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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: Dave_Manchester on September 29, 2017, 03:29:18 PM
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There's a vaguely off-topic strand of posts threatening to develop in the Sons of Apollo thread (where else?) so I figured I'd give it its own home. The question is simple: in this day and age of easy access to music streaming, for which bands do you still shell out for their physical media (CD, vinyl, Blu Rays, whatever), even if you haven't heard a note of their new work? Mine are:
Dream Theater
Mark Knopfler
Godspeed You Black Emperor
Cradle of Filth
Children of Bodom
William Basinski
Yours?
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Physical media?
Steven Wilson
Devin Townsend
Neal Morse
Dream Theater
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If I find an artist worth listening to, I will ALWAYS buy the physical media. Technology keeps changing. Although it is easy to stream now, that may not always be the case, and music I may want to listen to might not be available for whatever reason. So, that being said, the list for me is virtually unlimited. If I like the artist, I buy the disk.
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I'm very old school. The answer is all.
I only buy digital if the artist does not release a physical copy or the cost to import one from Europe/Japan is too much. I will first seek out uncompressed digital via Bandcamp, their own site, or HD Tracks. If all else fails, I use my Google Opinion Rewards to buy the digital from the Play store.
I drive my wife nuts with the multiple UPS/USPS deliveries of my music. I have actually run out of space to store them. I have stacks of discs with nowhere to put them. That drives her nuts too. I probably have close to 2000 CD's in my living room alone.
EDIT: Not to mention that, lately, physical has a tendency to be cheaper than the digital which makes it sweeter for me.
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I kinda posted a summary of my list in that thread, as one of the people who helped get it off track. But I still buy CDs pretty often. I rip them to FLAC and store them to my external HD that I stream around my place. I also have a Google Play subscription (recently switched from Spotify), so it might seem somewhat redundant for some, but I enjoy my way of doing things. Anyway off the top of my head:
Mastodon
Pearl Jam
Alice in Chains
Brad Mehldau
Joshua Redman
Fly (jazz trio)
Between the Buried and Me (although another Coma Ecliptic might relegate them to a band I love, but no longer buy physical copies of)
Soundgarden ( ... )
Insomnium
Tool (lol)
David Gilmour
311
Faith No More
Dave Matthews Band
ef
RHCP
John Butler Trio
Metallica (I look forward to buying their next album in 2029)
This doesn't include bands that are defunct that would be insta buys if they ever released anything. I realize Soundgarden isn't exactly gonna push on without Cornell, but I'd be surprised if they don't have some sort of anthology they'll be releasing at some point. For those bands that are defunct:
Pink Floyd (obviously)
Nick Drake (I think it's safe to say he's not putting a new album, but you never know, maybe he faked his death 45 years ago)
The Mars Volta (although I found their last album to be one of the most forgettable albums I own, they might've fallen off this list, especially since I haven't bought anything they've released together under the different band names)
And I'm sure I'm missing a ton
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Alter Bridge
Tremonti
Myles Kennedy (when he finally gets that solo album out)
Dream Theater
Iron Maiden
Maybes, depending on the singles or songs released before the album is out
Black Stone Cherry
Breaking Benjamin
I do enjoy that feeling of heading to a store like Best Buy, look under "New Releases," to see if an album I know I'm going to love from one of my favorite band is there and then buy it on day one of the release. It's like a sense of euphoria that I cannot describe.
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I have made a shift to digital because I just don't use CDs. However, I like owning my music and tagging it the way I want, etc, so I buy mp3s vs streaming.
That being said, there are still bands that fit Dave's criteria for me, where I want to have the cd and will buy it without hearing it:
Dream Theater
Katatonia
Leprous
Rush (should they ever release a new album)
Riverside
Arcturus
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I dislike buying digital media in any form so even though I use Spotify a LOT (my main method of checking out new artists and new releases), I still buy a crapload of CDs. Pretty much any CD I find on Spotify that I really like, I end up buying, so I have a backlog of lots of artists both familiar and not that I need to catch up on, if only funds permitted. But, there are several bands I'll buy music from without needing to hear a single note:
Stratovarius
Toto
Sonata Arctica
Rhapsody (of Fire; Luca Turilli's)
Dream Theater
Kamelot
Opeth
Power Quest
Avantasia
Edguy
Blind Guardian
Dragonforce
Iced Earth
Helloween
Explosions In The Sky
God Is An Astronaut
Plenty of others...
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And by the way, it's "Bands that..." Not "Bands which..."
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I don't buy CDs like I used to, that's just a fact. However there's actually a few bands I always support and buy no matter what.
Ayreon
Soilwork
Meshuggah
Opeth
Dimmu Borgir
Evergrey
Toto
It's a bit of an eclectic list but those bands have made a special connection once in my life and I support them for various reasons.
Sidenote: Funny enough, i've actually haven't bought a Maiden CD since Dance Of Death even though the band is very very important to me.
