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Title: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: JediKnight1969 on November 08, 2017, 09:31:22 AM
JP has hinted that next album will be musically inspired by the band's current "Images, Words & Beyond" tour!

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/john-petrucci-no-new-dream-theater-album-until-2019/

 :D
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Mladen on November 08, 2017, 09:39:31 AM
inb4 "but dey already did that with ADTOE"  :lol

Interesting, nonetheless. I actually did think the first two albums with Mangini reconnected with the band's roots after the modern, contemporary-influences-driven albums of the 00s.  So while that idea doesn't sound fresh on paper, it might actually be executed well.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: goo-goo on November 08, 2017, 09:44:52 AM
Hope the band demos at least some songs and let the songs breath before hitting the record button.

JM seems to have a studio at his home now (Jelly Jam EPK on their last album). Hopefully this opens up the writing a bit more within the band.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Kattelox on November 08, 2017, 09:53:42 AM
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: don_waka on November 08, 2017, 10:37:36 AM
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.

This.

Stop the metal madness  :tdwn
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: cramx3 on November 08, 2017, 10:40:49 AM
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.

This.

Stop the metal madness  :tdwn

Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 08, 2017, 10:59:29 AM
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.

This.

Stop the metal madness  :tdwn

Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

Yeah I agree cram, if I had to guess I'd say they are going to aim for ADTOE dipped in ToT.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Herrick on November 08, 2017, 11:02:22 AM
Interesting. No new album until 2019.
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.

This.

Stop the metal madness  :tdwn

Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

I thought A Dramatic Turn of Events was pretty great so if they do something like that again then I'd buy that for a dollar. The only new news (to Herrick anyway) in that little article is there will be no new album next year.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Renzo on November 08, 2017, 11:02:43 AM
Back to their roots? Hell yes!! It's gonna be a tremendous long wait but probably it's worth it. About the "more metal or less metal" argument, an album like IAW, Awake or even WDADU will have the perfect balance between prog and metal, not as heavy for the sake of it like TOT and not as classic prog like TA (which I love, don't get me wrong)
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Evai on November 08, 2017, 11:05:03 AM
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.

This.

Stop the metal madness  :tdwn

James would have to retrain a bit. he doesn't really have a middle ground anymore. He either does metal, or breathy falsetto
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: chaotic_ripper on November 08, 2017, 11:09:18 AM
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.

This.

Stop the metal madness  :tdwn

Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

TA was too metal??
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: rumborak on November 08, 2017, 11:14:11 AM
I hope this means he releases his solo album in 2018.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Polarbear on November 08, 2017, 11:21:34 AM
I'm glad that they will be taking their time with the next album.

Self titled and The Astonishing had some good ideas, but to me those ideas felt half-baked.

So yeah, take all the time you need with the songwriting. I'm also on board for a back to basics album!
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: cramx3 on November 08, 2017, 11:28:25 AM
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.

This.

Stop the metal madness  :tdwn

Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

TA was too metal??

No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough.  That was a common complaint I saw.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: pcs90 on November 08, 2017, 11:33:31 AM
I wouldn't say ADTOE was a super metal album either though...heavy sections sure, but overall pretty balanced. If that's what they're going for again I 100% support it.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: MirrorMask on November 08, 2017, 11:52:56 AM
I wouldn't say ADTOE was a super metal album either though...heavy sections sure, but overall pretty balanced. If that's what they're going for again I 100% support it.

Me too, I want a "naturally heavy" album for lack of a better term, I want Awake heavy - three notes of The Mirror's intro is all you need to kick ass, not This Dying Soul's second half heavy.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 08, 2017, 12:03:48 PM
A progressive metal band/album should be "naturally heavy".  Hence the word "metal".  :justjen

The direction they went with TA just doesn't compute.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Kattelox on November 08, 2017, 12:08:26 PM
Well, no, not necessarily. Power metal should be fast and furious and yet I can think of a dozen songs right off the top of my head that have little or no percussion even in them. It's a general descriptor. A prog metal album doesn't have to be entirely metal, prog, or prog metal. :)
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: gzarruk on November 08, 2017, 12:28:44 PM
I love the last 3 albums, so I don't mind the direction they take for the next album, I just want it to be a little more experimental this time.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Herrick on November 08, 2017, 12:33:29 PM
It'll be interesting to see how a "back to basics" approach but with 8-string guitar will come how.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Mosh on November 08, 2017, 01:17:04 PM
“Back to the roots” tends to be the kiss of death for a bands creativity. If it comes naturally then so be it, but I would rather not hear an intentional rehash of past material
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Cool Chris on November 08, 2017, 01:22:13 PM
So yeah, take all the time you need with the songwriting....

Except he said it will be so long from now at least partially due to G3, which is really annoying for those of us who'd rather have new DT material.

