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SONY MUSIC SIGNS DREAM THEATER TO A LONG-TERM DEAL VIA ITS INSIDE OUT MUSIC IMPRINT
In a career that has spanned in excess of 30 years and during which they have sold more than eight million albums, two-time Grammy-nominated US progressive-metal band Dream Theater has never done the predictable. This was evident with the release of their ambitious 2016 concept album ‘The Astonishing’ and the elaborately-produced tour that followed.
Now Dream Theater is pleased to announce that they have signed with Sony Music Entertainment worldwide, through Sony’s leading progressive music label imprint INSIDE OUT MUSIC, for the release of the band’s forthcoming 14th studio album. They join an impressive roster of bands, many of which wouldn’t exist without Dream Theater blazing a trail before them, and inspiring young musicians since the early ‘90s.
The band comments: "We are all really excited about signing a brand-new record deal with InsideOut/Sony! We've known Thomas Waber for a very long time and it's great to finally get a chance to work together. Thomas' enthusiasm, energy, music industry expertise and positive outlook towards the future of DT's recording career has been incredible to witness, and we have no doubt that being part of the InsideOut/Sony family will be an amazing creative and professional experience for all of us!"
InsideOutMusic Label Head / A&R Thomas Waber adds: “This is what the term ‘coming full circle’ was invented for. We’ve followed the band closely ever since they started touring in Europe in 1993, and there has been a lot of history and friendship between DT and us for close to 25 years. Stepping up to the plate to join with them for this next important chapter in their career feels like the natural and right thing to do. I can’t wait to get started!”
Sony Music Germany CFO Philip von Esebeck continues: “This is an important signing in our goal to support and grow the InsideOutMusic label as a brand, and we are very excited at Sony Music to welcome Dream Theater to our roster of top-tier artists!”
Since completing the theatrical stage presentation/fifteen-month touring cycle for ‘The Astonishing,’ Dream Theater have been circling the world in celebration of the 25th anniversary of the band’s much-loved and gold-selling record ‘Images & Words,’ their breakthrough album which spawned the Top 10 hit “Pull Me Under.”
Beginning in February 2017, the band has played in Europe, Japan, Australia, India, South East Asia, and the Middle East and just finished up their tour in North America.
For almost 25 years, InsideOutMusic has been one of the leading labels worldwide for progressive music and is part of the Century Media Label Group, a division of Sony Music.
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Extremely pleased with that announcement: Inside Out is a real prog label and they know how to take care of their artists. Funny that now they are with the same label than Sons of Apollo :D
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No more Roadrunner then.
:soon:
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Funny that now they are with the same label than Sons of Apollo :D
I would actually think that "hurts" more for SoA than for DT :)
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Didn't Dream Theater sign a three-record deal with Roadrunner before the self titled album? I wonder why they left Roadrunner, I seem to recall Opeth and several other bands abandoning the label.
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Nice. Maybe this explains why they put off recording a new album to next year. They were negotiating a deal that would make the most sense for them.
Funny that now they are with the same label than Sons of Apollo :D
I would actually think that "hurts" more for SoA than for DT :)
Well, maybe this would silence some of Sherinian's shots at DT.
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Funny that now they are with the same label than Sons of Apollo :D
I would actually think that "hurts" more for SoA than for DT :)
Yeah, it doesn't take an Einstein to figure who's going to be the bigger priority. :P
Didn't Dream Theater sign a three-record deal with Roadrunner before the self titled album? I wonder why they left Roadrunner, I seem to recall Opeth and several other bands abandoning the label.
Maybe TA counted as 2 albums in the contract or there'll be some kind of compilation?
Åkerfeldt said RR picked up the option for one more album, but didn't want to pay the full advance specified in their record deal, so Opeth left the label. I remember Warner shut down some of RR's offices a while ago, so they may not be doing as well as they used to and hence probably can't pay bands as well anymore.
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I get that the label is now a subsidiary of Sony but historically it's been a very small label. Hopefully this is good move for them but Inside Out doesn't have much of a track record for major bands at this point, do they?
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I do find it funny that the announcement is "we signed with Sony" when every other band who ever signed with InsideOut simply said "we signed with InsideOut".
Cool stuff anyway, IO is a great label.
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Didn't Dream Theater sign a three-record deal with Roadrunner before the self titled album? I wonder why they left Roadrunner, I seem to recall Opeth and several other bands abandoning the label.
Maybe TA counted as 2 albums in the contract
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It is not unheard of for double albums to be counted as 2 albums when it comes to a record deal.
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Great, every IO record have been good/gold so I'm expecting good music/production in the future :)
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I get that the label is now a subsidiary of Sony but historically it's been a very small label. Hopefully this is good move for them but Inside Out doesn't have much of a track record for major bands at this point, do they?
That was my first thought as well.
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Great, every IO record have been good/gold so I'm expecting good music/production in the future :)
I don't know that it'll change anything about the sound or production at all, DT just do whatever they want in that regard I think.
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Great, every IO record have been good/gold so I'm expecting good music/production in the future :)
I don't know that it'll change anything about the sound or production at all, DT just do whatever they want in that regard I think.
Yeah, I think it's been a very, very long time since a label had anything to do with the sonics of a DT record. Like maybe since FII.
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I get that the label is now a subsidiary of Sony but historically it's been a very small label. Hopefully this is good move for them but Inside Out doesn't have much of a track record for major bands at this point, do they?
That was my first thought as well.
I do believe Sony Music consolidated a lot of their assets earlier this year - i seem to remember getting a lot of emails from the imprints about new consents being required for marketing purposes etc.. And DT is the first big signing I've seen since those emails came. It's probably something Sony Music wants as it lends much more weight than just saying "Inside Out".
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I get that the label is now a subsidiary of Sony but historically it's been a very small label. Hopefully this is good move for them but Inside Out doesn't have much of a track record for major bands at this point, do they?
That was my first thought as well.
You have to take this statement by Sony in consideration:
"This is an important signing in our goal to support and grow the InsideOutMusic label as a brand, and we are very excited at Sony Music to welcome Dream Theater to our roster of top-tier artists!”
They were brought in to boost the brand. I think this bodes well for DT as they would not be goven second-fiddle treatment. They might actually be royalty in this case.
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Nice. Maybe this explains why they put off recording a new album to next year. They were negotiating a deal that would make the most sense for them.
It certainly makes sense, but on the other hand, "Promoters basically forced us to tour the whole world with I&WAB and then JP has G3 and then we'll do the album" seems a natural reason also.
Anyway, good luck to DT with the new label!
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Nice. Maybe this explains why they put off recording a new album to next year. They were negotiating a deal that would make the most sense for them.
