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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: icysk8r on May 05, 2009, 08:43:07 PM
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from 0:00 to 3:48 can get kind of annoying sometimes. I mean, it is a great introduction and all, but sometimes you just want to hear the song instead of listening to 4 minutes of keyboard notes. Now, that being said, it really isn't just keyboard notes... It draws from Pink Floyd's "Shine On You Crazy Diamond," Tangerine Dream, Marty Friedman's "Scenes," and Queen's "Bijou", emphasizing one of the themes of the songs, being that they admired their idols, and now they are in their idols places. BUT, i don't think that 4 minutes of it was really necessary. I do love the song, it is one of my favorites, by often find myself skipping to about 3:00.
What do you think? ???
i chose numero dos
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It's OK, but it's a bit too similar to PF's Shine On You Crazy Diamond for my taste. The length is OK, could be a bit shorter. But the version on Score (with Jordan using it as his party piece) is too long.
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I wasn't crazy about it originally, but it has really grown on me. It really sets the mood for the song.
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I think it's brilliant and one of the best parts of the song to be honest.
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I like it. One of Jordan's better solo parts.
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I dig it on the album, but watching a couple bootlegs of the song and sometimes it feels a little drawn out and it loses it's magic.
But overall, pretty awesome opening!
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I love it.
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I chose number 2. It's definitely cool, but I find myself skipping over it more than listening to the whole thing.
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I skip over it a lot but when I decide not to I realize it is worth listening to.
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I never skip anything, especially the intro to Octavarium. For me, it's much more mentally-fulfilling and invigorating to listen something in its entirety. The way it's meant to sound, so to speak.
I chose choice number one. :)
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I skip over it about half the time but when I do listen to it I'm not disappointed.
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I chose option 1. I love it as an introduction to the song, and it sets up the themes and mood nicely as it moves into the lyrical part of "I. Someone Like Him".
In the context of the album, however, it's a welcome breather after the barrage of "Panic Attack"-"Never Enough"-"Sacrificed Sons".
-Marc.
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One of Jordan's highlights imo. The Score version is magical... the first time me and my friends watched it we were in awe.
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Never skip it. Absolutely love it!
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I usually skip over it, especially when watching Score.
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I think it's great. A nice buildup to the main theme.
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It's good as it is.
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What else could have they done to make the song exactly 24:00? :P
Haha but no I actually like it, at first I didn't but it definately grew on me.
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I love it, but if I ever skip it I go straight to ~ 13:40. 13:40 - 19:45 is one of my favourite ~5min sections of DT.
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One of Jordan's highlights imo. The Score version is magical... the first time me and my friends watched it we were in awe.
Agreed.. plus it would be hard to find a good starting point skipping the intro.. would just sound like listening to the song part way through.
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I skip the continuum(sp?) part of it, but not the steel lap guitar part.
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I only listen to it as part of the album. If I decide to listen to just the title track I'll skip most of it.
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I think it's brilliant and one of the best parts of the song to be honest.
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It's excellent
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Even though the supporting melody is pretty much lifted from Floyd's "Shine On...," I think the whole intro is pretty bad ass. It is probably the coolest and best thing Rudess has ever done with Dream Theater (talking about the studio version, not the live one, where he goes overboard with it).
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The introduction to Octavarium, as it is on the album, is fine. No problem with it whatsoever.
The introduction to Octavarium on Score, however, is wanky, over-the-top, boring, arbitrarily drawn out, frequently amelodic, and basically just a big waste of space. I'm just glad iTunes has a feature where you can choose the start time (I find a little over five minutes in to work just fine), because seriously, what the fuck.
But yeah, on the actual album, it's OK in my book.
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I usually skip over it, especially when watching Score.
+1
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I love both the studio version and score I have never skipped it and never will... There's no reason to skip it
The introduction to Octavarium, as it is on the album, is fine. No problem with it whatsoever.
The introduction to Octavarium on Score, however, is wanky, over-the-top, boring, arbitrarily drawn out, frequently amelodic, and basically just a big waste of space. I'm just glad iTunes has a feature where you can choose the start time (I find a little over five minutes in to work just fine), because seriously, what the fuck.
But yeah, on the actual album, it's OK in my book.
No...