And yeah back to basics often means "we are tapped out of ideas and no one likes are new stuff anyway... So let's try to write stuff we thought was cool when we were in our 20s."
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Kattelox on November 08, 2017, 01:24:49 PM
I for one am still waiting for John Petrucci's next solo album... just kidding, that thing will never ever get made... Damn it! I should've asked him that Saturday night!! Aw man...  :(
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 08, 2017, 01:33:52 PM
I for one am still waiting for John Petrucci's next solo album... just kidding, that thing will never ever get made... Damn it! I should've asked him that Saturday night!! Aw man...  :(

Shit. it's been so long, I've forgotten what his first solo album was even called...
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 08, 2017, 01:41:13 PM
Well, no, not necessarily. Power metal should be fast and furious and yet I can think of a dozen songs right off the top of my head that have little or no percussion even in them. It's a general descriptor. A prog metal album doesn't have to be entirely metal, prog, or prog metal. :)

Did I say entirely?  No.  Didn't say power metal either.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 08, 2017, 01:53:58 PM
I'd love if JP found the time in 2018 to put out another solo album. Or at least record the new songs he already performed live on previous G3 tours and do an EP.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Kattelox on November 08, 2017, 02:00:49 PM
Well, no, not necessarily. Power metal should be fast and furious and yet I can think of a dozen songs right off the top of my head that have little or no percussion even in them. It's a general descriptor. A prog metal album doesn't have to be entirely metal, prog, or prog metal. :)

Did I say entirely?  No.  Didn't say power metal either.

I was just making conversation about sticking to genres and labels, dude. Sorry...
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 08, 2017, 03:47:57 PM
James also hinted about a specific direction. I got the sense in whatever interview that was it would be a little different from usual. Seems like they've put a lot of thought into it.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 08, 2017, 04:21:02 PM
Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

TA was too metal??

No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough.  That was a common complaint I saw.

People didn't like TA because it sucked.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: devieira73 on November 08, 2017, 04:22:41 PM
I think you are reading too much into this. I guess JP is only assuring that the new CD won't be a progression of TA's style - they are aware that TA was controversial - and it will be in a more expected DT style. I'm sure that DT will come up with something at least a bit different, like they always do IMO.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Kattelox on November 08, 2017, 05:27:13 PM
Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

TA was too metal??

No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough.  That was a common complaint I saw.

People didn't like TA because it sucked.

You not liking it doesn't mean it sucked  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Dream Team on November 08, 2017, 05:27:17 PM
Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

TA was too metal??

No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough.  That was a common complaint I saw.

People didn't like TA because it sucked.

 :lol Great album
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: cramx3 on November 08, 2017, 05:38:56 PM
Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

TA was too metal??

No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough.  That was a common complaint I saw.

People didn't like TA because it sucked.

 :lol Great album

Yea TA was fantastic, I get the criticisms though.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Madman Shepherd on November 08, 2017, 05:50:20 PM
Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

TA was too metal??

No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough.  That was a common complaint I saw.

People didn't like TA because it sucked.

 :lol Great album

Yea TA was fantastic, I get the criticisms though.

...and likewise, I thought it sucked but I get why people like it. 
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Zydar on November 09, 2017, 12:34:53 AM
Sounds great to me, I&W is my favourite DT album so if it means something in that style again (yeah, ADTOE was great too) then I'm all for it.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 09, 2017, 02:16:28 AM
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.

This.

Stop the metal madness  :tdwn

Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

The lack-of-metal and focus on the more melodic style of song-writing was one of the few things I actually liked about The Astonishing. What I didn't like about it was the fact it just wasn't very good.


But then I do accept that other fans loved it.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: erwinrafael on November 09, 2017, 02:36:46 AM
Personally, I hope they would go with a more metal direction if only because Mike Mangini's drumming shines best with a metal style. With a lot of melody so that he can have lots of room for orchestration. :p
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Logain Ablar on November 09, 2017, 02:52:51 AM
Something along the lines of ADTOE would be great, but with better drum production. I don't think they've quite nailed that yet.

I'd like to hear a nice balance of the metal elements, along with some of the more melodic ideas from TA.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: the_silent_man on November 09, 2017, 04:48:49 AM
This isn't really that surprising tbh, and nothing we couldn't already predict. I'd say it was fairly obvious they'd go for a more traditional DT album after Astonishing. And not coming till 2019 is not a surprise either. If they start making this around May/June I'd predict a late Jan/early Feb 2019 release, with a single December 2018. Similar release pattern to the Astonishing, with a tour throughout 2019.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: mikeyd23 on November 09, 2017, 07:15:07 AM
People didn't like TA because it sucked.

Seems constructive and respectful.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: jingle.boy on November 09, 2017, 07:28:29 AM
People didn't like TA because it sucked.