It certainly makes sense, but on the other hand, "Promoters basically forced us to tour the whole world with I&WAB and then JP has G3 and then we'll do the album" seems a natural reason also.
Yes, but what was noticeable was the lack of urgency to record the new album which they have been religiously doing every other year.
The good thing about this piece of news is that it came out of nowhere. No leak. No hints. Nothing.
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This will hopefully be good both for Dream Theater and for Inside Out.....
Good combination
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Perhaps this means we won't have to deal with another mess similar to the release of TA's deluxe and collectors box sets!
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The sad part of this we lost our favourite meme about RR: "Soon."
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Nothing in the rules to say that :soon: "Soon" can't continue. Just as a good-natured reminder of the RR times.
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As a vinyl fan I am very happy to hear this, since every single vinyl I have bought from inside out has been extraordinary in terms of packaging and pressing. Plus, their prices are reasonable and they always show way more passion and love for their own bands than RR did.
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I'm personally quite happy about this. RoadRunner always rubbed me the wrong way, I never liked where they took the band image wise.
On another note, when kingshmegland and I met before the show in Boston, I told him "there will be some announcement after the tour ends, I'm feeling it". Called it!
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Kind of ironic: Steven Wilson goes to Caroline International which is a bigger label, and DT goes to a relatively smaller label (Inside Out). I do like however that a prog guy (Thomas Weber) is at the helm of Inside Out.
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I believe James' solo label is Inside Out too.
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Well.. this gives me "SOME" faith in "Deluxe Editions" not being bungled for nearly a year after the album release, like The Astonishing.
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Well.. this gives me "SOME" faith in "Deluxe Editions" not being bungled for nearly a year after the album release, like The Astonishing.
Word
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I had no issues with DT being on RR and I don't expect any issues with DT being on Inside Out. Just glad to see they are signed on for more music, which I never feared, but nice that they have a home with a prog label.
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Kind of ironic: Steven Wilson goes to Caroline International which is a bigger label, and DT goes to a relatively smaller label (Inside Out). I do like however that a prog guy (Thomas Weber) is at the helm of Inside Out.
Eh. Inside Out is an imprint of Sony Music, so strictly speaking DT is going up (from Warner to Sony).
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Pleased that DT are going onwards and upwards and that the IOM/Sony thing is a success. I may go see G3 next year as they are coming close to me on the south coast of England.
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Seems like a good move to me!
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Very interesting news! I don't know why, but for a long time I felt like DT were going to leave RR in the not so distant future, and it finally happened. I never expected them to sign to IO, though, since it's always been a smaller label, but after reading the press release I think this is how things played out:
Based on the comments about them being good friends with the president of IO for a long time, I think they always had the chance/were offered to join, but the label was too small for them at the time and they decided to stay with RR, since there's no way DT would sign to a smaller, indie label. Then, Sony acquired Century Media (Inside Out's parent company) in 2015 and things started to look better for IO, now under one of the big 3 record labels (Sony, Universal and Warner). And, after some of the issues with RR and the deluxe versions of TA (and I'm sure a lot of other stuff), I think DT felt it was time to leave Roadrunner and go to, basically, the home of most current prog bands out there.
I think this is a great thing for both DT (as, probably, the biggest band with Inside Out) and IO, which just signed one of the founders of prog metal, and surely the most succesful one.
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I get that the label is now a subsidiary of Sony but historically it's been a very small label. Hopefully this is good move for them but Inside Out doesn't have much of a track record for major bands at this point, do they?
Aside from the comments already made about having Sony's backing, you can be sure that the band would be very careful about not making a misstep by switching labels - not since Frank Solomon's been their manager, and of course JP being very involved in the business aspects of the band.
SONY MUSIC SIGNS DREAM THEATER TO A LONG-TERM DEAL VIA ITS INSIDE OUT MUSIC IMPRINT
What I'm most curious about is what this "long-term deal" is - for how many years or for how many albums? We knew that they were signed with Atco/EastWest/Elektra/Warner for 7 albums, for 3 albums with the first RR contract, and 3 albums for the second RR contract, but how about this one?
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Kind of ironic: Steven Wilson goes to Caroline International which is a bigger label, and DT goes to a relatively smaller label (Inside Out). I do like however that a prog guy (Thomas Weber) is at the helm of Inside Out.
Eh. Inside Out is an imprint of Sony Music, so strictly speaking DT is going up (from Warner to Sony).
Just because IO is part of Sony, that doesn't make IO a big label.
Don't get me wrong, just wanted to start a discussion on my comment. Steven Wilson WANTED a bigger label and more exposure. I'm pretty sure DT wants more exposure and more ways to get the music out there. Having Sony backing IO opens up a lot of more options on the distribution side. But having IO and them specializing in prog is a huge advantage over what they had in Roadrunner, which was more metal oriented.
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Maybe ROADRUNNER dropped them due to poor sales of The Astonishing
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But having IO and them specializing in prog is a huge advantage over what they had in Roadrunner, which was more metal oriented.
Why is that a huge advantage? Isn't prog much more of a niche market than metal?
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Maybe ROADRUNNER dropped them due to poor sales of The Astonishing
It came in at #11 on the US Billboard
I can't say for certain but I don't think "sales" was the problem.
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Definitely in good company. And the trash talk from SoA is sure to stop now.
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DT/SOA double bill anyone? :lol
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Maybe ROADRUNNER dropped them due to poor sales of The Astonishing
I would think The Astonishing (which was a double album and is going to cost more than a single CD) selling 25k copies on the first week is better than selling around 35k of a single CD.
Besides, plenty of bands that have name value have left Roadrunner in the last couple of years. Nickelback (went to BMG). Alter Bridge (went to Napalm Records). Opeth (went to Nuclear Blast). Black Stone Cherry (went to Mascot Records) to name a few.
Anyway, Inside Out has a good amount of great prog bands. I'm sure DT will be fine, especially when they are most likely the most well known band on the label so the label support should be there. It worked for Alter Bridge when they switched to Napalm.
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Yeah, give or take from the list of bands, I'd say that DT is now the biggest band on Inside Out. Pain of Salvations, Devin Townsend and Ayreon if they'd actrually tour are the only other acts I can think that would draw at concerts the same numbers of DT... and I'm not so sure about PoS either.
EDIT: Checked out Setlist.fm for PoS and Devin's last gigs in Italy, PoS played a quite small club, and Devin Townsend a mid-to-big venue, I was there for a folk-rock act I follow since many years and to me it was absolutely packed and the singer himself told me there were 1700 people, so if that wasn't a sellout, I can't imagine the venue holding more than 2000. DT here always play the same venue Iron Maiden fill.
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I can tell you that DT (Devin Townsend) is no where close to as popular as DT (Dream Theater)
From my perspective, Dream Theater is the biggest band on this label.
