much into snippets and bites and it's mostly glass-half-empty stuff and I find that sad. He could come out and say "feeling happy" and people would be like "oh, he's happy he's getting to do something this time and not be miserable". NOTHING in his attitude or live shows have shown anything but joy and enthusiasm and concentration so I have no idea where people are getting this negative attitude from.
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I think you misunderstood my post, I was saying that, prior to joining Dream Theater, he was historically a hired gun in other bands. In Dream Theater, he is not, he is part of the band and wants to contribute in a way that he has likely not done in most of his previous jobs.
Scotty’s take could make sense though. He wanted to fully commit to this record so he put his solo album on hold. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best one!
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I *did* misunderstand your post, sorry, and yes he has been a hired gun in the past which I think makes him even happier that he finally has a home and I just wish people would stop trying to rain on his parade.
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All I'm gonna say now is that MM seems like a humble awesome guy, so if he's happy, I am happy.
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All I'm gonna say now is that MM seems like a humble awesome guy, so if he's happy, I am happy.
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All I'm gonna say now is that MM seems like a humble awesome guy, so if he's happy, I am happy.
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I do too!
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All I'm gonna say now is that MM seems like a humble awesome guy, so if he's happy, I am happy.
Totally... which makes me scratch my head even more seeing people trying to pick apart little bites and somehow thinking that he's unhappy or under-utilized or whatever.
:huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:
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All I'm gonna say now is that MM seems like a humble awesome guy, so if he's happy, I am happy.
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I do too!
I've met him twice. Can confirm.
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All I'm gonna say now is that MM seems like a humble awesome guy, so if he's happy, I am happy.
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I do too!
I've met him twice. Can confirm.
I'd seriously love to meet him just to thank him for the inspiration.
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All I'm gonna say now is that MM seems like a humble awesome guy, so if he's happy, I am happy.
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I do too!
I've met him twice. Can confirm.
I'd seriously love to meet him just to thank him for the inspiration.
This :hefdaddy
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All I'm gonna say now is that MM seems like a humble awesome guy, so if he's happy, I am happy.
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I do too!
I've met him twice. Can confirm.
I'd seriously love to meet him just to thank him for the inspiration.
This :hefdaddy
I'm sure he'd love that because he's such a cool guy but you really leave an impression, talk sports with him. The second time I met him was at a clinic so it was pretty informal. Small line of people that stuck around to chat and get things signed. Wasn't even a table set up. The guy in front of us was talking all about Patriots football and Bruins and all that stuff and Mike was loving it.
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Mike is an absolute gentleman.
I met him once for an interview (and he had already done some interviews), and he was so excited and open to answer everything, with genuine interest in making me understand his point of view.
Once the staff came to give us a notice that we had ran out of time, he politely told them that we were not finished, and continued answering my questions.
Really adorable guy i would say, and i'm really hoping he got that excitement and inspiration out on the new album.
Τo move the topic back on track, i hope that we get a powerful sounding album without having over-compressed sounds all around.
Also, i really hope John keeps his guitar tone as streamlined as possible, i've become a little tired of his use of effects on the recent albums. Putting SDOIT and TOT again for a spin, i enjoy his crunchy guitar so much (and the drum clarity and power). Let's see if they nail the sound after 3 albums.
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Mike is an absolute gentleman.
I met him once for an interview (and he had already done some interviews), and he was so excited and open to answer everything, with genuine interest in making me understand his point of view.
Once the staff came to give us a notice that we had ran out of time, he politely told them that we were not finished, and continued answering my questions.
Really adorable guy i would say, and i'm really hoping he got that excitement and inspiration out on the new album.
Τo move the topic back on track, i hope that we get a powerful sounding album without having over-compressed sounds all around.
Also, i really hope John keeps his guitar tone as streamlined as possible, i've become a little tired of his use of effects on the recent albums. Putting SDOIT and TOT again for a spin, i enjoy his crunchy guitar so much (and the drum clarity and power). Let's see if they nail the sound after 3 albums.
yes because overcompression is very jarring to listen to IMHO, so that's my hope as well. (although I like JP's use of effects, then again I'm not a guitarist) My other hope is that they will hopefully be as technical and complicated as possible.
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Yeah, as long as the sound of the album is ok, it doesn't matter if it musically sucks..
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Yeah, as long as the sound of the album is ok, it doesn't matter if it musically sucks..
no no, it should be great musically as well and I anticipate it will be. What's with the green font? (is it meant to depict vomiting? I seriously don't know)
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Green font on DTF means sarcasm.
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Oh ok.
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Yeah, as long as the sound of the album is ok, it doesn't matter if it musically sucks..
Yeah! They should focus on the MYOOZIKS! That what really matters. SHould ditch the electric instruments and use just kazoo and bagpipes. Played through a paper bag and recorded on wax disc!
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Speaking of the sound, a lot of people rant that it's Chycki's fault that last two albums didn't sound good. But I think it's not. Listen to "Into The Great Divide". Mangini's drums sound phenomenal! And guess what? It was produced by Rich. I'm afraid someone else is pulling the strings on the drum sound...
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Speaking of the sound, a lot of people rant that it's Chycki's fault that last two albums didn't sound good. But I think it's not. Listen to "Into The Great Divide". Mangini's drums sound phenomenal! And guess what? It was produced by Rich. I'm afraid someone else is pulling the strings on the drum sound...
In case it's Petruccinator (which is the case I'm sure), he seems to be a bit more in the background for DT14 (meaning: having JM, James and Mike write things and all that) and they want to go for a more natural sounding record now, so I'm excited.
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Random thoughts about the new album... DT had an instrumental coda on the self titled, and Beneath the Surface as an acoustic song to round off Dramatic. They never did however a mix of those two, a short sung song, along the lines of The Silent Man let's say, to round off the album in an even more minimalistic way than Beneath the Surface. It would be cool to have that.
Also, they are known for the bigass epic that closes the album, but they never really had a centerpiece, a monster song in the middle of the album. Sure, there is Lines in the Sand on FII and Voices on Awake, but they're basically one out of two epics, with the other at the end (almost, in case of Awake). They never really had the clear show stealer of the album in the middle, it could be interesting to have the longest and most acclaimed song of the record being, say, the 5th song out of 10 and outlasting by 4-5 minutes all the others.
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Really interesting thoughts. We will see how it plays out but you're right, that would definitely be uncharted territory for them.
Or to have the long epic piece at the very beginning, track one. That would be new I would think, (ITPOE is split so I'm excluding that) since they wanted to do that on Systematic Chaos but ended up not doing that.
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Random thoughts about the new album... DT had an instrumental coda on the self titled, and Beneath the Surface as an acoustic song to round off Dramatic. They never did however a mix of those two, a short sung song, along the lines of The Silent Man let's say, to round off the album in an even more minimalistic way than Beneath the Surface. It would be cool to have that.
You mean, like "Her Majesty" on Abbey Road?
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Random thoughts about the new album... DT had an instrumental coda on the self titled, and Beneath the Surface as an acoustic song to round off Dramatic. They never did however a mix of those two, a short sung song, along the lines of The Silent Man let's say, to round off the album in an even more minimalistic way than Beneath the Surface. It would be cool to have that.
Also, they are known for the bigass epic that closes the album, but they never really had a centerpiece, a monster song in the middle of the album. Sure, there is Lines in the Sand on FII and Voices on Awake, but they're basically one out of two epics, with the other at the end (almost, in case of Awake). They never really had the clear show stealer of the album in the middle, it could be interesting to have the longest and most acclaimed song of the record being, say, the 5th song out of 10 and outlasting by 4-5 minutes all the others.
I fully agree and I’d totally dig that!
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Random thoughts about the new album... DT had an instrumental coda on the self titled, and Beneath the Surface as an acoustic song to round off Dramatic. They never did however a mix of those two, a short sung song, along the lines of The Silent Man let's say, to round off the album in an even more minimalistic way than Beneath the Surface. It would be cool to have that.
You mean, like "Her Majesty" on Abbey Road?
Well, strictly speaking, Her Majesty should've been sequenced between Mean Mr. Mustard and Polythene Pam - and if you do rearrange the tracks you'll see it fit right in (just remove the silence.
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True. That sudden chord at the beginning of Her Majesty is the last chord from Mean Mr. Mustard.
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They never really had the clear show stealer of the album in the middle, it could be interesting to have the longest and most acclaimed song of the record being, say, the 5th song out of 10 and outlasting by 4-5 minutes all the others.
Like Haken's The Architect.. Yeah, that'd be cool... Also, maybe a 15, 17, 18, 20 or 21 minutes piece, which they haven't done yet..
My demands are very specific..
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They never really had the clear show stealer of the album in the middle, it could be interesting to have the longest and most acclaimed song of the record being, say, the 5th song out of 10 and outlasting by 4-5 minutes all the others.
Images and Words would like a word with you. While LTL is longer, "Metropolis Part 1" has always been more of a centerpiece song.
Also, "Home" is pretty well smack in the middle of SFAM.
Speaking of the sound, a lot of people rant that it's Chycki's fault that last two albums didn't sound good. But I think it's not. Listen to "Into The Great Divide". Mangini's drums sound phenomenal! And guess what? It was produced by Rich. I'm afraid someone else is pulling the strings on the drum sound...
