DreamTheaterForums.org Dream Theater Fan Site
General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: WildRanger on April 22, 2018, 03:38:13 PM
-
What do you prefer?
-
Depends on the band, but overall I'd have to go with hair metal over grunge, tho there's plenty of hair metal I don't like, and some grunge that I do like. Probably due in part to the fact that I grew up in the 80s.
-
"hair bands" are one of the few things of the 80's I DON'T like. I thought it was all silly.
-
Apples and oranges. I love them both for different reasons, and there are good examples and bad examples of both.
You could have included 00s nu-metal in this as well, and I would say the same thing.
Which actually leads me to a small revelation... is the 10s the first decade with no musical trend to define it?
-
80's!
-
Depends on the band, but overall I'd have to go with hair metal over grunge, tho there's plenty of hair metal I don't like, and some grunge that I do like. Probably due in part to the fact that I grew up in the 80s.
Depends; Cinderella slays anything in the grunge era, but I'd take Temple of the Dog and Soundgarden over, say, Autograph, or anything with this on the cover:
(https://i.imgur.com/4FSUCYh.jpg)
Yes, I know he was in Kiss, but he's by far my least favorite member of the band (yes, even over Peter Criss and Vinnie Vincent). I don't know what that chord fretting sounds like but it can't be good.
-
80's!
-
Wasn't a fan of bands like Poison, but I dug Mottley Crew and Ratt.
-
Both, but only the good bands.
-
Depends on the band, but overall I'd have to go with hair metal over grunge, tho there's plenty of hair metal I don't like, and some grunge that I do like.
Pretty much this, although I would say that actual "grunge" that I like would make a very short list.
-
I still love Ratt's Round & Round. And 80's Van Halen was awesome.
-
Was never a fan of grunge music and love the 80s... I'm a 90s kid but the 80s had great music.
-
The problem with all of this is Pearl Jam and Soundgarden. Pearl Jam with the way they recycle the Who crossed with a smattering of UFO/Kiss/Zeppelin - they are undeniably an amazing live band - and Soundgarden with the beauty and genius that was Chris Cornell. Even without the tragedy of his death, I think 40 years from now we're going to look back at Cornell in the same way we look at, say, Deep Purple, or The Doors.
But for those two, this isn't even a conversation in my opinion.
-
I was listening to Crazy Horse the other day and realizing that Pearl Jam is basically an exact carbon copy.
-
80s metal is my stuff. Hated grunge. Still do. My life wasn’t shit in the 90s so I had no frame of reference for it.
And it was anti everything I loved in music.
-
Depends on the band, but overall I'd have to go with hair metal over grunge, tho there's plenty of hair metal I don't like
This is me to a T (although I suppose it really depends what is and isn't included as "hair metal"). I intentionally omitted the "some grunge I like" comment because I'm not sure there's anything considered "grunge" that I like (is Peral Jam's "Ten" considered "grunge"?).
You could have included 00s nu-metal in this as well, and I would say the same thing.
Which actually leads me to a small revelation... is the 10s the first decade with no musical trend to define it?
I wouldn't say that "nu-metal" "defined" the 2000s, and I'd say that alt/indy rock "defined" the 1990s at least as much as "grunge." I agree, though, that there's been no single dominant musical style for the 2010s.
-
Hair metal by far. Those bands were full of a lot of great musicians who also didn’t take themselves too seriously. It made for some really fun music.
-
I choose going deaf. :lol
-
I choose going deaf. :lol
Yeah, well, you like Grace Under Pressure, so.... ;-)
-
I choose going deaf. :lol
If I'm out of it heading into the final round, you're getting some quintessential glam in your Roulette.
Hint hint... score me well this round. :biggrin:
-
Grace Under Pressure rules, and I will handle jingle's results in my roulette with grace... under pressure. :hat
-
Hair metal by far. Those bands were full of a lot of great musicians who also didn’t take themselves too seriously. It made for some really fun music.
Great musicians who put posing over musicianship?
-
who put posing over musicianship?
Says who?
-
(https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/forumavatars/avatar_8247_1459252533.jpeg)
Umm............ ;D
-
Depends on the band, but overall I'd have to go with hair metal over grunge, tho there's plenty of hair metal I don't like
This is me to a T (although I suppose it really depends what is and isn't included as "hair metal"). I intentionally omitted the "some grunge I like" comment because I'm not sure there's anything considered "grunge" that I like (is Peral Jam's "Ten" considered "grunge"?).
