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Title: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: gzarruk on April 03, 2018, 10:53:53 AM
I just realized that next year is going to be the 30th anniversary of WDADU. Should they take this into consideration for the next tour? It's not a fan favorite album, so playing it in full every night wouldn't be the best thing to do, but maybe add 2 or 3 songs from the album to the set for the whole tour?

Personally, I'd love to see TKH back in the set, maybe OAMOT too.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: ChuckSteak on April 03, 2018, 11:10:14 AM
Yeah, The Killing Hand would be nice to hear.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: The Walrus on April 03, 2018, 11:17:10 AM
I would be perfectly content if they skipped celebrating this dud :)
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: bosk1 on April 03, 2018, 11:19:29 AM
Having done the entire thing and recording it for the 15th anniversary, I'm not sure they need to do it again.  But a mini-set like what they did with the Awake/SFAM material on the AFTR tour, or something like that, would be a great way to acknowledge the anniversary.  Even if it is only maybe 3 songs, that would be cool. 

Personally, I'd take THK, OAMOT, LFAGA, and SS, since the first two are favorites that haven't been played much in awhile, and the latter two are just rarely played in general.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: pg1067 on April 03, 2018, 11:45:37 AM
Having done the entire thing and recording it for the 15th anniversary, I'm not sure they need to do it again.  But a mini-set like what they did with the Awake/SFAM material on the AFTR tour, or something like that, would be a great way to acknowledge the anniversary.  Even if it is only maybe 3 songs, that would be cool. 

Personally, I'd take THK, OAMOT, LFAGA, and SS, since the first two are favorites that haven't been played much in awhile, and the latter two are just rarely played in general.

^^ This...mostly.  I could do without LFAGA and SS, but OAMOT and TKH are my favorites on the album.  They played OAMOT the first time I saw them (I&W tour).  The opening keyboard melody reminded me a little of Pirates by ELP, so I always think of OAMOT as a "pirate song" (even though it lyrically has nothing to do with that).  Can't remember the last time I saw them do it, so I'd love to have it back in the set.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Lethean on April 03, 2018, 12:12:58 PM
I'd love them to do the Killing Hand, Status Seeker, and Light Fuse since those are the 3 I've never heard live.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: gzarruk on April 03, 2018, 12:59:32 PM
I'd love them to do the Killing Hand, Status Seeker, and Light Fuse since those are the 3 I've never heard live.

+1 for TKH and LFAGA, but hope they never play SS again  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Mladen on April 03, 2018, 03:17:07 PM
The ones I've heard are A Fortune in lies, Ytse jam and Afterlife.

I'd love to hear Only a matter of time, and Light fuse would be pretty cool, although extremely unlikely.

The remaining three - no, thanks.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: MirrorMask on April 03, 2018, 03:19:52 PM
The ones I've heard are A Fortune in lies, Ytse jam and Afterlife.

Add The Killing Hand for me, and Matter in a medley. These two songs (in full) I wouldn't mind to hear again.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Cool Chris on April 03, 2018, 03:30:37 PM
No need or desire whatsoever for them to acknowledge this with any live performance(s).
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: jammindude on April 03, 2018, 03:42:25 PM
I’ve never seen my personal favorite performed live... TOWHTSTS. 
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Renzo on April 03, 2018, 03:42:41 PM
The Killing Hand is definitely the song I would like to hear the most. Even the most rarely played WDADU songs such as LFAGA or TOWHTSTS would definitely be nice to hear.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: gzarruk on April 03, 2018, 05:15:40 PM
I’ve never seen my personal favorite performed live... TOWHTSTS.

Very underrated song, the intro is amazing and works very well in a live setting :metal
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Lethean on April 03, 2018, 05:20:34 PM
I’ve never seen my personal favorite performed live... TOWHTSTS.

Very underrated song, the intro is amazing and works very well in a live setting :metal

I've only seen it once, and it's a great song, so I'm down with them adding it.  I still want the 3 I've never seen.  But as far as I'm concerned it doesn't have to be for the anniversary, I'd just like to get to hear them at some point.  Next year makes sense to do at least a couple.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Madman Shepherd on April 03, 2018, 06:09:09 PM
No more anniversary sets! 