And then there are the folks who don't agree that the "last two albums didn't sound good."
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And then there are the folks who don't agree that the "last two albums didn't sound good."
Yeah, that's a great point, actually. The sound on DT12 was a bit odd in a few places, but wasn't bad by any stretch. And the other two sounded great. The only beef I can see is that the drums were a bit low in the mix and not as "punchy," especially compared with how Portnoy's drums were typically done. This resulted in, among other things, a lot of Mangini's cymbal work being buried or lost. But otherwise, I have no problem with the sound on any of the Mangini-era albums whatsoever.
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And then there are the folks who don't agree that the "last two albums didn't sound good."
Yeah, that's a great point, actually. The sound on DT12 was a bit odd in a few places, but wasn't bad by any stretch. And the other two sounded great. The only beef I can see is that the drums were a bit low in the mix and not as "punchy," especially compared with how Portnoy's drums were typically done. This resulted in, among other things, a lot of Mangini's cymbal work being buried or lost. But otherwise, I have no problem with the sound on any of the Mangini-era albums whatsoever.
me neither, although in hindsight I'd better bought the Hi-Res versions of Dramatic Turn and DT12, I always bought the CD versions (I might at some point though)
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Well, strictly speaking, Her Majesty should've been sequenced between Mean Mr. Mustard and Polythene Pam - and if you do rearrange the tracks you'll see it fit right in (just remove the silence.
Yeah, I've read about that. On the plus side, they invented (or at least made popular) the bonus track!
God, I love "Mean Mr. Mustard"!
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happy accident even that - they didn't mean to. it was the studio tech that forgot to remove the tape with the cut song, and it was there on the master ready for cutting that the band approved.
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There are couple of versions of the story, which don't necessarily contradict each other.
What I read was that the tech had standing orders from Paul to never throw anything away. But at some point, they decided to cut "Your Majesty" and go right from "Mean Mr. Mustard" into "Polythene Pam". So the tech cut it out, but saved the chunk of master tape, per Paul's orders. He was going to ask later what he should do with it, but never got a chance before The Beatles decided the album was done and they all left. So he stuck it onto the end of the tape.
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They never really had the clear show stealer of the album in the middle, it could be interesting to have the longest and most acclaimed song of the record being, say, the 5th song out of 10 and outlasting by 4-5 minutes all the others.
Images and Words would like a word with you. While LTL is longer, "Metropolis Part 1" has always been more of a centerpiece song.
Personally, I've never really felt that Metropolis was a centerpiece song, but maybe because I don't like it as much as most other fans.
But what is interesting to note, is that it was never intended to be in the middle of the album in the first place - it was supposed to open the album, and PMU was supposed to be in between Surrounded and UaGM. It was only due to label pressure that it ended up being moved to the spot it's in.
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That's new info for me! So tracklist should have been:
Metropolis
Another Day
Take the Time
Surrounded
PMU
UAGM
WFS
LTL
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Exactly like that. I wanted to write it but Scotty saved me the trouble :D (I learned it from him anyway when he posted it a while back)
If you think about it, it actually made sense for them to have the show opener as the disc opener.
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But what is interesting to note, is that it was never intended to be in the middle of the album in the first place - it was supposed to open the album, and PMU was supposed to be in between Surrounded and UaGM. It was only due to label pressure that it ended up being moved to the spot it's in.
Just when I thought I knew everything there was to know about that album!
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But what is interesting to note, is that it was never intended to be in the middle of the album in the first place - it was supposed to open the album, and PMU was supposed to be in between Surrounded and UaGM. It was only due to label pressure that it ended up being moved to the spot it's in.
Just when I thought I knew everything there was to know about that album!
Did you know that the other thing the label also wanted DT to do was to give the album a self-titled name (in other words, album #2 would be known as "Dream Theater")? So with both of those changes that the label wanted and the band did not, a deal was struck: they'd swap Metropolis and PMU in the tracklisting, but leave the album with the name the band wanted: Images and Words.
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Didn't know that either! they made the right choice out of the two.
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Speaking of the sound, a lot of people rant that it's Chycki's fault that last two albums didn't sound good. But I think it's not. Listen to "Into The Great Divide". Mangini's drums sound phenomenal! And guess what? It was produced by Rich. I'm afraid someone else is pulling the strings on the drum sound...
Rich Chycki has already done four works that had very good-sounding Mangini drums. James Labrie's Elements of Persuasion, Dream Theater's Breaking The Fourth Wall and the unreleased Back To Budokan live vid, and Into The Great Divide.
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Speaking of the sound, a lot of people rant that it's Chycki's fault that last two albums didn't sound good. But I think it's not. Listen to "Into The Great Divide". Mangini's drums sound phenomenal! And guess what? It was produced by Rich. I'm afraid someone else is pulling the strings on the drum sound...
Rich Chycki has already done four works that had very good-sounding Mangini drums. James Labrie's Elements of Persuasion, Dream Theater's Breaking The Fourth Wall and the unreleased Back To Budokan live vid, and Into The Great Divide.
Agreed, to some extent at least. I'm not the biggest fan of BTFW overall sound, but i.e. Back to Budokan sounds great (well, apart from some horrible vocal tuning). Isn't it strange that when Chycki does some DT work with less input from JP (Budokan 2017), the release somehow sounds better? I love him and I'm being sarcastic, but my point is JP should pass some of the producing work and mix decisions to somebody else if it was indeed his job. That said, I hope for a great sound now that they have James Meslin onboard. His work sounds really good!
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They never really had the clear show stealer of the album in the middle, it could be interesting to have the longest and most acclaimed song of the record being, say, the 5th song out of 10 and outlasting by 4-5 minutes all the others.
Images and Words would like a word with you. While LTL is longer, "Metropolis Part 1" has always been more of a centerpiece song.
Personally, I've never really felt that Metropolis was a centerpiece song, but maybe because I don't like it as much as most other fans.
But what is interesting to note, is that it was never intended to be in the middle of the album in the first place - it was supposed to open the album, and PMU was supposed to be in between Surrounded and UaGM. It was only due to label pressure that it ended up being moved to the spot it's in.
Wow; I just realised what an amazing opening track Metropolis would have been!!! :omg:
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Back to Budokan sounds great (well, apart from some horrible vocal tuning)
People keep saying that - but there exists a audience sourced IEM matrix bootleg you can compare with, and if you overlay it, it's actually 95% identical. There are some sections where they've replaced what James sings with a better vocal take from another show (the benefit of recording every show with protools), and a few pitch corrections here and there, but for the most part its actually not corrected.
But there's a production mishap with recording that caused the vocals to have a phasing effect. People think "oh, there's something strange with James voice, it must be auto-tune", but it's actually a recording effect. It doesnt change the pitch at all - it adds a chorus-y, flanger-y effect on the vocal due to the way the vocals were recorded.
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Thanks for confirming. I was about to ask someone who knows. (like you)
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Thanks for confirming. I was about to ask someone who knows. (like you)
Totally left field but now I imagined Adele providing the refrain for people needing proper information:
"Nevermind I'll ask someone who knows...." :lol
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Oh dear me :D
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Rich Chycki has already done four works that had very good-sounding Mangini drums. James Labrie's Elements of Persuasion, Dream Theater's Breaking The Fourth Wall and the unreleased Back To Budokan live vid, and Into The Great Divide.
I knew about the label propositions about Met being frist track and to self-titled the album (probably read it in Lifting Shadows), but never before heard the name "Back to Budokan" :huh:... Now that I checked, the name was actually known late last year.. IIRC no one in the thread about that dvd ever mentioned it.. Weird..
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But what is interesting to note, is that it was never intended to be in the middle of the album in the first place - it was supposed to open the album, and PMU was supposed to be in between Surrounded and UaGM. It was only due to label pressure that it ended up being moved to the spot it's in.
Just when I thought I knew everything there was to know about that album!
Did you know that the other thing the label also wanted DT to do was to give the album a self-titled name (in other words, album #2 would be known as "Dream Theater")? So with both of those changes that the label wanted and the band did not, a deal was struck: they'd swap Metropolis and PMU in the tracklisting, but leave the album with the name the band wanted: Images and Words.
I want to say that I knew that one. The PMU/Metropolis thing makes sense given that PMU was (one of) the last song written for the album and everything else had been part of their repertoire for a while.
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never before heard the name "Back to Budokan" :huh:... Now that I checked, the name was actually known late last year.. IIRC no one in the thread about that dvd ever mentioned it.. Weird..
Not sure where the title came from exactly, but I would imagine it was either the title of one of the early bootlegs of the broadcast, or it was something that the fans came up with and stuck.
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never before heard the name "Back to Budokan" :huh:... Now that I checked, the name was actually known late last year.. IIRC no one in the thread about that dvd ever mentioned it.. Weird..
Not sure where the title came from exactly, but I would imagine it was either the title of one of the early bootlegs of the broadcast, or it was something that the fans came up with and stuck.
It was the name of the bootleg that was circulating online at first. It became more popular after Chycki shared a picture of it and I guess it stuck.