Seems constructive and respectful.

Though the comment accurately reflects my views of the album, I meant it mostly in jest/humour for this thread.  I didn't figure this was the place to be re-litigating the opinions of whether it's good or bad.   :-\
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: SeRoX on November 09, 2017, 07:35:01 AM
I want them try something half FII-ish and half ToT-ish kind of album. Like, light and dark side album. To me, FII is a gem that most of the community seems to miss. FII is their root too.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Tony From Long Island on November 09, 2017, 08:01:59 AM
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.

I didn't realize that DT had become a Yanni tribute band . .   :-(      Train of thought is in my top 3 of DT albums, but I skip  "Vacant" every time.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Tony From Long Island on November 09, 2017, 08:03:57 AM
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.

This.

Stop the metal madness  :tdwn

Seems that's what people were disliking about TA.  I'm guessing they are going to shoot for something similar to ADTOE.  Get their core fans excited again.  For me, I don't think it matters, I've loved everything they've produced so far.

TA was too metal??

No, People didn't like TA because it was not metal enough.  That was a common complaint I saw.

It's level of "metalness"  had nothing to do why I didn't care at all for TA.    It was the story.  I will refrain from describing it because that has gotten me in trouble in the past  :-)
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Tony From Long Island on November 09, 2017, 08:05:12 AM
People didn't like TA because it sucked.

Seems constructive and respectful.

Though the comment accurately reflects my views of the album, I meant it mostly in jest/humour for this thread.  I didn't figure this was the place to be re-litigating the opinions of whether it's good or bad.   :-\

Be careful.  I got myself in hot water by posting similar opinions, though with a bit more tact.   :-)
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Kattelox on November 09, 2017, 08:09:07 AM
Less metal, more on the softer side, please, for James's sake and the current age of the band. Play to your strengths and avoid trying to be metulll.

I didn't realize that DT had become a Yanni tribute band . .   :-(      Train of thought is in my top 3 of DT albums, but I skip  "Vacant" every time.

I know this is in jest, but I love Yanni and would LOVE for Jordan to do some stuff like that... :)
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: goo-goo on November 09, 2017, 09:53:11 AM
I want them try something half FII-ish and half ToT-ish kind of album. Like, light and dark side album. To me, FII is a gem that most of the community seems to miss. FII is their root too.  :biggrin:

This would be awesome.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 09, 2017, 09:54:40 AM
I want them try something half FII-ish and half ToT-ish kind of album. Like, light and dark side album. To me, FII is a gem that most of the community seems to miss. FII is their root too.  :biggrin:


Instead of Light Side, Dark Side, how about light to dark dark to light light to dark?
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Dreammajesty on November 09, 2017, 10:42:12 AM
Before i became a fan of DT back in '92  i was more a metal guy you know like Sepultura Obituary Morbid Angel Metal Church Metallica Pantera Type o Negative and so on.To me DT was more a bit poppy music and i had to get used to it but i liked it a lot and they became my number 1 band and still are.So i don't mind if they go back to the roots i don't mind if it's less metalishhhh.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Architeuthis on November 09, 2017, 11:47:38 AM
I'm starting to hope they go heavy melodic metal with face melting solos and have some bass driven songs where Myung can shine. Something unequivocal that puts the bands ability to play their instruments to the test, yet still having substance to the songs. I hope they out-do themselves and make a statement..  :metal
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Zook on November 09, 2017, 12:22:51 PM
but dey already did that with ADTOE
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Art on November 09, 2017, 12:25:24 PM
BRING THE FUSION BACK TO DT
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Sycsa on November 09, 2017, 12:30:41 PM
If we'll get DT12 pt.2, I'll be very happy. Just please nail the drum sound this time, it's 0/3 so far (ADTOE was ok, but overall weak and low in the mix, DT12 sounded like electric drums, TA almost got it, but the snare ruined it).
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Adami on November 09, 2017, 12:33:35 PM
If we'll get DT12 pt.2, I'll be very happy. Just please nail the drum sound this time, it's 0/3 so far (ADTOE was ok, but overall weak and low in the mix, DT12 sounded like electric drums, TA almost got it, but the snare ruined it).

Honestly if we get DT12 pt. 2, it might be the first DT album I don't buy.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Skeever on November 09, 2017, 12:35:26 PM
^Agreed.

Although, after TA, DT might finally be a band I just look up on Spotify from here on.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Adami on November 09, 2017, 12:39:19 PM
Yea. I mostly enjoyed TA, but largely because of Jordan. Both DT12 and TA kind of make me wonder if JP is running out of the creativity he had in such abundance. Musically speaking, since so many of the cool interesting parts on TA or DT12 were keyboard based.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: chaotic_ripper on November 09, 2017, 12:45:57 PM
Maybe I’m in the minority, but I like the course they’ve been on, musically, since ADTOE.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: gzarruk on November 09, 2017, 12:50:31 PM
Maybe I’m in the minority, but I like the course they’ve been on, musically, since ADTOE.

