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Title: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: faizoff on October 23, 2017, 09:38:23 AM
Season 8 premiered last night, didn't watch it live but caught it afterwards. I think as always they have some great ideas but they don't get done that well and look a bit jarring as they unfold.




Spoilers below




I actually liked the plot of them trying to lure the zombies into Negan's camp. I don't quite get at the confrontation of shooting at the windows once they got there. I'm sure it's deliberate that they wanted to miss but I don't know what the point was.


As much as I'd like father Gabriel to be shitting his pants when he's trapped in a building with Negan, he has a fucking gun with him and it should be the other way round when it comes to shitting the pants.


The speeches at this point in the show all sound the same to me and I just tune them out, it's almost always the same spiel.


I can't tell if the future that they hinted at with Jesus looking Rick is either an actual flash forward or just Rick's imagined future. Seems too specific so I'm thinking it's real but then they made it look all dream like, so I guess they will reveal it at the end of Season 8 when I've probably lost interest by then.


Probably a 6/10 for now.



Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 23, 2017, 10:27:50 AM
I like the show.....I've always liked it. I understand the gripe some people have with it but all in all I still enjoy it and don't think I'll ever stop. I wish that AMC didn't have so much pull as to the content of the show but I think they influence the storyline by insisting that the seasons remain (16) episodes. Which is just a cash grab for them. This show could easily be 10-12 episode seasons which could eliminate some of the lazy portions of the show. But....oh well.


SPOILER TALK....COMIC REFERENCES



I think the flash forward in which Rick appears sweaty, tired and beat up a bit when he's sitting under the stained glass window is the final 'battle' between he and Negan....and, being that he recites something along the lines of 'my mercy has overcome my wrath' they are most likely sticking to the comic material and he has just spared Negan's life. They are going out of their way already to make the point that Rick is insisting he's going to kill Negan....so, when he doesn't that will suppose to be shocking I guess?

I think the 'old man Rick' flash forward is either him just dreaming it up or it could actually be like the comic and it's really them in a few years. who knows?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: lucky7 on October 23, 2017, 01:16:57 PM
Great first episode to season 8. (Spoilers as per topic header)

I did like that they jumped straight into the attack on Negan's camp, if they had left it a few episodes that would have been annoying.

Breaking the glass I thought was an attempt that anyone inside would come outside, but apart from the few, no one else seemed to be around.
In that main hall anyway.

I must admit what appeared to be railcars/containers behind Rick and his group, I expected people to come out of those.

I don't get why at least one of Negan's group was not shot, even Regina who they just introduced.

Then Negan ends up on his own, how did that even happen .. without Simon or someone with him.

Even with a gun, I don't believe Gabriel will use it, even as Negan approached him, he seemed to point it away, not at him.

When we saw shorts for the season with Rick as an old man, I almost wanted there to be about 20 minutes where Rick woke up in the hospital as if it was all a dream.
And different characters as Doctors, Nurses, Patients etc. I am just describing that scene from Legion, but I liked that, so I almost wished that had happened.
Likely it will just be when Rick is another bad situation further into this season and imagines an ordinary life.

I would love there to be a flash back episode for Negan, before everything went to hell, and how he got to where he is.

Gregory such an idiot, I actually like Simon pushing him down the stairs. What Gregory he then does to Gabriel though was terrible. Gregory is a loose cannon though and it will be interesting to see what he does from here.

Overall looking forward to the season. The Talking Dead premiere was fantastic as well, most of the cast, no spoilers but still good, even Sasha, Herschel, T-Dog and Merle were on.
Glenn only by taped footage.  Kirkman did mention that either in the second half season 8 or start of 9 there will be a cross over with Fear the walking Dead, no mention of what characters.

Saw a quick preview for next week and I have to say would it not have been smart to move everyone from Alexandria until after the attack?
I could be wrong but it seemed like part of Negan's crew were clearing weapons from what looked like one of the Alexandria houses.
Though it is hard to distinguish everyone, apparently The Kingdom have orange armbands, Hilltop in Green and Alexandria in White. I never even noticed them on first watch.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: masterthes on October 23, 2017, 04:03:18 PM
I think the shooting of the windows was more noise to attract the horde. How long is Gabriel going to be locked up with Negan?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Grappler on October 23, 2017, 07:54:18 PM
I think the shooting of the windows was more noise to attract the horde. How long is Gabriel going to be locked up with Negan?

It also kept everyone inside distracted and hiding, so they wouldn't figure out what the real attack was (blowing up the perimeter and leading a horde right to their doorstep).   The criticism of this show is insane.  As for why they didn't just try to immediately kill Negan or his cronies - Rick offered them a chance to walk away without a fight.  So they're not going to kill them right away if he can get them to surrender.

As for comic comparisons, it's been two years since I've read All Out War, so I'm pretty much blind on this.  I'd have to re-read it, and I just don't have that time right now. But I'll enjoy the show anyways.  :)
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 23, 2017, 09:32:31 PM
I'm just curious as to if the show will kill off Rick way sooner than if/when he would die in the comic? As in, like....this season? I mean, they could easily start the show down the path with Carl/Daryl or another character....even Negan being the 'main' character and spice it up a bit. They'd get more creative freedom as they deviated from the source material and it'd inject a bit of 'unknown' into the show for the comic readers.

Maybe Andrew Lincoln is perfectly fine with shooting the show 6 months a year and just continuing to make his $800k and episode.....but I can't help but think that at some point those actors/actresses get a bit 'tired' of doing the same old thing and are ready for something new. Especially knowing some of their former co-stars have gone off to do other, multiple cool projects. I don't know....I'm perfectly fine with Rick sticking around but was just thinking what a surprise that'd be if they knocked him off.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: ariich on October 24, 2017, 07:24:20 AM
I'm just curious as to if the show will kill off Rick way sooner than if/when he would die in the comic? As in, like....this season? I mean, they could easily start the show down the path with Carl/Daryl or another character....even Negan being the 'main' character and spice it up a bit. They'd get more creative freedom as they deviated from the source material and it'd inject a bit of 'unknown' into the show for the comic readers.

Maybe Andrew Lincoln is perfectly fine with shooting the show 6 months a year and just continuing to make his $800k and episode.....but I can't help but think that at some point those actors/actresses get a bit 'tired' of doing the same old thing and are ready for something new. Especially knowing some of their former co-stars have gone off to do other, multiple cool projects. I don't know....I'm perfectly fine with Rick sticking around but was just thinking what a surprise that'd be if they knocked him off.
I'm not sure I see that working. I know it's an ensemble show with a large cast, but it always comes back to Rick as the central character. Killing him off would mean either not bothering with a central character like that anymore, or making someone else, but the options you suggest (Carl, Daryl) just don't have enough personality.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 24, 2017, 07:59:57 AM
I'm just curious as to if the show will kill off Rick way sooner than if/when he would die in the comic? As in, like....this season? I mean, they could easily start the show down the path with Carl/Daryl or another character....even Negan being the 'main' character and spice it up a bit. They'd get more creative freedom as they deviated from the source material and it'd inject a bit of 'unknown' into the show for the comic readers.

Maybe Andrew Lincoln is perfectly fine with shooting the show 6 months a year and just continuing to make his $800k and episode.....but I can't help but think that at some point those actors/actresses get a bit 'tired' of doing the same old thing and are ready for something new. Especially knowing some of their former co-stars have gone off to do other, multiple cool projects. I don't know....I'm perfectly fine with Rick sticking around but was just thinking what a surprise that'd be if they knocked him off.
I'm not sure I see that working. I know it's an ensemble show with a large cast, but it always comes back to Rick as the central character. Killing him off would mean either not bothering with a central character like that anymore, or making someone else, but the options you suggest (Carl, Daryl) just don't have enough personality.

I totally agree the show boils down to and revolves around Rick. I like that fact. And, you're probably correct that neither one of those actors/characters could carry the show.....maybe Negan (JDM) could?

I don't see them killing off Rick and I was more or less curious about how much longer Andrew Lincoln 'wants' to continue with the show. 8 Seasons....7 total years....that's a long run and I'm just wondering if he's bored yet? then again....I just looked online and it's reported that he's making $618k per episode so I could be bored with that kind of $$.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: soupytwist on October 26, 2017, 02:50:11 AM
Just fucking kill Negan already, the guys plot armour is getting really annoying now.

So we see a shot of two guards being being sniped of the building.  The cars pull up, Rick fires a shot and out strolls Negan still being as annoying as ever.  No one just shoots him, then we get some dick waving conversation (literally) and Rick starts a countdown, then on 7 Rick starts spraying his Uzi - if this was the plan why not just get the snipers to shoot Negan and his Lieutenants, rather than spray and pray with an Uzi.
Of course there is going to be no chance Ellis Carver will just shoot him now.