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They took it from a Mr Big DVD of the same name (A good DVD, if I may say :coolio )
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Isn't that what JP has always said? WWMBD
(what would Mr. Big do)
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People keep saying that - but there exists a audience sourced IEM matrix bootleg you can compare with, and if you overlay it, it's actually 95% identical. There are some sections where they've replaced what James sings with a better vocal take from another show (the benefit of recording every show with protools), and a few pitch corrections here and there, but for the most part its actually not corrected.
But there's a production mishap with recording that caused the vocals to have a phasing effect. People think "oh, there's something strange with James voice, it must be auto-tune", but it's actually a recording effect. It doesnt change the pitch at all - it adds a chorus-y, flanger-y effect on the vocal due to the way the vocals were recorded.
Recording effect? What kind of effect? What way of recording? With a chorus on the way in? Sorry Noxon, but you are far from being objective here. JLB doesn't sing like this and didn't sound that spot on last year. Yes, I've heard bootlegs. And yes, I've been to a gig on that tour. It is corrected far more than just "here and there". Every live release starting from Score is. Even if there's a production mishap on this recording - well, modulation effects or let's call them phase issues, because that's what it is, may cover pitch problems. Anyone saying James was good on that tour is either non-objective or has very little idea about what a great performance is. I also wish he maintained the power and sound he had. But why was he one of the greatest live performers and now he's not - that's a subject for voice teachers.
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Dude, I'm saying you can DIRECTLY COMPARE the show with a bootleg recording that is sourced from In-Ear Monitor mix. You can hear EXACTLY what James sounded like on THAT VERY SHOW.
You can OVERLAY it with the TV-recording. And hear the difference. I have. For most of the recording in fact, due to this very issue being discussed a lot.
His pitch is 95% the same in the overlay. And modulation effects do not occur from pitch correction software - that's simply not how it works.
Here's one example: https://dtnorway.com/acos.mp3. Here you can hear an example of where they replaced a section with another shows performance, and some pitch correction. And this is at the very end of the show, where his voice is the most worn out. And yet - almost the entire clip is identical in the left ear vs the right ear (monomixes of the dvd vs the bootleg).
Or : https://www.dtnorway.com/ttt.mp3 or https://www.dtnorway.com/asiam.mp3 or https://dtnorway.com/tden.mp3. Notice that the chorus effect is most apparent on the latter two, where they use effects live to fatten the vocals... But the pitch is still the same.
So yeah, objective.
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Dude, I'm saying you can DIRECTLY COMPARE the show with a bootleg recording that is sourced from In-Ear Monitor mix. You can hear EXACTLY what James sounded like on THAT VERY SHOW.
You can OVERLAY it with the TV-recording. And hear the difference. I have. For most of the recording in fact, due to this very issue being discussed a lot.
His pitch is 95% the same in the overlay. And modulation effects do not occur from pitch correction software - that's simply not how it works.
Here's one example: https://dtnorway.com/acos.mp3. Here you can hear an example of where they replaced a section with another shows performance, and some pitch correction. And this is at the very end of the show, where his voice is the most worn out. And yet - almost the entire clip is identical in the left ear vs the right ear (monomixes of the dvd vs the bootleg).
Or : https://www.dtnorway.com/ttt.mp3 or https://www.dtnorway.com/asiam.mp3 or https://dtnorway.com/tden.mp3. Notice that the chorus effect is most apparent on the latter two, where they use effects live to fatten the vocals... But the pitch is still the same.
So yeah, objective.
Again thank you for pointing it all out and for being so exact and neutral about it.
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People keep saying that - but there exists a audience sourced IEM matrix bootleg you can compare with, and if you overlay it, it's actually 95% identical. There are some sections where they've replaced what James sings with a better vocal take from another show (the benefit of recording every show with protools), and a few pitch corrections here and there, but for the most part its actually not corrected.
But there's a production mishap with recording that caused the vocals to have a phasing effect. People think "oh, there's something strange with James voice, it must be auto-tune", but it's actually a recording effect. It doesnt change the pitch at all - it adds a chorus-y, flanger-y effect on the vocal due to the way the vocals were recorded.
Recording effect? What kind of effect? What way of recording? With a chorus on the way in? Sorry Noxon, but you are far from being objective here. JLB doesn't sing like this and didn't sound that spot on last year. Yes, I've heard bootlegs. And yes, I've been to a gig on that tour. It is corrected far more than just "here and there". Every live release starting from Score is. Even if there's a production mishap on this recording - well, modulation effects or let's call them phase issues, because that's what it is, may cover pitch problems. Anyone saying James was good on that tour is either non-objective or has very little idea about what a great performance is. I also wish he maintained the power and sound he had. But why was he one of the greatest live performers and now he's not - that's a subject for voice teachers.
Wow, so anyone who disagrees with you is either biased or doesn’t know what they’re talking about? Guess I must be a complete moron then because he was superb at the show I saw.
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No, that's not what I meant. It's not about agreeing or disagreeing or whatever. It's about some of DT fans not willing to accept the fact that JLB's live performances are far from perfect. Guys, listen to him from the mid-90s or LSFNY (or even slightly-corrected Score) and then to last years performances. I mean, come on.
His pitch is 95% the same in the overlay. And modulation effects do not occur from pitch correction software - that's simply not how it works.
Good job on those overlays, Noxon! Regarding the pitch being the same 95% of the time - well, let me say I can hear more than 5% of problematic spots. But it's not only about the pitch. It's also the tone, rhythm, control, enunciation. If these are all right, slight correction won't destroy the release i.e. Score.
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No, that's not what I meant. It's not about agreeing or disagreeing or whatever. It's about some of DT fans not willing to accept the fact that JLB's live performances are far from perfect. Guys, listen to him from the mid-90s or LSFNY (or even slightly-corrected Score) and then to last years performances. I mean, come on.
Is someone even claiming that LaBrie's voice is perfect nowadays?..
I think no one is saying that, and no one would think that if we want to explain a little better the labels that we're using.. I mean, what's "perfect" after all?.. What's "good" or "bad"?.. What's "spot on"??... Are we suddenly a jury that needs to judge the singer performances and robotically compare them with previous years?... Aren't we just fans of this band?..
And by this I don't mean at all that we cannot or should not dislike something about them (and even less about something that hasn't to do with the studio albums, which is the main way through which you like a band)... I mean that each one has an opinion, and the motive could be anything.. You may like a voice for not sounding so faithful to the original, or dislike it only for that very thing too; you may like or dislike a singer because he just try to do exactly what he does in the album, or if he adds extra melodies, etc.. Also, live performances are very special.. You're looking at the guy, and that changes a lot.. Who actually cares if he doesn't hit all the notes? (which are probably one of the hardest in music history!)..
Moreover, I have read/heard a lot of positive reactions to James' performances in the last five or six years, and they were mostly coming from people that knows a lot about music and have very good musical ear.. If you don't like his voice nowadays, that's fine, but do not think we don't have the right to feel different about it..
Personally speaking, actually, I still prefer his current voice (and this is the case since 2005) than his 90's voice.. But I know that's not a popular opinion, and I accept that.. It is how it is..
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No, that's not what I meant. It's not about agreeing or disagreeing or whatever. It's about some of DT fans not willing to accept the fact that JLB's live performances are far from perfect. Guys, listen to him from the mid-90s or LSFNY (or even slightly-corrected Score) and then to last years performances. I mean, come on.
His pitch is 95% the same in the overlay. And modulation effects do not occur from pitch correction software - that's simply not how it works.
Good job on those overlays, Noxon! Regarding the pitch being the same 95% of the time - well, let me say I can hear more than 5% of problematic spots. But it's not only about the pitch. It's also the tone, rhythm, control, enunciation. If these are all right, slight correction won't destroy the release i.e. Score.
You guys are not talking about the same thing. I don't think noxon has ever claimed that JLB sounded good in the Budokan (non)release. noxon was contesting the claim that there was horrible pitch correction done by Chycki for the unreleased video.
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I'm not sure if this is news, but I was lucky enough to talk to Jordan at the Al Di Meola show last weekend, and he said that there wasn't going to be an instrumental on the new album and that it was going to be much heavier (which we've heard a lot about).
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I'm not sure if this is news, but I was lucky enough to talk to Jordan at the Al Di Meola show last weekend, and he said that there wasn't going to be an instrumental on the new album and that it was going to be much heavier (which we've heard a lot about).
No instrumental : now, that's new news.
B.Lee
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Moar stuff for James to sing :metal
Hey, if there isn't an instrumental on the new album, maybe they'll bring back an older one in the tour.
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I'm not sure if this is news, but I was lucky enough to talk to Jordan at the Al Di Meola show last weekend, and he said that there wasn't going to be an instrumental on the new album and that it was going to be much heavier (which we've heard a lot about).
No instrumental : now, that's new news.
B.Lee
That news is disappointing to me, but considering their last instrumental it's probably just as well. I don't feel like EM was up to the same high bar they set with their other ones. Still good overall though.
