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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: WildRanger on March 21, 2018, 12:40:54 PM
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Which one?
For me Dirt is better by far.
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Wow! Two polls in one day!
Ten by Pearl Jam.
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Dirt.
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For me, its definitely dirt.
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Dirt has Rooster and Would? - those alone destroy Nevermind. But I don't like grunge, so...
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In this poll....Nevermind.
If Facelift or SG’s Louder Than Love were the competition, I would vote the other way.
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I think its gonna raiiiiin when I die
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Alice in Chains are not grunge. They are a metal band. Cantrell has said, and continues to say that, from the start. So I think you all know where I am going with the poll. :lol
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I have very little kind to say about Nirvana. I thought they were wanna-be pretender jokes then, and while I give props to Cobain for walking the walk (that's a lot more respectful than it sounds), I kinda think they are wanna-be pretenders now (I do like the Unplugged set, though).
I like Alice - a lot - but Dirt is my least favorite record by them; couple good songs - "Rooster", "Down In A Hole" - but a lot of it is pretty dark.
I'd vote for Alice, but literally any other Alice record would be a lot easier putt. And Soundgarden slays all of them.
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Alice in Chains are not grunge. They are a metal band. Cantrell has said, and continues to say that, from the start. So I think you all know where I am going with the poll. :lol
I don't get how are they metal. And which type of metal exactly?
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"Oh yeah? It's metal? W-well let me tell you some(https://i65.tinypic.com/eiv91h_th.gif)thing, Jerry. It's GRUNGE!"
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Alice in Chains are not grunge. They are a metal band. Cantrell has said, and continues to say that, from the start. So I think you all know where I am going with the poll. :lol
I don't get how are they metal. And which type of metal exactly?
The genre thing is an age-old argument that will never have an answer. Cantrell said himself (paraphrasing here) - they are heavily influenced by Black Sabbath and other traditional metal bands. Whereas a lot of "true" grunge bands have a lot of punk influences, which AiC does not.
Again, that's a paraphrase of Cantrell, not my thoughts. Although mine align with Cantrell's enough.
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I'm a big AIC fan so I voted for Dirt. I like Nevermind but Dirt just does it for me. Raw, heavy, dark, Cantrell's guitar tone, and those vocal harmonies. I'm more of a hard rock and metal guy. Nevermind had more of a pop & punk thing going on.
Dirt has stood the test of time. I still enjoy it now as much as I did when it was released.
Them Bones
Dam That River
Rain When I Die
Rooster
Junkhead
Dirt
Angry Chair
Down in a Hole
Would?
All great tracks. Probably one of the greatest sophomore releases by any band (if you don't count the Sap EP).
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Not really a huge fan of either, but AiC easily put out more solid material on a consistent basis than Nirvana, IMO. And, yeah, I'm not sure how AiC qualifies as "grunge" either. :lol
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I saw them last year on a summer festival tour and man were they good live. William and Jerry pull off that whole vocal thing like champs, live.
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Easy choice for me, I think Dirt is better than anything Nirvana has ever done.
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I worship Alice in chains and Dirt is awesome. I was a massive nirvana fan back when I was like 9 and I listened to nevermind way too much, and now I find it corny. Honestly I can't even listen to it anymore. When it comes to nirvana, I much prefer bleach and In utero which are still in usual rotation
Something in the way is awesome though
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Neither, but If I had to choose, Dirt because Nirvana sucks.
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Dirt is a beast of an album
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I like Nevermind for what it is, but AiC and Dirt is way better. Just listened to a few tracks over the weekend - Rooster, Down in a Hole and Would, all awesome tracks. Totally agree that they are a Metal Band, always were but just grouped in with the Grunge bands at the time, maybe because they came from Seattle, i know sounds stupid.
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As someone who listened to grunge from day one. Top 5 grunge albums
1. Louder Than Love - Soundgarden
2. Superfuzz Bigmuff - Mudhoney
3. Facelift - Alice In Chains
4. Nirvana - Bleach
5. Pearl Jam - Ten
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Pretty sure I'd vote for almost any album over Nevermind.
