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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: TempusVox on September 21, 2017, 09:02:38 PM
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I may be late to the party, but...What. The. Fuck?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aJg4OJxp-co
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zXdM1rqSlSQ
These kids are like 18-19 years old.
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Thank God, someone else loves these guys too. I made a thread about them back in May and I think the only comment was about Greta Van Sustren.
These guys are talented. The Led Zeppelin comparisons are inevitable and even they have tried to shy away from it, but these guys have a bright future. Catchy riffs and great vocals make for some great listening. Highway Tune is my favorite track from them
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Agreed. The Zep comparison is so strong it's almost gimmicky. Almost. But it's not. It's familiar and fresh. And I read something earlier where they said LZ is only a small influence compared to so much other early blues influences. But they're very good, and will be swimming in pussy for a long time I'm sure.
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I've been hearing a lot of Highway Tune on a radio station I listen to often. The Led Zeppelin-like sound in that is very evident, but in this day and age, it's quite refreshing and probably more refreshing now to have that sort of sound than say 1979 or something like that.
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Someone posted about these guys several months ago over at MP.com. Couldn't believe what I was hearing. Astonishingly good debut. And yes, one of those opening screams (I don't recall which song off the top of my head) could quite easily have been Robert Plant from years gone by.
We were gutted to be in the US on holiday a couple of weeks ago when they played a date over here.
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Someone posted about these guys several months ago over at MP.com. Couldn't believe what I was hearing. Astonishingly good debut. And yes, one of those opening screams (I don't recall which song off the top of my head) could quite easily have been Robert Plant from years gone by.
We were gutted to be in the US on holiday a couple of weeks ago when they played a date over here.
My first impression of them was, "Did someone find the tapes of a band that Robert Plant was in that nobody knew and release a single for the public to hear?"
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When is their full length debut coming out? The 4 songs on Spotify are good but I need me a full album, these guys rule. I'm in the club that found them thanks to that MPForum thread. Even my coworkers like these guys and they never like music I find :)
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Agreed. The Zep comparison is so strong it's almost gimmicky. Almost. But it's not. It's familiar and fresh. And I read something earlier where they said LZ is only a small influence compared to so much other early blues influences. But they're very good, and will be swimming in pussy for a long time I'm sure.
I really like these guys, but the bolded is a concern for me, they are really toeing the line of a Zep gimmick for me. I look forward to them releasing more music that maybe stretches out from the Zep sound a bit.
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Had a buddy put me on to these guys last month, and I've heard them on heavy rotation on the 'hard-rock' radio station around here. Very nice EP for sure. Am looking forward to a full-on follow up.
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Had a buddy put me on to these guys last month, and I've heard them on heavy rotation on the 'hard-rock' radio station around here. Very nice EP for sure. Am looking forward to a full-on follow up.
Wikipedia tells me they're planning to release 2 more EPs which will make up a whole album's worth of music. I hope they just release a full length instead (unless they're planning to combine all the EPs into one album?). These guys could headline with just that, they're that good. Crazy that they just graduated high school. I feel old...
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I've seen this band name pop up here and there, and just today a local concert venue announced they are playing in May. I had no idea what to expect but listened to one song on youtube and immediately thought LZ (like others) but that doesn't stop my enjoyment, some pretty cool tunes. I might have to check them out further and even go to the show.
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These kids are talented as hell. Yeah, they have a huge Zeppelin sound now, but once they grow into their own, they're gonna be really great, I think. Looking forward to hearing more from them.
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Timely thread bump because this popped up on Blabbermouth today
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/greta-van-fleet-recording-debut-album/ (https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/greta-van-fleet-recording-debut-album/)
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Saw them yesterday and they may have had the biggest crowd and best performance of the show from the 9 bands at the KROQ Almost Acoustic Christmas. Thought they sounded tight and the singer's voice was just so powerful. Now I get what everyone is talking about with this band.
Greta Van Fleet - Edge of Darkness LIVE @ KROQ Almost Acoustic Christmas 2018 LA Forum 12/8/18 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBq6q6E4IBY)
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Great video Cram!
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I like Greta Van Fleet. My wife bought the EP that came before this latest record (which we haven't got yet -- gonna have to fix that). They certainly have channeled Zeppelin, but I really enjoy the energy.
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https://metalheadzone.com/prog-rock-legend-slams-greta-van-fleet-for-being-led-zeppelin-imitation/
Saw this pop up in my mobile Chrome suggestions and figured I'd see what this band is about. I've seen their name but never gave them any mind, especially since their logo was very derivative (cuz everyone is using that Stephen King book font), but after reading this snippet from Steven Wilson and watching the video at the bottom of the article, I'm a bit curious about this band.
It's been awhile since a new classic rock-inspired hard rock band has hit the scene with such a sound, and they have already won a Grammy for their 2nd EP. Has anyone listened to their debut album that came out last October? What are your thoughts? I haven't given new bands much of a chance in recent years, but these guys seem worth checking out...
-Marc.
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I love the song Age of Man
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I love the song Age of Man
When I got the album, I thought this was my least favorite song and poor way to start the album, I've since come around on it, but still find it near the bottom of my song rankings. But that's just because this is a very strong rock album IMO. Yes, it sounds like bands before them, but it's very good music. I love the 2nd song, The Cold Wind, I feel like that should have started the album. I defintiely get a "Good Times Bad Times" vibe from this song, but it's rockin and has a nice short but sweet instrumental break.
One thing I disagree with SW is that they have the image. They do not. They look ridiculous. I think their music is so strong it overcomes how ridiculous these kids look. I can't say I care too much about his opinions otherwise, SW kind of comes off as a grumpy dude so him being negative to a much younger successful band that does something that SW himself likely loved as a kid is going to breed some negativity. He's not totally wrong either. I enjoy GVF's music, but you can't ignore their similarity to LZ. We will see what the next 10 years brings. Part of me thinks he might be right, they wont be around, but I think it'll be because of the pressure and negativity surrounding them because some people can't just grasp the idea of a rock band that doesn't play what they like is having success. These guys got famous real quick and I could bet it gets to them and they break down sometime. They just cancelled their euro tour cause of the singer's throat illness. I could see the pressure push them further and they not only get physical breakdowns but mental as well. I hope not, I'd love to see them grow into more of their own sound and allow their musicianship to shine without the comparisons. We will see.
