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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: JediKnight1969 on November 08, 2017, 09:31:22 AM
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JP has hinted that next album will be musically inspired by the band's current "Images, Words & Beyond" tour!
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/john-petrucci-no-new-dream-theater-album-until-2019/
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inb4 "but dey already did that with ADTOE" :lol
Interesting, nonetheless. I actually did think the first two albums with Mangini reconnected with the band's roots after the modern, contemporary-influences-driven albums of the 00s. So while that idea doesn't sound fresh on paper, it might actually be executed well.
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Hope the band demos at least some songs and let the songs breath before hitting the record button.
JM seems to have a studio at his home now (Jelly Jam EPK on their last album). Hopefully this opens up the writing a bit more within the band.
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Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.
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Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.
This.
Stop the metal madness :tdwn
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Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.
This.
Stop the metal madness :tdwn
Seems that's what people were disliking about TA. I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE. Get their core fans excited again. For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.
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Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.
This.
Stop the metal madness :tdwn
Seems that's what people were disliking about TA. I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE. Get their core fans excited again. For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.
Yeah I agree cram, if I had to guess I'd say they are going to aim for ADTOE dipped in ToT.
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Interesting. No new album until 2019.
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.
This.
Stop the metal madness :tdwn
Seems that's what people were disliking about TA. I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE. Get their core fans excited again. For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.
I thought A Dramatic Turn of Events was pretty great so if they do something like that again then I'd buy that for a dollar. The only new news (to Herrick anyway) in that little article is there will be no new album next year.
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Back to their roots? Hell yes!! It's gonna be a tremendous long wait but probably it's worth it. About the "more metal or less metal" argument, an album like IAW, Awake or even WDADU will have the perfect balance between prog and metal, not as heavy for the sake of it like TOT and not as classic prog like TA (which I love, don't get me wrong)
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Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.
This.
Stop the metal madness :tdwn
James would have to retrain a bit. he doesn't really have a middle ground anymore. He either does metal, or breathy falsetto
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Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.
This.
Stop the metal madness :tdwn
Seems that's what people were disliking about TA. I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE. Get their core fans excited again. For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.
TA was too metal??
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I hope this means he releases his solo album in 2018.
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I'm glad that they will be taking their time with the next album.
Self titled and The Astonishing had some good ideas, but to me those ideas felt half-baked.
So yeah, take all the time you need with the songwriting. I'm also on board for a back to basics album!
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Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.
This.
Stop the metal madness :tdwn
Seems that's what people were disliking about TA. I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE. Get their core fans excited again. For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.
TA was too metal??
No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough. That was a common complaint I saw.
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I wouldn't say ADTOE was a super metal album either though...heavy sections sure, but overall pretty balanced. If that's what they're going for again I 100% support it.
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I wouldn't say ADTOE was a super metal album either though...heavy sections sure, but overall pretty balanced. If that's what they're going for again I 100% support it.
Me too, I want a "naturally heavy" album for lack of a better term, I want Awake heavy - three notes of The Mirror's intro is all you need to kick ass, not This Dying Soul's second half heavy.
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A progressive metal band/album should be "naturally heavy". Hence the word "metal". :justjen
The direction they went with TA just doesn't compute.
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Well, no, not necessarily. Power metal should be fast and furious and yet I can think of a dozen songs right off the top of my head that have little or no percussion even in them. It's a general descriptor. A prog metal album doesn't have to be entirely metal, prog, or prog metal. :)
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I love the last 3 albums, so I don't mind the direction they take for the next album, I just want it to be a little more experimental this time.
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It'll be interesting to see how a "back to basics" approach but with 8-string guitar will come how.
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“Back to the roots” tends to be the kiss of death for a bands creativity. If it comes naturally then so be it, but I would rather not hear an intentional rehash of past material
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So yeah, take all the time you need with the songwriting....
Except he said it will be so long from now at least partially due to G3, which is really annoying for those of us who'd rather have new DT material.
And yeah back to basics often means "we are tapped out of ideas and no one likes are new stuff anyway... So let's try to write stuff we thought was cool when we were in our 20s."
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I for one am still waiting for John Petrucci's next solo album... just kidding, that thing will never ever get made... Damn it! I should've asked him that Saturday night!! Aw man... :(
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I for one am still waiting for John Petrucci's next solo album... just kidding, that thing will never ever get made... Damn it! I should've asked him that Saturday night!! Aw man... :(
Shit. it's been so long, I've forgotten what his first solo album was even called...
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Well, no, not necessarily. Power metal should be fast and furious and yet I can think of a dozen songs right off the top of my head that have little or no percussion even in them. It's a general descriptor. A prog metal album doesn't have to be entirely metal, prog, or prog metal. :)
Did I say entirely? No. Didn't say power metal either.
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I'd love if JP found the time in 2018 to put out another solo album. Or at least record the new songs he already performed live on previous G3 tours and do an EP.
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Well, no, not necessarily. Power metal should be fast and furious and yet I can think of a dozen songs right off the top of my head that have little or no percussion even in them. It's a general descriptor. A prog metal album doesn't have to be entirely metal, prog, or prog metal. :)
Did I say entirely? No. Didn't say power metal either.
