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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: MinistroRaven on February 07, 2018, 09:29:30 AM
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The situation in my country has just worsened and it doesn’t seem to be an end for the terrible situation venezuelan citizens are living.
Here’s some news about a camp of Venezuelan refugees in Brazil
From PADF Twitter account:
Today we inaugurate a school and a clinic for Venezuelan #Refugees in Brazil w/ support from @CanadaFP. ~70K have fled #Venezuela in search of better conditions - Join us in helping refugees! https://padf.org/helpmigrants https://twitter.com/PADForg/status/960562948904284162/video/1
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It's sad. Here in Argentina we don't have refugee camps but in the last couple of years there's been a lot of people that have come here looking for jobs and opportunities.
And the saddest part is that there doesn't seem to be a clear ending to what's happening, at least in the near future.
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Sorry to hear that. Its sad to see the hardships that Venezuela is facing now.
I'm an outsider to the whole situation, but if you wouldn't mind Raven, as someone who is experiencing it firsthand, do you mind if I ask: what was the progression in your opinion that has led to the current situation in Venezuela? Could things have been differently and how so?
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Sorry to hear that. Its sad to see the hardships that Venezuela is facing now.
I'm an outsider to the whole situation, but if you wouldn't mind Raven, as someone who is experiencing it firsthand, do you mind if I ask: what was the progression in your opinion that has led to the current situation in Venezuela? Could things have been differently and how so?
Also interested in this.
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There are multiple factors IMO that led the country to its current state.
For me the most important one: “greed” the government of Chavez was born with the spirit of Robin Hood taking the money from the rich and wealth people and giving it to the poor. Surely, many will say that that was something good, but in fact it wasn’t. With that move many if not most investors were scared away because they felt they investments weren’t protected soon all those that didn’t want to invest in the country Chávez started to expropriate buildings, land, businesses etc. and Chavez NEVER paid back for the expropriations and nationalization of all that he took. Not only that, since 2003 up to 2014 there’s an exchange policy controlled by the government, were you can only purchase a certain amount of foreign currency (dollars, euros etc) a year. It started at $5000 USD per person in 2003 and in 2014 you were only allowed to purchase $700 up to $1500 USD from 2014 up to date you can’t get foreign currency legally, you can only access to it by the black market. With all this situation companies like American Airlines and many others from USA and other countries weren’t able to take their revenue back to their countries and that just scared the few investors left in Venezuela.
The government took the major lands were in other times out people cultivate the food for the country and also for exportation. They took control of the industry that produced milk, coffee, pasta, wheat flour, vegetal oil, etc they took control of the biggest communication company (its best internet speed it’s supposed to be 10MB but they only deliver at 1MB)
Now, why they did all this, because while a typical Venezuelan citizens has to purchase $1 USD in the black market at 232902 Bolivares the government purchase the same dollar for only 10 Bolivares, now as they control the boarders, the customs, the airports, etc they can import whatever they want at a rate that it’s prohibited for the majority of us and they sell the goods at their own discretion.
Right now, they sell a box with food 8 to 10 items and to purchas the box you have to get an ID pro government called CARNET DE LA PATRIA. With said ID you can vote, purchase food and identify yourself as pro government.
All this as a measure of control, if you want to eat, they will tell you how much and what you can eat, but for that, you have to vote for them. You want a house? Good go vote for them, why not lie to them and vote for someone else? The elections in Venezuela are not free anymore they control everything and if they want to they will assist you in the voting so you don’t get confused at the last minute. Most weapons from our army has been given to paramilitary forces so they control the population.
Chavez was born poor in a poor town, and since day one he said he was resented with the wealth ones. That way while he and his more closest people started to get rich and wealthy the whole country started to fall in an abyss and it seems we haven’t reach bottom yet.
What could have been done differently?
Chavez got to the government in 1998 but in 1992 he failed in a coup d' État he was released from jail in 1996, we could have avoided all this by letting hin rot in jail or by killing him when the chance arose in 2002 no Chavez, no socialism, no debacle.
Right now, the options are a military intervention by the US government and the allies of the continent. Sadly many will die, but, right now, many are already dying of starvation or for the lack of medicines, a friend of mine passed last week because he couldn’t find his blood pressure pills.
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English it’s not my mother language, excuse me for my granmar, typos etc. If you have more questions I will try my best to answer you.