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As someone who listened to grunge from day one. Top 5 grunge albums
1. Louder Than Love - Soundgarden
2. Superfuzz Bigmuff - Mudhoney
3. Facelift - Alice In Chains
4. Nirvana - Bleach
5. Pearl Jam - Ten
1. Apple - Mother Love Bone
2. Badmotorfinger - Soundgarden
3. Temple Of The Dog - Temple Of The Dog
4. Ten - Pearl Jam
5. Facelift - Alice In Chains (I'd like to put SAP here, but it's too short)
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As someone who listened to grunge from day one. Top 5 grunge albums
1. Louder Than Love - Soundgarden
2. Superfuzz Bigmuff - Mudhoney
3. Facelift - Alice In Chains
4. Nirvana - Bleach
5. Pearl Jam - Ten
1. Apple - Mother Love Bone
2. Badmotorfinger - Soundgarden
3. Temple Of The Dog - Temple Of The Dog
4. Ten - Pearl Jam
5. Facelift - Alice In Chains (I'd like to put SAP here, but it's too short)
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Difficult for me to even count MLB. They were sort of a different animal than “grunge” to me. I bought Shine EP when it was new (I *REALLY* regret selling it now). I adored that EP so much and I was so excited for the album....and had even more anticipation when I learned of Andrew’s death before the release of the album. But....I was disappointed with the final product. There were some gems. Stardog Champion was an immediate standout, but I was mostly unthrilled with the rest. And the re-recording of Crown of Thorns sans Chloe Dancer was a major thumbs down for me. The original was a BILLION times better.
But MLB had potential. They were going to be a completely different contribution to the budding Seattle scene. Something that was more glam rock than grunge. They were so important....and it just ended too soon.
Initially, I was disappointed with Pearl Jam too. The lead single Alive (IMO) is not a very interesting song. After hearing it, I distinctly remember thinking, “Is this it???” But Jeremy, Black, and Evenflow convinced me that the band really did have something going for them.
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Top 5 grunge albums:
1. Pearl Jam - Ten
2. Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger
3. Stone Temple Pilots - Core
4. Nirvana - Nevermind
5. L7 - Bricks Are Heavy
My girlfriend at the time played Nevermind ALL THE F*CKING TIME. It's overplayed, sure, but there's a reason for that. I also wanted to include bands like Nine Inch Nails, Jane's Addiction, Faith No More, RHCP, RATM, etc that weren't strictly grunge but were very much part of that whole scene at the time.
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You've got to be choosing a very limited, post hoc definition of grunge to exclude Alice In Chains from the genre.
They were one of The Big Four of grunge, along with Nirvana (at the punk end), Soundgarden (also at the metal end) and Pearl Jam (slap bang in the middle) that were the very definition of the genre.
As for the poll: Dirt. I never quite got the appeal of Nirvana and probably haven't listened to anything off Nevermind other than Smells Like Teen Spirit since 1997 whereas I do still give Dirt a spin every now and then.
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I voted Nevermind along with not so many people apparently. :P I still dig that album alot!
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As someone who listened to grunge from day one. Top 5 grunge albums
1. Louder Than Love - Soundgarden
2. Superfuzz Bigmuff - Mudhoney
3. Facelift - Alice In Chains
4. Nirvana - Bleach
5. Pearl Jam - Ten
1. Apple - Mother Love Bone
2. Badmotorfinger - Soundgarden
3. Temple Of The Dog - Temple Of The Dog
4. Ten - Pearl Jam
5. Facelift - Alice In Chains (I'd like to put SAP here, but it's too short)
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Difficult for me to even count MLB. They were sort of a different animal than “grunge” to me. I bought Shine EP when it was new (I *REALLY* regret selling it now). I adored that EP so much and I was so excited for the album....and had even more anticipation when I learned of Andrew’s death before the release of the album. But....I was disappointed with the final product. There were some gems. Stardog Champion was an immediate standout, but I was mostly unthrilled with the rest. And the re-recording of Crown of Thorns sans Chloe Dancer was a major thumbs down for me. The original was a BILLION times better.
But MLB had potential. They were going to be a completely different contribution to the budding Seattle scene. Something that was more glam rock than grunge. They were so important....and it just ended too soon.
Initially, I was disappointed with Pearl Jam too. The lead single Alive (IMO) is not a very interesting song. After hearing it, I distinctly remember thinking, “Is this it???” But Jeremy, Black, and Evenflow convinced me that the band really did have something going for them.
I am a massive MLB fan, and I don't consider them to be "Grunge" at all. But here's the thing, as I know you know, Nirvana, Pearl Jam...those were the pop version of grunge if anything. Mudhoney, Green River, and bands even less popular than that really was the definition of the movement.