And, you're probably correct that neither one of those actors/characters could carry the show.....maybe Negan (JDM) could?

That would kill the show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 26, 2017, 07:42:59 AM
And, you're probably correct that neither one of those actors/characters could carry the show.....maybe Negan (JDM) could?

That would kill the show.

Unfortunately, I don't think the show has done the best job at bringing the comic book Negan to the show. Because, in the comic....his character could absolutely carry/has carried at times.....the story and IMO comic book Negan could easily carry the story without Rick.

I can understand some of the criticism the show Negan character is getting but all in all I think JDM is doing about as good a job as he can. It's a tough character to translate to the screen.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: faizoff on October 26, 2017, 08:59:06 AM
The Negan character started out pretty good in that season 6 finale. He was charming yet menacing, even though we got just a glimpse of him. That depiction was great. But then what we saw in season 7 was mostly comical and appealing to a hormonal teenager. Swearing, horny, badass all around would be how I would imagine villians to be at that age. I think JDM is an amazing actor, I've only seen in the Watchmen movie prior and he was fucking awesome in that movie. He's the right actor for the Negan role and has the perfect look and candor but they need to give his character more depth if they are to make him more believable.


Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 26, 2017, 09:07:45 AM
The Negan character started out pretty good in that season 6 finale. He was charming yet menacing, even though we got just a glimpse of him. That depiction was great. But then what we saw in season 7 was mostly comical and appealing to a hormonal teenager. Swearing, horny, badass all around would be how I would imagine villians to be at that age. I think JDM is an amazing actor, I've only seen in the Watchmen movie prior and he was fucking awesome in that movie. He's the right actor for the Negan role and has the perfect look and candor but they need to give his character more depth if they are to make him more believable.

I picked up the 'Here's Negan' backstory comic yesterday and read it. Was talking with my brother how it'd be a perfect 2 Hour special episode for AMC to do between seasons. It's an interesting enough backstory to show how he got to where he was but I'd rather see it all at once than a flashback here and there. I know there has been talk of revealing his backstory on the show, I just don't know how that'd fit into it all? I think a one off special would be neat.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: soupytwist on October 30, 2017, 04:44:16 AM
Second episode is a real mess.   Splitting up into smaller groups (again) and following 4 separate parties/stories made for a confusing and poorly executed episode in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Grappler on October 30, 2017, 07:04:04 AM
I didn't find it to be that confusing.  They made one main attack at the Savior's gate in the first episode, and this episode involved them to be hitting various Savior outposts.  Splitting up left them vulnerable though, as they've found themselves either in bad positions or injured. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on October 30, 2017, 11:47:27 AM
I like the show. It has to do a lot for me not to like an episode. Last nights episode could possibly be the single biggest waste of an hour the show has ever done. Absolutely pointless. there is no need to show the assault on these outposts. You can show the aftermath of them collecting the spoils or whatever but the "action" sequences in last nights episode were utterly boring.....the re-introduction of Morales' character is utterly retarded.....and the whole morphing Morgan into this almighty assassin is simply lazy writing. Jesus showing weakness by taking prisoners is such a useless manufactured bone of contention for the plot....it's mind numbing. The fact he or anyone would consider letting any of them live is not realistic. I'm just so dissatisfied with that episode....and like I said, I still really like the show. It just makes me worried AMC/Gimple and Co. are going to jack up this really cool story arc from the comic.

That episode is a prime example of AMC being in the way of the storytelling and more evidence to support the fact the seasons need to be shortened to 10 or 12 episode seasons....that'll cure these 'throw away' money grab episodes from being made.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: faizoff on November 01, 2017, 07:01:37 AM
Among a laundry list of wishes that I have for this show that I know will never happen, is that they edit and execute things better. The gunfight that Aaron and the shielded cars have with the saviors looks like it's happening right in front of each other. They need to give a sense of surrounding and context. I think they don't create enough tension in the scenes and the way they are setup, I mean, yes we know it's an all out war and Morgan going loco was great but they should've given him more reason to be that way. Same thing with Jesus, his sudden display of morality is not shown with proper context and that's why that episode was boring even with all that action.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Grappler on November 01, 2017, 07:37:32 AM
I mean, yes we know it's an all out war and Morgan going loco was great but they should've given him more reason to be that way. Same thing with Jesus, his sudden display of morality is not shown with proper context and that's why that episode was boring even with all that action.

The Morgan thing was explained via the scenes with Rick - Rick knows that Morgan is very capable of killing. So he flipped that switch in Morgan's brain to tell him that they need him to kill Saviors.

As for Jesus, it's pretty reasonable to see that he is taking a more respective approach to war.  The Alexandrians follow Rick's orders to kill all Saviors.  Jesus will spare those that surrender and try to take them as prisoners of war.  Jesus isn't exactly a killing machine - he's always shown more of a calm demeanor, though he can certainly fight when he needs to.  So that's not a stretch to me at all.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: faizoff on November 01, 2017, 08:16:48 AM
I suppose you're right. I think I'm fatigued by the show and might have to just quit it by the looks of it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: ariich on November 01, 2017, 03:03:31 PM
I swear it feels like nothing actually happens in this show anymore. :lol
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: soupytwist on November 02, 2017, 04:55:05 AM
I'd say the show has been spinning it's wheels since the group arrived at Alexandria.   Season 6 felt like one long tease for the arrival of Negan.  Season 7 introduced us finally to Negan.....and he's a dreadful character, and we also got the awful Junkyard Elves.   The two episode of Season 8 haven't really been much better either, they've somehow made the start of the all out war kind off dull.   I still have hope they can turn it around though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: kaos2900 on November 02, 2017, 07:35:54 AM
I suppose you're right. I think I'm fatigued by the show and might have to just quit it by the looks of it.

I quit after season 6. One of the best decisions I've made.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: faizoff on November 02, 2017, 07:40:52 AM
I think I'll see how the mid-season finale goes, I'm guessing I won't continue after that. My wife already bailed on this season even though she's a much bigger fan than me. She hasn't even watched the two episodes yet.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Zook on November 02, 2017, 09:50:43 AM
Is Negan as hammy in the comics?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 02, 2017, 10:22:52 AM
Is Negan as hammy in the comics?

Nope. I'm not sure who's choice it was to add some of the little quirks that JDM has as far as the licking the lips, the hip thrust etc etc but it isn't achieving the goal of translating Negan from page to screen.

In the comic Negan from get go is pretty charismatic and fear inducing. The Glenn death gets the ball rolling and honestly, the issue I think is that Negan in the comic any time he's on the page is in circumstances where he gets to demonstrate how frightening he can be or how he commands leadership. It was always going to be a challenge translating that character to screen because he truly is a campy comic book character that's done really well in the comic. I love what they've done with that character in the comic actually.

It's been difficult to watch TV Negan being how much I like comic Negan. I think JDM is doing a good job, but I don't blame his lack of 'nailing' the character on him. TWD has a long history of F'ing up the comic character. Andrea, Tyres and the Governor were botched big time IMO.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Grappler on November 02, 2017, 11:44:47 AM
I swear it feels like nothing actually happens in this show anymore. :lol

Do you read the comics?  The group stays in Alexandria for a long, long, long time.  The showrunners and actors have also gone on to say that Season 7 occurs over a period of only 2-3 weeks within the timeline of the show.  So of course, not terribly much is going to happen because they haven't experienced much.  Season 7 was a bunch of world building.  You can't have a bunch of random groups going to war against the Saviors without introducing them.  So you got the slower paced season to build everything up to this season.  They also have 16 episodes to cover it, so not everything is going to happen right away.  The All Out War arc spanned two volumes of the comics, if I remember right.  That's 10+ issues?  Expand that for television, and you have one full season for the comic arc.



Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 06, 2017, 07:11:23 AM
Much better episode. Love Daryl’s approach these days.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: soupytwist on November 06, 2017, 07:21:47 AM
Much better episode. Love Daryl’s approach these days.

Agreed.  Aside from Aaron's awful cryface acting it was a much improved episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 06, 2017, 06:55:52 PM
They are also showing more and more walkers without their skin....just sagging muscle which leads me to believe that it wont' be long before the Whisperers are introduced...at least at the level they were in the comic initially when a couple of the Kingdom scouts heard the Walkers 'whispering' to one another.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Zook on November 06, 2017, 08:53:23 PM
I'm glad Morales didn't last long. That actor hasn't improved much in 7 years.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 06, 2017, 09:35:01 PM
I'm glad Morales didn't last long. That actor hasn't improved much in 7 years.

