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Title: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on April 17, 2017, 10:58:28 AM
Since it's been going on recently some discussions on DTF about DT's next album, I've decided to make this thread to hear what you would like DT14 to sound like..
I've excluded a concept album as JP and JR confirmed that that isn't the right thing to do.

I am personally unsure whether to hear a Progressive record or an epic one.
I think I'll give the edge to prog..
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Post by: Architeuthis on April 17, 2017, 11:03:14 AM
I would like heavy and melodic.
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Post by: Sycsa on April 17, 2017, 11:46:43 AM
Definitely not epic, and keep the "prog" in check too, no 20 minute songs, no orchestras. Keep them around 5-7 minutes, with catchy melodies and choruses, groovy and heavy riffs. No overly mellow stuff either, keep the energy and powah flowing. Basically the opposite of The Astonishing. Also, get the production and Mike's drum sound right. Symphony X's Underworld is my favorite album of the past few years, something in that vein would please me. Some hard rock/bluesy elements like in FII would be nice too.
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Post by: MirrorMask on April 17, 2017, 11:57:20 AM
I voted Progressive, but I'd love a mix of more styles. More precisely, I'd like them to capitalize on what they achieved with this line-up so far:

- From Dramatic, I'd like to see the epics like Bridges in the Sky and Breaking All Illusions, with the instrumental sections not too wild and not too "Let's jam it out LTE style and whatever happens gets recorded".
- From the self titled, I'd like them to keep things concise and to the point.
- From The Astonishing, I'd like to see again the melody and the weird song structures. We got unique stuff like a full-band 2 minutes song and a crazy jazz outro only because a storyline demanded it. Do it for the hell of it, if they feel like writing another 2 minutes song or do something out of the field and never done before, just go for it.
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Post by: ToT-147 on April 17, 2017, 01:03:11 PM
Yeah, this time I'm with the vast majority here and want a heavy album in the vein of ToT.... although the fact that you're including SC as an example could scare some and make them vote for something else.. But for what I've been reading here and in fb's pages/groups the last couple of months, most want at least a heavier album that what they have done in the MM-era..

BUT, having said that and tbh, my true answer would be that I'll just be cool with whatever album they come up with.. My last wish after 3 albums of more than great music (I started listening to them in 2008) was around two years ago when I asked for a concept-experimental album and not only I got exactly that, but also, and more important, a handful of excellent songs with unbelievable songwriting style, so... as far as I'm concerned... do what you want this time.. Worst than a middle ranked album it can't be, I'm sure of that..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: devieira73 on April 17, 2017, 02:03:17 PM
I would like an album with the musical diversity and great melodies of TA, but with less "ballads", combined with the heaviness and longer intrumental sections of ToT and the "cool" virtuosity and lyrics of Awake and I&W. Am I asking too much?! ;D  :hat
Because of that, I couldn't chose one option above!
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on April 17, 2017, 02:07:02 PM
Definitely not epic, and keep the "prog" in check too, no 20 minute songs, no orchestras. Keep them around 5-7 minutes, with catchy melodies and choruses, groovy and heavy riffs. No overly mellow stuff either, keep the energy and powah flowing. Basically the opposite of The Astonishing. Also, get the production and Mike's drum sound right. Symphony X's Underworld is my favorite album of the past few years, something in that vein would please me. Some hard rock/bluesy elements like in FII would be nice too.

Yeah, something in the vein of DT12 I guess, very concise songs. However I would like to see at least one long song maybe in the vein of ITNOG or ES..

Since in DT12 there are three songs (TEI, TBP, BTV) in the key of E minor with the 7th string playing a B, in DT14, JP could use the 8 string guitar by writing songs with catchy choruses and groovy riffs in the key of B minor instead of E with the 8th string playing an F#. So yeah, I definitely would be satisfied in hearing an album in this vein.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on April 17, 2017, 02:08:42 PM
I would like an album with the musical diversity and great melodies of TA, but with less "ballads", combined with the heaviness and longer intrumental sections of ToT and the "cool" virtuosity and lyrics of Awake and I&W. Am I asking too much?! ;D  :hat
Because of that, I couldn't chose one option above!

Oh that's ok ;)

I should probably have written 'Heavy and virtuoso' instead of only 'heavy'. :metal
Whatever.....
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on April 17, 2017, 02:43:50 PM
I voted progressive, but, elaborating more on what I want for the next DT album, I would love to see these things:

- A couple 10 min songs or an epic
- More instrumental sections, but only if the song calls for it
- More experimental tracks (something like SDOIT disc 1)
- A little heavier (not TOT-like, but definitely heavier than TA)
- More instrument options by the DT members (fretless bass, chapman stick, 12 string guitar, baritone guitar, continuum, seaborard, other percussion)
- A couple special guests. Maybe a female vocalist, a very cool male vocalist or someone who plays an instrument none of the DT guys play.
- An external producer working with JP on the production.
- Lyrics by Myung and LaBrie
- A very technical instrumental (like TDOE or SOC)

Hope I'm not asking too much  :biggrin:
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: devieira73 on April 17, 2017, 02:59:19 PM
I would like an album with the musical diversity and great melodies of TA, but with less "ballads", combined with the heaviness and longer intrumental sections of ToT and the "cool" virtuosity and lyrics of Awake and I&W. Am I asking too much?! ;D  :hat
Because of that, I couldn't chose one option above!

Oh that's ok ;)

I should probably have written 'Heavy and virtuoso' instead of only 'heavy'. :metal
Whatever.....
All right, I voted progressive. The mix of that 3 albuns are the closest to what I'm asking. :tup
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: SeRoX on April 17, 2017, 03:01:49 PM
I wouldn't consider FII light, but I like that type of album again.
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Post by: Dublagent66 on April 17, 2017, 04:06:27 PM
Progressive Metal.  That's what Dream Theater usually does.  Well, not lately...
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: rumborak on April 17, 2017, 05:12:30 PM
I wouldn't consider FII light, but I like that type of album again.

That's my vote as well.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: JayOctavarium on April 17, 2017, 05:16:39 PM
I wanna hear the Harpeji on an album
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Post by: bosk1 on April 17, 2017, 05:17:56 PM
Then I would suggest an album by a harpejiist.
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Post by: erwinrafael on April 17, 2017, 06:34:13 PM
Something more metal because I want Mangini to go crazy.
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Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 17, 2017, 06:37:45 PM
Progressive. Another album like SDoIT would be perfect.
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Post by: jakepriest on April 17, 2017, 07:01:52 PM
I'd be up for another TOT-like album or a down-to-the-roots ADTOE one.

But honestly I'll take anything as long as it doesn't have a production that's anything like DT12 or TA.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: erwinrafael on April 17, 2017, 07:16:04 PM
What's wrong with TA's production?
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Phoenix87x on April 17, 2017, 07:20:54 PM
After TA, I want a hard swing in the opposite direction. I want a TOT kind of album. Hard hitting, strait to the point. No concept. Just a bunch of kick ass rocking songs.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Zook on April 17, 2017, 07:24:05 PM
I think I'd actually like another balls and chunk album like Train of Thought.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on April 17, 2017, 10:12:58 PM
I wanna hear the Harpeji on an album

I think Jordan ditched the Harpejji completely after a while of using it. At least, he recorded a solo with it on Raw Dog (which I still don't get why it gets so much hate, I like it more than most of BC&SL)  :biggrin:

I'd be up for another TOT-like album or a down-to-the-roots ADTOE one.


Well, Jordan said this on a recent interview (http://www.stereoboard.com/content/view/206672/9#.WO4A9O9Prgs.twitter) about the next album:

Quote
And, finally, what direction do you envisage the next Dream Theater album going in?

I feel like what’s going to happen, and we’ve kind of been talking about it, is revisiting what we feel is the core of who we are to bring back the global audience that enjoys Dream Theater. Something that will make the band really happy to play musically and something that will make all the fans be like, ‘This is what I love about Dream Theater’

So, my bet is the album is going to be like ADTOE or DT12, but a bit heavier  :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Polarbear on April 17, 2017, 11:26:43 PM
They should try to work with a producer again..

But i would like to hear a back to basics approach. A very stripped album, with as few overdubs as possible. Something in the vein of Counterparts from Rush.

And, try to record it live in studio.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: lucasembarbosa on April 18, 2017, 01:49:35 AM
A modern and heavier prog metal album in collaboration with Jens Bogren @ his studio in Sweden, where JLB recorded his two last solo albums. If JP's tending to use his 8-string prototype, I'm sure they can head to this direction.
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Post by: AngelBack on April 18, 2017, 09:38:14 AM
Progressive. Another album like SDoIT would be perfect.

Agreed.
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Post by: emtee on April 18, 2017, 09:56:07 AM
JR's comment is interesting. "Bring back the global audience"...Is the global audience in decline?

Also while I don't remember exact quotes I remember the band saying something similar about ADToE and especially DT12 where
they were saying something akin to 'this is who we are at the core and that is why we feel it should be self titled' and I think
they tried really hard to reach back to their roots while still experimenting a little. So my feeling is that with the exception of TA
they always try to be true to their core/roots and DT14 will be more of the same approach.

Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: erwinrafael on April 18, 2017, 10:21:21 AM
JR's comment is interesting. "Bring back the global audience"...Is the global audience in decline?

I think the context of the comment is the polarisation of TA to the DT fanbase, which is the topic in the previous questions.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: energythief on April 20, 2017, 09:10:55 PM
Where is SFAM in the list? I voted FII because of that absence.
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Post by: Devin Townsend on April 21, 2017, 04:48:32 AM
Blues




I ain't joking  :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Elite on April 21, 2017, 05:04:02 AM
I like DT best when they do what they do best. Give me a heavy progressive metal album. I voted the first option, but something like Awake, heavy, yet melodic, with intricate song structures and a nice change between short and long songs, would be fantastic.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on April 21, 2017, 05:08:43 AM
Where is SFAM in the list? I voted FII because of that absence.

I didn't include SFAM or TA as they said that their next album will not be a concept, but in terms of styles I include SFAM in progressive and TA in Melodic..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on April 21, 2017, 05:10:16 AM
Poll now updated.  ;)
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Post by: Zydar on April 21, 2017, 05:17:15 AM
After TA, I want a hard swing in the opposite direction. I want a TOT kind of album. Hard hitting, strait to the point. No concept. Just a bunch of kick ass rocking songs.

This. 
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kotowboy on April 21, 2017, 05:19:11 AM
I don't mind another "classic" Dream Theater a la Dramatic Turn of Events.

If the songs are all good and the instrumental passages aren't overly long...

I'd ideally want A Dramatic Turn of Events with the production of The Astonishing or Black Clouds but with really stand out songs :)

Plus a touch more heavy.  Maybe another album like DT12 but a bit less compressed and with a really good airy drum sound.

:)



... Maybe let Mangini co-produce his drum sound. 
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on April 21, 2017, 07:27:12 AM
[quote author=Kotowboy link=topic=50105.msg2308762#msg2308762 date=1492773551

I'd ideally want A Dramatic Turn of Events with the production of The Astonishing or Black Clouds but with really stand out songs

... Maybe let Mangini co-produce his drum sound.
[/quote]

As of a production standpoint this is a direction I would like to see as BC&SL is my favourite sounding album (and also one of my favourites in general).

It will also be interesting to see at least one song with lyrics by Mangini but I don't think it will happen, if it does I will be very happy.

 ;)
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 21, 2017, 07:30:10 AM
... Maybe let Mangini co-produce his drum sound.

That's an interesting idea. Not sure they'd do it, but it would be interesting.

A more likely scenario is JP co-producing with JR. That seems more likely to me, and would probably achieve a better, more balanced sonic production, just from having two points of view in the room rather than one.
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Post by: gzarruk on April 21, 2017, 10:52:53 AM
It will also be interesting to see at least one song with lyrics by Mangini but I don't think it will happen, if it does I will be very happy.

Would love to see that happening, but, sadly, it would only create more MP vs MM arguments  :-\


A more likely scenario is JP co-producing with JR. That seems more likely to me, and would probably achieve a better, more balanced sonic production, just from having two points of view in the room rather than one.

That's the route I thought they would take when Portnoy left. It made sense because Jordan is the one who is always using the latest software and technology to achieve better sounds, so definitely he knows a thing or two about producing an album, since he also produces his own stuff, but no, JP decided to produce all the albums by himself, instead.

We're already 3 albums in and this hasn't happened, so I really doubt it will. However, I do remember an Jordan saying it would be cool to work with an external producer when he was asked about it on an interview (couldn't find the link), but that was around 2013, before DT12 was out, so It doesn't seem like it'll happen anytime soon  :sad:
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kotowboy on April 21, 2017, 01:41:26 PM
... Maybe let Mangini co-produce his drum sound.

That's an interesting idea. Not sure they'd do it, but it would be interesting.

A more likely scenario is JP co-producing with JR. That seems more likely to me, and would probably achieve a better, more balanced sonic production, just from having two points of view in the room rather than one.

Being a producer / engineer - I cant imagine Rich Chycki not throwing his 2c in now and again.
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Post by: kaos2900 on April 21, 2017, 01:46:42 PM
I'd love something in the vein of SDOIT. I think that album had the perfect combination of all their sounds.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: RoeDent on April 21, 2017, 01:53:36 PM
Does Mangini have a pre-DT history of lyric writing?

It's kind of a shame that most answers here involve wanting an album similar to one they've done in the past, yet people moaned about ADTOE being too I&W-esque. Then when DT did do something different with The Astonishing, people moaned at that. So you can't win with many people. Whatever DT do, it will be awesome*. There should be absolutely no doubt about that now. They've exceeded expectations every time, and they are on fire right now.

*Although DT calling it quits and not making DT14 will be considerably less awesome.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on April 21, 2017, 02:20:16 PM
Does Mangini have a pre-DT history of lyric writing?

It's kind of a shame that most answers here involve wanting an album similar to one they've done in the past, yet people moaned about ADTOE being too I&W-esque. Then when DT did do something different with The Astonishing, people moaned at that. So you can't win with many people. Whatever DT do, it will be awesome*. There should be absolutely no doubt about that now. They've exceeded expectations every time, and they are on fire right now.

*Although DT calling it quits and not making DT14 will be considerably less awesome.

Totally agree. DT never disappoints, even their "bad" albums are good  :laugh:
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: rumborak on April 21, 2017, 09:32:46 PM
I would love it if they did a really complicated song again like TDOE. Especially I feel MM could bring some wicked rhythms into this.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: TheCountOfNYC on April 22, 2017, 01:55:18 AM
I would love it if they did a really complicated song again like TDOE. Especially I feel MM could bring some wicked rhythms into this.

While I would hate to hear them outdo TDoE as I feel that it has earned its place as their most rhythmically complex piece of music, I would love to hear what crazy polymetric music they could create with Mangini in the fold. I feel like the 19/16 over 12/8 section of Illumination Theory was only the tip of the iceberg as far as Mangini's rhythmic genius goes and I would love to hear how far he can go with his polyrhythmic abilities.
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Post by: phospheneSOI on April 22, 2017, 03:55:19 AM
I'd like to hear more of the jazzy/electronica/experimental moments from TA but it to sound nothing like TA.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: rumborak on May 04, 2017, 05:05:02 PM
Random thought: I noticed that at least for DT, ballads and odd rhythms seem to be mutually exclusive. That is, their softer songs almost never feature prog aspects. Something like Hang 11 would be awesome again.
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Post by: Devin Townsend on May 04, 2017, 05:26:10 PM
I want a really laid back and loose record this time round, they need a chance to open up again
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: nikatapi on May 05, 2017, 02:27:17 AM
I would love it if they did a really complicated song again like TDOE. Especially I feel MM could bring some wicked rhythms into this.

That would be very cool. The little glimpses we got (Illumination Theory for example) made me very excited. With a proper, organic sound (and louder cymbals so we can hear his dynamics) it would be awesome to see what they can come up with.

Another thing i would like to see, is DT to get back to their more rocking sound, i feel like after BC&SL they try to be more cinematic and epic, but it has become a little tiring lately. Just some rocking vibe, like SDOIT (1st disc) or FII, or even Awake, would be so nice, and i feel Mike can be a very groovy and powerful part in that.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kotowboy on May 05, 2017, 03:04:14 AM
I would love it if they did a really complicated song again like TDOE. Especially I feel MM could bring some wicked rhythms into this.

While I would hate to hear them outdo TDoE as I feel that it has earned its place as their most rhythmically complex piece of music, I would love to hear what crazy polymetric music they could create with Mangini in the fold. I feel like the 19/16 over 12/8 section of Illumination Theory was only the tip of the iceberg as far as Mangini's rhythmic genius goes and I would love to hear how far he can go with his polyrhythmic abilities.

There's that section in Outcry which is more or less that.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Peter Mc on May 05, 2017, 06:17:04 AM
I ticked the prog box but I'm really looking for a melodic progressive metal album in the vein of Images & Words and Scenes From A Memory, really catchy melodic songs with prog metal riffs and virtuoso musicianship (but not at the expense of the song).  I'm hoping for a more collaborative effort with more input from Myung and Mangini this time around.

Would love to see them shake up the production and mixing a bit but can't see that happening and will likely be JP and RC again on those duties.  If David Prater is still about, I would love to see him have another go!

All in all, I'm sure whatever they do will be great but would be great if they took their time and crafted another classic album which allowed Mangini to really shine.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on May 05, 2017, 10:43:54 AM
I would love it if they did a really complicated song again like TDOE. Especially I feel MM could bring some wicked rhythms into this.

While I would hate to hear them outdo TDoE as I feel that it has earned its place as their most rhythmically complex piece of music, I would love to hear what crazy polymetric music they could create with Mangini in the fold. I feel like the 19/16 over 12/8 section of Illumination Theory was only the tip of the iceberg as far as Mangini's rhythmic genius goes and I would love to hear how far he can go with his polyrhythmic abilities.

There's that section in Outcry which is more or less that.

I would love to see something like that on the next album  :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: erwinrafael on May 07, 2017, 09:14:02 AM
Random thought: I noticed that at least for DT, ballads and odd rhythms seem to be mutually exclusive. That is, their softer songs almost never feature prog aspects. Something like Hang 11 would be awesome again.

This is the Life is in odd meter. The Bigger Picture is not a ballad, but it is relatively softer and it uses odd meters.

Anyway, looks like the fan response to The Astonishing means going back to the core sound again:

http://www.thenationalstudent.com/Music/2017-04-28/future_to_past_an_interview_with_dream_theater.html

Sigh.

Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: the_silent_man on May 07, 2017, 01:26:10 PM
Personally, I would like to see longer songs return in the 8-12 min range with some crazy proggy instrumental sections. I understand what they were going for on the last two albums (and I enjoyed them greatly) but to me DT is at its best with the longer songs.

Also, less ballads. Ideally just one. They used to write excellent ballads (the silent man, spirit, wait for sleep) but lately they are, generally speaking, the weaker songs on their albums and have become a constant criticism from casual fans.
 
Overall, like many others, i would like to see a more collaborative effort and, in particular, lyrics from Labrie and Myung. I also feel the lyrics have regressed slightly on the last two albums after improving on ADTOE.

Anyway, that's just my wish list. I'm sure it varies greatly from many others  ;)

Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: lucasembarbosa on May 07, 2017, 02:46:36 PM
Although I wish DT would write heavier songs in the next album, I don't know if JLB could handle the aggressiveness in vocals as he did in SC/BC&SL... Like it or not, it's been at least 10 years. If the overall sound gets heavier but keeps James' voice melodic and in his middle-range/comfort zone, it would be perfect IMO.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: JLa on May 09, 2017, 05:22:56 AM
I want it to be a good one!  ;D

Seriously though, they are all good. Some albums click better with me than others, but I can't really say why. I guess it's all down to the melodies, highly subjective and you can't write the same song twice.

TA didn't click at all, however. So, if I should wish for something specific, it would be "no more musicals". And I hope they nail the production this time. There's just this "something" that irks me with how DT albums sound in general. Awake stands out for me, that one sounded great to my ears, so more Awake-style mixing please!
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mirko_metal_88 on May 09, 2017, 09:16:40 AM
I wish it will be the exact opposite of what TA is, honestly :P

i guess they'll go more in an "heavy" direction...just saw a video interview "The Capt Meets The Mighty John Petrucci" where JP says he'll may be using an 8 strings on the record
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on May 09, 2017, 09:31:01 AM
I want it to be a good one!  ;D

Well, you said it as a joke, but in the end isn't this what we all want? music is subjective and deeply personal and not to be predicted by scientific formulas, the same way one can, say, like redheads and then fall for a brunette. Regardless of how we wish the next album to be, we'll all like it or dislike it according on what the actual songs will sound to our ears.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on May 09, 2017, 01:38:24 PM
I wish it will be the exact opposite of what TA is, honestly :P

i guess they'll go more in an "heavy" direction...just saw a video interview "The Capt Meets The Mighty John Petrucci" where JP says he'll may be using an 8 strings on the record

Wow, that's a hell-long interview ahah. Where does he exactly mentions the 8 string? :angel:
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on May 09, 2017, 03:52:43 PM
I wish it will be the exact opposite of what TA is, honestly :P

i guess they'll go more in an "heavy" direction...

But this aren't wishes or guesses anymore.. They have confirmed it'll be that way..

I want it to be a good one!  ;D

Well, you said it as a joke, but in the end isn't this what we all want? music is subjective and deeply personal and not to be predicted by scientific formulas, the same way one can, say, like redheads and then fall for a brunette. Regardless of how we wish the next album to be, we'll all like it or dislike it according on what the actual songs will sound to our ears.

Agreed 100%..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: red barchetta on May 09, 2017, 07:59:41 PM
Random thought: I noticed that at least for DT, ballads and odd rhythms seem to be mutually exclusive. That is, their softer songs almost never feature prog aspects. Something like Hang 11 would be awesome again.

This is the Life is in odd meter. The Bigger Picture is not a ballad, but it is relatively softer and it uses odd meters.

Anyway, looks like the fan response to The Astonishing means going back to the core sound again:

http://www.thenationalstudent.com/Music/2017-04-28/future_to_past_an_interview_with_dream_theater.html

Sigh.

At  least they noticed TA divided the fan base. Probably like never before.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: KevShmev on May 09, 2017, 09:21:14 PM


Anyway, looks like the fan response to The Astonishing means going back to the core sound again:

http://www.thenationalstudent.com/Music/2017-04-28/future_to_past_an_interview_with_dream_theater.html

Sigh.

I don't see the issue with that.  I read that as Rudess saying that they will bring the balance back.

For example, ADTOE was a very balanced record.

DT12 leaned much more to their heavy sound than most other albums (I think most would agree that it is one of their three heaviest albums, alongside Awake and ToT).

The Astonishing leaned much more to their conceptual side, while not being heavy really at all.

Saying they will return to their core sound, to me, means they will bring back the balance of light and heavy, metal and prog.  I get that some will call that playing it safe, but the band doesn't have to reinvent the wheel on every album. ;)
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on May 09, 2017, 10:57:13 PM
I'd say that BC&SL is much heavier than Awake, and, definitely, DT12.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: erwinrafael on May 10, 2017, 02:25:39 AM


Anyway, looks like the fan response to The Astonishing means going back to the core sound again:

http://www.thenationalstudent.com/Music/2017-04-28/future_to_past_an_interview_with_dream_theater.html

Sigh.

I don't see the issue with that.  I read that as Rudess saying that they will bring the balance back.

For example, ADTOE was a very balanced record.

DT12 leaned much more to their heavy sound than most other albums (I think most would agree that it is one of their three heaviest albums, alongside Awake and ToT).

The Astonishing leaned much more to their conceptual side, while not being heavy really at all.

Saying they will return to their core sound, to me, means they will bring back the balance of light and heavy, metal and prog.  I get that some will call that playing it safe, but the band doesn't have to reinvent the wheel on every album. ;)

The sigh is more of I was hoping they would put out an album that is not based on fan reaction. Then again, they are a band that relies heavily on touring for their livelihood, so they must be quite sensitive to fan reaction during shows.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Peter Mc on May 10, 2017, 06:10:58 AM
I don't think The Astonishing was ever going to be the future direction of the band, regardless of the reaction to it, which was always going to be divided, that didn't surprise anyone.  TA was a one-off "project" for me, something JP wanted to do and got JR involved, not really a band project.  In fact I almost don't consider it to be a standard DT album, more of a musical theatre piece.

No surprise that they will go back to their tried and trusted path on the next album but, as I say, I don't think it is a reaction to the fan response to TA, much of which is actually very positive by the way, just what they always intended.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: erwinrafael on May 10, 2017, 08:10:51 AM
Did you read the interview?
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: TAC on May 10, 2017, 08:17:05 AM
I did, and I hope the band is not as defeated or resigned as JR's quotes come off in this interview.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on May 10, 2017, 01:40:02 PM
I hope the band is not as defeated or resigned as JR's quotes come off in this interview.

I don't see any "resignation"; and even if the interview shows a bit of it, that's only about how Jordan feels, not "the band"..

But even he is saying this:

<<We’re not going to be doing another concept album for the next album. I think it’s more about getting back to our roots, if you will. I think the fans are more hungry for a Dream Theater album that is more towards the ‘core’ of Dream Theater, whatever that means. It’s up to us to decide what we think that is. That’s where our heads are at right now.>>

As obvious as it may seem, they do what they want, as they've almost* always done..

*FII..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: TAC on May 10, 2017, 03:07:02 PM
I hope the band is not as defeated or resigned as JR's quotes come off in this interview.

I don't see any "resignation"; and even if the interview shows a bit of it, that's only about how Jordan feels, not "the band"..

But even he is saying this:

<<We’re not going to be doing another concept album for the next album. I think it’s more about getting back to our roots, if you will. I think the fans are more hungry for a Dream Theater album that is more towards the ‘core’ of Dream Theater, whatever that means. It’s up to us to decide what we think that is. That’s where our heads are at right now.>>


I bolded a different part of the quote. I feel like JR might be frustrated. Frustrated is probably not the right word..that's too strong. But resigned? Beaten?
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kotowboy on May 10, 2017, 03:13:02 PM
Tone doesn't come thru in print.

He may have simply meant they're going to try and figure out what their "signature" sound is...

not like "we're going to make a classic DT album...Whatever THAT is...::)"

more like " We want to make an album with the core DT sound...and we're gonna figure out what that is :) "



I know it's not likely but an album with the feel of Scenes thru Octavarium again would be amazing.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: TAC on May 10, 2017, 03:46:21 PM
Tone doesn't come thru in print.

Yeah, I understand that. That quote though caught me off guard.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Peter Mc on May 11, 2017, 07:03:40 AM
Did you read the interview?

Sorry, I didn't see that interview but I have read it now and it doesn't really change things for me, I'm sure Jordan actually said in interviews prior to the release of TA that it may be polarising, especially to the more metal end of DT's fanbase.  It cannot be a surprise to them how it's been received, I knew straight away that some fans were going to hate the record, what may be a surprise to them is how many DT fans love the record, some even calling it their best ever. 

It's clear from his interviews over the years that Jordan is not a metal fan and he prefers the more prog side of Dream Theater.  If he had his way then maybe TA would be indicative of where he wants the band to go.  It is not up to him though, it is really going to be JP who decides what happens next and he is a metal fan, not to the extent that Portnoy was, but a fan nonetheless.  I really don't think it was ever in doubt that he would bring the metal back on this album whether or not TA was a success.  He would never do back to back albums like TA as he would know that fans, even those who enjoyed TA like me, would not want that.  Most DT fans enjoy the mixture of metal, prog and melody that the band gives us.  We like the big riffing songs, the virtuoso musicianship, the catchy melodies all rolled into one.  Train of Thought was ok as a one off but I would not want DT to just do really heavy stuff all the time, TA was ok as a one off but I would not want them to just do that soft metal ballad type stuff all the time.