I'd argue that while Soundgarden certainly started as grunge, by the time they hit Badmotorfinger, they were not. They had become a heavy rock band. Just a natural evolution of them as players, and Chris as a songwriter. Alice, I am sorry, but AiC was never a grunge act. They were lumped in because of the time period and location, but nothing they released was grunge.
However, that said, "grunge" was just a label, right? :lol
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I suppose it's enough time now, but... there's another thread here for musicians you don't like because of their personal life. It's not exactly the same thing, but I thought then and think now that Kurt Cobain was a moderately talented, two-faced (not the right word, but "hypocrite" doesn't really fit either) dick who got lucky, right place right time.
He didn't want publicity - but his face was everywhere (with those ridiculous white glasses). "Oh I hate this band and I hate that band" but then tapes would come out of him playing songs from those bands. "Oh, I'm so progressive" and then he'd say something that was just the same old hate and bias but just pointed in another direction. "Oh, I'm not going to play my HITS". Please. There's a reason that - at least from this aging metalhead from Connecticut - it seemed like there was a tight knit group - from the ashes of Green River came Mudhoney and MLB and Pearl Jam, and Chris was there with Andy and Temple of the Dog, and Greg Gilmore (MLB drummer) playing on the Facelift sessions (Kinney broke his hand at the time) and Layne and McCready doing Mad Season (that almost made my list, BTW)... and yet Nirvana was nowhere to be found, and still aren't to this day.
Look, Gossard and Ament made NO BONES about wanting to be huge. Arm/Turner, and Cornell/Thayil wanted to stay pure. They all three accomplished what they wanted to accomplish (GREAT moment in the Pearl Jam 20 documentary where Gossard and Ament cop to all this and then say "at one point, we had to decide if this was OUR band anymore, or if it was Eddie's; he's a one of a kind and when a guy like that comes around, you hitch your wagon to his star. Tough pill to swallow, but you do what you have to do." Paraphrasing of course, but it's a really insightful, and honest, moment), with no apologies or regrets. Cobain? Oh, I wanted my album to sound like [name drops the coolest band he can think of]; what came out isn't what I wanted, but oh by the way, I'm not giving any of the money back or walking away from it. Then when they did the record with Albini, they went against their agreement and had REM producer Scott Litt remix it to make it more radio-friendly. Which is fine, but own it, man.
Harsh, maybe, but it's how I feel.
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Cantrell said himself (paraphrasing here) - they are heavily influenced by Black Sabbath and other traditional metal bands. Whereas a lot of "true" grunge bands have a lot of punk influences, which AiC does not.
What the fuck? Alice In Chains are grunge dude, pretty funny that apparently Cantrell isn't aware of this himself.
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Cantrell said himself (paraphrasing here) - they are heavily influenced by Black Sabbath and other traditional metal bands. Whereas a lot of "true" grunge bands have a lot of punk influences, which AiC does not.
What the fuck? Alice In Chains are grunge dude, pretty funny that apparently Cantrell isn't aware of this himself.
I don't agree, and apparently neither does Cantrell. :lol
Yeah, I am sure if you Googled a bit, you'd find Cantrell talking about how AiC is a metal band. I don't believe it was recent, in the last few years, but I read it multiple times in the past.
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NOTHING about AiC is grunge.
And I'll take a second to jump on the MLB wagon for a sec. I, too, was a big fan of Shine and Apple. (and I also had both, back in the day) I can't even remember how I stumbled upon them, but I liked them right from the get go. They were so different than anything else at the time. Too bad we never got to see them for a prolonged time.
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NOTHING about AiC is grunge.
And I'll take a second to jump on the MLB wagon for a sec. I, too, was a big fan of Shine and Apple. (and I also had both, back in the day) I can't even remember how I stumbled upon them, but I liked them right from the get go. They were so different than anything else at the time. Too bad we never got to see them for a prolonged time.
They would have been huge. I firmly believe that.
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I think so too.