You could have included 00s nu-metal in this as well, and I would say the same thing.
Which actually leads me to a small revelation... is the 10s the first decade with no musical trend to define it?
I wouldn't say that "nu-metal" "defined" the 2000s, and I'd say that alt/indy rock "defined" the 1990s at least as much as "grunge." I agree, though, that there's been no single dominant musical style for the 2010s.
Maybe I should not say defined the decade so much as it is a clear product of its decade. It was the stand out metal genre of that period, anyway. I mean, if we are going to be broad, 80s rap was very much of a product of its time just as much as hair metal was. But I was thinking more along the specific rock/metal lines when I made the statement.
-
Maybe I should not say defined the decade so much as it is a clear product of its decade. It was the stand out metal genre of that period, anyway. I mean, if we are going to be broad, 80s rap was very much of a product of its time just as much as hair metal was. But I was thinking more along the specific rock/metal lines when I made the statement.
I agree with all that.
When I think of music in the 80s, I think about new wave and metal.
For the 90s, it's grunge, rap and alt/indy rock (and really, more than alt/indy rock in general, I think of all the female singers like Sarah McLachlan, Tori Amos, Cheryl Crow, etc.).
I can't really pinpoint anything for the 2000s and 2010s like that, although maybe we need more distance to do that.
-
I think 40 years from now we're going to look back at Cornell in the same way we look at, say, .. The Doors.
Yeah, overrated.
-
I think 40 years from now we're going to look back at Cornell in the same way we look at, say, .. The Doors.
Yeah, overrated.
:lol
-
Everyone- "TAC, do you like sushi"?
TAC- "What am I, a fruitcake"?
-
Everyone- "TAC, do you like sushi"?
TAC- "What am I, a fruitcake"?
Wut? :lol
Why can't I have both?
(https://www.biggerbolderbaking.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/BBB52-Fruit-Sushi-Thumbnail-FINAL.jpg)
-
That's my point. There's good music in both eras. I do lean to the 80's but you make it seem like no music is good from the 90's. That is incorrect.
-
When in this thread did I ever say that?? Quote me bitch!
-
Tim, we know you tapped out in the 90's. It's not like you've professed your hate on other threads. :lol
-
Tim, we know you tapped out in the 90's.
Some would say I've been tapped out since the 90's!
Hey, my favorite album of all time came out in 1992. :P
-
Tim, we know you tapped out in the 90's.
Some would say I've been tapped out since the 90's!
Hey, my favorite album of all time came out in 1992. :P
Was it a new band? :neverusethis:
-
Hammerfall!! :metal :metal
-
Which actually leads me to a small revelation... is the 10s the first decade with no musical trend to define it?
If you're solely looking at rock / metal, I'd agree. I'd attest that to rock having pretty much dropped off the face of mainstream music at this point. Hell, outside of maybe djent (which most people don't even consider to be a real subgenre) I can't really think of any big "trends" in rock / metal from this decade. Do high school kids even listen to metalcore anymore?
-
Everyone- "TAC, do you like sushi"?
TAC- "What's sushi"?
fix'd
-
Well, I never cared about 80's hair metal since I was not born in the 80s, have no interest really digging into that era of music, and quite frankly, the aura those bands give, I'm like, "nope not for me." I went with 90s grunge, especially since bands I like were influenced by those 90s bands. I like Soundgarden, Alice in Chains has some great songs. Didn't care much for Nirvana or Pearl Jam, but I can tolerate those guys when I hear one of their songs on the radio as oppose to Motley Crue, Skid Row, etc.
-
Grunge all the way.
Some of the bands I like (Queensryche, Scorpions, Ozzy) sometimes flirted with a glam aesthetic musically or visually, but I've never been into any actual hair metal stuff like Mötley Crüe, Ratt, Poison etc., because to me it's all style over substance. Grunge bands had deeper lyrics, and it's not like the musicians were dummies: Pearl Jam and Soundgarden experimented with alternate tunings, and Soundgarden and Alice in Chains played around with different time signatures. Besides, grunge was a much more diverse umbrella, because the Seattle scene took influences from punk (Nirvana), classic rock (Pearl Jam), hard rock (Soundgarden) and metal (Alice in Chains), and each band had its own recognizable sound, while all the hair metal groups basically followed the same formula. Wailing vocals? Check. Shred solos? Check. Songs about partying and chicks? Check. Obligatory love ballad once in a while? Check.
