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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: JayOctavarium on March 22, 2017, 12:34:03 AM
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Discuss.
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Here Jay, I'll take some heat off you. Because I love you.
The best pizza comes from Dominos.
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The oven.
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New York is the only right answer.
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There's only one answer. This is like asking who is the best guitarist in Dream Theater. It's a waste of a discussion. ;)
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Italy obviously!
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Round Table Pizza... :metal
For the record.... I had pizza a couple times while in NYC last year for the DT show. Honestly? Good, but not that impressed.
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The best pizza I've had was at this place called The Pie in Long Island near Port Jefferson.
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I've been there.
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It's not what I consider classic NY pizza but fuck it was amazing.
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Is all NY style pizza a really soft, flexible base? I see people eating it in movies/TV shows and it always looks undercooked the way they have to fold a slice up just to be able to eat it. Even being able to fold the crust in half like that gives me the impression that it hasn't been cooked up enough.
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The oven.
I came here to post that :lol
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Pizza Express.
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Of late for me it's the brick oven pizzas that float my boat and the best pizza I ever had was at Folino's pizza in Shelburne VT, next to Fiddlehead Brewery.
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Is all NY style pizza a really soft, flexible base? I see people eating it in movies/TV shows and it always looks undercooked the way they have to fold a slice up just to be able to eat it. Even being able to fold the crust in half like that gives me the impression that it hasn't been cooked up enough.
I prefer mine well-done with a crisp crust. It really depends where you go but I agree with you. I don't like when the crust is soft. I like my pizza scalding hot.
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The oven.
I came here to post that :lol
Me too :lol
But this is the best answer:
Italy obviously!
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It really depends where you go
Good to know. :tup
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I don't know if I would call it the best or anything, but where I grew up in Delaware, we had Grottos pizza and I loved it
They did the sauce and cheese like a swirl/bullseye
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/0d/20/92/ae/grotto-pizza.jpg)
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I want to go back to NYC JUST for another slice from NY Pizza Suprema at 31st and 8th. Un-fucking-believable.
And as PS said in the chat thread, it's the NYC water that makes it the best.
That said, touristy beach towns offer up some pretty bitchin' pizza. Ocean City, MD has fantastic pizza.
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Chicago. Deep Dish.
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You can find the occasional really good pizza place anywhere, but NYC and northern NJ take the cake as far as highest quality. I might even argue that northern NJ has the edge in average quality because there aren't a bunch of tourist traps weighing them down.
Chicago makes a very tasty deep dish bread and cheese casserole with tomato sauce on it, but you can GTFO if you consider that real pizza.
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The oven.
I came here to post that :lol
Me too :lol
But this is the best answer:
Italy obviously!
I was so excited to go to Italy to have authentic pizza... and it sucked. :lol
New York is the only right answer.
:iagree:
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NYC, and here's why: every City has at least one or two great pizza joints, but NY, even the late-night, by-the-slice pits are at least very good.
You need to go to a Lombardi's or something like that - with the brick oven that has been in place since 1935 or so, and let them make the pie the way it's supposed to be made (none of this "chicken ranch BBQ" crap).
When you're cooking "good" pizza (meaning, fresh dough, not frozen in a hot, brick oven) the difference between "soggy" and "crispy" is literally 60 or 90 seconds. For me, there is nothing better than walking down the street in NYC with a slice of fresh pizza. Nowhere better (and I'm sorry, but while I've not been, I've heard from multiple people - some with family still in the old country - that for all Italy's charms - and there are many - pizza is not one of them. it's more an American thing).
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I feel any country that invented the "pizza dab" loses its right to even discuss what constitutes good pizza.
(To non-US people not aware of the practice, US pizzas are often so drenched in oil and cheese that people will grab paper towels from the dispenser to dry out their pizza before eating)
(cf. https://m.mentalfloss.com/article.php?id=69051 )
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I feel any country that invented the "pizza dab" loses its right to even discuss what constitutes good pizza.
(To non-US people not aware of the practice, US pizzas are often so drenched in oil and cheese that people will grab paper towels from the dispenser to dry out their pizza before eating)
(cf. https://m.mentalfloss.com/article.php?id=69051 )
That's the Greek style pizza and I'd rather have another style that what you are talking about.
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On a serious note though, from a culinary perspective, the general pizza in the US is really not good. For the most part they really are just cheese and pepperoni delivery vehicles, and drenched in oil. I understand why people like them that way, in the same way people like HotPockets. But I've never heard anyone describe HotPockets as anything but a guilty pleasure, whereas pizza seems to be magically exempt from that.