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Yes on most of the first half, but it isn't necessarily a waste of space or boring.
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Easily Jordan's best solo.
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Easily Jordan's best solo.
Agreed, except it's his 2nd best solo. Love it.
I listen to it but sometimes I fast forward to the moog solo and listen to that part about 20 times because the moog solo is his best solo imo.
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Impressive to watch, I enjoy it on Score.
Boring to listen to, I skip it on the album.
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I love the tension building up to the song
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i think the beginning maybe drags a little but i dont really skip it. I find the SCORE version really long tho...
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I like it.
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I love it. I think it transitions very well and lends to the build up over the whole track up to the beautiful solo at the end. One of my favorite tracks.
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The Score version is appallingly bad.
I guess the album one's ok though, but it does tend to drag
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It's very erie, and I love it. I don't think it drags on at all.
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This song is such a constant buildup that it feels wrong to skip out on the opening, which sets the whole mood.
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This song is such a constant buildup that it feels wrong to skip out on the opening, which sets the whole mood.
+ 3
It's quite magical.
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Seeing as I enjoy ambient music, I love it.
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Used to think it was too long, but the more I listen to it I've convinced myself that it's the perfect length.
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Like it, but skip sometimes. I mean, its a 24 minute song...sometimes i go just to hear the medicate section and some others the Intervals :metal
Most times though, i will just listen to the whole thing.
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I'd be happier if it was half as long.
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I think it's brilliant and one of the best parts of the song to be honest.
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The introduction to Octavarium on Score, however, is wanky, over-the-top, boring, arbitrarily drawn out, frequently amelodic, and basically just a big waste of space. I'm just glad iTunes has a feature where you can choose the start time (I find a little over five minutes in to work just fine), because seriously, what the fuck.
I was easily angered a year ago, apparently.
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I like it, but skip over it often. The rest is nothing but pure brilliance, so the song still manages to be in my top 5. :tup
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I love the tension it builds
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I never skip it. It is truly amazing and builds up the song perfectly.
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The introduction to Octavarium on Score, however, is wanky, over-the-top, boring, arbitrarily drawn out, frequently amelodic, and basically just a big waste of space. I'm just glad iTunes has a feature where you can choose the start time (I find a little over five minutes in to work just fine), because seriously, what the fuck.
I was easily angered a year ago, apparently.
You were easily wrong as well :tup
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It's so atmospheric, I love it, it's amazing and cool, I don't see what's boring about it
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Even though the supporting melody is pretty much lifted from Floyd's "Shine On...," I think the whole intro is pretty bad ass. It is probably the coolest and best thing Rudess has ever done with Dream Theater (talking about the studio version, not the live one, where he goes overboard with it).
That's probably Portnoy's doing. I can't see Rudess telling the guys "hay guys I think it would be really cool to do a long-ass intro to Octavarium when we play it live!" The 7+ miinutes Rudess plays the whole intro probably serve the purpose of letting the whole band rest for a while and get back on stage refreshed and ready to play the beast.
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It made it kind of difficult to originally listen to the song. It took quite a few attempts of listening through the album before I could listen to the whole song. I think I had to sit down one day and just listen to the song first. Once I listened to it though, I can't really see the song without it.
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But the version on Score (with Jordan using it as his party piece) is too long.
I was going to say this. Waaaay too long on Score. I usually skip ahead.
On the album, yeah, it would've been better if it was shorter.
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The Score version s better imo. Don't see any reason to skip this...it's the same as if u would skip a long Keyboard solo in the middle of the song, or like the ending guitar solos on The ministry of lost souls and Best of Times
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I love it, especially how most of the other songs have tie-ins to each other musically, whereas this song just fades in and goes beautifully on its path to be the best song ever.
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I love the intro. Completely sets the mood.
I know I'm in the minority too, but I love the Score version as well.
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I love the intro. Completely sets the mood.
I know I'm in the minority too, but I love the Score version as well.
Exxxxxactlyyy!
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It is awesome on the studio album but from the live videos I have seen it drags on wayyyyy too long
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I understand why people say the live version intro is too long. But I prefer the live version of the song to the studio version, so I don't listen to the studio version much anymore. When I do, it sounds weird.
