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2018 NFL THREAD
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The 2017 NFL season was another memorable one. We saw incredible finishes, devastating injuries and plenty of controversy, such as what constitutes a catch, something that the league hopefully figures out the rule and enforcement in the offseason. We saw a 40 year old win league MVP. We saw rookie RBs make instant impacts. And for at least the 4th time, we’ve seen a backup QB defeat a HoF level QB to win the Super Bowl.
2017 saw the Philadelphia Eagles exorcised some serious demons, and despite losing their MVP candidate QB, perennial all-pro left tackle, starting middle linebacker, gadget RB & kicker, have won the Super Bowl, giving the Eagles their first league championship since 1960, when they defeated Lombardi’s Packers for the NFL Championship.
The NFL truly has a yearlong calendar, and all 32 teams are preparing for the 2018 season. Incoming rookies will soon be poked and prodded. Names like Darnold, Rosen, Allen and maybe Jackson and Mayfield will be drafted to teams hungry for a young, franchise QB. If Kirk Cousins can be freed up from team control, he will have his pick from a number of suitors, a couple, such as Denver and Minnesota may be a quarterback away.
New coaches in Oakland, New York (Giants), Tennessee, Chicago, Arizona, Detroit and Indy.).
A star studded HoF class of 2018 including Lewis, Moss, Owens, Dawkins and Urlacher.
A few of the upcoming dates:
February 20th – First day for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players
February 27th-March 5th – Combine.
March 14th – First day of the 2018 league year.
April 26th-28th – NFL Draft in Arlington, TX (Cleveland is on the clock!)
August 2-5 – Hall of Fame Weekend.
September 6th – 2018 Season kick off game, Philadelphia to host one of the following teams: Dallas, NY Giants, Washington, Atlanta, Carolina, Houston, Indianapolis or Minnesota
February 3rd 2019 – Super Bowl LIII, to be played in Atlanta.
Where does your team stand heading into 2018? What moves would you like to see them make, be it in the draft or free agency?
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22310495/bold-nfl-predictions-2018-season-new-york-jets-sign-kirk-cousins-super-bowl-liii-pick-more
10 Bold Predictions from an ESPN Writer:
1. Free-agent quarterback Kirk Cousins signs with the Jets
2. Odell Beckham Jr. sits out at least one regular-season game
3. There are a least five new playoff teams, including the Jets, Chargers, Raiders, Packers and 49ers
4. Le'Veon Bell signs a contract extension with the Steelers
5. Josh Allen is the first pick in the April's draft ... but he doesn't start a game in 2018
6. Six more teams change head coaches after the 2018 season
7. Nick Foles leads the Eagles to a 3-1 start while Carson Wentz continues his rehab
8. Andrew Luck returns and plays all 16 games for the Colts
9. The NFL changes the catch rule to appease fans and increase scoring
10. The Saints will beat the Steelers in Super Bowl LIII
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Are they saying how long Wentz will be out DOC?
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10. The Saints will beat the Steelers in Super Bowl LIII
No chance.
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Are they saying how long Wentz will be out DOC?
They believe that he's on track to return early in the season. He may not be ready in time for week one. I hope he doesn't overdo it trying to come back as soon as he can, especially if Foles is still on the roster.
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I wonder what Foles' contract status is. You'd think he gets some looks to start somewhere else.
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Looking forward to a better year of football from my team. They haven't had such a high draft pick in awhile so it'll be interesting to see what they do. (Giants)
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I wonder what Foles' contract status is. You'd think he gets some looks to start somewhere else.
Foles is still under team control for 2018 (he signed a 2 year deal prior to the start of the 2017 season). With Wentz on a rookie deal, that's not too much salary for the QB position, so the Eagles would be smart to keep him, unless some QB-desperate team comes along with an unreal deal for Foles. but I'm not sure what the market for his services would be with Cousins and this batch of rookie QBs coming along.
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Yeah, well, he's just the SB MVP.. ;D
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Looking forward to a better year of football from my team. They haven't had such a high draft pick in awhile so it'll be interesting to see what they do. (Giants)
Do you like one of the rookie QBs better than the others? Would you rather see them grab Barkley with their first pick, and perhaps take a chance on Mayfield or Jackson later in the draft?
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Yeah, well, he's just the SB MVP.. ;D
Absolutely. His trade value has never been higher. So we'll see if anyone makes an offer for him.
I'd imagine this is yet another indictment on the shitshow Jeff Fisher had going in St. Louis/LA.
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Looking forward to a better year of football from my team. They haven't had such a high draft pick in awhile so it'll be interesting to see what they do. (Giants)
Do you like one of the rookie QBs better than the others? Would you rather see them grab Barkley with their first pick, and perhaps take a chance on Mayfield or Jackson later in the draft?
I'm not high on Darnold, but not sure about Rosen. I'd be cool with the Giants taking Barkley though, since I am a PSU grad, I'd love to continue to root for him on my NFL team, but the problem with the Giants is their offensive line. They aren't going to just be able to plug a top pick back there and expect him to be productive and not get hurt until they fix that first.
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Foles deserved a handshake from Brady. Kind of a douche move there.
Bring on 2018!
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Yeah, I heard that. Can't argue with that.
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Foles deserved a handshake from Brady. Kind of a douche move there.
Yeah, love Brady as a QB, but there is no excuse for that, totally classless move.
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Yeah, can't disagree there.
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10. The Saints will beat the Steelers in Super Bowl LIII
No chance.
Yeah seriously. I can't see a Tomlin team winning or even getting to a Super Bowl at this point, just not going to happen.
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4. Le'Veon Bell signs a contract extension with the Steelers
As a Steelers fan, I can honestly say I hope this does not happen.
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As far as Brady snubbing Foles, doesn't seem like he did it on purpose, or maybe he did. Brady seems like a decent guy so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/did-tom-brady-snub-nick-foles-on-super-bowl-handshake-lets-look-at-the-evidence/
As far as next season I'm pessimistic for the Chiefs and optimistic for the Vikings (my two favorite teams). I think the Chiefs end up 8-8 or worse and Reid gets fired. I think the Vikings will return to the playoffs and win the division. It will be interesting to see what they do at QB, but that defense will win them a lot of games regardless.
As for the rest of the NFL, I think Cousins goes to Denver or Buffalo. I think the Giants are the most improved team. Division Champs predictions below:
AFC
North- Steelers: This division is a mess from top to bottom and this pick is a total crap shoot.
South- Jaguars: This team is solid on both sides of the ball though I think the Texans will be a contender if they stay healthy.
East- Bills: Probably crazy but they have a lot pieces in place and a good young coach. Just need a QB.
West- Chiefs: Might be a fan pick, but honestly this division is wide open.
NFC
North- Vikings: Packers are close but the Vikings defense give them the edge
South- Saints: Another wide open division
East- Eagles: Hard to pick against the Champs.
West- 49ers- They are going to be contenders next year.
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Seems totally in line with the image I have of Brady as a person.
Otherwise I had a blast watching the big game. Got together with a whole bunch of people, hung out, played some games, had fun. The game itself doesn't start until like 1am where I live so it was a long night, and it always gets a bit weird towards the end, but it was still a good time like always.
I was so nervous and sure that Patriots would win again so watching Eagles get the title was fantastic.
Looking forward to a better year of football from my team. (Giants)
Right there with 'ya, buddy.
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The Colts hiring of McDaniels as their next Head Coach has been "officially" announced.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22344934/indianapolis-colts-hire-josh-mcdaniels-head-coach
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Good luck doing something with no money since they paid Luck so much.
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10. The Saints will beat the Steelers in Super Bowl LIII
No chance.
Yeah seriously. I can't see a Tomlin team winning or even getting to a Super Bowl at this point, just not going to happen.
It wasn't Tomlin I was talking about. I was talking about the league's most overrated coach down in NO.
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10. The Saints will beat the Steelers in Super Bowl LIII
No chance.
Yeah seriously. I can't see a Tomlin team winning or even getting to a Super Bowl at this point, just not going to happen.
It wasn't Tomlin I was talking about. I was talking about the league's most overrated coach down in NO.
Tomlin is coaching in NO now?
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No, Tomlin is in Pittsburgh.
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New Orleans was a freak play away from beating Minnesota and moving on to Philly. Had that happened, who knows, perhaps Brees and Payton deliver Championship #2.
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These things are all so fleeting. The Pats are a helmet catch away from a perfect season.
I'm talking Payton's entire body of work. I posted the stats in the old thread and they were pretty much ignored.
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If he had a hand in trading Cooks and drafting the OPOY and DPOY, then I'd say Payton is far from the most overrated. Perhaps his weaknesses have been hid by Brees, but I always liked him when he was coming up as a coordinator. Of course that bountygate stuff was bad times.
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He's basically averaged a 9-7 record with a HOF QB. I think it averaged out to like 9.2 to 6.8 or something like that.
I want to say he's only made the playoffs in half of his years with Brees. It's slightly more than half.. I'll try and find the original post.
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I have real concerns for my Broncos.
They have a potentially world-class defense, but their skill position players are, as a whole rather mediocre. I love Demaryius Thomas, but he always seems to under-perform. Emmanuel Sanders is a solid #3 receiver who is the #2 on the Broncos. The rest of the depth chart is woefully shallow. The tight ends and running backs are rather forgettable. And then you have the quarterback situation. They seem to be throwing in the towel on Paxton Lynch, which leaves Trevor Siemian and Brock Osweiler. I honestly think all three of those guys have some upside, but the offensive line is mostly trash.
There are so many areas of needed improvement, but almost every mock draft I've seen has the Broncos taking yet another quarterback. None of the top 4 QBs this year sound like "can't miss" prospects, so I really think that's a bad idea. Seems to me that the best thing to do would be to trade down for multiple picks and maybe an established player (or whatever is reasonable).
By the way, Sean Payton's career record over 11 seasons (which does not include the 2012 season when he was suspended) is 105-71, which averages to 9.55-6.45. He's had four 7-9 seasons (including each season from 2014-16) and one at 8-8, and the rest have been 10 or more wins.
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Tomlin is coaching in NO now?
:lol
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Tomlin is coaching in NO now?
:lol
at least someone got the joke.
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Tomlin is coaching in NO now?
:lol
at least someone got the joke.
The problem is, it's no joke. :)
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So after Dont'a Hightower "liked" Brandon Browner's post yesterday, Tom Brady "liked" Malcolm Butler's twitter post today, which was subsequently "liked" by a boatload of guys, current and former players.
Brady also followed it up with a personal message.
Belichick will be lucky to not have a mutiny on his hands, and deservedly so.
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So after Dont'a Hightower "liked" Brandon Browner's post yesterday, Tom Brady "liked" Malcolm Butler's twitter post today, which was subsequently "liked" by a boatload of guys, current and former players.
Brady also followed it up with a personal message.
Belichick will be lucky to not have a mutiny on his hands, and deservedly so.
There are other reports that a lot of players were not happy with Malcolm being late for the curfew and his lackadaisical play in practice. Who the hell knows.
All I know is if you do something wrong in the BB era, he will sit you.
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What players have said anything along those lines?
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Sitting a guy when the worst case scenario is going 13-3 or 12-4 is one thing. Sitting a guy which arguably was a factor in the SB loss is another thing. Seems as though BB did nothing other than prove that being the alpha in control is more important than fielding the best talent.
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So after Dont'a Hightower "liked" Brandon Browner's post yesterday, Tom Brady "liked" Malcolm Butler's twitter post today, which was subsequently "liked" by a boatload of guys, current and former players.
Brady also followed it up with a personal message.
Belichick will be lucky to not have a mutiny on his hands, and deservedly so.
To what end? What do they want, a better coach? If he holds a meeting and says "if you guys don't want me here I'm outta here" are they better off? You know, they're playing for the GOAT right now, and all that's expected is that they do what they're supposed to do. If you'd rather do your own thing then go play for the fucking Bengals.
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Do you give any credence that maybe things have run their course? He's been the coach here for 18 years.
Personally, I'm not an advocate to fire Belichick. But while I'm sure Bulter ain't no choirboy, holding him out for seemingly no reason certainly seems to have rasied the hair on the team. Especially the way he did it, just before kickoff.
And now Hightower and Brady, your #1 guy on D and O, have made public expressions against the coach.
I thought after the Wickersham story dropped, which clearly came from Belichick's people, that Bill may not be back after this year. It basically laid the groundwork for Bill to walk away. Hell, I thought that when he gave up so many draft picks and spent like a drunken sailer last off season. He seemed like he was gearing up for one more run.
It'll be interesting to see how Kraft handles this.
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So after Dont'a Hightower "liked" Brandon Browner's post yesterday, Tom Brady "liked" Malcolm Butler's twitter post today, which was subsequently "liked" by a boatload of guys, current and former players.
Brady also followed it up with a personal message.
Belichick will be lucky to not have a mutiny on his hands, and deservedly so.
To what end? What do they want, a better coach? If he holds a meeting and says "if you guys don't want me here I'm outta here" are they better off? You know, they're playing for the GOAT right now, and all that's expected is that they do what they're supposed to do. If you'd rather do your own thing then go play for the fucking Bengals.
There's no doubt in my mind that some players will think they are better off without BB, but they are foolish to think so.
Personally, I think having the OC and DC effectively agreeing to be HC for other teams is a bigger distraction than benching a player (regardless of reason). As the NYC sports radio host this afternoon said "do you think Giants fans are happy Patricia isn't the head coach?" :lol
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Do you give any credence that maybe things have run their course? He's been the coach here for 18 years.
I think it's certainly plausible that things have run their course. I also think that A: it'd be a damn shame, and B: Bill is the guy you want around when the dust settles. If they move on from him (or he from they) then things will not go well for the Patriots.
I also think that for every malcontent there is upset at the coach right now, there are 5 players that would love to take their place.
Personally, I'm not an advocate to fire Belichick. But while I'm sure Bulter ain't no choirboy, holding him out for seemingly no reason certainly seems to have rasied the hair on the team. Especially the way he did it, just before kickoff.
And something that we're all ignoring is that maybe he really did think the D was better off without him. It didn't work out, and maybe it was a mistake, but that is his prerogative.
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But Bart, that doesn’t make sense. On his best day, Jordan Richards can’t hold Butler’s jock. Bademosi? Puleeze.
And let’s say that game plan wise Butler didn’t don’t fit, when you see the D getting fucking torched, you don’t adjust and send him in.
How does a guy, who played the most defensive snaps of anyone else during the season and 100% of them in the two post season games suddenly not good enough to get on the field?
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What players have said anything along those lines?
You should try Twitter old man and follow the beat writers. No names of course but reports. We have to wade all through this to get the truth.
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What players have said anything along those lines?
You should try Twitter old man and follow the beat writers. No names of course but reports. We have to wade all through this to get the truth.
You mean the Patriots Media Cartel?
A bunch of guys put their NAMES on the Butler post.
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Wow, I'm actually excited for the Niners this year...bring on the Jimmy G era!!!
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What players have said anything along those lines?
You should try Twitter old man and follow the beat writers. No names of course but reports. We have to wade all through this to get the truth.
You mean the Patriots Media Cartel?
A bunch of guys put their NAMES on the Butler post.
I think you know some will say off record Tim. Some players are on Malcolm's side, some are not. Definitely a devide.
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Philly wins the Super Bowl with their backup QB, yet all I keep hearing is that the Patriots would have won had Butler played. :\
Not sure how I feel about the Broncos getting Cousins. On the one hand, getting him would give us a top 10-12 QB, but on the other hand, paying him the money he wants will mean having to get rid of some good players to get under the cap.
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How about this Tim for fast info.
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Philly wins the Super Bowl with their backup QB, yet all I keep hearing is that the Patriots would have won had Butler played. :\
Not sure how I feel about the Broncos getting Cousins. On the one hand, getting him would give us a top 10-12 QB, but on the other hand, paying him the money he wants will mean having to get rid of some good players to get under the cap.
The first part I would say yes, it was that close.
Second part. DENVER NEEEEEDS a QB bad. It's worth the money. He's a big upgrade.
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There are reports that McDaniels is backing out of the Indy job....
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There are reports that McDaniels is backing out of the Indy job....
I am shocked that a coach who was fired in his first head coaching stint for getting caught cheating would do a team dirty like this.
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Maybe a team that reported bullshit about psi pulled some shady shit.
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There are reports that McDaniels is backing out of the Indy job....
I am shocked that a coach who was fired in his first head coaching stint for getting caught cheating would do a team dirty like this.
:lol
We're also of his mentor taking that Jets job all those years ago.
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So if you're Indy.... Who do you try to bring in? Certainly time isn't on their side.
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So if you're Indy.... Who do you try to bring in?
A more durable QB.
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Jeff Fisher? No way!
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Well Irsay is an apparent raging alcoholic.
Maybe take a look at one of the Eagles' coordinators. Maybe throw a crazy offer to one of the the top college coaches. Either way...sucks that Indy waited the entire postseason for their man only to have him change his mind.
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There are reports that McDaniels is backing out of the Indy job....
I am shocked that a coach who was fired in his first head coaching stint for getting caught cheating would do a team dirty like this.
That was actually pretty funny.
If McDaniels backs out of the Indy job it's because he's going to coach the Patriots.
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How about this Tim for fast info.
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That's great. All I see is a small box with an X inside.
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If McDaniels backs out of the Indy job it's because he's going to coach the Patriots.
That is my thought as well. Kraft probably sobered up just enough to promise McDaniels the Pats head coaching job once Belichick leaves (next month).
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If McDaniels backs out of the Indy job it's because he's going to coach the Patriots.
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/josh-mcdaniels-not-taking-indianapolis-colts-job-staying-new-england-patriots
Apparently Belichick is staying on too.
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How about this Tim for fast info.
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That's great. All I see is a small box with an X inside.
Lol. It was Schefter saying Josh was staying.
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WTF is going on down there?
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WTF is going on down there?
Was that meant for your wife? :P
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Oh no...we KNOW what's going on down there! :P :P :P
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He's been married a long time. She's into the dishes. Lol
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Yup, not afraid to do them by hand. :lol
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:lol
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Not sure how I feel about the Broncos getting Cousins. On the one hand, getting him would give us a top 10-12 QB, but on the other hand, paying him the money he wants will mean having to get rid of some good players to get under the cap.
I think it's the best solution if Elway wants to turn Denver back into a contender ASAP. I'm not sold on any of these QBs coming out of college right now; I'm sure at least one of them will end up being great, but it's too much of a crapshoot and Elway already blew it with the Lynch pick. I know guys like McShay have Denver taking a QB with pick #5, but I really don't think Elway has the patience for another rookie QB. I'd be fine with them letting Sanders go as well as some of the scrub FAs Elway signed like Watson to free up space for Cousins. It would also allow for them to improve the O line with a guy like Quenton Nelson out of Notre Dame, or trade down with a QB needy team and stock up on draft picks to potentially take another RB early and let CJ go.
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I think they are more likely to keep Sanders than D. Thomas, because the latter makes too much money and isn't that great to demand that kind of salary anymore, but you never know. I think the RBs they have would be fine if the QB was good and the o-line improved. You don't need a stud RB to be a great team, as the Eagles and Patriots just showed us on Sunday.
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Sitting a guy when the worst case scenario is going 13-3 or 12-4 is one thing. Sitting a guy which arguably was a factor in the SB loss is another thing. Seems as though BB did nothing other than prove that being the alpha in control is more important than fielding the best talent.
Which, long term, it is.
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There are reports that McDaniels is backing out of the Indy job....
I am shocked that a coach who was fired in his first head coaching stint for getting caught cheating would do a team dirty like this.
That was actually pretty funny.
If McDaniels backs out of the Indy job it's because he's going to coach the Patriots.
This is the first thing I thought of. Kraft must have promised him the throne. Dilly dilly.
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Regarding the Malcolm Butler situation, here it how I see it:
If we can assume for the sake of argument that Butler did something that was worthy of being disciplined by the Belichick Standard, which is a pretty safe assumption, what is the problem?
Remember when many crushed Mike Tomlin for going easy on LeVeon Bell last month for being late to a game? Everyone disagreed that it was the exact opposite of the way that Belichick would have handled it, because Belichick will discipline you.
Now, he just did that, and suddenly it is an issue?
"But it was the Super Bowl!"
Doesn't matter. The Belichick Standard applies at all times. He is not going to relax it for Game 1, Game 17 or the Super Bowl.
It's easy to say, "he cost them the Super Bowl by not playing Butler," but by holding players to his standard 365 days a year, how many games has he won them because players knew they had to live up to and adhere to that standard at all times? More than we can count.
And let us not forget, Belichick is the GOAT because his coaching style is a disciplinary one, yet all of a sudden we want to criticize him for disciplining a player? Come on. Doing what he did Sunday is part of Belichick's coaching DNA and everyone should know this by now.
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^ agreed
Also, kind of loving the drama in New England :lol
I'm sure they'll get their shit together though
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Kev, agreed.
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Regarding the Malcolm Butler situation, here it how I see it:
If we can assume for the sake of argument that Butler did something that was worthy of being disciplined by the Belichick Standard, which is a pretty safe assumption, what is the problem?
Remember when many crushed Mike Tomlin for going easy on LeVeon Bell last month for being late to a game? Everyone disagreed that it was the exact opposite of the way that Belichick would have handled it, because Belichick will discipline you.
Now, he just did that, and suddenly it is an issue?
"But it was the Super Bowl!"
Doesn't matter. The Belichick Standard applies at all times. He is not going to relax it for Game 1, Game 17 or the Super Bowl.
It's easy to say, "he cost them the Super Bowl by not playing Butler," but by holding players to his standard 365 days a year, how many games has he won them because players knew they had to live up to and adhere to that standard at all times? More than we can count.
And let us not forget, Belichick is the GOAT because his coaching style is a disciplinary one, yet all of a sudden we want to criticize him for disciplining a player? Come on. Doing what he did Sunday is part of Belichick's coaching DNA and everyone should know this by now.
100% agree with this. Butler fucked up and Belichick held him accountable. I actually think it takes bigger balls to hold people accountable than to go soft, even it is the Super Bowl. This is why the Patriots have been good for so lng.
In regards to McDaniels I'm not going to throw shade him. We recently had this same thing happen at my job. We interviewed a lady who was AMAZING. She accepted but when she went to put her two weeks in at her current job they offered a big raise and she changed her mind. It sucked but I understand that people have to what's best for them sometimes. I think McDaniels will be the next coach of the Patriots when Bill leaves. He's probably got a raise and doesn't have to move his family. Plus, I think the Colts are dumpster fire even with Luck. Good choice by McDaniels.
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I don't disagree with doing what's best for you, but I think the difference in your example and this case is that there's only 32 NFL head coaching jobs that exist. Those opportunities don't come up in the grand scheme of things compared to any other job. Burning that bridge means he probably cut his chances of being an NFL coach with not only Indy, but probably a few more franchises that don't like that flip flop. Granted, I agree with the thought that he's likely the next Pats coach, but I'm not entirely sure he made the best choice or not. As much as I kind of wanted him to be the next NYG coach, I am glad he didn't string them along in the process.
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But I don't think he intentionally strung Indy along. It sounds like he went to clean out his office and say good bye and Kraft and Belichick had a conversation with him then. Sounds like it really was a last second decision that he didn't intend on making. I get it doesn't look good and I'm sure it pissed off the Colts but that offer had to be pretty sweet to burn a lot of future bridges.
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Yea, this may be the best decision, I just don't know if it's really clear that it is. Maybe BB told him a timeline for when he will retire, but sometimes these big time coaches hang on much longer than they say they will and the head coach waiting behind ends up leaving anyway.
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Not sure how I feel about the Broncos getting Cousins. On the one hand, getting him would give us a top 10-12 QB, but on the other hand, paying him the money he wants will mean having to get rid of some good players to get under the cap.
Good point. They need to improve the offensive line or it doesn't really matter who plays QB. On the other hand, if they draft one of the bust-in-waiting QBs at #5, they'll have to throw a shload of first round money at him, so maybe Cousins is the best option for a tough situation.
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From what I've read, there is no hard promise or guarantee; nothing in writing.
Other rumors (for the record I put little faith in any of them, except possibly the first):
- It's been denied, but that Luck's health factored in (i.e it's not looking good).
- Irsay's drinking factored in (and Kraft pointed that out)
- Kraft threw a shitload of cash at him, all with the purpose of screwing over the Colts in response to blowing the whistle on Deflate gate.
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Irsay's drinking is a real issue if it's leading to coaches wanting to stay away. I'd be really mad if I were a Colts fan.
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Regarding the Malcolm Butler situation, here it how I see it:
If we can assume for the sake of argument that Butler did something that was worthy of being disciplined by the Belichick Standard, which is a pretty safe assumption, what is the problem?
Remember when many crushed Mike Tomlin for going easy on LeVeon Bell last month for being late to a game? Everyone disagreed that it was the exact opposite of the way that Belichick would have handled it, because Belichick will discipline you.
Now, he just did that, and suddenly it is an issue?
"But it was the Super Bowl!"
Doesn't matter. The Belichick Standard applies at all times. He is not going to relax it for Game 1, Game 17 or the Super Bowl.
It's easy to say, "he cost them the Super Bowl by not playing Butler," but by holding players to his standard 365 days a year, how many games has he won them because players knew they had to live up to and adhere to that standard at all times? More than we can count.
And let us not forget, Belichick is the GOAT because his coaching style is a disciplinary one, yet all of a sudden we want to criticize him for disciplining a player? Come on. Doing what he did Sunday is part of Belichick's coaching DNA and everyone should know this by now.
Dear lord, yes this. I agree 100%.
Fans in Pittsburgh are dying for a coach to discipline players. I back BB's call on this 100%.
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Regarding the Malcolm Butler situation, here it how I see it:
If we can assume for the sake of argument that Butler did something that was worthy of being disciplined by the Belichick Standard, which is a pretty safe assumption, what is the problem?
Remember when many crushed Mike Tomlin for going easy on LeVeon Bell last month for being late to a game? Everyone disagreed that it was the exact opposite of the way that Belichick would have handled it, because Belichick will discipline you.
Now, he just did that, and suddenly it is an issue?
"But it was the Super Bowl!"
Doesn't matter. The Belichick Standard applies at all times. He is not going to relax it for Game 1, Game 17 or the Super Bowl.
It's easy to say, "he cost them the Super Bowl by not playing Butler," but by holding players to his standard 365 days a year, how many games has he won them because players knew they had to live up to and adhere to that standard at all times? More than we can count.
And let us not forget, Belichick is the GOAT because his coaching style is a disciplinary one, yet all of a sudden we want to criticize him for disciplining a player? Come on. Doing what he did Sunday is part of Belichick's coaching DNA and everyone should know this by now.
Fully agreed, well said.
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Regarding Malcolm Butler, I get what you guys are saying but at the same time it also feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face to a degree. The reason you have that discipline in place is because you think it will ultimately help your team win the Super Bowl, but I think there's conflict in a case like this where enforcing that discipline potentially hurts your chances of winning a Super Bowl, because you're playing in the Super Bowl. I even get benching him for the first series or first quarter (if I recall correctly that's what Wes Welker got for make not so veiled foot jokes ahead of playing Rex Ryan and the Jets in the playoffs), but at a certain point I find it hard to keep someone who could potentially be helping your secondary (which is getting lit up) on the bench for the entire game. Especially given from everything I've heard it was a minor infraction.
As far as Josh McDaniels goes, I don't think he was purposely stringing Indy along, and I do think he has the right to change his mind about what's best for him at any point up until the ink is dry on the contract. I do think he also handled it poorly though, as I heard that the assistants he handpicked who had already signed on with Indy never heard from him and found out with the rest of us when it went public. I'd imagine that there's a verbal agreement in place for him to follow Belichick (though the Rooney rule prevents that from ever being official), because this would definitely impact him if he tried to find a gig elsewhere next year.
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Regarding Malcolm Butler, I get what you guys are saying but at the same time it also feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face to a degree. The reason you have that discipline in place is because you think it will ultimately help your team win the Super Bowl...
I disagree. And, more importantly, I think Belichick would disagree. The goal, to him, isn't winning the Super Bowl. The goal is winning (or not) the right way. Discipline is a huge part of that. I think he would rather lose a game, even the Super Bowl itself, than lose control of player discipline.
If you disagree over whether that should be the goal, that's your prerogative. But I think you are mistaken in that you misunderstand what the goal actually is. Playing with discipline and dignity, regardless of the outcome, is his goal. But winning tends to be a natural byproduct of that.
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Regarding Malcolm Butler, I get what you guys are saying but at the same time it also feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face to a degree. The reason you have that discipline in place is because you think it will ultimately help your team win the Super Bowl, but I think there's conflict in a case like this where enforcing that discipline potentially hurts your chances of winning a Super Bowl, because you're playing in the Super Bowl. I even get benching him for the first series or first quarter (if I recall correctly that's what Wes Welker got for make not so veiled foot jokes ahead of playing Rex Ryan and the Jets in the playoffs), but at a certain point I find it hard to keep someone who could potentially be helping your secondary (which is getting lit up) on the bench for the entire game. Especially given from everything I've heard it was a minor infraction.
Here's the thing though - if you bend in this instance, it basically negates everything BB's culture has stood for all these years. The team is bigger than the individual, "do your job", etc... all that is thrown out the window. Then BB has basically become...every other NFL coach (all of whom have never won like BB has).
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I don't think game would have turned out any differently if Butler played. The Patriots defense has been an issue all season. I think their stats looked better on paper due to their relatively weak schedule. If I was a Lions fan I would not be happy with the Patricia hire.
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Regarding Malcolm Butler, I get what you guys are saying but at the same time it also feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face to a degree. The reason you have that discipline in place is because you think it will ultimately help your team win the Super Bowl...
I disagree. And, more importantly, I think Belichick would disagree. The goal, to him, isn't winning the Super Bowl. The goal is winning (or not) the right way.
Is it really? That doesn't sound like the BB who lead teams with two scandals. He seems to have a win at all costs (and under my rules, hence the discipline because I agree, that's part of winning) type of mentality from my understanding/feelings about him.
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I don't think game would have turned out any differently if Butler played. The Patriots defense has been an issue all season. I think their stats looked better on paper due to their relatively weak schedule. If I was a Lions fan I would not be happy with the Patricia hire.
Yes and no. The D has been an issue because of really, really shoddy tackling, and that's at the core of what sank them on Sunday. So yeah, they would have gotten torched. At the same time you take away a one or two of those 3rd and longs, which MB might very well have done, and it's a very different game regardless.
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Hoodie Jr's agent just dropped him. I have always really disliked him. This just reinforces my feelings.
https://sports.yahoo.com/josh-mcdaniels-agent-reportedly-terminates-relationship-colts-fiasco-184708378.html
Regarding Butler, there is a lot of he said-he said stuff going around. Sounds like the locker room was really pissed about the benching and many players have come out in support of him, including Brady. Butler even put out a statement disputing everything about curfew issues.
It's nice to see the Pats have some dirty laundry for once. Things aren't so smooth in Hoodieland.
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Regarding Malcolm Butler, I get what you guys are saying but at the same time it also feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face to a degree. The reason you have that discipline in place is because you think it will ultimately help your team win the Super Bowl...
I disagree. And, more importantly, I think Belichick would disagree. The goal, to him, isn't winning the Super Bowl. The goal is winning (or not) the right way.
Is it really? That doesn't sound like the BB who lead teams with two scandals. He seems to have a win at all costs (and under my rules, hence the discipline because I agree, that's part of winning) type of mentality from my understanding/feelings about him.
I can very easily differentiate between a scandal like "signals" (which EVERY team in the league does, and, in baseball, I can remember doing back in high school) and a disciplinary issue of ONE PLAYER like blowing curfew or huffing weed the day before the big game. One is at least nominally trying to have every edge possible, which is exactly what the discipline is.
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So..Kev's post is getting a lot of play, and I agree with what he said, but.....
The Patriots are on record as this was not a discipline issue, but a football issue. Adam Schefter reported as much again this morning, which is basically the same as the Pats going on the record. He has a direct line to the team.
So, if this was truly a football issue, does anyone buy that? If he was good enough to play the most defensive snaps this year, and 100% of the snaps in the two playoff games, suddenly he's a football liability? And if it was truly a football decision, why not 1. adjust when the D is getting torched, and 2. dress someone else that could help them. Alan Branch maybe, who might've helped with the 7+ Run Yds against.
Most Pats fans are fine if Butler committed a major violation and Belichick sent him home. But if he's going to dress, and take up a roster spot, then what the hell is going on with that?
I don't think game would have turned out any differently if Butler played. The Patriots defense has been an issue all season. I think their stats looked better on paper due to their relatively weak schedule. If I was a Lions fan I would not be happy with the Patricia hire.
Yes and no. The D has been an issue because of really, really shoddy tackling, and that's at the core of what sank them on Sunday. So yeah, they would have gotten torched. At the same time you take away a one or two of those 3rd and longs, which MB might very well have done, and it's a very different game regardless.
And there's the rub. Butler was the team's best tackler. And in a game where a half dozen plays that go either way makes the difference, it makes no sense to not play him, even if there was some point to prove, at some point you make the adjustment.
And Josh is definitely a weasel.
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You are also forgetting the domino effect taking out Butler who played 98% of all the snaps all year. Now guys are playing out of position in different spots in the game plan had to change slightly. this was a huge mistake by Belichick.
There was also signs of McDaniels hesitating on the Cindy job multiple interviews again during the Super Bowl week and leaks about him hesitating. I just thought after the Super Bowl it was a done deal him going to Indy.
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You are also forgetting the domino effect taking out Butler who played 98% of all the snaps all year. Now guys are playing out of position in different spots in the game plan had to change slightly. this was a huge mistake by Belichick.
...and with basically no notice.
There was also signs of McDaniels hesitating on the Cindy job
You think people would be lining up for a...um...Cindy job. ;D
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Who the hell is this guy?? :lol
(https://mediaassets.wxyz.com/photo/2018/02/07/Matt%20Patricia%20pencil_1518034977436.jpg_77246518_ver1.0_640_480.jpg)
Even had Josh actually gone to Indy, I wasn't going to pay any intention. But I am totally going to follow Patricia. By all accounts, he's a great guy and the players loved him.
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If this was behavior based. BB would have been better served to hold Butler out of the first drive, or the first quarter. Having him sit the entire game hurt the entire franchise. Six Lombardis would have been huge. He screwed every stakeholder of the franchise, from the owner down to the fans. And for what? What did Malcom Butler do to deserve this?
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If this was behavior based. BB would have been better served to hold Butler out of the first drive, or the first quarter. Having him sit the entire game hurt the entire franchise. Six Lombardis would have been huge. He screwed every stakeholder of the franchise, from the owner down to the fans. And for what? What did Malcom Butler do to deserve this?
Yes, DOC. Bingo. That's what I'm saying.
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Regarding the Malcolm Butler situation, here it how I see it:
If we can assume for the sake of argument that Butler did something that was worthy of being disciplined by the Belichick Standard, which is a pretty safe assumption, what is the problem?
Remember when many crushed Mike Tomlin for going easy on LeVeon Bell last month for being late to a game? Everyone disagreed that it was the exact opposite of the way that Belichick would have handled it, because Belichick will discipline you.
Now, he just did that, and suddenly it is an issue?
"But it was the Super Bowl!"
Doesn't matter. The Belichick Standard applies at all times. He is not going to relax it for Game 1, Game 17 or the Super Bowl.
It's easy to say, "he cost them the Super Bowl by not playing Butler," but by holding players to his standard 365 days a year, how many games has he won them because players knew they had to live up to and adhere to that standard at all times? More than we can count.
And let us not forget, Belichick is the GOAT because his coaching style is a disciplinary one, yet all of a sudden we want to criticize him for disciplining a player? Come on. Doing what he did Sunday is part of Belichick's coaching DNA and everyone should know this by now.
Dear lord, yes this. I agree 100%.
Fans in Pittsburgh are dying for a coach to discipline players. I back BB's call on this 100%.
Ask the Rex Ryan era Jets and Bils what a player friendly coach does for you.
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There was also signs of McDaniels hesitating on the Cindy job
You think people would be lining up for a...um...Cindy job. ;D
(https://www.bingeclock.com/memes/brady-bunch___cindy_dont_have_time.jpg)
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:lol
Exactly!
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If this was behavior based. BB would have been better served to hold Butler out of the first drive, or the first quarter. Having him sit the entire game hurt the entire franchise. Six Lombardis would have been huge. He screwed every stakeholder of the franchise, from the owner down to the fans. And for what? What did Malcom Butler do to deserve this?
I'm with Axe/Doc/TAC on this one. Also, I think anyone who thinks it being called a "football issue" has anything to do with Butler's ability to play the game is nuts. Every and anything is/can be called a "football" issue. It's not like it was a soccer or basketball issue :lol. Of course it was a "football" issue. This is BB's dry way of saying "none of your fucking business".
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Here's what Schefter said on WEEI this morning:
“Having spoken to a couple of different people about the situation, maybe I am missing something and maybe they are missing something and didn’t know something, but the way it was explained to me was, this was strictly a performance-based decision,” Schefter said.
“Now, again, I am just telling you I understand he played over 97 percent of the snaps (this season). He made one of the two greatest defensive plays in Super Bowl history. He has been somebody they’ve counted on. It defies logic to think that somebody you have counted on that much in the past all of the sudden is not important, but I am just telling you what was told to me. You can believe it or not.
“I was told (he) hasn’t practiced well, hasn’t played well, hasn’t practiced well this season, hasn’t played well this season, and they decided to go in a different direction.”
Like I said, this might as well be the Pats on the record statement. Now it may be something totally else, but that's the story straight from the Patriots.
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:lol
Exactly!
Indy, Cindy, both little sisters. :lol
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:lol
Exactly!
Indy, Cindy, both little sisters. :lol
Hell, the Pats were lucky to be Jan-sonville in the AFC CG.
Yeah..so bad..I know.. :lol
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:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
This is really the first time since the 2009 season that we've seen the inner squabbling behind the Patriot curtain.
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And Josh is definitely a weasel.
That is putting it nicely, and I definitely believe the story about Kraft making him an offer he couldn't refuse just to screw the Colts. Kinda sad that an owner who has been this successful would be so vindictive, but it just reinforces why so many people hate the Patriots. The franchise as a whole is just not likable.
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Josh is the bad guy, not Kraft. We do not know all the pieces and until you have his John Hancock, it's not a deal.
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Kev, it didn't have anything to do with the Colts, Kev. Kraft is protecting himself (and keeping Brady happy) against Belichick leaving, which will be sooner than later.
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Josh is the bad guy, not Kraft. We do not know all the pieces and until you have his John Hancock, it's not a deal.
That's horse hockey. Assistants had signed with Indy since McDaniels had verbally committed to going there. I get that Boston fans don't care about the Colts getting screwed, but he totally screwed those assistants, who are now stuck there coaching under an as-yet-to-be-named head coach. That is not what they signed up for.
Kev, it didn't have anything to do with the Colts, Kev. Kraft is protecting himself (and keeping Brady happy) against Belichick leaving, which will be sooner than later.
I don't buy that for a second. It was out there a month ago about McDaniels going to Indy. Kraft waited to the last possible moment to make him that offer he couldn't refuse, because he knew it would screw Indy in the worst possible way.
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Josh screwed the assistants not Kraft. Kraft needs only to look out for his team, not the Colts.
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Here's something I don't get. Why is this any different than Belichick resigning as HC of NYJ 18 years ago? Seems like what he did was even worse, and while it was shocking I don't recall him getting even a fraction of the flack that JMD is getting now. I guess I just can't help but think that this is now suddenly worse because people already hate the Patriots. Belichick at the time was simply a former failed coach who did something peculiar. Nobody really cared much. JMD is emblematic of the Patriots organization in 2018, and thus he's now history's greatest monster.
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Kev, it didn't have anything to do with the Colts, Kev. Kraft is protecting himself (and keeping Brady happy) against Belichick leaving, which will be sooner than later.
I don't buy that for a second. It was out there a month ago about McDaniels going to Indy. Kraft waited to the last possible moment to make him that offer he couldn't refuse, because he knew it would screw Indy in the worst possible way.
(https://i.imgflip.com/245u54.jpg)
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Here's something I don't get. Why is this any different than Belichick resigning as HC of NYJ 18 years ago? Seems like what he did was even worse, and while it was shocking I don't recall him getting even a fraction of the flack that JMD is getting now. I guess I just can't help but think that this is now suddenly worse because people already hate the Patriots. Belichick at the time was simply a former failed coach who did something peculiar. Nobody really cared much. JMD is emblematic of the Patriots organization in 2018, and thus he's now history's greatest monster.
No doubt. It's amplified to the nth degree because it's the Pat's.
Is John Elway and Eli Manning scumbags since they forced the teams that drafted them to trade them?
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It's not like McD has a spotless track record though; he's been involved in cheating scandals with two different organizations. It makes sense to me that some have been critical of him for this because even I thought he was a weasel before he stiffed the Colts, but then again I'm a Denver fan. It seems like that whole incident he was involved in with Denver really flew under the radar since they were terrible that year.
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It's not like Bill Belichick had a checkered past. How's that work out?
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Here's something I don't get. Why is this any different than Belichick resigning as HC of NYJ 18 years ago? Seems like what he did was even worse, and while it was shocking I don't recall him getting even a fraction of the flack that JMD is getting now. I guess I just can't help but think that this is now suddenly worse because people already hate the Patriots. Belichick at the time was simply a former failed coach who did something peculiar. Nobody really cared much. JMD is emblematic of the Patriots organization in 2018, and thus he's now history's greatest monster.
The difference is that Belichick lost his first head coaching job due to the Browns moving/seizing operations. It had nothing to do with his coaching since it looked like the Browns were headed in the right direction. Also, while here in NY he got a lot of crap for his decision, his reasoning was fair (uncomfortable with the ownership situation due to the death of Leon Hess) and he at least had the balls to actually stand at the podium and make a statement. Now let’s look at McDaniels, a guy who was fired from his first head coaching job because he quite frankly did a terrible job. Very few coaches get a second chance to prove themselves as a HC, and even less get a third chance. He ignored his agent, who told him it would be a bad idea to decline the Colts job at the last second, and eventually his agent dropped him. And he has yet to give his reasoning, leaving his selected personnel high and dry. Also, if there was a “handshake agreement” that he would be the successor to Belichick, that could also potentially be in violation of the Rooney Rule.
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Here's something I don't get. Why is this any different than Belichick resigning as HC of NYJ 18 years ago? Seems like what he did was even worse, and while it was shocking I don't recall him getting even a fraction of the flack that JMD is getting now. I guess I just can't help but think that this is now suddenly worse because people already hate the Patriots. Belichick at the time was simply a former failed coach who did something peculiar. Nobody really cared much. JMD is emblematic of the Patriots organization in 2018, and thus he's now history's greatest monster.
No doubt. It's amplified to the nth degree because it's the Pat's.
Is John Elway and Eli Manning scumbags since they forced the teams that drafted them to trade them?
I think that the situation with both of those QB's is miles away from this. They were both very forthcoming with their views on their situations. The problem with this one is that he seemingly led the team on, and possibly used it as leverage for better compensation from his current owner. Sure, this happens in every day Life, but the overall implications are vastly different.
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I dont agree. They forced their way ou but it's ok because they were honest? Josh leveraged his way to less money and less power?
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I don't like what those QBs did, and I don't like what JMcD did, but none of them are "scumbags" for doing so. I just wonder if what Josh did was even the best decision for himself, long term. I don't think the QB's decisions were as hurtful to themselves in the long run.
They talked about this on sports radio this morning and Boomer brought up how the quote out there is BB is going to "open the world" to Josh. So, he didn't show him his ways before? :lol Maybe that's why many of BB's assistants fail as head coaches.
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I think that the situation with both of those QB's is miles away from this.
Yep. The situations aren't remotely comparable.
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Bullshit they are not. Listen I'm not saying Josh is not wrong but don't give me that both those QB's did not pull crap to get out of their situation. It's equally as bad. Sorry. You both are wrong.
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Bullshit they are not. Listen I'm not saying Josh is not wrong but don't give me that both those QB's did not pull crap to get out of their situation. It's equally as bad. Sorry. You both are wrong.
The only way they are comparable would've been if either had negotiated a deal, and agreed, then walked away from it less than 8 hours before the announced pressed. Joe, your offsides on this one. Apples and oranges. Elway/Manning exercised their only means of leverage to do what was right for their career; McDaniels accepted a last minute counter-offer.
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Seem to me you guys lean towards the players more. I think the coaches should have that flexibility as well. I only abhor owners. I personally do not belive a player has a right to pick where they want to go until they hit free agency. They deserve it. Rookie should not have that.
Again, I think Josh was wrong here. I don't deny that at all but lets look at the players on those teams that these 2 QB's shunned. It's as equal as these coaches that were screwed by Josh.
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I wasn't too keen on Indy firing Chuck Pagano considering that his franchise QB played zero snaps this year, so I can't help but feel a little bit of karma playing out. Wasn't nice for McDaniels to string them along only to change his mind, but he technically didn't break any rules. And personally speaking, I'd rather be head coach in waiting for Kraft, then the head coach for Irsay, if that's indeed what McDaniels' based his decision on.
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People always want to justify why one is not the same. Bad is bad. People want to argue because they do not like a certain team and excuse others for their digressions. Bad is bad. Josh should have dropped out early. it's oblivious he had reservations and waffled and when Kraft stepped up, he bit. I think some of this was Kraft realizing that after Bill's actions in the SB he may need a back up plan when he didn't think so before.
DOC, I think he's a good coach that the ownership and past GM, Griggson(SP?) let down. How has Luck been out this long? He's too young, they mismanaged his injury. Such a shame. He really was the next big QB.
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People always want to justify why one is not the same. Bad is bad. People want to argue because they do not like a certain team and excuse others for their digressions. Bad is bad. Josh should have dropped out early. it's oblivious he had reservations and waffled and when Kraft stepped up, he bit. I think some of this was Kraft realizing that after Bill's actions in the SB he may need a back up plan when he didn't think so before.
DOC, I think he's a good coach that the ownership and past GM, Griggson(SP?) let down. How has Luck been out this long? He's too young, they mismanaged his injury. Such a shame. He really was the next big QB.
I agree. Other than drafting Luck and TY Hilton, they have messed up literally every other facet of running a football team over the past few years.
And I know that the wait for your coach strategy worked for the 49ers last year, as Kyle Shanahan made good on his verbal and signed on, but my solution for this would be simple. NO team can interview or sign a new head coach until AFTER the Super Bowl. Think about how exciting this week would be if all 7 or 8 teams with HC vacancies were having interviews scrambling to get their guy.
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There was talk on our local radio stations saying they should do that.
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I'm still not going to begrudge JMD for doing what he felt was best for him and his family. He never signed and those assistants shouldn't have signed until he did.
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^^^ Kinda leaning there.
First, I don't think the QB and JMD situations are the same. Manning and Elway both said, in advance, that they would not play for the team expected to draft them. The team that DID draft them did so with full disclosure and full knowledge. They knew the risk going in.
Having said that, I don't know that what JMD did was so egregious. Perfect? No. But what would you have him do? Decline the better offer, move his family, and then be miserable and second-guessing? That the assistants signed is unfortunate, but I think Kaos has is right. They are adults and they took the risk. Now, some of this is subject to change, depending on what was actually said, but still. I think if this was St. Louis, and Joe McOffensive Coordinator, instead of the Patriots and Josh McDaniel, we wouldn't be talking about this.
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A bad move by the Colts was announcing these assistants signed before announcing the head coach. They never should have done that.
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Here's something I don't get. Why is this any different than Belichick resigning as HC of NYJ 18 years ago? Seems like what he did was even worse, and while it was shocking I don't recall him getting even a fraction of the flack that JMD is getting now. I guess I just can't help but think that this is now suddenly worse because people already hate the Patriots. Belichick at the time was simply a former failed coach who did something peculiar. Nobody really cared much. JMD is emblematic of the Patriots organization in 2018, and thus he's now history's greatest monster.
The difference is that Belichick lost his first head coaching job due to the Browns moving/seizing operations. It had nothing to do with his coaching since it looked like the Browns were headed in the right direction. Also, while here in NY he got a lot of crap for his decision, his reasoning was fair (uncomfortable with the ownership situation due to the death of Leon Hess) and he at least had the balls to actually stand at the podium and make a statement. Now let’s look at McDaniels, a guy who was fired from his first head coaching job because he quite frankly did a terrible job. Very few coaches get a second chance to prove themselves as a HC, and even less get a third chance. He ignored his agent, who told him it would be a bad idea to decline the Colts job at the last second, and eventually his agent dropped him. And he has yet to give his reasoning, leaving his selected personnel high and dry. Also, if there was a “handshake agreement” that he would be the successor to Belichick, that could also potentially be in violation of the Rooney Rule.
Bill was hated in Cleveland. Bill Bellicose? "Bill Belichick's five-year reign of error is over.''? "The Voice of Doom?" He fired Kosar and saddled them with Andre Risen. He lost six of his last seven games, and each season was worse than the one before, finishing 36-44. Model certainly could have taken him to Baltimore, where he would have gone to a place where he was less despised, but chose not to.
And while people keep citing his agent dropping him, it's important to note that he also represented Indy's GM. I think it's safe to say loyalty factored into this. Moreover, what reason did the agent have to stick with him anyway? He simply saw him as no longer profitable to his bottom line.
As for the career aspect, his head coaching prospects were the same either way. He takes the Colts job and if he fails he's done. He takes the NE job and if he fails he's done. I'm not sure there's much difference between being a two-time loser and a guy who betrays a team in terms of future job prospects. Whereas if he keeps the Patriots afloat after Bill leaves then the same people bitching about him now will be clamoring to hire him away from NE. It' just a matter of if he wins or loses at his next coaching gig.
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Eagles parade should be entertaining. So happy for this fanbase
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And I disagree with McDaniels' being unhirable because of this. Someone like Pioli will take him in a heartbeat if he's ever in that position again and the need arises. He still has stock, and when it comes to "winning or losing", owners will put up with a lot of sins to make that happen.
El Barto is right; what WILL make him unhirable is his next HC gig. He fails there, he's likely Dick LeBeau or Dante Scarnecchia, the eternal coordinator. I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't - implicitly - part of the conversation. "I can't promise you the Pats job - Rooney - but if you go to Indy and Luck's shoulder doesn't rehab right, or Brissette isn't the guy, and you fail, I can promise you you WON'T get the Pats - or any - job after that. Help us finish this out, and you're no worse off, perhaps better off, than any other scenario."
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49ers get the deal done with Garoppolo. 5 years, $137.5.
(https://usat49erswire.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/usatsi_10383928-1.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1)
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49ers get the deal done with Garoppolo. 5 years, $137.5.
Now, for the love of god, please make sure we upgrade the O-line so that our shiny new toy doesn't get broken in a year or two.
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That rules out Jimmy G. captaining the S.S. Patriot any time soon. Bill wouldn't pay that for his entire offense.
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Jason Kelce is a fn trip.
https://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2018/02/eagles_super_bowl_parade.html
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Good for Jimmy G!
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This current Patriots run has been absolutely incredible. Below are the 32 teams, sorted by the number of conference championship game appearances over the past 7 seasons:
Seven
New England
Three
San Francisco
Two
Atlanta
Baltimore
Denver
Green Bay
Seattle
One
Arizona
Carolina
Indianapolis
Jacksonville
Minnesota
N.Y. Giants
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
Zero
Buffalo
Chicago
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Dallas
Detroit
Houston
Kansas City
L.A. Chargers
L.A. Rams
Miami
N.Y. Jets
New Orleans
Oakland
Tampa Bay
Tennessee
Washington
Even more remarkable is how many conference championship games the Patriots have played in since Brady took over the starting job in 2001. Below is the list over the past 17 seasons:
Twelve
New England
Six
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
Five
Indianapolis
Four
Green Bay
Three
Atlanta
Baltimore
Carolina
Denver
San Francisco
Seattle
Two
Arizona
Chicago
Minnesota
New Orleans
N.Y. Giants
N.Y. Jets
One
Jacksonville
S.D. Chargers
St.L Rams
Oakland
Tampa Bay
Tennessee
Zero
Buffalo
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Dallas
Detroit
Houston
Kansas City
Miami
Washington
Love them or hate them, this is excellence sustained, not to mention their 5 Lombardis over the same span.
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Seem to me you guys lean towards the players more. I think the coaches should have that flexibility as well. I only abhor owners. I personally do not belive a player has a right to pick where they want to go until they hit free agency. They deserve it. Rookie should not have that.
Again, I think Josh was wrong here. I don't deny that at all but lets look at the players on those teams that these 2 QB's shunned. It's as equal as these coaches that were screwed by Josh.
No. Just, no.
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Sorry Kev. I do not agree with you at all except that Josh shouldn't have dropped out last minute.
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Sorry Kev. I do not agree with you at all except that Josh shouldn't have dropped out last minute.
The worst part of Josh's decision was the guys that up and left their existing jobs to be part of his new staff in Indy. He did them dirty, and there should have been no assembling of a staff until a contract was signed. But even with that said, I don't even think that a signed contract would have stopped Josh from running back to daddy Kraft
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I agree. No doubt. It still calls into Indy's decision to allow this without getting his name on the dotted line as well as releasing the information of the signings.
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Honestly if I were Indy, Id try and get the Commissioner involved and at least wrangle a draft pick out of this.
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No signed contract, no hope for what you are seeking Tim.
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But if you verbally agree. Then sign coaches on the team's behalf, I think it'd be worth an inquiry. Or filing a complaint.
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Imagine all the lawsuits in the NFL from That? :lol
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First, I don't think the QB and JMD situations are the same. Manning and Elway both said, in advance, that they would not play for the team expected to draft them. The team that DID draft them did so with full disclosure and full knowledge. They knew the risk going in.
Having said that, I don't know that what JMD did was so egregious. Perfect? No. But what would you have him do? Decline the better offer, move his family, and then be miserable and second-guessing? That the assistants signed is unfortunate, but I think Kaos has is right. They are adults and they took the risk. Now, some of this is subject to change, depending on what was actually said, but still. I think if this was St. Louis, and Joe McOffensive Coordinator, instead of the Patriots and Josh McDaniel, we wouldn't be talking about this.
Dear lord, it must be frosty in hell, because I absolutely agree with Stads here.
And the NFL should have a moratorium on coaching staff movement until the season is completely over. The NHL does ... I assume MLB And NBA too? It's ridiculous that coaches who should be preparing their teams for the biggest games are interviewing and job hunting.
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:lol.
It really should be.
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Jason Kelce is a fn trip.
https://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2018/02/eagles_super_bowl_parade.html
I still don't like the Eagles, but Jason Kelce may be my favorite player in the league now. A Mummers costume!!! How Philly! I've mentioned before a couple times that I'm a Mum - I played in one of the string bands - and wore costumes like that all the time. Great tradition, and I can tell you, if he didn't already, he connected HARD CORE with that fan base with that speech and that gesture. (Every year tens of thousands of people line Broad Street on New Year's Day to watch the Mummer's Parade, a day-long march of all the string bands (anywhere from 16 to 20 depending on the year) from the stadia to City Hall. A tradition that goes back over a hundred years.
EDIT: That suit was donated by the band I played in, Avalon String Band. The guy who's suit it is is the musical director of the band (extremely talented musician) and played o-line in college; most suits aren't that big. https://phl17.com/2018/02/08/the-mummers-jason-kelce-costume-connection/
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Sorry Kev. I do not agree with you at all except that Josh shouldn't have dropped out last minute.
The worst part of Josh's decision was the guys that up and left their existing jobs to be part of his new staff in Indy. He did them dirty, and there should have been no assembling of a staff until a contract was signed. But even with that said, I don't even think that a signed contract would have stopped Josh from running back to daddy Kraft
Those things are not on Josh, though. HE didn't sign them, HE didn't take the chance (albeit with reliance on Josh, I get it).
And no, a signed contract probably wouldn't have, unless there was a stiff buyout clause. If I recall correctly, Bill had a contract with the Jets and resigned; the Jets were compensated with a draft pick, but still. What if Josh had waited a week or a month, or even a year? Would it be any different? At least now, there's only three coaches (that may or may not have been lined up before, and may or may not have taken the job anyway) that are out a HC.
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First, I don't think the QB and JMD situations are the same. Manning and Elway both said, in advance, that they would not play for the team expected to draft them. The team that DID draft them did so with full disclosure and full knowledge. They knew the risk going in.
Having said that, I don't know that what JMD did was so egregious. Perfect? No. But what would you have him do? Decline the better offer, move his family, and then be miserable and second-guessing? That the assistants signed is unfortunate, but I think Kaos has is right. They are adults and they took the risk. Now, some of this is subject to change, depending on what was actually said, but still. I think if this was St. Louis, and Joe McOffensive Coordinator, instead of the Patriots and Josh McDaniel, we wouldn't be talking about this.
Dear lord, it must be frosty in hell, because I absolutely agree with Stads here.
And the NFL should have a moratorium on coaching staff movement until the season is completely over. The NHL does ... I assume MLB And NBA too? It's ridiculous that coaches who should be preparing their teams for the biggest games are interviewing and job hunting.
Oh, Jingle, admit it; it feels good doesn't it? Like a warm bath. :)
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Jason Kelce is a fn trip.
https://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2018/02/eagles_super_bowl_parade.html
I still don't like the Eagles, but Jason Kelce may be my favorite player in the league now.
Yeah, I watched that yesterday. Fantastic! I know nothing of the Mummers or that tradition. But he nailed it. You couldn't watch that and not smile.
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Jason Kelce is a fn trip.
https://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2018/02/eagles_super_bowl_parade.html
I still don't like the Eagles, but Jason Kelce may be my favorite player in the league now. A Mummers costume!!! How Philly! I've mentioned before a couple times that I'm a Mum - I played in one of the string bands - and wore costumes like that all the time. Great tradition, and I can tell you, if he didn't already, he connected HARD CORE with that fan base with that speech and that gesture. (Every year tens of thousands of people line Broad Street on New Year's Day to watch the Mummer's Parade, a day-long march of all the string bands (anywhere from 16 to 20 depending on the year) from the stadia to City Hall. A tradition that goes back over a hundred years.
EDIT: That suit was donated by the band I played in, Avalon String Band. The guy who's suit it is is the musical director of the band (extremely talented musician) and played o-line in college; most suits aren't that big. https://phl17.com/2018/02/08/the-mummers-jason-kelce-costume-connection/
Bingo. Wearing that Mummers costume was a stroke of genius. He is now universally beloved in that town, and as Bosk's posts indicates, even those outside of the area and unfamiliar with the culture could appreciate his passion and blunt message.
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It was glorious. I felt like he could be a wrestler in WWE. He was hilarious.
Did any of you hear about the local beat writer in Boston (Ron Borges) who thought he was getting texts from Don Yee (Tom Brady's Agent) that Brady was going to hold out of OTA's to get a new contract? He ran with it and it was a prank by a local fan. Borges said he had multiple sources and the local radio station, WEEI, was tipped off by the fan and broke the news this morning. Borges was know for having an agenda against Bill Belichick all these years. Goes to show you you can't trust the media anymore. None will vet these leads.
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First, I don't think the QB and JMD situations are the same. Manning and Elway both said, in advance, that they would not play for the team expected to draft them. The team that DID draft them did so with full disclosure and full knowledge. They knew the risk going in.
Having said that, I don't know that what JMD did was so egregious. Perfect? No. But what would you have him do? Decline the better offer, move his family, and then be miserable and second-guessing? That the assistants signed is unfortunate, but I think Kaos has is right. They are adults and they took the risk. Now, some of this is subject to change, depending on what was actually said, but still. I think if this was St. Louis, and Joe McOffensive Coordinator, instead of the Patriots and Josh McDaniel, we wouldn't be talking about this.
Dear lord, it must be frosty in hell, because I absolutely agree with Stads here.
And the NFL should have a moratorium on coaching staff movement until the season is completely over. The NHL does ... I assume MLB And NBA too? It's ridiculous that coaches who should be preparing their teams for the biggest games are interviewing and job hunting.
Oh, Jingle, admit it; it feels good doesn't it? Like a warm bath. :)
A warm something that involves soapy water, that's for sure. *Bath* wasn't what I was thinking though. :lol
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It was glorious. I felt like he could be a wrestler in WWE. He was hilarious.
Did any of you hear about the local beat writer in Boston (Ron Borges) who thought he was getting texts from Don Yee (Tom Brady's Agent) that Brady was going to hold out of OTA's to get a new contract? He ran with it and it was a prank by a local fan. Borges said he had multiple sources and the local radio station, WEEI, was tipped off by the fan and broke the news this morning. Borges was know for having an agenda against Bill Belichick all these years. Goes to show you you can't trust the media anymore. None will vet these leads.
#fakenews :lol Pretty funny, I actually just got myself a second phone number that no one knows for the sole purpose of prank calls. I got my buddy good yesterday who owns a carwash business.
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re: Garoppolo
First thought: ridiculous.
Second thought: the Ravens have been mired with Flacco's contract since Day One. Didn't resign Bouldin, good OLs go to other teams due to lack of cap space, etc etc etc. Did he deserve to be rewarded? Absolutely....but not to the extent of what he signed. I blame him and the front office for that.
Ditto for Seattle and Wilson, and all or most QB contracts. 'It's not about the money, I want to win.'
B.S. !!!!!
The kid might do OK in San Fran. He'd have done better with money left for the franchise to plug the needed holes as they develop (and the holes will develop).
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re: Garoppolo
First thought: ridiculous.
Second thought: the Ravens have been mired with Flacco's contract since Day One. Didn't resign Bouldin, good OLs go to other teams due to lack of cap space, etc etc etc. Did he deserve to be rewarded? Absolutely....but not to the extent of what he signed. I blame him and the front office for that.
Ditto for Seattle and Wilson, and all or most QB contracts. 'It's not about the money, I want to win.'
B.S. !!!!!
The kid might do OK in San Fran. He'd have done better with money left for the franchise to plug the needed holes as they develop (and the holes will develop).
Totally this. I could not agree more.
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It was glorious. I felt like he could be a wrestler in WWE. He was hilarious.
Did any of you hear about the local beat writer in Boston (Ron Borges) who thought he was getting texts from Don Yee (Tom Brady's Agent) that Brady was going to hold out of OTA's to get a new contract? He ran with it and it was a prank by a local fan. Borges said he had multiple sources and the local radio station, WEEI, was tipped off by the fan and broke the news this morning. Borges was know for having an agenda against Bill Belichick all these years. Goes to show you you can't trust the media anymore. None will vet these leads.
#fakenews :lol Pretty funny, I actually just got myself a second phone number that no one knows for the sole purpose of prank calls. I got my buddy good yesterday who owns a carwash business.
Call me a juvenile, but I LOVE a good prank call. Still the funniest part of the Stern show for me.
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re: Garoppolo
First thought: ridiculous.
Second thought: the Ravens have been mired with Flacco's contract since Day One. Didn't resign Bouldin, good OLs go to other teams due to lack of cap space, etc etc etc. Did he deserve to be rewarded? Absolutely....but not to the extent of what he signed. I blame him and the front office for that.
Ditto for Seattle and Wilson, and all or most QB contracts. 'It's not about the money, I want to win.'
B.S. !!!!!
The kid might do OK in San Fran. He'd have done better with money left for the franchise to plug the needed holes as they develop (and the holes will develop).
Generally speaking I agree completely. I had an argument with my brother the Saints fan about Brees refusing to take a pay cut that would have improved the team (and himself) immeasurably. "Fuck that, it's not his job to take pay cuts!" Well, no it's not. Just don't bitch about it when he gets sacked 60 times in a season because they hired their offensive line from a Home Depot parking lot.
However, JG gets a pass on this as he's young and unproven. A player seeking his first real contract should probably take all he can get. If he really does turn out to be the franchise QB for the longterm he can restructure his contract. If he falls apart he can ride the pine safe in the knowledge that he's got 74 million in his checking account. Fuck, even Jamarcus Russell would have to applaud that.
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Generally speaking I agree completely. I had an argument with my brother the Saints fan about Brees refusing to take a pay cut that would have improved the team (and himself) immeasurably. "Fuck that, it's not his job to take pay cuts!" Well, no it's not. Just don't bitch about it when he gets sacked 60 times in a season because they hired their offensive line from a Home Depot parking lot.
However, JG gets a pass on this as he's young and unproven. A player seeking his first real contract should probably take all he can get. If he really does turn out to be the franchise QB for the longterm he can restructure his contract. If he falls apart he can ride the pine safe in the knowledge that he's got 74 million in his checking account. Fuck, even Jamarcus Russell would have to applaud that.
Yes, I'll clarify my agreement to Dragon's post. Ridiculous move on the part of the team? Yes. Probably going to make the supporting cast around him worse? Yes. Did the team overpay? Yes.
All that said, good for Jimmy, athletes gotta take the money when they can, I'd do the same. Like you said, he's generally unproven so if he ends up sucking once the league gets a look at him - he's made his.
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Apparently this contract is structured in a much better, team friendler way than the QB megadeals of years past.
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Apparently this contract is structured in a much better, team friendler way than the QB megadeals of years past.
How so?
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Apparently this contract is structured in a much better, team friendler way than the QB megadeals of years past.
How so?
Small unmarked bills in a paper bag delivered weekly in Jimmy's planter box. :lol
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Apparently this contract is structured in a much better, team friendler way than the QB megadeals of years past.
How so?
There are ways you can distribute the cap hit into smaller pieces. You can also incorporate incentives that you might not have to pay. There are exit routes you can incorporate, as well.
The 49ers worked out a stunningly good deal with Kap a few years back. His "contract" was "worth" 125 million with 61 "guaranteed." He actually made 39 million and the team had no problem dumping him. In fact, they have an absolute shit-ton of cap space now, even after paying JG.
https://www.businessinsider.com/colin-kaepernick-record-49ers-contract-2017-8
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Small unmarked bills in a paper bag delivered weekly in Jimmy's planter box. :lol
Seems sound :lol
There are ways you can distribute the cap hit into smaller pieces. You can also incorporate incentives that you might not have to pay. There are exit routes you can incorporate, as well.
The 49ers worked out a stunningly good deal with Kap a few years back. His "contract" was "worth" 125 million with 61 "guaranteed." He actually made 39 million and the team had no problem dumping him. In fact, they have an absolute shit-ton of cap space now, even after paying JG.
https://www.businessinsider.com/colin-kaepernick-record-49ers-contract-2017-8
Well said, at the end of the day the biggest component here is that NFL contracts aren't really guaranteed, right?
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Technically I think the contracts guarantee that they are not guaranteed.
Joseph Heller aside, it actually does make a lot of sense. They guarantee the terms of employment. They just don't guarantee the employment itself. A seven year contract might say "we'll hire you for 7 years. We'll pay you this much. We can terminate this agreement after 4 years. You can opt out after five years." He doesn't have to work 8 years for them. They can't release him after only 3 years. He will work between 4-7 years for them under the pay schedule they agreed upon.
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Football is one sport I don't mind seeing a player get as much $$ as possible when they can. These guys are literally one play away on every play from being paralyzed the rest of their lives. On top of the fact the abuse their bodies take....I don't mind them getting paid. Same goes for Hockey players. The abuse on their bodies is insane.
Baseball is where I think those contracts are silly.....
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Let's add that football contracts are not fully guaranteed. Hence the front loaded contracts.
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And isn't there usually a choice that has to be made as to whether the guarantee is for skill or injury (but not both)?
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The Eagles have been champs for less than a week and have already been taken out of the thread title? Cold blooded.
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The Eagles have been champs for less than a week and have already been taken out of the thread title? Cold blooded.
I agree with rhis. Put them back up. Well deserved .
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Fine by me!
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The Super Bowl runner up OC spurned the Colts, so they go out and get the Super Bowl winning OC. Frank Reich to Indy.
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Seems that this man is having some serious issues. 2nd offense, and it's a big one!
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/11/report-49ers-reuben-foster-arrested-in-domestic-violence-case/
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The Super Bowl runner up OC spurned the Colts, so they go out and get the Super Bowl winning OC. Frank Reich to Indy.
Well that’s one way to say “go f yourself”.
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The Super Bowl runner up OC spurned the Colts, so they go out and get the Super Bowl winning OC. Frank Reich to Indy.
Well that’s one way to say “go f yourself”.
Or it's the best option since "Go F yourself" gets you 0 wins.
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I recall a funny story about some poor bastard having his life destroyed, twice, by Frank Reich. Bet heavily on a college game and lost the farm when Frank Reich came in in the second half and threw six touchdowns in the greatest comeback in college football history. Ten years later he bets the farm on Houston in the playoffs, only to have Reich start in place of Jim Kelly and again lead the biggest comeback in history. Don't know if it's true, but I wouldn't bet against the guy.
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I'm happy for Indy, they deserved someone with his potential after what happened with McD.
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Huge fan of Frank Reich, from way back (I actually remember watching that second game that el Barto referred to in real time; it was amazing). I hope he does well. I guess I'm tone-deaf to all this because I don't get any sense of karma or schadenfreude or anything like that. They hired a coach. They have questions at quarterback. I don't see "Indy' as anything different than about 15 or 20 other teams in the league.
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Seems that this man is having some serious issues. 2nd offense, and it's a big one!
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/02/11/report-49ers-reuben-foster-arrested-in-domestic-violence-case/
What an awful downer in an otherwise forward looking off-season. If he is found guilty of anything serious I really hope they cut him. I don't care how good he is, I wouldn't want that kind of asterisk following around the team going forward.
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Knock the Pats all you want, but odds are, if he was a Patriot, he'd be gone by now.
By the way, as a Pats fan, I'm kinda looking forward to this season. You've got Bill, with perhaps the greatest motivational tools of his career ("See what all the sidebar bullshit got us? See what all the distractions got us?") and you've got the greatest QB of all time with something to prove (look what happened after he was wrongly accused and wrongly punished for "Deflategate"). Gonna be a good year, baring unforeseen injury.
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Brady has nothing left to prove.
Oh, and what happened the season after he was accused of deflating footballs? He got to the AFCCG, where the Broncos knocked the crap out of him and sent him home. :coolio
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Thank God for Denver fans that defense was all world. A Nasty, fast, aggressive D.
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Thank God for Denver fans that defense was all world. A Nasty, fast, aggressive D.
Absolutely. Lots (most?) of Super Bowls are won by the defence. You guys stopped The Greatest Show on Turf to win Brady's 1st ring.
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Amen to that.
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You guys stopped The Greatest Show on Turf to win Brady's 1st ring.
A sissy, passive.....prevent defense with way too much time on the clock when a field goal could win it was behind that SB loss for the Rams. The Rams came back and scored (14) pts in the fourth quarter to tie it only to hand the ball over and trust their defense to hold, then they just play back and allow massive yardage gains instead of staying hungry and going after the Pats.
The Pats have won (5) Super Bowls.....but I consider that first one to be more of a situation where the Rams lost it....rather than the Pats winning it.
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You guys stopped The Greatest Show on Turf to win Brady's 1st ring.
A sissy, passive.....prevent defense with way too much time on the clock when a field goal could win it was behind that SB loss for the Rams. The Rams came back and scored (14) pts in the fourth quarter to tie it only to hand the ball over and trust their defense to hold, then they just play back and allow massive yardage gains instead of staying hungry and going after the Pats.
The Pats have won (5) Super Bowls.....but I consider that first one to be more of a situation where the Rams lost it....rather than the Pats winning it.
Of course you do :lol. Look, they held the team that averaged 31+ points per game in the regular season (plus 45 and 29 in the 2 playoff games) to 17 with three takeaways. Don't dismiss that as a failing of the offense. The Rams didn't suddenly forget how to score.
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I'm sure that every team that lost to NE in the Super Bowl feel like they lost the game versus NE winning the game. That tends to happen when they're one score games.
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You guys stopped The Greatest Show on Turf to win Brady's 1st ring.
A sissy, passive.....prevent defense with way too much time on the clock when a field goal could win it was behind that SB loss for the Rams. The Rams came back and scored (14) pts in the fourth quarter to tie it only to hand the ball over and trust their defense to hold, then they just play back and allow massive yardage gains instead of staying hungry and going after the Pats.
The Pats have won (5) Super Bowls.....but I consider that first one to be more of a situation where the Rams lost it....rather than the Pats winning it.
That Pats team punched the giant right in the chops. It was their game to lose.
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Nothing good happens after midnight. Kareem Hunt just found that out the hard way.
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That Pats team punched the giant right in the chops. It was their game to lose.
And then, when it was THEIR games to lose, then failed to punch the Giants in the chops.
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No, the Giants punch the Pat's in the chops.
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You guys stopped The Greatest Show on Turf to win Brady's 1st ring.
A sissy, passive.....prevent defense with way too much time on the clock when a field goal could win it was behind that SB loss for the Rams. The Rams came back and scored (14) pts in the fourth quarter to tie it only to hand the ball over and trust their defense to hold, then they just play back and allow massive yardage gains instead of staying hungry and going after the Pats.
The Pats have won (5) Super Bowls.....but I consider that first one to be more of a situation where the Rams lost it....rather than the Pats winning it.
Of course you do :lol. Look, they held the team that averaged 31+ points per game in the regular season (plus 45 and 29 in the 2 playoff games) to 17 with three takeaways. Don't dismiss that as a failing of the offense. The Rams didn't suddenly forget how to score.
well it’s not tough to stifle a super power offense when you’re able to study their game plan via a video taped walk through :biggrin:
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:lol
Faslehoods!! It amazes me the folklore and the damage from a writer that does not get his sources .
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You guys stopped The Greatest Show on Turf to win Brady's 1st ring.
A sissy, passive.....prevent defense with way too much time on the clock when a field goal could win it was behind that SB loss for the Rams. The Rams came back and scored (14) pts in the fourth quarter to tie it only to hand the ball over and trust their defense to hold, then they just play back and allow massive yardage gains instead of staying hungry and going after the Pats.
The Pats have won (5) Super Bowls.....but I consider that first one to be more of a situation where the Rams lost it....rather than the Pats winning it.
Of course you do :lol. Look, they held the team that averaged 31+ points per game in the regular season (plus 45 and 29 in the 2 playoff games) to 17 with three takeaways. Don't dismiss that as a failing of the offense. The Rams didn't suddenly forget how to score.
well it’s not tough to stifle a super power offense when you’re able to study their game plan via a video taped walk through :biggrin:
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I laugh at those who are conspiracy theorists. It's been debunked. No videos of walk throughs. Videos durring games. Yes.
Do your homework and find the Jay Glazier video he got. There is just a much spying on the cheerleaders as signals. :lol
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Turnovers were why the Rams lost that game. They Rams moved the ball up and down the field all day, but 3 turnovers killed them.
And I would point out how the Patriots pick-6 should have been wiped out by the Patriots pass rusher hitting Warner in the head as he released the ball, but, yeah. :lol :lol
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Did you guys have to pass some special Sports Complaining Test to live in the St. Louis area?
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Just out of curiosity, do people really think everything the Patriots have ever done as far as cheating is accessible to the public to look up on the internet? Not trying to come off as an ass, but I've heard evidence was destroyed in several cases. Who really knows what happened...
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Turnovers were why the Rams lost that game. They Rams moved the ball up and down the field all day, but 3 turnovers killed them.
And I would point out how the Patriots pick-6 should have been wiped out by the Patriots pass rusher hitting Warner in the head as he released the ball, but, yeah. :lol :lol
Oh yeah. :lol. I remember that.
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Did you guys have to pass some special Sports Complaining Test to live in the St. Louis area?
It all started in the third grade when Little Jimmy Red Hands clearly cheated at four square. You can’t double hit....everyone knows that but he did, and right on front of Ms. Tate I might add who was the official score keeper.
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Nothing good happens after midnight. Kareem Hunt just found that out the hard way.
HAHAHA, my dad used to always say that to me as I was growing up. :)
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Just out of curiosity, do people really think everything the Patriots have ever done as far as cheating is accessible to the public to look up on the internet? Not trying to come off as an ass, but I've heard evidence was destroyed in several cases. Who really knows what happened...
This is as much to Gary and King as you, but honest question: So what? The rules are the rules, I get that, and as a lawyer, I'm a rules guy by nature. We live by the letter of the law, and we die by the letter of the law. But - and I do not extend this to crimes that infringe on clear, enumerated rights, like "killing someone" or the like - to some degree, there is no obligation to comport with any law IF YOU ARE WILLING TO LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES. Speed limits are clear; I speed. I also don't complain when I get a speeding ticket. I can't say I ALWAYS do this, but there are certainly times when I think to myself, "Is this trip worth $250 and a couple of points on my license?"
I think this idea that every Pats win is tainted is nonsense. I hate to reduce it to a cliché, but if you're not cheating you're not trying. I can remember playing hockey (I was a defenseman) and in the slot, the first thing I'd do is put my hand on the other guys stick - that's a signature for you! - which is a 2:00 penalty, IF I GOT CAUGHT. I got caught once, early on, and figured out there was a way of doing it that was very hard to detect.
Sean Payton and the Saints. Maybe they took it a little too far with having money involved, but if you don't think that teams know who's hurt and factor that into their game plan - on both sides of the ball - you're not really paying attention. I'm not saying they try to hurt the other team, but certainly they're looking for any edge. So-and-so has a sore ankle? Try to force him to make cuts on that foot. All day long.
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So, the only crime is in getting caught? ;D Interesting view coming from a lawyer.
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I think there's a difference in operating in the grey zone and knowingly cheating. Things like videotaping walkthroughs is cheating where as the deflating the balls is grey zone in my mind. The reason why I don't hold these too hard against the Pats, and still think the Pats (Brady and BB) are the GOAT, is because I don't even think they needed these slight advantages. Which makes it even more mind boggling that they did any of these things. But I think that's the competitive nature to try and get every edge. I also don't believe it when people say "everyone" is doing it. That's not the case, but I think there's more than just those who get caught.
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I think there's a difference in operating in the grey zone and knowingly cheating. Things like videotaping walkthroughs is cheating where as the deflating the balls is grey zone in my mind.
They didn't videotape walkthroughs.
And I'm not directing this at you, Cram, but do people even know what Spygate was about? What actually happened?
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I think there's a difference in operating in the grey zone and knowingly cheating. Things like videotaping walkthroughs is cheating where as the deflating the balls is grey zone in my mind.
They didn't videotape walkthroughs.
And I'm not directing this at you, Cram, but do people even know what Spygate was about? What actually happened?
Yea my memory si a bit fuzzy but just reread this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_New_England_Patriots_videotaping_controversy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_New_England_Patriots_videotaping_controversy) and I guess my memory fuzz is due to the retracted article stating that, but there is definitely still some questions about it that were left unanswered. I shouldn't judge them because of that so I'll take back my statement, but instead replace it with videotaping from the sideline.
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I think there's a difference in operating in the grey zone and knowingly cheating. Things like videotaping walkthroughs is cheating where as the deflating the balls is grey zone in my mind.
They didn't videotape walkthroughs.
And I'm not directing this at you, Cram, but do people even know what Spygate was about? What actually happened?
Don't forget about the bugs planted in the opposing locker rooms, the headsets going out. I could go on about these made up baloney. They got caught in the first quarter of the first game filming from the sidelines. It was allowed the year before. BB was an ass for doing that after the memo came out before the start of the season. The Pats got what they deserved for BB's arrogance but now, all this has become larger than life where myths become reality.
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Well, it seems more of a #fakenews argument really since it was reported and retracted. But I think the reason more myths come out is because of the ball deflating thing. It makes it look like there's more shadiness than what we know because they are put under the "cheating" spotlight a second time. I'll also agree that there's probably an aspect of the wild goose chase, that the Pats must be doing something wrong because of all the success. I still think they didn't need any of these "advantages".
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So, the only crime is in getting caught? ;D Interesting view coming from a lawyer.
Why is it surprising? I have worn three legal hats in my day: environmental, contracts, and commercial attorney. I make my money (now) on the latter, but if I have any expertise in this world, it is in contracts. I have taught the rudiments of contract law over the years, and I almost always share a tidbit that my law school contracts professor told us: someone in the class said that someone was "wrong" for breaching the contract, and he said point blank: get it out of your head that "breaching a contract" has a morally bad component. If it makes sense for the parties to breach it is absolutely in society's best interest (using concepts of "utility") for them to breach. This is why the remedy for contract breaches is almost always "to put the parties in the same position they would have been but for the breach".
Again, I have a different take when the crimes involve a violation of someone else's fundamental rights - it's not okay to say "well, it's worth it to me to spend 10 years in the pen and be on the registry to have sex - even if forced - with that girl." There are probably issues that are grey here - stealing comes to mind - and I recognize that some crimes have consequences that go beyond just "a fine" but as a general proposition, I think this is a consistent position to take between "laws", "rights" and "free will".
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Well, it seems more of a #fakenews argument really since it was reported and retracted. But I think the reason more myths come out is because of the ball deflating thing. It makes it look like there's more shadiness than what we know because they are put under the "cheating" spotlight a second time. I'll also agree that there's probably an aspect of the wild goose chase, that the Pats must be doing something wrong because of all the success. I still think they didn't need any of these "advantages".
I know this will drive Kev crazy but all teams look for an advantage. The Pats got caught once. I don't count Deflategate. That was a made up lynching of one of the greatest players ever in the league. So where are the results the league office was supposed to release? We all know the answer why. The funny thing is the league opened the door to it being all about the office's power and in 2020, there will be a lockout of this power.
Makes you wonder if the league office is throwing a bone to the players and allowed them to celebrate TD's hoping to make them forget the power Goodell has.
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I agree all teams look for an advantage, but some go further than others. My opinion is the Pats have done this. I don't think they are some big cheaters, but I don't think you can just sweep their actions under the rug either. I don't really think it affects their legacy as that speaks for itself IMO.
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I just think they suck at not getting caught. :lol
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Well I'd think as part of the other teams trying to find any advantage, one way would be to try to catch the Pats/opponent cheating. The Pats have a target on their backs so most teams will be more likely to dig deep enough to uncover whatever dirt they can whereas no one looks for what the Browns are doing to get an edge.
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The Patriots are below average cheaters (https://yourteamcheats.com/NE).
My Broncos, the Jets and the Colts are much more prolific (https://yourteamcheats.com/).
(For what it's worth)
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Well, it seems more of a #fakenews argument really since it was reported and retracted. But I think the reason more myths come out is because of the ball deflating thing. It makes it look like there's more shadiness than what we know because they are put under the "cheating" spotlight a second time. I'll also agree that there's probably an aspect of the wild goose chase, that the Pats must be doing something wrong because of all the success. I still think they didn't need any of these "advantages".
This isn't wrong, but it gets all kinds of convoluted since the deflating thing was only a thing at all because of the myth. It becomes a sort of self-perpetuating myth.
Also, as I've said in the past we love people who push the boundaries. The closer you get to the line without going over the more revered you are. Yet once you go one micron over that line you're fucking scum and should be banned for life. There's kind of a contradiction in our values here.
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The Patriots are below average cheaters (https://yourteamcheats.com/NE).
My Broncos, the Jets and the Colts are much more prolific (https://yourteamcheats.com/).
(For what it's worth)
Kev, say it ain't so!!!!!!!!!
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Let me answer for Kev.
That site was made by a Patriots fan. I don't trust it.
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What a coincidence, three of the Pats bigger rivals over the last 20 years are the three teams found to have cheated the most.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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What a coincidence, three of the Pats bigger rivals over the last 20 years are the three teams found to have cheated the most.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Wait, are you saying the Jets are our Rivals? :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Well, it seems more of a #fakenews argument really since it was reported and retracted. But I think the reason more myths come out is because of the ball deflating thing. It makes it look like there's more shadiness than what we know because they are put under the "cheating" spotlight a second time. I'll also agree that there's probably an aspect of the wild goose chase, that the Pats must be doing something wrong because of all the success. I still think they didn't need any of these "advantages".
This isn't wrong, but it gets all kinds of convoluted since the deflating thing was only a thing at all because of the myth. It becomes a sort of self-perpetuating myth.
Also, as I've said in the past we love people who push the boundaries. The closer you get to the line without going over the more revered you are. Yet once you go one micron over that line you're fucking scum and should be banned for life. There's kind of a contradiction in our values here.
Well who's values exactly? The team, the fans? You or me? I mean. I'm not disagreeing, but I firmly believe there are some that still do things the "right" way and can still push boundaries without going overboard and I don't think that is really contradictory. My values, personally, are not to "win at all costs" because I don't want my teams winning with some tarnish to them, or any reasoning to believe they didn't win fairly. I don't think this really applies to the Pats, but in general that's how I feel about cheating.
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Well, it seems more of a #fakenews argument really since it was reported and retracted. But I think the reason more myths come out is because of the ball deflating thing. It makes it look like there's more shadiness than what we know because they are put under the "cheating" spotlight a second time. I'll also agree that there's probably an aspect of the wild goose chase, that the Pats must be doing something wrong because of all the success. I still think they didn't need any of these "advantages".
This isn't wrong, but it gets all kinds of convoluted since the deflating thing was only a thing at all because of the myth. It becomes a sort of self-perpetuating myth.
Also, as I've said in the past we love people who push the boundaries. The closer you get to the line without going over the more revered you are. Yet once you go one micron over that line you're fucking scum and should be banned for life. There's kind of a contradiction in our values here.
Well who's values exactly? The team, the fans? You or me? I mean. I'm not disagreeing, but I firmly believe there are some that still do things the "right" way and can still push boundaries without going overboard and I don't think that is really contradictory. My values, personally, are not to "win at all costs" because I don't want my teams winning with some tarnish to them, or any reasoning to believe they didn't win fairly. I don't think this really applies to the Pats, but in general that's how I feel about cheating.
I'm not sure what you mean by "the 'right' way" in this context. It just seems to me that people like when somebody goes as close to the edge of the rulebook as they can, which is still "right." Remember how respectful people were to Belichick when they punked the Ravens with the tackle ineligible play? That was exploiting the rulebook. Yet the second you crossover that line, even inadvertently, you become tainted for all time. I just think it'd be nice for people who credit cleverness to take that into account if things get turned around.
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But that cleverness in the example was perfectly fine cause it was in the rules, and yes to me, "the right way" of skirting the rules to your advantage. When you go to far, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying "you are now cheating and I don't like it". Sometimes that happens by mistake from playing on the edge, and sometimes that happens because you get greedy. Either way, I dont think it's contradictory to like living on the edge vs. getting upset when you go over the edge.
There's an example of skirting the rulebook that was fair game, that I didn't like when I saw it in college. I guess there are exemptions to my above feelings. PSU vs. Wisconsin in 2006 where it was almost the end of the half and Wisconsin kept being offsides on the kick off which lead to a penalty and but the clock would run down during the kick off leading to a 3rd kick off and the end of the half. The reason I don't like it is because it lead to kick off situations where the players could get injured but goddamn was that a genuis way to skirt and manipulate the rules. It certainly worked, and the rules were changed later.
https://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/college/s_478506.html (https://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/college/s_478506.html)
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But that cleverness in the example was perfectly fine cause it was in the rules, and yes to me, "the right way" of skirting the rules to your advantage. When you go to far, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying "you are now cheating and I don't like it". Sometimes that happens by mistake from playing on the edge, and sometimes that happens because you get greedy. Either way, I dont think it's contradictory to like living on the edge vs. getting upset when you go over the edge.
We're in agreement here. Mine is a problem of scale. It's alright to say "you are now cheating and I don't like it." We don't do that, though. We say "you're a fucking cheater and everything you've ever done, do, or will do, is now tainted. Asshole." And even then we only do it with people we already dislike. Nobody gives a shit when San Diego's receivers put stick-em on their gloves, or when Denver's linemen slathered Vaseline all over their arms. Imagine if the Cheatriots were caught doing something like that. All hell would break loose. A vortex would form over St Louis after Kev sucks all the air out of the Earth's atmosphere. We just don't evaluate things well, particularly when emotions are already stirred.
There's an example of skirting the rulebook that was fair game, that I didn't like when I saw it in college. I guess there are exemptions to my above feelings. PSU vs. Wisconsin in 2006 where it was almost the end of the half and Wisconsin kept being offsides on the kick off which lead to a penalty and but the clock would run down during the kick off leading to a 3rd kick off and the end of the half. The reason I don't like it is because it lead to kick off situations where the players could get injured but goddamn was that a genuis way to skirt and manipulate the rules. It certainly worked, and the rules were changed later.
https://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/college/s_478506.html (https://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/college/s_478506.html)
Brilliant. I love it.
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I know this will drive Kev crazy but all teams look for an advantage.
Why would that drive me crazy? I have never argued otherwise.
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In the past you've argued about it. Maybe you have changed your stance.
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In the past you've argued about it. Maybe you have changed your stance.
Not true. I might have argued that the Pats push the envelope more than many other teams, but I never would have said that every team doesn't look for an advantage.
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Maybe I'm blurring things. Let's push the envelope together Kev!
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In the past you've argued about it. Maybe you have changed your stance.
Not true. I might have argued that the Pats push the envelope more than many other teams, but I never would have said that every team doesn't look for an advantage.
Well while you may have said that every team looks for an advantage, it was likely followed with "but they don't cheat like the Patriots." ;D
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Assuming that Washington doesn't tag Cousins in an effort to try to trade him, and he is a free agent. Where do you think he'll sign? Where would you sign if you were him?
For me, I'd be torn between Minnesota or Jacksonville, but would be happy to go to either. Minnesota seems to be the slightly better choice, and Jacksonville might wind up on the hook for Bortles to the tune of 19 million next year
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From what I've read, Jacksonville is pretty high on Bortles, so I'm not sure if they're a potential landing spot for Cousins. It sounds to me like Denver is making a serious push to sign him. It was reported today that they want to keep Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders to attempt to lure a "top QB" to Denver, which is obviously Cousins. A lot of Denver fans including myself felt like Sanders and/or Thomas were on their way out before today. I just get the feeling that Elway is not going to attempt to solve the QB problem through the draft again after botching the position for two straight seasons. A few veterans on the team have also been very vocal in their support of the team going after Cousins.
Still, it's going to be a real challenge to sign Cousins considering the amount money that he'll command. I think he'll wind up in either Denver, Minnesota or Arizona given that he's said that his main priority is winning games. Minnesota seems to be the most attractive option after last season, but I think Denver and Arizona could easily become contenders again with a QB like Cousins. Denver has a lot of ammunition to improve their roster in the draft if they're able to address the QB position by signing Cousins. If I haven't made myself clear, I'm dying to see Denver sign Cousins and hopefully get back to their winning ways :lol
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Did I miss something Chris? :lol
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What a coincidence, three of the Pats bigger rivals over the last 20 years are the three teams found to have cheated the most.
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Wait, are you saying the Jets are our Rivals? :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
I’m simultaneously offended and in agreeance with you. Hopefully in the next five years it will actually be a rivalry again.
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In this day and age, it's all about a QB. Then the elite teams need a D. Hard to get all together.
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I'm happy for AJ McCarron that he'll finally get a shot at a starting job on another team. I was impressed with what I saw back in 2015. I have a feeling that he'll end up with his former OC Hue Jackson in Cleveland, and they won't have to cough up the high draft picks to get him like they were originally planning on doing before they screwed up the trade... the Bengals can't seem to catch a break :lol
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I've got a question about the way sacks are determined on plays where the QB fumbles. Unless I misunderstood something, you're automatically credited with a sack if you force the QB to fumble behind the line of scrimmage as long as he never crossed the LOS at any point prior to the fumble. This seems at odds to me because a sack is generally earned by making a QB down by contact behind the LOS and it's impossible to fumble if you're already down.
That's not my specific question though, rather it's just another qualm/confusion I have with how they're tallied.
My actual question is: if a defender registers a sack by forcing a QB to fumble, then the QB picks up the ball and tries to keep the play alive (all while never crossing the LOS or establishing himself as a runner), then the QB is sacked, is it possible to be credited with multiple sacks on the same play?
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My actual question is: if a defender registers a sack by forcing a QB to fumble, then the QB picks up the ball and tries to keep the play alive (all while never crossing the LOS or establishing himself as a runner), then the QB is sacked, is it possible to be credited with multiple sacks on the same play?
Don't hold me to this, but I think that to be credited with a sack there would either have to be a change of possession on the fumble, or an end of play. If I'm correct then the defender that caused the fumble would only be credited with a forced fumble, and the defender that tackled the QB would be credited with a sack.
However, the QB might be considered a runner after he recovers the initial fumble, so the second defender might only be credited with a tackle for a loss.
This is a very interesting question. I'm not really sure how a scenario like that would work.
Edit was to correct my phone's auto-correct... Damn you, technology!!!
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Good points and insights :tup Thanks for trying to tackle it.
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Don't hold me to this, but I think that to be credited with a sack there would either have to be a change of possession on the fumble, or an end of play. If I'm correct then the defender that caused the fumble would only be credited with a forced fumble, and the defender that tackled the QB would be credited with a sack.
That's exactly the way I see it too, I think you explained it well. A sack is an end result of a play so there couldn't be more than one on the same play. If the QB is stripped and the ball goes out of bounds (or is recovered by the defense), then the defender gets credit for a sack and forced fumble because the play is over, but if the QB picks it back up, the play is still alive so the defender would only be credited with a forced fumble.
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Jacksonville is sticking with Bortles.
https://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000917453/article/jags-blake-bortles-agree-on-3year-54m-contract?campaign=fb-nf-sf182962183-sf182962183&sf182962183=1&utm_source=m.facebook.com&utm_medium=referral
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Jacksonville knows talent when they see it. Blake Bortles has the look of a guy who will win multiple Super Bowls.
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Jacksonville knows talent when they see it. Blake Bortles has the look of a guy who will win multiple Super Bowls.
Is that sarcasm?
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Why would that be sarcasm?
Not that his legacy isn't already intact, but years from now, the legend of Tom Brady will be bolstered even further when we look back and see that he somehow managed a playoff win against Blake Bortles.
It's still hard to believe.
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:lol
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https://www.weei.com/blogs/weei/robert-krafts-girlfriend-ricki-noel-lander-reportedly-welcomes-baby
I don't even...
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That's because you dont have the money to seed that late in life. :lol
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That's because you dont have the money to seed that late in life. :lol
I don't have the money to seed THIS late in life!
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Yeah, but a little will get you the viagra you need. :P
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Still need to be rich to seed those young hotties. Viagra won't get you them. :lol
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She's 39 years old, and frankly... not even that hot.
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She's 39 years old, and frankly... not even that hot.
I think I'm definitely gonna go with hot on that one. Knocking her up is pretty creepy in my book, but it's cool he's out having a good time.
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I just did a GIS on her. She's ok, I guess. I'm not really into blondes that much, so that could be skewing my opinion.
Good for him to be getting some tail at that age, though. I'm guessing that most of us will be looking back at our youth thinking about bumping uglies when we reach that age. The most action that we're liable to be getting at that point is our balls sagging just enough to skim the top of the toilet water.
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Read the article: he's not the biological father. So... while part of me says "good for him for being a standup guy", part of me says "that's even creepier".
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Some of us did read the article. That update was added well after the initial post.
I'd say that's less creepy now. Maybe the gal just wanted to have a kid, was running out of time, and Bob didn't want to be the father. Or, maybe he's just a cuck. Either way, the pictures suggest that he really digs having her around, and he can certainly afford her, so more power to him.
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Some of us did read the article. That update was added well after the initial post.
I'd say that's less creepy now. Maybe the gal just wanted to have a kid, was running out of time, and Bob didn't want to be the father. Or, maybe he's just a cuck. Either way, the pictures suggest that he really digs having her around, and he can certainly afford her, so more power to him.
I'm sorry; that came off dick-ier than I meant it. I meant it more to just call out that the article was updated...
For all the greatness that is the Pats, and I'm a huge fan of the Pats, there's something about Kraft that I don't get. He can't be a dumb guy, but he comes off that way a lot. We joke about his hitting the scotch during games, and I don't know if that's it, but in the interviews I've seen, he's just as likely to come off as the doddering old fool than the sharp, crisp business genius, and this just sort of feeds into that. I can see this being an episode of Bull where Bull exposes the conniving, two-timing mistress taking advantage of the slightly senile, but extremely well-meaning old rich guy.
Of course I have ZERO evidence to back this up - save for a couple dodgy post-game interviews - so it's probably all in my head.
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I didn't read it because who gives a crap about an owner's personal life. I care more about the team moving forward than a love child from him or from someone else.
It's weird, the older I get, the less I care for "Star Magazine" type stories.
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I didn't read it because who gives a crap about an owner's personal life. I care more about the team moving forward than a love child from him or from someone else.
It's weird, the older I get, the less I care for "Star Magazine" type stories.
Then you won't care much for this story:
https://www.cnn.com/news/new-hampshire-man-known-as-king-reportedly-caught-having-three-way-with-goat-and-empty-locally-brewed-beer-bottle
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Did you make that link up? :lol
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Side stepping a bit.......went up to Philly yesterday to the Ben Franklin Institute to see the Terricotta Warriors exhibit (great name for a rock band). Anyhoo, driving by Lincoln Field on I-95, and there wasn't anything visible from the expressway regarding the Eagles' SB win. Found it rather surprising.
(and fortunate we headed back early, before I-95 was totally shut down due to high winds over the Tydings Bridge. The 90 mile trip would now take 5 1/2 hours)
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Did you make that link up? :lol
Wait, YOU'RE the one asking that??
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Did you make that link up? :lol
Wait, YOU'RE the one asking that??
Yeah. Of course. Lol. It fits everything about me except the goat. I prefer sheep.
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I didn't read it because who gives a crap about an owner's personal life. I care more about the team moving forward than a love child from him or from someone else.
It's weird, the older I get, the less I care for "Star Magazine" type stories.
Then you won't care much for this story:
https://www.cnn.com/news/new-hampshire-man-known-as-king-reportedly-caught-having-three-way-with-goat-and-empty-locally-brewed-beer-bottle
Wow, good thing I didn't mention this to my gf otherwise there would be no way she'd let me meet up with King :lol
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Good lord, when does the season start?
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I didn't read it because who gives a crap about an owner's personal life. I care more about the team moving forward than a love child from him or from someone else.
It's weird, the older I get, the less I care for "Star Magazine" type stories.
Then you won't care much for this story:
https://www.cnn.com/news/new-hampshire-man-known-as-king-reportedly-caught-having-three-way-with-goat-and-empty-locally-brewed-beer-bottle
Wow, good thing I didn't mention this to my gf otherwise there would be no way she'd let me meet up with King :lol
:lol You should make up a thread about meetups and how significant others think your going to get kidnapped. :lol
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Bell has announced that the Steelers intend to tag him again if they can't come to an agreement on a new deal by today's deadline.
News from Philly is that while they're not actively shopping Foles, teams have inquired and they'll consider trades involving a first round pick.
Kirk Cousins remains the first domino that needs to fall. It will be interesting as to what he decides. Word is the final four teams for him are Minnesota, N.Y. Jets, Arizona and Denver. Between himself, Foles, and the crop of QBs available through the draft, this will make for a very interesting offseason.
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Bell has announced that the Steelers intend to tag him again if they can't come to an agreement on a new deal by today's deadline.
I really, really wish the Steelers would take that $14.5 million and invest in a good, middle of the road running back, and then spend the rest on defense. Their defense is what let them down last year.
They would be better off using a couple good RBs next year (rather than one stud RB) and improving our defense. That would make the overall team better, IMO.
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I agree with that. Bell is incredible, but the Steelers need much more help on defense. Maybe a tag and trade is in order, and if so, who would the suitors be?
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Kirk Cousins remains the first domino that needs to fall. It will be interesting as to what he decides. Word is the final four teams for him are Minnesota, N.Y. Jets, Arizona and Denver. Between himself, Foles, and the crop of QBs available through the draft, this will make for a very interesting offseason.
He's in for a big pay day for someone who's solid but not that deserving (IMO) of the money he's about to get. He's in a great position with these teams that really want him. Local sports radio in NYC is drooling with the idea of Cousins to the Jets. It's almost like Cousins or bust for them. At least that's the way the fan base is making it.
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Kirk Cousins remains the first domino that needs to fall. It will be interesting as to what he decides. Word is the final four teams for him are Minnesota, N.Y. Jets, Arizona and Denver. Between himself, Foles, and the crop of QBs available through the draft, this will make for a very interesting offseason.
He's in for a big pay day for someone who's solid but not that deserving (IMO) of the money he's about to get. He's in a great position with these teams that really want him. Local sports radio in NYC is drooling with the idea of Cousins to the Jets. It's almost like Cousins or bust for them. At least that's the way the fan base is making it.
If the Jets miss out on Cousins, and if McCown has it in him for one more year, I could see them getting whoever amongst Darnold, Rosen and Allen is left when they get on the clock.
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My opinion only, but Kirk Cousins is the new poster boy for "Right Place, Right Time". There just aren't a plethora of upper tier QBs in the league now, and those that are invariably have a "3" in their age, and a number that rounds up to 10 after that.
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Kirk Cousins remains the first domino that needs to fall. It will be interesting as to what he decides. Word is the final four teams for him are Minnesota, N.Y. Jets, Arizona and Denver. Between himself, Foles, and the crop of QBs available through the draft, this will make for a very interesting offseason.
He's in for a big pay day for someone who's solid but not that deserving (IMO) of the money he's about to get. He's in a great position with these teams that really want him. Local sports radio in NYC is drooling with the idea of Cousins to the Jets. It's almost like Cousins or bust for them. At least that's the way the fan base is making it.
If the Jets miss out on Cousins, and if McCown has it in him for one more year, I could see them getting whoever amongst Darnold, Rosen and Allen is left when they get on the clock.
I can see it happening that way too. But frankly, I hope it doesn't. I am all for drafting a QB. But the Jets haven't drafted a starting QB that has been good since Chad Pennington (who would have had a solid career had it not been for injury). Sanchez sucked from the get-go, and everyone knew it, they just covered for him.
So yeah, I want Cousins. But if they end up not getting Cousins, I wouldn't mind bringing back McCown, and signing Teddy Bridgewater. I think Teddy can be the guy honestly. I've liked him since he was drafted, and now that he is fully healed, I wouldn't mind him on the team and going full-tilt against McCown for the starter's job. Both are heady veterans, and Teddy is young, so if he blossoms, we have our guy.
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I agree with that. Bell is incredible, but the Steelers need much more help on defense. Maybe a tag and trade is in order, and if so, who would the suitors be?
No clue honestly. Not sure if any team would pay that much for a RB in 2018. Some random GM probably would though.
My opinion only, but Kirk Cousins is the new poster boy for "Right Place, Right Time". There just aren't a plethora of upper tier QBs in the league now, and those that are invariably have a "3" in their age, and a number that rounds up to 10 after that.
Amen.
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Kirk Cousins remains the first domino that needs to fall. It will be interesting as to what he decides. Word is the final four teams for him are Minnesota, N.Y. Jets, Arizona and Denver. Between himself, Foles, and the crop of QBs available through the draft, this will make for a very interesting offseason.
He's in for a big pay day for someone who's solid but not that deserving (IMO) of the money he's about to get. He's in a great position with these teams that really want him. Local sports radio in NYC is drooling with the idea of Cousins to the Jets. It's almost like Cousins or bust for them. At least that's the way the fan base is making it.
I would love to have Cousins here in New York, but only at the right price. He’s a good QB but he isn’t Brady, Rodgers, or Brees. I honestly would be more upset if the Jets pay too much for him than I would if they don’t get him at all.
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I've heard the Jets are all-in on Cousins in terms of what they're willing to pay, but that the Vikings are the front runners given the stronger team and better chance of reaching a Super Bowl within the next couple seasons. He would have to take less money to play for the Vikings since they aren't willing to to hamstring themselves and sacrifice losing other players due to lack of cap space in a year or two. It really going to come down to whether Cousins wants more money or wants to have the batter chance of winning right away (and still get paid an obscene amount of money). It will be interesting to see which way it goes.
AS a Vikings fan I think I want them to sign Cousins. I think he's a better QB than Keenum, Bradford, or Bridgewater. If it doesn't work out, then I'd like them to sign Keenum out of those three, and I'd love to see them sign Bridgewater as the back-up if he can't find an opportunity to compete for a starting job.
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Has a Super Bowl MVP ever been traded the very next season? Interesting times.
Well, for the first time in a little while, it's nice to see the 49ers NOT in the middle of a QB scramble and trying to figure out who their guy is.
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Has a Super Bowl MVP ever been traded the very next season? Interesting times.
A real quick look up and jogging my memory: Other than retirements....Czonka skipped out for the WFL. Larry Brown and Dexter Jackson became a FAs. As to trades, Deion Branch held out/was traded in a fustercluck situation, and Santonio Holmes. I think the latter four are the only ones to change teams.
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Has a Super Bowl MVP ever been traded the very next season? Interesting times.
A real quick look up and jogging my memory: Other than retirements....Czonka skipped out for the WFL. Larry Brown and Dexter Jackson became a FAs. As to trades, Deion Branch held out/was traded in a fustercluck situation, and Santonio Holmes. I think the latter four are the only ones to change teams.
I thought Deion Branch stuck around for one more year before the clusterfuck.
I think the closest analog is going to be Doug Williams. Came off the bench late in the season, kicked ass through the playoffs, won the SB MVP, and then lost his job in short order to Mark Rypien. The only real difference is that it wasn't Rypien he initially replaced.
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Bell has announced that the Steelers intend to tag him again if they can't come to an agreement on a new deal by today's deadline.
I really, really wish the Steelers would take that $14.5 million and invest in a good, middle of the road running back, and then spend the rest on defense. Their defense is what let them down last year.
They would be better off using a couple good RBs next year (rather than one stud RB) and improving our defense. That would make the overall team better, IMO.
I completely agree. A good safety and middle linebacker. Or possibly a good defensive tackle.
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Has a Super Bowl MVP ever been traded the very next season?
No Super Bowl MVP has been traded in the off-season following the MVP win or during the following season, but several players have left their teams as free agents after winning the Super Bowl MVP:
Dexter Jackson signed with the Cardinals after winning the MVP for the Buccaneers in SB 37. Interestingly, in signing with the Cardinals, he backed out of a verbal agreement to sign with the Steelers, and, as a result, the Steelers drafted Troy Polamalu.
Desmond Howard signed with the Raiders after winning the MVP for the Packers in SB 31.
Larry Brown signed with the Raiders after winning the MVP for the Cowboys in SB 30.
Larry Csonka signed with the WFL's Memphis Southern after winning the MVP for the Dolphins in SB 8.
I believe John Elway is the only MVP to retire after winning.
El Barto is correct that Branch played one more season with the Patriots before holding out and being traded to the Seahawks (same with Santonio Holmes).
Completely off-topic: How is Chuck Howley not in the HoF?? Fifteen year career as a linebacker, with 25 interceptions and 18 fumble recoveries, who knows how many sacks, 5-time first team all-pro, and the first defensive player to win the Super Bowl MVP.
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Bell has announced that the Steelers intend to tag him again if they can't come to an agreement on a new deal by today's deadline.
I really, really wish the Steelers would take that $14.5 million and invest in a good, middle of the road running back, and then spend the rest on defense. Their defense is what let them down last year.
They would be better off using a couple good RBs next year (rather than one stud RB) and improving our defense. That would make the overall team better, IMO.
I completely agree. A good safety and middle linebacker. Or possibly a good defensive tackle.
Yup. Go out and pay a decent RB like 4 or 5 million and use the remaining 10 or so million to improve the weak part of your team.
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Sorry I goofed on the trades. For instance, when I checked Deion Branch, I saw he was the '05 SB MVP....thinking that was for the '05 season. My bad. :facepalm:
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Michael Bennett to the Eagles. Not sure how I feel about this.
Sounds like Sherman's not long for Seattle either.
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On the one hand, it makes their front four even more ferocious, but on the other hand, a monster douche like Bennett could be a major locker room distraction.
I continue to chuckle at the comments about how the defense never got over the "throwing it at the 1 instead of giving it to Marshawn Lynch" play, which allegedly cost them the Super Bowl. Dopes like Richard Sherman think that cost the defense a repeat and immortality (they would have been the first all-world defense since the Steel Curtain to win TWO titles), but sorry, no, their defense blowing a double digit lead in the Super Bowl is why they lost. No, the defense wasn't what it was the prior year when they really were all-world, but when you play D with that much swagger and think you are it, you lock down the win when you have a double digit in the 4th Q of the Super Bowl. And they gagged it away.
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Don't forget jumping off sides when the Patriots still had to run a play from their own 1 foot line. :lol
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That is a Michael Bennett specialty. I suspect that kind of shit won't fly in Philly like it did in Seattle, so it will be interesting to see how Bennett reacts to being coached to not being so overly aggressive. Being overly aggressive is a staple of a Pete Carroll defense.
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Have stayed out of this thread as I have been on a self-imposed sports break.
This Seahwawks news is not really surprising. And reaction from everything I have heard and read locally is all over the map. The higher percentage to my eyes and ears seems to be Bennett is 1) getting old and 2) has gotten to be too much of a distraction (or cancer, depending on one's level of vitriol) in the locker room. Does he care more about being an SJW than an elite football player? Does he care too much about how black his QB is and how racist the LV police department is? Hard to say. Again, general consensus seems to be "Thanks for the hard work and the championship, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out."
Sherman will get a little more gracious of a farewell, assuming his mouth doesn't change that.
Regardless, this team is a perfect illustration of how quickly the championship window can open and close in the NFL. Even with Wilson locked up at QB for the long term, the NFCW is getting stronger, and this will be an 8-8 team for the near future.
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Chris, that's why I will never take this run of the Patriots for granted. It's unprecedented.
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Wow, Giants got a linebacker! Traded some pics for Ogletree and I love it. I feel the Giants haven't put any money into the LB position for as long as I can remember and now got a proven player. It came at a big cost in his contract though (hence why he was traded away). Either way, I think the Giants D has just gotten a nice upgrade. Now just fix the oline then I think they have a good chance of being a winning team next year.
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Damn Rams. Save some DBs for the rest of us.
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Meh, Talib is a good DB and an absolutely terrible human being. I wouldn't want him on my team.
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Meh, Talib is a good DB and an absolutely terrible human being. I wouldn't want him on my team.
He's prone to losing his mind from time to time. I'm honestly surprised the Patriots were interested in him.
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Torrey Smith traded to the Panthers. :sad:
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Browns to aquire Jarvis Landry and Tyrod Taylor. They're really starting the process of digging out.
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I gotta think that Taylor is merely a stopgap while they get whatever rookie QB they draft up to speed.
I like the Landry trade for them. He is a good WR who should help their offense get better, assuming getting traded to Cleveland doesn't make him give up on life. :lol :lol
I am glad the Broncos got rid of Talib. I have never liked that guy. Total piece of shit. :tdwn :tdwn
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Someone check on Bosky. Apparently the 49ers and Richard Sherman have agreed to a 3 year deal.
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$39 million? Wow, Niners, enjoy those two aging, broken down wheels!
Prognosticating on when the Niners play in Seattle next year, I anticipate Sherman will get a largely positive response from the fans.
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Most people don't throw towards Sherman.....I'm imagining RW will target him specifically. The result remains to be seen.
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Sherman is good, but we'll see how good he really is now without the Legion of Boom to help him out. Plus, he has never been a corner that travels - he plays his side and never moves around - so we'll see if he is capable of moving around on defense now or if he still insists on staying in his comfort zone.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DX-wRxlVwAAtk3E.jpg)
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I’ve been saying for years that he’s gone soft since the SB win and just hasn’t been as good. (Yes...he played hurt and with heart in the SB loss...but that doesn’t mean he played at peak level like he did earlier in his career)
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Browns to aquire Jarvis Landry and Tyrod Taylor. They're really starting the process of digging out.
Digging out what? If Tyrod Taylor couldn't win in Buffalo, what makes you think he's going to win in Cleveland?
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Someone check on Bosky. Apparently the 49ers and Richard Sherman have agreed to a 3 year deal.
Pretty tasteless move. But it's the NFL... :dunno:
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Browns to aquire Jarvis Landry and Tyrod Taylor. They're really starting the process of digging out.
Digging out what? If Tyrod Taylor couldn't win in Buffalo, what makes you think he's going to win in Cleveland?
Tyrod DID win in Buffalo. First playoff appearance this century despite being handicapped a game due to the Peterman start.
But besides that, he most likely is a stop gap while a rookie gets groomed.
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If Cleveland really is climbing out of the cellar, a team must fall to take their place.
Looking more and more like it will be Miami, once again.
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I am not convinced the Browns will climb out of the cellar. They weren't totally depleted of talent the last two years, yet went 1-31...and then kept that head coach. :eek :eek :lol :lol
What I am saying is, will anyone be surprised if the Browns have the number 1 pick in next year's draft again?
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Not this guy.
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And it does seems like every year there is a team or two that is surprisingly bad. A year ago, did anyone think the Giants and Colts would be picking 2nd and 3rd in the 2018 NFL draft (without having traded for those picks)? Miami could certainly be one of those teams that plummets this year, and I wouldn't be surprised if my Broncos suck swamp water (which could happen if they don't get the QB situation fixed).
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Speaking of the cellar, that's probably where the Seahawks are headed...
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I just read an ESPN article that says the Broncos are going to sign Case Keenum as their QB. I could be wrong, but the guy looks like a career backup to me. Maybe if they improve the line in front of him he might prove me wrong.
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I don't like that for Denver at all. Hopefully it's a lot like the Bears and Glennon last year. I do see Denver hitting on one of these rookie QBs.
And I stand by my assessment on Cleveland. They're digging out. Easy to say after 1-31 over the past two years but this team will be a regular playoff team in 2-3 years
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I just read an ESPN article that says the Broncos are going to sign Case Keenum as their QB. I could be wrong, but the guy looks like a career backup to me. Maybe if they improve the line in front of him he might prove me wrong.
Good god... is this going to be like the 00s where the Bronco's are constantly rotating mediocre quarterbacks through the lineup?
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So the Vikings are of course strongly linked to Cousins. I have this terrible feeling that that will fall through, Keenum goes to Denver, Bradford signs somewhere, and we're left with Bridgewater or not one at all if he signs somewhere else. I like Bridgewater a lot, but I don't think he deserves a starting job without some strong competition and proving himself worthy. This all makes me really nervous. I think they'll probably get the deal done with Cousins, but it'll be hard for him to turn away from the insane money the Jets are going to throw at him.
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I think that if the Vikings miss out on Cousins, they should go get Foles
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Schefter just tweeted that Keenum is going to Denver.
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Schefter just tweeted that Keenum is going to Denver.
We're all over it King
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:lol
I saw that. Schefter just makes it official. That's the great part about Twitter. Following national writers, and beat writers.
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I am not convinced the Browns will climb out of the cellar. They weren't totally depleted of talent the last two years, yet went 1-31...and then kept that head coach. :eek :eek :lol :lol
What I am saying is, will anyone be surprised if the Browns have the number 1 pick in next year's draft again?
Not me; Buffalo didn't make the playoffs BECAUSE of Tyrod. I won't go so far to say they made it in SPITE of him, but losing him doesn't jeopardize their chances next year.
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Cousins to the Vikings is official. They are now legit Super Bowl contenders.
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Well the one good thing of OBJ's video is that the Giants may have get a little more leverage in getting him to perform and not sit out or cause issues this year since now he really doesn't look like someone that's deserving of 60+ million guaranteed.
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In Foxborough news, Butler to Detroit and Amendola to Miami. Butler was obviously leaving, but I'd have loved to hang on to Amendola. Dude was an asset to have around. I certainly understand not busting the bank for him, though.
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2 for 12 mil. Next man up I guess.
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2 for 12 mil. Next man up I guess.
Damn. I didn't know he was in line for that much. Yeah, next up.
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That's what they pay Endelman. He told them he wanted more money but the Pats wouldn't budge.
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Butler to Detroit
Is this done?
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Butler to Detroit
Is this done?
I haven't seen a tweet yet.
I did see thsat Sam Bradford signed a 1 year deal with Arizona 20 mil. 15 guaranteed. Then i saw a Tweet from Matt Chatham saying "Sam Bradford's agent is an American Hero. :lol
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Schefter now saying Jimmy Graham to sign a 3 year deal with the Pack. Splent will be a happy man.
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holy crap. Schefter is now tweeting that the Packers are releasing Jordy Nelson!
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Jordy Nelson to the Pats?
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Jordy Nelson is done as far as being an elite WR. Injuries have taken his speed and ability to get deep away from him.
The signing of Keenum makes me ill. :censored
Cousins now has more pressure on him than any player in the NFL.
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Butler to Detroit
Is this done?
Now it's Tennessee, and does appear to be all but official. 5yr/61m, 31 guraranteed.
That's what they pay Endelman. He told them he wanted more money but the Pats wouldn't budge.
Well, the Pats got him for a song last year (just under 3m), so he earned the right to ask for more. I hate players that demand "more than that guy," though.
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No doubt. He also wanted to play more. Part of the issue with that is he's very injury prone. They held him back so he would be good to go for the playoffs.
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Jordy Nelson is done as far as being an elite WR. Injuries have taken his speed and ability to get deep away from him.
The signing of Keenum makes me ill. :censored
Cousins now has more pressure on him than any player in the NFL.
Can Nelson play that slot role?
As for Cousins, my god I am going to be the most surprised person on the planet if this all pans out. I NEVER had him at that level. I thought he was a fill in, to be honest.
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Cousins is a good QB and an upgrade over Keenum. As loaded as the Vikings are, they don't need him to be Brady or Rodgers. The thing is, a million things could happen that prevent the Vikings from equaling or surpassing what they did last year, but the blame will all be on Cousins if that happens. That is why I am surprised he went there.
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So the Browns signed Hyde to a three year deal. Does that mean they are definitely taking a QB #1? If so, I am drooling for Barkley to the Giants, if for no other reason than to continue rooting for him (my favorite college player to watch the last 3 years at PSU), but I do think he is the real deal.
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Sound like Nate Solider might go to either the Giants or the Texans.
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Sound like Nate Solider might go to either the Giants or the Texans.
Giants may need this more than whoever they take at 2.
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Looks like Deion Lewis is joining Butler in Tennessee. Another one where I'm happy for the guy to get a payday, and given NE's depth it's not like he's irreplaceable. The Titans just need to understand what they're getting. Deion's too small to be durable. He has to be used situationally.
Rough year for the Pats in free agency. Aside from Nate most of the losses have been in areas where there's depth, but it's still a lot of big name players.
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As for Cousins, my god I am going to be the most surprised person on the planet if this all pans out. I NEVER had him at that level. I thought he was a fill in, to be honest.
Shows how crazy the QB market is right now. Dude who has a below 500 winning percentage gets $84 million guaranteed...
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As for Cousins, my god I am going to be the most surprised person on the planet if this all pans out. I NEVER had him at that level. I thought he was a fill in, to be honest.
Shows how crazy the QB market is right now. Dude who has a below 500 winning percentage gets $84 million guaranteed...
And Mike Trout is widely considered to be the best player in baseball, but he doesn't have much in wins to show for it.
It is folly to rely on team accolades to assess individual talent.
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And I want to add that McKinnon couldn't have picked a better landing spot than SF. He's set up for major success moving forward.
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As for Cousins, my god I am going to be the most surprised person on the planet if this all pans out. I NEVER had him at that level. I thought he was a fill in, to be honest.
Shows how crazy the QB market is right now. Dude who has a below 500 winning percentage gets $84 million guaranteed...
And Mike Trout is widely considered to be the best player in baseball, but he doesn't have much in wins to show for it.
It is folly to rely on team accolades to assess individual talent.
Generally yes, but with QBs I'd say it's slightly different. They are the most important member of a team and directly impact the success of the team more than any other player.
But - ok, so you think Kirk Cousins is a top tier QB? I'd consider him middle of the pack or slightly above.
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As for Cousins, my god I am going to be the most surprised person on the planet if this all pans out. I NEVER had him at that level. I thought he was a fill in, to be honest.
Shows how crazy the QB market is right now. Dude who has a below 500 winning percentage gets $84 million guaranteed...
And Mike Trout is widely considered to be the best player in baseball, but he doesn't have much in wins to show for it.
It is folly to rely on team accolades to assess individual talent.
Generally yes, but with QBs I'd say it's slightly different. They are the most important member of a team and directly impact the success of the team more than any other player.
But - ok, so you think Kirk Cousins is a top tier QB? I'd consider him middle of the pack or slightly above.
I'd say slightly above average, but he is still young enough to improve and be great. The good thing about him is that he seems like he wants to prove his worth to everyone. I think he is over paid and a product of the current market, but he has the potential and experience. I'm more shocked at the Bradford guaranteed money.
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I'd say slightly above average, but he is still young enough to improve and be great. The good thing about him is that he seems like he wants to prove his worth to everyone. I think he is over paid and a product of the current market, but he has the potential and experience. I'm more shocked at the Bradford guaranteed money.
I generally agree with all of this. Especially the Bradford thang.
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Not sure how, but my JETS actually made smart football decisions. When is the other shoe gonna drop? :lol :lol :lol
I love the Bridgewater signing. He and McCown will fight it out in training camp, and we'll draft one of the big 4, and let that guy ride the pine. My prediction? Teddy will win the job, have a great year, and revitalize his career.
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My prediction? Teddy will win the job, have a great year, and revitalize his career.
I think you're forgetting something.
Namely that he'll be surrounded by the rest of the Jets team.
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:lol i like the Bridgewater signing too for the Jets
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But - ok, so you think Kirk Cousins is a top tier QB? I'd consider him middle of the pack or slightly above.
I'd put Cousins in that 11-15 range if I had to rank the starting QBs in the NFL. He lost all of his best weapons last season in Washington and still had a good season. Most QB's would have a hard time winning consistently in Washington with that train wreck of a owner.
I'm more shocked at the Bradford guaranteed money.
I generally agree with all of this. Especially the Bradford thang.
At 20 million, Bradford will get 5 million for every game he starts and finishes. :lol :lol
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:lol
I wonder if the Redskins hurt Cousins progression.
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Not sure how, but my JETS actually made smart football decisions. When is the other shoe gonna drop? :lol :lol :lol
I love the Bridgewater signing. He and McCown will fight it out in training camp, and we'll draft one of the big 4, and let that guy ride the pine. My prediction? Teddy will win the job, have a great year, and revitalize his career.
I kinda think this is where Nick was going, but... I'm more apt to say about the Jets' "smart football decision", even a broken clock is right twice a day. I think we've seen too many times in the NFL that a moderately well thought out, well-executed system beats a moderately talented QB every day of the week. Bridgewater is moderately talented. I don't think he has the juice right now to singularly carry the Jets on his back. Sorry.
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Plus, at his best, Bridgewater was never anything more than a solid QB, and no one knows how his body will react when he plays again following that horrific injury he suffered. I have to think the Jets will be drafting someone early as well.
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As a Vikings fan I have been a huge supporter of Bridgewater. That being said, if I was a Jets fan I'd be concerned. He hasn't played in two years. If I was Bridgewater I'd be concerned because the Jets just aren't very good. I realize he probably didn't want to be a back up behind Cousins but the Vikings are a much more stacked team than the Jets.
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Do we even know if Bridgewater can play yet? Normally I'd assume he had to pass a physical before the trade went through, but this is the Jet's, after all. I recall that he wasn't capable of playing at the end of last season.
He seems to me somebody that would be worth taking a flyer on, but only at a bargain price. His potential is very high, but the likelihood of him reaching it is not. Like Kev said, he was a solid quarterback before the explosion, but hadn't reached the next level yet. The reason the knee thing was so awful because there was a very good expectation that he was going to turn the corner and take it to the next level. I know I was certainly looking forward to seeing what he could do.
Looks like NYJ signed him to a one year deal worth 5mil and another 10mil in incentives. That's a pretty reasonable deal for them, but I'd like a few option years at the end of it. If he does pan out they'll immediately have to negotiate an expensive deal and they won't be able to trade him.
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He actually saw some mop-up duty for the Vikings in week 15, so he's good to go from a health standpoint. I'm pleased with the Jets offseason so far, assuming they also go out and get a QB in the draft. I think the Vikings probably saved us from wasting a bunch of money on Cousins, seeing as we're probably at least another year at best away from being competitive. I think McCown (who played pretty well for us last year and is by all accounts a fantastic locker room/QB room presence), Bridgewater (who showed some potential before his injury), and a highly regarded rookie is still a big upgrade over what we've had at QB (which is pretty sad). All the other contracts we handed out are pretty reasonable (with the exception maybe of Trumaine Johnson's deal) and nothing went to older/over the hill players. We could have a pretty good secondary this year with Johnson and Clairborne on the outside and the rookie tandem we drafted last year back at the safety spots.
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Wow the Colts just traderaped the Jets. Now any team that wants who the Jets want have over a month to try to leapfrog them, and the Colts get all of those picks....
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Seahawks Sign Linebacker Barkevious Mingo. What an awesome name! :lol
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Wow the Colts just traderaped the Jets. Now any team that wants who the Jets want have over a month to try to leapfrog them, and the Colts get all of those picks....
Damn. They gave up a lot for those 3 spots. Whoever they're looking at better be worth it. And WTG Colts. They just landed 3 2nd rounders for a meaningless 3 spot drop.
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Word is that the Giants did not want to trade out of the 2 spot. My guess is they want Barkley and are waiting to see if the Browns take him 1st. If the Browns take a QB, I think the Giants take Barkley. If the Browns take Barkely, I suspect a team like the Bills will offer the Giants a truck load to trade up to 2 and the Giants will take the offer.
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Word is that the Giants did not want to trade out of the 2 spot. My guess is they want Barkley and are waiting to see if the Browns take him 1st. If the Browns take a QB, I think the Giants take Barkley. If the Browns take Barkely, I suspect a team like the Bills will offer the Giants a truck load to trade up to 2 and the Giants will take the offer.
Yea, the Jets move made me feel like the Giants want Barkley and will likely get him. Essentially if the Browns don't take a QB first, they will get the 3rd pick of the bunch which would really suck to think you'll get the 3rd best QB when you have the 1st and 4th picks. Also, I would gladly take a similar trade like the Colts and just move back a bit and get more picks.
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Word is that the Giants did not want to trade out of the 2 spot. My guess is they want Barkley and are waiting to see if the Browns take him 1st. If the Browns take a QB, I think the Giants take Barkley. If the Browns take Barkely, I suspect a team like the Bills will offer the Giants a truck load to trade up to 2 and the Giants will take the offer.
My thought as well. I see the Browns going QB again, although not at #1. I think they go Chubb or Barkley (betting on the latter), and then get a QB with the fourth pick.
I am really hoping the Jets make a great pick. I like all the moves made so far this offseason, including the trade. But if this doesn't result in the Jets getting a franchise QB, it is going to be a total failure. They've swung and missed already with Hackenberg. Can't do it again.
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Seahawks Sign Linebacker Barkevious Mingo. What an awesome name! :lol
The name alone is worth a salary bump. He has a brother named Hughtavious.
One of the Key & Peele guys was on Dan Patrick's show a week or two ago and explained the origin story of their ridiculous college football names routine. One of them, who was not really a football fan but enjoyed playing the Madden games, approached the other, saying, "hey, did you know there's a guy in the NFL named "D'Brickashaw Ferguson?!" The other guy said, "you don't even know the half of it," and the sketch was born.
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Thank God the NFL has simplified the rules for what is or is not a catch. :lol
1: Control
2: Two feet down or another body part
3: A football move, such as"
A: A 3rd step
B: Reaching/extending for the line to gain
C: or the ability to perform such an act
So, uh, what is control? What is a football move? What is the ability to make such a move? Blandino is a dick, but he's right in his assessment. They've changed the language but kept all the ambiguity in place, or replaced it with different ambiguities.
I feel sorry for the staff at the Hyatt who had to clean up the conference room after what appears to be a monumental circle jerk.
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Thank God the NFL has simplified the rules for what is or is not a catch. :lol
1: Control
2: Two feet down or another body part
3: A football move, such as"
A: A 3rd step
B: Reaching/extending for the line to gain
C: or the ability to perform such an act
So, uh, what is control? What is a football move? What is the ability to make such a move? Blandino is a dick, but he's right in his assessment. They've changed the language but kept all the ambiguity in place, or replaced it with different ambiguities.
I feel sorry for the staff at the Hyatt who had to clean up the conference room after what appears to be a monumental circle jerk.
Under those rules Jesse James play against the Pats would have been a legal catch. That's probably where the largest part of their focus was since that was the most recent "big play" that was effected by the old standard.
We'll have to wait and see how it plays out, but it still leaves a lot to interpretation, seemingly.
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I foresee the same issues going forward. Get rid of us fans seeing HD instant replay and only then will everything will be ok.
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Thank God the NFL has simplified the rules for what is or is not a catch. :lol
1: Control
2: Two feet down or another body part
3: A football move, such as"
A: A 3rd step
B: Reaching/extending for the line to gain
C: or the ability to perform such an act
So, uh, what is control? What is a football move? What is the ability to make such a move? Blandino is a dick, but he's right in his assessment. They've changed the language but kept all the ambiguity in place, or replaced it with different ambiguities.
I feel sorry for the staff at the Hyatt who had to clean up the conference room after what appears to be a monumental circle jerk.
Under those rules Jesse James play against the Pats would have been a legal catch. That's probably where the largest part of their focus was since that was the most recent "big play" that was effected by the old standard.
We'll have to wait and see how it plays out, but it still leaves a lot to interpretation, seemingly.
That's exactly what their motivation was. They watched a bunch of non-catches and discussed which ones "should" have counted. Then they crafted a way to phrase things so that they could be justified. So yeah, we could probably just call this the Patriot Rule. The problem is that when you go about trying to craft rules in that manner you make things even more flaky.
What I can't wait for is when an obvious incompletion gets ruled a catch and a fumble recovered by New England because of the new interpretation. :lol
And speaking of making shit up as you go, seems that Goodell is looking to fine the bejeezus out of Jerry Jones for trying to disrupt his contract negotiation. The same Jerry Jones that was just inducted into the HOF for his contributions to the league as an owner. Sounds about right.
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Hi all!
I haven't been on the board in ages, found my way back over tonight and figured the NFL thread was the best place to jump back in ;D
I meant to log in back in Feb so that I could revel in the fact that my beloved Iggles are SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS. I still can't even believe it.
I am also happy to report that the city did not burn to the ground (sorry, Barto...I saw you were hoping for that :lol) and for the most part people were pretty well-behaved for the parade (and it was one for the ages...even if we are lucky enough to have another one, it will never be as magical is this one was!)
I have never seen as cohesive a team as the Eagles were this season. I believe the foundation is there and this could be the start of something beautiful. But, as an Eagles fan there is always that doubt/fear that I might have to wait another 58 years to see it, and I don't plan on being alive 58 years from now. It is not lost on me that this could have been a special lightning bolt caught in a bottle, and I intend to hold onto this feeling for the rest of my life. And if it's the only one I ever have, I will die happy.
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Hi all!
I haven't been on the board in ages, found my way back over tonight and figured the NFL thread was the best place to jump back in ;D
I meant to log in back in Feb so that I could revel in the fact that my beloved Iggles are SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS. I still can't even believe it.
I am also happy to report that the city did not burn to the ground (sorry, Barto...I saw you were hoping for that :lol) and for the most part people were pretty well-behaved for the parade (and it was one for the ages...even if we are lucky enough to have another one, it will never be as magical is this one was!)
I have never seen as cohesive a team as the Eagles were this season. I believe the foundation is there and this could be the start of something beautiful. But, as an Eagles fan there is always that doubt/fear that I might have to wait another 58 years to see it, and I don't plan on being alive 58 years from now. It is not lost on me that this could have been a special lightning bolt caught in a bottle, and I intend to hold onto this feeling for the rest of my life. And if it's the only one I ever have, I will die happy.
Waddup, Kath??!!
Glad you got to enjoy the euphoria of a Super Bowl win. :coolio :hat
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Hi all!
I haven't been on the board in ages, found my way back over tonight and figured the NFL thread was the best place to jump back in ;D
I meant to log in back in Feb so that I could revel in the fact that my beloved Iggles are SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS. I still can't even believe it.
I am also happy to report that the city did not burn to the ground (sorry, Barto...I saw you were hoping for that :lol) and for the most part people were pretty well-behaved for the parade (and it was one for the ages...even if we are lucky enough to have another one, it will never be as magical is this one was!)
I have never seen as cohesive a team as the Eagles were this season. I believe the foundation is there and this could be the start of something beautiful. But, as an Eagles fan there is always that doubt/fear that I might have to wait another 58 years to see it, and I don't plan on being alive 58 years from now. It is not lost on me that this could have been a special lightning bolt caught in a bottle, and I intend to hold onto this feeling for the rest of my life. And if it's the only one I ever have, I will die happy.
I didn't even get through "I haven't been" before I was composing a rage-post in my head. I only got as far as "Fuck your Eagles" before I decided you were a cool enough gal to leave it alone. I'll just say I'm glad you're happy and I hope you're around when they when their next one. I'm sure the parade will be just as enjoyable. You'll be in your late nineties, I reckon, but by then holograms will be able to drop you right into the middle of it from the comfort of your rocking chair.
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This feeling was unlike anything I'd ever felt, although the Phillies winning the World Series in 2008 was pretty close.
It is not lost on me that I may never experience this again. And if I don't, that's ok. I can still die happy.
The elation is now bittersweet for me though. My dad came up for the parade from SC with my younger sister. He was so excited for it. We had a great time at the parade, in the city before dawn and standing in the below-freezing temp all day, screaming ourselves hoarse as the parade procession rolled by us and doing Irish car bombs at the bar afterward. 5 days later my dad died from a heart attack. He was born in 1960 (the year the Eagles last won a championship) and literally waited an entire lifetime to see an Eagles super bowl win. I can never really put into words how much this all means to me now. How grateful I am to have had the experience just once in my life at all, but so glad I got to share it with my dad. :heart
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Damn Neon, sorry to hear about your dad. :'(
It is nice to see you hear again though... Stick around, we need less sausage.
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Damn Neon, sorry to hear about your dad. :'(
It is nice to see you hear again though... Stick around, we need less sausage.
Thanks :)
My board usage has dropped because I'm usually not on my regular computer. I usually just use my phone for all my internet needs but it's too hard to read the boards with it.
Worked from home today with the snow so I've been on my regular laptop all day. Thought I'd mosey on over and see how everyone's doing. I've missed posting with everyone, I should come around more often :lol
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This feeling was unlike anything I'd ever felt, although the Phillies winning the World Series in 2008 was pretty close.
It is not lost on me that I may never experience this again. And if I don't, that's ok. I can still die happy.
The elation is now bittersweet for me though. My dad came up for the parade from SC with my younger sister. He was so excited for it. We had a great time at the parade, in the city before dawn and standing in the below-freezing temp all day, screaming ourselves hoarse as the parade procession rolled by us and doing Irish car bombs at the bar afterward. 5 days later my dad died from a heart attack. He was born in 1960 (the year the Eagles last won a championship) and literally waited an entire lifetime to see an Eagles super bowl win. I can never really put into words how much this all means to me now. How grateful I am to have had the experience just once in my life at all, but so glad I got to share it with my dad. :heart
Sorry to hear about your pop. That's a real drag. Glad y'all got to get together and have a good time.
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This feeling was unlike anything I'd ever felt, although the Phillies winning the World Series in 2008 was pretty close.
It is not lost on me that I may never experience this again. And if I don't, that's ok. I can still die happy.
The elation is now bittersweet for me though. My dad came up for the parade from SC with my younger sister. He was so excited for it. We had a great time at the parade, in the city before dawn and standing in the below-freezing temp all day, screaming ourselves hoarse as the parade procession rolled by us and doing Irish car bombs at the bar afterward. 5 days later my dad died from a heart attack. He was born in 1960 (the year the Eagles last won a championship) and literally waited an entire lifetime to see an Eagles super bowl win. I can never really put into words how much this all means to me now. How grateful I am to have had the experience just once in my life at all, but so glad I got to share it with my dad. :heart
Don't know you from a row of assholes, but you're a Philly girl who likes car bombs, so you can't be all bad. I was in Avalon String Band (which is the where Kelce got the suit he wore at the parade), so while I'm not an Eagles fan (they're literally the one thing I DON'T like about the city) I get it.
Sorry for your dad. I'm glad you got that time with him.
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So sad to hear about your Dad. But I'm glad he got to see the SB season and enjoy it with his family.
I feel like such a phony becoming an Eagles fan in September. A lot of my friends and family are from Eastern PA and my wife and in-laws are die hard Philly sports fans. Some have called me a good luck charm. Other look at me like... dude we've been waiting our whole lives and you had to wait a few months.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22869522/new-york-giants-trading-jason-pierre-paul-fourth-round-pick-tampa-bay-buccaneers
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This feeling was unlike anything I'd ever felt, although the Phillies winning the World Series in 2008 was pretty close.
It is not lost on me that I may never experience this again. And if I don't, that's ok. I can still die happy.
The elation is now bittersweet for me though. My dad came up for the parade from SC with my younger sister. He was so excited for it. We had a great time at the parade, in the city before dawn and standing in the below-freezing temp all day, screaming ourselves hoarse as the parade procession rolled by us and doing Irish car bombs at the bar afterward. 5 days later my dad died from a heart attack. He was born in 1960 (the year the Eagles last won a championship) and literally waited an entire lifetime to see an Eagles super bowl win. I can never really put into words how much this all means to me now. How grateful I am to have had the experience just once in my life at all, but so glad I got to share it with my dad. :heart
I'm so sorry to hear that Neon. I'm glad that you got to share the parade with him. Cherish that moment. it's those moments that always pop into my head with my mom.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22869522/new-york-giants-trading-jason-pierre-paul-fourth-round-pick-tampa-bay-buccaneers
Really loved him here, even with his blown off fingers. But this is a good deal. His value is declining and the Giants save some money and get more picks for the future.
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This feeling was unlike anything I'd ever felt, although the Phillies winning the World Series in 2008 was pretty close.
It is not lost on me that I may never experience this again. And if I don't, that's ok. I can still die happy.
The elation is now bittersweet for me though. My dad came up for the parade from SC with my younger sister. He was so excited for it. We had a great time at the parade, in the city before dawn and standing in the below-freezing temp all day, screaming ourselves hoarse as the parade procession rolled by us and doing Irish car bombs at the bar afterward. 5 days later my dad died from a heart attack. He was born in 1960 (the year the Eagles last won a championship) and literally waited an entire lifetime to see an Eagles super bowl win. I can never really put into words how much this all means to me now. How grateful I am to have had the experience just once in my life at all, but so glad I got to share it with my dad. :heart
Don't know you from a row of assholes, but you're a Philly girl who likes car bombs, so you can't be all bad. I was in Avalon String Band (which is the where Kelce got the suit he wore at the parade), so while I'm not an Eagles fan (they're literally the one thing I DON'T like about the city) I get it.
Sorry for your dad. I'm glad you got that time with him.
That's so awesome dude. When the parade rolled by us I was laughing because I saw Jason Kelce dressed as a Mummer and he was living it up and it was hilarious. And the day after the parade I had actually posted something along the lines of, "I dare you to find me anything more 'Philly' than Jason Kelce giving that epic profanity-laced speech during the Eagles parade ceremony from the steps of the art museum dressed as a goddamn Mummer...." :lol It's funny, I remember when the Phillies won the World Series in 2008 and Chase Utley gave his "World Fucking Champions!" speech. And as the ceremony for the Eagles parade was going on I remember thinking, "We need another Chase Utley style speech"...and then Kelce took the mic and the rest will live on as absolute Philly lore, legend and infamy forever.
Do you still live in the Philly area? I'm actually in South Jersey but I'm so close to the city it's easier to just say "I'm from Philly."
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So sad to hear about your Dad. But I'm glad he got to see the SB season and enjoy it with his family.
I feel like such a phony becoming an Eagles fan in September. A lot of my friends and family are from Eastern PA and my wife and in-laws are die hard Philly sports fans. Some have called me a good luck charm. Other look at me like... dude we've been waiting our whole lives and you had to wait a few months.
Well...as someone who experienced decades of frustration and heartache and bitching and pissing and moaning about the Eagles, I want to be all like, "Screw you man...where the hell have you been all these years." But whatever, everyone's gotta start somewhere. And if your in-laws gave you a pass, you're good :lol Thanks for being the good-luck charm. We could have used you a long time ago. Welcome aboard.
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So sad to hear about your Dad. But I'm glad he got to see the SB season and enjoy it with his family.
I feel like such a phony becoming an Eagles fan in September. A lot of my friends and family are from Eastern PA and my wife and in-laws are die hard Philly sports fans. Some have called me a good luck charm. Other look at me like... dude we've been waiting our whole lives and you had to wait a few months.
Well...as someone who experienced decades of frustration and heartache and bitching and pissing and moaning about the Eagles, I want to be all like, "Screw you man...where the hell have you been all these years." But whatever, everyone's gotta start somewhere. And if your in-laws gave you a pass, you're good :lol Thanks for being the good-luck charm. We could have used you a long time ago. Welcome aboard.
The thanks should go to Kaepernick. :lol
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Jets signed Terrelle Pryor. I like the move. That guy gets a bad rap. He's a real good receiver, and I think he'll do well.
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Jets signed Terrelle Pryor. I like the move. That guy gets a bad rap. He's a real good receiver, and I think he'll do well.
Curious to see the financials on that deal.
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The jury is still out on if Pryor is a good NFL WR. He put up good numbers on a Browns team in 2016 that was always losing (see: garbage yards), but was utter dog crap last year on a WR-friendly Redskins team. It will be interesting to see if he can bounce back after being so awful in 2017.
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That's so awesome dude. When the parade rolled by us I was laughing because I saw Jason Kelce dressed as a Mummer and he was living it up and it was hilarious. And the day after the parade I had actually posted something along the lines of, "I dare you to find me anything more 'Philly' than Jason Kelce giving that epic profanity-laced speech during the Eagles parade ceremony from the steps of the art museum dressed as a goddamn Mummer...." :lol It's funny, I remember when the Phillies won the World Series in 2008 and Chase Utley gave his "World Fucking Champions!" speech. And as the ceremony for the Eagles parade was going on I remember thinking, "We need another Chase Utley style speech"...and then Kelce took the mic and the rest will live on as absolute Philly lore, legend and infamy forever.
Do you still live in the Philly area? I'm actually in South Jersey but I'm so close to the city it's easier to just say "I'm from Philly."
I do not; I moved back to Connecticut by necessity, but I miss it every day. I used to live over by 2nd and Christian; I had a great bar in walking distance (For Pete's Sake) and the Italian Market nearby.
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The jury is still out on if Pryor is a good NFL WR. He put up good numbers on a Browns team in 2016 that was always losing (see: garbage yards), but was utter dog crap last year on a WR-friendly Redskins team. It will be interesting to see if he can bounce back after being so awful in 2017.
He was hurt all last year. I forget how much the contract is for, but the Jets have a ton of cap room, so they could care less. I am sure it is probably just a one year deal anyway.
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The jury is still out on if Pryor is a good NFL WR. He put up good numbers on a Browns team in 2016 that was always losing (see: garbage yards), but was utter dog crap last year on a WR-friendly Redskins team. It will be interesting to see if he can bounce back after being so awful in 2017.
He was hurt all last year. I forget how much the contract is for, but the Jets have a ton of cap room, so they could care less. I am sure it is probably just a one year deal anyway.
Yea, this whole debate was happening on WFAN and it pretty much came down to a win if the contract was for little money (this convo happened before he was signed, no idea what his contract is worth). The Jets need a WR and he showed some flashes but also has concerns, so for a small price then it's a good deal.
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https://sports.mynorthwest.com/428551/ex-seahawks-de-michael-bennett-indicted-for-alleged-super-bowl-incident/
Former Seattle Seahawks defensive end Michael Bennett has been indicted by a grand jury in Harris County, Texas for allegedly injuring a 66-year-old paraplegic woman at Super Bowl LI in 2017.
Bennett allegedly shoved his way onto the field at Houston’s NRG Stadium at the conclusion of the game after being told to use a different entrance to access the field. The elderly woman was a member of the security team.
In a related story, a revised edition of his upcoming book “Things That Make White People Uncomfortable” will feature a chapter entitled "My fist in your old lady face is you don't get the hell out of my way."
Your leaving Seattle couldn't have come at a better time.
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Guy is scum IMO, let's not forget how he handled his police situation in Vegas as well.
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Well, they're finally and officially revising the 'what is a catch?' rule. That will put an end to all the debates and excessive replay delays ;)
And permanently placing KO touchbacks to the 25 (amongst a couple of other things).
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I wish they would have just gotten rid of kickoffs. Keep Punts and FGs with the option to try an onside kick.
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Bad idea. That would take away the surprise onside kick. Sure, it doesn't happen often, but it's awesome when it does.
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Agree Kev. I still find kickoffs in the punt returns fun when they actually run.
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I don't like making special teams irrelevant. STs adds a lot, especially to the pro game with small rosters. Makes teams go after athletes who can play football multiple ways and play a role even if it's not a starting position. Oh yea, it's also some of the most exciting plays of the game.
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If the argument against kickoffs is the potential injury from full-speed tacklers, then don't allow them a running start. Everyone has to line up on the 30 (that's the kickoff line now I think?), and only give the kicker a 5 yard run-up. That'll shorten the kicks, and slow the tacklers down at least a little bit?
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For me, the interest is almost always in the mistakes, and to take away the kickoff, takes away the chance for some kid to think he's going to run it back 106 yards in 20 degree weather, and instead have it bounce off his dome. Or watch some hotshot think he's going to make the highlight reel with an over-commit on the tackle and get toasted (I'm thinking of the kickoff version of what happened in Minnesota/New Orleans).
Tony Romo booting the extra point is always a great example here, too. There are no gimme's in the NFL.
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So it seems the league came pretty close to passing the so-called Josh McDaniels rule that would allow assistant coaches to sign contracts with other teams while they're still in the playoffs. Who the hell is running this shit-show? The problem isn't that coaches can't sign with other teams while still coaching, but rather that they are allowed to negotiate with them when they should be focusing on their damn job. Hell, why don't we just allow players to negotiate in the middle of the playoffs?
Thankfully, Belichick and, quite ironically, Colt's GM Ballard managed to talk some sense into these ass-hats.
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I was thinking the same thing El Barto. how about plain and simple you can't talk to a coach until they're out of the playoffs.
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Yea, when I heard this was being considered I was wondering if the reporting got it backwards.
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I was thinking the same thing El Barto. how about plain and simple you can't talk to a coach until they're out of the playoffs.
You might need to stipulate that no coaches can negotiate during the playoffs, but I'm not honestly sure that'll be necessary. The argument will be that playoff coaches will get left behind as the jobs are filled, but I doubt that'll happen. If the guy you want is still OC'ing somewhere then you wait for him to become available. If you're out of the playoffs you wait and see what the best offer is, and that won't come about until everybody can be considered.
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If I get what you're saying because there are some teams that are in the playoffs that would change coaches but those teams usually fall in the early rounds.
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If I get what you're saying because there are some teams that are in the playoffs that would change coaches but those teams usually fall in the early rounds.
New England?
The concern would be that if a team can't pursue JMD and MP until after the SB, then there won't be anybody left if they don't get their man.
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No talking about like the Tennessee situation. When it just be fair that every team cannot get a new coach until after the Super Bowl? I know teams want to get a head start but no team will have an advantage if everybody gets an advantage if everybody starts at the same time after the Super Bowl
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I think rather than continuing tweaking rules to make the game safer they should just take away the helmets. These guys would be forced to play safer unless they want to really hurt themselves. Look at rugby, those guys are crazy tough but you don't hear much about concussions.
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They'd need to take away a lot of the other pads too if they were going to take away helmets.
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No talking about like the Tennessee situation. When it just be fair that every team cannot get a new coach until after the Super Bowl? I know teams want to get a head start but no team will have an advantage if everybody gets an advantage if everybody starts at the same time after the Super Bowl
Well that's just logical, and how the other major sports do it. Why would the NFL wanna be like that!?!?
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No talking about like the Tennessee situation. When it just be fair that every team cannot get a new coach until after the Super Bowl? I know teams want to get a head start but no team will have an advantage if everybody gets an advantage if everybody starts at the same time after the Super Bowl
Well that's just logical, and how the other major sports do it. Why would the NFL wanna be like that!?!?
I know. Logic! :lol
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No talking about like the Tennessee situation. When it just be fair that every team cannot get a new coach until after the Super Bowl? I know teams want to get a head start but no team will have an advantage if everybody gets an advantage if everybody starts at the same time after the Super Bowl
Well that's just logical, and how the other major sports do it. Why would the NFL wanna be like that!?!?
I know. Logic! :lol
In college football they also allow this, and there's a reason which is so that those coaches can recruit and get a class to come there. Even then, leaving a school (of kids who committed to playing for you) before/during the post season seems like such a poor practice. I'd like to see the NFL wait till the official season ends before teams can make such changes.
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I wouldn't say the NCAA has any kind of 'gold standard' of practices by which to follow. :lol
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Cooks to the Rams!!!!
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Fine move by NE. Dude was in the final year of a massively back-loaded contract. Give up a #32. Get a reasonably productive year out of the guy at the bargain-basement price of $1.5 mil. Trade him for a #28 right before his contract balloons to $8.5 mil. Not really sure how you can play it much better than that.
After several months of baffling decisions from Bill it's nice to be reminded how good the guy is. Now he just needs to replace him (and not lose Gronk).
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Good trade for both teams.
Brady's head will explode if/when Belichick accumulates enough draft picks to trade into the top 5 to take a QB.
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The deal is Pat's trading Cooks and a 4th round pick for the 23rd pick in the first round and a 6th round pick from the Rams.
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The deal is Pat's trading Cooks and a 4th round pick for the 23rd pick in the first round and a 6th round pick from the Rams.
Which I believe was the same deal to get him from the Saints. I could be wrong, but it seems to me they moved a pick up 9 spots and got a year of cheap WR play.
Good trade for both teams.
Brady's head will explode if/when Belichick accumulates enough draft picks to trade into the top 5 to take a QB.
I reckon he's at that point now, but I don't see him ever spending a top five on a QB.
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You're dead on with that El Barto. What's surprising is getting the number one pick for a guy in the last year of his contract.
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Obviously I don't know what went on with Garapolo (one r? two? one l? two?) but Brady can't be that stupid that he doesn't realize the team has to set up for the eventuality of his retirement. Even if he plays for five more years or whatever he thinks, they can still draft a top five, groom him for a year or two and if Brady is still playing, trade him for a shit ton of picks.
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Gronk is actually the interesting puzzle piece. He's apparently made it clear that he's only playing as long as TB is there. I can certainly understand that, but that really complicates things going forward since we have no idea how long that might be. Before yesterday trading Gronk actually made a lot of sense from a Belichick standpoint. Not that's out.
It's also starting to look like a lot of the guys really are tired of Bill. I don't get that, myself, money and rings seem to be an NFL player's primary concern, but whatever. Grass is always greener, I guess.
The guy who really got fucked in all of this is OBJ. LA was his one big chance and they passed. The NYG want a ton for the rights to him, and he wants a ton to play. Monday he might have gotten it. Now he's stuck.
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I get that vague sense about Bill as well, which is a shame, because it kind of shows that the tide is really strong against organization and coaching, and tells me that this will never happen again, at least in this form.
Ten years ago, if you were tired of Bill, you went to another organization (the way it should be). I don't know where the rot started, but it's seeming that the inmates are starting to control the asylum. If you're Bill, and you want to coach another ten years, what's the play? Get rid of Brady? Do you think he's the root of the mutiny (even if inadvertently)?
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I think the entitlement stems from winning two Super Bowls and now they want the noose loosened. What they don't realize is that the worst thing that can happen. look what happened when all the players went and complained and they got Pete Carroll as a coach for the Patriots he loosened up and each year they had less wins.
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Good trade for both teams.
Brady's head will explode if/when Belichick accumulates enough draft picks to trade into the top 5 to take a QB.
The only team I can see trading down at this point in the top 5 is Denver. The Browns, Jets, and Giants need their picks. Denver is curious, because the Keenum signing is obviously a stop gap. But they wouldn't have signed him had they believed in Lynch. So, if they don't believe in Lynch, they will probably draft a guy, which likely will be Baker Mayfield.
The Patriots aren't going for Lamar Jackson, would they? I expect him to be gone before #23. Buffalo or Arizona may pull the trigger...
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I think the entitlement stems from winning two Super Bowls and now they want the noose loosened. What they don't realize is that the worst thing that can happen. look what happened when all the players went and complained and they got Pete Carroll as a coach for the Patriots he loosened up and each year they had less wins.
This is the sense I get, as well. Most players struggle their entire careers trying to win a ring. That's a helluva motivation. Once you've won 2 or 5 it's probably a lot more tempting to go for the money or an easier ride. You've gotten the hard part out of the way.
And the best example is going to be Dallas in the early 90s. Jimmy was an early incarnation of Belichick and he ran a tight ship. When he was replaced by a "player's coach" they imploded spectacularly.
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Not really newsworthy, but apparently PETA is after Von Miller because he caught a hammerhead shark on a fishing trip in Florida. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/florida-officials-investigation-von-miller-caught-hammerhead-shark-175959889.html
But I posted it because the best part of the article was actually in the comments section where someone posted: "If he was a JETS wide receiver he wouldn't have caught anything." :rollin
Second best part was Miller's caption on the pic itself.
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Not really newsworthy, but apparently PETA is after Von Miller because he caught a hammerhead shark on a fishing trip in Florida. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/florida-officials-investigation-von-miller-caught-hammerhead-shark-175959889.html
But I posted it because the best part of the article was actually in the comments section where someone posted: "If he was a JETS wide receiver he wouldn't have caught anything." :rollin
:censored :censored :censored :censored
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:rollin
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Von is such a bonehead :facepalm:
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The Von thing kinda pisses me off. I'm not a bonafide treehugger...but.... There is no reason in the world to kill an endangered species animal. He should have cut it loose when he got it to the boat and got his pic. Just like there are tag and release programs for other gamefish such as Billfish, Roosterfish, etc...
As a serious scuba diver and underwater photographer I've seen the decline of sharks and other oceanic species over the years. Senseless, seriously senseless. We're talking sheer trophy hunting, not hunting for sustenance.
/rant off
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I remember fishing off Sanibel Island with my dad - this is about 10 years ago - and I caught a hammerhead; I don't know if it was a baby or not, but it was a perfect, scale version of what you'd expect a hammerhead to look like, except it was about 16" long or so. It was SO COOL, and would have been awesome to have mounted on a fireplace or whatever.
It wasn't even an option. My dad - who fished with his neighbor probably four times a week at that point - had the "keep" list taped to his boat, and Cam Newton, Jr. went back in the water about as fast as it came out.
(I don't actually remember if that fish was on the "keep" list or not, and I knew nothing about any laws or whatnot, I just know my dad made a thumb gesture like "back it goes" and so it did. My dad didn't usually mess around with that stuff, just as a matter of principle.)
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Cam Newton, Jr.
:lol
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I remember fishing off Sanibel Island with my dad - this is about 10 years ago - and I caught a hammerhead; I don't know if it was a baby or not, but it was a perfect, scale version of what you'd expect a hammerhead to look like, except it was about 16" long or so. It was SO COOL, and would have been awesome to have mounted on a fireplace or whatever.
It wasn't even an option. My dad - who fished with his neighbor probably four times a week at that point - had the "keep" list taped to his boat, and Cam Newton, Jr. went back in the water about as fast as it came out.
(I don't actually remember if that fish was on the "keep" list or not, and I knew nothing about any laws or whatnot, I just know my dad made a thumb gesture like "back it goes" and so it did. My dad didn't usually mess around with that stuff, just as a matter of principle.)
Good for your Pops!!! Funny thing is... "Mounted" fish now are replicas. All you need to know is the type and size and Voila! Instant trophy without the kill! Cam Newton Jr. :rollin
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Two things going around about TNF:
1. Better matchups
2. No more color rush uniforms
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I'm not sure what can really be done to make a substantial difference on #1. I mean, could they do better? Sure. But the fact of the matter is, there are only so many good teams and only so many good matchups. Even when we ONLY had MNF, there were duds. Now we have SNF, MNF, and TNF. There are going to be more then a few duds, and I don't see what can be done about that. And that is compounded by the fact that, since it is a prime time game, expectations are somehow higher as to the expected quality. I'm glad there is talk about making it better. But I'm not expecting a huge difference. Personally, I wish we could go back to just Sunday and Monday for games. I know that isn't going to happen, but I think that would help more.