The next album will be a reaction to TA to the extent that JP will not want to do the same again but it will not be a knee-jerk reaction to some fans not liking TA as they would always have been prepared for that as it was so different to anything they've done before.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: bosk1 on May 11, 2017, 09:09:56 AM
With or without this interview, I'm not sure how anyone could have realistically expected that the direction for the album after The Astonishing could have been anything but what Jordan described. 
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Samsara on May 11, 2017, 09:37:38 AM
I'd like them to just all sit in a room together, including James, to scat over stuff, and put together 10 or 11 songs as a group, with a continued focus on being concise. But just something organically written by all of them together.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: rumborak on May 11, 2017, 09:54:28 AM
I'd like them to just all sit in a room together, including James, to scat over stuff

And who is supposed to clean that up?
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: hefdaddy42 on May 11, 2017, 10:10:39 AM
lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Adami on May 11, 2017, 10:11:09 AM
I'd like them to just all sit in a room together, including James, to scat over stuff

And who is supposed to clean that up?

Oh you Germans.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Sir GuitarCozmo on May 11, 2017, 11:10:10 AM
If they re-recorded I&W and called it DT14, that'd work for me.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on May 11, 2017, 12:19:26 PM
I'd like them to just all sit in a room together, including James, to scat over stuff, and put together 10 or 11 songs as a group, with a continued focus on being concise. But just something organically written by all of them together.

But that's what they did with most of DT12 and some songs of ADToE, right?..

It's clear from his interviews over the years that Jordan is not a metal fan and he prefers the more prog side of Dream Theater.  If he had his way then maybe TA would be indicative of where he wants the band to go.  It is not up to him though, it is really going to be JP who decides what happens next and he is a metal fan, not to the extent that Portnoy was, but a fan nonetheless.  I really don't think it was ever in doubt that he would bring the metal back on this album whether or not TA was a success.

The next album will be a reaction to TA to the extent that JP will not want to do the same again but it will not be a knee-jerk reaction to some fans not liking TA as they would always have been prepared for that as it was so different to anything they've done before.

Yeap, all of this..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: bosk1 on May 11, 2017, 01:02:52 PM
I'd like them to just all sit in a room together, including James, to scat over stuff, and put together 10 or 11 songs as a group, with a continued focus on being concise. But just something organically written by all of them together.

But that's what they did with most of DT12 and some songs of ADToE, right?..

I wish my memory was as good as Scotty's.  It isn't, so I might be off here.  But as I recall, for ADTOE, the four of them absent Mangini got together, putting together ideas mostly composed by JP and JR.  For DT12, if I remember correctly, James was not present, but otherwise it was kinda the same thing:  the other four put the songs together from ideas mostly composed by JP and JR. 

I think what Samsara is describing is the five of them getting together with FEW pre-composed pieces and just jamming out ideas together to see what comes out, and all of them working together to put the songs themselves together based on what comes out of that. 

But as far as I know, they haven't used that approach in a long time.  That's basically the approach that JM was referring to in the WDADRU commentary that they had long since moved on from.  And even in the early days, it didn't involve the vocalist.  They made it clear in the Majesty and early-DT days that that is not what they wanted the vocalist to do.  The vocalist's role was not to write the music; that was to be left to the instrumental musicians.  The vocalist's role was to [paraphrasing; and in order of priority/frequency] perform the vocal melodies after the song had been written, to sometimes write some vocal melodies, and to occasionally offer some limited input into the song-writing.  That was the model.  That is, as I understand it, a big part of why James became somewhat disengaged during the writing process for SFAM, even though he was physically there, and spent more of his time doing things like being outside playing basketball than sitting in the studio not doing anything while the guys were writing.  That's part of what led to them telling him that they DID want him to be present and be more engaged (among other things) in the SDOIT era. 
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: rumborak on May 11, 2017, 03:45:54 PM
Going back to Samsara's comment, I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that between ADTOE and DT12, the former is the more popular one. However, given that DT12 was actually the one closer to Samsara's idea of an ideal writing session, it's clear that that approach doesn't necessarily correlate with the "quality" of it.
In my perception, JP and JR have been at the songwriting helm for so long, it probably doesn't matter who else is in the room. It's kinda like identical twins who complete each other's sentences at this point.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on May 11, 2017, 04:06:32 PM
being outside playing basketball

That always gets me.. :lol

Btw, thanks for your reply..

Going back to Samsara's comment, I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that between ADTOE and DT12, the former is the more popular one. However, given that DT12 was actually the one closer to Samsara's idea of an ideal writing session, it's clear that that approach doesn't necessarily correlate with the "quality" of it.
In my perception, JP and JR have been at the songwriting helm for so long, it probably doesn't matter who else is in the room. It's kinda like identical twins who complete each other's sentences at this point.

Yeah, I think I was about to add that too in my previous comment.. With MP things were different, and he (don't know about JM) did contribute a lot to the whole JP/keyboard player's way of composing almost every time.. And what an album they did when they decided to improvised more than usual and bring an entire album in three weeks!.. But that was then; nowadays I supose you're right.. I'm not sure if an album composed by the five (more or less 20% each) would be better than one made 70% -or more- by JR and JP, just like the last three albums were..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: bosk1 on May 11, 2017, 04:08:15 PM
Going back to Samsara's comment, I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that between ADTOE and DT12, the former is the more popular one. However, given that DT12 was actually the one closer to Samsara's idea of an ideal writing session, it's clear that that approach doesn't necessarily correlate with the "quality" of it.

If your assumption is true about which album is more popular, that is a REALLY interesting observation. 

In my perception, JP and JR have been at the songwriting helm for so long, it probably doesn't matter who else is in the room. It's kinda like identical twins who complete each other's sentences at this point.

I think that is probably true to a point.  But I still see value to having the others in the room as well for this simple reason:  Sometimes, it only takes something small to take a song from good to great.  The JP/JR combination alone might not stumble upon that one small thing on their own.  But maybe they are playing something pretty cool, and JM in turn launches into a uber cool bass line that only came up because he was there in the moment rather than writing a bass line after the fact.  Or maybe Mangini plays a drum pattern JP wouldn't have thought of, and that inspires JP to add certain little flourishes he otherwise wouldn't have thought of.  You just never know. 

But I know I'm sort of preaching to the choir when I say that it is probably optimal to have everyone present during the entire thing.  I know a lot of bands simply don't function that way, and DT seems like a band that can function that way or not and still put out a level of quality that they and most fans are generally happy with, so... :dunno:
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: rumborak on May 11, 2017, 05:06:27 PM
If I had to take a guess at what could make things more varied, I think it would be if they gave themselves more time with their songs. If you look at ACOS and its evolution, you see they revised a lot of things, constantly improving on the tune. I think if they wrote songs on the road, people like MM and JM could add ideas after having dwelled on things for a bit.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: KevShmev on May 11, 2017, 05:17:18 PM
Call me crazy, but to me songwriting should be something that happens organically, not on a schedule.

"Hey fellas, we are scheduled to write today between 1 and 5, so let's hop to it."

Now, I get that some of my favorite bands have written great songs when writing "on a schedule," but it seems like DT had this rule for a while that "we go into the studio with nothing and all write together," which seems like a goofy way of writing songs. 

"Hey John, I know that melody you brought in sounds pretty awesome, but you wrote it on your own without the rest of us around, so chuck it."
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Adami on May 11, 2017, 05:25:11 PM
Call me crazy, but to me songwriting should be something that happens organically, not on a schedule.

"Hey fellas, we are scheduled to write today between 1 and 5, so let's hop to it."

Now, I get that some of my favorite bands have written great songs when writing "on a schedule," but it seems like DT had this rule for a while that "we go into the studio with nothing and all write together," which seems like a goofy way of writing songs. 

"Hey John, I know that melody you brought in sounds pretty awesome, but you wrote it on your own without the rest of us around, so chuck it."

But how long ago did they have that rule? Even as far back as BCSL, John was bringing in completed songs.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on May 11, 2017, 09:25:04 PM
Call me crazy, but to me songwriting should be something that happens organically, not on a schedule.

"Hey fellas, we are scheduled to write today between 1 and 5, so let's hop to it."

Now, I get that some of my favorite bands have written great songs when writing "on a schedule," but it seems like DT had this rule for a while that "we go into the studio with nothing and all write together," which seems like a goofy way of writing songs. 

"Hey John, I know that melody you brought in sounds pretty awesome, but you wrote it on your own without the rest of us around, so chuck it."

But how long ago did they have that rule? Even as far back as BCSL, John was bringing in completed songs.

Beneath the Surface was another song fully written by JP, which he brought to the band after a while.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Adami on May 11, 2017, 10:21:47 PM
Call me crazy, but to me songwriting should be something that happens organically, not on a schedule.

"Hey fellas, we are scheduled to write today between 1 and 5, so let's hop to it."

Now, I get that some of my favorite bands have written great songs when writing "on a schedule," but it seems like DT had this rule for a while that "we go into the studio with nothing and all write together," which seems like a goofy way of writing songs. 

"Hey John, I know that melody you brought in sounds pretty awesome, but you wrote it on your own without the rest of us around, so chuck it."

But how long ago did they have that rule? Even as far back as BCSL, John was bringing in completed songs.

Beneath the Surface was another song fully written by JP, which he brought to the band after a while.

Yea, I think just about every album since BCSL has had a JP only song. Dunno about DT12 though.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: nikatapi on May 12, 2017, 02:49:06 AM
Yeah it seems like a very structured process. I'm really wondering how much input JM has at the recent albums, even though DT12 had some cool JM & MM moments. More of that would be very welcome.

Also, i kind of miss JP's jazzy, more fusion style that up until SDOIT was coming up at points. After that, he seems to have gotten more rock-metal oriented with his playing and writing style. Getting these influences back would be certainly interesting to see.

Finally, as many of us keep saying, MM seems to be underutilized and his sound doesn't do justice to his playing. Hopefully this time we'll get a more organic and dynamic sound. Guitar can be turned down a bit to give way to MM's cymbal intricacies in the mix.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: genome on May 12, 2017, 02:54:12 AM
Call me crazy, but to me songwriting should be something that happens organically, not on a schedule.

"Hey fellas, we are scheduled to write today between 1 and 5, so let's hop to it."

Now, I get that some of my favorite bands have written great songs when writing "on a schedule," but it seems like DT had this rule for a while that "we go into the studio with nothing and all write together," which seems like a goofy way of writing songs. 

"Hey John, I know that melody you brought in sounds pretty awesome, but you wrote it on your own without the rest of us around, so chuck it."

Yes and no, they are a business after all, so they have to keep this ticking over on a fairly regular basis.

Sometimes it's good to limit yourself with a schedule. There's less chance of becoming perfectionist and overthinking things, or going back and constantly tweaking arrangements or riffs.

If you leave all the time in the world to write, you end up like Tool.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on May 12, 2017, 03:10:27 AM
It may also come down to their lifestyle. They're no longer hungry kids with all the afternoons free to jam endlessly, they're family men with obligations and children to take care of; they may not even want to dedicate that much time to write and compose away from the setting where they're used to do it, the actual studio.

At a certain point even if the passion remains, as undoubtely the guys still all have, it becomes a job. Like football players, sure they must love to kick that ball, but would they be up, after so many weekly trainings and international matches, to play on a day off an entire match in the courtyard like street kids do?
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: KevShmev on May 12, 2017, 06:09:00 AM
Good points.  I suspect JP and JR have almost always come to the studio armed with riffs and melodies they had come up with on their own, that they then formed into songs once the band was together and the songwriting process took on a more official stance.



But how long ago did they have that rule? Even as far back as BCSL, John was bringing in completed songs.

I think that was the rule on one or two of the albums in the 00s, IIRC.



Finally, as many of us keep saying, MM seems to be underutilized and his sound doesn't do justice to his playing. Hopefully this time we'll get a more organic and dynamic sound. Guitar can be turned down a bit to give way to MM's cymbal intricacies in the mix.

Honestly, I''l be stunned if that happens.  They are 0-3 so far in getting a great sound out of Mangini's drums, and it's hard to believe they will suddenly figure it out.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 12, 2017, 06:16:17 AM
Honestly, I''l be stunned if that happens.  They are 0-3 so far in getting a great sound out of Mangini's drums, and it's hard to believe they will suddenly figure it out.

I tend to agree, unfortunately at this point, really nailing a great drum sound for MM would be a pleasant surprise.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Samsara on May 12, 2017, 07:38:39 AM


I think what Samsara is describing is the five of them getting together with FEW pre-composed pieces and just jamming out ideas together to see what comes out, and all of them working together to put the songs themselves together based on what comes out of that. 

But as far as I know, they haven't used that approach in a long time.  That's basically the approach that JM was referring to in the WDADRU commentary that they had long since moved on from.  And even in the early days, it didn't involve the vocalist.  They made it clear in the Majesty and early-DT days that that is not what they wanted the vocalist to do.  The vocalist's role was not to write the music; that was to be left to the instrumental musicians.  The vocalist's role was to [paraphrasing; and in order of priority/frequency] perform the vocal melodies after the song had been written, to sometimes write some vocal melodies, and to occasionally offer some limited input into the song-writing.  That was the model.  That is, as I understand it, a big part of why James became somewhat disengaged during the writing process for SFAM, even though he was physically there, and spent more of his time doing things like being outside playing basketball than sitting in the studio not doing anything while the guys were writing.  That's part of what led to them telling him that they DID want him to be present and be more engaged (among other things) in the SDOIT era.

yes, what bosk is saying is exactly what I meant.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: JaceTestify on May 12, 2017, 12:38:08 PM
I think 8VRM and Train of Thought merged together would be a great album...
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on May 12, 2017, 01:42:39 PM
I think 8VRM and Train of Thought merged together would be a great album...

I agree. OVM needs better songs and TOT needs to be more balanced/softer songs.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on May 12, 2017, 03:50:43 PM
Now, I get that some of my favorite bands have written great songs when writing "on a schedule," but it seems like DT had this rule for a while that "we go into the studio with nothing and all write together," which seems like a goofy way of writing songs. 

"Hey John, I know that melody you brought in sounds pretty awesome, but you wrote it on your own without the rest of us around, so chuck it."

So wait, this was really a thing?... Because I remember JP saying in several occasions that he always record whatever -good- idea that comes to mind (which I think is an obvious and almost necessary thing to do btw).. It's safe to say that JR does the same... And I'm sure those kind of ideas are involved afterwards in the actual process of creating the songs.. So they do write "together" (mostly JP and JR) but also separately, whether it be complete songs or just ideas.. What percent belongs to which one would be the thing to know..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kotowboy on May 12, 2017, 05:48:10 PM
Honestly, I''l be stunned if that happens.  They are 0-3 so far in getting a great sound out of Mangini's drums, and it's hard to believe they will suddenly figure it out.

I tend to agree, unfortunately at this point, really nailing a great drum sound for MM would be a pleasant surprise.

Well his drum sound has improved with each album.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Adami on May 12, 2017, 05:54:30 PM
Honestly, I''l be stunned if that happens.  They are 0-3 so far in getting a great sound out of Mangini's drums, and it's hard to believe they will suddenly figure it out.

I tend to agree, unfortunately at this point, really nailing a great drum sound for MM would be a pleasant surprise.

Well his drum sound has improved with each album.

Agree about TA. I'd actually call ADTOE to DT12 a downgrade in drum sound.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: jakepriest on May 12, 2017, 06:00:11 PM
Honestly, I''l be stunned if that happens.  They are 0-3 so far in getting a great sound out of Mangini's drums, and it's hard to believe they will suddenly figure it out.

I tend to agree, unfortunately at this point, really nailing a great drum sound for MM would be a pleasant surprise.

Well his drum sound has improved with each album.

Agree about TA. I'd actually call ADTOE to DT12 a downgrade in drum sound.

Definitely, I love the ADTOE drum sound actually. It is a bit raw and I guess "weak" but the drums themselves actually sound pretty nice.
DT12 toms and kick sound triggered, cymbals sound like they are all paper thin 14" splashes and the discussion about the snare has been beaten to death, so I won't even start that.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: JaceTestify on May 12, 2017, 06:46:38 PM
Honestly, I''l be stunned if that happens.  They are 0-3 so far in getting a great sound out of Mangini's drums, and it's hard to believe they will suddenly figure it out.

I tend to agree, unfortunately at this point, really nailing a great drum sound for MM would be a pleasant surprise.

Well his drum sound has improved with each album.

Agree about TA. I'd actually call ADTOE to DT12 a downgrade in drum sound.

Definitely, I love the ADTOE drum sound actually. It is a bit raw and I guess "weak" but the drums themselves actually sound pretty nice.
DT12 toms and kick sound triggered, cymbals sound like they are all paper thin 14" splashes and the discussion about the snare has been beaten to death, so I won't even start to that.

Yes! Finally! I thought I was the only one... :)))
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: bosk1 on May 15, 2017, 09:16:27 AM
I haven't had a problem with the drum sound on any of the albums (although I do miss the MP "punch" at times).  For me, it's more that the cymbals are buried and almost inaudible on the first two.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on May 15, 2017, 11:04:49 AM
I haven't had a problem with the drum sound on any of the albums (although I do miss the MP "punch" at times).  For me, it's more that the cymbals are buried and almost inaudible on the first two.

True, even I think there isn't a bad-sounding DT album in recent days but I find TA's drum sound to be more balanced than their previous two.. I think that this is the sound they should go with the drums in DT14, or maybe they could hit us with a diverse sound, more punchier, as following the heavy direction they seem to take on the next record.  :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kotowboy on May 15, 2017, 01:27:47 PM
I haven't had a problem with the drum sound on any of the albums (although I do miss the MP "punch" at times).  For me, it's more that the cymbals are buried and almost inaudible on the first two.

I think on DT12 they sounded a bit muddy and lacking in space. Not a lot of room sound.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: red barchetta on May 15, 2017, 06:28:11 PM
Went jogging today. As I like to hear my breathing and foot pacing, I don't run a lot with earplugs and music along the way but today I did and it was with the album ADTOE. What a great album. Love the sound of the drums and I often noticed the great bass playing by JM. Just hoping that these two get a better sound and presence in the mix.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Peter Mc on May 16, 2017, 06:43:32 AM
Now, I get that some of my favorite bands have written great songs when writing "on a schedule," but it seems like DT had this rule for a while that "we go into the studio with nothing and all write together," which seems like a goofy way of writing songs. 

"Hey John, I know that melody you brought in sounds pretty awesome, but you wrote it on your own without the rest of us around, so chuck it."

So wait, this was really a thing?... Because I remember JP saying in several occasions that he always record whatever -good- idea that comes to mind (which I think is an obvious and almost necessary thing to do btw).. It's safe to say that JR does the same... And I'm sure those kind of ideas are involved afterwards in the actual process of creating the songs.. So they do write "together" (mostly JP and JR) but also separately, whether it be complete songs or just ideas.. What percent belongs to which one would be the thing to know..

I very much doubt they went in with nothing, I seem to remember a JR interview around the time of the SDOIT sessions where he was saying that he was upset as most of the stuff he was bringing in was being rejected and it was difficult to get in between Mike and JP when they were in full on metal Pantera mode.  I think people would have brought some stuff in but not fully formed songs (apart from Wither obviously) so it would be like "hey listen to this riff" and then they would jam some stuff out and see what happened.

With regards to the stuff about it being all JP/JR since Mike left, I do remember JM commenting in the ADTOE sessions that he was enjoying sitting down with JP like the old days and coming up with riffs and stuff so he was certainly involved in the writing of that album, how involved I don't know obviously but it sounded like he was more involved than he had been on previous recent albums.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pax on May 24, 2017, 11:13:58 AM
Since I'm into Genesis very much lately, I'd love some very progressive stuff that's also melodic

But with long songs culminating to the epic parts DT is famous for (ITPOE the reckoning, for example)
Also, heavyness here and there is ok, wasn't there for a while
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on May 24, 2017, 01:19:32 PM
Since I'm into Genesis very much lately, I'd love some very progressive stuff that's also melodic

I actually listened to Genesis today, Watcher of the Skies as I was trying to find a song with an epic-majestic intro similar to Under a Glass Moon.
Nice profile picture by the way..  :tup
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: WDADU on May 24, 2017, 07:57:06 PM
I think they should go full-on polka. Twin Lakes Polka; Domavougi Polka---AKA Kiss Me Polka; Polka Twist...

Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Sycsa on May 29, 2017, 04:32:10 PM
DT planting seeds for next album: http://teamrock.com/news/2017-05-29/dream-theater-14th-album-2018
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Architeuthis on May 29, 2017, 08:33:25 PM
Earlier in this thread I was kind of hoping for a really heavy album. Now I'm torn, I'd almost like to see them tap into their more Pink Floydish/Rush type influences. I still wouldn't mind heavy, but not cheese-heavy like some bands do..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on May 30, 2017, 12:00:34 AM
DT planting seeds for next album: http://teamrock.com/news/2017-05-29/dream-theater-14th-album-2018

Well, he doesn't exclude the possibility for an epic long song.

Interesting stuff..  :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on May 30, 2017, 01:02:25 AM
Why any interviewer would ask a band if they're planning a concept album right after they released a concept album? the second one in 30 years of carrer and out of 13 albums. It's not like they ever had an habit of doing a concept every now and then.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: WDADU on May 30, 2017, 09:41:18 AM
I guess it's because Scenes from a Memory is often considered their best record---or one of them, at least---therefore, they automatically assume if they released another concept album, it would be just as great as Scenes. I agree with James, though. Something like A Change of Seasons or "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" in terms of a long song divided into parts could be cool.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: PixelDream on May 30, 2017, 10:51:51 AM
I want to hear some more character in the drums and in the way they sound. I'm not a fan of the sterile production at all. I'd love to hear some mojo in that department. Real performances. Let there be a mistake. Let there be some natural tempo fluctation. It's all so rigid nowadays.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on May 30, 2017, 11:22:14 AM
I agree with James, though. Something like A Change of Seasons or "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" in terms of a long song divided into parts could be cool.

I personally hope more for an Awake / Dramatic template for the album (as in songs length and number, not style). 2-3 10 minutes songs or slightly longer.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Bertielee on May 30, 2017, 11:23:24 AM
I want to hear some more character in the drums and in the way they sound. I'm not a fan of the sterile production at all. I'd love to hear some mojo in that department. Real performances. Let there be a mistake. Let there be some natural tempo fluctation. It's all so rigid nowadays.

You know you will never hear that in studio,right?
Otherwise, agree with you, and this rigidness has begun with SC, or even 8vm for me.

B.Lee
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Nomaniac on May 30, 2017, 04:17:16 PM
Cool idea for a poll!

I voted progressive, because the four albums you listed in that category have to all be in my top 5 dream theater albums, and as much as I loved the new approach they had in The Astonishing, it would be really cool to hear another example of the IAW, SFAM variety.

That being said, whatever they put out for DT14, I'll appreciate. DT will always be DT, and whether they go back to the classics or keep pushing their horizons I'll be rockin' out to it.  :)  :metal
 
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Volante99 on May 30, 2017, 07:34:11 PM
At this point they need to do one of two things:

A) They need to make a balls to the wall heavy record. Crank it to 11, huge riffs, crazy unison solos, and a raw(er) production. No ballads, no chimes, no cheesy female narrated lyrics. Show the world that you actually have some balls left without Portnoy. This would also benefit Mangini because, at the end of the day he's a much better metal drummer than he is a progressive drummer. All the songs should be about 8-11 minutes long and melt your face off.

B) Try to make a truly progressive album. I know at this point in their careers it's hard to be innovative but bands like Haken, Riverside, hell even Steven Wilson are all doing more interesting things with their art. This might be blaspheme but they should get a producer who understands what DT is about (i.e. not Desmond Child) who could help reign them in and help them reach their artistic goals. There were small slivers of prog greatness in TA but it was covered in 2 hours of cheese, and a limp production. They need some help in the studio.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on May 30, 2017, 08:40:18 PM
No, they don't need to do anything..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: wolfking on May 30, 2017, 09:09:54 PM
I would like an album that is the polar opposite of TA.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kotowboy on May 31, 2017, 04:32:39 AM
I would like an album that is the polar opposite of TA.

Why would you want a shit album ?
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Sycsa on May 31, 2017, 04:32:49 AM
I would like an album that is the polar opposite of TA.
The Unimpressive?
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: the_silent_man on May 31, 2017, 06:38:44 AM
Personally, I agree with Volante99's first point. I think this is absolutely the way to go and I miss the heavy riffs and crazy instrumental sections and longer song structures. At the end of the day, that, to me, is the essence of what makes DT DT. And tbh, that is what they excel at. They used to pull off ballads very well, but lately the lyrics just aren't up to scratch for a convincing, emotional ballad. At least you can get away with cheesy lyrics in a metal context. Just my opinion, of course. I enjoyed both the self titled and Astonishing but with shorter songs and limited instrumental passages I feel they were drifting from what made them unique and special in the first place.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: bosk1 on May 31, 2017, 07:58:09 AM
Personally, I agree with Volante99's first point. I think this is absolutely the way to go and I miss the heavy riffs and crazy instrumental sections and longer song structures. At the end of the day, that, to me, is the essence of what makes DT DT. And tbh, that is what they excel at. They used to pull off ballads very well, but lately the lyrics just aren't up to scratch for a convincing, emotional ballad. At least you can get away with cheesy lyrics in a metal context. Just my opinion, of course. I enjoyed both the self titled and Astonishing but with shorter songs and limited instrumental passages I feel they were drifting from what made them unique and special in the first place.
Interesting that you say that because, while I have not really ever been a fan of DT's ballads (with a few exceptions here and there), I think some of the ballads of the Mangini era have been fantastic and easily some of the best they have ever written. 

That said, as to the points in Volante's post, yeah, we already know from the band that they plan to go in a heavier direction on the next album, so that's a given.  That still doesn't mean we won't get anything softer at all.  They always include a softer song or two.  Even TOT had the soft, albeit dark, Vacant.  So, yeah, we'll get heavy.  And we'll still likely get a ballad or two.  And it'll most likely be awesome.  No reason to believe otherwise.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 31, 2017, 08:13:49 AM
I would like an album that is the polar opposite of TA.

It seems like from comments made by the band, you might get just that.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: YtseJamittaja on May 31, 2017, 09:03:55 AM
Just take Jens Bogren to produce and mix it and I don't mind what kind of album it is. All Jens's produced albums sound so fresh and good.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: nikatapi on May 31, 2017, 12:16:13 PM
Just take Jens Bogren to produce and mix it and I don't mind what kind of album it is. All Jens's produced albums sound so fresh and good.

Even though Jens' productions tend to sound quite similar, they are in fact pretty awesome.
David Bottrill also tends to make great sounding albums.

Let's hope we get a good mix this time with organic sounds.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 31, 2017, 12:31:24 PM
I think at this point bringing in an outside producer seems unlikely. A new engineer on the other hand, would be a nice change of pace. I might have said this before but I'd actually love it if they hired Nolly Getgood from Periphery. He was a big part of the engineering and production on PIII and it's easily one of the best sounding modern metal records I've ever heard. Instrumentation balance is great throughout, the drums are big and punchy with great cymbal sound, guitars are big and heavy but there's still room in the mix for the bass (and they use lower guitar tunings than DT), and there is actually a fair amount of keyboard/string stuff mixed in with all that as well. He also did the latest Devin album and it sounds fantastic as well.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kotowboy on May 31, 2017, 12:46:09 PM
* Recorded live in the studio. Put the cabs in a seperate room but have everyone playing at once.