I am trying to see them in Queens in May, all of their concerts are sold out and the local one which is GA has tickets around the $200 mark on 2nd markets which is just absurd whereas the Queens show is much cheaper second hand and has seats so I can guarantee myself a view.
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https://metalheadzone.com/prog-rock-legend-slams-greta-van-fleet-for-being-led-zeppelin-imitation/
Saw this pop up in my mobile Chrome suggestions and figured I'd see what this band is about. I've seen their name but never gave them any mind, especially since their logo was very derivative (cuz everyone is using that Stephen King book font), but after reading this snippet from Steven Wilson and watching the video at the bottom of the article, I'm a bit curious about this band.
It's been awhile since a new classic rock-inspired hard rock band has hit the scene with such a sound, and they have already won a Grammy for their 2nd EP. Has anyone listened to their debut album that came out last October? What are your thoughts? I haven't given new bands much of a chance in recent years, but these guys seem worth checking out...
-Marc.
That was quite the slam by Wilson. :lol I tried to listen to them but my interest faded pretty quickly.
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I like Steven Wilson and all but boy can he be one grumpy pretentious fuck. Kindly get the stick out of your backside, sir; sorry these guys who are 30+ years younger than you are enjoying some mainstream success with their natural gift. No, seriously, some of those comments he made have caused me to lose a little respect for him. For someone who seems to understand the creative process, the value of music, etc. so much, it is ridiculous to me that he is slamming these kids as a "boy band", a "piss poor imitation," "maybe one day they'll make a good record" etc. He even alludes to his jealousy right at the end talking about how he didn't have what they have.
Sorry to tell you Steve but you didn't write a good album until your 7th Porcupine Tree release. Your early records are like a terrible Pink Floyd imitation. And look at how you grew.
As for the album itself, it rocks. The band's great. I hope I get to see them live.
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Fuck Steven Wilson. Seriously.
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Not a fan. I can see they are talented, and maybe even good potential, but right now they sound like the past. If I want to hear a band that sounds like it's from the 70's, I'll listen to a band from the 70's. Back then, that sound was the result of people pushing music forward. Right now it's a result of people looking backwards. Not a huge fan of that, especially when their entire sound is built around it.
Glad everyone else likes them. Not my thing.
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Not a fan. I can see they are talented, and maybe even good potential, but right now they sound like the past. If I want to hear a band that sounds like it's from the 70's, I'll listen to a band from the 70's. Back then, that sound was the result of people pushing music forward. Right now it's a result of people looking backwards. Not a huge fan of that, especially when their entire sound is built around it.
Glad everyone else likes them. Not my thing.
I’m with you.
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Pretentious and grumpy are both fair terms to apply to Steven, but I don't really feel like he's that far off base here.
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It’s also possible to disagree with him and not be so hateful and vitriol.
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No, what he said was stupid and arrogant and reeks of someone who is envious of a young act getting mainstream success. The guy is one of the biggest names in an entire genre of music and he's criticizing talented kids fresh out of high school who are getting some of the spotlight because they aren't doing what he thinks they should be doing and he acts like it's somehow bad for music. Really leaves a bad taste in my mouth reading those comments when I respect him for what he does.
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Yes. And it’s possibke to disagree with him and not be so hateful and vitriol.
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I don't think what I said was hateful at all, sorry if you took it that way.
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I don't think what I said was hateful at all, sorry if you took it that way.
I thought the “no” in your post was in response to me. My bad.
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I don't think what I said was hateful at all, sorry if you took it that way.
I don't think anyone has been vitriolic in any way, especially considering that SW does seem a bit hypocritical here since his early career is full of music where he wore his influences on his sleeves.
-Marc.
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I don't think what I said was hateful at all, sorry if you took it that way.
I don't think anyone has been vitriolic in any way, especially considering that SW does seem a bit hypocritical here since his early career is full of music where he wore his influences on his sleeves.
-Marc.
Fuck Steven Wilson. Seriously.
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No, what he said was stupid and arrogant and reeks of someone who is envious of a young act getting mainstream success. The guy is one of the biggest names in an entire genre of music and he's criticizing talented kids fresh out of high school who are getting some of the spotlight because they aren't doing what he thinks they should be doing and he acts like it's somehow bad for music. Really leaves a bad taste in my mouth reading those comments when I respect him for what he does.
I wouldn't go far as to say that what Greta Van Fleet is doing is bad for music, but I feel like it sure as hell isn't doing anything to push music forward. I see them as a band that brings a refreshing sound to be nostalgic about rather than move rock forward to a bold, new, exciting direction. I mean was Steven Wilson's tone in his comments was a bit more crass than it should be? Probably, and I wouldn't want to describe them as a boy band version of Led Zeppelin that Steven Wilson did, but I wouldn't exactly think anything he is saying is all wrong. Would they still be around 10 years later with what the success they have right now and the sound they have right now? That's a big "we'll see" to look out for.
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Gotta give SW props for saying it like it is. This band being popular is great proof you don't need to be good or original to have success.
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Okay, I get it, but humor me: why should originality have ANYTHING to do with success? Success is determined entirely by the perception of the audience, and it seems like they're doing fine in that regard. If people enjoy it, who really cares if it's "original"? Almost everything has already been done before. It is incredibly, exceedingly difficult to make music that is actually new and pushes things forward. I see a lot of hate for Greta Van Fleet on my social media from people who listen to 300 new metal bands a year that do absolutely nothing new.
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Gotta give SW props for saying it like it is. This band being popular is great proof you don't need to be good or original to have success.
So Steven Wilson is a genius? Since when has this been news?
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Gotta give SW props for saying it like it is. This band being popular is great proof you don't need to be good or original to have success.
So Steven Wilson is a genius? Since when has this been news?
No he's not. He's a pretty good progressive rock musician who definitely could be hit back with this argument himself (though to a lesser extent) as he has borrowed elements in his music too, but he is 100% right in everything he said. Terrible band - check. Shamelessly ripping off a band nowhere near the same level - check. Forgotten in 10 years - no way to tell yet but probably yes.
