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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: WildRanger on March 29, 2018, 12:00:06 PM
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What would you say?
Aerosmith are huge American rock legends. Would you put them in the same league with British greats?
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Without question, and I'm not even a fan... you inquisitive bastard.
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What's your strange fascination with creating a new thread every day?
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Never heard of Aeromith. Ban(ne)d or otherwise. AeroSmith on the other hand...I'm not so sure. You're better off asking Americans about that. Pump's got some good tracks on it, and Pink is another favourite of mine. Otherwise, I'm not a good judge.
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I wouldn't put them in the same league. Aerosmith is good and all, but it was already the son of the great british bands. By the way, I like your topics. Keep making them! :tup
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I wouldn't put them in the same league. Aerosmith is good and all, but it was already the son of the great british bands. By the way, I like your topics. Keep making them! :tup
Chuck, I have a strange fascination with your avatar. I cannot stop watching it, but it terrifies me. It also makes some of your posts way funnier than they should be.
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I don't know about most of their music, but Just Push Play is an instant classic, wouldn't surprise me if that would be in the same league as the "British classic rock greats".
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6b/Aerosmith_-_Just_Push_Play.JPG/220px-Aerosmith_-_Just_Push_Play.JPG)
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I wouldn't put them in the same league. Aerosmith is good and all, but it was already the son of the great british bands. By the way, I like your topics. Keep making them! :tup
Chuck, I have a strange fascination with your avatar. I cannot stop watching it, but it terrifies me. It also makes some of your posts way funnier than they should be.
I'm glad. :lol
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I swear I was born in the wrong country.
It’s just hard for me to take American bands seriously because they are all blues based, simplistic, and tend to play it safe and repeat themselves.
British bands tend to be more experimental (except the Stones), adventurous, jazz based...etc...etc
That’s why I almost never put American bands on the same level as the Brits.
I will say that Aerosmith is a bit like an American Rolling Stones...and I would say even better. So I guess they get a pass for that reason.
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I swear I was born in the wrong country.
It’s just hard for me to take American bands seriously because they are all blues based, simplistic, and tend to play it safe and repeat themselves.
British bands tend to be more experimental (except the Stones), adventurous, jazz based...etc...etc
That’s why I almost never put American bands on the same level as the Brits.
I will say that Aerosmith is a bit like an American Rolling Stones...and I would say even better. So I guess they get a pass for that reason.
Except for Dream Theater. They were heavily influenced by the British bands, Yes, Maiden, Floyd, etc. They are also influenced from a three piece powerhouse from Canada. ;)
Metallica is another exception from the U.S.
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I swear I was born in the wrong country.
It’s just hard for me to take American bands seriously because they are all blues based, simplistic, and tend to play it safe and repeat themselves.
British bands tend to be more experimental (except the Stones), adventurous, jazz based...etc...etc
That’s why I almost never put American bands on the same level as the Brits.
I will say that Aerosmith is a bit like an American Rolling Stones...and I would say even better. So I guess they get a pass for that reason.
Except for Dream Theater. They were heavily influenced by the British bands, Yes, Maiden, Floyd, etc. They are also influenced from a three piece powerhouse from Canada. ;)
Metallica is another exception from the U.S.
Yeah, but the Brits have Iron Maiden, which absolutely freaking wipes the floor with Metallica, so we still lose. :biggrin:
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Take away the below two things, they would be an afterthought on the classic rock scrapheap.
1) Dream On
2) Videos on MTV in the late 80s with scantily clad hos.
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I'm not sure which "British classic rock greats" you have in mind, so hard to answer the question. But I've always disliked Aerosmith, so my vote would likely be "no."
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British bands tend to be more experimental (except the Stones), adventurous, jazz based...etc...etc
I don't see this at all. At all.
As for Aerosmith; are they equal to the Beatles, Zeppelin, or The Who? No. Are they the equal of Deep Purple, UFO, Priest, Def Leppard and Maiden? Yes.
I've seen 'smith live like 7 or 8 times, and they kill it every night. WAY better band live than on record; even their schmaltz is good live. Steven Tyler can still sing like it's 1974, and Joe Perry is a beast.
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Aerosmith are not culturally significant in the same way a lot of other bands are, so, no. A hundred years from now I doubt they'll be remembered much.
