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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Fritzinger on December 07, 2017, 04:27:51 AM
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There is a new supergroup, consisting of Roine Stolt, Daniel Gildenlöw, Marco Minnemann, Jonas Reingold and Tom Brislin!! I am super hyped for this!
The Sea Within – a new art-rock group formed by Roine Stolt (Transatlantic, The Flower Kings), Daniel Gildenlöw (Pain of Salvation), Jonas Reingold (The Flower Kings, Karmakanic, The Tangent), Tom Brislin Music (Renaissance, Spiraling, Yes Symphonic, Deborah Harry) & Marco Minnemann (The Aristocrats, Steven Wilson, UK, Joe Satriani) – have announced they will release their as-yet-untitled debut album in Spring 2018.
Follow the band online below:
www.facebook.com/theseawithin1
www.twitter.com/theseawithin1
www.instagram.com/theseawithin1
Roine Stolt comments on how the project came together: “I think all it started as a suggestion from the record company - putting together a new band, starting fresh, seeing if collective writing could spawn a unique style. Call it a supergroup if you want - I think we can handle that.”
The members recently entered Livingston Studios in London to begin recording the basic tracks, and found an instant chemistry in the way they worked together. “Going into the studio in London was taking a great risk as we had not been in the same room together beforehand.” Roine continues: “We had just sent demos around and didn’t really know if we could make great music together, but we managed to track almost 2 hours of new music, a mix of collective ideas. We also had a lot of great ‘off-time’, sharing laughs and stories in local pubs – that part is important.”
Currently the members are putting the finishing touches on their debut album, and of the music’s direction Roine says: “There are elements of prog, pop, art-rock and many cinematic elements. I suppose the music comes from within our collective memories of all that we love as far as sounds, visions and poetry. We hope that discovering the music will be a journey for the open-minded fan - something as fresh and uncertain and unfolding as it is for us.”
The Sea Within has also announced their first confirmed live date, taking to the stage at Night of the Prog Festival 2018 at Loreley, Germany on the weekend of 13-15th July 2018 alongside Camel, Big Big Train, Riverside & more. Tickets are available now here: https://www.nightoftheprogfestival.com/en/home-2/
- Facebook page of insideout (https://www.facebook.com/InsideOutMusic/?ref=br_rs)
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Nice! That has major potential to be really good.
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Now THIS is a supergroup I'm really excited about.
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Yasssssss
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I'm very interested to see where this goes.
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I wonder who the "mastermind" will be behind this project. Roine and Daniel were/are both the leader and composer of most of the material of heir respective bands. I think it will be pretty easy to tell since both of them have a very distinctive style.
I personally hope that Roine's jazzy/"flower"y style will fuse with Daniels sinister style. That would be totally awesome. Plus, Daniel is one of the greatest singers the progressive scenes has ever seen. I hope he takes the role as lead singer. Roine and Daniel have worked together in The Flower Kings and Daniel didn't get to sing so much. Instead, the (not bad but) mediocre voices of Roine and Hasse were much more prominent. The most obvious part where you can hear the difference in their abilities to sing is the finale of Devil's Playground in my opinion. Roine sings something, and then Daniel kicks in and makes Roines vocals seem pretty bland.
Also, this band has one hell of a rhythm section! Reingold is a great bass player (Unfold The Future!!!) and, well, I guess Minnemann doesn't need to be talked about.
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Now THIS is a supergroup I'm really excited about.
You know my love for anything Jonas.
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Wait! What? A new supergroup without MP? Is that really possible? LOL
I am super excited to see how this unfold, it has potential to be something really great.
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Marco has just posted this picture. If I didn't know any of those guys I'd say the dude in the middle is the clear leader :D Which is good, I hope Roine does not take over and creates a Flower Kings replacement.
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Now THIS is a supergroup I'm really excited about.
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So exited about this... has huge potential
Daniel will be the main vocalist Jonas said in FB messenger.
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Jonas Reingold wrote one of my favorite songs of 2016, Karmakanics Dot, God the Universe and everything else noone cares about.
Daniel and Roine are quite good composers too.... 😉
With those three beeing swedes (although Jonas is now living abroad) I hope they do play live in Sweden next year.
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very much interested in this! Nice surprise :-)
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Excited about it too. I hope the other band members get paid. ;D
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Excited about it too. I hope the other band members get paid. ;D
I think the other band members go into this knowing what they do as opposed to the one you are referring to.... ::)
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Excited about it too. I hope the other band members get paid. ;D
I think the other band members go into this knowing what they do as opposed to the one you are referring to.... ::)
what did i miss??
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Excited about it too. I hope the other band members get paid. ;D
I think the other band members go into this knowing what they do as opposed to the one you are referring to.... ::)
what did i miss??
Nothing that is your or my buisness.... a former member complaing after no longer being a part of PoS
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Ah, are we talking about Ragnar? I never understood what really went down there...
Anyway, I'll definitely check them out at the Loreley at Night Of The Prog!! I am way more certain that this will be good than I was about a certain other supergroup.
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Ah, are we talking about Ragnar? I never understood what really went down there...
No one does except the ones involved and I don't see how it is anyone elses buisness
For anyone who thinks Ragnar should have had truckloads of gold (and anyone else as well) I highly recommend the two seasons of "I Set Myself on Fire" on:
https://mapenzifilm.se
If after seeing this, you still think PoS is a money machine you need to get yourself checked....
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This looks very interesting indeed.
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Looking forward to this!
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Ah, are we talking about Ragnar? I never understood what really went down there...
Anyway, I'll definitely check them out at the Loreley at Night Of The Prog!! I am way more certain that this will be good than I was about a certain other supergroup.
I'm really looking at a reasonable way to plan two nights of that at the end of our UK vacation in 2018, mainly for this, Riverside, and Big Big Train, but it seems so damn expensive to get to and stay. German airports nearby don't fly to the US as cheaply as other places around, I'll probably have to stay well away from the festival and can't really grasp how I get there and back every day as it's somewhat remote. Any suggestions?
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Tour please.
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Glad to see Tom Brislin in the line-up, he was awesome with Yes-symphonic!
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Ah, are we talking about Ragnar? I never understood what really went down there...
Anyway, I'll definitely check them out at the Loreley at Night Of The Prog!! I am way more certain that this will be good than I was about a certain other supergroup.
I'm really looking at a reasonable way to plan two nights of that at the end of our UK vacation in 2018, mainly for this, Riverside, and Big Big Train, but it seems so damn expensive to get to and stay. German airports nearby don't fly to the US as cheaply as other places around, I'll probably have to stay well away from the festival and can't really grasp how I get there and back every day as it's somewhat remote. Any suggestions?
You can always camp on the NotP festival, so you can save some money on a hotel. Don't know how to solve that flight problem though...
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The lineup excites me. The "art rock" description does not.
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The lineup excites me. The "art rock" description does not.
I'm torn on that description to be honest. It can mean they put specific emphasis on artistic expression (vs for example technical prowess) which is perfectly fine, but it could also mean self-indulgent experimental crap. I'm particularly concerned with Gildenlöw in that regard, he's a bit ... self-centric. He wouldn't hesitate going Yoko Ono.
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Looking forward to hearing something by this band. As Rumby points out, it could be great, or could be a big jerk off.
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The lineup excites me. The "art rock" description does not.
I'm torn on that description to be honest. It can mean they put specific emphasis on artistic expression (vs for example technical prowess) which is perfectly fine, but it could also mean self-indulgent experimental crap. I'm particularly concerned with Gildenlöw in that regard, he's a bit ... self-centric. He wouldn't hesitate going Yoko Ono.
Yeah, I mean, I assumed that they were more or less referring to "art rock" as a subgenre, rather than a very loose description of "putting specific emphasis on artistic expression," as you put it. And, yeah, Gildenlöw's eccentricities (and Stolt's as well, for that matter) make me a bit nervous. I'm not writing it off. But my enthusiasm for the lineup is much more tempered than it might otherwise be. I am officially in "wait and see" mode. I hope it's good. But I won't be surprised if it is something I don't connect with. Part of me wishes that if Gildenlöw and Stolt have some free time, that they would do another Transatlantic album. But then again, while I loved the first three, the last one didn't do too much for me.
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Agreed 100% on all you said, including Transatlantic.
Just in general, I have to say, whenever it's just a different rotational lineup of usual suspects (MP, Stolt, Morse etc etc), I just end up in "I'll listen, but expectations aren't high" mode. At some point the reality is, most musicians end up repeating themselves one way or the other, and just shuffling the order around isn't going to change that.
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Agreed 100% on all you said, including Transatlantic.
Just in general, I have to say, whenever it's just a different rotational lineup of usual suspects (MP, Stolt, Morse etc etc), I just end up in "I'll listen, but expectations aren't high" mode. At some point the reality is, most musicians end up repeating themselves one way or the other, and just shuffling the order around isn't going to change that.
You're forgetting Daniel here, he has never really repeated himself.
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Something awesome just clicked with me here. The Tom Brislin who's joining The Sea Within is the same Tom Brislin who guested on a podcast I regularly listen to back in April, and they introduced me to Jason Falkner's Afraid Himself to Be, and made me fall in love with the song instantly. It was just one of those moments that got me quite excited.
Here's their cover of Afraid Himself to Be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpWAt0ZYuIw), and they also covered Yes' South Side of the Sky (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-g0Ivb-ddM).
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Something awesome just clicked with me here. The Tom Brislin who's joining The Sea Within is the same Tom Brislin who guested on a podcast I regularly listen to back in April, and they introduced me to Jason Falkner's Afraid Himself to Be, and made me fall in love with the song instantly. It was just one of those moments that got me quite excited.
Here's their cover of Afraid Himself to Be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpWAt0ZYuIw), and they also covered Yes' South Side of the Sky (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-g0Ivb-ddM).
thanks for mentioning this as I would like to check this out; and I am a very big fan of Jellyfish and of course Jason Falkner was a member on their 1st album, and much of his solo work.
Also I recently checked out Tom Brislin's solo debut album from 2012 "Hurry Up and Smell the Roses" ( https://tombrislin.bandcamp.com/album/hurry-up-and-smell-the-roses) and it's really quite good. Sort of piano driven singer/songwriter. But he actually has quite a good voice and the songwriting is really impressive.
I know he had a band before joining Yes and Renaissance, Spiraling, which I'd be curious to check out again.
But I hope he brings some songwriting to this project, because that solo record really shows his talents.
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thanks for mentioning this as I would like to check this out; and I am a very big fan of Jellyfish fan and of course Jason Falkner was a member on their 1st album, and much of his solo work.