On another tangent, for those who love the heavy-as-sludge guitar riffing, amazing vocal harmonies, and overall darkness of AiC's trademark sound, here's another band that was HEAVILY influenced by them in the mid-'90s before also folding up FAR too early after only two albums: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE4mgDkczck
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I think AiC is definitely grunge. We hear a lot of grunge at work here and AiC is in regular rotation and fits like a glove with everything else that gets played. But I also think grunge kind of overlaps rock and metal and isn't exclusive to one or the other (I don't think of 'grunge' the same as I do 'rock 'or metal' - it's a style that can, but isn't required to, use elements of both). I certainly won't stop calling them grunge.
I will say I cannot stand their song 'Rotten Apple.' If that song was on Dirt, I would easily vote for Nevermind just because I hate Rotten Apple so much. What an ugly, awful song.
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Are you being rotten about Rotten Apple, Kattoelox? :omg:
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Are you being rotten about Rotten Apple, Kattoelox? :omg:
Quite. :biggrin:
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Members of Soundgarden and Pearl Jam have also tried to distance themselves from the grunge label too. The artists themselves, particularly the main songwriters, can get precious about getting lumped into a bag with a bunch of other bands they don't feel represent them very well.
Tough. Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Nirvana and AiC all had way more in common with each other than they did with what'd been the popular form of hard rock/metal for the prior decade and the wider world ended up labelling what they were doing grunge. It might've been something of a misappropriation of a prior existing term for a particular sound but then "heavy" as a label for music meant something different in the 60s than it does now.
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I think what happened was that at first, they did have some things in common -- Seattle's scene was very tight knit, and still is. Everyone knows everyone and has/had played with each other in various groups and projects. But once these bands got established and made albums, they went different directions. AiC was metal, Pearl Jam was more rock, and Soundgarden held out, but eventually became alternative hard rock. Nirvana was changing too. That last song they had was going a more cerebral direction (forget the name of it, on the greatest hits CD).
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There are lots of different criteria we could use to determine where the dividing line is. I choose to keep it pretty simple: If it makes me want to vomit, it may be grunge. If it does not, it likely isn't.
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If it makes me want to vomit, it may be grunge. If it does not, it likely isn't.
I knew it, Meghan Trainor is grunge.
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I suppose it's enough time now, but... there's another thread here for musicians you don't like because of their personal life. It's not exactly the same thing, but I thought then and think now that Kurt Cobain was a moderately talented, two-faced (not the right word, but "hypocrite" doesn't really fit either) dick who got lucky, right place right time.
He didn't want publicity - but his face was everywhere (with those ridiculous white glasses). "Oh I hate this band and I hate that band" but then tapes would come out of him playing songs from those bands. "Oh, I'm so progressive" and then he'd say something that was just the same old hate and bias but just pointed in another direction. "Oh, I'm not going to play my HITS". Please. There's a reason that - at least from this aging metalhead from Connecticut - it seemed like there was a tight knit group - from the ashes of Green River came Mudhoney and MLB and Pearl Jam, and Chris was there with Andy and Temple of the Dog, and Greg Gilmore (MLB drummer) playing on the Facelift sessions (Kinney broke his hand at the time) and Layne and McCready doing Mad Season (that almost made my list, BTW)... and yet Nirvana was nowhere to be found, and still aren't to this day.
Look, Gossard and Ament made NO BONES about wanting to be huge. Arm/Turner, and Cornell/Thayil wanted to stay pure. They all three accomplished what they wanted to accomplish (GREAT moment in the Pearl Jam 20 documentary where Gossard and Ament cop to all this and then say "at one point, we had to decide if this was OUR band anymore, or if it was Eddie's; he's a one of a kind and when a guy like that comes around, you hitch your wagon to his star. Tough pill to swallow, but you do what you have to do." Paraphrasing of course, but it's a really insightful, and honest, moment), with no apologies or regrets. Cobain? Oh, I wanted my album to sound like [name drops the coolest band he can think of]; what came out isn't what I wanted, but oh by the way, I'm not giving any of the money back or walking away from it. Then when they did the record with Albini, they went against their agreement and had REM producer Scott Litt remix it to make it more radio-friendly. Which is fine, but own it, man.
Harsh, maybe, but it's how I feel.
You are not alone on your thoughts on Cobain. I always thought he was a mediocre talent and a charlatan. He wanted to play the fame game and it blew up on him. The rush to crown him a genius and a "gone too soon" type always felt media, particularly MTV, driven. He built up a carefully crafted persona and people ate it up.
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I think so too.