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Lol no.
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Aerosmith are not culturally significant in the same way a lot of other bands are, so, no. A hundred years from now I doubt they'll be remembered much.
I disagree strongly with this. Aerosmith are huge and iconic figures in American rock. They will be remembered, in fact they'll be one of the few rock bands remembered period that far into the future.
EDIT: Wikipedia basically sums up why, even though I'm not a fan, Aerosmith is so successful and will be remembered for generations:
Aerosmith is the best-selling American hard rock band of all time, having sold more than 150 million records worldwide, including over 70 million records in the United States alone.[21][22] With 25 gold albums, 18 platinum albums, and 12 multi-platinum albums, they hold the record for the most total certifications by an American band and are tied for the most multi-platinum albums by an American band. The band has scored 21 Top 40 hits on the Billboard Hot 100, nine number-one Mainstream Rock hits, four Grammy Awards, six American Music Awards, and ten MTV Video Music Awards. They were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2001, and were included among both Rolling Stone's and VH1's lists of the 100 Greatest Artists of All Time.[23] In 2013, the band's principal songwriters, Tyler and Perry, were inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame.
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Honestly, I think some of the negativity is in the popularity they achieved. They used <gasp!> outside songwriters, they had the dreaded "John Kalodner: John Kalodner" on many of their records, and they made the ultimate compromise: they made a deal with the machine to send their unique spirit through the filter to achieve the next level of stardom.
And more importantly, for all their foibles and troubles, how many bands have five original members after 45 years together and can still play and sing the hit off their first album as well as they did back then?
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Steven Tyler is an amazing vocalist.
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And more importantly, for all their foibles and troubles, how many bands have five original members after 45 years together and can still play and sing the hit off their first album as well as they did back then?
Can't think of any. A band like Aerosmith fits the first part of that though.
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Aerosmith as a band just doesn't feel -influential- in the way that the stones, the beatles, the who, the floyd etc. were. And I think that's the big difference, success doesn't necessarily mean influence
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Aerosmith as a band just doesn't feel -influential- in the way that the stones, the beatles, the who, the floyd etc. were. And I think that's the big difference, success doesn't necessarily mean influence
Hey, this is exactly how I feel about Deep Purple :D
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Chuck, I have a strange fascination with your avatar. I cannot stop watching it, but it terrifies me. It also makes some of your posts way funnier than they should be.
I've been meaning to say the same thing. I read all of his posts as though that guy is saying/screaming what he wrote. :lol :lol
As far as the question asked, I'd say Aerosmith is better than some British artists and not as good as others, but I only really like a small handful of Aerosmith songs and think Steven Tyler is, for the most part, a mediocre singer.
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Aerosmith as a band just doesn't feel -influential- in the way that the stones, the beatles, the who, the floyd etc. were. And I think that's the big difference, success doesn't necessarily mean influence
Hey, this is exactly how I feel about Deep Purple :D
Huh. I won't waste a breath on how influential Aerosmith is (Guns 'n' Roses, Motley, and Cinderella, pretty much is it) but Purple? Maiden generally, Bruce Dickinson specifically, UFO, Malmsteen, Scorpions... all influenced by Purple.
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Nevermind. Too many beers in to be coherent :lol
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Wow, this thread has me scratching my head.
Aerosmith is BY FAR the signature American Classic Rock Band. I don't even know who is close, to be honest. Lynyrd Skynrd, perhaps.
They have been successful in every decade they have been in existence.
Influence?? Really? How about every bar band for the last 40 years? They were the blueprint for every 5 piece hair metal band in the 80's. They translated to the 90's in bands like The Black Crowes.
Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin? Probably not, but I can't think of many other bands I'd put ahead of them from ANY country for success, influence, sustainability.
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It is rare that TAC is correct, but I think he is in this case.
And I am not even that big of a Aerosmith fan (like them, but would never call myself a big fan or pay to see them).
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It is rare that TAC is correct, but I think he is in this case.
It's even rarer that KevShmev is correct, but I think he is in this case.
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Nah, that's more medium rare than rare. :biggrin:
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Steven Tyler is an amazing vocalist.