* Rehearse the absolute sh*t out of the songs and record like 20 takes. That way by take 18 or 19 you're being more spontaneous because the song is so ingrained in you

and the song sounds less robotic like if you recorded one at a time with no room for improv or spontaneity.

* Don't over compress everything. Do minimal overdubs.


Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: skipreid on May 31, 2017, 01:15:33 PM
I would like an album that is the polar opposite of TA.

Me and you both brother.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on May 31, 2017, 02:03:30 PM
I think at this point bringing in an outside producer seems unlikely. A new engineer on the other hand, would be a nice change of pace. I might have said this before but I'd actually love it if they hired Nolly Getgood from Periphery. He was a big part of the engineering and production on PIII and it's easily one of the best sounding modern metal records I've ever heard. Instrumentation balance is great throughout, the drums are big and punchy with great cymbal sound, guitars are big and heavy but there's still room in the mix for the bass (and they use lower guitar tunings than DT), and there is actually a fair amount of keyboard/string stuff mixed in with all that as well. He also did the latest Devin album and it sounds fantastic as well.

This.

I would be very happy to see either Jens or Nolly engineering/mixing the next album. Nothing against Chycki, but a change there would be nice.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kotowboy on May 31, 2017, 02:45:59 PM
I'd love an album exactly like The Astonishing for all of those who act like it was "obviously" the worst album by the band.

For all of us that loved it - we'd be quite happy thanks. :hat
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on May 31, 2017, 02:52:49 PM
Another I want - a nice package.

Dramatic Turns was just fine, nice booklet.

The self titled was avalaible when it was new only in the digipack format, and the booklet was glued to the case.

The Astonishing yet again has the digipack glued, the most banal and standard font, and white lines on white background on.

Give me a booklet I can read and I can hold in my hands! From time to time when I have nothing to do I take out CDs and just go through the package and the booklet, some are just so well done that even turning the pages like a mini book you relive the album in a minute or two. It sucks I can never sit down and just flip through The Astonishing because the damn thing is glued to the digipack and it's written in small Arial anyway.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: lucasembarbosa on May 31, 2017, 04:53:49 PM
Just listened to the new He Is Legend album, mixed by Nolly. It's incredible how he CANNOT, even if he wanted, to make a band sound bad. And he tends to be less homogeneous in his productions like Jens. Jens' recent works with Sepultura and  Angra were awesome as well!
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on May 31, 2017, 07:21:47 PM
I'd love an album exactly like The Astonishing for all of those who act like it was "obviously" the worst album by the band.

For all of us that loved it - we'd be quite happy thanks. :hat

I still LOVE TA and consider it one of their best albums, but I don't really want them to make a similar album for DT14.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: wolfking on May 31, 2017, 10:10:53 PM
I would like an album that is the polar opposite of TA.

Why would you want a shit album ?

I don't, that's why I want an album that's nothing like TA.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: wolfking on May 31, 2017, 10:14:26 PM
I'd love an album exactly like The Astonishing for all of those who act like it was "obviously" the worst album by the band.

For all of us that loved it - we'd be quite happy thanks. :hat

Are people not allowed to have a difference in opinion?  IMO TA is my least fav DT album, and I ain't acting bro. 

I'm pleased for people that liked it, and comend the band for doing something new and different, but I hated it.  I would never say it's 'obviously' their worst album also, that just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 01, 2017, 06:51:07 AM
Another I want - a nice package.

Who doesn't want a nice package?
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Polarbear on June 01, 2017, 10:08:02 AM
I'd love an album exactly like The Astonishing for all of those who act like it was "obviously" the worst album by the band.

For all of us that loved it - we'd be quite happy thanks. :hat

Are people not allowed to have a difference in opinion?  IMO TA is my least fav DT album, and I ain't acting bro. 

I'm pleased for people that liked it, and comend the band for doing something new and different, but I hated it.  I would never say it's 'obviously' their worst album also, that just doesn't make sense.

I don't think there is a more polarizing album in DT discography than TA, not even Falling into Infinity. I'm cool with it. It has it's moment, though few and far between.

I'd really like them to go back to basics with this new one!

Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 01, 2017, 02:19:56 PM
I'd love an album exactly like The Astonishing for all of those who act like it was "obviously" the worst album by the band.

For all of us that loved it - we'd be quite happy thanks. :hat

Well, from the looks of the poll results, there aren't very many of you.  That could be considered a blessing.  :rollin
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kotowboy on June 01, 2017, 03:49:37 PM
Don't prove my point or anything.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 01, 2017, 04:09:57 PM
What point?  That you wish DT would put out another album like TA just to spite the majority of fans that don't like it?
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Mosh on June 01, 2017, 06:08:14 PM
I'd love an album exactly like The Astonishing for all of those who act like it was "obviously" the worst album by the band.

For all of us that loved it - we'd be quite happy thanks. :hat
Horrible reason to make an album.

I wish they would do the opposite: never mind what the fans think or any obligation to make a "core" DT album. No preconceived directions, just write what comes naturally. Every DT album since signing to RR has felt extremely contrived. Sometimes it works for them, but a lot of it comes off forced.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on June 01, 2017, 07:39:18 PM
I wish they'd return to the spirit (not style) of albums like Awake, SFAM and SDOIT, where they where trying to push their ideas as far as they could take them. On the first disk of SDOIT they where "experimenting" with different kinds of underlying atmospheres they could fit into their traditional band setup and gave each song room to breath. Awake was dark and very musically fluid, they where drawing from many places but the where consistent and effective in how it manifested, it was also a really dark and personal record. SFAM was an exercise in building 75 minutes of music around a bunch of simple themes and melodies, which led them to quite unusual and dissonant riffs (as hinted in Metropolis pt 1), I wish they would mix it up more like on that record; you got simple chordal writing, higher register riffs, highly chromatic instrumental sections, a larger sense of structure in which instrumental sections form an extension of previously referenced motifs, a constant sense of pacing (continually developing story) and a playfulness of styles (as seen in beyond this life and TDOE).

DT COULD do it again but I don't feel as though they're in the mindset to take a step back and think about things from a broader perspective again.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: LCArenas on June 02, 2017, 12:16:35 AM
wewell seeing that they released the astonishing as a prog rock album but in the more melodic side, without much of the prog elements i wish they would delve into the more prog side this time. thughto be honest i think there is a better chance that they release a heavy album sinc ehtye havent done it in a long time (Is bc%sl a heavy albym???) a good train of thought II would be a good idea but that was mostly mike portnoy's idea so i don't think it's that possible but i still have hope. JLB's voals in 'IN THE NAME OF GOD' are amazing and I wish he would repeat it more often. I understiand him though it's not easy to kkepp the same vocal proweess along the years


so as a matter of conclusion i think the best thing is that they release whatever they feel to release. rest assured itll be good. i guarantee it. If i Had to pick an album as 'the next X' that they would release I feel SDOIT would be a good album to repeat.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on June 02, 2017, 02:30:18 AM
Well, for sure I would call Black Clouds heavy, obviously it's not heavy from start to finish but you can't say it has not many heavy elements.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ariich on June 02, 2017, 02:50:38 AM
The poll options don't really make sense to me. I see SDOIT and Awake as heavier than SC, and for some reason the two-disc rock opera is under "melodic" rather than "prog".

But anyway, I'm potentially in something heavier this time, but I don't mean DT12 which I know some people see as heavy but I really didn't bar a couple of songs. Something more concise and crunchy all round, but obviously still in balance like all their albums are.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on June 02, 2017, 07:42:27 AM
The poll options don't really make sense to me. I see SDOIT and Awake as heavier than SC, and for some reason the two-disc rock opera is under "melodic" rather than "prog".

I was unsure whether to put Awake on Progressive or Heavy, you're right about being it heavier than SC. I think I would have inverted them but I've put Awake on progressive because of the huge variety of songs. On SC I just considered songs like TDEN and CM as the 'heavy' songs which make the album 'heavy' without considering that this is the same album of Repentance and TMOLS, so my bad!  :facepalm:

Speaking of TA I think that the fact this album has a lot of ballads, this makes the album more focused on the 'melodic side' of DT.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on June 02, 2017, 01:34:06 PM
I still don't get why many fans ask for another TOT. I mean, they're going to make a heavier album for DT14, and I love it, but why should they make a "let's just write heavy songs just for the sake of writing heavy songs"kind of album? TOT has great songs, but if you analyze the album as a whole, it lacks balance, imo. There's a lot of fast, heavy songs and only one soft/melodic song (two, if you count the first part of ES).

About the experimentation they had on previous albums, I completely agree, a more experimental/broader album would be perfect.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: wrighty on June 02, 2017, 02:40:42 PM
For me, the 'Golden Age' of DT is SFAM to 8V, so I'd like to see a return to something like one of them.  I don't think SFAM can be reproduced, so perhaps for DT14 something like Octavarium?
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on June 02, 2017, 09:29:12 PM
For me, the 'Golden Age' of DT is SFAM to 8V, so I'd like to see a return to something like one of them.  I don't think SFAM can be reproduced, so perhaps for DT14 something like Octavarium?

I find OVM to be extremely overrate, so I don't want another album like that  :biggrin:
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: JaceTestify on June 03, 2017, 05:25:50 PM
Maybe so, but I still hold that, 8VRM and TOT merged together would make an amazing album...
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on June 03, 2017, 05:58:19 PM
Maybe so, but I still hold that, 8VRM and TOT merged together would make an amazing album...

Not a bad idea actually!  :o

A bunch of heavy downtuned songs combined with more epic and neo-progish influenced tracks..interesting!
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on June 03, 2017, 06:10:32 PM
Maybe so, but I still hold that, 8VRM and TOT merged together would make an amazing album...

Not a bad idea actually!  :o

A bunch of heavy downtuned songs combined with more epic and neo-progish influenced tracks..interesting!

That would work :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: wolfking on June 04, 2017, 05:46:05 AM
Don't prove my point or anything.

What is your point?  The band should purposely go out of their way to alienate a large chunk of their fans and hurt their career?  Makes sense, and seems like a smart thing for the band to do.........
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: BanksD on June 04, 2017, 09:23:38 AM
I definitely would like to see something that's a bit of a change of pace from a compositional standpoint. Of course I don't expect them to go back to the level of experimentation of 6DOIT or SFAM, but it would nice to see them break their current mold some. However if there's one thing I feel like I can rely on DT to do is to do what they want to do, which is quite respectable.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: jakepriest on June 04, 2017, 07:21:46 PM
Two 20+ minute epics and one shorter rocker + two ballads in the vein of Transatlantic would be pretty fun to see from DT.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on June 04, 2017, 07:50:26 PM
Two 20+ minute epics and one shorter rocker + two ballads in the vein of Transatlantic would be pretty fun to see from DT.

They kinda already did that with Black Clouds
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Zook on June 04, 2017, 09:01:57 PM
How about 'A Change Of Seasons', 'Octavarium', 'Learning To Live', 'Pull Me Under' and 'The Glass Prison'... all on one album.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Adami on June 04, 2017, 09:05:01 PM
How about 'A Change Of Seasons', 'Octavarium', 'Learning To Live', 'Pull Me Under' and 'The Glass Prison'... all on one album.

Well.....that would definitely be a silver lining.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on June 04, 2017, 10:35:31 PM
How about 'A Change Of Seasons', 'Octavarium', 'Learning To Live', 'Pull Me Under' and 'The Glass Prison'... all on one album.

And it was the biggest disappointment  :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Bertie_Wooster on June 04, 2017, 10:55:31 PM
I would like to hear some sloppy playing from JP. Kind of
Like "stone in love" by Journey.   Go with a vintage sound like Neal Schon
Or Tom Scholz from Boston.   Try to get Nuno Bettencourt' Guitar sound
From  both "III sides to every story" and "waiting for the punchline"
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 05, 2017, 10:47:03 AM
Don't prove my point or anything.

What is your point?  The band should purposely go out of their way to alienate a large chunk of their fans and hurt their career?  Makes sense, and seems like a smart thing for the band to do.........

Yeah, I know.  Why would they want to do that......again?


How about 'A Change Of Seasons', 'Octavarium', 'Learning To Live', 'Pull Me Under' and 'The Glass Prison'... all on one album.

And it was the biggest disappointment  :lol

Not in this lifetime or any other for that matter.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Chino on June 05, 2017, 10:48:27 AM
I'd be completely content with a dozen ballads and a 12 minute instrumental.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 05, 2017, 10:50:00 AM
How about 'A Change Of Seasons', 'Octavarium', 'Learning To Live', 'Pull Me Under' and 'The Glass Prison'... all on one album.

And it was the biggest disappointment  :lol

Not in this lifetime or any other for that matter.

Huh? You thought BC&SL lived up to that hype? I certainly didn't  :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 05, 2017, 01:16:39 PM
I didn't say anything about BC&SL.  Where did you get that from?   :rollin
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on June 05, 2017, 01:51:33 PM
I didn't say anything about BC&SL.  Where did you get that from?   :rollin

That's what MP used to describe it, and, no, it didn't live up to the hype at all  :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 05, 2017, 01:53:22 PM
I didn't say anything about BC&SL.  Where did you get that from?   :rollin

Because that's what the conversation was about...?

MP teased BC&SL before the album was released as an album having ACOS, 8V, LtL, PMU, and TGP all on the same album.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 05, 2017, 02:36:54 PM
Well, he was just teasing.  :lol :rollin :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on June 05, 2017, 06:08:24 PM
Amazingly for me, the result was even better than what those 5 songs already were..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ariich on June 06, 2017, 02:31:39 AM
Nothing could have lived up to that ridiculous hype, obviously. But I thought, and still do, that BCSL was a solid album.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on June 06, 2017, 02:54:18 AM
Am I the only one who took that as a description of the album and nothing else? like, "here's an album with two epics, one heavier like ACOS and one more proggy like Octavarium, of course there will be the last song of the 12 Steps and we'll have a catchy song and a proggy one", not literally "OMG we'll have songs awesome exactly like those!!!!!!"
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: SeRoX on June 06, 2017, 03:51:05 AM
Upps wrong thread...
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 06, 2017, 07:19:34 AM
Well, he was just teasing.  :lol :rollin :lol

Ummm, okay... That wasn't really the point, you didn't seem to get the reference, so I was just explaining it to you.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 06, 2017, 09:01:08 AM
I got it.  My point is, don't believe the hype and you won't be disappointed.  Regardless of what MP said, BC&SL wasn't a disappointment.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: bosk1 on June 06, 2017, 09:13:14 AM
I feel it was a disappointment, BOTH because it did not live up to the hype, AND independently because it just wasn't as good as most other DT albums.  It was still a good album.  But to me, it wasn't up to par with the standards they had set. 
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 06, 2017, 09:17:06 AM
I feel it was a disappointment, BOTH because it did not live up to the hype, AND independently because it just wasn't as good as most other DT albums.  It was still a good album.  But to me, it wasn't up to par with the standards they had set.

This.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 06, 2017, 10:12:32 AM
That sounds like how I would describe TA, not BC&SL.  But whatever...
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 06, 2017, 10:31:06 AM
That sounds like how I would describe TA, not BC&SL.  But whatever...

That's fair, everybody's got their own flavors.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: pantsofeternity on June 07, 2017, 04:06:10 PM
I'm not sure if I should vote for the adjective I want, or the "similar albums" parenthetical list I want, because I just don't parse these categorizations the same way.  Not to make a dig at the OP, of course; the poll is ancillary to what is a perfect thread subject for discussion... for better or worse! :)

I'm a big fan of a lot of the compositional choices they made on TA, and I'm sure in the end they will go in whatever direction is interesting to them, as is any artist's prerogative, but I definitely agree with the calls to bring in an outside producer.

I'm not here to speculate on how JP performs behind the scenes in that role (especially vis-a-vis pre- and post-MP) -- the production is right there on the albums, and to each one's own judgment of the results.  It's more of a "mix it up" mentality; even without trying to read into imagined band dynamics, it's common sense that dialing back the production role would free up JP to focus on other areas, and that would lead to a different creative process than they've had in a while.  It's also good to have an outside voice in there -- someone who can challenge the band without creating tensions within it (and in fact, as an outside force, probably strengthen the intra-band feels).
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: LCArenas on June 07, 2017, 06:53:49 PM
How about 'A Change Of Seasons', 'Octavarium', 'Learning To Live', 'Pull Me Under' and 'The Glass Prison'... all on one album.
What was supposed to be the equivalent to Learning to Live? Wither?  :rollin
(Don't get me wrong, I like Wither, but, uh, you know)
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on June 07, 2017, 09:08:41 PM
I'm a big fan of a lot of the compositional choices they made on TA, and I'm sure in the end they will go in whatever direction is interesting to them, as is any artist's prerogative, but I definitely agree with the calls to bring in an outside producer.

I'm not here to speculate on how JP performs behind the scenes in that role (especially vis-a-vis pre- and post-MP) -- the production is right there on the albums, and to each one's own judgment of the results.  It's more of a "mix it up" mentality; even without trying to read into imagined band dynamics, it's common sense that dialing back the production role would free up JP to focus on other areas, and that would lead to a different creative process than they've had in a while.  It's also good to have an outside voice in there -- someone who can challenge the band without creating tensions within it (and in fact, as an outside force, probably strengthen the intra-band feels).

This.

How about 'A Change Of Seasons', 'Octavarium', 'Learning To Live', 'Pull Me Under' and 'The Glass Prison'... all on one album.
What was supposed to be the equivalent to Learning to Live? Wither?  :rollin
(Don't get me wrong, I like Wither, but, uh, you know)

 :lol I thought the equivalent to LTL was TBOT, not Wither, but still doesn't work :P

To me, what MP was trying to say was:

- ACOS / ANTR
- OVM / TCOT
- PMU / AROP
- TGP / TSF

Wither would be the "extra" song.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on June 08, 2017, 01:05:05 AM
Yeah, I think in his mind he saw it as:

A Nightmare to Remember like A Change of Seasons, a "heavy" epic
A Rite of Passage like Pull Me Under, an anthemic tune
The Shattered Fortress like The Glass Prison, no need to even explain it
The Best of Times like Learning to Live, a long song with an I&W feel (and the "real" start of the song kinda has it)
The Count of Tuscany like Octavarium, a more proggy epic with a spacey and dreamy interlude
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Dublagent66 on June 08, 2017, 09:02:43 AM
 :lol  I'm pretty sure MP was referring to overall musical themes when mentioning those songs.  You guys are doing a one to one song comparison.  I don't think that was the main idea.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on June 08, 2017, 02:24:34 PM
Either way, I don't think his description was very accurate  :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: CB on June 08, 2017, 03:39:04 PM
I got it.  My point is, don't believe the hype and you won't be disappointed.  Regardless of what MP said, BC&SL wasn't a disappointment.

True, especially when the hype comes from MP! I didn't believe his hype about the latest Neal Morse album and I like it (the music, the religious content escapes me).

I wasn't at all disappointed with BC&SL, not my favorite but I still love listening to it (I admit I love TCOT). And it had the great cover songs as bonus, especially Stargazer and the Queen songs.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: LCArenas on June 08, 2017, 08:20:17 PM
Oh. Yeah,  the Best of times Makes a bit more sense as a LtL equivalent. They're light years apart from each other... But TBOT is still a very good song. Overall my current ranking would be TCOT>TBOT>Wither>ANTR>AROP>TSF.

And to add something more on-topic: has MM said anything about wanting to get more into the music composition process... Or even writing lyrics for DT's next albums?
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on June 08, 2017, 08:50:50 PM
And to add something more on-topic: has MM said anything about wanting to get more into the music composition process... Or even writing lyrics for DT's next albums?

About the composition, yes, he's said it many times, there's even an MM interview controversy thread about that here on DFT  :lol
About lyrics, nah, he's never been asked about that (that I know).
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mikeyd23 on June 09, 2017, 07:08:47 AM
And to add something more on-topic: has MM said anything about wanting to get more into the music composition process... Or even writing lyrics for DT's next albums?

About the composition, yes, he's said it many times, there's even an MM interview controversy thread about that here on DFT  :lol
About lyrics, nah, he's never been asked about that (that I know).

Yeah pretty much that. He has been very, very blunt about wanting to be a part of the composition and arrangement process more, but I have't heard him mention lyrics that I can remember.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MoraWintersoul on June 09, 2017, 10:03:47 AM
Just listened to TA in full and proper today. I feel like it's time for them to lighten up a bit. Everything from Octavarium onwards was so heavy and difficult to listen to - either with demanding and massive albums lengths, grimdark atmospheres, or technical up the wazoo... when this is the time in their career that they should be winding down a bit. There's already some younger bands doing classic Dream Theater better than Dream Theater (compare sth like The Mountain to ADTOE), going heavy was never their forte, and they can't be more innovative and progressive than other bands in this scene either without mixing in some stuff that's waaaaay out of the left field for them.

It's time for some lightness and whimsy and cheese and personal opinions in lyrics and influences shining through, but not the same old sides of the same old influences. DT12 was a fine step in that direction, but they had to go off and have another single-album experiment after that.

Most of their career post-Awake consisted of single album experiments (FII, SDoIT was supposed to be one, ToT, DT12 with the shortness of the songs to some extent, TA full on) and doubling down on classic DT when they feel like they need to reconnect to their audience (SFAM, O8, ADTOE), when you think about it. Which is fine, because when they went "let's just write an album" twice post-O8, the response was mixed. The problem is that the experimental albums don't change all that much in the riffage, the vocal melodies, the lyrics, the structures - this was the first time some of it changed, but it probably won't be carried forward, because it was a musical and you can't keep touring it.

So idk. They will probably whip out another reconnection album again, they're on the schedule for one. But I can't imagine what new things they'll have to say on that if everyone gets even less of a contribution than on ADTOE.

Edit: Tell you what I don't want though. Yes, I do want an outside producer, but I don't know about Jens Bogren. He has produced quite a lot of proggy albums since 2013 with good results, but I don't see them working together any more than I see them with someone like Steven Wilson. I am not sure I want Mangini lyrics because I don't even know if he has ever written them before, that would be like saying you want Jordan's lyrics. I don't want anything from the 90's to come back, apart from the whimsy I mentioned. Those were records made by a very different lineup in a very different time in different circumstances, saying I'd like the heaviness of Awake doesn't make any sense. DT still does heavy, but their heavy now is The Enemy Inside-heavy.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on June 09, 2017, 01:20:03 PM
Just listened to TA in full and proper today. I feel like it's time for them to lighten up a bit. Everything from Octavarium onwards was so heavy and difficult to listen to - either with demanding and massive albums lengths, grimdark atmospheres, or technical up the wazoo... when this is the time in their career that they should be winding down a bit. There's already some younger bands doing classic Dream Theater better than Dream Theater (compare sth like The Mountain to ADTOE), going heavy was never their forte, and they can't be more innovative and progressive than other bands in this scene either without mixing in some stuff that's waaaaay out of the left field for them.

The problem is that the experimental albums don't change all that much in the riffage, the vocal melodies, the lyrics, the structures - this was the first time some of it changed, but it probably won't be carried forward, because it was a musical and you can't keep touring it.

You can't say TA or ADToE are "heavy" albums, and I'd say that neither DT12 is heavy enough... I don't get that point.. In my opinion, and in the opinion of many others, they do have lighted up a lot in the last albums, and that's something I wouldn't want for the next album.. But since they've already said that a heavier album await us, I have nothing more to ask.. The rest is pure subjectivity, but I don't agree that there are bands doing better what they did in the past.. That's bs.. Haken doesn't do "classic Dream Theater", if there's such a thing.. When talking about progressive metal bands like these is almost impossible to easily label or define issues as if they were immovable..

About the changes, again, DT is an experimental band by definition; the different structure of songs is always there.. If you're asking for a change more sustancial than what they do album after album and even song after song, then what's left for the rest of the non-prog bands?.. Having said that, as obvious as it could seem, doing something differently doesn't imply an improvement.. It'd only mean that, as long as the quality remains the same.. I'd prefer better songs, whatever the structure or lyric content is..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ErHaO on June 21, 2017, 06:51:47 AM
Obviously DT is the kind of band I want to hear do something new, but there are certain elements I'd like to hear come back.

I liked the catchy, melodic hooks of TA (especially in terms of vocals), so I want them to continue with that (while not venturing too much into cheesy territory). Also, some riffs like the Rush-esque Trough the Looking Glass would be neat. That influence just works well for them. Some of the groove from, say, Illumination Theory would be nice as well. I specifically use examples of modern DT, because that is the current lineup.

In terms of album structure and lyrics, I don't want them to do a concept album, but I'd like some coherency in terms of subjects between the songs. I generally prefer longer DT tracks, so I would like them to do like three longer tracks, along with some shorter songs.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on June 21, 2017, 11:02:22 AM
I predict an album with eight songs, from 5 to 8 minutes each. With an epic 20 minute song in the end. A DT12-like album structure.
Or, like BC&SL, five long songs plus a shorter one as a single, I think this has already been mentioned recently in a DT14 thread..

Either way, I would be happy in hearing an album structured like this as BC&SL and DT12 are my favourite Roadrunner albums.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on June 21, 2017, 11:20:17 AM
Obviously DT is the kind of band I want to hear do something new, but there are certain elements I'd like to hear come back.

I liked the catchy, melodic hooks of TA (especially in terms of vocals), so I want them to continue with that (while not venturing too much into cheesy territory). Also, some riffs like the Rush-esque Trough the Looking Glass would be neat. That influence just works well for them. Some of the groove from, say, Illumination Theory would be nice as well. I specifically use examples of modern DT, because that is the current lineup.

In terms of album structure and lyrics, I don't want them to do a concept album, but I'd like some coherency in terms of subjects between the songs. I generally prefer longer DT tracks, so I would like them to do like three longer tracks, along with some shorter songs.

Really like what you said here.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: emtee on June 21, 2017, 01:34:38 PM
I probably already said this earlier but meh on reading through :)

-Passionate about subject matter. From the heart and soul.
-Shorter songs (no epics) with nothing longer than 6 minutes and most everything else 5 minutes or under, each song with a distinct
flavor of it's own.
-Some songs with deep introspective lyrics that make you think.
-Repeat #1.

Heart. Soul. Passion.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on June 21, 2017, 09:19:10 PM
Heart. Soul. Passion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWCYnjkb-IU :neverusethis:



Seriously though, they already have done a "Surrender, Trust and Passion".. That must be very close..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ChuckSteak on June 22, 2017, 06:57:19 AM
TÉKNIKÁAL, ANEGI, POWAH.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: the_silent_man on June 22, 2017, 07:09:33 AM
I disagree completely about the short songs. They've done this twice now (DT12 and Astonishing) so I would personally be really disappointed if we had a third album of short songs in s row. I think DT are at their best when making 8-12 min songs that allow room for some fun and unique song structures and the instrumental passages that, essentially, they're known for. 