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I never skip anything, especially the intro to Octavarium. For me, it's much more mentally-fulfilling and invigorating to listen something in its entirety. The way it's meant to sound, so to speak.
I chose choice number one. :)
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I don't hate it. When this part plays, I usually do other stuffs, probably surfing internet or just... doing something else. When the band kicks in, that's the time I really give attention to this song. So the intro is more like, preparation?
But to be frank, I find it a bit unnecessary. I voted for the third option.
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Skip it? Hell if anything I sometimes go back to the start to listen to it again before listening to Medicate and the rest of the song.
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I think it's brilliant and one of the best parts of the song to be honest.
Pretty much this. I love it, really sets the mood of the song nicely. Bit of a Pink Floyd rip-off, but then the whole album deliberately wore the band's influences on it's sleeve (as it were), and they pulled it off excellently in this song.
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I understand why people say the live version intro is too long. But I prefer the live version of the song to the studio version, so I don't listen to the studio version much anymore. When I do, it sounds weird.
That's because you saw it live yourself, you jerk. :biggrin:
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I understand why people say the live version intro is too long. But I prefer the live version of the song to the studio version, so I don't listen to the studio version much anymore. When I do, it sounds weird.
That's because you saw it live yourself, you jerk. :biggrin:
I don't think that's why.
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Well, I do, and that's that.
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I think it's brilliant and one of the best parts of the song to be honest.
Pretty much this. I love it, really sets the mood of the song nicely. Bit of a Pink Floyd rip-off, but then the whole album deliberately wore the band's influences on it's sleeve (as it were), and they pulled it off excellently in this song.
Agreed. Best use of the Continuum to date.
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why do you guys skip over PARTS of one track? :facepalm:
how can you honestly say you're a prog rock/metal fan, but say that you skip over large portions of a bands epic? :\
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I have to listen to the intro. It makes the song complete. But if you really want the full experience then listening to the album from start to finish and then listen the first song again to get the full circle experience
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I have to listen to the intro. It makes the song complete. But if you really want the full experience then start with Scenes From A Memory, go right into Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence, followed by Train Of Thought, and ending with Octavarium...and then listen to "The Root Of All Evil" to get the full circle experience
Fixed!
-Marc.
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I like it, probably one of the better parts of the song, which is wayyyy down the list of DT songs I love. I think it's okay. But that's all. And I've never understood the hysterical love for it...
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I have to listen to the intro. It makes the song complete. But if you really want the full experience then start with Scenes From A Memory, go right into Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence, followed by Train Of Thought, and ending with Octavarium...and then listen to "The Root Of All Evil" to get the full circle experience
Fixed!
-Marc.
niice! :tup it's very true, too
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why do you guys skip over PARTS of one track? :facepalm:
Because they don't like it.
how can you honestly say you're a prog rock/metal fan, but say that you skip over large portions of a bands epic? :\
What does the one have to do with the other?
Why should anyone listen to music they don't like?
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why do you guys skip over PARTS of one track? :facepalm:
Because they don't like it.
then why do they listen to the song?
how can you honestly say you're a prog rock/metal fan, but say that you skip over large portions of a bands epic? :\
What does the one have to do with the other?
Why should anyone listen to music they don't like?
if you were to skip to the part when the whole band enters (the main meolody of 8OV) the power of it is kind of lost, without the building atmospheric intro. It's like skipping the atmospheric part of TCOT and going right to the acoustic section. Why?
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why do you guys skip over PARTS of one track? :facepalm:
Because they don't like it.
how can you honestly say you're a prog rock/metal fan, but say that you skip over large portions of a bands epic? :\
What does the one have to do with the other?
Why should anyone listen to music they don't like?
I can see both sides of the argument here, and with the intro to Octavarium I can see why some would do this (even though I personally wouldn't). But you could strawman this argument to say that it's fine for people to skip Intervals, which is still just a section of the song, and they wouldn't have any less enjoyment from the song, which personally I think cannot be true, even if they hate Intervals I genuinely think it's needed to enjoy 8VM fully. But then I suppose this is all completely subjective, so that argument is kind of moot.
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why do you guys skip over PARTS of one track? :facepalm:
how can you honestly say you're a prog rock/metal fan, but say that you skip over large portions of a bands epic? :\
How can they say they're fans? Because they enjoy parts of the music. Pretty simple.