Talent aside, someone who brought up the Stones comparison earlier, I will extend it further and saw Tyler had what Jagger had that made him special: Style. It's not important that you have the best singer, it's important that you have the right singer for your band. He was the right singer for Aerosmith. I just happen to hate his singing.
Honestly, I think some of the negativity is in the popularity they achieved. They used <gasp!> outside songwriters, they had the dreaded "John Kalodner: John Kalodner" on many of their records, and they made the ultimate compromise: they made a deal with the machine to send their unique spirit through the filter to achieve the next level of stardom.
Who the fuck is William T. Santiago John Kalodner? I don't know or care who writes someone's songs. I don't care if Aerosmith "made a deal with the machine." I won't knock them for their videos and using that to propel them to stardom. That was the way to the top in the late 80s/early 90s, but I won't effusively praise them for it either.
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British bands tend to be more experimental (except the Stones), adventurous, jazz based...etc...etc
I don't see this at all. At all.
Sorry. This is my bad. When I was thinking of "British Bands", my mind ventured into the British bands *I* listen to and consider influential. Not the "Big 4" we've been discussing recently. I was thinking of Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Camel...etc...etc....
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I don't really care if they match up or not. I just dig really Aerosmith. The drug days were the best. LOL When they got clean there are some good music there, not great like the old days but very good.
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I don't really care if they match up or not. I just dig really Aerosmith. The drug days were the best. LOL When they got clean there are some good music there, not great like the old days but very good.
Both had their high points. I was somewhat there for both. Even though the drug days gave us the classics. There were albums that were "all killer no filler" (like Rocks) and then there were some that had a couple of fantastic tunes and the rest was mostly just there. (Draw the Line comes to mind). The clean years had some similarities. I think Permanent Vacation and Pump are back to front good albums (even though Pump is so overplayed I'm sick of it), and then.....ya most of the rest of the rest of it is pretty much 2 or 3 great tunes and a bunch of filler. (for the record, I always loved Done With Mirrors as well. I know most people thought it was meh, but I think it's a very strong Aerosmith album. I even like it more than Draw the Line or Night in the Ruts)
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(for the record, I always loved Done With Mirrors as well. I know most people thought it was meh, but I think it's a very strong Aerosmith album. I even like it more than Draw the Line or Night in the Ruts)
Best post you've made in about three weeks! :lol
My favorite Aerosmith album: Night In the Ruts
My Second favorite: Done With Mirrors.
My Fist Your Face! :metal
That's For Sure :metal :metal
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(for the record, I always loved Done With Mirrors as well. I know most people thought it was meh, but I think it's a very strong Aerosmith album. I even like it more than Draw the Line or Night in the Ruts)
Best post you've made in about three weeks! :lol
My favorite Aerosmith album: Night In the Ruts
My Second favorite: Done With Mirrors.
My Fist Your Face! :metal
That's For Sure :metal :metal
Had to get some of my cred back. :hat
BTW, did *anyone* ever check out their last album? Just Push Play (outside of a couple of tracks) was mostly terrible. So much that I passed on an opportunity to pick up the special edition of that newer album that came out. The completist in me almost wishes I had picked it up anyway. But I swear I never heard a single note from that album. At least Just Push Play got turned into a car commercial. I don't even remember a title on the last one. But I know it had a B-movie cover.
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Chuck, I have a strange fascination with your avatar. I cannot stop watching it, but it terrifies me. It also makes some of your posts way funnier than they should be.
It's Fenriz! I used to have that avatar on my last.fm account for a long time.
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Just Push Play is a pretty dull album outside of a couple tracks.
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Had to look it up. Music From Another Dimension is what that album was called. Only sold a little over 100,000 units. Ouch. Even in todays market, that’s pretty bad for a band like Aerosmith. Considering Just Push Play still sold a million.
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I quite like Aerosmith but nope.
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I swear I was born in the wrong country.
It’s just hard for me to take American bands seriously because they are all blues based, simplistic, and tend to play it safe and repeat themselves.
British bands tend to be more experimental (except the Stones), adventurous, jazz based...etc...etc
That’s why I almost never put American bands on the same level as the Brits.
I will say that Aerosmith is a bit like an American Rolling Stones...and I would say even better. So I guess they get a pass for that reason.
That's not entirely true.