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Seems like they could just make them all divisional games. Those have a higher likelihood of being a decent game, even if it's Dolphins v. Jets. It also increases the likelihood of violence and mayhem, heated rivalries and whatnot, so even shitty game has a chance of becoming a minor riot.
And by all means do away with that color rush nonsense. If you're going to do something fundamentally stupid like that I say dress them all up like fruit. I want to see bananas vs carrots. Maybe get Vic Romano and Kenny Blankenship to announce the game.
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Was thinking the same thing with using division games, specifically picking some of the bigger rival games and/or picking teams that were pre-season favorites to win their division. I still think over saturation is an issue as well and you'll never be able to consistently get good games with 3 primetime games and the random nature of the NFL, but I think they could improve a little bit.
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Not a reply to you, Cram, but a general observation: Not sure how "oversaturation" fits into this. The games ARE going to be played one way or another, on one day or another. Why not televise it? Yeah, I don't live in Jacksonville or Tennessee, but they still have to play. Why not throw it out there nationally to see it? If it's not a good game, you don't have to watch it, but on the odd chance that it's an interesting game, it's there for us to see.
I agree about the uniforms, though. That's not the same thing; that sort of makes a mockery of the game.
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Oversaturation of "prime time", the schedule hasn't changed (yet) so there's obviously no new games. But like Bosk said, people have higher expectations if it's a lone prime time game. Adding TNF has saturated the field of these games. Seems like SNF usually gets the best game, but the product of all three prime time games has gone down since adding TNF.
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Yeah, exactly. The way it used to be, if you watched at every opportunity, you'd get 2 games on Sunday, and one game on Monday night. Which games, of course, varied depending on what market you were in and what was televised in that market. But you'd get to watch, at most, 3 games a week, barring playoffs and special weeks where there was an odd game (like Thanksgiving). Part of that was a product of the technology back then, and I'm not saying that we ignore technology and go backwards. But what I am saying is that it sort of made football feel special, and that is especially true of that MNF game each week.
Now, even without getting into how you could theoretically watch every single game played in a given week if you have the right access, just by watching what is live, you can get 3 games on Sunday, one on Monday, and one on Thursday. That's almost double what we previously had access to (and it is when we get an additional MNF game when they do double-headers). And that is triple the number of prime time games. So it's no wonder the prime time game has lost its sheen and feels less "special."
Again, I'm not saying we go back. But I kind of wish we could in some respects. The added day (Thursday) not only makes the games feel less "special," but it also really messes with team scheduling and can put teams at a real disadvantage. I have to say, I'm not a fan.
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I've got to be honest, I don't watch many TNF game and I'm an NFL fan.
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I'm not entirely sure I would want to go back against TNF. I get it makes things harder for the teams, but as a fan, the more I can watch, the better I feel. However, like King, I hardly watch TNF anyway just because the matches historically haven't been very attractive. So if they dumped it, I wouldn't be upset.
Also, what about the idea of not having SNF games set in stone before the season. Sort of like how they do it in the last week or two with flex games. Pre-assign MNF and TNF (since those aren't on Sunday, the logistics need to be settled) to the best games of the week based on what one would think those would be, then let SNF pick the game they want from the rest so SNF is almost guaranteed the best game, but it's not really taking away from MNF or TNF. Sure it would suck for the fans to not know if your game is at night until a week beforehand (maybe not even until that Tuesday) but it seems like attendance isn't really growing at the games anyway. Just a thought.
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I'm not entirely sure I would want to go back against TNF. I get it makes things harder for the teams, but as a fan, the more I can watch, the better I feel. However, like King, I hardly watch TNF anyway just because the matches historically haven't been very attractive. So if they dumped it, I wouldn't be upset.
Also, what about the idea of not having SNF games set in stone before the season. Sort of like how they do it in the last week or two with flex games. Pre-assign MNF and TNF (since those aren't on Sunday, the logistics need to be settled) to the best games of the week based on what one would think those would be, then let SNF pick the game they want from the rest so SNF is almost guaranteed the best game, but it's not really taking away from MNF or TNF. Sure it would suck for the fans to not know if your game is at night until a week beforehand (maybe not even until that Tuesday) but it seems like attendance isn't really growing at the games anyway. Just a thought.
SNF can flex their games as soon as late October/Early November. However they don't always grab the best game on the Sunday slate because A. The other networks are allowed to protect X amount of games and B. If it's a super popular team or teams they won't necessarily flex to better teams. All they care about are ratings.
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You can't flex Thursday night games. Because of the short turn around teams need to know well in advance. Also, keep in mind the logistics of transporting a team and all of the equipment. Lodging. Practice. Bumping a game 3 hours to move it to prime time isn't a problem. Changing the dates would wreck everything.
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I'm not entirely sure I would want to go back against TNF. I get it makes things harder for the teams, but as a fan, the more I can watch, the better I feel. However, like King, I hardly watch TNF anyway just because the matches historically haven't been very attractive. So if they dumped it, I wouldn't be upset.
If I'm being honest, that's where I am, really. I support it, but it's not as if I am waiting at 8:29 with popcorn in hand for the thrilling adventure that is TNF. I'll watch it if there is nothing else on or if the wife falls asleep. I kind of like that it's there, though.
What do the players think? Anyone know?
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Players hate it. They've been lobbying to do away with it for years but the owners are steadfast. Shitty product or not there's a ton of money to be made from it.
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Would love for them to get back to Thursday NFL football only on opening night, and 2 games on Turkey Day.
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Unless it is the Broncos or a marquee matchup, how much I watch the Thursday and Monday night games now depends entirely on how much interest I have regarding my fantasy football match-ups. If the Thursday night game is Bills vs Jets and neither my opponent nor I have a player going in the game, I probably won't watch much.
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I don't watch a Bills/Jets matchup either. :lol
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I should point out that there are a handful of players who are so exciting and so good that they can usually get me to tune in, even if the matchup is poor:
Aaron Rodgers
Blake Bortles
Odell Beckham
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:tup
:omg:
:tup
:lol
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I should point out that there are a handful of players who are so exciting and so good that they can usually get me to tune in, even if the matchup is poor:
Odell Beckham
There is nothing that would make me want to watch him.
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I should point out that there are a handful of players who are so exciting and so good that they can usually get me to tune in, even if the matchup is poor:
Odell Beckham
There is nothing that would make me want to watch him.
Even if a net attacked him?
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A net?
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Tim, come on, you had to see him take a swing at the kicker's net last year only to see bounce back at him. It was glorious. It was like the net was attacking him.
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Sorry, that was the year before. He was out all of last year.
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Oh, I don't remember that.
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Oh, I don't remember that.
You are in for a treat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be3T7ZWG65E
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Ha! I like the video game.
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I do too. His talent is from the Gods but he is so fragile upstairs. He'll turn into Dez Bryant if he doesn't produce on the field again.
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Even if he does produce. He's had his moments even when he's played fairly well.
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It's a love hate relationship with him. Guy needs so much attention and he deserves a lot, but he really needs to grow up before the NY fan base turns on him. He's already got a lot of dislike even though he's the most electric player of any sport in the NYC area.
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I should point out that there are a handful of players who are so exciting and so good that they can usually get me to tune in, even if the matchup is poor:
Odell Beckham
There is nothing that would make me want to watch him.
Even if a net attacked him?
Or Frankie.
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Dez dropped it. Dez got dropped.
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Dez being cut is good for both parties. The Cowboys couldn't afford to pay him 12.5, and no other team would be dumb enough to.
That said, he's a better receiver than he is regarded down here. Much like Romo the locals all think he sucks. Far from it. Jerry did him a huge disservice by appointing him the new Jesus when he was drafted. He was touted as the heir apparent to Drew Pearson and Michael Irvin, and people had that standard stuck in their head which is unrealistic, and unfair to him.
Personally, I thought he was a very good receiver, but he wasn't the playmaker Dallas needed. A good receiver can go out and take a game over. Beat the other team single handed. I never once saw Dez takeover a game.
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So where does he go? Is he Randy Moss Pt. II in New England?
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So where does he go? Is he Randy Moss Pt. II in New England?
I completely disagree.
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No chance of him being Randy Moss II.
Dez is a terrible route runner. He has put no effort over the years into learning his craft. He was so good for a while because of his God-given physical tools, but as those have slight eroded, his production has dropped off because he probably still thinks he can get away with his physical tools, instead of working to expand his game.
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No chance of him being Randy Moss II.
Dez is a terrible route runner. He has put no effort over the years into learning his craft. He was so good for a while because of his God-given physical tools, but as those have slight eroded, his production has dropped off because he probably still thinks he can get away with his physical tools, instead of working to expand his game.
This. Moss got by not only on his physical gifts but also by being one of the smartest receivers to ever play. He understood the importance of route running, but also understood what every player on the field was doing and was going to do. Dez is a good player, but he's far more likely to be Chad Ocho-cinco II than Moss II.
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So, from what you guys are saying he'd fit in with Cam Newton.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/here%E2%80%99s-why-danny-amendola-chose-to-leave-patriots-sign-with-dolphins/ar-AAvRToA?ocid=ientp
Amendola also shared some candid comments on his experience playing for Belichick.“It’s not easy, that’s for sure,” he told Reiss. “He’s an a–h— sometimes. There were a lot of things I didn’t like about playing for him, but I must say, the things I didn’t like were all in regards to getting the team better, and I respected him. I didn’t like practicing in the snow, I didn’t like practicing in the rain, but that was going to make us a better football team and that was going to make me a better football player. It wasn’t easy, and he’d be the first to admit, at the (Super Bowl) ring ceremony, that it wasn’t easy playing for him. The silver lining was that we were at the ring ceremony.”
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/here%E2%80%99s-why-danny-amendola-chose-to-leave-patriots-sign-with-dolphins/ar-AAvRToA?ocid=ientp
Amendola also shared some candid comments on his experience playing for Belichick.“It’s not easy, that’s for sure,” he told Reiss. “He’s an a–h— sometimes. There were a lot of things I didn’t like about playing for him, but I must say, the things I didn’t like were all in regards to getting the team better, and I respected him. I didn’t like practicing in the snow, I didn’t like practicing in the rain, but that was going to make us a better football team and that was going to make me a better football player. It wasn’t easy, and he’d be the first to admit, at the (Super Bowl) ring ceremony, that it wasn’t easy playing for him. The silver lining was that we were at the ring ceremony.”
Sounds about right. Like I said the other day, a lot of the leadership on that team has already one theirs, and playing for a notorious bastard is probably not all that interesting to them anymore. Hence the current discontent. Yet I have to wonder how a player like Brady, who's worked for Bill his entire career, would find life in some place like Dallas, where discipline is just a word you throw about to seem serious. I think he'd like it for about 5 minutes, and then realize how important it is to not be a disorganized group of half-assers.
And I figured every team practiced in the snow and rain. That shouldn't be an issue at all. If there are teams that don't they don't deserve one title, much less five.
In any case, I'm starting to tire of Gronk's attitude. It's pretty clear he's becoming a malcontent, and if that's the case it'd be worth it to take the "better too soon than too late" approach. While it's obviously impossible to replace him, there's also the very real possibility that they do without him anyway. He's not durable and he's only getting older. Moreover, he's made it clear he's only playing in NE for as long as TB is, so you can't expect any longterm future out of him.
Truth be told, I'd say the same thing about TB, but it seems Kraft has taken that option off the table.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-rumors-tom-brady-leading-%e2%80%98pushback%e2%80%99-against-bill-belichick%e2%80%99s-culture/ar-AAvZNqT?ocid=ientp
I feel like this is a lot of speculation. Any thoughts?
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this is not the first time he's missed the first voluntary practices which is all about weight lifting goes against everything he does it is TB12 method. This is no surprise. When we get to the mandatory and they actually start throwing and he's not there, then I worry.
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God damn I wish they'd kept Garopollo. I'd really like to see this team moving forward, and it just doesn't seem to be happening.
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I really think the media speculations are adding to our fears right now.
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Well, Brady is not leading a revolt in the literal sense, I don't think. However it does make me think of the Wickersham article where players think they are appeasing the QB if they use Guerrero.
Curran is pretty dialed in down there so I would take what he says seriously, and I'm not even a huge Curran fan.
The thing is, Brady has really enabled Bill to coach the team the way he does. But as Bart says,
Yet I have to wonder how a player like Brady, who's worked for Bill his entire career, would find life in some place like Dallas, where discipline is just a word you throw about to seem serious. I think he'd like it for about 5 minutes, and then realize how important it is to not be a disorganized group of half-assers.
This is totally true.
But the Belichick/Brady legend really gets etched by going to 3 of the last 4 SB's. They may not have gotten there without Brady being pissed off about Jimmy G, but he may also not have gotten there, as he probably believes, without Guerrero.
Losing the SB plays a huge [art of this, which includes the Butler decision. Some think it's similar to Carrol not running Lynch at the goal line. I don't really disagree with that.
I think Brady is getting a LOT of pressure at home, and the coach's decision in the SB, for seemingly no reason, is really making Brady think.
When we get to the mandatory and they actually start throwing and he's not there, then I worry.
I agree.
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You make a very good point. Does the Patriot way happen if Brady isn't aboard? We know that Bill will enforce it anyway, he's not shy about shipping people off who won't conform, but without TB that might include a lot of other players. At this point, who's the elder statesman of the locker room if it's not TB? Gronk has seemingly made it clear he's there because of TB at this point.
Moreover, if TB is no longer aboard what does that do with the new QB that will almost certainly coming along shortly? Seems to me you need him ahead of the new guy more for instilling in him the way things are done, rather than how to play QB. All the more reason that starting fresh without Garopollo is highly problematic.
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I think Brady is more pissed off that his business partner, Alex Guerrero, was not allowed to hang out with the team. The real issue is the is head butting going on about the training. Brady is all about flexibility, same with Gronk. So some of the players were not listening to the coaching staff on their training and BB told Guerrero, he no longer can help the team.
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You make a very good point. Does the Patriot way happen if Brady isn't aboard?
You know it's a slow day on Boston Sports Radio when the host says, "Who is more important, Brady or Belichick?" They know they can always milk a couple of hours with it.
To me, it's 50-50. Could either have won a SB without the other? Sure. Would they have been to EIGHT SBs without the other? Hell no!
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Yeah, I hate that argument. You need both to have this kind of run.
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Ah, y'all are discussing who was more important. To that point I'm going with Bill. To me one of his greatest attributes as an HC is an ability gameplan around what he has to work with. He doesn't have a system, and he doesn't need to recruit players to fit into that system. He takes the best talent available and finds a way to make them all work together. We're talking about a coach who, when speaking about his O-line being decimated by injuries says "you know, there's nothing in the rulebook that says you have to play 5 offensive linemen." Who the hell thinks that way? While he's still the GOAT, Brady doesn't have the same level of success stuck in one system that might or might not have the right guys to work within it.
If we're talking about who is more important, it's Bill and it's not even close. Brady's on his way out. Bill's the one that has to figure out how to keep the thing on the tracks.
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I think we're talking about the full run not the end here. You can go to 8 Super Bowls without a great coach and a great quarterback.
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You can go to 8 Super Bowls without a great coach and a great quarterback.
Of course you can. I remember seeing something a few years back about a guy who had been to all or most of them. Started going when he was a kid, and kept right on going.
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As much as I love TB, it's Bill. Brady was/is a unique talent, but 25 (how many teams are there? That number minus one) other teams didn't see it. Does he develop to "TB12" playing under Jason Garrett? I don't think so. Does Bill nuture another QB to play well in his system? I think he does. Again, maybe not 8 Super Bowls in five years, but I think the odds of Bill happening without Tom are better than Tom happening without Bill.
I also am with King, that a lot of this is filling the time after football and the NCAA and before the hockey season starts and baseball gets real.
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Oh, baseball is still a thing?
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Again, maybe not 8 Super Bowls in five years, but I think the odds of Bill happening without Tom are better than Tom happening without Bill.
Wow, that IS amazing!!
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Oh, the NBA is still a thing?
Fixed
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You can go to 8 Super Bowls without a great coach and a great quarterback.
Of course you can. I remember seeing something a few years back about a guy who had been to all or most of them. Started going when he was a kid, and kept right on going.
Can't dammit! :lol Can't!
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One of my favorite nights of the off-season is upon us. The unveiling of the 2018 regular season schedule! Minnesota at Philadelphia is rumored to be the kickoff game. We know about the games for London and Mexico. Can't wait to see how the rest shakes out!
Also read that the kickoff time for prime time games are moving up. 15 minutes for MNF and SNF and a whopping 10 minutes for SNF. I guess every little bit helps for us east coast fans.
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I like that change too. Although when I travel to the west coast I really hate it how early games are :lol
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I like that change too. Although when I travel to the west coast I really hate it how early games are :lol
DUDE! I used to love that!! I lived in LA for about a year or so, and I would come home, crack a beer, cook some food and watch football. After I could either sleep or go out if I wanted. Sundays was even better. Wake up make some coffee, watch football, do the Sunday crossword and the rest of the day was in front of you.
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Jets/Lions is the early game of the MNF doubleheader Week 1...yuck. Just more proof that the NFL doesn't give a damn anymore about having good match-ups on MNF. Sunday nights get the best games.
The 49ers are already the darling sleeper pick for 2018, but their first seven games are nightmarish.
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Yeah, as a Jets fan I have no idea why we're opening up the season in prime time :lol
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It seems that the thought of "improving" TNF has further hurt MNF. There are some dog games on the schedule for sure.
Eagles host the Falcons and NOT the Vikings in week on. Love it when "sure thing" rumors are wrong.
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The schedule release night is one of my favorite nights of the off season too, my family always picks a weekend to fly out to Denver to see a Broncos game :metal
I was hoping after a bad season the prices would drop, but they're looking just as ridiculous as they've been the last few seasons :facepalm: We're looking at possibly attending either week 1 vs. Seattle or week 2 vs. Oakland. We also live about an hour and a half away from Metlife Stadium so we may end up going to see them play the NY Jets this year, but we won't make the mistake of wearing any Broncos stuff to that stadium again.
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I like that change too. Although when I travel to the west coast I really hate it how early games are :lol
DUDE! I used to love that!! I lived in LA for about a year or so, and I would come home, crack a beer, cook some food and watch football. After I could either sleep or go out if I wanted. Sundays was even better. Wake up make some coffee, watch football, do the Sunday crossword and the rest of the day was in front of you.
Yup...I've said it before...I don't know how you east coast folks do it. You have to sit around until 1:00 before you get football on Sunday. MNF/TNF games don't start until after 8:00. National baseball games routinely don't end until after midnight. I'm guessing there's a whole generation of east coast kids that has never seen the end of a World Series game.
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God damn I wish they'd kept Garopollo. I'd really like to see this team moving forward, and it just doesn't seem to be happening.
No backsies!
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God damn I wish they'd kept Garopollo. I'd really like to see this team moving forward, and it just doesn't seem to be happening.
No backsies!
I wouldn't rest too easily out there. This wouldn't be the first time in history a player takes leave, then comes "back home" to assume the mantle of leadership.
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He just signed a long term deal. He's not coming back.
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Bears opening up at lambeau for the packers 100th season is the best way for the pack T.K. open. Go pack go!!
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Rams 5 Prime Time games! We will be at the home ones, Thurs Night vs the Vikes, Sun night vs. the Eagles. Finally we will be heading down to Mexico City for our "Home" Mon. night game vs. the Chiefs!
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Once again I have to say that Gronk is more valuable for the draft pick he could be traded for than as a potential player for the Patriots next year. Along with his dominance at the position is the very real prospect that he becomes a problem in the lockerroom. The latter is increasing. I'd really like to see Bill nip this thing in the bud.
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Are there rumblings? I feel if Gronk is sent packing, though, the domino effect would basically be a reboot of the franchise. At 62 years old, is Brady going to want to start over with a new line, a new set of receivers, and a new "go-to" guy (even if that guy only plays half the time anyway?).
Giselle Ono might have something to say about all that, too.
(Not suggesting any of this is right, or that Bill cares - I don't think he does - but it's just food for thought.)
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Some rumors of a 4 team draft day trade came up on local sports radio today with the Giants moving back and the Bills moving into 2. I don't know if I believe it or not, but I will be kind of upset if the Giants move out of #2. It's the lowest they have gotten to pick in my life (which is a pretty good thing really) but I want to see them get a big time player (either Barkley or a future QB).
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Are there rumblings? I feel if Gronk is sent packing, though, the domino effect would basically be a reboot of the franchise. At 62 years old, is Brady going to want to start over with a new line, a new set of receivers, and a new "go-to" guy (even if that guy only plays half the time anyway?).
Giselle Ono might have something to say about all that, too.
(Not suggesting any of this is right, or that Bill cares - I don't think he does - but it's just food for thought.)
No rumblings of a trade. Plenty that he's a malcontent and essentially rocking the boat insofar as the patriot way goes. And the latter part about Brady and the reboot is why there isn't more talk about the trade. I don't think he'd respond favorably to it which is why I'm so disappointed they had to unload Garopollo. Honestly, it's time to move on from TB, as well.
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At 62 years old, is Brady going to want to start over with a new line, a new set of receivers,
Brady is playing another 20 years?? Wow!!
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It's hard tomoveokn from a QB who had an MVP year for the owner. The one thing that Brady has proven over the years is that he has been durable. Something Jimmy G. did not show and couldn't fight through the plain to play like Brady has shown throughout his career.
Gronk, and this is my take is pissed because the contract he signed is based on staying on the field. Once BB got rid of Gurerro on the Patriots premises and game day, Gronk now looks that as a shot since he believes that Gurerro keeps him on the field. Hence the revolt.
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tomoveokn
I haven't played the newer Street Fighter games, but can only assume that's one of the new moves.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/streetfighter/images/1/1e/Ryu-hadoken-artwork.png/revision/latest?cb=20100709171559)
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It's hard tomoveokn from a QB who had an MVP year for the owner. The one thing that Brady has proven over the years is that he has been durable. Something Jimmy G. did not show and couldn't fight through the plain to play like Brady has shown throughout his career.
Gronk, and this is my take is pissed because the contract he signed is based on staying on the field. Once BB got rid of Gurerro on the Patriots premises and game day, Gronk now looks that as a shot since he believes that Gurerro keeps him on the field. Hence the revolt.
If your second paragraph is true, it does absolutely nothing to dissuade me from thinking Gronk's a malcontent and it's time to move on. The reasons for his acting out don't concern me.
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It's hard tomoveokn from a QB who had an MVP year for the owner. The one thing that Brady has proven over the years is that he has been durable. Something Jimmy G. did not show and couldn't fight through the plain to play like Brady has shown throughout his career.
Gronk, and this is my take is pissed because the contract he signed is based on staying on the field. Once BB got rid of Gurerro on the Patriots premises and game day, Gronk now looks that as a shot since he believes that Gurerro keeps him on the field. Hence the revolt.
To be fair, Garoppolo wasn't hurt. He was injured. A grade two AC injury/torn ligament in his throwing shoulder, which typically requires a 2-4 week recovery. No way they were going to march him on the field 4 days later to play the Texans, and no way they were going to play him after he recovered, because Brady's suspension was up.
It will be very interesting to see how Jimmy G fares in his first legitimate full season as a starting NFL QB. The front end of the 49ers schedule is brutal...so I for one am not passing judgment if they struggle in the early-going.
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I'm pretty curious about how JG does, as well. I suspect he'll be good-very good, but I don't expect greatness. My hunch is that a good chunk of his success at the end of last year came from energizing a team that had been falling apart for years. We'll see if it continues. I'm really rooting for him, though.
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^That's about where I am as well. Just kind of in "wait and see" mode.
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It's hard tomoveokn from a QB who had an MVP year for the owner. The one thing that Brady has proven over the years is that he has been durable. Something Jimmy G. did not show and couldn't fight through the plain to play like Brady has shown throughout his career.
Gronk, and this is my take is pissed because the contract he signed is based on staying on the field. Once BB got rid of Gurerro on the Patriots premises and game day, Gronk now looks that as a shot since he believes that Gurerro keeps him on the field. Hence the revolt.
To be fair, Garoppolo wasn't hurt. He was injured. A grade two AC injury/torn ligament in his throwing shoulder, which typically requires a 2-4 week recovery. No way they were going to march him on the field 4 days later to play the Texans, and no way they were going to play him after he recovered, because Brady's suspension was up.
It will be very interesting to see how Jimmy G fares in his first legitimate full season as a starting NFL QB. The front end of the 49ers schedule is brutal...so I for one am not passing judgment if they struggle in the early-going.
Brady has played through those before. Leaders do. Jimmy isonhis way no doubt. Can he avoid those kind of hits and absorb them in a way to be on the field? That is the question.
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Brady played through a grade two AC injury/torn ligament in his throwing shoulder?
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It's hard tomoveokn from a QB who had an MVP year for the owner. The one thing that Brady has proven over the years is that he has been durable. Something Jimmy G. did not show and couldn't fight through the plain to play like Brady has shown throughout his career.
Gronk, and this is my take is pissed because the contract he signed is based on staying on the field. Once BB got rid of Gurerro on the Patriots premises and game day, Gronk now looks that as a shot since he believes that Gurerro keeps him on the field. Hence the revolt.
To be fair, Garoppolo wasn't hurt. He was injured. A grade two AC injury/torn ligament in his throwing shoulder, which typically requires a 2-4 week recovery. No way they were going to march him on the field 4 days later to play the Texans, and no way they were going to play him after he recovered, because Brady's suspension was up.
It will be very interesting to see how Jimmy G fares in his first legitimate full season as a starting NFL QB. The front end of the 49ers schedule is brutal...so I for one am not passing judgment if they struggle in the early-going.
Brady has played through those before. Leaders do. Jimmy isonhis way no doubt. Can he avoid those kind of hits and absorb them in a way to be on the field? That is the question.
But every player handles different injurys in different ways. Philip Rivers played an entire game with a torn ACL while Brady couldn’t, but is anyone gonna honestly say that they would rather have Rivers than Brady? Also, most of the time it’s a coaches decision whether or not a guy plays with an injury.
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Brady played through a grade two AC injury/torn ligament in his throwing shoulder?
Yes he has.
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It's hard tomoveokn from a QB who had an MVP year for the owner. The one thing that Brady has proven over the years is that he has been durable. Something Jimmy G. did not show and couldn't fight through the plain to play like Brady has shown throughout his career.
Gronk, and this is my take is pissed because the contract he signed is based on staying on the field. Once BB got rid of Gurerro on the Patriots premises and game day, Gronk now looks that as a shot since he believes that Gurerro keeps him on the field. Hence the revolt.
To be fair, Garoppolo wasn't hurt. He was injured. A grade two AC injury/torn ligament in his throwing shoulder, which typically requires a 2-4 week recovery. No way they were going to march him on the field 4 days later to play the Texans, and no way they were going to play him after he recovered, because Brady's suspension was up.
It will be very interesting to see how Jimmy G fares in his first legitimate full season as a starting NFL QB. The front end of the 49ers schedule is brutal...so I for one am not passing judgment if they struggle in the early-going.
Brady has played through those before. Leaders do. Jimmy isonhis way no doubt. Can he avoid those kind of hits and absorb them in a way to be on the field? That is the question.
But every player handles different injurys in different ways. Philip Rivers played an entire game with a torn ACL while Brady couldn’t, but is anyone gonna honestly say that they would rather have Rivers than Brady? Also, most of the time it’s a coaches decision whether or not a guy plays with an injury.
One game. Big difference. I was at that game. He was amazing. Changed my application fo or Rivers that day.
If Rivers gets that injury in game one of the season he shutout down.
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Can't wait for Thursday. As a Jets fan, I want Mayfield. But we'll see what happens.
The Browns scenario is interesting. One theory I heard recently was that they would pick Barkley with 1, and Chubb with 4, and then trade back up into the mid-first round and take Lamar Jackson. At first I was confused by that, but it now would make sense, if they can secure a high enough third first rounder. You have to figure with Tyrod Taylor starting, they are going to run a system that takes advantage of a QB's mobility a little bit. Well, if you take Jackson, then you pretty much have exactly what you need, and he can sit for year (if needed) and see how the system works with a veteran QB.
Now, I don't think that's going to happen, I think the Browns are going to take Darnold with the first pick, and probably Chubb with 4, if Barkley is off the board. However, it would not surprise me if the Browns did indeed go the Barkley, Chubb, trade up get Jackson route.
My best guest though the top-6:
Browns - Darnold
Giants - Barkley
Jets - Mayfield
Browns - Chubb
Broncos - Josh Allen
Colts - Rosen (if they go QB, it means Luck's injury is more career threatening then we think)
I think Lamar Jackson (if the above scenario with the Browns does not happen) will go #11 to the Dolphins (assuming no trades). I don't think he is going to last long.
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I don't watch any college football so as to have my own opinion on various prospects, but from what I've read I'll be varying amounts of happy with the Jets taking any of the top QB prospects aside from Josh Allen.
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Can't wait for Thursday. As a Jets fan, I want Mayfield. But we'll see what happens.
The Browns scenario is interesting. One theory I heard recently was that they would pick Barkley with 1, and Chubb with 4, and then trade back up into the mid-first round and take Lamar Jackson. At first I was confused by that, but it now would make sense, if they can secure a high enough third first rounder. You have to figure with Tyrod Taylor starting, they are going to run a system that takes advantage of a QB's mobility a little bit. Well, if you take Jackson, then you pretty much have exactly what you need, and he can sit for year (if needed) and see how the system works with a veteran QB.
Now, I don't think that's going to happen, I think the Browns are going to take Darnold with the first pick, and probably Chubb with 4, if Barkley is off the board. However, it would not surprise me if the Browns did indeed go the Barkley, Chubb, trade up get Jackson route.
My best guest though the top-6:
Browns - Darnold
Giants - Barkley
Jets - Mayfield
Browns - Chubb
Broncos - Josh Allen
Colts - Rosen (if they go QB, it means Luck's injury is more career threatening then we think)
I think Lamar Jackson (if the above scenario with the Browns does not happen) will go #11 to the Dolphins (assuming no trades). I don't think he is going to last long.
I think the Browns have an underated QB in Taylor and they don't have to take one of these QBs. They should take the best player. Period. And that would be Barkley and Chubb. There is so much risk at taking a QB #1. But it's the Browns so I'm sure they'll make a stupid decision.
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Can't wait for Thursday. As a Jets fan, I want Mayfield. But we'll see what happens.
The Browns scenario is interesting. One theory I heard recently was that they would pick Barkley with 1, and Chubb with 4, and then trade back up into the mid-first round and take Lamar Jackson. At first I was confused by that, but it now would make sense, if they can secure a high enough third first rounder. You have to figure with Tyrod Taylor starting, they are going to run a system that takes advantage of a QB's mobility a little bit. Well, if you take Jackson, then you pretty much have exactly what you need, and he can sit for year (if needed) and see how the system works with a veteran QB.
Now, I don't think that's going to happen, I think the Browns are going to take Darnold with the first pick, and probably Chubb with 4, if Barkley is off the board. However, it would not surprise me if the Browns did indeed go the Barkley, Chubb, trade up get Jackson route.
My best guest though the top-6:
Browns - Darnold
Giants - Barkley
Jets - Mayfield
Browns - Chubb
Broncos - Josh Allen
Colts - Rosen (if they go QB, it means Luck's injury is more career threatening then we think)
I think Lamar Jackson (if the above scenario with the Browns does not happen) will go #11 to the Dolphins (assuming no trades). I don't think he is going to last long.
I think the Browns have an underated QB in Taylor and they don't have to take one of these QBs. They should take the best player. Period. And that would be Barkley and Chubb. There is so much risk at taking a QB #1. But it's the Browns so I'm sure they'll make a stupid decision.
As a Chiefs fan, you should know that with John Dorsey at the helm, this won't be the same old Browns.
He's made some great picks during his time at KC.... a few misses of course, but that happens.
https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Bolt/Every-selection-John-Dorsey-made-in-the-NFL-Draft-112328382
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Good point, should be interesting first day.
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The first night of the draft is must see TV for me. Eagles don't pick until 32nd (barring any trades), but still.... love seeing the emotion of guys who are realizing their dream of being drafted to an NFL team. Always interesting to see where the QBs wind up. I'll never forget watching Rodgers in the green room for 4+ hours in 2005.
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Apparently someone unearthed some racists tweets posted by Josh Allen years ago. Amazing how these sort of things seem to get released so close to the draft. I'll never forget when Tunsill's gas mask video got posted soon before the Ravens were on the clock with a Left Tackle in mind.
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Apparently someone unearthed some racists tweets posted by Josh Allen years ago. Amazing how these sort of things seem to get released so close to the draft. I'll never forget when Tunsill's gas mask video got posted soon before the Ravens were on the clock with a Left Tackle in mind.
Yea, someone found that and waited until today. I didn't see the tweets and local radio kind of just pushed it aside as some old high school garbage and the guy really isn't a racist so shouldn't be a big deal.... but damn, social media coming to bite people in the ass again on their biggest day. Hopefully kids are taking note.
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Crossing fingers the Jets get to take Baker Mayfield. Or if the Browns do indeed grab him with #1, that the Giants don't pull the trigger on Darnold. I am fine with either of those two on the Jets, but don't really feel the same about Rosen or Allen.
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The draft is almost underway. Very excited!
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Sam Darnold might catch a major break by not getting drafted by the trainwreck that is the Browns.
I will LOL if the Browns take Mayfield 1st, which is the rumor.
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Sam Darnold might catch a major break by not getting drafted by the trainwreck that is the Browns.
I will LOL if the Browns take Mayfield 1st, which is the rumor.
I think the Mayfield rumor is just smoke.
And Cleveland is no longer a Trainwreck. Dorsey is righting the ship.
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Another warm welcome for the Commish
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lol at the booing, non stop booing for Goodell :lol
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I'm thinking Darnold is the pick. He can sit behind Tyrod for a year.
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Wow
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Browns gonna Brown.
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YES!!! :metal :metal
Love the crowd reaction for that pick too
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Guess they believe in Davis Webb.
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Guess they believe in Davis Webb.
You know they don't, they are in win now mode and went with the best available which traditionally Giants do in first round. But also, RB was a huge need. Either way, I didn't personally love Darnold, but wouldn't of been mad if they invested more so in the future. I'm a PSU alum and diehard fan, so seeing my favorite player the last two years now on my favorite NFL team is like a dream come true. I am totally biased here.
Anyway, I shared this box score to my friends earlier
PSU vs USC Rose Bowl 2017 (https://www.espn.com/college-football/matchup?gameId=400876111)
Great game (even for a loss for my team, I can admit this is classic) and look at those gaudy stats between Darnold and Barkley. Both should do well in the NFL.
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Crossing fingers the Jets get to take Baker Mayfield. Or if the Browns do indeed grab him with #1, that the Giants don't pull the trigger on Darnold. I am fine with either of those two on the Jets, but don't really feel the same about Rosen or Allen.
That worked out well. I would have been OK with Rosen, but definitely had DO NOT WANT stamped all over Allen.
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Barkley was 1000000% the right pick. We've seen what Gurley, Fournette and of course Bell have meant to their teams. And the Giants have had a close look of how Zeke has impacted the Cowboys. So now the catch is to build a line. Hopefully Solder has some left in the tank.
Mayfield will be up for the challenge. He's made a living proving people wrong. And he may prove to be more Russell Wilson than Johnny Manziel. We shall see.
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Guess they believe in Davis Webb.
You know they don't, they are in win now mode and went with the best available which traditionally Giants do in first round. But also, RB was a huge need. Either way, I didn't personally love Darnold, but wouldn't of been mad if they invested more so in the future. I'm a PSU alum and diehard fan, so seeing my favorite player the last two years now on my favorite NFL team is like a dream come true. I am totally biased here.
Anyway, I shared this box score to my friends earlier
PSU vs USC Rose Bowl 2017 (https://www.espn.com/college-football/matchup?gameId=400876111)
Great game (even for a loss for my team, I can admit this is classic) and look at those gaudy stats between Darnold and Barkley. Both should do well in the NFL.
In the short term I'm definitely pumped. I guess I shouldn't worry about 2-3 years down the line until we get there.
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Love getting Chubb at 5. If he is what he is expected to be, you have Chubb coming from one side and Von Miller from the other.
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Bills gave up a lot to get a QB who apparently has accuracy issues. Good luck with that.
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Love getting a Chubb at 5. If he is what he is expected to be, you have Chubb coming from one side and Von Miller from the other.
:lol
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Love getting a Chubb at 5. If he is what he is expected to be, you have Chubb coming from one side and Von Miller from the other.
:lol
Eww.
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Vea would have been perfect for the Raiders, dammit. Big local dude.
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Packers moved down 4 spots giving up a 3rd and picking up a 2019 1st and still got who they wanted.
Can't be to disappointed in that.
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Looks like the Seahawks got a decent RB.
Btw, the Jags hyped new uniforms were a let down. They got rid of the two tone helmet, but the jerseys are basically practice jerseys. :\
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Looks like the Seahawks got a decent RB.
Yeah....but who’s going to block for him? :-\
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Like that Howie traded out of the first. There were a lot of reaches in round one, so there will be value in a lot of these 2nd and 3rd day picks.
Entertaining 1st round overall... bookended with Heisman Winners.
Jones and Ridley is going to be an insane duo at WR for Atlanta.
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Guess they believe in Davis Webb.
As a Giants fan I would have been upset if Barkley was available and they didn’t take him. The Giants have not had a good running game for several years, and they picked a guy who is a sure thing IMO. The only thing that worries me is that I think Eli has two years left, maybe three if we are lucky, and at that point they might have trouble finding a franchise QB. Webb is not the answer, the Giants clearly showed what they think of him last year when they sat Eli and Webb wasn’t even dressed for the game. Maybe Eli can mentor him over the next couple of years, but I just don’t see it.
Still shocked the Browns took Mayfield and I have to think if they took Barkley with the first pick that they still could have taken Mayfield with the forth pick as I just can’t imagine the Giants would have taken Mayfield, but who knows. I’m personally glad it worked out the way it did.
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My thoughts on last night...
The Browns are clowns. You knew they would pick Mayfield because they love a good train wreck. I have no faith in Baker Mayfield as a person and certainly not as a savior for the armpit franchise of the NFL.
The Giants are kind of stupid because if you are not going to pick a QB at 2 you bluff with the Jets to make them think you are taking the guy they want. The Jets wanted Darnold bad, they would have forked up something to the Gmen in fear they would take him. Trade down to the 3 spot, get something from the Jets and still get the guy you want. How did they not do that?
and I don't think for a second the Giants believe Davis Webb is the future.
Finally as a Broncos fan I'm thrilled with getting Chubb! Chubb and Von Miller will wreak havoc! Great pick by Denver!
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Still shocked the Browns took Mayfield and I have to think if they took Barkley with the first pick that they still could have taken Mayfield with the forth pick as I just can’t imagine the Giants would have taken Mayfield, but who knows. I’m personally glad it worked out the way it did.
From what I heard this morning, the Giants never considered Mayfield
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Love getting Chubb at 5. If he is what he is expected to be, you have Chubb coming from one side and Von Miller from the other.
I'm excited about the Chubb pick too, I really think he's the best player Denver could've taken in this draft to help them win now. Not sure if you saw the Miller reaction video to Chubb being selected, but he's pretty excited about the pick too :lol
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Browns gonna Brown.
My only reaction to last night. Spot on Kev :lol
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As a chargers fan i'm not happy about the chubb pick. thats going to be rough. I'm am very happy about Derwin James though!
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Wow.... Rosen already stirring shit up. Gonna be happy to introduce him to Donald, Suh, and Brockers! :biggrin:
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I'm kind of with Tick on that Giants pick. Running back has proven - even with the Giants! - to not be a first round, or if you must, a first-half of first round - pick. They don't have long enough careers, they get hurt too easily, and are too often used as part of a scheme rather than an every-down player. At that spot, you take the best long-term play you can, and that includes 3 or 5 draft picks further down from someone like the Jets, who are desperate.
That was a "WWJJD?"* moment right there, not a "WWBBD?"** moment.
* What would Jerry Jones do?
** What would Bill Belichick do?
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I don't follow the draft closely. Never have. It's just not very interesting to me, especially since I don't really follow college, so I don't know the players. I mean, I'll take a look and see what positions some teams have picked up. But I don't follow it live.
So, forgive my ignorance on this--I'm sure there is a simple explanation. But my question is: How do they get jerseys together so quickly? I mean, team X goes on the clock, and a couple minutes later, they pick Johnny QB, and then a couple of minutes later, Johnny QB is up onstage posing for the cameras with a team jersey with his name on it. How does that even happen? Do teams come up with their realistic top 10 picks and pre-print 10 jerseys or something?
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This article explains it: https://triblive.com/local/regional/13572437-74/masontown-company-works-behind-the-scenes-to-speed-print-jerseys-at-nfl-draft
[/When the Pittsburgh Steelers drafted T.J. Watt last year in Philadelphia, another Western Pennsylvania team was watching the clock.
In the minutes between when the team made their pick from the “war room” and when NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell announced Watt to the crowd, people in a small room behind the scenes grabbed Watt's name from a folder of all the draftees, stamped it onto a Steelers jersey and hustled it to the stage so it could be presented. Then the clock restarted as the next team made their pick.
For seven years, the mad dash to custom-print new players' jerseys for the NFL draft has been handed off to the team from Stahls' Decorating Fulfillment Center in Masontown, Fayette County.
They will be there again for Thursday's NFL Draft in Arlington, Texas, with 256 jerseys, names of the top draftees in 1,400 different combinations to cover each player in every team's fonts and colors, and two of the heat-transfer presses the company also manufactures in Pennsylvania.
“We have two minutes, max,” said Lisa Leone, Stahls' client services director, who has attended several drafts.
But weeks of research and prep work lead up to those two frantic minutes, as staff at the Masontown facility prepare the Nike jerseys by sewing numbers and blank nameplates onto the back and pre-print all the names for each team's thick folder of potential players.
“One or two guys did two or three weeks solid just gathering all the files and cutting all the letters,” production manager Jon Stange said.
The folders then get laid out in the teams' first-round order within Stahls' tiny workspace behind the scenes at the draft — typically only about 100 square feet, Leone said — along with racks of the jerseys. As each team makes its selection, they can pick the right name and font from the folder and use the press to heat-transfer it to a jersey in about 10 seconds.
“Once you've done all the work to this point, it's all about selecting the right components,” said Josh Ellsworth, Stahls' vice president of dealer sales. “The machine does all the work.”
The exception is the rare occasion when a player expected to go in a later round of the draft gets a surprise bump to the first round, leaving the Stahls' team to frantically cut and reassemble letters from other players' names, Ellsworth said.
The team makes three jerseys for each pick — one for the announcement that's handed to the player, a second that's given away to a fan, and a third that's sent to the NFL's trading-card company to be sliced up and mounted on special cards. They bring eight blank jerseys for each team — they once ran short a few years ago after some trades and had to swipe a jersey from a display case, Stange said.
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:tup
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I'm kind of with Tick on that Giants pick. Running back has proven - even with the Giants! - to not be a first round, or if you must, a first-half of first round - pick. They don't have long enough careers, they get hurt too easily, and are too often used as part of a scheme rather than an every-down player. At that spot, you take the best long-term play you can, and that includes 3 or 5 draft picks further down from someone like the Jets, who are desperate.
That was a "WWJJD?"* moment right there, not a "WWBBD?"** moment.
* What would Jerry Jones do?
** What would Bill Belichick do?
#1 prospect of the class by many of the scouts. So he's definitely viewed as a long term player with out of the world talent. Also, he is great at receiving and special teams (though I can't see them putting him on kick offs, he's too valuable, but maybe on an important need to come back end of season situation). I'll concede that RBs over the last 10 years have gone down in value and one could definitely win an argument saying a QB is better long term value from this draft position. But to put that as a JJ pick is totally undervaluing the talent in this case. Especially when BB took a RB in the first round too.
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Gurley, Zeke and Fournette have proven the value of taking a RB high if he has all world talent, which is what Barkley seems to possess.
But to play the devil's advocate, when is the last time a RB taken in the top 10 helped his team win a Super Bowl?
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Gurley, Zeke and Fournette have proven the value of taking a RB high if he has all world talent, which is what Barkley seems to possess.
But to play the devil's advocate, when is the last time a RB taken in the top 10 helped his team win a Super Bowl?
Shit, when was the last time a PSU running back had ANY success in the NFL? :lol There's no doubt there's more value at a QB than RB, but RB is a need today. The Giants feel they have a QB for a couple more years. I'm on the fence about that. Eli is not the reason the Giants were garbage last year, but regardless, he is old and at the end of his career. If the Giants draft an OL today and with Solder, they are upgraded where they needed it most and have all the skill to be explosive. Will it come together? Well nothing is guaranteed in the NFL, including the 5 QBs drafted last night.
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Gurley, Zeke and Fournette have proven the value of taking a RB high if he has all world talent, which is what Barkley seems to possess.
But to play the devil's advocate, when is the last time a RB taken in the top 10 helped his team win a Super Bowl?
Shit, when was the last time a PSU running back had ANY success in the NFL? :lol There's no doubt there's more value at a QB than RB, but RB is a need today. The Giants feel they have a QB for a couple more years. I'm on the fence about that. Eli is not the reason the Giants were garbage last year, but regardless, he is old and at the end of his career. If the Giants draft an OL today and with Solder, they are upgraded where they needed it most and have all the skill to be explosive. Will it come together? Well nothing is guaranteed in the NFL, including the 5 QBs drafted last night.
I personally believe that the Giants made the correct call. I think guys like Gurley, Zeke and Fournette have proven to be worth the investment. As you've pointed out, they got some help for the line, and if they can get some more tonight or tomorrow, they could be right back to being good next year. And I still believe that NY is going to wind up being Dez Bryant's landing spot, even if it's on a 1 year "prove it" deal.
And as you've said before.... it is awesome to have your favorite college player drafted to your favorite NFL team. So I'm happy for you that it played out that way.
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Yeah if I was the Browns and I really wanted Baker (*shudders*) I would have taken Barkley first and then taken Baker 4th cause he probably still would have been there. The Browns have a good o-line, Barkley would have been a HUGE asset for them.
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And as you've said before.... it is awesome to have your favorite college player drafted to your favorite NFL team. So I'm happy for you that it played out that way.
I'm clearly a bit biased here as I mentioned so my fanboism is just gushing blue today. I'm wearing my PSU big 10 champs tshirt too. I feel like a kid getting candy and am definitely on the market for a #26 Giants jersey. I think regardless, I'd be happy with the pick though even if I wasn't a die hard PSU fan. I would have been happy with a QB or Chubb too if they went that direction. The Giants aren't the Browns and I had confidence they wouldn't fuck this up.
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Yeah if I was the Browns and I really wanted Baker (*shudders*) I would have taken Barkley first and then taken Baker 4th cause he probably still would have been there. The Browns have a good o-line, Barkley would have been a HUGE asset for them.
Exactly. I couldn't figure out why they didn't do that, other than they simply didn't have the cojones. Seemed pretty obvious to me.
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And as you've said before.... it is awesome to have your favorite college player drafted to your favorite NFL team. So I'm happy for you that it played out that way.
I'm clearly a bit biased here as I mentioned so my fanboism is just gushing blue today. I'm wearing my PSU big 10 champs tshirt too. I feel like a kid getting candy and am definitely on the market for a #26 Giants jersey. I think regardless, I'd be happy with the pick though even if I wasn't a die hard PSU fan. I would have been happy with a QB or Chubb too if they went that direction. The Giants aren't the Browns and I had confidence they wouldn't fuck this up.
Yeah, the Giants are not frequent shoppers in the Top 5 express for good reason. But really they could do no wrong. Barkley, Chubb or one of the top rated O-Linemen would have been fine.
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Yeah if I was the Browns and I really wanted Baker (*shudders*) I would have taken Barkley first and then taken Baker 4th cause he probably still would have been there. The Browns have a good o-line, Barkley would have been a HUGE asset for them.
Exactly. I couldn't figure out why they didn't do that, other than they simply didn't have the cojones. Seemed pretty obvious to me.
Yup
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I disagree.
If Dorsey's evaluations let him to believe that Mayfield was the best QB, then he did the right thing. No telling if the Jets preferred Mayfield over Darnold. Not worth the risk.
As for the cornerback. The position is a huge need for the team, and Dorsey gets credit for drafting Marcus Peters a few years ago. If he saw similar talent in Ward, the yes. Right call.
Running back was not a position of need for Cleveland, not with Hyde and Johnson Jr.. And even if it were, plenty of good RBs still available in day 2 and 3.
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I disagree.
If Dorsey's evaluations let him to believe that Mayfield was the best QB, then he did the right thing. No telling if the Jets preferred Mayfield over Darnold. Not worth the risk.
As for the cornerback. The position is a huge need for the team, and Dorsey gets credit for drafting Marcus Peters a few years ago. If he saw similar talent in Ward, the yes. Right call.
Running back was not a position of need for Cleveland, not with Hyde and Johnson Jr.. And even if it were, plenty of good RBs still available in day 2 and 3.
So, basically...
Exactly. I couldn't figure out why they didn't do that, other than they simply didn't have the cojones. Seemed pretty obvious to me.
For the record, I think Mayfield will be a flop regardless of whether he was the first, second, third, forth, whatever pick.
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Only the Browns can have so many opportunities to get first choice of top talent from College and continue to make mind boggling decisions. I don't know if Mayfield will pan out or not, I'm leaning not, but in my opinion you pick the best player available unless you have zero need for that position. They have proven to be absolutely unable to pick a solid NFL caliber QB so why not not take the best Defensive player in the draft (Chubb) or best offensive player in the draft (Barkley)? I get that this was a QB heavy draft but NONE of these guys for sure franchise QBs. Pick the players you know can make your team better day one and either wait for late rounder QB or play the free agency market. It must truly be maddening to be a Browns fan.
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Jason Witten has announced his retirement. Dude's been a helluva player for 15 years. Off to the greener pastures of a broadcast booth.
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Jason Witten has announced his retirement. Dude's been a helluva player for 15 years. Off to the greener pastures of a broadcast booth.
Great news as a Giants fan. Guy was a beast who consistently pissed me off with his great playing. He had a fantastic career.
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Jason Witten has announced his retirement. Dude's been a helluva player for 15 years. Off to the greener pastures of a broadcast booth.
Great news as a Giants fan. Guy was a beast who consistently pissed me off with his great playing. He had a fantastic career.
LOL. Apparently your Philadelphia compatriots feel the same way:
Jason Witten retires after 100 years in the NFL to join Monday Night Football, report says
Hard to believe this day has finally come.
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:lol it does feel like he's been terrorizing us for a 100 years. I forgot what life was like without him
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Darnold. My second choice (I wanted Baker Mayfield). But I'm absolutely thrilled, regardless. :tup
:hat
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Darnold. My second choice (I wanted Baker Mayfield). But I'm absolutely thrilled, regardless. :tup
:hat
It's going to be a fun next 5 years or hopefully more for both the Giants and Jets. You know there will always be comparisons and the question of whether or not the Giants should have taken Darnold. We'll find out in a few years, but that discussion will last a lifetime
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The Eagles just owned the Cowboys, and it was glorious.
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Interesting article on 538 about drafting Barkley at #2 overall (written before the draft).
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/heres-why-drafting-saquon-barkley-could-be-a-mistake/
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The Eagles just owned the Cowboys, and it was glorious.
David Akers is now a legend in Philly. That was savage, and I loved it. :metal :metal
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The Eagles just owned the Cowboys, and it was glorious.
David Akers is now a legend in Philly. That was savage, and I loved it. :metal :metal
Yeah, I admire the man's enthusiasm. It's been done before, Drew Pearson did it last year, but they picked the right man for the job who'd go out and enjoy every second of it. Good job.
Of course the problem is that while he's doing it he's standing directly under this (https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsaturdayblitz.com%2Ffiles%2F2013%2F03%2F6612046.jpg&c=sc&w=850&h=560).
The Cowboys don't hang division and conference championship banners.
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Witten to the MNF broadcast booth has been made official. This means that there is a former Dallas Cowboy on 3 of the 4 networks' number 1 teams.
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Witten to the MNF broadcast booth has been made official. This means that there is a former Dallas Cowboy on 3 of the 4 networks' number 1 teams.
merica's team
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The media's love and infatuation with anything Dallas Cowboys is why Witten will probably make the Hall of Fame right away, instead of being a borderline guy, which is what he is.
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I thought this was funny. Love the Ghost pic and reference.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/twitter-roasts-brady-for-met-gala-outfit/ar-AAwV0IT?li=BBnba9I
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I thought this was funny. Love the Ghost pic and reference.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/twitter-roasts-brady-for-met-gala-outfit/ar-AAwV0IT?li=BBnba9I
How could it be the "Met Gala" without Benny Agbayani?
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Mark Ingram suspended for the first four games of the season. Hopefully Kamara doesn't get hurt trying to do too much during that stretch.
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The media's love and infatuation with anything Dallas Cowboys is why Witten will probably make the Hall of Fame right away, instead of being a borderline guy, which is what he is.
Uh oh! Skip Bayless just went rogue and hacked Kev's account. :rollin
I can't believe you're really saying that about one of the best TE's to ever play the game. You're punkin' on him just cause he played for Dallas. Pretty weak. JW is a HoF caliber guy even if he was playing for the Browns. Plus, he's one of the most likable guys in the league, so your media comment makes no sense either.
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The media's love and infatuation with anything Dallas Cowboys is why Witten will probably make the Hall of Fame right away, instead of being a borderline guy, which is what he is.
Borderline?
Who's better?
Witten is #2 among tight ends (behind ToGo) on the all time receptions and receiving yards lists and #5 (behind ToGo, Gates, Gronk and Graham) on the touchdown receptions list (and he's 4th all time in receptions regardless of position). In 15 NFL seasons, he was an 11 time Pro Bowler and was a first or second team All-Pro four times. If those aren't HoF credentials, I don't know what are.
The tight ends currently in the HoF are Dave Casper, Mike Ditka, John Mackey, Ozzie Newsome, Charlie Sanders, Shannon Sharpe, Jackie Smith and Kellen Winslow. The careers of Ditka, Mackey, Sanders and Smith were over (or almost over) before I started following football, but Witten's career is unquestionably favorable in comparison to those of Casper, Newsome, Sharpe and Winslow.
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He never won anything, I think that's why he's borderline, but makes the cut IMO.
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You can't compare stats from tight ends across generations, considering how much passing numbers have gone up in the last 20 years.
I don't put stock in pro bowls made, so let's focus on just the All-Pro selections. Witten was first or second All-Pro four times in 15 years. That's it? In the last 15 years, that puts him behind Tony Gonzalez, Gronk and Antonio Gates.
68 touchdown catches in 15 years? Sorry, but a TE averaging less than 5 touchdowns a season is not a no-brain HOFer in my book. Sure, he had a lot of catches, but that says more about his durability than anything else.
He is kind of like the TE equivalent of Jerome Bettis: a compiler who put up really good numbers overall because he played for so long, but was never really in the "best in the league" conversation.
Like I said, I think he is a borderline guy and I'd probably put him in eventually, but this talk of him being a first ballot guy just doesn't make sense, to me anyway. I could be wrong. :biggrin: :lol
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Like I said, I think he is a borderline guy and I'd probably put him in eventually, but this talk of him being a first ballot guy just doesn't make sense, to me anyway. I could be wrong. :biggrin: :lol
I think you are, as was said, dumping on him for playing for the Cowboys, but at the end of the day I think isn't too far off the mark. The question isn't whether or not he gets in, he does, but whether he deserves to get in on his first shot. I suspect he doesn't.
And as we saw from some of the comments here, ask people from NY and Phi what they think of the guy. He might not have put up Gonzalez numbers, but he definitely won games for his team.
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Kinda with Kev on this one. I'm also stealing that word "compiler". You see that in baseball. I feel like Cal Ripken, Jr. is the paradigm of a "compiler".
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There are only Hall of Famers. There's no distinction between a "first ballot" guy and someone who took a while to get in.
He certainly wasn't the best tight end ever and maybe was never the best tight end any year he played, but dude is unquestionably a HoF'er. The fact that he played at the same time as four other guys who are also HoF'ers doesn't change that.
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There are only Hall of Famers. There's no distinction between a "first ballot" guy and someone who took a while to get in.
He certainly wasn't the best tight end ever and maybe was never the best tight end any year he played, but dude is unquestionably a HoF'er. The fact that he played at the same time as four other guys who are also HoF'ers doesn't change that.
I read an article about this very thing last week. Among the voting members there's a very solid difference of opinion on that. To the tune of about 50/50. Some view it as you do. Others think there's a very specific honor to being first balloter and will vote accordingly to make you wait if they find you unworthy of that honor.
They're also split on Witten in that regard.
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Yeah, I'm with el Barto on this one (or at least his point). "First ballot" is a thing.
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I always thought first ballot meant a little higher honor than just HOF. To me, it means something. It means there was little to no doubt you were HOF worthy.
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It means some douche makes a conscious decision not to vote for a worthy candidate just because.
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It means some douche makes a conscious decision not to vote for a worthy candidate just because.
Yeah, in principle I'm inclined to agree. It should mean something to us, the outsiders. It shouldn't mean anything to the people who actually do the voting. "Here are 15 names. Pick five." The only exception I'd see is making somebody wait a year because they were a dick. TO and Charles Hayley both deserved to get in, I think everybody recognized that, but making them wait a bit didn't bother me to much under the circumstances.
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There are only Hall of Famers. There's no distinction between a "first ballot" guy and someone who took a while to get in.
He certainly wasn't the best tight end ever and maybe was never the best tight end any year he played, but dude is unquestionably a HoF'er. The fact that he played at the same time as four other guys who are also HoF'ers doesn't change that.
I read an article about this very thing last week. Among the voting members there's a very solid difference of opinion on that. To the tune of about 50/50. Some view it as you do. Others think there's a very specific honor to being first balloter and will vote accordingly to make you wait if they find you unworthy of that honor.
They're also split on Witten in that regard.
Well...I don't vote, so my take on it ultimately doesn't matter. I think it's probably also a little different in the NFL where I believe the number of persons one can vote for is severely restricted. Certainly, if you can only vote for seven players and there are ten eligible players one thinks are worthy, then some prioritizing needs to happen.
It means some douche makes a conscious decision not to vote for a worthy candidate just because.
This is the other side of the coin, if there are only six players that a given voter believes are worthy and that voter doesn't vote for Billy Joe Jim Bob because the voter doesn't think BJJB is a "first-ballot Hall of Famer," then I'd agree that the voter is being a dick.
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If Cam Newton married Todd Gurley, his new name would sound like the online handle of some 20 year old girl with her own pay site.
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If Cam Newton married Todd Gurley, his new name would sound like the online handle of some 20 year old girl with her own pay site.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hobbies
(I'm just kidding with you! :))
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Booger McFarland? Seriously? Why don't' they just pair him with Lewis Bile, Steven Smegma and Willie 'Dingle-berry' McNeil?
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23453136/cleveland-browns-nfl-playoff-wild-card-sleepers-2018
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Oh yay, the degenerates got their way and legalized gambling. Now instead of just worrying about the refs and the league being in on the fix I have to worry about the players keeping their integrity. There are gonna be offers too big to turn down.
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Oh yay, the degenerates got their way and legalized gambling. Now instead of just worrying about the refs and the league being in on the fix I have to worry about the players keeping their integrity. There are gonna be offers too big to turn down.
I've gone back and forth on this point. But honestly? I'm at the point now that I think if they were going to be on the take, they were already. That NBA ref? Remember him? Pete Rose? I have a friend who is a very big wig at a casino near me, and seeing how they operate, I can't help but thinking that the legalization is going to do more to drive out the kind of people that would shake down a player or ref than it is going to invite more of that. Why gamble with a guy running a book out of his car when you can stroll into Foxwoods Casino, have a meal at Cedar's Steakhouse and Oyster Bar, and put $500 on the Patriots to cover the spread Sunday.
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I'm not sure how much it changes things with regards to the professional players. The incentive has always been there and some have done it without legalization. I'm not really sure the incentive is that good for a player though. They already make a lot of money. I worry more about the collegiate level, but we'll see. I'm not going be upset unless this turns into a problem. Also labelling anyone who would want to gamble a degenerate is a bit rough. I'm not a gambler, but I have bet on a few games before when I was in Vegas. I don't think I am a degenerate. I could see myself doing the same if I go down to AC.
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I'm not sure how much it changes things with regards to the professional players. The incentive has always been there and some have done it without legalization. I'm not really sure the incentive is that good for a player though. They already make a lot of money. I worry more about the collegiate level, but we'll see. I'm not going be upset unless this turns into a problem. Also labelling anyone who would want to gamble a degenerate is a bit rough. I'm not a gambler, but I have bet on a few games before when I was in Vegas. I don't think I am a degenerate. I could see myself doing the same if I go down to AC.
Agreed. Aside from fantasy football, I have not bet on football since the late 90s, with the exception of one game (I bet $50 on NE over Seattle in the SB a few years back, it was a pick 'em), but I simply stopped betting because I would only bet $25-50 on a few games per week, and if I lost, I was bummed about losing x-amount of money, and if I won, the little money I won wasn't worth the stress. :lol :lol
Honestly, I think legalizing gambling will just make it easier for pre-existing gamblers to gamble. I doubt a lot of non-gamblers are suddenly going to turn into one.
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I would say a high percentage will not do it the legal way for tax purposes.
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I'm not sure how much it changes things with regards to the professional players. The incentive has always been there and some have done it without legalization. I'm not really sure the incentive is that good for a player though. They already make a lot of money. I worry more about the collegiate level, but we'll see. I'm not going be upset unless this turns into a problem. Also labelling anyone who would want to gamble a degenerate is a bit rough. I'm not a gambler, but I have bet on a few games before when I was in Vegas. I don't think I am a degenerate. I could see myself doing the same if I go down to AC.
Agreed. Aside from fantasy football, I have not bet on football since the late 90s, with the exception of one game (I bet $50 on NE over Seattle in the SB a few years back, it was a pick 'em), but I simply stopped betting because I would only bet $25-50 on a few games per week, and if I lost, I was bummed about losing x-amount of money, and if I won, the little money I won wasn't worth the stress. :lol :lol
I've twice gone to Vegas on football weekends where both the Giants and PSU played. My teams, and I bet on them and won both times. I should parlay that next time I am out there. I know people say don't bet on your teams, but I don't typically bet. It was more of a situation where I was going to watch those games anyway so putting some money while in Vegas just added a little bit more fun to the atmosphere. And I must say, the atmosphere in a sports book in a big casino on game day is quite fun. Either way, I definitely remember some guys in the area who I talked to and would probably think of as "degenerate gambler" but there were plenty of others just like myself having a one off good time experience.
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Some of the older football fans here might remember the Chargers run to the Super Bowl in 1994.
Well, in the divisional round, their game vs Miami was the last of the four, and since the home team won and covered the first three and all three games went over the totals, I decided to be clever and bet the road team (Miami +2), the under (45) and then parlay it as well.
Final score: Chargers 22, Miami 21
And Miami missed a long FG at the end that would have won it. I was yelling miss it at the TV like you wouldn't believe (since a 24-22 final would have killed both my under and parlay bets). :biggrin: :lol :lol
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So how much did you end up winning? :lol
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Some of the older football fans here might remember the Chargers run to the Super Bowl in 1994.
Well, in the divisional round, their game vs Miami was the last of the four, and since the home team won and covered the first three and all three games went over the totals, I decided to be clever and bet the road team (Miami +2), the under (45) and then parlay it as well.
Final score: Chargers 22, Miami 21
And Miami missed a long FG at the end that would have won it. I was yelling miss it at the TV like you wouldn't believe (since a 24-22 final would have killed both my under and parlay bets). :biggrin: :lol :lol
That's awesome! I remember the game, but was too young to appreciate it from a betting man's perspective.
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this is not the first time he's missed the first voluntary practices which is all about weight lifting goes against everything he does it is TB12 method. This is no surprise. When we get to the mandatory and they actually start throwing and he's not there, then I worry.
Phase three of the OTAs begins today, where O and D line up against each other and run some plays. This is when a QB gets to throw to his receivers and build some chemistry. Considering how important that chemistry is to Brady, not being there for this aspect is troubling. As great as he is he's not one that can just plug in a new receiver and start hitting him. Aside from the youngsters they've picked up, he's got Patterson, Britt, and Matthews, as well as Dorsette who he still hasn't really connected with. Dude should fucking well be there, mandatory or not. Team captain? Really?
God damn I wish they'd kept Garopollo. I'd really like to see this team moving forward, and it just doesn't seem to be happening.
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Some of the older football fans here might remember the Chargers run to the Super Bowl in 1994.
Well, in the divisional round, their game vs Miami was the last of the four, and since the home team won and covered the first three and all three games went over the totals, I decided to be clever and bet the road team (Miami +2), the under (45) and then parlay it as well.
Final score: Chargers 22, Miami 21
And Miami missed a long FG at the end that would have won it. I was yelling miss it at the TV like you wouldn't believe (since a 24-22 final would have killed both my under and parlay bets). :biggrin: :lol :lol
That's awesome! I remember the game, but was too young to appreciate it from a betting man's perspective.
DUDE i was at that game!! i was just a kid but that season and that game in particular made me a chargers fan for life!
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this is not the first time he's missed the first voluntary practices which is all about weight lifting goes against everything he does it is TB12 method. This is no surprise. When we get to the mandatory and they actually start throwing and he's not there, then I worry.
Phase three of the OTAs begins today, where O and D line up against each other and run some plays. This is when a QB gets to throw to his receivers and build some chemistry. Considering how important that chemistry is to Brady, not being there for this aspect is troubling. As great as he is he's not one that can just plug in a new receiver and start hitting him. Aside from the youngsters they've picked up, he's got Patterson, Britt, and Matthews, as well as Dorsette who he still hasn't really connected with. Dude should fucking well be there, mandatory or not. Team captain? Really?
God damn I wish they'd kept Garopollo. I'd really like to see this team moving forward, and it just doesn't seem to be happening.
I'm still not worried.
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this is not the first time he's missed the first voluntary practices which is all about weight lifting goes against everything he does it is TB12 method. This is no surprise. When we get to the mandatory and they actually start throwing and he's not there, then I worry.
Phase three of the OTAs begins today, where O and D line up against each other and run some plays. This is when a QB gets to throw to his receivers and build some chemistry. Considering how important that chemistry is to Brady, not being there for this aspect is troubling. As great as he is he's not one that can just plug in a new receiver and start hitting him. Aside from the youngsters they've picked up, he's got Patterson, Britt, and Matthews, as well as Dorsette who he still hasn't really connected with. Dude should fucking well be there, mandatory or not. Team captain? Really?
God damn I wish they'd kept Garopollo. I'd really like to see this team moving forward, and it just doesn't seem to be happening.
I'm still not worried.
I'm more disappointed than worried. He and Gronk are both looking to me pretty childish.
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That I agree with. The problem with this team is you never know the behind the scenes meetings.
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The report is that Gronk can't renew his contract until the 24th. He'll be in after that. Remember there was a Gronk summit a few weeks ago.
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Gronk summit. On Shaq's shoulders. :lol
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He's still under contract, is he not? Him skipping out is a little less concerning, he doens't need to develop timing with TB, but he should still demonstrate a bit of loyalty. Honestly, it's their attitudes that bug me. They just stick out as two guys really looking to rock the boat a bit.
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Why are these things labeled "voluntary" if folks are going to get bent out of shape when folks skip them? If they're really "voluntary," then skipping them shouldn't be an issue, and if skipping them is a problem, then stop calling them "voluntary."
There...I feel better now.
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Gronk is upset because it was incentive laced contract. So he has a guy to keep him on the field (Guerrero) so that affects his bottom line so he wants the contract restructured.
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Why are these things labeled "voluntary" if folks are going to get bent out of shape when folks skip them? If they're really "voluntary," then skipping them shouldn't be an issue, and if skipping them is a problem, then stop calling them "voluntary."
There...I feel better now.
Even though they're voluntary TB was generally an active participant. For most of his pro career he's been the poster child for dedication. He was the guy that's show up at the training facility at 0500 and start studying game film. He's also been pretty outspoken about how beneficial this phase of OTA is. In the past he was a big fan of them. Over the last six months we've been hearing more and more about a power struggle going on, and this is when he decides to do his own thing. So it's not really about him missing the end of the OTA. It's about the message he's clearly trying to send. I get the message and I think it sucks.
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If this was a QB in any other city, we'd be killing him.
Brady's slack with the fans is running out though. The fact that he coerced Kraft into ordering a Code Red on Jimmy G, you'd think he'd at least be respectful of Kraft here.
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Looks like the Niners caught a huge break in the Foster situation. Not just in that it looks like he is, at least mostly, innocent, but in that pushing him to the side while the legalities played out seemed to be the right call. Still aspects of the story I find unsettling, and I hope that there isn't some bigger cover up going on at this point, but things are looking better on that front.
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If this was a QB in any other city, we'd be killing him.
Brady's slack with the fans is running out though. The fact that he coerced Kraft into ordering a Code Red on Jimmy G, you'd think he'd at least be respectful of Kraft here.
No it's not. Only the nuts calling sports radio say this. I hear most fans siding with Brady. Why? Because fans question Belichick on the Butler benching.
If Butler didn't play 98% of the plays durring the season people wouldn't have this doubt.
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If this was a QB in any other city, we'd be killing him.
Brady's slack with the fans is running out though. The fact that he coerced Kraft into ordering a Code Red on Jimmy G, you'd think he'd at least be respectful of Kraft here.
No it's not. Only the nuts calling sports radio say this. I hear most fans siding with Brady. Why? Because fans question Belichick on the Butler benching.
If Butler didn't play 98% of the plays durring the season people wouldn't have this doubt.
Siding with the QB for being butthurt about a decision from last season? It shouldn't matter what anybody thinks of that decision. Is's the 2018 season. Act like a fucking professional. Or, lobby to become the next head coach. Either way if fine with me. But he's looking like a real jackass to me right now.
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Both sides are at fault here but people have now questioned the coach because there has been no answer to why Butler was benched.
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I say, too bad. How many great decisions has Belichick made over the years that helped them win? More than we count. But now that he made one that didn’t, some are gonna throw a fit? Come on, now. It’s over. Move on.
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The thing is, I think looking at it through Brady's eyes, he looks at Guerrero as a necessary piece of his preparation, which in turn, benefits the team.
Brady has shown his teams what it means to be coachable, and by also taking hometown discounts to benefit the team. Brady likely views Guerrero's restriction as ultimately detrimental to the team via Brady's performance. And with the Butler benching, it can only make Brady more suspicious.
He is obviously openly rebelling against his coach.
If this was a QB in any other city, we'd be killing him.
Brady's slack with the fans is running out though. The fact that he coerced Kraft into ordering a Code Red on Jimmy G, you'd think he'd at least be respectful of Kraft here.
No it's not. Only the nuts calling sports radio say this. I hear most fans siding with Brady. Why? Because fans question Belichick on the Butler benching.
If Butler didn't play 98% of the plays durring the season people wouldn't have this doubt.
You hang with a bunch of yahoos. ;D
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:lol
I personally think Guerrero was interfering with the staff and players were following his directives and that's when BB had enough.
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I personally think Guerrero was interfering with the staff and players were following his directives and that's when BB had enough.
Oh, I totally agree. You can see why Belichick put the hammer down. It's a tough situation.
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Ah, when your biggest worry as a Pats fan is Brady missing OTAs, must be nice. :lol
Meanwhile in Pittsburgh, we are wondering if our RB will show up for the first game of the year or not.
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Ah, when your biggest worry as a Pats fan is Brady missing OTAs, must be nice. :lol
Meanwhile in Pittsburgh, we are wondering if our RB will show up for the first game of the year or not.
:lol Seriously and Big Ben going off in public about the Steelers picking a QB in the draft and a receiver using Facebook live at the most inopportune time....
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:lol Seriously and Big Ben going off in public about the Steelers picking a QB in the draft and a receiver using Facebook live at the most inopportune time....
Eh, I actually see where Ben was coming from with that. He realizes they have a shot to win another Super Bowl before he retires if they fill in the gaps, instead they use a pick on a QB. Meanwhile his D will still suck next year...
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There was all this talk that the Pats needed to Draft a QB while others were saying what you said, draft for Brady's last few years to give them a chance to win one more.
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There was all this talk that the Pats needed to Draft a QB while others were saying what you said, draft for Brady's last few years to give them a chance to win one more.
Yeah, and I guess there's an argument to be made for both sides and it's probably situational.
For the Steelers and the Pats right now, they aren't picking near the top of the draft so the likelihood of them getting some stud QB that will be able to start and actually be good is slim. I'd rather those teams fill in the gaps while they have good QBs still and then suck for a couple years and get to draft high.
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There was all this talk that the Pats needed to Draft a QB while others were saying what you said, draft for Brady's last few years to give them a chance to win one more.
Why draft a QB when they have that really good kid waiting to take over? OH WAIT. :D
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Ah, when your biggest worry as a Pats fan is Brady missing OTAs, must be nice. :lol
Meanwhile in Pittsburgh, we are wondering if our RB will show up for the first game of the year or not.
Damn, is it football season already?
Figured you guys were used to this by now.
If TB thinks the Guerrero thing is hurting the team, this is how he handles it? Spite much?
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If TB thinks the Guerrero thing is hurting the team, this is how he handles it? Spite much?
You know, we kill athletes for stuff like this. Brady definitely does come off as thinking he's "above it all".
Will be interesting to see what happens when mandatory camps start.
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If TB thinks the Guerrero thing is hurting the team, this is how he handles it? Spite much?
You know, we kill athletes for stuff like this. Brady definitely does come off as thinking he's "above it all".
Will be interesting to see what happens when mandatory camps start.
He'll absolutely be at the mandatory practices. He still has an image to protect. He's making a statement now, and when the time comes he'll play football like he always has. At the same time, he's opened the door for endless speculation, and that's all on him. If he gets injured early: "well, it might have to do with all the conditioning he skipped." If he sucks: "He should have spent more time working with his receivers." If the lockerroom falls apart: "he should have been the team leader he always was." Right or wrong the second-guessing will be there, and that's 100% on him. He'll deserve it.
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Yes, totally, Bart.
A lot of people thought he'd be here this week.
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Ah, when your biggest worry as a Pats fan is Brady missing OTAs, must be nice. :lol
Meanwhile in Pittsburgh, we are wondering if our RB will show up for the first game of the year or not.
Figured you guys were used to this by now.
General comment or directed at me and Steelers fans? Personally, I don't care if Bell doesn't show up till the season begins, the question is whether he'll show up for the start of the regular season or not. Once again, personally, I don't much care. I don't think the Steelers should have tagged him again anyway.
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Ah, when your biggest worry as a Pats fan is Brady missing OTAs, must be nice. :lol
Meanwhile in Pittsburgh, we are wondering if our RB will show up for the first game of the year or not.
Figured you guys were used to this by now.
General comment or directed at me and Steelers fans? Personally, I don't care if Bell doesn't show up till the season begins, the question is whether he'll show up for the start of the regular season or not. Once again, personally, I don't much care. I don't think the Steelers should have tagged him again anyway.
Just seems to me like Bell is a holdout threat every season.
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There was all this talk that the Pats needed to Draft a QB while others were saying what you said, draft for Brady's last few years to give them a chance to win one more.
Why draft a QB when they have that really good kid waiting to take over? OH WAIT. :D
You're Welcome.
They couldn't keep both. As you saw what Jimmy G was paid. The Pats should have traded him last off season for a bigger return. Obviously BB didn't want to let him go.
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Just seems to me like Bell is a holdout threat every season.
He is. And I think I've ranted about this here before, so I'll hold back but I'd definitely prefer it if Bell weren't a Steeler anymore for a variety of reasons.
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If TB thinks the Guerrero thing is hurting the team, this is how he handles it? Spite much?
You know, we kill athletes for stuff like this. Brady definitely does come off as thinking he's "above it all".
Will be interesting to see what happens when mandatory camps start.
He'll absolutely be at the mandatory practices. He still has an image to protect. He's making a statement now, and when the time comes he'll play football like he always has. At the same time, he's opened the door for endless speculation, and that's all on him. If he gets injured early: "well, it might have to do with all the conditioning he skipped." If he sucks: "He should have spent more time working with his receivers." If the lockerroom falls apart: "he should have been the team leader he always was." Right or wrong the second-guessing will be there, and that's 100% on him. He'll deserve it.
Brady has all the power to act this way now since the threat of a back up like Jimmy G is gone. Now that he's done this he'd better perform on the field like he has the last 4 years or he'll get slaughters by the media and fans here.
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There was all this talk that the Pats needed to Draft a QB while others were saying what you said, draft for Brady's last few years to give them a chance to win one more.
Why draft a QB when they have that really good kid waiting to take over? OH WAIT. :D
You're Welcome.
They couldn't keep both. As you saw what Jimmy G was paid. The Pats should have traded him last off season for a bigger return. Obviously BB didn't want to let him go.
If Bill really thought he was the QB of the future he should have kept him and given him Brady's money. My hunch is that was the plan all along. If so, Brady and Kraft really screwed things up.
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If Bill really thought he was the QB of the future he should have kept him and given him Brady's money. My hunch is that was the plan all along. If so, Brady and Kraft really screwed things up.
Well, yeah. Pretty much.
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Oh no doubt. Though look at the level Brady has played. Can you think of another QB that got traded or became a free agent that played at this level? Even Montana was injured the year before he went to KC. This is uncharted waters right now.
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I thought maybe we can pass the time with some
Mount Rushmores. The previous user posts the team. You post your top 4 people (players/coach/owner/etc) for that team, and anything else (honorable mention, personal favorites, team specific memory. Etc). Afterwards, you pick the franchise for the next person to tackle.
Instead... let's do 32 teams in 32 days!
I'll start with the Buffalo Bills
Mount Rushmore - Bruce Smith, OJ Simpson, Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas
My personal favorite Bill of all time, Andre Reed.
Favorite Bills game.... the Comeback!
Talk all things Bills!
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DOC. From my trip to Buffalo last year.
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That's awesome. How did the fans treat ya? I'm sure there are good and bad home fans in every NFL stadium.
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I had a blast there. At first they'd boo you, but you go up to them, talk, have fun and they opened up. I saw 3 tables broken by the Bill's Mafia, 3 arrests, one for punching a police horse. LOL I had my fun razzing them, they'd razz back in good natured fun. I absolutely loved going there. It was 25 years since the last time I went there.
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25 years..... so in the midst of their 4 year run and coming into the beginning of the Bledsoe era. Bet Bills fans felt sorry for you back then. 5 SB Championships later, not so much.
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First year with Bledsoe. Yeah, that was the last year they went to the Superbowl. I still can't believe they went to 4 SB's in a row never to win. That team was dynamite.
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The Bills' jerseys/helmet from that era are among my favorite in league history.
(https://www.thephillygodfather.com/images/article-images/BUFFBILLS%20old%20school.jpg)
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I recently saw a sports doc on that bill team. It was fun to remember. I even liked Marv Leavy as a coach. Their GM though, I came to despise him when he went to another team. Any guesses who that was?
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I'll start with the Buffalo Bills
Mount Rushmore - Bruce Smith, OJ Simpson, Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas
My personal favorite Bill of all time, Andre Reed.
I initially thought maybe OJ was the weak link here. He didn't make the Bills 50th Anniversary Team, but I assume that was for non-football reasons and that he would've made it but for those reasons. My gut made me think of Andre Reed, Joe DeLamielleure or even Steve Tasker over OJ. I'd definitely put Marv Levy up there over OJ, but I suppose we're limiting it to players only.
But I then looked up OJ's stats. His prime years were 1972-76. During that five year stretch, he rushed for 7,699 yards. Seems like a lot -- especially when you consider there were only 14 games in a season back then, so he did that in only 70 games. On the other hand, that only works out to 110 yards per game, which doesn't sound like much until you realize that only Jim Brown averaged more than 100 yards per game (104.3 -- OJ averaged 83.2 yards per game over his career). He had 1,513 carries in those five years, which works out to 5.09 yards per carry. Michael Vick is the NFL's all-time leader in yards per carry (7.0), and OJ averaged 4.7 for his career (Marion Motley averaged 5.7, Jim Brown averaged 5.2, and Gale Sayers and Barry Sanders averaged 5.0).
All in all, I'll agree with your Mount Rushmore (although OJ's likeness should include mini likenesses of DeLamielleure and Reggie McKenzie).
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Favorite Bill... Conelius Bennet. Something about that dude I liked better than Smith.
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:lol Seriously and Big Ben going off in public about the Steelers picking a QB in the draft and a receiver using Facebook live at the most inopportune time....
Eh, I actually see where Ben was coming from with that. He realizes they have a shot to win another Super Bowl before he retires if they fill in the gaps, instead they use a pick on a QB. Meanwhile his D will still suck next year...
Maybe Tomlin should do his job and coach up the defense for once...;)
I thought Ben's comment was out of bounds. He has the tendency to get hurt, so drafting a guy kinda early makes it more likely that they have a good backup for when he misses a few games again. Ben has always been a drama queen, though.
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Reports are that Hunter Henry may be out for the season. That sucks.
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Maybe Tomlin should do his job and coach up the defense for once...;)
I thought Ben's comment was out of bounds. He has the tendency to get hurt, so drafting a guy kinda early makes it more likely that they have a good backup for when he misses a few games again. Ben has always been a drama queen, though.
You know I'm not a big fan of Tomlin, but in his defense, you can only work with what you got.
On Ben - he used to push the boundaries, he's actually settled down over the last several years (got married has kids now) - at this point everything he says is calculated and often he says things just to mess with the media. The franchise QB can tongue and cheek comment about a draft pick, I'm good with that. Also - there's absolutely no reason to think this kid will come into a game in relief of an injury and perform any better than the backup(s) they have now.
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Day 2 - The Carolina Panthers
Things have been crazy since going 15-1 and making the Super Bowl. Josh Norman wore out his welcome, and now, Jerry Richardson is selling his team.
My Panthers' Mount Rushmore would be Steve Smith Sr, Julius Peppers, Sam Mills, Cam Newton
I've always LOVED this team's look. Helmet, jerseys, alternates. It's all fantastic in my opinion.
Favorite Panthers related games.... I enjoyed the Steve Beuerlein led teams. Seem to recall him getting a big win @Green Bay in the cold when that used to be a tough accomplishment. Was also rooting for them to beat the Pats in SB 38.
(https://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/images/1995-carolina-panthers-sam-mills-3.jpg)
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Reports are that Hunter Henry may be out for the season. That sucks.
:sad:
one of my favorite chargers. he is supposed to get a second opinion so maybe he could make a comeback late in the season. fingers crossed. it looks like gates will be probably coming back now.
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Favorite Panther: Jake Delhomme
Least favorite Panther player in the history of the NFL: Cam Newton
Greatest thing to have happened during a Panther game: Cam playing like a fourth grader in Super Bowl L; Janet Jackson sharing one of her nipples with all of us during Super Bowl XXXVIII
I lived in Charlotte for about four years, and went to several games; BEAUTIFUL stadium, and very well laid out. LOVED going there for games. Like their uniforms and color scheme as well.
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Here's the owner's attempt to "fix" the national anthem situation -
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23582533/nfl-owners-approve-new-national-anthem-policy
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Here's the owner's attempt to "fix" the national anthem situation -
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23582533/nfl-owners-approve-new-national-anthem-policy
Kneeling quietly is not the slightest bit "disrespectful" to the Anthem (or to any person or group of persons). This new "policy" is beyond dumb. The best way to "fix" the situation is to do nothing.
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Here's the owner's attempt to "fix" the national anthem situation -
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23582533/nfl-owners-approve-new-national-anthem-policy
I have no problem with this. The rule is that if you're on the field for the anthem you show "proper respect" but it doesn't force you to be on the field. Also, it fines the teams not the individual. Makes sense.
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Here's the owner's attempt to "fix" the national anthem situation -
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23582533/nfl-owners-approve-new-national-anthem-policy
Kneeling quietly is not the slightest bit "disrespectful" to the Anthem (or to any person or group of persons). This new "policy" is beyond dumb. The best way to "fix" the situation is to do nothing.
It may not be disrespectful to you but it's seen as disrespectful to a shit load of people. There are other ways to actually make a difference than kneeling.
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They have literally 6 other days a week to protest whatever they want and literally an entire off-season to do so as well. Kudos to the ones who are actually in the community helping bring real change. To the clowns that just kneeled in week 3 because their President called them out, I'm elated for this ruling.
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Here's the owner's attempt to "fix" the national anthem situation -
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23582533/nfl-owners-approve-new-national-anthem-policy
Kneeling quietly is not the slightest bit "disrespectful" to the Anthem (or to any person or group of persons). This new "policy" is beyond dumb. The best way to "fix" the situation is to do nothing.
Let's remember those rules next time a prom kid uses a stereotype to ask his girl to the dance. Or any of the 100 other examples of people being offended over everything from "racial slurs" to "it's Wednesday".
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Because how better to celebrate freedom than shutting up and doing as you're told.
The interesting thing to me will be if entire teams remain in the lockerroom. Aside form avoiding the circle-jerk and accompanying distraction, you get 5 more minutes of prep-time. I was hoping the league would go that route, but they chickened out. Moreover, this won't really appease the people who "WILL NEVER WATCH FOOTBALL AGAIN!" It's not the mandatory respect that they want, it only hides the problem, and it only came as a result of a perceived financial loss to the league.
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They have literally 6 other days a week to protest whatever they want and literally an entire off-season to do so as well. Kudos to the ones who are actually in the community helping bring real change. To the clowns that just kneeled in week 3 because their President called them out, I'm elated for this ruling.
Hey Rosa, I know you're not happy with the bussing situation, but could you perhaps protest at home where it doesn't have to bother any of us?
Because how better to celebrate freedom than shutting up and doing as you're told.
The interesting thing to me will be if entire teams remain in the lockerroom.
That is the best that could come of this decision.
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As I said in FB, the fact that this is even an issue simply eats away at the ZERO FUCK'S I have for the NFL.
What a fucking gong-show.
Thank God I can count on EB to articulate my thoughts more poetically.
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It's amazing to me that no other league (Including the NBA) have issues like the NFL. Shit show from the owners to the league offices.
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They have literally 6 other days a week to protest whatever they want and literally an entire off-season to do so as well. Kudos to the ones who are actually in the community helping bring real change. To the clowns that just kneeled in week 3 because their President called them out, I'm elated for this ruling.
Hey Rosa, I know you're not happy with the bussing situation, but could you perhaps protest at home where it doesn't have to bother any of us?
I wasn't aware that Rosa Parks worked on that bus.
We're talking about employees protesting on company time.....
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They have literally 6 other days a week to protest whatever they want and literally an entire off-season to do so as well. Kudos to the ones who are actually in the community helping bring real change. To the clowns that just kneeled in week 3 because their President called them out, I'm elated for this ruling.
Hey Rosa, I know you're not happy with the bussing situation, but could you perhaps protest at home where it doesn't have to bother any of us?
Not at all the same thing.
More like "Hey Rosa, I know you're not happy with, uh, something, so in order to bring the consequences to your actions back in line with those actions, and to minimize the egregious consequences to those of us that aren't party to your protest of, uh, I know you told us, but it's not entirely clear, we're going to give you an opportunity to speak your piece in a way that minimizes the bullying - inadvertent or otherwise - and more directly focuses the type and degree of the consequences for your speech. Thank you."
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It's amazing to me that no other league (Including the NBA) have issues like the NFL. Shit show from the owners to the league offices.
No other league has Roger Goodell, Jerry Jones, and Dan Snyder.
Seriously, though, the NFL brings in 50% more revenue than baseball, and more revenue than basketball, hockey, soccer, and the CFL combined. TV revenue is more than DOUBLE ALL the other big time sports combined. Their average attendance is more than double the next closest (baseball). Six of the top ten franchises in the US are football clubs, including number one, the Dallas Cowboys.
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It's amazing to me that no other league (Including the NBA) have issues like the NFL. Shit show from the owners to the league offices.
No other league has Roger Goodell, Jerry Jones, and Dan Snyder.
Seriously, though, the NFL brings in 50% more revenue than baseball, and more revenue than basketball, hockey, soccer, and the CFL combined. TV revenue is more than DOUBLE ALL the other big time sports combined. Their average attendance is more than double the next closest (baseball). Six of the top ten franchises in the US are football clubs, including number one, the Dallas Cowboys.
And there is your answer. They can fuck up all the time and it doesn't matter. I would rather have my politics separate from my sports but the owners and the league office can do that.
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They have literally 6 other days a week to protest whatever they want and literally an entire off-season to do so as well. Kudos to the ones who are actually in the community helping bring real change. To the clowns that just kneeled in week 3 because their President called them out, I'm elated for this ruling.
Hey Rosa, I know you're not happy with the bussing situation, but could you perhaps protest at home where it doesn't have to bother any of us?
Not at all the same thing.
More like "Hey Rosa, I know you're not happy with, uh, something, so in order to bring the consequences to your actions back in line with those actions, and to minimize the egregious consequences to those of us that aren't party to your protest of, uh, I know you told us, but it's not entirely clear, we're going to give you an opportunity to speak your piece in a way that minimizes the bullying - inadvertent or otherwise - and more directly focuses the type and degree of the consequences for your speech. Thank you."
Hey, wait, it's Kap and the like that are bullying here? No shit? The Goddamned president called for them to be fired if they didn't toe the line like good little Americans. People are boycotting the sport because it's not nationalistic enough. There's apparently evidence of collusion against the protesters now. I don't now. I don't feel bullied by a guy kneeling while I suffer through some pointless pageantry.
Also, the egregious consequences you refer are more like "Damn, Rosa, you're really making us look bad. We don't want to get involved, but there are a ton of people angry at us for not taking you out and hanging you. Maybe could you just stay home and leave us out of it?"
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Pointless pageantry El Barto that the league received money from our government for and then had to stop taking the money after the outcry.
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Whether something is disrespectful and whether it is interpreted by a biased observer as such are very different things. Lots of folks think kneeling is more respectful than standing.
I happen to think that this is a dumb way to protest what is being protested -- among other things because it would have been obvious to anyone with a shred of brain capacity that this particular manner of protest had far more likelihood to offend people than it did to do any good -- but the NFL's reaction to this is even dumber. Yes, the players are employees protesting on company time, but it's not like they're calling timeouts in the middle of games so that they can drag banners onto the field. All they're doing is choosing one body posture over another during a time when they're not actually performing their job duties. Can you imagine any other (non-military) employer trying to compel its employees to assume a particular body posture in reverence of a flag or any other symbol and then fining those employees who choose to adopt a different body posture? It's utterly ridiculous, and it's even more ridiculous that the NFL thinks it can force this on the players without collective bargaining in the guise of "game operations."
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The NBA has basically had the same rule for decades. I know this is a bigger deal because of the last two years, but an employer expecting an employee to not do something that they makes them look bad is not unheard of. In fact, just about any employer will frown greatly on anything that makes them look bad.
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Image is important.
(https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/i/streams/2012/September/120906/524259-120906-biz-getting-fired-fast-times.jpg)
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The NBA has basically had the same rule for decades. I know this is a bigger deal because of the last two years, but an employer expecting an employee to not do something that they makes them look bad is not unheard of. In fact, just about any employer will frown greatly on anything that makes them look bad.
Though the NBA allows the players to wear t shirts pre game and writing on their sneakers. The NBA can get it right. Why can't the NFL?
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Image is important.
(https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/i/streams/2012/September/120906/524259-120906-biz-getting-fired-fast-times.jpg)
I now have the urge to masturbate to Phoebe Cates.
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Do it moving in stereo.
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Though the NBA allows the players to wear t shirts pre game and writing on their sneakers. The NBA can get it right. Why can't the NFL?
It's not called the No Fun League for nothing.
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The thing I don't understand is that no one is forcing the players to play football. It's not a right to be an NFL Player last I checked. If they don't like the rules quit and form their own league. Being an NFL Player is a job and just like with any job there are rules setup and enforced by the employer. If the employee doesn't like it they can quit or get fired for breaking the rules. And of course the race baiting masters (CNN & ESPN) are milking this for all it's worth portraying this as the old racist white owners silencing the majority black work force. Not everyone may agree but to me using the national anthem time to showcase your political beliefs is disrespectful. I could care less what your skin color is or what the action is.
Someone mentioned above that the NBA allows players to where shirts/shoes during pre-game warm-ups. I have no problem with that because it's not during the anthem. I'm unaware if there is such a rule in the NFL prohibiting this.
Let's forget about the anthem for a second. Why in the world is it so hard to do anything now a days with out getting blasted with political opinions and social activism. Life's hard and the world is fucked up (that's not going to change). Is it so wrong to want to go an enjoy a movie or sporting event to just have fun and escape the pressures of life without getting people pushing their beliefs and issues on others?
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This is where the problem lies. The NBA is smart enough to work with the players to allow during those times. How has the NFL handling anything? It's a cluster fuck.
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Is it so wrong to want to go an enjoy a movie or sporting event to just have fun and escape the pressures of life without getting people pushing their beliefs and issues on others?
Precisely... and that's what the owners are doing - it's just the other side of the same coin. The owners collaborated and collectively decided that kneeling was disrespectful, and are thus forcing their beliefs on the entirety of the employee base.
King's right... the NFL has cluster-fucked every goddamn step of this issue. I don't know what the right/best response was or should be, but it sure as hell wasn't anything that they have done or are doing.
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Is it so wrong to want to go an enjoy a movie or sporting event to just have fun and escape the pressures of life without getting people pushing their beliefs and issues on others?
Precisely... and that's what the owners are doing - it's just the other side of the same coin. The owners collaborated and collectively decided that kneeling was disrespectful, and are thus forcing their beliefs on the entirety of the employee base.
Exactly. As bothered as some people are by people not going through the proper song and dance during the anthem, I'm just as annoyed by having to put up with the pageantry. When I do go to a sporting event I try and make a point to be in the head or in line for a beer when that nonsense is going on, simply because I don't want to be subjected to forced patriotism. The league started this when it decided that cash from the armed forces was worth making everybody put on a five minute dog and pony show.
Put another way, the league has ~300 days a year it can wave the flag and suck military cock. It should do it on its own damn time, rather than forcing it on me when I'm just trying to watch a football game.
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Basically, cash for feigned patriotism. That's what's upsetting as a fan. My tax dollars are given to these owners when they already take money from me when I go to these games.
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I thought this was a good read this morning.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/nfl-kneeling-isnt-just-a-protest-its-a-plea/2018/05/23/a2768b5c-5ec5-11e8-a4a4-c070ef53f315_story.html?utm_term=.87049d592b7b
I was proud/glad to see the Jets acting owner come out and say that he was fine if his players decided they still wanted to kneel and that he'd be OK with paying the fines. Especially surprising considering his brother (the team's actual owner) is currently serving in the Trump administration.
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So will the concessions people be closing up shop during the playing of the anthem? Will the bathrooms be closed? Will the merchandisers stop taking money for that cool foam finger? Asking for a friend.
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At this point, the anthem's in NA sport are an antiquated tradition. I may be wrong, but I don't think Euro footy games have an anthem; International Hockey sure doesn't (not sure if the KHL does). Didn't all this start during/after WWII as a way to bring about national unity? Now it's just a symbolic moment to start the athletic proceedings - like flicking the lights at the Theater so everyone knows the show's about to start.
Just blow a bloody foghorn, ffs.
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So will the concessions people be closing up shop during the playing of the anthem? Will the bathrooms be closed? Will the merchandisers stop taking money for that cool foam finger? Asking for a friend.
Nope. I guess if the owner of the team hosting the game wanted those things to stop during the anthem, they could do that. But that would cost them money, so they won't. That's the reason for this decision about kneeling, they are afraid to lose money from ticket buyers, from the government and from TV revenues.
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Is it so wrong to want to go an enjoy a movie or sporting event to just have fun and escape the pressures of life without getting people pushing their beliefs and issues on others?
Precisely... and that's what the owners are doing - it's just the other side of the same coin. The owners collaborated and collectively decided that kneeling was disrespectful, and are thus forcing their beliefs on the entirety of the employee base.
King's right... the NFL has cluster-fucked every goddamn step of this issue. I don't know what the right/best response was or should be, but it sure as hell wasn't anything that they have done or are doing.
I don't think that's entirely true (your first paragraph), at least from the perspective of the fan. I think one way of looking at this is that the league has taken the bullet and taken the discussion OFF the field. We can debate all day the relative rights of the players versus the owners, but at least for the 2 minutes of the anthem (as stretched out to 9 minutes by excruciatingly melismatic singing) we are free of the discussion at that moment in time, at least for the time being.
I don't know; I still see the league being in the right in terms of being able to prescribe what players do on company time, but I'm softening on the idea of the kneel. I think it's all subjective, and while I personally would stand, out of respect for the fans and those that have served our country, as I recognize the right of racists to be racist, I recognize the right of the players to express their patriotism as they see fit, short of disruptive ACTION.
Honestly, the mental state of Sir Thomas of Brady is FAR more disruptive to me than this whole anthem thingy.
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Is it so wrong to want to go an enjoy a movie or sporting event to just have fun and escape the pressures of life without getting people pushing their beliefs and issues on others?
Precisely... and that's what the owners are doing - it's just the other side of the same coin. The owners collaborated and collectively decided that kneeling was disrespectful, and are thus forcing their beliefs on the entirety of the employee base.
King's right... the NFL has cluster-fucked every goddamn step of this issue. I don't know what the right/best response was or should be, but it sure as hell wasn't anything that they have done or are doing.
I don't think that's entirely true (your first paragraph), at least from the perspective of the fan. I think one way of looking at this is that the league has taken the bullet and taken the discussion OFF the field. We can debate all day the relative rights of the players versus the owners, but at least for the 2 minutes of the anthem (as stretched out to 9 minutes by excruciatingly melismatic singing) we are free of the discussion at that moment in time, at least for the time being.
I don't know; I still see the league being in the right in terms of being able to prescribe what players do on company time, but I'm softening on the idea of the kneel. I think it's all subjective, and while I personally would stand, out of respect for the fans and those that have served our country, as I recognize the right of racists to be racist, I recognize the right of the players to express their patriotism as they see fit, short of disruptive ACTION.
Honestly, the mental state of Sir Thomas of Brady is FAR more disruptive to me than this whole anthem thingy.
Which is what makes this a highly dubious response. They hid the problem away which won't make either side happy.
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You're seeing players already tweeting about it. It was dying off all ready and now some are feeling they need to respond.
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So will the concessions people be closing up shop during the playing of the anthem? Will the bathrooms be closed? Will the merchandisers stop taking money for that cool foam finger? Asking for a friend.
Nope. I guess if the owner of the team hosting the game wanted those things to stop during the anthem, they could do that. But that would cost them money, so they won't. That's the reason for this decision about kneeling, they are afraid to lose money from ticket buyers, from the government and from TV revenues.
Actually, I just read that the 49rs will not allow concession sales during the anthem for the 2018 season.
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So will the concessions people be closing up shop during the playing of the anthem? Will the bathrooms be closed? Will the merchandisers stop taking money for that cool foam finger? Asking for a friend.
Nope. I guess if the owner of the team hosting the game wanted those things to stop during the anthem, they could do that. But that would cost them money, so they won't. That's the reason for this decision about kneeling, they are afraid to lose money from ticket buyers, from the government and from TV revenues.
Actually, I just read that the 49rs will not allow concession sales during the anthem for the 2018 season.
Wow, see that actually surprises me.
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Thinking more on this, I think this is where I stand
- I think people should stand during the anthem
- I think the NFL as the employer can create/enforce the rules they did
- If the NFL did nothing and people continued to kneel I wouldn't stop watching the NFL
So in a nut shell, I'd prefer people stand and pay attention to the anthem, but if they don't then I don't really care. So I'm moving on from this topic since it doesn't need or deserve any more attention from me.
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And yet the NFL (and Grabby) gives it more than the attention it deserves
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Day 3
The Cincinnati Bengals
My mount rushmore would be Anthony Munoz, Boomer Esiason, Ken Anderson, AJ Green
Honorable mention to the ever entertaining Chad Johnson/Ocho Cinco
Favorite games involving the Bengals.... damn not many..... I'd say the most memorable were the playoff games against Pittsburgh. The one in 2006 where they took out Carson Palmer's knee early in the game... then the one from a couple of years ago where the team completely self-destructed, especially Burfict and Pacman. What a mess of a franchise.
Love the helmet... the jerseys are okay. Prefer the black tops to the orange tops.
(https://bengals.enquirer.com/1997/11/112497_jaguars.html)
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Day 3
The Cincinnati Bengals
My mount rushmore would be Anthony Munoz, Boomer Esiason, Ken Anderson, AJ Green
Honorable mention to the ever entertaining Chad Johnson/Ocho Cinco
Favorite games involving the Bengals.... damn not many..... I'd say the most memorable were the playoff games against Pittsburgh. The one in 2006 where they took out Carson Palmer's knee early in the game... then the one from a couple of years ago where the team completely self-destructed, especially Burfict and Pacman. What a mess of a franchise.
Love the helmet... the jerseys are okay. Prefer the black tops to the orange tops.
(https://bengals.enquirer.com/1997/11/112497_jaguars.html)
Hard to argue against those four. Maybe Rodney Holman deserves a spot, but I'm not sure which one. Very well rounded TE back before they were essentially ginormous receivers.
Favorite game (sorry Greg) Bengals 34 Rams 31 with 850 yards passing. With Eddie Brown injured the Bengals had 3 other receivers with over 100 yards.
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I don't know much about Bengals history but I love logo/colors of the uniforms.
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Don't forget the Icky Shuffle!
Boomer was my favorite from Cincy. As a lefty into sports, I idolized the lefties in the game.
The SB loss was a game that is still vivid in my memory.
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You're seeing players already tweeting about it. It was dying off all ready and now some are feeling they need to respond.
This is what cracks me up. They single handedly re-stirred the pot after talk about it had died down, they pissed off a decent segment of their players (and some of their fans on the liberal side of the spectrum), and then Trump came out this morning and said what they did wasn't enough. So they've made exactly nobody happy :lol
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Bengals: Big Boomer fan, also a big Chris Collinsworth fan. Unfortunately the last five years, plus minus, are everything I dislike about pro sports today. Wimpy coach that can't control his team, and a bunch of players who's self-image is RADICALLY different than the reality, all reflected in a record that fits.
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You're seeing players already tweeting about it. It was dying off all ready and now some are feeling they need to respond.
This is what cracks me up. They single handedly re-stirred the pot after talk about it had died down, they pissed off a decent segment of their players (and some of their fans on the liberal side of the spectrum), and then Trump came out this morning and said what they did wasn't enough. So they've made exactly nobody happy :lol
Did he say that too? My interpretation was that he approved, but thought that the protesters should move to Russia or something. :lol
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You're seeing players already tweeting about it. It was dying off all ready and now some are feeling they need to respond.
This is what cracks me up. They single handedly re-stirred the pot after talk about it had died down, they pissed off a decent segment of their players (and some of their fans on the liberal side of the spectrum), and then Trump came out this morning and said what they did wasn't enough. So they've made exactly nobody happy :lol
Did he say that too? My interpretation was that he approved, but thought that the protesters should move to Russia or something. :lol
The way I read his comments was that the NFL shouldn't even give the players the option of staying in the locker room.
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Day 3
The Cincinnati Bengals
My mount rushmore would be Anthony Munoz, Boomer Esiason, Ken Anderson, AJ Green
Honorable mention to the ever entertaining Chad Johnson/Ocho Cinco
Favorite games involving the Bengals.... damn not many..... I'd say the most memorable were the playoff games against Pittsburgh. The one in 2006 where they took out Carson Palmer's knee early in the game... then the one from a couple of years ago where the team completely self-destructed, especially Burfict and Pacman. What a mess of a franchise.
Love the helmet... the jerseys are okay. Prefer the black tops to the orange tops.
(https://bengals.enquirer.com/1997/11/112497_jaguars.html)
My favorite games would be the two Bengals Super Bowls (16 and 23) -- two of the more entertaining Super Bowls of the 80s. Also the playoff game against San Diego where it was -50 degrees or something like that.
FWIW, in 2017, a web site called cincyjungle.com named the following as the top 5 Bengals of all time: (5) Chad Johnson; (4) Boomer Esiason; (3) Ken Riley (a 4x all-pro cornerback who played from 69-83); (2) Ken Anderson; (1) Anthony Munoz. A.J. Green ranked #7 (one spot ahead of Isaac Curtis, whom I would have put ahead of Green).
Honorable mention to Cris Collinsworth, Pat McInally and Boobie Clark.
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I'm definitely putting Boomer ahead of Ken Anderson. The Bengals might have been the first team to regularly use the hurry-up offense as a routine offense and Boomer had it mastered. Moreover, I can't think of any QB that was better with play action than he was. That became a hallmark of a Sam Wyche coached QB, but his was as good as it got.
As for Johnson v. Green, I'm probably leaning Green's direction. Statistically they're pretty much dead even, but it says something to me that CJ couldn't play in NE with a much more pass friendly, but complicated system. Green strikes me as an intelligent guy while CJ seems like a buffoon.
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Dead on with Boomer El Barto.
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I would personally put Corey Dillon on there since his monster game in his rookie season against the Titans helped me win my first fantasy football championship, but I will admit to a slight bit of bias. ;)
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I would personally put Corey Dillon on there since his monster game in his rookie season against the Titans helped me win my first fantasy football championship, but I will admit to a slight bit of bias. ;)
I have a similar fondness for the guy based on his first season with NE. Won me my second. :tup
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1600 plus yards. He was a beast that year in 2004.
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Boomer was a really good QB, but I also consider him to be the most annoying sports analyst on TV, and that's saying something. I remember when him and Dan Dierdorf were the Monday night crew, and I could sense DD's constant frustration with him on every broadcast. He isn't much better on CBS's pre-game now, either.
And I have to completely agree with you guys that brought up Corey Dillon. That guy was an absolute beast.
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Day 5 – Tennessee Titans/Houston Oilers
Today we discuss the Titans/Oilers (since the Titans retain the Oilers’ history).
My Mount Rushmore – Bruce Matthews, Earl Campbell, Warren Moon, Steve McNair
The Oilers were one of my 2 go to teams in Tecmo Super Bowl (Along with the Eagles). Just loved playing with Moon, Drew Hill, Haywood Jeffries, Earnest Givens, and Lorenzo White. Made for a wide-open offense.
Most memorable games – For me, I don’t remember many Oiler games. But the two big Titan games I remember were the Super Bowl where they were a yard short, and the Divisional game against Baltimore where Ray Lewis took the ball from Eddie George. Tennessee/Baltimore was shaping up to be quite the rivalry prior to re-alignment.
Loved the Oilers Helmets/Uniforms. Ditto for the Titans’ original look. Not digging the recent overhaul….
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Dead on with Boomer El Barto.
And Green. Johnson was an athlete, not a football player.
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Too many good Oilers/Titans to choose from. Bethea is certainly a reasonable choice, as it Watt. Not many defensive players have the ability to completely takeover a football game like he can.
And when they played in two named games, the favorites aren't hard to choose from. The Comeback and The Music City Miracle were both fantastic to see.
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One of my memories seeing the Titans/Oilers was in Jan 10th, 2004. It was the Divisional round of the playoffs. it was 4 degrees with a wind chill of -20. Our car battery died in the parking lot thanks you my buddy leaving his indoor light on. IT was the second coldest game I ever went to. A hard fought battle that the Pats barely escaped with a FG in the 4th quarter to win 17-14 and went on to win SB #2.
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Day 5 – Tennessee Titans/Houston Oilers
Today we discuss the Titans/Oilers (since the Titans retain the Oilers’ history).
My Mount Rushmore – Bruce Matthews, Earl Campbell, Warren Moon, Steve McNair
The Oilers were one of my 2 go to teams in Tecmo Super Bowl (Along with the Eagles). Just loved playing with Moon, Drew Hill, Haywood Jeffries, Earnest Givens, and Lorenzo White. Made for a wide-open offense.
Most memorable games – For me, I don’t remember many Oiler games. But the two big Titan games I remember were the Super Bowl where they were a yard short, and the Divisional game against Baltimore where Ray Lewis took the ball from Eddie George. Tennessee/Baltimore was shaping up to be quite the rivalry prior to re-alignment.
When I first started watching football, the Steelers v. Oilers rivalry was fun to watch, and when you talk about the Houston Oilers, the first guy that comes to my mind is Billy "White Shoes" Johnson. A 3x pro bowler and first team all pro, Johnson was a member of the NFL's all-decade teams for the 1970s and 1980s and the NFL's 75th anniversary team. But the most memorable thing about him for me were his touchdown celebrations.
I'd put him on the team's Mount Rushmore over McNair, and I agree with the other selections.
Most memorable game has to be the Music City Miracle. And, because "memorable" doesn't have to mean good, the Bills comeback from a 35-3 defecit has to be up there too.
Too many good Oilers/Titans to choose from. Bethea is certainly a reasonable choice, as it Watt.
Watt???
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Give me a Bum anyday. Loved the hat.
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Too many good Oilers/Titans to choose from. Bethea is certainly a reasonable choice, as it Watt.
Watt???
Damn. That whole thing still fucks with my head.
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Too many good Oilers/Titans to choose from. Bethea is certainly a reasonable choice, as it Watt.
Watt???
Damn. That whole thing still fucks with my head.
Just wait 'til we get to the Browns/Ravens.
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Love the old Oilers. Coulnd't give even half a f*** about the Titans.
Pastorini, Moon, Campbell, Phillips... they weren't as good a team as some of the dynasties, but like the Chargers, you knew you were going to have to earn the win playing against them.
I met White Shoes at a Falcons game back awhile ago (late 90's maybe?). Very nice, humble man.
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Too many good Oilers/Titans to choose from. Bethea is certainly a reasonable choice, as it Watt.
Watt???
Damn. That whole thing still fucks with my head.
Just wait 'til we get to the Browns/Ravens.
That won't be nearly as bad as Cleveland got to keep their history.
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Too many good Oilers/Titans to choose from. Bethea is certainly a reasonable choice, as it Watt.
Watt???
Damn. That whole thing still fucks with my head.
Just wait 'til we get to the Browns/Ravens.
That won't be nearly as bad as Cleveland got to keep their history.
Baltimore Colts and the Indy Mayflowers actually.
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Don't be goin' all Raymond Berry on me now.
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Don't know how much play we'll get on the weekend... but I said 32ish days, so here we are.
Today's team is the Los Angeles/San Diego Chargers.
I was gutted for the fans in San Diego. Sucks to lose your franchise.
Mt. Rushmore for me would be L.T., Junior Seau, Fouts & Rivers
Memorable games. The one Kev brought up a few days ago against Miami. Of course they had another classic playoff tilt years before that, but way before my time. Was certainly rooting for them in Super Bowl 29, but they were clearly on the wrong side of history for that one.
Uniforms... I'm an odd ball.... so for some reason the power blues aren't my favorite look... rather liked their look in the 90s.
(https://www.trbimg.com/img-590a03f5/turbine/sd-sp-chargers-seau-some-good-came-from-tragic-death-20170502)
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Yeah.... weekdays it is.
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I think I'd put Gates in there over Rivers. Gates is one of the top 3 tight ends of his generation (along with Gronk and Gonzalez) and is a likely Hall of Famer right away, while Rivers will have a tough time making the Hall unless he wins a ring late in his career.
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That's certainly fair. I wonder if they'll bring Gates back in now that Henry's injured.
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I think I'd put Gates in there over Rivers. Gates is one of the top 3 tight ends of his generation (along with Gronk and Gonzalez) and is a likely Hall of Famer right away, while Rivers will have a tough time making the Hall unless he wins a ring late in his career.
I think that he'll eventually make it into the HOF, but any player with a PED suspension can probably expect to wait a few years to be enshrined.
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Rivers doesn't get anywhere NEAR my list, and if it was up to me, the only way he gets into the Hall is by buying a ticket with the rest of the fans. Not a fan at all; unlike Fouts, who is on my list (and who I think IS a HoF'er) I think Rivers has consistently under-performed his entire career. He hasn't won anything - and won't - and that's not for lack of talent around him or coaching. I can't stand that whiney style of his. There's not a game that goes by that the Chargers aren't in it near the end, but then they blow it, and there's one or two plays where he overthrows a receiver then bitches out the receiver, the linemen, the running back kept in to block, the OC, the head coach, the cheerleader for shaking her tail feather during the play... WHAAAAAAAAAAAA. Reminds me of Dan Marino without the lights out stats.
Fouts, LT, Seau, Lance Alworth, Kellen Winslow are my list. Gates, Shawne Merriman, Charlie Joiner, even Rolf Benirschke... all belong on there before Rivers.
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I think I'd put Gates in there over Rivers. Gates is one of the top 3 tight ends of his generation (along with Gronk and Gonzalez) and is a likely Hall of Famer right away, while Rivers will have a tough time making the Hall unless he wins a ring late in his career.
I think that he'll eventually make it into the HOF, but any player with a PED suspension can probably expect to wait a few years to be enshrined.
I am not sure that will matter. Football HOF voters have their issues, but don't get on nearly as high a horse as baseball HOF voters (who I have no respect for). The occasional PED suspension doesn't seem to really affect how football players are viewed, at least from what I can tell.
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Regarding Rivers, I feel like he doesn’t really get enough credit. He never had a complete team around him and often was forced to carry inadequate Chargers teams. He’s like the AFC version of Romo. He’s the least successful of the big three quarterbacks drafted in 2004, but if you analyze the careers of Big Ben and Eli, you’ll see that most of their success came because they had a great team around them. The Giants won Super Bowl 42 because the defense sacked Brady six times and held one of the best offenses in NFL history to 14 points. The Steelers won Super Bowl 40 in spite of Roethlisberger, who set a record for worst passer rating by a winning QB in Super Bowl history. Eli and Ben are surefire Hall of Famers, possibly even first ballot Hall of Famers, yet Rivers has the more consistent stats. He just never had the great team around him like Ben and Eli did, save for 2006 and 2009. A lot of the Chargers playoff failures didn’t fall on his shoulders (the 2009 AFC Divisional Round loss to the Jets where Nate Kaeding missed three field goals in a game that they lost by 3 points comes to mind). Meanwhile, he carried some mediocre Chargers teams to moderate success, like taking the 2007 Chargers to the AFC Championship and playing the entire game with a torn ACL. Rivers is one of the best examples I can think of when talking about how individual performance matters. Football is the ultimate team game, and championship success doesn’t always dictate who the best players are. Sometimes a great team can carry a mediocre player to a title. It’s how guys like Trent Dilfer and Jeff Hostetler have a ring while guys like Dan Marino and Tony Gonzalez don’t. Philip Rivers has had a great career and had more individual success than both Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger, but because he’s the only one of the three without a championship (at least as of this writing), his career will never be held in the same regard as them, which is a cruel fate for the most talented of the three QB’s who ended up on the worst team.
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I'll agree that Ben had better teams around him than Rivers, but people tend to forget some things. Ben's play in the playoff run up to the SB against the Seahawks was quite good, but everyone ignores that because of his poor play in the final game. Then the other two seasons that they made it to a SB his playing ability also carried them through.
Keep in mind, the steelers had exceptional defenses throughout the 90's as well. Yet they couldn't get a ring until he entered the picture.
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Regarding Rivers, I feel like he doesn’t really get enough credit. He never had a complete team around him and often was forced to carry inadequate Chargers teams. He’s like the AFC version of Romo. He’s the least successful of the big three quarterbacks drafted in 2004, but if you analyze the careers of Big Ben and Eli, you’ll see that most of their success came because they had a great team around them. The Giants won Super Bowl 42 because the defense sacked Brady six times and held one of the best offenses in NFL history to 14 points. The Steelers won Super Bowl 40 in spite of Roethlisberger, who set a record for worst passer rating by a winning QB in Super Bowl history. Eli and Ben are surefire Hall of Famers, possibly even first ballot Hall of Famers, yet Rivers has the more consistent stats. He just never had the great team around him like Ben and Eli did, save for 2006 and 2009. A lot of the Chargers playoff failures didn’t fall on his shoulders (the 2009 AFC Divisional Round loss to the Jets where Nate Kaeding missed three field goals in a game that they lost by 3 points comes to mind). Meanwhile, he carried some mediocre Chargers teams to moderate success, like taking the 2007 Chargers to the AFC Championship and playing the entire game with a torn ACL. Rivers is one of the best examples I can think of when talking about how individual performance matters. Football is the ultimate team game, and championship success doesn’t always dictate who the best players are. Sometimes a great team can carry a mediocre player to a title. It’s how guys like Trent Dilfer and Jeff Hostetler have a ring while guys like Dan Marino and Tony Gonzalez don’t. Philip Rivers has had a great career and had more individual success than both Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger, but because he’s the only one of the three without a championship (at least as of this writing), his career will never be held in the same regard as them, which is a cruel fate for the most talented of the three QB’s who ended up on the worst team.
But to that... I would argue that performance on the field that translates into lights out stats is not necessarily the performance on the field that translates into WINS. We can talk all day long about how great an athlete Romo is - and he is - but there's a point where the linebacker subconsciously knows he can take that chance, play with abandon, and turn in that great play knowing his QB is not going to do anything stupid, is not going to choke and no matter what, they'll still be in the game. Brady does FAR more for New England than just taking snaps, handing off, and throwing 30-yard slant routes to Gronk. That defense practices against Brady every week. Brady makes his defense better. (And lest you think I'm just fellating Brady, you could plug Ben, Manning (Peyton), Montana, Elway, McMahon, Aikman, Bradshaw... there's probably a half dozen others that fall into this list. QBs who have their teams back; there are a lot of things you can say about Rivers - and Marino - but I'm not sure that's one of them.) Ask any of those players on those Marino team - and by the way, don't say they didn't have good teams around him; they were coached by perhaps the greatest coach in history until Belichick came along and Marks Duper and Clayton are nothing to sneeze at - whether they'd trade 15 of those 48 or 44 TDs for a Super Bowl ring and see what they'd say.
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Don't know how much play we'll get on the weekend... but I said 32ish days, so here we are.
Today's team is the Los Angeles/San Diego Chargers.
I was gutted for the fans in San Diego. Sucks to lose your franchise.
Mt. Rushmore for me would be L.T., Junior Seau, Fouts & Rivers
Memorable games. The one Kev brought up a few days ago against Miami. Of course they had another classic playoff tilt years before that, but way before my time. Was certainly rooting for them in Super Bowl 29, but they were clearly on the wrong side of history for that one.
Uniforms... I'm an odd ball.... so for some reason the power blues aren't my favorite look... rather liked their look in the 90s.
My top Chargers games were the two playoff games against Miami and Cincinnati. Also, when I was in 7th or 8th grade, I was in the band. We had a concert with the school choir. When the choir performed, they would walk out to the front of the stage in front of the band, and we would stay in our seats. Someone had a portable radio built into a set of headphones, and we were listening to what I assume was Monday Night Football. At some point, San Diego scored, and I loudly blurted out, "Touchdown San Diego!!" Don't remember anything else about the game.
This is a tough Mt. Rushmore. Difficult to leave off guys like Lance Alworth and Kellen Winslow, but I'm not sure which of the four listed I would replace.
Gates, Shawne Merriman, Charlie Joiner, even Rolf Benirschke... all belong on there before Rivers.
ROTFL!!! Are you that big of a Wheel of Fortune fan?
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Not that (though I must note: Pat Sajak has the biggest head I've ever seen) but rather that he had a "Kock pouch" procedure and came back and led the Chargers in career scoring. No one should have to go through a "Kock pouch" procedure.
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I'm the only chargers fan listed in the forum so i'll try to be subjective. My hall of fame is, winslow, fouts, alworth, rivers, seau, LT, gates. would love to add bosa to that eventually
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I'm the only chargers fan listed in the forum so i'll try to be subjective. My hall of fame is, winslow, fouts, alworth, rivers, seau, LT, gates. would love to add bosa to that eventually
I will believe it when you sing the "San Diego Super Chargers" song and post a video. :lol I kid!
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thats hilarious! i have been known to randomly put that in a bass line from time to time during a live jam.
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Get out! That's awesome! I remember a guy posting a video of him singing it in a powder blue Mucha Lucha mask and suit. It was hilarious.
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oh man that is hilarious! i'm definitely not extroverted enough to do that... in public
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Today's team, the Houston Texans.
Starting play in 2002, the Texans got the league back to an even number of teams. No more week 1 or week 17 bye weeks for anyone!
The Oilers bolted for Tennessee in the mid-90s, and it was a relatively short wait to get a team back in one of the biggest markets in the country.
My Mount Rushmore would be Andre Johnson, J.J. Watt, DeAndre Hopkins, DeMeco Ryans
Helmets and jerseys are okay. I preferred the white helmet that was in Madden 2002....
Memorable game.... recall a game with them and Jacksonville ending on a hail mary. Also was good to see them finally beat Indy.
This may be the next power in the AFC, if Watson is able to bounce back from his injury. Team is loaded and always needed a QB to get over the hump.
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Today's team, the Houston Texans.
Starting play in 2002, the Texans got the league back to an even number of teams. No more week 1 or week 17 bye weeks for anyone!
The Oilers bolted for Tennessee in the mid-90s, and it was a relatively short wait to get a team back in one of the biggest markets in the country.
My Mount Rushmore would be Andre Johnson, J.J. Watt, DeAndre Hopkins, DeMeco Ryans
Helmets and jerseys are okay. I preferred the white helmet that was in Madden 2002....
Memorable game.... recall a game with them and Jacksonville ending on a hail mary. Also was good to see them finally beat Indy.
I don't even know who DeMeco Ryans is. I had to google to come up with a Mt. Rushmore: Watt, Johnson, Arian Foster and Brian Cushing. The biggest surprise is that this team has been around since 2002. If you'd asked me five minutes ago, I'd have guessed maybe 2008 or so. Can't think of a single memorable game.
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I will say that Wilson vs. Watson from last year was one of the most exciting games of the regular season.
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The Texans are a team I always think they've turned a corner and will become a perennial favorite and never get over that hump.
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The Texans are a team I always think they've turned a corner and will become a perennial favorite and never get over that hump.
Same here. They always seem to be on the verge.
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You should internet, Twitter more.
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Regarding Rivers, I feel like he doesn’t really get enough credit. He never had a complete team around him and often was forced to carry inadequate Chargers teams.
You made a lot of valid points in that post but I had to single out this part because Rivers definitely had a complete team in 2006 and 2009 off the top of my head. Both teams were one and done because Rivers couldn't do enough to lead them to victories against inferior opponents. I know he got some bad breaks (fumbled punt return in the Patriots game and Nate Kaeding missing a bunch of kicks in the Jets game), but both were one possession games when it was all said and done. Rivers was average at best in both games. I have a lot of respect for him at this point but Rivers always seems to underwhelm in playoff games unlike Eli or Ben. You also mentioned him taking the 2007 Chargers to the AFC Championship game, but Billy Volek actually engineered the game winning drive against the Colts at Indianapolis in the divisional round. I really can't think of a time when Rivers took over a playoff game like I've seen Ben or Eli do. Maybe I'm missing one because I'm too lazy to look it up right now :lol
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Today's Team - The Jacksonville Jaguars
Only in business since the mid 90s, the Jaguars have more trips to their conference Championship Game (3) then many other teams during the same time period. The team looks to be on the rise after a long period of suck.
My Mount Rushmore = Tony Boselli, Mark Brunell, Fred Taylor, Jimmy Smith. Honorable mention to Tom Coughlin, and acknowledgment that Jalen Ramsey has the potential to be even better than all the others.
Loved their original uniforms/helmets. The two-color helmets were horrid. Glad to see them get rid of them.
Memorable games... that playoff win vs. Denver, and the two wins vs. Pittsburgh last year.
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Second the love for Coughlin.
I'm mystified by how the Giants under him (with Manning, who I consider the real deal) were so up and down, but they do have two Super Bowls, and while everyone remembers "New England! HELMET! Manningham! Don't score!" for those, they were championship caliber seasons. I think that up and down is the only thing that keep Coughlin from being mentioned among the greatest coaches of all time.
My two cents.
Oh, and Fred Taylor.
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Future Hall of Famer and all-time great Blake Bortles has to be on the Jags Mount Rushmore.
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Today's Team - The Jacksonville Jaguars
Only in business since the mid 90s, the Jaguars have more trips to their conference Championship Game (3) then many other teams during the same time period. The team looks to be on the rise after a long period of suck.
My Mount Rushmore = Tony Boselli, Mark Brunell, Fred Taylor, Jimmy Smith. Honorable mention to Tom Coughlin, and acknowledgment that Jalen Ramsey has the potential to be even better than all the others.
Loved their original uniforms/helmets. The two-color helmets were horrid. Glad to see them get rid of them.
Memorable games... that playoff win vs. Denver, and the two wins vs. Pittsburgh last year.
Since "memorable" doesn't necessarily mean good, I suppose Denver's loss in the playoffs is probably the most memorable Jags game (the only other Jags game I can remember at all is the playoff game against Pittburgh.
As far as a Mt. Rushmore, the first name that comes to mind when I think of the Jags is Mark Brunell. Other names that come to mind are Maurice Jones-Drew, Tony Boselli and Fred Taylor, so that sounds good.
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Some memorable games for me (that haven't already been mentioned) include the win vs the Colts in 2006 towards the end of the season when Jones Drew and Taylor ran all over them. Jones Drew and Taylor combined for 297 rushing yards and 3 rushing TDs on a combined 24 carries! That same season the Jags went into Pittsburgh and beat them in the Wild Card round, which was also a really fun game to watch.
I think Maurice Jones Drew deserves an honorable mention here, he had some really excellent seasons with them and carried their offense on his back for years. From 2009-2011 he had over 1,300 rushing yards each season and 34 total touchdowns in that 3 year span :o
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Future Hall of Famer and all-time great Blake Bortles has to be on the Jags Mount Rushmore.
This is why we can't have nice things :lol
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Future Hall of Famer and all-time great Blake Bortles has to be on the Jags Mount Rushmore.
This is why we can't have nice things :lol
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Future Hall of Famer and all-time great Blake Bortles has to be on the Jags Mount Rushmore.
This is why we can't have nice things :lol
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Don't mind me, I'm just being silly.
Bottles shredding the Steelers secondary really wasn't that surprising in hind sight. In fact, outside of the eagles in the NFC championship game I didn't notice very much impressive defensive play by any team in last year's playoffs. The Patriots were good at times, but that was partly due to their opponents.
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There is no shame in getting shredded by Blake Bortles. There’s gonna come a day, likely very soon, where even guys like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Joe Montana are all gonna wish they had played the QB position as well as Blake Bortles did.
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There is no shame in getting shredded by Blake Bortles. There’s gonna come a day, likely very soon, where even guys like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Joe Montana are all gonna wish they had played the QB position as well as Blake Bortles did.
:lol
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There is no shame in getting shredded by Blake Bortles. There’s gonna come a day, likely very soon, where even guys like Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Joe Montana are all gonna wish they had played the QB position as well as Blake Bortles did.
Get this man into the concussion protocol right away! :lol
Kev, stop using sarcasm. You'll confuse many here! :lol
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I'm so petty; I just have a hard time rooting for a guy named "Blake Bortles". Doesn't roll off the tongue like "Bradshaw", or "Staubach" or "Montana"... those sound like sheriffs from the wild, wild west that you wouldn't f*** with. "Bortles" sounds like something from "Barney the Purple Dinosaur".
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Today's team - The Atlanta Falcons!
If anyone hasn't caught on, or hasn't cared too, every team so far has failed to win a league championship. Atlanta was tantalizingly close to getting one. No, not at Super Bowl XXXIII, where they stole Minnesota's ticket and got bitchslapped by the Broncos. Two seasons ago.... 28-3.... you know the rest.
My Mount Rushmore would be Deion Sanders, Michael Vick and Julio Jones as the no brainers. As far as a 4th goes... I'll give it to Jessie Tuggle, but it could have as easily have been Morten Anderson, Matt Ryan or maybe even Andre Rison.
Loved the 90s look of black jerseys and the helmets that went with 'em. Don't care much for the other jerseys.
Memorable games.... 28-3! The NFC Championship game against Minnesota. That playoff game where Vick won at Lambeau.
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Today's team - The Atlanta Falcons!
If anyone hasn't caught on, or hasn't cared too, every team so far has failed to win a league championship. Atlanta was tantalizingly close to getting one. No, not at Super Bowl XXXIII, where they stole Minnesota's ticket and got bitchslapped by the Broncos. Two seasons ago.... 28-3.... you know the rest.
My Mount Rushmore would be Deion Sanders, Michael Vick and Julio Jones as the no brainers. As far as a 4th goes... I'll give it to Jessie Tuggle, but it could have as easily have been Morten Anderson, Matt Ryan or maybe even Andre Rison.
Loved the 90s look of black jerseys and the helmets that went with 'em. Don't care much for the other jerseys.
Memorable games.... 28-3! The NFC Championship game against Minnesota. That playoff game where Vick won at Lambeau.
"This one's for [the fans]!" Pat Bowlen, 1/31/99
To me, that's the most memorable Falcons games. Super Bowl 51 would be next on the list.
Mount Rushmore: Steve Bartkowski, Matt Ryan, Deion "Give me a 'U'!" Sanders and Tim Mazzetti.
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Having lived in Atlanta for about five years (and my next door neighbor was an elderly southern widow who was a season ticket holder since if not the first season, at least back from when they really sucked.
Mike Vick is nowhere near my Mt. Rushmore. He and Phillip Rivers might want to carpool to the park, because they are in the same boat (and for similar reasons). Vick is the epitome of the "great athlete" (he's world class, no doubt) but "average football player" dichotomy.
My Mt. Rushmore:
Sanders, Van Note, Ryan, Jones. Anderson, Bartkowski Chris Chandler (who I like but wasn't that great) and Favre* get honorable mentions.
(* Favre was drafted by the Falcons, and played all of five snaps: four pass attempts, no completions, two interceptions (one returned for a TD) and the other snap was a sack for a loss.)
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Sanders, Van Note, Ryan, Jones. Anderson, Bartkowski Chris Chandler (who I like but wasn't that great) and Favre* get honorable mentions.
I assume you're talking about Julio, not June (who was Bartkowski's backup for four seasons before he coached the team), but who is "Anderson"? Did you mean Morten Andersen?
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I'd probably go with Dogkiller, Deion, Andersen, and Tuggle.
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Sanders, Van Note, Ryan, Jones. Anderson, Bartkowski Chris Chandler (who I like but wasn't that great) and Favre* get honorable mentions.
I assume you're talking about Julio, not June (who was Bartkowski's backup for four seasons before he coached the team), but who is "Anderson"? Did you mean Morten Andersen?
Jones is Julio. Anderson is Morten Andersen; I had both he and Jamaal down and deleted the wrong one when editing my list of also-rans.
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Sanders, Van Note, Ryan, Jones. Anderson, Bartkowski Chris Chandler (who I like but wasn't that great) and Favre* get honorable mentions.
I assume you're talking about Julio, not June (who was Bartkowski's backup for four seasons before he coached the team), but who is "Anderson"? Did you mean Morten Andersen?
Jones is Julio. Anderson is Morten Andersen; I had both he and Jamaal down and deleted the wrong one when editing my list of also-rans.
I figured it was Morten, but I couldn't could rule out there being an "Anderson" that I wasn't thinking of (Jamaal didn't come to mind). ;-)
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I'd put Roddy White on the Falcons list before Vick. He fell off the cliff fast, but he was tremendous from 2007-2012:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WhitRo00.htm
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Today's team, the last team with out a NFL Championship/Super Bowl Championship, the Minnesota Vikings! Despite making 4 Super Bowls, they've never won the big one, nor have they been back to the big game since the 70s.
My Mount Rushmore: Fran Tarkenton, Cris Carter, Randy Moss, Adrian Peterson
Always liked their uniforms, helmets. Certainly unique, being the only purple team for decades, and now, one of only two.
Memorable games for me.... their game vs. the Chargers in 2007 saw multiple records broken. A lot of heartbreak in their recent NFC Championship games. Of course, the end of the Divisional round game vs. New Orleans last year was bonkers! Looking forward to seeing how they do with Cousins under center.
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Fran gets a lot of credit for leading those 70's teams, and rightfully so. But their defense was one of the greatest of all time.
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My top four?
Randall Cunningham, Dante Culpepper, Brad Johnson, and Chris Kluwe. HAHA, not.
Seriously, Fran Tarkenton, Mick Tinglehoff, Alan Page, and Adrian Peterson, with the second tier: Randy Moss, Chuck Foreman, Carl Eller, Chris Doleman, Paul Krause, and Jim Marshall.
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I hate Cris Carter, so the only list I would put him on is the Mount Rushmore of douchebags.
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I hate Cris Carter, so the only list I would put him on is the Mount Rushmore of douchebags.
I wouldn't mind seeing who else is on that mount Rushmore.
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I hate Cris Carter, so the only list I would put him on is the Mount Rushmore of douchebags.
I wouldn't mind seeing who else is on that mount Rushmore.
I would have to think about it a little bit, to be honest. Cris Carter and Scottie Pippen have long been the two pro athletes who would definitely make that kind of Mount Rushmore. Off the top of my head, contenders for the other two spots would include Cam Newton, Draymond Green, Brent Seabrook, Hines Ward and Kobe Bryant.
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No Boston players Kev? I'm shocked! :lol
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David Ortiz would be the guy closest to making it, but he'd be an alternate at best. :lol :lol
None of the Patriots are hatable douchebags or anything like that.
Most of my hatred for hockey players stems from playoff battles with the Blues (Kris Draper would have made the list 20 years ago), and the Bruins are in the other conference, so there ya go.
The Celtics are the one Boston team I kinda like (Larry Bird is one of my favorite players ever).
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I loved Kris Draper. And Brent Seabrook, for that matter.
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My negative Mount Rushmore is easy:
Cam Newton, Cam Newton, Cam Newton, Cam Newton.
Seriously: Cam Newton, Nhadamukong Suh, Vontaze Burfect, Johnny Manziel. Jay Cutler, Marshawn Lynch, and Terrel Owens are up for consideration.
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My negative Mount Rushmore starts and ends with Tom Brady. He has caused so much misery in my 24 years on this planet that he overshadows every other player who has ever done something to make me angry.
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My negative Mount Rushmore starts and ends with Tom Brady. He has caused so much misery in my 24 years on this planet that he overshadows every other player who has ever done something to make me angry.
This makes me happy. It will end soon.
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With apologies to the Steamrollers, Yellow Jackets, Bulldogs and Pros, we will move on to the other teams with one league championship, the ones that still exist, that is.
Our next time is the New York Jets.
League Championships - 1 (1968)
Winners of Super Bowl III, one of the two most important football games, according to many. It's been a rough 50 seasons since then. No trips back to the big game. A long, long stint in QB hell. Hopefully for them, Darnold proves to be the real deal.
My Mount Rushmore would be: Joe Namath, Mark Gastineau, Don Maynard, Curtis Martin. Honorable mention to Kevin Mawae and Revis Island.
Uniforms/Helmets - I'm a weirdo that likes what they were wearing in the 80s and most of the 90s. But their current/classic look is good as well.
Memorable games. In my life time? Not many.......
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Was just coming in to post "butt fumble". Glad it was captured already.
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Funny how that's immediately what I thought of as well for memorable moments. As a local to this team, it is a really sad thing to be a Jets fan. My father is one, and I think growing up in the 90s, it just made sense to be a Giants fan as a kid. There was never anything about the Jets I found remotely interesting, but I do actually root for them. I don't consider them Giants rivals so I like seeing them do well and give their fans something to be happy about, the sad part is, whatever happiness they get is usually destroyed by some other fall out. I kind of expect Darnold to be the next thing for Jets fans to be crying about for ages and being mad at the Giants about. Hopefully thats not the case for their sake.
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Funny how that's immediately what I thought of as well for memorable moments. As a local to this team, it is a really sad thing to be a Jets fan. My father is one, and I think growing up in the 90s, it just made sense to be a Giants fan as a kid. There was never anything about the Jets I found remotely interesting, but I do actually root for them. I don't consider them Giants rivals so I like seeing them do well and give their fans something to be happy about, the sad part is, whatever happiness they get is usually destroyed by some other fall out. I kind of expect Darnold to be the next thing for Jets fans to be crying about for ages and being mad at the Giants about. Hopefully thats not the case for their sake.
Do you think you'd ever actively hate on the Jets, perhaps if they went on a run like New England has? If I were a Giants fan, I'd imagine I'd be okay with them getting another Championship, but that would be it.
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Funny how that's immediately what I thought of as well for memorable moments. As a local to this team, it is a really sad thing to be a Jets fan. My father is one, and I think growing up in the 90s, it just made sense to be a Giants fan as a kid. There was never anything about the Jets I found remotely interesting, but I do actually root for them. I don't consider them Giants rivals so I like seeing them do well and give their fans something to be happy about, the sad part is, whatever happiness they get is usually destroyed by some other fall out. I kind of expect Darnold to be the next thing for Jets fans to be crying about for ages and being mad at the Giants about. Hopefully thats not the case for their sake.
Do you think you'd ever actively hate on the Jets, perhaps if they went on a run like New England has? If I were a Giants fan, I'd imagine I'd be okay with them getting another Championship, but that would be it.
Not really, unless they beat the Giants in the superbowl, but maybe if they hired another cocky coach who tried to force a rivaly. The only time I was routing against the Jets was when Rex Ryan was running his mouth about how they were so much better and the team in NY now blah blah blah and then it felt great to smack them in the face on Christmas Eve and go on to win a Superbowl while that loss sent the Jets home and out of the playoff scenario.
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Yeah, Rex Ryan sure made it easy to hate the Jets.
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Let me vouch for Cram on this. I grew up a Giants fan; my dad and my uncle are DIE HARD Giant fans and have been since they were kids. They still lament that game in '58 (the "Greatest Game Ever Played") where Alan Ameche scored against the Gints in overtime. But there was almost zero animosity against the Jets, and they were even happy when Namath won Super Bowl III (though I think there was some come-uppance there, since it was the Colts that they beat). Plus, in the mid-70's, when there was some kerfluffle with stadia (the Giants used to play football in the '50's and '60's at Yankee Stadium, and that ended in, I think, '74, and the Jets played at Shea but by arrangement couldn't play there until the Mets season was over, that ended in '77 or '78) they decided to both play in Giants Stadium, so there was more camaraderie than rivalry.
For me: Namath, Maynard (nice call, Destiny!), John Riggins, and Martin. Honorable mention to Gastineau and Joe Klecko.
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Can't argue too much with your Mount Rushmore. I'd probably put D'Brickashaw Ferguson in the honorable mentions, dude was an absolute rock for us for a decade and it still blows my mind that playing in the trenches he only missed one snap in his whole career (and that was only because he was subbed out for a desperation trick play on the final snap of a game).
I think the fact that my first specific memory of being a Jets fan is being nine and getting trolled by my dad (a Giants fan) about the Jets not losing for once during their 1-15 season (it was their bye week) pretty well sums up being a Jets fan in general :lol We've had a few really good teams in my lifetime (Kev, that 98 Conference Championship game still haunts me), and some really bad luck (Testaverde hurting his foot to start the 99 season, Favre hurting his arm in 08). I like the current Bowles/Maccagnan duo running things, so hopefully Darnold pans out and we're a contender again in another year or two.
Yeah, Rex Ryan sure made it easy to hate the Jets.
Absolutely loved him in 2009 and 2010 when the team backed up his talk. Losing both of those conference title games killed me for different reasons, and I think we would have been competitive in both Super Bowls. Started to sour on him when the play/results slipped but he kept running his mouth. Definitely see why everyone else disliked him though. I do think it was funny that Giants fans in particular seemed to not like him because the Jets were getting more attention than they were used to :lol
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I was a nervous wreck during the whole first half of that 1998 AFCCG, but once the Broncos took the lead in the 3rd Q, I knew we had it. :biggrin:
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Yeah, Rex Ryan sure made it easy to hate the Jets.
Absolutely loved him in 2009 and 2010 when the team backed up his talk. Losing both of those conference title games killed me for different reasons, and I think we would have been competitive in both Super Bowls. Started to sour on him when the play/results slipped but he kept running his mouth. Definitely see why everyone else disliked him though. I do think it was funny that Giants fans in particular seemed to not like him because the Jets were getting more attention than they were used to :lol
I actually really liked Rex Ryan at first too. He had a big mouth but backed it up those two seasons. It was when he turned his eyes towards the Giants who really weren't worth him picking a fight with, he knew they played that season and it could (and it did) have playoff implications so I guess that's why he went that direction, but that was what turned me off. Them making the AFCCG was a fine enough reason to be getting more attention in the media than the Giants. That never bothered me personally.
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Today's team, the last team with out a NFL Championship/Super Bowl Championship, the Minnesota Vikings! Despite making 4 Super Bowls, they've never won the big one, nor have they been back to the big game since the 70s.
My Mount Rushmore: Fran Tarkenton, Cris Carter, Randy Moss, Adrian Peterson
Always liked their uniforms, helmets. Certainly unique, being the only purple team for decades, and now, one of only two.
Memorable games for me.... their game vs. the Chargers in 2007 saw multiple records broken. A lot of heartbreak in their recent NFC Championship games. Of course, the end of the Divisional round game vs. New Orleans last year was bonkers! Looking forward to seeing how they do with Cousins under center.
I never saw any of the Vikings Super Bowls. I didn't start watching football until after Super Bowl 11.
For a Mt. Rushmore, I would go with Alan Page (the only man to be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame and be a state supreme court justice), Fran Tarkenton, Randall McDaniel and Randy Moss.
Memorable games: the only one that comes to mind is the one where Gary Anderson missed the chip shot kick, which I think sent Atlanta to the Super Bowl.
With apologies to the Steamrollers, Yellow Jackets, Bulldogs and Pros, we will move on to the other teams with one league championship, the ones that still exist, that is.
Our next time is the New York Jets.
League Championships - 1 (1968)
Winners of Super Bowl III, one of the two most important football games, according to many. It's been a rough 50 seasons since then. No trips back to the big game. A long, long stint in QB hell. Hopefully for them, Darnold proves to be the real deal.
My Mount Rushmore would be: Joe Namath, Mark Gastineau, Don Maynard, Curtis Martin. Honorable mention to Kevin Mawae and Revis Island.
Uniforms/Helmets - I'm a weirdo that likes what they were wearing in the 80s and most of the 90s. But their current/classic look is good as well.
Memorable games. In my life time? Not many.......
Super Bowl 3 is easily the most memorable Jets game, but I wasn't yet 15 months old, so it's obviously not personally memorable. For personal reasons, I remember the 2011 playoff game when Mark Sanchez led the Jets over the Patriots (one of only two opening round losses for the Patriots in the Brady era). That's about it, although I have a vague recollection of the Broncos spanking the Jets one year before playing Cleveland in the AFC Championship Game.
As far as Mt. Rushmore: Joe Namath, Kevin Mawae, Mark Gastineau and Curtis Martin (although Maynard could easily make it).
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I was a nervous wreck during the whole first half of that 1998 AFCCG, but once the Broncos took the lead in the 3rd Q, I knew we had it. :biggrin:
I was in the Bahamas that weekend on a work thing (back in the days when companies had more money than brains - or ethics sometimes!). There were a TON of shit-your-pants drunk NY clowns there, constantly shouting J-E-T-S ... JETS/JETS/JETS. God they were obnoxious. Was so glad Denver put a beatin on them in the 2nd half.
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Memorable games: the only one that comes to mind is the one where Gary Anderson missed the chip shot kick, which I think sent Atlanta to the Super Bowl.
People love to blame that loss on Gary Anderson, but while that FG would have given them a 10-point lead with just over 2 minutes left, the defense then let the Falcons drive down for tying score, and then their record-setting offense had (I think) 3 possessions at the end of regulation and OT and was unable to get in position to win the game. That game was there for the offense to win and they blew it.
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I was in the Bahamas that weekend on a work thing (back in the days when companies had more money than brains - or ethics sometimes!). There were a TON of shit-your-pants drunk NY clowns there, constantly shouting J-E-T-S ... JETS/JETS/JETS. God they were obnoxious. Was so glad Denver put a beatin on them in the 2nd half.
You and me both. Terrell Davis put the hurting on Belichick's defense that day. :hat :coolio
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RIP Dwight Clark...
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That catch was my first, favorite moment in football as a kid. I was 13. R.I.P. Dwight.
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Yeah, I was just reading about him. Fuck ALS.
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My favorite Jets memory is when I got to see the Broncos for the first time in person at the Meadowlands back in 2008. That was the year Favre was a Jet and the Broncos were pretty big underdogs. It was a gloomy, windy and rainy day and Jay Cutler tore them apart for over 350 yards and 2 TDs. It's funny how Cutler always manages to have one or two games like that every season where he plays brilliant football. I was lucky to see that Jay show up for my first Bronco game. :lol
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My favorite Jets memory is January 16th, 2011, when the Jets knocked the Patriots out of the playoffs. I don’t think I moved a muscle for that whole game out of sheer stress, but when Mark Sanchez took that final knee, I felt something I had never felt before as a Jets fan: pure elation. Sure that would be spoiled 7 days later as I felt my greatest heartbreak as a Jets fan, but that game in Foxborough will stay with me forever.
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The Kansas City Chiefs
League Championships 1 (1969)
Up next are the Chiefs...a team that I've been hoping would be able to break up the recent New England/Pittsburgh dominance of the AFC. They have looked amazing at times, and terrible at times. Now Coach Reid is turning his young QB loose and seeing what he can do.
My Mount Rushmore would be Lamar Hunt, Len Dawson, Tony Gonzalez and Derrick Thomas
Love the uniforms and think that the helmet might be the best in the league.
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The Kansas City Chiefs
League Championships 1 (1969)
Up next are the Chiefs...a team that I've been hoping would be able to break up the recent New England/Pittsburgh dominance of the AFC. They have looked amazing at times, and terrible at times. Now Coach Reid is turning his young QB loose and seeing what he can do.
My Mount Rushmore would be Lamar Hunt, Len Dawson, Tony Gonzalez and Derrick Thomas
Love the uniforms and think that the helmet might be the best in the league.
I agree on the Mt. Rushmore, but swap out Willie Lanier for Lamar Hunt (players only for me).
Most memorable game probably has to be Super Bowl 4 -- the last game before the merger and cemented the AFL's status as a truly competitive league worthy of merging with the NFL. It's also a game that lives on in NFL Films footage by virtue of Hank Stram being miked up. Beyond that, most of the memorable Chiefs games are (semi-)recent playoff failures: the 1/4/98 divisional round loss to the Broncos that led to the Broncos first Super Bowl win, the 1/6/07 wild card game loss to the Colts, and the wild card game loss to Houston this past season.
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Yeah, I forgot to put my memorable games, but that Wild Card game against the Colts definitely tops the list for games I watched live. It's two regular season wins over New England stand out as well, the game that preceded "We're on to Cincinnati" and opening night last year. Of course New England went on to the Super Bowl in both instances, something Kansas City hasn't done in decades.
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Mt. Rushmore will be hard.
Lenny D.; Derrick Thomas; Priest Holmes; Tony Gonzalez... but Jan Stenerud, Willie Lanier, Buck Buchanan, Willie Roaf and Larry Johnson all deserve mention.
I'm saving Joe Montana for SF, and Marcus Allen for Oakland (though he won't make the Mt. Rushmore, I can tell you that right now).
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Mt. Rushmore will be hard.
Lenny D.; Derrick Thomas; Priest Holmes; Tony Gonzalez... but Jan Stenerud, Willie Lanier, Buck Buchanan, Willie Roaf and Larry Johnson all deserve mention.
Roaf only played for the Chiefs for a few years at the end of his career. I would say he deserves mention with the Saints, but not the Chiefs. Stenerud is a good one, although he's most memorable to me for kicks he missed than kicks he made.
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So the Ravens just got fined and 2 OTA days taken away. Must have done padded drills or something similar.
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Can't believe no one has mentioned Christian Okoye. KC has had some great RB's over the years.
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They had a great run of RB's. Toughest place to play most NFL players say.
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Priest Holmes had a short peak, but what a beast he was during that peak.
One of my favorite Chiefs moments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljKVNHzBiSs
:coolio :hat
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Can't believe no one has mentioned Christian Okoye. KC has had some great RB's over the years.
Dude had a six year career, exceeding 1,000 yards only twice (and one of those times by only 31 yards) and never scoring more than 12 touchdowns in a season. His best season was very good, but he's hardly a candidate for a "Mt. Rushmore" for a team with as much history as the Chiefs.
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As a Denver fan, there aren't many KC wins that I enjoy, but that opening night win over NE last season was awesome.
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Priest Holmes had a short peak, but what a beast he was during that peak.
One of my favorite Chiefs moments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljKVNHzBiSs
:coolio :hat
He and Peyton Manning carried me to two fantasy football wins in three years in a league I was in with some high school buddies.
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Julian Edelman 4 game suspension for PED's. The TB12 method eh?
Are we really surprised anymore when players are injured they take PED's to get back on the field?
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Julian Edelman 4 game suspension for PED's. The TB12 method eh?
Are we really surprised anymore when players are injured they take PED's to get back on the field?
I guess I'll stop taking him in my mock drafts....
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I'll be curious to find out what it was. I'm somewhat torn on PEDs. I'd just as soon see steroids banned from the game, but at this point who really understands what qualify nowadays. The stories of people taking normal supplements only to find there's some small component of a banned substance in there has made me a bit gun-shy about the way it's enforced. Thankfully, the NFL isn't the Olympics yet, but I don't want to see it heading down that path.
Also, blaming the TB Method seems like a reach. I don't pay much attention to it so you might be dead on, but it seems like if it were something Gurerro were handing out there'd be more people failing tests.
And I can't help but notice that the failed test happened shortly after the Kentucky Derby.
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El Barto. I was being sarcastic about the TB12 method. I was beating the haters to the punch.
If I ran the league all could use PED's when hurt. They destroy their bodies for our entertainment.
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And I can't help but notice that the failed test happened shortly after the Kentucky Derby.
Hmmm...I've never seen Julian Edelman and Justify in the same room at the same time....
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He got his horse steroids from Gronk's horse. :lol
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El Barto. I was being sarcastic about the TB12 method. I was beating the haters to the punch.
Why do you have to be a hater to question TB12 and Guererro? He is Edelman’s trainer isn’t he?
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El Barto. I was being sarcastic about the TB12 method. I was beating the haters to the punch.
Why do you have to be a hater to question TB12 and Guererro? He is Edelman’s trainer isn’t he?
Tim, come on now. You don't think that's the first thing other will say?
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El Barto. I was being sarcastic about the TB12 method. I was beating the haters to the punch.
If I ran the league all could use PED's when hurt. They destroy their bodies for our entertainment.
Yeah, time to reassess the performance benefits of Rotenone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdG-iTilWU
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El Barto. I was being sarcastic about the TB12 method. I was beating the haters to the punch.
Why do you have to be a hater to question TB12 and Guererro? He is Edelman’s trainer isn’t he?
Tim, come on now. You don't think that's the first thing other will say?
I would be surprised if players were allowed to take supplements from non-team trainers, just for this reason. If they are and Guererro has a hand in Edelman's suspension then a change would very definitely be in order.
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This is the first Pats player suspended for PED's in 10 years.
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In other news, this should surprise no one:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23723959/terrell-owens-declines-invitation-pro-football-hall-fame-induction-ceremony
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El Barto. I was being sarcastic about the TB12 method. I was beating the haters to the punch.
Why do you have to be a hater to question TB12 and Guererro? He is Edelman’s trainer isn’t he?
Tim, come on now. You don't think that's the first thing other will say?
I would be surprised if players were allowed to take supplements from non-team trainers, just for this reason. If they are and Guererro has a hand in Edelman's suspension then a change would very definitely be in order.
There is a list in the CBA that gives the banned substances.
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In other news, this should surprise no one:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/23723959/terrell-owens-declines-invitation-pro-football-hall-fame-induction-ceremony
Hurting his legacy, again.
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I think that's actually a pretty good reason. It'll look terrible for him because of who he is and what he's done, but I can certainly understand why somebody would take that stance.
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I think that's actually a pretty good reason. It'll look terrible for him because of who he is and what he's done, but I can certainly understand why somebody would take that stance.
Did I miss something? What is his reasoning? He doesn't want to be roasted by other inductees? He's whining because he feels he didn't get in quick enough? I'm not sure I agree that that's a legit stance.
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I think that's actually a pretty good reason. It'll look terrible for him because of who he is and what he's done, but I can certainly understand why somebody would take that stance.
You stated the answer. it's bad for him.
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I think that's actually a pretty good reason. It'll look terrible for him because of who he is and what he's done, but I can certainly understand why somebody would take that stance.
Did I miss something? What is his reasoning? He doesn't want to be roasted by other inductees? He's whining because he feels he didn't get in quick enough? I'm not sure I agree that that's a legit stance.
Yeah...I didn't see an actual reason given. Saying that he "wish[es] to celebrate what will be one of the most memorable days of [his] life, elsewhere" and "at a later date" simply begs the question. The worst part of it is that he felt the need "to publicly decline [the] invitation to attend the induction ceremony." It's one thing not to attend, but making a vague, public statement about it is nothing but attention-mongering. Epic douchebag.
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I'm already thinking ahead to the 49ers Mt. Rushmore. I mean, I think there are probably four easy choices. But there are so many potential legitimate runners-up that it's a shame don't make the cut, one of whom is Dwight Clark. Anyway, I don't mean to get ahead of myself...
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"... After visiting Canton earlier this year, I came to the realization that I wish to celebrate what will be one of the most memorable days of my life, elsewhere."
I think people are expected to "take one for the team." I think plenty of players would much rather throw a big-ass party of their own with friends, teammates, and family to celebrate the crowning achievement of their professional career.
If Troy Aikman had said he didn't really like the scene in Canton all that much would anybody have really had a problem with it?
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"... After visiting Canton earlier this year, I came to the realization that I wish to celebrate what will be one of the most memorable days of my life, elsewhere."
I think people are expected to "take one for the team." I think plenty of players would much rather throw a big-ass party of their own with friends, teammates, and family to celebrate the crowning achievement of their professional career.
It's not like he can't do both -- especially since he said he'll announce "where and when" this alternate celebration will occur.
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Owens is basically throwing a tantrum because they made him wait a few years. I would expect nothing less from him.
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I'm already thinking ahead to the 49ers Mt. Rushmore. I mean, I think there are probably four easy choices. But there are so many potential legitimate runners-up that it's a shame don't make the cut, one of whom is Dwight Clark. Anyway, I don't mean to get ahead of myself...
Your wait is caused by their success.....and their Mount Rushmore will rival any other franchise for sure. But if it's any consolation, we'll be talking about a team that beat a good, but not great 49er team en route to their only Super Bowl win.
Today 's team, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
League Championships: 1 (2002)
My Mount Rushmore would be Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, Ronde Barber & Lee Roy Selmon. Honorable mention to John Lynch, Warrick Dunn, Mike Alstott & Tony Dungy.
LOVE the creamsicles and original helmet. Also liked the pewter pirates re-branding. Not so sure about the current look.
Memorable games for me. The Eagles and Raider games during their Super Bowl run & MNF against the Colts in 2003.
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The most memorable Bucs regular season game I have seen was their win over the Rams in the 2000 season. That game was pure excitement from start to finish.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200012180tam.htm
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I'm already thinking ahead to the 49ers Mt. Rushmore. I mean, I think there are probably four easy choices. But there are so many potential legitimate runners-up that it's a shame don't make the cut, one of whom is Dwight Clark. Anyway, I don't mean to get ahead of myself...
Your wait is caused by their success.....and their Mount Rushmore will rival any other franchise for sure.
Oh, no worries. I'm not complaining. But Dwight Clark's passing got me thinking about it.