But acknowledging the anniversary with a song or maybe even a small medley might be cool.  I've never seen them do Killing Hand live so I guess my vote would go for that one. 
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: PetFish on April 03, 2018, 08:37:39 PM
Personally, I feel the standard "anniversary" thing has been played-out.

I don't need to hear <album> in its entirety and in order, especially if it has songs they play all the time or have played into the ground.  I'd much rather hear rarely-played songs or alternate versions or perhaps a mini encore of the <album> having the anniversary.

We just passed the 20th for Falling Into Infinity (Fall 2017) and didn't get even a tiny peep of it live.  Granted, maybe they didn't want to mess up The Astonishing and only did a small Images & Words 25th tour, and didn't have room.  But, considering how much of FII we haven't heard live AT ALL, I would really love for them to re-energize those unreleased tracks at some point.

If they are indeed waiting for the 25th anniversary of FII then that'd be fine as well, but there's just too much great stuff that (musically) was happening during that time.

TL;DR - No, not another full run-through of WDADU, please.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Adami on April 03, 2018, 08:43:31 PM
Personally, I think DT should just stop with anniversary anythings. Which they may be doing.

2019 - 30th anniversary for WDADU, 20th anniversary for SFAM, 10th anniversary for BCSL
2022 - 30th anniversary for I&W, 20th anniversary for 6DOIT
2023 - 20th anniversary for ToT, 10th anniversary for self titled.

etc. etc.

It's just silly at some point.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: KevShmev on April 03, 2018, 08:44:39 PM
Like others have said, I don't see the point in doing anniversaries of too many albums.  I&W, Scenes and Awake are obvious classics and fan favorites, which is why they got anniversary nods on recent tours, but aside from 6DOIT possibly getting a nod in 2022 for its 20th anniversary, I don't see any other album that needs an anniversary celebrated in any way.  We are lucky to have gotten the 15-year anniversary for WDADU, and that was only because it was their first (not because it is a classic); be happy with that and do not expect anything else (and I like WDADU a lot).
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Lethean on April 03, 2018, 08:48:06 PM
I agree that we don't need many more full album tours.  And doing an anniversary for each album every 5 years would be excessive. But I like the idea of acknowledging it with a handful of tracks (maybe even rotating, just a song or two).
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: ReaperKK on April 03, 2018, 08:54:21 PM
I think they should throw in a couple of songs to celebrate. I'd love to Only A Matter Of Time and A Fortune In Lies
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: The Walrus on April 04, 2018, 06:46:47 AM
I don't see a reason to acknowledge it personally. Only two of the current members even played on it.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Lethean on April 04, 2018, 07:32:24 AM
I don't think that's really relevant.  A lot of bands would have to limit their setlist choices if they went by that.  Only 2 of the current Katatonia members played on anything prior to 2012.  That would mean they'd only have 2 albums to choose from.  Same with Angra, for that matter. 

Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: The Walrus on April 04, 2018, 07:42:12 AM
Nah, I think it's totally relevant honestly. 30 year old album, not really adored by the fans at large, hasn't ever really been acknowledged a lot by the band except in special circumstances... I'd rather they just skip it and pack their already limited stage time with more fan favorites or lesser played favorites from more recent albums. Just my opinion :) But I also don't think they need to celebrate or acknowledge every album on a given anniversary. Since they already spent the Astonishing tour skipping their classics and hits and then did the IW&B tour I'd rather they just spent more time on the stronger material from later albums :metal
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Lethean on April 04, 2018, 08:20:42 AM
Which is all fine and well that those are your preferences, but has nothing to do with how many members in the band played on the album. :)

I also don't think they need to do an anniversary for every album, especially since they'll have a new album out next year and will want to focus on that.  However, I would like to see them include a couple tracks - which is my preference. They've been good about throwing in rarely played tracks and The Killing Hand is one I've been wanting to hear for a long time.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: The Walrus on April 04, 2018, 08:25:53 AM
Well yeah, but the very first question in the thread was asking whether or not they should acknowledge it, so I'm answering it. I do think the number of current members on said material does matter. It would be like Stratovarius playing something from their fourth album, when only their current vocalist was on it, or anything before that, when nobody was in the band. Or countless other examples I'm sure you prog fans know of :) Since DT has so many songs that are well over the 6 and 7 minute marks, too, that's just more time ate up, so I personally don't think they should waste time playing (imo) inferior, amateur (for DT) songs. Of course I don't think the band members argument applies to every band but in Dream Theater's case I think it's a relevant factor!