On another tangent, for those who love the heavy-as-sludge guitar riffing, amazing vocal harmonies, and overall darkness of AiC's trademark sound, here's another band that was HEAVILY influenced by them in the mid-'90s before also folding up FAR too early after only two albums: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE4mgDkczck
I had both albums. Thought they were good but I also thought they were a complete rip off of AIC. I viewed the band as a female AIC. If my memory serves me well, the lead singer is married to Tony Iommi. Lead vocalist & drummer did the harmonies. Wonder why they called it quits?
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I suppose it's enough time now, but... there's another thread here for musicians you don't like because of their personal life. It's not exactly the same thing, but I thought then and think now that Kurt Cobain was a moderately talented, two-faced (not the right word, but "hypocrite" doesn't really fit either) dick who got lucky, right place right time.
He didn't want publicity - but his face was everywhere (with those ridiculous white glasses). "Oh I hate this band and I hate that band" but then tapes would come out of him playing songs from those bands. "Oh, I'm so progressive" and then he'd say something that was just the same old hate and bias but just pointed in another direction. "Oh, I'm not going to play my HITS". Please. There's a reason that - at least from this aging metalhead from Connecticut - it seemed like there was a tight knit group - from the ashes of Green River came Mudhoney and MLB and Pearl Jam, and Chris was there with Andy and Temple of the Dog, and Greg Gilmore (MLB drummer) playing on the Facelift sessions (Kinney broke his hand at the time) and Layne and McCready doing Mad Season (that almost made my list, BTW)... and yet Nirvana was nowhere to be found, and still aren't to this day.
Look, Gossard and Ament made NO BONES about wanting to be huge. Arm/Turner, and Cornell/Thayil wanted to stay pure. They all three accomplished what they wanted to accomplish (GREAT moment in the Pearl Jam 20 documentary where Gossard and Ament cop to all this and then say "at one point, we had to decide if this was OUR band anymore, or if it was Eddie's; he's a one of a kind and when a guy like that comes around, you hitch your wagon to his star. Tough pill to swallow, but you do what you have to do." Paraphrasing of course, but it's a really insightful, and honest, moment), with no apologies or regrets. Cobain? Oh, I wanted my album to sound like [name drops the coolest band he can think of]; what came out isn't what I wanted, but oh by the way, I'm not giving any of the money back or walking away from it. Then when they did the record with Albini, they went against their agreement and had REM producer Scott Litt remix it to make it more radio-friendly. Which is fine, but own it, man.
Harsh, maybe, but it's how I feel.
You are not alone on your thoughts on Cobain. I always thought he was a mediocre talent and a charlatan. He wanted to play the fame game and it blew up on him. The rush to crown him a genius and a "gone too soon" type always felt media, particularly MTV, driven. He built up a carefully crafted persona and people ate it up.
That's actually around the time I stopped watching/listening to MTV with any regularity; Kurt Loder (who I also loathe) could barely conceal his adoration for everything Nirvana.
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Stads,
You really hit the nail on the head regarding the dynamic of what those bands wanted. I'd argue Cornell wanted some of that stardom too, however. Regarding Nirvana - never understood the fascination people have with Cobain. He was the worst musician in that band, and as we found out later, not the best songwriter. The media made him the poster child for a movement, and he fell into the trap. He got used the praise, but didn't want to do what was necessary once he was a "star." And then we all know what happened after that.
Pearl Jam is such an oddity. I loved MLB, and still do. And I love PJ's Ten, and most of Vs. After that, to my ears, they completely shied away from what I loved about them, which coincidentally ties into Stone and Jeff's thoughts on Eddie and his direction.
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I suppose it's enough time now, but... there's another thread here for musicians you don't like because of their personal life. It's not exactly the same thing, but I thought then and think now that Kurt Cobain was a moderately talented, two-faced (not the right word, but "hypocrite" doesn't really fit either) dick who got lucky, right place right time.
He didn't want publicity - but his face was everywhere (with those ridiculous white glasses). "Oh I hate this band and I hate that band" but then tapes would come out of him playing songs from those bands. "Oh, I'm so progressive" and then he'd say something that was just the same old hate and bias but just pointed in another direction. "Oh, I'm not going to play my HITS". Please. There's a reason that - at least from this aging metalhead from Connecticut - it seemed like there was a tight knit group - from the ashes of Green River came Mudhoney and MLB and Pearl Jam, and Chris was there with Andy and Temple of the Dog, and Greg Gilmore (MLB drummer) playing on the Facelift sessions (Kinney broke his hand at the time) and Layne and McCready doing Mad Season (that almost made my list, BTW)... and yet Nirvana was nowhere to be found, and still aren't to this day.