I love Jellyfish! Another band this particular podcast introduced me to. Shame they only ever made two albums.
Indeed... they were awesome. So glad I had the opportunity to see them live when I was in London in the summer of 1991.
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"The Kings of Art-Rock." :hat
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The band has been posting mysterious stuff on Facebook, I'm guessing an announcement should come soon!
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I'm really looking at a reasonable way to plan two nights of that at the end of our UK vacation in 2018, mainly for this, Riverside, and Big Big Train, but it seems so damn expensive to get to and stay. German airports nearby don't fly to the US as cheaply as other places around, I'll probably have to stay well away from the festival and can't really grasp how I get there and back every day as it's somewhat remote. Any suggestions?
It's a couple of hours' drive from big airports at Frankfurt, Cologne, Dusseldorf... just rent a car.
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Actually I will drive right past Frankfurt, which is the airport most flights go to in Germany (I think). I will go with two of my buddies so if we pack right, I will have one spare seat. I you want, you can join!
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I'm really looking at a reasonable way to plan two nights of that at the end of our UK vacation in 2018, mainly for this, Riverside, and Big Big Train, but it seems so damn expensive to get to and stay. German airports nearby don't fly to the US as cheaply as other places around, I'll probably have to stay well away from the festival and can't really grasp how I get there and back every day as it's somewhat remote. Any suggestions?
It's a couple of hours' drive from big airports at Frankfurt, Cologne, Dusseldorf... just rent a car.
Actually I will drive right past Frankfurt, which is the airport most flights go to in Germany (I think). I will go with two of my buddies so if we pack right, I will have one spare seat. I you want, you can join!
Thank you very much for the advice and the offer. I actually squared myself away two weeks ago. I'll be renting a car and staying in a BnB a little south of the venue. Was able to do this more cheaply than even the hotel and shuttle package the festival is offering, and won't have to worry about a long ride every morning and evening.
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So excited to hear some music from this. Who knows what it'll sound like. I expect harmonies.
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Why haven't I heard of this before? This could be really interesting. :metal
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Roine posted on Facebook over the weekend that the album should be released in June with live shows starting in July.
-Marc.
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Roine posted on Facebook over the weekend that the album should be released in June with live shows starting in July.
-Marc.
US Tour please.....
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Any clips? Teasers?
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Roine posted on Facebook over the weekend that the album should be released in June with live shows starting in July.
-Marc.
US Tour please.....
Spoiler alert, the tour will be in Europe, with perhaps 1 US festival date.
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Roine posted on Facebook over the weekend that the album should be released in June with live shows starting in July.
-Marc.
US Tour please.....
Spoiler alert, the tour will be in Europe, with perhaps 1 US festival date.
In October or on a boat?
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Roine posted on Facebook over the weekend that the album should be released in June with live shows starting in July.
-Marc.
US Tour please.....
Spoiler alert, the tour will be in Europe, with perhaps 1 US festival date.
Seems this will be a one day tour... only stop Night of the Prog
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The band posted a while ago that they would post an update "next week"... That "next week" was last week :'(
I am so hyped for this band I can't even
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I'm certainly interested in them, but let's save hype for when we've actually heard something from them.
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Same here. I'll be excited once I hear the music and hear something to get something to excited about.
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I hope it's good and not too heavy, but also really well produced.
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i know Reingold has great production with Karmakanic, and Stolt, well, we know what he's capable of so...
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Road Salts and In The Passing Light by PoS also sounded very good and Minnemann always has a great drum sound (and he produces solo albums en mass) so I don't think we have to worry about that.
I actually hope that it will be a little heavy, having Daniel involved. But I don't think Roine will do so heavy stuff.
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Road Salts and In The Passing Light by PoS also sounded very good and Minnemann always has a great drum sound (and he produces solo albums en mass) so I don't think we have to worry about that.
I actually hope that it will be a little heavy, having Daniel involved. But I don't think Roine will do so heavy stuff.
Road Salts do not sound very good at all. ITPLOD sounds okay. Better, but not great.
Even though PoS is my favorite band, their production (in genera) leaves a lot to be desired. TPE is my favorite album and I'd love a great remix like we got with Remedy Lane.
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I agree on The Perfect Element. Especially the drums need a remix. You can't even hear a snare when distorted guitars are being played.
But I love the sound of Road Salt I&II!! Very dry, rough and not mixed so loud.
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I never had a problem with TPE, sounds fine to me.
The Road Salts sound like they should, imo.
I really like the drum sound on Passing Light Of Day but sometimes it gets muddy when the band is playing in full force.
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coming monday there will be an announcement :)
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Front cover is ugly as fuck. But it will be a double album. :tup
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I hope that Daniel will be on board for the Night Of The Prog.
I am very hyped for this. Second disc has 4 songs, maybe there will be some awesome long tracks. Guest appearances sound great as well. Jon Anderson is one of my fav singers of all time. And of course Jordan :eek
Album artwork is cool for me, typical Flower Kings retro-prog cover ;) A little Hugh Syme like. I wonder who did it.
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Here's the Facebook announcement by Inside Out:
The Sea Within – the new art-rock collective comprising of Roine Stolt (Transatlantic, The Flower Kings), Daniel Gildenlöw (Pain of Salvation), Jonas Reingold (Steve Hackett, The Flower Kings, Karmakanic, The Tangent), Tom Brislin Music (Yes Symphonic, Renaissance, Spiraling, Deborah Harry) & Marco Minnemann (The Aristocrats, Steven Wilson, UK, Joe Satriani) – have announced that their debut self-titled album will be released 22nd June 2018.
Let's get one thing straight from the start. The Sea Within is more of an amalgamation of some serious talents, than a regular “supergroup”. These musicians have come together to create a unique album. Guitarist/vocalist Roine Stolt, bassist Jonas Reingold, keyboard player/vocalist Tom Brislin, drummer/vocalist Marco Minnemann and vocalist/guitarist Daniel Gildenlöw have a vast reservoir of experience. Look at the portmanteau of artists with who they've worked: The Flower Kings, Transatlantic, Jon Anderson, Steven Wilson,The Aristocrats, Joe Satriani, Yes, Steve Hackett, Renaissance, Pain Of Salvation, Deborah Harry, Meatloaf, Karmakanic … that of itself tells you this is something very special. ��
“I suppose it all began to take shape in the autumn of 2016,” explains Stolt. “I had a chat with Thomas Waber, the boss at InsideOut Music, about the idea of putting together a new band. I wanted to move in a fresh direction with new collaborations. So Thomas gave me the ‘go ahead’ to seek musicians for a new project.”�First on-board was The Flower Kings bass player Jonas Reingold.- “He is a long time bandmate and friend and we were also very keen to get keyboardist Tom (Brislin) involved - after seeing his synth pyrotechnics with legends Yes ‘Symphonic’ and with Camel. Then we have been a fans of ‘Aristocrats’ drummer Marco for a long time; I first heard of him 15 years ago and he is a brilliant drummer, unique energy. Then when we discussed ideas for singers, Daniel's name came up, he has such a great range and dynamic voice and we've worked together on and off over the years.” Also added later to the bands line-up for live shows was vocalist & guitarist Casey McPherson of ‘Flying Colors’ & ‘Alpha Rev’, who also sings a couple of songs on the album. ��
The entire recording situation took about six months, and the band also have some very special guests featured on the album.�“We have got Jordan Rudess from Dream Theater playing piano on one song. The legendary Jon Anderson sings on another track, while 'wind ace' Rob Townsend, who plays saxophone and flute with Steve Hackett, is also on the record. Each of them brings a different flavour to the music.” �
The Sea Within as a music collective have plans to perform live, and will make their stage debut at 'Night Of The Prog' in Loreley, Germany which happens from July 13-15 and will bring special guests for that evening. �“As far as I am concerned, we will try do as much touring as possible. We have a great band, great label and our agent Rob Palmen on-board. We have great artwork by Marcela Bolivar, all looks bright. However Daniel will not be able to join us for touring now, as he has commitments with main band Pain Of Salvation. With Casey taking the vocal spot, now with us live, we can go out on the road and play this album and beyond and grow as a band. We have so much to offer musically, on record and on stage and I am sure we will develop a lot over the next few years. But 'The Sea Within' album is a great start. I am excited for everyone to hear what we have done and am now thrilled to start working on the songs for the live show.”
The album will be available as a special edition 2CD digipak, gatefold 2LP vinyl + 2CD & as digital download. You can find the full track listing below:
Disc 1:
1. Ashes of Dawn
2. They Know My Name
3. The Void
4. An Eye for an Eye for an Eye
5. Goodbye
6. Sea Without
7. Broken Cord
8. The Hiding of the Truth
Disc 2:
1. The Roaring Silence
2. Where Are You Going?
3. Time
4. Denise
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https://www.facebook.com/InsideOutMusic/posts/10156353862555439
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I am so freaking excited for this. And doubly excited I get to see the live debut.
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Sadly no Daniel for touring. But they did get Casey McPherson so that's interesting.interesting
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I am so freaking excited for this. And doubly excited I get to see the live debut.
So you are coming to NotP? Cool - hope we can meet at some point! :hat
I'm kinda disappointed that Daniel won't be there. His energy on stage will be missed.
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I am so freaking excited for this. And doubly excited I get to see the live debut.
So you are coming to NotP? Cool - hope we can meet at some point! :hat
Indeed, only coming for the first two days, but I will be there, and we shall certainly meet up!
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Cool.
Any news on when the first single or anything will be here?
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Artwork (ew) and writeup makes it seem like another Stolte project to me. Kind of a shame cause I really wanna see Daniel get more involved with anything that isnt PoS. Cool that it's coming so soon though.
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What's with the hate on the artwork? I think it's great?
Artwork (ew) and writeup makes it seem like another Stolte project to me. Kind of a shame cause I really wanna see Daniel get more involved with anything that isnt PoS. Cool that it's coming so soon though.
Where the hell you've been? Miss you!
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I love the artwork. Its neat.
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I dig the artwork as well. Really looking forward to hearing these tunes!
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There's no indication that it's a single album plus bonus disc like Spock's Beard's new one, so this may well be a fully-fledged double album. Would be cool to get some new extended compositions from one of the masters of that particular form.
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I like Casey way more than Gildenlow as a singer, but that seems awfully bizarre to tour on your first album without your singer. What is the point?
That said, still looking forward to the record.
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I didn’t care too much for this project when it was first announced, but now I’m curious about it. Hope they release a song soon so we can have an idea of how it sounds like. The lineup is pretty good, so it’ll be a solid album at least.