Could have been a Nickelback member saying these quotes and I would have said "yeah thats correct". :P
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Two highly subjective opinions there. He is not 100% right.
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Okay, I get it, but humor me: why should originality have ANYTHING to do with success? Success is determined entirely by the perception of the audience, and it seems like they're doing fine in that regard. If people enjoy it, who really cares if it's "original"? Almost everything has already been done before. It is incredibly, exceedingly difficult to make music that is actually new and pushes things forward. I see a lot of hate for Greta Van Fleet on my social media from people who listen to 300 new metal bands a year that do absolutely nothing new.
As someone who thinks making throwback music isn't the worst thing in the world, this kind of defeatist mentality in bold is something I don't jive with.
I'm sure music listeners in decades past have thought the same thing, yet look where we are now. It's only this type of mindset that sets the progression of art backwards and hinders growth.
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Two highly subjective opinions there. He is not 100% right.
Whether you agree with him or not, SW has always had strong opinions on bands that mimic other bands. It's a general sentiment I can agree with but then sometimes it comes back to bite him, like when he was bashing a lot of quite popular prog bands (i believe transatlantic, flower kings) saying they were everything that was wrong with progressive rock because they went backwards for inspiration instead of forward, but then he put out Raven a year later and it was essentially a homage to 70s prog rock.
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Okay, I get it, but humor me: why should originality have ANYTHING to do with success? Success is determined entirely by the perception of the audience, and it seems like they're doing fine in that regard. If people enjoy it, who really cares if it's "original"? Almost everything has already been done before. It is incredibly, exceedingly difficult to make music that is actually new and pushes things forward. I see a lot of hate for Greta Van Fleet on my social media from people who listen to 300 new metal bands a year that do absolutely nothing new.
As someone who thinks making throwback music isn't the worst thing in the world, this kind of defeatist mentality in bold is something I don't jive with.
I'm sure music listeners in decades past have thought the same thing, yet look where we are now. It's only this type of mindset that sets the progression of art backwards and hinders growth.
It is not a defeatest mentality to point out how difficult it is to be original, and it also doesn't hinder growth to point it out either.
Two highly subjective opinions there. He is not 100% right.
Whether you agree with him or not, SW has always had strong opinions on bands that mimic other bands. It's a general sentiment I can agree with but then sometimes it comes back to bite him, like when he was bashing a lot of quite popular prog bands (i believe transatlantic, flower kings) saying they were everything that was wrong with progressive rock because they went backwards for inspiration instead of forward, but then he put out Raven a year later and it was essentially a homage to 70s prog rock.
I don't think it does any favors for the stereotype that prog rock musicians/fans are music snobs especially about mainstream acts, which is something I'm a bit surprised Steven Wilson himself isn't apparently aware of (or perhaps he just doesn't care, which is more likely).
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I dont get why they got so popular.
They're alright. Not my cup of tea. They're really hardcore with the '70s style though. Even going for the look.
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Just on the idea that lots of bands aren't 100% forward thinking, etc.
I can't speak to Porcupine Tree's first few albums. Never heard them.
But when an artist is inspired by certain things and incorporates those sounds (be they 70's, 80's, whatever) into his/her music, that is one thing. When a band just sounds EXACTLY like bands from a certain decade or style that is long established, and have began their career in that sound, it's a different thing.
You can grow by incorporating older elements into your sound. But then you just create your sound out of older sounds only, it's not forward thinking at all.
Not saying it's a bad thing, or that no one else does it. Plenty do. But it's very different than paying homage or something when you're already established.
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Have ya'll even listened to their album? Age of Man doesn't sound a damn thing like Led Zeppelin.
(EDIT: I agree with most of the points in your post there, Adami. I just think you're arguing something that isn't fully applicable to Greta Van Fleet. It's disingenuous to dismiss them as nothing but a Zeppelin carbon copy.)
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Have ya'll even listened to their album? Age of Man doesn't sound a damn thing like Led Zeppelin.
I got that song in my roulette this round! Definitely not Led Zeppelin. I can vouch.
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Have ya'll even listened to their album? Age of Man doesn't sound a damn thing like Led Zeppelin.
(EDIT: I agree with most of the points in your post there, Adami. I just think you're arguing something that isn't fully applicable to Greta Van Fleet. It's disingenuous to dismiss them as nothing but a Zeppelin carbon copy.)
Not sure I ever typed Zeppelin.
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Have ya'll even listened to their album? Age of Man doesn't sound a damn thing like Led Zeppelin.
(EDIT: I agree with most of the points in your post there, Adami. I just think you're arguing something that isn't fully applicable to Greta Van Fleet. It's disingenuous to dismiss them as nothing but a Zeppelin carbon copy.)
Not sure I ever typed Zeppelin.
Like I already said, I agree with what you're saying in that post, I just don't think it's 100% applicable to Greta Van Fleet because there's more to the group than their alleged clone nature. All that matters at the end of the day is that they make music people like, just like any other artist out there.
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Of course. I'm glad people like them. They're talented kids. Nice to see it's paying off for them. I was just explaining why 1) I don't like them very much and 2) why their sound isn't the same as simply not being 100% original all the time. That's all. Not saying they're bad or that people shouldn't like them.
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The few songs I've heard scream " we want to be Led Zeppelin", but they weren't bad. Nothing that deserves an award though, and nothing that makes me want to keep listening.
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I am going to repost what I posted under a music video of theirs, to demonstrate how I feel about this band:
They sound a lot like Led Zeppelin, yes (duh), but then again, Led Zeppelin also sounded like a lot of older artists. BUT, GVF only sounds like the more basic/easy rock tunes by Led Zeppelin, far away from their real masterpieces Kashmir, Stairway, In The Light, Achilles. But their stuff is still awesome. And at least, real music made by real musicians with real instruments is going viral again. So, in conclusion, I have no idea how to feel about this band.
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I don't think it does any favors for the stereotype that prog rock musicians/fans are music snobs especially about mainstream acts, which is something I'm a bit surprised Steven Wilson himself isn't apparently aware of (or perhaps he just doesn't care, which is more likely).
