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Title: Dream Theater Finishes Smoking Barbecue!! - Album in Food Warmer!
Post by: goo-goo on May 29, 2018, 10:43:48 AM
From James' FB

Hey Everyone,
Well, getting excited as we (DT) go into the studio just less than 2 weeks to create our next disc.
In the meantime check out this podcast I did with Tee Todd, the host of Centerstage.

http://www.centerstageshow.com/
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: AngelBack on May 29, 2018, 10:47:07 AM
From James' FB

Hey Everyone,
Well, getting excited as we (DT) go into the studio just less than 2 weeks to create our next disc.
In the meantime check out this podcast I did with Tee Todd, the host of Centerstage.

http://www.centerstageshow.com/


Let the DTF spy games begin!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 29, 2018, 10:48:50 AM
Awesome!  :metal

Hopefully they keep us updated this time around. With TA they were keeping things under wraps, which I get, this time it would be great to get some clips of the band in studio.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on May 29, 2018, 10:49:48 AM
I agree. I think it'd be great to keep the fans engaged throughout the process.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on May 29, 2018, 10:52:15 AM
> goes into studio halfway through June
> James can't make ProgPower because he'll be in studio

that's like 2.5 months in the studio wtf come on James :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 29, 2018, 10:53:28 AM
I agree. I think it'd be great to keep the fans engaged throughout the process.

Yeah, like I said, with TA I kinda get it. But this time around documenting this stuff and engaging the base would really be beneficial. New label for this record too, right? You'd think they'd be thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on May 29, 2018, 01:43:58 PM
I agree. I think it'd be great to keep the fans engaged throughout the process.

Yeah, like I said, with TA I kinda get it. But this time around documenting this stuff and engaging the base would really be beneficial. New label for this record too, right? You'd think they'd be thinking the same thing.

Completely agree with you. There's no need to post long, super detailed updates, just small clips and snippets here and there to keep the fans excited for the new material. And, I could be wrong on this, but I think IO is better at promoting this kind of stuff as opposed to RR, so it looks like a good start to me.

Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Schurftkut on May 29, 2018, 01:44:46 PM
yeah get back to those 6doit small movies kinda thing. Have the music be as different and kickass as that album was. I'd be all for this :-)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 29, 2018, 01:48:26 PM
I agree. I think it'd be great to keep the fans engaged throughout the process.

Yeah, like I said, with TA I kinda get it. But this time around documenting this stuff and engaging the base would really be beneficial. New label for this record too, right? You'd think they'd be thinking the same thing.

Completely agree with you. There's no need to post long, super detailed updates, just small clips and snippets here and there to keep the fans excited for the new material. And, I could be wrong on this, but I think IO is better at promoting this kind of stuff as opposed to RR, so it looks like a good start to me.

I don't know if IO is better at it, but DT is pretty much the "big" band on their label, where as they weren't with RR. So hopefully that means IO gives them some real attention and starts the promotion during the writing and recording of the record.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: JLa on May 29, 2018, 01:54:56 PM
Heh, for the first time ever (I've been a fan since SFAM) I don't really care. Sure, I'm gonna pick up the new album when it comes out, but I don't have any expectations or whatever. TA made me completely lose interest, and I haven't really been listening that much to the other MM-era ones either.

But come on DT, surprise me. I would be thrilled.  :coolio
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RoeDent on May 29, 2018, 02:27:13 PM
Oh yeah! Album cycle number 14, let's do this baby!  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ChuckSteak on May 29, 2018, 03:12:12 PM
Heh, for the first time since 6DOIT (the first album I waited for, I discovered them after SFAM was released), I don't really care. Sure, I'm gonna pick up the new album when it comes out, but I don't have any expectations or whatever. TA made me completely lose interest, and I haven't really been listening that much to the other MM-era ones either.

But come on DT, surprise me. I would be thrilled.  :coolio
Same here. But I think there will be no surprise.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: DT2003 on May 29, 2018, 04:35:52 PM
Saw James’ post earlier today and was very excited. I can’t wait to see what direction they go with this album. Although I do really like TA for what it is, I’m hoping for a very different direction with this album. Regardless, I can’t wait!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on May 29, 2018, 06:25:55 PM
I am not a social media guy, but isn't this a bit of a weak way to say announce this? No announcement from the band, management, their label? Just a 2 sentence comment on the singer's fb page?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on May 29, 2018, 06:32:40 PM
Not really.  I mean, I'm not sure "we just want to pre-announce that, in two weeks, we will be in the studio" needs any fanfare.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on May 29, 2018, 06:45:35 PM
Maybe. I don't do twitterfacegram, so I don't know how these announcements should work. I just feel that a band having a set date they are going to hit the studio to record a new album warrants a tiny bit more fanfare. But going back to MP's time in the band I found it a bit strange most of the news and announcements started out on Mike's personal web page.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on May 29, 2018, 06:48:09 PM
Prior to Train of Thought, I'm not sure they ever actually did announce that they were in the studio.  And even after that, I don't recall anything "formal" for a lot of the albums.  I mean, we found out at some point that they were in the studio, or after the fact, found out that they had been.  But I don't really recall anything formal.  And I don't think most bands do that either.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on May 29, 2018, 06:51:47 PM
I thought in 2018 when a member of a band has the sniffles it gets posted to social media, then Blabbermouth runs an article on it, then the other band members have to put out a press release saying said band member just has a cold, he is not being kicked out.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on May 29, 2018, 07:01:19 PM
I thought in 2018 when a member of a band has the sniffles it gets posted to social media, then Blabbermouth runs an article on it, then the other band members have to put out a press release saying said band member just has a cold, he is not being kicked out.

But MP's not in Dream Theater anymore.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: goo-goo on May 29, 2018, 07:06:50 PM
Hopefully we can get a Making of DVD now that DT is with Inside Out. I/O likes those special edition releases.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on May 29, 2018, 07:32:38 PM
Hopefully we can get a Making of DVD now that DT is with Inside Out. I/O likes those special edition releases.

I’m with you on this one. I’d really like to see that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Thoughtspart3 on May 29, 2018, 08:02:44 PM
I have been looking for this every time I check the forums.   :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: rumborak on May 29, 2018, 09:07:27 PM
I would love to see a "making of a song" video, i.e. from composition to recording to mixing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Adami on May 29, 2018, 09:17:08 PM
I would love to see a "making of a song" video, i.e. from composition to recording to mixing.

I feel like it would be a video with almost no dialogue. JR plays a riff, JP nods, learns it and expands and they just keep doing this for a few hours. Eventually JM walks in and JR hands him sheet music to learn. MM is no where to be seen.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Adami on May 29, 2018, 09:19:18 PM
Not really.  I mean, I'm not sure "we just want to pre-announce that, in two weeks, we will be in the studio" needs any fanfare.

Maybe you lesser fans don't care. But me? I want to know where they are and what they're doing at all times. And because of that unjust "restraining" order that I bet the lawyers did and the band didn't even know about, I have to rely on social media.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on May 29, 2018, 09:21:05 PM
Not really.  I mean, I'm not sure "we just want to pre-announce that, in two weeks, we will be in the studio" needs any fanfare.

Maybe you less fans don't care. But me? I want to know where they are and what they're doing at all times. And because of that unjust "restraining" order that I bet the lawyers did and the band didn't even know about, I have to rely on social media.

:rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: The Curious Orange on May 30, 2018, 02:57:09 AM
Oh for the days when the first time you knew a band had entered the studio to record a new album was when you saw said album in a record store...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: a51502112 on May 30, 2018, 05:11:46 AM
Heh, for the first time since 6DOIT (the first album I waited for, I discovered them after SFAM was released), I don't really care. Sure, I'm gonna pick up the new album when it comes out, but I don't have any expectations or whatever. TA made me completely lose interest, and I haven't really been listening that much to the other MM-era ones either.

But come on DT, surprise me. I would be thrilled.  :coolio
Same here. But I think there will be no surprise.

All of this.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 30, 2018, 07:36:48 AM
I would love to see a "making of a song" video, i.e. from composition to recording to mixing.

Yup, me too. Metallica pretty much has done this for their last two records. Really interesting to watch.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on May 30, 2018, 10:40:26 AM
I am not a social media guy, but isn't this a bit of a weak way to say announce this? No announcement from the band, management, their label? Just a 2 sentence comment on the singer's fb page?

Maybe. I don't do twitterfacegram, so I don't know how these announcements should work. I just feel that a band having a set date they are going to hit the studio to record a new album warrants a tiny bit more fanfare. But going back to MP's time in the band I found it a bit strange most of the news and announcements started out on Mike's personal web page.

Speaking only for myself, in slightly over 35 years of being a consumer of popular/rock music, I cannot remember any band/artist other than DT ever "formally" announcing that he/she/it was going into the studio (and I'm reasonably active on Facebook and have a Twitter account that I rarely check, much less use).  That said, it makes perfect sense to me that "we're going into the studio on such and such day" announcements show up on the individual band members' social media (if anywhere).  Of course, I view the "we're going into the studio" stuff more or less the same as I view the draft in a sports league.  Just let me know whom my team picked and whether he's any good and when the season starts.  Likewise, just let me know when the album is available.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ninjabait on May 30, 2018, 02:03:48 PM
I am not a social media guy, but isn't this a bit of a weak way to say announce this? No announcement from the band, management, their label? Just a 2 sentence comment on the singer's fb page?

Maybe. I don't do twitterfacegram, so I don't know how these announcements should work. I just feel that a band having a set date they are going to hit the studio to record a new album warrants a tiny bit more fanfare. But going back to MP's time in the band I found it a bit strange most of the news and announcements started out on Mike's personal web page.

Speaking only for myself, in slightly over 35 years of being a consumer of popular/rock music, I cannot remember any band/artist other than DT ever "formally" announcing that he/she/it was going into the studio (and I'm reasonably active on Facebook and have a Twitter account that I rarely check, much less use).  That said, it makes perfect sense to me that "we're going into the studio on such and such day" announcements show up on the individual band members' social media (if anywhere).  Of course, I view the "we're going into the studio" stuff more or less the same as I view the draft in a sports league.  Just let me know whom my team picked and whether he's any good and when the season starts.  Likewise, just let me know when the album is available.

That's really interesting, because I see it happen all the time! It's not just prog and metal groups either, I've seen a few pop stars and alternative rock bands indicate that they're writing or recording a new album or EP on social media (usually Insta, Twitter, or SnapChat--facebook and YouTube I've seen are mostly for more "formal" announcements). Maybe it's just the bands we listen to lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RoeDent on May 30, 2018, 02:39:59 PM
JLB: Hey, we're going into the studio to make a new album

DTFer 1: Ugh why did they even announce this?

DTFer 2: Ugh why didn't they announce this on their band page?

And I bet you, if DT were totally silent between now and album release, DTFer 1 would be the first to whinge about them not interacting with the fans enough. 

Honestly... :facepalm: You can't win with some people.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 30, 2018, 03:34:04 PM
They're in the studio?  Wow!! Really??  I never would've guessed after 2 years since the last release.  That's unbelievable!! I coulda had a V8. :lolpalm:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Lax on May 31, 2018, 12:09:59 AM
Oh dear DT gods please hear my two prayers :
-I wish we hear the bass in the mix
-I wish we hear the drums in the mix, including cymbals, and with a real drum sound like in "into the great divide" from mangini

Gloria gloria

:D
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 31, 2018, 06:28:49 AM
Oh dear DT gods please hear my two prayers :
-I wish we hear the bass in the mix
-I wish we hear the drums in the mix, including cymbals, and with a real drum sound like in "into the great divide" from mangini

Gloria gloria

:D

Hah, yeah agreed. Speaking of which - has there been any word as to who will be engineering the record? I assume Rich but here's hoping they switch it up...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: metrojam on May 31, 2018, 01:48:10 PM
Heh, for the first time since 6DOIT (the first album I waited for, I discovered them after SFAM was released), I don't really care. Sure, I'm gonna pick up the new album when it comes out, but I don't have any expectations or whatever. TA made me completely lose interest, and I haven't really been listening that much to the other MM-era ones either.

But come on DT, surprise me. I would be thrilled.  :coolio
Same here. But I think there will be no surprise.

I'm afraid after being a fan since 1989 and dozens of live concerts in different countries too, I still have HOPES but little expectations sadly of a return to form after their last 2 efforts. So sadly I'm with you two guys and it hurts to have to say that as DT were my number one musical love for over 25 years and that's a hell of a long time!!
Come on guys, prove us oldie but sceptical fans wrong and bring out another classic DT album (oh and please make sure Jordan's damn piano is smashed into smithereens before you go into the studio too as we heard enough of that on the last one to last another 10 DT albums!!)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on May 31, 2018, 02:02:04 PM
Come on guys, prove us oldie but sceptical fans wrong and bring out another classic DT album

I think ADTOE fits that criteria very well. DT12 might too, it's really good and sounds more like "classic DT" than anything from TOT to Black Clouds.

Oh dear DT gods please hear my two prayers :
-I wish we hear the bass in the mix
-I wish we hear the drums in the mix, including cymbals, and with a real drum sound like in "into the great divide" from mangini

Gloria gloria

:D

Hah, yeah agreed. Speaking of which - has there been any word as to who will be engineering the record? I assume Rich but here's hoping they switch it up...

I'd say it's Chycki, because he's worked on every DT release since LALP untill now (including the still unreleased Budokan show from last year), but you never know. As for me, I'd like to see them work with someone else this time. Would love to have Kevin Shirley back, not as a producer, but as an engineer and mixer, his DT mixes were very good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: lucasembarbosa on May 31, 2018, 03:32:15 PM
Come on guys, prove us oldie but sceptical fans wrong and bring out another classic DT album

I think ADTOE fits that criteria very well. DT12 might too, it's really good and sounds more like "classic DT" than anything from TOT to Black Clouds.

Oh dear DT gods please hear my two prayers :
-I wish we hear the bass in the mix
-I wish we hear the drums in the mix, including cymbals, and with a real drum sound like in "into the great divide" from mangini

Gloria gloria

:D

Hah, yeah agreed. Speaking of which - has there been any word as to who will be engineering the record? I assume Rich but here's hoping they switch it up...

I'd say it's Chycki, because he's worked on every DT release since LALP untill now (including the still unreleased Budokan show from last year), but you never know. As for me, I'd like to see them work with someone else this time. Would love to have Kevin Shirley back, not as a producer, but as an engineer and mixer, his DT mixes were very good.

I would aim for Nolly Getgood, but he's working on the new Haken's stuff. Maybe Jens Bogren?? :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on May 31, 2018, 03:33:26 PM
Come on guys, prove us oldie but sceptical fans wrong and bring out another classic DT album

I think ADTOE fits that criteria very well. DT12 might too, it's really good and sounds more like "classic DT" than anything from TOT to Black Clouds.

Oh dear DT gods please hear my two prayers :
-I wish we hear the bass in the mix
-I wish we hear the drums in the mix, including cymbals, and with a real drum sound like in "into the great divide" from mangini

Gloria gloria

:D

Hah, yeah agreed. Speaking of which - has there been any word as to who will be engineering the record? I assume Rich but here's hoping they switch it up...

I'd say it's Chycki, because he's worked on every DT release since LALP untill now (including the still unreleased Budokan show from last year), but you never know. As for me, I'd like to see them work with someone else this time. Would love to have Kevin Shirley back, not as a producer, but as an engineer and mixer, his DT mixes were very good.

I would aim for Nolly Getgood, but he's working on the new Haken's stuff. Maybe Jens Bogren?? :metal :metal :metal

Both are very good options :metal And, btw, Nolly is only working on drum tones with Haken, not the whole recording or mixing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Fritzinger on June 01, 2018, 04:50:45 AM
Oh dear DT gods please hear my two prayers :
-I wish we hear the bass in the mix
-I wish we hear the drums in the mix, including cymbals, and with a real drum sound like in "into the great divide" from mangini

Gloria gloria

:D

Those two, especially the latter one, are my only concerns. I'm pretty sure I will like what the guys will compose, but it has to sound good.

We had this discussion 39482 times already, but I really don't think Rich Chicky has anything to do with the bad drums sound. He was involved with Into The Great Divide too.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 01, 2018, 06:39:33 AM
Both are very good options :metal And, btw, Nolly is only working on drum tones with Haken, not the whole recording or mixing.

Gheez, what a missed opportunity. Nolly's one of the best out there and you only tap him for drum sounds?

Anyway, the more I listen to his work with DT, the more I realize I'm just not a big Chycki fan. I get that JP is the producer, so the buck stops with him, but still there's a balance there. Rich is the engineer tracking and mixing and needs to stick to his guns if he doesn't think the producer is making good choices from a sonic perspective.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: PepeLePew on June 01, 2018, 09:03:55 AM
Do we have any indication on the release date? How long does it take DT from going into the studio to release? Or has that been vastly differing in the past so we can't estimate a time frame?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 01, 2018, 09:12:32 AM
Do we have any indication on the release date? How long does it take DT from going into the studio to release? Or has that been vastly differing in the past so we can't estimate a time frame?

I think originally they were saying an early 2019 release for the next record. Not sure if the label change has moved that up or not.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ninjabait on June 01, 2018, 09:26:08 AM
Do we have any indication on the release date? How long does it take DT from going into the studio to release? Or has that been vastly differing in the past so we can't estimate a time frame?

I'd say sometime in 2019 for sure. It's a bit hard to tell, because it looks like DT has been slowly shifting from a 2-year release schedule to a 3-year one. But depending on how fast the writing and pre-production process goes (which could vary from 3 weeks like ToT to almost three years like tA), the actual production and post-production will probably a couple of months. At the earliest, I'd say maybe February or March of next year? Nothing confirmed yet tho.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 01, 2018, 10:04:49 AM
Both James and JP have confirmed it'll be released in early 2019. JP actually said (don't remember if it was to Bosk or on an interview) that the label wanted it released earlier, but they decided january or february 2019 was better.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 01, 2018, 03:41:15 PM
It might be that, just like in 2016, we get a release date combo of DT and Avantasia  :metal

I'm all for whatever updates they'll throw our way, they can also be vague - I don't really expect them to do mini videos or stuff like that, but just the occasional teasing message should be fun. "Guitars almost done"....  "Today Jordan is really wild on the piano"... "James is here for the vocals".... stuff like that.

Anyway, let the long gestation until January begin!!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mike099 on June 01, 2018, 04:30:30 PM
The first order of business is what the coffee budget will be.  I seem to remember they consumed a lot of coffee in the studio.

Hoping the cd will be heavy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on June 01, 2018, 04:34:13 PM
I'm all for whatever updates they'll throw our way, they can also be vague - I don't really expect them to do mini videos or stuff like that, but just the occasional teasing message should be fun. "Guitars almost done"....  "Today Jordan is really wild on the piano"... "James is here for the vocals".... stuff like that.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on June 01, 2018, 05:21:31 PM
The first order of business is what the coffee budget will be.  I seem to remember they consumed a lot of coffee in the studio.

Hoping the cd will be heavy.

Wasn't their Starbucks tab something like 30-40k for one of the Roadrunner albums? Black Clouds I think? Unbelievable!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Fritzinger on June 02, 2018, 08:50:58 AM
The first order of business is what the coffee budget will be.  I seem to remember they consumed a lot of coffee in the studio.

Hoping the cd will be heavy.

Wasn't their Starbucks tab something like 30-40k for one of the Roadrunner albums? Black Clouds I think? Unbelievable!

I think it was around 20k for the Systematic Chaos recording sessions :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 02, 2018, 10:49:14 AM
While the guys have earned the right to do whatever the heck they want to do at this stage of their careers, I would love to see them hire an outside producer. It would obviously need to be the right guy, because we all know the damage a bad producer can do, but I think that a good producer can do wonders. My main inspiration for this is Amorphis, who brought on Jens Bogren a couple of years back and since then have ascended to god status with Under the Red Cloud and Queen of Time. His influence has been transformative, and I would love to see Dream Theater benefit from something like that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 02, 2018, 11:28:14 AM
While the guys have earned the right to do whatever the heck they want to do at this stage of their careers, I would love to see them hire an outside producer. It would obviously need to be the right guy, because we all know the damage a bad producer can do, but I think that a good producer can do wonders. My main inspiration for this is Amorphis, who brought on Jens Bogren a couple of years back and since then have ascended to god status with Under the Red Cloud and Queen of Time. His influence has been transformative, and I would love to see Dream Theater benefit from something like that.

Completely agree with you. There's nothing wrong with hiring a good producer who will only help improve the band's sound/vision for an specific record.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Lethean on June 02, 2018, 12:02:39 PM
There's nothing wrong with it at all - but I hope they don't. :)  I think their last 3 albums are among their best, so I think JP's doing a fantastic job.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: goo-goo on June 02, 2018, 12:13:03 PM
There's nothing wrong with it at all - but I hope they don't. :)  I think their last 3 albums are among their best, so I think JP's doing a fantastic job.

I do like JP's approach to producing the music and like the post-MP albums a lot, however, the sonic side (the recording/mix/master) of the albums has been very questionable. ADTOE had a very thin guitar sound and while it's (imo) Mangini's best drum sound, it was also very thin (Andy Wallace did the mix). The return of the bass was great! In DT 12, the snare drum sound is horrible in my opinion, and the guitars basically take the whole sound spectrum of the album. It is also very compressed and hot (loud). The Astonishing was a bit better overall, but the drum sound is still bad. The live sound of the snare drum on the The Astonishing concerts was great. So a lot of these sonic decisions are on JP's lap and a 2nd set of ears would definitely help the final product.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Lethean on June 02, 2018, 12:26:06 PM
I wouldn't mind the drums being a little more noticeable in the mix.  For the most part however, I don't pay attention to that sort of thing, and I suppose I should consider myself lucky in that regard because there's less aggravation on my end, I guess.   I wouldn't mind (or probably care) if they had a second set of ears with the overall sound and mix, or maybe they should let MM have a little more input into how his drums sound.  I just don't really want a full on "producer" who is going to be suggesting changes to the music itself.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on June 02, 2018, 12:53:57 PM
I've always wanted more guest appearances but I'm not going to hold my breath. I really like the additions they brought to Falling Into Infinity for example and guest appearances on songs are usually nice. Would be cool for a single or something at least.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Lethean on June 02, 2018, 12:57:16 PM
I don't want guest appearances either.  Unless it's Geddy Lee... That would work for me. :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on June 02, 2018, 01:01:17 PM
I've always wanted more guest appearances but I'm not going to hold my breath. I really like the additions they brought to Falling Into Infinity for example and guest appearances on songs are usually nice. Would be cool for a single or something at least.

Oh god no. Wasn't there just one guest appearance on FII? And it was awful. (minority opinion here, I know...). Guest appearances can enhance a song, but I don't know if I want it from DT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: dparrott on June 02, 2018, 01:01:43 PM
Meanwhile, still no decision on releasing last year's Budokan concert.   :corn
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on June 02, 2018, 01:05:53 PM
I've always wanted more guest appearances but I'm not going to hold my breath. I really like the additions they brought to Falling Into Infinity for example and guest appearances on songs are usually nice. Would be cool for a single or something at least.

Oh god no. Wasn't there just one guest appearance on FII? And it was awful. (minority opinion here, I know...). Guest appearances can enhance a song, but I don't know if I want it from DT.

*shuffles back to a lonely corner grumbling about DT fans*  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Adami on June 02, 2018, 01:14:10 PM
Don't forget Theresa on SFAM. That was a very cool guest appearance.

You don't need a prog dude as the guest star. Bring in someone totally different to add a new dimension to a song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 02, 2018, 01:22:19 PM
All i want really is more Mangini contribution. Its about time he gets it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pcs90 on June 02, 2018, 11:41:32 PM
Don't forget Theresa on SFAM. That was a very cool guest appearance.

You don't need a prog dude as the guest star. Bring in someone totally different to add a new dimension to a song.

Agreed, TSCO wouldn't be the same without her or the choir. An occasional guest probably wouldn't hurt.

As far as adding an outside producer goes, I completely agree re: sound quality. ADTOE and TA aren't necessarily bad but they're not ideal and the drum sounds on the last 2 albums have been disappointing. I really hope JP lets there be an organic-sounding mix this time around without all the over-the-top compression and electronic-sounding drums. This band deserves a better sound than that!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 02, 2018, 11:50:21 PM
Don't forget Theresa on SFAM. That was a very cool guest appearance.

You don't need a prog dude as the guest star. Bring in someone totally different to add a new dimension to a song.

Agreed, TSCO wouldn't be the same without her or the choir. An occasional guest probably wouldn't hurt.

As far as adding an outside producer goes, I completely agree re: sound quality. ADTOE and TA aren't necessarily bad but they're not ideal and the drum sounds on the last 2 albums have been disappointing. I really hope JP lets there be an organic-sounding mix this time around without all the over-the-top compression and electronic-sounding drums. This band deserves a better sound than that!

You know it makes me wonder why JP didn't have Guest singers along with JLB for The Astonishing. Releasing it titled exactly like the tour "Dream Theater presents..." Or "John Petrucci presents The Astonishing performed by Dream Theater". It would've likely went better with the fans in it not necessarily being A DT album, but it is still Dream Theater.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 03, 2018, 09:39:40 AM
Don't forget Theresa on SFAM. That was a very cool guest appearance.

You don't need a prog dude as the guest star. Bring in someone totally different to add a new dimension to a song.

Agreed, TSCO wouldn't be the same without her or the choir. An occasional guest probably wouldn't hurt.

As far as adding an outside producer goes, I completely agree re: sound quality. ADTOE and TA aren't necessarily bad but they're not ideal and the drum sounds on the last 2 albums have been disappointing. I really hope JP lets there be an organic-sounding mix this time around without all the over-the-top compression and electronic-sounding drums. This band deserves a better sound than that!

You know it makes me wonder why JP didn't have Guest singers along with JLB for The Astonishing. Releasing it titled exactly like the tour "Dream Theater presents..." Or "John Petrucci presents The Astonishing performed by Dream Theater". It would've likely went better with the fans in it not necessarily being A DT album, but it is still Dream Theater.

Honestly, I would have felt a lot better about it if they did it that way. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on June 03, 2018, 10:19:27 AM
Guest singers would have been absolutely perfect for Astonishing. Get Anneke in there, Devin Townsend as Lord Nafaryus...  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Lethean on June 03, 2018, 10:31:03 AM
No no no no no no no no. :P

The Astonishing is perhaps my favorite vocal performance ever and it wouldn't be nearly as good as it is with either of those two.  Both great singers, but no thanks.  If I wanted something like that, I bet I could find it on an Ayreon disc or two...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on June 03, 2018, 10:57:31 AM
Taking Lethean's side here. First off, who cares what it's called if the music is good. If it wasn't considered a "DT album" that would just mean we haven't had a proper DT album since 2013. And I am glad they chose to utilize James to the fullest and not turn it in to a multi-vocalist album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on June 03, 2018, 11:04:06 AM
No no no no no no no no. :P

The Astonishing is perhaps my favorite vocal performance ever and it wouldn't be nearly as good as it is with either of those two.  Both great singers, but no thanks.  If I wanted something like that, I bet I could find it on an Ayreon disc or two...

Yes yes yes yes yes yes. Yes. Yes again. Yes some more. :2metal:  :lol

James did absolutely kill it live, though. Man was he good. Honestly didn't think he'd be able to do Faythe's stuff live but he did! My muuuusic plaaayeeeeer...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 03, 2018, 11:43:58 AM
There's nothing wrong with it at all - but I hope they don't. :)  I think their last 3 albums are among their best, so I think JP's doing a fantastic job.

I agree! JP has been doing a great job. Maybe a co-production between JP and an outside guy is the best compromise. :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2018, 11:44:48 AM
And I am glad they chose to utilize James to the fullest and not turn it in to a multi-vocalist album.

Amen, brother!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ninjabait on June 03, 2018, 11:47:19 AM
I love JLB's performance on tA (seriously one of the best vocal performances on any album period), but I definitely wouldn't mind seeing it presented like a musical with different people singing the different roles too ngl. Not replacing his performance, but as a separate thing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2018, 11:50:20 AM
If they wanted to do some type of one off, then fine.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Lethean on June 03, 2018, 01:07:47 PM
Taking Lethean's side here. First off, who cares what it's called if the music is good. If it wasn't considered a "DT album" that would just mean we haven't had a proper DT album since 2013. And I am glad they chose to utilize James to the fullest and not turn it in to a multi-vocalist album.
Couldn't agree more.   :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Mosh on June 03, 2018, 02:58:46 PM
The promotion for DT12 was perfect IMO. How we got semi-weekly behind the scenes videos leading up to the announcement that started vague and slowly became more revealing with little bits of music dropped in here and there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Herrick on June 03, 2018, 03:10:37 PM
Don't forget Theresa on SFAM. That was a very cool guest appearance.

You don't need a prog dude as the guest star. Bring in someone totally different to add a new dimension to a song.

I always fast forward through that part of Through Her Eyes. Don't mind it so much on the other song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 03, 2018, 03:19:32 PM
Taking Lethean's side here. First off, who cares what it's called if the music is good.

Well, I didn't think (most of) the music was good  :-\  This was just my personal opinion and in the end it doesn't matter much.  Astonishing was just really hard to swallow.  Others loved it which is great.  If everybody hated it then it would have been a waste so even though opinions appear to be relatively evenly divided, I'm sincerely happy people like it.  Selfishly, I would have loved for it to be called a little side project rather than this sort of weird album that in my opinion doesn't fit in with the rest of their catalog.  I also don't think DT should bow to the whim of one random dude or even dozens, hundreds, or thousands so as long as the next album kicks ass, I'm fine.

If it wasn't considered a "DT album" that would just mean we haven't had a proper DT album since 2013.

What's wrong with a 5 year break?









Too soon?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on June 03, 2018, 04:10:23 PM
Selfishly, I would have loved for it to be called a little side project rather than this sort of weird album that in my opinion doesn't fit in with the rest of their catalog.

Fair enough, but by "little side project" do you mean no tour? Just an album release? Because it would either have to be an album with no tour, which probably wouldn't have been financially feasible, of what we ended up with, which would have meant no "actual" DT activity for several years.

And it is never too soon for comments like that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: PetFish on June 03, 2018, 06:42:31 PM
No no no no no no no no. :P

The Astonishing is perhaps my favorite vocal performance ever and it wouldn't be nearly as good as it is with either of those two.  Both great singers, but no thanks.  If I wanted something like that, I bet I could find it on an Ayreon disc or two...

But they went through the effort to make a rock opera, right?  Two acts with an intermission.  Overtures for each act.  Many different characters with names and back stories and specific lyrics (dialog).  I really think they should have had different vocalists do the different parts, at the very least on the album itself, if it's too expensive to do it live every day then no big deal, then if they were going to film it have the individual characters for that show.

Why run the marathon and then bug-out near the end by *not* having different players voice each character?

Take a look at these multi-vocalist versions of:

Our New World:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUh2DPe8CaM
A New Beginning:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtpJfCKPlZs

Imagine how awesome The Astonishing would sound if they went with different vocalists.  These covers are amazing.

And let's not forget, but they did do a *real* version of Our New World with Lzzy Hale:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_m-NngPzJA which was probably a test to see how it would be received to see if they'd take it any further.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2018, 07:01:19 PM
No no no no no no no no. :P

The Astonishing is perhaps my favorite vocal performance ever and it wouldn't be nearly as good as it is with either of those two.  Both great singers, but no thanks.  If I wanted something like that, I bet I could find it on an Ayreon disc or two...

But they went through the effort to make a rock opera, right?  Two acts with an intermission.  Overtures for each act.  Many different characters with names and back stories and specific lyrics (dialog).  I really think they should have had different vocalists do the different parts, at the very least on the album itself, if it's too expensive to do it live every day then no big deal, then if they were going to film it have the individual characters for that show.

Why run the marathon and then bug-out near the end by *not* having different players voice each character?

Take a look at these multi-vocalist versions of:

Our New World:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUh2DPe8CaM
A New Beginning:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtpJfCKPlZs

Imagine how awesome The Astonishing would sound if they went with different vocalists.  These covers are amazing.

And let's not forget, but they did do a *real* version of Our New World with Lzzy Hale:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_m-NngPzJA which was probably a test to see how it would be received to see if they'd take it any further.

Yes, Chego's videos are all kinds of awesome, but I'll take James singing Our New World any day of the week. The album proper should be James and James only. If they ever want to expand the production for a one off, or some sort of Vegas residency thing, then fine, have multiple vocalist. But this is a Dream Theater album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Adami on June 03, 2018, 07:04:29 PM
I'd prefer multiple vocalists, personally. I know DT fans tend to be purists, but this seems like a good chance to try very new things, but sadly they greatly limited where they were willing to go.

Maybe if it had been a John Petrucci and Jordan Ruddess presents...kind of thing, the purist fans wouldn't be so angry at multiple vocalists.

Also the idea that because Ayreon does multiple vocalists, therefore Dream Theater isn't allowed to is just odd. It's like saying Dream Theater shouldn't write riffs that sound a bit like Metallica or Rush because those bands do that already.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on June 03, 2018, 08:11:54 PM
I'd prefer multiple vocalists, personally. I know DT fans tend to be purists, but this seems like a good chance to try very new things, but sadly they greatly limited where they were willing to go.

Maybe if it had been a John Petrucci and Jordan Ruddess presents...kind of thing, the purist fans wouldn't be so angry at multiple vocalists.

Also the idea that because Ayreon does multiple vocalists, therefore Dream Theater isn't allowed to is just odd. It's like saying Dream Theater shouldn't write riffs that sound a bit like Metallica or Rush because those bands do that already.

Exactly! Ayreon better not make another album, 'cause Avantasia's already putting out a new one next year.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Lethean on June 03, 2018, 08:31:26 PM
I'm not at all saying that Dream Theater isn't "allowed" to have multiple vocalists because Ayreon does.  What I am saying is that the album - in my opinion of course - would not be as good as it is had they done so.  I don't think that by not having multiple singers that they didn't go "all the way." They certainly did, and more singers aren't required to make the concept complete.

The Ayreon comment - had they used those particular vocalists, well, they'd still be "allowed" to do it, but it would certainly be reminiscent of Ayreon, especially with Anneke. I've seen her live, and I appreciate what she does, but James nailed that performance (studio and live), and it's better with him doing it.  I've also seen Devin, and I like him a lot, but again - same thing.  I'll take James as Lord Nafaryus any day.

If this makes me a Dream Theater purist, so be it.  I think it just makes me a fan of what James LaBrie did on that album.  In my opinion, he put everything into it and turned in the performance of a lifetime.  It's my favorite vocal performance period, and I wouldn't trade a second of it to have anyone else on that album - not even other favorite singers of mine, certainly not Anneke using too much vibrato while singing A Life Left Behind. 

If I ever for a second doubted the above feelings, any doubt was erased when they released that version with Lzzy Hale.  Don't mind them doing it as it's not on the album, but I wasn't a fan of her voice on it at all.

Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Adami on June 03, 2018, 08:37:24 PM
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Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on June 03, 2018, 08:39:15 PM
 :lol

Hey, I agree. James did awesome. But if I had a choice between hearing James sing Faythe's parts and any female singer instead, I'm going with the female singer.  And if the late Chris Lee was still around, I'd TOTALLY want him doing Nafaryus's parts, now that I think about it.  :2metal: #rhapsody
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Adami on June 03, 2018, 08:43:41 PM
I will agree that I wouldn't want Anneke or Devin on the album, though I love them both.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Lethean on June 03, 2018, 09:12:22 PM
:lol

Hey, I agree. James did awesome. But if I had a choice between hearing James sing Faythe's parts and any female singer instead, I'm going with the female singer.  And if the late Chris Lee was still around, I'd TOTALLY want him doing Nafaryus's parts, now that I think about it.  :2metal: #rhapsody

Should they have brought in a female singer for Goodnight Kiss too?









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Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on June 03, 2018, 09:22:34 PM
I dunno, I was 11 so I didn't know any good female singers at that age :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 03, 2018, 09:41:08 PM
I completely love TA the way it is, and it's James' vocal masterpiece indeed. However, it would've been really cool to have only one female singer doing all the female character parts, with James singing all the male character parts (which is most of the album, anyway). They could've chosen (pun intended) a very good female singer for the album and brought her with them on the tour, and it wouldn't have been like taking a whole cast or anything like that.

Back to the guest appearances thing on DT albums, I think it's a great idea if done right. The LITS thing with Dug Pinnick didn't work that well, but if we look at the others like Theresa Thomason on SFAM or Eugene Friesen playing cello on Vacant, they can help make the album better. Now, with DT14, I think they could add a couple extra elements like a female singer doing a duet with James on a song or bring in a couple instrumentalists that play different things and add new flavors to a song. Didn't the Dregs violinist play on TBOT? That's what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 03, 2018, 09:55:17 PM
Theresa would've been perfect i think for Faythe.

But it was just a thought I had.

I fucking love the album immensely. Love James' vocals and his different styles for each character. Wish we got more Arabelle dialogue though, he used his nice warm somber style for her. And I find the buildup to "My Music Player" beautiful with JPs run. I dont have any problem with that lyric. I mean how else you gonna represent Faythes greatest gift of all.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Lethean on June 03, 2018, 10:04:46 PM
Theresa would've been perfect i think for Faythe.

But it was just a thought I had.

I fucking love the album immensely. Love James' vocals and his different styles for each character. Wish we got more Arabelle dialogue though, he used his nice warm somber style for her. And I find the buildup to "My Music Player" beautiful with JPs run. I dont have any problem with that lyric. I mean how else you gonna represent Faythes greatest gift of all.

I like the Arabelle voice too.  :)  And I agree with you about the music player.  I thought it was kinda cheesy the first time I listened to it, and I get why people don't like it, but it does make sense.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on June 03, 2018, 10:06:02 PM
Also the idea that because Ayreon does multiple vocalists, therefore Dream Theater isn't allowed to is just odd.

Dream Theater is a band made up of 5 guys who have specific roles within the group, and have ever since their inception, allowing for the few changes made over the years. Ayreon is a musical project conceived and written by one individual, specifically designed to feature different musicians and vocalists.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Adami on June 03, 2018, 10:30:00 PM
Also the idea that because Ayreon does multiple vocalists, therefore Dream Theater isn't allowed to is just odd.

Dream Theater is a band made up of 5 guys who have specific roles within the group, and have ever since their inception, allowing for the few changes made over the years. Ayreon is a musical project conceived and written by one individual, specifically designed to feature different musicians and vocalists.

Indeed. So?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on June 03, 2018, 10:45:05 PM
Maybe I missed a post, but I wasn't aware anyone was making the argument you were arguing against. So I found your post a bit of a non-sequitur. Otherwise I agree with your statement. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Adami on June 03, 2018, 10:50:55 PM
Maybe I missed a post, but I wasn't aware anyone was making the argument you were arguing against. So I found your post a bit of a non-sequitur. Otherwise I agree with your statement.

It was in response to the idea that DT shouldn’t use multiple vocalists, and that if you want to hear an album with multiple vocalists, you should listen to Aryeon.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 03, 2018, 10:58:27 PM
Selfishly, I would have loved for it to be called a little side project rather than this sort of weird album that in my opinion doesn't fit in with the rest of their catalog.

Fair enough, but by "little side project" do you mean no tour? Just an album release? Because it would either have to be an album with no tour, which probably wouldn't have been financially feasible, of what we ended up with, which would have meant no "actual" DT activity for several years.


Well, I would have been ok with it being a "big side project" with a tour and all.  I'm well aware that the DT name made it much more financially feasible to pull something like that off but in my own perfect world it could have had the DT name in some fashion but since I see it more as "DTish," either way I wouldn't be *happy* with the break from what I consider normal DT records but I would have been more ok with it. 

I mean, it could have been done kind of like Metallica and Lou Reed's Lulu.  Not technically a Metallica album but still sort of a Metallica album.  Like that...except the Astonishing is better than Lulu.  See, even I don't hate TA *that* much to say it is on par or worse than Lulu. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on June 03, 2018, 11:29:03 PM
Maybe I missed a post, but I wasn't aware anyone was making the argument you were arguing against. So I found your post a bit of a non-sequitur. Otherwise I agree with your statement.

It was in response to the idea that DT shouldn’t use multiple vocalists, and that if you want to hear an album with multiple vocalists, you should listen to Aryeon.

Well yeah, that is not a good argument. What one band does shouldn't dictate what another band does. Nor should it dictate what a listener chooses to listen to.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 04, 2018, 01:36:36 AM
I think it all comes down to personal taste. Those who like The Astonishing are perfectly happy with it the way it is, and those who don't wish it to be more detached from DT's name, and so being so different to the point that becomes a "JP and JR presents" kind of thing and less of a "DT album" thing.

And The Astonishing is more in line with DT's previous output than Lulu is with Metallica's output. Imagine if "An evening with JP and JR" would have had vocal lines for James to sing, now THAT would have truly been a WTF (albeit beautiful) DT album if, released as such. The Astonishing is still Dream Theater, it's not that if it wasn't for James singing you could never ever tell it's JP and JR who wrote it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Fritzinger on June 04, 2018, 03:53:01 AM
I think it all comes down to personal taste. Those who like The Astonishing are perfectly happy with it the way it is, and those who don't wish it to be more detached from DT's name, and so being so different to the point that becomes a "JP and JR presents" kind of thing and less of a "DT album" thing.

And The Astonishing is more in line with DT's previous output than Lulu is with Metallica's output. Imagine if "An evening with JP and JR" would have had vocal lines for James to sing, now THAT would have truly been a WTF (albeit beautiful) DT album if, released as such. The Astonishing is still Dream Theater, it's not that if it wasn't for James singing you could never ever tell it's JP and JR who wrote it.

And MP would have completely lost it  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 04, 2018, 04:08:09 AM
Hey, maybe that could have been the solution to the 2010 split. "ok, tell you what Mike, you stay in the band, but you simply don't do anything because we're gonna do a guitar / piano album"  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 04, 2018, 07:08:16 AM
Guys, guys, guys... No need to debate this, clearly the band should have released two versions of TA. The first being the version we all know with James singing all the parts. The second being a version with vocalists for each character. It would make like almost 5 hours of DT music. Win win.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 04, 2018, 08:16:56 AM
Guys, guys, guys... No need to debate this, clearly the band should have released two versions of TA. The first being the version we all know with James singing all the parts. The second being a version with vocalists for each character. It would make like almost 5 hours of DT music. Win win.

Additional bonus disc on the super deluxe edition: a disc of covers of what was on Faythe's music player  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: AngelBack on June 04, 2018, 08:30:18 AM
Guys, guys, guys... No need to debate this, clearly the band should have released two versions of TA. The first being the version we all know with James singing all the parts. The second being a version with vocalists for each character. It would make like almost 5 hours of DT music. Win win.

Additional bonus disc on the super deluxe edition: a disc of covers of what was on Faythe's music player  :biggrin:

Sons of Sons of Sons of Sons of Apollo ?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Zydar on June 04, 2018, 08:32:06 AM
JM does a capella renditions of the NOMAC tracks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on June 04, 2018, 08:35:49 AM
I like James doing all the vocal parts, and I feel like he knocked it out of the park.  I think there are some practical difficulties that present themselves if DT would have used guests.  If they used guests for only SOME of the characters, and had James play multiple ones, I think it would feel kind of strange.  And if they used guest vocalists and didn't have them on the tour, then THAT would have felt strange.  All in all, I really like the way they did it.  James' performance was fantastic. 

That said, if they had chosen to have different vocalists, I'm sure I would have enjoyed that too.  It sounds really cool on, say, Avantasia's stuff.  I'm sure DT would have made it sound amazing with multiple vocalists had they chosen to go that direction.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 04, 2018, 10:04:50 AM
Guys, guys, guys... No need to debate this, clearly the band should have released two versions of TA. The first being the version we all know with James singing all the parts. The second being a version with vocalists for each character. It would make like almost 5 hours of DT music. Win win.

Additional bonus disc on the super deluxe edition: a disc of covers of what was on Faythe's music player  :biggrin:


Technically, It's Bugs'/Nefaryus' music player.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on June 04, 2018, 11:00:45 AM
I've always wanted more guest appearances but I'm not going to hold my breath. I really like the additions they brought to Falling Into Infinity for example and guest appearances on songs are usually nice. Would be cool for a single or something at least.

Oh god no. Wasn't there just one guest appearance on FII? And it was awful. (minority opinion here, I know...). Guest appearances can enhance a song, but I don't know if I want it from DT.

Yeah...I can't think of anything on FII other than the one guy who sang the "crown of thorns" line, and I agree with you that it was terrible.  That doesn't mean that future guest appearances can't be good.  However, I can't really think of many instance in which a band I liked had a "guest appearance" that I liked.  Fates Warning having Kevin Moore play keys on a couple of pre-APSOG songs (e.g., "At Fates Hands"), and when JLB sang BG vox on "Life in Still Water" are notable exceptions (although I can't really hear JLB on LiSW).  "The Spirit Carries On" worked well also, and I think maybe The Astonishing would have resonated more with me if there had been multiple vocalists.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on June 04, 2018, 11:45:47 AM
I don't understand why people think that FII guest spot is bad. I think it's pretty cool. Even if I didn't like it I think it would still be far from 'bad' or even 'awful' ...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on June 04, 2018, 11:48:32 AM
I don't understand why people think that FII guest spot is bad. I think it's pretty cool. Even if I didn't like it I think it would still be far from 'bad' or even 'awful' ...

Yeah, I'm with you.  Apparently, Doug Pinnick's voice is polarizing.  Why that is, I don't have any idea.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bill1971 on June 04, 2018, 11:50:54 AM
Guys, guys, guys... No need to debate this, clearly the band should have released two versions of TA. The first being the version we all know with James singing all the parts. The second being a version with vocalists for each character. It would make like almost 5 hours of DT music. Win win.

Additional bonus disc on the super deluxe edition: a disc of covers of what was on Faythe's music player  :biggrin:


Technically, It's Bugs'/Nefaryus' music player.

Nefaryus Awesome Mix Volume 1
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 04, 2018, 03:12:59 PM
I don't understand why people think that FII guest spot is bad. I think it's pretty cool. Even if I didn't like it I think it would still be far from 'bad' or even 'awful' ...

Yeah, I'm with you.  Apparently, Doug Pinnick's voice is polarizing.  Why that is, I don't have any idea.  :dunno:

To Doug's credit, the song would have been equally bad without him.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on June 04, 2018, 03:16:54 PM
Some bands handle guests really well.  Like Kamelot always seems to find a good younger female to feature on their albums and tour with them before moving onto someone else.  While I would welcome it from DT, they've never really came off as a band that has interest in using guests.  Maybe its better off they don't, also I have no issue with Pinnick in LitS, but I wasn't crazy about Hale in Our New World although I loved the idea/attempt at doing a TA song with a guest singer.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 04, 2018, 03:28:10 PM
After having heard him sing, the only guest vocalist I want on the new album is Jordan Rudess. Whenever there should be need for a backing vocal or an overlayed one, let's just have him for a little touch of variety, just like Portnoy was doing (but not as much, just a little addition for a single song as a novelty).
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on June 04, 2018, 03:41:17 PM
After having heard him sing, the only guest vocalist I want on the new album is Jordan Rudess. Whenever there should be need for a backing vocal or an overlayed one, let's just have him for a little touch of variety, just like Portnoy was doing (but not as much, just a little addition for a single song as a novelty).

I haven't heard his voice singing, but I'm all for this if he can do it live as well.  It would be cool to take away the piped in back up vocals and add a live voice.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pcs90 on June 04, 2018, 08:08:43 PM
I don't understand why people think that FII guest spot is bad. I think it's pretty cool. Even if I didn't like it I think it would still be far from 'bad' or even 'awful' ...

I agree. Honestly I feel it adds to the song and fits the vibe well.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Evai on June 05, 2018, 01:20:11 AM
It was just an odd decision for a DT song, to have someone adlb after each line. I mean, can you imagine?

Pull me under (Pull me under oohh yeah yeah)
I'm not afraid (I'm noooot afraid, oooh yeah)
All that I feel (ALL THAT I FEEyyeeeal)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on June 05, 2018, 05:27:47 AM
It was just an odd decision for a DT song, to have someone adlb after each line. I mean, can you imagine?

Pull me under (Pull me under oohh yeah yeah)
I'm not afraid (I'm noooot afraid, oooh yeah)
All that I feel (ALL THAT I FEEyyeeeal)

PMU is a totally different beast from LitS. In LitS, I think it suits the song quite well and adds a texture that makes the song more interesting (it is already a very good song). The only whim I have is on the last chorus when Doug's voice saturates. I can't believe they could not solve the problem on production.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 05, 2018, 09:23:06 AM
It was just an odd decision for a DT song, to have someone adlb after each line. I mean, can you imagine?

Pull me under (Pull me under oohh yeah yeah)
I'm not afraid (I'm noooot afraid, oooh yeah)
All that I feel (ALL THAT I FEEyyeeeal)

 :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ZirconBlue on June 05, 2018, 07:49:52 PM
It was just an odd decision for a DT song, to have someone adlb after each line. I mean, can you imagine?

Pull me under (Pull me under oohh yeah yeah)
I'm not afraid (I'm noooot afraid, oooh yeah)
All that I feel (ALL THAT I FEEyyeeeal)


Have you heard the demo?  It wasn't "adlib".
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: dparrott on June 06, 2018, 07:51:47 AM
JM does a capella renditions of the NOMAC tracks.

JP doing NOMAC tracks on guitar!!!   :metal :metal :metal  That's the kind of guitar effects I want to hear!  Pink Floyd did more atmospheric sounds 50 years ago than DT does now.  With today's technology, that could be mind blowing!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Evai on June 06, 2018, 12:30:11 PM
Have you heard the demo?  It wasn't "adlib".

I don't hear any 'yeah yeah yeahs' on the demo (I couldn't make it through the whole thing so I could be wrong though)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on June 08, 2018, 01:43:49 AM
JM does a capella renditions of the NOMAC tracks.