*coming from someone who adores the 8V intro*
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why do you guys skip over PARTS of one track? :facepalm:
Because they don't like it.
then why do they listen to the song?
how can you honestly say you're a prog rock/metal fan, but say that you skip over large portions of a bands epic? :\
What does the one have to do with the other?
Why should anyone listen to music they don't like?
if you were to skip to the part when the whole band enters (the main meolody of 8OV) the power of it is kind of lost, without the building atmospheric intro. It's like skipping the atmospheric part of TCOT and going right to the acoustic section. Why?
Why not? The "power" of it is already lost if they don't like it. So again, why should anyone listen to music they don't like?
And more importantly, why did you bold that entire post?
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There should be a vote for, "I Freakin love it"!
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And more importantly, why did you bold that entire post?
All important posts should be in bold font.
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And more importantly, why did you bold that entire post?
All important posts should be in bold font.
:lol
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I skip to the next song after the "peaceful sedation" section in "A Nightmare to Remember," therefore I can't call myself a fan of metal or prog music, I'm unseasoned, and I support terrorism.
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I'm not in love with it, but it's a solid intro, and I don't skip it. The version on Score is just too much sometimes, though.
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I skip to the next song after the "peaceful sedation" section in "A Nightmare to Remember," therefore I can't call myself a fan of metal or prog music, I'm unseasoned, and I support terrorism.
(https://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i153/toshi_04/salt_pep.gif)
There, now you're seasoned like the rest of us. ;)
Anyway, I actually like that part. I admit with most songs I'll skip around to the part I like, but with this one I've always enjoyed listening from the beginning to the end. It's not that I love it or anything. It's just kind've hard to enjoy it when I don't hear the whole song. :-\
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haha first off i put the font in bold so you could tell i was responding to one of the posted questions :yarr
anyway, im not trying to start arguments, i guess you do what you want with your music. i just dont like when people skip over parts of songs (my friends do it all the time, and they listen to a lot of hip hop (which i enjoy, to an extent) and theyll skip the first 15 seconds of a song so they can get right to the beat, but the buildup to the beat is what makes me bop my head when the beat eventually comes in
idk, just a little pet peeve i have
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I skip to the next song after the "peaceful sedation" section in "A Nightmare to Remember," therefore I can't call myself a fan of metal or prog music, I'm unseasoned, and I support terrorism.
(https://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i153/toshi_04/salt_pep.gif)
There, now you're seasoned like the rest of us. ;)
Anyway, I actually like that part. I admit with most songs I'll skip around to the part I like, but with this one I've always enjoyed listening from the beginning to the end. It's not that I love it or anything. It's just kind've hard to enjoy it when I don't hear the whole song. :-\
what about pepprika? ;)
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I skip to the next song after the "peaceful sedation" section in "A Nightmare to Remember," therefore I can't call myself a fan of metal or prog music, I'm unseasoned, and I support terrorism.
(https://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i153/toshi_04/salt_pep.gif)
There, now you're seasoned like the rest of us. ;)
Anyway, I actually like that part. I admit with most songs I'll skip around to the part I like, but with this one I've always enjoyed listening from the beginning to the end. It's not that I love it or anything. It's just kind've hard to enjoy it when I don't hear the whole song. :-\
what about pepprika? ;)
(https://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h116/eric43/misc/bluesclues3.jpg)
Better? ;)
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The intro is essential to the song.
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The intro sets up the tension for medicate perfectly, so its absolutely necessary to listen to it imo
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I skip to the next song after the "peaceful sedation" section in "A Nightmare to Remember," therefore I can't call myself a fan of metal or prog music, I'm unseasoned, and I support terrorism.
(https://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i153/toshi_04/salt_pep.gif)
There, now you're seasoned like the rest of us. ;)
Anyway, I actually like that part. I admit with most songs I'll skip around to the part I like, but with this one I've always enjoyed listening from the beginning to the end. It's not that I love it or anything. It's just kind've hard to enjoy it when I don't hear the whole song. :-\
what about pepprika? ;)
(https://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h116/eric43/misc/bluesclues3.jpg)
Better? ;)
yes very much ;D