Look, Gossard and Ament made NO BONES about wanting to be huge. Arm/Turner, and Cornell/Thayil wanted to stay pure. They all three accomplished what they wanted to accomplish (GREAT moment in the Pearl Jam 20 documentary where Gossard and Ament cop to all this and then say "at one point, we had to decide if this was OUR band anymore, or if it was Eddie's; he's a one of a kind and when a guy like that comes around, you hitch your wagon to his star. Tough pill to swallow, but you do what you have to do." Paraphrasing of course, but it's a really insightful, and honest, moment), with no apologies or regrets. Cobain? Oh, I wanted my album to sound like [name drops the coolest band he can think of]; what came out isn't what I wanted, but oh by the way, I'm not giving any of the money back or walking away from it. Then when they did the record with Albini, they went against their agreement and had REM producer Scott Litt remix it to make it more radio-friendly. Which is fine, but own it, man.
Harsh, maybe, but it's how I feel.
You are not alone on your thoughts on Cobain. I always thought he was a mediocre talent and a charlatan. He wanted to play the fame game and it blew up on him. The rush to crown him a genius and a "gone too soon" type always felt media, particularly MTV, driven. He built up a carefully crafted persona and people ate it up.
That's actually around the time I stopped watching/listening to MTV with any regularity; Kurt Loder (who I also loathe) could barely conceal his adoration for everything Nirvana.
Kurt Loder. Ha!! He was the engine driver of the "Kurt Cobain is a Rock God!" hype train.
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Kurt Loder. Ha!! He was the engine driver of the "Kurt Cobain is a Rock God!" hype train.
Interestingly, it seems that when Cobain shot himself, he also shot MTV's influence on music. There is a marked difference in how MTV showed music videos as the center piece of the show, to using music as a background to the show. And, slowly but surely, they stopped showing music videos at all. When Kurt Loder cried on the MTV news special announcing Kurt Cobain's death, he may have also been mourning for the end of music videos on MTV, and his career.
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Kurt Loder. Ha!! He was the engine driver of the "Kurt Cobain is a Rock God!" hype train.
Interestingly, it seems that when Cobain shot himself, he also shot MTV's influence on music. There is a marked difference in how MTV showed music videos as the center piece of the show, to using music as a background to the show. And, slowly but surely, they stopped showing music videos at all. When Kurt Loder cried on the MTV news special announcing Kurt Cobain's death, he may have also been mourning for the end of music videos on MTV, and his career.
I think that may have been the highwater mark of MTV's influence on music. Things sort of limped along until about 2000/2001, and then fell off the cliff.
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BTW Kurt Loder is 72. Woah.
I remember him being the face of MTV news every 30 minutes during the day. Before the internet was a big thing, that's where we would get our info about music. It was Loder or Tabitha Soren doing the clips. But yes, Loder was the Nirvana guy big time.
To me Nirvana really blew up & got super popular after Cobain's death. Most would say it was the MTV Unplugged show that helped to give them the most popularity. I was in high school when Cobain died. I had Nevermind and In Utero and there was a small group of people who knew who Nirvana were, even a smaller group knew who Kurt Cobain was. My favorite Nirvana song may be "Milk It." When he died in 1994 we were on spring break. When everyone came back to school, Cobain and Nirvana were all of a sudden everyone's favorite. We saw Nirvana shirts everywhere and you would hear Nirvana being blasted in car stereos in the school parking lot.
I remember Dirt being released in 1992. I played football & baseball and I was a part of a smaller group of guys on the teams that listened to heavier stuff. Metallica and Pearl Jam were huge but we were into stuff that wasn't on the radio. Remember, not much in the way of the internet yet so we relied on metal magazines to tell us what was up and coming. Pantera's Vulgar Display of Power was released earlier in 1992 and we loved it. When Dirt came out in September of 1992, it was great too. Dirt had something Vulgar didn't. Slower but powerful, melodic, and dark. The vocals were amazing. We weren't drug guys but the lyrics were transparent and in a way, haunting. I had Facelift already and to me Dirt was an incredible follow up.
Ahh, memories.