Perhaps this is an assumption by me, but if you looked back over their previous albums I think the majority of fans would agree that the longer songs on those albums are regarded as the better ones. Obviously for the sake of variety and commercial appeal you need to have some short songs, but for me if I wanted to listen to an album of 5 min songs, I would not listen to a prog metal album
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: bosk1 on June 22, 2017, 08:31:30 AM
I disagree completely about the short songs. They've done this twice now (DT12 and Astonishing) so I would personally be really disappointed if we had a third album of short songs in s row. I think DT are at their best when making 8-12 min songs that allow room for some fun and unique song structures and the instrumental passages that, essentially, they're known for. 

Perhaps this is an assumption by me, but if you looked back over their previous albums I think the majority of fans would agree that the longer songs on those albums are regarded as the better ones. Obviously for the sake of variety and commercial appeal you need to have some short songs, but for me if I wanted to listen to an album of 5 min songs, I would not listen to a prog metal album

I agree.  And even DT12 didn't really feel like just "an album of short songs," because despite the general trend toward shorter (for DT) songs on that album, you still have some variation with Behind the Veil clocking in at almost 7 minutes, The Bigger Picture at 7:40, and the big epic to end the album.  That's very close to the structure of Octavarium as well, in terms of song lengths.  Personally, I think I tend to prefer an album like ADTOE in terms of song lengths.  But really, DT have never done an album other than TA where almost every single song is "radio friendly" in terms of song length, so I'm not in the least bit expecting them to buck that trend now.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on June 23, 2017, 06:41:20 PM
Don't prove my point or anything.

What is your point?  The band should purposely go out of their way to alienate a large chunk of their fans and hurt their career?  Makes sense, and seems like a smart thing for the band to do.........

Why not? as an artist, integrity should come before fan service
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Bertielee on June 24, 2017, 02:39:22 AM
Don't prove my point or anything.

What is your point?  The band should purposely go out of their way to alienate a large chunk of their fans and hurt their career?  Makes sense, and seems like a smart thing for the band to do.........

Why not? as an artist, integrity should come before fan service

I think they won't given the mixed reaction to TA. My guess is that their next album will be pretty safe in terms of risks, even if heavy as is hinted at.

B.Lee
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on June 27, 2017, 12:24:43 AM
They should do an album about the american political system and...that guy....  :corn
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on June 27, 2017, 01:02:26 AM
Gods, no.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on June 28, 2017, 03:54:59 AM
Their promo single: Lucidum Intervallum length 6:00

Big thick guitar chords, Mangini plays drum beat from "When the Levee Breaks", Rudess playing odd-time signature poly-rhythms on some funky keyboard patch
"He's taking all your money"
*Petrucci sweeps
"The election was a scam"
*3 bar bass/drums tickle section
"Ignorant minds, I free them"
*False cadence
"They all think he's the one"
*Petrucci sweeps
"And just might be the next best thing, but not quite me"

Pre-chorus/Chorus, in the style of Zappa:

"Everybody does Heroin, even mr T. He looks really shady, he molests ladies but he's good enough for our **** country.

He's a dead, dumb and stupid little silly man (alright) won't ya tell me he's a dead, dumb and stupid little silly man (alright) won't ya tell me he's a dead, dumb and stupid little silly man (alright) won't ya tell me he's a dead, dumb and stupid little silly man (alright) won't ya tell me he's a dead, dumb and stupid little silly man (alright) won't ya tell me he's a dork!!!!!!!"

(Chorus is in 3/4 but has odd phrasing, never exactly repeated, sometimes being 5 bars long, sometimes being 6)


[Verse 2, pre-chorus and chorus in here]

*Petrucci solo over an alternating pattern of 9/8, 5/8, 13/16, 4/4, 11/8 and 9/16
Instrumental section
Chorus

Outro is set to a series of random phone numbers that have been converted into time signatures, it rythmically disposes variations on the main melody in the song, multiple times, gradually slowing and ending on an instrumental diminuendo of the chorus.

The last thing heard is a 3 second drum roll with a sample of that guy saying "China".
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on June 28, 2017, 04:17:38 AM
Their promo single: Lucidum Intervallum length 6:00

Big thick guitar chords, Mangini plays drum beat from "When the Levee Breaks", Rudess playing odd-time signature poly-rhythms on some funky keyboard patch
"He's taking all your money"
*Petrucci sweeps
"The election was a scam"
*3 bar bass/drums tickle section
"Ignorant minds, I free them"
*False cadence
"They all think he's the one"
*Petrucci sweeps
"And just might be the next best thing, but not quite me"

Pre-chorus/Chorus, in the style of Zappa:

"Everybody does Heroin, even mr T. He looks really shady, he molests ladies but he's good enough for our **** country.

He's a dead, dumb and stupid little silly man (alright) won't ya tell me he's a dead, dumb and stupid little silly man (alright) won't ya tell me he's a dead, dumb and stupid little silly man (alright) won't ya tell me he's a dead, dumb and stupid little silly man (alright) won't ya tell me he's a dead, dumb and stupid little silly man (alright) won't ya tell me he's a dork!!!!!!!"

(Chorus is in 3/4 but has odd phrasing, never exactly repeated, sometimes being 5 bars long, sometimes being 6)


[Verse 2, pre-chorus and chorus in here]

*Petrucci solo over an alternating pattern of 9/8, 5/8, 13/16, 4/4, 11/8 and 9/16
Instrumental section
Chorus

Outro is set to a series of random phone numbers that have been converted into time signatures, it rythmically disposes variations on the main melody in the song, multiple times, gradually slowing and ending on an instrumental diminuendo of the chorus.

The last thing heard is a 3 second drum roll with a sample of that guy saying "China".

 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: rumborak on June 29, 2017, 07:44:06 AM
They should do an album about the american political system and...that guy....  :corn

A song about Vermin Supreme's (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Vermin_Supreme_2012.jpg/220px-Vermin_Supreme_2012.jpg) bid for presidency? Hell yeah, I'm down for that!
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Architeuthis on June 29, 2017, 09:42:48 AM
Lol, noooo!  Do not pull a Roger Waters and get politically charged.. DT is about the music that tells a cool story.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: JediKnight1969 on June 29, 2017, 12:40:19 PM
I would re arrange this:

Progressive (IAW, Awake, SDOIT, SFAM)
Heavy (TOT, SC)
Melodic (8VM, DT12, TA)
Epic-Orchestral (BC&SL, ADTOE, WDADU)
Light (FII)

like this:

Progressive (IAW, Awake, SFAM, ADTOE)
Heavy (WDADU, TOT, SC)
Melodic (FII, 8VM, DT12)
Epic-Orchestral (SDOIT, BC&SL ,TA)
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on June 29, 2017, 09:30:46 PM
Why WDaDU would be heavy and not BC&SL I don't have a single clue.. :huh:
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on June 30, 2017, 03:48:34 AM
Metropolis 1900: The Lake Of Fire

A (once again) concept album, this time acting as a prequel to both Metropolis (1927) and Scenes From A Memory.

The narrative is now expanded, chronologically being:

The Miracle And The Sleeper (taking place in ancient Rome)
The Lake of fire taking place in 1900
Scenes from a memory taking place in 1928
Metropolis (1927) taking place in 2026


Minds are blown in this album and the Dream Theater community once again thrives from their best album to date!  :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on June 30, 2017, 05:20:26 AM
Metropolis 1900: The Lake Of Fire

A (once again) concept album, this time acting as a prequel to both Metropolis (1927) and Scenes From A Memory.

The narrative is now expanded, chronologically being:

The Miracle And The Sleeper (taking place in ancient Rome)
The Lake of fire taking place in 1900
Scenes from a memory taking place in 1928
Metropolis (1927) taking place in 2026


Minds are blown in this album and the Dream Theater community once again thrives from their best album to date!  :metal

 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: (*2)
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: metrojam on July 02, 2017, 10:33:27 AM
As long as its absolutely NOTHING like the utter dirge that was "TA", then I will be satisfied!
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Evai on July 02, 2017, 12:25:49 PM
Nothing they do will ever be able to top TA, so ya another direction will probably be best
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on July 03, 2017, 01:13:38 AM
As long as its absolutely NOTHING like the utter dirge that was "TA", then I will be satisfied!

Nothing they do will ever be able to top TA, so ya another direction will probably be best

You gotta love the diversity of the fan base  :D
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on July 03, 2017, 09:58:30 AM
Well yes but, to be fair, the album itself leads to that, musically.. And it actually divided the fanbase, in a non-musical way, even before we listened to a single note of it... remember the Ravenskill vs GNE thing?.. :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on July 03, 2017, 10:53:12 AM
Well yes but, to be fair, the album itself leads to that, musically.. And it actually divided the fanbase, in a non-musical way, even before we listened to a single note of it... remember the Ravenskill vs GNE thing?.. :lol

The path that divides...  :biggrin:
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: DougMasters on July 03, 2017, 10:22:51 PM
i voted light.

kinda wanna see if they could do stuff thats kinda looser and more jammy
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on July 04, 2017, 01:26:23 AM
A spoken word album, where they each read poems about their experiences with each album:

Constant Progress: A Reflection

(http://i.imgur.com/A6O3AKB.jpg)


Tracklist:

1 Working hard in the day, feeling miserable at night (Read by Portnoy)
2 Images of woman and words of sorrow (Read by Myung)
3 Sacrilegious obsessions (Read my Moore)
4 A tour, a world outside, lines of tears (Read by Petrucci)
5 1928, murder, betrayal and food poisoning (Read by Labrie)
6 Turbulent debates, stem cells, George Bush and my addictions (Read by Portnoy)
7 Ego, craftsmanship, homesick (Read by Petrucci)
8 Circles, Squares, 8ths, walls and 9/11 (Read by Rudess)
9 Understanding my fantasies (Read by Labrie)
10 Feeling low, Italy, loosing focus (Read by Myung)
11 Burn out (Read by Petrucci)
12 False Illumination, Intimidation, Surrender and Enemies (Read by Mangini)
13 The future, purpose, relevance and discord (Read by Rudess)



Released on iTunes and Spotify January 31st 2018, physical release worldwide February 2nd 2018
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on July 04, 2017, 01:48:59 AM
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Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: SwedishGoose on July 04, 2017, 01:52:07 AM
That would be the ultimate bonus CD.... but with Mike hating one canadian I don't see any chance that something like that could ever happen
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on July 04, 2017, 02:11:54 AM
but with Mike hating one canadian I don't see any chance that something like that could ever happen

well in that case.........


(http://i.imgur.com/mDBivsL.jpg)
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: SwedishGoose on July 04, 2017, 02:25:41 AM
 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on July 04, 2017, 06:45:32 AM

Tracklist:

1 Working hard in the day, feeling miserable at night (Read by Portnoy)
2 Images of woman and words of sorrow (Read by Myung)
3 Sacrilegious obsessions (Read my Moore)
4 A tour, a world outside, lines of tears (Read by Petrucci)
5 1928, murder, betrayal and food poisoning (Read by Labrie)
6 Turbulent debates, stem cells, George Bush and my addictions (Read by Portnoy)
7 Ego, craftsmanship, homesick (Read by Petrucci)
8 Circles, Squares, 8ths, walls and 9/11 (Read by Rudess)
9 Understanding my fantasies (Read by Labrie)
10 Feeling low, Italy, loosing focus (Read by Myung)
11 Burn out (Read by Petrucci)
12 False Illumination, Intimidation, Surrender and Enemies (Read by Mangini)
13 The future, purpose, relevance and discord (Read by Rudess)



Released on iTunes and Spotify January 31st 2018, physical release worldwide February 2nd 2018

At this point I predict 13 tracks, ten minutes each, one for each of the albums they made to this date, and all of them in the mood of their respective record based on my 'adjective for every album' thread. Plus one last song called 'Dream Theater' which condenses all of DT's most famous riffs and melodies.

 :metal  :metal  :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Ben_Jamin on July 04, 2017, 05:18:50 PM
What I want is A light uplifting album thats also METAL!!!!!

Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: CB on July 08, 2017, 03:33:23 PM
The one thing I know for sure is that I want it to be released sooner than it will be ...
From a recent JLB interview:
"maybe sometime in spring ... I'm thinking may ... we will get back together to start writing and recording the next album. We  pretty much know the kind of album we want to write, but we don't want to talk about it yet"

https://digi.heavymag.com.au/contents-digi-mag-26/dream-theater/

But I'm happy for all the fans who will see I&W live in september to december. I loved the shows I attended.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on July 08, 2017, 10:05:26 PM
The one thing I know for sure is that I want it to be released sooner than it will be ...
From a recent JLB interview:
"maybe sometime in spring ... I'm thinking may ... we will get back together to start writing and recording the next album. We  pretty much know the kind of album we want to write, but we don't want to talk about it yet"

https://digi.heavymag.com.au/contents-digi-mag-26/dream-theater/

But I'm happy for all the fans who will see I&W live in september to december. I loved the shows I attended.

Oh, man, it's gonna be a loooooooong wait  :'(
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on July 08, 2017, 10:13:03 PM
I'm guessing they're going electro now  :eek
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: EraVulgaris on July 10, 2017, 12:50:57 PM

Tracklist:

1 Working hard in the day, feeling miserable at night (Read by Portnoy)
2 Images of woman and words of sorrow (Read by Myung)
3 Sacrilegious obsessions (Read my Moore)
4 A tour, a world outside, lines of tears (Read by Petrucci)
5 1928, murder, betrayal and food poisoning (Read by Labrie)
6 Turbulent debates, stem cells, George Bush and my addictions (Read by Portnoy)
7 Ego, craftsmanship, homesick (Read by Petrucci)
8 Circles, Squares, 8ths, walls and 9/11 (Read by Rudess)
9 Understanding my fantasies (Read by Labrie)
10 Feeling low, Italy, loosing focus (Read by Myung)
11 Burn out (Read by Petrucci)
12 False Illumination, Intimidation, Surrender and Enemies (Read by Mangini)
13 The future, purpose, relevance and discord (Read by Rudess)


Two instrumentals? I could get into that.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on July 10, 2017, 10:30:28 PM

Tracklist:

1 Working hard in the day, feeling miserable at night (Read by Portnoy)
2 Images of woman and words of sorrow (Read by Myung)
3 Sacrilegious obsessions (Read my Moore)
4 A tour, a world outside, lines of tears (Read by Petrucci)
5 1928, murder, betrayal and food poisoning (Read by Labrie)
6 Turbulent debates, stem cells, George Bush and my addictions (Read by Portnoy)
7 Ego, craftsmanship, homesick (Read by Petrucci)
8 Circles, Squares, 8ths, walls and 9/11 (Read by Rudess)
9 Understanding my fantasies (Read by Labrie)
10 Feeling low, Italy, loosing focus (Read by Myung)
11 Burn out (Read by Petrucci)
12 False Illumination, Intimidation, Surrender and Enemies (Read by Mangini)
13 The future, purpose, relevance and discord (Read by Rudess)


Two instrumentals? I could get into that.

I'm more worried about the Portnoy ones, I can only put up with so much spitting  :blush
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on July 10, 2017, 10:39:03 PM
Actually I might write those poems just fun fun, when I get some spare time next. Just imagine:


1. Working hard in the day, feeling miserable at night (Read by Portnoy)


"Sweatiness, perspiration, an idol is placed upon our minds.
Rushing, fragrance, hanging up meat all day may have it's benefits but I'm fucking tired. (spits)
Virtuosity, studying, why are we here at all?

I see Marlene every night, the longing for companionship.
Drumming recklessly throughout the day but not seeing through.
The sun is set, a status is fought for with the risk of our futures, but where the fuck does it go? (spits)

We are friends, I knew you since childhood...."
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on July 11, 2017, 11:43:29 AM
Actually I might write those poems just fun fun, when I get some spare time next. Just imagine:


1. Working hard in the day, feeling miserable at night (Read by Portnoy)


"Sweatiness, perspiration, an idol is placed upon our minds.
Rushing, fragrance, hanging up meat all day may have it's benefits but I'm fucking tired. (spits)
Virtuosity, studying, why are we here at all?

I see Marlene every night, the longing for companionship.
Drumming recklessly throughout the day but not seeing through.
The sun is set, a status is fought for with the risk of our futures, but where the fuck does it go? (spits)

We are friends, I knew you since childhood...."


 :rollin
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Another_Won on July 11, 2017, 12:08:10 PM
Actually I might write those poems just fun fun, when I get some spare time next. Just imagine:


1. Working hard in the day, feeling miserable at night (Read by Portnoy)


"Sweatiness, perspiration, an idol is placed upon our minds.
Rushing, fragrance, hanging up meat all day may have it's benefits but I'm fucking tired. (spits)
Virtuosity, studying, why are we here at all?

I see Marlene every night, the longing for companionship.
Drumming recklessly throughout the day but not seeing through.
The sun is set, a status is fought for with the risk of our futures, but where the fuck does it go? (spits)

We are friends, I knew you since childhood...."


 :rollin
I feel like these could be alternate lyrics to Contant Motion.  Can anyone else hear that music when they read this?  Maybe I'm way off :dunno:
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on July 12, 2017, 03:15:33 AM
Actually I might write those poems just fun fun, when I get some spare time next. Just imagine:


1. Working hard in the day, feeling miserable at night (Read by Portnoy)


"Sweatiness, perspiration, an idol is placed upon our minds.
Rushing, fragrance, hanging up meat all day may have it's benefits but I'm fucking tired. (spits)
Virtuosity, studying, why are we here at all?

I see Marlene every night, the longing for companionship.
Drumming recklessly throughout the day but not seeing through.
The sun is set, a status is fought for with the risk of our futures, but where the fuck does it go? (spits)

We are friends, I knew you since childhood...."


 :rollin
I feel like these could be alternate lyrics to Contant Motion.  Can anyone else hear that music when they read this?  Maybe I'm way off :dunno:


That never would have crossed my mind  :omg: :omg:
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on July 17, 2017, 11:34:25 PM
All songs completely written by Mangini
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: 8GRND on July 19, 2017, 04:19:24 AM
All songs completely written by Mangini
  :metal

But seriously, I want at least a song with him on writing lyrics.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on July 24, 2017, 12:19:45 PM
All songs completely written by Mangini
  :metal

But seriously, I want at least a song with him on writing lyrics.

That is a thing that I would like to see! But has MM ever had a chance to write lyrics while he was in other bands before DT?  :huh:
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Adami on July 24, 2017, 01:29:42 PM
What if he is truly awful at writing lyrics?
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: the_silent_man on July 24, 2017, 04:47:09 PM
I would absolutely welcome more lyric diversity in the next album in terms of writers. And I would be open to a rudess+petrucci lyric, or a mangini+petrucci lyrics. Let them conribute alongside an established writer for the band in petrucci to polish things off. I think it'd be an interesting experiment.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on July 24, 2017, 05:06:50 PM
I would absolutely welcome more lyric diversity in the next album in terms of writers. And I would be open to a rudess+petrucci lyric, or a mangini+petrucci lyrics. Let them conribute alongside an established writer for the band in petrucci to polish things off. I think it'd be an interesting experiment.

This.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on July 24, 2017, 06:41:07 PM
I would absolutely welcome more lyric diversity in the next album in terms of writers. And I would be open to a rudess+petrucci lyric, or a mangini+petrucci lyrics. Let them conribute alongside an established writer for the band in petrucci to polish things off. I think it'd be an interesting experiment.

This.

Indeed.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on July 24, 2017, 10:25:13 PM
What if he is truly awful at writing lyrics?


Then we would know for sure  :hat
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on July 25, 2017, 10:37:43 AM
Or, maybe, like Jordan, he simply doesn't want to.. It's probably not "his thing"..

I don't think that JP writes almost all lyrics because he doesn't let his bandmates to contribute (saved TA because it was like  author writing a novel).. So the 'problem' is not that they aren't able to write lyrics, but that they don't want to.. Same with LaBrie, though I didn't know about that lyric that he wanted to write and it was written by Petrucci -- anyways, I guess we should need to know how the whole situation really happened; maybe JLB never directly said to him that he was having an idea for writing the lyrics for that song, etc..

But yeah, I too think that, if does happen, it'd be cool to have JR's or MM's lyrics for a DT song.. Having wished that, I wouldn't complain if we have instead one or two by JLB or JM again for the next album..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Bertie_Wooster on July 25, 2017, 04:53:30 PM
It should sound like 3 minute warning by LTE
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on July 26, 2017, 04:06:25 AM
Just luckily they don't Gilmour it and get their wives to write all their lyrics  :mehlin :mehlin :mehlin
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: DragonAttack on July 28, 2017, 01:51:44 PM
An under 70 minute, well thought out experience.  Three minutes of something that focuses on MM and JM in the middle of a 6-12 minute track that creates a mood.  After all, TA was 130 minutes, and they were never allowed to team up and shine on their own.  The best in the world deserve to be put out front and center for a change.

I'll take parts of DT12, ADToE, Six Degrees, 8vm, and the bagpipes and choruses and moods that 'almost' flowered on TA so that I can drift, dream, sing along, rock, ...but mostly enjoy.  And, please, let someone review the lyrics and theme first.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on July 28, 2017, 04:25:19 PM
An under 70 minute, well thought out experience.  Three minutes of something that focuses on MM and JM in the middle of a 6-12 minute track that creates a mood.  After all, TA was 130 minutes, and they were never allowed to team up and shine on their own.  The best in the world deserve to be put out front and center for a change.

Do you really think JP (or maybe JR) didn't "allow" them to do that, or is it just an expression?..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: DragonAttack on July 28, 2017, 04:46:02 PM
^
I don't know if it was 'didn't allow', 'there wasn't room', 'gotta get all of the lyrics/story in', or whatever......

I'm still astonishhhhh.......surprised that there's nothing in those 2+ hours where there is ZERO focus on the rhythm section (be it a moody or heavy section, solo or tag team).
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Evai on July 29, 2017, 03:02:23 AM
The problem with TA was that it was way too good for a band of their age. Seriously, aren't you supposed to release your best work within your first 3 albums?
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: IdoSC on July 29, 2017, 06:57:18 AM
I'd love to see a wild run of about 70 minutes, 8-12 songs with most being on the shorter side for DT and some being on the average/longer side, consisting of crazy "experiments" like Lord Nafaryus. I want to hear some amazing mixes of their own style with other genres, letting James have a field day with his vocals, just having a good old time taking their own style in all sorts of directions.

Also, don't let JP write lyrics for more than 1/3rd of the album. I like the plot for The Astonishing, I like the general idea of many of his songs, but at this point I can hardly count how many *executions* and full on lyrics of his I've truly appreciated since BCSL. Illumination Theory being a highly notable exception.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on July 29, 2017, 07:11:56 PM
^
I don't know if it was 'didn't allow', 'there wasn't room', 'gotta get all of the lyrics/story in', or whatever......

I'm still astonishhhhh.......surprised that there's nothing in those 2+ hours where there is ZERO focus on the rhythm section (be it a moody or heavy section, solo or tag team).

Yes, I'm kinda too, only now that you're mentioning it. But anyways, there are some moments... two that come to mind right now: the pre-JP solo on A New Beginning, and the (precisely, moody/heavy section) on The Walking Shadow..

But yeah, it's true.. Not that is a bad thing for me, but it's kind of surprising... well, only on one side; on the other side, you have the fact that MM is not, like Portnoy was, a composer drummer, so this counts for the no-so-many-rhythm-sections nowadays..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on July 29, 2017, 09:10:25 PM
But yeah, it's true.. Not that is a bad thing for me, but it's kind of surprising... well, only on one side; on the other side, you have the fact that MM is not, like Portnoy was, a composer drummer, so this counts for the no-so-many-rhythm-sections nowadays..

He is, he just hasn't been too involved in the writing for the DT albums he's been on. (You can hear GREAT drums/bass moments on DT12, for example)
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on July 29, 2017, 10:10:07 PM
But yeah, it's true.. Not that is a bad thing for me, but it's kind of surprising... well, only on one side; on the other side, you have the fact that MM is not, like Portnoy was, a composer drummer, so this counts for the no-so-many-rhythm-sections nowadays..

He is, he just hasn't been too involved in the writing for the DT albums he's been on. (You can hear GREAT drums/bass moments on DT12, for example)

I mean that he doesn't create music (chord progressions, melodies) like the rest does, excepting JLB.. Portnoy wasn't/isn't on the level of Virgil Donati, Minnemann or Thomas Lang in composing melodies and that stuff but he was always there directing the songs -at least most of them- and structuring parts, adding rhythms and changing the time signatures, etc, etc.. I'm sure Mangini does some of these things, but his level of collaboration seems to be very far from MP's..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: rumborak on August 01, 2017, 06:15:53 AM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/james-labrie-discusses-timeline-for-new-dream-theater-album-announces-solo-appearance-at-progpower-usa/

Saw this today. James says new album late '18/early '19.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on August 01, 2017, 10:17:52 AM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/james-labrie-discusses-timeline-for-new-dream-theater-album-announces-solo-appearance-at-progpower-usa/

Saw this today. James says new album late '18/early '19.

Well, he said album in late 2018 and tour in early 2019, but, man, it's gonna be a long wait  :'(
Maybe we can finally get that 2nd Petrucci album before that?  ???
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: rumborak on August 01, 2017, 10:20:15 AM
Don't tease me, bro. I would love for that to finally come out.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on August 01, 2017, 10:47:32 AM
Don't tease me, bro. I would love for that to finally come out.

Mangini is practicing the songs they played at G3 2012 for the JP guitar camp, so I hope John decides it's time to finally record them and get that album out by next year  :-\
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Architeuthis on August 01, 2017, 02:16:43 PM
I really don't see the need to be impatient for a JP solo album. Everything he does in DT is so killer and hard to top..  :coolio
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on August 01, 2017, 02:44:56 PM
I really don't see the need to be impatient for a JP solo album. Everything he does in DT is so killer and hard to top..  :coolio

It's that he's been talking about it since 2010  :-\
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Architeuthis on August 01, 2017, 02:54:42 PM
Isn't TA a JP solo album?  JK,  The Astonishing rocks!
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on August 01, 2017, 03:33:42 PM
Isn't TA a JP solo album?  JK,  The Astonishing rocks!

Jokes aside, it'd be something like a solo album if he would've made the music on his own, but Rudess happen to exist... luckily..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: rumborak on August 03, 2017, 09:22:10 PM
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/dream_theaters_rudess_the_biggest_mistake_prog_musicians_make_these_days.html

This quote caught my eye:

Quote
Right now there's that whole djent style of music that people listen to

There was a discussion a while ago about whether JP playing an 8-string might mean djent; this could be another hint that it will.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Mosh on August 03, 2017, 09:37:20 PM
They talked about djent a bit around the time of DT12 too, I don't expect anything out of that.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on August 03, 2017, 10:21:12 PM
I'm not a big djent fan, but this could mean they might take a more modern (and heavier) direction for this album.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Mladen on August 04, 2017, 12:47:55 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but djent was a big thing, like, five years ago.

I remember when The Enemy inside came out, the first minute had some djent influences, but then it goes into a more familiar territory. If they decide to go that way again, they could dig deeper and make that influence more prominent in their sound.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: JayOctavarium on August 04, 2017, 11:25:45 AM
I would be game for at least one song having a slight Djent influence. Like a really heavy song (yet still melodic... because I can't stand just rhythmic chugging).
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mikeyd23 on August 04, 2017, 11:31:34 AM
I think the djent thing is like most other styles with DT, it's all about the mixture of elements. If they mix a little of that style into songs in certain spots, it could be cool. If they try to do it too much, it might be not so cool. DT has always been about the mixture of metal, prog, melody, etc... for me, so djent would just be an extension of that.