Which actually leads me to a small revelation... is the 10s the first decade with no musical trend to define it?
If you're solely looking at rock / metal, I'd agree. I'd attest that to rock having pretty much dropped off the face of mainstream music at this point. Hell, outside of maybe djent (which most people don't even consider to be a real subgenre) I can't really think of any big "trends" in rock / metal from this decade. Do high school kids even listen to metalcore anymore?
At least in Europe the 70s revival has been popular to some degree within the rock/metal scene, though Ghost is the only band that has really hit the mainstream, so it's not as much of a trend as hair metal or nu metal was.
-
Well I loved Soundgarden and Pearl Jam's 'Ten', but then the whole 'Grunge' thing blew up and everybody started wearing those plead shirts and ripped jeans and it just became a fad. I hate when music gets commercialized like that. Same happened to Punk and Metal.
There were great bands in both movements, but the whole toupé'd hair and pouting lipstick lips just turned me off.
-
Grunge all the way.
Some of the bands I like (Queensryche, Scorpions, Ozzy) sometimes flirted with a glam aesthetic musically or visually, but I've never been into any actual hair metal stuff like Mötley Crüe, Ratt, Poison etc., because to me it's all style over substance. Grunge bands had deeper lyrics, and it's not like the musicians were dummies: Pearl Jam and Soundgarden experimented with alternate tunings, and Soundgarden and Alice in Chains played around with different time signatures. Besides, grunge was a much more diverse umbrella, because the Seattle scene took influences from punk (Nirvana), classic rock (Pearl Jam), hard rock (Soundgarden) and metal (Alice in Chains), and each band had its own recognizable sound, while all the hair metal groups basically followed the same formula. Wailing vocals? Check. Shred solos? Check. Songs about partying and chicks? Check. Obligatory love ballad once in a while? Check.
Funny though, that you only really name the same three bands as everyone else. I'm not saying they're the only "good" bands to come out of there, but I think in 50 years or so, we'll be talking about Pearl Jam/Soundgarden/Alice like we talk about the Beatles, and the rest of the scene will be talked about like Gerry and the Pacemakers and Rory Storm and the Hurricanes.
-
Grunge all the way.
Some of the bands I like (Queensryche, Scorpions, Ozzy) sometimes flirted with a glam aesthetic musically or visually, but I've never been into any actual hair metal stuff like Mötley Crüe, Ratt, Poison etc., because to me it's all style over substance. Grunge bands had deeper lyrics, and it's not like the musicians were dummies: Pearl Jam and Soundgarden experimented with alternate tunings, and Soundgarden and Alice in Chains played around with different time signatures. Besides, grunge was a much more diverse umbrella, because the Seattle scene took influences from punk (Nirvana), classic rock (Pearl Jam), hard rock (Soundgarden) and metal (Alice in Chains), and each band had its own recognizable sound, while all the hair metal groups basically followed the same formula. Wailing vocals? Check. Shred solos? Check. Songs about partying and chicks? Check. Obligatory love ballad once in a while? Check.
Funny though, that you only really name the same three bands as everyone else. I'm not saying they're the only "good" bands to come out of there, but I think in 50 years or so, we'll be talking about Pearl Jam/Soundgarden/Alice like we talk about the Beatles, and the rest of the scene will be talked about like Gerry and the Pacemakers and Rory Storm and the Hurricanes.
We'll also be talking about Nirvana, like them or not. :) By the way Stadler, I voted for for 90s grunge on this, and it wasn't even close for me. Just keep that in mind (since you "threatened" to send 80s hair metal in my roulette... :) )
-
When grunge came along I was able to stop my subscriptions to the guitar magazines. Saved me some money at least.
-
Well, and I would imagine you already knew both of those chords anyway.
-
Well, and I would imagine you already knew both of those chords anyway.
:rollin
-
Well, and I would imagine you already knew both of those chords anyway.
Exactly :biggrin: and I was already pretty good at very short sloppy solos
-
Just curious how some of the grunge haters feel about punk...
Grunge and punk are completely different types of music to my ears (though there are some similarities) but on a social level they were extremely similar. They were both emotional backlashes by non-musicians in answer to an overindulgent trend that preceded it.