JP doing NOMAC tracks on guitar!!!   :metal :metal :metal  That's the kind of guitar effects I want to hear!  Pink Floyd did more atmospheric sounds 50 years ago than DT does now.  With today's technology, that could be mind blowing!

It's called the Misunderstood solo? :p
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Fritzinger on June 08, 2018, 06:25:03 AM
JM does a capella renditions of the NOMAC tracks.

JP doing NOMAC tracks on guitar!!!   :metal :metal :metal  That's the kind of guitar effects I want to hear!  Pink Floyd did more atmospheric sounds 50 years ago than DT does now.  With today's technology, that could be mind blowing!

I honestly think that those sound effects were so authentic and atmospheric BECAUSE they didn't have today's technology. PF had to put in a lot of effort to create that stuff. Now you can press on a button and a sound effect comes out. And the temptation to do that is just too high (see The Shaman's Trance).
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on June 08, 2018, 08:15:33 AM
I was right there with you up until you gave the example of The Shaman's Trance.  I literally have no idea what you are referring to there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Fritzinger on June 08, 2018, 08:35:41 AM
Sorry, I meant Bridges In The Sky. I mean the Shaman's voice in the beginning and the choir. Those effects are fine, but they could have been better in my opinion. Maybe I am wrong, but would it be so incredibly hard to find a Shaman (or someone who actually has such a voice) somewhere? Or ask a local choir to record half a minute of agnus dei? Sure, they wouldn't be sound "effects" anymore, but Pink Floyd couldn't push a key on a keyboard and the ringing of an alarm clock came out.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on June 08, 2018, 08:46:22 AM
whoooooooooooooooooa
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on June 08, 2018, 08:48:27 AM
I knew what song you meant, I just didn't know what you were referring to in the song.  Yeah, I guess I get where you are coming from.  For some reason, I was remembering that it was a recording of someone actually doing those chants in proper voice, and that Jordan had gotten it from a stock sound library.  But I think I was actually misremembering, and that you are right.  I seem to recall Jordan saying that he found the effects patch that does that, which is what he used.  But in any case, whether that is correct or not, I get your point.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RoeDent on June 08, 2018, 09:44:02 AM
Yeah, as I found out recently when I heard the exact same "Agnus Dei" choir (albeit pitched in a different key) at the beginning of The Flower Kings' track Sword of God (off The Rainmaker). In fact, the album begins with a throat singer that sounds a lot like DT's shaman.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Adami on June 08, 2018, 09:49:28 AM
Yea, both of those sounds are (I believe) part of Omnisphere. I know I've come across them when I use it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on June 08, 2018, 09:55:18 AM
Yea, both of those sounds are (I believe) part of Omnisphere. I know I've come across them when I use it.

Bingo!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 08, 2018, 11:03:53 AM
Maybe I am wrong, but would it be so incredibly hard to find a Shaman (or someone who actually has such a voice) somewhere?
whoooooooooooooooooa

Mike Portnoy?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Chino on June 08, 2018, 11:57:51 AM
whoooooooooooooooooa

I put that on at a bar once with one of those internet jukeboxes. The bartender went over to the machine and unplugged it and screamed "Where are we? The fucking rainforest cafe?!"
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2018, 12:03:27 PM
whoooooooooooooooooa

I put that on at a bar once with one of those internet jukeboxes. The bartender went over to the machine and unplugged it and screamed "Where are we? The fucking rainforest cafe?!"

I also had a bar tender unplug the internet jukebox on me for playing a DT song  :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on June 08, 2018, 12:46:21 PM
whoooooooooooooooooa

I put that on at a bar once with one of those internet jukeboxes. The bartender went over to the machine and unplugged it and screamed "Where are we? The fucking rainforest cafe?!"

I also had a bar tender unplug the internet jukebox on me for playing a DT song  :rollin

I once put Metropolis and ACoS on at a pizza place where my son's baseball team was having a gathering.  It was fun to see two or three faces light up when they recognized the song.  I might have gone postal if someone had unplugged the jukebox.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Architeuthis on June 08, 2018, 03:07:12 PM
  Maybe I am wrong, but would it be so incredibly hard to find a Shaman (or someone who actually has such a voice) somewhere?
Perhaps James Earl Jones?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2018, 03:09:18 PM
JP posted a video on his facebook of the scenery at the studio.  Looks like they are mostly set up to start writing and demoing  :metal :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on June 08, 2018, 03:09:51 PM
  Maybe I am wrong, but would it be so incredibly hard to find a Shaman (or someone who actually has such a voice) somewhere?
Perhaps James Earl Jones?

It would be so prog of them to go find a true blue shaman and have him record vox  :justjen
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: goo-goo on June 08, 2018, 03:12:02 PM
JP posted a video on his facebook of the scenery at the studio.  Looks like they are mostly set up to start writing and demoing  :metal :metal

https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/videos/1974052929313376/

Also, check out Mangini's drums. Only one bass drum (probably with double pedal). Everything looks very nice.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on June 08, 2018, 03:37:23 PM
So last week, we were talking about little video bits, and BAM, here it is!


So while I think JP is a master of "corporate speak" and saying nothing, there is a certain genuineness about him, and he seems genuinely excited for this. That has me excited.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on June 08, 2018, 03:49:48 PM
So last week, we were talking about little video bits, and BAM, here it is!


So while I think JP is a master of "corporate speak" and saying nothing, there is a certain genuineness about him, and he seems genuinely excited for this. That has me excited.

Ditto.

It reminds me a little of Bear Tracks.  Any idea where this is?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on June 08, 2018, 03:51:03 PM
Yes, it definitely looked like Bear Tracks. I meant to post that. Didn't Bear Tracks burn down? Perhaps it's been rebuilt. That driveway looked awful familiar.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on June 08, 2018, 04:00:24 PM
Yes, it definitely looked like Bear Tracks. I meant to post that. Didn't Bear Tracks burn down? Perhaps it's been rebuilt. That driveway looked awful familiar.

I think you're thinking of Le Studio.  Bear Tracks closed about ten years ago, but as far as I can tell from Google Maps, the buildings are still there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 08, 2018, 04:03:28 PM
YES!!! Loved this video, sign me in for more :metal

Some interesting things I can gather from it, so far:

- Looks like they're going for a different approach this time. Its's not write and record simultaneously in the studio, like DT12 was. It seems like they just rented a very cool space in the woods to write and demo everything BEFORE entering the studio. This way they can do pre production and get through all the arrangements without the pressure of "must record everything right now".
This probably has to do with them being with IO now and not having a budget as big as they had before to rent the whole studio just to write the album, or maybe not, but this kind of change seems good to me either way.

- Mangini's kit is a bit smaller than usual, as goo-goo pointed out, and some of the cymbals are in a different place/position.  Considering this is just a small room for them to write everything, maybe he got a smaller setup so that it isn't overkill with the full blown kit OR maybe he's going to record the new album on a smaller kit, as he said he was considering it on an interview a while back.

- JP said they're going to live there for the next couple months, that means the writing will probably be finished (assuming he says a couple months because they actually rented it for a couple months and not because he's just saying a "couple" as in "as long as it takes" :lol) by mid August-ish.

As you can tell, I'm very excited about this :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: The Silent Cody on June 08, 2018, 04:32:54 PM
Oh yes!!! I was waiting for this moment to come ;D I love when DTF community are excited, especially when it get's down to new DT album :) I hope that, it will be something big and something which will be better than DT12 and Astonishing ;) But lately, that album grow for me so, maybe it will click soon ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on June 08, 2018, 04:53:10 PM
That's Mangini's practice kit, right?

They'll be together for a couple of months. Have they written an album before with a similar time period?

It also seems that James would be in the studio during the whole process. No wonder he cancelled ProgPower.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: noxon on June 08, 2018, 05:07:08 PM
I do recall JP talking about a place converted to a studio in new york they were planning to rent for a couple of months. I do not know if this is it. It might be.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 08, 2018, 05:09:35 PM
Yes, it definitely looked like Bear Tracks. I meant to post that. Didn't Bear Tracks burn down? Perhaps it's been rebuilt. That driveway looked awful familiar.

I think you're thinking of Le Studio.  Bear Tracks closed about ten years ago, but as far as I can tell from Google Maps, the buildings are still there.

Didn't burn.  Was being sold as a residence.  There were tons of pictures from a realty site available online. 



I will echo everything that's been said.  I'm psyched they are going this route. 
That's Mangini's practice kit, right?

They'll be together for a couple of months. Have they written an album before with a similar time period?

It also seems that James would be in the studio during the whole process. No wonder he cancelled ProgPower.

Yeah, even though he said it had nothing to do with DT, and I'm not necessarily calling him a liar, I think it was just a PR move and it really was about the recording/writing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 08, 2018, 05:37:37 PM
JP got two baritone guitars there, this might end up in some very heavy riffage :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on June 08, 2018, 05:46:58 PM
Oops. Scratch that. If the writing would be a couple of months, that would be June to August. It would not hit the September Prog Power date. So maybe DT did not really force James to cancel, but the length of writing the album would not give him enough time to prepare with his solo band.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Architeuthis on June 08, 2018, 05:52:41 PM
Nice!  That looks like a good recording environment.   Definitely excited to hear what they come up with.  :coolio
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: goo-goo on June 08, 2018, 05:57:23 PM
I find it a little bit hard to believe that they won't be recording at the same time however it's exciting to see that they will probably demo some of the material/ideas brought in. Maybe this studio has another room where the drums will be fully mic'd ready to record. The rest of the instruments can be recorded in the control room or something. Anyways, it's always exciting to see DT in the studio.

-2 months to demo
-2-4 weeks to record
-2-4 weeks to mix/master
-2-3 months for record label promo/prepare release
-Possibly Nov or January release
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: PepeLePew on June 08, 2018, 11:46:42 PM
So last week, we were talking about little video bits, and BAM, here it is!


So while I think JP is a master of "corporate speak" and saying nothing, there is a certain genuineness about him, and he seems genuinely excited for this. That has me excited.

That is exactly what I thought, too. He seems so excited to start this new cycle that I can't help being very excited myself (not that I mind...)
I hope they will give us more video bits with everyboday actually IN the studio.  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on June 09, 2018, 03:07:08 AM
So last week, we were talking about little video bits, and BAM, here it is!


So while I think JP is a master of "corporate speak" and saying nothing, there is a certain genuineness about him, and he seems genuinely excited for this. That has me excited.

That is exactly what I thought, too. He seems so excited to start this new cycle that I can't help being very excited myself (not that I mind...)
I hope they will give us more video bits with everyboday actually IN the studio.  :metal

Everybody
in the studio. That sounds wonderful to my ears! And demos? Yeah, baby, bring 'em to me! Really excited as you can see. Can't wait to see and hear what the guys will do this time.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Fritzinger on June 09, 2018, 03:25:50 AM
Very hyped for this. The environment reminds me of how Genesis recorded The Lamb. Just get out of civilization, find a quiet space, and make some f**kin awesome music  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Mladen on June 09, 2018, 03:32:29 AM
I love that video. I wish I ever had the experience writing an album in such an environment.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Logain Ablar on June 09, 2018, 06:51:20 AM
Great little video, and nice to see everyone will be together in the same room for the writing sessions.

I hope they do more of these vids. I’m interested in the process of writing/recording, as well as the end result.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 09, 2018, 09:50:31 AM
Saw it too. Nice that from the get go they try to keep fans aware and interested!

BTW, was there totally a notification alert when the video was being recorded?  :lol these days, you can't even shoot a video for your fans without someone messaging you.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 09, 2018, 11:06:41 AM
Cool stuff, nice little video.

Definitely seems like a different approach this time, that room is certainly a rehearsal space not a recording studio. So if they plan on being there for a couple months just writing and demoing, they certainly are taking a different approach (I believe they have been writing in the studio for many cycles).

I love the idea of these guys basically living together in a rehearsal space for a couple months - hopefully that will give them time to work ideas out, demo, listen back, adjust as needed, etc... before entering the studio.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 09, 2018, 11:22:16 AM
You know who really loves this...Myung. Didn't he say he misses hanging out and just jamming/writing.

I'm excited just for that fact. They're all in the studio just writing and demoing. No worry of recording a final product.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 09, 2018, 12:19:47 PM
I love the idea of these guys basically living together in a rehearsal space for a couple months - hopefully that will give them time to work ideas out, demo, listen back, adjust as needed, etc... before entering the studio.

Indeed! Angra did the same thing for their latest album, and it is :metal

You know who really loves this...Myung. Didn't he say he misses hanging out and just jamming/writing.

Count Mangini in there too. He’s expressed multiple times the desire to collaborate more with the writing and he’s getting the chance this time, as with DT12, where some of the best parts are bass/drums sections.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: KevShmev on June 09, 2018, 01:52:42 PM
As much as I like The Astonishing, which was basically a 2-man writing job, I love seeing that this album will be all five guys in a room to write and record together.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Anxiety35 on June 09, 2018, 06:35:49 PM
As much as I like The Astonishing, which was basically a 2-man writing job, I love seeing that this album will be all five guys in a room to write and record together.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Also, it will be different (in a good way) for them to have demos on file and then enter the studio to record. Just go in and blast out the finished product.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 09, 2018, 07:13:49 PM
I could be wrong, but wasn't TOT the last time they demoed everything before going to record the album?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 10, 2018, 01:39:53 AM
I could be wrong, but wasn't TOT the last time they demoed everything before going to record the album?

I believe you're right. 

Although you almost can't even call that demoing.  They wrote the songs in a practice space, had some live run throughs and then recorded them.  The "demos" released on Ytse Jam were just a live version of the songs with no vocals.  I'm unclear if they did in fact write vocals melodies at the time and just never put them down or if they waited to write that portion until after the songs were written.  I think it's the latter although James was in the practice space with them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Fritzinger on June 10, 2018, 02:23:57 AM
I wonder what James will be doing there all the time... The JP, JR, JM and MM are jamming on their instruments, it's not like JLB will improvise some soaring vocal lines with random words  :lol

I love that they're approaching their new album like this, but I just picture JLB standing there watching the guys and sometimes saying something like "hey Jordan can you play that one thing again, the thing before the other thing? That was pretty kewl"
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 10, 2018, 02:54:53 AM
I wonder what James will be doing there all the time... The JP, JR, JM and MM are jamming on their instruments, it's not like JLB will improvise some soaring vocal lines with random words  :lol

Well, maybe he should! or at the very least, get the "feel" of the song as they're coming to be!

I love that they're approaching their new album like this, but I just picture JLB standing there watching the guys and sometimes saying something like "hey Jordan can you play that one thing again, the thing before the other thing? That was pretty kewl"

...however, this is most likely how it's gonna go  :lol

(But now, seriously: how much people in a band, including the singer, know about each other's instruments? I mean in terms of correctly describing chords, progressions, toms and cymbals, arpeggios and staccatos, stuff like that)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 11, 2018, 09:19:50 AM
I wonder what James will be doing there all the time... The JP, JR, JM and MM are jamming on their instruments, it's not like JLB will improvise some soaring vocal lines with random words  :lol

Well, maybe he should! or at the very least, get the "feel" of the song as they're coming to be!

I love that they're approaching their new album like this, but I just picture JLB standing there watching the guys and sometimes saying something like "hey Jordan can you play that one thing again, the thing before the other thing? That was pretty kewl"

...however, this is most likely how it's gonna go  :lol

(But now, seriously: how much people in a band, including the singer, know about each other's instruments? I mean in terms of correctly describing chords, progressions, toms and cymbals, arpeggios and staccatos, stuff like that)

I might be wrong, but I definitely think the vocal melodies can benefit from having the singer there during the writing process. I think that will (hopefully) allow James to have some more input into the melodies and the phrasing which will hopefully make the material a little easier live.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on June 11, 2018, 10:00:34 AM
I could be wrong, but wasn't TOT the last time they demoed everything before going to record the album?

I believe you're right. 

Although you almost can't even call that demoing.  They wrote the songs in a practice space, had some live run throughs and then recorded them.  The "demos" released on Ytse Jam were just a live version of the songs with no vocals.  I'm unclear if they did in fact write vocals melodies at the time and just never put them down or if they waited to write that portion until after the songs were written.  I think it's the latter although James was in the practice space with them.

But remember that with TOT, they had an initial writing session (and they may have done SOME recording--I don't remember for sure), took a break (the Escape from the Studio Tour, with Queensryche and Fates Warning), and then went back into the studio to finish up.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on June 11, 2018, 10:11:50 AM
I might be wrong, but I definitely think the vocal melodies can benefit from having the singer there during the writing process. I think that will (hopefully) allow James to have some more input into the melodies and the phrasing which will hopefully make the material a little easier live.

I hate to sound like an ass, but no shit having the singer involved in the writing of the vocal melodies is a good idea.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 11, 2018, 10:26:07 AM
JP shared on social media that today is the first day of writing for DT14 :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on June 11, 2018, 10:31:52 AM
(But now, seriously: how much people in a band, including the singer, know about each other's instruments? I mean in terms of correctly describing chords, progressions, toms and cymbals, arpeggios and staccatos, stuff like that)

Well...in this band, I think everyone knows that they all know quite a bit about music theory, and I would be shocked if each of the four instrumentalists didn't know a great deal about each other's instruments.  Chords, progressions and arpeggios are chords, progressions and arpeggios, whether they're played on a guitar, a keyboard, a harmonica, a bass flute or a tubax.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 11, 2018, 10:52:33 AM
I might be wrong, but I definitely think the vocal melodies can benefit from having the singer there during the writing process. I think that will (hopefully) allow James to have some more input into the melodies and the phrasing which will hopefully make the material a little easier live.

I hate to sound like an ass, but no shit having the singer involved in the writing of the vocal melodies is a good idea.

 :lol Chill out man, gheez.

I only mention it because there have been many instances in DT's history where it seems like James was just handed parts and asked to sing them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on June 11, 2018, 11:22:59 AM
I was agreeing with you 100%. I just thought what you said was so obvious how could anyone not recognize it. And yeah just hand in the singer vocal lines with the instruction "here, sing this" isn't always the best route. Heck they wrote I&W without a singer in place. "Well I hope whoever we hire can sing these ridiculous lines."
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 11, 2018, 11:26:22 AM
I could be wrong, but wasn't TOT the last time they demoed everything before going to record the album?

I believe you're right. 

Although you almost can't even call that demoing.  They wrote the songs in a practice space, had some live run throughs and then recorded them.  The "demos" released on Ytse Jam were just a live version of the songs with no vocals.  I'm unclear if they did in fact write vocals melodies at the time and just never put them down or if they waited to write that portion until after the songs were written.  I think it's the latter although James was in the practice space with them.

But remember that with TOT, they had an initial writing session (and they may have done SOME recording--I don't remember for sure), took a break (the Escape from the Studio Tour, with Queensryche and Fates Warning), and then went back into the studio to finish up.

So are you saying they wrote more once they left the practice space and entered the studio?  Because my understanding was they wrote the album minus Vacant in the rehearsal space, did the live run through (that is available on Ytsejam) and at that point entered the studio, did the tour, and then came back to the studio. 

So I thought the whole album minus Vacant was written and live demoed at the rehearsal space and then they entered the studio.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 11, 2018, 01:20:26 PM
JP shared on social media that today is the first day of writing for DT14 :metal

(https://pics.me.me/so-it-begins-28763841.png)


Like this, but with more enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 11, 2018, 03:48:40 PM
I could be wrong, but wasn't TOT the last time they demoed everything before going to record the album?

I believe you're right. 

Although you almost can't even call that demoing.  They wrote the songs in a practice space, had some live run throughs and then recorded them.  The "demos" released on Ytse Jam were just a live version of the songs with no vocals.  I'm unclear if they did in fact write vocals melodies at the time and just never put them down or if they waited to write that portion until after the songs were written.  I think it's the latter although James was in the practice space with them.

But remember that with TOT, they had an initial writing session (and they may have done SOME recording--I don't remember for sure), took a break (the Escape from the Studio Tour, with Queensryche and Fates Warning), and then went back into the studio to finish up.

So are you saying they wrote more once they left the practice space and entered the studio?  Because my understanding was they wrote the album minus Vacant in the rehearsal space, did the live run through (that is available on Ytsejam) and at that point entered the studio, did the tour, and then came back to the studio. 

So I thought the whole album minus Vacant was written and live demoed at the rehearsal space and then they entered the studio.
The whole album was written instrumentally in the rehearsal space, and recordings were made of all the songs. Then they went into the studio and recorded (I believe) the bulk of the music instrumentally. From there, they went on the Escape From the Studio Tour and wrote the lyrics (and I'm pretty sure the vocal melodies, since the vocal melodies were the responsibility of the one writing the lyrics). After the tour ended, they returned to the studio to finish up recording the instruments and all the vocals.

edit: And to be clear, I don't know where you got the idea that Vacant was written after the fact. That may have been the case with when WfS was written in relation to LtL, but not here. According to the liner notes for the ToT demos, Vacant was song #5, written before TDS and SoC.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on June 12, 2018, 12:32:32 AM
JP shared on social media that today is the first day of writing for DT14 :metal

The countdown has begun! Yeah, baby! :metal

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on June 12, 2018, 03:31:05 AM
DT is writing the next album, so I quote: "Destiny has shown his face, and now the time has coooome!"  :rollin

JP's video reminds me of the video they made during the SDOIT sessions especially when he said: "our home away from home" and "this is the room where all the magic takes place".

Jokes aside, I'm really excited that the fact they write the album ALL together is confirmed. Can't wait for DT14 to come out!

 :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 12, 2018, 07:31:43 AM
Everything is already feeling more fresh - new label, switching the writing/recording process....I think they’re gonna give us something great this time!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 12, 2018, 07:49:55 AM
Everything is already feeling more fresh - new label, switching the writing/recording process....I think they’re gonna give us something great this time!

Well, it's been six years after all since they wrote a regular album. The freshness must be there!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Freddy Jacobi on June 12, 2018, 08:33:42 AM
This has me excited!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on June 12, 2018, 08:37:29 AM
Everything is already feeling more fresh - new label, switching the writing/recording process....I think they’re gonna give us something great this time!

Well, I happen to think they ALWAYS give us something great.  But I do understand what you mean.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 12, 2018, 09:44:56 AM
Everything is already feeling more fresh - new label, switching the writing/recording process....I think they’re gonna give us something great this time!

Well, I happen to think they ALWAYS give us something great.

Indeed :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 12, 2018, 10:17:24 AM
Everything is already feeling more fresh - new label, switching the writing/recording process....I think they’re gonna give us something great this time!

Well, I happen to think they ALWAYS give us something great.  But I do understand what you mean.

Well as do I, I loved The Astonishing, and everything else
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: SeRoX on June 12, 2018, 10:57:36 AM
I hope we see a photo 5 man together in the house.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 12, 2018, 11:33:13 AM
Something interesting I just noticed, there's no 8 string guitar on the video tour JP posted the other day. Since they're already writing the songs and EBMM hasn't made a prototype yet, I don't think JP will use an 8 string at all on this album, unless Jordan lets him borrow his...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on June 12, 2018, 11:49:56 AM
Something interesting I just noticed, there's no 8 string guitar on the video tour JP posted the other day. Since they're already writing the songs and EBMM hasn't made a prototype yet, I don't think JP will use an 8 string at all on this album, unless Jordan lets him borrow his...

Maybe they'll use the 8 string during the arrangement sessions, for now they are only writing the music.. I also noticed that MM's drum kit is lacking the double bass, and the kit is smaller. Maybe they just write the album and then work on the arrangement later on, with the extended drum set and maybe the 8 string guitar..  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Nathan Explosion on June 12, 2018, 12:52:38 PM
Pretty pumped,I hope Petrucci keeps us updated throughout the process.

Looks like a nice place to make an album
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 12, 2018, 01:26:00 PM
Random thought, but this will be the first "regular" DT album in five or six years. Don't get me wrong - The Astonishing is obviously a DT album and I really enjoyed it. But it was also an oddball, which is not a bad thing, but it might make this new record feel like more of an event.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on June 12, 2018, 01:50:01 PM
DTF Meetup!! :metal

 :rollin Damn I was just gonna write that, but I guess I was ninja'd :D

We know where they are! Let's go there!!!!!!!  :biggrin:

I'll be in NYC next week.  I can rent a car and drive up.  Next Friday?!

... untill one of them realizes you're stalking them and they release Beartrucci to go for you :lol

Or that it's two hours from NYC  :lol

I'm pretty excited the guys secluded themselves in a pretty scenic area together to work on this.  Something magical could be brewing in that barn.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on June 13, 2018, 12:21:57 AM
New album thread? Hell yeah I wanna be updated on this :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ChuckSteak on June 13, 2018, 05:38:13 AM
Everything is already feeling more fresh - new label, switching the writing/recording process....I think they’re gonna give us something great this time!
Will they finally get a producer?  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 13, 2018, 07:42:42 AM
Everything is already feeling more fresh - new label, switching the writing/recording process....I think they’re gonna give us something great this time!
Will they finally get a producer?  ;D

I’d be quite satisfied if they got someone to co-produce the album with JP. Best of both worlds.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 13, 2018, 07:57:00 AM
I’d be quite satisfied if they got someone to co-produce the album with JP. Best of both worlds.

While I don't expect this to happen - I think it would be a really positive thing for the band. JP should continue to produce, IMO, he does a good job of steering the ship it seems. Where they need another voice is in the sonics of the album. If they could bring in a producer to help steer the sound of the record and balance out the sound, that would be very beneficial.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 13, 2018, 09:12:03 AM
I’d be quite satisfied if they got someone to co-produce the album with JP. Best of both worlds.

While I don't expect this to happen - I think it would be a really positive thing for the band. JP should continue to produce, IMO, he does a good job of steering the ship it seems. Where they need another voice is in the sonics of the album. If they could bring in a producer to help steer the sound of the record and balance out the sound, that would be very beneficial.

Bingo.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 13, 2018, 01:03:42 PM
Just clarifying something in the discussion - I highly doubt they are actually recording at this place.

JP made it seem like this was where they were writing and demoing everything. I'm assuming they will then travel elsewhere to start actual album tracking. That space and the equipment they have there certainly isn't up to the professional level DT would need to record proper.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 13, 2018, 02:01:20 PM

JP made it seem like this was where they were writing and demoing everything. I'm assuming they will then travel elsewhere to start actual album tracking. That space and the equipment they have there certainly isn't up to the professional level DT would need to record proper.

Yeah....it definitely had a 'hang out' atmosphere going on. Looked to be a creative get away which is really cool.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Nathan Explosion on June 13, 2018, 09:38:20 PM
Jordan posted a photo today captioned: "Keyboard World for the Dream Theater writing sessions." We also see a glimpse of JMX off to the side.

(https://scontent-ort2-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/adaca32cb63af30e77bd13494e8dca63/5BAA3D96/t51.2885-15/e35/34983369_201466583814200_3095149301186166784_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 13, 2018, 10:13:03 PM
Jordan posted a photo today captioned: "Keyboard World for the Dream Theater writing sessions." We also see a glimpse of JMX off to the side.

(https://scontent-ort2-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/adaca32cb63af30e77bd13494e8dca63/5BAA3D96/t51.2885-15/e35/34983369_201466583814200_3095149301186166784_n.jpg)

But what we don't see a glimpse of is an iPad.  Did Derek get under his skin? Or maybe that is all Derek's equipment and Jordan is going to be his keyboard tech?

Sorry, I'm just really trying to guess some stuff off the wall stuff on the off chance the John throws a hissy fit and bans the entire world from ever listening to Dream Theater again but releases the album regardless just to spite all of us that can't listen to it. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on June 13, 2018, 11:34:35 PM
(https://scontent.fmnl4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/35298095_10155780868422989_328951330452275200_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_eui2=AeF17v8W9-zc4_J6cWshu8FBEpYRGfFEQ1Je8uY4KWFftyPTPyaxDRikT-kMW_MHmn--hzn1W549z_nM-Nen2yYyODG1qG1tlu7Yaarq_2IpRDWPdjhCiHk9I5w5oimNagE&oh=9d6bf28c68ee247a10f0df81c0691233&oe=5BB39006)

Jordan just posted this:

"And the riffs are flying"

Looks like Mike is not yet there?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on June 13, 2018, 11:41:25 PM
(https://scontent.fmnl4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/35298095_10155780868422989_328951330452275200_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_eui2=AeF17v8W9-zc4_J6cWshu8FBEpYRGfFEQ1Je8uY4KWFftyPTPyaxDRikT-kMW_MHmn--hzn1W549z_nM-Nen2yYyODG1qG1tlu7Yaarq_2IpRDWPdjhCiHk9I5w5oimNagE&oh=9d6bf28c68ee247a10f0df81c0691233&oe=5BB39006)

Jordan just posted this:

"And the riffs are flying"

Looks like Mike is not yet there?

In JR's instagram he posted a similar photo but with a clear view of the drum set, Mike included..
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ariich on June 13, 2018, 11:54:41 PM
On reflection, I don't think it's a very good idea to be guessing the band's location. I honestly don't even know if the guesses were correct, but if they are then I don't really want DTF to be the cause of a bunch of nerds turning up and disturbing the band from what is clearly deliberately quite a secluded writing space.

Not that I think any of our regulars would do so, but the forum is visible to anyone. :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on June 14, 2018, 12:19:05 AM

In JR's instagram he posted a similar photo but with a clear view of the drum set, Mike included..

I should signup for Instagram. Hehehe. Thanks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Moor on June 14, 2018, 05:08:38 AM
On reflection, I don't think it's a very good idea to be guessing the band's location. I honestly don't even know if the guesses were correct, but if they are then I don't really want DTF to be the cause of a bunch of nerds turning up and disturbing the band from what is clearly deliberately quite a secluded writing space.

Not that I think any of our regulars would do so, but the forum is visible to anyone. :P

Now I understand why my post was "vaporized". Thank you Big Brother  ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: the_silent_man on June 14, 2018, 05:21:59 AM
On reflection, I don't think it's a very good idea to be guessing the band's location. I honestly don't even know if the guesses were correct, but if they are then I don't really want DTF to be the cause of a bunch of nerds turning up and disturbing the band from what is clearly deliberately quite a secluded writing space.

Not that I think any of our regulars would do so, but the forum is visible to anyone. :P

Agreed, this is an easily accessible and well known forum and this thought passed through my head as well.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: AngelBack on June 14, 2018, 05:57:24 AM
So how long until someone deciphers what is on JR's music stand?  It's the DTF way...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 14, 2018, 06:50:10 AM

In JR's instagram he posted a similar photo but with a clear view of the drum set, Mike included..

I should signup for Instagram. Hehehe. Thanks.

Yeah, Jordan posted a much much better pic on intagram than he did on fb.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 14, 2018, 06:52:02 AM
Great to see the guys back in a room together jamming.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Zydar on June 14, 2018, 06:52:15 AM
Here's his Instagram page:

https://www.instagram.com/jcrudess/
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: noxon on June 14, 2018, 07:29:07 AM
The only one we've not seen in the studio (correct me if i'm wrong) is James...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on June 14, 2018, 07:44:33 AM
The only one we've not seen in the studio (correct me if i'm wrong) is James...

"We actually have a singer in this band, one day he'll show up and sing in this microphone" Mike Portnoy - 2001  ;D

Just kidding..  :angel:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on June 14, 2018, 08:09:35 AM
On reflection, I don't think it's a very good idea to be guessing the band's location. I honestly don't even know if the guesses were correct, but if they are then I don't really want DTF to be the cause of a bunch of nerds turning up and disturbing the band from what is clearly deliberately quite a secluded writing space.

Not that I think any of our regulars would do so, but the forum is visible to anyone. :P

Thank you, Rich.  Yes, this is the forum policy on this issue.  Please do not post such clues, guys.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 14, 2018, 08:16:10 AM
The only one we've not seen in the studio (correct me if i'm wrong) is James...

Maybe he’s busy preparing his band for NOT playing ProgPower :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 14, 2018, 08:20:36 AM
The only one we've not seen in the studio (correct me if i'm wrong) is James...

Maybe he’s busy preparing his band for NOT playing ProgPower :biggrin:

 :rollin

But seriously: have we all been assuming James would be there or his presence has been clearly and explicitly confirmed by the other band members?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Nathan Explosion on June 14, 2018, 08:36:23 AM
John said James would be standing about where the camera was in that Facebook video. Although it's probably going to be a little while till it's time for him to sing anything until they figure out the instrumental side of the tracks and lyrics.

Maybe he's outside playing basketball?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muBfZoIsQoA&feature=youtu.be&t=6m7s
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on June 14, 2018, 08:55:53 AM
So how long until someone deciphers what is on JR's music stand?  It's the DTF way...

Looks to me like he edited to blur the music.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: SeRoX on June 14, 2018, 09:25:08 AM
I don't think James is even there but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 14, 2018, 09:28:11 AM
I don't think James is even there but I could be wrong.

He might not be right now, but he's certainly going to be there and be involved in the writing process - based on what the band has said.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on June 14, 2018, 09:37:05 AM
So how long until someone deciphers what is on JR's music stand?  It's the DTF way...

Looks to me like he edited to blur the music.

Smart man haha he knows DTF well enough
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Chino on June 14, 2018, 09:46:34 AM
There was a pic a few years ago that gave away some lyrics. I can't remember what it was (Through the Looking Glass maybe?), but we took an image of the back of a piece of paper, flipped it horizontally and modified the brightness. The words were revealed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 14, 2018, 09:54:19 AM
There was a pic a few years ago that gave away some lyrics. I can't remember what it was (Through the Looking Glass maybe?), but we took an image of the back of a piece of paper, flipped it horizontally and modified the brightness. The words were revealed.

It was The Enemy Inside
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Fritzinger on June 14, 2018, 10:31:47 AM
So how long until someone deciphers what is on JR's music stand?  It's the DTF way...

Maybe Jordan knows that and took a blurry picture on purpose!  :omg:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: rumborak on June 14, 2018, 03:50:47 PM
Guys, there isn't a blur on the picture. It's a transcription of a really fast section, where everything is a blur.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Evai on June 14, 2018, 04:57:44 PM
(https://scontent.fmnl4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/35298095_10155780868422989_328951330452275200_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_eui2=AeF17v8W9-zc4_J6cWshu8FBEpYRGfFEQ1Je8uY4KWFftyPTPyaxDRikT-kMW_MHmn--hzn1W549z_nM-Nen2yYyODG1qG1tlu7Yaarq_2IpRDWPdjhCiHk9I5w5oimNagE&oh=9d6bf28c68ee247a10f0df81c0691233&oe=5BB39006)

Zoomed in and enhanced :)


(https://i.imgur.com/xhoM8IH.gif)

Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 14, 2018, 04:59:32 PM
 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 14, 2018, 07:19:01 PM
Didn’t know where to post this, but Marco Minnemann shared on Instagram that he just recorded a 22 min song for Jordan’s new solo album, and posted a pic of both on a studio. Is Jordan actually working on two albums at the same time?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 15, 2018, 01:02:48 AM
Didn’t know where to post this, but Marco Minnemann shared on Instagram that he just recorded a 22 min song for Jordan’s new solo album, and posted a pic of both on a studio. Is Jordan actually working on two albums at the same time?

Like that would be hard for him  :hat
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on June 15, 2018, 01:24:24 AM
(https://scontent.fmnl4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/35298095_10155780868422989_328951330452275200_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_eui2=AeF17v8W9-zc4_J6cWshu8FBEpYRGfFEQ1Je8uY4KWFftyPTPyaxDRikT-kMW_MHmn--hzn1W549z_nM-Nen2yYyODG1qG1tlu7Yaarq_2IpRDWPdjhCiHk9I5w5oimNagE&oh=9d6bf28c68ee247a10f0df81c0691233&oe=5BB39006)

Zoomed in and enhanced :)


(https://i.imgur.com/xhoM8IH.gif)

Apparently there are four lines in the sheet music instead of five..
DT14: Gregorian Chant music. Confirmed!!

 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Fritzinger on June 15, 2018, 03:14:50 AM
Didn’t know where to post this, but Marco Minnemann shared on Instagram that he just recorded a 22 min song for Jordan’s new solo album, and posted a pic of both on a studio. Is Jordan actually working on two albums at the same time?

I saw that too... How is that even possible??
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: lucasembarbosa on June 15, 2018, 04:51:23 AM
Rudess already recorded most of his solo album, apparently. I place my bet on Minnemann doing drums, Mohini Dey on bass, and Plini on guitars. And of course, JR also on guitars with his new 8-string monster. He shared some thoughts and pics of the process some months ago, so I think these sessions won't be overlapped.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ninjabait on June 15, 2018, 09:47:28 AM
and Plini on guitars.

The Elder or the Younger?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on June 15, 2018, 09:54:14 AM
and Plini on guitars.

The Elder or the Younger?

Well played, sir.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 15, 2018, 10:08:26 AM
James posted on Instagram a couple pics from the studio, so he actually IS there, even though he's in none of them :P

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkDKfYjnGSO/?hl=en&taken-by=jameslabrie.dt
https://www.instagram.com/p/BkDLWH7nJCk/?hl=en&taken-by=jameslabrie.dt

Something interesting from the one with MM: his hi-hats are way on top of his kit now, I feel like this would be very difficult to play, but it's Mangini we're talking about, it's all easy to him anyway :lol

Didn’t know where to post this, but Marco Minnemann shared on Instagram that he just recorded a 22 min song for Jordan’s new solo album, and posted a pic of both on a studio. Is Jordan actually working on two albums at the same time?

Like that would be hard for him  :hat

I was impressed because Marco posted a pic of him playing, with Jordan next to him, which, asumming it isn't an older pic, would mean JR went from one studio with DT to other for Marco's recording on the same day, and that's... astonishing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: goo-goo on June 15, 2018, 10:26:56 AM
I believe the picture with JR and MM is an older pic from the NAMM earlier this year in Anaheim. MM, JR, Plini and Mohini were did a couple of shows in NAMM and I did see some pics in a studio around that time. I'm stoked for this one. I've been on a Plini fringe this past couple of months and saw him with Tesseract.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pcs90 on June 15, 2018, 11:26:27 AM
Rudess already recorded most of his solo album, apparently. I place my bet on Minnemann doing drums, Mohini Dey on bass, and Plini on guitars. And of course, JR also on guitars with his new 8-string monster. He shared some thoughts and pics of the process some months ago, so I think these sessions won't be overlapped.

If Plini is on guitars, with Marco on drums, I'd honestly be more excited for this album than DT's next one at the moment!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Nathan Explosion on June 15, 2018, 01:09:26 PM
New photo from Jordan.
There's a horse, Progressive country album confirmed!

(https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/5659a3e0f6ad889e4f781303ce1dd33e/5BB92476/t51.2885-15/e35/34435053_2166577830228401_2399542432355057664_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on June 15, 2018, 01:25:51 PM
How has there only been one Photoshop/MS Paint of that picture Jordan posted with the sheet music in the background?!?!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Evai on June 15, 2018, 04:37:47 PM
(https://scontent.fmnl4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/35298095_10155780868422989_328951330452275200_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_eui2=AeF17v8W9-zc4_J6cWshu8FBEpYRGfFEQ1Je8uY4KWFftyPTPyaxDRikT-kMW_MHmn--hzn1W549z_nM-Nen2yYyODG1qG1tlu7Yaarq_2IpRDWPdjhCiHk9I5w5oimNagE&oh=9d6bf28c68ee247a10f0df81c0691233&oe=5BB39006)

(https://i.imgur.com/4TooyYQ.jpg)

Yeah this is pretty stupid  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: metropofreak on June 15, 2018, 04:46:12 PM
Something interesting from the one with MM: his hi-hats are way on top of his kit now, I feel like this would be very difficult to play, but it's Mangini we're talking about, it's all easy to him anyway :lol

Wow, that's so weird, thanks for pointing it out! Why on earth would he do that? Maybe its easier to reach with both hands that way?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Schurftkut on June 15, 2018, 05:14:23 PM
there are hi-hats on the normal level. i guess it's just more logical for MM to have some up there when needed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Nathan Explosion on June 15, 2018, 07:01:55 PM
Well Jordan has thrown us a bone.

"Here is my notation from the Dream Theater writing sessions. Good luck!! :)"

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkEND9QHrvR/?hl=en&taken-by=jcrudess
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 15, 2018, 07:12:15 PM
Well Jordan has thrown us a bone.

"Here is my notation from the Dream Theater writing sessions. Good luck!! :)"

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkEND9QHrvR/?hl=en&taken-by=jcrudess

 :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on June 15, 2018, 07:51:27 PM
Something interesting from the one with MM: his hi-hats are way on top of his kit now, I feel like this would be very difficult to play, but it's Mangini we're talking about, it's all easy to him anyway :lol

Wow, that's so weird, thanks for pointing it out! Why on earth would he do that? Maybe its easier to reach with both hands that way?

My guess is that he is already practicing for the recording and one of the consistent issues they have had in previous sessions is how the cymbals were bleeding into the toms and vice versa. I guess they arw putting some distance now to address the problem.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kocak on June 15, 2018, 08:51:27 PM
Something interesting from the one with MM: his hi-hats are way on top of his kit now, I feel like this would be very difficult to play, but it's Mangini we're talking about, it's all easy to him anyway :lol

Wow, that's so weird, thanks for pointing it out! Why on earth would he do that? Maybe its easier to reach with both hands that way?

My guess is that he is already practicing for the recording and one of the consistent issues they have had in previous sessions is how the cymbals were bleeding into the toms and vice versa. I guess they arw putting some distance now to address the problem.

If you enlarge this picture from JLB's Instagram, you can see that he still has 2 hi-hat's next to each rack tom on the sides.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkDKfYjnGSO/?hl=en&taken-by=jameslabrie.dt
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 15, 2018, 09:29:55 PM
Something interesting from the one with MM: his hi-hats are way on top of his kit now, I feel like this would be very difficult to play, but it's Mangini we're talking about, it's all easy to him anyway :lol

Wow, that's so weird, thanks for pointing it out! Why on earth would he do that? Maybe its easier to reach with both hands that way?

My guess is that he is already practicing for the recording and one of the consistent issues they have had in previous sessions is how the cymbals were bleeding into the toms and vice versa. I guess they arw putting some distance now to address the problem.

If you enlarge this picture from JLB's Instagram, you can see that he still has 2 hi-hat's next to each rack tom on the sides.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkDKfYjnGSO/?hl=en&taken-by=jameslabrie.dt

Not really, those are his stacks, he uses 5 of them, from high to low. He only uses 4 hi hats (2 on each side), and all are on the high part of the kit.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ariich on June 15, 2018, 11:03:38 PM
Well Jordan has thrown us a bone.

"Here is my notation from the Dream Theater writing sessions. Good luck!! :)"

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkEND9QHrvR/?hl=en&taken-by=jcrudess
Awesome, JR is trolling us! :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on June 15, 2018, 11:59:09 PM
I'm pretty giddy.

Not sure if this has been talked about already, but I tried looking through some of the videos that were posted, and couldn't find any trace of this fabled 8 string that JP and SB have been talking about for over a year.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 16, 2018, 04:16:57 AM
Maybe now that they're in writing mode they use their usual gear, and once they know which material they'll have, he'll try a heavy song on that guitar.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on June 16, 2018, 04:22:38 AM
Maybe now that they're in writing mode they use their usual gear, and once they know which material they'll have, he'll try a heavy song on that guitar.

This.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 16, 2018, 06:43:29 AM
Maybe now that they're in writing mode they use their usual gear, and once they know which material they'll have, he'll try a heavy song on that guitar.

This.

He can’t try a song on a guitar that doesn’t exist, though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on June 16, 2018, 06:53:06 AM
Maybe now that they're in writing mode they use their usual gear, and once they know which material they'll have, he'll try a heavy song on that guitar.

This.

He can’t try a song on a guitar that doesn’t exist, though.

But he is THE JP!!  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: AngelBack on June 16, 2018, 06:57:31 AM
And on the 7th day JP said "Let there be 8 string" and he saw that it was good.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Anguyen92 on June 16, 2018, 07:12:42 PM
TWITTER UPDATE.  Basically, it's all good vibes.

https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1008154542989602816
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on June 16, 2018, 07:25:40 PM
Awesome. John is so giddy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 16, 2018, 07:44:30 PM
"The five pillars of Dream Theater"

Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 16, 2018, 09:53:05 PM
They posted a longer video on Facebook and confirmed the music is very heavy and aggressive, but also progressive and epic (from JP’s mouth), so it sounds good as always :metal

They also asked to post questions about the album (and more) on the comments, so I basically left a comment with like 10 questions or more :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on June 17, 2018, 01:20:45 AM
They posted a longer video on Facebook and confirmed the music is very heavy and aggressive, but also progressive and epic (from JP’s mouth), so it sounds good as always :metal

They also asked to post questions about the album (and more) on the comments, so I basically left a comment with like 10 questions or more :lol

I like the way they are interacting with fans in this one..
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: YtseJamittaja on June 17, 2018, 01:51:01 AM
Yeah, more of these kind of studio videos with treats! I like what they're doing!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Dellers on June 17, 2018, 02:32:09 AM
I just really hope they use another sound engineer for mixing this time. The last couple of records sound extremely sterile and boring, to the point where I'm not able to enjoy the music that much for that reason alone.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 17, 2018, 03:10:52 AM
The interaction part of it is really cool!

I asked if James' presence since day one means he will have more creative control over the vocal lines and melodies.... we wouldn't want the music to be written all instrumentally, and then whoever wrote the most come up with vocal lines that would make James choke live every night.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Architeuthis on June 17, 2018, 01:57:08 PM
I just really hope they use another sound engineer for mixing this time. The last couple of records sound extremely sterile and boring, to the point where I'm not able to enjoy the music that much for that reason alone.
Hmm, I think TA is mixed and produced very well! 
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on June 17, 2018, 02:33:03 PM
I just really hope they use another sound engineer for mixing this time. The last couple of records sound extremely sterile and boring, to the point where I'm not able to enjoy the music that much for that reason alone.
Hmm, I think TA is mixed and produced very well!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on June 17, 2018, 02:46:29 PM
I've seen a lot of people speaking well of Kevin Shirley and wishing for his return during the mixing process. As he mixed Train of Thought, if DT14 turns out to be a 'heavy and aggressive' record as the band has said, It's quite possible that he will be mixing the album assuring the band is still in contact with him.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 17, 2018, 05:41:00 PM
I've seen a lot of people speaking well of Kevin Shirley and wishing for his return during the mixing process. As he mixed Train of Thought, if DT14 turns out to be a 'heavy and aggressive' record as the band has said, It's quite possible that he will be mixing the album assuring the band is still in contact with him.

I asked them about the posibility of working with him on future mixes on their Facebook post, hope they answer it. He actually mixed FII, half of SFAM, SDOIT and TOT (and all the live albums between them + CIM), and most of them sound very good. It would be nice to have him mix the album this time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: noxon on June 18, 2018, 01:27:23 AM
Well, it’s seems Richard Chycki is busy with other stuff now. Doesn’t seem like he’s involved in the new dt album. (Ref: Facebook)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: nikatapi on June 18, 2018, 02:13:35 AM
Let's see about engineering-mixing. Shirley would be a top option since the albums mixed by him are the best sounding ones.
I would say that even Paul Northfield (SC, BC&SL) would be good, as long as the album doesn't get ultra-loud.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: lucasembarbosa on June 18, 2018, 03:15:28 AM
Hope they try a different engineer this time. A newer, fresher one.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: nikatapi on June 18, 2018, 03:32:02 AM
There's always Jens Bogren (Opeth, Katatonia, Haken....) who would be a great fit in creating a modern, powerful sound.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on June 18, 2018, 03:49:09 AM
I would say that even Paul Northfield (SC, BC&SL) would be good, as long as the album doesn't get ultra-loud.

In my opinion, BC&SL is one of their best-sounding albums. So I'd be all for this  :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Fritzinger on June 18, 2018, 04:21:14 AM
There's always Jens Bogren (Opeth, Katatonia, Haken....) who would be a great fit in creating a modern, powerful sound.

That'd be super kewl. I have never heard an album where he was involved that had a shitty sound.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 18, 2018, 05:46:17 AM
Well, it’s seems Richard Chycki is busy with other stuff now. Doesn’t seem like he’s involved in the new dt album. (Ref: Facebook)

But DT are currently writing, not recording, so there’s no need for a studio engineer/mixer right now. Once they move to a recording studio and start tracking, then we’ll (hopefully) find out who’s working with them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on June 18, 2018, 07:03:21 AM
I am wondering if someone, maybe JLB, has a tablet or laptop open over there just refreshing DTF.  It seems like they are hitting a lot of spots that DTF has talked about over the last bit with regards to the type of music they want, the direction of the band, the social media exposure and updates.  I'm pretty excited for this.  They are doing exactly the opposite of SOA and even what they have done on their more recent albums, and just let the music come together as a band in seclusion.   

"The five pillars of Dream Theater"

Sounds good to me.

 :metal :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 18, 2018, 07:06:06 AM
Well, it's no secret that Bosk passes along relevant information to the band, updating them on what goes on in the forum...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on June 18, 2018, 07:29:09 AM
There's always Jens Bogren (Opeth, Katatonia, Haken....) who would be a great fit in creating a modern, powerful sound.

Well if this is the case there is even Fredrik Nordström who worked even with Opeth and he is well known for his good productions in heavy albums. His production in Architects' Lost Forever Lost Together was amazing.  :metal :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Pax on June 18, 2018, 08:13:08 AM
DT still needs to be careful what they post - guys from these forums could solve Cicada 3301 riddles with ease.

I'm back to the forums after a few year break. It's the best time to be here when the hype slowly begins growing. Cannot wait for new brain teasers, like when we managed to correlate track lengths with track names given only standard deviation of track lengths and a single pie chart
DT14 season has officially started!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Podaar on June 18, 2018, 08:18:31 AM
The bands level of fan interaction this time, is perfect.  :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 18, 2018, 08:22:46 AM
There's always Jens Bogren (Opeth, Katatonia, Haken....) who would be a great fit in creating a modern, powerful sound.

