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Title: 2018 NFL Thread - Da Bears take Da division.
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 06, 2018, 06:09:07 AM
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2018 NFL THREAD

(https://www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/nick-foles.jpg?w=437)

The 2017 NFL season was another memorable one. We saw incredible finishes, devastating injuries and plenty of controversy, such as what constitutes a catch, something that the league hopefully figures out the rule and enforcement in the offseason. We saw a 40 year old win league MVP. We saw rookie RBs make instant impacts. And for at least the 4th time, we’ve seen a backup QB defeat a HoF level QB to win the Super Bowl.

2017 saw the Philadelphia Eagles exorcised some serious demons, and despite losing their MVP candidate QB, perennial all-pro left tackle, starting middle linebacker, gadget RB & kicker, have won the Super Bowl, giving the Eagles their first league championship since 1960, when they defeated Lombardi’s Packers for the NFL Championship.

The NFL truly has a yearlong calendar, and all 32 teams are preparing for the 2018 season. Incoming rookies will soon be poked and prodded. Names like Darnold, Rosen, Allen and maybe Jackson and Mayfield will be drafted to teams hungry for a young, franchise QB. If Kirk Cousins can be freed up from team control, he will have his pick from a number of suitors, a couple, such as Denver and Minnesota may be a quarterback away.

New coaches in Oakland, New York (Giants), Tennessee, Chicago, Arizona, Detroit and Indy.).

A star studded HoF class of 2018 including Lewis, Moss, Owens, Dawkins and Urlacher.

A few of the upcoming dates:
February 20th  – First day for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players
February 27th-March 5th – Combine. 
March 14th  – First day of the 2018 league year.
April 26th-28th – NFL Draft in Arlington, TX (Cleveland is on the clock!)
August 2-5 – Hall of Fame Weekend.
September 6th – 2018 Season kick off game, Philadelphia to host one of the following teams: Dallas, NY Giants, Washington, Atlanta, Carolina, Houston, Indianapolis or Minnesota   
February 3rd 2019 – Super Bowl LIII, to be played in Atlanta.


Where does your team stand heading into 2018? What moves would you like to see them make, be it in the draft or free agency?


Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 06, 2018, 06:54:48 AM
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22310495/bold-nfl-predictions-2018-season-new-york-jets-sign-kirk-cousins-super-bowl-liii-pick-more

10 Bold Predictions from an ESPN Writer:

1. Free-agent quarterback Kirk Cousins signs with the Jets
2. Odell Beckham Jr. sits out at least one regular-season game
3. There are a least five new playoff teams, including the Jets, Chargers, Raiders, Packers and 49ers
4. Le'Veon Bell signs a contract extension with the Steelers
5. Josh Allen is the first pick in the April's draft ... but he doesn't start a game in 2018
6. Six more teams change head coaches after the 2018 season
7. Nick Foles leads the Eagles to a 3-1 start while Carson Wentz continues his rehab
8. Andrew Luck returns and plays all 16 games for the Colts
9. The NFL changes the catch rule to appease fans and increase scoring
10. The Saints will beat the Steelers in Super Bowl LIII
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 06, 2018, 07:47:46 AM
Are they saying how long Wentz will be out DOC?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2018, 07:50:47 AM

10. The Saints will beat the Steelers in Super Bowl LIII

No chance.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 06, 2018, 07:51:16 AM
Are they saying how long Wentz will be out DOC?

They believe that he's on track to return early in the season. He may not be ready in time for week one. I hope he doesn't overdo it trying to come back as soon as he can, especially if Foles is still on the roster.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2018, 07:52:21 AM
I wonder what Foles' contract status is. You'd think he gets some looks to start somewhere else.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: cramx3 on February 06, 2018, 07:55:31 AM
Looking forward to a better year of football from my team.  They haven't had such a high draft pick in awhile so it'll be interesting to see what they do. (Giants)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 06, 2018, 07:55:56 AM
I wonder what Foles' contract status is. You'd think he gets some looks to start somewhere else.

Foles is still under team control for 2018 (he signed a 2 year deal prior to the start of the 2017 season). With Wentz on a rookie deal, that's not too much salary for the QB position, so the Eagles would be smart to keep him, unless some QB-desperate team comes along with an unreal deal for Foles. but I'm not sure what the market for his services would be with Cousins and this batch of rookie QBs coming along.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2018, 07:57:03 AM
Yeah, well, he's just the SB MVP.. ;D
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 06, 2018, 07:57:31 AM
Looking forward to a better year of football from my team.  They haven't had such a high draft pick in awhile so it'll be interesting to see what they do. (Giants)

Do you like one of the rookie QBs better than the others? Would you rather see them grab Barkley with their first pick, and perhaps take a chance on Mayfield or Jackson later in the draft?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 06, 2018, 07:58:43 AM
Yeah, well, he's just the SB MVP.. ;D

Absolutely. His trade value has never been higher. So we'll see if anyone makes an offer for him.

I'd imagine this is yet another indictment on the shitshow Jeff Fisher had going in St. Louis/LA.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: cramx3 on February 06, 2018, 08:01:44 AM
Looking forward to a better year of football from my team.  They haven't had such a high draft pick in awhile so it'll be interesting to see what they do. (Giants)

Do you like one of the rookie QBs better than the others? Would you rather see them grab Barkley with their first pick, and perhaps take a chance on Mayfield or Jackson later in the draft?

I'm not high on Darnold, but not sure about Rosen.  I'd be cool with the Giants taking Barkley though, since I am a PSU grad, I'd love to continue to root for him on my NFL team, but the problem with the Giants is their offensive line.  They aren't going to just be able to plug a top pick back there and expect him to be productive and not get hurt until they fix that first. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Dream Team on February 06, 2018, 08:02:10 AM
Foles deserved a handshake from Brady. Kind of a douche move there.

Bring on 2018!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2018, 08:04:23 AM
Yeah, I heard that. Can't argue with that.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Nick on February 06, 2018, 08:07:17 AM
Foles deserved a handshake from Brady. Kind of a douche move there.

Yeah, love Brady as a QB, but there is no excuse for that, totally classless move.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 06, 2018, 08:08:03 AM
Yeah, can't disagree there.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 06, 2018, 08:30:08 AM

10. The Saints will beat the Steelers in Super Bowl LIII

No chance.

Yeah seriously. I can't see a Tomlin team winning or even getting to a Super Bowl at this point, just not going to happen.

Also -

4. Le'Veon Bell signs a contract extension with the Steelers

As a Steelers fan, I can honestly say I hope this does not happen.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kaos2900 on February 06, 2018, 08:56:01 AM
As far as Brady snubbing Foles, doesn't seem like he did it on purpose, or maybe he did. Brady seems like a decent guy so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/did-tom-brady-snub-nick-foles-on-super-bowl-handshake-lets-look-at-the-evidence/

As far as next season I'm pessimistic for the Chiefs and optimistic for the Vikings (my two favorite teams). I think the Chiefs end up 8-8 or worse and Reid gets fired. I think the Vikings will return to the playoffs and win the division. It will be interesting to see what they do at QB, but that defense will win them a lot of games regardless.

As for the rest of the NFL, I think Cousins goes to Denver or Buffalo. I think the Giants are the most improved team. Division Champs predictions below:

AFC
North- Steelers: This division is a mess from top to bottom and this pick is a total crap shoot.
South- Jaguars: This team is solid on both sides of the ball though I think the Texans will be a contender if they stay healthy.
East- Bills: Probably crazy but they have a lot pieces in place and a good young coach. Just need a QB.
West- Chiefs: Might be a fan pick, but honestly this division is wide open.

NFC
North- Vikings: Packers are close but the Vikings defense give them the edge
South- Saints: Another wide open division
East- Eagles: Hard to pick against the Champs.
West- 49ers- They are going to be contenders next year.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: BlackInk on February 06, 2018, 09:27:38 AM
Seems totally in line with the image I have of Brady as a person.

Otherwise I had a blast watching the big game. Got together with a whole bunch of people, hung out, played some games, had fun. The game itself doesn't start until like 1am where I live so it was a long night, and it always gets a bit weird towards the end, but it was still a good time like always.

I was so nervous and sure that Patriots would win again so watching Eagles get the title was fantastic.

Looking forward to a better year of football from my team. (Giants)

Right there with 'ya, buddy.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 06, 2018, 09:45:39 AM
The Colts hiring of McDaniels as their next Head Coach has been "officially" announced.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22344934/indianapolis-colts-hire-josh-mcdaniels-head-coach
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kaos2900 on February 06, 2018, 09:51:10 AM
Good luck doing something with no money since they paid Luck so much.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2018, 10:45:14 AM

10. The Saints will beat the Steelers in Super Bowl LIII

No chance.

Yeah seriously. I can't see a Tomlin team winning or even getting to a Super Bowl at this point, just not going to happen.

It wasn't Tomlin I was talking about. I was talking about the league's most overrated coach down in NO.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: jingle.boy on February 06, 2018, 10:56:11 AM

10. The Saints will beat the Steelers in Super Bowl LIII

No chance.

Yeah seriously. I can't see a Tomlin team winning or even getting to a Super Bowl at this point, just not going to happen.

It wasn't Tomlin I was talking about. I was talking about the league's most overrated coach down in NO.

Tomlin is coaching in NO now?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2018, 10:57:57 AM
No, Tomlin is in Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 06, 2018, 10:58:26 AM
New Orleans was a freak play away from beating Minnesota and moving on to Philly. Had that happened, who knows, perhaps Brees and Payton deliver Championship #2.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2018, 11:01:11 AM
These things are all so fleeting. The Pats are a helmet catch away from a perfect season.

I'm talking Payton's entire body of work. I posted the stats in the old thread and they were pretty much ignored.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 06, 2018, 11:08:56 AM
If he had a hand in trading Cooks and drafting the OPOY and DPOY, then I'd say Payton is far from the most overrated. Perhaps his weaknesses have been hid by Brees, but I always liked him when he was coming up as a coordinator. Of course that bountygate stuff was bad times.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2018, 11:12:46 AM
He's basically averaged a 9-7 record with a HOF QB. I think it averaged out to like 9.2 to 6.8 or something like that.
I want to say he's only made the playoffs in half of his years with Brees. It's slightly more than half.. I'll try and find the original post.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: pg1067 on February 06, 2018, 11:19:53 AM
I have real concerns for my Broncos.

They have a potentially world-class defense, but their skill position players are, as a whole rather mediocre.  I love Demaryius Thomas, but he always seems to under-perform.  Emmanuel Sanders is a solid #3 receiver who is the #2 on the Broncos.  The rest of the depth chart is woefully shallow.  The tight ends and running backs are rather forgettable.  And then you have the quarterback situation.  They seem to be throwing in the towel on Paxton Lynch, which leaves Trevor Siemian and Brock Osweiler.  I honestly think all three of those guys have some upside, but the offensive line is mostly trash.

There are so many areas of needed improvement, but almost every mock draft I've seen has the Broncos taking yet another quarterback.  None of the top 4 QBs this year sound like "can't miss" prospects, so I really think that's a bad idea.  Seems to me that the best thing to do would be to trade down for multiple picks and maybe an established player (or whatever is reasonable).

By the way, Sean Payton's career record over 11 seasons (which does not include the 2012 season when he was suspended) is 105-71, which averages to 9.55-6.45.  He's had four 7-9 seasons (including each season from 2014-16) and one at 8-8, and the rest have been 10 or more wins.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 06, 2018, 11:37:46 AM
Tomlin is coaching in NO now?

 :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: jingle.boy on February 06, 2018, 11:58:12 AM
Tomlin is coaching in NO now?

 :lol
  at least someone got the joke.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Stadler on February 06, 2018, 01:29:08 PM
Tomlin is coaching in NO now?

 :lol
  at least someone got the joke.

The  problem is, it's no joke.  :) 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2018, 02:55:57 PM
So after Dont'a Hightower "liked" Brandon Browner's post yesterday, Tom Brady "liked" Malcolm Butler's twitter post today, which was subsequently "liked" by a boatload of guys, current and former players.

Brady also followed it up with a personal message.


Belichick will be lucky to not have a mutiny on his hands, and deservedly so.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 06, 2018, 02:58:37 PM
So after Dont'a Hightower "liked" Brandon Browner's post yesterday, Tom Brady "liked" Malcolm Butler's twitter post today, which was subsequently "liked" by a boatload of guys, current and former players.

Brady also followed it up with a personal message.


Belichick will be lucky to not have a mutiny on his hands, and deservedly so.

There are other reports that a lot of players were not happy with Malcolm being late for the curfew and his lackadaisical play in practice.  Who the hell knows.

All I know is if you do something wrong in the BB era, he will sit you. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2018, 03:00:36 PM
What players have said anything along those lines?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: jingle.boy on February 06, 2018, 03:01:46 PM
Sitting a guy when the worst case scenario is going 13-3 or 12-4 is one thing.  Sitting a guy which arguably was a factor in the SB loss is another thing.  Seems as though BB did nothing other than prove that being the alpha in control is more important than fielding the best talent.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: El Barto on February 06, 2018, 03:10:16 PM
So after Dont'a Hightower "liked" Brandon Browner's post yesterday, Tom Brady "liked" Malcolm Butler's twitter post today, which was subsequently "liked" by a boatload of guys, current and former players.

Brady also followed it up with a personal message.


Belichick will be lucky to not have a mutiny on his hands, and deservedly so.
To what end? What do they want, a better coach? If he holds a meeting and says "if you guys don't want me here I'm outta here" are they better off? You know, they're playing for the GOAT right now, and all that's expected is that they do what they're supposed to do. If you'd rather do your own thing then go play for the fucking Bengals.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2018, 03:19:47 PM
Do you give any credence that maybe things have run their course? He's been the coach here for 18 years.


Personally, I'm not an advocate to fire Belichick. But while I'm sure Bulter ain't no choirboy, holding him out for seemingly no reason certainly seems to have rasied the hair on the team. Especially the way he did it, just before kickoff.

And now Hightower and Brady, your #1 guy on D and O, have made public expressions against the coach.

I thought after the Wickersham story dropped, which clearly came from Belichick's people, that Bill may not be back after this year. It basically laid the groundwork for Bill to walk away. Hell, I thought that when he gave up so many draft picks and spent like a drunken sailer last off season. He seemed like he was gearing up for one more run.


It'll be interesting to see how Kraft handles this.


Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: cramx3 on February 06, 2018, 03:27:18 PM
So after Dont'a Hightower "liked" Brandon Browner's post yesterday, Tom Brady "liked" Malcolm Butler's twitter post today, which was subsequently "liked" by a boatload of guys, current and former players.

Brady also followed it up with a personal message.


Belichick will be lucky to not have a mutiny on his hands, and deservedly so.
To what end? What do they want, a better coach? If he holds a meeting and says "if you guys don't want me here I'm outta here" are they better off? You know, they're playing for the GOAT right now, and all that's expected is that they do what they're supposed to do. If you'd rather do your own thing then go play for the fucking Bengals.

There's no doubt in my mind that some players will think they are better off without BB, but they are foolish to think so.

Personally, I think having the OC and DC effectively agreeing to be HC for other teams is a bigger distraction than benching a player (regardless of reason).  As the NYC sports radio host this afternoon said "do you think Giants fans are happy Patricia isn't the head coach?"  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: El Barto on February 06, 2018, 03:49:16 PM
Do you give any credence that maybe things have run their course? He's been the coach here for 18 years.
I think it's certainly plausible that things have run their course. I also think that A: it'd be a damn shame, and B: Bill is the guy you want around when the dust settles. If they move on from him (or he from they) then things will not go well for the Patriots.

I also think that for every malcontent there is upset at the coach right now, there are 5 players that would love to take their place.

Quote
Personally, I'm not an advocate to fire Belichick. But while I'm sure Bulter ain't no choirboy, holding him out for seemingly no reason certainly seems to have rasied the hair on the team. Especially the way he did it, just before kickoff.
And something that we're all ignoring is that maybe he really did think the D was better off without him. It didn't work out, and maybe it was a mistake, but that is his prerogative.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2018, 04:24:51 PM
But Bart, that doesn’t make sense. On his best day, Jordan Richards can’t hold Butler’s jock. Bademosi? Puleeze.

And let’s say that game plan wise Butler didn’t don’t fit, when you see the D getting fucking torched, you don’t adjust and send him in.
How does a guy, who played the most defensive snaps of anyone else during the season and 100% of them in the two post season games suddenly not good enough to get on the field?



Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 06, 2018, 05:05:18 PM
What players have said anything along those lines?


You should try Twitter old man and follow the beat writers.  No names of course but reports.  We have to wade all through this to get the truth.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2018, 05:22:59 PM
What players have said anything along those lines?


You should try Twitter old man and follow the beat writersNo names of course but reports.  We have to wade all through this to get the truth.

You mean the Patriots Media Cartel?

A bunch of guys put their NAMES on the Butler post.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: lonestar on February 06, 2018, 05:35:44 PM
Wow, I'm actually excited for the Niners this year...bring on the Jimmy G era!!!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 06, 2018, 05:43:31 PM
What players have said anything along those lines?


You should try Twitter old man and follow the beat writersNo names of course but reports.  We have to wade all through this to get the truth.

You mean the Patriots Media Cartel?

A bunch of guys put their NAMES on the Butler post.

I think you know some will say off record Tim. Some players are on Malcolm's side, some are not.  Definitely a devide.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: KevShmev on February 06, 2018, 05:46:14 PM
Philly wins the Super Bowl with their backup QB, yet all I keep hearing is that the Patriots would have won had Butler played.  :\

Not sure how I feel about the Broncos getting Cousins. On the one hand, getting him would give us a top 10-12 QB, but on the other hand, paying him the money he wants will mean having to get rid of some good players to get under the cap.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 06, 2018, 05:50:54 PM
How about this Tim for fast info.

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Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 06, 2018, 05:53:26 PM
Philly wins the Super Bowl with their backup QB, yet all I keep hearing is that the Patriots would have won had Butler played.  :\

Not sure how I feel about the Broncos getting Cousins. On the one hand, getting him would give us a top 10-12 QB, but on the other hand, paying him the money he wants will mean having to get rid of some good players to get under the cap.

The first part I would say yes, it was that close.

Second part.  DENVER NEEEEEDS a QB bad.  It's worth the money.  He's a big upgrade.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 06, 2018, 05:56:32 PM
There are reports that McDaniels is backing out of the Indy job....
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: KevShmev on February 06, 2018, 05:58:14 PM
There are reports that McDaniels is backing out of the Indy job....

I am shocked that a coach who was fired in his first head coaching stint for getting caught cheating would do a team dirty like this.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 06, 2018, 06:05:32 PM
Maybe a team that reported bullshit about psi pulled some shady shit.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 06, 2018, 06:07:33 PM
There are reports that McDaniels is backing out of the Indy job....

I am shocked that a coach who was fired in his first head coaching stint for getting caught cheating would do a team dirty like this.

 :lol

We're also of his mentor taking that Jets job all those years ago.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 06, 2018, 06:08:39 PM
So if you're Indy.... Who do you try to bring in? Certainly time isn't on their side.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Cool Chris on February 06, 2018, 06:12:14 PM
So if you're Indy.... Who do you try to bring in?

A more durable QB.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: KevShmev on February 06, 2018, 06:12:28 PM
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Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 06, 2018, 06:14:35 PM
Jeff Fisher? No way!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 06, 2018, 06:18:01 PM
Well Irsay is an apparent raging alcoholic.

Maybe take a look at one of the Eagles' coordinators. Maybe throw a crazy offer to one of the the top college coaches. Either way...sucks that Indy waited the entire postseason for their man only to have him change his mind.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: El Barto on February 06, 2018, 06:37:41 PM
There are reports that McDaniels is backing out of the Indy job....

I am shocked that a coach who was fired in his first head coaching stint for getting caught cheating would do a team dirty like this.
That was actually pretty funny.

If McDaniels backs out of the Indy job it's because he's going to coach the Patriots.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2018, 06:38:38 PM
How about this Tim for fast info.

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That's great. All I see is a small box with an X inside.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: KevShmev on February 06, 2018, 06:41:12 PM
If McDaniels backs out of the Indy job it's because he's going to coach the Patriots.

That is my thought as well.  Kraft probably sobered up just enough to promise McDaniels the Pats head coaching job once Belichick leaves (next month).
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2018, 06:41:25 PM
If McDaniels backs out of the Indy job it's because he's going to coach the Patriots.

http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/josh-mcdaniels-not-taking-indianapolis-colts-job-staying-new-england-patriots

Apparently Belichick is staying on too.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 06, 2018, 06:46:11 PM
How about this Tim for fast info.

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That's great. All I see is a small box with an X inside.

Lol. It was Schefter saying Josh was staying. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2018, 06:54:38 PM
WTF is going on down there?

Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: KevShmev on February 06, 2018, 06:58:23 PM
WTF is going on down there?

Was that meant for your wife? :P
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2018, 07:03:53 PM
Oh no...we KNOW what's going on down there! :P :P :P
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 06, 2018, 07:11:51 PM
He's been married a long time.  She's into the dishes.  Lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 06, 2018, 07:13:03 PM
Yup, not afraid to do them by hand. :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 06, 2018, 07:21:53 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Rattlehead on February 06, 2018, 08:29:59 PM
Not sure how I feel about the Broncos getting Cousins. On the one hand, getting him would give us a top 10-12 QB, but on the other hand, paying him the money he wants will mean having to get rid of some good players to get under the cap.

I think it's the best solution if Elway wants to turn Denver back into a contender ASAP. I'm not sold on any of these QBs coming out of college right now; I'm sure at least one of them will end up being great, but it's too much of a crapshoot and Elway already blew it with the Lynch pick. I know guys like McShay have Denver taking a QB with pick #5, but I really don't think Elway has the patience for another rookie QB. I'd be fine with them letting Sanders go as well as some of the scrub FAs Elway signed like Watson to free up space for Cousins. It would also allow for them to improve the O line with a guy like Quenton Nelson out of Notre Dame, or trade down with a QB needy team and stock up on draft picks to potentially take another RB early and let CJ go.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: KevShmev on February 06, 2018, 08:37:25 PM
I think they are more likely to keep Sanders than D. Thomas, because the latter makes too much money and isn't that great to demand that kind of salary anymore, but you never know.  I think the RBs they have would be fine if the QB was good and the o-line improved. You don't need a stud RB to be a great team, as the Eagles and Patriots just showed us on Sunday.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Stadler on February 07, 2018, 05:29:49 AM
Sitting a guy when the worst case scenario is going 13-3 or 12-4 is one thing.  Sitting a guy which arguably was a factor in the SB loss is another thing.  Seems as though BB did nothing other than prove that being the alpha in control is more important than fielding the best talent.

Which, long term, it is.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Stadler on February 07, 2018, 05:32:29 AM
There are reports that McDaniels is backing out of the Indy job....

I am shocked that a coach who was fired in his first head coaching stint for getting caught cheating would do a team dirty like this.
That was actually pretty funny.

If McDaniels backs out of the Indy job it's because he's going to coach the Patriots.

This is the first thing I thought of.  Kraft must have promised him the throne.  Dilly dilly. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: KevShmev on February 07, 2018, 05:45:30 AM
Regarding the Malcolm Butler situation, here it how I see it:

If we can assume for the sake of argument that Butler did something that was worthy of being disciplined by the Belichick Standard, which is a pretty safe assumption, what is the problem?

Remember when many crushed Mike Tomlin for going easy on LeVeon Bell last month for being late to a game? Everyone disagreed that it was the exact opposite of the way that Belichick would have handled it, because Belichick will discipline you.

Now, he just did that, and suddenly it is an issue?

"But it was the Super Bowl!"

Doesn't matter. The Belichick Standard applies at all times.  He is not going to relax it for Game 1, Game 17 or the Super Bowl. 

It's easy to say, "he cost them the Super Bowl by not playing Butler," but by holding players to his standard 365 days a year, how many games has he won them because players knew they had to live up to and adhere to that standard at all times?  More than we can count. 

And let us not forget, Belichick is the GOAT because his coaching style is a disciplinary one, yet all of a sudden we want to criticize him for disciplining a player?  Come on.  Doing what he did Sunday is part of Belichick's coaching DNA and everyone should know this by now.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: cramx3 on February 07, 2018, 05:53:12 AM
^ agreed

Also, kind of loving the drama in New England  :lol

I'm sure they'll get their shit together though
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 07, 2018, 06:21:06 AM
Kev, agreed.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kaos2900 on February 07, 2018, 07:21:10 AM
Regarding the Malcolm Butler situation, here it how I see it:

If we can assume for the sake of argument that Butler did something that was worthy of being disciplined by the Belichick Standard, which is a pretty safe assumption, what is the problem?

Remember when many crushed Mike Tomlin for going easy on LeVeon Bell last month for being late to a game? Everyone disagreed that it was the exact opposite of the way that Belichick would have handled it, because Belichick will discipline you.

Now, he just did that, and suddenly it is an issue?

"But it was the Super Bowl!"

Doesn't matter. The Belichick Standard applies at all times.  He is not going to relax it for Game 1, Game 17 or the Super Bowl. 

It's easy to say, "he cost them the Super Bowl by not playing Butler," but by holding players to his standard 365 days a year, how many games has he won them because players knew they had to live up to and adhere to that standard at all times?  More than we can count. 

And let us not forget, Belichick is the GOAT because his coaching style is a disciplinary one, yet all of a sudden we want to criticize him for disciplining a player?  Come on.  Doing what he did Sunday is part of Belichick's coaching DNA and everyone should know this by now.

100% agree with this. Butler fucked up and Belichick held him accountable. I actually think it takes bigger balls to hold people accountable than to go soft, even it is the Super Bowl. This is why the Patriots have been good for so lng.

In regards to McDaniels I'm not going to throw shade him. We recently had this same thing happen at my job. We interviewed a lady who was AMAZING. She accepted but when she went to put her two weeks in at her current job they offered a big raise and she changed her mind. It sucked but I understand that people have to what's best for them sometimes. I think McDaniels will be the next coach of the Patriots when Bill leaves. He's probably got a raise and doesn't have to move his family. Plus, I think the Colts are dumpster fire even with Luck. Good choice by McDaniels.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: cramx3 on February 07, 2018, 07:54:08 AM
I don't disagree with doing what's best for you, but I think the difference in your example and this case is that there's only 32 NFL head coaching jobs that exist.  Those opportunities don't come up in the grand scheme of things compared to any other job.  Burning that bridge means he probably cut his chances of being an NFL coach with not only Indy, but probably a few more franchises that don't like that flip flop.  Granted, I agree with the thought that he's likely the next Pats coach, but I'm not entirely sure he made the best choice or not.  As much as I kind of wanted him to be the next NYG coach, I am glad he didn't string them along in the process.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kaos2900 on February 07, 2018, 08:49:21 AM
But I don't think he intentionally strung Indy along. It sounds like he went to clean out his office and say good bye and Kraft and Belichick had a conversation with him then. Sounds like it really was a last second decision that he didn't intend on making. I get it doesn't look good and I'm sure it pissed off the Colts but that offer had to be pretty sweet to burn a lot of future bridges.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: cramx3 on February 07, 2018, 09:12:33 AM
Yea, this may be the best decision, I just don't know if it's really clear that it is.  Maybe BB told him a timeline for when he will retire, but sometimes these big time coaches hang on much longer than they say they will and the head coach waiting behind ends up leaving anyway.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: pg1067 on February 07, 2018, 09:52:45 AM
Not sure how I feel about the Broncos getting Cousins. On the one hand, getting him would give us a top 10-12 QB, but on the other hand, paying him the money he wants will mean having to get rid of some good players to get under the cap.

Good point.  They need to improve the offensive line or it doesn't really matter who plays QB.  On the other hand, if they draft one of the bust-in-waiting QBs at #5, they'll have to throw a shload of first round money at him, so maybe Cousins is the best option for a tough situation.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Stadler on February 07, 2018, 09:57:32 AM
From what I've read, there is no hard promise or guarantee; nothing in writing.   

Other rumors (for the record I put little faith in any of them, except possibly the first):
- It's been denied, but that Luck's health factored in (i.e it's not looking good).
- Irsay's drinking factored in (and Kraft pointed that out)
- Kraft threw a shitload of cash at him, all with the purpose of screwing over the Colts in response to blowing the whistle on Deflate gate.

Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: cramx3 on February 07, 2018, 10:03:55 AM
Irsay's drinking is a real issue if it's leading to coaches wanting to stay away. I'd be really mad if I were a Colts fan.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 07, 2018, 10:04:56 AM
Regarding the Malcolm Butler situation, here it how I see it:

If we can assume for the sake of argument that Butler did something that was worthy of being disciplined by the Belichick Standard, which is a pretty safe assumption, what is the problem?

Remember when many crushed Mike Tomlin for going easy on LeVeon Bell last month for being late to a game? Everyone disagreed that it was the exact opposite of the way that Belichick would have handled it, because Belichick will discipline you.

Now, he just did that, and suddenly it is an issue?

"But it was the Super Bowl!"

Doesn't matter. The Belichick Standard applies at all times.  He is not going to relax it for Game 1, Game 17 or the Super Bowl. 

It's easy to say, "he cost them the Super Bowl by not playing Butler," but by holding players to his standard 365 days a year, how many games has he won them because players knew they had to live up to and adhere to that standard at all times?  More than we can count. 

And let us not forget, Belichick is the GOAT because his coaching style is a disciplinary one, yet all of a sudden we want to criticize him for disciplining a player?  Come on.  Doing what he did Sunday is part of Belichick's coaching DNA and everyone should know this by now.

Dear lord, yes this. I agree 100%.

Fans in Pittsburgh are dying for a coach to discipline players. I back BB's call on this 100%.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Nick on February 07, 2018, 10:18:49 AM
Regarding the Malcolm Butler situation, here it how I see it:

If we can assume for the sake of argument that Butler did something that was worthy of being disciplined by the Belichick Standard, which is a pretty safe assumption, what is the problem?

Remember when many crushed Mike Tomlin for going easy on LeVeon Bell last month for being late to a game? Everyone disagreed that it was the exact opposite of the way that Belichick would have handled it, because Belichick will discipline you.

Now, he just did that, and suddenly it is an issue?

"But it was the Super Bowl!"

Doesn't matter. The Belichick Standard applies at all times.  He is not going to relax it for Game 1, Game 17 or the Super Bowl. 

It's easy to say, "he cost them the Super Bowl by not playing Butler," but by holding players to his standard 365 days a year, how many games has he won them because players knew they had to live up to and adhere to that standard at all times?  More than we can count. 

And let us not forget, Belichick is the GOAT because his coaching style is a disciplinary one, yet all of a sudden we want to criticize him for disciplining a player?  Come on.  Doing what he did Sunday is part of Belichick's coaching DNA and everyone should know this by now.

Fully agreed, well said.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: axeman90210 on February 07, 2018, 11:22:55 AM
Regarding Malcolm Butler, I get what you guys are saying but at the same time it also feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face to a degree. The reason you have that discipline in place is because you think it will ultimately help your team win the Super Bowl, but I think there's conflict in a case like this where enforcing that discipline potentially hurts your chances of winning a Super Bowl, because you're playing in the Super Bowl. I even get benching him for the first series or first quarter (if I recall correctly that's what Wes Welker got for make not so veiled foot jokes ahead of playing Rex Ryan and the Jets in the playoffs), but at a certain point I find it hard to keep someone who could potentially be helping your secondary (which is getting lit up) on the bench for the entire game. Especially given from everything I've heard it was a minor infraction.

As far as Josh McDaniels goes, I don't think he was purposely stringing Indy along, and I do think he has the right to change his mind about what's best for him at any point up until the ink is dry on the contract. I do think he also handled it poorly though, as I heard that the assistants he handpicked who had already signed on with Indy never heard from him and found out with the rest of us when it went public. I'd imagine that there's a verbal agreement in place for him to follow Belichick (though the Rooney rule prevents that from ever being official), because this would definitely impact him if he tried to find a gig elsewhere next year.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: bosk1 on February 07, 2018, 11:31:01 AM
Regarding Malcolm Butler, I get what you guys are saying but at the same time it also feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face to a degree. The reason you have that discipline in place is because you think it will ultimately help your team win the Super Bowl...

I disagree.  And, more importantly, I think Belichick would disagree.  The goal, to him, isn't winning the Super Bowl.  The goal is winning (or not) the right way.  Discipline is a huge part of that.  I think he would rather lose a game, even the Super Bowl itself, than lose control of player discipline.

If you disagree over whether that should be the goal, that's your prerogative.  But I think you are mistaken in that you misunderstand what the goal actually is.  Playing with discipline and dignity, regardless of the outcome, is his goal.  But winning tends to be a natural byproduct of that.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 07, 2018, 11:33:05 AM
Regarding Malcolm Butler, I get what you guys are saying but at the same time it also feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face to a degree. The reason you have that discipline in place is because you think it will ultimately help your team win the Super Bowl, but I think there's conflict in a case like this where enforcing that discipline potentially hurts your chances of winning a Super Bowl, because you're playing in the Super Bowl. I even get benching him for the first series or first quarter (if I recall correctly that's what Wes Welker got for make not so veiled foot jokes ahead of playing Rex Ryan and the Jets in the playoffs), but at a certain point I find it hard to keep someone who could potentially be helping your secondary (which is getting lit up) on the bench for the entire game. Especially given from everything I've heard it was a minor infraction.

Here's the thing though - if you bend in this instance, it basically negates everything BB's culture has stood for all these years. The team is bigger than the individual, "do your job", etc... all that is thrown out the window. Then BB has basically become...every other NFL coach (all of whom have never won like BB has).
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kaos2900 on February 07, 2018, 11:42:40 AM
I don't think game would have turned out any differently if Butler played. The Patriots defense has been an issue all season. I think their stats looked better on paper due to their relatively weak schedule. If I was a Lions fan I would not be happy with the Patricia hire.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: cramx3 on February 07, 2018, 12:01:25 PM
Regarding Malcolm Butler, I get what you guys are saying but at the same time it also feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face to a degree. The reason you have that discipline in place is because you think it will ultimately help your team win the Super Bowl...

I disagree.  And, more importantly, I think Belichick would disagree.  The goal, to him, isn't winning the Super Bowl.  The goal is winning (or not) the right way

Is it really?  That doesn't sound like the BB who lead teams with two scandals.  He seems to have a win at all costs (and under my rules, hence the discipline because I agree, that's part of winning) type of mentality from my understanding/feelings about him.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: El Barto on February 07, 2018, 12:14:57 PM
I don't think game would have turned out any differently if Butler played. The Patriots defense has been an issue all season. I think their stats looked better on paper due to their relatively weak schedule. If I was a Lions fan I would not be happy with the Patricia hire.
Yes and no. The D has been an issue because of really, really shoddy tackling, and that's at the core of what sank them on Sunday. So yeah, they would have gotten torched. At the same time you take away a one or two of those 3rd and longs, which MB might very well have done, and it's a very different game regardless.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: ProfessorPeart on February 07, 2018, 01:29:54 PM
Hoodie Jr's agent just dropped him. I have always really disliked him. This just reinforces my feelings.

https://sports.yahoo.com/josh-mcdaniels-agent-reportedly-terminates-relationship-colts-fiasco-184708378.html

Regarding Butler, there is a lot of he said-he said stuff going around. Sounds like the locker room was really pissed about the benching and many players have come out in support of him, including Brady. Butler even put out a statement disputing everything about curfew issues.

It's nice to see the Pats have some dirty laundry for once. Things aren't so smooth in Hoodieland.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Stadler on February 07, 2018, 02:33:37 PM
Regarding Malcolm Butler, I get what you guys are saying but at the same time it also feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face to a degree. The reason you have that discipline in place is because you think it will ultimately help your team win the Super Bowl...

I disagree.  And, more importantly, I think Belichick would disagree.  The goal, to him, isn't winning the Super Bowl.  The goal is winning (or not) the right way

Is it really?  That doesn't sound like the BB who lead teams with two scandals.  He seems to have a win at all costs (and under my rules, hence the discipline because I agree, that's part of winning) type of mentality from my understanding/feelings about him.

I can very easily differentiate between a scandal like "signals" (which EVERY team in the league does, and, in baseball, I can remember doing back in high school) and a disciplinary issue of ONE PLAYER like blowing curfew or huffing weed the day before the big game.  One is at least nominally trying to have every edge possible, which is exactly what the discipline is. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 07, 2018, 03:02:07 PM
So..Kev's post is getting a lot of play, and I agree with what he said, but.....

The Patriots are on record as this was not a discipline issue, but a football issue. Adam Schefter reported as much again this morning, which is basically the same as the Pats going on the record. He has a direct line to the team.

So, if this was truly a football issue, does anyone buy that? If he was good enough to play the most defensive snaps this year, and 100% of the snaps in the two playoff games, suddenly he's a football liability? And if it was truly a football decision, why not 1. adjust when the D is getting torched, and 2. dress someone else that could help them. Alan Branch maybe, who might've helped with the 7+ Run Yds against.


Most Pats fans are fine if Butler committed a major violation and Belichick sent him home. But if he's going to dress, and take up a roster spot, then what the hell is going on with that?



I don't think game would have turned out any differently if Butler played. The Patriots defense has been an issue all season. I think their stats looked better on paper due to their relatively weak schedule. If I was a Lions fan I would not be happy with the Patricia hire.
Yes and no. The D has been an issue because of really, really shoddy tackling, and that's at the core of what sank them on Sunday. So yeah, they would have gotten torched. At the same time you take away a one or two of those 3rd and longs, which MB might very well have done, and it's a very different game regardless.

And there's the rub. Butler was the team's best tackler. And in a game where a half dozen plays that go either way makes the difference, it makes no sense to not play him, even if there was some point to prove, at some point you make the adjustment.




And Josh is definitely a weasel.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 07, 2018, 03:17:26 PM
You are also forgetting the domino effect taking out Butler who played 98% of all the snaps all year. Now guys are playing out of position in different spots in the game plan had to change slightly. this was a huge mistake by Belichick.


There was also signs of McDaniels hesitating on the Cindy job multiple interviews again during the Super Bowl week and leaks about him hesitating. I just thought after the Super Bowl it was a done deal him going to Indy.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 07, 2018, 03:21:23 PM
You are also forgetting the domino effect taking out Butler who played 98% of all the snaps all year. Now guys are playing out of position in different spots in the game plan had to change slightly. this was a huge mistake by Belichick.
...and with basically no notice.


There was also signs of McDaniels hesitating on the Cindy job 

You think people would be lining up for a...um...Cindy job. ;D
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 07, 2018, 03:23:44 PM
Who the hell is this guy??  :lol

(https://mediaassets.wxyz.com/photo/2018/02/07/Matt%20Patricia%20pencil_1518034977436.jpg_77246518_ver1.0_640_480.jpg)

Even had Josh actually gone to Indy, I wasn't going to pay any intention. But I am totally going to follow Patricia. By all accounts, he's a great guy and the players loved him.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 07, 2018, 03:38:53 PM
If this was behavior based. BB would have been better served to hold Butler out of the first drive, or the first quarter. Having him sit the entire game hurt the entire franchise. Six Lombardis would have been huge. He screwed every stakeholder of the franchise, from the owner down to the fans. And for what? What did Malcom Butler do to deserve this?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 07, 2018, 03:40:01 PM
If this was behavior based. BB would have been better served to hold Butler out of the first drive, or the first quarter. Having him sit the entire game hurt the entire franchise. Six Lombardis would have been huge. He screwed every stakeholder of the franchise, from the owner down to the fans. And for what? What did Malcom Butler do to deserve this?

Yes, DOC. Bingo. That's what I'm saying.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 07, 2018, 03:43:09 PM
Regarding the Malcolm Butler situation, here it how I see it:

If we can assume for the sake of argument that Butler did something that was worthy of being disciplined by the Belichick Standard, which is a pretty safe assumption, what is the problem?

Remember when many crushed Mike Tomlin for going easy on LeVeon Bell last month for being late to a game? Everyone disagreed that it was the exact opposite of the way that Belichick would have handled it, because Belichick will discipline you.

Now, he just did that, and suddenly it is an issue?

"But it was the Super Bowl!"

Doesn't matter. The Belichick Standard applies at all times.  He is not going to relax it for Game 1, Game 17 or the Super Bowl. 

It's easy to say, "he cost them the Super Bowl by not playing Butler," but by holding players to his standard 365 days a year, how many games has he won them because players knew they had to live up to and adhere to that standard at all times?  More than we can count. 

And let us not forget, Belichick is the GOAT because his coaching style is a disciplinary one, yet all of a sudden we want to criticize him for disciplining a player?  Come on.  Doing what he did Sunday is part of Belichick's coaching DNA and everyone should know this by now.

Dear lord, yes this. I agree 100%.

Fans in Pittsburgh are dying for a coach to discipline players. I back BB's call on this 100%.

Ask the Rex Ryan era Jets and Bils what a player friendly coach does for you.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: pg1067 on February 07, 2018, 04:03:12 PM
There was also signs of McDaniels hesitating on the Cindy job 

You think people would be lining up for a...um...Cindy job. ;D

(https://www.bingeclock.com/memes/brady-bunch___cindy_dont_have_time.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 07, 2018, 04:04:33 PM
 :lol

Exactly!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: jingle.boy on February 07, 2018, 04:26:01 PM
If this was behavior based. BB would have been better served to hold Butler out of the first drive, or the first quarter. Having him sit the entire game hurt the entire franchise. Six Lombardis would have been huge. He screwed every stakeholder of the franchise, from the owner down to the fans. And for what? What did Malcom Butler do to deserve this?

I'm with Axe/Doc/TAC on this one.  Also, I think anyone who thinks it being called a "football issue" has anything to do with Butler's ability to play the game is nuts.  Every and anything is/can be called a "football" issue.  It's not like it was a soccer or basketball issue  :lol.  Of course it was a "football" issue.  This is BB's dry way of saying "none of your fucking business".
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 07, 2018, 04:35:32 PM
Here's what Schefter said on WEEI this morning:

“Having spoken to a couple of different people about the situation, maybe I am missing something and maybe they are missing something and didn’t know something, but the way it was explained to me was, this was strictly a performance-based decision,” Schefter said.
“Now, again, I am just telling you I understand he played over 97 percent of the snaps (this season). He made one of the two greatest defensive plays in Super Bowl history. He has been somebody they’ve counted on. It defies logic to think that somebody you have counted on that much in the past all of the sudden is not important, but I am just telling you what was told to me. You can believe it or not.
“I was told (he) hasn’t practiced well, hasn’t played well, hasn’t practiced well this season, hasn’t played well this season, and they decided to go in a different direction.”


Like I said, this might as well be the Pats on the record statement. Now it may be something totally else, but that's the story straight from the Patriots.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 07, 2018, 04:36:45 PM
:lol

Exactly!

Indy, Cindy, both little sisters. :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 07, 2018, 04:44:03 PM
:lol

Exactly!

Indy, Cindy, both little sisters. :lol

Hell, the Pats were lucky to be Jan-sonville in the AFC CG.









Yeah..so bad..I know.. :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 07, 2018, 04:50:26 PM
 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

This is really the first time since the 2009 season that we've seen the inner squabbling behind the Patriot curtain.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: KevShmev on February 07, 2018, 04:56:29 PM

And Josh is definitely a weasel.

That is putting it nicely, and I definitely believe the story about Kraft making him an offer he couldn't refuse just to screw the Colts.  Kinda sad that an owner who has been this successful would be so vindictive, but it just reinforces why so many people hate the Patriots.  The franchise as a whole is just not likable.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 07, 2018, 04:58:56 PM
Josh is the bad guy, not Kraft.  We do not know all the pieces and until you have his John Hancock, it's not a deal. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 07, 2018, 04:59:53 PM
Kev, it didn't have anything to do with the Colts, Kev. Kraft is protecting himself (and keeping Brady happy) against Belichick leaving, which will be sooner than later.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: KevShmev on February 07, 2018, 05:03:11 PM
Josh is the bad guy, not Kraft.  We do not know all the pieces and until you have his John Hancock, it's not a deal.

That's horse hockey.  Assistants had signed with Indy since McDaniels had verbally committed to going there.  I get that Boston fans don't care about the Colts getting screwed, but he totally screwed those assistants, who are now stuck there coaching under an as-yet-to-be-named head coach. That is not what they signed up for.

Kev, it didn't have anything to do with the Colts, Kev. Kraft is protecting himself (and keeping Brady happy) against Belichick leaving, which will be sooner than later.

I don't buy that for a second.  It was out there a month ago about McDaniels going to Indy.  Kraft waited to the last possible moment to make him that offer he couldn't refuse, because he knew it would screw Indy in the worst possible way. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 07, 2018, 05:04:43 PM
Josh screwed the assistants not Kraft.  Kraft needs only to look out for his team, not the Colts.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: El Barto on February 07, 2018, 05:56:37 PM
Here's something I don't get. Why is this any different than Belichick resigning as HC of NYJ 18 years ago? Seems like what he did was even worse, and while it was shocking I don't recall him getting even a fraction of the flack that JMD is getting now. I guess I just can't help but think that this is now suddenly worse because people already hate the Patriots. Belichick at the time was simply a former failed coach who did something peculiar. Nobody really cared much. JMD is emblematic of the Patriots organization in 2018, and thus he's now history's greatest monster.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TAC on February 07, 2018, 06:08:54 PM
Kev, it didn't have anything to do with the Colts, Kev. Kraft is protecting himself (and keeping Brady happy) against Belichick leaving, which will be sooner than later.

I don't buy that for a second.  It was out there a month ago about McDaniels going to Indy.  Kraft waited to the last possible moment to make him that offer he couldn't refuse, because he knew it would screw Indy in the worst possible way.

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Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 07, 2018, 06:14:42 PM
Here's something I don't get. Why is this any different than Belichick resigning as HC of NYJ 18 years ago? Seems like what he did was even worse, and while it was shocking I don't recall him getting even a fraction of the flack that JMD is getting now. I guess I just can't help but think that this is now suddenly worse because people already hate the Patriots. Belichick at the time was simply a former failed coach who did something peculiar. Nobody really cared much. JMD is emblematic of the Patriots organization in 2018, and thus he's now history's greatest monster.


No doubt.  It's amplified to the nth degree because it's the Pat's.


Is John Elway and Eli Manning scumbags since they forced the teams that drafted them to trade them?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Rattlehead on February 07, 2018, 07:40:56 PM
It's not like McD has a spotless track record though; he's been involved in cheating scandals with two different organizations. It makes sense to me that some have been critical of him for this because even I thought he was a weasel before he stiffed the Colts, but then again I'm a Denver fan. It seems like that whole incident he was involved in with Denver really flew under the radar since they were terrible that year.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 07, 2018, 08:13:27 PM
It's not like Bill Belichick had a checkered past.  How's that work out?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 07, 2018, 10:31:17 PM
Here's something I don't get. Why is this any different than Belichick resigning as HC of NYJ 18 years ago? Seems like what he did was even worse, and while it was shocking I don't recall him getting even a fraction of the flack that JMD is getting now. I guess I just can't help but think that this is now suddenly worse because people already hate the Patriots. Belichick at the time was simply a former failed coach who did something peculiar. Nobody really cared much. JMD is emblematic of the Patriots organization in 2018, and thus he's now history's greatest monster.

The difference is that Belichick lost his first head coaching job due to the Browns moving/seizing operations. It had nothing to do with his coaching since it looked like the Browns were headed in the right direction. Also, while here in NY he got a lot of crap for his decision, his reasoning was fair (uncomfortable with the ownership situation due to the death of Leon Hess) and he at least had the balls to actually stand at the podium and make a statement. Now let’s look at McDaniels, a guy who was fired from his first head coaching job because he quite frankly did a terrible job. Very few coaches get a second chance to prove themselves as a HC, and even less get a third chance. He ignored his agent, who told him it would be a bad idea to decline the Colts job at the last second, and eventually his agent dropped him. And he has yet to give his reasoning, leaving his selected personnel high and dry. Also, if there was a “handshake agreement” that he would be the successor to Belichick, that could also potentially be in violation of the Rooney Rule.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: PowerSlave on February 07, 2018, 10:42:23 PM
Here's something I don't get. Why is this any different than Belichick resigning as HC of NYJ 18 years ago? Seems like what he did was even worse, and while it was shocking I don't recall him getting even a fraction of the flack that JMD is getting now. I guess I just can't help but think that this is now suddenly worse because people already hate the Patriots. Belichick at the time was simply a former failed coach who did something peculiar. Nobody really cared much. JMD is emblematic of the Patriots organization in 2018, and thus he's now history's greatest monster.


No doubt.  It's amplified to the nth degree because it's the Pat's.


Is John Elway and Eli Manning scumbags since they forced the teams that drafted them to trade them?

I think that the situation with both of those QB's is miles away from this. They were both very forthcoming with their views on their situations. The problem with this one is that he seemingly led the team on, and possibly used it as leverage for better compensation from his current owner. Sure, this happens in every day Life, but the overall implications are vastly different.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 08, 2018, 04:18:21 AM
I dont agree. They forced their way ou but it's ok because they were honest? Josh leveraged his way to less money and less power?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: cramx3 on February 08, 2018, 06:15:28 AM
I don't like what those QBs did, and I don't like what JMcD did, but none of them are "scumbags" for doing so.  I just wonder if what Josh did was even the best decision for himself, long term.  I don't think the QB's decisions were as hurtful to themselves in the long run.

They talked about this on sports radio this morning and Boomer brought up how the quote out there is BB is going to "open the world" to Josh.  So, he didn't show him his ways before?   :lol Maybe that's why many of BB's assistants fail as head coaches.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: KevShmev on February 08, 2018, 06:17:06 AM

I think that the situation with both of those QB's is miles away from this. 

Yep. The situations aren't remotely comparable.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 08, 2018, 06:20:32 AM
Bullshit they are not.  Listen I'm not saying Josh is not wrong but don't give me that both those QB's did not pull crap to get out of their situation.  It's equally as bad.  Sorry.  You both are wrong.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: jingle.boy on February 08, 2018, 06:33:41 AM
Bullshit they are not.  Listen I'm not saying Josh is not wrong but don't give me that both those QB's did not pull crap to get out of their situation.  It's equally as bad.  Sorry.  You both are wrong.

The only way they are comparable would've been if either had negotiated a deal, and agreed, then walked away from it less than 8 hours before the announced pressed.  Joe, your offsides on this one. Apples and oranges. Elway/Manning exercised their only means of leverage to do what was right for their career; McDaniels accepted a last minute counter-offer.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 08, 2018, 06:59:58 AM
Seem to me you guys lean towards the players more.  I think the coaches should have that flexibility as well.  I only abhor owners.  I  personally do not belive a player has a right to pick where they want to go until they hit free agency.  They deserve it.  Rookie should not have that.

Again, I think Josh was wrong here.  I don't deny that at all but lets look at the players on those teams that these 2 QB's shunned.  It's as equal as these coaches that were screwed by Josh.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 08, 2018, 07:09:30 AM
I wasn't too keen on Indy firing Chuck Pagano considering that his franchise QB played zero snaps this year, so I can't help but feel a little bit of karma playing out.  Wasn't nice for McDaniels to string them along only to change his mind, but he technically didn't break any rules. And personally speaking, I'd rather be head coach in waiting for Kraft, then the head coach for Irsay, if that's indeed what McDaniels' based his decision on.   
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 08, 2018, 07:13:34 AM
People always want to justify why one is not the same.  Bad is bad.  People want to argue because they do not like a certain team and excuse others for their digressions.  Bad is bad.  Josh should have dropped out early.  it's oblivious he had reservations and waffled and when Kraft stepped up, he bit.  I think some of this was Kraft realizing that after Bill's actions in the SB he may need a back up plan when he didn't think so before.


DOC, I think he's a good coach that the ownership and past GM, Griggson(SP?) let down.  How has Luck been out this long?  He's too young, they mismanaged his injury.  Such a shame.  He really was the next big QB.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 08, 2018, 07:26:36 AM
People always want to justify why one is not the same.  Bad is bad.  People want to argue because they do not like a certain team and excuse others for their digressions.  Bad is bad.  Josh should have dropped out early.  it's oblivious he had reservations and waffled and when Kraft stepped up, he bit.  I think some of this was Kraft realizing that after Bill's actions in the SB he may need a back up plan when he didn't think so before.


DOC, I think he's a good coach that the ownership and past GM, Griggson(SP?) let down.  How has Luck been out this long?  He's too young, they mismanaged his injury.  Such a shame.  He really was the next big QB.

I agree. Other than drafting Luck and TY Hilton, they have messed up literally every other facet of running a football team over the past few years.


And I know that the wait for your coach strategy worked for the 49ers last year, as Kyle Shanahan made good on his verbal and signed on, but my solution for this would be simple.  NO team can interview or sign a new head coach until AFTER the Super Bowl.   Think about how exciting this week would be if all 7 or 8 teams with HC vacancies were having interviews scrambling to get their guy. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 08, 2018, 07:35:20 AM
There was talk on our local radio stations saying they should do that.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kaos2900 on February 08, 2018, 07:43:36 AM
I'm still not going to begrudge JMD for doing what he felt was best for him and his family. He never signed and those assistants shouldn't have signed until he did.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Stadler on February 08, 2018, 07:56:10 AM
^^^ Kinda leaning there.

First, I don't think the QB and JMD situations are the same.   Manning and Elway both said, in advance, that they would not play for the team expected to draft them.   The team that DID draft them did so with full disclosure and full knowledge.    They knew the risk going in.

Having said that, I don't know that what JMD did was so egregious.  Perfect?  No.   But what would you have him do?  Decline the better offer, move his family, and then be miserable and second-guessing?  That the assistants signed is unfortunate, but I think Kaos has is right.  They are adults and they took the risk.   Now, some of this is subject to change, depending on what was actually said, but still.  I think if this was St. Louis, and Joe McOffensive Coordinator, instead of the Patriots and Josh McDaniel, we wouldn't be talking about this.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: kingshmegland on February 08, 2018, 07:59:39 AM
A bad move by the Colts was announcing these assistants signed before announcing the head coach.  They never should have done that.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: El Barto on February 08, 2018, 08:41:59 AM
Here's something I don't get. Why is this any different than Belichick resigning as HC of NYJ 18 years ago? Seems like what he did was even worse, and while it was shocking I don't recall him getting even a fraction of the flack that JMD is getting now. I guess I just can't help but think that this is now suddenly worse because people already hate the Patriots. Belichick at the time was simply a former failed coach who did something peculiar. Nobody really cared much. JMD is emblematic of the Patriots organization in 2018, and thus he's now history's greatest monster.

The difference is that Belichick lost his first head coaching job due to the Browns moving/seizing operations. It had nothing to do with his coaching since it looked like the Browns were headed in the right direction. Also, while here in NY he got a lot of crap for his decision, his reasoning was fair (uncomfortable with the ownership situation due to the death of Leon Hess) and he at least had the balls to actually stand at the podium and make a statement. Now let’s look at McDaniels, a guy who was fired from his first head coaching job because he quite frankly did a terrible job. Very few coaches get a second chance to prove themselves as a HC, and even less get a third chance. He ignored his agent, who told him it would be a bad idea to decline the Colts job at the last second, and eventually his agent dropped him. And he has yet to give his reasoning, leaving his selected personnel high and dry. Also, if there was a “handshake agreement” that he would be the successor to Belichick, that could also potentially be in violation of the Rooney Rule.
Bill was hated in Cleveland. Bill Bellicose? "Bill Belichick's five-year reign of error is over.''? "The Voice of Doom?" He fired Kosar and saddled them with Andre Risen. He lost six of his last seven games, and each season was worse than the one before,  finishing 36-44. Model certainly could have taken him to Baltimore, where he would have gone to a place where he was less despised, but chose not to.

And while people keep citing his agent dropping him, it's important to note that he also represented Indy's GM. I think it's safe to say loyalty factored into this. Moreover, what reason did the agent have to stick with him anyway? He simply saw him as no longer profitable to his bottom line.

As for the career aspect, his head coaching prospects were the same either way. He takes the Colts job and if he fails he's done. He takes the NE job and if he fails he's done. I'm not sure there's much difference between being a two-time loser and a guy who betrays a team in terms of future job prospects. Whereas if he keeps the Patriots afloat after Bill leaves then the same people bitching about him now will be clamoring to hire him away from NE. It' just a matter of if he wins or loses at his next coaching gig.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 08, 2018, 09:21:45 AM
Eagles parade should be entertaining. So happy for this fanbase
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Stadler on February 08, 2018, 09:24:25 AM
And I disagree with McDaniels' being unhirable because of this.    Someone like Pioli will take him in a heartbeat if he's ever in that position again and the need arises.   He still has stock, and when it comes to "winning or losing", owners will put up with a lot of sins to make that happen.   

El Barto is right; what WILL make him unhirable is his next HC gig.  He fails there, he's likely Dick LeBeau or Dante Scarnecchia, the eternal coordinator.   I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't - implicitly - part of the conversation.  "I can't promise you the Pats job - Rooney - but if you go to Indy and Luck's shoulder doesn't rehab right, or Brissette isn't the guy, and you fail, I can promise you you WON'T get the Pats - or any - job after that.   Help us finish this out, and you're no worse off, perhaps better off, than any other scenario."
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 08, 2018, 11:33:53 AM
49ers get the deal done with Garoppolo. 5 years, $137.5.


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Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Nick on February 08, 2018, 11:40:37 AM
49ers get the deal done with Garoppolo. 5 years, $137.5.

Now, for the love of god, please make sure we upgrade the O-line so that our shiny new toy doesn't get broken in a year or two.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Stadler on February 08, 2018, 12:31:01 PM
That rules out Jimmy G. captaining the S.S. Patriot any time soon.  Bill wouldn't pay that for his entire offense.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 08, 2018, 12:39:47 PM
Jason Kelce is a fn trip.

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2018/02/eagles_super_bowl_parade.html
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: kingshmegland on February 08, 2018, 01:09:12 PM
Good for Jimmy G!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 08, 2018, 01:32:34 PM
This current Patriots run has been absolutely incredible. Below are the 32 teams, sorted by the number of conference championship game appearances over the past 7 seasons:

Seven
New England

Three
San Francisco

Two 
Atlanta
Baltimore
Denver
Green Bay 
Seattle

One
Arizona   
Carolina
Indianapolis   
Jacksonville
Minnesota
N.Y. Giants 
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh

Zero
Buffalo
Chicago
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Dallas
Detroit
Houston
Kansas City
L.A. Chargers
L.A. Rams
Miami
N.Y. Jets
New Orleans 
Oakland
Tampa Bay
Tennessee
Washington 


Even more remarkable is how many conference championship games the Patriots have played in since Brady took over the starting job in 2001. Below is the list over the past 17 seasons:

Twelve
New England

Six
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh

Five 
Indianapolis   

Four
Green Bay 

Three
Atlanta
Baltimore
Carolina
Denver
San Francisco
Seattle
 
Two
Arizona   
Chicago
Minnesota
New Orleans 
N.Y. Giants 
N.Y. Jets

One
Jacksonville
S.D. Chargers
St.L  Rams
Oakland
Tampa Bay
Tennessee

Zero
Buffalo
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Dallas
Detroit
Houston
Kansas City
Miami
Washington 


Love them or hate them, this is excellence sustained, not to mention their 5 Lombardis over the same span.



Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: KevShmev on February 08, 2018, 05:11:31 PM
Seem to me you guys lean towards the players more.  I think the coaches should have that flexibility as well.  I only abhor owners.  I  personally do not belive a player has a right to pick where they want to go until they hit free agency.  They deserve it.  Rookie should not have that.

Again, I think Josh was wrong here.  I don't deny that at all but lets look at the players on those teams that these 2 QB's shunned.  It's as equal as these coaches that were screwed by Josh.

No.  Just, no.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: kingshmegland on February 08, 2018, 05:35:54 PM
Sorry Kev.  I do not agree with you at all except that Josh shouldn't have dropped out last minute.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 08, 2018, 06:19:41 PM
Sorry Kev.  I do not agree with you at all except that Josh shouldn't have dropped out last minute.

The worst part of Josh's decision was the guys that up and left their existing jobs to be part of his new staff in Indy. He did them dirty, and there should have been no assembling of a staff until a contract was signed. But even with that said, I don't even think that a signed contract would have stopped Josh from running back to daddy Kraft
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: kingshmegland on February 08, 2018, 06:33:09 PM
I agree.  No doubt.  It still calls into Indy's decision to allow this without getting his name on the dotted line as well as releasing the information of the signings.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2018, 06:36:37 PM
Honestly if I were Indy, Id try and get the Commissioner involved and at least wrangle a draft pick out of this.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: kingshmegland on February 08, 2018, 06:49:51 PM
No signed contract, no hope for what you are seeking Tim. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: TAC on February 08, 2018, 06:54:23 PM
But if you verbally agree. Then sign coaches on the team's behalf, I think it'd be worth an inquiry. Or filing a complaint.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: kingshmegland on February 08, 2018, 07:05:44 PM
Imagine all the lawsuits in the NFL from That?  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: jingle.boy on February 08, 2018, 07:24:14 PM
First, I don't think the QB and JMD situations are the same.   Manning and Elway both said, in advance, that they would not play for the team expected to draft them.   The team that DID draft them did so with full disclosure and full knowledge.    They knew the risk going in.