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Well, they have not announced any touring dates, except for the one gig at the Loreley. Maybe the no-Daniel thing does not apply for the Loreley.
22. of June is the release date. Man, this is still a long time :D Although I never listen to previously released singles, I hope they release something soon, because I want to know what you guys think :D
I also think the artwork is pretty kewl. Will be getting this on vinyl 100%.
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:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: at the utterly ridiculous statement on their homepage:
Let’s get one thing straight from the start. The Sea Within is more of an amalgamation of some serious talents, than a regular “supergroup”.
Bands seriously need to stop with these sorts of stupid and shallow marketing quips. What are they trying to achieve? And who actually gets hooked in by statements like this? Is anyone genuinely like "Oh I'd much rather listen to an amalgamation of serious talents than a supergroup!"
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Sadly no Daniel for touring. But they did get Casey McPherson so that's interesting.interesting
Ughhh! Casey is the only reason I can't stand listening to Flying Colors.
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:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: at the utterly ridiculous statement on their homepage:
Let’s get one thing straight from the start. The Sea Within is more of an amalgamation of some serious talents, than a regular “supergroup”.
Bands seriously need to stop with these sorts of stupid and shallow marketing quips. What are they trying to achieve? And who actually gets hooked in by statements like this? Is anyone genuinely like "Oh I'd much rather listen to an amalgamation of serious talents than a supergroup!"
They are saying it's about the music and not them.
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:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: at the utterly ridiculous statement on their homepage:
Let’s get one thing straight from the start. The Sea Within is more of an amalgamation of some serious talents, than a regular “supergroup”.
Bands seriously need to stop with these sorts of stupid and shallow marketing quips. What are they trying to achieve? And who actually gets hooked in by statements like this? Is anyone genuinely like "Oh I'd much rather listen to an amalgamation of serious talents than a supergroup!"
They are saying it's about the music and not them.
This is exactly what they mean. Surprised people didn't take it as such.
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Isn't it always about the music? I mean they are all musicians, are they not? :angel: ;)
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Isn't it always about the music? I mean they are all musicians, are they not? :angel: ;)
:lol
True but you know us fans........
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Isn't it always about the music? I mean they are all musicians, are they not? :angel: ;)
No it's not.
"WE are the new kings of Prog Metal. WE all have sick chops, but we still have balls and a rockers"
*goes into the studio and takes a whole week to write a full album*
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Isn't it always about the music? I mean they are all musicians, are they not? :angel: ;)
No it's not.
"WE are the new kings of Prog Metal. WE all have sick chops, but we still have balls and a rockers"
*goes into the studio and takes a whole week to write a full album*
Well, they're not being that blunt about it but if you read the first paragraph it's actually quite pretentious.
These musicians have come together to create a unique album
Then, it goes to list all of the things these guys have been involved in, only to end with:
that of itself tells you this is something very special
So again, not as blunt as calling themselves the new kings of something, but still very much saying "look at how great we are".
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Well, if you just finished an album of course you are excited about it, and SOMEHOW the album has to be promoted. It has to be mentioned where these dudes played, that's just called marketing. It shows that this band could be interesting for fans of X, Y, Z.
Also it would sound pretty dull if they just wrote: They put together a pretty solid album.
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"We made an album. It's a solid 5/10. Might be worth streaming on youtube a couple times."
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I'm not saying these guys shouldn't promote themselves, I was just pointing out that every band does one way or the other. People complain about how Mike does it because it's blunt (I honestly don't like the approach either) but these guys are doing something similar but fancier and more pretentious. Instead of supergroup they call it "amalgamation of some serious talent". Instead of "We got sick chops" they do reference to what they've done before and say "that of itself tells you this is something very special".
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At least they talk like normal grown men, not like 15 year old teenagers who confuse being cool with behaving arrogant.
Anyway, I don't see anything arrogant in this press release. Also, I don't really think it was even written by them.
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Looks like BurningShed has their pre-orders up early, for the vinyl and CD, and of course, they also have the track lengths...
https://burningshed.com/the-sea-within_the-sea-within_double-vinyl
LP
A (total - 23:05)
1 Ashes of Dawn 6:00
2 They Know my Name 5:10
3 The Void 4:55
4 An Eye For An Eye For an Eye 7:00
B (total - 19:50)
1 Goodbye 5:30
2 Broken Cord 14:20
C (total - 15:57)
1 Sea Without 2:27
3 The Hiding of Truth 5:30
2 The Roaring Silence 8:00
D (total - 18:12)
1 Where are you Going? 5:50
2 Time 7:12
3 Denise 5:10
CD 1 (total - 50:52)
1. Ashes of Dawn
2. They Know my Name
3. The Void
4. An Eye For An Eye For an Eye
5. Goodbye
6. Sea Without
7. Broken Cord
8. The Hiding of Truth
CD 2 - Bonus Material (total - 26:12)
1. The Roaring Silence
2. Where are you Going?
3. Time
4. Denise
Looks like the final four tracks are being treated as included "bonus material", similar to Spock's Beard's Noise Floor. And in actuality, despite being on two CDs, all the music could fit onto one disc, so that cements the idea that those last four tracks are just session extras and most likely are not meant to be a part of the album proper. Perhaps there's an overarching theme in those 8 songs that ties them together?
Either way, a total of 77:04 of music from these guys isn't too bad, even after six months of working together. I hope they used that time wisely and refined their pieces to perfection!
-Marc.
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Looks good to me!
I don't see the issue with the "amalgamation of some serious talents" line. Considering how much the term "supergroup" is overused these days, finding a more clever way to describe a handful of musicians coming together to make new music can't be a bad thing.
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There's no indication that it's a single album plus bonus disc like Spock's Beard's new one, so this may well be a fully-fledged double album. Would be cool to get some new extended compositions from one of the masters of that particular form.
Well, I guess my post above answers your question. The longest track, "Broken Cord" is just 14:20 long, and taking into account the four "bonus" songs, the average track length is about 6-7 minutes. I think we'll get some pretty tight songwriting with great chops throughout, knowing what guys like Marco and Jonas are capable of in terms of the rhythm department.
-Marc.
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You know you're a prog fan when you utter (type) the words, "The longest song is only 14:20 long..." :lol :lol
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You know you're a prog fan when you utter (type) the words, "The longest song is only 14:20 long..." :lol :lol
I was trying not to sound TOO much like that, but I guess it can't be helped. :rollin
Given the pedigree of the band members, it wasn't wrong of me to hope for at LEAST one side-length epic. Maybe Roine is saving those compositions for the next Anderson/Stolt album?
I noticed earlier, after posting the track list, that the running order is different between the CDs and Vinyl, with "Sea Without" and "Broken Cord" having swapped places, mostly due to the length of the vinyl sides. I wonder how that'll affect the listening experience, especially if the album has a narrative that ties the 8 songs together.
-Marc.
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Looks good to me!
I don't see the issue with the "amalgamation of some serious talents" line. Considering how much the term "supergroup" is overused these days, finding a more clever way to describe a handful of musicians coming together to make new music can't be a bad thing.
Iagree with this. "Supergroup" is used now for any band that has more than two members that played in anything that has more than two albums out. You even see "supergroup" for bands that have the third touring guitarist for the non-Phil Black LA Guns and shit like that. Please.
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It's still a supergroup, whatever other fancy words you/they try and use to describe themselves.
And I take issue with this whole idea of "bonus material". It seems to me like there is no "standard version" being released, without the 2nd disc. So we all get the bonus tracks anyway. So why not just say they're part of the album? Also, both discs combined length would easily fit onto a single CD, at c. 77 minutes. It's a silly marketing gimmick and it needs to stop.
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It's still a supergroup, whatever other fancy words you/they try and use to describe themselves.
And I take issue with this whole idea of "bonus material". It seems to me like there is no "standard version" being released, without the 2nd disc. So we all get the bonus tracks anyway. So why not just say they're part of the album? Also, both discs combined length would easily fit onto a single CD, at c. 77 minutes. It's a silly marketing gimmick and it needs to stop.
Perhaps they are "bonus" in that they don't fit with the rest of the album? Porcupine Tree had the same deal with The Incident, and Neal Morse had extra tracks on Testimony 2 that weren't a part of the main album's story (though in his case, they couldn't physically fit on the first disc anyway). Seems like Spock's Beard's upcoming album is also another case of "Bonus Tracks" on the regular edition of the album.
I think it's just a way for bands to put out more of their music rather than relegate these tracks to obscure B-Side status and never get released, or release them on some small-produced Fan Club disc, or worse, put them on compilations no one wants to buy for one or two "new" tracks.
-Marc.
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could be the bonus tracks are the ones with guestmusicians?
-"We have got Jordan Rudess from Dream Theater playing piano on one song. The legendary Jon Anderson sings on another track, while ‘wind ace’ Rob Townsend, who plays saxophone and flute with Steve Hackett, is also on the record. Each of them brings a different flavour to the music.”-
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It's still a supergroup, whatever other fancy words you/they try and use to describe themselves.
And I take issue with this whole idea of "bonus material". It seems to me like there is no "standard version" being released, without the 2nd disc. So we all get the bonus tracks anyway. So why not just say they're part of the album? Also, both discs combined length would easily fit onto a single CD, at c. 77 minutes. It's a silly marketing gimmick and it needs to stop.
Because, to some artists, crafting a cohesive album with a nice flow still matters, rather just recording everything and throwing it on to a CD in any order with no regard as to if everything fits, just because they can.
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It's still a supergroup, whatever other fancy words you/they try and use to describe themselves.
Probably, but only in the small prog-niche. Ask the people on the street and 99% won't have heard of any of them.
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It's still a supergroup, whatever other fancy words you/they try and use to describe themselves.
And I take issue with this whole idea of "bonus material". It seems to me like there is no "standard version" being released, without the 2nd disc. So we all get the bonus tracks anyway. So why not just say they're part of the album? Also, both discs combined length would easily fit onto a single CD, at c. 77 minutes. It's a silly marketing gimmick and it needs to stop.
Because, to some artists, crafting a cohesive album with a nice flow still matters, rather just recording everything and throwing it on to a CD in any order with no regard as to if everything fits, just because they can.
I agree with this. If it destroys the "flow" of the album (even though it's not a concept album!), I think this is okay.
What I didn't understand is why Metallica released Hardwired on two discs. Those two would have fitted on one disc and nothing of the "flow" or anything would have changed. There exists a bonus disc of this album that is longer than the two regular album CDs combined.