I thought that was awesome. For a moment I thought Rick was going to make a move but the longer they talked you just knew Daryl was coming. Was pleasantly surprised when he just immediately killed him.

I think it's safe to say Daryl is on a murderous mission this season after being tortured.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: faizoff on November 13, 2017, 06:24:55 AM
I haven't watched the last two episodes but if one of the show's super hardcore fan, Mike Portnoy, tweets back to back tweets on the last two episodes that it's become an #AllOutBore, I think its time for me wait till the end of season/midseason to catch up on the show. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 13, 2017, 06:34:24 AM
I haven't watched the last two episodes but if one of the show's super hardcore fan, Mike Portnoy, tweets back to back tweets on the last two episodes that it's become an #AllOutBore, I think its time for me wait till the end of season/midseason to catch up on the show.

The last two episodes weren’t bad per say, but they certainly weren’t off the charts. This show needs a mix up in the writing/ showrumner department.  Too predictable of how the episodes are going to go. Gimple did a great job IMO steering the show back on track after Mazerra F’d it up, but now he’s gone and turned it into a pretty predictable, formulaic based deal and it’s startimg to wear thin.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Zook on November 13, 2017, 10:54:15 AM
I haven't watched the last two episodes but if one of the show's super hardcore fan, Mike Portnoy, tweets back to back tweets on the last two episodes that it's become an #AllOutBore, I think its time for me wait till the end of season/midseason to catch up on the show. 

He would know a thing or two about boring. He released Sons of Apollo afterall.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: soupytwist on November 14, 2017, 01:43:37 AM
Annoying arty directed style opening, macho/survival speeches and poorly directed gun fights.  That's pretty much season 8 so far!

*still mostly enjoying it though...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: nattmorker on November 14, 2017, 03:31:47 PM
I may be in the minority here but i've enjoyed this sea son. I've looking forward to each episode.

I didn't like the scene of the death of Shiva though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 14, 2017, 04:10:00 PM
I may be in the minority here but i've enjoyed this sea son. I've looking forward to each episode.

I don't dislike the show at all. I still enjoy watching it very much. I just happen to think it's about time to bring a fresh look to the creative side of the show. It feels like Gimple and co. are getting comfortable and that doesn't lend itself to good storytelling



I didn't like the scene of the death of Shiva though.


My gripe with Shiva's death is that it was kind of wasted. In the comic...Ezekiel is surrounded by literally hundreds of Walkers just about to get eaten alive and then Shiva comes to his rescue. Her death on the show felt pointless given the fact that Carol and Jerry had already gotten Ezekiel out of the muddy creek bed, up onto safe land where those walkers were not going to be able to get them. Shiva jumping down into the creek bed and killing a few walkers and then being overrun at that moment didn't have the same effect IMO given the 'King' was not in any real danger. I feel like they wasted a chance to make that really impactful, say in lieu of Jerry coming to the rescue of Ezekiel at the fence line it should have been Shiva. There were a lot more walkers and it was more dire than in the woods.




And....an example of the lazy writing that has been going on is the fact that you can't tell me Carol, Jerry and Ezekiel couldn't have found a working vehicle at that factory to get back to the kingdom in? There were 20-25 saviors at that location and they had to arrive in something and only (1) vehicle left. To have those three trouncing around on train tracks and in the woods when there absolutely would have been a vehicle available is just lazy writing. Kind of like 50 caliber machine gun bullets plinking off of the grill of that jeep Rick was driving. Those rounds are engineered to destroy vehicles and armor yet they were just tinking off that jeep  :lol  That jeep would have been ripped to shreds by that caliber of bullet. Again, in my eyes that's just lazy writing. They could have still made that a cool chase scene but they chose to chince out on it.

I've just become more critical as of late against the writing being the fact that AMC is hoarding the $$ this show is raking in rather than re-investing it in the show. Each episode still has the same miniscule $2.75 million dollar budget per episode...which it was reduced to from $3.4 million per in the first season. This show is a cash cow for them and instead of amping up the budget for effects, actors, writers....whatever to improve the show....they've kept it the same budget for 7 seasons. That lame approach ticks me off and is why I'm looking at this show more critically now as fare as effects, storytelling etc. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: nattmorker on November 16, 2017, 11:21:09 AM

And....an example of the lazy writing that has been going on is the fact that you can't tell me Carol, Jerry and Ezekiel couldn't have found a working vehicle at that factory to get back to the kingdom in? There were 20-25 saviors at that location and they had to arrive in something and only (1) vehicle left. To have those three trouncing around on train tracks and in the woods when there absolutely would have been a vehicle available is just lazy writing. Kind of like 50 caliber machine gun bullets plinking off of the grill of that jeep Rick was driving. Those rounds are engineered to destroy vehicles and armor yet they were just tinking off that jeep  :lol  That jeep would have been ripped to shreds by that caliber of bullet. Again, in my eyes that's just lazy writing. They could have still made that a cool chase scene but they chose to chince out on it.

I've just become more critical as of late against the writing being the fact that AMC is hoarding the $$ this show is raking in rather than re-investing it in the show. Each episode still has the same miniscule $2.75 million dollar budget per episode...which it was reduced to from $3.4 million per in the first season. This show is a cash cow for them and instead of amping up the budget for effects, actors, writers....whatever to improve the show....they've kept it the same budget for 7 seasons. That lame approach ticks me off and is why I'm looking at this show more critically now as fare as effects, storytelling etc.

I haven't thought about it in this way, you're right. They could make the show better with the profit it's making. I also agree about the lazy writing examples you're mentioning. I was just enjoying for what it is, without further expectations or considerations, but you're right.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 16, 2017, 12:37:20 PM
I was just enjoying for what it is, without further expectations or considerations

This has been how I've approached the show for the longest time. It's a zombie show. It's only been really this season that I've become more critical.....and that's in large part due to the fact that they are working on destroying a really cool story arc (all out war) from the comic. Thus far, this season has done nothing to do justice to what the comic pulled off. It's been a disappointment to me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Big Hath on November 16, 2017, 05:45:05 PM
Kind of like 50 caliber machine gun bullets plinking off of the grill of that jeep Rick was driving. Those rounds are engineered to destroy vehicles and armor yet they were just tinking off that jeep  :lol  That jeep would have been ripped to shreds by that caliber of bullet.

oh my this.  I actually laughed out loud when that took place.  They might as well have been shooting a BB gun at the jeep the way the bullets were just plinking off of it.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Zook on November 16, 2017, 06:22:35 PM
Kind of like 50 caliber machine gun bullets plinking off of the grill of that jeep Rick was driving. Those rounds are engineered to destroy vehicles and armor yet they were just tinking off that jeep  :lol  That jeep would have been ripped to shreds by that caliber of bullet.

oh my this.  I actually laughed out loud when that took place.  They might as well have been shooting a BB gun at the jeep the way the bullets were just plinking off of it.

That scene reminded me of The Marine with John Cena where he's chasing the bad guys and the car is getting riddled with bullets, but John isn't hit once and somehow the car can still operate just fine.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: soupytwist on November 20, 2017, 02:34:29 AM
Kind of like 50 caliber machine gun bullets plinking off of the grill of that jeep Rick was driving. Those rounds are engineered to destroy vehicles and armor yet they were just tinking off that jeep  :lol  That jeep would have been ripped to shreds by that caliber of bullet.

oh my this.  I actually laughed out loud when that took place.  They might as well have been shooting a BB gun at the jeep the way the bullets were just plinking off of it.

Like Star Trek shields one of the characters should just say "Rick the Plot Armour down to 12%!"

Anyway a new episode and YAY (sarcasm) Negan back, so his entire screen time was spent with him talking about his dick and balls...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 20, 2017, 08:25:24 AM
I liked the episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 20, 2017, 06:01:12 PM
I'm curious about the helicopter as there is no comic book connection there. Wondering if it's just something the junkyard crew has acquired or if it's a 'new' development.

I'm pretty sure Eugene is piecing it together that Dwight is the 'rat'. I'd assume that he will eventually help Dwight/Rick

I think they're trying to make it look like Gabriel was bitten and is now feverish but I'm thinking he's faking it to get to Maggie's doc

Wondering is Simon was the one who was in charge of the Sanctuary prior to Negan showing up? When Negan asked Simon if he was backsliding it was in the same tone as he would talk to Rick the first few times he visited after the head bashings? Maybe Simon was the man in charge who Negan said had everything jacked up.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: ariich on November 22, 2017, 01:55:51 PM
The Negan and Gabriel scenes were genuinely excellent. I don't remember anything of that quality in terms of character for absolutely ages in TWD. Just frustrating really, how rare these moments are.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 26, 2017, 10:41:46 PM
Ugh.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Metro on November 27, 2017, 10:00:43 AM
Yeaaaah I'm done with this show. It's become indefensibly bad and not worth watching.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 27, 2017, 10:16:36 AM
Yeaaaah I'm done with this show. It's become indefensibly bad and not worth watching.