I was just making conversation about sticking to genres and labels, dude. Sorry...
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James also hinted about a specific direction. I got the sense in whatever interview that was it would be a little different from usual. Seems like they've put a lot of thought into it.
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Seems that's what people were disliking about TA. I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE. Get their core fans excited again. For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.
TA was too metal??
No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough. That was a common complaint I saw.
People didn't like TA because it sucked.
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I think you are reading too much into this. I guess JP is only assuring that the new CD won't be a progression of TA's style - they are aware that TA was controversial - and it will be in a more expected DT style. I'm sure that DT will come up with something at least a bit different, like they always do IMO.
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Seems that's what people were disliking about TA. I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE. Get their core fans excited again. For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.
TA was too metal??
No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough. That was a common complaint I saw.
People didn't like TA because it sucked.
You not liking it doesn't mean it sucked :biggrin:
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Seems that's what people were disliking about TA. I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE. Get their core fans excited again. For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.
TA was too metal??
No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough. That was a common complaint I saw.
People didn't like TA because it sucked.
:lol Great album
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Seems that's what people were disliking about TA. I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE. Get their core fans excited again. For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.
TA was too metal??
No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough. That was a common complaint I saw.
People didn't like TA because it sucked.
:lol Great album
Yea TA was fantastic, I get the criticisms though.
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Seems that's what people were disliking about TA. I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE. Get their core fans excited again. For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.
TA was too metal??
No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough. That was a common complaint I saw.
People didn't like TA because it sucked.
:lol Great album
Yea TA was fantastic, I get the criticisms though.
...and likewise, I thought it sucked but I get why people like it.
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Sounds great to me, I&W is my favourite DT album so if it means something in that style again (yeah, ADTOE was great too) then I'm all for it.
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Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.
This.
Stop the metal madness :tdwn
Seems that's what people were disliking about TA. I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE. Get their core fans excited again. For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.
The lack-of-metal and focus on the more melodic style of song-writing was one of the few things I actually liked about The Astonishing. What I didn't like about it was the fact it just wasn't very good.
But then I do accept that other fans loved it.
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Personally, I hope they would go with a more metal direction if only because Mike Mangini's drumming shines best with a metal style. With a lot of melody so that he can have lots of room for orchestration. :p
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Something along the lines of ADTOE would be great, but with better drum production. I don't think they've quite nailed that yet.
I'd like to hear a nice balance of the metal elements, along with some of the more melodic ideas from TA.
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This isn't really that surprising tbh, and nothing we couldn't already predict. I'd say it was fairly obvious they'd go for a more traditional DT album after Astonishing. And not coming till 2019 is not a surprise either. If they start making this around May/June I'd predict a late Jan/early Feb 2019 release, with a single December 2018. Similar release pattern to the Astonishing, with a tour throughout 2019.
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People didn't like TA because it sucked.
Seems constructive and respectful.
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People didn't like TA because it sucked.
Seems constructive and respectful.
Though the comment accurately reflects my views of the album, I meant it mostly in jest/humour for this thread. I didn't figure this was the place to be re-litigating the opinions of whether it's good or bad. :-\
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I want them try something half FII-ish and half ToT-ish kind of album. Like, light and dark side album. To me, FII is a gem that most of the community seems to miss. FII is their root too. :biggrin:
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Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.
I didn't realize that DT had become a Yanni tribute band . . :-( Train of thought is in my top 3 of DT albums, but I skip "Vacant" every time.
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Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.
This.
Stop the metal madness :tdwn
Seems that's what people were disliking about TA. I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE. Get their core fans excited again. For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.
TA was too metal??
No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough. That was a common complaint I saw.
It's level of "metalness" had nothing to do why I didn't care at all for TA. It was the story. I will refrain from describing it because that has gotten me in trouble in the past :-)
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People didn't like TA because it sucked.
Seems constructive and respectful.
Though the comment accurately reflects my views of the album, I meant it mostly in jest/humour for this thread. I didn't figure this was the place to be re-litigating the opinions of whether it's good or bad. :-\
Be careful. I got myself in hot water by posting similar opinions, though with a bit more tact. :-)
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Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.
I didn't realize that DT had become a Yanni tribute band . . :-( Train of thought is in my top 3 of DT albums, but I skip "Vacant" every time.
I know this is in jest, but I love Yanni and would LOVE for Jordan to do some stuff like that... :)
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I want them try something half FII-ish and half ToT-ish kind of album. Like, light and dark side album. To me, FII is a gem that most of the community seems to miss. FII is their root too. :biggrin:
This would be awesome.
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I want them try something half FII-ish and half ToT-ish kind of album. Like, light and dark side album. To me, FII is a gem that most of the community seems to miss. FII is their root too. :biggrin:
Instead of Light Side, Dark Side, how about light to dark dark to light light to dark?
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Before i became a fan of DT back in '92 i was more a metal guy you know like Sepultura Obituary Morbid Angel Metal Church Metallica Pantera Type o Negative and so on.To me DT was more a bit poppy music and i had to get used to it but i liked it a lot and they became my number 1 band and still are.So i don't mind if they go back to the roots i don't mind if it's less metalishhhh.