Honestly, having a heavier album was what I was hoping for most. Very excited to hear it :tup
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I'm not sure if this is news, but I was lucky enough to talk to Jordan at the Al Di Meola show last weekend, and he said that there wasn't going to be an instrumental on the new album and that it was going to be much heavier (which we've heard a lot about).
No instrumental : now, that's new news.
B.Lee
That news is disappointing to me, but considering their last instrumental it's probably just as well. I don't feel like EM was up to the same high bar they set with their other ones. Still good overall though.
Dystopian Overture?
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Heavy focus is nice but I also hope for cool song structures and nice grooves. That has been kinda missing since Portnoy left imo. It's gonna be interesting to see what it all comes down to and even if TA was a bit to mellow for me it had some huge improvements song composition wise over the bigger parts of the ADTOE and DT albums.
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I'm not sure if this is news, but I was lucky enough to talk to Jordan at the Al Di Meola show last weekend, and he said that there wasn't going to be an instrumental on the new album and that it was going to be much heavier (which we've heard a lot about).
No instrumental : now, that's new news.
B.Lee
That news is disappointing to me, but considering their last instrumental it's probably just as well. I don't feel like EM was up to the same high bar they set with their other ones. Still good overall though.
Dystopian Overture?
That one is great but not a "traditional instrumental" if that makes sense. It has themes to other songs and serves as a introduction to the whole album and doesn't just stand on it's own.
I'm comparing to Stream of Consciousness or Erotomania. Those are "complete" songs by themselves with a good flow and a lead that servers as a subsitutue to vocals. I like an instrumental that isn't just a regular song with the lyrics removed.
To me EM seemed like a regular song that they just didn't add lyrics to. Again, good song, just not the same.
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Heavy focus is nice but I also hope for cool song structures and nice grooves. That has been kinda missing since Portnoy left imo. It's gonna be interesting to see what it all comes down to and even if TA was a bit to mellow for me it had some huge improvements song composition wise over the bigger parts of the ADTOE and DT albums.
The groove aspect was there on DT12 IMHO (or more specifically: the grooves and the interplay between Mike and JM, really lovely). I'm not against continuing that though. Not at all.
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I won't miss an instrumental that much if there's a long epic.
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I won't miss an instrumental that much if there's a long epic.
I generally don't miss instrumentals as I prefer a proper song instead.
B.Lee
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I like instrumental pieces, but ADTOE has none of them and it's one of their best albums, so the absence of one doesn't mean the album is bad.
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That one is great but not a "traditional instrumental" if that makes sense. It has themes to other songs and serves as a introduction to the whole album and doesn't just stand on it's own.
I'm comparing to Stream of Consciousness or Erotomania. Those are "complete" songs by themselves with a good flow and a lead that servers as a subsitutue to vocals. I like an instrumental that isn't just a regular song with the lyrics removed.
To me EM seemed like a regular song that they just didn't add lyrics to. Again, good song, just not the same.
I obviously know what you mean, but even those two instrumentals are not entirely standalone tracks... Along with TDoE, they do use (present and/or develop) other songs' main themes (The Silent Man, Vacant and several songs in Met pt 2 and Met pt 1 for the latter)...
But bummer for me.. I actually wrote in another thread the other day that an instrumental (maybe 7 minutes long and like some sort of redemption for the only "good" EM) would be nice to hear.. But yeah, whatever, hope the music is at least DT average; that alone would make for a great album...
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Now someone else please go to another Al Di Meola/Jordan Rudess concert to ask him if there’s a 20+ minute epic on the upcoming album! :lol
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Ikr :lol
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That one is great but not a "traditional instrumental" if that makes sense. It has themes to other songs and serves as a introduction to the whole album and doesn't just stand on it's own.
I'm comparing to Stream of Consciousness or Erotomania. Those are "complete" songs by themselves with a good flow and a lead that servers as a substitute to vocals. I like an instrumental that isn't just a regular song with the lyrics removed.
To me EM seemed like a regular song that they just didn't add lyrics to. Again, good song, just not the same.
I obviously know what you mean, but even those two instrumentals are not entirely standalone tracks... Along with TDoE, they do use (present and/or develop) other songs' main themes (The Silent Man, Vacant and several songs in Met pt 2 and Met pt 1 for the latter)...
I didn't mention TDoE because of it's clear ties, although I feel it could stand alone. As you mention the other two do have references, but I don't think they're so strong that they couldn't stand alone. It really boils down to just personal preference and anyone can certainly feel different.
Could I call Ytsejam a standalone instrumental track? ;D Now that I think about it, that one is probably the only one that doesn't have any ties.
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Maybe this should go in the “controversial thoughts about DT” thread but I’m not a huge fan of their instrumental tracks as a whole. There is the odd exception but, for example, I find Stream Of Consciousness way too long and repetitive, it’s fairly dull to me. Not a huge fan of Erotomania, Enigma Machine, The Dance Of Eternity or YTSE Jam. Weirdly though, I absolutely love Liquid Tension Experiment so I know they are capable of instrumental excellence, just weirdly not into a lot of the DT ones.
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But half of each LTE album is unlistenable. So I guess you could say that they are inconsistent.
Personally, I love Ytse Jam and TDOE. Erotomania too. But I am totally with you on SOC, and I'm not a huge fan of Enigma Machine.
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But half of each LTE album is unlistenable. So I guess you could say that they are inconsistent.
You, sir, are drunk.
Both LTE albums rule from start to finish.
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I'm with TAC on this one. I just can't get into it. The only song I listen to is When The Water Breaks and even that one I skip through to get to the parts I like.
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I'm with TAC on this one. I just can't get into it. The only song I listen to is When The Water Breaks and even that one I skip through to get to the parts I like.
I think the first LTE is great from start to finish, but I just couldn't get into the second. Don't know why.
B.Lee
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The first LTE started great, but really dropped after Kindered Spirits. Freedom of Speech is ok, but I just find the rest boring.
I never listened to the second... :/
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The first LTE started great, but really dropped after Kindered Spirits. Freedom of Speech is ok, but I just find the rest boring.
I never listened to the second... :/
Well, I find the second one to be too repetitive for my taste. For me, this kind of project is good just once. As for DT instrumentals, except SoC or EM that I don't like much, I find them interesting. It's simply that I'm not as into instrumental music as I once was so it may explain my preferring proper songs. And btw, DT songs already have enough space for instruments to shine, I don't feel they need to do instrumentals. But that is just my opinion.
B.Lee
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I'm also totally fine with no instrumental on the album. Enigma Machine was kewl, especially live, but I didn't miss an instrumental track on Dramatic Turn either.
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I agree that both LTE albums are a little inconsistent but only in terms of it seeming like some tracks are like improv jams and some proper structured songs. I think, on both albums, the songs that are clearly fully composed tracks are pretty much all uniformly excellent. I mean stuff like Acid Rain, Universal Mind, Paradigm Shift etc. I consider When The Water Breaks to be one of the best instrumental tracks ever made.
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If I had to rank the LTE albums along with DT albums, both would be in my top 5 along with Awake, Scenes and I&W; that is how much I love both albums.
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If I had to rank the LTE albums along with DT albums, both would be in my top 5 along with Awake, Scenes and I&W; that is how much I love both albums.
OK, but what do you know?!?
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Could I call Ytsejam a standalone instrumental track? ;D Now that I think about it, that one is probably the only one that doesn't have any ties.
Well, if by "ties" you mean not only when the instrumentals have musical references from other songs but also when they flow to or from another song (like Hell's Kitchen, otherwise there wouldn't be a reason to exclude it since it doesn't have themes from another songs) then The Ytse Jam would fall into that description too, since it actually "starts" at the end of Status Seeker, or at least that's what I always thought..
But well, yeah, I think this kind of things might be different for everyone..
And yes, I also think LTE's albums would also be among my DT album's top 5...
And yes, it seems that we're not getting any news from the new album... :lol
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Well, the hunt will either end this coming week or the week after that. Anyway, once it ends, we will know the album title I'm sure. That would be some kind of news I think.
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Well, the hunt will either end this coming week or the week after that. Anyway, once it ends, we will know the album title I'm sure. That would be some kind of news I think.
You bet!
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Well, the hunt will either end this coming week or the week after that. Anyway, once it ends, we will know the album title I'm sure. That would be some kind of news I think.
You bet!
Hoping for the album cover as well :hefdaddy
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Well, the hunt will either end this coming week or the week after that. Anyway, once it ends, we will know the album title I'm sure. That would be some kind of news I think.
You bet!
Hoping for the album cover as well :hefdaddy
Yes that would make sense.
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Well, the hunt will either end this coming week or the week after that. Anyway, once it ends, we will know the album title I'm sure. That would be some kind of news I think.
You bet!
Hoping for the album cover as well :hefdaddy
Yes that would make sense.
And heck, if it includes the tracklist already, even better!
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Is it too early to expect the album art too?
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Is it too early to expect the album art too?
You, greedy boy!!! :biggrin:
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Last "regular" time (skipping the way The Astonishing, for its peculiar nature, was promoted), we got the album title first, so I would assume that we'd get that as well. Then cover art and tracklist together maybe.