I cannot believe how bad they’ve F’d up this show. I really can’t. These people are supposed to be ‘professional’ writers/producers etc. what in the wholey hell are they doing? The entire lot of them need to be cannned and a fresh new batch of creative direction needs to be hired. What we are watching now is a group of really comfortable people who are just ‘yes manning’ each other to death.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: ariich on November 27, 2017, 02:58:03 PM
Haven't seen the latest ep yet (we get it a day later in the UK) but what in particular about is so annoying? The show has been coasting for absolutely ages, so I'm interested to know what's pissing you chaps off so much...
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on November 27, 2017, 03:29:34 PM
Haven't seen the latest ep yet (we get it a day later in the UK) but what in particular about is so annoying? The show has been coasting for absolutely ages, so I'm interested to know what's pissing you chaps off so much...

What's bugging me is this story arc in the graphic novel is really, really good. Can't describe it other than it's just compelling and despite it being just pictures and words you're really invested in the characters/stories....it's just done really well. They've not executed the Negan from page to screen very well (not JDM's fault...he's done what he can and is still doing it well) to where Negan's character is nowhere as near as sinister and charismatic all at once like he is in the novel....and this 'all out war' they've shown thus far has been a major bore fest compared to the source material. I would have rather them just went page for page of this arc from the novel considering how cool it was. They even managed to jack up Shiva's death...could have been just as compelling as it was in the novel but they managed to eliminate any nuance of emotion from the story and had her sacrifice  herself when Ezekiel was not anywhere near any danger and by like 10 walkers.

The show at this point is clearly 'milking' the popularity of the show for $$. I'll be curious to see what you think of the episode but it was just simply bad. Poor writing....poor direction....I can and have forgiven bad episodes in the past but they are getting more frequent IMO....and as I've mentioned a couple times now I think it's due to the creative team driving the boat right now. A lot of 'safe' plays....predictable outcomes and generally exact opposite execution of things that originally got me hooked on the show. I think AMC needs to take a long hard look at the number of people dropping this show....it's pretty staggering at this point.....and realize they're a season, maybe two away from being all but finished unless they change it up on the creative side.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Zook on November 28, 2017, 02:29:15 AM
The episode was boring but nothing will be as bad as the well walker episode.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: soupytwist on November 28, 2017, 02:55:22 AM
The episode was boring but nothing will be as bad as the well walker episode.

That wasn't a great episode, but at least back then the characters still acted and talked like approximations of real people.  Now we've got the junkyard elves with their language that seems to have de-evolved over the course of 5(?) years,  'King' Ezekiel who is followed because he talks Shakespeare (and has a comedy Genghis Khan sidekick), and then there is Negan who is supposed to be menacing and charismatic but just seems like a buffoon with an obsession with talking about his dick (and balls).

The main characters still left are all about long silly motivation speeches, and constantly flip-floping on basic character traits, attitudes.  This season Jesus will be compassion guy, because last seasons compassion guy Morgan is this seasons angry guy etc....
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Bolsters on November 28, 2017, 03:36:10 AM
I think I'd rather watch that well episode every week now instead of watching the latest one.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: ariich on November 28, 2017, 04:56:39 AM
I've been aware for some time that one of the biggest issues with this show, for me, is the fact that I don't really care about any of the characters anymore, and don't really give a shit who dies or doesn't die.

And I've recently realised that a major factor in that is the fact that there's almost never even the slightest mention of characters who have previously died. Major characters get killed off, and there's a brief bit of mourning, and then everything moves on and their deaths are meaningless.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: OpenYourEyes311 on November 29, 2017, 09:23:25 AM
And I've recently realised that a major factor in that is the fact that there's almost never even the slightest mention of characters who have previously died. Major characters get killed off, and there's a brief bit of mourning, and then everything moves on and their deaths are meaningless.

Not sure where this realization comes from. They have mentioned Glenn probably every other episode since his death, with even getting a couple flashback shots. Abraham has had some mentions and even a complete flashback scene with Sasha last season. Rick has mentioned Shane in the past two seasons. He told Morales about Lori and Shane and Andrea. Hershel and Beth have been mentioned in recent episodes. Carl, just in this last episode, mentioned a lesson he learned from his mom. They're there, you just don't seem to be paying attention to them.

I, for one, don't mind the show at all. It's never been an amazing show, IMO. But it's still pretty good, and other than having a tiger on the show, I've never felt like it's jumped the shark. Honestly, it baffles me that people continuously complain about this show. If you don't like it, stop watching.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 04, 2017, 01:30:11 PM
There is supposed to be a 'major event' that happens on the mid season finale next week. Maybe they'll fire Scott Gimple and Gayle Ann Hurd 'live' on a commercial break. But if it's a major character death their teasing I hope it's truly a 'major' character death and not one of these second tier characters like Gabriel, Tara, Eugene or Rosita.

It's due time for a 'core' character to bite it. Maggie, Morgan, Daryl, Michonne....I'd even say Judith would be sufficient. They're not killing off Rick or Carl anytime soon and there are no savior characters bar Negan that are noteworthy enough to make the fuss they are making....and they aren't killing him off anytime soon either.

Would love to see Michonne get it or even Daryl....but there's no way they're killing Daryl off especially with the decline in ratings. They have to keep him around just for the people who watch the show to see him only.

Last episode was a step up from the previous week, although that wasn't tough to do. I like how they've changed Eugene's character from the comic from being essentially a prisoner of Negan's to a willing participant. I'm still perplexed at the Junkyard crew and why this is a story line but they're in too deep now with it so it's not going anywhere. Just a silly aspect of the story they are telling that IMO has a very slim chance of a good payoff story wise. Just a waste of effort and resources as far as production for the show and writers...etc.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Metro on December 04, 2017, 03:38:41 PM
The Spoiling Dead Fans have a theory of who dies next week. If it's true, it's the biggest plot twist in the show's history. I'm not gonna post it here, it's out there if you really wanna know.
These guys have never been wrong about spoilers in the past. If it turns out to be true, I'm glad I stopped watching.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 04, 2017, 05:49:27 PM
The Spoiling Dead Fans have a theory of who dies next week. If it's true, it's the biggest plot twist in the show's history. I'm not gonna post it here, it's out there if you really wanna know.
These guys have never been wrong about spoilers in the past. If it turns out to be true, I'm glad I stopped watching.

I’ve heard the speculation and if it does happen i hope it’s done well.

**edit spoilery comic related***

to add...that's not to disagree with you. Certainly that'd be a massive plot twist and deviation from the source material which I wouldn't mind if it's done well BUT given how vital a relationship Carl has with Negan in the comic it'd just blow up the story going forward. Maybe that's what they're wanting to do? They've already missed the mark on capturing comic Negan so maybe they know that and have something in mind? There was a point in time where I wouldn't have doubted Gimple given how he got the show back on track from the mess Mazerra left it in....but I think we've had several seasons now of 'the emperor's new clothes' concerning how he's been writing and leading the show. Time for a change and he's at the top of the list.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Grappler on December 05, 2017, 08:10:15 AM
I'm going to try and avoid the spoiler.  I spoiled the Season 7 premiere by reading that same page and it lessened the impact of that entire scene. 

As for this season, it started off really strong, but has just meandered through the last few episodes.  I do think stretching everything out into 16 episodes can hurt the story - especially after binging Game of Thrones this year and seeing how they pack so much into 10 episodes. 

I just watch the show for what it is and am tired of trying to wish for it (or any other show) to be better than I think it is. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 10, 2017, 09:36:18 PM
I’m pretty shocked they’re deviating that far off from the graphic novel by killing off Carl but in all honesty the actor Chandler Riggs is 18 now and been on that show literally half his life. I wouldn’t be surprised if their hands were forced a bit as I’m sure he’s ready to move on.

And, not a bad episode either.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Metro on December 10, 2017, 09:41:34 PM
Welp. Just another dumb decision in a long series of dumb decisions by this show. I don't feel any need to waste my time on this show anymore.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 10, 2017, 09:46:37 PM
Welp. Just another dumb decision in a long series of dumb decisions by this show. I don't feel any need to waste my time on this show anymore.