In the end it doesn't matter to me, because I don't listen to CDs :)
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It's still a supergroup, whatever other fancy words you/they try and use to describe themselves.
Probably, but only in the small prog-niche. Ask the people on the street and 99% won't have heard of any of them.
Word. As good as this is, it's certainly not the Traveling Wilburys.
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It's still a supergroup, whatever other fancy words you/they try and use to describe themselves.
Probably, but only in the small prog-niche. Ask the people on the street and 99% won't have heard of any of them.
Word. As good as this is, it's certainly not the Traveling Wilburys.
Or Sons of Apollo...right?
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The first 30 seconds teaser:
https://theseawithin.lnk.to/TheSeaWithin
It does sound more modern than transatlantic or flower kings, cool!
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I liked it!
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Interesting. I'm not familiar with most of those musicians except Gildenlow's Pain of Salvation & Stolt's work in Transatlantic. I've listened to a few Aristocrats songs but I don't remember what they sound like. Can't say I'm very excited about this but I'll definitely listen to a full song whenever they release one.
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What does it sound like? Is it heavy? Who sings? How do the drums sound?
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it sounds potentially heavier than I would think when I think of "Art Rock."
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That's the problem with genre labels. They bring preconceptions. But they need to promote the album. So they have to try and describe the indescribable.
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It's not indescribable. That's just silly.
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In Sweden prog rock has some weird connotations, hence the use of Art-Rock instead. In the end it's all just music for us to enjoy (or not)
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In Sweden prog rock has some weird connotations
Like what? :o
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I miss the time when albums didn't have all this marketing, promoting and brouhaha, descriptions, conceptions, teasers, studio videos and updates, making offs and masturbation. Mostly people didn't even know a new album was coming until it suddenly was released. The artists also weren't so fussy about details. Music was more free, more spontaneous, I feel. Now people have to create this aura, this identity, this expectation, in order to promote an album. "Oh, we are the so and so, and this is the kind of music we play, we are special".
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In Sweden prog rock has some weird connotations
Like what? :o
It's not that prog has a different meaning it's just that there is a typically swedish genre called progg. A genre of politically protest songs. Working class against the capitalism....
Has absoluteley nothing to do with prog.
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I miss the time when albums didn't have all this marketing, promoting and brouhaha, descriptions, conceptions, teasers, studio videos and updates, making offs and masturbation. Mostly people didn't even know a new album was coming until it suddenly was released. The artists also weren't so fussy about details. Music was more free, more spontaneous, I feel. Now people have to create this aura, this identity, this expectation, in order to promote an album. "Oh, we are the so and so, and this is the kind of music we play, we are special".
it's way less now than it used to be in the 70s and the 80s. when record companies ruled marketing was a necessity.
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That was not how I was hoping this would sound.
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In Sweden prog rock has some weird connotations
Like what? :o
It's not that prog has a different meaning it's just that there is a typically swedish genre called progg. A genre of politically protest songs. Working class against the capitalism....
Has absoluteley nothing to do with prog.
yeah that was it. I read in an interview somewhere that that was a reason to just call it Art Rock, as it still made sense with the genre of music they're making
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In Sweden prog rock has some weird connotations
Like what? :o
It's not that prog has a different meaning it's just that there is a typically swedish genre called progg. A genre of politically protest songs. Working class against the capitalism....
Has absoluteley nothing to do with prog.
yeah that was it. I read in an interview somewhere that that was a reason to just call it Art Rock, as it still made sense with the genre of music they're making
Was no expecting this, but it definitely makes sense. Art rock isn't the term I would choose to describe this, but I guess it works.
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Not really feeling it based on the sample. I'd like to hear a full song, though.
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Finally got around to listening to the sample. Gotta say, I'm kind of happy with it. It's heavier than I expected, but I like that. Roine's got output for his more flowery and atmospheric stuff (with Jon Anderson), so hearing him do something heavier (and with those great vocals by Daniel) is a treat. I wish there was more of Jonas and Marco to hear in that clip near the end, but it was a good teaser for now.
Only 2 or so months out from the release date, so I can wait a bit longer. I'm trying not to hype this album up TOO much for myself, and I may try to avoid further samples/teasers, just so I can go in with a blank slate and keep the album fresh.
-Marc.
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I miss the time when albums didn't have all this marketing, promoting and brouhaha, descriptions, conceptions, teasers, studio videos and updates, making offs and masturbation. Mostly people didn't even know a new album was coming until it suddenly was released. The artists also weren't so fussy about details. Music was more free, more spontaneous, I feel. Now people have to create this aura, this identity, this expectation, in order to promote an album. "Oh, we are the so and so, and this is the kind of music we play, we are special".
it's way less now than it used to be in the 70s and the 80s. when record companies ruled marketing was a necessity.
Yeah, but I think Chuck Steak is on to something. I used to read the Best Buy flyer to see what was being released that week! But it's more than just "marketing"; you're right there was a ton of marketing (remember "album flats"? And radio releases?) but today it's more structured. Everything is a sub-genre. "Hey this is the viking prog black metal release of the year!" It's like a couple years ago when Marillion had to label everything as a cross between "Massive Attack, Radiohead, and whatever the fuck". Not at all coincidentally, that's when I stopped buying. Just plug in and play, man. If your drummer is jazz and your bass player is blues, and your guitar player is heavy riff-based rock and your singer is a closet Beatles fan, guess what? You get Black fucking Sabbath. You never heard Geezer Butler calling Tull pussies for having floots, did you? No, in fact, Iommi went and joined them!
Got off on a little rant there, sorry!
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It's not indescribable. That's just silly.
Music is nigh-on impossible to adequately describe in mere words, despite the vast number of attempts to do so. We all try to describe music, but none of us get anywhere near the mark. We have to invent all these labels for it and compartmentalize everything, which subsequently bring their own preconceptions into the mind, positive or negative. And we all have our own unique perception of music, which complicates matters further. So none of us are right and none of us are wrong. Just listen.
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Hogwash. I actually laugh at labels. I certainly can describe what I hear. I need no labels. Good music is good music. Can I describe what I hear? Damn straight I can.
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That teaser is not what I was expecting at all and that makes me a lot more interested in this project.
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I miss the time when albums didn't have all this marketing, promoting and brouhaha, descriptions, conceptions, teasers, studio videos and updates, making offs and masturbation. Mostly people didn't even know a new album was coming until it suddenly was released. The artists also weren't so fussy about details. Music was more free, more spontaneous, I feel. Now people have to create this aura, this identity, this expectation, in order to promote an album. "Oh, we are the so and so, and this is the kind of music we play, we are special".
it's way less now than it used to be in the 70s and the 80s. when record companies ruled marketing was a necessity.
Yeah, but I think Chuck Steak is on to something. I used to read the Best Buy flyer to see what was being released that week! But it's more than just "marketing"; you're right there was a ton of marketing (remember "album flats"? And radio releases?) but today it's more structured. Everything is a sub-genre. "Hey this is the viking prog black metal release of the year!" It's like a couple years ago when Marillion had to label everything as a cross between "Massive Attack, Radiohead, and whatever the fuck". Not at all coincidentally, that's when I stopped buying. Just plug in and play, man. If your drummer is jazz and your bass player is blues, and your guitar player is heavy riff-based rock and your singer is a closet Beatles fan, guess what? You get Black fucking Sabbath. You never heard Geezer Butler calling Tull pussies for having floots, did you? No, in fact, Iommi went and joined them!
Got off on a little rant there, sorry!
But why would any of that bother you? If, like me, you're not interested in really specific sub-genres and classifications, just ignore them.
The reason they exist is ultimately because there is just SO MUCH MUSIC being released now that classification would be impossible without them. Those of us who aren't interested in classification can easily continue to ignore them.
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It bothers me because it affects the artists; Mike is so proud of being in "87 bands" and I get it, he's a machine, but I think when he goes in to his "prog project" or his "metal project" or his "whatever the f--- project", it becomes too rote. Just play, man. The beauty of the best of Dream Theater is that there were no labels. You basically had Alex Lifeson playing over Steve Harris and Keith Moon, with Mark Kelly on keyboards and Steve Perry on vocals. Then they wanted to be "more metal" and they all sort of homogenized things; growl vocals, LaBrie roughed his vocals up, they got rid of the Floyd like keys and went more "chop oriented", Petrucci lost that sort of trebly sound and started to sound like any of a 1000 metal guitarists... I know I'm grossly simplifying, but still.
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It bothers me because it affects the artists; Mike is so proud of being in "87 bands" and I get it, he's a machine, but I think when he goes in to his "prog project" or his "metal project" or his "whatever the f--- project", it becomes too rote. Just play, man. The beauty of the best of Dream Theater is that there were no labels. You basically had Alex Lifeson playing over Steve Harris and Keith Moon, with Mark Kelly on keyboards and Steve Perry on vocals. Then they wanted to be "more metal" and they all sort of homogenized things; growl vocals, LaBrie roughed his vocals up, they got rid of the Floyd like keys and went more "chop oriented", Petrucci lost that sort of trebly sound and started to sound like any of a 1000 metal guitarists... I know I'm grossly simplifying, but still.
Agree with this, though I have no idea who Mark Kelly is.
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Keyboard player for Marillion. Way more of a "Kevin Moore/Rick Wright" player than a Keith Emerson/Rick Wakeman player.
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Who's Marillion?
;D
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https://www.facebook.com/InsideOutMusic/videos/10156410356105439/
The band has released a studio episode! What do you guys think (I don’t want to watch it with sound)?
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I got the chance to listen to the album (promo version thanks to Inside Out French promoter) and if you are a fan of Transatlantic, The Beatles and Yes, you will be pleased. If you do remember well, the first reveal song is the hardest. The rest is mainly prog rock. Nothing to do with Pain of Salvation. So nothing revolutionary here but those who were a bit fed up by Neal Morse's influence on Transatlantic should like the album.
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Ok, I couldn't resist this time.
I think it sounds awesome! Daniel's vocals make it sound a little like PoS, but of course there's no metal here (at least in the trailer).
Pre-ordered.
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Ohhh.. now I'm excited!
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... if you are a fan of Transatlantic, The Beatles and Yes, you will be pleased ...
While this doesn't sound that bad, I was hoping for a little bit more innovation, modern influences, something different. Well, it could still be good, but my excitement isn't as big as it used to be.
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It'd be awesome if these guys headlined ProgPower.
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Bleh it sounds so Flower Kings
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Just preordered from Reingold Records...
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Bleh it sounds so Flower Kings
Where do you hear Flower Kings influences??