LOVE the creamsicles and original helmet. Also liked the pewter pirates re-branding. Not so sure about the current look.
I like the color scheme of the new look, but the design itself just doesn't work. The numbers look goofy, and the flag on the helmet is way too big.
Never did care for the original look all that much.
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My Mount Rushmore would be Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, John Lynch, and Lee Roy Selmon. Honorable mention to Doug Williams and Testaverde. I love Doug Williams.
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Today 's team, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
League Championships: 1 (2002)
My Mount Rushmore would be Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, Ronde Barber & Lee Roy Selmon. Honorable mention to John Lynch, Warrick Dunn, Mike Alstott & Tony Dungy.
LOVE the creamsicles and original helmet. Also liked the pewter pirates re-branding. Not so sure about the current look.
Memorable games for me. The Eagles and Raider games during their Super Bowl run & MNF against the Colts in 2003.
Mt. Rushmore: Lee Roy Selmon, Doug Williams, Warren Sapp and either Derrick Brooks or John Lynch
Memorable games would be the demolition of the Raiders in Super Bowl 37 and the NFC Championship Game leading up to Super Bowl 14. The Rams kicked three field goals for the only scoring in the game. It was such a BAD game.
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Today's team, the New Orleans Saints
1 League Championship (2009)
My Mount Rushmore would be Drew Brees, Willie Roaf, Archie Manning, Rickey Jackson
Jerseys and helmets aren't too great in my opinion. Bottom half in the league for sure.
For many years, this team was a laughing stock. A hurricane displaced them, but Drew Brees and company came back to New Orleans with a vengeance, becoming regular playoff contenders and grabbing a Super Bowl Championship along the way. Mired by controversy with "Bountygate" and last season, finding themselves on the wrong side of one of the craziest endings in playoff history the Saints have had many memorable moments. Memorable games for me would be the Wild Card game vs. the Rams after the 2000 season, that first MNF game back in New Orleans after the hurricane against Atlanta. Their Super Bowl Win and of course that game against the Vikings from this past postseason.
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See, I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Saints uniforms. LOVE them. (And I dig that picture with the "throw back jersey").
Mt. Rushmore: Brees; Manning; Andersen; and for the fourth spot, I love Chuck Muncie, Danny Abramowicz, Steve Gleason, Deuce McAlliser, Willie Roaf and Ricky Jackson, but for sentimental reasons, I go with Sam Mills.
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Today's team, the New Orleans Saints
1 League Championship (2009)
My Mount Rushmore would be Drew Brees, Willie Roaf, Archie Manning, Rickey Jackson
Jerseys and helmets aren't too great in my opinion. Bottom half in the league for sure.
For many years, this team was a laughing stock. A hurricane displaced them, but Drew Brees and company came back to New Orleans with a vengeance, becoming regular playoff contenders and grabbing a Super Bowl Championship along the way. Mired by controversy with "Bountygate" and last season, finding themselves on the wrong side of one of the craziest endings in playoff history the Saints have had many memorable moments. Memorable games for me would be the Wild Card game vs. the Rams after the 2000 season, that first MNF game back in New Orleans after the hurricane against Atlanta. Their Super Bowl Win and of course that game against the Vikings from this past postseason.
Not a lot of memorable games beyond Super Bowl 44.
Mt. Rushmore: Brees, Roaf, Archie Manning and Steve Gleason.
The uniforms are very good. The black and gold color scheme is cool and unique. The fleur-de-lis is simple and reflective of the city. Not sure what's not to like about them.
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Redditor who scooped everybody with the JE suspension yesterday is promising a far bigger story in a few hours. Dude might be FOS, but he did scoop all of the NLF heavyweight reporters by the better part of day yesterday, so you never know.
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Redditor who scooped everybody with the JE suspension yesterday is promising a far bigger story in a few hours. Dude might be FOS, but he did scoop all of the NLF heavyweight reporters by the better part of day yesterday, so you never know.
For a while there were TWO blockbuster stories supposedly on the horizon, one suspected of being a Gronk trade, though that has specifically denied by "those close to the situation".
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https://twitter.com/adamkurkjian
"From multiple sources, here's what I have re: the Gronk rumors. Told Belichick wanted to trade him. Offers on the table w both the Titans and 49ers. He and Robert Kraft had a closed-door meeting to discuss. Tom Brady threatened to retire if the deal went through. Kraft nixed it."
:omg:
Damn!
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Would have been awesome to see him reunited with the GOAT Jimmy G out in SF.
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It was flatly denied by Pats spokesman Stacy James emphatically. If theirs smoke he wouldn't do that.
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It was flatly denied by Pats spokesman Stacy James emphatically. If theirs smoke he wouldn't do that.
Yup, right after he got off the phone with Kraft. Seriously Joe, you believe Stacey James on this?
No way!
This was going down.
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I do. Because when there is something to it, they would work it with a no comment or spin it. Find it online Tim. It was that strong of a response.
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I would have been way cool with Trading Gronk. I wanted him gone six weeks ago.
The reason I'm having trouble with the whole thing is that I don't think BB would still be there if he weren't running the show as he's always been. All the rumors we've been hearing make it abundantly clear that TB runs the show and Bill is just there as a administrator. Does anybody think BB would still be there if that were the case? I don't. My hunch is that if all of the scuttlebutt we've been hearing were true we'd be talking about JMD's team and how the future might look while Bill putters around on the VII Rings. Moreover, I'm not sure that Kraft is that daft. I don't think he'd undersell the greatest coach ever in favor of a QB on his last legs. He's smart enough to know that you let Bill do his thing to future-proof the team, rather than jettison him for one last year with Brady. Bob Kraft is not Jerry Jones.
BTW, the Redditor who scooped everybody on the JE suspension just made one helluva guess. :lol On Wed he heard a rumor that something bad was fixing to happen, and he pulled the suspension right out of his ass and posted it that night. When it turned out to be true the next afternoon the rumor mill ran wild about who the mysterious inside source must be. I bring this guy up because the big story he was going to "break" this evening was that TB was lobbying hard to have JMD take over immediately. He's made clear that it was complete fiction. Had he done it, though, it'd be regarded as gospel tomorrow as SI and ESPN ran with it. Easy to see how these sorts of things spread.
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Ricky Williams has to be on the Saints Mt Rushmore, wedding dress and all.
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:lol
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El Barto. You would have loved hearing the 2 local sports radio stations waiting for his second Redit post at 5pm. :lol
It was glorious.
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I'm not sure how good of a career he had (I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment), but I always think kindly of Craig "Iron Head" Heyward when I think about the Saints. He'd probably be in "honorable mention" status for a lot of people.
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I'm not sure how good of a career he had (I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment), but I always think kindly of Craig "Iron Head" Heyward when I think about the Saints. He'd probably be in "honorable mention" status for a lot of people.
Dude certainly wins the "best nickname ever" award.
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I would have been way cool with Trading Gronk. I wanted him gone six weeks ago.
The reason I'm having trouble with the whole thing is that I don't think BB would still be there if he weren't running the show as he's always been. All the rumors we've been hearing make it abundantly clear that TB runs the show and Bill is just there as a administrator. Does anybody think BB would still be there if that were the case? I don't. My hunch is that if all of the scuttlebutt we've been hearing were true we'd be talking about JMD's team and how the future might look while Bill putters around on the VII Rings. Moreover, I'm not sure that Kraft is that daft. I don't think he'd undersell the greatest coach ever in favor of a QB on his last legs. He's smart enough to know that you let Bill do his thing to future-proof the team, rather than jettison him for one last year with Brady. Bob Kraft is not Jerry Jones.
BTW, the Redditor who scooped everybody on the JE suspension just made one helluva guess. :lol On Wed he heard a rumor that something bad was fixing to happen, and he pulled the suspension right out of his ass and posted it that night. When it turned out to be true the next afternoon the rumor mill ran wild about who the mysterious inside source must be. I bring this guy up because the big story he was going to "break" this evening was that TB was lobbying hard to have JMD take over immediately. He's made clear that it was complete fiction. Had he done it, though, it'd be regarded as gospel tomorrow as SI and ESPN ran with it. Easy to see how these sorts of things spread.
That's the one thing that makes no sense about the rumors; they all require a sea-change out of Brady to be true, and I just don't see that. Unless Giselle really is the second coming of Yoko Ono, it really doesn't make sense that Brady is going to put in 20 years of hard time, only to upset the apple cart when he has a chance to really make history that hasn't been seen since George Blanda. He's got the best coach of all time there, he's got one of the top five owners of all time there... Brady is a lot of things, but he's not stupid. The one caveat: I see Brady being smart enough and self aware enough to say "You trade my starting left tackle, and I retire", because he doesn't want or need to be "Michael Vick/Robert Griffen III" back there. But not Gronk. Yeah, he helps, and yeah, he changes the game for the Pats, but I have no doubt that Tom Brady knows their record with and without him on the field (at one point, they were 20-5 WITHOUT Gronkowki playing https://www.espn.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4808916/patriots-have-posted-20-5-record-in-games-without-rob-gronkowski)
I think we forget that Tom Brady has survived the losses of Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Corey Dillon, Aaron Hernandez, LeGarrett Blount (nine times), Nate Solder... I get it, Gronk is one for the ages, but I don't see Brady making that his "Little Big Horn".
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As far as the Mount Rushmore of the Saints, I think Jim Hasslett deserves some consideration. He really made them contenders for a stretch there. As a Rams fan I loved the rabid relationship between him and Martz.
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Today's team, the Seattle Seahawks!
1 League Championship (2013)
My Mount Rushmore would be Walter Jones, Steve Largent, Russell Wilson ,Earl Thomas
Honorable mention to Shaun Alexander, Patrick Kerney, Richard Sherman Bobby Wagner, Kam Chancellor and Beast Mode
Memorable games....All 3 Super Bowls were memorable for their own reasons. Matt Hasselbeck running his mouth after an OT cointoss against Green Bay in the playoffs. A wild shootout in Baltimore in 2003, and their NFC Playoff wins @Minnesota (Blair Walsh) and the NFC Championship games vs. SF and GB.
Loved their original uniforms and their 2002 overhaul.... 2012 Nike era? not so much, but I do like the highlighter green look.
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Man, I loved me some Zorn to Largent as a teen. Lefty kid loving a lefty QB.
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The Seahawks; I remember as a kid collecting football cards and getting the Bucs and the Seahawks. I think there were only about six or so cards for each team.
My Mt. Rushmore: Largent, Zorn, Alexander, and Wilson. Boz gets an honorable mention just for being a dick. I really don't like Lynch, so I put Alexander, and I'm not the hugest fan of Wilson, but he belongs there, no doubt. I suppose I could put Thomas there instead, but...
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Today's team, the Seattle Seahawks!
1 League Championship (2013)
My Mount Rushmore would be Walter Jones, Steve Largent, Russell Wilson ,Earl Thomas
Honorable mention to Shaun Alexander, Patrick Kerney, Richard Sherman Bobby Wagner, Kam Chancellor and Beast Mode
Memorable games....All 3 Super Bowls were memorable for their own reasons. Matt Hasselbeck running his mouth after an OT cointoss against Green Bay in the playoffs. A wild shootout in Baltimore in 2003, and their NFC Playoff wins @Minnesota (Blair Walsh) and the NFC Championship games vs. SF and GB.
Mt. Rushmore (hard to avoid recency bias here): Steve Largent, Jim Zorn, Russell Wilson Jr. III and either Earl Thomas or Marshawn Lynch.
Memorable games are Super Bowls 48 (sadly) and 49. I'll never forget the deflated feeling I had when it seemed that this obnoxious team was going to win two straight Super Bowls, following by bouncing off the couch when Malcolm Butler made the interception. Can't think of any others, even though, for a while, the Hawks were a division "rival" of the Broncos, but they were never on the same level as the other AFC West teams.
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Best play in Seahawks history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSOPrwb-mQc (background 0:00-1:30, Play starts at 1:30)
Seattle is a fair-weather sports fan base. Not as much history as other cities who have had their teams for decades longer, lots of transplants who weren't born and raised here. It was crazy to see how you were essentially an outcast if you weren't a DIE-HARD FAN of the team in 2013, when 9 out of 10 fans couldn't have named 3 players from the SBXL team. And now the fanbase has not only dwindled, but has been fractured due to the characters of some of the players (and one particular ex-player).
Regarding 2018, the championship window is closed. Enjoy the division Rams.
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Best play in Seahawks history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSOPrwb-mQc (background 0:00-1:30, Play starts at 1:30)
Weird... that link doesn't seem to go to Lynch's run against the Saints. Although that was still pretty bad ass.
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That run sparked their run. Put the Seahawks back on the map.
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Best play in Seahawks history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSOPrwb-mQc (background 0:00-1:30, Play starts at 1:30)
:lol Okay, yeah, that IS pretty cool.
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Regarding 2018, the championship window is closed. Enjoy the division Rams.
As long as one of them goes to the playoffs, I'm happy.
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We'll stick with the NFC West, as we move on to the teams with 2 league championships. Today we discuss the longest running professional football team in the United States, and one of only two NFL charter members still playing today.
The Arizona Cardinals, formally known as the Chicago/St.Louis/Phoenix Cardinals
2 League Championships (1925, 1947)
I don't know much about their pre-Phoenix days, so my Mount Rushmore would be Larry Fitzgerald, Kurt Warner, Aeneas Williams & Pat Tillman
Their uniforms are okay. Not bad, not great. Much preferred their look in the 90s/early 00s.
Memorable games for me were the Super Bowl, their two recent playoff games against the Packers. And "We let 'em off the hook" game against Chicago in 2006.
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I like the unis in the middle picture best. DO NOT like the ones in the bottom.
Mt. Rushmore: Kurt Warner (one of my favorite NFL players ever), Larry Fitzgerald, Dan Dierdorff, Ottis Anderson. Honorable mention: Pat Tillman, Jim Hart, Terry Metcalf, Conrad Dobler (Lloyd Dobler's dad), Jackie Smith and Roger Wehrli.
Carson Palmer doesn't make the list, because the Cardinals team under Bruce Arians could have been great, but I just don't think Palmer answered the bell, frankly.
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We'll stick with the NFC West, as we move on to the teams with 2 league championships. Today we discuss the longest running professional football team in the United States, and one of only two NFL charter members still playing today.
The Arizona Cardinals, formally known as the Chicago/St.Louis/Phoenix Cardinals
2 League Championships (1925, 1947)
I don't know much about their pre-Phoenix days, so my Mount Rushmore would be Larry Fitzgerald, Kurt Warner, Aeneas Williams & Pat Tillman
Their uniforms are okay. Not bad, not great. Much preferred their look in the 90s/early 00s.
Memorable games for me were the Super Bowl, their two recent playoff games against the Packers. And "We let 'em off the hook" game against Chicago in 2006.
Mt. Rushmore: Larry Fitzgerald, Kurt Warner, Patrick Peterson and Dan Dierdorf/Conrad Dobler. Roger Wehrli would be another good one. As for Tillman, sorry, but there's no way a guy who only played 3 3/4 seasons belongs on a "Mt. Rushmore."
Memorable game: Super Bowl 43 and not much else, although I remember really liking the way the Cardinals offense played in the late 1970s. Jim Hart throwing to guys like Mel Gray (I only saw Terry Metcalf for one season before he left for the CFL and then his one year with the Redskins after he returned).
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Yeah... I spaced out on Peterson. He's better than Williams was.
And Pat Tillman deserves any love that he gets. Dude was a legit hero.
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And Pat Tillman deserves any love that he gets. Dude was a legit hero.
I'm hesitant to argue the point, and he deserves credit for what he was, but not for what he wasn't. He had one slightly better than average season but was otherwise no better than an average player (and, again, one who played only 3 3/4 seasons and wasn't even a starter for half his career).
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And Pat Tillman deserves any love that he gets. Dude was a legit hero.
I'm hesitant to argue the point, and he deserves credit for what he was, but not for what he wasn't. He had one slightly better than average season but was otherwise no better than an average player (and, again, one who played only 3 3/4 seasons and wasn't even a starter for half his career).
You're right. If the Mount Rushmore is just on the field ability and accomplishments, he doesn't make the cut for sure.
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Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?
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Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?
Charles Haley?
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Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?
Charles Haley?
Eh, I think the Cowboys and 49ers franchises are way too storied for him to make it on either.
I thought about Deion Sanders, but there is no way I can put him on Dallas'.
Apologies for jumping the gun on teams we have not discussed yet, DOC.
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Morten Andersen. An argument could be made for Peyton.
I think the problem is that it says more about the team than it does the player. SF and Dallas have huge histories of great players. Arizona not so much. While it's definitely not a knock on Kurt Warner, he played on two teams with smaller stables of greats.
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Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?
Charles Haley?
Eh, I think the Cowboys and 49ers franchises are way too storied for him to make it on either.
I thought about Deion Sanders, but there is no way I can put him on Dallas'.
Apologies for jumping the gun on teams we have not discussed yet, DOC.
No need to apologize. Any discussion is welcome!
Morten Andersen. An argument could be made for Peyton.
I think the problem is that it says more about the team than it does the player. SF and Dallas have huge histories of great players. Arizona not so much. While it's definitely not a knock on Kurt Warner, he played on two teams with smaller stables of greats.
I agree with this. Depends on the teams. If Peyton Manning had led the Texans to a SB instead of going to Denver, he'd undoubtedly be on two Mount Rushmore.
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Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?
Controversial pick to stimulate conversation: Bill Romanowski.
Not controversial pick, but may not count because he's a coach: Don Shula.
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Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?
Controversial pick to stimulate conversation: Bill Romanowski.
Not controversial pick, but may not count because he's a coach: Don Shula.
Shula's a great choice. Very important to both the Colts and the Dolphins.
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Morten Andersen. An argument could be made for Peyton.
I think the problem is that it says more about the team than it does the player. SF and Dallas have huge histories of great players. Arizona not so much. While it's definitely not a knock on Kurt Warner, he played on two teams with smaller stables of greats.
Not a good one. Manning won't make the ring of honor in Denver, much less a hypothetical "Mt. Rushmore."
The relatively infrequency of player movement makes this a difficult question. Without spending an inordinate amount of time on this, and other than the couple mentioned already, I also thought of Doug Williams, although putting him on the 'Skins' "Mt. Rushmore" would probably be a bit of a stretch.
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Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?
Controversial pick to stimulate conversation: Bill Romanowski.
Not controversial pick, but may not count because he's a coach: Don Shula.
Shula's a great choice. Very important to both the Colts and the Dolphins.
Yup. Good call.
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Speaking of Shula......
Today's team, the Miami Dolphins
2 League Championships (1972, 1973)
Their perfect season is the stuff of legends. Marino was a monster in the 80s and just about all of the 90s. Since his departure, it's been bad times. A handful of playoff appearances and one playoff win that I can think of off the top of my head (over the Colts after the 2000 season).
My Mount Rushmore would be Don Shula, Dan Marino, Jason Taylor and Larry Csonka
Their classic uniforms are among my absolute favorite in professional sports history. Hate the modern tweaks.
Memorable games..... playoff games vs. the Chargers. A couple of regular season games vs. the Pats, particularly one in 2008 where they unveiled the "Wildcat".
As for the current Dolphins, I believe that they will have the worst record in the NFL in the upcoming season.
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Speaking of Shula......
Today's team, the Miami Dolphins
2 League Championships (1972, 1973)
Their perfect season is the stuff of legends. Marino was a monster in the 80s and just about all of the 90s. Since his departure, it's been bad times. A handful of playoff appearances and one playoff win that I can think of off the top of my head (over the Colts after the 2000 season).
My Mount Rushmore would be Don Shula, Dan Marino, Jason Taylor and Larry Csonka
Their classic uniforms are among my absolute favorite in professional sports history. Hate the modern tweaks.
Memorable games..... playoff games vs. the Chargers. A couple of regular season games vs. the Pats, particularly one in 2008 where they unveiled the "Wildcat".
As for the current Dolphins, I believe that they will have the worst record in the NFL in the upcoming season.
Dan Marino and his GIANT shoulder pads!
Mt. Rushmore: So many good ones that Marino is the only unassailable choice. For the other three, I'll go with Bob Kuechenberg, Jake Scott and Larry Csonka.
Memorable games: Super Bowls 7, 17 and 19 (7 was before my time but is notable for capping off the perfect season and for "Garo's Gaffe") and the 2OT playoff game against San Diego. I rooted for the Dolphins in 17 and 19, mostly because I liked their style of play much better than that of the Redskins and 49ers.
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Grudgingly, I think Destiny got it. Honorable mention to Griese, Stephenson, Buoniconti, the Dick's (Scott and Anderson) and all those amazing offensive lineman they had back in the 70's/early 80's.
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I legit laughed at this one. Subtle but hilarious!!
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Love Ray Finkle :lol
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From the movie Ace Ventura. Laces out!
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:o
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Specifically came in here to say that Marino doesn't deserve to be on Mount Rushmore because he cost Miami a Super Bowl by not getting the laces out :lol
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You have failed us.
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Up next is the other 2 Championship team,
The Baltimore Ravens
2 League Championships (2000, 2012)
My Mount Rushmore would be Ray Lewis, John Ogden, Ed Reed & Joe Flacco
Love the jerseys. Prefer the original helmet to the current one.
Lots of memorable games for me, being a fan from 1996-2017. Two great super bowls... big road playoff wins @Tennessee, New England and Denver. Jamal Lewis rushing for 295 yards in a game in 2003. Seeing them practically beat the perfect Pats in 2007 only to see Rex Ryan single handedly cost them the game.
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I can’t put Flacco on there. Despite his postseason play in 2012, he’s never been anything more than an average at best nfl starter. I’d put Suggs on there over him.
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A picture of Ray Lewis stabbing somebody would have been better.
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Up next is the other 2 Championship team,
The Baltimore Ravens
2 League Championships (2000, 2012)
My Mount Rushmore would be Ray Lewis, John Ogden, Ed Reed & Joe Flacco
Love the jerseys. Prefer the original helmet to the current one.
Lots of memorable games for me, being a fan from 1996-2017. Two great super bowls... big road playoff wins @Tennessee, New England and Denver. Jamal Lewis rushing for 295 yards in a game in 2003. Seeing them practically beat the perfect Pats in 2007 only to see Rex Ryan single handedly cost them the game.
I despise this team...primarily because of Ray Lewis.
Mt. Rushmore: Lewis, Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs and Joe Flacco (you could easily swap in Ogden for Flacco).
Memorable games (aside from the two Super Bowls): the only one that comes to mind (sadly) is that 2013 playoff game in which Rahim Moore and the rest of the Broncos secondary decided to see if Flacco could hit an uncovered receiver 50 yards down the field (I assume that's the game where that picture came from). I was so livid at that play!
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A picture of Ray Lewis stabbing somebody would have been better.
Does such a picture exist?
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I didn't expect the murder would be mentioned when Ray's name came up . And the victim was a fine upstanding pillar of the community just minding his own business.
Ed Reed , the greatest safety to ever play. Lewis , Reed , Suggs , Ogden. Honorable mention to Matt Stover.
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I can’t put Flacco on there. Despite his postseason play in 2012, he’s never been anything more than an average at best nfl starter. I’d put Suggs on there over him.
Agreed, Flacco is terrible and the worst QB in the league when you balance pay vs production. A lucky 3-qame stretch can’t put you on Rushmore.
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I'm indifferent to Ray Lewis. I was living in Atlanta at the time (the site of the incident was reasonable driving distance from where my wife worked at the time, and we would on occasion hang out in that area, the "Buckhead" area of the city) and so it was a big deal. Did he handle it right? Not even close. Did he ACTUALLY stab someone? I tend to think not, given all the info that I've heard. I don't know. In the intervening 15 years or whatever, there have been a lot of incidents that sort of make this less than headline material, IMO. On the field? He's one of the best that ever played the game. EVER.
Mt. Rushmore: Lewis, Reed, Suggs, Ogden, Flacco. Flacco deserves to be there, but the other four are just SO good, how do you leave them off? If I'm not allowed to squeeze the fifth Beatle on there, then it's the first four.
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Ed Reed , the greatest safety to ever play.
Jack Tatum, Ronnie Lott and Troy P. all dispute your claim. Don't get me wrong, he was awesome, but that's a bold statement.
The playoff games between this team and the Steelers were some of the most brutal, and memorable games for me.
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Now we move on to the teams with 3 championships.
Today's team, the Oakland Raiders.
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3 League Championships (1976, 1980, 1983)
The Oakland Raiders, one of the most iconic franchises in the league.
My Mount Rushmore would be Al Davis, Gene Upshaw, Marcus Allen, and Tim Brown
Honorable mention to Stabler, Plunkett, Bo Jackson (who was trending towards a great career before his injury), Art Shell and John Madden
Their uniforms and helmets are classic and iconic.
Most of their memorable games were before my time, but I'll never forget the tuck rule game.
Now Jon Gruden is back in charge. We'll see if he can get the most out of Carr, Cooper and company and get the Raiders back on the right track.
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I could EASILY do three Mt. Rushmores and still feel like I've left someone off....
For me: Madden, Stadler, Tatum, Upshaw
Second tier: Long, Otto, Biletnikoff, Branch
Third tier: Plunkett, Allen, Guy, Shell
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Today's team, the Oakland Raiders.
As a Broncos fan, all I will say is RAIDERS SUCK!!!
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Speak of the devils......
Today's team, The Denver Broncos
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3 League Championships (1997, 1998, 2015)
Mount Rushmore..... for me... John Elway, Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe, Von Miller (Completely torn between him and Gradishar).
Honorable Mentions.... plenty to choose from. Randy Gradishar, Pat Bowlen, Rod Smith, Tom Jackson
Uniforms..... wow.....really like their 1997-Current looks... but wow.... their Pre-1997s are amazing, with one of my most favorite helmets in NFL history.
Memorable games.... too many to count really. The Super Bowl win over the Packers. Tebow and Thomas beating the Steelers in OT in the Wild Card Round in 2011, The 2012 playoff game against the Ravens, The regular season game (2013 or 2014?) against the Cowboys.... to name a few.
Class act franchise from the owner on down. Never cared for Elways' choice to refuse to play for the Baltimore Colts... but it certainly worked out in his favor, and there's no denying his greatness.
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John Elway, Terrell Davis, Von Miller, Tom Jackson.
There's a lot of good players in Broncos history, but the top four wasn't really that hard for me.
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Easy picks for my Broncos: Elway, T.D, Sharpe and V. Miller.
Honorable mentions go to Peyton, Tom Jackson, Atwater, Champ Bailey and Rod Smith. And my homer pick of Ed McCaffrey.
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Kev, Karl Mecklenburg?
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I've always wondered how Broncos fans view Dan Reeves. They were very successful under his leadership, couldn't quite go all the way.
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Kev, Karl Mecklenburg?
He can go in the next tier.
I've always wondered how Broncos fans view Dan Reeves. They were very successful under his leadership, couldn't quite go all the way.
Very good coach, but there is no doubt that his conservative style prevented Elway from being as great as he could have been (and he was still one of the greatest). And the fact that his teams got shellacked in all four Super Bowls he made (3 with the Broncos, 1 with the Falcons) does not reflect well on him.
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He was my favorite. He had a WWE Bob Backlund quality to him but damn a beast on the field.
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Easy picks for my Broncos: Elway, T.D, Sharpe and V. Miller.
Honorable mentions go to Peyton, Tom Jackson, Atwater, Champ Bailey and Rod Smith. And my homer pick of Ed McCaffrey.
Gotta agree with this one word-for-word (other than the homer reason for Easy Ed).
Two of my favorite memories - one is giving it your all
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The other ... not so much.
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Stadler's gonna love that second .gif.
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I popped a bottle of champagne. All you need to know about Cam Newton in one concise package.
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I popped a bottle of champagne. All you need to know about Cam Newton in one concise package.
I can just imagine the thoughts in Cam's head...
"I can get it... I CAN GET IT!!!! Nope, never mind"
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Today's team.... the Cleveland -> L.A. -> St. Louis -> L.A. Rams
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3 League Championships (1945, 1951, 1999)
My Mount Rushmore would be Merlin Olsen, Deacon Jones, Kurt Warner & Eric Dickerson with apologies to Marshall Faulk, Orlando Pace and Isaac Bruce. Aaron Donald is trending towards all-time too..... dude is a freak.
Love love love their Blue and yellow uniforms/helmets. Hate hate hate all other versions.
Memorable games for me...... Many of their playoff games from 99-03... particularly the two Super Bowls. More recently, the Fisher era upsets of Seattle and that wild game against Philly last year.
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Couldn't think of a particular funny picture for this team. Ah well!
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This one makes me laugh.
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I'm not sure who would get the axe, but I couldn't leave Faulk off of their Mt Rushmore.
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You could leave him off for his bitching about spygate. To this day. Boo hoo.
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Most memorable games has to be all three of their SB's.
Jack Youngblood playing with a broken leg against the Steelers. The Rams were up at halftime then Bradshaw and Stallworth started lighting it up in the 2nd half.
The Titans coming up one yard shy.
The Pats pummeling their speedsters, and then winning it with a kick.
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You could leave him off for his bitching about spygate. To this day. Boo hoo.
Are we leaving Tom Brady off New England's for benefiting from Spygate? :P
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You mean the rule inforced in 2007 and not 2001. Faulk can cry me a river. Ha, Ha!
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Marshall Faulk is a pouter. That is who he is. I worked with a gal many years ago who hooked up with him and she said he was definitely a pouter. He threw a fit once when they met up at a bar (both in groups) and she didn't give him her undivided attention.
Still one of the best RBs ever, regardless.
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Destinty's Mt. Rushmore works. I might put Jack Youngblood in for Merlin Olsen. We've got to mention Fred Dryer in here at some point too.
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Today's team, The Detroit Lions
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4 League Championships (1935, 1952, 1953, 1957)
My Mount Rushmore would be Barry Sanders, Calvin Johnson, Dick "Night Train' Lane & Bobby Layne
I like the uniforms and helmets. Not great, not bad.
Memorable games for me, loved watching Barry Sanders play football... also that Thanksgiving Game coin toss with the Steelers. Some decent regular season games along the way. Nothing too crazy.
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Famous Jameis expected to be suspended
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Well, if Lisa Friel says he guilty it's obviously true. :rollin
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Famous Jameis expected to be suspended
So he get's suspended 2 YEARS after he gropes someone? WTF? The guy was a douche in college and apparently hasn't changed.
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Can't forget that one :lol
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Can't forget that one :lol
Yes.....one of the funniest moments in NFL history. This angle shows the ref signaling safety why Orvloski (s/p) is still scanning the field. Jared Allen's reaction is priceless.
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Can't forget that one :lol
Yes.....one of the funniest moments in NFL history. This angle shows the ref signaling safety why Orvloski (s/p) is still scanning the field. Jared Allen's reaction is priceless.
Orlovsky. UConn guy! Never would have called his longevity in the NFL. I met him a couple times around the state when he was here, and always seemed a nice enough guy. He went to the same high school as my dad (Shelton). That part of the state ("The Valley") is HUGE for high school football (Shelton, Ansonia, Derby, Naugatuck...). My uncle is 86 and he's been going to high school games for the better part of 50 years, maybe more.
I like Destiny's Mt. Rushmore here, too. Stealin' my thunder! Honorable mention for Alex Karras, but only for his excellent acting skills (Trivia: what's his connection to this forum? Or at least to a band that is likely the favorite band of the forum besides DT?)
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No clue on that trivia.
Today's team, the most recent winners of the Super Bowl, the Philadelphia Eagles
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4 League Championships (1948, 1949, 1960, 2017)
My Mount Rushmore would be Steve Van Buren, Reggie White, Chuck Bednarik & Brian Dawkins. Carson Wentz certainly has potential to crack the top 4 in a decade or so... but let's be real... he has a chance to be the GOAT. Time will tell.
Love the uniforms. Love the Kelly green throwbacks as well. Helmet is one of the coolest in the league.
Memorable games....too many to count. The 4 NFC Championship games in a row... both of the SBs against New England... the nail biter against Atlanta and the destruction of Minnesota en route to the SB. The MNF game where Desean Jackson dropped the football in celebration prior to crossing the goalline. The game I went to against the Ravens in 2016 where a then rookie Carson Wentz had a gutsy performance and the team elected to go for 2 instead of playing for OT.
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One kick ass team right now.
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Something else that could be fun to do after the team a day thing winds down.
DTF ranks the NFL QBs.
Send me a PM with your list of NFL QBs as you would rank them based on how good you think they are as of right now (assuming the injured ones are recovered by the regular season). You can list 10, 20 or how ever many you want. I'll give each QB points based on how they rank on your list and I'll rank them up and we'll count them down. If fun feel free to send me a list. If lame, no biggie.
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One kick ass team right now.
Pains me to agree with this
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Something else that could be fun to do after the team a day thing winds down.
DTF ranks the NFL QBs.
Send me a PM with your list of NFL QBs as you would rank them based on how good you think they are as of right now (assuming the injured ones are recovered by the regular season). You can list 10, 20 or how ever many you want. I'll give each QB points based on how they rank on your list and I'll rank them up and we'll count them down. If fun feel free to send me a list. If lame, no biggie.
Blake Bortles is number 1 and everyone else is fighting for 2nd place.
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I wish profootballmock was still up , they had a quarterbacks on Facebook thing that they did every week or 2 that was quite entertaining. There is some good material for this at the moment.
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I wish profootballmock was still up , they had a quarterbacks on Facebook thing that they did every week or 2 that was quite entertaining. There is some good material for this at the moment.
I recall a lot of those being linked here over the past few years. Some were funny. Others, not so much.
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Something else that could be fun to do after the team a day thing winds down.
DTF ranks the NFL QBs.
Send me a PM with your list of NFL QBs as you would rank them based on how good you think they are as of right now (assuming the injured ones are recovered by the regular season). You can list 10, 20 or how ever many you want. I'll give each QB points based on how they rank on your list and I'll rank them up and we'll count them down. If fun feel free to send me a list. If lame, no biggie.
This is an awesome idea. Be sure to remind us around the time that you want to do it, and I'll be sure to participate.
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Something else that could be fun to do after the team a day thing winds down.
DTF ranks the NFL QBs.
Send me a PM with your list of NFL QBs as you would rank them based on how good you think they are as of right now (assuming the injured ones are recovered by the regular season). You can list 10, 20 or how ever many you want. I'll give each QB points based on how they rank on your list and I'll rank them up and we'll count them down. If fun feel free to send me a list. If lame, no biggie.
Blake Bortles is number 1 and everyone else is fighting for 2nd place.
You mean Bane Bortles?
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Please do not mock the eventual GOAT.
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I made that last year and Twitter loved it. Lol
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Twitter is full of heathens, so I am not surprised.
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The internet is full of heathens. :lol
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Something else that could be fun to do after the team a day thing winds down.
DTF ranks the NFL QBs.
Send me a PM with your list of NFL QBs as you would rank them based on how good you think they are as of right now (assuming the injured ones are recovered by the regular season). You can list 10, 20 or how ever many you want. I'll give each QB points based on how they rank on your list and I'll rank them up and we'll count them down. If fun feel free to send me a list. If lame, no biggie.
Blake Bortles is number 1 and everyone else is fighting for 2nd place.
You mean Bane Bortles?
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/750x400q90/923/RdmMuL.png) (https://imageshack.com/f/pnRdmMuLp)
You merely adopted mediocrity. I was born in it, molded by it.
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:lol
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My Mt. Rushmore: Reggie White, Chuck Bednarik, Harold Carmicheal, Norm Van Brocklin. Honorable mention to Bill Bergey and Duce Staley (because I love his name).
Alex Karras trivia answer (which no one cares about): He played "Mongo" in Blazing Saddles ("Anagram (For Mongo)" by Rush is named for a scene in Blazing Saddles involving Karras).
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Something else that could be fun to do after the team a day thing winds down.
DTF ranks the NFL QBs.
Send me a PM with your list of NFL QBs as you would rank them based on how good you think they are as of right now (assuming the injured ones are recovered by the regular season). You can list 10, 20 or how ever many you want. I'll give each QB points based on how they rank on your list and I'll rank them up and we'll count them down. If fun feel free to send me a list. If lame, no biggie.
This is an awesome idea. Be sure to remind us around the time that you want to do it, and I'll be sure to participate.
Feel free to message me your rankings whenever you'd like. I'd be looking to start the countdown once the team a day thing winds.
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I’ll jump the gun because I know who’s next alphabetically and I don’t want to miss the discussion.
I love Terry Bradshaw, but he’s in the Hall of Fame for basically 2 games, Super Bowl XIII and Super Bowl XIV. Not to mention few QBs in history were helped more by their defense and running game. I have to put Ben ahead of him.
Trying to avoid an anti-recency bias here - on a more controversial note, I might have to put Antonio Brown ahead of Franco Harris. Brown still has many great years ahead of him, and Franco was never considered the best in the league with OJ, Walter Payton, etc.
So my Mount Rushmore is Roethlisberger, Brown, Mean Joe Greene, and Jack Lambert. Extremely difficult to leave out Swann, Stallworth, Hines, Rod Woodson, James Harrison, Troy Polamalu plus a bunch of other Hall of Fame defensive players and O-Linemen.
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Today's team: The Cleveland Browns
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4 League Championships (1950, 1954, 1955, 1964)
My Mount Rushmore would be Jim Brown, Paul Brown, Otto Graham, Lou Groza with apologies to Joe Thomas
Uniforms.... wow.... don't mind the classic look from the 80s-96... I mean nothing to exciting... but much better than the duds they rolled out a couple of years ago.
Memorable game for me.... the two AFCC games vs. Denver.....
Browns are getting their crap together. Expect them to be a playoff team in the next 2 years or so.
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I thought the Browns were going to be much improved last year and they didn't win a game. Their immediate future depends on Mayfield panning out.
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I thought the Browns were going to be much improved last year and they didn't win a game. Their immediate future depends on Mayfield panning out.
Not necessarily. Tyrod Taylor was able to get the Bills to the playoffs last year with arguably a worse team than Cleveland currently has on paper. Now we'll see if that pans out or not.
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My Mt. Rushmore: Jim Brown, Otto Graham, Joe Thomas, and Bernie Kozar, with honorable mention to Ozzie Newsom and Paul Warfield.
If you're counting on Tyrod Taylor, you better not be too invested in your outcome.
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My Mt. Rushmore: Jim Brown, Otto Graham, Joe Thomas, and Bernie Kozar, with honorable mention to Ozzie Newsom and Paul Warfield.
If you're counting on Tyrod Taylor, you better not be too invested in your outcome.
I'm thinking 4-6 wins this year.
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Not necessarily. Tyrod Taylor was able to get the Bills to the playoffs last year with arguably a worse team than Cleveland currently has on paper.
Games aren't played on paper. There are played by little men inside our TV sets.
Chalk it up, right here and now: Browns won't make the playoffs for the next 5 years.
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I wouldn't bet against that on a, well, bet.
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As a Broncos fan, I want Ernest Byner on the Browns Mt Rushmore. :hat
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Not necessarily. Tyrod Taylor was able to get the Bills to the playoffs last year with arguably a worse team than Cleveland currently has on paper.
Games aren't played on paper. There are played by little men inside our TV sets.
Chalk it up, right here and now: Browns won't make the playoffs for the next 5 years.
Why? Because they're the Browns? That sort of close-minded thinking gets debunked many times in sports, especially recently in the NFL with the Rams and Jaguars stunning turnarounds.
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As a Broncos fan, I want Ernest Byner on the Browns Mt Rushmore. :hat
Da Fumble!!!
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Chalk it up, right here and now: Browns won't make the playoffs for the next 5 years.
Why? Because they're the Browns?
Precisely :)
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Not necessarily. Tyrod Taylor was able to get the Bills to the playoffs last year with arguably a worse team than Cleveland currently has on paper.
Games aren't played on paper. There are played by little men inside our TV sets.
Chalk it up, right here and now: Browns won't make the playoffs for the next 5 years.
Why? Because they're the Browns? That sort of close-minded thinking gets debunked many times in sports, especially recently in the NFL with the Rams and Jaguars stunning turnarounds.
Or look at the Golden Knights in hockey. They were supposed to be terrible as a first year team but they made it all the way to the finals. Trends get set so that they can be bucked.
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They would need a LOT of luck to replicate the Golden Knight's success.
Speaking of Luck... today's team is the Indianapolis Colts
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4 League Championships (1958, 1959, 1970, 2006)
My Mount Rushmore would be Johnny Unitas, Peyton Manning, Gino Marchetti & Dwight Freeney. Apologies to Raymond Berry and Marvin Harrison
Love the uniforms and helmets. Classic and clean.
Memorable games.... before my time... but the '58 NFL Championship and SB III. Games I remember all of the Pats/Colts playoff games from the Brady/Manning era. A couple of Colts/Chargers games. The Colts/Chiefs wild card game from a few years ago.
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The Queen and I 2007. Pats at Indy.
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The Queen and I 2007. Pats at Indy.
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If memory serves me right....that was something like a 9-0 vs 9-0 matchup
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And memory was off... 8-0 vs. 7-0.
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Yeah, it was so damn loud in there. Almost ear piercing. We had a great time thanks to our friends who had season tickets. The stunned sound when Moss went over the middle making a one handed catch was fun to hear. I had a lot of colts fans tell my wife and I we were really nice for being Pats fans. :lol
after the game it was dead silence and I had so many people calling me from home screaming into the phone. I was responding really quiet, almost monotone. They were like, "Why are you quiet"? I said, I can't be loud right now. then they got i was walking back to the car with Colts fans and I didn't want to yelp it up.
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Mt. Rushmore would be something like Art Donovan , Johnny U , Bert Jones , Lydell Mitchel for the Baltimore Colts ( because their the only names I can think of at the moment lol ). Having Johnny U mentioned here is like having Ed Reed mentioned with the Browns. Johnny U did not want to be associated with the Indianapolis team , all of his old stuff is at Camden Yards ( and a statue at " The Bank " where the Ravens play ).
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Mt. Rushmore would be something like Art Donovan , Johnny U , Bert Jones , Lydell Mitchel for the Baltimore Colts ( because their the only names I can think of at the moment lol ). Having Johnny U mentioned here is like having Ed Reed mentioned with the Browns. Johnny U did not want to be associated with the Indianapolis team , all of his old stuff is at Camden Yards ( and a statue at " The Bank " where the Ravens play ).
I get that. I've rubbed his cleats prior to entering M&T Bank. But the fact remains that the Colts history and records went with the franchise to Indy, regardless of how the players or anyone else felt I'm glad that they got it right in keeping the Browns records in Cleveland.
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Moving on to the 3 teams with 5 Championships.
The San Francisco 49ers
5 League Championships (1981, 1984, 1988, 1989, 1994)
Mount Rushmore, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Ronnie Lott, Bill Walsh
Uniforms and helmets are incredible... among the league's best.
Memorable games.... the first game I remember watching live was the 55-10 SF win over Denver in the Super Bowl. Memorable games for me since then, that Wild Card game against the Giants in 2002, Kaepernick's coming out party against the Packers in 2012 and the recent clashes with Seattle. Memorable Moments.... T.O.....
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I really like your Mt. Rushmore and your memorable moments/games. I was prepared to have to make a case for Ronnie being part of it because I think including him is a must. Bill Walsh wasn't on my personal list simply because I wasn't thinking in terms of including coaches. But upon seeing him in your list, I fully agree about including him. The championship era was profoundly impacted by what he built. In fact, I would go farther and say that the way football was played in the '80s and beyond was profoundly impacted by what he built. So great insight in including him. The only thing I will say is that it somehow feels wrong and shortsighted to only include players from that championship period. But, again, in actually looking at the names, I can't argue against it either.
I had the luxury and good fortune of becoming an NFL and 49ers fan toward the end of the SB XV season. What that meant was that the following season, which was the first FULL season that I paid attention to the NFL, I got to witness seeing a team that wasn't really on most people's radars rise to not only become champions, but also become the beginning of a dynasty. Admittedly, it kinda spoiled me and made me feel a bit entitled as a sports fan. But it was also so much fun to see and live through.
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I remember being a kid and thinking that Joe Montana was the coolest guy in the world, even before I was a big football fan.
Kudos to Garappolo - he went to my high school, played at Eastern Illinois University where he broke Tony Romo's records, and after a few years of backing up one of the best QB's to ever play the game, is now a starting QB for the 49ers and making HUGE money. It's awesome to see a local kid make it in the big leagues.
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It was "The Catch" that made me a SF fan. I hated on Dallas because of a neighbor that loved every team but the locals just to be different and Dallas was his team. Of course the catch and the win helped me rag on him so I instantly became a SF fan. :lol
The hate is strong in me.
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Hey, if one game/play can make someone a fan of a team, that's got to be one of the most appropriate games/plays for that, so no argument from me.
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Hey, if one game/play can make someone a fan of a team, that's got to be one of the most appropriate games/plays for that, so no argument from me.
I was 13. Hormones got the best of me. :lol
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Someone that should get an honorable mention is Roger Craig. I always thought that he was the perfect RB for that team/system.
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When I played tackle football with my buddies, they had 2 nicknames for me, one was Riggins for John Riggins and the other was Rathman for Tom Rathman. I never tried to sidestep a tackle. I always tried to blow up the defender like those two players did so I've always loved #44.
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Welp...seeing I missed my teams day, I can at least hit the team I like the absolute least!
Niners Mt Rushmore...
Montana
Rice
Young
Craig
Lott
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I only put players on there (not owners or coaches), so this was easy:
Rice
Montana
Young
Lott
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I only put players on there (not owners or coaches), so this was easy:
Rice
Montana
Young
Lott
Same here, though I might want Haley in Young's spot. Tough call.
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When I think of the 9ers it makes me miss Jim Harbaugh being in the NFL, he's an awesome coach and was so entertaining to watch :lol I think it's a shame that he's not coaching in the NFL any more. In my opinion he's good enough to turn almost any team in the NFL into a contender, just look at what he did with the 9ers in his first year...
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Hard to argue with Rice, Montana, Lott and Walsh. Any talk of Niner greats has to begin with them.
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Certainly feel free to keep talking about the great 49ers franchise, but I've got to get today's entry in a bit earlier than usual.
Today's team, The Washington Redskins
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5 League Championships (1937, 1942, 1982, 1987, 1991)
My Mount Rushmore... Sammy Baugh, Darrell Green, John Riggins, Art Monk
Uniforms are decent. I do like the white jerseys over the burgundy ones.
Memorable games.... not too many since their SB days.
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My neighbors dad was an avid Skins fan and I loved going over there on Sundays to watch him drink beer and cuss Billy Kilmer , lol. After the Colts rolled out I tried to be a Redskins fan but I just could never really get on board ( and they were a decent team ). I remember going to a Capitols game and Charles Mann , Dexter Manley , and Mark Rippon ( spelling sorry I'm not looking this up now ) were there at the game , man those guys are huge you just don't realize till you stand close to them. They have always missed with me , heart or integrity or something like that the Baltimore ( and some other ) teams projected , they are just like " as a matter of fact " kind of attitude still to this day ( Joe Gibbs perhaps ) . Damn they had a hell of an O Line though ( " The Hogs " ).
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Late to the party; sorry, work trip.
Colts: Johnny U., Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Raymond Berry (Freeney and Saturday as honorable mentions)
49ers: Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Ronnie Lott, Y.A. Tittle (not kidding). (Young, Craig, Haley and Clark as honorable mentions)
Skins: There's actually too many; Joe Theisman, Sonny Jurgenson, John Riggins, Darrell Green (Honorable mention to Monk, Jacoby, Grimm, Houston, Bailey, Hanburger, Moseley)
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I missed a bunch as a result of being on vacation and catching up at the office.
Broncos: Elway, Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe, Steve Atwater (honorable mention to Von Miller, Rod Smith, Ed McCaffrey, Karl Mecklenburg and Randy Gradishar)
Rams: Kurt Warner, Isaac Bruce, Jackie Slater, Deacon Jones (honorable mention to Marshall Faulk, Jack Youngblood, Wendell Tyler, Rosie Greer, Lamar Lundy and Merlin Olson)
Lions: Barry Sanders, Matt Stafford, Calvin Johnson, Dick Lane
Eagles: Bill Bergey, Chuck Bednarik, Reggie White, Donovan McNabb
Browns: Jim Brown, Otto Graham, Ozzie Newsome, Paul Warfield
Colts: Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Johnny Unitas, Raymond Berry
49ers: Montana, Rice, Lott, Young
Redskins: Sammy Baugh, Art Monk, Chris Hanburger, Darrell Green
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Now it's time for America's Team (oh boy).
The Dallas Cowboys
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5 League Championships (1971, 1977, 1992, 1993, 1995)
My Mount Rushmore would be Emmitt Smith, Roger Staubach, Larry Allen & Tom Landry
Uniforms are a complete mess. The helmets however are incredible.
Memorable games...... recently, Romo vs. Manning in 2013 and Dez Dropping it in Green Bay.
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Emmitt, Irvin, Staubach, Randy White. I went with these four because each one of them would take over a game and win it single-handed, and they were dominant at their position at the time they played.
Honorable mentions could fill a book. Obviously Larry Allen. Harvey Martin, Aikman, Dorsett, Everson Walls, Haley, and Bob Lilly are all strong candidates, as well.
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Emmitt, Irvin, Staubach, Randy White. I went with these four because each one of them would take over a game and win it single-handed, and they were dominant at their position at the time they played.
Honorable mentions could fill a book. Obviously Larry Allen. Harvey Martin, Aikman, Dorsett, Everson Walls, Haley, and Bob Lilly are all strong candidates, as well.
I'd swap out Aikman for Irvin, but that's a good list with a soundproof rationale. (Might add Ed "Too Tall" Jones to the honorable mention, though, and if we ever name coaches, Landry has to be there.)
Funny story about Bob Lilly. Three buddies went to a card signing show (one is the real collector, the other two went along for the beer/ride). They go into the hotel bar after the show, and who walks in but Bob Lilly. My buddy had gotten a football signed by him (he's a life-long Cowboys fan) and when Lilly sat down next to them Mike showed him the ball, said thanks and offered to buy him a beer. Lilly ended up sitting with them for about a half an hour, and Mike says "we're going to get some steaks, you're welcome to join us" and Lilly says "I'd love to but I'm committed to go with the promoter of the show and Steve (Carlton, the other big name from the show). I'll stop in on the way back and if you're here, we can pick up the conversation".
Anyway, so Carlton walks in about ten, fifteen minutes later and comes up to Lilly and my other friend says "Steve Carlton? He's my favorite player of all time!" so Mike pulls out a ball and says "well, here you go." So my friend goes around and says "Mr. Carlton, I wasn't at the show, but I grew up a Phillies fan and you're my favorite player, yadda yadda". Carlton says "Guy, I'm sorry, I've been signing all day, and I'm supposed to only sign for paying customers and..." and Lilly turns to him and says "Steve, shut up and sign the fucking ball." "Yes, Bob."
Really, genuinely seemed to appreciate being recognized and valued by a fan (it was clear that Mike wasn't doing this to put shit on eBay, which is a big problem for these guys).
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Emmitt, Irvin, Staubach, Randy White. I went with these four because each one of them would take over a game and win it single-handed, and they were dominant at their position at the time they played.
Honorable mentions could fill a book. Obviously Larry Allen. Harvey Martin, Aikman, Dorsett, Everson Walls, Haley, and Bob Lilly are all strong candidates, as well.
I'd swap out Aikman for Irvin, but that's a good list with a soundproof rationale. (Might add Ed "Too Tall" Jones to the honorable mention, though, and if we ever name coaches, Landry has to be there.)
Funny story about Bob Lilly. Three buddies went to a card signing show (one is the real collector, the other two went along for the beer/ride). They go into the hotel bar after the show, and who walks in but Bob Lilly. My buddy had gotten a football signed by him (he's a life-long Cowboys fan) and when Lilly sat down next to them Mike showed him the ball, said thanks and offered to buy him a beer. Lilly ended up sitting with them for about a half an hour, and Mike says "we're going to get some steaks, you're welcome to join us" and Lilly says "I'd love to but I'm committed to go with the promoter of the show and Steve (Carlton, the other big name from the show). I'll stop in on the way back and if you're here, we can pick up the conversation".
Anyway, so Carlton walks in about ten, fifteen minutes later and comes up to Lilly and my other friend says "Steve Carlton? He's my favorite player of all time!" so Mike pulls out a ball and says "well, here you go." So my friend goes around and says "Mr. Carlton, I wasn't at the show, but I grew up a Phillies fan and you're my favorite player, yadda yadda". Carlton says "Guy, I'm sorry, I've been signing all day, and I'm supposed to only sign for paying customers and..." and Lilly turns to him and says "Steve, shut up and sign the fucking ball." "Yes, Bob."
Really, genuinely seemed to appreciate being recognized and valued by a fan (it was clear that Mike wasn't doing this to put shit on eBay, which is a big problem for these guys).
Irvin was a revolutionary player to some extent. Aikman was a very good quarterback on quite possibly the most talented team ever assembled. He didn't reinvent the position or change the way teams ran their secondary. I gave Staubach the edge because A: he was the ultimate competitor, and B: he was exceptional for his entire career, playing for very different teams.
My old man worked with Staubach on a few occasions (I've sat in his box at Stars games). His take on the man was that he was absolutely, utterly and completely humorless, and that he was still the most competitive guy you'll ever meet. I never met him but he did wave at me once when I stopped and let him walk across the street.
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Most of us here are way too young to remember, but the two super bowls against the Steelers were great games. I re-watched the games on NFL network a few years ago.
SBX the Cowboys were up 10-7 going into the 4th quarter. The Steelers scored two touchdowns, and the Cowboys answered back with one and were driving, but Staubach threw an interception in the end zone as time expired.
SBXIII featured 14 hall of fame players between the two teams. The game is also the only time in NFL history to feature two QB's with two SB rings each. The final score was 35-31 in a game where both QB's were very impressive for that era.
Then there was "The Catch" game against the 49ers.
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Not sure I can do only four for the Cowboys....
If I go with one QB, one RB, one WR, and one defensive player (which is totally ridiculous because, among other things, it excludes all of the great Cowboys' offensive linemen), I think I have to go with:
Roger Staubach > Troy Aikman
Emmett Smith > Tony Dorsett
Michael Irvin > Drew Pearson and Tony Hill
Randy White > "Too Tall" Jones, Charlie Waters and Sean Lee (and many others)
Most of us here are way too young to remember, but the two super bowls against the Steelers were great games. . . .
. . .
SBXIII featured 14 hall of fame players between the two teams. The game is also the only time in NFL history to feature two QB's with two SB rings each. The final score was 35-31 in a game where both QB's were very impressive for that era.
SB 13 was the second Super Bowl I watched. After rooting for the Broncos over the Cowboys in 12, I was pulling for the Cowboys in 13. The game didn't feel as close as the score reflected. Unfortunately, the game is probably most known for Jackie Smith's drop of what would have been a tying touchdown (assuming the extra point) late in the third quarter. Instead of tying the game, the Cowboys settled for a field goal. The Steelers then scored 14 unanswered pointsto take a 35-17 lead more than half way through the 4th quarter. The Cowboys narrowed the gap to the final score with two touchdowns in a span of about two minutes, but they couldn't recover a second onside kick to give themselves a chance at a game winning Hail Mary pass.
Super Bowls 16 and 23 came the closest to measuring up to this game until my Broncos won Super Bowl 32.
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Not sure I can do only four for the Cowboys....
If I go with one QB, one RB, one WR, and one defensive player (which is totally ridiculous because, among other things, it excludes all of the great Cowboys' offensive linemen), I think I have to go with:
Roger Staubach > Troy Aikman
Emmett Smith > Tony Dorsett
Michael Irvin > Drew Pearson and Tony Hill
Randy White > "Too Tall" Jones, Charlie Waters and Sean Lee (and many others)
Most of us here are way too young to remember, but the two super bowls against the Steelers were great games. . . .
. . .
SBXIII featured 14 hall of fame players between the two teams. The game is also the only time in NFL history to feature two QB's with two SB rings each. The final score was 35-31 in a game where both QB's were very impressive for that era.
SB 13 was the second Super Bowl I watched. After rooting for the Broncos over the Cowboys in 12, I was pulling for the Cowboys in 13. The game didn't feel as close as the score reflected. Unfortunately, the game is probably most known for Jackie Smith's drop of what would have been a tying touchdown (assuming the extra point) late in the third quarter. Instead of tying the game, the Cowboys settled for a field goal. The Steelers then scored 14 unanswered pointsto take a 35-17 lead more than half way through the 4th quarter. The Cowboys narrowed the gap to the final score with two touchdowns in a span of about two minutes, but they couldn't recover a second onside kick to give themselves a chance at a game winning Hail Mary pass.
Super Bowls 16 and 23 came the closest to measuring up to this game until my Broncos won Super Bowl 32.
I remember it for the bullshit interference call. Lynn Swann misses that catch and they punt. Dallas had all the momentum at that point. Handing Pittsburgh the ball inside the Dallas red zone turns the tide back and that's that.
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The best compliment I can say is I hated Them Boys but I knew so many great players from the Cowboys. The hate stemmed from a neighbor. Lol
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Troy Aikman is underrated. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.
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Fun fact: that 35-31 Steelers/Cowboys Super Bowl was apparently one of the worst days for Vegas ever.
Pittsburgh started off as a 3 1/2-pt favorite, but it moved to 5 at some point, and a lot of people who had taken Pittsburgh -3 1/2 then took Dallas + 5 hoping it would fall in the middle and the Steelers would win by 4...which they did. :lol :lol
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Not sure I can do only four for the Cowboys....
If I go with one QB, one RB, one WR, and one defensive player (which is totally ridiculous because, among other things, it excludes all of the great Cowboys' offensive linemen), I think I have to go with:
Roger Staubach > Troy Aikman
Emmett Smith > Tony Dorsett
Michael Irvin > Drew Pearson and Tony Hill
Randy White > "Too Tall" Jones, Charlie Waters and Sean Lee (and many others)
Most of us here are way too young to remember, but the two super bowls against the Steelers were great games. . . .
. . .
SBXIII featured 14 hall of fame players between the two teams. The game is also the only time in NFL history to feature two QB's with two SB rings each. The final score was 35-31 in a game where both QB's were very impressive for that era.
SB 13 was the second Super Bowl I watched. After rooting for the Broncos over the Cowboys in 12, I was pulling for the Cowboys in 13. The game didn't feel as close as the score reflected. Unfortunately, the game is probably most known for Jackie Smith's drop of what would have been a tying touchdown (assuming the extra point) late in the third quarter. Instead of tying the game, the Cowboys settled for a field goal. The Steelers then scored 14 unanswered pointsto take a 35-17 lead more than half way through the 4th quarter. The Cowboys narrowed the gap to the final score with two touchdowns in a span of about two minutes, but they couldn't recover a second onside kick to give themselves a chance at a game winning Hail Mary pass.
Super Bowls 16 and 23 came the closest to measuring up to this game until my Broncos won Super Bowl 32.
I remember it for the bullshit interference call. Lynn Swann misses that catch and they punt. Dallas had all the momentum at that point. Handing Pittsburgh the ball inside the Dallas red zone turns the tide back and that's that.
There were two controversial calls on that drive. The other had something to do with a false start. I'd have to look it up to know for sure, but I've heard that one of the calls was made by the same ump that made the immaculate reception call a few years earlier.
Deflate gate and spy gate have nothing on how that probably made people's heads spin at the time.
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Kam Chancellor to call it a career. Don't blame the man for putting his health first.
Wilson's job just got even harder.
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Today's team is one that probably needs this the least, as it is far an away the most talked about team in this forum's history.....
The New England Patriots
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5 League Championships (2001, 2003, 2004, 2014, 2016)
Mount Rushmore - Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, John Hannah, Andre Tippett
Didn't care for their original uniforms/helmets. Loved the ones from the mid-90s. The current ones are okay.
Memorable games..... too many to count. All of the B&B era Super Bowls were close, tight games.
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John Hannah is and always will be my favorite Patriot. The meanest streak I have ever seen in a player but the cleanest player.
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The helmet with the minuteman hiking the football is the coolest in the history of football.
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The helmet with the minuteman hiking the football is the coolest in the history of football.
Pat Patriot. I still by the hats with him all the time.
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Also, can we put David Tyree on the Pats Mt Rushmore? :P
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John Hannah is and always will be my favorite Patriot. The meanest streak I have ever seen in a player but the cleanest player.
Which to me is the hallmark of the truly greats. The guy that no one wants to take their chances against.
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This is so hard, for a couple reasons; first, they are a situational and role-playing team. They have a number of interchangeable parts. They have so many players that have stepped up. I'm going to go out on a limb, though, and forsake the "individual accomplishment" and go for the more "systemic accomplishment". So no Randy Moss, but:
Tom Brady, John Hannah, Rodney Harrison, Troy Brown.
Honorable mention to Steve Grogan, Kevin Faulk, Tedy Bruschi, Gino Cappalletti, Stanley Morgan, Russ Francis, Gronk, Vince Wilfork... and a shout out to Daryl Stingley, just because.
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Also, can we put David Tyree on the Pats Mt Rushmore? :P
What no Manningham as well? :lol
John Hannah is and always will be my favorite Patriot. The meanest streak I have ever seen in a player but the cleanest player.
Which to me is the hallmark of the truly greats. The guy that no one wants to take their chances against.
Or he'll pancake you and let you know he's going to do that.
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Tom Brady, John Hannah, Stanley Morgan & Andre Tippet
Adam Vinatieri and Gronk deserve mentions.
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Brady, Vinatieri, Troy Brown, Vrabel. Honorable mention to Mo Lewis.
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Mo Lewis. :lol
I remember being at that game and Brady went down and never got up. I saw Brady come in and we were like, "Who the hell is this kid"? "Isn't he the 4th string QB"?
Who knew then?
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Brady, Vinatieri, Troy Brown, Vrabel. Honorable mention to Mo Lewis.
HAHA, that's legendary. Nicely done. :)
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Not sure I can do only four for the Cowboys....
If I go with one QB, one RB, one WR, and one defensive player (which is totally ridiculous because, among other things, it excludes all of the great Cowboys' offensive linemen), I think I have to go with:
Roger Staubach > Troy Aikman
Emmett Smith > Tony Dorsett
Michael Irvin > Drew Pearson and Tony Hill
Randy White > "Too Tall" Jones, Charlie Waters and Sean Lee (and many others)
Most of us here are way too young to remember, but the two super bowls against the Steelers were great games. . . .
. . .
SBXIII featured 14 hall of fame players between the two teams. The game is also the only time in NFL history to feature two QB's with two SB rings each. The final score was 35-31 in a game where both QB's were very impressive for that era.
SB 13 was the second Super Bowl I watched. After rooting for the Broncos over the Cowboys in 12, I was pulling for the Cowboys in 13. The game didn't feel as close as the score reflected. Unfortunately, the game is probably most known for Jackie Smith's drop of what would have been a tying touchdown (assuming the extra point) late in the third quarter. Instead of tying the game, the Cowboys settled for a field goal. The Steelers then scored 14 unanswered pointsto take a 35-17 lead more than half way through the 4th quarter. The Cowboys narrowed the gap to the final score with two touchdowns in a span of about two minutes, but they couldn't recover a second onside kick to give themselves a chance at a game winning Hail Mary pass.
Super Bowls 16 and 23 came the closest to measuring up to this game until my Broncos won Super Bowl 32.
I remember it for the bullshit interference call. Lynn Swann misses that catch and they punt. Dallas had all the momentum at that point. Handing Pittsburgh the ball inside the Dallas red zone turns the tide back and that's that.
There were two controversial calls on that drive. The other had something to do with a false start. I'd have to look it up to know for sure, but I've heard that one of the calls was made by the same ump that made the immaculate reception call a few years earlier.
Deflate gate and spy gate have nothing on how that probably made people's heads spin at the time.
From the Wikipedia article on the game:
"Two controversial penalties early in the fourth quarter paved the way for the Steelers to score 14 unanswered points.
The Steelers advanced to their own 44-yard line after a crucial 3rd down pass from Bradshaw to tight end Randy Grossman, a 13-yard pass to Swann, and a 5-yard run by Harris. Bradshaw then attempted a pass to Swann, but the receiver collided with Cowboys defensive back Benny Barnes and fell to the ground as the ball rolled incomplete. However, official Fred Swearingen (the referee of the Immaculate Reception game of 1972) called Barnes for pass interference. Replays showed that it could have been incidental contact, as Swann seemed to run into Barnes. The penalty gave Pittsburgh a first down at Dallas' 23-yard line.
Two plays later, the Steelers faced 3rd down and 4 from the Dallas 17. Henderson sacked Bradshaw for a 12-yard loss, but the play was nullified by a delay of game penalty on Pittsburgh, bringing up 3rd down and 9 instead of a fourth down. Replays clearly showed the whistle blew before the play's onset, plus most of the players pulled up and stopped playing after a whistle sounded, but Henderson claimed, "I didn't hear a whistle until after I had knocked Bradshaw down. The same guy (Swearingen) made that call too. Who is that guy?" " Franco Harris confronted Henderson for taunting Bradshaw after the whistle, and on the next play, Bradshaw handed the ball off to Harris, who raced untouched, with help from the Umpire Art Demmas impeding Cowboys safety Charlie Waters' attempt to tackle him, up the middle for a 22-yard touchdown run. The next day Waters was quoted as saying, "I don't know what I could do – maybe knock him [Umpire Demmas] flat and maybe he'd knock Franco flat? Our safeties play a vital role in the run. That official gets in the way a lot. He screened me off." This score increased Pittsburgh's lead to 28–17."
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Today's team is one that probably needs this the least, as it is far an away the most talked about team in this forum's history.....
The New England Patriots
Lots of memorable games, most significantly being Super Bowls 36 (upset over the Rams), 51 (comeback over the Falcons) and 52. I also remember 20 as being the first real Super Bowl blowout and the real start of the NFC's long run of Super Bowl dominance.
Mt. Rushmore isn't too difficult: Tom Brady, John Hannah, Adam Vinatieri and Mike Haynes (honorable mention to Andre Tippett, Steve Nelson, Ty Law, Teddy Bruschi, Steve Grogan, Stanley Morgan and Wes Welker).
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Not sure I can do only four for the Cowboys....
If I go with one QB, one RB, one WR, and one defensive player (which is totally ridiculous because, among other things, it excludes all of the great Cowboys' offensive linemen), I think I have to go with:
Roger Staubach > Troy Aikman
Emmett Smith > Tony Dorsett
Michael Irvin > Drew Pearson and Tony Hill
Randy White > "Too Tall" Jones, Charlie Waters and Sean Lee (and many others)
Most of us here are way too young to remember, but the two super bowls against the Steelers were great games. . . .
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SBXIII featured 14 hall of fame players between the two teams. The game is also the only time in NFL history to feature two QB's with two SB rings each. The final score was 35-31 in a game where both QB's were very impressive for that era.
SB 13 was the second Super Bowl I watched. After rooting for the Broncos over the Cowboys in 12, I was pulling for the Cowboys in 13. The game didn't feel as close as the score reflected. Unfortunately, the game is probably most known for Jackie Smith's drop of what would have been a tying touchdown (assuming the extra point) late in the third quarter. Instead of tying the game, the Cowboys settled for a field goal. The Steelers then scored 14 unanswered pointsto take a 35-17 lead more than half way through the 4th quarter. The Cowboys narrowed the gap to the final score with two touchdowns in a span of about two minutes, but they couldn't recover a second onside kick to give themselves a chance at a game winning Hail Mary pass.
Super Bowls 16 and 23 came the closest to measuring up to this game until my Broncos won Super Bowl 32.
I remember it for the bullshit interference call. Lynn Swann misses that catch and they punt. Dallas had all the momentum at that point. Handing Pittsburgh the ball inside the Dallas red zone turns the tide back and that's that.
There were two controversial calls on that drive. The other had something to do with a false start. I'd have to look it up to know for sure, but I've heard that one of the calls was made by the same ump that made the immaculate reception call a few years earlier.
Deflate gate and spy gate have nothing on how that probably made people's heads spin at the time.
From the Wikipedia article on the game:
"Two controversial penalties early in the fourth quarter paved the way for the Steelers to score 14 unanswered points.
The Steelers advanced to their own 44-yard line after a crucial 3rd down pass from Bradshaw to tight end Randy Grossman, a 13-yard pass to Swann, and a 5-yard run by Harris. Bradshaw then attempted a pass to Swann, but the receiver collided with Cowboys defensive back Benny Barnes and fell to the ground as the ball rolled incomplete. However, official Fred Swearingen (the referee of the Immaculate Reception game of 1972) called Barnes for pass interference. Replays showed that it could have been incidental contact, as Swann seemed to run into Barnes. The penalty gave Pittsburgh a first down at Dallas' 23-yard line.
Two plays later, the Steelers faced 3rd down and 4 from the Dallas 17. Henderson sacked Bradshaw for a 12-yard loss, but the play was nullified by a delay of game penalty on Pittsburgh, bringing up 3rd down and 9 instead of a fourth down. Replays clearly showed the whistle blew before the play's onset, plus most of the players pulled up and stopped playing after a whistle sounded, but Henderson claimed, "I didn't hear a whistle until after I had knocked Bradshaw down. The same guy (Swearingen) made that call too. Who is that guy?" " Franco Harris confronted Henderson for taunting Bradshaw after the whistle, and on the next play, Bradshaw handed the ball off to Harris, who raced untouched, with help from the Umpire Art Demmas impeding Cowboys safety Charlie Waters' attempt to tackle him, up the middle for a 22-yard touchdown run. The next day Waters was quoted as saying, "I don't know what I could do – maybe knock him [Umpire Demmas] flat and maybe he'd knock Franco flat? Our safeties play a vital role in the run. That official gets in the way a lot. He screened me off." This score increased Pittsburgh's lead to 28–17."
https://youtu.be/GmxG1NlrB-c?t=816
Could have been. :lol
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Teams complained about the position of the refs for years. The NFL didn't do anything about it until a few years ago. The Cowboys players can bitch about it all they want, but it was their fault that there was a hole there in the first place.
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The helmet with the minuteman hiking the football is the coolest in the history of football.
Not even being a homer, but I totally agree that it's a very cool logo.
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Teams complained about the position of the refs for years. The NFL didn't do anything about it until a few years ago. The Cowboys players can bitch about it all they want, but it was their fault that there was a hole there in the first place.
If I'm not mistaken, only the umpire used to line up in the middle of the action (generally, right behind the linebackers). All of the other officials were (and still are) on the sidelines or sufficiently behind the offensive backfield (the referee) or the secondary (back judge) to avoid any interference. The umpire has fairly recently been moved to be opposite the referee behind the backfield. However, when the umpire was behind the linebackers, he was constantly getting in the way. It's somewhat similar to the officials in ice hockey. You just have to deal with them, and I assume astute offensive players would make moves specifically to use the umpire as an inadvertent blocker.
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The only contribution I can make to the thread today:
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:clap: Best post I've seen in here for a long time. :lol
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The only contribution I can make to the thread today:
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I've enjoyed your pain Bill. :biggrin:
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Still the dumbest ending of a game I’ve ever witnessed.
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Also, can we put David Tyree on the Pats Mt Rushmore? :P
What no Manningham as well? :lol
Nah. The Manningham play was a great throw and catch; nothing flukey about it. The Tyree play is the definition of a fluke.
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You don't have to tell me that. I died inside that moment. :lol
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The best part was that it happened against that dirty piece of crap Rodney Harrison.
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We all hate the dirty crap players until their on your team. I admit it!
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In my defense, I never liked Bill Romanowski or Aqib Talib when they were on the Broncos. Sure, I cheered when they made plays for the Broncos, but that was cheering a positive for my team, not for those a-holes.
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It was their on field antics I bet. Talib only had 1 incident here. It wasn't big but the hood squashed it right away.
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Guess Shady was an apt nickname
https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/07/10/photo-surfaces-accusing-bills-rb-lesean-mccoy-of-domestic-violence-ped-use/
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Guess Shady was an apt nickname
https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/07/10/photo-surfaces-accusing-bills-rb-lesean-mccoy-of-domestic-violence-ped-use/
Damn that is really bad assuming it's a legit IG account of her friend and not a troll. The PEDs are nothing compared to the accusation of such a beating to someone, let alone to his child and pet as well.
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It was their on field antics I bet. Talib only had 1 incident here. It wasn't big but the hood squashed it right away.
I assume you're talking about his meltdown against Steve Smith. Yeah, Bill stopped that shit pretty fast. Not enough coaches have the balls to sit a crucial player like that (looking in Tom Coughlin's direction).
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Guess Shady was an apt nickname
https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/07/10/photo-surfaces-accusing-bills-rb-lesean-mccoy-of-domestic-violence-ped-use/
Damn that is really bad assuming it's a legit IG account of her friend and not a troll. The PEDs are nothing compared to the accusation of such a beating to someone, let alone to his child and pet as well.
He said he hasn't seen the girl in months. That'll be a really simple thing to ascertain. For once we should actually have a pretty good idea of whether or not the allegations are correct (not that it'll make any difference to the league).
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Did anything ever come out after his Women's Only party before he left Philly?
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Guess Shady was an apt nickname
https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/07/10/photo-surfaces-accusing-bills-rb-lesean-mccoy-of-domestic-violence-ped-use/
Damn that is really bad assuming it's a legit IG account of her friend and not a troll. The PEDs are nothing compared to the accusation of such a beating to someone, let alone to his child and pet as well.
He said he hasn't seen the girl in months. That'll be a really simple thing to ascertain. For once we should actually have a pretty good idea of whether or not the allegations are correct (not that it'll make any difference to the league).
Yea, I hope if this turns out to be a false accusation that we see this person get into some legal trouble. Should be easy for the authorities to figure out if he was involved or not, I would think. It better make a difference to the league too. The accusation seems worse than Ray Rice, but it better be true if the league is going to treat him similar.
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Guess Shady was an apt nickname
https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/07/10/photo-surfaces-accusing-bills-rb-lesean-mccoy-of-domestic-violence-ped-use/
Damn that is really bad assuming it's a legit IG account of her friend and not a troll. The PEDs are nothing compared to the accusation of such a beating to someone, let alone to his child and pet as well.
He said he hasn't seen the girl in months. That'll be a really simple thing to ascertain. For once we should actually have a pretty good idea of whether or not the allegations are correct (not that it'll make any difference to the league).
Yea, I hope if this turns out to be a false accusation that we see this person get into some legal trouble. Should be easy for the authorities to figure out if he was involved or not, I would think. It better make a difference to the league too. The accusation seems worse than Ray Rice, but it better be true if the league is going to treat him similar.
Man, this thing has OJ level tabloid intrigue all over it. It also has some OJ behavior in it, as well (the burglary, not the beheading). From what we're hearing he's been trying to evict the girl and her son for a while, and she has been ducking the notification. Last night there was a home invasion where intruders demanded some specific possessions of his and roughed her up a little. That does sound a little shady. Personally, I've never gotten the impression that McCoy was particularly smart, and definitely not smart enough to successfully pull off something like this, or organize such a conspiracy. If he's involved we'll know soon enough.
As for the league, it's been made abundantly clear that fairness is not part of the equation. In fact, the legal matter at hand during the deflategate legal proceedings was the league defending its right to not be fair. From what I've seen since then I think it's taking that right and running with it. What happens regarding this will happen whether he actually did it or not. The thing he has going for him is that I don't know of any particular resentment towards Terry Pegula. That'll help his cause.
Also, if he actually is in the clear regarding this I'd expect to see a lawsuit filed against the accuser PDQ.
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Met Cam Wake today at the Verizon store. Very nice guy. Nice Ferrari too.
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If it turns out that the guys who beat up the victim are connected to McCoy, it will stick to him, even if it turns out he didn't orchestrate the home invasion and assault.
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Ray Lewis.
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Met Cam Wake today at the Verizon store. Very nice guy. Nice Ferrari too.
That's awesome!
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Shady stuff indeed. Due process can play out and all... but this doesn't look good....
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/ny-sports-lesean-mccoy-instagram-allegation-20180710-story.html
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Met Cam Wake today at the Verizon store. Very nice guy. Nice Ferrari too.
Guy has a good story as a PSU linebacker (He went by Derek Wake back then) when I was a freshman. He was good, but not NFL good and made his way through the CFL before making an impact in the NFL.
If it turns out that the guys who beat up the victim are connected to McCoy, it will stick to him, even if it turns out he didn't orchestrate the home invasion and assault.
Yea, it's going to be hard to keep people from associating him with this even if it wasn't him actually involved. I could definitely see the NFL making a statement as well, and of course they don't need evidence to do so.
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“I support and stand by my boy, Shady,” Incognito said Tuesday night on Twitter. “I know the full story and he didn’t do it. People can be quick to make false assumptions without knowing the full story.”
Well there you have it. Incognito cleared it up for us!
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:lol
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Attorney Tanya Mitchell Graham says in a statement to news outlets that her client was physically assaulted Tuesday morning by a man who entered the home with no signs of forced entry. The man demanded specific items of jewelry that had been gifted to her from McCoy, who had requested them back on many occasions.
For God's sake, if you're going to try and pull something like this have them take every piece of jewelry in the house, but only after you take a variety of other things. What you actually came for should seem like an afterthought. This isn't rocket science.
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Attorney Tanya Mitchell Graham says in a statement to news outlets that her client was physically assaulted Tuesday morning by a man who entered the home with no signs of forced entry. The man demanded specific items of jewelry that had been gifted to her from McCoy, who had requested them back on many occasions.
For God's sake, if you're going to try and pull something like this have them take every piece of jewelry in the house, but only after you take a variety of other things. What you actually came for should seem like an afterthought. This isn't rocket science.
Exactly. This was way too specific!
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yikes, shady indeed
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I think I'd rather have Donald Trump as my character witness than Richie Incognito. "Shady". Jeez.
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Ray Lewis.
Prophetic much? McCoy just hired the same attorney here in Atlanta that go Lewis off.
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Ray Lewis.
Prophetic much? McCoy just hired the same attorney here in Atlanta that go Lewis off.
Completely off topic, but I have to ask. Is there any way that you could change your avatar? I had the greatest urge to upchuck after I seen it... :-[
I'm usually one to give the benefit of doubt when I hear/see these things come out against a celebrity of any kind. Something about this story stinks, and I wouldn't be surprised by any lengths that someone would go to to smear a celebrity. See the current situation with Chris Hardwick.
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Hardwick seems like a dick, but not a sexual predator.
With McCoy, there has been an awful lot of smoke around him for a few years now for there to continue to be no fire.
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That's fair. To be honest, I really don't know anything about him off the field, but it just seems to be the "in thing" to accuse male celebrities of all kinds of misdeeds lately. I'm absolutely certain that a great many of the accusations are legitimate, but so many people are willing to crucify them with little, or no verifiable evidence.
The accusations could absolutely be true, but it seems like a lot of people are so quick to assume the worst. And I want to point out that I'm not pointing to anyone in the forum in particular. It's meant to be a general observation.
Sorry for taking the discussion into the P/R territory.
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Just bought my presale tix for the Rams vs. Chiefs Monday night Game in Mexico City! Gonna be a blast!!! Hopefully will have a good size group going. Trying to decipher exactly where the seats are located is another story. :lol They don't make it easy on their seating chart.
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Just bought my presale tix for the Rams vs. Chiefs Monday night Game in Mexico City! Gonna be a blast!!! Hopefully will have a good size group going. Trying to decipher exactly where the seats are located is another story. :lol They don't make it easy on their seating chart.
That whole process can be pretty confusing for us gringos. In my experience all of the rules that apply for locals purchasing tickets are reversed for foreigners, and they don't really explain that.
"There will be absolutely no will call at this event."
"So, where do I get my tickets?"
"From will call. Why do you ask?" :lol
Be sure and eat breakfast at el Cardenal one morning. That's the best part of going to DF in my book.
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Just bought my presale tix for the Rams vs. Chiefs Monday night Game in Mexico City! Gonna be a blast!!! Hopefully will have a good size group going. Trying to decipher exactly where the seats are located is another story. :lol They don't make it easy on their seating chart.
That whole process can be pretty confusing for us gringos. In my experience all of the rules that apply for locals purchasing tickets are reversed for foreigners, and they don't really explain that.
"There will be absolutely no will call at this event."
"So, where do I get my tickets?"
"From will call. Why do you ask?" :lol
Be sure and eat breakfast at el Cardenal one morning. That's the best part of going to DF in my book.
And bring a ton of Imodium.
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Just bought my presale tix for the Rams vs. Chiefs Monday night Game in Mexico City! Gonna be a blast!!! Hopefully will have a good size group going. Trying to decipher exactly where the seats are located is another story. :lol They don't make it easy on their seating chart.
That whole process can be pretty confusing for us gringos. In my experience all of the rules that apply for locals purchasing tickets are reversed for foreigners, and they don't really explain that.
"There will be absolutely no will call at this event."
"So, where do I get my tickets?"
"From will call. Why do you ask?" :lol
Be sure and eat breakfast at el Cardenal one morning. That's the best part of going to DF in my book.
And bring a ton of Imodium.
Yeah... I'm a Mex expert :P it's Lomitil down there! :biggrin: Drink bottled water and do NOT eat salads!!! :lol I'll find some info on the Restaurant Barto!
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Just bought my presale tix for the Rams vs. Chiefs Monday night Game in Mexico City! Gonna be a blast!!! Hopefully will have a good size group going. Trying to decipher exactly where the seats are located is another story. :lol They don't make it easy on their seating chart.
That whole process can be pretty confusing for us gringos. In my experience all of the rules that apply for locals purchasing tickets are reversed for foreigners, and they don't really explain that.
"There will be absolutely no will call at this event."
"So, where do I get my tickets?"
"From will call. Why do you ask?" :lol
Be sure and eat breakfast at el Cardenal one morning. That's the best part of going to DF in my book.
And bring a ton of Imodium.
Yeah... I'm a Mex expert :P it's Lomitil down there! :biggrin: Drink bottled water and do NOT eat salads!!! :lol I'll find some info on the Restaurant Barto!
Yeah, it's the salads that fool people. The water is actually potable for us gabachos, now. Still, I don't take chances. Even though it's only a two hour flight home I sure don't want it to turn ugly.
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Want to get back on track with the team a day thing. We got done 27/32. May as well finish up!
Today's team, the Pittsburgh Steelers
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6 League Championships (1974, 1975, 1978, 1979, 2005, 2008)
My Mount Rushmore would be Jack Lambert, Joe Greene, Antonio Brown & Troy Polamalu(Apologies to countless others)
Uniforms..... they're okay. Helmets are terrible. Throwbacks are terrible.
Memorable moments.... they've been involved in so many of them throughout league history. But for the sake of this, I'll call out the 2005 Divisional Round game at Indy. Whacky, crazy game.
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^ Hines Ward should be nowhere near that list.
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^ Hines Ward should be nowhere near that list.
I have to disagree with you, somewhat. It's true that he isn't the best WR that the team ever had, but he was a force. Not many WR's get credited for their blocking abilities, but he was easily the best ever at his position.
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^ Hines Ward should be nowhere near that list.
He wasn't the most talented player... but the intangibles... got under people's skin.....
then again.. I just realized that I completely forgot about Troy P...... so yeah, Troy's in Hines' out!
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Off the top of my head I'd say all these guys are ahead of Hines -
Big Ben
Terry Bradshaw
Jack Lambert
Joe Greene
Franco Harris
Rod Woodson
Jack Ham
Troy Polamalu
Jerome Bettis
Lynn Swan
etc...
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Hines Ward is usually the kind of player I like. Work ethic, does more than even his teammates think he's capable of, the guy you absolutely want on your team, but loathe when he's on the other side...
My four: Greene, Lambert, Blount, Bradshaw
Honorable mention: Harris, Ham, Roethlisberger, Swann, Woodson
Troy was a great player, but not sure how he makes the list and Blount and Woodson don't. And despite what I said, Ward doesn't elevate to that level.
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First Steeler game I saw was actually Super Bowl XIV because my father was watching it. Seeing Swann and Stallworth making those great catches, Bradshaw chucking those bombs, and those dynamic defensive players made me fall in love with the team. I was completely unaware of the team’s history at the time (I was 12). So of course I had to wait 26 years to see them win another :-[.
Anyway, offensively for me it goes Ben-Brown-Harris-Stallworth-Swann-Bradshaw which is leaving out several deserving o-linemen. Defensively it’s Mean Joe-Lambert-Polamalu-Harrison-Ham-Greenwood etc etc etc so my Mount Rushmore is the first 2 of each group.
edit: whoops, forgot Blount. Good call Stadler.
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I'm a huge "homer" for this team despite the fact that I live in another team's territory. Making a definitive Mount Rushmore for them almost seems like an impossible task. This team is deep with great and legendary players at almost every position in the modern/SB era.
QB: Bradshaw, Ben.
HB: Rocky Bleier (The man received a Purple Heart in Viet Nam, then played his NFL career as the primary lead blocker for Franco Harris with half a foot missing), Barry Foster and Jerome Bettis.
FB: Franco Harris.
WR: Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Louis Lipps, Hines Ward and Antonio Brown.
TE: Heath Miller (not outstanding numbers, but he did everything at the position).
OL: Mike Webster, Tunch Ilken, Dermonti Dawson, Alan Fanecca and Pouncey.
DL: Joe Greene, Dwight White, Joel Steede, Casey Hampton.
LB: Jack Lambert, Jack Ham, Greg Lloyd, Kevin Greene, Jason Gildon, Joey Porter and He who shall not be named.
CB: Mel Blount and Rod Woodson.
Safety: Carnell Lake and Troy.
ST: Gary Anderson.
And that's not mentioning any of the coaches.
The most memorable game for me would be the SB against the Cardinals. Each team had some spectacular plays, and the game came right down to the end.
The most painful memory is the SB against the Cowboys in the mid 90's.
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I'm a huge "homer" for this team despite the fact that I live in another team's territory. Making a definitive Mount Rushmore for them almost seems like an impossible task. This team is deep with great and legendary players at almost every position in the modern/SB era.
QB: Bradshaw, Ben.
HB: Rocky Bleier (The man received a Purple Heart in Viet Nam, then played his NFL career as the primary lead blocker for Franco Harris with half a foot missing), Barry Foster and Jerome Bettis.
FB: Franco Harris.
WR: Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Louis Lipps, Hines Ward and Antonio Brown.
TE: Heath Miller (not outstanding numbers, but he did everything at the position).
OL: Mike Webster, Tunch Ilken, Dermonti Dawson, Alan Fanecca and Pouncey.
DL: Joe Greene, Dwight White, Joel Steede, Casey Hampton.
LB: Jack Lambert, Jack Ham, Greg Lloyd, Kevin Greene, Jason Gildon, Joey Porter and He who shall not be named.
CB: Mel Blount and Rod Woodson.
Safety: Carnell Lake and Troy.
ST: Gary Anderson.
And that's not mentioning any of the coaches.
The most memorable game for me would be the SB against the Cardinals. Each team had some spectacular plays, and the game came right down to the end.
The most painful memory is the SB against the Cowboys in the mid 90's.
Yes, I always backed Neil O’Donnell until he utterly CHOKED that game away. Spineless douche.
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I'm a huge "homer" for this team despite the fact that I live in another team's territory. Making a definitive Mount Rushmore for them almost seems like an impossible task. This team is deep with great and legendary players at almost every position in the modern/SB era.
QB: Bradshaw, Ben.
HB: Rocky Bleier (The man received a Purple Heart in Viet Nam, then played his NFL career as the primary lead blocker for Franco Harris with half a foot missing), Barry Foster and Jerome Bettis.
FB: Franco Harris.
WR: Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Louis Lipps, Hines Ward and Antonio Brown.
TE: Heath Miller (not outstanding numbers, but he did everything at the position).
OL: Mike Webster, Tunch Ilken, Dermonti Dawson, Alan Fanecca and Pouncey.
DL: Joe Greene, Dwight White, Joel Steede, Casey Hampton.
LB: Jack Lambert, Jack Ham, Greg Lloyd, Kevin Greene, Jason Gildon, Joey Porter and He who shall not be named.
CB: Mel Blount and Rod Woodson.
Safety: Carnell Lake and Troy.
ST: Gary Anderson.
And that's not mentioning any of the coaches.
The most memorable game for me would be the SB against the Cardinals. Each team had some spectacular plays, and the game came right down to the end.
The most painful memory is the SB against the Cowboys in the mid 90's.
Yes, I always backed Neil O’Donnell until he utterly CHOKED that game away. Spineless douche.
For a moment, I thought about adding his name to the list. Had he not left after the SB for a big pay check in New York I think that his legacy might have been different. I remember reading that one or two of those picks were due to a WR running the wrong route, but my memory on it is pretty fuzzy.
My second most painful game memory is the AFC Championship the year before against the Chargers. Can you imagine a healthy Rod Woodson in his prime lining up against Jerry Rice? Kevin Greene and Greg Lloyd rushing Steve Young? That would have been an incredible game.
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Want to get back on track with the team a day thing. We got done 27/32. May as well finish up!
Today's team, the Pittsburgh Steelers
This is an almost impossible Mt. Rushmore. My initial instinct was Bradshaw, Lambert, Harris, Greene. That doesn't feel right because it doesn't include anyone who played in the last 35 years, but whom would I remove to add anyone more recent? Honestly, the only more recent Steeler I'd be inclined to include would be Roethlisberger or Polamalu, but I really can't see either of them displacing any of the four I mentioned (and, frankly, there'd probably be half a dozen other older players I'd put before them).
Too many memorable games -- even beyond the Super Bowls. Lots of battles with my Broncos. The first two that come to mind are the AFC Championship Game that the Broncos won to advance to Super Bowl 32 and the Tim Tebow game back in whatever year that was (2010 or so).
By the way, the Steelers uniforms, including the helmets (but NOT including the bumblebee throwbacks), are AWESOME!
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I'm a huge "homer" for this team despite the fact that I live in another team's territory. Making a definitive Mount Rushmore for them almost seems like an impossible task. This team is deep with great and legendary players at almost every position in the modern/SB era.
QB: Bradshaw, Ben.
HB: Rocky Bleier (The man received a Purple Heart in Viet Nam, then played his NFL career as the primary lead blocker for Franco Harris with half a foot missing), Barry Foster and Jerome Bettis.
FB: Franco Harris.
WR: Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Louis Lipps, Hines Ward and Antonio Brown.
TE: Heath Miller (not outstanding numbers, but he did everything at the position).
OL: Mike Webster, Tunch Ilken, Dermonti Dawson, Alan Fanecca and Pouncey.
DL: Joe Greene, Dwight White, Joel Steede, Casey Hampton.
LB: Jack Lambert, Jack Ham, Greg Lloyd, Kevin Greene, Jason Gildon, Joey Porter and He who shall not be named.
CB: Mel Blount and Rod Woodson.
Safety: Carnell Lake and Troy.
ST: Gary Anderson.
And that's not mentioning any of the coaches.
The most memorable game for me would be the SB against the Cardinals. Each team had some spectacular plays, and the game came right down to the end.
The most painful memory is the SB against the Cowboys in the mid 90's.
Fantastic list.
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Hines Ward shouldn't be anywhere near this list. Too many great players played for the Steelers for a player who was merely "very good" to make it.
My second most painful game memory is the AFC Championship the year before against the Chargers. Can you imagine a healthy Rod Woodson in his prime lining up against Jerry Rice? Kevin Greene and Greg Lloyd rushing Steve Young? That would have been an incredible game.
Eh, I am not sure the result would have been that different. The 49ers were an avalanche that no one was stopping that year and it didn't matter who from the AFC was the team to get stomped.
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Yeah Niners were gonna win no matter what, but one of my buddies is a big Niners fan so we were hoping for that matchup regardless.
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It's fun to think of near-miss Super Bowls. The one that always comes to mind for me is getting the Broncos and Falcons in SB 33 instead of The Broncos and Vikings.
But that works both ways. Imagine being stuck with the Jets and Bears for SB 45 instead of the Steelers and Packers. Sure, I'd be happy for those fanbases, but Sanchez vs. Cutler (or his backup)? Wow....
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Packers/Patriots 3 1/2 years ago is a biggie for me.
Just think, if some dopey TE doesn't botch an onside kick in the NFCCG:
-it is very possible that Aaron Rodgers gets a 2nd ring
-Brady/Belichick suffer their 3rd Super Bowl loss then instead of getting their 4th win
-the Seahawks possibly do not fall apart as quickly as they did because of internal issues due to the play call that many players felt cost them SB49
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Packers/Patriots 3 1/2 years ago is a biggie for me.
Just think, if some dopey TE doesn't botch an onside kick in the NFCCG:
-it is very possible that Aaron Rodgers gets a 2nd ring
-Brady/Belichick suffer their 3rd Super Bowl loss then instead of getting their 4th win
-the Seahawks possibly do not fall apart as quickly as they did because of internal issues due to the play call that many players felt cost them SB49
We all miss out on a fantastic, pressure-cooker of an ending. What we got was a helluva game.
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It's fun to think of near-miss Super Bowls. The one that always comes to mind for me is getting the Broncos and Falcons in SB 33 instead of The Broncos and Vikings.
But that works both ways. Imagine being stuck with the Jets and Bears for SB 45 instead of the Steelers and Packers. Sure, I'd be happy for those fanbases, but Sanchez vs. Cutler (or his backup)? Wow....
In 33, the Broncos would have beaten the Vikings just as they did the Falcons. The game was not as "close" as the final 34-19 score indicates.
Jets (Sanchez) v. Bears (Cutler) would have been a lot like SB 35 with Trent Dilfer v. Kerry Collins. Probably the second worst Super Bowl in the last 20 years (48 was the worst, unless you're a Seahawks fan).
Packers/Patriots 3 1/2 years ago is a biggie for me.
Just think, if some dopey TE doesn't botch an onside kick in the NFCCG:
-it is very possible that Aaron Rodgers gets a 2nd ring
-Brady/Belichick suffer their 3rd Super Bowl loss then instead of getting their 4th win
-the Seahawks possibly do not fall apart as quickly as they did because of internal issues due to the play call that many players felt cost them SB49
There was a lot more to that loss than the onside kick. The Packers were up 16-0 at halftime and just gave that game away.
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One curious thing about Aaron Rodgers, as awesome as he is, is that he has one of the absolute worst 4th quarter comeback/game winning drive records in the game. Everyone remembers the few miracle ones he engineered, but overall his record is dismal. Maybe just random statistical noise, but all the usual suspects like Brady, Ben, Brees, Stafford are near the top of the list and Rodgers is all alone among franchise QBs at the bottom.
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Packers/Patriots 3 1/2 years ago is a biggie for me.
Just think, if some dopey TE doesn't botch an onside kick in the NFCCG:
-it is very possible that Aaron Rodgers gets a 2nd ring
-Brady/Belichick suffer their 3rd Super Bowl loss then instead of getting their 4th win
-the Seahawks possibly do not fall apart as quickly as they did because of internal issues due to the play call that many players felt cost them SB49
Champions make plays. Not what if's.
I have no excuses for the Pat's loss this year. They didn't make the one play on defense that the Eagles did and the Eagles deserve all the credit.
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Today's team, the New York Giants
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8 League Championships (1927, 1934, 1938, 1956, 1986, 1990, 2007, 2011)
Mount Rushmore for me - Lawrence Taylor, Michael Strahan, Frank Gifford, Phil Simms
Loved the uniforms/helmets from the 80s/90s. Modern look is a significant downgrade. Don't get the gray pants at all, and the lack of blue on the road white tops makes no sense to me.
Memorable games for me, 2002 Wild Card vs. S.F., 2007 NFC Championship game @G.B, the two N.E. Super Bowls. Memorable moments.... OBJ's catches, particularly that insane one from the SNF game his rookie season.
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Hines Ward is usually the kind of player I like. Work ethic, does more than even his teammates think he's capable of, the guy you absolutely want on your team, but loathe when he's on the other side...
My four: Greene, Lambert, Blount, Bradshaw
Honorable mention: Harris, Ham, Roethlisberger, Swann, Woodson
Troy was a great player, but not sure how he makes the list and Blount and Woodson don't. And despite what I said, Ward doesn't elevate to that level.
Funny thing about Hines, I loved watching him play and never realized he was hated or considered a dirty player until I started reading other teams’ message boards. I think the reputation is overblown, most of it stems from a few games against bitter division rivals like the Ravens and Bengals.
I know linebackers and d-backs didn’t like him because he didn’t go over the middle like a shrinking violet and alligator-arm the ball, he’d take the nastiest hits and get up smiling. Toughest receiver I ever watched.
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I think Eli Manning is Giants Mt Rushmore material. He may not be a HOFer but he won two championships and he played a large part in those wins and has been a consistent good guy for the franchise for a really long time.
Those memorable games are pretty spot on
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I think Eli Manning is Giants Mt Rushmore material. He may not be a HOFer but he won two championships and he played a large part in those wins and has been a consistent good guy for the franchise for a really long time.
Those memorable games are pretty spot on
I think that he's definitely going to be in the HOF. The down years have been pretty ugly, but those SB wins are going to lock it up for him. If they'd put a line in front of him he'd still be extremely dangerous.
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Lawrence Taylor; Eli Manning; Michael Strahan; Frank Gifford
Honorable mentions: Harry Carson; Fran Tarkenton; Pat Summerall; Spider Lockhart; YA Tittle; Charlie Connerly
I'm putting it out there: Lawrence Taylor may be my vote for greatest player in the history of the NFL.
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I'm putting it out there: Lawrence Taylor may be my vote for greatest player in the history of the NFL.
For his position, I doubt that very many people would argue with you.
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Packers/Patriots 3 1/2 years ago is a biggie for me.
Just think, if some dopey TE doesn't botch an onside kick in the NFCCG:
-it is very possible that Aaron Rodgers gets a 2nd ring
-Brady/Belichick suffer their 3rd Super Bowl loss then instead of getting their 4th win
-the Seahawks possibly do not fall apart as quickly as they did because of internal issues due to the play call that many players felt cost them SB49
We all miss out on a fantastic, pressure-cooker of an ending. What we got was a helluva game.
True. I was looking at it more from a long-lasting/legacy standpoint it had on three different NFL franchises.
There was a lot more to that loss than the onside kick. The Packers were up 16-0 at halftime and just gave that game away.
Very true, but I mentioned just the onside kick because that was a simple "do your job" play that had the Packers recovered it, the game was over. To me, if I were a Packers fan, the play that would stick in my craw even more was the INT with 4-5 minutes left where Peppers told the player to go down instead of continuing the run back (where he likely scores and makes it 26-7). The stupidity of that still amazes me.
One curious thing about Aaron Rodgers, as awesome as he is, is that he has one of the absolute worst 4th quarter comeback/game winning drive records in the game. Everyone remembers the few miracle ones he engineered, but overall his record is dismal. Maybe just random statistical noise, but all the usual suspects like Brady, Ben, Brees, Stafford are near the top of the list and Rodgers is all alone among franchise QBs at the bottom.
I am not going to hold it against Rodgers that he is usually so great for all 4 quarters to where he doesn't have to come back and win, or because sometimes he led his team back and then the defense blew it.
I'm putting it out there: Lawrence Taylor may be my vote for greatest player in the history of the NFL.
To me, he is the conversation along with Jerry Rice (still my pick for the best), Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Barry Sanders, etc.
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I don't want to sabotage the conversation, but as much as I love Tom Brady, and as much as he dominates the game (meaning, the game he's playing in), Lawrence Taylor dominated the game (meaning the entire game). Brady isn't really doing anything "new", he's just doing it at a higher level than we're used to. Lawrence Taylor was like no other linebacker before him.
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The story Parcells tells at 1:30 of this is so awesome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHC15HYwJ5Q
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Today's team, the New York Giants
Mt. Rushmore: Lawrence Taylor, Eli Manning (easily over Phil Simms, Michael Strahan and Harry Carson. Oddly, for such an old team, there are not a ton of obvious selections (as with the Steelers). I thought about Title, Gifford and Summerall, but they all predate me, so I just don't know them well enough.
Memorable games: sadly, Super Bowls 21, 25, 42 and 46. Can't really think of any others.
Today's team, The Cleveland Browns
We did the Browns already -- back on June 25: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=51825.msg2449972;topicseen#msg2449972
The Browns do not have 8 NFL championships. They have 4. They also have 4 AAFC championships (1946-49), which most certainly are not NFL championships (and, if you want to count AAFC championships as NFL championships, then we should probably also count AFL championships (3 for the Texans/Chiefs, 2 each for the Bills and Oilers/Titans, and 1 each for the Chargers, Raiders and Jets)).
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I thought he did too, and sure enough he did! They are such a badass franchise they must deserve two entries!
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=51825.msg2449972#msg2449972
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Today's team, the New York Giants
Mt. Rushmore: Lawrence Taylor, Eli Manning (easily over Phil Simms, Michael Strahan and Harry Carson. Oddly, for such an old team, there are not a ton of obvious selections (as with the Steelers). I thought about Title, Gifford and Summerall, but they all predate me, so I just don't know them well enough.
Memorable games: sadly, Super Bowls 21, 25, 42 and 46. Can't really think of any others.
Today's team, The Cleveland Browns
We did the Browns already -- back on June 25: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=51825.msg2449972;topicseen#msg2449972
The Browns do not have 8 NFL championships. They have 4. They also have 4 AAFC championships (1946-49), which most certainly are not NFL championships (and, if you want to count AAFC championships as NFL championships, then we should probably also count AFL championships (3 for the Texans/Chiefs, 2 each for the Bills and Oilers/Titans, and 1 each for the Chargers, Raiders and Jets)).
LOL I thought it was familiar.....guess the list I was going off of screwed me up. Lol oh well. Thanks wikipedia
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Alright... moving on.
Today's team, the Chicago Bears (Da Bears)
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League Championships 9 (1921, 1932, 1933, 1940, 1941, 1943, 1946, 1963, 1985)
Mount Rushmore for me.... Walter Payton, Dick Butkus, Gale Sayers, Mike Singletary
Really like the uniforms and helmets. A classic look.
Memorable games for me... 2006 comeback win against the Cardinals. Not much else in the past 30ish years comes to mind.
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Alright... moving on.
Today's team, the Chicago Bears (Da Bears)
Mt. Rushmore: Walter Payton, Mike Singletary, Dick Butkus, Bronco Nagurski. Honorable mentions: Ditka, Sayers and Red Grange.
Memorable games: Mostly Super Bowl 20 (and to a much lesser extent SB 41). I also remember a game (I think it was on Thanksgiving probably 20-30 years ago) against the Lions where the Bears tied it late in regulation, won the coin toss, and returned the opening kickoff of OT for a touchdown. I think that was the Bears.
Revisiting the Giants: Another memorable game is from the late 70s or early 80s where the Giants were running out the clock in a close game and the QB (Joe Pisarchik?) handed off the ball instead of taking a knee and fumbled and an Eagles player returned the fumble for a touchdown.
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Super Bowl XX is the first one I can remember watching. I am sure I watched earlier ones with my dad, but was either too young or didn't have any football knowledge or interest to retain any memory of them.
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Revisiting the Giants: Another memorable game is from the late 70s or early 80s where the Giants were running out the clock in a close game and the QB (Joe Pisarchik?) handed off the ball instead of taking a knee and fumbled and an Eagles player returned the fumble for a touchdown.
Fuck you. haha, I'm kidding. Kind of. Not really.
All Pisarcik had to do was take a knee to seal the victory, but no, he couldn't do that, he HAD to hand it off to Larry Csonka. Herm Edwards took it into the endzone for a touchdown which gave the Eagles the win. It was 1978, but I remember that like it was yesterday.
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Bears: Payton, Butkus, Singletary, McMahon.
Yep, I said it. I loved that guy. He won wherever he was, even when he wasn't supposed to. Yeah, he was a dumbass in terms of playing harder than he did smart, but you couldn't count any team out if he was behind center, and I value that very highly.
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Revisiting the Giants: Another memorable game is from the late 70s or early 80s where the Giants were running out the clock in a close game and the QB (Joe Pisarchik?) handed off the ball instead of taking a knee and fumbled and an Eagles player returned the fumble for a touchdown.
Fuck you. haha, I'm kidding. Kind of. Not really.
I love you, Stadler! :-* :-*
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Naturally, a lifelong Bears fan, since I've lived near Chicago all of my life. Brian Urlacher was amazing but constant QB issues (and the lack of protection there-of) are always present. When you watch the Patriots, Tom Brady has at least 7 seconds and a great pocket to work within. When you watch the Bears, their QB has very little time to throw because there is zero protection and a nearly immediate collapse of the pocket. Jay Cutler wasn't a bad quarterback, but they never protected him enough to let him try and do the job well.
I loved having Devin Hester on the team - any time that guy was on the field, you just knew he was capable of doing something spectacular. It's just too bad that he couldn't really catch the ball on offense. Those first two years where teams continued to kick to him were awesome. They rode an amazing defense and kick returner to a Super Bowl. And Tony Dungy made a last minute decision to kick to Hester to open the Super Bowl, which gave him the opportunity to return the opening kick for a touchdown. It was only downhill from there as our defense and Rex Grossman were no match for the Colts and Peyton Manning.
Since then, it's back to generally mediocre football, but we hope things turn around every September. I actually haven't sat down to watch a full game in about 3 years, due to having very young kids and being busy with them every Sunday. I haven't missed much, have I? :)
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My worst Bears memory of all time. They go to the SB with one of the greatest RB's of all time, get down to the goal line and hand the ball off to Refrigerator Perry... Hey Ditka, give Walter a SB touchdown, will ya?
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Living in New England was fun during the time of SB XX. Many of the locals insisted the Patriots had a chance :lol
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My worst Bears memory of all time. They go to the SB with one of the greatest RB's of all time, get down to the goal line and hand the ball off to Refrigerator Perry... Hey Ditka, give Walter a SB touchdown, will ya?
Eh, I always thought that was the most overblown story of all time. Walter Payton got a ring in the twilight of his career, after a HOF career. Had he scored a 1-yard plunge, would anybody remember? Nah.
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Living in New England was fun during the time of SB XX. Many of the locals insisted the Patriots had a chance :lol
You hurt me. :lol
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I think that was the one SB I actually rooted for the Patriots (the cockiness of the Bears annoyed me at the time...I was 12, sue me :lol)...and of course that is the one where they got annihilated.
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It was an easy second half to leave and get food. All the others I ate fingernails. Lol
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My worst Bears memory of all time. They go to the SB with one of the greatest RB's of all time, get down to the goal line and hand the ball off to Refrigerator Perry... Hey Ditka, give Walter a SB touchdown, will ya?
Eh, I always thought that was the most overblown story of all time. Walter Payton got a ring in the twilight of his career, after a HOF career. Had he scored a 1-yard plunge, would anybody remember? Nah.
Maybe, maybe not. But everyone certainly remembers him not getting the call. It's almost as bad as the Seahawks call a few years ago. Walter was that important of a player. Ditka has always had a screw loose.
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It's almost as bad as the Seahawks call a few years ago. Walter was that important of a player. Ditka has always had a screw loose.
Uh, not letting a guy getting a TD in a 46-10 romp is almost as bad as throwing a pass on the 1 yard line with Lynch in the backfield?
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As far as "legacy" for one of the greatest to play the game? Sure. The bears were kicking the shit out of the Pats. You get your legend a TD, instead of some fluke player that nobody would have remembered otherwise. It's insulting.
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Insulting? Oh, come on. :facepalm: :facepalm:
Maybe if Payton had averaged more than 2.8 YPC in the game, he would have scored.
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You do what you do to win. If he was having a bad game, other pick up and guess what? He got a ring.
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My worst Bears memory of all time. They go to the SB with one of the greatest RB's of all time, get down to the goal line and hand the ball off to Refrigerator Perry... Hey Ditka, give Walter a SB touchdown, will ya?
Eh, I always thought that was the most overblown story of all time. Walter Payton got a ring in the twilight of his career, after a HOF career. Had he scored a 1-yard plunge, would anybody remember? Nah.
Maybe, maybe not. But everyone certainly remembers him not getting the call. It's almost as bad as the Seahawks call a few years ago. Walter was that important of a player. Ditka has always had a screw loose.
And I don't get the second guessing. When everyone in the stadium says "they're giving it to Walter/Lynch", I think the coach's job is to make the best tactical decision for the team, emotions be damned. They're not kids, there are no "participation trophies". Payton is no less a legend (and a top flight gentleman) for not scoring a TD, and frankly, he wasn't lighting it up in that game. He had two or three other chances to score from inside the five yard line and blew every one of them. I don't think you can blame Ditka - who later did express regret over not giving him another shot, though Payton never said a cross word about Ditka publicly - for making that call. Same with Pete Carroll. (And unlike Payton, Lynch whined like a baby about the call after, which tells me that Carroll made the right call. Lynch wasn't about the game, he was about Lynch.)
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No doubt that Walter was a class act about it, and throughout his entire career. The entire reason for my stance was that the game was well in hand, and never in doubt. Even if you don't score then you have one of the greatest defenses in the history of the game, and you would have the Pats backed up on their goal line. The chances of the situation going sour on you would almost be next to none at that point. Why not do everything that you can to honor the greatest player in the history of your organization?
I get why you guys don't agree with me, but I'm not off my rocker for feeling the way I do about it. :lol
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Maybe Perry was a beloved human being that they wanted to do something special for.
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Unless I otherwise messed up, this is the last of the 32 teams!
Today's team, the Green Bay Packers
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13 League Championships (1929, 1930, 1931, 1936, 1939, 1944, 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1996, 2010)
Mount Rushmore... here goes nothing..... Vince Lombardi, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Ray Nitschke
Uniforms/helmet are iconic!
Memorable games.... too many to count. But just to name one... their most recent Playoff game against Arizona.
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My Mt. Rushmore: Favre, Rodgers, Starr, Majkowski
HAHA, kidding, I just wanted to see if I could get a Mt. Rushmore with FOUR QBs on one team, but no. My real one is:
Favre, Rodgers, Starr, Nitschke
I've avoided coaches (with the exception of Shula) but if any coach deserves it, it's Lombardi. Also honorable mention to Jerry Kramer, Reggie White, Forrest Gregg, Paul Hornung and Max McGee. Shout out to 60's offensive lineman Bob Skoronski, a friend of my dad's from growing up. If you believe my pop, Bob taught him to drive. Bart Starr has publicly advocated for him (Bob not my dad) to be in the Hall Of Fame.
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Unless I otherwise messed up, this is the last of the 32 teams!
Today's team, the Green Bay Packers
Mt. Rushmore: Bart Starr, Bret Fav-re (although, IMO, he's one of the most overrated players of all time), Ray Nitschke and Don Hutson (honorable mentions to Aaron Rogers, Paul Hornung, Jim Taylor, Jerry Kramer and Reggie White). I really wanted to say Lynn Dickey, but that was mostly because 10 year old me thought his name was funny.
Memorable games: Super Bowl 32, bitches!!! I wasn't around for the first two, and 31 and 45 weren't really all that memorable.
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I know I am biased, but 32 is still the best Super Bowl ever. A legitimately great game for all four quarters, was back and forth the whole way, and had a handful of memorable plays (although the Elway helicopter run gets the most ink now).
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My Mt. Rushmore is Favre, Rodgers, Starr, and The Minister of Defense, Reggie White.
Rodger’s Hail Mary in Detroit might be my favorite play. I was on Cloud 9 for days!
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I have a ton of respect for the Packers franchise and Rodgers. I'd love to see him win another championship or two before he retires, unless he happens to play Denver in the SB one day. :lol
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I know I am biased, but 32 is still the best Super Bowl ever. A legitimately great game for all four quarters, was back and forth the whole way, and had a handful of memorable plays (although the Elway helicopter run gets the most ink now).
I'm also biased, and it was a great game, but I'm not sure it was the best ever. At the time, I thought it was, but I'm not so sure now.
One thing to remember was that the Broncos' win in SB 32 was the first victory for an AFC team in 14 years. It was also the legitimately close Super Bowl since 25 (NYG over BUF). The average margin of victory in 26-31 was nearly 19 points, and the lowest margin of victory in any of those games was 10 points (30 - DAL > PIT). If you go back even further, in the 20 Super Bowls between 12-31, only four Super Bowls had margins of victor of under 10 points (13, 16, 23 and 25). We were starved for a close game, and the Broncos and Packers delivered for us, and the Broncos also delivered a nice set of double middle fingers to all the jackwagons who said the AFC couldn't win.
In the 21 Super Bowls from 32-52, the average margin of victory has been 13.33 points (that average is significantly skewed by three games: 35, 37 and 48), and we've had ten games with margins of victory under 7 points, and the first ever overtime Super Bowl.
All that said, 32 is easily top 5, and it's certainly my favorite.
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I know I am biased, but 32 is still the best Super Bowl ever. A legitimately great game for all four quarters, was back and forth the whole way, and had a handful of memorable plays (although the Elway helicopter run gets the most ink now).
I'm also biased, and it was a great game, but I'm not sure it was the best ever. At the time, I thought it was, but I'm not so sure now.
One thing to remember was that the Broncos' win in SB 32 was the first victory for an AFC team in 14 years. It was also the legitimately close Super Bowl since 25 (NYG over BUF). The average margin of victory in 26-31 was nearly 19 points, and the lowest margin of victory in any of those games was 10 points (30 - DAL > PIT). If you go back even further, in the 20 Super Bowls between 12-31, only four Super Bowls had margins of victor of under 10 points (13, 16, 23 and 25). We were starved for a close game, and the Broncos and Packers delivered for us, and the Broncos also delivered a nice set of double middle fingers to all the jackwagons who said the AFC couldn't win.
In the 21 Super Bowls from 32-52, the average margin of victory has been 13.33 points (that average is significantly skewed by three games: 35, 37 and 48), and we've had ten games with margins of victory under 7 points, and the first ever overtime Super Bowl.
All that said, 32 is easily top 5, and it's certainly my favorite.
Your point can't be overstated. I started watching football with SB24. So I had literally never witnessed an AFC team win the SB until the Broncos @SB32. I was certain that the Packers were on track to repeat. I was wrong.
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I know I am biased, but 32 is still the best Super Bowl ever. A legitimately great game for all four quarters, was back and forth the whole way, and had a handful of memorable plays (although the Elway helicopter run gets the most ink now).
I'm also biased, and it was a great game, but I'm not sure it was the best ever. At the time, I thought it was, but I'm not so sure now.
One thing to remember was that the Broncos' win in SB 32 was the first victory for an AFC team in 14 years. It was also the legitimately close Super Bowl since 25 (NYG over BUF). The average margin of victory in 26-31 was nearly 19 points, and the lowest margin of victory in any of those games was 10 points (30 - DAL > PIT). If you go back even further, in the 20 Super Bowls between 12-31, only four Super Bowls had margins of victor of under 10 points (13, 16, 23 and 25). We were starved for a close game, and the Broncos and Packers delivered for us, and the Broncos also delivered a nice set of double middle fingers to all the jackwagons who said the AFC couldn't win.
In the 21 Super Bowls from 32-52, the average margin of victory has been 13.33 points (that average is significantly skewed by three games: 35, 37 and 48), and we've had ten games with margins of victory under 7 points, and the first ever overtime Super Bowl.
All that said, 32 is easily top 5, and it's certainly my favorite.
Your point can't be overstated. I started watching football with SB24. So I had literally never witnessed an AFC team win the SB until the Broncos @SB32. I was certain that the Packers were on track to repeat. I was wrong.
Yeah, it was a brutal couple of decades. The first SB I watched was 12. I almost always rooted for the AFC team. The only times I didn't were 13, 14, 15 and 18 (I was generally neutral during the first 49ers v. Bengals game)....
Since SB 32 was in San Diego, my wife and I and a couple friends drove down for the fan fest the weekend before the game. There was some sort of NFL trivia thing that I did, and before they started, they asked for everyone's predictions for the game. Everyone else said the Packers would win. I predicted not only that the Broncos win but also that the score would be 31-24. Unfortunately for me, I didn't put my money where my mouth was (although I did win one quarter in the "squares" game at the Super Bowl party I attended).
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To me, the best games are see-saw ones with changes of momentum the whole game. A great 4th quarter does not make the whole game great, which is why I disqualify Rams/Titans, Patriots/Panthers, Patriots/Falcons and Steelers/Cardinals from the Best SB EVER conversation.
To me, the only comparable SB to Broncos/Packers is Patriots/Seahawks. Both games had momentum swings non-stop to where you were never sure who was going to win until the very end.
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Tony Sparano's death makes me sad. Removing football from everything, he knew something was wrong so he went to the hospital, they kept him overnight, ran some tests, and was released Friday--dies Sunday morning from natural causes stemming from heart disease. I just find it incredibly sad. Coming from a family with multiple heart attacks resulting in death, it always makes me think when someone passes away from heart related issues. It can just come out of nowhere and the suddenness makes it heartbreaking. My mom had heart failure and quadruple bypass surgery three years ago after really bad bouts of nausea and feet swelling, and that came out of nowhere and it causes symptoms that you never think would be heart related--it goes far beyond just chest pain.
Sorry for rambling, it just strikes me sad that he knew something was wrong, did the right thing and went to the hospital, got checked out, released and then dies a few days later. Just sucks...
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To me, the best games are see-saw ones with changes of momentum the whole game. A great 4th quarter does not make the whole game great, which is why I disqualify Rams/Titans, Patriots/Panthers, Patriots/Falcons and Steelers/Cardinals from the Best SB EVER conversation.
To me, the only comparable SB to Broncos/Packers is Patriots/Seahawks. Both games had momentum swings non-stop to where you were never sure who was going to win until the very end.
I don't disagree about momentum shifts being important, but I do disagree that great 4th quarters cannot elevate a good game to a great game.
Notwithstanding my opinion about SB 32, it had some issues. First, not including when Green Bay scored first, there was only one lead change. After the Broncos took the lead five seconds into the second quarter, they never trailed, although Green Bay did tie the score twice. Also, there were three long periods (all over 11 minutes and one over 12 minutes) where there was no scoring (which isn't to say nothing interesting happened during those periods). I've also seen arguments that the game was somewhat marred by turnovers (total of 5). I don't really agree with that, although the sequence where Denver intercepted the Interception King and then Elway immediately gave the ball back was frustrating.
I agree that SB 49 was comparable. That game had two lead changes after the first score and was tied twice after the first score. The average time between scores was only about 30 seconds longer than 32. There were only 3 total turnovers and, like 32, the biggest lead was 10. Probably not such a great game if you're a fan of defense. The Pats allowing the Hawks to score in only 29 seconds before halftime was inexcusable. And, of course, you have the never ending debate about the play calling at the end of the game.
For kicks, I took a look at a CBS Sports ranking of the first 51 Super Bowls. They had the top five as follows:
1. NE over SEA (49)
2. NYG over NE (42)
3. NE over ATL (51)
4. PIT over DAL (13)
5. NYG over BUF (25)
They had 32 ranked at #13. The poll has obvious recency bias. They also had SB 3 ranked at #8, which is absurd. While that's obviously a historically significant game, in terms of the quality of the game, it was terrible (at least as far as I can tell by reviewing the box score).
For me, 42 wasn't a great game simply because of the dearth of scoring, including nearly 34 minutes of game time elapsed between the Pats taking the lead shortly after the start of the 2nd quarter and Giants taking the lead back with 11 minutes left in the game. On the positive side, there were only 2 total turnovers, neither team ever had more than a 4 point lead, and neither team scored more than once in a row. The game becomes overrated simply because it was a big upset and prevented the Pats from having a perfect season.
51 was exciting for two reasons: big comeback and first SB in OT. However, it was basically two separate blowouts: ATL (28-3) for the first 37 minutes, and NE (31-0) for last 27 minutes. For those reasons -- which are basically what you said, Kev, ranking this game as the #3 SB ever is way overrating it.
I would say SB 13 is somewhat comparable to 32. The time between scores was a little lower, there were two lead changes and two ties after the first score. However, there were 6 turnovers, and one of the more memorable plays is a guy dropping an easy touchdown in the end zone that would have tied the game. After Pittsburgh took an 18 point lead with less than seven minutes in the game, it was basically over, notwithstanding that the Cowboys scored 2 touchdowns before the game ended.
SB 25 pretty much had it all. 4 lead changes and 1 tie after the first score. No lead was greater than 9 points. No turnovers. An average of 6:54 between scores. The only real down side is that the games most (and, arguably, only) memorable play was a MISSED field goal (which, by today's standards, was from a very makeable distance, although not a gimme).
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Tony Sparano's death makes me sad. Removing football from everything, he knew something was wrong so he went to the hospital, they kept him overnight, ran some tests, and was released Friday--dies Sunday morning from natural causes stemming from heart disease. I just find it incredibly sad. Coming from a family with multiple heart attacks resulting in death, it always makes me think when someone passes away from heart related issues. It can just come out of nowhere and the suddenness makes it heartbreaking. My mom had heart failure and quadruple bypass surgery three years ago after really bad bouts of nausea and feet swelling, and that came out of nowhere and it causes symptoms that you never think would be heart related--it goes far beyond just chest pain.
Sorry for rambling, it just strikes me sad that he knew something was wrong, did the right thing and went to the hospital, got checked out, released and then dies a few days later. Just sucks...
I can relate to his scenario. I was having Heart attack symptoms and went to the ER. They ran all kinds of tests for 1 day and a half, Including a stress test. Results were inconclusive. They sent me home and the symptoms returned 2 weeks later. I went to a different ER and they ran the SAME tests, including stress test. The Cardio doc said even though nothing showed on the test they suspected something was wrong so they did and Angiogram. They found 4 blockages, 3 of them stentable, largest blockage was 95%. She was amazed I didn't have an actual Attack.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bill-belichick-texted-jimmy-garoppolo-after-every-win-with-49ers/ar-AAAm2Md?ocid=ientp
Garoppolo will play for the Patriots again, calling it right now (well, I called it before, too, but...)
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Tony Sparano's death makes me sad. Removing football from everything, he knew something was wrong so he went to the hospital, they kept him overnight, ran some tests, and was released Friday--dies Sunday morning from natural causes stemming from heart disease. I just find it incredibly sad. Coming from a family with multiple heart attacks resulting in death, it always makes me think when someone passes away from heart related issues. It can just come out of nowhere and the suddenness makes it heartbreaking. My mom had heart failure and quadruple bypass surgery three years ago after really bad bouts of nausea and feet swelling, and that came out of nowhere and it causes symptoms that you never think would be heart related--it goes far beyond just chest pain.
Sorry for rambling, it just strikes me sad that he knew something was wrong, did the right thing and went to the hospital, got checked out, released and then dies a few days later. Just sucks...
I can relate to his scenario. I was having Heart attack symptoms and went to the ER. They ran all kinds of tests for 1 day and a half, Including a stress test. Results were inconclusive. They sent me home and the symptoms returned 2 weeks later. I went to a different ER and they ran the SAME tests, including stress test. The Cardio doc said even though nothing showed on the test they suspected something was wrong so they did and Angiogram. They found 4 blockages, 3 of them stentable, largest blockage was 95%. She was amazed I didn't have an actual Attack.
I don't trust any of the initial tests they run for chest pains. My Dad had a double bypass 20 years ago and almost like clockwork, about every seven years since, he's needed stents put in. Last time he had chest pains, they ran all the initial tests and everything checked out fine. Knowing his history they did the angiogram and found a blockage. No doubt he doesn't make it if they didn't run the angiogram.
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Notwithstanding my opinion about SB 32, it had some issues. First, not including when Green Bay scored first, there was only one lead change. After the Broncos took the lead five seconds into the second quarter, they never trailed, although Green Bay did tie the score twice. Also, there were three long periods (all over 11 minutes and one over 12 minutes) where there was no scoring (which isn't to say nothing interesting happened during those periods). I've also seen arguments that the game was somewhat marred by turnovers (total of 5). I don't really agree with that, although the sequence where Denver intercepted the Interception King and then Elway immediately gave the ball back was frustrating.
I don't see a lack of lead changes as being an issue, and stretches with no scoring is never bad, as opposed to last year's SB which was non-stop offense.
Remember that the NFC had won like 445 Super Bowls in a row, many of which were blowouts.
GB takes the opening kickoff and goes right down the field for a touchdown.
"Great, here comes another NFC blowout."
Denver gets the ball and goes down for a TD."
"Hmmm, maybe this will be a game."
Denver forces two Favre turnovers and takes a 17-7 lead.
"Damn, not only do we have a ball game, but the Broncos are playing great."
The Broncos force a punt and have a driver stopped due to a procedural penalty that nullified a 1st down in GB territory. Punt.
"Ah, Denver was close to breaking it open."
The Packers get the ball inside their own 5 and go on a long drive that results in a TD at the end of the 2nd Q.
"We have a ball game again!"
Terrell Davis returns to the game, but fumbles the ball on the first play. Packers recover.
"Oh shit, here comes the NFC rout."
Broncos D stiffens and holds GB to a FG.
"Whew, dodged a bullet."
After a mostly scoreless 3rd Q, it ends with Elway's helicopter run and another TD by T.D.
"Broncos have momentum again."
Packers fumble the kickoff. Broncos recover.
"Yes!!"
Elway goes for the kill in the end zone and gets picked off on the first play.
"No!!"
The Packers then take the ball right down the field and score a TD to tie the game at 24.
"Crap, that was our chance and they blew it."
Then, both teams move the ball at times in the 4th, but neither can score.
*chews fingernails*
A Bronco driver stalls around the Packer 40 with under 5 to go and they have to punt.
"Shoot, that was their chance and now Favre is going to drive them down for the win."
Broncos D holds firm again and forces a quick punt.
"THIS is our chance!"
Broncos drive down the field, aided by a Howard Griffith catch where Ed McCaffrey destroys a defender with the greatest WR block I have ever seen, and score a TD with just under 2 left
"We have the lead!"
Packers drive down inside the Broncos 40 and have several shots.
"OMG, I can't watch."
John Mobley knocks Favre's 4th down pass away and the Broncos take over to kill the clock and win the game.
"WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!"
I will never forget Dick Enberg's commentary at the end as Elway took the final kneel:
"Ya know, after he lost to Jacksonville last year, he went home and his sister called him and he broke down crying. His kids, his four children, had never seen their dad cry before. Many of you remember when your dads cry, how important it is. It was a low moment of his great career. THIS then will become the highest moment, the completion of a great career, a Super Bowl championship for John Elway and the Denver Broncos!"
:hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Broncos drive down the field, aided by a Howard Griffith catch where Ed McCaffrey destroys a defender with the greatest WR block I have ever seen, and score a TD with just under 2 left
"We have the lead!"
That Griffith catch and run -- and particularly the McCaffrey block -- was one of the top three plays of that game. The one you didn't mention was the pass where Steve Atwater blew up not only Robert Brooks (intended receiver) but also his own teammate (Randy Hilliard). I was gripping HARD while they pulled the bodies off the field and was REALLY worried that it would leave the Broncos shorthanded for the upcoming 4th down. Interestingly, both of those plays probably would have resulted in penalties against the Broncos if they happened today.
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But not in January of 1998. :tup :tup
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https://deadspin.com/i-hope-people-never-stop-asking-bill-belichick-about-ma-1827860403
:lol :lol
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Tom Ley. I hope your happy going to your grave with no answer. :lol
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Belichick trolling the media is always gold.
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I bet he did that to his kids when he told them 9pm curfew. Lol
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To me, the best games are see-saw ones with changes of momentum the whole game. A great 4th quarter does not make the whole game great, which is why I disqualify Rams/Titans, Patriots/Panthers, Patriots/Falcons and Steelers/Cardinals from the Best SB EVER conversation.
To me, the only comparable SB to Broncos/Packers is Patriots/Seahawks. Both games had momentum swings non-stop to where you were never sure who was going to win until the very end.
Not calling you out, but just wanted to say that these very narrow definitions of what constitutes a "good game" baffle me. Why does a game need to be close or need to have momentum swings to be "good?" I've never understood that. To me, witnessing a completely dominant performance, for example, where team A flawlessly executes can be just as satisfying as a close game, and oftentimes more so.
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Why does a game need to be close or need to have momentum swings to be "good?" I've never understood that. To me, witnessing a completely dominant performance, for example, where team A flawlessly executes can be just as satisfying as a close game, and oftentimes more so.
It's obviously subjective, and it depends on the sport. In baseball, it's awesome to watch a perfect game, although I find it less interesting if it's an 8-0 game, as opposed to a 1-0 or 2-0 game. Or even if it's just a pitchers' duel, I think a 2-1 game is a lot more interesting than a 13-12 game (see, e.g., game 5 of the 2017 World Series, which some folks thought was an "instant classic," but which I thought was a terrible game, even before it was over and my team lost). For me, football is a lot different. Setting aside rooting interest, were Super Bowls 20, 22, 24, 27 and 48 (all 30+ point blowouts) "great games"? IMO, they were all bad games, and they're generally regarded among the worst Super Bowls ever. For the same reason, the 1975 and 1991 World Series are generally regarded as two of the best ever, while the 1976 Series was a steaming pile loved only by Reds and Red Sox fans.
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It's impressive from a precision standpoint to watch one team dissect and dominate another, but you rarely get good games in those instances. What's funny is most of the teams we look back on over the last 35 years as having all-time great defenses ('85 Bears, '00 Ravens, '02 Bucs, '13 Seahawks, '15 Broncos) has forgettable Super Bowls. Broncos/Panthers is the only one that was close (because Carolina's D was also great) and even that wasn't that great (taking my rooting interest out of it). I have seen plenty of Broncos games that they won and that were great to where afterwards you had that feeling like, "Man, that was a great game, and they won!" Only one of their three Super Bowl wins (32) fell into that category.
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Since we had a discussion about each team and their greats over the last couple of months, I've began to wonder what everyone's choices would be for the greatest players at each position would be. I've been having an internal debate, and there's a few positions that I'm having a hard time settling on (QB, Corner and Safety). I'd be interested in seeing the choices that come up in discussion.
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It would be tough to do each position, but for the three positions you are talking about, I'd go with Brady or Peyton at QB (yes, I think it is that close), Ronnie Lott at S, and Deion Sanders at CB.
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Top 3 at each position would give leeway.
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Yep, that way I can include Tebow in the QB tier, at least until Bortles surpasses him.
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His wallet laughs at us all.
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I'd go with Johnny U ( qb ), Ed Reed ( s ) , and Rod Woodson ( cb ). Best that played here at least.
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Top 3 at each position would give leeway.
That's a pretty good idea. I'll probably try to make my list based on that.
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It would be tough to do each position, but for the three positions you are talking about, I'd go with Brady or Peyton at QB (yes, I think it is that close), Ronnie Lott at S, and Deion Sanders at CB.
Other than I think Brady edges out Manning (and I'm a Manning fan), I think this is right on the mark.
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Jake Ryan looks to be out for the year with a torn acl.....
Hate this time of year....
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Injuries like that suck, but this time of year is great...football is coming!! :coolio
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It would be tough to do each position, but for the three positions you are talking about, I'd go with Brady or Peyton at QB (yes, I think it is that close), Ronnie Lott at S, and Deion Sanders at CB.
Other than I think Brady edges out Manning (and I'm a Manning fan), I think this is right on the mark.
It really is a tough call between those guys. I'm struggling between the two of them and Joe. King kind of gave me an out with his suggestion to list three guys, and those are definitely my three. But it makes me wonder about the order...
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Really, you can put them in any order and make a strong argument for it being the correct one.
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Hall of Fame "Game" tonight. Inductions this weekend. Good times.
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Watched a video about Romanowski last night that was a real trip. I'd never actually heard the guy talk and he's pretty much the exact opposite of what I'd expected. His voice and demeanor are completely incongruous with such a raging asshole. He seems like he should be serving food at a Chilis or something, and yet it's a given that on his first day he'd smash a plate across a customer's face leaving them with cuts, burns, and maybe a broken jaw.
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Watched a video about Romanowski last night that was a real trip. I'd never actually heard the guy talk and he's pretty much the exact opposite of what I'd expected. His voice and demeanor are completely incongruous with such a raging asshole. He seems like he should be serving food at a Chilis or something, and yet it's a given that on his first day he'd smash a plate across a customer's face leaving them with cuts, burns, and maybe a broken jaw.
:lol :lol :lol
Romanowski was, is and will always be a Grade A jackoff.
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Having been to Cooperstown last weekend for all of the ceremonies, having visited Canton again last year and friends in attendance this weekend, I watched more of the 'Opening' game tonight than the last twenty years combined. Enjoyed the incoming inductees entrance, their interviews, etc. Will try to watch as much as I can next year.
Now....moving on to the game: this new 'leading with the helmet' rule is going to add yet another judgment call. Just what we needed. I absolutely, totally understand the reasoning behind it, but two of the five fouls called tonight were borderline with absolutely no intent. The others were shoulder leads to the midsection or under the arms that were just 'plays' last year, no intent or spearing at all, but drew flags tonight.
I'd hate to be a defensive player now. I can also see a bunch of games being decided because of this rule, and that just doesn't seem right. If they are going to do this, I'd prefer just a five yard non-automatic 1st down penalty to result instead.
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Watched a video about Romanowski last night that was a real trip. I'd never actually heard the guy talk and he's pretty much the exact opposite of what I'd expected. His voice and demeanor are completely incongruous with such a raging asshole. He seems like he should be serving food at a Chilis or something, and yet it's a given that on his first day he'd smash a plate across a customer's face leaving them with cuts, burns, and maybe a broken jaw.
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Romanowski was, is and will always be a Grade A jackoff.
Buddy of mine went to high school with him. Calls him a dick, but I don't get the sense it's because he's a raging out of control lunatic, but because he's so singularly focused. Sometimes people that don't operate at anything less than 100% rub people around them the wrong way, and that's Romo.
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Now....moving on to the game: this new 'leading with the helmet' rule is going to add yet another judgment call. Just what we needed. I absolutely, totally understand the reasoning behind it, but two of the five fouls called tonight were borderline with absolutely no intent. The others were shoulder leads to the midsection or under the arms that were just 'plays' last year, no intent or spearing at all, but drew flags tonight.
I'd hate to be a defensive player now. I can also see a bunch of games being decided because of this rule, and that just doesn't seem right. If they are going to do this, I'd prefer just a five yard non-automatic 1st down penalty to result instead.
Agreed. Offense should be off the charts this year given these new rules.
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Gonna be fun to see if this rookie brings it in the real games...
https://www.milehighreport.com/2018/8/5/17651882/denver-broncos-courtland-sutton-hype
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From everything I hear the Browns are expected to be much improved this year. There’s no way Tomlin will have his team up for Week 1 against them and I fully expect the Steelers to start the year 0-1. Until then, just hoping the pre-season injuries are minor.
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The sky is already falling, eh? :lol ;)
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The sky is already falling, eh? :lol ;)
No doubt! I mean, the Browns will "improve" on their 0-16 season. What is the world coming to?
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Browns vs Giants this Thursday could be cool to see the top two draft pics. I read Barkley is really shining in camp and they are already limiting his reps to keep him fresh for the season. Saw a clip of him taking a screen pass to the house in practice, loved it because it was motion with OJ. Those two on the field has a lot of potential and am really looking forward to seeing the offense.
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Browns vs Giants this Thursday could be cool to see the top two draft pics. I read Barkley is really shining in camp and they are already limiting his reps to keep him fresh for the season. Saw a clip of him taking a screen pass to the house in practice, loved it because it was motion with OJ. Those two on the field has a lot of potential and am really looking forward to seeing the offense.
Their offense could be quite prolific with Barkley, OBJ, Engram and Shepard. If Eli has time to operate...they might be going back to the playoffs.
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From everything I hear the Browns are expected to be much improved this year. There’s no way Tomlin will have his team up for Week 1 against them and I fully expect the Steelers to start the year 0-1. Until then, just hoping the pre-season injuries are minor.
Yeah and who knows if Bell even shows up, or if he does, if he'll be remotely ready.
The sky is already falling, eh? :lol ;)
Yes Kev, as Steeler fans, it's a requirement to live in a constant state of skepticism.
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And the hits keep coming.... Cardinals just lost their starting center for the season...
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Browns vs Giants this Thursday could be cool to see the top two draft pics. I read Barkley is really shining in camp and they are already limiting his reps to keep him fresh for the season. Saw a clip of him taking a screen pass to the house in practice, loved it because it was motion with OJ. Those two on the field has a lot of potential and am really looking forward to seeing the offense.
Their offense could be quite prolific with Barkley, OBJ, Engram and Shepard. If Eli has time to operate...they might be going back to the playoffs.
That is the key, and the defense. I'm not sure what to expect from the defense this year.
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The sky is already falling, eh? :lol ;)
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:lol Ha-ha, yup! The window is closing fast.
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Browns vs Giants this Thursday could be cool to see the top two draft pics. I read Barkley is really shining in camp and they are already limiting his reps to keep him fresh for the season. Saw a clip of him taking a screen pass to the house in practice, loved it because it was motion with OJ. Those two on the field has a lot of potential and am really looking forward to seeing the offense.
Their offense could be quite prolific with Barkley, OBJ, Engram and Shepard. If Eli has time to operate...they might be going back to the playoffs.
I think they will be the team to seriously challenge the Eagles in the NFC East. The defense is still very talented - I don't hold last year's bad games against them since that can happen when the season is going to shit under a bad coach who was on his way out - and the return of OBJ and presence of Barkley should make the offense really good again.
The sky is already falling, eh? :lol ;)
Yes Kev, as Steeler fans, it's a requirement to live in a constant state of skepticism.
Haha, I guess.
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Lots of preseason tonight. Good opportunity to see flag after flag after flag on people trying to figure out how the hell the game is played now. If I'm ESPN I'm bringing in William Shatner to explain how lowering your head is a foul if the player is leading with his left leg, unless it's Tuesday after dark, in which case it's a dead ball (except on Wednesdays).
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The NFL should jump to the chase and get rid of the helmet.
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I say this every year but I have no interest in preseason football or any other sport when the games don't count.
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I say this every year but I have no interest in preseason football or any other sport when the games don't count.
Pretty much, but I am interested in checking out my current favorite football player suit up for the gmen for the first time. I doubt I watch much more than the first series. But also a new coaching staff could make it worth watching to see what this team may look like, but even that in the first game is not really meaningful. I'd love to see the preseason shortened.
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Lots of preseason tonight. Good opportunity to see flag after flag after flag on people trying to figure out how the hell the game is played now. If I'm ESPN I'm bringing in William Shatner to explain how lowering your head is a foul if the player is leading with his left leg, unless it's Tuesday after dark, in which case it's a dead ball (except on Wednesdays).
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see just how much of a crap show this rule will be.
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I say this every year but I have no interest in preseason football or any other sport when the games don't count.
For the most part, I couldn't care about the preseason or offseason in any sport. In fact, I tend not to pay close attention to the first month or so of the MLB season until hockey is done and the first month of the NHL season until baseball is done. Because the NFL only plays once or twice a week, I can more easily overlap the beginning of the NFL season with the end of the MLB season and the first half of the NHL season. I just don't have the time for exhibition games.
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I watch a few quarters of game 3 of the pre season to gauge the starters but that's it.
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Lots of preseason tonight. Good opportunity to see flag after flag after flag on people trying to figure out how the hell the game is played now. If I'm ESPN I'm bringing in William Shatner to explain how lowering your head is a foul if the player is leading with his left leg, unless it's Tuesday after dark, in which case it's a dead ball (except on Wednesdays).
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see just how much of a crap show this rule will be.
Nothing like a good game of Fizzbin - or is it Phizbn?
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I say this every year but I have no interest in preseason football or any other sport when the games don't count.
I pay attention to injuries and to see how rookies are looking, for the purposes of fantasy football. :biggrin:
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Yeah. Not a fan of fantasy football.
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Lots of preseason tonight. Good opportunity to see flag after flag after flag on people trying to figure out how the hell the game is played now. If I'm ESPN I'm bringing in William Shatner to explain how lowering your head is a foul if the player is leading with his left leg, unless it's Tuesday after dark, in which case it's a dead ball (except on Wednesdays).
They should get George Carlin.
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Guice out for the year...
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Catching up with Hard Knocks...feeling for Hue. That was gutting.
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Catching up with Hard Knocks...feeling for Hue. That was gutting.
What was?
I didn't see it. I have read, however, that it is already clear that Hue Jackson is in over his head and many believe all of these improvements they made to the roster may not pay dividends right away until they get a new head coach. Hard to have faith in a guy who is 1-31 so far.
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Hard Knocks sucks. I tried watching again and they're bleeping out every other word. Unwatchable. It's HBO FFS. What are they trying to do? Keep the NFL respectable? :rollin Kinda too late for that isn't it? If they're filming a HK episode, they should tell all the potty mouths to clean it up so the audience can watch a program that flows and is coherent.
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Hard Knocks sucks. I tried watching again and they're bleeping out every other word. Unwatchable. It's HBO FFS. What are they trying to do? Keep the NFL respectable? :rollin Kinda too late for that isn't it? If they're filming a HK episode, they should tell all the potty mouths to clean it up so the audience can watch a program that flows and is coherent.
I haven't watched in years. Its kind of hit or miss based on the team, but if you watched one season, you kind of watched them all as it's really the same story with different players every year. At this point, I'd only watch a season if it was on my team. I did put it on last night and I was able to fall asleep within 5 minutes.
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Jalen Ramsey laying the smack talk. At least he is smart enough to know how good his QB (Blake Bortles) is. :hat
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He's the Trump of the NFL. :lol
They should get in the Octagon for a verbal fight. Lol
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Jalen Ramsey laying the smack talk. At least he is smart enough to know how good his QB (Blake Bortles) is. :hat
:lol
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I never watch pre-season. But low and behold, I get home last night, turn on the TV, and there are the JETS, barely up against the Redskins. I watched the Jets RB get stuffed on third and goal, and I say to my wife -- I don't care how much time is left, and the Jets are up, they are going to lose this game.
Well...
Boom.
Being a Jets fan...sucks. You know what is going to happen, and it always does. SHould have turned the TV back off. :lol
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Well, you're not alone Sam. Being a Cowboys fan isn't much better. I was watching their 1st pre-season game at the Niners. Boys led the entire game up until 18 secs remaining. Lost by 3. Same stupid shit. Different year.
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You know you're a jaded fan when your team losing a preseason game bothers you. :P
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Trucks packed up for the tailgate! Off we go! Word on the street is all of our starters will be sitting this game like the first game. I have mixed feelings about that. While I surely understand the logic, especially after the rash of injuries yesterday and through out the preseason, there's a balance. If the starters come out sluggish in game one.... guess the gamble doesn't pay off. Oh well.. In McVay we trust! :metal :metal :metal
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Vikings suffered a rash of injuries tonight. I can see it now: they fall back this year and everyone will blame Kirk Cousins. They were really lucky last year in staying mostly healthy in their run to the NFCCG, and it is already looking like they won't be so lucky this year.
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You right Kev. It seems that the teams that make the deepest post season runs are usually ones that are relatively healthy.
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You know you're a jaded fan when your team losing a preseason game bothers you. :P
Well, it's a tough position to be in. The Pats demolished the Eagles the other night; my daughter and her friend (both Pats fans) were all hopped up, and I remember saying that "guys... it's preseason!" but believing - deeply - that Belichick would have played Brady into the third quarter if it meant not losing that game. That didn't need to happen, but still.
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Well, you're not alone Sam. Being a Cowboys fan isn't much better. I was watching their 1st pre-season game at the Niners. Boys led the entire game up until 18 secs remaining. Lost by 3. Same stupid shit. Different year.
If no one got injured, it was a win.
I don't care if the Broncos never win a preseason game, as long as no one gets injured.
I saw some people commenting on Facebook about how the Broncos had their 3rd string QB throwing a pass late in the game when they were up by less than a touchdown. Apparently that led to the Broncos losing the game. It just baffles me that folks give a rip about who wins or loses. If you need to see your 3rd string QB throw a pass, then who cares what the situation is? That's what preseason is for.
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You're right. I get that it's preseason and injury free is a definite plus. But, when your 2nd and 3rd teams look like crap, you know what that means in the regular season when there are injuries. Right now, Dallas looks to be as deep as a puddle. You can't rely on the 1st team the entire year.
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Saw this shirt in a store out West.
(https://i.imgur.com/IYAF4hE.jpg) (https://imgur.com/IYAF4hE)
Not sure if I should :metal or :rollin
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Saw this shirt in a store out West.
(https://i.imgur.com/IYAF4hE.jpg) (https://imgur.com/IYAF4hE)
Not sure if I should :metal or :rollin
I've never seen that logo at the bottom. Are they suggesting that he's a dick?...
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:lol
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Are we doing Fantasy Football this year? I know last season we barely got 8 members to play...
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Are we doing Fantasy Football this year? I know last season we barely got 8 members to play...
I threw a feeler out a few months ago and got zero replies, so I'm not running the one that I ran the past few years.... but if someone wants to throw one together, they can feel free.
https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=52441.msg2439661#msg2439661
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Yea you can blame me. I fell out of love of fantasy football. Last year I stopped playing across the board. I think it takes away from my enjoyment of watching my team but more importantly it costs me money that I never caqme close to winning back
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Yea you can blame me. I fell out of love of fantasy football. Last year I stopped playing across the board. I think it takes away from my enjoyment of watching my team but more importantly it costs me money that I never caqme close to winning back
LOL, I wouldn't blame any one person. But I do understand where you're coming from.
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Yea you can blame me. I fell out of love of fantasy football. Last year I stopped playing across the board. I think it takes away from my enjoyment of watching my team but more importantly it costs me money that I never caqme close to winning back
I was playing upwards of 6 leagues a year, plus Pick'Ems. When the Rams decided to come back to LA I stopped all FF and bought season tickets!
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I'm down to do another league this year, but it looks like it's too late at this point... I was looking at my team last year from our league and somehow I lucked into having Bell, Gurley, Hopkins and Ingram on the same team :rollin If only it was a money league...
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As always, I'd be down for a money league where everyone participates in the draft, but a free league where some do auto-draft doesn't interest me in the least.
Tomorrow night is our local live auction. $240 a man this year! :metal
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Not sure how to feel about the OBJ deal. On one hand, he's maybe the most electric player to watch and he really is a great player, on the other hand, his head can't be trusted to be in the right spot and he hasn't done anything positive in a full year. I don't really understand how his behavior and coming off injury make him deserving of 65 million guaranteed, but also, not having a contract, for a player who you know will get the money somewere else, continue to play out during the season would have been an extra cloud over the head of the Giants. I guess for now, I can just be happy he is expected to be good to go for this Season and the future here.
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You know you're a jaded fan when your team losing a preseason game bothers you. :P
Well, it isn't that simple. I may be jaded but that's only because Dallas hasn't done jack shit in 22 seasons. Everyone knows that preseason doesn't mean anything significant as far as wins and losses. It's not so much the loss, but the way it was lost. Teams with good 2nd and 3rd string players in the preseason is a pretty good look at how the regular season might go. It doesn't look good because Dallas is a very poorly coached team and has been for a long time.
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I was surprised that Dallas didn't even play their starters on offense last week given that they have a lot of new pieces on offense and need time playing together to gel. Given what a wild card their entire receiving corps (WRs and TEs) is, I honestly have no idea what to expect out of their passing offense this season.
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Looks like Mike Tomlin thinks it's necessary to carry 4 Quarterbacks on a 53-man roster. :facepalm: Can't wait until we run out of d-linemen or linebackers during a game because of this decision.
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Looks like Mike Tomlin thinks it's necessary to carry 4 Quarterbacks on a 53-man roster. :facepalm: Can't wait until we run out of d-linemen or linebackers during a game because of this decision.
I anticipate a trade involving Josh, or Landry at some point.
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Looks like Mike Tomlin thinks it's necessary to carry 4 Quarterbacks on a 53-man roster. :facepalm: Can't wait until we run out of d-linemen or linebackers during a game because of this decision.
Surely not all 4 are active on game day. He's not that dumb, is he?
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Looks like Mike Tomlin thinks it's necessary to carry 4 Quarterbacks on a 53-man roster. :facepalm: Can't wait until we run out of d-linemen or linebackers during a game because of this decision.
Surely not all 4 are active on game day. He's not that dumb, is he?
Hah, he might be.
I'd assume Josh Dobbs would go - there's no need to keep him. Jones is a good number 2 because he knows the playbook, and they think Mason is the future.
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I was surprised that Dallas didn't even play their starters on offense last week given that they have a lot of new pieces on offense and need time playing together to gel. Given what a wild card their entire receiving corps (WRs and TEs) is, I honestly have no idea what to expect out of their passing offense this season.
They're trying to keep the starters injury free because their 2nd and 3rd teams suck. I wonder how long they think that'll last. It's gonna be another long ass year. :facepalm:
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What's that sound?? It's the sound of the other NFC West OC's scratching their heads pondering the question "Who do we double team? Donald...or Suh?"
Pay the man!!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24534350/los-angeles-rams-agree-record-deal-aaron-donald
A team that made great strides last year sure didn't rest on their luarals this off season...
*Resign best defensive player
*Resign best offensive player
*Bring in a top 10 wr
*Bring in 2 starting corners
*Bring in a top 5 DT
*Draft lb and ol depth
No matter how the season pans out, IMO, the Rams FO has pulled off one of the best Off Seasons of the FA era.
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Donald is a beast and earned that contract, but will the Rams have the fire to win big this year? A lot of teams play their best when they have something to prove, and the Rams two best players just got paid big money. Time will tell...
I know they won't be my Super Bowl pick from the NFC this year.
Neither will the Eagles. I think the Eagles are waaaaay too happy with themselves after winning it last year and are going to come back to earth a bit.
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It all looks great on paper. Like you say, will the fire and drive be there? And the chemistry? Time will tell. But the Front Office deserves a standing ovation for what they've done. And unlike the talking heads who are saying we went all in for "This year", that is incorrect. We are now set with our core player for a solid 3-5 yr run.
I'm with you Kev in that the NFC is just too tough to pick. You have 5-7 real contenders. Who wants it bad enough? Who stays healthy? Again, time will tell!! Should be an awesome season.
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Mack to the Bears. Their TREMENDOUS off-season continues.
Edit...seems that Chicago is giving up two 1st round picks for Mack. Not as big of a slam dunk as I initially thought.
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I'm so glad Mack is out of Denver's division :lol I'm also going out to Denver to see the Broncos play the Raiders in week 2, so our chances of winning that game just went up a lot too.
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I'm glad he didn't go to the Whiners :biggrin:
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The Steelers release Landry Jones. I'm surprised they didn't try to make a trade.
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My brother and I have talked for a month how Jerrick McKinnon would be the fantasy bust of the year based on his ADP (which was late 2nd round a few weeks ago). Who knew we would be right this quickly?
49ers still have Alfred Morris and Matt Breida, the latter of whom is underrated, so I think they'll be fine at RB.
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The Steelers release Landry Jones. I'm surprised they didn't try to make a trade.
You know what’s awesome about that? His spot is being taken by Mason Rudolph, who will be Ben’s successor and who they got in the 3rd round after the Raiders traded them the pick for Martavis Bryant, a born loser facing an indefinite suspension :lol
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2018 predictions
Offensive ROTY : Saquon Barkley
Defensive ROTY : Bradley Chubb
Comeback POTY : JJ Watt (So many great choices this year)
Coach OTY : Sean McVay
Offensive POY : DeShaun Watson
Defensive POY : CalaIs Campbell
MVP : Todd Gurley
AFC EAST
1. New England Patriots
2. New York Jets
3. Miami Dolphins
4. Buffalo Bills
AFC NORTH
1. Pittsburgh Steelers
2. Baltimore Ravens
3. Cincinnati Bengals
4. Cleveland Browns
AFC SOUTH
1. Houston Texans
2. Jacksonville Jaguars (WC)
3. Tennessee Titans
4. Indianapolis Colts
AFC WEST
1. Kansas City Chiefs
2. Los Angeles Chargers (WC)
3. Denver Broncos
4. Oakland Raiders
NFC EAST
1. Philadelphia Eagles
2. New York Giants (WC)
3. Dallas Cowboys
4. Washington Redskins
NFC NORTH
1. Minnesota Vikings
2. Chicago Bears
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Detroit Lions
NFC South
1. New Orleans Saints
2. Atlanta Falcons (WC)
3. Carolina Panthers
4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
NFC West
1. Los Angeles Rams
2. Seattle Seahawks
3. San Francisco 49ers
4. Arizona Cardinals
Wild Card Round
6. Los Angeles Chargers vs. 3. Kansas City Chiefs
5. Jacksonville Jaguars vs. 4. Pittsburgh Steelers
6. New York Giants vs. 3. Philadelphia Eagles
5. Atlanta Falcons vs. 4. New Orleans Saints
Divisional Round
4. Pittsburgh Steelers vs. 1. New England Patriots
3. Kansas City Chiefs vs. 2. Houston Texans
4. New Orleans Saints vs. 1. L.A. Rams
3. Philadelphia Eagles vs. 2. Minnesota Vikings
Conference Championship Games
2. Minnesota Vikings vs. 1. L.A. Rams
2. Houston Texans vs. 1. New England Patriots
Super Bowl LIII
New England Patriots vs. L.A. Rams
The team that the Rams have assembled could be one of the all time great teams. The NFC has a lot of contenders, but I see the Rams emerging to win it all. In the AFC I think that a healthy Houston will be a force to be reckoned with, but I have to give New England the benefit of the doubt.
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I can't pick the Rams to make it that far yet. Yes, they have a lot of talent, but their two best players, among others, just got paid a ton of money, and I have to wonder how hungry they will be. Plus, considering how flat they looked in that playoff game last January, I need to see their young coach win a playoff game first before I am a true believer. The history of sports is loaded with coaches who made big splashes in their first year and then came back down to earth.
That said, I agree with your exact order for the NFC East (I agree that the Giants will be a playoff team), NFC West, AFC East and AFC North.
I think GB will win the NFC North if Rodgers doesn't get hurt again. The Vikings won't be as lucky with injuries this year as they were last year.
The AFC South is tough, but I have a hard time picking Carolina 3rd. And do I really trust a Sean Payton team to have a good defense two years in a row??
I think the Chargers win the AFC West, unless, of course, bad luck with kickers strikes them again.
Not sure about a SB Pick yet.
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Yes the Rams do have a lot of talent, but consider how much talent they added in the offseason. Cooks, Peters, Suh and Talib. Talk about hungry. Even if Donald and Gurley aren't as hungry as they may have been without the long term deals, there's sure as heck all world players. I think the new acquisitions + another year for the returning players = Super Bowl win. But anything can happen, and I'm wrong more often than I'm right. This just looks like one of the most talented teams I've ever seen assembled. Interesting to see how this plays out before they need to pay Goff (hopefully they, and the Eagles learn from other franchises' mistakes).
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AFC EAST
1. New England Patriots
2. New York Jets
3. Miami Dolphins
4. Buffalo Bills
AFC NORTH
1. Pittsburgh Steelers
2. Baltimore Ravens
3. Cincinnati Bengals
4. Cleveland Browns
:dunno: Seems legit.
AFC SOUTH
1. Houston Texans
2. Jacksonville Jaguars (WC)
3. Tennessee Titans
4. Indianapolis Colts
Wow, really? Houston on top? I'm not so sure about ANY of those picks. I could see this division finishing drastically differently than what you predicted, but I cannot even guess what the final outcome will be.
AFC WEST
1. Kansas City Chiefs
2. Los Angeles Chargers (WC)
3. Denver Broncos
4. Oakland Raiders
Not seeing it. I think the Chargers win. I am tempted to put the Raiders at #2, but am not sold on Gruden. I am feeling more like:
1. Chargers
2. Raiders
3. Broncos
4. Chiefs
NFC EAST
1. Philadelphia Eagles
2. New York Giants (WC)
3. Dallas Cowboys
4. Washington Redskins
Yeah, probably legit.
NFC NORTH
1. Minnesota Vikings
2. Chicago Bears
3. Green Bay Packers
4. Detroit Lions
???
1. Packers
2. Vikings
3. Bears
4. Lions
NFC South
1. New Orleans Saints
2. Atlanta Falcons (WC)
3. Carolina Panthers
4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
No idea.
NFC West
1. Los Angeles Rams
2. Seattle Seahawks
3. San Francisco 49ers
4. Arizona Cardinals
Switch #2 and #3.