DT/SOA double bill anyone? :lol
Honestly would be amazing for both bands to do this, but yea, not going to happen.
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Honestly would be amazing for both bands to do this, but yea, not going to happen.
No way. If DT went on their next tour with either a supporting act or co-headliner, there are dozens and dozens of other bands their fans would rather see on the bill.
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Eh, I don't know about that. Sure we can argue day and night about which bands we want to see, and never agree, but I think many DT fans would appreciate seeing MP and DS again and not have to go to a separate show to do so. I'd guess many of the people who aren't fans of SOA would still get to the show on time to check them out if they opened for DT whereas I know I've purposely missed some of DT's openers in the past.
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Eh, I don't know about that. Sure we can argue day and night about which bands we want to see, and never agree, but I think many DT fans would appreciate seeing MP and DS again and not have to go to a separate show to do so. I'd guess many of the people who aren't fans of SOA would still get to the show on time to check them out if they opened for DT whereas I know I've purposely missed some of DT's openers in the past.
Yeah, in a normal world, SoA would be about the best imaginable opening act for DT. Then Mike and Derek could join DT for a song or two in the encore. But yeah, it would never happen, there are better odds for both Elvis and JFK being alive today.
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I'm fascinated by the state of the record industry. When I started getting into music in the 90s, Roadrunner was known for getting obscure bands from Denmark and Brazil, and then signs a somewhat biggish band like Dream Theater.
Now Inside Out that I knew of as the label that released obscure side projects gets Dream Theater.
Nuclear Blast is a pretty big label now as is Century Media.
Of course all of those have been absorbed by huge labels but it is still amazing to me. I used to have to drive to this small record store in another state because I knew they carried most of the stuff by these tiny labels.
I also think that proves that this modern age and the whole debate about downloading and whatever really only hurt big labels. Arguably it helped small labels.
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So... Haken opening for Dream Theater might be a possibility now? :biggrin:
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So... Haken opening for Dream Theater might be a possibility now? :biggrin:
That would be great, but it actually happened before (kinda). In 2015, DT played a couple shows in Europe where both Haken and Devin Townsend Project opened for them. A full tour with Haken would be much better, though :metal
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Now if only we could get JP to sign with InsideOut so we can get that damn follow up to Suspended Animation. ;)
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Didn't Dream Theater sign a three-record deal with Roadrunner before the self titled album? I wonder why they left Roadrunner, I seem to recall Opeth and several other bands abandoning the label.
I think they did sign a 3-album deal and the third album should be upcoming live album from the Images & Wordls 25th Annniversary tour. In other words, the Astonishing does NOT count as two albums, I don't know why anyone would think that.
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Do live albums count? Because if they do, then BTFW already fulfilled the requirement.
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If they do, Luna Park should also be taken into account. What does make the most sense to me is counting a double album as two albums, I've heard of that before.
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LALP was not Roadrunner, right?
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Correct, it was Eagle Rock.
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But having IO and them specializing in prog is a huge advantage over what they had in Roadrunner, which was more metal oriented.
Why is that a huge advantage? Isn't prog much more of a niche market than metal?
On IO DT is by far the biggest fish in the pool, so they're probably much more motivated to promote and push the band than RR, where DT was always going to play second fiddle to the likes of Korn and Slipknot. When you add the fact that they've got Sony's distribution on top of that, I can't see the next album doing much worse than the last few.
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Had no idea that InsodeOut has been acquired by Sony!...
But InsideOut has been a quality label in the past, so this should be a good move by DT!
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On IO DT is by far the biggest fish in the pool, so they're probably much more motivated to promote and push the band than RR, where DT was always going to play second fiddle to the likes of Korn and Slipknot. When you add the fact that they've got Sony's distribution on top of that, I can't see the next album doing much worse than the last few.
That's a good point, hopefully IO really promotes and pushes DT since, like you said, they are the biggest act on the label now.
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Saying DT are moving "up" to Inside Out because they fall under Sony is pretty fallacious, because by that logic DT are already part of Warner. Inside Out is a cool label though, and it seems like the bands there move kinda at their own pace. DT aren't moving "up" though, they are downsizing. They are moving from a label where they are "one of" the bands signed (maybe a mid-tier one), to a label where I imagine they'll immediately be the largest band in the portfolio.
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Saying DT are moving "up" to Inside Out because they fall under Sony is pretty fallacious, because by that logic DT are already part of Warner. Inside Out is a cool label though, and it seems like the bands there move kinda at their own pace. DT aren't moving "up" though, they are downsizing. They are moving from a label where they are "one of" the bands signed (maybe a mid-tier one), to a label where I imagine they'll immediately be the largest band in the portfolio.
Yes, and? For all intents and purposes Warner was the label for DT. All people I were in contact with regarding DT in both Norway and the us were Warner employees, not roadrunner employees. Roadrunner has been completely consolidated into the Warner organization and currently exists only as brand name. Not to mention they’ve been leaking bands for years - they’re not the go to metal label they once were... look at their roster, it’s tiny and narrow. Not at all fitting with DT.
InsideOut is much earlier in the same process with Sony - and still exists as its own enitity - but i will have to contact Sony locally. Sony is a bigger label than Warner.
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Saying DT are moving "up" to Inside Out because they fall under Sony is pretty fallacious, because by that logic DT are already part of Warner. Inside Out is a cool label though, and it seems like the bands there move kinda at their own pace. DT aren't moving "up" though, they are downsizing. They are moving from a label where they are "one of" the bands signed (maybe a mid-tier one), to a label where I imagine they'll immediately be the largest band in the portfolio.
Yes, and? For all intents and purposes Warner was the label for DT. All people I were in contact with regarding DT in both Norway and the us were Warner employees, not roadrunner employees. Roadrunner has been completely consolidated into the Warner organization and currently exists only as brand name. Not to mention they’ve been leaking bands for years - they’re not the go to metal label they once were... look at their roster, it’s tiny and narrow. Not at all fitting with DT.
InsideOut is much earlier in the same process with Sony - and still exists as its own enitity - but i will have to contact Sony locally. Sony is a bigger label than Warner.
This is great information but I don't see how it's relevant to my post at all. Yes, Sony are bigger than Warner. No, DT are not "moving up" and getting the "big label treatment" with this move, as some have suggested. If anything, they are moving to a smaller home, where they will be one of (if not the uncontested) largest band on their label. This isn't a good or bad thing, just a logical move for them in their career, and I hope it'll foster for them a more healthy creative environment and less awkward tour pairings (lookin' at you, Trivium). If the band give any more input as to why this change was made, perhaps that will shed some light on why they decided to move from their current label to a smaller one, but for now, I am hoping to sober the thoughts of some who apparently misunderstand the meaning of the headlines, which in fairness were pretty unclear.