I mean, there's certainly some minor Stolt vibe, but the Gildenlöw vibe is just as present, and I don't just mean the vocals.
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Hey, I'm going to interview Roine Stolt next week and just got The Sea Within's first album! Does anyone have a question for him?
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Not sure if this has been answered anywhere, but this is just he first thing that comes to my mind:
They said that Daniel won't join the first tour, but will he also not be at the Loreley's Night Of The Prog?
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Hey, I'm going to interview Roine Stolt next week and just got The Sea Within's first album! Does anyone have a question for him?
Could you share some of your thoughts about the new album?? Dying to hear it!!
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Hey, I'm going to interview Roine Stolt next week and just got The Sea Within's first album! Does anyone have a question for him?
I have nothing specific about The Sea Within, but a few FK related questions:
1) Was Hydrophonia ever intended to be a FK album? It basically is the "lost" instrumental FK album and I think it's some of his most brilliant work, but I don't feel like many people know about it due to the fact that it isn't part of their official discography.
2) Are there any FK tracks that he feels that never got enough credit/recognition that he thinks are really good? And conversely, are there any FK tracks he dislikes for whatever reason?
3) How come I Am The Sun was never played as one full 25 minute piece? The first half of Part 2 is my favorite section of the song but is always omitted.
4) Any chance of a digital/mp3 version of Fantasia ever being released? There's literally no way to hear this album.
Thanks!
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4) Any chance of a digital/mp3 version of Fantasia ever being released? There's literally no way to hear this album.
Thanks!
Unless you hunt down a copy off eBay like I did many many years ago! Back in 2010, I won a copy, only cost me $31.33 after shipping and handling. It wasn't in mint condition, but it came with the disc, unscratched, and the original case and paperwork, though I think the cover was a bit worn down/foggy-looking after years of wear and tear.
I haven't spun it in a looooong time, but it's an interesting oddity in the history of Roine Stolt, pre-TFK and post-Kaipa, that weird 80's era. Now I just need copies of Behind The Walls and The Lonely Heartbeat...
-Marc.
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Rod question for RS does The Sea Within means the end of Transatlantic? It’s been
It’s been 4 years since Kaleidoscope was released and I am dying to read news about the 4 guys getting together for a new adventure
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I remember MP saying something like he wants to keep a Transatlantic release something special, so he doesn't want to make a Transatlantic album every two years or so. Don't know what he said exactly though. There were also 5 years between The Whirlwind and Kaleidoscope, so..
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There were also 5 years between The Whirlwind and Kaleidoscope, so..
I hear you
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There were also 5 years between The Whirlwind and Kaleidoscope, so..
I hear you
Sooooo.... new album in 2019??? ;)
And I've heard MP make that quote before, too. I think Roine is up for it, he's just waiting for the right time for the others, though I think a lot of it hinges on Neal's busy schedule, as it is his place that they meet up to write/arrange/record, so I think once he is free enough, and the other three's schedules line up, they will probably set aside 2-4 weeks to get together this or next year.
I think MP's schedule is pretty booked this year with SOA, and then eventually new albums from Flying Colors and The Neal Morse Band, so I think we won't see Mike and Neal be open for TA5 until early/mid 2019, which means a late-2019 album release, at the earliest.
-Marc.
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Neal has said that a 3rd Flying Colors is by no means a sure thing, so I wouldn't count of that any time soon.
I thought the new clip sounded okay, but Gildenlow's voice is always very hit or miss for me.
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I’ve been listening to this album almost nonstop. It’s a great release! Pretty solid.
And for me I am calling it AOTY (I am sorry Orphaned Land you have been dethroned)
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I’ve been listening to this album almost nonstop. It’s a great release! Pretty solid.
And for me I am calling it AOTY (I am sorry Orphaned Land you have been dethroned)
Thanks for offering me another review, I have been listening to it since yesterday in the evening. I agree, it's a very strong album.
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Neal has said that a 3rd Flying Colors is by no means a sure thing, so I wouldn't count of that any time soon.
I don't care for any of their other projects dammit! >:(
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Neal has said that a 3rd Flying Colors is by no means a sure thing, so I wouldn't count of that any time soon.
I don't care for any of their other projects dammit! >:(
I think with the second album they lost the way they established on the first album a little. The opener of Second Nature for instance is a classic Neal Morse song that could have been a Transatlantic or - well - a Neal Morse song.
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For those of you who already listened to this album, I'm really curious if the style is closer to "retro" prog, like Transatlantic, or it has some more modern influences? Thanks!
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For those of you who already listened to this album, I'm really curious if the style is closer to "retro" prog, like Transatlantic, or it has some more modern influences? Thanks!
The album definitely has modern influences, a true amalgamation of talents
Roine says it better than me
People have asked me how I would describe what we have done, and it is almost impossible. I would have to say it sounds like...us, ‘The Sea Within’. Our tastes are very eclectic – from prog to jazz to classical, to heavy rock, folk, punk, electronica and pop. We all come from a different background - so here everything goes. “This has been about putting those diverse influences into the music. I feel you will hear all that's good about pop – with great melodies and hooks – plus the rawness of metal, improvisations, symphonic and movie soundtracks. We also left room for each of us to take off on flights of instrumental jamming. That was the basic idea, anyway. But until we all got together, we had no idea where it would lead or if it would actually work.”
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Very cool, thanks!
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I'd say it's really more diverse than any NM / TA / etc. album of the last few years. Of course it still has a retro-prog feeling, but with lots of different influences.
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Who, would you say, is the member that shines the most on this album? My bet is either Roine or Daniel
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Who, would you say, is the member that shines the most on this album? My bet is either Roine or Daniel
I would say the album it’s pretty well balanced, and that all of them shine equally.
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Who, would you say, is the member that shines the most on this album? My bet is either Roine or Daniel
I would say the album it’s pretty well balanced, and that all of them shine equally.
That's good to hear! Hope they release a song soon.
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Their first single is already up on Spotify, Amazon, etc...
https://open.spotify.com/track/60bo5ihsQixym28iF6GMlv
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Their first single is already up on Spotify, Amazon, etc...
https://open.spotify.com/track/60bo5ihsQixym28iF6GMlv
Really? How did I miss this? ??? I’ll check it as soon as I have wifi connection.
Edit: It’s unavailable to play on my Spotify.
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We at Sonic Perspectives had a podcast tonight with a half hour discussion on this album. Should hopefully be online in the next 2-3 days, but I think you guys will dig hearing some more about this. :)
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https://www.facebook.com/InsideOutMusic/posts/10156457025170439
First single, Ashes Of Dawn!
Very much looking forward to your discussion Nick :)
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First impression: generic as fuck.
But who knows... I will wait for the whole album.
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First impression: I love it. That was awesome.
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Yeesh, that was not good. Could the vocal melodies be more boring and unimaginative? Someone in the know please tell me the rest of the album will be a lot better than that.
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But don't forget guys: THIS IS MORE THAN A MERE SUPERGROUP. IT IS AN AMALGAMATION OF TALENTS.
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I wouldn't call it generic, but it's definitely unimaginative. I like the sax work, the rest is just OK. From the snippets I've heard I think the rest will be better than this one, so I'll wait and see.
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I wouldn't call it generic, but it's definitely unimaginative. I like the sax work, the rest is just OK. From the snippets I've heard I think the rest will be better than this one, so I'll wait and see.
Yeah the sax section was probably my favorite part, beyond that - nothing about that song grabbed me at all. The whole thing seemed very...bland.
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This was awesome, I'm definitely excited
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I like this song a lot! And Daniel's vocals reminded me classic PoS :tup
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This song didn't grab my attention at all. Still cautiously optimistic about the album though.
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Hammy lyrics, incredibly lazy melody. Expected better from this group.
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Fun to see a lot of polarizing opinions here - two extremes, not a lot, if any middle-ground opinions.... except mine. I didn't hate it, but I didn't LOVE it. It sounds more like TFK than I wanted, but I enjoyed hearing Tom and Marco give their talents to the trio of former TFK members in this. The sax part surprised me the most, but compared to the rest of the song, it wasn't much.
I liked it good enough, but not as much as some others here seem to like it. I want to hope that the rest of the album is more adventurous and less "safe". After Anderson/Stolt's album, I'm beginning to wonder if all of these projects are just vehicles for Roine's TFK music that he doesn't want to make with TFK anymore...
-Marc.
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Honestly, after the Anderson/Stolt album and now hearing this song, I fear that Roine's creative peak is a thing of the past. If so, I can't gripe, considering how much great music he had a major hand in writing from 1994-2012.
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I enjoyed that song. Seems like a safe choice for a taste of the album, something familiar.
It got me interested in the album.
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The song isn't bad at all, but I feel like they all wanted to do "their thing" at the same time, instead of trying to benefit the song. Still excited for the album, though. The lineup is really good.
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Here we are, once you're done feasting on the first new track I believe the 2nd half of this episode will be of some interest: https://www.sonicperspectives.com/features/talking-perspectives-episode-five/
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First impression: generic as fuck.
But who knows... I will wait for the whole album.
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Huge, HUGE mess up today - Roine called, and I had it in my calendar that we'd be speaking on Tuesday, not on Monday. He was cool about it though, I wasn't ready yet and didn't have my questions with me, so we rescheduled for tomorrow.
For those of you still wondering, the three guest appearances - Jordan Rudess, Jon Anderson and Rob Townsend - all appear on disc one. The album surely has that retro-prog feel, but with a lot more modern influences. Like the first single already released, on many others there's a significant change of pace from their starting points. I didn't really click with the album on the first listen, but on my third it finally resonated with me. Don't discard this album so quickly guys, it's definitely a grower.
Anyway, I'll talk to Roine tomorrow, but the interview can only be published ten days before the release, unfortunately. So I'll post the link here on June 12.
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New interview with Roine: https://www.sonicperspectives.com/interviews/interview-with-roine-stolt/
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Just spoke with Roine for 40 minutes...great interview, and I asked some of the questions posted here. The most surprising bit of the interview was that they invited Jordan Rudess first and he said yes, but then the DT camp complained about it. He ended up playing on one song of the album, and will hopefully join them on stage on CTTE.
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Just spoke with Roine for 40 minutes...great interview, and I asked some of the questions posted here. The most surprising bit of the interview was that they invited Jordan Rudess first and he said yes, but then the DT camp complained about it. He ended up playing on one song of the album, and will hopefully join them on stage on CTTE.
Interesting bit about Riders and DT. Are they not allowing their members to join other bands anymore for fear of losing them? :lol
-Marc.