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I think The Astonishing also got its title leaked first. I remember because we had a thread debating if it was really gonna be the album title. :lol
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I think The Astonishing also got its title leaked first. I remember because we had a thread debating if it was really gonna be the album title. :lol
Yeah, the first tour date was announced and it was billed as "Dream Theater presents The Astonishing". And they had to rush a press release to confirm it. This time around hopefully they'l coordinate better with the promoters, and the new tour won't have the name of the album anyway (even though they usually come up with something similar, such as Dramatic Tour or stuff like that).
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I think The Astonishing also got its title leaked first. I remember because we had a thread debating if it was really gonna be the album title. :lol
Yeah, the first tour date was announced and it was billed as "Dream Theater presents The Astonishing". And they had to rush a press release to confirm it. This time around hopefully they'l coordinate better with the promoters, and the new tour won't have the name of the album anyway (even though they usually come up with something similar, such as Dramatic Tour or stuff like that).
I bet if Portnoy had been in the band for DT12, the supporting tour would have been called Dream TheaTour :lol
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I think The Astonishing also got its title leaked first. I remember because we had a thread debating if it was really gonna be the album title. :lol
Yeah, the first tour date was announced and it was billed as "Dream Theater presents The Astonishing". And they had to rush a press release to confirm it. This time around hopefully they'l coordinate better with the promoters, and the new tour won't have the name of the album anyway (even though they usually come up with something similar, such as Dramatic Tour or stuff like that).
I bet if Portnoy had been in the band for DT12, the supporting tour would have been called Dream TheaTour :lol
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this is not related to DT14 (or it may be in some way), but here's a relatively new interview with James. He talks about DT's version of Xanadu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnjtnv7Aah8
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I think The Astonishing also got its title leaked first. I remember because we had a thread debating if it was really gonna be the album title. :lol
Yeah, the first tour date was announced and it was billed as "Dream Theater presents The Astonishing". And they had to rush a press release to confirm it. This time around hopefully they'l coordinate better with the promoters, and the new tour won't have the name of the album anyway (even though they usually come up with something similar, such as Dramatic Tour or stuff like that).
I bet if Portnoy had been in the band for DT12, the supporting tour would have been called Dream TheaTour :lol
:rollin
"Dream Theater presents The Atourishing live"
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this is not related to DT14 (or it may be in some way), but here's a relatively new interview with James. He talks about DT's version of Xanadu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnjtnv7Aah8
That's a great interview.
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Album title within 3 weeks and the new single at the end of November is possible? 🤔
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Album title within 3 weeks and the new single at the end of November is possible? 🤔
Well, depending on how the hunt's end will play out, we may have the album title either this week or next week.
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Album title within 3 weeks and the new single at the end of November is possible? 🤔
Well, depending on how the hunt's end will play out, we may have the album title either this week or next week.
Wow!!! maybe already this week?!?😲
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Album title within 3 weeks and the new single at the end of November is possible? 🤔
Well, depending on how the hunt's end will play out, we may have the album title either this week or next week.
Wow!!! maybe already this week?!?😲
In the abstract, virtually anything is possible. How likely any of this is is nothing but rank speculation.
If you're not familiar, Max made reference to the "treasure hunt" that is the subject of a separate thread. There is speculation that, at the end of the "treasure hunt" (which may or may not happen by the end of this week), we will learn the name of the new album. However, none of us here (with the exception of the admin of these boards) knows for sure what the "treasure hunt" will reveal.
If I'm not mistaken, the only things we know with any degree of certainty are the following:
1. No instrumental on the new album.
2. The new album will feature lyrical contributions from every member except JR.
3. The last official announcement was that the album will be released in January or February 2019.
I believe everything else is largely baseless speculation -- which is happening with increasing frequency, which is understandable given the relative dearth of official news over the last month or so.
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Thanks pg1067 👍
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However, none of us here (with the exception of the admin of these boards) knows for sure what the "treasure hunt" will reveal.
Nope, I don't know either. I could find out. But I made the choice at the outset of the treasure hunt not to. I'm just sitting back and enjoying watching it unfold.
If I'm not mistaken, the only things we know with any degree of certainty are the following:
1. No instrumental on the new album.
2. The new album will feature lyrical contributions from every member except JR.
3. The last official announcement was that the album will be released in January or February 2019
Correct. That much I do know. (well, I didn't know item #1 until what was posted earlier today, but still)
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1. No instrumental on the new album.
Sweet. No band with as many instrumental sections in their other songs music needs a dedicated instrumental track.
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Anyway, I love this moment. The calm before the storm. We're here blissfully unaware of most everything about the new album, and anyday now we could get important news. The band / the management must have already decided the schedule for a new single, unveiling the news etc etc and we don't know anything about it, but someone already knows that in just a week (an example of course) they'll drop the news bomb on us.
It's a cool period, to be apparently without news, but with huge news about to come anytime now.
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Anyway, I love this moment. The calm before the storm. We're here blissfully unaware of most everything about the new album, and anyday now we could get important news. The band / the management must have already decided the schedule for a new single, unveiling the news etc etc and we don't know anything about it, but someone already knows that in just a week (an example of course) they'll drop the news bomb on us.
It's a cool period, to be apparently without news, but with huge news about to come anytime now.
Yep, the wait is almost as exciting as the news itself.
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1. No instrumental on the new album.
Sweet. No band with as many instrumental sections in their other songs music needs a dedicated instrumental track.
This. DT are known for their break sections, so they have plenty of chances to cut loose within the songs.
However, I'm not opposed to them putting a instrumental track if it's really something unique. :coolio
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How many songs? 8?
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Judging by a facebook post from a few months ago, there are at least 8 songs.
It was a picture of the big notepad with "Song 8" written on top.
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Yeah there was that, but: that picture you're referencing was taken during the writing phase. We don't know if all the pieces they've written will end up on DT14. There is always a possibility of offcuts.
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Yes, but when they write for a "song # __" it almost always ends up being a song for the upcoming album, even if pieces here and there do not. If they had "song 8" written on a notepad, it is a safe bet that there are probably at least 8 songs on the album.
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I stand corrected. Very sorry.
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No worries. That's what I'm here for.
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Great..... so you are our correction officer ;)
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Great..... so you are our correction officer ;)
Rather a friendly one though.
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Great..... so you are our correction officer ;)
Rather a friendly one though.
Yes, there are far worse people than our Bosky!
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Good! So probably 8 songs 😁 I hope 3-4 over 10 minutes
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My bet is 8-10 songs. I’ll be surprised if there are more than 10.
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My bet is 8-10 songs. I’ll be surprised if there are more than 10.
I'll be pleasantly surprised if there are more than 10. I hope for 10 but of course quality over quantity.
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Good! So probably 8 songs 😁 I hope 3-4 over 10 minutes
Me too!!
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My bet is 8-10 songs. I’ll be surprised if there are more than 10.
I'll be pleasantly surprised if there are more than 10. I hope for 10 but of course quality over quantity.
I'm guessing around 70 minutes? No matter how many tracks.
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My bet is 8-10 songs. I’ll be surprised if there are more than 10.
I'll be pleasantly surprised if there are more than 10. I hope for 10 but of course quality over quantity.
I'm guessing around 70 minutes? No matter how many tracks.
Last 5 albums (excluding TA and according to Wikipedia):
DT12: 68:01
ADTOE: 77:01
BC&SL: 75:25
SC: 78:41
8VA: 75:44
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Since this is supposed to be a heavier album, I wonder if one of the tracks will be considered DT's heaviest song. Of course, it's all speculation at this point xD
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Since this is supposed to be a heavier album, I wonder if one of the tracks will be considered DT's heaviest song. Of course, it's all speculation at this point xD
It would have to top ANTR which hold the record IMO
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Since this is supposed to be a heavier album, I wonder if one of the tracks will be considered DT's heaviest song. Of course, it's all speculation at this point xD
It would have to top ANTR which hold the record IMO
Yeah, it would quite the feat! :metal
The Dark Eternal Night is also worth mentioning.
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Hope whatever it is turns out way better than either of those songs. At least I could 100% guarantee the vocal melodies would be much better.
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I love those two songs, so if there's similar stuff, I'll love it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Hope whatever it is turns out way better than either of those songs. At least I could 100% guarantee the vocal melodies would be much better.
Well some of the things ruining those songs for me came from MPs ideaa so I have hope that they will be better.
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That was my implication. :)
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It's not automatically so, but if JP ended up utilizing his 8-string there's a possibility of unheard-of heaviness.
This is actually the first DT release I'm excited for since 6DoIT which, back then, turned out to be a disappointment. I lost much of my love for the band in the years following that and stopped attending shows after being bored out of my skull at an 8vm show. I did check back in on the boys whenever they released an album or a DVD, but it always felt like a guilty pleasure at best rather than something I could wholeheartedly cherish anymore. Surprisingly enough The Astonishing finally provided a breath of fresh air that brought me back into the fold and I really hope that DT14 carries on in a similarly inspired and focused streak.
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Since this is supposed to be a heavier album, I wonder if one of the tracks will be considered DT's heaviest song. Of course, it's all speculation at this point xD
When they say the album is going to be heavier, I’m assuming that they just mean that it is heavier than the last one (which wouldn’t be too hard!). I’m not expecting this to be a super heavy Train Of Thought style album but maybe I’m wrong.
