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General => Movies and TV => Topic started by: Kotowboy on April 03, 2017, 04:14:33 PM
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JAWS 1975. Plus sequels.
The best shark movie ever made ? I think so. Not sure about best monster movie. I love the original Tremors too ( and the tremors sequels are way better than the Jaws sequels )..
Jaws 2 is decent if a bit boring. Jaws 3 is utterly dull and Jaws 4 is just stupid.
DISCUSS YOU SON OF A
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No love for sharknado? :rollin
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Fuck. No.
Hate them. They're the worst. Intentionally bad movies that want to be cult movies.
You don't make cult movies. They just happen.
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Cant beat Joey Fatone getting eating on a boardwalk by a flying shark
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I am with ya tho and 100% agree. Why we get gems like American Psycho etc
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Never saw any of the Sharknados. Probably won't. Not that I have anything against stupid movies. But there's only so much time.
EDIT: Oh, but Jaws was very good and still holds up despite the cheese and WAY outdated effects. I have memories of 2 being pretty good as well, but I was pretty young when I saw it, so that could be off. The others were just bad. Too bad there hasn't been a really good shark movie since then. The Shallows came close. But the end was just a bit too much to swallow (no pun intended).
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I liek Jaws 2 for the scene where it rams a boat and it's head caves in and they left it in the final edit :p
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The original is obviously a classic. I still watch it anytime I catch it on TV. I've only seen bits and pieces of the sequels, and that was so many years ago that I can barely remember.
On a related note, when I was about 5 years old, I rode the Jaws ride at Universal Studios in Orlando. I was utterly horrified and bawled my eyes out.
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I like the original Jaws...barely. No way I'm interested in seeing it's sequels. And a big hell no to Sharknado.
*sits down and watches Tremors 5*
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Jaws 1 is the best shark movie ever! Jaws 2 was good but would have been better without the screaming girl on the pontoon that wouldn't stop. They should have had her get eaten by the shark instead of the level headed calm girl.
Jaws 3 is lame, Jaws 4 is actually ok.
Deep Blue Sea is a good shark movie..
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I am guilty of never having seen so many classic movies -I saw Jaws for the first time only a few years ago. It probably loses a bit of its "classic" appeal when you see it for the first time many decades later - especially a movie relying on the special effects of the time. I thought it was okay. I have not seen any of the sequels or Sharknados.
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I saw the original in a theater, nearly ruined swimming in the sea for life. The star of this movie isn't the shark though, it's the increddible cast that makes it so good.
Jaws II I never much cared for. III is a laughable joke and 4 I actually thought was pretty good.
Sure the effects are outdated but even so that made the best damn sharkmovie with what they had at the time.
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1 - one of the best movies ever
2 - i would say genuinely enjoyable sequel
3 - laughably bad
4 - one of the worst movies ever (and laughably bad)
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Jaws is one of the best films ever made.
Jaws 2 is not bad. Pretty good for a sequel.
And then there are the sequels.
Apparently Spielberg has a great idea for what would have been a Jaws sequel, but it can't be done now. Oh well.
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Apparently Spielberg has a great idea for what would have been a Jaws sequel, but it can't be done now. Oh well.
What's the story? I haven't heard anything about that.
Oh, and I saw Deep Blue Sea mentioned. It definitely had its moments. But it seemed to too frequently just cross the line and ask the audience to suspend belief just a tad too much for me. But it did have LL Cool J, so that's something. And the unexpected interruption of Samuel L Jackson's monologue was epic.
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Apparently Spielberg has a great idea for what would have been a Jaws sequel, but it can't be done now. Oh well.
What's the story? I haven't heard anything about that.
He wouldn't tell the story.
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Hmm. I wonder if that's because it may have involved a talking car and a young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law. I can't help but think of the possibilities there.
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Hmm. I wonder if that's because it may have involved a talking car and a young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law. I can't help but think of the possibilities there.
:justjen:
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Apparently Spielberg has a great idea for what would have been a Jaws sequel, but it can't be done now. Oh well.
What's the story? I haven't heard anything about that.
He wouldn't tell the story.
After the success of Jaws that was a huge shocking success, Remember Spielberg was young. Peter Benchley wrote the book. Speilberg got cocky and wanted to have full control. Universal for some unknown reason didn't want to give him that control on 2. 2 is ok. but not 1. lol. I am sure some executives got canned for not keeping Spielberg around
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Speilberg didn't want the second to become campy. He wrote a script, actually 3. I wont address them after the second movie cause I will vomit. remember Quint was integral. forgive me, but someone mentioned the cast. you cant outdo the cast in Jaws. so it was almost pointless to try to do a sequal worthy
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when the three guys get on the boat the movie goes from good to great. all time classic.
2 is watchable.
