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Dream Theater => Dream Theater => Topic started by: erwinrafael on April 04, 2017, 06:15:23 PM
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Can I pass as a Blabbermouth headline writer?
https://noisefull.com/interviews/dream-theater-mike-mangini
Other notable things:
He felt like an observer during The Astonishing. Never got the prep time he wanted and had to improvise a lot of parts.
He's enjoying the current tour more than last year's.
He talked about the balance between doing his thing and being faithful to MP drum parts.
He hated lying for six months about being accepted to DT.
He misses teaching and it's something he sees going back to when he gets older.
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I really like how noisefull does interviews. The interviewers always seem to do their assignment beforehand.
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That was a really good read, thanks for posting.
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Great interview. Mangini has such a different perspective on things. It's always entertaining to read his thoughts.
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Great interview! I'm reaaaaaally looking forward to the next DT album, to see how Mike is going to be involved in the writing process. I'm sure it'll be amazing.
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I'm sure it'll be amazing.
Yet not......Astonishing.... ;D
I'm sure it will be great!
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Great interview! I'm reaaaaaally looking forward to the next DT album, to see how Mike is going to be involved in the writing process. I'm sure it'll be amazing.
I do wonder if him being pretty vocal now about being apart of the writing process will actually lead to it happening.
I also do think it's interesting that he enjoys playing I&W more than TA and wonder if that has to do with the music itself or the reaction of the fans.
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I'm sure it'll be amazing.
Yet not......Astonishing.... ;D
I'm sure it will be great!
:lol
Great interview! I'm reaaaaaally looking forward to the next DT album, to see how Mike is going to be involved in the writing process. I'm sure it'll be amazing.
I do wonder if him being pretty vocal now about being apart of the writing process will actually lead to it happening.
I also do think it's interesting that he enjoys playing I&W more than TA and wonder if that has to do with the music itself or the reaction of the fans.
We only need JP to read this interview :lol
About liking one tour vs the other, I think it's because TA live was a very note - for - note approach to the songs, playing them the same exact way every night, vs the IWAB set where they're improvising some things, each one gets a solo spot, etc.
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Probably the difference is the approach. The Astonishing was just that album and nothing else, and it all had to be very theatrical, scripted and synchronized. Playing I&W is more "freestyle".
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Well, that, and I think he also answered the question earlier on in the interview where he said that, with the Astonishing, he felt like he didn't really have time to write "good" drum parts the way he wanted. There was a very short window in which he was introduced to the songs, improvised parts, and recorded them. So, if he isn't really satisfied with his drum parts on a 3-hour piece of music, it isn't surprising that he is happier playing other music where he feels the drumming is more complete.
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What I really really don't understand, and what frustrates me no end, is:
Why did JP and JR spend nearly a year writing this amazing piece of music, clearly a labour of love for them, and a project they were passionate about... and then shortchange the drum composition and performance in this way? It seems to make no sense to put so much time and effort into a project, and then rush the drum recording sessions in this way.
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What I really really don't understand, and what frustrates me no end, is:
Why did JP and JR spend nearly a year writing this amazing piece of music, clearly a labour of love for them, and a project they were passionate about... and then shortchange the drum composition and performance in this way? It seems to make no sense to put so much time and effort into a project, and then rush the drum recording sessions in this way.
My guess and my guess only, maybe it has to do with how long the process overall was taking? The fact they went in the studio and didn't finish before that summer tour and had to come back put pressure on them to finish the recording quickly?
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Probably something along those lines. And that kind of thing happens all the time. We're just hearing about it with this album in a context where many will make it out in their minds as being a problem, when it really isn't.
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Yea, it's likely they had a label deadline and just happened to find themselves in a position that, due to however many circumstances, caused MM to just not have much time to do his thing.
Though, this wasn't a bad performance by MM at all. I liked it much more than much of his DT12 stuff.
Let's not forget he also recorded James' Elements album in like a week too. Dude doesn't do too bad in those situations.
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^Exactly. "Less than ideal circumstances" for a musician that can clearly handle his business is not the same thing as "shortchanging."
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Yea true and I also really like MM on TA so while maybe if he had more time, he could have come up with something better, the end result is still really awesome. If anything, it says MM can handle the less than ideal situations very well.
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MM may have done a good job, but the fact that he has complained about the severe time restrictions on more than one occasion tells me that he believes he was capable of doing much better.
My point was: "good enough" is not good enough for a project that was a year or longer in the making, and for which the composition process was clearly more painstakingly undertaken than the usual DT album.
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I'm one of the biggest defenders of this era of DT. It's actually my favorite....
...but I'm going to be pissed if Mangini isn't included in the writing process for the next album.
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I'm one of the biggest defenders of this era of DT. It's actually my favorite....
...but I'm going to be pissed if Mangini isn't included in the writing process for the next album.
Agree 100%
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Great interview, I'm looking forward to the next DT album, :metal
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Unfortunately the rock n roll highway is littered with the corpses of drummers who never got to be involved in the writing process.
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This "being involved in the writing process" thing comes up every time. What does that actually involve? What do you want from him on that front?
For the record, I'm not against that at all. I'm just confused by what that statement actually means in this case. Like, does it mean writing lyrics? If so, that brings questions about his past history and desire to write lyrics? If it's drum parts, did he have any involvement in drum parts for DT12? There you go.
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He wrote all his own drum parts on ADTOE, DT12 & The Astonishing...
I guess what he wants is to be there on Day 1 writing and arranging with the others and not given 3 days to learn & record 80 mins of music.