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I'm starting to hope they go heavy melodic metal with face melting solos and have some bass driven songs where Myung can shine. Something unequivocal that puts the bands ability to play their instruments to the test, yet still having substance to the songs. I hope they out-do themselves and make a statement.. :metal
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but dey already did that with ADTOE
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BRING THE FUSION BACK TO DT
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If we'll get DT12 pt.2, I'll be very happy. Just please nail the drum sound this time, it's 0/3 so far (ADTOE was ok, but overall weak and low in the mix, DT12 sounded like electric drums, TA almost got it, but the snare ruined it).
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If we'll get DT12 pt.2, I'll be very happy. Just please nail the drum sound this time, it's 0/3 so far (ADTOE was ok, but overall weak and low in the mix, DT12 sounded like electric drums, TA almost got it, but the snare ruined it).
Honestly if we get DT12 pt. 2, it might be the first DT album I don't buy.
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^Agreed.
Although, after TA, DT might finally be a band I just look up on Spotify from here on.
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Yea. I mostly enjoyed TA, but largely because of Jordan. Both DT12 and TA kind of make me wonder if JP is running out of the creativity he had in such abundance. Musically speaking, since so many of the cool interesting parts on TA or DT12 were keyboard based.
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Maybe I’m in the minority, but I like the course they’ve been on, musically, since ADTOE.
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Maybe I’m in the minority, but I like the course they’ve been on, musically, since ADTOE.
Count me in.
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Maybe I’m in the minority, but I like the course they’ve been on, musically, since ADTOE.
Count me in.
Me too. Looking forward to whatever they'll come up next, I'm sure it will be fresh and not heavily borrowed from what they've done so far with Mangini.
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Maybe I’m in the minority, but I like the course they’ve been on, musically, since ADTOE.
Count me in.
Me too. I prefer DT12 over ADTOE but still they are solid albums.
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I usually rank ADTOE higher than DT12, but I always listen to the self titled over ADTOE, I think it's amazing and never really got why people don't like it, except for the drum sound.
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I usually rank ADTOE higher than DT12, but I always listen to the self titled over ADTOE, I think it's amazing and never really got why people don't like it, except for the drum sound.
I actually prefer DT12's drum sound over ADTOE, but TA has the best out of three in my opinion.
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I usually rank ADTOE higher than DT12, but I always listen to the self titled over ADTOE, I think it's amazing and never really got why people don't like it, except for the drum sound.
I actually prefer DT12's drum sound over ADTOE, but TA has the best out of three in my opinion.
I would agree with the one exception of the kick drum on TA. Way too compact and sounds like a typewriter. An IBM Selectric II to be exact.
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Back to the roots sounds good. Maybe a tribute to their 1st six albums. The golden age of my DT fandom. :biggrin: :tup
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I usually rank ADTOE higher than DT12, but I always listen to the self titled over ADTOE, I think it's amazing and never really got why people don't like it, except for the drum sound.
I actually prefer DT12's drum sound over ADTOE, but TA has the best out of three in my opinion.
I would agree with the one exception of the kick drum on TA. Way too compact and sounds like a typewriter. An IBM Selectric II to be exact.
I need to listen to that typewriter :lol
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the drum sound on TA, I would’ve mixed some cymbals a bit louder, though.
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I usually rank ADTOE higher than DT12, but I always listen to the self titled over ADTOE, I think it's amazing and never really got why people don't like it, except for the drum sound.
I actually prefer DT12's drum sound over ADTOE, but TA has the best out of three in my opinion.
I would agree with the one exception of the kick drum on TA. Way too compact and sounds like a typewriter. An IBM Selectric II to be exact.
I need to listen to that typewriter :lol
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."
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Yea. I mostly enjoyed TA, but largely because of Jordan. Both DT12 and TA kind of make me wonder if JP is running out of the creativity he had in such abundance. Musically speaking, since so many of the cool interesting parts on TA or DT12 were keyboard based.
Well, if writing a two-hour musical is running out of creativity...
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Yea. I mostly enjoyed TA, but largely because of Jordan. Both DT12 and TA kind of make me wonder if JP is running out of the creativity he had in such abundance. Musically speaking, since so many of the cool interesting parts on TA or DT12 were keyboard based.
Well, if writing a two-hour musical is running out of creativity...
Definitely can be.
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It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."
:rollin This one will go to my signature too.
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I'd like to hear a perfect blend of ADTOE and DT12. Make it a classic sounding album (ADTOE), but with more punch and melody (DT12)
And nail the production, all around. Please and thank you.
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I say they should continue with what they did with The Astonishing and freak people out when it comes to the direction of the album. I'm not saying create another two-hour+ opera-like album, but do things that people don't expect you to pull off and be bold and creative and have a certain element of unpredictability, and still be able to write great memorable songs in the process.
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Back to their roots/back to basics -- could mean going back further then you guys think, such as "Another Won" or "Your Majesty." Five minute songs, tightly packed, progressive, unyielding, unexpected.
But in all honesty, I really would like to hear how today's Dream Theater would approach writing a song like "Another Won" with its current lineup.