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Something like 14 out of 15 years now that at least one team who finished worst in their division finishes 1st the following season. To me, Houston is that team...provided that Watson and Watt have a healthy season. I expect Jacksonville to come back to earth a bit.
Chicago is the other team I expect to rise from the ashes. And while I don't expect overtake Minnesota for the division, they may have a very good campaign regardless.
Oakland I think is set up for failure. Gruden just seems set in his old ways. That defense is going to get gashed.
I don't see Kansas City finishing in last place. I have them barely edging out the Chargers for the division... and while I think the Chargers will be good, they've already had some bad injuries and seem to be a snakebitten franchise.
Seattle had a crazy offseason... but I think Wilson wills them to a 2nd place finish. San Fran will be better.. but they still have issues to address before actually being a competitor. I wish they would make a trade for Coleman or Bell. That would be exciting.
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I just don't see who KC still has that can make them a legit contender to take that division.
For the Raiders, I'm just not sure. I definitely see what you are saying about Gruden, but I think he may surprise people, so I'm putting them higher. I will not be surprised if I am wrong about that.
I fully want and expect Seattle to finish lower than you. And I hope Wilson gets exposed as a fraud and his career ends soon.
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(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/750x500q90/922/3aMvcJ.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/f/pm3aMvcJj)
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Love it. One of the biggest losers ever to don a uniform.
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That's not Cam Newton. ???
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Saw this in an article about NFL betting by the numbers.
In fact, over the last 15 regular seasons, NFL favorites have gone 1,859-1,860 against the spread, with 111 pushes, according to odds database BetLabsSports.com.
That's freaking remarkable. It doesn't mean that betting actually leveled out with their spread, but it certainly provides a massive edge to the house.
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That's not Cam Newton. ???
*Insert Cam doesn't give it all*
Saw this in an article about NFL betting by the numbers.
In fact, over the last 15 regular seasons, NFL favorites have gone 1,859-1,860 against the spread, with 111 pushes, according to odds database BetLabsSports.com.
That's freaking remarkable. It doesn't mean that betting actually leveled out with their spread, but it certainly provides a massive edge to the house.
The house always has it's tentacles everywhere. They know what we do not.
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Football tonight baby!
As for the Steelers, I hope Conner does great and they move away from Bell entirely.
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The house always has it's tentacles everywhere. They know what we do not.
That we're idiots and suckers? :)
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The house always has it's tentacles everywhere. They know what we do not.
That we're idiots and suckers? :)
They think that. They take our money don't they? LOL
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The house always has it's tentacles everywhere. They know what we do not.
That we're idiots and suckers? :)
They think that. They take our money don't they? LOL
A good friend is 1/2 Native American, and so is a very high up executive in one of the Indian casinos around here. He is incredibly customer-focused, and appreciative of what he has been a part of, but after a few beers, and the stories come out... it's pretty funny to hear him talk.
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The odds are staggering. It's a lucrative business. We know that. It's still fun for us. You just have to set cutoffs. Know you are going in and will lose is a good mindset. Expecting to win is foolish.
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The odds are staggering. It's a lucrative business. We know that. It's still fun for us. You just have to set cutoffs. Know you are going in and will lose is a good mindset. Expecting to win is foolish.
Well, that's just it. They are almost as disciplined as the WWE in their insistence that they provide an entertainment experience, NOT a financial planning tool or investment vehicle.
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The odds are staggering. It's a lucrative business. We know that. It's still fun for us. You just have to set cutoffs. Know you are going in and will lose is a good mindset. Expecting to win is foolish.
Well, that's just it. They are almost as disciplined as the WWE in their insistence that they provide an entertainment experience, NOT a financial planning tool or investment vehicle.
Yep. And yet they're still preying on the weak and stupid. I find casinos to be some of the best people watching in the world, and yet terribly depressing at the same time. Mindless drones sitting at video poker machines for hours on end every night. They're not getting entertainment out of it.
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The odds are staggering. It's a lucrative business. We know that. It's still fun for us. You just have to set cutoffs. Know you are going in and will lose is a good mindset. Expecting to win is foolish.
Well, that's just it. They are almost as disciplined as the WWE in their insistence that they provide an entertainment experience, NOT a financial planning tool or investment vehicle.
Yep. And yet they're still preying on the weak and stupid. I find casinos to be some of the best people watching in the world, and yet terribly depressing at the same time. Mindless drones sitting at video poker machines for hours on end every night. They're not getting entertainment out of it.
That's very true; it's honestly sad to see the elderly woman dressed in sweatpants, with the oxygen, sometimes a cigarette and a drink pumping quarters into the electronic slot machines (something you see often enough that I'm not being facetious).
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The odds are staggering. It's a lucrative business. We know that. It's still fun for us. You just have to set cutoffs. Know you are going in and will lose is a good mindset. Expecting to win is foolish.
Well, that's just it. They are almost as disciplined as the WWE in their insistence that they provide an entertainment experience, NOT a financial planning tool or investment vehicle.
Yep. And yet they're still preying on the weak and stupid. I find casinos to be some of the best people watching in the world, and yet terribly depressing at the same time. Mindless drones sitting at video poker machines for hours on end every night. They're not getting entertainment out of it.
Completely agree. I once was watching an old lady hording 3 machine just throwing in money like watering flowers on a hot summer day, you want to play on of those and she'd hiss at you. This isn't far from the truth. It was startling.
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Go Falcons!
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The odds are staggering. It's a lucrative business. We know that. It's still fun for us. You just have to set cutoffs. Know you are going in and will lose is a good mindset. Expecting to win is foolish.
Well, that's just it. They are almost as disciplined as the WWE in their insistence that they provide an entertainment experience, NOT a financial planning tool or investment vehicle.
Yep. And yet they're still preying on the weak and stupid. I find casinos to be some of the best people watching in the world, and yet terribly depressing at the same time. Mindless drones sitting at video poker machines for hours on end every night. They're not getting entertainment out of it.
Completely agree. I once was watching an old lady hording 3 machine just throwing in money like watering flowers on a hot summer day, you want to play on of those and she'd hiss at you. This isn't far from the truth. It was startling.
Its sad when you see vices turn a person into an animal
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It's just part of this crazy world we like.
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Fucking Eagles should unfurl their banner on their own damn time.
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It is there time.
A less than inspiring first half of football. A side affect of teams no longer taking the preseason seriously.
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Thank goodness they fixed the catch rule. :lol
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In 2018, we still don't know what a catch is. Thanks NFL.
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Julio should have caught it clean and then there would have been no doubt.
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Yeah, there really wasn't any doubt on the replay. I think they were just afraid to overturn it, which isn't any better.
What's interesting to me, though, is how noncommittal Michaels and Collinsworth are about catches. When has Collinsworth ever been shy about calling something a catch or non-catch? Tonight he's avoided saying anything definitive. It's real clear that they don't have a fucking clue what counts anymore.
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Crazy tense finish again!
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For a team that spent a number one on a complementary receiver they sure looked pretty 1 dimensional. Where the hell was Ridley? Was he out there and just ignored the whole night?
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He started and played the whole game. I don't think Philly did anything to take him out of the game. Think that Ryan was just locked in on Jones.
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Caught the end of the game in an Atlanta hotel lobby and funny how I was the only one rooting for them. They got a second chance but couldn't do it.
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He started and played the whole game. I don't think Philly did anything to take him out of the game. Think that Ryan was just locked in on Jones.
He's ALWAYS focused on Julio. Atlanta need another quality WR to throw off opposing defenses. They have great RB's and a stud WR. That's it. Why don't they run the ball more? Poor coaching.
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He started and played the whole game. I don't think Philly did anything to take him out of the game. Think that Ryan was just locked in on Jones.
He's ALWAYS focused on Julio. Atlanta need another quality WR to throw off opposing defenses. They have great RB's and a stud WR. That's it. Why don't they run the ball more? Poor coaching.
Presumably they now have that second stud WR. They also didn't have Freeman for the 4th quarter when they really needed him. I put last night solely on Ryan. He was fixating and it was painfully obvious.
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Picks for this week:
Falcons @ Eagles (yes, I know they already lost, but I had picked the Falcons, so...)
Steelers @ Browns
Bengals @ Colts
Titans @ Dolphins
49ers @ Vikings
Texans @ Patriots
Buccaneers @ Saints
Jaguars @ Giants
Bills @ Ravens
Chiefs @ Chargers
Seahawks @ Broncos
Redskins @ Cardinals
Cowboys @ Panthers
Bears @ Packers
Jets @ Lions
Rams @ Raiders
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Just want to comment that the NFL put a terrible product on display last night. First half was especially atrocious. Runs for no gain, dropped passes, passes way short of the sticks, tons of penalties. Even Dolphins-Titans will probably be more watchable.
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So this is wonderful, when the Steelers play in Cleveland Sunday they are expecting 4 inches of rain and 25-40mph winds. Just great.
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Just want to comment that the NFL put a terrible product on display last night. First half was especially atrocious. Runs for no gain, dropped passes, passes way short of the sticks, tons of penalties. Even Dolphins-Titans will probably be more watchable.
This is a byproduct of teams not caring about preseason and not playing their starters much at all. Will be some ugly games these first few weeks as a result.
I put last night solely on Ryan. He was fixating and it was painfully obvious.
Matt Ryan is just being who he has been since entering the NFL except for his one MVP season, which was clearly an outlier. He is a good QB, but not elite.
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So who is better, Ryan or Romo?
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Romo was never an MVP, but I think he was better than Ryan is. For most his career, Matt Ryan has been a slightly better Andy Dalton.
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So this is wonderful, when the Steelers play in Cleveland Sunday they are expecting 4 inches of rain and 25-40mph winds. Just great.
Doesn’t really bode well for the Steelers.
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Looks like we won't see Le'Veon Bell till week 10 so he can play the minimum amount of games to make this season count and then become a free agent next season. I can't say I blame him.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/leveon-bell-reportedly-turned-down-a-monstrous-70-million-deal-from-the-steelers/
The offer from the Steelers was worth a total of $70 million over five years (or $14 million per season). Although the offer would have given Bell the largest multi-year contract of any running back in the NFL, he turned it down, and one reason he likely did that, is because it was nowhere near his asking price, which was reportedly in the neighborhood of $17 million per season.
Am I on my $35k/year salary supposed to sympathize or give a shit about this? Go flip burgers for Derek Sherinian.
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A RB turning down 70mil is pretty risky. But if it lacked the guaranteed money, I get that aspect.
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I get both sides.
The Steelers are smart to not overpay a RB.
On other hand, Bell is smart to hold out and play as little this year before becoming a free agent next year, instead of reporting and having the Steelers run him into the ground again thereby hurting his value.
To me, the real issue is how long franchises can hold a player "hostage." The franchise tag needs to go.
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Especially when the NFL owners hold all the cards unlike other sports
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It'll be interesting to see if the Steelers really need him come week 11. If I've got a serviceable run game at that point I'm leaving him on the bench. See what happens to his value if he misses an entire season.
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DeAngelo Williams killed it a few seasons ago when Bell was out at the start of the season. I have heard enough good things about both James Connor and Jaylen Samuels that I think they'll be fine at RB (though neither will be as great as Bell, obviously).
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He's one of the few running backs that makes a big impact. I agree El Barto with seeing the impact or lack their of.
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Bad call. Watson was in the group in the endzone. That should have been a safety.
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The odds are staggering. It's a lucrative business. We know that. It's still fun for us. You just have to set cutoffs. Know you are going in and will lose is a good mindset. Expecting to win is foolish.
Well, that's just it. They are almost as disciplined as the WWE in their insistence that they provide an entertainment experience, NOT a financial planning tool or investment vehicle.
Yep. And yet they're still preying on the weak and stupid. I find casinos to be some of the best people watching in the world, and yet terribly depressing at the same time. Mindless drones sitting at video poker machines for hours on end every night. They're not getting entertainment out of it.
Completely agree. I once was watching an old lady hording 3 machine just throwing in money like watering flowers on a hot summer day, you want to play on of those and she'd hiss at you. This isn't far from the truth. It was startling.
Its sad when you see vices turn a person into an animal
Whats sad are the ones who fall asleep while playing.
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Romo's right. Patriots D is a very different animal than we've seen the last couple of seasons. They're getting good, consistent pressure with four man rushes.
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I want to see this consistently durring the whole season. Very good start though.
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That wasn't a catch by Gronk. Dumb move by Houston not throwing a flag.
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That wasn't a catch by Gronk. Dumb move by Houston not throwing a flag.
It was close enough that the booth definitely should have flagged it. I think the league is afraid to go to replay this year. And props to TB for rushing the thing along.
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Oh no doubt but at that point. With 3 time outs before half use it and bitch to the league later.
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Wild game in Cleveland. That was fun to watch.
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On the one hand, Cleveland getting a tie is like a win for them. On the other hand, the Steelers did everything they could to give them the game and the Browns still couldn't win. :lol :lol
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Damn, they should have listened to Chris Carter. The Delanie Walker injury was gruesome.
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Bears offense looking legit.
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For the love of ...
Again injured.
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Shocker...
And yes, I'm in the "Rogers Is Overrated" Club.
And that's not being a New England todie.
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Part of being truly great is being good enough to avoid hits that get your hurt. At this point, Rodgers has to be labeled injury-prone.
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That GM should be ashamed of that offensive line. They got Rodgers destroyed and they've only looked worse with Kizer out there, who's performing admirably given the circumstances.
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The fact that Rogers is on the sideline should be a good sign.
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That GM should be ashamed of that offensive line. They got Rodgers destroyed and they've only looked worse with Kizer out there, who's performing admirably given the circumstances.
This is why I was disappointed that Rodgers signed that contract with them. The Packers organization has shown the last few years that they are incapable of putting a team around him that can win a Super Bowl, yet he re-upped with them instead of playing the field and going to a franchise with a clue. He's gonna end up as having insane stats, but also the QB who most will wonder "why did he only win 1 Super Bowl?"
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And yes, I'm in the "Rogers Is Overrated" Club.
lol...
That was an amazing performance by Rodgers, just amazing.
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Part of being truly great is being good enough to avoid hits that get your hurt. At this point, Rodgers has to be labeled injury-prone.
Can I delete this? :lol :lol
That was a comeback and performance for the ages.
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And yes, I'm in the "Rogers Is Overrated" Club.
Hmm not sure who this "Rogers" person you are referring to, but my boy Aaron RODGERS just showed why he's one of the greatest. He's a baaaaad man!
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And yes, I'm in the "Rogers Is Overrated" Club
:facepalm:
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Let me speak for Tim by saying....
Oops.
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Rodgers can do things no other QB can do. Amazing. But remember, all these amazing comebacks that we give QBs credit for, their D still has to hold the other team down. Still a team effort.
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Romo was never an MVP, but I think he was better than Ryan is. For most his career, Matt Ryan has been a slightly better Andy Dalton.
Difference is, I think there's still a chance that Ryan wins a Super Bowl. I called it about halfway through Romo's career that he was never winning a Super Bowl, no matter how many elite players they put around him. Granted, you could fairly say that he didn't have a great coach (he didn't) but still. Romo was a better ATHLETE than he was QUARTERBACK. Ryan is a better QUARTERBACK than he is an ATHLETE. QUARTERBACKS win Super Bowls, ATHLETES do not. My opinion only, I'm sure someone will argue with that.
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Romo was never an MVP, but I think he was better than Ryan is. For most his career, Matt Ryan has been a slightly better Andy Dalton.
Difference is, I think there's still a chance that Ryan wins a Super Bowl. I called it about halfway through Romo's career that he was never winning a Super Bowl, no matter how many elite players they put around him. Granted, you could fairly say that he didn't have a great coach (he didn't) but still. Romo was a better ATHLETE than he was QUARTERBACK. Ryan is a better QUARTERBACK than he is an ATHLETE. QUARTERBACKS win Super Bowls, ATHLETES do not. My opinion only, I'm sure someone will argue with that.
Does that mean I can say that Andy Dalton is better than Dan Marino because there is still a chance Dalton wins a Super Bowl? :P
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Romo was never an MVP, but I think he was better than Ryan is. For most his career, Matt Ryan has been a slightly better Andy Dalton.
Difference is, I think there's still a chance that Ryan wins a Super Bowl. I called it about halfway through Romo's career that he was never winning a Super Bowl, no matter how many elite players they put around him. Granted, you could fairly say that he didn't have a great coach (he didn't) but still. Romo was a better ATHLETE than he was QUARTERBACK. Ryan is a better QUARTERBACK than he is an ATHLETE. QUARTERBACKS win Super Bowls, ATHLETES do not. My opinion only, I'm sure someone will argue with that.
Does that mean I can say that Andy Dalton is better than Dan Marino because there is still a chance Dalton wins a Super Bowl? :P
Sure. You'd be wrong, of course, because "still playing" doesn't mean "chance to win a Super Bowl" (the Bengals aren't getting anywhere near a Super Bowl without Stub Hub being involved) but you can say anything you want.
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Seems a lot of radio callers were happy with the Giants putting up a good game against the Jags. I disagree. What I saw was a whole lot of what I saw last year, a terrible oline that just ruins the entire offense. Barkley won't be able to save the offense running behind Eric Flowers who may be the worst professional sports player who continues to play that I can think of. I will say, if the Jags still do have a great defense, then maybe there is some hope for the Giants. But dropping that punt felt like a kick to the balls that we got every game last year and is already making me feel like this season isn't going to end well. The good news though, just one week and the Giants started 0-2 before they won the Super Bowl. It's early and the new coaching staff can make an impact after the first game.
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I know the Niners lost yesterday, and there were some issues, but save for a fumble on the 1 yard line after a great drive and that game could have ended very differently.
Even with the loss I still feel pretty good in saying:
lol Steelers
and...
LOL Bears
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I know the Niners lost yesterday, and there were some issues, but save for a fumble on the 1 yard line after a great drive and that game could have ended very differently.
They are a new team, and there WILL be some growing pains. But, yeah, they were absolutely in that game against a very good team, so that is a good sign. They lost because they made mistakes, and they were the kind of mistakes that are probably teachable, so I am optimistic.
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Nothing to be ashamed of. That was a great effort against a championship contending team. SF will improve for sure.
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I will also say that monumental collapse aside.... the Bears look like a team that had a tremendous offseason and is getting it together. I don't know if that equates to a playoff appearance in the absolutely loaded NFC... but they will not be a bad team this season.
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Picks for this week:
Falcons @ Eagles (yes, I know they already lost, but I had picked the Falcons, so...)
Steelers @ Browns
Bengals @ Colts
Titans @ Dolphins
49ers @ Vikings
Texans @ Patriots
Buccaneers @ Saints
Jaguars @ Giants
Bills @ Ravens
Chiefs @ Chargers
Seahawks @ Broncos
Redskins @ Cardinals
Cowboys @ Panthers
Bears @ Packers
Jets @ Lions
Rams @ Raiders
Not exactly a strong start for you.
Looks like we won't see Le'Veon Bell till week 10 so he can play the minimum amount of games to make this season count and then become a free agent next season. I can't say I blame him.
I picked James Conner for my fantasy team....and then proceeded to leave him on the bench for week 1....
Happy to see my Broncos start the season with a win (although I didn't get to see any of the game because, for some inexplicable reason, Fox thought Los Angeles would rather see Dallas v. Carolina).
Saw some really stupid roughing the passer penalties yesterday. At this point, we may as well just give the quarterback a red jersey and flags.
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Not exactly a strong start for you.
:lol Nope. Some aren't a surprise, since I went in picking underdogs. Some I was just flat-out wrong. Some are head-scratchers. In other words, typical week in the NFL.
The Chiefs are still the biggest head-scratchers for me. I don't see what others are seeing in them. But they went in favored and came away with the win, so I am apparently just not getting it when it comes to that team.
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Currently enjoying my last few hours of optimism on the JETS season. Right now, I feel excited for the Sam Darnold era to begin, and think we're underrated. This is my favorite time of the football season.
In a few hours, reality will hit, and I'll be asking for basketball, and for the Yankees to pull off a miracle (not gonna happen).
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Currently enjoying my last few hours of optimism on the JETS season. Right now, I feel excited for the Sam Darnold era to begin, and think we're underrated. This is my favorite time of the football season.
In a few hours, reality will hit, and I'll be asking for basketball, and for the Yankees to pull off a miracle (not gonna happen).
I'm with you, and I'm apprehensive for my game tonight too. For me this is a new (at least the last 15 years) sensation. My Rams are now the hunted and expected to reach great heights. So if they don't show well tonight it will be very depressing. Where in past years it was the norm and expected. :lol
I think Darnold is gonna be the solution for the Jets. Might be some rookie growing pains (see Goff 2016) but I think you guys got your QB.
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Currently enjoying my last few hours of optimism on the JETS season. Right now, I feel excited for the Sam Darnold era to begin, and think we're underrated. This is my favorite time of the football season.
In a few hours, reality will hit, and I'll be asking for basketball, and for the Yankees to pull off a miracle (not gonna happen).
Yeah, that all sounds about right. I'll be on the couch in my Chrebet jersey with a beer in hand.
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Nice game by the Vikings yesterday. Would have liked to see the offense do a little better, especially on some of the longer throws, but they're still getting to know each other. The defense did well overall, but I'd like to see them contain on first down a little better. Overall a nice win against a good 49ers team who didn't give up despite several turnovers.
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Looks like another snooze fest season in the making. The NFL is boring as fuck.
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Currently enjoying my last few hours of optimism on the JETS season. Right now, I feel excited for the Sam Darnold era to begin, and think we're underrated. This is my favorite time of the football season.
In a few hours, reality will hit, and I'll be asking for basketball, and for the Yankees to pull off a miracle (not gonna happen).
Yeah, that all sounds about right. I'll be on the couch in my Chrebet jersey with a beer in hand.
Thank God for beer :lol :lol
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Looks like another snooze fest season in the making. The NFL is boring as fuck.
Da Fuq?
Welp...it can only get easier for Darnold now right??
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Currently enjoying my last few hours of optimism on the JETS season. Right now, I feel excited for the Sam Darnold era to begin, and think we're underrated. This is my favorite time of the football season.
In a few hours, reality will hit, and I'll be asking for basketball, and for the Yankees to pull off a miracle (not gonna happen).
Yeah, that all sounds about right. I'll be on the couch in my Chrebet jersey with a beer in hand.
Thank God for beer :lol :lol
I hope the cooler is next to you. :lol
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Aside from that first play, the Jets have looked really good.
I didn't know what to expect from the Broncos, so getting that win against Seattle was nice. The infusion of new blood on offense should make a big difference.
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Who are these announcers?!? One sounds like Howie Long, but Howie isn't that inept, and the woman sounds like she's on her third school and 25th cigarette. She makes Janis Joplin sound like a girly-girl.
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The volume up and downs on her voice is making me seasick.
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The volume up and downs on her voice is making me seasick.
Turn on some classic Genesis. That will cheer you right up. :hat
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Haha. Old Peter Gabriel could only dream of sounding so masculine.
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Haha. Old Peter Gabriel could only dream of sounding so masculine.
AH HA!! :lol
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Haha. Old Peter Gabriel could only dream of sounding so masculine.
:lol
I really can't stand this woman's voice. It's a real shame, too. I've got no problem with female announcers, but she tries way too hard to sound like one of the guys. It's distracting.
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She's a Brooklyn accent away from Suzyn Waldman. God she drives me insane.
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It's brutal. I mean, it's dead silence for 20 seconds, and then holyshittheworldisending.
It's as if Sam Kinison's sister is calling the game.
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WTF??
Matt Stafford has completed more passes to the Jets than Sam Darnold.
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Jets looked great.
In the last 2 games that matter, Matt Patricia’s D has allowed 89 points.
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Jets looked great.
In the last 2 games that matter, Matt Patricia’s D has allowed 89 points.
His D also won 2 Superbowls.
3 year arch for coaches. At least in my eyes.
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Jets looked great.
In the last 2 games that matter, Matt Patricia’s D has allowed 89 points.
His D also won 2 Superbowls.
3 year arch for coaches. At least in my eyes.
Agreed.... Is this now Bowles 3rd year in NY?
I completely missed the game so seeing that score surprised the hell out of me. Happy for Jets fans. Darnold is legit. Still has a way to go.....but sky's the limit.
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My first thoughts on the matter are that this MNF crew really sucks hard. Witten's the least obnoxious of them, but he doesn't say much.
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I went 7-9 this week, which is not bad considering a lot of them were basically wild guesses.
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My first thoughts on the matter are that this MNF crew really sucks hard. Witten's the least obnoxious of them, but he doesn't say much.
I have no idea who the play by play guy is, but he talked about Gruden like he is the Second Coming. It was nauseating.
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My first thoughts on the matter are that this MNF crew really sucks hard. Witten's the least obnoxious of them, but he doesn't say much.
I have no idea who the play by play guy is, but he talked about Gruden like he is the Second Coming. It was nauseating.
And hasn't the "Chuckie" thing been done to death by now?
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Week 2 ESPN Power Rankings
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24637128/nfl-power-rankings-faces-new-places-watch-all-32-teams-2018-week-2
1. Philadelphia
2. New England
3. Minnesota
4. L.A. Rams
5. Jacksonville
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Looks like the crew on the Jets game was Beth Mowins, Brian Griese and Laura Rutledge. On the Rams > faders game, it was Joe Tessitore, Jason Witten, "Booger" McFarland and Lisa Salters.
I didn't get to listen to any of the Jets game and only saw a little toward the end as a result of picking my daughter up from marching band practice and going out for dinner. I only heard a little of the Rams games, but McFarland was annoying as heck, and Witten seemed to encourage his annoyingness. I've heard Tessitore before, and he's usually fine.
Anyway, an Oakland loss on top of a Broncos win makes for a great weekend, and I went 10-5-1 in my picks and won my fantasy game. Bring on week 2!
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Not to be TAC, but from that list I've only ever heard of Brian Greise and Jason Witten.
Is there a reason anyone over the age of 8 goes by the name "Booger?" Does he pal around with Wormser and Poindexter?
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Not to be TAC,
and the problem with that? :lol
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Not to be TAC, but from that list I've only ever heard of Brian Greise and Jason Witten.
Is there a reason anyone over the age of 8 goes by the name "Booger?" Does he pal around with Wormser and Poindexter?
McFarland is a former DT (on the Bucs and Colts Super Bowl winning teams). I vaguely recall the name but can't explain the continued use of that nickname into adulthood. Rutledge is 5-star sideline eye candy; Salters maybe 3.5-stars. I only vaguely know Tessitore by name and had never heard of Mowins before yesterday. MNF is a far cry from the glory days of Gifford, Cossel and Meredith.
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Seems like a far cry from the not-so-glory days of Dan Fouts and Dennis Miller.
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I was thinking that last night, how MNF used to be special. Now, Sunday Night is THE prime time nfl game and Monday night is an afterthought.
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Seems like a far cry from the not-so-glory days of Dan Fouts and Dennis Miller.
I still remember Miller's first game. It was the preseason HOF game and he says something like.."I've been in Canton for a couple of days, but haven't found any Cantonese restaurants yet" or something like that.
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I was thinking that last night, how MNF used to be special. Now, Sunday Night is THE prime time nfl game and Monday night is an afterthought.
Over saturation.
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I will be basking in the honeymoon period with Darnold this week. Back to reality (I hope not) in week 2.
J E T S JETS JETS JETS
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All due respect, but I thought that was established as a given for the past 5+ years.
I am almost old enough to remember when MNF was a big thing. But for me it was more because of my dad being a fan, and that being a night we always had ribs for dinner and were allowed to eat in the family room in front of the TV. Also for us it was tape-delayed one hour. Not a big deal back then, we treated it as if it was live as we didn't have constant Twitter/Facegram updates.
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I was thinking that last night, how MNF used to be special. Now, Sunday Night is THE prime time nfl game and Monday night is an afterthought.
Over saturation.
That’s part of it, but it’s clear that the NFL gives the better games to Sunday night most of the time.
Plus, ESPN sucks so bad now that many didn’t know any of the announcers from last night’s games.
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Seems like a far cry from the not-so-glory days of Dan Fouts and Dennis Miller.
This.
And Beth Mowens called a game last year. I believe I made a joke about having a gay jockey call an NFL game.
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Word is that veterans on the Lions already hate Patricia. :lol :lol
On another note, I think it is boring to see the same teams win every year, so hopefully the young QBs they all got help make the Jets, Bears, 49ers and even Browns relevant again.
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..hopefully the young QBs they all got help make the Jets, Bears, 49ers and even Browns relevant again.
You got a long memory my friend if you can recall when the Browns were last relevant. :)
Sometimes I like dynasties and the same teams win because I like watching excellence. Other times I do not and wish for more parity. Just depends on the sport and my mood I guess,
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Word is that veterans on the Lions already hate Patricia. :lol :lol
On another note, I think it is boring to see the same teams win every year, so hopefully the young QBs they all got help make the Jets, Bears, 49ers and even Browns relevant again.
The laughing should be at the veterans on the team crying. That team has underperformed forever. Their culture sucks.
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Yeah, not to stick up for the NE guy, but they sound like a team of whiners.
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Word is that veterans on the Lions already hate Patricia. :lol :lol
On another note, I think it is boring to see the same teams win every year, so hopefully the young QBs they all got help make the Jets, Bears, 49ers and even Browns relevant again.
The laughing should be at the veterans on the team crying. That team has underperformed forever. Their culture sucks.
36-28 over the last four seasons with Caldwell. Let's see if Patricia can average 9 wins a season over four years with this franchise.
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So, let's live at 9-7...
Is that what you're saying. Maybe the team needs to go 5-11 before it actually takes the next step.
They'll be lucky to go 5-11. They blow. And Patricia is way over his head.
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So, let's live at 9-7...
Is that what you're saying. Maybe the team needs to go 5-11 before it actually takes the next step.
I get it. Sometimes you have to take a step back before taking two steps forward. We'll see if the Lions pull that off.
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They'll be lucky to go 5-11. They blow. And Patricia is way over his head.
It's just one game, but that was an embarrassing start. And let's face it, the Belichick coaching tree has not had a lot of success as far as coordinators becoming head coaches go. Mangini did pretty good for a while, and he was the best one.
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I could care less if it's an ex Pats coach or somebody else. That average record with the talent they have underperformed.
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Which is why the Pats are so effective; they are not a typical organization. Belichick doesn't hire a bunch of head coaches as his staff. He hires the best OFFESIVE COORDINATOR, or DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR, or whatever. HE is the leader, not Patricia or McDaniels. Good second-in-commands are not always the best first-in-commands (it's not a coincidence that none of Jack Welch's seconds were even considered for his job when he left, and those that left to go elsewhere didn't excel).
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..hopefully the young QBs they all got help make the Jets, Bears, 49ers and even Browns relevant again.
You got a long memory my friend if you can recall when the Browns were last relevant. :)
I remember it quite well. Probably because (A) I'm a lifelong Ohioan, (B) My favorite team is in the same division and (C) I'm getting fucking old... :biggrin:
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On another note, I think it is boring to see the same teams win every year, so hopefully the young QBs they all got help make the Jets, Bears, 49ers and even Browns relevant again.
That's exactly what I'm talking about, among other things such as shitty rules, bad officiating and horrible coaching. Is this all a multi billion business can produce?
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OK guys...all kidding aside, THIS fellow Fogey wins Week 1!!!!!
https://loudwire.com/guy-air-drum-rush-nfl-game-rush-love-it/
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Posted him in the Rush thread too! :)
Holy crap, did the Ravens line up Bowser to blitz Dalton? Did Koopa Troopas drop back in to coverage??
(https://a2.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2018%2F0913%2Fr430591_1296x518_5-2.jpg&w=628&h=251&scale=crop&cquality=80&location=center)
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Last night was another good example of a head coach who totally botched the end of the game.
Down 11 with under a minute, your best chance of tying the game is to kick the FG as soon as you get in FG range, kick an onside kick, recover it, and then get a touchdown and 2-point conversion. The Ravens got to around the 30 with 30 seconds left and the clock stopped. FG, right? Nope, let's have Flacco continue to throw checkdowns in the middle of the field when you have no timeouts and the clock runs out. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Nice work, John Harbaugh.
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And he's supposed to be one of the better Head Coaches!
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He didn't do anything wrong. Scoring 2 TDs is easier than kicking a field goal, scoring a TD and scoring a 2 point conversion and winning in OT. The problem is on the OC/Flacco.... for not throwing the ball into the endzone. Might get a catch.... might get PI.
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HOW WAS THAT PITTSBURGH TD CONFIRMED AFTER REVIEW???????
That was so blatantly across the line of scrimmage!!! If I was Andy Reid, I'd be having an aneurysm right now!!
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HOW WAS THAT PITTSBURGH TD CONFIRMED AFTER REVIEW???????
That was so blatantly across the line of scrimmage!!! If I was Andy Reid, I'd be having an aneurysm right now!!
No, actually your entire body has to be across and it depends on where the ball is when released.
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I love how last week everyone was lol Steelers tying the Browns. They scored 21 on the road in horrible weather. Well today Cle has held Brees to 10 points into the 4th qtr in HIS house (dome). Browns D is legit.
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What a wildly entertaining slate of games. And yes....Cousins makes the Vikings legit SB contenders. Those throws to tie the game up...Godly
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OK guys...all kidding aside, THIS fellow Fogey wins Week 1!!!!!
https://loudwire.com/guy-air-drum-rush-nfl-game-rush-love-it/
That's awesome!!
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ANOTHER TIE
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Man, kickers have really sucked in OT this year.
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That dude on the Jags just made an awesome catch!
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Ugh.
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That dude on the Jags just made an awesome catch!
Yes he did. Followed it up with a decent TD as well.
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Blake Freakin Bortles.
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How about Vontae Davis RETIRING during the Bills game. Wow!
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21-3. Well, I think most people realize that the Jags are the better team, irregardless of QB comparisons.
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How about Vontae Davis RETIRING during the Bills game. Wow!
Wow. Dude changed into civvies and went home for the second half. :lol
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Blake Bortles showing why he is the future GOAT.
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Blake Bortles showing why he is the future GOAT.
Future Trent Dilfer.
Too many mental mistakes today. All that bluster about the Pats having a better D this year is nonsense. The D still is bottom of the league.
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That was ugly. Scheduled loss though.
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Blake Bortles showing why he is the future GOAT.
Future Trent Dilfer.
You have to admit that he played fantastic today.
More teams in general need to play like the Jags did today: play aggressive and to win, not scared and trying not to lose.
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Show of hands....everyone who had the Florida teams combining for a 6-0 start. I sure as hell didn't.
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Blake Bortles showing why he is the future GOAT.
Future Trent Dilfer.
You have to admit that he played fantastic today.
More teams in general need to play like the Jags did today: play aggressive and to win, not scared and trying not to lose.
Absolutely. I don't expect it to continue but if I'm wrong this team will go on some kind of run.
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Even though many blew them off as a 1-year wonder who would fall back to the pack, the Jags still kicking ass is not surprising at all.
Miami and TB are both surprising, for sure.
The Bucs have to keep playing Fitzpatrick. If they yank him for Winston next week, they are out of their minds.
At least we can always count on the Browns to be consistent. :lol :lol :lol
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Any given Sunday in Jacksonville. I honestly thought Oakland was going to bounce back, and I'm embarrassed to admit I hopped on the Jets' bandwagon with a little too much gusto.
I'm glad I don't play for Green Bay or Minnesota. There can't be a player on that field that is happy with that outcome. There is no moral victory in that outcome.
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Fuck John Gruden.
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I'm glad I don't play for Green Bay or Minnesota. There can't be a player on that field that is happy with that outcome. There is no moral victory in that outcome.
That roughing call on Matthews that took away a pick that would have allowed GB to all but run the clock out was so awful. He hit him as he was throwing the ball and, despite what the NFL said, did NOT pick Cousins up and drive him into the ground. What a bunch of horse shit.
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HOW WAS THAT PITTSBURGH TD CONFIRMED AFTER REVIEW???????
That was so blatantly across the line of scrimmage!!! If I was Andy Reid, I'd be having an aneurysm right now!!
No, actually your entire body has to be across and it depends on where the ball is when released.
I disagree with this. The way I remember the rule (and the announcer said the EXACT same thing) is that "it doesn't matter where your legs are....it's WHERE THE BALL IS!" And the ball was across the line by a long shot.
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I'm glad I don't play for Green Bay or Minnesota. There can't be a player on that field that is happy with that outcome. There is no moral victory in that outcome.
That roughing call on Matthews that took away a pick that would have allowed GB to all but run the clock out was so awful. He hit him as he was throwing the ball and, despite what the NFL said, did NOT pick Cousins up and drive him into the ground. What a bunch of horse shit.
Yup, truly horrendous call. Very ironic considering how the rule came about.
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Has the 'Fire Tomlin' talk began in Pittsburgh yet? Defense is his forte and in the last three Steelers game that matter, they have allowed 45 points (38 on D technically), blew a 14-point lead in the 4th quarter to a Cleveland Browns team quarterbacked by Tyrod freaking Taylor, and allowed 42 points.
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HOW WAS THAT PITTSBURGH TD CONFIRMED AFTER REVIEW???????
That was so blatantly across the line of scrimmage!!! If I was Andy Reid, I'd be having an aneurysm right now!!
No, actually your entire body has to be across and it depends on where the ball is when released.
I disagree with this. The way I remember the rule (and the announcer said the EXACT same thing) is that "it doesn't matter where your legs are....it's WHERE THE BALL IS!" And the ball was across the line by a long shot.
I've heard that rule explained at least once in the last five years and it explicitly stated that the entire body has to be across the line to be an illegal forward pass. I'm not sure if that's where the rule currently sits but it definitely has existed that way at some point recently.
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OMG
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A Black_Floyd sighting. What's up pal? You just made visiting the nfl thread worth my while this morning.
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Show of hands....everyone who had the Florida teams combining for a 6-0 start. I sure as hell didn't.
Great point ! I had them at a combined 1-5.
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#VontaeCorner : Nobody said life was going to be easy but that doesn't mean you should give up.
— Vontae Davis (@vontaedavis) July 20, 2014
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Has the 'Fire Tomlin' talk began in Pittsburgh yet? Defense is his forte and in the last three Steelers game that matter, they have allowed 45 points (38 on D technically), blew a 14-point lead in the 4th quarter to a Cleveland Browns team quarterbacked by Tyrod freaking Taylor, and allowed 42 points.
I can confirm - "fire Tomlin" talk is alive and well :lol
What a disappointing start for the Steelers :facepalm:
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Eagles QB Carson Wentz medically cleared, will start Week 3 vs. Colts
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24711923/carson-wentz-philadelphia-eagles-start-week-3
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I love how last week everyone was lol Steelers tying the Browns. They scored 21 on the road in horrible weather. Well today Cle has held Brees to 10 points into the 4th qtr in HIS house (dome). Browns D is legit.
Seriously. I picked the Saints in a survivor. I figured I was pretty safe after the numbers they put up in week 1, but I thought for a minute there that I was going out in week 2.HOW WAS THAT PITTSBURGH TD CONFIRMED AFTER REVIEW???????
That was so blatantly across the line of scrimmage!!! If I was Andy Reid, I'd be having an aneurysm right now!!
No, actually your entire body has to be across and it depends on where the ball is when released.
I disagree with this. The way I remember the rule (and the announcer said the EXACT same thing) is that "it doesn't matter where your legs are....it's WHERE THE BALL IS!" And the ball was across the line by a long shot.
I've heard that rule explained at least once in the last five years and it explicitly stated that the entire body has to be across the line to be an illegal forward pass. I'm not sure if that's where the rule currently sits but it definitely has existed that way at some point recently.
Here's the NFL rule book: https://operations.nfl.com/media/3277/2018-nfl-rulebook_final-version.pdf
The legal/illegal forward pass rule is on page 30: "The offensive team may make one forward pass from behind the line during each down. If the ball, whether in player possession or loose, crosses the line of scrimmage, a forward pass is not permissible, regardless of whether the ball returns behind the line of scrimmage before the pass is thrown.
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Note: It is a forward pass from beyond the line of scrimmage if the passer’s entire body and the ball are beyond the line of scrimmage when the ball is released, whether the passer is airborne or touching the ground."
Therefore, if, at the time of release, any part of the QB's body is behind the line of scrimmage, it is not an illegal forward pass.
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Kev, thanks for bringing that up. Tomlin with an average O (no Ben or Brown) would go about 2-14 every year. He is truly terrible, and yesterday he gave a perfect example of the gutless, ultra-conservative coaching that I rant about every year and I’m not letting it go . . . isn’t everyone sick of it?
After showing all day they could not stop KC, he punted on 4th and short in the 4th quarter from around midfield. Ben had been slinging it like crazy, you can’t trust them to get 2 yards? It doesn’t matter if KC gets a short field, they weren’t stopping them anyway. Loser strategy. At least the Jags learned their lesson and kept their boot on NE’s throat, staying aggressive even with a big lead. You can’t punt and say “trust the D” because THE RULES DON’T FAVOR THE D.
But could Tomlin learn? He used the same losing strategy against NE last year and lost. The idea of Tomlin learning something is :lol
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But could Tomlin learn? He used the same losing strategy against NE last year and lost. The idea of Tomlin learning something is :lol
And for that reason alone, no, not sick of it. :)
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Kev, thanks for bringing that up. Tomlin with an average O (no Ben or Brown) would go about 2-14 every year. He is truly terrible, and yesterday he gave a perfect example of the gutless, ultra-conservative coaching that I rant about every year and I’m not letting it go . . . isn’t everyone sick of it?
After showing all day they could not stop KC, he punted on 4th and short in the 4th quarter from around midfield. Ben had been slinging it like crazy, you can’t trust them to get 2 yards? It doesn’t matter if KC gets a short field, they weren’t stopping them anyway. Loser strategy. At least the Jags learned their lesson and kept their boot on NE’s throat, staying aggressive even with a big lead. You can’t punt and say “trust the D” because THE RULES DON’T FAVOR THE D.
But could Tomlin learn? He used the same losing strategy against NE last year and lost. The idea of Tomlin learning something is :lol
I wish I could point this out as ridiculous - but it's pretty much spot on :lol
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Like Colin Cowherd always says, the Steelers under Tomlin are not buttoned up.
And now Antonio Brown said, "Trade me, let's find out," today on Twitter when someone tweeted at him and said he wouldn't be as productive without Ben and the Steelers.
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DOC, kudos for the title. I love it.
Kev, I saw that tweet. Talk about balls.
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Yeah, I believe my thoughts on AB have been well documented here - I can't stand the guy. His tweet doesn't surprise me at all.
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DOC, kudos for the title. I love it.
Kev, I saw that tweet. Talk about balls.
No offense, King, but I don't think it takes any balls to be a dick or a bad teammate.
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Agreed.
Brown was throwing a fit yesterday and I would bet money he is secretly annoyed at the emergence of Smith-Schuster, which makes it less likely for him to get force fed the ball and pad his stats, and let's face it, while all guys like getting their numbers, Brown is obsessed with his stats. He strikes me as the kind of guy who would rather put up 10-170-2 in a loss than 5-50-0 in a win.
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DOC, kudos for the title. I love it.
Kev, I saw that tweet. Talk about balls.
No offense, King, but I don't think it takes any balls to be a dick or a bad teammate.
It takes balls to put that out to ownership.
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DOC, kudos for the title. I love it.
Kev, I saw that tweet. Talk about balls.
No offense, King, but I don't think it takes any balls to be a dick or a bad teammate.
It takes balls to put that out to ownership.
Fair point.
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Agreed.
Brown was throwing a fit yesterday and I would bet money he is secretly annoyed at the emergence of Smith-Schuster, which makes it less likely for him to get force fed the ball and pad his stats, and let's face it, while all guys like getting their numbers, Brown is obsessed with his stats. He strikes me as the kind of guy who would rather put up 10-170-2 in a loss than 5-50-0 in a win.
Well sure, anytime a player's reaction to his team scoring a touchdown is to go over and yell at the OC, he probably doesn't have his motivations in the right place.
DOC, kudos for the title. I love it.
Kev, I saw that tweet. Talk about balls.
No offense, King, but I don't think it takes any balls to be a dick or a bad teammate.
It takes balls to put that out to ownership.
Fair point.
Eh, I get what you guys are saying, but two things - (1) knowing AB he probably didn't even think that far ahead and (2) the Steelers aren't going to trade him anyway.
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Josh Gordon to the Pats? I guess BB is still doing what he does.
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Josh Gordon to the Pats? I guess BB is still doing what he does.
Well the price is certainly right. I don't have high hopes, but I'm certainly curious to see if the guy's got anything going for him.
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If he doesn't play 10 games this year there is some compensation back to the Pats.
Also. Hide all your weed and alcohol in N.E.
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Josh Gordon to the Pats? I guess BB is still doing what he does.
Well the price is certainly right. I don't have high hopes, but I'm certainly curious to see if the guy's got anything going for him.
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So does anybody actually understand this "scoop and pull" bullshit? The NFL is going to use Clay Matthew's penalty as a teaching aid to show how not to tackle. For 100 years that has been used to show people exactly how to tackle. Aside from what constitutes a catch, which has never made sense, most of their rules are understandable, even if silly or obnoxious. Now they've made it so that I don't even understand what constitutes a tackle.
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It's time to go two-hand-touch or flag football with the QB. At least then it would be clear what's legal or not.
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It's time to go two-hand-touch or flag football with the QB. At least then it would be clear what's legal or not.
Depends; did the rusher grab the flag, or the belt?
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So does anybody actually understand this "scoop and pull" bullshit? The NFL is going to use Clay Matthew's penalty as a teaching aid to show how not to tackle. For 100 years that has been used to show people exactly how to tackle. Aside from what constitutes a catch, which has never made sense, most of their rules are understandable, even if silly or obnoxious. Now they've made it so that I don't even understand what constitutes a tackle.
Every new rule convoluted the game. We are at the point that players can't figure it out anymore.
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Dallas/NYG was unwatchable last night, and from what I have seen tonight, Seattle/Chicago has been awful as well. And these are their prime time games. I swear, if it wasn't for fantasy football, I would be thisclose to jumping ship. The product has gone way downhill.
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Yeah...Seahawks finally doing shit last minute...ugh.
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Dallas/NYG was unwatchable last night, and from what I have seen tonight, Seattle/Chicago has been awful as well. And these are their prime time games. I swear, if it wasn't for fantasy football, I would be thisclose to jumping ship. The product has gone way downhill.
And that is why I pulled the ripcord a couple years ago. The product was shit, and the interpretation of some rules (especially what's a catch) frustrated me so much that I only cared about the Fantasy (ie, virtual) product. At that point, I realized I wasn't a fan of the actual game, and decided to invest my time elsewhere.
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It's funny you guys are saying this. I was just having this discussion with my wife last night.
I enjoy watching the Patriots, mostly because Belichick is so interesting, and an odd neutral game here and there, but I really don't care for football all that much.
I think as I get older, the glorification of some of these guys rubs me the wrong way. The announcers SUCK basically across the board. They tongue bath the players like crazy.
After each tackle, does the entire defense have to do a dance like they won the damn Superbowl? Just go back and lineup. I f'n hate that.
That said, I was generally interested is seeing the Bears QB, but I easily watched more of the Cards/Braves on MLB Network.
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The sum total of the product might be shit, but there are still excellent games all the time. GB/Minn and KC/Pitt were both fun games to watch. I think part of the problem is when people can only watch whatever the network game is. If the Thur/SNF/MNF games suck then it reflects pretty poorly on the NFL. Whereas there are always a couple of really good games on Sunday afternoon that make it all worthwhile if you can watch them instead of what your regional coverage is.
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I tend to not watch TNF. Unless the Pats are on. I'll check in but I won't watch. same with SNF. I've got to get my ass to bed early.
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When I used to watch NFL regularly, I really liked the SNF model. Good matchups, solid production value, Al Michaels, and I enjoyed focusing in on one game at the end of the day as I get caught up on everything else that happened in the league. I could never get excited about some random matchup on a Thursday night when the full schedule of games for that week was a whole 3 days away.
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I usually have the NFL on all day on Sunday (roughly 10 a.m. until 8 or 9 p.m. when the SNF game ends). That's not to say that I'm sitting on my couch for 11 hours; the games will be on the TV even though I'm puttering about doing things.
I rarely watch on Thursday (maybe if the Broncos are playing, but baseball or hockey is usually a higher priority). Monday games are hit or miss. As a kid, MNF was "must see." It wasn't that the games were always good or more consistently good than they are now. It's that ABC made the games into an entertainment event. Additionally, in the days before highlights were readily available, Howard Cosell's "Halftime Highlights" segment was about the only way to catch highlights from games that weren't shown in your market. Even when the Cosell/Meredith era ended in the mid-80s, the broadcast was still good because Al Michaels was so good and he had strong commentators working with him, but it really hasn't been very good since ESPN took over in the mid-2000s.
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Well all true, but when MNF was "Must See" how many channels were there to choose from? It was either MNF, the local news, or Barney Miller. I'd actually take Barney Miller reruns over MNF now.
An another topic.... I read Maroon V is slated to the SB53 Halftime show. I've heard of them. But couldn't name one of their songs. This in and of itself isn't surprising as I couldn't name a Justin Timberlake song, or a Beyonce song, or a Coldplay song, or a Katy Perry song. But I recognize the status in the mainstream consciousness those artists have. So, is Maroon V really at that level? Did some Wiki'ing, and see "Maroon 5 has sold more than 75 million records, making them one of the world's best-selling music artists." Well I'll be damned. I see they also sang that annoying Moves Like Jagger song that you apparently have to have in your repertoire if you are going to be a casino-circuit cover band. So I tangentially know one of their songs I guess.
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I think we all realize that Fitzpatrick is going to fall apart at some point, but this really makes me root for him. This is a guy that's really enjoying his place in life right now.
(https://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/ryan-fitzpatrick-conor-mcgregor.jpg)
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Their first album is great. They went to pop after that. You never heard of this song?
https://youtu.be/rV8NHsmVMPE
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I think we all realize that Fitzpatrick is going to fall apart at some point, but this really makes me root for him. This is a guy that's really enjoying his place in life right now.
(https://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/ryan-fitzpatrick-conor-mcgregor.jpg)
Gunslinger. I've always liked him and he wins playing on different teams.
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You never heard of this song?
https://youtu.be/rV8NHsmVMPE
Nope. Now pardon me while TAC and I go and have another beer.
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You never heard of this song?
https://youtu.be/rV8NHsmVMPE
Nope. Now pardon me while TAC and I go and have another beer.
Yeah, guess I'll be joining y'all. Never heard it before in my life. It's not bad, though. Perfectly inoffensive superb owl music.
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I'm shocked. That song crossed radio formats and VH1 played it 24/7.
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I'm shocked. That song crossed radio formats and VH1 played it 24/7.
Well I certainly might have seen it on VH1.... if this was in 1987 and VH1 was still worth watching.
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Crossover? Radio? VH1?
Is this some lost civilization?
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Superb owl...LOL!!! Many years ago, I sent someone an e-mail about a SB party, and I spelled "Superbowl" as one word. My e-mail spell checker offered me "Superb owl" as the first suggested alternative.
The guys on the sports talk show I listened to at lunch today were discussing Maroon 5 as the halftime act and basically were saying that Chris was wondering about: that M5 isn't a big enough band for the halftime show. They speculated that other artists would be added and mentioned that M5 did some song with some female singer I've never heard of and that she might be added.
I can't remember the last time I actually watched a halftime show, but I looked back at a list of performers. Prior to the early 90s, it was a bunch of D-list acts and marching bands. For example:
SB 23: An Elvis impersonator and "south Florida-area dancers and performers"
SB 21: George Burns, Mickey Rooney and the Grambling and USC marching bands
SB 10, 14, 16 and 20: Up with People
SB 17: The Los Angeles Super Drill Team
My, how things have changed.
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Crossover? Radio? VH1?
Is this some lost civilization?
You probably had rabbit ears so yooouuuurrr out!! :lolI'm shocked. That song crossed radio formats and VH1 played it 24/7.
Well I certainly might have seen it on VH1.... if this was in 1987 and VH1 was still worth watching.
You are off 2 deacades. Lol
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VH1 wasn't around in 1967.
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I don't know. I wasn't born yet. Lol
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So life doesn't begin at conception?
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Well all true, but when MNF was "Must See" how many channels were there to choose from? It was either MNF, the local news, or Barney Miller. I'd actually take Barney Miller reruns over MNF now.
An another topic.... I read Maroon V is slated to the SB53 Halftime show. I've heard of them. But couldn't name one of their songs. This in and of itself isn't surprising as I couldn't name a Justin Timberlake song, or a Beyonce song, or a Coldplay song, or a Katy Perry song. But I recognize the status in the mainstream consciousness those artists have. So, is Maroon V really at that level? Did some Wiki'ing, and see "Maroon 5 has sold more than 75 million records, making them one of the world's best-selling music artists." Well I'll be damned. I see they also sang that annoying Moves Like Jagger song that you apparently have to have in your repertoire if you are going to be a casino-circuit cover band. So I tangentially know one of their songs I guess.
They are that big. "Maroon V" is in some respects the "Adam Levine Show" and he's made himself into a mini-mogul. His band has won multiple Grammy's, he's been a coach on the Voice, he's acted, he's got clothing/perfume brands... I recognize that some of those things aren't "music", but the point is, he is in the mainstream consciousness. None of this is to suggest he's unworthy, because he his (check out his rendition of "Purple Rain" from the Howard Stern birthday show, and check out his spot with Sammy Hagar on Rock and Roll Road Show), and he seems a pretty likeable guy for someone that seems to have had all the breaks.
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Maroon 5 is actually a solid choice IMO. I remember laying in bed like 8 years ago and flipping through TV channels and there was a Maroon 5 concert on. I only knew a song or two, but just started watching because it was a band playing some funky music. I ended up watching almost the whole concert. I really liked it and I was surprised as I kind of just thought of them as a pop band, but they weren't. They were a solid musical band. I never followed up and kind of forgot about them until recently my gf bringing them up, but Id say I'd look more forward to them than most of the previous SB performers. (although I am kind of a Justin Timberlake fan now after seeing his show in Amsterdam last month, his show was one of the best of the year for me shockingly).
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I can definitely see them doing the halftime show. They're a big, popular band.
Moves LIke Jagger w/ Christina Aguilera: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEPTlhBmwRg
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Excited for tonight's game..... good to see one of these snakebitten franchises get a win (there can't be a tie for a 3rd week in a row, can there?!?!?)
Would rather see Darnold vs. Mayfield, but it is what it is.
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Agreed re: Maroon 5 Cram. Years ago my family and the other family we were traveling with got to Vegas for a vacation and my dad's casino host offered discount tickets for me, my sister, and the two kids in the other family to go see Maroon 5 that night in our hotel. This was probably somewhere around 2003-2005 and I was very pleasantly surprised by the show they put on.
@DoC fully expecting my Jets to lose tonight. Going to be very tough for Darnold on the road on a short week with Gregg Williams and that defense throwing the kitchen sink at him.
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Surprisingly, Adam Levine shreads as a guitarist. I couldn't believe it.
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Surprisingly, Adam Levine shreads as a guitarist. I couldn't believe it.
I know, right? That Stern broadcast really changed my impression of him.
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Tonight's game ends in a tie. That might actually boost ratings. :lol :rollin :lol
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When I wiki'ed Adam Levine I was surprised to see he wasn't the guy who was touring with Brian May and Roger Taylor. Turns out that was another Adam.
Anyway, is it wrong to root against the Browns? I said elsewhere I love watching greatness so I do not generally mind seeing dynasties. But the schadenfreude in me also enjoys watching futility.
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Tyrod Taylor is awful. I am already convinced that Hue Jackson is a terrible head coach, but if he doesn't put the rookie in to see what he can do tonight, he ought to be fired before leaving the facility. The Cleveland crowd is about ready to completely turn on Taylor.
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He does suck.
By the way, "Lawrence Taylor: A Football Life" tomorrow on the NFL Network. I won't miss that for my wedding.
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Giving the Browns their first win in almost two years would be the most Jets thing that the Jets could do.
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I gotta admit, that was pretty exciting.
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Todd Bowles demonstrated about 8 different reasons why he's a miserable head coach. Mayfield will get all the credit for the win, but ineptitude on the other side really made that possible.
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It took three weeks for the Jets to completely ruin their season. It’s honestly impressive how pathetic this team is.
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Loved Baker's post-game interview with the NFL Network guys. Diverted credit. Praised Taylor, Landry and Hyde. Head seems to be on straight.
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I always feel like I want to like and root for the Jets. As a Giants fan, I've never considered them rivals, just the other local team. It's not like Rangers/Devils playing in the same division and hating each other. But every time I feel like I want to support them, the Jets fans always have to rub it in about the Giants. It's like a local inferiority complex. The moment the Jets drafted Darnold it became about the Jets getting the QB for the future while the Giants squandered their future (instead of it just being about the Jets, it has to be a comparison). It became about shoving it down the Giants throat and that got even louder after week 1. I'm pretty happy to have watched the end of last nights game and watched all my Jets fans stfu in my group chat with my friends. I don't think it means Darnold won't have a great future with the Jets, just put their fan base down to ground a little bit at least with regards to rubbing it into Giants fans.
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What kind of a bizarre world is it where Jets fans are rubbing their draft picks in anyone's faces?
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J E T S SUCK SUCK SUCK.
:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:
Idiots.
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Since the Dodgers didn't play yesterday and my wife and I had a project to do that worked well with random, mindless TV in the background, I watched a good chunk of the game yesterday (starting around 5 minutes left in the first half). For a game in which I had no real rooting interest, it was actually quite enjoyable. Hopefully Mayfield can keep it going next week against Vegas.
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Hopefully Mayfield can keep it going next week against Vegas.
I don't see him having trouble beating them, even if he's the only Brown on the field.
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Todd Haley might be a major prick (okay, probably no might about it), but Mayfield will benefit greatly as a result of his coaching.
On the flip side, Darnold's upside might be limited if the Jets don't get a staff that can coach him up.
Never underestimate the impact of coaching. Jared Goff went from looking like a total bust under Jeff Fisher to a really good QB under Sean McVay. The moral of the story is, if you are going to draft a QB at or near the top of the draft, make sure you get someone on your coaching staff who knows how to coach quarterbacks.
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Seattle Seahawks and Dallas Cowboys play today. Both are my two favorite teams so it's gonna be a bitter-sweet ending..lol! It would be a awkward game for me to be at cheering for both teams while drinking really expensive cheap beer..🍺
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Buffalo up big early :o
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Wonder how many people are getting knocked out of Survivor pools this week with the Vikings.
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I always feel like I want to like and root for the Jets. As a Giants fan, I've never considered them rivals, just the other local team. It's not like Rangers/Devils playing in the same division and hating each other. But every time I feel like I want to support them, the Jets fans always have to rub it in about the Giants. It's like a local inferiority complex. The moment the Jets drafted Darnold it became about the Jets getting the QB for the future while the Giants squandered their future (instead of it just being about the Jets, it has to be a comparison). It became about shoving it down the Giants throat and that got even louder after week 1. I'm pretty happy to have watched the end of last nights game and watched all my Jets fans stfu in my group chat with my friends. I don't think it means Darnold won't have a great future with the Jets, just put their fan base down to ground a little bit at least with regards to rubbing it into Giants fans.
Funny enough, most of my Giants hate comes from a lot of the asshole Giants fans I’ve had to deal with. When the Jets were actually one of the top teams in the league from 2009-2010, all of the Giants fans I knew were trying to say it was a fluke meanwhile the Giants didn’t even make the playoffs those two years. It was so frustrating to have people say my team’s success was invalid, and then when the Giants went on to win the Super Bowl the next season, my frustration turned into pure hatred because those fans were able to throw it in my face even more. After that, I simply cannot root for the Giants unless they’re playing the Patriots. The Jets-Giants dynamic is very similar to the Yankees-Mets dynamic. Yankees fans don’t hate the Mets because they have no reason to. But for Mets fans, the Yankees represent everything that their team isn’t. The Yankees are successful and their fan base is massive and far reaching so there’s no escaping the constant reminder that your team’s history is one of failure. It goes even further with the Jets, because for a long time, we had to watch our team play in GIANTS stadium, creating a feeling that the Giants essentially owned the Jets, and watching the Giants win four Super Bowls while enduring Rich Kotite, the Broncos scoring 23 unanswered points in the 1998 AFC title game, Bill Belichick’s unceremonious resignation and subsequent success with our biggest rival, the Steelers converting on 3rd and 6 in the 2010 AFC title game, the infamous butt fumble, the Geno Smith era, and many other moments of ineptitude and heartbreak...well it leads to anger and jealousy. Being a Jets fan is rough, and watching the Giants fans around us enjoy their team’s general success while rubbing it in our faces makes it so much worse.
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oh totally know where you are coming from Count
and I'm happy that the Giants won a game. They didn't start Flowers and Eli had a great game. Funny how everyone's been calling for that guy to not be playing for years now and the moment they bench him, the offense and Eli look much better.
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Major letdown for the Jags, who beat up on the Patriots last week and then lost at home to the Titans today.
Major WTF out of the Vikings.
Jimmy G just got hurt. Knee. Could be bad. Not sure why he is running around like that and charging into defenders. A QB has to be smarter than that.
Watching Case Keenum has made any hope that my Broncos could contend this year evaporate.
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Between the Vikings and the Jags I gotta figure a lot of survivor pools are lying in ruins by now.
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Seattle Seahawks and Dallas Cowboys play today. Both are my two favorite teams so it's gonna be a bitter-sweet ending..lol! It would be a awkward game for me to be at cheering for both teams while drinking really expensive cheap beer..🍺
I usually do my picks Tuesday after the Monday game, so I don't forget. Sometimes - but VERY rarely - I will update a pick or two going into the weekend. Every year I have about two or three picks where I go "WTF were you thinking with that?!?". I just had my first: Dallas/Seattle. I had Dallas going to Seattle and winning on the field. WTF was I thinking with that?
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If Dallas had a real coach Randy Gregory would have come out in the second half wearing street clothes. If they had a real owner he'd be working at Home Depot. Dude's working with a Vontaze Burfict level of stupidity.
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Raiders being Raiders. Rams kicking ass. Seahawks looked good!
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Wonder how many people are getting knocked out of Survivor pools this week with the Vikings.
'Raises hand'. I make it to weeks 14 and 11 the last two years.....I mean, this was a team that looked JVish against the Ravens.
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The NFL hates Clay Matthews.
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Pats! :lol
This new roughing the passer rule is some bull. The NFL is slowly turning into touch football.
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Wonder how many people are getting knocked out of Survivor pools this week with the Vikings.
'Raises hand'. I make it to weeks 14 and 11 the last two years.....I mean, this was a team that looked JVish against the Ravens.
Yeah... got knocked out of my survivor for taking Minnesota. But I don't feel bad falling for the biggest upset in over 20 years. And I'm hardly alone.
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Belichick the GM is hurting Belichick the coach. Why he is not loading up on offense while you have a few years left of Brady is mindbogling. This Defense of poor at best. Miami is playing great coming in Foxborough next weekend.
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Eh, it's not Belichick's fault that Edelman got himself suspended for four games. Besides, they did draft a RB in the 1st round this year, they have a former first round pick in the lineup at WR, and they just traded for an All-Pro WR. Does Brady need everything around him to be perfect to excel at age 41?? All I've heard for years is how Brady is the GOAT because he can do well no matter who is around him on offense. :P
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Hogwash. Belichick has to have backups in place. Letting Amendola go for chump change was dumb. 1st round picks mean squat. So you're telling me you trust Griggson as a GM? He's the one that took Dorsett in the first round. Sorry, but I knew damn well how bad this D was and I'm a shlub. He did very little to fix it or to keep trusted receivers there for Brady's last few years.
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Gronk, Edelman and Hogan are all not trusted receivers?
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Gronk, Edelman and Hogan are all not trusted receivers?
Gronk is but when you have no one else on the field you can double team him all game. Hogan needs to be the 34 or 4th receive. Put him one or 2 and the other teams best corners can shut him down. No break away speed. Edelman, will be nice to have back so we'll see how that opens things up. You should have heard Brady after the game. You can tell he's hinting he has no trust with newer players.
It happened on the Int. The receiver has to see what Brady sees on the field and Dorestt did not. Brady threw it to where he thought he would be and Dorsett took the other route. That's the trust issues they are having right now.
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I think it was Collinsworth that said something similar. And it IS to some degree on Belichick. Brady is good, and he's 41 good, which means that he is not going through the same learning process as the guys around him. Manning experienced a little of this as well. You need not just draft picks, but you need one or two - in addition to Gronk - that are already at Brady's speed. What i mean is, more than just running routes, but also when the play breaks down. EVERYONE past Pop Warner knows that when the coverage is strong or the rush is good, collapse your route (back twoard the QB); except the DEFENSE knows that too, so Brady is hoping for something different. If the receivers aren't on that same page with Brady, you're going to see interceptions, and intentional groundings 45 yards down field.
I honestly don't think Gordon is going to pan out in NE for this reason. Physical specimen, to be sure, but "physical specimens" don't do well in NE. Randy Moss was a PS, but he was also one of the smartest receivers to ever play the game. They need Gordon to take away coverage so Hogan and Edelman can do what they do best. NE will be fine by the end of the season, but there are kinks that they need to work out.
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It the problem is Brady not trusting his receiver then maybe he should have spent a few weeks working with them during the damn OTAs.
In the end the bigger problem is the D. Brady will unfuck himself, and JE returning will certainly help. Won't matter if he can't get on the field, though. NE was getting steady pressure with 4 men the entire game against Houston. Not sure where that went, but they've been shit the last two weeks.
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It the problem is Brady not trusting his receiver then maybe he should have spent a few weeks working with them during the damn OTAs.
In the end the bigger problem is the D. Brady will unfuck himself, and JE returning will certainly help. Won't matter if he can't get on the field, though. NE was getting steady pressure with 4 men the entire game against Houston. Not sure where that went, but they've been shit the last two weeks.
Oh the D is a huge problem. The Brady thing is they've brought how many receivers in even during the 1st few weeks of the season? Amendola to cuts every yard to stay on the team. If they had consistency on O you could still battle with a average to poor D like they've down. Now, both sides are struggling.
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J - E - T....oh forget it. We're fucked.
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Jesus H.
Earl Thomas: “If they invested in me, I’d be out there practicing,” Thomas said, “but if I feel like anything – and I don’t give a damn if it’s small, I got a headache – I’m not practicing. “But I don’t want that to be taken the wrong way.”
How in the blue f*ck is someone supposed to take that? Send this guy packing to the the Jets for a jug of Gatorade. You want him Samsara, you can have him.
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Jesus H.
Earl Thomas: “If they invested in me, I’d be out there practicing,” Thomas said, “but if I feel like anything – and I don’t give a damn if it’s small, I got a headache – I’m not practicing. “But I don’t want that to be taken the wrong way.”
How in the blue f*ck is someone supposed to take that? Send this guy packing to the the Jets for a jug of Gatorade. You want him Samsara, you can have him.
Haha, "no problem, Earl; we're not taking you the wrong way." :)
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All I want is a competitive football team that will win once Super Bowl in my lifetime.
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It the problem is Brady not trusting his receiver then maybe he should have spent a few weeks working with them during the damn OTAs.
In the end the bigger problem is the D. Brady will unfuck himself, and JE returning will certainly help. Won't matter if he can't get on the field, though. NE was getting steady pressure with 4 men the entire game against Houston. Not sure where that went, but they've been shit the last two weeks.
I don't disagree with any of that. At one point they showed Brady sitting on the bench on the sideline and the announcer (again, I think it was Collinsworth) said something to the effect of "that's the single best defense against Brady I can name." It worked last night.
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All I want is a competitive football team that will win once Super Bowl in my lifetime.
I'm so sorry.
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I have to say it was a good day.
I was a very casual Giants fan growing up, and my wife a casual Pats fan due to where we were raised. (Upstate NY and Boston).
We started a family in the Ft. Lauderdale area, and decided to become hometown team fans.
That was the year the Dolphins one ONE game.
"What did we just do", my wife said, shaking her head. LOL
No one can say we are fair weathered fans.
We go to a game occasionally, but mostly sit in the pool and watch. We really get into it, and are fully invested in the team, come hell or high water.
We have our Dolphins shirts, hats, bathing suits, coozies....even the dog has a fins shirt. Its fun to be a fan.
We know these last three weeks are not indicative of what will happen the rest of the season. But we are 3-0, and the 1-2 Pats lost to the Lions.
I am just sitting back, soaking all this in, and enjoying the fu*k out of life. I know it wont last, but that's ok. Yesterday I was in my pool, not a cloud in the sky, cold one in my hand, burgers on the grill.....and watched my Fins go 3-0, and the Pats lose to the f-ing Lions.
Today I didn't even have to use my A.K.
I got to say it was a good day.
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They might be 4-0 after next week the way they are playing.
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They might be 4-0 after next week the way they are playing.
From your mouth to the Spaghetti Monsters ears.
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Major letdown for the Jags, who beat up on the Patriots last week and then lost at home to the Titans today.
Major WTF out of the Vikings.
Jimmy G just got hurt. Knee. Could be bad. Not sure why he is running around like that and charging into defenders. A QB has to be smarter than that.
Watching Case Keenum has made any hope that my Broncos could contend this year evaporate.
I have only been able to see the Broncos game against the Raiders so far, but I've been saying since the end of last season that, regardless of who the QB is, the Broncos won't be in any position to contend until they fix the offensive line. I think that should have been a higher priority on draft day than drafting another defensive stopper.
At least Vegas is 0-3!!!
Jags killed me in my survivor. I figured Jags over Titans was a safe pick. Even worse: my first instinct was to take the Rams. And to top off the weekend, Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski earned me a wimpy 14.5 fantasy points.... Hopefully Roethlisberger targets Schuster a lot more than he targets Brown tonight.
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They might be 4-0 after next week the way they are playing.
From your mouth to the Spaghetti Monsters ears.
:lol. Pats are very dysfunctional on both sides of the ball right now.
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Someone's got a case of the Mondays... :(
The Niners season thus far-
Week 1: You lost, but some obvious things need to be fixed, and you'll look good if you do. Also, don't sweat losing that RB you lost in pre-season, Breida is tearing up the field.
Week 2: You won, but only thanks to the Lions shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly, still a lot of stuff needs work.
Week 3: Every weak point of your defense is going to be exposed, you'll commit every penalty in the book, you'll add to an already long list of injuries, and then will somehow show a spark of hope and great play before losing your franchise QB the rest of the season.
I had hope coming into the season, and had the team shown consistent and strong play throughout the first three games I'd still be hopeful of a decent finish, but frankly things could start to look really ugly going forward. :
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Feel bad for Jimmy G.
One, I think it's kind of harsh to point at him for putting in the effort. It WAS dumb, but to equate that with injury (that wasn't, as far as I can tell, about the hit) is a little disingenuous.
Two, I think this increases the odds that he plays for the Pats again at some point in the future.
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Feel bad for Jimmy G.
One, I think it's kind of harsh to point at him for putting in the effort. It WAS dumb, but to equate that with injury (that wasn't, as far as I can tell, about the hit) is a little disingenuous.
Two, I think this increases the odds that he plays for the Pats again at some point in the future.
It's dumb to say the injury is his fault, could have happened there as easily as on a dozen plays earlier, and occurred pre-hit. That said, unless he was competing for a first down there going out of bounds was the right play, and what he should have done.
I also harbor no ill will towards the defender. Jimmy made himself a runner and got treated appropriately.
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Wasn't it 3rd and 20 when he got hurt? I thought he was still 8 yards away.
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All I want is a competitive football team that will win once Super Bowl in my lifetime.
All I want is my football team to win a 4th Super Bowl in my lifetime. :P
It the problem is Brady not trusting his receiver then maybe he should have spent a few weeks working with them during the damn OTAs.
Exactly. However, the friction between Brady and Belichick seems real, and it's clear that Brady skipped them as a middle finger to the coach, but in doing so he stunted his growth with his corps of pass catchers.
That said, I have no doubt that they will get their shit together, probably very soon. It's what they do.
NE was getting steady pressure with 4 men the entire game against Houston. Not sure where that went, but they've been shit the last two weeks.
Houston is a joke. Wait, scratch that. Bill O'Brien is a joke. Only that doofus could have DeSean Watson and DeAndre Hopkins and JJ Watt and be 0-3. :lol :lol
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Kev, while that did hurt GM Belichick went nuts with not signing Amendola, Lewis and Soldier. Trading Cooks. Tried to trade Gronk so it's two fold. Brady needed to be there for all the new players but Bill and his complex offense shouldn't have gutted the offense do much.
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Just checked out a little of the game tonight. The Steelers exemplify why football bugs me. You could call a fucking personal foul on every fucking play on them. They make a play and all mug and pose like the shit.
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Fitzmagic is running out
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Looks that way.
What a weird f'n week.
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Ben destroying that D, loving it so much.
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I made only my 2nd point spread wager since 1999 tonight. Took the Steelers +1. Looked obvious.
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I made only my 2nd point spread wager since 1999 tonight. Took the Steelers +1. Looked obvious.
Sounds like a SB bet. Lol
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This is getting out of hand..... https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24782945/william-hayes-miami-dolphins-tears-acl-trying-avoid-sack-flag
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Okay, but Richard Sherman isn't helping. It's less about "not caring for the rest of us" than it is having no clue how to solve a perceived problem. The QB is standing still, looking downfield and you have some of the greatest athletes in the world barreling down on them at full speed. It's not at all lost on me that Richard Sherman is pushing back on the NFL for simply asking these guys to control themselves.
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Okay, but Richard Sherman isn't helping. It's less about "not caring for the rest of us" than it is having no clue how to solve a perceived problem. The QB is standing still, looking downfield and you have some of the greatest athletes in the world barreling down on them at full speed. It's not at all lost on me that Richard Sherman is pushing back on the NFL for simply asking these guys to control themselves.
Not saying I agree with Richard Sherman, as the NFL has looked to increase safety in other areas, but I fully disagree with your assessment regarding the QBs. Are they football players or not? Part of the benefit of having a strong pass rush is that the opposing QB should be forced to focus less on his targets and more on what's around him. If a DB gets a nice clean hit on the QB to potentially knock a ball loose that's the entire point of the damn game.
Don't want your QB getting so much pressure? Run more, give him better protection, practice pocket presence with him, but don't keep going down this stupid path of expecting DBs to place a pillow under their head as they lay them gently to the ground.
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Agreed. I'm really not sure how the game is supposed to work anymore. Seems to me that if they're going to go this route, the next step is going to be a rebound where refs whistle in the grasp instantly. That won't be any better, and it sucks if you're an "athletic" quarterback.
What I do know is that the product is getting worse and worse, and this silliness about "protecting" the quarterback has been the biggest blow.
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Okay, but Richard Sherman isn't helping. It's less about "not caring for the rest of us" than it is having no clue how to solve a perceived problem. The QB is standing still, looking downfield and you have some of the greatest athletes in the world barreling down on them at full speed. It's not at all lost on me that Richard Sherman is pushing back on the NFL for simply asking these guys to control themselves.
Not saying I agree with Richard Sherman, as the NFL has looked to increase safety in other areas, but I fully disagree with your assessment regarding the QBs. Are they football players or not? Part of the benefit of having a strong pass rush is that the opposing QB should be forced to focus less on his targets and more on what's around him. If a DB gets a nice clean hit on the QB to potentially knock a ball loose that's the entire point of the damn game.
Don't want your QB getting so much pressure? Run more, give him better protection, practice pocket presence with him, but don't keep going down this stupid path of expecting DBs to place a pillow under their head as they lay them gently to the ground.
No, no, I totally agree with you; I'm not defending the rules there, I'm just saying that Richard Sherman is way off base and tried to explain why. I actually don't think the league is really protecting the QB with their rules. I believe that you let them play. When you have players thinking too much, THAT'S when guys get hurt. I think that was part of the problem with Jimmy G. Not the hit, not the "staying in bounds" but the uncertainty of what he was going to do. If he went straight out, or turned up field with authority, he would have been fine. Instead, he looked like he changed his mind at the last minute, and there you go.
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Wow, 49ers fell 8 spots in the power rankings. I mean, I'm not surprised, and I don't feel that is at all wrong. It just has a harder impact seeing it on "paper" (screen). /sadbosk
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Speaking of Power Rankings.... When is KevShmev going to start posting his?
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Count me as another one who thinks the new roughing rules are terrible. Now defensive guys are getting injured trying to avoid landing on the QB. Like Schlereth said this morning, how about applying a little common sense to the calls? You can usually tell malicious intent. Make it a reviewable play if you have to. Also, if you don't want your QB to get hit - PUT GUYS ON THE O-LINE THAT CAN BLOCK.
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I personally don't see what the problem was with roughing the passer calls as they were in previous years. It covered virtually all of the really bad stuff. There were always a handful of questionable calls, but it wasn't as bad as it is this year so far. I get it, Aaron Rogers got hurt on a legal play that some people didn't like. That's football. Players get hit hard sometimes. And sometimes they get hurt. That sucks, but it's part of the game. I would guess this one issue is driving away fans about 100 times more than the stupid kneeling thing ever did.
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Hey, anybody predict there'd be no losing teams in the AFC North after week 3? ;)
The NFL can tweak this stupid QB rule. Do it now! Don't wait for the end of the season.
Things I also wish they'd fix: change the automatic 1st down on the 'incidental' helmet rule to a five yard penalty from the spot. No automatic first down. If a guy launches with intent, then by all means, that's a 15 yarder, review it, and toss his axe out.
Same goes with the 'illegal contact downfield'. I see too many 3rd and 15+, where there's contact one time at about 7 yards downfield, a flag, and a first down. Make it a five yard penalty. No automatic first down.
On to the 'nitpicking trivial: hey, NBC, I don't need you to change the turf green between the line of scrimmage and the 1st down line on 3rd downs. I already have the little 'down and distance' box at the lower right corner, the helpful 'imaginary line' on the field, and the stupid digital team logo on the field with down and distance. I'm not that stupid. Seriously, I'm really not.
(I also don't need the idiotic rectangular strike zone box over the plate on many baseball telecasts. But that's for another sport's thread.)
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On that topic watching an old NFL/college game from before Fox and everyone else starting putting all that text/images/logos/enhancement crap on the screen feels reminiscent of watching a black & white movie. Seriously, go to ESPN classic and watch an old college game (with Keith Jackson!) It's a trip just seeing the field and the players.
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Agreed. I'm really not sure how the game is supposed to work anymore. Seems to me that if they're going to go this route, the next step is going to be a rebound where refs whistle in the grasp instantly. That won't be any better, and it sucks if you're an "athletic" quarterback.
What I do know is that the product is getting worse and worse, and this silliness about "protecting" the quarterback has been the biggest blow.
I agree. I LOVED football as a kid and a young adult. I couldn't get enough and would watch as many games as I could. Now, I find it difficult to muster the interest to watch anymore, outside of catching "my team" when it's convenient, maybe seeing a couple of playoff games, and watching the SB because it is always a fun social event. And even then, it often feels like more of a chore than entertainment.
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Speaking of Power Rankings.... When is KevShmev going to start posting his?
I can bring them back if people want to see them. They didn't seem to create as much chatter last year, and since we are literally the only forum left on the internet that doesn't have a "like" button :lol, I have no idea if people actually enjoyed seeing them or not.
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I like you Kev.
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Speaking of Power Rankings.... When is KevShmev going to start posting his?
I can bring them back if people want to see them. They didn't seem to create as much chatter last year, and since we are literally the only forum left on the internet that doesn't have a "like" button :lol, I have no idea if people actually enjoyed seeing them or not.
I loved seeing them, and I think most others did as well. Unfortunately, the forum simply isn't as active as it was, say, five years ago. So there isn't as much chatter. And people often read and move on without responding. But the posts were great.
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Speaking of Power Rankings.... When is KevShmev going to start posting his?
I can bring them back if people want to see them. They didn't seem to create as much chatter last year, and since we are literally the only forum left on the internet that doesn't have a "like" button :lol, I have no idea if people actually enjoyed seeing them or not.
(https://cdn-webimages.wimages.net/051315c01510974002157789f1a531da880a18-wm.jpg?v=3)
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I bet Stuart Smalley has a "like" button.
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Alrighty then, by unpopular demand...;)
Pre-Week 4 Power Rankings
1. Rams - easily the most well-rounded team, but injuries to the top two corners could hurt for a while
2. Chiefs - defense will bring them down eventually, but that offense is something else right now
3. Eagles - they just need to keep winning games while they get healthy and get it together
4. Saints - similar to the Chiefs in that they have a phenomenal offense and a shaky defense
5. Dolphins - I don't see this lasting, but 3-0 is 3-0
6. Jags - major letdown after beating New England, but I think they'll be okay
7. Panthers - one of those really good teams no one seems to be talking about
8. Bucs - feels like Fitz's magic is on borrowed time, as we saw in the first half last night, but they've have a heckuva start
9. Steelers - another great offense/bad offense team
10. Bengals - tough loss to the Panthers, following two impressive wins
Trending up:
Bears - not sure I am sold on their young QB, but they look much improved overall
Redskins - was kind of an afterthought for most of the offseason, but a 2-1 start with a butt kicking of the Packers is a good start
Browns - you are trending up any time you win a game for the first time in 21 months
Titans - looking better than I thought they would
Bills - great road win after looking like utter trash the first two weeks
Trending down:
49ers - their upside with that tough schedule was limited anyway, but losing their QB for the year means they are done
Patriots - this won't last, but consecutive double digit losses is eye-opening
Texans - Bill O'Brien might not last the season
Raiders - Gruden showing already how overrated he is
Cardinals - look like a mess
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Trending up. Stiff Arms.
DID YOU SEE THAT STIFF ARM.
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1. Rams
Yeah, going back to your earlier post, that reminded me: Another reason I sometimes didn't respond to your power rankings post, despite reading them, is because I was pretty sure that if I started, it would end in a fight. Putting "1." and "Rams" in the same sentence is fightin' words where I come from.
2. Chiefs
See above.
49ers - their upside with that tough schedule was limited anyway, but losing their QB for the year means they are done
Sadly, I agree. Some teams might be able to survive it. The '9ers were a good team on the rise that might have snuck into the playoffs or, more likely, just missed this year. They aren't a team likely to survive this. Not this year. I just hope it doesn't completely demoralize them and set them WAY back in terms of the long haul.
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Rankings are fun, and I will try to make a meaningful contribution. For this first set, not much to argue about - please note for the Steelers you put great offense/bad offense ;)
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Maybe that was a Good Ben/Bad Ben pun, rather than a typo. :P
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Glad to see the rankings return. Sometimes I agree with them (this week's is spot on), and sometime I disagree. But the effort is appreciated either way.
Random observation, I watched a Joe Greene highlight video that popped up on my facebook feed last night and a great majority of the plays in the video would have been illegal by today's standards. I certainly understand the league outlawing some of the stuff that used to go on, but they've went beyond too far to the point of being ridiculous.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I found this week to be a TOUGH week to pick.
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Maybe that was a Good Ben/Bad Ben pun, rather than a typo. :P
BOOOO :lol
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1. Rams
Yeah, going back to your earlier post, that reminded me: Another reason I sometimes didn't respond to your power rankings post, despite reading them, is because I was pretty sure that if I started, it would end in a fight. Putting "1." and "Rams" in the same sentence is fightin' words where I come from.
It'd be even better if the "1" were next to "Broncos," but that ain't happening this year.
Trending down:
49ers - their upside with that tough schedule was limited anyway, but losing their QB for the year means they are done
Patriots - this won't last, but consecutive double digit losses is eye-opening
Texans - Bill O'Brien might not last the season
Raiders - Gruden showing already how overrated he is
Cardinals - look like a mess
I don't know if you can actually "trend down" when you're already at the bottom.
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Yeah Kev, how did 3 winless teams get into the trending down category when Dallas could've been there? :rollin
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Ugh, I’m not ready for Steelers-Ravens so soon . . .
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Yeah Kev, how did 3 winless teams get into the trending down category when Dallas could've been there? :rollin
This is an inexact science. :lol :lol
Maybe I will rank the starting QBs from 1 to whatever (leaving out the rookies/first year starters since it is too soon to judge them) and really start some debating. :biggrin:
It'd be even better if the "1" were next to "Broncos," but that ain't happening this year.
Not with that coach and that QB.
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It'd be even better if the "1" were next to "Broncos," but that ain't happening this year.
Not with that coach and that QB.
I don't think it's so much the QB as it is the offensive line. Even John Elway in his prime needed SOME protection!
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Jared Goff is putting on a show.
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Jared Goff is putting on a show.
The future.
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Cousins looks really good as well, but the Rams offense is just on a whole other level. And they haven't even used Gurley that much so far tonight.
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Jared Goff is putting on a show.
The future.
Good thing his parents didn't name him Jack.
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Cousins looks really good as well, but the Rams offense is just on a whole other level. And they haven't even used Gurley that much so far tonight.
That spells doom for many teams.
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Jared Goff is putting on a show.
The future.
Good thing his parents didn't name him Jack.
Middle name Me.
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I guess defense is think of the past.
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Reminded me of last year's Super Bowl. Exciting game, but it's like, can we get a little defense? Receivers were running free all over the place all night.
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Arena league football is here. Should settle down a little when cold weather hits.
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So much for that elite Vikings defense.
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Those passes by Goff. :eek It doesn't get any better than that. It was unreal how he was consistently hitting guys right in stride all night.
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Those passes by Goff. :eek It doesn't get any better than that. It was unreal how he was consistently hitting guys right in stride all night.
Yeah it’s not supposed to be that easy to play NFL Quarterback.
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:lol To "be" easy? I don't think it was. To "look" easy? Yeah, it's not supposed to look so easy. But, man oh man, when it DOES, it's a thing of beauty. I hate that it is the Rams that is making it look so easy. But I still appreciate what a sight to behold that it is.
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Oh! There was a game on last night? :facepalm: That's about how out of touch I am with the NFL these days. Video games are more interesting.
I guess defense is think of the past.
Ya think? :lol
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Guys, gals: You owe it to yourself to watch "A Football Life: Lawrence Taylor". A troubled man, no doubt, but a great football player - perhaps the greatest to ever play.
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What a fantastic game last night! Yeah... my voice is gone. What a great crowd in attendance. LOTS of Vikes fans, which isn't a shocker with all the Minny transplants here. They were great though. Had lots of fun at our tailgate and at the game with friends. Goff is just getting better, and better. The timing and the tight windows...wow! After 13 years of heartache it's once again a great time to be a Rams fan!
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I will submit for the record that it is NEVER a good time to be a Rams fan because, at the end of the day, that means you are a Rams fan.
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Hey... did you guys hear something? :biggrin:
GO RAMS!!!!!!
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Am I in L.A. or STL? Can't remember... :lol
After 13 years of heartache it's once again a great time to be a Rams fan!
Only 13 years? Consider yourself fortunate.
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Am I in L.A. or STL? Can't remember... :lol
After 13 years of heartache it's once again a great time to be a Rams fan!
Only 13 years? Consider yourself fortunate.
I agree some other teams fans have it worse for sure. But for the Rams from '90-'17 we had I think 4 winning seasons. That's pretty rough.
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You can't call a stretch rough that included a Super Bowl win and another Super Bowl appearance. ;)
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But the surrounding years were horrific... :lol
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Hey... did you guys hear something? :biggrin:
GO RAMS!!!!!!
Yea man! Love those throwback unis too! Wish I was there, my brother was and he got me a rally towel!
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It just goes to show that patience is the key with seeing how quarterbacks develop.
In their rookie seasons, Dak look like a steal, Wentz looked like someone who could be good despite some struggles, and Goff looked like a total bust.
Now, in their third seasons, Dak looks like JAG, Wentz is working to get back to form after getting hurt during his incredible 2nd season, and Goff is showing why he was the number 1 pick.
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Jesus Christ. Patriots turnover margin in the Belichick era is +179. Second place is GB with +88. That'll win you five super bowls.
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I should believe that with the run they've had but 32 team and number 2 is more than half of the 179?!
Unreal.
Good to see the offensive spreading the ball everywhere as well as balanced and the D playing much better.
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Mitchell Trubisky has 5 touchdowns in the first half.
This is the current NFL product.
Good grief.
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Dolphins, Bills, and Jets all look absolutely horrible today. Such a luxury to be able to play them twice a year every year.
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Mitchell Trubisky has 5 touchdowns in the first half.
This is the current NFL product.
Good grief.
Yup, NFL has jumped the shark with Trubisky’s stat line.
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Dolphins, Bills, and Jets all look absolutely horrible today. Such a luxury to be able to play them twice a year every year.
Yet, the Pats record against the rest of the league is better.
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I see the AFC East have returned to normalcy. 12:00PDT, Bills, Jets, Dolphins have a combined zero points.
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Some great overtime games happening right now.
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Hell of a win for the Titans.
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Stupid ass OT rule.
Oh well. 2-2 ain't the end of the world, especially considering what this team has been through. Bring on the Vikings
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Back to reality in So Fla.
Fun while it lasted.
At least we kept it close all game
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LOL Frank Reich.
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LOL Frank Reich.
Rookie coach move. He'll learn from his mistakes.
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Dolphins, Bills, and Jets all look absolutely horrible today. Such a luxury to be able to play them twice a year every year.
Yet, the Pats record against the rest of the league is better.
Playing in the AFC East has still been a major luxury.
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LOL Frank Reich.
Rookie coach move. He'll learn from his mistakes.
Nah. Mismanaging the clock, failing to call a time out, those are rookie moves. I have no idea what that was, but it's well beyond a simple rookie mistake.
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I made a huge mistake as a rookie manager. Never did that again.
If does the same thing next time, then I'll agree with you.
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Ok. You're right EB. :lol
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/750x400q90/922/GzRNMq.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/f/pmGzRNMqj)
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The problem is that making FG range in the time remaining was highly unlikely. The reward simply wasn't worth the risk. His options were play to tie or give the game away. He chose the latter.
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He probably didn't expect Luck to throw that 4th down pass into the dirt. Still a dubious decision, although I get going for the win instead of punting and hoping for a tie.
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:lol
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24852699/earl-thomas-seattle-seahawks-carted-off
Coach Pete Carroll said this week that the Seahawks and Thomas are in a "good place" and that he wasn't concerned about any more drama with Thomas.
Thomas, who held out all offseason in protest of his contract situation, appeared to give the middle finger in the direction of Seattle's sideline as he was being taken into the locker room on a cart.
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The NFL officials just went in dry against the Browns. I legitimately feel bad for Browns fans, who literally just had a game stolen from them by the officials incompetence.
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The NFL officials just went in dry against the Browns. I legitimately feel bad for Browns fans, who literally just had a game stolen from them by the officials incompetence.
Yeah, that was pretty ugly. Two terrible calls that really changed the game.
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The NFL officials just went in dry against the Browns. I legitimately feel bad for Browns fans, who literally just had a game stolen from them by the officials incompetence.
Yeah, that was pretty ugly. Two terrible calls that really changed the game.
Absolutely indefensible. How is the league going to defend this? Had to get Gruden his first win I guess.
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The Titans are now winning games they would have lost in past seasons. If they can keep Mariotta on the field, the may end up being a good team.
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Titans bowling TD celebration! :lol
https://youtu.be/u2fXUigfif4
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It is crazy how close the Browns were to starting 4-0. Crazy season. Crazy refs in that Oakl/Cle game.
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After such a great start, Alex Collins fumble that could have made it 21-3 made for an excruciating night of dreadful memories of past failures for the Ravens at Heinz Field. I know that the Steelers don't have Bell, but holding them to only 47 yards in the 2nd half was quite unexpected. It's always a good day when 'Little Brother' beats Pittsburgh.
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Yup, Ravens D is legit, number 1 in the league again. Pitt had won the last 3, Ravens were due anyway. Pitt probably finishes 3rd or 4th in the division this year as the Browns look much improved.
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This just in...The Dallas Cowboys are changing their name to the Dallas Ezekiel Elliot's. :rollin
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Mahomes is one scary dude to face. He finally faced a real NFL defense and didn't light it up like he did the first three weeks, but when the game was on the line in the 4th quarter, he found a way to make plays and get them the win. What impresses me the most about him is when the play breaks down and he is flushed out of the pocket, rather than run like many young QBs with his wheels would do, his first instinct is still to pass. And he should only get better. Yowza.
Meanwhile, my boys are stuck with shitty ass Case Keenum. :censored :censored
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Pre-Week 5 Power Rankings
1. Rams - Goff has evolved into an elite QB
2. Chiefs - Mahomes might be the first QB since Kurt Warner to be the MVP in his first full season as a starter
3. Ravens - not sure how I didn't have them ranked last week, but that was an impressive beatdown in Pittsburgh
4. Saints - if their defense can get it together like last year, they will be the clear number 2 team in the NFC
5. Jags - defense is still awesome and Bortles is getting better
6. Patriots - deep down, didn't we all know they'd get better in a hurry?
7. Panthers - one of those mystery teams that will not get talked about and then end up with 11 wins
8. Bengals - fast starts are now new to this team, but they have a lot of weapons on offense, and should get Joe Mixon back soon
9. Bears - an Aaron Rodgers epic comeback away from being 4-0
10. Titans - not sure how they are doing it, but back to back wins at Jacksonville and then against Philly is really impressive
Trending up:
Seahawks - a team with Russell Wilson at QB will never stay down for long
Packers - not sure what to make of this team and the struggles on offense
Redskins - can they keep their good start going post-bye week?
Cowboys - up and down so far, but trending up after a good win over a game Lions team
Raiders - a cheap win, thanks to an awful overturn, but after an 0-3 start, they will take it
Trending down:
Broncos - upside severely limited due to a mediocre QB and still shaky-at-times o-line
Bucs - predictable plummet after a hot start
Falcons - what happened to their defense??
Vikings - what happened to their defense????
Jets - remember when they appeared to be a team on the rise after that week 1 win?
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Trending up:
Seahawks - a team with Russell Wilson at QB will never stay down for long
Maybe, but their 2012-2014 peak run was built on 1) defense, 2) the running game, and 3) team unity. Guess what three things the 2018 Seahawks don't have.
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Trending up:
Seahawks - a team with Russell Wilson at QB will never stay down for long
Maybe, but their 2012-2014 peak run was built on 1) defense, 2) the running game, and 3) team unity. Guess what three things the 2018 Seahawks don't have.
Okay, but I don't think anyone is expecting them to return to that peak form this year. But when you have an elite QB like Wilson, you always have a chance to be a playoff team.
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Very few people in Seattle feel this is a playoff team.
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But they have a chance, especially with projected playoff teams like the Falcons, Vikings and Eagles all struggling.
I am not saying they will make the playoffs, but they have a chance. Having that elite QB gives them that chance.
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So apparently the final number for Crowell's end zone celebration fine is in. ...and to balance the scales, he received a sponsorship from Dude Wipes. :lol
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So apparently the final number for Crowell's end zone celebration fine is in. ...and to balance the scales, he received a sponsorship from Dude Wipes. :lol
Yeah I saw that yesterday and got a chuckle. I wonder if that'll get him in any hot water with the coach.
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Sucks when disrespectful behavior gets rewarded. Ah well, such is life.
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Sucks when disrespectful behavior gets rewarded. Ah well, such is life.
You don't watch the news much, do you? :) :) :) :) :)
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Sucks when disrespectful behavior gets rewarded. Ah well, such is life.
You don't watch the news much, do you? :) :) :) :) :)
Hence the such is life! I've grown accustomed to the concept unfortunately.
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Impressed by Suggs' paying ultimate respect . . . used to hate that guy but can't anymore. Edit: couldn't get the photos to copy because I'm a tech moron
“I’ve been a part of this rivalry for 16 years. That team has raised my level of play. Even rivals can show respect. The player I am is because of the Pittsburgh Steelers.” — Terrell Suggs.
Terrell Suggs posted a photo of his autographed Roethlisberger jersey on Instagram. The inscription from Ben reads:
“Sizzle, It’s an honor to compete against you! First ballot HOF!”
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Yeah the Pittsburgh / Baltimore rivalry is not what it used to be for a few years now. Both teams each face bigger problems , mostly from within for each I would guess. I will say that there are very few that could take the hits that Ben R. has throughout his career just on Ravens games alone. Stillers need another Hines Ward to stir the pot !!!
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Ben is just showing him some love, but Suggs a first ballot Hall of Famer? Let's be serious. He's a borderline guy at best.
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He's had a very long career by NFL standards, and I believe that he's 2nd in sacks for active players. Not too shabby. Might not make it in the first year that he's eligible, but I'm fairly certain that he won't have to wait too long.
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He was credited with 1.5 sacks vs. Denver two weeks ago. He could have had three others, but was held and Denver was flagged on them. Don't be surprised if he does make it in on the first ballot. If he isn't, he's there by year 2.
Some background for this rivalry. When I moved here in 2000, I was amazed at the amount of Steelers jerseys I would see around here. I knew of the 'geographical bits' in Michigan. In the western part of the Lower Peninsula, there were tons of Bears fans. Throughout the Upper Peninsula, there were tons of Packers and Vikings fans (oh, and, other than Barry Sanders, the Lions sucked).
This area did not have a team for a dozen years and a total break of anything to do with the Irsays and Indy other than memories of the better times for two decades up to the late 70s, so people had to adopt a team. The DC Potatoes got jammed down peoples' throats, (there was never much of fondness to begin with), so many chose Pittsburgh. I totally get it. It makes sense. And it makes it 'special', much like your favorite college rivalry.
Moving on: so many 'hate' Ben, and they really hated Hines Ward. I mean, they totally despised him. "He's dirty this, he's a cheap shot that". When asked if they would want to have Hines on the Ravens team, they'd say "Well, uh..., hell, yeah!" :D
There was some good stuff to read and listen to during the past week here. My favorite was a quote of Suggs from a few years back, after a Ravens win where he had three sacks.
"Ben's soul may belong to God, but his ass belongs to me."
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Didn't Hines Ward win some poll to that effect? It was either that, or some coach said that. Something to the effect of "he's the most hated guy in the league, but also the guy you most wanted on YOUR team".
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Didn't Hines Ward win some poll to that effect? It was either that, or some coach said that. Something to the effect of "he's the most hated guy in the league, but also the guy you most wanted on YOUR team".
He probably did, that sounds about right.
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I don't like the Ravens, and I don't like Suggs, but I agree that he's easily an HOF'er ("first ballot" or otherwise has no meaning to me, and it's really all about who else is eligible when he becomes eligible).
And yes, Hines Ward was the the Claude Lemieux/Sean Avery of the NFL (except he wasn't nearly as big of a douche as either of those guys).
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I don't like the Ravens, and I don't like Suggs, but I agree that he's easily an HOF'er ("first ballot" or otherwise has no meaning to me, and it's really all about who else is eligible when he becomes eligible).
And yes, Hines Ward was the the Claude Lemieux/Sean Avery of the NFL (except he wasn't nearly as big of a douche as either of those guys).
Oh believe me, Hines is a pretty big douche :lol
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Regarding Suggs, yes, he has had a long career, but despite the fact that (roughly) 4-6 outside linebackers make the team every year, he has been All-Pro only twice (1st team once, 2nd team once). I have a hard time calling you a Hall of Famer if you have that long of a career and are only one of the best at your position in two of those seasons.
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It's fitting that Brady's 500th touchdown pass was a) a play where he had 8 minutes to throw, and b) a lucky as hell heave into double coverage that both DBs played wrong. Talk about having the life, being that good and that lucky. :lol :lol
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Ah shucks! I missed the golden boy again. I consider it a lost opportunity.
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It's fitting that Brady's 500th touchdown pass was a) a play where he had 8 minutes to throw, and b) a lucky as hell heave into double coverage that both DBs played wrong. Talk about having the life, being that good and that lucky. :lol :lol
You should watch it again and see it from Gordon's perspective, rather than the guys that didn't make the play. I don't give a damn about Brady's 500th TD. I care a great deal that Gordon knew where he was supposed to be, acquired the ball in the air, saw where the defenders were, and made an excellent adjustment to split the two guys. What you described as luck and poor coverage looked like an excellent read and adjustment to me. Until that it was a pick waiting to happen. Gordon seems to be a total dumbass at real life, but he apparently has a pretty good noggin for football, and I'm encouraged by what I saw.
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It's fitting that Brady's 500th touchdown pass was a) a play where he had 8 minutes to throw, and b) a lucky as hell heave into double coverage that both DBs played wrong. Talk about having the life, being that good and that lucky. :lol :lol
You should watch it again and see it from Gordon's perspective, rather than the guys that didn't make the play. I don't give a damn about Brady's 500th TD. I care a great deal that Gordon knew where he was supposed to be, acquired the ball in the air, saw where the defenders were, and made an excellent adjustment to split the two guys. What you described as luck and poor coverage looked like an excellent read and adjustment to me. Until that it was a pick waiting to happen. Gordon seems to be a total dumbass at real life, but he apparently has a pretty good noggin for football, and I'm encouraged by what I saw.
Definitely a great adjustment by Gordon. That said, if either defender is looking for the ball instead of focusing on Gordon, they probably make a play on the ball pretty easily.
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I'm disappointed in myself. On my fourth pour of Knob Creek and successfully made a pun on the other sports threads but can't fuggin figure out one for the Packers :facepalm:
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I'm disappointed in myself. On my fourth pour of Knob Creek and successfully made a pun on the other sports threads but can't fuggin figure out one for the Packers :facepalm:
I was going to say, after seeing the last two, that you didn't do it again! It was my CHIEF concern. ;D
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I'm disappointed in myself. On my fourth pour of Knob Creek and successfully made a pun on the other sports threads but can't fuggin figure out one for the Packers :facepalm:
I was going to say, after seeing the last two, that you didn't do it again! It was my CHIEF concern. ;D
Ah, you benched me! I aint going to Canton. Might as well PACK my bags and go
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I'm disappointed in myself. On my fourth pour of Knob Creek and successfully made a pun on the other sports threads but can't fuggin figure out one for the Packers :facepalm:
I was going to say, after seeing the last two, that you didn't do it again! It was my CHIEF concern. ;D
Ah, you benched me! I aint going to Canton. Might as well PACK my bags and go
How would you get there?
Drive a JAG?
Board a JET?
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I'm disappointed in myself. On my fourth pour of Knob Creek and successfully made a pun on the other sports threads but can't fuggin figure out one for the Packers :facepalm:
I was going to say, after seeing the last two, that you didn't do it again! It was my CHIEF concern. ;D
Ah, you benched me! I aint going to Canton. Might as well PACK my bags and go
How would you get there?
Drive a JAG?
Board a JET?
Ride on a DOLPHIN like a muthafuggin wizard
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I'm disappointed in myself. On my fourth pour of Knob Creek and successfully made a pun on the other sports threads but can't fuggin figure out one for the Packers :facepalm:
I was going to say, after seeing the last two, that you didn't do it again! It was my CHIEF concern. ;D
Ah, you benched me! I aint going to Canton. Might as well PACK my bags and go
How would you get there?
Drive a JAG?
Board a JET?
Ride on a DOLPHIN like a muthafuggin wizard
These bad puns are a GIANT fail.
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I'm disappointed in myself. On my fourth pour of Knob Creek and successfully made a pun on the other sports threads but can't fuggin figure out one for the Packers :facepalm:
I was going to say, after seeing the last two, that you didn't do it again! It was my CHIEF concern. ;D
Ah, you benched me! I aint going to Canton. Might as well PACK my bags and go
How would you get there?
Drive a JAG?
Board a JET?
Ride on a DOLPHIN like a muthafuggin wizard
These bad puns are a GIANT fail.
BEAR with us
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Giant fail? Sounds about right. Watching this team is taking years off my life.
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Well everything WAS going well, Bengals were down 17-0 and Ravens were losing late, but of course lol Dolphins and Browns :facepalm:
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The refs still don't like the Browns.
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Refs don't like the Giants either, wow can't believe that game... and 63 fucking yards?! Guy is money. >:(
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Gano with an incredible game winning kick
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Yeah that guy can hit a 60yarder... but Mason Crosby couldnt hit a freakin 30yarder AT ALL today >:(
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Oh I love McVay’s guts there. That’s winning football in the modern NFL, none of that gutless conservative garbage.
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Oh I love McVay’s guts there. That’s winning football in the modern NFL, none of that gutless conservative garbage.
I was just about to post this. I love it when coaches coach with balls and to win, instead of being nutless and scared to lose. Same thing with Pederson going for 2 at 20-12 (which is statistically the correct play there), although they still lost.
Oh, and Vance Joseph is the worst coach the Broncos have ever had. You give up over 300 rushing yards to the Jets?? He was given a killer defense and turned it into trash.
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You think he's still "having the time of his life"?
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Do we say this every year? I think so, but it sure seems like a wacky first 5 weeks. Literally anybody could beat anybody. The BROWNS could easily be 5-0.
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Refs don't like the Giants either, wow can't believe that game... and 63 fucking yards?! Guy is money. >:(
Giants have been killed by bad penalties. The horse collar penalty (that was clearly not a horse collar) on I believe it was Jenkins last week was crap and the unnecessary roughness call on Collins today was absurd and had a huge impact in this game. Heartbreaking loss to take the lead and then lose on a 63 yard field goal. Have to give credit to Gano though. That kick probably would had 5 yards to spare.
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It's funny that Jason Garrett and Bill O'Brien are offensive coaches. I watch both of their offenses and marvel at the utter lack of imagination when it comes to play-calling on both sides.
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It's funny that Jason Garrett and Bill O'Brien are offensive coaches. I watch both of their offenses and marvel at the utter lack of imagination when it comes to play-calling on both sides.
Why would you put that on Garrett? Linehan calls all of the plays, and we all know Garrett has no control over that.
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Do we say this every year? I think so, but it sure seems like a wacky first 5 weeks. Literally anybody could beat anybody. The BROWNS could easily be 5-0.
Certainly could, and should, have beaten the Saints (I was at the game... crushing) and the Raiders. But we'll happily take 2-2-1 today. First happy Monday in a while :biggrin:
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It's funny that Jason Garrett and Bill O'Brien are offensive coaches. I watch both of their offenses and marvel at the utter lack of imagination when it comes to play-calling on both sides.
Why would you put that on Garrett? Linehan calls all of the plays, and we all know Garrett has no control over that.
Because Garrett is the head coach and is considered an offensive guy, so his hand prints are (or at least should be) all over the offense, especially since this is what the offense has looked like in Dallas for years (just less talented pass catchers now).
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It's funny that Jason Garrett and Bill O'Brien are offensive coaches. I watch both of their offenses and marvel at the utter lack of imagination when it comes to play-calling on both sides.
Why would you put that on Garrett? Linehan calls all of the plays, and we all know Garrett has no control over that.
Because Garrett is the head coach and is considered an offensive guy, so his hand prints are (or at least should be) all over the offense, especially since this is what the offense has looked like in Dallas for years (just less talented pass catchers now).
This is a team owned by Jerry Jones. "Should be" hasn't been a legit thing since March 28, 1994.
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It's funny that Jason Garrett and Bill O'Brien are offensive coaches. I watch both of their offenses and marvel at the utter lack of imagination when it comes to play-calling on both sides.
Why would you put that on Garrett? Linehan calls all of the plays, and we all know Garrett has no control over that.
Because Garrett is the head coach and is considered an offensive guy, so his hand prints are (or at least should be) all over the offense, especially since this is what the offense has looked like in Dallas for years (just less talented pass catchers now).
This is a team owned by Jerry Jones. "Should be" hasn't been a legit thing since March 28, 1994.
QFT
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Yeah, Garrett is number 3 on the list when it comes to who to blame for offensive playcalling. Now, deciding to punt in OT is entirely on him, and Jerry seems bent out of shape about it, how they got there is on Linehan.
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JG is the head coach. It's on him and it's also on JJ for keeping him in that job for far too long. Ultimately, it's always JJ's fault cause he's the owner and GM. JG is nothing but another one of JJ's good ole boys.
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It's a 3 headed monster that has different %'s of the blame pie.
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Yeah, but it's JJ's pie and it's usually all over his face. :lol
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:lol
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Just for fun, my synopsis of what should be the current emotional state of the fan bases of the 32 NFL Teams:
HAPPY/CONTENT - Eagles, Patriots, Broncos, Seahawks - all with recent Lombardis and currently competitive teams except for Denver. Seattle fans obviously feel they let one slip away.
HOPEFUL - Rams - "we won after the 1999 season and our current team is a powerhouse"
CONCERNED - Giants, Ravens - "yeah, we've won within the last 7 years with our current QBs but they've pretty much sucked since then and we haven't done squat"
ANGSTY - Colts, Saints, Bucs - Won or played in SB within the last 10 - 15 years but further chances have proven to be very elusive
VERY GRUMPY - Steelers, Packers - proud legacy franchises with Lombardis within the last 10 years but currently wasting generational offensive weapons due to inept defense and poor coaching
ANGRY - Niners, Panthers, Titans - 4 total chances between the 3 teams since 2000 but fell short, 3 of the 4 being very close losses. Niners mollified a little by their history of success
PANICKY - Cowboys, Redskins - last SB wins were when mullets were still a thing and no one had heard of the World Wide Web, and not looking great in '18
STARVED - Texans, Jaguars - young franchises with several recent playoff ousters competing in the same division
IRATE - Dolphins, Raiders, Bears - last Lombardis pre-date (in order) Star Wars or Master of Puppets. Chances this year slim to none for all except the Bears
DOOM & DESPAIR - Chargers, Falcons, Bengals, Cardinals - total 5 shots at the crown but A. got blown out B. choked C. Got Montana'ed and Roethlisberger'ed
ON THE LEDGE - Lions, Browns, Jets, Chiefs, Vikings, Bills - SB wins 50 years ago, records for SB losses, or never have even sniffed the big one. Chiefs & Vikings looking to change the script this year.
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:lol :lol :lol That is brilliant! Well done. :tup :tup
As for Garrett, yes, Jerry Jones is way too much of a hands-on owner, but you can't tell me that the head coach doesn't get to put his hand prints all over the team, especially when it comes to strategy and system, and the Cowboys just look like a team with zero offensive imagination, and I put that on the head coach.
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:lol :lol :lol That is brilliant! Well done. :tup :tup
As for Garrett, yes, Jerry Jones is way too much of a hands-on owner, but you can't tell me that the head coach doesn't get to put his hand prints all over the team, especially when it comes to strategy and system, and the Cowboys just look like a team with zero offensive imagination, and I put that on the head coach.
Yeah, as a life-long Dallasite I do get to tell you that. Garrett's role is to keep the players motivated and to decide when to call timeouts. Parcells gets to rework the team. Garrett gets to do what he's told.
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Just for fun, my synopsis of what should be the current emotional state of the fan bases of the 32 NFL Teams:
HAPPY/CONTENT - Eagles, Patriots, Broncos, Seahawks - all with recent Lombardis and currently competitive teams except for Denver. Seattle fans obviously feel they let one slip away.
To suggest that Broncos fans should be "happy/content" just because the team won Super Bowl 50 (>2 1/2 years ago) strikes me as rather naive. Since winning the Super Bowl, the Broncos have been massive underachievers. Despite having a formidable defense, the team missed the playoffs the past two seasons and seems well on the its way to missing the playoffs again.
Keep in mind that, since first making the playoffs after the 1977 season (the Super Bowl 12 loss), the Broncos have only had two streaks in which the team missed the playoffs for three or more years: 1980-82 and 2006-10. The Broncos' fan base is neither accustomed to nor tolerant of extended periods of mediocrity.
I would say "concerned," "very grumpy" and/or "panicky" best describes the Broncos fan base.
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True, but with three Super Bowl wins in the last 20 seasons, it is hard to be too bummed, although the current state of the team is bad. I looked at the schedule earlier today and it looks brutal, so my hope is they finish like 4-12, which will doom their doofus coach and hopefully Keenum. Props to Elway for the work he did prior to the last few years, but he clearly has no eye for QB talent (Osweiler, P Lynch and now this). It might be time to move on from him as well. Next year's draft is supposed to be good for QB's, and there aren't many teams who will be needing one in the 1st round, so the Broncos could have their pick near the top!
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Not happy at all as a Pats fan. This defense is not what helps wins championships. That's what it's all about with only a few years left with Brady.
Call me spoiled but I'm a driven fan. :lol
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Congratulations to Drew Brees...and what a TD to get it on
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Just for fun, my synopsis of what should be the current emotional state of the fan bases of the 32 NFL Teams:
HAPPY/CONTENT - Eagles, Patriots, Broncos, Seahawks - all with recent Lombardis and currently competitive teams except for Denver. Seattle fans obviously feel they let one slip away.
I almost thought you forgot the Broncos because I wasn't looking for them in the HAPPY/CONTENT group :lol You'd think the sky is falling with this spoiled fan base if you read Broncos blogs/forums. I'm pretty disgusted with this team too after the loss to the Jets (and I happened to be at that game as well :facepalm:), but I'm still proud to be a Denver fan for obvious reasons.
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Just for fun, my synopsis of what should be the current emotional state of the fan bases of the 32 NFL Teams:
HAPPY/CONTENT - Eagles, Patriots, Broncos, Seahawks - all with recent Lombardis and currently competitive teams except for Denver. Seattle fans obviously feel they let one slip away.
HOPEFUL - Rams - "we won after the 1999 season and our current team is a powerhouse"
CONCERNED - Giants, Ravens - "yeah, we've won within the last 7 years with our current QBs but they've pretty much sucked since then and we haven't done squat"
ANGSTY - Colts, Saints, Bucs - Won or played in SB within the last 10 - 15 years but further chances have proven to be very elusive
VERY GRUMPY - Steelers, Packers - proud legacy franchises with Lombardis within the last 10 years but currently wasting generational offensive weapons due to inept defense and poor coaching
ANGRY - Niners, Panthers, Titans - 4 total chances between the 3 teams since 2000 but fell short, 3 of the 4 being very close losses. Niners mollified a little by their history of success
PANICKY - Cowboys, Redskins - last SB wins were when mullets were still a thing and no one had heard of the World Wide Web, and not looking great in '18
STARVED - Texans, Jaguars - young franchises with several recent playoff ousters competing in the same division
IRATE - Dolphins, Raiders, Bears - last Lombardis pre-date (in order) Star Wars or Master of Puppets. Chances this year slim to none for all except the Bears
DOOM & DESPAIR - Chargers, Falcons, Bengals, Cardinals - total 5 shots at the crown but A. got blown out B. choked C. Got Montana'ed and Roethlisberger'ed
ON THE LEDGE - Lions, Browns, Jets, Chiefs, Vikings, Bills - SB wins 50 years ago, records for SB losses, or never have even sniffed the big one. Chiefs & Vikings looking to change the script this year.
Good post :tup
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It's amazing how bad the NFC East is.
One of our vendors at work is hosting a big tailgate and taking my team to the game on Thursday (I work 15 minutes from the stadium). I feel so broken by the way this past game played out on Sunday, but somehow if the Giants win on Thursday against my most hated team in the NFL (Eagles) then they are really right in the mix for the division still. I have no expectations of this happening, but I feel a bit better about my team's chances at 1-4 than I possible could imagine any other season. If they lose as I expect, then it's time to look towards the draft.
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It's amazing how bad the NFC East is.
One of our vendors at work is hosting a big tailgate and taking my team to the game on Thursday (I work 15 minutes from the stadium). I feel so broken by the way this past game played out on Sunday, but somehow if the Giants win on Thursday against my most hated team in the NFL (Eagles) then they are really right in the mix for the division still. I have no expectations of this happening, but I feel a bit better about my team's chances at 1-4 than I possible could imagine any other season. If they lose as I expect, then it's time to look towards the draft.
The division is very much up for grabs. A loss is a loss, but damn the Giants just had a moral victory that they may be able to build upon.
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It's amazing how bad the NFC East is.
One of our vendors at work is hosting a big tailgate and taking my team to the game on Thursday (I work 15 minutes from the stadium). I feel so broken by the way this past game played out on Sunday, but somehow if the Giants win on Thursday against my most hated team in the NFL (Eagles) then they are really right in the mix for the division still. I have no expectations of this happening, but I feel a bit better about my team's chances at 1-4 than I possible could imagine any other season. If they lose as I expect, then it's time to look towards the draft.
The division is very much up for grabs. A loss is a loss, but damn the Giants just had a moral victory that they may be able to build upon.
That's my best hope, that they figured things out and finally scored 30 points in a game. Maybe they can rally on the fact they played fairly well and were able to come back and still fought till the last second/inch. But I don't know, I think the OL is improved without Flowers, but not good enough to make this team a winner.
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Any of the horrible NFC East teams should be glad the other 3 teams lost too. :lol :lol :lol
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Pre-Week 6 Power Rankings
1. Rams - imagine this team once the defense gets healthy
2. Chiefs - gritty win over a tough Jags team
3. Saints - Drew Brees is greatness personified
4. Ravens - tough letdown loss after winning at Pittsburgh
5. Jags - Bortles has one or two of those games a year and it's not surprising that one would happen in bad weather
6. Patriots - I suspect they will be top 5 very soon
7. Panthers - the 63-yard FG bailed them out, but it's surprising to see the defense collapse like that
8. Bengals - big test this week at home against the Steelers
9. Bears - can they keep it up over the course of the season?
10. Chargers - finally looked like the team many expected to see this season
Trending up:
Texans - I don't buy their head coach, but two wins after an 0-3 start is notable
Browns - giving their fans a heart attack on a weekly basis!
Cardinals - they won a game!
Bills - they won a second game!
Vikings - defense finally looked legit
Trending down:
Broncos - fire the coach and cut the QB now!!
Eagles - I predicted a Super Bowl hangover, but they are a bigger mess than I thought they'd be
Dolphins - the predictable slide has begun
Falcons - some thought they'd be a SB contender; instead they are a mess
Cowboys - tough loss and even the owner is not happy with the coach
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Good one Kev. LOL Cards! :hefdaddy :lol
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I will say this: it is nearly impossible for any athlete in today's current social media world to be universally liked, but Drew Brees is the closest thing.
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I will say this: it is nearly impossible for any athlete in today's current social media world to be universally liked, but Drew Brees is the closest thing.
I think not participating in social media is probably the key (or at least one of the keys). I don't know the extent to which Brees has a social media presence, but I'd guess it's pretty minimal. I suppose he's now a former athlete, but is there anyone with anything against a guy like Joe Thomas?
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I will say this: it is nearly impossible for any athlete in today's current social media world to be universally liked, but Drew Brees is the closest thing.
No doubt.
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Well that first half was pretty awesome!
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This just goes to show how dumb the Giants were for taking a RB 2nd overall when they could have taken their QB of the future. Eli is awful now, and while Barkley is awesome, he had over 150 yards from scrimmage in the first half and they were still down 24-6. Having a good QB is way more important than having a great RB.
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Absolutely. Barkley is a stud.....but I can't think of a top tier running back winning a super bowl since.......maybe T.D.
If they had Darnold, Rosen or Allen graded high.....they we're most likely better off grabbing a QB.
Edit... I guess I forgot about Faulk, who won one right after Davis.
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A top level RB makes the entire O much better. With Eli it's not enough, but if they draft a QB next year he'll be far better off with SB in the backfield.
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Wow Eli is getting destroyed on ESPN’s NFL home page. He had a QBR of 3.2 last night :rollin
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One of these is not like the others . . .
Scott Kacsmar
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Highest 3rd down conversion rate on throws since 2001
1. Ben Roethlisberger 46.6%
2. Peyton Manning 46.4%
3. Matt Ryan 45.6%
4. Drew Brees 45.6%
5. Jameis Winston 45.5%
6. Aaron Rodgers 45.5%
7. Tony Romo 45.1%
8. Philip Rivers 45.0%
9. Tom Brady 44.0%@fbgchase
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Color me impressed Winston.
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A top level RB makes the entire O much better. With Eli it's not enough, but if they draft a QB next year he'll be far better off with SB in the backfield.
Agreed, plus Eli is just battered and mentally ruined from this OL. He is done. Too old to recover IMO. They look like maybe the worst team in the NFL right now. I can't believe after last weekend they lost on a 63 yard field goal and last night our kicked was short from 52. Unbelievable.
Giants will get a QB need to continue to improve the OL for next year. Maybe trade Odell if possible too. Get him off the cap and let him ruin another team's locker room.
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I didn't watch the game (family drama) but if it's the OL that is decimating Eli, then having a rookie out of college isn't going to help either. That just makes the Gints the Robert Griffin-led Redskins at that point. If a vet like Eli can't make something happen playing behind a screen door, then it will be the rare rookie that does (even with fresher legs). The last thing the Giants need is a Cam Newton; that doesn't solve the problem it just masks it.
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I didn't watch the game (family drama) but if it's the OL that is decimating Eli, then having a rookie out of college isn't going to help either. That just makes the Gints the Robert Griffin-led Redskins at that point. If a vet like Eli can't make something happen playing behind a screen door, then it will be the rare rookie that does (even with fresher legs). The last thing the Giants need is a Cam Newton; that doesn't solve the problem it just masks it.
OL has been an issue the last few years and I thought they'd be much better with signing Nate Solder, and they seem to be a bit better since they released their top pick Eric Flowers who was a huge bust, but they still are really really bad at pass protection. A more mobile QB would definitely do better with this OL, but might also end up playing too skidish over time if he took a beating similar to what Eli has been taking. Eli has been doing more roll outs and screens to help with the OL being so poor, but you can't win by throwing horizontal all game. It's amazing Barkley is able to run so well behind this line as well, but he did that at PSU who had a terrible OL too, which is why I thought he would actually be solid here because he can handle it when the OL can't.
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I"m a Giants fan and I've always defended Eli and felt that he was still capable of being very successful if he has a competent O line, but I've come the realization that apparently I've been very wrong. Granted no QB would be incredibly successful behind their line, but Eli looks skittish again. He really looks scared back there and he is trying to get rid of the ball as fast as he can and on the rare opportunity that he can get the ball downfield and has enough time, he has been VERY inaccurate and missing his receivers badly.
Other observations are that this team is very undisciplined and selfish. I am done with Beckham. If the Giants lose 58-14, but he had 130 yards receiving with two TD catches, he'd be thrilled. He could care less about winning and he made that very apparent when instead of being happy for Barkley when he scored a long TD, Beckham is headbutting and punching a fan like the complete moron he is. There have been a lot of selfish players in the NFL, but this guy might be the worst of them all. It's really hard to cheer for a guy like him. I really wish they could trade him, but I know it's too late for that. On top of that you have the other moron Jenkins celebrating and posing after he broke up a pass on 3rd down (which was the first 3rd down the Giants stopped the Eagles on as they had been 10 for 10 prior to that). So they’re getting their ass kicked and this guy is celebrating after making one stop. Totally selfish.
The ONLY bright spot on this team is Barkley who is incredible and seems like he actually has a good head on his shoulders unlike the rest of these fools. Just totally disheartened by this team.
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I will say this: it is nearly impossible for any athlete in today's current social media world to be universally liked, but Drew Brees is the closest thing.
There is not any pro athlete that I have more respect for that Drew Brees. The guy is a total class act and it's great to see that someone like him is so universally popular.
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Couldn't agree more DT2003
I've also been a big Eli supporter. I think he would be OK behind a decent line, but he appears to be damaged goods now and I don't think it's worth it to work on a repair solution with someone of his age. He will take the fall for this team, which is sad because he's been pretty much a good person and great for this team through his career while Odell acts like an idiot.
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I’m so sick of Antonio Brown that I would gladly take OBJ for him.
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I'll take non-diva WR's like Julio Jones and DeAndre Hopkins, both of whom are still in their prime, over both of them.
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I'll take non-diva WR's like Julio Jones and DeAndre Hopkins, both of whom are still in their prime, over both of them.
Well yeah.
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The Titans-Ravens game should be interesting today after both teams lost last week. A lot depends on the Titans passing game.
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With Pittsburgh playing in Cincy this week and in anticipation of more “Road Ben” memes, I looked up won-loss records for road games at Football Database. Stunningly, Roethlisberger is tied with Brees with the 4th most road wins since the 1970 merger including playoffs. Regular season he’s 62-39 on the road. Then I discovered the following QBs had losing records on the road: Favre 73-76, Elway 53-59, Aikman 38-42, Esiason 30-55. Aaron Rodgers and Steve Young are 2 games over .500 on the road. Most QBs have losing road records. I feel a lot better now.
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The Titans-Ravens game should be interesting today after both teams lost last week. A lot depends on the Titans passing game.
And both teams lost games they should have won ( Bills - Browns ). I'm sure both teams are ready to go sure to be a tough game.
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With Pittsburgh playing in Cincy this week and in anticipation of more “Road Ben” memes, I looked up won-loss records for road games at Football Database. Stunningly, Roethlisberger is tied with Brees with the 4th most road wins since the 1970 merger including playoffs. Regular season he’s 62-39 on the road. Then I discovered the following QBs had losing records on the road: Favre 73-76, Elway 53-59, Aikman 38-42, Esiason 30-55. Aaron Rodgers and Steve Young are 2 games over .500 on the road. Most QBs have losing road records. I feel a lot better now.
I think the Steelers will win today, largely because I don't trust the Bengals to beat them, but the Road Ben memes are more than fair once you look at his splits in recent years.
Since the start of 2014,
Home: 82 touchdown passes, 26 interceptions
Road: 40 touchdown passes, 32 interceptions
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My god...that Dolphins fumble must be the saddest thing yo happen.
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Sadder than the missed FG in response?
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Sadder than the missed FG in response?
Haha that was epic. The entire ending was epic.
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Welcome back from the dead Jets. They may not be able keep this up and probably won’t make the playoffs, but it’s nice to be competitive in a very cluttered AFC East.
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Surprised the Cowboys are up 24-0 over the jags at halftime.
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With Pittsburgh playing in Cincy this week and in anticipation of more “Road Ben” memes, I looked up won-loss records for road games at Football Database. Stunningly, Roethlisberger is tied with Brees with the 4th most road wins since the 1970 merger including playoffs. Regular season he’s 62-39 on the road. Then I discovered the following QBs had losing records on the road: Favre 73-76, Elway 53-59, Aikman 38-42, Esiason 30-55. Aaron Rodgers and Steve Young are 2 games over .500 on the road. Most QBs have losing road records. I feel a lot better now.
I think the Steelers will win today, largely because I don't trust the Bengals to beat them, but the Road Ben memes are more than fair once you look at his splits in recent years.
Since the start of 2014,
Home: 82 touchdown passes, 26 interceptions
Road: 40 touchdown passes, 32 interceptions
@Cinci: 17 touchdown passes, 10 interceptions
I picked Pitt on the basis of Pitt being the more disciplined team (which is shocking if you think about it).
Tomlin might well be the dumbest coach in the league. He fucks up and squanders a TO in the first half, so to make up for it he doesn't challenge a pretty conclusive touchdown in the second. And if I'm not mistaken he went on to squander a time out before a punt because nobody knew what to do, when a delay of game would have benefited them.
When Ben finally retires that guy's gonna go 2-14 his next season out.
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Gotta admit, I rarely laugh as hard as I do when reading a Bengals message board after yet another home loss to the Steelers. Pure gold.
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So far, so good for the Pats.
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So far, so good for the Pats.
You mean their "pay-off" games.
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Yeah, the Pats pay off the refs and the league. You haven't paid attention to when the office in NY has done the last 4 years?
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I think he meant to say play-off games.
Brady might as well thrown that TD to Hill himself.
Surprised Reid didn't go for 2.
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I think he meant to say play-off games.
Brady might as well thrown that TD to Hill himself.
Surprised Reid didn't go for 2.
Yeah...exactly
Mighty good game.
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Cut Case Keenum.
Fire Vance Joseph.
Please.
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I think he meant to say play-off games.
Brady might as well thrown that TD to Hill himself.
Surprised Reid didn't go for 2.
Yeah...exactly
Mighty good game.
Sorry, you see that payoff crwp all over the internet with the Pats and the league.
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Cut Case Keenum.
Fire Vance Joseph.
Please.
It's Joseph. Terrible coach. Also, Elway has been in a slump as a GM lately.
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It's Joseph. Terrible coach. Also, Elway has been in a slump as a GM lately.
He has no eye for QB talent. Osweiler, Paxton Lynch and now Keenum.
But hey, he drafted Bradley Chubb, who looks like an awesome pick thus far.
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Pats blowing this game with settling with field goals. Now that return.
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Lol the guy just lets go of Brady and lets him walk in. You can’t make this stuff up.
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Lol the guy just lets go of Brady and lets him walk in. You can’t make this stuff up.
Probably afraid he will get flagged for touching the QB.
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Yeah, the rules are out of control but you've got to bring him down.
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And if Brady throws the ball a millisecond before he is taking him down, they throw a flag. It's such a joke now.
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You and I know the coaches don't teach them to let go. Finish and let the Dunbar call be the call.
The end result was a TD.
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Holy shit. How do you leave him that wide open? Jesus.
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Tyreek Hill is unreal.
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Speed kills. Biggest 3rd and 1 this season so far.
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Why would you tackle Gronk there? Let him score so you get the ball back. That was your only chance.
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Phew.
Kev, I think it's just instinct. They don't think in that moment to let them in.
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Holy shit. How do you leave him that wide open? Jesus.
Tyreek Hill is unreal.
I can't help but notice that the Patriots' odds of winning went up tenfold because of that TD. NE chewing up 3 minutes on their way to a FG was far, far more likely than their odds of preventing KC from doing the same. I don't know if Bill has the balls to give up a 75 yd TD with 3 minutes left, but if he doesn't he should. It was the smart play.
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And if I'm not mistaken he went on to squander a time out before a punt because nobody knew what to do, when a delay of game would have benefited them.
When Ben finally retires that guy's gonna go 2-14 his next season out.
Actually, they took the delay of game on that one. The announcers were confused, and ended up making the viewing situation worse.
I usually like it when Dan Fouts does a game, but he wasn't very good today.
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With Pittsburgh playing in Cincy this week and in anticipation of more “Road Ben” memes, I looked up won-loss records for road games at Football Database. Stunningly, Roethlisberger is tied with Brees with the 4th most road wins since the 1970 merger including playoffs. Regular season he’s 62-39 on the road. Then I discovered the following QBs had losing records on the road: Favre 73-76, Elway 53-59, Aikman 38-42, Esiason 30-55. Aaron Rodgers and Steve Young are 2 games over .500 on the road. Most QBs have losing road records. I feel a lot better now.
I think the Steelers will win today, largely because I don't trust the Bengals to beat them, but the Road Ben memes are more than fair once you look at his splits in recent years.
Since the start of 2014,
Home: 82 touchdown passes, 26 interceptions
Road: 40 touchdown passes, 32 interceptions
@Cinci: 17 touchdown passes, 10 interceptions
I picked Pitt on the basis of Pitt being the more disciplined team (which is shocking if you think about it).
Tomlin might well be the dumbest coach in the league. He fucks up and squanders a TO in the first half, so to make up for it he doesn't challenge a pretty conclusive touchdown in the second. And if I'm not mistaken he went on to squander a time out before a punt because nobody knew what to do, when a delay of game would have benefited them.
When Ben finally retires that guy's gonna go 2-14 his next season out.
Unless it's something catastrophic, like Russell Wilson is in traction, I never, ever change my picks on game day, but I was watching Howie, Terry, Jimmy and Michael Strahan talking about that game and I had a hunch and I switched to Pitt. Supposedly they are like 9-2 now in Cincy.
He does suck as a tactical coach, though.
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I watched every minute of that Pats-Chiefs game, and I'm not on the Patrick Mahomes II bandwagon. Yeah, he's got physical talent, yeah, he doesn't do stupid shit like Robert Griffin, or think he's Larry Csonka like Cam Newton, but he's still very green. That TD to Hill was ALL Hill (the throw was horrible), and the TD before that was a fluke that should have been incomplete (he sailed it over the intended receiver, and the actual recipient broke route and was able to make a play). He's got the worst throwing motion I've seen since Vinnie Testaverde (I don't know if Vinnie's is bad, I just like his name) and half the time he's just heaving it on the run.
He'll get smart with Reid as his coach, but as Parcell's says "let's put away the anointing oils for now, shall we"? Other than the strip sack - which was dumb - Brady showed who was still boss, in my opinion.
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I watched every minute of that Pats-Chiefs game, and I'm not on the Patrick Mahomes II bandwagon. Yeah, he's got physical talent, yeah, he doesn't do stupid shit like Robert Griffin, or think he's Larry Csonka like Cam Newton, but he's still very green. That TD to Hill was ALL Hill (the throw was horrible), and the TD before that was a fluke that should have been incomplete (he sailed it over the intended receiver, and the actual recipient broke route and was able to make a play). He's got the worst throwing motion I've seen since Vinnie Testaverde (I don't know if Vinnie's is bad, I just like his name) and half the time he's just heaving it on the run.
He'll get smart with Reid as his coach, but as Parcell's says "let's put away the anointing oils for now, shall we"? Other than the strip sack - which was dumb - Brady showed who was still boss, in my opinion.
He's got good football smarts and a remarkable amount of composure. He's gonna do just fine.
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That kid can throw with accuracy on the run.
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With Pittsburgh playing in Cincy this week and in anticipation of more “Road Ben” memes, I looked up won-loss records for road games at Football Database. Stunningly, Roethlisberger is tied with Brees with the 4th most road wins since the 1970 merger including playoffs. Regular season he’s 62-39 on the road. Then I discovered the following QBs had losing records on the road: Favre 73-76, Elway 53-59, Aikman 38-42, Esiason 30-55. Aaron Rodgers and Steve Young are 2 games over .500 on the road. Most QBs have losing road records. I feel a lot better now.
I think the Steelers will win today, largely because I don't trust the Bengals to beat them, but the Road Ben memes are more than fair once you look at his splits in recent years.
Since the start of 2014,
Home: 82 touchdown passes, 26 interceptions
Road: 40 touchdown passes, 32 interceptions
@Cinci: 17 touchdown passes, 10 interceptions
I picked Pitt on the basis of Pitt being the more disciplined team (which is shocking if you think about it).
Tomlin might well be the dumbest coach in the league. He fucks up and squanders a TO in the first half, so to make up for it he doesn't challenge a pretty conclusive touchdown in the second. And if I'm not mistaken he went on to squander a time out before a punt because nobody knew what to do, when a delay of game would have benefited them.
When Ben finally retires that guy's gonna go 2-14 his next season out.
All true, especially the bolded.
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I don’t suppose the league is going to do anything about that forearm shiver Burfict landed on AB’s head. Sigh.
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On the "Burfict Sliding Scale," that was one of his more tame cheap shots, but a dirty play nonetheless. If the league had any balls at all, which of course they don't, they'd suspend him for a year and start heavily fining Marvin Lewis as well.
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Felt sorry for Tyreek Hill for the beer incident at Gillette Stadium, a guy that choked out and punched a pregnant woman in the stomach deserves so much better ::)
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Felt sorry for Tyreek Hill for the beer incident at Gillette Stadium, a guy that choked out and punched a pregnant woman in the stomach deserves so much better ::)
One thing doesn't have anything to do with the other.
Fans should not be throwing beer on players on the field. Idiots like that in every city, unfortunately. Should be easy to figure out the seats of the perpetrator and revoke his season seats, if the Patriots organization does their due diligence.
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Felt sorry for Tyreek Hill for the beer incident at Gillette Stadium, a guy that choked out and punched a pregnant woman in the stomach deserves so much better ::)
One thing doesn't have anything to do with the other.
Fans should not be throwing beer on players on the field. Idiots like that in every city, unfortunately. Should be easy to figure out the seats of the perpetrator and revoke his season seats, if the Patriots organization does their due diligence.
No kidding... it just felt right that it happened to that disgrace of a human being, though.
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I literally just read that the guy has already been banned from the stadium, and Hill and his agent plan to take action against him. I say, good for them. Fans need to learn that you cannot assault players on the field. No matter how harmless dousing someone with a beer might seem, it is unacceptable.
Just more proof that alcohol is the devil.
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That's how I found out about the incident :lol Selling alcohol at any big public event like that is just asking for trouble, but obviously making money is more important than public safety. ::)
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What the hell do Patriot fans have to be so pissed about? Going to the Super Bowl every year isn’t good enough?
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The guy threw a Bud Light at him. That's not beer.
In all seriousness, he's done. Notice the girl with the double bird is ok.
What the hell do Patriot fans have to be so pissed about? Going to the Super Bowl every year isn’t good enough?
Really, that's why you got out of this? All of us act like this?
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In other news, the Packers defense is complete trash.
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Always have been. Without Rogers, that team is dead.
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I wouldn't say they've always been trash, they had been pretty solid in several seasons in the past with Aaron. The NFL just wants every game to be a shootout, any time there's tight coverage and an incomplete pass it seems they'll throw a flag for PI or holding these days. It seems that defensive players are much more hesitant to make plays this year for obvious reasons. Pretty soon they'll just have the defensive players stand in the same spot for the entire play like it's foosball :rollin
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In other news, the Packers defense is complete trash.
the more things change, the more they stay the same.
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In other news, the Packers defense is complete trash.
the more things change, the more they stay the same.
*Want's to quote Rush-Circumstances*
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The guy threw a Bud Light at him. That's not beer.
:lol
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The guy threw a Bud Light at him. That's not beer.
:lol That should be the dude's court defense!
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A bit off topic, but not really. Paul Allen died today. It is reasonable to say that without him stepping in and buying the Seahawks in 1997, they very well could have left Seattle. Thank you Paul. Thank you for being an owner who took pride in his team and its fans.
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I wouldn't say they've always been trash, they had been pretty solid in several seasons in the past with Aaron. The NFL just wants every game to be a shootout, any time there's tight coverage and an incomplete pass it seems they'll throw a flag for PI or holding these days. It seems that defensive players are much more hesitant to make plays this year for obvious reasons. Pretty soon they'll just have the defensive players stand in the same spot for the entire play like it's foosball :rollin
That's good, because neither did I. :biggrin:
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I know Kev, but King did :lol Or at least that's how I interpreted his post after yours earlier.
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I must really be old, because I didn't know that fans had ever stopped throwing beer at players. And apparently it stopped long enough ago that it's now considered shocking. News to me. I thought it was still a regular occurrence, and that beer is what civilized people threw. Rather than, say, bottles, snowballs loaded with batteries, molluscs, bananas, etc.
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Rather than, say, bottles, snowballs loaded with batteries, molluscs, bananas, etc.
I'll never forget that Chargers/Giants game years ago where someone nailed a coach on the sideline and put a serious hurt on him. A severe concussion if I remember right. Then I seen a news story about the Eagles having jail cells and a judge on site for all of their home games not long after that.
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Maybe Jason Whitten had one too many last night during MNF (or is he always this horrible?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_2ZjR9_z84
For years, I have kept the volume down during most sports telecasts. Just enough to hear some crowd noise, down enough to tune out as much of the blah-blah-blah and needless BS from the announcers. Somehow, I did hear this and did a double take. I think Jason needs to pull his head out of his :censored
Good game last night in this schizophrenic season. Meanwhile, the Ravens sleep walk to an OT loss in Cleveland, at one point being around 0 for 10 on 3rd downs. Sunday, they converted eleven of their first twelve, had three drives of seven+ minutes, and shut out the Titans in Nashville 21-0. 74 plays on offense, limiting the Titans to 40. Of those 40 plays, Mariota was sacked eleven times. Go figure.
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I know Kev, but King did :lol Or at least that's how I interpreted his post after yours earlier.
:lol
I think the couch/GM has hurt Arron's chances to win more SB's. Without Aaron, they wouldn't sniff the playoffs.
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I must really be old, because I didn't know that fans had ever stopped throwing beer at players. And apparently it stopped long enough ago that it's now considered shocking. News to me. I thought it was still a regular occurrence, and that beer is what civilized people threw. Rather than, say, bottles, snowballs loaded with batteries, molluscs, bananas, etc.
Yup, you are getting older.
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Maybe Jason Whitten had one too many last night during MNF (or is he always this horrible?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_2ZjR9_z84
I heard that too, as did my wife. She made a comment about it and I said "yeah, head. That's what magicians do. Don't you watch Penn and Teller?!?" (The joke being that we DO watch Penn and Teller regularly, but she tends to fall asleep when we sit and watch TV. As I type this I realize that this is a REALLY inside joke, but anyway...)
Point is, I thought Beathard played reasonably well - well, the Packers defense made him look really good - but I was more bugged by that line of analysis (their praise was faintly Mahomes-ish) than his lack of magic operations knowledge.
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I think the couch/GM has hurt Arron's chances to win more SB's. Without Aaron, they wouldn't sniff the playoffs.
The couch certainly hurt my chances at a career as a professional athlete!
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I think the couch/GM has hurt Arron's chances to win more SB's. Without Aaron, they wouldn't sniff the playoffs.
The couch certainly hurt my chances at a career as a professional athlete!
Son of a :lol
That's where I am as a professional. On the couch.
Coach obviously.
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The Green Bay Rodgers strike again!! :lol :lol
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I know Kev, but King did :lol Or at least that's how I interpreted his post after yours earlier.
:lol
I think the couch/GM has hurt Arron's chances to win more SB's. Without Aaron, they wouldn't sniff the playoffs.
I can agree with that... the 2016 team is a great example of that too. Rodgers was put in an impossible situation at 4-6 after some ugly losses where the defense was torn apart, yet he somehow managed to win 6 straight games to finish the season (while turning the ball over just 1 time in that span) and win the division. He carried that team that was practically dead to rights at one point all the way to the NFC championship game. This season it seems we're seeing more of the same with him so far.
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Pre-Week 7 Power Rankings
1. Rams - I don't see many possible losses left on their schedule
2. Chiefs - despite the loss, showed major guts in the comeback
3. Saints - the next month or so will tell us how good this team really is
4. Patriots - it still feels like this team has yet to peak
5. Ravens - they win ugly, but winning is winning
6. Chargers - finally looking like the team many expected to see
7. Steelers - they appear to have righted the ship
8. Panthers - still trying to get a real grip on this team
9. Bengals - crushing loss after a late drive to take the lead
10. Bears - they never seem to play well in Miami
Trending up:
Texans - three straight wins
Jets - trending up, but likely still looking at 8-8 at best
Seahawks - have won 3 of 4 after an 0-2 start
Vikings - on the verge of becoming the contender we all expected
Eagles - too much talent to not get it together
Trending down:
Broncos - a total mess
Raiders - a bigger mess!!
Jags - two rough road losses and the D had taken to school by the Dallas offense??
Bucs - predictable slide after an unexpected 2-0 start
Titans - what a pathetic offense
Top 5 MVP Contenders
1. Patrick Mahomes - unbelievable start
2. Aaron Rodgers - if he gets this trash to the playoffs, give him the trophy
3. Todd Gurley - his running and presence makes all of the difference on that offense
4. Drew Brees - as good as ever
5. Philip Rivers - Chargers always get ignored, but Rivers is killing it this year
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Gurley has been amazing.
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Ok Chiefs and Saints, you’ve been putting up 40 a game - now do a brother a solid and do that vs the Bengals and Ravens.
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Enjoying the early Charger-Titan game whilst doing sundry chores this morning.
Predictions: Brees throws his 500th career TD pass, the Ravens allow a 2nd half TD for the first time this year, but.....this won't be one of the 9+ indoor games the Saints get to play. Temps are dropping, the winds are gusting from 15-30 MPH, and Ravens fans finally get a dry home game to attend and get loud for. A pick or two, and a sack or three in spite of Humphries sitting out would be a big bonus. Looking forward to this one.
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Crazy finish in London. Chargers hit the bye week at 5-2.
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NE just never runs out of luck. Down at the 1. :facepalm:
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Luck would be Chicago fumbling going into the endzone.
Though, the Pats D sucks.
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Carson Wentz is really good, but his decision-making on that last drive was downright horrific.
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Carson Wentz is really good, but his decision-making on that last drive was downright horrific.
I didn't see it. I'm surprised this is a real hangover. They seemed ready for a long run. Only time will tell I guess.
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Carson Wentz is really good, but his decision-making on that last drive was downright horrific.
I was thinking the same thing. A bizarre turn of events for sure.
Congrats Hef, if you're still out there.
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So I'm watching the Saints and I got to thinking. If Drew Brees is so great, and Sean Payton is such a great coach, why have they only averaged a 9-7 record together (not including the year Payton was suspended)? They've only won their division 4 times! Those 11 seasons includes 5 losing seasons, and only making the playoffs in 6 of them, making the NFC Championship game only twice??
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So I'm watching the Saints and I got to thinking. If Drew Brees is so great, and Sean Payton is such a great coach, why have they only averaged a 9-7 record together (not including the year Payton was suspended)? They've only won their division 4 times! Those 11 seasons includes 5 losing seasons, and only making the playoffs in 6 of them, making the NFC Championship game only twice??
a) they play in a real division (not the Charmin soft AFC East)
b) their defense has stunk more often than not
c) Payton is what I would call a good head coach (not great)
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D) Balance on both sides of the ball wins championships and they haven't had that.
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Down 24-17, the Ravens score a TD at the end...and Justin Tucker missed the extra point, the first missed XP of his career. :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek
Looking at the replay, it almost looks like the wind kicked in at just the wrong time and jerked it wide. It was dead straight about halfway there. Crazy.
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E) Only Kev could turn a comment about the Saints into shot at the Patriots. :lol
b) their defense has stunk more often than not
c) Payton is what I would call a good head coach (not great)
So, how good is he?
Personally, I think Brees is excellent, But I personally consider Payton vastly overrated, and frankly I'm shocked he still has a job. Brees' career has been wasted under Payton. He should've won a LOT more.
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Kev, I missed that. I need to see the highlights. Damn.
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Personally, I think Brees is excellent, But I personally consider Payton vastly overrated, and frankly I'm shocked he still has a job. Brees' career has been wasted under Payton. He should've won a LOT more.
Agreed. It goes without saying that Brees and Payton have both benefited by working with the other, but while Payton will merely go down as a good head coach, Brees will go down as an all-time great QB.
For my money, since I have been watching football since around 1984/1985, the three best QB's I have seen (taking greatness and longevity into account) are without a doubt (in no specific order):
Joe Montana
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
The next tier would be:
Steve Young
John Elway
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Dan Marino
Brett Favre
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For my money, since I have been watching football since around 1984/1985, the three best QB's I have seen (taking greatness and longevity into account) are without a doubt (in no specific order):
Joe Montana
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
Oh man, that hurt just reading that. Did you have to have someone else type that? :lol
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Holy shit Dallas!!!!!
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Holy shit Dallas!!!!!
:tup :tup
Oh man, that hurt just reading that. Did you have to have someone else type that? :lol
:lol I might not like the Patriots, and I might take some good natured shots, but I would never deny the greatness of both Brady and Belichick.
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I peed my pants a little reading that.
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Jason Garrett's a pussy. Dallas should have been playing for a touchdown on that drive. FG for the tie is a fallback option, not the goal.
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I was thinking the same thing about the TD.
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I enjoyed the shot of Jerry Jones and his cronies after the missed field goal. :tup :tup
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Aren't the Bengals supposed to actually COVER the Chiefs' receivers?
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They can try
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Too many weapons, Reid is a great play caller, and Mahomes is the real deal.
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Heaven forbid he could throw one to Watkins so I could win in fantasy.
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Against the worst D in the league, Dalton is 8 of 15 for 31 yds when targeting receivers not named AJ Green.
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Jason Garrett's a pussy. Dallas should have been playing for a touchdown on that drive. FG for the tie is a fallback option, not the goal.
Well, that's a given but I thought you said that offensive play calling was on the OC, not the HC. :lol
I enjoyed the shot of Jerry Jones and his cronies after the missed field goal. :tup :tup
I wonder what their faces looked like when they found out it was a bad call by the ref to set them back 5 yards. The FG might've been good otherwise.
Too many weapons, Reid is a great play caller, and Mahomes is the real deal.
That's what they said about Dak Prescott. Give him a couple years and we'll see how he adjusts to having a completely different team around him.
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Lol no.....Dak had some hype his rookie but no one with basic football knowledge had him anywhere near the stratosphere that Mahomes currently and justifiably resides.
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Jason Garrett's a pussy. Dallas should have been playing for a touchdown on that drive. FG for the tie is a fallback option, not the goal.
Well, that's a given but I thought you said that offensive play calling was on the OC, not the HC. :lol
Point well taken. But there is a difference. I have to think JG could at least say "hey, we need to be really aggressive here" or something like that. His job for 3 hours a week is to manage games. Kev suggested it was to call plays. The criticism I made involves both.
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Lol no.....Dak had some hype his rookie but no one with basic football knowledge had him anywhere near the stratosphere that Mahomes currently and justifiably resides.
I disagree about Dak. It was a lot more than just hype and it's too early to tell about Mahomes.
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While there are definitely plenty of examples of quarterbacks who made big splashes and then regressed big time once the league figured them - *cough* Colin Kaepernick *cough* - I don't think Mahomes will be one of them. I have noticed he is doing a lot of the little things that you expect out of a great QB eventually, and he is doing them already. While very different quarterbacks, this reminds me of the Kurt Warner explosion in 1999, with a first year starter crushing the league with an offense loaded with stars and a great play caller.
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Also, he is in a place of good structure. That helps as well.
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Agreed. Drew Brees was on Cowherd's show last week and said how his focus was always on going to a good organization, rather than "being as drafted as high as possible." Some guys want the glory of going number 1, but what good does that do if you go to a clueless organization?
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Yup. Stability breads longevity.
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Some guys want the glory of going number 1, but what good does that do if you go to a clueless organization?
Bigger paycheck, more endorsement deals, higher cred with opposing players, etc.....
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Some guys want the glory of going number 1, but what good does that do if you go to a clueless organization?
Bigger paycheck, more endorsement deals, higher cred with opposing players, etc.....
Not when the Browns are drafting at the one spot...
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Get your boy, resident Bronco fans!
[/According to court records, a man and woman told police a man came into their home uninvited after 1 a.m. Tuesday and sat down on the couch "mumbling incoherently."
The records say the man chased the intruder out, striking him in the back with a vacuum tube.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25062867/broncos-backup-qb-chad-kelly-arrested-trespassing-case
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Get your boy, resident Bronco fans!
[/According to court records, a man and woman told police a man came into their home uninvited after 1 a.m. Tuesday and sat down on the couch "mumbling incoherently."
The records say the man chased the intruder out, striking him in the back with a vacuum tube.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25062867/broncos-backup-qb-chad-kelly-arrested-trespassing-case
That's just a weird story: "According to court records, a man and a woman told police that a stranger came into their Englewood home after 1 a.m. The intruder sat down on the couch next to the woman, who was holding the couple's young child, and was "mumbling incoherently," according to the records." Nice that the article includes "according to court records" twice.
"The man yelled at the intruder to get out and hit him in the back with a vacuum tube." A vacuum tube??! In addition to (presumably) being drunk, did he also stumble back in time to when folks had vacuum tubes lying around their houses?
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Pre-Week 8 Power Rankings
1. Rams - getting home field will guarantee that offense not having to endure bad weather playoff games
2. Chiefs - the most impressive all-around offense since the '99 Rams
3. Saints - huge road win over a good Ravens squad
4. Patriots - special teams made the difference in that one
5. Chargers - winning that type of game was odd, since they usually seem to lose those types of games
6. Ravens - lost a game in a way no one would have expected
7. Steelers - offense is humming, but will the defense be better after the bye week
8. Panthers - impressive 4th quarter comeback
9. Vikings - finally looking like the team most of us expected
10. Redskins - the best team no one is talking about
Trending up:
Texans - four straight wins
Lions - looking formidable after a rough start
Falcons - finally getting it together, but will it be too little too late?
Packers - time will tell if McCarthy can coach this team up at all
Bucs - finally stopped the bleeding
Trending down:
Jags - officially in free-fall
Raiders - traded Cooper and appear in the tank
Bears - have gone from looking like a possible contender to a team destined for .500
Eagles - 4th quarter collapse was shocking considering how good they looked for 3 quarters
Browns - remember when some (foolishly) thought they could win their division?
Top 5 MVP Contenders
1. Patrick Mahomes - the runaway winner at this point
2. Aaron Rodgers - will need some help from his teammates to make the playoffs in an NFC which is finally looking strong
3. Todd Gurley - putting together an historic season
4. Drew Brees - money no matter where he plays
5. Philip Rivers - continues to play extremely well and make use of all of his weapons
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"The man yelled at the intruder to get out and hit him in the back with a vacuum tube." A vacuum tube??! In addition to (presumably) being drunk, did he also stumble back in time to when folks had vacuum tubes lying around their houses?
What's funny is that I interpreted that differently. I figured it was referring to a tube from a vacuum cleaner. What's even funnier is that I have no idea which one would be a more hysterical weapon for home defense. There's something comically absurd about whipping out a thermionic tube to beat somebody with. It's about as predictable as pulling a cat out of your pocket and hurling it at him. Yet there's the sight-gag aspect for the vacuum cleaner hose. It's not going to hurt anybody but you can swing it enough to confuse the bejeezus out of him and probably scare him off. And ideally it makes a wonderful swooshing noise every time you bring it down. :lol
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:lol
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"The man yelled at the intruder to get out and hit him in the back with a vacuum tube." A vacuum tube??! In addition to (presumably) being drunk, did he also stumble back in time to when folks had vacuum tubes lying around their houses?
What's funny is that I interpreted that differently. I figured it was referring to a tube from a vacuum cleaner. What's even funnier is that I have no idea which one would be a more hysterical weapon for home defense. There's something comically absurd about whipping out a thermionic tube to beat somebody with. It's about as predictable as pulling a cat out of your pocket and hurling it at him. Yet there's the sight-gag aspect for the vacuum cleaner hose. It's not going to hurt anybody but you can swing it enough to confuse the bejeezus out of him and probably scare him off. And ideally it makes a wonderful swooshing noise every time you bring it down. :lol
:rollin
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Pre-Week 8 Power Rankings
1. Rams - getting home field will guarantee that offense not having to endure bad weather playoff games
2. Chiefs - the most impressive all-around offense since the '99 Rams
3. Saints - huge road win over a good Ravens squad
4. Patriots - special teams made the difference in that one
5. Chargers - winning that type of game was odd, since they usually seem to lose those types of games
6. Ravens - lost a game in a way no one would have expected
7. Steelers - offense is humming, but will the defense be better after the bye week
8. Panthers - impressive 4th quarter comeback
9. Vikings - finally looking like the team most of us expected
10. Redskins - the best team no one is talking about
Trending up:
Texans - four straight wins
Lions - looking formidable after a rough start
Falcons - finally getting it together, but will it be too little too late?
Packers - time will tell if McCarthy can coach this team up at all
Bucs - finally stopped the bleeding
Trending down:
Jags - officially in free-fall
Raiders - traded Cooper and appear in the tank
Bears - have gone from looking like a possible contender to a team destined for .500
Eagles - 4th quarter collapse was shocking considering how good they looked for 3 quarters
Browns - remember when some (foolishly) thought they could win their division?
Top 5 MVP Contenders
1. Patrick Mahomes - the runaway winner at this point
2. Aaron Rodgers - will need some help from his teammates to make the playoffs in an NFC which is finally looking strong
3. Todd Gurley - putting together an historic season
4. Drew Brees - money no matter where he plays
5. Philip Rivers - continues to play extremely well and make use of all of his weapons
What a perfect spot to land for him to thrive. I think waiting a year to start and learning the system helped as well. He's killing it in KC.
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I'm definitely on the Mahomes bandwagon. Like Kev, I've seen things that make me think he's the real deal. I wouldn't put him in MVP consideration, though, simply because it's not all him. Hunt and Hill are huge weapons, and Kelce and Watkins certainly help as well. You swap PM and his backup and they certainly won't be as good, but they won't suck. You take out Rodgers and what do you have in GB? Same with Rivers and Brees.
And this argument comes up every year with Kev's lists. Not a criticism of the way he does things at all. Everybody has their own ideas about MVPs. It's simply part of the conversation.
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MVP considerations really shouldn't happen until the 4th qtr of the season. I'm not sold on Mahomes until he runs the table and proves that he can do what he's doing throughout the remainder of the season and the playoffs. A lot can happen in the 2nd half of the season.