-
In general, doesn't do anything for me.
-
Punk and Grunge both played a part in shaping a culture of musicians who think it’s cool to suck at playing your instrument. In turn, it’s helped fuel the “technical means no feel” argument against some of the more technically proficient artists out there. That’s honestly my biggest issue with the two genres.
-
I mentioned how I did not like grunge at all and I prefer 80s music, but one genre of music I loved from the 90s was punk (and ska). 90s punk even had some mainstream success with Green Day and Offspring.
-
Just curious how some of the grunge haters feel about punk...
Grunge and punk are completely different types of music to my ears (though there are some similarities) but on a social level they were extremely similar. They were both emotional backlashes by non-musicians in answer to an overindulgent trend that preceded it.
Can’t stand punk either. I like my musicians to be skilled in the art.
-
Funny though, that you only really name the same three bands as everyone else. I'm not saying they're the only "good" bands to come out of there, but I think in 50 years or so, we'll be talking about Pearl Jam/Soundgarden/Alice like we talk about the Beatles, and the rest of the scene will be talked about like Gerry and the Pacemakers and Rory Storm and the Hurricanes.
TBH I'm not too well-versed on the bands outside the big 4 names, and the narrowest definitions of grunge seem to be limited to the Seattle scene anyway - I know at least Melvins (if they count) were pretty influential though.
As Lethean said, Nirvana will undoubtedly be remembered and talked about as well. After all, they were the first of the bunch to hit the mainstream and basically popularized the "quiet verse, loud chorus" template that so many others would use afterwards. Even on Spotify, Teen Spirit has more plays than Black Hole Sun, Alive and Man in the Box combined, and you only really see youngsters wearing Nirvana shirts these days, even though it's only been 25 years or so (feels weird saying that, because I'm not even that old yet :lol).
Just curious how some of the grunge haters feel about punk...
Grunge and punk are completely different types of music to my ears (though there are some similarities) but on a social level they were extremely similar. They were both emotional backlashes by non-musicians in answer to an overindulgent trend that preceded it.
I like grunge, but not punk :P The DIY ethos of punk is cool, but the music is too blunt and primal for my taste. Misfits have some decent songs, but that's about it.
-
80s bald metal ftw :metal
-
Just curious how some of the grunge haters feel about punk...
I wouldn't call myself a grunge hater, but I am generally not a fan.
I do not like punk at all. Punk is basically something talked up by critics so much that people think it was more popular and relevant than it really was. Go look at how albums by The Ramones, Sex Pistols, The Clash, etc. charted back in the day. Punk did well in the UK, but not in many other places.
-
Just curious how some of the grunge haters feel about punk...
I wouldn't call myself a grunge hater, but I am generally not a fan.
I do not like punk at all. Punk is basically something talked up by critics so much that people think it was more popular and relevant than it really was. Go look at how albums by The Ramones, Sex Pistols, The Clash, etc. charted back in the day. Punk did well in the UK, but not in many other places.
Well he wasn't comparing to old school punk. Well at least I didn't think so, but punk had a lot of success in the US in the 90s. Green Day, Offspring, Blink 182 all had a lot of success commercially. Obviously it was never as big as grunge or metal, but the 90s were good for that type of music compared to any other decade IMO and all those mentioned bands were played on KRock alongside the big grunge bands so I think it's an interesting comparison.
-
Just curious how some of the grunge haters feel about punk...
I wouldn't call myself a grunge hater, but I am generally not a fan.
I do not like punk at all. Punk is basically something talked up by critics so much that people think it was more popular and relevant than it really was.
Um yeah...see Grunge.
-
Just curious how some of the grunge haters feel about punk...
I wouldn't call myself a grunge hater, but I am generally not a fan.
I do not like punk at all. Punk is basically something talked up by critics so much that people think it was more popular and relevant than it really was. Go look at how albums by The Ramones, Sex Pistols, The Clash, etc. charted back in the day. Punk did well in the UK, but not in many other places.
Well he wasn't comparing to old school punk. Well at least I didn't think so, but punk had a lot of success in the US in the 90s. Green Day, Offspring, Blink 182 all had a lot of success commercially. Obviously it was never as big as grunge or metal, but the 90s were good for that type of music compared to any other decade IMO and all those mentioned bands were played on KRock alongside the big grunge bands so I think it's an interesting comparison.