3 is laughable.
never saw 4.
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Yeah, the role of Quint was iconic and was part of what made the original so good. But that being said, I think it was smart to not try to duplicate that character trope in 2. From what I can recall about 2 after all this time, it worked reasonably well because they struck a decent balance of taking some of the formula that worked from the original while still making the storyline different enough that it didn't just feel like a retread. I think trying to put in a Quint character would have taken them too far into retread territory.
Along similar lines, despite the uncanny coincidence of an abnormally large, predatory shark for those waters (or so it was believed at the time) exhibiting uncharacteristic behaviors TWICE, I think it was smart to not try to get into some bizarre explanation of "why"--like some offbeat scientific discovery that nuclear waste released off the coast of NY traveled by current to a previously unknown great white breeding ground not far from Amity, or something dumb like that. It was just perhaps the world's most amazing and unfortunate streak of bad luck for the Brody family, and they just left it at that (until pt. 3 anyway).
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Yeah I'm not a fan of when films spell out for you WHY something happens.
Which is why I like that 3PO's red arm in Force Awakens was never addressed or explained. He just has one. End of.
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I prefer to believe C-3PO's arm was red because it had been bathed in the blood of his slain enemies.
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When I saw that in the cinema - I just took it to mean " hey it's been 30 years since you last saw 3PO...he's been off having adventures in that time.."
But of course the interwebs was all " WHY IS HIS ARM RED ? I WANT A SPIN OFF TRILOGY EXPLAINING IT ! "
There probably is an explanation in some comic or book...
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Yeah, the role of Quint was iconic and was part of what made the original so good. But that being said, I think it was smart to not try to duplicate that character trope in 2. From what I can recall about 2 after all this time, it worked reasonably well because they struck a decent balance of taking some of the formula that worked from the original while still making the storyline different enough that it didn't just feel like a retread. I think trying to put in a Quint character would have taken them too far into retread territory.
Along similar lines, despite the uncanny coincidence of an abnormally large, predatory shark for those waters (or so it was believed at the time) exhibiting uncharacteristic behaviors TWICE, I think it was smart to not try to get into some bizarre explanation of "why"--like some offbeat scientific discovery that nuclear waste released off the coast of NY traveled by current to a previously unknown great white breeding ground not far from Amity, or something dumb like that. It was just perhaps the world's most amazing and unfortunate streak of bad luck for the Brody family, and they just left it at that (until pt. 3 anyway).
as usual bosk is right
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I think the first, and even second Jaws worked because they tried to go more serious and focused a bit more on the horror element. In the third one they made the shark the size of a whale shark for some reason and even if you overlook the whole 3D gimmick, it wasn't much of a movie. Once we got to the big reveal of the movie, we had a cartoony freeze frame of the shark gliding towards the glass and the impact was laughably bad. The fourth movie was even more stupid with everything from the tagline "This time it's personal" to the fact that the shark follows the Brody's from America to the Bahamas, to Ellen having psychic X-Men flashbacks to scenes she did not witness in the first movie, to the shark balancing on its back fins while roaring like a lion, to stabbing the shark with the boat and the shark exploding for no reason. There's just so much bad in the 4th one. Don't get me wrong, the third one is bad, but I would say it's more forgettable whereas the 4th is so bad and so outrageous that it sticks to your memory more.
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I thought the shark blew up in Revenge because Jamaican dude put a bomb in it's mouth.
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That scene on the boat when they're getting drunk and Quint starts telling his ghost story....still goosebumps/chills up the spine! :hefdaddy
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That scene on the boat when they're getting drunk and Quint starts telling his ghost story....still goosebumps/chills up the spine! :hefdaddy
Probably my favorite scene from any film ever. Jaws is easily one of my favorite movies of all time. I could care less about any of the sequels.
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That entire Indianapolis speech was improvised by Robert Shaw. Pure brilliance. And I agree. That whole scene is pure brilliance
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Well. One take allegedly. He didn't make the entire thing up on the spot.
It went through SEVERAL rewrites before he got hold of it.
He tried it once but was drunk and told Spielberg he'd work on it overnight.
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Love the original. Great movie. I can't recall the last time I watched the sequels, but I recall enjoying 2 very much and even finding some joy in the other sequels even though there was a clear drop in quality after 2. But I think I watched those as a kid and my opinion if I watched it now would likely change.
I wouldn't be surprised if we get another Jaws movie in the future, seems ripe for a remake given our movie remake culture.
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True to an extent. Shaw originally ran it by Speilberg and Speilberg wasn't fond of it,
And yes what made the film was a one take scene. Speilberg loved it so much there was no editing done
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Love the original. Great movie. I can't recall the last time I watched the sequels, but I recall enjoying 2 very much and even finding some joy in the other sequels even though there was a clear drop in quality after 2. But I think I watched those as a kid and my opinion if I watched it now would likely change.