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MVP considerations really shouldn't happen until the 4th qtr of the season. I'm not sold on Mahomes until he runs the table and proves that he can do what he's doing throughout the remainder of the season and the playoffs. A lot can happen in the 2nd half of the season.
True, and if he falters, he will drop. But for now, I can't put anyone above, or even close to, him.
I'm definitely on the Mahomes bandwagon. Like Kev, I've seen things that make me think he's the real deal. I wouldn't put him in MVP consideration, though, simply because it's not all him. Hunt and Hill are huge weapons, and Kelce and Watkins certainly help as well. You swap PM and his backup and they certainly won't be as good, but they won't suck. You take out Rodgers and what do you have in GB? Same with Rivers and Brees.
And this argument comes up every year with Kev's lists. Not a criticism of the way he does things at all. Everybody has their own ideas about MVPs. It's simply part of the conversation.
True, other QB's are arguably doing a little less with a lot less (to varying degrees), and he certainly benefits by having an offensive wiz as a head coach. As I have said, my power rankings and MVP lists aren't meant to be any sort of definitive thing, but a way to generate chatter. :)
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I'm definitely on the Mahomes bandwagon. Like Kev, I've seen things that make me think he's the real deal. I wouldn't put him in MVP consideration, though, simply because it's not all him. Hunt and Hill are huge weapons, and Kelce and Watkins certainly help as well. You swap PM and his backup and they certainly won't be as good, but they won't suck. You take out Rodgers and what do you have in GB? Same with Rivers and Brees.
And this argument comes up every year with Kev's lists. Not a criticism of the way he does things at all. Everybody has their own ideas about MVPs. It's simply part of the conversation.
Whether or not I'm on the bandwagon or not is immaterial (for the record, I'm not; he needs to go around the league at least twice before we anoint him) but the point about it "not being all him" is I think relevant, and I would expand that to Reid. If "fast starts" was a thing, Andy Reid would be in the NFL Hall of Fame. If "flame outs in the last half of the season/first round of the playoffs" was a thing, Andy Reid would also be in the NFL Hall of Fame. I'm not at all suggesting that a rookie cannot win the MVP - that's ludicrous - but I do think that as you pack on the factors here - rookie, once through the league, Andy Reid, his weapons - it's kind of premature.
Hell, I've been VERY critical of him in the past (and still am) but I'm more likely to give this - at this point - to Philip Rivers than Patrick Mahomes.
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I thought that the Jaguars would slap the Eagles today considering that they should have the London routine down pat....but it turns out that a few players got in trouble last night. Given that, and the recent on field struggles of the team, I'm flipping my pick for the Eagles to win and hit the bye 4-4
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That team won it's Superbowl beating the Pats in week 2.
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Man, Tyreek Hill is just plain scary.
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It won't show up via the Colts record....but Andrew Luck is back to playing at an elite level.
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It won't show up via the Colts record....but Andrew Luck is back to playing at an elite level.
It's too bad that franchise hurt his career in many ways.
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Lol at that douche on the Packers. What a choke job.
Oh my goodness, Gurley probably cost me a fantasy win by passing up that TD. :facepalm:
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Gurley is not only an incredible player, but a really smart one. He's on my big money team and I wasn't even annoyed by that play at the end, which was the smart football play.
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The end of the AZ/SF game got me thinking about the rules. Seven seconds left, SF has one timeout and needs a FG to tie, and from their position it would be a 63 yarder. The plan is to throw a quick slant and knock 5-8 yards off of that FG. Of course it relies on the receiver going down immediately. What happens if nobody on the defense touches him down? If he takes a knee is that no longer a requirement? Is there a delay between taking the knee and the whistle, as there seems to be on most kickoffs?
Sadly, I didn't actually get to see how it plays out because the snap sailed 20 yards behind Beathard. :lol
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I think the refs will almost always blow it dead if the player goes to a knee and gives himself up.
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But SHOULD they blow it? I know a coach cannot call a time out while the ball is live; I don't know if that extends to a player. I think the only way the refs blow the whistle when the player gives themselves up is when they slide feet first. I think if the player just goes down, they don't blow the whistle.
By the way, picks... I suck. I gambled on Jacksonville, but I never heard about the players in trouble, and I gambled on the Giants and took it in the shorts on that one. MF-er.
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I think "taking a knee" only works for the QB. And I believe it is written that way...both for situations where you take a knee at the end of of a game, and the "QB slide", which IIRC is the only exception to the "you have to be touched to be down" rule. When a QB slides, he's down whether he's touched or not.
EDIT - Which BTW, I think is dumb. I get that everyone wants to protect the QB....but QB intimidation has been a major factor in the game from its inception and I feel like that angle is being removed entirely.
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According to the rule book he can give himself up be he has to slide feet first. Taking a knee only applies to a quarterback behind the LoS. If Rosen hits the receiver in stride he can easily slide. If the receiver has to come back or something I'm not sure how you pull of that slide thing. Thinking about quarterbacks, I don't think a head first slide makes you down. My hunch is that the refs recognize the spirit of the whole thing and whistle you down, but I wouldn't be surprised if it takes them a second or two, which AZ didn't have.
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It's the same as a clinching INT. A smart defensive player intentionally falls to the ground to end the play. Of course, they don't care if the clock keeps running, but it stops with the change of possession.
An offensive receiver catches the ball, falls to the ground, and instantly calls time out. Or....a QB or coach can tell an official ahead of time, and the officials will call the timeout. All of this done without going OB or being touched.
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Echoing the sentiments regarding Gurley playing situational football versus getting one more touchdown! Good for him. And I'm sure no one who has him in fantasy football is upset about one TD... dude has been a stud all season.
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It's the same as a clinching INT. A smart defensive player intentionally falls to the ground to end the play. Of course, they don't care if the clock keeps running, but it stops with the change of possession.
An offensive receiver catches the ball, falls to the ground, and instantly calls time out. Or....a QB or coach can tell an official ahead of time, and the officials will call the timeout. All of this done without going OB or being touched.
Yeah, but it's not that easy. As said above, it's not up for debate that a coach CANNOT call a time out when there is a live ball. So if the coach tells the official ahead of time, it doesn't answer the question here, because the official is NOT going to call that time out until the play is dead. That's not to say that it will assume the ball dead at the earliest possible opportunity. In your first sentence of the second paragraph, if the receiver is not touched, I don't think he will get that timeout (that's the scenario that el Barto was positing to start with, I believe).
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Section 2, Article 1 (d) https://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/10_Rule7_BallInPlay_DeadBall_Scrimm.pdf
So, rather than falling, if a runner or receiver slides.....
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But SHOULD they blow it? I know a coach cannot call a time out while the ball is live; I don't know if that extends to a player. I think the only way the refs blow the whistle when the player gives themselves up is when they slide feet first. I think if the player just goes down, they don't blow the whistle.
Yes. Any player in possession of the ball -- QB or not, and regardless of whether the player is behind or beyond the LoS -- can end the play by falling to the ground or kneeling or sliding feet first.
Rule 7, section 2, article 1: "An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended: . . . (d) when a runner declares himself down by: (1) falling to the ground, or kneeling, and clearly making no immediate effort to advance [or] (2) sliding feet-first on the ground. When a runner slides feet-first, the ball is dead the instant he touches the ground with anything other than his hands or feet." https://operations.nfl.com/media/3277/2018-nfl-rulebook_final-version.pdf
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But SHOULD they blow it? I know a coach cannot call a time out while the ball is live; I don't know if that extends to a player. I think the only way the refs blow the whistle when the player gives themselves up is when they slide feet first. I think if the player just goes down, they don't blow the whistle.
Yes. Any player in possession of the ball -- QB or not, and regardless of whether the player is behind or beyond the LoS -- can end the play by falling to the ground or kneeling or sliding feet first.
Rule 7, section 2, article 1: "An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended: . . . (d) when a runner declares himself down by: (1) falling to the ground, or kneeling, and clearly making no immediate effort to advance [or] (2) sliding feet-first on the ground. When a runner slides feet-first, the ball is dead the instant he touches the ground with anything other than his hands or feet." https://operations.nfl.com/media/3277/2018-nfl-rulebook_final-version.pdf
That must be a new revision for 2018. The rulebook Dragon Attack and I both found worded it very differently.
Section 2, article 1:
(c) when a quarterback immediately drops to his knee (or simulates dropping to his knee) behind the line
of scrimmage; or
(d) when a runner declares himself down by sliding feet first on the ground. The ball is dead the instant
the runner touches the ground with anything other than his hands or his feet; or
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That must be a new revision for 2018. The rulebook Dragon Attack and I both found worded it very differently.
I don't know how new the current version of the rule is, but the rule book for which DragonAttack posted a link is from 2011 -- quite outdated.
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That must be a new revision for 2018. The rulebook Dragon Attack and I both found worded it very differently.
I don't know how new the current version of the rule is, but the rule book for which DragonAttack posted a link is from 2011 -- quite outdated.
It was 2018. I used the same one DA used, but I never saw a date on it.
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NFL to play 4 regular season games in London, up from 3, which they've done the past few years.
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Wow, as if things couldn't be worse for the Giants. The heat to bench Eli is super hot in favor of just seeing what this rookie has and this happens :lol
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/giants-backup-qb-kyle-lauletta-arrested-traffic-incident-new-jersey-171406820.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/giants-backup-qb-kyle-lauletta-arrested-traffic-incident-new-jersey-171406820.html)
I mean, nothing serious, just absolutely ridiculous.
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The Giants problems are not Eli's fault. The O-line is horrible and has been for quite some time. Put Patrick Mahomes in there and he wouldn't fair much better.
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They aren't all his fault for sure with that oline, but he is old and it shows even more behind the line. Mahomes would do better IMO, but he would still struggle.
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Wow, as if things couldn't be worse for the Giants. The heat to bench Eli is super hot in favor of just seeing what this rookie has and this happens :lol
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/giants-backup-qb-kyle-lauletta-arrested-traffic-incident-new-jersey-171406820.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/giants-backup-qb-kyle-lauletta-arrested-traffic-incident-new-jersey-171406820.html)
I mean, nothing serious, just absolutely ridiculous.
Aren't these the same people that screamed bloody murder when they benched him to try out Webb? :lol
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It's never one thing. Eli's recognition of the field is not what it was. His O-Line cannot protect him well at all and play calling has been poor and not getting the ball out of his hands quick enough.
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Wow, as if things couldn't be worse for the Giants. The heat to bench Eli is super hot in favor of just seeing what this rookie has and this happens :lol
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/giants-backup-qb-kyle-lauletta-arrested-traffic-incident-new-jersey-171406820.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/giants-backup-qb-kyle-lauletta-arrested-traffic-incident-new-jersey-171406820.html)
I mean, nothing serious, just absolutely ridiculous.
Aren't these the same people that screamed bloody murder when they benched him to try out Webb? :lol
oh definitely. I felt I was the only Giants fan who was cool with the benching. However, the real criticism wasn't for Webb it was because Mcagoof ended up starting Geno Smith which I think was the ultimate goof to get himself fired.
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The Broncos problems are not [all] Keenum's fault. The O-line is horrible and has been for quite some time. Put Patrick Mahomes in there and he wouldn't fair much better.
This too.
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NFL to play 4 regular season games in London, up from 3, which they've done the past few years.
Which in my humble opinion is four too many. Not because of "international"; I have no problem with that. I just think at this point it's a novelty and with the time zone a gimmick.
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NFL to play 4 regular season games in London, up from 3, which they've done the past few years.
Which in my humble opinion is four too many. Not because of "international"; I have no problem with that. I just think at this point it's a novelty and with the time zone a gimmick.
Can someone show that they are making money by building a new fan base in England from years of doing this? Is this actually working? I don't know anyone who likes it, but I also don't know anyone outside the US to share their opinion.
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Yeah, but I'd much rather wake up on Sunday morning to a game, instead of the endless pregame shows that do nothing but suck.
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NFL to play 4 regular season games in London, up from 3, which they've done the past few years.
Which in my humble opinion is four too many. Not because of "international"; I have no problem with that. I just think at this point it's a novelty and with the time zone a gimmick.
Can someone show that they are making money by building a new fan base in England from years of doing this? Is this actually working? I don't know anyone who likes it, but I also don't know anyone outside the US to share their opinion.
They might be losing some money to get their brand out there to a global market or maybe there is a demand for American football. I'd be interested to hear that myself.
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Yeah, but I'd much rather wake up on Sunday morning to a game, instead of the endless pregame shows that do nothing but suck.
I don't mind this myself, but only when it's not my team. For one, I'd rather my team not lose a home game and two, I don't want to watch my team play in the morning. It's just not enjoyable IMO but folks on the west coast have it way worse IMO so my bitching about this is not really that meaningful I guess.
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Yeah, but I'd much rather wake up on Sunday morning to a game, instead of the endless pregame shows that do nothing but suck.
I don't mind this myself, but only when it's not my team. For one, I'd rather my team not lose a home game and two, I don't want to watch my team play in the morning. It's just not enjoyable IMO but folks on the west coast have it way worse IMO so my bitching about this is not really that meaningful I guess.
What's wrong with watching your team in the morning?
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It's not nearly as enjoyable. I'm not interested in my normal football finger foods. I'm not generally as awake and into it. It's not enjoyable to watch with friends, as they are also not ready to want to hang out and have a beer in the AM. It's fine if I am laying in bed looking for something to watch, but if it's my team, I want to be invested in it. Make a couple hours be enjoyable, maybe with food or a drink or friends.
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I agree with Cram; though I will say this: I loved it when I lived in LA and the Monday night games would come on right at dinner time. I'd either go out with friends and watch or watch while I cooked dinner and chilled. Plus, in bed by 10.
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NFL to play 4 regular season games in London, up from 3, which they've done the past few years.
Which in my humble opinion is four too many. Not because of "international"; I have no problem with that. I just think at this point it's a novelty and with the time zone a gimmick.
Can someone show that they are making money by building a new fan base in England from years of doing this? Is this actually working? I don't know anyone who likes it, but I also don't know anyone outside the US to share their opinion.
It's working. For one thing they sell out just about every game over there, despite having shitty games more often than not. Also, if you watch one of the games the crowd is usually loud and rowdy. I was surprised at how loud they were last weekend. They're really into it. Also, and this is pretty telling, you see jerseys from every team over there. Even the awful ones. I bet there were some Buffalo jerseys in the stands last weekend. That tells me they're cultivating football fans, rather than just people who like to go to the games.
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NFL to play 4 regular season games in London, up from 3, which they've done the past few years.
Which in my humble opinion is four too many. Not because of "international"; I have no problem with that. I just think at this point it's a novelty and with the time zone a gimmick.
Can someone show that they are making money by building a new fan base in England from years of doing this? Is this actually working? I don't know anyone who likes it, but I also don't know anyone outside the US to share their opinion.
It's working. For one thing they sell out just about every game over there, despite having shitty games more often than not. Also, if you watch one of the games the crowd is usually loud and rowdy. I was surprised at how loud they were last weekend. They're really into it. Also, and this is pretty telling, you see jerseys from every team over there. Even the awful ones. I bet there were some Buffalo jerseys in the stands last weekend. That tells me they're cultivating football fans, rather than just people who like to go to the games.
I haven't watched an overseas game since the Giants played one a year or two ago (I forget) but I did notice the fans with other team's jersey's. I guess if it's working, it's hard to argue against, but doesn't mean I like it personally.
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It's only a matter of time until London gets a franchise. I personally like the Sunday morning games. When the Jets played a couple years ago I was ready to roll at 9am with a breakfast sandwich and a nice coffee beer :hat
I agree with Cram; though I will say this: I loved it when I lived in LA and the Monday night games would come on right at dinner time. I'd either go out with friends and watch or watch while I cooked dinner and chilled. Plus, in bed by 10.
You could try rooting for the Jets, I'm on the east coast and still ready for bed by 10 when my team has a primetime game :lol
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Yeah, but I'd much rather wake up on Sunday morning to a game, instead of the endless pregame shows that do nothing but suck.
Another reason why west coast >>> east coast. Games on Sunday start at 10:00 a.m., and the SNF game is usually done by 8:30 p.m.
It's only a matter of time until London gets a franchise.
That would never work as a practical matter. The travel would be ridiculous -- a six and a half hour flight to the closest possible opponent. As it is, the teams that play in London get their bye weeks after the overseas trip. What happens when the London team has to play a game in Los Angeles on Sunday and then has a home game on Thursday? No sane player would sign as a free agent.
Might as well put one in Hawaii and one in Alaska.
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That would never work as a practical matter.
Money in owners' pockets > Practicality
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That would never work as a practical matter. The travel would be ridiculous -- a six and a half hour flight to the closest possible opponent. As it is, the teams that play in London get their bye weeks after the overseas trip. What happens when the London team has to play a game in Los Angeles on Sunday and then has a home game on Thursday? No sane player would sign as a free agent.
Might as well put one in Hawaii and one in Alaska.
That's an interesting consideration, but I think it could be done. The league could schedule it so they alternate 2 home/2 away. The new owner of the London Wankers can work out a deal with a Midwest university and hotel group so that they base out of StL or something for their 2 week US stint. Similar thing with teams playing in the UK. Byes can be worked out, as well as TNF and MNF games to help transition. The reality is that LA-NY is about the same as NY-LON, so it's not impossible.
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It's not impossible, it makes logistics more challenging, but I feel at the end of the day, what players would really want to deal with that? Would there be an incentive for a free agent to sign with a team in London?
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It's not impossible, it makes logistics more challenging, but I feel at the end of the day, what players would really want to deal with that? Would there be an incentive for a free agent to sign with a team in London?
You mean aside from the NFL average salary of $2.1 million per year? Moreover, there are worse places to live six months a year. Tampa? Buffalo? I'd take London.
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It's not impossible, it makes logistics more challenging, but I feel at the end of the day, what players would really want to deal with that? Would there be an incentive for a free agent to sign with a team in London?
You mean aside from the NFL average salary of $2.1 million per year? Moreover, there are worse places to live six months a year. Tampa? Buffalo? I'd take London.
And deal with the travel and higher cost of living / different lifestyle vs Tampa/Buffalo? I'm not sure all of the NFL players would take the same pay for the hassle. It's similar to how in college ball any team that schedules to play at Hawaii gets an extra home game as an incentive to deal with the travel and costs. I'd think traveling from England to the US even on a once a month basis would wear on players and not make them want to play there without maybe some extra money or a reason. That's just my opinion. Maybe some players wouldn't mind the frequent time zone changes as much as I think.
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Demaryius Thomas, thank you for the OT catch against the Steelers (a moment that made me run around the bar I was in like a madman!), as well as your mostly stellar play from 2012-2015. But I am happy that your big contract and now-iffy hands are someone else's problem now.
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Pre-Week 9 Power Rankings
1. Rams - defense has yet to peak and they just added a stud pass rusher
2. Chiefs - Tyreek Hill groin injury could slow the offense down
3. Saints - remember when people thought this couldn't win on the road?
4. Patriots - hard to excited about beating the Bills, but 6-2 puts them in line to get the 1 seed again
5. Chargers - still the best team no one is talking about
6. Panthers - quietly humming along and looking very impressive
7. Steelers - this team has the 3 seed written all over them
8. Redskins - it's hard not to be skeptical that they will keep this up, but 5-2 is 5-2
9. Texans - five wins in a row cannot be ignored
10. Seahawks - those who predicted their demise forgot how great Russell Wilson is
Trending up:
Colts - Andrew Luck is looking pretty great again
Falcons - fought back to 3-4, but six of their last nine are on the road
Bengals - stopped the bleeding
Cardinals - they need more games against the 49ers
Bears - still not sure to make of this team, but they did what they were supposed to and beat up on the Jets
Trending down:
Jags - should be in line to draft a QB early next spring
Raiders - Jon Gruden LOL
Browns - Hue Jackson firing was long overdue
Ravens - they went from a real contender to mediocre fast
Dolphins - they are what we thought they were
Top 5 MVP Contenders
1. Patrick Mahomes - I have a sneaking suspicion that Tyreek Hill is the MVP of that offense, which we might find out
2. Todd Gurley - incredible player and selfless
3. Drew Brees - he doesn't have to be money for them to win, but will be when they do him
5. Philip Rivers - can he ever get the playoff monkey off his back?
5. Tyreek Hill - he scares the living daylights out of every single defense
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Hard to believe about the Jags but boy they are imploding.
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It's not impossible, it makes logistics more challenging, but I feel at the end of the day, what players would really want to deal with that? Would there be an incentive for a free agent to sign with a team in London?
You mean aside from the NFL average salary of $2.1 million per year? Moreover, there are worse places to live six months a year. Tampa? Buffalo? I'd take London.
And deal with the travel and higher cost of living / different lifestyle vs Tampa/Buffalo? I'm not sure all of the NFL players would take the same pay for the hassle. It's similar to how in college ball any team that schedules to play at Hawaii gets an extra home game as an incentive to deal with the travel and costs. I'd think traveling from England to the US even on a once a month basis would wear on players and not make them want to play there without maybe some extra money or a reason. That's just my opinion. Maybe some players wouldn't mind the frequent time zone changes as much as I think.
It would take a LOT of extra money to get most players to sign in London over just about any other NFL team. The shit show that would result when top draft picks announce that they will refuse to sign with London would be ridiculous.
Let's use the Seahawks (the current most remote NFL team) as an example. They play three of their road games every year against teams that are an average of 919 miles away. They will never play a road game that is more than 2,735 miles away (every eighth year when they have to travel to Miami), and most of their road games will be much closer than that.
By contrast, a team from London would NEVER play a road game any CLOSER than 3,275 miles away, which is over 500 miles more than any other team's FARTHEST road trip, and a London team could play road games that are nearly 5,500 miles away (about double any other team's longest road trip). I get that money is money, but if this made any sense at all, it probably would have already happened.
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Just to chime in and say that there is a massive, massive market for the NFL in England right now. The last game at Wembley Stadium on Saturday broke the attendance record for that iconic stadium, and was of such importance that they even (stupidly) let it go ahead despite Manchester City playing Tottenham ('soccer', and a monumental fixture) the following day, on a pitch that had been completely torn up and therefore all but unplayable. Viewing figures on Sky TV for the NFL are starting to overtake cricket and even some 'soccer' matches.
If there is anything Britain still knows how to do it is turn a profit from sport. The English Premier League ('soccer' again) is one of our most successful business enterprises, it eclipses the other 'big 3' leagues of Spain, Italy and France. In sport, money is what matters, and if London is seen as a place to turn a profit (and it is) then a team will come. Players will sign contracts. What else are they going to do, return to their engineering careers? Go back to playing cello for the New York Philharmonic? Time zones are irrelevant. Look what is happening with Spain's 'La Liga' now, teams are going to be playing 1 game a year in the US because of money. The NFL needs to look beyond the US if it's to have a profitable future. The market has changed. The average NFL player makes 2.1 million dollars a year? Manchester City's captain makes that in a month. American football players are on peanuts compared to what they could be making if they tapped into the British and European market.
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That's interesting to hear from the perspective on the other side of the pond. I figure they have to be doing well to expand the games over there. However, I don't think "time zones are irrelevant". West coast teams historically don't do well playing on the east coast at 1pm EST. It's tough for the body to adjust and then play such a brutal sport. That's a 3 hour difference, London is 5 hours from NYC. They could schedule around this to make it easier, but it would definitely be relevant and maybe have an impact on how teams perform when playing in London and when London would play in the US.
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West coast teams historically don't do well playing on the east coast at 1pm EST.
I believe this will be addressed in the next CBA.
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Just to chime in and say that there is a massive, massive market for the NFL in England right now. The last game at Wembley Stadium on Saturday broke the attendance record for that iconic stadium, and was of such importance that they even (stupidly) let it go ahead despite Manchester City playing Tottenham ('soccer', and a monumental fixture) the following day, on a pitch that had been completely torn up and therefore all but unplayable. Viewing figures on Sky TV for the NFL are starting to overtake cricket and even some 'soccer' matches.
If there is anything Britain still knows how to do it is turn a profit from sport. The English Premier League ('soccer' again) is one of our most successful business enterprises, it eclipses the other 'big 3' leagues of Spain, Italy and France. In sport, money is what matters, and if London is seen as a place to turn a profit (and it is) then a team will come. Players will sign contracts. What else are they going to do, return to their engineering careers? Go back to playing cello for the New York Philharmonic? Time zones are irrelevant. Look what is happening with Spain's 'La Liga' now, teams are going to be playing 1 game a year in the US because of money. The NFL needs to look beyond the US if it's to have a profitable future. The market has changed. The average NFL player makes 2.1 million dollars a year? Manchester City's captain makes that in a month. American football players are on peanuts compared to what they could be making if they tapped into the British and European market.
Enough to support a division of teams (four at least)? That's how you do it. Have a division, or even a league (four divisions) where the teams "interplay", with occasional trips to the North American continent, as opposed to having one disadvantaged team that has to do all the travel. Travel itself isn't bad; the Seahawks are a successful organization. But it has to be more balanced; having a set of teams in the UK/EU is a way of doing that.
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In an alternate universe.... Le'Veon Bell looks at the schedule and say... it's Baltimore week. Screw this I'm coming back and whipping some ass!
Different times. Different priorities.
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In an alternate universe.... Le'Veon Bell looks at the schedule and say... it's Baltimore week. Screw this I'm coming back and whipping some ass!
Different times. Different priorities.
I would say that is someone making a decision with his head instead of his heart. Besides, after the way some of the Steelers called him out, I wouldn't be in a rush to join those guys again.
Honestly, once he reports here in a few weeks (which I believe he needs to, to get credit for this as a full season, making him an unrestricted free agent next year), I won't be surprised if he decides he has an injury that prevents him from playing. "Oops, my hamstring is sore, I can't (won't) play."
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Just to chime in and say that there is a massive, massive market for the NFL in England right now. The last game at Wembley Stadium on Saturday broke the attendance record for that iconic stadium, and was of such importance that they even (stupidly) let it go ahead despite Manchester City playing Tottenham ('soccer', and a monumental fixture) the following day, on a pitch that had been completely torn up and therefore all but unplayable. Viewing figures on Sky TV for the NFL are starting to overtake cricket and even some 'soccer' matches.
If there is anything Britain still knows how to do it is turn a profit from sport. The English Premier League ('soccer' again) is one of our most successful business enterprises, it eclipses the other 'big 3' leagues of Spain, Italy and France. In sport, money is what matters, and if London is seen as a place to turn a profit (and it is) then a team will come. Players will sign contracts. What else are they going to do, return to their engineering careers? Go back to playing cello for the New York Philharmonic? Time zones are irrelevant. Look what is happening with Spain's 'La Liga' now, teams are going to be playing 1 game a year in the US because of money. The NFL needs to look beyond the US if it's to have a profitable future. The market has changed. The average NFL player makes 2.1 million dollars a year? Manchester City's captain makes that in a month. American football players are on peanuts compared to what they could be making if they tapped into the British and European market.
Enough to support a division of teams (four at least)? That's how you do it. Have a division, or even a league (four divisions) where the teams "interplay", with occasional trips to the North American continent, as opposed to having one disadvantaged team that has to do all the travel. Travel itself isn't bad; the Seahawks are a successful organization. But it has to be more balanced; having a set of teams in the UK/EU is a way of doing that.
I could see this being more of a possibility. Having a division over seas would make scheduling much better and allow for some regional rivalries to form. It would bloat the league a bit though to add 4 teams, that's the problem with that although if the euro interest is high, it would lead to the local athletes wanting to play american football instead of say soccer. I could see it though one day in the future, but I'm not confident it would actually happen.
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Here is an interesting tidbit I saw online...
Take the 4 obvious Hall of Fame quarterbacks of recent years and look at how often they have had games where they threw more interceptions than touchdown passes:
Peyton Manning -- 47 out of 265 -- 17.7% (13 of his were in his first season where he had 7 and then his last season where he had 6)
Tom Brady -- 27 out of 259 -- 10.4% (10 of his 27 were in his first three seasons)
Drew Brees -- 47 out of 255 -- 18.4% (four seasons where he had five games with more INT's than TD passes)
Aaron Rodgers -- 8 out of 149 -- 5.4% (one of which was when he threw a pick in mop-up duty in a 2005 game; he didn't become the starter until 2008)
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In an alternate universe.... Le'Veon Bell looks at the schedule and say... it's Baltimore week. Screw this I'm coming back and whipping some ass!
Different times. Different priorities.
I would say that is someone making a decision with his head instead of his heart. Besides, after the way some of the Steelers called him out, I wouldn't be in a rush to join those guys again.
Honestly, once he reports here in a few weeks (which I believe he needs to, to get credit for this as a full season, making him an unrestricted free agent next year), I won't be surprised if he decides he has an injury that prevents him from playing. "Oops, my hamstring is sore, I can't (won't) play."
Honestly, the best thing for the Steelers at this point is Bell not showing up at all this season.
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Just to chime in and say that there is a massive, massive market for the NFL in England right now. The last game at Wembley Stadium on Saturday broke the attendance record for that iconic stadium, and was of such importance that they even (stupidly) let it go ahead despite Manchester City playing Tottenham ('soccer', and a monumental fixture) the following day, on a pitch that had been completely torn up and therefore all but unplayable. Viewing figures on Sky TV for the NFL are starting to overtake cricket and even some 'soccer' matches.
If there is anything Britain still knows how to do it is turn a profit from sport. The English Premier League ('soccer' again) is one of our most successful business enterprises, it eclipses the other 'big 3' leagues of Spain, Italy and France. In sport, money is what matters, and if London is seen as a place to turn a profit (and it is) then a team will come. Players will sign contracts. What else are they going to do, return to their engineering careers? Go back to playing cello for the New York Philharmonic? Time zones are irrelevant. Look what is happening with Spain's 'La Liga' now, teams are going to be playing 1 game a year in the US because of money. The NFL needs to look beyond the US if it's to have a profitable future. The market has changed. The average NFL player makes 2.1 million dollars a year? Manchester City's captain makes that in a month. American football players are on peanuts compared to what they could be making if they tapped into the British and European market.
Enough to support a division of teams (four at least)? That's how you do it. Have a division, or even a league (four divisions) where the teams "interplay", with occasional trips to the North American continent, as opposed to having one disadvantaged team that has to do all the travel. Travel itself isn't bad; the Seahawks are a successful organization. But it has to be more balanced; having a set of teams in the UK/EU is a way of doing that.
The most likely scenario that I've seen bandied about is a virtual home team. Each year every team from one conference plays a game over there. That allows them to sell season tickets without having a single UK team. I think it's a crappy idea, but the NFL is full of those right now.
And I still think the downsides of a UK team are a little overstated. Jet lag is a very real thing, but there are ways of coping with it, and the schedule could certainly be manipulated to mitigate it.
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Here is an interesting tidbit I saw online...
Take the 4 obvious Hall of Fame quarterbacks of recent years and look at how often they have had games where they threw more interceptions than touchdown passes:
Peyton Manning -- 47 out of 265 -- 17.7% (13 of his were in his first season where he had 7 and then his last season where he had 6)
Tom Brady -- 27 out of 259 -- 10.4% (10 of his 27 were in his first three seasons)
Drew Brees -- 47 out of 255 -- 18.4% (four seasons where he had five games with more INT's than TD passes)
Aaron Rodgers -- 8 out of 149 -- 5.4% (one of which was when he threw a pick in mop-up duty in a 2005 game; he didn't become the starter until 2008)
I've said for a while the Packers have done Rodgers a disservice. Though, he's tried to take too much on because of that and has the injury bug lately.
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If there is anything Britain still knows how to do it is turn a profit from sport. The English Premier League ('soccer' again) is one of our most successful business enterprises
That's great, but if I'm not mistaken, all of the teams in that league are located in England and Wales, which is an area of about 150,000 square miles, and the two teams in that league that are farthest from each other are located only about 323 miles from each other. Right? That's less than one tenth of the distance that a London NFL team would have to travel for its CLOSEST road game.
if London is seen as a place to turn a profit (and it is) then a team will come. Players will sign contracts. What else are they going to do, return to their engineering careers? Go back to playing cello for the New York Philharmonic?
Uh...no. Unless they're borderline players, they'll sign with one of the other 30 teams in the NFL. In other words, the marquee players aren't going to want to play in such a remote location, which means the team will be terrible. How much interest will a perennial 2-14 team maintain?
Time zones are irrelevant. Look what is happening with Spain's 'La Liga' now, teams are going to be playing 1 game a year in the US because of money.
Time zones are not irrelevant. That's why the NFL's collective bargaining agreement with its players provides that the teams that play the games in London get their bye week the following week. I have no idea what "La Liga" is, but playing one game a year in a remote geographic location is a far cry from having a single team in a remote location that plays ALL of its road games no less than 3,275 miles away.
American football players are on peanuts compared to what they could be making if they tapped into the British and European market.
That's just an absurd statement. Are you suggesting football would eclipse or rival soccer if the NFL expanded to Europe? I assume not. How much does the average cricket player make compared to the average NFL player? You're aware, are you not, that there was an "American football" league in Europe for most of the 1990s and 2000s and that that league folded after an average loss of $30 million per season?
Enough to support a division of teams (four at least)? That's how you do it. Have a division, or even a league (four divisions) where the teams "interplay", with occasional trips to the North American continent, as opposed to having one disadvantaged team that has to do all the travel. Travel itself isn't bad; the Seahawks are a successful organization. But it has to be more balanced; having a set of teams in the UK/EU is a way of doing that.
Agree. This is the only way it would work (however, as cramx3 noted, a 36+ team league would be too bloated).
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If there is anything Britain still knows how to do it is turn a profit from sport. The English Premier League ('soccer' again) is one of our most successful business enterprises
That's great, but if I'm not mistaken, all of the teams in that league are located in England and Wales, which is an area of about 150,000 square miles, and the two teams in that league that are farthest from each other are located only about 323 miles from each other. Right? That's less than one tenth of the distance that a London NFL team would have to travel for its CLOSEST road game.
if London is seen as a place to turn a profit (and it is) then a team will come. Players will sign contracts. What else are they going to do, return to their engineering careers? Go back to playing cello for the New York Philharmonic?
Uh...no. Unless they're borderline players, they'll sign with one of the other 30 teams in the NFL. In other words, the marquee players aren't going to want to play in such a remote location, which means the team will be terrible. How much interest will a perennial 2-14 team maintain?
Time zones are irrelevant. Look what is happening with Spain's 'La Liga' now, teams are going to be playing 1 game a year in the US because of money.
Time zones are not irrelevant. That's why the NFL's collective bargaining agreement with its players provides that the teams that play the games in London get their bye week the following week. I have no idea what "La Liga" is, but playing one game a year in a remote geographic location is a far cry from having a single team in a remote location that plays ALL of its road games no less than 3,275 miles away.
American football players are on peanuts compared to what they could be making if they tapped into the British and European market.
That's just an absurd statement. Are you suggesting football would eclipse or rival soccer if the NFL expanded to Europe? I assume not. How much does the average cricket player make compared to the average NFL player? You're aware, are you not, that there was an "American football" league in Europe for most of the 1990s and 2000s and that that league folded after an average loss of $30 million per season?
Enough to support a division of teams (four at least)? That's how you do it. Have a division, or even a league (four divisions) where the teams "interplay", with occasional trips to the North American continent, as opposed to having one disadvantaged team that has to do all the travel. Travel itself isn't bad; the Seahawks are a successful organization. But it has to be more balanced; having a set of teams in the UK/EU is a way of doing that.
Agree. This is the only way it would work (however, as cramx3 noted, a 36+ team league would be too bloated).
I don't vehemently disagree with much of your post - though it's mostly just one man's opinion - except for this: "the marquee players aren't going to want to play in such a remote location, which means the team will be terrible." Never discount the role of ego in the mind of an American athlete. I think if you have a player, whose agent convinces him that in LONDON - a city larger than either New York or Los Angeles, bellweathers for American athletes looking for exposure - he will be the BMOC, you WILL get a star to bite.
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I really can't see a team over there full-time for the same reasons already posted. But... I could see a Super Bowl in London at some point.
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I don't vehemently disagree with much of your post - though it's mostly just one man's opinion - except for this: "the marquee players aren't going to want to play in such a remote location, which means the team will be terrible." Never discount the role of ego in the mind of an American athlete. I think if you have a player, whose agent convinces him that in LONDON - a city larger than either New York or Los Angeles, bellweathers for American athletes looking for exposure - he will be the BMOC, you WILL get a star to bite.
A fair point, but I do think a single, geographically remote city will, in general, have a tough time attracting marquee players for that reason.
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Basement Bowl tonight. Think I'll pass... :\
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Basement Bowl tonight. Think I'll pass... :\
Yeah, but I'm very grateful to be on the winning side of that one... :lol
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Basement Bowl tonight. Think I'll pass... :\
I see what you did there.
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Is it me or is this picture from ESPN.com's home page a little.... unfortunate?
(https://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2018%2F1101%2Fr457613_2_1296x518_5-2.jpg&w=628&h=251&scale=crop&cquality=80&location=center)
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:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Raiders, welcome to rock bottom.
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Basement Bowl tonight. Think I'll pass... :\
I called it "the battle of the bottom of the bay" or the Toilet Bowl.
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LOL :lol, you know it's a boring TNF game when Joe buck is talking about baseball and Troy Aikman joins in. :rollin
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Basement Bowl tonight. Think I'll pass... :\
It's always nice to see the Commitment to Excrement on display for a national audience.
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The Raiders are a complete mystery to me this year. Especially since they were actually pretty good last year. Gruden comes in and all of a sudden they suck. I don't think you can blame it all on free agency.
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I thought the post game interview with Mullens was pretty inspiring. :'(
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The Raiders are a complete mystery to me this year. Especially since they were actually pretty good last year. Gruden comes in and all of a sudden they suck. I don't think you can blame it all on free agency.
6-10 is "pretty good"?
This is a team that won only 81 games over the prior 15 seasons. That's an average of 5.4 wins per season (approximately 1 win per season better than the Browns), and if you take out the aberration of 2016, the average drops to 4.9 wins per season. The problem (not that I consider it to be a problem ;D) is incompetent ownership and management.
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I thought the post game interview with Mullens was pretty inspiring. :'(
Yup. Jimmy who?
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Gruden was a better announcer than he is a football coach...and he wasn't that good of an announcer. :lol :lol
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Gruden was a better announcer than he is a football coach...and he wasn't that good of an announcer. :lol :lol
He FUCKING SUCKED as an announcer.
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So here it is in the 3rd quarter and the dregs of the AFC East have scored 3, 3, and 6 points :rollin
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Gruden was a better announcer than he is a football coach...and he wasn't that good of an announcer. :lol :lol
He FUCKING SUCKED as an announcer.
I'm a big Gruden fan, but he was annoying AF as an announcer. He was one of those guys that was all like "Well, that's just a all around good young man!" for every player.
Starting to be a fan of both Tony Romo and Troy Aikman as announcers. Jerry can't win Super Bowls but he sure can turn out announcers!
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I'm president of the Troy Aikman fan club, on and off the field so no argument here, man.
And Romo is an awesome color guy.
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I HATE Joe Buck and Troy Aikman as announcers. Romo on the other hand is excellent.
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There’s the gift penalty. NEVER fails.
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There’s the gift penalty. NEVER fails.
I know, right? Chung played the receiver hard but fair.
In any event, that game was not decided on penalties; that game was decided on defense and turnovers. Rodgers couldn't convert on 4th down, the Pats did. Aaron Jones didn't waste a second promenading around after his first downs, giving the "First down!" sign instead of returning to the huddle and playing football, like Cordarrelle Patterson.
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The Raiders are a complete mystery to me this year. Especially since they were actually pretty good last year. Gruden comes in and all of a sudden they suck. I don't think you can blame it all on free agency.
6-10 is "pretty good"?
Compared to 1-7 it is. :rollin
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That Rams/Saints game was something else. Gonna be hard for any game to top that one this year.
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Won't catch an argument from me :)
I'm also liking how every few years the Saints are taking down teams with long undefeated starts:
2012: Beat 8-0 Atlanta
2015: Beat 5-0 Atlanta
2018: Beat 8-0 L.A. Rams
Upon further investigation, this is also the third time the Saints have ruined a 6-0 or better start by the Rams:
1978: Beat a 7-0 Rams
2001: Beat a 6-0 Rams
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Norv Turner has been a godsend for the Panthers. Looking forward to the game with Pittsburgh Thursday night.
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Destroy them please.
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Can both teams just lose, please?
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Can both teams just lose, please?
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Can both teams just lose, please?
San Francisco and Oakland couldn't both lose, so I doubt these two teams will.
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Can both teams just lose, please?
San Francisco and Oakland couldn't both lose...
No, but their fan bases can.
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Indeed. Unfortunately.
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Pre-Week 10 Power Rankings
1. Chiefs - winning almost seems too easy for them now
2. Saints - monster win over the Rams
3. Patriots - bend but don't break defense comes up big as usual
4. Rams - their defense has been bad in every game against a good team this year, which is concerning
5. Chargers - possibly the most talented team in the AFC
6. Panthers - they could easily sneak up and steal the North and even the 1 seed
7. Steelers - are rolling now, but are they destined for another 11-win season and quick playoff ouster?
8. Texans - eked out a win thanks to some brain dead coaching by the Broncos
9. Vikings - it was really only a matter of time before they got it together
10. Redskins - not sure how much they will stay in here
Trending up:
Colts - with their schedule, they could easily get to 9-7 and maybe steal the 2nd wild card in the AFC
Falcons - I still think they dug too big a hole early on, but you never know
Bengals - losing AJ Green is big
49ers - they won a game (albeit over the hapless Raiders)
Titans - big win at Dallas coming out of the bye
Trending down:
Raiders - Jon Gruden LOL
Browns - Browns being the Browns
Ravens - John Harbaugh on the hot seat
Broncos - please lose out and get a top draft pick (and a new coach)
Jets - this team needs to hire a QB coach soon
Top 5 MVP Contenders
1. Patrick Mahomes - will he threaten Peyton's single season TD passing record?
2. Drew Brees - playing the best out of all of the "old" quarterbacks right now
3. Todd Gurley - on a record-setting TD pace
5. Philip Rivers - he is playing fantastic
5. Adam Thielen - considering what he is doing this year, he needed a mention
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I think it's a mistake to have Brees second to Mahomes. Brees doesn't have the weapons that Mahomes does, and we haven't gotten to the Chiefs late season fade yet.
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Pre-Week 10 Power Rankings
6. Panthers - they could easily sneak up and steal the North
That would be a pretty good trick. Splent would be SO PISSED.
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:rollin
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Pre-Week 10 Power Rankings
6. Panthers - they could easily sneak up and steal the North
That would be a pretty good trick. Splent would be SO PISSED.
:rollin :rollin
but his ensuing rant on FB would be glorious
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Indeed
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Dez dropped it. And by "it" I mean his signature on a one year deal with the 7-1 Saints.
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I sent him a meme after the game Sunday night. :lol
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I'm sure the Saints offense will figure out how to get Dez the ball but yeah, catching it is another story.
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Just saw that for Ben’s last 16 games, it’s 5,218 yards 39 td’s only 13 picks. Playing very well but under the radar. Needs to keep that pace going because Saints, Chargers, and Patriots are still on the schedule.
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The Saints will probably use Dez the way the Patriots use C. Patterson: a specialty player that they know can only do a few things and will only use him in those ways. Dez is a poor route runner and would probably get lost on those plays where the Saints do a lot of motion to get someone open, but he should be able to make a few plays on a game with they spread it out and he can run a fly pattern or a quick slant where he can catch it and run.
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He also makes a good decoy to draw defenders away from better route runners. The problem in Dallas was, he doesn't like the decoy role because he wants the ball all the time. He's better in red zone situations when the ball is thrown high towards the back of the endzone.
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I don't like the Dez pickup on it's face. They are HOT, they are on a roll, why disrupt the apple cart? Is he a game-changer at this point? Unless it's somehow a message to that dude that planted the cellphone in the endzone...
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I don't like the Dez pickup on it's face. They are HOT, they are on a roll, why disrupt the apple cart? Is he a game-changer at this point? Unless it's somehow a message to that dude that planted the cellphone in the endzone...
They are thin at the position. His signing came at the same time Cam Meredith went on IR.
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The Patriots play in Nashville Sunday. Do the Titans have a realistic chance to beat them?
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Steel Panther was just on the Thursday night pre game show. Good stuff.
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I don't like the Dez pickup on it's face. They are HOT, they are on a roll, why disrupt the apple cart? Is he a game-changer at this point? Unless it's somehow a message to that dude that planted the cellphone in the endzone...
Definitely not that. Michael Thomas is revered as a god in this town and he's only another year or two from the braindead sports media waking up from the coma they've been in sleeping on him and realizing that Julio and Antonio are the only better receivers than him in the league and he might be even money with them by then. Obviously not by body of work, but just judging all three of them at their current (as in current in 2020) skill and production levels.
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This is one of the best games I’ve seen the Steelers play.
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Seems like the Steelers always have a game like this every year, where they annihilate the crap out of a good team on national TV (Titans last year, Chiefs the year before). One thing is clear: their offense doesn't miss or need Le'Veon Bell.
Oh, and that pick-6 Cam threw in the first quarter was Dilfer-esque.
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Oh, and that pick-6 Cam threw in the first quarter was Dilfer-esque.
If you keep making statements like this Stads is going to propose marriage!!! :lol
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Wow, what an ass-whipping we took last night. I think the Steelers just scored again.
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Seems like the Steelers always have a game like this every year, where they annihilate the crap out of a good team on national TV (Titans last year, Chiefs the year before). One thing is clear: their offense doesn't miss or need Le'Veon Bell.
Connor left the game early, so as long as he's not hurt - I agree. The best thing for the Steelers at this point would be for Bell to never play as a Steeler again. He's (Bell) has pushed this too far, the team is clicking, Connor is surprisingly good, bringing Bell in and making him the starter makes no sense.
That said - I can totally see Tomlin doing exactly that :lol
Oh also, did they say on the broadcast last night that Ben threw more TDs than incompletions? That's crazy.
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Yeah, he did. 5 TDs, 3 incomplete passes.
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Hef, you had to be like the goal in Slapshot in your chair last night. Shell shocked. I never expected that.
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Yeah, he did. 5 TDs, 3 incomplete passes.
Huh, that's pretty cool. Good stuff from Ben.
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Now will they finally slap Jacksonville? They seem ripe for the picking.
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Oh no, I missed another boring TNF game. Did Cam cry in the press conference? :'(
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Pre-Week 10 Power Rankings...
I don't think ANY football fan who has been paying attention can take any power rankings that does not include the 49ers in the top 10 seriously. What a joke. I'll make sure to refer back to this failure of a ranking after week 17 when the 49ers have won out and taken the NFC west.
:rollin Okay, but seriously...
Man, the Steelers looked like SUCH a complete, dominant force last night. I have not really been following, but if they have been playing this consistently good this season, they are a force to be reckoned with. Seems like the Steelers always have a game like this every year, where they annihilate the crap out of a good team on national TV (Titans last year, Chiefs the year before). One thing is clear: their offense doesn't miss or need Le'Veon Bell.
Oh, and that pick-6 Cam threw in the first quarter was Dilfer-esque.
Yes to all of that.
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And Dez might be done for the year
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The Steelers will still be unpredictable. They usually are throughout the course any given season.
This just in...Dez Bryant is the Saints Achilles heel. :lol
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Connor left the game early, so as long as he's not hurt - I agree. The best thing for the Steelers at this point would be for Bell to never play as a Steeler again. He's (Bell) has pushed this too far, the team is clicking, Connor is surprisingly good, bringing Bell in and making him the starter makes no sense.
There are now reports that Bell will not report at all to the Steelers this year. That is the best thing for the team, honestly. With the way the offense is rolling, they don't need Bell to come in with his drama and mess things up.
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I'm cool with the loss of Bryant since the Saints are still an absolute force without him. I would've liked to have gotten to see what he could've added to our offense but every Saints fan also had at least about 5-10% worrying in the back of their minds about the potential for him to throw off team chemistry. The front office did the right thing signing him for $600k so it was basically as low risk as humanly possible since I think that's either the league minimum for someone as tenured as him or very close to it.
I assume he's probably gone the second he becomes a free agent anyway so this was more than likely a one-year loaner that just ended prematurely.
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Todd Bowles can’t survive this week. I’ve been a defender of his since the beginning of his stint with the Jets because they’ve been rebuilding but you still have to field a competitive team, and this group of guys simply isn’t playing hard for him.
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Marcus Mariota has 5 TD's all year. Today he had 2 in the 1st quarter. This Pats D gives me ulcers.
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Todd Bowles can’t survive this week. I’ve been a defender of his since the beginning of his stint with the Jets because they’ve been rebuilding but you still have to field a competitive team, and this group of guys simply isn’t playing hard for him.
It's too bad. Seemed like they had themselves a coach in the beginning.
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Todd Bowles can’t survive this week. I’ve been a defender of his since the beginning of his stint with the Jets because they’ve been rebuilding but you still have to field a competitive team, and this group of guys simply isn’t playing hard for him.
It's too bad. Seemed like they had themselves a coach in the beginning.
That’s how it goes with the Jets. It happened with Rex, Mangini, and Herm as well. A year or two of moderate success in the beginning followed by several years of mediocrity and excuses.
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I don't think it's the coach. I like him. Player personal.
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I'm cool with the loss of Bryant since the Saints are still an absolute force without him. I would've liked to have gotten to see what he could've added to our offense but every Saints fan also had at least about 5-10% worrying in the back of their minds about the potential for him to throw off team chemistry. The front office did the right thing signing him for $600k so it was basically as low risk as humanly possible since I think that's either the league minimum for someone as tenured as him or very close to it.
I assume he's probably gone the second he becomes a free agent anyway so this was more than likely a one-year loaner that just ended prematurely.
The Saints look completely unstoppable. Looking forward to their Steelers matchup, should be a fun shootout.
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Indeed. I never thought I'd see the day where any Saints offense would look more stout than the 2011 unit but, damn, these guys have done it. Gotta love having back to back seasons with winning streaks of at least 8 games.
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Brady...run much? :facepalm: :lol
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Whole team...play much? :facepalm: :lol
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Marcus Mariota has 5 TD's all year. Today he had 2 in the 1st quarter. This Pats D gives me ulcers.
The same D that held Rodgers to 17 points last week?
I would think the clear slippage of Tom Brady would be giving you ulcers. He is still really good, but is clearly on the decline.
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His throws were way off today.
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I think I know more than you about our local team Kev. Every year the team wins championships it's about balance. You'll get the occasional team winning it once with an unbalanced team.
I figured you'd know what championship fans set as standards.
Come at me brah! :lol
Though it really is true.
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Marcus Mariota has 5 TD's all year. Today he had 2 in the 1st quarter. This Pats D gives me ulcers.
The same D that held Rodgers to 17 points last week?
I would think the clear slippage of Tom Brady would be giving you ulcers. He is still really good, but is clearly on the decline.
I haven't really seen that. What I saw today was 12 playing terrified as there was no protection around him. Being in his face every play has always been the key to beating Brady, even when he was in his prime. That's what we saw today. His suckiness was a result of Tenn's front seven, which includes shutting down the NE run game.
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I've seen that all the time. Put pressure on any QB and their play drops. When your D is that bad you have to play perfect and Brady was far from that but the rest of the O was worse.
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NFL fans want to look at the off season turmoil at the be all, end all. Brady not being there for all of the OTA's hurt him. Not at the level at the GM'S off season and the lost of trust after the SB
This D is so bad that no one person should overcome it. Ask Peyton. The one year the Colts won he was average and the D was stellar. Every other year he was stellar, they didn't win.
Why was that?
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I will ask again: the same D that held Rodgers to 17 points last week?
Coming into this week, New England was 11th in the NFL in points allowed per game. But apparently that is too much to ask the (alleged) GOAT to overcome? Peyton Manning would have loved for some of those "bad" defenses in Indy to have ranked 11th in the NFL in points allowed.
Also, Brady's slippage is apparent if you watch him play this year. He doesn't look the same. His numbers are way down (TDs, YPA, QBR, etc.), and the eye test tells the tale as well. He has 1 TD pass in the last three games (and that was a fluke, as he overthrew Edelman and lucked out when it went right to Josh Gordon).
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Every dog has it's day. It's also at home where bad defenses play better and Green Bay is not a great team.
The D of the Pats will not allow them to get to the AFC championship game.
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So Tell me where Peyton carried a team to a SB. Tell me Kev? Don't tell me the 2 he won. We know both was not about him.
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Why are you changing the subject? ???
This is about Brady and the Patriots D.
The Patriots D was 11th coming into this week in points allowed per game (better than the 3 other real contenders in the AFC - KC, Pittsburgh and the Chargers). Their D is not great, but their "bend but don't break" philosophy works as long as the offense holds up their end of the bargain.
Do you think Brady is still playing as good as he ever has?
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In other news, the Rams D tried like hell to give that game away at the end, but held on. For as much talent as they have on D, they sure are underachieving. The offense has bailed them out most weeks thus far, but they are playing with fire.
The Saints look like THE team to beat right now in the entire league.
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No but the D is worse than the #'s. You well know #'s don't tell the truth. I think I know more about the Pats than other teams.
You think I'm being a homer? You know me better. Brady playing sub par leads to 7-3. 9-1 would say the D is better. We here in N.E. have different standards for obvious reasons.
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Their D was so bad today, Joe, that I almost drew up a play for you and I.
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Lol. Brady gets them to 7-3. Winning Superbowls takes a team effort.
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I never said you were a homer, but I have seen enough online chatter over the years to know that Patriots fans have been conditioned to defend Brady to the death, while always blaming almost any failure on Belichick and/or the defense, and last year's Super Bowl only made it worse.
Do you think Brady is still consistently playing at an elite level?
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I answered you all ready. No. But like other elite players, their play is affected by bad play around them.
Every fan thinks great players never fail but they fail all the time.
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Speaking of fail, the 2018 Philadelphia Eagles. I predicted they would have a Super Bowl hangover, as they seemed too fat and sassy all off season, but this is a much severe drop that even I thought there'd be. Their defense looks pathetic and Wentz doesn't look like the stud he was in 2017. Makes you wonder how much they miss the assistant coaches they lost.
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Right now, 3 teams look like the teams to beat. Rams, Saints & KC. KC at home for the AFC Championship game. First time they'll have that in a long, long time.
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Speaking of fail, the 2018 Philadelphia Eagles. I predicted they would have a Super Bowl hangover, as they seemed too fat and sassy all off season, but this is a much severe drop that even I thought there'd be. Their defense looks pathetic and Wentz doesn't look like the stud he was in 2017. Makes you wonder how much they miss the assistant coaches they lost.
Boy, no kidding. The Eagles have been my biggest surprise of the year.
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All that bragging and having "fun" was too much I guess.
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I lived in Philly, I love Philly and almost everything about the City.
Except the Eagles.
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Understandable.
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KC still does not have a defense I trust. Not that the Patriots or Steelers have defenses that I trust a lot either, but the Chiefs is the worst of the bunch. And it remains to be seen how well that offense will do in the elements in January. Heck, they still need to win their division. The overlooked Chargers look as good as anybody in the AFC and are only a game behind the Chiefs in the loss column.
If the Saints and Rams secure the 1 and 2 seeds in the NFC, which seems like a good bet, neither will have to play in the elements in January.
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KC still does not have a defense I trust. Not that the Patriots or Steelers have defenses that I trust a lot either, but the Chiefs is the worst of the bunch. And it remains to be seen how well that offense will do in the elements in January. Heck, they still need to win their division. The overlooked Chargers look as good as anybody in the AFC and are only a game behind the Chiefs in the loss column.
If the Saints and Rams secure the 1 and 2 seeds in the NFC, which seems like a good bet, neither will have to play in the elements in January.
Home field for KC is big though. They will have to lose 2 and the Pats run the table to lose the #1. Pats still have the Vikings in MN and the Steelers at home. The rest are easy games.
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Actually, the Chiefs could win the rest of their games except one and still not win the division. If they lose to the Chargers and the Chargers win out, both would be 14-2 and the Chargers would have the tiebreaker (better conference record) and win the division. Seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened.
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Yup but I just don't look at the Chargers that way. I could be so wrong and swayed by their past history.
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I think the Eagles are a prime example of why we shouldn't be assuming too much about the Chiefs at this point.
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^Yeah, and I wouldn't assume too much about the Saints or Rams either, as good as they are. Still a long way to go.
It was cool to see Eli get his 36th 4th qtr comeback win last night. Good stuff against the Niners. :tup
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Actually, the Chiefs could win the rest of their games except one and still not win the division. If they lose to the Chargers and the Chargers win out, both would be 14-2 and the Chargers would have the tiebreaker (better conference record) and win the division. Seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened.
Not likely, but I hope the Chiefs find a way to lose the rest of their games and miss the playoffs entirely.
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It was cool to see Eli get his 36th 4th qtr comeback win last night.
It's gonna be so gross when voters stick their heads up their asses and vote him into the Hall of Fame.
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Starting to get really anxious about this Azteca stadium field condition debacle. We've planned this game/trip all season. Sure hope it doesn't have to be moved or postponed. We've already spent well over a grand on air, hotel, and game tix.
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Starting to get really anxious about this Azteca stadium field condition debacle. We've planned this game/trip all season. Sure hope it doesn't have to be moved or postponed. We've already spent well over a grand on air, hotel, and game tix.
Where ya staying? I just committed to going back to DF next year. I've always done pretty well with AirBNB down there.
And if you're near Bellas Artes/Zocallo grab breakfast at el Cardenal. Very nice experience.
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WELP... staying nowhere now. We're sick to our fucking stomachs right now. We were looking forward to this game since it was announced.
We were staying at an Air B'n'B' in Polanco. The wifes on the site now trying to cancel. Airlines already told us were fucked, but pretty much knew that.
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Sorry to hear that. Do you have plans to just go anyway and have a mini-vacation?
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Sorry to hear that. Do you have plans to just go anyway and have a mini-vacation?
No, my limited Vac time at work is too valuable and honestly for me, I would probably never go to Mex City if not for something like the game or big event. We're more tropical peeps...with water :)
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That really sucks. I'm surprised they couldn't just re-sod the thing. The NFL is generally pretty good about these sorts of things.
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Yeah, that's brutal for fans like Crimson... :sadpanda:
My family and I travel to Denver frequently to see the Broncos play and usually buy our tickets within a week of the schedule being released. We usually go in September or October, and 2 of the last 4 times we've gone, there was a really nasty storm in NJ the weekend we flew out in 2015 and this year Hurricane Florence was the same weekend that we flew out to Denver (which ultimately did not affect NJ, as some had originally anticipated). I can definitely relate to the nervous/anxious feeling of potentially missing out on a trip you've been looking forward to all year due to unexpected weather.
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The field in Mexico City certainly looks better than Lambeau Field did for the '65 NFL title game
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ekIBqs4qiYo/UmH6YI2PuuI/AAAAAAAASJM/MrgcB3bLTCY/s1600/1965+title+game.jpg)
along with
https://gridironuniforms.forumotion.com/t540-mud-games
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The field in Mexico City certainly looks better than Lambeau Field did for the '65 NFL title game
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ekIBqs4qiYo/UmH6YI2PuuI/AAAAAAAASJM/MrgcB3bLTCY/s1600/1965+title+game.jpg)
along with
https://gridironuniforms.forumotion.com/t540-mud-games
Maybe, but one could say that any field that has the Browns on it looks like shit...
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^^ :rollin
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The field in Mexico City certainly looks better than Lambeau Field did for the '65 NFL title game
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ekIBqs4qiYo/UmH6YI2PuuI/AAAAAAAASJM/MrgcB3bLTCY/s1600/1965+title+game.jpg)
along with
https://gridironuniforms.forumotion.com/t540-mud-games
That's football, right there.
Can't be 100% sure, but it looks like the Packer on the ground in the lower right (with No. 80's hand on his back) is number 76; if so, he and my dad were friends in high school.
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Did one of our forum members make the news?
https://www.cleveland.com/nation/2018/11/new-york-jets-fan-blames-drunken-driving-arrest-on-lousy-team.html
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That really sucks. I'm surprised they couldn't just re-sod the thing. The NFL is generally pretty good about these sorts of things.
Agreed, in fact that's what I assumed they would do after these stories came out about the field condition. I'm surprised the solution was to just move the game to LA.
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The field in Mexico City certainly looks better than Lambeau Field did for the '65 NFL title game
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ekIBqs4qiYo/UmH6YI2PuuI/AAAAAAAASJM/MrgcB3bLTCY/s1600/1965+title+game.jpg)
along with
https://gridironuniforms.forumotion.com/t540-mud-games
That's football, right there.
Can't be 100% sure, but it looks like the Packer on the ground in the lower right (with No. 80's hand on his back) is number 76; if so, he and my dad were friends in high school.
Bob Skoronski?
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Yessir.
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Yessir.
to be clear, I've never heard of him, just did a quick google search to see who it was.
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That really sucks. I'm surprised they couldn't just re-sod the thing. The NFL is generally pretty good about these sorts of things.
Agreed, in fact that's what I assumed they would do after these stories came out about the field condition. I'm surprised the solution was to just move the game to LA.
By the time they moved the game yesterday the field was already far better than the early pictures suggested. By MNF it would have been a better surface than Oakland, and maybe Washington, and games don't get pulled from there. I think the league caved to the NFLPA, which is both surprising and sad.
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That really sucks. I'm surprised they couldn't just re-sod the thing. The NFL is generally pretty good about these sorts of things.
Agreed, in fact that's what I assumed they would do after these stories came out about the field condition. I'm surprised the solution was to just move the game to LA.
By the time they moved the game yesterday the field was already far better than the early pictures suggested. By MNF it would have been a better surface than Oakland, and maybe Washington, and games don't get pulled from there. I think the league caved to the NFLPA, which is both surprising and sad.
Yup and yup.
On another note - I forgot to post my happiness that 4 o clock came and went yesterday without Mr. Bell reporting. Thank everything holy.
Good luck to the foolish GM that gives that guy a long term deal. I think he wants the big guarantee up front because he legit doesn't want to play football anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if he only plays a couple more years until he can transition into being a horribly, awful rapper. It's also important to note that Connor is showing a lot of Bell's success may have had more to do with the Steelers O line and their significant passing threats than people originally thought.
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On another note - I forgot to post my happiness that 4 o clock came and went yesterday without Mr. Bell reporting. Thank everything holy.
Good luck to the foolish GM that gives that guy a long term deal. I think he wants the big guarantee up front because he legit doesn't want to play football anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if he only plays a couple more years until he can transition into being a horribly, awful rapper. It's also important to note that Connor is showing a lot of Bell's success may have had more to do with the Steelers O line and their significant passing threats than people originally thought.
I am SO GLAD someone suggested drafting James Conner for my fantasy team. Picked him up for basically a dollar, and he's only had like one dud game all season.
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I am SO GLAD someone suggested drafting James Conner for my fantasy team. Picked him up for basically a dollar, and he's only had like one dud game all season.
Hah, yea. Good pick up. Connor really poked a hole in Bell's whole point, which is hilarious. Supposedly, Bell is sitting out for the greater good of RBs so that they can get the money they (specifically he) deserves. Obviously, it's a passing league, so RBs are not going to get QB or WR money. Bell wanted to try to prove how important he was to change that and bring up the average of RB contracts. What happens? The Steelers show the league that guess what? If you have a good o-line and a good passing game, you can address RB pretty easily. Connor was a 3rd round pick, in his second year, and I think he makes like $750,000 against the cap. Bell was scheduled to make over $855K PER GAME this year. Yikes.
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It was cool to see Eli get his 36th 4th qtr comeback win last night.
It's gonna be so gross when voters stick their heads up their asses and vote him into the Hall of Fame.
I see what you mean. Booger was talking about that Monday night. Even though Eli has 2 rings, he's really not a HOF player overall. There have been much better players that made it in without winning a championship.
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It was cool to see Eli get his 36th 4th qtr comeback win last night.
It's gonna be so gross when voters stick their heads up their asses and vote him into the Hall of Fame.
I see what you mean. Booger was talking about that Monday night. Even though Eli has 2 rings, he's really not a HOF player overall. There have been much better players that made it in without winning a championship.
He's very borderline, I see a case for him in and out. I've always been a fan of his and as a fan, would love to see him make it, but I'm not sure really. He's been around long enough to compile stats and has two rings, but he never really was a top QB in the league or sustained the success. He's really ending on a bad note too so he's going to go out with all his success a really distant past. I dont know, I'd be happy for him to get the votes, but wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get them.
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I'd like to think I'm not biased because even though I'm a Jets fan because I'm not one who has animosity towards the Giants (anybody who beats Brady in the Super Bowl is OK with me :lol), but I don't think Eli belongs anywhere near the HoF. He mostly never really rose above average to mildly above average in the regular season (and he's had a few dreaful years) and his two Super Bowl years he had a great defense (though I know he got really hot in the playoffs for at least one of those as well). If his last name wasn't Manning and he didn't do what he did in New York then I don't think he's a serious contender anyway.
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Bill Belichick "celebrates" 3 Patriots TDs and a fumble recovery. Sure, he doesn't say much. But the look of sheer joy on his face is as clear as day.
https://youtu.be/88YQb12l0w0?t=156
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Pre-Week 11 Power Rankings
1. Saints - continue to get better week after week
2. Chiefs - seeing their offense struggle in the colder weather makes me wonder how they'll do in January
3. Rams - Kupp is a big loss, and is their defense ever gonna play up to their talent level?
4. Chargers - still the best team no one is talking about
5. Steelers - Tomlin has done a great job after that rough start
6. Patriots - still have a shot at a bye thanks to that awful division, but their issues are becoming more obvious
7. Panthers - getting clowned like by the Steelers like that was probably an anomaly, but still...
8. Texans - now we find out how good this team is, now that expectations are high again
9. Vikings - if Dalvin Cook can stay healthy, which is one big if, that would be a boost
10. Bears - Trubisky looking way better than I ever thought he would
Trending up:
Redskins - are they for real?
Titans - suddenly looking legit
Colts - Andrew Luck continues to kick ass
Packers - can Rodgers miracle this team into the postseason
Cowboys - they trend down and then up more than any team
Trending down:
Eagles - this team is officially a disaster this year
Jets - how did Todd Bowles keep his job after that?
Lions - floundering after fighting their way back to .500
Jags - shameful performance this season
Ravens - John Harbaugh could be coaching to save his job
Top 5 MVP Contenders
1. Drew Brees - should have won it in '09, should win it this year
2. Patrick Mahomes - coming back to earth a little, but still has crazy good weapons to throw to
3. Todd Gurley - his production almost seems effortless because he's just that good
4. Philip Rivers - the most underrated QB of the 21st century
5. Ben Roethlisberger - remember when some thought L Bell was who made this offense go?
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Nice job as usual. Cowherd had a segment today about how running backs (Bell) are usually over-valued. In today’s game it’s all about the QB, receivers, and O-Line.
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Good stuff, Kev. :tup
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It was cool to see Eli get his 36th 4th qtr comeback win last night.
It's gonna be so gross when voters stick their heads up their asses and vote him into the Hall of Fame.
I see what you mean. Booger was talking about that Monday night. Even though Eli has 2 rings, he's really not a HOF player overall. There have been much better players that made it in without winning a championship.
Which is important, because Booger is the sole voting body of the Hall of Fame, right? Right?
The argument doesn't work one way; Marino doesn't win anything of note, but "it's HIM, not the TEAM! He shouldn't be penalized for the TEAM!" but that doesn't work for Eli? I'll grant you that not every season, every down, has been "elite", but he changed the franchise for the better. It's a totality of the evidence. Now, I'm not saying that Eli is a lock or a shoo-in - I don't think he is - but I don't think it's a slam dunk that he's out. According to this: (https://www.realclearlife.com/sports/eli-mannings-case-for-the-hall-of-fame-is-a-complicated-one/) he's on par with two, maybe three Hall of Famers (do we doubt that Roethslisberger is in?)
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I'll just say that although he never won a Super Bowl, Marino was always thought of as one of the elite QBs in the league while he was playing. I have never really gotten that sense of Eli other than maybe a couple of years. He was always OK to pretty good.
If he hadn't won 2 Super Bowls, I doubt there would even be a conversation about him making the HOF.
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I'll just say that although he never won a Super Bowl, Marino was always thought of as one of the elite QBs in the league while he was playing. I have never really gotten that sense of Eli other than maybe a couple of years. He was always OK to pretty good.
If he hadn't won 2 Super Bowls, I doubt there would even be a conversation about him making the HOF.
Totally agree, but what is the weight of those two victories and being the super bowl mvp? I think it adds a lot personally, especially if you consider how he won those games (sure Tyree made the catch, but Eli still made the escape and throw). But it still lands him on the border just because he really never was an elite player, just consistently solid and came up big a handful of times.
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I wouldn't have a problem with Eli making it in the HOF. I think he represents the kind of demeanor every QB should have and he's a pretty damn good player too. Off the chart stats isn't everything.
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I'll just say that although he never won a Super Bowl, Marino was always thought of as one of the elite QBs in the league while he was playing. I have never really gotten that sense of Eli other than maybe a couple of years. He was always OK to pretty good.
If he hadn't won 2 Super Bowls, I doubt there would even be a conversation about him making the HOF.
Totally agree, but what is the weight of those two victories and being the super bowl mvp? I think it adds a lot personally, especially if you consider how he won those games (sure Tyree made the catch, but Eli still made the escape and throw). But it still lands him on the border just because he really never was an elite player, just consistently solid and came up big a handful of times.
But... but... isn't that sort of like saying "Well, if Bruce Dickinson didn't write all those songs and sing all those songs, and allow Steve Harris to write all those songs... he'd be a journeyman singer"? You guys are dismissing the two Super Bowl wins, but remember, they were not the favorites to even GET there in either year. Those weren't just "two lucky games"; they were, essentially, 40 "lucky" games and at that point, it's not luck.
And fair play; I'm not one for flashy stats; I'm still in the "wait until Mahomes wins something before we annoint him" category. I don't think you need to throw for 500 yards and 6 TDs to be "great". You need to figure out how to win, and sometimes that means putting your own personal stats on the back burner. Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw Kenny "The Snake" Stabler... take them all day over Dan "Yelling in the huddle at his receivers because, I don't know, that's "leadership" I guess" Marino or Warren Moon, as much as they were fun to watch.
If I understand (i.e. remember) it correctly, Kenny Stabler has the best winning percentage of any HoF QB against OTHER HoF QBs', and that to me is a meaningful stat. Step up, do what you need to do, and take home the dubya.
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I'll just say that although he never won a Super Bowl, Marino was always thought of as one of the elite QBs in the league while he was playing.
Hugh Millen is a very articulate and respected voice in the Seattle Sports Radio market, and is very big in to numbers. On more than one occasion he has stated the most baffling number he has ever seen with regards to the NFL is that Marino, throughout his NFL career, amassed 87 years rushing.
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I liked Hugh when he played for the Pats. Bad teams but he had great effort and was the only reason they won 6 games one year.
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I'll just say that although he never won a Super Bowl, Marino was always thought of as one of the elite QBs in the league while he was playing.
Hugh Millen is a very articulate and respected voice in the Seattle Sports Radio market, and is very big in to numbers. On more than one occasion he has stated the most baffling number he has ever seen with regards to the NFL is that Marino, throughout his NFL career, amassed 87 years rushing.
That's basically 20 years (or however long he played) of quarterback sneaks, I suppose.
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You guys are dismissing the two Super Bowl wins, but remember, they were not the favorites to even GET there in either year. Those weren't just "two lucky games"; they were, essentially, 40 "lucky" games and at that point, it's not luck.
I disagree. The number of games does NOT make it "not luck." They were lucky to win both of those Super Bowls. And they were also lucky to have gotten there in the first place, both times. It usually takes better than a 10-6 team to win it. And it usually takes better than a wildcard team to win it. So, yeah, it took quite a bit of luck over that stretch of games (not "40"--they won a total of 28 in that 2-season span). Not that they weren't "good" teams. They were. But probably not good enough to win it all either year without some things falling their way by chance as well.
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You guys are dismissing the two Super Bowl wins, but remember, they were not the favorites to even GET there in either year. Those weren't just "two lucky games"; they were, essentially, 40 "lucky" games and at that point, it's not luck.
I disagree. The number of games does NOT make it "not luck." They were lucky to win both of those Super Bowls. And they were also lucky to have gotten there in the first place, both times. It usually takes better than a 10-6 team to win it. And it usually takes better than a wildcard team to win it. So, yeah, it took quite a bit of luck over that stretch of games (not "40"--they won a total of 28 in that 2-season span). Not that they weren't "good" teams. They were. But probably not good enough to win it all either year without some things falling their way by chance as well.
Exactly. Eli. :)
(I'm just kidding with you.)
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BTW, Deion Sanders still believes in Eli. :rollin
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I don't understand all of the Eli talk, must be Giants thing. Dude has always been average and was lucky enough to win 2 super bowls. Now he's old. Time to move on.
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I don't understand all of the Eli talk, must be Giants thing. Dude has always been average and was lucky enough to win 2 super bowls. Now he's old. Time to move on.
His D-Lines won both of those. He put up 17 and 21 points.
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Well, not really for me (though maybe a little; I grew up in a Giants household). For me, it's more about the style of play than anything else. I think the number of quarterbacks that came in, runnin' and a-gunnin', until the second or third time through the league when they either got the shit beat out of them or the defenses caught up are as long as the list of bands Mike Portnoy plays in. I have an affinity for the scrapper, the underdog, the guy that does whatever it takes to win, personal stats be damned. That's not to say that Trent Dilfer belongs in the Hall Of Fame, or that Dan Marino does not; I just think more respect should be paid to those guys that elevate their teams or answer the bell when they need it the most.
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I just think more respect should be paid to those guys that elevate their teams or answer the bell when they need it the most.
So do I. But I thought we were talking about Eli.
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I just think more respect should be paid to those guys that elevate their teams or answer the bell when they need it the most.
So do I. But I thought we were talking about Eli.
Oh, SNAP!!! :)
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I just think more respect should be paid to those guys that elevate their teams or answer the bell when they need it the most.
So do I. But I thought we were talking about Eli.
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I liked Hugh when he played for the Pats. Bad teams but he had great effort and was the only reason they won 6 games one year.
He held the clipboard for Elway, Aikman, and Marino, so has sat in the meeting room with some HoFers. I've heard him mention that Marino rushing stat a few times, always bewildered how a QB who played more than a decade couldn't rush for the length of a football field for his entire career.
Now... carry on with the Eli/HoF discussion.
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Been discussed, but I’m glad Bell is gone. When he played it seemed to make the Steelers more conservative on offense and they scored less than when they had someone like DeAngelo Williams subbing for him. Pittsburgh/Tomlin still love that pound the rock/control the clock philosophy but that outdated 40 year old approach needs to die a horrible death. The way to win is to be aggressive and SCORE as often as possible.
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I'll just say that although he never won a Super Bowl, Marino was always thought of as one of the elite QBs in the league while he was playing.
Hugh Millen is a very articulate and respected voice in the Seattle Sports Radio market, and is very big in to numbers. On more than one occasion he has stated the most baffling number he has ever seen with regards to the NFL is that Marino, throughout his NFL career, amassed 87 years rushing.
And 107 of them came in two seasons. :lol Problem was he had 12 seasons of negative rushing yardage. Only five with positive yardage. He's also -6 yards receiving.
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Been discussed, but I’m glad Bell is gone. When he played it seemed to make the Steelers more conservative on offense and they scored less than when they had someone like DeAngelo Williams subbing for him. Pittsburgh/Tomlin still love that pound the rock/control the clock philosophy but that outdated 40 year old approach needs to die a horrible death. The way to win is to be aggressive and SCORE as often as possible.
As I've said, I'm glad he's gone too. But I will say, I think part of what you are talking about is because of the new OC this year. His play calling has been much better than Haley.
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When I think of Eli I think of what I remember someone saying on sports talk radio when there was a debate about Mattingly getting in for the baseball HOF: It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good.
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When I think of Eli I think of what I remember someone saying on sports talk radio when there was a debate about Mattingly getting in for the baseball HOF: It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good.
"Fame" is open to interpretation. Is it the Hall of Greatness? Perhaps it should be. I've heard something along the lines of "If you can't tell the story of football without that owner/coach/player, then he goes into the hall of fame. Eli's two SB wins are lore, especially the first one. He wouldn't get into a Hall of Excellence.... but he'll get into the Hall of Fame, eventually....
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Eli's two SB wins are lore
:rollin
And I can't stress this enough: :rollin
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Eli's two SB wins are lore
:rollin
And I can't stress this enough: :rollin
Laugh all you want.... but that play between him and Tyree to help NY beat the only 18-0 team in league history is one of the biggest "moments" in league history. I know full well the strength of that team was their D line, and we both know that they were very, very lucky to escape San Francisco with the Conference Championship after the 2011 season, but I think I know how voters tend to think... and the two Lombardis and that "moment" will be on their minds for sure.
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Eli's two SB wins are lore
:rollin
And I can't stress this enough: :rollin
Laugh all you want.... but that play between him and Tyree to help NY beat the only 18-0 team in league history is one of the biggest "moments" in league history. I know full well the strength of that team was their D line, and we both know that they were very, very lucky to escape San Francisco with the Conference Championship after the 2011 season, but I think I know how voters tend to think... and the two Lombardis and that "moment" will be on their minds for sure.
I showed this post to Mrs. P. She rolled her eyes and said, "He'd be a shoe-in for the Hall of Mouthbreathers."
:rollin
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When I think of Eli I think of what I remember someone saying on sports talk radio when there was a debate about Mattingly getting in for the baseball HOF: It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good.
"Fame" is open to interpretation. Is it the Hall of Greatness? Perhaps it should be. I've heard something along the lines of "If you can't tell the story of football without that owner/coach/player, then he goes into the hall of fame. Eli's two SB wins are lore, especially the first one. He wouldn't get into a Hall of Excellence.... but he'll get into the Hall of Fame, eventually....
That's a pretty good way of looking at it.
Eli was a good quarterback. At times he was able to step up under pressure and play at a exceptional level. Unfortunately you can't play an entire career of superbowl games against NE.
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I have no doubt that Eli will get voted in, but if the question is, "should he make it?", then the obvious answer is no, IMO.
While I agree that the Eli/Tyree is a big NFL moment, so was Dwight Clark's catch, dubbed "The Catch," and he is not in the Hall of Fame, so being part of an historic moment or play doesn't automatically get you in.
I think having played in NY will help Eli a lot as well.
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I have no doubt that Eli will get voted in, but if the question is, "should he make it?", then the obvious answer is no, IMO.
While I agree that the Eli/Tyree is a big NFL moment, so was Dwight Clark's catch, dubbed "The Catch," and he is not in the Hall of Fame, so being part of an historic moment or play doesn't automatically get you in.
I think having played in NY will help Eli a lot as well.
Being Archie's kid and Peyton's brother will help him more.
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Yup. All of that.
And, honestly, I don't know that the Tyree catch is nearly that much of a "moment" as, say, "The Catch." Whenever I hear it referred to, whether it is fans just talking, or commentators, or football analysts, it is usually couched in terms of what a lucky play it was, or, at best, that it was what kept Brady from a perfect season (i.e., the emphasis is on Brady rather than Eli). So I'm going to push back a bit on it being one of those iconic, defining football moments.
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The Catch was the better of the two plays in my opinion. It was a score....a game winner at that, and it got the 49ers into the Super Bowl. But the helmet catch, while in the big game itself was not a scoring play. Sure it did a lot to help the Giants win, but things still could have happened.
I believe Jim Plunkett is the only QB with 2 SB wins not to be in the Hall of fame, well other than the obvious choices who are still awaiting retirement and/or eligibility. So there is precedence for Eli not to be inducted. I'm in the camp that he shouldn't get in, but probably will, but I don't think it will be on the first ballot. I also think you have to consider who may be eligible when he is. I don't see him getting in the same year as Brady or Brees. Roethlisburger perhaps, but the voters will most assuredly put him in before Rivers (if Rivers even gets in) unless he grabs a ring or two between now and retirement.
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I can't disagree too strongly with any of that. But that is a far cry from saying his play in either super bowl is the equivalent of "lore." I strongly take issue with that.
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Eli's two SB wins are lore
:rollin
And I can't stress this enough: :rollin
Well, beating the 18-0 Pats and having one of the craziest plays in SB history isn't lore, I'm not sure what is.
https://athlonsports.com/nfl/top-50-super-bowl-moments-all-time (https://athlonsports.com/nfl/top-50-super-bowl-moments-all-time) they list at #1 super bowl moments
The second win wasn't as much lore as just a good game overall with some clutch plays, but doesn't have the "undefeated" or the "helmet catch" tied to it to make it anything other than a good super bowl game.
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26, 25, 13, 14, 34, 9, 9, 12, 8, 12, 18, 17, 12, 38
^ That's Eli's rank league wide in Quarterback Rating for every season starting with 2017 and going backwards. I know QBR isn't perfect, but this is a guy who was top 10 in the league only 3 times in 14 years and never higher than 8th.
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I can't disagree too strongly with any of that. But that is a far cry from saying his play in either super bowl is the equivalent of "lore." I strongly take issue with that.
I'm good with that. Don't know where I pulled "lore" out of, but I meant that it's a play that usually shows up on highlight reels and top moment countdowns.... things of the like. And I think voters like stuff like that, especially given the stage and opponent.
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I don't understand all of the Eli talk, must be Giants thing. Dude has always been average and was lucky enough to win 2 super bowls. Now he's old. Time to move on.
You can blame it on me. I started it, but didn't think it would go on for over a page. :lol
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I don't understand all of the Eli talk, must be Giants thing. Dude has always been average and was lucky enough to win 2 super bowls. Now he's old. Time to move on.
You can blame it on me. I started it, but didn't think it would go on for over a page. :lol
True and the giant fan in me came out, also regarldess, it is time to move on. No doubt about that.
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athlonsports.com
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Athlon is a major sports magazine, not sure why that needs to be questioned
but since the source seemed to be questioned
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2018/01/26/greatest-super-bowl-moments-all-time-ranked/1068887001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2018/01/26/greatest-super-bowl-moments-all-time-ranked/1068887001/) USA today has it #2
https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-50-great-super-bowl-moments-10-1-snap-htmlstory.html (https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-50-great-super-bowl-moments-10-1-snap-htmlstory.html) LA times has it #2
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/30/sport/super-bowl-memorable-moments-trnd/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/30/sport/super-bowl-memorable-moments-trnd/index.html) CNN top 17 most talked about, not best or anything (this list includes stuff not game related)
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but since the source seemed to be questioned
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2018/01/26/greatest-super-bowl-moments-all-time-ranked/1068887001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2018/01/26/greatest-super-bowl-moments-all-time-ranked/1068887001/) USA today has it #2
https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-50-great-super-bowl-moments-10-1-snap-htmlstory.html (https://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-50-great-super-bowl-moments-10-1-snap-htmlstory.html) LA times has it #2
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/30/sport/super-bowl-memorable-moments-trnd/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/30/sport/super-bowl-memorable-moments-trnd/index.html) CNN top 17 most talked about, not best or anything (this list includes stuff not game related)
The USA Today list looks really good. Good to see the Warner to Bruce winning TD gets some notice for once (it always seems to be forgotten because of the play at the very end).
I have no doubt that Eli will get voted in, but if the question is, "should he make it?", then the obvious answer is no, IMO.
While I agree that the Eli/Tyree is a big NFL moment, so was Dwight Clark's catch, dubbed "The Catch," and he is not in the Hall of Fame, so being part of an historic moment or play doesn't automatically get you in.
I think having played in NY will help Eli a lot as well.
Being Archie's kid and Peyton's brother will help him more.
Very true.
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Big Bears fan here, anyone else ? There's got to be some Chicago folks here that are fans.
Well, it's about time we have a team that we can get excited about, especially since we've sucked for quite a while.
Huge game this week against the Vikes during prime time. Will prove how good they really are.
Defense is solid, Mack, what a beast. Passing game is good, hopefully Trubisky continues to improve. What does worry me is the lack of any real running game. May come to bite them in an important game. But, in today's NFL do you really need one ? Especially if you can continually scheme up good, efficient passing plays to prolong drives.
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Howard and Cohen are a good 1-2 punch at RB - Howard can be the grind it out and get tough yards guy, while Cohen can be their Alvin Kamara-type back - so I wouldn't worry, especially since the Bears are 12th in the NFL in rushing yards per game. I am still not a total believer in Trubisky, but Nagy is coaching the hell out of him and showing us again how important coaching is when it comes to developing a young QB.
Surprised to see no chatter about the Thursday night game. McCarthy is getting most of the heat for his brain dead decision to punt with 4 minutes left, but Rodgers didn't play well in the 2nd half of that game. That 3rd and 2 throw (his last play of the game, as it turns out) saw him miss a wide open receiver before the questionable decision to punt. I think a coaching change in GB is not only needed, but coming.
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Well, you know how often I rail about conservative loser mentality coaching so I am totally with you on McCarthy. The relationship is broken, like it was with Haley and Big Ben and he had to threaten to retire to get Haley out. Rodgers I’m sure won’t have to go that far since hopefully the owner realizes MM needs to go.
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If I were the GM, I'd literally let Rodgers pick his own HC or pick a defensive minded coach and let Rodgers pick his OC.
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Maybe if Rodgers didn't insist that so much $$$ went into his pocket, they could invest a bit more in other positions......
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Big Ben has now thrown 8 interceptions in his last 2 1/2 games against the Jags. :eek :eek
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I didn't notice it in the replay (I was looking high, not low) but Alex Smith's injury is apparently a carbon copy of Theismond's. A fact JT pointed out within 3 minutes of the injury.
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Yeah they just can’t figure the Jags out. Unbelievable. How does Jax play so intense against the Steelers and suck against everyone else? Just a suffocating defense today.
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I didn't notice it in the replay (I was looking high, not low) but Alex Smith's injury is apparently a carbon copy of Theismond's. A fact JT pointed out within 3 minutes of the injury.
Even crazier, Theismann's injury also happened on November 18th.
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I didn't notice it in the replay (I was looking high, not low) but Alex Smith's injury is apparently a carbon copy of Theismond's. A fact JT pointed out within 3 minutes of the injury.
Yikes! See you in the broadcast booth, Alex. Please talk less than Joe.
Even crazier, Theismann's injury also happened on November 18th.
Wow!
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The Skins just got hosed with an imaginary D-holding call. It cost them 2 timeouts and 1 minute at the end of the game with two minutes left.
Moreover, D-holding shoudn't be an automatic 1st down. That's one of a few tweaks the league needs to do to restore some defense to the game.
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What a comeback. I love this team, and Ben.
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Amazing how the refs missed that Keenum's knees weren't down before he crossed the goal line with the ball. It's only right now for that blown call to be the difference in this game :facepalm:
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What a win for the Broncos!!! I know they're most likely not going anywhere, but that's the most exciting win in a long time for Denver... and a great way to end an ugly losing streak on the road against divisional opponents. :metal
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Wow, Broncos and Raiders both made game-winning kicks at almost the exact same time for almost the exact same score.
Two games today of 23-21, one 24-21, one of 23-22, one of 22-19, one 20-19, one 20-16. Crazy
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Meanwhile, the Saints just completely steamrolled the defending champs. There is always the fear that they are peaking too soon, but if they keep this up, no one will beat them in the postseason.
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Meanwhile, the Saints just completely steamrolled the defending champs. There is always the fear that they are peaking too soon, but if they keep this up, no one will beat them in the postseason.
Word. The Saints just have to play their normal game, nothing spectacular, and the Lombardi is theirs.
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I didn't notice it in the replay (I was looking high, not low) but Alex Smith's injury is apparently a carbon copy of Theismond's. A fact JT pointed out within 3 minutes of the injury.
UGH. Gruesome. I got to meet Joe once about ten years ago - nicest guy in the world - and after he left where we were I happened to notice.... he walked like a 95-year-old man. I don't think it was all that injury, but it couldn't have helped.
Bart, how'd you see that Cowboys win coming? That's a nice call.
I stuck with the Raiders for a couple of weeks of bad losses that pushed me down to, what, fourth or fifth, and the week I finally bail on them, they pull one out. WTF.
And can the Eagles be the new example (ala Pat Mahomes) to stop annointing players/teams the next Patriots/Packers after one season? I have no doubt that Wentz will be great, but it's not as easy as people think.
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Ready for tomorrows showdown! We will be doing a shortened tailgate. The Rams called me today and threw me a bone. For spending the $$ to go to the Mex city game, then not, they are offering us an opportunity and trying to make some amends. We get to go on the field for the pregame warm up 90 mins before the start of the game. Looking forward to a great day! Hoping the game lives up to the hype....which I'm thinking it will! Culminating in a Rams win!!!!!!!
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Whoa! Alex Smith’s leg! That was narly! No true fan of football ever wants to see that happen to anyone. My best wishes for his speedy recovery!
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Carbon Copy of Joe Theismann’s injury
Joe’s injury also occurred on November 18
Joe was in attendance at the Redskin’s game
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What a comeback. I love this team, and Ben.
I have no clue how Ben pulled it together after such a horrible start to somehow win that game. Crazy.
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I didn't notice it in the replay (I was looking high, not low) but Alex Smith's injury is apparently a carbon copy of Theismond's. A fact JT pointed out within 3 minutes of the injury.
UGH. Gruesome. I got to meet Joe once about ten years ago - nicest guy in the world - and after he left where we were I happened to notice.... he walked like a 95-year-old man. I don't think it was all that injury, but it couldn't have helped.
Bart, how'd you see that Cowboys win coming? That's a nice call.
I stuck with the Raiders for a couple of weeks of bad losses that pushed me down to, what, fourth or fifth, and the week I finally bail on them, they pull one out. WTF.
And can the Eagles be the new example (ala Pat Mahomes) to stop annointing players/teams the next Patriots/Packers after one season? I have no doubt that Wentz will be great, but it's not as easy as people think.
Atlanta's run D is pretty weak, and Amari Cooper has given Dallas a more rounded offense for him to work in. I was honestly expecting a much bigger game from Zeke. Moreover these teams are going in opposite directions. Lastly, Dallas has a respectable pass D.
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Ready for tomorrows showdown! We will be doing a shortened tailgate. The Rams called me today and threw me a bone. For spending the $$ to go to the Mex city game, then not, they are offering us an opportunity and trying to make some amends. We get to go on the field for the pregame warm up 90 mins before the start of the game. Looking forward to a great day! Hoping the game lives up to the hype....which I'm thinking it will! Culminating in a Rams win!!!!!!!
That's awesome. Enjoy.
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Ready for tomorrows showdown! We will be doing a shortened tailgate. The Rams called me today and threw me a bone. For spending the $$ to go to the Mex city game, then not, they are offering us an opportunity and trying to make some amends. We get to go on the field for the pregame warm up 90 mins before the start of the game. Looking forward to a great day! Hoping the game lives up to the hype....which I'm thinking it will! Culminating in a Rams win!!!!!!!
That's awesome. Enjoy.
Yea that's pretty sick and for MNF too, actually a great game on the slate tonight. Have fun, I guess it may still not make up for the expenses to go to Mexico City, but it's really nice of the franchise to do something for the fans.
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Nice win for the Bears, not the best game for Tribusky, but offense did enough. That Defense is pretty damn good at all 3 levels.
They play the Rams in a few weeks, could be a preview to a playoff game.
Too bad for Alex Smith, always been a true Pro, hoping for a quick recovery. I really thought the Eagles would pull away from the pack and take the division, certainly doesn't look like that now, what a disappointment. Cowboys winning the NFC East ?? They should,solid team with the addition of Cooper and defense playing well.
Only issue with the Saints is, are the peaking too early ? It's happened multiple times to other teams. But they are definitely the front runner in the NFC.
AFC - Chargers should have beat the Broncos, horrible mistake by Rivers. Steelers are the Steelers, can never count them out in a game. But, can they beat the Patriots in the playoffs ? Chiefs are the Chiefs, usually fading at the end of the season or in the playoffs, I'm hoping this is their year to get to the SB for the 1st time in decades.
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That injury to Alex Smith was beyond awful. Here's hoping he can recover!
I always defend Rivers as being underrated, but his decision at the end of yesterday's game was inexplicable. He basically gave the Broncos an extra 40 seconds by throwing the ball away instead of taking the 3rd down sack and letting the clock run.
The Vikings have other issues, but I wonder if they are having buyer's remorse in regards to Kirk Cousins. He looks like the NFC's version of Andy Dalton (yes, I stole that from Cowherd, who said that today :P :lol).
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So if you're Daniel Snyder how do you not consider bringing in Kaepernick? I've been a staunch defender of teams that don't want to hire him because I understand the complications you'd be saddling your team with. He's not good enough to start, and as a backup he's not worth the hassle. Yet this is a perfect opportunity for everybody. Necessity provides you cover from the naysayers, and in the middle of the season you're already adept at dodging the distractions the media will create. In the meantime, you're leading your division heading into the home stretch, and your starting QB is suddenly Colt McCoy. The available pool of backups is EJ Manuel, Kellen Clemens, Mark Sanchez, and TJ Yates. Is there really any argument that Kap isn't good enough for Washington?
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All I need is for Gurley to have an average game and I’ll win in fantasy. So the Rams have been in the red zone 3 times already and have not given the ball to him once :facepalm:
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So if you're Daniel Snyder how do you not consider bringing in Kaepernick? I've been a staunch defender of teams that don't want to hire him because I understand the complications you'd be saddling your team with. He's not good enough to start, and as a backup he's not worth the hassle. Yet this is a perfect opportunity for everybody. Necessity provides you cover from the naysayers, and in the middle of the season you're already adept at dodging the distractions the media will create. In the meantime, you're leading your division heading into the home stretch, and your starting QB is suddenly Colt McCoy. The available pool of backups is EJ Manuel, Kellen Clemens, Mark Sanchez, and TJ Yates. Is there really any argument that Kap isn't good enough for Washington?
Kap was dynamite for a couple of years. With good coaching why couldn't he be good again? But at this point, he'd bring such a sideshow with him.
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This MNF crew is so awful.
Fun game, despite very little defense. I am sure the NFL loves this, since they've made it to where it is difficult to play defense, but these games where both offenses just go up and down the field at will get tiresome after a while.
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It already has gotten tiresome.
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So if you're Daniel Snyder how do you not consider bringing in Kaepernick? I've been a staunch defender of teams that don't want to hire him because I understand the complications you'd be saddling your team with. He's not good enough to start, and as a backup he's not worth the hassle. Yet this is a perfect opportunity for everybody. Necessity provides you cover from the naysayers, and in the middle of the season you're already adept at dodging the distractions the media will create. In the meantime, you're leading your division heading into the home stretch, and your starting QB is suddenly Colt McCoy. The available pool of backups is EJ Manuel, Kellen Clemens, Mark Sanchez, and TJ Yates. Is there really any argument that Kap isn't good enough for Washington?
The NFL totally blackballed the guy... they're too worried about their ratings plummeting from all the fans that got their panties in a bunch over the whole kneeling thing. The Nike commercial got that crowd even more riled up and made it all but impossible for him to ever return to the league, in my opinion.
Anyway, I totally agree with you (and Kev) on the rule changes getting tiresome. It seems like we may have seen the last truly dominant defenses in the 2015 Broncos and 2013/2014 Seahawks. Hopefully that's not the case :sadpanda:
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Idk guys, I just read that the NFL is coming to Mexico in 2019 anyway
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Holy fuckin’ shit! This game is crazy!!!
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So if you're Daniel Snyder how do you not consider bringing in Kaepernick? I've been a staunch defender of teams that don't want to hire him because I understand the complications you'd be saddling your team with. He's not good enough to start, and as a backup he's not worth the hassle. Yet this is a perfect opportunity for everybody. Necessity provides you cover from the naysayers, and in the middle of the season you're already adept at dodging the distractions the media will create. In the meantime, you're leading your division heading into the home stretch, and your starting QB is suddenly Colt McCoy. The available pool of backups is EJ Manuel, Kellen Clemens, Mark Sanchez, and TJ Yates. Is there really any argument that Kap isn't good enough for Washington?
The NFL totally blackballed the guy... they're too worried about their ratings plummeting from all the fans that got their panties in a bunch over the whole kneeling thing. The Nike commercial got that crowd even more riled up and made it all but impossible for him to ever return to the league, in my opinion.
Initially I thought the collusion lawsuit against the league was bullshit. Teams have very good reasons to not want to deal with the guy. That's looking less and less reasonable to me as time goes by, though. It won't go anywhere; a federal judge will eventually conclude that players aren't legally people. Still, unless you're the sort of person that actually thinks Mark Sanchez is a viable option then it's hard not to see some merit in his cause.
Anyway, I totally agree with you (and Kev) on the rule changes getting tiresome. It seems like we may have seen the last truly dominant defenses in the 2015 Broncos and 2013/2014 Seahawks. Hopefully that's not the case :sadpanda:
Thankfully, in this game it's actually big plays on D that are making the difference. I don't generally want to see 48-42 games, but this one isn't bad. More often than not they are, though.
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Hill that open? Holy crap
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I think we're gonna see 21 points and 3 lead changes in the final 2 minutes.
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Holy fuckin’ shit! This game is crazy!!!
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Best game I ever saw! Major mistakes by Hill and Mahomes at the end. All they needed to was 3 points to tie. Hill sacrificed field position on that punt. Should’ve let it go.
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Best game I've ever seen!!! Holy shit!!! I'mma have a heart attack! It's gonna be hard to sleep tonight.
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I read that the 14 TDs scored by the Chiefs and Rams last night are more than the Bills have scored all season. :o
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I read that the 14 TDs scored by the Chiefs and Rams last night are more than the Bills have scored all season. :o
True. The Bills stand at 13 so far.
That game was crazy. But I think the Saints are a better team than either of these two.
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The Chiefs have averaged 45.5 pts in their two losses.
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Best game I ever saw! Major mistakes by Hill and Mahomes at the end. All they needed to was 3 points to tie. Hill sacrificed field position on that punt. Should’ve let it go.
And while I'm not ready to ring the death knell for these guys yet, this is why I'm saying hold off a little bit. Andy Reid is NOT a game tactician, and so it's fair to assume his players won't be. They lost that game, not the other way around. Those mistakes didn't surprise me one bit, and will continue.
I don't know how good the Rams really are, but I know the Chiefs started to drink their own bathwater, and it's starting to show. You play SMART FOOTBALL, not "STAR FOOTBALL" and the Chiefs, in that last three minutes, played "STAR FOOTBALL".
(Though, to be fair, there as a little of that in Sean McVay; how do you NOT run down more than 0:24 seconds with the ball at the two minute warning? That the Chiefs got the ball back is a HUGE fail for the Rams.)
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So if you're Daniel Snyder how do you not consider bringing in Kaepernick? I've been a staunch defender of teams that don't want to hire him because I understand the complications you'd be saddling your team with. He's not good enough to start, and as a backup he's not worth the hassle. Yet this is a perfect opportunity for everybody. Necessity provides you cover from the naysayers, and in the middle of the season you're already adept at dodging the distractions the media will create. In the meantime, you're leading your division heading into the home stretch, and your starting QB is suddenly Colt McCoy. The available pool of backups is EJ Manuel, Kellen Clemens, Mark Sanchez, and TJ Yates. Is there really any argument that Kap isn't good enough for Washington?
I dunno. To play devil's advocate, there's just the argument that he just isn't very good. Is he better than any of the guys you listed? I'm not so sure he is. And if the available pool of backups is 5 equally talentless guys, one of whom sued me, I'm probably finding that guy ranked #5 on that list.
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So if you're Daniel Snyder how do you not consider bringing in Kaepernick? I've been a staunch defender of teams that don't want to hire him because I understand the complications you'd be saddling your team with. He's not good enough to start, and as a backup he's not worth the hassle. Yet this is a perfect opportunity for everybody. Necessity provides you cover from the naysayers, and in the middle of the season you're already adept at dodging the distractions the media will create. In the meantime, you're leading your division heading into the home stretch, and your starting QB is suddenly Colt McCoy. The available pool of backups is EJ Manuel, Kellen Clemens, Mark Sanchez, and TJ Yates. Is there really any argument that Kap isn't good enough for Washington?
I dunno. To play devil's advocate, there's just the argument that he just isn't very good. Is he better than any of the guys you listed? I'm not so sure he is. And if the available pool of backups is 5 equally talentless guys, one of whom sued me, I'm probably finding that guy ranked #5 on that list.
Here's the other side of that: if you're Kaep, why do you come back? What do you gain? If I'm Kaep's lawyer/agent, I put out feelers to every team except for Kansas City, Los Angeles, or Tennessee, but only to support my collusion claim. If I'm Kaep, I have zero incentive to play football, at least at this point.
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I dunno. To play devil's advocate, there's just the argument that he just isn't very good. Is he better than any of the guys you listed? I'm not so sure he is. And if the available pool of backups is 5 equally talentless guys, one of whom sued me, I'm probably finding that guy ranked #5 on that list.
Kaep has the potential to be a great quarterback, though. For much of his career he was pretty bad. For a lot of it he was a real winner. Moreover, he was competitive as all fuck, and now he's got something to prove. It actually reminds me of Dog-Killer, who came back to have one phenomenal season. None of the other guys have any potential whatsoever to be more than a lower tier backup.
Here's the other side of that: if you're Kaep, why do you come back? What do you gain? If I'm Kaep's lawyer/agent, I put out feelers to every team except for Kansas City, Los Angeles, or Tennessee, but only to support my collusion claim. If I'm Kaep, I have zero incentive to play football, at least at this point.
This is a good point, and certainly after the Nike deal he's got no financial incentive to play. (The collusion case won't lead to anything. Like I said, players have no basic human rights.) He's got personal motivation, though, and from what I understand he's still practicing 5 hours a day. By all accounts he really wants to play football again, presumably just to prove himself.
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Kaep has the potential to be a great quarterback, though.
He does? This statement legitimately baffles me. And I say that as someone who followed him locally here very closely for pretty much his entire career. And I just don't see that. At all. I would compare him to maybe RGIII, who similarly looked like he had huge upside potential to be amazing during his first two seasons, and then completely tanked once defenses figured out that he was a one-trick pony that possessed off-the-charts athleticism, but was sorely lacking in basic QB skills. That athleticism was initially able to mask the other deficiencies. But, again, once defenses figured out how to play him and how to take that away, he couldn't fall back on just being a solid QB because that wasn't his skill set.
It actually reminds me of Dog-Killer, who came back to have one phenomenal season.
Except that Kaep has not shown evidence that he is capable of reversing his downward slide. Vick's problems were never with his skills. It was always his off the field issues, unless I ma forgetting something.
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Kaep has the potential to be a great quarterback, though.
He does? This statement legitimately baffles me. And I say that as someone who followed him locally here very closely for pretty much his entire career. And I just don't see that. At all. I would compare him to maybe RGIII, who similarly looked like he had huge upside potential to be amazing during his first two seasons, and then completely tanked once defenses figured out that he was a one-trick pony that possessed off-the-charts athleticism, but was sorely lacking in basic QB skills. That athleticism was initially able to mask the other deficiencies. But, again, once defenses figured out how to play him and how to take that away, he couldn't fall back on just being a solid QB because that wasn't his skill set.
It actually reminds me of Dog-Killer, who came back to have one phenomenal season.
Except that Kaep has not shown evidence that he is capable of reversing his downward slide. Vick's problems were never with his skills. It was always his off the field issues, unless I ma forgetting something.
Fine. We'll just assume that Kaep's a shitty quarterback with freakish athleticism. Isn't that still a better option than a shitty quarterback without that athleticism? Anyway you slice it the upside potential of Kaep greatly outweighs anything you're going to get from the other options.
Insofar as DK goes, for one season he was a much better quarterback upon his return than he ever was with Atlanta.
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Is Kaep even in game shape? I have no idea what he's up to these days as in if he's even ready to play on Sunday if he were asked.
If he were ready to go, I'd say put him in over the other guys listed. Having to go this route means your season is already pretty fucked, might as well make some news and put what probably is the best shot of the bunch on the field. Then it's up to Kaep to prove himself worthy and if he does, then your organization might look like the good guy here or if he sucks then you gave him the shot and move onto next season and you still come out looking good for trying. Just sign him to a one year deal so you it's not your responsibility to keep him when your QB is healthy again and if he does well, then he will have earned another contract with another team I'd imagine.
Either way, I'm not sure why he would even risk coming to play and potentially showing that he isn't good enough to be an NFL starter and proving the haters right, at least in the haters mind.
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We are just emotionally spent. I swear, we walked out of that game and us and the Chiefs fans were just shaking our heads and patting each other on the backs. Fucking INSANE! The Coliseum was ROCKING!!!!!! Here's some shots before the game down on the field....
https://imgur.com/9BQRGz0
https://imgur.com/tSYNXLN
https://imgur.com/YbOB0Hl
https://imgur.com/THtutlF
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Is Kaep even in game shape? I have no idea what he's up to these days as in if he's even ready to play on Sunday if he were asked.
If he were ready to go, I'd say put him in over the other guys listed. Having to go this route means your season is already pretty fucked, might as well make some news and put what probably is the best shot of the bunch on the field. Then it's up to Kaep to prove himself worthy and if he does, then your organization might look like the good guy here or if he sucks then you gave him the shot and move onto next season and you still come out looking good for trying. Just sign him to a one year deal so you it's not your responsibility to keep him when your QB is healthy again and if he does well, then he will have earned another contract with another team I'd imagine.
Either way, I'm not sure why he would even risk coming to play and potentially showing that he isn't good enough to be an NFL starter and proving the haters right, at least in the haters mind.
By all accounts he's in fantastic shape. He never stopped training, and has taken the position that he needs to be in better playing shape than anybody else.
As for the last part, it kind of answers itself. It's a question of whether or not he wants to prove himself or is afraid to prove himself, and to assume the latter isn't really fair. My guess is that he's actually desperate to prove himself.
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We are just emotionally spent. I swear, we walked out of that game and us and the Chiefs fans were just shaking our heads and patting each other on the backs. Fucking INSANE! The Coliseum was ROCKING!!!!!! Here's some shots before the game down on the field....
https://imgur.com/9BQRGz0
https://imgur.com/tSYNXLN
https://imgur.com/YbOB0Hl
https://imgur.com/THtutlF
:tup
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Fine. We'll just assume that Kaep's a shitty quarterback with freakish athleticism. Isn't that still a better option than a shitty quarterback without that athleticism? Anyway you slice it the upside potential of Kaep greatly outweighs anything you're going to get from the other options.
Maybe. I'm not so sure. And, again, even if you're right, the potential downside also might greatly outweigh anything you're going to get from the other options. Just depends on your perspective.
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Fine. We'll just assume that Kaep's a shitty quarterback with freakish athleticism. Isn't that still a better option than a shitty quarterback without that athleticism? Anyway you slice it the upside potential of Kaep greatly outweighs anything you're going to get from the other options.
Maybe. I'm not so sure. And, again, even if you're right, the potential downside also might greatly outweigh anything you're going to get from the other options. Just depends on your perspective.
I think that just depends on where your priorities are. The chances of anybody they're looking at heroically leading them into the playoffs are nil. The chances of Kaep doing the same do exist. If you want to win then he's your best shot and you deal with the fallout. Seems to me they're writing the season off, though.
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They're in a division that's completely up for grabs. Big picture, they weren't going to upset the likes of the Saints or Rams in January, but even with Colt McCoy, they will still contend for the division.
As for Kaepernick..... does anyone know if he actually wants to play? If I were him... I'd be beating my hands on the podium at a press conference saying I want to play and I'll take the league minimum if someone gives me a shot.
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Is Kaep even in game shape? I have no idea what he's up to these days as in if he's even ready to play on Sunday if he were asked.
If he were ready to go, I'd say put him in over the other guys listed. Having to go this route means your season is already pretty fucked, might as well make some news and put what probably is the best shot of the bunch on the field. Then it's up to Kaep to prove himself worthy and if he does, then your organization might look like the good guy here or if he sucks then you gave him the shot and move onto next season and you still come out looking good for trying. Just sign him to a one year deal so you it's not your responsibility to keep him when your QB is healthy again and if he does well, then he will have earned another contract with another team I'd imagine.
Either way, I'm not sure why he would even risk coming to play and potentially showing that he isn't good enough to be an NFL starter and proving the haters right, at least in the haters mind.
By all accounts he's in fantastic shape. He never stopped training, and has taken the position that he needs to be in better playing shape than anybody else.
As for the last part, it kind of answers itself. It's a question of whether or not he wants to prove himself or is afraid to prove himself, and to assume the latter isn't really fair. My guess is that he's actually desperate to prove himself.
I think this is one of the few things that we fundamentally disagree on. I'm not a fan of the "athlete playing quarterback", and I don't see a lot of long-term, systemic success with that kind of quarterback. Good coaches - the Belichicks, of course, but also, Wade Phillips showed this a couple years ago - shut that down when they need to. Vick did have a good season, but he (physically) paid the price for it, to the point that I think we here commented on how tough that son of a bitch was.
I don't disagree with you about the general context of this; you have a team in first place, losing their lynchpin, you would think they would test all options, and exhaust all resources. Hell, use my own argument against me: bring in Kaep, let him have one more run around the league, let's see if the defenses catch up with him in time to prevent the 'Skins from making the playoff (who cares if they figure out Kaep in 2019, Smith will - hopefully - be back!). But I don't need "collusion" or "off-field nonsense" to explain to me why I wouldn't be looking at him as a solution.
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Fine. We'll just assume that Kaep's a shitty quarterback with freakish athleticism. Isn't that still a better option than a shitty quarterback without that athleticism? Anyway you slice it the upside potential of Kaep greatly outweighs anything you're going to get from the other options.
Maybe. I'm not so sure. And, again, even if you're right, the potential downside also might greatly outweigh anything you're going to get from the other options. Just depends on your perspective.
I think that just depends on where your priorities are. The chances of anybody they're looking at heroically leading them into the playoffs are nil. The chances of Kaep doing the same do exist. If you want to win then he's your best shot and you deal with the fallout. Seems to me they're writing the season off, though.
^ This is what I was trying to say in my last paragraph.
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Is Kaep even in game shape? I have no idea what he's up to these days as in if he's even ready to play on Sunday if he were asked.
If he were ready to go, I'd say put him in over the other guys listed. Having to go this route means your season is already pretty fucked, might as well make some news and put what probably is the best shot of the bunch on the field. Then it's up to Kaep to prove himself worthy and if he does, then your organization might look like the good guy here or if he sucks then you gave him the shot and move onto next season and you still come out looking good for trying. Just sign him to a one year deal so you it's not your responsibility to keep him when your QB is healthy again and if he does well, then he will have earned another contract with another team I'd imagine.
Either way, I'm not sure why he would even risk coming to play and potentially showing that he isn't good enough to be an NFL starter and proving the haters right, at least in the haters mind.
By all accounts he's in fantastic shape. He never stopped training, and has taken the position that he needs to be in better playing shape than anybody else.
As for the last part, it kind of answers itself. It's a question of whether or not he wants to prove himself or is afraid to prove himself, and to assume the latter isn't really fair. My guess is that he's actually desperate to prove himself.
If he really is desperate to prove himself, I would think a team would want that personally. You want a guy with that edge. Also we are talking about quite a bit of time removed. I feel like any potential backlash to signing him would not be that bad. Like sure some people hate the guy and won't like the signing and it would be a national story but so many people (myself included) have mentally checked out of the "nfl players kneel for the anthem" thing that you won't be hearing the same cries as you would from a year ago. I dont know, I think there's a lot of upside to signing him and the downside is he potentially stinks and you cut him afterwards and now he will have no claim to belong in the league which for the people who already hate him, they would be happy to know he has no argument to be in the league anymore.
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Is Kaep even in game shape? I have no idea what he's up to these days as in if he's even ready to play on Sunday if he were asked.
If he were ready to go, I'd say put him in over the other guys listed. Having to go this route means your season is already pretty fucked, might as well make some news and put what probably is the best shot of the bunch on the field. Then it's up to Kaep to prove himself worthy and if he does, then your organization might look like the good guy here or if he sucks then you gave him the shot and move onto next season and you still come out looking good for trying. Just sign him to a one year deal so you it's not your responsibility to keep him when your QB is healthy again and if he does well, then he will have earned another contract with another team I'd imagine.
Either way, I'm not sure why he would even risk coming to play and potentially showing that he isn't good enough to be an NFL starter and proving the haters right, at least in the haters mind.
By all accounts he's in fantastic shape. He never stopped training, and has taken the position that he needs to be in better playing shape than anybody else.
As for the last part, it kind of answers itself. It's a question of whether or not he wants to prove himself or is afraid to prove himself, and to assume the latter isn't really fair. My guess is that he's actually desperate to prove himself.
If he really is desperate to prove himself, I would think a team would want that personally. You want a guy with that edge. Also we are talking about quite a bit of time removed. I feel like any potential backlash to signing him would not be that bad. Like sure some people hate the guy and won't like the signing and it would be a national story but so many people (myself included) have mentally checked out of the "nfl players kneel for the anthem" thing that you won't be hearing the same cries as you would from a year ago. I dont know, I think there's a lot of upside to signing him and the downside is he potentially stinks and you cut him afterwards and now he will have no claim to belong in the league which for the people who already hate him, they would be happy to know he has no argument to be in the league anymore.
Yeah, at this point haven't all of the jingo fucks who ran out and burned their Nikes already tuned out the NFL? My hunch is that if a team did sign him you'd see a whole lot of people swearing to never watch the NFL again, but they'd be the exact same people who swore that 5 times in the past. My hunch is that the greater backlash would be from the other owners. They've been infighting for years now, and a team signing him would be the the latest reason for one side to fuck the other. From that point of view Snyder would have been right to not consider him, and Kaep would be right to sue the fuck out of them.
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And yet, Michael Dick still was given a second chance. Go figure.
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The owners should have their own reality series.
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Really enjoyed that game, just noting that the Rams only won by 3 points despite 5 takeaways.
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Pre-Week 12 Power Rankings
1. Saints - 144 points scored in their last three games
2. Rams - won a thriller, but that defense is still a major concern
3. Chiefs - played awful at the start and committed five turnovers and still only lost by 3
4. Steelers - won a game they should not have
5. Patriots - cakewalk schedule down the stretch thanks to their pitiful division means they could still fall into a bye
6. Chargers - tough loss, but seem destined to be the 5 seed
7. Texans - seven wins in a row is pretty special
8. Bears - that felt like their biggest win in years
9. Panthers - good call to go for 2, bad throw by Cam
10. Colts - white hot at the moment
Trending up:
Cowboys - NFC East is now theirs for the taking
Seahawks - staying close to be able to snag a wild card
Giants - two wins in a row after a 1-7 start is...something
Ravens - still don't know what to make of this team
Broncos - defense is playing well, but too little too late
Trending down:
Eagles - officially a trainwreck
Jags - they need to draft a QB early
Falcons - fought their way to .500 and then fell on their asses
Bengals - deep down, didn't we all know they'd fall off after that hot start?
Packers - Adios soon, Mike McCarthy
Top 5 MVP Contenders
1. Drew Brees - pulling away from the pack
2. Patrick Mahomes - insane talent and production, but too many turnovers now to win it
3. Todd Gurley - a subpar game (by his standards) does not devalue him
4. Ben Roethlisberger - still turns it over too much, but always fights till the end
5. Andrew Luck - playing all-world these days
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If the Steelers beat the Pats there won't be a bye.
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And yet, Michael Dick still was given a second chance. Go figure.
Yeah, that's usually what happens when your convicted of a crime and do your time.
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The Ravens were gonna sign Kaepernick last year, until his girlfriend went on Twitter and basically called the Ravens owner a slave owner, which, the more I think about it, the more I think that was done so Kaepernick didn't get signed. I think he is more interested in being a martyr than playing football at this point, and doing that ensured the Ravens wouldn't sign him, which means Kaepernick and his followers can keep alive the "he is being blackballed" false narrative. And it also keeps alive the idea that he could still play well if some team would just give him a chance. What if he gets signed, plays, and stinks up the joint? The blackballed narrative is destroyed and everyone sees that he can't play anymore, two things that would not help his rep. He has given no indication that he still wants to play (sorry, but people saying "he still wants to play" and "he still practices all the time" means squat), because I do not think he does.
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I hope I'm not being labelled as a "Kaepernick follower" because I agree that there is collusion against him being signed and did mention this "false narrative" of him being blackballed by the NFL before. Would you mind sharing your evidence that makes you so confident that this is a "false narrative"? I just googled "does Kaepernick still want to play football" and the top story was an article from Mike Florio (posted on 11/18), which states the following:
"According to a source with direct knowledge of Kaepernick’s mindset and ongoing physical activities and preparation, Kaepernick wants to play. He continues to work out five hours per day, six days per week for one reason and one reason alone. He wants to play."
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/11/18/source-colin-kaepernick-wants-to-play/
Maybe this is just more ammunition to keep the "false narrative" going :rollin
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Forget whether I posted this here a previous time that the whole Kaepernick thing came up
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2700218-nfl1000-is-colin-kaepernick-still-starting-quarterback-material-in-the-nfl
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That's a good read Axe, thanks for sharing. We all know how great the Niners went on to be after they moved on from him :lol
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The Ravens were gonna sign Kaepernick last year, until his girlfriend went on Twitter and basically called the Ravens owner a slave owner, which, the more I think about it, the more I think that was done so Kaepernick didn't get signed. I think he is more interested in being a martyr than playing football at this point, and doing that ensured the Ravens wouldn't sign him, which means Kaepernick and his followers can keep alive the "he is being blackballed" false narrative. And it also keeps alive the idea that he could still play well if some team would just give him a chance. What if he gets signed, plays, and stinks up the joint? The blackballed narrative is destroyed and everyone sees that he can't play anymore, two things that would not help his rep. He has given no indication that he still wants to play (sorry, but people saying "he still wants to play" and "he still practices all the time" means squat), because I do not think he does.
This is a very real possibility. I just think it's jumping to the negative conclusion rather than the positive one, which is easy to do when we don't like somebody. You see it in the PR subforum all the time. "Well, obviously this is what she really meant." I don't know if it's the case or not, but I'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, which is that he does want to prove himself and his girlfriend is just a dumb, racist cunt.
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I hope I'm not being labelled as a "Kaepernick follower" because I agree that there is collusion against him being signed and did mention this "false narrative" of him being blackballed by the NFL before. Would you mind sharing your evidence that makes you so confident that this is a "false narrative"? I just googled "does Kaepernick still want to play football" and the top story was an article from Mike Florio (posted on 11/18), which states the following:
"According to a source with direct knowledge of Kaepernick’s mindset and ongoing physical activities and preparation, Kaepernick wants to play. He continues to work out five hours per day, six days per week for one reason and one reason alone. He wants to play."
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/11/18/source-colin-kaepernick-wants-to-play/
Maybe this is just more ammunition to keep the "false narrative" going :rollin
Even if you're right - and I'm not saying you're not - there are other variables to all of this. His handlers for one. And for two, the circumstances; remember Bill Ward and the last Sabbath tour? "I wasn't given a signable contract". Bullshit. ANY contract is "signable" if you agree to the terms. Bill didn't like the deal he was offered, and decided to spin it to make Ozzy/Sharon/Tony look bad. I'm pretty sure Le'Veon Bell "wants to play", but the fact is, he's in Miami playing "Spiderman" on PS4. If I'm a team, I'm not throwing a ton of guaranteed money at ANY player, let alone Kaepernick, so we have to make sure we're talking apples to apples here.
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I hope I'm not being labelled as a "Kaepernick follower" because I agree that there is collusion against him being signed and did mention this "false narrative" of him being blackballed by the NFL before. Would you mind sharing your evidence that makes you so confident that this is a "false narrative"? I just googled "does Kaepernick still want to play football" and the top story was an article from Mike Florio (posted on 11/18), which states the following:
"According to a source with direct knowledge of Kaepernick’s mindset and ongoing physical activities and preparation, Kaepernick wants to play. He continues to work out five hours per day, six days per week for one reason and one reason alone. He wants to play."
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/11/18/source-colin-kaepernick-wants-to-play/
Maybe this is just more ammunition to keep the "false narrative" going :rollin
Even if you're right - and I'm not saying you're not - there are other variables to all of this. His handlers for one. And for two, the circumstances; remember Bill Ward and the last Sabbath tour? "I wasn't given a signable contract". Bullshit. ANY contract is "signable" if you agree to the terms. Bill didn't like the deal he was offered, and decided to spin it to make Ozzy/Sharon/Tony look bad. I'm pretty sure Le'Veon Bell "wants to play", but the fact is, he's in Miami playing "Spiderman" on PS4. If I'm a team, I'm not throwing a ton of guaranteed money at ANY player, let alone Kaepernick, so we have to make sure we're talking apples to apples here.
Hey, let's be fair here. Just because Bill Ward didn't like the terms of the contract doesn't mean that he's the bad guy and not the people who offered it. Greed can be applied to either side, and it's not always the person who declines the offer.
In any case, I have no idea what Kaep is looking for. For all I know he might be willing to play for the league minimum. As far as I know nobody's bothered to find out.
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I still just come back to: I just don't know that he's good enough to consider, and given the limited upside, I can see how the added drama and downside wouldn't make him very hireable, even in a situation like what Washington has right now.
As a 49er fan who backed him for a long time, I can definitely see the downside just in terms of performance. He kind of had everyone fooled that first year because, while his completion percentage wasn't great, his yards per completion stat was pretty good, he didn't throw a lot of interceptions, people didn't know how to deal with his ability to run, and on the passes he did complete, his accuracy was fantastic. Some of the throws he completed during that almost-comeback in the SB were dead-on in really tight windows. But then in the following years, you see his completion percentage start to creep down. And you see his accuracy become more and more sporadic. And teams were able to figure out the read option and limit what he could do there. And then, suddenly, you are left with a below-average QB, despite him leading a team to the brink of a SB win his first year and to the NFC championship the following year. And now he's a below-average QB that brings a lot of baggage. I'm not saying he shouldn't work. But I understand why he hasn't, and will understand if that continues to be the case, even where you have a team like Washington that is pretty desperate. I don't see Kaepernick bringing anything positive to the table that their existing QB pool doesn't bring already.
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I hope I'm not being labelled as a "Kaepernick follower" because I agree that there is collusion against him being signed and did mention this "false narrative" of him being blackballed by the NFL before. Would you mind sharing your evidence that makes you so confident that this is a "false narrative"? I just googled "does Kaepernick still want to play football" and the top story was an article from Mike Florio (posted on 11/18), which states the following:
"According to a source with direct knowledge of Kaepernick’s mindset and ongoing physical activities and preparation, Kaepernick wants to play. He continues to work out five hours per day, six days per week for one reason and one reason alone. He wants to play."
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/11/18/source-colin-kaepernick-wants-to-play/
Maybe this is just more ammunition to keep the "false narrative" going :rollin
Even if you're right - and I'm not saying you're not - there are other variables to all of this. His handlers for one. And for two, the circumstances; remember Bill Ward and the last Sabbath tour? "I wasn't given a signable contract". Bullshit. ANY contract is "signable" if you agree to the terms. Bill didn't like the deal he was offered, and decided to spin it to make Ozzy/Sharon/Tony look bad. I'm pretty sure Le'Veon Bell "wants to play", but the fact is, he's in Miami playing "Spiderman" on PS4. If I'm a team, I'm not throwing a ton of guaranteed money at ANY player, let alone Kaepernick, so we have to make sure we're talking apples to apples here.
Hey, let's be fair here. Just because Bill Ward didn't like the terms of the contract doesn't mean that he's the bad guy and not the people who offered it. Greed can be applied to either side, and it's not always the person who declines the offer.
In any case, I have no idea what Kaep is looking for. For all I know he might be willing to play for the league minimum. As far as I know nobody's bothered to find out.
I don't think we're that far apart on this, to be honest, just coming at it from different sides. I'm really just saying that it's likely got input from both sides; we can quibble whether it's 50-50 or not, but still (for the record, I tend to think he's gotten SOME feelers, but nothing substantial, and opted to not take the low ball offers, which I can't criticize him for doing.)
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The Ravens were gonna sign Kaepernick last year, until his girlfriend went on Twitter and basically called the Ravens owner a slave owner....
I must need to brush up on my Antebellum history, I do not recall any slave owners having a payroll of $150 million dollars.
There shouldn't be this "social justice" demand that someone offer him a job if no one wants to. Being a NFL QB (or any NFL player for that matter) requires much more than "physical ability to perform the tasks of the position."
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I still just come back to: I just don't know that he's good enough to consider, and given the limited upside, I can see how the added drama and downside wouldn't make him very hireable, even in a situation like what Washington has right now.
As a 49er fan who backed him for a long time, I can definitely see the downside just in terms of performance. He kind of had everyone fooled that first year because, while his completion percentage wasn't great, his yards per completion stat was pretty good, he didn't throw a lot of interceptions, people didn't know how to deal with his ability to run, and on the passes he did complete, his accuracy was fantastic. Some of the throws he completed during that almost-comeback in the SB were dead-on in really tight windows. But then in the following years, you see his completion percentage start to creep down. And you see his accuracy become more and more sporadic. And teams were able to figure out the read option and limit what he could do there. And then, suddenly, you are left with a below-average QB, despite him leading a team to the brink of a SB win his first year and to the NFC championship the following year. And now he's a below-average QB that brings a lot of baggage. I'm not saying he shouldn't work. But I understand why he hasn't, and will understand if that continues to be the case, even where you have a team like Washington that is pretty desperate. I don't see Kaepernick bringing anything positive to the table that their existing QB pool doesn't bring already.
Your perspective makes a lot of sense, but this is the same league that allowed a guy like Michael Vick to get another chance in the NFL (as someone brought up earlier). I noticed that was dismissed by someone because he did his time, but does that mean he would no longer bring baggage and drama to his team? Fortunately for the NFL, Vick returning didn't affect their ratings - but what Kaepernick started seemed to be a huge factor in the sharp decline in ratings the last two seasons. Obviously Kaepernick was the ringleader of that whole movement, so it makes sense to me that the NFL owners would not want him back in the NFL to protect their ratings. There is evidence that the NFL ratings are rebounding this year, which could have to do with how kneeling on the field during the anthem is no longer allowed.
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I hope I'm not being labelled as a "Kaepernick follower" because I agree that there is collusion against him being signed and did mention this "false narrative" of him being blackballed by the NFL before. Would you mind sharing your evidence that makes you so confident that this is a "false narrative"? I just googled "does Kaepernick still want to play football" and the top story was an article from Mike Florio (posted on 11/18), which states the following:
"According to a source with direct knowledge of Kaepernick’s mindset and ongoing physical activities and preparation, Kaepernick wants to play. He continues to work out five hours per day, six days per week for one reason and one reason alone. He wants to play."
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/11/18/source-colin-kaepernick-wants-to-play/
Maybe this is just more ammunition to keep the "false narrative" going :rollin
Someone has direct knowledge of Kaepernick's mindset? Is it Mel Gibson? Oh wait, he can only read women's minds... :lol :lol
Joking aside, I don't put much stock into Flurio's comments because a) he screams and yells about everything related to this like he is being personally affected by Kaepernick not playing, removing any objectivity he might have once had, and b) that kind of "source" could be planting such info to media folks to get it out there and reinforce the "Kaepernick still wants to play" narrative, when almost nothing the man himself has said and done in the last two years has indicated that he actually wants to play. He has no problem cashing a big check to appear in a Nike commercial, but does he ever talk about football anymore? Shoot, even numerous sports talking heads on his side have said repeatedly that they wish Kaepernick would get out there and talk about football and wanting to play instead of having his feelers leak things to the media; it feels disingenuous.
As for proving the narrative is false, I think the burden is on those pushing the narrative to prove it is correct. Where is the proof that he is being blackballed?
This is a very real possibility. I just think it's jumping to the negative conclusion rather than the positive one, which is easy to do when we don't like somebody. You see it in the PR subforum all the time. "Well, obviously this is what she really meant." I don't know if it's the case or not, but I'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, which is that he does want to prove himself and his girlfriend is just a dumb, racist cunt.
Kaepernick has given me no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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You make a good point Kev, it wouldn't shock me if that report was fabricated for his political agenda. I guess the fan in me wants to believe that there has to be something going on behind the scenes when a league that is starving for talented quarterbacks has no place for Colin Kaepernick. We've seen potential playoff teams trot out Brock Osweiler and Blaine Gabbert under center. I get it that they don't bring the baggage that Kaepernick would, but it's hard to believe that no one would be willing to give him a chance (like Philly did with Vick in 2009), unless there was some kind of collusion going on. How does Mark Sanchez have a job again and Nathan Peterman (!!!) got to work out for the Lions not long after being released by the Bills, yet no one is interested at all in giving Kaepernick another shot? :lol
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All of those guys were signed as backups and for chicken scratch (in NFL monetary terms). You generally want your backup QB to be cheap and not have any baggage/drama. Colin Kaepernick does not fit either of those descriptions.
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I'll give some kudos to daBears for beating the Lions without Trubisky, doing so on the road, and doing so after playing Sunday night. Another instance of the NFL schedule makers having their heads up their axe.
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It's back! Have fun.
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Thinking that tomorrow afternoon will be a tough game for the Steelers in Denver. Denver is tough for any visiting team, and advanced analytics show Denver is much better than people realize. The running game and D is legit and Keenum is solid. Yes Pitt is 15-1-1 in the last 17 road games but some of that is just randomness due to small sample size and unsustainable. I’m hoping that the talent on O will make enough plays to squeak out a 24-20 win but won’t be at all shocked if they lose.
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Going through the games on this, I noticed that the Giants still have a shot at winning their division. It’s not likely that this will happen, but should the Giants go on a run and win five of their remaining six games, the Cowboys and Redskins lose at least four games, and the Eagles lose at least three games, the Giants get in the playoffs as an 8-8 NFC East champion. It speaks to how bad that division is when a team that currently has three wins has a clear, if not improbable, path to a home playoff game.
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This is what Who Dat fever was looking like in the New Orleans suburbs Thursday night during the Falcons beatdown. This town is absolutely electric right now. WHO DAT!!!
https://www.facebook.com/lynn.daja/videos/1897217390333098/
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Shawn Hochuli's crew really sucks. If they want to call a penalty on every play then so be it. They're missing some penalties that actually do matter, though. I've seen several late hits that didn't get called.
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Lol Steeler TE is such a pussy he let a safety blow him up for a fumble on that sure TD. 10 points off the board so far :facepalm:. Exactly how you lose.
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My goodness what a game. 4 turnovers and a blocked punt, should be up by 17.
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That's a hell of a win for the Broncos, I hope you're as excited as I am right now, Kev! I have a ton of respect for Roethlisberger as a QB and was expecting him to tie the game up at the end. The Steelers are going to be a force to be reckoned with in the playoffs...
After these last 2 wins for the Broncos, I think Vance Joseph has earned another year with this team, as much as it may anger some fans. You have to give a lot of credit to this Broncos team for playing so hard against great teams (KC, LA Rams, LA Chargers, PIT). Also, as much criticism as Elway has gotten lately (which he mostly deserves), he also deserves recognition for hitting a home run on undrafted FA Phillip Lindsay. The playoffs may be out of reach for the Broncos, but I feel pretty good about the future of this team right now after a rough start to the season.
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Denver's schedule was an absolute gauntlet thus far. It gets a lot easier from here on out. I can see them finishing very strong and interjecting themselves into the Wild Card hunt.
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I love those blue Broncos helmets.
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That's a hell of a win for the Broncos, I hope you're as excited as I am right now, Kev!
It was an exciting win, but, not to be a spoil sport, it still feels like too little, too late.
After these last 2 wins for the Broncos, I think Vance Joseph has earned another year with this team, as much as it may anger some fans.
That is what grosses me out. They did the last same thing last year, winning a few games late after they were all but out of it, making Elway think Joseph was good enough to bring back.
You have to give a lot of credit to this Broncos team for playing so hard against great teams (KC, LA Rams, LA Chargers, PIT).
Eh, they are supposed to play hard; that is their job.
Also, as much criticism as Elway has gotten lately (which he mostly deserves), he also deserves recognition for hitting a home run on undrafted FA Phillip Lindsay.
For sure. Lindsay looks great, and I can't wait till the Broncos have a coach with enough of a clue to give him more carries AND utilize him in the passing game.
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That Broncos win earned me a free lunch!
If our offensive line could actually block, I'd have some hope for the future.
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So on another site I saw a description of Denver’s game plan: allow almost 500 yards passing and hope for freakish turnovers at the best possible time, and it worked to perfection.
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I don't follow the NFL like I used to, so I don't really know many of the players, but who is this Jalen Ramsey asshole? Every single article I've ever seen written about him is him running his mouth. Is this guy a pro football player or is he headed to the Royal Rumble?
Anyway, Seahawks win. Didn't watch. A little surprised they are still in the hunt, and with 3 easy wins coming up have a good shot at a wildcard depending on how the rest of the NFC mid-card does.
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So on another site I saw a description of Denver’s game plan: allow almost 500 yards passing and hope for freakish turnovers at the best possible time, and it worked to perfection.
Was that site a bitter Steelers fan blog? :lol
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Anyway, Seahawks win. Didn't watch. A little surprised they are still in the hunt, and with 3 easy wins coming up have a good shot at a wildcard depending on how the rest of the NFC mid-card does.
I don't know about those easy wins. We have the tendency to screw it up last minute with stupid penalty calls, or dumb coaching decisions. I hope so though.
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I don't follow the NFL like I used to, so I don't really know many of the players, but who is this Jalen Ramsey asshole? Every single article I've ever seen written about him is him running his mouth. Is this guy a pro football player or is he headed to the Royal Rumble?
A good CB for a 3-8 team who's not smart enough to understand that the only people who don't want him to STFU are the coaches of the teams he plays against.
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I actually thought the Giants had a shot. I didn't watch the game - family shit - but how in god's name does Saquon Barkley touch the ball only four times in the ENTIRE SECOND HALF in what was for the most part a one-score game?
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I actually thought the Giants had a shot. I didn't watch the game - family shit - but how in god's name does Saquon Barkley touch the ball only four times in the ENTIRE SECOND HALF in what was for the most part a one-score game?
There must be something in the air in East Rutherford. I expect this from my Jets, but I’m genuinely surprised out how dysfunctional the Giants have been these past few years.
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It's back! Have fun.
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As much as I love messing with it, it's far too early. There are just too many games left and too many potential scenarios.
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So on another site I saw a description of Denver’s game plan: allow almost 500 yards passing and hope for freakish turnovers at the best possible time, and it worked to perfection.
Was that site a bitter Steelers fan blog? :lol
:lol :lol
I get why the Steelers throw it a lot, given their talent, but given Ben's tendency to throw bad picks (and the two he threw yesterday was god-awful), throwing the ball 50+ times is gonna result in turnovers.
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Yeah, I meant no disrespect to Dream Team, but the two interceptions were flat out bad throws/decisions by Roethlisberger. The fumble by Grimble was due to a crushing hit made by Will Parks (best play of his career to this point, really) and Conner's fumble was just a reckless and inexperienced play. Pittsburgh is obviously the better team, but Denver deserves some credit for coming out on top yesterday.
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The Giants can still, mathematically, win the division! :)
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So on another site I saw a description of Denver’s game plan: allow almost 500 yards passing and hope for freakish turnovers at the best possible time, and it worked to perfection.
Was that site a bitter Steelers fan blog? :lol
:lol :lol
I get why the Steelers throw it a lot, given their talent, but given Ben's tendency to throw bad picks (and the two he threw yesterday was god-awful), throwing the ball 50+ times is gonna result in turnovers.
Ben’s style is high-risk/high-reward and wins most of the time. If everything else goes wrong, it loses. Simple as that. Same with Favre. It’s usually entertaining to watch at least (Cowherd likens the team to a roller-coaster).
Edit: that TD to Schuster is one of the 5 greatest throws I’ve ever seen.
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So on another site I saw a description of Denver’s game plan: allow almost 500 yards passing and hope for freakish turnovers at the best possible time, and it worked to perfection.
Was that site a bitter Steelers fan blog? :lol
:D Actually it was neutral analytics site where people realized that blind fumble luck bounced Denver’s way. Anyway, I’m over it - I said before the game that their torrid road winning pace was unsustainable.
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So on another site I saw a description of Denver’s game plan: allow almost 500 yards passing and hope for freakish turnovers at the best possible time, and it worked to perfection.
Was that site a bitter Steelers fan blog? :lol
:lol :lol
I get why the Steelers throw it a lot, given their talent, but given Ben's tendency to throw bad picks (and the two he threw yesterday was god-awful), throwing the ball 50+ times is gonna result in turnovers.
All the turnovers (picks and fumbles) killed the Steelers. That's for sure.
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The Giants can still, mathematically, win the division! :)
Too bad they don't have Einstein on their team. :rollin
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The Giants can still, mathematically, win the division! :)
Too bad they don't have Einstein on their team. :rollin
:lol and wow that was a hard second half to watch last weekend. I thought for a bit when up 19-3 that maybe something did click with this team and they can turn it around and while making the playoffs would be really tough, to at least make a nice run and show some improvement.... then they revert to what they've been like all season and blow another close game.
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I was actually routing for NY in that game. Knocking Philly down another notch would've been perfect. Too bad the defense just couldn't hold up.
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Pre-Week 13 Power Rankings
1. Saints - to to bottom, the best team by a pretty good margin right now
2. Rams - did the fix the defense over the bye week?
3. Chiefs - can they hang on to the 1 seed?
4. Steelers - tough loss, which could cost them a bye
5. Patriots - easy division will probably get them a bye yet again
6. Chargers - tough luck playing in the same division as the Chiefs
7. Texans - DeSean Watson is a difference maker
8. Bears - winning a divisional road game with their backup QB was impressive
9. Colts - on a roll and appear on their way to grabbing a wild card
10. Cowboys - finally getting it together, but can they slow down the Saints?
Trending up:
Seahawks - huge road win
Broncos - have an outside shot at a playoff berth now
Browns - Baker Mayfield and Nick Chubb both looking like great picks now
Bills - Josh Allen looks like he could be a good one
Ravens - two easy games for Lamar Jackson, but what will happen when he faces a real team?
Trending down:
Redskins - not like Alex Smith is elite, but they are missing him
Panthers - went from looking like they'd coast to the playoffs to now having to fight like hell just to make it
Packers - Aaron Rodgers is not blameless, but Mike McCarthy is showing what a fraud he is
Titans - back down to earth after surprising wins over Dallas and NE
Dolphins - predictable stumble after that surprising start
Top 5 MVP Contenders
1. Drew Brees - barring a setback, will finally win one
2. Patrick Mahomes - crazy to think that he might break the TD record and not be the MVP
3. Jared Goff - it's a QB league and I think the Rams would suffer much more if they lost Goff rather than Gurley
4. Andrew Luck - most years he'd be the frontrunner if he got this team to the playoffs
5. Philip Rivers - continuing to have a fantastic season
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A Dallas win this Thursday would be huge, but I'm not holding my breath. Saints are too damn good. I just hope it's a good game.
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The AFC playoff race is REALLY intriguing to me right now. KC should be just about the runaway favorite to win the #1 seed. But their remaining games are against the Ravens, Seahawks, Chargers, and Raiders (twice). They win both of those Raiders games. But the others? I'm not so sure.
The Texans could easily win out. Their only potentially tough looking game, as far as I can see, is against the Colts.
The Pats have a few tough games against contenders (Steelers and Vikings...maybe the Dolphins). But I would never bet against the BB/Brady-led Pats in the last 5 games of the regular season.
The Steelers are in much worse shape, with games against the Pats, Saints, and Chargers looming. I can see them dropping to the #4 seed.
Anyhow, bottom line is, I can easily see the Chiefs dropping a couple of games over the last 5 and losing the #1 seed to the Texans or Pats. I ran a couple of scenarios with the playoff machine with them dropping 2 games and the Texans stealing the #1. I could see it happening.
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Given how lucky they always are, and how soft their divisional games are, the Patriots will probably get the 1 seed when KC loses at Seattle in December and when the Steelers stick their heads up their asses and lose to the Patriots in a game we will all look back on and think, "Pittsburgh should have won that."
Then again, Father Time is clearly catching up to Tom Brady, so they could easily stumble and lose a game or two that they should win. This is, after all, the same team that got drilled by Blake Bortles' Jags and got trounced by the 4-7 Lions.
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Totally. But what about the Texans? My eyes and guy tell me they aren't deserving of a #1 seed. But my head looking at the remaining schedule tells me they could EASILY win out since their remaining schedule is so soft.
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It's hard for me to get past my "Bill O'Brien is a doofus" line of thinking, so I'd be shocked if they win out to go 13-3. Indy will be a tough game, and at Philly could be tough as well if the Eagles actually get it together. Shoot, playing the Browns this weekend won't be easy.
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There are a ton of unpredictables left in the AFC. AFC-W games often go in strange directions. The Texans are a weird team. NE will beat the good teams but probably lose a stupid one to Buffalo or something. Cleveland is a really fun wildcard. About the only thing I can predict with any certainty is that there won't be any AFC teams taking week 17 off. I wouldn't be surprised if there were 4 teams battling it out for the 1 and 2 seeds in W17 thanks to some quirky tie-break scenarios.
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No one has mentioned it yet, but history says that KC WILL fold at some point. Whether it's week 13, 17 or some (early, IMO) playoff round, it WILL happen.
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No one has mentioned it yet, but history says that KC WILL fold at some point. Whether it's week 13, 17 or some (early, IMO) playoff round, it WILL happen.
I don't think Mahomes care about what happened before he took over the starting job. And the Chiefs have never had anyone like him.
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No one has mentioned it yet, but history says that KC WILL fold at some point. Whether it's week 13, 17 or some (early, IMO) playoff round, it WILL happen.
You are actually the last person I would expect to say that since you have a better handle than most on what statistics and prior history actually prove and don't prove. They haven't had this specific combination of players on their roster and haven't played this specific roster of players on other teams in any past season. So whatever they may have done in the past is irrelevant to what they will do in the future. Yeah, you can say that their coaching staff is the common denominator and has a history of folding down the stretch. But given how different their roster is, and how dominant this roster has been in a number of its games this season, you can't make that sort of prediction solely based on what they have done in the past.
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History means almost nothing when it comes to sports team and whatnot.
The Broncos had a history of getting their asses kicked in the Super Bowl...until 1997.
The Eagles had a history of never winning the big one...until last year.
The Saints had a history of never winning in the playoffs...until Sean Payton and Drew Brees arrived.
etc.
If the Chiefs do lose in the playoffs, it will be because they get outplayed, not because history dictates that the Chiefs must lose.
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Totally. But what about the Texans? My eyes and guy tell me they aren't deserving of a #1 seed. But my head looking at the remaining schedule tells me they could EASILY win out since their remaining schedule is so soft.
If we survive Cleveland (if I looked into the future from 12 months ago and saw myself making this comment, I'd think I was drunk or high), and Indianapolis, I think we can win out.
I am used to perpetual disappointment, so I too, feel like we don't deserve the #1 seed. But we'll see what happens
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If we survive Cleveland (if I looked into the future from 12 months ago and saw myself making this comment, I'd think I was drunk or high), and Indianapolis, I think we can win out.
:lol
In all seriousness, although I haven't followed the team at all, I look at who they have beaten this year, and who they have left, and I am pretty optimistic about a 4-1 or 5-0 finish for them. Yeah, anything can happen on any given Sunday, but the odds are in their favor.
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No one has mentioned it yet, but history says that KC WILL fold at some point. Whether it's week 13, 17 or some (early, IMO) playoff round, it WILL happen.
I don't think Mahomes care about what happened before he took over the starting job. And the Chiefs have never had anyone like him.
He's not Len Dawson yet, so let's ease up on his induction into the Hall of Fame.
And they still have Andy Reid.
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No one has mentioned it yet, but history says that KC WILL fold at some point. Whether it's week 13, 17 or some (early, IMO) playoff round, it WILL happen.
I don't think Mahomes care about what happened before he took over the starting job. And the Chiefs have never had anyone like him.
He's not Len Dawson yet, so let's ease up on his induction into the Hall of Fame.
And they still have Andy Reid.
Hall of famer or not, he is the reason they have a very good chance of bucking history. At the same time Andy Reid is the history they have to beat, and I'm not sure that they can.
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Stadler is busting out the Skip Bayless shtick.
*young player bursts on to the scene and plays well*
"people praise said player for playing well*
"Skip/Stadler acts like everyone is putting them in the Hall of Fame already*
:lol :lol
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Stadler is busting out the Skip Bayless shtick.
*young player bursts on to the scene and plays well*
"people praise said player for playing well*
"Skip/Stadler acts like everyone is putting them in the Hall of Fame already*
:lol :lol
I think I feel the same about being compared to Skip Bayless as others here do about being compared to me. :) (I'm really stealing that shtick from Bill Parcells, but that's quibbling).
I recognize that we're not putting him in the Hall of Fame, but still; the league is brutal, and there have been some great QBs that weren't able to sustain the momentum, and so I'm just loathe to give that any real weight in terms of predicting the rest of the year. And really, my big problem with Mahomes is really in the last half of el Barto's last sentence.
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KC's biggest problem is their defense, which is utter trash. Consider that their two losses were by scores of 43-40 and 54-51. :eek :eek
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and I still believe defense wins championships. I'm not sure Mahomes will be the reason KC doesn't win the superbowl this year.
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Defense can win championships ('00 Ravens, '02 Bucs, '13 Seahawks, '15 Broncos), and sometimes a team wins it when their defense is better than their offense ('01 Pats, '03 Pats, '05 Steelers, '07 Giants, '08 Steelers), but plenty of teams win it nowadays when their offense is better ('99 Rams, '06 Colts, '09 Saints, '14 Patriots). In other words, there is more than one way to skin a cat, and more than one way to win a championship. ;)
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Defense can win championships ('00 Ravens, '02 Bucs, '13 Seahawks, '15 Broncos), and sometimes a team wins it when their defense is better than their offense ('01 Pats, '03 Pats, '05 Steelers, '07 Giants, '08 Steelers), but plenty of teams win it nowadays when their offense is better ('99 Rams, '06 Colts, '09 Saints, '14 Patriots). In other words, there is more than one way to skin a cat, and more than one way to win a championship. ;)
Of course, but your example just listed a lot more defensive teams winning than offensive. And your example of the Cheif's two losses look so typical of the team that wins a lot in the regular season with their offense but fail in the playoffs because of their defense. Can they win? Of course they can, but I'd pick a few teams over them at this point.
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and I still believe defense wins championships. I'm not sure Mahomes will be the reason KC doesn't win the superbowl this year.
Why would I get a new phone? This flip phone works perfectly fine.
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I do too but in this day an age, defenses are playing with one hand tied behind their backs.
I think turnovers caused by defenses is the measuring stick these days.
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My stepdaughter attended Delaware, and we attended five games during the two years that Flacco played there, including a wild 59-52 win at Navy (https://www.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stories/102707acr.html). So we've had more than a 'love affair' with Joe in Baltimore, good Joe or not so good Joe. I mean, other than Testaverde for a couple of years in the 90s, and McNair in 2006, QB was a sore spot for this franchise. Every game during his first seven years meant something, and it's a shame that the Denver HC position opened up after 2014, because we all wish Gary Kubiak had stayed here as OC.
But the contract he signed after the SB win showed that it's 'all about the money' with nothing to do about winning (if they'd have just had a tad bit more money to keep Anquan Boldin here....). This year he looked good, he had some above average WRs for a change (last year's group that left the team have ZERO receptions this year).
So.....sadly.....time to move on. If Flacco does play again, the run offense will go back to being horrible, the OC will throw 40-50 times, and it will be same inconsistent crap we've seen the past few years. Plus, the cap hit next year is a ridiculous $27M, so the Ravens might as well let the kid get more experience this year. Jackson showed some zip and threw a couple of really good looking long passes last week (a spot on 43 yarder called back because of a hold). None of the defenses he'll face the rest of the year are in the Top 25 except the Chargers. I hope the kid stays healthy, improves on his mechanics, and can come close to what Watson has as far as that 'IT Factor' some time in the future. He has already progressed far more than I would have initially predicted.
Maybe they'll get waxed 35-10 against the Falcons, or they'll run and run and run and use up 6-8 minutes on numerous drives as they've done the past two weeks. At least it will be 'interesting'.
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btw.....after the Sean Taylor doll and Reuben Foster missteps, if Daniel Snyder of the Potatoes needs a PR person for half the price and ten times the common sense, I am available.
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If the Chiefs do lose in the playoffs, it will be because they get outplayed, not because history dictates that the Chiefs must lose.
Well, as long as Andy Reid is there, history could definitely repeat itself. :lol
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If the Chiefs do lose in the playoffs, it will be because they get outplayed, not because history dictates that the Chiefs must lose.
Well, as long as Andy Reid is there, history could definitely repeat itself. :lol
I was the one that raised "history", and while I do think that some organizations have a "tradition" that is hard to overcome (they're just losers) I didn't mean what I said to be so abstract. I specifically meant that I think Andy Reid is a good coach, but not a Super Bowl winning coach. I think that when you get past the mid-season games and into the playoffs - one and done, and where little things make a huge difference - he can be the difference in a game, and his inability to move from a "Fuck it, what have we got to lose, let's go for it on 4th and 7 on our own 32 yard line" to a "let's manage the shit out of this game and do what we need to do to make sure that when the clock goes to 0:00, we have more points than they do." you're going to have problems, and problems that Mahomes (and more importantly Hill and Kelsce) aren't going to be able to change that. He's a HORRIBLE game manager, and an even worse clock manager. It's not just once; there are countless examples of Reid-coached games where the last two minutes turn into a debacle over simple, sometimes obvious decision-points.
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^Totally agree with that.
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Yes Reid has a track record... but his star was for the most part hitched to McNabb and Smith. Mahomes showed you how he's going to go down slinging it @LA. That game didn't end up in his favor, and I'm sure that he learned from it, especially with a bye week to think about it.
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I don't buy it. Mahomes didn't need to sling it in order to have a chance at going to OT. His coaching staff didn't have a plan for that scenario because that was probably one of the few times they were actually trailing at the end of the game.
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Anyone else get a kick out of Big Ben this week finding a way to blame everything but himself for the Broncos loss? Way to be a leader as always, Ben. :tdwn :tdwn
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Anyone else get a kick out of Big Ben this week finding a way to blame everything but himself for the Broncos loss? Way to be a leader as always, Ben. :tdwn :tdwn
Mike Tomlin's influence. Let them say ......anything!
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The score doesn't reflect how much of a beatdown that was. When they weren't shooting themselves in the foot Dallas was really dominating the Saints.
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Sean Payton's aggressiveness works more often than not, but I'll bet he's wishing he had taken that 3 in the first half instead of going for it 4th and goal.
Also, brutal night for the officials. Tons of bad and missed calls, for and against both teams.
All of that aside, Dallas earned that win.
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Anyone else get a kick out of Big Ben this week finding a way to blame everything but himself for the Broncos loss? Way to be a leader as always, Ben. :tdwn :tdwn
Yeah that’s not a good look. He used to always say “it’s on me” in post-game interviews so I’m not sure what’s changed. It should never have come down to that play at the end, I share the frustration that he threw 4 TD passes but only 1 ended up on the scoreboard.
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Anyone else get a kick out of Big Ben this week finding a way to blame everything but himself for the Broncos loss? Way to be a leader as always, Ben. :tdwn :tdwn
I found that funny as well, I'm not sure I'd call it a fluke when you throw the ball directly to the other team in the end zone :lol If Harris wasn't there, then Roby probably would've picked it off anyway.
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Anyone else get a kick out of Big Ben this week finding a way to blame everything but himself for the Broncos loss? Way to be a leader as always, Ben. :tdwn :tdwn
I found that funny as well, I'm not sure I'd call it a fluke when you throw the ball directly to the other team in the end zone :lol If Harris wasn't there, then Roby probably would've picked it off anyway.
Exactly. Ben tried to dismiss it as luck, like the lineman got blocked off the line so badly that he felt into an interception, but he ignored the fact that Roby had undercut A Brown and was there to make the pick as well.
Honestly, I think Ben is aggravated with what a circus the Steelers often are (and has been for years), and is taking the "don't blame me, it's not my fault the team isn't buttoned up" stance, but it's just a bad look for a star QB.
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No dog in the hunt, but why wasn't this a penalty (and possible ejection) last night?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6KONLwWbaw
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No dog in the hunt, but why wasn't this a penalty (and possible ejection) last night?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6KONLwWbaw
Because the refs had a really bad night. They missed several pretty obvious penalties. For what it's worth, both teams won some and lost some regarding missed penalties. It all evened out at the end. And at least in this case the league will fine Jaylon Smith, or have him shot, or something.
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I don't know that it ever really "evens out." When refs miss calls, either the number or timing will generally favor one team or the other. And in a close game, that's all it takes to swing the balance sometimes. But that's just the way it goes. Unless someone is going to claim that refs deliberately looked the other way to swing a game, that's life. They're human. They screw up. In real time, with all those bodies flying around and so much to watch for, things get missed that may seem obvious from the comfort of our armchairs or the broadcast booth.
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Anyone else get a kick out of Big Ben this week finding a way to blame everything but himself for the Broncos loss? Way to be a leader as always, Ben. :tdwn :tdwn
I found that funny as well, I'm not sure I'd call it a fluke when you throw the ball directly to the other team in the end zone :lol If Harris wasn't there, then Roby probably would've picked it off anyway.
Exactly. Ben tried to dismiss it as luck, like the lineman got blocked off the line so badly that he felt into an interception, but he ignored the fact that Roby had undercut A Brown and was there to make the pick as well.
Honestly, I think Ben is aggravated with what a circus the Steelers often are (and has been for years), and is taking the "don't blame me, it's not my fault the team isn't buttoned up" stance, but it's just a bad look for a star QB.
Devils advocate - Ben has typically taken responsibility for losses throughout his career. He has only does this in the past when he felt like calling guys out would potentially be an effective way to motivate them. Leaders can call other players out, that doesn't make them a bad leader. Also, for you to dismiss Ben's leadership on this team shows you don't know much about the Steelers. Ben is probably one of only a couple true team leaders left in that room after a large number of them have left from the early 2000s Super Bowl teams over the last handful of years.
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I don't know that it ever really "evens out." When refs miss calls, either the number or timing will generally favor one team or the other. And in a close game, that's all it takes to swing the balance sometimes.
Yeah, but this really wasn't a very close game. My point was that would have been a significant benefit to the Saints, but there was a missed facemask shortly after that would have been just as significant for Dallas.
But that's just the way it goes. Unless someone is going to claim that refs deliberately looked the other way to swing a game, that's life. They're human. They screw up. In real time, with all those bodies flying around and so much to watch for, things get missed that may seem obvious from the comfort of our armchairs or the broadcast booth.
This is spot-on, though. It's also why I get annoyed when people say somebody won thanks to the refs. Either there's a conspiracy and we're all watching a rebranding of WWE, or it's just the way things work, and we trust that they work the same for everybody.
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Chiefs got a new problem
https://www.tmz.com/2018/11/30/kc-chiefs-kareem-hunt-attacked-kicked-woman-surveillance-video/ (https://www.tmz.com/2018/11/30/kc-chiefs-kareem-hunt-attacked-kicked-woman-surveillance-video/)
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Was just about to post that.
Kareem Hunt is a POS. Stick a fork in him.
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Last night was a tale of two defensive halves. Saints scoreless in the 1st half and Dallas scoreless in the 2nd half. The only difference was Payton's decision to go for it on 4th down when they should've kicked a FG. Not to mention that he didn't use his challenges wisely and could've used them more wisely later in the game.
As far as the refs go, is there ever a single game where both teams don't get bad calls or no calls? It's extremely rare. It's something that every team has to live with at one point or another.
The H to H hit by Smith on Kamara should've been called and he will probably be fined by the league, but I don't think he meant to do it intentionally.
Smith on hit: "It is what it is."
Kamara on hit: "I came back out, didn't I?" :lol
BTW, Randy Gregory is an idiot. He single handedly almost cost Dallas that game. :\
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Was just about to post that.
Kareem Hunt is a POS. Stick a fork in him.