Mind you, you *can* get a good pizza here. But not on a NYC streetside, you have to find a small place, preferably with an actual Italian behind the oven, who knows that olives, tomatoes, feta cheese etc are all very good pizza toppings.
It's kinda odd, it's a lot easier to find good Chinese food in Boston than good Italian food.
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Nowhere better (and I'm sorry, but while I've not been, I've heard from multiple people - some with family still in the old country - that for all Italy's charms - and there are many - pizza is not one of them. it's more an American thing).
Just no.
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On a serious note though, from a culinary perspective, the general pizza in the US is really not good. For the most part they really are just cheese and pepperoni delivery vehicles, and drenched in oil. I understand why people like them that way, in the same way people like HotPockets. But I've never heard anyone describe HotPockets as anything but a guilty pleasure, whereas pizza seems to be magically exempt from that.
Mind you, you *can* get a good pizza here. But not on a NYC streetside, you have to find a small place, preferably with an actual Italian behind the oven, who knows that olives, tomatoes, feta cheese etc are all very good pizza toppings.
It's kinda odd, it's a lot easier to find good Chinese food in Boston than good Italian food.
But that's a function of people being bad cooks than the idea of "pizza" itself. Eat one of Marc Vetri's pizza's from Philly. Not a puddle of oil to be found within a block of that pie. You're describing the pie made at 3 am by a Philipino guy looking to end his shift because his joint is filled with drunk assholes who just got out of the bar. When I make mine (and I am no chef, I will tell you that) there isn't a drop of oil to be found. Use fresh cheese, a modicum of sauce, and fresh toppings and you're 3/4 of the way there.
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The answer IMO is definitely NYC and I do believe it is due to the fantastic NYC tap water.
And I like the pizza soft and able to fold up. Not too soft that it starts to flop over, thats no bueno, but soft enough to fold and stay straight.
I do however think my favorite spot is a local joint that makes a chicken vodka pizza.
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But that's a function of people being bad cooks than the idea of "pizza" itself. Eat one of Marc Vetri's pizza's from Philly. Not a puddle of oil to be found within a block of that pie. You're describing the pie made at 3 am by a Philipino guy looking to end his shift because his joint is filled with drunk assholes who just got out of the bar. When I make mine (and I am no chef, I will tell you that) there isn't a drop of oil to be found. Use fresh cheese, a modicum of sauce, and fresh toppings and you're 3/4 of the way there.
He learnt his trade in Italy. He's basically making Italian Pizza's for American's :)
Here's a list of the top 20 Pizza places.
https://uk.phaidon.com/agenda/food/articles/2016/may/09/daniel-youngs-top-20-best-pizza-places-in-the-world/
8 of the top 10 are in Italy, Including all the top 4....
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(https://data.whicdn.com/images/14262777/large.jpg)
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you can GTFO if you consider that real pizza.
no u
Giordano's stuffed pizza is the best of them.
(https://giordanos.com/content/uploads/Pizza_New-Homepage-image.jpg)
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I don't care where the best pizza comes from. I only care where the best pizza readily available to me comes from.
And in that regard, as said earlier, most towns have at least one or two local pizza joints that are pretty good. So that's what I look for.
In general, I definitely want NY style, not the meat and cheese pie style from Chicago. I'm sure it's very tasty, but it's not what I think of as "pizza".
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Long answer: Best pizza comes from Italy. It amuses me that Americans hate it. They'd also hate Chinese food intensely, despite loving what we call Chinese. Same with Brits and their pseudo-Indian, and Thai probably fits into that, as well. Best Pizza I had was in a town called Lecco, and starred prosciutto, artichoke hearts, shrooms and a modest amount of mozzarella. I also had a pretty shitty pizza there that they made specifically for my American ass. All the more reason to skip Rome.
Short answer: Wherever you come from. People like what they like and that's generally the thing they're used to. I can get enchiladas or chili in pretty much every city in America. Away from Texas it starts to suck, though. Yet I'm sure people in Cincinnati love what they call chili. Same thing with BBQ. Hef and I would probably beat each other senseless over what constitutes good BBQ. NYC pizza is fine, but nothing to write home about. Its availability is it's best point, really.
Fuck, I guessed wrong which would be the long and short answers.