Bingo.
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This is also a problem when a rock band (or any band that writes their own stuff) gets a lot of popularity before/around the time of their first album.
They haven't really been around long enough to truly develop their sound or find themselves. Most bands get popularity around 3 or so albums in, sometimes even later. These guys are being judged as kids who are still finding themselves. And sadly labels will likely pressure them to just stay with their current sound because it's what made them popular, stymying their ability to really grow.
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This is also a problem when a rock band (or any band that writes their own stuff) gets a lot of popularity before/around the time of their first album.
This for sure, SW reads like someone jealous of their success and well, there's good reason to be. I understand that and it plays a role in many people's dislike of them. They have't "earned it" but that's the way life works sometimes. They caught a break when others did not.
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This is also a problem when a rock band (or any band that writes their own stuff) gets a lot of popularity before/around the time of their first album.
This for sure, SW reads like someone jealous of their success and well, there's good reason to be. I understand that and it plays a role in many people's dislike of them. They have't "earned it" but that's the way life works sometimes. They caught a break when others did not.
SW being jealous of anyone's success is his own issue. I'm a prog guy - even the other genres I like like metal are better when they have an element of prog in them - and I have a hard time with Wilson's material. The only Wilson work I really like is Fish's "Sunsets On Empire". I do believe that bands/artists generally get the level of success they "deserve", and so him being jealous says more about him than it does Greta Van Fleet.
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I don't think Steven Wilson is "jealous", his music and general attitude has always been pretty contrarian. For better or worse, a lot of his artistic vision along the line seems to have been a reaction to things he did not like about the overall rock scene. He has always been open about things he did not like at a given time - other bands, production styles, even listening format - and his own music has always tried to provide an alternative to those thing, even if Wilson later embraced them (like having his music on Spotify). I agree with him about GVF though, there's not much to like and thinking about them just makes me sad that hard rock is now just another nostalgia genre.
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Finally checked this band out and they sure do sound like Zeppelin knockoffs. Not sure how anyone could listen to Safari Song and Highway Tune and think they aren't trying to sound exactly like Zeppelin.
That aside, I get why they are popular, as this is like throwing red meat to the portion of the masses who, believe it or not, are still craving mainstream hard rock.
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I still haven't gotten around to listening to GVF so I can't really comment on them being Zeppelin knock-offs or not yet, but if they are and that's the music they enjoy creating then good luck to them. Every band/artist has to start somewhere, and mimicking your idols is generally where most will begin.
I did however have to comment on Wilsons stuff, I'm a fan of Steven Wilson although I do admit I have to be in the mood to listen to him and some of the Porcupine Tree stuff did take a while to click for me. I just find his comments to be really bad form,
I made a similar comment to this on a facebook post earlier but I think considering his own little rants at concerts about how people who didn't enjoy his 'pop' stuff were musical snobs and also ranting about how 'kids these days' don't know what an electric guitar is, him having a go at a young band that clearly have a passion for it does smack of hypocrisy.
They're not exempt from criticism by any means and everyone is entitled to an opinion but I think just straight up attacking them like he did does him no favours and makes him look a tad silly.
EDIT: Finally started to check them out, Safari song definitely does sound like Zeppelin but *shrug*, it sounds good to me. I'm into it.
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True, good music is good music, and while it sounding too much like another band can be a bit oft-putting at first, I can usually get past it, even the music holds up and is good enough. We'll see if this band passes the smell test in that regard.
As for SW's comments, he is British. A bit of cheekiness is to be expected. :P
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True, good music is good music, and while it sounding too much like another band can be a bit oft-putting at first, I can usually get past it, even the music holds up and is good enough. We'll see if this band passes the smell test in that regard.
As for SW's comments, he is British. A bit of cheekiness is to be expected. :P
Yeah, I can definitely understand why it might be off putting to some. Especially when it comes to a band like Zeppelin in which people do have this really strong emotional connection. Zeppelin were a force, they were huge and helped pave the road for hard rock, so when a new band comes along and sounds like them I can see why people would have a fairly negative reaction.
I do really like what I'm hearing from this first EP though, it is incredibly Zeppelin like which is fine by me. I like Zeppelin so I like this too. it's not bad to my ears. As you say though, whether or not they can build or remain consistently good with it remains to be seen. I like to be optimistic and hope they will.
Haha, see i'm the opposite with my form of Britishness, i'm too polite to be overly critical. I'm always trying to find something good to say :laugh:
Haha, that is true as well. See I'm the complete opposite, I'm British and can't find it within myself to be nasty about stuff like that :laugh:
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This is also a problem when a rock band (or any band that writes their own stuff) gets a lot of popularity before/around the time of their first album.
They haven't really been around long enough to truly develop their sound or find themselves. Most bands get popularity around 3 or so albums in, sometimes even later. These guys are being judged as kids who are still finding themselves. And sadly labels will likely pressure them to just stay with their current sound because it's what made them popular, stymying their ability to really grow.
Agreed. My biggest complaint about GFV is not the comparison to Zeppelin (other than their sometimes denial of it in interviews... c'mon). but rather the lack of diversity in their sound. I have the two CDs on my iPod and listening to both albums back-to-back, it simply gets kinda boring after a while. Kinda like listening to AC/DC or The Ramones for an extended period. Everything starts to sound the same. I can see exactly what you are saying Adami and that could end up being a long-term issue with GVF...
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I dont get why they got so popular.
They're alright. Not my cup of tea. They're really hardcore with the '70s style though. Even going for the look.
I like their music. The LZ comparison isn't a bad thing IMO. However, do you really think mainstream media would be promoting this band if they were 35+ and looked like Lemmy (RIP). They are good looking guys, barely old enough to legally drink, and IMO they are for the youth fanbase. Not a 51 year old like me. And that's not a bad thing if younger people start enjoying music of a better, let's just say, quality.
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I dont get why they got so popular.
They're alright. Not my cup of tea. They're really hardcore with the '70s style though. Even going for the look.
I like their music. The LZ comparison isn't a bad thing IMO. However, do you really think mainstream media would be promoting this band if they were 35+ and looked like Lemmy (RIP). They are good looking guys, barely old enough to legally drink, and IMO they are for the youth fanbase. Not a 51 year old like me. And that's not a bad thing if younger people start enjoying music of a better, let's just say, quality.