Count me in.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: MirrorMask on November 09, 2017, 01:10:33 PM
Maybe I’m in the minority, but I like the course they’ve been on, musically, since ADTOE.

Count me in.

Me too. Looking forward to whatever they'll come up next, I'm sure it will be fresh and not heavily borrowed from what they've done so far with Mangini.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Renzo on November 09, 2017, 01:23:31 PM
Maybe I’m in the minority, but I like the course they’ve been on, musically, since ADTOE.

Count me in.

Me too. I prefer DT12 over ADTOE but still they are solid albums.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: gzarruk on November 09, 2017, 02:28:19 PM
I usually rank ADTOE higher than DT12, but I always listen to the self titled over ADTOE, I think it's amazing and never really got why people don't like it, except for the drum sound.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Renzo on November 09, 2017, 02:42:27 PM
I usually rank ADTOE higher than DT12, but I always listen to the self titled over ADTOE, I think it's amazing and never really got why people don't like it, except for the drum sound.

I actually prefer DT12's drum sound over ADTOE, but TA has the best out of three in my opinion.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Podaar on November 09, 2017, 02:45:06 PM
I usually rank ADTOE higher than DT12, but I always listen to the self titled over ADTOE, I think it's amazing and never really got why people don't like it, except for the drum sound.

I actually prefer DT12's drum sound over ADTOE, but TA has the best out of three in my opinion.

I would agree with the one exception of the kick drum on TA. Way too compact and sounds like a typewriter. An IBM Selectric II to be exact.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Dublagent66 on November 09, 2017, 03:02:45 PM
Back to the roots sounds good.  Maybe a tribute to their 1st six albums.  The golden age of my DT fandom.   :biggrin: :tup
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: gzarruk on November 09, 2017, 03:31:46 PM
I usually rank ADTOE higher than DT12, but I always listen to the self titled over ADTOE, I think it's amazing and never really got why people don't like it, except for the drum sound.

I actually prefer DT12's drum sound over ADTOE, but TA has the best out of three in my opinion.

I would agree with the one exception of the kick drum on TA. Way too compact and sounds like a typewriter. An IBM Selectric II to be exact.

I need to listen to that typewriter :lol
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the drum sound on TA, I would’ve mixed some cymbals a bit louder, though.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Podaar on November 09, 2017, 03:45:23 PM
I usually rank ADTOE higher than DT12, but I always listen to the self titled over ADTOE, I think it's amazing and never really got why people don't like it, except for the drum sound.

I actually prefer DT12's drum sound over ADTOE, but TA has the best out of three in my opinion.

I would agree with the one exception of the kick drum on TA. Way too compact and sounds like a typewriter. An IBM Selectric II to be exact.

I need to listen to that typewriter :lol

It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: erwinrafael on November 09, 2017, 04:17:00 PM
Yea. I mostly enjoyed TA, but largely because of Jordan. Both DT12 and TA kind of make me wonder if JP is running out of the creativity he had in such abundance. Musically speaking, since so many of the cool interesting parts on TA or DT12 were keyboard based.

Well, if writing a two-hour musical is running out of creativity...
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Adami on November 09, 2017, 04:32:45 PM
Yea. I mostly enjoyed TA, but largely because of Jordan. Both DT12 and TA kind of make me wonder if JP is running out of the creativity he had in such abundance. Musically speaking, since so many of the cool interesting parts on TA or DT12 were keyboard based.

Well, if writing a two-hour musical is running out of creativity...

Definitely can be.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: gzarruk on November 09, 2017, 07:12:08 PM
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

 :rollin  This one will go to my signature too.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on November 10, 2017, 04:07:05 PM
I'd like to hear a perfect blend of ADTOE and DT12. Make it a classic sounding album (ADTOE), but with more punch and melody (DT12)

And nail the production, all around. Please and thank you.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: Anguyen92 on November 10, 2017, 07:38:58 PM
I say they should continue with what they did with The Astonishing and freak people out when it comes to the direction of the album.  I'm not saying create another two-hour+ opera-like album, but do things that people don't expect you to pull off and be bold and creative and have a certain element of unpredictability, and still be able to write great memorable songs in the process.
Title: Re: DT14: not until 2019, but... Back to the roots!
Post by: RaiseTheKnife on November 10, 2017, 08:09:05 PM
Back to their roots/back to basics -- could mean going back further then you guys think, such as "Another Won" or "Your Majesty."   Five minute songs, tightly packed, progressive, unyielding, unexpected.

But in all honesty, I really would like to hear how today's Dream Theater would approach writing a song like "Another Won" with its current lineup.