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I think there's also just a big difference between Italian pizza and American pizza. Just like there's a big difference between NY pizza and Chicago pizza. In the end, though made from the same basic ingredients, they're different beasts.
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The one thing about pizza, it's almost always good. Some are just better than others, but I really enjoy pizza in every form I've had it in. It's definitely the one food that I always answer when asked "What food would you choose if you could only eat one thing the rest of your life?"
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The one thing about pizza, it's almost always good. Some are just better than others, but I really enjoy pizza in every form I've had it in. It's definitely the one food that I always answer when asked "What food would you choose if you could only eat one thing the rest of your life?"
Yeah, only once do I recall pizza that was so awful I couldn't eat it. That was in Pittsburgh. Not sure what's wrong with those people but they're clearly not right somehow. Pizza from buffets is usually pretty weak, but never terrible. I'll certainly still eat it if that's what's available. Down here most of the takeout is generic takeout pizza, but we have plenty of places cranking out Italian style pizza that are very good. Seems a new wood fired, brick oven place is opening every week.
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NYC, and here's why: every City has at least one or two great pizza joints, but NY, even the late-night, by-the-slice pits are at least very good.
You need to go to a Lombardi's or something like that - with the brick oven that has been in place since 1935 or so, and let them make the pie the way it's supposed to be made (none of this "chicken ranch BBQ" crap).
When you're cooking "good" pizza (meaning, fresh dough, not frozen in a hot, brick oven) the difference between "soggy" and "crispy" is literally 60 or 90 seconds. For me, there is nothing better than walking down the street in NYC with a slice of fresh pizza. Nowhere better (and I'm sorry, but while I've not been, I've heard from multiple people - some with family still in the old country - that for all Italy's charms - and there are many - pizza is not one of them. it's more an American thing).
You're from Connecticut, man. New Haven holds 2 or the top 25 pizzas in the country. Where's your pride?
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The one thing about pizza, it's almost always good. Some are just better than others, but I really enjoy pizza in every form I've had it in. It's definitely the one food that I always answer when asked "What food would you choose if you could only eat one thing the rest of your life?"
Yeah, only once do I recall pizza that was so awful I couldn't eat it. That was in Pittsburgh. Not sure what's wrong with those people but they're clearly not right somehow. Pizza from buffets is usually pretty weak, but never terrible. I'll certainly still eat it if that's what's available. Down here most of the takeout is generic takeout pizza, but we have plenty of places cranking out Italian style pizza that are very good. Seems a new wood fired, brick oven place is opening every week.
Yup I pretty much feel the same, including your view on Pittsburgh pizza. Like Dominos gets shit on a lot, rightfully so, it's low end pizza. But I still enjoy it as a cheap and easy alternative. Sort of like how I enjoy a Big Mac, but I'm not going to be comparing it to a legit burger.
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Barto and Adami nailed it. No surprise there. :lol
Specific to pizza, I can really enjoy and appreciate a lot of different styles. There is a fantastic Chicago style joint near my office that is some of the best pizza I have ever had. Very authentic, from what I'm told. But more importantly to me, very yummy. There is also a fantastic NY style place in my town, and a buddy of mine from NY says it is authentic and is the only place in the area where he will order pizza himself. But by the same token, I can also enjoy a pizza from the snack bar at Costco. All very different. But all yummy enough, so all good.
And Barto, I hear you on authentic foods. I have always been pretty adventurous and pretty open minded when it comes to trying foods, and learned very early on that we often have no clue when we label certain foods as belonging to a certain culture. I am regularly reminded of that fact whenever we invite people over for dinner and in response to my wife asking what they like, we get a response along the lines of, "Oh, can you make Chinese?" My Chinese-born wife then smiles, asks what specific dishes they have in mind, and simultaneously resigns herself, before even hearing the answer, to the fact that whatever common restaurant dishes they mention next will be nothing that anyone actually eats in China. :lol Having been to China myself, I can vouch for that. For the most part, the places where you can get the real, authentic Chinese food are the places where I am the only (or among very few) non-Chinese in the place and the menu is not written in English.
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Hef and I would probably beat each other senseless over what constitutes good BBQ.
Obviously my heart is with pulled pork, but I've gotta say, I love some good brisket.
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I agree with ElBarto on that for the most part these threads devolve into "the best X is where I grew up", which is essentially a variation on "my mom's oatmeal is the best". I have seen people defend their local Chili's menu in their Podunk town, even though they knew very well that it was shoddy chain food made from stale ingredients.