Yeah, nope. :) :) :)
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70s fashion didn't even look good in the 70s. "What's he wearing?" "A sofa."
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I can't help but wonder if there are any Greta Van Fleet fans who shit on the likes of Kingdom Come, Whitesnake, and Great White for being "Zeppelin clones" back in the '80s.
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I can't help but wonder if there are any Greta Van Fleet fans who shit on the likes of Kingdom Come, Whitesnake, and Great White for being "Zeppelin clones" back in the '80s.
GVF fan and I'm looking forward to seeing Whitesnake soon, David's voice is pretty much garbage these days but I'd like to see them in a smaller venue doing a full set.
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I can't help but wonder if there are any Greta Van Fleet fans who shit on the likes of Kingdom Come, Whitesnake, and Great White for being "Zeppelin clones" back in the '80s.
GVF fan and I'm looking forward to seeing Whitesnake soon, David's voice is pretty much garbage these days but I'd like to see them in a smaller venue doing a full set.
Was thinking EXACTLY the same thing about Whitesnake.
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I can't help but wonder if there are any Greta Van Fleet fans who shit on the likes of Kingdom Come, Whitesnake, and Great White for being "Zeppelin clones" back in the '80s.
GVF fan and I'm looking forward to seeing Whitesnake soon, David's voice is pretty much garbage these days but I'd like to see them in a smaller venue doing a full set.
I'll say something that's fitting for the controversial opinion thread - in their prime, Lenny Wolf, David Coverdale, and Jack Russell were all better live singers than Plant. I saw Whitesnake and Great White together, and while Whitesnake was good, Great White was fucking flawless.
I also remember Zebra being thrown into the mix of "Zeppelin-esque" bands, and I never understood it. Granted, Randy Jackson did play in a Zeppelin tribute band, but Zebra sounded absolutely nothing like Zeppelin to me.
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I can't help but wonder if there are any Greta Van Fleet fans who shit on the likes of Kingdom Come, Whitesnake, and Great White for being "Zeppelin clones" back in the '80s.
GVF fan and I'm looking forward to seeing Whitesnake soon, David's voice is pretty much garbage these days but I'd like to see them in a smaller venue doing a full set.
I'll say something that's fitting for the controversial opinion thread - in their prime, Lenny Wolf, David Coverdale, and Jack Russell were all better live singers than Plant. I saw Whitesnake and Great White together, and while Whitesnake was good, Great White was fucking flawless.
I also remember Zebra being thrown into the mix of "Zeppelin-esque" bands, and I never understood it. Granted, Randy Jackson did play in a Zeppelin tribute band, but Zebra sounded absolutely nothing like Zeppelin to me.
I don't know about "better than Plant" - he's a rock god for a reason - but you don't have to sell me on Jack Russell. The dude is fucked up, but he owns a voice from the heavens. I just got his solo record - "For You" - and his band is out of this world (Bob Kulick, Tony Levin, Billy Sherwood, and Vinnie Colaiuta). I just wish the songs - written by Kulick, Sherwood and Russell - were a shade better.
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Seemed if you had a high pitched voice, you were called a Zeppelin clone. Both of which Whitesnake and Great White definitely were NOT.
Zebra either.
Kingdom Come on the otherhand...
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Seemed if you had a high pitched voice, you were called a Zeppelin clone. Both of which Whitesnake and Great White definitely were NOT.
Zebra either.
Kingdom Come on the otherhand...
I did like Lenny Wolf a lot.
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Seemed if you had a high pitched voice, you were called a Zeppelin clone. Both of which Whitesnake and Great White definitely were NOT.
Zebra either.
Kingdom Come on the otherhand...
Whitesnake definitely wasn't; but Great White flirted with disaster a little bit. They had that "Recovery Live!" CD with Immigrant Song and Rock And Roll on it (and Jack Russell looking like a lunatic with the chain saw; little did I know he actually did time for shooting someone while whacked out on PCP).
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Still Of The Night has some resemblance to Black Dog and Whole Lotta Love (the atmospheric middle part) but other than that they aren't Led Clones. And despite Plant claiming that Coverdale always tried to cover him, I don't really hear it. Early Whitesnake was more Deep Purple than Led Zep, later Whitesnake more (hair) metal.
Kingdom Come were definitely closer, but I still liked them.
Great Van Fleet are in a similar vein and clearly influenced by LZ, but what I heard didn't really wow me and featured only a small part of what made Led Zeppelin great.
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Aside from the part in Still of the Night where the guitarist plays his instrument with a violin bow, I never thought Whitesnake sounded like LZ, and even that part doesn't sound a thing like Dazed and Confused or Kashmir, the two most famous "Jimmy Page playing his guitar with a violin bow" moments.
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I always get Coverdale and Sammy Hagar mixed up when I hear their songs on the radio. Plant isn't even in the picture.
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Seemed if you had a high pitched voice, you were called a Zeppelin clone. Both of which Whitesnake and Great White definitely were NOT.
Zebra either.
Kingdom Come on the otherhand...
Yes, that's exactly what happened. Any time a male singer dared to sing above baritone for an extended period, the inevitable Plant comparisons would ensue as if he had a patent on the tenor range. As for Kingdom Come, they did bring the comparison on themselves with that Kashmir-ish progression during the verses of "Get It On" and some of Lenny's vocal phrasing, but overall, I'm not sure I'd call them a clone band. They had many other songs that were stylistically different than Zeppelin.
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Been listening to Anthem of the peaceful army a lot. Really love this album.
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Been listening to Anthem of the peaceful army a lot. Really love this album.
Yup, played it for my brother the other day and he thought it sounded like Rush and enjoyed it as well
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Yeah there's a big early Rush vibe on that album, I dig it. Might have to break it out tonight 'cause I haven't heard it in a couple months. Hope they're working on a second album!