Artists that prove this wrong: Steely Dan, CSNY, Eagles, Kansas, Rush, Beach Boys, Frank Zappa, Bob Dylan.
I could continue with loads of younger bands.
I'm also a bigger fan of Brit rock that American rock, but they are not all simplistic, and repeat themselves.
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They're a greatest hits band for me, but there's no denying that they belong on the same pedestal as some of the other great rock bands of their era(s). I've seen them live twice (9 Lives Tour & Just Push Play Tour) and they were fantastic both times.
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I've seen Aerosmith live, and they totally kill it. I've been a fan since the 70's (Get Your Wings, Toys in the Attic, Rocks, etc.) so none of what happened in the 80's or beyond really matters that much to me. They made cheesy videos, they sold out, whatever. They rock hard, they bring the swagger and lust, they are an American Band. Like Deep Purple, they're one of my go-to bands when I want some good old-fashioned Rock and Roll, non-Prog.
All that said, I still can't put them in the same league as some of the top British bands, who somehow still take it to the next level. I can't even think of anything specific that defines what I've just said; there's just this "feeling" that they're "just an American band".
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I swear I was born in the wrong country.
It’s just hard for me to take American bands seriously because they are all blues based, simplistic, and tend to play it safe and repeat themselves.
British bands tend to be more experimental (except the Stones), adventurous, jazz based...etc...etc
That’s why I almost never put American bands on the same level as the Brits.
I will say that Aerosmith is a bit like an American Rolling Stones...and I would say even better. So I guess they get a pass for that reason.
That's not entirely true.
Artists that prove this wrong: Steely Dan, CSNY, Eagles, Kansas, Rush, Beach Boys, Frank Zappa, Bob Dylan.
I could continue with loads of younger bands.
I'm also a bigger fan of Brit rock that American rock, but they are not all simplistic, and repeat themselves.
Good point....but I would absolutely NOT put the Eagles on that list. I enjoy some of their stuff...and I even went on an Eagles “kick” as a teenager (had every album) ...but they are the very definition of overrated, formula, simplistic, and just plain boring. Ridiculous that that band is as huge as they are.
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I swear I was born in the wrong country.
It’s just hard for me to take American bands seriously because they are all blues based, simplistic, and tend to play it safe and repeat themselves.
British bands tend to be more experimental (except the Stones), adventurous, jazz based...etc...etc
That’s why I almost never put American bands on the same level as the Brits.
I will say that Aerosmith is a bit like an American Rolling Stones...and I would say even better. So I guess they get a pass for that reason.
That's not entirely true.
Artists that prove this wrong: Steely Dan, CSNY, Eagles, Kansas, Rush, Beach Boys, Frank Zappa, Bob Dylan.
I could continue with loads of younger bands.
I'm also a bigger fan of Brit rock that American rock, but they are not all simplistic, and repeat themselves.
Good point....but I would absolutely NOT put the Eagles on that list. I enjoy some of their stuff...and I even went on an Eagles “kick” as a teenager (had every album) ...but they are the very definition of overrated, formula, simplistic, and just plain boring. Ridiculous that that band is as huge as they are.
I don't rate Eagles high in my book. They were OK, had a few really good songs/singles, but that's it, generally their music was never something special.
I always thought The Doors are the greatest American band.
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Man, I personally rate the Eagles very high.
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After many years ( 3 decades or so ) of ignoring Aerosmith I was slowly trying to get on board with their early stuff. And then I saw the Kansas documentary and am now firmly back to my original position .
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Random thoughts from this thread:
- I respect what the Eagles have done, but I really can't stand them (especially Glenn Frey; I saw them on the Hell Freezes Over tour, and the show ground to a halt when he did his solo crap; Joe Walsh kills it though)
- Done With Mirrors is EXCELLENT; my favorite on there is "Reason A Dog", but it's all pretty good.
- Right In The Nuts is my favorite A-smith album; only Toys and Get Your Wings are close
- I like a lot of the post-drug era, but it's different. It's like listening to On Through The Night and Hysteria. Or Destroyer and Animalize.
- Just Push Play has some great melodies but the songs are really missing something; it's a cold album, and Aerosmith's charm was always their heat. Joe Perry hates that record.
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- Just Push Play has some great melodies but the songs are really missing something; it's a cold album, and Aerosmith's charm was always their heat. Joe Perry hates that record.
