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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: gmillerdrake on May 04, 2018, 07:47:45 AM
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Don't know if anyone has seen this yet, but I watched the first two episodes on YouTube last night and it's actually pretty cool. Looks like I'll have to get the free 30 day trial of YouTube Red to binge the rest because I really enjoyed the first two episodes.
https://youtu.be/xCwwxNbtK6Y
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Cobra Kai NEVER DIES!!! :metal :metal :metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZdZnB_2drc
But in all seriousness, that looks fucking incredible. I LOVE Karate kid and that Jaden smith shit can take a walk. Its always been Johnny vs Daniel son
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I've also watched the first two episodes, it's great! I will also take the 30 day trial to binge the rest of the season. Looks really promising!
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Yeah, I did the two free episodes last night as well. I was very happy. Its really cool and very surreal. Good stuff. Now I need to do the trial as well. I must see the rest.
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I cracked up when Johnny grabbed that kids inhaler....threw it across the room and told him he doesn't have asthma anymore :lol
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Signed up for the free trial. Six episodes in and this is a really good show. The Johnny character is freaking hilarious and it’s odd how I’ve found myself totally rooting for him and thinking Daniel is a complete dick.
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I love how it subverts the original relationship. Now Dan is the dick and johnny is the underdog in a way. I also got the free trial and am halfway done.
I absolutely love the show. Karate kid was one of my favorite movies growing up and I can't believe how well this show came out. Its super surreal, and was a roll of the dice. But they won big. Its great.
Just finished the whole series and I am speechless. That was really something special. A lot of really beautiful, touching stuff going on.
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Without spoiling.....is there potential for another season?
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hell yeah there is :metal
I seriously thought this would be one and done, but season 1 ends both in a satisfying manor and in a manor that could set up for a very solid season 2. So either way, its win win.
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Just finished it. Wow. Like you Phoenix I’m pleasantly surprised at how good this came off. Just really well done. I think they absolutely set up a season two. There’s plenty to build off of and explore.
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Just watched the trailer...I can't wait to check it out!! Looks like a Saturday binge.
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Just watched the trailer...I can't wait to check it out!! Looks like a Saturday binge.
It’s about 5 hours of content so easily doable.
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Yeah, I did in over two nightshifts at work. And the episodes are like 30 mins each, so its not bad at all.
I have to admit, I got kinda of teary eyed with the Miyagi flashbacks and then it would cut to Daniel now training his new student with the old music coming in :heart Really beautiful stuff.
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Yeah, I did in over two nightshifts at work. And the episodes are like 30 mins each, so its not bad at all.
I have to admit, I got kinda of teary eyed with the Miyagi flashbacks and then it would cut to Daniel now training his new student with the old music coming in :heart Really beautiful stuff.
There were several moments throughout that were 'teary eyed' moments. It was so unexpected. I know we've been saying it a lot in this thread but I was just caught off guard at how 'good' the series was. I'm not trying to make it out as the second coming of Breaking Bad or something like that....but I was really expecting something along the lines of a 'straight to DVD' type show....something way less involved and character driven. But this really nailed the story and it has some serious relationship/character driven themes. They just did a really good job with it. It could have been a disaster but I think they captured something good.
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So, after having had huge success, apparently a season 2 has been approved and its coming out 2019.
My body is ready
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So, after having had huge success, apparently a season 2 has been approved and its coming out 2019.
My body is ready
Saw that. It’s been getting rave reviews from everywhere. I hope season two can live up to season one
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Finished this Sunday, Loved it. I really think it was well done without being too hokie. If season 2 is not until 2019, I guess I'll cancel my 30 day free trial and try to get it back next year.
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I just finished this today, I am sold!
Can’t eait for season 2
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Season 2 is out....I jammed through the first six episodes last night. Still a really cool show....still digging it.
They bring back Johnny’s old Sensei Creese....so, there’s that element to deal with now. Pretty funny scene of Johnny ‘discovering’ the internet as well.
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Hell yeah :metal
I'll be watching season 2 today
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I'm now a YouTube TV subscriber, so we have access to their originals. I haven't really felt like getting into a series on Netflix over the last few months (preferring to go through the Marvel films, which I've never watched in order - aside from renting them when they would come out).
So I started Cobra Kai last night. I wasn't expecting it to be a comedy, but I'm really enjoying it after 4 episodes. I absolutely love Johnny (and his love of 80's metal is SO perfect for the character!), which is surprising, but I love how he becomes the good guy in this series. I really find myself not liking Daniel at all for becoming such a douche. That just amazes me that the show can make you flip allegiances 34 years later, after falling in love with Daniel in the original film.
Looking forward to finishing the first season and watching the second over the next week or so.
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Season 1 they hit out of the park
I still need to catch up on season 2 though
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Fun show....both seasons were pretty good. Can't wait for S3.
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Please god let terry Silver come back as a character at some point
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Please god let terry Silver come back as a character at some point
Honestly, I think they'd eventually get him back. What else is he doing these days? :lol Rumors are that with the way S2 ended...they've talked with Elizibeth Shue about her returning as Ali....and it seems highly likely.
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Just watched E1, please tell me this carries the hilarious nostalgia throughout....
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Ok, was able to plow through S1 today. The scene with Danny and Johnny rocking out to REO Speedwagon was the funniest shit I've seen in ages.
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I think it’s a really well done sequel series. It’s not just all call backs and goofy jokes.....it has some meat on the bones story wise and they do a good job of telling Johnnys side of the story.
Can’t wait for S3
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Agreed. It pays respect to the original films, all while forging forward and making something fresh and new.
I also can't wait for S3
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Wow, I really need season 3 NOW. I watched half of season 1 awhile back when it temporarily went free on YouTube. Then it went back to YouTube Red (pay only) when I was halfway through, so I never got to finish. Just finished season 2, and it was great. I mean, sometimes, it was really stupid. But for the most part, it was great. Can't wait for the next season.
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Yep agree. I really enjoyed Cobra Kai. Overall it was really well done, yes some cheesy moments but some pretty awesome ones too. Just has a really honest vibe and feels very authentic to the continuing lives of these characters 35 years later.