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I get not wanting to get burned again after what happened with Portnoy and AS, but that is kind of disappointing. Rudess is not a boat rocker, but I am sure he couldn't have pleased about being told he couldn't do something he wanted to do.
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Just spoke with Roine for 40 minutes...great interview, and I asked some of the questions posted here. The most surprising bit of the interview was that they invited Jordan Rudess first and he said yes, but then the DT camp complained about it. He ended up playing on one song of the album, and will hopefully join them on stage on CTTE.
I know JLB came out basically saying that the DT camp did not influence the Progpower cancellation decision, but maybe they did. Seems like they did it with Rudess too.
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Just spoke with Roine for 40 minutes...great interview, and I asked some of the questions posted here. The most surprising bit of the interview was that they invited Jordan Rudess first and he said yes, but then the DT camp complained about it. He ended up playing on one song of the album, and will hopefully join them on stage on CTTE.
I know JLB came out basically saying that the DT camp did not influence the Progpower cancellation decision, but maybe they did. Seems like they did it with Rudess too.
Didn't Bosk confirm that? I think the PP thing was a James issue, either personal, with his vocals, or something with his band.
About the JR thing, I get it, but I don't agree with the decision either. He already did 2 albums with LMR and it wouldn't have hurt to let him do this as well, but my guess is that they didn't want Jordan in a band that's more than just a project, they have touring plans, so I can see how that could've interfered with DT's plans. Still, not cool.
And, btw, what we know is that "the DT camp complained about it", but what does this mean? I don't see James, Mike or Myung complaining about this, so it was either JP, who basically runs the band at this point (and that's not a bad thing), or the management. I bet it was the management, as in "you have to prioritize DT over anything else", but what do you guys think? JP is such a cool guy, IMO, that I don't think he would get too upset about this, even though I think he said, IIRC, he did not agree with Portnoy touring with A7X in the first place.
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Hope this hasn't been posted here before, insideout has posted a review by Prog Nick:
https://progreport.com/the-sea-within-the-sea-within-album-review/
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Just spoke with Roine for 40 minutes...great interview, and I asked some of the questions posted here. The most surprising bit of the interview was that they invited Jordan Rudess first and he said yes, but then the DT camp complained about it. He ended up playing on one song of the album, and will hopefully join them on stage on CTTE.
I know JLB came out basically saying that the DT camp did not influence the Progpower cancellation decision, but maybe they did. Seems like they did it with Rudess too.
Didn't Bosk confirm that? I think the PP thing was a James issue, either personal, with his vocals, or something with his band.
About the JR thing, I get it, but I don't agree with the decision either. He already did 2 albums with LMR and it wouldn't have hurt to let him do this as well, but my guess is that they didn't want Jordan in a band that's more than just a project, they have touring plans, so I can see how that could've interfered with DT's plans. Still, not cool.
And, btw, what we know is that "the DT camp complained about it", but what does this mean? I don't see James, Mike or Myung complaining about this, so it was either JP, who basically runs the band at this point (and that's not a bad thing), or the management. I bet it was the management, as in "you have to prioritize DT over anything else", but what do you guys think? JP is such a cool guy, IMO, that I don't think he would get too upset about this, even though I think he said, IIRC, he did not agree with Portnoy touring with A7X in the first place.
Look, I've never met the guy personally, and others here have, but what does he's "such a cool guy" have to do with it? He is cool, and Mike has been his friend since they were ogling cheerleaders in Kenmore Square, but when it came time to choose between DT taking time off or DT taking a break with their drummer, well, we know how that went down. I don't think "being a cool guy" and "Hey boss, I'd really rather you didn't at this point in time" are not mutually exclusive.
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Just spoke with Roine for 40 minutes...great interview, and I asked some of the questions posted here. The most surprising bit of the interview was that they invited Jordan Rudess first and he said yes, but then the DT camp complained about it. He ended up playing on one song of the album, and will hopefully join them on stage on CTTE.
I know JLB came out basically saying that the DT camp did not influence the Progpower cancellation decision, but maybe they did. Seems like they did it with Rudess too.
Didn't Bosk confirm that? I think the PP thing was a James issue, either personal, with his vocals, or something with his band.
About the JR thing, I get it, but I don't agree with the decision either. He already did 2 albums with LMR and it wouldn't have hurt to let him do this as well, but my guess is that they didn't want Jordan in a band that's more than just a project, they have touring plans, so I can see how that could've interfered with DT's plans. Still, not cool.
And, btw, what we know is that "the DT camp complained about it", but what does this mean? I don't see James, Mike or Myung complaining about this, so it was either JP, who basically runs the band at this point (and that's not a bad thing), or the management. I bet it was the management, as in "you have to prioritize DT over anything else", but what do you guys think? JP is such a cool guy, IMO, that I don't think he would get too upset about this, even though I think he said, IIRC, he did not agree with Portnoy touring with A7X in the first place.
Look, I've never met the guy personally, and others here have, but what does he's "such a cool guy" have to do with it? He is cool, and Mike has been his friend since they were ogling cheerleaders in Kenmore Square, but when it came time to choose between DT taking time off or DT taking a break with their drummer, well, we know how that went down. I don't think "being a cool guy" and "Hey boss, I'd really rather you didn't at this point in time" are not mutually exclusive.
It was not DT taking time off though.... it was an indefinite hiatus he asked for. Makes a very big difference.
Had MP asked for 6 months off I think it would have gone in another direction altogether.
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We don't need to rehash conversations from eight years ago that none of us were actually party to, but suffice to say, given past history I don't think it's completely and utterly out of the question for that JP/JR conversation to have gone down in a way that left JR with the feeling that the best answer for all was for him to excuse himself from that project.
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Just spoke with Roine for 40 minutes...great interview, and I asked some of the questions posted here. The most surprising bit of the interview was that they invited Jordan Rudess first and he said yes, but then the DT camp complained about it. He ended up playing on one song of the album, and will hopefully join them on stage on CTTE.
I know JLB came out basically saying that the DT camp did not influence the Progpower cancellation decision, but maybe they did. Seems like they did it with Rudess too.
Didn't Bosk confirm that? I think the PP thing was a James issue, either personal, with his vocals, or something with his band.
About the JR thing, I get it, but I don't agree with the decision either. He already did 2 albums with LMR and it wouldn't have hurt to let him do this as well, but my guess is that they didn't want Jordan in a band that's more than just a project, they have touring plans, so I can see how that could've interfered with DT's plans. Still, not cool.
And, btw, what we know is that "the DT camp complained about it", but what does this mean? I don't see James, Mike or Myung complaining about this, so it was either JP, who basically runs the band at this point (and that's not a bad thing), or the management. I bet it was the management, as in "you have to prioritize DT over anything else", but what do you guys think? JP is such a cool guy, IMO, that I don't think he would get too upset about this, even though I think he said, IIRC, he did not agree with Portnoy touring with A7X in the first place.
Look, I've never met the guy personally, and others here have, but what does he's "such a cool guy" have to do with it? He is cool, and Mike has been his friend since they were ogling cheerleaders in Kenmore Square, but when it came time to choose between DT taking time off or DT taking a break with their drummer, well, we know how that went down. I don't think "being a cool guy" and "Hey boss, I'd really rather you didn't at this point in time" are not mutually exclusive.
Well, you got a point here. What I was trying to say is that I don’t picture JP complaining (that’s the word used here) about it, since that’s not really his personality (and you’re right, I don’t know him, but some here do). But yea, I think it’s very possible he was against it.
About the MP-DT break, I think it’s a bit different because they were basically told they had to put their full time job (and main income source) on hold for an indefinite period of time (since Mike later denied the 5 years thing) and it wouldn’t have been the wisest thing to do for the rest of them, since they didn’t have amy big side projects to work on during that time, while Mike was touring big time with A7X. Even Jordan commented at the time that it didn’t feel right for MP to call all the shots from the outside while they were just sitting, waiting for him to finish whatever other plans he had in mind with his 87 other bands.
Also, let’s not forget that MP thought he was going to join A7X full time, so I bet he made clear to DT that he planned to do it for a long time, leaving them inactive for indefinite time.
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I don't have any particular interest in any of these guys so have only checked this thread now. I saw a song was released so just listened to it. Or most of it, rather. Boring vocal melodies, and my god, that sax section was awful.
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I don't have any particular interest in any of these guys so have only checked this thread now. I saw a song was released so just listened to it. Or most of it, rather. Boring vocal melodies, and my god, that sax section was awful.
Wott?? I LOVE the sax section! Very Starless/VdGG like.
And Daniel Gildenlöw can make any melody sound awesome.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcBWacph6mE
I was real harsh on the first release but I quite like what's going on here. Excitement restored..
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcBWacph6mE
I was real harsh on the first release but I quite like what's going on here. Excitement restored..
I was super excited for this project since Daniel is my favorite musician, but almost nothing in that trailer did anything for me. It was bland and extremely generic for the genre.
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Fritzinger review of the album:
https://lotsofmuzic.weebly.com/home/the-sea-within-the-sea-within-album-review-by-friedrich-stenzel
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:tup Great write-up! Now I'm looking forward to it EVEN MORE!
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We don't need to rehash conversations from eight years ago that none of us were actually party to, but suffice to say, given past history I don't think it's completely and utterly out of the question for that JP/JR conversation to have gone down in a way that left JR with the feeling that the best answer for all was for him to excuse himself from that project.
I hate comments like that. Why not just say the JR was busy with DT? Who knows the real reason but thanks to his comment speculation runs rampant (yay internet!). Maybe it's as simple as that JR couldn't commit because DT is in the studio writing/recording. He should have just kept his mouth shut.
What is Casey's involvement? I haven't really been following this project.
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What is Casey's involvement? I haven't really been following this project.
He's filling in for Daniel on the live shows, and also sang a couple songs on the album.
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I miss the time when albums didn't have all this marketing, promoting and brouhaha, descriptions, conceptions, teasers, studio videos and updates, making offs and masturbation. Mostly people didn't even know a new album was coming until it suddenly was released. The artists also weren't so fussy about details. Music was more free, more spontaneous, I feel. Now people have to create this aura, this identity, this expectation, in order to promote an album. "Oh, we are the so and so, and this is the kind of music we play, we are special".
There's a lot more distractio....uh competition now.
For what's it's worth, I haven't heard a note or read a review of this yet. Doesn't look like there's going to be a US Tour so I preordered the album a few days ago. I really don't know much about it other than who is involved which is enough for me to know I'll enjoy this.