It’s certainly not top tier for me any longer. I’ll still watch because I like the genre in general but it’s fallen from a drop everything and watch to watch when I can. The show is in severe need for an overhaul creatively.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Grappler on December 11, 2017, 06:21:08 AM
That was a much better episode that kept the edge-of-the-seat feeling for 90 minutes straight after a few that seemed to just lolly-gag through an hour.  The Carl reveal completely shocked me.  I always thought of him to be one of the two characters that would always be there (Rick & Carl), but you can't fault the kid for wanting to go to college and work on other projects.  They set it up so that Carl's death must change Rick's mind about showing Negan mercy and being something more.

I actually had to go back and watch the scene with Carl and Siddiq in the woods again and Carl completely telegraphed it.  When he got up from the ground, he checked his midsection away from the camera and had a moment to himself where he seemed to accept what happened before speaking again.  Gimple confirmed that on Talking Dead, but said that fans didn't necessarily pick up on it - I certainly didn't.

Kudos to the show for doing something big and bold - this is second to killing off Daryl, since we know Rick isn't going anywhere.  The mid-season premiere is going to be really heavy.  Now we know whose grave Rick was standing over in the season premiere.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 11, 2017, 06:36:39 AM
Knowing what a major role Carl plays in the comic it’s tough to see how they replace that role....better yet l, who with? I just don’t see it happening which isnt necessarily a bad thing if they plan to deviate more and shift the two stories even greater. My only issue would be i don’t trust this current batch of creative drivers to do that very well.

I agree this was a pretty good episode. It’s too bad they half assed three of the eight episodes this half season cuz the others were pretty good.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Grappler on December 11, 2017, 09:08:32 AM
I just read an interview with Chandler Riggs, who said that killing Carl was entirely Gimple's idea.  Gimple saw a giant hole, since the comics doesn't really address how Rick goes from slitting Negan's throat to holding Negan in jail.  It's been two years since I read All Out War, so I don't really recall specifics, but I think I agree with that.  It seemed like Rick was just tired of the killing, and it was an easy way to keep Negan around for future stories.

So the show is just giving Rick more of a reason, other than one day just saying "ok, I'm done with killing," after being in this KILL KILL KILL mode since Terminus in season 5.  it doesn't make sense for him to just change how he feels on a dime, but losing Carl and having Carl's guidance will help that change..
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Progmetty on December 26, 2017, 07:58:15 PM
Finally got around to watching the finale!
If I had the patience I could probably sit down and write an article titled "The many times Negan could have gotten killed, but didn't" heh, seriously though! I think Negan has had more miraculous saves than anyone on the show including Rick! And Rick has been around since the start of the show!
I don't know how Carl is going to survive but I can wage a cool 10 bucks that he will. I think we have a Jon Snow type situation where the actor and the cast are gonna lie about it for a while and then they'll surprise us with his return. I would wage 50 but the bite is in a critical spot on his body AND the actor posted a picture showing he's cut his hair but they could have already filmed the scenes of his resolve and hair cut. The resolve of the bite, if true, could be a huge advancement of the overall plot of the apocalypse and I feel like they might make that step.
I'm not in denial since I never liked Carl nor the actor portraying him. I just don't see what the show is about anymore if he's dead, cause I was still going with "it's a father/son story set in the undead apocalypse" idea that's been thrown around by fans often.
As somebody here pointed out; I don't care at all about any character on the show anymore except for Rick Grimes who's probably maintaining his status with me solely based on the Andrew Lincoln's efforts, no thanks to the writing.
I wish the garbage people would go away and I wish eyebrow fat girl would die, otherwise I'm indifferent to the rest.
On the villains side I still like JDM's Negan and his right hand man, the Jack Nicholson type guy. Actually I like all of his lieutenants. Eugene's actor has been amazing, especially this season.   
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Progmetty on December 26, 2017, 08:07:56 PM
Also does anybody recall the last time Rick lost a hand-to-hand combat? I think it was with the governor right before Michonne killed him, it seems like Rick only loses to super villains :lol
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on December 26, 2017, 08:39:53 PM
Also does anybody recall the last time Rick lost a hand-to-hand combat? I think it was with the governor right before Michonne killed him, it seems like Rick only loses to super villains :lol

He doesn’t have a very good record that’s for sure. I like that they don’t make him this unbeatable dude though.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Zook on December 27, 2017, 02:17:01 AM
Eyebrow fat girl? You mean the lesbian character who is pregnant in real life and isn't even fat, but does have think eyebrows?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Progmetty on December 27, 2017, 08:56:50 AM
Yeah, that's exactly who I mean. I would have used the same words for description if it was a guy with the same features.
But she is too fat for her character arc, which has been mainly running, fighting and going through several food shortage periods. Her being pregnant in real life does nothing to explain her weight within the world of the show.
But also her acting is awful and the character's often forced sense of humor is a constant miss for me. Her arc has been too annoyingly redundant and that's something on TWD where a lot of characters have the same problem but none as boring as this one. She's easily the most forgettable character on the show, I never wonder where she is if we haven't seen her for a while.
The only time she was a little interesting for me is when she was in the governor's camp, when she struggled to buy into his attacking rhetoric. And I can't think how long ago that was..
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Grappler on December 27, 2017, 09:19:31 AM
Yeah, that's exactly who I mean. I would have used the same words for description if it was a guy with the same features.
But she is too fat for her character arc, which has been mainly running, fighting and going through several food shortage periods. Her being pregnant in real life does nothing to explain her weight within the world of the show.

If you're watching a show about a zombie apocalypse and expecting characters to have appropriate body types based on food supplies in order for the show to be realistic, you should find a new show to watch.

Comment away about someone's acting - that's fine by me.  But the show is fantasy, and in that fantasy world people can still have different body types and not wither away into nothingness.  What's she supposed to do?  Lose weight while being pregnant, which is detrimental to her baby, just for your enjoyment of a make-believe television show? 

Also, Alanna Masterson herself said the following last year:

https://www.eonline.com/news/812719/the-walking-dead-s-alanna-masterson-fires-back-at-body-shaming-trolls-your-mother-should-be-ashamed

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"Dear Instagram trolls, body shamers, and the men and woman who think it's ok to comment on my weight: I hope that you don't have children," Masterson wrote on Instagram Tuesday, alongside a photo of her little girl.

 "And if you do, I hope you teach them about kindness and acceptance," she added. "I hope they learn that it isn't ok to make fun of people or call people names. I hope one day YOU learn what it takes to be a parent. A kind, selfless parent. A working parent. A parent that puts themselves in someone else's shoes."

Masterson was in the second and third trimesters of her pregnancy while filming the previous sixth season in 2015. She had also called out body shamers on Twitter when she was eight months pregnant.

Her character was not pregnant and the actress dressed in loose-fitting shirts and heavy sweatshirts to hide her baby bump. Masterson has said in interviews she often brought and fed her daughter on set.

"Maybe you can't get it through your thick f--king skull, but nursing a baby for a year (and pumping in a van between takes, in the dead of summer in Georgia) is a lot of work, determination, and scheduling," she said on Instagram. "So before you decide to make a comment about my chest being 'too large' or how 'fat' I've become, just know that this little girl got the best start to life."

"I wouldn't have changed it for a second. I would've gladly continued to eat enough calories to produce milk for her little bones to grow," she added. "Also, grow the f--k up. Your mother should be ashamed for raising such a judgmental bully. I'm sure she knows how 'courageous' you must be for trolling and hiding behind your Iphone and computers."

Masterson's recent episode of The Walking Dead contained her character's most action-packed scenes.

"P.s. I would LOVE to see any man or woman give birth to a baby, nurse the baby, and then work 17 hour days and NAIL their own stunts," she wrote on Instagram. "P.s.s. Be kind to each other. We need it now more than ever."

Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Progmetty on December 27, 2017, 11:04:26 AM
Ok I wasn't aware of the controversy. So it looks like other people had the same remarks as me but I disagree with them directing it at the actress, not the character and I disagree with them on making it as though it's the actress fault. It's totally the producers and the show runners fault, they should have put her character on hiatus until she's good and ready to be back. Like they did with that black Alexandrian character with glasses when the actor needed to pursue other projects.

What's she supposed to do?  Lose weight while being pregnant, which is detrimental to her baby, just for your enjoyment of a make-believe television show? 