Basically, DT are at their best when they incorporate more than a few elements, djent can certainly be one of them if done right.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on August 04, 2017, 01:43:54 PM
I think the djent thing is like most other styles with DT, it's all about the mixture of elements. If they mix a little of that style into songs in certain spots, it could be cool. If they try to do it too much, it might be not so cool. DT has always been about the mixture of metal, prog, melody, etc... for me, so djent would just be an extension of that.

Basically, DT are at their best when they incorporate more than a few elements, djent can certainly be one of them if done right.

I agree! Recently I've been quite into Architects, and I like how they sort of blend heavy 8-string guitar riff with more melodic moments. With this I don't mean that DT should completely turn full-Architects mode but instead having a fine balance between heaviness and melody.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but djent was a big thing, like, five years ago.

I remember when The Enemy inside came out, the first minute had some djent influences, but then it goes into a more familiar territory. If they decide to go that way again, they could dig deeper and make that influence more prominent in their sound.

'The Enemy Inside' is an example of what I mean.  :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Herrick on August 26, 2017, 07:30:51 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but djent was a big thing, like, five years ago.

I remember when The Enemy inside came out, the first minute had some djent influences, but then it goes into a more familiar territory. If they decide to go that way again, they could dig deeper and make that influence more prominent in their sound.

I thought people were comparing that song to Nevermore. I'm not a huge Djent fan. I like Meshuggah and Gojira and that's it. I'd rather not hear that type of stuff in Dream Theater but like any genre, Djent isn't just...djent. So there's the possibility that Petrucci could utilize that style in a unique & cool way.

Edit: Yeah Mikeyd23 pretty much made this point. Sorry.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Dream Team on August 29, 2017, 05:43:06 PM
Come on James, get out in the sun a little. Aging rock stars with thinning hair, etc, would look a lot better if they weren't pasty white. Anyway, would strongly prefer a JP album to another JLB one. The first Mullmuzzler is still my favorite so his current style isn't exactly wowing me.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: WheyWaffles on August 29, 2017, 05:52:53 PM
Ok, I'm here to shut down the djent talk right now.

If JP djents on the next album, it will be an "Oh, Grandpa..." moment the likes of which he will never recover from. He might as well just cut his hair and forget about the glorious skullet he was destined to wear in his golden years.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on September 01, 2017, 01:03:11 AM
Didn't James already do Djent on a solo album?  :mehlin


#oldnews


I'd like DT to try playing different instruments for once, now THAT would get me interested in a new album!  :tup
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: jjfumbly on September 02, 2017, 10:12:36 PM
I want DT14 to be heavy--a new kind of heavy. With John Petrucci mentioning his interest in the incorporation of 8-Stringed guitars into new DT material, the chances are better than ever. Not necessarily "djenty" but innovative low F# riffing. A sharp contrast to everything The Astonishing was, DT would come back with a new face and sound. Of course they would never forget to bring the prog too...
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on October 16, 2017, 02:57:24 PM
JP has been confirmed for G3 in Europe untill May 1st of next year, so this probably means DT won’t enter the studio untill mid 2018, maybe for an early 2019 release  :'(
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on October 17, 2017, 01:27:20 AM
JP has been confirmed for G3 in Europe untill May 1st of next year, so this probably means DT won’t enter the studio untill mid 2018, maybe for an early 2019 release  :'(

At least we Europeans can see the G3 too.  :metal
But yeah, this means the album will probably be slated to early 2019. By the way, I'm waiting to hear SoA's debut on 20th of October (which happens to be my birthday),  despite all the DS vs JR discussion.

BTW Derek is great and all but Jordan is the man, in my humble opinion.  ;D
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: theshatteredfortress on October 17, 2017, 12:32:13 PM
First of all, Hello to all since it's been a long while since I've been here.  I have read a lot of comments in this section as I am REALLY INTERESTED (like all of us) to know where they're gonna go next musically.

My answer to the original question would be: a really heavy album with full of surprises :) 

For years I've really liked the heaviness of Dream Theater.  Right now I really dig the PROGRESSIVE metal thing (like Images & Words, A Dramatic Turn Of Events, DT & The Astonishing).  BUT, I think the next album would be awesome with more heaviness to it.  After that new album, they could do any type of music they want because they would have produced 4 really diverse albums in a row!!!!

Tx
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on October 17, 2017, 01:18:13 PM
First of all, Hello to all since it's been a long while since I've been here.  I have read a lot of comments in this section as I am REALLY INTERESTED (like all of us) to know where they're gonna go next musically.

My answer to the original question would be: a really heavy album with full of surprises :) 

For years I've really liked the heaviness of Dream Theater.  Right now I really dig the PROGRESSIVE metal thing (like Images & Words, A Dramatic Turn Of Events, DT & The Astonishing).  BUT, I think the next album would be awesome with more heaviness to it.  After that new album, they could do any type of music they want because they would have produced 4 really diverse albums in a row!!!!

Tx

Diversity between albums is something that makes this band really unique, even though I'm not a big fan of FII I'll give it the credit of diverseness (pardon if this term does not exist haha). By the way we are pretty sure DT14 will indeed be heavier than TA (even though I like this album A LOT) as it was confirmed by JP in numerous interviews. I'm not really interested in having an album going necessarily in a Top 5 DT albums, if so, this will indeed be astonishing amazing but I'm more into having new music showing a new level of creativity.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: theshatteredfortress on October 17, 2017, 03:05:03 PM
Yeah I agree.  Add some heaviness to a new level of creativity and I'm 100% in :) 

Kidding aside that was the main point of my post.  So when does this new album comes out??  :)
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on October 17, 2017, 03:18:11 PM
Late 2018, early 2019 probably. Just like Game of Thrones' final season.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on October 17, 2017, 04:34:51 PM
Late 2018, early 2019 probably. Just like Game of Thrones' final season.

Such a long wait for both  :'(

About the direction, a heavier album would be nice, but I don’t want a TOT kind of album where everything is heavy just for the sake of it. I prefer albums that are balanced, and not just a heavy shred fest.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on October 18, 2017, 01:01:49 AM
I agree, I'd like a "naturally heavy" album, not a "forced heavy" album so to speak.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pettor on October 18, 2017, 01:47:18 AM
An album in the sound of The Gift of Music, Ravenskill, A New Beginning and The Path that Divide ... that would be awesome. Mainly progressive and melodic with interesting song structures and heavy when needed.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on October 18, 2017, 02:52:51 AM
From The Astonishing I'd like for them to carry the unusual song structures as well. Feel like doing a 2 minutes full song like The Answer? do it for the hell of it, not because the storyline requires a short introductory piece.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: nattmorker on October 18, 2017, 06:46:20 AM
From The Astonishing I'd like for them to carry the unusual song structures as well. Feel like doing a 2 minutes full song like The Answer? do it for the hell of it, not because the storyline requires a short introductory piece.

Yeah, this is one of the thing I love about the Astonishing, I hope they carry that song structures.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on October 18, 2017, 09:20:07 AM
An album in the sound of The Gift of Music, Ravenskill, A New Beginning and The Path that Divide ... that would be awesome. Mainly progressive and melodic with interesting song structures and heavy when needed.

I will add in The Walking Shadow, concise and with an unusual structure.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on October 18, 2017, 10:00:11 AM
All this talk about the next album is getting me waaaay too excited about it... but then I remember we're more than a year away from it  :'(
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: theshatteredfortress on October 18, 2017, 12:12:12 PM
All this talk about the next album is getting me waaaay too excited about it... but then I remember we're more than a year away from it  :'(

Well yeah but at the same time we have A LOT of Dream Theater music to listen to to help us wait :)
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kattelox on October 18, 2017, 12:53:44 PM
More blastbeat jazz.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Lethean on October 18, 2017, 01:19:01 PM
Voted progressive but I consider the albums in the other categories to be progressive too.  I get it if they want to go heavier this time, and just hope it'll still be JLB doing all the vocals. :)
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on October 18, 2017, 06:03:26 PM
Voted progressive but I consider the albums in the other categories to be progressive too.  I get it if they want to go heavier this time, and just hope it'll still be JLB doing all the vocals. :)

JP hasn't contributed with vocals on the last 3 albums, so I think is pretty safe to say it'll be 100% James on the studio albums.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: nattmorker on October 18, 2017, 06:59:29 PM
More blastbeat jazz.

So much this!!! I really hope they try more stuff like this, beside the song structures.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: SystematicThought on October 18, 2017, 07:53:41 PM
I really wouldn't mind another simple drum beat and bass riff a la New Beginning and JP solos over it.

Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on October 18, 2017, 09:10:26 PM
I really wouldn't mind another simple drum beat and bass riff a la New Beginning and JP solos over it.

 :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Ben_Jamin on October 19, 2017, 12:05:18 AM
I really wouldn't mind another simple drum beat and bass riff a la New Beginning and JP solos over it.

They have been. Breaking All Illusions middle section comes to mind.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 19, 2017, 06:53:32 AM
Voted progressive but I consider the albums in the other categories to be progressive too.  I get it if they want to go heavier this time, and just hope it'll still be JLB doing all the vocals. :)

JP hasn't contributed with vocals on the last 3 albums, so I think is pretty safe to say it'll be 100% James on the studio albums.

Yup, and frankly it's been refreshing. James' voice was a huge draw for me when I first heard DT and even though his live work can sometimes be shaky, his studio work is still top notch.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on October 19, 2017, 10:18:16 AM
Voted progressive but I consider the albums in the other categories to be progressive too.  I get it if they want to go heavier this time, and just hope it'll still be JLB doing all the vocals. :)

JP hasn't contributed with vocals on the last 3 albums, so I think is pretty safe to say it'll be 100% James on the studio albums.

Yup, and frankly it's been refreshing. James' voice was a huge draw for me when I first heard DT and even though his live work can sometimes be shaky, his studio work is still top notch.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts about JLB as well.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 19, 2017, 10:33:48 AM
^ For me, his vocals specifically on ADTOE were such a joy to listen to. After MP left, the band needed to make a statement with that record, and James sounded so strong, handled all the vocals himself, and is mixed nice and up front. Great stuff.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on October 20, 2017, 02:55:40 PM
On ADTOE l felt like the drum parts weren't as good as the ones on DT12 and TA, but I liked the prog edge to it. The most thing I'm concerned about the next album is the  involvement of MM on it.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: SystematicThought on October 20, 2017, 06:56:44 PM
I'm mainly concerned about his sound. Astonishing was a step in the right direction, but his drums never sound like an acoustic kit, it always sounds triggered or processed. I know a raw sound doesn't fit DT, but I would love a drum sound like Jeremy Stacey on Steven Wilson's To The Bone.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Lethean on October 20, 2017, 07:41:15 PM
I have to say... I don't really care who is involved into the writing or to what capacity.  ADTOE was great without Mangini involved.  DT12 was great with Mangini involved.  The Astonishing was great with just JP and JR.  So for me, it doesn't really matter so much.  At least not musically.  I don't want Mangini to be frustrated or discouraged, so from that aspect, I don't think it would be a bad idea to have him involved again. 
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Adami on October 20, 2017, 08:03:44 PM
I'm mainly concerned about his sound. Astonishing was a step in the right direction, but his drums never sound like an acoustic kit, it always sounds triggered or processed. I know a raw sound doesn't fit DT, but I would love a drum sound like Jeremy Stacey on Steven Wilson's To The Bone.

His drums on ADTOE were super raw. To an extreme. They need to find that middle ground. Well mixed and semi-processed without going too far.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on October 20, 2017, 10:09:18 PM
I'm mainly concerned about his sound. Astonishing was a step in the right direction, but his drums never sound like an acoustic kit, it always sounds triggered or processed. I know a raw sound doesn't fit DT, but I would love a drum sound like Jeremy Stacey on Steven Wilson's To The Bone.

His drums on ADTOE were super raw. To an extreme. They need to find that middle ground. Well mixed and semi-processed without going too far.

That's why they need Nolly Getgood mixing their albums  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on October 21, 2017, 02:54:40 AM
In my opinion the mixing on TA regarding the drums was the best they had since MM joined the band with the worst being on DT12.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: robin5749 on October 21, 2017, 10:18:51 AM
probably more like dt self titled.
but they always do something special.
yea maybe a guest or two.
I would like a jazz fusion type track like weather report.
an acoustic guitar trio maybe steve morse and al de meola.
an acoustic prog epic along the lines of yes.
and the epic of all time last track featuring guest appearance by Mikael from opeth doing death growl vocals.
well that's what I imagined on my run yesterday.
little chance of any of this.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on October 21, 2017, 10:29:10 AM
probably more like dt self titled.
but they always do something special.
yea maybe a guest or two.
I would like a jazz fusion type track like weather report.
an acoustic guitar trio maybe steve morse and al de meola.
an acoustic prog epic along the lines of yes.
and the epic of all time last track featuring guest appearance by Mikael from opeth doing death growl vocals.
well that's what I imagined on my run yesterday.
little chance of any of this.

I think it probably will have an epic as JLB stated that the band could make another multipart song like ACOS
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Lethean on October 21, 2017, 08:09:21 PM
probably more like dt self titled.
but they always do something special.
yea maybe a guest or two.
I would like a jazz fusion type track like weather report.
an acoustic guitar trio maybe steve morse and al de meola.
an acoustic prog epic along the lines of yes.
and the epic of all time last track featuring guest appearance by Mikael from opeth doing death growl vocals.
well that's what I imagined on my run yesterday.
little chance of any of this.

I think it probably will have an epic as JLB stated that the band could make another multipart song like ACOS

Would love an epic if they're so inclined, but no thanks on the death growls.  There are plenty of bands who incorporate them for those who are interested, but I don't want DT to go down that path.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: KevShmev on October 21, 2017, 08:11:02 PM
Akerfeldt doesn't even do death growls anymore on his own band's studio albums; I can't see him doing a growling guest spot on another band's record at this point.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on October 21, 2017, 09:43:18 PM
Akerfeldt doesn't even do death growls anymore on his own band's studio albums; I can't see him doing a growling guest spot on another band's record at this point.

This. But I think a MA guest spot on a DT album would be really nice. Something like a soft, melodic part with his clean vocals.

The DT guys are good friends with Mikael, btw. I just remembered this pic from Wacken 2015:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLe46t_UEAAMpD1.jpg)
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on October 22, 2017, 04:45:53 PM
Jordan confirms they'll start working on the new album around May or June 2018: https://youtu.be/eMFGkfgPCiU?t=9m52s
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Thoughtspart3 on October 22, 2017, 09:28:22 PM
This is a longer than usual wait.  However, it makes sense because they put a lot of extra time into the TA. It will be here before we know it and we will be  :metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: The Curious Orange on October 23, 2017, 04:11:38 AM
There's a lot to love about TA, but for me it just doesn't work as a whole. I'm hoping the I&W tour will go someway to "reset" the band and we get something truly special.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on October 23, 2017, 06:09:16 AM
Jordan confirms they'll start working on the new album around May or June 2018: https://youtu.be/eMFGkfgPCiU?t=9m52s

They could drop a single on September maybe..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mikeyd23 on October 23, 2017, 08:19:44 AM
I'm mainly concerned about his sound. Astonishing was a step in the right direction, but his drums never sound like an acoustic kit, it always sounds triggered or processed. I know a raw sound doesn't fit DT, but I would love a drum sound like Jeremy Stacey on Steven Wilson's To The Bone.

His drums on ADTOE were super raw. To an extreme. They need to find that middle ground. Well mixed and semi-processed without going too far.

That's why they need Nolly Getgood mixing their albums  :hefdaddy

No kidding. I'd absolutely love it if they tapped Nolly to engineer and mix the record. His drum sounds in particular are among the best out there.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on October 23, 2017, 09:28:18 AM
Jordan confirms they'll start working on the new album around May or June 2018: https://youtu.be/eMFGkfgPCiU?t=9m52s

They could drop a single on September maybe..

That’s if they go for a late 2018 release, but I think RR would push it down to early 2019. Hope I’m wrong!

I'm mainly concerned about his sound. Astonishing was a step in the right direction, but his drums never sound like an acoustic kit, it always sounds triggered or processed. I know a raw sound doesn't fit DT, but I would love a drum sound like Jeremy Stacey on Steven Wilson's To The Bone.

His drums on ADTOE were super raw. To an extreme. They need to find that middle ground. Well mixed and semi-processed without going too far.

That's why they need Nolly Getgood mixing their albums  :hefdaddy

No kidding. I'd absolutely love it if they tapped Nolly to engineer and mix the record. His drum sounds in particular are among the best out there.

We only need JP to realize this  :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Anxiety35 on October 26, 2017, 12:42:09 PM
What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?

A good one.

 :tup
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on October 26, 2017, 01:21:40 PM
What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?

A good one.

 :tup

That could be said of any DT album so far, so I think it's a given  :biggrin:
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on October 26, 2017, 10:05:30 PM
probably more like dt self titled.
but they always do something special.
yea maybe a guest or two.
I would like a jazz fusion type track like weather report.
an acoustic guitar trio maybe steve morse and al de meola.
an acoustic prog epic along the lines of yes.
and the epic of all time last track featuring guest appearance by Mikael from opeth doing death growl vocals.
well that's what I imagined on my run yesterday.
little chance of any of this.

Hey, when did this become the abstract poetry thread?  :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on October 27, 2017, 01:59:41 AM
I want it to be whatever kind of album DT wants it to be.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Evai on October 27, 2017, 02:48:30 AM
A slow fast album
A hard soft album
A progressive catchy album
A technical melodic album
A diversive cohesive album
An album
Album
Bum
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 08, 2017, 02:29:20 PM
A slow fast album
A hard soft album
A progressive catchy album
A technical melodic album
A diversive cohesive album
An album
Album
Bum

um
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: rumborak on November 08, 2017, 02:58:59 PM
A slow fast album
A hard soft album
A progressive catchy album
A technical melodic album
A diversive cohesive album
An album
Album
Bum

um

m

mb
mbo
mbop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHozn0YXAeE
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: JayOctavarium on November 09, 2017, 10:06:55 AM
A slow fast album
A hard soft album
A progressive catchy album
A technical melodic album
A diversive cohesive album
An album
Album
Bum

um

m

mb
mbo
mbop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHozn0YXAeE


:rollin
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on November 13, 2017, 05:55:52 AM
A slow fast album
A hard soft album
A progressive catchy album
A technical melodic album
A diversive cohesive album
An album
Album
Bum

um

m

mb
mbo
mbop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHozn0YXAeE


:rollin

Since these last posts were random, I officially declare this thread to be the " here we post all the fake tracklists/artworks" thread until we wait for any update on DT14 ;D
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Sycsa on November 13, 2017, 06:08:41 AM
A slow fast album
A hard soft album
A progressive catchy album
A technical melodic album
A diversive cohesive album
An album
Album
Bum

um

m

mb
mbo
mbop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHozn0YXAeE
Damn, how old were those kids when they wrote that mega-hit?
Edit: found this, pretty cool - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCLRvC3l_aU
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on November 13, 2017, 09:27:41 AM
I want it to be whatever kind of album DT wants it to be.

I openned this thread to type exactly this..

They already give me much more than I could've expected from a band or an artist in general.. Also, three years ago all I wanted was a conceptual album that I -just and merely- like, and, once again, they gave me actually more than I wanted (I like it A LOT).. So yeah, do anything you want.. And I mean literally, ANYTHING... I won't care..  :azn:
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on November 13, 2017, 11:27:04 AM
I want it to be whatever kind of album DT wants it to be.

I openned this thread to type exactly this..

They already give me much more than I could've expected from a band or an artist in general.. Also, three years ago all I wanted was a conceptual album that I -just and merely- like, and, once again, they gave me actually more than I wanted (I like it A LOT).. So yeah, do anything you want.. And I mean literally, ANYTHING... I won't care..  :azn:

What if they come up with a canadian rap album  :biggrin:
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on November 14, 2017, 02:58:34 AM
I want it to be whatever kind of album DT wants it to be.

I openned this thread to type exactly this..

They already give me much more than I could've expected from a band or an artist in general.. Also, three years ago all I wanted was a conceptual album that I -just and merely- like, and, once again, they gave me actually more than I wanted (I like it A LOT).. So yeah, do anything you want.. And I mean literally, ANYTHING... I won't care..  :azn:

What if they come up with a canadian rap album  :biggrin:

I'll buy it just the same..  ;D
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on December 04, 2017, 11:37:49 PM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dream-theater-keyboardist-discusses-mike-portnoys-departure-says-he-has-incredible-relationship-with-mike-mangini/

Jordan states DT will enter in the studio around May 2018, so if the release date is in 2019 I strongly believe it will be out by January, like TA.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Lethean on December 05, 2017, 07:18:31 AM
Those headlines crack me up.  I enjoyed watching that interview even though the interviewer looked like it was his first time doing one. :)
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on December 05, 2017, 08:01:48 AM
Where is Jordan, in the Matrix?.. :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ? on December 05, 2017, 08:40:53 AM
(http://assets.blabbermouth.net/media/jordanrudesslinearockmarch2016_638.jpg)

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111134171/4134793-neo+of+matrix.jpg)
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on December 05, 2017, 01:30:18 PM
(http://assets.blabbermouth.net/media/jordanrudesslinearockmarch2016_638.jpg)

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111134171/4134793-neo+of+matrix.jpg)

 :rollin
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Ninjabait on December 05, 2017, 03:59:22 PM
Confirmed: Dream Theater set to release two albums, a Red one and a Blue one. You only get a chance to buy one. Choose carefully, there's no going back. If you get the blue one, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You get the red one - you stay in the Great Northern Empire, and they show you how much time you really have for music.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on December 05, 2017, 07:32:07 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on December 05, 2017, 11:32:47 PM
Confirmed: Dream Theater set to release two albums, a Red one and a Blue one. You only get a chance to buy one. Choose carefully, there's no going back. If you get the blue one, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You get the red one - you stay in the Great Northern Empire, and they show you how much time you really have for music.

And so the blue one has 0 songs in it? But seriously though, well thought!  :rollin  :rollin  :rollin
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on December 06, 2017, 01:02:21 AM
Confirmed: Dream Theater set to release two albums, a Red one and a Blue one. You only get a chance to buy one. Choose carefully, there's no going back. If you get the blue one, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You get the red one - you stay in the Great Northern Empire, and they show you how much time you really have for music.

 :rollin :hefdaddy
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: 7enderbender on December 12, 2017, 05:00:44 PM
I'm sure everything that can be said has been said already here. Been diving yet again into the entire catalog recently - partially because I finally bought a JP 7-string guitar (that wasn't the reason, but hey, why not). Been a fan since the early days.

So what do I want to see on the next album? Something in the vain of Images and Words/Awake and Falling Into Infinity - but more modern and a tad heavier. No concept album, no lyrics that are too literal/juvenile, NO symphonics, keyboards that sound like keyboards (and maybe a bit less of that).
Modern sounding influences similar to the last La Brie solo albums. Maybe some outside writers and producers since the balance seems off with JP runinng the show single handedly, perhaps? How about Misha Mansoor producing this?
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Evai on December 12, 2017, 05:12:44 PM
Maybe some outside writers

I dunno, it should be all about DT, not some outside writer. I dunno what you're expecting them to be?  :huh:
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: 7enderbender on December 12, 2017, 05:23:10 PM
Maybe some outside writers

I dunno, it should be all about DT, not some outside writer. I dunno what you're expecting them to be?  :huh:

I'd want them to be still one of my all time favorite bands? I think outside writers and producers can be a good thing. Has worked for a lot of artists and bands. Something to be said about the distinction between outstanding players and outstanding writers and and lyricists.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Lethean on December 12, 2017, 05:55:18 PM
I always feel like I'm in the minority on this, or maybe it's just that those who want an outside producer/writer are more vocal, but I don't want an outside producer and certainly not an outside song writer.  I love JLB's solo albums up to and including Elements of Persuasion, but for the most part, that's stuff (to me) doesn't compare to DT.  And for his most recent two solo albums - no thank you to those outside song writers; I'm not really a fan of the Soilwork formula.  Give me JP and JR any day.  With input or not from the others - I like the material when they contribute, I like it when they don't, so whatever works for this next album is fine by me.  If JP decides he could really use an outside producer, so be it, but I like the job he's been doing.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: commanderbob on December 12, 2017, 07:20:46 PM
I really want a messy, loud, heavy and unrefined, almost garage-like album that they write and record in like three weeks. I'd love to see what they did with that. I want loud, angry drums too!
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: TheLordOfTheStrings on December 12, 2017, 09:04:59 PM
Give me JP and JR any day.  With input or not from the others - I like the material when they contribute, I like it when they don't, so whatever works for this next album is fine by me.  If JP decides he could really use an outside producer, so be it, but I like the job he's been doing.
Nail on the head dude.  ;)
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on December 13, 2017, 01:11:36 AM
I'm against outside writers, but I welcome an outside producer.

The whole situation with an external producer was tangled into the FII mess. The input from Kevin Shirley was directed from the label, and I understand them being "traumatized" by the whole thing and then wanting to do exactly what they wanted to do with the next album, but it's been 20 years. So many albums sold and two grammy nominations later, and them being absolutely the biggest act on the new label, there's no way that an outside producer translates into "Lol cut this song's solo and write a radio hit plz". I understand them being settled in with this way of working, but an outside producer who understands and respects their music could really help them and offer a fresh view on things.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on December 13, 2017, 08:03:57 AM
I'm against outside writers, but I welcome an outside producer.

The whole situation with an external producer was tangled into the FII mess. The input from Kevin Shirley was directed from the label, and I understand them being "traumatized" by the whole thing and then wanting to do exactly what they wanted to do with the next album, but it's been 20 years. So many albums sold and two grammy nominations later, and them being absolutely the biggest act on the new label, there's no way that an outside producer translates into "Lol cut this song's solo and write a radio hit plz". I understand them being settled in with this way of working, but an outside producer who understands and respects their music could really help them and offer a fresh view on things.

This.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Fritzinger on December 13, 2017, 08:20:03 AM
I agree, Roger Waters took that step and Is This The Life We Really Want? turned out to be an amazing album by a guy you'd never expect to be in his 70s.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Lethean on December 13, 2017, 09:54:35 AM
What works for one band/artist might not work for another. Right now, I don't think DT needs it. If things get to a point where they feel like they want a change, that's fine. But I wouldn't want anyone messing with the last 3 albums, and I don't have any reason to believe the next won't be great as well. It could be that it doesn't turn out to be to my taste, but that doesn't have much to do with whether there's an outside producer or not.

I'm certain that they could get a producer who would work with them on their terms at this point in their career - but they probably just don't want to.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: 7enderbender on December 13, 2017, 02:52:48 PM
What works for one band/artist might not work for another. Right now, I don't think DT needs it. If things get to a point where they feel like they want a change, that's fine. But I wouldn't want anyone messing with the last 3 albums, and I don't have any reason to believe the next won't be great as well. It could be that it doesn't turn out to be to my taste, but that doesn't have much to do with whether there's an outside producer or not.

I'm certain that they could get a producer who would work with them on their terms at this point in their career - but they probably just don't want to.

See, and I vaguely suggested it because I think - certainly after the last two albums - it's desperately needed. Hall of the material should've been scrapped by someone, especially with one internal force countering some of this gone. And I find it telling that the "Astonishing" tour apparently didn't sell well - and quickly turned into a Images-and-words-anniversary tour.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: SwedishGoose on December 13, 2017, 03:04:05 PM
What works for one band/artist might not work for another. Right now, I don't think DT needs it. If things get to a point where they feel like they want a change, that's fine. But I wouldn't want anyone messing with the last 3 albums, and I don't have any reason to believe the next won't be great as well. It could be that it doesn't turn out to be to my taste, but that doesn't have much to do with whether there's an outside producer or not.