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I liked that there was a constant tension between Miyagi Do and Cobra Kai where the characters were oblivious to it, but we the audience could easily see that in so many areas, each side was completely in the right on some things and completely in the wrong on other things, and how they complemented each other. And, by extension, I think there was a strong inference that they could become SO much stronger if they could have reached a peace rather than being at war.
And I love that when there were temporary breakthroughs, it was always characters like Amanda LaRusso or Moon that were the cause.
And I love that with almost every character, whenever you see some significant character growth in someone, that same person then goes and does something that makes you want to scream "NO! NO! Don't do it!" at the screen, and it is usually completely believable that they would do it.
Speaking of charcters:
-Along the lines of what I posted again, I really like Robby. And whenever he did something that revealed his character flaws and weaknesses, they were totally consistent with who he is and where he's been, and it made me like him even more.
-I hated Demetri, but think he is becoming really likable. I wonder whether there is a showdown between him and Hawk in the future that will turn Hawk back around and make them friends again.
-Miguel has to be ok, right? RIGHT?
-Tommy...the irony of him being put in an ACTUAL body bag as his character's end made me audibly say, "whoa...that was a bold choice."
-Tory: Can't stand her. Nothing redeemable about her character. (which tells me she may be in for a redemption arc?
Maybe?) But...I saw on a cast list (not her official IMDB page, so it may be false) that her last name is...well, I'll let you look it up. But if true...WOW! And I think it could very well be true, and would be a good reason why I believe her last name has never been mentioned yet. If you know what I'm talking about, what do you think? Shameless throwback, or cool connection? I'll go with the latter.
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-Tory: Can't stand her. Nothing redeemable about her character. (which tells me she may be in for a redemption arc?
Maybe?) But...I saw on a cast list (not her official IMDB page, so it may be false) that her last name is...well, I'll let you look it up. But if true...WOW! And I think it could very well be true, and would be a good reason why I believe her last name has never been mentioned yet. If you know what I'm talking about, what do you think? Shameless throwback, or cool connection? I'll go with the latter.
Oh wow.....just looked that up. There's simply no way that's just a shameless throwback. The timing of bringing her into the fold would suggest there was some planning going on there and I'd be willing to be that it's 100% intentional to set up a future story arc. Now if only Elizibeth Shue would join the cast.....I know she is keen on the idea given a couple interviews I saw but there's nothing official.
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I know--wild, right? And, like you, I tend to think it is absolutely true and not an accident. Count me as shamelessly hyped.
EDIT: Really cool interview with William Zabka here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I213CnQXdoU Lots of good content without giving anything away (other than mentioning a season 2 villain reveal, for those who don't already know).
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there's an episode on season 2 where jhonny's checking facebook and gets to Ali's page. I looked for it on FB and there are actual posts of her talking about daniel and jhonny.
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I've just finished the first season. It's been pretty damn perfect in terms of what they could achieve, really enjoyed it.
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Never heard of this show before... loaded up Netflix and it was right there. On episode 3 and I am loving every second of this.
Edit: 8 episodes in one sitting. Awesome freaking show. Also I have a crush on Mary Mouser but that's cause she's just a bit younger than me :biggrin:
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Never heard of this show before... loaded up Netflix and it was right there. On episode 3 and I am loving every second of this.
Edit: 8 episodes in one sitting. Awesome freaking show. Also I have a crush on Mary Mouser but that's cause she's just a bit younger than me :biggrin:
You probably hadn't heard of it because it was only on YouTube Red for awhile, which I don't think was very successful at getting subscribers.
But, yeah, I really dug it too. A few episodes in, I wasn't sure. Still kind of felt like they were just going for the cheap nostalgia, and throwing in some cute role reversals to keep it interesting. But it quickly became so much more, and in really rewarding ways. Just a well-done show, especially for fans of the films.
The one knock I have on it is just the over-the-top portrayal of kids acting badly that has become such a trend in modern shows, whether it be this one, Stranger Things, or what have you. I get that they were trying to make an impact, and trying to appeal to certain people, but it is just a lazy thing to do, in my opinion, and completely unnecessary. It took away from what would otherwise be a nearly perfect show.
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Yeah I agree with you on that, bosk. That Kyler kid is so stereotypical teenage douchebag it's almost eyeroll worthy. But, at the same time, I like him getting his comeuppance.
I've never seen Karate Kid and didn't make the connection that this was about Karate Kid until like... 5 episodes in.
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I would recommend watching the first one, and then either watching the second one or at least finding the 5 minute opening sequence on YouTube. There are a TON of payoffs in the series for having that background. In fact, I would do that before going any further with the series. Seriously. Some moments will hit you a LOT harder, having that background, especially a few things you haven't seen yet. You need to do this NOW.
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I would recommend watching the first one, and then either watching the second one or at least finding the 5 minute opening sequence on YouTube. There are a TON of payoffs in the series for having that background. In fact, I would do that before going any further with the series. Seriously. Some moments will hit you a LOT harder, having that background, especially a few things you haven't seen yet.
I kind of like not having any preconceived notions about the characters though. I feel like, especially based on the flashbacks, I wouldn't be as sympathetic to Johnny if I watched the films before. I could wait until the series is totally over which would be even better but I'll definitely watch after season 2.
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I would recommend watching the first one, and then either watching the second one or at least finding the 5 minute opening sequence on YouTube. There are a TON of payoffs in the series for having that background. In fact, I would do that before going any further with the series. Seriously. Some moments will hit you a LOT harder, having that background, especially a few things you haven't seen yet.
I kind of like not having any preconceived notions about the characters though. I feel like, especially based on the flashbacks, I wouldn't be as sympathetic to Johnny if I watched the films before. I could wait until the series is totally over which would be even better but I'll definitely watch after season 2.