1. She's not supposed to do anything, it's the show runners responsibility.
2. I don't give a flying fuck about her pregnancy and I don't know why we're talking about it. It's like going to the circus and juggler is only juggling two apples and the audience member next to you in going "It's okay, I heard he has shoulder pain", how the fuck does that pertain to the experience I paid to see?
3. Again her personal issues and my enjoyment of a make-believe TV show should have nothing to do with each other, they shouldn't conflict or relate. Should children in Africa starve just so you can type your forum posts in bigger font? That makes about as much sense as her pregnancy relating to my enjoyment of the show.


Also, Alanna Masterson herself said the following last year:

https://www.eonline.com/news/812719/the-walking-dead-s-alanna-masterson-fires-back-at-body-shaming-trolls-your-mother-should-be-ashamed

Quote
"Dear Instagram trolls, body shamers, and the men and woman who think it's ok to comment on my weight: I hope that you don't have children," Masterson wrote on Instagram Tuesday, alongside a photo of her little girl.

 "And if you do, I hope you teach them about kindness and acceptance," she added. "I hope they learn that it isn't ok to make fun of people or call people names. I hope one day YOU learn what it takes to be a parent. A kind, selfless parent. A working parent. A parent that puts themselves in someone else's shoes."

Masterson was in the second and third trimesters of her pregnancy while filming the previous sixth season in 2015. She had also called out body shamers on Twitter when she was eight months pregnant.

Her character was not pregnant and the actress dressed in loose-fitting shirts and heavy sweatshirts to hide her baby bump. Masterson has said in interviews she often brought and fed her daughter on set.

"Maybe you can't get it through your thick f--king skull, but nursing a baby for a year (and pumping in a van between takes, in the dead of summer in Georgia) is a lot of work, determination, and scheduling," she said on Instagram. "So before you decide to make a comment about my chest being 'too large' or how 'fat' I've become, just know that this little girl got the best start to life."

"I wouldn't have changed it for a second. I would've gladly continued to eat enough calories to produce milk for her little bones to grow," she added. "Also, grow the f--k up. Your mother should be ashamed for raising such a judgmental bully. I'm sure she knows how 'courageous' you must be for trolling and hiding behind your Iphone and computers."

Masterson's recent episode of The Walking Dead contained her character's most action-packed scenes.

"P.s. I would LOVE to see any man or woman give birth to a baby, nurse the baby, and then work 17 hour days and NAIL their own stunts," she wrote on Instagram. "P.s.s. Be kind to each other. We need it now more than ever."

Here's what I see, not only did these dimwitted fans make the problem about the actress, when it should be about the character and the show runners, but they also allowed her to make this a body shamming issue and bullying issue, which in a million fucking years I wouldn't have thought it would be.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Zook on December 28, 2017, 10:29:16 AM
People were complaining about the size of her boobs while I was admiring them.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: soupytwist on January 15, 2018, 03:53:57 AM
So Gimble is being 'moved' to overseeing the entire Walking Dead TV franchise and Season 9's new showrunner is Angela Kang.
To be honest Gimble needed to go, I don't know whether he's burnt out and lost his spark - but the show has been on a downward spiral to a couple of seasons.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: ariich on January 15, 2018, 05:55:12 AM
But will he really be gone if he's overseeing the overall franchise?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on January 15, 2018, 06:32:03 AM
So Gimble is being 'moved' to overseeing the entire Walking Dead TV franchise and Season 9's new showrunner is Angela Kang.
To be honest Gimble needed to go, I don't know whether he's burnt out and lost his spark - but the show has been on a downward spiral to a couple of seasons.

Agree. At first he was a Saviour of sorts getting the show back on track after Mazzera went off the rails. But somewhere around the 90 minute Morgan-centric episode he started to lose it as well and has never recovered. He completely botched Negan and the All out War arc.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Metro on February 20, 2018, 07:22:30 PM
Doesn't look like Lauren Cohan(Maggie) will be returning for Season 9. I'm sure it's too late to kill her off this season, so I suspect her character will probably die offscreen between seasons.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/walking-dead-star-lauren-cohan-season-9-contract-books-lead-abc-pilot-1086628
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: faizoff on February 20, 2018, 07:50:35 PM
Funny how I started this thread feeling a little excited at the beginning yet abandoned the show two episodes into the season. I don't really have any motivation to go back and rewatch at the moment. I think when a show has an indefinite end goal, unless you work towards something it just gets milked over and over again.

Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 20, 2018, 09:47:58 PM
Doesn't look like Lauren Cohan(Maggie) will be returning for Season 9. I'm sure it's too late to kill her off this season, so I suspect her character will probably die offscreen between seasons.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/walking-dead-star-lauren-cohan-season-9-contract-books-lead-abc-pilot-1086628

Good. Maggie’s a horrible character anyway.


Funny how I started this thread feeling a little excited at the beginning yet abandoned the show two episodes into the season. I don't really have any motivation to go back and rewatch at the moment. I think when a show has an indefinite end goal, unless you work towards something it just gets milked over and over again.


I still watch, just with lowered expectations. I like zombie and apocalyptic movies, no matter how bad they are. This show isn’t all that bad when you realize it’ll never get back to Frank Darabont level good again.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: faizoff on February 21, 2018, 07:06:04 AM
I think if after 8 seasons of a show, regardless of genre, it only gets worse in terms of storytelling and meanders with no ascertainable or intriguing plot I would rather spend my time watching a ton of the other good shows out there. But that's just me.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 21, 2018, 07:58:01 AM
I think if after 8 seasons of a show, regardless of genre, it only gets worse in terms of storytelling and meanders with no ascertainable or intriguing plot I would rather spend my time watching a ton of the other good shows out there. But that's just me.

It would behoove them, if they want to change the momentum.....to work an 'end goal' into the story. I think the comic works with the Rick vs 'insert bad guys' because there's more freedom to tell the story in that medium. The Rick vs 'insert bad guy' cycle on the show has worn it's welcome out. It's just a tired...lazy way of going on with the show. Perhaps the new show runner will have a fresh take on things in season 9?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: BlackInk on February 21, 2018, 08:40:49 AM
The biggest headline about this show I've seen in the past few week is "Walking Dead to Finally Feature a Fully Nude Walker". Feels like I jumped ship before things got interesting.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: TioJorge on February 23, 2018, 11:03:36 AM
I was literally just about to post this, it's so fucking stupid.  :rollin Yeah, I've sadly not given a crap about or watched the show for the past season and a half. It's just gone so far away from it's original core and goal. Quite obviously just succumbed to corporate greed and is being milked dry regardless of writing crew/talent. Then when I heard Carl gets the axe, that's it. He's my favorite reason to keep reading the comics. There's just little reason to watch it anymore with so many other great shows out. I have no doubt though I'll finish up the series one day when I have literally nothing else to do or watch. So there's that.  :lol
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 23, 2018, 11:25:25 AM
It's just gone so far away from it's original core and goal. Quite obviously just succumbed to corporate greed and is being milked dry regardless of writing crew/talent.

that's the disappointing thing, the source material is solid and 'should' give them such a good base to create the TV show. They just continually miss the mark....to the point of it's unforgivable now. There's really no excuse for them to have jacked up this 'All Out War' arc....but they have.

The fact that they insist on having (16) Episodes a season when we all know 5 or 6 of them are just straight filler speaks to the Greed part. GOT and other shows have demonstrated that well written and thought out shows can be super successful with a (10) episode season, which I think is the only thing that could possibly save TWD.

But, I was pleasantly surprised by Season 3 of FTWD and thought it was really good actually. I'm curious to see if they can keep that momentum going. But as far as TWD...like you mentioned Tio.....there is just SO much great content out there right not TWD is far behind in the pack.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 26, 2018, 06:31:50 AM
Yawn on the Carl death episode. I can’t imagine the second half of this season does anything to salvage it.

The only real interesting thing was the revelation that the ‘old man Rick’ flashes were Carl’s vision for the future....and that Carl basically made Rick promise him he’d try to make it all work.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Chino on February 28, 2018, 10:32:24 AM
Yawn on the Carl death episode. I can’t imagine the second half of this season does anything to salvage it.

The only real interesting thing was the revelation that the ‘old man Rick’ flashes were Carl’s vision for the future....and that Carl basically made Rick promise him he’d try to make it all work.

I stopped watching/caring about this show since season 7's midseason break. I've tried to avoid spoilers in the event I revisit it one day, but after a year now, I've just drifted farther from caring. So in light of that and not worrying about spoilers anymore... Did they really kill Carl?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Grappler on February 28, 2018, 10:37:24 AM
Yawn on the Carl death episode. I can’t imagine the second half of this season does anything to salvage it.

The only real interesting thing was the revelation that the ‘old man Rick’ flashes were Carl’s vision for the future....and that Carl basically made Rick promise him he’d try to make it all work.