Having said that, I don't know that what JMD did was so egregious.  Perfect?  No.   But what would you have him do?  Decline the better offer, move his family, and then be miserable and second-guessing?  That the assistants signed is unfortunate, but I think Kaos has is right.  They are adults and they took the risk.   Now, some of this is subject to change, depending on what was actually said, but still.  I think if this was St. Louis, and Joe McOffensive Coordinator, instead of the Patriots and Josh McDaniel, we wouldn't be talking about this.

Dear lord, it must be frosty in hell, because I absolutely agree with Stads here.

And the NFL should have a moratorium on coaching staff movement until the season is completely over. The NHL does ... I assume MLB And NBA too?  It's ridiculous that coaches who should be preparing their teams for the biggest games are interviewing and job hunting.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: kingshmegland on February 08, 2018, 07:30:34 PM
 :lol.

It really should be.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Stadler on February 09, 2018, 07:43:34 AM
Jason Kelce is a fn trip.

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2018/02/eagles_super_bowl_parade.html

I still don't like the Eagles, but Jason Kelce may be my favorite player in the league now.   A Mummers costume!!!   How Philly!   I've mentioned before a couple times that I'm a Mum - I played in one of the string bands - and  wore costumes like that all the time.   Great tradition, and I can tell you, if he didn't already, he connected HARD CORE with that fan base with that speech and that gesture.  (Every year tens of thousands of people line Broad Street on New Year's Day to watch the Mummer's Parade, a day-long march of all the string bands (anywhere from 16 to 20 depending on the year) from the stadia to City Hall.   A tradition that goes back over a hundred years. 

EDIT:  That suit was donated by the band I played in, Avalon String Band.   The guy who's suit it is is the musical director of the band (extremely talented musician) and played o-line in college; most suits aren't that big.  http://phl17.com/2018/02/08/the-mummers-jason-kelce-costume-connection/
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: Stadler on February 09, 2018, 07:48:53 AM
Sorry Kev.  I do not agree with you at all except that Josh shouldn't have dropped out last minute.

The worst part of Josh's decision was the guys that up and left their existing jobs to be part of his new staff in Indy. He did them dirty, and there should have been no assembling of a staff until a contract was signed. But even with that said, I don't even think that a signed contract would have stopped Josh from running back to daddy Kraft

Those things are not on Josh, though.  HE didn't sign them, HE didn't take the chance (albeit with reliance on Josh, I get it).

And no, a signed contract probably wouldn't have, unless there was a stiff buyout clause.  If I recall correctly, Bill had a contract with the Jets and resigned; the Jets were compensated with a draft pick, but still.   What if Josh had waited a week or a month, or even a year?  Would it be any different?   At least now, there's only three coaches (that may or may not have been  lined up before, and may or may not have taken the job anyway) that are out a HC. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: Stadler on February 09, 2018, 07:50:07 AM
First, I don't think the QB and JMD situations are the same.   Manning and Elway both said, in advance, that they would not play for the team expected to draft them.   The team that DID draft them did so with full disclosure and full knowledge.    They knew the risk going in.

Having said that, I don't know that what JMD did was so egregious.  Perfect?  No.   But what would you have him do?  Decline the better offer, move his family, and then be miserable and second-guessing?  That the assistants signed is unfortunate, but I think Kaos has is right.  They are adults and they took the risk.   Now, some of this is subject to change, depending on what was actually said, but still.  I think if this was St. Louis, and Joe McOffensive Coordinator, instead of the Patriots and Josh McDaniel, we wouldn't be talking about this.

Dear lord, it must be frosty in hell, because I absolutely agree with Stads here.

And the NFL should have a moratorium on coaching staff movement until the season is completely over. The NHL does ... I assume MLB And NBA too?  It's ridiculous that coaches who should be preparing their teams for the biggest games are interviewing and job hunting.

Oh, Jingle, admit it; it feels good doesn't it?  Like a warm bath.  :)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: bosk1 on February 09, 2018, 08:55:26 AM
Jason Kelce is a fn trip.

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2018/02/eagles_super_bowl_parade.html

I still don't like the Eagles, but Jason Kelce may be my favorite player in the league now.   

Yeah, I watched that yesterday.  Fantastic!  I know nothing of the Mummers or that tradition.  But he nailed it.  You couldn't watch that and not smile.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 09, 2018, 10:20:47 AM
Jason Kelce is a fn trip.

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2018/02/eagles_super_bowl_parade.html

I still don't like the Eagles, but Jason Kelce may be my favorite player in the league now.   A Mummers costume!!!   How Philly!   I've mentioned before a couple times that I'm a Mum - I played in one of the string bands - and  wore costumes like that all the time.   Great tradition, and I can tell you, if he didn't already, he connected HARD CORE with that fan base with that speech and that gesture.  (Every year tens of thousands of people line Broad Street on New Year's Day to watch the Mummer's Parade, a day-long march of all the string bands (anywhere from 16 to 20 depending on the year) from the stadia to City Hall.   A tradition that goes back over a hundred years. 

EDIT:  That suit was donated by the band I played in, Avalon String Band.   The guy who's suit it is is the musical director of the band (extremely talented musician) and played o-line in college; most suits aren't that big.  http://phl17.com/2018/02/08/the-mummers-jason-kelce-costume-connection/

Bingo. Wearing that Mummers costume was a stroke of genius. He is now universally beloved in that town, and as Bosk's posts indicates, even those outside of the area and unfamiliar with the culture could appreciate his passion and blunt message. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: kingshmegland on February 09, 2018, 10:29:26 AM
It was glorious. I felt like he could be a wrestler in WWE.  He was hilarious.


Did any of you hear about the local beat writer in Boston (Ron Borges) who thought he was getting texts from Don Yee (Tom Brady's Agent) that Brady was going to hold out of OTA's to get a new contract?  He ran with it and it was a prank by a local fan.  Borges said he had multiple sources and the local radio station, WEEI, was tipped off by the fan and broke the news this morning.  Borges was know for having an agenda against Bill Belichick all these years.  Goes to show you you can't trust the media anymore.  None will vet these leads.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: jingle.boy on February 09, 2018, 10:32:36 AM
First, I don't think the QB and JMD situations are the same.   Manning and Elway both said, in advance, that they would not play for the team expected to draft them.   The team that DID draft them did so with full disclosure and full knowledge.    They knew the risk going in.

Having said that, I don't know that what JMD did was so egregious.  Perfect?  No.   But what would you have him do?  Decline the better offer, move his family, and then be miserable and second-guessing?  That the assistants signed is unfortunate, but I think Kaos has is right.  They are adults and they took the risk.   Now, some of this is subject to change, depending on what was actually said, but still.  I think if this was St. Louis, and Joe McOffensive Coordinator, instead of the Patriots and Josh McDaniel, we wouldn't be talking about this.

Dear lord, it must be frosty in hell, because I absolutely agree with Stads here.

And the NFL should have a moratorium on coaching staff movement until the season is completely over. The NHL does ... I assume MLB And NBA too?  It's ridiculous that coaches who should be preparing their teams for the biggest games are interviewing and job hunting.

Oh, Jingle, admit it; it feels good doesn't it?  Like a warm bath.  :)

A warm something that involves soapy water, that's for sure.  *Bath* wasn't what I was thinking though.   :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: cramx3 on February 09, 2018, 11:51:40 AM
It was glorious. I felt like he could be a wrestler in WWE.  He was hilarious.


Did any of you hear about the local beat writer in Boston (Ron Borges) who thought he was getting texts from Don Yee (Tom Brady's Agent) that Brady was going to hold out of OTA's to get a new contract?  He ran with it and it was a prank by a local fan.  Borges said he had multiple sources and the local radio station, WEEI, was tipped off by the fan and broke the news this morning.  Borges was know for having an agenda against Bill Belichick all these years.  Goes to show you you can't trust the media anymore.  None will vet these leads.

#fakenews  :lol  Pretty funny, I actually just got myself a second phone number that no one knows for the sole purpose of prank calls.  I got my buddy good yesterday who owns a carwash business.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: DragonAttack on February 09, 2018, 12:03:15 PM
re:  Garoppolo

First thought:  ridiculous. 

Second thought:  the Ravens have been mired with Flacco's contract since Day One.  Didn't resign Bouldin, good OLs go to other teams due to lack of cap space, etc etc etc.  Did he deserve to be rewarded?  Absolutely....but not to the extent of what he signed.  I blame him and the front office for that.

Ditto for Seattle and Wilson, and all or most QB contracts.  'It's not about the money, I want to win.'

B.S. !!!!!

The kid might do OK in San Fran.  He'd have done better with money left for the franchise to plug the needed holes as they develop (and the holes will develop). 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 09, 2018, 12:05:18 PM
re:  Garoppolo

First thought:  ridiculous. 

Second thought:  the Ravens have been mired with Flacco's contract since Day One.  Didn't resign Bouldin, good OLs go to other teams due to lack of cap space, etc etc etc.  Did he deserve to be rewarded?  Absolutely....but not to the extent of what he signed.  I blame him and the front office for that.

Ditto for Seattle and Wilson, and all or most QB contracts.  'It's not about the money, I want to win.'

B.S. !!!!!

The kid might do OK in San Fran.  He'd have done better with money left for the franchise to plug the needed holes as they develop (and the holes will develop).

Totally this. I could not agree more.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: Stadler on February 09, 2018, 12:16:00 PM
It was glorious. I felt like he could be a wrestler in WWE.  He was hilarious.


Did any of you hear about the local beat writer in Boston (Ron Borges) who thought he was getting texts from Don Yee (Tom Brady's Agent) that Brady was going to hold out of OTA's to get a new contract?  He ran with it and it was a prank by a local fan.  Borges said he had multiple sources and the local radio station, WEEI, was tipped off by the fan and broke the news this morning.  Borges was know for having an agenda against Bill Belichick all these years.  Goes to show you you can't trust the media anymore.  None will vet these leads.

#fakenews  :lol  Pretty funny, I actually just got myself a second phone number that no one knows for the sole purpose of prank calls.  I got my buddy good yesterday who owns a carwash business.

Call me a juvenile, but I LOVE a good prank call.  Still the funniest part of the Stern show for me.   
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: El Barto on February 09, 2018, 12:33:13 PM
re:  Garoppolo

First thought:  ridiculous. 

Second thought:  the Ravens have been mired with Flacco's contract since Day One.  Didn't resign Bouldin, good OLs go to other teams due to lack of cap space, etc etc etc.  Did he deserve to be rewarded?  Absolutely....but not to the extent of what he signed.  I blame him and the front office for that.

Ditto for Seattle and Wilson, and all or most QB contracts.  'It's not about the money, I want to win.'

B.S. !!!!!

The kid might do OK in San Fran.  He'd have done better with money left for the franchise to plug the needed holes as they develop (and the holes will develop).
Generally speaking I agree completely. I had an argument with my brother the Saints fan about Brees refusing to take a pay cut that would have improved the team (and himself) immeasurably. "Fuck that, it's not his job to take pay cuts!" Well, no it's not. Just don't bitch about it when he gets sacked 60 times in a season because they hired their offensive line from a Home Depot parking lot.

However, JG gets a pass on this as he's young and unproven. A player seeking his first real contract should probably take all he can get. If he really does turn out to be the franchise QB for the longterm he can restructure his contract. If he falls apart he can ride the pine safe in the knowledge that he's got 74 million in his checking account. Fuck, even Jamarcus Russell would have to applaud that.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 09, 2018, 12:39:20 PM
Generally speaking I agree completely. I had an argument with my brother the Saints fan about Brees refusing to take a pay cut that would have improved the team (and himself) immeasurably. "Fuck that, it's not his job to take pay cuts!" Well, no it's not. Just don't bitch about it when he gets sacked 60 times in a season because they hired their offensive line from a Home Depot parking lot.

However, JG gets a pass on this as he's young and unproven. A player seeking his first real contract should probably take all he can get. If he really does turn out to be the franchise QB for the longterm he can restructure his contract. If he falls apart he can ride the pine safe in the knowledge that he's got 74 million in his checking account. Fuck, even Jamarcus Russell would have to applaud that.

Yes, I'll clarify my agreement to Dragon's post. Ridiculous move on the part of the team? Yes. Probably going to make the supporting cast around him worse? Yes. Did the team overpay? Yes.

All that said, good for Jimmy, athletes gotta take the money when they can, I'd do the same. Like you said, he's generally unproven so if he ends up sucking once the league gets a look at him - he's made his.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 09, 2018, 12:59:50 PM
Apparently this contract is structured in a much better, team friendler way than the QB megadeals of years past.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 09, 2018, 01:38:30 PM
Apparently this contract is structured in a much better, team friendler way than the QB megadeals of years past.

How so?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: jingle.boy on February 09, 2018, 01:51:30 PM
Apparently this contract is structured in a much better, team friendler way than the QB megadeals of years past.

How so?

Small unmarked bills in a paper bag delivered weekly in Jimmy's planter box.   :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: El Barto on February 09, 2018, 02:03:43 PM
Apparently this contract is structured in a much better, team friendler way than the QB megadeals of years past.

How so?
There are ways you can distribute the cap hit into smaller pieces. You can also incorporate incentives that you might not have to pay. There are exit routes you can incorporate, as well.

The 49ers worked out a stunningly good deal with Kap a few years back. His "contract" was "worth" 125 million with 61 "guaranteed." He actually made 39 million and the team had no problem dumping him. In fact, they have an absolute shit-ton of cap space now, even after paying JG.
http://www.businessinsider.com/colin-kaepernick-record-49ers-contract-2017-8
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 09, 2018, 02:09:03 PM
Small unmarked bills in a paper bag delivered weekly in Jimmy's planter box.   :lol

Seems sound  :lol

There are ways you can distribute the cap hit into smaller pieces. You can also incorporate incentives that you might not have to pay. There are exit routes you can incorporate, as well.

The 49ers worked out a stunningly good deal with Kap a few years back. His "contract" was "worth" 125 million with 61 "guaranteed." He actually made 39 million and the team had no problem dumping him. In fact, they have an absolute shit-ton of cap space now, even after paying JG.
http://www.businessinsider.com/colin-kaepernick-record-49ers-contract-2017-8

Well said, at the end of the day the biggest component here is that NFL contracts aren't really guaranteed, right?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: El Barto on February 09, 2018, 02:41:00 PM
Technically I think the contracts guarantee that they are not guaranteed.

Joseph Heller aside, it actually does make a lot of sense. They guarantee the terms of employment. They just don't guarantee the employment itself. A seven year contract might say "we'll hire you for 7 years. We'll pay you this much. We can terminate this agreement after 4 years. You can opt out after five years." He doesn't have to work 8 years for them. They can't release him after only 3 years. He will work between 4-7 years for them under the pay schedule they agreed upon.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 09, 2018, 03:25:37 PM
Football is one sport I don't mind seeing a player get as much $$ as possible when they can. These guys are literally one play away on every play from being paralyzed the rest of their lives. On top of the fact the abuse their bodies take....I don't mind them getting paid. Same goes for Hockey players. The abuse on their bodies is insane.

Baseball is where I think those contracts are silly.....
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: kingshmegland on February 09, 2018, 03:39:06 PM
Let's add that football contracts are not fully guaranteed.  Hence the front loaded contracts.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: axeman90210 on February 11, 2018, 08:07:25 AM
And isn't there usually a choice that has to be made as to whether the guarantee is for skill or injury (but not both)?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: KevShmev on February 11, 2018, 09:38:54 AM
The Eagles have been champs for less than a week and have already been taken out of the thread title?  Cold blooded.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
Post by: kingshmegland on February 11, 2018, 12:07:51 PM
The Eagles have been champs for less than a week and have already been taken out of the thread title?  Cold blooded.


I agree with rhis.  Put them back up.  Well deserved .
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 11, 2018, 12:36:39 PM
Fine by me!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 11, 2018, 01:28:34 PM
The Super Bowl runner up OC spurned the Colts, so they go out and get the Super Bowl winning OC. Frank Reich to Indy.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on February 11, 2018, 05:46:38 PM
Seems that this man is having some serious issues. 2nd offense, and it's a big one!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/11/report-49ers-reuben-foster-arrested-in-domestic-violence-case/

Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 11, 2018, 06:06:27 PM
The Super Bowl runner up OC spurned the Colts, so they go out and get the Super Bowl winning OC. Frank Reich to Indy.

Well that’s one way to say “go f yourself”.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: kingshmegland on February 11, 2018, 06:17:17 PM
The Super Bowl runner up OC spurned the Colts, so they go out and get the Super Bowl winning OC. Frank Reich to Indy.

Well that’s one way to say “go f yourself”.

Or it's the best option since "Go F yourself" gets you 0 wins.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: El Barto on February 11, 2018, 07:58:24 PM
I recall a funny story about some poor bastard having his life destroyed, twice, by Frank Reich. Bet heavily on a college game and lost the farm when Frank Reich came in in the second half and threw six touchdowns in the greatest comeback in college football history. Ten years later he bets the farm on Houston in the playoffs, only to have Reich start in place of Jim Kelly and again lead the biggest comeback in history. Don't know if it's true, but I wouldn't bet against the guy.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: Rattlehead on February 12, 2018, 06:52:36 AM
I'm happy for Indy, they deserved someone with his potential after what happened with McD.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: Stadler on February 12, 2018, 08:19:21 AM
Huge fan of Frank Reich, from way back (I actually remember watching that second game that el Barto referred to in real time; it was amazing).   I hope he does well.  I guess I'm tone-deaf to all this because I don't get any sense of karma or schadenfreude or anything like that.  They hired a coach.  They have questions at quarterback.   I don't see "Indy' as anything different than about 15 or 20 other teams in the league.   
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: Nick on February 12, 2018, 08:22:02 AM
Seems that this man is having some serious issues. 2nd offense, and it's a big one!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/11/report-49ers-reuben-foster-arrested-in-domestic-violence-case/


What an awful downer in an otherwise forward looking off-season. If he is found guilty of anything serious I really hope they cut him. I don't care how good he is, I wouldn't want that kind of asterisk following around the team going forward.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: Stadler on February 12, 2018, 08:29:08 AM
Knock the Pats all you want, but  odds are, if he was a Patriot, he'd be gone by now.


By the way, as a Pats fan, I'm kinda looking forward to this season.  You've got Bill, with perhaps the greatest motivational tools of his career ("See what all the sidebar bullshit got us?  See what all the distractions got us?") and you've got the greatest QB of all time with something to prove (look what happened after he was wrongly accused and wrongly punished for "Deflategate").  Gonna be a good year, baring unforeseen injury.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: KevShmev on February 12, 2018, 10:03:52 AM
Brady has nothing left to prove.

Oh, and what happened the season after he was accused of deflating footballs?  He got to the AFCCG, where the Broncos knocked the crap out of him and sent him home.  :coolio
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: kingshmegland on February 12, 2018, 11:17:05 AM
Thank God for Denver fans that defense was all world.  A Nasty, fast, aggressive D.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: jingle.boy on February 12, 2018, 11:33:49 AM
Thank God for Denver fans that defense was all world.  A Nasty, fast, aggressive D.

Absolutely.  Lots (most?) of Super Bowls are won by the defence.  You guys stopped The Greatest Show on Turf to win Brady's 1st ring.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: kingshmegland on February 12, 2018, 11:35:29 AM
Amen to that. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 12, 2018, 01:39:35 PM
You guys stopped The Greatest Show on Turf to win Brady's 1st ring.

A sissy, passive.....prevent defense with way too much time on the clock when a field goal could win it was behind that SB loss for the Rams. The Rams came back and scored (14) pts in the fourth quarter to tie it only to hand the ball over and trust their defense to hold, then they just play back and allow massive yardage gains instead of staying hungry and going after the Pats.

The Pats have won (5) Super Bowls.....but I consider that first one to be more of a situation where the Rams lost it....rather than the Pats winning it.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: jingle.boy on February 12, 2018, 01:49:37 PM
You guys stopped The Greatest Show on Turf to win Brady's 1st ring.

A sissy, passive.....prevent defense with way too much time on the clock when a field goal could win it was behind that SB loss for the Rams. The Rams came back and scored (14) pts in the fourth quarter to tie it only to hand the ball over and trust their defense to hold, then they just play back and allow massive yardage gains instead of staying hungry and going after the Pats.

The Pats have won (5) Super Bowls.....but I consider that first one to be more of a situation where the Rams lost it....rather than the Pats winning it.

Of course you do :lol.  Look, they held the team that averaged 31+ points per game in the regular season (plus 45 and 29 in the 2 playoff games) to 17 with three takeaways.  Don't dismiss that as a failing of the offense.  The Rams didn't suddenly forget how to score.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 12, 2018, 01:54:42 PM
I'm sure that every team that lost to NE in the Super Bowl feel like they lost the game versus NE winning the game. That tends to happen when they're one score games.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: kingshmegland on February 12, 2018, 03:04:16 PM
You guys stopped The Greatest Show on Turf to win Brady's 1st ring.

A sissy, passive.....prevent defense with way too much time on the clock when a field goal could win it was behind that SB loss for the Rams. The Rams came back and scored (14) pts in the fourth quarter to tie it only to hand the ball over and trust their defense to hold, then they just play back and allow massive yardage gains instead of staying hungry and going after the Pats.

The Pats have won (5) Super Bowls.....but I consider that first one to be more of a situation where the Rams lost it....rather than the Pats winning it.

That Pats team punched the giant right in the chops.  It was their game to lose. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 12, 2018, 03:18:20 PM
Nothing good happens after midnight. Kareem Hunt just found that out the hard way.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: pg1067 on February 12, 2018, 03:27:07 PM
That Pats team punched the giant right in the chops.  It was their game to lose.

And then, when it was THEIR games to lose, then failed to punch the Giants in the chops.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: kingshmegland on February 12, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
No, the Giants punch the Pat's in the chops.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 12, 2018, 05:33:37 PM
You guys stopped The Greatest Show on Turf to win Brady's 1st ring.

A sissy, passive.....prevent defense with way too much time on the clock when a field goal could win it was behind that SB loss for the Rams. The Rams came back and scored (14) pts in the fourth quarter to tie it only to hand the ball over and trust their defense to hold, then they just play back and allow massive yardage gains instead of staying hungry and going after the Pats.

The Pats have won (5) Super Bowls.....but I consider that first one to be more of a situation where the Rams lost it....rather than the Pats winning it.

Of course you do :lol.  Look, they held the team that averaged 31+ points per game in the regular season (plus 45 and 29 in the 2 playoff games) to 17 with three takeaways.  Don't dismiss that as a failing of the offense.  The Rams didn't suddenly forget how to score.

well it’s not tough to stifle a super power offense when you’re able to study their game plan via a video taped walk through  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: kingshmegland on February 12, 2018, 06:02:34 PM
 :lol

Faslehoods!! It amazes me the folklore and the damage from a writer that does not get his sources .
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 12, 2018, 07:01:41 PM
You guys stopped The Greatest Show on Turf to win Brady's 1st ring.

A sissy, passive.....prevent defense with way too much time on the clock when a field goal could win it was behind that SB loss for the Rams. The Rams came back and scored (14) pts in the fourth quarter to tie it only to hand the ball over and trust their defense to hold, then they just play back and allow massive yardage gains instead of staying hungry and going after the Pats.

The Pats have won (5) Super Bowls.....but I consider that first one to be more of a situation where the Rams lost it....rather than the Pats winning it.

Of course you do :lol.  Look, they held the team that averaged 31+ points per game in the regular season (plus 45 and 29 in the 2 playoff games) to 17 with three takeaways.  Don't dismiss that as a failing of the offense.  The Rams didn't suddenly forget how to score.

well it’s not tough to stifle a super power offense when you’re able to study their game plan via a video taped walk through  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: kingshmegland on February 12, 2018, 07:06:31 PM
I laugh at those who are conspiracy theorists.   It's been debunked.  No videos of walk throughs.  Videos durring games.  Yes.


Do your homework and find the Jay Glazier video he got. There is just a much spying on the cheerleaders as signals. :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: KevShmev on February 12, 2018, 07:39:41 PM
Turnovers were why the Rams lost that game.  They Rams moved the ball up and down the field all day, but 3 turnovers killed them.

And I would point out how the Patriots pick-6 should have been wiped out by the Patriots pass rusher hitting Warner in the head as he released the ball, but, yeah. :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: TAC on February 12, 2018, 07:41:49 PM
Did you guys have to pass some special Sports Complaining Test to live in the St. Louis area?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: Rattlehead on February 12, 2018, 07:45:43 PM
Just out of curiosity, do people really think everything the Patriots have ever done as far as cheating is accessible to the public to look up on the internet? Not trying to come off as an ass, but I've heard evidence was destroyed in several cases. Who really knows what happened...
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: kingshmegland on February 12, 2018, 08:05:36 PM
Turnovers were why the Rams lost that game.  They Rams moved the ball up and down the field all day, but 3 turnovers killed them.

And I would point out how the Patriots pick-6 should have been wiped out by the Patriots pass rusher hitting Warner in the head as he released the ball, but, yeah. :lol :lol

Oh yeah.   :lol. I remember that.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 12, 2018, 10:36:34 PM
Did you guys have to pass some special Sports Complaining Test to live in the St. Louis area?

It all started in the third grade when Little Jimmy Red Hands clearly cheated at four square. You can’t double hit....everyone knows that but he did, and right on front of Ms. Tate I might add who was the official score keeper.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: Stadler on February 13, 2018, 10:54:40 AM
Nothing good happens after midnight. Kareem Hunt just found that out the hard way.

HAHAHA, my dad used to always say that to me as I was growing up.  :)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: Stadler on February 13, 2018, 11:04:22 AM
Just out of curiosity, do people really think everything the Patriots have ever done as far as cheating is accessible to the public to look up on the internet? Not trying to come off as an ass, but I've heard evidence was destroyed in several cases. Who really knows what happened...

This is as much to Gary and King as you, but honest question:  So what?  The rules are the rules, I get that, and as a lawyer, I'm a rules guy by nature.  We live by the letter of the law, and we die by the letter of the law.   But - and I do not extend this to crimes that infringe on clear, enumerated rights, like "killing someone" or the like - to some degree, there is no obligation to comport with any law IF YOU ARE WILLING TO LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES.    Speed limits are clear; I speed.   I also don't complain when I get a speeding ticket.   I can't say I ALWAYS do this, but there are certainly times when I think to myself, "Is this trip worth $250 and a couple of points on my license?"   

I think this idea that every Pats win is tainted is nonsense.  I hate to reduce it to a cliché, but if you're not cheating you're not trying.  I can remember playing hockey (I was a defenseman) and in the slot, the first thing I'd do is put my hand on the other guys stick - that's a signature for you! - which is a 2:00 penalty, IF I GOT CAUGHT.  I got caught once, early on, and figured out there was a way of doing it that was very hard to detect.   

Sean Payton and the Saints.  Maybe they took it a little too far with having money involved, but if you don't think that teams know who's hurt and factor that into their game plan - on both sides of the ball - you're not really paying attention.  I'm not saying they try to hurt the other team, but certainly they're looking for any edge.  So-and-so has a sore ankle?  Try to force him to make cuts on that foot. All day long.   

Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: jingle.boy on February 13, 2018, 11:13:14 AM
So, the only crime is in getting caught?   ;D  Interesting view coming from a lawyer.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2018, 11:14:27 AM
I think there's a difference in operating in the grey zone and knowingly cheating.  Things like videotaping walkthroughs is cheating where as the deflating the balls is grey zone in my mind.  The reason why I don't hold these too hard against the Pats, and still think the Pats (Brady and BB) are the GOAT, is because I don't even think they needed these slight advantages.  Which makes it even more mind boggling that they did any of these things.  But I think that's the competitive nature to try and get every edge.  I also don't believe it when people say "everyone" is doing it.  That's not the case, but I think there's more than just those who get caught. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: TAC on February 13, 2018, 11:23:10 AM
I think there's a difference in operating in the grey zone and knowingly cheating.  Things like videotaping walkthroughs is cheating where as the deflating the balls is grey zone in my mind.

They didn't videotape walkthroughs.


And I'm not directing this at you, Cram, but do people even know what Spygate was about? What actually happened?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2018, 11:28:04 AM
I think there's a difference in operating in the grey zone and knowingly cheating.  Things like videotaping walkthroughs is cheating where as the deflating the balls is grey zone in my mind.

They didn't videotape walkthroughs.


And I'm not directing this at you, Cram, but do people even know what Spygate was about? What actually happened?

Yea my memory si a bit fuzzy but just reread this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_New_England_Patriots_videotaping_controversy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_New_England_Patriots_videotaping_controversy) and I guess my memory fuzz is due to the retracted article stating that, but there is definitely still some questions about it that were left unanswered.  I shouldn't judge them because of that so I'll take back my statement, but instead replace it with videotaping from the sideline.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: kingshmegland on February 13, 2018, 11:40:28 AM
I think there's a difference in operating in the grey zone and knowingly cheating.  Things like videotaping walkthroughs is cheating where as the deflating the balls is grey zone in my mind.

They didn't videotape walkthroughs.


And I'm not directing this at you, Cram, but do people even know what Spygate was about? What actually happened?

Don't forget about the bugs planted in the opposing locker rooms, the headsets going out.  I could go on about these made up baloney.  They got caught in the first quarter of the first game filming from the sidelines.  It was allowed the year before.  BB was an ass for doing that after the memo came out before the start of the season.  The Pats got what they deserved for BB's arrogance but now, all this has become larger than life where myths become reality. 

 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2018, 11:44:17 AM
Well, it seems more of a #fakenews argument really since it was reported and retracted.  But I think the reason more myths come out is because of the ball deflating thing.  It makes it look like there's more shadiness than what we know because they are put under the "cheating" spotlight a second time.  I'll also agree that there's probably an aspect of the wild goose chase, that the Pats must be doing something wrong because of all the success.  I still think they didn't need any of these "advantages".
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: Stadler on February 13, 2018, 11:44:37 AM
So, the only crime is in getting caught?   ;D  Interesting view coming from a lawyer.

Why is it surprising?   I have worn three legal hats in my day: environmental, contracts, and commercial attorney.   I make my money (now) on the latter, but if I have any expertise in this world, it is in contracts.   I have taught the rudiments of contract law over the years, and I almost always share a tidbit that my law school contracts professor told us:   someone in the class said that someone was "wrong" for breaching the contract, and he said point blank:  get it out of your head that "breaching a contract" has a morally bad component.  If it makes sense for the parties to breach it is absolutely in society's best interest (using concepts of "utility") for them to breach.  This is why the remedy for contract breaches is almost always "to put the parties in the same position they would have been but for the breach". 

Again, I have a different take when the crimes involve a violation of someone else's fundamental rights - it's not okay to say "well, it's worth it to me to spend 10 years in the pen and be on the registry to have sex - even if forced - with that girl."  There are probably issues that are grey here - stealing comes to mind - and I recognize that some crimes have consequences that go beyond just "a fine" but as a general proposition, I think this is a consistent position to take between "laws", "rights" and "free will". 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: kingshmegland on February 13, 2018, 11:50:05 AM
Well, it seems more of a #fakenews argument really since it was reported and retracted.  But I think the reason more myths come out is because of the ball deflating thing.  It makes it look like there's more shadiness than what we know because they are put under the "cheating" spotlight a second time.  I'll also agree that there's probably an aspect of the wild goose chase, that the Pats must be doing something wrong because of all the success.  I still think they didn't need any of these "advantages".

I know this will drive Kev crazy but all teams look for an advantage.  The Pats got caught once.  I don't count Deflategate.  That was a made up lynching of one of the greatest players ever in the league.  So where are the results the league office was supposed to release?  We all know the answer why.  The funny thing is the league opened the door to it being all about the office's power and in 2020, there will be a lockout of this power. 


Makes you wonder if the league office is throwing a bone to the players and allowed them to celebrate TD's hoping to make them forget the power Goodell has.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2018, 11:53:23 AM
I agree all teams look for an advantage, but some go further than others.  My opinion is the Pats have done this.  I don't think they are some big cheaters, but I don't think you can just sweep their actions under the rug either.  I don't really think it affects their legacy as that speaks for itself IMO.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: kingshmegland on February 13, 2018, 11:54:41 AM
I just think they suck at not getting caught. :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2018, 12:01:12 PM
Well I'd think as part of the other teams trying to find any advantage, one way would be to try to catch the Pats/opponent cheating.  The Pats have a target on their backs so most teams will be more likely to dig deep enough to uncover whatever dirt they can whereas no one looks for what the Browns are doing to get an edge.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: pg1067 on February 13, 2018, 12:03:49 PM
The Patriots are below average cheaters (http://yourteamcheats.com/NE).

My Broncos, the Jets and the Colts are much more prolific (http://yourteamcheats.com/).

(For what it's worth)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: El Barto on February 13, 2018, 01:35:42 PM
Well, it seems more of a #fakenews argument really since it was reported and retracted.  But I think the reason more myths come out is because of the ball deflating thing.  It makes it look like there's more shadiness than what we know because they are put under the "cheating" spotlight a second time.  I'll also agree that there's probably an aspect of the wild goose chase, that the Pats must be doing something wrong because of all the success.  I still think they didn't need any of these "advantages".
This isn't wrong, but it gets all kinds of convoluted since the deflating thing was only a thing at all because of the myth. It becomes a sort of self-perpetuating myth.

Also, as I've said in the past we love people who push the boundaries. The closer you get to the line without going over the more revered you are. Yet once you go one micron over that line you're fucking scum and should be banned for life. There's kind of a contradiction in our values here.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: TAC on February 13, 2018, 01:44:23 PM
The Patriots are below average cheaters (http://yourteamcheats.com/NE).

My Broncos, the Jets and the Colts are much more prolific (http://yourteamcheats.com/).

(For what it's worth)

Kev, say it ain't so!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: kingshmegland on February 13, 2018, 02:09:57 PM
Let me answer for Kev.

That site was made by a Patriots fan.  I don't trust it.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: axeman90210 on February 13, 2018, 02:42:37 PM
What a coincidence, three of the Pats bigger rivals over the last 20 years are the three teams found to have cheated the most.

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: kingshmegland on February 13, 2018, 02:59:22 PM
What a coincidence, three of the Pats bigger rivals over the last 20 years are the three teams found to have cheated the most.

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Wait, are you saying the Jets are our Rivals? :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2018, 03:03:31 PM
Well, it seems more of a #fakenews argument really since it was reported and retracted.  But I think the reason more myths come out is because of the ball deflating thing.  It makes it look like there's more shadiness than what we know because they are put under the "cheating" spotlight a second time.  I'll also agree that there's probably an aspect of the wild goose chase, that the Pats must be doing something wrong because of all the success.  I still think they didn't need any of these "advantages".
This isn't wrong, but it gets all kinds of convoluted since the deflating thing was only a thing at all because of the myth. It becomes a sort of self-perpetuating myth.

Also, as I've said in the past we love people who push the boundaries. The closer you get to the line without going over the more revered you are. Yet once you go one micron over that line you're fucking scum and should be banned for life. There's kind of a contradiction in our values here.

Well who's values exactly?  The team, the fans?  You or me?  I mean. I'm not disagreeing, but I firmly believe there are some that still do things the "right" way and can still push boundaries without going overboard and I don't think that is really contradictory.  My values, personally, are not to "win at all costs" because I don't want my teams winning with some tarnish to them, or any reasoning to believe they didn't win fairly.  I don't think this really applies to the Pats, but in general that's how I feel about cheating.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: El Barto on February 13, 2018, 04:41:46 PM
Well, it seems more of a #fakenews argument really since it was reported and retracted.  But I think the reason more myths come out is because of the ball deflating thing.  It makes it look like there's more shadiness than what we know because they are put under the "cheating" spotlight a second time.  I'll also agree that there's probably an aspect of the wild goose chase, that the Pats must be doing something wrong because of all the success.  I still think they didn't need any of these "advantages".
This isn't wrong, but it gets all kinds of convoluted since the deflating thing was only a thing at all because of the myth. It becomes a sort of self-perpetuating myth.

Also, as I've said in the past we love people who push the boundaries. The closer you get to the line without going over the more revered you are. Yet once you go one micron over that line you're fucking scum and should be banned for life. There's kind of a contradiction in our values here.

Well who's values exactly?  The team, the fans?  You or me?  I mean. I'm not disagreeing, but I firmly believe there are some that still do things the "right" way and can still push boundaries without going overboard and I don't think that is really contradictory.  My values, personally, are not to "win at all costs" because I don't want my teams winning with some tarnish to them, or any reasoning to believe they didn't win fairly.  I don't think this really applies to the Pats, but in general that's how I feel about cheating.
I'm not sure what you mean by "the 'right' way" in this context. It just seems to me that people like when somebody goes as close to the edge of the rulebook as they can, which is still "right." Remember how respectful people were to Belichick when they punked the Ravens with the tackle ineligible play? That was exploiting the rulebook. Yet the second you crossover that line, even inadvertently, you become tainted for all time. I just think it'd be nice for people who credit cleverness to take that into account if things get turned around.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: cramx3 on February 13, 2018, 04:57:56 PM
But that cleverness in the example was perfectly fine cause it was in the rules, and yes to me, "the right way" of skirting the rules to your advantage.  When you go to far, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying "you are now cheating and I don't like it".  Sometimes that happens by mistake from playing on the edge, and sometimes that happens because you get greedy.  Either way, I dont think it's contradictory to like living on the edge vs. getting upset when you go over the edge. 

There's an example of skirting the rulebook that was fair game, that I didn't like when I saw it in college. I guess there are exemptions to my above feelings.  PSU vs. Wisconsin in 2006 where it was almost the end of the half and Wisconsin kept being offsides on the kick off which lead to a penalty and but the clock would run down during the kick off leading to a 3rd kick off and the end of the half.  The reason I don't like it is because it lead to kick off situations where the players could get injured but goddamn was that a genuis way to skirt and manipulate the rules.  It certainly worked, and the rules were changed later. 
http://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/college/s_478506.html (http://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/college/s_478506.html)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: El Barto on February 13, 2018, 05:16:31 PM
But that cleverness in the example was perfectly fine cause it was in the rules, and yes to me, "the right way" of skirting the rules to your advantage.  When you go to far, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying "you are now cheating and I don't like it".  Sometimes that happens by mistake from playing on the edge, and sometimes that happens because you get greedy.  Either way, I dont think it's contradictory to like living on the edge vs. getting upset when you go over the edge. 
We're in agreement here. Mine is a problem of scale. It's alright to say "you are now cheating and I don't like it." We don't do that, though. We say "you're a fucking cheater and everything you've ever done, do, or will do, is now tainted. Asshole." And even then we only do it with people we already dislike. Nobody gives a shit when San Diego's receivers put stick-em on their gloves, or when Denver's linemen slathered Vaseline all over their arms. Imagine if the Cheatriots were caught doing something like that. All hell would break loose.  A vortex would form over St Louis after Kev sucks all the air out of the Earth's atmosphere. We just don't evaluate things well, particularly when emotions are already stirred.

Quote
There's an example of skirting the rulebook that was fair game, that I didn't like when I saw it in college. I guess there are exemptions to my above feelings.  PSU vs. Wisconsin in 2006 where it was almost the end of the half and Wisconsin kept being offsides on the kick off which lead to a penalty and but the clock would run down during the kick off leading to a 3rd kick off and the end of the half.  The reason I don't like it is because it lead to kick off situations where the players could get injured but goddamn was that a genuis way to skirt and manipulate the rules.  It certainly worked, and the rules were changed later. 
http://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/college/s_478506.html (http://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/college/s_478506.html)
Brilliant. I love it.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: KevShmev on February 13, 2018, 05:57:50 PM


I know this will drive Kev crazy but all teams look for an advantage. 



Why would that drive me crazy? I have never argued otherwise.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: kingshmegland on February 13, 2018, 06:10:42 PM
In the past you've argued about it.  Maybe you have changed your stance. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: KevShmev on February 13, 2018, 06:18:54 PM
In the past you've argued about it.  Maybe you have changed your stance.

Not true. I might have argued that the Pats push the envelope more than many other teams, but I never would have said that every team doesn't look for an advantage.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: kingshmegland on February 13, 2018, 06:22:51 PM
Maybe I'm blurring things.   Let's push the envelope together Kev!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: TAC on February 13, 2018, 06:40:58 PM
In the past you've argued about it.  Maybe you have changed your stance.

Not true. I might have argued that the Pats push the envelope more than many other teams, but I never would have said that every team doesn't look for an advantage.

Well while you may have said that every team looks for an advantage, it was likely followed with "but they don't cheat like the Patriots."  ;D
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 14, 2018, 12:14:40 PM
Assuming that Washington doesn't tag Cousins in an effort to try to trade him, and he is a free agent. Where do you think he'll sign? Where would you sign if you were him?

For me, I'd be torn between Minnesota or Jacksonville, but would be happy to go to either. Minnesota seems to be the slightly better choice, and Jacksonville might wind up on the hook for Bortles to the tune of 19 million next year
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: Rattlehead on February 14, 2018, 07:31:19 PM
From what I've read, Jacksonville is pretty high on Bortles, so I'm not sure if they're a potential landing spot for Cousins. It sounds to me like Denver is making a serious push to sign him. It was reported today that they want to keep Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders to attempt to lure a "top QB" to Denver, which is obviously Cousins. A lot of Denver fans including myself felt like Sanders and/or Thomas were on their way out before today. I just get the feeling that Elway is not going to attempt to solve the QB problem through the draft again after botching the position for two straight seasons. A few veterans on the team have also been very vocal in their support of the team going after Cousins.

Still, it's going to be a real challenge to sign Cousins considering the amount money that he'll command. I think he'll wind up in either Denver, Minnesota or Arizona given that he's said that his main priority is winning games. Minnesota seems to be the most attractive option after last season, but I think Denver and Arizona could easily become contenders again with a QB like Cousins. Denver has a lot of ammunition to improve their roster in the draft if they're able to address the QB position by signing Cousins. If I haven't made myself clear, I'm dying to see Denver sign Cousins and hopefully get back to their winning ways  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: kingshmegland on February 14, 2018, 07:44:38 PM
Did I miss something Chris? :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. FLY EAGLES FLY
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 14, 2018, 08:40:16 PM
What a coincidence, three of the Pats bigger rivals over the last 20 years are the three teams found to have cheated the most.

 :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Wait, are you saying the Jets are our Rivals? :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

I’m simultaneously offended and in agreeance with you. Hopefully in the next five years it will actually be a rivalry again.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: kingshmegland on February 14, 2018, 08:46:57 PM
In this day and age, it's all about a QB.  Then the elite teams need a D. Hard to get all together.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: Rattlehead on February 16, 2018, 06:13:55 PM
I'm happy for AJ McCarron that he'll finally get a shot at a starting job on another team. I was impressed with what I saw back in 2015. I have a feeling that he'll end up with his former OC Hue Jackson in Cleveland, and they won't have to cough up the high draft picks to get him like they were originally planning on doing before they screwed up the trade... the Bengals can't seem to catch a break  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: black_biff_stadler on February 19, 2018, 07:58:26 PM
I've got a question about the way sacks are determined on plays where the QB fumbles. Unless I misunderstood something, you're automatically credited with a sack if you force the QB to fumble behind the line of scrimmage as long as he never crossed the LOS at any point prior to the fumble. This seems at odds to me because a sack is generally earned by making a QB down by contact behind the LOS and it's impossible to fumble if you're already down.

That's not my specific question though, rather it's just another qualm/confusion I have with how they're tallied.

My actual question is: if a defender registers a sack by forcing a QB to fumble, then the QB picks up the ball and tries to keep the play alive (all while never crossing the LOS or establishing himself as a runner), then the QB is sacked, is it possible to be credited with multiple sacks on the same play?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: PowerSlave on February 19, 2018, 08:34:02 PM
My actual question is: if a defender registers a sack by forcing a QB to fumble, then the QB picks up the ball and tries to keep the play alive (all while never crossing the LOS or establishing himself as a runner), then the QB is sacked, is it possible to be credited with multiple sacks on the same play?

Don't hold me to this, but I think that to be credited with a sack there would either have to be a change of possession on the fumble, or an end of play. If I'm correct then the defender that caused the fumble would only be credited with a forced fumble, and the defender that tackled the QB would be credited with a sack.

However, the QB might be considered a runner after he recovers the initial fumble, so the second defender might only be credited with a tackle for a loss.

This is a very interesting question. I'm not really sure how a scenario like that would work.


Edit was to correct my phone's auto-correct... Damn you, technology!!!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: black_biff_stadler on February 19, 2018, 08:52:47 PM
Good points and insights :tup Thanks for trying to tackle it.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: Rattlehead on February 20, 2018, 05:35:43 PM
Don't hold me to this, but I think that to be credited with a sack there would either have to be a change of possession on the fumble, or an end of play. If I'm correct then the defender that caused the fumble would only be credited with a forced fumble, and the defender that tackled the QB would be credited with a sack.

That's exactly the way I see it too, I think you explained it well. A sack is an end result of a play so there couldn't be more than one on the same play. If the QB is stripped and the ball goes out of bounds (or is recovered by the defense), then the defender gets credit for a sack and forced fumble because the play is over, but if the QB picks it back up, the play is still alive so the defender would only be credited with a forced fumble.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on February 24, 2018, 05:45:10 PM
Jacksonville is sticking with Bortles.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000917453/article/jags-blake-bortles-agree-on-3year-54m-contract?campaign=fb-nf-sf182962183-sf182962183&sf182962183=1&utm_source=m.facebook.com&utm_medium=referral
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: KevShmev on February 24, 2018, 10:46:32 PM
Jacksonville knows talent when they see it.  Blake Bortles has the look of a guy who will win multiple Super Bowls.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on February 24, 2018, 11:48:52 PM
Jacksonville knows talent when they see it.  Blake Bortles has the look of a guy who will win multiple Super Bowls.

Is that sarcasm?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: KevShmev on February 25, 2018, 08:57:10 AM
Why would that be sarcasm?

Not that his legacy isn't already intact, but years from now, the legend of Tom Brady will be bolstered even further when we look back and see that he somehow managed a playoff win against Blake Bortles. 

It's still hard to believe.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: kingshmegland on February 25, 2018, 01:10:52 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: TAC on February 28, 2018, 07:50:00 PM
https://www.weei.com/blogs/weei/robert-krafts-girlfriend-ricki-noel-lander-reportedly-welcomes-baby


I don't even...
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: kingshmegland on February 28, 2018, 07:55:54 PM
That's because you dont have the money to seed that late in life. :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: TAC on February 28, 2018, 08:02:10 PM
That's because you dont have the money to seed that late in life. :lol

I don't have the money to seed THIS late in life!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: KevShmev on February 28, 2018, 08:04:57 PM
Yeah, but a little will get you the viagra you need. :P
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: kingshmegland on February 28, 2018, 08:33:18 PM
Still need to be rich to seed those young hotties.  Viagra won't get you them. :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: jingle.boy on February 28, 2018, 09:12:57 PM
She's 39 years old, and frankly... not even that hot.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: El Barto on February 28, 2018, 09:50:01 PM
She's 39 years old, and frankly... not even that hot.
I think I'm definitely gonna go with hot on that one. Knocking her up is pretty creepy in my book, but it's cool he's out having a good time.

Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: PowerSlave on February 28, 2018, 11:58:53 PM
I just did a GIS on her. She's ok, I guess. I'm not really into blondes that much, so that could be skewing my opinion.

Good for him to be getting some tail at that age, though. I'm guessing that most of us will be looking back at our youth thinking about bumping uglies when we reach that age. The most action that we're liable to be getting at that point is our balls sagging just enough to skim the top of the toilet water.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: Stadler on March 01, 2018, 07:04:02 AM
Read the article:  he's not the biological father.  So... while part of me says "good for him for being a standup guy", part of me says "that's even creepier". 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: El Barto on March 01, 2018, 08:18:53 AM
Some of us did read the article. That update was added well after the initial post.

I'd say that's less creepy now. Maybe the gal just wanted to have a kid, was running out of time, and Bob didn't want to be the father. Or, maybe he's just a cuck. Either way, the pictures suggest that he really digs having her around, and he can certainly afford her, so more power to him.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: Stadler on March 01, 2018, 08:35:16 AM
Some of us did read the article. That update was added well after the initial post.

I'd say that's less creepy now. Maybe the gal just wanted to have a kid, was running out of time, and Bob didn't want to be the father. Or, maybe he's just a cuck. Either way, the pictures suggest that he really digs having her around, and he can certainly afford her, so more power to him.

I'm sorry; that came off dick-ier than I meant it.  I meant it more to just call out that the article was updated...   

For all the greatness that is the Pats, and I'm a huge fan of the Pats, there's something about Kraft that I don't get.   He can't be a dumb guy, but he comes off that way a lot.  We joke about his hitting the scotch during games, and I don't know if that's it, but in the interviews I've seen, he's just as likely to come off as the doddering old fool than the sharp, crisp business genius, and this just sort of feeds into that.   I can see this being an episode of Bull where Bull exposes the conniving, two-timing mistress taking advantage of the slightly senile, but extremely well-meaning old rich guy.

Of course I have ZERO evidence to back this up - save for a couple dodgy post-game interviews - so it's probably all in my head.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. The New England Patriots thread based on volume of posts
Post by: kingshmegland on March 01, 2018, 08:38:30 AM
I didn't read it because who gives a crap about an owner's personal life.  I care more about the team moving forward than a love child from him or from someone else. 


It's weird, the older I get, the less I care for "Star Magazine" type stories.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: Nick on March 02, 2018, 11:04:06 AM
I didn't read it because who gives a crap about an owner's personal life.  I care more about the team moving forward than a love child from him or from someone else. 


It's weird, the older I get, the less I care for "Star Magazine" type stories.

Then you won't care much for this story:

http://www.cnn.com/news/new-hampshire-man-known-as-king-reportedly-caught-having-three-way-with-goat-and-empty-locally-brewed-beer-bottle
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: kingshmegland on March 02, 2018, 11:37:55 AM
Did you make that link up? :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: DragonAttack on March 02, 2018, 10:02:57 PM
Side stepping a bit.......went up to Philly yesterday to the Ben Franklin Institute to see the Terricotta Warriors exhibit (great name for a rock band).  Anyhoo, driving by Lincoln Field on I-95, and there wasn't anything visible from the expressway regarding the Eagles' SB win.  Found it rather surprising. 

(and fortunate we headed back early, before I-95 was totally shut down due to high winds over the Tydings Bridge.  The 90 mile trip would now take 5 1/2 hours)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: Stadler on March 03, 2018, 07:44:04 AM
Did you make that link up? :lol

Wait, YOU'RE the one asking that??
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: kingshmegland on March 03, 2018, 07:52:27 AM
Did you make that link up? :lol

Wait, YOU'RE the one asking that??


Yeah.  Of course.  Lol. It fits everything about me except the goat.  I prefer sheep.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: cramx3 on March 05, 2018, 09:28:45 AM
I didn't read it because who gives a crap about an owner's personal life.  I care more about the team moving forward than a love child from him or from someone else. 


It's weird, the older I get, the less I care for "Star Magazine" type stories.

Then you won't care much for this story:

http://www.cnn.com/news/new-hampshire-man-known-as-king-reportedly-caught-having-three-way-with-goat-and-empty-locally-brewed-beer-bottle

Wow, good thing I didn't mention this to my gf otherwise there would be no way she'd let me meet up with King  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: kaos2900 on March 05, 2018, 09:40:13 AM
Good lord, when does the season start?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: kingshmegland on March 05, 2018, 09:47:30 AM
I didn't read it because who gives a crap about an owner's personal life.  I care more about the team moving forward than a love child from him or from someone else. 


It's weird, the older I get, the less I care for "Star Magazine" type stories.

Then you won't care much for this story:

http://www.cnn.com/news/new-hampshire-man-known-as-king-reportedly-caught-having-three-way-with-goat-and-empty-locally-brewed-beer-bottle

Wow, good thing I didn't mention this to my gf otherwise there would be no way she'd let me meet up with King  :lol

 :lol  You should make up a thread about meetups and how significant others think your going to get kidnapped. :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 06, 2018, 08:10:01 AM
Bell has announced that the Steelers intend to tag him again if they can't come to an agreement on a new deal by today's deadline.

News from Philly is that while they're not actively shopping Foles, teams have inquired and they'll consider trades involving a first round pick.


Kirk Cousins remains the first domino that needs to fall. It will be interesting as to what he decides. Word is the final four teams for him are Minnesota, N.Y. Jets, Arizona and Denver. Between himself, Foles, and the crop of QBs available through the draft, this will make for a very interesting offseason.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 06, 2018, 08:14:59 AM
Bell has announced that the Steelers intend to tag him again if they can't come to an agreement on a new deal by today's deadline.

I really, really wish the Steelers would take that $14.5 million and invest in a good, middle of the road running back, and then spend the rest on defense. Their defense is what let them down last year.

They would be better off using a couple good RBs next year (rather than one stud RB) and improving our defense. That would make the overall team better, IMO.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 06, 2018, 08:48:38 AM
I agree with that. Bell is incredible, but the Steelers need much more help on defense. Maybe a tag and trade is in order, and if so, who would the suitors be?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: cramx3 on March 06, 2018, 08:54:01 AM
Kirk Cousins remains the first domino that needs to fall. It will be interesting as to what he decides. Word is the final four teams for him are Minnesota, N.Y. Jets, Arizona and Denver. Between himself, Foles, and the crop of QBs available through the draft, this will make for a very interesting offseason.

He's in for a big pay day for someone who's solid but not that deserving (IMO) of the money he's about to get.  He's in a great position with these teams that really want him.  Local sports radio in NYC is drooling with the idea of Cousins to the Jets.  It's almost like Cousins or bust for them.  At least that's the way the fan base is making it. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 06, 2018, 09:13:27 AM
Kirk Cousins remains the first domino that needs to fall. It will be interesting as to what he decides. Word is the final four teams for him are Minnesota, N.Y. Jets, Arizona and Denver. Between himself, Foles, and the crop of QBs available through the draft, this will make for a very interesting offseason.

He's in for a big pay day for someone who's solid but not that deserving (IMO) of the money he's about to get.  He's in a great position with these teams that really want him.  Local sports radio in NYC is drooling with the idea of Cousins to the Jets.  It's almost like Cousins or bust for them.  At least that's the way the fan base is making it.


If the Jets miss out on Cousins, and if McCown has it in him for one more year, I could see them getting whoever amongst Darnold, Rosen and Allen is left when they get on the clock.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: Stadler on March 06, 2018, 09:23:33 AM
My opinion only, but Kirk Cousins is the new poster boy for "Right Place, Right Time".   There just aren't a plethora of upper tier QBs in the league now, and those that are invariably have a "3" in their age, and a number that rounds up to 10 after that.   
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: Samsara on March 06, 2018, 09:28:18 AM
Kirk Cousins remains the first domino that needs to fall. It will be interesting as to what he decides. Word is the final four teams for him are Minnesota, N.Y. Jets, Arizona and Denver. Between himself, Foles, and the crop of QBs available through the draft, this will make for a very interesting offseason.

He's in for a big pay day for someone who's solid but not that deserving (IMO) of the money he's about to get.  He's in a great position with these teams that really want him.  Local sports radio in NYC is drooling with the idea of Cousins to the Jets.  It's almost like Cousins or bust for them.  At least that's the way the fan base is making it.


If the Jets miss out on Cousins, and if McCown has it in him for one more year, I could see them getting whoever amongst Darnold, Rosen and Allen is left when they get on the clock.

I can see it happening that way too. But frankly, I hope it doesn't. I am all for drafting a QB. But the Jets haven't drafted a starting QB that has been good since Chad Pennington (who would have had a solid career had it not been for injury). Sanchez sucked from the get-go, and everyone knew it, they just covered for him.

So yeah, I want Cousins. But if they end up not getting Cousins, I wouldn't mind bringing back McCown, and signing Teddy Bridgewater. I think Teddy can be the guy honestly. I've liked him since he was drafted, and now that he is fully healed, I wouldn't mind him on the team and going full-tilt against McCown for the starter's job. Both are heady veterans, and Teddy is young, so if he blossoms, we have our guy.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 06, 2018, 09:40:09 AM
I agree with that. Bell is incredible, but the Steelers need much more help on defense. Maybe a tag and trade is in order, and if so, who would the suitors be?

No clue honestly. Not sure if any team would pay that much for a RB in 2018. Some random GM probably would though.

My opinion only, but Kirk Cousins is the new poster boy for "Right Place, Right Time".   There just aren't a plethora of upper tier QBs in the league now, and those that are invariably have a "3" in their age, and a number that rounds up to 10 after that.   

Amen.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on March 06, 2018, 10:32:33 AM
Kirk Cousins remains the first domino that needs to fall. It will be interesting as to what he decides. Word is the final four teams for him are Minnesota, N.Y. Jets, Arizona and Denver. Between himself, Foles, and the crop of QBs available through the draft, this will make for a very interesting offseason.

He's in for a big pay day for someone who's solid but not that deserving (IMO) of the money he's about to get.  He's in a great position with these teams that really want him.  Local sports radio in NYC is drooling with the idea of Cousins to the Jets.  It's almost like Cousins or bust for them.  At least that's the way the fan base is making it.

I would love to have Cousins here in New York, but only at the right price. He’s a good QB but he isn’t Brady, Rodgers, or Brees. I honestly would be more upset if the Jets pay too much for him than I would if they don’t get him at all.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: lordxizor on March 06, 2018, 10:34:15 AM
I've heard the Jets are all-in on Cousins in terms of what they're willing to pay, but that the Vikings are the front runners given the stronger team and better chance of reaching a Super Bowl within the next couple seasons. He would have to take less money to play for the Vikings since they aren't willing to to hamstring themselves and sacrifice losing other players due to lack of cap space in a year or two. It really going to come down to whether Cousins wants more money or wants to have the batter chance of winning right away (and still get paid an obscene amount of money). It will be interesting to see which way it goes.

AS a Vikings fan I think I want them to sign Cousins. I think he's a better QB than Keenum, Bradford, or Bridgewater. If it doesn't work out, then I'd like them to sign Keenum out of those three, and I'd love to see them sign Bridgewater as the back-up if he can't find an opportunity to compete for a starting job.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: bosk1 on March 06, 2018, 10:37:20 AM
Has a Super Bowl MVP ever been traded the very next season?  Interesting times.

Well, for the first time in a little while, it's nice to see the 49ers NOT in the middle of a QB scramble and trying to figure out who their guy is.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: DragonAttack on March 06, 2018, 12:15:09 PM
Has a Super Bowl MVP ever been traded the very next season?  Interesting times.

A real quick look up and jogging my memory:  Other than retirements....Czonka skipped out for the WFL.  Larry Brown and Dexter Jackson became a FAs.  As to trades, Deion Branch held out/was traded in a fustercluck situation, and Santonio Holmes.   I think the latter four are the only ones to change teams.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: El Barto on March 06, 2018, 12:47:58 PM
Has a Super Bowl MVP ever been traded the very next season?  Interesting times.

A real quick look up and jogging my memory:  Other than retirements....Czonka skipped out for the WFL.  Larry Brown and Dexter Jackson became a FAs.  As to trades, Deion Branch held out/was traded in a fustercluck situation, and Santonio Holmes.   I think the latter four are the only ones to change teams.
I thought Deion Branch stuck around for one more year before the clusterfuck.

I think the closest analog is going to be Doug Williams. Came off the bench late in the season, kicked ass through the playoffs, won the SB MVP, and then lost his job in short order to Mark Rypien. The only real difference is that it wasn't Rypien he initially replaced.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: PowerSlave on March 06, 2018, 01:16:07 PM
Bell has announced that the Steelers intend to tag him again if they can't come to an agreement on a new deal by today's deadline.

I really, really wish the Steelers would take that $14.5 million and invest in a good, middle of the road running back, and then spend the rest on defense. Their defense is what let them down last year.

They would be better off using a couple good RBs next year (rather than one stud RB) and improving our defense. That would make the overall team better, IMO.

I completely agree. A good safety and middle linebacker. Or possibly a good defensive tackle.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: pg1067 on March 06, 2018, 01:28:09 PM
Has a Super Bowl MVP ever been traded the very next season?