I get it. And I can see the value in that. But trying to objectively weigh it out, I honestly think there is a MUCH bigger impact seeing some of the stuff in the series WITH the knowledge from the movie than the payoff of not having preconceived notions. And I will also add that, while I get the appeal of not having preconceived notions, part of the genius of the series is that it subverts those preconceived notions, and in very clever and emotional ways (which is one of the reasons Billy Zabka said he was fully onboard after reading the script, after initially having some trepidation about doing a series like this). And, honestly, if you are this far in, those preconceived notions aren't going to change your viewing experience at this point. Honestly, I don't think it prejudices you against the characters at all, but it DOES add a lot more color and texture to their interactions.
I mean, I get what you are saying, and you can do what you want. But my honest assessment is that you will gain a LOT more than you lose by going back and viewing that first film and the opening to the second right now before going any farther into the series. I would argue that there are a couple of reveals in particular that are coming up that will fall completely flat if you don't have that background.
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Tell you what, I'll watch the films right now if you agree that the new Star Wars trilogy is hot trash. :biggrin:
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I agree that you are entitled to your opinion. :biggrin:
Again, I get what you are saying about the show. I'm just making the pitch for the films now as a friend who honestly thinks you will get MORE enjoyment out of the show by seeing the films now. But it's entirely up to you.
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:lol I am very weird and irrational in that I don't like stopping things to go watch other things in the middle of a story. So I'll watch, but yeah, I'm gonna wait til after season 2.
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Okay, so, finished season 2 last night.
I think I like season 1 more, overall. In 2 there are a lot of moments where the show feels like some prime time family show. The first season felt more engaging to me with Johnny struggling with his inner demons. The second season is like high school drama except with like no police officers or figures of authority anywhere. I kept watching that big school fight and almost wanted to laugh at how ridiculous it all was and how quickly it escalated. Also, Hawk is a 100% douche, and I don't like Kreese at all. And Daniel's really risking his marriage and gigantic auto dealership over a backyard dojo? :lol oh brother
Curious to see where it goes from here but season 1 was better. In season 2 I could almost see the structure of every episode and predict how everything would play out. That happened in 1, too, but not nearly as much. I guess just the premise of this militant karate fanaticism isn't entirely clicking with me in season 2. And Demetri is the absolute worst character ever.
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Okay, so, finished season 2 last night.
I think I like season 1 more, overall. In 2 there are a lot of moments where the show feels like some prime time family show. The first season felt more engaging to me with Johnny struggling with his inner demons. The second season is like high school drama except with like no police officers or figures of authority anywhere. I kept watching that big school fight and almost wanted to laugh at how ridiculous it all was and how quickly it escalated. Also, Hawk is a 100% douche, and I don't like Kreese at all. And Daniel's really risking his marriage and gigantic auto dealership over a backyard dojo? :lol oh brother
Curious to see where it goes from here but season 1 was better. In season 2 I could almost see the structure of every episode and predict how everything would play out. That happened in 1, too, but not nearly as much. I guess just the premise of this militant karate fanaticism isn't entirely clicking with me in season 2. And is the absolute worst character ever.
I really, really enjoyed the first season. I'm halfway though season 2 and I'm not liking it anywhere near as much - It's still prefectly watchable, but the shine has been tainted. Things feel more outlandish, the comedy isn't as good somehow.
But I think the biggest problem is the kids. Most of them had arcs in the first season and while not always the most nuanced, it gave them purpose and they felt like real people. In season 2 (at least 5 episodes in) none of the main kids have much of a story and their characters are more one dimentional. Hawk is now just a cliche badass, Robbie & Sam are just boring now, Migual is just moody & Demetri has gone full cliche nerd.
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I completely agree with all of that, soupy. It's been especially bad with Hawk. Very douchebag character now.
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My wife and I just started watching this. We are 5 episodes in, and really enjoying it thus far.
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The Cobra Kai Season 3 Trailer is out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcDQqGJG8pA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcDQqGJG8pA)
It looks phenomenal. I can't wait for this.
-Tof
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I’m wondering if this will be the final season?
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I may be misremembering, but I seem to recall them saying they had enough for another 2 seasons.
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I finished up S2 a few months ago. Good stuff, and I am in it till the end, but I have to say that the school fight in the last episode of S2 was one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen. And not in a good way. I still like the show a lot, but that left a huge brown stain.
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Anyone else watching S3 yet? I am about halfway through and it is still entertaining. Getting a bit more hokey, even by their already over the top hokey standards, and the constant brawls every time someone gives someone not on their side a funny look are getting pretty tiresome, but it's still a fun watch. However, it is reaching the point where almost no one is likable anymore.
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Finished season 3 over the weekend. Interesting.
It's been fun, but I hope that season 4 is it. Not sure where they could go after that.
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Finished season 3 over the weekend. Interesting.
It's been fun, but I hope that season 4 is it. Not sure where they could go after that.
I loved season 3, hopefully they can do a couple more and then put it to rest
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I want some Terry Silver next
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In the middle of it now. I loved the stuff in Okinawa. :tup
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I'll finish it tonight, and I've been so happy watching this season. The episode with Chozen and the Dee Snider concert has been my favorite so far.
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I guess I’ll be the first dissenting voice about S3. I LOVED S1 and S2.....but fir me S3 was extremely underwhelming. It was well short of the timely smart ass quips from Johnny that brought that humor to the show and the story was pretty bland and has been played out. If not for the over reliance on nostalgic fan service by bringing back several characters from the past the season would have been an outright dud. Daniels trip to Okinawa was the best episode of the season, had some legit ‘feels’ going on when the letter was being read.....but this season just wasn’t as captivating as the first two. It was a fun watch but for me it fell far short of the credit the first two seasons created.
With what they’ve set up for a S4 they’re clearly out of gas as far as a story and I’d lay even money I or anyone who has watched a lot of content of movies and shows can lay out the basic story they’ll tell in S4. I hate to not be on board with the love for S3....I dug the heck out of the first two seasons but this was pretty sub par IMO.
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So far, I don't love season 3. But it is a logical step from the plot of the first two seasons and dealing with the aftermath of all of that. The reality is just that it isn't as compelling a story as what they had going earlier, and that's okay. But the downside is that, since it is a TV series, they are trying to compensate for that in other ways that don't always work as well. But still, I am enjoying it, even if it isn't as good as its predecessors.