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They played locally a week ago, it sold out instantly and tickets on the secondary market were running like $150 for GA and I really don't like that venue (Stone Pony Summer Stage) so I wasn't going to that for that price, but they are playing in Queens tonight in a small stadium (looks like a stadium for tennis) for a much more reasonable price, $60 for a seat. I was on the edge for this, but it's beautiful out so heading out to go catch them play now outdoors :metal
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I've been listening to them A LOT lately. Specifically Anthem of the peaceful army. I really love that album. Age of man and brave new world are always in my head.
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So their concert last weekend was pretty awesome. They didn't sell out, but really packed the 14k capacity Forest Hills Stadium. I got a last row ticket from a scalper for just under face value before the show. They went on early, at 8pm before sun down and the singer said they wanted to perform during the transition from day to night, which is pretty cool. They opened with Wild Thing, which I'm not sure they had done before. Pretty cool coming out like that and then went right into the Cold Wind which felt appropriate, it was a really nice day but had become very windy in the evening and being where I was, you really felt that cold wind blowing and it's often heard in my videos making the audio shittier than it should be. Anyway, their set was solid. I wish they played a couple more songs, but they had some jams and whatnot to extend songs and keep them entertaining. I eventually had enough of the cold wind and snuck onto the floor for the last few songs which was pretty fun. Thought the singer sounded great and the band was tight overall. I don't think they've really done their own headline show in a stadium like this before either and you could kind of tell. The stage was huge and yet their set up was super small for it and the band never really strayed from each other so it kind of felt like they were playing to a smaller crowd than the reality. It'll be interesting to see how they grow and evolve from here, but I've been amazed by the female support of comments on my videos. It's clear from my experience, they've got a large female fan base.
Greta Van Fleet LIVE @ Forest Hills Stadium Queens NY 5/25/19 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryAFEORre6E)
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Marc, I've watched a couple of your vids from the show. I'm not into them, and don't see that changing, but holy crap, what a turn out. The whole scene looked amazing.
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Marc, I've watched a couple of your vids from the show. I'm not into them, and don't see that changing, but holy crap, what a turn out. The whole scene looked amazing.
I'll have to post my panoramic picture later when I get home, it was really a big turn out.
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Glad these guys are having some success. I don't know why they are picked on for channeling Zeppelin. I mean, The Struts are another big band coming on lately, and they channel The Rolling Stones and Queen. Every band emulates their influences. Hell, all those 70s bands emulated stuff that came before them at first.
DT was called a Rush clone back in the day. Queensryche was called an Iron Maiden/Priest ripoff at first. You have to give bands a chance to grow and develop, which is, I know, something that doesn't happen much these days, sadly.
Greta Van Fleet seems like a young, hungry band who has a lot of talent, and a knack for writing a catchy melody and hook. Looking forward to seeing where their career goes.
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^^ Heck, Rush was deemed a Led Zeppelin clone with their self-titled debut and then they went all weird and had Neil do the lyric-writing and it worked out for the best. I do want to see if Greta Van Fleet can go beyond the reputation of being a "Zeppelin" clone and do something to challenge that perception.
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^^ Heck, Rush was deemed a Led Zeppelin clone with their self-titled debut and then they went all weird and had Neil do the lyric-writing and it worked out for the best. I do want to see if Greta Van Fleet can go beyond the reputation of being a "Zeppelin" clone and do something to challenge that perception.
I feel like they sound like LZ, but my brother says they sound like Rush. I just think they wear their influences on their sleeve. Their original, although similar, music is really good stuff. I just think it's nice to see people really enjoying rock music again. I feel like that's a rare thing these days and instead of harping on who they sound like we should support them to grow and bring more fans to the genre. I got to imagine most of the young people going to see GVF probably aren't even that familiar wtih the bands they sound like, maybe these people end up buying LZ albums and whatnot.
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I think one main difference between GVF and Rush or DT or whatever, is their level of popularity along with their level as a band.
When DT was called a Rush clone, and Rush was deemed a whatever clone, they were NOT very popular whatsoever. They did not get very popular until they started finding their own voice.
Greta Van Fleet is becoming VERY popular sounding like Led Zeppelin. Their managers and record company overlords will likely not give them much leeway in finding their own voice. Which is a shame.
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Greta Van Fleet is becoming VERY popular sounding like Led Zeppelin. Their managers and record company overlords will likely not give them much leeway in finding their own voice. Which is a shame.
I feel like this is a rare time where I am seeing a band who is super young just blow up in this scene and I really hope what you said doesn't become true. I'd hate to see this band go south because of shitty management. But I also think of things like ego and three brothers and one friend, like are these guys going to be able to keep it together long term? It will be interesting to see, I do hope the record label stays out of their music, but we all know how that goes.
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Looks like they are opening for Metallica during their South American leg, that's an interesting match up but pretty cool if you ask me.
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Saw them live last night.
Overall really good, but one one complaint is they stretched out the last 20 seconds of almost every single song and it was driving me insane. And it wasn't anything all that special, it was just teasing the ending to get the crowd to scream more. That's cool and everything to end a show or open a show, but it was like every god damn song and jesus, did it get old. It made the concert drag and by the end I was ready to go.
On a positive note, it is nice to see a band 100% in their prime, still giving 100% and full of energy.
And the Dude's voice is mental, and his ability to redline it for 2 hours strait is very impressive.
The vibe I got from how they were playing is that they are itching to do something more progressive on the next album, specifically with the new song? Black Flag exposition. A Longer more complex song and also more darker tone, which I am 100% down for.
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I was at the show last night, too. It started off with some great Philly cheese steak for me and my wife at a local establishment. Even the opener was enjoyable to watch and listen to. And, GVF was great. I never went back and watched that SNL performance everyone crucified them for. But, it must've been an off-night. Or, they've gotten WAY better. Because, they were on fire last night.
They did stretch out virtually every song's ending. The only time it really bothered me was when it turned into a drum solo. You don't do that with the LAST SONG (or maybe it was the 2nd to last, I can't recall for sure). To make matters worse, they had him backlit. So, he was indistinguishable in the light to see what the heck he was doing. Actually, that happened a lot where whoever was soloing was washed out in the stage lighting (no spotlights) and you couldn't see him.