No Super Bowl MVP has been traded in the off-season following the MVP win or during the following season, but several players have left their teams as free agents after winning the Super Bowl MVP:

Dexter Jackson signed with the Cardinals after winning the MVP for the Buccaneers in SB 37.  Interestingly, in signing with the Cardinals, he backed out of a verbal agreement to sign with the Steelers, and, as a result, the Steelers drafted Troy Polamalu.

Desmond Howard signed with the Raiders after winning the MVP for the Packers in SB 31.

Larry Brown signed with the Raiders after winning the MVP for the Cowboys in SB 30.

Larry Csonka signed with the WFL's Memphis Southern after winning the MVP for the Dolphins in SB 8.

I believe John Elway is the only MVP to retire after winning.

El Barto is correct that Branch played one more season with the Patriots before holding out and being traded to the Seahawks (same with Santonio Holmes).

Completely off-topic:  How is Chuck Howley not in the HoF??  Fifteen year career as a linebacker, with 25 interceptions and 18 fumble recoveries, who knows how many sacks, 5-time first team all-pro, and the first defensive player to win the Super Bowl MVP.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 06, 2018, 01:42:39 PM
Bell has announced that the Steelers intend to tag him again if they can't come to an agreement on a new deal by today's deadline.

I really, really wish the Steelers would take that $14.5 million and invest in a good, middle of the road running back, and then spend the rest on defense. Their defense is what let them down last year.

They would be better off using a couple good RBs next year (rather than one stud RB) and improving our defense. That would make the overall team better, IMO.

I completely agree. A good safety and middle linebacker. Or possibly a good defensive tackle.

Yup. Go out and pay a decent RB like 4 or 5 million and use the remaining 10 or so million to improve the weak part of your team.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: DragonAttack on March 06, 2018, 09:23:44 PM
Sorry I goofed on the trades.  For instance, when I checked Deion Branch, I saw he was the '05 SB MVP....thinking that was for the '05 season.  My bad. :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Kraft's Creepshow
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 07, 2018, 12:31:54 PM
Michael Bennett to the Eagles. Not sure how I feel about this.

Sounds like Sherman's not long for Seattle either.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shakeup in Seattle
Post by: KevShmev on March 07, 2018, 06:39:34 PM
On the one hand, it makes their front four even more ferocious, but on the other hand, a monster douche like Bennett could be a major locker room distraction. 

I continue to chuckle at the comments about how the defense never got over the "throwing it at the 1 instead of giving it to Marshawn Lynch" play, which allegedly cost them the Super Bowl.  Dopes like Richard Sherman think that cost the defense a repeat and immortality (they would have been the first all-world defense since the Steel Curtain to win TWO titles), but sorry, no, their defense blowing a double digit lead in the Super Bowl is why they lost.  No, the defense wasn't what it was the prior year when they really were all-world, but when you play D with that much swagger and think you are it, you lock down the win when you have a double digit in the 4th Q of the Super Bowl.  And they gagged it away.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shakeup in Seattle
Post by: El Barto on March 07, 2018, 07:05:33 PM
Don't forget jumping off sides when the Patriots still had to run a play from their own 1 foot line.  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shakeup in Seattle
Post by: KevShmev on March 07, 2018, 07:12:25 PM
That is a Michael Bennett specialty.  I suspect that kind of shit won't fly in Philly like it did in Seattle, so it will be interesting to see how Bennett reacts to being coached to not being so overly aggressive.  Being overly aggressive is a staple of a Pete Carroll defense. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shakeup in Seattle
Post by: Cool Chris on March 07, 2018, 09:06:12 PM
Have stayed out of this thread as I have been on a self-imposed sports break.

This Seahwawks news is not really surprising. And reaction from everything I have heard and read locally is all over the map. The higher percentage to my eyes and ears seems to be Bennett is 1) getting old and 2) has gotten to be too much of a distraction (or cancer, depending on one's level of vitriol) in the locker room. Does he care more about being an SJW than an elite football player? Does he care too much about how black his QB is and how racist the LV police department is? Hard to say. Again, general consensus seems to be "Thanks for the hard work and the championship, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out."

Sherman will get a little more gracious of a farewell, assuming his mouth doesn't change that.

Regardless, this team is a perfect illustration of how quickly the championship window can open and close in the NFL. Even with Wilson locked up at QB for the long term, the NFCW is getting stronger, and this will be an 8-8 team for the near future.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shakeup in Seattle
Post by: kingshmegland on March 07, 2018, 09:07:46 PM
Chris, that's why I will never take this run of the Patriots for granted.   It's unprecedented.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shakeup in Seattle
Post by: cramx3 on March 08, 2018, 06:09:36 AM
Wow, Giants got a linebacker!  Traded some pics for Ogletree and I love it.  I feel the Giants haven't put any money into the LB position for as long as I can remember and now got a proven player.  It came at a big cost in his contract though (hence why he was traded away).  Either way, I think the Giants D has just gotten a nice upgrade.  Now just fix the oline then I think they have a good chance of being a winning team next year.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shakeup in Seattle
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 08, 2018, 06:43:46 PM
Damn Rams. Save some DBs for the rest of us.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shakeup in Seattle
Post by: kaos2900 on March 09, 2018, 11:37:10 AM
Meh, Talib is a good DB and an absolutely terrible human being. I wouldn't want him on my team.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shakeup in Seattle
Post by: El Barto on March 09, 2018, 11:40:23 AM
Meh, Talib is a good DB and an absolutely terrible human being. I wouldn't want him on my team.
He's prone to losing his mind from time to time. I'm honestly surprised the Patriots were interested in him.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shakeup in Seattle
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 09, 2018, 12:04:35 PM
Torrey Smith traded to the Panthers.  :sad:
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shakeup in Seattle
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 09, 2018, 04:02:48 PM
Browns to aquire Jarvis Landry and Tyrod Taylor. They're really starting the process of digging out.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shakeup in Seattle
Post by: KevShmev on March 09, 2018, 08:02:34 PM
I gotta think that Taylor is merely a stopgap while they get whatever rookie QB they draft up to speed. 

I like the Landry trade for them.  He is a good WR who should help their offense get better, assuming getting traded to Cleveland doesn't make him give up on life. :lol :lol

I am glad the Broncos got rid of Talib. I have never liked that guy.  Total piece of shit. :tdwn :tdwn
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shakeup in Seattle
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 10, 2018, 06:14:42 PM
Someone check on Bosky. Apparently the 49ers and Richard Sherman have agreed to a 3 year deal.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shakeup in Seattle
Post by: Cool Chris on March 10, 2018, 06:36:46 PM
$39 million? Wow, Niners, enjoy those two aging, broken down wheels!

Prognosticating on when the Niners play in Seattle next year, I anticipate Sherman will get a largely positive response from the fans.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shakeup in Seattle
Post by: jammindude on March 11, 2018, 12:21:53 AM
Most people don't throw towards Sherman.....I'm imagining RW will target him specifically.   The result remains to be seen. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shakeup in Seattle
Post by: KevShmev on March 11, 2018, 08:45:47 AM
Sherman is good, but we'll see how good he really is now without the Legion of Boom to help him out. Plus, he has never been a corner that travels - he plays his side and never moves around - so we'll see if he is capable of moving around on defense now or if he still insists on staying in his comfort zone.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shakeup in Seattle
Post by: dparrott on March 11, 2018, 09:54:24 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DX-wRxlVwAAtk3E.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: jammindude on March 11, 2018, 10:40:01 AM
I’ve been saying for years that he’s gone soft since the SB win and just hasn’t been as good. (Yes...he played hurt and with heart in the SB loss...but that doesn’t mean he played at peak level like he did earlier in his career)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shakeup in Seattle
Post by: Stadler on March 12, 2018, 07:11:07 AM
Browns to aquire Jarvis Landry and Tyrod Taylor. They're really starting the process of digging out.

Digging out what?  If Tyrod Taylor couldn't win in Buffalo, what makes you think he's going to win in Cleveland? 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: bosk1 on March 12, 2018, 09:09:07 AM
Someone check on Bosky. Apparently the 49ers and Richard Sherman have agreed to a 3 year deal.

Pretty tasteless move.  But it's the NFL...  :dunno:
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shakeup in Seattle
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 12, 2018, 10:30:57 AM
Browns to aquire Jarvis Landry and Tyrod Taylor. They're really starting the process of digging out.

Digging out what?  If Tyrod Taylor couldn't win in Buffalo, what makes you think he's going to win in Cleveland?

Tyrod DID win in Buffalo. First playoff appearance this century despite being handicapped a game due to the Peterman start.

But besides that, he most likely is a stop gap while a rookie gets groomed.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 12, 2018, 10:32:04 AM
If Cleveland really is climbing out of the cellar, a team must fall to take their place.

Looking more and more like it will be Miami, once again.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: KevShmev on March 12, 2018, 07:01:12 PM
I am not convinced the Browns will climb out of the cellar.  They weren't totally depleted of talent the last two years, yet went 1-31...and then kept that head coach. :eek :eek :lol :lol 

What I am saying is, will anyone be surprised if the Browns have the number 1 pick in next year's draft again?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: jingle.boy on March 12, 2018, 07:10:06 PM
Not this guy.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: KevShmev on March 12, 2018, 07:22:07 PM
And it does seems like every year there is a team or two that is surprisingly bad.  A year ago, did anyone think the Giants and Colts would be picking 2nd and 3rd in the 2018 NFL draft (without having traded for those picks)? Miami could certainly be one of those teams that plummets this year, and I wouldn't be surprised if my Broncos suck swamp water (which could happen if they don't get the QB situation fixed).
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: dparrott on March 12, 2018, 09:01:47 PM
Speaking of the cellar, that's probably where the Seahawks are headed...
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: PowerSlave on March 13, 2018, 03:24:59 AM
I just read an ESPN article that says the Broncos are going to sign Case Keenum as their QB. I could be wrong, but the guy looks like a career backup to me. Maybe if they improve the line in front of him he might prove me wrong.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 13, 2018, 04:54:06 AM
I don't like that for Denver at all. Hopefully it's a lot like the Bears and Glennon last year. I do see Denver hitting on one of these rookie QBs.

And I stand by my assessment on Cleveland. They're digging out. Easy to say after 1-31 over the past two years but this team will be a regular playoff team in 2-3 years
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: jingle.boy on March 13, 2018, 04:54:24 AM
I just read an ESPN article that says the Broncos are going to sign Case Keenum as their QB. I could be wrong, but the guy looks like a career backup to me. Maybe if they improve the line in front of him he might prove me wrong.

Good god... is this going to be like the 00s where the Bronco's are constantly rotating mediocre quarterbacks through the lineup?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: lordxizor on March 13, 2018, 05:00:28 AM
So the Vikings are of course strongly linked to Cousins. I have this terrible feeling that that will fall through, Keenum goes to Denver, Bradford signs somewhere, and we're left with Bridgewater or not one at all if he signs somewhere else. I like Bridgewater a lot, but I don't think he deserves a starting job without some strong competition and proving himself worthy. This all makes me really nervous. I think they'll probably get the deal done with Cousins, but it'll be hard for him to turn away from the insane money the Jets are going to throw at him.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 13, 2018, 05:50:49 AM
I think that if the Vikings miss out on Cousins, they should go get Foles
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on March 13, 2018, 06:35:38 AM
Schefter just tweeted that Keenum is going to Denver.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 13, 2018, 07:29:06 AM
Schefter just tweeted that Keenum is going to Denver.

We're all over it King
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on March 13, 2018, 07:36:13 AM
 :lol

I saw that.  Schefter just makes it official.  That's the great part about Twitter.  Following national writers, and beat writers.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Stadler on March 13, 2018, 08:25:15 AM
I am not convinced the Browns will climb out of the cellar.  They weren't totally depleted of talent the last two years, yet went 1-31...and then kept that head coach. :eek :eek :lol :lol 

What I am saying is, will anyone be surprised if the Browns have the number 1 pick in next year's draft again?

Not me; Buffalo didn't make the playoffs BECAUSE of Tyrod.  I won't go so far to say they made it in SPITE of him, but losing him doesn't jeopardize their chances next year. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 13, 2018, 10:14:32 AM
Cousins to the Vikings is official. They are now legit Super Bowl contenders.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: cramx3 on March 13, 2018, 11:31:31 AM
Well the one good thing of OBJ's video is that the Giants may have get a little more leverage in getting him to perform and not sit out or cause issues this year since now he really doesn't look like someone that's deserving of 60+ million guaranteed. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on March 13, 2018, 02:02:16 PM
In Foxborough news, Butler to Detroit and Amendola to Miami. Butler was obviously leaving, but I'd have loved to hang on to Amendola. Dude was an asset to have around. I certainly understand not busting the bank for him, though.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on March 13, 2018, 02:03:21 PM
2 for 12 mil.  Next man up I guess.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on March 13, 2018, 02:04:23 PM
2 for 12 mil.  Next man up I guess.
Damn. I didn't know he was in line for that much. Yeah, next up.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on March 13, 2018, 02:06:47 PM
That's what they pay Endelman.  He told them he wanted more money but the Pats wouldn't budge.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: TAC on March 13, 2018, 02:07:31 PM
Butler to Detroit

Is this done?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on March 13, 2018, 02:10:51 PM
Butler to Detroit

Is this done?

I haven't seen a tweet yet.


I did see thsat Sam Bradford signed a 1 year deal with Arizona 20 mil.  15 guaranteed.  Then i saw a Tweet from Matt Chatham saying "Sam Bradford's agent is an American Hero. :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on March 13, 2018, 02:14:40 PM
Schefter now saying Jimmy Graham to sign a 3 year deal with the Pack.  Splent will be a happy man.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on March 13, 2018, 02:29:53 PM
holy crap.  Schefter is now tweeting that the Packers are releasing Jordy Nelson!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Stadler on March 13, 2018, 03:29:40 PM
Jordy Nelson to the Pats?   
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: KevShmev on March 13, 2018, 04:58:15 PM
Jordy Nelson is done as far as being an elite WR.  Injuries have taken his speed and ability to get deep away from him.

The signing of Keenum makes me ill.  :censored

Cousins now has more pressure on him than any player in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on March 13, 2018, 06:10:37 PM
Butler to Detroit

Is this done?
Now it's Tennessee, and does appear to be all but official. 5yr/61m, 31 guraranteed.


That's what they pay Endelman.  He told them he wanted more money but the Pats wouldn't budge.
Well, the Pats got him for a song last year (just under 3m), so he earned the right to ask for more. I hate players that demand "more than that guy," though.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on March 13, 2018, 06:47:51 PM
No doubt.  He also wanted to play more.  Part of the issue with that is he's very injury prone.  They held him back so he would be good to go for the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Stadler on March 13, 2018, 07:53:25 PM
Jordy Nelson is done as far as being an elite WR.  Injuries have taken his speed and ability to get deep away from him.

The signing of Keenum makes me ill.  :censored

Cousins now has more pressure on him than any player in the NFL.

Can Nelson play that slot role?

As for Cousins, my god I am going to be the most surprised person on the planet if this all pans out.  I NEVER had him at that level.   I thought he was a fill in, to be honest.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: KevShmev on March 13, 2018, 08:14:39 PM
Cousins is a good QB and an upgrade over Keenum.  As loaded as the Vikings are, they don't need him to be Brady or Rodgers.  The thing is, a million things could happen that prevent the Vikings from equaling or surpassing what they did last year, but the blame will all be on Cousins if that happens.  That is why I am surprised he went there. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: cramx3 on March 14, 2018, 07:01:09 AM
So the Browns signed Hyde to a three year deal.  Does that mean they are definitely taking a QB #1?  If so, I am drooling for Barkley to the Giants, if for no other reason than to continue rooting for him (my favorite college player to watch the last 3 years at PSU), but I do think he is the real deal.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on March 14, 2018, 07:11:37 AM
Sound like Nate Solider might go to either the Giants or the Texans.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: cramx3 on March 14, 2018, 07:19:34 AM
Sound like Nate Solider might go to either the Giants or the Texans.

Giants may need this more than whoever they take at 2.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on March 14, 2018, 08:37:57 AM
Looks like Deion Lewis is joining Butler in Tennessee. Another one where I'm happy for the guy to get a payday, and given NE's depth it's not like he's irreplaceable. The Titans just need to understand what they're getting. Deion's too small to be durable. He has to be used situationally.

Rough year for the Pats in free agency. Aside from Nate most of the losses have been in areas where there's depth, but it's still a lot of big name players.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 14, 2018, 08:40:42 AM
As for Cousins, my god I am going to be the most surprised person on the planet if this all pans out.  I NEVER had him at that level.   I thought he was a fill in, to be honest.

Shows how crazy the QB market is right now. Dude who has a below 500 winning percentage gets $84 million guaranteed...
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 14, 2018, 10:21:39 AM
As for Cousins, my god I am going to be the most surprised person on the planet if this all pans out.  I NEVER had him at that level.   I thought he was a fill in, to be honest.

Shows how crazy the QB market is right now. Dude who has a below 500 winning percentage gets $84 million guaranteed...

And Mike Trout is widely considered to be the best player in baseball, but he doesn't have much in wins to show for it.

It is folly to rely on team accolades to assess individual talent.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 14, 2018, 10:23:51 AM
And I want to add that McKinnon couldn't have picked a better landing spot than SF. He's set up for major success moving forward.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 14, 2018, 10:54:20 AM
As for Cousins, my god I am going to be the most surprised person on the planet if this all pans out.  I NEVER had him at that level.   I thought he was a fill in, to be honest.

Shows how crazy the QB market is right now. Dude who has a below 500 winning percentage gets $84 million guaranteed...

And Mike Trout is widely considered to be the best player in baseball, but he doesn't have much in wins to show for it.

It is folly to rely on team accolades to assess individual talent.

Generally yes, but with QBs I'd say it's slightly different. They are the most important member of a team and directly impact the success of the team more than any other player.

But - ok, so you think Kirk Cousins is a top tier QB? I'd consider him middle of the pack or slightly above.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: cramx3 on March 14, 2018, 11:13:18 AM
As for Cousins, my god I am going to be the most surprised person on the planet if this all pans out.  I NEVER had him at that level.   I thought he was a fill in, to be honest.

Shows how crazy the QB market is right now. Dude who has a below 500 winning percentage gets $84 million guaranteed...

And Mike Trout is widely considered to be the best player in baseball, but he doesn't have much in wins to show for it.

It is folly to rely on team accolades to assess individual talent.

Generally yes, but with QBs I'd say it's slightly different. They are the most important member of a team and directly impact the success of the team more than any other player.

But - ok, so you think Kirk Cousins is a top tier QB? I'd consider him middle of the pack or slightly above.

I'd say slightly above average, but he is still young enough to improve and be great.  The good thing about him is that he seems like he wants to prove his worth to everyone.  I think he is over paid and a product of the current market, but he has the potential and experience.  I'm more shocked at the Bradford guaranteed money.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: mikeyd23 on March 14, 2018, 11:17:47 AM
I'd say slightly above average, but he is still young enough to improve and be great.  The good thing about him is that he seems like he wants to prove his worth to everyone.  I think he is over paid and a product of the current market, but he has the potential and experience.  I'm more shocked at the Bradford guaranteed money.

I generally agree with all of this. Especially the Bradford thang.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Samsara on March 14, 2018, 02:48:25 PM
Not sure how, but my JETS actually made smart football decisions. When is the other shoe gonna drop?  :lol :lol :lol

I love the Bridgewater signing. He and McCown will fight it out in training camp, and we'll draft one of the big 4, and let that guy ride the pine. My prediction? Teddy will win the job, have a great year, and revitalize his career.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Nick on March 14, 2018, 03:52:07 PM
My prediction? Teddy will win the job, have a great year, and revitalize his career.

I think you're forgetting something.

Namely that he'll be surrounded by the rest of the Jets team.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: cramx3 on March 14, 2018, 04:00:46 PM
 :lol i like the Bridgewater signing too for the Jets
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: KevShmev on March 14, 2018, 06:25:29 PM


But - ok, so you think Kirk Cousins is a top tier QB? I'd consider him middle of the pack or slightly above.

I'd put Cousins in that 11-15 range if I had to rank the starting QBs in the NFL.  He lost all of his best weapons last season in Washington and still had a good season.  Most QB's would have a hard time winning consistently in Washington with that train wreck of a owner.

  I'm more shocked at the Bradford guaranteed money.

I generally agree with all of this. Especially the Bradford thang.

At 20 million, Bradford will get 5 million for every game he starts and finishes. :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on March 14, 2018, 06:27:30 PM
 :lol

I wonder if the Redskins hurt Cousins progression.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Stadler on March 15, 2018, 06:54:37 AM
Not sure how, but my JETS actually made smart football decisions. When is the other shoe gonna drop?  :lol :lol :lol

I love the Bridgewater signing. He and McCown will fight it out in training camp, and we'll draft one of the big 4, and let that guy ride the pine. My prediction? Teddy will win the job, have a great year, and revitalize his career.

I kinda think this is where Nick was going, but... I'm more apt to say about the Jets' "smart football decision", even a broken  clock is right twice a day.   I think we've seen too many times in the NFL that a moderately well thought out, well-executed system beats a moderately talented QB every day of the week.   Bridgewater is moderately talented.  I don't think he has the juice right now to singularly carry the Jets on his back.   Sorry.   
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: KevShmev on March 15, 2018, 05:26:20 PM
Plus, at his best, Bridgewater was never anything more than a solid QB, and no one knows how his body will react when he plays again following that horrific injury he suffered.  I have to think the Jets will be drafting someone early as well.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kaos2900 on March 16, 2018, 10:07:28 AM
As a Vikings fan I have been a huge supporter of Bridgewater. That being said, if I was a Jets fan I'd be concerned. He hasn't played in two years. If I was Bridgewater I'd be concerned because the Jets just aren't very good. I realize he probably didn't want to be a back up behind Cousins but the Vikings are a much more stacked team than the Jets.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on March 16, 2018, 12:19:18 PM
Do we even know if Bridgewater can play yet? Normally I'd assume he had to pass a physical before the trade went through, but this is the Jet's, after all. I recall that he wasn't capable of playing at the end of last season.

He seems to me somebody that would be worth taking a flyer on, but only at a bargain price. His potential is very high, but the likelihood of him reaching it is not. Like Kev said, he was a solid quarterback before the explosion, but hadn't reached the next level yet. The reason the knee thing was so awful because there was a very good expectation that he was going to turn the corner and take it to the next level. I know I was certainly looking forward to seeing what he could do.

Looks like NYJ signed him to a one year deal worth 5mil and another 10mil in incentives. That's a pretty reasonable deal for them, but I'd like a few option years at the end of it. If he does pan out they'll immediately have to negotiate an expensive deal and they won't be able to trade him.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: axeman90210 on March 16, 2018, 03:15:16 PM
He actually saw some mop-up duty for the Vikings in week 15, so he's good to go from a health standpoint. I'm pleased with the Jets offseason so far, assuming they also go out and get a QB in the draft. I think the Vikings probably saved us from wasting a bunch of money on Cousins, seeing as we're probably at least another year at best away from being competitive. I think McCown (who played pretty well for us last year and is by all accounts a fantastic locker room/QB room presence), Bridgewater (who showed some potential before his injury), and a highly regarded rookie is still a big upgrade over what we've had at QB (which is pretty sad). All the other contracts we handed out are pretty reasonable (with the exception maybe of Trumaine Johnson's deal) and nothing went to older/over the hill players. We could have a pretty good secondary this year with Johnson and Clairborne on the outside and the rookie tandem we drafted last year back at the safety spots.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 17, 2018, 09:17:22 AM
Wow the Colts just traderaped the Jets. Now any team that wants who the Jets want have over a month to try to leapfrog them, and the Colts get all of those picks....
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: dparrott on March 17, 2018, 09:57:31 AM
Seahawks Sign Linebacker Barkevious Mingo.  What an awesome name!  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on March 17, 2018, 11:55:52 AM
Wow the Colts just traderaped the Jets. Now any team that wants who the Jets want have over a month to try to leapfrog them, and the Colts get all of those picks....
Damn. They gave up a lot for those 3 spots. Whoever they're looking at better be worth it. And WTG Colts. They just landed 3 2nd rounders for a meaningless 3 spot drop.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: KevShmev on March 18, 2018, 06:36:09 AM
Word is that the Giants did not want to trade out of the 2 spot.  My guess is they want Barkley and are waiting to see if the Browns take him 1st.  If the Browns take a QB, I think the Giants take Barkley.  If the Browns take Barkely, I suspect a team like the Bills will offer the Giants a truck load to trade up to 2 and the Giants will take the offer.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: cramx3 on March 19, 2018, 09:46:13 AM
Word is that the Giants did not want to trade out of the 2 spot.  My guess is they want Barkley and are waiting to see if the Browns take him 1st.  If the Browns take a QB, I think the Giants take Barkley.  If the Browns take Barkely, I suspect a team like the Bills will offer the Giants a truck load to trade up to 2 and the Giants will take the offer.

Yea, the Jets move made me feel like the Giants want Barkley and will likely get him.  Essentially if the Browns don't take a QB first, they will get the 3rd pick of the bunch which would really suck to think you'll get the 3rd best QB when you have the 1st and 4th picks.  Also, I would gladly take a similar trade like the Colts and just move back a bit and get more picks. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Samsara on March 19, 2018, 10:40:17 AM
Word is that the Giants did not want to trade out of the 2 spot.  My guess is they want Barkley and are waiting to see if the Browns take him 1st.  If the Browns take a QB, I think the Giants take Barkley.  If the Browns take Barkely, I suspect a team like the Bills will offer the Giants a truck load to trade up to 2 and the Giants will take the offer.

My thought as well. I see the Browns going QB again, although not at #1. I think they go Chubb or Barkley (betting on the latter), and then get a QB with the fourth pick.

I am really hoping the Jets make a great pick. I like all the moves made so far this offseason, including the trade. But if this doesn't result in the Jets getting a franchise QB, it is going to be a total failure. They've swung and missed already with Hackenberg. Can't do it again.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: pg1067 on March 19, 2018, 11:12:43 AM
Seahawks Sign Linebacker Barkevious Mingo.  What an awesome name!  :lol

The name alone is worth a salary bump.  He has a brother named Hughtavious.

One of the Key & Peele guys was on Dan Patrick's show a week or two ago and explained the origin story of their ridiculous college football names routine.  One of them, who was not really a football fan but enjoyed playing the Madden games, approached the other, saying, "hey, did you know there's a guy in the NFL named "D'Brickashaw Ferguson?!"  The other guy said, "you don't even know the half of it," and the sketch was born.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on March 21, 2018, 02:33:56 PM
Thank God the NFL has simplified the rules for what is or is not a catch.  :lol 

Quote
1: Control
2: Two feet down or another body part
3: A football move, such as"
    A: A 3rd step
    B: Reaching/extending for the line to gain
    C: or the ability to perform such an act

So, uh, what is control? What is a football move?  What is the ability to make such a move? Blandino is a dick, but he's right in his assessment. They've changed the language but kept all the ambiguity in place, or replaced it with different ambiguities.

I feel sorry for the staff at the Hyatt who had to clean up the conference room after what appears to be a monumental circle jerk.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: PowerSlave on March 21, 2018, 05:41:06 PM
Thank God the NFL has simplified the rules for what is or is not a catch.  :lol 

Quote
1: Control
2: Two feet down or another body part
3: A football move, such as"
    A: A 3rd step
    B: Reaching/extending for the line to gain
    C: or the ability to perform such an act

So, uh, what is control? What is a football move?  What is the ability to make such a move? Blandino is a dick, but he's right in his assessment. They've changed the language but kept all the ambiguity in place, or replaced it with different ambiguities.

I feel sorry for the staff at the Hyatt who had to clean up the conference room after what appears to be a monumental circle jerk.

Under those rules Jesse James play against the Pats would have been a legal catch. That's probably where the largest part of their focus was since that was the most recent "big play" that was effected by the old standard.

We'll have to wait and see how it plays out, but it still leaves a lot to interpretation, seemingly.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on March 21, 2018, 05:47:45 PM
I foresee the same issues going forward.  Get rid of us fans seeing HD instant replay and only then will everything will be ok.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on March 21, 2018, 06:26:54 PM
Thank God the NFL has simplified the rules for what is or is not a catch.  :lol 

Quote
1: Control
2: Two feet down or another body part
3: A football move, such as"
    A: A 3rd step
    B: Reaching/extending for the line to gain
    C: or the ability to perform such an act

So, uh, what is control? What is a football move?  What is the ability to make such a move? Blandino is a dick, but he's right in his assessment. They've changed the language but kept all the ambiguity in place, or replaced it with different ambiguities.

I feel sorry for the staff at the Hyatt who had to clean up the conference room after what appears to be a monumental circle jerk.

Under those rules Jesse James play against the Pats would have been a legal catch. That's probably where the largest part of their focus was since that was the most recent "big play" that was effected by the old standard.

We'll have to wait and see how it plays out, but it still leaves a lot to interpretation, seemingly.
That's exactly what their motivation was. They watched a bunch of non-catches and discussed which ones "should" have counted. Then they crafted a way to phrase things so that they could be justified. So yeah, we could probably just call this the Patriot Rule. The problem is that when you go about trying to craft rules in that manner you make things even more flaky.

What I can't wait for is when an obvious incompletion gets ruled a catch and a fumble recovered by New England because of the new interpretation.  :lol

And speaking of making shit up as you go, seems that Goodell is looking to fine the bejeezus out of Jerry Jones for trying to disrupt his contract negotiation. The same Jerry Jones that was just inducted into the HOF for his contributions to the league as an owner. Sounds about right.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Neon on March 21, 2018, 07:52:02 PM
Hi all!
I haven't been on the board in ages, found my way back over tonight and figured the NFL thread was the best place to jump back in  ;D

I meant to log in back in Feb so that I could revel in the fact that my beloved Iggles are SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS.  I still can't even believe it. 
I am also happy to report that the city did not burn to the ground (sorry, Barto...I saw you were hoping for that  :lol) and for the most part people were pretty well-behaved for the parade (and it was one for the ages...even if we are lucky enough to have another one, it will never be as magical is this one was!)

I have never seen as cohesive a team as the Eagles were this season.  I believe the foundation is there and this could be the start of something beautiful.  But, as an Eagles fan there is always that doubt/fear that I might have to wait another 58 years to see it, and I don't plan on being alive 58 years from now.  It is not lost on me that this could have been a special lightning bolt caught in a bottle, and I intend to hold onto this feeling for the rest of my life.  And if it's the only one I ever have, I will die happy. 


Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: KevShmev on March 21, 2018, 07:53:00 PM
Hi all!
I haven't been on the board in ages, found my way back over tonight and figured the NFL thread was the best place to jump back in  ;D

I meant to log in back in Feb so that I could revel in the fact that my beloved Iggles are SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS.  I still can't even believe it. 
I am also happy to report that the city did not burn to the ground (sorry, Barto...I saw you were hoping for that  :lol) and for the most part people were pretty well-behaved for the parade (and it was one for the ages...even if we are lucky enough to have another one, it will never be as magical is this one was!)

I have never seen as cohesive a team as the Eagles were this season.  I believe the foundation is there and this could be the start of something beautiful.  But, as an Eagles fan there is always that doubt/fear that I might have to wait another 58 years to see it, and I don't plan on being alive 58 years from now.  It is not lost on me that this could have been a special lightning bolt caught in a bottle, and I intend to hold onto this feeling for the rest of my life.  And if it's the only one I ever have, I will die happy.

Waddup, Kath??!!

Glad you got to enjoy the euphoria of a Super Bowl win. :coolio :hat
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on March 21, 2018, 08:19:32 PM
Hi all!
I haven't been on the board in ages, found my way back over tonight and figured the NFL thread was the best place to jump back in  ;D

I meant to log in back in Feb so that I could revel in the fact that my beloved Iggles are SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS.  I still can't even believe it. 
I am also happy to report that the city did not burn to the ground (sorry, Barto...I saw you were hoping for that  :lol) and for the most part people were pretty well-behaved for the parade (and it was one for the ages...even if we are lucky enough to have another one, it will never be as magical is this one was!)

I have never seen as cohesive a team as the Eagles were this season.  I believe the foundation is there and this could be the start of something beautiful.  But, as an Eagles fan there is always that doubt/fear that I might have to wait another 58 years to see it, and I don't plan on being alive 58 years from now.  It is not lost on me that this could have been a special lightning bolt caught in a bottle, and I intend to hold onto this feeling for the rest of my life.  And if it's the only one I ever have, I will die happy.
I didn't even get through "I haven't been" before I was composing a rage-post in my head. I only got as far as "Fuck your Eagles" before I decided you were a cool enough gal to leave it alone. I'll just say I'm glad you're happy and I hope you're around when they when their next one. I'm sure the parade will be just as enjoyable. You'll be in your late nineties, I reckon, but by then holograms will be able to drop you right into the middle of it from the comfort of your rocking chair.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Neon on March 21, 2018, 08:32:33 PM
This feeling was unlike anything I'd ever felt, although the Phillies winning the World Series in 2008 was pretty close. 
It is not lost on me that I may never experience this again.  And if I don't, that's ok.  I can still die happy.

The elation is now bittersweet for me though.  My dad came up for the parade from SC with my younger sister.  He was so excited for it.  We had a great time at the parade, in the city before dawn and standing in the below-freezing temp all day, screaming ourselves hoarse as the parade procession rolled by us and doing Irish car bombs at the bar afterward.  5 days later my dad died from a heart attack.  He was born in 1960 (the year the Eagles last won a championship) and literally waited an entire lifetime to see an Eagles super bowl win.  I can never really put into words how much this all means to me now.  How grateful I am to have had the experience just once in my life at all, but so glad I got to share it with my dad.  :heart
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: jingle.boy on March 21, 2018, 08:51:14 PM
Damn Neon, sorry to hear about your dad.   :'(

It is nice to see you hear again though... Stick around, we need less sausage.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Neon on March 21, 2018, 09:00:44 PM
Damn Neon, sorry to hear about your dad.   :'(

It is nice to see you hear again though... Stick around, we need less sausage.

Thanks :)
My board usage has dropped because I'm usually not on my regular computer.  I usually just use my phone for all my internet needs but it's too hard to read the boards with it.
Worked from home today with the snow so I've been on my regular laptop all day.  Thought I'd mosey on over and see how everyone's doing.  I've missed posting with everyone, I should come around more often  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on March 21, 2018, 09:35:47 PM
This feeling was unlike anything I'd ever felt, although the Phillies winning the World Series in 2008 was pretty close. 
It is not lost on me that I may never experience this again.  And if I don't, that's ok.  I can still die happy.

The elation is now bittersweet for me though.  My dad came up for the parade from SC with my younger sister.  He was so excited for it.  We had a great time at the parade, in the city before dawn and standing in the below-freezing temp all day, screaming ourselves hoarse as the parade procession rolled by us and doing Irish car bombs at the bar afterward.  5 days later my dad died from a heart attack.  He was born in 1960 (the year the Eagles last won a championship) and literally waited an entire lifetime to see an Eagles super bowl win.  I can never really put into words how much this all means to me now.  How grateful I am to have had the experience just once in my life at all, but so glad I got to share it with my dad.  :heart
Sorry to hear about your pop. That's a real drag. Glad y'all got to get together and have a good time.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Stadler on March 21, 2018, 10:16:49 PM
This feeling was unlike anything I'd ever felt, although the Phillies winning the World Series in 2008 was pretty close. 
It is not lost on me that I may never experience this again.  And if I don't, that's ok.  I can still die happy.

The elation is now bittersweet for me though.  My dad came up for the parade from SC with my younger sister.  He was so excited for it.  We had a great time at the parade, in the city before dawn and standing in the below-freezing temp all day, screaming ourselves hoarse as the parade procession rolled by us and doing Irish car bombs at the bar afterward.  5 days later my dad died from a heart attack.  He was born in 1960 (the year the Eagles last won a championship) and literally waited an entire lifetime to see an Eagles super bowl win.  I can never really put into words how much this all means to me now.  How grateful I am to have had the experience just once in my life at all, but so glad I got to share it with my dad.  :heart

Don't know you from a row of assholes, but you're a Philly girl who likes car bombs, so you can't be all bad.   I was in Avalon String Band (which is the where Kelce got the suit he wore at the parade), so while I'm not an Eagles fan (they're literally the one thing I DON'T like about the city) I get it.

Sorry for your dad.  I'm glad you got that time with him. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 22, 2018, 09:10:32 AM
So sad to hear about your Dad. But I'm glad he got to see the SB season and enjoy it with his family.

I feel like such a phony becoming an Eagles fan in September. A lot of my friends and family are from Eastern PA and my wife and in-laws are die hard Philly sports fans. Some have called me a good luck charm. Other look at me like... dude we've been waiting our whole lives and you had to wait a few months.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on March 22, 2018, 09:12:31 AM
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22869522/new-york-giants-trading-jason-pierre-paul-fourth-round-pick-tampa-bay-buccaneers
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on March 22, 2018, 09:26:38 AM
This feeling was unlike anything I'd ever felt, although the Phillies winning the World Series in 2008 was pretty close. 
It is not lost on me that I may never experience this again.  And if I don't, that's ok.  I can still die happy.

The elation is now bittersweet for me though.  My dad came up for the parade from SC with my younger sister.  He was so excited for it.  We had a great time at the parade, in the city before dawn and standing in the below-freezing temp all day, screaming ourselves hoarse as the parade procession rolled by us and doing Irish car bombs at the bar afterward.  5 days later my dad died from a heart attack.  He was born in 1960 (the year the Eagles last won a championship) and literally waited an entire lifetime to see an Eagles super bowl win.  I can never really put into words how much this all means to me now.  How grateful I am to have had the experience just once in my life at all, but so glad I got to share it with my dad.  :heart

I'm so sorry to hear that Neon.  I'm glad that you got to share the parade with him.  Cherish that moment.  it's those moments that always pop into my head with my mom.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: cramx3 on March 22, 2018, 09:36:44 AM
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22869522/new-york-giants-trading-jason-pierre-paul-fourth-round-pick-tampa-bay-buccaneers

Really loved him here, even with his blown off fingers.  But this is a good deal.  His value is declining and the Giants save some money and get more picks for the future.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Neon on March 22, 2018, 09:13:09 PM
This feeling was unlike anything I'd ever felt, although the Phillies winning the World Series in 2008 was pretty close. 
It is not lost on me that I may never experience this again.  And if I don't, that's ok.  I can still die happy.

The elation is now bittersweet for me though.  My dad came up for the parade from SC with my younger sister.  He was so excited for it.  We had a great time at the parade, in the city before dawn and standing in the below-freezing temp all day, screaming ourselves hoarse as the parade procession rolled by us and doing Irish car bombs at the bar afterward.  5 days later my dad died from a heart attack.  He was born in 1960 (the year the Eagles last won a championship) and literally waited an entire lifetime to see an Eagles super bowl win.  I can never really put into words how much this all means to me now.  How grateful I am to have had the experience just once in my life at all, but so glad I got to share it with my dad.  :heart

Don't know you from a row of assholes, but you're a Philly girl who likes car bombs, so you can't be all bad.   I was in Avalon String Band (which is the where Kelce got the suit he wore at the parade), so while I'm not an Eagles fan (they're literally the one thing I DON'T like about the city) I get it.

Sorry for your dad.  I'm glad you got that time with him.


That's so awesome dude.  When the parade rolled by us I was laughing because I saw Jason Kelce dressed as a Mummer and he was living it up and it was hilarious.  And the day after the parade I had actually posted something along the lines of, "I dare you to find me anything more 'Philly' than Jason Kelce giving that epic profanity-laced speech during the Eagles parade ceremony from the steps of the art museum dressed as a goddamn Mummer...."   :lol  It's funny, I remember when the Phillies won the World Series in 2008 and Chase Utley gave his "World Fucking Champions!" speech.  And as the ceremony for the Eagles parade was going on I remember thinking, "We need another Chase Utley style speech"...and then Kelce took the mic and the rest will live on as absolute Philly lore, legend and infamy forever.

Do you still live in the Philly area?  I'm actually in South Jersey but I'm so close to the city it's easier to just say "I'm from Philly."
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Neon on March 22, 2018, 09:16:54 PM
So sad to hear about your Dad. But I'm glad he got to see the SB season and enjoy it with his family.

I feel like such a phony becoming an Eagles fan in September. A lot of my friends and family are from Eastern PA and my wife and in-laws are die hard Philly sports fans. Some have called me a good luck charm. Other look at me like... dude we've been waiting our whole lives and you had to wait a few months.


Well...as someone who experienced decades of frustration and heartache and bitching and pissing and moaning about the Eagles, I want to be all like, "Screw you man...where the hell have you been all these years."  But whatever, everyone's gotta start somewhere.  And if your in-laws gave you a pass, you're good  :lol  Thanks for being the good-luck charm.  We could have used you a long time ago.  Welcome aboard.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: jingle.boy on March 23, 2018, 05:14:23 AM
So sad to hear about your Dad. But I'm glad he got to see the SB season and enjoy it with his family.

I feel like such a phony becoming an Eagles fan in September. A lot of my friends and family are from Eastern PA and my wife and in-laws are die hard Philly sports fans. Some have called me a good luck charm. Other look at me like... dude we've been waiting our whole lives and you had to wait a few months.


Well...as someone who experienced decades of frustration and heartache and bitching and pissing and moaning about the Eagles, I want to be all like, "Screw you man...where the hell have you been all these years."  But whatever, everyone's gotta start somewhere.  And if your in-laws gave you a pass, you're good  :lol  Thanks for being the good-luck charm.  We could have used you a long time ago.  Welcome aboard.

The thanks should go to Kaepernick.   :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Samsara on March 23, 2018, 10:21:42 AM
Jets signed Terrelle Pryor. I like the move. That guy gets a bad rap. He's a real good receiver, and I think he'll do well.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: axeman90210 on March 23, 2018, 12:49:46 PM
Jets signed Terrelle Pryor. I like the move. That guy gets a bad rap. He's a real good receiver, and I think he'll do well.

Curious to see the financials on that deal.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: KevShmev on March 23, 2018, 01:29:17 PM
The jury is still out on if Pryor is a good NFL WR.  He put up good numbers on a Browns team in 2016 that was always losing (see: garbage yards), but was utter dog crap last year on a WR-friendly Redskins team.  It will be interesting to see if he can bounce back after being so awful in 2017.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Stadler on March 23, 2018, 01:41:12 PM


That's so awesome dude.  When the parade rolled by us I was laughing because I saw Jason Kelce dressed as a Mummer and he was living it up and it was hilarious.  And the day after the parade I had actually posted something along the lines of, "I dare you to find me anything more 'Philly' than Jason Kelce giving that epic profanity-laced speech during the Eagles parade ceremony from the steps of the art museum dressed as a goddamn Mummer...."   :lol  It's funny, I remember when the Phillies won the World Series in 2008 and Chase Utley gave his "World Fucking Champions!" speech.  And as the ceremony for the Eagles parade was going on I remember thinking, "We need another Chase Utley style speech"...and then Kelce took the mic and the rest will live on as absolute Philly lore, legend and infamy forever.

Do you still live in the Philly area?  I'm actually in South Jersey but I'm so close to the city it's easier to just say "I'm from Philly."

I do not; I moved back to Connecticut by necessity, but I miss it every day.  I used to live over by 2nd and Christian; I had a great bar in walking distance (For Pete's Sake) and the Italian Market nearby.   
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Samsara on March 23, 2018, 02:51:45 PM
The jury is still out on if Pryor is a good NFL WR.  He put up good numbers on a Browns team in 2016 that was always losing (see: garbage yards), but was utter dog crap last year on a WR-friendly Redskins team.  It will be interesting to see if he can bounce back after being so awful in 2017.

He was hurt all last year. I forget how much the contract is for, but the Jets have a ton of cap room, so they could care less. I am sure it is probably just a one year deal anyway.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2018, 03:01:33 PM
The jury is still out on if Pryor is a good NFL WR.  He put up good numbers on a Browns team in 2016 that was always losing (see: garbage yards), but was utter dog crap last year on a WR-friendly Redskins team.  It will be interesting to see if he can bounce back after being so awful in 2017.

He was hurt all last year. I forget how much the contract is for, but the Jets have a ton of cap room, so they could care less. I am sure it is probably just a one year deal anyway.

Yea, this whole debate was happening on WFAN and it pretty much came down to a win if the contract was for little money (this convo happened before he was signed, no idea what his contract is worth).  The Jets need a WR and he showed some flashes but also has concerns, so for a small price then it's a good deal. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Cool Chris on March 23, 2018, 03:23:50 PM
http://sports.mynorthwest.com/428551/ex-seahawks-de-michael-bennett-indicted-for-alleged-super-bowl-incident/

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Former Seattle Seahawks defensive end Michael Bennett has been indicted by a grand jury in Harris County, Texas for allegedly injuring a 66-year-old paraplegic woman at Super Bowl LI in 2017.

Bennett allegedly shoved his way onto the field at Houston’s NRG Stadium at the conclusion of the game after being told to use a different entrance to access the field. The elderly woman was a member of the security team.

In a related story, a revised edition of his upcoming book “Things That Make White People Uncomfortable” will feature a chapter entitled "My fist in your old lady face is you don't get the hell out of my way."

Your leaving Seattle couldn't have come at a better time.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: cramx3 on March 23, 2018, 03:38:41 PM
Guy is scum IMO, let's not forget how he handled his police situation in Vegas as well.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: DragonAttack on March 27, 2018, 12:14:29 PM
Well, they're finally and officially revising the 'what is a catch?' rule.  That will put an end to all the debates and excessive replay delays ;)

And permanently placing KO touchbacks to the 25 (amongst a couple of other things). 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kaos2900 on March 27, 2018, 12:25:57 PM
I wish they would have just gotten rid of kickoffs. Keep Punts and FGs with the option to try an onside kick.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: KevShmev on March 27, 2018, 05:06:39 PM
Bad idea. That would take away the surprise onside kick.  Sure, it doesn't happen often, but it's awesome when it does.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on March 27, 2018, 05:37:05 PM
Agree Kev. I still find kickoffs in the punt returns fun when they actually run.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: cramx3 on March 27, 2018, 06:37:00 PM
I don't like making special teams irrelevant. STs adds a lot, especially to the pro game with small rosters. Makes teams go after athletes who can play football multiple ways and play a role even if it's not a starting position. Oh yea, it's also some of the most exciting plays of the game.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: jingle.boy on March 28, 2018, 06:56:58 AM
If the argument against kickoffs is the potential injury from full-speed tacklers, then don't allow them a running start.  Everyone has to line up on the 30 (that's the kickoff line now I think?), and only give the kicker a 5 yard run-up.  That'll shorten the kicks, and slow the tacklers down at least a little bit?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Stadler on March 28, 2018, 08:46:01 AM
For me, the interest is almost always in the mistakes, and to take away the kickoff, takes away the chance for some kid to think he's going to run it back 106 yards in 20 degree weather, and instead have it bounce off his dome.   Or watch some hotshot think he's going to make the highlight reel with an over-commit on the tackle and get toasted (I'm thinking of the kickoff version of what  happened in Minnesota/New Orleans).   

Tony Romo booting the extra point is always a great example here, too.   There are no gimme's in the NFL. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on March 28, 2018, 03:36:29 PM
So it seems the league came pretty close to passing the so-called Josh McDaniels rule that would allow assistant coaches to sign contracts with other teams while they're still in the playoffs. Who the hell is running this shit-show? The problem isn't that coaches can't sign with other teams while still coaching, but rather that they are allowed to negotiate with them when they should be focusing on their damn job. Hell, why don't we just allow players to negotiate in the middle of the playoffs?

Thankfully, Belichick and, quite ironically, Colt's GM Ballard managed to talk some sense into these ass-hats.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on March 28, 2018, 03:38:17 PM
I was thinking the same thing El Barto.   how about plain and simple you can't talk to a coach until they're out of the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: cramx3 on March 28, 2018, 03:50:45 PM
Yea, when I heard this was being considered I was wondering if the reporting got it backwards.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on March 28, 2018, 03:54:52 PM
I was thinking the same thing El Barto.   how about plain and simple you can't talk to a coach until they're out of the playoffs.
You might need to stipulate that no coaches can negotiate during the playoffs, but I'm not honestly sure that'll be necessary. The argument will be that playoff coaches will get left behind as the jobs are filled, but I doubt that'll happen. If the guy you want is still OC'ing somewhere then you wait for him to become available. If you're out of the playoffs you wait and see what the best offer is, and that won't come about until everybody can be considered.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on March 28, 2018, 03:57:54 PM
If I get what you're saying because there are some teams that are in the playoffs that would change coaches but those teams usually fall in the early rounds.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on March 28, 2018, 04:51:21 PM
If I get what you're saying because there are some teams that are in the playoffs that would change coaches but those teams usually fall in the early rounds.
New England?

The concern would be that if a team can't pursue JMD and MP until after the SB, then there won't be anybody left if they don't get their man.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on March 28, 2018, 05:06:47 PM
No talking about like the Tennessee situation.  When it just be fair that every team cannot get a new coach until after the Super Bowl? I know teams want to get a head start but no team will have an advantage if everybody gets an advantage if everybody starts at the same time after the Super Bowl
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kaos2900 on March 29, 2018, 07:50:11 AM
I think rather than continuing tweaking rules to make the game safer they should just take away the helmets. These guys would be forced to play safer unless they want to really hurt themselves. Look at rugby, those guys are crazy tough but you don't hear much about concussions.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: lordxizor on March 29, 2018, 07:52:26 AM
They'd need to take away a lot of the other pads too if they were going to take away helmets.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: jingle.boy on March 30, 2018, 07:58:39 PM
No talking about like the Tennessee situation.  When it just be fair that every team cannot get a new coach until after the Super Bowl? I know teams want to get a head start but no team will have an advantage if everybody gets an advantage if everybody starts at the same time after the Super Bowl

Well that's just logical, and how the other major sports do it.  Why would the NFL wanna be like that!?!?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on March 30, 2018, 08:07:36 PM
No talking about like the Tennessee situation.  When it just be fair that every team cannot get a new coach until after the Super Bowl? I know teams want to get a head start but no team will have an advantage if everybody gets an advantage if everybody starts at the same time after the Super Bowl



Well that's just logical, and how the other major sports do it.  Why would the NFL wanna be like that!?!?


I know.  Logic! :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: cramx3 on March 30, 2018, 08:20:40 PM
No talking about like the Tennessee situation.  When it just be fair that every team cannot get a new coach until after the Super Bowl? I know teams want to get a head start but no team will have an advantage if everybody gets an advantage if everybody starts at the same time after the Super Bowl



Well that's just logical, and how the other major sports do it.  Why would the NFL wanna be like that!?!?


I know.  Logic! :lol

In college football they also allow this, and there's a reason which is so that those coaches can recruit and get a class to come there.  Even then, leaving a school (of kids who committed to playing for you) before/during the post season seems like such a poor practice.   I'd like to see the NFL wait till the official season ends before teams can make such changes.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: jingle.boy on March 30, 2018, 08:56:31 PM
I wouldn't say the NCAA has any kind of 'gold standard' of practices by which to follow.   :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 03, 2018, 04:15:22 PM
Cooks to the Rams!!!!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on April 03, 2018, 05:03:34 PM
Fine move by NE. Dude was in the final year of a massively back-loaded contract. Give up a #32. Get a reasonably productive year out of the guy at the bargain-basement price of $1.5 mil. Trade him for a #28 right before his contract balloons to $8.5 mil. Not really sure how you can play it much better than that.

After several months of baffling decisions from Bill it's nice to be reminded how good the guy is. Now he just needs to replace him (and not lose Gronk).
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: KevShmev on April 03, 2018, 05:11:04 PM
Good trade for both teams.

Brady's head will explode if/when Belichick accumulates enough draft picks to trade into the top 5 to take a QB.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on April 03, 2018, 05:26:13 PM
The deal is Pat's trading Cooks and a 4th round pick for the 23rd pick in the first round and a 6th round pick from the Rams.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on April 03, 2018, 05:31:34 PM
The deal is Pat's trading Cooks and a 4th round pick for the 23rd pick in the first round and a 6th round pick from the Rams.
Which I believe was the same deal to get him from the Saints. I could be wrong, but it seems to me they moved a pick up 9 spots and got a year of cheap WR play.

Good trade for both teams.

Brady's head will explode if/when Belichick accumulates enough draft picks to trade into the top 5 to take a QB.
I reckon he's at that point now, but I don't see him ever spending a top five on a QB.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on April 03, 2018, 05:37:09 PM
You're dead on with that El Barto.   What's surprising is getting the number one pick for a guy in the last year of his contract.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Stadler on April 04, 2018, 08:13:54 AM
Obviously I don't know what went on with Garapolo (one r? two?  one l? two?) but Brady can't be that stupid that he doesn't realize the team has to set up for the eventuality of his retirement.  Even if he plays for five more years or whatever he thinks, they can still draft a top five, groom him for a year or two and if Brady is still playing, trade him for a shit ton of picks.   
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on April 04, 2018, 08:20:59 AM
Gronk is actually the interesting puzzle piece. He's apparently made it clear that he's only playing as long as TB is there. I can certainly understand that, but that really complicates things going forward since we have no idea how long that might be. Before yesterday trading Gronk actually made a lot of sense from a Belichick standpoint. Not that's out.

It's also starting to look like a lot of the guys really are tired of Bill. I don't get that, myself, money and rings seem to be an NFL player's primary concern, but whatever. Grass is always greener, I guess.

The guy who really got fucked in all of this is OBJ. LA was his one big chance and they passed. The NYG want a ton for the rights to him, and he wants a ton to play. Monday he might have gotten it. Now he's stuck.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Stadler on April 04, 2018, 08:26:26 AM
I get that vague sense about Bill as well, which is a shame, because it kind of shows that the tide is really strong against organization and coaching, and tells me that this will never happen again, at least in this form.

Ten years ago, if you were tired of Bill, you went to another organization (the way it should be).  I don't know where the rot started, but it's seeming that the inmates are starting to control the asylum.   If you're Bill, and you want to coach another ten years, what's the play?  Get rid of Brady?  Do you think he's the root of the mutiny (even if inadvertently)? 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on April 04, 2018, 08:29:00 AM
I think the entitlement stems from winning two Super Bowls and now they want the noose loosened. What they don't realize is that the worst thing that can happen. look what happened when all the players went and complained and they got Pete Carroll as a coach for the Patriots he loosened up and each year they had less wins.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Samsara on April 04, 2018, 08:37:48 AM
Good trade for both teams.

Brady's head will explode if/when Belichick accumulates enough draft picks to trade into the top 5 to take a QB.

The only team I can see trading down at this point in the top 5 is Denver. The Browns, Jets, and Giants need their picks. Denver is curious, because the Keenum signing is obviously a stop gap. But they wouldn't have signed him had they believed in Lynch. So, if they don't believe in Lynch, they will probably draft a guy, which likely will be Baker Mayfield.

The Patriots aren't going for Lamar Jackson, would they? I expect him to be gone before #23. Buffalo or Arizona may pull the trigger...
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on April 04, 2018, 09:05:51 AM
I think the entitlement stems from winning two Super Bowls and now they want the noose loosened. What they don't realize is that the worst thing that can happen. look what happened when all the players went and complained and they got Pete Carroll as a coach for the Patriots he loosened up and each year they had less wins.
This is the sense I get, as well. Most players struggle their entire careers trying to win a ring. That's a helluva motivation. Once you've won 2 or 5 it's probably a lot more tempting to go for the money or an easier ride. You've gotten the hard part out of the way.

And the best example is going to be Dallas in the early 90s. Jimmy was an early incarnation of Belichick and he ran a tight ship. When he was replaced by a "player's coach" they imploded spectacularly.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: bosk1 on April 04, 2018, 01:52:09 PM
Not really newsworthy, but apparently PETA is after Von Miller because he caught a hammerhead shark on a fishing trip in Florida.  https://www.yahoo.com/sports/florida-officials-investigation-von-miller-caught-hammerhead-shark-175959889.html

But I posted it because the best part of the article was actually in the comments section where someone posted: "If he was a JETS wide receiver he wouldn't have caught anything."  :rollin

Second best part was Miller's caption on the pic itself.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Samsara on April 04, 2018, 03:23:24 PM
Not really newsworthy, but apparently PETA is after Von Miller because he caught a hammerhead shark on a fishing trip in Florida.  https://www.yahoo.com/sports/florida-officials-investigation-von-miller-caught-hammerhead-shark-175959889.html

But I posted it because the best part of the article was actually in the comments section where someone posted: "If he was a JETS wide receiver he wouldn't have caught anything."  :rollin

 :censored :censored :censored :censored
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: bosk1 on April 04, 2018, 03:40:06 PM
:rollin
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Rattlehead on April 05, 2018, 06:35:31 AM
Von is such a bonehead  :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 05, 2018, 11:20:11 PM
The Von thing kinda pisses me off.  I'm not a bonafide treehugger...but....  There is no reason in the world to kill an endangered species animal.  He should have cut it loose when he got it to the boat and got his pic.  Just like there are tag and release programs for other gamefish such as Billfish, Roosterfish, etc...   

As a serious scuba diver and underwater photographer I've seen the decline of sharks and other oceanic species over the years.  Senseless, seriously senseless. We're talking sheer trophy hunting, not hunting for sustenance.

/rant off
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Stadler on April 06, 2018, 07:00:06 AM
I remember fishing off Sanibel Island with my dad - this is about 10 years ago - and I caught a hammerhead; I don't know if it was a baby or not, but it was a perfect, scale version of what you'd expect a hammerhead to look like, except it was about 16" long or so.   It was SO COOL, and would have been awesome to have mounted on a fireplace or whatever.

It wasn't even an option.  My dad - who fished with his neighbor probably four times a week at that point - had the "keep" list taped to his boat, and Cam Newton, Jr. went back in the water about as fast as it came out.

(I don't actually remember if that fish was on the "keep" list or not, and I knew nothing about any laws or whatnot, I just know my dad made a thumb gesture like "back it goes" and so it did.  My dad didn't usually mess around with that stuff, just as a matter of principle.)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: PowerSlave on April 06, 2018, 07:29:16 AM
Cam Newton, Jr.

 :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 06, 2018, 08:53:24 AM
I remember fishing off Sanibel Island with my dad - this is about 10 years ago - and I caught a hammerhead; I don't know if it was a baby or not, but it was a perfect, scale version of what you'd expect a hammerhead to look like, except it was about 16" long or so.   It was SO COOL, and would have been awesome to have mounted on a fireplace or whatever.

It wasn't even an option.  My dad - who fished with his neighbor probably four times a week at that point - had the "keep" list taped to his boat, and Cam Newton, Jr. went back in the water about as fast as it came out.

(I don't actually remember if that fish was on the "keep" list or not, and I knew nothing about any laws or whatnot, I just know my dad made a thumb gesture like "back it goes" and so it did.  My dad didn't usually mess around with that stuff, just as a matter of principle.)

Good for your Pops!!!  Funny thing is... "Mounted" fish now are replicas.  All you need to know is the type and size and Voila!  Instant trophy without the kill!  Cam Newton Jr.   :rollin
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 10, 2018, 03:58:50 PM
Two things going around about TNF:

1. Better matchups
2. No more color rush uniforms
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: bosk1 on April 10, 2018, 04:20:46 PM
I'm not sure what can really be done to make a substantial difference on #1.  I mean, could they do better?  Sure.  But the fact of the matter is, there are only so many good teams and only so many good matchups.  Even when we ONLY had MNF, there were duds.  Now we have SNF, MNF, and TNF.  There are going to be more then a few duds, and I don't see what can be done about that.  And that is compounded by the fact that, since it is a prime time game, expectations are somehow higher as to the expected quality.  I'm glad there is talk about making it better.  But I'm not expecting a huge difference.  Personally, I wish we could go back to just Sunday and Monday for games.  I know that isn't going to happen, but I think that would help more.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on April 10, 2018, 05:04:38 PM
Seems like they could just make them all divisional games. Those have a higher likelihood of being a decent game, even if it's Dolphins v. Jets. It also increases the likelihood of violence and mayhem, heated rivalries and whatnot, so even shitty game has a chance of becoming a minor riot. 

And by all means do away with that color rush nonsense. If you're going to do something fundamentally stupid like that I say dress them all up like fruit. I want to see bananas vs carrots. Maybe get Vic Romano and Kenny Blankenship to announce the game.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: cramx3 on April 11, 2018, 07:04:34 AM
Was thinking the same thing with using division games, specifically picking some of the bigger rival games and/or picking teams that were pre-season favorites to win their division.   I still think over saturation is an issue as well and you'll never be able to consistently get good games with 3 primetime games and the random nature of the NFL, but I think they could improve a little bit.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Stadler on April 11, 2018, 07:56:52 AM
Not a reply to you, Cram, but a general observation:  Not sure how "oversaturation" fits into this.  The  games ARE going to be played one way or another, on one day or another.   Why not televise it?   Yeah, I don't live in Jacksonville or Tennessee, but they still have to play.  Why not throw it out there nationally to see it?  If it's not a good game, you don't have to watch it, but on the odd chance that it's an interesting game, it's there for us to see. 