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And by the way, it's "Bands that..." Not "Bands which..."
No it isn't, because the sentence would still make sense without the clause the relative pronoun ('which' here) connects. "Bands which are still automatic buys for you" is a grammatically perfect sentence, and so 'which' is used.
Bizarre interlude, not sure why you felt the need to make it quite honestly. The entire reason for my making this thread is your apparent dislike of threads being taken off topic.
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I'm always at least gonna check out the single(s) for a new album before buying, both my time and money are too valuable to waste on mediocre stuff
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Rush...R.I.P
DT
Maybe Living Colour simply because they often sign items after a show.
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As of now?
Kaki King
Dredg (although I don't expect another album from them)
Michael Kelsey
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There aren’t many anymore.
DT
Alter Bridge (and related projects)
Metallica
And probably some other bands but nothing set in stone beyond that without hearing something first. I still buy a lot of physical media, but there are very few auto buys for me anymore. Spotify, among other things, is a great tool to discern whether or not an album is worth the $12 or $13.
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Less and less as time goes on, but if i think about it probably still quite a few.
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Everything I want to listen to will be bought as physical CDs.
Automatic buys are too many to mention but I will not automariclly buy a CD of a new band just because a favorite musiscian is on it. In example Sons of Apollo, I will listen to the singles. If they are good enough I will preorder (not SOA) and if not I will listen on Spotify when the album comes out and decide if it is worth having.
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Dream Theater, mostly for the completionist in me. Usually buy the most extreme special edition too haha.
Meshuggah, because they are my favorite band plus I like the box sets they do for their albums.
Iron Maiden and Metallica. For maiden it's about the covers so I always buy the LP as well.
Bands that I'm friends with I usually buy CD's of as well.
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No band is an automatic physical buy, unless I like the album.
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Less and less these days. DT used to be, but after TA... I'll be sampling first. As for CD auto-buy
Arjen Lucassen
Evergrey
Flaming Row
Epysode
Avantasia
Vanden Plas
Probably others, but that's all I can think of off the top of my head.
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If there's an album that I really dig a lot, no way I'm just happy with Spotify, I just have to buy the physical album.
If we talk about automatic, blind purchases, based on faith and the band never letting me down, I'd count:
Iron Maiden
Dream Theater
Blind Guardian
Avantasia
Elvenking
With Maiden's Book of Souls and DT's Astonishing I made a point to completely avoid every kind of trailer, teaser or single, and went straight for the album on release date. I wanted a full, untainted experience and that's what I got. With other bands I know already I'm gonna buy the album no matter what, but first I allow myself to listen to the trailers and singles.
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Dream Theater
Neal Morse
Steven Wilson
Alter Bridge
Guess these are the only "Instant buys without having heard a single note" for me.
Physical copy or digital depends.... I like getting the CDs, but for reasons already mentioned by ProfessorPeart (running out of room and the wife not being happy about it) I am slowly drifting more and more towards digital. But even then I am buying the rather than streaming.
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Iron Maiden
Dream Theater
Radiohead
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Dream Theater
Opeth
Steven Wilson
Mastodon
Riverside
Fates Warning
Animals As Leaders
Haken (after seeing them live and realizing I have all their stuff anyway)
*these are bands WHICH are auto-physical buys. I would never question your grammar, Dave. I mean, you're English, so I assume you have a better grasp on the language than everyone else! :tup
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Alter Bridge
Sevendust
Fates Warning
Mastodon
Iron Maiden
Alice in Chains
Living Colour
Extreme
Iced Earth
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Dredg (although I don't expect another album from them)
patience.
It's not a matter of if, but just when.
https://randombadassery.fireside.fm/16
"Yeah, I think now we're writing throughout the end of the year and probably all the way till spring, where we'll release it next summer or next fall, but we'll maybe start touring spring next year."
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No band is an automatic physical buy, unless I like the album.
Yeah, i'm in the same boat. Even the bands i really respect and enjoy, have albums that i have no intentions of buying..
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Dredg (although I don't expect another album from them)
patience.
It's not a matter of if, but just when.
https://randombadassery.fireside.fm/16
"Yeah, I think now we're writing throughout the end of the year and probably all the way till spring, where we'll release it next summer or next fall, but we'll maybe start touring spring next year."
If this happens, I'll be so fucking happy
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In my opinion you don't own the album unless you have (and actually play) a physical copy of it, whether CD or vinyl. People can easily set aside time to watch a film, a TV show, or read a book, so that time can be just as easily set aside to embark on the movie/novel for the ears that is The Album.
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I'm very old school. The answer is all.
I only buy digital if the artist does not release a physical copy or the cost to import one from Europe/Japan is too much. I will first seek out uncompressed digital via Bandcamp, their own site, or HD Tracks. If all else fails, I use my Google Opinion Rewards to buy the digital from the Play store.