I voted for Dirt on this poll. Overall it's a better record than Nevermind, but it's a different record too. I think the songwriting is better and the musicianship is better on Dirt. I just like it better.
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Dirt. Nevermind isn’t even Nirvana’s best album (In Utero ftw).
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Dirt easily.
Nevermind isn't bad (albeit overrated), but Nirvana is by far my least favorite band out of the "big 4" of the Seattle sound, because they were more punk-influenced and I've never been into that type of music myself.
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I think so too.
On another tangent, for those who love the heavy-as-sludge guitar riffing, amazing vocal harmonies, and overall darkness of AiC's trademark sound, here's another band that was HEAVILY influenced by them in the mid-'90s before also folding up FAR too early after only two albums: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE4mgDkczck
How about Kyuss? Do you dig them? I always thought despite Kyuss were not grunge, Alice in Chains and they had much more in common than Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam or Alice in Chains and Nirvana. Also Soundgarden's Badmotorfinger has many similarities with Kyuss stuff.
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Dirt easily. I think any of the big albums by the non-Nirvana "grunge" bands takes the cake against Nevermind. Whether it's Dirt, Superunknown (or Badmotorfinger) or Ten.
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Wow! Two polls in one day!
Ten by Pearl Jam.
Ten would be the hands down winner!
Of the 2 poll options... Dirt, by a mudslide!!!! :yarr
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I think so too.
On another tangent, for those who love the heavy-as-sludge guitar riffing, amazing vocal harmonies, and overall darkness of AiC's trademark sound, here's another band that was HEAVILY influenced by them in the mid-'90s before also folding up FAR too early after only two albums: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE4mgDkczck
How about Kyuss? Do you dig them? I always thought despite Kyuss were not grunge, Alice in Chains and they had much more in common than Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam or Alice in Chains and Nirvana. Also Soundgarden's Badmotorfinger has many similarities with Kyuss stuff.
I don't think AiC sounds anything like Kyuss....but a lot of Soundgarden's stuff goes that direction. Beyond the Wheel in particular could have EASILY been a Kyuss song....and Kyuss didn't even exist yet. (still in my top 5 SG songs)
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I will give you guys this on the "grunge or not" argument. I don't think grunge exists post 1990. So none of you guys are even talking about grunge right now. ;)
(I'm doing the Frasier thing for humorous effect....we need a emoticon for it or something.)
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Drain STH is pretty good, and (not relevant) I think the singer and the drummer are both model hot, but this picture always makes me laugh, and sort of - to me - characterizes the whole "grunge" movement. There was a distinct lack of a sense of humor with much of it that kind of ruined it for me. As serious as Maiden was, and as no-bullshit as Harris and Dickinson were, there was still "Mission from 'Arry" and "The Sheriff of Huddersfield". I don't really like "comedy" in my music, but to know that the band didn't take themselves so seriously was good to know. That was really missing from a lot of the "grunge" scene (and a big reason I sort of lost interest in Pearl Jam once they morphed from the "Gossard/Ament" administration to the "Vedder" years).
(https://i.imgur.com/kHnpBEH.jpg)
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Wow that photo screams 90s.
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It makes me laugh because they all look so SERIOUS, but the picture just comes off exactly the opposite to me. I've seen pictures of the singer - second from the left - and she's gorgeous, but there? Just looks funny to me.
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It makes me laugh because they all look so SERIOUS, but the picture just comes off exactly the opposite to me. I've seen pictures of the singer - second from the left - and she's gorgeous, but there? Just looks funny to me.
Well, sure. But even though I agree with your overall point, in that specific band's...er..."defense," they're from Sweden. Of course they look pissed off. And to add to that, having met them, I can say that that is pretty much their "natural look." Even when they are happy, they look pissed off.
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It makes me laugh because they all look so SERIOUS, but the picture just comes off exactly the opposite to me. I've seen pictures of the singer - second from the left - and she's gorgeous, but there? Just looks funny to me.
Well, sure. But even though I agree with your overall point, in that specific band's...er..."defense," they're from Sweden. Of course they look pissed off. And to add to that, having met them, I can say that that is pretty much their "natural look." Even when they are happy, they look pissed off.
:lol
I had a server at a beer garden in Copenhagen tell me that Danes and Swedes don't trust Americans because they are always smiling.