That is one hard push he gave. That girls head goes right into the wall and she is clearly dazed. The kick wasn't so bad in terms of being violent but holy hell is that one huge dick move to kick someone over like that. He really is a POS after watching that. And to think this is all because she didn't want to hook up with one of his friends?!
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The NFL really is a joke. The Hunt deal happened in February, and they knew about it at the very least in August, and probably a lot earlier. The big question will be whether or not it's another Ray Rice thing, where they claim to have not seen the video despite having viewed it early on.
And just another reminder, one of the league's own investigators said that the Ezekiel Elliot allegations were likely bullshit.
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The NFL really is a joke. The Hunt deal happened in February, and they knew about it at the very least in August, and probably a lot earlier. The big question will be whether or not it's another Ray Rice thing, where they claim to have not seen the video despite having viewed it early on.
And just another reminder, one of the league's own investigators said that the Ezekiel Elliot allegations were likely bullshit.
Yea, there is no consistency here. The article says the video was evidence for the police, which I don't understand why they didn't press any charges. Is it because he pushed his friend who then went into the girl? Like he didn't directly push the girl, or maybe he did but its hard to tell from the video, and therefor that's a bit harder to get a conviction? The kick was extremely douchey but not terribly violent but maybe one could still say that is assault? I don't know, the NFL once again needs to answer questions about their handling of domestic abuse.
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Maybe this is just me being a cranky old man or something, but it seems to me that if a player is involved in a 3AM altercation with a woman because she wouldn't fuck a member of his posse, maybe video of him kicking her ass isn't necessary to consider some disciplinary action.
The NFL is fucked any way this goes. They're supposed to be investigating these things independently of LEO. They knew about the event, and video was handed over to LEO. Either the NFL saw the video, willfully chose not to see the video, or is just fucking incompetent. Pleading the 3rd option is clearly in their best interest, but I think I'd bet on the second choice. Hard to say. There aren't any good answers, though.
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I picked up Spencer Ware a couple weeks ago in my fantasy league as a lotter ticket in case Kareem Hunt went down with an injury... I guess this works too :|
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This one's going to be a lot tougher for the Chiefs/NFL to sweep under the rug than the Tyreek Hill incident (choking and punching a pregnant woman in the stomach). I guess Hill set an example that you can get away with something like that before entering the NFL as long as you can produce like a superstar. It still amazes me how few NFL fans seem to be aware of that horrific incident.
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Unfortunately the masses need video footage to be outrage.
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https://twitter.com/TheBradShepard/status/1068307097023119360
Oh fuck yes! I can literally here dozens of XFL fans screaming in joy right outside my window as I type this.
Is the XFL like going out with a girl a couple times, then after getting dumped, coming back 10 years later and thinking "Hey, I wonder if she'd like to go out with me again?"
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This one's going to be a lot tougher for the Chiefs/NFL to sweep under the rug than the Tyreek Hill incident (choking and punching a pregnant woman in the stomach). I guess Hill set an example that you can get away with something like that before entering the NFL as long as you can produce like a superstar. It still amazes me how few NFL fans seem to be aware of that horrific incident.
What about Joe Mixon cold cocking a woman and still getting a big NFL contract?
Also, the Chiefs cut Hunt. They are taking the "he lied to us about the incident" stance, but which means they can act like they thought what happened amounted to nothing.
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Well, in fairness, if they hadn't seen the video, it sounds like there was a lot of conflicting information being given by the different parties. I would find it difficult to discipline a player when the whole story wasn't known.
Now, if they did see the video and they did nothing, there deserve to be heads rolling.
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What about Joe Mixon cold cocking a woman and still getting a big NFL contract?
Holy shit, that' boy's got a fast right.
I hadn't seen the video before. Johnny would have called that an offsetting penalty. Maybe even self defense (she did put his hands on his neck). The league, as we'll see with Hunt, needed to question why he put himself into the situation in the first place, though. He went into the restaurant to confront some people and this was the result.
Well, in fairness, if they hadn't seen the video, it sounds like there was a lot of conflicting information being given by the different parties. I would find it difficult to discipline a player when the whole story wasn't known.
Now, if they did see the video and they did nothing, there deserve to be heads rolling.
Like I said about Mixon, it shouldn't take video of an assault to result in some discipline. If a player gets into a brawl in a hotel at 0300 there's a problem, regardless of whether or not he kicked a girl. At lease if we're going to pretend that the NFL cares about this stuff, really. Seems to me there's a direction of proof issue here. The league looks to prove he did something wrong. Maybe they should be looking to see if he did things right.
edit: Just read up on the Mixon thing and it seems my take was wrong on a variety of levels. He wasn't in the league yet, so that's that. This is mostly a reflection on the Bengals, and insofar as them drafting a scumbag, what else is new.
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We’ll see whether or not turns out to be right over time, but a text from a former player on the Chiefs and Kareem Hunt: “This type of (stuff) just derails a team. They won’t recover.”
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And when they don't, it will be all Andy Reid's fault, right, Stadler? :P
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To paraphrase a former coach, they'll rally around Spencer Ware, and they'll play good football.
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I don't think it tanks them outright, but that three game stretch of Bal, SD, and Sea just got a whole lot tougher. I think the end result will be them losing that number 1 seed. Big winners in this are Houston, which will likely swap places with them, and NE which won't have to play a potential AFC-CG in KC.
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Why do I watch the Giants games? This is a weekend routine of getting kicked in the balls. What an epic comeback for the Bears. I'm expecting them to win this in OT now.
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Why do I watch the Giants games? This is a weekend routine of getting kicked in the balls. What an epic comeback for the Bears. I'm expecting them to win this in OT now.
I can't believe it
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Right now the Giants are driving. I think they actually have a shot at the upset.
EDIT: and there it is. Huge win for the Giants, and tremendous loss for the Bears, who are fighting for their division and playoff seeding. They probably just kissed their slim chances at a week off in the playoffs goodbye.
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Aaron Rodgers is either hurt or has completely gone F.U. to Mike McCarthy.
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One thing I will give the Patriots: getting a bad call (or no-call) in their favor is always like an adrenaline shot to them in their home games. Get away with blatant PI on defense (on the 3rd down play, not 1st), and then go right down the field on offense and get a TD.
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The refs at this game are letting them play and I'm happy about that.
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And with that, my first bitch. How was that call not overturned? He did not get the 1st down. Even with replay refs blow it.
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Aaron Rodgers is either hurt or has completely gone F.U. to Mike McCarthy.
I’ve also wondered if he’s intentionally tanking to get McCarthy fired. Or that he just doesn’t have it anymore. But I hadn’t thought of him being injured. As many sacks as he’s taken, I wouldn’t be surprised.
I’d also be surprised if McCarthy escapes the week, let alone the season, with his job. Losing at home to AZ just doesn’t look good for him. At all.
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And with that, my first bitch. How was that call not overturned? He did not get the 1st down. Even with replay refs blow it.
That forward progress thing was nonsense. On the bright side we got to see Bill yell to "shut the fuck up!" at Adam Theilen's silly ass.
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Aaron Rodgers is either hurt or has completely gone F.U. to Mike McCarthy.
I’ve also wondered if he’s intentionally tanking to get McCarthy fired. Or that he just doesn’t have it anymore. But I hadn’t thought of him being injured. As many sacks as he’s taken, I wouldn’t be surprised.
I’d also be surprised if McCarthy escapes the week, let alone the season, with his job. Losing at home to AZ just doesn’t look good for him. At all.
Good call. They fired him!
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And with that, my first bitch. How was that call not overturned? He did not get the 1st down. Even with replay refs blow it.
That forward progress thing was nonsense. On the bright side we got to see Bill yell to "shut the fuck up!" at Adam Theilen's silly ass.
I was waiting for Bill to use some "Force Lightning" on his ass.
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Aaron Rodgers is either hurt or has completely gone F.U. to Mike McCarthy.
They JUST broke with a game break announcement that McCarthy has been fired. :eek
EDIT ------buuuuuuttt you knew that already apparently. :facepalm: :loser:
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And with that, my first bitch. How was that call not overturned? He did not get the 1st down. Even with replay refs blow it.
That forward progress thing was nonsense. On the bright side we got to see Bill yell to "shut the fuck up!" at Adam Theilen's silly ass.
I was waiting for Bill to use some "Force Lightning" on his ass.
That definitely pissed him off. :lol
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One thing I will give the Patriots: getting a bad call (or no-call) in their favor is always like an adrenaline shot to them in their home games. Get away with blatant PI on defense (on the 3rd down play, not 1st), and then go right down the field on offense and get a TD.
(https://media.makeameme.org/created/huh-r8odlp.jpg)
And with that, my first bitch. How was that call not overturned? He did not get the 1st down. Even with replay refs blow it.
That forward progress thing was nonsense. On the bright side we got to see Bill yell to "shut the fuck up!" at Adam Theilen's silly ass.
I was waiting for Bill to use some "Force Lightning" on his ass.
That definitely pissed him off. :lol
How does the greatest coach of all time not know which leg his red flag is in?
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McCarthy was definitely the dead man walking, but I figured they'd give til the end of the season. I guess they're wanting to give Philben a tryout.
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Losing at home to the Cardinals was obviously the final straw. That is rock bottom.
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Browns/Bengals this year with Hue Jackson on their coaching staff: 2-8-1
Browns/Bengals this year without Hue Jackson on their coaching staff: 7-6
:lol :lol :lol
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God damn, Terry Bradshaw. Dude seems kind of pissed off about McCarthy, and pissed off at Rodgers. "Today is Aaron Rodger's 36th birthday. [looks into camera] 'Happy birthday, Aaron. Your coach is fired.' [shakes head in disbelief]"
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McCarthy was definitely the dead man walking, but I figured they'd give til the end of the season. I guess they're wanting to give Philben a tryout.
Philbin has zero chance to be HC next season. They will go outside the organization for sure.
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McCarthy was definitely the dead man walking, but I figured they'd give til the end of the season. I guess they're wanting to give Philben a tryout.
Philbin has zero chance to be HC next season. They will go outside the organization for sure.
That certainly seems to be the conventional wisdom. If that's the case, the Bradshaw's probably right. It was a gift for Rodgers.
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Ravens - two easy games for Lamar Jackson, but what will happen when he faces a real team?
My stepdaughter attended Delaware, and we attended five games during the two years that Flacco played there, including a wild 59-52 win at Navy (https://www.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stories/102707acr.html). So we've had more than a 'love affair' with Joe in Baltimore, good Joe or not so good Joe. I mean, other than Testaverde for a couple of years in the 90s, and McNair in 2006, QB was a sore spot for this franchise. Every game during his first seven years meant something, and it's a shame that the Denver HC position opened up after 2014, because we all wish Gary Kubiak had stayed here as OC.
But the contract he signed after the SB win showed that it's 'all about the money' with nothing to do about winning (if they'd have just had a tad bit more money to keep Anquan Boldin here....). This year he looked good, he had some above average WRs for a change (last year's group that left the team have ZERO receptions this year).
So.....sadly.....time to move on. If Flacco does play again, the run offense will go back to being horrible, the OC will throw 40-50 times, and it will be same inconsistent crap we've seen the past few years. Plus, the cap hit next year is a ridiculous $27M, so the Ravens might as well let the kid get more experience this year. Jackson showed some zip and threw a couple of really good looking long passes last week (a spot on 43 yarder called back because of a hold). None of the defenses he'll face the rest of the year are in the Top 25 except the Chargers. I hope the kid stays healthy, improves on his mechanics, and can come close to what Watson has as far as that 'IT Factor' some time in the future. He has already progressed far more than I would have initially predicted.
Maybe they'll get waxed 35-10 against the Falcons, or they'll run and run and run and use up 6-8 minutes on numerous drives as they've done the past two weeks. At least it will be 'interesting'.
Damn....DragonAttack...you know a thing or two about the game, doncha?" ;)
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The most Tomlin thing ever. Rivers throws a pass right into the DB’s hands but his asshole teammate knocks him silly and the ball falls right into the receiver’s hands for a TD. Unbelievable.
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So Collinsworth and Michaels both agree the refs gave the Chargers 2 TDs.
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Great win by the Chargers! They earned that one.
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Yup...and suddenly, if not for a deflected OT FG by the Browns, the Ravens would be tied for the divisional lead.
As is, the Steelers are 7-4-1, the Ravens 7-5.
btw...the rough recap of the Ravens-Falcons game:
Total Plays 77-45
Total Yards 366-131
It's called 'old school, boring' football.
And I loved it.
Bring on the Chiefs.....I like our chances at Arrowhead next weekend.
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This thread title change almost gave me a heart attack because I have Butker in 2 of my 3 fantasy leagues then I got the joke. Well played. ;D
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One thing I will give the Patriots: getting a bad call (or no-call) in their favor is always like an adrenaline shot to them in their home games. Get away with blatant PI on defense (on the 3rd down play, not 1st), and then go right down the field on offense and get a TD.
(https://media.makeameme.org/created/huh-r8odlp.jpg)
And with that, my first bitch. How was that call not overturned? He did not get the 1st down. Even with replay refs blow it.
That forward progress thing was nonsense. On the bright side we got to see Bill yell to "shut the fuck up!" at Adam Theilen's silly ass.
I was waiting for Bill to use some "Force Lightning" on his ass.
That definitely pissed him off. :lol
How does the greatest coach of all time not know which leg his red flag is in?
I swear to you, I said EXACTLY the same thing to my wife. I even replayed it to watch it again. It looked like my dad fumbling for his wallet at the Target checkout.
But that "Shut the fuck up!" was golden. I'd actually love to be Thielen though; he can tell his grandkids "yeah, the greatest football coach in the history of the game told me, twice, on national TV to "Shut the fuck up." I'd send a still of that as my christmas card each year. :)
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If I recall correctly Bill has bitched about the red flag in the past. He thinks it's silly. A coach should be able to walk over the official right in front of him and say "we're challenging that." If you do the official's going to say "Now, Bill, you know you have to throw the flag first," like some condescending kindergarten teacher. Him fumbling for it certainly reflects his frustration, and the beautifully half-assed way he threw it showed his contempt. I was laughing about that toss before Theilen showed up.
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If I recall correctly Bill has bitched about the red flag in the past. He thinks it's silly. A coach should be able to walk over the official right in front of him and say "we're challenging that." If you do the official's going to say "Now, Bill, you know you have to throw the flag first," like some condescending kindergarten teacher. Him fumbling for it certainly reflects his frustration, and the beautifully half-assed way he threw it showed his contempt. I was laughing about that toss before Theilen showed up.
Hearing Joe Buck's sarcasm on the throw added too it. Too funny.
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Great win by the Chargers! They earned that one.
Yeah, with a little help from the refs. :lol I realize bad calls or no calls are just the way it goes sometimes. However, that no call false start resulting in a TD has to be the all-time bonehead no call in NFL history. How does a line judge not see that?
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Great win by the Chargers! They earned that one.
Yeah, with a little help from the refs. :lol I realize bad calls or no calls are just the way it goes sometimes. However, that no call false start resulting in a TD has to be the all-time bonehead no call in NFL history. How does a line judge not see that?
Agreed. I guess I have been conditioned to not care when calls go against the Steelers, because of a) Super Bowl 40, and b) the attitude of Steelers fans, who when bad calls go their way, say, "You have to overcome bad calls," and when bad calls don't go their way, act like it is the crime of the century.
If I recall correctly Bill has bitched about the red flag in the past. He thinks it's silly. A coach should be able to walk over the official right in front of him and say "we're challenging that." If you do the official's going to say "Now, Bill, you know you have to throw the flag first," like some condescending kindergarten teacher. Him fumbling for it certainly reflects his frustration, and the beautifully half-assed way he threw it showed his contempt. I was laughing about that toss before Theilen showed up.
I think the red flag is good to make it official, otherwise you'd have a coach say he is going to challenge it, only to have an assistant coach, after seeing another replay, tell him not to challenge it, and then the coach will say he never said he wanted to challenge it (and that would absolutely happen at times). The red flag makes it to where there is no ambiguity.
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Great win by the Chargers! They earned that one.
Yeah, with a little help from the refs. :lol I realize bad calls or no calls are just the way it goes sometimes. However, that no call false start resulting in a TD has to be the all-time bonehead no call in NFL history. How does a line judge not see that?
Agreed. I guess I have been conditioned to not care when calls go against the Steelers, because of a) Super Bowl 40, and b) the attitude of Steelers fans, who when bad calls go their way, say, "You have to overcome bad calls," and when bad calls don't go their way, act like it is the crime of the century.
Actually, I didn't really care either in regards to a) and b) above. :tup :lol
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And now the Skins/Kap dynamic has changed considerably. Now Snyder should offer him a job knowing that the reply will be "are you out of your fucking mind!" just to score easy points in the collusion case. TJ Yates, the next 3rd tier QB likely to be deemed better than Kap, should be taking out a massive insurance policy on his legs.
And the refs have been remarkably bad this year. They're looking like those replacement refs a few years back. One's already been fired for blowing calls, and every weekend we see bad calls that are every bit as bad. Not sure what's going on with that. It's not like the rules regarding false start and encroachment have changed.
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I still don't see how Kaepernick improves their situation.
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And now the Skins/Kap dynamic has changed considerably. Now Snyder should offer him a job knowing that the reply will be "are you out of your fucking mind!" just to score easy points in the collusion case. TJ Yates, the next 3rd tier QB likely to be deemed better than Kap, should be taking out a massive insurance policy on his legs.
And the refs have been remarkably bad this year. They're looking like those replacement refs a few years back. One's already been fired for blowing calls, and every weekend we see bad calls that are every bit as bad. Not sure what's going on with that. It's not like the rules regarding false start and encroachment have changed.
+1 on the refs. It'd be one thing if they were corrected with replay or consultation but not even. I'm almost getting tired of hearing T-Roy saying "I don't see that at all" when it comes to a call/no-call.
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And now the Skins/Kap dynamic has changed considerably. Now Snyder should offer him a job knowing that the reply will be "are you out of your fucking mind!" just to score easy points in the collusion case. TJ Yates, the next 3rd tier QB likely to be deemed better than Kap, should be taking out a massive insurance policy on his legs.
And the refs have been remarkably bad this year. They're looking like those replacement refs a few years back. One's already been fired for blowing calls, and every weekend we see bad calls that are every bit as bad. Not sure what's going on with that. It's not like the rules regarding false start and encroachment have changed.
+1 on the refs. It'd be one thing if they were corrected with replay or consultation but not even. I'm almost getting tired of hearing T-Roy saying "I don't see that at all" when it comes to a call/no-call.
Troy's becoming more entertaining as he gets older and crankier. He's getting more and more outspoken about what he doesn't like or agree with. I always figured Romo would be the one to get in trouble for swearing on the air, but now I keep expecting to hear an exasperated sigh and "that's bullshit" from Troy.
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I heard Jets fans are clamoring for a return of Rex Ryan to liven things up and get the team motivated. If the Jets seriously bring that ass clown back into the fold, you heard it here first -- all my Jets jerseys and apparel will be donated. That guy is a classless idiot, and I can't believe fellow fans would want him back. Sure, Todd Bowles has not been a great head coach at all. And I want him out. But bringing back Ryan? That's the last thing this franchise needs. Thankfully, ownership probably doesn't give a shit what some fans think. But if it happens, there will be a nice donation box for Goodwill from my house.
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I always figured Romo would be the one to get in trouble for swearing on the air, but now I keep expecting to hear an exasperated sigh and "that's bullshit" from Troy.
That would be so fantastic.
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Yes, it would be and he probably wouldn't get in trouble either. At least not like Jaws did when he said shit on MNF. That was hilarious. :lol
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And now the Skins/Kap dynamic has changed considerably. Now Snyder should offer him a job knowing that the reply will be "are you out of your fucking mind!" just to score easy points in the collusion case. TJ Yates, the next 3rd tier QB likely to be deemed better than Kap, should be taking out a massive insurance policy on his legs.
And the refs have been remarkably bad this year. They're looking like those replacement refs a few years back. One's already been fired for blowing calls, and every weekend we see bad calls that are every bit as bad. Not sure what's going on with that. It's not like the rules regarding false start and encroachment have changed.
+1 on the refs. It'd be one thing if they were corrected with replay or consultation but not even. I'm almost getting tired of hearing T-Roy saying "I don't see that at all" when it comes to a call/no-call.
Troy's becoming more entertaining as he gets older and crankier. He's getting more and more outspoken about what he doesn't like or agree with. I always figured Romo would be the one to get in trouble for swearing on the air, but now I keep expecting to hear an exasperated sigh and "that's bullshit" from Troy.
I love that team; I know Joe Buck is polarizing, but I like him and Troy is turning into a really good announcer (I don't know if the "cranky" plays into that).
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Can change thread title to "Brandon Browner Sent Packing."
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I've always thought Troy was good. He knows what he's talking about and breaks it down pretty well. Joe gets a little corny from time to time but I still like him.
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Can change thread title to "Brandon Browner Sent Packing."
Sentenced to 8 years for attempted murder and 5 yards for defensive holding against the bailiff.
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Pre-Week 14 Power Rankings
1. Rams - those kind of ugly road wins are character builders
2. Saints - they'll be fine, but that loss could cost them the 1 seed
3. Chiefs - Kareem Hunt drama could be their undoing
4. Patriots - that "awful" defense continues to lead them to wins
5. Chargers - big road comeback win
6. Texans - have a real shot at a bye
7. Bears - tough loss, but going 1-1 in road games without their QB ain't bad
8. Cowboys - impressive win thanks to that defense, which is legit
9. Seahawks - no one should be surprised by this
10. Steelers - this team is a mess
Trending up:
Ravens - how will Lamar Jackson do when he plays a real defense?
Broncos - will likely finish strong, but probably won't be enough to get them in the playoffs
Bucs - will they consider giving Winston one more year?
Giants - Barkley is the offensive rookie of the year
Cardinals - when you're 2-9 and win at GB, that means the arrow is pointing up
Trending down:
Packers - felt like the team wanted McCarthy to get fired
Panthers - stunning plummet after a 6-2 start
Redskins - hard to recover after losing your starting QB, and now they've lost their backup
Falcons - defense isn't good, but even the offense isn't playing well
Benglas - what a joke this franchise is
Top 5 MVP Contenders
1. Patrick Mahomes - back in the lead
2. Drew Brees - just had the setback that could cost him the award
3. Philip Rivers - finally getting his props, but needs some playoff success
4. Jared Goff - still hard to believe how bad he was his rookie season
5. Russell Wilson - his greatness and value has never been more obvious
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Anybody remember way back in 2018 when Josh McDaniels burned any chance of ever getting another head coaching job outside of NE by ghosting the Colts? Eh, neither does anybody else, apparently.
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Anybody remember way back in 2018 when Josh McDaniels burned any chance of ever getting another head coaching job outside of NE by ghosting the Colts? Eh, neither does anybody else, apparently.
He won't be ghosting the Packers, I can guarantee you that. I think that's a great gig for him.
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Today, the XFL officially announced Seattle will have a team.
Yesterday, the NHL officially announced Seattle would receive an expansion team.
In the span of 24 hours, Seattle was granted two professional sports teams.
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XFL will be far more successful this time around. They might even last two seasons. I will say that taking over the Ranger's old stadium is a pretty good idea, though. Even if it does only delay its inevitable implosion by a couple of years.
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Pre-Week 14 Power Rankings
1. Rams - those kind of ugly road wins are character builders
2. Saints - they'll be fine, but that loss could cost them the 1 seed
3. Chiefs - Kareem Hunt drama could be their undoing
4. Patriots - that "awful" defense continues to lead them to wins
5. Chargers - big road comeback win
6. Texans - have a real shot at a bye
7. Bears - tough loss, but going 1-1 in road games without their QB ain't bad
8. Cowboys - impressive win thanks to that defense, which is legit
9. Seahawks - no one should be surprised by this
10. Steelers - this team is a mess
Trending up:
Ravens - how will Lamar Jackson do when he plays a real defense?
Broncos - will likely finish strong, but probably won't be enough to get them in the playoffs
Bucs - will they consider giving Winston one more year?
Giants - Barkley is the offensive rookie of the year
Cardinals - when you're 2-9 and win at GB, that means the arrow is pointing up
Trending down:
Packers - felt like the team wanted McCarthy to get fired
Panthers - stunning plummet after a 6-2 start
Redskins - hard to recover after losing your starting QB, and now they've lost their backup
Falcons - defense isn't good, but even the offense isn't playing well
Benglas - what a joke this franchise is
Top 5 MVP Contenders
1. Patrick Mahomes - back in the lead
2. Drew Brees - just had the setback that could cost him the award
3. Philip Rivers - finally getting his props, but needs some playoff success
4. Jared Goff - still hard to believe how bad he was his rookie season
5. Russell Wilson - his greatness and value has never been more obvious
I feel it's the Rams year. Sure the the NFC will be tough but there's a confidence in their play right now.
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Anybody remember way back in 2018 when Josh McDaniels burned any chance of ever getting another head coaching job outside of NE by ghosting the Colts? Eh, neither does anybody else, apparently.
You'd think no one would touch him but these owners are can't help themselves.
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3. Chiefs - Kareem Hunt drama could be their undoing
6. Texans - have a real shot at a bye
One thing leads to another. I have the Chiefs dropping one or two now that they might have otherwise won, and the Texans should win out. The Bolts are the wildcard in all of this, but my model has the Texans taking the #2.
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Anybody remember way back in 2018 when Josh McDaniels burned any chance of ever getting another head coaching job outside of NE by ghosting the Colts? Eh, neither does anybody else, apparently.
You'd think no one would touch him but these owners are can't help themselves.
Nah, any team would consider him. They'll just be more cautious bout handshake deals. My dig was at the media and the radio-folk who were looking for stuff to babble on about.
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Here's what I have:
AFC:
1. Texans (13-3)
2. Pats (13-3)
3. Chargers (13-3)
4. Ravens (10-6)
5. Chiefs (12-4)
6. Steelers (9-6-1)
NFC:
1. Saints (14-2)
2. Rams (14-2)
3. Bears (12-4)
4. Cowboys (11-5)
5. Vikings (9-6-1)
6. Seahawks (9-7)
But some games are such a tossup, and these races are so close. A couple of games going differently could completely alter that picture. But the interesting thing is, if these go down basically how I mapped them out going into week 17, pretty much NOBODY can rest their starters except maybe the Bears and Cowboys.
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Re: McDaniels, once teams/owners get their mind made up about someone, good luck changing it.
Case in point: Kyle Shanahan totally shit the bed with his play calling in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl two years ago, yet the 49ers were still all-too-happy to throw lots of money at him days later because their minds were already made up.
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Anybody remember way back in 2018 when Josh McDaniels burned any chance of ever getting another head coaching job outside of NE by ghosting the Colts? Eh, neither does anybody else, apparently.
You'd think no one would touch him but these owners are can't help themselves.
Nah, any team would consider him. They'll just be more cautious bout handshake deals. My dig was at the media and the radio-folk who were looking for stuff to babble on about.
I'm so used to it. Media looks for any crazy angle and the league looks to ignore anything until visual proof forces them to respond.
Remember the days when the beat reporters like Will McDonough had all the dirt on the NFL but his it to get other juicy stories? Those days are long gone.
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Today, the XFL officially announced Seattle will have a team.
Yesterday, the NHL officially announced Seattle would receive an expansion team.
In the span of 24 hours, Seattle was granted two professional sports teams.
"Professional" being used in the loosest sense of the term. ;D
Here's what I have:
AFC:
1. Texans (13-3)
2. Pats (13-3)
3. Chargers (13-3)
4. Ravens (10-6)
5. Chiefs (12-4)
6. Steelers (9-6-1)
NFC:
1. Saints (14-2)
2. Rams (14-2)
3. Bears (12-4)
4. Cowboys (11-5)
5. Vikings (9-6-1)
6. Seahawks (9-7)
Probably a bit of wishful thinking on my part, but I came up with the following:
AFC
1. Chiefs (13-3)
2. Patriots (12-4)
3. Texans (12-4)
4. Steelers (10-5-1)
5. Chargers (11-5)
6. Broncos (10-6)
NFC
1. Saints (14-2)
2. Rams (14-2)
3. Bears (11-5)
4. Cowboys (9-7)
5. Seahawks (11-5)
6. Vikings (9-6-1)
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Anybody remember way back in 2018 when Josh McDaniels burned any chance of ever getting another head coaching job outside of NE by ghosting the Colts? Eh, neither does anybody else, apparently.
You'd think no one would touch him but these owners are can't help themselves.
Nah, any team would consider him. They'll just be more cautious bout handshake deals. My dig was at the media and the radio-folk who were looking for stuff to babble on about.
I'm so used to it. Media looks for any crazy angle and the league looks to ignore anything until visual proof forces them to respond.
Remember the days when the beat reporters like Will McDonough had all the dirt on the NFL but his it to get other juicy stories? Those days are long gone.
Will McDonough was a weird guy, and I know there's controversy around him (some of it fascinating) but he knew his shit.
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He stood up to any coach. A tough SOB. They don't make em like him anymore.
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I would be very upset if the Seahawks managed to get to 11-5.
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I would be very upset if the Seahawks managed to get to 11-5.
Same
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Why the Seahawks hate? Most of the hateable jerkoffs are gone.
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Anybody remember way back in 2018 when Josh McDaniels burned any chance of ever getting another head coaching job outside of NE by ghosting the Colts? Eh, neither does anybody else, apparently.
You'd think no one would touch him but these owners are can't help themselves.
I would LOVE having Josh McDaniels in Pittsburgh, but the Rooneys don't work that way. It'll be another 10 years before they're on the Sean McVay train.
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Anybody remember way back in 2018 when Josh McDaniels burned any chance of ever getting another head coaching job outside of NE by ghosting the Colts? Eh, neither does anybody else, apparently.
You'd think no one would touch him but these owners are can't help themselves.
I would LOVE having Josh McDaniels in Pittsburgh, but the Rooneys don't work that way. It'll be another 10 years before they're on the Sean McVay train.
So very true. There seems to be a swell of Pitt fans wanting to get rid of Tomlin.
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That happens every year. :lol :lol
Tomlin is obviously a good coach, but his team seemingly underachieves every year.
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Why the Seahawks hate? Most of the hateable jerkoffs are gone.
I'm with you Chris, GO HAWKS!!!
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Pitt is as unpredictable as I had previously predicted. :rollin
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That happens every year. :lol :lol
Tomlin is obviously a good coach, but his team seemingly underachieves every year.
:lol. Seems much louder this year.
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Perhaps, but there is virtually no chance of the Steelers firing him anytime soon.
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I told my 16yo son a couple days ago that the Steelers have only had three head coaches since I was a kid (in fact, since I was 15 months old). He was astounded (given "how old" I am....).
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You never know when you're going to see history. Just the 2nd 99 yard TD run in NFL history.
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Thanks to some terrible attempts at tackling by the Jags D, who clearly don't give a crap tonight after getting "up" to play the Colts last week.
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Perhaps, but there is virtually no chance of the Steelers firing him anytime soon.
There isn't. They won't for obvious reasons (their philosophy). And even though I get VERY frustrated with him at times, I'm not sure there is a better coach actually available. That's the bigger issue in my mind. Philosophy aside, why would they fire him unless there is a clearly better option? His regular season record speaks for himself. The Steelers mindset has been for a while - put a team together that is good enough to make the playoffs, that's the goal. Then maybe you'll get lucky one year, but they view the playoffs as a crap-shoot. So their team is designed to simply make the playoffs. Tomlin does that.
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Why the Seahawks hate? Most of the hateable jerkoffs are gone.
Pete Carroll is still there. He's not a "hateable jerkoff" but I don't really like him much. (Fucker does look good for 67, though, I'll give him that.)
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Why the Seahawks hate? Most of the hateable jerkoffs are gone.
Pete Carroll is still there. He's not a "hateable jerkoff" but I don't really like him much. (Fucker does look good for 67, though, I'll give him that.)
I like Pete Carroll. He might actually be a better game manager than Belichick. I gained a ton of respect for him after the super bowl loss. He's certainly deficient (to Bill, that is) in other areas, but I consider him the closes the closest he has to a peer.
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Why the Seahawks hate? Most of the hateable jerkoffs are gone.
Pete Carroll is still there. He's not a "hateable jerkoff" but I don't really like him much. (Fucker does look good for 67, though, I'll give him that.)
I like Pete Carroll. He might actually be a better game manager than Belichick. I gained a ton of respect for him after the super bowl loss. He's certainly deficient (to Bill, that is) in other areas, but I consider him the closes the closest he has to a peer.
Probably can't argue with that. He does seem to get the most out of players that were fair to middling elsewhere too (and who leave and are... fair to middling). Got to admire that.
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Why the Seahawks hate? Most of the hateable jerkoffs are gone.
I'm just tired of them more than anything else. Seems like we play them every year. Just tired of them.
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Why the Seahawks hate? Most of the hateable jerkoffs are gone.
Pete Carroll is still there.
This. And Wilson. And some of their defense.
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Pete Carroll is just shady. Great coach, yeah, but look at how he bailed on USC after getting them in hot water.
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Pete gets a pass up here because of his youthful enthusiasm and general likeability (unlike say a Belichick). Bringing a city its first major sports championship in almost 40 years also helps.
Wilson... he is definitely a bit of an enigma. Again, winning a team's first Super Bowl and doing it without controversy goes a long way. I can see why people wouldn't run out to buy his jersey, but in a league with so many hateable players, I don't get why he is high on the list.
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I like Wilson, quite a bit, and Carroll is okay.
What makes me hate Seattle is that fucking electric green in their uniforms. That isn't football, it just... wrong, man.
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Why the Seahawks hate? Most of the hateable jerkoffs are gone.
Pete Carroll is still there.
This. And Wilson. And some of their defense.
And they're NFC West and our teams are NFC West... that's enough right there!
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Wilson... he is definitely a bit of an enigma. Again, winning a team's first Super Bowl and doing it without controversy goes a long way. I can see why people wouldn't run out to buy his jersey, but in a league with so many hateable players, I don't get why he is high on the list.
I've always liked him, thought he was a beast in college and while small, made it work in the NFL while being a stand up dude. I understand why he isn't a top liked player, but never understood the hate.
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There is very little hate for Russell Wilson, a segment of 49ers fans notwithstanding. He is well-liked and well-respected by most, largely because he is a great player and a classic individual. :tup :tup
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I like Russel Wilson.
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Thank you NFL owners for this arena bowl football I'm watching in Miami today.
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After looking like the '99 Rams for a better of a month, tearing defenses apart left and right, the Saints have now scored 13 points in the last six quarters. :eek :eek
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Referees continue to suck ass. I don't know how challenging a fumble recovery after a big scrum works, but that was definitely Patriot's ball.
And yeah, I'm wondering if Dallas broke the Saints.
Dolphins are having to use motion on their punts now. :lol
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Man the Pats are trying to give this game away.
1. Missed extra point.
2. Not getting a Field Goal before halftime.
3. Missed Field Goal.
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Are you fucking kidding me?
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Are you fucking kidding me?
Patriots aren't good tacklers. They had a TE in instead of a safety. Miami executed that perfectly, and made some great blocks.
Go Baltimore!
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Are you fucking kidding me?
Patriots aren't good tacklers. They had a TE in instead of a safety. Miami executed that perfectly, and made some great blocks.
Go Baltimore!
Crazy to think that with Houston and New England going down, if Baltimore pulls off the upset, the Chargers would be able to win their way to home field advantage.
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Watching that game right now!
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Go Dolphins!!
This Ravens/Chiefs is the best game of the season.
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Well, not this year for the Pats. Their play won't get them by the Divisional round
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That was pathetic.
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How can Tomlin possibly defend this latest gaffe?? Refusing to use his timeouts while Oak marched for the go-ahead score. Resulted in a field goal on a slippery field instead of having plenty of time to try for a TD. I HATE Tomlin, and I HATE kickers.
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Just be happy your head coach isn't Vance Joseph. If he's brought back next season, Elway is officially out of his mind.
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You two make me feel better. Lol
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The Steelers are in real trouble. They always struggle against the Patriots anyway, and Belichick is gonna be in a foul mood this week, relative to his normal foulness. :lol :lol
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Right now the Chiefs and Chargers look like the class of the AFC.
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The Steelers are in real trouble. They always struggle against the Patriots anyway, and Belichick is gonna be in a foul mood this week, relative to his normal foulness. :lol :lol
You want me to send you his Monday interview he does weekly on a local sports radio? Lol
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Haha, I will pass. I already deal with two cranky older men at work every day...don't need a third on a Monday. :lol :lol
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If Cleveland wins out, they could steal the NFC North, and it's a legitimate possibility too. Baltimore and Pittsburgh have tough schedules. Should the Ravens go 1-1 over the next two weeks against the Buccaneers and Chargers, they'll be 8-7 going into their Week 17 showdown against the Browns. Meanwhile, the Steelers could easily go 0-2 against the Patriots and Saints, putting them at 7-7-1 with a game against Cincinnati to finish out the season. The Browns on the other hand have games against the Broncos and Bengals and could realistically go 2-0, putting them at 7-7-1 with the aforementioned game against the Ravens standing in between them and a chance at the playoffs. If Cleveland beats Baltimore and Cincinnati decides to play spoiler to Pittsburgh, the Browns are the 2018 AFC North Champions at 8-7-1.
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Pete gets a pass up here because of his youthful enthusiasm and general likeability (unlike say a Belichick). Bringing a city its first major sports championship in almost 40 years also helps.
And yet that’s exactly why Belichick is loved in New England.
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Haha, I will pass. I already deal with two cranky older men at work every day...don't need a third on a Monday. :lol :lol
:lol
You'd laugh so hard. He's not very talkative on a radio show when they lose. lol
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To the Dolphins, this will be the highlight of their season.
For the Patriots, this will be an afterthought for what looks to be another deep playoff run.
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To the Dolphins, this will be the highlight of their season.
For the Patriots, this will be an afterthought for what looks to be another deep playoff run.
I'm not sure how deep this year DOC. There is something off this yard with the team which makes 9-4 seem good but they can't win on the road. They might not get the 2 seed.
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To the Dolphins, this will be the highlight of their season.
For the Patriots, this will be an afterthought for what looks to be another deep playoff run.
I'm not sure how deep this year DOC. There is something off this yard with the team which makes 9-4 seem good but they can't win on the road. They might not get the 2 seed.
I'm with Doc here. NE's trouble will come in the ACG. Unless they seriously blunder (like yesterday) they'll still have a first round bye. They'll play up for the divisional game. The problem is if they have to go to KC. Of the remaining teams LAC are the only one that are really concerning, and @KC.
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How can Tomlin possibly defend this latest gaffe?? Refusing to use his timeouts while Oak marched for the go-ahead score. Resulted in a field goal on a slippery field instead of having plenty of time to try for a TD. I HATE Tomlin, and I HATE kickers.
Even better yet, he admitted post game that Ben had been cleared to go back out and play and Tomlin kept him out for a whole series before sending him back in because they were in the "flow of the game".... What. The. Heck. By flow of the game I guess he means Dobbs trying not to get completely dominated out there...
That might be one of the dumbest things he's done and furthermore - he admitted it :lol If he hadn't of said that, we wouldn't even have known.
As for the kicker, I honestly laughed when Boswell fell. He's been so bad this year and the team has been dragging their feet to get a new kicker in there for some mysterious reason. This should (hopefully) force their hand.
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While that is a high percentage, the Texans can win out and we lose one and The Pats are in the wildcard game.
They have the Jets, Eagles & Jaguars.
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Are you fucking kidding me?
I was flying home yesterday and missed any football but OMG that ending was insane :lol but
To the Dolphins, this will be the highlight of their season.
For the Patriots, this will be an afterthought for what looks to be another deep playoff run.
this. I wouldn't pick the Pats to win it all right now, but they are still primed for a deep run.
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There is very little hate for Russell Wilson, a segment of 49ers fans notwithstanding. He is well-liked and well-respected by most, largely because he is a great player and a classic individual. :tup :tup
If you meant "classy," that is a word that should NEVER be used in conjunction with Wilson. I wouldn't be able to stand the dude if he was playing for my team. The NFL will be better off the day he stops playing.
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Really? I'm not aware of much baggage with him.
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Really? I'm not aware of much baggage with him.
Same. Care to elaborate, bosk?
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Me neither. Seems to be a class act. Spends his off day at the children's hospital. And I love how he's always wearing the team's gear, and finishes each interview with "Go Hawks".
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A quick internet search yields a story that his first wife cheated on him with Golden Tate.
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A quick internet search yields a story that his first wife cheated on him with Golden Tate.
I knew about that. But I am unaware of anything negative he personally has done. Then again, everyone has their skeletons...
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Yeah, I'm with the others on this on bosk1.
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Really? I'm not aware of much baggage with him.
Same. Care to elaborate, bosk?
He's a lot like the Chris Paul of the NFL--very active and visible, and garners the respect of the home crowd and journalists, while everyone else pretty much hates him for being a notoriously dirty player. Just go back to last week, for example. Player on the opposing defense loses a shoe and is trying to quickly get it between plays, and Wilson runs over, throws it 8 yards behind the line of scrimmage and then quickly signals for a "hurry up" to snap the ball. That's just dirty and classless. If officials had seen it, best case is a delay of game, and worst is unsportsmanlike conduct. But, again like CP3, he did it pretty sneakily and they didn't catch it. He's being pulling crap like that since day 1 and does it all the time. Which is, again, why he isn't liked by players around the league who don't happen to be on his team.
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That seems to be a bit of a reach....
Unfortunately, the All-22 footage revealed nothing extra, but Wilson has confirmed that he was the culprit.
“We were going no-huddle and it was right where we were going to pretty much snap it,’’ Wilson said at Friday’s press conference (via Seattle Times). “I was like ‘anybody’s shoe?’ So I was like all right, whatever. So I threw it. I didn’t want to throw it forward because we were going in that direction toward the end zone. Never seen a shoe on the field like that in the middle of the play when going no-huddle.’’
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2018/12/8/18132282/russell-wilson-throwing-49ers-players-shoe-kyle-shanahan-sideline-outburst
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X32VHJrDaTM
Narrated by Boskbot.
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Really? I'm not aware of much baggage with him.
That's because there really is none.
I have to tread lightly with this for obvious reasons, but I think some players probably do not like him because a) he is not "street" enough and b) they think he is too much of a "corporate" guy (and these players aren't happy unless they are fighting against the system and have a cause to rebel against, and view Wilson as a traitor for not taking that same stance).
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That seems to be a bit of a reach....
As is typical with sports threads, you can present dead accurate, cold hard facts, and get "well, that's kind of a reach" in response. Which is why I won't even waste my team doing a laundry list. As I said, that's just the latest example. Dirty play from him is a regular occurrence, and it's telling that you only have to go back to the most recent game to find an example. When it's so habitual that players around the league pretty much expect it week in and week out, I don't see how you can defend it.
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Wasn't there locker room strife because he was not "black" enough? The reports words, not mine! :)
As is typical with sports threads, you can present dead accurate, cold hard facts, and get "well, that's kind of a reach" in response. Which is why I won't even waste my team doing a laundry list. As I said, that's just the latest example. Dirty play from him is a regular occurrence, and it's telling that you only have to go back to the most recent game to find an example. When it's so habitual that players around the league pretty much expect it week in and week out, I don't see how you can defend it.
I was asking because I had never heard that. I'm not the biggest football fan to begin with, but when I do watch games, it's rare I see a west coast game.
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I have to tread lightly with this for obvious reasons, but I think some players probably do not like him because a) he is not "street" enough and b) they think he is too much of a "corporate" guy (and these players aren't happy unless they are fighting against the system and have a cause to rebel against, and view Wilson as a traitor for not taking that same stance).
Wasn't there locker room strife because he was not "black" enough? The reports words, not mine! :)
Unfortunately, that's a thing for some. I don't deny that Wilson may have been (and may still be) a target for some of that. But that's a separate issue.
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That seems to be a bit of a reach....
As is typical with sports threads, you can present dead accurate, cold hard facts, and get "well, that's kind of a reach" in response. Which is why I won't even waste my team doing a laundry list. As I said, that's just the latest example. Dirty play from him is a regular occurrence, and it's telling that you only have to go back to the most recent game to find an example. When it's so habitual that players around the league pretty much expect it week in and week out, I don't see how you can defend it.
I mean, he had a logical explanation as to why he did what he did. Now if the player was actively trying to get his cleat back, and he chucked it away, then that would be something.
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Even though I dislike Cris Carter a lot, I will sometimes watch the show he has on early in the morning with Nick Wright (football chatter in the background when getting ready for work), and I find it interesting that Nick Wright (who is white) almost always refers to every black QB by their first name, while not extending the same courtesy to nearly as many white quarterbacks. It's always Cam, and Russell, and Jameis, and Lamar, and Colin, and Dak, and Tyrod, etc. And he clearly roots for them all pretty hard and wants them all to do well. Tons of quarterbacks went in the first round this year and Lamar Jackson (the only black one) is the one he clearly roots for the most. It doesn't annoy me or anything, since Wright never gets worked up and always offers his opinion in a well-spoken and intelligent manner (instead of being one of these talking heads who has to be loud in an obnoxious way). I just find it interesting.
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I like Wilson, quite a bit, and Carroll is okay.
What makes me hate Seattle is that fucking electric green in their uniforms. That isn't football, it just... wrong, man.
This guy would like a word with you...
(https://funwhileitlasted.net//wp-content/uploads/2013/03/91waynedavis.png)
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That's okay. A good deal of fashion consultants would like a word with him.
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That looks like something out of a live action Japanese anime series.
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That looks like something out of a live action Japanese anime series.
He's the new Pokémon...Tackledude.
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re: Wilson
>>>>Bosk also fails to mention that he's a Niners fan, which means he automatically has a dislike for the Seahawks and their players. ;)
It's like me complaining about how much the Patriots cheat and play dirty, but it counts for nothing coming from a Jets fan until someone else comes along and corroborates it. Oh wait, that happened. :lol
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Sam don't make me post pictures of the butt fumble.
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re: Wilson
>>>>Bosk also fails to mention that he's a Niners fan, which means he automatically has a dislike for the Seahawks and their players. ;)
It's like me complaining about how much the Patriots cheat and play dirty, but it counts for nothing coming from a Jets fan until someone else comes along and corroborates it. Oh wait, that happened. :lol
No, I didn't "fail" to mention anything. Even aside from the fact that I did in fact mention that in my post, it's common knowledge in this thread.
And what is also pretty common knowledge is Wilson's dirty play.
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re: Wilson
>>>>Bosk also fails to mention that he's a Niners fan, which means he automatically has a dislike for the Seahawks and their players. ;)
It's like me complaining about how much the Patriots cheat and play dirty, but it counts for nothing coming from a Jets fan until someone else comes along and corroborates it. Oh wait, that happened. :lol
No, I didn't "fail" to mention anything. Even aside from the fact that I did in fact mention that in my post, it's common knowledge in this thread.
And what is also pretty common knowledge is Wilson's dirty play.
:rollin
Uh oh, someone is annoyed. Spoken like a true Niners fan, bosk1. Your fellow fans are proud (I assume). :lol
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Sam don't make me post pictures of the butt fumble.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
You have NO IDEA how many texts I've gotten the last couple of weeks with pics of that after Sanchez signed with the Redskins.
As anyone who knows me will attest, I was always ANTI-SANCHEZ and ANTI-REX RYAN, so while annoying, I never supported that whole thing. Sanchez was a bum from his days at USC. I'll never forget when the Jets drafted him. I hated the pick, and a buddy of mine who is a USC alum, and a former football coach said:
"B, here's the book on Sanchez. Will look great in practice, and if his first read is open. The moment it isn't, he gets happy feet, and he's done. Book it."
Coach AT was dead-on. And Sanchez is still like that. Which is why he couldn't hold a job.
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having watched Wilson play at Wisconsin and watching him sporadically throughout his NFL career, I've never heard of him being a dirty player.
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having watched Wilson play at Wisconsin and watching him sporadically throughout his NFL career, I've never heard of him being a dirty player.
Yup, he was a class act in college (even when he completely dominated my PSU team) and never heard of one bad thing about him. No offense, Bosk, but your posts read of a fan of a rival team. I'm sure he's done some things that aren't the best, but to spot light those is to spotlight someone you, specifically, just don't like unless you got more ammo but it seems if people don't like him the results from google come down to what Kev and TAC mentioned and not because he is a dirty player.
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Well, my definition of "dirty" player is a guy who takes cheap shots and tries to physically injure other players. Whatever RW does or is doing is probably called something else.
Oh BTW, somebody get Cam Newton a beer so he can cry in it! :rollin
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The Steelers are in real trouble. They always struggle against the Patriots anyway, and Belichick is gonna be in a foul mood this week, relative to his normal foulness. :lol :lol
Steelers are pissed too. Ben played almost a perfect game but Tomlin kept him on the sideline the whole 3rd quarter while Dobbs was shitting himself. Players should mutiny against The Aviators, but short of that I hope they bring it Sunday.
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It's like me complaining about how much the Patriots cheat and play dirty, but it counts for nothing coming from a Jets fan until someone else comes along and corroborates it. Oh wait, that happened. :lol
Hmmm...
https://yourteamcheats.com/NE
https://yourteamcheats.com/NYJ
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Kev, a quote from the Bill Belichick radio interview today.
"Look, it's the National Football League. Nobody died."
:lol :lol :lol
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LOL, exactly.
And Mike Tomlin should be thanking Belichick. His boneheaded coaching was largely ignored on the various sports shows I DVR'd today since all they wanted to talk about, in regards to coaching, was Belichick's mistake at the end.
Not sure how a coach not putting his HOF QB back in a game they ended up losing, and to the worst team in the league, isn't major news, but it just shows again how in love the media is with Mike Tomlin. Must be nice.
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LOL, exactly.
And Mike Tomlin should be thanking Belichick. His boneheaded coaching was largely ignored on the various sports shows I DVR'd today since all they wanted to talk about, in regards to coaching, was Belichick's mistake at the end.
Not sure how a coach not putting his HOF QB back in a game they ended up losing, and to the worst team in the league, isn't major news, but it just shows again how in love the media is with Mike Tomlin. Must be nice.
What was Belichick's mistake? Did he miss that tackle (or any of the six blown tackles on that last play)? Or did he blow what was it, two field goals and an extra point? I didn't watch all the game, but I didn't see him do any of that.
(I also saw a great meme/gif/jpeg/whateverthefuck of "Gronkowski tacking" and it was someone taking a digger with a cake. It was funny. It was a reply to a post from the Patriots but I can't find it now.)
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Having Gronk in on the last play was a major blunder, considering he is only useful on defense on a Hail Mary and Ryan Tannehill was not about to throw a Hail Mary 80 yards down field, so a lateral-type play was their only shot, meaning you want speed guys out there, not a lumbering tight end who looks old and slow. It's rare for Belichick to make a mistake like that, as the Patriots usually destroy teams when it comes to situational football, which is why they win so many close games. He's still the best football coach ever, but even the best have their rare bad moments.
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I agree with Kev. It was a mistake. If the ball was at the 50 then it would be ok for Gronk to be in.
I can count on my left hand how many glaring mistakes BB has made.
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The only one I remember being talked about so much was going for it on 4th down in that Colts/Pats game in 2009 and I don't even think that was a mistake. He knew his D wasn't gonna stop Manning, so he went for it to put the game away and it didn't work out.
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Exactly. That Colts offense was on a roll the second half. That was the right call that wasn't executed.
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I think it's a testament to Belichick that one perceived gaff creates such a controversy, when you have guys like Reid and Tomlin who sometimes seem like they couldn't manage a game with Walter Camp and Copernicus on their staff, and a reset button.
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Bill pretty much owned up to the Gronk thing today. He made it pretty clear that situational awareness is something that the entire coaching staff needs to improve, particularly after yesterday.
And 4th and 2 was the right call. I've seen him make some pretty dubious decisions (I recall a fake punt that was pretty ill-advised), but they're few and far between and more often than not the pointless babbling of radio people.
About Russell Wilson and the shoe, I've got no problem with what he did. An object on the field is an impediment to his ability to run the offense. Clock's running, he's playing football, get it out of the way. As for the defensive player that lost his shoe, that's on him. There's no stoppage of play for that. What was he going to do, kneel down and lace it back up while the clock's ticking? He could have taken a timeout, or he could have subbed out.
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The 4th and 2 wasn't so much of a tactical mistake as it was a coaching moment to his defense.
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Watching this game . . . a lot of supposedly great QBs playing like absolute shit this week.
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I had really come around on thinking Cousins was really good, but this season has told me that my original hunch was correct.
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His offensive line is atrocious though.
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Now I turn on the game and see why. Lol
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Missed a wide open Dalvin Cook on the 4th and goal from the 1, instead throwing to a covered Kyle Rudolph.
Just made a bad throw to Thielen on 3rd and 9.
He just misses too many throws and gets rattled too easily. He's like a poor man's Matt Ryan: give him a clean pocket and he can look great, but get pressure on him and he falls apart.
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I'd like to say my eyeballs hate this game. Those 3rd uniforms for Seattle should be burned never to be used again.
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LOL, exactly.
And Mike Tomlin should be thanking Belichick. His boneheaded coaching was largely ignored on the various sports shows I DVR'd today since all they wanted to talk about, in regards to coaching, was Belichick's mistake at the end.
Not sure how a coach not putting his HOF QB back in a game they ended up losing, and to the worst team in the league, isn't major news, but it just shows again how in love the media is with Mike Tomlin. Must be nice.
Yup, and it's killing Steeler fans, Sunday was the perfect storm of all of Tomlin's dumb tendencies wrapped into one loss. And it's still not getting as much talk in the media as it should.
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His offensive line is atrocious though.
You're right. Instead of giving Cousins $84M guaranteed, they should've used it to build an O-line. :justjen
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His offensive line is atrocious though.
You're right. Instead of giving Cousins $84M guaranteed, they should've used it to build an O-line. :justjen
There's a balance. If you are going to pay a QB that much you better keep him upright.
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His offensive line is atrocious though.
You're right. Instead of giving Cousins $84M guaranteed, they should've used it to build an O-line. :justjen
There's a balance. If you are going to pay a QB that much you better keep him upright.
Look, I get it; no QB is perfect. Certainly, if there's a way of getting to Brady, it's through pressure, but it's not because Brady then resorts to a ton of bad decisions, it's because the timing routes they run rely on precise execution, and pressure disrupts that. I don't see that as the problem in Minnesota. Cousins makes BAD DECISIONS. I think he's good, he's servicable, but I don't think he's the guy that puts you from good to great.
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You get pressure on any QB and the % of good decisions goes down dramatically.
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You get pressure on any QB and the % of good decisions goes down dramatically.
Wow!! ;D
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I had the Hawks pegged as an 8-8 team, maybe a 9-7 one. Proved me wrong.
Wasn't there locker room strife because he was not "black" enough? The reports words, not mine! :)
There were reports of that nature, but it was more an issue of him not being "down" with the other players. Race wasn't as much of an issue as much as him not connecting with many other players outside the locker room. While they are all out at dinner or the clubs, he's at home studying his bible. He also threw the pass the Malcolm Butler. No, it wasn't his call, but it was his throw.
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I had the Hawks pegged as an 8-8 team, maybe a 9-7 one. Proved me wrong.
Wasn't there locker room strife because he was not "black" enough? The reports words, not mine! :)
There were reports of that nature, but it was more an issue of him not being "down" with the other players. Race wasn't as much of an issue as much as him not connecting with many other players outside the locker room. While they are all out at dinner or the clubs, he's at home studying his bible. He also threw the pass the Malcolm Butler. No, it wasn't his call, but it was his throw.
He's one of those? Didn't know that. Maybe Bosk was right after all.
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I had the Hawks pegged as an 8-8 team, maybe a 9-7 one. Proved me wrong.
Wasn't there locker room strife because he was not "black" enough? The reports words, not mine! :)
There were reports of that nature, but it was more an issue of him not being "down" with the other players. Race wasn't as much of an issue as much as him not connecting with many other players outside the locker room. While they are all out at dinner or the clubs, he's at home studying his bible. He also threw the pass the Malcolm Butler. No, it wasn't his call, but it was his throw.
He's one of those? Didn't know that. Maybe Bosk was right after all.
Yeah, famously he and Ciara held out - https://www.mtv.com/news/2205400/russell-wilson-ciara-celibacy/ - and I thought it was based in his Christianity.
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Yup, he is "one of those" types of religious folk. No issues from me though. Probably not the person I'd want to hang with but I respect him living his life that way if he chooses to. Doesn't make him a bad dude in any way.
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It was a bit of a joke around here, with the sports radio talking heads saying "I couldn't hold out 5 minutes with Ciara...."
Which reminds me, did anyone know who Ciara was prior to her hooking up with him? Does anyone now? Around here she is a First Name Only celeb, as in "Reporters saw Ciara at the film premier last night." When it became news they were dating I had to Google her to see what her claim to fame was.
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Yup, he is "one of those" types of religious folk. No issues from me though. Probably not the person I'd want to hang with but I respect him living his life that way if he chooses to. Doesn't make him a bad dude in any way.
I was being facetious about him being a bad dude because of it. He's certainly not my kind of people, though.
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I'm in the minority with the neon unis. I love em! And the Orlando Thunder's too.
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Which reminds me, did anyone know who Ciara was prior to her hooking up with him? Does anyone now? Around here she is a First Name Only celeb, as in "Reporters saw Ciara at the film premier last night." When it became news they were dating I had to Google her to see what her claim to fame was.
I have no idea who she is. When I saw Stadler's reference to her, I thought he wrote "Clara" and thought that was a rather old-fashioned name for someone who I assume is in her 20s. Also made me think of Doc Brown's wife.
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Pre-Week 15 Power Rankings
1. Saints - got everything settled after a rough six quarters
2. Chiefs - epic comeback, now a strong favorite to get home field
3. Rams - they looked like they wanted to be anywhere but playing in the cold
4. Chargers - need to win Thursday and another KC loss to have a shot to win the division
5. Patriots - still 12th in the NFL in points allowed, but the D struggles on the road
6. Bears - statement win over the Rams
7. Cowboys - that defense and running game will make them a tough out
8. Texans - just when we thought we could trust them...
9. Seahawks - Pete Carroll is coaching his ass off
10. Colts - Luck is back to form and the defense is improved
Trending up:
Dolphins - Miami Miracle gives them a shot to snag a wild card
Ravens - despite the tough loss, they could steal the North
Giants - wonder if this good second half will make them bring Eli back
Titans - impossible to know if the good Titans or the bad Titans will show up
Packers - a strong finish following McCarthy's ouster is predictable
Trending down:
Steelers - they have a lot of bleeding to stop
Vikings - might still eke into the playoffs, but this ain't the team it was last year
Panthers - I am still stunned by this collapse
Redskins - no QB, no shot
Falcons - a major disappointment
Top 5 MVP Contenders
1. Patrick Mahomes - I think that 4th and 9 play wrapped up the award
2. Drew Brees - needs a spectacular finish to steal the award back
3. Philip Rivers - still killing it
4. Andrew Luck - imagine if he gets some good WRs aside from Hilton?
5. Russell Wilson - what a playmaker
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Patrick Mahomes. Not enough platitudes I could say about him.
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Patrick Mahomes. Not enough platitudes I could say about him.
So, as a Ravens fan, that's what I was yelling at the screen on both of those 4th down conversions....... :censored...I mean 'platitudes'.
Yeah, the kid is pretty damn good.
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Yeah, he made a couple of throws that looked impossible last game.
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Kev, been wondering that as well about Eli. They made some moves and seemed to have really "fixed" (quotes because it still sucks but its much improved) the OL and it has shown in Eli and Barkley playing much better. (They are averaging over 30 points a game now in this stretch too). Eli isn't a world beater, but he looks like he is holding his own now. I still think the Giants need to draft a QB in the first round, but maybe this gives Eli another year starting with the draft pick to take over if he is bad or the next year when I can't imagine Eli still playing.
I've also got to add that I absolutely love Barkley, the guy says and does all the right things. I'm starting to feel like his leadership is going to rub off on others and hopefully elevate this team in the future.
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Giants fans who shit on Eli should be ashamed of themselves. That guy is, statistically speaking, having one of his finest seasons behind a terrible line, and everyone just rips him apart. I'm a Jets fan, and I should never say nice things about a Giants player, but Eli has been all class, and has had a hell of a career, and has been the QB on two Super Bowl teams. He's totally disrespected, and I sincerely hope he finishes this year up on a high note, and then just retires. Leave the Giants to figure it out on their own, if he isn't good enough.
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^ That. I'm certainly no fan of the Giants but I'll give credit where it's due.
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Eh, I guess it shows how great Eli has not been when a season where he is 18th in passer rating and 27th in QBR is one of his best statistical seasons.
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having watched Wilson play at Wisconsin and watching him sporadically throughout his NFL career, I've never heard of him being a dirty player.
I've watched pretty much every Seahawks game since 2013 and I've never seen Russel Wilson play dirty, or even talk trash. He's always been a class act on and off the field and has a positive outlook on things. The Seahawks are getting tougher as the season goes on and are playing as good as anybody, same with the Dallas Cowboys!
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Big game tonight boys!
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Big game tonight boys!
Yeah, as much as we bitch that TNF always sucks, I'm not sure having the game of the week on Thursday is a good thing. Most of the Sunday schedule kind of blows.
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Big game tonight boys!
Yeah, as much as we bitch that TNF always sucks, I'm not sure having the game of the week on Thursday is a good thing. Most of the Sunday schedule kind of blows.
I think that the schedule makers had good intentions. Pittsburgh vs. New England is always good. Eagles vs. Rams was thought to be a game between two title contenders. And the Monday night game, New Orleans at Carolina looked to be a very important game in the NFC South, but partially due to Carolina's collapse, that division has already been crowned.
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Big game tonight boys!
Yeah, as much as we bitch that TNF always sucks, I'm not sure having the game of the week on Thursday is a good thing. Most of the Sunday schedule kind of blows.
What makes it a good thing is everyone gets to see it. Unlike the Sunday schedule when your shitty local team is always televised and you're held hostage from watching a better game (unless of course you pay extra for NFL Sunday Ticket). In my case that would be the Arizona Canaries...errr...Cardinals. :\
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Big game tonight boys!
Yeah, as much as we bitch that TNF always sucks, I'm not sure having the game of the week on Thursday is a good thing. Most of the Sunday schedule kind of blows.
What makes it a good thing is everyone gets to see it. Unlike the Sunday schedule when your shitty local team is always televised and you're held hostage from watching a better game (unless of course you pay extra for NFL Sunday Ticket). In my case that would be the Arizona Canaries...errr...Cardinals. :\
Isn't TNF a cable-only kind of thing?
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Eh, I guess it shows how great Eli has not been when a season where he is 18th in passer rating and 27th in QBR is one of his best statistical seasons.
Because those are the only two stats that matter. ;)
David Garrard has the 9th best season QBR EVER. That should say enough right there.
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So thinking ahead to how the NE-Pitt game might play out. So far Ben has probably had a slightly better season than Brady; more yards, more touchdowns, higher QBR (and yes, 5 more picks). He's had less support from the running game as NE has more rushing yards and higher yards per attempt. Lately the Steelers' D and the special teams have been very shitty so I assume Ben will be asked to win the game mostly by himself again. Such is life under Tomlin.
For the drinking game:
Take a drink every time Tomlin is shown looking clueless on the sideline
Take a drink every time Tomlin misuses a timeout or a challenge
Take a drink every time AB is mugged without a flag (and in the interest of fairness, insert Gronk in here if you wish :tup)
Take a drink every time a Steeler receiver drops a TD pass or a long gainer
Take a drink every time a controversial call goes against the home team
Take a drink every time a Patriot receiver is wide open due to blown coverage
But in all seriousness, just hoping for a good game.
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Eh, I guess it shows how great Eli has not been when a season where he is 18th in passer rating and 27th in QBR is one of his best statistical seasons.
I looked at yards per completion, yards, and TD-INT. His overall rating is 95.8, the best of his career, and 11.6 higher than his career average. Add a bad O Line to that mix, and yeah, I'd say he is having a great year.
Again, the Giants won two SBs with Eli at QB. Giants fans should be grateful, instead of wishing the guy would be replaced. But don't worry, those fans will get their wish, and probably regret it. At least in the short term.
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So thinking ahead to how the NE-Pitt game might play out. So far Ben has probably had a slightly better season than Brady; more yards, more touchdowns, higher QBR (and yes, 5 more picks). He's had less support from the running game as NE has more rushing yards and higher yards per attempt. Lately the Steelers' D and the special teams have been very shitty so I assume Ben will be asked to win the game mostly by himself again. Such is life under Tomlin.
For the drinking game:
Take a drink every time Tomlin is shown looking clueless on the sideline
Take a drink every time Tomlin misuses a timeout or a challenge
Take a drink every time AB is mugged without a flag (and in the interest of fairness, insert Gronk in here if you wish :tup)
Take a drink every time a Steeler receiver drops a TD pass or a long gainer
Take a drink every time a controversial call goes against the home team
Take a drink every time a Patriot receiver is wide open due to blown coverage
But in all seriousness, just hoping for a good game.
Blackout drunk by halftime.
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So thinking ahead to how the NE-Pitt game might play out. So far Ben has probably had a slightly better season than Brady; more yards, more touchdowns, higher QBR (and yes, 5 more picks). He's had less support from the running game as NE has more rushing yards and higher yards per attempt. Lately the Steelers' D and the special teams have been very shitty so I assume Ben will be asked to win the game mostly by himself again. Such is life under Tomlin.
For the drinking game:
Take a drink every time Tomlin is shown looking clueless on the sideline
Take a drink every time Tomlin misuses a timeout or a challenge
Take a drink every time AB is mugged without a flag (and in the interest of fairness, insert Gronk in here if you wish :tup)
Take a drink every time a Steeler receiver drops a TD pass or a long gainer
Take a drink every time a controversial call goes against the home team
Take a drink every time a Patriot receiver is wide open due to blown coverage
But in all seriousness, just hoping for a good game.
Blackout drunk by halftime.
Add in "Take a drink every time the New England secondary blows a tackle." and I might even be vomiting in the clothes hamper.
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Man, I seriously don't want to relive college 20 years later. At least then it'd be a few hours, instead of a few minutes, before I'm puking my guts out. :lol
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Big game tonight boys!
Yeah, as much as we bitch that TNF always sucks, I'm not sure having the game of the week on Thursday is a good thing. Most of the Sunday schedule kind of blows.
What makes it a good thing is everyone gets to see it. Unlike the Sunday schedule when your shitty local team is always televised and you're held hostage from watching a better game (unless of course you pay extra for NFL Sunday Ticket). In my case that would be the Arizona Canaries...errr...Cardinals. :\
Isn't TNF a cable-only kind of thing?
Originally yes, but then it was simulcasted on CBS. Now Fox has a 5 year contract.
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Eh, I guess it shows how great Eli has not been when a season where he is 18th in passer rating and 27th in QBR is one of his best statistical seasons.
I looked at yards per completion, yards, and TD-INT. His overall rating is 95.8, the best of his career, and 11.6 higher than his career average. Add a bad O Line to that mix, and yeah, I'd say he is having a great year.
Again, the Giants won two SBs with Eli at QB. Giants fans should be grateful, instead of wishing the guy would be replaced. But don't worry, those fans will get their wish, and probably regret it. At least in the short term.
I am not a Giants fan, but regarding those improved numbers, you have to remember that passing numbers are off the charts this year thanks to various rule changes, which is why there are literally 22 quarterbacks with a passer rating of 90+. Eli's 95.8 might be the best of his career, but it is still only the 19th best this year. I cannot imagine any standard where I would call the season Eli Manning is having to be "great," unless the standards are really that low now.
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This morning the injury situation was looking pretty favorable for the chargers. Now things have flipped with Gordon out and KC has Hill and Berry both playing. That's a damn shame. SD might still eek one out, but I have to pick KC now. Wouldn't be terribly bothered if I'm wrong, though.
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Chiefs can just just trot out Priest Holmes and they'll be okay.
And the Chargers can bring in Dan Fouts out of the pen.
Just ask Stephen A. Smith:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO4Ij1WtISA
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Go Chargers!!!!!
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That was awesome!! What a win for Rivers and the Chargers.
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Lol the refs totally gifted that to LA. Pathetic. League is practically unwatchable.
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Boo. Yah. I went with SC as a lark and a hope, and it pays off.
I don't like Philip Rivers, but I don't like Patrick Mahomes more. He's getting too big for his britches with the left-handed throws and the pointing after every flag... you have to win the big games, and at home, with home field advantage on the line, and your closest competitor (for the playoffs) in town, you have to win. He did not.
By the way, these officials ought to hang their heads in shame. That was a late '80's Ozzy concert of a football game by those officials. HORRIBLE, and even Troy Aikman felt obligated to point it out.
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That was 55 minutes of boring football, and a great final 5.
Lol the refs totally gifted that to LA. Pathetic. League is practically unwatchable.
The refs are truly awful this year, and this game was no exception, but the bad calls went both ways tonight. They were just as instrumental in keeping KC ahead for most of the game.
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The bad calls went both ways... there were a few hits to the head by Chief defenders in the 4th quarter alone that should’ve been flagged.
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Yep, the Chargers were getting rooked on the majority of the calls.
Epic comeback!
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That was 55 minutes of boring football, and a great final 5.
Lol the refs totally gifted that to LA. Pathetic. League is practically unwatchable.
The refs are truly awful this year, and this game was no exception, but the bad calls went both ways tonight. They were just as instrumental in keeping KC ahead for most of the game.
No doubt, both ways, but it makes it so... unpredictable and takes the ball out of the hands (metaphorically) of the players. I'd rather watch Benjamin and Hill run the football, than some old guy marking off 10 yard bursts.
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That was 55 minutes of boring football, and a great final 5.
Lol the refs totally gifted that to LA. Pathetic. League is practically unwatchable.
The refs are truly awful this year, and this game was no exception, but the bad calls went both ways tonight. They were just as instrumental in keeping KC ahead for most of the game.
No doubt, both ways, but it makes it so... unpredictable and takes the ball out of the hands (metaphorically) of the players. I'd rather watch Benjamin and Hill run the football, than some old guy marking off 10 yard bursts.
It certainly sucks, and I don't understand why it's so bad this year. It's not any confusion about the new rules. They're just missing calls left and right, every game.
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An hour later and I’m still shaking. Even though the Jets are definitely my number one, the Chargers are my number two, but unfortunately I don’t get to see much of them due to other teams taking broadcasting priority in my area (like local division rivals New England, Miami, Dallas, and Philadelphia as well as teams with wide reaching fanbases like Pittsburgh and Green Bay). The only times I really get to watch their games is when they have a primetime game or happen to be playing one of the aforementioned teams. Still, I follow every one of their games, and have been a big supporter of them since as long as I’ve loved football. For years, they were the team that was always good but never good enough, then instead of getting better, they somehow got worse. They left their city and got stuck in a soccer stadium with a quarter of the capacity of most NFL stadiums. Yet this year feels different than the past. They have a coaching staff who encourage guts instead of apathy. They have a quarterback playing like a man possessed, going out there every week and proving all of the doubters who say he shouldn’t make the Hall of Fame wrong. And they have a locker room full of players who fight for every yard, every point, every game. Tonight was the night that the whole world saw what every person who supports the Chargers already knew this year: this team is for real.
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Come on all-LA super bowl!!! It's gonna take a few miracles, but it's not impossible at this point!
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I have a theory about the poor refs, and the evolution of the game in recent years coupled with the new rules that seem to favor the offenses does play a huge part in it.
A) The athleticism of the players has taken leaps and bounds in the last 40 (or so) years. I remember when a WR would have 4.4 speed in the combine, and it would be a huge talking point. In recent years we've seen players knocking a couple of tenths off of that in the combine workouts. We've also seen them getting much bigger and stronger. Watch a highlight reel of Joe Green playing in the 70's. He looks absolutely huge in comparison to the rest of the players on the field. These days he would be under-sized.
Some of the linemen (either side of the ball) that are 6' 5" and 330 lbs.+ can run in the 4 second bracket.
B) The rules have been opened up to promote more scoring. The "freakish" nature and athletic potential of the players has been unleashed by these rules where speed has been rewarded like no other time in the sport. Sure, it's always been a part of the equation, but I can't remember a time when I've seen so many blown coverages by defensive secondaries on all teams. Game awareness and decision making by defenders has been out stripped by the increasing speed of the game that has been catered to by those making the rules changes.
C) What is the average age of an NFL ref?
Speed, reflexes and senses all get dulled by age. You've got (for the most part) a bunch of old men running around a large field trying to monitor and keep up with a bunch of young men who probably jog faster than any of those old men could sprint while they were in their prime.
Put all of those factors together and you have a recipe for failure...
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An hour later and I’m still shaking. Even though the Jets are definitely my number one, the Chargers are my number two, but unfortunately I don’t get to see much of them due to other teams taking broadcasting priority in my area (like local division rivals New England, Miami, Dallas, and Philadelphia as well as teams with wide reaching fanbases like Pittsburgh and Green Bay). The only times I really get to watch their games is when they have a primetime game or happen to be playing one of the aforementioned teams. Still, I follow every one of their games, and have been a big supporter of them since as long as I’ve loved football. For years, they were the team that was always good but never good enough, then instead of getting better, they somehow got worse. They left their city and got stuck in a soccer stadium with a quarter of the capacity of most NFL stadiums. Yet this year feels different than the past. They have a coaching staff who encourage guts instead of apathy. They have a quarterback playing like a man possessed, going out there every week and proving all of the doubters who say he shouldn’t make the Hall of Fame wrong. And they have a locker room full of players who fight for every yard, every point, every game. Tonight was the night that the whole world saw what every person who supports the Chargers already knew this year: this team is for real.
Let's not get too ahead of ourselves, though. 0:25 seconds left and no timeouts and Philip Rivers is gumming at the refs about the missed "helmet to the head" penalty, and ran off almost 0:20 seconds if memory serves (I think the next play started with 0:08 on the clock). He was right, but that's not the time to make your case. It worked out but to me it was a sign that they are a good team playing well, but aren't a juggernaut just yet. I think that game - while a nail-biter for sure - says as much about the Chiefs as it does the Chargers.
Bold prediction: neither of these teams is in the Super Bowl for the AFC.
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0:25 seconds left and no timeouts and Philip Rivers is gumming at the refs about the missed "helmet to the head" penalty, and ran off almost 0:20 seconds if memory serves (I think the next play started with 0:08 on the clock). He was right, but that's not the time to make your case.
This is not correct. They had a timeout left and I believe they lost maybe 7-8 seconds (I'd have to re-watch it, but it was not close to 20). I agree that Rivers should have called timeout right away instead of asking for the call (which was a horrible miss by the officials), but let's get the facts straight. ;)
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An hour later and I’m still shaking. Even though the Jets are definitely my number one, the Chargers are my number two, but unfortunately I don’t get to see much of them due to other teams taking broadcasting priority in my area (like local division rivals New England, Miami, Dallas, and Philadelphia as well as teams with wide reaching fanbases like Pittsburgh and Green Bay). The only times I really get to watch their games is when they have a primetime game or happen to be playing one of the aforementioned teams. Still, I follow every one of their games, and have been a big supporter of them since as long as I’ve loved football. For years, they were the team that was always good but never good enough, then instead of getting better, they somehow got worse. They left their city and got stuck in a soccer stadium with a quarter of the capacity of most NFL stadiums. Yet this year feels different than the past. They have a coaching staff who encourage guts instead of apathy. They have a quarterback playing like a man possessed, going out there every week and proving all of the doubters who say he shouldn’t make the Hall of Fame wrong. And they have a locker room full of players who fight for every yard, every point, every game. Tonight was the night that the whole world saw what every person who supports the Chargers already knew this year: this team is for real.
Let's not get too ahead of ourselves, though. 0:25 seconds left and no timeouts and Philip Rivers is gumming at the refs about the missed "helmet to the head" penalty, and ran off almost 0:20 seconds if memory serves (I think the next play started with 0:08 on the clock). He was right, but that's not the time to make your case. It worked out but to me it was a sign that they are a good team playing well, but aren't a juggernaut just yet. I think that game - while a nail-biter for sure - says as much about the Chiefs as it does the Chargers.
Bold prediction: neither of these teams is in the Super Bowl for the AFC.
IDK Stadler. The Bolts seem to be very resilient.
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re: The refs
The referees need to be full-time. Honestly, I know its just 16 regular season games, 4 pre-season games, and the playoffs, but the speed of NFL football, the complexity of the rules, and the overall complexity of the game requires people who are refereeing it to be completely focused on it on a year-round basis. They would get better. A LOT better, if they weren't all working regular jobs every week.
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0:25 seconds left and no timeouts and Philip Rivers is gumming at the refs about the missed "helmet to the head" penalty, and ran off almost 0:20 seconds if memory serves (I think the next play started with 0:08 on the clock). He was right, but that's not the time to make your case.
This is not correct. They had a timeout left and I believe they lost maybe 7-8 seconds (I'd have to re-watch it, but it was not close to 20). I agree that Rivers should have called timeout right away instead of asking for the call (which was a horrible miss by the officials), but let's get the facts straight. ;)
IF MEMORY SERVES. ;D You're right, I didn't have all the facts exactly correct: they did have a time out (and burned it at 0:13) but the play started at 0:34, the play ended around 0:24, 0:22 left, and the timeout was called at 0:13. In any even the point was, focus on the game, forget about the nonsense.
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Chargers fan here and i was at arrowhead last night! What a freaking huge win and one of the best games i've ever seen live! Chiefs fans were so pissed!
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Here's what I have:
AFC:
1. Texans (13-3)
2. Pats (13-3)
3. Chargers (13-3)
4. Ravens (10-6)
5. Chiefs (12-4)
6. Steelers (9-6-1)
NFC:
1. Saints (14-2)
2. Rams (14-2)
3. Bears (12-4)
4. Cowboys (11-5)
5. Vikings (9-6-1)
6. Seahawks (9-7)
But some games are such a tossup, and these races are so close. A couple of games going differently could completely alter that picture. But the interesting thing is, if these go down basically how I mapped them out going into week 17, pretty much NOBODY can rest their starters except maybe the Bears and Cowboys.
9 days later, and I'm already off. Here's what I have now, based on how last week went:
AFC:
1. Chargers (13-3)
2. Pats (12-4)
3. Texans (12-4)
4. Steelers (8-7-1 -- note: this could easily go to the Ravens if they win one more game than I projected; they are SO unpredictable!)
5. Chiefs (12-4)
6. Titans (10-6 -- note: I'm really not sure about the Colts, who could also easily get this spot)
NFC:
1. Saints (14-2)
2. Rams (14-2)
3. Bears (12-4)
4. Cowboys (11-5)
5. Seahawks (10-6)
6. Vikings (8-7-1)
NFC is actually basically the same, but flipping the 5 and 6. AFC is really hard to predict, even though 2 teams have now clinched, and the Pats and (probably) Texans may as well have.
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Chargers fan here and i was at arrowhead last night! What a freaking huge win and one of the best games i've ever seen live! Chiefs fans were so pissed!
I watched it on TV, that was an awesome game! I was kind of pulling for KC, but I had a change of heart about mid 4th qtr..
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Chargers fan here and i was at arrowhead last night! What a freaking huge win and one of the best games i've ever seen live! Chiefs fans were so pissed!
That's awesome... as a Denver fan, I can't say I've been in that position many times to root for the Chargers like I did last night (although the last game of the season back in 2011 when they beat Oakland to send Denver into the playoffs does come to mind). I think that was easily one of the most exciting finishes to a game this season.
I think it would be really cool to see Rivers win a SB this year. I have a ton of respect for the guy as a QB and I feel like he is under appreciated by many fans. As long as KC or NE doesn't win this year, I'll be happy :hat
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I'm a Raiders fan in LA and feel very conflicted. The Chargers have always been an enemy and I hate the team branding. But having two NFL playoff teams here is awesome considering we had NOTHING for 2 decades.
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Darnold really looks like he could be special. I don't think this team is too far away from being a playoff contender, especially if they manage to land Le'Veon Bell in the off season. He's my favorite QB out of this draft and I think he'll go on to be the best of his class... I wish Elway had found a way to draft him in Denver (no disrespect meant to Bradley Chubb, who will also go down as one of the best players from this draft IMO) :sadpanda:
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Damn! Browns dodged a bullet there. The situation called for a FG. Good thing their defense stepped up.
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Vance Joseph sucks.
Case Keenum sucks.
And if he keeps either, John Elway should be shown the door.
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I was tricked into thinking Joseph was improving as a coach and deserved another year with this team after the 3 game win streak against LA, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. Then they proceeded to allow over 200 yards receiving to George Kittle in one half of football (refusing to make a single adjustment until the 2nd half) and lost to a bottom 5 team in SF, then lost to Cleveland at home who tried to give the game away in the end.
I still think this team has a fairly bright future ahead of them (after such a solid draft), but only if they get rid of this coaching staff. I think we'll be stuck with Keenum for another season... I'm not big on him either, but he's lost several TEs and WRs this season and the team is clearly not good enough to overcome it. Keenum was always a guy that needed a good supporting cast on offense to succeed and now he has a bunch of rookie and practice squad receivers with a patchwork offensive line. It's just too easy for other teams to shut the running game down now and dare Keenum to beat them with his arm, because everyone knows he can't with such an inexperienced receiving corps.
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Gutless conservative coaching rampant this week. Miami punts from the Minnesota 40 while down 21-0 while playing for a PLAYOFF SPOT. :facepalm: Just one of many examples.
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Every time a team has it's Superbowl playing the Pats they get shellacked the next week. Killed by a team the Pats beat.
Sometimes you just can't understand the NFL.
BTW, sound like Big Ben has cracked ribs. Funny he wasn't on the injury list for that and took some time off this week. Can we just get rid of the injury report? Who cares about betters?
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Pass interference my ass. Lead to a TD.
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Yeah, a weak call.
Great Special teams play, but WTF it doesn't matter if you give up 36 f'n yards the next two plays!
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For sure.
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Steelers D playing a damn good game.
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Going to be fun being at the game next week. I'll be pissed off the whole time.
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Yup. Crap week.
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For a team that's supposed to be so disciplined they really suck at tackling and make far too many penalties. Same last year.
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Yes. It feels so much like 2009.
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If that means the Patriots are going to lose in the 1st round, I like it. :biggrin:
HUGE win for the Steelers. The game really wasn't as close as the final score.
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It sure seems like that is a possibility Kev. This team does not have "it."
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Never know. They need to hope the Texans lose one of their last two to get that bye back.
Meanwhile, the Rams are looking mediocre for the third week in a row. Maybe they thought that win over the Chiefs was their Super Bowl, but they haven't looked good since.
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Just watched the game on DVR. Man what a defensive battle. The difference for the Steelers was the young guys Washington and Samuels stepping up big time. Not counting NE out at all, even if his arm is fading a veteran QB like Brady can still win with his brain, kinda like Peyton did in 2015 when his arm was toast.
I think a couple of those calls on NE were iffy, but then again they are the least penalized team in the league.
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Just watched the game on DVR. Man what a defensive battle. The difference for the Steelers was the young guys Washington and Samuels stepping up big time. Not counting NE out at all, even if his arm is fading a veteran QB like Brady can still win with his brain, kinda like Peyton did in 2015 when his arm was toast.
I think a couple of those calls on NE were iffy, but then again they are the least penalized team in the league.
I don't think Brady's arm is fading. His decision making isn't looking so sharp, though. He doesn't put that ball straight up in the air for an easy pick, or makes a better decision on his final pass, and we're probably having a different conversation. Gronk's looking like he's done, though. All the more reason they should have traded him before the season started when he was being douchy. Maybe after the season we find out he's been playing through some injury we don't know about, but if this is him being as healthy as he can be then he's kaput.
Houston might well get beat by the the Eagles team we're seeing tonight. That said, there's no guarantee that NE doesn't lose stupidly to Buffalo or something. Most likely NE gets the number 3 seed and plays at home against a non AFC-W team, which should be winnable. Most likely Pitt or Indi. After that all bets are off. Unless they manage to unfuck themselves over the next couple of weeks any of the teams remaining will demolish them in the DIV round.
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Rams just didn't want to win tonight. Anytime Phili handed them a chance they gave it away.
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Cowherd and the other talking heads always criticize the Steelers for being sloppy and undisciplined, but it was actually NE yesterday with the drops and pre-snap penalties, just showing again NFL is such a week-to-week league. The early season powerhouses KC, NOR, and LAR have all looked vulnerable and literally ANYONE could win the Super Bowl this year - yes even the Browns. :P
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Just watched the game on DVR. Man what a defensive battle. The difference for the Steelers was the young guys Washington and Samuels stepping up big time. Not counting NE out at all, even if his arm is fading a veteran QB like Brady can still win with his brain, kinda like Peyton did in 2015 when his arm was toast.
I think a couple of those calls on NE were iffy, but then again they are the least penalized team in the league.
I don't think Brady's arm is fading. His decision making isn't looking so sharp, though. He doesn't put that ball straight up in the air for an easy pick, or makes a better decision on his final pass, and we're probably having a different conversation. Gronk's looking like he's done, though. All the more reason they should have traded him before the season started when he was being douchy. Maybe after the season we find out he's been playing through some injury we don't know about, but if this is him being as healthy as he can be then he's kaput.
Houston might well get beat by the the Eagles team we're seeing tonight. That said, there's no guarantee that NE doesn't lose stupidly to Buffalo or something. Most likely NE gets the number 3 seed and plays at home against a non AFC-W team, which should be winnable. Most likely Pitt or Indi. After that all bets are off. Unless they manage to unfuck themselves over the next couple of weeks any of the teams remaining will demolish them in the DIV round.
Yeah, his decision making was very poor yesterday. Did you see the 3rd down at the end of the game? White was wide open and I think he could have got close to the first down and could have run out of bounds.
Cowherd and the other talking heads always criticize the Steelers for being sloppy and undisciplined, but it was actually NE yesterday with the drops and pre-snap penalties, just showing again NFL is such a week-to-week league. The early season powerhouses KC, NOR, and LAR have all looked vulnerable and literally ANYONE could win the Super Bowl this year - yes even the Browns. :P
The Pats were very undisciplined.
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Just watched the game on DVR. Man what a defensive battle. The difference for the Steelers was the young guys Washington and Samuels stepping up big time. Not counting NE out at all, even if his arm is fading a veteran QB like Brady can still win with his brain, kinda like Peyton did in 2015 when his arm was toast.
I think a couple of those calls on NE were iffy, but then again they are the least penalized team in the league.
To the bolded, the Steelers showed again that the success of their run game has a lot to do with the O-line. Putting Connor in there and finding success was one thing, but doing it with a border-line guy like Samuels - I mean come on.
I'm with Barto on this, TB's arm still looks fine to me, some bad decisions yesterday though. Big difference maker in the game yesterday was Watt. He was continually getting pressure from his side and TB was rushed in the pocket because of it.
To the game as a whole - I'm still surprised the Steelers won. It felt like they would, but TB and the Pats have owned the Steelers in recent years so I still half-expected them to score at the end and take it into OT.
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I'm going to gently and with little vigor push back on the "his arm's okay..." line. Maybe in comparison with the decision-making, sure, but when you get "tired" arm, you get balls that sail high. Brady isn't known for missing and he's missing a lot, and as in that last drive, his misses are high. That floater that got intercepted, it wasn't even a good jump ball.
I don't know; I'm a deep fan of Belichick but I don't see them competing with the offenses that force mistakes and take advantage of indiscipline, like New Orleans, like Los Angeles, and (at times) like Kansas City (though I think New England beats KC in the playoffs).
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Several ex-NFL players have said that when Father Time starts to get you, your legs are the first to go, so I am not sure it is a case of Brady's arm going so much that he isn't getting the push he wants to make on certain throws. That fake doctor can rub him from head to toe till he is raw, but he is still 41. He still makes plenty of great throws and decisions, but the plays where something seems off seem to be increasing every week, even if it just a handful or so.
I will be stunned if Gronk plays after this season, and I am starting to think the same thing about Brady. I don't see him being the type who wants to hang on and keep playing when he can't play at the level he is used to.
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Maybe him not being in the OTA's for the first time is the reason for his average play? we'll have to see what he does in the off-season.
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I hate Brady. Can't stand the guy. But for all the questions about him, his season is statistically on-par with his 2006 season, when he was 29. So, a 41-year-old, having the same season he did when he was 29. Think about that. Brady is fine. (And it pains me to say that, being a Jets fan - I remember watching as Mo Lewis put that hit on Bledsoe that ended up starting Brady's career...and cheering wildly. Little did I know what would happen - lol. ANd no, not cheering for the injury, cheering that it was a huge play by the Jets.)
I don't think Brady is going to play until he is 45. If he's smart, this year or next year should be it. Retire with your ability still there, but knowing it is starting to slip, so you go out on your own terms. While Manning won a Super Bowl his last year, it sucked how that guy went out, after the career he had. Father Time gets you. You see him knocking, time to bail. He's not up to Brady's door yet, but he's clearly on the sidewalk, ready to make that turn onto Brady's property.
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Maybe him not being in the OTA's for the first time is the reason for his average play? we'll have to see what he does in the off-season.
Nah, I think he's probably done.
It'll be an interesting thing should he decide he wants to play another year. Brady is obviously loyal to the guy, as we saw during the off-season. And he'll certainly make the case that half a Gronk is still better than anybody they could bring in. He's got a 12 mil cap hit coming up, though. And his trade value is nothing close to the 1st rounder on the table 6 months ago. Bill would obviously jettison him, but it's not really looking like it's his team anymore.
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Sorry. I was talking about Brady. Gronk sure looks done.
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And that is why I cannot put this underachieving (by their standards) season on Belichick.
He wanted to keep the young, upstart QB. The owner made him trade him, thanks to Brady.
He wanted to trade Gronk in the offseason when he still had tons of value. The owner wouldn't let him, thanks to Brady.
Imagine what a dismal state the Patriots will be in next season if Brady and Gronk really do both retire. I will laugh if Belichick calls it a day as well and tells Robert Kraft, "Good luck with this disaster now." :lol :lol
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And that is why I cannot put this underachieving (by their standards) season on Belichick.
He wanted to keep the young, upstart QB. The owner made him trade him, thanks to Brady.
He wanted to trade Gronk in the offseason when he still had tons of value. The owner wouldn't let him, thanks to Brady.
Imagine what a dismal state the Patriots will be in next season if Brady and Gronk really do both retire. I will laugh if Belichick calls it a day as well and tells Robert Kraft, "Good luck with this disaster now." :lol :lol
Hell, part of me would like to see that. Kraft would have nobody to blame but himself. Presumably JMD is the fallback option when Belichick leaves; they've been grooming him for the gig. Why would he want to stick around after seeing Kraft drive the car into a tree, though? Following Bill would be a nightmare even if you still had all the pieces. Imagine trying to be the guy who has to rebuild the whole thing. He'd probably be best off bailing for Green Bay.
On a side note, can we finally just pronounce the Wittenbooger experiment a failure? I really hope they didn't do something foolish and sign these people to a three year deal or something. Surely they must have learned their lesson after Dennis Miller.
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What am I going to cry about? This was quite a run that no team will ever match.
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And that is why I cannot put this underachieving (by their standards) season on Belichick.
Sure you can. You can put it squarely on him. Sure, Brady is aging and Gronk is damaged goods, but that is not why their season is substandard. Not by any stretch. Belichick, the GM, has been atrocious. His drafts blow. He trades draft picks for guys that can't play.
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What am I going to cry about? This was quite a run that no team will ever match.
Indeed. But I would have liked to see a few years of football after Bill/Tom parted ways. I think they'd have both appreciated the opportunity to establish themselves independently, and I would have, as well.
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And that is why I cannot put this underachieving (by their standards) season on Belichick.
Sure you can. You can put it squarely on him. Sure, Brady is aging and Gronk is damaged goods, but that is not why their season is substandard. Not by any stretch. Belichick, the GM, has been atrocious. His drafts blow. He trades draft picks for guys that can't play.
Like Josh Gordon for a sixth round pick? He's an aggressive GM who makes a lot of moves. Some work and some don't. I'm not sure how you can really complain about his management after 18 years remarkable success.
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The Gordon trade has worked out so far, for sure.
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Several ex-NFL players have said that when Father Time starts to get you, your legs are the first to go, so I am not sure it is a case of Brady's arm going so much that he isn't getting the push he wants to make on certain throws. That fake doctor can rub him from head to toe till he is raw, but he is still 41. He still makes plenty of great throws and decisions, but the plays where something seems off seem to be increasing every week, even if it just a handful or so.
Well, I wrote "'tired' arm", but you're right, it IS the legs. It's the same with pitchers. Well, the "off plays" were one a game, or sometimes even one every two games. Then it was one a half. Now it's one a drive. Seriously.
I will be stunned if Gronk plays after this season, and I am starting to think the same thing about Brady. I don't see him being the type who wants to hang on and keep playing when he can't play at the level he is used to.
I don't know about Gronk, but I've already made the call (might even have been here) that I say Brady retires after this season. I think Belichick, Kraft and Brady have a real heart to heart, and that's the outcome. The only way he doesn't is if they win a Super Bowl (and I'm not even saying that then it won't happen).
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The Gordon trade has worked out so far, for sure.
A lot of them do. It's just easier to remember the ones that don't. It's also hard to compare player value with cap space. Belichick has managed the cap amazingly well over the years, and that means you get rid of good players sometimes. Gordon essentially replaces Brandon Cooks, and Brandon Cooks was a fantastic deal for The Patriots. He was a bargain under the cap, and NE got back pretty much the same thing they gave up to acquire him for that season.
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I will be stunned if Gronk plays after this season, and I am starting to think the same thing about Brady. I don't see him being the type who wants to hang on and keep playing when he can't play at the level he is used to.
I don't know about Gronk, but I've already made the call (might even have been here) that I say Brady retires after this season. I think Belichick, Kraft and Brady have a real heart to heart, and that's the outcome. The only way he doesn't is if they win a Super Bowl (and I'm not even saying that then it won't happen).
Brady doesn't retire on his own unless they win a super bowl. He might retire when Gronk goes, though. Especially if Gronk is forced out rather than retiring gracefully. JMD booking up might also be a trigger. All things being equal I think he wants to keep playing, though.
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I'm not sure how you can really complain about his management after 18 years remarkable success.
Patriots fans have slightly turned on Belichick in the sense that they will defend him against almost everyone, but when it becomes "the hoodie" vs "Tom," they aren't about to blame 12 for much, so Belichick becomes the fall guy.
Edit: And most fan bases would do the same thing when it comes to a superstar vs a coach. It is much easier to get emotionally tied to rooting for a player than rooting for a coach (unless you are a dweeb who roots for Duke :lol).
Well, I wrote "'tired' arm", but you're right, it IS the legs. It's the same with pitchers. Well, the "off plays" were one a game, or sometimes even one every two games. Then it was one a half. Now it's one a drive. Seriously.
It's not just one drive. Go compare his numbers this year vs last year. Heck, do just the eye test. He is obviously still very good, but he's not consistently playing at the GOAT-level anymore, and all you have to do is watch to see this. They have scored 10 points in three games this season. 10 points.
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I'm not sure how you can really complain about his management after 18 years remarkable success.
Patriots fans have slightly turned on Belichick in the sense that they will defend him against almost everyone, but when it becomes "the hoodie" vs "Tom," they aren't about to blame 12 for much, so Belichick becomes the fall guy.
Edit: And most fan bases would do the same thing when it comes to a superstar vs a coach. It is much easier to get emotionally tied to rooting for a player than rooting for a coach (unless you are a dweeb who roots for Duke :lol).
Well, I wrote "'tired' arm", but you're right, it IS the legs. It's the same with pitchers. Well, the "off plays" were one a game, or sometimes even one every two games. Then it was one a half. Now it's one a drive. Seriously.
It's not just one drive. Go compare his numbers this year vs last year. Heck, do just the eye test. He is obviously still very good, but he's not consistently playing at the GOAT-level anymore, and all you have to do is watch to see this. They have scored 10 points in three games this season. 10 points.
I didn't say "one drive"; I said "one off play PER drive".
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Looks like Scam Newton will miss the playoffs. Gee that's a shame. Really hope Brees plays like this again next week, he's had 3 sub-par games in a row.
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Looks like Scam Newton will miss the playoffs. Gee that's a shame. Really hope Brees plays like this again next week, he's had 3 sub-par games in a row.
Brees cost me my Fantasy championship last night. All I needed was him to score 10pts or more. He had 6.
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Forget about getting Cam a beer to cry in. He'll need something much stronger. :hat
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Another thing to consider in the Brady conversation.
Tom famously is a pocket passer, he likes to throw in the pocket, or if pressure comes, he likes to step up in the pocket and throw. He's never really excelled at running side to side out of the pocket and connecting on throws. The Steelers forced him out of the pocket and didn't allow him to step up in the pocket to avoid the rush. When he need to push out of the pocket, he was inaccurate or he refused to scramble and made mistakes. In the past, the Steelers had failed to do this. I think it was a combination of TB's skills and reaction time becoming slightly diminished, plus his O-line was not great. In the past, his pass protection seemed much better. Couple that with Gronk's disappearing act (Gronk would often bail TB out when the pressure came by getting open for those nice pickups over the middle) and I think it's just all catching up.
That said, this Steelers fan would still not want to play NE in the playoffs. I have a feeling BB and TB would still find a way to beat Tomlin and the Steelers when all the chips are on the table.
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I fully expect Brees to return to form in the dome. They're never a great road team, but they found ways to win divisional road games to maintain home field advantage.
I think the Ravens have won their last game of 2018. Jackson will be exposed in LA this week and I think Baker gets him in week 17.
Will be interesting to see how well Mahomes plays in Seattle. Tough place to play, especially since Seattle still has something to play for.
McVay's too savy not to get the Rams' recent woes turned around. Let the offense run through Gurley, and if teams are zeroing in on him, give Goff quick throws/confidence boosting plays.
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Looks like Scam Newton will miss the playoffs. Gee that's a shame. Really hope Brees plays like this again next week, he's had 3 sub-par games in a row.
Brees cost me my Fantasy championship last night. All I needed was him to score 10pts or more. He had 6.
And that allowed my wife to advance to the finals. Meanwhile, I finished 3rd in my league, second in total points with 128 per game.....and got a whopping 60 this weekend. :tdwn
btw...last night's 12-9 game was just as entertaining to me as that 54-51 MNF shootout of a few weeks ago.
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Imagine what a dismal state the Patriots will be in next season if Brady and Gronk really do both retire. I will laugh if Belichick calls it a day as well and tells Robert Kraft, "Good luck with this disaster now." :lol :lol
I've never been a Pats fan. My current feelings are that this dynasty commands respect, and I do respect them immensely and root for them selectively. And whenever something like this happens with a team, it's frustrating when they squander their potential to be so much more. That's what has happened. And while I don't really wish them any ill as a team, it would be deeply satisfying to see the above scenario play out.
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I want the Jets to win the division at least once before Brady and/or Belichick call it a day. I don’t want to hear any excuses about how they only did it because those two guys were gone.
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Last night was text book Cam. He gets into a jam - it was third and maybe 8? I'm sure Kev will set me straight if I have it wrong :) - and does a nice job of rushing for the first down, taking a solid hit in the process but bulling his way to a first down. He gets up and he's dabbing, and pointing, and smirking, and this and that... next play throws a crappy interception that a DII college QB knows not to make (THROW IT LONG!!!) and takes his team out of a game-changing sequence. That's not what you need from your leader. Meantime, Drew Brees just does what he needs to do to win. Yeah, I'm sure that he'd love to throw for 400 yards and 4 TDs each game, but Brees is smart enough to know that a Super Bowl trophy means more than that.
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Cam has been playing hurt most of the season (right shoulder). For the first half of the season, he was playing great, but it has really caught up with him over the last couple of games. He didn't have any juice in his arm last night.
Too bad, because the defense played their asses off last night. Shame it was a wasted performance due to the offensive issues.
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Christ, Wittenbooger is calling the super bowl this year. I had no idea. The good news is that I suspect that will lead to far more criticism, and hopefully a change in course.
https://nypost.com/2018/12/18/a-no-comment-booger-mobile-less-test-espn-could-revamp-mnf/
Interesting article, but ESPN seems to have missed the point. They're going to bring Booger into the booth. I actually think the Booger-mobile is a pretty good idea. He's got a unique vantage point which gives him good insight into the game on the field. I don't really think the problem is that he's detached from the other two is the problem. I suppose it might help a little, though. Seems to me the biggest issue is that Booger is the dominant voice, and Witten doesn't really want to get involved much. Better idea would probably me to make it the Witten-mobile, and let him chime in when he has something to contribute.
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Christ, Wittenbooger is calling the super bowl this year. I had no idea. The good news is that I suspect that will lead to far more criticism, and hopefully a change in course.
I would say that the good news is that those of us in the U.S. won't have to listen to this mess. CBS has U.S. broadcast rights, and I assume that means Jim Nantz and Tony Romo. The TessWittenBooger team will be on "ESPN International’s broadcast of the Super Bowl." I assume that means an English language broadcast outside the U.S.
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Christ, Wittenbooger is calling the super bowl this year. I had no idea. The good news is that I suspect that will lead to far more criticism, and hopefully a change in course.
I would say that the good news is that those of us in the U.S. won't have to listen to this mess. CBS has U.S. broadcast rights, and I assume that means Jim Nantz and Tony Romo. The TessWittenBooger team will be on "ESPN International’s broadcast of the Super Bowl." I assume that means an English language broadcast outside the U.S.
Ah, I didn't catch that. It'll be better for the game, but I was hoping for a massive outcry of incensed 1-day football fans.
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So I've been dealing with some weird feelings lately. I'm a Cleveland native, and as such, a Browns fan, and I'm enjoying watching Browns football for the first time since I was a kid in the late 80's. Watching the most recent game against the Broncos, even when they were down 13-10, I knew the Browns were going to win. Like, I had a confidence that they could close it out against the Broncos that I have never felt before. Even though Baker Mayfield was not having a great game, I had this feeling that he just needed one drive to make it happen. And then the defense got the interception and sure enough, Browns score the touchdown to go ahead. Hey Patriots fans, does this feeling get old? I hope it doesn't.
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Christ, Wittenbooger is calling the super bowl this year. I had no idea. The good news is that I suspect that will lead to far more criticism, and hopefully a change in course.
I would say that the good news is that those of us in the U.S. won't have to listen to this mess. CBS has U.S. broadcast rights, and I assume that means Jim Nantz and Tony Romo. The TessWittenBooger team will be on "ESPN International’s broadcast of the Super Bowl." I assume that means an English language broadcast outside the U.S.
I despise Jim Nantz; not so much the man, but the announcer. He always seems to want to make every event "one for the ages", and mid-season NFL games just don't have that gravitas. Plus I'm still bitter over that first Uconn-Duke NCAA Championship where he was almost dumbfounded that Uconn would have the NERVE to challenge the sacred Mike Krzyzewski. I'd much rather have Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth.
Having said that, as much as I didn't like Romo on the field, he's fast becoming one of my favorites in the booth. He's smart - smarter than I thought, honestly - and he doesn't succumb to the typical rookie mistake of making everything into the "Immaculate Reception"; he's got a good mix of enthusiasm and realism.
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So I've been dealing with some weird feelings lately. I'm a Cleveland native, and as such, a Browns fan, and I'm enjoying watching Browns football for the first time since I was a kid in the late 80's. Watching the most recent game against the Broncos, even when they were down 13-10, I knew the Browns were going to win. Like, I had a confidence that they could close it out against the Broncos that I have never felt before. Even though Baker Mayfield was not having a great game, I had this feeling that he just needed one drive to make it happen. And then the defense got the interception and sure enough, Browns score the touchdown to go ahead. Hey Patriots fans, does this feeling get old? I hope it doesn't.
Nope. Never gets old. But it's not permanent, either. There will be games when the team just doesn't look right, and you'll be hoping instead that they don't choke away their 4 point lead. On the bright side, there might be a time when you know your team is going to win the super bowl when they're only down by 19. :biggrin:
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So I've been dealing with some weird feelings lately. I'm a Cleveland native, and as such, a Browns fan, and I'm enjoying watching Browns football for the first time since I was a kid in the late 80's. Watching the most recent game against the Broncos, even when they were down 13-10, I knew the Browns were going to win. Like, I had a confidence that they could close it out against the Broncos that I have never felt before. Even though Baker Mayfield was not having a great game, I had this feeling that he just needed one drive to make it happen. And then the defense got the interception and sure enough, Browns score the touchdown to go ahead. Hey Patriots fans, does this feeling get old? I hope it doesn't.
Nope. Never gets old. But it's not permanent, either. There will be games when the team just doesn't look right, and you'll be hoping instead that they don't choke away their 4 point lead. On the bright side, there might be a time when you know your team is going to win the super bowl when they're only down by 19. :biggrin:
It's actually worse when it goes away, since the roller coaster is more extreme. At least with the Giants, I know what I'm going to get (the opposite way) and so there's no false hope, no great expectations, no feeling of being let down. :)
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The Browns are reaping the benefits of high draft picks and the absence of Hue. Should be a hell of a division for the next few years especially if Cincy rebounds. Getting rid of that garbage Burfict would be a good start, he’s rated as one of the worst linebackers in the league.
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With the Browns, we'll see who they get as their head coach and how they handle higher expectations. It's one thing to win when your season is in the toilet and you can surprise people, but it's another to win when you are expected to win.
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Lol at Brady being selected for the Pro Bowl over Andrew Luck.
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Pro Bowl nominations have been a sham for as long as I can remember.
Wilson should have made it in the NFC as well over both Rodgers and Goff.
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I miss the days of the pro bowl being after the Super Bowl. Seems bizarre to me that they would advertise this as an all star game without stars from the super bowl contenders.
And yeah, sucks about all of the snubs. Pretty crazy to see Kamara and McCaffery not voted in, but understandable considering the RBs that did get in. Needless to say, the position has gotten deep.
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I miss the days of the pro bowl being after the Super Bowl. Seems bizarre to me that they would advertise this as an all star game without stars from the super bowl contenders.
And yeah, sucks about all of the snubs. Pretty crazy to see Kamara and McCaffery not voted in, but understandable considering the RBs that did get in. Needless to say, the position has gotten deep.
I agree with all of this.
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Christ, Wittenbooger is calling the super bowl this year. I had no idea. The good news is that I suspect that will lead to far more criticism, and hopefully a change in course.
I would say that the good news is that those of us in the U.S. won't have to listen to this mess. CBS has U.S. broadcast rights, and I assume that means Jim Nantz and Tony Romo. The TessWittenBooger team will be on "ESPN International’s broadcast of the Super Bowl." I assume that means an English language broadcast outside the U.S.
I despise Jim Nantz; not so much the man, but the announcer. He always seems to want to make every event "one for the ages", and mid-season NFL games just don't have that gravitas. Plus I'm still bitter over that first Uconn-Duke NCAA Championship where he was almost dumbfounded that Uconn would have the NERVE to challenge the sacred Mike Krzyzewski. I'd much rather have Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth.
Having said that, as much as I didn't like Romo on the field, he's fast becoming one of my favorites in the booth. He's smart - smarter than I thought, honestly - and he doesn't succumb to the typical rookie mistake of making everything into the "Immaculate Reception"; he's got a good mix of enthusiasm and realism.
I'm totally with you on Romo. He might be my favorite color guy in the booth calling games right now.
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I'm totally with you on Romo. He might be my favorite color guy in the booth calling games right now.
His enthusiasm is hard not to like, but there are times I wince a little, like when he gets a little too forceful when trying to say how a QB should handle this situation or that situation (considering Romo was not known for situational greatness :lol).
He is a million times better than his old pat Witten, however, which obviously is not difficult.
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Glad to see Flacco finally benched. Nobody ever got more out of a lucky 4 game stretch in NFL history. Signed a huge contract and didn’t do squat after.
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That's not true at all. He's elite. Just as Destiny Of Chaos.
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LOL, not any more. Carson Wentz is elite now. Oh wait...that's not true either. :lolpalm:
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Carson Wentz's stock has really taken a hit. It was a little over a year ago when he looked All-World on his way to leading his team to the 1 seed...and then he got hurt...and then his backup led the team to the Super Bowl...and then they won the Super Bowl with his backup being the MVP...and then he came back this year and struggled at times...and then got hurt again, showing that he seems to be injury-prone...and then his backup came back again and led them to a huge road upset of the 11-2 Rams. He went from being on the verge of elite to a good QB who might be a bit too injury-prone.
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I'm wondering about Jimmy G with that as well. Can't stay on the field. And it's on him for those injuries too.
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That's not true at all. He's elite. Just as Destiny Of Chaos.
LOL, not any more. Carson Wentz is elite now. Oh wait...that's not true either. :lolpalm:
No need to misquote me gentlemen. I never said Flacco was elite. I said that he played at an elite level during the 2012 playoff run, but that's it. In fact I've stated several times that he's not elite.
As for Wentz, last year, I said he was trending towards elite, prior to the injury. This year, it looks like he was brought back too soon, and some of the magic seems to have followed Reich to Indy. So while Wentz still has the potential to be elite.... he's got a long way to go to get back there.
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That's not true at all. He's elite. Just as Destiny Of Chaos.
LOL, not any more. Carson Wentz is elite now. Oh wait...that's not true either. :lolpalm:
No need to misquote me gentlemen. I never said Flacco was elite. I said that he played at an elite level during the 2012 playoff run, but that's it. In fact I've stated several times that he's not elite.
As for Wentz, last year, I said he was trending towards elite, prior to the injury. This year, it looks like he was brought back too soon, and some of the magic seems to have followed Reich to Indy. So while Wentz still has the potential to be elite.... he's got a long way to go to get back there.
I think when it come to Wentz you have to throw this year out when comes to the "elite" discussion. He's not there yet, but the Eagles saw a ridiculous amount of injuries this year especially to the O-line and RB. The whole team was down this year, not just wentz.
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But are they having fun? That's what matters right Lane Johnson?
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Josh Gordon done again. I guess this shouldn't surprise anybody, but for some reason it kind of does. Kid's got talent. Shame he's such a knucklehead.
https://www.wcvb.com/article/josh-gordon-stepping-away-from-football-to-focus-on-mental-health/25640762
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Josh Gordon done again. I guess this shouldn't surprise anybody, but for some reason it kind of does. Kid's got talent. Shame he's such a knucklehead.
https://www.wcvb.com/article/josh-gordon-stepping-away-from-football-to-focus-on-mental-health/25640762
Talk about a kid that can't get out of his own way. Such a talent. Loosing so much money of a game we'd all wish we could play for a living.
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Josh Gordon done again. I guess this shouldn't surprise anybody, but for some reason it kind of does. Kid's got talent. Shame he's such a knucklehead.
https://www.wcvb.com/article/josh-gordon-stepping-away-from-football-to-focus-on-mental-health/25640762
Exactly what we went through with Martavis Bryant. Which reminds me, I keep hearing how the Steelers are lucky with drafting elite receiver talent - since AB in 2010 who exactly outside of JuJu has made any impact at all? The Steelers had to play the 2016 AFC Championship Game (after AB got hurt) with 3 receivers who aren't even on a roster now. Even Le'Veon Bell was over-rated last year, he averaged barely 4 yards a carry but sometimes had a heavy work load to compensate. Now the Chargers on the other hand, they've got some receivers . . .
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If you read Josh's statement it sounds like he wants to work on himself. Truth is, he's been busted again for the league substance abuse and was getting indefinitely suspended. PR all the way.
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Josh Gordon done again. I guess this shouldn't surprise anybody, but for some reason it kind of does. Kid's got talent. Shame he's such a knucklehead.
https://www.wcvb.com/article/josh-gordon-stepping-away-from-football-to-focus-on-mental-health/25640762
Exactly what we went through with Martavis Bryant. Which reminds me, I keep hearing how the Steelers are lucky with drafting elite receiver talent - since AB in 2010 who exactly outside of JuJu has made any impact at all? The Steelers had to play the 2016 AFC Championship Game (after AB got hurt) with 3 receivers who aren't even on a roster now. Even Le'Veon Bell was over-rated last year, he averaged barely 4 yards a carry but sometimes had a heavy work load to compensate. Now the Chargers on the other hand, they've got some receivers . . .
Not a direct answer to your specific question, but a long term run of Ward -> Holmes -> Brown -> Smith-Sheuster, and is a run that many teams would love to have.
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Not to mention that Mike Wallace was really good there for a few years at the start of this decade.
And they did draft Emmanuel Sanders, who became a very good WR (albeit not till he came to Denver).
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Josh Gordon done again. I guess this shouldn't surprise anybody, but for some reason it kind of does. Kid's got talent. Shame he's such a knucklehead.
https://www.wcvb.com/article/josh-gordon-stepping-away-from-football-to-focus-on-mental-health/25640762
I thought that the environment might be enough to swing the pendulum a bit; I think we forget that even to get to that level requires a ton of effort and commitment, it's just the precious view that can sustain it and continue that (mental) toughness for what is considered a "career". I thought that being around other guys - Edelman, Hogan, Gronk, Brady - that didn't really fuck around with that stuff might be enough.
It's not. Sad, because I think he really gave glimpses of what COULD be, and man did it look good.
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Hey, since we're off the "Wentz" bandwagon now, we've got one foot on the ground with the "Jimmy G" bandwagon (though I think that's not a completely written story yet; he hasn't returned to play for the Pats yet), and the clock is ticking on the "Mahomes is the next Tom Brady!" bandwagon, anyone want to start in on the "Lamar Jackson" bandwagon? Surely he's the next whoever, right? He's got four games under his belt. That's enough.
Speaking of Jimmy G, I'm not at all saying that Bill planned all this, but sometimes luck favors the prepared, and this could play out fantastically for the Pats. I believe Brady's seasons are now measured in the low single digits (three at the outside, in my opinion), I think Josh McDaniels is the next head coach of the Green Bay Packers, and I think Jimmy's stock is at best even, if not dropping a little. I can see another season, and if Jimmy doesn't put up top ten numbers, the Pats take him back in a relative - a RELATIVE - fire sale, and Bill is in about as good a shape as he could ever expected in a post-Brady world.
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Comparing Mahomes' start to Brady's start is an insult to Mahomes, not to Brady. Of course Mahomes is off to a sizzling start, and he has a long way to go to pass the many great QBs ahead of him in terms of legacy, but let's not pretend that Brady was some superstar QB his first years in the league. He was a good QB on a great defensive team.
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Comparing Mahomes' start to Brady's start is an insult to Mahomes, not to Brady. Of course Mahomes is off to a sizzling start, and he has a long way to go to pass the many great QBs ahead of him in terms of legacy, but let's not pretend that Brady was some superstar QB his first years in the league. He was a good QB on a great defensive team.
Well to be clear I wasn't comparing the early Brady to the early Mahomes; that's on others. But I wouldn't compare Mahomes to Brady on ANY level. Watching him in that last game come up short, but throwing off the wrong foot, heaving prayer passes with the wrong hand... I think he's been drinking some of his own Kool-Aid, and that's not a recipe for success in the National Football League. Couple that with the necessary and inevitable late season Andy Reid fold, and I believe Kansas City is in for a tall, cool glass of reality in the next couple weeks/months. If you're going to excuse Brady because of his "defense" or "Belichick" or "Gronk", then SURELY you have to take some account of Hill, Kelce, et al in Kansas City.
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Comparing Mahomes' start to Brady's start is an insult to Mahomes, not to Brady. Of course Mahomes is off to a sizzling start, and he has a long way to go to pass the many great QBs ahead of him in terms of legacy, but let's not pretend that Brady was some superstar QB his first years in the league. He was a good QB on a great defensive team.
Well to be clear I wasn't comparing the early Brady to the early Mahomes; that's on others. But I wouldn't compare Mahomes to Brady on ANY level. Watching him in that last game come up short, but throwing off the wrong foot, heaving prayer passes with the wrong hand... I think he's been drinking some of his own Kool-Aid, and that's not a recipe for success in the National Football League. Couple that with the necessary and inevitable late season Andy Reid fold, and I believe Kansas City is in for a tall, cool glass of reality in the next couple weeks/months. If you're going to excuse Brady because of his "defense" or "Belichick" or "Gronk", then SURELY you have to take some account of Hill, Kelce, et al in Kansas City.
Mahomes strikes me as an insanely talented dude. His talents probably allowed for the throwing off of the wrong foot/wrong hand to have minimal consequences in high school and college football. He like any young player needs to realize that the NFL is an entirely different beast. I have no doubts he'll clean it up and learn a bit of discretion. Also, as far as he goes, I don't consider a non-Super Bowl appearance this year as a failure. Sure if they go one and done in the playoffs, or even lose in the AFC Championship game.... all of that Andy Reid talk will be the story, but what Mahomes has done this season could be argued as the best first full season at the QB position in NFL history. And while I acknowledge that he has a lot of weapons to help him, it is also fair to say that more is expected of him because the defense has been terrible more often than not this year. I think that needs to be factored in.
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I have noticed that Mahomes doesn't have always have great fundamentals, because, like you said, DOC, his talent is off the charts and he is used to getting away with it - Aaron Rodgers is guilty of this as well - but it will catch up to him at some point. He has just gotten away with it more often than not this year because he is surrounded by such great skill position players (best TE in the league and the scariest/fastest WR, not to mention he had a stud RB for most of the season). Don't get me wrong, he has still had an unreal season and will be first season All-Pro...and it took five seasons for Brady to even get good enough to be second team All-Pro, so there's that, so yeah, the Brady/Mahomes comparison really doesn't make sense since Brady slowly evolved into a great QB, while Mahomes appears to already be there, although recent history has shown us that you have to do it more than once to really be great (see: Dak two years ago, Wentz last year).
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Just heard Curt Menefee, for at least the second time say "The Saints can clinch a bye with a win tomorrow." during the Redskins/Titans game. Bruh...they lock up the #1 seed with a victory so it just sounds dumb the way he's putting it since it basically makes it come off like he (or more realistically, the person spoon-feeding him what to say via ear piece) doesn't even know the Saints own the tiebreaker against the Rams despite their meeting earlier this season being, at worst, the 4th most publicized game of this season with only LAR/KC, KC/NE, and LAC/KC possibly being ahead of it.
Aside from being a polite puppet with a pleasant smile, I have no idea what Fox sees in Menefee even taking into account how already-horrible basically their entire crew is and has been since they acquired the NFC package in 1994.
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Just heard Curt Menefee, for at least the second time say "The Saints can clinch a bye with a win tomorrow." during the Redskins/Titans game. Bruh...they lock up the #1 seed with a victory so it just sounds dumb the way he's putting it since it basically makes it come off like he (or more realistically, the person spoon-feeding him what to say via ear piece) doesn't even know the Saints own the tiebreaker against the Rams despite their meeting earlier this season being, at worst, the 4th most publicized game of this season with only LAR/KC, KC/NE, and LAC/KC possibly being ahead of it.
Aside from being a polite puppet with a pleasant smile, I have no idea what Fox sees in Menefee even taking into account how already-horrible basically their entire crew is and has been since they acquired the NFC package in 1994.
The Saints could conceivably wind up with the third seed if they lose tomorrow. You're focusing on the Rams but the Bears are also in play.
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The Saints would have to lose consecutive games for the first time all season with both games at home and a McDonald's employee at QB for the Panthers in week 17. You're looking pretty far down the slope of probability there. Also, any loss by the Rams or Bears guarantees the Saints a bye. Even if the Saints lose both games, both the Rams and Bears have to win both of their remaining games to prevent the Saints from getting the #1 seed.
Additionally, the point I'm making is that Fox is utilizing their commentators to sell the games in the most hype-worthy way possible so it makes zero sense to "hype" a game while short-arming what's at stake. It sounds more exciting to hear that a team can clinch homefield throughout the playoffs than it does to say they're simply getting a bye.
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Rivers shitting the bed so far. Thanks a lot Phyllis.
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I only saw the last few minutes of the game tonight, but given how nasty their D and running game have been, I am not surprised the Ravens pulled the upset.
Now, the Steelers probably have to win at New Orleans tomorrow to make the playoffs. If they lose tomorrow and the Colts win, the Ravens win the division with a week 17 win and Colts/Titans would be for the 2nd wild card.
Which means the Steelers will pull the upset tomorrow. :lol :lol
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After the loss in Game 15 on the last play to the Steelers in 2016, and the gut wrenching last minute 4th and 12 loss to the Bengals last year in the final game, and the loss to KC this year, the win tonight was huge. Almost clutched defeat from the jaws of victory because the offense went in the tank, but the defense really shined late. Only 198 total yards for the Chargers.
Oddly....it sets up a game next week that now scares the daylights out of many of the Ravens fans: a win or go home matchup against the Browns.
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The AFC North is still a hell of a division. Even with 3 rookie/backup QBs it is the only division with no team worse than 6-8.
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Gronk has turned into Raiders era Randy Moss. At this point the guy's bordering on liability.
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Brady is definitely injured. Just left the game.
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Brady is definitely injured. Just left the game.
He didn't look injured at all. I figured it was just them calling the game a foregone conclusion, but that is atypical of BB. They weren't looking at him on the sideline, and he just looked morose.
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I heard the radio pregame while having lunch at work...I missed the game, but Zo was mentioning how Brady's pregame routine was abbreviated.
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Brady is definitely injured. Just left the game.
He didn't look injured at all. I figured it was just them calling the game a foregone conclusion, but that is atypical of BB. They weren't looking at him on the sideline, and he just looked morose.
Brady did not do his pre game run the whole field and scream the "Let's go!"
His knee is not right. He won't say it but we see it locally.
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NOW Boswell makes a kick. Couldn’t make the chip shots against the Browns or Raiders. Leading the league with 12 missed kicks. Thanks to this clown, in desperation mode.
LOL at that dpi against Haden.
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Third straight strong performance by Darnold since he came back from his foot injury. Feeling good about his future.
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Anyone watching the Pit-NO game? Pretty sure I can tell who the best player on the field is.
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Thank goodness the Packers let Rodgers play in a meaningless game which all but eliminated any chance of a top ten draft pick.
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Anyone watching the Pit-NO game? Pretty sure I can tell who the best player on the field is.
The back judge? That ref should be fired, and by fired I mean literally set on fire.
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SEAHAWKS DO IT AGAIN!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal Some great offensive plays by them in this one. Playoffs again, for a predicted 4 win team! :lol
And don't go blaming it on the refs. Chiefs had plenty of chances to score and failed, just like the Vikings. Chiefs tried to on-side kick it at the end and failed. Not the refs fault.
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SEAHAWKS DO IT AGAIN!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal Some great offensive plays by them in this one. Playoffs again, for a predicted 4 win team! :lol
And don't go blaming it on the refs. Chiefs had plenty of chances to score and failed, just like the Vikings. Chiefs tried to on-side kick it at the end and failed. Not the refs fault.
People called me nuts for saying they would be 10-6 this year. We beat the Cardinals at home next week, and I nailed it perfect.
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Anyone watching the Pit-NO game? Pretty sure I can tell who the best player on the field is.
Ratings for the Steelers-Saints game were probably through the roof in Baltimore...
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SEAHAWKS DO IT AGAIN!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal Some great offensive plays by them in this one. Playoffs again, for a predicted 4 win team! :lol
And don't go blaming it on the refs. Chiefs had plenty of chances to score and failed, just like the Vikings. Chiefs tried to on-side kick it at the end and failed. Not the refs fault.
People called me nuts for saying they would be 10-6 this year. We beat the Cardinals at home next week, and I nailed it perfect.
Back in September one of my friends on FB was asking everyone what they thought would be the outcome of the Seahawks, and I said 10-6 too. It looks like we could be right as long as they beat the Cardinals..
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Hell Yeah Seahawks pulled it off...
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Something like 14 out of 15 years now that at least one team who finished worst in their division finishes 1st the following season. To me, Houston is that team...provided that Watson and Watt have a healthy season. I expect Jacksonville to come back to earth a bit.
Chicago is the other team I expect to rise from the ashes. And while I don't expect overtake Minnesota for the division, they may have a very good campaign regardless.
Oakland I think is set up for failure. Gruden just seems set in his old ways. That defense is going to get gashed.
I don't see Kansas City finishing in last place. I have them barely edging out the Chargers for the division... and while I think the Chargers will be good, they've already had some bad injuries and seem to be a snakebitten franchise.
Seattle had a crazy offseason... but I think Wilson wills them to a 2nd place finish. San Fran will be better.. but they still have issues to address before actually being a competitor. I wish they would make a trade for Coleman or Bell. That would be exciting.
I guess if we're talking about preseason picks....... I was close on some things.....
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You always have a chance when you have a top 5 coach (Carroll) and a top 5 QB (Wilson).
I only saw the last few minutes of Saints/Steelers, but I did enjoy seeing them lost in agonizing fashion. :biggrin:
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You always have a chance when you have a top 5 coach (Carroll) and a top 5 QB (Wilson).
I only saw the last few minutes of Saints/Steelers, but I did enjoy seeing them lost in agonizing fashion. :biggrin:
Ya....this. I'm still bitter about SB40.
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Something like 14 out of 15 years now that at least one team who finished worst in their division finishes 1st the following season. To me, Houston is that team...provided that Watson and Watt have a healthy season. I expect Jacksonville to come back to earth a bit.
Chicago is the other team I expect to rise from the ashes. And while I don't expect overtake Minnesota for the division, they may have a very good campaign regardless.
Oakland I think is set up for failure. Gruden just seems set in his old ways. That defense is going to get gashed.
I don't see Kansas City finishing in last place. I have them barely edging out the Chargers for the division... and while I think the Chargers will be good, they've already had some bad injuries and seem to be a snakebitten franchise.
Seattle had a crazy offseason... but I think Wilson wills them to a 2nd place finish. San Fran will be better.. but they still have issues to address before actually being a competitor. I wish they would make a trade for Coleman or Bell. That would be exciting.
I guess if we're talking about preseason picks....... I was close on some things.....
Wow, you were pretty spot on! Except for the 49ers. However, they did beat Seattle last week. Seattle totally made up for it on last night's game against KC. What a game!!!
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Fingers crossed that Jared Cook has a quiet game tonight.
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Predictably, there is nothing on ESPN’s homepage about what several other football sites are calling a “historically” awful dpi call on Joe Haden that completely changed the game. Even a Saints fan said it was the worst he’d ever seen. Throw in a couple of the usual Tomlin blunders and there goes another season. Go Chiefs I guess.
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Something like 14 out of 15 years now that at least one team who finished worst in their division finishes 1st the following season. To me, Houston is that team...provided that Watson and Watt have a healthy season. I expect Jacksonville to come back to earth a bit.
Chicago is the other team I expect to rise from the ashes. And while I don't expect overtake Minnesota for the division, they may have a very good campaign regardless.
Oakland I think is set up for failure. Gruden just seems set in his old ways. That defense is going to get gashed.
I don't see Kansas City finishing in last place. I have them barely edging out the Chargers for the division... and while I think the Chargers will be good, they've already had some bad injuries and seem to be a snakebitten franchise.
Seattle had a crazy offseason... but I think Wilson wills them to a 2nd place finish. San Fran will be better.. but they still have issues to address before actually being a competitor. I wish they would make a trade for Coleman or Bell. That would be exciting.
I guess if we're talking about preseason picks....... I was close on some things.....
Wow, you were pretty spot on! Except for the 49ers. However, they did beat Seattle last week. Seattle totally made up for it on last night's game against KC. What a game!!!
Thanks....I think I get a pass on SF due to all of their injuries.
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Predictably, there is nothing on ESPN’s homepage about what several other football sites are calling a “historically” awful dpi call on Joe Haden that completely changed the game. Even a Saints fan said it was the worst he’d ever seen. Throw in a couple of the usual Tomlin blunders and there goes another season. Go Chiefs I guess.
I didn't see the play until today, but while it can be called ticky-tack, Haden did have his hand on Kamara's back and appeared to give a little nudge that made it impossible for Kamara to jump and make a play on the ball. An iffy call, but historically awful? Come on, now.
You want historically awful? Go watch SB40.
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You want historically awful? Go watch SB40.
Or better still, SB XIII. Seattle got beaten by Pitt. It wasn't the refs that let Randall-el burn them, or Bettis grind out the clock. Dallas and Pitt was a close game, until a ridiculous call gave Pitt a 1st down in the 4th quarter. Without that Dallas has all the momentum going forward.
https://youtu.be/GmxG1NlrB-c?t=822
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You want historically awful? Go watch SB40.
Or better still, SB XIII. Seattle got beaten by Pitt. It wasn't the refs that let Randall-el burn them, or Bettis grind out the clock. Dallas and Pitt was a close game, until a ridiculous call gave Pitt a 1st down in the 4th quarter. Without that Dallas has all the momentum going forward.
https://youtu.be/GmxG1NlrB-c?t=822
But it WAS the refs that give Pitt a TD when Big Ben never crossed the goal line. >:(
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The Saints suffered the majority of the bad calls early on and then things gradually seemed to even out and it seemed like they were calling a needlessly tight game start to finish. Anyone who's not a Saints fan will likely be unaware of how the Saints got brutally hosed by the zebras year in and year out until we became a media darling during the early Payton/Brees years. Once Goodell did his bounty bullshit, they were a marked team again and have been on the shit's end of the stick for the overwhelming majority of poorly called games they've been a part of (Thursday night Falcons meeting last year comes to mind.)
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You want historically awful? Go watch SB40.
Or better still, SB XIII. Seattle got beaten by Pitt. It wasn't the refs that let Randall-el burn them, or Bettis grind out the clock. Dallas and Pitt was a close game, until a ridiculous call gave Pitt a 1st down in the 4th quarter. Without that Dallas has all the momentum going forward.
https://youtu.be/GmxG1NlrB-c?t=822
But it WAS the refs that give Pitt a TD when Big Ben never crossed the goal line. >:(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N93VaUytd4w
At the top of his jump the ball was over the white line. And if you dispute that, it was a 3rd down play with Jerome Bettis ready, willing and able to punch it through on the next down.
The whole thing about the refs screwing Seattle in that game is a huge myth. Nobody made their over-rated TE step on his dick the whole game. Nobody made their WR obviously push off on a sure TD catch. Nobody made their secondary get completely fooled on a trick play. And nobody made their entire defense part like the red sea when Willy Parker had his long run. Seattle did themselves in and started pointing fingers.
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Happy Festivus Maximus....
Well, the PTB switched the meaningful games to later starts again. I would gladly tune in to the Chiefs or the Chargers games, and flip to the Bears-Vikings. But they moved the AFC North games from 1pm, so I'll be tuning into ONLY the Ravens-Browns. They did this last year to Balto......a NY Eve that screwed over just about everyone.
I'm glad they don't do a MNF game on the last week anymore. Wish they'd do away with the SNF game for the final week as well. I feel for the Colts-Titans fans.
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Happy Festivus Maximus....
Well, the PTB switched the meaningful games to later starts again. I would gladly tune in to the Chiefs or the Chargers games, and flip to the Bears-Vikings. But they moved the AFC North games from 1pm, so I'll be tuning into ONLY the Ravens-Browns. They did this last year to Balto......a NY Eve that screwed over just about everyone.
I'm glad they don't do a MNF game on the last week anymore. Wish they'd do away with the SNF game for the final week as well. I feel for the Colts-Titans fans.
The Colts-Titans in Nashville should be a good game. I did not realize that the Titans have not beaten the Colts with Luck as quarterback.
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Pre-Week 17 Power Rankings
1. Saints - two home wins from the Super Bowl
2. Rams - not sure beating the Cards means they righted the ship, but they should be able lock down a bye this week
3. Chargers - tough loss that probably cost them the division, but they are still 10-2 in their last 12
4. Bears - that defense will give them a shot in any playoff game
5. Ravens - unstoppable run game and great D might make them the team to beat in the AFC, regardless of seeding
6. Chiefs - they'll probably grab the 1 seed this week, but after two losses in a row and reminders of how bad that defense is, they have divisional round home loss written all over them
7. Patriots - they look vulnerable, but with a bye and a weak number 1 seed, they might need just two home wins to make the Super Bowl
8. Cowboys - inconsistent passing game is a concern, but their defense is legit
9. Texans - still a team almost no one trusts, although DeSean Watson and DeAndre Hopkins are both special
10. Seahawks - As great as they look at home, they will need to get a lot better on the road to make any playoff noise
Trending up:
Colts - things are looking up for this franchise
Titans - can they finally beat Andrew Luck?
Vikings - getting it together finally
Eagles - Nick Foles saving the day again, but it is too late?
Browns - imagine if they had not given away the first six weeks or so when they stuck with Hue Jackson
Trending down:
Steelers - a team with this much talent should not be missing the playoffs
Broncos - please fire Vance Joseph
Dolphins - I will ask again, was anyone really buying this team when they had that surprise start?
Panthers - still stunned at their collapse, but Ron Rivera should not take the fall for it
Bengals - Marvin Lewis + Hue Jackson = disaster
Top 5 MVP Contenders
1. Patrick Mahomes - despite the back to back losses, the award is his
2. Drew Brees - likely looking at another 2nd place finish
3. Philip Rivers - phenomenal season overall, but any shot he had went out the window Saturday night
4. Andrew Luck - he's not getting the pub for it, but he should probably be much more in the conversation than he is
5. Russell Wilson - it still feels like many do not acknowledge how great he is
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Kev, just wanted to say that these are great weekly recaps that you do. Very informed and informative. I'm not football dumb (kind of), but I appreciate these insightful lists.
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I'm registering my dissent (again!) on Mahomes. I say it goes to Rivers, or, if you have to have the team be a winner, Brees. You're seeing the real Mahomes now. Close but no cigar when the chips are on the line.
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I'm registering my dissent (again!) on Mahomes. I say it goes to Rivers, or, if you have to have the team be a winner, Brees. You're seeing the real Mahomes now. Close but no cigar when the chips are on the line.
I have no idea what any of this means, at all, but I completely disagree with it.
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My gut tells me that Brees will win the MVP.
Of course, it also tells me that extra jalapenos are a good idea (spoiler alert: it's not a good idea), so take that for what it's worth.
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Kev, just wanted to say that these are great weekly recaps that you do. Very informed and informative. I'm not football dumb (kind of), but I appreciate these insightful lists.
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I'm registering my dissent (again!) on Mahomes. I say it goes to Rivers, or, if you have to have the team be a winner, Brees. You're seeing the real Mahomes now. Close but no cigar when the chips are on the line.
Yeah, as great as he has been, he can't be that good if he can't overcome his own defense which has allowed an average of 41 points per game in their four losses, right? :P :lol
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Kev, just wanted to say that these are great weekly recaps that you do. Very informed and informative. I'm not football dumb (kind of), but I appreciate these insightful lists.
:tup :tup
I'm registering my dissent (again!) on Mahomes. I say it goes to Rivers, or, if you have to have the team be a winner, Brees. You're seeing the real Mahomes now. Close but no cigar when the chips are on the line.
Yeah, as great as he has been, he can't be that good if he can't overcome his own defense which has allowed an average of 41 points per game in their four losses, right? :P :lol
Well, his defense has sucked even in the wins. I'm speaking more of the several times in recent games where he had a choice to be a good quarterback or "Patrick MahomesTM" and he chose the latter. He opted to make the bad throw off the wrong foot using his off-hand, or whatever. GREAT QBs do that kind of thing as a last resort; in the games I've watched, it seems as if he's doing that as his go-to, and that's not a sustainable strategy.
I've been predicting the Chiefs fade since about week three, and they're right on schedule. I'm even calling a loss this weekend against the Oakland Raiders.
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Did you also predict the Kareem Hunt situation?
Because let's face it, their lackluster play in the last month totally correlates to the release of the Hunt video and his subsequent release. Sure, they are getting good production out of their replacement RBs, but the impact something like that does on a team psychologically cannot be underestimated. In their four games since Hunt's release:
-they eked out a road win over the hapless Raiders
-eked out a miracle home win over the Ravens (largely thanks to an incredible 4th and 9 play by PATRICK MAHOMES)
-lost at home to the Chargers
-lost on the road to the Seahawks
Even with the defense stinking all season, the team has not looked the same since losing Hunt. I know it's fun to blame Andy Reid and act like this is a typical late season Andy Reid fade (which is a false narrative anyway), but you have to be fair and look at all of the facts.
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As if the Jets aren't overmatched enough today, evidently any laying of hands on Tom Brady is cause for a personal foul ::)
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As if the Jets aren't overmatched enough today, evidently any laying of hands on Tom Brady is cause for a personal foul ::)
Only when the ball is long gone with two or more steps to go.. ;D
Actually, Chung basically did the same thing on the 4th down TD attempt. Darnold has to learn sell that like the old man.. :lol
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It really is depressing that the only thing I have to root for today is the Broncos' draft position :rollin
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As if the Jets aren't overmatched enough today, evidently any laying of hands on Tom Brady is cause for a personal foul ::)
You make me happy Bill.
And my beers today.
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I didn't see much of that game, but the Jets looked like they wanted to be anywhere but on a football field.
Will be curious to see if the Bears try to actually win this game against the Vikings. I suspect they will have a vanilla game plan since they don't want to show too much to a team they might have to play again next week in the wild card round.
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Bears already scored. Looks like they are going for it early.
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Predictions now for the time of next week's games:
Houston home game will be the late Saturday afternoon game (always the game seen as the least desirable to watch)
Dallas was get the Saturday night game
Bears will get the early Sunday game
Other AFC game will be the late Sunday game (Chargers or Chiefs at Ravens or Steelers)
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The officials just did an awesome job of getting the Vikings back in this game. Nice job as always, NFL.
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The officials just did an awesome job of getting the Vikings back in this game. Nice job as always, NFL.
Yeah, Troy wasn't a fan, either. :lol
Looks like Phili punched their ticket to the playoffs but lost Foles doing it.
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If he can't play next week, that is awful for NFL fans. I would have rather seen Minnesota make it than see Philly make it with their 3rd string QB starting.
Mayfield about to drive down the field and knock the Ravens out and make Steelers fans happy.
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Philadelphia sneaks back in!
From let's go Bears to LETS GO BEAT THE BEARS
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What a catch by Landry.
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Damn. I thought Cleveland was going to win.
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Epic finish in Baltimore......have a feeling that Baker is just getting started. Browns are gonna be a problem next year.
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What a finish.
Barkley will probably win the Rookie of the Year award, but Mayfield should win it.
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Predictions now for the time of next week's games:
Houston home game will be the late Saturday afternoon game (always the game seen as the least desirable to watch)
Dallas was get the Saturday night game
Bears will get the early Sunday game
Other AFC game will be the late Sunday game (Chargers or Chiefs at Ravens or Steelers)
I completely agree.
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Which means the winner of tonight's game will have to play the early Saturday game after having played the Sunday night game. Dumb.
Of course they could still tie tonight, which would get Pittsburgh in the playoffs...
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And I still hate how they seed teams in the playoffs. It's ridiculous that you can end up with the 2nd best record in your conference and be the 5 seed just because the team ahead of you just happen to play in the same division. The top 2 division winners should get byes and then the other 4 teams should be seeded based on record.
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That loud sound you heard emanating from Maryland was one humungous exhale of relief......
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That loud sound you heard emanating from Maryland was one humungous exhale of relief......
I'll be able to function tomorrow thank you C.J. Mosley.
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And I still hate how they seed teams in the playoffs. It's ridiculous that you can end up with the 2nd best record in your conference and be the 5 seed just because the team ahead of you just happen to play in the same division. The top 2 division winners should get byes and then the other 4 teams should be seeded based on record.
Even if my team was screwed by the current system, I still think it's the best system there is. I HATE the way Basketball and hockey do it. I think division winners should get a home game. If only for the fans.
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Even if my team was screwed by the current system, I still think it's the best system there is. I HATE the way Basketball and hockey do it. I think division winners should get a home game. If only for the fans.
Eh, winning your division gets you a playoff spot; that is your reward. If you aren't good enough to finish with one of the top four records in your conference, you should not get a first round home game. A 12-4 team going on the road in the first round is a joke, just like teams that have won their divisions with records of 8-8 getting a home game was.
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Eh, if they're that good, the 12-4 team should be able to win at the 8-8 team.
I mean, you need a playoff format. Whatever sport, someone is going to feel screwed. Honestly, I don't have an issue with any of the 4 sports' playoff formats.
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Eh, if they're that good, the 12-4 team should be able to win at the 8-8 team.
I mean, you need a playoff format. Whatever sport, someone is going to feel screwed. Honestly, I don't have an issue with any of the 4 sports' playoff formats.
It's not that simple. Home field means a lot in the NFL playoffs. Not like the Chargers have much of a home field advantage, but having to play on the road to start the playoffs is just unfair.
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Even if my team was screwed by the current system, I still think it's the best system there is. I HATE the way Basketball and hockey do it. I think division winners should get a home game. If only for the fans.
Eh, winning your division gets you a playoff spot; that is your reward. If you aren't good enough to finish with one of the top four records in your conference, you should not get a first round home game. A 12-4 team going on the road in the first round is a joke, just like teams that have won their divisions with records of 8-8 getting a home game was.
Then why did you give the top two division winners the byes? Why not give the top two records the byes? Because winning your division deserves a bonus over earning a wildcard spot.
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Then why did you give the top two division winners the byes? Why not give the top two records the byes? Because winning your division deserves a bonus over earning a wildcard spot.
It's the best of both words. You don't get a bye if you don't win your division, but if you finish with one of the top 4 records, you at least get a home game in the first round.
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Then why did you give the top two division winners the byes? Why not give the top two records the byes? Because winning your division deserves a bonus over earning a wildcard spot.
It's the best of both words. You don't get a bye if you don't win your division, but if you finish with one of the top 4 records, you at least get a home game in the first round.
That's a pretty good answer. You make a good argument, but I'm still not sold. The same unfairness applies in your scheme. A division winner shouldn't have to play on the road against a division loser.
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Then why did you give the top two division winners the byes? Why not give the top two records the byes? Because winning your division deserves a bonus over earning a wildcard spot.
It's the best of both words. You don't get a bye if you don't win your division, but if you finish with one of the top 4 records, you at least get a home game in the first round.
That's a pretty good answer. You make a good argument, but I'm still not sold. The same unfairness applies in your scheme. A division winner shouldn't have to play on the road against a division loser.
And I get why you and others think that way. There is no right or wrong answer here. :)
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Andrew Luck is a dude from the mid-19th century whose time machine broke during a trip to the future and he's just making the best of a bad situation. Change my mind.
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Then why did you give the top two division winners the byes? Why not give the top two records the byes? Because winning your division deserves a bonus over earning a wildcard spot.
It's the best of both words. You don't get a bye if you don't win your division, but if you finish with one of the top 4 records, you at least get a home game in the first round.
That's a pretty good answer. You make a good argument, but I'm still not sold. The same unfairness applies in your scheme. A division winner shouldn't have to play on the road against a division loser.
And I get why you and others think that way. There is no right or wrong answer here. :)
My issue isn’t with the way teams are seeded but with the number of teams who make it in. I’m of the opinion that nobody should get a week off in the playoffs. It goes against the league’s goal of achieving parity, as whoever comes out of wild card weekend alive goes into the divisional round with a huge disadvantage. Expand the playoffs to eight teams per conference so that good teams who play in a good division don’t get screwed out of a playoff spot just because someone had to come in first place in a bad division. I like to use the 2010 season as an example. The Giants and Buccaneers both went 10-6 but missed the playoffs due to tiebreakers, meanwhile the Seahawks got to host a home game at 7-9. It would also make the playoffs so much more exciting, as you would have the possibility of a huge first round upset instead of a beat up team going to play a well rested team. Yes the lower seeded teams do sometimes win in the divisional round, but it’s very rare that more than one or two divisional round upsets happen. In fact, since the modern idea of a first round bye was implemented, 16 of the 28 completed seasons (around 58%) have ended with two teams who had a first round bye week playing each other in the Super Bowl, and there has never been a Super Bowl played without at least one team in the game having had a first round bye since it was implemented in 1990.
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My issue isn’t with the way teams are seeded but with the number of teams who make it in. I’m of the opinion that nobody should get a week off in the playoffs. It goes against the league’s goal of achieving parity, as whoever comes out of wild card weekend alive goes into the divisional round with a huge disadvantage. Expand the playoffs to eight teams per conference so that good teams who play in a good division don’t get screwed out of a playoff spot just because someone had to come in first place in a bad division. I like to use the 2010 season as an example. The Giants and Buccaneers both went 10-6 but missed the playoffs due to tiebreakers, meanwhile the Seahawks got to host a home game at 7-9. It would also make the playoffs so much more exciting, as you would have the possibility of a huge first round upset instead of a beat up team going to play a well rested team. Yes the lower seeded teams do sometimes win in the divisional round, but it’s very rare that more than one or two divisional round upsets happen. In fact, since the modern idea of a first round bye was implemented, 16 of the 28 completed seasons (around 58%) have ended with two teams who had a first round bye week playing each other in the Super Bowl, and there has never been a Super Bowl played without at least one team in the game having had a first round bye since it was implemented in 1990.
I wouldn't like the idea of letting 8 teams in the playoffs. Keep it at 6 per conference so it doesn't become like the NHL or NBA where half the league makes it and you end up with a 8-8 or 7-9 wild card team (which would be the case this year in the NFC). The regular season needs to matter.
I have no problem with the 1 seed getting rest and playing a team that isn't well rested. That is the advantage you get from being the best team in the conference over the course of the season. Doing it your way would make it too much like March Madness where any team can win it and we'd end up with a 9-7 team playing an 8-8 team in the Super Bowl. While upsets are fun, you want the best teams to have the best shot to make it to the end.
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I always thought that the solution would be to have 2 eight team divisions in each conference. The two division champs get byes, then the next 4 best teams get the wild card spots. But generating a schedule for that would be a nightmare.
Coaches losing their jobs this Black Monday (and yesterday). Lots of vacancies to choose from. Want the AZ job? It's open, even though Wilks only had one season to try to get something done.
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It's tough to only get 1 season, but the Cardinals were not only awful, they weren't even competitive in 7 of their losses. This isn't college football. You cannot blown out on a regular basis like that and expect to keep your job.
And say adios to Vance Joseph!! Hallelujah!!
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Congrats. Vance seems like a nice guy..... but he ain't what ya need.
So Gase is out @Miami.
to recap, the current Vacancies are:
Arizona
Cleveland
Denver
Green Bay
Miami
New York (Jets)
Tampa Bay
Crazy times when Cleveland looks to be the best job. Wonder if old Greg Williams did enough to get the "interim" tag removed. NY with Darnold & AZ with Rosen & the #1 pick look to be intriguing. Of course, who gets to be Aaron Rodgers new coach will be interesting.
And yet somehow..... no opening in Cincinnati.
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Well damn.. add Cincinnati to that list. I think Mike Brown has FINALLY seen enough!
Lewis says he still remains interested in coaching. So I guess he along with Caldwell will be the Rooney rule interviewees....
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Hell has frozen over! Marvin Lewis is gone. However, that makes 4 black head coaches fired, which means the media is going to go nuts this week about it. Ugh.
I know Bruce Arians has talked about wanting to get back in the game, and he can probably call his spot.
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My issue isn’t with the way teams are seeded but with the number of teams who make it in. I’m of the opinion that nobody should get a week off in the playoffs. It goes against the league’s goal of achieving parity, as whoever comes out of wild card weekend alive goes into the divisional round with a huge disadvantage. Expand the playoffs to eight teams per conference so that good teams who play in a good division don’t get screwed out of a playoff spot just because someone had to come in first place in a bad division. I like to use the 2010 season as an example. The Giants and Buccaneers both went 10-6 but missed the playoffs due to tiebreakers, meanwhile the Seahawks got to host a home game at 7-9. It would also make the playoffs so much more exciting, as you would have the possibility of a huge first round upset instead of a beat up team going to play a well rested team. Yes the lower seeded teams do sometimes win in the divisional round, but it’s very rare that more than one or two divisional round upsets happen. In fact, since the modern idea of a first round bye was implemented, 16 of the 28 completed seasons (around 58%) have ended with two teams who had a first round bye week playing each other in the Super Bowl, and there has never been a Super Bowl played without at least one team in the game having had a first round bye since it was implemented in 1990.
I wouldn't like the idea of letting 8 teams in the playoffs. Keep it at 6 per conference so it doesn't become like the NHL or NBA where half the league makes it and you end up with a 8-8 or 7-9 wild card team (which would be the case this year in the NFC). The regular season needs to matter.
The NHL playoffs are the most exciting of the four leagues though. And the regular season games don’t matter as much because there’s 82 of them. It has nothing to do with the number of teams that make the playoffs. With 16 games on the schedule, every game would still matter in the NFL even with an expanded playoff field.
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Early thoughts on our 4 matchups?
Indy @ Houston - Like both the teams..... hoping for a fun shootout.
Seattle @ Dallas - Hoping for a Seattle win, but I think Dallas squeaks out a win.
L.A. Chargers @ Baltimore - No reason to think Baltimore doesn't win again 2 weeks after winning in LA.
Philly @ Chicago - Think that Philly's luck runs out. Should be a low scoring, defensive struggle.
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Oh yeah... this article didn't age well. Only one of these guys still has his job (and a SB trophy!)....
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/14577884/ranking-new-nfl-head-coaching-hires-hue-jackson-cleveland-browns-first
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I like both road teams in the AFC and both home teams in the NFC.
Seattle isn't nearly as good on the road as they are at home.
Philly isn't going on a magic run this year.
Yes, Baltimore won at LA last week, but the Chargers are the better team and I think will have better game plan this time.
Houston feasted on a ton of shitty QB's this season and their D got lit up nearly every time they faced a good one. Plus, I do not trust Bill O'Brien. Colts have won 9 of their last 10 and will keep it going.
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Change my mind.
No. You can't make me.
I like both road teams in the AFC and both home teams in the NFC.
Seattle isn't nearly as good on the road as they are at home.
Philly isn't going on a magic run this year.
Yes, Baltimore won at LA last week, but the Chargers are the better team and I think will have better game plan this time.
Houston feasted on a ton of shitty QB's this season and their D got lit up nearly every time they faced a good one. Plus, I do not trust Bill O'Brien. Colts have won 9 of their last 10 and will keep it going.
Good Lord! I...I agree with EVERYTHING Kev just posted...in a post in the NFL thread. :marriageanalogy:
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I will always be a huge Seahawk fan. But having said that, I'm not above picking against them if I honestly feel their chances are slim. In fact, I'm pretty sure that in the 7-9 season cited earlier, I picked the Saints to beat us. But I was happily wrong about that one.
Now. Having said THAT. I think the Seahawks actually have a very good chance of beating Dallas on the road. We're coming in healthy, and the 2nd half of our season was much stronger than our first. I think the Seahawks trail early, come back late, and win by a FG.
For the others, I'm going:
Bears over the Eagles
Chargers over the Ravens
Texans over the Colts
So basically, both 5 seeds win, and both 6 seeds lose.
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Early thoughts on our 4 matchups?
Indy @ Houston - Like both the teams..... hoping for a fun shootout.
Seattle @ Dallas - Hoping for a Seattle win, but I think Dallas squeaks out a win.
L.A. Chargers @ Baltimore - No reason to think Baltimore doesn't win again 2 weeks after winning in LA.
Philly @ Chicago - Think that Philly's luck runs out. Should be a low scoring, defensive struggle.
I'm taking the Colts over Houston.
Seattle over Dallas.
Chargers over Baltimore.
Philly over Chicago.
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Good Lord! I...I agree with EVERYTHING Kev just posted...in a post in the NFL thread. :marriageanalogy:
:eek :eek :eek
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Andrew Luck is a dude from the mid-19th century whose time machine broke during a trip to the future and he's just making the best of a bad situation. Change my mind.
It's Captain Cave Man! He's hilarious when you hear him yelling "READY" on the field before the ball snap! I laugh every freaking time, it just never gets old.. :lol :lol
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Is there anybody who still thinks Brees deserves the MVP over Mahomes? There can’t possibly be. I mean, who had to carry a shitty defense all year on top of his eye-popping stats?
Steelers post-mortem: It ain’t rocket science Cowherd (and others like him). They got ref-jobbed in 2 games and their kicker/defense choked a couple games away including several 4th quarter leads (or guys like JuJu fumbled the game away). You can’t make up for 4 lost games like that. Not to mention they were 7-1 in close games last year which is ripe for regression to the mean. Now of course bad officiating adversely affects a random number of teams each year so you can’t use that as an excuse, but it’s almost amusing that even in the Cle-Bal game yesterday the refs screwed the Browns out of a TD that would have sent the Steelers to the playoffs. Sometimes it’s just not your year (and I didn’t even mention trying to overcome Tomlin’s horrendous in-game coaching).
Order of who I’d like to see win the SB:
1. KC
2. LAR
3. IND
4. HOU
5. NO
6. PHI
7. CHI
8. SEA
9. LAC
10. BAL
11. DAL
12. LOL
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Meanwhile, Antonio Brown has surpassed Odell Beckham when it comes to be a diva:
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2018/12/31/antonio-brown-dispute-steelers-news-nfl/stories/201812310108
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Order of who I would like to see win the Super Bowl.
01: Chargers
02: Saints
03: Rams
04: Bears
05: Texans
06: Colts
07: Ravens
08: Chiefs
09: Cowboys
10: Seahawks
11: Eagles
12: Lose both of my legs in a car accident
13: Watch all of my cats die in a fire
14: Every nuclear weapon goes off at the same time
15. Patriots
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^I pretty much agree with that. Except that you spelled "15. Seahawks" wrong.
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^I pretty much agree with that. Except that you spelled "15. Seahawks" wrong.
Makes sense. I wouldn’t expect a 49ers fan to ever root for the Seahawks just like a Jets fan like me would never root for the Pats. If it’s any consolation, the only reason the Eagles rank lower is because they won last year.
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My order...
1. PHI
2. K.C.
3. CHI
4. LAR
5. IND
6. SEA
7. HOU
8. N.O.
9. LAC
10. BAL
11. NE
12. DAL
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^I pretty much agree with that. Except that you spelled "15. Seahawks" wrong.
Makes sense. I wouldn’t expect a 49ers fan to ever root for the Seahawks just like a Jets fan like me would never root for the Pats. If it’s any consolation, the only reason the Eagles rank lower is because they won last year.
There aren't really any teams left that I actively like and root for. I would root for the Saints just because I like Brees and a few other individual players. So I guess my rankings would look something like:
Teams I actively want to win:
1. NO
Teams I wouldn't mind winning:
2. Ind.
3. NE
4. SD
5. Hou
6. Chi
NFC East Times (aka, teams I would never root for, but could potentially want to see win if they are playing someone I am rooting against)
7. Phi
8. Dal.
Teams I do not want to see win, and I probably won't bother to watch if the SB is comprised only of teams from this category:
9. Bal.
10. KC
11. LAR
12. Sea
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My "pipe dream" matchups would be
Philly vs Seattle for the NFC Championship
LA vs KC for the AFC Championship.
Seattle beats KC in the Super Bowl.
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My "pipe dream" matchups would be
Philly vs Seattle for the NFC Championship
LA vs KC for the AFC Championship.
Seattle beats KC in the Super Bowl.
Good call!
The Seattle/Dallas game will be bitter/sweet for me no matter the turnout, as I'm pulling for both teams. It will be a good game because both teams have the best running game in the NFL and are equally as hungry. Who ever wins this game will be the one I want to win the Super Bowl!
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For me in the SB I want
Seattle v. anybody but NE
Rams v. anybody but NE, LAC would be fun
I'm hoping Seattle comes to L.A. so I can go see it live.
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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25657298/antonio-brown-upset-steelers-skipped-practices-final-game
Boy that AB sure is a wonderful team player isn't he? What an utter douche.
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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25657298/antonio-brown-upset-steelers-skipped-practices-final-game
Boy that AB sure is a wonderful team player isn't he? What an utter douche.
Ultimate me player. Trade his ass right away.
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I don't know Joe, I feel like they could probably get more for his hands :neverusethis:
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My "pipe dream" matchups would be
Philly vs Seattle for the NFC Championship
LA vs KC for the AFC Championship.
Seattle beats KC in the Super Bowl.
If we have that. I consider that an easy win.