I drive my wife nuts with the multiple UPS/USPS deliveries of my music. I have actually run out of space to store them. I have stacks of discs with nowhere to put them. That drives her nuts too. I probably have close to 2000 CD's in my living room alone.
EDIT: Not to mention that, lately, physical has a tendency to be cheaper than the digital which makes it sweeter for me.
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I don't even buy digital. Don't consider it a very valuable experience so I wouldn't ever pay for it.
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Well if i really like an album i buy it myself.
Automatic buys are,
Dream Theater
Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson
Anathema
The Dear Hunter
Opeth
Ayreon
The mighty Fates Warning ofcourse
Spock's Beard
to name a few and most of them are as well as cd and LP or if there's a bluray i'll buy that one too so then i have 2 or 3 copy's
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All are a physical purchase; I have something like 28,000 songs on my iPod, and maybe 100 are not on CD somewhere in my basement.
As for automatic buys? The stalwarts: Kiss, Deep Purple, Maiden, Cheap Trick...
Some have fallen out of "automatic", even if eventually I get them. Yes, Marillion, etc.
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Metallica
Iron Maiden
Iced Earth
Any band that puts out a live cd/dvd/Blu-ray combo.
Other than that, I'm 100% digital download. I refuse to stream music, since I spend 3 hours per day commuting and don't wish to increase my mobile data plan. So I need to own the music to have access when I don't want to use streaming media. I don't have space in my house to display racks and racks of cd's, so I'm MP3 based now. And I actually really enjoy it.
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Any I'm interested in. Digital media is cool and I turn my CD's into MP3s real quick but I love the art that comes with them, and more importantly unlike DRM purchases, I own them.
I can't pass my collection on to my kids if Apple or whoever still owns the files. Though by the time I pass my collection on my kids might be like "shoot we can' t even buy a CD player anymore!".
Anyway.. still buy physical unless there's ZERO option of it.
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Remember too, when you just "stream" or download, you're at the mercy of the owner. For example, I have two versions Whitesnake's Slide It In, I have four versions of Rainbow Rising, three versions of Bark At The Moon, two of Diary and Blizzard... I want to control the ones I listen to. I don't want to have to be stuck with the Trujillo/Bordin Ozzy if I don't want to.
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Interesting question, for me the only absolutes are DT, IQ, Marillion and Steven Wilson.
I'll buy downloads for anything else, since I always want a non streaming option to cover for spotty coverage when driving, and to support the artist (I'll also buy downloads directly from the artists if possible, or from Bandcamp where a larger percentage goes to the artists than Amazon/Apple or whatever else)
A few exceptions is being part of kickstarter projects, or if the band is touring, then I'll usually buy a physical copy, again to support the artists.
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Honestly? None.
I don't buy physical media anymore.
There are some artists that i feel that "need' my purchase more, so if possible i buy their stuff on bandcamp.
Ulver is a good example, i have their discography on bandcamp, because their records are way too expensive here in Brazil (imports only), but they are my favorite band and they are not a rich band.
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Good to see someone else appreciating Bandcamp, I've found so much good music through that site.
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And by the way, it's "Bands that..." Not "Bands which..."
No it isn't, because the sentence would still make sense without the clause the relative pronoun ('which' here) connects. "Bands which are still automatic buys for you" is a grammatically perfect sentence, and so 'which' is used.
Bizarre interlude, not sure why you felt the need to make it quite honestly. The entire reason for my making this thread is your apparent dislike of threads being taken off topic.
I felt the need to make it because, like many people, I have an irrational compulsion to comment on those selective pet peeves of mine that give me fits, and one of those is the incorrect use of "which" in place of "that." And here's a quick tutorial demonstrating why the use of "which" is incorrect here and why you've misstated the rule: https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/which-versus-that-0 In short, "which" is generally used ONLY for nonrestrictive clauses. That is not how you used it in your sentence.
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Physical buys are few and far between. Most are digital, but I buy physicals of the following:
-Any release with M.P. :hefdaddy
-Dream Theater
-Alter Bridge
-Elton John (not really expecting anything "new")
-Queen (not really expecting anything "new")
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And by the way, it's "Bands that..." Not "Bands which..."
No it isn't, because the sentence would still make sense without the clause the relative pronoun ('which' here) connects. "Bands which are still automatic buys for you" is a grammatically perfect sentence, and so 'which' is used.
Bizarre interlude, not sure why you felt the need to make it quite honestly. The entire reason for my making this thread is your apparent dislike of threads being taken off topic.
I felt the need to make it because, like many people, I have an irrational compulsion to comment on those selective pet peeves of mine that give me fits, and one of those is the incorrect use of "which" in place of "that." And here's a quick tutorial demonstrating why the use of "which" is incorrect here and why you've misstated the rule: https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/which-versus-that-0 In short, "which" is generally used ONLY for nonrestrictive clauses. That is not how you used it in your sentence.