For me, maybe this allows this move lets them finally ditch the compulsory creativity they seem to have gotten themselves into with their rigorous tour/album cycle. Maybe they take more time, tour less, ditch the mallgoth threads, who knows. Until when/if the band speak, we really don't know what they're thinking, or why they want to do this, and honestly we don't even know if leaving RR was their choice, but I think it's fair to presume that obviously something about what they've been doing for the last few cycles wasn't sitting right.
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I will say as an amendment to that, we now have Steven Wilson, Opeth, and DT who all came aboard RR around the same time, all off Roadrunner, with the former two on record as having been very unhappy with the label. I suspect JP will keep things above board, but I wouldn't be surprised if DT's issues weren't similar to those faced by Wilson and Opeth.
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I wonder if the RR problems happened more towards the end of their tenure, like around the time of the Astonishing. Things were mostly smooth with ADTOE and DT12. I mean, Live at Luna Park was delayed for a while but I wonder if that was a RR problem or something with the recording. The album releases and tours were pretty well run and they were able to hit #7 and #8 on the Billboard Top 200.
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This is entirely my personal perception of the matter, but when DT joined RR, it seemed they had a "plan" with DT, and that plan was to go metal, and by extension, go big. That's what RR signs, it's what they do.So, the hair got long, dyed black, and it was all leather jackets and gritty promo pics.
But, in the end DT is DT, and TA was an assertion of what they are about, which is "dare, or go home". Tour-wise it didn't work out, we all know that.
In my mind, that's probably how this long IAW tour came about, as an attempt to revitalize the base, and please RoadRunner at the same time.
However, I think we all know that there is a huge difference between the number of people who show up for "IAW Live" versus "Best of DT12 and TA". As kingshmegland's friend so poignantly said before the Boston gig "two new album songs, max. Nobody wants to hear that stuff!"
From that realization I think all parties probably said "let's part here, and we'll move to a label that specializes in smaller, dedicated fans bases". I am very happy with that development, I think a less hamstrung DT will make for better music.
To reiterate, all just personal hunch and theories.
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Funny that now they are with the same label than Sons of Apollo :D
I would actually think that "hurts" more for SoA than for DT :)
And maybe this opens up future options for, shall we say reunions, that may not be limited to a throne? And maybe Russel Allan is looking for a new label as well. Just sayin'
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The more I read about the two labels, the more I think this was a really good decision. tbh, looking over the roster for Inside Out, this seems like it's a much better fit for where DT is now than RR was. I'm kind of curious how this is going to change their overall sound and image since Inside Out is heavily prog-centered, while RR was primarily more about metal. The possibilities of touring with Haken, Frost*, Headspace, Haken, Redemption, and Haken are pretty cool too. Honestly, the only thing I could see possibly being better for them would be signing with the main branch of a major label or pulling a Metallica and starting their own label. I think they're on the cusp of being popular enough to pull either of those things off.
And I doubt there's even a remote possibility of a SoA/DT reunion.
If anything, they are moving to a smaller home, where they will be one of (if not the uncontested) largest band on their label.
Oh yeah, I'd say they are unquestionably the biggest band on the label by a huge margin. The only ones that come closest to DT are Kansas, Arjen Lucassen and his projects, Neal Morse, and Steve Howe (who is no longer on the label) and there's a huge gap between them. In terms of "in-house prestige", I'd say this is definitely a huge step-up for them. They're probably going to be treated like royalty while with Inside Out.
I will say as an amendment to that, we now have Steven Wilson, Opeth, and DT who all came aboard RR around the same time, all off Roadrunner, with the former two on record as having been very unhappy with the label. I suspect JP will keep things above board, but I wouldn't be surprised if DT's issues weren't similar to those faced by Wilson and Opeth.
A bit off-topic, but does anyone have a link to an interview where Steven Wilson talked about leaving RoadRunner? I couldn't find anything when I searched, but found a little bit on why Opeth left (even though it didn't go into extreme detail).
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I don't really think the label change is going to have an effect on the music. Maybe Road Runner wanted to push the metal image, and maybe they went along with it (or maybe they liked that image anyway), but I don't think RR made their music any better or worse than it would have been had they been on a different label. Dream Theater did Train of Thought before Road Runner, and I'd say that's their most metal album from start to finish. Yes you've got Systematic Chaos on Road Runner, but I don't think Black Clouds is super metal, and certainly not the last 3 either. I think they are and having been making the kind of music they want to make. I suspect that's exactly what they'll continue to do with Inside Out.
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I don't really think the label change is going to have an effect on the music. Maybe Road Runner wanted to push the metal image, and maybe they went along with it (or maybe they liked that image anyway), but I don't think RR made their music any better or worse than it would have been had they been on a different label. Dream Theater did Train of Thought before Road Runner, and I'd say that's their most metal album from start to finish. Yes you've got Systematic Chaos on Road Runner, but I don't think Black Clouds is super metal, and certainly not the last 3 either. I think they are and having been making the kind of music they want to make. I suspect that's exactly what they'll continue to do with Inside Out.
They also recorded Systematic Chaos before they got the RR deal.
I think whatever influence RR had on DT it was minor and had no bearing on the actual music. I don't doubt that RR was a little weirded out by The Astonishing and maybe its tepid reception but I honestly think the switch had more to do with RR having problems in general and DT probably getting a sweet deal from Inside Out.
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Once again, lots of bands with name value left Roadrunner in the last couple of years. I don't think Dream Theater leaving Roadrunner had much to do with the reception of The Astonishing, but rather the status of the label as a whole.
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My bad, should've been clearer. I meant that changing labels from the more metal-centered RR to Inside Out was possibly more of an indication of how the band wanted to develop their style and image for the time being, not that RR was going all "Riffson. Rick Riffson. Super Metal Records" on Dream Theater and forcing them to be metal. DT's gonna do their thing no matter what, I was just thinking that this is more of an indicator of what they want.
And I disagree about BC&SL and DT12 not being particularly metal. Those two are up there with Systematic Chaos, Awake, and ToT as being their most metal-centric album (DT12 moreso).
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Great, every IO record have been good/gold so I'm expecting good music/production in the future :)
I don't know that it'll change anything about the sound or production at all, DT just do whatever they want in that regard I think.
I'm not real familiar with how label changes work. Does the switch to Inside Out mean DT gets to work with a different producer?
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The more I read about the two labels, the more I think this was a really good decision. tbh, looking over the roster for Inside Out, this seems like it's a much better fit for where DT is now than RR was. I'm kind of curious how this is going to change their overall sound and image since Inside Out is heavily prog-centered, while RR was primarily more about metal. The possibilities of touring with Haken, Frost*, Headspace, Haken, Redemption, and Haken are pretty cool too. Honestly, the only thing I could see possibly being better for them would be signing with the main branch of a major label or pulling a Metallica and starting their own label. I think they're on the cusp of being popular enough to pull either of those things off.