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Some interesting articles:
https://latinamericanpost.com/index.php/perspective-2/15592-what-caused-venezuela-s-economic-debacle
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/9/19/16189742/venezuela-maduro-dictator-chavez-collapse
https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/21/americas/venezuela-crisis-explained/index.html
https://www.thenation.com/article/why-is-venezuela-in-crisis/
https://theconversation.com/inside-venezuelas-economic-collapse-80597
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Thank you for sharing those details. And your English is a lot better than many native English speakers.
Right now, the options are a military intervention by the US government and the allies of the continent.
This will probably end up in P/R soon, but who are these allies?
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Thank you so much for sharing. Many lessons can be learned from that. Its just sad that the Venezuelan people are paying the price.
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Thank you for the post, I'll read those articles at work
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Thank you for sharing those details. And your English is a lot better than many native English speakers.
Right now, the options are a military intervention by the US government and the allies of the continent.
This will probably end up in P/R soon, but who are these allies?
US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has been visiting most South America he had conversation with presidents of Chile, Argentina, Peru, Colombia, Mexico, Brazil, and some others, those are our allies as they all agree that something must to be done to put an end to the tragic my people are facing. The group of Lima, EU, OAS, Canada and other countries are applying economic sanctions to Maduro’s government, freezing bank account with millions of US dollars to agents of the government.
And article about the sanctions:
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-fg-tillerson-venezuela-20180207-story.html
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There's another major thing that happened according to what I've read. Venezuela has the biggest oil reserves in the world and when oil was booming a couple of years before chavez started doing all the things mentioned above, since Venezuela was super rich so the government started subsidising everything and that went very well with people. However at some point the price for oil started plummeting and the state realized they didn't have money to pay for all the subsidies they were giving and that's when Chavez started taking private lands and companies, they needed the money to keep everything as it was. This all devolved into the chaos that we see now.
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There's another major thing that happened according to what I've read. Venezuela has the biggest oil reserves in the world and when oil was booming a couple of years before chavez started doing all the things mentioned above, since Venezuela was super rich so the government started subsidising everything and that went very well with people. However at some point the price for oil started plummeting and the state realized they didn't have money to pay for all the subsidies they were giving and that's when Chavez started taking private lands and companies, they needed the money to keep everything as it was. This all devolved into the chaos that we see now.
Yes, well, as I said in a previous post the factors that led to where the country is at are many. And the one you mentioned it’s just another one.
Those lands that chavez took from their owners are just there, doing nothing, miles and miles of lands that before Chavez were very productive land are now being wasted and not a single harvest of anything. In my home state, Lara State it was the biggest potato harvester, amd our state always supplied potatos for the whole country, now, as the goverment took the lands and nothing it’s being seed in those lands they are importing potatos why? Because by doing that they take a high a high commission and full their pockets, and many times they let rot those potatos at the containers and the process it’s repeated over and over again, now multiply that with every single item, milk, onions, rice, pasta, wheat flour, coffee and on and on.
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On a brighter note for all of us that are against the government:
The International Criminal Court's gears grind exasperatingly slowly. But once that clockwork is up and running, it's not easy to stop.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/02/08/the-international-community-wakes-up-to-torture-in-venezuela/
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Good lord, what an incredible mess it's become... Glad you got out of there, dude. I'm very sorry to hear about your friend.
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Good lord, what an incredible mess it's become... Glad you got out of there, dude. I'm very sorry to hear about your friend.
I am glad we escaped. my mom came last week.
Still looking to bring my dad and two sisters. My wife also wants to bring his brother and sister.
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By prof. Steve Hanke:
Negotiations between the Venezuelan government and opposition party have broken down as the corrupt and illegitimate Constitutional Assembly proceeds with April 22nd elections. Make no mistake: with Maduro in power, there is no #democracy in Venezuela.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/venezuela-talks-hang-by-thread-as-presidential-vote-looms/2018/02/07/eb2d7860-0bc3-11e8-998c-96deb18cca19_story.html?utm_term=.c242cf42e452
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"The reports tell of the arrests of hundreds of political dissidents who have endured severe beatings, stress positions, sleep deprivation and electric shocks--all for the 'crime' of disagreeing with the government." by @QuicoToro
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/02/08/the-international-community-wakes-up-to-torture-in-venezuela/?utm_term=.8947471a1c03
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Refugees.