Then good news, it needn't rile you any longer, because as much as I've just enjoyed slowing down to morbidly stare at renowned linguist 'Grammar Girl' (authoritative writer of the link you posted, and who 2 sentences in has already managed to fuck up her preposition use) try to explain her understanding of the language, you are simply wrong on this point. Just wrong. The sentence I wrote was, and is, absolutely perfect. But I'm going to be honest with you, this is the 2nd time I've been here with you, I mean where you have written something which was simply and provably wrong, and in the end I received a not-so-subtle "I'm the mod around here and you're going off topic now" post (which reminds me, if the rule about going off topic now excludes instances of a person having an "irrational compulsion" could you update the rules so it applies to everyone? Thanks). These types of exchanges require a relentless and obsessive energy that I just don't have, so I'll end my part of it with a simple "fuck it, whatever".
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Poetic license.
Done and done.
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The sentence I wrote was, and is, absolutely perfect. But I'm going to be honest with you, this is the 2nd time I've been here with you, I mean where you have written something which was simply and provably wrong, and in the end I received a not-so-subtle "I'm the mod around here and you're going off topic now" post.
Well, now that's simply not true. I've said nothing of the sort in this thread, and wasn't intending to (and I don't know off the top of my head what the other incident is that you are referring to). But as to whether a specific thread title is grammatically correct or not, I'm not sure how that is off topic.
As to the rest, not sure why you are taking it so personally, so I apologize for apparently offending you. Not my intention. You certainly aren't required to agree with whether or not your sentence is correct, so carry on.
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System of a Down...still waiting though
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I listen to my music almost only on my computer and phone, so I rarely buy CDs anymore. Nowadays the only physical CDs I buy are Dream Theater and that's it.
On the other hand I still buy a lot of DVDs and BRs.
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I buy physical CD's of most, if not all, of the established bands I already have. But a few years ago, I've supplemented that with buying Amazon mp3s of newer bands. Saves a lot of money.
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jeff the brotherhood (cuz their vinyl releases are very limited) and father john misty. that's about it. i just don't have the money to buy albums i don't even know are gonna be good.
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Automatic:
Anything Devin Townsend related (not more The Hummer / Devlab though).
Anything Ginger Wildheart written (Wildhearts, Hey! Hello!, Mutation, solo, etc...).
Both are smaller artists who've released so much great material and I like to support their careers as much as possible (within reason).
Almost automatic:
Def Leppard - the first band to ever leave my jaw on the floor with how incredible they sounded so many years ago. Also, Hysteria is my second favourite album of all time and despite the special sauce being absent since Clark's death they still deliver consistently good material. Even their worst albums (X and Slang) are solid and have the occasional outstanding moment. Their latest is the best album they've done since Clark died despite Joe's voice being buggered in its upper register.
Iron Maiden - After H left and Bruce was doing that horrible thing with his voice far too often they stopped being an automatic purchase, then they hired Blaze and they became a won't purchase. Since Bruce and H returned (with Bruce now singing properly again) they're back to where they belong on top of the heavy metal world. I can't imagine not buying any future records from here on in, but you never know... I didn't think much of Book Of Souls and Dance Of Death has not aged at all well, Paschendale aside.
Queensryche. They're responsible for my favourite ever record and if they'd just stopped after Empire they would, hands down, be my all time favourite band. Even if you include the three other diluted DeGarmo included albums they'd probably still be my favourite band... Now the rotting root has been removed from the band and we're back to having Wilton properly contributing to songs and sound I'm back to cautious excitement about releases. They'll never be the same as they were when DeGarmo/Wilton/Tate were all contributing properly, though.
Beast In Black (continuation of the first three Battle Beast albums...). I just adore Anton Kabanen's writing. Cheesier than a triple cheese pizza dipped in fondue and I love it. However, I can see a point, eventually, when enough will be enough and I'll end up feeling like I've heard the album already.
Scar Symmetry. They're a listen-as-I-work kind of band more than one that regularly demands my attention and as such there's a surprising number of songs I can't really remember if I look at the track listings as it all rather blends into one. Whilst an album is playing then I do enjoy it... bit weird.
Ayreon/Star One. I've not yet not bought an Ayreon album, but they're getting pretty ponderous and fairly samey now. Still, there was enough to like about The Source that I bought it anyway. The two Star One albums are ace and I prefer that side of Arjen's writing and would love him to do another, though it seems like he might've fallen out with Russell Allen again so either it won't happen or he'll have to get in someone else to do those parts (Jorn Lande maybe?).
Mastodon. I didn't like The Hunter nor Once More Round The Sun very much but Emperor Of Sand is marvellous and I've got all the studio albums so far. They're almost one of those bands I want to like more than I really do.
Would be automatic if the possibility of new releases existed...:
Type O Negative.