Well if this is the case there is even Fredrik Nordström who worked even with Opeth and he is well known for his good productions in heavy albums. His production in Architects' Lost Forever Lost Together was amazing.  :metal :metal

Jens Bogren worked on James’ last two records, so they could consider working with him. I really like his work on the last two Angra albums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on June 18, 2018, 08:36:24 AM

Jens Bogren worked on James’ last two records, so they could consider working with him. I really like his work on the last two Angra albums.

I really love the sound of Impermanent Resonance too.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Lethean on June 18, 2018, 08:52:06 AM
Do people think Katatonia albums sound good?  I've never been one to complain about that sort of thing, and don't have a problem at all with the last few DT albums.  But I've always thought Katatonia albums do sound really good and clear and wonder if it's just because I like them or if those albums don't do as much of whatever it is people complain about with the mix.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 18, 2018, 09:50:24 AM
Cool little video update, the guys seem really excited. I love the different approach this time around. Being able to write in a room together, demo everything and then have time to actually react to the demos and tweak if needed - that's something we've discussed on here before as something that would be beneficial to the band instead of just writing and recording all at the same time in the studio.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: noxon on June 18, 2018, 10:01:32 AM
The bands level of fan interaction this time, is perfect.  :tup

It helps having people like me on board that sends pages upon pages of ideas and suggestions to them regarding what they should be doing ;)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Podaar on June 18, 2018, 10:03:56 AM
The bands level of fan interaction this time, is perfect.  :tup

It helps having people like me on board that sends pages upon pages of ideas and suggestions to them regarding what they should be doing ;)

 :lol I don't doubt that one bit. In that case, thank you noxon!  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on June 18, 2018, 11:10:07 AM
A big yay to Jens Bogren, although I think his mixing style is kinda way too samey. I don't want DT to sound like Haken/Opeth/*insert metal band mixed by Jens*.

I'm probably being overly paranoid because I love his work. I have no problems whatsoever with The Astonishing's sound but I do hope DT get a big hit this time regarding their production because it's exhausting to read angry fans everywhere you go in the internet  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on June 18, 2018, 11:10:52 AM
Yea, I feel like the fan base has been asking for this type of interaction and output from them for awhile, but they are coming through now.  Whether thats Bosk or Noxon, keep it up.  I think it's great and hopefully gets the fan base united again for this release.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on June 18, 2018, 11:26:49 AM
TWITTER UPDATE.  Basically, it's all good vibes.

https://twitter.com/dreamtheaternet/status/1008154542989602816

I clicked on the link expecting to see that they had a vibraphone in the studio.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Fritzinger on June 19, 2018, 04:09:49 AM
Dream Theater and Haken are both going heavier this time and it's possible that their two new albums will be released around the same time. This is going to be one hell of a race (not really, of course, just for me). It was the same with DT12 and The Mountain, and imo The Mountain was the better album. Let's see what happens this time  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 19, 2018, 06:48:30 AM
Dream Theater and Haken are both going heavier this time and it's possible that their two new albums will be released around the same time. This is going to be one hell of a race (not really, of course, just for me). It was the same with DT12 and The Mountain, and imo The Mountain was the better album. Let's see what happens this time  :metal

Just get them to tour together :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: kaos2900 on June 19, 2018, 06:50:48 AM
Dream Theater and Haken are both going heavier this time and it's possible that their two new albums will be released around the same time. This is going to be one hell of a race (not really, of course, just for me). It was the same with DT12 and The Mountain, and imo The Mountain was the better album. Let's see what happens this time  :metal

Just get them to tour together :hefdaddy

This. That would be an amazing show.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on June 19, 2018, 08:17:38 PM
Jordan posted this 3 days ago. Just promoting an app, or is he using this in the new album?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkEejFQnOqs/?hl=en

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155786626677989&id=8717682988&_rdr
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 19, 2018, 08:36:19 PM
Dream Theater and Haken are both going heavier this time and it's possible that their two new albums will be released around the same time. This is going to be one hell of a race (not really, of course, just for me). It was the same with DT12 and The Mountain, and imo The Mountain was the better album. Let's see what happens this time  :metal

Just get them to tour together :hefdaddy

As awesome as it would be to see them both together, I prefer DT by themselves. Gives them more time to play. And I’m just greedy!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 19, 2018, 09:43:06 PM
Dream Theater and Haken are both going heavier this time and it's possible that their two new albums will be released around the same time. This is going to be one hell of a race (not really, of course, just for me). It was the same with DT12 and The Mountain, and imo The Mountain was the better album. Let's see what happens this time  :metal

Just get them to tour together :hefdaddy

As awesome as it would be to see them both together, I prefer DT by themselves. Gives them more time to play. And I’m just greedy!

And I agree with you! However, I think the best thing for James’ voice at this point would be shorter sets. An opening act is the best option for that, imo.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: YtseJamittaja on June 20, 2018, 12:18:59 AM
Dream Theater and Haken are both going heavier this time and it's possible that their two new albums will be released around the same time. This is going to be one hell of a race (not really, of course, just for me). It was the same with DT12 and The Mountain, and imo The Mountain was the better album. Let's see what happens this time  :metal

Just get them to tour together :hefdaddy

As awesome as it would be to see them both together, I prefer DT by themselves. Gives them more time to play. And I’m just greedy!

And I agree with you! However, I think the best thing for James’ voice at this point would be shorter sets. An opening act is the best option for that, imo.

DT and Haken could be a dream come true gig for me. Please make it happen!

And I agree with upper comment that they aren't young anymore so shorter set (1,5-2h) could be enough.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on June 20, 2018, 08:28:56 AM
DT and Haken doing an extensive tour together would be great for the genre of music IMO.  The old and the young prog metal bands. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 20, 2018, 08:44:37 AM
DT and Haken doing an extensive tour together would be great for the genre of music IMO.  The old and the young prog metal bands.

It would be a good tour, and I'm saying that as a guy that isn't crazy about Haken.

They could even pull another young band from the label to open. Have that band do like 30 minutes. Haken could do like 45 minutes. Then DT could do like 2 hours. That would be a sweet concert.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 20, 2018, 11:31:13 AM
DT and Haken doing an extensive tour together would be great for the genre of music IMO.  The old and the young prog metal bands.

It would be a good tour, and I'm saying that as a guy that isn't crazy about Haken.

They could even pull another young band from the label to open. Have that band do like 30 minutes. Haken could do like 45 minutes. Then DT could do like 2 hours. That would be a sweet concert.

45 minutes for Haken? That would be a shame. They're beyond that now. 1.5 hours at the very least!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on June 20, 2018, 11:35:45 AM
DT and Haken doing an extensive tour together would be great for the genre of music IMO.  The old and the young prog metal bands.

It would be a good tour, and I'm saying that as a guy that isn't crazy about Haken.

They could even pull another young band from the label to open. Have that band do like 30 minutes. Haken could do like 45 minutes. Then DT could do like 2 hours. That would be a sweet concert.

45 minutes for Haken? That would be a shame. They're beyond that now. 1.5 hours at the very least!

Co-headlining? Don't think Haken has reached that status yet. May be wrong though.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 20, 2018, 12:04:32 PM
45 minutes for Haken? That would be a shame. They're beyond that now. 1.5 hours at the very least!

Yeah, like I said, I'm not a Haken fan - so 45 minutes is 45 minutes too many for me personally. But for an opener that's a decent set. Haken would be wise to take a tour like that, especially in the US where they are still a very small draw on their own. Opening for DT in the states would be a great opportunity for them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: kingshmegland on June 20, 2018, 12:24:27 PM
No.  Haken is already making a dent in touring.  They will get a bump from touring with MP.   As much as I'd love seeing this Haken is more established in this part of their career to open.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 20, 2018, 12:37:17 PM
Jordan confirmed on Facebook about the writing: they have heavy stuff and long epic stuff :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 20, 2018, 01:00:42 PM
No.  Haken is already making a dent in touring.  They will get a bump from touring with MP.   As much as I'd love seeing this Haken is more established in this part of their career to open.

Wow, I admittedly don't follow Haken but I feel like you might be giving them too much credit - at least as it applies to touring in the states. Last time they came through my area they played in a venue that holds like 300-400 people and didn't come close to selling it out. In my eyes, that's a band that could definitely benefit and continue to grow their fan base by opening for DT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on June 20, 2018, 01:37:58 PM
No.  Haken is already making a dent in touring.  They will get a bump from touring with MP.   As much as I'd love seeing this Haken is more established in this part of their career to open.

Wow, I admittedly don't follow Haken but I feel like you might be giving them too much credit - at least as it applies to touring in the states. Last time they came through my area they played in a venue that holds like 300-400 people and didn't come close to selling it out. In my eyes, that's a band that could definitely benefit and continue to grow their fan base by opening for DT.

Yea, Haken are not there yet.  Playing in front of 500 and less crowds is opener material for a bigger band.  They need the exposure to grow more.  What better way than to open for one of the biggest prog metal bands?

I don't see it that differently than DT opening for IM just on a smaller scale.

Of course Haken opening for SOA would be good for them too IMO, but SOA didn't have close to the draw DT does from the show I went to.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: PetFish on June 20, 2018, 02:53:27 PM
I'd love to see an opening act.

I nominate ARCH ECHO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F65IQmP7lCk
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Peter Mc on June 20, 2018, 05:16:21 PM
I agree that Haken opening for DT would be great for them, they are not too established to do that, certainly not in the UK. We’ve had the likes of Porcupine Tree open for DT over here and, even back then, they were far more known than Haken are now. Would give more exposure to Haken, just as it did for Spock’s Beard, Pain Of Salvation and others. Haken are also fans of the band, they were actually stood right in front of me at Manchester Apollo on the AFTR show and were loving it, hugging each other and singing along to the SFAM stuff in particular.

All that being said, my preference would always be for the Evening With shows if the band feel that it is not a problem or putting them under too much strain.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on June 20, 2018, 05:22:57 PM
There is way, way too much talk about Haken in this thread.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gm5k on June 20, 2018, 05:54:18 PM
I'd love to see an opening act.

I nominate ARCH ECHO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F65IQmP7lCk

Can't quite decide how I feel about these guys.  Crazy talented for sure.  Think I need to check out their album in it's entirety.

I'd personally prefer Pagan's Mind, Circus Maximus or Plini if I could have any bands :o

Back on topic...really completely thrilled with the updates so far.  It's so much appreciated, and I hope DT is able to keep it up as the writing/recording comes along.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: goo-goo on June 20, 2018, 08:27:48 PM
I'd love to see an opening act.

I nominate ARCH ECHO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F65IQmP7lCk

Absolutely love this guys. Wouldn’t mind AE to open for DT at all
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Fritzinger on June 21, 2018, 02:38:33 AM
There is way, way too much talk about Haken in this thread.

There can never be too much Haken talk anywhere
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 21, 2018, 02:43:09 AM
There is way, way too much talk about Haken in this thread.

There can never be too much Haken talk anywhere
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Dream Team on June 21, 2018, 06:19:31 AM
There is way, way too much talk about Haken in this thread.

It's the fad of the week. I remember when this board was polluted constantly with Opeth this and Pain of Salvation that. The trends come and go.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 21, 2018, 07:07:15 AM
There is way, way too much talk about Haken in this thread.

Hah, so much truth here bud.

I'd love to see an opening act.

I nominate ARCH ECHO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F65IQmP7lCk

Yeah, these guys are cool. I really like their album, they'd be a cool instrumental opener.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on June 21, 2018, 07:59:59 AM
There is way, way too much talk about Haken in this thread.

There can never be too much Haken talk anywhere

Yes, there can.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 21, 2018, 08:14:56 AM
There is way, way too much talk about Haken in this thread.

It's the fad of the week. I remember when this board was polluted constantly with Opeth this and Pain of Salvation that. The trends come and go.

Apologies for derailing the thread further, but I realized the other day that Opeth are no longer on my musical radar. It wasn't a even a conscious decision. I just forgot about them. I have no idea if their popularity has fallen or risen on the board as a whole, but I think my interest has been waning because their last few albums haven't been my favorite.

Anyhow... DT in the studio! Awesome! :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Anxiety35 on June 21, 2018, 08:26:12 AM
I hope they're really working well together and I hope it is fun for them. It was nice to see the enthusiasm in the JLB & JP video. I felt it was genuine. I'm looking forward to the next update.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: kaos2900 on June 21, 2018, 08:56:22 AM
In regards to Haken, I remember when I first heard Visions years ago, the first thing I remember thinking was that these were the successors to DT's throne. That's coming from a long time die-hard DT fan so I think the fact that their new albums are getting release around the same time it's natural to have the discussion of having the two bands tour together.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Fritzinger on June 21, 2018, 10:16:32 AM
In regards to Haken, I remember when I first heard Visions years ago, the first thing I remember thinking was that these were the successors to DT's throne. That's coming from a long time die-hard DT fan so I think the fact that their new albums are getting release around the same time it's natural to have the discussion of having the two bands tour together.

I thought the same thing after hearing Aquarius for the first time! Visions is my least favorite Haken album, which of course doesn't mean anything.
Btw, do you guys think I will piss people off by contributing even more to the Haken-mania by creating a thread for favourite Haken album? :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on June 21, 2018, 12:39:52 PM
In regards to Haken, I remember when I first heard Visions years ago, the first thing I remember thinking was that these were the successors to DT's throne. That's coming from a long time die-hard DT fan so I think the fact that their new albums are getting release around the same time it's natural to have the discussion of having the two bands tour together.

I thought the same thing after hearing Aquarius for the first time! Visions is my least favorite Haken album, which of course doesn't mean anything.
Btw, do you guys think I will piss people off by contributing even more to the Haken-mania by creating a thread for favourite Haken album? :D

You can, but not on the DT side of the forum.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 22, 2018, 04:19:52 AM
DT posted on FB a pic of Myung practicing in the garden, in his usual black clothes he wears on stage  :lol

No matter where he is, John Myung has to wear black and play bass!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on June 22, 2018, 04:24:51 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BkT63BXHG2L/?hl=it&taken-by=jcrudess
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on June 22, 2018, 06:44:45 AM
Why do they seem to be having so much fun?  :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 22, 2018, 06:51:50 AM
Why do they seem to be having so much fun?  :rollin

 :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 22, 2018, 07:05:05 AM
I'm not usually a "This person needs to contribute to the writing!" kind of guy, just because there are a lot of bands where only a couple of people write, but I hope that Mangini is being allowed to contribute. I remember him sounding pretty bummed about a lack of involvement during an interview a year or two back.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 22, 2018, 07:12:02 AM
I'm not usually a "This person needs to contribute to the writing!" kind of guy, just because there are a lot of bands where only a couple of people write, but I hope that Mangini is being allowed to contribute. I remember him sounding pretty bummed about a lack of involvement during an interview a year or two back.

I hope so too, it certainly seems like the environment is right this time around for him to be able to contribute a good deal.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on June 22, 2018, 07:57:22 AM
I hope so too. I remember during the DT12 recordings that his problem was that he would come up with an idea to contribute but before he could solidify the idea, the other members already came up with a riff or a progression. I hope that the slower pace of writing a demo instead of writing during the recording session would allow him to contribute more.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on June 22, 2018, 09:08:25 AM
I hope so too. I remember during the DT12 recordings that his problem was that he would come up with an idea to contribute but before he could solidify the idea, the other members already came up with a riff or a progression. I hope that the slower pace of writing a demo instead of writing during the recording session would allow him to contribute more.

Provided it is something interesting, because we don't know after all if his ideas will suit DT. But, yeah, I get where you're coming from. It may make for more interesting drum parts at least.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on June 22, 2018, 10:02:48 AM
I hope so too. I remember during the DT12 recordings that his problem was that he would come up with an idea to contribute but before he could solidify the idea, the other members already came up with a riff or a progression. I hope that the slower pace of writing a demo instead of writing during the recording session would allow him to contribute more.

Provided it is something interesting, because we don't know after all if his ideas will suit DT. But, yeah, I get where you're coming from. It may make for more interesting drum parts at least.

B.Lee

This raises an interesting point of discussion that Stadler has talked about many times with Dream Theater: back in the day I don't think there was a 'suits DT/doesn't suit DT' mentality about the songs. They just wrote stuff and the result was a blend of many styles and ideas. I think if any of them have the 'this doesn't suit DT' mentality that's only going to harm the record. FFS we had jazz blastbeats on The Astonishing! Anything should be on the table imo. If for some reason they're becoming risk averse that's only going to be detrimental to songwriting and making some awesome, fresh material. I hope Mangini gets to contribute a lot and has some fresh, wacky ideas.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on June 22, 2018, 10:21:22 AM
I hope so too. I remember during the DT12 recordings that his problem was that he would come up with an idea to contribute but before he could solidify the idea, the other members already came up with a riff or a progression. I hope that the slower pace of writing a demo instead of writing during the recording session would allow him to contribute more.

Provided it is something interesting, because we don't know after all if his ideas will suit DT. But, yeah, I get where you're coming from. It may make for more interesting drum parts at least.

B.Lee

This raises an interesting point of discussion that Stadler has talked about many times with Dream Theater: back in the day I don't think there was a 'suits DT/doesn't suit DT' mentality about the songs. They just wrote stuff and the result was a blend of many styles and ideas. I think if any of them have the 'this doesn't suit DT' mentality that's only going to harm the record. FFS we had jazz blastbeats on The Astonishing! Anything should be on the table imo. If for some reason they're becoming risk averse that's only going to be detrimental to songwriting and making some awesome, fresh material. I hope Mangini gets to contribute a lot and has some fresh, wacky ideas.

Yep and the trend began with SC for me. I hope this all being together will get to something interesting, because if it doesn't, then, there is not much room left. And this is something coming from someone who loves TA.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Nathan Explosion on June 22, 2018, 10:53:53 AM
New video from Jordan: :D
https://www.facebook.com/jordanrudessofficial/videos/10155800071122989/
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on June 22, 2018, 11:27:10 AM
New video from Jordan: :D
https://www.facebook.com/jordanrudessofficial/videos/10155800071122989/

I told it was a Gregorian Chant album  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on June 22, 2018, 12:26:49 PM
New video from Jordan: :D
https://www.facebook.com/jordanrudessofficial/videos/10155800071122989/

Nice! :lol Jon Pet True Chee :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Peter Mc on June 23, 2018, 03:11:11 AM
They took a pretty big risk on the last record and not sure fans were too accepting of it. I happen to like TA a lot but I’m fine if they go tried and trusted on this one. Taking big risks is overrated especially 14 albums in when you have an established fan base who know you for a certain style of music.  Last thing I want to see DT do is go away from their core sound like an Opeth or a Pain Of Salvation, give me a classic DT album with crunching riffs, memorable melodies, epic solos and I’ll be happy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on June 23, 2018, 04:51:45 AM
Give me a classic DT album with crunching riffs, memorable melodies, epic solos and I’ll be happy.

This is in fact what they are planning to give us, according to JP and JLB.  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Anguyen92 on June 23, 2018, 02:13:37 PM
So DT, at this point, shouldn't do whatever the heck they want that satisfies them creatively and just stick to what they do best?  That's fine for certain bands (and I prefer some bands to stick with what they do best), but I wouldn't think DT should be that kind of band.  Isn't that what music should be about?  If they have a vision, they shouldn't fulfill that all the way completely because they are afraid that their core fanbase will not like it?  Sometimes, I question what is the true definition of progressive metal nowadays.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 23, 2018, 02:19:23 PM
So DT shouldn't be at this stage to do whatever the heck they want that satisfies them creatively?  Isn't that what music should be about?  If they have a vision, they shouldn't fulfill that all the way completely because they are afraid that their core fanbase will not like it?  Sometimes, I question what is the true definition of progressive metal nowadays.

This, seriously.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Peter Mc on June 23, 2018, 04:37:18 PM
So DT, at this point, shouldn't do whatever the heck they want that satisfies them creatively and just stick to what they do best?  That's fine for certain bands (and I prefer some bands to stick with what they do best), but I wouldn't think DT should be that kind of band.  Isn't that what music should be about?  If they have a vision, they shouldn't fulfill that all the way completely because they are afraid that their core fanbase will not like it?  Sometimes, I question what is the true definition of progressive metal nowadays.

DT have pretty much stuck to what they do best for their entire career so I would expect they would be the type of band to do that. They went outside the box on their last release and half their fan base lost their minds. DT should do whatever they want of course but my guess is that they’ll want to do an album that pleases their fans this time around. I’m personally a fan of what DT do so am not looking for them to stray too far from their core sound. The 2 bands I mentioned (Opeth and POS) totally lost me when they completely changed their style of music. Not saying they were wrong to follow their hearts and make the music they wanted, not at all, just saying that I was not a fan of their new music and I’m not looking to lose another of my favourite bands.

So yes, like I said, I will be happy with a classic sounding DT album, I am not looking for them to do something completely out of left field as I like what they do. That’s just me though, DT should do whatever they want to do.

As for the definition of progressive metal, Id say it was metal with long songs, big solos and lots of noodling. That seems to be the norm.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Anguyen92 on June 23, 2018, 04:41:17 PM
As for the definition of progressive metal, Id say it was metal with long songs, big solos and lots of noodling. That seems to be the norm.

Ok, but can we honestly say that the music is "progressive" nowadays?  I think we probably need to rename that type of music, honestly, since there comes a point where that brand of progressive metal could and may have become cliches and become stale.  I say we should now call that type of music "Technical metal" since I feel like that type of music has lost its "progressive" tendencies.

Btw, I apologize for speaking in thoughts that may make no sense.  I'm still riled over something, hockey-related.  That post is in the NHL thread.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Peter Mc on June 23, 2018, 06:31:42 PM
I don’t know, Technical Metal sounds a little cold and joyless. I just think people shouldn’t take the word progressive too literally. I just see it as a mixture of metal music and prog music so you get the epic songs and noodling along with the heavy aggressive metal elements. Progressive is just a label, not an indication that this will be the next stage of musical evolution.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 23, 2018, 07:01:06 PM
Ok, but can we honestly say that the music is "progressive" nowadays?  I think we probably need to rename that type of music, honestly, since there comes a point where that brand of progressive metal could and may have become cliches and become stale.  I say we should now call that type of music "Technical metal" since I feel like that type of music has lost its "progressive" tendencies.
I'd say no. Just like I wouldn't stop calling "alternative music" alternative, even though it's far from alternative now. While it might have a meaning to describe a new style of music, over time a label (such as progressive or alternative) comes to define a style of music, even if that style of music outgrows the label it was given in the first place. Any style of music that is not common could be defined as alternative or progressive, but that doesn't mean that we'd actually call it alternative or progressive music.

Besides, there already is technical metal - IIRC, bands like Watchtower and Spiral Architect fit that label more than they would progressive.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: noxon on June 23, 2018, 07:16:49 PM
Besides, many people think of the term "progressive" in a very singular way. It's not (just) about the music being a progress from the music that was before.

It can also means the music progresses instead of going around in loops of "verse, chorus, verse, chorus".
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on June 24, 2018, 02:13:48 AM
Besides, many people think of the term "progressive" in a very singular way. It's not (just) about the music being a progress from the music that was before.

It can also means the music progresses instead of going around in loops of "verse, chorus, verse, chorus".

That's how I hear the term as well.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ninjabait on June 24, 2018, 07:08:21 AM
Besides, many people think of the term "progressive" in a very singular way. It's not (just) about the music being a progress from the music that was before.

It can also means the music progresses instead of going around in loops of "verse, chorus, verse, chorus".

I've always divided "progressive" music in two three camps with some overlap:

"Prog" rock/metal, which tries to emulate the sound of 70s Prog Bands (Genesis, Yes, Rush, Floyd, etc.) or 90s Prog Metal Bands (DT, Opeth, PT, Meshuggah, etc.) without really adding anything new to the genre. Most of the "lesser known" prog bands fall here, as does a lot of Djent.

"Progressive" rock/metal, which tries to break new ground while not necessarily emulating the 70s or 90s prog sounds. Stuff like King Crimson, Yes, Dream Theater, The Dear Hunter, older Muse, Radiohead, etc.

and "Art" Rock/Metal just aims to make albums/songs more thematic/connected/cohesive, or attempts to use classical or jazz theory in a traditional rock/metal setting. Art rock/metal won't necessarily try to get rid of the "Intro - Verse 1 - Chorus - Verse 2 - Chorus - Bridge - Solo - Chorus - Chorus - Outro" structure, but it'll do more thematic and interesting things with that structure. Things that fit here are older Muse, Radiohead, crow-era Incubus, Queen, Pink Floyd, The Beatles' later albums, My Chemical Romance's The Black Parade, etc.

Since there's overlap, something can fit in one, two, or all three subgenres. Pink Floyd, for example, fits all three. Dream Theater mostly fits the first two. MCR's The Black Parade isn't prog/progressive, but it's definitely art rock. And so on.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: fps on June 24, 2018, 08:38:38 AM
They took a pretty big risk on the last record and not sure fans were too accepting of it. I happen to like TA a lot but I’m fine if they go tried and trusted on this one. Taking big risks is overrated especially 14 albums in when you have an established fan base who know you for a certain style of music.  Last thing I want to see DT do is go away from their core sound like an Opeth or a Pain Of Salvation, give me a classic DT album with crunching riffs, memorable melodies, epic solos and I’ll be happy.

While I agree to an extent (Opeth are lost to me), PoS' 2017 record is my second favourite of theirs of all time after Remedy Lane.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: fps on June 24, 2018, 08:40:31 AM
Besides, many people think of the term "progressive" in a very singular way. It's not (just) about the music being a progress from the music that was before.

It can also means the music progresses instead of going around in loops of "verse, chorus, verse, chorus".

I've always divided "progressive" music in two three camps with some overlap:

"Prog" rock/metal, which tries to emulate the sound of 70s Prog Bands (Genesis, Yes, Rush, Floyd, etc.) or 90s Prog Metal Bands (DT, Opeth, PT, Meshuggah, etc.) without really adding anything new to the genre. Most of the "lesser known" prog bands fall here, as does a lot of Djent.

"Progressive" rock/metal, which tries to break new ground while not necessarily emulating the 70s or 90s prog sounds. Stuff like King Crimson, Yes, Dream Theater, The Dear Hunter, older Muse, Radiohead, etc.

and "Art" Rock/Metal just aims to make albums/songs more thematic/connected/cohesive, or attempts to use classical or jazz theory in a traditional rock/metal setting. Art rock/metal won't necessarily try to get rid of the "Intro - Verse 1 - Chorus - Verse 2 - Chorus - Bridge - Solo - Chorus - Chorus - Outro" structure, but it'll do more thematic and interesting things with that structure. Things that fit here are older Muse, Radiohead, crow-era Incubus, Queen, Pink Floyd, The Beatles' later albums, My Chemical Romance's The Black Parade, etc.

Since there's overlap, something can fit in one, two, or all three subgenres. Pink Floyd, for example, fits all three. Dream Theater mostly fits the first two. MCR's The Black Parade isn't prog/progressive, but it's definitely art rock. And so on.

Lol at your putting Meshuggah in with Opeth, suggesting they are imitating 90s prog bands, and that they offered nothing new in their genre. They invented a genre.

Also, need to go back and take a look at how innovative Opeth were in late 90s and early 00s. They are now a 70s rock throwback, but that's a different matter.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: fps on June 24, 2018, 08:41:35 AM
Besides, many people think of the term "progressive" in a very singular way. It's not (just) about the music being a progress from the music that was before.

It can also means the music progresses instead of going around in loops of "verse, chorus, verse, chorus".

I've always divided "progressive" music in two three camps with some overlap:

"Prog" rock/metal, which tries to emulate the sound of 70s Prog Bands (Genesis, Yes, Rush, Floyd, etc.) or 90s Prog Metal Bands (DT, Opeth, PT, Meshuggah, etc.) without really adding anything new to the genre. Most of the "lesser known" prog bands fall here, as does a lot of Djent.

"Progressive" rock/metal, which tries to break new ground while not necessarily emulating the 70s or 90s prog sounds. Stuff like King Crimson, Yes, Dream Theater, The Dear Hunter, older Muse, Radiohead, etc.

and "Art" Rock/Metal just aims to make albums/songs more thematic/connected/cohesive, or attempts to use classical or jazz theory in a traditional rock/metal setting. Art rock/metal won't necessarily try to get rid of the "Intro - Verse 1 - Chorus - Verse 2 - Chorus - Bridge - Solo - Chorus - Chorus - Outro" structure, but it'll do more thematic and interesting things with that structure. Things that fit here are older Muse, Radiohead, crow-era Incubus, Queen, Pink Floyd, The Beatles' later albums, My Chemical Romance's The Black Parade, etc.

Since there's overlap, something can fit in one, two, or all three subgenres. Pink Floyd, for example, fits all three. Dream Theater mostly fits the first two. MCR's The Black Parade isn't prog/progressive, but it's definitely art rock. And so on.

As for Queen... I mean, just listen to A Night At The Opera, let alone any of their other 70s records....
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ninjabait on June 24, 2018, 09:15:44 AM
Besides, many people think of the term "progressive" in a very singular way. It's not (just) about the music being a progress from the music that was before.

It can also means the music progresses instead of going around in loops of "verse, chorus, verse, chorus".

I've always divided "progressive" music in two three camps with some overlap:

"Prog" rock/metal, which tries to emulate the sound of 70s Prog Bands (Genesis, Yes, Rush, Floyd, etc.) or 90s Prog Metal Bands (DT, Opeth, PT, Meshuggah, etc.) without really adding anything new to the genre. Most of the "lesser known" prog bands fall here, as does a lot of Djent.

"Progressive" rock/metal, which tries to break new ground while not necessarily emulating the 70s or 90s prog sounds. Stuff like King Crimson, Yes, Dream Theater, The Dear Hunter, older Muse, Radiohead, etc.

and "Art" Rock/Metal just aims to make albums/songs more thematic/connected/cohesive, or attempts to use classical or jazz theory in a traditional rock/metal setting. Art rock/metal won't necessarily try to get rid of the "Intro - Verse 1 - Chorus - Verse 2 - Chorus - Bridge - Solo - Chorus - Chorus - Outro" structure, but it'll do more thematic and interesting things with that structure. Things that fit here are older Muse, Radiohead, crow-era Incubus, Queen, Pink Floyd, The Beatles' later albums, My Chemical Romance's The Black Parade, etc.

Since there's overlap, something can fit in one, two, or all three subgenres. Pink Floyd, for example, fits all three. Dream Theater mostly fits the first two. MCR's The Black Parade isn't prog/progressive, but it's definitely art rock. And so on.

Lol at your putting Meshuggah in with Opeth, suggesting they are imitating 90s prog bands, and that they offered nothing new in their genre. They invented a genre.

Also, need to go back and take a look at how innovative Opeth were in late 90s and early 00s. They are now a 70s rock throwback, but that's a different matter.

...I was saying that they were two of the big 90s progressive bands that a lot of prog bands nowadays imitate, but okay. :U
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Peter Mc on June 24, 2018, 11:53:04 AM
They took a pretty big risk on the last record and not sure fans were too accepting of it. I happen to like TA a lot but I’m fine if they go tried and trusted on this one. Taking big risks is overrated especially 14 albums in when you have an established fan base who know you for a certain style of music.  Last thing I want to see DT do is go away from their core sound like an Opeth or a Pain Of Salvation, give me a classic DT album with crunching riffs, memorable melodies, epic solos and I’ll be happy.

While I agree to an extent (Opeth are lost to me), PoS' 2017 record is my second favourite of theirs of all time after Remedy Lane.

Couldn’t argue with you as I haven’t bought one of their albums in years so I haven’t heard it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: PetFish on June 24, 2018, 08:06:58 PM
DT should do whatever they want of course but my guess is that they’ll want to do an album that pleases their fans this time around.

It *did* please their fans but, as it is such with the Internet, the fans that didn't like it always have the loudest voices thereby skewing perception.  The only issue I can see with The Astonishing is people not understanding what it was:  a rock opera, which means they got something they weren't expecting and that seems to be enough to totally take a dump on it.  DT never said "it's a jazz album" or anything like that.  It was *always* a rock opera but people who decided to not understand that are generally the ones taking the dumps.

Hasn't it already been said that DT does, in fact, try and please their fans anyway by doing Album A, listening to fans, then not repeating Album A and doing Album B instead?  Ultimately, they still do what they want regardless but also keeping the fans in mind.

Also, nobody can please 100% of any fans in any medium, so there's no point in even trying.  Just do what you do and see what happens.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Herrick on June 24, 2018, 08:11:09 PM
Sorry if this has already been asked in this thread but is LaBrie actually in the studio with the band as they write? And is he going to record his vocals in the same studio when the band is around?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: rumborak on June 24, 2018, 08:46:30 PM
It *did* please their fans but, as it is such with the Internet, the fans that didn't like it always have the loudest voices thereby skewing perception.

I don't think that's true. The TA tour was, to my knowledge, the only DT tour that played in less than half-filled venues by the end of the tour. Whether you disagree with the fans' perception of TA is irrelevant, but it's definitely not true that TA "pleased the fans" in general.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Anguyen92 on June 24, 2018, 09:10:29 PM
I'm a fan.  I'm pleased with TA.  Others feels that way as well and others don't.  Does that mean because others don't like it invalidate those that do dig it?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 24, 2018, 11:32:53 PM
Sorry if this has already been asked in this thread but is LaBrie actually in the studio with the band as they write? And is he going to record his vocals in the same studio when the band is around?

James is with them right now for the writing process (he posted a couple pics + appeared on the video with JP). They haven't said anything about the recording, though, but considering they're not writing in the studio this time and that he recorded vocals in Canada for ADTOE and TA, my bet is he'll record there as well this time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on June 24, 2018, 11:56:20 PM
No.  Haken is already making a dent in touring.  They will get a bump from touring with MP.   As much as I'd love seeing this Haken is more established in this part of their career to open.
I disagree. Haken is one of my favorite bands, so I'm not knocking them - but a band like Trivium, as much as I don't really care for them, is a much bigger act than Haken, and even THEY opened for DT a few years back.

If they have a vision, they shouldn't fulfill that all the way completely because they are afraid that their core fanbase will not like it?  Sometimes, I question what is the true definition of progressive metal nowadays.
Did you like or hate The Astonishing? Because I remember before TA came out, EVERYONE was saying this and then turned around and shat all over it.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 25, 2018, 06:19:24 AM
If they have a vision, they shouldn't fulfill that all the way completely because they are afraid that their core fanbase will not like it?  Sometimes, I question what is the true definition of progressive metal nowadays.
Did you like or hate The Astonishing? Because I remember before TA came out, EVERYONE was saying this and then turned around and shat all over it.  :lol

Agreed! The people who cried loudest for a change of direction were also the people who criticized The Astonishing most. It was a good example of why bands don't go off the beaten path too often. Fans will show you no mercy if you stray in the wrong direction... :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: kingshmegland on June 25, 2018, 06:28:21 AM
No.  Haken is already making a dent in touring.  They will get a bump from touring with MP.   As much as I'd love seeing this Haken is more established in this part of their career to open.
I disagree. Haken is one of my favorite bands, so I'm not knocking them - but a band like Trivium, as much as I don't really care for them, is a much bigger act than Haken, and even THEY opened for DT a few years back.

If they have a vision, they shouldn't fulfill that all the way completely because they are afraid that their core fanbase will not like it?  Sometimes, I question what is the true definition of progressive metal nowadays.


Did you like or hate The Astonishing? Because I remember before TA came out, EVERYONE was saying this and then turned around and shat all over it.  :lol

I'm saying all the touring and exposure is a good thing for them.  They are on the rise.  I'm hoping within the next 5 years they are playing 2000 seat arenas.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 25, 2018, 07:15:11 AM
Thursday June 28, 3 PM EST, the band will answer on a FB live stream the best questions among those submitted for the last video!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Herrick on June 25, 2018, 08:52:58 AM
Sorry if this has already been asked in this thread but is LaBrie actually in the studio with the band as they write? And is he going to record his vocals in the same studio when the band is around?

James is with them right now for the writing process (he posted a couple pics + appeared on the video with JP). They haven't said anything about the recording, though, but considering they're not writing in the studio this time and that he recorded vocals in Canada for ADTOE and TA, my bet is he'll record there as well this time.

That's interesting. I always thought he came in later after everything was written.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 25, 2018, 08:55:49 AM
Well, usually that's how it went, this time around he's there since day one. I've asked that precise question, if his presence there means that he will have more input on how the vocal lines are being constructed, I assume others will have asked what he's doing there, let's hope we'll get the answer in three days!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: AngelBack on June 25, 2018, 08:57:23 AM
And apparently JLB doesn't care for french fries.....
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 25, 2018, 09:15:38 AM
And apparently JLB doesn't care for french fries.....

Nah he just doesn't care for peanuts
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: AngelBack on June 25, 2018, 09:39:42 AM
And apparently JLB doesn't care for french fries.....

Nah he just doesn't care for peanuts

 :tup  Was wondering if anyone would get it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on June 25, 2018, 09:42:46 AM
Yeah, everybody is there and, best I can tell, contributing in some capacity or the other.  As for whether the new album will be "typical DT" vs. different/experimental, I would assume it would be more toward the former.  I mean, DT like to throw in elements that are different/experimental on EVERY album.  Sometimes it is overt, and sometimes it is subtle.  But it is always there and part of their style.  But I think this will be more "traditional" in terms of being what we are used to from the band.  I could be wrong, but I think that after going so far out on a limb with the last album, they may be likely to give us more of what the fan base would typically expect in a DT album before venturing too far from the path again.  But that is mostly just guesswork in my part, so take it for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 25, 2018, 09:44:41 AM
For me The Astonishing is both experimental and typical DT- It's DT doing a rock opera, you recognize all their trademarks, it's not that while listening to the album one thinks "OMG what the hell is this I can't even recognize the band if it wasn't for James singing".

But I surely would not insist that The Astonishing is your typical DT album. Still, for me it's 110% DT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Indiscipline on June 25, 2018, 09:53:10 AM
It may be me being a silly eccentric fool or allergic to conventional wisdom, but isn't "typical DT" synonimous with "different/experimental"?

In the last 25 years every album caught me pleasantly by surprise.

Anyway, I'm the buffoon believing The Astonishing is DT's perfect album and rock opera their perfect dimension, so do treat my opinion as you see fit.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Herrick on June 25, 2018, 09:59:18 AM
Yeah, everybody is there and, best I can tell, contributing in some capacity or the other.  As for whether the new album will be "typical DT" vs. different/experimental, I would assume it would be more toward the former.  I mean, DT like to throw in elements that are different/experimental on EVERY album.  Sometimes it is overt, and sometimes it is subtle.  But it is always there and part of their style.  But I think this will be more "traditional" in terms of being what we are used to from the band.  I could be wrong, but I think that after going so far out on a limb with the last album, they may be likely to give us more of what the fan base would typically expect in a DT album before venturing too far from the path again.  But that is mostly just guesswork in my part, so take it for what it's worth.

Sounds good to Herrick.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on June 25, 2018, 10:23:07 AM
DT just made us participate in a Spotify-playlist contest and asked us to title our entries as We Are: Dream Theater.

Jordan posted a video using his keys to jokingly play We Are: Dream Theater using the EWQL Symphonic Choirs app.

Is We Are: Dream Theater the title of the new album?  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: kingshmegland on June 25, 2018, 10:38:25 AM
DT just made us participate in a Spotify-playlist contest and asked us to title our entries as We Are: Dream Theater.

Jordan posted a video using his keys to jokingly play We Are: Dream Theater using the EWQL Symphonic Choirs app.

Is We Are: Dream Theater the title of the new album?  :lol

And then went to 5 Guys to celebrate. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on June 25, 2018, 10:43:19 AM
I am looking forward to this coming Wednesday's video.  It promises to be especially special.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: kingshmegland on June 25, 2018, 10:45:17 AM
I love when you tease us!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on June 25, 2018, 10:46:41 AM
That's what she kingshmegland said.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: kingshmegland on June 25, 2018, 11:18:05 AM
Giggity.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on June 25, 2018, 11:19:46 AM
What I like about the social media posts of DT so far for this album?

Nobody's hogging the spotlight.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Skeever on June 25, 2018, 12:44:22 PM
It's great that the band are tuned into the forum, but I hope they ignore it when making their album. I want to hear the music that those 5 guys are passionate about making, not anything too "focus grouped" i.e., what they think the "fans" want to hear based on what a small online community thinks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on June 25, 2018, 01:23:37 PM
What I like about the social media posts of DT so far for this album?

Nobody's hogging the spotlight.

And they are highlighting their excitement, working together, talking about the music and their creative process...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on June 25, 2018, 01:28:03 PM
It's great that the band are tuned into the forum, but I hope they ignore it when making their album. I want to hear the music that those 5 guys are passionate about making, not anything too "focus grouped" i.e., what they think the "fans" want to hear based on what a small online community thinks.

14 albums in, I think they'll be alright.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 25, 2018, 01:30:08 PM
I am looking forward to this coming Wednesday's video.  It promises to be especially special.

Another Bosk tease... something good is going to happen :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ToT-147 on June 25, 2018, 02:54:11 PM
James is with them right now for the writing process (he posted a couple pics + appeared on the video with JP). They haven't said anything about the recording, though, but considering they're not writing in the studio this time and that he recorded vocals in Canada for ADTOE and TA, my bet is he'll record there as well this time.

That's interesting. I always thought he came in later after everything was written.

AFAIK, he did exactly that up until SDoIT.. From ToT onwards he's been there with the rest of the guys throughout the writing process..

The band themselves encouraged him to do that.. Otherwise... well, I'd think most here already know that story..
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Gappie on June 25, 2018, 03:52:58 PM
Are they recording the new album in The Netherlands? I'm asking because of the "Five guys in Netherlands" picture :D Sorry if someone already asked this question!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: noxon on June 25, 2018, 04:02:46 PM
what? netherlands???
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Gappie on June 25, 2018, 04:10:41 PM
Yeah they posted a picture of them being in a "five guys" restaurant in the Netherlands yesterday. I have no idea though wether it has anything to do with where they are at this moment or if it was a old picture or anything. Just curious actually.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Anguyen92 on June 25, 2018, 04:28:15 PM
There's a Five Guys in the Netherlands?  We're talking about the burger place right?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on June 25, 2018, 04:49:27 PM
Where did the netherlands come from?  I'm looking at the facebook post and does not say Netherlands.  Also, the signs inside are all in english not dutch in the five guys.  Not sure if Five Guys is international either, it could be though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on June 25, 2018, 04:51:51 PM
Yeah, I have no idea what the Netherlands has to do with any of this.  ???
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Gappie on June 25, 2018, 05:08:59 PM
My bad then guys. Sorry :blush. The facebook post litteraly says : " Four guys at Five guys Netherlands" for me. But it must be facebook recognizing that i am from the Netherlands and turning "five guys" into "fiveguysNetherlands" then i guess. Haha sorry for all the confusion people.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Gappie on June 25, 2018, 05:12:48 PM
My bad then guys. Sorry :blush. The facebook post litteraly says : " Four guys at Five guys Netherlands" for me. But it must be facebook recognizing that i am from the Netherlands and turning "five guys" into "fiveguysNetherlands" then i guess. Sorry for all the confusion people!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Herrick on June 25, 2018, 06:24:15 PM
AFAIK, he did exactly that up until SDoIT.. From ToT onwards he's been there with the rest of the guys throughout the writing process..

The band themselves encouraged him to do that.. Otherwise... well, I'd think most here already know that story..

Which story?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 25, 2018, 08:21:56 PM
Where did the netherlands come from?  I'm looking at the facebook post and does not say Netherlands.  Also, the signs inside are all in english not dutch in the five guys.  Not sure if Five Guys is international either, it could be though.

Ok, so I know we're not supposed to speculate where they're at but that Five Guys looks identical to one in Spokane, Washington.

I think they might be in Spokane.

...or Rockford, Illinois.



Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Schurftkut on June 25, 2018, 10:57:21 PM
changing countries with VPN changes the FiveGuys location on FB. And yes, there's one in The Netherlands now since about 2months ago.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 26, 2018, 01:21:25 AM
Where did the netherlands come from? 

From the bottom of the ocean, where they eventually rose up with tectonic changes and then man artificially created in some parts more lands.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: noxon on June 26, 2018, 01:53:15 AM
I do believe that DT only twice has recorded an album outside of NY; WDADU was recorded in PA and Awake in LA. Just sayin...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 26, 2018, 07:01:55 AM
I love people on Facebook trying to guess which Five Guys they were at... Every Five Guys looks almost exactly the same on the inside  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on June 26, 2018, 11:00:09 AM
So they didn't take an international flight for some five guys?!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: kingshmegland on June 26, 2018, 11:10:08 AM
So they didn't take an international flight for some five guys?!

For pancakes maybe.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Pax on June 26, 2018, 02:13:53 PM
DT just made us participate in a Spotify-playlist contest and asked us to title our entries as We Are: Dream Theater.

Jordan posted a video using his keys to jokingly play We Are: Dream Theater using the EWQL Symphonic Choirs app.

Is We Are: Dream Theater the title of the new album?  :lol

I hope not lol
I hope the new album has a standard DT album title. We haven't had one since 2011
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Nathan Explosion on June 26, 2018, 04:57:47 PM
Mangini is really cooking at today's session.

https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155378660692181/
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on June 26, 2018, 05:12:27 PM
Magic Mike's Wings are looking yummy
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 26, 2018, 07:25:11 PM
Looks like they're having fun and enjoying the time they have. All of them together, enjoying a a bbq. And just having fun. Which in turn creates good music.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: kingshmegland on June 26, 2018, 07:53:38 PM
Mangini is really cooking at today's session.

https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155378660692181/

His tongs crossover barbecue paradiddles is second to none.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 26, 2018, 08:14:09 PM
Mangini is really cooking at today's session.

https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155378660692181/

His tongs crossover barbecue paradiddles is second to none.

He cooks in 19/16, you can really feel the subdivisions :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 26, 2018, 08:20:03 PM
Its all 16th over 32nd paradiddles.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: kingshmegland on June 26, 2018, 08:25:15 PM
Mike Mangini's Concert Cannon Barbecue Sauce.

 You've got to reach for it!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 26, 2018, 08:27:29 PM
Mike Mangini's Concert Cannon Barbecue Sauce.

 You've got to reach for it!

The special sauce is....
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ToT-147 on June 26, 2018, 09:45:03 PM
AFAIK, he did exactly that up until SDoIT.. From ToT onwards he's been there with the rest of the guys throughout the writing process..

The band themselves encouraged him to do that.. Otherwise... well, I'd think most here already know that story..

Which story?

When they (mainly MP) started to question if James was still the right singer for the band.. They had a big sit-down with him, which was almost like a shape-up or ship-out kind of meeting.. Of course JLB listened to theirs demands and since then he improved in almost all the aspects that he could (stage presence, vocal training, being a part of the writing process and stop crediting himself as a songwriter when he never was)..


I hope the new album has a standard DT album title. We haven't had one since 2011

... and a good one since 2007.. ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 27, 2018, 01:02:02 AM
Jordan also made a comment about a song inspired by Yes and Rush vibes, and they posted a blank "Song 8" annotation sheet. They already wrote seven songs and getting ready for the eight?  :o

Anyway, I love how without really spoiling the actual music they keep us involved and more than that, it looks like they're all together, James included, having a good time. Who knows if the other guys pressed for it, or JP and JR themselves realized that this time around it had to be a team effort and wanted and insisted for everyone to be there all together.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: noxon on June 27, 2018, 01:36:38 AM
Cue countdown until someone has interpreted this image

https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/photos/a.10152286380427181.1073741827.7677942180/10155379304077181/?type=3&theater
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: |KirK| on June 27, 2018, 02:35:23 AM
8 songs in ten days?!  :omg: It's crazy how, after 13 albums, they can still create music so easily...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: liran95 on June 27, 2018, 02:42:07 AM
Cue countdown until someone has interpreted this image

https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/photos/a.10152286380427181.1073741827.7677942180/10155379304077181/?type=3&theater


(https://serving.photos.photobox.com/08028043a5007168405fb5a847e1b3c7d96795dd71cf752f77fa19f92a6bdd6776c40a73.jpg)


"Behind the [SOMETHING]"
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: |KirK| on June 27, 2018, 04:01:17 AM
Cue countdown until someone has interpreted this image

https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/photos/a.10152286380427181.1073741827.7677942180/10155379304077181/?type=3&theater


(https://serving.photos.photobox.com/08028043a5007168405fb5a847e1b3c7d96795dd71cf752f77fa19f92a6bdd6776c40a73.jpg)


"Behind the [SOMETHING]"
Behind the Veil pt.II  :omg:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: krands85 on June 27, 2018, 04:33:24 AM
Looks like "The Light Before the Dark" to me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 27, 2018, 04:37:35 AM
Looks like "The Light Before the Dark" to me.

Now that would be a kickass title!!!  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Evermind on June 27, 2018, 04:41:13 AM
I'm seeing The Light Before the Cigar. :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on June 27, 2018, 05:11:40 AM
Looks like "The Light Before the Dark" to me.

If this is the title I imagine a song that starts acoustic and then progressively becomes ANTR.  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2018, 05:24:46 AM
I'm thinking it's an intro piece, like WFS... leading to a heavy song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on June 27, 2018, 05:47:47 AM
BTW It's nice to hear that they already wrote seven songs. It seems they are very inspired. We'll wait tomorrow to hear answers from the Facebook Q&A
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: JRuless on June 27, 2018, 05:50:33 AM
8 songs in ten days?!  :omg: It's crazy how, after 13 albums, they can still create music so easily...

Looks like 3 days for a song as on the sheet I desiphered 6/23-25/2018
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: liran95 on June 27, 2018, 06:08:58 AM
Looks like "The Light Before the Dark" to me.

 I think you might be right  :o

But I'm still kind of seeing "Beh---" instead of "Bef---" so it might end up being "The Light Behind The Dark"
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on June 27, 2018, 06:33:07 AM
Oh, they tease us hard this time again!