I was comparing to old school punk...which was largely considered a backlash against “pretentious music” aka prog.
-
I am talking about the original punk movement of the 70's, which critics act like was this hugely popular thing, when in reality it was not.
-
It wasn't the explosion in America that grunge was...but I believe that it's impact on the music scene was much bigger than its popularity in the states. It *drastically* changed everyone else's approach to music.
-
Hair metal is one of the only universally putrid genres of music. Grunge is ok.
-
No one thinks the Ramones or the Sex Pistols were worth the praise we unless you worked for Rolling Stone magazine.
-
Hair metal is one of the only universally putrid genres of music. Grunge is ok.
Hair metal gave us a bunch of classic songs that everyone knows.
Did the original punk movement even give us one? Maybe the song London Calling, but even that is a stretch.
-
The Clash was a different breed stretching their musical limitations. They deserve the accolades. Punk for me, stunk.
-
Hair metal is one of the only universally putrid genres of music. Grunge is ok.
Hair metal gave us a bunch of classic songs that everyone knows.
Did the original punk movement even give us one? Maybe the song London Calling, but even that is a stretch.
Not much but the original punk movement gave us palatable music so it has that advantage. ;)
EDIT: Also to be less trollish, hair metal is nearly irrelevant nowadays, whereas punk had a way more far-reaching influence.
-
Hair metal is one of the only universally putrid genres of music. Grunge is ok.
Hair metal gave us a bunch of classic songs that everyone knows.
Did the original punk movement even give us one? Maybe the song London Calling, but even that is a stretch.
AY! OH! LET'S GO!
-
Just curious how some of the grunge haters feel about punk...
I wouldn't call myself a grunge hater, but I am generally not a fan.
I do not like punk at all. Punk is basically something talked up by critics so much that people think it was more popular and relevant than it really was.
Punk was not so relevant?
I really doubt that grunge and a significant number of alternative rock bands would exist without Sex Pistols or The Clash. And I really doubt that thrash metal, which is the most popular form of metal music in the USA would exist without bands as Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Bad Brains, Minor Threat etc.
-
I dig bands like Bad Religion, Bad Brains, Dead Kennedy's, Sex Pistols, Descendents.
-
EDIT: Also to be less trollish, hair metal is nearly irrelevant nowadays, whereas punk had a way more far-reaching influence.
(https://replygif.net/i/333.gif)
Maybe in the circles you run in it's "nearly irrelevant", but that's a gross misstatement. Example (cuz it's painfully fresh in my brain)... I take it you heard 16,000 people singing Livin on a Prayer from the TD Garden last night? Don't think that quite qualifies as irrelevant.
-
AY! OH! LET'S GO!
I'll say this.. That's definitely better than
OONTA GLEEBIN GLOWTIN GLOBIN.
I mean WTF? :loser:
-
AY! OH! LET'S GO!
I'll say this.. That's definitely better than
OONTA GLEEBIN GLOWTIN GLOBIN.
I mean WTF? :loser:
:lol Though, I will gladly take that over "Do you wanna get ROCKED???"
-
EDIT: Also to be less trollish, hair metal is nearly irrelevant nowadays, whereas punk had a way more far-reaching influence.
(https://replygif.net/i/333.gif)
I take it you heard 16,000 people singing Livin on a Prayer from the TD Garden last night?
I think that 80's hit song appeals much more to pop fans than rock fans.
-
*raises hand* Rock and metal fan here, and I think that song is great. Don't be such a music snob.
-
To be such a huge hit, it has to cross over to pop fans. But to dismiss the rock fan's love for that song is just wrong. I just saw Bon Jovi a few weeks ago and had an absolute blast.
-
*raises hand* Rock and metal fan here, and I think that song is great. Don't be such a music snob.
Ditto. LoaP is the only Bon Jovi song I will actively go out of my way to listen to.
-
STOP AGREEING WITH ME! YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ME!
-
STOP AGREEING WITH ME! YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ME!
To love you is to know you....
-
EDIT: Also to be less trollish, hair metal is nearly irrelevant nowadays, whereas punk had a way more far-reaching influence.
(https://replygif.net/i/333.gif)
I take it you heard 16,000 people singing Livin on a Prayer from the TD Garden last night?
I think that 80's hit song appeals much more to pop fans than rock fans.