I agree about the uniforms, though.  That's not the same thing; that sort of makes a mockery of the game.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: cramx3 on April 11, 2018, 08:04:06 AM
Oversaturation of "prime time", the schedule hasn't changed (yet) so there's obviously no new games.  But like Bosk said, people have higher expectations if it's a lone prime time game.  Adding TNF has saturated the field of these games.  Seems like SNF usually gets the best game, but the product of all three prime time games has gone down since adding TNF. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: bosk1 on April 11, 2018, 08:19:40 AM
Yeah, exactly.  The way it used to be, if you watched at every opportunity, you'd get 2 games on Sunday, and one game on Monday night.  Which games, of course, varied depending on what market you were in and what was televised in that market.  But you'd get to watch, at most, 3 games a week, barring playoffs and special weeks where there was an odd game (like Thanksgiving).  Part of that was a product of the technology back then, and I'm not saying that we ignore technology and go backwards.  But what I am saying is that it sort of made football feel special, and that is especially true of that MNF game each week. 

Now, even without getting into how you could theoretically watch every single game played in a given week if you have the right access, just by watching what is live, you can get 3 games on Sunday, one on Monday, and one on Thursday.  That's almost double what we previously had access to (and it is when we get an additional MNF game when they do double-headers).  And that is triple the number of prime time games.  So it's no wonder the prime time game has lost its sheen and feels less "special." 

Again, I'm not saying we go back.  But I kind of wish we could in some respects.  The added day (Thursday) not only makes the games feel less "special," but it also really messes with team scheduling and can put teams at a real disadvantage.  I have to say, I'm not a fan.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on April 11, 2018, 08:20:57 AM
I've got to be honest, I don't watch many TNF game and I'm an NFL fan.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: cramx3 on April 11, 2018, 08:28:08 AM
I'm not entirely sure I would want to go back against TNF.  I get it makes things harder for the teams, but as a fan, the more I can watch, the better I feel.  However, like King, I hardly watch TNF anyway just because the matches historically haven't been very attractive.  So if they dumped it, I wouldn't be upset. 

Also, what about the idea of not having SNF games set in stone before the season.  Sort of like how they do it in the last week or two with flex games.  Pre-assign MNF and TNF (since those aren't on Sunday, the logistics need to be settled) to the best games of the week based on what one would think those would be, then let SNF pick the game they want from the rest so SNF is almost guaranteed the best game, but it's not really taking away from MNF or TNF.  Sure it would suck for the fans to not know if your game is at night until a week beforehand (maybe not even until that Tuesday) but it seems like attendance isn't really growing at the games anyway.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 11, 2018, 08:48:42 AM
I'm not entirely sure I would want to go back against TNF.  I get it makes things harder for the teams, but as a fan, the more I can watch, the better I feel.  However, like King, I hardly watch TNF anyway just because the matches historically haven't been very attractive.  So if they dumped it, I wouldn't be upset. 

Also, what about the idea of not having SNF games set in stone before the season.  Sort of like how they do it in the last week or two with flex games.  Pre-assign MNF and TNF (since those aren't on Sunday, the logistics need to be settled) to the best games of the week based on what one would think those would be, then let SNF pick the game they want from the rest so SNF is almost guaranteed the best game, but it's not really taking away from MNF or TNF.  Sure it would suck for the fans to not know if your game is at night until a week beforehand (maybe not even until that Tuesday) but it seems like attendance isn't really growing at the games anyway.  Just a thought.

SNF can flex their games as soon as late October/Early November. However they don't always grab the best game on the Sunday slate because A. The other networks are allowed to protect X amount of games and B. If it's a super popular team or teams they won't necessarily flex to better teams. All they care about are ratings.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on April 11, 2018, 10:16:27 AM
You can't flex Thursday night games. Because of the short turn around teams need to know well in advance. Also, keep in mind the logistics of transporting a team and all of the equipment. Lodging. Practice. Bumping a game 3 hours to move it to prime time isn't a problem. Changing the dates would wreck everything.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Stadler on April 11, 2018, 11:41:00 AM
I'm not entirely sure I would want to go back against TNF.  I get it makes things harder for the teams, but as a fan, the more I can watch, the better I feel.  However, like King, I hardly watch TNF anyway just because the matches historically haven't been very attractive.  So if they dumped it, I wouldn't be upset. 


If I'm being honest, that's where I am, really.  I support it, but it's not as if I am waiting at 8:29 with popcorn in hand for the thrilling adventure that is TNF.  I'll watch it if there is nothing else on or if the wife falls asleep.   I  kind of like that it's there, though.

What do the players think?  Anyone know?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on April 11, 2018, 11:52:04 AM
Players hate it. They've been lobbying to do away with it for years but the owners are steadfast. Shitty product or not there's a ton of money to be made from it.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 11, 2018, 01:37:19 PM
Would love for them to get back to Thursday NFL football only on opening night, and 2 games on Turkey Day.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: KevShmev on April 11, 2018, 04:54:49 PM
Unless it is the Broncos or a marquee matchup, how much I watch the Thursday and Monday night games now depends entirely on how much interest I have regarding my fantasy football match-ups. If the Thursday night game is Bills vs Jets and neither my opponent nor I have a player going in the game, I probably won't watch much.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on April 11, 2018, 04:57:01 PM
I don't watch a Bills/Jets matchup either. :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: KevShmev on April 11, 2018, 05:01:36 PM
I should point out that there are a handful of players who are so exciting and so good that they can usually get me to tune in, even if the matchup is poor:

Aaron Rodgers
Blake Bortles
Odell Beckham
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on April 11, 2018, 05:22:09 PM
 :tup
 :omg:
 :tup



 :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: TAC on April 12, 2018, 05:30:39 AM
I should point out that there are a handful of players who are so exciting and so good that they can usually get me to tune in, even if the matchup is poor:

Odell Beckham

There is nothing that would make me want to watch him.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on April 12, 2018, 05:39:57 AM
I should point out that there are a handful of players who are so exciting and so good that they can usually get me to tune in, even if the matchup is poor:

Odell Beckham

There is nothing that would make me want to watch him.

Even if a net attacked him?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: TAC on April 12, 2018, 05:41:07 AM
A net?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on April 12, 2018, 05:44:08 AM
Tim, come on, you had to see him take a swing at the kicker's net last year only to see bounce back at him.  It was glorious. It was like the net was attacking him.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on April 12, 2018, 05:44:39 AM
Sorry, that was the year before.  He was out all of last year.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: TAC on April 12, 2018, 05:53:12 AM
Oh, I don't remember that.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on April 12, 2018, 06:02:01 AM
Oh, I don't remember that.

You are in for a treat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be3T7ZWG65E
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: TAC on April 12, 2018, 06:30:06 AM
Ha! I like the video game.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on April 12, 2018, 06:33:34 AM
I do too.  His talent is from the Gods but he is so fragile upstairs.  He'll turn into Dez Bryant  if he doesn't produce on the field again.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Stadler on April 12, 2018, 07:39:07 AM
Even if he does produce.  He's had his moments even when he's played fairly well. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: cramx3 on April 12, 2018, 07:58:19 AM
It's a love hate relationship with him.  Guy needs so much attention and he deserves a lot, but he really needs to grow up before the NY fan base turns on him.  He's already got a lot of dislike even though he's the most electric player of any sport in the NYC area.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: pg1067 on April 13, 2018, 10:52:30 AM
I should point out that there are a handful of players who are so exciting and so good that they can usually get me to tune in, even if the matchup is poor:

Odell Beckham

There is nothing that would make me want to watch him.

Even if a net attacked him?

Or Frankie.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 13, 2018, 12:09:57 PM
Dez dropped it. Dez got dropped.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on April 13, 2018, 02:36:08 PM
Dez being cut is good for both parties. The Cowboys couldn't afford to pay him 12.5, and no other team would be dumb enough to.

That said, he's a better receiver than he is regarded down here. Much like Romo the locals all think he sucks. Far from it. Jerry did him a huge disservice by appointing him the new Jesus when he was drafted. He was touted as the heir apparent to Drew Pearson and Michael Irvin, and people had that standard stuck in their head which is unrealistic, and unfair to him.

Personally, I thought he was a very good receiver, but he wasn't the playmaker Dallas needed. A good receiver can go out and take a game over. Beat the other team single handed. I never once saw Dez takeover a game.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Stadler on April 13, 2018, 09:27:34 PM
So where does he go?  Is he Randy Moss Pt. II in New England?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Adami on April 13, 2018, 09:29:43 PM
So where does he go?  Is he Randy Moss Pt. II in New England?


I completely disagree.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: KevShmev on April 14, 2018, 10:46:18 AM
No chance of him being Randy Moss II.

Dez is a terrible route runner.  He has put no effort over the years into learning his craft.  He was so good for a while because of his God-given physical tools, but as those have slight eroded, his production has dropped off because he probably still thinks he can get away with his physical tools, instead of working to expand his game. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on April 14, 2018, 11:45:45 AM
No chance of him being Randy Moss II.

Dez is a terrible route runner.  He has put no effort over the years into learning his craft.  He was so good for a while because of his God-given physical tools, but as those have slight eroded, his production has dropped off because he probably still thinks he can get away with his physical tools, instead of working to expand his game.
This. Moss got by not only on his physical gifts but also by being one of the smartest receivers to ever play. He understood the importance of route running, but also understood what every player on the field was doing and was going to do. Dez is a good player, but he's far more likely to be Chad Ocho-cinco II than Moss II.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: PowerSlave on April 14, 2018, 04:26:06 PM
So, from what you guys are saying he'd fit in with Cam Newton.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Stadler on April 16, 2018, 09:32:34 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/here%E2%80%99s-why-danny-amendola-chose-to-leave-patriots-sign-with-dolphins/ar-AAvRToA?ocid=ientp

Amendola also shared some candid comments on his experience playing for Belichick.“It’s not easy, that’s for sure,” he told Reiss. “He’s an a–h— sometimes. There were a lot of things I didn’t like about playing for him, but I must say, the things I didn’t like were all in regards to getting the team better, and I respected him. I didn’t like practicing in the snow, I didn’t like practicing in the rain, but that was going to make us a better football team and that was going to make me a better football player. It wasn’t easy, and he’d be the first to admit, at the (Super Bowl) ring ceremony, that it wasn’t easy playing for him. The silver lining was that we were at the ring ceremony.”
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on April 16, 2018, 10:49:14 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/here%E2%80%99s-why-danny-amendola-chose-to-leave-patriots-sign-with-dolphins/ar-AAvRToA?ocid=ientp

Amendola also shared some candid comments on his experience playing for Belichick.“It’s not easy, that’s for sure,” he told Reiss. “He’s an a–h— sometimes. There were a lot of things I didn’t like about playing for him, but I must say, the things I didn’t like were all in regards to getting the team better, and I respected him. I didn’t like practicing in the snow, I didn’t like practicing in the rain, but that was going to make us a better football team and that was going to make me a better football player. It wasn’t easy, and he’d be the first to admit, at the (Super Bowl) ring ceremony, that it wasn’t easy playing for him. The silver lining was that we were at the ring ceremony.”
Sounds about right. Like I said the other day, a lot of the leadership on that team has already one theirs, and playing for a notorious bastard is probably not all that interesting to them anymore. Hence the current discontent. Yet I have to wonder how a player like Brady, who's worked for Bill his entire career, would find life in some place like Dallas, where discipline is just a word you throw about to seem serious. I think he'd like it for about 5 minutes, and then realize how important it is to not be a disorganized group of half-assers.

And I figured every team practiced in the snow and rain. That shouldn't be an issue at all. If there are teams that don't they don't deserve one title, much less five.

In any case, I'm starting to tire of Gronk's attitude. It's pretty clear he's becoming a malcontent, and if that's the case it'd be worth it to take the "better too soon than too late" approach. While it's obviously impossible to replace him, there's also the very real possibility that they do without him anyway. He's not durable and he's only getting older. Moreover, he's made it clear he's only playing in NE for as long as TB is, so you can't expect any longterm future out of him.

Truth be told, I'd say the same thing about TB, but it seems Kraft has taken that option off the table.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Stadler on April 18, 2018, 09:37:02 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-rumors-tom-brady-leading-%e2%80%98pushback%e2%80%99-against-bill-belichick%e2%80%99s-culture/ar-AAvZNqT?ocid=ientp

I feel like this is a lot of speculation.  Any thoughts?

Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on April 18, 2018, 09:54:52 AM
 this is not the first time he's missed the first voluntary practices which is all about weight lifting goes against everything he does it is TB12 method. This is no surprise. When we get to the mandatory and they actually start throwing and he's not there, then I worry.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on April 18, 2018, 10:09:19 AM
God damn I wish they'd kept Garopollo. I'd really like to see this team moving forward, and it just doesn't seem to be happening.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on April 18, 2018, 10:15:50 AM
I really think the media speculations are adding to our fears right now.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: TAC on April 18, 2018, 10:40:34 AM
Well, Brady is not leading a revolt in the literal sense, I don't think. However it does make me think of the Wickersham article where players think they are appeasing the QB if they use Guerrero.

Curran is pretty dialed in down there so I would take what he says seriously, and I'm not even a huge Curran fan.

The thing is, Brady has really enabled Bill to coach the team the way he does. But as Bart says,

Yet I have to wonder how a player like Brady, who's worked for Bill his entire career, would find life in some place like Dallas, where discipline is just a word you throw about to seem serious. I think he'd like it for about 5 minutes, and then realize how important it is to not be a disorganized group of half-assers.

This is totally true.

But the Belichick/Brady legend really gets etched by going to 3 of the last 4 SB's. They may not have gotten there without Brady being pissed off about Jimmy G, but he may also not have gotten there, as he probably believes, without Guerrero.


Losing the SB plays a huge [art of this, which includes the Butler decision. Some think it's similar to Carrol not running Lynch at the goal line. I don't really disagree with that.

I think Brady is getting a LOT of pressure at home, and the coach's decision in the SB, for seemingly no reason, is really making Brady think.

When we get to the mandatory and they actually start throwing and he's not there, then I worry.

I agree.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on April 18, 2018, 10:50:44 AM
You make a very good point. Does the Patriot way happen if Brady isn't aboard? We know that Bill will enforce it anyway, he's not shy about shipping people off who won't conform, but without TB that might include a lot of other players. At this point, who's the elder statesman of the locker room if it's not TB? Gronk has seemingly made it clear he's there because of TB at this point.

Moreover, if TB is no longer aboard what does that do with the new QB that will almost certainly coming along shortly? Seems to me you need him ahead of the new guy more for instilling in him the way things are done, rather than how to play QB. All the more reason that starting fresh without Garopollo is highly problematic.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on April 18, 2018, 10:53:02 AM
I think Brady is more pissed off that his business partner, Alex Guerrero, was not allowed to hang out with the team.  The real issue is the is head butting going on about the training.  Brady is all about flexibility, same with Gronk.  So some of the players were not listening to the coaching staff on their training and BB told Guerrero, he no longer can help the team.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: TAC on April 18, 2018, 11:00:18 AM
You make a very good point. Does the Patriot way happen if Brady isn't aboard?

You know it's a slow day on Boston Sports Radio when the host says, "Who is more important, Brady or Belichick?" They know they can always milk a couple of hours with it.

To me, it's 50-50. Could either have won a SB without the other? Sure. Would they have been to EIGHT SBs without the other? Hell no!



Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on April 18, 2018, 11:28:18 AM
Yeah, I hate that argument.  You need both to have this kind of run.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on April 18, 2018, 12:36:26 PM
Ah, y'all are discussing who was more important. To that point I'm going with Bill. To me one of his greatest attributes as an HC is an ability gameplan around what he has to work with. He doesn't have a system, and he doesn't need to recruit players to fit into that system. He takes the best talent available and finds a way to make them all work together. We're talking about a coach who, when speaking about his O-line being decimated by injuries says "you know, there's nothing in the rulebook that says you have to play 5 offensive linemen." Who the hell thinks that way? While he's still the GOAT, Brady doesn't have the same level of success stuck in one system that might or might not have the right guys to work within it.

If we're talking about who is more important, it's Bill and it's not even close. Brady's on his way out. Bill's the one that has to figure out how to keep the thing on the tracks.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on April 18, 2018, 01:48:37 PM
 I think we're talking about the full run not the end here. You can go to 8 Super Bowls without a great coach and a great quarterback.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: bosk1 on April 18, 2018, 01:50:31 PM
You can go to 8 Super Bowls without a great coach and a great quarterback.

Of course you can.  I remember seeing something a few years back about a guy who had been to all or most of them.  Started going when he was a kid, and kept right on going.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Stadler on April 18, 2018, 01:54:59 PM
As much as I love TB, it's Bill.    Brady was/is a unique talent, but 25 (how many teams are there? That number minus one) other teams didn't see it.   Does he develop to "TB12" playing under Jason Garrett?  I don't think so.   Does Bill nuture another QB to play well in his system? I think he does.   Again, maybe not 8 Super Bowls in five years, but I think the odds of Bill happening without Tom are better than Tom happening without Bill.   

I also am with King, that a lot of this is filling the time after football and the NCAA and before the hockey season starts and baseball gets real. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: bosk1 on April 18, 2018, 02:01:25 PM
Oh, baseball is still a thing? 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: TAC on April 18, 2018, 02:03:16 PM
  Again, maybe not 8 Super Bowls in five years, but I think the odds of Bill happening without Tom are better than Tom happening without Bill.   


Wow, that IS amazing!!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: Tick on April 18, 2018, 02:16:36 PM
Oh, the NBA is still a thing?
Fixed
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on April 18, 2018, 02:19:57 PM
You can go to 8 Super Bowls without a great coach and a great quarterback.

Of course you can.  I remember seeing something a few years back about a guy who had been to all or most of them.  Started going when he was a kid, and kept right on going.

Can't dammit! :lol  Can't!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Schedule Release Night!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 18, 2018, 10:08:16 PM
One of my favorite nights of the off-season is upon us. The unveiling of the 2018 regular season schedule! Minnesota at Philadelphia is rumored to be the kickoff game. We know about the games for London and Mexico. Can't wait to see how the rest shakes out!

Also read that the kickoff time for prime time games are moving up. 15 minutes for MNF and SNF and a whopping 10 minutes for SNF. I guess every little bit helps for us east coast fans.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Schedule Release Night!
Post by: cramx3 on April 19, 2018, 08:25:08 AM
I like that change too.  Although when I travel to the west coast I really hate it how early games are :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Schedule Release Night!
Post by: Stadler on April 19, 2018, 08:32:41 AM
I like that change too.  Although when I travel to the west coast I really hate it how early games are :lol

DUDE!  I used to love that!!  I lived in LA for about a year or so, and I would  come home, crack a beer, cook some food and watch football.  After I could either sleep or go out if I wanted.  Sundays was even better.  Wake up make some coffee, watch football, do the Sunday crossword and the rest of the day was in front of you. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Schedule Release Night!
Post by: KevShmev on April 19, 2018, 07:40:35 PM
Jets/Lions is the early game of the MNF doubleheader Week 1...yuck.  Just more proof that the NFL doesn't give a damn anymore about having good match-ups on MNF. Sunday nights get the best games.

The 49ers are already the darling sleeper pick for 2018, but their first seven games are nightmarish.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Schedule Release Night!
Post by: axeman90210 on April 19, 2018, 09:17:59 PM
Yeah, as a Jets fan I have no idea why we're opening up the season in prime time :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Schedule Release Night!
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 20, 2018, 06:45:43 AM
It seems that the thought of "improving" TNF has further hurt MNF. There are some dog games on the schedule for sure.

Eagles host the Falcons and NOT the Vikings in week on. Love it when "sure thing" rumors are wrong.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Schedule Release Night!
Post by: Rattlehead on April 20, 2018, 06:50:34 AM
The schedule release night is one of my favorite nights of the off season too, my family always picks a weekend to fly out to Denver to see a Broncos game  :metal

I was hoping after a bad season the prices would drop, but they're looking just as ridiculous as they've been the last few seasons  :facepalm: We're looking at possibly attending either week 1 vs. Seattle or week 2 vs. Oakland. We also live about an hour and a half away from Metlife Stadium so we may end up going to see them play the NY Jets this year, but we won't make the mistake of wearing any Broncos stuff to that stadium again.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Schedule Release Night!
Post by: pg1067 on April 20, 2018, 09:06:27 AM
I like that change too.  Although when I travel to the west coast I really hate it how early games are :lol

DUDE!  I used to love that!!  I lived in LA for about a year or so, and I would  come home, crack a beer, cook some food and watch football.  After I could either sleep or go out if I wanted.  Sundays was even better.  Wake up make some coffee, watch football, do the Sunday crossword and the rest of the day was in front of you.

Yup...I've said it before...I don't know how you east coast folks do it.  You have to sit around until 1:00 before you get football on Sunday.  MNF/TNF games don't start until after 8:00.  National baseball games routinely don't end until after midnight.  I'm guessing there's a whole generation of east coast kids that has never seen the end of a World Series game.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Schedule Release Night!
Post by: Nick on April 20, 2018, 11:29:26 AM
God damn I wish they'd kept Garopollo. I'd really like to see this team moving forward, and it just doesn't seem to be happening.

No backsies!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Schedule Release Night!
Post by: Stadler on April 20, 2018, 12:10:48 PM
God damn I wish they'd kept Garopollo. I'd really like to see this team moving forward, and it just doesn't seem to be happening.

No backsies!

I wouldn't rest too easily out there.   This wouldn't be the first time in history a player takes leave, then comes "back home" to assume the mantle of leadership. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Schedule Release Night!
Post by: kingshmegland on April 20, 2018, 12:57:10 PM
He just signed a long term deal.  He's not coming back. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Schedule Release Night!
Post by: splent on April 20, 2018, 09:53:12 PM
Bears opening up at lambeau for the packers 100th season is the best way for the pack T.K. open. Go pack go!!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Schedule Release Night!
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 21, 2018, 06:30:30 PM
Rams 5 Prime Time games!  We will be at the home ones, Thurs Night vs the Vikes, Sun night vs. the Eagles.  Finally we will be heading down to Mexico City for our "Home"  Mon. night game vs. the Chiefs!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: El Barto on April 23, 2018, 05:58:31 PM
Once again I have to say that Gronk is more valuable for the draft pick he could be traded for than as a potential player for the Patriots next year. Along with his dominance at the position is the very real prospect that he becomes a problem in the lockerroom. The latter is increasing. I'd really like to see Bill nip this thing in the bud.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Stadler on April 24, 2018, 07:36:18 AM
Are there rumblings?  I feel if Gronk is sent packing, though, the domino effect would basically be a reboot of the franchise.  At 62 years old, is Brady going to want to start over with a new line, a new set of receivers, and a new "go-to" guy (even if that guy only plays half the time anyway?).

Giselle Ono might have something to say about all that, too.   

(Not suggesting any of this is right, or that Bill cares - I don't think he does - but it's just food for thought.)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: cramx3 on April 24, 2018, 08:09:16 AM
Some rumors of a 4 team draft day trade came up on local sports radio today with the Giants moving back and the Bills moving into 2.  I don't know if I believe it or not, but I will be kind of upset if the Giants move out of #2.  It's the lowest they have gotten to pick in my life (which is a pretty good thing really) but I want to see them get a big time player (either Barkley or a future QB).
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: El Barto on April 24, 2018, 08:23:25 AM
Are there rumblings?  I feel if Gronk is sent packing, though, the domino effect would basically be a reboot of the franchise.  At 62 years old, is Brady going to want to start over with a new line, a new set of receivers, and a new "go-to" guy (even if that guy only plays half the time anyway?).

Giselle Ono might have something to say about all that, too.   

(Not suggesting any of this is right, or that Bill cares - I don't think he does - but it's just food for thought.)
No rumblings of a trade. Plenty that he's a malcontent and essentially rocking the boat insofar as the patriot way goes. And the latter part about Brady and the reboot is why there isn't more talk about the trade. I don't think he'd respond favorably to it which is why I'm so disappointed they had to unload Garopollo. Honestly, it's time to move on from TB, as well.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: TAC on April 24, 2018, 08:38:17 AM
At 62 years old, is Brady going to want to start over with a new line, a new set of receivers,

Brady is playing another 20 years?? Wow!!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: kingshmegland on April 24, 2018, 09:14:21 AM
It's hard tomoveokn from a QB who had an MVP year for the owner.  The one thing that Brady has proven over the years is that he has been durable.  Something Jimmy G. did not show and couldn't fight through the plain to play like Brady has shown throughout his career.

Gronk, and this is my take is pissed because the contract he signed is based on staying on the field.  Once BB got rid of Gurerro on the Patriots premises and game day, Gronk now looks that as a shot since he believes that Gurerro keeps him on the field.  Hence the revolt.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Nick on April 24, 2018, 09:56:03 AM
tomoveokn

I haven't played the newer Street Fighter games, but can only assume that's one of the new moves.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/streetfighter/images/1/1e/Ryu-hadoken-artwork.png/revision/latest?cb=20100709171559)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: El Barto on April 24, 2018, 09:58:37 AM
It's hard tomoveokn from a QB who had an MVP year for the owner.  The one thing that Brady has proven over the years is that he has been durable.  Something Jimmy G. did not show and couldn't fight through the plain to play like Brady has shown throughout his career.

Gronk, and this is my take is pissed because the contract he signed is based on staying on the field.  Once BB got rid of Gurerro on the Patriots premises and game day, Gronk now looks that as a shot since he believes that Gurerro keeps him on the field.  Hence the revolt.
If your second paragraph is true, it does absolutely nothing to dissuade me from thinking Gronk's a malcontent and it's time to move on. The reasons for his acting out don't concern me.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 24, 2018, 10:22:54 AM
It's hard tomoveokn from a QB who had an MVP year for the owner.  The one thing that Brady has proven over the years is that he has been durable.  Something Jimmy G. did not show and couldn't fight through the plain to play like Brady has shown throughout his career.

Gronk, and this is my take is pissed because the contract he signed is based on staying on the field.  Once BB got rid of Gurerro on the Patriots premises and game day, Gronk now looks that as a shot since he believes that Gurerro keeps him on the field.  Hence the revolt.


To be fair, Garoppolo wasn't hurt. He was injured. A grade two AC injury/torn ligament in his throwing shoulder, which typically requires a 2-4 week recovery. No way they were going to march him on the field 4 days later to play the Texans, and no way they were going to play him after he recovered, because Brady's suspension was up.

It will be very interesting to see how Jimmy G fares in his first legitimate full season as a starting NFL QB. The front end of the 49ers schedule is brutal...so I for one am not passing judgment if they struggle in the early-going. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: El Barto on April 24, 2018, 10:39:03 AM
I'm pretty curious about how JG does, as well. I suspect he'll be good-very good, but I don't expect greatness. My hunch is that a good chunk of his success at the end of last year came from energizing a team that had been falling apart for years. We'll see if it continues. I'm really rooting for him, though.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: bosk1 on April 24, 2018, 10:55:17 AM
^That's about where I am as well.  Just kind of in "wait and see" mode. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: kingshmegland on April 24, 2018, 11:18:49 AM
It's hard tomoveokn from a QB who had an MVP year for the owner.  The one thing that Brady has proven over the years is that he has been durable.  Something Jimmy G. did not show and couldn't fight through the plain to play like Brady has shown throughout his career.

Gronk, and this is my take is pissed because the contract he signed is based on staying on the field.  Once BB got rid of Gurerro on the Patriots premises and game day, Gronk now looks that as a shot since he believes that Gurerro keeps him on the field.  Hence the revolt.


To be fair, Garoppolo wasn't hurt. He was injured. A grade two AC injury/torn ligament in his throwing shoulder, which typically requires a 2-4 week recovery. No way they were going to march him on the field 4 days later to play the Texans, and no way they were going to play him after he recovered, because Brady's suspension was up.

It will be very interesting to see how Jimmy G fares in his first legitimate full season as a starting NFL QB. The front end of the 49ers schedule is brutal...so I for one am not passing judgment if they struggle in the early-going.

Brady has played through those before.   Leaders do. Jimmy isonhis way no doubt.  Can he avoid those kind of hits and absorb them in a way to be on the field? That is the question.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: bosk1 on April 24, 2018, 11:19:42 AM
Brady played through a grade two AC injury/torn ligament in his throwing shoulder?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 24, 2018, 11:38:34 AM
It's hard tomoveokn from a QB who had an MVP year for the owner.  The one thing that Brady has proven over the years is that he has been durable.  Something Jimmy G. did not show and couldn't fight through the plain to play like Brady has shown throughout his career.

Gronk, and this is my take is pissed because the contract he signed is based on staying on the field.  Once BB got rid of Gurerro on the Patriots premises and game day, Gronk now looks that as a shot since he believes that Gurerro keeps him on the field.  Hence the revolt.


To be fair, Garoppolo wasn't hurt. He was injured. A grade two AC injury/torn ligament in his throwing shoulder, which typically requires a 2-4 week recovery. No way they were going to march him on the field 4 days later to play the Texans, and no way they were going to play him after he recovered, because Brady's suspension was up.

It will be very interesting to see how Jimmy G fares in his first legitimate full season as a starting NFL QB. The front end of the 49ers schedule is brutal...so I for one am not passing judgment if they struggle in the early-going.

Brady has played through those before.   Leaders do. Jimmy isonhis way no doubt.  Can he avoid those kind of hits and absorb them in a way to be on the field? That is the question.

But every player handles different injurys in different ways. Philip Rivers played an entire game with a torn ACL while Brady couldn’t, but is anyone gonna honestly say that they would rather have Rivers than Brady? Also, most of the time it’s a coaches decision whether or not a guy plays with an injury.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: kingshmegland on April 24, 2018, 12:23:17 PM
Brady played through a grade two AC injury/torn ligament in his throwing shoulder?

Yes he has.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: kingshmegland on April 24, 2018, 12:25:49 PM
It's hard tomoveokn from a QB who had an MVP year for the owner.  The one thing that Brady has proven over the years is that he has been durable.  Something Jimmy G. did not show and couldn't fight through the plain to play like Brady has shown throughout his career.

Gronk, and this is my take is pissed because the contract he signed is based on staying on the field.  Once BB got rid of Gurerro on the Patriots premises and game day, Gronk now looks that as a shot since he believes that Gurerro keeps him on the field.  Hence the revolt.


To be fair, Garoppolo wasn't hurt. He was injured. A grade two AC injury/torn ligament in his throwing shoulder, which typically requires a 2-4 week recovery. No way they were going to march him on the field 4 days later to play the Texans, and no way they were going to play him after he recovered, because Brady's suspension was up.

It will be very interesting to see how Jimmy G fares in his first legitimate full season as a starting NFL QB. The front end of the 49ers schedule is brutal...so I for one am not passing judgment if they struggle in the early-going.

Brady has played through those before.   Leaders do. Jimmy isonhis way no doubt.  Can he avoid those kind of hits and absorb them in a way to be on the field? That is the question.

But every player handles different injurys in different ways. Philip Rivers played an entire game with a torn ACL while Brady couldn’t, but is anyone gonna honestly say that they would rather have Rivers than Brady? Also, most of the time it’s a coaches decision whether or not a guy plays with an injury.

One game.  Big difference.  I was at that game.  He was amazing.  Changed my application fo or Rivers that day.

If Rivers gets that injury in game one of the season he shutout down.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Samsara on April 24, 2018, 12:42:50 PM
Can't wait for Thursday. As a Jets fan, I want Mayfield. But we'll see what happens.

The Browns scenario is interesting. One theory I heard recently was that they would pick Barkley with 1, and Chubb with 4, and then trade back up into the mid-first round and take Lamar Jackson. At first I was confused by that, but it now would make sense, if they can secure a high enough third first rounder. You have to figure with Tyrod Taylor starting, they are going to run a system that takes advantage of a QB's mobility a little bit. Well, if you take Jackson, then you pretty much have exactly what you need, and he can sit for year (if needed) and see how the system works with a veteran QB.

Now, I don't think that's going to happen, I think the Browns are going to take Darnold with the first pick, and probably Chubb with 4, if Barkley is off the board. However, it would not surprise me if the Browns did indeed go the Barkley, Chubb, trade up get Jackson route.

My best guest though the top-6:

Browns - Darnold
Giants - Barkley
Jets - Mayfield
Browns - Chubb
Broncos - Josh Allen
Colts - Rosen (if they go QB, it means Luck's injury is more career threatening then we think)

I think Lamar Jackson (if the above scenario with the Browns does not happen) will go #11 to the Dolphins (assuming no trades). I don't think he is going to last long.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: axeman90210 on April 24, 2018, 09:16:21 PM
I don't watch any college football so as to have my own opinion on various prospects, but from what I've read I'll be varying amounts of happy with the Jets taking any of the top QB prospects aside from Josh Allen.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: kaos2900 on April 25, 2018, 07:03:45 AM
Can't wait for Thursday. As a Jets fan, I want Mayfield. But we'll see what happens.

The Browns scenario is interesting. One theory I heard recently was that they would pick Barkley with 1, and Chubb with 4, and then trade back up into the mid-first round and take Lamar Jackson. At first I was confused by that, but it now would make sense, if they can secure a high enough third first rounder. You have to figure with Tyrod Taylor starting, they are going to run a system that takes advantage of a QB's mobility a little bit. Well, if you take Jackson, then you pretty much have exactly what you need, and he can sit for year (if needed) and see how the system works with a veteran QB.

Now, I don't think that's going to happen, I think the Browns are going to take Darnold with the first pick, and probably Chubb with 4, if Barkley is off the board. However, it would not surprise me if the Browns did indeed go the Barkley, Chubb, trade up get Jackson route.

My best guest though the top-6:

Browns - Darnold
Giants - Barkley
Jets - Mayfield
Browns - Chubb
Broncos - Josh Allen
Colts - Rosen (if they go QB, it means Luck's injury is more career threatening then we think)

I think Lamar Jackson (if the above scenario with the Browns does not happen) will go #11 to the Dolphins (assuming no trades). I don't think he is going to last long.

I think the Browns have an underated QB in Taylor and they don't have to take one of these QBs. They should take the best player. Period. And that would be Barkley and Chubb. There is so much risk at taking a QB #1. But it's the Browns so I'm sure they'll make a stupid decision.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 25, 2018, 07:14:47 AM
Can't wait for Thursday. As a Jets fan, I want Mayfield. But we'll see what happens.

The Browns scenario is interesting. One theory I heard recently was that they would pick Barkley with 1, and Chubb with 4, and then trade back up into the mid-first round and take Lamar Jackson. At first I was confused by that, but it now would make sense, if they can secure a high enough third first rounder. You have to figure with Tyrod Taylor starting, they are going to run a system that takes advantage of a QB's mobility a little bit. Well, if you take Jackson, then you pretty much have exactly what you need, and he can sit for year (if needed) and see how the system works with a veteran QB.

Now, I don't think that's going to happen, I think the Browns are going to take Darnold with the first pick, and probably Chubb with 4, if Barkley is off the board. However, it would not surprise me if the Browns did indeed go the Barkley, Chubb, trade up get Jackson route.

My best guest though the top-6:

Browns - Darnold
Giants - Barkley
Jets - Mayfield
Browns - Chubb
Broncos - Josh Allen
Colts - Rosen (if they go QB, it means Luck's injury is more career threatening then we think)

I think Lamar Jackson (if the above scenario with the Browns does not happen) will go #11 to the Dolphins (assuming no trades). I don't think he is going to last long.

I think the Browns have an underated QB in Taylor and they don't have to take one of these QBs. They should take the best player. Period. And that would be Barkley and Chubb. There is so much risk at taking a QB #1. But it's the Browns so I'm sure they'll make a stupid decision.

As a Chiefs fan, you should know that with John Dorsey at the helm, this won't be the same old Browns.

He's made some great picks during his time at KC.... a few misses of course, but that happens.


https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Bolt/Every-selection-John-Dorsey-made-in-the-NFL-Draft-112328382
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: kaos2900 on April 25, 2018, 07:21:19 AM
Good point, should be interesting first day.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 25, 2018, 07:28:20 AM
The first night of the draft is must see TV for me. Eagles don't pick until 32nd (barring any trades), but still.... love seeing the emotion of guys who are realizing their dream of being drafted to an NFL team. Always interesting to see where the QBs wind up. I'll never forget watching Rodgers in the green room for 4+ hours in 2005.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 26, 2018, 08:46:03 AM
Apparently someone unearthed some racists tweets posted by Josh Allen years ago. Amazing how these sort of things seem to get released so close to the draft. I'll never forget when Tunsill's gas mask video got posted soon before the Ravens were on the clock with a Left Tackle in mind.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2018, 09:19:23 AM
Apparently someone unearthed some racists tweets posted by Josh Allen years ago. Amazing how these sort of things seem to get released so close to the draft. I'll never forget when Tunsill's gas mask video got posted soon before the Ravens were on the clock with a Left Tackle in mind.

Yea, someone found that and waited until today.  I didn't see the tweets and local radio kind of just pushed it aside as some old high school garbage and the guy really isn't a racist so shouldn't be a big deal.... but damn, social media coming to bite people in the ass again on their biggest day.  Hopefully kids are taking note.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Samsara on April 26, 2018, 11:21:14 AM
Crossing fingers the Jets get to take Baker Mayfield. Or if the Browns do indeed grab him with #1, that the Giants don't pull the trigger on Darnold. I am fine with either of those two on the Jets, but don't really feel the same about Rosen or Allen.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 26, 2018, 05:23:54 PM
The draft is almost underway. Very excited!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: KevShmev on April 26, 2018, 05:25:30 PM
Sam Darnold might catch a major break by not getting drafted by the trainwreck that is the Browns.

I will LOL if the Browns take Mayfield 1st, which is the rumor.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 26, 2018, 06:02:35 PM
Sam Darnold might catch a major break by not getting drafted by the trainwreck that is the Browns.

I will LOL if the Browns take Mayfield 1st, which is the rumor.

I think the Mayfield rumor is just smoke.

And Cleveland is no longer a Trainwreck. Dorsey is righting the ship.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 26, 2018, 06:07:06 PM
Another warm welcome for the Commish
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2018, 06:07:27 PM
lol at the booing, non stop booing for Goodell  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 26, 2018, 06:11:57 PM
I'm thinking Darnold is the pick. He can sit behind Tyrod for a year.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 26, 2018, 06:17:26 PM
Wow
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: KevShmev on April 26, 2018, 06:18:21 PM
 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Browns gonna Brown.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2018, 06:26:16 PM
YES!!!  :metal :metal

Love the crowd reaction for that pick too
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: orcus116 on April 26, 2018, 06:28:05 PM
Guess they believe in Davis Webb.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: cramx3 on April 26, 2018, 06:38:16 PM
Guess they believe in Davis Webb.

You know they don't, they are in win now mode and went with the best available which traditionally Giants do in first round.  But also, RB was a huge need.  Either way, I didn't personally love Darnold, but wouldn't of been mad if they invested more so in the future.  I'm a PSU alum and diehard fan, so seeing my favorite player the last two years now on my favorite NFL team is like a dream come true.  I am totally biased here.

Anyway, I shared this box score to my friends earlier
PSU vs USC Rose Bowl 2017 (http://www.espn.com/college-football/matchup?gameId=400876111)
Great game (even for a loss for my team, I can admit this is classic) and look at those gaudy stats between Darnold and Barkley.  Both should do well in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: axeman90210 on April 26, 2018, 06:40:56 PM
Crossing fingers the Jets get to take Baker Mayfield. Or if the Browns do indeed grab him with #1, that the Giants don't pull the trigger on Darnold. I am fine with either of those two on the Jets, but don't really feel the same about Rosen or Allen.

That worked out well. I would have been OK with Rosen, but definitely had DO NOT WANT stamped all over Allen.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 26, 2018, 06:41:58 PM
Barkley was 1000000% the right pick. We've seen what Gurley, Fournette and of course Bell have meant to their teams. And the Giants have had a close look of how Zeke has impacted the Cowboys. So now the catch is to build a line. Hopefully Solder has some left in the tank.

Mayfield will be up for the challenge. He's made a living proving people wrong. And he may prove to be more Russell Wilson than Johnny Manziel. We shall see.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: orcus116 on April 26, 2018, 06:44:44 PM
Guess they believe in Davis Webb.

You know they don't, they are in win now mode and went with the best available which traditionally Giants do in first round.  But also, RB was a huge need.  Either way, I didn't personally love Darnold, but wouldn't of been mad if they invested more so in the future.  I'm a PSU alum and diehard fan, so seeing my favorite player the last two years now on my favorite NFL team is like a dream come true.  I am totally biased here.

Anyway, I shared this box score to my friends earlier
PSU vs USC Rose Bowl 2017 (http://www.espn.com/college-football/matchup?gameId=400876111)
Great game (even for a loss for my team, I can admit this is classic) and look at those gaudy stats between Darnold and Barkley.  Both should do well in the NFL.

In the short term I'm definitely pumped. I guess I shouldn't worry about 2-3 years down the line until we get there.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: KevShmev on April 26, 2018, 06:45:59 PM
Love getting Chubb at 5.  If he is what he is expected to be, you have Chubb coming from one side and Von Miller from the other.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: KevShmev on April 26, 2018, 07:01:54 PM
Bills gave up a lot to get a QB who apparently has accuracy issues. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: kingshmegland on April 26, 2018, 07:09:48 PM
Love getting a Chubb at 5.  If he is what he is expected to be, you have Chubb coming from one side and Von Miller from the other.

 :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: TAC on April 26, 2018, 07:13:25 PM
Love getting a Chubb at 5.  If he is what he is expected to be, you have Chubb coming from one side and Von Miller from the other.

 :lol

Eww.

Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: dparrott on April 26, 2018, 08:08:02 PM
Vea would have been perfect for the Raiders, dammit.  Big local dude.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: T-ski on April 26, 2018, 09:08:04 PM
Packers moved down 4 spots giving up a 3rd and picking up a 2019 1st and still got who they wanted.

Can't be to disappointed in that.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: dparrott on April 26, 2018, 11:16:30 PM
Looks like the Seahawks got a decent RB.

Btw, the Jags hyped new uniforms were a let down.  They got rid of the two tone helmet, but the jerseys are basically practice jerseys.   :\
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: jammindude on April 26, 2018, 11:22:35 PM
Looks like the Seahawks got a decent RB.


Yeah....but who’s going to block for him?  :-\
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 27, 2018, 05:21:06 AM
Like that Howie traded out of the first. There were a lot of reaches in round one, so there will be value in a lot of these 2nd and 3rd day picks.

Entertaining 1st round overall... bookended with Heisman Winners.

Jones and Ridley is going to be an insane duo at WR for Atlanta.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: DT2003 on April 27, 2018, 05:34:08 AM
Guess they believe in Davis Webb.
As a Giants fan I would have been upset if Barkley was available and they didn’t take him. The Giants have not had a good running game for several years, and they picked a guy who is a sure thing IMO. The only thing that worries me is that I think Eli has two years left, maybe three if we are lucky, and at that point they might have trouble finding a franchise QB. Webb is not the answer, the Giants clearly showed what they think of him last year when they sat Eli and Webb wasn’t even dressed for the game. Maybe Eli can mentor him over the next couple of years, but I just don’t see it.

Still shocked the Browns took Mayfield and I have to think if they took Barkley with the first pick that they still could have taken Mayfield with the forth pick as I just can’t imagine the Giants would have taken Mayfield, but who knows. I’m personally glad it worked out the way it did.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Tick on April 27, 2018, 06:09:56 AM
My thoughts on last night...

The Browns are clowns. You knew they would pick Mayfield because they love a good train wreck. I have no faith in Baker Mayfield as a person and certainly not as a savior for the armpit franchise of the NFL.

The Giants are kind of stupid because if you are not going to pick a QB at 2 you bluff with the Jets to make them think you are taking the guy they want. The Jets wanted Darnold bad, they would have forked up something to the Gmen in fear they would take him. Trade down to the 3 spot, get something from the Jets and still get the guy you want. How did they not do that?
and I don't think for a second the Giants believe Davis Webb is the future.

Finally as a Broncos fan I'm thrilled with getting Chubb! Chubb and Von Miller will wreak havoc! Great pick by Denver!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2018, 06:32:27 AM
Still shocked the Browns took Mayfield and I have to think if they took Barkley with the first pick that they still could have taken Mayfield with the forth pick as I just can’t imagine the Giants would have taken Mayfield, but who knows. I’m personally glad it worked out the way it did.

From what I heard this morning, the Giants never considered Mayfield
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Rattlehead on April 27, 2018, 06:51:18 AM
Love getting Chubb at 5.  If he is what he is expected to be, you have Chubb coming from one side and Von Miller from the other.

I'm excited about the Chubb pick too, I really think he's the best player Denver could've taken in this draft to help them win now. Not sure if you saw the Miller reaction video to Chubb being selected, but he's pretty excited about the pick too  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 27, 2018, 07:04:13 AM
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Browns gonna Brown.

My only reaction to last night. Spot on Kev  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: busty sinclair on April 27, 2018, 07:21:15 AM
As a chargers fan i'm not happy about the chubb pick. thats going to be rough. I'm am very happy about Derwin James though!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on April 27, 2018, 08:24:31 AM
Wow....  Rosen already stirring shit up.  Gonna be happy to introduce him to Donald, Suh, and Brockers!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Stadler on April 27, 2018, 08:24:45 AM
I'm kind of with Tick on that Giants pick.   Running back has proven - even with the Giants! - to not be a first round, or if you must, a first-half of first round - pick.   They don't have long enough careers, they get hurt too easily, and are too often used as part of a scheme rather than an every-down player.    At that spot, you take the best long-term play you can, and that includes 3 or 5 draft picks further down from someone like the Jets, who are desperate.   

That was a "WWJJD?"* moment right there, not a "WWBBD?"** moment.

* What would Jerry Jones do?
** What would Bill Belichick do?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: bosk1 on April 27, 2018, 08:31:44 AM
I don't follow the draft closely.  Never have.  It's just not very interesting to me, especially since I don't really follow college, so I don't know the players.  I mean, I'll take a look and see what positions some teams have picked up.  But I don't follow it live.

So, forgive my ignorance on this--I'm sure there is a simple explanation.  But my question is:  How do they get jerseys together so quickly?  I mean, team X goes on the clock, and a couple minutes later, they pick Johnny QB, and then a couple of minutes later, Johnny QB is up onstage posing for the cameras with a team jersey with his name on it.  How does that even happen?  Do teams come up with their realistic top 10 picks and pre-print 10 jerseys or something?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 27, 2018, 08:40:52 AM
This article explains it:  http://triblive.com/local/regional/13572437-74/masontown-company-works-behind-the-scenes-to-speed-print-jerseys-at-nfl-draft

 
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[/When the Pittsburgh Steelers drafted T.J. Watt last year in Philadelphia, another Western Pennsylvania team was watching the clock.

In the minutes between when the team made their pick from the “war room” and when NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell announced Watt to the crowd, people in a small room behind the scenes grabbed Watt's name from a folder of all the draftees, stamped it onto a Steelers jersey and hustled it to the stage so it could be presented. Then the clock restarted as the next team made their pick.

For seven years, the mad dash to custom-print new players' jerseys for the NFL draft has been handed off to the team from Stahls' Decorating Fulfillment Center in Masontown, Fayette County.

They will be there again for Thursday's NFL Draft in Arlington, Texas, with 256 jerseys, names of the top draftees in 1,400 different combinations to cover each player in every team's fonts and colors, and two of the heat-transfer presses the company also manufactures in Pennsylvania.

“We have two minutes, max,” said Lisa Leone, Stahls' client services director, who has attended several drafts.

But weeks of research and prep work lead up to those two frantic minutes, as staff at the Masontown facility prepare the Nike jerseys by sewing numbers and blank nameplates onto the back and pre-print all the names for each team's thick folder of potential players.

“One or two guys did two or three weeks solid just gathering all the files and cutting all the letters,” production manager Jon Stange said.

The folders then get laid out in the teams' first-round order within Stahls' tiny workspace behind the scenes at the draft — typically only about 100 square feet, Leone said — along with racks of the jerseys. As each team makes its selection, they can pick the right name and font from the folder and use the press to heat-transfer it to a jersey in about 10 seconds.

“Once you've done all the work to this point, it's all about selecting the right components,” said Josh Ellsworth, Stahls' vice president of dealer sales. “The machine does all the work.”

The exception is the rare occasion when a player expected to go in a later round of the draft gets a surprise bump to the first round, leaving the Stahls' team to frantically cut and reassemble letters from other players' names, Ellsworth said.

The team makes three jerseys for each pick — one for the announcement that's handed to the player, a second that's given away to a fan, and a third that's sent to the NFL's trading-card company to be sliced up and mounted on special cards. They bring eight blank jerseys for each team — they once ran short a few years ago after some trades and had to swipe a jersey from a display case, Stange said.
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Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: bosk1 on April 27, 2018, 08:44:54 AM
:tup
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2018, 08:48:02 AM
I'm kind of with Tick on that Giants pick.   Running back has proven - even with the Giants! - to not be a first round, or if you must, a first-half of first round - pick.   They don't have long enough careers, they get hurt too easily, and are too often used as part of a scheme rather than an every-down player.    At that spot, you take the best long-term play you can, and that includes 3 or 5 draft picks further down from someone like the Jets, who are desperate.   

That was a "WWJJD?"* moment right there, not a "WWBBD?"** moment.

* What would Jerry Jones do?
** What would Bill Belichick do?

#1 prospect of the class by many of the scouts.  So he's definitely viewed as a long term player with out of the world talent.  Also, he is great at receiving and special teams (though I can't see them putting him on kick offs, he's too valuable, but maybe on an important need to come back end of season situation).  I'll concede that RBs over the last 10 years have gone down in value and one could definitely win an argument saying a QB is better long term value from this draft position.  But to put that as a JJ pick is totally undervaluing the talent in this case.  Especially when BB took a RB in the first round too.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 27, 2018, 09:05:46 AM
Gurley, Zeke and Fournette have proven the value of taking a RB high if he has all world talent, which is what Barkley seems to possess.

But to play the devil's advocate, when is the last time a RB taken in the top 10 helped his team win a Super Bowl?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2018, 09:13:13 AM
Gurley, Zeke and Fournette have proven the value of taking a RB high if he has all world talent, which is what Barkley seems to possess.

But to play the devil's advocate, when is the last time a RB taken in the top 10 helped his team win a Super Bowl?

Shit, when was the last time a PSU running back had ANY success in the NFL?  :lol  There's no doubt there's more value at a QB than RB, but RB is a need today.  The Giants feel they have a QB for a couple more years.  I'm on the fence about that.  Eli is not the reason the Giants were garbage last year, but regardless, he is old and at the end of his career.  If the Giants draft an OL today and with Solder, they are upgraded where they needed it most and have all the skill to be explosive.  Will it come together?  Well nothing is guaranteed in the NFL, including the 5 QBs drafted last night. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 27, 2018, 09:19:49 AM
Gurley, Zeke and Fournette have proven the value of taking a RB high if he has all world talent, which is what Barkley seems to possess.

But to play the devil's advocate, when is the last time a RB taken in the top 10 helped his team win a Super Bowl?

Shit, when was the last time a PSU running back had ANY success in the NFL?  :lol  There's no doubt there's more value at a QB than RB, but RB is a need today.  The Giants feel they have a QB for a couple more years.  I'm on the fence about that.  Eli is not the reason the Giants were garbage last year, but regardless, he is old and at the end of his career.  If the Giants draft an OL today and with Solder, they are upgraded where they needed it most and have all the skill to be explosive.  Will it come together?  Well nothing is guaranteed in the NFL, including the 5 QBs drafted last night.

I personally believe that the Giants made the correct call. I think guys like Gurley, Zeke and Fournette have proven to be worth the investment. As you've pointed out, they got some help for the line, and if they can get some more tonight or tomorrow, they could be right back to being good next year.  And I still believe that NY is going to wind up being Dez Bryant's landing spot, even if it's on a 1 year "prove it" deal.

And as you've said before.... it is awesome to have your favorite college player drafted to your favorite NFL team. So I'm happy for you that it played out that way.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 27, 2018, 09:23:17 AM
Yeah if I was the Browns and I really wanted Baker (*shudders*) I would have taken Barkley first and then taken Baker 4th cause he probably still would have been there. The Browns have a good o-line, Barkley would have been a HUGE asset for them.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2018, 09:29:05 AM
And as you've said before.... it is awesome to have your favorite college player drafted to your favorite NFL team. So I'm happy for you that it played out that way.

I'm clearly a bit biased here as I mentioned so my fanboism is just gushing blue today.  I'm wearing my PSU big 10 champs tshirt too.  I feel like a kid getting candy and am definitely on the market for a #26 Giants jersey.  I think regardless, I'd be happy with the pick though even if I wasn't a die hard PSU fan.  I would have been happy with a QB or Chubb too if they went that direction.  The Giants aren't the Browns and I had confidence they wouldn't fuck this up.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: El Barto on April 27, 2018, 09:49:31 AM
Yeah if I was the Browns and I really wanted Baker (*shudders*) I would have taken Barkley first and then taken Baker 4th cause he probably still would have been there. The Browns have a good o-line, Barkley would have been a HUGE asset for them.
Exactly. I couldn't figure out why they didn't do that, other than they simply didn't have the cojones. Seemed pretty obvious to me.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 27, 2018, 09:50:22 AM
And as you've said before.... it is awesome to have your favorite college player drafted to your favorite NFL team. So I'm happy for you that it played out that way.

I'm clearly a bit biased here as I mentioned so my fanboism is just gushing blue today.  I'm wearing my PSU big 10 champs tshirt too.  I feel like a kid getting candy and am definitely on the market for a #26 Giants jersey.  I think regardless, I'd be happy with the pick though even if I wasn't a die hard PSU fan.  I would have been happy with a QB or Chubb too if they went that direction.  The Giants aren't the Browns and I had confidence they wouldn't fuck this up.

Yeah, the Giants are not frequent shoppers in the Top 5 express for good reason. But really they could do no wrong. Barkley, Chubb or one of the top rated O-Linemen would have been fine.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 27, 2018, 09:51:21 AM
Yeah if I was the Browns and I really wanted Baker (*shudders*) I would have taken Barkley first and then taken Baker 4th cause he probably still would have been there. The Browns have a good o-line, Barkley would have been a HUGE asset for them.
Exactly. I couldn't figure out why they didn't do that, other than they simply didn't have the cojones. Seemed pretty obvious to me.

Yup
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 27, 2018, 09:58:40 AM
I disagree.

If Dorsey's evaluations let him to believe that Mayfield was the best QB, then he did the right thing. No telling if the Jets preferred Mayfield over Darnold. Not worth the risk.

As for the cornerback. The position is a huge need for the team, and Dorsey gets credit for drafting Marcus Peters a few years ago. If he saw similar talent in Ward, the yes. Right call.

Running back was not a position of need for Cleveland, not with Hyde and Johnson Jr.. And even if it were, plenty of good RBs still available in day 2 and 3.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 27, 2018, 11:32:30 AM
I disagree.

If Dorsey's evaluations let him to believe that Mayfield was the best QB, then he did the right thing. No telling if the Jets preferred Mayfield over Darnold. Not worth the risk.

As for the cornerback. The position is a huge need for the team, and Dorsey gets credit for drafting Marcus Peters a few years ago. If he saw similar talent in Ward, the yes. Right call.

Running back was not a position of need for Cleveland, not with Hyde and Johnson Jr.. And even if it were, plenty of good RBs still available in day 2 and 3.

So, basically...

Exactly. I couldn't figure out why they didn't do that, other than they simply didn't have the cojones. Seemed pretty obvious to me.

For the record, I think Mayfield will be a flop regardless of whether he was the first, second, third, forth, whatever pick.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: kaos2900 on April 27, 2018, 11:55:05 AM
Only the Browns can have so many opportunities to get first choice of top talent from College and continue to make mind boggling decisions. I don't know if Mayfield will pan out or not, I'm leaning not, but in my opinion you pick the best player available unless you have zero need for that position. They have proven to be absolutely unable to pick a solid NFL caliber QB so why not not take the best Defensive player in the draft (Chubb) or best offensive player in the draft (Barkley)? I get that this was a QB heavy draft but NONE of these guys for sure franchise QBs. Pick the players you know can make your team better day one and either wait for late rounder QB or play the free agency market. It must truly be maddening to be a Browns fan.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: El Barto on April 27, 2018, 12:20:24 PM
Jason Witten has announced his retirement. Dude's been a helluva player for 15 years. Off to the greener pastures of a broadcast booth.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2018, 12:21:32 PM
Jason Witten has announced his retirement. Dude's been a helluva player for 15 years. Off to the greener pastures of a broadcast booth.

Great news as a Giants fan.  Guy was a beast who consistently pissed me off with his great playing.  He had a fantastic career.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: El Barto on April 27, 2018, 12:29:05 PM
Jason Witten has announced his retirement. Dude's been a helluva player for 15 years. Off to the greener pastures of a broadcast booth.

Great news as a Giants fan.  Guy was a beast who consistently pissed me off with his great playing.  He had a fantastic career.

LOL. Apparently your Philadelphia compatriots feel the same way:

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Jason Witten retires after 100 years in the NFL to join Monday Night Football, report says
Hard to believe this day has finally come.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2018, 12:30:46 PM
 :lol it does feel like he's been terrorizing us for a 100 years.  I forgot what life was like without him
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Samsara on April 27, 2018, 12:57:01 PM
Darnold. My second choice (I wanted Baker Mayfield). But I'm absolutely thrilled, regardless. :tup

 :hat
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: cramx3 on April 27, 2018, 01:27:58 PM
Darnold. My second choice (I wanted Baker Mayfield). But I'm absolutely thrilled, regardless. :tup

 :hat

It's going to be a fun next 5 years or hopefully more for both the Giants and Jets.  You know there will always be comparisons and the question of whether or not the Giants should have taken Darnold.  We'll find out in a few years, but that discussion will last a lifetime
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on April 27, 2018, 06:22:07 PM
The Eagles just owned the Cowboys, and it was glorious.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: axeman90210 on April 27, 2018, 06:40:26 PM
Interesting article on 538 about drafting Barkley at #2 overall (written before the draft).

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/heres-why-drafting-saquon-barkley-could-be-a-mistake/
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: KevShmev on April 28, 2018, 07:39:23 AM
The Eagles just owned the Cowboys, and it was glorious.

David Akers is now a legend in Philly.  That was savage, and I loved it. :metal :metal
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: El Barto on April 28, 2018, 10:23:05 AM
The Eagles just owned the Cowboys, and it was glorious.

David Akers is now a legend in Philly.  That was savage, and I loved it. :metal :metal
Yeah, I admire the man's enthusiasm. It's been done before, Drew Pearson did it last year, but they picked the right man for the job who'd go out and enjoy every second of it. Good job.

Of course the problem is that while he's doing it he's standing directly under this (https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsaturdayblitz.com%2Ffiles%2F2013%2F03%2F6612046.jpg&c=sc&w=850&h=560).
The Cowboys don't hang division and conference championship banners.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 03, 2018, 07:47:57 AM
Witten to the MNF broadcast booth has been made official. This means that there is a former Dallas Cowboy on  3 of the 4 networks' number 1 teams.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Draft
Post by: cramx3 on May 03, 2018, 08:43:19 AM
Witten to the MNF broadcast booth has been made official. This means that there is a former Dallas Cowboy on  3 of the 4 networks' number 1 teams.

merica's team
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: KevShmev on May 03, 2018, 05:05:29 PM
The media's love and infatuation with anything Dallas Cowboys is why Witten will probably make the Hall of Fame right away, instead of being a borderline guy, which is what he is.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: TAC on May 08, 2018, 08:39:31 AM
I thought this was funny. Love the Ghost pic and reference.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/twitter-roasts-brady-for-met-gala-outfit/ar-AAwV0IT?li=BBnba9I
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: pg1067 on May 08, 2018, 09:35:30 AM
I thought this was funny. Love the Ghost pic and reference.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/twitter-roasts-brady-for-met-gala-outfit/ar-AAwV0IT?li=BBnba9I

How could it be the "Met Gala" without Benny Agbayani?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 08, 2018, 02:11:24 PM
Mark Ingram suspended for the first four games of the season. Hopefully Kamara doesn't get hurt trying to do too much during that stretch.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: Dublagent66 on May 08, 2018, 03:53:50 PM
The media's love and infatuation with anything Dallas Cowboys is why Witten will probably make the Hall of Fame right away, instead of being a borderline guy, which is what he is.