edit: okay I won't rain on the parade anymore.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Samsara on April 04, 2018, 08:56:29 AM
IMO, they should certainly acknowledge it in the set. Maybe do two songs, back-to-back, and rotate all the album songs in that two-song spot. No need to play the entirety of the album in the set. To be honest, I doubt there would be enough interest in it.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: gzarruk on April 04, 2018, 09:38:02 AM
IMO, they should certainly acknowledge it in the set. Maybe do two songs, back-to-back, and rotate all the album songs in that two-song spot. No need to play the entirety of the album in the set. To be honest, I doubt there would be enough interest in it.

That’s what I meant with this thread. I’m pretty sure no one wants them to play WDADU in full for a whole tour, I just think they should add a couple songs to the set because it’s material that gets rarely played and some songs like TKH are amazing live.

The whole “anniversary tour playing x album” is just silly and I don’t really want to see them do it again.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 04, 2018, 09:41:19 AM
Yeah, I'd be cool with a couple songs in the set to tip the hat to the album, but nothing more than that.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Samsara on April 04, 2018, 09:48:09 AM

The whole “anniversary tour playing x album” is just silly and I don’t really want to see them do it again.

It depends on the record, IMO. If you have a famous album with broad appeal, then I think it makes sense (like DT did with Images and Words). But outside of that (or perhaps SFAM), for DT I don't think it makes a lot of sense. None of their other records really struck a chord with a wide audience other than us (the hardcores).
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 04, 2018, 09:58:05 AM
I’ve never seen my personal favorite performed live... TOWHTSTS.

Love that song!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j72Q0WiyoBc
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: PetFish on April 04, 2018, 03:13:41 PM
 :metal
I think they should throw in a couple of songs to celebrate. I'd love to Only A Matter Of Time and A Fortune In Lies

-1
/notsigned™

They've played these to death and we have so many official live versions already, same with Status Seeker, Ytsejam, and Afterlife, enough is enough.  I remember not caring much for Light Fuse and Get Away or even The Ones Who Help to Set The Sun, until I saw them live on the official bootleg, now they are sweet, and the LFaGA unisons are crazy so I'd much rather hear those or The Killing Hand.


That’s what I meant with this thread. I’m pretty sure no one wants them to play WDADU in full for a whole tour, I just think they should add a couple songs to the set because it’s material that gets rarely played and some songs like TKH are amazing live.

I think the best thing to do would be to put in one or two songs each show, but rotate them with others on whatever the album is that's having the anniversary, and then by the end you could put a live collection together to represent the full album.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: pg1067 on April 04, 2018, 03:54:53 PM
:metal
I think they should throw in a couple of songs to celebrate. I'd love to Only A Matter Of Time and A Fortune In Lies

-1
/notsigned™

They've played these to death and we have so many official live versions already, same with Status Seeker, Ytsejam, and Afterlife, enough is enough.  I remember not caring much for Light Fuse and Get Away or even The Ones Who Help to Set The Sun, until I saw them live on the official bootleg, now they are sweet, and the LFaGA unisons are crazy so I'd much rather hear those or The Killing Hand.


Although OaMoT appears on the Budokan release and WDADRU, it certainly hasn't been "played to death."  In the Labrie era, it was a regular on the several legs of the I&W tour but has only been played since then at 19 shows on the ToT tour in 2003 and 2004.  TOWHtStS is obviously more rare (only 11 performances since 1994 and only officially released on WDADRU).  TKH has been performed more frequently but also not since 2004.  LFaGA is, as far as I can tell, the least performed album track, having only been played four times in the Labrie era (twice in 1993 and twice in 2004).