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This "being involved in the writing process" thing comes up every time. What does that actually involve? What do you want from him on that front?
For the record, I'm not against that at all. I'm just confused by what that statement actually means in this case. Like, does it mean writing lyrics? If so, that brings questions about his past history and desire to write lyrics? If it's drum parts, did he have any involvement in drum parts for DT12? There you go.
That's a valid question. I just want him to have at least as much input as John Myung and James LaBrie. That doesn't mean he will have much of a role but for him to just be there and be able to bounce ideas off everyone would definitely make it feel more like a band. I do believe Mangini has submitted some ideas in the past. What that entails, I don't know. It sounds as if he does have some riff and melody ideas. In a skype chat done through this forum, Petrucci almost accidentally played a file of one of Mike's ideas and then said something like, "Oops, I didn't mean to play that file. That's one of Mike's ideas we didn't use. Sorry Mike." Wish we knew what it was.
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This "being involved in the writing process" thing comes up every time. What does that actually involve? What do you want from him on that front?
For the record, I'm not against that at all. I'm just confused by what that statement actually means in this case. Like, does it mean writing lyrics? If so, that brings questions about his past history and desire to write lyrics? If it's drum parts, did he have any involvement in drum parts for DT12? There you go.
He wants to be involved in the actual composition of the pieces, rather than being handed demos of already written music and told to make up some drum parts.
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Cool interview. Long story short, if DT wants to keep Mangini around, they need to make him involved in the songwriting process. period.
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Cool interview. Long story short, if DT wants to keep Mangini around, they need to make him involved in the songwriting process. period.
This.
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Cool interview. Long story short, if DT wants to keep Mangini around, they need to make him involved in the songwriting process. period.
Mangini's problem is his sense of entitlement. He can't expect to be able to have equal rights or privileges like the other guys do. It isn't his band. He didn't spend 25 years working his ass off to get DT to where it is now. He was hired to play drums. Period.
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Cool interview. Long story short, if DT wants to keep Mangini around, they need to make him involved in the songwriting process. period.
Mangini's problem is his sense of entitlement. He can't expect to be able to have equal rights or privileges like the other guys do. It isn't his band. He didn't spend 25 years working his ass off to get DT to where it is now. He was hired to play drums. Period.
I have never gotten a sense of entitlement from MM. He has actually gone out of his way in interviews to praise JR and JP and their composition abilities, I haven't gotten the sense he feels entitled to be a part of that process, just merely that he wants to be a part. I don't see anything wrong with him wanting to be more involved. He is a member of the band, not a hired gun.
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Cool interview. Long story short, if DT wants to keep Mangini around, they need to make him involved in the songwriting process. period.
Mangini's problem is his sense of entitlement. He can't expect to be able to have equal rights or privileges like the other guys do. It isn't his band. He didn't spend 25 years working his ass off to get DT to where it is now. He was hired to play drums. Period.
That's ridiculous.
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Cool interview. Long story short, if DT wants to keep Mangini around, they need to make him involved in the songwriting process. period.
Mangini's problem is his sense of entitlement. He can't expect to be able to have equal rights or privileges like the other guys do. It isn't his band. He didn't spend 25 years working his ass off to get DT to where it is now. He was hired to play drums. Period.
Did you even read what Mangini said in the interview?
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Cool interview. Long story short, if DT wants to keep Mangini around, they need to make him involved in the songwriting process. period.
Mangini's problem is his sense of entitlement. He can't expect to be able to have equal rights or privileges like the other guys do. It isn't his band. He didn't spend 25 years working his ass off to get DT to where it is now. He was hired to play drums. Period.
MP, is that you? :lol :lol
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Cool interview. Long story short, if DT wants to keep Mangini around, they need to make him involved in the songwriting process. period.
Mangini's problem is his sense of entitlement. He can't expect to be able to have equal rights or privileges like the other guys do. It isn't his band. He didn't spend 25 years working his ass off to get DT to where it is now. He was hired to play drums. Period.
Did you even read what Mangini said in the interview?
Yeah, I don't get this kinda of answer either (I mean Stewie's of course, not Erwin's).
B.Lee
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This thread is a great example of how ugly the Internet can be with out-of-context sound/text bites.
People are making some pretty harsh assumptions and theories about a great guy and making mountains out of molehills for no reason. Just like that James LaBrie pissed-off nonsense thread. It's embarrassing.
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This thread is a great example of how ugly the Internet can be with out-of-context sound/text bites.
People are making some pretty harsh assumptions and theories about a great guy and making mountains out of molehills for no reason. Just like that James LaBrie pissed-off nonsense thread. It's embarrassing.
My thoughts as well.
B.Lee
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Yeah wanting to feel like he's " in the band " does not = feeling entitled.
If he asked to co-produce every album and write lyrics from day 1 then MAYBE.
As someone else said - he just wants to feel like he's a member of the band and not just a session guy bought in to just play drums and that's it.
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Cool interview. Long story short, if DT wants to keep Mangini around, they need to make him involved in the songwriting process. period.
Mangini's problem is his sense of entitlement. He can't expect to be able to have equal rights or privileges like the other guys do. It isn't his band. He didn't spend 25 years working his ass off to get DT to where it is now. He was hired to play drums. Period.
IF that's the way the other DT members feel they should have hired a studio/tour drummer.
Instead they asked a world class drummer to become part of DT and it makes perfect sense if that drummer wants to be part of the creative process.