Rush (well, until they make an official "Peart has retired" statement I guess it's never say never territory but it looks extremely unlikely now).
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Still buy everything on cd if it's available. Not a music streamer or downloader unless there is no other way of getting it.
I will admit to very occasionally streaming something I haven't heard to see if I like it but I will then buy the cd if I like it. To be honest though I usually just take the gamble as you can't always be sure based upon one listen.
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Honestly? None.
I don't buy physical media anymore.
There are some artists that i feel that "need' my purchase more, so if possible i buy their stuff on bandcamp.
Ulver is a good example, i have their discography on bandcamp, because their records are way too expensive here in Brazil (imports only), but they are my favorite band and they are not a rich band.
Yea, I'm with you on this. I feel there are so many amazing bands that are so underrated and therefore more deserving of my money. I want to help support bands so that they can continue to put out music and I can hopefully see them live. Like, The Dear Hunter are so massively underrated as far as I'm concerned and it's financially difficult for them to tour over here in the UK. I will give them as much of my money as I can in the hope it will help them tour more over here. I could mention loads of bands that I feel more deserving of success, these are the ones I buy on Bandcamp :tup
Edit: Just to be clear, I meant I'm with you in that I buy a fair bit digitally on Bandcamp. I do actually still buy some albums in physical form. I think the only ones I've bought this year are:
Crippled Black Phoenix - Bronze
Mastodon - Emperor of Sand
The King Blues - The Gospel Truth
Leprous - Malina
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Iron Maiden and Dream Theater is pretty much it, my two favorite bands. I'll buy a physical copy here and there if I feel like I really really want to support the band or it's unique (I pre-ordered an Anneke signed copy of VUUR's debut album for example) but I'm pretty much a digital download only guy. Not a fan of streaming just because I like to have access to my music without relying on something else (data/wifi signal or service).
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Dream Theater and Steel Panther. Sadly, that's it.
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I pretty much buy everything in CD format still for a variety of reasons:
1) Artists get less than shit from streaming services and while CD's may net the artists with only slightly less than shit in terms of compensation, I feel the difference is worth it.
2) Digital releases, especially of the music I often buy, doesn't differ too much in price from the physical version rendering the whole savings aspect moot.
3) Aside from Bandcamp, you're generally locked into a limited number of formats for digital releases, usually only mp3. Since I'm a snob and an asshole, I rip most of my music to .flac largely for archival purposes and nascent feelings of superiority over the common man.
4) I like having a physical product and I still listen to CD's in my car. Honestly, if vinyl was a more portable format, I'd probably just switch to that just because it's so superior to CD's on the physical and art side. But since I don't have the room and nothing to play them on, it'd be purely an aesthetic purchase and I haven't quite gone down that rabbit hole yet.
Honestly, digital is a perfectly fine format, I've purchased digital-only albums before, but I still prefer a physical release.
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There's a lot of it, because I'm a typical guy who likes to have all discography on physical format... From well known bands it would be definitly Dream Theater, Helloween, Europe, lots of Polish rock/metal bands like KAT, Decapitated, Vader etc... Riverside, Annihilator... I could name a very long list of those bands which I buy new releases without streaming their new music.
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None since cca 6doit
Buying digital only and preferably directly from the artist (if possible). Tempted during the shows though but usually ended up with some other "physical" merchandise (cups, t-shirts, etc.)
Reasons are purely technical - space and usage related ;D
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Question for the people who buy albums without hearing anything beforehand: Did you love all previous albums from those bands? Do you still buy "sight unseen" if the band has put out a couple "bad" albums?
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Depends on the band; I will buy a Genesis record unheard at this point. Deep Purple and Kiss as well. Aerosmith (even though I haven't like their last couple). At this point, Marillion is not an immediate buy; I haven't really liked much since Marbles (though the new one is good). Yes is not an immediate buy; without Chris I have my doubts.
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Depends on the band; I will buy a Genesis record unheard at this point. Deep Purple and Kiss as well. Aerosmith (even though I haven't like their last couple). At this point, Marillion is not an immediate buy; I haven't really liked much since Marbles (though the new one is good). Yes is not an immediate buy; without Chris I have my doubts.
As much as I love certain bands, I just don't have that much faith in them to buy an album without checking it out first. Call me crazy. Call me a pervert :huh:
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Question for the people who buy albums without hearing anything beforehand: Did you love all previous albums from those bands? Do you still buy "sight unseen" if the band has put out a couple "bad" albums?
Looking over my list of bands, there are a few that were big missteps for me, but I'm (cautiously) still going to immediately purchase or pre-order their future material. Kamelot's last two albums have been utter duds to me, in fact I didn't purchase Haven until I was at the venue to see them play for that tour. I can't say I enjoy it either, but it was an improvement from Silverthorn, so I'm sticking with them. Sonata Arctica's last album was such a massive disappointment I considered it for a while, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt since I love everything else. Helloween's last album was so damn bad (and the one before wasn't that hot) I'm cautiously investing in the next album but if it's a bomb then I'm bumping them.