You're kinda proving my point. Regardless of who it appeals to, it's still "hair metal", and far from irrelevant.
Now, if LieLow is saying that CURRENT hair metal is irrelevant, I got no argument.
-
For sure, but I would bet that hair metal bands touring nowadays draw way more than punk bands. Bon Jovi and Def Leppard still do well, and Guns N' Roses's recent reunion tour was a monster. And don't tell me Def Leppard and G N' R weren't hair metal in the later 80's (look at their hair in those videos :lol).
Elements of punk definitely influenced certain subgenres of rock, but when talking about strict punk itself, the original bands didn't make the impact outside of the UK that some (see: braindead critics) think they did, which was my point prior.
-
Steel Panther baby!!! :metal
-
Steel Panther baby!!! :metal
Ahhh, yes. The one band that can show that glam metal music can survive in the 21st century and they sure go all the way with the aesthetics. So, what's the punk equivalence of Steel Panther then? Can there be an actual answer?
-
I haven’t been keeping up on the punk seen lately so I don’t know who modern-day equivalent would be. But I do know that bands like Green Day, The Offspring, NOFX, Bad Religion and others still draw bigger crowds than the bands we listen to.
Isn’t the Vans Warped festival tour totally revolves around the punk scene? I wish we had a prog festival that toured the whole country.
-
I haven’t been keeping up on the punk seen lately so I don’t know who modern-day equivalent would be. But I do know that bands like Green Day, The Offspring, NOFX, Bad Religion and others still draw bigger crowds than the bands we listen to.
Isn’t the Vans Warped festival tour totally revolves around the punk scene? I wish we had a prog festival that toured the whole country.
Vans Warped Tour is entering it's final year this year, but yeah, I think that was accurate where bands like The Offspring, Blink 182, Green Day, Rise Against, etc. made their marks at the Warped Tour. Even A7X took part in it before they become modern superstars in our rock world. Those types of bands are doing well today and I think they were able to connect and captivate well to a younger audience than a potential prog rock equivalence of a Vans Warped tour like festival. It's really sad for me to say it, but I think it is the case. :tdwn
Speaking of the Warped Tour, this list is huge and chock full of well-known bands in today's generations. Even Katy Perry made did a year of the Warped Tour before she became a well-known pop star.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Warped_Tour_lineups_by_year
-
Just curious how some of the grunge haters feel about punk...
Grunge and punk are completely different types of music to my ears (though there are some similarities) but on a social level they were extremely similar. They were both emotional backlashes by non-musicians in answer to an overindulgent trend that preceded it.
I like grunge quite a bit and I, unsurprisingly, think punk is pretty great.
I also think it's unfair to say that punk and grunge musicians couldn't play their instruments. Sure the Sex Pistols were legitimately terrible musicians and Kurt Cobain wasn't exactly a virtuoso, but Jerry Cantrell, Matt Cameron, Mike McCready, and Stone Gossard? Those guys can play. As for the punks, just listen to The Clash or the Dead Kennedys. Are they the best musicians ever? Nope, but they could certainly play on a similar level to many current indie rock bands, if not better.
-
People had the idea that a guy like Chris Cornell can't play his instrument? The dude wasn't just a great vocalist that has some great range in his screams. This was a guy that played like 2.5 hour solo acoustic sets from all kinds of stuff from Soundgarden to Audioslave to Temple of the Dog to his solo stuff to covers from Beatles, Zeppelin, Prince, the mashup with U2's One melody and Metallica's One lyrics, etc.
I like to see a guy that cannot play his instrument do the things Cornell did. Man, I miss Chris Cornell. I'm sure we all do.
-
People had the idea that a guy like Chris Cornell can't play his instrument? The dude wasn't just a great vocalist that has some great range in his screams. This was a guy that played like 2.5 hour solo acoustic sets from all kinds of stuff from Soundgarden to Audioslave to Temple of the Dog to his solo stuff to covers from Beatles, Zeppelin, Prince, the mashup with U2's One melody and Metallica's One lyrics, etc.
I like to see a guy that cannot play his instrument do the things Cornell did. Man, I miss Chris Cornell. I'm sure we all do.
This post is dead on.
-
People had the idea that a guy like Chris Cornell can't play his instrument? The dude wasn't just a great vocalist that has some great range in his screams. This was a guy that played like 2.5 hour solo acoustic sets from all kinds of stuff from Soundgarden to Audioslave to Temple of the Dog to his solo stuff to covers from Beatles, Zeppelin, Prince, the mashup with U2's One melody and Metallica's One lyrics, etc.