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So far, I don't love season 3. But it is a logical step from the plot of the first two seasons and dealing with the aftermath of all of that. The reality is just that it isn't as compelling a story as what they had going earlier, and that's okay. But the downside is that, since it is a TV series, they are trying to compensate for that in other ways that don't always work as well. But still, I am enjoying it, even if it isn't as good as its predecessors.
Yeah. I'm not trying to blast it as horrible. I've watched far worse.....I did 'enjoy' watching it and it wasn't all bad. But for me the flavor grew bland and it was just 'ok'. I read today that the creators say S4 will NOT be the last season and that they have enough story for a couple more with an end game in mind. I can't fully buy that because the story struggled in S3. They tried to spice it up with Creese's backstory which was ok but even that was pretty cliche' and unoriginal.
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They tried to spice it up with Creese's backstory which was ok but even that was pretty cliche' and unoriginal.
Yeah, that actually fell flat for me as well (at least, so far). It did its job in terms of making him a bit more human and making me slightly sympathize with why he thinks the way he does. But I also found myself not caring about the "why" of his mindset and his actions. I found myself saying, "OK, given all that, it makes sense why he thinks the way he thinks and does what he does. But I also don't care and don't excuse him even a little bit." And that coming from a military veteran, for what it's worth. Contrast that with Johnny's backstory, which I did find to be compelling, and which made me empathize with who he became and why.
On a different note, I like how the show constantly compares social values of the '80s with those of today. And sometimes, those comparisons make you feel like we have come so far in the way we think about certain things as a society, but other times, make you feel like we have gone the wrong direction in a lot of areas as well. I like that tension, and I think the show does it well. I also like that, in doing so, the show usually feels like it is very self aware, but toes the line where it makes the viewer a bit uncomfortable, like "I'm pretty sure what they are doing is intentional...but...I'm not entirely sure."
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Gary, even though I enjoyed S3, I mostly agree with you. The overreliance on fighting and too many fan service moments have diluted it. Still enjoying the heck out of it, but it's like watching a bad action movie that you still enjoy a lot. "It's so bad, it's good!"
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And sorry, but the revisionist history with Ali and Johnny is just way too far-fetched. They made it out like they were this teenage couple that was madly in love, but that wasn't the way it was presented in the original Karate Kid film. Ali being that happy to see Johnny again 30+ years later just wasn't believable...at all. Not after their falling out and the disgust she had back in the day after seeing how Johnny and his friends were treating Daniel.
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Not reading through the thread, just chiming in to say I started season 1 this week, half way through and I really enjoy it and can see why this show has got a lot of people talking positively about it. Looking forward to catching up completely in the next couple weeks (I'm trying not to just watch it so quickly even though I totally see how others have binged it so quickly).
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Season 3 is fantastic. I like it much more than Season 2, and as much as 1. They upped the comedy and heart from S2, and dropped the focus on teenage drama a bit. While the drama is still there, it's secondary to Johnny and Daniel. In fact, I like that the teenage conflicts are happening concurrent to the adult conflicts. It seems that the series has gone like this:
Season 1: Primary Plot about Johnny and Daniel conflicts, Secondary Plot about introducing new teenage characters - Comedic Tone
Season 2: Primary Plot about teenage conflicts, secondary plot about the teenagers' impact on Daniel & Johnny - Dramatic tone
Season 3: Primary plot back to Daniel & Johnny, secondary plot about teenagers - Comedic, Dramatic, Heartwarming Tone
Season 4: Judging from the end of Season 3, it looks like all of the plot points will come together and play out with more teen/adult story-lines intermingled. I hope they keep the tone on par with S3.
I love this show for what it is. I'm looking for comedy, nostalgia, heart and over-the-top action in this show. I think they've done an amazing job bringing this franchise back to life. Season 3 brought back the heart that was lacking in S1 & 2. You could argue the Miguel/Johnny relationship is wholesome-ish, but nothing compared to the Daniel/Miyagi relationship. They really hit a homerun with the Okinawa plot line in S3.
-Tof
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I do like they haven't really changed Johnny or Daniel too much. It would have been easy to go the easy route and try to turn Johnny into a full-fledged good guy, but they are doing a good job of showing that while is still kind of a prick at heart, he at least seems to know right from wrong and tries to do the right thing...sometimes. :lol And Daniel was always kind of a whiny brat who really wasn't that likeable, and without Mr. Miyagi around anymore to instantly make you root for him, it is easy to not fall into the default mode of always rooting for him.
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Holy shit that can't be right fact...
Thomas Ian Griffith who played Terry Silver in KK3 (and is heavely rumoured to return in CK4) is younger than Ralph Macchio!
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I finally got Netflix and binged this and I'm all caught up...
HOLY CRAP THIS IS AMAZING! I'm in disbelief at how good this is. Totally unexpected.
- It starts off how you'd think, with Daniel being successful and Johnny being not so much and how their arcs intertwine and flip as they deal with stuff as well as each other.
- The storyline of Robbie and Miguel and their relationships with Daniel and Johnny.
- When Robbie falls to the Dark Side, it makes way more sense than Anakin's turn and doesn't feel forced or rushed at all. It totally works.
- Kreese's backstory showing why he is the way he is.
- Johnny having things soooooooo close to being great in his life and then something ruining it at the last minute.
- All the returning characters and references to the past actually WORK and don't feel forced at all.
- Ally's return, even though small, had a major impact and wasn't just the standard cheesy fan service.
- The trip to Japan for a legitimate reason and not to just see old characters
- Chozen was awesome "NO WIFE. NO KID."
- Komiko is still gorgeous.
- There's no black/white characters (maybe one), they all have shades of gray and are dynamic. So great.
In a show full of awesome, Johnny is even more awesome. All of his character moments are gold. I love the way everything is either badass or pussy. The little montages of stuff like when he's doing an online dating profile or how he replaces the deck in his new car with a tape deck so he can play tapes. I especially love that he's so bad at technology:
- "Facebook is on my phone. I chucked it."