Uh oh!  Skip Bayless just went rogue and hacked Kev's account.  :rollin

I can't believe you're really saying that about one of the best TE's to ever play the game.  You're punkin' on him just cause he played for Dallas.  Pretty weak.  JW is a HoF caliber guy even if he was playing for the Browns.  Plus, he's one of the most likable guys in the league, so your media comment makes no sense either.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: pg1067 on May 08, 2018, 05:05:43 PM
The media's love and infatuation with anything Dallas Cowboys is why Witten will probably make the Hall of Fame right away, instead of being a borderline guy, which is what he is.

Borderline?

Who's better?

Witten is #2 among tight ends (behind ToGo) on the all time receptions and receiving yards lists and #5 (behind ToGo, Gates, Gronk and Graham) on the touchdown receptions list (and he's 4th all time in receptions regardless of position).  In 15 NFL seasons, he was an 11 time Pro Bowler and was a first or second team All-Pro four times.  If those aren't HoF credentials, I don't know what are.

The tight ends currently in the HoF are Dave Casper, Mike Ditka, John Mackey, Ozzie Newsome, Charlie Sanders, Shannon Sharpe, Jackie Smith and Kellen Winslow.  The careers of Ditka, Mackey, Sanders and Smith were over (or almost over) before I started following football, but Witten's career is unquestionably favorable in comparison to those of Casper, Newsome, Sharpe and Winslow.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: cramx3 on May 08, 2018, 05:10:10 PM
He never won anything, I think that's why he's borderline, but makes the cut IMO. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: KevShmev on May 08, 2018, 08:53:51 PM
You can't compare stats from tight ends across generations, considering how much passing numbers have gone up in the last 20 years.

I don't put stock in pro bowls made, so let's focus on just the All-Pro selections.  Witten was first or second All-Pro four times in 15 years.  That's it?  In the last 15 years, that puts him behind Tony Gonzalez, Gronk and Antonio Gates. 

68 touchdown catches in 15 years?  Sorry, but a TE averaging less than 5 touchdowns a season is not a no-brain HOFer in my book.  Sure, he had a lot of catches, but that says more about his durability than anything else.

He is kind of like the TE equivalent of Jerome Bettis: a compiler who put up really good numbers overall because he played for so long, but was never really in the "best in the league" conversation.

Like I said, I think he is a borderline guy and I'd probably put him in eventually, but this talk of him being a first ballot guy just doesn't make sense, to me anyway.  I could be wrong. :biggrin: :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: El Barto on May 09, 2018, 08:16:50 AM
Like I said, I think he is a borderline guy and I'd probably put him in eventually, but this talk of him being a first ballot guy just doesn't make sense, to me anyway.  I could be wrong. :biggrin: :lol
I think you are, as was said, dumping on him for playing for the Cowboys, but at the end of the day I think isn't too far off the mark. The question isn't whether or not he gets in, he does, but whether he deserves to get in on his first shot. I suspect he doesn't.

And as we saw from some of the comments here, ask people from NY and Phi what they think of the guy. He might not have put up Gonzalez numbers, but he definitely won games for his team.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: Stadler on May 09, 2018, 08:17:52 AM
Kinda with Kev on this one.   I'm also stealing that word "compiler".  You see that in baseball.   I feel like Cal Ripken, Jr. is the paradigm of a "compiler".   
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: pg1067 on May 09, 2018, 11:10:40 AM
There are only Hall of Famers.  There's no distinction between a "first ballot" guy and someone who took a while to get in.

He certainly wasn't the best tight end ever and maybe was never the best tight end any year he played, but dude is unquestionably a HoF'er.  The fact that he played at the same time as four other guys who are also HoF'ers doesn't change that.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: El Barto on May 09, 2018, 12:28:14 PM
There are only Hall of Famers.  There's no distinction between a "first ballot" guy and someone who took a while to get in.

He certainly wasn't the best tight end ever and maybe was never the best tight end any year he played, but dude is unquestionably a HoF'er.  The fact that he played at the same time as four other guys who are also HoF'ers doesn't change that.
I read an article about this very thing last week. Among the voting members there's a very solid difference of opinion on that. To the tune of about 50/50. Some view it as you do. Others think there's a very specific honor to being first balloter and will vote accordingly to make you wait if they find you unworthy of that honor.

They're also split on Witten in that regard.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: Stadler on May 09, 2018, 12:31:57 PM
Yeah, I'm with el Barto on this one (or at least his point).  "First ballot" is a thing.   
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: cramx3 on May 09, 2018, 12:52:20 PM
I always thought first ballot meant a little higher honor than just HOF.  To me, it means something.  It means there was little to no doubt you were HOF worthy.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: TAC on May 09, 2018, 01:05:34 PM
It means some douche makes a conscious decision not to vote for a worthy candidate just because.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: El Barto on May 09, 2018, 03:37:09 PM
It means some douche makes a conscious decision not to vote for a worthy candidate just because.
Yeah, in principle I'm inclined to agree. It should mean something to us, the outsiders. It shouldn't mean anything to the people who actually do the voting. "Here are 15 names. Pick five." The only exception I'd see is making somebody wait a year because they were a dick. TO and Charles Hayley both deserved to get in, I think everybody recognized that, but making them wait a bit didn't bother me to much under the circumstances.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: pg1067 on May 09, 2018, 03:58:47 PM
There are only Hall of Famers.  There's no distinction between a "first ballot" guy and someone who took a while to get in.

He certainly wasn't the best tight end ever and maybe was never the best tight end any year he played, but dude is unquestionably a HoF'er.  The fact that he played at the same time as four other guys who are also HoF'ers doesn't change that.
I read an article about this very thing last week. Among the voting members there's a very solid difference of opinion on that. To the tune of about 50/50. Some view it as you do. Others think there's a very specific honor to being first balloter and will vote accordingly to make you wait if they find you unworthy of that honor.

They're also split on Witten in that regard.

Well...I don't vote, so my take on it ultimately doesn't matter.  I think it's probably also a little different in the NFL where I believe the number of persons one can vote for is severely restricted.  Certainly, if you can only vote for seven players and there are ten eligible players one thinks are worthy, then some prioritizing needs to happen.


It means some douche makes a conscious decision not to vote for a worthy candidate just because.

This is the other side of the coin, if there are only six players that a given voter believes are worthy and that voter doesn't vote for Billy Joe Jim Bob because the voter doesn't think BJJB is a "first-ballot Hall of Famer," then I'd agree that the voter is being a dick.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: black_biff_stadler on May 10, 2018, 07:43:16 AM
If Cam Newton married Todd Gurley, his new name would sound like the online handle of some 20 year old girl with her own pay site.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: Stadler on May 10, 2018, 09:05:03 AM
If Cam Newton married Todd Gurley, his new name would sound like the online handle of some 20 year old girl with her own pay site.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hobbies


(I'm just kidding with you!  :))
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: El Barto on May 10, 2018, 09:39:01 AM
Booger McFarland? Seriously? Why don't' they just pair him with Lewis Bile, Steven Smegma and Willie 'Dingle-berry' McNeil?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 10, 2018, 12:49:24 PM
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23453136/cleveland-browns-nfl-playoff-wild-card-sleepers-2018
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: Dream Team on May 16, 2018, 01:22:10 PM
Oh yay, the degenerates got their way and legalized gambling. Now instead of just worrying about the refs and the league being in on the fix I have to worry about the players keeping their integrity. There are gonna be offers too big to turn down.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: Stadler on May 16, 2018, 01:37:54 PM
Oh yay, the degenerates got their way and legalized gambling. Now instead of just worrying about the refs and the league being in on the fix I have to worry about the players keeping their integrity. There are gonna be offers too big to turn down.

I've gone back and forth on this point.  But honestly?   I'm at the point now that I think if they were going to be on the take, they were already.  That NBA ref?  Remember him?  Pete Rose?  I have a friend who is a very big wig at a casino near me, and seeing how they operate, I can't help but thinking that the legalization is going to do more to drive out the kind of people that would shake down a player or ref than it is going to invite more of that.  Why gamble with a guy running a book out of his car when you can stroll into Foxwoods Casino, have a meal at Cedar's Steakhouse and Oyster Bar, and put $500 on the Patriots to cover the spread Sunday.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: cramx3 on May 16, 2018, 01:46:00 PM
I'm not sure how much it changes things with regards to the professional players.  The incentive has always been there and some have done it without legalization.  I'm not really sure the incentive is that good for a player though.  They already make a lot of money.  I worry more about the collegiate level, but we'll see.  I'm not going be upset unless this turns into a problem.  Also labelling anyone who would want to gamble a degenerate is a bit rough.  I'm not a gambler, but I have bet on a few games before when I was in Vegas.  I don't think I am a degenerate.  I could see myself doing the same if I go down to AC.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: KevShmev on May 16, 2018, 07:35:46 PM
I'm not sure how much it changes things with regards to the professional players.  The incentive has always been there and some have done it without legalization.  I'm not really sure the incentive is that good for a player though.  They already make a lot of money.  I worry more about the collegiate level, but we'll see.  I'm not going be upset unless this turns into a problem.  Also labelling anyone who would want to gamble a degenerate is a bit rough.  I'm not a gambler, but I have bet on a few games before when I was in Vegas.  I don't think I am a degenerate. I could see myself doing the same if I go down to AC.

Agreed.  Aside from fantasy football, I have not bet on football since the late 90s, with the exception of one game (I bet $50 on NE over Seattle in the SB a few years back, it was a pick 'em), but I simply stopped betting because I would only bet $25-50 on a few games per week, and if I lost, I was bummed about losing x-amount of money, and if I won, the little money I won wasn't worth the stress. :lol :lol

Honestly, I think legalizing gambling will just make it easier for pre-existing gamblers to gamble.  I doubt a lot of non-gamblers are suddenly going to turn into one.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: kingshmegland on May 16, 2018, 08:05:20 PM
I would say a high percentage will not do it the legal way for tax purposes.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: cramx3 on May 17, 2018, 07:58:58 AM
I'm not sure how much it changes things with regards to the professional players.  The incentive has always been there and some have done it without legalization.  I'm not really sure the incentive is that good for a player though.  They already make a lot of money.  I worry more about the collegiate level, but we'll see.  I'm not going be upset unless this turns into a problem.  Also labelling anyone who would want to gamble a degenerate is a bit rough.  I'm not a gambler, but I have bet on a few games before when I was in Vegas.  I don't think I am a degenerate. I could see myself doing the same if I go down to AC.

Agreed.  Aside from fantasy football, I have not bet on football since the late 90s, with the exception of one game (I bet $50 on NE over Seattle in the SB a few years back, it was a pick 'em), but I simply stopped betting because I would only bet $25-50 on a few games per week, and if I lost, I was bummed about losing x-amount of money, and if I won, the little money I won wasn't worth the stress. :lol :lol

I've twice gone to Vegas on football weekends where both the Giants and PSU played.  My teams, and I bet on them and won both times.  I should parlay that next time I am out there.  I know people say don't bet on your teams, but I don't typically bet.  It was more of a situation where I was going to watch those games anyway so putting some money while in Vegas just added a little bit more fun to the atmosphere.  And I must say, the atmosphere in a sports book in a big casino on game day is quite fun.  Either way, I definitely remember some guys in the area who I talked to and would probably think of as "degenerate gambler" but there were plenty of others just like myself having a one off good time experience. 

Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: KevShmev on May 17, 2018, 07:02:49 PM
Some of the older football fans here might remember the Chargers run to the Super Bowl in 1994.

Well, in the divisional round, their game vs Miami was the last of the four, and since the home team won and covered the first three and all three games went over the totals, I decided to be clever and bet the road team (Miami +2), the under (45) and then parlay it as well. 

Final score: Chargers 22, Miami 21

And Miami missed a long FG at the end that would have won it.  I was yelling miss it at the TV like you wouldn't believe (since a 24-22 final would have killed both my under and parlay bets).  :biggrin: :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: Rattlehead on May 17, 2018, 08:35:08 PM
So how much did you end up winning?  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 18, 2018, 04:52:00 AM
Some of the older football fans here might remember the Chargers run to the Super Bowl in 1994.

Well, in the divisional round, their game vs Miami was the last of the four, and since the home team won and covered the first three and all three games went over the totals, I decided to be clever and bet the road team (Miami +2), the under (45) and then parlay it as well. 

Final score: Chargers 22, Miami 21

And Miami missed a long FG at the end that would have won it.  I was yelling miss it at the TV like you wouldn't believe (since a 24-22 final would have killed both my under and parlay bets).  :biggrin: :lol :lol

That's awesome! I remember the game, but was too young to appreciate it from a betting man's perspective.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on May 21, 2018, 12:24:07 PM
this is not the first time he's missed the first voluntary practices which is all about weight lifting goes against everything he does it is TB12 method. This is no surprise. When we get to the mandatory and they actually start throwing and he's not there, then I worry.
Phase three of the OTAs begins today, where O and D line up against each other and run some plays. This is when a QB gets to throw to his receivers and build some chemistry. Considering how important that chemistry is to Brady, not being there for this aspect is troubling. As great as he is he's not one that can just plug in a new receiver and start hitting him. Aside from the youngsters they've picked up, he's got Patterson, Britt, and Matthews, as well as Dorsette who he still hasn't really connected with. Dude should fucking well be there, mandatory or not. Team captain? Really?

God damn I wish they'd kept Garopollo. I'd really like to see this team moving forward, and it just doesn't seem to be happening.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: busty sinclair on May 21, 2018, 01:32:45 PM
Some of the older football fans here might remember the Chargers run to the Super Bowl in 1994.

Well, in the divisional round, their game vs Miami was the last of the four, and since the home team won and covered the first three and all three games went over the totals, I decided to be clever and bet the road team (Miami +2), the under (45) and then parlay it as well. 

Final score: Chargers 22, Miami 21

And Miami missed a long FG at the end that would have won it.  I was yelling miss it at the TV like you wouldn't believe (since a 24-22 final would have killed both my under and parlay bets).  :biggrin: :lol :lol

That's awesome! I remember the game, but was too young to appreciate it from a betting man's perspective.

DUDE i was at that game!! i was just a kid but that season and that game in particular made me a chargers fan for life!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: kingshmegland on May 21, 2018, 01:54:09 PM
this is not the first time he's missed the first voluntary practices which is all about weight lifting goes against everything he does it is TB12 method. This is no surprise. When we get to the mandatory and they actually start throwing and he's not there, then I worry.
Phase three of the OTAs begins today, where O and D line up against each other and run some plays. This is when a QB gets to throw to his receivers and build some chemistry. Considering how important that chemistry is to Brady, not being there for this aspect is troubling. As great as he is he's not one that can just plug in a new receiver and start hitting him. Aside from the youngsters they've picked up, he's got Patterson, Britt, and Matthews, as well as Dorsette who he still hasn't really connected with. Dude should fucking well be there, mandatory or not. Team captain? Really?

God damn I wish they'd kept Garopollo. I'd really like to see this team moving forward, and it just doesn't seem to be happening.

I'm still not worried. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
Post by: El Barto on May 21, 2018, 03:09:15 PM
this is not the first time he's missed the first voluntary practices which is all about weight lifting goes against everything he does it is TB12 method. This is no surprise. When we get to the mandatory and they actually start throwing and he's not there, then I worry.
Phase three of the OTAs begins today, where O and D line up against each other and run some plays. This is when a QB gets to throw to his receivers and build some chemistry. Considering how important that chemistry is to Brady, not being there for this aspect is troubling. As great as he is he's not one that can just plug in a new receiver and start hitting him. Aside from the youngsters they've picked up, he's got Patterson, Britt, and Matthews, as well as Dorsette who he still hasn't really connected with. Dude should fucking well be there, mandatory or not. Team captain? Really?

God damn I wish they'd kept Garopollo. I'd really like to see this team moving forward, and it just doesn't seem to be happening.

I'm still not worried.
I'm more disappointed than worried. He and Gronk are both looking to me pretty childish.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: kingshmegland on May 21, 2018, 03:16:48 PM
That I agree with.  The problem with this team is you never know the behind the scenes meetings. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: TAC on May 21, 2018, 03:33:18 PM
The report is that Gronk can't renew his contract until the 24th. He'll be in after that. Remember there was a Gronk summit a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: kingshmegland on May 21, 2018, 05:01:56 PM
Gronk summit.  On Shaq's shoulders.   :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: El Barto on May 21, 2018, 05:07:16 PM
He's still under contract, is he not? Him skipping out is a little less concerning, he doens't need to develop timing with TB, but he should still demonstrate a bit of loyalty. Honestly, it's their attitudes that bug me. They just stick out as two guys really looking to rock the boat a bit.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: pg1067 on May 21, 2018, 05:19:20 PM
Why are these things labeled "voluntary" if folks are going to get bent out of shape when folks skip them?  If they're really "voluntary," then skipping them shouldn't be an issue, and if skipping them is a problem, then stop calling them "voluntary."

There...I feel better now.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: kingshmegland on May 21, 2018, 05:24:14 PM
Gronk is upset because it was incentive laced contract.  So he has a guy to keep him on the field (Guerrero) so that affects his bottom line so he wants the contract restructured.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: El Barto on May 21, 2018, 06:50:46 PM
Why are these things labeled "voluntary" if folks are going to get bent out of shape when folks skip them?  If they're really "voluntary," then skipping them shouldn't be an issue, and if skipping them is a problem, then stop calling them "voluntary."

There...I feel better now.
Even though they're voluntary TB was generally an active participant. For most of his pro career he's been the poster child for dedication. He was the guy that's show up at the training facility at 0500 and start studying game film. He's also been pretty outspoken about how beneficial this phase of OTA is. In the past he was a big fan of them. Over the last six months we've been hearing more and more about a power struggle going on, and this is when he decides to do his own thing. So it's not really about him missing the end of the OTA. It's about the message he's clearly trying to send. I get the message and I think it sucks.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: TAC on May 21, 2018, 06:54:54 PM
If this was a QB in any other city, we'd be killing him.

Brady's slack with the fans is running out though. The fact that he coerced Kraft into ordering a Code Red on Jimmy G, you'd think he'd at least be respectful of Kraft here.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: Nick on May 21, 2018, 08:38:57 PM
Looks like the Niners caught a huge break in the Foster situation. Not just in that it looks like he is, at least mostly, innocent, but in that pushing him to the side while the legalities played out seemed to be the right call. Still aspects of the story I find unsettling, and I hope that there isn't some bigger cover up going on at this point, but things are looking better on that front.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: kingshmegland on May 21, 2018, 09:08:33 PM
If this was a QB in any other city, we'd be killing him.

Brady's slack with the fans is running out though. The fact that he coerced Kraft into ordering a Code Red on Jimmy G, you'd think he'd at least be respectful of Kraft here.

No it's not. Only the nuts calling sports radio say this. I hear most fans siding with Brady.  Why? Because fans question Belichick on the Butler benching.   

If Butler didn't play 98% of the plays durring the season people wouldn't have this doubt.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: El Barto on May 21, 2018, 10:11:45 PM
If this was a QB in any other city, we'd be killing him.

Brady's slack with the fans is running out though. The fact that he coerced Kraft into ordering a Code Red on Jimmy G, you'd think he'd at least be respectful of Kraft here.

No it's not. Only the nuts calling sports radio say this. I hear most fans siding with Brady.  Why? Because fans question Belichick on the Butler benching.   

If Butler didn't play 98% of the plays durring the season people wouldn't have this doubt.
Siding with the QB for being butthurt about a decision from last season? It shouldn't matter what anybody thinks of that decision. Is's the 2018 season. Act like a fucking professional. Or, lobby to become the next head coach. Either way if fine with me. But he's looking like a real jackass to me right now.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: kingshmegland on May 22, 2018, 04:20:15 AM
Both sides are at fault here but people have now questioned the coach because there has been no answer to why Butler was benched. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: KevShmev on May 22, 2018, 05:36:44 AM
I say, too bad. How many great decisions has Belichick made over the years that helped them win? More than we count. But now that he made one that didn’t, some are gonna throw a fit? Come on, now. It’s over. Move on.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: TAC on May 22, 2018, 07:10:58 AM
The thing is, I think looking at it through Brady's eyes, he looks at Guerrero as a necessary piece of his preparation, which in turn, benefits the team.

Brady has shown his teams what it means to be coachable, and by also taking hometown discounts to benefit the team. Brady likely views Guerrero's restriction as ultimately detrimental to the team via Brady's performance. And with the Butler benching, it can only make Brady more suspicious.

He is obviously openly rebelling against his coach.


If this was a QB in any other city, we'd be killing him.

Brady's slack with the fans is running out though. The fact that he coerced Kraft into ordering a Code Red on Jimmy G, you'd think he'd at least be respectful of Kraft here.

No it's not. Only the nuts calling sports radio say this. I hear most fans siding with Brady.  Why? Because fans question Belichick on the Butler benching.   

If Butler didn't play 98% of the plays durring the season people wouldn't have this doubt.

You hang with a bunch of yahoos.  ;D
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: kingshmegland on May 22, 2018, 07:17:01 AM
 :lol

I personally think Guerrero was interfering with the staff and players were following his directives and that's when BB had enough.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: TAC on May 22, 2018, 07:18:44 AM
I personally think Guerrero was interfering with the staff and players were following his directives and that's when BB had enough.


Oh, I totally agree. You can see why Belichick put the hammer down. It's a tough situation.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 22, 2018, 07:24:16 AM
Ah, when your biggest worry as a Pats fan is Brady missing OTAs, must be nice.  :lol

Meanwhile in Pittsburgh, we are wondering if our RB will show up for the first game of the year or not.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: kingshmegland on May 22, 2018, 07:37:54 AM
Ah, when your biggest worry as a Pats fan is Brady missing OTAs, must be nice.  :lol

Meanwhile in Pittsburgh, we are wondering if our RB will show up for the first game of the year or not.

 :lol  Seriously and Big Ben going off in public about the Steelers picking a QB in the draft and a receiver using Facebook live at the most inopportune time....
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 22, 2018, 08:00:12 AM
:lol  Seriously and Big Ben going off in public about the Steelers picking a QB in the draft and a receiver using Facebook live at the most inopportune time....

Eh, I actually see where Ben was coming from with that. He realizes they have a shot to win another Super Bowl before he retires if they fill in the gaps, instead they use a pick on a QB. Meanwhile his D will still suck next year...
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: kingshmegland on May 22, 2018, 08:09:19 AM
There was all this talk that the Pats needed to Draft a QB while others were saying what you said, draft for Brady's last few years to give them a chance to win one more.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 22, 2018, 08:15:10 AM
There was all this talk that the Pats needed to Draft a QB while others were saying what you said, draft for Brady's last few years to give them a chance to win one more.

Yeah, and I guess there's an argument to be made for both sides and it's probably situational.

For the Steelers and the Pats right now, they aren't picking near the top of the draft so the likelihood of them getting some stud QB that will be able to start and actually be good is slim. I'd rather those teams fill in the gaps while they have good QBs still and then suck for a couple years and get to draft high.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: Nick on May 22, 2018, 08:18:03 AM
There was all this talk that the Pats needed to Draft a QB while others were saying what you said, draft for Brady's last few years to give them a chance to win one more.

Why draft a QB when they have that really good kid waiting to take over? OH WAIT. :D
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: El Barto on May 22, 2018, 08:42:49 AM
Ah, when your biggest worry as a Pats fan is Brady missing OTAs, must be nice.  :lol

Meanwhile in Pittsburgh, we are wondering if our RB will show up for the first game of the year or not.
Damn, is it football season already?

Figured you guys were used to this by now.


If TB thinks the Guerrero thing is hurting the team, this is how he handles it? Spite much?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: TAC on May 22, 2018, 08:47:31 AM
If TB thinks the Guerrero thing is hurting the team, this is how he handles it? Spite much?

You know, we kill athletes for stuff like this. Brady definitely does come off as thinking he's "above it all".

Will be interesting to see what happens when mandatory camps start.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: El Barto on May 22, 2018, 08:51:44 AM
If TB thinks the Guerrero thing is hurting the team, this is how he handles it? Spite much?

You know, we kill athletes for stuff like this. Brady definitely does come off as thinking he's "above it all".

Will be interesting to see what happens when mandatory camps start.
He'll absolutely be at the mandatory practices. He still has an image to protect. He's making a statement now, and when the time comes he'll play football like he always has. At the same time, he's opened the door for endless speculation, and that's all on him. If he gets injured early: "well, it might have to do with all the conditioning he skipped." If he sucks: "He should have spent more time working with his receivers." If the lockerroom falls apart: "he should have been the team leader he always was." Right or wrong the second-guessing will be there, and that's 100% on him. He'll deserve it.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: TAC on May 22, 2018, 08:53:43 AM
Yes, totally, Bart.

A lot of people thought he'd be here this week.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 22, 2018, 08:54:40 AM
Ah, when your biggest worry as a Pats fan is Brady missing OTAs, must be nice.  :lol

Meanwhile in Pittsburgh, we are wondering if our RB will show up for the first game of the year or not.
Figured you guys were used to this by now.

General comment or directed at me and Steelers fans? Personally, I don't care if Bell doesn't show up till the season begins, the question is whether he'll show up for the start of the regular season or not. Once again, personally, I don't much care. I don't think the Steelers should have tagged him again anyway.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: El Barto on May 22, 2018, 09:00:53 AM
Ah, when your biggest worry as a Pats fan is Brady missing OTAs, must be nice.  :lol

Meanwhile in Pittsburgh, we are wondering if our RB will show up for the first game of the year or not.
Figured you guys were used to this by now.

General comment or directed at me and Steelers fans? Personally, I don't care if Bell doesn't show up till the season begins, the question is whether he'll show up for the start of the regular season or not. Once again, personally, I don't much care. I don't think the Steelers should have tagged him again anyway.
Just seems to me like Bell is a holdout threat every season.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: kingshmegland on May 22, 2018, 09:02:07 AM
There was all this talk that the Pats needed to Draft a QB while others were saying what you said, draft for Brady's last few years to give them a chance to win one more.

Why draft a QB when they have that really good kid waiting to take over? OH WAIT. :D

You're Welcome.

They couldn't keep both.  As you saw what Jimmy G was paid.  The Pats should have traded him last off season for a bigger return.  Obviously BB didn't want to let him go.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 22, 2018, 09:03:59 AM
Just seems to me like Bell is a holdout threat every season.

He is. And I think I've ranted about this here before, so I'll hold back but I'd definitely prefer it if Bell weren't a Steeler anymore for a variety of reasons.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: kingshmegland on May 22, 2018, 09:09:25 AM
If TB thinks the Guerrero thing is hurting the team, this is how he handles it? Spite much?

You know, we kill athletes for stuff like this. Brady definitely does come off as thinking he's "above it all".

Will be interesting to see what happens when mandatory camps start.
He'll absolutely be at the mandatory practices. He still has an image to protect. He's making a statement now, and when the time comes he'll play football like he always has. At the same time, he's opened the door for endless speculation, and that's all on him. If he gets injured early: "well, it might have to do with all the conditioning he skipped." If he sucks: "He should have spent more time working with his receivers." If the lockerroom falls apart: "he should have been the team leader he always was." Right or wrong the second-guessing will be there, and that's 100% on him. He'll deserve it.

Brady has all the power to act this way now since the threat of a back up like Jimmy G is gone.  Now that he's done this he'd better perform on the field like he has the last 4 years or he'll get slaughters by the media and fans here.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: El Barto on May 22, 2018, 09:29:54 AM
There was all this talk that the Pats needed to Draft a QB while others were saying what you said, draft for Brady's last few years to give them a chance to win one more.

Why draft a QB when they have that really good kid waiting to take over? OH WAIT. :D

You're Welcome.

They couldn't keep both.  As you saw what Jimmy G was paid.  The Pats should have traded him last off season for a bigger return.  Obviously BB didn't want to let him go.
If Bill really thought he was the QB of the future he should have kept him and given him Brady's money. My hunch is that was the plan all along. If so, Brady and Kraft really screwed things up.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: TAC on May 22, 2018, 09:32:36 AM
If Bill really thought he was the QB of the future he should have kept him and given him Brady's money. My hunch is that was the plan all along. If so, Brady and Kraft really screwed things up.

Well, yeah. Pretty much.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: kingshmegland on May 22, 2018, 09:33:53 AM
Oh no doubt.  Though look at the level Brady has played.  Can you think of another QB that got traded or became a free agent that played at this level?  Even Montana was injured the year before he went to KC.  This is uncharted waters right now.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 22, 2018, 12:11:08 PM
I thought maybe we can pass the time with some Mount Rushmores. The previous user posts the team. You post your top 4 people (players/coach/owner/etc) for that team, and anything else (honorable mention, personal favorites, team specific memory. Etc). Afterwards, you pick the franchise for the next person to tackle.

Instead... let's do 32 teams in 32 days!


I'll start with the Buffalo Bills

Mount Rushmore - Bruce Smith, OJ Simpson, Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas

My personal favorite Bill of all time, Andre Reed.

Favorite Bills game.... the Comeback!


Talk all things Bills!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread
Post by: kingshmegland on May 22, 2018, 12:20:21 PM
DOC.  From my trip to Buffalo last year.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/550x300q90/923/9c9e0Y.jpg) (http://imageshack.com/f/pn9c9e0Yj)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/550x300q90/922/wOTeE1.jpg) (http://imageshack.com/f/pmwOTeE1j)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 22, 2018, 12:29:50 PM
That's awesome. How did the fans treat ya? I'm sure there are good and bad home fans in every NFL stadium.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread
Post by: kingshmegland on May 22, 2018, 12:34:38 PM
I had a blast there.  At first they'd boo you, but you go up to them, talk, have fun and they opened up.  I saw 3 tables broken by the Bill's Mafia, 3 arrests, one for punching a police horse.  LOL  I had my fun razzing them, they'd razz back in good natured fun. I absolutely loved going there.  It was 25 years since the last time I went there.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 22, 2018, 12:37:28 PM
25 years..... so in the midst of their 4 year run and coming into the beginning of the Bledsoe era. Bet Bills fans felt sorry for you back then.  5 SB Championships later, not so much.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread
Post by: kingshmegland on May 22, 2018, 12:40:38 PM
First year with Bledsoe.  Yeah, that was the last year they went to the Superbowl.  I still can't believe they went to 4 SB's in a row never to win.  That team was dynamite.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Buffalo Bills
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 22, 2018, 12:44:45 PM
The Bills' jerseys/helmet from that era are among my favorite in league history.

(http://www.thephillygodfather.com/images/article-images/BUFFBILLS%20old%20school.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Buffalo Bills
Post by: kingshmegland on May 22, 2018, 12:54:57 PM
I recently saw a sports doc on that bill team.  It was fun to remember. I even liked Marv Leavy as a coach.  Their GM though, I came to despise him when he went to another team.  Any guesses who that was?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: pg1067 on May 22, 2018, 02:36:20 PM
I'll start with the Buffalo Bills

Mount Rushmore - Bruce Smith, OJ Simpson, Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas

My personal favorite Bill of all time, Andre Reed.

I initially thought maybe OJ was the weak link here.  He didn't make the Bills 50th Anniversary Team, but I assume that was for non-football reasons and that he would've made it but for those reasons.  My gut made me think of Andre Reed, Joe DeLamielleure or even Steve Tasker over OJ.  I'd definitely put Marv Levy up there over OJ, but I suppose we're limiting it to players only.

But I then looked up OJ's stats.  His prime years were 1972-76.  During that five year stretch, he rushed for 7,699 yards.  Seems like a lot -- especially when you consider there were only 14 games in a season back then, so he did that in only 70 games.  On the other hand, that only works out to 110 yards per game, which doesn't sound like much until you realize that only Jim Brown averaged more than 100 yards per game (104.3 -- OJ averaged 83.2 yards per game over his career).  He had 1,513 carries in those five years, which works out to 5.09 yards per carry.  Michael Vick is the NFL's all-time leader in yards per carry (7.0), and OJ averaged 4.7 for his career (Marion Motley averaged 5.7, Jim Brown averaged 5.2, and Gale Sayers and Barry Sanders averaged 5.0).

All in all, I'll agree with your Mount Rushmore (although OJ's likeness should include mini likenesses of DeLamielleure and Reggie McKenzie).
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Buffalo Bills
Post by: jingle.boy on May 22, 2018, 06:03:27 PM
Favorite Bill... Conelius Bennet. Something about that dude I liked better than Smith.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: KevShmev on May 22, 2018, 07:03:04 PM
:lol  Seriously and Big Ben going off in public about the Steelers picking a QB in the draft and a receiver using Facebook live at the most inopportune time....

Eh, I actually see where Ben was coming from with that. He realizes they have a shot to win another Super Bowl before he retires if they fill in the gaps, instead they use a pick on a QB. Meanwhile his D will still suck next year...

Maybe Tomlin should do his job and coach up the defense for once...;)

I thought Ben's comment was out of bounds.  He has the tendency to get hurt, so drafting a guy kinda early makes it more likely that they have a good backup for when he misses a few games again.  Ben has always been a drama queen, though.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Buffalo Bills
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 23, 2018, 03:20:31 AM
Reports are that Hunter Henry may be out for the season. That sucks.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 23, 2018, 07:03:26 AM
Maybe Tomlin should do his job and coach up the defense for once...;)

I thought Ben's comment was out of bounds.  He has the tendency to get hurt, so drafting a guy kinda early makes it more likely that they have a good backup for when he misses a few games again.  Ben has always been a drama queen, though.

You know I'm not a big fan of Tomlin, but in his defense, you can only work with what you got.

On Ben - he used to push the boundaries, he's actually settled down over the last several years (got married has kids now) - at this point everything he says is calculated and often he says things just to mess with the media. The franchise QB can tongue and cheek comment about a draft pick, I'm good with that. Also - there's absolutely no reason to think this kid will come into a game in relief of an injury and perform any better than the backup(s) they have now.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Buffalo Bills
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 23, 2018, 09:22:39 AM
Day 2 - The Carolina Panthers

Things have been crazy since going 15-1 and making the Super Bowl.  Josh Norman wore out his welcome, and now, Jerry Richardson is selling his team.

My Panthers' Mount Rushmore would be Steve Smith Sr, Julius Peppers, Sam Mills, Cam Newton


I've always LOVED this team's look. Helmet, jerseys, alternates. It's all fantastic in my opinion.

Favorite Panthers related games.... I enjoyed the Steve Beuerlein led teams. Seem to recall him getting a big win @Green Bay in the cold when that used to be a tough accomplishment. Was also rooting for them to beat the Pats in SB 38.

(https://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/images/1995-carolina-panthers-sam-mills-3.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Buffalo Bills
Post by: busty sinclair on May 23, 2018, 10:08:33 AM
Reports are that Hunter Henry may be out for the season. That sucks.

 :sad:

one of my favorite chargers. he is supposed to get a second opinion so maybe he could make a comeback late in the season. fingers crossed. it looks like gates will be probably coming back now.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: Stadler on May 23, 2018, 01:35:51 PM
Favorite Panther:   Jake Delhomme

Least favorite Panther player in the history of the NFL:   Cam Newton

Greatest thing to have happened during a Panther game:   Cam playing like a fourth grader in Super Bowl L; Janet Jackson sharing one of her nipples with all of us during Super Bowl XXXVIII

I lived in Charlotte for about four years, and went to several games; BEAUTIFUL stadium, and very well laid out.   LOVED going there for games.   Like their uniforms and color scheme as well.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 23, 2018, 01:37:14 PM
Here's the owner's attempt to "fix" the national anthem situation -

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23582533/nfl-owners-approve-new-national-anthem-policy
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: pg1067 on May 23, 2018, 01:54:46 PM
Here's the owner's attempt to "fix" the national anthem situation -

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23582533/nfl-owners-approve-new-national-anthem-policy

Kneeling quietly is not the slightest bit "disrespectful" to the Anthem (or to any person or group of persons).  This new "policy" is beyond dumb.  The best way to "fix" the situation is to do nothing.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: kaos2900 on May 23, 2018, 01:55:25 PM
Here's the owner's attempt to "fix" the national anthem situation -

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23582533/nfl-owners-approve-new-national-anthem-policy

I have no problem with this. The rule is that if you're on the field for the anthem you show "proper respect" but it doesn't force you to be on the field. Also, it fines the teams not the individual. Makes sense.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: kaos2900 on May 23, 2018, 01:57:12 PM
Here's the owner's attempt to "fix" the national anthem situation -

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23582533/nfl-owners-approve-new-national-anthem-policy

Kneeling quietly is not the slightest bit "disrespectful" to the Anthem (or to any person or group of persons).  This new "policy" is beyond dumb.  The best way to "fix" the situation is to do nothing.

It may not be disrespectful to you but it's seen as disrespectful to a shit load of people. There are other ways to actually make a difference than kneeling.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 23, 2018, 01:58:28 PM
They have literally 6 other days a week to protest whatever they want and literally an entire off-season to do so as well. Kudos to the ones who are actually in the community helping bring real change. To the clowns that just kneeled in week 3 because their President called them out, I'm elated for this ruling.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: Stadler on May 23, 2018, 02:09:30 PM
Here's the owner's attempt to "fix" the national anthem situation -

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23582533/nfl-owners-approve-new-national-anthem-policy

Kneeling quietly is not the slightest bit "disrespectful" to the Anthem (or to any person or group of persons).  This new "policy" is beyond dumb.  The best way to "fix" the situation is to do nothing.

Let's remember those rules next time a prom kid uses a stereotype to ask his girl to the dance.   Or any of the 100 other examples of people being offended over everything from "racial slurs" to "it's Wednesday". 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: El Barto on May 23, 2018, 02:16:23 PM
Because how better to celebrate freedom than shutting up and doing as you're told.

The interesting thing to me will be if entire teams remain in the lockerroom. Aside form avoiding the circle-jerk and accompanying distraction, you get 5 more minutes of prep-time. I was hoping the league would go that route, but they chickened out. Moreover, this won't really appease the people who "WILL NEVER WATCH FOOTBALL AGAIN!" It's not the mandatory respect that they want, it only hides the problem, and it only came as a result of a perceived financial loss to the league.

Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: Nick on May 23, 2018, 02:44:13 PM
They have literally 6 other days a week to protest whatever they want and literally an entire off-season to do so as well. Kudos to the ones who are actually in the community helping bring real change. To the clowns that just kneeled in week 3 because their President called them out, I'm elated for this ruling.

Hey Rosa, I know you're not happy with the bussing situation, but could you perhaps protest at home where it doesn't have to bother any of us?

Because how better to celebrate freedom than shutting up and doing as you're told.

The interesting thing to me will be if entire teams remain in the lockerroom.

That is the best that could come of this decision.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: jingle.boy on May 23, 2018, 03:19:43 PM
As I said in FB, the fact that this is even an issue simply eats away at the ZERO FUCK'S I have for the NFL.

What a fucking gong-show.

Thank God I can count on EB to articulate my thoughts more poetically.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: kingshmegland on May 23, 2018, 03:30:35 PM
It's amazing to me that no other league (Including the NBA) have issues like the NFL.  Shit show from the owners to the league offices. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 23, 2018, 03:32:25 PM
They have literally 6 other days a week to protest whatever they want and literally an entire off-season to do so as well. Kudos to the ones who are actually in the community helping bring real change. To the clowns that just kneeled in week 3 because their President called them out, I'm elated for this ruling.

Hey Rosa, I know you're not happy with the bussing situation, but could you perhaps protest at home where it doesn't have to bother any of us?

I wasn't aware that Rosa Parks worked on that bus.

We're talking about employees protesting on company time.....
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: Stadler on May 23, 2018, 03:34:48 PM
They have literally 6 other days a week to protest whatever they want and literally an entire off-season to do so as well. Kudos to the ones who are actually in the community helping bring real change. To the clowns that just kneeled in week 3 because their President called them out, I'm elated for this ruling.

Hey Rosa, I know you're not happy with the bussing situation, but could you perhaps protest at home where it doesn't have to bother any of us?

Not at all the same thing. 

More like "Hey Rosa, I know you're not happy with, uh, something, so in order to bring the consequences to your actions back in line with those actions, and to minimize the egregious consequences to those of us that aren't party to your protest of, uh, I know you told us, but it's not entirely clear, we're going to give you an opportunity to speak your piece in a way that minimizes the bullying - inadvertent or otherwise - and more directly focuses the type and degree of the consequences for your speech. Thank you."
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: Stadler on May 23, 2018, 03:43:32 PM
It's amazing to me that no other league (Including the NBA) have issues like the NFL.  Shit show from the owners to the league offices.

No other league has Roger Goodell, Jerry Jones, and Dan Snyder.

Seriously, though, the NFL brings in 50% more revenue than baseball, and more revenue than basketball, hockey, soccer, and the CFL combined.  TV revenue is more than DOUBLE ALL the other big time sports combined.    Their average attendance is more than double the next closest (baseball).   Six of the top ten franchises in the US are football clubs, including number one, the Dallas Cowboys.

Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: kingshmegland on May 23, 2018, 03:45:43 PM
It's amazing to me that no other league (Including the NBA) have issues like the NFL.  Shit show from the owners to the league offices.

No other league has Roger Goodell, Jerry Jones, and Dan Snyder.

Seriously, though, the NFL brings in 50% more revenue than baseball, and more revenue than basketball, hockey, soccer, and the CFL combined.  TV revenue is more than DOUBLE ALL the other big time sports combined.    Their average attendance is more than double the next closest (baseball).   Six of the top ten franchises in the US are football clubs, including number one, the Dallas Cowboys.

And there is your answer.  They can fuck up all the time and it doesn't matter.  I would rather have my politics separate from my sports but the owners and the league office can do that.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: El Barto on May 23, 2018, 03:51:35 PM
They have literally 6 other days a week to protest whatever they want and literally an entire off-season to do so as well. Kudos to the ones who are actually in the community helping bring real change. To the clowns that just kneeled in week 3 because their President called them out, I'm elated for this ruling.

Hey Rosa, I know you're not happy with the bussing situation, but could you perhaps protest at home where it doesn't have to bother any of us?

Not at all the same thing. 

More like "Hey Rosa, I know you're not happy with, uh, something, so in order to bring the consequences to your actions back in line with those actions, and to minimize the egregious consequences to those of us that aren't party to your protest of, uh, I know you told us, but it's not entirely clear, we're going to give you an opportunity to speak your piece in a way that minimizes the bullying - inadvertent or otherwise - and more directly focuses the type and degree of the consequences for your speech. Thank you."
Hey, wait, it's Kap and the like that are bullying here? No shit? The Goddamned president called for them to be fired if they didn't toe the line like good little Americans. People are boycotting the sport because it's not nationalistic enough. There's apparently evidence of collusion against the protesters now. I don't now. I don't feel bullied by a guy kneeling while I suffer through some pointless pageantry.

Also, the egregious consequences you refer are more like "Damn, Rosa, you're really making us look bad. We don't want to get involved, but there are a ton of people angry at us for not taking you out and hanging you. Maybe could you just stay home and leave us out of it?"
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: kingshmegland on May 23, 2018, 03:55:59 PM
Pointless pageantry El Barto that the league received money from our government for and then had to stop taking the money after the outcry. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: pg1067 on May 23, 2018, 05:24:01 PM
Whether something is disrespectful and whether it is interpreted by a biased observer as such are very different things.  Lots of folks think kneeling is more respectful than standing.

I happen to think that this is a dumb way to protest what is being protested -- among other things because it would have been obvious to anyone with a shred of brain capacity that this particular manner of protest had far more likelihood to offend people than it did to do any good -- but the NFL's reaction to this is even dumber.  Yes, the players are employees protesting on company time, but it's not like they're calling timeouts in the middle of games so that they can drag banners onto the field.  All they're doing is choosing one body posture over another during a time when they're not actually performing their job duties.  Can you imagine any other (non-military) employer trying to compel its employees to assume a particular body posture in reverence of a flag or any other symbol and then fining those employees who choose to adopt a different body posture?  It's utterly ridiculous, and it's even more ridiculous that the NFL thinks it can force this on the players without collective bargaining in the guise of "game operations."
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: KevShmev on May 23, 2018, 06:24:57 PM
The NBA has basically had the same rule for decades.  I know this is a bigger deal because of the last two years, but an employer expecting an employee to not do something that they makes them look bad is not unheard of.  In fact, just about any employer will frown greatly on anything that makes them look bad.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: El Barto on May 23, 2018, 06:32:53 PM
Image is important.
(https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/i/streams/2012/September/120906/524259-120906-biz-getting-fired-fast-times.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: kingshmegland on May 23, 2018, 06:33:26 PM
The NBA has basically had the same rule for decades.  I know this is a bigger deal because of the last two years, but an employer expecting an employee to not do something that they makes them look bad is not unheard of.  In fact, just about any employer will frown greatly on anything that makes them look bad.

Though the NBA allows the players to wear t shirts pre game and writing on their sneakers.   The NBA can get it right.  Why can't the NFL?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: kingshmegland on May 23, 2018, 06:35:00 PM
Image is important.
(https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/i/streams/2012/September/120906/524259-120906-biz-getting-fired-fast-times.jpg)

I now have the urge to masturbate to Phoebe Cates.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: KevShmev on May 23, 2018, 06:44:07 PM
Do it moving in stereo.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: KevShmev on May 23, 2018, 06:44:56 PM

Though the NBA allows the players to wear t shirts pre game and writing on their sneakers.   The NBA can get it right.  Why can't the NFL?

It's not called the No Fun League for nothing.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: kaos2900 on May 24, 2018, 06:42:42 AM
The thing I don't understand is that no one is forcing the players to play football. It's not a right to be an NFL Player last I checked. If they don't like the rules quit and form their own league. Being an NFL Player is a job and just like with any job there are rules setup and enforced by the employer. If the employee doesn't like it they can quit or get fired for breaking the rules. And of course the race baiting masters (CNN & ESPN) are milking this for all it's worth portraying this as the old racist white owners silencing the majority black work force. Not everyone may agree but to me using the national anthem time to showcase your political beliefs is disrespectful. I could care less what your skin color is or what the action is.

Someone mentioned above that the NBA allows players to where shirts/shoes during pre-game warm-ups. I have no problem with that because it's not during the anthem. I'm unaware if there is such a rule in the NFL prohibiting this.

Let's forget about the anthem for a second. Why in the world is it so hard to do anything now a days with out getting blasted with political opinions and social activism. Life's hard and the world is fucked up (that's not going to change). Is it so wrong to want to go an enjoy a movie or sporting event to just have fun and escape the pressures of life without getting people pushing their beliefs and issues on others?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: kingshmegland on May 24, 2018, 06:58:45 AM
This is where the problem lies.  The NBA is smart enough to work with the players to allow during those times.  How has the NFL handling anything?  It's a cluster fuck. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: jingle.boy on May 24, 2018, 07:51:15 AM
Is it so wrong to want to go an enjoy a movie or sporting event to just have fun and escape the pressures of life without getting people pushing their beliefs and issues on others?

Precisely... and that's what the owners are doing - it's just the other side of the same coin.  The owners collaborated and collectively decided that kneeling was disrespectful, and are thus forcing their beliefs on the entirety of the employee base.

King's right... the NFL has cluster-fucked every goddamn step of this issue.  I don't know what the right/best response was or should be, but it sure as hell wasn't anything that they have done or are doing.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: El Barto on May 24, 2018, 08:13:29 AM
Is it so wrong to want to go an enjoy a movie or sporting event to just have fun and escape the pressures of life without getting people pushing their beliefs and issues on others?

Precisely... and that's what the owners are doing - it's just the other side of the same coin.  The owners collaborated and collectively decided that kneeling was disrespectful, and are thus forcing their beliefs on the entirety of the employee base.
Exactly. As bothered as some people are by people not going through the proper song and dance during the anthem, I'm just as annoyed by having to put up with the pageantry. When I do go to a sporting event I try and make a point to be in the head or in line for a beer when that nonsense is going on, simply because I don't want to be subjected to forced patriotism. The league started this when it decided that cash from the armed forces was worth making everybody put on a five minute dog and pony show.

Put another way, the league has ~300 days a year it can wave the flag and suck military cock. It should do it on its own damn time, rather than forcing it on me when I'm just trying to watch a football game.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: kingshmegland on May 24, 2018, 08:20:24 AM
Basically, cash for feigned patriotism.  That's what's upsetting as a fan.  My tax dollars are given to these owners when they already take money from me when I go to these games. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: axeman90210 on May 24, 2018, 08:23:13 AM
I thought this was a good read this morning.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/nfl-kneeling-isnt-just-a-protest-its-a-plea/2018/05/23/a2768b5c-5ec5-11e8-a4a4-c070ef53f315_story.html?utm_term=.87049d592b7b


I was proud/glad to see the Jets acting owner come out and say that he was fine if his players decided they still wanted to kneel and that he'd be OK with paying the fines. Especially surprising considering his brother (the team's actual owner) is currently serving in the Trump administration.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: Harmony on May 24, 2018, 08:24:35 AM
So will the concessions people be closing up shop during the playing of the anthem?  Will the bathrooms be closed?  Will the merchandisers stop taking money for that cool foam finger?  Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: jingle.boy on May 24, 2018, 08:25:59 AM
At this point, the anthem's in NA sport are an antiquated tradition.  I may be wrong, but I don't think Euro footy games have an anthem; International Hockey sure doesn't (not sure if the KHL does).  Didn't all this start during/after WWII as a way to bring about national unity?  Now it's just a symbolic moment to start the athletic proceedings - like flicking the lights at the Theater so everyone knows the show's about to start.

Just blow a bloody foghorn, ffs.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 24, 2018, 08:27:20 AM
So will the concessions people be closing up shop during the playing of the anthem?  Will the bathrooms be closed?  Will the merchandisers stop taking money for that cool foam finger?  Asking for a friend.

Nope. I guess if the owner of the team hosting the game wanted those things to stop during the anthem, they could do that. But that would cost them money, so they won't. That's the reason for this decision about kneeling, they are afraid to lose money from ticket buyers, from the government and from TV revenues.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: Stadler on May 24, 2018, 09:11:02 AM
Is it so wrong to want to go an enjoy a movie or sporting event to just have fun and escape the pressures of life without getting people pushing their beliefs and issues on others?

Precisely... and that's what the owners are doing - it's just the other side of the same coin.  The owners collaborated and collectively decided that kneeling was disrespectful, and are thus forcing their beliefs on the entirety of the employee base.

King's right... the NFL has cluster-fucked every goddamn step of this issue.  I don't know what the right/best response was or should be, but it sure as hell wasn't anything that they have done or are doing.

I don't think that's entirely true (your first paragraph), at least from the perspective of the fan.  I think one way of looking at this is that the league has taken the bullet and taken the discussion OFF the field.  We can debate all day the relative rights of the players versus the owners, but at least for the 2 minutes of the anthem (as stretched out to 9 minutes by excruciatingly melismatic singing) we are free of the discussion at that moment in time, at least for the time being.

I don't know; I still see the league being in the right in terms of being able to prescribe what players do on company time, but I'm softening on the idea of the kneel.   I think it's all subjective, and while I personally would stand, out of respect for the fans and those that have served our country, as I recognize the right of racists to be racist, I recognize the right of the players to express their patriotism as they see fit, short of disruptive ACTION. 

Honestly, the mental state of Sir Thomas of Brady is FAR more disruptive to me than this whole anthem thingy. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: El Barto on May 24, 2018, 09:38:04 AM
Is it so wrong to want to go an enjoy a movie or sporting event to just have fun and escape the pressures of life without getting people pushing their beliefs and issues on others?

Precisely... and that's what the owners are doing - it's just the other side of the same coin.  The owners collaborated and collectively decided that kneeling was disrespectful, and are thus forcing their beliefs on the entirety of the employee base.

King's right... the NFL has cluster-fucked every goddamn step of this issue.  I don't know what the right/best response was or should be, but it sure as hell wasn't anything that they have done or are doing.

I don't think that's entirely true (your first paragraph), at least from the perspective of the fan. I think one way of looking at this is that the league has taken the bullet and taken the discussion OFF the field.  We can debate all day the relative rights of the players versus the owners, but at least for the 2 minutes of the anthem (as stretched out to 9 minutes by excruciatingly melismatic singing) we are free of the discussion at that moment in time, at least for the time being.

I don't know; I still see the league being in the right in terms of being able to prescribe what players do on company time, but I'm softening on the idea of the kneel.   I think it's all subjective, and while I personally would stand, out of respect for the fans and those that have served our country, as I recognize the right of racists to be racist, I recognize the right of the players to express their patriotism as they see fit, short of disruptive ACTION. 

Honestly, the mental state of Sir Thomas of Brady is FAR more disruptive to me than this whole anthem thingy.
Which is what makes this a highly dubious response. They hid the problem away which won't make either side happy.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: kingshmegland on May 24, 2018, 09:39:52 AM
You're seeing players already tweeting about it.  It was dying off all ready and now some are feeling they need to respond.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: kaos2900 on May 24, 2018, 10:45:26 AM
So will the concessions people be closing up shop during the playing of the anthem?  Will the bathrooms be closed?  Will the merchandisers stop taking money for that cool foam finger?  Asking for a friend.

Nope. I guess if the owner of the team hosting the game wanted those things to stop during the anthem, they could do that. But that would cost them money, so they won't. That's the reason for this decision about kneeling, they are afraid to lose money from ticket buyers, from the government and from TV revenues.

Actually, I just read that the 49rs will not allow concession sales during the anthem for the 2018 season.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 24, 2018, 10:56:27 AM
So will the concessions people be closing up shop during the playing of the anthem?  Will the bathrooms be closed?  Will the merchandisers stop taking money for that cool foam finger?  Asking for a friend.

Nope. I guess if the owner of the team hosting the game wanted those things to stop during the anthem, they could do that. But that would cost them money, so they won't. That's the reason for this decision about kneeling, they are afraid to lose money from ticket buyers, from the government and from TV revenues.

Actually, I just read that the 49rs will not allow concession sales during the anthem for the 2018 season.

Wow, see that actually surprises me.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: kaos2900 on May 24, 2018, 11:01:07 AM
Thinking more on this, I think this is where I stand

- I think people should stand during the anthem
- I think the NFL as the employer can create/enforce the rules they did
- If the NFL did nothing and people continued to kneel I wouldn't stop watching the NFL

So in a nut shell, I'd prefer people stand and pay attention to the anthem, but if they don't then I don't really care. So I'm moving on from this topic since it doesn't need or deserve any more attention from me.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: jingle.boy on May 24, 2018, 11:51:43 AM
And yet the NFL (and Grabby) gives it more than the attention it deserves
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 24, 2018, 12:45:18 PM
Day 3

The Cincinnati Bengals

My mount rushmore would be Anthony Munoz, Boomer Esiason, Ken Anderson, AJ Green

Honorable mention to the ever entertaining Chad Johnson/Ocho Cinco

Favorite games involving the Bengals.... damn not many..... I'd say the most memorable were the playoff games against Pittsburgh. The one in 2006 where they took out Carson Palmer's knee early in the game... then the one from a couple of years ago where the team completely self-destructed, especially Burfict and Pacman. What a mess of a franchise.

Love the helmet... the jerseys are okay. Prefer the black tops to the orange tops.

(http://bengals.enquirer.com/1997/11/112497_jaguars.html)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: El Barto on May 24, 2018, 01:17:52 PM
Day 3

The Cincinnati Bengals

My mount rushmore would be Anthony Munoz, Boomer Esiason, Ken Anderson, AJ Green

Honorable mention to the ever entertaining Chad Johnson/Ocho Cinco

Favorite games involving the Bengals.... damn not many..... I'd say the most memorable were the playoff games against Pittsburgh. The one in 2006 where they took out Carson Palmer's knee early in the game... then the one from a couple of years ago where the team completely self-destructed, especially Burfict and Pacman. What a mess of a franchise.

Love the helmet... the jerseys are okay. Prefer the black tops to the orange tops.

(http://bengals.enquirer.com/1997/11/112497_jaguars.html)
Hard to argue against those four. Maybe Rodney Holman deserves a spot, but I'm not sure which one. Very well rounded TE back before they were essentially ginormous receivers.

Favorite game (sorry Greg) Bengals 34 Rams 31 with 850 yards passing. With Eddie Brown injured the Bengals had 3 other receivers with over 100 yards.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Cincinnati Bengals
Post by: kaos2900 on May 24, 2018, 01:25:09 PM
I don't know much about Bengals history but I love logo/colors of the uniforms.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Cincinnati Bengals
Post by: kingshmegland on May 24, 2018, 01:32:33 PM
Don't forget the Icky Shuffle!

Boomer was my favorite from Cincy.  As a lefty into sports, I idolized the lefties in the game. 

The SB loss was a game that is still vivid in my memory.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Cincinnati Bengals
Post by: axeman90210 on May 24, 2018, 01:42:13 PM
You're seeing players already tweeting about it.  It was dying off all ready and now some are feeling they need to respond.

This is what cracks me up. They single handedly re-stirred the pot after talk about it had died down, they pissed off a decent segment of their players (and some of their fans on the liberal side of the spectrum), and then Trump came out this morning and said what they did wasn't enough. So they've made exactly nobody happy :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Cincinnati Bengals
Post by: Stadler on May 24, 2018, 02:00:14 PM
Bengals:  Big Boomer fan, also a big Chris Collinsworth fan.   Unfortunately the last five years, plus minus, are everything I dislike about pro sports today.   Wimpy coach that can't control his team, and a bunch of players who's self-image is RADICALLY different than the reality, all reflected in a record that fits.   
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Cincinnati Bengals
Post by: El Barto on May 24, 2018, 02:06:10 PM
You're seeing players already tweeting about it.  It was dying off all ready and now some are feeling they need to respond.

This is what cracks me up. They single handedly re-stirred the pot after talk about it had died down, they pissed off a decent segment of their players (and some of their fans on the liberal side of the spectrum), and then Trump came out this morning and said what they did wasn't enough. So they've made exactly nobody happy :lol
Did he say that too? My interpretation was that he approved, but thought that the protesters should move to Russia or something.  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Cincinnati Bengals
Post by: axeman90210 on May 24, 2018, 03:01:02 PM
You're seeing players already tweeting about it.  It was dying off all ready and now some are feeling they need to respond.

This is what cracks me up. They single handedly re-stirred the pot after talk about it had died down, they pissed off a decent segment of their players (and some of their fans on the liberal side of the spectrum), and then Trump came out this morning and said what they did wasn't enough. So they've made exactly nobody happy :lol
Did he say that too? My interpretation was that he approved, but thought that the protesters should move to Russia or something.  :lol

The way I read his comments was that the NFL shouldn't even give the players the option of staying in the locker room.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Carolina Panthers
Post by: pg1067 on May 24, 2018, 04:33:50 PM
Day 3

The Cincinnati Bengals

My mount rushmore would be Anthony Munoz, Boomer Esiason, Ken Anderson, AJ Green

Honorable mention to the ever entertaining Chad Johnson/Ocho Cinco

Favorite games involving the Bengals.... damn not many..... I'd say the most memorable were the playoff games against Pittsburgh. The one in 2006 where they took out Carson Palmer's knee early in the game... then the one from a couple of years ago where the team completely self-destructed, especially Burfict and Pacman. What a mess of a franchise.

Love the helmet... the jerseys are okay. Prefer the black tops to the orange tops.

(http://bengals.enquirer.com/1997/11/112497_jaguars.html)

My favorite games would be the two Bengals Super Bowls (16 and 23) -- two of the more entertaining Super Bowls of the 80s.  Also the playoff game against San Diego where it was -50 degrees or something like that.

FWIW, in 2017, a web site called cincyjungle.com named the following as the top 5 Bengals of all time:  (5) Chad Johnson; (4) Boomer Esiason; (3) Ken Riley (a 4x all-pro cornerback who played from 69-83); (2) Ken Anderson; (1) Anthony Munoz.  A.J. Green ranked #7 (one spot ahead of Isaac Curtis, whom I would have put ahead of Green).

Honorable mention to Cris Collinsworth, Pat McInally and Boobie Clark.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Cincinnati Bengals
Post by: El Barto on May 24, 2018, 05:50:43 PM
I'm definitely putting Boomer ahead of Ken Anderson. The Bengals might have been the first team to regularly use the hurry-up offense as a routine offense and Boomer had it mastered. Moreover, I can't think of any QB that was better with play action than he was. That became a hallmark of a Sam Wyche coached QB, but his was as good as it got.