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: AngelBack on June 27, 2018, 06:33:55 AM
Looks like "The Light Before the Dark" to me.

 I think you might be right  :o

But I'm still kind of seeing "Beh---" instead of "Bef---" so it might end up being "The Light Behind The Dark"

That actually makes more sense.  Illumination Theory pt. II.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: goo-goo on June 27, 2018, 06:40:43 AM
Cue countdown until someone has interpreted this image

https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/photos/a.10152286380427181.1073741827.7677942180/10155379304077181/?type=3&theater


Ah...the CSI filter makes its presence.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 27, 2018, 08:16:35 AM
I saw this on facebook and was like “Song 8 already? Man, these guys are amazing! Too bad this is only a blank page with no other clues in it”. Then I come to DTF and people have already figured out half of the song title (or working title) for song 7 and are guessing how heavy it is :rollin
We should’ve already changed DTF name to “Enigma Machine” ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2018, 08:39:27 AM
8 songs in ten days?!  :omg: It's crazy how, after 13 albums, they can still create music so easily...

I was really hoping that spending so much time together in the cabin, they would be able to write so easily that they'd make too many songs, that they'd need to trim the fat and eventually we'd get some b-sides on top of a stellar album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on June 27, 2018, 08:55:18 AM
Sounds like if it's 8 songs, there's inevitably going to be some mindless wankery and sections that overstay their welcome. Wonderful. Oh well.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2018, 09:02:40 AM
Sounds like if it's 8 songs, there's inevitably going to be some mindless wankery and sections that overstay their welcome. Wonderful. Oh well.


Good... that's Dream Theater!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 27, 2018, 09:03:01 AM
Sounds like if it's 8 songs, there's inevitably going to be some mindless wankery and sections that overstay their welcome. Wonderful. Oh well.

Well, it's 8 songs SO FAR  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on June 27, 2018, 09:10:51 AM
Sounds like if it's 8 songs, there's inevitably going to be some mindless wankery and sections that overstay their welcome. Wonderful. Oh well.


Good... that's Dream Theater!

^This, absolutely.  :lol

And not to pick on you, but since we have heard absolutely zero percent of the album, presuming to know what it will be like is really pointless and silly.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on June 27, 2018, 09:18:18 AM
Sounds like if it's 8 songs, there's inevitably going to be some mindless wankery and sections that overstay their welcome. Wonderful. Oh well.


Good... that's Dream Theater!

^This, absolutely.  :lol

And not to pick on you, but since we have heard absolutely zero percent of the album, presuming to know what it will be like is really pointless and silly.

Man, bosk :) I know you think I like to insult this band that I'm a massive fan of, I said that because they've been doing this long enough and have released enough albums exactly in that vein to give me that impression. I'm still buying it on day one, I'm still going to give it a fair listen, I'm still a huge fan, but I really don't think it's that farfetched to make that prediction. I am hoping, crossing my fingers, that they're playing to their strengths here, but there's a reason I haven't listened to Outcry, Lost Not Forgotten, etc. in a number of years - the mindless shredding :) I am just praying this album is more like some tracks on The Astonishing to me and not the self-titled or the low points of ADTOE. How many more albums do they have in them? I just want the best possible stuff. And now I'll shut up for everyone's sake. You're welcome. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2018, 09:21:42 AM
Another album in vein of ADTOE would possibly be their best stuff possible.  I have no doubt they are doing their best here.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 27, 2018, 09:27:49 AM
For me the "worst" wankery was left behind with SC / Black Clouds. I won't say that the Outcry solo section isn't outrageous, but it kinda works and somehow stays within the mood of the song. Same for Breaking All Illusions, it's really captivating. They've left behind the copy and paste solo sections, which was basically the only thing I ever disliked about them, and I'm confident the new songs will be cohesive and that the solo sections even if long won't completely derail the mood of the song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: AngelBack on June 27, 2018, 09:31:12 AM
For me the "worst" wankery was left behind with SC / Black Clouds. I won't say that the Outcry solo section isn't outrageous, but it kinda works and somehow stays within the mood of the song. Same for Breaking All Illusions, it's really captivating. They've left behind the copy and paste solo sections, which was basically the only thing I ever disliked about them, and I'm confident the new songs will be cohesive and that the solo sections even if long won't completely derail the mood of the song.


But the "wankery" on TMOLS is one of their best.....maybe this goes in the controversial thread....
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 27, 2018, 09:34:57 AM
That is possibly, my opinion of course, the worst wanking example EVER of DT  :lol "Hey, listen to this slow and melanchonic song about drowning and giving one's life in sacrificHEY HOW ABOUT SOME LTE FOR 5 MINUTES".
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: AngelBack on June 27, 2018, 09:43:28 AM
That is possibly, my opinion of course, the worst wanking example EVER of DT  :lol "Hey, listen to this slow and melanchonic song about drowning and giving one's life in sacrificHEY HOW ABOUT SOME LTE FOR 5 MINUTES".

It's cool, to each his own.  But to further the controversial love of TMOLS, I wish the outro was LONGER.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on June 27, 2018, 09:45:09 AM
For me, I just find that instrumental part to be the best part of the song, but it doesn't really fit. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on June 27, 2018, 09:50:08 AM
For me the "worst" wankery was left behind with SC / Black Clouds. I won't say that the Outcry solo section isn't outrageous, but it kinda works and somehow stays within the mood of the song. Same for Breaking All Illusions, it's really captivating. They've left behind the copy and paste solo sections, which was basically the only thing I ever disliked about them, and I'm confident the new songs will be cohesive and that the solo sections even if long won't completely derail the mood of the song.


But the "wankery" on TMOLS is one of their best.....maybe this goes in the controversial thread....

I agree with both your post and the one you quoted.  Responding further just to say that I find it interesting that you mention that section in TMOLS.  I make it no secret that I REALLY dislike that song.  But interestingly, the one part of the song I really do like is the instrumental section.  It could have been really awesome as part of a song that I liked better.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on June 27, 2018, 11:05:58 AM
New video update from Mike Mangini https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155380122157181/

We knew this already, but he confirms he's writing music with them and by himself :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on June 27, 2018, 11:07:21 AM
Mangini just posted a video and this made me smile.

"Many of the mornings I've written songs..."

 :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Podaar on June 27, 2018, 11:17:49 AM
The fact that these writing session updates are all I could hope for but never expected makes them all the more cool!  :tup  :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on June 27, 2018, 11:27:40 AM
New video update from Mike Mangini https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155380122157181/

We knew this already, but he confirms he's writing music with them and by himself :metal

Exactly.  THAT is what I know many people wanted to hear, hence my post about looking forward to today's video.  I hope this makes a lot of people happy.  :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Stewie on June 27, 2018, 11:52:21 AM
I’m cautiously optimistic for the new album. I’m okay with heavy, as long as it comes across naturally, and not too forced sounding.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 27, 2018, 12:02:13 PM
I wonder if the 7 songs they have are complete, or if they’re just working on bits of each one. If they’re complete, then damn! They’re on a roll for sure!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Peter Mc on June 27, 2018, 12:26:29 PM
If you don’t like a bit of self indulgent wankery, are you even a fan of Dream Theater? It’s part of their DNA, the unspoken 6th pillar of DT.

Got to say am getting super excited already, it’s great to hear from them in the studio. I listen to lots of music but no other band gets me this excited for a new release. I usually take the day off work when a new DT album comes out as I’m so desperate to hear it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 27, 2018, 12:38:55 PM
If you don’t like a bit of self indulgent wankery, are you even a fan of Dream Theater? It’s part of their DNA, the unspoken 6th pillar of DT.

Got to say am getting super excited already, it’s great to hear from them in the studio. I listen to lots of music but no other band gets me this excited for a new release. I usually take the day off work when a new DT album comes out as I’m so desperate to hear it.

Brilliant strategy sir.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on June 27, 2018, 12:42:38 PM
Dragonforce is one of my all-time favorite bands, I love self-indulgent wankery. Just not always, or when it comes out of nowhere like that run in Lost Not Forgotten early on. Some like it, but I don't - all that is ok :biggrin: If there's wankery, I love some melodic licks thrown in there amongst the wankery, like in the Best of Times solo when it really starts to heat up, oh man, that is the good stuff right there. Or that fast part of the solo in ITNOG. Makes me break a sweat just watching JP play that. I wonder if he'll do something that insane this time around  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on June 27, 2018, 12:58:45 PM
New video update from Mike Mangini https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155380122157181/

We knew this already, but he confirms he's writing music with them and by himself :metal

Now, THAT is cool! Rock on, guys! :metal

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 27, 2018, 01:47:51 PM
New video update from Mike Mangini https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155380122157181/

We knew this already, but he confirms he's writing music with them and by himself :metal

Awesome update!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on June 27, 2018, 01:55:57 PM
Awesome!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 27, 2018, 03:42:13 PM
I was really hoping that spending so much time together in the cabin, they would be able to write so easily that they'd make too many songs, that they'd need to trim the fat and eventually we'd get some b-sides on top of a stellar album.
Perhaps with them writing in a rehearsal space, this will happen. But then again, I wouldn't expect it. Even when they wrote ToT, there was nothing extra that was recorded. Since FII, they have always just written enough for an album, and in a way, I understand, because otherwise there's a lot of extra time (and therefore money) spent in the recording studio for those extra songs.

Still, I do hope that there will be extras recorded for this album - maybe at least a few cover songs like they did for BCaSL. Or another thought would be to do alternate (and not just acoustic) versions of some of the songs, like they did with the piano version of Wither. Given the fact that they're now on Inside Out, maybe we'll see a deluxe version of the album and/or some B-sides. But I won't get my hopes up.
 
 
I wonder if the 7 songs they have are complete, or if they’re just working on bits of each one. If they’re complete, then damn! They’re on a roll for sure!!
If it's same as the way they wrote when MP was in the band (which I believe is the case), then I would say that there are 7 songs they've completed already. Generally they would come up with different song ideas (sometimes out of jam sessions), which may or may not work with the song they are focusing on at the moment. If the part doesn't work for that song or any others, it gets set aside to perhaps be used later. In fact, there are tons of ideas that they come up with that never find a home (used in a song) that we never hear. Every great once in a while, an idea might even be resurrected from an earlier writing session if remembered, such as one of the riffs in TGP (starting at 1:44) which was written during the FII sessions, and most of (if not all of) IWBY which was written during the ToT sessions but discarded due to the fact that it didn't fit the heavy/dark feel they were going with for ToT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Herrick on June 27, 2018, 04:22:52 PM
AFAIK, he did exactly that up until SDoIT.. From ToT onwards he's been there with the rest of the guys throughout the writing process..

The band themselves encouraged him to do that.. Otherwise... well, I'd think most here already know that story..

Which story?

When they (mainly MP) started to question if James was still the right singer for the band.. They had a big sit-down with him, which was almost like a shape-up or ship-out kind of meeting.. Of course JLB listened to theirs demands and since then he improved in almost all the aspects that he could (stage presence, vocal training, being a part of the writing process and stop crediting himself as a songwriter when he never was)..


LaBrie was taking credit for song writing?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: lucasembarbosa on June 27, 2018, 04:49:11 PM
New video update from Mike Mangini https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155380122157181/

We knew this already, but he confirms he's writing music with them and by himself :metal

Exactly.  THAT is what I know many people wanted to hear, hence my post about looking forward to today's video.  I hope this makes a lot of people happy.  :)

But the question is: is MM writing on his own to a solo work or to DT14 as  a main composer for one or more songs? If it's the second option, SUPERB
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on June 27, 2018, 05:05:01 PM
New video update from Mike Mangini https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155380122157181/

We knew this already, but he confirms he's writing music with them and by himself :metal

Exactly.  THAT is what I know many people wanted to hear, hence my post about looking forward to today's video.  I hope this makes a lot of people happy.  :)

But the question is: is MM writing on his own to a solo work or to DT14 as  a main composer for one or more songs? If it's the second option, SUPERB

Probably the second..


 :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: wolven74 on June 27, 2018, 05:11:34 PM
Hey Guys and Gals... I know it's been quite a while. Been on an off phase with DT music for a while. I get that way in between releases sometimes. anyway... I saw what I would guess to be their first or second video with JP giving us the studio tour, and I was immensely surprised that Mangini is recording a DT album on a single bass drum kit. I know he's got a double bass pedal (and probably 5 or 6 more pedals besides.) Recording on a single bass kit makes sense I suppose, based on the size of the studio.

On another note... I really want to try Mangini's BBQ wings. They look absolutely delicious!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: SwedishGoose on June 27, 2018, 05:15:19 PM
Hey Guys and Gals... I know it's been quite a while. Been on an off phase with DT music for a while. I get that way in between releases sometimes. anyway... I saw what I would guess to be their first or second video with JP giving us the studio tour, and I was immensely surprised that Mangini is recording a DT album on a single bass drum kit. I know he's got a double bass pedal (and probably 5 or 6 more pedals besides.) Recording on a single bass kit makes sense I suppose, based on the size of the studio.

On another note... I really want to try Mangini's BBQ wings. They look absolutely delicious!

They are writing and recording demos... the real recording will happen later.
At least that is how I have understood it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: noxon on June 27, 2018, 05:15:28 PM
They're not recording yet. It's just the writing phase. When they're done writing, they will move to a proper recording studio and record the album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Dream Team on June 27, 2018, 05:20:49 PM
Sounds like if it's 8 songs, there's inevitably going to be some mindless wankery and sections that overstay their welcome. Wonderful. Oh well.


Good... that's Dream Theater!

^This, absolutely.  :lol

And not to pick on you, but since we have heard absolutely zero percent of the album, presuming to know what it will be like is really pointless and silly.

I love how people say difficult wankery is “mindless” but boring stuff in stock 4/4 is the stuff of brilliance  :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on June 27, 2018, 05:34:52 PM
If you don’t like a bit of self indulgent wankery, are you even a fan of Dream Theater? It’s part of their DNA, the unspoken 6th pillar of DT.

Dragonforce is one of my all-time favorite bands, I love self-indulgent wankery. Just not always, or when it comes out of nowhere like that run in Lost Not Forgotten early on. Some like it, but I don't - all that is ok :biggrin: If there's wankery, I love some melodic licks thrown in there amongst the wankery, like in the Best of Times solo when it really starts to heat up, oh man, that is the good stuff right there. Or that fast part of the solo in ITNOG. Makes me break a sweat just watching JP play that. I wonder if he'll do something that insane this time around  :metal

I think everyone has a line.  On one side, the "wankery" is self-indulgent; on the other side, it's awesome.  My example of where DT crossed the line was at the beginning of In the Presence of Enemies.  I distinctly remember listening to the intro and really liking it, and then they went into that "Flight of the Bumblebee" section, and it all came crashing down.  For a lot of folks, on the other hand (although I doubt any are actually DT fans), the instrumental section in Metropolis might be considered self-indulgent wankery.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: KevShmev on June 27, 2018, 05:37:01 PM
Remember when some said the band never gives us as much as Portnoy used to.  In just the last few weeks, they have blown that theory to smithereens.  I don't remember fans ever getting this many updates on the fly during the making of a DT record.  :tup :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Anguyen92 on June 27, 2018, 05:42:28 PM
^^ Instead, now you're probably going to get some people posting "They are posting too much about the writing process.  Where's the mystic?  I like it in the old days where I don't hear any news about the band and I go to the record store, one day, and there's the album" and blah blah blah nostalgic speil.

For what it is worth, I do like it that they are keeping us updated on the album process after keeping us in the dark (rightfully so, given this big production undertaking) regarding The Astonishing (please, don't respond and quote this post about how they should keep us further in the dark and not release The Astonishing in the first place).
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Podaar on June 27, 2018, 05:49:37 PM
Cue Dublagent66 in 3... 2... 1...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on June 27, 2018, 06:00:50 PM
Sounds like if it's 8 songs, there's inevitably going to be some mindless wankery and sections that overstay their welcome. Wonderful. Oh well.


Good... that's Dream Theater!

^This, absolutely.  :lol

And not to pick on you, but since we have heard absolutely zero percent of the album, presuming to know what it will be like is really pointless and silly.

I love how people say difficult wankery is “mindless” but boring stuff in stock 4/4 is the stuff of brilliance  :rollin

It can be.  Complexity and a shitload of notes means nothing on its own. What you wrote is emblematic of the prog fan stereotype. Complexity good, 4/4 plebian!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: kingshmegland on June 27, 2018, 06:03:28 PM
Sometimes I want to wank,  and sometimes I want to grind.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on June 27, 2018, 06:43:54 PM
Sometimes I want to wank,  and sometimes I want to grind.


I mean... What are we supposed to do with that?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bl5150 on June 27, 2018, 06:56:47 PM
Sometimes I want to wank,  and sometimes I want to grind.


I mean... What are we supposed to do with that?

Also, I would never cab to a debate.



Mass debater?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on June 27, 2018, 06:58:12 PM
 :lol


Totally!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Setlist Scotty on June 27, 2018, 07:06:49 PM
Remember when some said the band never gives us as much as Portnoy used to.  In just the last few weeks, they have blown that theory to smithereens.  I don't remember fans ever getting this many updates on the fly during the making of a DT record.  :tup :tup
Yeah, but it took them 4 albums before they finally came around to doing it. I think the theory was proven. Glad they've finally made the change and are starting to give us what we've been missing for several years.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on June 27, 2018, 07:08:55 PM
You know what makes me happy?

They seem very excited for this new album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: KevShmev on June 27, 2018, 07:14:23 PM
Remember when some said the band never gives us as much as Portnoy used to.  In just the last few weeks, they have blown that theory to smithereens.  I don't remember fans ever getting this many updates on the fly during the making of a DT record.  :tup :tup
Yeah, but it took them 4 albums before they finally came around to doing it. I think the theory was proven. Glad they've finally made the change and are starting to give us what we've been missing for several years.

 :lol :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Dream Team on June 27, 2018, 08:03:29 PM
Sounds like if it's 8 songs, there's inevitably going to be some mindless wankery and sections that overstay their welcome. Wonderful. Oh well.


Good... that's Dream Theater!

^This, absolutely.  :lol

And not to pick on you, but since we have heard absolutely zero percent of the album, presuming to know what it will be like is really pointless and silly.

I love how people say difficult wankery is “mindless” but boring stuff in stock 4/4 is the stuff of brilliance  :rollin

It can be.  Complexity and a shitload of notes means nothing on its own. What you wrote is emblematic of the prog fan stereotype. Complexity good, 4/4 plebian!

My issue is with the word “mindless”. I think it more often applies to bands who play the same 3 chords and drum beats every song, which is pretty much the definition of mindless. Coming up with intricate or complicated passages that challenges yourself and the listener requires a lot more mind. Not to mention there might be wankery in 1 or 2 songs on the album but people act like it comprises the entire album  ::)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Lethean on June 27, 2018, 08:09:04 PM
Sounds like if it's 8 songs, there's inevitably going to be some mindless wankery and sections that overstay their welcome. Wonderful. Oh well.


Good... that's Dream Theater!

^This, absolutely.  :lol

And not to pick on you, but since we have heard absolutely zero percent of the album, presuming to know what it will be like is really pointless and silly.

I love how people say difficult wankery is “mindless” but boring stuff in stock 4/4 is the stuff of brilliance  :rollin

It can be.  Complexity and a shitload of notes means nothing on its own. What you wrote is emblematic of the prog fan stereotype. Complexity good, 4/4 plebian!

My issue is with the word “mindless”. I think it more often applies to bands who play the same 3 chords and drum beats every song, which is pretty much the definition of mindless. Coming up with intricate or complicated passages that challenges yourself and the listener requires a lot more mind. Not to mention there might be wankery in 1 or 2 songs on the album but people act like it comprises the entire album  ::)
I think you're both silly. Of course there are some great songs in 4/4 and also boring stuff.  There's incredible songs that are complex and feature shredding, and boring songs too.  And which is good vs boring is up to the listener.  :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: dparrott on June 27, 2018, 08:56:18 PM
I think you're both silly. Of course there are some great songs in 4/4 ...

The first thing that comes to my mind is the verse riff for Home.  Simple and basic but I love it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: noxon on June 27, 2018, 11:27:42 PM

Yeah, but it took them 4 albums before they finally came around to doing it. I think the theory was proven. Glad they've finally made the change and are starting to give us what we've been missing for several years.

To be fair, two of those albums were wrapped in secrecy due to circumstances. Adtoe because dt hadn't announced the new drummer yet, and ta because of the whole concept thing. And we got some cool EPK videos from the ADTOE and DT12 sessions. DT12 also had the fan listening parties in a lot of cities. Plus chocolate cake. TA had a completely different leadup to it with the concept reveal.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: PetFish on June 28, 2018, 12:01:25 AM
I love how people say difficult wankery is “mindless” but boring stuff in stock 4/4 is the stuff of brilliance  :rollin

This is so true that it was right in front of my face the whole time.  Mind.  Blown.

r/Showerthoughts
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on June 28, 2018, 05:01:51 AM
One thing that I want to throw out there is that beside the music, I hope the change to Inside Out will bring a new approach also to the actual booklet and packaging.

A Dramatic Turn of Events was just fine, it was the standard case, no big deal.

Dream Theater, at least in my stores, came with the digipack version, two discs included, AND the booklet glued to the case. You wanna go through the booklet? get the whole package.

Then came The Astonishing: once again the booklet is glued to the package, and on top of that, on the inlay there are white credits on a basically white backgrounds, and the lyrics are written in small and generic Arial (or something very similar) font. Why lord why? with such a gorgeous album a little part of the pleasure is also to take off the booklet, read the lyrics as you listen to the songs, even just read the lyrics period for a quick trip down memory lane (am I the only one that occasionally takes off the booklet of an album to go through it and just have a general memory of what the album is like going quickly through the lyrics?).

I basically never, ever read The Astonishing lyrics holding the actual CD package, which I actually bought of course, in my hands. I've bought something and the label packaged it in a way that made me lose interest in actually holding it in my hands, and considering how I ripped the music on my computer, I guess I can safely say that I barely ever touched the CD (which, again, I actually bought). The only interaction I had with the physical copy was whenever I was listening to it in my car (old car, no mp3 player), otherwise, it was always mp3 player or PC speakers AND the lyrics off the internet.

I hope the next album will be something good to look at and to hold in your hands, and with a free booklet.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Pax on June 28, 2018, 05:16:52 AM
You know what makes me happy?

They seem very excited for this new album.
Did they ever seem not very excited for any past album?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Enigmachine on June 28, 2018, 06:14:15 AM
Then came The Astonishing: once again the booklet is glued to the package, and on top of that, on the inlay there are write credits on a basically white backgrounds, and the lyrics are written in small and generic Arial (or something very similar) font. Why lord why? with such a gorgeous album a little part of the pleasure is also to take off the booklet, read the lyrics as you listen to the songs, even just read the lyrics period for a quick trip down memory lane (am I the only one that occasionally takes off the booklet of an album to go through it and just have a general memory of what the album is like going quickly through the lyrics?).

This. If any album needed a good booklet it was TA, but it just didn't. ADToE and DT12 have a way better overall presentation. At least Hugh Syme had unique artwork for each song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 28, 2018, 07:04:36 AM
Remember when some said the band never gives us as much as Portnoy used to.  In just the last few weeks, they have blown that theory to smithereens.  I don't remember fans ever getting this many updates on the fly during the making of a DT record.  :tup :tup
Yeah, but it took them 4 albums before they finally came around to doing it. I think the theory was proven. Glad they've finally made the change and are starting to give us what we've been missing for several years.

 :lol :lol

 :lol Indeed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on June 28, 2018, 07:07:07 AM
I would like a deluxe package to also come in jewel case form or something a little less fragile than the cardboard digipaks or whatever they're called. Every album I have back to Systematic Chaos has an extremely beat-up case because of the material used. Even DT12, which I never listen to, is rough on the edges.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on June 28, 2018, 08:11:07 AM

Yeah, but it took them 4 albums before they finally came around to doing it. I think the theory was proven. Glad they've finally made the change and are starting to give us what we've been missing for several years.

To be fair, two of those albums were wrapped in secrecy due to circumstances. Adtoe because dt hadn't announced the new drummer yet, and ta because of the whole concept thing. And we got some cool EPK videos from the ADTOE and DT12 sessions. DT12 also had the fan listening parties in a lot of cities. Plus chocolate cake. TA had a completely different leadup to it with the concept reveal.

This.  And three LONG drummer audition videos.  And a FREE live Christmas album (not song or short video clip).  And live DVD that featured an orchestra conducted by a fan.  And, because the fans wanted it, a modification to the TA tour set to include a few fan favorites.  And, because the fans wanted it, a full "Images and Words and Beyond" tour, with the "beyond" featuring songs that were specifically chosen as fan favorites.  But we're somehow only just now, four albums in, getting the level of fan service Mike Portnoy provided?  Sorry, Scott.  But I have to disagree with that one.  I will acknowledge that it is different than when Mike was in the band.  And the quantity of "extra" fan service might not quite be the same.  But they absolutely have been giving us some pretty cool extra stuff, and have been doing it pretty consistently. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 28, 2018, 09:37:31 AM

Yeah, but it took them 4 albums before they finally came around to doing it. I think the theory was proven. Glad they've finally made the change and are starting to give us what we've been missing for several years.

To be fair, two of those albums were wrapped in secrecy due to circumstances. Adtoe because dt hadn't announced the new drummer yet, and ta because of the whole concept thing. And we got some cool EPK videos from the ADTOE and DT12 sessions. DT12 also had the fan listening parties in a lot of cities. Plus chocolate cake. TA had a completely different leadup to it with the concept reveal.

This.  And three LONG drummer audition videos.  And a FREE live Christmas album (not song or short video clip).  And live DVD that featured an orchestra conducted by a fan.  And, because the fans wanted it, a modification to the TA tour set to include a few fan favorites.  And, because the fans wanted it, a full "Images and Words and Beyond" tour, with the "beyond" featuring songs that were specifically chosen as fan favorites.  But we're somehow only just now, four albums in, getting the level of fan service Mike Portnoy provided?  Sorry, Scott.  But I have to disagree with that one.  I will acknowledge that it is different than when Mike was in the band.  And the quantity of "extra" fan service might not quite be the same.  But they absolutely have been giving us some pretty cool extra stuff, and have been doing it pretty consistently.

I agree with this.  I think it's just a case of the bandmembers doing all of those extra things without broadcasting it, instead of MP doing all of those extra things while telling you all about the fact that he's doing those things.
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Post by: mikeyd23 on June 28, 2018, 09:52:49 AM

Yeah, but it took them 4 albums before they finally came around to doing it. I think the theory was proven. Glad they've finally made the change and are starting to give us what we've been missing for several years.

To be fair, two of those albums were wrapped in secrecy due to circumstances. Adtoe because dt hadn't announced the new drummer yet, and ta because of the whole concept thing. And we got some cool EPK videos from the ADTOE and DT12 sessions. DT12 also had the fan listening parties in a lot of cities. Plus chocolate cake. TA had a completely different leadup to it with the concept reveal.

This.  And three LONG drummer audition videos.  And a FREE live Christmas album (not song or short video clip).  And live DVD that featured an orchestra conducted by a fan.  And, because the fans wanted it, a modification to the TA tour set to include a few fan favorites.  And, because the fans wanted it, a full "Images and Words and Beyond" tour, with the "beyond" featuring songs that were specifically chosen as fan favorites.  But we're somehow only just now, four albums in, getting the level of fan service Mike Portnoy provided?  Sorry, Scott.  But I have to disagree with that one.  I will acknowledge that it is different than when Mike was in the band.  And the quantity of "extra" fan service might not quite be the same.  But they absolutely have been giving us some pretty cool extra stuff, and have been doing it pretty consistently.

I agree with this.  I think it's just a case of the bandmembers doing all of those extra things without broadcasting it, instead of MP doing all of those extra things while telling you all about the fact that he's doing those things.

Well yeah, that certainly has a lot to do with it.
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Post by: devieira73 on June 28, 2018, 01:01:04 PM
Anyone knows if The Facebook's Live Q&A should be starting by now?
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Post by: devieira73 on June 28, 2018, 01:04:10 PM
It begins!
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 28, 2018, 01:05:46 PM
Any chance this will be recorded and available for those of us who don’t do the Facebook?
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Post by: AngelBack on June 28, 2018, 01:27:06 PM
Working title "Can of Worms"  :metal
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Post by: devieira73 on June 28, 2018, 01:30:20 PM
Also Mangini giving some lyric ideas, I’ve heard this right?! If so, very cool…
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Post by: Skeever on June 28, 2018, 01:40:08 PM
It's fine they're doing this but I do prefer the more "behind the Scenes" vibe that MP would do.

The drummer audition, the Luna Park Behind the Scenes, these vids, all have somewhat of a conscientious-if-not-scripted feel to them. It's not better or worse than the old way they did it, just different.
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Post by: Podaar on June 28, 2018, 01:55:51 PM
Ha, JMX looks soooo uncomfortable.
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Post by: mikeyd23 on June 28, 2018, 02:08:16 PM
I was only able to catch the last few minutes of that. Any interesting info in the video?
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Post by: rumborak on June 28, 2018, 02:09:52 PM
One piece of interesting info was that they also decided to track the music in that space, i.e. they will not move to another studio for tracking. Apparently that was decided minutes before the live stream.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on June 28, 2018, 02:11:48 PM
New album out earlier next year.
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Post by: MinistroRaven on June 28, 2018, 02:12:35 PM
Video available here https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/10155382393742181/
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Post by: devieira73 on June 28, 2018, 02:13:38 PM
Yes, I understood that also (about the recording studio). I hope they can get a very good quality recording there.

This live chat was very cool to see the vibe within the band, but there wasn't a lot of information on the new album. Since they choose the questions, I imagine they don't want to give too much information for now. Of course, maybe some information that were asked they probably still don't know yet at this point.
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Post by: noxon on June 28, 2018, 02:17:23 PM
for most of the instruments you really don't need much of a studio to record. guitars and basses are probably done in boxed up amps, keyboards are put right into the daw, and then you're just left with vocals and drums...
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Post by: rumborak on June 28, 2018, 02:25:20 PM
BTW, was the 175 guitars thing a joke, or is that for real?
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Post by: AngelBack on June 28, 2018, 02:29:31 PM
Well they kinda did acknowledge the drums needed a different type mix to be able to hear them better.  And it seems they are going for a less processed more organic sound.
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Post by: mikeyd23 on June 28, 2018, 02:30:59 PM
One piece of interesting info was that they also decided to track the music in that space, i.e. they will not move to another studio for tracking. Apparently that was decided minutes before the live stream.

Wow, that's surprising. Drums might be a challenge, but everything else should be pretty straightforward.

Curious as to who will be engineering the record. That studio they are in now doesn't seem to have much outboard gear, so I assume they will be bringing in someone who works primarily in the box.
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Post by: pg1067 on June 28, 2018, 03:24:51 PM
I've only watched the first 18 minutes so far.

Interesting stuff.  I'll be interested to hear the idea that MM "researched" and brought to the band.  Sounded like whatever title he suggested will be the final title for the song.

Myung eats a lot of chicken and looked like he'd rather be anywhere else.

"Can of Worms" as a working title for one of the songs.

Allegedly, Myung "can speak for himself," all evidence to the contrary.

Many different tunings on JP's guitars (I assume the reference to 175 guitars was an exaggeration).

They mentioned an engineer's name at the same time they mentioned Matty (sp?), but I don't know if it's the same person who will be engineering the album.

I'd wager that a certain barbecue place will become a bit more popular than usual.
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Post by: lucasembarbosa on June 28, 2018, 03:27:29 PM
One piece of interesting info was that they also decided to track the music in that space, i.e. they will not move to another studio for tracking. Apparently that was decided minutes before the live stream.

Wow, that's surprising. Drums might be a challenge, but everything else should be pretty straightforward.

Curious as to who will be engineering the record. That studio they are in now doesn't seem to have much outboard gear, so I assume they will be bringing in someone who works primarily in the box.

Recording there doesn't necessarily means they'll be mixing it there... So our hopes on Jens Bogren or Nolly are still up   :biggrin:
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 28, 2018, 03:29:09 PM
Really enjoyed the video. Many thanks to everyone who helped put it together!
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Post by: devieira73 on June 28, 2018, 03:32:30 PM
At some point, they were asked about the album title and James said something about a lyric he was writing... my english isn’t very good and I didn’t understand what was said next. It seemed that they were joking. Anyway, anyone caught what was said?
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 28, 2018, 03:34:36 PM
I'm itchin to be bitchin is a great album title. Hahaha
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Post by: kingshmegland on June 28, 2018, 04:07:25 PM
Sometimes I want to wank,  and sometimes I want to grind.


I mean... What are we supposed to do with that?

Also, I would never cab to a debate.



Mass debater?

Tim needs help translating.   His funny bone is broken. 
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Post by: nattmorker on June 28, 2018, 04:23:40 PM
I really enjoyed the video, i feel a great vibe and they all seem really happy and excited. It's great to know that MM is contributing and he seems happy.
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Post by: GasparXR on June 28, 2018, 04:31:43 PM
I'm waiting patiently for the black metal album with a big marshmallow as the cover art.
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Post by: devieira73 on June 28, 2018, 04:39:35 PM
I'm itchin to be bitchin is a great album title. Hahaha
Thanks! :laugh: :tup
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 28, 2018, 04:48:39 PM
I'm waiting patiently for the black metal album with a big marshmallow as the cover art.

It's a Tomato.
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Post by: bosk1 on June 28, 2018, 04:51:58 PM
Matty (sp?)

He spells it "Maddi."  But his full name is Matthew, so...  :dunno:
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Post by: mikeyd23 on June 28, 2018, 06:18:57 PM
One piece of interesting info was that they also decided to track the music in that space, i.e. they will not move to another studio for tracking. Apparently that was decided minutes before the live stream.

Wow, that's surprising. Drums might be a challenge, but everything else should be pretty straightforward.

Curious as to who will be engineering the record. That studio they are in now doesn't seem to have much outboard gear, so I assume they will be bringing in someone who works primarily in the box.

Recording there doesn't necessarily means they'll be mixing it there... So our hopes on Jens Bogren or Nolly are still up   :biggrin:

Haha, I’m still holding out hope for Nolly!

Matty (sp?)

He spells it "Maddi."  But his full name is Matthew, so...  :dunno:

I love how JP brings Maddi everywhere. Clearly their relationship goes far beyond guitarist and tech. Does JP basically employ Maddi full time now?
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 28, 2018, 06:22:21 PM
I’m happy they decided to track there cuz of the reasons JP gave. Wouldn’t wanna ruin a great thing!
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Post by: TAC on June 28, 2018, 07:55:43 PM
Just finished the Facebook video.

WOW, that was awesome. Seems it was only a few weeks ago where we were asking if there's be any interaction during the process. seems they've really blown it out of the water.

You know what makes me happy?

They seem very excited for this new album.
Did they ever seem not very excited for any past album?

Yeah Pax, I know it's a standard thing, but they really do seem excited about what they are doing. It truly feels genuine.
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Post by: Thoughtspart3 on June 28, 2018, 10:00:02 PM
It is really encouraging that they want the drums to be less buried in the mix and more natural.  It was funny to see MM cheer.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 28, 2018, 10:08:13 PM
OK, I'm stoked.  Mangini is writing and may be writing lyrics and has apparently come up with a song title and possibly a concept, James is in the midst of writing at least one song although he isn't sure if it will come to fruition, Myung may be writing as well, they are going for a bit more of a raw sound, they are recording in that space too (which is a surprise to everyone including James), the band dynamics may be possibly the best they've ever been or at least since Jordan first joined or possibly since the Images & Words days. 

And they're also apparently releasing the album tomorrow! 

I wish they were serious about the last part but early 2019 can't come soon enough.   :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
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Post by: gzarruk on June 28, 2018, 10:51:54 PM
OK, I'm stoked.  Mangini is writing and may be writing lyrics and has apparently come up with a song title and possibly a concept, James is in the midst of writing at least one song although he isn't sure if it will come to fruition, Myung may be writing as well, they are going for a bit more of a raw sound, they are recording in that space too (which is a surprise to everyone including James), the band dynamics may be possibly the best they've ever been or at least since Jordan first joined or possibly since the Images & Words days. 

And they're also apparently releasing the album tomorrow! 

I wish they were serious about the last part but early 2019 can't come soon enough.   :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

I'm as excited as you are! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal

And, yeah, Mike might be writing lyrics for a song, that's awesome to hear! It looks like he's finally getting all the involvement he's wanted to have for all these years. Hopefully this puts to rest all theories of him not being happy with the band and that he was considering to leave after DT14. As for him coming up with a song name/concept, IIRC, this isn't the first time it's happened, as he said on an interview once that he suggested the "what are you willing to live/die for" theme for that section of Illumination Theory :tup

Btw, they answered one of my questions, even though it wasn't one of the big ones. I basically sent a fb comment with A LOT of questions, but the only one that made it to the video was if JM is going to use fretless bass on this album, on which we got a big maybe from him. Time will tell...
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Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on June 29, 2018, 01:00:05 AM
It almost looks like they're at the same location that JP's camp is going to be at.

Also, Jordan mentioned that they had a cool jam where JP was trying out a new guitar model... the 8 string perhaps??  :D

Anyways, all I know is MM seems so excited and I'm pretty sure he wants to spill all the beans really bad.  :lol
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 29, 2018, 01:39:42 AM
Has James mentioned what he's actually doing there, and how he's taking part in the creative process?
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Post by: noxon on June 29, 2018, 03:20:13 AM
It almost looks like they're at the same location that JP's camp is going to be at.

JPs camp is on Long Island, glen cove. Thats near the studio where they recorded the last few albums. (Fun fact - thats where Ravenskill was situated on the Astonishing map).

This is not the studio they're at now. It's a (relatively) new place.
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Post by: SeRoX on June 29, 2018, 03:57:53 AM
I really enjoyed the video, i feel a great vibe and they all seem really happy and excited. It's great to know that MM is contributing and he seems happy.

I don't know if we watched different video but LaBrie and Myung seems pretty uncomfortable. We all know Myung is a silent guy but I don't know the reason why James seems so bored and quiet. All I see Mangini is extremely excited which is good and it's like (again) we see Petrucci and Rudess as main composers and the other guys contributing to some extend.

It's a cliche the band seems excited and hyped for the new record but I'm happy to see now they are all together from the beginning to end.
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Post by: Madman Shepherd on June 29, 2018, 05:39:05 AM
I really enjoyed the video, i feel a great vibe and they all seem really happy and excited. It's great to know that MM is contributing and he seems happy.

I don't know if we watched different video but LaBrie and Myung seems pretty uncomfortable. We all know Myung is a silent guy but I don't know the reason why James seems so bored and quiet.

Bored and quiet? Do you mean laid back and chill? He was still cracking jokes and participating. Same ol James if you ask me
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Post by: cramx3 on June 29, 2018, 06:56:27 AM
OK, I'm stoked.  Mangini is writing and may be writing lyrics and has apparently come up with a song title and possibly a concept

Is that Dirtbags?  :rollin

I can't believe they put out an hour long QA like this.  So cool.  I'll have to watch it in bits at work, but so far it's really cool and been all great news about their creation process and plan for this album so far.
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Post by: gmillerdrake on June 29, 2018, 07:20:23 AM
Cool video. The biggest takeaway I got was the purpose for them recording there being they wanted the album to have a ‘live’ feel and be less ‘produced’. That’s pretty interesting. Can’t wait to hear it.

Judging from some of the comments made it sounded like this album may lean towards the heavy side? Did anyone else get that impression? There were several mentions of ‘gritty’ and ‘nasty’....especially directed towards Jordan.
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Post by: Bertielee on June 29, 2018, 10:50:30 AM
I really enjoyed the video, i feel a great vibe and they all seem really happy and excited. It's great to know that MM is contributing and he seems happy.

I don't know if we watched different video but LaBrie and Myung seems pretty uncomfortable. We all know Myung is a silent guy but I don't know the reason why James seems so bored and quiet.

Don't think James is bored. Quiet, yes, but I think all has to do with being tired as well. Just listen to the guys tell they work up to 11/12 hours a day, even more at times. Must be really demanding.

B.Lee
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Post by: geeeemo on June 29, 2018, 10:55:22 AM
My excitement is really picking up speed now... I am just 2.5 years into my discovery of DT. This is my first new album!!  To say that I have been like a kid in a candy store with all of their music is an understatement.  It wasn't until about 6 mos. ago, that I could actually listen to any other music. But, now with the excitement they have been generating since going to write, I find I am back to where I started  :mehlin  only wanting to listen to them... To add to my excitement yesterday, they answered my question on the FB Live post (how long in the studio each day and what do you do to chill out),  Octavarium came on my shuffle of the Spotify playlist, and then Again on Pandora.. What!??
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Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on June 29, 2018, 11:11:14 AM
My excitement is really picking up speed now... I am just 2.5 years into my discovery of DT. This is my first new album!!  To say that I have been like a kid in a candy store with all of their music is an understatement.  It wasn't until about 6 mos. ago, that I could actually listen to any other music. But, now with the excitement they have been generating since going to write, I find I am back to where I started  :mehlin  only wanting to listen to them... To add to my excitement yesterday, they answered my question on the FB Live post (how long in the studio each day and what do you do to chill out),  Octavarium came on my shuffle of the Spotify playlist, and then Again on Pandora.. What!??

Hearing a first "new" album from a band you like is a pretty cool thing. My first "new" Dream Theater album was Systematic Chaos. I can remember how excited I was for it. I still get excited for new records but back then I could barely function I was so pumped. :lol
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Post by: Kattelox on June 29, 2018, 11:34:34 AM
My excitement is really picking up speed now... I am just 2.5 years into my discovery of DT. This is my first new album!!  To say that I have been like a kid in a candy store with all of their music is an understatement.  It wasn't until about 6 mos. ago, that I could actually listen to any other music. But, now with the excitement they have been generating since going to write, I find I am back to where I started  :mehlin  only wanting to listen to them... To add to my excitement yesterday, they answered my question on the FB Live post (how long in the studio each day and what do you do to chill out),  Octavarium came on my shuffle of the Spotify playlist, and then Again on Pandora.. What!??

Hearing a first "new" album from a band you like is a pretty cool thing. My first "new" Dream Theater album was Systematic Chaos. I can remember how excited I was for it. I still get excited for new records but back then I could barely function I was so pumped. :lol

I'm with you. Technically Octavarium came out while I was a brand new fan but I was not aware of it at all until a couple months after it released. SC was the first one for which I was on the hype train, with the studio videos and fan participation and all that. Can't believe that was 11 years ago.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 29, 2018, 11:42:50 AM
My first new album as a fan was Scenes from a Memory. Hell of a start with the band  :lol
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 29, 2018, 11:45:35 AM
My first new album was Octavarium. Very proud of that too!
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Post by: Bertielee on June 29, 2018, 11:55:35 AM
First new album was Awake. Was excited to hear the follow-up to I&W.

B.Lee
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Post by: Mladen on June 29, 2018, 12:08:02 PM
That Q&A was so much fun, great to watch on a long, rainy afternoon.
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Post by: Renzo on June 29, 2018, 12:58:03 PM
My first new album was... Ehm... The Astonishing ;D
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Post by: Schurftkut on June 29, 2018, 01:08:40 PM
i heard about dream theater when they were touring Scenes, but i was still listening to Liquid tension mostly then. So 6doit was my first new album after having heard scenes (was a bit tough to get into the vocals at first, coming from LTE)
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Post by: gzarruk on June 29, 2018, 01:18:18 PM
I became a DT fan around late 2009/early 2010 (SFAM was the first album I heard from them and loved it), so my first new album was ADTOE, and I was SO excited for it’s release. Pretty much love all the Mangini era albums and can’t wait for this one :metal
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Post by: noxon on June 29, 2018, 01:29:36 PM
My first "album" was the ACOS ep. First full album was FII. First album as "officially official fan club guy" was SDOIT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on June 29, 2018, 01:51:46 PM
I guess I'm a bit odd in my DT fan history.  My first album was I&W, so the first "new" album to be released after I became a fan was Awake.  But I was a casual fan at that point and wasn't anticipating the next release.  In fact, I didn't actually buy another DT album until 1999 when I bought SFAM.  After that, I bought the back catalog and got caught up.  So although I was a fan as early as 1992, the first album release I was really anticipating was SDOIT 10 years later.
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Post by: nattmorker on June 29, 2018, 01:54:57 PM
My first new album was SC and ever since I'm super hyped for every new release.

Besides, it's interesting to see where am I in my life with every release, when the astonishing came out I was just married.

Can't wait for this new album!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: kingshmegland on June 29, 2018, 02:17:05 PM
I heard Pull Me Under on the radio and had to order the CD (I&W) from a local record store.  Amazon what?

Funny thing, I started dating my wife in 1991 and we both saw DT on the I&W tour in Warwick RI for the first time at that weird amusement park.  I've know DT almost as long as my wife!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: GasparXR on June 29, 2018, 02:43:52 PM
I heard Pull Me Under on the radio and had to order the CD (I&W) from a local record store.  Amazon what?

Funny thing, I started dating my wife in 1991 and we both saw DT on the I&W tour in Warwick RI for the first time at that weird amusement park.  I've know DT almost as long as my wife!

#marriageanologies
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Post by: Cool Chris on June 29, 2018, 03:36:12 PM
Piling on.. I heard Pull Me Under without knowing who the artist was on the radio and independent of that my friend lent me the I&W cassette. Question of who the band was is solved!

So first new album for me as a fan was Awake. I cannot imagine a fan's first new album being FII, or TA for that matter.

Don't usually follow any band's pre-album recording/release hype train. Might jump on this one though. The last time I was super-invested in DT at this stage of an album recording cycle was SC. Then they released CM and TDEN before the album dropped, and I thought "What in the blue hell is this crap?" Fortunately the rest of the album assuaged my concerns.
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Post by: MirrorMask on June 29, 2018, 03:42:55 PM
James on Facebook:

Quote
Hey Everyone,
Thanks for tuning into the livestream yesterday.
Very pumped as this album is kicking ass on all fronts.
Real exciting for the band and I’m sure you all will agree when you finally get to hear it. Finished a lyric yesterday, moving onto the next one soon.
It will be well worth the wait.
Talk soon...

He's already in lyrics writing mode? cool! and we'll get more than one!!!
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Post by: Schurftkut on June 29, 2018, 04:16:35 PM
on twitter he says:

Album is kicking ass.
Finished a lyric yesterday and will be moving on to another soon.
Sonic splendor, you just have to be patient, will be banging your eardrums soon enough.
Speak soon...🤘💀😎

does that mean Sonic Splendor it a title of that track, or is it just something to describe the sound?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: noxon on June 29, 2018, 04:17:54 PM
100% not a title :P
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Post by: Peter Mc on June 29, 2018, 04:22:21 PM
I got into DT in the period between ACOS and FII but was not massively anticipating FII as, whilst I loved I&W and ACOS, my excitement had been dampened by Awake. I didn’t even know FII was out until I saw it in the new release section at HMV. I decided to give it a go and really enjoyed it. I went to see them on that tour, joined the the fan club and went back and re-bought Awake and then couldn’t figure out why I disliked it in the first place. SFAM was the first release I was super hyped for. Saw a review in a magazine which just gave the album title as Scenes From A Memory, no mention of Metropolis pt 2 but I knew enough that this was a lyric from Metropolis pt 1 and they also mentioned TDOE in the review which was another reference and, fans at the time knew there was some version of Metropolis pt 2 out there.  Anyway, when I phoned HMV on the day of release to check if they had the album, the guy said “is that Metropolis pt 2?” and I pretty much just ran out of work to buy it.  Been massively excited for every album since and this new one will be no exception!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Schurftkut on June 29, 2018, 05:16:00 PM
100% not a title :P

tnx!
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Post by: pg1067 on June 29, 2018, 05:42:22 PM
I guess I'm a bit odd in my DT fan history.  My first album was I&W, so the first "new" album to be released after I became a fan was Awake.

That's me too.  According to Wikipedia, PMU was released as a single on August 10, 1992, so I assume I first heard it on the radio that month and then went out and bought I&W.  Live at the Marquee was my first new DT album, and Awake was my first new studio album, which I was greatly anticipating.  In fact, I think I remember seeing the video for "Lie" and wondering why I wasn't seeing Kevin Moore.  When ACoS came out, my friend called me and starting playing the intro and told me what it was, and I almost immediately went out and bought it.  I remember first hearing FII in the living room of a new apartment that was filled with boxes that we hadn't yet unpacked.
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Post by: bosk1 on June 29, 2018, 05:57:42 PM
I guess I'm a bit odd in my DT fan history.  My first album was I&W, so the first "new" album to be released after I became a fan was Awake.

That's me too. 

Yeah, I think it's actually a requirement for lawyers who are DT fans.  I seem to recall a bar exam question asking what year I became a DT fan.  I passed, so I must have gotten it right.
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Post by: kingshmegland on June 29, 2018, 06:13:24 PM
On a different note. How many tours have you seen? Since I&W, I've seen every tour except the TOT tour.  Both shows locally were on the weekend for that tour but in an odd twist, I had a weddington go to each time.

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Post by: SwedishGoose on June 29, 2018, 06:43:09 PM
My first new album waa A Change of Seasons or if that does not count, Awake.
Awesome releases both....
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Post by: KevShmev on June 29, 2018, 08:37:19 PM
On a different note. How many tours have you seen? Since I&W, I've seen every tour except the TOT tour.  Both shows locally were on the weekend for that tour but in an odd twist, I had a weddington go to each time.

6, on the tours for these albums:

Awake
Scenes from a Memory (twice)
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
Train of Thought
Dream Theater (twice)
The Astonishing
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Post by: SwedishGoose on June 29, 2018, 08:45:56 PM
Saw the images and words tour. For different reasons I missed the tours until I caught the Scenes from a memory tour after which I have had tickets to all tours (missed the Systematic Chaos tour as I was in a hospital).
Saw both the Astonishing and the Images and words and beyond tours twice.
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Post by: TAC on June 29, 2018, 08:50:09 PM
On a different note. How many tours have you seen? Since I&W, I've seen every tour except the TOT tour.  Both shows locally were on the weekend for that tour but in an odd twist, I had a weddington go to each time.