And I doubt there's even a remote possibility of a SoA/DT reunion.
If anything, they are moving to a smaller home, where they will be one of (if not the uncontested) largest band on their label.
Oh yeah, I'd say they are unquestionably the biggest band on the label by a huge margin. The only ones that come closest to DT are Kansas, Arjen Lucassen and his projects, Neal Morse, and Steve Howe (who is no longer on the label) and there's a huge gap between them. In terms of "in-house prestige", I'd say this is definitely a huge step-up for them. They're probably going to be treated like royalty while with Inside Out.
I will say as an amendment to that, we now have Steven Wilson, Opeth, and DT who all came aboard RR around the same time, all off Roadrunner, with the former two on record as having been very unhappy with the label. I suspect JP will keep things above board, but I wouldn't be surprised if DT's issues weren't similar to those faced by Wilson and Opeth.
A bit off-topic, but does anyone have a link to an interview where Steven Wilson talked about leaving RoadRunner? I couldn't find anything when I searched, but found a little bit on why Opeth left (even though it didn't go into extreme detail).
Steve Howe just recently released NEXUS under IO
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I also definitely want to postface my comments with the opinion that I think DT downsizing is a "good" thing. I wouldn't mind seeing them become sort of like a Marillion, who are well past the point of trying to dominate the market and are just happy to keep churning out new music their fans enjoy.
A bit off-topic, but does anyone have a link to an interview where Steven Wilson talked about leaving RoadRunner? I couldn't find anything when I searched, but found a little bit on why Opeth left (even though it didn't go into extreme detail).
I recall him saying that he was unhappy the label essentially forced the release of Octane Twisted. Consequentially his last release under RR, aside from Storm Corrosion I guess.
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I'm not real familiar with how label changes work. Does the switch to Inside Out mean DT gets to work with a different producer?
Not likely. JP has produced pretty much every single album to date, and I don't see that changing.
Steve Howe just recently released NEXUS under IO
Huh, did he? Inside Out needs to update their website then, because he's listed under former artists. :P
I recall him saying that he was unhappy the label essentially forced the release of Octane Twisted. Consequentially his last release under RR, aside from Storm Corrosion I guess.
Wasn't Octane Twisted released through Kscope though? All I'm seeing for RR albums is FoaBP, The Incident, and Storm Corrosion.
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I'm not real familiar with how label changes work. Does the switch to Inside Out mean DT gets to work with a different producer?
Not likely. JP has produced pretty much every single album to date, and I don't see that changing.
Steve Howe just recently released NEXUS under IO
Huh, did he? Inside Out needs to update their website then, because he's listed under former artists. :P
Yup, he did
Quoting the release info:
“Nexus" is the collaborative record by Yes-guitarist Steve Howe and his son - the late great Virgil Howe who passed away suddenly on September 11, 2017 aged 41.
Steve Howe ultimately decided to continue with this release in early October and explains: “Virgil and I had only recently completed recording “Nexus”, which contains eleven of his tunes to which I added a guitar to suit each one. We delivered it to InsideOutMusic in August for release on November 17, 2017. We started to work together in 2016 by selecting about nine tunes from his ‘stockpile’ of piano based music that he’d periodically sent Jan & I each time he’d written and recorded a new idea. I began adding guitars to them, then I’d play them to Virgil. He’d then surprise me by bringing up other channels of instrumentation which I’d never heard. The tunes went from straightforward ‘duets’ to something bigger & better, more of a complete picture than a mere shape. “Free Fall” & “Nick’s Star” were added from earlier sessions, the latter being his tribute to the passing of his best friend Nick Hirsch. “Nexus” explores a completely different side of Virgil’s ability, as a writer & keyboard player – ‘in his own right’. His talents were multi-diverse, so sitting at a keyboard & computer or in the middle of his drum kit, at all his regular DJ-ing gigs or on the radio, he always gave his best. We hope that the music just completed will stand as a fitting tribute to his life and legacy.”
“Nexus” is an instrumental, cinematic record fusing wonderful keys, brilliant guitar playing, and dynamic, moody grooves.
Release date: Friday, November 17, 2017
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I also definitely want to postface my comments with the opinion that I think DT downsizing is a "good" thing. I wouldn't mind seeing them become sort of like a Marillion, who are well past the point of trying to dominate the market and are just happy to keep churning out new music their fans enjoy.
A bit off-topic, but does anyone have a link to an interview where Steven Wilson talked about leaving RoadRunner? I couldn't find anything when I searched, but found a little bit on why Opeth left (even though it didn't go into extreme detail).
I recall him saying that he was unhappy the label essentially forced the release of Octane Twisted. Consequentially his last release under RR, aside from Storm Corrosion I guess.
It was the other PT band members who forced the release of Octane Twisted. Wilson got out voted.
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This photo that came with the announcement:
(https://scontent.fmnl10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25158280_10154931142677181_6293457262231134816_n.jpg?oh=cc8c4245348e407189ec408e3f9d2747&oe=5AC96E46)
It still screams metal, but at least James and Mike are smiling. :lol
I also find it funny that James is wearing a SoA shirt. Sons of Anarchy. :lol
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That photo is horrible.
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That photo is horrible.
Yes it is. Two band members out of five are cropped (maybe it was a larger pic adapted?) and the "gritty" effect on their faces, especially Jordan, is ugly.
Also they look too metal for the kind of music they do. Iron Maiden themselves always dress casual in the booklet pics, take a hint DT!
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I think the picture is fine, some of the effects and fakeness look is a bit much
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i think back in the day when RR was run by Cees wessels it was a good label for bands to be with,I think that changed when it was sold to Warner.Offices closed down and the contact with bands was changed due to let go of persons.At least that's what i've read once from a band who left RR.
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That photo is horrible.
Yes it is. Two band members out of five are cropped (maybe it was a larger pic adapted?) and the "gritty" effect on their faces, especially Jordan, is ugly.
Also they look too metal for the kind of music they do. Iron Maiden themselves always dress casual in the booklet pics, take a hint DT!
Yeah, the pic is kind of "icky".
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That photo is horrible.
Yes it is. Two band members out of five are cropped (maybe it was a larger pic adapted?) and the "gritty" effect on their faces, especially Jordan, is ugly.
Also they look too metal for the kind of music they do. Iron Maiden themselves always dress casual in the booklet pics, take a hint DT!
The picture that I saw on DT.net or Blabbermouth weren't cropped, but I agree with the other comments about the effects and the metal look.