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I have a lot of Swedish in me and I've been told on more than one occasion I look angry when I'm anything but :lol
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It makes me laugh because they all look so SERIOUS, but the picture just comes off exactly the opposite to me. I've seen pictures of the singer - second from the left - and she's gorgeous, but there? Just looks funny to me.
Well, sure. But even though I agree with your overall point, in that specific band's...er..."defense," they're from Sweden. Of course they look pissed off. And to add to that, having met them, I can say that that is pretty much their "natural look." Even when they are happy, they look pissed off.
I don't know why this matters to me, but were they nice? I mean as people. Were they cool?
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It makes me laugh because they all look so SERIOUS, but the picture just comes off exactly the opposite to me. I've seen pictures of the singer - second from the left - and she's gorgeous, but there? Just looks funny to me.
Well, sure. But even though I agree with your overall point, in that specific band's...er..."defense," they're from Sweden. Of course they look pissed off. And to add to that, having met them, I can say that that is pretty much their "natural look." Even when they are happy, they look pissed off.
I don't know why this matters to me, but were they nice? I mean as people. Were they cool?
Oh, yeah, absolutely. In fact, I have to share a story about that. I never really figured out whether the "leader" of the band was Maria or Martina, but the two of them always seemed to be at the forefront and seemed to kind of share the duties of being the face of the band during its brief existence. The show I saw them at was a smaller festival-type show (the San Jose Beer-fest). They did an opening slot, and then hung out off the side of the stage before going over to an interview/meet-and-greet area. Early on in the process, a pair of fans come up to them to talk and to share some pretty high quality fan photos that one of them took. The guy was pretty small and horribly disfigured due to burns. And it was kind of cool and touching to see the amount of time and care the two of them devoted to this guy, and you could just see him completely light up. And progressing through the meet and greet line, I have to say that they were pretty cool and appreciative toward all the fans who came to see them. So, yeah, definitely "nice" people, at least from my limited interaction with them.
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I have a lot of Swedish in me and I've been told on more than one occasion I look angry when I'm anything but :lol
Resting bitch face. Apparently I have that, but I'm just tired all the time.
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Drain STH is pretty good, and (not relevant) I think the singer and the drummer are both model hot, but this picture always makes me laugh, and sort of - to me - characterizes the whole "grunge" movement. There was a distinct lack of a sense of humor with much of it that kind of ruined it for me. As serious as Maiden was, and as no-bullshit as Harris and Dickinson were, there was still "Mission from 'Arry" and "The Sheriff of Huddersfield". I don't really like "comedy" in my music, but to know that the band didn't take themselves so seriously was good to know. That was really missing from a lot of the "grunge" scene (and a big reason I sort of lost interest in Pearl Jam once they morphed from the "Gossard/Ament" administration to the "Vedder" years).
(https://i.imgur.com/kHnpBEH.jpg)
Isn't the singer married to Tony Iommi?
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You already said that.
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Oops. That's from the department of redundancy department. :biggrin:
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:lol I just thought maybe you REALLY had the hots for Iommi. :dunno:
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I have a lot of Swedish in me and I've been told on more than one occasion I look angry when I'm anything but :lol
Resting bitch face. Apparently I have that, but I'm just tired all the time.
I think being tired has that effect too. For giggles, I just took out my phone and checked what I look like while normally staring at the computer/TV/etc. - yup, look angry as hell or completely stoned. :rollin
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Good on Tony, for sure. The drummer looks like Phoebe from Friends in that picture.
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:lol Yeah, she kinda does. I never noticed that before.
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:lol I just thought maybe you REALLY had the hots for Iommi. :dunno:
LOL. Nope. Back in the day, I had the hots for Martina Axen. :tup
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??? Why'd you stop? :lol
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??? Why'd you stop? :lol
I met my wife. :coolio
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I'm married - and faithfully so - but that doesn't mean you can't admire from a distance. My wife and I have an understanding (Keith Urban/Margot Robbie) but I think I got the short end of that stick since she's got a far better shot than I ever will (read: something slightly greater than my zero).
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Wow, seems like a lot of people know just what Kurt Cobain was thinking and feeling. Interesting. I can't really claim that myself. I don't have any idea what kind of a person he was, but he was obviously troubled, and I find that sad.
As to the poll, I voted for Dirt. I think it's a better album, and I prefer AIC in general. Nirvana did make a huge impact though.