I missed the 6 D's, ToT, Astonishing and IW&B.


But I did see them 4 times before Awake came out. ;D
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Post by: Kattelox on June 29, 2018, 09:00:32 PM
On a different note. How many tours have you seen? Since I&W, I've seen every tour except the TOT tour.  Both shows locally were on the weekend for that tour but in an odd twist, I had a weddington go to each time.

First time ever seeing them was on The Astonishing tour, and then again on the IW&B tour.
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Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on June 30, 2018, 01:06:10 AM
Octavarium tour (twice)
Systematic Chaos (twice)
BC&SL
ADTOE
Along For The Ride
The Astonishing (twice)
Images, Words & Beyond

All in Chicago except the second Astonishing show in which I traveled to Milwaukee.
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Post by: Indiscipline on June 30, 2018, 02:18:24 AM
Casually bought vinyl I&W in 1992, instant fan.

First live show on the Awakening the World Tour, then I managed to catch every European Leg date in my neck of the woods since, except FII because my cesspool of a car at the time died on me and my pals.
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Post by: krands85 on June 30, 2018, 05:20:38 AM
Systematic Chaos was the first album that came out after I'd been introduced to the band. I don't remember being hugely in to the band at that time and really anticipating the release or anything though. Actually, a check of my Last.fm stats shows that I listened to Octavarium a couple of times in 2006, but then didn't listen to the band again until SC came out and that was what really kickstarted my love of DT.

As for tours, my first was Prog Nation 09 in Glasgow and I've seen them each tour since I think. ADTOE tour also in Glasgow, Along for the Ride DT12 tour in Manchester, the second Astonishing show in London and Images & Words and Beyond back in Glasgow.
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Post by: DreamerTV on June 30, 2018, 08:24:45 AM
From Octavarium on i’ve seen every tour, with that about the self titled twice.
I was literally one minute far from seeing twice also the last tour but then everything went wrong.

Been caught by DT in between Scenes from New York and Six degrees, so the latter was the first one I was anticipating.
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Post by: Ninjabait on June 30, 2018, 09:42:55 AM
My introduction to the band was the Overture from Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence. It was already old at the time, so my first new album ended up being A Dramatic Turn of Events. Still haven't seen them on tour yet, mainly because I'm a broke college student and rock concerts are out of my budget lol
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Post by: Bacong on June 30, 2018, 10:11:24 AM
My excitement is really picking up speed now... I am just 2.5 years into my discovery of DT. This is my first new album!!  To say that I have been like a kid in a candy store with all of their music is an understatement.  It wasn't until about 6 mos. ago, that I could actually listen to any other music. But, now with the excitement they have been generating since going to write, I find I am back to where I started  :mehlin  only wanting to listen to them... To add to my excitement yesterday, they answered my question on the FB Live post (how long in the studio each day and what do you do to chill out),  Octavarium came on my shuffle of the Spotify playlist, and then Again on Pandora.. What!??

Hearing a first "new" album from a band you like is a pretty cool thing. My first "new" Dream Theater album was Systematic Chaos. I can remember how excited I was for it. I still get excited for new records but back then I could barely function I was so pumped. :lol

man. one of petrucci's absolute best solos of his career just 3 minutes into that album. i remember riding my bike to the cd store to buy it :P
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Post by: Anxiety35 on June 30, 2018, 11:06:23 AM
From James' twitter...

"Album is kicking ass.
Finished a lyric yesterday and will be moving on to another soon.
Sonic splendor, you just have to be patient, will be banging your eardrums soon enough."

https://twitter.com/jameslabrie/status/1012813144140365824 (https://twitter.com/jameslabrie/status/1012813144140365824)
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Post by: Evai on June 30, 2018, 11:15:23 AM
He makes it sound like he wrote a single line of a song :p
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Post by: ytserush on June 30, 2018, 12:04:19 PM
On a different note. How many tours have you seen? Since I&W, I've seen every tour except the TOT tour.  Both shows locally were on the weekend for that tour but in an odd twist, I had a weddington go to each time.

Every tour since 1989.

Actually, that's not true. I refused to go on the most recent tour because there was no new music.   
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Post by: Ben_Jamin on June 30, 2018, 01:28:43 PM
Mine is weird. I first heard Pull Me Under on the radio back in '03-'04 at my cuzs house. Then At school my friends and I had our own forum we used to frequent, this was before Facebook and slightly before MySpace, we used to AIM chat too. Anyways, my friend posted about SFAM on there with the lyrics and I thought that was neat.

Around that same time frame, my uncle was watching Live at Budakon. So me and my cuz watched it with him and my auntie. I borrowed it from him to watch it all. I fell in love with it, especially Endless Sacrifice, Trial of Tears and Stream of Consciousness. I ended up buying the L@B cds.

I finally then bought SFAM, 8vm was just released as well and ended up listening to that at my friends which i enjoyed. That same year DT would tour with Gigantour, I wish i had known more of the songs then but looking back at the setlist it was amazing. Soon aafter I bought 8vm.

They toured opening for Yes and I couldn't go to that show, which looming back at the setlist I'm sad i didn't.

Now my first new album from the guys would be Systematic Chaos. It was neat hearing Constant Motion for the first time, I still enjoy the Solo section. I wasn't disappointed at all then amd still enjoy the album.
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Post by: Peter Mc on June 30, 2018, 02:08:46 PM
Been to every full tour from Touring Into Infinity onwards, sometimes twice if they came back through on a 2nd leg like they did with SFAM and SDOIT tours. Only tour I missed was Octavarium show as I think I was away at the time.
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Post by: Freddy Jacobi on June 30, 2018, 02:18:06 PM
(https://scontent.fsvg1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/36381357_2048953798513284_4840489762487795712_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeHyKpueGjX3_gQxmebvUkT8Y5n8Hua4klB_rjhV302HMi5dwr1P9dZC7XlcWkCYWr04b-ZQHgzq8xDQtaZyDrjN-p3pW6JhHckL5iUbYPc_fg&oh=278b3a274c1867abdb7fa9181038e969&oe=5BB41425)
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Post by: Mladen on June 30, 2018, 02:27:18 PM
Alright, DTF, lets do this - what does the page say?  ;D
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Post by: Evai on June 30, 2018, 04:27:59 PM
I did everything I could to try and sharpen the text and nothing worked, so I gave up :(

(https://i.imgur.com/6jr8eTT.jpg)
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Post by: goo-goo on June 30, 2018, 04:49:14 PM
I think the bottom half is the Facebook Q&A schedule.
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Post by: DTA on June 30, 2018, 05:07:08 PM
I think the top right says something like “photo will be set up in the dining area of the studio”. Maybe a photo shoot? It does say All Band.
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Post by: Nathan Explosion on June 30, 2018, 05:34:19 PM
There's a clearer image on the Labrie fanclub FB page. Top part says "Sign certificates for merch. These will be setup in the dining area of the studio. Sign at your leisure. Please refer to the Test sample."

Other part is just the schedule and url link from the previous FB interview.
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Post by: Adami on July 01, 2018, 04:45:59 AM
New concept album about signing merch confirned!!
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Post by: Freddy Jacobi on July 01, 2018, 05:07:16 AM
Other part is just the schedule and url link from the previous FB interview.

Is it, though? Is it?
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Post by: Freddy Jacobi on July 01, 2018, 05:07:56 AM
New concept album about signing merch confirned!!

Regardless of what I might be doing here, I would like to stress one thing. It's not a concept album.
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Post by: Nathan Explosion on July 01, 2018, 08:06:12 AM
Other part is just the schedule and url link from the previous FB interview.

Is it, though? Is it?

Ah, somebody figured out the url when decoded went to Freddy's Twitter page.
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Post by: bosk1 on July 02, 2018, 09:56:59 AM
Methinks Freddy just got fingered.
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Post by: noxon on July 02, 2018, 09:58:03 AM
Not a movie I like to be reminded of.
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Post by: bosk1 on July 02, 2018, 10:00:34 AM
???  What movie?
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Post by: pg1067 on July 02, 2018, 10:33:57 AM
On a different note. How many tours have you seen? Since I&W, I've seen every tour except the TOT tour.  Both shows locally were on the weekend for that tour but in an odd twist, I had a weddington go to each time.

I&W (all three American legs)
Awake
ToT (the last leg where they opened for Yes)
Octavarium
SC (Chaos in Motion and Prog Nation '08)
BC&SL (prog Nation '09 and Final Frontier when they opened for Iron Maiden)
ADToE
DT12
I&W and Beyond

I cannot adequately explain how/why there is a near ten year gap.  I saw them in December 1994, and the next shows in my area were in November 1997 and May 1998.  Although I wasn't a fan of FII, I can think of no reason why I didn't attend those shows (I'm especially bummed that I missed the show with Ray Alder and Bruce Dickinson).

The next shows in my area were in February 2000, including the Los Angeles show that got shut down by the fire marshal.  I was in my second year of law school, so maybe my excuse was that I didn't have the money (although I can't imagine that tickets -- especially at the Galaxy Theater in Santa Ana -- would have been all that expensive).  Same with the second leg of the SFAM tour in August 2000, which was right at the start of my last year of law school.

The only tour I can think of a legit reason for missing is 6DOIT.  They played in March and August 2002.  My son was born in May 2002, and I was busting my ass as a first year associate.  While I might have been able to get a pass for the show in March, there's no way I would have gotten one for the show in August.

The first leg of the ToT tour was right after my daughter was born, so I guess that's why I only saw the show where they opened for Yes.
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Post by: MirrorMask on July 02, 2018, 11:25:49 AM
I've seen everything from the 1999 warmup tour onward.

Only exceptions: the time they played Scenes from a Memory in full (damn) and when they came with the Prog Nation package (didn't like the bill and figured they'd play little - I didn't go and they played a kickass setlist, damn).
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Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on July 02, 2018, 01:04:01 PM

On a different note. How many tours have you seen? Since I&W, I've seen every tour except the TOT tour.  Both shows locally were on the weekend for that tour but in an odd twist, I had a weddington go to each time.

FII Tour (opening for ELP and Deep Purple)*
ToT Tour (twice - An Evening With and a headlining show on an off-night for Yes)
Gigantour (co-headlining with Megadeth)
Octavarium/20th Anniversary (thrice - An Evening With in CT, Boston, NYC)
Systematic Chaos (five times - headlining shows in Buffalo, Boston, CT, NJ, Jones Beach)
Progressive Nation 2008
Progressive Nation 2009
Black Clouds tour (headlining show on an off-night for Iron Maiden)
A Dramatic Tour of Events (twice)
Dream Theater (Boston DVD shoot)
The Astonishing (twice)
Images, Words and Beyond

*was not a fan at the first show. It was actually my first time hearing them. Got into them a few years later. My first new album after becoming a fan was Train of Thought and I have not missed a show in MA since 2004.
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Post by: kingshmegland on July 02, 2018, 01:28:44 PM

On a different note. How many tours have you seen? Since I&W, I've seen every tour except the TOT tour.  Both shows locally were on the weekend for that tour but in an odd twist, I had a weddington go to each time.

FII Tour (opening for ELP and Deep Purple)*
ToT Tour (twice - An Evening With and a headlining show on an off-night for Yes)
Gigantour (co-headlining with Megadeth)
Octavarium/20th Anniversary (thrice - An Evening With in CT, Boston, NYC)
Systematic Chaos (five times - headlining shows in Buffalo, Boston, CT, NJ, Jones Beach)
Progressive Nation 2008
Progressive Nation 2009
Black Clouds tour (headlining show on an off-night for Iron Maiden)
A Dramatic Tour of Events (twice)
Dream Theater (Boston DVD shoot)
The Astonishing (twice)
Images, Words and Beyond

*was not a fan at the first show. It was actually my first time hearing them. Got into them a few years later. My first new album after becoming a fan was Train of Thought and I have not missed a show in MA since 2004.

We've been to a lot of the same shows then.  I live in NH.
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Post by: Pettor on July 03, 2018, 06:38:16 AM
Just stumbled upon the Mike Mangini audition again with the full DT jam Mike and DT made together. Holy hell! That makes me wonder why the last 2 albums haven't utilized this at all! I mean start at 21:30 and it's exactly what I would love to hear from DT on the new album and Mike's drums sounds fantastic!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tZ-go2CXqo

I really hope this is what the new way of working with the "organic sound" will partly accomplish.
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Post by: bosk1 on July 03, 2018, 08:28:18 AM
Just stumbled upon the Mike Mangini audition again with the full DT jam Mike and DT made together. Holy hell! That makes me wonder why the last 2 albums haven't utilized this at all! I mean start at 21:30 and it's exactly what I would love to hear from DT on the new album and Mike's drums sounds fantastic!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tZ-go2CXqo

I really hope this is what the new way of working with the "organic sound" will partly accomplish.
Oh, wow.  I had no idea that had been put out.  I begged JP for some of that footage too!  :lol
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Post by: noxon on July 03, 2018, 09:28:42 AM
It was on the usb stick for the box set for dt12
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Post by: bosk1 on July 03, 2018, 09:29:43 AM
Oh, that explains it then.  I never bought the box set.  (those kinds of things are too rich for my blood, and I generally have no use for vinyl and most of the other bonus stuff)
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Post by: gzarruk on July 03, 2018, 11:56:20 AM
Just stumbled upon the Mike Mangini audition again with the full DT jam Mike and DT made together. Holy hell! That makes me wonder why the last 2 albums haven't utilized this at all! I mean start at 21:30 and it's exactly what I would love to hear from DT on the new album and Mike's drums sounds fantastic!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tZ-go2CXqo

I really hope this is what the new way of working with the "organic sound" will partly accomplish.
Oh, wow.  I had no idea that had been put out.  I begged JP for some of that footage too!  :lol

I've watched it many times already, but I still feel weird looking at JP without his super long beard :lol
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Post by: gzarruk on July 04, 2018, 09:21:35 PM
Mike Mangini on facebook:
Quote
What a 3 year whirlwind for me and it hasn't slowed quite yet.  2 years of DT touring + 4 months with G3 and everything in between on and off the field. That's a lot of time traveling. I'm sure I'll do plenty of interviews to talk about all that, the non-drumming caused injuries I've somehow healed from and new heights with playing control and personal songwriting I never thought I'd attain and the band camaraderie and teamwork to write what we wrote. I'm sure our latest effort will satisfy the entire DT fan base, but that is for fans to determine.  On to the process after songwriting! But only after a short break for Independence Day here in the USA.  I'm a believer in praying for one's native country and the world - and I do daily, especially after enjoying every place I tour and all the people I meet.  The 2019 Tour will be AMAZING :)

Maybe I’m reading this the wrong way, but does the bolded part mean they’re done with the writing? :metal
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Post by: The Silent Cody on July 04, 2018, 10:31:05 PM
Mike Mangini on facebook:
Quote
What a 3 year whirlwind for me and it hasn't slowed quite yet.  2 years of DT touring + 4 months with G3 and everything in between on and off the field. That's a lot of time traveling. I'm sure I'll do plenty of interviews to talk about all that, the non-drumming caused injuries I've somehow healed from and new heights with playing control and personal songwriting I never thought I'd attain and the band camaraderie and teamwork to write what we wrote. I'm sure our latest effort will satisfy the entire DT fan base, but that is for fans to determine.  On to the process after songwriting! But only after a short break for Independence Day here in the USA.  I'm a believer in praying for one's native country and the world - and I do daily, especially after enjoying every place I tour and all the people I meet.  The 2019 Tour will be AMAZING :)

Maybe I’m reading this the wrong way, but does the bolded part mean they’re done with the writing? :metal
That would be super fast writing process then :)
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Post by: Bertielee on July 05, 2018, 12:08:22 AM
Mike Mangini on facebook:
Quote
What a 3 year whirlwind for me and it hasn't slowed quite yet.  2 years of DT touring + 4 months with G3 and everything in between on and off the field. That's a lot of time traveling. I'm sure I'll do plenty of interviews to talk about all that, the non-drumming caused injuries I've somehow healed from and new heights with playing control and personal songwriting I never thought I'd attain and the band camaraderie and teamwork to write what we wrote. I'm sure our latest effort will satisfy the entire DT fan base, but that is for fans to determine.  On to the process after songwriting! But only after a short break for Independence Day here in the USA.  I'm a believer in praying for one's native country and the world - and I do daily, especially after enjoying every place I tour and all the people I meet.  The 2019 Tour will be AMAZING :)

Maybe I’m reading this the wrong way, but does the bolded part mean they’re done with the writing? :metal
That would be super fast writing process then :)

One month working 11 to 12 hours a day. Fast but not super fast IMO.

B.Lee
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Post by: nikatapi on July 05, 2018, 03:11:03 AM
Really hoping for a good album, and that's coming from someone who enjoyed TA.
After 3 albums, i really hope that sound quality (especially drums) is not compromised, and James sings in a more comfortable range. His I&W tour has been atrocious in terms of performance from what i've seen, and TA had some pretty obvious manipulation in his vocal performances.

Songwriting seems to have happened quickly, really hoping to see everyone involved and Mike bringing his crazy mind into the process.
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Post by: erwinrafael on July 05, 2018, 03:17:21 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk2BKH6HohN/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=d405fomkrvhr

Yeah, something like that, Mike.

Why is that when you watch Mike he seems not to be doing much but the sound tells you something different.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: danidogma on July 05, 2018, 04:48:49 AM
Really hoping for a good album, and that's coming from someone who enjoyed TA.
After 3 albums, i really hope that sound quality (especially drums) is not compromised, and James sings in a more comfortable range. His I&W tour has been atrocious in terms of performance from what i've seen, and TA had some pretty obvious manipulation in his vocal performances.

Songwriting seems to have happened quickly, really hoping to see everyone involved and Mike bringing his crazy mind into the process.

I totally agree with everything. I also hope that what I heard from John in his recent interview with FB, where he was betting on a more natural guitar tone, will come true. The sound of "The Astonishing" does not do justice to the equipment he used to record it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on July 05, 2018, 05:59:24 AM
Really hoping for a good album, and that's coming from someone who enjoyed TA.
After 3 albums, i really hope that sound quality (especially drums) is not compromised, and James sings in a more comfortable range. His I&W tour has been atrocious in terms of performance from what i've seen, and TA had some pretty obvious manipulation in his vocal performances.

Songwriting seems to have happened quickly, really hoping to see everyone involved and Mike bringing his crazy mind into the process.

I totally agree with everything. I also hope that what I heard from John in his recent interview with FB, where he was betting on a more natural guitar tone, will come true. The sound of "The Astonishing" does not do justice to the equipment he used to record it.

Tbh, it's not the guitar sound I'm worried about : give me a more natural, less processed drum sound so we can hear everything MM does.

B.Lee
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Post by: Dream Team on July 05, 2018, 07:10:08 AM
Yes, after 3 great albums with MM I feel the major issue they need to nail down is the sound of the records. Come on man, it shouldn't be THAT hard.

That was some fast writing, inspiration must have been abundant.
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Post by: mikeyd23 on July 05, 2018, 07:11:33 AM
^ Yeah, I really feel like it would benefit the band to move on from Rich and have a different engineer/mixer this time around. Get some fresh ears in there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: noxon on July 05, 2018, 07:17:45 AM
Well...
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Post by: nikatapi on July 05, 2018, 07:19:13 AM
Really hoping for a good album, and that's coming from someone who enjoyed TA.
After 3 albums, i really hope that sound quality (especially drums) is not compromised, and James sings in a more comfortable range. His I&W tour has been atrocious in terms of performance from what i've seen, and TA had some pretty obvious manipulation in his vocal performances.

Songwriting seems to have happened quickly, really hoping to see everyone involved and Mike bringing his crazy mind into the process.

I totally agree with everything. I also hope that what I heard from John in his recent interview with FB, where he was betting on a more natural guitar tone, will come true. The sound of "The Astonishing" does not do justice to the equipment he used to record it.

Tbh, it's not the guitar sound I'm worried about : give me a more natural, less processed drum sound so we can hear everything MM does.

B.Lee

Definitely. I feel like there are so many great parts from MM hidden behind the mix, especially cymbal-wise.
Seeing some clinic videos with Mike playing LNF for example, uncovers so many hidden details in his playing.
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Post by: mikeyd23 on July 05, 2018, 07:22:28 AM
Well...

Don't tease me!  :lol

Definitely. I feel like there are so many great parts from MM hidden behind the mix, especially cymbal-wise.
Seeing some clinic videos with Mike playing LNF for example, uncovers so many hidden details in his playing.

One thing that has really stood out to me listening to the MM records vs. the MP records - the lack of cymbals in the mix for MM. MP's records always had the cymbals very clear and present, that is still missing from a lot of the records MM has done with DT thus far.
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Post by: Anxiety35 on July 05, 2018, 07:50:53 AM
I felt that even MP's crash and china cymbals were too low in the mix. His hi-hat, ride and stacks were up front. I listened to Systematic Chaos yesterday in the car and man, his kick drums are too loud in the mix.

This morning I stumbled across Primus' "Tales From The Punchbowl" while driving. Hadn't listened to it in years. The drums sound great. Very natural sounding and mixed well. A drum mix like that would be a great improvement for a DT record.

Are they finished writing the album?
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Post by: gzarruk on July 05, 2018, 07:59:12 AM
Well...

There’s hope! :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: danidogma on July 05, 2018, 08:17:14 AM
Really hoping for a good album, and that's coming from someone who enjoyed TA.
After 3 albums, i really hope that sound quality (especially drums) is not compromised, and James sings in a more comfortable range. His I&W tour has been atrocious in terms of performance from what i've seen, and TA had some pretty obvious manipulation in his vocal performances.

Songwriting seems to have happened quickly, really hoping to see everyone involved and Mike bringing his crazy mind into the process.

I totally agree with everything. I also hope that what I heard from John in his recent interview with FB, where he was betting on a more natural guitar tone, will come true. The sound of "The Astonishing" does not do justice to the equipment he used to record it.

Tbh, it's not the guitar sound I'm worried about : give me a more natural, less processed drum sound so we can hear everything MM does.

B.Lee
+1 too
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 05, 2018, 02:00:16 PM
Well...

There’s hope! :hefdaddy
Wasn't it already confirmed that Rich isn't going to be their engineer this time around?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 05, 2018, 02:03:03 PM
Well...

There’s hope! :hefdaddy
Wasn't it already confirmed that Rich isn't going to be their engineer this time around?

I don't believe so...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pcs90 on July 05, 2018, 02:47:40 PM
I think that was only speculated based on people saying he was busy with other projects or something.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kocak on July 05, 2018, 06:00:30 PM
I think that was only speculated based on people saying he was busy with other projects or something.


I hope he is busy… for the next 4 album cycles.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 09, 2018, 03:41:53 PM
I think that was only speculated based on people saying he was busy with other projects or something.
Maybe that's what I remember then.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Schurftkut on July 10, 2018, 05:23:01 PM
writing's finished!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 10, 2018, 05:24:01 PM
With burgers and beers.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: GasparXR on July 10, 2018, 06:51:09 PM
With burgers and beers.

"Don't flip those fuckers" :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 10, 2018, 07:02:52 PM
Yeah seems like the guys were feeling good when they made that vid.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on July 10, 2018, 08:37:56 PM
So, they should start recording in a couple days, right? :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on July 10, 2018, 09:51:45 PM
Would be nice to hear some snippets ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on July 11, 2018, 12:34:52 AM
Would be nice to hear some snippets ;D

You bet!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on July 11, 2018, 01:06:27 AM
A month or little more in a relaxed environment with everyone contributing and being relaxed and energized.... can't wait for the results!  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Fritzinger on July 11, 2018, 01:42:50 AM
Loved to see JMX practicing in the back in the video while everyone is enjoying themselves :D

But WOW they already finished the writing?? Isn't that a little fast? I hate to be the guy criticising, but I think they could have taken a little more time...

But then again I could give less f**ks how long it took them to write this album because I know it's totally gonna kick ass  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on July 11, 2018, 02:21:30 AM
But WOW they already finished the writing?? Isn't that a little fast? I hate to be the guy criticising, but I think they could have taken a little more time...

They've been at it for a month and probably a little more, and they worked all day. When you're secluded away for the only specific purpouse of writing an album and everything else you do is just resting, eating and sleeping, a month can be very productive.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Spin on July 11, 2018, 02:39:05 AM
From my understanding Train of Thought was written in about a month (it's in the making of documentary somewhere), so it's not unheard of by Dream Theater's standard to write an album in a month.

But certainly throughout the rest of the recording process they will be writing more.  For example, solo sections at this stage are more likely just blank spaces and the guys will write their solos when recording their tracks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Fritzinger on July 11, 2018, 02:45:24 AM
Yes, I think ToT was written (and recorded iirc) within around 2 weeks.

And I also think that in the future weeks and months a lot will be changed, arranged, re-arranged; solos will be written, maybe some lyrics.

All in all, this seems to be a pretty spontaneous album. Imo, this is a welcome, fresh approach after the very thought-though Astonishing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on July 11, 2018, 06:29:06 AM
That video is great.  "Cooking with the Pirate"  The excitement in this video makes me want the music  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: chaotic_ripper on July 11, 2018, 07:42:08 AM
They’ve been camped out in the studio for right about a month.  And from what they said, working 12 hours a day.  I think it’s pretty reasonable for them to be done writing. It sounds like they were very inspired.  Excited for this album!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 11, 2018, 08:19:40 AM
Yeah, a month of writing is actually pretty long by DT standards. Also, keep in mind they demoed (or will be demoing) all that material and might tweak it before final recording.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: chaotic_ripper on July 11, 2018, 08:20:55 AM
Yeah, a month of writing is actually pretty long by DT standards. Also, keep in mind they demoed (or will be demoing) all that material and might tweak it before final recording.

Yep!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on July 11, 2018, 10:40:12 AM
But WOW they already finished the writing?? Isn't that a little fast? I hate to be the guy criticising, but I think they could have taken a little more time...

Time has nothing to do with it.  Some of the greatest albums in history were written in less time, and some really crappy albums took years to write.


With burgers and beers.

"Don't flip those fuckers" :rollin

Now I'm hungry...and it's only 9:40 a.m.!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Mladen on July 11, 2018, 10:57:29 AM
That video is great.  "Cooking with the Pirate"  The excitement in this video makes me want the burgers. :metal
FTFM.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 11, 2018, 11:42:13 AM
That video is great.  "Cooking with the Pirate"  The excitement in this video makes me want the burgers. :metal
FTFM.

Haha, I felt the same way. I was all Damn, now I want a burger.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 11, 2018, 12:53:06 PM
Yes, I think ToT was written (and recorded iirc) within around 2 weeks.
ToT and Awake were each written in roughly 3 weeks time.

I would imagine that as they start doing the proper recording of the album, that there will be some adjustments. My biggest hope (and one I doubt they did) was write more than enough material, so that they could pick out the best stuff to put on the album, but to record all of it, and release the additional tracks as B-sides and/or bonus tracks for deluxe editions, etc.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: devieira73 on July 11, 2018, 01:06:54 PM
Now that the album is written, I’m curious if the band really feels  that the songs turned out the style they envisioned before they went to the studio. Anyway, very happy with the news!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on July 11, 2018, 01:13:12 PM
If something isn't good enough to make the album proper, why would they bother recording and releasing it? I know lots of people are interesting in this sort of thing (hey, I just answered my own question!) but I don't care about cutting room floor material.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Adami on July 11, 2018, 01:22:13 PM
If something isn't good enough to make the album proper, why would they bother recording and releasing it? I know lots of people are interesting in this sort of thing (hey, I just answered my own question!) but I don't care about cutting room floor material.

I dunno. Raise the Knife is one of my favorite DT songs.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on July 11, 2018, 01:33:46 PM
I thought about this more... (and using that example as I would say RtK if better than half off the stuff on FII) just because something makes the album doesn't necessarily mean it is "better" than material that didn't make the cut. Of course, it stands to reason the best material will make the cut. But sometimes those pesky suits from the record label know better.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on July 11, 2018, 01:43:51 PM
I thought about this more... (and using that example as I would say RtK if better than half off the stuff on FII) just because something makes the album doesn't necessarily mean it is "better" than material that didn't make the cut. Of course, it stands to reason the best material will make the cut. But sometimes those pesky suits from the record label know better.

Yea, it could have to do with flow and overall atmosphere of the album.

For example, the last Epica album cycle the band I guess had the juices flowing and wrote too many songs for a single album.  They kept saying there were more songs but they cut them from the album not because of quality but because they felt they didn't fit in with the overall feel of the rest of the songs/album.  They then released them as an EP later and that EP fucking rocks and really sounds just like any of their other music.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Chris Hinton on July 11, 2018, 02:45:16 PM
If something isn't good enough to make the album proper, why would they bother recording and releasing it? I know lots of people are interesting in this sort of thing (hey, I just answered my own question!) but I don't care about cutting room floor material.

I dunno. Raise the Knife is one of my favorite DT songs.

I think RtK and the other non-album tracks from Falling into Infinity are a different animal.  They wrote them with the full intention of them being on the (double) album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 11, 2018, 05:16:45 PM
Yea, it could have to do with flow and overall atmosphere of the album.
Exactly. Another perfect example of this was when Steven Wilson wrote the song Drown With Me. He thought it was an awesome song and would be a perfect single. However, after he finished writing everything else that he intended for the In Absentia album, he recognized that Drown With Me wouldn't fit with the overall feel of the rest of the songs, and so he chose not to include it on the album.

Another example: DT planned on writing a dark, heavy album, and they ended up with ToT. However, during the writing sessions, they developed some ideas that became an upbeat song. However, they realized that it wouldn't work on the album, and so they discarded those ideas. In this case, MP remembered this song (dunno how close it was to completion) when they were working on Octavarium, and they ended up using them on the album. The song was I Walk Beside You.

So in both these cases, it's not that the songs were bad or of lesser quality, but rather that they didn't fit with the rest of the songs.
 
 
I think RtK and the other non-album tracks from Falling into Infinity are a different animal.
They were a different animal, but not because they intended to write/record a double album. It was only because the label wouldn't allow them in the studio to start recording what became FII and was pushing for more radio-friendly songs, that DT continued writing more.

In the same way, if the guys are "in the zone" and are cranking out great song after song, why stop just because they have an album's worth of material? Why not continue writing to see where it takes you? Maybe you'd come up with some even better songs. Or maybe the feel/vibe of the album might be different. At the very least, you'd have more material to pick and choose from. Had they not continued to write more material while waiting to get the OK from the label to go into the studio, Trial of Tears, Cover My Eyes, Hollow Years, New Millennium and Speak to Me wouldn't exist. How many other awesome songs might have existed if DT didn't stop writing the moment they had enough material to fill a CD during other writing sessions? Obviously we'll never know, but the idea to just write enough to fill a CD instead of following your muse (especially given that they're not writing the album in a full-blown studio) and seeing what more you can come up with seems to be selling yourself short.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on July 11, 2018, 05:36:39 PM
Those are both good points, I had not thought of either of those.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: PetFish on July 11, 2018, 10:26:01 PM
In the same way, if the guys are "in the zone" and are cranking out great song after song, why stop just because they have an album's worth of material? Why not continue writing to see where it takes you?

Isn't this how they came up with the entire Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence piece?

Personally, I love b-sides, but it's also related to genre as well.  Prog/metal bands tend to write the music that they want and not worry too much about "hits" whereas pop/rock bands *do* worry about "hits", or at least the company does, and it pushes them to write 20-30 songs per album so they can pick the best ones... or at least the most likely to be "hits".  Falling Into Infinity is a great example of this with the company trying to dictate everything and we ended up with some great b-sides.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Polarbear on July 12, 2018, 03:43:06 AM
It is weird to be excited about a DT album again, but I'm slowly getting there!

I was hoping for more of a Spontaneous, "back to basics" approach, and it seems that's exactly whats happening. Also the fact that this seems to very much a group effort, as opposed to the Astonishing which was clearly JP's and Jr's brainchild, is encouraging! Mangini seems to be more involved than ever in the writing process, which is also great!

What they have communicated through the updates about this new album, ticks all the boxes for me so far. Very much excited to hear the results!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Setlist Scotty on July 12, 2018, 07:07:13 AM
In the same way, if the guys are "in the zone" and are cranking out great song after song, why stop just because they have an album's worth of material? Why not continue writing to see where it takes you?
Isn't this how they came up with the entire Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence piece?
I believe in a way it was, but unintentionally. When they reconvened after the break from the G3 tour JP and MP did, they knew they wanted to include an epic on the album, so their goal was to write a piece roughly 20 minutes in length. They got on a roll and before they knew it, they had actually written 40 minutes of music. So it wasn't a matter of "hey, we've really hit our stride - let's just keep writing until we start to run out of great ideas" - it was more like "holy crap! I can't believe we just wrote 40 minutes of music!"
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 12, 2018, 07:27:30 AM
It is weird to be excited about a DT album again, but I'm slowly getting there!

I was hoping for more of a Spontaneous, "back to basics" approach, and it seems that's exactly whats happening. Also the fact that this seems to very much a group effort, as opposed to the Astonishing which was clearly JP's and Jr's brainchild, is encouraging! Mangini seems to be more involved than ever in the writing process, which is also great!

What they have communicated through the updates about this new album, ticks all the boxes for me so far. Very much excited to hear the results!

I think I mentioned this before, but we haven't had a "standard" DT album in five years. That's a long time. I'm very excited to see what we get!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Lethean on July 12, 2018, 01:13:31 PM
I'm excited for a new DT album, but not over the top.  They obviously seem really energized and happy, which is great to see.  But a lot of bands are that way about an upcoming release (and I guess it would be a concern if they weren't).  So I try not to build up the hype in my mind too much and just experience the album when it came out.  The approach worked for me for The Astonishing, for sure. :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: DT2003 on July 12, 2018, 05:41:37 PM
I’m very excited for the album. I like The Astonishing for what it was, but hope they get back to what made me fall in love with them. Although seeing them live does not get me as excited as it used to, I still look forward to their new albums as much as any other band, with the exception of all things Neal Morse related probably.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Podaar on July 12, 2018, 08:28:48 PM
Jordan and James birthday video to JP is on Facebook.  :metal :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on July 13, 2018, 01:32:33 AM
Jordan and James birthday video to JP is on Facebook.  :metal :metal

Nice! And cool 8 string guitar!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: nikatapi on July 13, 2018, 05:00:02 AM
Seeing JR promoting his 8-string guitar, gives me hope we might get some sick riffs in the new album.
I really liked the Astonishing, but i would be very happy with a heavy album from DT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on July 13, 2018, 08:41:46 AM
Seeing JR promoting his 8-string guitar, gives me hope we might get some sick riffs in the new album.
I really liked the Astonishing, but i would be very happy with a heavy album from DT.

So do I, my friend, so do I!

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: PetFish on July 13, 2018, 06:34:42 PM
I believe in a way it was, but unintentionally. When they reconvened after the break from the G3 tour JP and MP did, they knew they wanted to include an epic on the album, so their goal was to write a piece roughly 20 minutes in length. They got on a roll and before they knew it, they had actually written 40 minutes of music. So it wasn't a matter of "hey, we've really hit our stride - let's just keep writing until we start to run out of great ideas" - it was more like "holy crap! I can't believe we just wrote 40 minutes of music!"

I think it's splitting hairs about being in their stride in this case.  If they started with X and were really feeling it and came up with X^2 or whatever then I think it would apply in this case but, again, splitting hairs.  Thanks for the clarification.


Seeing JR promoting his 8-string guitar, gives me hope we might get some sick riffs in the new album.
I really liked the Astonishing, but i would be very happy with a heavy album from DT.

Heavy = Sure
8-String = Please God No

Dream Theater doesn't need an 8-string.  John Petrucci doesn't need an 8-string.  It's too much of a gimmick and will be stepping on John Myung's toes cuz at that point the bass starts to become superfluous.

They're great for djent and bands or bands like Animals as Leaders since they have no bass at all and simply play the bass lines on their 8- and 9-strings.

They're fine to mess around on but I really hope JP avoids them for actual material.  He's already used a down-tuned 7-string a whole step down to A (Illumination Theory) and the definition between notes suffers for it and going to an 8-string will only make it worse.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Addy on July 14, 2018, 12:40:21 PM
Quote

Heavy = Sure
8-String = Please God No

Dream Theater doesn't need an 8-string.  John Petrucci doesn't need an 8-string.  It's too much of a gimmick and will be stepping on John Myung's toes cuz at that point the bass starts to become superfluous.

They're great for djent and bands or bands like Animals as Leaders since they have no bass at all and simply play the bass lines on their 8- and 9-strings.

They're fine to mess around on but I really hope JP avoids them for actual material.  He's already used a down-tuned 7-string a whole step down to A (Illumination Theory) and the definition between notes suffers for it and going to an 8-string will only make it worse.

Well said. To be honest, I'm sure it wouldn't work in DT. 7 strings is enough. I find all the bands that use 8 string guitars only to chug in lower register really unlistenable. Ok, AAL makes it sound cool, but JP is not Tosin and I hope it stays this way.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Evai on July 14, 2018, 02:23:13 PM
Ok, AAL makes it sound cool, but JP is not Tosin and I hope it stays this way.

"in a controversial move by progressive metal band Dream Theater, guitarist John Petrucci announces plans to become Tosin"
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on July 14, 2018, 02:28:03 PM
In a related story, "Who is Tosin?" becomes Google's most searched query
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Peter Mc on July 14, 2018, 04:43:34 PM
Quote

Heavy = Sure
8-String = Please God No

Dream Theater doesn't need an 8-string.  John Petrucci doesn't need an 8-string.  It's too much of a gimmick and will be stepping on John Myung's toes cuz at that point the bass starts to become superfluous.

They're great for djent and bands or bands like Animals as Leaders since they have no bass at all and simply play the bass lines on their 8- and 9-strings.

They're fine to mess around on but I really hope JP avoids them for actual material.  He's already used a down-tuned 7-string a whole step down to A (Illumination Theory) and the definition between notes suffers for it and going to an 8-string will only make it worse.

Well said. To be honest, I'm sure it wouldn't work in DT. 7 strings is enough. I find all the bands that use 8 string guitars only to chug in lower register really unlistenable. Ok, AAL makes it sound cool, but JP is not Tosin and I hope it stays this way.

Yeah, have to admit, whilst I like metal DT, I don’t like the really sludgy, muddy chugging DT stuff. I like it more when it’s Queensrÿche style heavy with huge power chords. Not the down tuned stuff.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Adami on July 14, 2018, 04:45:40 PM
From what I've seen, 8 strings work really well in contexts like double hand tapping, or fusion or something. Low chugging just sounds like mud.

Since DT don't really explore many new areas these days, if they use an 8 string, I assume low chugging.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: nattmorker on July 14, 2018, 05:01:09 PM
Quote


Heavy = Sure
8-String = Please God No

Dream Theater doesn't need an 8-string.  John Petrucci doesn't need an 8-string.  It's too much of a gimmick and will be stepping on John Myung's toes cuz at that point the bass starts to become superfluous.

They're great for djent and bands or bands like Animals as Leaders since they have no bass at all and simply play the bass lines on their 8- and 9-strings.

They're fine to mess around on but I really hope JP avoids them for actual material.  He's already used a down-tuned 7-string a whole step down to A (Illumination Theory) and the definition between notes suffers for it and going to an 8-string will only make it worse.

Well said. To be honest, I'm sure it wouldn't work in DT. 7 strings is enough. I find all the bands that use 8 string guitars only to chug in lower register really unlistenable. Ok, AAL makes it sound cool, but JP is not Tosin and I hope it stays this way.

Haken uses 8 string guitars and IMO they really know how to use them in an interesting way, not just chugging.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: GasparXR on July 15, 2018, 03:43:00 AM
Quote


Heavy = Sure
8-String = Please God No

Dream Theater doesn't need an 8-string.  John Petrucci doesn't need an 8-string.  It's too much of a gimmick and will be stepping on John Myung's toes cuz at that point the bass starts to become superfluous.

They're great for djent and bands or bands like Animals as Leaders since they have no bass at all and simply play the bass lines on their 8- and 9-strings.

They're fine to mess around on but I really hope JP avoids them for actual material.  He's already used a down-tuned 7-string a whole step down to A (Illumination Theory) and the definition between notes suffers for it and going to an 8-string will only make it worse.

Well said. To be honest, I'm sure it wouldn't work in DT. 7 strings is enough. I find all the bands that use 8 string guitars only to chug in lower register really unlistenable. Ok, AAL makes it sound cool, but JP is not Tosin and I hope it stays this way.

Haken uses 8 string guitars and IMO they really know how to use them in an interesting way, not just chugging.

Agreed! They're really low passages a VERY heavy, but in very interesting ways, plus they don't just stick in the lower register all the time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on July 15, 2018, 07:29:40 AM
Quote


Heavy = Sure
8-String = Please God No

Dream Theater doesn't need an 8-string.  John Petrucci doesn't need an 8-string.  It's too much of a gimmick and will be stepping on John Myung's toes cuz at that point the bass starts to become superfluous.

They're great for djent and bands or bands like Animals as Leaders since they have no bass at all and simply play the bass lines on their 8- and 9-strings.

They're fine to mess around on but I really hope JP avoids them for actual material.  He's already used a down-tuned 7-string a whole step down to A (Illumination Theory) and the definition between notes suffers for it and going to an 8-string will only make it worse.

Well said. To be honest, I'm sure it wouldn't work in DT. 7 strings is enough. I find all the bands that use 8 string guitars only to chug in lower register really unlistenable. Ok, AAL makes it sound cool, but JP is not Tosin and I hope it stays this way.

Haken uses 8 string guitars and IMO they really know how to use them in an interesting way, not just chugging.

Agreed! They're really low passages a VERY heavy, but in very interesting ways, plus they don't just stick in the lower register all the time.

Yeah, the 8-string can also be used to add texture, not just chuggah-chuggah.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: darkshade on July 15, 2018, 07:11:43 PM
No.  Haken is already making a dent in touring.  They will get a bump from touring with MP.   As much as I'd love seeing this Haken is more established in this part of their career to open.

How did you feel about Dream Theater opening for Iron Maiden in 2010?

Bands don't "make it" like they used to, what with everyone and their mom promoting their mediocre music online, they need as much exposure as they can get. Even an older band like DT got extremely lucky in the early 90s. Don't the members of Haken still hold down day jobs? I know a few bands that still work another job to make ends meet, or quit altogether because "making it" in music where it can be your career is tougher now more than ever because of so much competition and trying to stick out from the masses of other acts out there, and keeping the attention of people who have so many choices of entertainment these days, it is overwhelming.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Anguyen92 on July 15, 2018, 07:54:22 PM
I mean if a relatively smaller (but established and known in their circles) band gets a chance to open for a very established band in their genre, I say they should take that chance.  To go back to Darkshade's point of DT opening for Maiden, despite DT being very established at that point.  You don't say no to opening for Iron Maiden in arenas/amphitheaters in the states even though you typically play in front of 2,000-3,000 people and can make a good living off of that.  Bands like Alter Bridge and Sevendust and Sixx: A.M.  They are certainly established and relatively known in the active rock radio format, and make decent money off touring (despite their relative hurdles/challenges that they go through) doing their own shows.  However, if they get the chance to open for a co-headlining bill with a combination of like Shinedown, Breaking Benjamin, Five Finger Death Punch, A7X, etc., they'll certainly take it.

I see nothing wrong with a band like Haken opening for Dream Theater on either side of the Atlantic and I do believe they would be better for it if the opportunity arises.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ninjabait on July 15, 2018, 08:12:04 PM
No.  Haken is already making a dent in touring.  They will get a bump from touring with MP.   As much as I'd love seeing this Haken is more established in this part of their career to open.

How did you feel about Dream Theater opening for Iron Maiden in 2010?

Bands don't "make it" like they used to, what with everyone and their mom promoting their mediocre music online, they need as much exposure as they can get. Even an older band like DT got extremely lucky in the early 90s. Don't the members of Haken still hold down day jobs? I know a few bands that still work another job to make ends meet, or quit altogether because "making it" in music where it can be your career is tougher now more than ever because of so much competition and trying to stick out from the masses of other acts out there, and keeping the attention of people who have so many choices of entertainment these days, it is overwhelming.

Yes, this is entirely accurate. Rick Beato did an interview with Misha Mansoor and he basically said that he profits very little from touring and album sales. Both of those things eat up a lot of your time and cost truckloads of money. I don't think it's been possible to make a living solely by playing live and recording music. Most of the musicians I knew from music school have done one of the following:

-Gotten teaching gigs (still probably the most consistent way to earn money in music)
-Session work (not as viable now with synthesizers being as good as they are)
-Producing for rappers/whatever or songwriting gigs
-Multiple gigs (I knew people who played in multiple orchestras for money)
-Steady orchestral gigs or choral gigs
-Accompaniment gigs for some pianists
-Day jobs or just putting music as a hobby
-Commercials

Once you hit a certain point you can get sponsorships. YouTube and Patreon have proven to be pretty decent ways to earn money. Also, merch merch merch. You make music to make merch to sell to make music.

But yeah, the barrier to making music has never been lower, and the barrier to making music successfully has never been higher. This isn't anything new, piano went through this HARD over the past century. The upright and eventually electronic piano made it so much easier to buy a piano, and the surplus of teachers made it easy to get lessons. So the standards of playing raised and raised until now it's incredibly difficult to be a concert pianist unless you started grinding at age like 8. Music is the most oversaturated labor market on the planet and that will not change.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on July 15, 2018, 09:41:09 PM
Music is the most oversaturated labor market on the planet and that will not change.

...untill the NOMACS take over :D
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: The Presence of Frenemies on July 16, 2018, 12:17:53 AM
The last Adagio album was done entirely on 8-string and worked well. There was plenty of room for the bass and what not. There were a few djenty sections but they were tasteful and contrasted with the other stuff nicely. No reason DT couldn't use the 8-string just as well. No guarantees it would work, but it certainly could.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on July 16, 2018, 10:21:03 AM
Perhaps a dumb question, but why are we assuming that an 8-string guitar would be strung with two strings tuned below the low-E on a standard 6-string guitar?  Why not string it, e.g., BEADGBEA?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Adami on July 16, 2018, 10:26:57 AM
Perhaps a dumb question, but why are we assuming that an 8-string guitar would be strung with two strings tuned below the low-E on a standard 6-string guitar?  Why not string it, e.g., BEADGBEA?

Same reason we assume a 7 string isn't tuned EADGBEA. DT have generally used things as they are intended.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on July 16, 2018, 10:32:44 AM
Perhaps a dumb question, but why are we assuming that an 8-string guitar would be strung with two strings tuned below the low-E on a standard 6-string guitar?  Why not string it, e.g., BEADGBEA?

Same reason we assume a 7 string isn't tuned EADGBEA. DT have generally used things as they are intended.

Well...wait a minute.  "as intended"?  As intended by whom?  The limited amount of googling I did on the subject indicated plenty of folks who have expanded in both directions.

By the way, I play a 5-string bass tuned EADGC, so....
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Adami on July 16, 2018, 10:34:55 AM
The norm is a 7 string being BEADGBE and so forth.

The fact that some people do it differently doesn't impact that that's how it's intended. If you go to a guitar store, every single 7 string will be in that tuning, unless a customer had gone to change it. Every 8 string will be that with a low F#. If you buy them directly from a manufacturer and don't ask them to change anything, those are the tunings they come in.


Edit: Does that mean they SHOULD be like that? Hell no. I use mostly alternate tunings myself. Doesn't change that fact that DT, generally, keeps things as intended.

As rarely as Petrucci plays a 7 string, if he really wanted that extra high string, he could have had that by now.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on July 16, 2018, 10:42:37 AM
As much as JP regularly experiments with and plays in alternative tunings, I think it's kind of silly to assume any given tuning on the new album, no matter how many strings are involved.  I also think it is equally silly to react strongly against the possibility of him using an 8-string before we've heard even a note of either any of the new material or him playing an 8-string in general.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on July 16, 2018, 11:00:27 AM
I think it's kind of silly to assume any given tuning on the new album, no matter how many strings are involved.

Yup...especially when one of the videos from the rehearsal studio included commentary that he had X different guitars, each of which had a different tuning.''


I also think it is equally silly to react strongly against the possibility of him using an 8-string before we've heard even a note of either any of the new material or him playing an 8-string in general.

And even more silly to react strongly based on an assumption.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Skeever on July 16, 2018, 12:18:12 PM
As much as JP regularly experiments with and plays in alternative tunings, I think it's kind of silly to assume any given tuning on the new album, no matter how many strings are involved.  I also think it is equally silly to react strongly against the possibility of him using an 8-string before we've heard even a note of either any of the new material or him playing an 8-string in general.

I would say he experiments with a lot of dropped tunings but I didn't think he got into many alternate tunnings. Could be wrong though? Would be cool to hear him play in some open tunings and such.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TH1RT3EN on July 16, 2018, 12:28:38 PM
Ok, AAL makes it sound cool, but JP is not Tosin and I hope it stays this way.

"in a controversial move by progressive metal band Dream Theater, guitarist John Petrucci announces plans to become Tosin"

Still better than that "chocolate cake" thing from DT12 :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 16, 2018, 01:19:36 PM
As much as JP regularly experiments with and plays in alternative tunings, I think it's kind of silly to assume any given tuning on the new album, no matter how many strings are involved.  I also think it is equally silly to react strongly against the possibility of him using an 8-string before we've heard even a note of either any of the new material or him playing an 8-string in general.

I would say he experiments with a lot of dropped tunings but I didn't think he got into many alternate tunnings. Could be wrong though? Would be cool to hear him play in some open tunings and such.

He really doesn't do a lot of alternate tunings. Most of his stuff is standard, drop D, seven string standard, or a couple where the guitar is tuned down to C standard or drop C.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Samsara on July 16, 2018, 02:39:52 PM
As much as JP regularly experiments with and plays in alternative tunings, I think it's kind of silly to assume any given tuning on the new album, no matter how many strings are involved.  I also think it is equally silly to react strongly against the possibility of him using an 8-string before we've heard even a note of either any of the new material or him playing an 8-string in general.