- "It's on your laptop, too."
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- "This laptop battery died, your stuff is garbage."
- "Did you plug it in?"
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- "Add one of those 'hashbrown' things onto it." (hashtag)
I was worried at first that they waited too long, Machio is friggin' SIXTY YEARS OLD. I like how they don't waste screen time actually showing how they're learning to kick and punch and be badass and focus more on story.
I was also worried at how they can do karate brawls and bullying and anti-snowflake dialog and situations in the snowflake world we live in these days, but that also works.
If you haven't heard of The Critical Drinker on Youtube, I highly recommend you check out his stuff. His movie and TV commentaries are spot-on. It sounds like rage at first but then you realize the guy really knows what he's talking about. His early accent is lame, but then he goes over-the-top with the drunk accent and it works so much better.
He did a "Drinker Recommends" on Cobra Kai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEDwYbnqSiA (only first 2 seasons)
I have a feeling Season 4 might be it. After Season 3 we can kind of guess how 4 will end, and then I can't really see where they can go after that.
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I forgot to mention how awesome the music is. So many 80s tracks.
Playing "In The Air Tonight" at the end of 3.10 was so perfect, especially the line "I've been waiting for this moment for all my life" and how perfect it was giving what was happening on-screen. Goosebumps, man.
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Yeah. On so many levels, I feel like they did such a great job connecting with the Karate Kid universe in all the right ways. I remember hearing an interview with Zabka where he was saying that there had been so many pitches through the years for more film and TV sequels that were all over the place in terms of quality, but Cobra Kai was the first where he felt that the writers really "got" the characters and were taking them someplace compelling and interesting. I tend to agree that that is what this series does. Yeah, there might be moments or particular story arcs that may not work all that well. But overall, they really stick the landing in so many areas.
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I've slept on this show awhile, but sometime in the last year, someone compared it to Psych (and the fact both Macchio and Zabka both guest starred on Psych). And then with the passing of Ed Asner last month, I finally checked it out.
Finished the 1st season a bit ago..love a lot about it. The Dichotomy between previously hating and now liking Johnny is an interesting twist. Kind of Joss Whedon like.
2 more seasons to go leading up to Season 4 in December I guess.
Also I was reading and watching some stuff about Ralph Macchio last night and while I knew he looked young for his age, I had no clue he was nearly 60, lol.
He was a few years older than Zabka and Elisabeth Shue which I would have guessed the opposite.
Also the girl who plays Macchio's daughter, Mary Mouser, is now 25, lol. Like Macchio, she's playing a character close to 10 years younger than she is (although that's not as uncommon at that age..Keiko Agena in Gilmore Girls, Gabrielle Carteris in 90210).
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Season 4 in just a few weeks.
new extensive trailer
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CXRJ3jwtQYz/
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:caffeine:
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Season 4 in just a few weeks.
new extensive trailer
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CXRJ3jwtQYz/
:metal
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How in an age where you have the MCU and Star Wars dropping quality TV shows, Star Trek back on the small screen, huge fantasy novels being adapted for TV and the final Season of The Expanse......this is my show I'm most hyped for?
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Terrry silver was always my favorite Karate Kid character
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And he is bringing back the ponytail. :lol :lol :lol
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Can't wait to start watching season 4!!!
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Aaaaaaaaaaand watching...
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Finished it up. Fun season……fun show. I still think the first two seasons were the ‘best’ and they won’t be able to recapture that but it’s been a fun watch. I don’t recall how many seasons they signed on for……I know there’s a 5th for sure but man……even this season was a bit of a struggle to keep the story going.
They did add some cool elements for S5 in the last 15 minutes of the final episode. I’ll watch until they cancel the show so we can just see how long the train goes.
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Just finished Season 4. it was good, although I agree with many that the show is not as engaging or crazy as it was in the 1st 2 seasons.
I did like some of the 80's pop-culture references.
Terry Silver's character is super dark.
It's hard to believe he makes Kreese seem soft.
Season 5 has some potential; I still wonder if somehow they will get Hilary Swank to reprise her character of Julie, but am not sure if they'll have her related to Tory or not.
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It's a fun show and I had a good time with S4 but I also feel like certain things are being stretched out for the sake of keeping the show going. It feels at least for a couple of seasons now they've teased Johnny and Daniel finally putting their rivalry down and bonding and being truly on the same side yet every couple episodes they have to disagree on something and go their different ways yet a few episodes later they circle back to "we need to work together". I know stubbornness is a part of both their characters but I'm just hoping to see a little bit more growth where we go beyond that. Would actually really like it if the show ends in a place where they have each other's backs and there's no bickering every episode about "my way and your way".
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Finished as well. It's hella stupid, it's corny as fuck, and has the air of a lame 80s sit com. All that said, I enjoyed every second, and anxiously await S5.
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Finished as well. It's hella stupid, it's corny as fuck, and has the air of a lame 80s sit com. All that said, I enjoyed every second, and anxiously await S5.
:lol Exactly!
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This show is absolutely perfect. Loved season 4!
"Actually, that was Exodus' "Bonded by Blood," but it's not your fault...you don't know the genre." :lol :metal
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I do like the setup for S5 though.
SPOILERS AHEAD
I like that finally we can get Johnny and Robbie working on their Father/Son relationship. Enough of the immature approach from Robbie and Johnnie not being shut out from him. Hopefully they take the time those two need for a reconciliation.
Like that Tori saw Silver paying off the ref. That’ll inevitably lead to a crisis of conscience and her ultimately doing the right thing.