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I'm at a point now where I'll gratefully accept everything they do. (Mike M is one reason but also their general attitude post-Portnoy) I'm sure I'll love it. Bring it on.
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I would like them to have more obscure song structures. TA had a lot of those and I absolutely loved it. I hope no more than 50% of the new album has the 'verse-chorus-verse-interlude-solo-chorus' kind of song structure.
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Since this is supposed to be a heavier album, I wonder if one of the tracks will be considered DT's heaviest song. Of course, it's all speculation at this point xD
I think and I hope there will not be very heavy songs. They just said it will be harder than TA
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I would like them to have more obscure song structures. TA had a lot of those and I absolutely loved it. I hope no more than 50% of the new album has the 'verse-chorus-verse-interlude-solo-chorus' kind of song structure.
yeah that was a good thing about TA
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I wonder who has written the vocal melodies for MM's lyrics, maybe James? Really curious to see how Mike's lyrics are, as he is a very intellectual person.
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I know nothing about MM's past, but has he written lyrics before his time in DT?
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No.
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Surprisingly enough The Astonishing finally provided a breath of fresh air that brought me back into the fold and I really hope that DT14 carries on in a similarly inspired and focused streak.
Good to hear.... I love TA but there are a lot of naysayers about.
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I would like them to have more obscure song structures. TA had a lot of those and I absolutely loved it. I hope no more than 50% of the new album has the 'verse-chorus-verse-interlude-solo-chorus' kind of song structure.
I absolutely agree! I even asked Jordan that, when Noxon collected questions here on the forum. He went more into detail of the thought process behind composing The Astonishing, and why the songs were made that way, he didn't really answer in a "yes/no" straight way wether they'd feel inspired to keep the weird songs structures approach, but I hope they've kept some of that mentality for DT14.
They should write, example, a full 2-minutes song whenever they feel like doing it, not just because the plot of an album demands it.
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My bet is 8-10 songs. I’ll be surprised if there are more than 10.
I'll be pleasantly surprised if there are more than 10. I hope for 10 but of course quality over quantity.
I'm guessing around 70 minutes? No matter how many tracks.
I would be fine with a 55-60 minute album to be honest with no filler moments.
Last 5 albums (excluding TA and according to Wikipedia):
DT12: 68:01
ADTOE: 77:01
BC&SL: 75:25
SC: 78:41
8VA: 75:44
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I would like them to have more obscure song structures. TA had a lot of those and I absolutely loved it. I hope no more than 50% of the new album has the 'verse-chorus-verse-interlude-solo-chorus' kind of song structure.
yeah that was a good thing about TA
Loved that, too. It really kept the flow of The Astonishing going!
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Since this is supposed to be a heavier album, I wonder if one of the tracks will be considered DT's heaviest song. Of course, it's all speculation at this point xD
When they say the album is going to be heavier, I’m assuming that they just mean that it is heavier than the last one (which wouldn’t be too hard!). I’m not expecting this to be a super heavy Train Of Thought style album but maybe I’m wrong.
If the little samples we were given are any indication, I doubt it will be like ToT. At best, perhaps at the level of heaviness of SC, but even then, they've stated that they've been influenced by playing the whole IaW album on the last tour, so I would imagine it would be at the level of IaW or maybe Awake.
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I hope they've used more half-diminished chords! :metal :metal :metal
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I hope they've used more half-diminished chords! :metal :metal :metal
That would be lovely
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I hope they've used more half-diminished chords! :metal :metal :metal
What is a half-diminished chord?
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min7 5b
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min7 5b
Oh.... that was it, right ::)
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Couldn't that be a honest question?
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Couldn't that be a honest question?
I think the answer was just a bit odd. Like if the person doesn't know what a half-diminished chord is, I doubt they'll know what a mn7 5b chord is.
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Got it, thanks.
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min7 5b
Thanks for clearing that up!! :lol
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I don't have a honourable way out of this, do I? :lol
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I'm at a point now where I'll gratefully accept everything they do. (Mike M is one reason but also their general attitude post-Portnoy) I'm sure I'll love it. Bring it on.
This is how I feel since DT12.. Won't actually care if they do only one song I like.. There's so much music they've already done that's excellent... but, having said that, I think there's much more excellence to come..
I wonder who has written the vocal melodies for MM's lyrics, maybe James?
I would be surprise if any vocal melody at all not written by JP comes from anyone but JP himself and/or JR..
James might change some lines to adjust what's necessary/more comfortable for him, but I think every DT song's vocal melodies has been created by JP, the keyboardist on duty and (unfortunately :lol) MP..
But I could be wrong..
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James has come up with a lot of vocal melodies. But I cannot say how much he has worked on vocal melodies for JM lyrics. No idea there.
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Ok, then I was wrong..
Good to hear that he came up with vocal melodies, at least in lyrics penned by him.. Also, I assume these vocal melodies he created are all from the ballads (Anna Lee, Vacant and Far From Heaven)... I'd be really surprised hearing that, e.g., Blind Faith's vocal melodies have been composed by JLB..
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I wonder who has written the vocal melodies for MM's lyrics, maybe James?
I would be surprise if any vocal melody at all not written by JP comes from anyone but JP himself and/or JR..
James might change some lines to adjust what's necessary/more comfortable for him, but I think every DT song's vocal melodies has been created by JP, the keyboardist on duty and (unfortunately :lol) MP..
The rule that they always had was whoever wrote the lyrics was responsible for writing the vocal melodies. The only exception to that rule was JM, who had always submitted his lyrics in poem form and someone else had to help reformat them into lyric form. Presumably whoever assisted JM in doing so was the one who also wrote the vocal melodies. I'd imagine that it was likely JP who did so, but I could imagine MP doing it too.
As for who wrote the vocal melodies for MM's lyrics, unless the rules have changed, I would imagine it would be MM. Given that the man is working on his own solo album, it stands to reason he has a sense of melody and could come up with something on his own.
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I hope they've used more half-diminished chords! :metal :metal :metal
What is a half-diminished chord?
Indiscipline provided the technical answer. The non-technical answer is that it's a sort of evil/spooky sounding chord (the chord that is hit when the villain walks on screen), and I was making a cheeky reference to a discussion that occurs on the band commentary track on the LSFNY DVD. Jesus Jones doesn't use half-diminished chords, but Dream Theater does!
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I wonder who has written the vocal melodies for MM's lyrics, maybe James?
I would be surprise if any vocal melody at all not written by JP comes from anyone but JP himself and/or JR..
James might change some lines to adjust what's necessary/more comfortable for him, but I think every DT song's vocal melodies has been created by JP, the keyboardist on duty and (unfortunately :lol) MP..
The rule that they always had was whoever wrote the lyrics was responsible for writing the vocal melodies. The only exception to that rule was JM, who had always submitted his lyrics in poem form and someone else had to help reformat them into lyric form. Presumably whoever assisted JM in doing so was the one who also wrote the vocal melodies. I'd imagine that it was likely JP who did so, but I could imagine MP doing it too.
As for who wrote the vocal melodies for MM's lyrics, unless the rules have changed, I would imagine it would be MM. Given that the man is working on his own solo album, it stands to reason he has a sense of melody and could come up with something on his own.
Regarding the "rule," here's my two cents: From the way the band, and mainly Mike Portnoy, discussed it, it seemed like there was a bit of frustration on behalf of more than just MP over having to come up with a vocal melody and fit JM's lyrics into it, but that it was mainly MP's frustration. And it seemed like the "rule" was primarily driven by him. That said, as I have said in the past, I don't get the sense that it was meant in any way to be punitive or to discourage JM from writing. It was just an effort to try to make it easier on the rest of the band. And along with that, I also felt that JP viewed it as less than a "rule" than a "general guideline." The above is just my somewhat-educated guess and feelings based on what was said, and I could be wrong. But if that is generally correct, then I would suspect that with MP no longer in the band, the "rule" has been loosened up considerably.
Applying the above to MM lyrics, again if my assumptions are somewhat correct, I would not necessarily conclude that he had to write all vocal melodies for his lyrics himself. That said, I am sure he is entirely capable. And I'm not advocating a position that he either did or did not--just saying that I would not necessarily assume that one end of the spectrum or the other has to be 100% true. We just don't know.
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Regarding the "rule," here's my two cents: From the way the band, and mainly Mike Portnoy, discussed it, it seemed like there was a bit of frustration on behalf of more than just MP over having to come up with a vocal melody and fit JM's lyrics into it, but that it was mainly MP's frustration. And it seemed like the "rule" was primarily driven by him.
While it is true that MP was the most open about discussing the matter, I wouldn't rule out JP being equally or perhaps even more frustrated (even if he would mask that from the public view) being that he's the one who cares far more about lyric writing than MP ever did. The reality is, just like the rest of what you're saying, is that we don't know, and I don't think it's entirely fair to imply that most of the blame lay at MP's feet.
That said, as I have said in the past, I don't get the sense that it was meant in any way to be punitive or to discourage JM from writing. It was just an effort to try to make it easier on the rest of the band.