I'm certain that they could get a producer who would work with them on their terms at this point in their career - but they probably just don't want to.

See, and I vaguely suggested it because I think - certainly after the last two albums - it's desperately needed. Hall of the material should've been scrapped by someone, especially with one internal force countering some of this gone. And I find it telling that the "Astonishing" tour apparently didn't sell well - and quickly turned into a Images-and-words-anniversary tour.

That is far from the truth... the Astonishing tour went well except for the second leg in the US. They toured The Astonishing for about a year.
That they continued to tour for another year with Images & Words anniverasry is not a reaction to poor sales....

To me and many others it is actually an Astonishing album. I am soo glad that JP followed through with his vision. They did not need an outside producer, even less now with MP gone in my humble opinion.....
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Evai on December 13, 2017, 03:57:17 PM
It may not be the best album... But it certainly is the most astonishing one.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: TAC on December 13, 2017, 03:59:51 PM
That they continued to tour for another year with Images & Words anniverasry is not a reaction to poor sales....

Right. I don't think a full on I&W 25 tour was the plan. It was really a touring opportunity that feel in their laps.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on December 14, 2017, 01:05:45 AM
That they continued to tour for another year with Images & Words anniverasry is not a reaction to poor sales....

Right. I don't think a full on I&W 25 tour was the plan. It was really a touring opportunity that feel in their laps.

Indeed, they're on record stating that they wanted it to be a short tour, but promoters all around the world wanted it and so they dedicated this year to it.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: 7enderbender on December 14, 2017, 08:23:42 AM
I agree, Roger Waters took that step and Is This The Life We Really Want? turned out to be an amazing album by a guy you'd never expect to be in his 70s.

Speaking of Pink Floyd:that's a great example where a band remained in charge artistically but utilized the right people at the right time often. When you listen to various demos and pre-production takes you see what Alan Parsons brought to the table for instance. Or even using Roy Harper for vocals instead of Roger Waters, etc etc - it's the difference between good and great when the the right people are open to it and things line up. Obviously, it can go horribly wrong also.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on January 10, 2018, 10:12:15 PM
Is there any chance in hell that they'll do an avant garde album? I know Petrucci likes a few avant garde bands (at least in passing)
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Adami on January 10, 2018, 10:16:43 PM
Is there any chance in hell that they'll do an avant garde album? I know Petrucci likes a few avant garde bands (at least in passing)

lol no.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pragmaticcircus on January 10, 2018, 11:13:58 PM
Is there any chance in hell that they'll do an avant garde album? I know Petrucci likes a few avant garde bands (at least in passing)

lol no.

Gladly I didn't hold my breath  :rollin
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on January 12, 2018, 09:46:39 PM
Is there any chance in hell that they'll do an avant garde album? I know Petrucci likes a few avant garde bands (at least in passing)

To be fair, they've been doing that from the beginning.. ;)
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Dreammajesty on January 13, 2018, 02:14:27 AM
I want it to be an DT album.......just like all the other ones  :hat
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on January 14, 2018, 05:42:29 AM
I want it to be an DT album.......just like all the other ones  :hat

Actually, not high, I want that too... :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Evai on January 27, 2018, 07:12:30 PM
I'd like more arrangements where everything isn't just following the guitar. Like The Mirror, where the guitar is just chugging a single chord for a whole minute while the keys do the melody/progression. Or 6:00 which has something like that too. Maybe JP's guitar tone has gotten so big that everything has to follow it now though.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on January 28, 2018, 09:14:15 AM
I'd like more arrangements where everything isn't just following the guitar. Like The Mirror, where the guitar is just chugging a single chord for a whole minute while the keys do the melody/progression. Or 6:00 which has something like that too. Maybe JP's guitar tone has gotten so big that everything has to follow it now though.

I'm not sure what you mean exactly, but The Astonishing is full of moments where the guitar is background or at least a  secondary element in the song..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Evai on January 28, 2018, 09:16:49 AM
The Astonishing is obviously a one-off, and they're never gonna do anything like it again (sadly). I'm talking about the usual stuff they do...
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: cramx3 on January 31, 2018, 03:09:09 PM
Looks like they are entering the studio in May
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on January 31, 2018, 03:09:38 PM
http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dream-theater-to-begin-writing-new-album-in-may/

Here's the link
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Anxiety35 on January 31, 2018, 03:25:20 PM
Jordan quote from the article...

"One of the things that happened with 'The Astonishing', which is our last album, which is kind of like a rock-opera thing, is that we actually had many more ideas than we used,"

Hope they leave those ideas alone and move along.

Also in the article...

"DREAM THEATER guitarist John Petrucci hinted in a recent interview that the band's next album will be musically inspired by the "Images, Words & Beyond" tour"

That's nice. I'm not desiring another Images and Words, but that's good news to hear.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: PetFish on January 31, 2018, 10:10:59 PM
Not an album direction but I'd like to see them have an opening band again.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: CrimsonE on February 01, 2018, 09:42:56 AM
Whatever they do, they gotta have more cowbell  :metal

Seriously, I'd like to see them return to the more progressive stuff, but in check.  Something like ADTOE with a mix of longer and shorter.  Nothing more than 15 minutes unless it's really coherent (like Octavarium).  Also, I'd like them to further explore the heavier side such as in ToT, and skip the ballads entirely. 
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: cramx3 on February 01, 2018, 12:21:11 PM
I'd prefer them to go back to being heavier as well, but I don't see that happening.  Nor do I see them dropping ballads.  But I do expect an I&W/ADTOE type of album.  Those albums are huge fan favorites and I can see them going back to more of that style (for one, they said the last tour inspired them) because I think that will help reunite a fan base that was broken from the last album.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mikeyd23 on February 01, 2018, 12:29:02 PM
I'd prefer them to go back to being heavier as well, but I don't see that happening.  Nor do I see them dropping ballads.  But I do expect an I&W/ADTOE type of album.  Those albums are huge fan favorites and I can see them going back to more of that style (for one, they said the last tour inspired them) because I think that will help reunite a fan base that was broken from the last album.

I don't know, they might go heavy just as a natural reaction to TA being on the lighter side. They kinda did something similar (in reverse) going from the heavy of ToT to the lighter side of things on 8V.

That said, I do agree that they are probably going to shoot for something that they think will reunite the base, something like I&W and/or ADTOE. I think JP actually has a pretty good feel for that sort of thing. I think he knew TA would be hit or miss with the base, but felt strongly enough about the project that he moved forward anyway for the sake of artistic expression (which is great).
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: cramx3 on February 01, 2018, 12:47:40 PM
Well even going that direction may result in something more heavy than TA.  I just don't think they go all TOT heavy though although I think I would welcome some more of that.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on February 01, 2018, 01:18:14 PM
Seriously, I'd like to see them return to the more progressive stuff, but in check.  Something like ADTOE with a mix of longer and shorter.  Nothing more than 15 minutes unless it's really coherent (like Octavarium). 

Oh yeah!  :hat
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on February 01, 2018, 01:23:47 PM
I just want it released now :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on February 03, 2018, 12:15:54 PM
"... for 'The Astonishing', we did have a lot of ideas that we didn't use — not because they were necessarily not good ideas, but because we were trying to really craft something that helped to tell the story. So maybe something just didn't work as well. So we have some things kind of in the can or whatever — they're nice ideas that weren't part of it." (JR)

I kinda saw it coming.. But yeah, bring them on!..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: rumborak on February 03, 2018, 12:59:10 PM
Confirmed: Dream Theater set to release two albums, a Red one and a Blue one. You only get a chance to buy one. Choose carefully, there's no going back. If you get the blue one, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You get the red one - you stay in the Great Northern Empire, and they show you how much time you really have for music.

Wow, you just reminded me of those weird emails DT sent before the release of TA, where you had to choose your side.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: BeardedGentlemanHistorian on March 02, 2018, 04:41:35 PM
Does anyone else think DT might just manage to release DT14 late this year? Train of Thought was written in 3 weeks and came out in November.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Adami on March 02, 2018, 05:26:15 PM
Does anyone else think DT might just manage to release DT14 late this year? Train of Thought was written in 3 weeks and came out in November.

I hope not.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: IDontNotDoThings on March 02, 2018, 05:48:55 PM
Does anyone else think DT might just manage to release DT14 late this year? Train of Thought was written in 3 weeks and came out in November.

Well, ADTOE & DT12 started recording in January & both came out in September (8 months).
TA started recording in February & came out January the following year (11 months).
DT14 started recording in May, so if this isn't a double, it should take around 8 months to release, which would put it in January 2019.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on March 02, 2018, 06:13:37 PM
Does anyone else think DT might just manage to release DT14 late this year? Train of Thought was written in 3 weeks and came out in November.

Well, ADTOE & DT12 started recording in January & both came out in September (8 months).
TA started recording in February & came out January the following year (11 months).
DT14 started recording in May, so if this isn't a double, it should take around 8 months to release, which would put it in January 2019.

 I hope they don't rush the project and take the time they need to write the best they possibly can.  :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Evai on March 02, 2018, 06:22:15 PM

 I hope they don't rush the project and take the time they need to write the best they possibly can.  :metal

Yeah, I don't mind waiting, even though it's like I can't wait Another Day for the next album.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on March 02, 2018, 08:57:51 PM
I think Bosk said that JP told him Inside Out originally wanted the album to be released later this year, but they (DT) are planning an early 2019 release. We'd still get 1 or 2 new singles released this year, anyway, so It's not like we're going to have to wait the whole year to actually listen to something from DT14.

Also, judging by the way Inside Out works/has worked with other bands, my perception is that they work faster and better with releasing new album info/tracks, etc, than, let's say, Roadrunner, so we can't complain :biggrin:

The writing will start in about two months, so I think we'll get updates as soon as they gather in the studio :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Anguyen92 on March 03, 2018, 12:17:38 AM
I want them to create an album that they enjoyed making and feel that their audience can feed off of their enjoyment of making the album and if they feel they can get that done in one month or six months or more, so be it.

I also felt that, despite the mixed reactions of The Astonishing, I loved the way they want to be ambitious going about creating the album which I personally felt like it's the best form of artistic expression.  So I want them to retain that sort of ambition that they had when they created The Astonishing with DT14, but not be The Astonishing Part II (Electric Booglaloo) since that would just be a redo of a recent previous idea and that's going against being progressive in my books. 

I don't know what, but I want them to make something they can get excited about and I don't know if I feel like them being inspired by the recent Images and Words tour and ADTOE album can get them that artistic satisfaction.  However, if they want to resalvage the fanbase that was turned off by TA and do better in the album sales, so be it.  If that's the reason they want to go about the direction of the next album, I just want them to admit it and be honest about it.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Sycsa on March 03, 2018, 06:00:17 AM
I want a heavy, melodic, concise album. DT12 part 2, with better drum production would make me happy.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: DT1138 on March 04, 2018, 05:26:08 PM
I want it hard and heavy ala TOT or SC for sure, but with awesome soloing and a really good sound on all instruments.  I absolutely hate JP's guitar sounds on BCSL.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Ninjabait on March 09, 2018, 10:19:28 AM
I'm honestly a little curious to see if working with David Campbell and the the Bach to Rock tour are going to have any effect on how the album is written, especially in JR's keyboard parts. It'd be interesting to see if he picked up anything from either and polished up his keyboard orchestrations a bit.  It seems like they've both been "going back to their roots" with the I&W tour and incorporating newer influences from TA and other things so it'll be interesting to see how that all blends together on the new album.

Side note, I would not complain at all if they decided to work with David Campbell and an orchestra again.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on March 09, 2018, 12:56:31 PM
I want a heavy, melodic, concise album. DT12 part 2, with better drum production would make me happy.

I've been quite into DT12 recently, another album like this wouldn't definitely be bad. Maybe only with a better mixing indeed.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on March 09, 2018, 06:43:35 PM
I want a heavy, melodic, concise album. DT12 part 2, with better drum production would make me happy.

I've been quite into DT12 recently, another album like this wouldn't definitely be bad. Maybe only with a better mixing indeed.

DT12 is amazing! Even though it's not one of their *best* albums, I think it's very consistent and doesn't have a song I don't like or that I'd consider bad. Still don't understand why many fans don't like it.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Fritzinger on March 10, 2018, 08:58:32 AM
I could imagine them going a bit back to themselves as a "band". With no orchestra, no choir. Just the four instrumentalists and the singer. I'd like that.

I have no concern whatsoever that this album is gonna kick some serious ass. The only wish is a good drum sound.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on March 10, 2018, 07:28:23 PM
I could imagine them going a bit back to themselves as a "band". With no orchestra, no choir. Just the four instrumentalists and the singer. I'd like that.

I think that’s exactly what we’re going to get, and I can’t wait to find out :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kocak on March 11, 2018, 02:25:22 PM
I want them to get an outside producer. Not Chycki, someone else. A fresh set of ears.
And I would like more Mangini involvement to have more creative rhythms.

Also, put the vocal arrangements centre-stage for once. I know that DT are known for instrumental performances, but you can still have great instrumental performance with stellar vocall arrangements.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 12, 2018, 03:36:13 AM
I want them to get an outside producer. Not Chycki, someone else. A fresh set of ears.
And I would like more Mangini involvement to have more creative rhythms.

Also, put the vocal arrangements centre-stage for once. I know that DT are known for instrumental performances, but you can still have great instrumental performance with stellar vocall arrangements.

I hear you with the outside producer thing, it's something people around here have been wanting since the Systematic Chaos days. (11 years, can you believe that?)

But it's not happening. They're commercially successful and they're a band that have pretty much dialed in with their sound and their musicality (if 13 albums that for several people range from good to incredible aren't enough proof of that, I don't know what could be). It makes no sense whatsoever to bring someone in at this late stage of the game to produce Dream Theater because:

1) John Petrucci seems very comfortable being the producer and the rest of the guys seem pretty happy with his job given there's no reason to think otherwise.
2) They've been around for 30 years. They've been arguably the most successful progressive metal band that the genre has given and will probably give, and a big part of that success was garnered under the self-producing helm.

Also, I've noticed a lot of people in the internet saying as of late to "Stop the wankery! We want more melody! More piano! Vocals taking the lead!" Have people even listened to The Astonishing? Or maybe they like to pretend it doesn't exist because it was way too daring to present as a DT album?  :lol Not making fun in any way of your vocal arrangements comment, but definitely I find it something worth discussing. The Astonishing is as vocal-centered and melodic as a DT album can get, and I don't think anyone could argue against that.

One point I resonate fully with you, though, is the Mangini involvement thing. I find it kind of underwhelming to have one of the world's most virtuosic and mathematically competent drummers and have him take the backseat for most of the creative process doesn't make a lot of sense to me. That being said, I have a nice feeling that the next album will feature a healthy dose of Mangini's technical and musical prowess because it's about damn time.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: SwedishGoose on March 12, 2018, 03:44:54 AM
Also, I've noticed a lot of people in the internet saying as of late to "Stop the wankery! We want more melody! More piano! Vocals taking the lead!" Have people even listened to The Astonishing? Or maybe they like to pretend it doesn't exist because it was way too daring to present as a DT album?  :lol Not making fun in any way of your vocal arrangements comment, but definitely I find it something worth discussing.

Soo much this..... The Astonishing is full of melody, full of piano and full of amazing vocal arrangements. To me at least it was all I ever wanted from DT and it became my favorite of theirs for these reasons and for the fantastic compositions with wonderful recurring themes (themes for each character etc...)....
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: bosk1 on March 12, 2018, 09:03:09 AM
One point I resonate fully with you, though, is the Mangini involvement thing. I find it kind of underwhelming to have one of the world's most virtuosic and mathematically competent drummers and have him take the backseat for most of the creative process doesn't make a lot of sense to me. That being said, I have a nice feeling that the next album will feature a healthy dose of Mangini's technical and musical prowess because it's about damn time.

Yes, BUT his "lack of involvement" (or maybe, "lack of utilization during the writing stage" would be more accurate) does make sense in context.  For ADTOE it makes sense given where the band was and what was going on during that time, and Mangini didn't have a problem with it.  Then he was much more involved in DT12.  Had it not been for The Astonishing, I think we would have seen the trend on DT12 continue and expand.  It's just that TA was very unique in how JP approached it, and wanting only the two main composers involved in the writing.  Had that album come along 5 or 6 albums into the Mangini era instead of 3 albums in, I don't think it would have seemed like an issue.  It's just that, with it being only the third, we have a situation where Mangini was marginalized during the writing on 2 out of 3 albums.  I think if we could fast forward to 3 albums down the road from now, assuming he will have the involvement most of us expect, it won't seem like nearly as big a deal.

Of course, if he ends up NOT being utilized much in the writing process on the next album, that's a different story.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Setlist Scotty on March 12, 2018, 12:51:17 PM
It's just that, with it being only the third, we have a situation where Mangini was marginalized during the writing on 2 out of 3 albums.  I think if we could fast forward to 3 albums down the road from now, assuming he will have the involvement most of us expect, it won't seem like nearly as big a deal.
I follow what you're saying, and agree to a certain extent. But I can't help but wonder how much he's marginalized, as is evident by how his drums have sounded on each album. There was *never* a complaint about how MP's drums ever sounded, save for IaW. Granted, MP was a co-producer and probably ensured that his drums sounded great and prominent in the mix, but it seems that with MM not being JP's equal like MP was, even his drums are marginalized in the mix, just as has been the case with JM for a long time (save the s/t album).

That being said, do you (Bosk) or anyone else, know of some of the specific things MM actually contributed songwriting-wise to the s/t album? I don't recall any interviews where specifics were given, and it would be nice to know what some of his ideas were that made it on to the album.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on March 12, 2018, 01:05:16 PM
That being said, do you (Bosk) or anyone else, know of some of the specific things MM actually contributed songwriting-wise to the s/t album? I don't recall any interviews where specifics were given, and it would be nice to know what some of his ideas were that made it on to the album.

I remember MM said on an interview that the crazy riff after the string section on Illumination Theory (the "mothers for their children" part) came from him. Also, I think they discussed around that time how much he and Myung worked together on many parts that ended up being used on the album, like the solo sections on The Looking Glass and Surrender to Reason.

Other than that, I don't think they've shared too much about the writing process of DT12. What we do know, though, is that last year Mangini was constantly writing material for both DT14 and some solo music he's working on. He posted about it quite a few times on social media, so I think it's safe to say he'll be very involved in the writing on the next album (unless they decide not to use his ideas, which would be a bummer).
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: DarkLord_Lalinc on March 12, 2018, 04:30:16 PM
One point I resonate fully with you, though, is the Mangini involvement thing. I find it kind of underwhelming to have one of the world's most virtuosic and mathematically competent drummers and have him take the backseat for most of the creative process doesn't make a lot of sense to me. That being said, I have a nice feeling that the next album will feature a healthy dose of Mangini's technical and musical prowess because it's about damn time.

Yes, BUT his "lack of involvement" (or maybe, "lack of utilization during the writing stage" would be more accurate) does make sense in context.  For ADTOE it makes sense given where the band was and what was going on during that time, and Mangini didn't have a problem with it.  Then he was much more involved in DT12.  Had it not been for The Astonishing, I think we would have seen the trend on DT12 continue and expand.  It's just that TA was very unique in how JP approached it, and wanting only the two main composers involved in the writing.  Had that album come along 5 or 6 albums into the Mangini era instead of 3 albums in, I don't think it would have seemed like an issue.  It's just that, with it being only the third, we have a situation where Mangini was marginalized during the writing on 2 out of 3 albums.  I think if we could fast forward to 3 albums down the road from now, assuming he will have the involvement most of us expect, it won't seem like nearly as big a deal.

Of course, if he ends up NOT being utilized much in the writing process on the next album, that's a different story.
I hear you, but sometimes I cannot help but think that The Astonishing could've been more interesting in the rhythmic department with more of Mangini's input (and this is coming from someone who loves TA with all of his being).
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Architeuthis on March 14, 2018, 06:35:07 AM
I'd almost like to see DT do a hard rock/metal album with minimal keyboards. Still have them in there but not have the keys always do a solo just because there was a guitar solo. Use more continuum for soloing or Hammond/organ type sounds, but let the guitar take the front seat for soloing most of the time. I'd like to hear at least one song without keys at all and have a little fun by putting Jordan on rhythm guitar for a song or two live.
 I love the keyboards and acoustic piano on TA though, that was refreshing from the usual DT formula.
Oh, and another thing. Record DT14 using ANALOG!!!  The new Styx album ( The Mission) is proof that analog sounds so good..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: AngelBack on March 16, 2018, 07:57:21 AM
I'm at the point where I really don't think DT could release music I wouldn't love, whatever the style.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on March 16, 2018, 02:26:40 PM
I'm at the point where I really don't think DT could release music I wouldn't love, whatever the style.

I agree, I love everything they’ve released so far (in 30+ years), so I’m pretty sure DT14 will be completely amazing  :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Lethean on March 16, 2018, 02:43:26 PM
I really wouldn't want them to do a "hard rock" album. I'm sure they could if they wanted to and would do a fine job, but it's generally not my cup of tea.  And I don't want the keys to take a back seat either.  If it's for a song here or there - sure, and same for the guitar taking a back seat on occasion. 
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on March 16, 2018, 05:15:40 PM
I really wouldn't want them to do a "hard rock" album. I'm sure they could if they wanted to and would do a fine job, but it's generally not my cup of tea.  And I don't want the keys to take a back seat either.  If it's for a song here or there - sure, and same for the guitar taking a back seat on occasion.

Completely agree.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ChuckSteak on March 17, 2018, 11:26:37 AM
I'd like the new album to be instrumental.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on March 17, 2018, 11:50:18 AM
I'd like the new album to be instrumental.

And the chances of that happening are................?
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ChuckSteak on March 17, 2018, 12:44:02 PM
I'd like the new album to be instrumental.

And the chances of that happening are................?
Topic title: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?

It doesn't say "post only the kind of albums that have a chance of happening!" anywhere.

I know it won't happen, but I would like it to happen. There are many other posts here wanting a kind of album that most probably won't happen either and I don't see you asking anybody else the chances of happening. It seems you didn't quite like my post and that's what I understand from your reaction.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on March 17, 2018, 12:53:27 PM
Fair enough.

But probably the other unrealistic suggestions from the others didn't require one band member to totally sit out of the album.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: TAC on March 17, 2018, 04:22:56 PM
Fair enough.

But probably the other unrealistic suggestions from the others didn't require one band member to totally sit out of the album.

Well, seems JM may have sat out at least a half dozen albums. ;D
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ChuckSteak on March 17, 2018, 05:10:37 PM
Fair enough.

But probably the other unrealistic suggestions from the others didn't require one band member to totally sit out of the album.

Well, seems JM may have sat out at least a half dozen albums. ;D
And he doesn't seem to mind.  ;D
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: KevShmev on March 18, 2018, 08:30:46 AM
Fun fact: if you listen to Dream Theater albums on a real stereo, you can hear John Myung's bass on every album quite clearly.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Ben_Jamin on March 19, 2018, 02:19:44 AM
Fun fact: if you listen to Dream Theater albums on a real stereo, you can hear John Myung's bass on every album quite clearly.

Yup and he does amazing bass lines on The Astonishing. Not drowned out at all.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: comment on March 21, 2018, 09:41:09 PM
I voted progressive because I want it all.  Heavy, melodic and light with a touch of epic.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: rumborak on March 25, 2018, 09:33:45 PM
This has been popping up in my Google news feed:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/dream_theater_album_update_heavier_sound_no_concept_record_still_never_losing_sight_to_the_melody.html
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on March 26, 2018, 01:41:08 AM
Oh my goodness, who would have thought that after a 2 discs, relatively mellow rock opera they would have done an heavier, non concept album  :D

I understand the need to say it and to keep the news fresh in people's mind, but I don't think anybody should be surprised by their general idea for the next record.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Enigmachine on March 26, 2018, 03:44:28 AM
Oh my goodness, who would have thought that after a 2 discs, relatively mellow rock opera they would have done an heavier, non concept album  :D

I understand the need to say it and to keep the news fresh in people's mind, but I don't think anybody should be surprised by their general idea for the next record.

I guess it's just peace of mind for those who think they've jumped the shark (not me).
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pettor on March 26, 2018, 05:52:07 AM
I would actually like something that sounds like the melodic progressive pieces of The Astonishing. The Gift of Music, A New Beginning, The Path That Divides etc. are all wonderfully crafted pieces imo. Just enough of all the good stuff and filled to the top with melodic candy in the vein of Scenes and Six Degrees.

I am fine with heavy but then with a nice progressive structure and a lot of melodic elements. Home, Glass Prison/TOT-style all works well for me meanwhile Bridges in The Sky, Lost not Forgotten etc. get very boring.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: deggs37 on March 26, 2018, 07:50:16 AM
Even though I wasn't big into The Astonishing, what I really admired about it was that it was something they really wanted to do (well at least JP and JR). I don't want the next album to be an attempt "to right the ship" to appease the people who didn't like The Astonishing. What I REALLY wish is that they would go back to having a more dynamic listening experience, the last few DT albums have been really fatiguing which makes them harder to enjoy for me. Also, I really dislike how the drums sound. I miss hearing cymbals clearly, I miss the snare not sounding like a gunshot. I wish they would let Mangini have a little more say in the SOUND of his drums, or even bring back MP to mix the drums, and then reduce the volume by like 2.5 DB or something  :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kattelox on March 26, 2018, 09:29:12 AM
Ugh. No, thanks. Stop trying to be so heavy. James simply does not fit that vibe - less so with each passing year. Let the man sing soft stuff, if you're gonna go heavy please don't try to do The Enemy Inside or Dark Eternal Night again. Really don't like when DT actively tries to pursue 'heavy' but I'll still be buying the new album on day one.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Adami on March 26, 2018, 09:42:04 AM
Ugh. No, thanks. Stop trying to be so heavy. James simply does not fit that vibe - less so with each passing year. Let the man sing soft stuff, if you're gonna go heavy please don't try to do The Enemy Inside or Dark Eternal Night again. Really don't like when DT actively tries to pursue 'heavy' but I'll still be buying the new album on day one.


Depends what kind of heavy you mean. His solo albums are really heavy and he sounds great on them.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on March 26, 2018, 09:43:43 AM
Ugh. No, thanks. Stop trying to be so heavy. James simply does not fit that vibe - less so with each passing year. Let the man sing soft stuff, if you're gonna go heavy please don't try to do The Enemy Inside or Dark Eternal Night again. Really don't like when DT actively tries to pursue 'heavy' but I'll still be buying the new album on day one.

I’d rather have TEI and TDEN instead of another TOT. My bet is that the next album will be similar stylistically to ADTOE/DT12/IAW/Awake.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: deggs37 on March 26, 2018, 09:44:40 AM
Ugh. No, thanks. Stop trying to be so heavy. James simply does not fit that vibe - less so with each passing year. Let the man sing soft stuff, if you're gonna go heavy please don't try to do The Enemy Inside or Dark Eternal Night again. Really don't like when DT actively tries to pursue 'heavy' but I'll still be buying the new album on day one.

James sounds pretty good doing heavy on his solo albums.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kattelox on March 26, 2018, 10:39:08 AM
Yeah, on his solo works (which are really just Matt Guillory's albums, let's be honest) he sounds great, but in DT he sounds like ass when they go the heavy route. I guess all I can do is wait for a single. God have mercy on the production this time
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: pg1067 on March 26, 2018, 10:49:47 AM
bring back MP to mix the drums

Say what?!