I stopped watching/caring about this show since season 7's midseason break. I've tried to avoid spoilers in the event I revisit it one day, but after a year now, I've just drifted farther from caring. So in light of that and not worrying about spoilers anymore... Did they really kill Carl?

Yup.  I thought it was rather boring though.  Great acting from Chandler Riggs, but he really didn't do much convincing to try and change Rick's mind.  Hopefully it was just a seed that was planted and we get to see Rick struggle with his choices, rather than walking away from this with a 100% conviction to kill or spare the Saviors.

I applaud the show for doing something crazy and drastic with a main character again.  Weird to think that only three characters are left from the original group in Atlanta.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Chino on February 28, 2018, 10:39:01 AM
Yawn on the Carl death episode. I can’t imagine the second half of this season does anything to salvage it.

The only real interesting thing was the revelation that the ‘old man Rick’ flashes were Carl’s vision for the future....and that Carl basically made Rick promise him he’d try to make it all work.

I stopped watching/caring about this show since season 7's midseason break. I've tried to avoid spoilers in the event I revisit it one day, but after a year now, I've just drifted farther from caring. So in light of that and not worrying about spoilers anymore... Did they really kill Carl?

Yup.  I thought it was rather boring though.  Great acting from Chandler Riggs, but he really didn't do much convincing to try and change Rick's mind.  Hopefully it was just a seed that was planted and we get to see Rick struggle with his choices, rather than walking away from this with a 100% conviction to kill or spare the Saviors.

I applaud the show for doing something crazy and drastic with a main character again.  Weird to think that only three characters are left from the original group in Atlanta.

Damn. Wouldn't have suspected that. Was Carl bitten or was did he go the way of Glenn and Abraham? If he was bitten, did we get to see him turn/Rick put him down?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Grappler on February 28, 2018, 10:54:54 AM
Damn. Wouldn't have suspected that. Was Carl bitten or was did he go the way of Glenn and Abraham? If he was bitten, did we get to see him turn/Rick put him down?

Bitten, and no.  He shot himself off-screen and you just see Rick & Michonne's reactions.  Carl didn't want the experience to change Rick, or put him through that experience, like it did when he had to shoot his own mom.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Chino on February 28, 2018, 11:01:26 AM
Damn. Wouldn't have suspected that. Was Carl bitten or was did he go the way of Glenn and Abraham? If he was bitten, did we get to see him turn/Rick put him down?

Bitten, and no.  He shot himself off-screen and you just see Rick & Michonne's reactions.  Carl didn't want the experience to change Rick, or put him through that experience, like it did when he had to shoot his own mom.

Sounds really cheesy and anticlimactic. What a wasted opportunity. Did he at least get bitten while doing something heroic like saving Judith from whoever the current enemy is?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Grappler on February 28, 2018, 12:17:50 PM
Damn. Wouldn't have suspected that. Was Carl bitten or was did he go the way of Glenn and Abraham? If he was bitten, did we get to see him turn/Rick put him down?

Bitten, and no.  He shot himself off-screen and you just see Rick & Michonne's reactions.  Carl didn't want the experience to change Rick, or put him through that experience, like it did when he had to shoot his own mom.

Sounds really cheesy and anticlimactic. What a wasted opportunity. Did he at least get bitten while doing something heroic like saving Judith from whoever the current enemy is?

He was saving a stranger that he and Rick had encountered previously.  It was to prove a point.  Rick wanted to kill him, I believe, and Carl's newfound belief is that you can't kill everyone - some people are still good, even if they are being led by bad people.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Chino on February 28, 2018, 12:49:46 PM
Damn. Wouldn't have suspected that. Was Carl bitten or was did he go the way of Glenn and Abraham? If he was bitten, did we get to see him turn/Rick put him down?

Bitten, and no.  He shot himself off-screen and you just see Rick & Michonne's reactions.  Carl didn't want the experience to change Rick, or put him through that experience, like it did when he had to shoot his own mom.

Sounds really cheesy and anticlimactic. What a wasted opportunity. Did he at least get bitten while doing something heroic like saving Judith from whoever the current enemy is?

He was saving a stranger that he and Rick had encountered previously.  It was to prove a point.  Rick wanted to kill him, I believe, and Carl's newfound belief is that you can't kill everyone - some people are still good, even if they are being led by bad people.

Lame
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on February 28, 2018, 12:53:45 PM
Damn. Wouldn't have suspected that. Was Carl bitten or was did he go the way of Glenn and Abraham? If he was bitten, did we get to see him turn/Rick put him down?

Bitten, and no.  He shot himself off-screen and you just see Rick & Michonne's reactions.  Carl didn't want the experience to change Rick, or put him through that experience, like it did when he had to shoot his own mom.

Sounds really cheesy and anticlimactic. What a wasted opportunity. Did he at least get bitten while doing something heroic like saving Judith from whoever the current enemy is?

He was saving a stranger that he and Rick had encountered previously.  It was to prove a point.  Rick wanted to kill him, I believe, and Carl's newfound belief is that you can't kill everyone - some people are still good, even if they are being led by bad people.

Yeah....the 'story' as Gimple explains it is that they needed a reason for Rick to spare Negan's life at the end of the season rather than kill him like he's been insisting he's going to do at every chance he can. Carl sees a future where everyone can get along and work towards a better society....so while he's on his death bed Rick promises Carl he will make it happen.


From what I can gather from the internetz is that Chandler Riggs was told he was still a major part of the story line going forward. He was closing in on 18 so he bought a house in Atlanta....then, suddenly they write him out of the show. Rumor on the web is that being he was approaching 18 he wanted to re-negotiate his contract from what he was making as a 'child' actor and get full blown Norman Reedus/Andrew Lincoln type payday. So, instead of a drawn out fight they just killed his character off. Who really knows but killing his character off now was retarded....especially since some of the best scenes in the show have been between Carl and Negan....and the story going forward in the comic had those two become VERY close and have a weird..close relationship.

As I mentioned, I like this type of genre so I'll watch no matter what. But it's just not 'must see' for me anymore. There is so much great content available now between all the different services TWD simply cannot compete with them right now. AMC really jacked that show up and I think we all know it was due to greed. From (still) not increasing the budget per episode (been the same since they cut it after season 1) to poor casting choices for characters....to poor writing in trying to portray those characters....it's just been a nightmare for a while. the (16) episode seasons are brutal as well since we all know 4 of them at minimum are filler merely for advertisement $$$.

I hope the fact that they've now removed Gimple and added the new chic that maybe she can work some magic in season 9. Could salvage the show with the whole Whisperers and that storyline
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: soupytwist on March 02, 2018, 05:49:07 AM

Yeah....the 'story' as Gimple explains it is that they needed a reason for Rick to spare Negan's life at the end of the season rather than kill him

I really hope they don't keep Negan alive.  The character maybe have worked in comic book form, but he's awful (and ratings poison) on the show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Chino on March 02, 2018, 06:03:31 AM

Yeah....the 'story' as Gimple explains it is that they needed a reason for Rick to spare Negan's life at the end of the season rather than kill him

I really hope they don't keep Negan alive.  The character maybe have worked in comic book form, but he's awful (and ratings poison) on the show.

His arc was the main reason I stopped watching. I was already getting tired of the ridiculous cliff hangers (glenn under the dumpster), but his character just did nothing for me and almost became a chore to watch. Don't get me wrong, I think the dude playing the character was nailing it, I just hated the character. Nothing about him was believable or interesting. The governor actually intrigued me and came off like a broken human being. Negan is just a dick.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 02, 2018, 06:32:04 AM

Yeah....the 'story' as Gimple explains it is that they needed a reason for Rick to spare Negan's life at the end of the season rather than kill him

I really hope they don't keep Negan alive.  The character maybe have worked in comic book form, but he's awful (and ratings poison) on the show.

His arc was the main reason I stopped watching. I was already getting tired of the ridiculous cliff hangers (glenn under the dumpster), but his character just did nothing for me and almost became a chore to watch. Don't get me wrong, I think the dude playing the character was nailing it, I just hated the character. Nothing about him was believable or interesting. The governor actually intrigued me and came off like a broken human being. Negan is just a dick.

Total swing and miss as far as translating a character from the page to the screen. I thought his introductory scene with the Glenn/Abraham deaths was awesome....downhill from there. Actually, it all started with them cliff hanging those deaths between seasons. Huge mistake IMO. They should have ended the season with that scene. I think that ticked of a bunch of people and removed any ‘slack’ they’d been giving the show.