He has pretty much acquiesced to Tyler.
I'm not sure I have heard any of JPP, but was given a copy of Music From Another Dimension, and I literally couldn't get through half of it.
Post drugs...there's a lot of great stuff on Permanent Vacation, Get A Grip, and especially Pump.
My Aerosmith Top 5:
1. Night In The Ruts
2. Done With Mirrors
3. Get Your Wings
4. Rocks
5. Rock In A Hard Place
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After many years ( 3 decades or so ) of ignoring Aerosmith I was slowly trying to get on board with their early stuff. And then I saw the Kansas documentary and am now firmly back to my original position .
What's the connection there? Did Aerosmith come up in the Kansas documentary?
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So no one had even head Music From Another Dimension? Was it that bad?
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After many years ( 3 decades or so ) of ignoring Aerosmith I was slowly trying to get on board with their early stuff. And then I saw the Kansas documentary and am now firmly back to my original position .
What's the connection there? Did Aerosmith come up in the Kansas documentary?
Yes. Kansas opened for them on a tour and Steven Tyler trying pulling the plug on them at several shows, since they were killing it and Tyler is one of those insecure douches he hates an opening act doing well. Eventually, Robby Steinhardt (see: a huge man) got in his face and told him not to try that again...and he never did. :lol :lol
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Hilarious story.
Man, I personally rate the Eagles very high.
A wise man once called the Eagles "The rock band for people who hate rock." They had some good songs, and I appreciate they had a style, and allowed it to evolve with the times and the line-up changes. A wise man also once said "The Eagles are the only band to screw each other more than Fleetwood Mac." Notwithstanding, I don't have any thoughts on any of the guys personally. I'm never going to go out of my way to listen to them, and their heavy rotation on my classic rock station has burned me out on their hits.
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I get that. Let's be honest we all have those bands that are very famous that we don't like, they just don't click with us.
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So no one had even head Music From Another Dimension? Was it that bad?
Apparently, it was bad enough to turn an Aerosmith thread into an Eagles thread. :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I saw Aerosmith a handful of times between 1986 and 1990. Honestly, I never thought they were that great live, although the Pump stage was awesome.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QPSd0a9_cIc/hqdefault.jpg)
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I think they're up there with Purple, UFO and other similar level Brit bands. But, not The Beatles, Zep or The Who.
Agree with many folks here, Done with Mirrors is very good. It's Aerosmith playing what they should be, not really what came after.
Drug Era is obviously better, i'll go back and listen to the 1st LP or Toys any day but rarely will re-listen to Permanent Vacation or Pump.
Sweet Emotion is one of my all time favorite songs. The riffs and groove in that song is undeniable, love it.
One negative is that yeah, Steven Tyler is a douche!
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To this day, I have a crush on the blonde in the black bikini in the "Love In An Elevator" video.
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After many years ( 3 decades or so ) of ignoring Aerosmith I was slowly trying to get on board with their early stuff. And then I saw the Kansas documentary and am now firmly back to my original position .
What's the connection there? Did Aerosmith come up in the Kansas documentary?
Yes. Kansas opened for them on a tour and Steven Tyler trying pulling the plug on them at several shows, since they were killing it and Tyler is one of those insecure douches he hates an opening act doing well. Eventually, Robby Steinhardt (see: a huge man) got in his face and told him not to try that again...and he never did. :lol :lol
:lol That's awesome! I mean, dick move for Tyler, I'm glad he got told how it is.
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I love the Eagles. Frey and Henley have written fantastic melodies, and both Felder and Walsh are superb guitarists that somehow complete each other (hope I can say it like this in English). Plus, they have the best vocal harmonies ever in my opinion.
They did not just write a couple of good single hits. Hotel California is a great album from start (the famous title track) to finish (the epic Last Resort with its very interesting lyrics). In between, there are beautiful songs such as Wasted Time with its orchestral reprise on side two and Pretty Maids All In A Row, a often forgotten gem and personal favorite of mine.
The Long Run album is just as good in my opinion! Timothy B Schmid adds great vocals both in the harmony department and the lead vocals (I Can't Tell You Why is awesome).
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Aerosmith is one of the best live bands I've seen.