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Fritzinger review of the album:
https://lotsofmuzic.weebly.com/home/the-sea-within-the-sea-within-album-review-by-friedrich-stenzel
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Fritzinger the band liked your review
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Fritzinger review of the album:
https://lotsofmuzic.weebly.com/home/the-sea-within-the-sea-within-album-review-by-friedrich-stenzel
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Fritzinger the band liked your review
That's awesome !!! :hefdaddy
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Fritzinger review of the album:
https://lotsofmuzic.weebly.com/home/the-sea-within-the-sea-within-album-review-by-friedrich-stenzel
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Fritzinger the band liked your review
That's awesome !!! :hefdaddy
Yeah, I saw Tom Brislin shared it. Congrats! :tup
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New song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MszeNIcxmrg
Solely from the fact that there's no awkward melodies or subpar sax solo, this one is already better. But I actually really enjoyed this song, pretty good prog ballad.
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Casey sounds amazing on this song. I loved the lyric "I Fly no colors, because I fly alone." Its a great smooth song. The ending is great.
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Very good vibe for this song. Really excited to hear the whole album.
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Really enjoying the new single. Everyone sounds on point serving the song in interesting ways, especially Casey and Marco. This is what a supergroup should strive to be. It doesn't sound - so far - like it was rushed out in a world record 2 weeks. Really hope it pays off for these guys. I can't wait to get my hands on this album.
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It doesn't sound - so far - like it was rushed out in a world record 2 weeks.
(https://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/017/204/CaptainAmerica1_zps8c295f96.JPG)
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It doesn't sound - so far - like it was rushed out in a world record 2 weeks.
(https://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/017/204/CaptainAmerica1_zps8c295f96.JPG)
:lol
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Yeah, I liked this song way more than Ashes of Dawn. This was great. Excited for the album.
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"I fly no colors" sings the lead singer of Flying Colors. What should we take from that? :yeahright
In seriousness though, I like this a lot better than the first one already.
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Once again my issue is with the very lazy and forgettable vocal melodies/lyrics. Plus the chorus sounds like a Casting Crowns chorus in odd time. Not impressed.
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That song was better than the first, but still not overly impressed so far. This will definitely be a "check out the rest before I buy it" CD.
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Yeah, it might have been a release day purchase for me at one point, but I'm probably gonna hold on it for now. Shame really. 2018's been quiet enough as it is.
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Our interview with Roine Stolt was published today: https://lotsofmuzic.weebly.com/home/an-interview-with-roine-stolt-from-the-sea-within
Lots of information on how the lineup was formed, and a revelation: he invited Jordan Rudess to join, he said yes, and the DT camp complained about it, so he had to pull back.
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Well, dang! I listened to "Goodbye" on my speakers pretty loudly. It's a very beautiful song. I didn't like Ashes of Dawn toooo much, but I went back and listened to it again after Goodbye and found myself enjoying it a bit more. Kinda rocked out to it.
I'm looking forward to the release. What a great group of dudes!
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Hey folks, speaking with Marco on Wednesday, so if you have any questions you'd like answered post up and I'll see what I can do.
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Hey folks, speaking with Marco on Wednesday, so if you have any questions you'd like answered post up and I'll see what I can do.
Not TSW related, but would love to know about his involvement on the next solo album by Jordan. Is he recording the whole album or just a couple tracks? Also would love to know if there’s plans for a 4th Aristocrats album :)
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"How does it feel to not have 2 important band members (Daniel and Jonas) at the premiere gig on the Loreley?"
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Once again my issue is with the very lazy and forgettable vocal melodies/lyrics. Plus the chorus sounds like a Casting Crowns chorus in odd time. Not impressed.
You're on a real rollercoaster in this thread. :lol
Also good to see you posting again!
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"How does it feel to not have 2 important band members (Daniel and Jonas) at the premiere gig on the Loreley?"
I didn't know Jonas won't be there at the Loreley. Where did you get this information?
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From Marillion eWeb Newsletter:
"Pete here!
I shall be joining the new progressive supergroup The Sea Within, for their debut show at the Night Of The Prog festival Loreley on Saturday 14th July - CLICK HERE FOR TICKETS
My good friends Roine Stolt and Jonas Reingold, asked me a while ago if I would help out, as Jonas is otherwise engaged, so I shall be stepping in to his formidable boots for the evening.
It will be great to catch up with Daniel Gildenlow and Casey McPherson and meeting Tom Brislin and Marco Minnemann and I am very much looking forward to playing with these very talented gentleman for the first airing of their stunning debut album.
I hope to see some familiar faces in the audience if you are around."
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From Marillion eWeb Newsletter:
"Pete here!
I shall be joining the new progressive supergroup The Sea Within, for their debut show at the Night Of The Prog festival Loreley on Saturday 14th July - CLICK HERE FOR TICKETS
My good friends Roine Stolt and Jonas Reingold, asked me a while ago if I would help out, as Jonas is otherwise engaged, so I shall be stepping in to his formidable boots for the evening.
It will be great to catch up with Daniel Gildenlow and Casey McPherson and meeting Tom Brislin and Marco Minnemann and I am very much looking forward to playing with these very talented gentleman for the first airing of their stunning debut album.
I hope to see some familiar faces in the audience if you are around."
Guess he will be wandering around a long time looking for Daniel ;)
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"How does it feel to not have 2 important band members (Daniel and Jonas) at the premiere gig on the Loreley?"
I didn't know Jonas won't be there at the Loreley. Where did you get this information?
It was talked about in the interview with Roine I posted a good while back.
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Hey folks, speaking with Marco on Wednesday, so if you have any questions you'd like answered post up and I'll see what I can do.
Not TSW related, but would love to know about his involvement on the next solo album by Jordan. Is he recording the whole album or just a couple tracks? Also would love to know if there’s plans for a 4th Aristocrats album :)
This!!
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Just got off the phone with Marco, what a pleasant man to talk to! Some of your questions were answered, and it should be online in the next few days. :D
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Yey.... my CD arrived from Reingold Records today....
Will give it a proper spin soon.
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Forgot to say that I heard the second song, and enjoyed it a lot more than the first one, and even that one's grown on me a bit.
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SoA, be quiet, sit and learn: This is a supergroup!
I really can't choose one preferred song, at least half of the album is brilliant. But for now They Know My Name, Broken Cord, Denise and An Eye for an Eye for an Eye are the best ones...
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An Eye for an Eye for an Eye
It was my favorite on first listen and nothing has replaced it since.
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An Eye for an Eye for an Eye
It was my favorite on first listen and nothing has replaced it since.
The jazzy middle section (specially the piano solo) :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
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Hopefully its on Spotify soon. I didn't have a chance to pre-order it. Pretty much Spotify is the only way i can hear it for now.
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Just gave it a listen. Not what I thought it would be but still high quality stuff. More listens will come with better expectations this time around and hopefully it will grow on me since there were several moments I enjoyed.
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To me it sounds like a slightly refreshed TFK record with Daniel's vocals to add (if you like them).
Nothing particularly memorable to me but it's definitely better than any of the individual projects of those players in recent years.
Actually... I maybe like Stolt's album with Anderson better. But that's just me.
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Definitely needs a few listens to get into, but now there's a few pretty good tunes. Oddly enough, I feel some of the bonus tracks should be regular tracks (e.g. Denise) and some regular tracks relegated to bonus tracks.
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Haven't broken this one open yet (I will likely tonight), but I'm a bit disappointed it's not a digipak.
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Haven't broken this one open yet (I will likely tonight), but I'm a bit disappointed it's not a digipak.
Did you order from a US distributor, like Amazon? If so, I'm pretty certain all US releases were jewel cases, but the EU version is a 3-panel digipak as seen in many promo pics on the official Facebook page, also shared by Stolt himself.
-Marc.
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The first two songs released from this didn't do much for me and neither did the samples of each track just now on iTunes. I was reminded of how much Gildenlow's melodramatic vocals bug me more often than not (which is why I never dug Pain of Salvation). Someone is gonna have to do a really hard sell to get me to fork over money for this.
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I'm with you on that, and there are definitely moments where Gildenlöw oversells his lines. But, overall I didn't find it too egregious, and then there's of course also Casey singing.
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I'm pleasantly surprised how much jazzy stuff is on there.
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I'm pleasantly surprised how much jazzy stuff is on there.
And how good it is too. Might be my favorite bits on the album.
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I think Gildenlow has gotten a little less flashy with his vocals and his are my favorites on the album. His are probably the only vocals that I really like on the album.
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I'm really liking this album. Standouts so far are They Know My Name, An Eye For An Eye, Broken Cord, and Denise. I was expecting something different honestly, but I'm pleasantly surprised by what it actually wound up being.
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I've listened to this half a dozen times or so and I stick by my original thought that it's "a refreshed Flower Kings album".
Either that, or Roine's playing is just that invasive that it takes over the whole sound and feel.
I don't dislike it, but it's a lot to get through.
And it definitely sounds like prog to me, not "art rock". lol.
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Basically I agree with this, from what I know from TFK, which is only The Rainmaker. TFK with a bit of modern influences, but essentialy a retro prog album. But it is a really good one, for sure! For those who know Marco's solo work, there's a lot of his influence on An Eye for an Eye for an Eye. One thing I must add, although I love Daniel's vocals - here very influenced by PoS's Road Salt phase IMO - I felt it is really magic when Casey sings on the album. What an emotional voice! The Hiding of Truth is simply beautiful and it's because of Casey. :hefdaddy
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I agree with the statement above. The songs where Casey sings are better than the ones Daniel does and now I wonder if touring with Casey will make him the only singer in case there is a follow up album.
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I agree with the statement above. The songs where Casey sings are better than the ones Daniel does and now I wonder if touring with Casey will make him the only singer in case there is a follow up album.
My bet is that Daniel will suffer of Portnoy syndrome and will have to leave TSW because of scheduling conflicts with POS, leaving Casey as their main singer for later albums.
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It strikes me that Roine might crowd other members out. Overwhelmingly I hear the musical presence of his projects and honestly I'm not into it at all. The music is always overproduced and exhausting and the lyrics are faux poetic and impenetrable. I don't think Tom or Daniel got much space here, not even Marco besides that one song which is pretty refreshing and my favorite of the underwhelming lot.
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I've listened to this half a dozen times or so and I stick by my original thought that it's "a refreshed Flower Kings album".
Either that, or Roine's playing is just that invasive that it takes over the whole sound and feel.
I don't dislike it, but it's a lot to get through.