There are:
700,000 Rohingya in Bangladesh
600,000 Syrians in Germany
550,000 Venezuelans in Colombia (by far the least talked about crisis) Not counting those venezuelan refugees in Peru, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Uruguay, Chile etc
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Here's a Sargon of Akkad video on Venezuela:
https://youtu.be/fNjtpksJD4s?t=1
Would love to know your thoughts Raven. Is he accurate or our there corrections you wanted to mention. I want to know as much as possible.
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Here's a Sargon of Akkad video on Venezuela:
https://youtu.be/fNjtpksJD4s?t=1
Would love to know your thoughts Raven. Is he accurate or our there corrections you wanted to mention. I want to know as much as possible.
PRETTY ACCURATE!!! The guy knows what he is talking about.
If someone would ask me now what’s going on in my country I would use this video to explain the situation there.
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Thank you for the feedback. Then its as bad as I feared. That video is terrifying, but sadly this aint the first time this situation has played out. In my heart of hearts I want to believe that humanity can learn from its mistakes, but experience has taught me otherwise. Well, at the very least, we shall not forget. That's for damn sure.
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With their currency virtually worthless and air travel beyond the reach of most, buses have become Venezuelan migrants’ caravans of misery. We follow the journey: https://reut.rs/2HZcF1h @AlexandraUlmer @carlosrawlins https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/970389578472415232/photo/1
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Venezolana berraca helps Venezuelans kick-start their new lives abroad, helps them train for new lines of work
https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2018/03/13/meet-the-go-to-person-in-bucaramanga-for-venezuelan-immigrants-in-need/
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I just bought flight tickets for my dad, he will be joining us April 4th woohoo
Sad news, my mom has to go back to Venezuela for a
Short period of time to take care of some personal issues. Sadly she didn’t do it before coming as adviced
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I just bought flight tickets for my dad, he will be joining us April 4th woohoo
Sad news, my mom has to go back to Venezuela for a
Short period of time to take care of some personal issues. Sadly she didn’t do it before coming as adviced
Not sure if I should be happy or sad about this, or both. Why does she have to go back?
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I just bought flight tickets for my dad, he will be joining us April 4th woohoo
Sad news, my mom has to go back to Venezuela for a
Short period of time to take care of some personal issues. Sadly she didn’t do it before coming as adviced
Not sure if I should be happy or sad about this, or both. Why does she have to go back?
Can’t undisclose the reason here, but it’s really necessary for her to take care of that one issue. As I said before, she was adviced to do it before coming but she refused.
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That sucks man. All my best to her in that venture and hoping everything ends up being all right.
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Want to understand how bad the Venezuelan situation is
Read this:
https://cnn.it/2KMX3Qa
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That is incredible. Does any common person live in decent conditions in Venezuela now? It sounds like it's turned into a completely chaotic, untenable state.
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Any news on your mom? Was she able to go back and get out again?
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Any news on your mom? Was she able to go back and get out again?
Mom is in Venezuela she must be back in a month.
Dad is here with us now.
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Ok, good that your dad is with you. My thoughts are with you guys, hope everything turns out OK for her soon and you can be reunited. My Gf works with a guy from Venezuela here in Argentina and I know how hard it is to have to leave everything behind and adapt to a new country and a new way of living. Unfortunately for him he's having some issues with his working visa because of bureaucracy :-\
Anyways, keep us posted. :smiley:
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American citizen begging for his life in Venezuela
Josh Holt, ciudadano estadounidense suplica ayuda desde El Helicoide "Ayúdame, por favor, ¿cuánto tiempo debo sufrir injustamente en este lugar? Quieren matarme y pintar las paredes con mi sangre. Soy un prisionero político" https://twitter.com/JMoPeriodista/status/996860583151587328/video/1
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WTF??
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WTF??
https://fox13now.com/2018/05/16/utahn-josh-holt-says-his-life-is-threatened-venezuelan-prison-holding-him-has-fallen/
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Joshua Holt, who was held in a Venezuelan jail for two years, has returned to the United States, the @AP reports. https://twitter.com/i/moments/1000386264284237824
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(https://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah58/jorge_pozo1/8D3BFAB9-20F3-40B7-91B9-66FF2CBD2DD5_zpstbbachdq.jpg) (https://s1377.photobucket.com/user/jorge_pozo1/media/8D3BFAB9-20F3-40B7-91B9-66FF2CBD2DD5_zpstbbachdq.jpg.html)
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Yeah, I heard that this morning. Crazy. I'm glad you got out when you did. That type of thing is almost always a sign of imminent collapse.