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I think one of the things the show does well is portraying the characters as more than stereotypes, "this bad guy is bad" and so on. In this season they even managed to bring humanity to Tory and Kreese, characters that before this had felt mostly like your typical evil characters. I kinda like the start to the season how our supposed good guys of Myiagi-Do and Eagle Fang are the instigators of the drama and the Cobra Kai take the approach of "we'll settle it at the tournament". I also kinda like how they portrayed Miguel this season because it felt like a reflection of some of the fan response to the show. He just seemed kinda done with karate, like he's still in it because Johnny is a father figure to him and his friends and girlfriend are in it, but his focus is kinda elsewhere, like "there's more to life than Karate". Also like what they did with Terry Silver, I like the quote he said initially kinda mocking what a cartoon character he was in KK3 "I was just a lunatic high on cocaine harassing a kid" but his character really evolves interestingly over the course of the show.
Still hope that the show starts giving us some pay offs to those relationships we want mended. I really want Johnny and Daniel to be friends and not at each other's throat every 2 episodes about some disagreement. Even in the original KK movie, when Daniel lands the kick and wins the tournament, Johnny's behavior completely changes and he gives Daniel the trophy and says "You're alright LaRusso, you deserved this" and even though I get that resentment has festered in the 30 years since then, I still want to see them finally understand each other and not bicker over every small thing they disagree on. I also liked the arc of Robbie this season so I hope his relationship with Johnny can also be fixed.
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Finished up the new season last night.
Not sure I liked how it ended.
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Loved season 4!
I rewatched the show before starting season 4 and I'm not sure about season 1 & 2 being on a higher level, season 2 in my opinion is the weakest one as that is the one where (in particular the first half of the season) they focused more on the kids drama over Daniel and Johnny.
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Finished up the new season last night.
Not sure I liked how it ended.
My issue with the ending was how they telegraphed S5...I mean, leave something to the imagination, right? Although having her see the judge being paid off was a great tease.
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I like how it ended in two respects:
1. Each thread was left in a place that actually makes sense and, although not resolved, felt satisfying. And what I do like is how the show repeatedly redeems characters that seem to get to a place where they seem perhaps irredeemable, and that redemption is...complicated, and the characters often take subsequent steps backward before moving forward again.
2. Switch 625 is awesome. :metal
Also, I just have to comment on the fact that, throughout the entire series going back to season 1, whenever something truly good happens, Amanda LaRusso is quite often at the center of it.
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I think I'm just sick of Daniel overall. He's a giant twatwaffle.
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Love this show but sometimes it really tests my suspension of disbelief. Stingray... REALLY? All the underage drinking, assault of neighbor, lying to police, allowing false attempted murder charges to be placed? Come on. Just had to roll my eyes at that. :lol
I loved Johnny this season. Daniel was annoying me by the end. I HATE his son, but I couldn't agree more about Daniel harping on and on about Mr. Miyagi, it began to annoy me this season.
Loved what they did with Tory and especially Hawk this season. And I identified so f'ing hard with Kenny, right up through his confidence shift where he became a concern of Robby's.
Terry sucks and I hate him :lol and I didn't like the unnecessary dramatic fakeout with Miguel. That pulled muscle thing didn't need to be there for what they were going for imo.
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Stingray is the worst character easily. That's a joke that's funny for a one time scene but every time he reappears and every scene he is in is painful to watch. :'(
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agreed. Stingray, the novelty has worn off.
The guy should be cast in a remake of Old School or something, or play like a protege to Jack Black's (Tyler Labine, Dan Fogler, Dustin YBarra).
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I can't help thinking Stingray was just a plot device, just for one episode. I'm willing to bet most of the audience were happy to see Terry kicking the crap outta him, and I think the writers new this too.
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I loved S4. Terry Silver, man. Yes. What I'd like to see in Season 5 (spoilers form Season 4):
1. Chozen becomes the new Miyagi - He is the same age and experience as Mr. Miyagi was. This show could use a bit of Okinawan Karate spirit. Daniel comes off as a guy who read a book about it and less of a practitioner of it. I agree with the other comments on Daniel being just the worst. I wish his arc showed more growth, but he's more of an adult version of himself before meeting Mr. Miyagi. Chozen's presence will hopefully bring balance to offset the insanity of the constant fighting.
2. Mike Barnes - bring this guy back. The actor is good and he can easily be fleshed out the way that Terry Silver was. He was so one dimensional in KK3, they can really get creative here.
3. More focus on Johnny - My favorite aspects of this show center around Johnny. Let's go for a 65% Johnny & 35% everybody else in S5.
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3. More focus on Johnny - My favorite aspects of this show center around Johnny. Let's go for a 65% Johnny & 35% everybody else in S5.
Agree with this. The formula for S1 was this and it worked great. While I get they're trying to build these other characters.....this show was originally about what happened to Johnny and what he was up to. Over the seasons they've gotten a little heavy with Daniel....which...if he weren't such a douche nozzle would be ok I guess.....but, he's a character that needs to be seen less, not more.
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2. Mike Barnes - bring this guy back. The actor is good and he can easily be fleshed out the way that Terry Silver was. He was so one dimensional in KK3, they can really get creative here.
I think he'll turn up as Tory's Dad.
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I definitely would like more Johnny. He was the whole reason I liked the show in the first place. Seeing a frustrated man fighting against his long held grudges and prejudices and being unhappy with where he's at in life was compelling. He's still got those things but I think he's shown growth, certainly more than Daniel has imo. Plus his relationships with Miguel and Robby are some of the best in the show.
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As long as there is less Daniel, I almost don't care what they do.
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The writers have definitely lost the plot with this show, but it's still entertaining enough to keep watching. The constant face and heel turns by many of the kids makes me think these writers think this is a wrestling program. There are not many likable people on the show that you really want to root for. We are obviously supposed to root against Kreese and Silver, but Daniel and Johnny are both so unlikeable that it is hard to get on board with either of those idiots.
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There are not many likable people on the show that you really want to root for.
I completely disagree with this.
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I thought season 4 was better than season 3 and overall the show is still really good.
I will agree with some others here in that Daniel is not a very likeable character. His son is even more unlikeable. They have some very odd family dynamics there.
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Yeah I thought Johnny was a more likeable character in the story line, but his acting is better too.
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I finally was able to finish this season while somehow avoiding spoilers.
I'll try and condense all my thoughts into one brief statement:
I really hated the tournament announcer.