I think you have a better chance of winning the lottery...twice...in a row.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pettor on March 27, 2018, 01:40:05 AM
Ugh. No, thanks. Stop trying to be so heavy. James simply does not fit that vibe - less so with each passing year. Let the man sing soft stuff, if you're gonna go heavy please don't try to do The Enemy Inside or Dark Eternal Night again. Really don't like when DT actively tries to pursue 'heavy' but I'll still be buying the new album on day one.

The Glass Prison and The Mirror disagrees  :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kattelox on March 27, 2018, 06:43:28 AM
Yeah, those are good. I'm talking specifically about ther approach to being heavy in, say, the last ten years. They did it well when they were younger but personally the new stuff doesn't sound great when they to be metullll
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on March 27, 2018, 09:50:21 AM
Moment of Betrayal?
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kattelox on March 27, 2018, 10:03:54 AM
Good tune. An example of them succeeding at being heavy without trying so hard at it. Just my opinion! MoB is heavy DT done right, doesn't sound forced like The Enemy Inside.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Enigmachine on March 27, 2018, 10:56:05 AM
Good tune. An example of them succeeding at being heavy without trying so hard at it. Just my opinion! MoB is heavy DT done right, doesn't sound forced like The Enemy Inside.

Interesting. What is forced about 'The Enemy Inside' which isn't forced about 'Moment of Betrayal'? On a surface level, I'd say that they're pretty similar songs.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Architeuthis on March 27, 2018, 11:04:00 AM
Good tune. An example of them succeeding at being heavy without trying so hard at it. Just my opinion! MoB is heavy DT done right, doesn't sound forced like The Enemy Inside.

Interesting. What is forced about 'The Enemy Inside' which isn't forced about 'Moment of Betrayal'? On a surface level, I'd say that they're pretty similar songs.
Moment of Betrayal has a sense of urgency and is a better song imo,  the chorus is more catchy and the song has more substance than The Enemy Inside.  Both are good songs, MOB has the upper edge for me.  Behind The Veil beats them both as far as a heavier DT song..  :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kattelox on March 27, 2018, 11:21:15 AM
Good tune. An example of them succeeding at being heavy without trying so hard at it. Just my opinion! MoB is heavy DT done right, doesn't sound forced like The Enemy Inside.

Interesting. What is forced about 'The Enemy Inside' which isn't forced about 'Moment of Betrayal'? On a surface level, I'd say that they're pretty similar songs.

Honestly it's hard to pinpoint and just comes down to me not digging the vibe of the song at all. The melody isn't heavy or aggressive enough to match the furious riff (which is really cool by the way) and it just doesn't have the same oomph. MoB sounds like classic heavy DT right down to the synths, but Enemy Inside to me just sounds like it's trying to be heavier than it actually is. To me there's a sense of urgency - thanks Arch, that is exactly the term I was looking for - and organized chaos in MoB that is noticeably heavier and more 'metal.'
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on March 27, 2018, 11:45:40 AM
Behind The Veil beats them both as far as a heavier DT song..  :metal

I don't disagree with this :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Enigmachine on March 28, 2018, 08:42:40 AM
Good tune. An example of them succeeding at being heavy without trying so hard at it. Just my opinion! MoB is heavy DT done right, doesn't sound forced like The Enemy Inside.

Interesting. What is forced about 'The Enemy Inside' which isn't forced about 'Moment of Betrayal'? On a surface level, I'd say that they're pretty similar songs.

Honestly it's hard to pinpoint and just comes down to me not digging the vibe of the song at all. The melody isn't heavy or aggressive enough to match the furious riff (which is really cool by the way) and it just doesn't have the same oomph. MoB sounds like classic heavy DT right down to the synths, but Enemy Inside to me just sounds like it's trying to be heavier than it actually is. To me there's a sense of urgency - thanks Arch, that is exactly the term I was looking for - and organized chaos in MoB that is noticeably heavier and more 'metal.'

I think I get what you mean. The heaviness in TEI is not as unified. The vocals are quite tame in comparison to the heavy backing and it kind of gets stuck in the verse rhythm for a while. Not the most dynamic song, I'll admit. There is more momentum to MoB, more things happening and has a good dynamic progression. Even though TEI has heavy riffs, it doesn't have a lot of aggression either.

It's also quite slow for a metal track, only around 130 bpm or so in the verses. MoB is actually quite a bit faster on a consistent basis (around 150-180 bpm). Might explain the urgency.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: bosk1 on March 28, 2018, 12:46:57 PM
Yeah, I remember when the album first came out, and not being overly thrilled with TEI.  I didn't dislike it.  But I wasn't crazy about it either.  JP asked me what I thought, obviously excited about the new material and "lead single," and I struggled a bit with how to be honest while also being polite and not dampen his enthusiasm.  I think I said something about liking it, but not really having had a good opportunity to properly digest it and appreciate what was going on, whereas some of the other songs on the album grabbed me more quickly.  But seeing it live definitely helped and gave me a better appreciation for the song that has continued. 

Moment of Betrayal was an immediate like from the time I first heard it on the advance promo sampler.  But as much as I liked it initially, I have to say that it has an even greater impact when hearing it in context of the album flowing right from 2285 Entr'acte.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on March 28, 2018, 01:11:36 PM
I personally think TEI is a great opening concert track. I like that song A LOT. But it is IMHO inferior, in terms of musical quality, to BTV or TBP
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on March 28, 2018, 01:12:40 PM
But yes, another album in the vein of DT12 would certainly satisfy me in every level.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Super Dude on April 05, 2018, 12:31:54 AM
If I understood James's Facebook story right, there's going to be a new album in June?
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Fritzinger on April 05, 2018, 07:55:38 AM
If I understood James's Facebook story right, there's going to be a new album in June?

Wait WHAT

June 2019, or not? Last info I heard was that they haven't even recorded anything yet. Plus, they would have posted something by now.

EDIT Ah, just looked it up: He said, that recording the new album will begin in June.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mikeyd23 on April 05, 2018, 08:03:53 AM
^ Right, they are supposed to be getting together over the summer to start writing the new record.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on April 05, 2018, 08:36:58 AM
Yes, I think Jordan said they’ll enter the studio around May or June to start working on DT14. I seriously cannot wait :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Architeuthis on April 05, 2018, 10:38:22 AM
I still think recording Analog would make for a really good sounding DT album..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: cramx3 on April 05, 2018, 03:05:56 PM
I know this kind of sums up the above, but:

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dream-theater-to-begin-work-on-new-album-in-june-february-2019-release-expected/ (http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/dream-theater-to-begin-work-on-new-album-in-june-february-2019-release-expected/)

February release is the aim  :metal

Also says JLB is working on a new solo album  :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Herrick on April 05, 2018, 07:34:02 PM
Yeah, I remember when the album first came out, and not being overly thrilled with TEI.  I didn't dislike it.  But I wasn't crazy about it either.  JP asked me what I thought, obviously excited about the new material and "lead single," and I struggled a bit with how to be honest while also being polite and not dampen his enthusiasm.

Sorry for going off topic. I always wondered are you friends with Petrucci? That's kind of cool that he asked you about your thoughts on the last album.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: bosk1 on April 06, 2018, 08:43:01 AM
Yeah, I remember when the album first came out, and not being overly thrilled with TEI.  I didn't dislike it.  But I wasn't crazy about it either.  JP asked me what I thought, obviously excited about the new material and "lead single," and I struggled a bit with how to be honest while also being polite and not dampen his enthusiasm.

Sorry for going off topic. I always wondered are you friends with Petrucci? That's kind of cool that he asked you about your thoughts on the last album.

I know him because of my work here.  We chat via email every now and then, and I always get to sit and hang with him and the band after (and sometimes for a bit before) shows when they are in town.  He has told me he considers me a "friend," but I think he is just being kind.  I can't say we know each other well enough to really be considered friends.  But then again, for his part, it's amazing to me the little, seemingly insignificant details about me that he remembers, and the lengths he goes to to reach out every now and then about things he thinks I might be interested in.  I really appreciate that.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Herrick on April 06, 2018, 10:26:12 AM
Yeah, I remember when the album first came out, and not being overly thrilled with TEI.  I didn't dislike it.  But I wasn't crazy about it either.  JP asked me what I thought, obviously excited about the new material and "lead single," and I struggled a bit with how to be honest while also being polite and not dampen his enthusiasm.

Sorry for going off topic. I always wondered are you friends with Petrucci? That's kind of cool that he asked you about your thoughts on the last album.

I know him because of my work here.  We chat via email every now and then, and I always get to sit and hang with him and the band after (and sometimes for a bit before) shows when they are in town.  He has told me he considers me a "friend," but I think he is just being kind.  I can't say we know each other well enough to really be considered friends.  But then again, for his part, it's amazing to me the little, seemingly insignificant details about me that he remembers, and the lengths he goes to to reach out every now and then about things he thinks I might be interested in.  I really appreciate that.

That's cool. Sounds like a friendship to me :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Fritzinger on April 06, 2018, 02:41:22 PM
I don't know why JLB continuously starts working on a new solo album when ever DT are. AIRC he did the same around DT12. I would like it better if he was more involved into DTs work. But that maybe just because I don't really like his solo stuff that much.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Madman Shepherd on April 06, 2018, 03:18:28 PM
I don't know why JLB continuously starts working on a new solo album when ever DT are. AIRC he did the same around DT12. I would like it better if he was more involved into DTs work. But that maybe just because I don't really like his solo stuff that much.

I agree that I wish he were more involved at least with the lyric writing.  I think that is more because Petrucci prefers to do most of it. 

I think with JLB's new solo album, he had planned that for a while and DT was going to take more of a break and not start recording until late 2018 but that changed. 
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: cramx3 on April 06, 2018, 03:24:43 PM
I don't know why JLB continuously starts working on a new solo album when ever DT are. AIRC he did the same around DT12. I would like it better if he was more involved into DTs work. But that maybe just because I don't really like his solo stuff that much.

I agree that I wish he were more involved at least with the lyric writing.  I think that is more because Petrucci prefers to do most of it. 

I think with JLB's new solo album, he had planned that for a while and DT was going to take more of a break and not start recording until late 2018 but that changed.

Yea, without knowing more info, I think that's the case as well.  JLB had said he wanted to tour wiht his band and DT were going to take time off.  But now DT moved things forward and it may have made the scheduling a bit tougher for JLB. 

Also, it's just speculation that JLB can't be involved in both.  We don't really know much about either band's plans besides they will both be working on albums.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: pg1067 on April 06, 2018, 04:56:21 PM
I don't know why JLB continuously starts working on a new solo album when ever DT are. AIRC he did the same around DT12. I would like it better if he was more involved into DTs work. But that maybe just because I don't really like his solo stuff that much.

I agree that I wish he were more involved at least with the lyric writing.  I think that is more because Petrucci prefers to do most of it. 

I think with JLB's new solo album, he had planned that for a while and DT was going to take more of a break and not start recording until late 2018 but that changed.

I don't know anything about JLB's solo stuff.  However, it's been six and a half years since he made a lyrical contribution to a DT album and over a decade since he wrote the lyrics to a "full length" DT song, so I would imagine he's got a bunch of stuff lying around that could be used for DT14 or a solo album
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on April 06, 2018, 05:07:54 PM
I don't know why JLB continuously starts working on a new solo album when ever DT are. AIRC he did the same around DT12. I would like it better if he was more involved into DTs work. But that maybe just because I don't really like his solo stuff that much.

I agree that I wish he were more involved at least with the lyric writing.  I think that is more because Petrucci prefers to do most of it. 

I think with JLB's new solo album, he had planned that for a while and DT was going to take more of a break and not start recording until late 2018 but that changed.

I don't know anything about JLB's solo stuff.  However, it's been six and a half years since he made a lyrical contribution to a DT album and over a decade since he wrote the lyrics to a "full length" DT song, so I would imagine he's got a bunch of stuff lying around that could be used for DT14 or a solo album

Matt Guillory writes lyrics for many songs on JLB solo abums, though.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Super Dude on April 14, 2018, 05:55:41 AM
If I understood James's Facebook story right, there's going to be a new album in June?

Wait WHAT

June 2019, or not? Last info I heard was that they haven't even recorded anything yet. Plus, they would have posted something by now.

EDIT Ah, just looked it up: He said, that recording the new album will begin in June.

D'oh! I thought I might've misheard something.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: fadetoblackdude7 on April 14, 2018, 11:02:59 AM
For DT14, I would like a perfect mix of BC&SL and ADTOE - the heaviness/balls/melody of BC&SL and the technicality/composition of ADTOE.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: adamack on April 14, 2018, 03:41:36 PM
The amount of "soft" material on TA makes me want DT to come back with a vengeance. So I want something heavy, but also very progressive.

If I had to pick an album I'd want it to sound like most, it'd be Six Degrees without question. If they can give one more effort like that before they retire, I will feel so satisfied.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Herrick on April 14, 2018, 03:46:35 PM
The amount of "soft" material on TA makes me want DT to come back with a vengeance. So I want something heavy, but also very progressive.

If I had to pick an album I'd want it to sound like most, it'd be Six Degrees without question. If they can give one more effort like that before they retire, I will feel so satisfied.

I'd buy that for a dollar.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on May 25, 2018, 08:06:44 AM
THEY ARE SPYING US!!!!!!

DT just posted on FB this very question, basically copying and pasting the title thread and the four poll options!
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: noxon on May 25, 2018, 08:30:31 AM
It's intentional :P
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on May 25, 2018, 08:31:40 AM
Yeah, I figured that either they're browsing the forum, or bosk or someone like you passes along crucial informations and suggestions  :P but the spying angle was funnier  ;D
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on May 25, 2018, 08:46:42 AM
I was about to post the same thing here :lol

Anyway, DT are entering the studio next month, and I’m already very excited :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 25, 2018, 08:49:04 AM
Gosh, I hope that's just for the sake of social media engagement... I really don't think it's a great idea for artists to ask the fans what they want and try to make it. I'd rather they write whatever they are inspired to write.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on May 25, 2018, 08:50:18 AM
Gosh, I hope that's just for the sake of social media engagement... I really don't think it's a great idea for artists to ask the fans what they want and try to make it. I'd rather they write whatever they are inspired to write.

Maybe they have already a clear idea of what they want to do, and they justy want to know beforehand how many fans they will piss off  this time :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: nikatapi on May 25, 2018, 08:51:06 AM
To be honest i have mixed feelings about DT posting in FB this question.
I know TA has created a lot of controversy, but first the I&W tour, then this, i feel like they're doing things for the fans' (and their pockets) sake.
Of course TA is the exact opposite of this, but seems like after the criticism they are looking to re-orient themselves into what the fanbase would expect.

From my point off view, i like DT at their most experimental (SDOIT for example) so i would really love them to get together and make a record without any pre-conceived idea. Something organic and spontaneous, and collaborative.

Also, hopefully they'll mix up the engineering-mixing-producing aspect a bit. I would really like to hear a less processed, more organic sound with powerful drums and clarity. More crazy Mangini is never a bad idea.
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Post by: Kattelox on May 25, 2018, 08:51:32 AM
I'm sure it's just fan engagement. These guys aren't spring chickens... they'll make what they want to make, but I see nothing wrong with asking the fans what they would like to hear.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: mikeyd23 on May 25, 2018, 08:57:47 AM
To be honest i have mixed feelings about DT posting in FB this question.
I know TA has created a lot of controversy, but first the I&W tour, then this, i feel like they're doing things for the fans' (and their pockets) sake.
Of course TA is the exact opposite of this, but seems like after the criticism they are looking to re-orient themselves into what the fanbase would expect.

From my point off view, i like DT at their most experimental (SDOIT for example) so i would really love them to get together and make a record without any pre-conceived idea. Something organic and spontaneous, and collaborative.

This is spot on - basically since MP left each record has felt like it had a preconceived theme or idea. ADTOE was the "classic" DT album, DT was the "short song structure with an epic at the end" album and TA obviously was very pre-planned. Now don't get me wrong, I've liked all the MM era albums they are actually aging pretty well for me, so I'm not saying those albums are bad, just that I'd love to see them have no preconceived idea and just write and experiment. SDOIT is the perfect example of this, IMO. They had the very well thought out title track, but then also the experimental tracks.

Also, hopefully they'll mix up the engineering-mixing-producing aspect a bit. I would really like to hear a less processed, more organic sound with powerful drums and clarity. More crazy Mangini is never a bad idea.

Well, yea. Ditto, but I've seen nothing to suggest they are moving away from Rich. I really wish they would, but they seem super happy with him.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on May 25, 2018, 10:08:22 AM
I'm sure it's just fan engagement. These guys aren't spring chickens... they'll make what they want to make, but I see nothing wrong with asking the fans what they would like to hear.

Exactly. It's just a way of engaging with the fans, it's not like JP and Jordan are waiting for the fb comments to start writing the album or whatever. Even James said they already have a very good idea of what they're going to do on the album. They only need to start writing and recording material on the direction they already planned.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Ninjabait on May 25, 2018, 10:47:47 AM
THEY ARE SPYING US!!!!!!

DT just posted on FB this very question, basically copying and pasting the title thread and the four poll options!

That guy who suggested they do bluegrass is my favorite. I'd also be curious to see how the'd rework some songs off of WD&DU (which was another popular comment) as a side release like Haken's Restoration or something.

And the number of people who want Metropolis Pt 3 really shows that the fans should not be in charge of the music in any way whatsoever. I'm seeing a lot of stupid suggestions in the fb comments really

Pretty much everyone in the band has said (repeatedly) that the album is going to be a bit on the heavy side (which, hilariously, was also the clear winner in their poll lol). I think this is mostly just to drive up fan engagement and keep The Band and the Brand (dibs on that album name) in the fans' minds. We're probably not getting an album til 2019 so they need to do something to keep the fans hooked lol.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on May 25, 2018, 10:56:55 AM
We're probably not getting an album til 2019 so they need to do something to keep the fans hooked lol.

This is why I wish they posted more studio updates and short clips of things they are working on during their writing or recording times. Many bands do this and it's not hard at all, just take out your phone, record it, post it and that's it. It's a great way to engage the fans during a long wait like that.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on May 25, 2018, 11:47:16 AM
And the number of people who want Metropolis Pt 3 really shows that the fans should not be in charge of the music in any way whatsoever.

Do they even listen to the songs or the interviews?  :lol I have nothing but absolute, wild, full, untethered, unchecked and fanboyish praise, love, adoration and devotion for Metropolis pt.1 and Scenes from a Memory, but the band is on record saying that they added "pt. 1" just for the lulz and that they wanted to do a concept album and the idea to tie it with Metropolis, with a plot HEAVILY lifted from the Dead Again movie, came only later.

Furthermore, every character of the saga died in two chronologies, except for the villain. What even a part 3 is supposed to be about?  :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kattelox on May 25, 2018, 11:53:10 AM
And the number of people who want Metropolis Pt 3 really shows that the fans should not be in charge of the music in any way whatsoever.

Do they even listen to the songs or the interviews?  :lol I have nothing but absolute, wild, full, untethered, unchecked and fanboyish praise, love, adoration and devotion for Metropolis pt.1 and Scenes from a Memory, but the band is on record saying that they added "pt. 1" just for the lulz and that they wanted to do a concept album and the idea to tie it with Metropolis, with a plot HEAVILY lifted from the Dead Again movie, came only later.

Furthermore, every character of the saga died in two chronologies, except for the villain. What even a part 3 is supposed to be about?  :lol

Part 3 is about the guy who sold Nicholas his record player. Turns out it's HAUNTED! :metardica:
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Lethean on May 25, 2018, 11:58:20 AM
His record player, or his music player?
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Ninjabait on May 25, 2018, 12:26:51 PM
And the number of people who want Metropolis Pt 3 really shows that the fans should not be in charge of the music in any way whatsoever.

Do they even listen to the songs or the interviews?  :lol I have nothing but absolute, wild, full, untethered, unchecked and fanboyish praise, love, adoration and devotion for Metropolis pt.1 and Scenes from a Memory, but the band is on record saying that they added "pt. 1" just for the lulz and that they wanted to do a concept album and the idea to tie it with Metropolis, with a plot HEAVILY lifted from the Dead Again movie, came only later.

Furthermore, every character of the saga died in two chronologies, except for the villain. What even a part 3 is supposed to be about?  :lol

It'd be about a dystopian future where the population is controlled (and, spoiler alert, sometimes exploded) by giant Noise Machines controlled by the tyrannical Greater Northern Empire. They ban all music while hypocritically still keeping some for themselves and rule with an iron fist. Then, in the village of Ravenskill a man named Gabriel is discovered to have strong musical abilities and a singing voice that can heal wounds, deafen, change moods, and give people physical strength. His brother Ahrys wants him to use his singing voice to power up the troops so they can overthrow the GNE and avenge the death of his dead wife Evangeline. Gabriel is hesitant to do so. Then word of Gabriel's powers reaches the Lord Nafaryus (who's real name is actually - spoilers again- Edward) and he goes to Ravenskill to investigate. There Gabriel demonstrates his powers to Nafaryus who's impressed and moved. Nafaryus' daughter Faythe is then like "yo this reminds me of my childhood when I was running around listening to my music playah". Low and behold Faythe and Gabriel get the hots for each other start eyeshagging each other and Nafaryus is like "hell naw" and gives Ravenskill three days to surrender Gabriel or be destroyed.

Ahrys and Gabriel have an argument about his magic voice and giving him up to the army, while Faythe tries to convince her mother Arabelle to let her go and parlay with Ravenskill. She agrees, but sends her brother Daryus out there with her. Daryus has a real chip on his shoulder, because Faythe is daddy's favorite and no one has given him those cool nicknames like Faythe and Nafaryus which is a super important part of their family. Faythe manages to parlay with Ahrys and Gabriel (who btw also gave himself one of those names to mock the royal family), and Faythe and Gabriel exchange numbers and text each other "send nudes winky face". Faythe returns to try to convince her dad to parlay with her new daddy, while the family disappointment kidnaps Ahrys's son Xander and says "Yo Ahrys, Wonder Woman's coming for ya. Also, your brother or your son you decide". Ahrys is conflicted but decides to give up Gabriel, while Faythe convinces her dad to parlay with Gabriel at the Heaven's Cove amphitheater.

On the night of the third day, the moon starts hurtling towards the Earth. Also, Ahrys gets cold feet and goes to the amphitheater to confront Daryus. After dropping some mad bars, Daryus and Ahrys start duking it out but it turns out Xander followed Ahrys there. Daryus is like "hell naw" and explodes Ahrys' organs with a NOMAC. In front of his like 10 year old. Geez. Just as Daryus is about to finish off Xander (GEEZ), a hooded figure starts walking by and Daryus is like "yo this is that chosen one lemme ice this dude so dad loves me". So he stabs the hooded figure, and it turns out its his sister Faythe. Oops. She's like "you jerk you stabbed me" and starts dying. Gabriel shows up and is understandably mad that Daryus stabbed his honey, so they starts fighting (Xander too). Gabriel's like "hell naw" and uses a magic scream to deafen Daryus. Nafaryus and Arabelle show up and they're like "yo what why's everyone dead", and Daryus is like "WHAT'S THAT?". Gabriel starts given a "Previously on The Astonishing", and Nafaryus is like "bro you're magic heal our BABY". Gabriel's like "can't fam in law, I lost my voice" and Daryus is like "WHAT's THAT?". Then the townsfolk all come about and sing an anthem for Gabriel, someone gets him some herbal tea which inspires him to heal Faythe's wounds with his voice. Nafaryus is like "thanks fam" and deactivates the NOMACs and pardons Daryus, who's like "WHAT'S THAT?". No more dictatorship, and Faythe and Gabriel start going steady. Fin.

That's how I imagine it'd go.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on May 25, 2018, 12:43:48 PM
Just as Daryus is about to finish off Xander (GEEZ), a hooded figure starts walking by and Daryus is like "yo this is that chosen one lemme ice this dude so dad loves me". So he stabs the hooded figure, and it turns out its his sister Faythe. Oops. She's like "you jerk you stabbed me" and starts dying.

 :rollin

Please remind me of the plot of Scenes from a Memory 'cause I forgot about it  :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: bosk1 on May 25, 2018, 12:55:28 PM
THEY ARE SPYING US!!!!!!

DT just posted on FB this very question, basically copying and pasting the title thread and the four poll options!

Well, you've got people like me and Noxon on this forum, so...  Reminds me of this dialog from The Firm:

Quote
Avery Tolar: How'd you find that out?

Bill DeVasher: What do you think I am around here, the fucking night watchman?

Avery Tolar: I get confused sometimes.

Bill DeVasher: Well, don't.

;)
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kattelox on May 25, 2018, 01:10:37 PM
His record player, or his music player?

Did they have MP3 players back in Ye Olde 1999?  I was 8, so I can't remember. :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Ninjabait on May 25, 2018, 01:22:03 PM
Just as Daryus is about to finish off Xander (GEEZ), a hooded figure starts walking by and Daryus is like "yo this is that chosen one lemme ice this dude so dad loves me". So he stabs the hooded figure, and it turns out its his sister Faythe. Oops. She's like "you jerk you stabbed me" and starts dying.

 :rollin

Please remind me of the plot of Scenes from a Memory 'cause I forgot about it  :lol

You got it.

So this dude Nicholas starts having weird dreams about some chick named Victoria. And not the normal weird dreams that people named Nicholas have about chicks named Victoria. Turns out Victoria's some crazy ghost chick who keeps trying to tell him something, but he doesn't speak ghost so he's like "lady, I don't speak ghost". So he goes to a hypnotherapist to see if the hypnotherapist can help him understand ghostspeak. The hypnotherapist's response is "uh you got insurance bro" and Nicholas is like "fo sho eezy man". So the hypnotherapist sends Nicholas to napville 1928 where he sees Victoria. She's like "yo I was you in a past life and I got murdered help me solve the mystery" and Nicholas is like "I gotchu, uh me". Turns out Victoria's honey Julian had some drinking and gambling problems so she bounces out of there and hooks up with his brother Edward. Nicky boy jumps to conclusions and is like "a ha! Julian did it in the foyer with a can of mustard" because he saw a newspaper. Nick talks to some geezer and old school is like "yo bro that's fake news". Mr. Easily Swayed starts doubting the conclusions he jumped to and decides to not rest until he solves the murder of his hotter past self.

We cut to Julian who's all about that snow and dice. There's an obligatory sex scene (because OF COURSE THERE IS) and Victoria bounces for real, except now on to Edward's lap. Ed is like "nah it ain't right she's with my bro", but then 3 minutes later he's like "but I haven't gotten that good ladytime in like a month so" and Eddy ends up sleeping with Victoria. Captain Time Travel is like "a ha! Julian did in the library with a wrench because of the affair!" because the newspaper again. But this time the old man isn't around to say fake news so he's like "problem solved I'm going home". The hypnotherapist is like "cool, I'm bringing you up now that'll be $30,000" but Vicky is naggin him like "THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED STUPID GET BACK HERE". But Sherlock already went home to be with his wife and kids (btw he has a wife and kids forgot to mention that earlier), or a hotel to meet with his side ho. It's not clear. He's all like "yo I'm glad I solved this mystery, if I bit it tomorrow I'd be chill, not that that's ever going to happen nudge nudge wink wink". We cut back to 1928, when PLOT TWIST IT WAS EDWARD. Apparently Victor was like "nah Julie's a better shag so I'm going back to him" but Senator Edward (btw he's like a senator or something) was like "OH NO YOU AIN'T" and ices the both of them, framing it on Julian. Before doing so, he tells Vic to open her eyes (which is what the therapist said to wake him up hint hint). So anyways, back to present day. Nicholas turns off CNN, pours himself a scotch on the rocks, and listens to some triumphant classical on his record player (true story Nick is an audiophile kind of guy). But Senior Stupid over here left the door open and the Hypnotherapist comes in and is like "open your eyes" and shanks the dude. With a bullet. That he fired from the gun. Turns out the hypnotherapist was the reincarnated Edward. Plot twist! He then knocks over the record player, which kills it and a bunch of static comes out. A horrifying double murder. Fin.