And it definitely sounds like prog to me, not "art rock". lol.
you know prog is fizzling out because a band that is made up and led by dyed in the wool prog guys is trying to rebrand to another genre despite the music being more or less what you'd expect.
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Despite my prior concerns about this album, I took the plunge and bought it. If Roine's sound and presence is that strong, it has to be good, right? And if it's not, it only cost me $9.99.
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Why should it be the determining factor when it's a Roine Stolt project after all?
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His style is domineering factor. When you hear a band he's in, you know he's in the band.
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Well, that's expected isn't it.
I love the Marco and Tom influences on these jams.
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I think people wish with 5 stars there's a bigger mix of their styles of writing.
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I think people wish with 5 stars there's a bigger mix of their styles of writing.
Thats their fault then. "Wishing" it was their perception of what "they" thought the band would be. And it is revealed then "they" be disappointed. Which is why whomever is in that band doesn't mean squat to What the final outcome will be.
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I guess his musical DNA is stronger than the other 4. Lol
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Not to mention that Jonas was TFK's bass player for the majority of their years, and Gildenlow sang some lead vocals on two TFK records, so of course it is going to sound like the Flower Kings at times.
However, after one listen, I didn't come away thinking, "That sounds like the Flower Kings," generally speaking.
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This band gave me the impression that it has a similar structure/style of Transatlantic, but with Ronie being the musical leader and, like in Transatlantic, having the other parts influencing the final result in a lesser degree. Again, I don't think this is a bad thing (like in Transatlantic), this album is really excellent!
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Wasnt this advertised, like most supergroups, as a bunch of songwriting influences coming together? Is it our fault for expecting more than another TFK sounding project when the band themselves set that expectation? He might has well have saved the money and recruited a bunch of talented no names, unless the goal was to trick more people into being interested.
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Wasnt this advertised, like most supergroups, as a bunch of songwriting influences coming together? Is it our fault for expecting more than another TFK sounding project when the band themselves set that expectation? He might has well have saved the money and recruited a bunch of talented no names, unless the goal was to trick more people into being interested.
I'm not sure what this post even means.
I listened to it again today and this is not a "TFK sounding project."
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Wasnt this advertised, like most supergroups, as a bunch of songwriting influences coming together? Is it our fault for expecting more than another TFK sounding project when the band themselves set that expectation? He might has well have saved the money and recruited a bunch of talented no names, unless the goal was to trick more people into being interested.
I'm not sure what this post even means.
I listened to it again today and this is not a "TFK sounding project."
THIS!
You can definitely hear Roine’s influence but in that same way I Marco’s and Daniel’s and the rest of the guys’ influence in the album.
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You can definitely hear Roine’s influence but in that same way I Marco’s and Daniel’s and the rest of the guys’ influence in the album.
Agreed. And Tomas Bodin was such a big part of the TFK sound that it is hard for any Roine non-TFK album to sound too much like the Flower Kings. It's why, when people try to say The Flower King was really TFK's first album, I strongly disagree. It sounds like a Roine solo album, which is was it is.
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Agree to disagree but this basically still sounds like TFK to me.
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Agree to disagree but this basically still sounds like TFK to me.
I kind of have the same sentiment. Marco's drumming sounds like Zoltan's from the last two FK albums. The most original sounding songs are the ones that feature Casey in my opinion and those are the ones I have been enjoying the most. Haven't received my copy yet so I can't comment on the writing credits. Some of the songs also sound like the Road Salts from PoS too...
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Agree to disagree but this basically still sounds like TFK to me.
I kind of have the same sentiment. Marco's drumming sounds like Zoltan's from the last two FK albums. The most original sounding songs are the ones that feature Casey in my opinion and those are the ones I have been enjoying the most. Haven't received my copy yet so I can't comment on the writing credits. Some of the songs also sound like the Road Salts from PoS too...
So what we're all saying is... this album DEFINITELY sounds Swedish...
-Marc.
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Can definitely only concur, this is clearly a Stolt album from beginning to end.
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Bumping this thread, I am really surprised how this album is slowly growing on me. There are some really good songs on there that have nothing to do with the regular cookie cutter prog. For example, They Know My Name is brilliant.
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It's the growers that stand the test of time.
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Haven't broken this one open yet (I will likely tonight), but I'm a bit disappointed it's not a digipak.
Did you order from a US distributor, like Amazon? If so, I'm pretty certain all US releases were jewel cases, but the EU version is a 3-panel digipak as seen in many promo pics on the official Facebook page, also shared by Stolt himself.
-Marc.
This time, yeah, I was looking for the best price and totally forgot there would be a difference.
I've listened a few times already now and while I'm not blown away by it, I do like it. I can tell it's going to be a grower.
Unfortunately it doesn't look like there are going to be any live shows around here that would help me bring these songs to life.
I like the art and the lyrics. I really like Casey's contribution on this too. I've only ever really cared about his work in Flying Colors but this album makes me think I should check out his other projects.
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His style is domineering factor. When you hear a band he's in, you know he's in the band.
He's probably the guy I was least interested in out of everyone.
Other than Transatlantic, I think the last album I might have gotten with him on it that I still have is Wall Street Voodoo.
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I was kind of under-whelmed by this. I didn't go in with any expectations of what the music was going to sound like, but I had read a few reviews. There doesn't seem to be much of a cohesive band feel to this album, it's a mish-mash of different styles and it doesn't always work. The keyboard sounds are dated and in places horrible. Casey McPherson's vocals sound like he recorded in one take without hearing the song or knowing the melody. There's some really talented people on this album, but it ends up somehow being less than the sum of its parts.
Perhaps it's a grower, but I doubt I'll be listening to it enough for it to grow. Ho hum.
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I think "underwhelming" is a good word for it. I like the record, but overall it just strikes me as, well, underwhelming. :lol :lol
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I was kind of under-whelmed by this. I didn't go in with any expectations of what the music was going to sound like, but I had read a few reviews. There doesn't seem to be much of a cohesive band feel to this album, it's a mish-mash of different styles and it doesn't always work. The keyboard sounds are dated and in places horrible. Casey McPherson's vocals sound like he recorded in one take without hearing the song or knowing the melody. There's some really talented people on this album, but it ends up somehow being less than the sum of its parts.
Perhaps it's a grower, but I doubt I'll be listening to it enough for it to grow. Ho hum.
That's why I'm enjoying it -- the fusion of different styles. I'm a Daniel fan, but I really like what Casey brings to this.
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It's the growers that stand the test of time.
signed up today for my free trial of Apple Music and this is the first album I picked.
An Eye for an Eye for an Eye, like it, like it
if I saw this live on stage, i'd be blown away
great album, captain :yarr ;D :tup
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Getting better with each listen. Settled in as a once a week listen. I love Marco.
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there's some liveclips on youtube now. Looking/sounding pretty good. Also a very cool drumsolo by MM.
Looking forward to seeing them when they come here!
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I see no thread for this amazing band! Loaded with talent, and they deliver! Unlike a very cookie cutter album in SOA, this one delivers in epic fashion. From start to finish a great listen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sea_Within
Anyone else in love with this record?
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No, no one here has heard of that band, let alone had a long thread about them.
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Guys, I'm turning this thread public now, our secrets are no longer safe, but I have to let Tick in.
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No, no one here has heard of that band, let alone had a long thread about them.
Ok wise guy, I did not "sea" a thread on them.
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Guys, I'm turning this thread public now, our secrets are no longer safe, but I have to let Tick in.
Ok, Nick...If I see you at Haken in NYC in November, your getting a smack! :tick2:
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Guys, I'm turning this thread public now, our secrets are no longer safe, but I have to let Tick in.
Ok, Nick...If I see you at Haken in NYC in November, your getting a smack! :tick2:
Nah, you'll still be busy catching up on the 100s of posts you missed here! :D
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Seeing this thread reminds me of that band. I've listened to it twice and forgot about it. Seems like this isn't my cup of tea, sadly.
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:lol
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Seeing this thread reminds me of that band. I've listened to it twice and forgot about it. Seems like this isn't my cup of tea, sadly.
I had a similar experience. Took me a bit to get into it, then I quite enjoyed, but within a week lost entirely the desire to listen to it.
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:rollin
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Seeing this thread reminds me of that band. I've listened to it twice and forgot about it. Seems like this isn't my cup of tea, sadly.
I had a similar experience. Took me a bit to get into it, then I quite enjoyed, but within a week lost entirely the desire to listen to it.
I absolutely love the album!
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I quite like this. Stumbled on it by accident. Not a massive progger these days but the vibe is good, afaic.
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Glad someone likes it. I haven't even thought about this album since the week it came out (same with Invention of Knowledge) so maybe I'll listen again and see if anything's changed.
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Yeah, I bought it about a year ago and I've probably only listened to it in full once. I can't entirely put it down to lack of inspiration on Roine's part, because Waiting For Miracles, the Flower Kings' last album, is absolutely brilliant.
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I like this album well enough, but I'll be honest, I don't think I've listened to it more than a dozen times since its release. Given the folks involved, you'd think this would've been way more popular, but it just didn't strike the right chords with me (and many others, it seems).
And at this point, this feels like it'll be another one-off from Roine (looking at you, Anderson / Stolt), especially now that Roine and Jonas are working on a new TFK album, less than a year after the last one. Also, Daniel is working on new POS, Tom is with Kansas, and Marco is always seemingly doing a dozen things at once.
-Marc.
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I like this album well enough, but I'll be honest, I don't think I've listened to it more than a dozen times since its release. Given the folks involved, you'd think this would've been way more popular, but it just didn't strike the right chords with me (and many others, it seems).
And at this point, this feels like it'll be another one-off from Roine (looking at you, Anderson / Stolt), especially now that Roine and Jonas are working on a new TFK album, less than a year after the last one. Also, Daniel is working on new POS, Tom is with Kansas, and Marco is always seemingly doing a dozen things at once.
-Marc.
The Flower Kings (and occasionally Transatlantic) are where Roine's heart truly belongs. By some distance his best music has been made collaborating with those musicians. I mean, obviously it's good to branch out and make music with others, but it doesn't always have the same electrifying results.
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The whole isn't greater than the sum of the parts with this album. Great players but zero chemistry on this album. Plus, for me, I'm not a Daniel Gildenlow fan by any stretch. The cover art is the most inspired part of this album in my opinion.
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Gildenlow is one of the reasons I’ve stayed away from this one. Guy just rubs me the wrong way. He has a good voice but it just comes across as pretentious. Did not care for his appearance on the last TA album at all.
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I still like this album. Wish there would be a follow up but I doubt it given the circumstances.