It's weird. My reaction to JP potentially using an 8-string was really positive. More of "wow, cool, that'd be different." This is the first DT record since ADToE that I am actually looking forward to. I think after JP got TA out of his system, it appears this is a whole band effort, and hell, even JLB was in on the writing sessions. It'll be nice to hear what they've all come up with, as a band, even if the main ideas likely started with JP and JR, of course.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on July 16, 2018, 09:11:09 PM
Sorry if I'm out of the loop and it has been mentioned already, but have they started tracking yet? The burger party and the treasure hunt is the last thing I've read about.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on July 16, 2018, 10:34:48 PM
Sorry if I'm out of the loop and it has been mentioned already, but have they started tracking yet? The burger party and the treasure hunt is the last thing I've read about.

I suppose they already started, but haven’t posted anything about it. If not, they should start very soon.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 17, 2018, 12:51:24 AM
As much as JP regularly experiments with and plays in alternative tunings, I think it's kind of silly to assume any given tuning on the new album, no matter how many strings are involved.  I also think it is equally silly to react strongly against the possibility of him using an 8-string before we've heard even a note of either any of the new material or him playing an 8-string in general.

I would say he experiments with a lot of dropped tunings but I didn't think he got into many alternate tunnings. Could be wrong though? Would be cool to hear him play in some open tunings and such.

He really doesn't do a lot of alternate tunings. Most of his stuff is standard, drop D, seven string standard, or a couple where the guitar is tuned down to C standard or drop C.
To my knowledge, he's only used (with some examples):

E standard (most songs)
D standard (Forsaken)
E flat standard (I think SOC and TROAE)
Drop D (Home, ONW)
C standard (ANTR)
A standard (These Walls)
A sharp standard (Panic Attack, Wither)
7 string standard (most 7 string songs)
7 string down a whole step (Illumination Theory)

It's possible I missed one or two, but I think I covered it. So mostly, he uses variations of the 6 and 7 string standard tunings, with the occasional drop tuning. But he doesn't use do any crazy alternate tunings like the Periphery guys or Mark Tremonti. I think it could be extremely interesting though if he tried. I use a couple of open tunings, which are extremely fun, and also very expansive for my writing. If I start to get writers block, grabbing a guitar in a different tuning really helps. In a way, it almost feels like picking up a different instrument which is fresh and exciting.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Robo4900 on July 17, 2018, 04:52:47 AM
Still better than that "chocolate cake" thing from DT12 :lol
I thought "Chocolate cake" was actually a pretty good way of explaining what he meant, and it made for a fun, goofy little moment in the behind the scenes thing...

As much as JP regularly experiments with and plays in alternative tunings, I think it's kind of silly to assume any given tuning on the new album, no matter how many strings are involved.  I also think it is equally silly to react strongly against the possibility of him using an 8-string before we've heard even a note of either any of the new material or him playing an 8-string in general.

It's weird. My reaction to JP potentially using an 8-string was really positive. More of "wow, cool, that'd be different." This is the first DT record since ADToE that I am actually looking forward to. I think after JP got TA out of his system, it appears this is a whole band effort, and hell, even JLB was in on the writing sessions. It'll be nice to hear what they've all come up with, as a band, even if the main ideas likely started with JP and JR, of course.
If I'd heard JP might be using an 8-string before I started listening to Haken a couple of years ago, I would be massively hesitant... JP did wonders with 7-strings back when those were new, so I would have still been on board, but as I say, I'd be hesitant.
After having heard Haken show "No no, this is how you use an 8-string", I honestly would be totally on-board with JP using an 8-string.

Perhaps a dumb question, but why are we assuming that an 8-string guitar would be strung with two strings tuned below the low-E on a standard 6-string guitar?  Why not string it, e.g., BEADGBEA?
Back when Steve Vai was experimenting to create the modern electric 7-string guitar, his early prototypes used EADGBEA tuning. Problem is, the high string was so high, and thus had to be so thin and so tightly-wound, it would snap constantly and easily, and ultimately didn't really give much useful benefit.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Addy on July 17, 2018, 05:15:18 AM
Perhaps a dumb question, but why are we assuming that an 8-string guitar would be strung with two strings tuned below the low-E on a standard 6-string guitar?  Why not string it, e.g., BEADGBEA?

Same reason we assume a 7 string isn't tuned EADGBEA. DT have generally used things as they are intended.

Well...wait a minute.  "as intended"?  As intended by whom?  The limited amount of googling I did on the subject indicated plenty of folks who have expanded in both directions.

By the way, I play a 5-string bass tuned EADGC, so....

People have been experimenting with adding higher pitched strings, though it is not popular on electric guitars, cause this string needs to be thinner and it makes it less break resistant. Imagine like 0.06 or 0.07 string gauge for E A D G B E A. Lots of interesting alternatives though, like open tunings (Devin FTW!) or B E A D Gb B E (like B Standard with added high E).
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 17, 2018, 08:56:07 AM
As much as JP regularly experiments with and plays in alternative tunings, I think it's kind of silly to assume any given tuning on the new album, no matter how many strings are involved.  I also think it is equally silly to react strongly against the possibility of him using an 8-string before we've heard even a note of either any of the new material or him playing an 8-string in general.

I would say he experiments with a lot of dropped tunings but I didn't think he got into many alternate tunnings. Could be wrong though? Would be cool to hear him play in some open tunings and such.

He really doesn't do a lot of alternate tunings. Most of his stuff is standard, drop D, seven string standard, or a couple where the guitar is tuned down to C standard or drop C.
To my knowledge, he's only used (with some examples):

E standard (most songs)
D standard (Forsaken)
E flat standard (I think SOC and TROAE)
Drop D (Home, ONW)
C standard (ANTR)
A standard (These Walls)
A sharp standard (Panic Attack, Wither)
7 string standard (most 7 string songs)
7 string down a whole step (Illumination Theory)

It's possible I missed one or two, but I think I covered it. So mostly, he uses variations of the 6 and 7 string standard tunings, with the occasional drop tuning. But he doesn't use do any crazy alternate tunings like the Periphery guys or Mark Tremonti. I think it could be extremely interesting though if he tried. I use a couple of open tunings, which are extremely fun, and also very expansive for my writing. If I start to get writers block, grabbing a guitar in a different tuning really helps. In a way, it almost feels like picking up a different instrument which is fresh and exciting.

Yup, I think you're right - basically he just uses standard or drop D style tunings tuned to different keys. I agree that some open tunings might be cool.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on July 17, 2018, 10:24:51 AM
So.. any are there any non-musical nerds here other than me who want to talk about aspects of the new album other than string tunings?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on July 17, 2018, 10:30:59 AM
So.. any are there any non-musical nerds here other than me who want to talk about aspects of the new album other than string tunings?

Sure....given that the album hasn't even started recording (as far as we know), what aspects of this non-existent album would you like to discuss?  ;-)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on July 17, 2018, 10:40:48 AM
Pretty much anything that I can understand would be great  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on July 17, 2018, 10:43:51 AM
Pretty much anything that I can understand would be great  :biggrin:

The album cover will likely have pictures on it.  It will have words too, but don't fret over that.  They aren't that important.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: AngelBack on July 17, 2018, 10:56:15 AM
I hear the cover will be in drop magenta hue.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on July 17, 2018, 10:56:37 AM
Pictures and Words would make an awesome title for an album!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on July 17, 2018, 10:59:17 AM
 :rollin

watch this be DT's Black Album, neither pictures nor words
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on July 17, 2018, 11:00:11 AM
Pictures and Words would make an awesome title for an album!

Or Images and Terms.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on July 17, 2018, 12:16:23 PM
:rollin

watch this be DT's Black Album, neither pictures nor words

I bet the cover's prevalent color will be black
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on July 17, 2018, 12:17:05 PM
Pictures and Words would make an awesome title for an album!

Or Images and Terms.

Pictures and Terms (legit)  ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on July 17, 2018, 02:31:38 PM
Pictures and Words would make an awesome title for an album!

Or Images and Terms.

Pictures and Terms (legit)  ;D

Yup! :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on July 17, 2018, 02:48:31 PM
Pictures and Words would make an awesome title for an album!

Or Images and Terms.

Pictures and Terms (legit)  ;D

Burgers and Chicken Wings.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 17, 2018, 03:29:19 PM
:rollin

watch this be DT's Black Album, neither pictures nor words

None more words.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 17, 2018, 04:03:51 PM
Now THAT was an awesome update.

John P on the DT FB page.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on July 17, 2018, 04:11:23 PM
Now THAT was an awesome update.

John P on the DT FB page.

Yep, that answers my question about tracking xD
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on July 17, 2018, 04:34:20 PM
And also :

https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Mark Levinson Jr. on July 17, 2018, 05:12:04 PM
And also :

https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016)
Was that a single bass drum I saw?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: DTA on July 17, 2018, 05:19:01 PM
And also :

https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016)
Was that a single bass drum I saw?

Easier to mic, takes up less room, and can still utilize a double pedal. I really hope the drums sounds great on this thing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Mark Levinson Jr. on July 17, 2018, 05:32:41 PM
And also :

https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016)
Was that a single bass drum I saw?

Easier to mic, takes up less room, and can still utilize a double pedal. I really hope the drums sounds great on this thing.

Me too... it's time for MANGINI UNLEASHED!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Adami on July 17, 2018, 05:52:32 PM
And also :

https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016)
Was that a single bass drum I saw?


For recording, single kick is much easier. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on July 17, 2018, 06:16:39 PM
I've been given Top Fan badge by Dream Theater on Facebook. Now every comment and post I make on their FB page has me labeled as a Top Fan. Huhuhu. Their fan interaction for this album is amazing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on July 17, 2018, 09:12:12 PM
They finally started recording! :metal

It's interesting that we still have no clue on who's engineering/mixing the album. Might be a pleasant surprise and they want to keep it a secret for now...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 17, 2018, 11:55:21 PM
Are they back in Bear Track?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 18, 2018, 12:09:33 AM
Are they back in Bear Track?
I think I remember hearing that Bear Tracks was torn down. Can anyone else confirm?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 18, 2018, 01:10:32 AM
And also :

https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016)

I know he’s just warming up in the video, but if it’s any indication of what the drum parts will sound like on the record, this might be Mike’s most groove oriented album performance since he joined the band.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 18, 2018, 02:26:44 AM
And also :

https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016)

I know he’s just warming up in the video, but if it’s any indication of what the drum parts will sound like on the record, this might be Mike’s most groove oriented album performance since he joined the band.

On top of that, listening to the video on my studio monitors, the snare sounds like it could be promising!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on July 18, 2018, 06:04:47 AM
I like how he mentions the studio and the seclusion and how that's important to this album.  It wasn't the first time he said it, but he keeps saying it, and I feel like this is really going to pay off.  The way they are talking to the fans and the look on JP's face, just looks like he's excited and it's making us all excited.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 18, 2018, 08:20:00 AM
I like how he mentions the studio and the seclusion and how that's important to this album.  It wasn't the first time he said it, but he keeps saying it, and I feel like this is really going to pay off.  The way they are talking to the fans and the look on JP's face, just looks like he's excited and it's making us all excited.

Yup totally agree. My original comment about recording where they demoed everything was that they couldn't because that place wasn't equipped for professional tracking, so DT proved me wrong by basically bringing in gear to outfit the place to be able to record there.  :lol

Looks like a nice setup, pretty clean and streamlined, some outboard gear, nice studio monitors looks fun. Also, MM recording with one kick drum is good, IMO. Easier to get good kick sounds with just one drum. They also have a good variety of room mics around the kit, hopefully some of that room vibe translates into the recording.

Great stuff from the band to keep us continually updated.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on July 18, 2018, 08:25:35 AM
You know what would be cool? For DT to release a full drum track of a song as a preview.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 18, 2018, 09:03:14 AM
You know what would be cool? For DT to release a full drum track of a song as a preview.

Hmm, that would be different for sure. Not sure if I'd like that or not.

I definitely like having the option of purchasing stems in an album package when the record is released, but as a first taste, I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on July 18, 2018, 10:13:37 AM
You know what would be cool? For DT to release a full drum track of a song as a preview.

That would be awesome.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: lucasembarbosa on July 18, 2018, 10:45:11 AM
It makes no sense. It's like asking for a painter to preview a painting in the works, but just showing the brushstrokes of a certain color. It's incomplete and doesn't reflect the purpose of the entire project...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Evai on July 18, 2018, 10:49:57 AM
People would be straining their ears to try to hear the song through MM's headphone bleed
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on July 18, 2018, 10:58:03 AM
Are they back in Bear Track?

BearTracks Studios has been closed for at least a decade (whether it's been "torn down" I have no idea).  They're recording the same place where they wrote it (as JP said in the video).
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on July 18, 2018, 11:03:03 AM
And also :

https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1019339256412758016)

I know he’s just warming up in the video, but if it’s any indication of what the drum parts will sound like on the record, this might be Mike’s most groove oriented album performance since he joined the band.

On top of that, listening to the video on my studio monitors, the snare sounds like it could be promising!

But doesn't that just mean that it sounds good in the studio and that's it? Can't it be later "ruined" during the mixing stage? I'm legitimately asking this, I actually have no idea how all of this drum sound stuff works  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 18, 2018, 11:41:30 AM
But doesn't that just mean that it sounds good in the studio and that's it? Can't it be later "ruined" during the mixing stage? I'm legitimately asking this, I actually have no idea how all of this drum sound stuff works  :lol

Yes. Just because a snare drum sounds good in a room does not mean it will sound good on a recording. SO many things can be done to snare drum once recorded that could drastically alter or even complete replace the natural sound of the drum. Supplementing with samples, EQ, compression, etc... can totally change the sound of the snare we will eventually hear on the album.

That said, I think it's still encouraging to hear a good, solid, normal snare sound since they toyed with the de-tuned sound on DT12.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Chris Hinton on July 18, 2018, 02:00:08 PM
You know what would be cool? For DT to release a full drum track of a song as a preview.

That would be awesome.

They should release a stem a week leading up to the release of the first single...  Drums, then bass, vocals, keys, and finally guitar.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 18, 2018, 03:56:08 PM
Are they back in Bear Track?

BearTracks Studios has been closed for at least a decade (whether it's been "torn down" I have no idea).  They're recording the same place where they wrote it (as JP said in the video).

Way NOT torn down.  Could have been yours for a couple million.  Fortunately this listing still has pictures up.  I can almost picture James LaBrie shooting hoops.

https://www.landsofamerica.com/property/926-Haverstraw-Road-Suffern-New-York-10901/1680945
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 18, 2018, 03:58:22 PM
Are they back in Bear Track?

BearTracks Studios has been closed for at least a decade (whether it's been "torn down" I have no idea).  They're recording the same place where they wrote it (as JP said in the video).

Way NOT torn down.  Could have been yours for a couple million.  Fortunately this listing still has pictures up.  I can almost picture James LaBrie shooting hoops.

https://www.landsofamerica.com/property/926-Haverstraw-Road-Suffern-New-York-10901/1680945

Only 2.6 million?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on July 18, 2018, 05:26:20 PM
Are they back in Bear Track?

BearTracks Studios has been closed for at least a decade (whether it's been "torn down" I have no idea).  They're recording the same place where they wrote it (as JP said in the video).

Way NOT torn down.  Could have been yours for a couple million.  Fortunately this listing still has pictures up.  I can almost picture James LaBrie shooting hoops.

https://www.landsofamerica.com/property/926-Haverstraw-Road-Suffern-New-York-10901/1680945

Interesting that it was listed as residential property, with no mention of its life as a recording studio.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: chrisbDTM on July 19, 2018, 12:03:52 AM
I’m no audio engineer but it doesn’t look like the most acoustic friendly place to record drums with those big windows right behind him. but maybe they’ll make it work and it’ll sound better than the previous Mangini-era drum sounds.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: jakepriest on July 19, 2018, 06:37:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHSzH7MoUSY

The drums are sounding pretty great so far!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on July 19, 2018, 06:44:30 PM
So whatever the hell MM was playing sounded fantastic.


And was the rest of it a commercial for Kingsford? Will the next installment have them all drinking Pepsis?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 19, 2018, 06:50:56 PM
So whatever the hell MM was playing sounded fantastic.

:iagree: 


Although JP has to know that ANY snippet of music is going to be dissected to the microscopic level by the fans. There will be the 90% that ‘love it’ and the 10% that already know the album sucks because the keyboards sounded like the tone they used in ‘Solitary Shell’.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on July 19, 2018, 06:53:44 PM
I like how MM was not playing live in the vid. Hahaha
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 19, 2018, 06:54:26 PM
That sounded great!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 19, 2018, 08:10:55 PM
So, all the guys in Dream Theater seem like they'd be fun to hang out with but more than that, I would really just love them to cook for me. Since they're being really good about taking fan suggestions, maybe they could have a competition where they cook for you. I mean, I'm not even saying they have to interact with us in any way, I just want to eat that food.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: lucasembarbosa on July 19, 2018, 08:43:42 PM
I like how MM was not playing live in the vid. Hahaha

That's called "pre roll recording", it starts to execute the prior recorded take seconds before starting the new one. He recorded the first part, took a pause and started to record the second part with a few seconds of the playback to know where he should enter when the big red button REC is actually pressed... hehe
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on July 19, 2018, 09:30:07 PM
I like how MM was not playing live in the vid. Hahaha

That's called "pre roll recording", it starts to execute the prior recorded take seconds before starting the new one. He recorded the first part, took a pause and started to record the second part with a few seconds of the playback to know where he should enter when the big red button REC is actually pressed... hehe

Yep :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on July 19, 2018, 10:10:18 PM
So, all the guys in Dream Theater seem like they'd be fun to hang out with but more than that, I would really just love them to cook for me. Since they're being really good about taking fan suggestions, maybe they could have a competition where they cook for you. I mean, I'm not even saying they have to interact with us in any way, I just want to eat that food.

Seriously. Those guys are eating well. I want those chicken thighs, damn it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on July 19, 2018, 10:28:37 PM
I like how MM was not playing live in the vid. Hahaha

That's called "pre roll recording", it starts to execute the prior recorded take seconds before starting the new one. He recorded the first part, took a pause and started to record the second part with a few seconds of the playback to know where he should enter when the big red button REC is actually pressed... hehe

Yep :metal

So I watched it again and apparently I first watched the vid on a poor connection which is why the audio and the vid were not synced.  :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on July 19, 2018, 10:43:03 PM
Seriously. Those guys are eating well. I want those chicken thighs, damn it.

What's wrong with your own thighs?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: DoctorAction on July 20, 2018, 05:33:34 AM
That several seconds makes me very happy so far!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: devieira73 on July 20, 2018, 06:24:46 AM
Anyone here was able to indentify if the hi-hats are back to its normal positions? Just curious about it...
I mean, with the hi-hats high the way they were during the composition phase, it's hard to believe that Mike could play something like the hi-hats patterns he plays on the The Looking Glass solo, which it's one of the things I love in his style of playing. I know, I know, he's Mike Mangini, but still...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 20, 2018, 06:59:01 AM
Very cool little snippet! Drums sounding great so far!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Sycsa on July 20, 2018, 07:10:21 AM
That snippet really pumped me up! I feel like this will be the best MM album so far (and I loved them all, except for TA).

JP really upped his beard game. No wonder he follows all these pages on Instagram.
(https://i.redditmedia.com/abeq9lfY23l0QjenegiJK3xdH5AEpGW58f9zVJDV-28.png?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=640&s=0372d6119d562185070fc887d0f637e8)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on July 20, 2018, 07:13:45 AM
That was a pretty cool clip, sounded awesome.  And of course the food looked great as usual. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 20, 2018, 07:14:54 AM
JP really upped his beard game. No wonder he follows all these pages on Instagram.
(https://i.redditmedia.com/abeq9lfY23l0QjenegiJK3xdH5AEpGW58f9zVJDV-28.png?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=640&s=0372d6119d562185070fc887d0f637e8)

 :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on July 20, 2018, 08:18:14 AM
Seriously. Those guys are eating well. I want those chicken thighs, damn it.

What's wrong with your own thighs?

 :lol Petrucci looks like he knows how to cook! Did you see how many thighs he had? :2metal:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ddtonfire on July 20, 2018, 08:45:08 AM
This is what I want to see... it looks like those guys are having an absolute blast writing and recording, just hanging out, and eating like kings.

That sounded great!

Yeah that sizzling chicken's making me hungry.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on July 20, 2018, 08:58:01 AM
These posts and updates are all I could ever ask for and more. Way to go, DT :metal

About the little snippet we heard there, when can we start to speculate about where it fits on a song or the album? :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 20, 2018, 09:06:33 AM
These posts and updates are all I could ever ask for and more. Way to go, DT :metal

About the little snippet we heard there, when can we start to speculate about where it fits on a song or the album? :biggrin:

Agreed. This has been the awesome! They look like they're having an absolute blast.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on July 20, 2018, 10:15:10 AM
This is what I want to see... it looks like those guys are having an absolute blast writing and recording, just hanging out, and eating like kings.

That sounded great!

Yeah that sizzling chicken's making me hungry.

I'm not sure if these videos are making me more excited for the new album or more hungry!

New album title:  Images & Barbecue or Metropolis Part 3:  Scenes from a Rib Smoker
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on July 20, 2018, 10:26:24 AM
Six Degrees of Grillin

So far we've seen burgers, wings, and thighs.  What are the next three?  Steaks? Hot Dogs?  Sausage? Shrimp maybe? 
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on July 20, 2018, 10:30:21 AM
Ribs -  Six Racks of Whole Lotta Rub.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on July 20, 2018, 10:47:35 AM
These posts and updates are all I could ever ask for and more. Way to go, DT :metal

About the little snippet we heard there, when can we start to speculate about where it fits on a song or the album? :biggrin:

That could have just been a warmup routine, right?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on July 20, 2018, 11:00:35 AM
These posts and updates are all I could ever ask for and more. Way to go, DT :metal

About the little snippet we heard there, when can we start to speculate about where it fits on a song or the album? :biggrin:

That could have just been a warmup routine, right?

No.  Even aside from the fact that it is obvious from the video that he is recording an actual part of a song, the caption reads:
Quote
Here’s Mike in the studio recording a short proggy bit from the new album. Yes, that will be the album take and his reward will be some delicious BBQ chicken courtesy of chef JP!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ddtonfire on July 20, 2018, 11:03:10 AM
A Dramatic Flip of Patties?

Blackened Tips and Silverware?

A Change of Seasonings?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on July 20, 2018, 11:20:33 AM
No.  Even aside from the fact that it is obvious from the video that he is recording an actual part of a song, the caption reads:
Quote
Here’s Mike in the studio recording a short proggy bit from the new album. Yes, that will be the album take and his reward will be some delicious BBQ chicken courtesy of chef JP!

Woops, I hadn't checked the new video yet when I posted this. I was talking about the first video. My bad xD
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on July 20, 2018, 11:31:47 AM
It sounds very cool! What surprised me is how melodic/proggy it is, since they’ve said they’re working on a heavy album. Looks like it’ll be a very balanced album between prog and heavy elements :hefdaddy

Yes, all that just from a single snippet :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RoeDent on July 20, 2018, 12:38:20 PM
Dream Theater fans...able to make a judgment on an album based entirely on 20 seconds or so of music. Still...cool little segment. I would also like chicken thighs please.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on July 20, 2018, 01:07:37 PM
It sounds very cool! What surprised me is how melodic/proggy it is, since they’ve said they’re working on a heavy album. Looks like it’ll be a very balanced album between prog and heavy elements :hefdaddy

Indeed! of course to make assumptions about this clip is like thinking Black Clouds was ballad heavy by hearing the "Could this be the end" snippet in the little snippet that was released before the album, but it sounds like they concentrated on melody as you said and didn't for a chugga chugga wankfest. Sounds cool!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 20, 2018, 11:29:26 PM
I really really hope there's a version of the album with a little making of DT14 docu.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ninjabait on July 21, 2018, 07:50:34 AM
Tbh that little proggy excerpt really sounds more like something I'd expect from a JR solo album or LTE. Has me kind of intrigued for the new album
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pcs90 on July 21, 2018, 12:05:17 PM
Tbh that little proggy excerpt really sounds more like something I'd expect from a JR solo album or LTE. Has me kind of intrigued for the new album
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. I love JR's solo albums and LTE so that's a good sign.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on July 21, 2018, 12:08:54 PM
Ugh, please not anything like LTE. Can't comment of any of Jordan's solo work.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Schurftkut on July 21, 2018, 12:54:59 PM
check out his album Rhythm of Time! standout tracks for me are Insectsamongus and Ra
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Orbert on July 21, 2018, 01:55:45 PM
A Change of Seasonings?

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on July 21, 2018, 02:19:49 PM
The clip does remind me of Rhythm of Time, and then leads into a variation of The Simpsons theme.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: antigoon on July 21, 2018, 10:53:23 PM
Rhythm of Thyme, imo
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 21, 2018, 11:16:09 PM
What I enjoyed about the clip...

It sounds amazing, it has that Inside Out record label feel to it. Meaning Inside Out lets their artists have full control and feel of their sound.

I felt, Since DT signed to RoadRunner they were appealing to that crowd. I feel DT belongs on Inside Out label now.

Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: DoctorAction on July 22, 2018, 12:29:04 AM
After listening to it a couple more times it reminds me of Spock's Beard.   :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 22, 2018, 05:23:49 PM
To be honest it sounds like the style of Dream Theater that I'm not into as much. I was hoping for something more raw and heavy but at the same time almost every Dream Theater song has moments that I'm not into but I like the overall product. Either way it actually makes me more excited than I was just because it's great to hear something.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Peter Mc on July 22, 2018, 05:52:20 PM
Just sounds to me like a typical crazy instrumental passage that DT have always done.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: GandL on July 23, 2018, 06:10:09 AM
I really liked what I heard in that snippet  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: w_marano on July 23, 2018, 07:38:33 AM
Dream Theater fans...able to make a judgment on an album based entirely on 20 seconds or so of music. Still...cool little segment. I would also like chicken thighs please.

100% Agree!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bill1971 on July 23, 2018, 09:33:01 AM
Seeing the new clip has left me with a ton of new intriguing questions such as, what dd he season the chicken with and what sides will be served?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Chino on July 23, 2018, 12:39:59 PM
Has anyone played the clip backwards to see if they're hiding anything?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: YtseJamittaja on July 23, 2018, 01:05:25 PM
Yeah, it sayed "eat my wings and steaks" in morse code

Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Stewie on July 23, 2018, 01:09:47 PM
That clip sounds awesome. Can't wait to hear more.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on July 23, 2018, 02:16:14 PM
I wonder if we're gonna get updates from the studio at a fixed rate (like one per week) or if it's gonna be random. I already can't wait for the next one  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: jonny108 on July 23, 2018, 05:40:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlGLzB4nTuY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlGLzB4nTuY)

Drum tracking has finished.  Plus another cool heavy snippet from the album. Mega!  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gm5k on July 23, 2018, 05:55:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlGLzB4nTuY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlGLzB4nTuY)

Drum tracking has finished.  Plus another cool heavy snippet from the album. Mega!  :metal

Thanks for link! Loved that heavy riff and MM's tone!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: utopiarun on July 23, 2018, 06:27:00 PM
Let’s pray the snare “cracks” like that once it’s all produced.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Madman Shepherd on July 23, 2018, 06:31:15 PM
ok, now that sounds badass.  Definitely can deal with the non preferable stuff like the first proggy bit they shared if I can get more stuff like this
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on July 23, 2018, 07:23:37 PM
I love how Dream Theater posts new videos after I ask innocent questions. I better start doing it more often.  :lol
With that said, what comes next typically? Bass?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MinistroRaven on July 23, 2018, 07:29:28 PM
https://www.facebook.com/7677942180/posts/10155438761127181/
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on July 23, 2018, 07:31:15 PM
Love the crack
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: PetFish on July 23, 2018, 10:04:18 PM
How does JP find the time to be so great at so many things:  Guitar/Musician.  Master Chef.  Dad.  Gym.  Laundry.

What a great role model.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on July 23, 2018, 10:58:44 PM
How does JP find the time to be so great at so many things:  Guitar/Musician.  Master Chef.  Dad.  Gym.  Laundry.

What a great role model.

Don’t forget beard master and grizzly bear.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on July 24, 2018, 01:20:21 AM
who was playing the drums while Mangini and JP was talking? Or was that an audio of recorded drums?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 24, 2018, 01:22:14 AM
Probably playback yeah. Also, that's a LOT of cracken.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Trav86 on July 24, 2018, 06:36:12 AM
who was playing the drums while Mangini and JP was talking? Or was that an audio of recorded drums?

It’s what he’s already recorded. It’s better to listen to that to count you in, instead of just a metronome count, especially if you’re tracking a part that’s like right in the middle of a musical section.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on July 24, 2018, 06:37:00 AM
And this one!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n (https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on July 24, 2018, 07:55:24 AM
who was playing the drums while Mangini and JP was talking? Or was that an audio of recorded drums?

It’s what he’s already recorded. It’s better to listen to that to count you in, instead of just a metronome count, especially if you’re tracking a part that’s like right in the middle of a musical section.

I was talking about the part about JP cooking and MM playing in a PS. :-P
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gm5k on July 24, 2018, 10:19:05 AM
JP mentioned that Rupert Neve Designs helped them transform the place into a recording studio.  Would love to know what they did/provided.  I know JP loves Neve preamps for recording electric guitar.  Hope there's some info and possibly video on that for us studio gear nerds  :o

Wonder if they might be recording into a RND console that then goes directly into Pro Tools, or if they're just going straight into digital from the source.  Easy enough to have a combination of analog and digital these days if that's what the guys wanted. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on July 24, 2018, 10:36:35 AM
JP to start tracking guitars now: https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/photos/a.133462500039104.42405.126844294034258/2053557848029550/?type=3&theater  :metal

Btw, looks like the engineer for this album is James "Jimmy T" Meslin, and not Rich Chycki. He was the assistant engineer on both DT12 and TA (according to allmusic) and seems to be doing it all by himself this time. Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on July 24, 2018, 10:42:43 AM
JP to start tracking guitars now: https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/photos/a.133462500039104.42405.126844294034258/2053557848029550/?type=3&theater  :metal


WELL WELL WELL... This is turning out to be quicker than I expected..  :metal I bet we are going to get a single before 2019..
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on July 24, 2018, 10:44:06 AM
I bet we are going to get a single before 2019..

Oh, definitely :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gm5k on July 24, 2018, 10:45:01 AM
JP to start tracking guitars now: https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/photos/a.133462500039104.42405.126844294034258/2053557848029550/?type=3&theater  :metal

Btw, looks like the engineer for this album is James "Jimmy T" Meslin, and not Rich Chycki. He was the assistant engineer on both DT12 and TA (according to allmusic) and seems to be doing it all by himself this time. Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.

Great info, thanks.  Looks possibly like two ribbons and a dynamic on the cab?  Just guessing hard to tell with mic on far left. 

Edit: actually looks like mic on far left could be a condenser or a dynamic like a Sennheiser MD421.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: lucasembarbosa on July 24, 2018, 11:20:13 AM
Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.

Please, Godtrucci, never asked for anyone other than Jens Bogren. Let thy will be done. It will be what it needs to be. Amen
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: YtseJamittaja on July 24, 2018, 11:58:31 AM
Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.

Please, Godtrucci, never asked for anyone other than Jens Bogren. Let thy will be done. It will be what it needs to be. Amen

Amen.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 24, 2018, 11:59:21 AM
Awesome that drums are done already, that little heavy clip of a song in that video sounded great!

I also enjoyed that they specifically included a clip of the guys talking about the crack of the snare.  :lol

On to guitar!  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on July 24, 2018, 12:08:41 PM
I love JP telling MM to chill out and wait because JP is making food!   :lol :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on July 24, 2018, 12:11:37 PM
Guitars before bass? I thought that the rhythm section always gets recorded first.

Well, they did do demos so maybe the recording order is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on July 24, 2018, 12:16:35 PM
Not sure why, but I seem to remember JM coming in after the rhythm guitars were done. Don't remember why I think that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Evai on July 24, 2018, 12:24:09 PM
Guitars before bass? I thought that the rhythm section always gets recorded first.

Well, they did do demos so maybe the recording order is irrelevant.

I have a guitar magazine from 2008, where JP says they have always (unusually) recorded the bass last, because their music focuses on the interplay between guitar and drums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gm5k on July 24, 2018, 12:25:43 PM
Guitars before bass? I thought that the rhythm section always gets recorded first.

Well, they did do demos so maybe the recording order is irrelevant.

Yea.  Since they did high quality demos they have really solid bass lines for JP to groove with.  Like you said it makes the recording order less important I would think.

Ah cool info Evai.  Guess it wouldn't have mattered then, but definitely doesn't hurt to have those HQ multitracked demos.  Can only help with feeling connected to the recording/record for a performer.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 24, 2018, 12:29:51 PM
A lot of guitar-based rock or metal bands record guitars before bass, it's very common in the genre and DT (to the best of my knowledge) have always recorded main rhythm guitars before bass. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gm5k on July 24, 2018, 01:21:28 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BloB0YVjdWt/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=199qeskdfmbyq

JP and engineer finding the right tone (funny video on JP's Insta)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: JayOctavarium on July 24, 2018, 01:23:05 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BloB0YVjdWt/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=199qeskdfmbyq

JP and engineer finding the right tone (funny video on JP's Insta)

Turn down your speakers though... Just a heads up.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 24, 2018, 01:24:20 PM
It's so nice to see they're having fun. Can't wait for this damn album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on July 24, 2018, 01:27:10 PM
I like that heavy snippet! It's heavy without being overblown, heavy like the intro of The Mirror (few simple notes that hit you like a concrete wall), not Chugga-chugga-wanka-wanka-drllldrlldrll-play-a-million-notes-because-you-can heavy. Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on July 24, 2018, 01:29:03 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BloB0YVjdWt/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=199qeskdfmbyq

JP and engineer finding the right tone (funny video on JP's Insta)

So, DT12 was chocolate cake tone, now it's T-Rex roar tone? :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on July 24, 2018, 01:31:58 PM
That's funny!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 24, 2018, 01:39:38 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BloB0YVjdWt/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=199qeskdfmbyq

JP and engineer finding the right tone (funny video on JP's Insta)

 :lol I love that they are really having fun with the fans this time around.

In all seriousness, that JP sig guitar he has in that video is lovely.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gm5k on July 24, 2018, 01:40:48 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BloB0YVjdWt/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=199qeskdfmbyq

JP and engineer finding the right tone (funny video on JP's Insta)

So, DT12 was chocolate cake tone, now it's T-Rex roar tone? :lol

That's before they got the mids in check  :lol

Maybe now it's more like a Plesiosaur.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on July 24, 2018, 01:42:33 PM
I also liked the keyboard in that snippet. Sounds like a dark song, which I love.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on July 24, 2018, 02:53:50 PM
I don't really understand how the music business works, but it seems like the whole album will be recorded and mixed by like September. Do we really need to wait until 2019 to get our hands on the thing? :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on July 24, 2018, 02:59:51 PM
I don't really understand how the music business works, but it seems like the whole album will be recorded and mixed by like September. Do we really need to wait until 2019 to get our hands on the thing? :lol

They have to master it, they have to prepare the promotional campaign, they have to organize interviews, they have to get the hype going, they have to physically mass produce all the CDs etc.... yeah, maybe it can be done quicker if one wants it, but there are certain timeframes for that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: lucasembarbosa on July 24, 2018, 03:03:36 PM
I don't really understand how the music business works, but it seems like the whole album will be recorded and mixed by like September. Do we really need to wait until 2019 to get our hands on the thing? :lol

I think it depends much more on the label's schedule than on the band's will... At the end of the year it'll be one full year since they got signed to IO, and haven't released anything. Hope they anticipate the release. For like... November. So I get a nice bd gift  :biggrin:

I don't really understand how the music business works, but it seems like the whole album will be recorded and mixed by like September. Do we really need to wait until 2019 to get our hands on the thing? :lol

They have to master it, they have to prepare the promotional campaign, they have to organize interviews, they have to get the hype going, they have to physically mass produce all the CDs etc.... yeah, maybe it can be done quicker if one wants it, but there are certain timeframes for that.

And we still have all the possible interesting gadgets for the special/deluxe releases, so they might need some time producing those... Assuming that IO handle things differently than RRR.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on July 24, 2018, 03:07:08 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BloB0YVjdWt/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=199qeskdfmbyq

JP and engineer finding the right tone (funny video on JP's Insta)

Funny!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Pax on July 24, 2018, 04:08:12 PM
I like that heavy snippet! It's heavy without being overblown, heavy like the intro of The Mirror (few simple notes that hit you like a concrete wall), not Chugga-chugga-wanka-wanka-drllldrlldrll-play-a-million-notes-because-you-can heavy. Looking forward to it!
It's actually very similar to Outcry riff at 2 min
I'd dare to assume that this album will resemble ADTOE the most
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: sfam2112 on July 24, 2018, 04:22:27 PM
I don't really understand how the music business works, but it seems like the whole album will be recorded and mixed by like September. Do we really need to wait until 2019 to get our hands on the thing? :lol

They have to master it, they have to prepare the promotional campaign, they have to organize interviews, they have to get the hype going, they have to physically mass produce all the CDs etc.... yeah, maybe it can be done quicker if one wants it, but there are certain timeframes for that.

I've noticed it takes about 8-9 months from the day they start writing until the day of release. A couple of examples being ToT (3/10/2003 to 11/11/03) and ADToE (1/3/2011 to 9/12/2011)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on July 24, 2018, 06:15:23 PM
Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.

Please, Godtrucci, never asked for anyone other than Jens Bogren. Let thy will be done. It will be what it needs to be. Amen

Amen.

Or just ask Nolly :corn
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on July 24, 2018, 06:35:34 PM
I like that heavy snippet! It's heavy without being overblown, heavy like the intro of The Mirror (few simple notes that hit you like a concrete wall), not Chugga-chugga-wanka-wanka-drllldrlldrll-play-a-million-notes-because-you-can heavy. Looking forward to it!
It's actually very similar to Outcry riff at 2 min
I'd dare to assume that this album will resemble ADTOE the most

I wouldn't mind that. I love ADTOE.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: lucasembarbosa on July 24, 2018, 06:51:54 PM
Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.

Please, Godtrucci, never asked for anyone other than Jens Bogren. Let thy will be done. It will be what it needs to be. Amen

Amen.

Or just ask Nolly :corn

Another excellent option to give'em that nice modern wonderfully balanced sound, I wouldn't mind either.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on July 24, 2018, 11:23:43 PM
Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.

Please, Godtrucci, never asked for anyone other than Jens Bogren. Let thy will be done. It will be what it needs to be. Amen

Amen.

Or just ask Nolly :corn

Another excellent option to give'em that nice modern wonderfully balanced sound, I wouldn't mind either.
I agree. I would think they would have gotten him to help with the drum sound though. He's a magician when it comes to recording drums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: YtseJamittaja on July 24, 2018, 11:44:49 PM
Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.

Please, Godtrucci, never asked for anyone other than Jens Bogren. Let thy will be done. It will be what it needs to be. Amen

Amen.

Or just ask Nolly :corn

Another excellent option to give'em that nice modern wonderfully balanced sound, I wouldn't mind either.
I agree. I would think they would have gotten him to help with the drum sound though. He's a magician when it comes to recording drums.

Yeah, Haken already knows it, hope that DT could go the same way, wishful thinking..
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: NoseofNicko on July 25, 2018, 12:28:35 AM
It’s sometimes nice to be completely ignorant when it comes to production, mixing, etc... I don’t hear anything wrong with the drums on any of the last 3 albums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: robwebster on July 25, 2018, 12:52:21 AM
I don't really understand how the music business works, but it seems like the whole album will be recorded and mixed by like September. Do we really need to wait until 2019 to get our hands on the thing? :lol
Recording seems to be on track to finish mid-late August, if we assume all the other four take a week or so each.

Call it another month for mixing (number picked basically from a hat!) and the album will exist in a finished format mid-September. There probably is an ambitious-but-doable timeline that would have the album out in 2018: Let’s say they’ve finalised the cover art by the time the mix is delivered, they could do a two month promo period and release in mid-November, or a more standard three month with a mid-December release.

I think the issue is that Christmas and the lead-up to Christmas is a bit of a pain for messaging.  Every big mainstream franchise is competing for your attention with their mid-November, early-December release dates so you’ll buy their stuff for Christmas - and that’s not just the music industry. If you want to stand out, you need to bring your big boy pants - and in switching from RoadRunner to InsideOut, Dream Theater have just taken their big boy pants off and slipped into something more comfortable.

I’m not slagging off InsideOut by the way, they’re a perfectly cromulent record label and I’d be surprised if they didn’t do a good job of promoting the biggest band on their label! But I doubt they’ll want to go all-in on promoting it while everyone with a franchise is doing the same thing. I imagine we’ll get a reveal and a single this year, but January is a much safer time to be ramping up promo, with maybe an early February release?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: dream75 on July 25, 2018, 03:11:59 AM
I think the new album will be released on January 25th and between the end of November and the beginning of December the first single
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Eldomm on July 25, 2018, 03:23:04 AM
Was there any progress with the third password??
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on July 25, 2018, 06:34:00 AM
It's oFinallyFreeo
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 25, 2018, 08:39:27 AM
Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.

Please, Godtrucci, never asked for anyone other than Jens Bogren. Let thy will be done. It will be what it needs to be. Amen

Amen.

Or just ask Nolly :corn

Another excellent option to give'em that nice modern wonderfully balanced sound, I wouldn't mind either.
I agree. I would think they would have gotten him to help with the drum sound though. He's a magician when it comes to recording drums.

Yeah, Haken already knows it, hope that DT could go the same way, wishful thinking..

Agreed, I'm still holding out hope that they have Nolly mix it though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: romdrums on July 25, 2018, 08:46:02 AM
Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.

Please, Godtrucci, never asked for anyone other than Jens Bogren. Let thy will be done. It will be what it needs to be. Amen

Amen.

Or just ask Nolly :corn

Another excellent option to give'em that nice modern wonderfully balanced sound, I wouldn't mind either.
I agree. I would think they would have gotten him to help with the drum sound though. He's a magician when it comes to recording drums.

Nolly does get good drum sounds.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 25, 2018, 08:55:27 AM
Nolly does get good drum sounds.

I see what you did there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Orbert on July 25, 2018, 09:56:34 AM
The word for today is

cromulent
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: commanderbob on July 25, 2018, 10:33:21 AM
The word for today is

cromulent

I find that sentiment most cromulent.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on July 25, 2018, 11:06:41 AM
I’m not slagging off InsideOut by the way, they’re a perfectly cromulent record label

Weren't the Cromulents a villain in Star Trek?


Was there any progress with the third password??

If only there were a dedicated thread for that.  Maybe it could be called "Treasure Hunt."   ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: EraVulgaris on July 25, 2018, 11:13:37 AM
I like how after all these years of people arguing about the snare sound, they went "Listen here, you little shits..." and released a video of them literally working on the snare sound.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on July 25, 2018, 11:15:52 AM
I like how after all these years of people arguing about the snare sound, they went "Listen here, you little shits..." and released a video of them literally working on the snare sound.

Yeah, and I love it. However, it could still be ruined during the mixing stage, according to some people here. I will remain positive, nonetheless.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on July 25, 2018, 11:31:35 AM
Now, we just need to find out who's going to mix it.

Please, Godtrucci, never asked for anyone other than Jens Bogren. Let thy will be done. It will be what it needs to be. Amen

Amen.

Or just ask Nolly :corn

Another excellent option to give'em that nice modern wonderfully balanced sound, I wouldn't mind either.
I agree. I would think they would have gotten him to help with the drum sound though. He's a magician when it comes to recording drums.

Yeah, Haken already knows it, hope that DT could go the same way, wishful thinking..

Agreed, I'm still holding out hope that they have Nolly mix it though.

Good options for me would be Jens Bogren, Nolly and Kevin Shirley.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Adami on July 25, 2018, 11:32:52 AM
I like how after all these years of people arguing about the snare sound, they went "Listen here, you little shits..." and released a video of them literally working on the snare sound.

If only the snare sounded good, it would have been a great middle finger.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Orbert on July 25, 2018, 12:27:52 PM
I’m not slagging off InsideOut by the way, they’re a perfectly cromulent record label

Weren't the Cromulents a villain in Star Trek?


Was there any progress with the third password??

If only there were a dedicated thread for that.  Maybe it could be called "Treasure Hunt."   ;D

So "cromulent" is the third password? :omg:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Architeuthis on July 25, 2018, 01:40:13 PM
It’s sometimes nice to be completely ignorant when it comes to production, mixing, etc... I don’t hear anything wrong with the drums on any of the last 3 albums.
This!  I never noticed anything wrong that jumped out at me with the recordings. I just enjoyed the music and didn't try to pick it apart.
 Maybe I should re-listen to everything and find a new hobby by critiquing the sound production on each drum. It might be alot of fun!  :tup :tdwn 😎
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ddtonfire on July 25, 2018, 01:41:29 PM
Good options for me would be Jens Bogren, Nolly and Kevin Shirley.

I'd be thrilled with any of these. Maybe Steven Wilson, too.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: lucasembarbosa on July 25, 2018, 02:02:12 PM
Good options for me would be Jens Bogren, Nolly and Kevin Shirley.

I'd be thrilled with any of these. Maybe Steven Wilson, too.
SW's approach to calm/atmospheric prog is fine. Metal? Hmmm. Dunno

His works as engineer/mixer/producer with Anathema went great, AFAIK... Well, there's the productions along Mikael Åkerfeldt, which could show his skills with heavier stuff.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 25, 2018, 02:14:55 PM
I like how after all these years of people arguing about the snare sound, they went "Listen here, you little shits..." and released a video of them literally working on the snare sound.

If only the snare sounded good, it would have been a great middle finger.

 :lol It was a pretty typical sounding snare - it didn't sound great, it didn't sound bad. It was also what looked like phone recording from another room.

I still have hope!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Chris Hinton on July 25, 2018, 02:53:18 PM
I’m not slagging off InsideOut by the way, they’re a perfectly cromulent record label

Weren't the Cromulents a villain in Star Trek?

I had a cromulent for breakfast.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Indiscipline on July 25, 2018, 03:04:13 PM
The word for today is

cromulent

It's a perfectly cromulent word. It embiggens the discourse.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on July 25, 2018, 04:40:44 PM
I’m not slagging off InsideOut by the way, they’re a perfectly cromulent record label

Weren't the Cromulents a villain in Star Trek?

I had a cromulent for breakfast.

If I recall correctly, MP's octabarns were extremely cromulent.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: dparrott on July 25, 2018, 11:16:25 PM
The word for today is

cromulent

It's a perfectly cromulent word. It embiggens the discourse.

A cromulent snare embiggens the overall drum sound.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cyclopssss on July 26, 2018, 01:22:03 AM
I love the instant comedic understanding between these two. How does on even come up with a line like: 'it sounds like there's a plummer in the room' and then John instantly replying: "and his name is Phil McCracken". I mean, come on. That's gold.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: vtgrad on July 26, 2018, 09:40:28 AM
I love the instant comedic understanding between these two. How does on even come up with a line like: 'it sounds like there's a plummer in the room' and then John instantly replying: "and his name is Phil McCracken". I mean, come on. That's gold.

"That's Gold Jerry... GOLD!"  I'd like to see JMX crank out his version of the Seinfeld theme; maybe make it an easter egg on the album.

Enjoying the updates just like everyone else; and it's nice to see them having fun in each other's company.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Chino on July 26, 2018, 11:47:20 AM
I love the instant comedic understanding between these two. How does on even come up with a line like: 'it sounds like there's a plummer in the room' and then John instantly replying: "and his name is Phil McCracken". I mean, come on. That's gold.

"That's Gold Jerry... GOLD!"  I'd like to see JMX crank out his version of the Seinfeld theme; maybe make it an easter egg on the album.

Fun fact, the Seinfeld opening theme was recorded for each individual episode to perfectly sink up with the first line.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: kingshmegland on July 26, 2018, 12:25:04 PM
I love the instant comedic understanding between these two. How does on even come up with a line like: 'it sounds like there's a plummer in the room' and then John instantly replying: "and his name is Phil McCracken". I mean, come on. That's gold.

"That's Gold Jerry... GOLD!"  I'd like to see JMX crank out his version of the Seinfeld theme; maybe make it an easter egg on the album.

Fun fact, the Seinfeld opening theme was recorded for each individual episode to perfectly sink up with the first line.


Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: PetFish on July 26, 2018, 02:01:13 PM
Aren't we at war with the Cromulents and their big shoulder pads and pointy eyebrows?

My favourite "in sync" moment is from the LaB tour video where MP is talking about the guys not hearing the cowbell and they do the "he's got a feva!" thing from SnL.  Now that's gold, Jerry, GOLD!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on July 26, 2018, 02:39:43 PM
My favourite "in sync" moment is from the LaB tour video where MP is talking about the guys not hearing the cowbell and they do the "he's got a feva!" thing from SnL.  Now that's gold, Jerry, GOLD!

Funny I distinctly remember that (was it from the L@B video?) and did not know the reference, and thus thought it was the most random comment.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on July 26, 2018, 03:23:24 PM
My favourite "in sync" moment is from the LaB tour video where MP is talking about the guys not hearing the cowbell and they do the "he's got a feva!" thing from SnL.  Now that's gold, Jerry, GOLD!

Funny I distinctly remember that (was it from the L@B video?) and did not know the reference, and thus thought it was the most random comment.