His record player, or his music player?

Did they have MP3 players back in Ye Olde 1999?  I was 8, so I can't remember. :lol

Yes, but most people either listened to music on CDs or radios. It wasn't until the mid 2000s that iPods and other mp3 players caught on.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on May 25, 2018, 01:29:15 PM
But Sherlock already went home to be with his wife and kids (btw he has a wife and kids forgot to mention that earlier),

Don't worry, DT too basically kinda forgot to mention it earlier or later than Through Her Eyes or having it matter in any kind of way whatsoever  :lol

Brilliant staff  :hefdaddy
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 25, 2018, 01:33:06 PM
Just as Daryus is about to finish off Xander (GEEZ), a hooded figure starts walking by and Daryus is like "yo this is that chosen one lemme ice this dude so dad loves me". So he stabs the hooded figure, and it turns out its his sister Faythe. Oops. She's like "you jerk you stabbed me" and starts dying.

 :rollin

Please remind me of the plot of Scenes from a Memory 'cause I forgot about it  :lol

You got it.

So this dude Nicholas starts having weird dreams about some chick named Victoria. And not the normal weird dreams that people named Nicholas have about chicks named Victoria. Turns out Victoria's some crazy ghost chick who keeps trying to tell him something, but he doesn't speak ghost so he's like "lady, I don't speak ghost". So he goes to a hypnotherapist to see if the hypnotherapist can help him understand ghostspeak. The hypnotherapist's response is "uh you got insurance bro" and Nicholas is like "fo sho eezy man". So the hypnotherapist sends Nicholas to napville 1928 where he sees Victoria. She's like "yo I was you in a past life and I got murdered help me solve the mystery" and Nicholas is like "I gotchu, uh me". Turns out Victoria's honey Julian had some drinking and gambling problems so she bounces out of there and hooks up with his brother Edward. Nicky boy jumps to conclusions and is like "a ha! Julian did it in the foyer with a can of mustard" because he saw a newspaper. Nick talks to some geezer and old school is like "yo bro that's fake news". Mr. Easily Swayed starts doubting the conclusions he jumped to and decides to not rest until he solves the murder of his hotter past self.

We cut to Julian who's all about that snow and dice. There's an obligatory sex scene (because OF COURSE THERE IS) and Victoria bounces for real, except now on to Edward's lap. Ed is like "nah it ain't right she's with my bro", but then 3 minutes later he's like "but I haven't gotten that good ladytime in like a month so" and Eddy ends up sleeping with Victoria. Captain Time Travel is like "a ha! Julian did in the library with a wrench because of the affair!" because the newspaper again. But this time the old man isn't around to say fake news so he's like "problem solved I'm going home". The hypnotherapist is like "cool, I'm bringing you up now that'll be $30,000" but Vicky is naggin him like "THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED STUPID GET BACK HERE". But Sherlock already went home to be with his wife and kids (btw he has a wife and kids forgot to mention that earlier), or a hotel to meet with his side ho. It's not clear. He's all like "yo I'm glad I solved this mystery, if I bit it tomorrow I'd be chill, not that that's ever going to happen nudge nudge wink wink". We cut back to 1928, when PLOT TWIST IT WAS EDWARD. Apparently Victor was like "nah Julie's a better shag so I'm going back to him" but Senator Edward (btw he's like a senator or something) was like "OH NO YOU AIN'T" and ices the both of them, framing it on Julian. Before doing so, he tells Vic to open her eyes (which is what the therapist said to wake him up hint hint). So anyways, back to present day. Nicholas turns off CNN, pours himself a scotch on the rocks, and listens to some triumphant classical on his record player (true story Nick is an audiophile kind of guy). But Senior Stupid over here left the door open and the Hypnotherapist comes in and is like "open your eyes" and shanks the dude. With a bullet. That he fired from the gun. Turns out the hypnotherapist was the reincarnated Edward. Plot twist! He then knocks over the record player, which kills it and a bunch of static comes out. A horrifying double murder. Fin.



Omg pleez do this for every DT song and every concept album ever made.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kattelox on May 25, 2018, 02:18:25 PM
Ninja put a lot of work into that. Well done.  :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Ninjabait on May 25, 2018, 02:24:43 PM
Ninja put a lot of work into that. Well done.  :lol

That depends on what your definition of "is" "a lot of work" is. And what your definition of "well done" is. And what your definition of "put" is.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kattelox on May 25, 2018, 02:33:04 PM
 :rollin
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: pg1067 on May 25, 2018, 03:26:42 PM
Furthermore, every character of the saga died in two chronologies, except for the villain. What even a part 3 is supposed to be about?  :lol

Metropolis Part 3:  Victoria's Secret.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Ninjabait on May 25, 2018, 05:28:34 PM
Man, this post seems to have SMASHED it OUT of the PARK with getting fans engaged. 2.7k comments, 2.3k shares, and 14k reactions (plus smaller numbers on other pages that have shared the post) in 9 hours. Those are some freaking crazy numbers
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on May 26, 2018, 04:18:04 AM
Man, this post seems to have SMASHED it OUT of the PARK with getting fans engaged. 2.7k comments, 2.3k shares, and 14k reactions (plus smaller numbers on other pages that have shared the post) in 9 hours. Those are some freaking crazy numbers

Mission accomplished then. As others have pointed out, it was just a way to draw attention to the band at the start of a new album cycle, I doubt that they're gonna re-arrange the writing sessions to focus more on the style that won the poll  :hat
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on May 26, 2018, 08:06:10 AM
I really hope they include many ideas by Mangini and Myung this time, since they were ignored for TA. Some of my favorite parts on DT12 are bass/drums grooves.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Madman Shepherd on May 26, 2018, 08:15:50 AM
I really hope they include many ideas by Mangini and Myung this time, since they were ignored for TA. Some of my favorite parts on DT12 are bass/drums grooves.

Yes! This can't be stressed enough!
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Ninjabait on May 26, 2018, 08:39:41 AM
Man, this post seems to have SMASHED it OUT of the PARK with getting fans engaged. 2.7k comments, 2.3k shares, and 14k reactions (plus smaller numbers on other pages that have shared the post) in 9 hours. Those are some freaking crazy numbers

Mission accomplished then. As others have pointed out, it was just a way to draw attention to the band at the start of a new album cycle, I doubt that they're gonna re-arrange the writing sessions to focus more on the style that won the poll  :hat

I don't think they'd have to haha, the clear winner is in line with what they say the direction on the next album is.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Bertie_Wooster on May 26, 2018, 01:19:43 PM
A song with Claudio Sanchez as the lead singer.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: 7enderbender on May 26, 2018, 08:21:06 PM
Anything but a concept album and no more orchestration and cheesy keyboard sounds. Something closer to Awake.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on May 26, 2018, 09:38:16 PM
Anything but a concept album and no more orchestration and cheesy keyboard sounds. Something closer to Awake.

They, in fact, have confirmed the new album won't be conceptual and that it'll be on the heavier side. I'd prefer something heavy like SC and Awake over 'heavy for the sake of heavy', like TOT. I also expect them to write longer songs this time, since the last two albums have mostly short(er) tracks.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ZirconBlue on May 27, 2018, 10:33:38 AM
Furthermore, every character of the saga died in two chronologies, except for the villain. What even a part 3 is supposed to be about?  :lol


Um, reincarnation plays a major part in the story.  So, they can just do another incarnation of the characters.  Maybe set the next one in 2028.


One of my favorite book series (Katharine Kerr's Deverry Cycle) has a reincarnation theme, and was able to sustain 13 novels, so I don't see it as at all ridiculous to extend the Metropolis story, if they were so inclined.  And it wouldn't even have to be a full album, again.  It could be a single song epilogue.


I'm not saying they should do Met. 3, but there are plenty of ways to continue the story if they wanted.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kattelox on May 27, 2018, 11:16:42 AM
Anything but a concept album and no more orchestration and cheesy keyboard sounds. Something closer to Awake.

Something that bugs the hell out of me is when people call keyboard sounds 'cheesy.' What cheesy keyboard sounds were there on The Astonishing? Serious question. What makes a keyboard sound 'cheesy'? 80s synths in all that mom and dad lite-rock I get, but I haven't heard one cheesy keyboard sound in DT's entire history.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Lethean on May 27, 2018, 11:21:11 AM
Anything but a concept album and no more orchestration and cheesy keyboard sounds. Something closer to Awake.

Something that bugs the hell out of me is when people call keyboard sounds 'cheesy.' What cheesy keyboard sounds were there on The Astonishing? Serious question. What makes a keyboard sound 'cheesy'? 80s synths in all that mom and dad lite-rock I get, but I haven't heard one cheesy keyboard sound in DT's entire history.

Now there's something we definitely agree on.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Ninjabait on May 27, 2018, 11:33:50 AM
Anything but a concept album and no more orchestration and cheesy keyboard sounds. Something closer to Awake.

Something that bugs the hell out of me is when people call keyboard sounds 'cheesy.' What cheesy keyboard sounds were there on The Astonishing? Serious question. What makes a keyboard sound 'cheesy'? 80s synths in all that mom and dad lite-rock I get, but I haven't heard one cheesy keyboard sound in DT's entire history.

idk, I personally find some of the sounds on I&W and Awake (and to a lesser extent, FII) to be a little on the cheesy side. It may just because the quality of synthesizers have advanced a lot since then, but they sound SUPER dated today and they don't sound dated enough to be considered "nostalgic" imo.

Most of the keyboard parts on The Astonishing are Steinway Grand or Hammond B3s parts. I think you can count the number of synth moments in the album on one hand.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on May 27, 2018, 11:56:06 AM
Furthermore, every character of the saga died in two chronologies, except for the villain. What even a part 3 is supposed to be about?  :lol


Um, reincarnation plays a major part in the story.  So, they can just do another incarnation of the characters.  Maybe set the next one in 2028.


One of my favorite book series (Katharine Kerr's Deverry Cycle) has a reincarnation theme, and was able to sustain 13 novels, so I don't see it as at all ridiculous to extend the Metropolis story, if they were so inclined.  And it wouldn't even have to be a full album, again.  It could be a single song epilogue.


I'm not saying they should do Met. 3, but there are plenty of ways to continue the story if they wanted.

Well, didn't think about it honestly. You're right.

Now, once we estabilished that there are ways to continue the story.... do we all agree they shouldn't at all?  :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Lethean on May 27, 2018, 04:47:55 PM
Furthermore, every character of the saga died in two chronologies, except for the villain. What even a part 3 is supposed to be about?  :lol


Um, reincarnation plays a major part in the story.  So, they can just do another incarnation of the characters.  Maybe set the next one in 2028.


One of my favorite book series (Katharine Kerr's Deverry Cycle) has a reincarnation theme, and was able to sustain 13 novels, so I don't see it as at all ridiculous to extend the Metropolis story, if they were so inclined.  And it wouldn't even have to be a full album, again.  It could be a single song epilogue.


I'm not saying they should do Met. 3, but there are plenty of ways to continue the story if they wanted.

Well, didn't think about it honestly. You're right.

Now, once we estabilished that there are ways to continue the story.... do we all agree they shouldn't at all?  :lol

Totally agree.  Leave it be; let it be the masterpiece that it is, and focus on something new.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: 7enderbender on May 27, 2018, 07:56:13 PM
Anything but a concept album and no more orchestration and cheesy keyboard sounds. Something closer to Awake.

Something that bugs the hell out of me is when people call keyboard sounds 'cheesy.' What cheesy keyboard sounds were there on The Astonishing? Serious question. What makes a keyboard sound 'cheesy'? 80s synths in all that mom and dad lite-rock I get, but I haven't heard one cheesy keyboard sound in DT's entire history.

Valid question and in the eye of the beholder of course. Can’t answer the question with regard to The Astonishing since every attempt to listen all the way through it has been futile. It usually stops when the first “my music player” phrase makes its impact.
But seriously, maybe I’m too much a kid of eighties but I actually prefer some of those older sounds. I don’t like Jordan’s selections usually. And I can’t specify more since I don’t play keyes and can only say yay or nay to what is presented to me.
The worst is the fake orchestration parts or anything that sounds like it should be at the circus.
And I know that he is a fantastic player and great musician.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: darkshade on May 28, 2018, 12:00:58 PM
I want DT14 to be a move away from the gothic sounds, the melodramatic epic orchestral stuff, the dark and stormy riffs, the predictable vocal lines, etc... I don't care for the overall ambiance of the 2010s albums compared to the 2000s. The last two albums have felt like one long ballad with lots of crazy instrumental stuff in between.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on May 28, 2018, 01:00:34 PM
THEY ARE SPYING US!!!!!!

DT just posted on FB this very question, basically copying and pasting the title thread and the four poll options!

I ACTUALLY feel honored that DT posted a thread started by me on their facebook page. 
:metal :metal :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: KevShmev on May 28, 2018, 01:01:45 PM
I want DT14 to be a move away from the gothic sounds, the melodramatic epic orchestral stuff, the dark and stormy riffs, the predictable vocal lines, etc... I don't care for the overall ambiance of the 2010s albums compared to the 2000s. The last two albums have felt like one long ballad with lots of crazy instrumental stuff in between.

DT12 is part of one long ballad? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Bertie_Wooster on May 28, 2018, 06:30:29 PM
I want half of it to sound like Extreme’s “waiting for the punchline” album
 and “III sides to every story”.  I want to hear JP with Raw sounding guitars. 

Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on May 28, 2018, 06:32:03 PM
I want half of it to sound like Extreme’s “waiting for the punchline” album
 and “III sides to every story”.  I want to hear JP with Raw sounding guitars.

Fun thing is, Mangini actually played on that album  ;D
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: pg1067 on May 29, 2018, 11:38:54 AM
Now, once we estabilished that there are ways to continue the story.... do we all agree they shouldn't at all?  :lol

I don't agree.  I think they should tread very carefully, but if JP is so inclined (which I don't think he is) and can figure out a way to do it well, I'm all for it.  They definitely should not do it just for the sake of doing it, though.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: bosk1 on May 29, 2018, 12:22:24 PM
THEY ARE SPYING US!!!!!!

DT just posted on FB this very question, basically copying and pasting the title thread and the four poll options!

I ACTUALLY feel honored that DT posted a thread started by me on their facebook page. 
:metal :metal :metal

One of their guys was actually emailing me last week to ask for my thoughts.  Unfortunately, I was in Mexico and didn't have access to email, so I didn't see it.  As a result, they went with basically your poll.  But that was a great choice to start things off, and I might have suggested something similar had I been here anyway.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 29, 2018, 12:27:48 PM
I want half of it to sound like Extreme’s “waiting for the punchline” album
 and “III sides to every story”.  I want to hear JP with Raw sounding guitars.

Fun thing is, Mangini actually played on that album  ;D

No he didn't.  Mangini played on 3 songs from the album after III Sides, Waiting For The Punchline.  He also toured for that album.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on May 29, 2018, 01:39:22 PM
I want half of it to sound like Extreme’s “waiting for the punchline” album
 and “III sides to every story”.  I want to hear JP with Raw sounding guitars.

Fun thing is, Mangini actually played on that album  ;D

No he didn't.  Mangini played on 3 songs from the album after III Sides, Waiting For The Punchline.  He also toured for that album.

Yeah, I know he's only on 3 songs, but he still played on the album, right? :tup
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: kingshmegland on May 29, 2018, 01:46:59 PM
Waiting For the Punchline, yes.   I saw that tour in Boston.   Little did we know, they were calling it quits after the tour and during the song "No Regrets", a song Mangini played on they destroyed their equipment akin to The Who.  The place went nuts!
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on June 20, 2018, 01:16:23 PM
From my point off view, i like DT at their most experimental (SDOIT for example) so i would really love them to get together and make a record without any pre-conceived idea. Something organic and spontaneous, and collaborative.

Actually, they did have a very well preconceived idea before making what ended up being SDoIT, though they changed it afterwards after JP and Mike went to see Pantera which inspired them to do at least TGP (and apparently they did experiment from there on in the rest of the album).. I just read it in Rich Wilson's biography, where Portnoy also tells this fun fact about it:

"...we were on the 2000 tour in Europe and Jordan, John Petrucci and I were on a plane discussing plans to make the album some sort of World Music album, but still keeping it Dream Theater. What we were going to do was that each song would represent the style or flavor of a different country. And we would incorporate these different styles or sounds, keys, modes, scales or rhythms and try to do different things in a World Music sort of progressive metal way. We did take a couple of those Master classes and learned some different, weird African rhythms and it was interesting. The biggest irony is that when John and I were out on the G3 tour in 2001 [when they had already decided not to do it like that] Steve Vai's "Alive in an Ultra World" comes out and the concept behind that album is exactly what we were going to do! So it worked out good that we ended up abandoning that idea."

(http://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/13.aspx)


basically since MP left each record has felt like it had a preconceived theme or idea. ADTOE was the "classic" DT album, DT was the "short song structure with an epic at the end" album and TA obviously was very pre-planned.

I kind of disagree.. MP himself has been precisely the guy that wanted to have eveything "directed" beforehand, and most of the albums with him have been preconceived in that aspect... well, at least since Metropolis pt 2, from which they really started deciding the direction of each album.. Except SDoIT and maybe SC, in the rest of the albums within that period they already knew more or less what the album would sound like before start writing it..

Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: gzarruk on June 20, 2018, 02:35:27 PM
Actually, they did have a very well preconceived idea before making what ended up being SDoIT, though they changed it afterwards after JP and Mike went to see Pantera which inspired them to do at least TGP (and apparently they did experiment from there on in the rest of the album).. I just read it in Rich Wilson's biography, where Portnoy also tells this fun fact about it:

"...we were on the 2000 tour in Europe and Jordan, John Petrucci and I were on a plane discussing plans to make the album some sort of World Music album, but still keeping it Dream Theater. What we were going to do was that each song would represent the style or flavor of a different country. And we would incorporate these different styles or sounds, keys, modes, scales or rhythms and try to do different things in a World Music sort of progressive metal way. We did take a couple of those Master classes and learned some different, weird African rhythms and it was interesting. The biggest irony is that when John and I were out on the G3 tour in 2001 [when they had already decided not to do it like that] Steve Vai's "Alive in an Ultra World" comes out and the concept behind that album is exactly what we were going to do! So it worked out good that we ended up abandoning that idea."

(http://www.mikeportnoy.com/aboutmike/faq/answers/13.aspx)

And Mike Mangini also played on that album (all tracks except one) :tup
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: KevShmev on June 29, 2018, 06:27:47 AM
Something they have never really done which I think would be cool would be to have a few short interlude instrumental tracks, maybe where a main melody from a later song is played in a more mellow way on a piano or acoustic guitar for a minute or two.  Think of how the Flower Kings did that on Stardust We Are.  It would give the album kind of a thematic feel, while not being overblown conceptually (since I know they want to do a "normal" album again).
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kattelox on June 29, 2018, 08:34:37 AM
Something they have never really done which I think would be cool would be to have a few short interlude instrumental tracks, maybe where a main melody from a later song is played in a more mellow way on a piano or acoustic guitar for a minute or two.  Think of how the Flower Kings did that on Stardust We Are.  It would give the album kind of a thematic feel, while not being overblown conceptually (since I know they want to do a "normal" album again).

I would love love love this.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Renzo on June 29, 2018, 01:00:06 PM
Something they have never really done which I think would be cool would be to have a few short interlude instrumental tracks, maybe where a main melody from a later song is played in a more mellow way on a piano or acoustic guitar for a minute or two.  Think of how the Flower Kings did that on Stardust We Are.  It would give the album kind of a thematic feel, while not being overblown conceptually (since I know they want to do a "normal" album again).

They kind of did that with Octavarium, the only difference was the negative time and that the interludes were ambient music. So, that would be new and pretty cool.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: robwebster on July 03, 2018, 11:28:28 AM
Something they have never really done which I think would be cool would be to have a few short interlude instrumental tracks, maybe where a main melody from a later song is played in a more mellow way on a piano or acoustic guitar for a minute or two.  Think of how the Flower Kings did that on Stardust We Are.  It would give the album kind of a thematic feel, while not being overblown conceptually (since I know they want to do a "normal" album again).
Arguably Vacant was an inversion of that - with the mellow lyrical track for a minute or two followed by a big instrumental piece.

You've reminded me of a different thing thing but along similar lines, where I think during the Systematic Chaos sessions(?) they were talking about each member writing and performing a short solo piece for the album. With everyone being involved in the songwriting this time, and with the "as-live" approach to recording, little solo spots like you'd get in a live gig could work quite nicely and emphasise the band atmosphere.

Or jams, actually, I'd prefer jams - so you'd get a song that's drum *driven* and that Mangini's taken the lead on, rather than literally just a drum solo on an album. Nobody wants a drum solo on an album. Not even drummers.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: pg1067 on July 03, 2018, 11:45:59 AM
You've reminded me of a different thing thing but along similar lines, where I think during the Systematic Chaos sessions(?) they were talking about each member writing and performing a short solo piece for the album. With everyone being involved in the songwriting this time, and with the "as-live" approach to recording, little solo spots like you'd get in a live gig could work quite nicely and emphasise the band atmosphere.

So...something like what Yes did on Fragile?  That wouldn't be a bad thing, although, of the "solo" tracks on Fragile, I think only "The Fish" and "Mood for a Day" are worth listening to.


Nobody wants a drum solo on an album. Not even drummers.

"Moby Dick" would respectfully disagree.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on July 03, 2018, 11:53:10 AM
If by "drum solo" we mean the intros to Painkiller, Where Eagles Dare and Stargazer, I agree. Otherwise, thanks but no thanks  :biggrin:
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Podaar on July 03, 2018, 01:36:34 PM
Dynamic. I was listening to Opeth Sorceress in the car today and it just floors me when they have these haunting quiet moments that just roar to life for a big dramatic section. It reminds me of 70's vinyl albums that did much the same thing. I'd love JP to embed an ax in the compression dial of the mastering board.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pettor on July 04, 2018, 01:14:47 AM
Most of all I want dynamic unexpected song structures filled with chaos and structure :D I guess that goes a long way personally. Whenever they do something like Glass Prison, This Dying Soul, Octavarium (which would be the ultimate definition of what I want I guess), ACOS, Breaking All Illusions etc. I get knocked down. Lost not Forgotten and Outcry can be examples where it doesn't work for me. It sounds very predictable and lacks some systematic chaos (not the album ::))! Just go freaking crazy I say!
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on July 04, 2018, 01:27:31 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't mind that at all, to have a "crazy" song that it takes a month to fully understand it and be able to describe it. "Well, there's the intro of course, then the first verse, which is not really a verse, then there's this crazy section and what I think is the chorus, problem is there's another chorus-sy section later, before what I'd call the big solo but then there's another part near the end and.... ah, don't know, I have to listen to it again". That kind of song  ;D
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on July 04, 2018, 06:58:22 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't mind that at all, to have a "crazy" song that it takes a month to fully understand it and be able to describe it. "Well, there's the intro of course, then the first verse, which is not really a verse, then there's this crazy section and what I think is the chorus, problem is there's another chorus-sy section later, before what I'd call the big solo but then there's another part near the end and.... ah, don't know, I have to listen to it again". That kind of song  ;D

 :lol

Exactly, me too.. And they did say in the live streaming that having 10+ minute songs is a possibility this time around (we haven't had any since BAI :sad:)..
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Pettor on July 04, 2018, 07:00:34 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't mind that at all, to have a "crazy" song that it takes a month to fully understand it and be able to describe it. "Well, there's the intro of course, then the first verse, which is not really a verse, then there's this crazy section and what I think is the chorus, problem is there's another chorus-sy section later, before what I'd call the big solo but then there's another part near the end and.... ah, don't know, I have to listen to it again". That kind of song  ;D

Haha yes that one!  :metal
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: BelichickFan on July 04, 2018, 08:09:34 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't mind that at all, to have a "crazy" song that it takes a month to fully understand it and be able to describe it. "Well, there's the intro of course, then the first verse, which is not really a verse, then there's this crazy section and what I think is the chorus, problem is there's another chorus-sy section later, before what I'd call the big solo but then there's another part near the end and.... ah, don't know, I have to listen to it again". That kind of song  ;D

 :lol

Exactly, me too.. And they did say in the live streaming that having 10+ minute songs is a possibility this time around (we haven't had any since BAI :sad:)..

Illumination Theory gets no respect  :mehlin
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on July 05, 2018, 07:16:36 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't mind that at all, to have a "crazy" song that it takes a month to fully understand it and be able to describe it. "Well, there's the intro of course, then the first verse, which is not really a verse, then there's this crazy section and what I think is the chorus, problem is there's another chorus-sy section later, before what I'd call the big solo but then there's another part near the end and.... ah, don't know, I have to listen to it again". That kind of song  ;D

 :lol

Exactly, me too.. And they did say in the live streaming that having 10+ minute songs is a possibility this time around (we haven't had any since BAI :sad:)..

Illumination Theory gets no respect  :mehlin

I absolutely love it, but that one has 22 minutes.. ;)
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: pg1067 on July 06, 2018, 10:03:12 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't mind that at all, to have a "crazy" song that it takes a month to fully understand it and be able to describe it. "Well, there's the intro of course, then the first verse, which is not really a verse, then there's this crazy section and what I think is the chorus, problem is there's another chorus-sy section later, before what I'd call the big solo but then there's another part near the end and.... ah, don't know, I have to listen to it again". That kind of song  ;D

 :lol

Exactly, me too.. And they did say in the live streaming that having 10+ minute songs is a possibility this time around (we haven't had any since BAI :sad:)..

Illumination Theory gets no respect  :mehlin

I absolutely love it, but that one has 22 minutes.. ;)

So...what exactly did you mean when you said we haven't had a "10+ minute song[] . . . since BAI"?  A 22:17 song certainly is a "10+ minute song."  Right?
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: MirrorMask on July 06, 2018, 11:23:48 AM
Maybe he means a song that it's as long as Breaking All Illusion, but not a monster epic going over 20' like Illumination Theory, A Change of Seasons or Octavarium. Songs long like Voices, Scarred, Trail of Tears, In the Name of God, that kind of stuff.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: Kattelox on July 06, 2018, 11:26:23 AM
I wouldn't mind just having a song with a funky bass groove like that one in the solos for ITNOG.
Title: Re: What kind of album would you like DT14 to be?
Post by: ToT-147 on July 08, 2018, 10:56:12 AM
Maybe he means a song that it's as long as Breaking All Illusion, but not a monster epic going over 20' like Illumination Theory, A Change of Seasons or Octavarium. Songs long like Voices, Scarred, Trail of Tears, In the Name of God, that kind of stuff.

Yeah, I meant to say any songs between 10 and 19 minutes, but didn't know how to say it right..