I wouldn't be surprised if we get another Jaws movie in the future, seems ripe for a remake given our movie remake culture.
Making a remake would be blasphemy. Would be like remaking Singing In THe Rain, etc. Hollywood needs to just make original movies.
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I wouldn't be surprised if we get another Jaws movie in the future, seems ripe for a remake given our movie remake culture.
Easier to just commission George Lucas to do a new edition to update the special effects and clean up some scenes. The only issues I could anticipate with that would be the inevitable re-edit of the final scene to clarify that the shark, not Brody, shot first, and Billy Kinder's force ghost making an appearance alongside Yoda and Obi Wan.
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I certainly wouldn't want it, but it just seems like something Hollywood would do. Michael Bay would direct and there would be even bigger explosions than the one in the original.
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I certainly wouldn't want it, but it just seems like something Hollywood would do. Michael Bay would direct and there would be even bigger explosions than the one in the original.
Michael Bay should not be allowed to direct anything anymore
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The only way JAWS today would work is to set it in 1975.
Otherwise everyone would have mobile phones etc and it would be easy for Brody or Hooper to call someone for rescue.
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The documentary on the making of Jaws is funny as hell. They couldn't even get the damned shark to work untill halfway into the shooting and then it could only go straight ahead. Nothing to do but sit around in the sun all day and get halfbaked. Oh well. :biggrin:
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I don't think a 2017 Jaws movie would work really. The strength of the first one is the power of what you don't see, and how the unknown is more frightening than anything else. Once we get the payoff with the shark, that's great, but that's over an hour into the movie. I feel like with a modern Jaws they would go about it the wrong way. "We can do ANYTHING with effects these days" and we would see a CGI shark in the first 5 minutes of the movie. I guess it depends on who directs it, but getting that fear back would be hard I think.
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I don't think a 2017 Jaws movie would work really. The strength of the first one is the power of what you don't see, and how the unknown is more frightening than anything else. Once we get the payoff with the shark, that's great, but that's over an hour into the movie.
Yeah, we KNOW it wouldn't work now, because that's exactly how the director of the most recent Godzilla film treated Godzilla, and tons of people bitched about it.
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Yea I definitely have little to no faith that a remade Jaws would work, but that doesn't mean Hollywood wouldn't attempt it.
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I don't think a 2017 Jaws movie would work really. The strength of the first one is the power of what you don't see, and how the unknown is more frightening than anything else. Once we get the payoff with the shark, that's great, but that's over an hour into the movie. I feel like with a modern Jaws they would go about it the wrong way. "We can do ANYTHING with effects these days" and we would see a CGI shark in the first 5 minutes of the movie. I guess it depends on who directs it, but getting that fear back would be hard I think.
That's true to a point, but that still doesn't mean they COULDN'T get it right. Going back to The Shallows again, I think they pretty much got the shark reveal pacing about right, and it was definitely more along the lines of Jaws. You got little glimpses here and there for the first half of the movie. But you didn't really get full-on shark reveal until the second half.
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Apparantly the shark in Jaws is on screen for a total of 4 minutes in a 2.5 hour movie.
Four. minutes.
To make up for that you had 3 great characters played by 3 great actors and teases / barrels etc.
I can't imagine a 2.5 hour shark movie these days where you see the shark for 4 minutes total.
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JUST FOR FUN
Who would YOU cast in a 2017 Jaws Remake *AND* who do you think a crappy Hollywood studio remake would cast ?
Who I would cast :
Chief Brody : Tom Hardy. Maybe he could be Hooper. I can imagine a remake casting some comic actor to play Hooper as comic relief and be all quippy like an Owen Wilson type.
Capt. Quint : Not sure about this one.. A remake would cast just some tough guy and old them up a bit. Michael Ironside ? Kurtwood Smith ? Liam Neeson ?
Hooper : Christian Bale ? Maybe too old. Dreyfuss was in his late 20s when he played Hooper. Joe Gordon-Levitt ?
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Capt. Quint : Not sure about this one.. A remake would cast just some tough guy and old them up a bit. Michael Ironside ? Kurtwood Smith ? Liam Neeson ?
Sam Elliott is the only correct answer.
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The answer is Kurt Russell.
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Yeah, he could probably pull it off well, too. He can definitely do that salty role. Good call. But I'd still take Sam Elliott over him.
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I just have a hard time seeing Sam Elliott as that drunk, borderline going to murder you while you sleep type. He seems just wayyyyy too cool and not damaged enough.
Or we can go in a different direction.
Every character played by Adam Sandler. Shark played by Rob Schneider.
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Just have the cast of the Ghostbusters remake do it.
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Just have the cast of the Ghostbusters remake do it.