One issue with some of these very old songs is whether JLB can sing them or come up with reasonable alterations of the vocals to fit his current abilities.  The "I'm in the valley" section of TKH would probably be pretty tough if he tried to do it the way he used to do it.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: ? on April 05, 2018, 02:05:00 AM
Didn't JP mention in an interview that OAMOT was originally in the setlist for the AFTR tour, but they dropped it to avoid making the show too long? I could see them bringing back that one and maybe TKH, which is one of the most popular songs on the album, but I think Status Seeker, LFAGA and (sadly) TOWHTSTS will most likely never be played again.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: MirrorMask on April 05, 2018, 02:54:07 AM
I'd take You Not Me over The Ones. Sorry for those of you who like the song.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: DTA on April 05, 2018, 06:31:19 AM
Didn't JP mention in an interview that OAMOT was originally in the setlist for the AFTR tour, but they dropped it to avoid making the show too long? I could see them bringing back that one and maybe TKH, which is one of the most popular songs on the album, but I think Status Seeker, LFAGA and (sadly) TOWHTSTS will most likely never be played again.

I was lucky enough to see The Ones... in Philly when they were adding in random songs from WDADU on the ToT tour, but LFAGA and SS are two songs I absolutely must hear before they retire. You're right in that they're probably the most obscure and least likely candidates for inclusion in future setlists, but who knows.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: gzarruk on April 05, 2018, 08:33:59 AM
Didn't JP mention in an interview that OAMOT was originally in the setlist for the AFTR tour, but they dropped it to avoid making the show too long? I could see them bringing back that one and maybe TKH, which is one of the most popular songs on the album, but I think Status Seeker, LFAGA and (sadly) TOWHTSTS will most likely never be played again.

Yes, I remember this too. Hope they decide to add at least this one to the set for the next tour cycle.

I'd take You Not Me over The Ones. Sorry for those of you who like the song.

(https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/but-why.gif)
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: MirrorMask on April 05, 2018, 11:39:01 AM
Because I never heard it live, and I think that for what it is, it's actually a decent song that could work well live. Never got into The Ones... instead.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 05, 2018, 12:48:21 PM
Being a fan from 1989 but only first seeing them live in 1993, I feel fortunate to have attended the "WDaDR" show. But I agree with those who feel that the anniversary thing is pretty played out. It would be nice to at least have them include one or two songs from the album in the set, but that's about all I'd expect they would. And given both their current history of static setlists and tendency to drop songs that don't get much of a reaction from the audience, I'm pretty sure at best we'll see the 3 that have already been played by the current lineup. Maybe they might surprise us with TKH or OaMoT, but I wouldn't bank on it. And there's no hope of seeing SS, LFaGA and TOWHtStS despite the fact that I really like the latter two, and even SS isn't bad aside from the lame intro.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Architeuthis on April 05, 2018, 01:02:16 PM
And I've still never heard the album to this day.. Only live versions of some songs with JLB.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: gzarruk on April 05, 2018, 02:15:26 PM
And I've still never heard the album to this day.. Only live versions of some songs with JLB.

Actually, it's much better than people usually say it is.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: ytserush on April 05, 2018, 06:07:26 PM
As much as I pay to see them do this (as it's a big favorite of mine) I realize the likelihood of them doing this is about the same as Rush playing a concert on a cruise ship.

They've left enough of a record to satisfy me though.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Madman Shepherd on April 05, 2018, 09:19:45 PM
And I've still never heard the album to this day.. Only live versions of some songs with JLB.

Actually, it's much better than people usually say it is.

No doubt, although the production is as bad as people say it is.  Charlie sounds pretty awesome on the songs too.  He's got a pretty unique voice.  Doesn't have the power or the range that James has but he makes up for that with a really distinct style.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Architeuthis on April 05, 2018, 09:28:59 PM
I've been meaning to buy the album for many years but haven't got around to it.  It sure has a lame album cover, if not cringeworthy. I know the music is good though..
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: gzarruk on April 05, 2018, 10:32:51 PM
And I've still never heard the album to this day.. Only live versions of some songs with JLB.

Actually, it's much better than people usually say it is.

No doubt, although the production is as bad as people say it is.  Charlie sounds pretty awesome on the songs too.  He's got a pretty unique voice.  Doesn't have the power or the range that James has but he makes up for that with a really distinct style.

I agree. Charlie might not be the best vocalist out there, but he really did a good job on the album. I think the only vocal part I don’t like is “I am the killing haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand” :lol

About the production, the album would benefit a lot from a remix or even a re recording. Wouldn’t be a bad idea to remix the whole thing and release it for the 30th anniversary.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 05, 2018, 11:12:31 PM
About the production, the album would benefit a lot from a remix or even a re recording. Wouldn’t be a bad idea to remix the whole thing and release it for the 30th anniversary.
I agree about it being a great idea, but seeing as the band doesn't have the rights to the original tapes, a remix will never happen. There are the promo-single remixes of SS and Afterlife, which definitely sound better, but unfortunately it's just those 2 tracks, and they were never included as bonus tracks when WDaDU was reissued, so it's highly unlikey that they would now.

