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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: WildRanger on March 30, 2018, 11:20:57 AM
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Do you agree or disagree?
If you disagree let's see your (objective) arguments.
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What aspect of drumming?
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Buddy Rich appeared on The Muppet Show. Thus this statement is true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr2dTquPuaY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJh9W3Gcpmo
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>objectively
The cursed word
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First off, silly thread is silly because ^^^
Neil himself would tell you Buddy is better, but of course fans will differ.
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I think that Neil is objectively better at drumming with a purple nose.
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When rated among their time and peers, sure...maybe. I think Buddy was doing stuff a lot of his peers weren't doing at the time, but the scope of drumming was a bit narrower back then - there wasn't a lot of focus on weird polyrhythms or odd meters, or anything too fancy, just speed and licks, and doing some amazingly fast acrobatics around the kit, and Buddy excelled at that. Neil, on the other hand, compared to other rock and prog drummers of the 70's and 80's, did a lot of the same stuff Neil was doing, but a few might have done some things better. Neil excelled in some aspects, but I think other drummers like Bill Bruford or Terry Bozzio did some things that Neil was not doing, either because he couldn't or just didn't want to/wasn't interested.
I think if Buddy and Neil were of the same generation of drummers, it might be a tight race, but I think Buddy was just slightly ahead of everyone during his time while Neil was at the front with others. However, I'm sure a topic like this could never be truly objective considering both drummers were from different times, and that Buddy even directly influenced Neil.
Then again, I could be WAY OFF BASE here as I'm not as intimately knowledgeable about Buddy Rich as other drummers here might be, but I do know he was an amazing drummer with great showmanship and insane chops! During my high school days, when I started learning drum set, I watch a TON of drumming videos online (before YouTube made them easily available), and Buddy was one of the few I focused on a lot (with Neil being another, of course), so back then, I probably could've told you more about him than I remember now.
-Marc.
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I used to have little opinion on Buddy Rich, but then I saw a video of him calling drummers with non-classical grip morons essentially.
So, NP is objectively the better drummer.
EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0V4Aqs2D48
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Yes. Buddy Rich is the better drummer, and the better asshole.
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I don't like rating drummers especially famous drummers because for the most part they're very good at their respective fields so it's kind of pointless picking one above someone else unless they're doing the exact same thing.
My take on it would probably be like Neil Peart has influenced mainly progrock/metal drummers while Buddy has influenced a world of drummers in whatever genre, something like that.
The thing is Buddy Rich was THE drummer in his prime, nobody could match him.
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How long before you run out of questions?
To quote Faltstaff, 'Discretionary posting is the better part of valor.'
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How long before you run out of questions?
and it's not as if OP is actively contributing to most of the 'discussions' he starts. It truly amazes me how long this shite has been going on already.
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Yeah GMD has become a pretty bad subforum in the past few months considering most of these threads should be in polls & survivors
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How long before you run out of questions?
and it's not as if OP is actively contributing to most of the 'discussions' he starts. It truly amazes me how long this shite has been going on already.
Hey, if you don't like them, you can just ignore them. Even if his threads currently account for 18% of the threads on the first page.
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So, if I don't like something I should just stay silent? That seems like a strange way to voice my discontent with the current state of GMD, although it may very well seem I'm just like a skipping record, I've said similar things more often.
I find it curious to say the least that nobody else is seeing through the facade of of these threads. Yeah, it generates 'discussion', sure, but it's usually just a couple of people going back and forth and often it's just random answers to whatever question gets asked. It's not as if people here are asking for a new question / poll every day and it certainly does not warrant a new thread every day. Here's an idea: let WildRanger open a thread called the 'Daily GMD Question' and post whatever the hell is on his mind tomorrow and the day afterwards in there. Room for lots of potential discussion, without flooding GMD with pointless one-dimensional questions that leave little room for personal interpretation.
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How long before you run out of questions?
and it's not as if OP is actively contributing to most of the 'discussions' he starts. It truly amazes me how long this shite has been going on already.
Hey, if you don't like them, you can just ignore them. Even if his threads currently account for 18% of the threads on the first page.
This is brushing up against understanding the problem but just not quite getting it
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It is neither objective, nor subjective....and yet it’s both...
;)
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Oh I was being ironic. Sorry.