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I love critiquing the way they dress. Maybe we should start a separate fashion thread for all the fashionistas.
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I think the picture looks fine, the main thing is that they look like a band.
(https://rockaxis.com/sites/default/files/styles/imagen_full/public/node/entrevistas/imagen/94632.jpg)
These guys look like a bunch of thugs about to get into a fight
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Is James sitting on Mike and John's laps? Can't they get a bigger sofa?
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It's called 'Manspreading.'
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(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/dreamtheater/images/8/8d/Mike-mangini_DT.jpg)
This was THE look for me.
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It's always been the same, DT releases big news with some photo and after some comments about the actual news we get stuck on the picture and kinda stay there :rollin
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It's always been the same, DT releases big news with some photo and after some comments about the actual news we get stuck on the picture and kinda stay there :rollin
I'm not bashing the band, I'm one of the biggest DT fanboys around. But I highly doubt the guys got together and decided to strike that look. And if Sony thinks that kind of image is going to draw in new fans I think they don't really understand the appeal of DT.
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That would be a fine picture IF DT was a black metal band. They're not, and that's an awful picture to put out there.
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Not telling you are bashing, just observing :D
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Not telling you are bashing, just observing :D
It's cool. With no new DT release for over a year we will all have cabin fever by then. We will be discussing what deodorant MM wears and which member makes the best waffles.
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Well, to be fair, I don't think there's a single band photo in the entire history of the world that doesn't look either ridiculously uncomfortable or silly. Metal bands have it the worst.
We will be discussing what deodorant MM wears and which member makes the best waffles.
I'm going to go with Mangini on that one. Petrucci abandoned eating human food centuries ago when he found that eating planets improved his guitar playing ability, Rudess and Myung don't strike me as the waffle type, and LaBrie I would guess leans more towards pancakes. Mangini seems like he has the personality of a cool goofy dad, so he probably has a good breakfast repertoire and wears Old Spice because he likes the commercials so much.
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:rollin
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It's always been the same, DT releases big news with some photo and after some comments about the actual news we get stuck on the picture and kinda stay there :rollin
I'm not bashing the band, I'm one of the biggest DT fanboys around. But I highly doubt the guys got together and decided to strike that look. And if Sony thinks that kind of image is going to draw in new fans I think they don't really understand the appeal of DT.
But aren't those outfits the same as what the perform live in?
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It's always been the same, DT releases big news with some photo and after some comments about the actual news we get stuck on the picture and kinda stay there :rollin
I'm not bashing the band, I'm one of the biggest DT fanboys around. But I highly doubt the guys got together and decided to strike that look. And if Sony thinks that kind of image is going to draw in new fans I think they don't really understand the appeal of DT.
But aren't those outfits the same as what the perform live in?
Basically, yeah. Not sure why anyone would fault the band or the label for the band just basically being themselves.
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It's not the clothes. It's the metal death stares and morose expressions. To me DT's music is about skill rather than attitude. It's about inspiration, hope and creativity rather than we will F you up if you piss us off. And I really don't care what they look like but when I think DT I don't think of them as a typical metal band, which is kinda the way the pic makes them look. That would certainly be selling them short. But it matters not truly, I just think it is not a good pic.
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There's nothing about their look that makes me feel like you feel. I guess just opinions and all. But MM has a smirk, not really intimidating. Other than wearing black, there's nothing that says death metal and even wearing black, to me, doesn't associate with some tough guy death metal look.
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It's always been the same, DT releases big news with some photo and after some comments about the actual news we get stuck on the picture and kinda stay there :rollin
I'm not bashing the band, I'm one of the biggest DT fanboys around. But I highly doubt the guys got together and decided to strike that look. And if Sony thinks that kind of image is going to draw in new fans I think they don't really understand the appeal of DT.
Well, I love metal, was drawn to DT originally by their heavier sounds ( and piano and stories and orchestral sound, oh, so the prog...) I like the edgy look. I guess I am in the minority, but that is my female perspective. I think that it is fun to see JP looking like a hit man and JLB as the good guy lol!
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It's always been the same, DT releases big news with some photo and after some comments about the actual news we get stuck on the picture and kinda stay there :rollin
I'm not bashing the band, I'm one of the biggest DT fanboys around. But I highly doubt the guys got together and decided to strike that look. And if Sony thinks that kind of image is going to draw in new fans I think they don't really understand the appeal of DT.
Well, I love metal, was drawn to DT originally by their heavier sounds ( and piano and stories and orchestral sound, oh, so the prog...) I like the edgy look. I guess I am in the minority, but that is my female perspective. I think that it is fun to see JP looking like a hit man and JLB as the good guy lol!
I was also drawn to DT by the heavy side of their sound. And I also like the "metal/dark" look (my least favorite in that regard was the FII era).
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I'm going to go with Mangini on that one. Petrucci abandoned eating human food centuries ago when he found that eating planets improved his guitar playing ability, Rudess and Myung don't strike me as the waffle type, and LaBrie I would guess leans more towards pancakes. Mangini seems like he has the personality of a cool goofy dad, so he probably has a good breakfast repertoire and wears Old Spice because he likes the commercials so much.
Are you serious? Jordan is THE waffle guy in the band.
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I'm going to go with Mangini on that one. Petrucci abandoned eating human food centuries ago when he found that eating planets improved his guitar playing ability, Rudess and Myung don't strike me as the waffle type, and LaBrie I would guess leans more towards pancakes. Mangini seems like he has the personality of a cool goofy dad, so he probably has a good breakfast repertoire and wears Old Spice because he likes the commercials so much.
Are you serious? Jordan is THE waffle guy in the band.
I would've pegged him more as a "breakfast burrito with scrambled eggs, a nice delectable fruit array, a cup of coffee, hashbrowns, and the energy from a pocket universe he designed using synthesis" kind of guy.
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Roadrunner seems to have the more straight up "heavy" bands which in my opinion do not fit Dream Theater's identity. If you scroll through RR's roster, DT seems to be the one that doesn't look like the other. (Trivium, Korn, Killswitch Engage, etc.)
With Inside Out, DT fits in more. You look at the I/O roster and can see how DT fits better. (Fates Warning, Spock's Beard, Haken, etc.)
Of course it all comes down to business. The band and management must make decisions based on what is best for the band.
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Would love for a DT/FW/Haken bill. :metal
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DT and Haken would really be a solid bill and huge for Haken. Plus I think a lot of DT fans unfamiliar would enjoy them
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Would love for a DT/FW/Haken bill. :metal
Just in general I would love to see multi-band bills again. This has nothing directly to do with DT, but I start zoning out after 2 hours of the same band, no matter who it is.