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If the collapse doesn't happen this year, it will surely happen next year. Oil production it's at its lowest, 750K per day and it is not secret that Venezuelan economy it's sustained by that production alone
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So sorry, man. It must be heartbreaking to see one's homeland going through something like that.
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1,000,000%. That's incredible.
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So sorry, man. It must be heartbreaking to see one's homeland going through something like that.
Yes, it totally is heartbreaking dude. And more knowing we still have our loved ones there.
This is my sister in law a couple years back (2013)
This is my sister in law a month ago in her wedding:
(https://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah58/jorge_pozo1/2C8D1F9E-6C32-4C77-8B7B-29750C2D624F_zpsp8ptfpzq.jpg) (https://s1377.photobucket.com/user/jorge_pozo1/media/2C8D1F9E-6C32-4C77-8B7B-29750C2D624F_zpsp8ptfpzq.jpg.html)
(https://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah58/jorge_pozo1/F9FCDD4A-8FC9-43D7-ADD3-426483351F6D_zpstop62nqv.png) (https://s1377.photobucket.com/user/jorge_pozo1/media/F9FCDD4A-8FC9-43D7-ADD3-426483351F6D_zpstop62nqv.png.html)
And no, she isn’t under regime of nutrition, it’s the power of socialism to starve our people.
We send them money from time to time (would love to do it periodically but I also have to provide for my wife, sons and dad)
When we arrived here in Lima if I send them 1 sol (currency of Peru) they would receive 64500 VEF (Venezuelan currency) today 1 sol = 955000 VEF
Minimum monthly wage in Venezuela 8 millions VEF - what can you purchase with 8 millions? 30 eggs and 2 gallons of milk
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As a Colombian we see the consequences of this in our country everyday. Hundreds of Venezuelans come here in hopes of a better life (Not that they're going to find something completely better here anyway, but it's not worse). We aren't prepared for this as a country (Specially since it used to be the other way around in the 70s-80s: Colombians fleeing to Venezuela) and the government isn't really saying what the immigrant situation is in here publicly.
Just so the rest of the guys ITT can imagine the inflation: Some Venezuelans in Bogota sell wads of Venezuelan Bolívares for the equivalent of 1 or 2 dollars for people who are into Numismatics here. It's baffling and it's not even the tip of the iceberg
Sorry to hear this, man. I was wondering if you know whatever thing happened yesterday in the Caracas blackout. It seems that something important happened and the News are talking about it here but I can't really understand what it was.
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I don’t like Fox News but this guy is spot on
https://www.facebook.com/FoxBusinessVoices/videos/2064303263887010/
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Why is Venezuela "on our doorstep?" Areh
Largely agree with everything else. I am anti-socialist in the US for many reasons, but I don't fully support the "See look at this shithole that can happen here!" as a sole argument against it, any more that "See, this works in this other country, it should totally work here!" There are plenty of other more rational arguments to be made against socialism in the US. Which will not be discussed in this non-P/R thread.
President Maduro and PSUV can count on the support of maybe a third of the population, at best. A vast majority of Venezuelans, those that still live in the country anyway, are against this government within varying degrees of disdain.
There is a third of the population who support this leadership? And the rest are against it WITHIN VARYING DEGREES?
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-latin-america-45304086
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Been seeing this on the news lately. I blame the rest of the South American countries for letting this happen though I'm not sure what they could have done to help prevent it. How longer can this thing last?
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Mass protests going down. We may be seeing some change
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/mass-protest-in-venezuela-to-demand-an-end-to-the-rule-of-president-nicholas-maduro-1430623299782
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Yeah, seeing the stories of Maduro getting overthrown or something and immediately thought of Mini. Came here to see if he had checked in with an opinion on what is going down. On the surface, this looks good, but I want his opinion as someone who is close to the situation.
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Lots of great things happening in my country. USAand lots of other countries are helping my people.
Next feb 23th it’s the day when humanitarian aid will enter my country despite all the things Maduro and company are doing to prevent it.
I think Venezuelan government it’s coming to an end SOON
At the border with @MarioDB & @AmbCTrujillo. Those containers behind us were put there by a terrorist, criminal regime. It isn't going to work. Food and medicine will reach the people of #Venezuela. https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1097251212829868034/video/1