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I don't think AB has any trade value. He's 31, the second highest paid receiver in the league, and a legendary locker-room cancer. A Dez Bryant scenario seems more likely, assuming the Steerlers have the cojones to do it. I'm not sure they do.
Dallas is a much better team than they were in week 3. It oughtta be a pretty good game. Dallas is improved on both sides of the ball, and the Seahwaks can't stop Zeek. At the same time Seattle has a great coach, a +13 TO margin, and no Earl Thomas, who nearly single-handedly beat Dallas last time around. I don't know yet, but I might wind up going with Carroll over Garrett.
Amazed the Bengals finally got rid of Marv. I mean, what's changed? After sixteen years enough is enough doesn't really carry much weight anymore.
And since it's that time of year I'll reiterate my long-held belief that teams shouldn't be allowed to court coaches until after the SB.
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And since it's that time of year I'll reiterate my long-held belief that teams shouldn't be allowed to court coaches until after the SB.
Or at least teams shouldn’t be allowed to talk to any staff who are employed by a team that’s still in the playoffs.
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^I pretty much agree with that. Except that you spelled "15. Seahawks" wrong.
You're right; it's "E-A-G-L-E-S". Or, the way the kids talk these days, "C-H-I-E-F-S".
1. NE
2. NO
3. CHI
4. IND
5. BAL
6. HOU
7. LAR
8. SEA
9. DAL
10. LAC
11. PHL
12. KC
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Is that a heart or brain ranking?
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Is that a heart or brain ranking?
Me? Totally heart. Though don't assume by that that KC leaps to the top; I've been vocal about my belief that they are the single most overrated team in football right now.
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People say that but they also said Mahomes was gonna come back down to Earth and dude just had a top 10 all time QB season in his second year just like Marino (and his 5097 yards is equal to Dan's 5084 he posted in 1984 plus 13, his jersey number, if you're into coincidences.) They've got legit warts considering the porous D they're dragging around but shit is that offense stout. They're the only team in the playoffs that legitimately worries me, a Saints fan, in a Super Bowl meeting.
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I don't think AB has any trade value. He's 31, the second highest paid receiver in the league, and a legendary locker-room cancer. A Dez Bryant scenario seems more likely, assuming the Steerlers have the cojones to do it. I'm not sure they do.
They'll carry almost 22 million in dead money against their salary cap if they cut him, so that's definitely not happening. I wouldn't completely rule out a trade if some sucker/team offers them enough, and considering some of the stupid trades that I've seen over the years it wouldn't surprise me if someone pulled the trigger.
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People say that but they also said Mahomes was gonna come back down to Earth and dude just had a top 10 all time QB season in his second year just like Marino (and his 5097 yards is equal to Dan's 5084 he posted in 1984 plus 13, his jersey number, if you're into coincidences.) They've got legit warts considering the porous D they're dragging around but shit is that offense stout. They're the only team in the playoffs that legitimately worries me, a Saints fan, in a Super Bowl meeting.
Of the ten or twelve QBs that have passed for 5,000 yards, only three made it to the Super Bowl in that season (Marino, Brady, Manning) and let's just say, I'm tied for the same number of Super Bowl wins by QBs who have thrown for 5,000 in that season.
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I don't think AB has any trade value. He's 31, the second highest paid receiver in the league, and a legendary locker-room cancer. A Dez Bryant scenario seems more likely, assuming the Steerlers have the cojones to do it. I'm not sure they do.
They'll carry almost 22 million in dead money against their salary cap if they cut him, so that's definitely not happening. I wouldn't completely rule out a trade if some sucker/team offers them enough, and considering some of the stupid trades that I've seen over the years it wouldn't surprise me if someone pulled the trigger.
Not arguing with you, just asking: if he's in the locker-room and not on the field, does the $22M hit really matter? There's a point where it's worth $22M to have the other 54 guys hungry, focused and ready to play football hard on Sunday.
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I don't think AB has any trade value. He's 31, the second highest paid receiver in the league, and a legendary locker-room cancer. A Dez Bryant scenario seems more likely, assuming the Steerlers have the cojones to do it. I'm not sure they do.
They'll carry almost 22 million in dead money against their salary cap if they cut him, so that's definitely not happening. I wouldn't completely rule out a trade if some sucker/team offers them enough, and considering some of the stupid trades that I've seen over the years it wouldn't surprise me if someone pulled the trigger.
Not arguing with you, just asking: if he's in the locker-room and not on the field, does the $22M hit really matter? There's a point where it's worth $22M to have the other 54 guys hungry, focused and ready to play football hard on Sunday.
I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you saying they keep him and don't play him? Or are you saying to go ahead and cut him?
There's a couple of ways that I see this playing out:
1) He "calms down" over the off season and makes amends until the first time Ben doesn't throw the ball to him 50 times in a close loss at some point next season. Then he throws another fit on the sideline.
2) Some idiot like Jon Gruden with a ton of draft picks throws a reasonable offer in the Steeler's direction before April.
He's seen Bell get away with holding the team hostage the last couple of years and thinks that he can shit in their face. Of course, the entire organization deserves to eat that shit pie after the way that they've failed at handling their business the last couple of years, if not longer. I'm usually a fan of their front office because they've done things the right way for so many years, but this is a lesson that needs to be learned by the coaching staff on to the top of the organization.
I don't expect Mike Tomlin to grow any balls, and that's a reflection of a lack of will by those above him. As you can see, I'm done defending them.
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I don't think AB has any trade value. He's 31, the second highest paid receiver in the league, and a legendary locker-room cancer. A Dez Bryant scenario seems more likely, assuming the Steerlers have the cojones to do it. I'm not sure they do.
They'll carry almost 22 million in dead money against their salary cap if they cut him, so that's definitely not happening. I wouldn't completely rule out a trade if some sucker/team offers them enough, and considering some of the stupid trades that I've seen over the years it wouldn't surprise me if someone pulled the trigger.
Not arguing with you, just asking: if he's in the locker-room and not on the field, does the $22M hit really matter? There's a point where it's worth $22M to have the other 54 guys hungry, focused and ready to play football hard on Sunday.
I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you saying they keep him and don't play him? Or are you saying to go ahead and cut him?
There's a couple of ways that I see this playing out:
1) He "calms down" over the off season and makes amends until the first time Ben doesn't throw the ball to him 50 times in a close loss at some point next season. Then he throws another fit on the sideline.
2) Some idiot like Jon Gruden with a ton of draft picks throws a reasonable offer in the Steeler's direction before April.
He's seen Bell get away with holding the team hostage the last couple of years and thinks that he can shit in their face. Of course, the entire organization deserves to eat that shit pie after the way that they've failed at handling their business the last couple of years, if not longer. I'm usually a fan of their front office because they've done things the right way for so many years, but this is a lesson that needs to be learned by the coaching staff on to the top of the organization.
I don't expect Mike Tomlin to grow any balls, and that's a reflection of a lack of will by those above him. As you can see, I'm done defending them.
Yeah, the Steelers won't cut him and eat the money, they also won't keep him on the roster and not play him. Just doesn't make sense, it's also not the "Steeler way" (which matters, mind you).
If they could find a sucker team to trade AB to, I'd be down with that, I don't even care what the return is honestly. If a team is dumb enough to take that over-paid contract to a past-prime WR, locker room cancer, and a disappearing act when a HOF QB isn't throwing to him - make that trade.
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A. Brown still had a great season and there is bound to be some team that sees him as a player that can put them over the top, as a short term solution. And honestly, he has far surpassed OBJ territory and is now swimming in the same diva pool that T.O. used to. Yes, he is great, but it is worth to put up with all of the drama and horse hockey?
And it has to be said: Ben Roethlisberger is easily the worst leader I have seen in the NFL when talking about quarterbacks in or destined to make the Hall of Fame.
Between Ben and Tomlin, the Steelers' leadership is staggeringly poor.
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A. Brown still had a great season and there is bound to be some team that sees him as a player that can put them over the top, as a short term solution. And honestly, he has far surpassed OBJ territory and is now swimming in the same diva pool that T.O. used to. Yes, he is great, but it is worth to put up with all of the drama and horse hockey?
Agreed!
And it has to be said: Ben Roethlisberger is easily the worst leader I have seen in the NFL when talking about quarterbacks in or destined to make the Hall of Fame.
Between Ben and Tomlin, the Steelers' leadership is staggeringly poor.
Huh? What does Ben have to do with the conversation? Also, he's actually been a really good leader on the team over the bulk of his career since he straightened his life out.
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And it has to be said: Ben Roethlisberger is easily the worst leader I have seen in the NFL when talking about quarterbacks in or destined to make the Hall of Fame.
Between Ben and Tomlin, the Steelers' leadership is staggeringly poor.
Agreed. To go on a brief tangent, that was one of the things that soured me on the Harbaugh/Kaepernick era in SF. Harbaugh being a cowboy worked the first season with Alex Smith and part of that second season with Kaep. But once Harbaugh's relationship with the front office began to go south, it became toxic. And once-humble Kaepernick began to emulate a lot of how Harbaugh interacted with the public and others and started coming across the same way, and that lost him a LOT of respect among the public, players, and coaches. And, yeah, it comes down to what you expect from your leaders. Some players can get away with that. But rightly or wrongly, we expect our team's QB to be one of the main faces and voices of the team, and expect him to not only be a great player, but to be a great leader as well.
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Huh? What does Ben have to do with the conversation? Also, he's actually been a really good leader on the team over the bulk of his career since he straightened his life out.
Constantly calling out teammates to the media is being a great leader? I have seen numerous ex-NFL players in the last few days say how that is very poor form to do that. Plenty of blame to go around, and I think it goes without saying that both Tomlin and Ben enabled A. Brown's childish behavior for years. And what we are seeing now is the result.
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Huh? What does Ben have to do with the conversation? Also, he's actually been a really good leader on the team over the bulk of his career since he straightened his life out.
Constantly calling out teammates to the media is being a great leader? I have seen numerous ex-NFL players in the last few days say how that is very poor form to do that. Plenty of blame to go around, and I think it goes without saying that both Tomlin and Ben enabled A. Brown's childish behavior for years. And what we are seeing now is the result.
Dude, no. Putting AB's behavior on Ben is silly. Ben has called out teammates a couple times. When he does, the national media is all over it. Ben, the vast majority of the time, takes the blame when the team under performs. It's just not a story nationally when that happens. It gets reported here locally though. Also, sometimes that's what gets guys motivated, calling someone out doesn't make Ben a bad leader, maybe that's the best way to motivate a certain player. Wouldn't that make him a good leader?
The coach has been an enabler, that's a point we can agree on.
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Anyway, as far as this weekend goes, here are my picks:
Ind @ Hou
Sea @ Dal
LAC @ Bal
Phi @ Chi
What I think will likely happy is pretty much in line with what I want to happen. I guess those picks shouldn't at all be surprising, since I am taking the team with the best record in three of those (Dallas and Seattle are both 10-6, but as the division winner, Dallas has the "better" record by virtue of winning its division). The only anomaly in taking Indy is easily explainable just by looking at how hot they have been in winning 9 of their last 10. They are just a team on a roll right now, and I think that momentum alone gets them past the Texans. I'm not sure how much farther it gets them. But I think it easily carries them this week. I could also see it potentially getting them much farther. No team looks bullet proof this year. A win puts them against KC next week, and I think that is a winnable game for Indy. Put them in the AFC championship, and I don't hate their odds against any of the remaining teams. The NFC might be a different story because of some better defenses. But we'll see.
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I don't think AB has any trade value. He's 31, the second highest paid receiver in the league, and a legendary locker-room cancer. A Dez Bryant scenario seems more likely, assuming the Steerlers have the cojones to do it. I'm not sure they do.
They'll carry almost 22 million in dead money against their salary cap if they cut him, so that's definitely not happening. I wouldn't completely rule out a trade if some sucker/team offers them enough, and considering some of the stupid trades that I've seen over the years it wouldn't surprise me if someone pulled the trigger.
They eat that 21.2 million whether they dump him or trade him. Or, they pay him 22 million to continue being a butthead. I'd certainly shop him around. If I'm out 22 million no matter what I do, I'd rather have one of Gruden's #1s than a malcontent receiver. Failing that, I'd rather have nothing than a malcontent receiver.
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(Dallas and Seattle are both 10-6, but as the division winner, Dallas has the "better" record by virtue of winning its division).
I don't get this logic. Their records are the same. And if anything, Seattle's is more impressive since they had to contend with the Rams in their division.
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(Dallas and Seattle are both 10-6, but as the division winner, Dallas has the "better" record by virtue of winning its division).
I don't get this logic. Their records are the same. And if anything, Seattle's is more impressive since they had to contend with the Rams in their division.
It's the NFL's tiebreaker logic, so take it up with them. Winning the division grants a higher seeding than getting a wildcard position, regardless of record. It isn't about "more impressive." I'm not sure what there is to not "get" about that.
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I don't think AB has any trade value. He's 31, the second highest paid receiver in the league, and a legendary locker-room cancer. A Dez Bryant scenario seems more likely, assuming the Steerlers have the cojones to do it. I'm not sure they do.
They'll carry almost 22 million in dead money against their salary cap if they cut him, so that's definitely not happening. I wouldn't completely rule out a trade if some sucker/team offers them enough, and considering some of the stupid trades that I've seen over the years it wouldn't surprise me if someone pulled the trigger.
They eat that 21.2 million whether they dump him or trade him. Or, they pay him 22 million to continue being a butthead. I'd certainly shop him around. If I'm out 22 million no matter what I do, I'd rather have one of Gruden's #1s than a malcontent receiver. Failing that, I'd rather have nothing than a malcontent receiver.
They do probably have some room under the cap since they won't be paying Bell. I didn't realize that they'd be stuck with the cap hit if someone else picked him up?
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(Dallas and Seattle are both 10-6, but as the division winner, Dallas has the "better" record by virtue of winning its division).
I don't get this logic. Their records are the same. And if anything, Seattle's is more impressive since they had to contend with the Rams in their division.
It's the NFL's tiebreaker logic, so take it up with them. Winning the division grants a higher seeding than getting a wildcard position, regardless of record. It isn't about "more impressive." I'm not sure what there is to not "get" about that.
By that logic an 8-8 division winner has a better record than a 12-4 wild card. Better seed? Certainly, but the seed is a circumstance to winning a division, not by having a certain record.
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I don't think AB has any trade value. He's 31, the second highest paid receiver in the league, and a legendary locker-room cancer. A Dez Bryant scenario seems more likely, assuming the Steerlers have the cojones to do it. I'm not sure they do.
They'll carry almost 22 million in dead money against their salary cap if they cut him, so that's definitely not happening. I wouldn't completely rule out a trade if some sucker/team offers them enough, and considering some of the stupid trades that I've seen over the years it wouldn't surprise me if someone pulled the trigger.
They eat that 21.2 million whether they dump him or trade him. Or, they pay him 22 million to continue being a butthead. I'd certainly shop him around. If I'm out 22 million no matter what I do, I'd rather have one of Gruden's #1s than a malcontent receiver. Failing that, I'd rather have nothing than a malcontent receiver.
They do probably have some room under the cap since they won't be paying Bell. I didn't realize that they'd be stuck with the cap hit if someone else picked him up?
Bonuses are generally on the team that offered them. He signed a contract extension, and then renegotiated that, and both would have involved significant bonuses. That's all on Pittsburgh. It actually does make him more attractive to a suitor, though. He's hooked up for 2, maybe 3 years at ~12 per. If somebody thinks they can keep his head screwed on straight for that long it might not be such a bad idea. That's one helluva if, though.
Also, it seems the Steelers falsified their injury report by putting AB on it when he was actually sat for disciplinary reasons. Nothing will come of it, though. Rooneys don't get punished.
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In the wake of this latest drama, I was just reflecting on trying to be a fan of this team in this era. It was known as a tough, hard-nosed, disciplined, championship pedigree team in the Noll/Cowher years. Then they selected verbal-diarrhea master Tomlin and he went to 2 Super Bowls with Cowher’s players, winning one, and since then has transformed the team into a sloppy, unfocused, undisciplined group, with a few notable exceptions.
Tomlin, laughably, was supposed to be a defensive expert. Under his expert guidance, his defenses can now claim to have undermined the most 300-yd, 3-TD, 0-int games by a QB that resulted in a loss. That’s right, that honor does not belong to Marino, Stafford, Brees, Ryan etc who would be the usual suspects. The other ridiculous stat that was brought out after JuJu fumbled the Saints game away is that Ben has had 11 game-winning drive attempts fumbled away, compared to only 4 each for Brady and Rodgers. One of those of course was notably in SB 45 by Mendenhall. Coaching malpractice from day 1.
So if Tomlin is somehow still around after Ben retires, I’m outta there. KC looks like a fun team to be a fan of :justjen
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In the wake of this latest drama, I was just reflecting on trying to be a fan of this team in this era. It was known as a tough, hard-nosed, disciplined, championship pedigree team in the Noll/Cowher years. Then they selected verbal-diarrhea master Tomlin and he went to 2 Super Bowls with Cowher’s players, winning one, and since then has transformed the team into a sloppy, unfocused, undisciplined group, with a few notable exceptions.
Tomlin, laughably, was supposed to be a defensive expert. Under his expert guidance, his defenses can now claim to have undermined the most 300-yd, 3-TD, 0-int games by a QB that resulted in a loss. That’s right, that honor does not belong to Marino, Stafford, Brees, Ryan etc who would be the usual suspects. The other ridiculous stat that was brought out after JuJu fumbled the Saints game away is that Ben has had 11 game-winning drive attempts fumbled away, compared to only 4 each for Brady and Rodgers. One of those of course was notably in SB 45 by Mendenhall. Coaching malpractice from day 1.
So if Tomlin is somehow still around after Ben retires, I’m outta there. KC looks like a fun team to be a fan of :justjen
Nah man, clearly it's Ben's fault :lol
Seriously though, as a life long Steelers fan, it's hard for me to argue with any of that. This is the issue with the way the Rooney's treat coaches, Tomlin doesn't even feel like his job is remotely in question, and why would he? As a whole, I like the idea of continuity with coaches when most other teams cycle through coaches every other year. But this is the downfall.
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Huh? What does Ben have to do with the conversation? Also, he's actually been a really good leader on the team over the bulk of his career since he straightened his life out.
Constantly calling out teammates to the media is being a great leader? I have seen numerous ex-NFL players in the last few days say how that is very poor form to do that. Plenty of blame to go around, and I think it goes without saying that both Tomlin and Ben enabled A. Brown's childish behavior for years. And what we are seeing now is the result.
Dude, no. Putting AB's behavior on Ben is silly. Ben has called out teammates a couple times. When he does, the national media is all over it. Ben, the vast majority of the time, takes the blame when the team under performs. It's just not a story nationally when that happens. It gets reported here locally though. Also, sometimes that's what gets guys motivated, calling someone out doesn't make Ben a bad leader, maybe that's the best way to motivate a certain player. Wouldn't that make him a good leader?
The coach has been an enabler, that's a point we can agree on.
I didn't put AB's behavior on Ben; I said Ben and Tomlin both enabled AB's childish behavior.
Ultimately, this is all on Antonio Brown, but I think it's obvious that the leadership at the top has been lacking, and that starts with both the coach and the QB.
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I didn't put AB's behavior on Ben; I said Ben and Tomlin both enabled AB's childish behavior.
Ultimately, this is all on Antonio Brown, but I think it's obvious that the leadership at the top has been lacking, and that starts with both the coach and the QB.
I'd say part of the coach's job is to correct AB's bad behavior. I don't think that is part of Ben's job at all. Tomlin has done many things over the years that I could point to that directly enabled this type of behavior in AB. I can't do that with Ben.
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Anyway, as far as this weekend goes, here are my picks:
Ind @ Hou
Sea @ Dal
LAC @ Bal
Phi @ Chi
What I think will likely happy is pretty much in line with what I want to happen.
I would love if you're right. I loathe both the Seahawks and the Ravens, but I feel like Seattle over Dallas is probably the most likely result in any of these games. I'm also skeptical about the Chargers beating the Ravens, although the two teams having played just a couple weeks ago should give the Chargers a bit of a boost.
I have a feeling Houston may pull through and finally win a playoff game, and I agree that Chicago will likely beat Philly.
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Even though Seattle has a big edge at both head coach and QB, I think Dallas will win. The Seahawks aren't nearly as good on the road as they are at home, and the Cowboys D is pretty damn good. I think their D and a lot of Elliot running the ball will get them a boring, low-scoring win.
Ravens/Chargers is tough. Despite the game two weeks ago, the Chargers are the better team, but they are a west coast team having to play on the road early on the east coast Sunday (talk about getting screwed again). Not an ideal situation for them.
The Eagles are healthier now, but that Bears D is something else. Unless Trubisky gets turnover-happy, I think the Bears take it.
It goes without saying that I never trust a Bill O'Brien team, so I am picking the Colts.
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I have a feeling Houston may pull through and finally win a playoff game
What do you mean by "finally"? We've won the WC round 3 out of 4 times, including 1/2 in the BOB era.
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I have a feeling Houston may pull through and finally win a playoff game
What do you mean by "finally"? We've won the WC round 3 out of 4 times, including 1/2 in the BOB era.
Shows how much attention I pay to the Texans.... And I'd have sworn I read or heard something about them never having won a playoff game. Oh well. At least your team is IN the playoffs.
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Never take anything the media says about less-popular teams' franchise histories seriously. I've learned, on numerous occasions, that basically one person hunts down a stat and then one media outlet after another will regurgitate it regardless of accuracy. Just from spending numerous occasions nerding out on wikipedia and profootballreference I've run into several instances of the media perpetuating false stats, "records", etc., on things where I instantly knew they were wrong just by it coincidentally being something I'd already researched in the past.
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Here are my playoff picks. As a Chiefs fan I would love for this to be their year however their defense is just not good enough. Next year will be their year.
Wild Card
Ind @ Hou- This should be good game among divisional foes who are fairly evenly matched though I think Houston is slightly better on both sides of the ball and they win at home.
Sea @ Dal- I hate Dallas and they have either been great or terrible. Seattle has been consistently just good enough to win. I think there is a Dallas meltdown and Seattle wins.
LAC @ Bal- Chargers are the best wild card team and they easily beat Baltimore.
Phi @ Chi- Bears defense is too much for the Eagles though the game is closer than most expect. The Eagles have been hot lately but I just don't see how the Bears lose this game.
Divisional Round
Sea @ NO- A very rested Saints team gets an easy win.
Chi @ LAR- This should be a great rematch though I think the Rams win this won at home in non-frigid weather. Honestly, I think the Super Bowl champ is the winner of this game.
LAC @ KC- And another great rematch. After squeaking out a win in KC a few weeks ago I think the Chargers have no fear of the Chiefs and we all know Reids playoff history. If KC wins this game they make the Super Bowl. Going with my Chiefs.
Hou @ NE- Houston handled the patriots earlier in the year and I think they do it again. The patriots have Brady but I just don't trust who is around him.
Conference Championship
LAR @ NO- This would be a hell of a game and another great rematch. The surprising lack of offense from the Saints lately makes me lean towards the rams.
Hou @ KC- As bad as the Chiefs defense is Houston doesn't have the offense fire power to keep up with the Chiefs.
Super Bowl
LAR vs KC- This is the rematch of the year after the crazy MNF game. As mentioned above I just don't think KC has the defense to win a title this year. Rams win the title in a thriller.
Now let's see many I get wrong. ;D
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Hou @ NE- Houston handled the patriots earlier in the year and I think they do it again. The patriots have Brady but I just don't trust who is around him.
Hou @ KC- As bad as the Chiefs defense is Houston doesn't have the offense fire power to keep up with the Chiefs.
Now let's see many I get wrong. ;D
We lost 27-20 in Week 1, so I'm not sure what you mean by "handled the Patriots". That said, it was Watson's first game back from a torn ACL so he was pretty rusty.
As long as we have a healthy Watson, that's all the firepower we need. Though I do agree that we won't keep up. It'll be close, but it'll probably come down to whoever has more turnovers. Our defense hasn't been able to stop anyone lately.
I'm thinking 42-35 Chiefs, assuming we even beat the Patriots.
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I have a feeling Houston may pull through and finally win a playoff game
What do you mean by "finally"? We've won the WC round 3 out of 4 times, including 1/2 in the BOB era.
Shows how much attention I pay to the Texans.... And I'd have sworn I read or heard something about them never having won a playoff game. Oh well. At least your team is IN the playoffs.
I forgive you. I thought you were making a thinly veiled insult about how our only playoff wins have been against the Carr-less 2016 Raiders, and the Bengals in 2011 and 2012, who haven't won a playoff game since the 90's.
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Whoever wins the Seattle @ Dallas game will likely fall to the Saints next week. I'm rooting for Seattle or Dallas to beat the saints, but not likely. Dallas beat the Saints earlier but that was at home, it would be a good re-match though. I'm still not counting out the Seahawks either, they're hungry and are playing as good as anybody on a good day.
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Hou @ NE- Houston handled the patriots earlier in the year and I think they do it again. The patriots have Brady but I just don't trust who is around him.
Hou @ KC- As bad as the Chiefs defense is Houston doesn't have the offense fire power to keep up with the Chiefs.
Now let's see many I get wrong. ;D
We lost 27-20 in Week 1, so I'm not sure what you mean by "handled the Patriots". That said, it was Watson's first game back from a torn ACL so he was pretty rusty.
As long as we have a healthy Watson, that's all the firepower we need. Though I do agree that we won't keep up. It'll be close, but it'll probably come down to whoever has more turnovers. Our defense hasn't been able to stop anyone lately.
I'm thinking 42-35 Chiefs, assuming we even beat the Patriots.
I don't see the Texans winning in Foxborough. In fact, have they ever? My hunch is that NE wins at home and loses to KC at Arrowhead.
The SEA/DAL game is a tough one. Dallas is the better team, but I keep coming back to Carrol vs Garret, and Dallas's history of always coming up just short in the playoffs. A bobbled hold. Calvin Johnson rule bullshit. Aaron Rodgers heroics. They just never catch a break.
No underdog mystique this year. Chicago beats the Eagles.
The Chargers are definitely the better team, and they'll very likely win this, but I don't have a huge amount of confidence in Rivers. This game's by no means a certainty.
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Yeah, it that's the scenario, El Barto has it right.
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Pete Carrol and Dak Prescott understand Dallas and football better than most.
It’s a real glitzy place you know. When you come out of a football locker room ready to play football and you go into a nightclub, it’s kind of like, ‘We’re in the club. No, wait a minute, we gotta go play ball.’ And then you come back to the club and they’re all — anyway — it’s unusual. And then they’re right with you too. Those people that are sitting behind you, I don’t know how they see the game. It doesn’t look like they care; they’re having such a good time. It is an unusual place.
Jerry never wanted to build a house of football. He wanted a big circus tent, which is exactly what Dallas wants. People who go to the game go to party and go to be seen. That's why 30k people shell out money to get in the stadium and not even have a seat. As much as they hate him, Dallasites were very lucky to have him buy the team. He knows what they want and he gives it to him. I suspect the go-go dancers will be out in full force tomorrow.
I just hope when I signal for everyone to be quiet, they will be quiet, knowing how important it is for us to communicate. Hopefully, the fans are working well with us. But when we’re on defense, showing how loud they can be.
This is a longstanding deal, and it's indicative of Pete's point. Football fans know when to cheer and when to STFU. Cowboys fans aren't football fans, though. They want to see offense. I went to a couple of games back during the glory years, and it was really silly. Deion Sanders would line up as receiver, which he was never good at, and the crowd would be deafening. After a false start penalty Troy would land a ball where he was supposed to be. Then they'd punt. At which point that wonderful defense would come out and the fans would all go to get a beer. I always thought Jerry should have paid to run some commercials explaining to Cowboys fans how to cheer. I doubt he gets it either, though.
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My predictions....
6. Indianapolis @ 3. Houston - Should be a wild game, but I like Watson to make a crucial play in crunch time.
5. Seattle @ 4. Dallas - Wilson and Carroll's experience edges out a game Dallas team. Garrett is fired. Jerry hires (or trades for) a name.
5. L.A. @ 4. Baltimore - Both QBs make mistakes, but the Baltimore D is the one that capitalizes.
6. Philadelphia @ 3. Chicago - This will be similar to last year's #6-#3 game. Chicago...more specifically Mitch is a year away and the Philly magic lasts one more week.
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Luck has this offense humming in the early going.
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Can't say I am surprised by what is happening so far. The Texans D has been trash against good QBs this year, and the Colts came in white hot.
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Colts move on to Kansas City. Should be an exciting game.... hopefully as exciting as their last postseason meeting.
Seahawks and Cowboys are up!
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Well that was a nasty injury
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Well that was a nasty injury
I missed it but from the boot I gather he broke his leg.
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We watched as his ankle snapped into two before our eyes
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Luck is an easy guy to root for, glad the Colts won.
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We might have just seen Janikowski's last kick, and that would be a shame.
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Are there any special rules for drop kick FG's? Both national and local announcers are saying Dickson practices drop kick FG's all the time and has gotten pretty good at them. But they showed footage of him trying a standard FG and that was a disaster.
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Of course, we screw ourselves over with penalties. Only got to see the last quarter. But Damn...
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Great NFC game tonight. Right down to an onside kick.
Though the punter is doing the onside.
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My predictions....
6. Indianapolis @ 3. Houston - Should be a wild game, but I like Watson to make a crucial play in crunch time.
5. Seattle @ 4. Dallas - Wilson and Carroll's experience edges out a game Dallas team. Garrett is fired. Jerry hires (or trades for) a name.
5. L.A. @ 4. Baltimore - Both QBs make mistakes, but the Baltimore D is the one that capitalizes.
6. Philadelphia @ 3. Chicago - This will be similar to last year's #6-#3 game. Chicago...more specifically Mitch is a year away and the Philly magic lasts one more week.
Well, you’re 0-2 so far! :p
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Great NFC game tonight. Right down to an onside kick.
Though the punter is doing the onside.
I :facepalm: at that.
But its good it was a good game. Might watch it sometime when they show again.
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Allen Hurn broke his leg 😩 #Cowboys #Seahawks https://twitter.com/manuelgvargas_/status/1081726606983409664/video/1
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My predictions....
6. Indianapolis @ 3. Houston - Should be a wild game, but I like Watson to make a crucial play in crunch time.
5. Seattle @ 4. Dallas - Wilson and Carroll's experience edges out a game Dallas team. Garrett is fired. Jerry hires (or trades for) a name.
5. L.A. @ 4. Baltimore - Both QBs make mistakes, but the Baltimore D is the one that capitalizes.
6. Philadelphia @ 3. Chicago - This will be similar to last year's #6-#3 game. Chicago...more specifically Mitch is a year away and the Philly magic lasts one more week.
Well, you’re 0-2 so far! :p
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Guess I won't be quitting my day job.
Allen Hurn broke his leg 😩 #Cowboys #Seahawks https://twitter.com/manuelgvargas_/status/1081726606983409664/video/1
Welcome to nearly 3 hours ago.
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Even with a perfect storm of stupid penalties, a great Dallas D and losing a kicker, they still almost pulled it out.
Now my hope is the Rams.
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What kind of rinky dink organization goes into a playoff game without a second player who can at least make a passing attempt at an extra point or a kick off a tee? It's not like they didn't know Janikowski was injured going into the game. What a joke, but I'm happy with the result.
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Bad beat for those who had Dallas minus 2 1/2 points. :lol :lol
For all of his success in Seattle, Pete Carroll has one road playoff win (the one at Washington where they were getting clowned before RG3 got hurt).
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No idea why the Hawks have an old man, over the hill kicker with no back up. That onside kick was embarrassing! Victory formation! :lol
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Bad beat for those who had Dallas minus 2 1/2 points. :lol :lol
For all of his success in Seattle, Pete Carroll has one road playoff win (the one at Washington where they were getting clowned before RG3 got hurt).
He's also got one @Minnesota, where he was the beneficiary of Blair Walsh's terrible missed kick.
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Of course, we screw ourselves over with penalties. Only got to see the last quarter. But Damn...
I’ve seen plenty of games where those 2 3rd-down penalties on Dallas’ last scoring drive were not called. Kinda sucks, but then again they didn’t call the one on Dak’s int when the defender got there a hair early.
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Bad beat for those who had Dallas minus 2 1/2 points. :lol :lol
For all of his success in Seattle, Pete Carroll has one road playoff win (the one at Washington where they were getting clowned before RG3 got hurt).
He's also got one @Minnesota, where he was the beneficiary of Blair Walsh's terrible missed kick.
Good call, I forgot about that one. :tup :tup
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Ugh. Losing Melvin Gordon would be a tremendous loss for Los Angeles.
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When does Flacco come in?
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Good to see the Chargers sticking to the run game that isn’t working...
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Good to see the Chargers sticking to the run game that isn’t working...
It is working. 12-0 is 12-0.
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Good to see the Chargers sticking to the run game that isn’t working...
It is working. 12-0 is 12-0.
Fair enough. But as we just saw, field goals won’t cut it in the playoffs. That blocked kick could serve as a huge momentum swing. Right now, LA’s offense isn’t playing with the killer instinct needed to go far in the playoffs.
EDIT: On the plus side, the defense is playing lights out right now.
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Fair enough. But as we just saw, field goals won’t cut it in the playoffs. That blocked kick could serve as a huge momentum swing. Right now, LA’s offense isn’t playing with the killer instinct needed to go far in the playoffs.
I disagree. Both defenses are playing great, and field goals have them leading 12-0. The Chargers offense is playing smart and efficient. No need to get crazy aggressive and risk turning it over and letting the Ravens back in it.
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Fair enough. But as we just saw, field goals won’t cut it in the playoffs. That blocked kick could serve as a huge momentum swing. Right now, LA’s offense isn’t playing with the killer instinct needed to go far in the playoffs.
I disagree. Both defenses are playing great, and field goals have them leading 12-0. The Chargers offense is playing smart and efficient. No need to get crazy aggressive and risk turning it over and letting the Ravens back in it.
I guess I’m being overly critical since this is the first time in a while where it feels like a team I genuinely like looks like a contender.
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And now their idiot TD fumbles fighting for extra yards and the Ravens have a little life.
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It doesn’t matter who wins this game. Neither of these teams looks good enough to beat the Patriots, Chiefs, or Colts.
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Holy crap!
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Crazy play....this game is exciting...and that excitement has zero to do with Lamar Jackson....thus far
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That was the right call being down at the 1 foot line.
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Crazy play....this game is exciting...and that excitement has zero to do with Lamar Jackson....thus far
I wouldn’t be surprised if we have a Flacco sighting on the next drive.
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Nope.
Snd the fans are booing. They want Flacco in.
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It doesn’t matter who wins this game. Neither of these teams looks good enough to beat the Patriots, Chiefs, or Colts.
I don't get this.....what more do the Chargers need to show you? They've been the most impressive road team in the league this year..... And what they're doing in Baltimore right now is impressive as hell.
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I don't understand that at all either... I'd be terrified of this Chargers team if I were the Patriots. And it's not like they haven't already gone into Arrowhead and beaten the Chiefs.
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It doesn’t matter who wins this game. Neither of these teams looks good enough to beat the Patriots, Chiefs, or Colts.
I don't get this.....what more do the Chargers need to show you? They've been the most impressive road team in the league this year..... And what they're doing in Baltimore right now is impressive as hell.
I’m extremely cynical when it comes to sports. Chalk it up to being a Jets fan first and foremost, but knowing that the winner goes to New England, I want to see that one of these offenses will be able to hang with Tom Brady.
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I don't understand that at all either... I'd be terrified of this Chargers team if I were the Patriots. And it's not like they haven't already gone into Arrowhead and beaten the Chiefs.
It's weird to explain but we've always taken care of business with the Chargers.
The way the Pats have played all year I should worry but I don't.
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Certainly an interesting finish...
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I don't see Jackson being the first rookie QB to win in Foxborough.
Keeping Jackson in rather than Flacko is the right move, win or lose. Jackson's going to be their QB for quite some time, and you have to give him this experience.
Haven't seen him play much, but the dude throws a pretty deep ball when he has the time.
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Bring on the Chargers.
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Rivers vs. Brady.
0-7.
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Bring on the Chargers.
Bring on the Patriots.
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BRING ON THE BEARS!
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Bring on the Chargers.
Bring on the Patriots.
Gave up on the J-E-T-S eh?
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Go Pack Go!
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Bring on the Chargers.
Bring on the Patriots.
Gave up on the J-E-T-S eh?
The Jets will always be number one, but I love the Chargers and hate the Patriots.
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I knew the hate but didn't know you loved the Chargers.
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He does now. ;D
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He does now. ;D
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This is a fun topic. I always admired Pittsburgh in my youth. Obviously they were great and that's why.
I can admire individual players while hating teams.
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I knew the hate but didn't know you loved the Chargers.
I’ve had a powder blue Gates jersey for years now. Not a fan of the move to LA after the Rams already relocated, ensuring that they’ll be the least popular team in the area, but I’ve always supported them since I first started really getting into football.
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I knew the hate but didn't know you loved the Chargers.
I’ve had a powder blue Gates jersey for years now. Not a fan of the move to LA after the Rams already relocated, ensuring that they’ll be the least popular team in the area, but I’ve always supported them since I first started really getting into football.
Sounds like they're going to be the Jets of the west.
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I knew the hate but didn't know you loved the Chargers.
I’ve had a powder blue Gates jersey for years now. Not a fan of the move to LA after the Rams already relocated, ensuring that they’ll be the least popular team in the area, but I’ve always supported them since I first started really getting into football.
That's cool. I agree with not liking the move. Unlike N.Y, who can support 2 football teams, L.A. can't.
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Chargers tried to blow that, but hung on. Lamar Jackson was beyond awful and only put up numbers late when the Chargers went into prevent mode. Had they put Flacco in earlier, they might have had a better shot to win.
Bears/Eagles game is fun. Lots of good D.
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I am so proud of these dudes in the Eagles' secondary
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Bears blew it.
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OR DID THEY?!?
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Bears blew it.
Holy SHIT!!!!
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nope, they did :lol :lol
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OR DID THEY?!?
THEY DID!!
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That blows.
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YES SIR! The refs blew the call on the 2 point conversion.....glad it didn't cost the Eagles......
The magic ride continues
....bring on the Saints!
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SHOCKED that a kicker choked a season away. Khalil Mack deserved better than that, but I like the Eagles so looking forward to some good games next week, hopefully with some better passing attacks. I’ve seen enough punts this weekend to last me a lifetime.
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Robbie Gould was in the stands at the Bears game as he still lives here. He is 82 of 85 since being cut by the Bears. He was 33 of 34 this year. The Bears thought he was too expensive.
Whoops.
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Saw the last two minutes of the Eagles/Bears game. Good stuff. Collinsworth said Bears lost on two doinks. Which made me think of this.
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Thought the Seahawks had a good chance in Dallas, and as I pegged them as an 8-8 team I am not terribly disappointed in this season. Carroll did a good job after dumping most of their dead weight/douchebags.
No real preferences on who moves on from here. No one I want to see hold up the trophy, no one I don't want to see hold it up. So just give me some entertaining games.
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Evidently an Eagles DT may have gotten his hand on the ball a little bit.
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Wow, who would have thought that we'd get two wildcard teams in the AFC championship game?
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Wow, who would have thought that we'd get two wildcard teams in the AFC championship game?
They still need to go through KC and New England next weekend. I'll say that an AFC championship game between Indy and the Chargers really wouldn't surprise me, though.
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Evidently an Eagles DT may have gotten his hand on the ball a little bit.
Yep, just watched the video and Hester tipped it. Amazing that it still almost went in. I thought it hooked awfully hard. Hopefully people can get off Parker's back now.
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Here are my playoff picks. As a Chiefs fan I would love for this to be their year however their defense is just not good enough. Next year will be their year.
Wild Card
Ind @ Hou- This should be good game among divisional foes who are fairly evenly matched though I think Houston is slightly better on both sides of the ball and they win at home.
Sea @ Dal- I hate Dallas and they have either been great or terrible. Seattle has been consistently just good enough to win. I think there is a Dallas meltdown and Seattle wins.
LAC @ Bal- Chargers are the best wild card team and they easily beat Baltimore.
Phi @ Chi- Bears defense is too much for the Eagles though the game is closer than most expect. The Eagles have been hot lately but I just don't see how the Bears lose this game.
Divisional Round
Sea @ NO- A very rested Saints team gets an easy win.
Chi @ LAR- This should be a great rematch though I think the Rams win this won at home in non-frigid weather. Honestly, I think the Super Bowl champ is the winner of this game.
LAC @ KC- And another great rematch. After squeaking out a win in KC a few weeks ago I think the Chargers have no fear of the Chiefs and we all know Reids playoff history. If KC wins this game they make the Super Bowl. Going with my Chiefs.
Hou @ NE- Houston handled the patriots earlier in the year and I think they do it again. The patriots have Brady but I just don't trust who is around him.
Conference Championship
LAR @ NO- This would be a hell of a game and another great rematch. The surprising lack of offense from the Saints lately makes me lean towards the rams.
Hou @ KC- As bad as the Chiefs defense is Houston doesn't have the offense fire power to keep up with the Chiefs.
Super Bowl
LAR vs KC- This is the rematch of the year after the crazy MNF game. As mentioned above I just don't think KC has the defense to win a title this year. Rams win the title in a thriller.
Now let's see many I get wrong. ;D
Well I got 1/4 right and the Chargers almost got me 0/4. Crazy slate of games. The Colts looked the most legit out of the 4 winners though the Eagles just continue to find ways to win.
Updated Predictions
Divisional Round
PHI @ NO- Can the Eagles win another game as the underdog? On the road vs. a solid rested Saints Defense I say no.
Dal @ LAR- Dallas has a really good defense and Elliot and Cooper. Not sold on Dak at QB and with Hurns out Cooper will get doubled. Rams win easily.
IND @ KC- As a Chiefs fan I'm worried about this game. The Colts have looked great the second half of the season. I'm going to change my original prediction and say the KC Playoff drought continues.
LAC @ NE- Both teams have been inconsistent. I'll lean towards Brady at home.
Conference Championship
LAR @ NO- This would be a hell of a game and another great rematch. The surprising lack of offense from the Saints lately makes me lean towards the rams.
Ind @ NE- I've been really impressed by the Colts and they think make the Super Bowl.
Super Bowl
LAR vs Ind
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Parker outscored the entire Bears offense 9-6 so he has nothing to be ashamed of. However some people always need a scapegoat.
QBs tend to lose in their first playoff game. Watson, Jackson and Trubiski are three more names for that list. We'll see how Mahomes does this week.
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I don't see Jackson being the first rookie QB to win in Foxborough.
Keeping Jackson in rather than Flacko is the right move, win or lose. Jackson's going to be their QB for quite some time, and you have to give him this experience.
Haven't seen him play much, but the dude throws a pretty deep ball when he has the time.
Yeah, but he's an NBA player in an NFL league. He has to learn that the extra yard for the highlight reel isn't going to cut it. Get the first down, and get out of bounds. Those DB's are bigger than you, and there's anywhere from 4 to 7 of them, and ONE of you. Get the first down, and take the knee.
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I picked three of the four games with my heart, and one, even though I don't like the team, I just saw no way they were going to lose, so I went with my head.
It shouldn't surprise anyone that I went 1-3 this weekend. :tdwn
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Just saw a meme about Tom Brady, none of the 3 AFC playoff teams QB's have EVER beaten Tom Brady. That's an 0-14 record combined.
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Just saw a meme about Tom Brady, none of the 3 AFC playoff teams QB's have EVER beaten Tom Brady. That's an 0-14 record combined.
Meaningless stat FTW! :P
Parker outscored the entire Bears offense 9-6 so he has nothing to be ashamed of. However some people always need a scapegoat.
I blame a) the number 1 defense giving up the lead late, and b) Nagy, for that bone-headed play call on the 2-point play when they had a chance to go up 17-10.
My beef with these offensive "genius" play callers is that they often try to be too clever. They don't want to call a boring play that has a great chance of working; they want to call a clever play that has a good chance of working so they can get credit for the play call. When it works, like with the Philly Special last year, it's great, but when it doesn't, it makes you look not-so smart.
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3/4 for me (and a tipped FT from 4/4!). Predictions for this week:
PHI @ NO. I can't stand the Eagles AND I don't think they should even be in the playoffs. I refuse to give them any credit. But beyond that, I just think the Saints are leagues ahead.
Dal @ LAR. This is a tough one. But the better teams have exposed where the Rams are weak, and I think Dallas is just good enough to exploit those weaknesses.
IND @ KC. The Colts are hot. I think they have what it takes to survive another week.
LAC @ NE. NE can never be counted out in the playoffs with this coach and this QB. But I think the Chargers are the stronger team.
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3/4 for me (and a tipped FT from 4/4!). Predictions for this week:
PHI @ NO. I can't stand the Eagles AND I don't think they should even be in the playoffs. I refuse to give them any credit. But beyond that, I just think the Saints are leagues ahead.
I told Bosk to write this.
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True fact: Stadler ALWAYS tells me what to write. I am simply his puppet. He existed behind the scenes from the beginning and told me to start this forum as a place for him to express his views through me. I make no post unless Stadler first types it and sends it to me. All hail Stadler!
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Only saw a little of the Bears game due to having a sick kid, but I did catch the last minute. Awful, but I'm sure there were plenty of opportunities for the offence to get things done and didn't. Had they won, they'd probably get steamrolled by the Saints and/or Rams, if they made it that far. It's been a fun season - after so many years of sucking (and a random ride of defense and special teams to the Super Bowl in 2006), it was awesome to have a team that actually played well.
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Robbie Gould was in the stands at the Bears game as he still lives here. He is 82 of 85 since being cut by the Bears. He was 33 of 34 this year. The Bears thought he was too expensive.
Whoops.
I don't understand how teams don't understand the importance of a GREAT kicker. It's one thing not to want to overpay an okay kicker, but you have someone as solid as Gould and you give him whatever the market demands. In an otherwise bad season again for the Niners the one great consistent thing is that if the field goal unit hits the field you basically assume you have 3-points.
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Robbie Gould was in the stands at the Bears game as he still lives here. He is 82 of 85 since being cut by the Bears. He was 33 of 34 this year. The Bears thought he was too expensive.
Whoops.
I don't understand how teams don't understand the importance of a GREAT kicker. It's one thing not to want to overpay an okay kicker, but you have someone as solid as Gould and you give him whatever the market demands. In an otherwise bad season again for the Niners the one great consistent thing is that if the field goal unit hits the field you basically assume you have 3-points.
Funny seeing Gould and "great kicker" in the same statement. Well, he was really awesome in the NFL. He was just absolutely terrible at Penn State. I've seen him cost PSU so many games, but he turned it around and found success in the NFL so I kind of love the guy and love seeing this actually. Having said that, Gould is one guy that can relate to what happened too.
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Saw the last two minutes of the Eagles/Bears game. Good stuff. Collinsworth said Bears lost on two doinks.
Initially he called it a "double doink". Al Michaels repeated it later.. :lol :lol
I'm still bummed the Bears lost though.
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I'm hoping Dallas takes the Super Bowl this year, but MANNN do they have to go through the gauntlet. :omg:
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Robbie Gould was in the stands at the Bears game as he still lives here. He is 82 of 85 since being cut by the Bears. He was 33 of 34 this year. The Bears thought he was too expensive.
Whoops.
I don't understand how teams don't understand the importance of a GREAT kicker. It's one thing not to want to overpay an okay kicker, but you have someone as solid as Gould and you give him whatever the market demands. In an otherwise bad season again for the Niners the one great consistent thing is that if the field goal unit hits the field you basically assume you have 3-points.
The kick was blocked. You can see Hesters fingers bend back. 100% blocked yet it's mostly getting ignored by the media.
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Robbie Gould was in the stands at the Bears game as he still lives here. He is 82 of 85 since being cut by the Bears. He was 33 of 34 this year. The Bears thought he was too expensive.
Whoops.
I don't understand how teams don't understand the importance of a GREAT kicker. It's one thing not to want to overpay an okay kicker, but you have someone as solid as Gould and you give him whatever the market demands. In an otherwise bad season again for the Niners the one great consistent thing is that if the field goal unit hits the field you basically assume you have 3-points.
The kick was blocked. You can see Hesters fingers bend back. 100% blocked yet it's mostly getting ignored by the media.
The kick wasn't blocked, it was *very* slightly deflected. Frankly there is no way of knowing if that minor contact helped or hurt. Frankly the kick may have gone a foot wide of the post and due to that tip gotten closer to being made.
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The kick was tipped at best, grazed at worst. It was not blocked. Blocked kicks don't make it to the goalpost.
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SHOCKED that the Bears defense choked a season away.
ftfy
3/4 for me (and a tipped FT from 4/4!). Predictions for this week:
PHI @ NO. I can't stand the Eagles AND I don't think they should even be in the playoffs. I refuse to give them any credit. But beyond that, I just think the Saints are leagues ahead.
Dal @ LAR. This is a tough one. But the better teams have exposed where the Rams are weak, and I think Dallas is just good enough to exploit those weaknesses.
IND @ KC. The Colts are hot. I think they have what it takes to survive another week.
LAC @ NE. NE can never be counted out in the playoffs with this coach and this QB. But I think the Chargers are the stronger team.
If I had expressly picked this past weekend's games, I might very well have been 0 for 4!
As for next weekend, I'm having a very hard time picking against any of the home teams. I supposed the Colts would be the most likely road winner.
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Not sure if that means you are picking the home teams because home field advantage plays a role, or just because you think they are better. But I will say that when it comes to home field advantage, I really don't think the Rams have anything other than just not having to travel.
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The kick was tipped at best, grazed at worst. It was not blocked. Blocked kicks don't make it to the goalpost.
The NFL has officially credited Hester with a Block
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Plus, Dallas fans seem to travel well when playing in So Cal, so that is a neutral site game at best.
There is no result this coming weekend that will surprise me. It's rare to say it, but I think any of the remaining eight teams could end up winning the Super Bowl.
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The kick was tipped at best, grazed at worst. It was not blocked. Blocked kicks don't make it to the goalpost.
The NFL has officially credited Hester with a Block
Well, yeah. They don't have a "grazed" stat. :lol But DoC likes being pedantic, even when his arguments are indefensible, so... :dunno:
Plus, Dallas fans seem to travel well when playing in So Cal, so that is a neutral site game at best.
Yeah, that's a better way of saying it.
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The kick was tipped at best, grazed at worst. It was not blocked. Blocked kicks don't make it to the goalpost.
The NFL has officially credited Hester with a Block
Well that's what I get for using common sense when appliying the word block to something that was not blocked. But I looked it up and you're right.....the NFL counts any contact by a defender as a block, so......learn something new every day.
The kick was tipped at best, grazed at worst. It was not blocked. Blocked kicks don't make it to the goalpost.
The NFL has officially credited Hester with a Block
Well, yeah. They don't have a "grazed" stat. :lol But DoC likes being pedantic, even when his arguments are indefensible, so... :dunno:
Plus, Dallas fans seem to travel well when playing in So Cal, so that is a neutral site game at best.
Yeah, that's a better way of saying it.
You must have me confused with someone else or have misremembered something...... cause that ain't me.
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The kick was tipped at best, grazed at worst. It was not blocked. Blocked kicks don't make it to the goalpost.
The NFL has officially credited Hester with a Block
Well, yeah. They don't have a "grazed" stat. :lol But DoC likes being pedantic, even when his arguments are indefensible, so... :dunno:
Plus, Dallas fans seem to travel well when playing in So Cal, so that is a neutral site game at best.
Yeah, that's a better way of saying it.
You must have me confused with someone else or have misremembered something...... cause that ain't me.
??? What are you even talking about?
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Indefensible arguments....the next one I present will be my first. I'll try to model it off of your "Russell Wilson is a notoriously dirty player" argument.
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Well, you might try making sense, because I have no idea what you are trying to say.
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Not sure if that means you are picking the home teams because home field advantage plays a role, or just because you think they are better. But I will say that when it comes to home field advantage, I really don't think the Rams have anything other than just not having to travel.
IMO, the Rams are vastly superior to the Cowboys on both sides of the ball, and about the only area where they're even is at the RB position. Whether the Rams have any significant home-field advantage is debatable, but not having to travel is significant, as is having had the week off.
I can't see the Chargers winning two straight road playoff games on the east coast. In the Belichick/Brady era, the only time the Patriots have lost in the divisional round was that fluke 2011 game against Mark Sanchez and the Jets.
The Saints are miles better than the Eagles, and the week off and home-field advantage only helps that.
As mentioned, the only game where I feel like the road team has a decent shot at winning is the Chiefs v. Colts game, and that's only because the Colts have been riding so high and the Chiefs have a history of playoff disappointment.
Not that this has any real predictive value, but in the last seven seasons since Green Bay won Super Bowl 45 as a #6 seed (in 2011, following the 2010 season), no wild card teams have made the Super Bowl, and only one (San Francisco in 2013-14) has even made it past the divisional round.
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As mentioned, the only game where I feel like the road team has a decent shot at winning is the Chiefs v. Colts game, and that's only because the Colts have been riding so high and the Chiefs have a history of playoff disappointment.
Never doubt Andy Reid's McClellanesque talents.
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I can't see the Chargers winning two straight road playoff games on the east coast. In the Belichick/Brady era, the only time the Patriots have lost in the divisional round was that fluke 2011 game against Mark Sanchez and the Jets.
What about when Plummer and the Broncos beat the Patriots in Denver in 2005? I'm assuming you meant that they haven't lost at home in the divisional round aside from the Jets game.
I'm picking the Chargers to win this one because I think they're a really bad matchup for the Patriots. If anything, it should help their chances that they already had to play on the east coast last weekend. I think this is the most well balanced team Rivers has had in his career. If they can pull this one off, I think they go on to win the Super Bowl.
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People, this is not a good (by their standards) Patriots team. Them losing to the Chargers should not shock anyone.
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I think it would shock a lot of people, including several who have posted in this thread :lol
They haven't lost at home once this season and they're coming off a bye week... even though I picked the Chargers and feel good about their chances, it wouldn't surprise me if the Patriots ended up winning.
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Around here, we usually refer to this week as a "Double Bye" or the "Tomato Can" game.
Not this year. The Chargers are for real and this game could go either way.
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I can respect that... some are looking at history and writing the Chargers off without taking the time to analyze the matchup. I think it will be the best game of the weekend.
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IMO, the Rams are vastly superior to the Cowboys on both sides of the ball, and about the only area where they're even is at the RB position. Whether the Rams have any significant home-field advantage is debatable, but not having to travel is significant, as is having had the week off.
I do not agree. Dallas has a significantly better defense than the Rams, and I think Zeke will run all over the Rams. Despite having the best defensive player in the league and a bunch of stars, the Rams D has not gelled as a whole and was subpar for much of the season.
What about when Plummer and the Broncos beat the Patriots in Denver in 2005?
Man, that was such an enjoyable and thrilling victory! :)
Fun fact: the Broncos are the only team with a winning record against the Patriots in the Belichick/Brady era. :coolio :hat
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I agree with TAC about the Patriots; they are a good team, they are not a good PATRIOTS team. Having said that, I'm not a huge fan of Rivers; he would be a great foil for Andy Reid (since both have a way of folding/melting down when it's time to elevate. I've called it many times: Phillip Rivers will never win a Super Bowl, and I can't really bail on that horse now, can I?) So does the Chargers dream die this week or next?
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Of course the Chargers can win but I wouldn't pick them to beat the Pats until they've shown they have made that leap to the next level. This may be a much better chargers team and a lesser Patriots team and I'd think this will be a good close game, but I wouldn't pick the Chargers to win.
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IMO, whether the Chargers' season ends this week has less to do with the Pats and more to do with whether or not it snows. In decent weather, I'm picking the Chargers. In really bad weather, there is no way I am picking an L.A. team against BB and Tom Brady.
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Fun fact: the Broncos are the only team with a winning record against the Patriots in the Belichick/Brady era. :coolio :hat
How is that fact fun?
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It's fun for everyone outside the Boston area. :biggrin:
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I can't see the Chargers winning two straight road playoff games on the east coast. In the Belichick/Brady era, the only time the Patriots have lost in the divisional round was that fluke 2011 game against Mark Sanchez and the Jets.
What about when Plummer and the Broncos beat the Patriots in Denver in 2005? I'm assuming you meant that they haven't lost at home in the divisional round aside from the Jets game.
Nope. I intended exactly what I wrote, but I overlooked that game. My mistake.
People, this is not a good (by their standards) Patriots team. Them losing to the Chargers should not shock anyone.
It wouldn't shock me, but I don't think it likely.
Fun fact: the Broncos are the only team with a winning record against the Patriots in the Belichick/Brady era. :coolio :hat
How is that fact fun?
I can imagine few facts being more fun.
IMO, whether the Chargers' season ends this week has less to do with the Pats and more to do with whether or not it snows. In decent weather, I'm picking the Chargers. In really bad weather, there is no way I am picking an L.A. team against BB and Tom Brady.
No precipitation predicted for Foxborough on Sunday, but it will be really cold (predicted high of 31).
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No precipitation predicted for Foxborough on Sunday, but it will be really cold (predicted high of 31).
I'm about an hour and a half by the crow to Foxborough, so this may or may not apply, but right now, my weather is sunny and cold (we're not going to see 30, likely, that day). BUT... our local weatherman said she has two models she generally relies on: as of yesterday, one is showing the forecast, and one is showing basically blizzard conditions for a good part of New England. I think it's too early, but it's not out of the question that conditions change.
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I was seeing 20% chance of freezing precip.
My hunch is that Bill's got the grounds crew "adjusting" the dials on 15 thermometers so they'll show 10° colder than it actually is, which he'll place all over the Chargers' tunnels and bench area.
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I am not convinced that really cold weather helps the Patriots. Remember how awesome Brett Favre was in cold weather games? Then he got a little older and suddenly he didn't play so well in cold games. And with Father Time catching up to Brady this year, those old bones won't be as comfortable in frigid temps like when he was younger. Melvin Gordon being healthy and good to go is a big deal, as the Chargers need him to be able to run the ball between the tackles and control the game.
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I am not convinced that really cold weather helps the Patriots.
I'm not saying it "helps" the Pats per se. But I think it hurts a team that is used to playing outdoors in much more moderate weather a lot more than it hurts the Pats, Brady's age notwithstanding. Rivers isn't a spring chicken either, but at least Brady has experience playing and winning those types of games. That's all I'm saying. I'm kinda making these numbers up, but if the Pats fall from being a 10/10 team in cold weather to an 8/10 team, I think maybe the Charges could fall to a 6/10 team. And if the wheels fall off on the Chargers due to the cold weather, then Brady doesn't have to do much.
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Rivers throws alright in the cold. He's not as good as normal, but he's not bad at all. He is, however, a fumbler in the cold.
But it's not all just Rivers/Brady. You got a 100 players on the field, and only half of them have fulltime experience playing in sub-freezing weather. There's also the Badgely vs Gostkowski part, along with the winds in Foxborough. Weather definitely favors NE.
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As much as I despise the Eagles, their win in Chicago (or I should say the Bears loss rather) was somewhat of a blessing. Now Philly has to go to NO and Dallas goes to LAR. Much to the Cowboys liking I’m sure. Once again it will be painful to route for Philly at NO (however unlikely that win will be), but that and a Cowboys win at LAR means the NFC Championship will be in Dallas. That would be the Cowboys easiest path to the SB. Nobody wants to play in NO. I mean NOBODY!
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Yes, but the NFC championship will be in NO, so it doesn't really matter.
And the AFC championship will be in L.A., which the NFL must hate.
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And the AFC championship will be in L.A., which the NFL must hate.
I'm really inclined to buy a couple tickets (currently going for $500+ on Stubhub) and then see if I can resell them if this actually happens. Demand for a conference championship game at a facility that only seats 27,000 would be pretty crazy.
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I dont see how the patriots win this game. yeah they have brady but that chargers d line with bosa, ingram and even philon and square is playing great. the secondary is dangerous as well especially if they play out of that 7 db nickel package. old man gronk vs derwin james or adrian phillips. i'll take that match up all day.
the only thing that worries me about that game is the chargers offense. the chargers havent looked right since the chiefs game granted they've played much tougher defenses in baltimore, denver and baltimore again so it'll be interesting to see what they could do against a soft pats defense.
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As much as I despise the Eagles, their win in Chicago (or I should say the Bears loss rather) was somewhat of a blessing. Now Philly has to go to NO and Dallas goes to LAR. Much to the Cowboys liking I’m sure. Once again it will be painful to route for Philly at NO (however unlikely that win will be), but that and a Cowboys win at LAR means the NFC Championship will be in Dallas. That would be the Cowboys easiest path to the SB. Nobody wants to play in NO. I mean NOBODY!
Eagles want to play there. Glad that's the matchup.
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I dont see how the patriots win this game. yeah they have brady but that chargers d line with bosa, ingram and even philon and square is playing great. the secondary is dangerous as well especially if they play out of that 7 db nickel package. old man gronk vs derwin james or adrian phillips. i'll take that match up all day.
the only thing that worries me about that game is the chargers offense. the chargers havent looked right since the chiefs game granted they've played much tougher defenses in baltimore, denver and baltimore again so it'll be interesting to see what they could do against a soft pats defense.
With all due respect, I don't see how anyone who watches football can say that.
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I dont see how the patriots win this game. yeah they have brady but that chargers d line with bosa, ingram and even philon and square is playing great. the secondary is dangerous as well especially if they play out of that 7 db nickel package. old man gronk vs derwin james or adrian phillips. i'll take that match up all day.
the only thing that worries me about that game is the chargers offense. the chargers havent looked right since the chiefs game granted they've played much tougher defenses in baltimore, denver and baltimore again so it'll be interesting to see what they could do against a soft pats defense.
With all due respect, I don't see how anyone who watches football can say that.
Agreed. Every time people start to write off the Patriots, they kick into another gear and find ways to win when it matters most. It’s honestly incredible to watch, as much as I dread the moment it happens every season.
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The Patriots had the 5th best rushing attack in the NFL this season and a top 10 scoring defense. And, oh yeah, they still have Bill Belichick as their coach and (despite his age) Tom Brady at QB. It's crazy for anyone to suggest that this team isn't good enough to win it all any more.
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Stats are for geeks, geek. ;D
Some of us have eyes.
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The Patriots had the 5th best rushing attack in the NFL this season and a top 10 scoring defense. And, oh yeah, they still have Bill Belichick as their coach and (despite his age) Tom Brady at QB. It's crazy for anyone to suggest that this team isn't good enough to win it all any more.
I see that but the offense has been dysfunctional and the Defense can't stop anyone worth their salt. This game worries me.
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the Ravens average 300 yards of rushing a game since lamar jackson took over and were held to under 100 against the chargers. All I'm saying is that if the chargers defense plays the way they played in Baltimore it could be a long day for NE.
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I think it says volumes that the fact that the Pats - still four point favorites - aren't a lock in the Divisional round is in and of itself news. I think two good teams are going to play football on Sunday, and whoever remains has a REAL good shot at bringing home an even bigger trophy in three weeks.
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The Pats get the benefit of the doubt. Chargers have everything to prove here. Would love to see the Chargers win....but I know what BB can do with a bye week.
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the Ravens average 300 yards of rushing a game since lamar jackson took over and were held to under 100 against the chargers. All I'm saying is that if the chargers defense plays the way they played in Baltimore it could be a long day for NE.
The Ravens didn't change much from their meeting a few weeks ago, and the Chargers figured out a couple of "tells", particularly the LT's feet, which indicated run/pass 100% of the time
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I dont see how the patriots win this game. yeah they have brady but that chargers d line with bosa, ingram and even philon and square is playing great. the secondary is dangerous as well especially if they play out of that 7 db nickel package. old man gronk vs derwin james or adrian phillips. i'll take that match up all day.
the only thing that worries me about that game is the chargers offense. the chargers havent looked right since the chiefs game granted they've played much tougher defenses in baltimore, denver and baltimore again so it'll be interesting to see what they could do against a soft pats defense.
With all due respect, I don't see how anyone who watches football can say that.
Agree. It's not unrealistic to thing the Chargers might win, but to suggest that there's no apparent way for the Patriots to win is baffling. It's not like the Patriots barely squeaked into the playoffs or the Chargers were some sort of juggernaut. We're not talking about the 1985 Bears here. And, the Patriots have had two weeks to rest and prepare for this game. Will it shock me if the Chargers win? No, but I don't think it'll happen.
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Looks like Cleveland and Denver have decided on new head coaches.
Kitchens to Cleveland looked obvious. I trust Dorsey's judgment completely. If Kitchens and Baker got good mojo...don't break it up.
Fangio to Denver is interesting. It's a bit of strength/strength hire so it will be interesting to see who he gets to run the offense.
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I like Arians, Bowles, and Leftwich going to Tampa. What could possibly go wrong? :lol
And I was glad to see GB hire somebody that wasn't JMD. While I think he's going to inherit a trainwreck, I would like to see him get the NE gig when the time comes.
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I like Arians, Bowles, and Leftwich going to Tampa.
Steelers fans everywhere mourning the pipe dream of Arians coming to Pittsburgh as HC :lol
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Looks like Cleveland and Denver have decided on new head coaches.
Kitchens to Cleveland looked obvious. I trust Dorsey's judgment completely. If Kitchens and Baker got good mojo...don't break it up.
Fangio to Denver is interesting. It's a bit of strength/strength hire so it will be interesting to see who he gets to run the offense.
Yup. Until the Broncos fix the offensive line, the team isn't going anywhere, so hiring a defensive head coach makes little sense unless he can bring in an offensive guru as OC. It's a bit like the selection of Bradley Chubb in the draft. As good as he was, I still bristle at the failure to select the Pro Bowl-bound Quenton Nelson to anchor the O-line for the next 10 years.
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I like Arians, Bowles, and Leftwich going to Tampa. What could possibly go wrong? :lol
And I was glad to see GB hire somebody that wasn't JMD. While I think he's going to inherit a trainwreck, I would like to see him get the NE gig when the time comes.
I'm hearing there's a chance Bowles goes to Chicago now that there's a DC opening there. He has a connection with Nagy.
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I like Arians, Bowles, and Leftwich going to Tampa. What could possibly go wrong? :lol
And I was glad to see GB hire somebody that wasn't JMD. While I think he's going to inherit a trainwreck, I would like to see him get the NE gig when the time comes.
I'm hearing there's a chance Bowles goes to Chicago now that there's a DC opening there. He has a connection with Nagy.
I thought the DC in Tampa thing was official. Guess he's pulling a McDaniels.
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I like Arians, Bowles, and Leftwich going to Tampa.
Steelers fans everywhere mourning the pipe dream of Arians coming to Pittsburgh as HC :lol
No way in hell I would have wanted to see that. He would have put his hands all over the offense, and that's not what they need to fix at this point.
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happy to see Fangio leave the Bears.
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Adam Gase gets picked up by the Jets. Sure he sold ownership on his ability to develop Darnold.
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I can't say I am excited about the Broncos hire, but we'll see what happens. Kubiak returning as the OC is great, as he is awesome at getting the most out of a QB, and that can only help the offense.
Poor Jets fans. Adam Gase? :lol :lol
And I have to admit that I chuckled at people saying the Browns was the most attractive of all of the head coaching jobs...and then they hire someone no one else would have as their head coach.
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I'm pretty excited about Fangio in Denver. I think he's a great fit for this team and he was the best option available. I also love the idea of Kubiak being a part of the coaching staff again.
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Adam Gase gets picked up by the Jets. Sure he sold ownership on his ability to develop Darnold.
Not sure how I feel about this signing, especially with McCarthy still on the market. Sure his Packers teams have really fallen off in the past two years and it seems like he lost the confidence of his players, but he’s one of the most successful coaches to hit the open market in years. He has a Super Bowl title, and if I’m basing my decision on QB development, well I’m pretty sure the success of Rodgers trumps the “success” of Tennehill. I’m hopeful that this decision will work out but if it doesn’t, it will just be another instance of Jets fans looking to the past and thinking “what if”.
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I think that's like saying that McCarthy deserves the job because he got to drive a Ferrari while Gase was driving a Focus. If Gase got anything out of his experience with Tannehill/Moore/Cutler.....then that's a huge accomplishment.
Edit...Oh and he made Brock Osweiler look serviceable
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Tampa is going no where as long as Winston is their QB regardless of who their coach is.
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I think that's like saying that McCarthy deserves the job because he got to drive a Ferrari while Gase was driving a Focus. If Gase got anything out of his experience with Tannehill/Moore/Cutler.....then that's a huge accomplishment.
Edit...Oh and he made Brock Osweiler look serviceable
Honestly I didn’t really want McCarthy, but I’m not sure Gase is the answer either.
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I'm pretty excited about Fangio in Denver. I think he's a great fit for this team and he was the best option available. I also love the idea of Kubiak being a part of the coaching staff again.
Time will tell, regarding Fangio. I sure hope the rumors of them going after Flacco are not true. Not that I am a big fan of Keenum, but I'd rather see Kubiak bleed as much as he can out of him than go after Flacco, who has been pretty mediocre since that bizarrely awesome postseason run he had six years ago.
Honestly I didn’t really want McCarthy, but I’m not sure Gase is the answer either.
Gase is obviously a great offensive mind, but word was that a lot of the Dolphins hated him near the end of his tenure there, which makes me think he is better off being a coordinator than a head coach.
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I'm pretty excited about Fangio in Denver. I think he's a great fit for this team and he was the best option available. I also love the idea of Kubiak being a part of the coaching staff again.
Time will tell, regarding Fangio. I sure hope the rumors of them going after Flacco are not true. Not that I am a big fan of Keenum, but I'd rather see Kubiak bleed as much as he can out of him than go after Flacco, who has been pretty mediocre since that bizarrely awesome postseason run he had six years ago.
I hadn't heard about going after Flacco. What a pointless move that would be. Flacco will be 34 at the start of the 2019 season; Keenum is three years younger; the two have been relatively comparable/mediocre over the past few seasons. The only reason for anyone to bring in a guy like Flacco would be to mentor a younger QB, but I don't see what Flacco could offer that Keenum can't. And, as I wrote a couple days ago, until the offensive line gets fixed, it won't much matter who the QB is.
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Kubiak got a lot out of Flacco the year he was the OC in Baltimore. If he believes Flacco is an upgrade to Keenum, I would tend to trust him. But really, either one of them are good enough to do just enough if the defense gets back to it's dominant self.
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I live in NY and I don’t know that I’ve ever heard a fan base as upset as the Jets are that they got Gase rather than McCarthy. I’m a Giants fan so it doesn’t matter to me one way or another, but I think the Jets made the right choice. I don’t like McCarthy and think he’s very overrated. He has had the luxury of having Rodgers as his QB and that is the reason he has the record he has.
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I live in NY and I don’t know that I’ve ever heard a fan base as upset as the Jets are that they got Gase rather than McCarthy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98&feature=youtu.be&t=38
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I think McCarthy is more than just Aaron Rodgers, and he has a lot to prove (including that he is more than Aaron Rodgers). I'd give him a flyer if all else was equal. I'm not sure about Gase. He's highly regarded, but is this a case of "Belichick in Cleveland", "Hue Jackson in Cleveland", or somewhere in between.
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I think McCarthy is more than just Aaron Rodgers, and he has a lot to prove (including that he is more than Aaron Rodgers). I'd give him a flyer if all else was equal. I'm not sure about Gase. He's highly regarded, but is this a case of "Belichick in Cleveland", "Hue Jackson in Cleveland", or somewhere in between.
It doesn't help McCarthy's rep that not only did he always have Favre or Rodgers in GB, but his record was pretty awful in games missed by either during his tenure there.
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I think McCarthy is more than just Aaron Rodgers, and he has a lot to prove (including that he is more than Aaron Rodgers). I'd give him a flyer if all else was equal. I'm not sure about Gase. He's highly regarded, but is this a case of "Belichick in Cleveland", "Hue Jackson in Cleveland", or somewhere in between.
It doesn't help McCarthy's rep that not only did he always have Favre or Rodgers in GB, but his record was pretty awful in games missed by either during his tenure there.
I don't really hold that against him as an indicator though; the guy who can put a legendary QB into a system, and have that system function without said legendary QB is as rare as Trump apologies. Belichick. Maybe Walsh. I suppose you can knock him for not having a suitable backup in uniform, but they can't all be Jimmy G or Dan Orlovsky.
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I went 1-3 in the Wild Card round. Let's see if I can go 0-4!
6. Indianapolis @ 1. Kansas City - Mahomes out-does Luck and the Chiefs finally get past the divisional round and advance to the AFC Championship for the first time since some dude name Joe was QB.
4. Dallas @ 2. L.A. Rams - This looks like a toss-up on paper, but like the Chiefs, I expect the Rams to get back on track and win by 10 or so points.
5. L.A. Chargers @ 2. New England - Don't care that the Chargers are undefeated outside of LA. New England is New England, and we know what to expect from this team coming off of that bye week.
6. Philadelphia @ 1. New Orleans - I think that this game is much closer than the one earlier in the season, but New Orleans just has too many weapons.
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Cody Parkey showed up on the Today show this morning.
http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/bears-kicker-cody-parkey-appeared-on-today-show-and-it-was-weird/xug11u3nukeg1h0p6snomjix0
I can't quite figure out why, but it sure sounds like the people who interviewed him had never seen a football game before: "'I think they should have MHPs. Most Honorable Player,' host Savannah Guthrie said about Parkey, adding he was the 'the classiest of class acts.'"
So...missing a kick and then praying makes one "honorable" and "classy"?
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I went 1-3 in the Wild Card round. Let's see if I can go 0-4!
6. Indianapolis @ 1. Kansas City - Mahomes out-does Luck and the Chiefs finally get past the divisional round and advance to the AFC Championship for the first time since some dude name Joe was QB.
4. Dallas @ 2. L.A. Rams - This looks like a toss-up on paper, but like the Chiefs, I expect the Rams to get back on track and win by 10 or so points.
5. L.A. Chargers @ 2. New England - Don't care that the Chargers are undefeated outside of LA. New England is New England, and we know what to expect from this team coming off of that bye week.
6. Philadelphia @ 1. New Orleans - I think that this game is much closer than the one earlier in the season, but New Orleans just has too many weapons.
With those picks, I'm predicting 1-3 again. But who knows? :lol This is set to be a pretty good divisional round.
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I went 1-3 in the Wild Card round. Let's see if I can go 0-4!
6. Indianapolis @ 1. Kansas City - Mahomes out-does Luck and the Chiefs finally get past the divisional round and advance to the AFC Championship for the first time since some dude name Joe was QB.
4. Dallas @ 2. L.A. Rams - This looks like a toss-up on paper, but like the Chiefs, I expect the Rams to get back on track and win by 10 or so points.
5. L.A. Chargers @ 2. New England - Don't care that the Chargers are undefeated outside of LA. New England is New England, and we know what to expect from this team coming off of that bye week.
6. Philadelphia @ 1. New Orleans - I think that this game is much closer than the one earlier in the season, but New Orleans just has too many weapons.
I too went 1-3, and have the exact same picks as you.
I'd be happy with 1-3 as long as I'm right about the Colts losing
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The only road win that would surprise me is Philly. The other three teams are all capable of an upset.
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I went 2-2 in the DTF Pick 'em league, even though I could've sworn that I picked Dallas... I was on the fence with that game and I ultimately would've gone with Dallas, but I forgot to update the pick :lol
This week I'm going with...
Chiefs
Cowboys
Chargers
Saints
I'd love to be wrong about the Chiefs and Saints picks.
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In a point spread contest I am doing with a couple friends, I took all four dogs and the points this weekend, but the only one I am really confident about is Dallas, who I think will win outright tonight against the Rams.
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I was also 1-3 last weekend, and could be the same this weekend, taking the Irsays, Rams, Patriots, and Saints. The first three can go either way, depending on how good ol' momentum swings. The Saints just have to not press if the score isn't 35-7 after three quarters (which so many think will be the case).
'Mark 'em in stone' predictions: 500 needless close ups of coaches with/without the play sheet in front of their mouths (or Belichick with no emotion), 500 needless close ups of the QBs on and off the field, about a thousand needless replays (often I don't need any after a play much less three), a gazillion different camera changes, maybe a dozen or so times that I will get to see the personnel changes made between plays, the volume for the CBS broadcast almost non existent (since the Ravens are out) so that we don't have to listen to the overexcited ramblings of a 12 year old, and a continued appreciation for Buck and Aikman because of less over talking.
As to officiating and challenges and......well, that's also a constant. No need to continue ranting more of the obvious.
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In a point spread contest I am doing with a couple friends, I took all four dogs and the points this weekend, but the only one I am really confident about is Dallas, who I think will win outright tonight against the Rams.
I'm heading down to Atlantic City tonight for a concert, but realized that sports betting is legal now and I'm wondering if I could go place some bets down there today. I'm guessing I can, but now I am starting to think, what's the best bet? Dallas are 7 point underdogs, that does look like a decent bet. I'm not against the idea of throwing down a 50 on it although it kind of sickens me to then root for Dallas :lol
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Funny you say that because I am considering throwing down some money on Dallas and the points tonight as well. I have only bet on two games vs the spread in the last 20 years (NE over Seattle in SB 49 and then Pittsburgh over TB in week 3 this season) and this might end up being the third.
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Funny you say that because I am considering throwing down some money on Dallas and the points tonight as well. I have only bet on two games vs the spread in the last 20 years (NE over Seattle in SB 49 and then Pittsburgh over TB in week 3 this season) and this might end up being the third.
I picked LA outright, but my hunch is that it'll either be a close game or Dallas pulls the upset. Dallas +7 was a no-brainer.
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Yea, definitely going to throw some money on Dallas in a bit now that I just got to AC
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Football Gods: Well, you know, we usually don't let the Chiefs get past this point. Haven't in well over twenty years.
Patrick Mahomes: What the fuck does that have to do with me?
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Whelp....if the Colts are as good as many have been saying.. we've got to give a lot of credit to the KC defense. They certainly stepped it up.
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Great win by KC. Their defense was coached well; I lost track of how many teams a defender got their hands up and tipped a pass at the line.
I expect tonight's game to be a nail-biter, for fans of both teams. It's rare I root for the Cowboys, but Stan Kroenke and the Rams can eat shit.
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I haven't watched any regular season football this year and only started watching during the playoffs, I wouldn't even know who to pick to win by nothing other than winning record. Last week the games were great and I thought for sure the Colts would make the Chiefs choke again but my goodness that Chiefs team were a beast of a team. As were the Rams tonight. I'm going to imagine tomorrow's game will follow the same pattern and should be another exciting day of playoff football.
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Rams baby!!! Woooooo :metal
Bonehead moves by Dallas at the end. Down by 9 with 2 mins left. Go for 2 and on-side kick! Come on man!
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Eh, let's hope tomorrow's game are better and more competitive than today's.
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Rams baby!!! Woooooo :metal
Bonehead moves by Dallas at the end. Down by 9 with 2 mins left. Go for 2 and on-side kick! Come on man!
Going for 2 in that situation is suicide. You miss and it's instantly a two-possession game. The Cowboys still had all three timeouts so the onside wasn't critical plus I heard that onsides are now not even half as successful as they used to be due to the new rules (can't have all your dudes lined up on one side of the kicker.)
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Going for 2 in that situation is suicide. You miss and it's instantly a two-possession game. The Cowboys still had all three timeouts so the onside wasn't critical plus I heard that onsides are now not even half as successful as they used to be due to the new rules (can't have all your dudes lined up on one side of the kicker.)
Agreed. Jason Garrett is a doofus at times, but kicking the XP and then kicking it deep was the right move there. Taking out their stud rookie LB on the critical 3rd down after that was not. So dumb.
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OK I can see the no 2-pointer. But how was that the "right move" giving the ball to a team that's been running over yours all night, plus had NO 3-and-outs??? THAT'S suicide in my book.
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OK I can see the no 2-pointer. But how was that the "right move" giving the ball to a team that's been running over yours all night, plus had NO 3-and-outs??? THAT'S suicide in my book.
The theory is, in a nutshell, field position. You have three time outs, you kick the ball deep, trust your defense and get the ball back in decent position with one of your time outs still in hand. Considering the stats for successful onside kicks, these days, I agree this was the best strategy.
The bolded is where this breaks down for the Cowboys.
It's rare I root for the Cowboys, but Stan Kroenke and the Rams can eat shit.
What's with all the hostility? :lol
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Well to be fair ....they didn't try to kick it deep. They tried to beam one of the front row plebs.....and it grazed him.....just didn't hit him enough for the desired effect.
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Fucking cowboys, I'll leave it at that
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Game time.
Hearts pulling for the road teams. Mind tells me the home teams prevail.
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Chargers defense has their heads up their asses already. NE killing them with rinky dink passes that turn into big gains already. Play man and make them beat you over the top.
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And there's the iffy PI call that gives NE 7 (both guys were using their hands). :\
I'll turn the TV back on for the late game.
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Brady still not making the right reads. And he hasn't even been pressured. On the 2nd & 5 incompletion to Edelman, he had Michel wide open down the seem for a TD.
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I picked NE largely on the basis of a critical fumble by Rivers. We'll see how that goes, but rigged game or not that was a good drive from the Patriots.
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Um..you can turn your TV back on, Kev!
EDIT: Nevermind.. :lol
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Right now the MVPs are McDaniels and Flores. Gameplans on both sides of the ball have been excellent.
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Hell of a start. Finish this.
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What a disappointment so far... Chargers defense is playing like trash :tdwn Pats look great though.
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IMO, the Rams are vastly superior to the Cowboys on both sides of the ball, and about the only area where they're even is at the RB position. Whether the Rams have any significant home-field advantage is debatable, but not having to travel is significant, as is having had the week off.
I do not agree. Dallas has a significantly better defense than the Rams, and I think Zeke will run all over the Rams. Despite having the best defensive player in the league and a bunch of stars, the Rams D has not gelled as a whole and was subpar for much of the season.
Like I said.
I dont see how the patriots win this game.
And now you know.
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So much for an all LA SB ::) :loser:
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I’m done. As I said last week, neither team in the wild card game is good enough to beat New England. The Patriots rarely lose in the playoffs at home. Their game planning and discipline in these situations is just unmatched and you have to play a perfect game to beat them. The Chargers just don’t have that in them today, and most certainly not in this environment. Oh well. At least the AFC title game is in KC and not NE. Go Chiefs I guess.
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Excuse my French. Are you fucking kidding me?!
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This game is soooo boring.
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I can see why DT forums are quiet right now. The Patriots are playing and it seems likely that a large percentage of the members of this board are from that region. :lol
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This game is soooo boring.
The second half sure was. The first half was awesome.
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Hell of a start!
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Sometimes I can’t figure out why some players are liked and others aren’t. Take Rivers. All I’ve ever seen him do is yell at his receivers and whine for flags. How is that likable?
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I was just going to post that this last drive should be interesting, but then....
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I don't even know why they snapped it. But that was all on Jeffery. A damn shame. Magic denied.
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I don't even know why they snapped it. But that was all on Jeffery. A damn shame. Magic denied.
Yeah, I was shocked they hiked it before the 2 minute warning.
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Not sure if that means you are picking the home teams because home field advantage plays a role, or just because you think they are better. But I will say that when it comes to home field advantage, I really don't think the Rams have anything other than just not having to travel.
IMO, the Rams are vastly superior to the Cowboys on both sides of the ball, and about the only area where they're even is at the RB position. Whether the Rams have any significant home-field advantage is debatable, but not having to travel is significant, as is having had the week off.
I can't see the Chargers winning two straight road playoff games on the east coast. In the Belichick/Brady era, the only time the Patriots have lost in the divisional round was that fluke 2011 game against Mark Sanchez and the Jets.
The Saints are miles better than the Eagles, and the week off and home-field advantage only helps that.
As mentioned, the only game where I feel like the road team has a decent shot at winning is the Chiefs v. Colts game, and that's only because the Colts have been riding so high and the Chiefs have a history of playoff disappointment.
Not that this has any real predictive value, but in the last seven seasons since Green Bay won Super Bowl 45 as a #6 seed (in 2011, following the 2010 season), no wild card teams have made the Super Bowl, and only one (San Francisco in 2013-14) has even made it past the divisional round.
The Saints v. Eagles game was closer than I would have expected, and I thought the Colts and Chargers would play better, but this weekend played out pretty much exactly like I expected as far as the results go. The divisional round has been quite dull for the last few years. Getting a home game and a week off is a HUGE advantage.
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So after a month of drama we're getting the final four that everybody saw coming all the way back in October.
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The Saints, Rams and Chiefs we're clearly the top 3 teams in the league this year....and the Pats are the Pats. No surprises in this year's final 4
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Once the Pats clinched a first round bye, their spot in the final four was basically secured as well. They just don’t lose at home in the playoffs after a week off. The only time New England has ever lost before the conference championship with a first round bye in the Brady/Belicheck era was the 2010 season against a then very talented Jets team (man if only we could have kept it going).
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I didn't think the Pats winning was in any way guaranteed today. No one was hotter than the Chargers, except, maybe the Colts. Both turned into pumpkins this weekend.
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Can't wait for an entire week of 90% of the talking heads saying why the Saints won't be able to keep up with a team they already beat by 10 who'll be missing a WR that was hugely responsible for why it was even that close all because they struggled against a 6 seed that everyone just spent 2 weeks crowning as the 1A seed of the NFC due to the return of a tried-and-true QB they don't even trust enough to give the full time starting spot.
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That's a long fucking sentence, man.
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As others have already mentioned, I expected a lot more from the Colts and Chargers. I expected the Saints and Rams to win, but I was completely off with both AFC games.
Sometimes I can’t figure out why some players are liked and others aren’t. Take Rivers. All I’ve ever seen him do is yell at his receivers and whine for flags. How is that likable?
I remember watching a game between the Chargers and Broncos many years ago. The camera kept flashing to him yelling at Jay Cutler from the sideline. I got the impression that he was taunting him and acting like a cunt, and I've seen him that way in my mind ever since.
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IMO, the Rams are vastly superior to the Cowboys on both sides of the ball, and about the only area where they're even is at the RB position. Whether the Rams have any significant home-field advantage is debatable, but not having to travel is significant, as is having had the week off.
I do not agree. Dallas has a significantly better defense than the Rams, and I think Zeke will run all over the Rams. Despite having the best defensive player in the league and a bunch of stars, the Rams D has not gelled as a whole and was subpar for much of the season.
Like I said.
What can I say...I was dead wrong about that game, but who in the hell saw the Rams rushing for 275 yards against the Dallas defense coming??
Sometimes I can’t figure out why some players are liked and others aren’t. Take Rivers. All I’ve ever seen him do is yell at his receivers and whine for flags. How is that likable?
I remember watching a game between the Chargers and Broncos many years ago. The camera kept flashing to him yelling at Jay Cutler from the sideline. I got the impression that he was taunting him and acting like a cunt, and I've seen him that way in my mind ever since.
Find me a QB who wouldn't have been pissed today watching his defense play like that in a playoff game.
Besides, whenever you see close-ups of Rivers trash talking and taunting, you can tell he is doing it in a fun and good-natured way. I used to hate Rivers thinking he was a loud mouthed trash talker, but once it became evident how cool he is about and whatnot, I came around to liking him.
Can't wait for an entire week of 90% of the talking heads saying why the Saints won't be able to keep up with a team they already beat by 10 who'll be missing a WR that was hugely responsible for why it was even that close all because they struggled against a 6 seed that everyone just spent 2 weeks crowning as the 1A seed of the NFC due to the return of a tried-and-true QB they don't even trust enough to give the full time starting spot.
Well said, although it is worth pointing out that the Saints offense has come way back down to earth since that 45-35 win over the Rams. It's hard to know which Rams team will show up, but if last night's does, the Saints could be in real trouble.
Both games should be close next week.
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What can I say...I was dead wrong about that game, but who in the hell saw the Rams rushing for 275 yards against the Dallas defense coming??
This is the same defense that could be "trusted" to stop the Rams from running out the clock at the end? :lol
Like I said.
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This is the same defense that could be "trusted" to stop the Rams from running out the clock at the end? :lol
Like I said.
Forcing a 3 and out was still far more likely than recovering an onside kick (which is nearly impossible now, thanks to the new rules).
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This is the same defense that could be "trusted" to stop the Rams from running out the clock at the end? :lol
Like I said.
Forcing a 3 and out was still far more likely than recovering an onside kick (which is nearly impossible now, thanks to the new rules).
Yeah, we got a taste of how lame on-side kicks are in the early game, today. I think that Jim Nantz mentioned that the percentage of success has dropped from 20% to around 8% with the new rules. The Cowboys made the right decision by kicking it deep.
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2 amazing match ups next weekend and I think regardless of the outcome the Super Bowl is going to have a great match up too.
NE @ KC- I would love nothing more than for the Chiefs to make it back to the Super Bowl. KC's defense have been playing really well at home and if they can get pressure from their D-Line like they did against Indy they have chance. It's going to be freaking cold next weekend and I think that benefits the Pats a bit. I've got to pick my Chiefs but this is a coin flip.
LAR @ NO- Another coin flip. I'd love a Chiefs/Rams Super Bowl but I think the Saints take this at home. The Rams defense is going to cost them and the Saints take it at home.
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This game is soooo boring.
All the games were boring. None of the road teams showed up. I was expecting some upsets and got nothing but the same old predictable NFL. :\
Now the only thing left is hoping the Pats don't make it to the SB....AGAIN!
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This game is soooo boring.
All the games were boring. None of the road teams showed up. I was expecting some upsets and got nothing but the same old predictable NFL. :\
Now the only thing left is hoping the Pats don't make it to the SB....AGAIN!
Eagles showed up. Not sure what you were watching.
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That game was odd. Philly dominated early, as the Saints looked lethargic after not playing a real game in three weeks (they basically took week 17 off and then had a bye), but once they got it together in the 2nd quarter, the rest of the game wasn't even close and Philly was fortunate to only lose by 6. That 11-minute drive in the 3rd quarter was something else.
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Pats looked strong out the gate. That was vintage Belichick, right there, and I imagine that it was lost on 95% of fans. I know Rivers has had a number of good comebacks, but they're of a pattern; the team played well and found themselves down. This wasn't that. They were out-gunned, out-hustled, out-hit, out-MANNED for most of the game, and you saw my biggest criticism about Rivers (and I'm sure Belichick knew this): he cracks. I'm convinced Belichick said "we come out hard, and quick, knock them out of their rhythm, and we have this game." He even took the kickoff and didn't defer as he does 105% of the time. Sure enough, it wasn't midway through the third quarter and Rivers was already throwing his line and his receivers under the bus. After one sack, he was seen screaming at someone "what fuck are you doing? What the FUCK are you doing?". There was nothing that I saw that rose up to "good-natured" or "fun". He got his ass kicked, literally (Belichick didn't look even the slightest bit bothered by the two roughing the passer penalties, whereas you can generally see his liver hardening over false starts and holding penalties) and metaphorically, and it showed.
Contrast that with Foles, who, after the season ending interception, likely his last pass for the Eagles, went right up to Jeffries and hugged him, metaphorically taking some of the responsibility from him and putting it on his own shoulders. I hate the Eagles with a passion, but wherever Foles goes next year (New York, NEW YORK!) I will be a fan. He's a quality player, and a class act up, down and sideways. I'd even ask; if you're Philly do you keep Foles and trade Wentz? Devil you know....
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According to what I read, the Saints are favored by 3.5, and the Chiefs are favored by 3. My understanding is that home field alone is worth 3 points, so these games are basically "pick 'em" games.
For the sake of picking, I'll go with the Rams and the Chiefs, but both games are basically coin flips for me.
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Pats looked strong out the gate. That was vintage Belichick, right there, and I imagine that it was lost on 95% of fans. I know Rivers has had a number of good comebacks, but they're of a pattern; the team played well and found themselves down. This wasn't that. They were out-gunned, out-hustled, out-hit, out-MANNED for most of the game, and you saw my biggest criticism about Rivers (and I'm sure Belichick knew this): he cracks. I'm convinced Belichick said "we come out hard, and quick, knock them out of their rhythm, and we have this game." He even took the kickoff and didn't defer as he does 105% of the time. Sure enough, it wasn't midway through the third quarter and Rivers was already throwing his line and his receivers under the bus. After one sack, he was seen screaming at someone "what fuck are you doing? What the FUCK are you doing?". There was nothing that I saw that rose up to "good-natured" or "fun". He got his ass kicked, literally (Belichick didn't look even the slightest bit bothered by the two roughing the passer penalties, whereas you can generally see his liver hardening over false starts and holding penalties) and metaphorically, and it showed.
Contrast that with Foles, who, after the season ending interception, likely his last pass for the Eagles, went right up to Jeffries and hugged him, metaphorically taking some of the responsibility from him and putting it on his own shoulders. I hate the Eagles with a passion, but wherever Foles goes next year (New York, NEW YORK!) I will be a fan. He's a quality player, and a class act up, down and sideways. I'd even ask; if you're Philly do you keep Foles and trade Wentz? Devil you know....
Most predictable post ever.
The Chargers defense gets taken to the woodshed for 35 points in the first half by an aging QB with limited weapons...and your post is all about Philip Rivers. :lol :lol
I will repeat what I said yesterday: find me a QB who wouldn't have been pissed watching his defense play like that in a playoff game.
But yeah, when Tom Brady yells and screams (yes, he does that sometimes), it is because he is fiery and competitive, but when Rivers does it, it is because he is cracking. :rollin :rollin
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Pats looked strong out the gate. That was vintage Belichick, right there, and I imagine that it was lost on 95% of fans. I know Rivers has had a number of good comebacks, but they're of a pattern; the team played well and found themselves down. This wasn't that. They were out-gunned, out-hustled, out-hit, out-MANNED for most of the game, and you saw my biggest criticism about Rivers (and I'm sure Belichick knew this): he cracks. I'm convinced Belichick said "we come out hard, and quick, knock them out of their rhythm, and we have this game." He even took the kickoff and didn't defer as he does 105% of the time. Sure enough, it wasn't midway through the third quarter and Rivers was already throwing his line and his receivers under the bus. After one sack, he was seen screaming at someone "what fuck are you doing? What the FUCK are you doing?". There was nothing that I saw that rose up to "good-natured" or "fun". He got his ass kicked, literally (Belichick didn't look even the slightest bit bothered by the two roughing the passer penalties, whereas you can generally see his liver hardening over false starts and holding penalties) and metaphorically, and it showed.
Contrast that with Foles, who, after the season ending interception, likely his last pass for the Eagles, went right up to Jeffries and hugged him, metaphorically taking some of the responsibility from him and putting it on his own shoulders. I hate the Eagles with a passion, but wherever Foles goes next year (New York, NEW YORK!) I will be a fan. He's a quality player, and a class act up, down and sideways. I'd even ask; if you're Philly do you keep Foles and trade Wentz? Devil you know....
Most predictable post ever.
The Chargers defense gets taken to the woodshed for 35 points in the first half by an aging QB with limited weapons...and your post is all about Philip Rivers. :lol :lol
I will repeat what I said yesterday: find me a QB who wouldn't have been pissed watching his defense play like that in a playoff game.
But yeah, when Tom Brady yells and screams (yes, he does that sometimes), it is because he is fiery and competitive, but when Rivers does it, it is because he is cracking. :rollin :rollin
Eli Manning, or at least not make his anger visible to his team and since those guys are often compared. One that actually has wins against Tom Brady.
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When Brady throws a tantrum it's far more often directed at himself. He'll call out other players, but it's not normally the ranting and raving we saw from Rivers. I'll make it perfectly clear I'm fine with players being pissed off, either at themselves or their teammates. I've defended Brady and I'll defend Rivers for yesterday. But I couldn't help thinking that he was coming completely unglued yesterday.
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Eli Manning, or at least not make his anger visible to his team and since those guys are often compared. One that actually has wins against Tom Brady.
You mean against the Patriots, right? Because even though it is fun to talk about when QB A plays QB B, like they are the ones who do it all, it is ultimately a team game. Let's put it this way: I only saw the first quarter or so of yesterday's game (but all reports say it was the same throughout), but if Rivers had all day to throw, receivers running open left and right, and an opposing defense with a terrible game plan, and then Brady had little time to throw, not a lot of guys getting open, and an opposing defense that was very well-prepared, who do you think would win?
Long story short: Belichick is the GOAT by a wide margin and yesterday was just confirmation that he deserves the lion's share of the credit for the Patriots dynasty.
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Pats looked strong out the gate. That was vintage Belichick, right there, and I imagine that it was lost on 95% of fans. I know Rivers has had a number of good comebacks, but they're of a pattern; the team played well and found themselves down. This wasn't that. They were out-gunned, out-hustled, out-hit, out-MANNED for most of the game, and you saw my biggest criticism about Rivers (and I'm sure Belichick knew this): he cracks. I'm convinced Belichick said "we come out hard, and quick, knock them out of their rhythm, and we have this game." He even took the kickoff and didn't defer as he does 105% of the time. Sure enough, it wasn't midway through the third quarter and Rivers was already throwing his line and his receivers under the bus. After one sack, he was seen screaming at someone "what fuck are you doing? What the FUCK are you doing?". There was nothing that I saw that rose up to "good-natured" or "fun". He got his ass kicked, literally (Belichick didn't look even the slightest bit bothered by the two roughing the passer penalties, whereas you can generally see his liver hardening over false starts and holding penalties) and metaphorically, and it showed.
Contrast that with Foles, who, after the season ending interception, likely his last pass for the Eagles, went right up to Jeffries and hugged him, metaphorically taking some of the responsibility from him and putting it on his own shoulders. I hate the Eagles with a passion, but wherever Foles goes next year (New York, NEW YORK!) I will be a fan. He's a quality player, and a class act up, down and sideways. I'd even ask; if you're Philly do you keep Foles and trade Wentz? Devil you know....
Most predictable post ever.
The Chargers defense gets taken to the woodshed for 35 points in the first half by an aging QB with limited weapons...and your post is all about Philip Rivers. :lol :lol
I will repeat what I said yesterday: find me a QB who wouldn't have been pissed watching his defense play like that in a playoff game.
But yeah, when Tom Brady yells and screams (yes, he does that sometimes), it is because he is fiery and competitive, but when Rivers does it, it is because he is cracking. :rollin :rollin
One, it's the part of Brady I like least, so you don't get "competitive" from me, and second, he wins. I'm a much bigger fan of Belichick's unemotional, you do your job or you don't, it's that simply approach. And three, I'll take "Most Predictable Post" every time. I'm nothing if not consistent. :)
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Eli Manning, or at least not make his anger visible to his team and since those guys are often compared. One that actually has wins against Tom Brady.
You mean against the Patriots, right? Because even though it is fun to talk about when QB A plays QB B, like they are the ones who do it all, it is ultimately a team game. Let's put it this way: I only saw the first quarter or so of yesterday's game (but all reports say it was the same throughout), but if Rivers had all day to throw, receivers running open left and right, and an opposing defense with a terrible game plan, and then Brady had little time to throw, not a lot of guys getting open, and an opposing defense that was very well-prepared, who do you think would win?
Long story short: Belichick is the GOAT by a wide margin and yesterday was just confirmation that he deserves the lion's share of the credit for the Patriots dynasty.
You have to have both a great coach and a great QB to have this kind of run. Every dynasty has had this combo.
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They were out-gunned, out-hustled, out-hit, out-MANNED for most of the game,
Also out-planned, and if they ever accidentally had 10 men on the defense, which happens sometimes, out-numbered as well.
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Cowherd is a HUGE Tom Brady fan and even he last week had a good breakdown of how much luckier Brady has been than Rivers when it comes to coaching, city you play in, franchise you play for, etc., and how different their careers would have been if you swapped their teams.
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Oh shit, if only Steve Grogan played for Bill Walsh and threw to Jerry Rice....
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Exactly!! :lol :lol
I actually wonder how good of an NFL QB Steve McNair could have been had he not spent almost all of it with the offensive doofus that was Jeff Fisher.
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Eli Manning, or at least not make his anger visible to his team and since those guys are often compared. One that actually has wins against Tom Brady.
You mean against the Patriots, right? Because even though it is fun to talk about when QB A plays QB B, like they are the ones who do it all, it is ultimately a team game. Let's put it this way: I only saw the first quarter or so of yesterday's game (but all reports say it was the same throughout), but if Rivers had all day to throw, receivers running open left and right, and an opposing defense with a terrible game plan, and then Brady had little time to throw, not a lot of guys getting open, and an opposing defense that was very well-prepared, who do you think would win?
Long story short: Belichick is the GOAT by a wide margin and yesterday was just confirmation that he deserves the lion's share of the credit for the Patriots dynasty.
0-8, sure it's more than just the QBs, but there a lot of data on Rivers not being able to win against the Patriots that maybe it DOES have something to do with the QB? Either way, that was not my point. I was just answering your own question and I stand by it still.
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Can't remember which of the commentators mentioned at the very start of the game that the Chargers defensive scheme did not match up well against the Patriots offensive style. Boy they were right.
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Cowherd is a HUGE Tom Brady fan and even he last week had a good breakdown of how much luckier Brady has been than Rivers when it comes to coaching, city you play in, franchise you play for, etc., and how different their careers would have been if you swapped their teams.
I was pondering last night what the outcome would have been if Belichick had Brees rather than Brady. I think we'd have an even better GOAT.
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I think it's presumptuous to think that any QB can be dropped into the system and you'd get that kind of performance or time. Maybe for a season or two, but over the better part of two decades? Yeah, Belichick is the man behind the curtain, but he can do what he does in part BECAUSE of Brady. There ARE things that Brady does that few if any other QBs can do on a regular, consistent basis. This year excluded, you don't see Brady heaving up balls for grabs. You don't see him floating balls back across the field. You don't see him taking unnecessary hits in the open field. You don't see him losing his shit in the huddle.
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In a point spread contest I am doing with a couple friends, I took all four dogs and the points this weekend, but the only one I am really confident about is Dallas, who I think will win outright tonight against the Rams.
You chose........Poorly.... :biggrin: I was shaking my head all week listening to all the idiot talking heads completely discounting the Rams. Also NONE of them talking about the 2 headed monster of Gurley and CJ. I mean why would they? CJ had just rushed for 299yds in 2 games prior to Saturdays game. :lol
Can't wait for an entire week of 90% of the talking heads saying why the Saints won't be able to keep up with a team they already beat by 10 who'll be missing a WR that was hugely responsible for why it was even that close all because they struggled against a 6 seed that everyone just spent 2 weeks crowning as the 1A seed of the NFC due to the return of a tried-and-true QB they don't even trust enough to give the full time starting spot.
Not sure why you think that? I figure it will be the reverse, just like last week when they said Dallas would paste us. It should be a helluva game. Our defense better show up! Losing Rankins might hurt you guys.
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In a point spread contest I am doing with a couple friends, I took all four dogs and the points this weekend, but the only one I am really confident about is Dallas, who I think will win outright tonight against the Rams.
You chose........Poorly.... :biggrin: I was shaking my head all week listening to all the idiot talking heads completely discounting the Rams. Also NONE of them talking about the 2 headed monster of Gurley and CJ. I mean why would they? CJ had just rushed for 299yds in 2 games prior to Saturdays game. :lol
Can't wait for an entire week of 90% of the talking heads saying why the Saints won't be able to keep up with a team they already beat by 10 who'll be missing a WR that was hugely responsible for why it was even that close all because they struggled against a 6 seed that everyone just spent 2 weeks crowning as the 1A seed of the NFC due to the return of a tried-and-true QB they don't even trust enough to give the full time starting spot.
Not sure why you think that? I figure it will be the reverse, just like last week when they said Dallas would paste us. It should be a helluva game. Our defense better show up! Losing Rankins my hurt you guys.
This could be my bias, but I think it's less "undervaluing the Rams", than it is "overvaluing the Cowboys". Look, it's unassailable: "Defense wins championships" and this is the first time, I believe, that the final four teams are in fact the four best offenses in the league. So now you go to the other side of the ball and start to look at who has the ability to change the game, and I think in that analysis it's NE and NO. It's not a knock against the Rams (though I am absolutely knocking the Chiefs, but my bias is clear and unabashed) but a falling back on standard wisdom of the NFL. Wisdom which, it should be acknowledged, may be out the window this year.
I think there is meaning in the fact that the NO and NE games both ended with a key interception, metaphorically taking the ball out of the hands of the offense that was threatening.
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I agree with most of what you said. While my Rams D has driven me frikken crazy most of the year, they have stepped up in more than a few games this year when it counted. Against the Saint they are definitly gonna need to bring their "A" game. One plus will be we will have Talib for this game, where we didn't in the earlier match up.
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Yeah, I didn't hear many people blowing off the Rams. They were favored because they were the better team. Thinking another team might beat them is not the same as thinking they suck. Brady was saying the same thing, yet the Pats were still the favorites.
And Talib might be a plus and he might be a liability. Usually it's the former, but you never know when he's due for a freakout.
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Home field is going to make all of the difference this weekend. The Chiefs defense has played significantly better at home and the Pat defense (and team as a whole) has played significantly worse on the road. Rams have also struggled on the road. Both are true coin flip games but this is why Home Field advantage in the playoffs is such a HUGE deal.
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Home field is going to make all of the difference this weekend. The Chiefs defense has played significantly better at home and the Pat defense (and team as a whole) has played significantly worse on the road. Rams have also struggled on the road. Both are true coin flip games but this is why Home Field advantage in the playoffs is such a HUGE deal.
I dunno if I would call 6-2 Rams road record struggling. But sure... you always wanna be at home!!!
And Talib might be a plus and he might be a liability. Usually it's the former, but you never know when he's due for a freakout.
Yeah.... like in this post game Goff interview.....wait for it.... :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1y569ZilEw
Talib is responding to earlier in the week when Demarcus Lawerence said he was gonna take Goff's soul..... :lol
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my bad... double post.. ;D
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I think it's presumptuous to think that any QB can be dropped into the system and you'd get that kind of performance or time. Maybe for a season or two, but over the better part of two decades? Yeah, Belichick is the man behind the curtain, but he can do what he does in part BECAUSE of Brady. There ARE things that Brady does that few if any other QBs can do on a regular, consistent basis. This year excluded, you don't see Brady heaving up balls for grabs. You don't see him floating balls back across the field. You don't see him taking unnecessary hits in the open field. You don't see him losing his shit in the huddle.
I actually agree with most of this.
I cringe every time I see quarterbacks who haven't figured out that it is not smart to take hits. Avoid the hit and live to play another down.
And while Brady is apparently been pissed that Belichick doesn't treat him with more respect than other players (it has been said that Belichick has no problem ripping Brady to shreds in front of the team if they are looking at film and he made a bad throw or read), I think that continues to help Brady. Being a 6th round draft pick, he has always played with a chip on his shoulder, and by riding his ass, Belichick keeps that chip there, and Brady plays better as a result.
In a point spread contest I am doing with a couple friends, I took all four dogs and the points this weekend, but the only one I am really confident about is Dallas, who I think will win outright tonight against the Rams.
You chose........Poorly.... :biggrin: I was shaking my head all week listening to all the idiot talking heads completely discounting the Rams. Also NONE of them talking about the 2 headed monster of Gurley and CJ. I mean why would they? CJ had just rushed for 299yds in 2 games prior to Saturdays game. :lol
CJ Anderson will always have a soft spot in my heart for the OT TD run against the Patriots that helped them seal the 1 seed in 2015 (that led to the Super Bowl win), but I am amazed at how productive he has been since arriving to the Rams considering how fat he looks. The Rams line was opening up such huge holes Saturday, I think I could have scored a touchdown. :lol :lol
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CJ Anderson will always have a soft spot in my heart for the OT TD run against the Patriots that helped them seal the 1 seed in 2015 (that led to the Super Bowl win), but I am amazed at how productive he has been since arriving to the Rams considering how fat he looks. The Rams line was opening up such huge holes Saturday, I think I could have scored a touchdown. :lol :lol
I was shocked to hear he was even available when Malcom Brown, then Gurley went down. He actually said post game that he was old and fat... :lol. And yeah, there were some pretty nice holes for him. In the cards and niners game though he ran over some people.
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This game is soooo boring.
All the games were boring. None of the road teams showed up. I was expecting some upsets and got nothing but the same old predictable NFL. :\
Now the only thing left is hoping the Pats don't make it to the SB....AGAIN!
Eagles showed up. Not sure what you were watching.
They showed up in the 1st Qtr and then got outscored 20-0. That isn't showing up. That's making an appearance and ducking out early. What were you watching?
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And while Brady is apparently been pissed that Belichick doesn't treat him with more respect than other players (it has been said that Belichick has no problem ripping Brady to shreds in front of the team if they are looking at film and he made a bad throw or read), I think that continues to help Brady. Being a 6th round draft pick, he has always played with a chip on his shoulder, and by riding his ass, Belichick keeps that chip there, and Brady plays better as a result.
Good point, and that's part of what I'm saying; Phil Simms has talked about this a lot. He HATED when Parcells rode him (and yet didn't seem to even bother with the cloud of hookers and blow that surrounded LT) but in hindsight he said that he wouldn't be the player he was or the man he is without Parcells. I feel like 10 years from now - you know, a year after Brady retires ;) - he'll be saying the same thing about Belichick.
Humans are motivated in different ways, and while Belichick isn't a god or perfect, I have to believe that with all the research and science that goes into the Patriots way, he knows at this point what buttons to push - and how hard - to make the thing work. You notice that some of the chatter about the Pats has calmed down over the past couple weeks? I think it's because cooler heads prevailed (and I also think it's because the new head coach has already been named).
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This game is soooo boring.
All the games were boring. None of the road teams showed up. I was expecting some upsets and got nothing but the same old predictable NFL. :\
Now the only thing left is hoping the Pats don't make it to the SB....AGAIN!
Eagles showed up. Not sure what you were watching.
They showed up in the 1st Qtr and then got outscored 20-0. That isn't showing up. That's making an appearance and ducking out early. What were you watching?
They lost by six. They were on a potential game winning drive until a Freak occurrence happened. Teams that dont show up don't have a chance to win that late in the game. Nice try though.
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And while Brady is apparently been pissed that Belichick doesn't treat him with more respect than other players (it has been said that Belichick has no problem ripping Brady to shreds in front of the team if they are looking at film and he made a bad throw or read), I think that continues to help Brady. Being a 6th round draft pick, he has always played with a chip on his shoulder, and by riding his ass, Belichick keeps that chip there, and Brady plays better as a result.
Good point, and that's part of what I'm saying; Phil Simms has talked about this a lot. He HATED when Parcells rode him (and yet didn't seem to even bother with the cloud of hookers and blow that surrounded LT) but in hindsight he said that he wouldn't be the player he was or the man he is without Parcells. I feel like 10 years from now - you know, a year after Brady retires ;) - he'll be saying the same thing about Belichick.
Humans are motivated in different ways, and while Belichick isn't a god or perfect, I have to believe that with all the research and science that goes into the Patriots way, he knows at this point what buttons to push - and how hard - to make the thing work. You notice that some of the chatter about the Pats has calmed down over the past couple weeks? I think it's because cooler heads prevailed (and I also think it's because the new head coach has already been named).
Some players really need that to be pushed to compete at their highest level.
This is going way back, but the relationship between Terry Bradshaw and Chuck Noll was very chilly to say the least. Noll rode his ass constantly, and Terry has been butt-hurt about it his entire life. However, the results speak for themselves. There's no way that team wins 4 of 6 if Chuck goes easy on him.
Then again, I don't think that would work well with every QB. I've never heard of Bill Walsh being a hard-ass with Joe Montana. I get the impression that he was probably very business-like with him, but not hard.
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Home field is going to make all of the difference this weekend. The Chiefs defense has played significantly better at home and the Pat defense (and team as a whole) has played significantly worse on the road. Rams have also struggled on the road. Both are true coin flip games but this is why Home Field advantage in the playoffs is such a HUGE deal.
Arrowhead and the Superdome are two of the most hostile environments for opposing teams in the league. When the Chiefs and Saints are good, those two stadiums are near impossible to win in as a road team. Here’s hoping that’s the case on Championship Sunday. I love the Rams but the Saints are one of my favorites. And I don’t think I have to mention how I feel about the Pats.
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Chiefs Rams super bowl.... calling it.
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Chiefs Rams super bowl.... calling it.
Woah, going out on a limb there! :P
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My preseason prediction of the Patriots and Rams is still in play. But having seen the season play out, I'd pick New Orleans to beat LA again in that dome
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Chiefs Rams super bowl.... calling it.
What a ratings disaster that would be! :lol I wouldn't even bother watching.
Pats v. Saints
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Pats v. Saints
That's what I think too, but I can see any combo of the four. Actually really good looking slate of games this weekend.
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Chiefs Rams super bowl.... calling it.
What a ratings disaster that would be! :lol I wouldn't even bother watching.
Pats v. Saints
They just have to hype it up as a rematch of the highest scoring MNF game ever.
I can see good storylines for every matchup honestly
Saints vs Pats: Two veteran QBs at the tail end of their careers, finally playing each other in the big game.
Saints vs Chiefs: Two offensive powerhouses. New Hotness vs Old But Not Busted
Rams vs Chiefs: Two young hot QBs who are the future of the NFL, in a rematch of a game that totaled 105 points.
Rams vs Pats: Another New Hotness vs Old but Not Busted, "Tonight a dynasty ends" (in reference to Ricky Proehl's quote "Tonight a dynasty begins", in which he unknowingly condemned the world to two decades of Patriot dominance)
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Chiefs Rams super bowl.... calling it.
What a ratings disaster that would be! :lol I wouldn't even bother watching.
Pats v. Saints
What, you're not going to tune in for the Maroon 5/Travis Scott halftime extravaganza?!
I have my DVR set, and I'm even wiring it up so I can download it onto my iPod when it's done. I'm sure it's going to be all live, and there will be nuggetz galore!
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Chiefs Rams super bowl.... calling it.
Woah, going out on a limb there! :P
Not like there are a lot of options or that ANY match up would be going out on a limb.
Rams vs Pats: Another New Hotness vs Old but Not Busted, "Tonight a dynasty ends" (in reference to Ricky Proehl's quote "Tonight a dynasty begins", in which he unknowingly condemned the world to two decades of Patriot dominance)
This would probably be the most compelling match up given how the Patriots' dynasty began. Not exactly a parallel situation, but pretty close.
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Watching the Rosman/Pederson presser and the reiterated that Carson Wentz is the QB moving forward. Expect Foles to explore free agency.
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Apparently Kubiak is headed to Minnesota. What the heck happened in Denver?
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It sounds like he and Elway/Fangio didn't share the same vision when it came to assembling the coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball. Kubiak wanted to bring some of the coaches back that were part of the 2015/2016 teams, and Elway wanted to move in a different direction. I'm disappointed that Kubiak is moving on, but I can't blame Elway for wanting to go a different direction, since the 2015/2016 Broncos offenses didn't exactly set the world on fire.
I'm really looking forward to the games this weekend. I'll be rooting for the Saints to win it all, but I'm also hoping the Patriots take care of business against the Chiefs. I was pretty impressed with how they embarrassed the Chargers last weekend as much as I don't like the Pats.
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Should have two good matchups this weekend, which in theory will lead to a good matchup in the Super Bowl.
And since the halftime show promises to be the worst in recent memory, I should have time to smoke a cigar then.
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And since the halftime show promises to be the worst in recent memory, I should have time to smoke a cigar then.
I never heard of Big Boi but certainly doesn't sound like must watch TV
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And since the halftime show promises to be the worst in recent memory, I should have time to smoke a cigar then.
I never heard of Big Boi but certainly doesn't sound like must watch TV
Seriously, how hard is it to get a good artist for this? Lady Gaga was amazing a couple of years ago. How about Metallica? How about Zac Brown? It is in Georgia. I don't know if this will ever match the travesty that was the Black Eyed Peas but I have 0 interest in watching Maroon 5 and some rappers.
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And since the halftime show promises to be the worst in recent memory, I should have time to smoke a cigar then.
I never heard of Big Boi but certainly doesn't sound like must watch TV
Seriously, how hard is it to get a good artist for this? Lady Gaga was amazing a couple of years ago. How about Metallica? How about Zac Brown? It is in Georgia. I don't know if this will ever match the travesty that was the Black Eyed Peas but I have 0 interest in watching Maroon 5 and some rappers.
I'm sure you know this, but they try to pick an act that will appeal to the most non-football watchers, as the football demographic will already be tuned in anyway.
I also heard that it was hard for the NFL to get other artists, as the ones that they invited declined due to the Kaepernick controversy. Even one of the rappers that agreed to the show only agreed to do it if the NFL donated $500,000 to his foundation for social justice.
I agree with you though, I have no interest in seeing Maroon 5.
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Maroon 5 is fine, I just don't even know who these other singers are (rappers i guess). But Maroon 5 isn't really "must watch" either but then again most of the half time shows aren't. Seems par for the course minus some unknown names to me.
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I have no interest in the halftime show. I've heard of Maroon 5 but don't know if I would recognize any of their songs. Don't know the other two performers.
I looked at the list of halftime acts at Wikipedia. I vaguely recall seeing some of Katy Perry's show, which was vaguely amusing but, while I actually like her voice and a couple of her songs, musically awful. I also vaguely recall some of Bruno Mars and thinking it was silly that, with 12 guys on stage, he basically sounded the same as the Police did with 3. Scrolling back into the mid-90s, the only non-crap act I saw was The Who. I have no recollection at all of watching that, though. The one that I might have to try and find is Super Bowl 29: Patti Labelle, Indiana Jones & Marion Ravenwood, Teddy Pendergrass, etc. Did "Indy" and "Marion" sing? I assume it was not actually Harrison Ford and Karen Allen. Seriously, WTF?!
The headliner at Super Bowl 23 was "Elvis Presto." I'm sure I was crying in my Orange Crush by halftime, so I'm sure I didn't watch.
At this point, it would be more enjoyable to bring back Up with People.
As for the game, I'm slightly pulling for the Chiefs to win it all, followed by the Rams, Saints and Patriots, but even a Saints v. Patriots match up will be entertaining.
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The only combination that wouldn't be entertaining to all is NE/LA. That would most likely be very similar to the last one, and defensive games aren't exactly popular for the SB audience. All other matchups would be high scoring affairs, and thus ratings bonanzas.
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The only combination that wouldn't be entertaining to all is NE/LA.
What be even more entertaining is watching Marshall Faulk poke his eyes out watching the lead up to the game.
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I'm hoping for LA/KC
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This weekend will be no different than last weekend. The home teams will be moving on and KC will win the SB.
This game is soooo boring.
All the games were boring. None of the road teams showed up. I was expecting some upsets and got nothing but the same old predictable NFL. :\
Now the only thing left is hoping the Pats don't make it to the SB....AGAIN!
Eagles showed up. Not sure what you were watching.
They showed up in the 1st Qtr and then got outscored 20-0. That isn't showing up. That's making an appearance and ducking out early. What were you watching?
They lost by six. They were on a potential game winning drive until a Freak occurrence happened. Teams that dont show up don't have a chance to win that late in the game. Nice try though.
Whatever makes you feel better. :lol :tup
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During NE's run of success, it's always the BB-Brady era. Seems like Josh McDaniels doesn't get enough credit, it's not like Brady is calling his own plays. What do you think NE fans?
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During NE's run of success, it's always the BB-Brady era. Seems like Josh McDaniels doesn't get enough credit, it's not like Brady is calling his own plays. What do you think NE fans?
The Patriots did alright while he was off in Denver/StL. As well as before he was OC. Having said that, his gameplan last Sunday was masterful. The dude does deserve a good deal of credit for their success.
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During NE's run of success, it's always the BB-Brady era. Seems like Josh McDaniels doesn't get enough credit, it's not like Brady is calling his own plays. What do you think NE fans?
The Patriots did alright while he was off in Denver/StL. As well as before he was OC. Having said that, his gameplan last Sunday was masterful. The dude does deserve a good deal of credit for their success.
He's also your next head coach. I think that speaks for his value to the team/organization.
(Yes I recognize that that's pure speculation on my part, but I think there are enough clues supporting the former to justify the latter.)
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I'm hoping for LA/KC
Why not have a repeat of the best game of the year? :biggrin: Although... some 2001 payback would be nice too!
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Taking NO and NE. Hope I'm wrong, especially about the Chiefs. They're my favorite of the final four, followed by the Rams then the Saints. But yeah
...anybody but the Pats
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Rams look like trash.
When does the next game start? :lol :lol
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We'll see if that fake punt gives the Rams a sustained spark.
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Rams look like trash.
When does the next game start? :lol :lol
Slow start for sure which was predictable given the location of the game.....but they're very much still in this game.
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Yep. The fake punt gave them some momentum, and the Rams D stiffened up late in the half.
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That was a big bomb to Ginn. The Rams DB cannot let that catch be made. Instead of going weakly for the interception, why not just bat the ball away? Stupid.
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How can they not call pass interference there. Crazy.
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I was rooting for the Rams....but that no call was complete BS.
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How can they not call pass interference there. Crazy.
Wow insane that didnt get a flag
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That's as egregious a no-call as I think any of us will ever see :lol
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If the Rams make a touchdown, there's going t9 be a ton of pissed off Saints fans.
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Wow man....total disbelief at that one.
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How can they not call pass interference there. Crazy.
Wow insane that didnt get a flag
No shit!
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There was absolutely contact before the ball got there on that. That said, can it be a catchable ball if the receiver never looked for the pass? Looks like he lowers his shoulder and just runs into the defender without any attempt to look for or catch a ball, I'm fine with no call.
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Clutch kick!
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Terrible non-call, but Payton needs to shut up and quit bitching about it to the officials, and focus on the matter at hand.
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There was absolutely contact before the ball got there on that. That said, can it be a catchable ball if the receiver never looked for the pass? Looks like he lowers his shoulder and just runs into the defender without any attempt to look for or catch a ball, I'm fine with no call.
Regardless of whether the receiver was looking for it, the *placement* of the ball was going to be right on the money. But the receiver never got there because he got drilled WAY before the ball got there. That is PI no matter how you look at it.
I understand not calling PI for a non-catchable ball. But that WAS NOT this play.
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Yeah, definitely seen a heck of a lot less called.
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There was absolutely contact before the ball got there on that. That said, can it be a catchable ball if the receiver never looked for the pass? Looks like he lowers his shoulder and just runs into the defender without any attempt to look for or catch a ball, I'm fine with no call.
Regardless of whether the receiver was looking for it, the *placement* of the ball was going to be right on the money. But the receiver never got there because he got drilled WAY before the ball got there. That is PI no matter how you look at it.
I understand not calling PI for a non-catchable ball. But that WAS NOT this play.
The receiver never tried to get anywhere for a ball because he never went for the ball. He was equally responsible for the contact as the defender.
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The receiver never tried to get anywhere for a ball because he never went for the ball. He was equally responsible for the contact as the defender.
You serious, Clark?
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The receiver never tried to get anywhere for a ball because he never went for the ball. He was equally responsible for the contact as the defender.
You serious, Clark?
Ya....I defended the famous "fail mary" because of the way the rule is written. But not even I would defend this blown call. This was much worse.
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The receiver never tried to get anywhere for a ball because he never went for the ball. He was equally responsible for the contact as the defender.
You serious, Clark?
Ya....I defended the famous "fail mary" because of the way the rule is written. But not even I would defend this blown call. This was much worse.
I'm not even going to see it wasn't a penalty as the rule is written, it likely was, but frankly the Saints receiver didn't go for the ball and instead tries to run a defender for a flag then he doesn't deserve anything in his favor anyway.
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Clutch kick!
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Saints got screwed.
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Hell of a game....thanks to the 2.5 Rams fans on the forum!
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What an utter farce.
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And Black Floyd returns in 5. . .4. . .3
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Here it is, dude is literally looking the ball into his hands...
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Saints got screwed.
Just horrid. Utterly unreal that call was missed which allowed the Rams to tie, then win it. It’s one thing if it was questionable.......but that painfully obvious was BS
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My feelings before the game remain unchanged after, go whoever wins the AFC game!
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Bad missed call, but a good game nonetheless.
Also the Packers have the Saints 1st round pick, so that moves up a couple of spots.
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Nick, remind me to never go to whoever did your Lasik :P
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And Black Floyd returns in 5. . .4. . .3
Yeah that will be epic....
And yes.....a Terrible, game altering call for sure
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Wow, I was completely wrong, but let me explain what the hell happened in my head and hopefully people will see what I was thinking.
For whatever reason as I was replaying it in my head I saw the Rams player as the receiver and the Saints player as the defender. I don't know what kind of dyslexia was happening, but I just had things backwards in my head.
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Nick's retraction made this post unnecessary.
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I feel bad for Saints fans, Drew Brees and the Saints team, but not for Sean Payton. Yes, that call was horrendous, but he was melting down after that, and you have to compose yourself if you are a head coach. Payton unraveled and the team followed right along.
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Wow, I was completely wrong, but let me explain what the hell happened in my head and hopefully people will see what I was thinking.
For whatever reason as I was replaying it in my head I saw the Rams player as the receiver and the Saints player as the defender. I don't know what kind of dyslexia was happening, but I just had things backwards in my head.
:rollin
Best backpedalling ever ;)
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Nick, thankfully you reconsidered. That non call was horrific.
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At least Nick realized his mistake and admitted it.
Not everyone can be like TAC, who still refuses to admit that he was and is wrong about Damn Yankees. :P
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That was just complete garbage :tdwn I haven't seen a team get screwed that badly in a game of that magnitude since the Raiders did in the tuck rule game.
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Damn Yankees blew for all of the talent they had. :P
And speaking of bad TAC takes, here's another one that I've mentioned before...
They were robbed, and they did have a good season. But I still maintain that Peyton and Brees are overrated. Moreso Peyton than Brees (who I do think is pretty good), but everyone thinks so highly of them, yet this was only their third Conference Championship game. And before this season, they only have a 9-7 season average.
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That was just complete garbage :tdwn I haven't seen a team get screwed that badly in a game of that magnitude since the Raiders did in the tuck rule game.
I was thinking more like the Steelers/Seahawks Super Bowl.
They were robbed, and they did have a good season. But I still maintain that Peyton and Brees are overrated. Moreso Peyton than Brees (who I do think is pretty good), but everyone thinks so highly of them, yet this was only their third Conference Championship game. And before this season, they only have a 9-7 season average.
Definitely a bad take. :lol
Between the Beast Mode Run, the Minnesota Miracle and now today, Drew Brees has had some really unlucky playoff losses.
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happy for Rams fans in LA given the Rams they cheered for have not been to a Super Bowl since 1980 (unless they stayed fans when they went with Kurt Warner, but based on that, Cleveland Browns fans would have been rooting for those 2 Super Bowls the Baltimore Ravens won).
I don't hate the Saints, and in some ways feel bad for Drew Brees and their fans as with Brees, this may have been his last chance at another SB; but am kind of happy that Sean Payton isn't in the SB again.
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That was just complete garbage :tdwn I haven't seen a team get screwed that badly in a game of that magnitude since the Raiders did in the tuck rule game.
I was thinking more like the Steelers/Seahawks Super Bowl.
They were robbed, and they did have a good season. But I still maintain that Peyton and Brees are overrated. Moreso Peyton than Brees (who I do think is pretty good), but everyone thinks so highly of them, yet this was only their third Conference Championship game. And before this season, they only have a 9-7 season average.
Definitely a bad take. :lol
Between the Beast Mode Run, the Minnesota Miracle and now today, Drew Brees has had some really unlucky playoff losses.
Great point. The Saints were good enough to win it all last year and this year ....a crazy finish and a crazy no call...and no Super Bowls for a team good enough to go back to back.
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Impressive drive for the Pats... I can't stand the Chiefs, so I'm pulling hard for the Pats tonight :lol
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Couldn't draw the 1st drive better.
Let's go D!
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The league has already admitted that the officials should have called both PI and helmet to helmet on that play in the Saints/Rams game. Between that farce and people being tired of the Patriots, who appear en route to an easy win already, I could see quite a few people saying to hell with the Super Bowl this year and not watching.
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There's got to be something set up where New York can page the ref and say "you missed a call". Will it make the games a little longer....sure.....but let's get it right.
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Terrible decision by Brady. Hopefully Mahomes can capitalize
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Fudge.
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That was a god awful throw.
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:facepalm:
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It feels like the Pats are blowing a big opportunity here.
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Saints Rams game was a great game, I think there were more missed PI calls from what I remember but obviously the last missed one super blatant.
Saints couldn't wrap things up unfortunately in OT.
This Pats Chefs game is going pretty much the way I thought it would go. There is still the second half though.
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WTF kind of kickoff was that?
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I am done defending Andy Reid.
His team looks unprepared and is getting beat in almost every phase. There is no excuse for this. I know Belichick is the GOAT, but this is pitiful.
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Plenty of time left in this game, Kev.
But I think this first possession is very important.
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Plenty of time left in this game, Kev.
But I think this first possession is very important.
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Fudge.
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There we go!
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Fudge.
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:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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I could deal with last year's debacle in Minnesota cuz we actually had a chance to win it. The final missed DPI/leading with the helmet was just the last in a string of easily four bad calls that have me convinced the fix was on. When no level of talent can overcome refs bent on ensuring a certain outcome, I'm out. I spent 31 years following the NFL but I doubt anything can change my mind about permanently abandoning all interest in it.
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How in the world did that ball not touch Edelman. Incredible
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How in the world did that ball not touch Edelman. Incredible
I'm still not convinced it didn't graze his thumb. But ya....I'm shocked that it wasn't more obvious. It really looked like he touched it, but he very well may not have.
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Dang I thought for sure Edelman touched the ball, it was just an awkward bounce right in front of him. This review is going to be huge either way.
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That is super close. Not sure how you can overturn it.
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They got it right.
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Shocking. :rollin :rollin :rollin
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LOL THAT ONE TOUCHED EDELMAN
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These last few minutes have been a roller coaster lol.
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Fun second half.
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Fun second half.
Not really! :lol
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Fun second half.
Not really! :lol
Believe it or not, I dislike the Chiefs a lot more than the Patriots. Broncos fan over here, ya know.
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I think if you are neutral, it's been great.
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And there is the BS flag. :\
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Gift call on roughing the passer.
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Wouldn't be a big game without a completely ridiculous roughing the passer call
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They just made up for it for not calling holding/PI on Berry.
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Great catch by Hogan....and that won't be overturned
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No way did Hogan secure that before it hit the ground. But we all know how this will turn out...
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That's PI??
Not after what I saw this afternoon.
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The officials are working hard to determine the outcome of this one too :facepalm:
Clearly OPI on Conley on that one.
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Either the Chiefs hang on for their biggest win in 49 years....or the "GOAT" does it again.
Wonder what's going through Kareem Hunt's mind watching Damien Williams. He's probably at home kicking himself.
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Either the Chiefs hang on for their biggest win in 49 years....or the "GOAT" does it again.
Wonder what's going through Kareem Hunt's mind watching Damien Williams. He's probably at home kicking himself.
Or some chick.
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That's PI??
Not after what I saw this afternoon.
I question the PI call there too. But even if you take that away, you get the Roughing the passer call (which was blatant) and a first down. You don't quite the get the same amount of yardage, but I'm not certain a few yards would have made that big of a difference.
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My money is on the Chiefs holding this lead and winning out. They look to have all the momentum in this last quarter. Either way this has been an amazing two games today.
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65 yards.... let's go!
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Did that hit the ground? I don't think so.
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Did that hit the ground? I don't think so.
They seemed to be pretty confident that it did in the broadcast booth, but I couldn't tell either way.
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What a fucking drive......now let's see if Mahomes has a little more of that magic.
Please Refs....no more crazy shit
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Watch'em give up a TD return.
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Man how many game-winning drives can you get in the last 3 mins or so.
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I'm dying right now.
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Honestly I never root against a kicker in that spot.
Two OT games today! :metal
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OMG another OT game...
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Coin flip is huge.
D'uh.
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Game should be over. Dee Ford blew it. Wonder if NE wins the coin toss? They usually do.
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Two OT games on Championship Sunday..... incredible
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No D.....
I'm just dead right now.
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Decided by a coin flip. Ugh.
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Why does nobody in the AFC know how to beat the Patriots in the playoffs?
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I remember cheering for the Pats against the Rams in SB36. My how things have changed.
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Goddamnit, thanks a lot Dee Ford
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Elizabeth. I'm coming to ya!
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Seriously, why wouldn't Reid call a time out on the goal line to give his D a breather?
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Elizabeth. I'm coming to ya!
Was thinking the same thing, obviously. :lol
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Goddamnit, thanks a lot Dee Ford
The Patriots are undoubtedly great, but it's stuff like that that makes them the luckiest team ever as well. I can't remember any QB getting bailed out by a game-ending INT by a defender lining up in the neutral zone. Tom Brady is living the good life and he is as lucky as he is good. Good for him. :tup :tup
Why does nobody in the AFC know how to beat the Patriots in the playoffs?
Excuse me, my Broncos are 3-1 against them in the Brady/Belichick era in the postseason.
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Decided by a coin flip. Ugh.
Eh..that's how close these teams are.
Honestly, I felt the home team would win this game whether it be in KC or NE.
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Crazy crazy games today, highly entertaining for a fan of the sport. The superbowl should be an amazing one.
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So many clutch plays by Edelman and Gronk at the end there, what a finish :o
I feel bad for Reid with the amount of great seasons he's had that have ended in heartbreaking fashion.
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Let me also commend Tony Romo's commentating on that entire last drive in OT, dude called almost every play and for a casual fan like myself it was super entertaining to listen. The superbowl should be a fun listen with him.
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Why does nobody in the AFC know how to beat the Patriots in the playoffs?
Excuse me, my Broncos are 3-1 against them in the Brady/Belichick era in the postseason.
Fair enough. But it’s frustrating watching teams that have been great all year constantly and consistently shoot themselves in the foot when the only thing standing between them and the Super Bowl is Tom Brady/Bill Belichick.
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Goddamnit, thanks a lot Dee Ford
The Patriots are undoubtedly great, but it's stuff like that that makes them the luckiest team ever as well. I can't remember any QB getting bailed out by a game-ending INT by a defender lining up in the neutral zone. Tom Brady is living the good life and he is as lucky as he is good. Good for him. :tup :tup
Why does nobody in the AFC know how to beat the Patriots in the playoffs?
Excuse me, my Broncos are 3-1 against them in the Brady/Belichick era in the postseason.
It's not lucky when a dummy lines up in the neutral zone
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Let me also commend Tony Romo's commentating on that entire last drive in OT, dude called almost every play and for a casual fan like myself it was super entertaining to listen. The superbowl should be a fun listen with him.
Seriously. He knows his stuff. Fantastic job.
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Why does nobody in the AFC know how to beat the Patriots in the playoffs?
Excuse me, my Broncos are 3-1 against them in the Brady/Belichick era in the postseason.
Fair enough. But it’s frustrating watching teams that have been great all year constantly and consistently shoot themselves in the foot when the only thing standing between them and the Super Bowl is Tom Brady/Bill Belichick.
Sometimes you have to give the devils their due. Neither their win vs. LA or vs. KC was due to the other team shooting themselves in the foot
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Brady/Belichek record in AFC Championship Games is now 9-4.
I feel bad for the Chiefs, although they kind of got bailed out with penalties on their last touchdown drive; but if I was a Chiefs fan, I would probably be harping on the Off-sides call.
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Let me also commend Tony Romo's commentating on that entire last drive in OT, dude called almost every play and for a casual fan like myself it was super entertaining to listen. The superbowl should be a fun listen with him.
Seriously. He knows his stuff. Fantastic job.
I love Tony Romo doing the games. Seriously. I actually feel like I learn something.
Sometimes you have to give the devils their due. Neither their win vs. LA or vs. KC was due to the other team shooting themselves in the foot
Well, for the Chargers to shoot themselves in the foot, they would've actually had to show up.
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Eddleman caught a break. The ball definitely missed him cleanly, but he never should have been within 10 yards of the fucking thing to begin with.
Let me also commend Tony Romo's commentating on that entire last drive in OT, dude called almost every play and for a casual fan like myself it was super entertaining to listen. The superbowl should be a fun listen with him.
The dude's just about Kreskin. He called the end of the game dead-on. At the same time, as Patriots fan I really wanted him to STFU. I was wanting more game than Romo. I had to work to tune him out.
They just made up for it for not calling holding/PI on Berry.
Yep. And then they missed three different holds against Gronk on the next play. The Roughing call is as bad as I've ever seen, but I saw enough bad calls in the 4th to go around.
Go Pats. I'm pretty fucking happy about the whole thing. :lol
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Romo does a damn fine job.
That said, this will probably be the first Super Bowl since the early 90's I do not go out of my way to watch, and no I am not just saying that. Stan Kroenke's team vs the Patriots is just too gross to endure.
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You want me to PM you the results after the game? :lol
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No need. I have a group text with my brother and a few friends from our football league; that will be impossible to avoid. Odds are, this year I will end up going to someone's SB party, which I usually avoid because I want to watch this game, but this year not so much.
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Thanks Dee Ford. Now everyone will blissfully forget that Brady threw a game-ending INT (his third pick of the game). ESPN has “questionable” roughing call headline on home page. Ya think? :lol . And thanks to the fact that NE wins the coin toss way more than 50% of the time, 10% of the nation will enjoy the SB instead of 99%. :sadpanda:
Tony Romo should be KC’s defensive coordinator, he knew every play coming.
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Tony Romo should be KC’s defensive coordinator, he knew every play coming.
:lol
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No dogs in the hunt today....and both my wife and I are drained. We feel for the Saints and Chiefs fans....these games will leave a bitter taste for years, especially since each team did have their chances (Lee Evans drops the winning TD, Billy Cundiff then hooks the FG....nope, haven't forgotten the Ravens loss at NE).
As to Romo.....Tony, once you've made your point, you don't need to go on for another sentence or three.
And did he really make some comparison of a booth review to the Grassy Knoll?!? We keep the volume down quite low so as not to hear most of his speeches, but we did hear that.
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The Rams' no call sucked, but you can't blame the refs on throwing an INT in OT! They had their chance to win it.
I had hopes for the Chiefs, but Brady being f'n Brady dammit.
So we'll have a veteran QB and HC against a 3rd year QB and 2nd year HC. Greaaaat. Good luck with that.
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The OT doesn't happen if the call is made correctly. It's like telling someone they'd have never been evicted if they would've had a second job to make money cuz their primary job skipped town and never paid them.
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To be this consistent in this era designed to promote parity......it's absolutely incredible. Hate em if you want to or need to, but there is no denying how great of an accomplishment this sustained success of New England has been.
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Mahomes was pressured on 45% of his drop backs (by a defense Pats fans told me was trash and would never get this team to the Super Bowl this year).
Brady's uniform at the end of the game looked as clean as it did at the beginning (despite KC having a great pass rush, the only good part of their defense).
That is all coaching.
Yesterday was just more proof that Belichick is the unquestioned GOAT who still deserves the lion's share of credit for this unprecedented dynasty.
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As a Chiefs fan that was a tough loss (LINE UP IN THE RIGHT SPOT DEE FORD AND YOU"RE IN THE SUPER BOWL) but I figured their defense was going to let them down. Didn't get to Brady once. Be surprised if they keep their Def Coordinator. If they can keep that offense and give Mahommes weapons they'll win at least one super bowl in the next decade.
The refs were equally terrible in each game.
Random though, while the odds of two OT Conference Champ games ever occurring again is close to 0 I'd like to see the NFL tweak the OT rule for the playoffs which gives each team the ball once regardless if the first team gets a touchdown. Who in the world didn't want to see if Mahommes could go and score again?
Super Bowl Prediction- I don't see Brady losing back-to-back super bowls. The Rams secondary is worse than the Chiefs. Pats win again in a surprising blow out.
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poor officiating aside, as someone not a fan of either team, I am just glad we got really fun and exciting games to watch yesterday
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Mahomes was pressured on 45% of his drop backs (by a defense Pats fans told me was trash and would never get this team to the Super Bowl this year).
Brady's uniform at the end of the game looked as clean as it did at the beginning (despite KC having a great pass rush, the only good part of their defense).
That is all coaching.
Yesterday was just more proof that Belichick is the unquestioned GOAT who still deserves the lion's share of credit for this unprecedented dynasty.
If you watched every game this year you would feel the same about this defense. I am so glad to be wrong.
The Pats never seemed like a team that could "Turn the switch on" like you see in basketball a lot. They have this year.
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The OT doesn't happen if the call is made correctly. It's like telling someone they'd have never been evicted if they would've had a second job to make money cuz their primary job skipped town and never paid them.
True, but Brady got to OT and won it. Brees had the same opportunity and didn't.
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And did he really make some comparison of a booth review to the Grassy Knoll?!? We keep the volume down quite low so as not to hear most of his speeches, but we did hear that.
It wasn't just Romo. I was listening on Westwood One, and Harlan said it was like "the Zapruder film".
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To be this consistent in this era designed to promote parity......it's absolutely incredible. Hate em if you want to or need to, but there is no denying how great of an accomplishment this sustained success of New England has been.
Exactly. This isn't a joke league like MLB where the Yankees can buy their way to a dynasty. I'm not a Patriots fan, but I am a Patriots admirer and they are bar none the most impressive professional sports franchise of the past 20 years.
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The OT doesn't happen if the call is made correctly. It's like telling someone they'd have never been evicted if they would've had a second job to make money cuz their primary job skipped town and never paid them.
True, but Brady got to OT and won it. Brees had the same opportunity and didn't.
*eyeroll* Like Brady had to deal with even 5% of the ref screwjobs Brees did. Shit, Brady routinely benefits from shaky reffing.
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The OT doesn't happen if the call is made correctly. It's like telling someone they'd have never been evicted if they would've had a second job to make money cuz their primary job skipped town and never paid them.
True, but Brady got to OT and won it. Brees had the same opportunity and didn't.
*eyeroll* Like Brady had to deal with even 5% of the ref screwjobs Brees did. Shit, Brady routinely benefits from shaky reffing.
Why do you hurt me lover? Why? :lol
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Saints fans have every right to bitch. Brutal.
As far as OT rules, if "your" defense can keep a team out of the end zone, then "you" do get the ball. I don't understand the everyone should get the ball complaint. Last time I checked, the defense is half of your team.
Not in reaction to yesterday, but it's how I feel about it in general.
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Saints fans have every right to bitch. Brutal.
As far as OT rules, if "your" defense can keep a team out of the end zone, then "you" do get the ball. I don't understand the everyone should get the ball complaint. Last time I checked, the defense is half of your team.
Not in reaction to yesterday, but it's how I feel about it in general.
honest question, do you believe the NFL favors the offense or defense when it comes to rules?
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I generally agree with TAC's sentiment, but given that the league has heavily changed the rules to benefit the offense in a big way, it's gotten to a situation where whichever team wins the coin flip has a huge advantage. I think a simple solution is, each team gets a possession in OT, that way if the team that gets it first gets a TD, the other team then has to score one to keep it going. Then it becomes true sudden death.
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Saints fans have every right to bitch. Brutal.
As far as OT rules, if "your" defense can keep a team out of the end zone, then "you" do get the ball. I don't understand the everyone should get the ball complaint. Last time I checked, the defense is half of your team.
Not in reaction to yesterday, but it's how I feel about it in general.
I generally agree with TAC's sentiment, but given that the league has heavily changed the rules to benefit the offense in a big way, it's gotten to a situation where whichever team wins the coin flip has a huge advantage. I think a simple solution is, each team gets a possession in OT, that way if the team that gets it first gets a TD, the other team then has to score one to keep it going. Then it becomes true sudden death.
I don't feel strongly either way, tbh, but I think by making the argument, we are letting the Defense off the hook.
I mean, what percentage of OT games are won by a TD on the first possession? I don't know.
honest question, do you believe the NFL favors the offense or defense when it comes to rules?
Certainly a valid point. But we're talking about keeping a team out of the end zone. Just hold them to a field goal.
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I generally agree with TAC's sentiment, but given that the league has heavily changed the rules to benefit the offense in a big way, it's gotten to a situation where whichever team wins the coin flip has a huge advantage. I think a simple solution is, each team gets a possession in OT, that way if the team that gets it first gets a TD, the other team then has to score one to keep it going. Then it becomes true sudden death.
I think this is reasonable, but we're talking about this because of one game.* How often does a team actually take the opening drive in for a touchdown? Ten percent, maybe? Even with the rules the way they are it seems pretty uncommon to me. You see D win out more often than not, and you certainly see more fieldgoals. What I've seen is that most teams aren't all that aggressive in OT. They're happy to settle for a FG if that's what they can get. NE seems to always play TD or bust, and they have a QB that can pull it off more often than not. That's not a problem with the rules.
*And frankly, I think we're talking about it because of this game and this outcome. Would there be any clamoring for a rule change if KC had done the same thing? There wasn't any when Larry Fitzgerald scored on an opening OT possession, denying St. Rogers the opportunity to score. I'm honestly kind of surprised that this is really a thing.
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I think this is reasonable, but we're talking about this because of one game.* How often does a team actually take the opening drive in for a touchdown? Ten percent, maybe? Even with the rules the way they are it seems pretty uncommon to me. You see D win out more often than not, and you certainly see more fieldgoals. What I've seen is that most teams aren't all that aggressive in OT. They're happy to settle for a FG if that's what they can get. NE seems to always play TD or bust, and they have a QB that can pull it off more often than not. That's not a problem with the rules.
*And frankly, I think we're talking about it because of this game and this outcome. Would there be any clamoring for a rule change if KC had done the same thing? There wasn't any when Larry Fitzgerald scored on an opening OT possession, denying St. Rogers the opportunity to score. I'm honestly kind of surprised that this is really a thing.
Hmmm, I seem to remember it being talked about then as well, as it was considered a bad look for the league. Aaron Rodgers pulled off an incredible throw to send the game to OT...and then never got to touch the ball. Then yesterday, the AFCCG goes to overtime and the (likely) NFL MVP doesn't even get to play. I am not sure what the solution is, but a tweaking is in order, especially with the rules constantly changing to help the offense.
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I feel the OT rules come up every time one team never gets the ball. Let’s face it, the coin flip is pure luck. Instead of having fate decide who gets the advantage, let’s give both teams a chance.
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But you're letting the defense off the hook.
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I feel the OT rules come up every time one team never gets the ball. Let’s face it, the coin flip is pure luck. Instead of having fate decide who gets the advantage, let’s give both teams a chance.
Didn't somebody in this very thread bitch that NE wins coin-tosses more often than other teams? :lol
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But you're letting the defense off the hook.
But only one teams defense......am I right?
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I feel the OT rules come up every time one team never gets the ball. Let’s face it, the coin flip is pure luck. Instead of having fate decide who gets the advantage, let’s give both teams a chance.
Careful. I got push back last night when I mentioned how lucky the Patriots sometimes are, which is obvious to almost everyone who doesn't live in the Northeast. :lol
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Last year, the ave team scored 23.3 PPG.
2017...21.7
2010...22.0
2000...20.7
1990...20.1
1980...20.5
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/
There's been very litttle movement as far as average points per game, even with the rule changes. Defences have gotten better over the years. The rule changes are made to off set that so points scored can keep up, no?
Whatever OT strategy the league adopts, I really don't care, but whining because "So and so didn't touch the ball" lets the defense off the hook and devalues the impact of "team".
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Careful. I got push back last night when I mentioned how lucky the Patriots sometimes are, which is obvious to almost everyone who doesn't live in the Northeast. :lol
The coin flip winner got to put their best unit on the field first. That is true.
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I see 16 OT games this year (including the playoffs). Only four were won with first possession touchdowns. Most are FGs. This just isn't a situation that comes up all that often.
Something else I noticed, those four were all decided by an elite player that the other team simply couldn't stop. Brees and Rogers both led long, methodic drives. Brady led a short methodic drive. Ezekiel Elliot ran it down the Eagle's throat for 8 minutes. TAC's right. Defense does have to be a factor in this.
edit: Between the 2012 rule change and the Patriots OT super bowl win there were 87 tie games, and the team to win the coin toss won 45 of them. There were 5 ties, and some of those wins would have been after the first possession. Like I said, pretty much a non-problem.
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If the current rules are okay, how come no team EVER has put their defense on the field first in OT after winning the toss?
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I prefer college overtime rules.
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If the current rules are okay, how come no team EVER has put their defense on the field first in OT after winning the toss?
The only thing the coin flip give you is the chance to land a knockout blow.
Didn't the Pats actually defer in OT in a regular season game a couple of years ago? I think they lost. :lol
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If the current rules are okay, how come no team EVER has put their defense on the field first in OT after winning the toss?
Belichick has. Kev can tell you all about it. :biggrin:
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Didn't the Pats actually defer in OT in a regular season game a couple of years ago? I think they lost. :lol
Twice. The one they lost might or might not have been intentional. Nobody's really sure WTF it was all about, but the two theories are that Bill threw the game to get a better playoff matchup (unlikely) or that he simply fucked up (slightly more likely). My theory was that Slater screwed up and said kick by mistake and Bill took the heat off of him by taking the blame.
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If the current rules are okay, how come no team EVER has put their defense on the field first in OT after winning the toss?
Belichick has. Kev can tell you all about it. :biggrin:
Good point... but that decision didn't lead to the Patriots winning that game, a boneheaded move by Tony Carter on a punt in OT did :lol
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If the current rules are okay, how come no team EVER has put their defense on the field first in OT after winning the toss?
Belichick has. Kev can tell you all about it. :biggrin:
Good point... but that decision didn't lead to the Patriots winning that game, a boneheaded move by Tony Carter on a punt in OT did :lol
Fair enough, but keeping you guys playing against the wind was a key part of that entire game; including OT. He rightly decided that the weather was more important than the first possession.
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And El Barto hit the nail on the head.
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I see 16 OT games this year (including the playoffs). Only four were won with first possession touchdowns. Most are FGs. This just isn't a situation that comes up all that often.
Something else I noticed, those four were all decided by an elite player that the other team simply couldn't stop. Brees and Rogers both led long, methodic drives. Brady led a short methodic drive. Ezekiel Elliot ran it down the Eagle's throat for 8 minutes. TAC's right. Defense does have to be a factor in this.
edit: Between the 2012 rule change and the Patriots OT super bowl win there were 87 tie games, and the team to win the coin toss won 45 of them. There were 5 ties, and some of those wins would have been after the first possession. Like I said, pretty much a non-problem.
Good research and numbers. :tup :tup
Like I said earlier, I am generally in favor of TAC's "play defense if you don't want to lose on the first possession of OT" stance. However, I would not be opposed to a tweaking that guarantees each team a possession.
And the argument could be made that "Hey, if you are mad you didn't get a possession in OT, you had 60 minutes to win the game and failed, so too freaking bad."
Trust me, even though I am tired of the Patriots, seeing the Chiefs lose at home in the playoffs again did bring a smile to my face.
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If the current rules are okay, how come no team EVER has put their defense on the field first in OT after winning the toss?
Belichick has. Kev can tell you all about it. :biggrin:
Good point... but that decision didn't lead to the Patriots winning that game, a boneheaded move by Tony Carter on a punt in OT did :lol
Fair enough, but keeping you guys playing against the wind was a key part of that entire game; including OT. He rightly decided that the weather was more important than the first possession.
Oh I totally agree with you on that being the right call by Belichick, it just reminded me of that idiotic move by Carter at the end of the game. Peyton was struggling in those windy conditions all day. Brady looked like the wind didn't affect him at all that night after an ugly start with several fluky turnovers. One thing I really admire about Brady is that he's so damn consistent regardless of the weather. Peyton seemed to be affected by that kind of thing more throughout his career... maybe it was because he was so used to playing in a dome for so long.
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I thought this was funny.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/tony-romo-just-predicted-where-bryce-harper-will-play-next-season/ar-BBSzbnG?li=BBnb7Kx
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Best Tweet of the night was:
@RyanBrownWJOX
"If @tonyromo ever tells you tomorrow is your last day on Earth, you best get your affairs in order."
:lol :lol :lol :lol
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He's doing the Super Bowl, right? I'm looking forward to that.
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Best Tweet of the night was:
@RyanBrownWJOX
"If @tonyromo ever tells you tomorrow is your last day on Earth, you best get your affairs in order."
:lol :lol :lol :lol
Dude really does know his shit. Not only does he know what's coming next, he remembers everything that happened. I'm just as impressed with his ability to point out patterns as they develop. Gruden was the same way.
I just wish he'd learn that not every second of the game requires analysis. Sometimes the sound of the game is more entertaining than his nonstop exposition.
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Best Tweet of the night was:
@RyanBrownWJOX
"If @tonyromo ever tells you tomorrow is your last day on Earth, you best get your affairs in order."
:lol :lol :lol :lol
Dude really does know his shit. Not only does he know what's coming next, he remembers everything that happened. I'm just as impressed with his ability to point out patterns as they develop. Gruden was the same way.
I just wish he'd learn that not every second of the game requires analysis. Sometimes the sound of the game is more entertaining than his nonstop exposition.
He's not used to being in a stadium this late in the season. He might simply be over-excited...
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Saints fans have every right to bitch. Brutal.
... if "your" defense can keep a team out of the end zone, ...
Speaking of that, the Saints were outscored 17-7 in quarters 2 and 3. This "no call" wouldn't have mattered if the Saints offense stayed consistent throughout the game. Is that the refs fault too???
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I love how people act like shitty officiating is excusable if you play a less than great game.
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Best Tweet of the night was:
@RyanBrownWJOX
"If @tonyromo ever tells you tomorrow is your last day on Earth, you best get your affairs in order."
:lol :lol :lol :lol
Dude really does know his shit. Not only does he know what's coming next, he remembers everything that happened. I'm just as impressed with his ability to point out patterns as they develop. Gruden was the same way.
I just wish he'd learn that not every second of the game requires analysis. Sometimes the sound of the game is more entertaining than his nonstop exposition.
He's not used to being in a stadium this late in the season. He might simply be over-excited...
That was rude but hilarious. :lol
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I love how people act like shitty officiating is excusable if you play a less than great game.
I don't feel that way. I mean, if it happened earlier in the game, then it would be on the Saints to get over it, but that play at that time literally changed the game.
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I love how people act like shitty officiating is excusable if you play a less than great game.
I don't feel that way. I mean, if it happened earlier in the game, then it would be on the Saints to get over it, but that play at that time literally changed the game.
Agreed.
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I love how people act like shitty officiating is excusable if you play a less than great game.
I don't feel that way. I mean, if it happened earlier in the game, then it would be on the Saints to get over it, but that play at that time literally changed the game.
Agreed.
As much as I don't want more reviews, allowing penalties (or lack of penalties) to be reviewed within the last 2 minutes of a game may make sense. I definitely don't want this to be allowed throughout the whole game though.
Obviously in this case New Orleans still needs to punch the ball into the endzone, which there is no guarantee they would have done, but at least they would have killed a bunch more clock before kicking the field goal. If the obviously correct call was made there, the Saints probably had a 95%+ of winning. Bad calls at the end of the game have too much power over the outcome, which is why reviews there may be a good idea.
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Bill Belichick has said it before. I should be able to challenge everything. Still only have the 2 challenges.
Let have t like the NHL were the main office reviews the calls. It would move the game so much faster.
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Thee Pass Interference pissed me off, at the time, for all the reasons mentioned in this thread, but what is the most shameful to me is that it was so very unnecessary. If Robey-Coleman hadn't been so intent on taking someone's head off and just glanced back at Brees he would have seen the ball closer to him than the receiver. The ineptitude of the referees kept his poor play from being an issue in this game, but if I were the Rams DC I'd be seriously tempted to keep that dude off the field...or at least give him a serious dressing down.
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2 refs were right there looking at that non catch. It's amazing how they did not call it.
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Bill Belichick has said it before. I should be able to challenge everything. Still only have the 2 challenges.
Let have t like the NHL were the main office reviews the calls. It would move the game so much faster.
I'm not sure that would make sense. If they make it so judgement calls like PI are review able, they would just be rejudging judgement calls. The way it is now, the only things that can be reviewed are black and white plays - goal line, out of bounds, fumbles, etc.... where clear black and white evidence can be observed. PI is a judgement call. Sure the one in the Saints/Rams game was over the top obvious, but most aren't going to be that obvious.