But I think its a foregone conclusion that Rick will spare Negan’s life. The multiple instances of them showing both Rick telling Negan he’s going to kill him interspliced with Rick....all beat up, crying and bloody saying his mercy has overcome his wrath....a line that the dude who Carl saved that got Carl killed has said.....on top of the fact that Carl’s dying wish was for everyone to live happily ever after. They aren’t killing Negan.

As I mentioned, the only hope for this show is that AMC gets out of the way of it because I have no doubt that 90% of it’s issues are the brass. Maybe the new chick show runner can get it back on track?
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: ariich on March 08, 2018, 07:21:23 AM
So I've finally given up on the show. Was part way through the mid-season premiere, and just really couldn't be bothered anymore. Such a shame that a show that had some great stretches in the past has just become so tedious.

Might follow this thread from time to time just to keep up with what's happening, but not going to bother watching anymore - too many better things to watch and not enough time to even keep up with those!
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on March 08, 2018, 08:45:13 AM
So I've finally given up on the show. Was part way through the mid-season premiere, and just really couldn't be bothered anymore. Such a shame that a show that had some great stretches in the past has just become so tedious.

Might follow this thread from time to time just to keep up with what's happening, but not going to bother watching anymore - too many better things to watch and not enough time to even keep up with those!

If it helps this past episode was better. But I agree, there is just SO much good content out there between all the streaming services TWD has fallen way behind as far as 'must see'. I'll typically still watch it on sunday night sometime....but the 'must see' aspect and feeling towards the show has dwindled. It really needs a major boost and overhaul....I'm hoping the new show runner breathes some life into season 9.


Now what I was impressed with was Season 3 of Fear The Walking Dead. First two seasons were so disjointed and erratic I went into season three with the mindset of giving it an episode or two to regain my loyalty, and it did. It was a really well done season with a pretty cool storyline.....which has me anticipating season 4 with an anticipation I 'used' to have for TWD.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on April 08, 2018, 10:33:53 PM
Honestly the last four epidoses of the show have been pretty good. Gives me a glimmer of hope for season 9, especially being that Gimple has been replaced. Curious as to how the finale pans out next week.

Looking forward to the fourth season of Fear. It looks like it’s gonna be pretty good.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2018, 06:43:15 AM
Just wanted to say if anyone gave up on Fear the Walking Dead ..... I’d recommend starting back up. Just start at season three then continue watching.

Last season and now the (4) episodes this season have been pretty dang good. Totally different show than what season 1 and 2 were.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Grappler on May 07, 2018, 07:37:14 AM
I completely love the start of season 4.  It's like Fear the Walking Dead sucked all of the suspense from the main show and then some. 

I thought JDM kicked ass as Negan, but there was very little suspense with the exception of the Eeny Meenie Miney Moe scene.  I never felt like any of the characters were in danger at all, either from humans or walkers.  Very few major casualties during firefights and a big anti-climactic "Eugene saves the day" at the end for the heroes. 

Compare that to last night's Fear episode at the water park - when the characters slid down the waterside with the pile of zombies stuck in the middle of the bowl, I really felt the tension, thinking that they could get bitten any time during that scene. 

Playing with the timelines makes for very compelling storytelling, and I'm already wondering where Madison is in the current timeline. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2018, 07:39:55 AM
Playing with the timelines makes for very compelling storytelling, and I'm already wondering where Madison is in the current timeline.

I think she's dead. I think that's why Nick was so dead set on killing that guy last week. I think things go south at the ballfield....she gets killed and those four head out for revenge.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Grappler on May 07, 2018, 07:43:10 AM
Playing with the timelines makes for very compelling storytelling, and I'm already wondering where Madison is in the current timeline.

I think she's dead. I think that's why Nick was so dead set on killing that guy last week. I think things go south at the ballfield....she gets killed and those four head out for revenge.

That was my thought too, though I hope it's not.  If so, this show has major balls to kill off nearly every one of the family members from the pilot.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 07, 2018, 07:50:03 AM
Playing with the timelines makes for very compelling storytelling, and I'm already wondering where Madison is in the current timeline.

I think she's dead. I think that's why Nick was so dead set on killing that guy last week. I think things go south at the ballfield....she gets killed and those four head out for revenge.

That was my thought too, though I hope it's not.  If so, this show has major balls to kill off nearly every one of the family members from the pilot.

I honestly think that's what they're gonna do. I think bringing in Garret Dillahunt to play John was a set up for a long lasting cast member to carry the show......crossing over Morgan keeps attention.....I think they'll keep Alicia alive because she's a cool character, probably Strand for a bit.

But all in all it wouldn't surprise me if FTWD's 'move' going forward is to not keep a 'main' cast around for a while......just introduce and cycle through them. The story thus far since the beginning of season three has been fantastic with that approach
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Zoom E on May 07, 2018, 11:46:03 AM
Playing with the timelines makes for very compelling storytelling, and I'm already wondering where Madison is in the current timeline.

I think she's dead. I think that's why Nick was so dead set on killing that guy last week. I think things go south at the ballfield....she gets killed and those four head out for revenge.

I was initally thinking Madison might be dead, but now I think it’s possible that group is holding her captive and the reason they’re desperately trying to find the group is to rescue Madison.

That was my thought too, though I hope it's not.  If so, this show has major balls to kill off nearly every one of the family members from the pilot.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Metro on May 29, 2018, 07:20:22 PM
And there's the final nail in the coffin.

https://collider.com/andrew-lincoln-leaving-walking-dead-season-9/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on May 29, 2018, 07:30:19 PM
And there's the final nail in the coffin.

https://collider.com/andrew-lincoln-leaving-walking-dead-season-9/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social

Yep. You could feel it coming. This is pure speculation but I think what they did to Chandler Riggs ticked him off. They screwed that kid over big time to save a couple bucks on his contract. Lincoln said all the right things but I had a suspicion he was gonna leave the show. I mean, he has to be getting bored doing that same tole AND tired of seeing his costars who leave the show get killer roles.

FTWD is a better show right now anyway.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on June 04, 2018, 07:55:15 AM
Lauren Cohen to leave after 6 Episodes as well in season 9. I can't imagine this show goes past season 10. I know they're bumping Norman Reedus to the 'lead' and they just re-negotiated him to a $20 million pay raise.....but unless they dramatically alter the way they are telling that story....TWD is done.


Fear the Walking Dead in the meantime is freaking great. Skip the first two seasons and just start with season 3 and you'll be fine and really enjoy the show.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 22, 2018, 08:57:15 AM
The Comic Con extended trailer actually looked pretty good to me. I know it’s a trailer and they’re selling the best moments they’ve shot thus far......but I like the addition of some new characters and the way they’re suggesting the storyline may unfold.

I think the show is all but done.....BUT....with this new show runner and them jumping in time a bit it gives them a chance to ‘reboot’ so to speak. FTWD succeeded in a solid reboot. If they can get a clear picture of what they want to do I don’t see why TWD couldn’t either.
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: Grappler on July 24, 2018, 08:12:27 AM
The trailer looked cool, though I totally missed the Whisperers tease at the very end of it when I watched it at first.  I had to listen with headphones and really focus on the audio - buried in the sound of the horde are voices saying "where are they?"  That was really spooky.  I think they have a chance to build up a better enemy than the Saviors, since the Whispers are incredibly creepy.

I'll definitely watch since it's Andrew Lincoln's last season (he stated at Comic Con that he wished it was kept under wraps and not spoiled, so it would unfold in the story - which I agree with fully).  I read some theories that they could try and end the series on this season, which I think would be appropriate. 
Title: Re: The Walking Dead - Season 8 (spoilers)
Post by: gmillerdrake on July 24, 2018, 08:24:48 AM
The trailer looked cool, though I totally missed the Whisperers tease at the very end of it when I watched it at first.  I had to listen with headphones and really focus on the audio - buried in the sound of the horde are voices saying "where are they?"  That was really spooky.  I think they have a chance to build up a better enemy than the Saviors, since the Whispers are incredibly creepy.

I'll definitely watch since it's Andrew Lincoln's last season (he stated at Comic Con that he wished it was kept under wraps and not spoiled, so it would unfold in the story - which I agree with fully).  I read some theories that they could try and end the series on this season, which I think would be appropriate.

I'll agree that the Whisperers give they great potential for a really 'neat' and new enemy.....but given their track record of F'n up story lines and characters I'm cautiously optimistic. I do like the fact that the new Show Runner has a solid history of writing good episodes and that she gets pretty much a 'clean slate' to start from by incorporating the time jump from the comic. I'll watch the show until the day it's no longer on because I like zombie stuff.....but it has dropped in quality the past few seasons. Here's to hoping it finds a second wind.