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Would love for a DT/FW/Haken bill. :metal
Just in general I would love to see multi-band bills again. This has nothing directly to do with DT, but I start zoning out after 2 hours of the same band, no matter who it is.
I'd guess the next tour to support the next album will not be an evening with. They've done it a couple times in a row now to support DT12 and TA and now also with the I&W tour. I think at this point, DT would welcome a set under 2 hours.
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Would love for a DT/FW/Haken bill. :metal
Yeah, that would be perfect. I just rarely have time for those 3 - 3 1/2 hour sets anymore. So a show where I could skip two boring openers and get a shorter headlining set would be nice for a change.
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Just in general I would love to see multi-band bills again. This has nothing directly to do with DT, but I start zoning out after 2 hours of the same band, no matter who it is.
I just rarely have time for those 3 - 3 1/2 hour sets anymore. So a show where I could skip two boring openers and get a shorter headlining set would be nice for a change.
....or you guys could just leave the show early (and beat the traffic rush), and everyone else could continue enjoying the show. ;)
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:lol Actually, joking aside, FW and DT together would be a dream bill for me, since I don't think I'll get to see FW any other way. Theories was my album of the year for 2016.
Haken, on the other hand...I get that they're popular, but they just bore me to tears and vomit-induced tremors.
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I saw DT and FW on the Awake tour in Seattle. Awesome show! :metal
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I saw DT and FW on the Awake tour in Seattle. Awesome show! :metal
What venue?
And is that the last time FW was relevant? :biggrin: Sorry I just don't get FW at all.
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Fates Warning rules. If DT decides to have an opener, FW would be awesome. But I hope they don't. Would much rather see as much DT material as possible.
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Haken, on the other hand...I get that they're popular, but they just bore me to tears and vomit-induced tremors.
You are a terrible person.
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Haken, on the other hand...I get that they're popular, but they just bore me to tears and vomit-induced tremors.
Phew, I thought there was something wrong with me :lol I forced myself to listen to Haken over and over cause I was sure I'd 'get' it at some point
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I remember when Dream Theater took Trivium on tour as the opening act several years ago. It's not like only prog metal bands should be taken into account when considering potential opening acts. If they did however decide to go with a prog band that should get more exposure, bands like Haken, Vola and Caligula's Horse would be my top picks.
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:lol Actually, joking aside, FW and DT together would be a dream bill for me, since I don't think I'll get to see FW any other way. Theories was my album of the year for 2016.
Haken, on the other hand...I get that they're popular, but they just bore me to tears and vomit-induced tremors.
Their biggest problem is the singer.
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Not the singer specifically, but the vocal melodies. Not every note has to be sustained for a full bar ???
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Not the singer specifically, but the vocal melodies. Not every note has to be sustained for a full bar ???
I've heard this comment before and can never understand it. Yes, their vocal melodies include long, sustained notes sometimes, but 1. I think that when they do that, it creates a cool contrast with the fast staccato-riffs and time signature changes, plus, it lines up pretty cool with some of the spacy keyboard passages and 2. I don't even feel that they do that too often.
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Imagine a guitar lead line where a guitarist plays a single note for a whole bar, no vibrato or bends. Then in the next bar he plays a different note, doing the same thing. That's how Hakens vocal lines make me feel. It's also like someone talking to me really slowly, as if I'm not particularly clever and need things explained to me slowly. Waaaattteeeeerrrr flooowwwiiing throuuuuuugh myyyyyyy veeeeiiiiiinss
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I’m a BIG Haken fan but I kinda have to agree that the band’s approach towards vocal melody is very unique (strange, even). I love most of their songs by now but it took me some time to really understand and appreciate them. They are rather unconventional and not very easy on the ears but strangely they seem to fit Ross just fine.
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I saw DT and FW on the Awake tour in Seattle. Awesome show! :metal
What venue?
And is that the last time FW was relevant? :biggrin: Sorry I just don't get FW at all.
It was a The Moore Theater.. FW was kind of forgettable, but DT was awesome!
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The Kevin Moore theater? :neverusethis:
That is a great venue and where I saw them on the ToT tour. Just curious where they played back in the mid-90s and too lazy to look it up.
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(https://i.imgur.com/2AsSGfS.jpg)
Definitely in good company. And the trash talk from SoA is sure to stop now.
InsideOut should do a prog festival. That line-up! :o
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I’m a BIG Haken fan but I kinda have to agree that the band’s approach towards vocal melody is very unique (strange, even). I love most of their songs by now but it took me some time to really understand and appreciate them. They are rather unconventional and not very easy on the ears but strangely they seem to fit Ross just fine.
When I heard Aquarius the first time I loved it instantly. One of my first thoughts was "I can't imagine any DT fan NOT liking this". I have almost never heard a band which required less work to get into than Haken.
I can see Haken taking DTs throne after they retire. There's a lot of comments out there saying they love the music but they have problems with the singer. Sound familiar? ;)
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I’m a BIG Haken fan but I kinda have to agree that the band’s approach towards vocal melody is very unique (strange, even). I love most of their songs by now but it took me some time to really understand and appreciate them. They are rather unconventional and not very easy on the ears but strangely they seem to fit Ross just fine.
When I heard Aquarius the first time I loved it instantly. One of my first thoughts was "I can't imagine any DT fan NOT liking this". I have almost never heard a band which required less work to get into than Haken.
I can see Haken taking DTs throne after they retire. There's a lot of comments out there saying they love the music but they have problems with the singer. Sound familiar? ;)
The problem for them will be that even if they sit on the throne, the kingdom is much smaller now than it was for DT in their prime.
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One of my first thoughts was "I can't imagine any DT fan NOT liking this". I have almost never heard a band which required less work to get into than Haken.
They lack the rockin'. There's a lot of weird timing and chord changes but a lacking of rockin'. That's why I like Sons Of Apollo more than Haken
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When I heard Aquarius the first time I loved it instantly. One of my first thoughts was "I can't imagine any DT fan NOT liking this". I have almost never heard a band which required less work to get into than Haken.
I like Haken's second and third album, but not the first and fourth album and the EP. They tend to have very long instrumentals that have so many repeating patterns. Move on to the next musical idea already!
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First of all, is Jordan wearing leather (or pleather) pants in that photo?! Wasn't he the one who asked JLB and JM during the LSFNY band commentary how they keep their leather pants clean? Can we now safely assume Jordan has figured out the answer to that question?
Second, Mangini looks like he's the first one lose it and crack up in response to someone off camera telling them to "look brooding but accessible!"
Third, does Petrucci share beard grooming tips with Justin Turner and Dallas Keuchel?
Fourth: Myung eats egg white omelettes; Petrucci eats steel cut oatmeal infused with protein powder; Rudess is a cereal guy (Froot Loops or Apple Jacks); Labrie and Mangini do, indeed, eat pancakes and waffles, respectively (but, ironically, Mangini has Canadian bacon on the side, while Labrie prefers "real" bacon).