Done With Mirrors is very mediocre.
The post drug stuff is as good and sometimes even better than their earlier stuff, especially Pump and Get A Grip.
Music From Another Dimension is a good record but a little bit too long and has one or two ballads to much. Still worth a listen.
I like Aerosmith better than the Stones, the Beatles and the Who, but don't know if they are as influential.
PS: The Eagles are solid and The Doors are terrible.
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The Doors are terrible.
If they're terrible then how they achieved such a legendary status worldwide? Only a few American classic rock acts made it big and achieved a legendary status in Europe as they did in their homeland and The Doors are one very good example for that band.
I'm an European Aerosmith fan, but unlike The Doors Aerosmith is a band who didn't achieve a legandary status in Europe(as they have in the USA) and they didn't make a big impact here, because they failed to crack Europe at their best, classic period - 70's(Toys and Rocks are big classics in America but most of European rock public are not even familiar with those two gems).
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Now I know you're just doing it on purpose.
I know the Eagles are catchy and all. But the Doors were groundbreaking. I respect them more than any other rock band if only for what they did to Ed Sullivan.
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Do I have to make it clear that this is my personal opinion?
I don't care about influential and everything, I just can't listen to a Doors song without thinking that it's just boring me to tears.
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Ok. Your musical experience is based strictly on what you hear coming out of the speakers with no context. That's cool. Everyone is different. To each his own.
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So you not liking The Eagles is okay but me not liking The Doors is not, because context?
Okay, carry on, I'm outta here.
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If you take into account the 'musical impact/influence' a band has had and blindly add points for that I feel like you are letting history get in the way of your honest opinion of the music. I don't really have an opinion on either band though, since I have only heard one or two songs from both bands.
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Ok. Your musical experience is based strictly on what you hear coming out of the speakers with no context. That's cool. Everyone is different. To each his own.
With no context? Isn't thst a bit too much?
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I think this calls for an Eagles vs Doors poll!!
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The Doors are terrible.
You are so right on this.
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The Eagles are terrible.
Fix'd. ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1WJqKWqUHQ
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Full disclosure, I can take or leave both the Doors and the Eagles. But while the taste is subjective, there are some things here that kind of need some proof; like "the Doors are groundbreaking". What, actually, did they do that hadn't been done before and has been copied ad nauseum since? Maybe no bass player (which is sort of a myth; their studio albums ALL had significant bass playing on them). Jim Morrison? Except for the "exposing of the cock", nothing that Elvis, Mick Jagger, and Lou Reed hadn't done before, and, arguably, better.
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If anyone in mainstream rock did spoken word before Jim Morrison, I stand corrected.
That’s just off the top of my head.
There’s also the aforementioned incident with Ed Sullivan...which by itself earns my vote for one of the most awesome middle fingers in rock history. Every other rock band (most notoriously the Stones) begrudgingly complied to clean up their act or change lyrics for TV. But Sullivan ordered The Doors to change the lyric “girl we couldn’t get much higher” to something else. But when the live feed went out, Jim sang it as it was. Sullivan was livid and screamed at the band that they would never do the Sullivan show again. Jim responded “Man, we just did the Sullivan show!” Classic
I can think of more.
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like "the Doors are groundbreaking". What, actually, did they do that hadn't been done before and has been copied ad nauseum since?
For me personally, I think a more interesting question is: assuming a band (in this case The Doors) was indeed groundbreaking, how does that make them better musically by default in any way? That just sounds like faulty reasoning to me.
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If anyone in mainstream rock did spoken word before Jim Morrison, I stand corrected.
That’s just off the top of my head.
There’s also the aforementioned incident with Ed Sullivan...which by itself earns my vote for one of the most awesome middle fingers in rock history. Every other rock band (most notoriously the Stones) begrudgingly complied to clean up their act or change lyrics for TV. But Sullivan ordered The Doors to change the lyric “girl we couldn’t get much higher” to something else. But when the live feed went out, Jim sang it as it was. Sullivan was livid and screamed at the band that they would never do the Sullivan show again. Jim responded “Man, we just did the Sullivan show!” Classic
I can think of more.