Absolutely. In fact numerous times MP tried to encourage JM to write lyrics again while he was in the band.
And along with that, I also felt that JP viewed it as less than a "rule" than a "general guideline." The above is just my somewhat-educated guess and feelings based on what was said, and I could be wrong. But if that is generally correct, then I would suspect that with MP no longer in the band, the "rule" has been loosened up considerably.
That is quite possible as a lot changed once MP left the band. But until officially stated otherwise, it's equally logical that they'd continue using the same basic rule that they had previously. Given that JP already writes the bulk of the lyrics, especially with MP gone now, it's easy to imagine what little lyric writing he doesn't do he probably leaves up to the others to write the vocal melodies.
Applying the above to MM lyrics, again if my assumptions are somewhat correct, I would not necessarily conclude that he had to write all vocal melodies for his lyrics himself. That said, I am sure he is entirely capable. And I'm not advocating a position that he either did or did not--just saying that I would not necessarily assume that one end of the spectrum or the other has to be 100% true. We just don't know.
What you're saying is quite possible - I never meant what I posted to be taken as a hard definitive fact. And given that this is the first album MM's writing lyrics for, it wouldn't be surprising if JP has at least some involvement in the vocal melodies until he's confident in MM's ability to do so on his own.
Definitely an interesting discussion, and something worth asking next time someone does an interview with one of the band members!
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Regarding the "rule," here's my two cents: From the way the band, and mainly Mike Portnoy, discussed it, it seemed like there was a bit of frustration on behalf of more than just MP over having to come up with a vocal melody and fit JM's lyrics into it, but that it was mainly MP's frustration. And it seemed like the "rule" was primarily driven by him.
While it is true that MP was the most open about discussing the matter, I wouldn't rule out JP being equally or perhaps even more frustrated (even if he would mask that from the public view) being that he's the one who cares far more about lyric writing than MP ever did. The reality is, just like the rest of what you're saying, is that we don't know, and I don't think it's entirely fair to imply that most of the blame lay at MP's feet.
But my whole point about that, and as I tried to say in the next part that you quoted, is that I don't view it as a "blame" issue. My sense is (and, again, I could be totally mistaken) that MP was the biggest proponent of the "rule." But even if true, I don't see it as anything blameworthy. It's just how they decided to function. I think it is just one more of those things that Mike disclosed that fans took and ran with and blew a bit out of proportion into something it probably was never intended to be. I've tried to be fair and say that my take on the rule is somewhat speculative. But even if it turns out that it is 100% accurate, it isn't something to "blame" Mike or anybody else for.
Definitely an interesting discussion, and something worth asking next time someone does an interview with one of the band members!
For sure. As I was typing my earlier response, I was already mentally adding it to my list of things I want to talk to them about at some point in the future.
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Just out of curiousity, generally how long does it take to mix and master albums as complex as those Dream Theater produce?
And no, I'm not getting impatient waiting on DT14. It arrives precisely when it means to. :lol
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I wonder who has written the vocal melodies for MM's lyrics, maybe James?
I would be surprise if any vocal melody at all not written by JP comes from anyone but JP himself and/or JR..
James might change some lines to adjust what's necessary/more comfortable for him, but I think every DT song's vocal melodies has been created by JP, the keyboardist on duty and MP..
The rule that they always had was whoever wrote the lyrics was responsible for writing the vocal melodies.
Yeah, I totally forgot about that.. But, there's also another rule that JP once said, that 99% of the times the music comes first, and then the lyrics... So, given the fact that LaBrie does not contribute in the musical composition, what I wonder is how exactly does he write his lyrics and vocal melodies.. My guess remains the same (lol), that vocal melodies of songs penned by James are at least very guided by JP and/or JR.. Because there's something you're both missing (at least in your recents posts), and that is that there's several ways of creating the pair vocal melodies/lyrics, even if we consider the "99%" rule:
-you can write the lyric, then add to it some form of melody and only then pick the song to insert it;
-you can write the lyric already knowing in which song it will fit, thus the melody becomes somehow 'easier' to make;
-you can write a melody first, then write the lyric and then look for a song for it;
-you can write the melody and then the lyric already knowing the song for it;
-you can write a vocal melody and, based on this create, or begin to create, the whole song (this still fits the "99%" rule because the lyric itself would come at the end anyway)
-etc
So, what I'm saying is that I don't see James working in any of the last three ways.. For me, even the first option would be a total surprise..
Definitely an interesting discussion, and something worth asking next time someone does an interview with one of the band members!
For sure. As I was typing my earlier response, I was already mentally adding it to my list of things I want to talk to them about at some point in the future.
Absolutely!.. That would be something great to know about, and I guess they would find the question to be fresh and interesting too.. I personally like when someone asks me how do we compose songs and things like that.. It's a great question, and very useful to fans that are also musicians..
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But, there's also another rule that JP once said, that 99% of the times the music comes first, and then the lyrics... So, given the fact that LaBrie does not contribute in the musical composition, what I wonder is how exactly does he write his lyrics and vocal melodies.. My guess remains the same (lol), that vocal melodies of songs penned by James are at least very guided by JP and/or JR.. Because there's something you're both missing (at least in your recents posts), and that is that there's several ways of creating the pair vocal melodies/lyrics, even if we consider the "99%" rule:
-you can write the lyric as a poem, then add to it some form of melody and only then pick the song to insert it;
-you can write the poem already knowing in which song it will fit, thus the melody becomes somehow 'easier' to make;
-you can write a melody first, then write the lyric and then look for a song for it;
-you can write the melody and then the lyric already knowing the song for it;
-you can write a vocal melody and, based on this create, or begin to create, the whole song (this still fits the "99%" rule because the lyric itself would come at the end anyway)
-etc
So, what I'm saying is that I don't see James working in any of the last three ways.. For me, even the first option would be a total surprise..
I could be wrong on this, but actually I imagine that option #4 is probably closest to the way it works. Not sure exactly how they go about determining who will write lyrics for a specific song, but I've always been of the opinion that each band member is given certain songs to write lyrics for ahead of time. I think it would be pretty difficult to write lyrics without having an intended home for them (unless you had an arrangement like Rush did).
And JM is the only one that was ever said to write lyrics in poem form. JL could do so too, and then reformat them into lyrics, but I just don't see that happening.
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And JM is the only one that was ever said to write lyrics in poem form. JL could do so too, and then reformat them into lyrics, but I just don't see that happening.
Yeah, I don't know why I wrote "poem" in there.. (I was referring to the cases were the lyrics are written without any melody.. Ok, fixed..)
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But, there's also another rule that JP once said, that 99% of the times the music comes first, and then the lyrics... So, given the fact that LaBrie does not contribute in the musical composition, what I wonder is how exactly does he write his lyrics and vocal melodies.. My guess remains the same (lol), that vocal melodies of songs penned by James are at least very guided by JP and/or JR.. Because there's something you're both missing (at least in your recents posts), and that is that there's several ways of creating the pair vocal melodies/lyrics, even if we consider the "99%" rule:
-you can write the lyric as a poem, then add to it some form of melody and only then pick the song to insert it;
-you can write the poem already knowing in which song it will fit, thus the melody becomes somehow 'easier' to make;
-you can write a melody first, then write the lyric and then look for a song for it;
-you can write the melody and then the lyric already knowing the song for it;
-you can write a vocal melody and, based on this create, or begin to create, the whole song (this still fits the "99%" rule because the lyric itself would come at the end anyway)
-etc
So, what I'm saying is that I don't see James working in any of the last three ways.. For me, even the first option would be a total surprise..
I could be wrong on this, but actually I imagine that option #4 is probably closest to the way it works. Not sure exactly how they go about determining who will write lyrics for a specific song, but I've always been of the opinion that each band member is given certain songs to write lyrics for ahead of time. I think it would be pretty difficult to write lyrics without having an intended home for them (unless you had an arrangement like Rush did).
And JM is the only one that was ever said to write lyrics in poem form. JL could do so too, and then reformat them into lyrics, but I just don't see that happening.
I think the way these things work is probably that during the writing process of the music a musician will say something like: 'I'm getting a certain vibe off of this, I think I might be able to come up with some lyrics for this'. Then he'll go away and write the lyric and the rest will determine if it works with the song. Seems to be the most organic way to go about this.
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^ I think you're onto something there because in the case of JM, all the songs that he wrote lyrics for are almost exactly those with the best bass playing in the DT catalogue.
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Best is subjective, but IMHO these are the ones with very distinct bass lines.
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I think the way these things work is probably that during the writing process of the music a musician will say something like: 'I'm getting a certain vibe off of this, I think I might be able to come up with some lyrics for this'. Then he'll go away and write the lyric and the rest will determine if it works with the song. Seems to be the most organic way to go about this.
Yeah, I'd assume they work that way too.. However, we weren't talking about how they come up with the content of a lyric, but about when in the lyric-writing process they come up with the vocal melodies for the lyric..
FWIW, the options raised above are not random ideas that I came up with yesterday, but the different ways we've been working with my band.. With DT, though, I have no idea how it is, and who does which task within the certain way, although I have my guesses, as I described before..