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Question for the people who buy albums without hearing anything beforehand: Did you love all previous albums from those bands? Do you still buy "sight unseen" if the band has put out a couple "bad" albums?
For me, none of the bands on my list have put out a single bad album. There are bands that used to be on the list and dropped off - usually not because an album was bad, but because I only very rarely play cds anyway, and I don't feel a strong need to have the physical product.
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Question for the people who buy albums without hearing anything beforehand: Did you love all previous albums from those bands? Do you still buy "sight unseen" if the band has put out a couple "bad" albums?
For me, none of the bands on my list have put out a single bad album. There are bands that used to be on the list and dropped off - usually not because an album was bad, but because I only very rarely play cds anyway, and I don't feel a strong need to have the physical product.
I always buy something (eventually) if it's good but I only buy the downloadable versions these days. No space for a bunch of CD cases.
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Question for the people who buy albums without hearing anything beforehand: Did you love all previous albums from those bands? Do you still buy "sight unseen" if the band has put out a couple "bad" albums?
For me, none of the bands on my list have put out a single bad album. There are bands that used to be on the list and dropped off - usually not because an album was bad, but because I only very rarely play cds anyway, and I don't feel a strong need to have the physical product.
I always buy something (eventually) if it's good but I only buy the downloadable versions these days. No space for a bunch of CD cases.
That's me as well, for most things. If I hear something before I buy it, which is most of the time, and I like it, then I'll buy it on mp3. If it's a band I already know and like, I might even buy the mp3s blind, but usually I listen first just because it's available. There are some bands however that I still want a physical copy, to look at the artwork, read the liner notes, etc. In those cases, I generally don't want to hear it ahead of time - I want that first listen to be with the liner notes, lyrics, and artwork. With those bands I'm really not worried about not liking the album; I might not like it as much as others in that band's catalog, but I usually do like it.
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Remember too, when you just "stream" or download, you're at the mercy of the owner. For example, I have two versions Whitesnake's Slide It In, I have four versions of Rainbow Rising, three versions of Bark At The Moon, two of Diary and Blizzard... I want to control the ones I listen to. I don't want to have to be stuck with the Trujillo/Bordin Ozzy if I don't want to.
That's if you able to even find the origin or source....
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Blur, Warpaint and DT
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I just bought 5 more albums today. I love scouring discogs for people getting rid of music on the cheap. 5 albums for $20, hell yes :biggrin:
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I've seen the term "support the artist" a couple of times in this thread. Personally, I feel no obligation to "support the artist". Where or how I buy my music will be at my convenience, and I frankly don't care what percentage the band gets. I would also never prefund a band before they record an album.
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I've seen the term "support the artist" a couple of times in this thread. Personally, I feel no obligation to "support the artist". Where or how I buy my music will be at my convenience, and I frankly don't care what percentage the band gets. I would also never prefund a band before they record an album.
I don't have the same inclination to support all artist... some do pretty well for themselves but a lot of the bands I listen to do not.
Take IQ for instance. A group that has been going now for over 3t years yet can't support themselves on their music. All of them have dayjobs which is why they do not tour so much. Yet when I will see them now on friday they will have a full media show with three large screen.... they are not saving on their presentation so I think for my own sake it's good to support them anyway I can.
Another example is Pain of Salvation. Daniel Gildenlöw can support himself with music but the others have dayjobs and even have to quit their job to go on tour. There is a great documentary about them here (first season is up and second season is coming ).... this should almost be required watching
https://mapenzifilm.se/0-prologue-2/
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I've seen the term "support the artist" a couple of times in this thread. Personally, I feel no obligation to "support the artist". Where or how I buy my music will be at my convenience, and I frankly don't care what percentage the band gets.
Well, it depends case by case. There's an italian band, Elvenking, big enough to be a professional band, but not so big to the point that they can live off their music; they're not really local but I've met them enough times to call them, if not friends, acquiantaces... maybe the term "friend" is exagerated but when we meet, it's not an "Hi, I'm your fan" situation, more a "Hey dude what's up"; last time they had an album out I could have bought it in a store or online, but I made a point to buy it at one of their shows so that 100% of the money would go directly to them.
With local bands I know, whenever possible, I always do this, the price for me is the same but if they gan a little more from a direct purchase why not do it?
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Well, obviously, I think it's different if it's a local band.
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Well, obviously, I think it's different if it's a local band.
But would you then consider for instance Pain of Salvation a local band?
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Well, obviously, I think it's different if it's a local band.
But would you then consider for instance Pain of Salvation a local band?
Not for me. And by local, I mean from my town, of if I knew them.