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Well then, I must have misunderstood :)
I still stand by what I said and the solution I suggested though (not directed at you personally, Adami).
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But Adami is correct. If you don't want to look in a thread, don't look in it. This isn't your personal platform to bash other users because you don't like the content of their threads. Further such posts will result in warnings and/or bans for those engaging in such conduct.
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Still lots of users are currently annoyed by the frequency in which random question threads appear. I'm merely objectively stating what's going on, voicing my discontent and even offering a solution to solve this. I honestly do not see why that is wrong.
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Still lots of users are currently annoyed by the frequency in which random question threads appear. I'm merely objectively stating what's going on, voicing my discontent and even offering a solution to solve this. I honestly do not see why that is wrong.
Not only this, but bosk, I don't see 'bashing' here - much like when you have said in other situations that there is no bashing going on (see the Sons of Apollo thread), I don't see bashing here, I see genuine concern over how much space is being taken away from other threads with actual substantive discussion and less nebulous concepts being repeated daily, sometimes hourly. Respectfully, I also strongly believe there's nothing wrong with that...
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But Adami is correct. If you don't want to look in a thread, don't look in it. This isn't your personal platform to bash other users because you don't like the content of their threads. Further such posts will result in warnings and/or bans for those engaging in such conduct.
There's already a subforum for polls and survivors, and it isn't general music discussion.
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But Adami is correct. If you don't want to look in a thread, don't look in it. This isn't your personal platform to bash other users because you don't like the content of their threads. Further such posts will result in warnings and/or bans for those engaging in such conduct.
There's already a subforum for polls and survivors, and it isn't general music discussion.
While you are 100% correct here, I have a feeling some folks here don't even realise P&S exists, hence would not even think to go there. Some probably try to pretend P&S doesn't exist, but that's a whole 'nother story. That subforum should really be just called Survivors or Forum Games or something, unless we're suddenly going to start using it for the first half of its title.
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Buddy Rich is such a dick he's causing a huge controversy on this forum. :lol
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He was a dick long, long before dtf.org came in to being.
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He was a dick long, long before dtf.org came in to being.
Chris, I am old and have this knowledge. :lol
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Hey, if you are such a dick, you are able to create controversy 30 years after your death, I tip my hat at you. That's like next level trolling.
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He was a dick long, long before dtf.org came in to being.
And Ritchie Blackmore was an egoistic dick but he is one of the most talented rock guitarists. Someone's personality is one thing, and musical talent and musicianship is something else.
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Hey, if you are such a dick, you are able to create controversy 30 years after your death, I tip my hat at you. That's like next level trolling.
Especially from the grave!
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I consider Buddy Rich to be the greatest drummer of all time so no arguments here.
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"Better" or "worse" when we are talking about music or taste, is entirely subjective. What makes a drummer "better" than another? How fast they play? How technical? Each musician is unique. I prefer Neil Peart as a drummer, but I wouldn't say he is better/worse than anyone.
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I consider Buddy Rich to be the greatest drummer of all time so no arguments here.
Agreed. He is the king of drums.
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Hard to compare but I've used this analogy before.
Buddy Rich - Arnold Palmer (brought the sport widespread popularity)
Neil Peart - Jack Nicklaus (Took it to another level and inspired generations)
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What's the standard? Because to say something is "objectively" something, it has to be measured against an agreed to standard. What's the standard?
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There is no standard. Your "standard" will probably be completely different to mine, and my "standard" will be completely different to the next person's. Anyone who thinks otherwise is lying to themselves. It sounds blunt and harsh, but that's the truth.
If the question was something like "Do you prefer Buddy Rich to Neil Peart?", then we'd be having a totally different discussion rather than going on these tangents about objectivity vs subjectivity and the like.
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I don't disagree with that at all; but if you're going to claim something is "objective" it ought to be measurable.
"Back In Black" is a better album than "For Those About To Rock"...
... based on album sales and number of songs in the setlist from that point forward? OBJECTIVE.
... because one person, in this case, me, listens to BiB more often? OBJECTIVE. (Someone can, if they wanted, count the number of times I've listened to it)
... because I like it better? SUBJECTIVE.
You'll note that the best critics (in the classic sense of the word) will almost NEVER base their conclusions on "I like it!" but will almost always give a context to any conclusion they draw.