Well, it's "classic", but is it "groundbreaking"? Jagger did as told, but he made it abundantly clear that he was doing something he was asked to do (he basically rolled his eyes). Jackie Mason gave Sullivan the finger a couple years before. Yeah, Morrison didn't like authority, but that's not new, he was just less subtle. "Will the people in the cheap seats, clap your hands. The rest of you, rattle your jewelry."
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Jim Morrison is the most overrated person in music history.
Puleeze!
It just my opinion but I don’t find anything remotely interesting or groundbreaking about the guy. He’s even less interesting than Kurt Cobain, and that’s saying something.
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There is a mystique about the music of the late 60's that will never go away. Acts like The Doors, Janis Joplin, Hendrix and CCR are acts I totally associate with the late 60's and that time in history; throw Woodstock (which happened in 1970) in there as well. To music fans of that time period, there is just something very special about that year or two in history, and it is impossible to disassociate acts like them from that brief, yet magical, era in music history.
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Jim Morrison is the most overrated person in music history.
Puleeze!
It just my opinion but I don’t find anything remotely interesting or groundbreaking about the guy. He’s even less interesting than Kurt Cobain, and that’s saying something.
I am so with you on that. I was watching Dan Rather's Big Interview with Robby Kreiger and John Densmore (who is out of his mind), and there played some clips of him on stage, and it was like watching that skit on SNL where the guy from the AT&T commercials is a grown man in a baby body. Zero stage presence, just running like a maniac then, invariably, whipping out his cock.
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I don't get the Morrison hate, dude had a fantastic voice, lovely to listen to in my opinion... greatest ever? Nah, but damn good
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I would never hold anyone liking his voice against them. I mean hell, people listen to Steven Wilson.
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Of all the 60s bands, I would also put Morrison as the greatest “poet”.....on par with Dylan. (who I really don’t like at all...but recognize his talent as a poet)
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Even as a US hard rock band, I would place them behind the likes of Bon Jovi, Guns N' Roses, Kiss, Van Halen, Metallica etc. Wouldn't put them anywhere near the likes of The Stones (not experimental? They played so many different styles of song) Sabbath, Led Zep, Purple, Maiden etc.
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Even as a US hard rock band, I would place them behind the likes of Bon Jovi, Guns N' Roses, Kiss, Van Halen, Metallica etc. Wouldn't put them anywhere near the likes of The Stones (not experimental? They played so many different styles of song) Sabbath, Led Zep, Purple, Maiden etc.
Behind Bon Jovi? Are you kidding?
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Even as a US hard rock band, I would place them behind the likes of Bon Jovi, Guns N' Roses, Kiss, Van Halen, Metallica etc. Wouldn't put them anywhere near the likes of The Stones (not experimental? They played so many different styles of song) Sabbath, Led Zep, Purple, Maiden etc.
Behind Bon Jovi? Are you kidding?
Yeah, I was going to say that too.
Aerosmith is on the same level as Kiss, Van Halen and Metallica, and the derivatives - Bon Jovi, Guns, Crue - are a step or two behind (well, Guns and Bon Jovi are a step, Crue is two or three).
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Bon Jovi and GNR made a much bigger worldwide impact than Aerosmith. Songs like Livin On A Prayer, Sweet Child Of Mine are bonafide classic songs known the world over. Bon Jovi may never have been particularly cool or fashionable or critics darlings but they can still sell out stadiums all over the world just on the strength and number of huge hit records.
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Bon Jovi is a flash in the pan. His first three albums are admittedly staples of the “hair metal” genre...but starting with New Jersey, it was all downhill. He’s a nostalgia act who keeps cashing in on a 5 year window from a distant past.
Aerosmith has had multiple radio staples *in three separate decades*... this isn’t even a contest.
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Bon Jovi may never have been particularly cool or fashionable or critics darlings but they can still sell out stadiums all over the world just on the strength and number of huge hit records.
They were all of the above.
Bon Jovi and GNR made a much bigger worldwide impact than Aerosmith.
Huh? Dream On? Walk This Way?
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Bon Jovi is a flash in the pan. His first three albums are admittedly staples of the “hair metal” genre...but starting with New Jersey, it was all downhill. He’s a nostalgia act who keeps cashing in on a 5 year window from a distant past.
Exactly how I'd describe GnR.
New Jersey is awesome, though..
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Heck the more I think about it, the more ridiculous that claim is.