I'll try and watch the video on them that was linked. I just feel like, if there's a band and they make music, if I like it, I'll buy it. Maybe if I'm really a fan, I'll buy a t-shirt. But those are purchases for me. And while those purchases "supports" the band, I wouldn't buy them to support the band.
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I don't think anyone by saying support the band means that you should buy albums from bands that you don't like. Too many bands around for that.
For me it means buying albums from bands I like, going to their shows, buying their merch. It can also be spreading the word...
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I don't think anyone by saying support the band means that you should buy albums from bands that you don't like. Too many bands around for that.
Right. I'm not saying that.
For me it means buying albums from bands I like, going to their shows, buying their merch.
I agree. Which I know in turn supports the band. But it gives me something I like.
It can also be spreading the word...
This. Totally.
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I've seen the term "support the artist" a couple of times in this thread. Personally, I feel no obligation to "support the artist". Where or how I buy my music will be at my convenience, and I frankly don't care what percentage the band gets.
Well, it depends case by case. There's an italian band, Elvenking, big enough to be a professional band, but not so big to the point that they can live off their music; they're not really local but I've met them enough times to call them, if not friends, acquiantaces... maybe the term "friend" is exagerated but when we meet, it's not an "Hi, I'm your fan" situation, more a "Hey dude what's up"; last time they had an album out I could have bought it in a store or online, but I made a point to buy it at one of their shows so that 100% of the money would go directly to them.
With local bands I know, whenever possible, I always do this, the price for me is the same but if they gan a little more from a direct purchase why not do it?
Do we KNOW that they "get more" from one given outlet over another? Some are obvious, but others are not. For me, and this applies to 98% of artists, they make their decisions with the full understanding of what they are going to receive. If they feel it's ok to sell at Best Buy, then I have no qualms buying from Best Buy. I buy most of my (older) material used (eBay, used record stores, flea markets, pawn shops) anyway, so they aren't probably making bank on me to start with. There are a very select few - Neal Morse, Marillion, Fish, sometimes Crimson - that I go directly to the website, but by and large, I'm not paying $16.99 to the artist when I can get an official - sanctioned by that artist - copy for $9.99 elsewhere (and that begs the question; if they are already making more on that sale, by cutting out the middle man, why charge a full 70% more for the product?)
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Well, I remember Christopher Johnson from Therion saying in a message on Facebook or on his website that buying a CD at the merch stand of a show is like buying 5 CDs in a shop, since all the money goes directly to the band rather than being split with the store. Then again it depends on the store, if it's the one of the band's site, I don't think there's much difference, but if it's the label one, probably there are shares for more parties.
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Question for the people who buy albums without hearing anything beforehand: Did you love all previous albums from those bands? Do you still buy "sight unseen" if the band has put out a couple "bad" albums?
Mostly. There's the track record factor for me. I can only think of one band that previously that was an automatic buy for me and then I just gave up on after two or three bad releases about 20 years ago and that band is Queensryche. Stopped cold turkey. Haven't listened to anything new since then.
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I've seen the term "support the artist" a couple of times in this thread. Personally, I feel no obligation to "support the artist". Where or how I buy my music will be at my convenience, and I frankly don't care what percentage the band gets. I would also never prefund a band before they record an album.
I'll support the artist to a point. I won't prefund a band before the album is recorded.
As much as love Marillion, I didn't even fund their US Tour back in what was it '96? Of course, that was after Brave and Afraid of Sunlight came out which was the only point where I wavered and considered my fandom.
Similarly, I didn't prefund their albums or want my name in the liner notes because what happens if they record it and I don't like it?
I did consider prefunding Kevin Moore since I'm confident I'd like whatever he came up with but ultimately decided not to on principle.
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I've seen the term "support the artist" a couple of times in this thread. Personally, I feel no obligation to "support the artist". Where or how I buy my music will be at my convenience, and I frankly don't care what percentage the band gets. I would also never prefund a band before they record an album.
I'll support them up to a point. I only buy digital albums. I prefer buying them from Amazon but if a band gets more money from Bandcamp sales or from their website then I've no problem with making purchases there even if it's slightly more expensive. I won't see 99% of these bands play live so I like buying their music if it's good of course. I agree with what you said about pre-funding too.
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I'm very old school. The answer is all.
I only buy digital if the artist does not release a physical copy or the cost to import one from Europe/Japan is too much. I will first seek out uncompressed digital via Bandcamp, their own site, or HD Tracks. If all else fails, I use my Google Opinion Rewards to buy the digital from the Play store.
I drive my wife nuts with the multiple UPS/USPS deliveries of my music. I have actually run out of space to store them. I have stacks of discs with nowhere to put them. That drives her nuts too. I probably have close to 2000 CD's in my living room alone.
EDIT: Not to mention that, lately, physical has a tendency to be cheaper than the digital which makes it sweeter for me.