And the rerecording has already been done. Yes, WDaDR is a live release, but that's as close to a rerecording as we'll ever see.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Cool Chris on April 05, 2018, 11:37:03 PM
"Charlie sounds pretty awesome?" No, not really.

Remix/Re-record the album? Not really to that either. Let's not treat art as something dynamic like we are George Lucas. The album is what it is. Let's accept it for that.

Edit... in fairness to Charlie, he was given some very, very difficult lines and phrasings to sing, and I am sure most of us would agree he did his best, and the result was anywhere between mediocre to good, which, unfortunately wasn't good enough to elevate the album to a higher level. James would be given even more difficult material on the next album. Fortunately for him and for us all, he delivered an A+.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on April 06, 2018, 06:31:54 AM
While WDaDU is in the top-half of their discography for me, I have to agree that they definitely should not do the whole album for a tour. They already did that 15(!!!) years ago. But since that show/tour in 2004, most of the songs had been all but retired until 2011. It would be nice to get at least one or two for the next tour, but they don't need to make a big production about it being the anniversary. Just play the songs, and leave room to play songs off every other album (except I&W). And for me personally, I would like to see the songs I have yet to see, which are Status Seeker, The Killing Hand, The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun, and Only a Matter of Time, but I wouldn't complain about getting any of the others if they play multiple songs.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 06, 2018, 01:15:35 PM
And for me personally, I would like to see the songs I have yet to see, which are Status Seeker, The Killing Hand, The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun, and Only a Matter of Time, but I wouldn't complain about getting any of the others if they play multiple songs.
For a second I thought you forgot to include LFaGA, but then I noticed you're in Boston, so you must've been at the 2004 show at the Orpheum then, right?  :)
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on April 06, 2018, 01:34:36 PM
I was! My first DT show as a fan (saw them in '98 opening for DP and ELP which was the first time I'd heard of them). I actually didn't even know WDaDU at the time, but I had done my research and figured out what song it was by the chorus. I thought it was a pretty cool tune at the time, though I didn't realize how rare it was until later. I've listened to that bootleg many times, and I think it's still a good song and sounds good live, but I'm not surprised it's never been played after that show.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Setlist Scotty on April 06, 2018, 01:53:05 PM
Yeah, it's disappointing that it's never been played since, but given that it's so obscure, it's not completely surprising. Just glad that I was at the same show as you, as well as the LA show since it is my favorite from WDaDU.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: rumborak on April 06, 2018, 02:18:12 PM
I would be fine with them playing a tune or two off the album if they gave those tunes a complete makeover. Like, reinterpret their own song, don't just play it as-is.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: MirrorMask on April 06, 2018, 04:02:52 PM
I would be fine with them playing a tune or two off the album if they gave those tunes a complete makeover. Like, reinterpret their own song, don't just play it as-is.

Isn't however more difficult to reinvent such difficult songs? with an easier, hard-rockish, 4/4 tune you can come up with a slightly different drum pattern, add some guitar licks here and there, change a bit the vocal melody to emphatize a passage, that kind of stuff. How do you reinvent Light Fuse and Get Away or Only a Matter of Time?
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Madman Shepherd on April 06, 2018, 05:18:38 PM
And I've still never heard the album to this day.. Only live versions of some songs with JLB.

Actually, it's much better than people usually say it is.

No doubt, although the production is as bad as people say it is.  Charlie sounds pretty awesome on the songs too.  He's got a pretty unique voice.  Doesn't have the power or the range that James has but he makes up for that with a really distinct style.

I agree. Charlie might not be the best vocalist out there, but he really did a good job on the album. I think the only vocal part I don’t like is “I am the killing haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand” :lol



Heh....yeeeeeah BUT I actually got the studio album after I heard WDADRU and my first impression of that line was from his last gig with the band.  That wasn't so great.  Then when I heard the studio version I was prepared for that line (especially after hearing LaBrie's Live at the Marquee screams) and I can say Charlie's album version was sure better than his live version. 