Aerosmith’s most recent greatest hits package only contained all the stuff played constantly on the radio that I’m completely sick of.......and there were too many to fit on an 80 min CD....they had to make it 2 CDs. And that was just the crap I’m sick of.
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Bon Jovi is a flash in the pan. His first three albums are admittedly staples of the “hair metal” genre...but starting with New Jersey, it was all downhill. He’s a nostalgia act who keeps cashing in on a 5 year window from a distant past.
Exactly how I'd describe GnR.
New Jersey is awesome, though..
And you wouldn’t be wrong about GNR either....although I will admit. Appetite (for better or worse) was beyond huge. Maybe even the Back in Black of its time. So that does put their impact on a bigger scale.
As far as New Jersey goes, it just seemed like it was a slight step down from the first 3 albums....and kinda signaled the beginning of the end.
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Heck the more I think about it, the more ridiculous that claim is.
J Dude........WE ARE IN AGREEMENT
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Aerosmith first time round made no impact at all in Europe. It wasn't until Walk This Way (with Run DMC) and Pump era that they charted. Even then only 'Pump' and 'Get a Grip' really sold any volume, admittedly the horror that was 'I Don't Want to Miss a Thing' was huge. Bon Jovi on the other hand have been massive in Europe since 'Slippery' even their newer albums always chart in the top 5 in the UK.
Aerosmith's biggest selling album in the UK (Inc greatest hits) is Get a Grip with 300,000 sales. Bon Jovi have 6 albums sold more than that - and 3 of those have passed the million mark.
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It would seem that the question has at least two interpretations:
1. Is a band Aerosmith in the same league with British classic rock greats, to Americans?
2. Is a band Aerosmith in the same league with British classic rock greats, to Brits and maybe the rest of the world?
Most posters here are in the U.S., and Americans are notoriously Americentric. If something's big here, it's big. If it's big in the U.K., or not, we neither know nor care. Brits tend to be more aware of the U.S. market. Americans don't really give a shit about anywhere else.
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Van Halen and Kiss are probably the two that standout for me as huge in the US but more of cult bands in the UK. Kiss have had one top 40 single in the UK - it's Crazy, Crazy Nights...Van Halen are known for 'Jump' and that's it really. I guess you can throw in The Eagles too, everyone knows 'Hotel Cali' but after that the only other Eagles related song you hear is 'Boys of Summer'. Weirdly depict being a UK act Def Leppard were always much bigger in the US than the UK. Yet acts like The Doors, Metallica, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Bon Jovi have always been hugely popular in the UK, the latter two probably more popular thesedays over here.
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In fairness, how much would or should someone know or care about the markets of other countries? If someone asks me if Band X is big, aren't I naturally going to consider my local (meaning regional and national) markets? I am generally not going to be aware of what music is big in ZImbabwe. It's not a case of "not giving a shit" about other markets, but my local radio stations (and MTV when they played videos) are going to play what's popular here, not half way across the world.
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Don't agree on the last point. Rush are huge, but literally no one knows them in Europe.
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That's because for the most part, they stopped touring Europe. Towards the end they started touring in Europe again.
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If anyone in mainstream rock did spoken word before Jim Morrison, I stand corrected.
That’s just off the top of my head.
There’s also the aforementioned incident with Ed Sullivan...which by itself earns my vote for one of the most awesome middle fingers in rock history. Every other rock band (most notoriously the Stones) begrudgingly complied to clean up their act or change lyrics for TV. But Sullivan ordered The Doors to change the lyric “girl we couldn’t get much higher” to something else. But when the live feed went out, Jim sang it as it was. Sullivan was livid and screamed at the band that they would never do the Sullivan show again. Jim responded “Man, we just did the Sullivan show!” Classic
I can think of more.
:rollin I've heard that story of course but I've never heard that Morrison quote at the end ha ha!
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Don't agree on the last point. Rush are huge, but literally no one knows them in Europe.
Yep, apart from Britain they are an unknown band in most of Europe. Also they never cracked Australia.
In the USA (and Canada) they are super-known and have a very big following because they had a few radio hits and they have always toured there frequently unlike Europe where they toured only the UK many times and it resulted a solid British fanbase.
Rush is definitely not a worldwide band.