- It was weird not seeing Miguel win and not only that but it was an injury that mostly did it but I also knew that his heart wasn't in it.
- Also, not having Robbie win either was weird. That guy looked so badass this whole season. Must be the haircut but his whole demeanor and body language was just "I own you" and I believed it.
- Sam sucks. She was pushing Tory every chance and she didn't need to.
- At least Tory seemed to be trying.
- Terry Silver is way scarier than Kreese.
- Larusso is a terrible teacher. If you win but not "the right way" then he gives you shit for it.
- Johnny is still awesome but he's also "my way or the highway".
- It's not until the kids start learning both styles that they show the senseis it's being versatile and adaptive is the way to truly evolve.
- "Hi, I'm blah blah and my pronouns are she/her." "There's no pronouns here but sensei and student." Gold.
- Framing Kreese was a nice twist, but I'm sad that Stingray lied about it. Did Silver pay him off also? I can't remember but I know he was struggling.
I knew that Cobra Kai was going to win, it had to, but when it actually happened I was like "nooooooooooooo" and how are they going to make this work? And then the reveal of Tory finding out Silver bribed the judge I was like "yeeeesssssssss" now Tory and Sam can be BFFs with Robbie going against his little protege who's turning into a real dick.
Anyway, a series that's way better than anyone would think, so it's good times.
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Even though he's over the top I have always loved Terry Silver, and he really delivered for season 4. But that could just be my bias talking.
Karate Kid 1 & 2 nail the serious tone and I love them, but I'm always entertained by part 3.
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Ugh, Part 3, I thought we were never going to talk about Part 3.
Part 1 - Goes on a real journey and learns a lot about karate and himself. Wins karate tournament.
Part 2 - Goes on a real journey to a foreign land and learns more about karate and himself and Mr. Miyagi's culture and history. Stands up to bullies. Wins karate death match with guy who really wants to kill him. "This not tournament. This for real."
Part 3 - Goes on no journey and decides to rollback his life to when he was a weak-ass pussy. Gets bullied by thugs and and cries and whines and is a total wimp. Wins something but nobody cares.
I just don't get how he can be leveling up through karate, tournaments, and fighting for his life and then all of a sudden he's getting roughed-up by bullies and is helpless and weak. He should have been confident and skilled enough to destroy these losers but instead he's a sniveling little shit. It makes no sense that all he's been through and he's back to square one.
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Came here directly after the Ukraine thread and thought we were still talking about Trump and Carlin for a second.
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Season 5 September 9th
https://twitter.com/MartinKove/status/1522433980976361472
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bump.
Season 5 trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbQmcnvmnUE
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:D
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CiNskdrJ1vj/
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Just a reminder that the new season is out. :)
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Binged the whole season in one night. By far the best season so far. The action gets a bit over the top, but given that’s it’s a sequel to an 80’s movie series I can forgive it. I think the next season has to be the final one. And they did an excellent job of setting up the next season.
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My wife and I caught the first two episodes of the new season yesterday, and we both had the same reaction.
Not sure if the nostalgia factor blinded us to it before, or what, but this show is way too cheesy to have this many bad actors in it.
We aren't sure if we will even finish the season.
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Not sure if the nostalgia factor blinded us to it before, or what, but this show is way too cheesy to have this many bad actors in it.
We aren't sure if we will even finish the season.
I'll finish the season but I'm right there with ya. I enjoyed the heck out of the show in the early goings.......last season I started rolling my eyes a bit at how campy it was and just how 'bad' these actors are......I'm 4 episodes in to this season and it's pretty brutal. Nostalgia can't even save it. I'll hammer out the Season because it's an easy watch but man, what once was a fun show has now become pretty laughable and not in a good way.
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Love the show. Two episodes in and I'm enjoying this season so far - but I've gotta admit the writing on the Mexico side of the story is pretty weak so far.
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I've always looked past the cheesiness - this show really weaves the story of the legacy characters with the story of the kids perfectly.
At the beginning of this new season, I started to get tired of the legacy characters' not being able to get over their feud with Terry Silver / Cobra Kai. How long can this go on? But they ramped up some intensity with Terry and Daniel and it got me back into the story with some mystery about Terry's plans. Working on finishing up the season today, so we'll see how it goes.
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Also 2 episodes in and agree with others. The cheesiness is a bit too much this season so far plus the bad acting really hurts what is otherwise a pretty solid story so far. Definitely feels like a show that is wearing thin season after season, but it's still entertaining enough. I don't plan on stopping watching though.
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Terry Silver is so much fun to watch though. I just love the whole 'Bond villain on cocaine' vibe he has going on and I think he might be even more fun to watch than Kreese.
Overall I thought the season was solid. I gotta say I appreciate certain characters like Johnny actually maturing and moving forward as a character. Heck, same with Robbie and Miguel. Sam and Tory. For a show that has been treading waters a bit when it comes to personal conflict, it actually feels nice this season that some characters are moving past that.
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Love the show. Two episodes in and I'm enjoying this season so far - but I've gotta admit the writing on the Mexico side of the story is pretty weak so far.
Burnt though the rest of the season tonight. The first 3 (maybe 4) episodes are a mess - way to many coincidences and misunderstanding (either for pushing the plot on or comedy) and the rampant silliness of the show goes a little to far, in particular with the introduction of Mike Barnes. But then the second half of the season really picked up and knocked it out of the park, really good stuff and a nice setup for season 6.
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Miguel's father: will we ever see him again?
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I was surprised to see the Mexico storyline wrap up so quickly. I thought Miguel’s dad might see Miguel getting into a car with two guys wearing FBI shirts and have his goons follow them or something.
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I'm just starting the new season. Can't wait. For the most part, I've really enjoyed the show up to this point.
I'm legitimately surprised about the "bad acting" comment above. If that related solely to this season, I guess I'll have to wait and see. But as far as the past seasons, I feel the acting side has been mostly VERY well done. Now, if people have a problem with the over-the-top or cheesy nature of the writing, I have no problem with that. It is both of those things. And, in my opinion, it is both of those things for effect, and it works well in the context of what the show is and the Karate Kid legacy. But I get it if that isn't working for some people. But the acting? I'm sure there may have been isolated moments here and there in the earlier seasons that may not have been up to par, but nothing stands out in my memory.