As for Johnson v. Green, I'm probably leaning Green's direction. Statistically they're pretty much dead even, but it says something to me that CJ couldn't play in NE with a much more pass friendly, but complicated system. Green strikes me as an intelligent guy while CJ seems like a buffoon.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Cincinnati Bengals
Post by: kingshmegland on May 24, 2018, 06:04:38 PM
Dead on with Boomer El Barto.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Cincinnati Bengals
Post by: KevShmev on May 24, 2018, 06:45:05 PM
I would personally put Corey Dillon on there since his monster game in his rookie season against the Titans helped me win my first fantasy football championship, but I will admit to a slight bit of bias. ;)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Cincinnati Bengals
Post by: El Barto on May 24, 2018, 07:19:04 PM
I would personally put Corey Dillon on there since his monster game in his rookie season against the Titans helped me win my first fantasy football championship, but I will admit to a slight bit of bias. ;)
I have a similar fondness for the guy based on his first season with NE. Won me my second.  :tup
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Cincinnati Bengals
Post by: kingshmegland on May 24, 2018, 07:27:45 PM
1600 plus yards.  He was a beast that year in 2004.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Cincinnati Bengals
Post by: PowerSlave on May 25, 2018, 02:21:13 AM
Boomer was a really good QB, but I also consider him to be the most annoying sports analyst on TV, and that's saying something. I remember when him and Dan Dierdorf were the Monday night crew, and I could sense DD's constant frustration with him on every broadcast. He isn't much better on CBS's pre-game now, either.

And I have to completely agree with you guys that brought up Corey Dillon. That guy was an absolute beast.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Cincinnati Bengals
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 25, 2018, 06:31:08 AM
Day 5 – Tennessee Titans/Houston Oilers

Today we discuss the Titans/Oilers (since the Titans retain the Oilers’ history).

My Mount Rushmore – Bruce Matthews, Earl Campbell, Warren Moon, Steve McNair 

The Oilers were one of my 2 go to teams in Tecmo Super Bowl (Along with the Eagles). Just loved playing with Moon, Drew Hill, Haywood Jeffries, Earnest Givens, and Lorenzo White. Made for a wide-open offense.

Most memorable games – For me, I don’t remember many Oiler games. But the two big Titan games I remember were the Super Bowl where they were a yard short, and the Divisional game against Baltimore where Ray Lewis took the ball from Eddie George. Tennessee/Baltimore was shaping up to be quite the rivalry prior to re-alignment.

Loved the Oilers Helmets/Uniforms. Ditto for the Titans’ original look. Not digging the recent overhaul….


(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSB-MyaVIygCBF8FZ6VNJshzEVTpDHsfrfwiTHADChXJifUjPto)

(http://www.titansonline.com/assets/images/imported/TEN/george-mcnair600-091217.jpg)

(https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5ac57c4ec407b32c008b4633-750-407.jpg)


Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Cincinnati Bengals
Post by: Stadler on May 25, 2018, 08:12:20 AM
Dead on with Boomer El Barto.

And Green.   Johnson was an athlete, not a football player.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Tennessee Titans
Post by: El Barto on May 25, 2018, 09:15:55 AM
Too many good Oilers/Titans to choose from. Bethea is certainly a reasonable choice, as it Watt. Not many defensive players have the ability to completely takeover a football game like he can.

And when they played in two named games, the favorites aren't hard to choose from. The Comeback and The Music City Miracle were both fantastic to see.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Tennessee Titans
Post by: kingshmegland on May 25, 2018, 09:49:53 AM
One of my memories seeing the Titans/Oilers was in Jan 10th, 2004. It was the Divisional round of the playoffs.  it was 4 degrees with a wind chill of -20.  Our car battery died in the parking lot thanks you my buddy leaving his indoor light on.  IT was the second coldest game I ever went to.  A hard fought battle that the Pats barely escaped with a FG in the 4th quarter to win 17-14 and went on to win SB #2.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Cincinnati Bengals
Post by: pg1067 on May 25, 2018, 10:20:05 AM
Day 5 – Tennessee Titans/Houston Oilers

Today we discuss the Titans/Oilers (since the Titans retain the Oilers’ history).

My Mount Rushmore – Bruce Matthews, Earl Campbell, Warren Moon, Steve McNair 

The Oilers were one of my 2 go to teams in Tecmo Super Bowl (Along with the Eagles). Just loved playing with Moon, Drew Hill, Haywood Jeffries, Earnest Givens, and Lorenzo White. Made for a wide-open offense.

Most memorable games – For me, I don’t remember many Oiler games. But the two big Titan games I remember were the Super Bowl where they were a yard short, and the Divisional game against Baltimore where Ray Lewis took the ball from Eddie George. Tennessee/Baltimore was shaping up to be quite the rivalry prior to re-alignment.

When I first started watching football, the Steelers v. Oilers rivalry was fun to watch, and when you talk about the Houston Oilers, the first guy that comes to my mind is Billy "White Shoes" Johnson.  A 3x pro bowler and first team all pro, Johnson was a member of the NFL's all-decade teams for the 1970s and 1980s and the NFL's 75th anniversary team.  But the most memorable thing about him for me were his touchdown celebrations.

I'd put him on the team's Mount Rushmore over McNair, and I agree with the other selections.

Most memorable game has to be the Music City Miracle.  And, because "memorable" doesn't have to mean good, the Bills comeback from a 35-3 defecit has to be up there too.


Too many good Oilers/Titans to choose from. Bethea is certainly a reasonable choice, as it Watt.

Watt???
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Tennessee Titans
Post by: kingshmegland on May 25, 2018, 10:40:02 AM
Give me a Bum anyday. Loved the hat.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Cincinnati Bengals
Post by: El Barto on May 25, 2018, 10:46:29 AM
Too many good Oilers/Titans to choose from. Bethea is certainly a reasonable choice, as it Watt.

Watt???
Damn. That whole thing still fucks with my head.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Cincinnati Bengals
Post by: pg1067 on May 25, 2018, 11:06:00 AM
Too many good Oilers/Titans to choose from. Bethea is certainly a reasonable choice, as it Watt.

Watt???
Damn. That whole thing still fucks with my head.

Just wait 'til we get to the Browns/Ravens.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Tennessee Titans
Post by: Stadler on May 25, 2018, 11:19:10 AM
Love the old Oilers.  Coulnd't give even half a f*** about the Titans.

Pastorini, Moon, Campbell, Phillips...  they weren't as good a team as some of the dynasties, but like the Chargers, you knew you were going to have to earn the win playing against them. 

I met White Shoes at a Falcons game back awhile ago (late 90's maybe?).   Very nice,  humble man.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Cincinnati Bengals
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 25, 2018, 12:16:01 PM
Too many good Oilers/Titans to choose from. Bethea is certainly a reasonable choice, as it Watt.

Watt???
Damn. That whole thing still fucks with my head.

Just wait 'til we get to the Browns/Ravens.

That won't be nearly as bad as Cleveland got to keep their history.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Tennessee Titans
Post by: max_security on May 25, 2018, 08:04:55 PM
Too many good Oilers/Titans to choose from. Bethea is certainly a reasonable choice, as it Watt.

Watt???
Damn. That whole thing still fucks with my head.

Just wait 'til we get to the Browns/Ravens.

That won't be nearly as bad as Cleveland got to keep their history.

Baltimore Colts and the Indy Mayflowers actually.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Tennessee Titans
Post by: kingshmegland on May 25, 2018, 08:06:46 PM
Don't be goin' all Raymond Berry on me now.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Tennessee Titans
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 26, 2018, 09:25:06 AM
Don't know how much play we'll get on the weekend... but I said 32ish days, so here we are.

Today's team is the Los Angeles/San Diego Chargers.

I was gutted for the fans in San Diego. Sucks to lose your franchise.

Mt. Rushmore for me would be L.T., Junior Seau, Fouts & Rivers

Memorable games. The one Kev brought up a few days ago against Miami. Of course they had another classic playoff tilt years before that, but way before my time. Was certainly rooting for them in Super Bowl 29, but they were clearly on the wrong side of history for that one.

Uniforms... I'm an odd ball.... so for some reason the power blues aren't my favorite look... rather liked their look in the 90s.

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-590a03f5/turbine/sd-sp-chargers-seau-some-good-came-from-tragic-death-20170502)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The L.A. Chargers
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 27, 2018, 09:34:15 AM
Yeah.... weekdays it is.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The L.A. Chargers
Post by: KevShmev on May 27, 2018, 06:25:17 PM
I think I'd put Gates in there over Rivers.  Gates is one of the top 3 tight ends of his generation (along with Gronk and Gonzalez) and is a likely Hall of Famer right away, while Rivers will have a tough time making the Hall unless he wins a ring late in his career. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The L.A. Chargers
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 27, 2018, 09:10:50 PM
That's certainly fair. I wonder if they'll bring Gates back in now that Henry's injured.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The L.A. Chargers
Post by: PowerSlave on May 28, 2018, 03:27:33 AM
I think I'd put Gates in there over Rivers.  Gates is one of the top 3 tight ends of his generation (along with Gronk and Gonzalez) and is a likely Hall of Famer right away, while Rivers will have a tough time making the Hall unless he wins a ring late in his career.

I think that he'll eventually make it into the HOF, but any player with a PED suspension can probably expect to wait a few years to be enshrined.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The L.A. Chargers
Post by: Stadler on May 28, 2018, 09:21:31 AM
Rivers doesn't get anywhere NEAR my list, and if it was up to me, the only way he gets into the Hall is by buying a ticket with the rest of the fans.  Not a fan at all; unlike Fouts, who is on my list (and who I think IS a HoF'er) I think Rivers has consistently under-performed his entire career.   He hasn't won anything - and won't - and that's not for lack of talent around him or coaching.   I can't stand that whiney style of his.   There's not a game that goes by that the Chargers aren't in it near the end, but then they blow it, and there's one or two plays where he overthrows a receiver then bitches out the receiver, the linemen, the running back kept in to block, the OC, the head coach, the cheerleader for shaking her tail feather during the play...  WHAAAAAAAAAAAA.    Reminds me of Dan Marino without the lights out stats.

Fouts, LT, Seau, Lance Alworth, Kellen Winslow are my list.   Gates, Shawne Merriman, Charlie Joiner, even Rolf Benirschke... all belong on there before Rivers. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The L.A. Chargers
Post by: KevShmev on May 28, 2018, 01:08:04 PM
I think I'd put Gates in there over Rivers.  Gates is one of the top 3 tight ends of his generation (along with Gronk and Gonzalez) and is a likely Hall of Famer right away, while Rivers will have a tough time making the Hall unless he wins a ring late in his career.

I think that he'll eventually make it into the HOF, but any player with a PED suspension can probably expect to wait a few years to be enshrined.

I am not sure that will matter.  Football HOF voters have their issues, but don't get on nearly as high a horse as baseball HOF voters (who I have no respect for).  The occasional PED suspension doesn't seem to really affect how football players are viewed, at least from what I can tell.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The L.A. Chargers
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on May 28, 2018, 01:26:49 PM
Regarding Rivers, I feel like he doesn’t really get enough credit. He never had a complete team around him and often was forced to carry inadequate Chargers teams. He’s like the AFC version of Romo. He’s the least successful of the big three quarterbacks drafted in 2004, but if you analyze the careers of Big Ben and Eli, you’ll see that most of their success came because they had a great team around them. The Giants won Super Bowl 42 because the defense sacked Brady six times and held one of the best offenses in NFL history to 14 points. The Steelers won Super Bowl 40 in spite of Roethlisberger, who set a record for worst passer rating by a winning QB in Super Bowl history. Eli and Ben are surefire Hall of Famers, possibly even first ballot Hall of Famers, yet Rivers has the more consistent stats. He just never had the great team around him like Ben and Eli did, save for 2006 and 2009. A lot of the Chargers playoff failures didn’t fall on his shoulders (the 2009 AFC Divisional Round loss to the Jets where Nate Kaeding missed three field goals in a game that they lost by 3 points comes to mind). Meanwhile, he carried some mediocre Chargers teams to moderate success, like taking the 2007 Chargers to the AFC Championship and playing the entire game with a torn ACL. Rivers is one of the best examples I can think of when talking about how individual performance matters. Football is the ultimate team game, and championship success doesn’t always dictate who the best players are. Sometimes a great team can carry a mediocre player to a title. It’s how guys like Trent Dilfer and Jeff Hostetler have a ring while guys like Dan Marino and Tony Gonzalez don’t. Philip Rivers has had a great career and had more individual success than both Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger, but because he’s the only one of the three without a championship (at least as of this writing), his career will never be held in the same regard as them, which is a cruel fate for the most talented of the three QB’s who ended up on the worst team.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The L.A. Chargers
Post by: PowerSlave on May 28, 2018, 02:11:27 PM
I'll agree that Ben had better teams around him than Rivers, but people tend to forget some things. Ben's play in the playoff run up to the SB against the Seahawks was quite good, but everyone ignores that because of his poor play in the final game. Then the other two seasons that they made it to a SB his playing ability also carried them through.

Keep in mind, the steelers had exceptional defenses throughout the 90's as well. Yet they couldn't get a ring until he entered the picture.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The L.A. Chargers
Post by: Stadler on May 28, 2018, 06:28:59 PM
Regarding Rivers, I feel like he doesn’t really get enough credit. He never had a complete team around him and often was forced to carry inadequate Chargers teams. He’s like the AFC version of Romo. He’s the least successful of the big three quarterbacks drafted in 2004, but if you analyze the careers of Big Ben and Eli, you’ll see that most of their success came because they had a great team around them. The Giants won Super Bowl 42 because the defense sacked Brady six times and held one of the best offenses in NFL history to 14 points. The Steelers won Super Bowl 40 in spite of Roethlisberger, who set a record for worst passer rating by a winning QB in Super Bowl history. Eli and Ben are surefire Hall of Famers, possibly even first ballot Hall of Famers, yet Rivers has the more consistent stats. He just never had the great team around him like Ben and Eli did, save for 2006 and 2009. A lot of the Chargers playoff failures didn’t fall on his shoulders (the 2009 AFC Divisional Round loss to the Jets where Nate Kaeding missed three field goals in a game that they lost by 3 points comes to mind). Meanwhile, he carried some mediocre Chargers teams to moderate success, like taking the 2007 Chargers to the AFC Championship and playing the entire game with a torn ACL. Rivers is one of the best examples I can think of when talking about how individual performance matters. Football is the ultimate team game, and championship success doesn’t always dictate who the best players are. Sometimes a great team can carry a mediocre player to a title. It’s how guys like Trent Dilfer and Jeff Hostetler have a ring while guys like Dan Marino and Tony Gonzalez don’t. Philip Rivers has had a great career and had more individual success than both Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger, but because he’s the only one of the three without a championship (at least as of this writing), his career will never be held in the same regard as them, which is a cruel fate for the most talented of the three QB’s who ended up on the worst team.

But to that... I would argue that performance on the field that translates into lights out stats is not necessarily the performance on the field that translates into WINS.     We can talk all day long about how great an athlete Romo is - and he is - but there's a point where the linebacker subconsciously knows he can take that chance, play with abandon, and turn in that great play knowing his QB is not going to do anything stupid, is not going to choke and no matter what, they'll still be in the game.     Brady does FAR more for New England than just taking snaps, handing off, and throwing 30-yard slant routes to Gronk.    That defense practices against Brady every week.    Brady makes his defense better.  (And lest you think I'm just fellating Brady, you could plug Ben, Manning (Peyton), Montana, Elway, McMahon, Aikman, Bradshaw... there's probably a half dozen others that fall into this list. QBs who have their teams back; there are a lot of things you can say about Rivers - and Marino - but I'm not sure that's one of them.)   Ask any of those players on those Marino team - and by the way, don't say they didn't have good teams around him; they were coached by perhaps the greatest coach in history until Belichick came along and Marks Duper and Clayton are nothing to sneeze at - whether they'd trade 15 of those 48 or 44 TDs for a Super Bowl ring and see what they'd say.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish days - Current Team : The Tennessee Titans
Post by: pg1067 on May 29, 2018, 12:39:31 PM
Don't know how much play we'll get on the weekend... but I said 32ish days, so here we are.

Today's team is the Los Angeles/San Diego Chargers.

I was gutted for the fans in San Diego. Sucks to lose your franchise.

Mt. Rushmore for me would be L.T., Junior Seau, Fouts & Rivers

Memorable games. The one Kev brought up a few days ago against Miami. Of course they had another classic playoff tilt years before that, but way before my time. Was certainly rooting for them in Super Bowl 29, but they were clearly on the wrong side of history for that one.

Uniforms... I'm an odd ball.... so for some reason the power blues aren't my favorite look... rather liked their look in the 90s.

My top Chargers games were the two playoff games against Miami and Cincinnati.  Also, when I was in 7th or 8th grade, I was in the band.  We had a concert with the school choir.  When the choir performed, they would walk out to the front of the stage in front of the band, and we would stay in our seats.  Someone had a portable radio built into a set of headphones, and we were listening to what I assume was Monday Night Football.  At some point, San Diego scored, and I loudly blurted out, "Touchdown San Diego!!"  Don't remember anything else about the game.

This is a tough Mt. Rushmore.  Difficult to leave off guys like Lance Alworth and Kellen Winslow, but I'm not sure which of the four listed I would replace.


Gates, Shawne Merriman, Charlie Joiner, even Rolf Benirschke... all belong on there before Rivers. 

ROTFL!!!  Are you that big of a Wheel of Fortune fan?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The L.A. Chargers
Post by: Stadler on May 29, 2018, 01:00:42 PM
Not that (though I must note: Pat Sajak has the biggest head I've ever seen) but rather that he had a "Kock pouch" procedure and came back and led the Chargers in career scoring.   No one should have to go through a "Kock pouch" procedure. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The L.A. Chargers
Post by: busty sinclair on May 29, 2018, 01:50:01 PM
I'm the only chargers fan listed in the forum so i'll try to be subjective. My hall of fame is, winslow, fouts, alworth, rivers, seau, LT, gates. would love to add bosa to that eventually
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The L.A. Chargers
Post by: kingshmegland on May 29, 2018, 01:51:55 PM
I'm the only chargers fan listed in the forum so i'll try to be subjective. My hall of fame is, winslow, fouts, alworth, rivers, seau, LT, gates. would love to add bosa to that eventually

I will believe it when you sing the "San Diego Super Chargers" song and post a video. :lol  I kid!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The L.A. Chargers
Post by: busty sinclair on May 29, 2018, 01:53:49 PM
thats hilarious! i have been known to randomly put that in a bass line from time to time during a live jam.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The L.A. Chargers
Post by: kingshmegland on May 29, 2018, 01:55:28 PM
Get out!  That's awesome!  I remember a guy posting a video of him singing it in a powder blue Mucha Lucha mask and suit.  It was hilarious.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The L.A. Chargers
Post by: busty sinclair on May 29, 2018, 01:58:16 PM
oh man that is hilarious! i'm definitely not extroverted enough to do that... in public
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The L.A. Chargers
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 29, 2018, 02:03:50 PM
Today's team, the Houston Texans.

Starting play in 2002, the Texans got the league back to an even number of teams. No more week 1 or week 17 bye weeks for anyone!

The Oilers bolted for Tennessee in the mid-90s, and it was a relatively short wait to get a team back in one of the biggest markets in the country.

My Mount Rushmore would be Andre Johnson, J.J. Watt,  DeAndre Hopkins, DeMeco Ryans


Helmets and jerseys are okay. I preferred the white helmet that was in Madden 2002....

Memorable game.... recall a game with them and Jacksonville ending on a hail mary. Also was good to see them finally beat Indy.

This may be the next power in the AFC, if Watson is able to bounce back from his injury. Team is loaded and always needed a QB to get over the hump.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TyoFrLuU3dI/hqdefault.jpg)

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/J6MB9liEP2zgtssQgXONLw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAwO2lsPXBsYW5l/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/afp.com/Part-GTY-867939670-1-1-0.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The L.A. Chargers
Post by: pg1067 on May 29, 2018, 03:53:37 PM
Today's team, the Houston Texans.

Starting play in 2002, the Texans got the league back to an even number of teams. No more week 1 or week 17 bye weeks for anyone!

The Oilers bolted for Tennessee in the mid-90s, and it was a relatively short wait to get a team back in one of the biggest markets in the country.

My Mount Rushmore would be Andre Johnson, J.J. Watt,  DeAndre Hopkins, DeMeco Ryans


Helmets and jerseys are okay. I preferred the white helmet that was in Madden 2002....

Memorable game.... recall a game with them and Jacksonville ending on a hail mary. Also was good to see them finally beat Indy.

I don't even know who DeMeco Ryans is.  I had to google to come up with a Mt. Rushmore:  Watt, Johnson, Arian Foster and Brian Cushing.  The biggest surprise is that this team has been around since 2002.  If you'd asked me five minutes ago, I'd have guessed maybe 2008 or so.  Can't think of a single memorable game.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The Houston Texans
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 29, 2018, 04:41:47 PM
I will say that Wilson vs. Watson from last year was one of the most exciting games of the regular season.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The Houston Texans
Post by: kingshmegland on May 29, 2018, 04:46:12 PM
The Texans are a team I always think they've turned a corner and will become a perennial favorite and never get over that hump.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The Houston Texans
Post by: PowerSlave on May 29, 2018, 05:37:29 PM
The Texans are a team I always think they've turned a corner and will become a perennial favorite and never get over that hump.

Same here. They always seem to be on the verge.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The Houston Texans
Post by: kingshmegland on May 29, 2018, 06:56:44 PM
You should internet, Twitter more.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The L.A. Chargers
Post by: Rattlehead on May 29, 2018, 08:35:40 PM
Regarding Rivers, I feel like he doesn’t really get enough credit. He never had a complete team around him and often was forced to carry inadequate Chargers teams.

You made a lot of valid points in that post but I had to single out this part because Rivers definitely had a complete team in 2006 and 2009 off the top of my head. Both teams were one and done because Rivers couldn't do enough to lead them to victories against inferior opponents. I know he got some bad breaks (fumbled punt return in the Patriots game and Nate Kaeding missing a bunch of kicks in the Jets game), but both were one possession games when it was all said and done. Rivers was average at best in both games. I have a lot of respect for him at this point but Rivers always seems to underwhelm in playoff games unlike Eli or Ben. You also mentioned him taking the 2007 Chargers to the AFC Championship game, but Billy Volek actually engineered the game winning drive against the Colts at Indianapolis in the divisional round. I really can't think of a time when Rivers took over a playoff game like I've seen Ben or Eli do. Maybe I'm missing one because I'm too lazy to look it up right now  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The Houston Texans
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 30, 2018, 12:16:53 PM
Today's Team - The Jacksonville Jaguars

Only in business since the mid 90s, the Jaguars have more trips to their conference Championship Game (3) then many other teams during the same time period. The team looks to be on the rise after a long period of suck.

My Mount Rushmore = Tony Boselli, Mark Brunell, Fred Taylor, Jimmy Smith.  Honorable mention to Tom Coughlin, and acknowledgment that Jalen Ramsey has the potential to be even better than all the others.

Loved their original uniforms/helmets. The two-color helmets were horrid. Glad to see them get rid of them.

Memorable games... that playoff win vs. Denver, and the two wins vs. Pittsburgh last year.

(http://images.performgroup.com/di/library/sporting_news/b9/b5/mark-brunell-01881818-getty-ftrjpg_ncorm5i6dj1c1norjsrasceg1.jpg?t=161654673&w=960&quality=70)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Jacksonville Jaguars
Post by: Stadler on May 30, 2018, 01:07:00 PM
Second the love for Coughlin.   

I'm mystified by how the Giants under him (with Manning, who I consider the real deal) were so up and down, but they do have two Super Bowls, and while everyone remembers "New England! HELMET!   Manningham!   Don't score!" for those, they were championship caliber seasons.   I think that up and down is the only thing that keep Coughlin from being mentioned among the greatest coaches of all time. 

My two cents.   

Oh, and Fred Taylor. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Jacksonville Jaguars
Post by: KevShmev on May 30, 2018, 04:29:55 PM
Future Hall of Famer and all-time great Blake Bortles has to be on the Jags Mount Rushmore.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - 32 Teams in 32ish weekdays - Current Team : The Houston Texans
Post by: pg1067 on May 30, 2018, 04:55:18 PM
Today's Team - The Jacksonville Jaguars

Only in business since the mid 90s, the Jaguars have more trips to their conference Championship Game (3) then many other teams during the same time period. The team looks to be on the rise after a long period of suck.

My Mount Rushmore = Tony Boselli, Mark Brunell, Fred Taylor, Jimmy Smith.  Honorable mention to Tom Coughlin, and acknowledgment that Jalen Ramsey has the potential to be even better than all the others.

Loved their original uniforms/helmets. The two-color helmets were horrid. Glad to see them get rid of them.

Memorable games... that playoff win vs. Denver, and the two wins vs. Pittsburgh last year.

Since "memorable" doesn't necessarily mean good, I suppose Denver's loss in the playoffs is probably the most memorable Jags game (the only other Jags game I can remember at all is the playoff game against Pittburgh.

As far as a Mt. Rushmore, the first name that comes to mind when I think of the Jags is Mark Brunell.  Other names that come to mind are Maurice Jones-Drew, Tony Boselli and Fred Taylor, so that sounds good.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Jacksonville Jaguars
Post by: Rattlehead on May 30, 2018, 05:33:13 PM
Some memorable games for me (that haven't already been mentioned) include the win vs the Colts in 2006 towards the end of the season when Jones Drew and Taylor ran all over them. Jones Drew and Taylor combined for 297 rushing yards and 3 rushing TDs on a combined 24 carries! That same season the Jags went into Pittsburgh and beat them in the Wild Card round, which was also a really fun game to watch.

I think Maurice Jones Drew deserves an honorable mention here, he had some really excellent seasons with them and carried their offense on his back for years. From 2009-2011 he had over 1,300 rushing yards each season and 34 total touchdowns in that 3 year span  :o
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Jacksonville Jaguars
Post by: PowerSlave on May 30, 2018, 05:36:38 PM
Future Hall of Famer and all-time great Blake Bortles has to be on the Jags Mount Rushmore.

This is why we can't have nice things  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Jacksonville Jaguars
Post by: KevShmev on May 30, 2018, 05:51:13 PM
Future Hall of Famer and all-time great Blake Bortles has to be on the Jags Mount Rushmore.

This is why we can't have nice things  :lol

 ??? ???

(https://i.imgflip.com/y1ixy.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Jacksonville Jaguars
Post by: PowerSlave on May 31, 2018, 02:56:47 AM
Future Hall of Famer and all-time great Blake Bortles has to be on the Jags Mount Rushmore.

This is why we can't have nice things  :lol

 ??? ???

(https://i.imgflip.com/y1ixy.jpg)

Don't mind me, I'm just being silly.

Bottles shredding the Steelers secondary really wasn't that surprising in hind sight. In fact, outside of the eagles in the NFC championship game I didn't notice very much impressive defensive play by any team in last year's playoffs. The Patriots were good at times, but that was partly due to their opponents.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Jacksonville Jaguars
Post by: KevShmev on May 31, 2018, 05:56:35 AM
There is no shame in getting shredded by Blake Bortles. There’s gonna come a day, likely very soon, where even guys like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Joe Montana are all gonna wish they had played the QB position as well as Blake Bortles did.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Jacksonville Jaguars
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 31, 2018, 06:37:08 AM
There is no shame in getting shredded by Blake Bortles. There’s gonna come a day, likely very soon, where even guys like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Joe Montana are all gonna wish they had played the QB position as well as Blake Bortles did.

 :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Jacksonville Jaguars
Post by: kingshmegland on May 31, 2018, 06:54:19 AM
There is no shame in getting shredded by Blake Bortles. There’s gonna come a day, likely very soon, where even guys like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Joe Montana are all gonna wish they had played the QB position as well as Blake Bortles did.

Get this man into the concussion protocol right away! :lol

Kev, stop using sarcasm.  You'll confuse many here! :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Jacksonville Jaguars
Post by: Stadler on May 31, 2018, 07:24:52 AM
I'm so petty; I just have a hard time rooting for a guy named "Blake Bortles".    Doesn't roll off the tongue like "Bradshaw", or "Staubach" or "Montana"... those sound like sheriffs from the wild, wild west that you wouldn't f*** with.   "Bortles" sounds like something from "Barney the Purple Dinosaur".
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Jacksonville Jaguars
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on May 31, 2018, 10:33:59 AM
Today's team - The Atlanta Falcons!

If anyone hasn't caught on, or hasn't cared too, every team so far has failed to win a league championship. Atlanta was tantalizingly close to getting one. No, not at Super Bowl XXXIII, where they stole Minnesota's ticket and got bitchslapped by the Broncos. Two seasons ago.... 28-3.... you know the rest.

My Mount Rushmore would be Deion Sanders, Michael Vick and Julio Jones as the no brainers. As far as a 4th goes... I'll give it to Jessie Tuggle, but it could have as easily have been Morten Anderson, Matt Ryan or maybe even Andre Rison.

 
Loved the 90s look of black jerseys and the helmets that went with 'em. Don't care much for the other jerseys.

Memorable games.... 28-3! The NFC Championship game against Minnesota. That playoff game where Vick won at Lambeau.

(http://www.mlb.com/assets/images/1/8/4/258233184/raw.jpg)

(http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2017/03/28/0ap3000000795730_thumbnail_200_150.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Jacksonville Jaguars
Post by: pg1067 on May 31, 2018, 10:49:52 AM
Today's team - The Atlanta Falcons!

If anyone hasn't caught on, or hasn't cared too, every team so far has failed to win a league championship. Atlanta was tantalizingly close to getting one. No, not at Super Bowl XXXIII, where they stole Minnesota's ticket and got bitchslapped by the Broncos. Two seasons ago.... 28-3.... you know the rest.

My Mount Rushmore would be Deion Sanders, Michael Vick and Julio Jones as the no brainers. As far as a 4th goes... I'll give it to Jessie Tuggle, but it could have as easily have been Morten Anderson, Matt Ryan or maybe even Andre Rison.

 
Loved the 90s look of black jerseys and the helmets that went with 'em. Don't care much for the other jerseys.

Memorable games.... 28-3! The NFC Championship game against Minnesota. That playoff game where Vick won at Lambeau.

"This one's for [the fans]!"  Pat Bowlen, 1/31/99

To me, that's the most memorable Falcons games.  Super Bowl 51 would be next on the list.

Mount Rushmore:  Steve Bartkowski, Matt Ryan, Deion "Give me a 'U'!" Sanders and Tim Mazzetti.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Atlanta Falcons
Post by: Stadler on May 31, 2018, 11:38:29 AM
Having lived in Atlanta for about five years (and my next door neighbor was an elderly southern widow who was a season ticket holder since if not the first season, at least back from when they really sucked.

Mike Vick is nowhere near my Mt. Rushmore.   He and Phillip Rivers might want to carpool to the park, because they are in the same boat (and for similar reasons).   Vick is the epitome of the "great athlete" (he's world class, no doubt) but "average football player" dichotomy.

My Mt. Rushmore:

Sanders, Van Note, Ryan, Jones.    Anderson, Bartkowski Chris Chandler (who I like but wasn't that great) and Favre* get honorable mentions.

(* Favre was drafted by the Falcons, and played all of five snaps:   four pass attempts, no completions, two interceptions (one returned for a TD) and the other snap was a sack for a loss.)

 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Atlanta Falcons
Post by: pg1067 on May 31, 2018, 11:43:16 AM
Sanders, Van Note, Ryan, Jones.    Anderson, Bartkowski Chris Chandler (who I like but wasn't that great) and Favre* get honorable mentions.

I assume you're talking about Julio, not June (who was Bartkowski's backup for four seasons before he coached the team), but who is "Anderson"?  Did you mean Morten Andersen?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Atlanta Falcons
Post by: El Barto on May 31, 2018, 11:52:34 AM
I'd probably go with Dogkiller, Deion, Andersen, and Tuggle.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Atlanta Falcons
Post by: Stadler on May 31, 2018, 01:11:00 PM
Sanders, Van Note, Ryan, Jones.    Anderson, Bartkowski Chris Chandler (who I like but wasn't that great) and Favre* get honorable mentions.

I assume you're talking about Julio, not June (who was Bartkowski's backup for four seasons before he coached the team), but who is "Anderson"?  Did you mean Morten Andersen?
Jones is Julio.   Anderson is Morten Andersen; I had both he and Jamaal down and deleted the wrong one when editing my list of also-rans. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Atlanta Falcons
Post by: pg1067 on May 31, 2018, 01:48:48 PM
Sanders, Van Note, Ryan, Jones.    Anderson, Bartkowski Chris Chandler (who I like but wasn't that great) and Favre* get honorable mentions.

I assume you're talking about Julio, not June (who was Bartkowski's backup for four seasons before he coached the team), but who is "Anderson"?  Did you mean Morten Andersen?
Jones is Julio.   Anderson is Morten Andersen; I had both he and Jamaal down and deleted the wrong one when editing my list of also-rans.

I figured it was Morten, but I couldn't could rule out there being an "Anderson" that I wasn't thinking of (Jamaal didn't come to mind).  ;-)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Atlanta Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on May 31, 2018, 07:28:01 PM
I'd put Roddy White on the Falcons list before Vick.  He fell off the cliff fast, but he was tremendous from 2007-2012:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WhitRo00.htm
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Atlanta Falcons
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 02, 2018, 10:03:52 AM
Today's team, the last team with out a NFL Championship/Super Bowl Championship, the Minnesota Vikings! Despite making 4 Super Bowls, they've never won the big one, nor have they been back to the big game since the 70s.

My Mount Rushmore: Fran Tarkenton, Cris Carter, Randy Moss, Adrian Peterson

Always liked their uniforms, helmets. Certainly unique, being the only purple team for decades, and now, one of only two.

Memorable games for me.... their game vs. the Chargers in 2007 saw multiple records broken. A lot of heartbreak in their recent NFC Championship games. Of course, the end of the Divisional round game vs. New Orleans last year was bonkers! Looking forward to seeing how they do with Cousins under center.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/collegefootballmania/images/6/63/Fran-Tarkenton_Vikings.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120415093040)

(http://cover32.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/RandyMoss.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Minnesota Vikings
Post by: PowerSlave on June 02, 2018, 01:41:37 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_People_Eaters

Fran gets a lot of credit for leading those 70's teams, and rightfully so. But their defense was one of the greatest of all time.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Minnesota Vikings
Post by: Stadler on June 02, 2018, 07:48:04 PM
My top four?   

Randall Cunningham, Dante Culpepper, Brad Johnson, and Chris Kluwe.  HAHA, not.

Seriously, Fran Tarkenton, Mick Tinglehoff, Alan Page, and Adrian Peterson, with the second tier:  Randy Moss, Chuck Foreman, Carl Eller, Chris Doleman, Paul Krause, and Jim Marshall.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Minnesota Vikings
Post by: KevShmev on June 02, 2018, 07:50:11 PM
I hate Cris Carter, so the only list I would put him on is the Mount Rushmore of douchebags.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Minnesota Vikings
Post by: TAC on June 02, 2018, 07:53:34 PM
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Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Minnesota Vikings
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 02, 2018, 09:56:06 PM
I hate Cris Carter, so the only list I would put him on is the Mount Rushmore of douchebags.

I wouldn't mind seeing who else is on that mount Rushmore.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Minnesota Vikings
Post by: KevShmev on June 03, 2018, 07:25:44 AM
I hate Cris Carter, so the only list I would put him on is the Mount Rushmore of douchebags.

I wouldn't mind seeing who else is on that mount Rushmore.

I would have to think about it a little bit, to be honest.  Cris Carter and Scottie Pippen have long been the two pro athletes who would definitely make that kind of Mount Rushmore.  Off the top of my head, contenders for the other two spots would include Cam Newton, Draymond Green, Brent Seabrook, Hines Ward and Kobe Bryant.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Minnesota Vikings
Post by: kingshmegland on June 03, 2018, 07:27:05 AM
No Boston players Kev? I'm shocked! :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Minnesota Vikings
Post by: KevShmev on June 03, 2018, 07:29:20 AM
David Ortiz would be the guy closest to making it, but he'd be an alternate at best. :lol :lol

None of the Patriots are hatable douchebags or anything like that.

Most of my hatred for hockey players stems from playoff battles with the Blues (Kris Draper would have made the list 20 years ago), and the Bruins are in the other conference, so there ya go.

The Celtics are the one Boston team I kinda like (Larry Bird is one of my favorite players ever).
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Minnesota Vikings
Post by: TAC on June 03, 2018, 07:33:07 AM
I loved Kris Draper. And Brent Seabrook, for that matter.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Minnesota Vikings
Post by: Stadler on June 03, 2018, 01:32:20 PM
My negative Mount Rushmore is easy:

Cam Newton, Cam Newton, Cam Newton, Cam Newton.

Seriously:  Cam Newton,  Nhadamukong Suh, Vontaze Burfect, Johnny Manziel.   Jay Cutler, Marshawn Lynch, and Terrel Owens are up for consideration.   
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Minnesota Vikings
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 03, 2018, 08:14:52 PM
My negative Mount Rushmore starts and ends with Tom Brady. He has caused so much misery in my 24 years on this planet that he overshadows every other player who has ever done something to make me angry.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Minnesota Vikings
Post by: kingshmegland on June 03, 2018, 08:16:23 PM
My negative Mount Rushmore starts and ends with Tom Brady. He has caused so much misery in my 24 years on this planet that he overshadows every other player who has ever done something to make me angry.

This makes me happy. It will end soon.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Minnesota Vikings
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 04, 2018, 07:46:23 AM
With apologies to the Steamrollers, Yellow Jackets, Bulldogs and Pros, we will move on to the other teams with one league championship, the ones that still exist, that is.


Our next time is the New York Jets.
League Championships - 1 (1968)

Winners of Super Bowl III, one of the two most important football games, according to many. It's been a rough 50 seasons since then. No trips back to the big game. A long, long stint in QB hell. Hopefully for them, Darnold proves to be the real deal.

My Mount Rushmore would be: Joe Namath, Mark Gastineau, Don Maynard, Curtis Martin.  Honorable mention to Kevin Mawae and Revis Island.

Uniforms/Helmets - I'm a weirdo that likes what they were wearing in the 80s and most of the 90s. But their current/classic look is good as well.

Memorable games. In my life time? Not many.......

(https://cdn.britannica.com/180x300/42/190042-004-BCA94CE2.jpg)

(http://www.bestsportsphotos.com/sc_images/products/t_24196_07.jpg)

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1017155.1328398119!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/2027895.jpg)

(http://static.businessinsider.com/image/50aee641ecad04ba23000009-750.jpg)



Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New York Jets
Post by: jingle.boy on June 04, 2018, 08:15:30 AM
Was just coming in to post "butt fumble".  Glad it was captured already.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New York Jets
Post by: cramx3 on June 04, 2018, 09:00:40 AM
Funny how that's immediately what I thought of as well for memorable moments.  As a local to this team, it is a really sad thing to be a Jets fan.  My father is one, and I think growing up in the 90s, it just made sense to be a Giants fan as a kid.  There was never anything about the Jets I found remotely interesting, but I do actually root for them.  I don't consider them Giants rivals so I like seeing them do well and give their fans something to be happy about, the sad part is, whatever happiness they get is usually destroyed by some other fall out.  I kind of expect Darnold to be the next thing for Jets fans to be crying about for ages and being mad at the Giants about.  Hopefully thats not the case for their sake.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New York Jets
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 04, 2018, 09:08:18 AM
Funny how that's immediately what I thought of as well for memorable moments.  As a local to this team, it is a really sad thing to be a Jets fan.  My father is one, and I think growing up in the 90s, it just made sense to be a Giants fan as a kid.  There was never anything about the Jets I found remotely interesting, but I do actually root for them.  I don't consider them Giants rivals so I like seeing them do well and give their fans something to be happy about, the sad part is, whatever happiness they get is usually destroyed by some other fall out.  I kind of expect Darnold to be the next thing for Jets fans to be crying about for ages and being mad at the Giants about.  Hopefully thats not the case for their sake.

Do you think you'd ever actively hate on the Jets, perhaps if they went on a run like New England has? If I were a Giants fan, I'd imagine I'd be okay with them getting another Championship, but that would be it.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New York Jets
Post by: cramx3 on June 04, 2018, 09:15:13 AM
Funny how that's immediately what I thought of as well for memorable moments.  As a local to this team, it is a really sad thing to be a Jets fan.  My father is one, and I think growing up in the 90s, it just made sense to be a Giants fan as a kid.  There was never anything about the Jets I found remotely interesting, but I do actually root for them.  I don't consider them Giants rivals so I like seeing them do well and give their fans something to be happy about, the sad part is, whatever happiness they get is usually destroyed by some other fall out.  I kind of expect Darnold to be the next thing for Jets fans to be crying about for ages and being mad at the Giants about.  Hopefully thats not the case for their sake.

Do you think you'd ever actively hate on the Jets, perhaps if they went on a run like New England has? If I were a Giants fan, I'd imagine I'd be okay with them getting another Championship, but that would be it.

Not really, unless they beat the Giants in the superbowl, but maybe if they hired another cocky coach who tried to force a rivaly.  The only time I was routing against the Jets was when Rex Ryan was running his mouth about how they were so much better and the team in NY now blah blah blah and then it felt great to smack them in the face on Christmas Eve and go on to win a Superbowl while that loss sent the Jets home and out of the playoff scenario. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New York Jets
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 04, 2018, 09:18:38 AM
Yeah, Rex Ryan sure made it easy to hate the Jets.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New York Jets
Post by: Stadler on June 04, 2018, 09:45:47 AM
Let me vouch for Cram on this.  I grew up a Giants fan; my dad and my uncle are DIE HARD Giant fans and have been since they were kids.  They still lament that game in '58 (the "Greatest Game Ever Played") where Alan Ameche scored against the Gints in overtime.   But there was almost zero animosity against the Jets, and they were even happy when Namath won Super Bowl III (though I think there was some come-uppance there, since it was the Colts that they beat).    Plus, in the mid-70's, when there was some kerfluffle with stadia (the Giants used to play football in the '50's and '60's at Yankee Stadium, and that ended in, I think, '74, and the Jets played at Shea but by arrangement couldn't play there until the Mets season was over, that ended in '77 or '78) they decided to both play in Giants Stadium, so there was more camaraderie than rivalry.   

For me:   Namath, Maynard (nice call, Destiny!), John Riggins, and Martin.   Honorable mention to Gastineau and Joe Klecko. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New York Jets
Post by: axeman90210 on June 04, 2018, 10:01:55 AM
Can't argue too much with your Mount Rushmore. I'd probably put D'Brickashaw Ferguson in the honorable mentions, dude was an absolute rock for us for a decade and it still blows my mind that playing in the trenches he only missed one snap in his whole career (and that was only because he was subbed out for a desperation trick play on the final snap of a game).

I think the fact that my first specific memory of being a Jets fan is being nine and getting trolled by my dad (a Giants fan) about the Jets not losing for once during their 1-15 season (it was their bye week) pretty well sums up being a Jets fan in general :lol We've had a few really good teams in my lifetime (Kev, that 98 Conference Championship game still haunts me), and some really bad luck (Testaverde hurting his foot to start the 99 season, Favre hurting his arm in 08). I like the current Bowles/Maccagnan duo running things, so hopefully Darnold pans out and we're a contender again in another year or two.

Yeah, Rex Ryan sure made it easy to hate the Jets.

Absolutely loved him in 2009 and 2010 when the team backed up his talk. Losing both of those conference title games killed me for different reasons, and I think we would have been competitive in both Super Bowls. Started to sour on him when the play/results slipped but he kept running his mouth. Definitely see why everyone else disliked him though. I do think it was funny that Giants fans in particular seemed to not like him because the Jets were getting more attention than they were used to :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New York Jets
Post by: KevShmev on June 04, 2018, 12:47:21 PM
I was a nervous wreck during the whole first half of that 1998 AFCCG, but once the Broncos took the lead in the 3rd Q, I knew we had it.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New York Jets
Post by: cramx3 on June 04, 2018, 12:54:14 PM
Yeah, Rex Ryan sure made it easy to hate the Jets.

Absolutely loved him in 2009 and 2010 when the team backed up his talk. Losing both of those conference title games killed me for different reasons, and I think we would have been competitive in both Super Bowls. Started to sour on him when the play/results slipped but he kept running his mouth. Definitely see why everyone else disliked him though. I do think it was funny that Giants fans in particular seemed to not like him because the Jets were getting more attention than they were used to :lol

I actually really liked Rex Ryan at first too.  He had a big mouth but backed it up those two seasons.  It was when he turned his eyes towards the Giants who really weren't worth him picking a fight with, he knew they played that season and it could (and it did) have playoff implications so I guess that's why he went that direction, but that was what turned me off.  Them making the AFCCG was a fine enough reason to be getting more attention in the media than the Giants.  That never bothered me personally.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Atlanta Falcons
Post by: pg1067 on June 04, 2018, 12:54:42 PM
Today's team, the last team with out a NFL Championship/Super Bowl Championship, the Minnesota Vikings! Despite making 4 Super Bowls, they've never won the big one, nor have they been back to the big game since the 70s.

My Mount Rushmore: Fran Tarkenton, Cris Carter, Randy Moss, Adrian Peterson

Always liked their uniforms, helmets. Certainly unique, being the only purple team for decades, and now, one of only two.

Memorable games for me.... their game vs. the Chargers in 2007 saw multiple records broken. A lot of heartbreak in their recent NFC Championship games. Of course, the end of the Divisional round game vs. New Orleans last year was bonkers! Looking forward to seeing how they do with Cousins under center.

I never saw any of the Vikings Super Bowls.  I didn't start watching football until after Super Bowl 11.

For a Mt. Rushmore, I would go with Alan Page (the only man to be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame and be a state supreme court justice), Fran Tarkenton, Randall McDaniel and Randy Moss.

Memorable games:  the only one that comes to mind is the one where Gary Anderson missed the chip shot kick, which I think sent Atlanta to the Super Bowl.


With apologies to the Steamrollers, Yellow Jackets, Bulldogs and Pros, we will move on to the other teams with one league championship, the ones that still exist, that is.


Our next time is the New York Jets.
League Championships - 1 (1968)

Winners of Super Bowl III, one of the two most important football games, according to many. It's been a rough 50 seasons since then. No trips back to the big game. A long, long stint in QB hell. Hopefully for them, Darnold proves to be the real deal.

My Mount Rushmore would be: Joe Namath, Mark Gastineau, Don Maynard, Curtis Martin.  Honorable mention to Kevin Mawae and Revis Island.

Uniforms/Helmets - I'm a weirdo that likes what they were wearing in the 80s and most of the 90s. But their current/classic look is good as well.

Memorable games. In my life time? Not many.......

Super Bowl 3 is easily the most memorable Jets game, but I wasn't yet 15 months old, so it's obviously not personally memorable.  For personal reasons, I remember the 2011 playoff game when Mark Sanchez led the Jets over the Patriots (one of only two opening round losses for the Patriots in the Brady era).  That's about it, although I have a vague recollection of the Broncos spanking the Jets one year before playing Cleveland in the AFC Championship Game.

As far as Mt. Rushmore:  Joe Namath, Kevin Mawae, Mark Gastineau and Curtis Martin (although Maynard could easily make it).
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New York Jets
Post by: jingle.boy on June 04, 2018, 01:06:09 PM
I was a nervous wreck during the whole first half of that 1998 AFCCG, but once the Broncos took the lead in the 3rd Q, I knew we had it.  :biggrin:

I was in the Bahamas that weekend on a work thing (back in the days when companies had more money than brains - or ethics sometimes!).  There were a TON of shit-your-pants drunk NY clowns there, constantly shouting J-E-T-S ... JETS/JETS/JETS.  God they were obnoxious.  Was so glad Denver put a beatin on them in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Atlanta Falcons
Post by: KevShmev on June 04, 2018, 01:06:29 PM


Memorable games:  the only one that comes to mind is the one where Gary Anderson missed the chip shot kick, which I think sent Atlanta to the Super Bowl.
 

People love to blame that loss on Gary Anderson, but while that FG would have given them a 10-point lead with just over 2 minutes left, the defense then let the Falcons drive down for tying score, and then their record-setting offense had (I think) 3 possessions at the end of regulation and OT and was unable to get in position to win the game.  That game was there for the offense to win and they blew it.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New York Jets
Post by: KevShmev on June 04, 2018, 04:57:07 PM

I was in the Bahamas that weekend on a work thing (back in the days when companies had more money than brains - or ethics sometimes!).  There were a TON of shit-your-pants drunk NY clowns there, constantly shouting J-E-T-S ... JETS/JETS/JETS.  God they were obnoxious.  Was so glad Denver put a beatin on them in the 2nd half.

You and me both.  Terrell Davis put the hurting on Belichick's defense that day. :hat :coolio
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New York Jets
Post by: lonestar on June 04, 2018, 05:20:04 PM
RIP Dwight Clark...

(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34536769_1589720234459411_5799496826574864384_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeEp8Ro-hIhZzLUMX6G2FO1dhpggZP3j7Yf66WSdIZ1Li2_awpdD5o0XfLAZysLfBVAeeCfiWqSpAKU4UScx-DnpFSN1_k0fxkMsRwDaG6Y25Q&oh=0e487845533ea26a8df18acc83ea4558&oe=5B7DFB94)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New York Jets
Post by: kingshmegland on June 04, 2018, 05:27:54 PM
That catch was my first, favorite moment in football as a kid.  I was 13.  R.I.P. Dwight.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New York Jets
Post by: TAC on June 04, 2018, 05:32:15 PM
Yeah, I was just reading about him. Fuck ALS.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New York Jets
Post by: Rattlehead on June 04, 2018, 08:38:30 PM
My favorite Jets memory is when I got to see the Broncos for the first time in person at the Meadowlands back in 2008. That was the year Favre was a Jet and the Broncos were pretty big underdogs. It was a gloomy, windy and rainy day and Jay Cutler tore them apart for over 350 yards and 2 TDs. It's funny how Cutler always manages to have one or two games like that every season where he plays brilliant football. I was lucky to see that Jay show up for my first Bronco game.  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New York Jets
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 04, 2018, 10:39:55 PM
My favorite Jets memory is January 16th, 2011, when the Jets knocked the Patriots out of the playoffs. I don’t think I moved a muscle for that whole game out of sheer stress, but when Mark Sanchez took that final knee, I felt something I had never felt before as a Jets fan: pure elation. Sure that would be spoiled 7 days later as I felt my greatest heartbreak as a Jets fan, but that game in Foxborough will stay with me forever.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New York Jets
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 06, 2018, 09:00:39 AM
The Kansas City Chiefs
League Championships 1 (1969)

Up next are the Chiefs...a team that I've been hoping would be able to break up the recent New England/Pittsburgh dominance of the AFC. They have looked amazing at times, and terrible at times. Now Coach Reid is turning his young QB loose and seeing what he can do.

My Mount Rushmore would be Lamar Hunt, Len Dawson, Tony Gonzalez and Derrick Thomas


Love the uniforms and think that the helmet might be the best in the league.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MJi5eDq9JjU/hqdefault.jpg)


(http://image.al.com/home/bama-media/width600/img/sports_impact/photo/derrick-thomasjpg-d77227c4b2c5b5cc.jpg)

(https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/image?url=https://kckingdom.com/wp-content/uploads/getty-images/2017/10/840212220-kansas-city-chiefs-v-seattle-seahawks.jpg.jpg&)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New York Jets
Post by: pg1067 on June 06, 2018, 09:50:25 AM
The Kansas City Chiefs
League Championships 1 (1969)

Up next are the Chiefs...a team that I've been hoping would be able to break up the recent New England/Pittsburgh dominance of the AFC. They have looked amazing at times, and terrible at times. Now Coach Reid is turning his young QB loose and seeing what he can do.

My Mount Rushmore would be Lamar Hunt, Len Dawson, Tony Gonzalez and Derrick Thomas


Love the uniforms and think that the helmet might be the best in the league.

I agree on the Mt. Rushmore, but swap out Willie Lanier for Lamar Hunt (players only for me).

Most memorable game probably has to be Super Bowl 4 -- the last game before the merger and cemented the AFL's status as a truly competitive league worthy of merging with the NFL.  It's also a game that lives on in NFL Films footage by virtue of Hank Stram being miked up.  Beyond that, most of the memorable Chiefs games are (semi-)recent playoff failures:  the 1/4/98 divisional round loss to the Broncos that led to the Broncos first Super Bowl win, the 1/6/07 wild card game loss to the Colts, and the wild card game loss to Houston this past season.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 06, 2018, 10:00:35 AM
Yeah, I forgot to put my memorable games, but that Wild Card game against the Colts definitely tops the list for games I watched live. It's two regular season wins over New England stand out as well, the game that preceded "We're on to Cincinnati" and opening night last year. Of course New England went on to the Super Bowl in both instances, something Kansas City hasn't done in decades.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: Stadler on June 06, 2018, 10:10:13 AM
Mt. Rushmore will be hard.

Lenny D.; Derrick Thomas; Priest Holmes; Tony Gonzalez... but Jan Stenerud, Willie Lanier, Buck Buchanan, Willie Roaf and Larry Johnson all deserve mention.

I'm saving Joe Montana for SF, and Marcus Allen for Oakland (though he won't make the Mt. Rushmore, I can tell you that right now).
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: pg1067 on June 06, 2018, 10:34:25 AM
Mt. Rushmore will be hard.

Lenny D.; Derrick Thomas; Priest Holmes; Tony Gonzalez... but Jan Stenerud, Willie Lanier, Buck Buchanan, Willie Roaf and Larry Johnson all deserve mention.

Roaf only played for the Chiefs for a few years at the end of his career.  I would say he deserves mention with the Saints, but not the Chiefs.  Stenerud is a good one, although he's most memorable to me for kicks he missed than kicks he made.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: kingshmegland on June 06, 2018, 01:26:21 PM
So the Ravens just got fined and 2 OTA days taken away.  Must have done padded drills or something similar. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: kaos2900 on June 06, 2018, 01:54:03 PM
Can't believe no one has mentioned Christian Okoye. KC has had some great RB's over the years.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: kingshmegland on June 06, 2018, 02:15:38 PM
They had a great run of RB's.  Toughest place to play most NFL players say.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: KevShmev on June 06, 2018, 04:54:19 PM
Priest Holmes had a short peak, but what a beast he was during that peak.

One of my favorite Chiefs moments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljKVNHzBiSs

 :coolio :hat
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: pg1067 on June 06, 2018, 05:15:37 PM
Can't believe no one has mentioned Christian Okoye. KC has had some great RB's over the years.

Dude had a six year career, exceeding 1,000 yards only twice (and one of those times by only 31 yards) and never scoring more than 12 touchdowns in a season.  His best season was very good, but he's hardly a candidate for a "Mt. Rushmore" for a team with as much history as the Chiefs.


Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: Rattlehead on June 06, 2018, 08:48:48 PM
As a Denver fan, there aren't many KC wins that I enjoy, but that opening night win over NE last season was awesome.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2018, 07:47:22 AM
Priest Holmes had a short peak, but what a beast he was during that peak.

One of my favorite Chiefs moments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljKVNHzBiSs

 :coolio :hat

He and Peyton Manning carried me to two fantasy football wins in three years in a league I was in with some high school buddies.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: kingshmegland on June 07, 2018, 12:06:38 PM
Julian Edelman 4 game suspension for PED's. The TB12 method eh?


Are we really surprised anymore when players are injured they take PED's to get back on the field?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 07, 2018, 12:10:45 PM
Julian Edelman 4 game suspension for PED's. The TB12 method eh?


Are we really surprised anymore when players are injured they take PED's to get back on the field?

I guess I'll stop taking him in my mock drafts....
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: El Barto on June 07, 2018, 12:17:21 PM
I'll be curious to find out what it was. I'm somewhat torn on PEDs. I'd just as soon see steroids banned from the game, but at this point who really understands what qualify nowadays. The stories of people taking normal supplements only to find there's some small component of a banned substance in there has made me a bit gun-shy about the way it's enforced. Thankfully, the NFL isn't the Olympics yet, but I don't want to see it heading down that path.

Also, blaming the TB Method seems like a reach. I don't pay much attention to it so you might be dead on, but it seems like if it were something Gurerro were handing out there'd be more people failing tests.

And I can't help but notice that the failed test happened shortly after the Kentucky Derby.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: kingshmegland on June 07, 2018, 12:20:21 PM
El Barto.  I was being sarcastic about the TB12 method.  I was beating the haters to the punch.


If I ran the league all could use PED's when hurt.  They destroy their bodies for our entertainment.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: pg1067 on June 07, 2018, 12:25:13 PM
And I can't help but notice that the failed test happened shortly after the Kentucky Derby.

Hmmm...I've never seen Julian Edelman and Justify in the same room at the same time....
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: kingshmegland on June 07, 2018, 12:30:56 PM
He got his horse steroids from Gronk's horse. :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: TAC on June 07, 2018, 12:35:33 PM
El Barto.  I was being sarcastic about the TB12 method.  I was beating the haters to the punch.

Why do you have to be a hater to question TB12 and Guererro? He is Edelman’s trainer isn’t he?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: kingshmegland on June 07, 2018, 12:38:18 PM
El Barto.  I was being sarcastic about the TB12 method.  I was beating the haters to the punch.

Why do you have to be a hater to question TB12 and Guererro? He is Edelman’s trainer isn’t he?

Tim, come on now.  You don't think that's the first thing other will say?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: El Barto on June 07, 2018, 12:40:32 PM
El Barto.  I was being sarcastic about the TB12 method.  I was beating the haters to the punch.

If I ran the league all could use PED's when hurt.  They destroy their bodies for our entertainment.
Yeah, time to reassess the performance benefits of Rotenone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdG-iTilWU
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: El Barto on June 07, 2018, 12:42:00 PM
El Barto.  I was being sarcastic about the TB12 method.  I was beating the haters to the punch.

Why do you have to be a hater to question TB12 and Guererro? He is Edelman’s trainer isn’t he?

Tim, come on now.  You don't think that's the first thing other will say?
I would be surprised if players were allowed to take supplements from non-team trainers, just for this reason. If they are and Guererro has a hand in Edelman's suspension then a change would very definitely be in order.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: kingshmegland on June 07, 2018, 12:43:11 PM
This is the first Pats player suspended for PED's in 10 years.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: KevShmev on June 07, 2018, 12:44:00 PM
In other news, this should surprise no one:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23723959/terrell-owens-declines-invitation-pro-football-hall-fame-induction-ceremony
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: kingshmegland on June 07, 2018, 12:44:37 PM
El Barto.  I was being sarcastic about the TB12 method.  I was beating the haters to the punch.

Why do you have to be a hater to question TB12 and Guererro? He is Edelman’s trainer isn’t he?

Tim, come on now.  You don't think that's the first thing other will say?
I would be surprised if players were allowed to take supplements from non-team trainers, just for this reason. If they are and Guererro has a hand in Edelman's suspension then a change would very definitely be in order.

There is a list in the CBA that gives the banned substances.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: kingshmegland on June 07, 2018, 12:45:07 PM
In other news, this should surprise no one:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23723959/terrell-owens-declines-invitation-pro-football-hall-fame-induction-ceremony

Hurting his legacy, again.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: El Barto on June 07, 2018, 12:49:47 PM
I think that's actually a pretty good reason. It'll look terrible for him because of who he is and what he's done, but I can certainly understand why somebody would take that stance.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2018, 12:54:39 PM
I think that's actually a pretty good reason. It'll look terrible for him because of who he is and what he's done, but I can certainly understand why somebody would take that stance.

Did I miss something? What is his reasoning?  He doesn't want to be roasted by other inductees?  He's whining because he feels he didn't get in quick enough?   I'm not sure I agree that that's a legit stance. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: kingshmegland on June 07, 2018, 12:56:03 PM
I think that's actually a pretty good reason. It'll look terrible for him because of who he is and what he's done, but I can certainly understand why somebody would take that stance.

You stated the answer. it's bad for him. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: pg1067 on June 07, 2018, 01:08:04 PM
I think that's actually a pretty good reason. It'll look terrible for him because of who he is and what he's done, but I can certainly understand why somebody would take that stance.

Did I miss something? What is his reasoning?  He doesn't want to be roasted by other inductees?  He's whining because he feels he didn't get in quick enough?   I'm not sure I agree that that's a legit stance.

Yeah...I didn't see an actual reason given.  Saying that he "wish[es] to celebrate what will be one of the most memorable days of [his] life, elsewhere" and "at a later date" simply begs the question.  The worst part of it is that he felt the need "to publicly decline [the] invitation to attend the induction ceremony."  It's one thing not to attend, but making a vague, public statement about it is nothing but attention-mongering.  Epic douchebag.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: bosk1 on June 07, 2018, 01:10:30 PM
I'm already thinking ahead to the 49ers Mt. Rushmore.  I mean, I think there are probably four easy choices.  But there are so many potential legitimate runners-up that it's a shame don't make the cut, one of whom is Dwight Clark.  Anyway, I don't mean to get ahead of myself...
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: El Barto on June 07, 2018, 01:11:17 PM
Quote
"... After visiting Canton earlier this year, I came to the realization that I wish to celebrate what will be one of the most memorable days of my life, elsewhere."