I like to see a guy that cannot play his instrument do the things Cornell did. Man, I miss Chris Cornell. I'm sure we all do.
Oh, I agree, but even in this thread, you can see grunge getting dismissed as a genre for simplistic or not-quite-proficient musicians, which is just not true at all.
-
Grunge for me.
People had the idea that a guy like Chris Cornell can't play his instrument? The dude wasn't just a great vocalist that has some great range in his screams. This was a guy that played like 2.5 hour solo acoustic sets from all kinds of stuff from Soundgarden to Audioslave to Temple of the Dog to his solo stuff to covers from Beatles, Zeppelin, Prince, the mashup with U2's One melody and Metallica's One lyrics, etc.
I like to see a guy that cannot play his instrument do the things Cornell did. Man, I miss Chris Cornell. I'm sure we all do.
Oh, I agree, but even in this thread, you can see grunge getting dismissed as a genre for simplistic or not-quite-proficient musicians, which is just not true at all.
Agreed. Jerry Cantrell or Chris Cornell, put a lot of the so called guitar gods of the 80's to shame
-
*raises hand* Rock and metal fan here, and I think that song is great. Don't be such a music snob.
I'm not a music snob. But to me Livin' on a Prayer is just a lame cheese aimed at teenyboppers.
-
*raises hand* Rock and metal fan here, and I think that song is great. Don't be such a music snob.
I'm not a music snob. But to me Livin' on a Prayer is just a lame cheese aimed at teenyboppers.
You're such a man's man then.
-
*raises hand* Rock and metal fan here, and I think that song is great. Don't be such a music snob.
I'm not a music snob. But to me Livin' on a Prayer is just a lame cheese aimed at teenyboppers.
Curious, how old were you in 1986 when it was released?
-
Nothing wrong with Living On A Prayer.
-
Grunge for me.
People had the idea that a guy like Chris Cornell can't play his instrument? The dude wasn't just a great vocalist that has some great range in his screams. This was a guy that played like 2.5 hour solo acoustic sets from all kinds of stuff from Soundgarden to Audioslave to Temple of the Dog to his solo stuff to covers from Beatles, Zeppelin, Prince, the mashup with U2's One melody and Metallica's One lyrics, etc.
I like to see a guy that cannot play his instrument do the things Cornell did. Man, I miss Chris Cornell. I'm sure we all do.
Oh, I agree, but even in this thread, you can see grunge getting dismissed as a genre for simplistic or not-quite-proficient musicians, which is just not true at all.
Agreed. Jerry Cantrell or Chris Cornell, put a lot of the so called guitar gods of the 80's to shame
Mike McCready is right up there too.
I swear to God most of the grunge being limited musicians opinions are purely based on Cobain as a Guitarist.
-
I haven’t been keeping up on the punk seen lately so I don’t know who modern-day equivalent would be. But I do know that bands like Green Day, The Offspring, NOFX, Bad Religion and others still draw bigger crowds than the bands we listen to.
Isn’t the Vans Warped festival tour totally revolves around the punk scene? I wish we had a prog festival that toured the whole country.
Vans Warped Tour is entering it's final year this year, but yeah, I think that was accurate where bands like The Offspring, Blink 182, Green Day, Rise Against, etc. made their marks at the Warped Tour. Even A7X took part in it before they become modern superstars in our rock world. Those types of bands are doing well today and I think they were able to connect and captivate well to a younger audience than a potential prog rock equivalence of a Vans Warped tour like festival. It's really sad for me to say it, but I think it is the case. :tdwn
Speaking of the Warped Tour, this list is huge and chock full of well-known bands in today's generations. Even Katy Perry made did a year of the Warped Tour before she became a well-known pop star.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Warped_Tour_lineups_by_year
I went to the 99, 00, and 02 warped tours as a kid. I also went again in 16. Boy did it change a lot. Sad to see it go, but it seemed to be holding onto those same constant bands from 15 years ago and not having more big names come through and move onto bigger and better things. This years final line up is very lackluster IMO.
But that 99 warped tour was AMAZING. Black Eyed Peas, Blink 182, Eminen (he wasn't at the one I went to), Dropkick Murphys, Less Than Jake... I've got great memories of that year and my first concert festival attendance. Then the next year with Green Day No Doubt, Weezer..