Self-quoting here. Just wanted to pop in and give some kudos to the German Nuclear Blast shop. Accidentally stumbled onto it yesterday and discovered that they sell FLAC versions of many releases and also allow you to purchase individual tracks. This was a prime case of where I would do some digital purchasing.
I own the Special Edition releases of Threshold's Wounded Land and Extinct Instinct records. I wasn't aware that Nuclear Blast had gotten a hold of them and created Definitive Editions with even more bonus tracks. In this case, 2 studio cuts for Wounded and 1 for Extinct. Instead of dropping $30 to repurchase the albums, I dropped $3.87 to complete the releases and got them in CD quality form.
This is a great model for these albums that get multiple releases or different track listings. Europe/Japan always seem to get more tracks than the US. I wish more labels would follow this model.
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I don't buy anything physical anymore. I gave in. Abandoned my principles.
I have some movies and DVD's that i'll buy physically once in a while but that's it really
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I'm very old school. The answer is all.
I only buy digital if the artist does not release a physical copy or the cost to import one from Europe/Japan is too much. I will first seek out uncompressed digital via Bandcamp, their own site, or HD Tracks. If all else fails, I use my Google Opinion Rewards to buy the digital from the Play store.
I drive my wife nuts with the multiple UPS/USPS deliveries of my music. I have actually run out of space to store them. I have stacks of discs with nowhere to put them. That drives her nuts too. I probably have close to 2000 CD's in my living room alone.
EDIT: Not to mention that, lately, physical has a tendency to be cheaper than the digital which makes it sweeter for me.
Self-quoting here. Just wanted to pop in and give some kudos to the German Nuclear Blast shop. Accidentally stumbled onto it yesterday and discovered that they sell FLAC versions of many releases and also allow you to purchase individual tracks. This was a prime case of where I would do some digital purchasing.
I own the Special Edition releases of Threshold's Wounded Land and Extinct Instinct records. I wasn't aware that Nuclear Blast had gotten a hold of them and created Definitive Editions with even more bonus tracks. In this case, 2 studio cuts for Wounded and 1 for Extinct. Instead of dropping $30 to repurchase the albums, I dropped $3.87 to complete the releases and got them in CD quality form.
This is a great model for these albums that get multiple releases or different track listings. Europe/Japan always seem to get more tracks than the US. I wish more labels would follow this model.
Thank you!! I just recently saw that there were "definitive" editions and was wondering if I was really going to buy those albums yet again. I'll look into this. :)
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I always buy physical for anything because of the chance the electronics will shut down and all stored data will be erased.
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I always buy physical for anything because of the chance the electronics will shut down and all stored data will be erased.
External hard drive is the way to go, man. :tup :tup
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I would say Rush is the only one, but since it's unlikely we will see anything new from them I guess my real answer would be none...
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I always buy physical for anything because of the chance the electronics will shut down and all stored data will be erased.
External hard drive is the way to go, man. :tup :tup
But what if you break it.
Plus I'd like to add. I usually forget to backup my songs and other things. So I'm Shit Out of Luck with things like Coheed and Cambria Ascension/Decension demos and extra tracks I bought with the boxset. As that site isn't online anymore. Those things are why I like Physical.
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I always buy physical for anything because of the chance the electronics will shut down and all stored data will be erased.
External hard drive is the way to go, man. :tup :tup
But what if you break it.
Plus I'd like to add. I usually forget to backup my songs and other things. So I'm Shit Out of Luck with things like Coheed and Cambria Ascension/Decension demos and extra tracks I bought with the boxset. As that site isn't online anymore. Those things are why I like Physical.
I hear ya.
I actually still have most of my physical CDs (sold off maybe 100-150 last year), and while most new stuff I buy digitally, my brothers and a good friend collectively have just about everything I do, so if something did happen to where I lost all of my physical CDs AND the digital files, I could always restart by getting most of it from all of them.
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I always buy physical for anything because of the chance the electronics will shut down and all stored data will be erased.
External hard drive is the way to go, man. :tup :tup
But what if you break it.
Plus I'd like to add. I usually forget to backup my songs and other things. So I'm Shit Out of Luck with things like Coheed and Cambria Ascension/Decension demos and extra tracks I bought with the boxset. As that site isn't online anymore. Those things are why I like Physical.
I hear ya.
I actually still have most of my physical CDs (sold off maybe 100-150 last year), and while most new stuff I buy digitally, my brothers and a good friend collectively have just about everything I do, so if something did happen to where I lost all of my physical CDs AND the digital files, I could always restart by getting most of it from all of them.
Lucky. I have to buy them all over again, as I don't know people who would have the cd's I have. I wish that New Mexico was a musical state, and not just mainstream rap/metal and country.
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Automatic physical buys? Pretty much just Haken (somewhat ironically, since I always get the album digitally far in advance of release) and maybe The Dear Hunter.
Plenty of other bands I'll pretty much always buy the new album by, like DT, Anathema, etc. but won't necessarily be on CD.