That's nitpicking though.  Also, whenever Charlie comes up I always have to make my obligatory statement about digging the Dominici band, especially Part 3.  Wish there were more. 
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: gzarruk on April 06, 2018, 05:57:31 PM
Agree about the O3 albums. Parts 2 and 3 are amazing, even though they took a little too much DT inspiration on a few songs. Charlie managed to come up with a great band for those albums and still wish they released another one.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on April 06, 2018, 07:33:06 PM
I'd take You Not Me over The Ones. Sorry for those of you who like the song.

This gets my vote too.  Even better, the demo version of You Or Me.  (No apologies.)
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Evai on April 07, 2018, 05:09:42 PM
I do think the remixed version makes the songs sound a lot better, despite the heavy compression.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Peter Mc on April 07, 2018, 06:48:37 PM
Personally, I feel the standard "anniversary" thing has been played-out.

I don't need to hear <album> in its entirety and in order, especially if it has songs they play all the time or have played into the ground.  I'd much rather hear rarely-played songs or alternate versions or perhaps a mini encore of the <album> having the anniversary.

We just passed the 20th for Falling Into Infinity (Fall 2017) and didn't get even a tiny peep of it live.  Granted, maybe they didn't want to mess up The Astonishing and only did a small Images & Words 25th tour, and didn't have room.  But, considering how much of FII we haven't heard live AT ALL, I would really love for them to re-energize those unreleased tracks at some point.

If they are indeed waiting for the 25th anniversary of FII then that'd be fine as well, but there's just too much great stuff that (musically) was happening during that time.

TL;DR - No, not another full run-through of WDADU, please.

They did do Hells Kitchen on the Images & Words tour and TOT is played pretty regularly. I take your point though about it not being officially recognised. I suppose the 25th anniversary of Images took precedence.

Can’t see them making a fuss of WDADU after they already celebrated that album on it’s 15th anniversary. Would be great to hear any of those songs on the next tour though. Production is not great on the album and the remaster didn’t help it an awful lot. That being said, there are some really great songs on there and DT fans shouldn’t be afraid to check it out because it’s a different singer or because it seems to get talked down on the forum. I actually think it’s in the top half of their catalogue. A Fortune In Lies, Afterlife, The Killing Hand, The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun and Only A Matter Of Time are all DT classics imo. Only song I’ve never been keen on is Light Fuse and Get Away.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: jammindude on April 08, 2018, 12:20:13 PM
Once again....I’m the weird one. I never got the overwhelming praise for Only a Matter of Time. Easily my least favorite on the album. Just comes off as disjointed to me.

1. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
2. The Killing Hand
3. Light Fuse and Get Away
4. Ytse Jam
5. Afterlife
6. Fortune in Lies
7. Status Seeker
8. Only a Matter of Time
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: rumborak on April 08, 2018, 05:52:16 PM
I would be fine with them playing a tune or two off the album if they gave those tunes a complete makeover. Like, reinterpret their own song, don't just play it as-is.

Isn't however more difficult to reinvent such difficult songs? with an easier, hard-rockish, 4/4 tune you can come up with a slightly different drum pattern, add some guitar licks here and there, change a bit the vocal melody to emphatize a passage, that kind of stuff. How do you reinvent Light Fuse and Get Away or Only a Matter of Time?

Not easy for sure, but they managed to make an acoustic version of Another Day, so there's definitely the potential.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Peter Mc on April 08, 2018, 07:23:48 PM
I remember them doing an incredible version of The Killing Hand on the SDOIT tour in London. It was a less over the top more bluesy (I think, it was a long time ago!) version and I remember some Petrucci stuff in it that almost brought me to tears of joy, it was that good. Would love to hear that again.

Also OAMOT the worst song on the album? Wash your mouth out!

Just kidding of course, just another example of why we love Dream Theater so much, they very rarely do filler, one persons worst song is another persons favourite.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: SeRoX on April 09, 2018, 08:49:25 AM
I just don't understand why they didn't bring TKH live. It's one of their best epic with intro Another Hand. I care less for the others.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Madman Shepherd on April 09, 2018, 11:16:35 AM
That was one of the few bummer things on WDADRU that they rearranged TKH, yet for the first time in quite a while actually played the album intro as opposed to Another Hand. Would have rather they done the full album arrangement since it was being played in full.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: pg1067 on April 09, 2018, 11:35:50 AM
Personally, I feel the standard "anniversary" thing has been played-out.