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I saw DT and FW on the Awake tour in Seattle. Awesome show! :metal
What venue?
And is that the last time FW was relevant? :biggrin: Sorry I just don't get FW at all.
Fates Warning is amazing. Unquestionably in my top five bands all time. Mike Portnoy's comments in the liner notes of the special edition of Awaken the Guardian say a lot.
I saw the DT/FW double bill at the Galaxy Theatre in Santa Ana, CA on 12/8/94 (https://www.mikeportnoy.com/dates/MPTourography/ShowInfo.aspx?showId=260). It was an amazing show by both bands, and I really wish I had also gone the next night (the last night the two bands played together) at the Palace in Hollywood.
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The Kevin Moore theater? :neverusethis:
That is a great venue and where I saw them on the ToT tour. Just curious where they played back in the mid-90s and too lazy to look it up.
I was also at the ToT show at The Moore. That was great when Scott Rockenfield joined MP on drums. We also got ACOS in its entirety that night.. :metal
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One of my first thoughts was "I can't imagine any DT fan NOT liking this". I have almost never heard a band which required less work to get into than Haken.
They lack the rockin'. There's a lot of weird timing and chord changes but a lacking of rockin'. That's why I like Sons Of Apollo more than Haken
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XKPW0XVXe4
o.O
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One of my first thoughts was "I can't imagine any DT fan NOT liking this". I have almost never heard a band which required less work to get into than Haken.
They lack the rockin'. There's a lot of weird timing and chord changes but a lacking of rockin'. That's why I like Sons Of Apollo more than Haken
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XKPW0XVXe4
o.O
Lets see... random, uncatchy dissonnant riff to start it off? Check. Non-groovy drums that just sound like a wash of cymbals? Check. Now, when I say rockin', I mean make you wanna get outta your seat and start groovin ROCKIN'
Anyway it is kinda cool
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To each their own for what they find to be "rockin" and what music we like, but Haken is a fairly similar band to DT so regardless of my liking of them, they'd make a good tour mate that I think would be mutually beneficial (assuming DT were open to dropping the Evening With Format).
Edit to add that also, Haken doing DT (aka MP's TSF) show was one of the most rockin shows I saw this year (concert #34 is next week so there's a lot to judge against) so I definitely think they (themselves) can certainly rock (I also think their music, at times, is rockin)
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(https://i.imgur.com/2AsSGfS.jpg)
Definitely in good company. And the trash talk from SoA is sure to stop now.
InsideOut should do a prog festival. That line-up! :o
Thatd be amazing.
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To each their own for what they find to be "rockin" and what music we like, but Haken is a fairly similar band to DT so regardless of my liking of them, they'd make a good tour mate that I think would be mutually beneficial (assuming DT were open to dropping the Evening With Format).
Edit to add that also, Haken doing DT (aka MP's TSF) show was one of the most rockin shows I saw this year (concert #34 is next week so there's a lot to judge against) so I definitely think they (themselves) can certainly rock (I also think their music, at times, is rockin)
That would be a great show! It might never happen, but a Dream Theater/Nightwish co-headline tour would be the ultimate!! At least for me anyway. DT and SX would be awesome too. :metal
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Well I already saw Iron Maiden and Dream Theater tour together (My two favorite bands) so not sure anything can top that, but I'd take DT and NW although that'll never happen as they are both too big to tour together for most venues and too small to do an arena tour in the US.
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DT and SX would be awesome too. :metal
It didn't exactly suck in 2007 :D
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Well I already saw Iron Maiden and Dream Theater tour together (My two favorite bands) so not sure anything can top that, but I'd take DT and NW although that'll never happen as they are both too big to tour together for most venues and too small to do an arena tour in the US.
I would think DT and NW would be about perfect for 2 - 4000 seat venues throughout the US. Kind of like when DT and Queensryche toured doing a co-headline act.
Could you imagine if both bands did an encore together with James and Floor singing at the same time! Hypothetically speaking of course...
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Would DT and Haken be likely? (Or do they have some kind of childish grudge against Haken for the whole Shattered Fortress thing with MP? )
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Would DT and Haken be likely? (Or do they have some kind of childish grudge against Haken for the whole Shattered Fortress thing with MP? )
??? Why would they have a grudge? I am pretty sure they don't care.
But why do you think DT/Haken is likely? I have not heard any rumblings that would make me think so.
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Is there even any rumblings about them dropping the evening with format?
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Nope. Nothing one way or the other.
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The DT guys are in good terms with the Haken guys. They did a few shows together in 2015 and seemed to have a great time.
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And it's not like label affiliation has in any way been a factor for DT choosing openers before... :P
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Would DT and Haken be likely? (Or do they have some kind of childish grudge against Haken for the whole Shattered Fortress thing with MP? )
??? Why would they have a grudge? I am pretty sure they don't care.
But why do you think DT/Haken is likely? I have not heard any rumblings that would make me think so.
I don't think it's exactly "likely", but it would be awesome nevertheless. Plus, it'd be cool for both bands. Haken have a lot of younger fans, at least here in Germany. I have talked to people at Haken concerts who aren't even that much into prog or so, they have never heard of Gentle Giant or Symphony X or anything.. they just like Haken.
On the other side it would be cool for Haken, I don't think I have to mention why.
But I would be curious what MP would say about that though :D
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And it's not like label affiliation has in any way been a factor for DT choosing openers before... :P
You are correct. But it does make it easier for providing tour support funds to two bands one the same label. It would be kind of cool to get Haken or FW (or both) or another one of IO's bands touring with DT as a support act. We'll see how this goes.
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I, myself, would rather "an evening with" for what it is worth. I don't enjoy any other bands as much. So if I am going to be a concert, I want as much of DT as I can get - not share. :)
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I'm a bit torn as to what I like better. Of course more DT should mean better, but there is a point where it does become a bit tiring. Seems the crowds are usually pretty dead for the first set. So I guess it depends on the opener and if DT would rotate setlists if they played a shorter set. I think I'd rather see a DT/Haken tour with both bands rotating songs and try to catch that a couple times vs. a DT only show with a static but longer setlist.
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And it's not like label affiliation has in any way been a factor for DT choosing openers before... :P
You are correct. But it does make it easier for providing tour support funds to two bands one the same label. It would be kind of cool to get Haken or FW (or both) or another one of IO's bands touring with DT as a support act. We'll see how this goes.
What tour support funds? :P To my knowledge, everything for the tour is handled by DTs "machine", not the label. And the same goes for Haken. Which makes it very hard for a band like Haken to "exist" as touring isn't really cheap.