I think people are expected to "take one for the team." I think plenty of players would much rather throw a big-ass party of their own with friends, teammates, and family to celebrate the crowning achievement of their professional career.

If Troy Aikman had said he didn't really like the scene in Canton all that much would anybody have really had a problem with it?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: pg1067 on June 07, 2018, 01:15:11 PM
Quote
"... After visiting Canton earlier this year, I came to the realization that I wish to celebrate what will be one of the most memorable days of my life, elsewhere."

I think people are expected to "take one for the team." I think plenty of players would much rather throw a big-ass party of their own with friends, teammates, and family to celebrate the crowning achievement of their professional career.

It's not like he can't do both -- especially since he said he'll announce "where and when" this alternate celebration will occur.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: KevShmev on June 07, 2018, 01:43:26 PM
Owens is basically throwing a tantrum because they made him wait a few years.  I would expect nothing less from him.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 07, 2018, 01:52:04 PM
I'm already thinking ahead to the 49ers Mt. Rushmore.  I mean, I think there are probably four easy choices.  But there are so many potential legitimate runners-up that it's a shame don't make the cut, one of whom is Dwight Clark.  Anyway, I don't mean to get ahead of myself...

Your wait is caused by their success.....and their Mount Rushmore will rival any other franchise for sure.  But if it's any consolation, we'll be talking about a team that beat a good, but not great 49er team en route to their only Super Bowl win.


Today 's team, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
League Championships: 1 (2002)

My Mount Rushmore would be Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, Ronde Barber & Lee Roy Selmon.  Honorable mention to John Lynch, Warrick Dunn, Mike Alstott & Tony Dungy.

LOVE the creamsicles and original helmet. Also liked the pewter pirates re-branding. Not so sure about the current look.

Memorable games for me. The Eagles and Raider games during their Super Bowl run & MNF against the Colts in 2003.

(https://ssl.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I00004WDenhyduH4/s/650/650/49ers-Buccaneers-1992-006.jpg)

(https://i.sportstalkflorida.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/bjohnson012115_8col.jpg)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/6e/1f/2d/6e1f2d84e04316b85d0b407fe9bf46a4.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Post by: KevShmev on June 07, 2018, 01:55:25 PM
The most memorable Bucs regular season game I have seen was their win over the Rams in the 2000 season.  That game was pure excitement from start to finish.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200012180tam.htm
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Post by: bosk1 on June 07, 2018, 01:56:05 PM
I'm already thinking ahead to the 49ers Mt. Rushmore.  I mean, I think there are probably four easy choices.  But there are so many potential legitimate runners-up that it's a shame don't make the cut, one of whom is Dwight Clark.  Anyway, I don't mean to get ahead of myself...

Your wait is caused by their success.....and their Mount Rushmore will rival any other franchise for sure.   

Oh, no worries.  I'm not complaining.  But Dwight Clark's passing got me thinking about it.

LOVE the creamsicles and original helmet. Also liked the pewter pirates re-branding. Not so sure about the current look.

I like the color scheme of the new look, but the design itself just doesn't work.  The numbers look goofy, and the flag on the helmet is way too big.

Never did care for the original look all that much.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Post by: Stadler on June 07, 2018, 02:24:27 PM
My Mount Rushmore would be Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, John Lynch, and Lee Roy Selmon.  Honorable mention to Doug Williams and Testaverde.  I love Doug Williams.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Kansas City Chiefs
Post by: pg1067 on June 07, 2018, 03:38:23 PM
Today 's team, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
League Championships: 1 (2002)

My Mount Rushmore would be Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, Ronde Barber & Lee Roy Selmon.  Honorable mention to John Lynch, Warrick Dunn, Mike Alstott & Tony Dungy.

LOVE the creamsicles and original helmet. Also liked the pewter pirates re-branding. Not so sure about the current look.

Memorable games for me. The Eagles and Raider games during their Super Bowl run & MNF against the Colts in 2003.

Mt. Rushmore:  Lee Roy Selmon, Doug Williams, Warren Sapp and either Derrick Brooks or John Lynch

Memorable games would be the demolition of the Raiders in Super Bowl 37 and the NFC Championship Game leading up to Super Bowl 14.  The Rams kicked three field goals for the only scoring in the game.  It was such a BAD game.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 08, 2018, 10:41:49 AM
Today's team, the New Orleans Saints
1 League Championship (2009)


My Mount Rushmore would be Drew Brees, Willie Roaf, Archie Manning, Rickey Jackson

Jerseys and helmets aren't too great in my opinion. Bottom half in the league for sure.

For many years, this team was a laughing stock. A hurricane displaced them, but Drew Brees and company came back to New Orleans with a vengeance, becoming regular playoff contenders and grabbing a Super Bowl Championship along the way.  Mired by controversy with "Bountygate" and last season, finding themselves on the wrong side of one of the craziest endings in playoff history the Saints have had many memorable moments. Memorable games for me would be the Wild Card game vs. the Rams after the 2000 season,  that first MNF game back in New Orleans after the hurricane against Atlanta. Their Super Bowl Win and of course that game against the Vikings from this past postseason.

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/4252e7af1a3888197136b717f5f93523f21f8eb2/r=x1683&c=3200x1680/local/-/media/USATODAY/GenericImages/2012/10/02/10-3-saints-fans-16_9.jpg)

(https://whodatdish.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/15/files/2011/03/reggie-bush-2.jpg)

(https://sambrief.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/20100207_zaf_cr2_010-drew-brees-saints.jpg)

(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Mark+Ingram+Alvin+Kamara+Wild+Card+Round+Carolina+ut8sfzmP5Gdl.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New Orleans Saints
Post by: Stadler on June 08, 2018, 10:49:13 AM
See, I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Saints uniforms.   LOVE them.   (And I dig that picture with the "throw back jersey"). 

Mt. Rushmore:  Brees; Manning; Andersen; and for the fourth spot, I love Chuck Muncie, Danny Abramowicz, Steve Gleason, Deuce McAlliser, Willie Roaf and Ricky Jackson, but for sentimental reasons, I go with Sam Mills.   
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Post by: pg1067 on June 08, 2018, 11:03:32 AM
Today's team, the New Orleans Saints
1 League Championship (2009)


My Mount Rushmore would be Drew Brees, Willie Roaf, Archie Manning, Rickey Jackson

Jerseys and helmets aren't too great in my opinion. Bottom half in the league for sure.

For many years, this team was a laughing stock. A hurricane displaced them, but Drew Brees and company came back to New Orleans with a vengeance, becoming regular playoff contenders and grabbing a Super Bowl Championship along the way.  Mired by controversy with "Bountygate" and last season, finding themselves on the wrong side of one of the craziest endings in playoff history the Saints have had many memorable moments. Memorable games for me would be the Wild Card game vs. the Rams after the 2000 season,  that first MNF game back in New Orleans after the hurricane against Atlanta. Their Super Bowl Win and of course that game against the Vikings from this past postseason.

Not a lot of memorable games beyond Super Bowl 44.

Mt. Rushmore:  Brees, Roaf, Archie Manning and Steve Gleason.

The uniforms are very good.  The black and gold color scheme is cool and unique.  The fleur-de-lis is simple and reflective of the city.  Not sure what's not to like about them.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New Orleans Saints
Post by: El Barto on June 08, 2018, 01:34:02 PM
Redditor who scooped everybody with the JE suspension yesterday is promising a far bigger story in a few hours. Dude might be FOS, but he did scoop all of the NLF heavyweight reporters by the better part of day yesterday, so you never know.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New Orleans Saints
Post by: Stadler on June 08, 2018, 01:44:07 PM
Redditor who scooped everybody with the JE suspension yesterday is promising a far bigger story in a few hours. Dude might be FOS, but he did scoop all of the NLF heavyweight reporters by the better part of day yesterday, so you never know.

For a while there were TWO blockbuster stories supposedly on the horizon, one suspected of being a Gronk trade, though that has specifically denied by "those close to the situation".   
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New Orleans Saints
Post by: TAC on June 08, 2018, 03:40:13 PM
https://twitter.com/adamkurkjian

"From multiple sources, here's what I have re: the Gronk rumors. Told Belichick wanted to trade him. Offers on the table w both the Titans and 49ers. He and Robert Kraft had a closed-door meeting to discuss. Tom Brady threatened to retire if the deal went through. Kraft nixed it."

 :omg:

Damn!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New Orleans Saints
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 08, 2018, 03:46:39 PM
Would have been awesome to see him reunited with the GOAT Jimmy G out in SF.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New Orleans Saints
Post by: kingshmegland on June 08, 2018, 04:18:23 PM
It was flatly denied by Pats spokesman Stacy James emphatically.  If theirs smoke he wouldn't do that.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New Orleans Saints
Post by: TAC on June 08, 2018, 04:21:04 PM
It was flatly denied by Pats spokesman Stacy James emphatically.  If theirs smoke he wouldn't do that.

Yup, right after he got off the phone with Kraft. Seriously Joe, you believe Stacey James on this?

No way!

This was going down.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New Orleans Saints
Post by: kingshmegland on June 08, 2018, 04:22:59 PM
I do. Because when there is something to it, they would work it with a no comment or spin it.  Find it online Tim.  It was that strong of a response.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New Orleans Saints
Post by: El Barto on June 08, 2018, 04:58:01 PM
I would have been way cool with Trading Gronk. I wanted him gone six weeks ago.

The reason I'm having trouble with the whole thing is that I don't think BB would still be there if he weren't running the show as he's always been. All the rumors we've been hearing make it abundantly clear that TB runs the show and Bill is just there as a administrator. Does anybody think BB would still be there if that were the case? I don't.  My hunch is that if all of the scuttlebutt we've been hearing were true we'd be talking about JMD's team and how the future might look while Bill putters around on the VII Rings. Moreover, I'm not sure that Kraft is that daft. I don't think he'd undersell the greatest coach ever in favor of a QB on his last legs. He's smart enough to know that you let Bill do his thing to future-proof the team, rather than jettison him for one last year with Brady. Bob Kraft is not Jerry Jones.

BTW, the Redditor who scooped everybody on the JE suspension just made one helluva guess.  :lol   On Wed he heard a rumor that something bad was fixing to happen, and he pulled the suspension right out of his ass and posted it that night. When it turned out to be true the next afternoon the rumor mill ran wild about who the mysterious inside source must be.  I bring this guy up because the big story he was going to "break" this evening was that TB was lobbying hard to have JMD take over immediately. He's made clear that it was complete fiction.  Had he done it, though, it'd be regarded as gospel tomorrow as SI and ESPN ran with it. Easy to see how these sorts of things spread.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New Orleans Saints
Post by: KevShmev on June 08, 2018, 06:16:13 PM
Ricky Williams has to be on the Saints Mt Rushmore, wedding dress and all.

(http://www.gottahaveit.com/ItemImages/000014/7_018067_lg.jpeg)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New Orleans Saints
Post by: cramx3 on June 08, 2018, 06:30:28 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New Orleans Saints
Post by: kingshmegland on June 08, 2018, 07:38:57 PM
El Barto.  You would have loved hearing the 2 local sports radio stations waiting for his second Redit post at 5pm.  :lol

It was glorious.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New Orleans Saints
Post by: PowerSlave on June 09, 2018, 03:07:58 AM
I'm not sure how good of a career he had (I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment), but I always think kindly of Craig "Iron Head" Heyward when I think about the Saints. He'd probably be in "honorable mention" status for a lot of people.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New Orleans Saints
Post by: El Barto on June 09, 2018, 09:31:24 AM
I'm not sure how good of a career he had (I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment), but I always think kindly of Craig "Iron Head" Heyward when I think about the Saints. He'd probably be in "honorable mention" status for a lot of people.
Dude certainly wins the "best nickname ever" award.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New Orleans Saints
Post by: Stadler on June 09, 2018, 10:02:07 AM
I would have been way cool with Trading Gronk. I wanted him gone six weeks ago.

The reason I'm having trouble with the whole thing is that I don't think BB would still be there if he weren't running the show as he's always been. All the rumors we've been hearing make it abundantly clear that TB runs the show and Bill is just there as a administrator. Does anybody think BB would still be there if that were the case? I don't.  My hunch is that if all of the scuttlebutt we've been hearing were true we'd be talking about JMD's team and how the future might look while Bill putters around on the VII Rings. Moreover, I'm not sure that Kraft is that daft. I don't think he'd undersell the greatest coach ever in favor of a QB on his last legs. He's smart enough to know that you let Bill do his thing to future-proof the team, rather than jettison him for one last year with Brady. Bob Kraft is not Jerry Jones.

BTW, the Redditor who scooped everybody on the JE suspension just made one helluva guess.  :lol   On Wed he heard a rumor that something bad was fixing to happen, and he pulled the suspension right out of his ass and posted it that night. When it turned out to be true the next afternoon the rumor mill ran wild about who the mysterious inside source must be.  I bring this guy up because the big story he was going to "break" this evening was that TB was lobbying hard to have JMD take over immediately. He's made clear that it was complete fiction.  Had he done it, though, it'd be regarded as gospel tomorrow as SI and ESPN ran with it. Easy to see how these sorts of things spread.

That's the one thing that makes no sense about the rumors; they all require a sea-change out of Brady to be true, and I just don't see that.  Unless Giselle really is the second coming of Yoko Ono, it really doesn't make sense that Brady is going to put in 20 years of hard time, only to upset the apple cart when he has a chance to really make history that hasn't been seen since George Blanda.   He's got the best coach of all time there, he's got one of the top five owners of all time there... Brady is a lot of things, but he's not stupid.   The one caveat:  I see Brady being smart enough and self aware enough to say "You trade my starting left tackle, and I retire", because he doesn't want or need to be "Michael Vick/Robert Griffen III" back there.  But not Gronk.   Yeah, he helps, and yeah, he changes the game for the Pats, but I have no doubt that Tom Brady knows their record with and without him on the field (at one point, they were 20-5 WITHOUT Gronkowki playing http://www.espn.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4808916/patriots-have-posted-20-5-record-in-games-without-rob-gronkowski)

I think we forget that Tom Brady has survived the losses of Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Corey Dillon, Aaron Hernandez, LeGarrett Blount (nine times), Nate Solder...  I get it, Gronk is one for the ages, but I don't see Brady making that his "Little Big Horn".
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New Orleans Saints
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 09, 2018, 01:07:54 PM
As far as the Mount Rushmore of the Saints, I think Jim Hasslett deserves some consideration.  He really made them contenders for a stretch there.  As a Rams fan I loved the rabid relationship between him and Martz.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New Orleans Saints
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 12, 2018, 07:51:24 AM
Today's team, the Seattle Seahawks!

1 League Championship (2013)

My Mount Rushmore would be Walter Jones, Steve Largent, Russell Wilson ,Earl Thomas

Honorable mention to Shaun Alexander, Patrick Kerney, Richard Sherman Bobby Wagner, Kam Chancellor and Beast Mode

Memorable games....All 3 Super Bowls were memorable for their own reasons. Matt Hasselbeck running his mouth after an OT cointoss against Green Bay in the playoffs. A wild shootout in Baltimore in 2003, and their NFC Playoff wins @Minnesota (Blair Walsh) and the NFC Championship games vs. SF and GB.


Loved their original uniforms and their 2002 overhaul.... 2012 Nike era? not so much, but I do like the highlighter green look.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQyt6BOawnNa9S7ltXJ7B_438yF0kz8jRuXEL7N2vtcKiO_9dcG)

(https://fanspeak.com/nfcwest/files/2013/06/Alexandershaun.jpg)

(https://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/images/2014-0202-Super-Bowl-XLVIII-Russell-Wilson-op6b-121958.jpg)

(http://s1.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/richard-sherman-reaction-to-malcolm-butler-interception.png)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Seattle Seahawks
Post by: kingshmegland on June 12, 2018, 09:00:07 AM
Man, I loved me some Zorn to Largent as a teen.  Lefty kid loving a lefty QB.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Seattle Seahawks
Post by: Stadler on June 12, 2018, 09:37:37 AM
The Seahawks; I remember as a kid collecting football cards and getting the Bucs and the Seahawks.  I think there were only about six or so cards for each team. 

My Mt. Rushmore:  Largent, Zorn, Alexander, and Wilson.    Boz gets an honorable mention just for being a dick.   I really don't like Lynch, so I put Alexander, and I'm not the hugest fan of Wilson, but he belongs there, no doubt.   I suppose I could put Thomas there instead, but...
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New Orleans Saints
Post by: pg1067 on June 12, 2018, 10:03:22 AM
Today's team, the Seattle Seahawks!

1 League Championship (2013)

My Mount Rushmore would be Walter Jones, Steve Largent, Russell Wilson ,Earl Thomas

Honorable mention to Shaun Alexander, Patrick Kerney, Richard Sherman Bobby Wagner, Kam Chancellor and Beast Mode

Memorable games....All 3 Super Bowls were memorable for their own reasons. Matt Hasselbeck running his mouth after an OT cointoss against Green Bay in the playoffs. A wild shootout in Baltimore in 2003, and their NFC Playoff wins @Minnesota (Blair Walsh) and the NFC Championship games vs. SF and GB.

Mt. Rushmore (hard to avoid recency bias here):  Steve Largent, Jim Zorn, Russell Wilson Jr. III and either Earl Thomas or Marshawn Lynch.

Memorable games are Super Bowls 48 (sadly) and 49.  I'll never forget the deflated feeling I had when it seemed that this obnoxious team was going to win two straight Super Bowls, following by bouncing off the couch when Malcolm Butler made the interception.  Can't think of any others, even though, for a while, the Hawks were a division "rival" of the Broncos, but they were never on the same level as the other AFC West teams.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Seattle Seahawks
Post by: Cool Chris on June 12, 2018, 10:22:09 AM
Best play in Seahawks history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSOPrwb-mQc (background 0:00-1:30, Play starts at 1:30)

Seattle is a fair-weather sports fan base. Not as much history as other cities who have had their teams for decades longer, lots of transplants who weren't born and raised here. It was crazy to see how you were essentially an outcast if you weren't a DIE-HARD FAN of the team in 2013, when 9 out of 10 fans couldn't have named 3 players from the SBXL team. And now the fanbase has not only dwindled, but has been fractured due to the characters of some of the players (and one particular ex-player).

Regarding 2018, the championship window is closed. Enjoy the division Rams.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Seattle Seahawks
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 12, 2018, 10:35:46 AM
Best play in Seahawks history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSOPrwb-mQc (background 0:00-1:30, Play starts at 1:30)

Weird... that link doesn't seem to go to Lynch's run against the Saints.  Although that was still pretty bad ass.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Seattle Seahawks
Post by: kingshmegland on June 12, 2018, 10:47:13 AM
That run sparked their run.  Put the Seahawks back on the map.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Seattle Seahawks
Post by: bosk1 on June 12, 2018, 10:49:24 AM
Best play in Seahawks history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSOPrwb-mQc (background 0:00-1:30, Play starts at 1:30)

:lol  Okay, yeah, that IS pretty cool.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Seattle Seahawks
Post by: dparrott on June 12, 2018, 09:09:49 PM


Regarding 2018, the championship window is closed. Enjoy the division Rams.

As long as one of them goes to the playoffs, I'm happy.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Seattle Seahawks
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 13, 2018, 06:58:28 AM
We'll stick with the NFC West, as we move on to the teams with 2 league championships. Today we discuss the longest running professional football team in the United States, and one of only two NFL charter members still playing today.

The Arizona Cardinals, formally known as the Chicago/St.Louis/Phoenix Cardinals
2 League Championships (1925, 1947)

I don't know much about their pre-Phoenix days, so my Mount Rushmore would be Larry Fitzgerald, Kurt Warner, Aeneas Williams & Pat Tillman

Their uniforms are okay. Not bad, not great. Much preferred their look in the 90s/early 00s. 

Memorable games for me were the Super Bowl, their two recent playoff games against the Packers. And "We let 'em off the hook" game against Chicago in 2006.

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/9f2c77c49ee5c8c5597ec74afecf329ec1d3fc20/r=540/https/media.gannett-cdn.com/arizonarepublic/brightcove/29901534001/201408/762/29901534001_3708867559001_aeneas-williams.jpg)

(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Kurt+Warner+Larry+Fitzgerald+Seattle+Seahawks+i2ar71UCUxpl.jpg)

(http://profootballspot.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/surprise-surprise-cardinals-david-johnson-ranked-no-1-fantasy-rb-arizona-cardinals-blog.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
Post by: Stadler on June 13, 2018, 08:02:05 AM
I like the unis in the middle picture best.  DO NOT like the ones in the bottom.

Mt. Rushmore:  Kurt Warner (one of my favorite NFL players ever), Larry Fitzgerald, Dan Dierdorff, Ottis Anderson.  Honorable mention:  Pat Tillman, Jim Hart, Terry Metcalf, Conrad Dobler (Lloyd Dobler's dad), Jackie Smith and Roger Wehrli.

Carson Palmer doesn't make the list, because the Cardinals team under Bruce Arians could have been great, but I just don't think Palmer answered the bell, frankly. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Seattle Seahawks
Post by: pg1067 on June 13, 2018, 11:11:29 AM
We'll stick with the NFC West, as we move on to the teams with 2 league championships. Today we discuss the longest running professional football team in the United States, and one of only two NFL charter members still playing today.

The Arizona Cardinals, formally known as the Chicago/St.Louis/Phoenix Cardinals
2 League Championships (1925, 1947)

I don't know much about their pre-Phoenix days, so my Mount Rushmore would be Larry Fitzgerald, Kurt Warner, Aeneas Williams & Pat Tillman

Their uniforms are okay. Not bad, not great. Much preferred their look in the 90s/early 00s. 

Memorable games for me were the Super Bowl, their two recent playoff games against the Packers. And "We let 'em off the hook" game against Chicago in 2006.

Mt. Rushmore:  Larry Fitzgerald, Kurt Warner, Patrick Peterson and Dan Dierdorf/Conrad Dobler.  Roger Wehrli would be another good one.  As for Tillman, sorry, but there's no way a guy who only played 3 3/4 seasons belongs on a "Mt. Rushmore."

Memorable game:  Super Bowl 43 and not much else, although I remember really liking the way the Cardinals offense played in the late 1970s.  Jim Hart throwing to guys like Mel Gray (I only saw Terry Metcalf for one season before he left for the CFL and then his one year with the Redskins after he returned).
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 13, 2018, 11:20:07 AM
Yeah... I spaced out on Peterson. He's better than Williams was.

And Pat Tillman deserves any love that he gets. Dude was a legit hero.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
Post by: pg1067 on June 13, 2018, 11:28:53 AM
And Pat Tillman deserves any love that he gets. Dude was a legit hero.

I'm hesitant to argue the point, and he deserves credit for what he was, but not for what he wasn't.  He had one slightly better than average season but was otherwise no better than an average player (and, again, one who played only 3 3/4 seasons and wasn't even a starter for half his career).
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 13, 2018, 11:45:14 AM
And Pat Tillman deserves any love that he gets. Dude was a legit hero.

I'm hesitant to argue the point, and he deserves credit for what he was, but not for what he wasn't.  He had one slightly better than average season but was otherwise no better than an average player (and, again, one who played only 3 3/4 seasons and wasn't even a starter for half his career).

You're right. If the  Mount Rushmore is just on the field ability and accomplishments, he doesn't make the cut for sure.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
Post by: KevShmev on June 13, 2018, 05:26:07 PM
Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
Post by: kingshmegland on June 13, 2018, 05:46:37 PM
Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?

Charles Haley?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
Post by: KevShmev on June 13, 2018, 05:48:41 PM
Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?

Charles Haley?

Eh, I think the Cowboys and 49ers franchises are way too storied for him to make it on either.

I thought about Deion Sanders, but there is no way I can put him on Dallas'. 

Apologies for jumping the gun on teams we have not discussed yet, DOC.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
Post by: El Barto on June 13, 2018, 06:32:07 PM
Morten Andersen. An argument could be made for Peyton.

I think the problem is that it says more about the team than it does the player. SF and Dallas have huge histories of great players. Arizona not so much. While it's definitely not a knock on Kurt Warner, he played on two teams with smaller stables of greats.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 13, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?

Charles Haley?

Eh, I think the Cowboys and 49ers franchises are way too storied for him to make it on either.

I thought about Deion Sanders, but there is no way I can put him on Dallas'. 

Apologies for jumping the gun on teams we have not discussed yet, DOC.

No need to apologize. Any discussion is welcome!

Morten Andersen. An argument could be made for Peyton.

I think the problem is that it says more about the team than it does the player. SF and Dallas have huge histories of great players. Arizona not so much. While it's definitely not a knock on Kurt Warner, he played on two teams with smaller stables of greats.

I agree with this. Depends on the teams. If Peyton Manning had led the Texans to a SB instead of going to Denver, he'd undoubtedly be on two Mount Rushmore.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
Post by: Stadler on June 14, 2018, 09:03:18 AM
Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?

Controversial pick to stimulate conversation:   Bill Romanowski.

Not controversial pick, but may not count because he's a coach:   Don Shula.

Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 14, 2018, 09:06:24 AM
Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?

Controversial pick to stimulate conversation:   Bill Romanowski.

Not controversial pick, but may not count because he's a coach:   Don Shula.

Shula's a great choice. Very important to both the Colts and the Dolphins.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
Post by: pg1067 on June 14, 2018, 09:09:12 AM
Morten Andersen. An argument could be made for Peyton.

I think the problem is that it says more about the team than it does the player. SF and Dallas have huge histories of great players. Arizona not so much. While it's definitely not a knock on Kurt Warner, he played on two teams with smaller stables of greats.

Not a good one.  Manning won't make the ring of honor in Denver, much less a hypothetical "Mt. Rushmore."

The relatively infrequency of player movement makes this a difficult question.  Without spending an inordinate amount of time on this, and other than the couple mentioned already, I also thought of Doug Williams, although putting him on the 'Skins' "Mt. Rushmore" would probably be a bit of a stretch.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
Post by: bosk1 on June 14, 2018, 09:17:44 AM
Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?

Controversial pick to stimulate conversation:   Bill Romanowski.

Not controversial pick, but may not count because he's a coach:   Don Shula.

Shula's a great choice. Very important to both the Colts and the Dolphins.

Yup.  Good call.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 14, 2018, 09:25:21 AM
Speaking of Shula......

Today's team, the Miami Dolphins
2 League Championships (1972, 1973)

Their perfect season is the stuff of legends. Marino was a monster in the 80s and just about all of the 90s. Since his departure, it's been bad times. A handful of playoff appearances and one playoff win that I can think of off the top of my head (over the Colts after the 2000 season).

My Mount Rushmore would be Don Shula, Dan Marino, Jason Taylor and Larry Csonka

Their classic uniforms are among my absolute favorite in professional sports history. Hate the modern tweaks.

Memorable games..... playoff games vs. the Chargers. A couple of regular season games vs. the Pats, particularly one in 2008 where they unveiled the "Wildcat".

As for the current Dolphins, I believe that they will have the worst record in the NFL in the upcoming season.

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/HIJ.aQmQa3lx11OgtqKHMA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en/homerun/feed_manager_auto_publish_494/8c80af5d900850bdf5af5594ae91cd7e)

(https://suntimesmedia.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/hall_of_fame_marino_37732866.jpg?w=763&h=639)

(https://cmgpbpdailydolphin.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/110616-spt-fins-jets-14-2.jpg)

(https://res.cloudinary.com/complex/image/upload/c_limit,w_680/fl_lossy,pg_1,q_auto/keiffqxyuyxslyszjmup.jpg)


 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
Post by: pg1067 on June 14, 2018, 09:39:10 AM
Speaking of Shula......

Today's team, the Miami Dolphins
2 League Championships (1972, 1973)

Their perfect season is the stuff of legends. Marino was a monster in the 80s and just about all of the 90s. Since his departure, it's been bad times. A handful of playoff appearances and one playoff win that I can think of off the top of my head (over the Colts after the 2000 season).

My Mount Rushmore would be Don Shula, Dan Marino, Jason Taylor and Larry Csonka

Their classic uniforms are among my absolute favorite in professional sports history. Hate the modern tweaks.

Memorable games..... playoff games vs. the Chargers. A couple of regular season games vs. the Pats, particularly one in 2008 where they unveiled the "Wildcat".

As for the current Dolphins, I believe that they will have the worst record in the NFL in the upcoming season.

Dan Marino and his GIANT shoulder pads!

Mt. Rushmore:  So many good ones that Marino is the only unassailable choice.  For the other three, I'll go with Bob Kuechenberg, Jake Scott and Larry Csonka.

Memorable games:  Super Bowls 7, 17 and 19 (7 was before my time but is notable for capping off the perfect season and for "Garo's Gaffe") and the 2OT playoff game against San Diego.  I rooted for the Dolphins in 17 and 19, mostly because I liked their style of play much better than that of the Redskins and 49ers.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Miami Dolphins
Post by: Stadler on June 14, 2018, 09:52:09 AM
Grudgingly, I think Destiny got it.   Honorable mention to Griese, Stephenson, Buoniconti, the Dick's (Scott and Anderson) and all those amazing offensive lineman they had back in the 70's/early 80's.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
Post by: romdrums on June 14, 2018, 03:02:49 PM


(https://res.cloudinary.com/complex/image/upload/c_limit,w_680/fl_lossy,pg_1,q_auto/keiffqxyuyxslyszjmup.jpg)

I legit laughed at this one.  Subtle but hilarious!!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Miami Dolphins
Post by: cramx3 on June 14, 2018, 03:05:17 PM
Love Ray Finkle  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Miami Dolphins
Post by: bosk1 on June 14, 2018, 03:07:36 PM
???
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Miami Dolphins
Post by: cramx3 on June 14, 2018, 03:14:56 PM
From the movie Ace Ventura.  Laces out!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Miami Dolphins
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 14, 2018, 03:36:45 PM
 :o
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Miami Dolphins
Post by: axeman90210 on June 14, 2018, 03:50:01 PM
Specifically came in here to say that Marino doesn't deserve to be on Mount Rushmore because he cost Miami a Super Bowl by not getting the laces out :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Miami Dolphins
Post by: kingshmegland on June 14, 2018, 07:23:32 PM
???

You have failed us. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Miami Dolphins
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 15, 2018, 11:16:53 AM
Up next is the other 2 Championship team,

The Baltimore Ravens
2 League Championships (2000, 2012)

My Mount Rushmore would be Ray Lewis, John Ogden, Ed Reed & Joe Flacco

Love the jerseys. Prefer the original helmet to the current one.

Lots of memorable games for me, being a fan from 1996-2017. Two great super bowls... big road playoff wins @Tennessee, New England and Denver. Jamal Lewis rushing for 295 yards in a game in 2003. Seeing them practically beat the perfect Pats in 2007 only to see Rex Ryan single handedly cost them the game.

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-C2Q6r-MO7qc/V9aQYeX0n_I/AAAAAAAALlc/7c1gk0RMwdkPrcyymeUWY-pe-UPNTkJ6gCLcB/s1600/Testaverde_Vinny4_Ravens.jpg)

(https://cbsbaltimore.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/ray_lewis_1.jpg?w=594&h=360&crop=1)

(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/baltimore-ravens-quarterback-joe-flacco-celebrates-his-70yard-pass-picture-id159368194)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-TAA87yvd-w/hqdefault.jpg)

Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Baltimore Ravens
Post by: KevShmev on June 15, 2018, 11:53:19 AM
I can’t put Flacco on there. Despite his postseason play in 2012, he’s never been anything more than an average at best nfl starter. I’d put Suggs on there over him.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Baltimore Ravens
Post by: El Barto on June 15, 2018, 12:20:16 PM
A picture of Ray Lewis stabbing somebody would have been better.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Miami Dolphins
Post by: pg1067 on June 15, 2018, 12:44:41 PM
Up next is the other 2 Championship team,

The Baltimore Ravens
2 League Championships (2000, 2012)

My Mount Rushmore would be Ray Lewis, John Ogden, Ed Reed & Joe Flacco

Love the jerseys. Prefer the original helmet to the current one.

Lots of memorable games for me, being a fan from 1996-2017. Two great super bowls... big road playoff wins @Tennessee, New England and Denver. Jamal Lewis rushing for 295 yards in a game in 2003. Seeing them practically beat the perfect Pats in 2007 only to see Rex Ryan single handedly cost them the game.

I despise this team...primarily because of Ray Lewis.

Mt. Rushmore:  Lewis, Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs and Joe Flacco (you could easily swap in Ogden for Flacco).

Memorable games (aside from the two Super Bowls):  the only one that comes to mind (sadly) is that 2013 playoff game in which Rahim Moore and the rest of the Broncos secondary decided to see if Flacco could hit an uncovered receiver 50 yards down the field (I assume that's the game where that picture came from).  I was so livid at that play!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Baltimore Ravens
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 15, 2018, 01:20:28 PM
A picture of Ray Lewis stabbing somebody would have been better.

Does such a picture exist?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Baltimore Ravens
Post by: max_security on June 15, 2018, 01:49:48 PM
I didn't expect the murder would  be mentioned when Ray's name came up . And the victim was a fine upstanding pillar of the community just minding his own business.

Ed Reed , the greatest safety to ever play. Lewis , Reed , Suggs , Ogden. Honorable mention to Matt Stover.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Baltimore Ravens
Post by: Dream Team on June 15, 2018, 02:06:22 PM
I can’t put Flacco on there. Despite his postseason play in 2012, he’s never been anything more than an average at best nfl starter. I’d put Suggs on there over him.

Agreed, Flacco is terrible and the worst QB in the league when you balance pay vs production. A lucky 3-qame stretch can’t put you on Rushmore.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Baltimore Ravens
Post by: Stadler on June 15, 2018, 02:10:51 PM
I'm indifferent to Ray Lewis.  I was living in Atlanta at the time (the site of the incident was reasonable driving distance from where my wife worked at the time, and we would on occasion hang out in that area, the "Buckhead" area of the city) and so it was a big deal.    Did he handle it right?   Not even close.  Did he ACTUALLY stab someone?  I tend to think not, given all the info that I've heard.  I don't know.  In the intervening 15 years or whatever, there have been a lot of incidents that sort of make this less than headline material, IMO.  On the field?  He's one of the best that ever played the game.   EVER. 

Mt. Rushmore:  Lewis, Reed, Suggs, Ogden, Flacco.    Flacco deserves to be there, but the other four are just SO good, how do you leave them off?    If I'm not allowed to squeeze the fifth Beatle on there, then it's the first four.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Baltimore Ravens
Post by: PowerSlave on June 15, 2018, 02:10:57 PM

Ed Reed , the greatest safety to ever play.

Jack Tatum, Ronnie Lott and Troy P. all dispute your claim. Don't get me wrong, he was awesome, but that's a bold statement.

The playoff games between this team and the Steelers were some of the most brutal, and memorable games for me.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Baltimore Ravens
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 18, 2018, 07:32:39 AM
Now we move on to the teams with 3 championships.

Today's team, the Oakland Raiders.

(https://officialpsds.com/imageview/76/vz/76vznk_large.png?1521316505)

3 League Championships (1976, 1980, 1983)

The Oakland Raiders, one of the most iconic franchises in the league.

My Mount Rushmore would be Al Davis, Gene Upshaw, Marcus Allen, and Tim Brown

Honorable mention to Stabler, Plunkett, Bo Jackson (who was trending towards a great career before his injury), Art Shell and John Madden

Their uniforms and helmets are classic and iconic.

Most of their memorable games were before my time, but I'll never forget the tuck rule game.

Now Jon Gruden is back in charge. We'll see if he can get the most out of Carr, Cooper and company and get the Raiders back on the right track.

(https://redzonereport.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/upshawoak196719818bh.jpg)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4LVUO6fKWu4/hqdefault.jpg)

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSizx8SPfxHi9Y2y98aMOFQWdy-UzN9Y2_4FjpBrcX4jVz-e3qW)

(https://bluepearlgirlsworld.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/mark_davis_raiders_dumb_and_dumber1.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Oakland Raiders
Post by: Stadler on June 18, 2018, 07:56:12 AM
I could EASILY do three Mt. Rushmores and still feel like I've left someone off....

For me:         Madden, Stadler, Tatum, Upshaw
Second tier:   Long, Otto, Biletnikoff, Branch
Third tier:      Plunkett, Allen, Guy, Shell
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Baltimore Ravens
Post by: pg1067 on June 18, 2018, 11:41:19 AM
Today's team, the Oakland Raiders.

As a Broncos fan, all I will say is RAIDERS SUCK!!!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Oakland Raiders
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 19, 2018, 02:00:28 PM
Speak of the devils......

Today's team, The Denver Broncos

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/81/63/d1/8163d1535b598f1dc13c06cbbed724eb.jpg)

3 League Championships (1997, 1998, 2015)

Mount Rushmore..... for me... John Elway, Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe, Von Miller (Completely torn between him and Gradishar).

Honorable Mentions.... plenty to choose from. Randy Gradishar, Pat Bowlen, Rod Smith, Tom Jackson

Uniforms..... wow.....really like their 1997-Current looks... but wow.... their Pre-1997s are amazing, with one of my most favorite helmets in NFL history.

Memorable games.... too many to count really. The Super Bowl win over the Packers. Tebow and Thomas beating the Steelers in OT in the Wild Card Round in 2011,  The 2012 playoff game against the Ravens, The regular season game (2013 or 2014?) against the Cowboys.... to name a few.

Class act franchise from the owner on down.  Never cared for Elways' choice to refuse to play for the Baltimore Colts... but it certainly worked out in his favor, and there's no denying his greatness.

(http://www.realvail.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/JohnElway-84490639-625x417.jpg)

(https://www.twincities.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/terrell-davis-mvp.jpg?w=461)

(https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/cam-von-miller.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1)

(https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/735/667/5f61f0f5c81e4988f33085c2261185a7_crop_exact.?w=900&h=600&q=75)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Denver Broncos
Post by: Stadler on June 19, 2018, 02:32:00 PM
John Elway, Terrell Davis, Von Miller, Tom Jackson.

There's a lot of good players in Broncos history, but the top four wasn't really that hard for me. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Denver Broncos
Post by: KevShmev on June 19, 2018, 05:20:25 PM
Easy picks for my Broncos: Elway, T.D, Sharpe and V. Miller.

Honorable mentions go to Peyton, Tom Jackson, Atwater, Champ Bailey and Rod Smith.  And my homer pick of Ed McCaffrey.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Denver Broncos
Post by: kingshmegland on June 19, 2018, 05:57:57 PM
Kev, Karl Mecklenburg?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Denver Broncos
Post by: PowerSlave on June 19, 2018, 06:20:35 PM
I've always wondered how Broncos fans view Dan Reeves. They were very successful under his leadership, couldn't quite go all the way.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Denver Broncos
Post by: KevShmev on June 19, 2018, 08:54:04 PM
Kev, Karl Mecklenburg?

He can go in the next tier.

I've always wondered how Broncos fans view Dan Reeves. They were very successful under his leadership, couldn't quite go all the way.

Very good coach, but there is no doubt that his conservative style prevented Elway from being as great as he could have been (and he was still one of the greatest).  And the fact that his teams got shellacked in all four Super Bowls he made (3 with the Broncos, 1 with the Falcons) does not reflect well on him.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Denver Broncos
Post by: kingshmegland on June 19, 2018, 09:04:12 PM
He was my favorite. He had a WWE Bob Backlund quality to him but damn a beast on the field.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Denver Broncos
Post by: jingle.boy on June 20, 2018, 06:23:56 AM
Easy picks for my Broncos: Elway, T.D, Sharpe and V. Miller.

Honorable mentions go to Peyton, Tom Jackson, Atwater, Champ Bailey and Rod Smith.  And my homer pick of Ed McCaffrey.


Gotta agree with this one word-for-word (other than the homer reason for Easy Ed).

Two of my favorite memories - one is giving it your all

(https://media.giphy.com/media/bh21XOwymItjO/giphy.gif)

The other ... not so much.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/7LvKweWhDhH0c/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Denver Broncos
Post by: romdrums on June 20, 2018, 07:12:59 AM
Stadler's gonna love that second .gif.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Denver Broncos
Post by: Stadler on June 20, 2018, 07:36:06 AM
I popped a bottle of champagne.  All you need to know about Cam Newton in one concise package. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Denver Broncos
Post by: jingle.boy on June 20, 2018, 07:49:55 AM
I popped a bottle of champagne.  All you need to know about Cam Newton in one concise package.

I can just imagine the thoughts in Cam's head...

"I can get it... I CAN GET IT!!!!  Nope, never mind"

(https://thumbs.newschoolers.com/index.php?src=http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh171/Rowengartner/272909002.gif&size=400x1000)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Denver Broncos
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 20, 2018, 12:49:04 PM
Today's team.... the Cleveland -> L.A. -> St. Louis -> L.A. Rams

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/rugrats/images/d/db/Los_Angeles_Rams_Logo.png/revision/latest?cb=20180113155602)

3 League Championships (1945, 1951, 1999)

My Mount Rushmore would be Merlin Olsen, Deacon Jones, Kurt Warner & Eric Dickerson  with apologies to Marshall Faulk, Orlando Pace and Isaac Bruce.  Aaron Donald is trending towards all-time too..... dude is a freak.

Love love love their Blue and yellow uniforms/helmets. Hate hate hate all other versions.

Memorable games for me...... Many of their playoff games from 99-03... particularly the two Super Bowls. More recently, the Fisher era upsets of Seattle and that wild game against Philly last year.

(https://espngrantland.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/grant_g_deacon_cr_64011.jpg?w=750)

(http://www.calisportsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/C4Q3aH3WcAARfOY.jpg)

(https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2018/02/03/bb9271b0-a001-406a-b6c7-c7dbfb5b95b9/thumbnail/770x433/cdc18c91060c3d4026627f0648089e70/2017-nfl-defensive-player-of-the-year-award-aaron-donald-rams-video.jpg)


Couldn't think of a particular funny picture for this team. Ah well!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The L.A. Rams
Post by: El Barto on June 20, 2018, 04:45:02 PM
This one makes me laugh.

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a5/24/f2/a524f2e8117f5dc022ed40aa326473ee.jpg)

I'm not sure who would get the axe, but I couldn't leave Faulk off of their Mt Rushmore.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The L.A. Rams
Post by: kingshmegland on June 20, 2018, 05:09:34 PM
You could leave him off for his bitching about spygate.  To this day.  Boo hoo.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The L.A. Rams
Post by: PowerSlave on June 20, 2018, 05:24:24 PM
Most memorable games has to be all three of their SB's.

Jack Youngblood playing with a broken leg against the Steelers. The Rams were up at halftime then Bradshaw and Stallworth started lighting it up in the 2nd half.

The Titans coming up one yard shy.

The Pats pummeling their speedsters, and then winning it with a kick.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The L.A. Rams
Post by: KevShmev on June 20, 2018, 06:07:00 PM
You could leave him off for his bitching about spygate.  To this day.  Boo hoo.

Are we leaving Tom Brady off New England's for benefiting from Spygate? :P
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The L.A. Rams
Post by: kingshmegland on June 20, 2018, 06:24:04 PM
You mean the rule inforced in 2007 and not 2001.  Faulk can cry me a river. Ha, Ha!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The L.A. Rams
Post by: KevShmev on June 20, 2018, 09:09:36 PM
Marshall Faulk is a pouter.  That is who he is.  I worked with a gal many years ago who hooked up with him and she said he was definitely a pouter.  He threw a fit once when they met up at a bar (both in groups) and she didn't give him her undivided attention. 

Still one of the best RBs ever, regardless.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The L.A. Rams
Post by: Stadler on June 20, 2018, 10:32:54 PM
Destinty's Mt. Rushmore works.   I might put Jack Youngblood in for Merlin Olsen.  We've got to mention Fred Dryer in here at some point too.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The L.A. Rams
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 21, 2018, 02:34:49 PM
Today's team, The Detroit Lions

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/369cc2679cf7619a67c62fc1198d24b32c95178a/c=0-8-1535-1162&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2017/02/01/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/636215536993483811-Lions-mark-RGB.jpg)

4 League Championships (1935, 1952, 1953, 1957)

My Mount Rushmore would be Barry Sanders, Calvin Johnson, Dick "Night Train' Lane & Bobby Layne

I like the uniforms and helmets. Not great, not bad.


Memorable games for me, loved watching Barry Sanders play football... also that Thanksgiving Game coin toss with the Steelers. Some decent regular season games along the way. Nothing too crazy.


(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/6/33/633c8dc8-f137-596e-9aa8-904d0f9883d3/5633c0c804b00.image.jpg)

(http://media.mlive.com/lions_impact/photo/19280932-standard.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Detroit Lions
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 21, 2018, 04:39:39 PM
Famous Jameis expected to be suspended
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Detroit Lions
Post by: El Barto on June 21, 2018, 05:43:42 PM
Well, if Lisa Friel says he guilty it's obviously true.  :rollin
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Detroit Lions
Post by: kaos2900 on June 22, 2018, 06:21:58 AM
Famous Jameis expected to be suspended

So he get's suspended 2 YEARS after he gropes someone? WTF? The guy was a douche in college and apparently hasn't changed.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Detroit Lions
Post by: Rattlehead on June 22, 2018, 06:28:49 AM
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/6g0HHhTwRGawBpot0kP0GSJ7C7s=/0x159:2039x1518/1200x800/filters:focal(0x159:2039x1518)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/30723917/83248777.0.jpg)

Can't forget that one  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Detroit Lions
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 22, 2018, 06:51:27 AM

Can't forget that one  :lol

Yes.....one of the funniest moments in NFL history. This angle shows the ref signaling safety why Orvloski (s/p) is still scanning the field. Jared Allen's reaction is priceless.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Detroit Lions
Post by: Stadler on June 22, 2018, 08:24:30 AM

Can't forget that one  :lol

Yes.....one of the funniest moments in NFL history. This angle shows the ref signaling safety why Orvloski (s/p) is still scanning the field. Jared Allen's reaction is priceless.

Orlovsky.   UConn guy!   Never would have called his longevity in the NFL.  I met him a couple times around the state when he was here, and always seemed a nice enough guy.  He went to the same high school as my dad (Shelton).  That part of the state ("The Valley") is HUGE for high school football (Shelton, Ansonia, Derby, Naugatuck...).  My uncle is 86 and he's been going to high school games for the better part of 50 years, maybe more. 


I like Destiny's Mt. Rushmore here, too.  Stealin' my thunder!   Honorable mention for Alex Karras, but only for his excellent acting skills  (Trivia:  what's his connection to this forum?  Or at least to a band that is likely the favorite band of the forum besides DT?)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Detroit Lions
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 22, 2018, 11:44:13 AM
No clue on that trivia.


Today's team, the most recent winners of the Super Bowl, the Philadelphia Eagles

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTyiB0eKwX3vV84xeuM9E7FRKAG3VWi-hsmEr_932ql3u6CtAC4)



4 League Championships (1948, 1949, 1960, 2017)


My Mount Rushmore would be Steve Van Buren, Reggie White, Chuck Bednarik & Brian Dawkins.  Carson Wentz certainly has potential to crack the top 4 in a decade or so... but let's be real... he has a chance to be the GOAT. Time will tell.


Love the uniforms. Love the Kelly green throwbacks as well. Helmet is one of the coolest in the league.


Memorable games....too many to count. The 4 NFC Championship games in a row... both of the SBs against New England... the nail biter against Atlanta and the destruction of Minnesota en route to the SB.  The MNF game where Desean Jackson dropped the football in celebration prior to crossing the goalline. The game I went to against the Ravens in 2016 where a then rookie Carson Wentz had a gutsy performance and the team elected to go for 2 instead of playing for OT.

(https://thumbor.247sports.com/gDLx6oG0W6LMOpIQdt_L1ic8c1M=/0x0/top/Uploads/Assets/15/359/5359015.jpg)

(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/reggie-white-of-the-philadelphia-eagles-sacks-joe-montana-of-the-san-picture-id51763516)

(http://media.phillyvoice.com/media/images/USATSI_10364858.207bdc07.fill-735x490.jpg)

(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j141/ECKoolAid/lolsports/fail-adelphia.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Philadelphia Eagles
Post by: kingshmegland on June 22, 2018, 12:32:06 PM
One kick ass team right now.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Philadelphia Eagles
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 23, 2018, 03:25:32 PM
Something else that could be fun to do after the team a day thing winds down.

DTF ranks the NFL QBs.

Send me a PM with your list of NFL QBs as you would rank them based on how good you think they are as of right now (assuming the injured ones are recovered by the regular season). You can list 10, 20 or how ever many you want. I'll give each QB points based on how they rank on your list and I'll rank them up and  we'll count them down. If fun feel free to send me a list. If lame, no biggie.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Philadelphia Eagles
Post by: cramx3 on June 23, 2018, 03:48:47 PM
One kick ass team right now.

Pains me to agree with this
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Philadelphia Eagles
Post by: KevShmev on June 23, 2018, 04:49:52 PM
Something else that could be fun to do after the team a day thing winds down.

DTF ranks the NFL QBs.

Send me a PM with your list of NFL QBs as you would rank them based on how good you think they are as of right now (assuming the injured ones are recovered by the regular season). You can list 10, 20 or how ever many you want. I'll give each QB points based on how they rank on your list and I'll rank them up and  we'll count them down. If fun feel free to send me a list. If lame, no biggie.

Blake Bortles is number 1 and everyone else is fighting for 2nd place.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Philadelphia Eagles
Post by: max_security on June 23, 2018, 05:25:47 PM
I wish profootballmock was still up , they had a quarterbacks on Facebook thing that they did every week or 2 that was quite entertaining. There is some good material for this at the moment.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Philadelphia Eagles
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 23, 2018, 06:01:57 PM
I wish profootballmock was still up , they had a quarterbacks on Facebook thing that they did every week or 2 that was quite entertaining. There is some good material for this at the moment.

I recall a lot of those being linked here over the past few years. Some were funny. Others, not so much.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Philadelphia Eagles
Post by: PowerSlave on June 24, 2018, 12:36:33 AM
Something else that could be fun to do after the team a day thing winds down.

DTF ranks the NFL QBs.

Send me a PM with your list of NFL QBs as you would rank them based on how good you think they are as of right now (assuming the injured ones are recovered by the regular season). You can list 10, 20 or how ever many you want. I'll give each QB points based on how they rank on your list and I'll rank them up and  we'll count them down. If fun feel free to send me a list. If lame, no biggie.

This is an awesome idea. Be sure to remind us around the time that you want to do it, and I'll be sure to participate.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Philadelphia Eagles
Post by: kingshmegland on June 24, 2018, 06:09:33 AM
Something else that could be fun to do after the team a day thing winds down.

DTF ranks the NFL QBs.

Send me a PM with your list of NFL QBs as you would rank them based on how good you think they are as of right now (assuming the injured ones are recovered by the regular season). You can list 10, 20 or how ever many you want. I'll give each QB points based on how they rank on your list and I'll rank them up and  we'll count them down. If fun feel free to send me a list. If lame, no biggie.

Blake Bortles is number 1 and everyone else is fighting for 2nd place.


You mean Bane Bortles?


(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/750x400q90/923/RdmMuL.png) (http://imageshack.com/f/pnRdmMuLp)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Philadelphia Eagles
Post by: KevShmev on June 24, 2018, 06:54:18 AM
Please do not mock the eventual GOAT.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Philadelphia Eagles
Post by: kingshmegland on June 24, 2018, 06:56:41 AM
I made that last year and Twitter loved it. Lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Philadelphia Eagles
Post by: KevShmev on June 24, 2018, 07:00:11 AM
Twitter is full of heathens, so I am not surprised.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Philadelphia Eagles
Post by: kingshmegland on June 24, 2018, 07:12:21 AM
The internet is full of heathens.  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Philadelphia Eagles
Post by: axeman90210 on June 24, 2018, 10:37:02 AM
Something else that could be fun to do after the team a day thing winds down.

DTF ranks the NFL QBs.

Send me a PM with your list of NFL QBs as you would rank them based on how good you think they are as of right now (assuming the injured ones are recovered by the regular season). You can list 10, 20 or how ever many you want. I'll give each QB points based on how they rank on your list and I'll rank them up and  we'll count them down. If fun feel free to send me a list. If lame, no biggie.

Blake Bortles is number 1 and everyone else is fighting for 2nd place.


You mean Bane Bortles?


(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/750x400q90/923/RdmMuL.png) (http://imageshack.com/f/pnRdmMuLp)

You merely adopted mediocrity. I was born in it, molded by it.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Philadelphia Eagles
Post by: kingshmegland on June 24, 2018, 11:30:47 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Philadelphia Eagles
Post by: Stadler on June 24, 2018, 12:20:00 PM
My Mt. Rushmore:   Reggie White, Chuck Bednarik, Harold Carmicheal, Norm Van Brocklin.  Honorable mention to Bill Bergey and Duce Staley (because I love his name).


Alex Karras trivia answer (which no one cares about): He played "Mongo" in Blazing Saddles ("Anagram (For Mongo)" by Rush is named for a scene in Blazing Saddles involving Karras). 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Philadelphia Eagles
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 24, 2018, 06:08:34 PM
Something else that could be fun to do after the team a day thing winds down.

DTF ranks the NFL QBs.

Send me a PM with your list of NFL QBs as you would rank them based on how good you think they are as of right now (assuming the injured ones are recovered by the regular season). You can list 10, 20 or how ever many you want. I'll give each QB points based on how they rank on your list and I'll rank them up and  we'll count them down. If fun feel free to send me a list. If lame, no biggie.

This is an awesome idea. Be sure to remind us around the time that you want to do it, and I'll be sure to participate.

Feel free to message me your rankings whenever you'd like. I'd be looking to start the countdown once the team a day thing winds.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Philadelphia Eagles
Post by: Dream Team on June 25, 2018, 04:55:21 AM
I’ll jump the gun because I know who’s next alphabetically and I don’t want to miss the discussion.

I love Terry Bradshaw, but he’s in the Hall of Fame for basically 2 games, Super Bowl XIII and Super Bowl XIV. Not to mention few QBs in history were helped more by their defense and running game. I have to put Ben ahead of him.

Trying to avoid an anti-recency bias here - on a more controversial note, I might have to put Antonio Brown ahead of Franco Harris. Brown still has many great years ahead of him, and Franco was never considered the best in the league with OJ, Walter Payton, etc.

So my Mount Rushmore is Roethlisberger, Brown, Mean Joe Greene, and Jack Lambert. Extremely difficult to leave out Swann, Stallworth, Hines, Rod Woodson, James Harrison, Troy Polamalu plus a bunch of other Hall of Fame defensive players and O-Linemen.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Philadelphia Eagles
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 25, 2018, 10:03:20 AM
Today's team: The Cleveland Browns

(https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/helmet_top_center1.png?w=1000)

4 League Championships (1950, 1954, 1955, 1964)

My Mount Rushmore would be  Jim Brown, Paul Brown, Otto Graham, Lou Groza with apologies to Joe Thomas


Uniforms.... wow.... don't mind the classic look from the 80s-96... I mean nothing to exciting... but much better than the duds they rolled out a couple of years ago.

Memorable game for me.... the two AFCC games vs. Denver.....


Browns are getting their crap together. Expect them to be a playoff team in the next 2 years or so.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSUWXQZaYVljhdqG1ymhrsgpNn1ojdxkLOpI1SYK3gvuMpcGMQ7)

(http://www.photofile.com/Original/AA/QW/aaqw051.jpg)

(https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/image?url=https%3A%2F%2F12thmanrising.com%2Ffiles%2F2016%2F09%2F9521170-joe-thomas-nfl-preseason-cleveland-browns-tampa-bay-buccaneers.jpg&c=sc&w=850&h=560)

(https://www.ohio.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/5af9bedd03f22-837x1024.jpg)

Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Cleveland Browns
Post by: kaos2900 on June 25, 2018, 12:37:03 PM
I thought the Browns were going to be much improved last year and they didn't win a game. Their immediate future depends on Mayfield panning out.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Cleveland Browns
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 25, 2018, 12:43:21 PM
I thought the Browns were going to be much improved last year and they didn't win a game. Their immediate future depends on Mayfield panning out.

Not necessarily. Tyrod Taylor was able to get the Bills to the playoffs last year with arguably a worse team than Cleveland currently has on paper.  Now we'll see if that pans out or not.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Cleveland Browns
Post by: Stadler on June 25, 2018, 01:50:43 PM
My Mt. Rushmore:  Jim Brown, Otto Graham, Joe Thomas, and Bernie Kozar, with honorable mention to Ozzie Newsom and Paul Warfield.

If you're counting on Tyrod Taylor, you better not be too invested in your outcome.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Cleveland Browns
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 25, 2018, 02:37:17 PM
My Mt. Rushmore:  Jim Brown, Otto Graham, Joe Thomas, and Bernie Kozar, with honorable mention to Ozzie Newsom and Paul Warfield.

If you're counting on Tyrod Taylor, you better not be too invested in your outcome.

I'm thinking 4-6 wins this year.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Cleveland Browns
Post by: Cool Chris on June 25, 2018, 04:12:24 PM
Not necessarily. Tyrod Taylor was able to get the Bills to the playoffs last year with arguably a worse team than Cleveland currently has on paper. 

Games aren't played on paper. There are played by little men inside our TV sets.

Chalk it up, right here and now: Browns won't make the playoffs for the next 5 years.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Cleveland Browns
Post by: Stadler on June 25, 2018, 06:31:21 PM
I  wouldn't bet against that on a, well, bet. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Cleveland Browns
Post by: KevShmev on June 25, 2018, 06:35:26 PM
As a Broncos fan, I want Ernest Byner on the Browns Mt Rushmore. :hat
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Cleveland Browns
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 25, 2018, 09:08:56 PM
Not necessarily. Tyrod Taylor was able to get the Bills to the playoffs last year with arguably a worse team than Cleveland currently has on paper. 

Games aren't played on paper. There are played by little men inside our TV sets.

Chalk it up, right here and now: Browns won't make the playoffs for the next 5 years.

Why? Because they're the Browns? That sort of close-minded thinking gets debunked many times in sports, especially recently in the NFL with the Rams and Jaguars stunning turnarounds.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Cleveland Browns
Post by: PowerSlave on June 25, 2018, 09:44:49 PM
As a Broncos fan, I want Ernest Byner on the Browns Mt Rushmore. :hat

Da Fumble!!!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Cleveland Browns
Post by: Cool Chris on June 25, 2018, 09:51:45 PM
Chalk it up, right here and now: Browns won't make the playoffs for the next 5 years.

Why? Because they're the Browns?

Precisely :)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Cleveland Browns
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on June 26, 2018, 09:34:16 AM
Not necessarily. Tyrod Taylor was able to get the Bills to the playoffs last year with arguably a worse team than Cleveland currently has on paper. 

Games aren't played on paper. There are played by little men inside our TV sets.

Chalk it up, right here and now: Browns won't make the playoffs for the next 5 years.

Why? Because they're the Browns? That sort of close-minded thinking gets debunked many times in sports, especially recently in the NFL with the Rams and Jaguars stunning turnarounds.

Or look at the Golden Knights in hockey. They were supposed to be terrible as a first year team but they made it all the way to the finals. Trends get set so that they can be bucked.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Cleveland Browns
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 26, 2018, 11:59:36 AM
They would need a LOT of luck to replicate the Golden Knight's success.

Speaking of Luck... today's team is the Indianapolis Colts

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRbW35mWhTKaWdFUdnjW9t5o4kPEMMgx8_94n_yOzTgmBQAShdH)

4 League Championships (1958, 1959, 1970, 2006)


My Mount Rushmore would be  Johnny Unitas, Peyton Manning, Gino Marchetti & Dwight Freeney. Apologies to Raymond Berry and Marvin Harrison


Love the uniforms and helmets. Classic and clean.


Memorable games.... before my time... but the '58 NFL Championship and SB III. Games I remember all of the Pats/Colts playoff games from the Brady/Manning era. A couple of Colts/Chargers games. The Colts/Chiefs wild card game from a few years ago.