As for the band itself, the players were great! Josh's voice was spot-on all night long. While I'm not the biggest fan of all his Plant mannerisms, he was incredible. The guy has some killer pipes. And, Jake's guitar playing was pretty sick. One of the highlights for me was watching Sam when he was behind the keyboards. Watching his feet go off on the bass pedals as he played the keys was awesome.
A few seats over from me in the upper balcony, there was a girl (probably in her mid-20's) going OFF, standing up, waving her arms and emphatically singing along with every song. She didn't let up all show long. It was great to see at a show.
Overall, it was a pretty good night for rock and roll.
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They did stretch out virtually every song's ending. The only time it really bothered me was when it turned into a drum solo. You don't do that with the LAST SONG (or maybe it was the 2nd to last, I can't recall for sure).
I agree a million percent. I almost screamed. That is the worst place in a set to put a drum solo and he aint no Neil Peart. And even if it was some world class drummer, I still wouldn't have been down for it. Encore is the time to wrap it up and bring it home guys.
One thing that didn't help was that I did general admission. I need to seriously stop doing that. You are so packed in and there's no escape. You leave to go get a drink and you lose your spot and I was dying for some water. So there was a strong sense of feeling trapped and wanting to get out.
But it was a kick ass show none the less.
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Glad you all enjoyed it, I had to sell my ticket yesterday because I've been sick and couldn't make it. Setlist.fm shows it as the same set they've been doing so I guess I didnt miss much at least, I thought being the second night and last show of the year that maybe they'd do something special like when they opened with Wild Thing at their biggest headlining show back in May that I went to in Queens.
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One thing that didn't help was that I did general admission. I need to seriously stop doing that. You are so packed in and there's no escape. You leave to go get a drink and you lose your spot and I was dying for some water. So there was a strong sense of feeling trapped and wanting to get out.
Considering I was up in the mezzanine and my wife bought the tix, I didn't even realize it had a GA floor until the show was over and we were at the merch booth. Overall, it was a pretty cool venue. Kinda reminded me of NYC's Hammerstein Ballroom.
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The Met Philly is beautiful, only seen one show there since it re-opened and really enjoyed it. I had GA for that show and it wasn't sold out so not too badly packed but I can imagine for last night it was probably tight. I typically like chilling in the back of GA anyway, there's a slight rise at the back of the floor so you can see above everyone and then not worry if you need a bathroom or drink break.
Also looks like my youtube "rival" (I love calling him that, this guy blows anything I put out away) was at the show and pretty much recorded the whole thing (as separate songs). I don't know how this guy is at like every concert in the area and always has top notch quality videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg_zdbwdh4c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg_zdbwdh4c)
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Hey, Phoenix... did the singer's stage presence come off as stiff and somewhat robotic to you? I can understand it when he's singing. But, when he's marching around on stage, he looks awkward and not always in sync with the music.
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Hey, Phoenix... did the singer's stage presence come off as stiff and somewhat robotic to you? I can understand it when he's singing. But, when he's marching around on stage, he looks awkward and not always in sync with the music.
It was a little on the awkward side, but I definitely appreciated his enthusiasm. He's still pretty young so I figure he become more comfortable with as time goes on.
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New song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGkTzk6SdKs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGkTzk6SdKs)
Weird music video, trying to pull off that 70s vibe a bit too much but it just looks cheesy. We get it, you guys are high :lol not a terrible song though, but nothing remarkable.
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I enjoyed both song and video. Be nice to be that age again.
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Hmm, I thought I posted in this thread a while back, but I guess not.
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New track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0JElRGazOM&feature=youtu.be
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New track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0JElRGazOM&feature=youtu.be
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Not crazy about the song, but I like how they are all together in the same room playing unlike a lot of the split screen stuff you see these days (which I understand given the pandemic) but just saying it's nice to see them all together. I mean it's three brothers and their friend so no surprise they are all sticking around together during this.
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Well I blind-bought their new album because the package/cover looked nice (derp) and I gotta say it’s actually pretty good. Broken Bells is a genuinely great song. Never thought I’d have anything positive to say about this band.
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Well I blind-bought their new album because the package/cover looked nice (derp) and I gotta say it’s actually pretty good. Broken Bells is a genuinely great song. Never thought I’d have anything positive to say about this band.
I really like the new album. It's very strong IMO. I didn't love the singles before the release, but they are really growing on me as well. The back half of the new album was what really sold me.
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Yeah, so this song is awesome and this album my surpass Gojira for my 2nd favorite release of 2021
Greta Van Fleet - Stardust Chords (Live) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRLHxpi6_iQ)
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So I bought their new album and I think it’s their best album so far. Like it a lot.
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I think the criticism Greta Van Fleet receives is unwarranted. Yes, they have a huge Zeppelin vibe. So what? Zeppelin was one of the best bands in the history of popular music. I absolutely loved The Battle at Garden's Gate. I bought Starcatcher, had it on in the background, but have yet to give it a deep listen.
Had tickets to see them, they postponed the show, and I couldn't make the rescheduled date, so as of yet, I haven't seen them live. Hoping that changes in 2024 or 2025. Great band.
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they just did a What's In My Bag?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z22oEXsO9Zo
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I think the criticism Greta Van Fleet receives is unwarranted. Yes, they have a huge Zeppelin vibe. So what? Zeppelin was one of the best bands in the history of popular music. I absolutely loved The Battle at Garden's Gate. I bought Starcatcher, had it on in the background, but have yet to give it a deep listen.
Had tickets to see them, they postponed the show, and I couldn't make the rescheduled date, so as of yet, I haven't seen them live. Hoping that changes in 2024 or 2025. Great band.
Yeah, the criticism is a bit odd. I aslo think they only really have one or two songs that sound like Zeppelin songs, but yeah, I think the singer and style fo the band is similar but who cares? 99% of bands wear their inspirations on their sleeve. Not sure why it's such a big deal here. My only guess is that they have had incredible success early and people :cough: Steven Wilson :cough: are jealous of that.
I'd totally recommend seeing them live too. Sucks it hasn't worked out for you yet, but when the time comes, you'll see for yourself just how good this band is. I've seen them 5 times now and the 6th is this fall in NYC. All those shows were incredible performances.
As for the new album, I have it but haven't given it listens yet. Soon.