I don't need to hear <album> in its entirety and in order, especially if it has songs they play all the time or have played into the ground.  I'd much rather hear rarely-played songs or alternate versions or perhaps a mini encore of the <album> having the anniversary.

We just passed the 20th for Falling Into Infinity (Fall 2017) and didn't get even a tiny peep of it live.  Granted, maybe they didn't want to mess up The Astonishing and only did a small Images & Words 25th tour, and didn't have room.  But, considering how much of FII we haven't heard live AT ALL, I would really love for them to re-energize those unreleased tracks at some point.

If they are indeed waiting for the 25th anniversary of FII then that'd be fine as well, but there's just too much great stuff that (musically) was happening during that time.

TL;DR - No, not another full run-through of WDADU, please.

They did do Hells Kitchen on the Images & Words tour and TOT is played pretty regularly. I take your point though about it not being officially recognised. I suppose the 25th anniversary of Images took precedence.

FII and ToT are not albums that need anniversary recognition.  FII represents something of a depressing period in the band's career and, while it has its supporters, it's not generally recognized as a fan favorite.  ToT is typically better regarded, but there's nothing "special" about it that warrants any sort of anniversary recognition

If you're going to do any sort of anniversary recognition, it needs to be limited to albums like WDADU (first album), I&W (the album that broke them big) and maybe SFAM.  Otherwise, pretty much every year is the something-th anniversary of some album.


Once again....I’m the weird one. I never got the overwhelming praise for Only a Matter of Time. Easily my least favorite on the album. Just comes off as disjointed to me.

1. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
2. The Killing Hand
3. Light Fuse and Get Away
4. Ytse Jam
5. Afterlife
6. Fortune in Lies
7. Status Seeker
8. Only a Matter of Time

OaMoT is disjointed but TOWHtStS LFaGA aren't???
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: The Walrus on April 09, 2018, 11:49:44 AM
DT fans use more acronyms than the US military.  :lol
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: jammindude on April 09, 2018, 01:26:58 PM
Personally, I feel the standard "anniversary" thing has been played-out.

I don't need to hear <album> in its entirety and in order, especially if it has songs they play all the time or have played into the ground.  I'd much rather hear rarely-played songs or alternate versions or perhaps a mini encore of the <album> having the anniversary.

We just passed the 20th for Falling Into Infinity (Fall 2017) and didn't get even a tiny peep of it live.  Granted, maybe they didn't want to mess up The Astonishing and only did a small Images & Words 25th tour, and didn't have room.  But, considering how much of FII we haven't heard live AT ALL, I would really love for them to re-energize those unreleased tracks at some point.

If they are indeed waiting for the 25th anniversary of FII then that'd be fine as well, but there's just too much great stuff that (musically) was happening during that time.

TL;DR - No, not another full run-through of WDADU, please.

They did do Hells Kitchen on the Images & Words tour and TOT is played pretty regularly. I take your point though about it not being officially recognised. I suppose the 25th anniversary of Images took precedence.

FII and ToT are not albums that need anniversary recognition.  FII represents something of a depressing period in the band's career and, while it has its supporters, it's not generally recognized as a fan favorite.  ToT is typically better regarded, but there's nothing "special" about it that warrants any sort of anniversary recognition

If you're going to do any sort of anniversary recognition, it needs to be limited to albums like WDADU (first album), I&W (the album that broke them big) and maybe SFAM.  Otherwise, pretty much every year is the something-th anniversary of some album.


Once again....I’m the weird one. I never got the overwhelming praise for Only a Matter of Time. Easily my least favorite on the album. Just comes off as disjointed to me.

1. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
2. The Killing Hand
3. Light Fuse and Get Away
4. Ytse Jam
5. Afterlife
6. Fortune in Lies
7. Status Seeker
8. Only a Matter of Time

OaMoT is disjointed but TOWHtStS LFaGA aren't???