I think it's clearly frustrating for Saints fans, I know I'd be ticked, but overall, I think it's just part of the game.
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If the current rules are okay, how come no team EVER has put their defense on the field first in OT after winning the toss?
That's not really relevant, though, because regardless of whether the other team touches the ball, you DO need points, and there's no "second half kickoff" to strategize about. I would NEVER, EVER opt to kick off in OT, because even if you settle for a FG, the other team STILL needs to put points on the board to keep the game going. It IS sudden death (of a sort) after all.
(And by the way, this is the case in hockey too; if I win the face-off, and take the puck down and score, we don't give the other team "one breakout chance".)
Either way, the ire is just that the Pats are good at this. If you made OT a full 15 minute quarter, there'd still be the problem, because in the last two games, Brady put together a drive in each game that ate more than half the quarter. I think if he drove the ball down, scored a TD and ate 8, 9 minutes out of the quarter, people would still find a way to complain.
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I cannot get on board with "everything" being challenge-able, as you'd have a coach challenging a TD by the other team by saying an offensive linemen held (which can be called on like every play). Too much of a slippery slope.
The NFL should definitely move to all challenges being reviewed by someone elsewhere. It would save time instead of the ref having to go over and get under the hood and watch the play. You can't tell me the NFL cannot afford to have a team ready to review a play in every game every week. They make billions.
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If the current rules are okay, how come no team EVER has put their defense on the field first in OT after winning the toss?
That's not really relevant, though, because regardless of whether the other team touches the ball, you DO need points, and there's no "second half kickoff" to strategize about. I would NEVER, EVER opt to kick off in OT, because even if you settle for a FG, the other team STILL needs to put points on the board to keep the game going. It IS sudden death (of a sort) after all.
(And by the way, this is the case in hockey too; if I win the face-off, and take the puck down and score, we don't give the other team "one breakout chance".)
Either way, the ire is just that the Pats are good at this. If you made OT a full 15 minute quarter, there'd still be the problem, because in the last two games, Brady put together a drive in each game that ate more than half the quarter. I think if he drove the ball down, scored a TD and ate 8, 9 minutes out of the quarter, people would still find a way to complain.
I know it isn't relevant because the team with the ball first has an advantage.
And your hockey analogy is poor because a face-off involves both teams with an opportunity to win with a players skill, which isn't the case with a coin flip.
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He's doing the Super Bowl, right? I'm looking forward to that.
Yes, CBS has the Super Bowl this year, and the Nantz/Romo team will do the commentary.
Thee Pass Interference pissed me off, at the time, for all the reasons mentioned in this thread, but what is the most shameful to me is that it was so very unnecessary. If Robey-Coleman hadn't been so intent on taking someone's head off and just glanced back at Brees he would have seen the ball closer to him than the receiver. The ineptitude of the referees kept his poor play from being an issue in this game, but if I were the Rams DC I'd be seriously tempted to keep that dude off the field...or at least give him a serious dressing down.
He didn't know where the ball was and said he was worried that if he turned his head around, he wouldn't be able to get to the receiver on time. The helmet-to-helmet was unfortunate, but he was set on causing the interference no matter what. He decided that causing the penalty was better than allowing the touchdown (although with the time situation, he should've just let them get the TD and give the Rams the ball again).
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The problem for me with the Saints PI no-call was not the no-call of pass interference, but that we've been hearing all season long about "protecting" the receivers, and there have been countless penalties all year where DBs put helmet - legit - on a receiver, and were flagged, and here, "on the biggest stage", national game with millions watching, and Robey-Coleman basically assassinates the receiver and.... <chirp chirp, chirp chirp>.
As much as I wanted the Saints to win (almost as bad as the Pats) that whole sequence was shit; I get it, Sean Payton knows more than I do but why not get the Rams to burn a time out at the end there? And by the way, Wade Phillips may be the greatest defensive coordinator in the game today. He didn't have a Von Miller, but he mixed it up at the end and he kept Brees off balance when he needed him to be that way the most. I thought that was the difference in the game, not the PI no-call.
At least the Brady roughing the passer nonsense was quasi-consistent.
Oh, and Chiefs fans, welcome to football ala Andy Reid. Why didn't he call the timeout to save his D? Because he's the worst game manager in the league. Sure, he's got a sheet of "big plays" but if you notice, Belichick took away Hill almost entirely (one catch) and Kelce for a large part (3 for 23, though he did have a TD) and Reid never overcame that. Kyle Van Noy played like, if not LT then at least Carl Banks. The guy was on fire.
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Bill Belichick has said it before. I should be able to challenge everything. Still only have the 2 challenges.
Let have t like the NHL were the main office reviews the calls. It would move the game so much faster.
I'm not sure that would make sense. If they make it so judgement calls like PI are review able, they would just be rejudging judgement calls. The way it is now, the only things that can be reviewed are black and white plays - goal line, out of bounds, fumbles, etc.... where clear black and white evidence can be observed. PI is a judgement call. Sure the one in the Saints/Rams game was over the top obvious, but most aren't going to be that obvious.
I think it's clearly frustrating for Saints fans, I know I'd be ticked, but overall, I think it's just part of the game.
Take a read. Kev, you too.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/03/bill-belichick-why-not-let-coaches-challenge-everything/
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If the current rules are okay, how come no team EVER has put their defense on the field first in OT after winning the toss?
That's not really relevant, though, because regardless of whether the other team touches the ball, you DO need points, and there's no "second half kickoff" to strategize about. I would NEVER, EVER opt to kick off in OT, because even if you settle for a FG, the other team STILL needs to put points on the board to keep the game going. It IS sudden death (of a sort) after all.
(And by the way, this is the case in hockey too; if I win the face-off, and take the puck down and score, we don't give the other team "one breakout chance".)
Either way, the ire is just that the Pats are good at this. If you made OT a full 15 minute quarter, there'd still be the problem, because in the last two games, Brady put together a drive in each game that ate more than half the quarter. I think if he drove the ball down, scored a TD and ate 8, 9 minutes out of the quarter, people would still find a way to complain.
I know it isn't relevant because the team with the ball first has an advantage.
And your hockey analogy is poor because a face-off involves both teams with an opportunity to win with a players skill, which isn't the case with a coin flip.
Bart just proved - with stats - that there IS no advantage, or at least not a statistically significant one. And there IS ability involved; please don't try to make your case that what Brady did was not skillful or significant in the outcome.
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As much as I wanted the Saints to win (almost as bad as the Pats) that whole sequence was shit; I get it, Sean Payton knows more than I do but why not get the Rams to burn a time out at the end there? And by the way, Wade Phillips may be the greatest defensive coordinator in the game today. He didn't have a Von Miller, but he mixed it up at the end and he kept Brees off balance when he needed him to be that way the most. I thought that was the difference in the game, not the PI no-call.
No, but he does have Aaron Donald, the best defensive player in football.
As for Brees, lost in the PI controversy is the fact that Brees' play really dropped off at the end of the season and carried over into the playoffs. Makes you wonder if Father Time has caught him...
Oh, and Chiefs fans, welcome to football ala Andy Reid. Why didn't he call the timeout to save his D? Because he's the worst game manager in the league. Sure, he's got a sheet of "big plays" but if you notice, Belichick took away Hill almost entirely (one catch) and Kelce for a large part (3 for 23, though he did have a TD) and Reid never overcame that. Kyle Van Noy played like, if not LT then at least Carl Banks. The guy was on fire.
I have no idea why he didn't call timeout once NE got to 1st and goal in OT. What was he saving those timeouts for??
The amazing thing is NE did everything they wanted to do - shut down Hill and Kelce, protected Brady, ran the ball, got pressure on Mahomes all day, etc. - and still needed OT to win.
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Bill Belichick has said it before. I should be able to challenge everything. Still only have the 2 challenges.
Let have t like the NHL were the main office reviews the calls. It would move the game so much faster.
I'm not sure that would make sense. If they make it so judgement calls like PI are review able, they would just be rejudging judgement calls. The way it is now, the only things that can be reviewed are black and white plays - goal line, out of bounds, fumbles, etc.... where clear black and white evidence can be observed. PI is a judgement call. Sure the one in the Saints/Rams game was over the top obvious, but most aren't going to be that obvious.
I think it's clearly frustrating for Saints fans, I know I'd be ticked, but overall, I think it's just part of the game.
Take a read. Kev, you too.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/03/bill-belichick-why-not-let-coaches-challenge-everything/
Yeah I get his stance, he wants control, not surprising :lol
I still think it's a bad idea, a slippery slope, and that it doesn't make a ton of sense. What makes more sense, like I said, is to have clear, provable, black and white rules be reviewed. PI, for example, is not that.
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/03/bill-belichick-why-not-let-coaches-challenge-everything/
I get the logic. I just think it is a slippery slope.
Imagine a game-winning TD at the end of a game being overturned because a challenge flag was thrown and the ref decided an offensive lineman held (which, as I said before, can be hold on nearly every play).
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If the current rules are okay, how come no team EVER has put their defense on the field first in OT after winning the toss?
That's not really relevant, though, because regardless of whether the other team touches the ball, you DO need points, and there's no "second half kickoff" to strategize about. I would NEVER, EVER opt to kick off in OT, because even if you settle for a FG, the other team STILL needs to put points on the board to keep the game going. It IS sudden death (of a sort) after all.
(And by the way, this is the case in hockey too; if I win the face-off, and take the puck down and score, we don't give the other team "one breakout chance".)
Either way, the ire is just that the Pats are good at this. If you made OT a full 15 minute quarter, there'd still be the problem, because in the last two games, Brady put together a drive in each game that ate more than half the quarter. I think if he drove the ball down, scored a TD and ate 8, 9 minutes out of the quarter, people would still find a way to complain.
I know it isn't relevant because the team with the ball first has an advantage.
And your hockey analogy is poor because a face-off involves both teams with an opportunity to win with a players skill, which isn't the case with a coin flip.
Bart just proved - with stats - that there IS no advantage, or at least not a statistically significant one. And there IS ability involved; please don't try to make your case that what Brady did was not skillful or significant in the outcome.
re-read what I wrote, both teams have a chance to win a hockey face-off due to skill, there is no skill involved in a coin flip at midfield.
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I love how people act like shitty officiating is excusable if you play a less than great game.
I don't feel that way. I mean, if it happened earlier in the game, then it would be on the Saints to get over it, but that play at that time literally changed the game.
That no-call was the worst I've ever seen. Even if it wasn't PI (which it clear was), it was also H to H contact. They missed 2 severe penalties that would've set up the Saints for the go ahead score. However, the Saints put themselves in that situation by not recognizing their situation. 1st down on the Rams 15 YL just inside 2:00 mins remaining. What do they do? Run a pass play for an incompletion and essentially give the Rams a free timeout. 2nd down is a running play but it doesn't matter. No 1st down yet and the Rams still don't need a timeout at this point. 3rd down is pass again and then the no-call. Clock stops. 4th down. Extremely poor 2:00 min drill by the Saints. They essentially gave that game away by not keeping the ball on the ground.
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If the current rules are okay, how come no team EVER has put their defense on the field first in OT after winning the toss?
That's not really relevant, though, because regardless of whether the other team touches the ball, you DO need points, and there's no "second half kickoff" to strategize about. I would NEVER, EVER opt to kick off in OT, because even if you settle for a FG, the other team STILL needs to put points on the board to keep the game going. It IS sudden death (of a sort) after all.
(And by the way, this is the case in hockey too; if I win the face-off, and take the puck down and score, we don't give the other team "one breakout chance".)
Either way, the ire is just that the Pats are good at this. If you made OT a full 15 minute quarter, there'd still be the problem, because in the last two games, Brady put together a drive in each game that ate more than half the quarter. I think if he drove the ball down, scored a TD and ate 8, 9 minutes out of the quarter, people would still find a way to complain.
I know it isn't relevant because the team with the ball first has an advantage.
And your hockey analogy is poor because a face-off involves both teams with an opportunity to win with a players skill, which isn't the case with a coin flip.
Bart just proved - with stats - that there IS no advantage, or at least not a statistically significant one. And there IS ability involved; please don't try to make your case that what Brady did was not skillful or significant in the outcome.
re-read what I wrote, both teams have a chance to win a hockey face-off due to skill, there is no skill involved in a coin flip at midfield.
I read that. I'm not sure why you're arguing this. I'm at a loss. "Coin flip" doesn't determine the winner. You still have to play. Of 87 games, the coin toss winner won 45 times. That's a 51.7% winning percentage. Over 87 games that's basically 50-50. That's NOT an advantage, except in the most technical of senses. (You should also know that despite there being "skill" involved, most hockey teams fall in the 48-52% range in winning face-offs, and, despite conventional wisdom, there is almost no correlation between winning face-offs and winning games; it's essentially a coin flip).
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The amazing thing is NE did everything they wanted to do - shut down Hill and Kelce, protected Brady, ran the ball, got pressure on Mahomes all day, etc. - and still needed OT to win.
That kind of misses the point of "Belichick Football", though; the only word in that entire sentence that has any meaning to Belichick is "win". Doesn't matter how, when, or who. Just "win".
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Bill Belichick has said it before. I should be able to challenge everything. Still only have the 2 challenges.
Let have t like the NHL were the main office reviews the calls. It would move the game so much faster.
I'm not sure that would make sense. If they make it so judgement calls like PI are review able, they would just be rejudging judgement calls. The way it is now, the only things that can be reviewed are black and white plays - goal line, out of bounds, fumbles, etc.... where clear black and white evidence can be observed. PI is a judgement call. Sure the one in the Saints/Rams game was over the top obvious, but most aren't going to be that obvious.
I think it's clearly frustrating for Saints fans, I know I'd be ticked, but overall, I think it's just part of the game.
Take a read. Kev, you too.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/03/bill-belichick-why-not-let-coaches-challenge-everything/
Yeah I get his stance, he wants control, not surprising :lol
I still think it's a bad idea, a slippery slope, and that it doesn't make a ton of sense. What makes more sense, like I said, is to have clear, provable, black and white rules be reviewed. PI, for example, is not that.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/03/bill-belichick-why-not-let-coaches-challenge-everything/
I get the logic. I just think it is a slippery slope.
Imagine a game-winning TD at the end of a game being overturned because a challenge flag was thrown and the ref decided an offensive lineman held (which, as I said before, can be hold on nearly every play).
They still limit the amount you can challenge. For me, if your going to have this technology then everything is open. If not get rid of challenges. HDTV has ruined this part of the game. We fans see too much now. LOL
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That’s a good point Joe. People sitting on their couch should not have a better advantage than the people that actually have to make the calls.
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If the current rules are okay, how come no team EVER has put their defense on the field first in OT after winning the toss?
That's not really relevant, though, because regardless of whether the other team touches the ball, you DO need points, and there's no "second half kickoff" to strategize about. I would NEVER, EVER opt to kick off in OT, because even if you settle for a FG, the other team STILL needs to put points on the board to keep the game going. It IS sudden death (of a sort) after all.
(And by the way, this is the case in hockey too; if I win the face-off, and take the puck down and score, we don't give the other team "one breakout chance".)
Either way, the ire is just that the Pats are good at this. If you made OT a full 15 minute quarter, there'd still be the problem, because in the last two games, Brady put together a drive in each game that ate more than half the quarter. I think if he drove the ball down, scored a TD and ate 8, 9 minutes out of the quarter, people would still find a way to complain.
I know it isn't relevant because the team with the ball first has an advantage.
And your hockey analogy is poor because a face-off involves both teams with an opportunity to win with a players skill, which isn't the case with a coin flip.
Bart just proved - with stats - that there IS no advantage, or at least not a statistically significant one. And there IS ability involved; please don't try to make your case that what Brady did was not skillful or significant in the outcome.
re-read what I wrote, both teams have a chance to win a hockey face-off due to skill, there is no skill involved in a coin flip at midfield.
I read that. I'm not sure why you're arguing this. I'm at a loss. "Coin flip" doesn't determine the winner. You still have to play. Of 87 games, the coin toss winner won 45 times. That's a 51.7% winning percentage. Over 87 games that's basically 50-50. That's NOT an advantage, except in the most technical of senses. (You should also know that despite there being "skill" involved, most hockey teams fall in the 48-52% range in winning face-offs, and, despite conventional wisdom, there is almost no correlation between winning face-offs and winning games; it's essentially a coin flip).
would it surprise you to know that since the overtime rules changed in 2012, 4-of-6 playoff OT games have been 1st possession wins?
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They still limit the amount you can challenge. For me, if your going to have this technology then everything is open. If not get rid of challenges. HDTV has ruined this part of the game. We fans see too much now. LOL
That’s a good point Joe. People sitting on their couch should not have a better advantage than the people that actually have to make the calls.
Well I get what you guys are saying, but the game is played for the fans, not the players or the coaches. So it actually kinda makes sense that the fans can see an ever-increasing amount of replays and angles. That's what the NFL wants, it keeps conversation and coverage pointed their way, good or bad, it doesn't matter. The NFL has shown us, in a variety of ways, that they consider all press good press.
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would it surprise you to know that since the overtime rules changed in 2012, 4-of-6 playoff OT games have been 1st possession wins?
The OT rules actually took effect in the 2010 playoffs, and were applied to the regular season in 2012.
So really it's 5-of-7 (2011 Tim Tebow 80 yard TD on the first play of OT)
Actually, it's only 5-of-8, I missed another
2011: Broncos beat the Steelers on the first play of OT.
Giants beat the 49ers in OT, but not on the first possession.
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would it surprise you to know that since the overtime rules changed in 2012, 4-of-6 playoff OT games have been 1st possession wins?
Not really. For one thing you're more likely to come across elite players who can takeover a game. I listed the four this season which were mammoth drives by Brees, Rogers, Brady, and Ezekiel Elliot. Another thing is that there is no playing for a tie in the playoffs. Like I mentioned, NE always seems to play with some authority, looking TD or bust in OT.
And like I said before (and Kev later hinted at), the missed kick rule applies. When some lout goes out and misses a 37yd game winner, the team doesn't blame him. Every player on the team will say there were plays that they could have made that wouldn't have put him in that situation. Don't want to lose the coin toss? Don't let the game go into OT.
And for those people bent out of shape about it, the league probably will change the rules. The NFL is content to leave things alone, but something that seems to favor the Patriots is always a big impetus for a rule change.
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The playoff rules are fine IMO just because the Patriots won doesn't mean we need to change anything. To me, if you drive the field in the NFL in OT you did enough to win at that point in the game.
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my arguments have ZERO to do with the Patriots.
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My comment wasnt directed at you, just a general statement on my feelings and I do feel like many people are mad about this simply because it ended up with the Patriots winning.
in other news
do we have laser gate? https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-investigating-laser-pointed-patriots-tom-brady-arrowhead-stands-151156296.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-investigating-laser-pointed-patriots-tom-brady-arrowhead-stands-151156296.html)
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do we have laser gate? https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-investigating-laser-pointed-patriots-tom-brady-arrowhead-stands-151156296.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-investigating-laser-pointed-patriots-tom-brady-arrowhead-stands-151156296.html)
How can there be a gate where the Patriots are victims? :lol
Pretty sure this happened a lot in one of the Mexico City games. I'm not sure it's ever been a problem for QBs. It screws with pilots because they're in a somewhat dark environment, focused onto a narrow field of vision, and behind glass that reflects the laser about. I'm not sure a QB would notice such a thing even if it glanced over his eyes.
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Yea, I'd be curious if Brady even was aware and if it had any impact. You'd think he would have complained if it did get in his eyes. But yea, if this was reversed and Mahommes had the laser, it would certainly be lasergate.
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If the current rules are okay, how come no team EVER has put their defense on the field first in OT after winning the toss?
That's not really relevant, though, because regardless of whether the other team touches the ball, you DO need points, and there's no "second half kickoff" to strategize about. I would NEVER, EVER opt to kick off in OT, because even if you settle for a FG, the other team STILL needs to put points on the board to keep the game going. It IS sudden death (of a sort) after all.
(And by the way, this is the case in hockey too; if I win the face-off, and take the puck down and score, we don't give the other team "one breakout chance".)
Either way, the ire is just that the Pats are good at this. If you made OT a full 15 minute quarter, there'd still be the problem, because in the last two games, Brady put together a drive in each game that ate more than half the quarter. I think if he drove the ball down, scored a TD and ate 8, 9 minutes out of the quarter, people would still find a way to complain.
I know it isn't relevant because the team with the ball first has an advantage.
And your hockey analogy is poor because a face-off involves both teams with an opportunity to win with a players skill, which isn't the case with a coin flip.
Bart just proved - with stats - that there IS no advantage, or at least not a statistically significant one. And there IS ability involved; please don't try to make your case that what Brady did was not skillful or significant in the outcome.
re-read what I wrote, both teams have a chance to win a hockey face-off due to skill, there is no skill involved in a coin flip at midfield.
I read that. I'm not sure why you're arguing this. I'm at a loss. "Coin flip" doesn't determine the winner. You still have to play. Of 87 games, the coin toss winner won 45 times. That's a 51.7% winning percentage. Over 87 games that's basically 50-50. That's NOT an advantage, except in the most technical of senses. (You should also know that despite there being "skill" involved, most hockey teams fall in the 48-52% range in winning face-offs, and, despite conventional wisdom, there is almost no correlation between winning face-offs and winning games; it's essentially a coin flip).
would it surprise you to know that since the overtime rules changed in 2012, 4-of-6 playoff OT games have been 1st possession wins?
Nope. Six is not a meaningful sample. That's one win away from... 50-50. Which is no advantage.
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do we have laser gate? https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-investigating-laser-pointed-patriots-tom-brady-arrowhead-stands-151156296.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-investigating-laser-pointed-patriots-tom-brady-arrowhead-stands-151156296.html)
How can there be a gate where the Patriots are victims? :lol
Pretty sure this happened a lot in one of the Mexico City games. I'm not sure it's ever been a problem for QBs. It screws with pilots because they're in a somewhat dark environment, focused onto a narrow field of vision, and behind glass that reflects the laser about. I'm not sure a QB would notice such a thing even if it glanced over his eyes.
And rock stars. It's deadly for rock stars.
https://youtu.be/Vdaq2L2MWy4
https://youtu.be/1w-OiSag0iM
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I don't think you need statistics to show that the coin flip is a random means of conferring an obvious advantage to whoever wins the coin flip. The outcome in a small sample size does not necessarily reflect that. I think this is one of those cases where you can just step back and use some "common sense" to know that it confers an artificial advantage.
But that said--so what?
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The amazing thing is NE did everything they wanted to do - shut down Hill and Kelce, protected Brady, ran the ball, got pressure on Mahomes all day, etc. - and still needed OT to win.
That kind of misses the point of "Belichick Football", though; the only word in that entire sentence that has any meaning to Belichick is "win". Doesn't matter how, when, or who. Just "win".
I am pretty sure every coach wants to win; that is not exclusive to Belichick.
And despite the win, I guarantee you that he was pissed that it was so close given that they did everything they wanted to do and prevented KC from doing most of the things they wanted to do. Go look at the total yards and time of possession. He knows they can't dick around like that against the Rams in two weeks and win.
And just think, despite all of that domination, if Dee Ford doesn't line up in the neutral zone, the Patriots lose because Brady throws what is essentially a game-ending INT, his 3rd of the game.
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do we have laser gate? https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-investigating-laser-pointed-patriots-tom-brady-arrowhead-stands-151156296.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/nfl-investigating-laser-pointed-patriots-tom-brady-arrowhead-stands-151156296.html)
How can there be a gate where the Patriots are victims? :lol
Pretty sure this happened a lot in one of the Mexico City games. I'm not sure it's ever been a problem for QBs. It screws with pilots because they're in a somewhat dark environment, focused onto a narrow field of vision, and behind glass that reflects the laser about. I'm not sure a QB would notice such a thing even if it glanced over his eyes.
And rock stars. It's deadly for rock stars.
https://youtu.be/Vdaq2L2MWy4
https://youtu.be/1w-OiSag0iM
He's the Starchild. Why didn't he just return fire?
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I don't think you need statistics to show that the coin flip is a random means of conferring an obvious advantage to whoever wins the coin flip. The outcome in a small sample size does not necessarily reflect that. I think this is one of those cases where you can just step back and use some "common sense" to know that it confers an artificial advantage.
But that said--so what?
Except that it's really not an "obvious" advantage. Even before the rule change in 2012 the winning percentage for the coin-toss winner was 52%. That doesn't take into account winning on the first possession, either.
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The amazing thing is NE did everything they wanted to do - shut down Hill and Kelce, protected Brady, ran the ball, got pressure on Mahomes all day, etc. - and still needed OT to win.
That kind of misses the point of "Belichick Football", though; the only word in that entire sentence that has any meaning to Belichick is "win". Doesn't matter how, when, or who. Just "win".
I am pretty sure every coach wants to win; that is not exclusive to Belichick.
And despite the win, I guarantee you that he was pissed that it was so close given that they did everything they wanted to do and prevented KC from doing most of the things they wanted to do. Go look at the total yards and time of possession. He knows they can't dick around like that against the Rams in two weeks and win.
And just think, despite all of that domination, if Dee Ford doesn't line up in the neutral zone, the Patriots lose because Brady throws what is essentially a game-ending INT, his 3rd of the game.
Do you know how many times I said coulda shoulda in Pat's Superbowls?
All of them. You make it sound like the teams the Pats are playing against lester teams. KC was the better team this year.
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Do you know how many times I said coulda shoulda in Pat's Superbowls?
All of them. You make it sound like the teams the Pats are playing against lester teams. KC was the better team this year.
I haven't seen a Lester team in the SB since SB XV.
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I don't think you need statistics to show that the coin flip is a random means of conferring an obvious advantage to whoever wins the coin flip. The outcome in a small sample size does not necessarily reflect that. I think this is one of those cases where you can just step back and use some "common sense" to know that it confers an artificial advantage.
But that said--so what?
Except that it's really not an "obvious" advantage. Even before the rule change in 2012 the winning percentage for the coin-toss winner was 52%. That doesn't take into account winning on the first possession, either.
And what I am saying is that merely looking at W/L statistics do not tell us whether or not there is an advantage. That statistic is meaningless. It only tells us what happened after the fact. It does not tell us why, and it does not tell us whether there is any correlation to winning the toss. There are too many other variables. But virtually all of them tell us that winning the toss is usually an advantage.
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Even before the rule change in 2012 the winning percentage for the coin-toss winner was 52%. That doesn't take into account winning on the first possession, either.
Thinking about that statistic, makes me wonder if as we got closer to 2012 the percentages were trending towards the coin toss winner? I say that, without any data as I wonder, because the game has become so offensive that kicking a field goal would become easier to do. And now changing it to a TD, maybe we will see over time, that it starts trending towards being more favorable to the coin toss winner as the game continues to get more offensive.
I think college does OT better, as in, I think it's more exciting. But the NFL way keeps it more of a continuation of the real game and not making it into a mini game which is good too.
Also, about the coin toss, in college even with both teams getting equal shots, the winner of the coin toss is always going to chose to defend first, so it's not that different than the NFL coin toss always chosing to get the ball. There's advantages based on the style of OT.
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the game has become so offensive
Well, yes. But that's a different conversation.
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Do you know how many times I said coulda shoulda in Pat's Superbowls?
All of them. You make it sound like the teams the Pats are playing against lester teams. KC was the better team this year.
I haven't seen a Lester team in the SB since SB XV.
Wicked Lester?
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Best Tweet of the night was:
@RyanBrownWJOX
"If @tonyromo ever tells you tomorrow is your last day on Earth, you best get your affairs in order."
:lol :lol :lol :lol
Dude really does know his shit. Not only does he know what's coming next, he remembers everything that happened. I'm just as impressed with his ability to point out patterns as they develop. Gruden was the same way.
I just wish he'd learn that not every second of the game requires analysis. Sometimes the sound of the game is more entertaining than his nonstop exposition.
He's not used to being in a stadium this late in the season. He might simply be over-excited...
A couple pages late, but this had me :rollin
Was listening to Hugh Millen the other day, and he is a big fan of Romo in the booth. But also said that other top tier guys like Aikman could prognosticate plays like Romo does, it just isn't their style to do so.
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I don't think you need statistics to show that the coin flip is a random means of conferring an obvious advantage to whoever wins the coin flip. The outcome in a small sample size does not necessarily reflect that. I think this is one of those cases where you can just step back and use some "common sense" to know that it confers an artificial advantage.
But that said--so what?
Except that it's really not an "obvious" advantage. Even before the rule change in 2012 the winning percentage for the coin-toss winner was 52%. That doesn't take into account winning on the first possession, either.
And what I am saying is that merely looking at W/L statistics do not tell us whether or not there is an advantage. That statistic is meaningless. It only tells us what happened after the fact. It does not tell us why, and it does not tell us whether there is any correlation to winning the toss. There are too many other variables. But virtually all of them tell us that winning the toss is usually an advantage.
Ah, OK. I get it. It's a definite advantage that might help half the teams win half the time.
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Even before the rule change in 2012 the winning percentage for the coin-toss winner was 52%. That doesn't take into account winning on the first possession, either.
Thinking about that statistic, makes me wonder if as we got closer to 2012 the percentages were trending towards the coin toss winner? I say that, without any data as I wonder, because the game has become so offensive that kicking a field goal would become easier to do. And now changing it to a TD, maybe we will see over time, that it starts trending towards being more favorable to the coin toss winner as the game continues to get more offensive.
I think college does OT better, as in, I think it's more exciting. But the NFL way keeps it more of a continuation of the real game and not making it into a mini game which is good too.
Also, about the coin toss, in college even with both teams getting equal shots, the winner of the coin toss is always going to chose to defend first, so it's not that different than the NFL coin toss always chosing to get the ball. There's advantages based on the style of OT.
They changed the rule in 2012 for the same reason we're seeing now. People got tired of seeing the team that won the toss score on their first possession. It's all about optics and making the viewers happy.
Count me in the camp that doesn't want anything to to with mini-games. Let's keep it about football.
And yeah, if they institute a new Patriots Overtime rule, where the other team is guaranteed a possession, you'll see everybody chose to kickoff. There's a definite benefit to knowing what you've got to score rather than scoring and hoping it's enough.
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Count me in the camp that doesn't want anything to to with mini-games.
This.
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I don't think you need statistics to show that the coin flip is a random means of conferring an obvious advantage to whoever wins the coin flip. The outcome in a small sample size does not necessarily reflect that. I think this is one of those cases where you can just step back and use some "common sense" to know that it confers an artificial advantage.
But that said--so what?
Except that it's really not an "obvious" advantage. Even before the rule change in 2012 the winning percentage for the coin-toss winner was 52%. That doesn't take into account winning on the first possession, either.
According to this article -- https://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/06/sports/football/06overtime.html -- between 1994-2010 (the rule changed at the end of the 2010 regular season), the winning percentage for the coin toss winner was 59.8% -- 34.4% of the time on the first possession.
Do you know how many times I said coulda shoulda in Pat's Superbowls?
All of them. You make it sound like the teams the Pats are playing against lester teams. KC was the better team this year.
I haven't seen a Lester team in the SB since SB XV.
LOL (although Hayes also played in SB 18)!
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I don't think you need statistics to show that the coin flip is a random means of conferring an obvious advantage to whoever wins the coin flip. The outcome in a small sample size does not necessarily reflect that. I think this is one of those cases where you can just step back and use some "common sense" to know that it confers an artificial advantage.
But that said--so what?
Except that it's really not an "obvious" advantage. Even before the rule change in 2012 the winning percentage for the coin-toss winner was 52%. That doesn't take into account winning on the first possession, either.
And what I am saying is that merely looking at W/L statistics do not tell us whether or not there is an advantage. That statistic is meaningless. It only tells us what happened after the fact. It does not tell us why, and it does not tell us whether there is any correlation to winning the toss. There are too many other variables. But virtually all of them tell us that winning the toss is usually an advantage.
I don't really agree with the bolded part. The whole point of a "correlation" is that, if A happens, then B also happens X% of the time. However, I think 25 years of the team winning the toss winning the game nearly 60% of the time is a significant advantage. I also think it's a significant advantage that the team winning the toss won without the other team possessing the ball almost 35% of the time (as compared to the 0% win percentage for the other team under the same circumstances). To me, this is more of a "feel" argument than anything else: it simply doesn't feel right that a random event (coin toss) gives one team the possibility of ending the game without the other team ever having possessed the ball (note that I did not say "opportunity to possess" because the team starting on defense does have an opportunity to possess by stopping the offense on downs or with a turnover).
I'm inclined to say that, in the playoffs, the teams should play a full quarter, and then, if the game is still tied, the college rule goes into effect.
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I don't think you need statistics to show that the coin flip is a random means of conferring an obvious advantage to whoever wins the coin flip. The outcome in a small sample size does not necessarily reflect that. I think this is one of those cases where you can just step back and use some "common sense" to know that it confers an artificial advantage.
But that said--so what?
Except that it's really not an "obvious" advantage. Even before the rule change in 2012 the winning percentage for the coin-toss winner was 52%. That doesn't take into account winning on the first possession, either.
According to this article -- https://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/06/sports/football/06overtime.html -- between 1994-2010 (the rule changed at the end of the 2010 regular season), the winning percentage for the coin toss winner was 59.8% -- 34.4% of the time on the first possession.
My numbers were from 74-2003. I'm guessing yours began with 1994 because the spot of the kickoff was moved back to the 30, thus improving the receiving team's field position; consistency and whatnot. In any case, we're both using pre-2011 numbers. The number of "walk-off" scores has very likely decreased since then. In any case, I agree that this is a "feel" problem.
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I don't think you need statistics to show that the coin flip is a random means of conferring an obvious advantage to whoever wins the coin flip. The outcome in a small sample size does not necessarily reflect that. I think this is one of those cases where you can just step back and use some "common sense" to know that it confers an artificial advantage.
But that said--so what?
Except that it's really not an "obvious" advantage. Even before the rule change in 2012 the winning percentage for the coin-toss winner was 52%. That doesn't take into account winning on the first possession, either.
And what I am saying is that merely looking at W/L statistics do not tell us whether or not there is an advantage. That statistic is meaningless. It only tells us what happened after the fact. It does not tell us why, and it does not tell us whether there is any correlation to winning the toss. There are too many other variables. But virtually all of them tell us that winning the toss is usually an advantage.
This is very much with respect, but I'm pretty decent at math and you'll have to explain that one to me. Coin flips over time are going to approach 50-50. That's why we use it as a sort of "random number generator" (of sorts). Winning is the only outcome that matters. If coin flips favor either team 50-50, and after the coin flip each team has a 50% chance of winning (same as at the start of a game) how is there an advantage?
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Because each team does NOT have a 50/50 shot at winning at that stage in the game. There are lots of other factors that correlate besides merely the coin toss. Maybe one team has momentum and the other team has fallen flat. Maybe the team that got out to an early lead suffered a couple of key injuries as the game wore on. Maybe one team gave it all they had just to get to the end of regulation and is running on fumes. Maybe the team that just came from behind to tie it up has no business being in overtime, but got a couple of lucky plays and/or calls and dumbfoundedly arrived at a tie at the end and doesn't have what it takes to sniff another first down whether they get the ball or not. Again, too many variables. It isn't necessarily 50/50 going into overtime.
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Because each team does NOT have a 50/50 shot at winning at that stage in the game. There are lots of other factors that correlate besides merely the coin toss. Maybe one team has momentum and the other team has fallen flat. Maybe the team that got out to an early lead suffered a couple of key injuries as the game wore on. Maybe one team gave it all they had just to get to the end of regulation and is running on fumes. Maybe the team that just came from behind to tie it up has no business being in overtime, but got a couple of lucky plays and/or calls and dumbfoundedly arrived at a tie at the end and doesn't have what it takes to sniff another first down whether they get the ball or not. Again, too many variables. It isn't necessarily 50/50 going into overtime.
Well, thank you for explaining that; I understand what you mean. But, statistically speaking (that is, in the field of statistics) those variables aren't causal or even correlated. The coin flip has no bearing on whether the players are gassed or not (or vice versa). Why that's relevant is that at the point of the coin flip, one, both or none of the teams could be gassed (or injured, or mentally defeated...) but the outcome of the coin flip isn't impacted by that. In fact, the coin flip is as likely to benefit that gassed party as it is to impair them. So while I understand what you're saying - that the "win-loss" data is impacted by other variables besides the coin flip - it's a fair statistical (i.e. the field of statistics) assumption to say that those variables impact the outcome neutrally.
Short answer: none of those things make the COIN FLIP ALONE any more or less likely to result in either a win or a loss as a matter of cause and effect.
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For clarity, the rule change was applied to the 2010 Playoffs, and then applied to the Regular Season in 2012.
The rule happened because, like it is now, people were upset that Brett Favre didn't touch the ball during the Saints-Vikings Conference Championship OT. Brees simply drove like 30 yards and kicked a FG to win. They forced it to be a TD because it was harder, and now that TD's are apparently easier to come by, people seem to be upset again.
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I don't think you need statistics to show that the coin flip is a random means of conferring an obvious advantage to whoever wins the coin flip. The outcome in a small sample size does not necessarily reflect that. I think this is one of those cases where you can just step back and use some "common sense" to know that it confers an artificial advantage.
But that said--so what?
Except that it's really not an "obvious" advantage. Even before the rule change in 2012 the winning percentage for the coin-toss winner was 52%. That doesn't take into account winning on the first possession, either.
And what I am saying is that merely looking at W/L statistics do not tell us whether or not there is an advantage. That statistic is meaningless. It only tells us what happened after the fact. It does not tell us why, and it does not tell us whether there is any correlation to winning the toss. There are too many other variables. But virtually all of them tell us that winning the toss is usually an advantage.
This is very much with respect, but I'm pretty decent at math and you'll have to explain that one to me. Coin flips over time are going to approach 50-50. That's why we use it as a sort of "random number generator" (of sorts). Winning is the only outcome that matters. If coin flips favor either team 50-50, and after the coin flip each team has a 50% chance of winning (same as at the start of a game) how is there an advantage?
Eh? After the coin flip, each team does not have a 50% chance of winning. I'm sure there have been one or two times when the team winning the OT coin flip has elected to start on defense, but the overwhelming majority of OT coin flip winners elect to receive. WHY? Because the team in possession of the ball has a far greater likelihood of scoring than the team not in possession. Is it the only thing that matters? Of course not. Is it necessarily the most important thing? Maybe not, but it is a completely random event that confers at least some advantage to the winner, if not a significant advantage, and the whole point of changing the rule is to eliminate or minimize the importance of a random event.
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The best argument to y'alls point is that shit happens. I'm very much of the opinion that D matters in OT, and that KC couldn't prevent NE from converting 3 different third downs is entirely on them. Make a play, get the ball back, score, don't whine. However, I'm almost certain that Green Bay didn't expect Larry Fitzgerald to run seventy-five yards for a game winner in OT. That's why you always take the ball. When somebody wins quickly in OT I understand why people don't like it. You give up a long drive and that's your own damn fault. KC fans should be pissed at their D and not the rules. (Assuming they actually are--it might just be everybody else that's complaining.)
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What did all you crybabies do in the old days when a field goal would win it?
At least if you stop a TD, you have a chance.
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What did all you crybabies do in the old days when a field goal would win it?
At least if you stop a TD, you have a chance.
Exactly. I really wonder if KC had won with a TD on the first drive in OT, if people would be talking about the OT rules. The rules are fine. If you give up a TD, you deserve to lose. In NFL OT, you still get 2/3 of the sides of the ball on the field, special teams and offense/defense at minimum. There's plenty of opportunity to win if you play defense first, heck just look at the earlier game where NO had the ball first and lost in OT because the defense showed up.
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So, apparently, some people can't understand why the Chik-Fil-A in section 123 will not be open for business during the SB despite that every single CFA around the country is closed every Sunday of the year. :lol
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So, apparently, some people can't understand why the Chik-Fil-A in section 123 will not be open for business during the SB despite that every single CFA around the country is closed every Sunday of the year. :lol
:lol I remember hearing about this when they were building that stadium and how it was kind of ridiculous for the stadium to allow a CFA being they wouldn't even be open for the NFL games, kind of forgot about that until now. While I can't fault them for holding their traditions, it does seem a bit odd to, I assume, pay rent for something that you aren't going to use on the biggest event.
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So, apparently, some people can't understand why the Chik-Fil-A in section 123 will not be open for business during the SB despite that every single CFA around the country is closed every Sunday of the year. :lol
:lol I remember hearing about this when they were building that stadium and how it was kind of ridiculous for the stadium to allow a CFA being they wouldn't even be open for the NFL games, kind of forgot about that until now. While I can't fault them for holding their traditions, it does seem a bit odd to, I assume, pay rent for something that you aren't going to use on the biggest event.
I never knew there was one in the stadium. Yeah, that's peculiar.
Also, I wonder if they're required to have the "fan friendly pricing," like the other concessions in there. If not they'd actually be undercut by the typical Aramark offerings (which are likely better anyway).
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Well, they aren't very expensive anyway, so I doubt it's an issue. But as I've said in the past, I just don't really get the obsession with them. They aren't bad. But if I have to eat fast food, they usually aren't going to be my first choice given other options.
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Well, they aren't very expensive anyway, so I doubt it's an issue. But as I've said in the past, I just don't really get the obsession with them. They aren't bad. But if I have to eat fast food, they usually aren't going to be my first choice given other options.
Unless, however, you are with me. In that case, you will eat CFA in all its glory. :corn :corn :lol
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The stadium is used for more than Sunday NFL games. Heck Chic Fila sponsors the Peach Bowl which is played there.
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Well, they aren't very expensive anyway, so I doubt it's an issue. But as I've said in the past, I just don't really get the obsession with them. They aren't bad. But if I have to eat fast food, they usually aren't going to be my first choice given other options.
Unless, however, you are with me. In that case, you will eat CFA in all its glory. :corn :corn :lol
I did go through a phase where I was into their chicken biscuits and coffee for breakfast. But aside from that, I think I could count on two hands the times I have been to CFA for lunch/dinner without you, and most of those were at the insistence of my kids. :lol
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It was crazy when a CFA opened by my house. It was sharing a lot with a popular home improvement store, and they had cops out directing traffic in the parking lot, and even at the cross street for a couple days. There were lines at the drive-thru 20 cars long. It's a f*cking chicken sandwich!
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The stadium is used for more than Sunday NFL games. Heck Chic Fila sponsors the Peach Bowl which is played there.
Yea, that's their reasoning for being there, they still do business to make it worth it I guess.
It was crazy when a CFA opened by my house. It was sharing a lot with a popular home improvement store, and they had cops out directing traffic in the parking lot, and even at the cross street for a couple days. There were lines at the drive-thru 20 cars long. It's a f*cking chicken sandwich!
The CFA near my parents in Jacksonville has people outside taking our order for the drive through before you even get to the traditional order screen for when its super busy. THey do that for the In n Outs I've been to in LA. It's kind of crazy how people really do love this stuff. I think it's really solid fast food, but I am not waiting in some crazy line for it as that defeats the "fast" part.
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Some interesting (and mostly serious) potential options for overtime fixes.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/1/23/18194165/overtime-rule-changes
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The CFA near my parents in Jacksonville has people outside taking our order for the drive through before you even get to the traditional order screen for when its super busy. THey do that for the In n Outs I've been to in LA. It's kind of crazy how people really do love this stuff. I think it's really solid fast food, but I am not waiting in some crazy line for it as that defeats the "fast" part.
Yeah, I was bitching about that the other day. They opened one around the corner of the shop and it creates traffic jams everyday. People spend 30 minutes of their lunch hour just waiting in a goddamn drive-through line to get a crappy sandwich. There's something very wrong with these people.
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What did all you crybabies do in the old days when a field goal would win it?
At least if you stop a TD, you have a chance.
Exactly. I really wonder if KC had won with a TD on the first drive in OT, if people would be talking about the OT rules. The rules are fine. If you give up a TD, you deserve to lose. In NFL OT, you still get 2/3 of the sides of the ball on the field, special teams and offense/defense at minimum. There's plenty of opportunity to win if you play defense first, heck just look at the earlier game where NO had the ball first and lost in OT because the defense showed up.
FWIW, I'm not whining over the rules, I'm just joining a discussion about a rule that I've always viewed as flawed.
So, apparently, some people can't understand why the Chik-Fil-A in section 123 will not be open for business during the SB despite that every single CFA around the country is closed every Sunday of the year. :lol
What I can't understand is why the company pays for a space in a facility whose primary purpose is to host sporting events that are held primarily on Sundays. But I guess the company wouldn't do it if it weren't profitable.
The CFA near my parents in Jacksonville has people outside taking our order for the drive through before you even get to the traditional order screen for when its super busy. THey do that for the In n Outs I've been to in LA. It's kind of crazy how people really do love this stuff. I think it's really solid fast food, but I am not waiting in some crazy line for it as that defeats the "fast" part.
In-n-Out is overrated AF. Both Fatburger and 5-Guys are WAY better. The shopping center near my house has both an I&O and a CFA. The part of the center where the CFA is located is a mess when the drive-thru overflows. The I&O has had an outside order person for a long time, and the CFA now has one also. Both my wife and kids get cravings for CFA on Sundays.
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The CFA near my parents in Jacksonville has people outside taking our order for the drive through before you even get to the traditional order screen for when its super busy. THey do that for the In n Outs I've been to in LA. It's kind of crazy how people really do love this stuff. I think it's really solid fast food, but I am not waiting in some crazy line for it as that defeats the "fast" part.
Yeah, I was bitching about that the other day. They opened one around the corner of the shop and it creates traffic jams everyday. People spend 30 minutes of their lunch hour just waiting in a goddamn drive-through line to get a crappy sandwich. There's something very wrong with these people.
Agreed. Get off your lazy asses and go inside! We have a CFA about five minutes from work and I probably go there 1-2 times a week for lunch, and I never do the drive through. Bunch of lazy asses. Yeah, sit there in the drive through for 30 minutes, while I go inside and am back in my car with my hot food in a matter of minutes.
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I hate going through the drive thru for anything. Unless I'm only getting a cup of coffee. EVERYWHERE will fuck up a food order.
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Exactly. And I always check my food before leaving to make sure it is correct (since I get the grilled chicken sandwich plain, and then add the honey BBQ sauce once I eat it).
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The CFA near my parents in Jacksonville has people outside taking our order for the drive through before you even get to the traditional order screen for when its super busy. THey do that for the In n Outs I've been to in LA. It's kind of crazy how people really do love this stuff. I think it's really solid fast food, but I am not waiting in some crazy line for it as that defeats the "fast" part.
Yeah, I was bitching about that the other day. They opened one around the corner of the shop and it creates traffic jams everyday. People spend 30 minutes of their lunch hour just waiting in a goddamn drive-through line to get a crappy sandwich. There's something very wrong with these people.
Agreed. Get off your lazy asses and go inside! We have a CFA about five minutes from work and I probably go there 1-2 times a week for lunch, and I never do the drive through. Bunch of lazy asses. Yeah, sit there in the drive through for 30 minutes, while I go inside and am back in my car with my hot food in a matter of minutes.
At the one I'm referring to you'll wait just as long for a parking space. It was a converted Del Taco, and they never even dreamed of needing more than 8 spaces. :lol In fact, I'm not even sure if dining in is an option. I don't see how one could actually get into their parking lot because of the drive-through traffic. On top of that, they share an entrance with a BK, and they've very likely rendered it impossible to get into their place. It really made me hate CFA a whole lot more than simply the Jesus thing.
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I don't think you need statistics to show that the coin flip is a random means of conferring an obvious advantage to whoever wins the coin flip. The outcome in a small sample size does not necessarily reflect that. I think this is one of those cases where you can just step back and use some "common sense" to know that it confers an artificial advantage.
But that said--so what?
Except that it's really not an "obvious" advantage. Even before the rule change in 2012 the winning percentage for the coin-toss winner was 52%. That doesn't take into account winning on the first possession, either.
And what I am saying is that merely looking at W/L statistics do not tell us whether or not there is an advantage. That statistic is meaningless. It only tells us what happened after the fact. It does not tell us why, and it does not tell us whether there is any correlation to winning the toss. There are too many other variables. But virtually all of them tell us that winning the toss is usually an advantage.
This is very much with respect, but I'm pretty decent at math and you'll have to explain that one to me. Coin flips over time are going to approach 50-50. That's why we use it as a sort of "random number generator" (of sorts). Winning is the only outcome that matters. If coin flips favor either team 50-50, and after the coin flip each team has a 50% chance of winning (same as at the start of a game) how is there an advantage?
Eh? After the coin flip, each team does not have a 50% chance of winning. I'm sure there have been one or two times when the team winning the OT coin flip has elected to start on defense, but the overwhelming majority of OT coin flip winners elect to receive. WHY? Because the team in possession of the ball has a far greater likelihood of scoring than the team not in possession. Is it the only thing that matters? Of course not. Is it necessarily the most important thing? Maybe not, but it is a completely random event that confers at least some advantage to the winner, if not a significant advantage, and the whole point of changing the rule is to eliminate or minimize the importance of a random event.
Relative to the coin flip they do (the coin flip does not know or care who the QB is on either side). I'm using Bart's numbers - 45 wins out of 87 chances, that's 51.7%. If you want to argue that's not "50%", okay, but the "1.7%" is not statistically significant.
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The CFA near my parents in Jacksonville has people outside taking our order for the drive through before you even get to the traditional order screen for when its super busy. THey do that for the In n Outs I've been to in LA. It's kind of crazy how people really do love this stuff. I think it's really solid fast food, but I am not waiting in some crazy line for it as that defeats the "fast" part.
Yeah, I was bitching about that the other day. They opened one around the corner of the shop and it creates traffic jams everyday. People spend 30 minutes of their lunch hour just waiting in a goddamn drive-through line to get a crappy sandwich. There's something very wrong with these people.
Agreed. Get off your lazy asses and go inside! We have a CFA about five minutes from work and I probably go there 1-2 times a week for lunch, and I never do the drive through. Bunch of lazy asses. Yeah, sit there in the drive through for 30 minutes, while I go inside and am back in my car with my hot food in a matter of minutes.
From my experience, it's not much quicker going inside vs the drive through all things considered, at least at In N Out where I've done both to compare a few times before. I've only had this issue once at a CFA so I can't say if their inside service is much faster.
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Exactly. And I always check my food before leaving to make sure it is correct (since I get the grilled chicken sandwich plain, and then add the honey BBQ sauce once I eat it).
But even that is flawed; fixing a wrong order at the drive-through is excruciating. Unless I have kids with me I go in.
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Exactly. And I always check my food before leaving to make sure it is correct (since I get the grilled chicken sandwich plain, and then add the honey BBQ sauce once I eat it).
But even that is flawed; fixing a wrong order at the drive-through is excruciating. Unless I have kids with me I go in.
a) they never mess up my order, and b) I always go inside, so it would be an easy fix. :biggrin:
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The CFA in my town can get busy during certain times of day, but it is NOTHING like the In N Out up the street. Doesn't matter what time you drive by that place (even after midnight), the line of cars at the drive through is always around the entire parking lot.
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What is this, the 'fast-food' thread now?
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So...Hardee's?
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Who wants to talk about the greatest franchise ever anyway? :lol
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Who wants to talk about the greatest franchise ever anyway? :lol
Hey, nobody said you couldn't talk about McDonald's here. Go right ahead! :biggrin:
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This is what happens when you have two weeks between the conference championship games and the SB.
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:lol
I can't eat at fast food restaurants anymore. Too much sodium.
This is what happens when you have two weeks between the conference championship games and the SB.
No doubt.
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This is what happens when you have two weeks between the conference championship games and the SB.
The pro bowl is this week!
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This is what happens when you have two weeks between the conference championship games and the SB.
:lol
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This is what happens when you have two weeks between the conference championship games and the SB.
The pro bowl is this week!
I'd rather have a colonoscopy than watch that game.
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This is what happens when you have two weeks between the conference championship games and the SB.
The pro bowl is this week!
I'd rather have a colonoscopy than watch that game.
I don't know as I've ever watched a pro bowl. I've certainly seen more HOF games, and those are awful.
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In my youth I loved the All Star games but as an adult, these games don't represent how the game is really played. I just can't watch them.
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I'd rather have a colonoscopy than watch that game.
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This is what happens when you have two weeks between the conference championship games and the SB.
The pro bowl is this week!
I'd rather have a colonoscopy than watch that game.
I don't know as I've ever watched a pro bowl. I've certainly seen more HOF games, and those are awful.
I enjoyed the Pro Bowl as a kid, but I can't remember the last time I watched one. Since the NHL All-Star game will be on Saturday this year (which I assume was done so as not to compete with the Pro Bowl) and there will be no hockey on Sunday, I might actually tune in for a minute or two. The NBA All-Star game is obviously the worst of the four major sports, but the Pro Bowl is a very close second. The current format of the NHL ASG is really entertaining, so it's starting to give the MLB ASG a run for its money as the best.
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When it comes to All-star Games, the NHL is the closest to capturing any kind of real game vibe. Since they went to a 3-3 format, it is fairly close to an actual 3-3 OT period. Baseball... so many substitutions, there's no flow. Basketball... the Globtrotters vs the Generals is closer to real Basketball. Football? If it wasn't in Hawaii, would anyone even go?
Not that the NHL is like a real game, but it's the closest. Players will actually play some defense once and a while.
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I'd rather have a colonoscopy than watch that game.
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Good. I'm due for one. :lol
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Yea, Id rank the all star games:
Hockey > Baseball > Basketball > Football
Football is just too physical and too much strategy to throw into a game like that and it just ends up being so uninteresting. Basketball is kind of fun but just really a shooting contest. Baseball and hockey are the closest to being real games and I just enjoy hockey more.
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Aaaannndd, now you got a lawsuit on your hands.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2019/01/24/jets-jamal-adams-tackles-patriots-mascot-hospitalized/2669326002/
It really wasn't that hard a hit, but he did land on him and and blindside him. Probably not much visibility out of that head. More importantly, though, there could have been a woman in there, or 60 year old man. From what I've read over the years being a mascot is kind of a shit job (even if you're a famous chicken). Probably not the best idea to go around blindsiding random people who might or might not be able to take it. And that goes both ways. It'd be a much funnier story if the guy in the costume got up and taekwondo'd his ass. All the more reason to know your target.
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How long will the league front office maintain they had no access to any video to review for potential disciplinary action?
When I first saw "lawsuit" thought you were going to mention how Saints fans are suing the league.
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Same here.
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Aaaannndd, now you got a lawsuit on your hands.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2019/01/24/jets-jamal-adams-tackles-patriots-mascot-hospitalized/2669326002/
It really wasn't that hard a hit, but he did land on him and and blindside him. Probably not much visibility out of that head. More importantly, though, there could have been a woman in there, or 60 year old man. From what I've read over the years being a mascot is kind of a shit job (even if you're a famous chicken). Probably not the best idea to go around blindsiding random people who might or might not be able to take it. And that goes both ways. It'd be a much funnier story if the guy in the costume got up and taekwondo'd his ass. All the more reason to know your target.
Jamal Adams is a special kind of stupid.
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What an asshole :facepalm: He should be sent home for that.
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I can't eat at fast food restaurants anymore.
I can't do fried food anymore (not that any of us should anyway), so I can't do the yummy waffle fries at CFA anymore. :( :(
CFA is the only fast food I do anymore anyway.
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ESPN gives the Rams a 52% chance to win. As an LA native I want them to win, but this is Tom f'n Brady. He's gonna go up there and pass pass pass and do his thing. I'd give them more like 35-40%. I'd be stunned if they won.
BTW I love fast food.
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I like what I saw on FB. "...and just like that, everyone's a Rams fan." :lol :rollin :lol
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Been so busy planning and working this is my first time to pop in! GO RAMS!!!!!!!!!! We are so excited!!! We won the Rams lottery for season ticket holders to be able to purchase tickets at face value, ours are $1250 each. Pretty bad seats, might need an O2 tank... :lol But hey!! We're going!!! We have 4 other friends who are going also so it should be a fun weekend!! Luckily we are also lucky that my Wife's cousin, who lives about 25 mins from the stadium is putting us up for the weekend.
As far as the game... man, facing B&B is both scary and exciting! It's Super Bowl David vs. Goliath. It's also a chance for the Rams to come full circle back to 2001!!
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Been so busy planning and working this is my first time to pop in! GO RAMS!!!!!!!!!! We are so excited!!! We won the Rams lottery for season ticket holders to be able to purchase tickets at face value, ours are $1250 each. Pretty bad seats, might need an O2 tank... :lol But hey!! We're going!!! We have 4 other friends who are going also so it should be a fun weekend!! Luckily we are also lucky that my Wife's cousin, who lives about 25 mins from the stadium is putting us up for the weekend.
As far as the game... man, facing B&B is both scary and exciting! It's Super Bowl David vs. Goliath. It's also a chance for the Rams to come full circle back to 2001!!
I can be happy for fans like you who stuck with the team after having it ripped from you, but I still hope Stan Kroenke dies in a fire. :eek :omg:
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Been so busy planning and working this is my first time to pop in! GO RAMS!!!!!!!!!! We are so excited!!! We won the Rams lottery for season ticket holders to be able to purchase tickets at face value, ours are $1250 each. Pretty bad seats, might need an O2 tank... :lol But hey!! We're going!!! We have 4 other friends who are going also so it should be a fun weekend!! Luckily we are also lucky that my Wife's cousin, who lives about 25 mins from the stadium is putting us up for the weekend.
As far as the game... man, facing B&B is both scary and exciting! It's Super Bowl David vs. Goliath. It's also a chance for the Rams to come full circle back to 2001!!
Congrats on going to the game.
The full circle bit is certainly interesting. I know Isaac Bruce's silly ass is happy about it. Dude's still bitter over a myth. I also think, should they win, it might very well be the last game for Bill, Brady, or both. That would probably top Elway's retirement in terms of going out perfectly.
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Been so busy planning and working this is my first time to pop in! GO RAMS!!!!!!!!!! We are so excited!!! We won the Rams lottery for season ticket holders to be able to purchase tickets at face value, ours are $1250 each. Pretty bad seats, might need an O2 tank... :lol But hey!! We're going!!! We have 4 other friends who are going also so it should be a fun weekend!! Luckily we are also lucky that my Wife's cousin, who lives about 25 mins from the stadium is putting us up for the weekend.
As far as the game... man, facing B&B is both scary and exciting! It's Super Bowl David vs. Goliath. It's also a chance for the Rams to come full circle back to 2001!!
Way cool man!! As a season ticket holder for the Pats from 1986 to 2012 we never won the lottery to get tickets.
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I also think, should they win, it might very well be the last game for Bill, Brady, or both. That would probably top Elway's retirement in terms of going out perfectly.
I now think there is no way that Brady retires this year, barring a catastrophic injury. Why would he? Even though he is old, he can still read defenses better than anybody, their offense is built for him to get rid of the ball quickly, and the change in rules over the years are a great benefit to players like him.
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I also think, should they win, it might very well be the last game for Bill, Brady, or both. That would probably top Elway's retirement in terms of going out perfectly.
I now think there is no way that Brady retires this year, barring a catastrophic injury. Why would he? Even though he is old, he can still read defenses better than anybody, their offense is built for him to get rid of the ball quickly, and the change in rules over the years are a great benefit to players like him.
Yeah I kinda agree with Kev on this. Getting back to the SB shows that he's still got it, and hasn't hit that wall yet. I think he'll be back.
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That's awesome Greg and the full circle thing is great... assuming it happens. But that's a really cool angle/story line going into the game. Going to be a good time for sure, I'm rooting for your Rams.
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I also think, should they win, it might very well be the last game for Bill, Brady, or both. That would probably top Elway's retirement in terms of going out perfectly.
I now think there is no way that Brady retires this year, barring a catastrophic injury. Why would he? Even though he is old, he can still read defenses better than anybody, their offense is built for him to get rid of the ball quickly, and the change in rules over the years are a great benefit to players like him.
I think more teams should do this. If a team can get to a QB with pressure why not shorten the routes to alleviate that issue?
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Been so busy planning and working this is my first time to pop in! GO RAMS!!!!!!!!!! We are so excited!!! We won the Rams lottery for season ticket holders to be able to purchase tickets at face value, ours are $1250 each. Pretty bad seats, might need an O2 tank... :lol But hey!! We're going!!! We have 4 other friends who are going also so it should be a fun weekend!! Luckily we are also lucky that my Wife's cousin, who lives about 25 mins from the stadium is putting us up for the weekend.
As far as the game... man, facing B&B is both scary and exciting! It's Super Bowl David vs. Goliath. It's also a chance for the Rams to come full circle back to 2001!!
I can be happy for fans like you who stuck with the team after having it ripped from you, but I still hope Stan Kroenke dies in a fire. :eek :omg:
I surely can't blame you or anyone for feelings like that towards an owner. I HATED Georgia for moving the Rams out of LA. My Dad, a fan since he was a kid in the 40's dumped the team. I tried, but soon found out it's just not in my nature... they're my team. I think I also came to the realization that I'm a fan of teams... not the owners. Owners come and go.
Been so busy planning and working this is my first time to pop in! GO RAMS!!!!!!!!!! We are so excited!!! We won the Rams lottery for season ticket holders to be able to purchase tickets at face value, ours are $1250 each. Pretty bad seats, might need an O2 tank... :lol But hey!! We're going!!! We have 4 other friends who are going also so it should be a fun weekend!! Luckily we are also lucky that my Wife's cousin, who lives about 25 mins from the stadium is putting us up for the weekend.
As far as the game... man, facing B&B is both scary and exciting! It's Super Bowl David vs. Goliath. It's also a chance for the Rams to come full circle back to 2001!!
Way cool man!! As a season ticket holder for the Pats from 1986 to 2012 we never won the lottery to get tickets.
Funny, I have a Pats STH friend who didn't even have a clue that it was a possibility.
That's awesome Greg and the full circle thing is great... assuming it happens. But that's a really cool angle/story line going into the game. Going to be a good time for sure, I'm rooting for your Rams.
Thanks Brotha!!! We will be Reppin from the top of the Dome! :lol
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Aaaannndd, now you got a lawsuit on your hands.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2019/01/24/jets-jamal-adams-tackles-patriots-mascot-hospitalized/2669326002/
It really wasn't that hard a hit, but he did land on him and and blindside him. Probably not much visibility out of that head. More importantly, though, there could have been a woman in there, or 60 year old man. From what I've read over the years being a mascot is kind of a shit job (even if you're a famous chicken). Probably not the best idea to go around blindsiding random people who might or might not be able to take it. And that goes both ways. It'd be a much funnier story if the guy in the costume got up and taekwondo'd his ass. All the more reason to know your target.
I didn't think of the "woman/old man" angle, so I have to contemplate that, but there's a real part of me that think the Patriot mascot needs to suck it up. I don' know the severity of any injuries, but I think one of the injuries is to pride/ego. I think there's an element of embarassment. But while it may be a dickish joke, I do think that Adams meant it as a joke, and that's my sort of humor. I'm also a little disappointed that one of the greatest sports organizations in American sports history has a mascot that can't take a hit. :)
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I also think, should they win, it might very well be the last game for Bill, Brady, or both. That would probably top Elway's retirement in terms of going out perfectly.
I now think there is no way that Brady retires this year, barring a catastrophic injury. Why would he? Even though he is old, he can still read defenses better than anybody, their offense is built for him to get rid of the ball quickly, and the change in rules over the years are a great benefit to players like him.
I think more teams should do this. If a team can get to a QB with pressure why not shorten the routes to alleviate that issue?
Easier said than done. If it was that easy, everyone WOULD be doing it. Brady's ability to see the field, his quick decision making and his release make it work for the Pats. Not every (or most) QBs can do that as well as him.
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The full circle bit is certainly interesting. I know Isaac Bruce's silly ass is happy about it. Dude's still bitter over a myth.
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But while it may be a dickish joke, I do think that Adams meant it as a joke, and that's my sort of humor.
Assault and battery is hilarious....
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The full circle bit is certainly interesting. I know Isaac Bruce's silly ass is happy about it. Dude's still bitter over a myth.
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Isaac and some of the Rams players still believe something was up with how it seemed that the Pats knew their offensive playbook. Remember, this was right at the time of "Spygate". The full circle part being the Rams loss to the Pats in that SB launched the Pats dynasty. So it would seem things have come back with the young Rams trying to be the upstarts now.
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The full circle bit is certainly interesting. I know Isaac Bruce's silly ass is happy about it. Dude's still bitter over a myth.
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Isaac and some of the Rams players still believe something was up with how it seemed that the Pats knew their offensive playbook. Remember, this was right at the time of "Spygate".
So...basically, the third paragraph of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spygate_(NFL)
Got it.
I pulled for the Patriots in SB36 and probably will be pulling (silently) for he Rams this year. When I don't have a dog in the hunt, I tend to pull for the underdog (and, regardless of what the Vegas odds might be, the Rams are the underdog).
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Aaaannndd, now you got a lawsuit on your hands.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2019/01/24/jets-jamal-adams-tackles-patriots-mascot-hospitalized/2669326002/
It really wasn't that hard a hit, but he did land on him and and blindside him. Probably not much visibility out of that head. More importantly, though, there could have been a woman in there, or 60 year old man. From what I've read over the years being a mascot is kind of a shit job (even if you're a famous chicken). Probably not the best idea to go around blindsiding random people who might or might not be able to take it. And that goes both ways. It'd be a much funnier story if the guy in the costume got up and taekwondo'd his ass. All the more reason to know your target.
I didn't think of the "woman/old man" angle, so I have to contemplate that, but there's a real part of me that think the Patriot mascot needs to suck it up. I don' know the severity of any injuries, but I think one of the injuries is to pride/ego. I think there's an element of embarassment. But while it may be a dickish joke, I do think that Adams meant it as a joke, and that's my sort of humor. I'm also a little disappointed that one of the greatest sports organizations in American sports history has a mascot that can't take a hit. :)
Pride's not going to be a factor since nobody would ever recognize the guy inside the suit. (His name is known, and he's done an interview or two, but he's not Tom Brady.). And I agree completely that it was done in good spirit. I wouldn't expect the league to punish him or anything. I do think it's careless to tackle somebody if you don't know if he's built to withstand it, though. You discuss these things in advance. And my hunch is that the dude hurt his back. He landed squarely on it with a 240lb gorilla on top of him. I think he went to the hospital the next day, so it apparently crept up on him. In any case, I woulnd't go calling it assault and battery, but I'd certainly sue the fuck out of him for it.
And the cool move would have been to send him back out with the endzone militia there to back him up. There's your mascot that doesn't need to take a hit.
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I also think, should they win, it might very well be the last game for Bill, Brady, or both. That would probably top Elway's retirement in terms of going out perfectly.
I now think there is no way that Brady retires this year, barring a catastrophic injury. Why would he? Even though he is old, he can still read defenses better than anybody, their offense is built for him to get rid of the ball quickly, and the change in rules over the years are a great benefit to players like him.
I think more teams should do this. If a team can get to a QB with pressure why not shorten the routes to alleviate that issue?
Easier said than done. If it was that easy, everyone WOULD be doing it. Brady's ability to see the field, his quick decision making and his release make it work for the Pats. Not every (or most) QBs can do that as well as him.
I get that but how many times have you known as a fan that a blitz is coming and no one breaks a route, or has a set safety valve ready? That's coaching.
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I also think, should they win, it might very well be the last game for Bill, Brady, or both. That would probably top Elway's retirement in terms of going out perfectly.
I now think there is no way that Brady retires this year, barring a catastrophic injury. Why would he? Even though he is old, he can still read defenses better than anybody, their offense is built for him to get rid of the ball quickly, and the change in rules over the years are a great benefit to players like him.
I think more teams should do this. If a team can get to a QB with pressure why not shorten the routes to alleviate that issue?
Easier said than done. If it was that easy, everyone WOULD be doing it. Brady's ability to see the field, his quick decision making and his release make it work for the Pats. Not every (or most) QBs can do that as well as him.
I get that but how many times have you known as a fan that a blitz is coming and no one breaks a route, or has a set safety valve ready? That's coaching.
Well right, the other factor is that Bill is a better coach than pretty much anyone he goes up against. B&B are arguably the best ever at their respective positions, they make it look easy. Just because they make it look easy sometimes doesn't mean it's actually easy to do. That's what makes them great.
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I also think, should they win, it might very well be the last game for Bill, Brady, or both. That would probably top Elway's retirement in terms of going out perfectly.
I now think there is no way that Brady retires this year, barring a catastrophic injury. Why would he? Even though he is old, he can still read defenses better than anybody, their offense is built for him to get rid of the ball quickly, and the change in rules over the years are a great benefit to players like him.
I think more teams should do this. If a team can get to a QB with pressure why not shorten the routes to alleviate that issue?
Easier said than done. If it was that easy, everyone WOULD be doing it. Brady's ability to see the field, his quick decision making and his release make it work for the Pats. Not every (or most) QBs can do that as well as him.
I get that but how many times have you known as a fan that a blitz is coming and no one breaks a route, or has a set safety valve ready? That's coaching.
I actually saw a couple of instances of the opposite last week against KC. Sort of like Kev has been on about. A few times KC showed blitz and TB unloaded the ball into the ground when nobody was coming. In any case, part of it's coaching, part of it's TB, and part of it is having receivers that are always on the same page. There's a reason he goes to 11 or 87 when he's hurried and not Dorsette. The same reason other highly gifted receivers never panned out (the aforementioned ocho-cinco certainly comes to mind). To me the receivers are just as much an integral part of what they do. That's why losing Gordon was so bad; he was starting to get it.
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Absolutely. But that has to be taught. That can be taught.
El Barto, you are dead on about when Brady can't find an open receiver he'll throw it at their feet. In this day and age that's why someone like Jimmy Garoppolo has been hurt twice. Get rid of the ball and slide and don't try to pick up the last 3 yards. QB's are not built for that.
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Absolutely. But that has to be taught. That can be taught.
El Barto, you are dead on about when Brady can't find an open receiver he'll throw it at their feet. In this day and age that's why someone like Jimmy Garoppolo has been hurt twice. Get rid of the ball and slide and don't try to pick up the last 3 yards. QB's are not built for that.
That's not really what I was suggesting. Their O is built so that Brady can unload the ball at a specific place in specific situations. He doesn't throw it into the ground on purpose. He throws it to where a receiver should be when they know there's a blitz coming, which is usually going to be something like a quick slant. When it goes right he throws it where 11 will be crossing and beat the blitz. When it doesn't, or when there isn't actually a blitz coming, he throws it to that point while 11 is running down the sideline looking for the long ball. There was a textbook example on Sunday. Brady thought blitz. There wasn't a blitz. He through it to an open spot in the middle of the field where somebody would have been had it been a blitz and his receivers were all running different routes.
This is why so many skilled guys can't play in NE (or Pitt, or several other cities where that system is employed).
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That's some plays, other time, he throws into the feet of a receiver specifically to get rid of the ball not to get hit and where no one will get to it. It's always a confluence of things that make it work. I know that but other teams should be able to do this.
The O-Line has been great this year but you'd think teams with O-Line problems would think along the lines of getting it out of their QB's hands faster. Like you said though certain players are better equipped to understand those schemes to make that successful.
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That's awesome Greg and the full circle thing is great...
Before the first Patriots-Rams game, Ricky Proehl looked into the camera and said "Tonight a dynasty begins!" He was of course referring to the Rams, as it was supposed to be their 2nd Super Bowl in 3 years, truly the beginning of a dynasty.
He was 100% correct in his prediction, though the wrong team.
How cool would it be if someone like Brandin Cooks looks into the camera next Sunday and says "Tonight a dynasty ends!"
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The Onion with the lulz: https://sports.theonion.com/tony-romo-realizes-he-should-have-used-ability-to-read-1832056460
:rollin :rollin :rollin :lol :lol
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I surely can't blame you or anyone for feelings like that towards an owner. I HATED Georgia for moving the Rams out of LA. My Dad, a fan since he was a kid in the 40's dumped the team. I tried, but soon found out it's just not in my nature... they're my team. I think I also came to the realization that I'm a fan of teams... not the owners. Owners come and go.
Very true. Plenty of fans root against owners, but nobody roots for owners.
I was admittedly a bandwagon Rams fan when they were the Greatest Show on Turf, as they were so fun to watch and the hometown team. The Broncos were still my team, but I was all-in on rooting for the Rams at the time. It was hard not to get caught in the hoopla. Once they went back to sucking, it was easy to not giving a shit, so I wasn't burned really at all when they went back to LA, but I know quite a few people who would rather pull their fingernails out with pliers than root for the Rams next week.
That's awesome Greg and the full circle thing is great...
Before the first Patriots-Rams game, Ricky Proehl looked into the camera and said "Tonight a dynasty begins!" He was of course referring to the Rams, as it was supposed to be their 2nd Super Bowl in 3 years, truly the beginning of a dynasty.
He was 100% correct in his prediction, though the wrong team.
How cool would it be if someone like Brandin Cooks looks into the camera next Sunday and says "Tonight a dynasty ends!"
Similar to the Panthers in 2015, I think the Rams went in to that Super Bowl way too over confident and it cost them the game.
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Very true. Plenty of fans root against owners, but nobody roots for owners.
I won't argue, but I think there are times where a fanbase can appreciate and respect an owner to the point of giving a little extra rah-rah in their favor. Paul Allen was highly admired in the PNW (unless you hate wealthy successful people and Capitalism like Kshama Sawant who crapped all over his legacy when he died). He bought the team when we believed the previous owner wanted to move them, wasn't stingy with his pocketbook, and gave billions of his own money to the community. Of course that is a local fan base's reaction; no one outside of Seattle is going to say "I hope that guy who found Microsoft, no not Bill Gates the other guy, wins a Super Bowl!" But as a local, I am glad he got to hold the Lombardi before he died.
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The Onion with the lulz: https://sports.theonion.com/tony-romo-realizes-he-should-have-used-ability-to-read-1832056460
:rollin :rollin :rollin :lol :lol
LOL The Onion.
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This one was even better: https://sports.theonion.com/patriots-score-2-touchdowns-against-chiefs-in-preemptiv-1831876600
Patriots Score 2 Touchdowns Against Chiefs In Preemptive Strike Before AFC Championship Game
KANSAS CITY, MO—In an effort to gain a competitive advantage against a formidable opponent, the New England Patriots scored two touchdowns against the Chiefs Friday in a preemptive strike before Sunday’s AFC Championship Game. “We knew we had to do something to catch them off guard, so we ran a no-huddle offense before they stepped onto the field and were able to get 16 points on the board after those two-point conversions,” said Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, who overcame several dropped passes and a botched snap before finding the end zone twice. “Hopefully it’ll be tough for the Chiefs to overcome this deficit—especially if we win the coin toss and can put another score on the board before they even get a possession. I think it should give our defense the opportunity to pin their ears back and get after the QB. Mahomes tends to get careless with the ball when he’s playing from behind.” At press time, Chiefs head coach Andy Reid had already squandered all of the team’s timeouts before kickoff.
:rollin
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:rollin both are pretty good
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I woulnd't go calling it assault and battery, but I'd certainly sue the fuck out of him for it.
If you're not going to call it assault and battery, what cause of action would you allege in your lawsuit? Those would be the only sensible civil causes of action, and it certainly meets the definition of battery or simple battery (and possible also assault/simple assault) under Georgia law. https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2017/title-16/chapter-5/article-2/
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I woulnd't go calling it assault and battery, but I'd certainly sue the fuck out of him for it.
If you're not going to call it assault and battery, what cause of action would you allege in your lawsuit? Those would be the only sensible civil causes of action, and it certainly meets the definition of battery or simple battery (and possible also assault/simple assault) under Georgia law. https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2017/title-16/chapter-5/article-2/
I was using A&B to refer to a potential criminal aspect. This is simply a civil matter, I should think
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Well, not to be pedantic, but as my first year crim-law professional drilled into us, there is no cause of action for "assault and battery." There are typically in any given state several types of assault and several types of battery. But there is no such thing as "assault and battery."1., 2.
1. And, yes, the title of that article within title 16, chapter 5 of the Georgia Codes is "assault and battery," but that is an article, and is not a cause of action.
2. Yeah, I probably could have gone without posting this at all, but I just came from the "things I find mildly irritating thread," so...
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Well...I did write that "[t]hose would be the only sensible civil causes of action" (emphasis on the plural).
I don't remember the state, but I recall running into at least one state that does have either a civil cause of action or a crime called "assault and battery," but yes, they're almost always different things.
As a practical matter, I doubt any prosecutor is going file criminal charges, and I also suspect the guy in the costume will get paid before he gets around to filing a lawsuit.
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Don't know if this has been mentioned, but after the no-call mess, the NFL REAAAALY has to be on the officials in the SB. Imagine a call missed like that in one of the biggest sporting events in the world in front of an audience that big?? The NFL would lose so many fans over that.
It'll be interesting to see the SB ratings after this no-call controversy.
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Well, not to be pedantic, but as my first year crim-law professional drilled into us, there is no cause of action for "assault and battery." There are typically in any given state several types of assault and several types of battery. But there is no such thing as "assault and battery."1., 2.
1. And, yes, the title of that article within title 16, chapter 5 of the Georgia Codes is "assault and battery," but that is an article, and is not a cause of action.
2. Yeah, I probably could have gone without posting this at all, but I just came from the "things I find mildly irritating thread," so...
There is "Robbery, Assault, and Battery", though. Tony Banks said so. :).
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Imagine a call missed like that in one of the biggest sporting events in the world in front of an audience that big?? The NFL would lose so many fans over that.
It is going to take a LOT for enough fans to turn away from the NFL to make a significant difference. It isn't impossible, but it will take a lot more than a couple blown calls. People love football, and the NFL is still the best game in town. And they know it.
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So I must say, I hardly ever watch the Pro Bowl, but since there is absolutely nothing on today, I'm tuning in.
I'm pleasantly surprised I'm enjoying this. I love the amount of joy these players seem to be having, and the respect being paid to each other. I also love that the QB's are mike'd up so you can hear the call. That's a lot better than a glowing fucking puck or a skating trail.
I mention the puck, because I never miss an NHL all star game, but this year's game and festivities seemed totally lame. Honestly, no one seemed happy to be there except Marc Andre Fluery, who seems happy to be anywhere. :lol
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Imagine a call missed like that in one of the biggest sporting events in the world in front of an audience that big?? The NFL would lose so many fans over that.
It is going to take a LOT for enough fans to turn away from the NFL to make a significant difference. It isn't impossible, but it will take a lot more than a couple blown calls. People love football, and the NFL is still the best game in town. And they know it.
All the more reason for the refs to get their shit together and the NFL to make rule changes for reviewing missed calls of that nature.
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Well, not to be pedantic, but as my first year crim-law professional drilled into us, there is no cause of action for "assault and battery." There are typically in any given state several types of assault and several types of battery. But there is no such thing as "assault and battery."1., 2.
1. And, yes, the title of that article within title 16, chapter 5 of the Georgia Codes is "assault and battery," but that is an article, and is not a cause of action.
2. Yeah, I probably could have gone without posting this at all, but I just came from the "things I find mildly irritating thread," so...
There is "Robbery, Assault, and Battery", though. Tony Banks said so. :).
:tup :tup :tup Although are you sure it wasn't Phil, since both are credited for the song?
On the topic of football, I don't know if it was mentioned earlier in the thread, but the whole controversy with the officiating is a bit ironic since, before the game, there was a bunch of noisy Rams fans (including one of the co-hosts of a local sports talk radio show) claiming that the referee who worked the game, Bill Vinovich, was biased against the Rams. They even went so far as to launch a "petition" to have the scheduled crews for the two games switched at the last minute. They even cited the fact that Walt Coleman, the referee who correctly applied the "tuck rule" in the 1/19/02 Raiders v. Patriots game, never worked another Raiders game.
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Ugh. Tuck rule. Now I wanna punch something. Makes me hate the Pats even more.
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Ugh. Tuck rule. Now I wanna punch something. Makes me hate the Pats even more.
See I never got this. It's a bad rule. We all can agree but it was a rule. Hate the league and their dumb rules, not the team for it. Funny, the Pats lost a game on the tuck rule that season as well.
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Ugh. Tuck rule. Now I wanna punch something. Makes me hate the Pats even more.
See I never got this. It's a bad rule. We all can agree but it was a rule. Hate the league and their dumb rules, not the team for it. Funny, the Pats lost a game on the tuck rule that season as well.
I don't think your last sentence is any consolation if you consider which game New England lost versus which game Oakland lost.
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Everybody looks at that game because of the magnitude but in 2001 but the rule was in since 1999. pat's lost to the Jets that year because of it. That's all I'm pointing out.
There are so many other reasons to hate the Pats. :lol
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The DH rule in baseball BLOWS. If you take the field, you should swing a bat.
Oh, and we should hate the Yankees for every game they ever won because of their DH.
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Ugh. Tuck rule. Now I wanna punch something. Makes me hate the Pats even more.
What Stadler said.
Hating a team because it was the beneficiary of a rule you don't like -- but which was correctly applied -- makes no sense.
On another subject, over the last few days, the NFL ran 30 minute highlight films for each Super Bowl. I watched a bunch of them, including most of the first 12 games. Two things really stood out: (1) brutal hits; and (2) tackling technique that actually involved wrapping up the ball carrier and not just trying to hit him in the hopes that he goes down. Good to hear John Facenda's voice again.
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Ugh. Tuck rule. Now I wanna punch something. Makes me hate the Pats even more.
What Stadler said.
Hating a team because it was the beneficiary of a rule you don't like -- but which was correctly applied -- makes no sense.
On another subject, over the last few days, the NFL ran 30 minute highlight films for each Super Bowl. I watched a bunch of them, including most of the first 12 games. Two things really stood out: (1) brutal hits; and (2) tackling technique that actually involved wrapping up the ball carrier and not just trying to hit him in the hopes that he goes down. Good to hear John Facenda's voice again.
Not shitting you one bit, but it's the voice I hear in my head when I'm watching old football films. As a kid I must've watched film with his voice over 1,000's of times. It's a part of the fabric at this point.
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Ugh. Tuck rule. Now I wanna punch something. Makes me hate the Pats even more.
What Stadler said.
Hating a team because it was the beneficiary of a rule you don't like -- but which was correctly applied -- makes no sense.
On another subject, over the last few days, the NFL ran 30 minute highlight films for each Super Bowl. I watched a bunch of them, including most of the first 12 games. Two things really stood out: (1) brutal hits; and (2) tackling technique that actually involved wrapping up the ball carrier and not just trying to hit him in the hopes that he goes down. Good to hear John Facenda's voice again.
Not shitting you one bit, but it's the voice I hear in my head when I'm watching old football films. As a kid I must've watched film with his voice over 1,000's of times. It's a part of the fabric at this point.
Given that we're pretty close to the same age, I imagine our experiences in this regard are pretty similar. I remember sitting around on Saturdays during football season and watching a show that was essentially 5 minutes worth of highlights from each of the 14 games from the previous weekend. They were narrated by John Facenda and had all of that good NFL music in the background. This would have been somewhere in the 1977-83 time frame (Facenda died shortly after the start of the 1984 NFL season). It still seems a little odd to watch NFL highlight packages without the music or Facenda's voice.
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Ugh. Tuck rule. Now I wanna punch something. Makes me hate the Pats even more.
What Stadler said.
Hating a team because it was the beneficiary of a rule you don't like -- but which was correctly applied -- makes no sense.
On another subject, over the last few days, the NFL ran 30 minute highlight films for each Super Bowl. I watched a bunch of them, including most of the first 12 games. Two things really stood out: (1) brutal hits; and (2) tackling technique that actually involved wrapping up the ball carrier and not just trying to hit him in the hopes that he goes down. Good to hear John Facenda's voice again.
Not shitting you one bit, but it's the voice I hear in my head when I'm watching old football films. As a kid I must've watched film with his voice over 1,000's of times. It's a part of the fabric at this point.
Given that we're pretty close to the same age, I imagine our experiences in this regard are pretty similar. I remember sitting around on Saturdays during football season and watching a show that was essentially 5 minutes worth of highlights from each of the 14 games from the previous weekend. They were narrated by John Facenda and had all of that good NFL music in the background. This would have been somewhere in the 1977-83 time frame (Facenda died shortly after the start of the 1984 NFL season). It still seems a little odd to watch NFL highlight packages without the music or Facenda's voice.
I can't remember the name of that show, but that's exactly right. Then there was the "Football Follies".
I don't want to overstate it too much, but those highlight packages inform my love of football to this day. I'm a big fan of those '70's Raiders teams, and that style of hard-nosed, "grass clump in the facemask" football. Guys shown in slow motion with "the voice of God" over the shot, walking all bloody and dirty, with strips of athletic tape hanging from their hands. In all the years watching those shows, there was an elegance and a reverence in them. Not one shot of "dapping" or any of the extraneous billshot you see on the field today. My opinion only.
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Ugh. Tuck rule. Now I wanna punch something. Makes me hate the Pats even more.
What Stadler said.
Hating a team because it was the beneficiary of a rule you don't like -- but which was correctly applied -- makes no sense.
On another subject, over the last few days, the NFL ran 30 minute highlight films for each Super Bowl. I watched a bunch of them, including most of the first 12 games. Two things really stood out: (1) brutal hits; and (2) tackling technique that actually involved wrapping up the ball carrier and not just trying to hit him in the hopes that he goes down. Good to hear John Facenda's voice again.
Not shitting you one bit, but it's the voice I hear in my head when I'm watching old football films. As a kid I must've watched film with his voice over 1,000's of times. It's a part of the fabric at this point.
Given that we're pretty close to the same age, I imagine our experiences in this regard are pretty similar. I remember sitting around on Saturdays during football season and watching a show that was essentially 5 minutes worth of highlights from each of the 14 games from the previous weekend. They were narrated by John Facenda and had all of that good NFL music in the background. This would have been somewhere in the 1977-83 time frame (Facenda died shortly after the start of the 1984 NFL season). It still seems a little odd to watch NFL highlight packages without the music or Facenda's voice.
I can't remember the name of that show, but that's exactly right. Then there was the "Football Follies".
I don't want to overstate it too much, but those highlight packages inform my love of football to this day. I'm a big fan of those '70's Raiders teams, and that style of hard-nosed, "grass clump in the facemask" football. Guys shown in slow motion with "the voice of God" over the shot, walking all bloody and dirty, with strips of athletic tape hanging from their hands. In all the years watching those shows, there was an elegance and a reverence in them. Not one shot of "dapping" or any of the extraneous billshot you see on the field today. My opinion only.
Mine as well.
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I loved those Raider teams. Dave Casper is still my all time favorite player.
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Good to hear John Facenda's voice again.
Awesome! I never knew this guy's name, but knew exactly who you were talking about, and confirmed via YouTube. His narration is like ASMR for football fans.
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I loved those Raider teams. Dave Casper is still my all time favorite player.
The funny thing is that I can name more players from the Raiders, Steelers, Vikings and Cowboys of that era than I can from the 2018 Denver Broncos.
Good to hear John Facenda's voice again.
Awesome! I never knew this guy's name, but knew exactly who you were talking about, and confirmed via YouTube. His narration is like ASMR for football fans.
ASMR??
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ASMR??
It's a tingly response you get when something whispers in your ear in a particular way
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I loved those Raider teams. Dave Casper is still my all time favorite player.
The funny thing is that I can name more players from the Raiders, Steelers, Vikings and Cowboys of that era than I can from the 2018 Denver Broncos.
I was a huge football fan in the late 70's early 80's. YouTube has a lot of those games in full.
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ASMR??
It's a tingly response you get when something whispers in your ear in a particular way
Basically but it doesn't have to be a whisper. It can be any sound. There is a whole ASMR community on YT. Yes there are some I listen to regularly, at night when I can't unwind enough to fall asleep.
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What does ASMR stand for, was I think the question?
Auditory sensitivity...
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Most. Unanticipated. Super Bowl. Ever. :\ :yeahright :|
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So, who does everyone have winning? I don't see Brady losing back-to-back super bowls and with the Rams terrible secondary I think the Patriots win 35-24.
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Most. Unanticipated. Super Bowl. Ever. :\ :yeahright :|
Agreed. Almost everyone outside of Boston is sick of the Patriots, and the NFCCG controversy has many feeling that the Rams don't deserve to be there. I said early last week that this was the worst possible match-up considering the final four teams and I still think it. Imagine the excitement Saints/Chiefs would have created, but instead we get this snorefest.
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I understand that feeling outside of N.E.
But when have the Pats been in an unexciting SB? Every damn one in the Brady era has come down to the last play. I'd like an easy game for once. :lol
It never happens.
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Chiefs/Rams would have been the worst matchup ever. With two villains in the SB, there is nobody to root for. Of all the potential matchups of all 32 teams, you literally could not script a worse matchup than that.
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I understand that feeling outside of N.E.
But when have the Pats been in an unexciting SB? Every damn one in the Brady era has come down to the last play. I'd like an easy game for once. :lol
It never happens.
Quality of the game is not the same as the anticipation. Few were excited by Pats/Patriots back in '03, but that turned out to be a wildly entertaining game...well, a wildly entertaining 4th quarter. :P On the flip side, Saints/Colts was an exciting match-up in '09, but the game turned out to be kinda forgettable. The reasons I stated in my prior post are why this game is not getting people excited.
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Most. Unanticipated. Super Bowl. Ever. :\ :yeahright :|
Agreed. Almost everyone outside of Boston is sick of the Patriots, and the NFCCG controversy has many feeling that the Rams don't deserve to be there. I said early last week that this was the worst possible match-up considering the final four teams and I still think it. Imagine the excitement Saints/Chiefs would have created, but instead we get this snorefest.
From a human interest standpoint you're correct, for the reasons you give. WWE fans won't like it. From a football standpoint I think it's likely to provide the best game we could have gotten. No, it won't be the 54-51 game we could have gotten from KC/NO. I'm sure that's what super bowl watchers would have wanted (with every quarter ending in two different scores). But then some of us appreciate a well fought, well played 20-17 game.
edit: Your ninja clarifies what you're saying, which is pretty much in line with what I just wrote.
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It never happens.
Quality of the game is not the same as the anticipation. Few were excited by Pats/Patriots back in '03, but that turned out to be a wildly entertaining game...well, a wildly entertaining 4th quarter. :P On the flip side, Saints/Colts was an exciting match-up in '09, but the game turned out to be kinda forgettable. The reasons I stated in my prior post are why this game is not getting people excited.
I completely understand. Hell, I've done that before. Just checking in to see the score but never really watched the game.
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Chiefs/Rams would have been the worst matchup ever. With two villains in the SB, there is nobody to root for. Of all the potential matchups of all 32 teams, you literally could not script a worse matchup than that.
I would have totally enjoyed a Chiefs v. Rams game. Offense aplenty!
You really think that Chiefs v. Rams would be worse than Cardinals v. Titans?
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To the person who asked above, "Autonomous sensory meridian response".
On the flip side, Saints/Colts was an exciting match-up in '09, but the game turned out to be kinda forgettable. The reasons I stated in my prior post are why this game is not getting people excited.
Did we watch the same game? Colts shooting out to a 10-0 lead? Surprise onside kick to start the 2nd half? An acrobatic 2-pt conversion mid-air barrel roll by Lance Moore? Tracy Porter with a pick-6 to end any hope of a Colts comeback? As a Texans fan, I knew Peyton getting the ball with 4 minutes left down less than a TD was a guaranteed win for the Colts, so seeing that Porter pick-6 was one of the most exciting SB moments for me.
How could you think any of the above was forgettable?
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Nicely done.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx9eGoMVsAAJ6Oh.jpg)
I suppose the league wouldn't let him wear it for the game.
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I'll watch but I'm not as interested as I would like to be. No dislike for either team. I pick the Patriots to win due to experience in the big game and the Rams secondary being suspect. However, the Rams defensive front may cause problems for Brady. We shall see.
Patriots 31
Rams 21
As a big UGA college football fan, either Michel or Gurley will have a SB ring. Good for them! Go Dawgs!
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Nicely done.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx9eGoMVsAAJ6Oh.jpg)
I suppose the league wouldn't let him wear it for the game.
Nice. Tip of the cap to his old man.
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Few were excited by Pats/Patriots back in '03,
I bet King would wet himself over the thought of an all-Patriots SB.
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On the flip side, Saints/Colts was an exciting match-up in '09, but the game turned out to be kinda forgettable. The reasons I stated in my prior post are why this game is not getting people excited.
Did we watch the same game? Colts shooting out to a 10-0 lead? Surprise onside kick to start the 2nd half? An acrobatic 2-pt conversion mid-air barrel roll by Lance Moore? Tracy Porter with a pick-6 to end any hope of a Colts comeback? As a Texans fan, I knew Peyton getting the ball with 4 minutes left down less than a TD was a guaranteed win for the Colts, so seeing that Porter pick-6 was one of the most exciting SB moments for me.
How could you think any of the above was forgettable?
Concur. In terms of enjoyment factor, we've had a pretty great run going back to the Broncos' win in SB32 that ended the long string of NFC dominance. I would rate the 10 most recent Super Bowls thusly:
44 (Saints 31 - Colts 17): "rab7" summarized it pretty well. Not only were the Colts driving for a game-tying touchdown with less than 4:00 left in the 4th quarter, the Colts were in Saints' territory, and Porter caught the ball at the Saints' 26 yard line. Had that pass been completed, the entire complexion of the game would have changed. 4.5/5 stars.
45 (Packers 31 - Steelers 25): I honestly don't remember this game very well and didn't have much preference who won. Just looking at the box score, the Packers went up 14-0 in the first quarter, with the Steelers cutting the gap to 21-10 by halftime. By the middle of the 4th quarter, the Steelers had closed to 28-25, but the Packers got a field goal, and the Steelers' two minute drive failed pretty miserably. 3.5/5 stars.
46 (Giants 21 - Patriots 17): Like the game four years earlier, while this was a close game throughout (the Giants' 9-0 lead after a late 1st quarter touchdown was the biggest lead of the game), I thought this was a pretty dull game until the final, game winning drive. 3/5 stars.
47 (Ravens 34 - 49ers 31): In terms of my personal enjoyment, this one is pretty similar to SB45, except that I actively disliked both teams. Although it was a close final score, it was a tale of two halves, which makes the closeness less enjoyable. 2.5/5 stars.
48 (Seahawks [a shitload] - Broncos [piss all]): The less said about this abomination the better. 0/5 stars.
49 (Patriots 28 - Seahawks 24): I despised the 2013-15 Seahawks, and my wife is a Boston sports fan, so there's my perspective. I literally lept to my feet on the Butler interception. The ending of this game was great, but it was dud for about the first quarter and a half. Because of my personal perspective, the criticism of the decision to pass on that play doesn't enter into my thinking. All in all, the ending and the overall closeness of the game make this a good one. 4/5 stars.
50 (Broncos 24 - Pathers 10): Hard for me to be objective about this one. Carolina never led, and the Broncos pretty much dominated, and the result was never really in doubt. Personally, it's a 5/5; objectively, probably 2.5 or 3.
51 (Patriots 34 - Falcons 28): See above re SB47. This game was a dud for three quarters, and then exciting AF for the rest of the game. That it took over a half century to get an overtime Super Bowl is pretty amazing. 4/5 stars.
52 (Eagles 41 - Patriots 33): Kind of a dud for about a quarter and a half, and then really enjoyable. Notwithstanding being married to a Boston sports fan, I strongly lean toward underdogs, so I really enjoyed this one -- the second half in particular. 4/5 stars.
Regarding Wade Phillips, I caught a quick bit on the NFL Network where he referred fondly to "the old days" when you could wear stuff like that on the sideline that "didn't have a swoosh on it." Doesn't Wade sit in the booth and, if so, why couldn't he wear it for the game (not that he'd necessarily want to in a climate controlled building)?
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Most. Unanticipated. Super Bowl. Ever. :\ :yeahright :|
Agreed. Almost everyone outside of Boston is sick of the Patriots, and the NFCCG controversy has many feeling that the Rams don't deserve to be there. I said early last week that this was the worst possible match-up considering the final four teams and I still think it. Imagine the excitement Saints/Chiefs would have created, but instead we get this snorefest.
Could not agree more.
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Not a matchup I'm excited....but it's the last NFL game for months, so I'll watch every minute of it. I'll take New England 31-28, but will be pulling for the Rams for the sake of their fans, particularly the ones who had to watch their team win a ring in St. Louis
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Regarding Wade Phillips, I caught a quick bit on the NFL Network where he referred fondly to "the old days" when you could wear stuff like that on the sideline that "didn't have a swoosh on it." Doesn't Wade sit in the booth and, if so, why couldn't he wear it for the game (not that he'd necessarily want to in a climate controlled building)?
Yeah, I suppose he does. I was mostly just waxing nostalgic, the same as he. Coming from Dallas I have a longstanding regard for well dressed coaches.
And yes, I'm aware of the irony.
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Regarding Wade Phillips, I caught a quick bit on the NFL Network where he referred fondly to "the old days" when you could wear stuff like that on the sideline that "didn't have a swoosh on it." Doesn't Wade sit in the booth and, if so, why couldn't he wear it for the game (not that he'd necessarily want to in a climate controlled building)?
Yeah, I suppose he does. I was mostly just waxing nostalgic, the same as he. Coming from Dallas I have a longstanding regard for well dressed coaches.
And yes, I'm aware of the irony.
Guys like Tom Landry and Bum Phillips brought a lot of character to the game. Belichik is a bit of a throwback to that era, and I really miss it.
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About the only thing I like about college football these days is that it seems to be the last of the major sports where the head coaching ranks are dominated by characters. But even now not as much as it used to be (Spurrier, Bowden, Switzer...)
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Few were excited by Pats/Patriots back in '03,
I bet King would wet himself over the thought of an all-Patriots SB.
It would be like watching a Christopher Nolan film.
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48 (Seahawks [a shitload] - Broncos [piss all]): The less said about this abomination the better. 0/5 stars.
I became a Seahawks fan the week of that SB because of Lynch, and that game was both unbelievable and hilarious. A safety on the first snap??? :lol
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I just realized today I sort of feel the Saints' fans pain. I still grumble whenever the "tuck rule" game is mentioned. One more reason for me to hate the Patricias.
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I just realized today I sort of feel the Saints' fans pain. I still grumble whenever the "tuck rule" game is mentioned. One more reason for me to hate the Patricias.
They're the exact opposite though. I have no beef with a bad rule being enforced to the detriment of one team, because everyone knows the rules going in. Socrates and all that. But if you - meaning the league, the owners, the coaches, the players, and the officials - agree on a rule, call it all year, and then, at the most crucial of times, blatantly ignore it, that's reason to grumble.
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I just realized today I sort of feel the Saints' fans pain. I still grumble whenever the "tuck rule" game is mentioned. One more reason for me to hate the Patricias.
They're the exact opposite though. I have no beef with a bad rule being enforced to the detriment of one team, because everyone knows the rules going in. Socrates and all that. But if you - meaning the league, the owners, the coaches, the players, and the officials - agree on a rule, call it all year, and then, at the most crucial of times, blatantly ignore it, that's reason to grumble.
How about agreeing on a rule and NOT call it in the HISTORY OF THE RULES??? This is the ONLY TIME this rule was enforced. If there was a history of calling it, fine, but there was not.
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I think the beef is, not just that a call was missed, but that it was a PI, which is called all the time. I've lost track at how many times over the last few years that a ticky tack PI call gave a team the ball 40 yards down field or bailed a team out on 3rd and long, yet this was overlooked at a crucial time of a championship game. I still think the Saints have mostly themselves to blame for the way they, and especially Sean Payton, melted down after that, but as a Cardinals fan who remembers Denkinger, I full acknowledge that this is a non-call Saints fans won't ever get over.
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I just realized today I sort of feel the Saints' fans pain. I still grumble whenever the "tuck rule" game is mentioned. One more reason for me to hate the Patricias.
They're the exact opposite though. I have no beef with a bad rule being enforced to the detriment of one team, because everyone knows the rules going in. Socrates and all that. But if you - meaning the league, the owners, the coaches, the players, and the officials - agree on a rule, call it all year, and then, at the most crucial of times, blatantly ignore it, that's reason to grumble.
How about agreeing on a rule and NOT call it in the HISTORY OF THE RULES??? This is the ONLY TIME this rule was enforced. If there was a history of calling it, fine, but there was not.
It had been called before. It had actually been called in a NE game earlier that season, which contributed to them losing a game to the Jets under very similar circumstances.
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I think the beef is, not just that a call was missed, but that it was a PI, which is called all the time. I've lost track at how many times over the last few years that a ticky tack PI call gave a team the ball 40 yards down field or bailed a team out on 3rd and long, yet this was overlooked at a crucial time of a championship game. I still think the Saints have mostly themselves to blame for the way they, and especially Sean Payton, melted down after that, but as a Cardinals fan who remembers Denkinger, I full acknowledge that this is a non-call Saints fans won't ever get over.
Ticky-tack PIs get called all the time. Ticky-tack PIs get ignored all the time, too. Some crews are just more strict than others. They also tend to be a bit more forgiving in the post season. I'd say the question is how were the refs calling it the entire game. If they were being real hardasses about PI the entire game then this would be a bigger problem. If they were being lax then this makes a little more sense (though it was clearly a blown call regardless).
Personally, I've just learned to accept that bad officiating is part of the game. It sucks, but I think it generally evens out in the long run. It's no benefit to the Saints, who got royally hosed here, but it's not the first time this has happened and sadly it won't be the last.
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I think the beef is, not just that a call was missed, but that it was a PI, which is called all the time. I've lost track at how many times over the last few years that a ticky tack PI call gave a team the ball 40 yards down field or bailed a team out on 3rd and long, yet this was overlooked at a crucial time of a championship game. I still think the Saints have mostly themselves to blame for the way they, and especially Sean Payton, melted down after that, but as a Cardinals fan who remembers Denkinger, I full acknowledge that this is a non-call Saints fans won't ever get over.
Ticky-tack PIs get called all the time. Ticky-tack PIs get ignored all the time, too. Some crews are just more strict than others. They also tend to be a bit more forgiving in the post season. I'd say the question is how were the refs calling it the entire game. If they were being real hardasses about PI the entire game then this would be a bigger problem. If they were being lax then this makes a little more sense (though it was clearly a blown call regardless).
Personally, I've just learned to accept that bad officiating is part of the game. It sucks, but I think it generally evens out in the long run. It's no benefit to the Saints, who got royally hosed here, but it's not the first time this has happened and sadly it won't be the last.
By and large, I agree, although I think officials tend to get tricked by certain teams or things. Like in basketball, where certain players flop like crazy, yet the officials fall for it every time and call a foul on the defender.
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Personally, I've just learned to accept that bad officiating is part of the game. It sucks, but I think it generally evens out in the long run. It's no benefit to the Saints, who got royally hosed here, but it's not the first time this has happened and sadly it won't be the last.
Bad officiating is unacceptable. The NFL needs to tighten up the rules. Some questionable calls or no-calls can be reviewed while others can't. It's a double standard. A totally missed critical call like that should be reviewable either by a challenge or the booth inside 2:00 mins. Even if it wasn't PI, the H to H contact is a personal foul which is even more strictly enforced since the beginning of the season. If the NFL is so gung ho for player safety, why was a personal foul ignored? Especially at the expense of a team that would've most likely gone to the SB while the other team gets away with it and ends up going to the SB. The NFL has issues that need to be corrected.
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Look, I'm a Patriots fan, and even I'll concede that Belichick has coached his receivers to automatically, after every incomplete pass, to stand up and make the "Jesus Christ pose". You know what I mean. That's a testament to the propensity to OVER call PI, in my opinion.
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If the refs are professionals and good enough at their craft, they'll see through all that bullshit acting.
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I don't think you understand how pro sports officiating works. :lol
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I just realized today I sort of feel the Saints' fans pain. I still grumble whenever the "tuck rule" game is mentioned. One more reason for me to hate the Patricias.
They're the exact opposite though. I have no beef with a bad rule being enforced to the detriment of one team, because everyone knows the rules going in. Socrates and all that. But if you - meaning the league, the owners, the coaches, the players, and the officials - agree on a rule, call it all year, and then, at the most crucial of times, blatantly ignore it, that's reason to grumble.
How about agreeing on a rule and NOT call it in the HISTORY OF THE RULES??? This is the ONLY TIME this rule was enforced. If there was a history of calling it, fine, but there was not.
Uhhh...no. for starters, the "tuck rule" was relatively new, having been put on the books in 1999, so there hadn't been a lot of history. It was also a rule designed to deal with a situation that occurs rather infrequently -- unlike pass interference, which is in play just about any time the ball is in the air. The rule was enforced -- against the Patriots -- four months earlier. In a game against the Jets, the Patriots seemingly forced a fumble by Vinny Testaverde, but the call was overturned and ruled an incomplete pass. It was enforced many other times until it was repealed in 2013.
Look, I'm a Patriots fan, and even I'll concede that Belichick has coached his receivers to automatically, after every incomplete pass, to stand up and make the "Jesus Christ pose". You know what I mean. That's a testament to the propensity to OVER call PI, in my opinion.
Are there receivers on any team who don't do that?
My take on what happened in the Rams v. Saints game is that there's no good reason that there shouldn't be a booth official who can throw a flag. There's also no good reason why the officials shouldn't be full-time employees.
On an unrelated note, I had the NFL Network on in the background yesterday, and someone was talking about how the players in the Super Bowl have to deal with halftime being much longer than it usually is. It really made me think how utterly bizarre and stupid it is that the NFL disrupts its championship game to hold a rock/pop concert. Can you imagine if, between the top and bottom of the 5th inning in game 4 of the World Series, they wheeled a stage onto a field so that Ed Sheeran and Taylor Swift could play a few songs? It's beyond stupid.
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Personally, I've just learned to accept that bad officiating is part of the game. It sucks, but I think it generally evens out in the long run. It's no benefit to the Saints, who got royally hosed here, but it's not the first time this has happened and sadly it won't be the last.
Bad officiating is unacceptable. The NFL needs to tighten up the rules. Some questionable calls or no-calls can be reviewed while others can't. It's a double standard. A totally missed critical call like that should be reviewable either by a challenge or the booth inside 2:00 mins. Even if it wasn't PI, the H to H contact is a personal foul which is even more strictly enforced since the beginning of the season. If the NFL is so gung ho for player safety, why was a personal foul ignored? Especially at the expense of a team that would've most likely gone to the SB while the other team gets away with it and ends up going to the SB. The NFL has issues that need to be corrected.
While it sucks pretty hard when we see things like what happened against the Saints, I think they're striking a pretty good balance between what is and what is not reviewable. The reality is that a good deal of officiating is subjective. We don't want every single instance of holding called on every play any more than we want every single instance of driving 56/55 cited. PI is a pretty good example of something that is largely subjective, as opposed to "did the ball cross the line." "Did he interfere with the other player's ability to make a catch." That's something best decided on the field by professionals watching it in realtime, even though they occasionally screw it up. What happened to NO wasn't a matter of subjectivity, it was a missed call, but that doesn't mean every potential instance of PI should be reviewed in NYC, though.
With that in mind, if they were to make PI a reviewable call, I'd suggest that it only apply in the opposite direction. Make it available to overturn an undeserved PI call, which is something that actually can be judged objectively.
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Look, I'm a Patriots fan, and even I'll concede that Belichick has coached his receivers to automatically, after every incomplete pass, to stand up and make the "Jesus Christ pose". You know what I mean. That's a testament to the propensity to OVER call PI, in my opinion.
Lends a whole new feel to Soundgarden the next time I hear that track :D
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This is my new favorite thing ever: https://comicbook.com/marvel/2019/02/01/avengers-thanos-super-bowl-tom-brady-endgame-cartoon-video/
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I don't think you understand how pro sports officiating works. :lol
I understand that is doesn't work like it should and hasn't for quite some time. A lot of pro sports fans out there would agree with that. I suppose I'm questioning your use of the word "works". It's rather vague.
Personally, I've just learned to accept that bad officiating is part of the game. It sucks, but I think it generally evens out in the long run. It's no benefit to the Saints, who got royally hosed here, but it's not the first time this has happened and sadly it won't be the last.
Bad officiating is unacceptable. The NFL needs to tighten up the rules. Some questionable calls or no-calls can be reviewed while others can't. It's a double standard. A totally missed critical call like that should be reviewable either by a challenge or the booth inside 2:00 mins. Even if it wasn't PI, the H to H contact is a personal foul which is even more strictly enforced since the beginning of the season. If the NFL is so gung ho for player safety, why was a personal foul ignored? Especially at the expense of a team that would've most likely gone to the SB while the other team gets away with it and ends up going to the SB. The NFL has issues that need to be corrected.
While it sucks pretty hard when we see things like what happened against the Saints, I think they're striking a pretty good balance between what is and what is not reviewable. The reality is that a good deal of officiating is subjective. We don't want every single instance of holding called on every play any more than we want every single instance of driving 56/55 cited. PI is a pretty good example of something that is largely subjective, as opposed to "did the ball cross the line." "Did he interfere with the other player's ability to make a catch." That's something best decided on the field by professionals watching it in realtime, even though they occasionally screw it up. What happened to NO wasn't a matter of subjectivity, it was a missed call, but that doesn't mean every potential instance of PI should be reviewed in NYC, though.
With that in mind, if they were to make PI a reviewable call, I'd suggest that it only apply in the opposite direction. Make it available to overturn an undeserved PI call, which is something that actually can be judged objectively.
I get what you're trying to say Barto. Refs are only human, but rules are rules and there should be no room for subjectivity. For example, the rules clearly state what is and isn't a catch. There's no such thing as "well, that's sort of a catch or that sort of isn't a catch." The rules for PI are just as clear. I don't see any difference between an undeserved PI call or a deserved PI that never got called. It should work both ways and both can be judged objectively as they should. What's the point in having rules if refs are allowed to lend their interpretation of the rules to a certain outcome that is questionable? I'm having a difficult time with the inconsistencies of NFL officiating. Yes, calls should be made on the field in real time, but I also think technology should intervene and help to make the necessary corrections for the sake of fairness. Otherwise, rules are pointless.
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Well, there are always going to be judgment calls in any team sport.
PI or not in football?
Ball or strike in baseball?
A charge or a blocking foul in basketball?
Interference or not in hockey?
I am not sure I would be comfortable making all or most judgment calls open to review and being overturned, although I did like one idea that said every coach would get like 2 challenges like that a game (for judgment calls) and if you are wrong, you not only lose a timeout, but get penalized 15 yards. That would make coaches have to really think it over before throwing that kind of challenge flag, which can be a drawback if you are on defense and the offense hurries to the line to run a play before you can throw the flag, as you'd have very little time to decide, but then again if a (non-)call is flagrantly wrong to where you want to challenge it, that is often obvious immediately.
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Uhhh...no. for starters, the "tuck rule" was relatively new, having been put on the books in 1999, so there hadn't been a lot of history. It was also a rule designed to deal with a situation that occurs rather infrequently -- unlike pass interference, which is in play just about any time the ball is in the air. The rule was enforced -- against the Patriots -- four months earlier. In a game against the Jets, the Patriots seemingly forced a fumble by Vinny Testaverde, but the call was overturned and ruled an incomplete pass. It was enforced many other times until it was repealed in 2013.
OK, in a video I saw discussing the play they said it was never called before. I guess they were wrong.
And yes, halftime shows over history have gone from a marching band to a full on concert. It seems the halftime show gets more viewers than the game. Yea it is stupid.
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How the NFL yearly award winners and Hall of Fame class gets leaked and spoiled a couple of hours before the awards show starts baffles me.
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Isaac Bruce still not making the Hall of Fame is a complete joke.
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How the NFL yearly award winners and Hall of Fame class gets leaked and spoiled a couple of hours before the awards show starts baffles me.
It is not a live broadcast on tv. It starts 3 hours before it is on tv.
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How the NFL yearly award winners and Hall of Fame class gets leaked and spoiled a couple of hours before the awards show starts baffles me.
It is not a live broadcast on tv. It starts 3 hours before it is on tv.
They should fix that. It's ridiculous as is
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2 possessions
Interception
Missed FG
Typical Pats SB 1st Quarter
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Ugly for the offense on both teams right now.
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So, who took the over?
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Did I just see jammindude in a beer commercial?
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Oyyy, we've gone from Beyonce/Coldplay/Bruno Mars to Lady Gaga to Justin Timberblake to Maroon 5. Honestly, this is a huge downgrade in comparison to previous years.
Honestly, I really think the people in the crowd near the stage are plants. There's no way they would be this pumped for Maroon 5 in their own shows.
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Good Lord that was a horrid halftime show.
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Found this tweet. Honestly, sums up my thought on this halftime show. Horrifying underwhelming and it felt shorter than in previous years.
https://twitter.com/FauxJohnMadden/status/1092231638761664512
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Ok off work and at home with a big bowl of spice posole. Really glad I didn't miss anything in the first half :lol
Go Jared Goff!!!
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Is there a game today?
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This is like watching a damn preseason game.
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Yep, it's quite painful.
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Ugh.
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Not sure what you guys saw. I saw The Office during halftime. Of course, I immediately changed to Comedy Central and didn't switch back until about a minute into the 3rd.
Frankly, it was the best halftime in years.
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Not sure what you guys saw. I saw The Office during halftime. Of course, I immediately changed to Comedy Central and didn't switch back until about a minute into the 3rd.
Frankly, it was the best halftime in years.
Yeah I had the priority of getting my posole ready.
Almost a game changing oops there...
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No doubt.
That was a huge penalty.
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Well shit.
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Boring predictable game.
Didn't win anything from my pool picks though.
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#6 Baby!!!!!
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Congrats Joe! Your team is your team and man......I can’t imagime how great it feels to experience these Championships as a fan.
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Jeez, that didn't even feel like a win. :lol
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It never gets old. I will never see a run like this in my lifetime. Amazing.
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Would’ve been a much better game if the refs didn’t have their heads up their asses in the NFC Championship game, but congrats Pats fans :tup Another masterful game plan from Belichick.
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Oyyy, we've gone from Beyonce/Coldplay/Bruno Mars to Lady Gaga to Justin Timberblake to Maroon 5. Honestly, this is a huge downgrade in comparison to previous years.
Honestly, I really think the people in the crowd near the stage are plants. There's no way they would be this pumped for Maroon 5 in their own shows.
Who is Maroon 5? All I saw was the Adam Levine Pec Show. I LIKE Adam Levine and I thought that was ridiculous. The place is going whack like it's a Kiss concert, with flames and what not.. and he's standing there, facing the camera (like Patrick Swayze in "Dirty Dancing") singing "She will be loved!" Get the f*** out of here.
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It never gets old. I will never see a run like this in my lifetime. Amazing.
I've been wearing my Patriots jersey around town this weekend, and when somebody would comment on it I'd say "you know, this only happens once a year," and then laugh walking away. They kind of do make it easy.
Not the most exciting SB ever, but I didn't find it boring at all. Good D and ST, and spurts of good O when it was needed. And the game was still up in the air until the final minutes. Nothing boring about it.
Hats off to Greg. Hope the experience of going was worth it. Highly doubt it'll be the last time.
I enjoyed the halftime show a lot. We watched the first five songs of Blaze Bayley Alive in Poland. No idea why people watch what the NFL provides.
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We watched the first five songs of Blaze Bayley Alive in Poland.
:metal
That's some good shit right there!
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Fuck the Rams. Good for 'em.
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Well, at least I was reminded why I gave up on the NFL 2 years ago. That was easily the worst SB in the history of ever, possibly the worst championship game in history, and definitely the worst football game I can remember sitting thru - though, I had it on the DVR, started around 8ET, and just kept it on a slow fast-forward - though, I did watch the US commercials. Some good stuff there.
Summary - worst sportsball game ever.
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Yea that was a boring game and terrible half time show. Oh well.
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Would’ve been a much better game if the refs didn’t have their heads up their asses in the NFC Championship game, but congrats Pats fans :tup Another masterful game plan from Belichick.
Yep, quite unfortunate!
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I feel bad for any Rams fans who bought any gear with the Super Bowl logo....for this year it shows the Rams result and how many points they scored.
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The game was almost as boring as that sport the rest of the world calls football, but at least we had hours of commercials ;)
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Everything about the Super Bowl was a huge step down, unless you're a Patriots fan. I can't imagine what it's like to have your team win 6 championships in an era. Congrats to them.
Commercials were meh.
Game was meh.
Halftime show was meh (and that's being nice).
Game was in Atlanta which sums up Georgia sports. There's a build up and excitement for the big game only to be let down by the outcome.
One thing about the halftime show. With the rich music history of Atlanta and the state of Georgia, why not peg an artist who represents the geographical area? Throwing in BigBoi for 30 seconds was the NFL throwing a small bone to the Atlanta market and was lame. No Andre3000, no OutKast. Nice try.
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The should declare a do-over and come back next week and play it again.
The thing about it is that, if Goff hadn't thrown that interception with 2:43 remaining, the game could have been tied and set up for one of Brady's patented last minute game winning drives. As it was, unless you're really into stellar defensive play, it was just an ugly game.
I usually get up and do something during halftime, but it was raining, so I sat in the room with the TV but didn't really watched it. It seemed pretty bad, but I think they've almost all been pretty bad.
Even the commercials were downers. The Bud Light commercials are always good for a chuckle. The T-Mobile ads were fairly amusing. We liked the Amazon ad with Harrison Ford. Can't remember much else that was any good. There seemed to be a LOT of long, McConaghey-esque type commercials. I generally gave up on paying attention before they got to the point.
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Sheesh, what a year this ended up being. Brady plays like ass, has a 27 QBR, but since BB is a defensive wizard and the other QB was even stinkier ass, they win anyway. 13 points and a win :facepalm:. The Rams' D deserved better, they balled all day and Cooks dropped 2 TD passes. One was Goff's fault for throwing an hour late but he should have held the other even while being interfered with a little. Also McVay's game plan sucked hard.
Now let's everyone be sane and have some rational perspective. This is NOT the greatest sports dynasty of all time. First point: you can't go 10 years without a championship and call that period a dynasty. The Steelers and Giants each won 2 Super Bowls from 2005-2014 while the Patriots had 0. You can call it 2 mini-dynasties from 2001-2004 and 2014-2018 if you'd like, no argument there. Second point: Boston fans are disrespecting THEIR OWN basketball team, who had a real dynasty in the 60s - 8 straight championships! The Bulls had 6 in 8 years. But the greatest dynasty of all time is still the New York Yankees from 1923-1962. They won 20 championships in 39 years, including 5 in a row, 4 in a row, and 12 of 17 from 1936-1953. And it's HARDER in baseball, because you can't get the ball to your star player every play like you can with a QB or point guard.
So congrats to the Pats, you're now tied with Pittsburgh with 6 Lombardis, but let's have a clear head about dynasties.
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RK, BB and TB make this a Dynasty. And what they have done in the era of free agency is more impressive than what any other Dynasty in any other sport has ever accomplished.
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RK, BB and TB make this a Dynasty. And what they have done in the era of free agency is more impressive than what any other Dynasty in any other sport has ever accomplished.
Yeah; read "Dynasty" by Peter Golenbock, about the Yankee teams from '49 to '64. You have guys like Joe Collins, Gil McDougall, Hank Bauer, that were All-Stars on any other team coming to camp with the mindset that "I have to earn my job". This is one of the things I like about Belichick, and why he's the last of his breed: he is asking guys that are Hall of Famers to fight like they're rookies. Some do it (Wilfork, Edelman, most of his O-line) and you have some that don't want to (Welker, Blount, I guess Butler) and they're buying Pats Super Bowl swag from that infomercial that airs immediately following the game. Brady - arguably the greatest of all time , if not, then one of them - saying to anyone that would listen, "Not happy with the way the offense played today". That's not fake humility; by all accounts, that's what he REALLY feels.
And not to pick on anyone, but to say "Goff didn't this" or the "Rams D didn't that", I think there's at least 50-50 credit to the Pats for disrupting their scheme. The one thing I can say the Rams DIDN'T do is adjust quickly enough. But honestly? I think the Rams will be back, but that was age over beauty last night. No knock at all to be schooled by a Jedi like Belichick.
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Sheesh, what a year this ended up being. Brady plays like ass, has a 27 QBR, but since BB is a defensive wizard and the other QB was even stinkier ass, they win anyway. 13 points and a win :facepalm:. The Rams' D deserved better, they balled all day and Cooks dropped 2 TD passes. One was Goff's fault for throwing an hour late but he should have held the other even while being interfered with a little. Also McVay's game plan sucked hard.
Now let's everyone be sane and have some rational perspective. This is NOT the greatest sports dynasty of all time. First point: you can't go 10 years without a championship and call that period a dynasty. The Steelers and Giants each won 2 Super Bowls from 2005-2014 while the Patriots had 0. You can call it 2 mini-dynasties from 2001-2004 and 2014-2018 if you'd like, no argument there. Second point: Boston fans are disrespecting THEIR OWN basketball team, who had a real dynasty in the 60s - 8 straight championships! The Bulls had 6 in 8 years. But the greatest dynasty of all time is still the New York Yankees from 1923-1962. They won 20 championships in 39 years, including 5 in a row, 4 in a row, and 12 of 17 from 1936-1953. And it's HARDER in baseball, because you can't get the ball to your star player every play like you can with a QB or point guard.
So congrats to the Pats, you're now tied with Pittsburgh with 6 Lombardis, but let's have a clear head about dynasties.
I'm not sure I get this. There is a QB and coach in place for both. They've been competitive throughout this 18 years. It's semantics not to call it a dynasty. Call it 2 dynasty's if you'd like. It doesn't really matter.
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Right..
From 2005-2013, the Patriots:
Made the playoffs in 8 of the 9 years (Went 11-5 in 2008 with Matt Cassel)
12-4 ave W-L record
Reached the AFC Championship in 5 of the 9 years
Reached the Superbowl twice
Pretty sure 26 other teams would've loved to have had a run like that.
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Uh ... yeah... even as a Pats - nay, BOSTON - hater, I will acknowledge that this is a 18 year dynasty. The others are impressive for their own reasons, but in the era of 'equality' across the league, what the Pats have accomplished is deserving of the 'dynasty' moniker.
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I'm going to go one better; they did so DESPITE all that goes on in the league; they have won with killer, shut-'em-down defenses. They have won with downhill, five-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust running games. They have won with 50-TD, 5,000 yard passing attacks. They've won with four different OC's, and four different DC's (and by the by, Belichick is doing no favors for his staff; Patricia came out as a hero for making the most of a defense that didn't have a ton of personnel, and a guy that doesn't even get "DC" status - he's "Linebackers Coach and Head Play Caller" or some shit - does him one better and shuts down the best offense in the league in the Championship game then shuts down the best offense in the NFC in the Super Bowl.). They've won with hard-nosed gritty defense in an era where you get flagged for ripping the quarterback's Kleenex.
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Don't look now, but you couch has "dynasty" written all over it.
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I may have to buy a longer couch.
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This couch has Dynasty written all over it.
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This one too!
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Yeah, most people think "dynasty" when you say "Backstreet Boys."
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That weird because I never say Backstreet Boys.
Oops. Dammit Bosk!
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TAC is back, ALRIGHT!!
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:rollin
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That was as tolerable as a Pats win I can imagine. Brady didn’t win it, BB and the defense did. An ugly game would have been low scoring due to poor execution not caused by the opposition. That was just not an exciting game based on the metrics lay fans consider exciting in this era. My biggest complaint is that the MVP shouldn’t have been Edelman, but unfortunately offensive stats are more easily built up, and aren’t going to do something creative like share the award or give it to the DC. Gilmore proved why he was the highest rated CB, and therefore isn’t going to get more than a handful of opportunities. Multiple players made the right side of the Rams OL look confused and out-matched. McCourty saved a TD on someone else’s busted coverage. But Edelman gets a bunch of catches, most of them on non-scoring drives, but someone has to win the award. I can’t recall a game where in recent memory where both D-lines were that dominant.
I seriously hate the Pats, but that defensive performance was a masterpiece. *Vince Vaughn I hate you but respect you gif here*
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Sheesh, what a year this ended up being. Brady plays like ass, has a 27 QBR, but since BB is a defensive wizard and the other QB was even stinkier ass, they win anyway. 13 points and a win :facepalm:. The Rams' D deserved better, they balled all day and Cooks dropped 2 TD passes. One was Goff's fault for throwing an hour late but he should have held the other even while being interfered with a little. Also McVay's game plan sucked hard.
Yea I knew Brady would work his magic somehow for a win, dammit. But I also question the Rams play calling. Twice I remember them trying to throw on 3rd and 2, but then running it on 3rd and 22?? :facepalm: Cmon man!
How are the Chiefs favored to win the next one? I know four straight SB's are next to impossible, but these are the Pats!!! As much as I despise them, I can't deny their success.
So you think football season is over now? For the NFL, yes, but.....
https://aaf.com/ :metal
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Something must have been going on with Gurly. They should have had him run the ball way more than they did in unless he's hurt.
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My biggest complaint is that the MVP shouldn’t have been Edelman, but unfortunately offensive stats are more easily built up, and aren’t going to do something creative like share the award or give it to the DC.
Yeah this was my exact feeling after SB 42. Sure Eli was clutch in leading his team, but the Defense held the highest scoring offense in NFL history to 14 points. The entire Defense should've been MVP
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Mason made a fine case for Gilmore as MVP. And he did have the game sealing pick. Edelman was the engine that kept them moving and kept them in possession in the first half, though, so I can see how he'd get the nod. I'd probably have given it to SG, myself, but I'm not too bent out of shape about it.
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Largest margin of victory for a Pats Super Bowl win, though. So there's that. :)
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Something must have been going on with Gurly. They should have had him run the ball way more than they did in unless he's hurt.
Not a Rams fan or a Pats hater. The Rams offensive line play was terrible and therefore they couldn't establish a run game. I think Gurley had 1 run for over 10 yards. The Patriots defense seemed adamant about taking away the run so they could force the Rams to throw to expose the biggest weakness of the Rams offense - Goff. Look at what happened. Goff eventually throws a prayer up for grabs and it gets intercepted. That play decided the game. Belicheck knew what he was doing.
Goff looked terrible. He didn't look like a Super Bowl QB. Not that Brady had great stats either, but Goff looked confused. He didn't lose the game, but he didn't help the cause. He hurt his team more than he helped his team. I'm not sold on him being a long term NFL QB. He has the arm but his decision making is suspect and he seems to get rattled easily.
I do think Gurley has been dinged up since either week 15 or 16 with a knee issue. In the Super Bowl, I don't understand why you leave your best offensive player on the sideline on critical plays. At least put him in there to make the defense think about him. If Gurley asked to sit out plays, that's on him and that's crappy since it's the biggest game of your career at that point.
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The Saints had him completely befuddled as well. It wasn't until they got a little momentum with the fake punt, and then the run game got going a bit, that he looked even a little comfortable.
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RK, BB and TB make this a Dynasty. And what they have done in the era of free agency is more impressive than what any other Dynasty in any other sport has ever accomplished.
I would never consider any team of any sport that's been accused of cheating (more than once BTW) a dynasty. Don't care how many championships they have.
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I fucking hate the Pats, and thought the game sucked.
But congrats to them and their fans, and of course it's a dynasty.
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I would never consider any team of any sport that's been accused of cheating (more than once BTW) a dynasty. Don't care how many championships they have.
I do find it a little funny that the last two Patriots to win the Super Bowl MVP (Edelman and Brady) both missed four games that same season as a result as a suspension from...wait for it...cheating! :P
Also, INB4 Patriots fans talk about unfair Deflategate was again. :lol :lol
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Nope. Just going to say suck it. :biggrin:
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Sheesh, what a year this ended up being. Brady plays like ass, has a 27 QBR, but since BB is a defensive wizard and the other QB was even stinkier ass, they win anyway. 13 points and a win :facepalm:. The Rams' D deserved better, they balled all day and Cooks dropped 2 TD passes. One was Goff's fault for throwing an hour late but he should have held the other even while being interfered with a little. Also McVay's game plan sucked hard.
Yea I knew Brady would work his magic somehow for a win, dammit. But I also question the Rams play calling. Twice I remember them trying to throw on 3rd and 2, but then running it on 3rd and 22?? :facepalm: Cmon man!
How are the Chiefs favored to win the next one? I know four straight SB's are next to impossible, but these are the Pats!!! As much as I despise them, I can't deny their success.
So you think football season is over now? For the NFL, yes, but.....
https://aaf.com/ :metal
Go Fleet!
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I wouldn't call it unfair. They won the superbowl despite being penalized. :lol (I would call it bullshit, though)
In any case, using D66's standard eliminates every team in the NFL. Kev's Broncos have some biggies. As does D66's Cowboys. If they had an 18 year stretch of domination people would be whining about them. An extensive history of mediocrity is pretty good camouflage.
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:lol
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RK, BB and TB make this a Dynasty. And what they have done in the era of free agency is more impressive than what any other Dynasty in any other sport has ever accomplished.
I would never consider any team of any sport that's been accused of cheating (more than once BTW) a dynasty. Don't care how many championships they have.
Sooo...I guess there will never be a "dynasty" in the NFL.
There is no NFL team that hasn't been guilty of cheating (let alone accused), and the Patriots are pretty much in the middle of the pack when it comes to that.
And "deflategate" might have been the silliest "scandal" I've ever seen. People who don't understand basic laws of nature hunting witches.
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Sorry, controversial statement here, but the more I read about how dull and lame the game is, and how bad the Rams played, the more I'm convinced that this was a testament to Bill Belichick.
All the comments about "cheaters" and "if Gurley had only..." and "if Goff had only..." and "if Cooks had only..." ... well they didn't. They had the same 60 minutes, on the same field with the same hoopla and the same Adam Levine nipples, and they didn't. I think, in hindsight, and to a large degree, because Belichick didn't do what HE was expected to do (in a good way).
Sean McVay: "Definitely, I got outcoached." Now, of course he HAS to say that, as coach, to take the bullet for his team, but still. There's truth in there (and no knock to McVay; he'll be back, no mistake.)
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Nothing controversial about that.
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Yep. Somebody earlier lamented that the Ram's O line played like shit. The last 3 offensive lines to play NE played like shit. Just a coincidence, I'm sure. My take from the get-go was that both teams played very good defense. That's a very different thing than "the rams sucked!"
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Just saw the halftime show, yea that was pretty bad. Besides MJ I think Bruno Mars/RHCP in 2014 was a really great halftime show with lots of energy.
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In any case, using D66's standard eliminates every team in the NFL. Kev's Broncos have some biggies. As does D66's Cowboys. If they had an 18 year stretch of domination people would be whining about them. An extensive history of mediocrity is pretty good camouflage.
I have no idea what you are talking about...
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Sorry, controversial statement here, but the more I read about how dull and lame the game is, and how bad the Rams played, the more I'm convinced that this was a testament to Bill Belichick.
All the comments about "cheaters" and "if Gurley had only..." and "if Goff had only..." and "if Cooks had only..." ... well they didn't. They had the same 60 minutes, on the same field with the same hoopla and the same Adam Levine nipples, and they didn't. I think, in hindsight, and to a large degree, because Belichick didn't do what HE was expected to do (in a good way).
Sean McVay: "Definitely, I got outcoached." Now, of course he HAS to say that, as coach, to take the bullet for his team, but still. There's truth in there (and no knock to McVay; he'll be back, no mistake.)
I don't think that's controversial at all, it makes perfect sense. It was a brilliant game plan from Belichick and as good of an example as you'll ever see (IMO) of how much a coach can impact a game.
I did find it funny though that all of these "analysts" on the NFL/ESPN's payroll are trying to rip fans who are vocal about their opinion of the game being boring. Trey Wingo's reaction in particular seemed pretty ridiculous and childish to me. I guess if you don't find every single NFL game entertaining, you must be a "casual" fan :facepalm: I get it that the game was competitive until the end, but I personally started to get the feeling that the Rams were going nowhere in that game when they stalled out immediately after the interception in the first quarter. I think even the most "casual" fan could tell that the Rams were probably going to lose before the end of the first half. The sad thing is that it was only 3-0 at that time :lol
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FU Raiders! :lol
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-49ers-will-not-waive-territorial-rights-preventing-raiders-from-playing-at-oracle-park-next-season/ar-BBTdUyQ?li=BBnba9I
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Saw this hilarious Tweet:
A 4-month baby in Boston has seen more championships than a 45-year old fan of the Mets/Jets/Knicks.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Saw this hilarious Tweet:
A 4-month baby in Boston has seen more championships than a 45-year old fan of the Mets/Jets/Knicks. Samsara
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
;D
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FU Raiders! :lol
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-49ers-will-not-waive-territorial-rights-preventing-raiders-from-playing-at-oracle-park-next-season/ar-BBTdUyQ?li=BBnba9I
:facepalm: :censored So now what?
I didn't think the SB was boring because I kept hoping the Rams would do something big to get a TD. The Pats once again stabbed me in the heart with the last INT just like they did the Seahawks.
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The Raiders should consider playing in Mexico next year. A good way to drum up a bigger fanbase for the team and the league. Besides, it's not like anybody else wants them.
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The Raiders should consider playing in Mexico next year. A good way to drum up a bigger fanbase for the team and the league. Besides, it's not like anybody else wants them.
That’s a great idea.
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FU Raiders! :lol
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-49ers-will-not-waive-territorial-rights-preventing-raiders-from-playing-at-oracle-park-next-season/ar-BBTdUyQ?li=BBnba9I
First of all, LOL at the Raiders!!! Pretty much no one wants them, and the one place that does want them can't have them!
Second, while I think the Giants' stadium is really nice (save for the moronic lack of proper bullpens), I'd be perfectly happy to see the Raiders take a bunch of dumps all over that field.
Third, STOP CHANGING THE NAMES OF THE FUCKING STADIUMS!!!! When I first saw this, I assumed that "Oracle Park" was the Niners' stadium.
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Back to the SB game, it was a great game of defense. It was almost refreshing to see a defensive led game. The NFL has changed so many rules to make the game a game of offense. The thinking is more points scored = more excitement. Not always. On the shoot out games where both teams are scoring 30+ points per game, it's sad to see defenses look almost non-existent.
Football fans say the SB game sucked. It's in part because we've become used to seeing higher scoring games over the last 15 years. Check out the super bowl final scores all time. I highlighted by winning scores of 21 points or lower by the winning team. There have been 5 SB games with low scoring outcomes in the last 17 years.
I Jan. 15, 1967 Green Bay 35, Kansas City 10
II Jan. 14, 1968 Green Bay 33, Oakland 14
III Jan. 12, 1969 New York Jets 16, Baltimore 7
IV Jan. 11, 1970 Kansas City 23, Minnesota 7
V Jan. 17, 1971 Baltimore 16, Dallas 13
VI Jan. 16, 1972 Dallas 24, Miami 3
VII Jan. 14, 1973 Miami 14, Washington 7
VIII Jan. 13, 1974 Miami 24, Minnesota 7
IX Jan. 12, 1975 Pittsburgh 16, Minnesota 6
X Jan. 18, 1976 Pittsburgh 21, Dallas 17
XI Jan. 9, 1977 Oakland 32, Minnesota 14
XII Jan. 15, 1978 Dallas 27, Denver 10
XIII Jan. 21, 1979 Pittsburgh 35, Dallas 31
XIV Jan. 20, 1980 Pittsburgh 31, Los Angeles Rams 19
XV Jan. 25, 1981 Oakland 27, Philadelphia 10
XVI Jan. 24, 1982 San Francisco 26, Cincinnati 21
XVII Jan. 30, 1983 Washington 27, Miami 17
XVIII Jan. 22, 1984 Los Angeles Raiders 38, Washington 9
XIX Jan. 20, 1985 San Francisco 38, Miami 16
XX Jan. 26, 1986 Chicago 46, New England 10
XXI Jan. 25, 1987 New York Giants 39, Denver 20
XXII Jan. 31, 1988 Washington 42, Denver 10
XXIII Jan. 22, 1989 San Francisco 20, Cincinnati 16
XXIV Jan. 28, 1990 San Francisco 55, Denver 10
XXV Jan. 27, 1991 New York Giants 20, Buffalo 19
XXVI Jan. 26, 1992 Washington 37, Buffalo 24
XXVIIJan. 31, 1993 Dallas 52, Buffalo 17
XXVIIIJan. 30, 1994 Dallas 30, Buffalo 13
XXIX Jan. 29, 1995 San Francisco 49, San Diego 26
XXX Jan. 28, 1996 Dallas 27, Pittsburgh 17
XXXI Jan. 26, 1997 Green Bay 35, New England 21
XXXIIJan. 25, 1998 Denver 31, Green Bay 24
XXXIIIJan. 31, 1999 Denver 34, Atlanta 19
XXXIVJan. 30, 2000 St. Louis 23, Tennessee 16
XXXVJan. 28, 2001 Baltimore 34, New York Giants 7
XXXVIFeb. 3, 2002 New England 20, St. Louis 17
XXXVIIJan. 26, 2003 Tampa Bay 48, Oakland 21
XXXVIIIFeb. 1, 2004 New England 32, Carolina 29
XXXIXFeb. 6, 2005 New England 24, Philadelphia 21
XL Feb. 5, 2006 Pittsburgh 21, Seattle 10
XLI Feb. 4, 2007 Indianapolis 29, Chicago 17
XLII Feb. 3, 2008 New York Giants 17, New England 14
XLIII Feb. 1, 2009 Pittsburgh 27, Arizona 23
XLIV Feb. 7, 2010 New Orleans 31, Indianapolis 17
XLV Feb. 6, 2011 Green Bay 31, Pittsburgh 25
XLVI Feb. 5, 2012 New York Giants 21, New England 17
XLVIIFeb. 3, 2013 Baltimore 34, San Francisco 31
XLVIIIFeb. 2, 2014 Seattle 43, Denver 8
XLIX Feb. 1, 2015 New England 28, Seattle 24
50 Feb. 7, 2016 Denver 24, Carolina 10
LI Feb. 5, 2017 New England 34, Atlanta 28
LII Feb. 4, 2018 Philadelphia 41, New England 33
LIII Feb. 3, 2019 New England 13, Los Angeles Rams 3
Were all of those lower scoring games bad games? Not all of them. Some of them were really good. Conversely, some of the higher scoring games were bad games.
All in all, fans want to see a good game and what constitutes a good game varies from person to person.
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Unless the Pats are in, all I ask is a competitive game that goes into the 4th quarter with the game still in the balance. High or low scoring, it doesn't matter. I just don't want a blowout.
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Back to the SB game, it was a great game of defense. It was almost refreshing to see a defensive led game. The NFL has changed so many rules to make the game a game of offense. The thinking is more points scored = more excitement. Not always. On the shoot out games where both teams are scoring 30+ points per game, it's sad to see defenses look almost non-existent.
Football fans say the SB game sucked. It's in part because we've become used to seeing higher scoring games over the last 15 years. Check out the super bowl final scores all time. I highlighted by winning scores of 21 points or lower by the winning team. There have been 5 SB games with low scoring outcomes in the last 17 years.
For me, this game was boring because, although both defenses played fantastically, it seemed that both offenses were inept. There were at least two instances where even decent execution by the Rams would have resulted directly or indirectly in a score. Disagree if you want, but I think 7/10 NFL quarterbacks throw a touchdown on the play where Goff threw the game-sealing interception. Heck, Goff probably makes that throw 8/10 times. While a game that is tied 3-3 after three quarters is obviously close, it takes a lot for a game like that to be interesting.
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Back to the SB game, it was a great game of defense. It was almost refreshing to see a defensive led game. The NFL has changed so many rules to make the game a game of offense. The thinking is more points scored = more excitement. Not always. On the shoot out games where both teams are scoring 30+ points per game, it's sad to see defenses look almost non-existent.
Football fans say the SB game sucked. It's in part because we've become used to seeing higher scoring games over the last 15 years. Check out the super bowl final scores all time. I highlighted by winning scores of 21 points or lower by the winning team. There have been 5 SB games with low scoring outcomes in the last 17 years.
I Jan. 15, 1967 Green Bay 35, Kansas City 10
II Jan. 14, 1968 Green Bay 33, Oakland 14
III Jan. 12, 1969 New York Jets 16, Baltimore 7
IV Jan. 11, 1970 Kansas City 23, Minnesota 7
V Jan. 17, 1971 Baltimore 16, Dallas 13
VI Jan. 16, 1972 Dallas 24, Miami 3
VII Jan. 14, 1973 Miami 14, Washington 7
VIII Jan. 13, 1974 Miami 24, Minnesota 7
IX Jan. 12, 1975 Pittsburgh 16, Minnesota 6
X Jan. 18, 1976 Pittsburgh 21, Dallas 17
XI Jan. 9, 1977 Oakland 32, Minnesota 14
XII Jan. 15, 1978 Dallas 27, Denver 10
XIII Jan. 21, 1979 Pittsburgh 35, Dallas 31
XIV Jan. 20, 1980 Pittsburgh 31, Los Angeles Rams 19
XV Jan. 25, 1981 Oakland 27, Philadelphia 10
XVI Jan. 24, 1982 San Francisco 26, Cincinnati 21
XVII Jan. 30, 1983 Washington 27, Miami 17
XVIII Jan. 22, 1984 Los Angeles Raiders 38, Washington 9
XIX Jan. 20, 1985 San Francisco 38, Miami 16
XX Jan. 26, 1986 Chicago 46, New England 10
XXI Jan. 25, 1987 New York Giants 39, Denver 20
XXII Jan. 31, 1988 Washington 42, Denver 10
XXIII Jan. 22, 1989 San Francisco 20, Cincinnati 16
XXIV Jan. 28, 1990 San Francisco 55, Denver 10
XXV Jan. 27, 1991 New York Giants 20, Buffalo 19
XXVI Jan. 26, 1992 Washington 37, Buffalo 24
XXVIIJan. 31, 1993 Dallas 52, Buffalo 17
XXVIIIJan. 30, 1994 Dallas 30, Buffalo 13
XXIX Jan. 29, 1995 San Francisco 49, San Diego 26
XXX Jan. 28, 1996 Dallas 27, Pittsburgh 17
XXXI Jan. 26, 1997 Green Bay 35, New England 21
XXXIIJan. 25, 1998 Denver 31, Green Bay 24
XXXIIIJan. 31, 1999 Denver 34, Atlanta 19
XXXIVJan. 30, 2000 St. Louis 23, Tennessee 16
XXXVJan. 28, 2001 Baltimore 34, New York Giants 7
XXXVIFeb. 3, 2002 New England 20, St. Louis 17
XXXVIIJan. 26, 2003 Tampa Bay 48, Oakland 21
XXXVIIIFeb. 1, 2004 New England 32, Carolina 29
XXXIXFeb. 6, 2005 New England 24, Philadelphia 21
XL Feb. 5, 2006 Pittsburgh 21, Seattle 10
XLI Feb. 4, 2007 Indianapolis 29, Chicago 17
XLII Feb. 3, 2008 New York Giants 17, New England 14
XLIII Feb. 1, 2009 Pittsburgh 27, Arizona 23
XLIV Feb. 7, 2010 New Orleans 31, Indianapolis 17
XLV Feb. 6, 2011 Green Bay 31, Pittsburgh 25
XLVI Feb. 5, 2012 New York Giants 21, New England 17
XLVIIFeb. 3, 2013 Baltimore 34, San Francisco 31
XLVIIIFeb. 2, 2014 Seattle 43, Denver 8
XLIX Feb. 1, 2015 New England 28, Seattle 24
50 Feb. 7, 2016 Denver 24, Carolina 10
LI Feb. 5, 2017 New England 34, Atlanta 28
LII Feb. 4, 2018 Philadelphia 41, New England 33
LIII Feb. 3, 2019 New England 13, Los Angeles Rams 3
Were all of those lower scoring games bad games? Not all of them. Some of them were really good. Conversely, some of the higher scoring games were bad games.
All in all, fans want to see a good game and what constitutes a good game varies from person to person.
A lot of us remember when the superbowl was always a pretty awful game. Even when they were high scoring they were usually blowouts. The first SB I remember watching and saying to myself afterward "wow, that was a great game" was probably the original NE/Rams game. Then things got good and we all became spoiled.
It's also the case that the SB brings in a ton of casual viewers, or people who only watch their home team. The sorts of people who equate good with points.
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Back to the SB game, it was a great game of defense. It was almost refreshing to see a defensive led game. The NFL has changed so many rules to make the game a game of offense. The thinking is more points scored = more excitement. Not always. On the shoot out games where both teams are scoring 30+ points per game, it's sad to see defenses look almost non-existent.
Football fans say the SB game sucked. It's in part because we've become used to seeing higher scoring games over the last 15 years. Check out the super bowl final scores all time. I highlighted by winning scores of 21 points or lower by the winning team. There have been 5 SB games with low scoring outcomes in the last 17 years.
For me, this game was boring because, although both defenses played fantastically, it seemed that both offenses were inept. There were at least two instances where even decent execution by the Rams would have resulted directly or indirectly in a score. Disagree if you want, but I think 7/10 NFL quarterbacks throw a touchdown on the play where Goff threw the game-sealing interception. Heck, Goff probably makes that throw 8/10 times. While a game that is tied 3-3 after three quarters is obviously close, it takes a lot for a game like that to be interesting.
Seven out of ten NFL quarterbacks wake up Monday afternoon in the ICU wondering where the last 18 hours have gone. Duron Harmon was going to murder that boy and Goff knew it. He had to throw way off balance, and the smarter move would have been to use that arm strength of his to throw it to the person in 207 J 17.
We're seeing a lot of this. NE calls a highly uncommon (for them) safety blitz and gets pressure on Goff, and all we hear is that Goff sucks.
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^That. The only potential game-changing play that I lay at his feet was the earlier TD pass that was broken up. It was a good throw. But it was a late throw. Had he read it on time, it was an easy catch.
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Back to the SB game, it was a great game of defense. It was almost refreshing to see a defensive led game. The NFL has changed so many rules to make the game a game of offense. The thinking is more points scored = more excitement. Not always. On the shoot out games where both teams are scoring 30+ points per game, it's sad to see defenses look almost non-existent.
Football fans say the SB game sucked. It's in part because we've become used to seeing higher scoring games over the last 15 years. Check out the super bowl final scores all time. I highlighted by winning scores of 21 points or lower by the winning team. There have been 5 SB games with low scoring outcomes in the last 17 years.
For me, this game was boring because, although both defenses played fantastically, it seemed that both offenses were inept. There were at least two instances where even decent execution by the Rams would have resulted directly or indirectly in a score. Disagree if you want, but I think 7/10 NFL quarterbacks throw a touchdown on the play where Goff threw the game-sealing interception. Heck, Goff probably makes that throw 8/10 times. While a game that is tied 3-3 after three quarters is obviously close, it takes a lot for a game like that to be interesting.
But I think you're assuming... well, if not "too much", then at least enough to color the outcome. Did Goff blow that throw because physical limitations? (Not likely). Nerves/emotional limitations? (Possible, but not most probable). Human error and/or the inexactness of physical performance (Possible). Excellent coaching/execution on the opposing side that made the situation not be what it seemed? (Possible). More than one of these concurrently? (Very possible).
Again, since I'm really repeating myself here, I don't think it's a coincidence that two of the three best offenses in the league this year - DOMINANTLY so - just decided to have an off-week when playing against a Belichick-coached, Brady-led team. As for the "8out of 10 times..." line of reasoning, I go back to that World Series in New York in 2001; post-9/11, Yankees up, Mariano Rivera on the mound, and Luis Gonzales squibs a bases-loaded bloop into center field. NINE times out of ten, Rivera shuts that shit DOWN, and yet.. he didn't. It's why we play the game. I totally concede that this doesn't go to whether it's an "interesting game" or not; that's like saying "is Radiohead a great band or not?" You think so, I don't and we're both right. But for me, who loves the little things, loves the subtleties of the really greats, that game was for me. I actually don't consider it all that different a game than two years ago, when Wade Phillips, Von Miller, et al, made Cam Newton look like the mediocre quarterback I truly think he is.
EDIT: Quasi-ninja'd by El Barto.
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RK, BB and TB make this a Dynasty. And what they have done in the era of free agency is more impressive than what any other Dynasty in any other sport has ever accomplished.
I would never consider any team of any sport that's been accused of cheating (more than once BTW) a dynasty. Don't care how many championships they have.
Sooo...I guess there will never be a "dynasty" in the NFL.
Nope...and there never was. Not Pitt, 9ers, Dallas or Pats. You're confusing the NFL with a primetime television series. :lol
Back to the SB game, it was a great game of defense. It was almost refreshing to see a defensive led game. The NFL has changed so many rules to make the game a game of offense. The thinking is more points scored = more excitement. Not always. On the shoot out games where both teams are scoring 30+ points per game, it's sad to see defenses look almost non-existent.
Football fans say the SB game sucked. It's in part because we've become used to seeing higher scoring games over the last 15 years. Check out the super bowl final scores all time. I highlighted by winning scores of 21 points or lower by the winning team. There have been 5 SB games with low scoring outcomes in the last 17 years.
For me, this game was boring because, although both defenses played fantastically, it seemed that both offenses were inept. There were at least two instances where even decent execution by the Rams would have resulted directly or indirectly in a score. Disagree if you want, but I think 7/10 NFL quarterbacks throw a touchdown on the play where Goff threw the game-sealing interception. Heck, Goff probably makes that throw 8/10 times. While a game that is tied 3-3 after three quarters is obviously close, it takes a lot for a game like that to be interesting.
This. The majority of NFL fans want high scoring shootouts. They say defense wins championships. Well, that's great for the team that won the championship, but high scoring games get ratings. High powered offense on both sides is the ticket, like the Chiefs/Rams game in the regular season. That game should've been the SB.
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This. The majority of NFL fans want high scoring shootouts. They say defense wins championships. Well, that's great for the team that won the championship, but high scoring games get ratings. High powered offense on both sides is the ticket, like the Chiefs/Rams game in the regular season. That game should've been the SB.
By that logic, Taylor Swift is the greatest recording artist in the world, ever.
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A lot of us remember when the superbowl was always a pretty awful game. Even when they were high scoring they were usually blowouts. The first SB I remember watching and saying to myself afterward "wow, that was a great game" was probably the original NE/Rams game. Then things got good and we all became spoiled.
It's also the case that the SB brings in a ton of casual viewers, or people who only watch their home team. The sorts of people who equate good with points.
12 is the first one I watched. It was a mis-match and not as close as the 27-10 score indicated.
13 was a good competitive game (although not as close as the final score might indiate). 14 was also good (and probably closer than the final score indicated.
With the exception of the two 49ers v. Bengals games (16 and 23) and the Bills v. Giants game (25), they were pretty bad/non-competitive until 32. At that point, people were saying that the Lombardi Trophy should be awarded to the NFC champ. From 15-31 (and excluding 16, 23 and 25), the average margin of victory was 23 points, and the closest games (17 and 30) had 10 point margins. I went to the fan-fest for 32 in San Diego, and I can't tell you how many folks wondered out loud if they should even bother playing the game; after all, Denver was 0-4 in Super Bowls, having lost 20% of the previous 20 games.
I'm obviously biased, but I thought 32 was wildly entertaining, and since then, a solid majority of the games have been competitive and close and generally entertaining. For me, 53 was close, but not terribly competitive and definitely not entertaining.
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I am biased as well, but 32 (Broncos/Packers) was an unbelievable game and the only ones since I think that could be considered as good or better are 49 (Patriots/Seahawks), 42 (Giants/Patriots) and 52 (Eagles/Patriots). To me, a truly great game is one that is great and gripping from start to finish, not just one that had a great 4th quarter (Rams/Titans or Patriots/Panthers).
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Being a life-long Steelers fan, I absolutely love watching great defensive battles/struggles. That was my team's calling card until quite recently. That being said, I could have used a little more offense from either team in this game. I'm not talking about Rams/KC kind of offense, but something in the neighborhood of 21-17 would have been a little more entertaining to watch.
That's not to say that it was a bad game to watch. There certainly have been a few of those over the years, and this year's game was far more "gripping" to watch.
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The first SB I can honestly recall watching was SB20 and I also remember the NFC dominance and the boredom of how most of the games were blowouts for a good stretch.
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This. The majority of NFL fans want high scoring shootouts. They say defense wins championships. Well, that's great for the team that won the championship, but high scoring games get ratings. High powered offense on both sides is the ticket, like the Chiefs/Rams game in the regular season. That game should've been the SB.
By that logic, Taylor Swift is the greatest recording artist in the world, ever.
QFT
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I am biased as well, but 32 (Broncos/Packers) was an unbelievable game and the only ones since I think that could be considered as good or better are 49 (Patriots/Seahawks), 42 (Giants/Patriots) and 52 (Eagles/Patriots). To me, a truly great game is one that is great and gripping from start to finish, not just one that had a great 4th quarter (Rams/Titans or Patriots/Panthers).
Right there with you. Bias aside, I really felt like 32 was the best/most entertaining SB ever (at least of those I saw), with only the two 49ers v. Bengals games (16 and 23) and the Giants v. Bills game (25) being in the same league.
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So in XFL news,
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bob-stoops-confirms-new-job-coach-gm-xfl-team-230043732.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bob-stoops-confirms-new-job-coach-gm-xfl-team-230043732.html)
Interesting since he's a big name hire from the college ball world
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Short but sweet Belichick/Ref exchange from the SB.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/02/super-bowl-bill-belichick-roof
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AAF on CBS baby! Go Fleet!
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AAF on CBS baby! Go Fleet!
Yea I like them and the Iron. The SA defense ate them up though. Looks good, I like the no kickoffs and less commercials.
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So the Alliance of American Football started this weekend. Billing itself as a minor league to the NFL. It'll be interesting to see if it can stick around more than a season or two. One thing they're doing that I really like is having an extra official in the booth upstairs that can overrule calls on the field on the spot in real time without replays. Would love to see the NFL institute something similar.
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So the Alliance of American Football started this weekend. Billing itself as a minor league to the NFL. It'll be interesting to see if it can stick around more than a season or two. One thing they're doing that I really like is having an extra official in the booth upstairs that can overrule calls on the field on the spot in real time without replays. Would love to see the NFL institute something similar.
Absolutely no reason for the NFL not to have something like that. Probably would've changed the outcome of the Saints v. Rams game.
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Can that ref overturn judgment calls like a pass interference? I do like the idea of another ref doing real time decisions from the booth with the help of immediate replay and slow motion.
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Kyler Murray announces he'll play football instead of baseball.
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So the Alliance of American Football started this weekend. Billing itself as a minor league to the NFL. It'll be interesting to see if it can stick around more than a season or two. One thing they're doing that I really like is having an extra official in the booth upstairs that can overrule calls on the field on the spot in real time without replays. Would love to see the NFL institute something similar.
This is what can make it work. McMahon is trying to launch a competitor and it'll tank like the rest of them (maybe Grabby will help to torpedo this one, too). A farm league would be alright, though. Every once in a while you'd see some of their players picked up. The one issue I have is that you need to be playing the same game, and prohibiting more than 5 man rushes pretty much does that in.
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The NFL doesn't need a farm league, that's what college is for. If they did, previous attempts at other leagues would have been more successful. These new leagues seemed to want to take advantage of the fact the NFL was down for a couple years and had a lot of negativity towards it with the kneeing and politics. McMahon pretty much said this himself as why the XFL would be better this time around, except the NFL's rating were up and the negativity has mostly faded besides the CTE stuff that isn't going anywhere for any of these leagues as long as they keep playing football as we know it.
I think doing it in the off season is the best bet of being sustained though as people who love football will at least check out the product. Seemed the AAF benefitted from that, but can they sustain interest and generate money?
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A farm league is needed due to the complete lack of live full contact practice at both the pro and collegiate level.
And Kareem Hunt to the Browns!
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Considering how good Chubb looked last year after they traded Hyde, strange signing for the Browns. Though, Hunt is likely get a suspension of at least 6 games, so maybe they are thinking he is a fail safe if Chubb pulls a Trent Richardson (very good rookie year and then falls off the cliff).
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Hunt deserves more than six games. Given the totality of the circumstances his actions reflect worse on him than Ray Rice's.
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And the Browns continue to show that no matter the amount of talent they have on the team, the front office will always destroy any chance they have at being good.
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2019 thread here: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53408.0