-
I'll take Britpop ahead of both choices. Suede, Manics, Radiohead and Blur, yes please. :)
But out of those the choices, grunge. I like Alice in Chains, Soundgarden and Stone Temple Pilots. Hair metal... even the genre name says to me that it's more about looks and nailing groupies than music :biggrin:.
OK that's bit rich coming from Type O Negative fan :lol.
Steel Panther baby!!! :metal
:metal but they're an affectionate parody.
you make it seem like no music is good from the 90's. That is incorrect.
TAC had Stomp 442 in his top 50 albums, right? :metal :lol
And I'll love him for that. :biggrin:
-
TAC had Stomp 442 in his top 50 albums, right? :metal :lol
And I'll love him for that. :biggrin:
:metal :metal :metal
I had the following 90's albums in The TAC Top 50.
44. Anthrax- Stomp 442 (1995)
41. Hammerfall- Legacy Of Kings (1998)
39. Armored Saint- Symbol Of Salvation (1991)
38. Flotsam & Jetsam-When The Storm Comes Down (1990)
8. Dream Theater- Scenes From A Memory (1999)
1. Dream Theater- Images And Words (1992)
-
I need to check out that Armored Saint album! I've listened to the first three tracks of it so far.
And to be fair, I prefer Sound of White Noise... But yeah, I wasn't born when it was released so I don't know if my opinion is valid :lol. But still, while Stomp 442 gets too much flak, it's a great album.
John Bush fucking rocks! :metal
-
Can I still direct your attention to Britpop or should I start a different topic? Once I thought I was a 90s teenager British girl living in the new 10s since I kept pondering whether Brett Anderson or Damon Albarn was hotter.
spoiler alert: it is Brett. Especially after I learned that Charmless Man was a diss track. Fucking cheap shot since you were dating Justine anyway, Brett :censored.
-
I need to check out that Armored Saint album! I've listened to the first three tracks of it so far.
And to be fair, I still prefer Sound of the White Noise... But yeah, I wasn't born when it was released so I don't know if my opinion is valid :lol. But still, while Stomp 442 gets too much flak, it's a great album.
John Bush fucking rocks! :metal
Of course your opinion is valid!
I'll say this...Sound Of White Noise has aged wonderfully. I distinctly remember being disappointed with it. I'm not sure why, as it's an awesome album.
-
Both eras had good and bad. Hair metal did have bands that were style over substance such as Poison, Warrant etc. There were also bands like Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Guns N’ Roses who may have had the big hair but they had the songs and talent to back it up and transcended that genre to just become classic rock bands. The Seattle scene similarly produced some rubbish but again bands like Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Nirvana have lasted beyond that movement and are now considered classic rock bands.
I picked 80’s as there are more bands of that era that I like and I’d sooner listen to some of the lesser 80’s bands like Europe than I would the lesser grunge bands.
-
Sound of White Noise is my #1 Anthrax album....and I grew up with their “glory days”.
Vol 8 is underrated.
Couldn’t get into Stomp 442
-
Couldn’t get into Stomp 442
What a shock! :lol
Vol 8 is underrated.
I don't not like it, but it's kind of all over the place. That said, Catharsis might be my favorite Bush Era track.
-
Catharsis might be my favorite Bush Era track.
I agree! :metal And currently I'm having Big Fat playing on the background and I love it.
Vol 8 (haven't heard it in full tbf) and We've Come for You All are pretty much hit and miss for me.
-
Quick Bush-era Anthrax top 5:
American Pompeii
Room for One More
Potter's Field
Catharsis
Think About an End
-
Ruba, I am so with you on American Pompeii.
"I break myself just to live this way, Never as old as I was today" :metal
I go:
American Pompeii
Catharsis
Fueled
Hy Pro Glow
In A Zone
They also had some great covers..
The Cowboy Song
Remember Tomorrow
Watchin' You
Phantom Lord
-
Hy Pro Glow
In A Zone
These two don't get enough love neither.
I don't usually care about covers, but I should check out the Maiden and Metallica ones, since I love the original ones. The cover of The Bends by Radiohead is decent, but the original one is easily superior (I was simply curious since it was so out different of their usual output, plus the original track is amazing :)).
Now I'm derailing the original topic. Dirt is an amazing record!