At least those 2 have choruses....and said chorus gets repeated in the song. Does OAMOT even have a chorus?
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: MirrorMask on April 09, 2018, 03:02:57 PM
Only a Matter of Time has no chorus.
Only a Matter of Time needs no chorus.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/bywpTlG6k9jfsuXb4SBe8Nxn7g-spBCDI25B0ig6uAVHfGwcFjB3SOtQYYi-G8mV911tuKI=s144)
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: pg1067 on April 09, 2018, 03:45:33 PM
Personally, I feel the standard "anniversary" thing has been played-out.

I don't need to hear <album> in its entirety and in order, especially if it has songs they play all the time or have played into the ground.  I'd much rather hear rarely-played songs or alternate versions or perhaps a mini encore of the <album> having the anniversary.

We just passed the 20th for Falling Into Infinity (Fall 2017) and didn't get even a tiny peep of it live.  Granted, maybe they didn't want to mess up The Astonishing and only did a small Images & Words 25th tour, and didn't have room.  But, considering how much of FII we haven't heard live AT ALL, I would really love for them to re-energize those unreleased tracks at some point.

If they are indeed waiting for the 25th anniversary of FII then that'd be fine as well, but there's just too much great stuff that (musically) was happening during that time.

TL;DR - No, not another full run-through of WDADU, please.

They did do Hells Kitchen on the Images & Words tour and TOT is played pretty regularly. I take your point though about it not being officially recognised. I suppose the 25th anniversary of Images took precedence.

FII and ToT are not albums that need anniversary recognition.  FII represents something of a depressing period in the band's career and, while it has its supporters, it's not generally recognized as a fan favorite.  ToT is typically better regarded, but there's nothing "special" about it that warrants any sort of anniversary recognition

If you're going to do any sort of anniversary recognition, it needs to be limited to albums like WDADU (first album), I&W (the album that broke them big) and maybe SFAM.  Otherwise, pretty much every year is the something-th anniversary of some album.


Once again....I’m the weird one. I never got the overwhelming praise for Only a Matter of Time. Easily my least favorite on the album. Just comes off as disjointed to me.

1. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
2. The Killing Hand
3. Light Fuse and Get Away
4. Ytse Jam
5. Afterlife
6. Fortune in Lies
7. Status Seeker
8. Only a Matter of Time

OaMoT is disjointed but TOWHtStS LFaGA aren't???

At least those 2 have choruses....and said chorus gets repeated in the song. Does OAMOT even have a chorus?

No, but so what?

Other songs that have no choruses:  Metropolis Part 1, Suicide Solution, Jacob's Ladder.

Other songs that have choruses:  We Built This City, Call Me Maybe, Friday.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: jammindude on April 09, 2018, 03:52:47 PM
 The subject was not whether or not courses made something good. The topic was whether or not a song is disjointed. Even if you don’t like a song, I don’t think having a repeating and memorable chorus  can possibly qualify something as disjointed. 

 I feel like you traded subjects mid conversation.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: pg1067 on April 10, 2018, 10:38:27 AM
The subject was not whether or not courses made something good. The topic was whether or not a song is disjointed. Even if you don’t like a song, I don’t think having a repeating and memorable chorus  can possibly qualify something as disjointed. 

 I feel like you traded subjects mid conversation.

No.  You're the one who mentioned choruses, and I couldn't figure out why.  Apparently you think the presence of a "repeating and memorable chorus" precludes a song from being "disjointed."  I don't happen to agree or really understand why you think that, but at least I see where you're coming from.  Moreover, to the extent you were implying that the lack of a chorus necessarily makes a song "disjointed," I think the examples I gave demonstrate otherwise.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: The Walrus on April 10, 2018, 11:23:21 AM
A song can have a memorable chorus and be disjointed in other ways
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: gzarruk on April 10, 2018, 11:27:13 AM
A song can have a memorable chorus and be disjointed in other ways

The Count of Tuscany.
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: PetFish on April 10, 2018, 10:59:54 PM
A song can have a memorable chorus and be disjointed in other ways

Dark Eternal Night
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: jammindude on April 11, 2018, 07:00:00 AM
I don’t see see those songs as “disjointed”
Title: Re: Next year is the 30th anniversary of WDADU
Post by: Cool Chris on April 11, 2018, 05:52:00 PM
The most glaring thought that entered my head as I listened to this album recently was "Good lord, did it occur to JP/KM how difficult it would be for someone to sing the vocal lines they wrote?"