(https://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/si/2010/football/nfl/12/09/johnny.u/Jo/hn/ny/Johnny.Unitas.jpg)

(https://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/2016/01/24/peyton-manning-super-bowl-colts-bears.jpg)

(https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/01/06/luck062way-22a09fac78bc70d9984a9705f030a5a7b2eebfb2-s900-c85.jpg)

Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Indianapolis Colts
Post by: kingshmegland on June 26, 2018, 12:31:21 PM
The Queen and I 2007. Pats at Indy.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/750x500q90/922/Vlg6Zt.jpg) (http://imageshack.com/f/pmVlg6Ztj)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Indianapolis Colts
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 26, 2018, 02:27:33 PM
The Queen and I 2007. Pats at Indy.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/750x500q90/922/Vlg6Zt.jpg) (http://imageshack.com/f/pmVlg6Ztj)

If memory serves me right....that was something like a  9-0 vs 9-0 matchup
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Indianapolis Colts
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 26, 2018, 02:29:26 PM
And memory was off... 8-0 vs. 7-0.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Indianapolis Colts
Post by: kingshmegland on June 26, 2018, 02:39:45 PM
Yeah, it was so damn loud in there.  Almost ear piercing.  We had a great time thanks to our friends who had season tickets.  The stunned sound when Moss went over the middle making a one handed catch was fun to hear.  I had a lot of colts fans tell my wife and I we were really nice for being Pats fans. :lol

after the game it was dead silence and I had so many people calling me from home screaming into the phone.  I was responding really quiet, almost monotone. They were like, "Why are you quiet"?  I said, I can't be loud right now.  then they got i was walking back to the car with Colts fans and I didn't want to yelp it up.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Indianapolis Colts
Post by: max_security on June 26, 2018, 03:32:27 PM
Mt. Rushmore would be something like Art Donovan , Johnny U , Bert Jones , Lydell Mitchel for the Baltimore Colts ( because their the only names I can think of at the moment lol ). Having Johnny U mentioned here is like having Ed Reed mentioned with the Browns. Johnny U did not want to be associated with the Indianapolis team , all of his old stuff is at Camden Yards ( and a statue at " The Bank " where the Ravens play ).
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Indianapolis Colts
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 26, 2018, 04:35:12 PM
Mt. Rushmore would be something like Art Donovan , Johnny U , Bert Jones , Lydell Mitchel for the Baltimore Colts ( because their the only names I can think of at the moment lol ). Having Johnny U mentioned here is like having Ed Reed mentioned with the Browns. Johnny U did not want to be associated with the Indianapolis team , all of his old stuff is at Camden Yards ( and a statue at " The Bank " where the Ravens play ).

I get that. I've rubbed his cleats prior to entering M&T Bank. But the fact remains that the Colts history and records went with the franchise to Indy, regardless of how the players or anyone else felt  I'm glad that they got it right in keeping the Browns records in Cleveland.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Indianapolis Colts
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 27, 2018, 12:55:42 PM
Moving on to the 3 teams with 5 Championships.


The San Francisco 49ers

5 League Championships (1981, 1984, 1988, 1989, 1994)

Mount Rushmore,  Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Ronnie Lott, Bill Walsh


Uniforms and helmets are incredible... among the league's best.


Memorable games.... the first game I remember watching live was the 55-10 SF win over Denver in the Super Bowl. Memorable games for me since then, that Wild Card game against the Giants in 2002, Kaepernick's coming out party against the Packers in 2012 and the recent clashes with Seattle. Memorable Moments.... T.O.....


(https://s3.amazonaws.com/freebiesupply/large/2x/san-francisco-49ers-logo-transparent.png)

(https://thesportspressbox.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/montana-rice.jpg)

(https://cdn.chatsports.com/cache/d0/55/d05538e1bb052c69c343d8dac9fa6022-original.jpg)

(https://alltalksports.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/to-uses-a-sharpie.jpg?w=237&h=288)

(https://usat49erswire.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/gettyimages-898123556.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1)




Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The San Francisco 49ers
Post by: bosk1 on June 27, 2018, 01:07:50 PM
I really like your Mt. Rushmore and your memorable moments/games.  I was prepared to have to make a case for Ronnie being part of it because I think including him is a must.  Bill Walsh wasn't on my personal list simply because I wasn't thinking in terms of including coaches.  But upon seeing him in your list, I fully agree about including him.  The championship era was profoundly impacted by what he built.  In fact, I would go farther and say that the way football was played in the '80s and beyond was profoundly impacted by what he built.  So great insight in including him.  The only thing I will say is that it somehow feels wrong and shortsighted to only include players from that championship period.  But, again, in actually looking at the names, I can't argue against it either.

I had the luxury and good fortune of becoming an NFL and 49ers fan toward the end of the SB XV season.  What that meant was that the following season, which was the first FULL season that I paid attention to the NFL, I got to witness seeing a team that wasn't really on most people's radars rise to not only become champions, but also become the beginning of a dynasty.  Admittedly, it kinda spoiled me and made me feel a bit entitled as a sports fan.  But it was also so much fun to see and live through.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The San Francisco 49ers
Post by: Grappler on June 27, 2018, 01:08:41 PM
I remember being a kid and thinking that Joe Montana was the coolest guy in the world, even before I was a big football fan.

Kudos to Garappolo - he went to my high school, played at Eastern Illinois University where he broke Tony Romo's records, and after a few years of backing up one of the best QB's to ever play the game, is now a starting QB for the 49ers and making HUGE money.  It's awesome to see a local kid make it in the big leagues.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The San Francisco 49ers
Post by: kingshmegland on June 27, 2018, 01:32:36 PM
It was "The Catch" that made me a SF fan.  I hated on Dallas because of a neighbor that loved every team but the locals just to be different and Dallas was his team.  Of course the catch and the win helped me rag on him so I instantly became a SF fan. :lol

The hate is strong in me.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The San Francisco 49ers
Post by: bosk1 on June 27, 2018, 01:36:49 PM
Hey, if one game/play can make someone a fan of a team, that's got to be one of the most appropriate games/plays for that, so no argument from me.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The San Francisco 49ers
Post by: kingshmegland on June 27, 2018, 01:39:11 PM
Hey, if one game/play can make someone a fan of a team, that's got to be one of the most appropriate games/plays for that, so no argument from me.

I was 13.  Hormones got the best of me. :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The San Francisco 49ers
Post by: PowerSlave on June 27, 2018, 02:06:55 PM
Someone that should get an honorable mention is Roger Craig. I always thought that he was the perfect RB for that team/system.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The San Francisco 49ers
Post by: kingshmegland on June 27, 2018, 02:15:28 PM
When I played tackle football with my buddies, they had 2 nicknames for me,  one was Riggins for John Riggins and the other was Rathman for Tom Rathman.  I never tried to sidestep a tackle. I always tried to blow up the defender like those two players did so I've always loved #44.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The San Francisco 49ers
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on June 27, 2018, 05:21:03 PM
Welp...seeing I missed my teams day, I can at least hit the team I like the absolute least!

Niners Mt Rushmore...

Montana
Rice
Young
Craig
Lott
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The San Francisco 49ers
Post by: KevShmev on June 27, 2018, 05:27:30 PM
I only put players on there (not owners or coaches), so this was easy:

Rice
Montana
Young
Lott
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The San Francisco 49ers
Post by: El Barto on June 27, 2018, 05:34:02 PM
I only put players on there (not owners or coaches), so this was easy:

Rice
Montana
Young
Lott

Same here, though I might want Haley in Young's spot. Tough call.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The San Francisco 49ers
Post by: Rattlehead on June 27, 2018, 05:45:28 PM
When I think of the 9ers it makes me miss Jim Harbaugh being in the NFL, he's an awesome coach and was so entertaining to watch  :lol I think it's a shame that he's not coaching in the NFL any more. In my opinion he's good enough to turn almost any team in the NFL into a contender, just look at what he did with the 9ers in his first year...
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The San Francisco 49ers
Post by: lonestar on June 27, 2018, 07:29:39 PM
Hard to argue with Rice, Montana, Lott and Walsh. Any talk of Niner greats has to begin with them.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The San Francisco 49ers
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 28, 2018, 08:06:42 AM
Certainly feel free to keep talking about the great 49ers franchise, but I've got to get today's entry in a bit earlier than usual.

Today's team, The Washington Redskins

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/freebiesupply/large/2x/washington-redskins-football-logo.png)

5 League Championships (1937, 1942, 1982, 1987, 1991)


My Mount Rushmore... Sammy Baugh, Darrell Green, John Riggins, Art Monk


Uniforms are decent. I do like the white jerseys over the burgundy ones.

Memorable games.... not too many since their SB days.

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/john-riggins-washington-redskins-former-rb-image-taken-color-slide-73754750.jpg)

(http://www.talkoffamenetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/GreenDarrell-e1480444015877.jpg)

(https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/usp_nfl__preseason-cleveland_browns_at_washington_66571796.jpg?w=1000&h=773)


Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Washington Redskins
Post by: max_security on June 28, 2018, 02:14:53 PM
My neighbors dad was an avid Skins fan and I loved going over there on Sundays to watch him drink beer and cuss Billy Kilmer , lol. After the Colts rolled out I tried to be a Redskins fan but I just could never really get on board ( and they were a decent team ). I remember going to a Capitols game and Charles Mann , Dexter Manley , and Mark Rippon ( spelling sorry I'm not looking this up now ) were there at the game , man those guys are huge you just don't realize till you stand close to them. They have always missed with me , heart or integrity or something like that the Baltimore ( and some other ) teams projected , they are just like " as a matter of fact " kind of attitude still to this day ( Joe Gibbs perhaps ) . Damn they had a hell of an O Line though ( " The Hogs " ).
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Washington Redskins
Post by: Stadler on June 28, 2018, 03:56:20 PM
Late to the party; sorry, work trip.

Colts: Johnny U., Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Raymond Berry (Freeney and Saturday as honorable mentions)
49ers: Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Ronnie Lott, Y.A. Tittle (not kidding). (Young, Craig, Haley and Clark as honorable mentions)
Skins:  There's actually too many; Joe Theisman, Sonny Jurgenson, John Riggins, Darrell Green (Honorable mention to Monk, Jacoby, Grimm, Houston, Bailey, Hanburger, Moseley)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Washington Redskins
Post by: pg1067 on June 28, 2018, 05:49:51 PM
I missed a bunch as a result of being on vacation and catching up at the office.

Broncos:  Elway, Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe, Steve Atwater (honorable mention to Von Miller, Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey, Karl Mecklenburg and Randy Gradishar)

Rams:  Kurt Warner, Isaac Bruce, Jackie Slater, Deacon Jones (honorable mention to Marshall Faulk, Jack Youngblood, Wendell Tyler, Rosie Greer, Lamar Lundy and Merlin Olson)

Lions:  Barry Sanders, Matt Stafford, Calvin Johnson, Dick Lane

Eagles:  Bill Bergey, Chuck Bednarik, Reggie White, Donovan McNabb

Browns:  Jim Brown, Otto Graham, Ozzie Newsome, Paul Warfield

Colts:  Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Johnny Unitas, Raymond Berry

49ers:  Montana, Rice, Lott, Young

Redskins:  Sammy Baugh, Art Monk, Chris Hanburger, Darrell Green
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Washington Redskins
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on June 29, 2018, 11:23:34 AM
Now it's time for America's Team (oh boy).

The Dallas Cowboys
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Dallas_Cowboys.svg/2000px-Dallas_Cowboys.svg.png)
5 League Championships (1971, 1977, 1992, 1993, 1995)

My Mount Rushmore would be Emmitt Smith, Roger Staubach, Larry Allen & Tom Landry

Uniforms are a complete mess. The helmets however are incredible.

Memorable games...... recently, Romo vs. Manning in 2013 and Dez Dropping it in Green Bay.


(https://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/images/staubach_inline_1.jpg)

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.charitybuzz.com/images/321742/original.jpeg?1511368637)

(http://images.performgroup.com/di/library/omnisport/64/6a/prescott-elliott-112416-usnews-getty-ftr_6elavpvalfz01uw7mku6x260i.jpg?t=-1732079448&w=960&quality=70)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Dallas Cowboys
Post by: El Barto on June 29, 2018, 12:58:44 PM
Emmitt, Irvin, Staubach, Randy White. I went with these four because each one of them would take over a game and win it single-handed, and they were dominant at their position at the time they played.

Honorable mentions could fill a book. Obviously Larry Allen. Harvey Martin, Aikman, Dorsett, Everson Walls, Haley, and Bob Lilly are all strong candidates, as well.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Dallas Cowboys
Post by: Stadler on June 29, 2018, 01:33:00 PM
Emmitt, Irvin, Staubach, Randy White. I went with these four because each one of them would take over a game and win it single-handed, and they were dominant at their position at the time they played.

Honorable mentions could fill a book. Obviously Larry Allen. Harvey Martin, Aikman, Dorsett, Everson Walls, Haley, and Bob Lilly are all strong candidates, as well.

I'd swap out Aikman for Irvin, but that's a good list with a soundproof rationale.  (Might add Ed "Too Tall" Jones to the honorable mention, though, and if we ever name coaches, Landry has to be there.)   

Funny story about Bob Lilly.   Three buddies went to a card signing show (one is the real collector, the other two went along for the beer/ride).    They go into the hotel bar after the show, and who walks in but Bob Lilly.   My buddy had gotten a football signed by him (he's a life-long Cowboys fan) and when Lilly sat down next to them Mike showed him the ball, said thanks and offered to buy him a beer.   Lilly ended up sitting with them for about a half an hour, and Mike says "we're going to get some steaks, you're welcome to join us" and Lilly says "I'd love to but I'm committed to go with the promoter of the show and Steve (Carlton, the other big name from the show).  I'll stop in on the way back and if you're here, we can pick up the conversation". 

Anyway, so Carlton walks in about ten, fifteen minutes later and comes up to Lilly and my other friend says "Steve Carlton?  He's my favorite player of all time!" so Mike pulls out a ball and says "well, here you go."  So my friend goes around and says "Mr. Carlton, I wasn't at the show, but I grew up a Phillies fan and you're my favorite player, yadda yadda".  Carlton says "Guy, I'm sorry, I've been signing all day, and I'm supposed to only sign for paying customers and..." and Lilly turns to him and says "Steve, shut up and sign the fucking ball."   "Yes, Bob."   

Really, genuinely seemed to appreciate being recognized and valued by a fan (it was clear that Mike wasn't doing this to put shit on eBay, which is a big problem for these guys).
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Dallas Cowboys
Post by: El Barto on June 29, 2018, 02:34:31 PM
Emmitt, Irvin, Staubach, Randy White. I went with these four because each one of them would take over a game and win it single-handed, and they were dominant at their position at the time they played.

Honorable mentions could fill a book. Obviously Larry Allen. Harvey Martin, Aikman, Dorsett, Everson Walls, Haley, and Bob Lilly are all strong candidates, as well.

I'd swap out Aikman for Irvin, but that's a good list with a soundproof rationale.  (Might add Ed "Too Tall" Jones to the honorable mention, though, and if we ever name coaches, Landry has to be there.)   

Funny story about Bob Lilly.   Three buddies went to a card signing show (one is the real collector, the other two went along for the beer/ride).    They go into the hotel bar after the show, and who walks in but Bob Lilly.   My buddy had gotten a football signed by him (he's a life-long Cowboys fan) and when Lilly sat down next to them Mike showed him the ball, said thanks and offered to buy him a beer.   Lilly ended up sitting with them for about a half an hour, and Mike says "we're going to get some steaks, you're welcome to join us" and Lilly says "I'd love to but I'm committed to go with the promoter of the show and Steve (Carlton, the other big name from the show).  I'll stop in on the way back and if you're here, we can pick up the conversation". 

Anyway, so Carlton walks in about ten, fifteen minutes later and comes up to Lilly and my other friend says "Steve Carlton?  He's my favorite player of all time!" so Mike pulls out a ball and says "well, here you go."  So my friend goes around and says "Mr. Carlton, I wasn't at the show, but I grew up a Phillies fan and you're my favorite player, yadda yadda".  Carlton says "Guy, I'm sorry, I've been signing all day, and I'm supposed to only sign for paying customers and..." and Lilly turns to him and says "Steve, shut up and sign the fucking ball."   "Yes, Bob."   

Really, genuinely seemed to appreciate being recognized and valued by a fan (it was clear that Mike wasn't doing this to put shit on eBay, which is a big problem for these guys).
Irvin was a revolutionary player to some extent. Aikman was a very good quarterback on quite possibly the most talented team ever assembled. He didn't reinvent the position or change the way teams ran their secondary. I gave Staubach the edge because A: he was the ultimate competitor, and B: he was exceptional for his entire career, playing for very different teams.

My old man worked with Staubach on a few occasions (I've sat in his box at Stars games). His take on the man was that he was absolutely, utterly and completely humorless, and that he was still the most competitive guy you'll ever meet. I never met him but he did wave at me once when I stopped and let him walk across the street.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Dallas Cowboys
Post by: PowerSlave on June 29, 2018, 04:29:45 PM
Most of us here are way too young to remember, but the two super bowls against the Steelers were great games. I re-watched the games on NFL network a few years ago.

SBX the Cowboys were up 10-7 going into the 4th quarter. The Steelers scored two touchdowns, and the Cowboys answered back with one and were driving, but Staubach threw an interception in the end zone as time expired.

SBXIII featured 14 hall of fame players between the two teams. The game is also the only time in NFL history to feature two QB's with two SB rings each. The final score was 35-31 in a game where both QB's were very impressive for that era.

Then there was "The Catch" game against the 49ers.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Dallas Cowboys
Post by: pg1067 on June 29, 2018, 05:59:52 PM
Not sure I can do only four for the Cowboys....

If I go with one QB, one RB, one WR, and one defensive player (which is totally ridiculous because, among other things, it excludes all of the great Cowboys' offensive linemen), I think I have to go with:

Roger Staubach > Troy Aikman
Emmett Smith > Tony Dorsett
Michael Irvin > Drew Pearson and Tony Hill
Randy White > "Too Tall" Jones, Charlie Waters and Sean Lee (and many others)


Most of us here are way too young to remember, but the two super bowls against the Steelers were great games. . . .

. . .

SBXIII featured 14 hall of fame players between the two teams. The game is also the only time in NFL history to feature two QB's with two SB rings each. The final score was 35-31 in a game where both QB's were very impressive for that era.

SB 13 was the second Super Bowl I watched.  After rooting for the Broncos over the Cowboys in 12, I was pulling for the Cowboys in 13.  The game didn't feel as close as the score reflected.  Unfortunately, the game is probably most known for Jackie Smith's drop of what would have been a tying touchdown (assuming the extra point) late in the third quarter.  Instead of tying the game, the Cowboys settled for a field goal.  The Steelers then scored 14 unanswered pointsto take a 35-17 lead more than half way through the 4th quarter.  The Cowboys narrowed the gap to the final score with two touchdowns in a span of about two minutes, but they couldn't recover a second onside kick to give themselves a chance at a game winning Hail Mary pass.

Super Bowls 16 and 23 came the closest to measuring up to this game until my Broncos won Super Bowl 32.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Dallas Cowboys
Post by: El Barto on June 29, 2018, 06:17:51 PM
Not sure I can do only four for the Cowboys....

If I go with one QB, one RB, one WR, and one defensive player (which is totally ridiculous because, among other things, it excludes all of the great Cowboys' offensive linemen), I think I have to go with:

Roger Staubach > Troy Aikman
Emmett Smith > Tony Dorsett
Michael Irvin > Drew Pearson and Tony Hill
Randy White > "Too Tall" Jones, Charlie Waters and Sean Lee (and many others)


Most of us here are way too young to remember, but the two super bowls against the Steelers were great games. . . .

. . .

SBXIII featured 14 hall of fame players between the two teams. The game is also the only time in NFL history to feature two QB's with two SB rings each. The final score was 35-31 in a game where both QB's were very impressive for that era.

SB 13 was the second Super Bowl I watched.  After rooting for the Broncos over the Cowboys in 12, I was pulling for the Cowboys in 13.  The game didn't feel as close as the score reflected.  Unfortunately, the game is probably most known for Jackie Smith's drop of what would have been a tying touchdown (assuming the extra point) late in the third quarter.  Instead of tying the game, the Cowboys settled for a field goal.  The Steelers then scored 14 unanswered pointsto take a 35-17 lead more than half way through the 4th quarter.  The Cowboys narrowed the gap to the final score with two touchdowns in a span of about two minutes, but they couldn't recover a second onside kick to give themselves a chance at a game winning Hail Mary pass.

Super Bowls 16 and 23 came the closest to measuring up to this game until my Broncos won Super Bowl 32.
I remember it for the bullshit interference call. Lynn Swann misses that catch and they punt. Dallas had all the momentum at that point. Handing Pittsburgh the ball inside the Dallas red zone turns the tide back and that's that.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Dallas Cowboys
Post by: kingshmegland on June 29, 2018, 06:21:44 PM
The best compliment I can say is I hated Them Boys but I knew so many great players from the Cowboys.  The hate stemmed from a neighbor.   Lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Dallas Cowboys
Post by: TAC on June 29, 2018, 08:00:45 PM
Troy Aikman is underrated. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Dallas Cowboys
Post by: KevShmev on June 29, 2018, 08:49:23 PM
Fun fact: that 35-31 Steelers/Cowboys Super Bowl was apparently one of the worst days for Vegas ever.

Pittsburgh started off as a 3 1/2-pt favorite, but it moved to 5 at some point, and a lot of people who had taken Pittsburgh -3 1/2 then took Dallas + 5 hoping it would fall in the middle and the Steelers would win by 4...which they did.  :lol :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Dallas Cowboys
Post by: PowerSlave on June 30, 2018, 01:13:26 AM
Not sure I can do only four for the Cowboys....

If I go with one QB, one RB, one WR, and one defensive player (which is totally ridiculous because, among other things, it excludes all of the great Cowboys' offensive linemen), I think I have to go with:

Roger Staubach > Troy Aikman
Emmett Smith > Tony Dorsett
Michael Irvin > Drew Pearson and Tony Hill
Randy White > "Too Tall" Jones, Charlie Waters and Sean Lee (and many others)


Most of us here are way too young to remember, but the two super bowls against the Steelers were great games. . . .

. . .

SBXIII featured 14 hall of fame players between the two teams. The game is also the only time in NFL history to feature two QB's with two SB rings each. The final score was 35-31 in a game where both QB's were very impressive for that era.

SB 13 was the second Super Bowl I watched.  After rooting for the Broncos over the Cowboys in 12, I was pulling for the Cowboys in 13.  The game didn't feel as close as the score reflected.  Unfortunately, the game is probably most known for Jackie Smith's drop of what would have been a tying touchdown (assuming the extra point) late in the third quarter.  Instead of tying the game, the Cowboys settled for a field goal.  The Steelers then scored 14 unanswered pointsto take a 35-17 lead more than half way through the 4th quarter.  The Cowboys narrowed the gap to the final score with two touchdowns in a span of about two minutes, but they couldn't recover a second onside kick to give themselves a chance at a game winning Hail Mary pass.

Super Bowls 16 and 23 came the closest to measuring up to this game until my Broncos won Super Bowl 32.
I remember it for the bullshit interference call. Lynn Swann misses that catch and they punt. Dallas had all the momentum at that point. Handing Pittsburgh the ball inside the Dallas red zone turns the tide back and that's that.

There were two controversial calls on that drive. The other had something to do with a false start. I'd have to look it up to know for sure, but I've heard that one of the calls was made by the same ump that made the immaculate reception call a few years earlier.

Deflate gate and spy gate have nothing on how that probably made people's heads spin at the time.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Dallas Cowboys
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 01, 2018, 05:24:09 PM
Kam Chancellor to call it a career. Don't blame the man for putting his health first.

Wilson's job just got even harder.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Dallas Cowboys
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 02, 2018, 03:42:28 AM
Today's team is one that probably needs this the least, as it is far an away the most talked about team in this forum's history.....

The New England Patriots
(http://1000logos.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/New-England-Patriots-Logo-history.jpg)
5 League Championships (2001, 2003, 2004, 2014, 2016)

Mount Rushmore -  Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, John Hannah, Andre Tippett

Didn't care for their original uniforms/helmets. Loved the ones from the mid-90s. The current ones are okay.

Memorable games..... too many to count. All of the B&B era Super Bowls were close, tight games.

(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/new-england-patriots-john-hannah-ol-image-taken-color-slide-46780910.jpg)

(https://www.thesportsbank.net/core/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/drew-bledsoe.jpg)

(https://s.abcnews.com/images/Sports/espnapi_nfl_g_brady-belichick01jr_B_576x324_wmain.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: kingshmegland on July 02, 2018, 04:17:39 AM
John Hannah is and always will be my favorite Patriot.  The meanest streak I have ever seen in a player but the cleanest player.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: KevShmev on July 02, 2018, 06:07:29 AM
The helmet with the minuteman hiking the football is the coolest in the history of football. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: kingshmegland on July 02, 2018, 06:13:44 AM
The helmet with the minuteman hiking the football is the coolest in the history of football.

Pat Patriot.  I still by the hats with him all the time.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: KevShmev on July 02, 2018, 06:25:52 AM
Also, can we put David Tyree on the Pats Mt Rushmore? :P
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: Stadler on July 02, 2018, 08:12:54 AM
John Hannah is and always will be my favorite Patriot.  The meanest streak I have ever seen in a player but the cleanest player.

Which to me is the hallmark of the truly greats.    The guy that no one wants to take their chances against.   
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: Stadler on July 02, 2018, 08:18:56 AM
This is so hard, for a couple reasons; first, they are a situational and role-playing team.  They have a number of interchangeable parts.   They have so many players that have stepped up.    I'm going to go out on a limb, though, and forsake the "individual accomplishment" and go for the more "systemic accomplishment".  So no Randy Moss, but:

Tom Brady, John Hannah, Rodney Harrison, Troy Brown.   

Honorable mention to Steve Grogan, Kevin Faulk, Tedy Bruschi, Gino Cappalletti, Stanley Morgan, Russ Francis, Gronk, Vince Wilfork...  and a shout out to Daryl Stingley, just because.   
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: kingshmegland on July 02, 2018, 08:19:52 AM
Also, can we put David Tyree on the Pats Mt Rushmore? :P

What no Manningham as well? :lol

John Hannah is and always will be my favorite Patriot.  The meanest streak I have ever seen in a player but the cleanest player.

Which to me is the hallmark of the truly greats.    The guy that no one wants to take their chances against.   

Or he'll pancake you and let you know he's going to do that.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: kingshmegland on July 02, 2018, 08:21:57 AM
Tom Brady, John Hannah, Stanley Morgan & Andre Tippet

Adam Vinatieri and Gronk deserve mentions.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: El Barto on July 02, 2018, 08:49:24 AM
Brady, Vinatieri, Troy Brown, Vrabel. Honorable mention to Mo Lewis.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: kingshmegland on July 02, 2018, 08:54:06 AM
Mo Lewis. :lol

I remember being at that game and Brady went down and never got up.  I saw Brady come in and we were like, "Who the hell is this kid"?  "Isn't he the 4th string QB"?

Who knew then?

Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: Stadler on July 02, 2018, 09:09:52 AM
Brady, Vinatieri, Troy Brown, Vrabel. Honorable mention to Mo Lewis.

HAHA, that's legendary.  Nicely done.  :)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Dallas Cowboys
Post by: pg1067 on July 02, 2018, 10:48:45 AM
Not sure I can do only four for the Cowboys....

If I go with one QB, one RB, one WR, and one defensive player (which is totally ridiculous because, among other things, it excludes all of the great Cowboys' offensive linemen), I think I have to go with:

Roger Staubach > Troy Aikman
Emmett Smith > Tony Dorsett
Michael Irvin > Drew Pearson and Tony Hill
Randy White > "Too Tall" Jones, Charlie Waters and Sean Lee (and many others)


Most of us here are way too young to remember, but the two super bowls against the Steelers were great games. . . .

. . .

SBXIII featured 14 hall of fame players between the two teams. The game is also the only time in NFL history to feature two QB's with two SB rings each. The final score was 35-31 in a game where both QB's were very impressive for that era.

SB 13 was the second Super Bowl I watched.  After rooting for the Broncos over the Cowboys in 12, I was pulling for the Cowboys in 13.  The game didn't feel as close as the score reflected.  Unfortunately, the game is probably most known for Jackie Smith's drop of what would have been a tying touchdown (assuming the extra point) late in the third quarter.  Instead of tying the game, the Cowboys settled for a field goal.  The Steelers then scored 14 unanswered pointsto take a 35-17 lead more than half way through the 4th quarter.  The Cowboys narrowed the gap to the final score with two touchdowns in a span of about two minutes, but they couldn't recover a second onside kick to give themselves a chance at a game winning Hail Mary pass.

Super Bowls 16 and 23 came the closest to measuring up to this game until my Broncos won Super Bowl 32.
I remember it for the bullshit interference call. Lynn Swann misses that catch and they punt. Dallas had all the momentum at that point. Handing Pittsburgh the ball inside the Dallas red zone turns the tide back and that's that.

There were two controversial calls on that drive. The other had something to do with a false start. I'd have to look it up to know for sure, but I've heard that one of the calls was made by the same ump that made the immaculate reception call a few years earlier.

Deflate gate and spy gate have nothing on how that probably made people's heads spin at the time.

From the Wikipedia article on the game:

"Two controversial penalties early in the fourth quarter paved the way for the Steelers to score 14 unanswered points.

The Steelers advanced to their own 44-yard line after a crucial 3rd down pass from Bradshaw to tight end Randy Grossman, a 13-yard pass to Swann, and a 5-yard run by Harris.  Bradshaw then attempted a pass to Swann, but the receiver collided with Cowboys defensive back Benny Barnes and fell to the ground as the ball rolled incomplete.  However, official Fred Swearingen (the referee of the Immaculate Reception game of 1972) called Barnes for pass interference.  Replays showed that it could have been incidental contact, as Swann seemed to run into Barnes.  The penalty gave Pittsburgh a first down at Dallas' 23-yard line.

Two plays later, the Steelers faced 3rd down and 4 from the Dallas 17.  Henderson sacked Bradshaw for a 12-yard loss, but the play was nullified by a delay of game penalty on Pittsburgh, bringing up 3rd down and 9 instead of a fourth down.  Replays clearly showed the whistle blew before the play's onset, plus most of the players pulled up and stopped playing after a whistle sounded, but Henderson claimed, "I didn't hear a whistle until after I had knocked Bradshaw down.  The same guy (Swearingen) made that call too.  Who is that guy?"  " Franco Harris confronted Henderson for taunting Bradshaw after the whistle, and on the next play, Bradshaw handed the ball off to Harris, who raced untouched, with help from the Umpire Art Demmas impeding Cowboys safety Charlie Waters' attempt to tackle him, up the middle for a 22-yard touchdown run.  The next day Waters was quoted as saying, "I don't know what I could do – maybe knock him [Umpire Demmas] flat and maybe he'd knock Franco flat?  Our safeties play a vital role in the run.  That official gets in the way a lot.  He screened me off."  This score increased Pittsburgh's lead to 28–17."
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Dallas Cowboys
Post by: pg1067 on July 02, 2018, 10:57:25 AM
Today's team is one that probably needs this the least, as it is far an away the most talked about team in this forum's history.....

The New England Patriots

Lots of memorable games, most significantly being Super Bowls 36 (upset over the Rams), 51 (comeback over the Falcons) and 52.  I also remember 20 as being the first real Super Bowl blowout and the real start of the NFC's long run of Super Bowl dominance.

Mt. Rushmore isn't too difficult:  Tom Brady, John Hannah, Adam Vinatieri and Mike Haynes (honorable mention to Andre Tippett, Steve Nelson, Ty Law, Teddy Bruschi, Steve Grogan, Stanley Morgan and Wes Welker).
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Dallas Cowboys
Post by: El Barto on July 02, 2018, 11:19:35 AM
Not sure I can do only four for the Cowboys....

If I go with one QB, one RB, one WR, and one defensive player (which is totally ridiculous because, among other things, it excludes all of the great Cowboys' offensive linemen), I think I have to go with:

Roger Staubach > Troy Aikman
Emmett Smith > Tony Dorsett
Michael Irvin > Drew Pearson and Tony Hill
Randy White > "Too Tall" Jones, Charlie Waters and Sean Lee (and many others)


Most of us here are way too young to remember, but the two super bowls against the Steelers were great games. . . .

. . .

SBXIII featured 14 hall of fame players between the two teams. The game is also the only time in NFL history to feature two QB's with two SB rings each. The final score was 35-31 in a game where both QB's were very impressive for that era.

SB 13 was the second Super Bowl I watched.  After rooting for the Broncos over the Cowboys in 12, I was pulling for the Cowboys in 13.  The game didn't feel as close as the score reflected.  Unfortunately, the game is probably most known for Jackie Smith's drop of what would have been a tying touchdown (assuming the extra point) late in the third quarter.  Instead of tying the game, the Cowboys settled for a field goal.  The Steelers then scored 14 unanswered pointsto take a 35-17 lead more than half way through the 4th quarter.  The Cowboys narrowed the gap to the final score with two touchdowns in a span of about two minutes, but they couldn't recover a second onside kick to give themselves a chance at a game winning Hail Mary pass.

Super Bowls 16 and 23 came the closest to measuring up to this game until my Broncos won Super Bowl 32.
I remember it for the bullshit interference call. Lynn Swann misses that catch and they punt. Dallas had all the momentum at that point. Handing Pittsburgh the ball inside the Dallas red zone turns the tide back and that's that.

There were two controversial calls on that drive. The other had something to do with a false start. I'd have to look it up to know for sure, but I've heard that one of the calls was made by the same ump that made the immaculate reception call a few years earlier.

Deflate gate and spy gate have nothing on how that probably made people's heads spin at the time.

From the Wikipedia article on the game:

"Two controversial penalties early in the fourth quarter paved the way for the Steelers to score 14 unanswered points.

The Steelers advanced to their own 44-yard line after a crucial 3rd down pass from Bradshaw to tight end Randy Grossman, a 13-yard pass to Swann, and a 5-yard run by Harris.  Bradshaw then attempted a pass to Swann, but the receiver collided with Cowboys defensive back Benny Barnes and fell to the ground as the ball rolled incomplete.  However, official Fred Swearingen (the referee of the Immaculate Reception game of 1972) called Barnes for pass interference.  Replays showed that it could have been incidental contact, as Swann seemed to run into Barnes.  The penalty gave Pittsburgh a first down at Dallas' 23-yard line.

Two plays later, the Steelers faced 3rd down and 4 from the Dallas 17.  Henderson sacked Bradshaw for a 12-yard loss, but the play was nullified by a delay of game penalty on Pittsburgh, bringing up 3rd down and 9 instead of a fourth down.  Replays clearly showed the whistle blew before the play's onset, plus most of the players pulled up and stopped playing after a whistle sounded, but Henderson claimed, "I didn't hear a whistle until after I had knocked Bradshaw down.  The same guy (Swearingen) made that call too.  Who is that guy?"  " Franco Harris confronted Henderson for taunting Bradshaw after the whistle, and on the next play, Bradshaw handed the ball off to Harris, who raced untouched, with help from the Umpire Art Demmas impeding Cowboys safety Charlie Waters' attempt to tackle him, up the middle for a 22-yard touchdown run.  The next day Waters was quoted as saying, "I don't know what I could do – maybe knock him [Umpire Demmas] flat and maybe he'd knock Franco flat?  Our safeties play a vital role in the run.  That official gets in the way a lot.  He screened me off."  This score increased Pittsburgh's lead to 28–17."
https://youtu.be/GmxG1NlrB-c?t=816

Could have been.  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: PowerSlave on July 02, 2018, 12:46:25 PM
Teams complained about the position of the refs for years. The NFL didn't do anything about it until a few years ago. The Cowboys players can bitch about it all they want, but it was their fault that there was a hole there in the first place.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: TAC on July 02, 2018, 02:34:53 PM
The helmet with the minuteman hiking the football is the coolest in the history of football.

Not even being a homer, but I totally agree that it's a very cool logo.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: pg1067 on July 02, 2018, 03:14:58 PM
Teams complained about the position of the refs for years. The NFL didn't do anything about it until a few years ago. The Cowboys players can bitch about it all they want, but it was their fault that there was a hole there in the first place.

If I'm not mistaken, only the umpire used to line up in the middle of the action (generally, right behind the linebackers).  All of the other officials were (and still are) on the sidelines or sufficiently behind the offensive backfield (the referee) or the secondary (back judge) to avoid any interference.  The umpire has fairly recently been moved to be opposite the referee behind the backfield.  However, when the umpire was behind the linebackers, he was constantly getting in the way.  It's somewhat similar to the officials in ice hockey.  You just have to deal with them, and I assume astute offensive players would make moves specifically to use the umpire as an inadvertent blocker.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: axeman90210 on July 02, 2018, 03:38:43 PM
The only contribution I can make to the thread today:

(https://i.imgur.com/cBGOHD5.gif)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: Dublagent66 on July 02, 2018, 04:15:59 PM
:clap:    Best post I've seen in here for a long time.   :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: kingshmegland on July 02, 2018, 04:50:20 PM
The only contribution I can make to the thread today:

(https://i.imgur.com/cBGOHD5.gif)

I've enjoyed your pain Bill.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: Dream Team on July 02, 2018, 06:40:58 PM
Still the dumbest ending of a game I’ve ever witnessed.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: KevShmev on July 02, 2018, 06:47:55 PM
Also, can we put David Tyree on the Pats Mt Rushmore? :P

What no Manningham as well? :lol


Nah.  The Manningham play was a great throw and catch; nothing flukey about it.  The Tyree play is the definition of a fluke.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: kingshmegland on July 02, 2018, 06:49:56 PM
You don't have to tell me that.  I died inside that moment.  :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: KevShmev on July 02, 2018, 07:00:25 PM
The best part was that it happened against that dirty piece of crap Rodney Harrison.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: kingshmegland on July 02, 2018, 07:02:53 PM
We all hate the dirty crap players until their on your team.  I admit it!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: KevShmev on July 02, 2018, 07:05:01 PM
In my defense, I never liked Bill Romanowski or Aqib Talib when they were on the Broncos. Sure, I cheered when they made plays for the Broncos, but that was cheering a positive for my team, not for those a-holes.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: kingshmegland on July 02, 2018, 07:11:35 PM
It was their on field antics I bet. Talib only had 1 incident here.  It wasn't big but the hood squashed it right away.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 10, 2018, 09:54:41 AM
Guess Shady was an apt nickname

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/07/10/photo-surfaces-accusing-bills-rb-lesean-mccoy-of-domestic-violence-ped-use/
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: cramx3 on July 10, 2018, 09:58:50 AM
Guess Shady was an apt nickname

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/07/10/photo-surfaces-accusing-bills-rb-lesean-mccoy-of-domestic-violence-ped-use/

Damn that is really bad assuming it's a legit IG account of her friend and not a troll.  The PEDs are nothing compared to the accusation of such a beating to someone, let alone to his child and pet as well.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The New England Patriots
Post by: El Barto on July 10, 2018, 12:59:46 PM
It was their on field antics I bet. Talib only had 1 incident here.  It wasn't big but the hood squashed it right away.
I assume you're talking about his meltdown against Steve Smith. Yeah, Bill stopped that shit pretty fast. Not enough coaches have the balls to sit a crucial player like that (looking in Tom Coughlin's direction).
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: El Barto on July 10, 2018, 01:01:31 PM
Guess Shady was an apt nickname

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/07/10/photo-surfaces-accusing-bills-rb-lesean-mccoy-of-domestic-violence-ped-use/

Damn that is really bad assuming it's a legit IG account of her friend and not a troll.  The PEDs are nothing compared to the accusation of such a beating to someone, let alone to his child and pet as well.
He said he hasn't seen the girl in months. That'll be a really simple thing to ascertain. For once we should actually have a pretty good idea of whether or not the allegations are correct (not that it'll make any difference to the league).
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: TAC on July 10, 2018, 02:53:33 PM
Did anything ever come out after his Women's Only party before he left Philly?
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: cramx3 on July 10, 2018, 02:56:06 PM
Guess Shady was an apt nickname

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/07/10/photo-surfaces-accusing-bills-rb-lesean-mccoy-of-domestic-violence-ped-use/

Damn that is really bad assuming it's a legit IG account of her friend and not a troll.  The PEDs are nothing compared to the accusation of such a beating to someone, let alone to his child and pet as well.
He said he hasn't seen the girl in months. That'll be a really simple thing to ascertain. For once we should actually have a pretty good idea of whether or not the allegations are correct (not that it'll make any difference to the league).

Yea, I hope if this turns out to be a false accusation that we see this person get into some legal trouble.  Should be easy for the authorities to figure out if he was involved or not, I would think.  It better make a difference to the league too.  The accusation seems worse than Ray Rice, but it better be true if the league is going to treat him similar.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: El Barto on July 10, 2018, 05:11:25 PM
Guess Shady was an apt nickname

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/07/10/photo-surfaces-accusing-bills-rb-lesean-mccoy-of-domestic-violence-ped-use/

Damn that is really bad assuming it's a legit IG account of her friend and not a troll.  The PEDs are nothing compared to the accusation of such a beating to someone, let alone to his child and pet as well.
He said he hasn't seen the girl in months. That'll be a really simple thing to ascertain. For once we should actually have a pretty good idea of whether or not the allegations are correct (not that it'll make any difference to the league).

Yea, I hope if this turns out to be a false accusation that we see this person get into some legal trouble.  Should be easy for the authorities to figure out if he was involved or not, I would think.  It better make a difference to the league too.  The accusation seems worse than Ray Rice, but it better be true if the league is going to treat him similar.
Man, this thing has OJ level tabloid intrigue all over it. It also has some OJ behavior in it, as well (the burglary, not the beheading). From what we're hearing he's been trying to evict the girl and her son for a while, and she has been ducking the notification. Last night there was a home invasion where intruders demanded some specific possessions of his and roughed her up a little. That does sound a little shady. Personally, I've never gotten the impression that McCoy was particularly smart, and definitely not smart enough to successfully pull off something like this, or organize such a conspiracy. If he's involved we'll know soon enough.

As for the league, it's been made abundantly clear that fairness is not part of the equation. In fact, the legal matter at hand during the deflategate legal proceedings was the league defending its right to not be fair. From what I've seen since then I think it's taking that right and running with it. What happens regarding this will happen whether he actually did it or not. The thing he has going for him is that I don't know of any particular resentment towards Terry Pegula. That'll help his cause.

Also, if he actually is in the clear regarding this I'd expect to see a lawsuit filed against the accuser PDQ.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: eric42434224 on July 10, 2018, 06:26:17 PM
Met Cam Wake today at the Verizon store.  Very nice guy.  Nice Ferrari too.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: KevShmev on July 10, 2018, 06:29:38 PM
If it turns out that the guys who beat up the victim are connected to McCoy, it will stick to him, even if it turns out he didn't orchestrate the home invasion and assault.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: Stadler on July 10, 2018, 08:05:33 PM
Ray Lewis.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 11, 2018, 04:48:14 AM
Met Cam Wake today at the Verizon store.  Very nice guy.  Nice Ferrari too.

That's awesome!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 11, 2018, 05:28:40 AM
Shady stuff indeed. Due process can play out and all... but this doesn't look good....


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ny-sports-lesean-mccoy-instagram-allegation-20180710-story.html
 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: cramx3 on July 11, 2018, 06:37:07 AM
Met Cam Wake today at the Verizon store.  Very nice guy.  Nice Ferrari too.

Guy has a good story as a PSU linebacker (He went by Derek Wake back then) when I was a freshman.  He was good, but not NFL good and made his way through the CFL before making an impact in the NFL.

If it turns out that the guys who beat up the victim are connected to McCoy, it will stick to him, even if it turns out he didn't orchestrate the home invasion and assault.

Yea, it's going to be hard to keep people from associating him with this even if it wasn't him actually involved.  I could definitely see the NFL making a statement as well, and of course they don't need evidence to do so.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 11, 2018, 07:21:21 AM
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“I support and stand by my boy, Shady,” Incognito said Tuesday night on Twitter. “I know the full story and he didn’t do it. People can be quick to make false assumptions without knowing the full story.”

Well there you have it. Incognito cleared it up for us!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: cramx3 on July 11, 2018, 07:21:46 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: El Barto on July 11, 2018, 08:15:50 AM
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Attorney Tanya Mitchell Graham says in a statement to news outlets that her client was physically assaulted Tuesday morning by a man who entered the home with no signs of forced entry. The man demanded specific items of jewelry that had been gifted to her from McCoy, who had requested them back on many occasions.

For God's sake, if you're going to try and pull something like this have them take every piece of jewelry in the house, but only after you take a variety of other things. What you actually came for should seem like an afterthought. This isn't rocket science.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 11, 2018, 08:17:37 AM
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Attorney Tanya Mitchell Graham says in a statement to news outlets that her client was physically assaulted Tuesday morning by a man who entered the home with no signs of forced entry. The man demanded specific items of jewelry that had been gifted to her from McCoy, who had requested them back on many occasions.

For God's sake, if you're going to try and pull something like this have them take every piece of jewelry in the house, but only after you take a variety of other things. What you actually came for should seem like an afterthought. This isn't rocket science.


Exactly. This was way too specific!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: cramx3 on July 11, 2018, 08:19:49 AM
yikes, shady indeed
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: Stadler on July 11, 2018, 08:27:27 AM
I think I'd rather have Donald Trump as my character witness than Richie Incognito.  "Shady".   Jeez.   
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: AngelBack on July 11, 2018, 02:14:02 PM
Ray Lewis.


Prophetic much?  McCoy just hired the same attorney here in Atlanta that go Lewis off.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: PowerSlave on July 11, 2018, 06:11:28 PM
Ray Lewis.


Prophetic much?  McCoy just hired the same attorney here in Atlanta that go Lewis off.

Completely off topic, but I have to ask. Is there any way that you could change your avatar? I had the greatest urge to upchuck after I seen it...  :-[



I'm usually one to give the benefit of doubt when I hear/see these things come out against a celebrity of any kind. Something about this story stinks, and I wouldn't be surprised by any lengths that someone would go to to smear a celebrity. See the current situation with Chris Hardwick.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: KevShmev on July 11, 2018, 06:21:04 PM
Hardwick seems like a dick, but not a sexual predator.

With McCoy, there has been an awful lot of smoke around him for a few years now for there to continue to be no fire.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: PowerSlave on July 11, 2018, 10:34:54 PM
That's fair. To be honest, I really don't know anything about him off the field, but it just seems to be the "in thing" to accuse male celebrities of all kinds of misdeeds lately. I'm absolutely certain that a great many of the accusations are legitimate, but so many people are willing to crucify them with little, or no verifiable evidence.

The accusations could absolutely be true, but it seems like a lot of people are so quick to assume the worst. And I want to point out that I'm not pointing to anyone in the forum in particular. It's meant to be a general observation.

Sorry for taking the discussion into the P/R territory.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on July 12, 2018, 11:24:28 AM
Just bought my presale tix for the Rams vs. Chiefs Monday night Game in Mexico City!  Gonna be a blast!!!  Hopefully will have a good size group going.  Trying to decipher exactly where the seats are located is another story. :lol  They don't make it easy on their seating chart.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: El Barto on July 12, 2018, 12:57:52 PM
Just bought my presale tix for the Rams vs. Chiefs Monday night Game in Mexico City!  Gonna be a blast!!!  Hopefully will have a good size group going.  Trying to decipher exactly where the seats are located is another story. :lol  They don't make it easy on their seating chart.
That whole process can be pretty confusing for us gringos. In my experience all of the rules that apply for locals purchasing tickets are reversed for foreigners, and they don't really explain that.

"There will be absolutely no will call at this event."
"So, where do I get my tickets?"
"From will call. Why do you ask?"  :lol

Be sure and eat breakfast at el Cardenal one morning. That's the best part of going to DF in my book.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: kingshmegland on July 12, 2018, 01:59:52 PM
Just bought my presale tix for the Rams vs. Chiefs Monday night Game in Mexico City!  Gonna be a blast!!!  Hopefully will have a good size group going.  Trying to decipher exactly where the seats are located is another story. :lol  They don't make it easy on their seating chart.
That whole process can be pretty confusing for us gringos. In my experience all of the rules that apply for locals purchasing tickets are reversed for foreigners, and they don't really explain that.

"There will be absolutely no will call at this event."
"So, where do I get my tickets?"
"From will call. Why do you ask?"  :lol

Be sure and eat breakfast at el Cardenal one morning. That's the best part of going to DF in my book.

And bring a ton of Imodium.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: CrimsonSunrise on July 12, 2018, 02:50:14 PM
Just bought my presale tix for the Rams vs. Chiefs Monday night Game in Mexico City!  Gonna be a blast!!!  Hopefully will have a good size group going.  Trying to decipher exactly where the seats are located is another story. :lol  They don't make it easy on their seating chart.
That whole process can be pretty confusing for us gringos. In my experience all of the rules that apply for locals purchasing tickets are reversed for foreigners, and they don't really explain that.

"There will be absolutely no will call at this event."
"So, where do I get my tickets?"
"From will call. Why do you ask?"  :lol

Be sure and eat breakfast at el Cardenal one morning. That's the best part of going to DF in my book.

And bring a ton of Imodium.
Yeah... I'm a Mex expert :P  it's Lomitil down there!  :biggrin:  Drink bottled water and do NOT eat salads!!! :lol  I'll find some info on the Restaurant Barto!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: El Barto on July 12, 2018, 03:25:17 PM
Just bought my presale tix for the Rams vs. Chiefs Monday night Game in Mexico City!  Gonna be a blast!!!  Hopefully will have a good size group going.  Trying to decipher exactly where the seats are located is another story. :lol  They don't make it easy on their seating chart.
That whole process can be pretty confusing for us gringos. In my experience all of the rules that apply for locals purchasing tickets are reversed for foreigners, and they don't really explain that.

"There will be absolutely no will call at this event."
"So, where do I get my tickets?"
"From will call. Why do you ask?"  :lol

Be sure and eat breakfast at el Cardenal one morning. That's the best part of going to DF in my book.

And bring a ton of Imodium.
Yeah... I'm a Mex expert :P  it's Lomitil down there!  :biggrin:  Drink bottled water and do NOT eat salads!!! :lol  I'll find some info on the Restaurant Barto!
Yeah, it's the salads that fool people. The water is actually potable for us gabachos, now. Still, I don't take chances. Even though it's only a two hour flight home I sure don't want it to turn ugly.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 16, 2018, 11:20:29 AM
Want to get back on track with the team a day thing. We got done 27/32. May as well finish up!


Today's team, the Pittsburgh Steelers

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/freebiesupply/large/2x/pittsburgh-steelers-football-logo.png)

6 League Championships (1974, 1975, 1978, 1979, 2005, 2008)

My Mount Rushmore would be Jack Lambert, Joe Greene, Antonio Brown & Troy Polamalu(Apologies to countless others)


Uniforms..... they're okay. Helmets are terrible. Throwbacks are terrible.

Memorable moments.... they've been involved in so many of them throughout league history. But for the sake of this, I'll call out the 2005 Divisional Round game at Indy. Whacky, crazy game.


(http://media.pennlive.com/sports_impact/photo/1974-steelersjpg-66f8ba0bfb14c411.jpg)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/26/article-2431971-03E8CBD60000044D-555_634x490.jpg)

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_480w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2016/12/26/Production/Daily/Sports/Images/Ravens_Steelers_Football_01913.jpg-b048d-1632.jpg?uuid=JYaYMMsFEea4oowqYbBDbw)
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Pittsburgh Steelers
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 16, 2018, 11:29:57 AM
^ Hines Ward should be nowhere near that list.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Pittsburgh Steelers
Post by: PowerSlave on July 16, 2018, 11:34:08 AM
^ Hines Ward should be nowhere near that list.

I have to disagree with you, somewhat. It's true that he isn't the best WR that the team ever had, but he was a force. Not many WR's get credited for their blocking abilities, but he was easily the best ever at his position.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Pittsburgh Steelers
Post by: Destiny Of Chaos on July 16, 2018, 11:34:15 AM
^ Hines Ward should be nowhere near that list.


He wasn't the most talented player... but the intangibles... got under people's skin.....

then again..  I just realized that I completely forgot about Troy P...... so yeah, Troy's in Hines' out!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Pittsburgh Steelers
Post by: mikeyd23 on July 16, 2018, 11:37:28 AM
Off the top of my head I'd say all these guys are ahead of Hines -

Big Ben
Terry Bradshaw
Jack Lambert
Joe Greene
Franco Harris
Rod Woodson
Jack Ham
Troy Polamalu
Jerome Bettis
Lynn Swan
etc...
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Pittsburgh Steelers
Post by: Stadler on July 16, 2018, 11:50:32 AM
Hines Ward is usually the kind of player I like.  Work ethic, does more than even his teammates think he's capable of, the guy you absolutely want on your team, but loathe when he's on the other side...

My four:   Greene, Lambert, Blount, Bradshaw

Honorable mention:  Harris, Ham, Roethlisberger, Swann, Woodson

Troy was a great player, but not sure how he makes the list and Blount and Woodson don't.   And despite what I said, Ward doesn't elevate to that level. 
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Pittsburgh Steelers
Post by: Dream Team on July 16, 2018, 11:52:01 AM
First Steeler game I saw was actually Super Bowl XIV because my father was watching it. Seeing Swann and Stallworth making those great catches, Bradshaw chucking those bombs, and those dynamic defensive players made me fall in love with the team. I was completely unaware of the team’s history at the time (I was 12). So of course I had to wait 26 years to see them win another  :-[.

Anyway, offensively for me it goes Ben-Brown-Harris-Stallworth-Swann-Bradshaw which is leaving out several deserving o-linemen. Defensively it’s Mean Joe-Lambert-Polamalu-Harrison-Ham-Greenwood etc etc etc so my Mount Rushmore is the first 2 of each group.

edit: whoops, forgot Blount. Good call Stadler.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Pittsburgh Steelers
Post by: PowerSlave on July 16, 2018, 12:26:19 PM
I'm a huge "homer" for this team despite the fact that I live in another team's territory. Making a definitive Mount Rushmore for them almost seems like an impossible task. This team is deep with great and legendary players at almost every position in the modern/SB era.

QB: Bradshaw, Ben.
HB: Rocky Bleier (The man received a Purple Heart in Viet Nam, then played his NFL career as the primary lead blocker for Franco Harris with half a foot missing), Barry Foster and Jerome Bettis.
FB: Franco Harris.
WR: Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Louis Lipps, Hines Ward and Antonio Brown.
TE: Heath Miller (not outstanding numbers, but he did everything at the position).
OL: Mike Webster, Tunch Ilken, Dermonti Dawson, Alan Fanecca and Pouncey.
DL: Joe Greene, Dwight White, Joel Steede, Casey Hampton.
LB: Jack Lambert, Jack Ham, Greg Lloyd, Kevin Greene, Jason Gildon, Joey Porter and He who shall not be named.
CB: Mel Blount and Rod Woodson.
Safety: Carnell Lake and Troy.
ST: Gary Anderson.

And that's not mentioning any of the coaches.

The most memorable game for me would be the SB against the Cardinals. Each team had some spectacular plays, and the game came right down to the end.

The most painful memory is the SB against the Cowboys in the mid 90's.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Pittsburgh Steelers
Post by: Dream Team on July 16, 2018, 01:02:35 PM
I'm a huge "homer" for this team despite the fact that I live in another team's territory. Making a definitive Mount Rushmore for them almost seems like an impossible task. This team is deep with great and legendary players at almost every position in the modern/SB era.

QB: Bradshaw, Ben.
HB: Rocky Bleier (The man received a Purple Heart in Viet Nam, then played his NFL career as the primary lead blocker for Franco Harris with half a foot missing), Barry Foster and Jerome Bettis.
FB: Franco Harris.
WR: Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Louis Lipps, Hines Ward and Antonio Brown.
TE: Heath Miller (not outstanding numbers, but he did everything at the position).
OL: Mike Webster, Tunch Ilken, Dermonti Dawson, Alan Fanecca and Pouncey.
DL: Joe Greene, Dwight White, Joel Steede, Casey Hampton.
LB: Jack Lambert, Jack Ham, Greg Lloyd, Kevin Greene, Jason Gildon, Joey Porter and He who shall not be named.
CB: Mel Blount and Rod Woodson.
Safety: Carnell Lake and Troy.
ST: Gary Anderson.

And that's not mentioning any of the coaches.

The most memorable game for me would be the SB against the Cardinals. Each team had some spectacular plays, and the game came right down to the end.

The most painful memory is the SB against the Cowboys in the mid 90's.

Yes, I always backed Neil O’Donnell until he utterly CHOKED that game away. Spineless douche.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Pittsburgh Steelers
Post by: PowerSlave on July 16, 2018, 01:31:15 PM
I'm a huge "homer" for this team despite the fact that I live in another team's territory. Making a definitive Mount Rushmore for them almost seems like an impossible task. This team is deep with great and legendary players at almost every position in the modern/SB era.

QB: Bradshaw, Ben.
HB: Rocky Bleier (The man received a Purple Heart in Viet Nam, then played his NFL career as the primary lead blocker for Franco Harris with half a foot missing), Barry Foster and Jerome Bettis.
FB: Franco Harris.
WR: Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Louis Lipps, Hines Ward and Antonio Brown.
TE: Heath Miller (not outstanding numbers, but he did everything at the position).
OL: Mike Webster, Tunch Ilken, Dermonti Dawson, Alan Fanecca and Pouncey.
DL: Joe Greene, Dwight White, Joel Steede, Casey Hampton.
LB: Jack Lambert, Jack Ham, Greg Lloyd, Kevin Greene, Jason Gildon, Joey Porter and He who shall not be named.
CB: Mel Blount and Rod Woodson.
Safety: Carnell Lake and Troy.
ST: Gary Anderson.

And that's not mentioning any of the coaches.

The most memorable game for me would be the SB against the Cardinals. Each team had some spectacular plays, and the game came right down to the end.

The most painful memory is the SB against the Cowboys in the mid 90's.

Yes, I always backed Neil O’Donnell until he utterly CHOKED that game away. Spineless douche.

For a moment, I thought about adding his name to the list. Had he not left after the SB for a big pay check in New York I think that his legacy might have been different. I remember reading that one or two of those picks were due to a WR running the wrong route, but my memory on it is pretty fuzzy.

My second most painful game memory is the AFC Championship the year before against the Chargers. Can you imagine a healthy Rod Woodson in his prime lining up against Jerry Rice? Kevin Greene and Greg Lloyd rushing Steve Young? That would have been an incredible game.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Shady Indeed
Post by: pg1067 on July 16, 2018, 01:56:56 PM
Want to get back on track with the team a day thing. We got done 27/32. May as well finish up!


Today's team, the Pittsburgh Steelers


This is an almost impossible Mt. Rushmore.  My initial instinct was Bradshaw, Lambert, Harris, Greene.  That doesn't feel right because it doesn't include anyone who played in the last 35 years, but whom would I remove to add anyone more recent?  Honestly, the only more recent Steeler I'd be inclined to include would be Roethlisberger or Polamalu, but I really can't see either of them displacing any of the four I mentioned (and, frankly, there'd probably be half a dozen other older players I'd put before them).

Too many memorable games -- even beyond the Super Bowls.  Lots of battles with my Broncos.  The first two that come to mind are the AFC Championship Game that the Broncos won to advance to Super Bowl 32 and the Tim Tebow game back in whatever year that was (2010 or so).

By the way, the Steelers uniforms, including the helmets (but NOT including the bumblebee throwbacks), are AWESOME!
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Pittsburgh Steelers
Post by: kingshmegland on July 16, 2018, 02:41:10 PM
I'm a huge "homer" for this team despite the fact that I live in another team's territory. Making a definitive Mount Rushmore for them almost seems like an impossible task. This team is deep with great and legendary players at almost every position in the modern/SB era.

QB: Bradshaw, Ben.
HB: Rocky Bleier (The man received a Purple Heart in Viet Nam, then played his NFL career as the primary lead blocker for Franco Harris with half a foot missing), Barry Foster and Jerome Bettis.
FB: Franco Harris.
WR: Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Louis Lipps, Hines Ward and Antonio Brown.
TE: Heath Miller (not outstanding numbers, but he did everything at the position).
OL: Mike Webster, Tunch Ilken, Dermonti Dawson, Alan Fanecca and Pouncey.
DL: Joe Greene, Dwight White, Joel Steede, Casey Hampton.
LB: Jack Lambert, Jack Ham, Greg Lloyd, Kevin Greene, Jason Gildon, Joey Porter and He who shall not be named.
CB: Mel Blount and Rod Woodson.
Safety: Carnell Lake and Troy.
ST: Gary Anderson.

And that's not mentioning any of the coaches.

The most memorable game for me would be the SB against the Cardinals. Each team had some spectacular plays, and the game came right down to the end.

The most painful memory is the SB against the Cowboys in the mid 90's.

Fantastic list.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Pittsburgh Steelers
Post by: KevShmev on July 16, 2018, 06:26:20 PM
Hines Ward shouldn't be anywhere near this list.  Too many great players played for the Steelers for a player who was merely "very good" to make it.

My second most painful game memory is the AFC Championship the year before against the Chargers. Can you imagine a healthy Rod Woodson in his prime lining up against Jerry Rice? Kevin Greene and Greg Lloyd rushing Steve Young? That would have been an incredible game.

Eh, I am not sure the result would have been that different. The 49ers were an avalanche that no one was stopping that year and it didn't matter who from the AFC was the team to get stomped.
Title: Re: 2018 NFL Thread - The Pittsb