EDIT: Okay, if that comment was directed toward sensei Kim and her crew, I can't overly disagree. They were definitely acted very cartoonishly. In context of the show, it was fine. But I get the criticism on that side.
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The whole show is fairly cartoonish and over the top, and good acting isn't really required to pull it off. Now, there is a lot of gray area between good and bad, but I don't think I have watched a second of this show and thought, "Wow, that is some damn good acting." There is probably a reason most of the actors from the original Karate Kid films haven't been seen in much since, Elisabeth Shue being an exception, and even her appearance was pretty short-lived. William Zabka looks like an Oscar winner next to Ralph Macchio, who has never been anything more than a decent actor at best, but even his acting is largely a one-trick pony (look and talk like a dick). I watch this show for the entertaining absurdity, not for stellar acting or great storytelling.
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The whole show is fairly cartoonish and over the top, and good acting isn't really required to pull it off.
Very true. But whether the show needs good acting to pull it off isn't really the issue.
Now, there is a lot of gray area between good and bad, but I don't think I have watched a second of this show and thought, "Wow, that is some damn good acting."
I have.
There is probably a reason most of the actors from the original Karate Kid films haven't been seen in much since...
Whether or not we agree on the quality of acting in this show overall, I wouldn't want to go out on a limb and agree with that. There are plenty of demonstrably worse actors that have gotten plenty of acting work. The reasons the original KK crew may not have are not really known.
Anyhow, now that I'm done with this season, I can say I REALLY enjoyed it. Good continuation of the arc without getting stale (although I could understand if some might be getting tired of some of the repeated themes).
********SPOILER BELOW FOR THE FINAL EPISODE***********
When Chozen went off after Silver alone, I really thought he was going to die. Especially after the revelation of his feelings for Kumiko, and him calling her and finally telling her about his feelings and wanting to get together once he gets back. Really glad they didn't kill him off. All in all, this season surprisingly ended on a satisfyingly positive note.
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This show is so fucking corny and stupid.
Binged it in two days. :lol
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William Zabka looks like an Oscar winner next to Ralph Macchio, who has never been anything more than a decent actor at best, but even his acting is largely a one-trick pony (look and talk like a dick).
This is certainly true.
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Finished it last night.....and I will say....after Ep. 4 things got better. Something about the first few episodes just screamed 'low quality' to me but after Ep. 4 it returned to the 'feel' of the series and was pretty entertaining
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Finished it last night.....and I will say....after Ep. 4 things got better. Something about the first few episodes just screamed 'low quality' to me but after Ep. 4 it returned to the 'feel' of the series and was pretty entertaining
That's good to know.
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Finished it last night.....and I will say....after Ep. 4 things got better. Something about the first few episodes just screamed 'low quality' to me but after Ep. 4 it returned to the 'feel' of the series and was pretty entertaining
We finished the first 6 episodes now and I can agree, things definitely got better by episode 5. We'll finish this weekend.
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new Karate Kid movie coming next June.
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/sony-karate-kid-movie-2024-pushes-madame-web-1235375372/
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We caught another one or two episodes.
I don't know, man. I keep rooting for LaRusso to get killed. Is that bad?
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I don't know, man. I keep rooting for LaRusso to get killed. Is that bad?
:lol I think that's a natural desire considering what they've developed his character into.
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We finished over the weekend and it definitely ended better than it started but I do hope the next season is the last of this poorly acted cheese fest. The storyline is good but the writing and acting are just so poor at times. The continued tie in to the movies is great though.
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I don't know, man. I keep rooting for LaRusso to get killed. Is that bad?
:lol I think that's a natural desire considering what they've developed his character into.
Daniel was never likable, though. Even in the films, he was a whiny little shit who deserved the occasional beating. Mr. Miyagi was the one I rooted for, not Daniel.
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Daniel having unlikable traits just makes him feel more relatable and that's a good thing with the show is that most characters have some nuance in their character.
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Daniel having unlikable traits just makes him feel more relatable and that's a good thing with the show is that most characters have some nuance in their character.
I don't find him relatable in any way.
Of course, I don't find any of these characters relatable in any way. Except for Daniel's wife when she just gets tired of this stupid shit. That I can relate to.
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Daniel having unlikable traits just makes him feel more relatable and that's a good thing with the show is that most characters have some nuance in their character.
I don't find him relatable in any way.
Of course, I don't find any of these characters relatable in any way. Except for Daniel's wife when she just gets tired of this stupid shit. That I can relate to.
Oh yeah for sure. But it's part of the charm of the show just how crazy and off the rails the events have become. You start small with Johnny Lawrence clinging onto his glory days of karate and it makes sense, but you end up in a situation where everyone and their grandma knows karate and it's the single most important thing in the lives of everyone and yeah, things are a bit off the rails. :lol
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I like Cobra Kai for what it is - a sequel spoof off the first three Karate Kid films.
I like the films way better, particularly 1 and 2. They took things seriously, and it was good drama. Being a student of the martial arts myself since 1984, I see what's real and what's not. The movies were enjoyable.
Cobra Kai is enjoyable in a different way, for multiple audiences. I think Cobra Kai was brilliantly executed from a marketing aspect. The story pulls in people my age, and then pulls in teenagers. It has echoes of the past and the nostalgia, but then "real life" (take that with some salt) scenarios of today's kids. It's like their version of Beverly Hills 90210 to a degree. (Which I never watched more than a few episodes, but I remember it.)
I just find it brilliant that the writers and creative team were able to successfully combine things to make a show that has such mass appeal. And the martial arts part of me, as much as some things make me cringe - I'm happy it has marketed that as well. Win-win-win, as long as you don't take it so seriously.
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Season 6 Promo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCCOi216Ukw
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That’s a fan made trailer. ;) Even says so at :56
I think they just started filming, so I wouldn’t expect a promo for a while