It's from the "Riding the Train of Thought" documentary on the Budokan video.  I just watched it within the last couple weeks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on July 26, 2018, 03:45:25 PM
Day 3 of guitar tracking about to begin :

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bls-BTHB-oH/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=9d236twf1qh3 (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bls-BTHB-oH/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=9d236twf1qh3)

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on July 26, 2018, 05:45:38 PM
Day 3 of guitar tracking about to begin :

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bls-BTHB-oH/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=9d236twf1qh3 (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bls-BTHB-oH/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=9d236twf1qh3)

B.Lee

That’s a baritone guitar :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Trav86 on July 26, 2018, 09:16:51 PM
Funny. It’s the same one he’s been using since the Systematic Chaos tour.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on July 26, 2018, 10:29:22 PM
Good options for me would be Jens Bogren, Nolly and Kevin Shirley.

I'd be thrilled with any of these. Maybe Steven Wilson, too.
SW's approach to calm/atmospheric prog is fine. Metal? Hmmm. Dunno

Listen to Opeth’s Blackwater Park. Steven Wilson can absolutely produce metal.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: lucasembarbosa on July 27, 2018, 02:22:45 AM
Good options for me would be Jens Bogren, Nolly and Kevin Shirley.

I'd be thrilled with any of these. Maybe Steven Wilson, too.
SW's approach to calm/atmospheric prog is fine. Metal? Hmmm. Dunno

Listen to Opeth’s Blackwater Park. Steven Wilson can absolutely produce metal.

Didn't know he produced this beauty. Yeah, he can produce metal for sure...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Peter Mc on July 27, 2018, 06:12:02 AM
I think he's said in the past that he's not a huge fan of Dream Theater so not sure he would be interested even if asked, which he probably won't be.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: robwebster on July 27, 2018, 08:02:39 AM
Yeah, he’s not a DT guy. He liked Repentance, but his apology on Repentance was for an interview where he was talking about how much he doesn’t like DT.

DT aren’t really a very Wilsonny band, either. There’s more crossover than there used to be now that he’s doing more openly progressive stuff, but DT are a bit too... majestic? SW’s style is a lot more atmospheric. They’re probably the two biggest progressive artists of the current generation, but I don’t think they’d combine well.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: goo-goo on July 27, 2018, 08:40:27 AM
I would think Jens Bogren would be a good fit with DT as far as producer and engineer, mixer, and mastering. What Jens has done with Fates Warning, Haken (and a lot of bands) has been nothing short of phenomenal.

Still not sure who is the recording engineer for this album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 27, 2018, 08:44:27 AM
Still not sure who is the recording engineer for this album.

People keep saying it's some guy named "Jimmy T" who apparently does their live sound or something? Not really sure beyond that...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Trav86 on July 27, 2018, 08:49:02 AM
Yeah, he’s not a DT guy. He liked Repentance, but his apology on Repentance was for an interview where he was talking about how much he doesn’t like DT.

DT aren’t really a very Wilsonny band, either. There’s more crossover than there used to be now that he’s doing more openly progressive stuff, but DT are a bit too... majestic? SW’s style is a lot more atmospheric. They’re probably the two biggest progressive artists of the current generation, but I don’t think they’d combine well.

Agree. Steven Wilson/Porcupine Tree are totally different than DT. Seems pretty obvious to me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Logain Ablar on July 27, 2018, 09:08:37 AM
Not sure what the normal process is, but would a producer not normally be involved in the early stages of recording too? I mean, if there was a certain type of sound they wanted to go for, would this not affect the process of miking up drums, amps as well?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: robwebster on July 27, 2018, 09:31:40 AM
Not sure what the normal process is, but would a producer not normally be involved in the early stages of recording too? I mean, if there was a certain type of sound they wanted to go for, would this not affect the process of miking up drums, amps as well?
Yeah, a producer is a bit like a film director - they're making creative suggestions, they're helping the album take shape. They'd be in basically from the start.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on July 27, 2018, 10:17:03 AM
Still not sure who is the recording engineer for this album.

People keep saying it's some guy named "Jimmy T" who apparently does their live sound or something? Not really sure beyond that...

James Meslin “Jimmy T”. JP said he and Maddi worked hard on making the studio ready for recording. He’s appeared on a few videos they’ve posted about the writing/recording, and he’s listed as assistant recording engineer on both DT12 and TA. On his Facebook says he works as an audio engineer for Cove City Sound Studios (where they recorded ADTOE, DT12 and TA), and also has “Audio and sorts” for DT listed in their same section. He isn’t their live sound guy, though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on July 27, 2018, 11:52:04 AM
Not sure what the normal process is, but would a producer not normally be involved in the early stages of recording too? I mean, if there was a certain type of sound they wanted to go for, would this not affect the process of miking up drums, amps as well?
Yeah, a producer is a bit like a film director - they're making creative suggestions, they're helping the album take shape. They'd be in basically from the start.

Actually an album producer isn't much like a film director at all. A film director is calling all the shots on the set, and depending on who he is and the project, he has a hand in the casting, the set design, the script, the editing, and whatever else he/she wants to be involved with.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 27, 2018, 12:06:00 PM
James Meslin “Jimmy T”. JP said he and Maddi worked hard on making the studio ready for recording. He’s appeared on a few videos they’ve posted about the writing/recording, and he’s listed as assistant recording engineer on both DT12 and TA. On his Facebook says he works as an audio engineer for Cove City Sound Studios (where they recorded ADTOE, DT12 and TA), and also has “Audio and sorts” for DT listed in their same section. He isn’t their live sound guy, though.

Ah gotcha, thanks. I see on LinkedIn he does have "Sound Tech" for DT on his resume over the last several years.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on July 27, 2018, 12:17:35 PM
https://youtu.be/ODM9vvvXWD8

DT14 studio video 1: technical prog madness. Check.
DT14 studio video 2: dark drop C groove. Check.
DT14 studio video 3: heavy (drop A?) riff. Check.

ToT part II. Anyone?  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on July 27, 2018, 12:20:42 PM
https://youtu.be/ODM9vvvXWD8

That little snippet at the end :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on July 27, 2018, 12:27:08 PM
https://youtu.be/ODM9vvvXWD8

That little snippet at the end :metal

Sounds heavy as fuck!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on July 27, 2018, 12:29:04 PM
https://youtu.be/ODM9vvvXWD8

That little snippet at the end :metal

Sounds heavy as fuck!

Indeed! Gave me an Awake vibe :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kocak on July 27, 2018, 01:23:01 PM
I am liking the interaction this time around. Simple, here's what we are doing kinda thing. And the snippets sound great. I hope they don't destroy it in the mixing.

In other news, I think JM has an Instagram account now, and he's rather active.

https://www.instagram.com/jmyungimages/
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 27, 2018, 01:28:21 PM
https://youtu.be/ODM9vvvXWD8

That little snippet at the end :metal

Sounds heavy as fuck!

Indeed! Gave me an Awake vibe :metal

 :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on July 27, 2018, 03:07:20 PM
Smell My Beard 20 minute epic confirmed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on July 27, 2018, 03:46:38 PM
That's actually the album title, Smell the Beard. I heard the label has some issues with the artwork, though...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on July 27, 2018, 03:48:07 PM
That's actually the album title, Smell the Beard. I heard the label has some issues with the artwork, though...

The cover artwork features John's current beard and every page of the booklet features the beard growing process.  :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Adami on July 27, 2018, 03:48:59 PM
That's actually the album title, Smell the Beard. I heard the label has some issues with the artwork, though...

It's incredibly offensive to lumber jacks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on July 27, 2018, 05:27:45 PM
That's actually the album title, Smell the Beard. I heard the label has some issues with the artwork, though...

It's incredibly offensive to lumber jacks.

That's actually the album title, Smell the Beard. I heard the label has some issues with the artwork, though...

The cover artwork features John's current beard and every page of the booklet features the beard growing process.  :rollin

 :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on July 27, 2018, 06:59:35 PM
Still not sure who is the recording engineer for this album.

People keep saying it's some guy named "Jimmy T" who apparently does their live sound or something? Not really sure beyond that...

http://wario.wikia.com/wiki/Jimmy_T.

 :justjen
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TH1RT3EN on July 27, 2018, 09:51:53 PM
In other news, I think JM has an Instagram account now, and he's rather active.

https://www.instagram.com/jmyungimages/

As far as I know, not him.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on July 27, 2018, 10:20:15 PM
In other news, I think JM has an Instagram account now, and he's rather active.

https://www.instagram.com/jmyungimages/

As far as I know, not him.

Looks like a fan account to me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on July 28, 2018, 02:13:31 AM
Still not sure who is the recording engineer for this album.

People keep saying it's some guy named "Jimmy T" who apparently does their live sound or something? Not really sure beyond that...

http://wario.wikia.com/wiki/Jimmy_T.

 :justjen

 :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Peter Mc on July 28, 2018, 08:48:02 AM
That's actually the album title, Smell the Beard. I heard the label has some issues with the artwork, though...

What’s wrong with being sexy?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: dparrott on July 28, 2018, 10:06:42 AM
That's actually the album title, Smell the Beard. I heard the label has some issues with the artwork, though...

Hold My Beard
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: GasparXR on July 28, 2018, 10:43:03 PM
That new snippet sounds pretty djenty... looks like they're taking in more modern influences on this album. Obviously the first two snippets sound more like normal DT though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ToT-147 on July 30, 2018, 03:07:07 PM
It’s sometimes nice to be completely ignorant when it comes to production, mixing, etc... I don’t hear anything wrong with the drums on any of the last 3 albums.
This!  I never noticed anything wrong that jumped out at me with the recordings. I just enjoyed the music and didn't try to pick it apart.
 Maybe I should re-listen to everything and find a new hobby by critiquing the sound production on each drum. It might be alot of fun!  :tup :tdwn 😎

 :lol

Exactly my thoughts.. Is not a thing of knowing about mixing/producing/etc to properly judge if you liked an album or not, but to just listen to the damn music.. Don't understand those who REALLY care about the sound, and who's the producer, etc... it's DT, who cares about all that?..


And this one!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n (https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n)


 :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: liran95 on July 31, 2018, 08:10:26 AM
It’s sometimes nice to be completely ignorant when it comes to production, mixing, etc... I don’t hear anything wrong with the drums on any of the last 3 albums.
This!  I never noticed anything wrong that jumped out at me with the recordings. I just enjoyed the music and didn't try to pick it apart.
 Maybe I should re-listen to everything and find a new hobby by critiquing the sound production on each drum. It might be alot of fun!  :tup :tdwn 😎

 :lol

Exactly my thoughts.. Is not a thing of knowing about mixing/producing/etc to properly judge if you liked an album or not, but to just listen to the damn music.. Don't understand those who REALLY care about the sound, and who's the producer, etc... it's DT, who cares about all that?..


And this one!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n (https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n)


 :rollin



I can understand your point, but IMO, of course the sound matters. At least to some extent.
I mean, if you compare the drums in FII to those in DT12, it just stands out that the depth of the sound is miles away from each other.
I think the worst drum sound was produced in DT12. In some songs (Enigma Machine for example) I can't stand the drums, they just sound so muddy and flat. It really hurts the whole listening experience for me.

For comparison (an exaggerated one, but still valid), it would be like the guitar solos were played without distortion (on a clean guitar). The notes and rhythm would still be the same, but the impact would be completely damaged.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on July 31, 2018, 09:55:15 AM
It’s sometimes nice to be completely ignorant when it comes to production, mixing, etc... I don’t hear anything wrong with the drums on any of the last 3 albums.
This!  I never noticed anything wrong that jumped out at me with the recordings. I just enjoyed the music and didn't try to pick it apart.
 Maybe I should re-listen to everything and find a new hobby by critiquing the sound production on each drum. It might be alot of fun!  :tup :tdwn 😎

 :lol

Exactly my thoughts.. Is not a thing of knowing about mixing/producing/etc to properly judge if you liked an album or not, but to just listen to the damn music.. Don't understand those who REALLY care about the sound, and who's the producer, etc... it's DT, who cares about all that?..


And this one!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n (https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n)


 :rollin



I can understand your point, but IMO, of course the sound matters. At least to some extent.
I mean, if you compare the drums in FII to those in DT12, it just stands out that the depth of the sound is miles away from each other.
I think the worst drum sound was produced in DT12. In some songs (Enigma Machine for example) I can't stand the drums, they just sound so muddy and flat. It really hurts the whole listening experience for me.

For comparison (an exaggerated one, but still valid), it would be like the guitar solos were played without distortion (on a clean guitar). The notes and rhythm would still be the same, but the impact would be completely damaged.

I agree with you, liran95. And that is why I never listen to WDaDU and practically never to DT12.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Fritzinger on August 01, 2018, 04:24:15 AM
It’s sometimes nice to be completely ignorant when it comes to production, mixing, etc... I don’t hear anything wrong with the drums on any of the last 3 albums.
This!  I never noticed anything wrong that jumped out at me with the recordings. I just enjoyed the music and didn't try to pick it apart.
 Maybe I should re-listen to everything and find a new hobby by critiquing the sound production on each drum. It might be alot of fun!  :tup :tdwn 😎

 :lol

Exactly my thoughts.. Is not a thing of knowing about mixing/producing/etc to properly judge if you liked an album or not, but to just listen to the damn music.. Don't understand those who REALLY care about the sound, and who's the producer, etc... it's DT, who cares about all that?..


And this one!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n (https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n)


 :rollin



I can understand your point, but IMO, of course the sound matters. At least to some extent.
I mean, if you compare the drums in FII to those in DT12, it just stands out that the depth of the sound is miles away from each other.
I think the worst drum sound was produced in DT12. In some songs (Enigma Machine for example) I can't stand the drums, they just sound so muddy and flat. It really hurts the whole listening experience for me.

For comparison (an exaggerated one, but still valid), it would be like the guitar solos were played without distortion (on a clean guitar). The notes and rhythm would still be the same, but the impact would be completely damaged.

I agree with you, liran95. And that is why I never listen to WDaDU and practically never to DT12.

B.Lee

Well, at least WD&DU has that certain do-it-youself vibe in its sound that I find pretty authentic. And it still sounds better than Spock's Beard's The Light which has the same vibe.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Trav86 on August 01, 2018, 07:02:37 AM
Yeah, poor production doesn’t stop me from enjoying the music.  It might suck, but I don’t completely discredit an album based on production.  I love WDADU!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Zydar on August 01, 2018, 07:09:40 AM
I like WDADU too, I'd much rather listen to it than TA for instance. Some great songs on it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on August 01, 2018, 10:07:14 AM
WDADU has great tunes on it. I never listen to the Charlie version but I always listen to the Reunite version.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kattelox on August 01, 2018, 10:14:34 AM
The production is far from the worst thing about that record. :P
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on August 01, 2018, 10:24:36 AM
The production is far from the worst thing about that record. :P

For me, it's a tie between the production and the singing.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on August 01, 2018, 11:00:11 AM
I'm still waiting for the next video: DT 14 - Beard Lotion
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ToT-147 on August 01, 2018, 11:34:55 AM
Is not a thing of knowing about mixing/producing/etc to properly judge if you liked an album or not, but to just listen to the damn music.. Don't understand those who REALLY care about the sound, and who's the producer, etc... it's DT, who cares about all that?..

I can understand your point, but IMO, of course the sound matters. At least to some extent.
I mean, if you compare the drums in FII to those in DT12, it just stands out that the depth of the sound is miles away from each other.
I think the worst drum sound was produced in DT12. In some songs (Enigma Machine for example) I can't stand the drums, they just sound so muddy and flat. It really hurts the whole listening experience for me.

For comparison (an exaggerated one, but still valid), it would be like the guitar solos were played without distortion (on a clean guitar). The notes and rhythm would still be the same, but the impact would be completely damaged.

The thing is that, when I listen to an album, I just only listen to the music.. Listen to the melodies, the chord progressions, riffs, solos, etc (and much more we have to pay attention to in regard to the music itself when is a prog band, you already have a lot of elements within the composition to listen to; why concentrate so much in the sound?)... I don't "compare" it with another album, at least regarding its sound.. I remember I was listening to DT12 like for the 10th time and was really into it, and starting to love more songs with each listening, when I decided to see what other people (in these forum and in yt/fb comments mostly) were thinking about the album, and found all this negative comments about the drum sound and general sound of the album, like... almost no one was talking about the music!..

Your example is not "exaggerated"; it just doesn't fit at all with what I was saying.. I wasn't talking about what type of sound each instrumentist wants for his instrument, but about how the album sounds after the mix and mastering.. So I don't get why DT fans (in general) are so critics of the production rather than the quality of music, when they actually have had at least from good to nearly excellent album productions.. Why remark all the time those few negative aspects that makes an only "good" production only just good and not better rather than the positive ones, or, once again, the content itself?..

I mean, I understand what you're saying, because I can say that it happens to me, in some extent, with WDADU, and (to name other bands) with Animations self-title album or Metallica's Kill'em All.. But with the recent DT albums?.. Not at all..
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Dream Team on August 01, 2018, 11:44:11 AM
Audiophiles are people too.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: PetFish on August 01, 2018, 10:38:35 PM
The thing is that, when I listen to an album, I just only listen to the music.. Listen to the melodies, the chord progressions, riffs, solos, etc (and much more we have to pay attention to in regard to the music itself when is a prog band, you already have a lot of elements within the composition to listen to; why concentrate so much in the sound?)... I don't "compare" it with another album, at least regarding its sound.. I remember I was listening to DT12 like for the 10th time and was really into it, and starting to love more songs with each listening, when I decided to see what other people (in these forum and in yt/fb comments mostly) were thinking about the album, and found all this negative comments about the drum sound and general sound of the album, like... almost no one was talking about the music!..

Your example is not "exaggerated"; it just doesn't fit at all with what I was saying.. I wasn't talking about what type of sound each instrumentist wants for his instrument, but about how the album sounds after the mix and mastering.. So I don't get why DT fans (in general) are so critics of the production rather than the quality of music, when they actually have had at least from good to nearly excellent album productions.. Why remark all the time those few negative aspects that makes an only "good" production only just good and not better rather than the positive ones, or, once again, the content itself?..

I mean, I understand what you're saying, because I can say that it happens to me, in some extent, with WDADU, and (to name other bands) with Animations self-title album or Metallica's Kill'em All.. But with the recent DT albums?.. Not at all..

I'm with you on this 100% especially about people not talking about the music.

It really does seem like people aren't listening to the music as much as they're listening to each ingredient and trying to compare it with what it "should" sound like according to some kind of magic audio recipe.

I also agree that "audiophiles are people too" except that it seems like many of them look way down on those who aren't audiophiles and try to tell them what's good and what isn't based purely on "the math" and what it sounds like on a $35,000 home theater.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 01, 2018, 11:16:38 PM
I think, to me, the thing about this whole "sound quality" discussion is that I'm not a trained musician or have a good grasp of hearing what "perfect instrumental" quality sounds like.  Therefore, when I read these kinds of comments that show up more often than not (this pretty much applies to any forum), I get frustrated at reading those comments.  It's probably either because I can't understand it or I can't contribute to the conversation at hand since I don't have a perfect grasp of the matter discussed (which pops up a lot so frequently that it can't really be ignored).  My thoughts mainly composes of, "this song sounds cool.  I like it when x musician does this thing like a solo or an awesome riff kicking in or the vocal melodies, or whatnot."  It's hardly ever "this song is produced beautifully.  I can hear everything clearly and the instruments are mixed well."  The only times I would say stuff along those lines is when the album sounds really really tolling to hear in the mix (a good example is sadly, Alter Bridge's The Last Hero album, still a great album though).

This is why I sorta get frustrated when I read some not so optimistic comments regarding DT12 (when it comes to the "sound" quality of it), because I can't tell if everything is produced and mixed in it optimally.  I just hear an amazingly crafted album with some great songs and memorable parts of it, especially in the lyrics and vocal melodies.  I even like Enigma Machine a lot and I read people deride that track a lot, but I just love the whimsical/playful aura of it and I place it as my 2nd favorite DT instrumental (behind Erotomania).
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on August 02, 2018, 12:31:21 AM
You don't have to be a trained musician to know if something sounds bad.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: nikatapi on August 02, 2018, 01:27:06 AM
You don't have to be a trained musician to know if something sounds bad.

Yeah, we're not nitpicking when criticizing DT12 drum sound. The snare sounds so out of place, especially in softer sections. It actually distracts me from enjoying the music.
On the other hand, i feel like TA was such a big improvement. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: noxon on August 02, 2018, 01:38:04 AM
Well, I have had the opportunity to listen to most DT albums without any outside influence - only my own experience. And DT12 was very hard to get through because of its extremely loud master. The lacks of dynamics made listening to the album a very tiring experience, and it took me a lot longer to just... break through the loudness of it, and start digesting the actual music.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on August 02, 2018, 02:39:10 AM
I'm far from being a sound specialist and I can tell WDaDU and DT12 sound bad. I don't have a 35.000 dollar system, just my PC or my car. And I can tell they sound bad. For the people saying it doesn't distract them, good for them. Most of the time, it doesn't distract me, but in these cases, it does. And it's more of a fatigue that came upon me, because I've listened to these albums a lot to give them a fair chance. Now, it's just that I've been overwhelmed by how bad they sound to the point that I don't feel the urge to listen to them again.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on August 02, 2018, 03:06:14 AM
Guitar tone for DT14 explained :

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl81UTUhJmm/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1c1o0krx8rrbw (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl81UTUhJmm/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1c1o0krx8rrbw)

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on August 02, 2018, 06:05:28 AM
Oh yeah, those pictures really help.


Looks like another commercial...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: noxon on August 02, 2018, 06:17:26 AM
Well, in truth they do help. For gearheads, this is golden. Knowing exactly how the amp is set up is enabling us to turn our own gear to the same setting.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on August 02, 2018, 06:19:07 AM
I appreciate the video for sure. These are great behind the scenes glimpses of what is happening.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 02, 2018, 06:56:30 AM
Yeah that actually is cool to see. JP has always been open about gear and settings, which is great. Some guitar players don't want people to see their settings or the mods that they make to their rig, like it's some secret, JP has never been like that. That micing configuration looks nice, especially that room mic far back.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: noxon on August 02, 2018, 07:05:53 AM
I just tried those settings, and... well, they do pack a punch. Not something I can play with usually - at least not at home.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 02, 2018, 07:13:23 AM
I just tried those settings, and... well, they do pack a punch. Not something I can play with usually - at least not at home.

 :lol I'm assuming it was pretty darn loud based on the gain and master settings.

You have a JP2C?I've been wanting to try one out for a while, they look like killer amps.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: noxon on August 02, 2018, 07:32:40 AM
I do, along with a few JP sig guitars (and some pedals) - it's a killer amp. Very easy to use (much more so than any previous Mark), with the added benefit of the midi and the cabclone interface being onboard. And it is just perfect for that classic Mark IIc+ sound.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 02, 2018, 07:37:01 AM
That's awesome, like I said, I've been meaning to try one out. From a far it does look like the best of both worlds - that classic Boogie IIC+ sound along with modern features.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: dparrott on August 02, 2018, 08:51:16 AM
Well, I have had the opportunity to listen to most DT albums without any outside influence - only my own experience. And DT12 was very hard to get through because of its extremely loud master. The lacks of dynamics made listening to the album a very tiring experience, and it took me a lot longer to just... break through the loudness of it, and start digesting the actual music.

That's the first album where I actually had to turn down the treble while listening to it.  My treble is max for everything else and it's fine.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 02, 2018, 10:53:19 AM
While I can understand why people may think DT12 or WDADU sound bad, I cannot understand how people let I&W off the hook.  Not just the drum sound, but the bass sounds relatively thin as well. 

For the record, I do think people put too much emphasis on sound.  For me, I've always been able to set that aside and enjoy it for what it is.  WDADU is the, I think, objectively the worst sounding DT album but even I can look past that and enjoy it.  It only takes about 30-40 seconds to just immerse yourself in it and concentrate on the music to look past it. 

DT12 is loudly mastered which can be a pain but the snare is no worse than I&W.

Live at Luna Park doesn't have great drum sound but I found myself getting caught up in this sound talk and forgetting that overall, while its not great, it's not that bad either. 

Of course, it helps that I used to (and still do occasionally) listen to underground black metal that sounds like it was recorded in a cave or forest so anything sounds better than that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on August 02, 2018, 11:21:33 AM
For the record, I do think people put too much emphasis on sound.  For me, I've always been able to set that aside and enjoy it for what it is.  WDADU is the, I think, objectively the worst sounding DT album but even I can look past that and enjoy it.  It only takes about 30-40 seconds to just immerse yourself in it and concentrate on the music to look past it. 

Completely agree with all of this. To me, the snare sounds terrible on ACOS, but I can still enjoy the song and listen to it without a problem. Why? Because it's about enjoying the music. Even WDADU is a great album if you forget about the mix quality and focus on the songs and the band performances, it's a matter of perspective, I think.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on August 02, 2018, 12:35:41 PM
I'd rather listen to a new snippet, but I'm a spoiled brat. :p
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kocak on August 02, 2018, 02:11:25 PM
In other news, I think JM has an Instagram account now, and he's rather active.

https://www.instagram.com/jmyungimages/

As far as I know, not him.

Looks like a fan account to me.

The official DT account tags this account with pictures of JM. So it's pretty legit. If it is, JM also just confirmed that the new album will be released in 2019 a comment for one of his pictures.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ToT-147 on August 02, 2018, 03:33:25 PM
The new album will be released in a comment?.. A strange new method I must say..
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on August 02, 2018, 05:06:32 PM
In other news, I think JM has an Instagram account now, and he's rather active.

https://www.instagram.com/jmyungimages/

As far as I know, not him.

Looks like a fan account to me.

The official DT account tags this account with pictures of JM. So it's pretty legit. If it is, JM also just confirmed that the new album will be released in a comment for one of his pictures.

What does "released in a comment" mean?  Or were you saying that, in a comment, he "confirmed that the new album will be released"?  If so, was there any real doubt "that the new album will be released"?  Were there folks thinking that they might spend all the time and effort to write and record the album but not release it?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on August 02, 2018, 05:14:29 PM
Maybe he forgot the rest, but he mentions in said comment that the album will be released in (I actually don't know if this is allowed to be posted, so I edited it).
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ytserush on August 02, 2018, 05:24:19 PM
It’s sometimes nice to be completely ignorant when it comes to production, mixing, etc... I don’t hear anything wrong with the drums on any of the last 3 albums.
This!  I never noticed anything wrong that jumped out at me with the recordings. I just enjoyed the music and didn't try to pick it apart.
 Maybe I should re-listen to everything and find a new hobby by critiquing the sound production on each drum. It might be alot of fun!  :tup :tdwn 😎

 :lol

Exactly my thoughts.. Is not a thing of knowing about mixing/producing/etc to properly judge if you liked an album or not, but to just listen to the damn music.. Don't understand those who REALLY care about the sound, and who's the producer, etc... it's DT, who cares about all that?..


And this one!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n (https://www.instagram.com/p/BlmcOPqHqjJ/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1j8nardzjrg5n)


 :rollin



I can understand your point, but IMO, of course the sound matters. At least to some extent.
I mean, if you compare the drums in FII to those in DT12, it just stands out that the depth of the sound is miles away from each other.
I think the worst drum sound was produced in DT12. In some songs (Enigma Machine for example) I can't stand the drums, they just sound so muddy and flat. It really hurts the whole listening experience for me.

For comparison (an exaggerated one, but still valid), it would be like the guitar solos were played without distortion (on a clean guitar). The notes and rhythm would still be the same, but the impact would be completely damaged.

I agree with you, liran95. And that is why I never listen to WDaDU and practically never to DT12.

B.Lee

Well, at least WD&DU has that certain do-it-youself vibe in its sound that I find pretty authentic. And it still sounds better than Spock's Beard's The Light which has the same vibe.

Two of my all-time favorite albums. Both are far from sonic masterpieces. Perhaps The Light is a tad muddier but it likely didn't have the production budget When Dream And Day Unite did either. The attitude and the music more than make up for those shortcomings however.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 02, 2018, 06:04:04 PM
Maybe he forgot the rest, but he mentions in said comment that the album will be released in (I actually don't know if this is allowed to be posted, so I edited it).

 John Myung is always leaking information which I heard is the real reason Kevin Moore left

Anyway, here is what the account mentioned in the comment. 

jmyungimages@archidayat the new album Dream theater will be released in february 2019 🔥

There are similar awkwardly worded comments from "him."  Check out this exchange where "John" posted a picture of a young John

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOHdiVyBXB4/?taken-by=jmyungimages
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: noxon on August 02, 2018, 10:56:41 PM
I have been skeptical about that account for a white. The grammar indicates that the it’s not a native speaker writing. Words are often missing and the order is often wrong. Plus the account writes in a manner that is far from the personality we know of JM. I mean; “jmyungimages: Who anyone want to join my birthday wishes ? 😁
#dreamtheater #progrock #heavymetal #happybirthday #wish #progmetal #progbirthday”

So I sent JM a quick email: “Is this really your account?”

His response: “No, I don’t know who put this up.”

So that settles that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Kocak on August 02, 2018, 11:03:43 PM
I have been skeptical about that account for a white. The grammar indicates that the it’s not a native speaker writing. Words are often missing and the order is often wrong. Plus the account writes in a manner that is far from the personality we know of JM. I mean; “jmyungimages: Who anyone want to join my birthday wishes ? 😁
#dreamtheater #progrock #heavymetal #happybirthday #wish #progmetal #progbirthday”

So I sent JM a quick email: “Is this really your account?”

His response: “No, I don’t know who put this up.”

So that settles that.

Oops, I take my guess back. Thank you for the clarification.
The DT account should not be tagging it then.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: nobloodyname on August 02, 2018, 11:13:52 PM
Well, I have had the opportunity to listen to most DT albums without any outside influence - only my own experience. And DT12 was very hard to get through because of its extremely loud master. The lacks of dynamics made listening to the album a very tiring experience, and it took me a lot longer to just... break through the loudness of it, and start digesting the actual music.

That's the first album where I actually had to turn down the treble while listening to it.  My treble is max for everything else and it's fine.

I'm intrigued by this. Why would your treble be at "maximum for everything else"? I don't think I could listen to anything I own, on any system I own, at maximum treble. It would, almost literally, be a painful experience.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 02, 2018, 11:20:45 PM
I have been skeptical about that account for a white. The grammar indicates that the it’s not a native speaker writing. Words are often missing and the order is often wrong. Plus the account writes in a manner that is far from the personality we know of JM. I mean; “jmyungimages: Who anyone want to join my birthday wishes ? 😁
#dreamtheater #progrock #heavymetal #happybirthday #wish #progmetal #progbirthday”

So I sent JM a quick email: “Is this really your account?”

His response: “No, I don’t know who put this up.”

So that settles that.

Well, shit, as long as you're spilling the beans on pertinent information, ask him if he wrote any lyrics for the new album.  Ask him if Jelly Jam is going to tour and actually make it out of the eastern time zone.  Ask him what his favorite Jordan Rudess app is. 

Or just thanks for settling that. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Sebastián Pratesi on August 03, 2018, 10:05:02 AM
Oops, I take my guess back. Thank you for the clarification.
The DT account should not be tagging it then.
Maybe it's relevant to the 'Treasure Hunt'? I'm guessing not, because Noxon took the time to ask about the account. But still!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gm5k on August 03, 2018, 12:05:04 PM


I'm intrigued by this. Why would your treble be at "maximum for everything else"? I don't think I could listen to anything I own, on any system I own, at maximum treble. It would, almost literally, be a painful experience.

Really depends on the speakers/system.  If your speakers are non-trebley/dark sounding it might sound fine with the treble all the way up.  This could be especially true for someone with damaged HF hearing (like many drummers for instance)  Not saying that's the case for that particular poster.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on August 03, 2018, 06:54:54 PM
I'm gonna go with Rick Jacobi as the album cover artist.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: DoctorAction on August 04, 2018, 05:37:00 AM
Re production and sound:

Lyrics are also often dismissed as unimportant for many but all of it is a relevant part of the art. There is no aspect that can't enhance or detract from the experience. How individuals respond is, of course, infinitely variable but ALL of it is important.

A painter carefully selects a shade of paint for all areas of a painting. She won't blindly grab a tube of paint without looking, obviously. The canvas she paints on has an effect as well. The brush she uses, also.

When a publisher puts out a novel they select a particular font and size. When they publish a a graphic novel they make sure the printing is sharp and crisp. There are obvious reasons for making these decisions carefully. If it looks like you're reading the comic through obscured bathroom glass it detracts from the experience.

When someone makes a piece of furniture they choose a fabric that looks good and is strong and comfortable. And so on.

If you don't care how the drums sound or whether the frequencies are uncomfortable on the ear when you listen to a rock record, or what the words are on a song are, then you're only processing and appreciating a fraction of the whole. Which is fine. But you might as well eat the whole sandwich, seeing as you ordered it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ToT-147 on August 04, 2018, 12:00:32 PM
If you don't care how the drums sound or whether the frequencies are uncomfortable on the ear when you listen to a rock record, or what the words are on a song are, then you're only processing and appreciating a fraction of the whole. Which is fine. But you might as well eat the whole sandwich, seeing as you ordered it.

*I* care, but I don't think the way a song it's mixed has that much importance to the product itself.. It's important? Yes.. But it's not that big a deal.. Music it's notes and how they are organized within a certain structure.. The drums (and bass, to an extent), to these ears of mine, are very necessary elements to the whole picture, but the main instruments are the rest.. And, in my case, there have never been a frequency or type of album sounding that I've disliked so much to concentrate on it rather than the melodies or chord progressions of a song, which are, for me, the 90% of any musical piece of art, which is very far from your 50-50..

Either way, I have nothing against those who think like you, and give the same relevance to the sound-itself than the music-itself.. What I find very unfortunate is that most discussions about the quality of an album or the reasons behind our opinions of them end up being about the sound/production and not about the music per se... which is very different..
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: dparrott on August 04, 2018, 01:37:33 PM
Well, I have had the opportunity to listen to most DT albums without any outside influence - only my own experience. And DT12 was very hard to get through because of its extremely loud master. The lacks of dynamics made listening to the album a very tiring experience, and it took me a lot longer to just... break through the loudness of it, and start digesting the actual music.

That's the first album where I actually had to turn down the treble while listening to it.  My treble is max for everything else and it's fine.


I'm intrigued by this. Why would your treble be at "maximum for everything else"? I don't think I could listen to anything I own, on any system I own, at maximum treble. It would, almost literally, be a painful experience.

It's a stock car stereo, so it's not very loud.  Usually bass is mid and treble is max, sounds fine to me.   Unless my hearing is so damaged that I can't hear highs well, which could be the case.  But with DT12 the highs sound louder than other albums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: YtseJamittaja on August 04, 2018, 02:37:14 PM
I'm gonna go with Rick Jacobi as the album cover artist.

Wait? Freddy is that you?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TH1RT3EN on August 06, 2018, 04:13:08 PM
I have been skeptical about that account for a white. The grammar indicates that the it’s not a native speaker writing. Words are often missing and the order is often wrong. Plus the account writes in a manner that is far from the personality we know of JM. I mean; “jmyungimages: Who anyone want to join my birthday wishes ? 😁
#dreamtheater #progrock #heavymetal #happybirthday #wish #progmetal #progbirthday”

So I sent JM a quick email: “Is this really your account?”

His response: “No, I don’t know who put this up.”

So that settles that.

That profile used to follow an Indonesian 9gag fake page, so that gave it away too. I just don't understand Give me one more chance why so many fake pages have been popping up from there lately.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on August 06, 2018, 05:15:14 PM
I have been skeptical about that account for a white. The grammar indicates that the it’s not a native speaker writing. Words are often missing and the order is often wrong. Plus the account writes in a manner that is far from the personality we know of JM. I mean; “jmyungimages: Who anyone want to join my birthday wishes ? 😁
#dreamtheater #progrock #heavymetal #happybirthday #wish #progmetal #progbirthday”

So I sent JM a quick email: “Is this really your account?”

His response: “No, I don’t know who put this up.”

So that settles that.

Good to know.  But his Twitter account is ABSOLUTELY real.  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16833.0
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on August 06, 2018, 08:16:32 PM
I have been skeptical about that account for a white. The grammar indicates that the it’s not a native speaker writing. Words are often missing and the order is often wrong. Plus the account writes in a manner that is far from the personality we know of JM. I mean; “jmyungimages: Who anyone want to join my birthday wishes ? 😁
#dreamtheater #progrock #heavymetal #happybirthday #wish #progmetal #progbirthday”

So I sent JM a quick email: “Is this really your account?”

His response: “No, I don’t know who put this up.”

So that settles that.

Good to know.  But his Twitter account is ABSOLUTELY real.  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16833.0

 :rollin
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on August 07, 2018, 03:14:01 AM
I have been skeptical about that account for a white. The grammar indicates that the it’s not a native speaker writing. Words are often missing and the order is often wrong. Plus the account writes in a manner that is far from the personality we know of JM. I mean; “jmyungimages: Who anyone want to join my birthday wishes ? 😁
#dreamtheater #progrock #heavymetal #happybirthday #wish #progmetal #progbirthday”

So I sent JM a quick email: “Is this really your account?”

His response: “No, I don’t know who put this up.”

So that settles that.

Good to know.  But his Twitter account is ABSOLUTELY real.  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=16833.0
lolz good times in that thread.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on August 09, 2018, 12:11:40 PM
My spoiled self needs more video updates from JP.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 09, 2018, 12:19:06 PM
My spoiled self needs more video updates from JP.

He is at his guitar universe camp thing this week. So I'm guessing they are all taking a break for the week.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on August 09, 2018, 12:23:40 PM
My spoiled self needs more video updates from JP.

He is at his guitar universe camp thing this week. So I'm guessing they are all taking a break for the week.

Yea, there's plenty of media from the guitar camp, but can only be at one place at a time.  I'm sure we'll get more updates in the next week or so.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on August 09, 2018, 12:34:58 PM
Oh, I had forgotten about the camp. I was beginning to believe that he was having issues in the studio. Silly me. Haha.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 09, 2018, 06:58:29 PM
I’m assuming JP finished tracking his rhythms before the camp, judging by the recent Instagram pic of JM? Probably gonna start him up on Monday maybe?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: nattmorker on August 09, 2018, 08:04:51 PM
I’m assuming JP finished tracking his rhythms before the camp, judging by the recent Instagram pic of JM? Probably gonna start him up on Monday maybe?

The DT instagram account tagged the @jmyungimages account in that post, again :huh:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Sebastián Pratesi on August 09, 2018, 08:38:51 PM
The DT instagram account tagged the @jmyungimages account in that post, again :huh:
I'm starting to believe it has to do with the "Treasue hunt". No idea what for, though.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on August 09, 2018, 08:41:11 PM
I’m assuming JP finished tracking his rhythms before the camp, judging by the recent Instagram pic of JM? Probably gonna start him up on Monday maybe?

The DT instagram account tagged the @jmyungimages account in that post, again :huh:

My bet is that whoever manages DT's social media isn't aware that it isn't JM's account and just tags it without thinking too much about it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on August 11, 2018, 10:17:24 PM
DT just posted a pic on Instagram of James in the studio with the caption “The calm before the storm”. Does this mean they’re going to track vocals already? I always thought vocals were the last thing to be recorded for a song/album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: SeRoX on August 12, 2018, 06:06:55 AM
DT just posted a pic on Instagram of James in the studio with the caption “The calm before the storm”. Does this mean they’re going to track vocals already? I always thought vocals were the last thing to be recorded for a song/album.

No, they are covering Anathema's song. :neverusethis:  :biggrin:

I is excited.  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Evermind on August 12, 2018, 06:40:33 AM
DT just posted a pic on Instagram of James in the studio with the caption “The calm before the storm”. Does this mean they’re going to track vocals already? I always thought vocals were the last thing to be recorded for a song/album.

No, they are covering Anathema's song. :neverusethis:  :biggrin:

I is excited.  :metal

Anathema's song title is the other way around. Gotta be Judas Priest cover.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Dream Team on August 13, 2018, 06:46:25 PM
I’m assuming JP finished tracking his rhythms before the camp, judging by the recent Instagram pic of JM? Probably gonna start him up on Monday maybe?

Still don’t like the idea of tracking guitar before bass. JM should just be concentrating on locking in with Mangini. Sure hope he’s not mostly just playing the root notes of JP’s parts.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 13, 2018, 08:14:59 PM
I’m assuming JP finished tracking his rhythms before the camp, judging by the recent Instagram pic of JM? Probably gonna start him up on Monday maybe?

Still don’t like the idea of tracking guitar before bass. JM should just be concentrating on locking in with Mangini. Sure hope he’s not mostly just playing the root notes of JP’s parts.

Guitar is usually tracked before bass because it’s a lead instrument.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on August 14, 2018, 12:23:23 AM
I’m assuming JP finished tracking his rhythms before the camp, judging by the recent Instagram pic of JM? Probably gonna start him up on Monday maybe?

Still don’t like the idea of tracking guitar before bass. JM should just be concentrating on locking in with Mangini. Sure hope he’s not mostly just playing the root notes of JP’s parts.

But the bass should really support the riffs. It should not call attention to itself.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: MirrorMask on August 14, 2018, 04:15:17 AM
Anyway, since they're at this stage of the tracking.... do you realize that, even though not completely finished, basically DT14 already "exists"? For all of us The Astonishing is DT's last album but the new album is already there. Sure, it's not all recorded but the songs are there, the lyrics most likely are all done. They know the style, they have all the titles, it's quite probable that they already have an album title and maybe they already have an idea for the cover, which may even be already commissioned to an artist. If there's a single, they must have figured out which is the song to go with. Maybe Petrucci is already thinking ahead about which songs to play live.

The new album is already a certainty for the guys, autumn will be a long period of waiting until we'll all know the details as well  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Trav86 on August 14, 2018, 06:17:30 AM
I would guess the lyrics aren’t all complete. Which means they don’t have titles. From what I’ve seen in past albums, they were still using working titles when recording.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TheOutlawXanadu on August 14, 2018, 07:20:02 AM
Anyway, since they're at this stage of the tracking.... do you realize that, even though not completely finished, basically DT14 already "exists"? For all of us The Astonishing is DT's last album but the new album is already there. Sure, it's not all recorded but the songs are there, the lyrics most likely are all done. They know the style, they have all the titles, it's quite probable that they already have an album title and maybe they already have an idea for the cover, which may even be already commissioned to an artist. If there's a single, they must have figured out which is the song to go with. Maybe Petrucci is already thinking ahead about which songs to play live.

The new album is already a certainty for the guys, autumn will be a long period of waiting until we'll all know the details as well  :metal

Yes, always a bit strange when you realize that a potential thing is now a real thing. Even stranger when you consider that we will probably hear a song in the next few months!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Mark Levinson Jr. on August 14, 2018, 08:09:54 AM
Anyway, since they're at this stage of the tracking.... do you realize that, even though not completely finished, basically DT14 already "exists"? For all of us The Astonishing is DT's last album but the new album is already there. Sure, it's not all recorded but the songs are there, the lyrics most likely are all done. They know the style, they have all the titles, it's quite probable that they already have an album title and maybe they already have an idea for the cover, which may even be already commissioned to an artist. If there's a single, they must have figured out which is the song to go with. Maybe Petrucci is already thinking ahead about which songs to play live.

The new album is already a certainty for the guys, autumn will be a long period of waiting until we'll all know the details as well  :metal

Yes, always a bit strange when you realize that a potential thing is now a real thing. Even stranger when you consider that we will probably hear a song in the next few months!

They'll probably take a long break for Christmas / New Years. The question is will we get a track before that happens.... or in January?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on August 14, 2018, 08:16:24 AM
Anyway, since they're at this stage of the tracking.... do you realize that, even though not completely finished, basically DT14 already "exists"? For all of us The Astonishing is DT's last album but the new album is already there. Sure, it's not all recorded but the songs are there, the lyrics most likely are all done. They know the style, they have all the titles, it's quite probable that they already have an album title and maybe they already have an idea for the cover, which may even be already commissioned to an artist. If there's a single, they must have figured out which is the song to go with. Maybe Petrucci is already thinking ahead about which songs to play live.

The new album is already a certainty for the guys, autumn will be a long period of waiting until we'll all know the details as well  :metal

Yes, always a bit strange when you realize that a potential thing is now a real thing. Even stranger when you consider that we will probably hear a song in the next few months!

They'll probably take a long break for Christmas / New Years. The question is will we get a track before that happens.... or in January?

The album will probably be released in late January/early February, so it makes sense to expect a new song to be releases this year, something similar to the release of TGOM from TA in late November (IIRC) :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 14, 2018, 08:34:14 AM
I’m assuming JP finished tracking his rhythms before the camp, judging by the recent Instagram pic of JM? Probably gonna start him up on Monday maybe?

Still don’t like the idea of tracking guitar before bass. JM should just be concentrating on locking in with Mangini. Sure hope he’s not mostly just playing the root notes of JP’s parts.

Most metal/hard rock bands track guitar before bass, unless they are cutting drums and bass together. It's really not a big deal, if JMX is really worried about locking in with MM and not hearing as much of JP, they could simply turn the guitar tracks down while JMX is tracking so he just hears primarily drums.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on August 14, 2018, 12:00:08 PM
Where does JR fit in the equation? The last to record after James? Before James?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 14, 2018, 12:11:50 PM
Where does JR fit in the equation? The last to record after James? Before James?

To the best of my knowledge, DT typically records in this order - drums, guitars, bass, keys, vocals - and overdubs for solos get tracked at various points throughout that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on August 14, 2018, 12:13:15 PM
I’m assuming JP finished tracking his rhythms before the camp, judging by the recent Instagram pic of JM? Probably gonna start him up on Monday maybe?

Still don’t like the idea of tracking guitar before bass. JM should just be concentrating on locking in with Mangini. Sure hope he’s not mostly just playing the root notes of JP’s parts.

But the bass should really support the riffs. It should not call attention to itself.

The bass "should not call attention to itself"?!  LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

JM "should just be concentrating on locking in with Mangini"?!

Isn't it awfully presumptuous to be suggesting what a guy who's been a successful recording artist for nearly 30 years "should be" concentrating on while recording?  Don't you suppose he knows what he "should be" concentrating on?  And, even if he wants to "concentrat[e] on locking in with Mangini," what difference does it make if the guitars have already been recorded?  You understand that, if he wants, he can have the guitar completely omitted from what he's listening to while he's recording, right?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ToT-147 on August 14, 2018, 01:21:15 PM
^^^^^ +1


EDIT: ok, that didn't work as I expected... :\
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on August 14, 2018, 01:55:59 PM
Where does JR fit in the equation? The last to record after James? Before James?

JR was in Europe playing a show not too long ago, so he should be back at the studio soon to record, I guess.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on August 14, 2018, 03:43:55 PM
JP was tracking acoustic guitars last night, according to DT's intagram.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on August 14, 2018, 05:20:44 PM
Or they could just all go in the studio at the same time and record the songs playing as a full band.

:oldfogey:

Isn't there an old fogey smiley? What's the code for it??

:TAC:

Dammit, it's not TAC.

Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on August 14, 2018, 05:42:37 PM
Close.

:tick:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: dparrott on August 14, 2018, 11:57:46 PM

But the bass should really support the riffs. It should not call attention to itself.

Not according to Les Claypool!  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: lucasembarbosa on August 21, 2018, 11:50:01 AM
:bump:

Any news? It's been a while since the last update...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on August 21, 2018, 11:53:03 AM
:bump:

Any news? It's been a while since the last update...

I was thinking the same thing. We haven't got anything new since JP's guitar camp started.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 21, 2018, 01:20:03 PM
Well, this clip has been posted today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hedp8dVSWd4 (although IMHO I find this completely unnecessary, as well as it not pertaining to DT14 at all)
And then there is this post by Petruccinator: https://www.instagram.com/p/BmeETIwBnWr/?taken-by=johnpetrucciofficial and this one here by James https://www.instagram.com/p/Bmk3_RfFcch/?taken-by=jameslabrie.dt  (which were then reposted on DT's Instagram page, but that all happened last week.) These three are the most current bits of information I could find just now. Sorry.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: lucasembarbosa on August 21, 2018, 01:27:36 PM
Well, this clip has been posted today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hedp8dVSWd4 (although IMHO I find this completely unnecessary, as well as it not pertaining to DT14 at all)
And then there is this post by Petruccinator: https://www.instagram.com/p/BmeETIwBnWr/?taken-by=johnpetrucciofficial and this one here by James https://www.instagram.com/p/Bmk3_RfFcch/?taken-by=jameslabrie.dt  (which were then reposted on DT's Instagram page, but that all happened last week.) These three are the most current bits of information I could find just now. Sorry.

James' pic is the latest one... Is he already preparing to record vocals? Or maybe arranging lyrics? ???
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 21, 2018, 01:28:38 PM
Well, this clip has been posted today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hedp8dVSWd4 (although IMHO I find this completely unnecessary, as well as it not pertaining to DT14 at all)
And then there is this post by Petruccinator: https://www.instagram.com/p/BmeETIwBnWr/?taken-by=johnpetrucciofficial and this one here by James https://www.instagram.com/p/Bmk3_RfFcch/?taken-by=jameslabrie.dt  (which were then reposted on DT's Instagram page, but that all happened last week.) These three are the most current bits of information I could find just now. Sorry.

Acoustic guitars!  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 21, 2018, 01:33:18 PM
Well, this clip has been posted today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hedp8dVSWd4 (although IMHO I find this completely unnecessary, as well as it not pertaining to DT14 at all)
And then there is this post by Petruccinator: https://www.instagram.com/p/BmeETIwBnWr/?taken-by=johnpetrucciofficial and this one here by James https://www.instagram.com/p/Bmk3_RfFcch/?taken-by=jameslabrie.dt  (which were then reposted on DT's Instagram page, but that all happened last week.) These three are the most current bits of information I could find just now. Sorry.

James' pic is the latest one... Is he already preparing to record vocals? Or maybe arranging lyrics? ???
That is something I couldn't extrapolate, otherwise I would have added it in already. Sorry.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on August 21, 2018, 02:34:06 PM
Yeah, I'm so impatient when it comes to this sort of things. I'm going crazy with the lack of substantial updates xD
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 21, 2018, 02:36:18 PM
For me, the excitement will kick in once we know the album title and before the first full piece will be released. I was excited about the little bits that were teased though to be honest.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on August 21, 2018, 02:39:10 PM
For me, the excitement will kick in once we know the album title and before the first full piece will be released. I was excited about the little bits that were teased though to be honest.