I actually started trying to imagine Billy Murray as Quint until I realized that you meant the new one.
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"Everything was fine with our system until the 'no swimming signs' were taken down by dickless here." [glances sideways at the mayor]
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I mean if they were to make a new one, I don't see someone like Tom Hardy as Chief Brody at all. I think more of actors like Jake Gyllenhaal or Tobey Maguire who has that more "normal" look to them. That's what was so great with the actors in the original, they looked like regular people doing their dayjobs, and I think someone like Tom Hardy would really stick out in that sense. To be fair my suggestions might be on the "too well known" side as well.
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How about a new reimagining with Hardy as Quint and Leo as Brody.
Shark attacks at the 1/3 mark, killing everyone except Brody who gets his left leg bitten off and torso severely bitten and left to die on a sinking ship miles off shore. The rest of the movie is him surviving, grunting, possibly being shark raped and then making it back to shore, guided by the bright lite of his 2nd Oscar.
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Hooper: Alexandra Daddario
Yeah
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Jaws is a masterpiece. Only saw parts of Jaws 2, nothing of any other sequels. Never saw a Sharknado or whatever movie. The novel Jaws is a bit of a bore, though I read it after seeing the film several times.
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Curiously - Quint is so called as he is the 5th person to die in the film...
But in the book - Hooper dies before Quint...So Hooper would be the 5th person...
I don't know anything about the book though. I know Hooper dies in the shark cage before Quint though.
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Curiously - Quint is so called as he is the 5th person to die in the film...
But in the book - Hooper dies before Quint...So Hooper would be the 5th person...
I don't know anything about the book though. I know Hooper dies in the shark cage before Quint though.
Wow, I had to look it up because that just seemed off to me. From memory, it just seemed like a lot more than 5 died (6, if you count the dog).
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1. Chrissy.
2. Alex
3. Guy in the boat in the estuary
4. Head in the boat
5. Quint
And in the book Hooper but I don't know if any were added for the film.
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Hooper: Alexandra Daddario
Yeah
A certain part of me wouldn't mind that choice.
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I would second that opinion
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Whilte not a Jaws film, I noticed Deep Blue Sea was on Netflix and decided to re-watch it because it's been a while. I mean it's not an amazing movie by any stretch but I would say it's a genuinely entertaining movie. When you mix super-intelligent sharks with Thomas Jane, Samuel L Jackson, LL Cool J and Stellan Skarsgård, it's bound to be watchable at least.
Also Renny Harlin used to be a pretty solid director. Again, not amazing, but he had a run of some pretty decent sequels (nightmare on elm street 4, die hard 2) and I think this one and Cliffhanger are both very watchable, as well as Long Kiss Goodnight which I haven't seen myself but I know people mostly enjoyed. Not sure if he has done anything decent since Deep Blue Sea which is a bit of a shame.
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Allegedly the 4 sharks in Deep Blue Sea all meet their fate in the same manner as each of the 4 sharks in the Jaws Movies.
One definitely gets electrocuted and the final one gets blowed up.
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Also I know CGI ages badly but some of the effects were terrible. Makes me appreciate movies like Jurassic Park so much more. Talk about effects that still look impressive. (I know some shots in JP look dated but overall it holds up pretty good)
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Yeah I thought the CG looked bad at the time.
The giant shark at the end looked like a cartoon.
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Also I know CGI ages badly but some of the effects were terrible. Makes me appreciate movies like Jurassic Park so much more. Talk about effects that still look impressive. (I know some shots in JP look dated but overall it holds up pretty good)
Jurassic Park may have had the best special effects ever when it was released. So impressive.
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Also I don't know if there's any truth to this at all, just me speculating. But I feel like with Deep Blue Sea, someone was really influenced by the Alien franchise and I felt a lot of Alien Resurrection in it. And it's possible because Alien Resurrection came out only 2 years before Deep Blue Sea. But a lot of the interior design of the facility feels very Alien-y, Resurrection also had some underwater scenes and then the whole climbing up the shaft on a ladder scene with a monster coming from the bottom. I guess Alien influenced TONS of horror movie but surprisingly I felt a lot of Resurrection in this which I honestly did not expect. :lol But Resurrection had the similar setup of humans messing around with something they did not fully master and ended up with monsters on the loose hunting them down.
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Jaws and Jaws 2 are great (the sequel less so, but still enjoyable).
Jaw 3 is pretty awful, it's watchable just about.
Jaw 4 is just woeful, it's completely deserves it's reputation as one of the worst movies ever.....which brings me to another question.
Jaw 4 or Superman 4 (Quest for Peace)?
Oh and 'Open Water' is a pretty decent Shark film.
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Saw 'The Shallows' over the weekend, probably the best Shark movie I've seen since the original Jaws.