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Anyway, we just learnt today Avantasia's tracklist AND cover artwork, the album is being released in the beginning of February, just like DT14, day more or day less.
On one hand, it's apples and oranges - different band, different label etc - , but on the other hand, the general promotion machine has the same way to work, so it is too far fetched to assume that, if a band that releases an album on the 1st of February announced today the details, DT who are due for end of January / beginning of February could be not weeks, but days away from a major announcement?
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Anyway, we just learnt today Avantasia's tracklist AND cover artwork, the album is being released in the beginning of February, just like DT14, day more or day less.
On one hand, it's apples and oranges - different band, different label etc - , but on the other hand, the general promotion machine has the same way to work, so it is too far fetched to assume that, if a band that releases an album on the 1st of February announced today the details, DT who are due for end of January / beginning of February could be not weeks, but days away from a major announcement?
I really hope you’re right and we get info very soon :metal
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In 2015, cover artwork and tour dates were published on November 2nd, and a complete tracklist after November 20th
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They are working out some necessary logistics right now. An announcement should be forthcoming once they get that worked out.
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They should call FedEx for that then (no just joking)
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^ I think you're onto something there because in the case of JM, all the songs that he wrote lyrics for are almost exactly those with the best bass playing in the DT catalogue.
I love that we have metric system and all but I really hate how we spell words: centre, litre, colour, catalogue, programme, dialogue, metre, theatre, etc. Squiggly red lines everywhere (actually, "dialogue" doesn't have one for some reason but "catalogue" does) and mocking Dream Theatre fans (meh, that one is kind of fun)... but, I digress.
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They are working out some necessary logistics right now. An announcement should be forthcoming once they get that worked out.
“But I already put out my press release” :biggrin:
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They are working out some necessary logistics right now. An announcement should be forthcoming once they get that worked out.
:soon:
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What do Roadrunner have to do with this?
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It was like following a treasure hunt without the clues.
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What do Roadrunner have to do with this?
That's a DTF inside joke of sort. Quote the post to see what the secret code is.
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What do Roadrunner have to do with this?
That's a DTF inside joke of sort. Quote the post to see what the secret code is.
I forgot about that :lol What release were we waiting on?
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What do Roadrunner have to do with this?
That's a DTF inside joke of sort. Quote the post to see what the secret code is.
I forgot about that :lol What release were we waiting on?
Pretty sure it was DT12
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What do Roadrunner have to do with this?
That's a DTF inside joke of sort. Quote the post to see what the secret code is.
I forgot about that :lol What release were we waiting on?
Pretty sure it was DT12
Wasn't it Live At Luna Park?
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What do Roadrunner have to do with this?
That's a DTF inside joke of sort. Quote the post to see what the secret code is.
I forgot about that :lol What release were we waiting on?
Pretty sure it was DT12
Wasn't it Live At Luna Park?
:D
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What do Roadrunner have to do with this?
That's a DTF inside joke of sort. Quote the post to see what the secret code is.
I forgot about that :lol What release were we waiting on?
Pretty sure it was DT12
Wasn't it Live At Luna Park?
Probably not, it was released via Eagle Rock.
I didn't see many problems in DT's distribution concerning RRR, but unfortunately I saw the mess they are during Opeth's Pale Communion promotion...
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What do Roadrunner have to do with this?
That's a DTF inside joke of sort. Quote the post to see what the secret code is.
I forgot about that :lol What release were we waiting on?
Pretty sure it was DT12
Wasn't it Live At Luna Park?
Yeah, I remember when the press release said soon and after 3 months we still got nothing :D There was a bit frustration and joking about it here, they just kept saying soon :soon:
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They should write, example, a full 2-minutes song whenever they feel like doing it, not just because the plot of an album demands it.
If they were to take away one aspect from The Astonishing, I would want it to be this. The story of Astonishing mandated some short pieces, but I think it'd be great if they wrote a few every now and again outside of a concept album.
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I had a dream last night that the album title was revealed to be 'Venom' :biggrin: There was also a black and yellow/gold theme. :coolio
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I had a dream last night that the album title was revealed to be 'Venom' :biggrin: There was also a black and yellow/gold theme. :coolio
I think your mind just combined Haken’s upcoming album with Sony’s latest superhero movie and assigned it to DT :lol
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I had a dream last night that the album title was revealed to be 'Venom' :biggrin: There was also a black and yellow/gold theme. :coolio
That’s a Bullet For My Valentine album.
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Has anyone heard about what options there will be for buying physical media?
I'm wondering what kind of box set, "earbook", or LP packages there will be.
They are on a new label now, so this could be interesting!
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They are on a new label now, so this could be interesting!
I missed this. Who are they on now?
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They are on a new label now, so this could be interesting!
I missed this. Who are they on now?
They’re with Inside Out/Sony now.
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Thx!
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They are on a new label now, so this could be interesting!
I missed this. Who are they on now?
Sony / insideout
https://www.insideoutmusic.com/newsdetailed.aspx?IdNews=22518&IdCompany=8
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Heh, for the first time ever (I've been a fan since SFAM) I don't really care. Sure, I'm gonna pick up the new album when it comes out, but I don't have any expectations or whatever. TA made me completely lose interest, and I haven't really been listening that much to the other MM-era ones either.
But come on DT, surprise me. I would be thrilled. :coolio
Me too, will treat the new album with respect when it comes out but have no expectations for the first time since Images and words.
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the more I'm listening to haken's vector vs visions, the more I pray DOT isn't predominantly heavy over melodic
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I don't see it being super heavy album a la Train Of Thought. I think when the band is saying this will be heavier, they mean heavier than The Astonishing which wouldn't be too hard. Will be surprised if it's any heavier than ADTOE for example. I have no way of knowing this obviously, just a feeling that this will be a standard DT album, heavy, melodic, technical in equal measures.
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I don't see it being super heavy album a la Train Of Thought. I think when the band is saying this will be heavier, they mean heavier than The Astonishing which wouldn't be too hard. Will be surprised if it's any heavier than ADTOE for example. I have no way of knowing this obviously, just a feeling that this will be a standard DT album, heavy, melodic, technical in equal measures.
I'm gonna go further and speculate that it'll be about as heavy as the heaviest parts of ADTOE and DT12
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I think the heavier moments will be a blend of TOT and DT12, and there will be many of them. I'm hoping for some beautiful and fresh sounding clean tones from JP as well.
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Question from a drummer's perspective.
Mangini's bass drum set up has changed. Notice there was only one bass drum in the studio. That's common and drummers use a double pedal a lot for many reasons (not having to tune 2 bass drums, not having to mic 2 bass drums, etc.). However, his bass drum was placed in the center (not offset to the right or left) and it seemed he was using an ergonomic pedal set up. Does Pearl make them, did he use another brand, or did he modify the Pearl pedals?
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I know Pearl doesn't offer anything like that standard, he must have been using another brand, something like these:
https://reverb.com/item/11184364-offset-double-bass-drum-pedal-ergonomic-symmetrical-centered
Another interesting change is that all his hi hats were raised up super high, like where the crashes are.
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Mike uses a standard Pearl Demon Drive pedal (double or 2 singles). I think he said he plays tilted to the left side.
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I know Pearl doesn't offer anything like that standard, he must have been using another brand, something like these:
https://reverb.com/item/11184364-offset-double-bass-drum-pedal-ergonomic-symmetrical-centered
Another interesting change is that all his hi hats were raised up super high, like where the crashes are.
I wonder how Mike will be able to play those fast combinations of right and left hi-hats with the snare, with the hi-hats placed like this :omg:
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I know Pearl doesn't offer anything like that standard, he must have been using another brand, something like these:
https://reverb.com/item/11184364-offset-double-bass-drum-pedal-ergonomic-symmetrical-centered
Another interesting change is that all his hi hats were raised up super high, like where the crashes are.
I wonder how Mike will be able to play those fast combinations of right and left hi-hats with the snare, with the hi-hats placed like this :omg:
I was wondering the same about the hi-hats. Thy seemed too high up for my taste and I think it would kill my shoulders if I were playing those. Sometimes a change in set up can inspire you behind the kit. I'm curious if we will see the same studio set up on tour.
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I was wondering the same about the hi-hats. Thy seemed too high up for my taste and I think it would kill my shoulders if I were playing those. Sometimes a change in set up can inspire you behind the kit. I'm curious if we will see the same studio set up on tour.
He will. He posted this a while back https://www.facebook.com/MikeMangini/photos/a.114728775242556/1889951844386898/?type=3&theater where he basically says he got a new kit from Pearl but they wrote the album so fast that he couldn't get it in time for the recording. We can't see the kit, but we can see the upper side of the rack and he has the same hi-hat and ride placement as with his studio kit.
Last week, he also posted this: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bp0BOSBhmy1/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1zk9cvi5wnlu&fbclid=IwAR1DSonGcX3IdzaUhiNeGkTBqvZuwlagWJnV0bNel3s8oHRauUevw76UTVA
It's his home kit (the one he used on the ADTOE tour) and is set up in the same way, only with two bass drums instead of one.
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Thanks for the links! Man, the cymbals look so high up. For me it would be exhausting to play cymbals that high. Again, to each his own on kit set ups.