Oh, definitely. Seeing the album title + artwork and tracklist is always my favorite moment :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 21, 2018, 02:48:06 PM
The artwork definitely has to do with all that as well yes. (and I like all the artwork so far)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: geeeemo on August 21, 2018, 03:24:41 PM
The artwork definitely has to do with all that as well yes. (and I like all the artwork so far)

Have I missed something, is there artwork??   :o
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 21, 2018, 03:25:53 PM
No not yet. (I was just referring to the fact that the artwork is part of the excitement factor that tends to build every time there is a new DT album)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Pax on August 22, 2018, 02:00:43 PM
For me, the excitement will kick in once we know the album title and before the first full piece will be released. I was excited about the little bits that were teased though to be honest.

Oh, definitely. Seeing the album title + artwork and tracklist is always my favorite moment :)

My fav moment is finding out the lengths of each track. Last album was so proggy we had to assemble track lengths ourselves
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ToT-147 on August 22, 2018, 10:50:38 PM
My favorite moment is listening to the music.. :neverusethis:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: PetFish on August 22, 2018, 11:37:20 PM
My favorite moment is listening to the music.. :neverusethis:

Winner.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: liran95 on August 23, 2018, 03:06:02 AM
My favorite moment is listening to the music.. :neverusethis:

I mean, yeah, music matters too I guess
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on August 23, 2018, 10:20:40 AM
JLB is beginning to lay down the vocals  :yarr
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 23, 2018, 10:27:22 AM
He seems excited about it too and that's good because IMHO he is important for DT and when he uses his strengths, I'm sure it will work for us and for them.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: lucasembarbosa on August 23, 2018, 11:29:04 AM
JLB is beginning to lay down the vocals  :yarr

YEAAAAH, nice!

https://mobile.twitter.com/jameslabrie/status/1032663633195556865

What's the common flow in their recording process? Vox and keys afterwards or the opposite? If the vocals are the last thing to do before mixing, we surely can hope for a single in the next two months  :corn
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on August 23, 2018, 12:08:37 PM
Yeah, we haven't heard anything yet about JR recording. Doesn't JP also record solos last or not necessarily?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on August 23, 2018, 12:20:11 PM
Generally speaking, a band would record drums first, then bass, then guitars, then keys and vocals last. Apparently, DT hasn't always followed that order, though  ???
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on August 23, 2018, 12:21:53 PM
I don't remember for sure, but I think they typically record solos last after vocals.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 23, 2018, 02:42:26 PM
That would make sense
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TH1RT3EN on August 23, 2018, 03:58:07 PM
According to JP's latest Instagram post, bass tracks are done!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on August 23, 2018, 04:23:17 PM
I was about to say "no shiii" to DT's post because we know that James already started recording, but their recording order seems to be random this time, so oh well ;p

Also, JMX is smiling! :D

And... well... someone photoshoped a beard on his face. I love the Internet sometimes.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on August 23, 2018, 04:25:15 PM
Is it random?  If I'm not mistaken, they did drums, then guitars, then keyboards, then bass, then vocals, and then will go back and do solos and add other layers and textures as needed.  I'm pretty sure that is similar to what they usually do.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on August 23, 2018, 04:29:04 PM
Eh, I don't know anymore. I haven't read anything about the keys, so I thought it was random. My mistake, I guess? xD
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: lucasembarbosa on August 23, 2018, 04:39:12 PM
Geez... They posted a video update as well. Lyrics are mostly done. With contributions of JP, 2 of JM, more than one from JLB and one from MM. AWESOME
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on August 23, 2018, 04:42:32 PM
Geez... They posted a video update as well. Lyrics are mostly done. With contributions of JP, 2 of JM, more than one from JLB and one from MM. AWESOME

Finally a new video. Great news too about the lyrics! I am even more excited now for this album.

Quoting JP: "Guitars are done, except for 3 solos, I think" No mention of keys either.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on August 23, 2018, 04:48:36 PM
I'll be interested in hearing MM's lyrics, since I have never heard any from him before.  I generally like JM's style, even if I don't care for some of the lyrics themselves.  Cool that they are spreading it around so much this time.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on August 23, 2018, 04:52:36 PM
Yeah, I'm usually not someone who cares too much about the deep meaning or the right meaning of the lyrics, but I do like how his lyrics sound, especially in Breaking All Illusions, which is my favorite MM era song.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 23, 2018, 04:54:46 PM
Wow, more than one from both JLB and JM on the same album....that's a record if I'm not mistaken....
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: bosk1 on August 23, 2018, 05:10:17 PM
that's a record if I'm not mistaken....

Nope.  As far as I know, it'll only be CD or digital.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on August 23, 2018, 05:12:56 PM
Geez... They posted a video update as well. Lyrics are mostly done. With contributions of JP, 2 of JM, more than one from JLB and one from MM. AWESOME

I heard the first single is called My Body Is Not Well.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 23, 2018, 05:23:11 PM
All right, I feel like DT has definitely been listening.  I've wanted more than one from James for a long damn time.  One doesn't cut it especially when he only gets the ballad which seems to happen too often.  I was happy with the requisite one from JM but I am more than happy with two. 

And MM?!  I love it.  I bet MM is right where he has been clamoring to be in regards to his position in the band. Taking part in the writing INCLUDING lyrics. 

And hey, let's not forget JP almost always has badass lyrics sooooooo.....

HURRY UP AND RELEASE THE DAMN ALBUM....please.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on August 23, 2018, 05:43:20 PM
So drums, bass and guitars (almost) are done, James is currently recording, and I assume Jordan will start inmediately after. And we’re going to get lyrics by everyone except Jordan, this is definitely going to be a special album  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Dream Team on August 23, 2018, 06:14:34 PM
MM is very articulate like everyone in DT so I’m confident his will be good. Very happy he’s getting a chance to contribute, such a cool and just awesome, nice guy.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pg1067 on August 23, 2018, 06:20:38 PM
So drums, bass and guitars (almost) are done, James is currently recording, and I assume Jordan will start inmediately after. And we’re going to get lyrics by everyone except Jordan, this is definitely going to be a special album  :hefdaddy

It's a moment in DT history!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: PetFish on August 23, 2018, 06:39:23 PM
Since they never/almost never play anything that James has written lyrics for can we chalk those two tracks up as write-offs now and get it over with?

I'm kidding, sort of, I hope they play the new tracks and even try and re-visit the old ones but there's no denying his lyrical contributions are mostly abandoned:

Take The Time (Not sure about this one, I thought everyone except James did a verse)
Caught In A Web (co-JP)
Anna Lee*
One Last Time
Blind Faith*
Disappear
Vacant
Sacrificed Sons
Awakening (Octavarium, but makes no sense to play just this part)
Prophets of War*
Far From Heaven

* These are the ones I'd love to see/hear live.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Renzo on August 23, 2018, 11:55:41 PM
Hell yes! Lyrics from JM, JLB and especially MM, this is gonna be' a great record, can't wait for it.  :metal
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RoeDent on August 24, 2018, 12:25:59 AM
Hyyyyype! :caffeine:

I can't believe how excited I got when I saw this update. Butterflies in the stomach. Which is a fantastic feeling and a great sign that DT are still immensely important to me.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Polarbear on August 24, 2018, 01:53:05 AM
So drums, bass and guitars (almost) are done, James is currently recording, and I assume Jordan will start inmediately after. And we’re going to get lyrics by everyone except Jordan, this is definitely going to be a special album  :hefdaddy

A special album indeed! I'm glad JP has stepped back a bit, and allowed the other guys to contribute much more this time around. The sense of teamwork is very much apparent from these updates.

Now, I just want to hear the single!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: The Silent Cody on August 24, 2018, 02:12:07 AM
So drums, bass and guitars (almost) are done, James is currently recording, and I assume Jordan will start inmediately after. And we’re going to get lyrics by everyone except Jordan, this is definitely going to be a special album  :hefdaddy

A special album indeed! I'm glad JP has stepped back a bit, and allowed the other guys to contribute much more this time around. (...)
He's taking care of other Guys stomach in a free time instaed of writing ;) haha ;) Just joking, great news for me ! Lyrics from JM, from MM are even much greater mews :) can't wait!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 24, 2018, 02:16:08 AM
Very exciting. Do we know if James is recording vocals in the same studio? I think the vocals for TA were done in Canada if I'm not mistaken.

I like the idea of them all recording in the same place, to keep the same vibe going.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 24, 2018, 02:26:35 AM
According to this Instagram post (this one here, in case you missed it) https://www.instagram.com/p/BmW_2Ninzg0/?taken-by=dtimages I would say he definitely is in the same studio as everyone else
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on August 24, 2018, 04:18:32 AM
So drums, bass and guitars (almost) are done, James is currently recording, and I assume Jordan will start inmediately after. And we’re going to get lyrics by everyone except Jordan, this is definitely going to be a special album  :hefdaddy

A special album indeed! I'm glad JP has stepped back a bit, and allowed the other guys to contribute much more this time around. (...)
He's taking care of other Guys stomach in a free time instaed of writing ;) haha ;) Just joking, great news for me ! Lyrics from JM, from MM are even much greater mews :) can't wait!

Wait, they also have cats in the studio with them?!? It's even more exciting!!! :biggrin: Joking aside, I'm very pumped for the album, all this has got me excited.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Logain Ablar on August 24, 2018, 05:20:03 AM
According to this Instagram post (this one here, in case you missed it) https://www.instagram.com/p/BmW_2Ninzg0/?taken-by=dtimages I would say he definitely is in the same studio as everyone else

Yes, you're right - cheers!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 24, 2018, 05:43:33 AM
And I also think (like the vast majority on here) that DT14 is very likely to be a cracker of an album given all the developments and circumstances.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Peter Mc on August 24, 2018, 06:01:24 AM
Pluses and minuses for me, I love JM songs but generally find most JLB penned tunes to be a bit lacking both lyrically and melodically.  I have an open mind of course and hope he comes up with some awesome stuff but his track record is not great imo.  MM is a total wildcard, have no idea what to expect.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: devieira73 on August 24, 2018, 06:56:29 AM
Geez... They posted a video update as well. Lyrics are mostly done. With contributions of JP, 2 of JM, more than one from JLB and one from MM. AWESOME
WOW and JP announced it like it isn't a big deal... :lol Really looking foward for this lyrical diversity in the new album, very cool!
Since JP is the primary lyricist in the band, it seems that the album will have at least 8 songs: JP (3 or more), JM (2), JLB (2) and MM (1).
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: nikatapi on August 24, 2018, 07:54:06 AM
Given how TA was mostly a JP/JR thing, i have high hopes for the new album.
I really like that they've given MM space to write some lyrics. Very interested to see what he came up with, he is a very interesting person when you get to talk with him.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 24, 2018, 08:49:38 AM
Pluses and minuses for me, I love JM songs but generally find most JLB penned tunes to be a bit lacking both lyrically and melodically.
I respectfully disagree wholeheartedly. JLB penned songs are incredible.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: geeeemo on August 24, 2018, 09:03:06 AM
Pluses and minuses for me, I love JM songs but generally find most JLB penned tunes to be a bit lacking both lyrically and melodically.
I respectfully disagree wholeheartedly. JLB penned songs are incredible.

Yep, love them all! Sacrificed Sons - one of the first hooks that got me into DT  :yarr
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 24, 2018, 09:07:52 AM
Good update, I'm definitely interested to hear the lyrical diversity.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Peter Mc on August 24, 2018, 09:34:13 AM
Just seen the video, not sure he actually says more than one from JLB, just says James has finished his lyrics doesn’t he? Sounds like JM is only one who hasn’t finished anyway which fits with reports from years ago which indicated his lyrics always took some work to fit into a song based format. It’s worth the effort though if we get another Learning To Live, Breaking All Illusions or Trial Of Tears.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Orbert on August 24, 2018, 09:41:34 AM
I was looking at my iPod the other day, trying to decide which Dream Theater album to play, and was blown away.  The self-titled was from 2013.  (I put year of release first in the title, so albums are ordered chronologically.)  It's been five years since the last DT album!  Holy crap.  Has it really been that long?

No, it hasn't.  I never put The Astonishing on my iPod because I knew I'd never listen to it.  But the fact remains that I completely forgot about that album's existence.  This is a long-winded way of saying that The Astonishing is to me quite literally a forgettable album.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the new one.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Zydar on August 24, 2018, 09:42:37 AM
Agree, Orbert.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 24, 2018, 09:51:25 AM
I was looking at my iPod the other day, trying to decide which Dream Theater album to play, and was blown away.  The self-titled was from 2013.  (I put year of release first in the title, so albums are ordered chronologically.)  It's been five years since the last DT album!  Holy crap.  Has it really been that long?

No, it hasn't.  I never put The Astonishing on my iPod because I knew I'd never listen to it.  But the fact remains that I completely forgot about that album's existence.  This is a long-winded way of saying that The Astonishing is to me quite literally a forgettable album.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the new one.

That's a shame, it's got a lot of good stuff on it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Orbert on August 24, 2018, 10:42:29 AM
It is a shame, and I agree that it's got a lot of good stuff on it.

But for me, there's far too little good stuff, and far too much "down time" between the truly memorable segments.  I know that The Astonishing is a different type of album.  I'm an old-school proghead and have several other concept albums in my collection, including a really great one by Dream Theater from 1999.  But The Astonishing just doesn't grab me.  The concept alone is not enough; the music also has to be consistently good or at least interesting to keep my attention, that's where The Astonishing falters.  I'm not going to sit through 15-20 minutes of meh to get to a really cool section, then repeat until the album is finished, and I'm not a pick-and-choose kinda guy.  I listen to albums at a time, so the album overall has to be consistently good or interesting.  For me, The Astonishing is neither of those things.  I don't mind hitting the Skip button once, maybe twice during an 80-minute CD, but skipping 80% of an album to listen to the 20% I actually care to listen to is dumb.

For that reason, I really do look forward to this next album and hopefully a return to form, or perhaps even a new and improved Dream Theater.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on August 24, 2018, 10:52:14 AM
It is a shame, and I agree that it's got a lot of good stuff on it.

But for me, there's far too little good stuff, and far too much "down time" between the truly memorable segments.  I know that The Astonishing is a different type of album.  I'm an old-school proghead and have several other concept albums in my collection, including a really great one by Dream Theater from 1999.  But The Astonishing just doesn't grab me.  The concept alone is not enough; the music also has to be consistently good or at least interesting to keep my attention, that's where The Astonishing falters.  I'm not going to sit through 15-20 minutes of meh to get to a really cool section, then repeat until the album is finished, and I'm not a pick-and-choose kinda guy.  I listen to albums at a time, so the album overall has to be consistently good or interesting.  For me, The Astonishing is neither of those things.  I don't mind hitting the Skip button once, maybe twice during an 80-minute CD, but skipping 80% of an album to listen to the 20% I actually care to listen to is dumb.

For that reason, I really do look forward to this next album and hopefully a return to form, or perhaps even a new and improved Dream Theater.

I guess that's where the people who enjoy the album vs not differ.  I think the "downtime" thing has been a big criticism of the album, but I just don't see it.  I feel like maybe I can agree there are spots of a minute here and there of downtime and I can see a the NOMAC tracks adding to that as well, but really I think the album is solid track after track, but it just feels like downtime because a lot of the songs start off softly.  If you just click track after track you can see how someone would find the album as soft and down, like the track run from The Hovering Sojourn through The X Aspect, just listen to the beginning of each track and you might feel this is super soft and boring, but damn there is a lot of great music in those tracks.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Orbert on August 24, 2018, 11:06:06 AM
Dream Theater is one of the few bands for whom I have the entire catalog on physical media, special or deluxe editions when they were available.  I'm not as "hot" on them as I was at one time, but they're still one of my favorite bands.  I picked up The Astonishing on release date and immediately put it into the CD player of my car, where it stayed for a week or so.  I listened to it end-to-end multiple times, which of course is the only way to really check out an album, especially a concept album.  I just found myself getting bored, over and over again.  I get that some songs start quietly and build up, or that there are contrasting heavy and lighter sections, or any of those things which provide variety and keep interest up over the course of two hours or so.

When that wasn't working, I went old school; I sat with the lyrics, read up on the story online, got to know the characters and try to "feel" how the narrative played out, all those good things.  I gained a greater appreciation for the effort JP and JR put into it, as I expected I would, but overall it's the music that carries the work, and most of it is just plain uninteresting to me.  It sounds great, it's well produced and well played; I just don't find it very interesting.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: cramx3 on August 24, 2018, 12:05:50 PM
Fair enough Orbert, I know you gave it a shot.  It's been clear it's not for everyone.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Another_Won on August 24, 2018, 01:08:48 PM
. ..  but skipping 80% of an album to listen to the 20%  . . .

Yes, it does sound like you gave it a good shot, Orbert.  I can respect your opinion and you make some good points.

For me it end up being the opposite that I can would only skip 20% of the album if I was only looking for the good stuff I liked.

I am super excited for this new one, can't hardly wait. :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: smegolas on August 24, 2018, 01:27:31 PM
It is a shame, and I agree that it's got a lot of good stuff on it.

But for me, there's far too little good stuff, and far too much "down time" between the truly memorable segments.  I know that The Astonishing is a different type of album.  I'm an old-school proghead and have several other concept albums in my collection, including a really great one by Dream Theater from 1999.  But The Astonishing just doesn't grab me.  The concept alone is not enough; the music also has to be consistently good or at least interesting to keep my attention, that's where The Astonishing falters.  I'm not going to sit through 15-20 minutes of meh to get to a really cool section, then repeat until the album is finished, and I'm not a pick-and-choose kinda guy.  I listen to albums at a time, so the album overall has to be consistently good or interesting.  For me, The Astonishing is neither of those things.  I don't mind hitting the Skip button once, maybe twice during an 80-minute CD, but skipping 80% of an album to listen to the 20% I actually care to listen to is dumb.

For that reason, I really do look forward to this next album and hopefully a return to form, or perhaps even a new and improved Dream Theater.

Amazing, every word of what you just said was wrong.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Adami on August 24, 2018, 01:37:05 PM
What? Every word he says was right. That's how he experiences the album.

Unless you're saying he truly loves the album, then maybe.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Orbert on August 24, 2018, 01:50:01 PM
Apparently, I'm wrong to agree with mikey that there's a lot of good stuff on the album and that that's a shame, I'm wrong in that I listened to the album and just couldn't get into it, and I'm wrong saying that I'm looking forward to the next album.

Holy shit!!  :omg:  I actually like an album I thought was boring all this time, and I'm not looking forward to the next album because it will probably be more like the Dream Theater I thought I loved (but must have been wrong about that, too)!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Adami on August 24, 2018, 01:52:06 PM
Apparently, I'm wrong to agree with mikey that there's a lot of good stuff on the album and that that's a shame, I'm wrong in that I listened to the album and just couldn't get into it, and I'm wrong saying that I'm looking forward to the next album.

Holy shit!!  :omg:  I actually like an album I thought was boring all this time, and I'm not looking forward to the next album because it will probably be more like the Dream Theater I thought I loved (but must have been wrong about that, too)!

Maybe....just maybe, he saw that you called yourself old and he wanted to compliment you but didn't want to be obvious about it so just contradicted the whole post?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 24, 2018, 01:56:49 PM

For that reason, I really do look forward to this next album and hopefully a return to form, or perhaps even a new and improved Dream Theater.

This part...of course it'll be a return to form. The Astonishing was a fun project. The only logical thing to do really is what exactly they are doing now. All together in one room, JP likely doesn't want to write lyrics this time as much. Letting the others write.

I'm really excited for this album and can't wait for that single to be released.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 24, 2018, 01:59:23 PM
Apparently, I'm wrong to agree with mikey that there's a lot of good stuff on the album and that that's a shame, I'm wrong in that I listened to the album and just couldn't get into it, and I'm wrong saying that I'm looking forward to the next album.

Holy shit!!  :omg:  I actually like an album I thought was boring all this time, and I'm not looking forward to the next album because it will probably be more like the Dream Theater I thought I loved (but must have been wrong about that, too)!

 :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: TAC on August 24, 2018, 02:12:30 PM
I think one way to deal with the down time is to make an abridged version. I love the entire thing, but honestly, I could cut out half and enjoy it even more. My 15 song abridged version is as good as anything, IMO. ;D
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on August 24, 2018, 02:30:27 PM
Just seen the video, not sure he actually says more than one from JLB, just says James has finished his lyrics doesn’t he? Sounds like JM is only one who hasn’t finished anyway which fits with reports from years ago which indicated his lyrics always took some work to fit into a song based format. It’s worth the effort though if we get another Learning To Live, Breaking All Illusions or Trial Of Tears.

James said way earlier that he was working on lyrics for a couple songs.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 24, 2018, 02:38:19 PM
Yes, see here: https://twitter.com/jameslabrie/status/1012813144140365824
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: evilasiojr on August 24, 2018, 02:52:10 PM
Yes, see here: https://twitter.com/jameslabrie/status/1012813144140365824

Seeing that tweet again makes me think that they were up to the lyrics after a month in studio already, which is nice!! And it also reminded me of that "Hidden by Design" thing, which may be in the album somehow (the title maybe?). That was something that came up no DT's Facebook page and it's reoccurring on the Treasure Hunt. Maybe it's nothing, but it sounds like a cool concept.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 24, 2018, 02:55:57 PM
Might be the album title but it's certainly not the master puzzle code. We'll see how it plays out.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on August 24, 2018, 03:00:54 PM
My bet is that it could be part of the concept Mangini brought it, that was later developed into the song with his lyrics. Sounds like a title or section of a big epic song, or even the album title.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on August 24, 2018, 04:55:45 PM
JP on Instagram: Guitar tracking is done!!
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Orbert on August 24, 2018, 05:13:57 PM
I think one way to deal with the down time is to make an abridged version. I love the entire thing, but honestly, I could cut out half and enjoy it even more. My 15 song abridged version is as good as anything, IMO. ;D

I thought about that at one point, just putting the songs I really like onto the iPod, so I can play them and enjoy them.  But that would mean I'd have to invest another three or four hours, minimum.  2.5 to listen to it all again, then at least another hour or so playing certain tracks again, deciding which ones to keep, etc.  In the end, I just blew it off, partly because of the time/effort involved, and partly because I knew that even then, I still probably wouldn't listen to it.  When I feel like listening to Dream Theater, I have several albums to choose from that I already know I'll enjoy more.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on August 25, 2018, 02:13:30 AM
Why has this thread turned into a "Why I don't like The Astonishing"?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 25, 2018, 02:16:54 AM
I think it's a common occurence that threads can take detours and tangents. I observed that lots of times when reading along. It's the DTF way. Back on topic: Did Jordan already record his parts?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on August 25, 2018, 02:20:48 AM
I think it's a common occurence that threads can take detours and tangents. I observed that lots of times when reading along. It's the DTF way. Back on topic: Did Jordan already record his parts?

Yeah, Yeah, I know, I've been on the forum for 10+ years, but it's a thread about the new album. If people want to tell to what extent they don't like TA, they can go to the dedicated thread. Just my 2 cents.

Back to topic, don't know for the keys, but guitar tracking is done :

@JPetrucci 10 h
Guitar tracking is done!!

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Orbert on August 25, 2018, 07:53:23 AM
My anticipation for the next album is increased by my disappointment in the last one.  I found it interesting that I'd literally forgotten about it and shared a few sentences.  It wasn't meant to be a detour, but these things happen.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: KevShmev on August 25, 2018, 07:56:59 AM
Even though I still like The Astonishing a ton, if someone doesn't like it, doesn't bother me. 

Orbert, your posts are always interesting and well-articulated, so post away. :tup :tup
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Another_Won on August 25, 2018, 08:00:41 AM
When we get an update on the new album I don't know if I should get excited or scour it because it might contain a clue.

 :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Anxiety35 on August 25, 2018, 10:40:22 AM
Guitars are done. JP posts it on instagram and MP trolls.  :facepalm:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm4OQooBTsR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=11zdfisvzwdwr (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm4OQooBTsR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=11zdfisvzwdwr)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 25, 2018, 10:45:22 AM
Was to be expected, wasn't it. And yes, that would be a  :facepalm: from me too. A big one.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Ben_Jamin on August 25, 2018, 10:47:43 AM
Guitars are done. JP posts it on instagram and MP trolls.  :facepalm:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm4OQooBTsR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=11zdfisvzwdwr (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm4OQooBTsR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=11zdfisvzwdwr)

I find that funny. Cause MP also takes a jab at himself.

Also they're good friends so I don't see nothing wrong with it.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on August 25, 2018, 10:48:11 AM
Guitars are done. JP posts it on instagram and MP trolls.  :facepalm:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm4OQooBTsR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=11zdfisvzwdwr (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm4OQooBTsR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=11zdfisvzwdwr)

I can't decide if that's funny or sad.
Anyway, can't wait for the next update and to know how James is doing in the studio. :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Dream Team on August 25, 2018, 10:53:34 AM
I assumed they followed their normal practice of not demoing the tracks?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 25, 2018, 11:02:34 AM
Guitars are done. JP posts it on instagram and MP trolls.  :facepalm:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm4OQooBTsR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=11zdfisvzwdwr (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm4OQooBTsR/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=11zdfisvzwdwr)

I find that funny. Cause MP also takes a jab at himself.

Also they're good friends so I don't see nothing wrong with it.
Can't find the comment. Anyone care to say what it is/was?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 25, 2018, 11:07:21 AM
 "Back to DT!!!! Oh wait.... 😄" that's what it was
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on August 25, 2018, 12:49:57 PM
Yeah, I managed to see it. Mixed feelings. I get MP's posture on posting a ""friendly"" comment, but it's just nuts the way some people reacted in JP's post.

"Yeah...MP...the band is not the same without you"
"DT lost its soul with you!"

That cannot be healthy in any way to JP or MP, I think. Oh well, I guess he knows his social media.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 25, 2018, 12:58:47 PM
"Yeah...MP...the band is not the same without you"
"DT lost its soul with you!"

No kidding. Just think of all the lost opportunities he had to use those six fills he's been using for the past 15 years.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Trav86 on August 25, 2018, 01:04:29 PM
"Yeah...MP...the band is not the same without you"
"DT lost its soul with you!"

No kidding. Just think of all the lost opportunities he had to use those six fills he's been using for the past 15 years.  :biggrin:

Harsh. But true.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ToT-147 on August 25, 2018, 02:03:16 PM
Harsh and bs..

Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 25, 2018, 02:31:26 PM
Harsh and bs..

I mean....I get that can upset some folks but seriously......you have a guy who admittedly does not practice or make any effort to improve himself in his craft.......and you have a guy who continually practices to find new fills/sounds etc etc.

MP is an incredible drummer....there's no disputing it. He's unreal and I love to listen to the dude. But the evidence just doesn't lie....especially recent evidence.


(Safe and easy and sounding the same as every other fill or groove)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BmPqpwoAJXj/?taken-by=mikeportnoyinstagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/BmKNPcknEGc/?taken-by=mikeportnoyinstagram

VS:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHSzH7MoUSY


So....what I said may have been 'harsh' but it's by no means 'BS'. It's just the truth.

Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: DTA on August 25, 2018, 02:34:45 PM
"Yeah...MP...the band is not the same without you"
"DT lost its soul with you!"

No kidding. Just think of all the lost opportunities he had to use those six fills he's been using for the past 15 years.  :biggrin:

Harsh. But true.

Pretty much. MP is solid but he’s been stagnant and repetitive since Train of Thought. The fact that he just records the first thing that he comes up with shows that he’s just interested in getting the drums done rather than spending the time to create inventive drum parts. It’s nice that DT has a drummer that’s actually dedicated to creating great drum parts.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 25, 2018, 02:36:28 PM
I may have mentioned this before but: I absolutely lost it when I heard the first teaser of this album with Mike recording. Very Yes-esque on steroids. Really lovely.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ToT-147 on August 25, 2018, 02:49:57 PM
I mean....I get that can upset some folks but seriously......you have a guy who admittedly does not practice or make any effort to improve himself in his craft.......and you have a guy who continually practices to find new fills/sounds etc etc.

MP is an incredible drummer....there's no disputing it. He's unreal and I love to listen to the dude. But the evidence just doesn't lie....especially recent evidence.


(Safe and easy and sounding the same as every other fill or groove)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BmPqpwoAJXj/?taken-by=mikeportnoyinstagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/BmKNPcknEGc/?taken-by=mikeportnoyinstagram

VS:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHSzH7MoUSY


So....what I said may have been 'harsh' but it's by no means 'BS'. It's just the truth.



Evidence?.. I don't need more evidence than having listened to the DT albums you are referring to (from ToT until BC&SL).. It's childish and ridiculous saying that in all of those albums and the ones he has made through all these years until Psychotic Symphony have "six fills".. I mean, except you're really trying to judge a musician's skill watching instagram's videos (and apparently you are)..

Also, I don't know what Mangini has to do with "your" (it's actually very old and repetitive) opinion of MP doing the same fills over and over again.. I'm just happy I did listen to his drumming..

Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 25, 2018, 02:59:37 PM
you're really trying to judge a musician's skill watching instagram's videos (and apparently you are)..

Those were examples of very recent studio sessions of both drummers. One stands out as fresh....one stands out as the 'same ol' same ol''

Also, I don't know what Mangini has to do with "your" (it's actually very old and repetitive) opinion of MP doing the same fills over and over again.. I'm just happy I did listen to his drumming..

It's an 'old and repetitive' criticism of MP because it's an accurate one. Even the albums you mentioned do little to argue against that criticism.

Listen....like I said....I love to listen to MP drum. Similitude of a Dream was a freaking masterpiece IMO and MP's drumming was great in it. Neal does a fantastic job of writing and arranging that music to fit and suite MP's playing.

But you cannot have an honest listen to 'The Astonishing' and listen to the insane things Mangini does on that album then listen to SOAD and tell me that one drummer doesn't stand out against the other. It's less of a knock on MP than it is just an outright compliment to Mangini for always improving himself and keeping his 'chops' up to date and honed.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ToT-147 on August 25, 2018, 03:34:12 PM
Those were examples of very recent studio sessions of both drummers. One stands out as fresh....one stands out as the 'same ol' same ol''

Ok, so you are judging them by some short videos on social media..

It's an 'old and repetitive' criticism of MP because it's an accurate one. Even the albums you mentioned do little to argue against that criticism.

Listen....like I said....I love to listen to MP drum. Similitude of a Dream was a freaking masterpiece IMO and MP's drumming was great in it. Neal does a fantastic job of writing and arranging that music to fit and suite MP's playing.

But you cannot have an honest listen to 'The Astonishing' and listen to the insane things Mangini does on that album then listen to SOAD and tell me that one drummer doesn't stand out against the other. It's less of a knock on MP than it is just an outright compliment to Mangini for always improving himself and keeping his 'chops' up to date and honed.

Being old or repetitive doesn't make something accurate.. The albums I mentioned... have you even listened to any of them?.. Because even if you randomly choose a single song in any of those albums (well, except you choose a ballad) you'll be listening to 5 or 6 different (and unique) fills in that song along.. Does he repeat some fills?.. Yes, he does, as 95% of drummers do.. But -and this right here is what really bothers me- why being unnecessarily cruel to someone that's just playing some music for you to enjoy?.. Even more, when we're talking about a very talented musician with outstanding playing skills?.. I assume we are not discussing here nor having into account his persona.. If we're not, then Idk what else can be said about this..

Again, we weren't discussing MM, but since you keep bringing him up I'll say that while enjoy his playing, regarding "being fresh", he has it way more easier than Portnoy, since he has only played in 3 DT albums so far (which is the territory you should prefer we stay in, otherwise MP would "win" by miles regarding 'same ol' aspects)..

I mean, if we're comparing them to each other, shouldn't we be comparing the current Mangini with the FII's Portnoy?.. Now that would only be fair..
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pcs90 on August 25, 2018, 03:51:51 PM
I honestly don't see how anyone can tell me, in all sincerity, that MP's playing is not repetitive. Basing this on full albums and songs, not small clips, it is easy to hear that he plays the same few fills over and over again. Yes, he has different combinations, but the majority of his fills are based on some form of rlkkrlkkrlkk (he has even admitted this several times including on at least one of his instructional DVD's.) So there's no need to get offended over it, the man himself admits it and he's also on record as saying he doesn't really practice. His drumming vocabulary never expands. You don't even need to be a drummer or musician to notice it either.
Now, MP is very consistent, and he knows how to entertain a crowd. But if we are only talking about the notes that he plays and nothing else, he's in the stone age compared to many drummers playing today especially if we look at other genres as well. Some absolutely amazing talent out there...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ToT-147 on August 25, 2018, 04:33:38 PM
I'm not telling you nor anyone anything.. I'm just speaking myself; if you're stubborn enough to whether not get what I'm saying or not interested in trying to get it, then that's ok for me..

For you, he is only a "very consistent" drummer and a crowd entertainer guy, but not an amazingly talented guy.. Ok, that's fine.. Well, for me, the thing I admire more about him is precisely his amazing talent.. He's the first drummer I have listened to doing all those diverse and unpredictable but genius stuff with "mere" drums in any band at all... and now you're trying to convince me that he is repetitive?.. I don't care even if he himself has said that (which I doubt).. You don't realize I'm talking about a little of both respect to the musician and understanding of the relativity about this matter.. Meaning: of course if you compare Portnoy to some today's drummers these would be seen as more diverse or not repetitive than him.. But, then again, why comparing a 30+ career years drummer to one that's barely start playing or that has several years less than him with the drumsticks?.. But even if there are other drummers with more variety in their playing, I wouldn't care, because that doesn't take away what he's done (and particularly the inspiration he's given me and many other ppl)..

To put it in other words, you are confusing virtuosity with talent, and thus trying to use that as an argument to say how not talented he is, which is ridiculous in the case of someone just as virtuous as he is.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: RMGadelha on August 25, 2018, 04:47:51 PM
Boy, oh boy! What a thread derail.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Adami on August 25, 2018, 04:49:46 PM
Boy, oh boy! What a thread derail.

Eh, Gary has been deraling threads for a very long time, and he just keeps using the same few tactics. Everything is generally a variation of kick kick portnoy when he's down. Personally? I'm always entertained by how Gary derails threads, he's just an amazing showman about it. Dude has a lot of personality in his derailing. I know the forum has some new members that derail threads in much more....complicated ways, but I'm just not as into that.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Indiscipline on August 25, 2018, 04:56:13 PM
Adami, seriously


Do you believe in love at first post?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ToT-147 on August 25, 2018, 05:09:27 PM
Blame Portnoy for this "thread derail".. He is responsible..

Nah, we all know it was the MP haters again...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Peter Mc on August 25, 2018, 05:13:18 PM
They’re both amazing drummers, let’s just leave it at that. The fact is that the band we all love would not exist without Mike Portnoy’s efforts in those early years in particular so, despite the way he acts at times, he deserves a little more love on here.

That being said, I’ve enjoyed what Mangini has done so far and am very much looking forward to hearing what he does on the new record as he seems to have had a big input, even writing lyrics (which usually means vocal melodies as well) and they seem focused on getting a good drum sound this time around. Not that I’ve been too unhappy with his sound previously.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: KevShmev on August 25, 2018, 05:14:39 PM
Actually, his Instagram post in classic Portnoy.  DT has done a great job with getting fans excited for their next album with all of their social media updates, and with one sentence on JP's page, he diverted the attention from that to himself and to his comment.  And he has been around long enough to where he knew it would happen. I think he does this stuff on purpose. And then he can play the "I was just being funny, it's not my fault if fans started talking about it" card.  It's like cutting a huge chili-driven fart in the middle of a crowded room at a party and then saying, "It's not my fault people noticed the smell."
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 25, 2018, 05:27:57 PM
Oh that's it Adami  :curtains:


have you even listened to any of them?..

 :lol   I first heard DT in the summer of 1992 when PMU hit and quickly ran out and bought the cassette. My friends and I were utterly blown away, and I was IMMEDIATELY enthralled by MP. His playing is/was electric (I don't think I've ever said anything other than that on this forum) and I was transfixed by the odd time changes and the amount of notes he could hit. When I saw them the first time at the American Theater in St. Louis on
5/23/1993.....I couldn't take my eyes off of MP. Watching him drum then and even today is such an impressive feat. And, I've listened to EVERY one of MP's projects...all of them. I love to hear the guy play drums. And, that's also why I'm fairly confident in the accuracy of that comment.

I'm not saying he 'sucks' at playing drums. Show me where I've ever said that? My initial comment was in response to these comments that DarkLord posted from the MP fanboys out there digging at JP on JP's own Instagram feed:

"Yeah...MP...the band is not the same without you"
"DT lost its soul with you!"

My point in making the semi-teasing comment about the 'six fills' that MP has is that we 'really' (<<<That's sarcasm FYI) missed out on having (3) more albums of MP mailing it in with his same 'bag of tricks'. Doesn't mean MP's bag of tricks aren't filled with some incredible things....but they are the 'same ol same ol' But as I continued to mention.....that same ol same ol produced a pretty killer product in SOAD so whatever.

I brought up MM for two reasons: one, the comments trashing JP and DT seem to suggest that DT has sucked since MP left and that's not the case......and (B).....the juxtaposition between MP and MM is a fascinating one to me. On one hand you have a guy who is completely content and comfortable riding his natural talent off into the sunset with no qualms or concern about keeping it sharp or improving them at all and the other hand you have a guy who is constantly seeking and searching and practicing to get better and better.

Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on August 25, 2018, 05:43:55 PM
Why did MP have to post that?

As one of the more outsppken MM fanboys in this forum, I am really disappointed with MP's post. MM is finaly getting the opportunity to showcase what he could do with him fully integrated in the writing process. And then MP does a joke of him coming back, triggering again his legion of diehards clamoring for him to return.

I am not listening to an MP future project again. I like how he plays, but he asks too much for the spotlight even to the detriment of others. So I won't give him what he craves.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ToT-147 on August 25, 2018, 06:29:31 PM
@gmillerdrake Ok, yeah, I did get why you brought Mangini to the discussion, although I do not share the need to do it.. I mean, yeah, is very obvious that someone in a DT forum would always be comparing MP with MM if we start talking about the former... Now, why even bother to do that everytime, and even more in a new DT album thread?..

About my question, that was sarcasm fyi.. From your second post I assumed -and right- that you were at least an old DT fan and that until some point you liked Portnoy's style; Idk why exactly, maybe for the way you think or write?.. Also, I never said that you said "he 'sucks' at playing drums".. Show me where *I* have ever said that.. ;)

But anyways, I'll now ask you a real question: why are you throwing out all of this here, when judging by what you're saying you were responding to the instagram MP fanboys?.. No one here said what they said over there.. That's the (other) part I don't get..

Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on August 25, 2018, 06:51:54 PM
It's because you called his claim that MP has become repetitive as bullshit.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ToT-147 on August 25, 2018, 08:12:58 PM
Nope, that was after his comment, right?...
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on August 25, 2018, 09:45:56 PM
Yes, but are you asking him why he should respond to MP's comment on JP's instagram that derailed DT's so far positive buildup for their new album?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ToT-147 on August 25, 2018, 09:52:55 PM
Exactly..
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gzarruk on August 25, 2018, 10:42:59 PM
Blame Portnoy for this "thread derail".. He is responsible..

He’s responsible after all... when anyone, anywhere, reaches out for help. He wants his hand to be there.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: pcs90 on August 25, 2018, 10:45:36 PM
I'm not telling you nor anyone anything.. I'm just speaking myself; if you're stubborn enough to whether not get what I'm saying or not interested in trying to get it, then that's ok for me..
We don't have to agree. I just don't get how people don't hear what I and others are hearing. It's not subtle. His drumming is so easy to predict nowadays. Back in the 90s through SDOIT he seemed to put more thought into his parts, and after that album it seemed, to me, that he lost some of the "spark," you could say. I'm not basing my comments on him as a person, or his other endeavors in DT and elsewhere. It's all based on his playing.

I don't care even if he himself has said that (which I doubt)..
Liquid Drum Theater DVD...go watch it for yourself if you don't believe me...

But, then again, why comparing a 30+ career years drummer to one that's barely start playing or that has several years less than him with the drumsticks?..
I'm not comparing him to people who have "barely started playing..." I'm comparing him to drummers who I think are more creative, musical, and dynamic. No matter what I base this on, playing-wise, MP gets beat by a bunch of other drummers for me. Groove, chops, independence, control of dynamics, overall musicality, speed, whatever you want your criteria to be...MP is just nowhere near the top. But to go along with what you say, if I was comparing MP to people who have barely started playing, and those people are already ahead of his playing ability, then they'd clearly be more talented playing-wise. So either way that falls flat.

To put it in other words, you are confusing virtuosity with talent, and thus trying to use that as an argument to say how not talented he is, which is ridiculous in the case of someone just as virtuous as he is.
No, I'm looking at the whole picture as it relates to playing, as stated above. For example, some drummers out there have amazing speed, but when it's time for them to chill out and play a simple laid back groove, they can't...or it takes a lot of effort for them to make it feel good. I enjoy drummers who are diverse and unpredictable. I don't want to listen to a knew album and already have a basic idea of what MP's going to do before he even does it. That's what happened with SoA, for example. Where's the fun in that?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: gmillerdrake on August 25, 2018, 10:50:02 PM
But anyways, I'll now ask you a real question: why are you throwing out all of this here, when judging by what you're saying you were responding to the instagram MP fanboys?.. No one here said what they said over there.. That's the (other) part I don't get..

But it WAS mentioned......which prompted my dig at MP

Yeah, I managed to see it. Mixed feelings. I get MP's posture on posting a ""friendly"" comment, but it's just nuts the way some people reacted in JP's post.

"Yeah...MP...the band is not the same without you"
"DT lost its soul with you!"

That cannot be healthy in any way to JP or MP, I think. Oh well, I guess he knows his social media.



Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: NoseofNicko on August 25, 2018, 10:51:10 PM
Blame Portnoy for this "thread derail".. He is responsible..

He’s responsible after all... when anyone, anywhere, reaches out for help. He wants his hand to be there.

 :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: PetFish on August 25, 2018, 11:11:55 PM
Actually, his Instagram post in classic Portnoy.  DT has done a great job with getting fans excited for their next album with all of their social media updates, and with one sentence on JP's page, he diverted the attention from that to himself and to his comment.  And he has been around long enough to where he knew it would happen. I think he does this stuff on purpose. And then he can play the "I was just being funny, it's not my fault if fans started talking about it" card.  It's like cutting a huge chili-driven fart in the middle of a crowded room at a party and then saying, "It's not my fault people noticed the smell."

Yep.  Absolutely his standard m.o.  Sad.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: NoseofNicko on August 25, 2018, 11:25:48 PM
"Back to DT!!!! Oh wait.... 😄"

I guess I might be mentally disabled or something since I have no idea what that means.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Cool Chris on August 25, 2018, 11:32:27 PM
"Back to DT!!!! Oh wait.... 😄"

I guess I might be mentally disabled or something since I have no idea what that means.

I thought the same thing. I still don't get it. Then realized the bigger point people like KevShmev are making is that we have spent the last two pages of this thread talking about MP instead of DT's progress on their forthcoming album.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ToT-147 on August 25, 2018, 11:41:19 PM
@gzarruk Exactly.. :lol

@gmillerdrake Yes, it was mentioned here, but no one here said that, so what you did is poitnless... except your goal was to tease people on this thread who were only reading news and opinions about the new album.. See: one doesn't have to be a MP "fanboy", "troll" or whatever to don't agree with your mocking comments..

@pcs90 What I'm saying is that you don't understand my opinion; I'm not complaining about we don't agree because that's obvious and I really don't care for that.. Opinion would be: I don't find his drumming to be "predictable"; there are parts (mostly since 2008) when I feel that he might be doing something in a certain way and he kind of does it although a little different, but they're very insignificant if we're considering his playing as a whole; I agree that his techniques haven't evolve much in the past 10 years (I do find a lot of improvment and fresh/new stuff in ToT, 8V and SC)... but then again, I don't know any drummer that I like as I like MP's style that has evolve over the years either, so...

And did Portnoy said he became repetitive since ToT?.. Wow.. I don't own that DVD, but surely wouldn't watch it if I did only to be sure he said that.. Still, if I'd had the man himself telling me that in my face I'd keep thinking the same: his repetitiveness is only relative, and I do prefer his so predictable fills and whole drumming style over any other's virtuosist drummer out there (and I do know lots of them btw)... About younger drummers, what you're saying makes no sense at all; of course is easier for them to be better regarding variety, because they're just beginning their careers, so they have a world of combinations yet to make... MP and drummers of his age, simply don't, neither have they the obligation to do so..

I hope my posture is clear now.. Ok, moving on..
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Anguyen92 on August 25, 2018, 11:42:09 PM
I think, as a guy that doesn't know or care about MP's instagram post and want to see more DT's updates in this thread, I'm just going to say the following plain and simple.  WHY DOES THIS MATTER AT ALL?
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: ToT-147 on August 25, 2018, 11:51:16 PM
If you don't care, then simply don't read the discussion.. Also, as much as you want DT14-related updates, and I guess that we all here in this thread want that, if there aren't, then there aren't..

In case any of you missed it, this vid is the latest we got about the album: https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/532840363804427/
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: SystematicThought on August 25, 2018, 11:54:28 PM
I was really hoping for another snippet on the latest video. Oh well.. It was nice to see JM more animated and talkative...well, as talkative as he can get.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Sebastián Pratesi on August 26, 2018, 12:54:19 AM
I was really hoping for another snippet on the latest video. Oh well.. It was nice to see JM more animated and talkative...well, as talkative as he can get.
Indeed! I like it that JM is so happy with the album. :) And the multiple lyricists aspect.  :)

And this: https://www.facebook.com/jordanrudessofficial/videos/314881035952672. :)
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Madman Shepherd on August 26, 2018, 02:49:35 AM
"Back to DT!!!! Oh wait.... 😄"

I guess I might be mentally disabled or something since I have no idea what that means.

Same here.  Is he making a joke that he is rejoining the band?  Was he joking that was finishing guitars for something else and now needed to get back working on DT stuff? 

Whatever it was, it was a pretty awkward thing to do. 
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on August 26, 2018, 02:54:28 AM
"Back to DT!!!! Oh wait.... 😄"

I guess I might be mentally disabled or something since I have no idea what that means.

Same here.  Is he making a joke that he is rejoining the band?  Was he joking that was finishing guitars for something else and now needed to get back working on DT stuff? 

Whatever it was, it was a pretty awkward thing to do.

I think what he was getting at was that there shouldn’t (in his opinion) be a DT without him, but in reality there is.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on August 26, 2018, 03:26:43 AM
I was really hoping for another snippet on the latest video. Oh well.. It was nice to see JM more animated and talkative...well, as talkative as he can get.
Indeed! I like it that JM is so happy with the album. :) And the multiple lyricists aspect.  :)

And this: https://www.facebook.com/jordanrudessofficial/videos/314881035952672. :)

That video is fantastic! We all know by now JLB's and JM's capacities as lyricists but I'm very intrigued at what MM will bring to the table.

B.Lee
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Max Kuehnau on August 26, 2018, 03:37:51 AM
My guess would be that his lyrics will be intelligent (because he just is), about mathematics, logic or brains or something
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Bertielee on August 26, 2018, 03:40:21 AM
My guess would be that his lyrics will be intelligent (because he just is), about mathematics, logic or brains or something

I know you said that in jest, but I think the other way round. For me, it will be very emotional, that is being there where no one is expecting him.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: erwinrafael on August 26, 2018, 03:51:10 AM
"Back to DT!!!! Oh wait.... 😄"

I guess I might be mentally disabled or something since I have no idea what that means.

Same here.  Is he making a joke that he is rejoining the band?  Was he joking that was finishing guitars for something else and now needed to get back working on DT stuff? 

Whatever it was, it was a pretty awkward thing to do.

Whatever it was, it is the usual make this thing about me post. Everybody's getting excited about thr new album with contributions from all, especially MM, but no, he just had to make a post that would call attention to himself.

I think, as a guy that doesn't know or care about MP's instagram post and want to see more DT's updates in this thread, I'm just going to say the following plain and simple.  WHY DOES THIS MATTER AT ALL?

For me, it matters because MP posted not on his Instagram but on JP's Instagram where there is an album update. Why did he post that in the update of a band that already moved on from him?

I'm not telling you nor anyone anything.. I'm just speaking myself; if you're stubborn enough to whether not get what I'm saying or not interested in trying to get it, then that's ok for me..
We don't have to agree. I just don't get how people don't hear what I and others are hearing. It's not subtle. His drumming is so easy to predict nowadays. Back in the 90s through SDOIT he seemed to put more thought into his parts, and after that album it seemed, to me, that he lost some of the "spark," you could say. I'm not basing my comments on him as a person, or his other endeavors in DT and elsewhere. It's all based on his playing.

Based on how I hear and play it, his entire playing vocabulary is in Metropolis Pt. 1, The Mirror, Peruvian Skies, Trial of Tears, and The Glass Prison. Study all the techniques in those songs and you pretty much can feel the familiarity in the other songs. It's not bad, that is already an amazing drum vocabulary and there are so many variations MP did, but it is also true that the vocabulary never expanded much after SDOIT.
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: Mladen on August 26, 2018, 03:53:51 AM
If you don't care, then simply don't read the discussion.. Also, as much as you want DT14-related updates, and I guess that we all here in this thread want that, if there aren't, then there aren't..

In case any of you missed it, this vid is the latest we got about the album: https://www.facebook.com/dreamtheater/videos/532840363804427/
I saw this two days ago at work, cranked the volume all the way up and STILL had trouble hearing JM.  :lol
Title: Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
Post by: lucasembarbosa on August 26, 2018, 05:53:59 AM