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I think the criticism Greta Van Fleet receives is unwarranted. Yes, they have a huge Zeppelin vibe. So what? Zeppelin was one of the best bands in the history of popular music. I absolutely loved The Battle at Garden's Gate. I bought Starcatcher, had it on in the background, but have yet to give it a deep listen.
Had tickets to see them, they postponed the show, and I couldn't make the rescheduled date, so as of yet, I haven't seen them live. Hoping that changes in 2024 or 2025. Great band.
Yeah, the criticism is a bit odd. I aslo think they only really have one or two songs that sound like Zeppelin songs, but yeah, I think the singer and style fo the band is similar but who cares? 99% of bands wear their inspirations on their sleeve. Not sure why it's such a big deal here. My only guess is that they have had incredible success early and people :cough: Steven Wilson :cough: are jealous of that.
I'd totally recommend seeing them live too. Sucks it hasn't worked out for you yet, but when the time comes, you'll see for yourself just how good this band is. I've seen them 5 times now and the 6th is this fall in NYC. All those shows were incredible performances.
As for the new album, I have it but haven't given it listens yet. Soon.
I think it's the vocals. I love Rival Sons (their new album is great, by the way) and musically, they are at LEAST as influenced as Zeppelin (some of the tiffs are straight off of Physical Graffiti) but Jay Buchanan doesn't quite sound like Plant as much as the kid from GVF does, so they get the criticism. Both bands are excellent though.
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I think the criticism Greta Van Fleet receives is unwarranted. Yes, they have a huge Zeppelin vibe. So what? Zeppelin was one of the best bands in the history of popular music. I absolutely loved The Battle at Garden's Gate. I bought Starcatcher, had it on in the background, but have yet to give it a deep listen.
Had tickets to see them, they postponed the show, and I couldn't make the rescheduled date, so as of yet, I haven't seen them live. Hoping that changes in 2024 or 2025. Great band.
Because bands like that make me feel like there's nothing new in rock, and the best thing to do is just completely rehash the past (even to the point of dressing, sounding, and acting like them). I get it, reissues are fun; nostalgia has its time and place. But I just can't get excited about it for too long.
I guess rock and roll has been "cruise ship entertainment" for a long time now.
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I think the criticism Greta Van Fleet receives is unwarranted. Yes, they have a huge Zeppelin vibe. So what? Zeppelin was one of the best bands in the history of popular music. I absolutely loved The Battle at Garden's Gate. I bought Starcatcher, had it on in the background, but have yet to give it a deep listen.
Had tickets to see them, they postponed the show, and I couldn't make the rescheduled date, so as of yet, I haven't seen them live. Hoping that changes in 2024 or 2025. Great band.
Because bands like that make me feel like there's nothing new in rock, and the best thing to do is just completely rehash the past (even to the point of dressing, sounding, and acting like them). I get it, reissues are fun; nostalgia has its time and place. But I just can't get excited about it for too long.
I guess rock and roll has been "cruise ship entertainment" for a long time now.
ut there's a fine line, though. I'm generally with you - why listen to the copies when you have the originals - but sometimes (and this is Rival Sons to me) they tap into something intangible. I was driving from Rochester to home (5+ hours) and I put on Pressure and Time and Darkfighter from RS, and I had the window down, and it was primal. I didn't really care if the riff was a slight variation on something else, in that moment it moved me. I don't think everything has to be purely "original" to be able to connect.
On that note, there hasn't really been anything "new" in rock since 1965, really. Even the groundbreaking, legendary Beatles stuff was an offshoot of Dylan and the Beach Boys, just through a British filter.
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I think the criticism Greta Van Fleet receives is unwarranted. Yes, they have a huge Zeppelin vibe. So what? Zeppelin was one of the best bands in the history of popular music. I absolutely loved The Battle at Garden's Gate. I bought Starcatcher, had it on in the background, but have yet to give it a deep listen.
Had tickets to see them, they postponed the show, and I couldn't make the rescheduled date, so as of yet, I haven't seen them live. Hoping that changes in 2024 or 2025. Great band.
Because bands like that make me feel like there's nothing new in rock, and the best thing to do is just completely rehash the past (even to the point of dressing, sounding, and acting like them). I get it, reissues are fun; nostalgia has its time and place. But I just can't get excited about it for too long.
I guess rock and roll has been "cruise ship entertainment" for a long time now.
There's plenty of new things in rock, it's just not in this style or sound. And as Stadler mentioned Rival Sons, there's plenty of "new" bands that are doing stuff that sounds like rock from the past. Rival Sons actually opened for GVF last fall.
I really do wonder though if the haters have listened to a GVF album, vs. Highway Tune (their first hit, which is the one song that sounds the most like LZ) because the full album is very musically interesting, to me at least. Their last album, Battle at Gardens Gate is such a good album that goes way beyond just sounding like LZ. It was my album of the year and still holds very strong to me.
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Skeever,
Like Stads, I'm generally with you. But not in this case. They aren't cloning Zepp. They aren't copying. They are just playing and writing how they feel. There are similarities. It has happened through the history of music. My line is typically drawn when a band rips entire passages of songs off another band. That is not cool.
As my favorite songwriter and guitarist once said (paraphrase) "Nobody's original. Everyone is just uniquely derivative."
There's an organic feel to GVF that I really enjoy that gives me Zepp vibes. I dig it.
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The Tea Party sounds a fair amount like Zeppelin, but not to the point of almost copying songs or passages.
I've tried to recommend them to every one who is so into GVF, but rarely if ever do they say they checked The Tea Party out.
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In full disclosure, I haven't listened to the album.
What I know about it is from singles where I heard it on the radar or in a store and thought, "Ah, Zep" only to find out that it wasn't later on.
I'll definitely take the posts above under advisement, and give both bands a listen soon.
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The Tea Party sounds a fair amount like Zeppelin, but not to the point of almost copying songs or passages.
I've tried to recommend them to every one who is so into GVF, but rarely if ever do they say they checked The Tea Party out.
The Tea Party is a favorite of mine. Found out about them with Triptych. Been a fan ever since. Saw them on the Black River tour for the first time. Good comp to GVH. The Tea Party are a bit more refined and polished.