That's why I'm saying from a *culinary* perspective, actual Italian pizzas are probably the best because fresh ingredients is expected, not a bonus.
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The one thing about pizza, it's almost always good. Some are just better than others, but I really enjoy pizza in every form I've had it in. It's definitely the one food that I always answer when asked "What food would you choose if you could only eat one thing the rest of your life?"
Yeah, only once do I recall pizza that was so awful I couldn't eat it. That was in Pittsburgh. Not sure what's wrong with those people but they're clearly not right somehow. Pizza from buffets is usually pretty weak, but never terrible. I'll certainly still eat it if that's what's available. Down here most of the takeout is generic takeout pizza, but we have plenty of places cranking out Italian style pizza that are very good. Seems a new wood fired, brick oven place is opening every week.
Yup I pretty much feel the same, including your view on Pittsburgh pizza. Like Dominos gets shit on a lot, rightfully so, it's low end pizza. But I still enjoy it as a cheap and easy alternative. Sort of like how I enjoy a Big Mac, but I'm not going to be comparing it to a legit burger.
Yeah, but you can still go much lower than Dominos too. If you have Little Caesars, you know what I am talking about. Or the pizza at Chuck E. Cheese. That makes some buffet pizza seem gourmet by comparison.
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I don't think people really argue about whose Mom makes the best oatmeal.
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My mom used to put raisins in oatmeal, so, your mom wins, Hef.
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My mom used to put raisins in oatmeal, so, your mom wins, Hef.
My Mom never made oatmeal.
But I like almonds, Craisins, and brown sugar in mine.
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Yeah, I agree with everyone saying that "the best" is going to be where you're from most of the time. And in the end, the difference between top place might be mostly subjective. I think the whole pizza gatekeeper/elitism thing is dumb honestly, so I don't honestly make statements about it without a touch of irony.
But also, sometimes getting into pointless arguments like whose mom makes the best oatmeal is fun.
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For the most part, the places where you can get the real, authentic Chinese food are the places where I am the only (or among very few) non-Chinese in the place and the menu is not written in English.
Yeah, that's usually a good indicator. Once a place gets visited regularly by tourists they often start adjusting their menu, for the worse usually.
Really annoyed me when I was in India, where there was a buffet for Indians, but I was immediately handed the "Western menu", full of bland adaptation for the "Western palate". Eventually I just started going to the buffet. Ok, it burned going in (and out) the first few days, but eventually I adapted.
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Yeah, only once do I recall pizza that was so awful I couldn't eat it. That was in Pittsburgh. Not sure what's wrong with those people but they're clearly not right somehow. Pizza from buffets is usually pretty weak, but never terrible. I'll certainly still eat it if that's what's available. Down here most of the takeout is generic takeout pizza, but we have plenty of places cranking out Italian style pizza that are very good. Seems a new wood fired, brick oven place is opening every week.
As a life long Pittsburgher I'd agree with this. :lol
Luckily there are a couple really good mom and pop places in my town about 30 minutes away from the city.
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I have seen people defend their local Chili's menu in their Podunk town, even though they knew very well that it was shoddy chain food made from stale ingredients.
Totally that. :lol I have had that specific experience a few times. One notable one that stands out in my mind is when my wife and I were visiting one such Podunk town years ago on a weekend getaway. This was prior to smart phones and being able to look things up on the fly. We had stopped at some store or the other, and stopped a local in the parking lot to ask where the locals ate. As in, what is the best local, off-the-beaten-path, home-cooked eats place in town? The conversation went something like:
Us: Excuse me. We're from out of town and are looking to go out for a nice dinner. Can you recommend us a good local, down-home type place?
Local: Oh yeah, definitely!
Us: :caffeine:
Local: And close by, too.
Us: :caffeine: :caffeine:
Local: One of my favorites, in fact.
Us: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:
Local: They just built a Red Robin. It's right over yonder. Best food in town.
Us: :|
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I predict a massive rush on pizza joints in DTF cities.
I'm going to call The Pie in my local town. Not authentic Italian for sure, but fresh ingredients and moderate cheese.
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I have seen people defend their local Chili's menu in their Podunk town, even though they knew very well that it was shoddy chain food made from stale ingredients.
Totally that. :lol I have had that specific experience a few times. One notable one that stands out in my mind is when my wife and I were visiting one such Podunk town years ago on a weekend getaway. This was prior to smart phones and being able to look things up on the fly. We had stopped at some store or the other, and stopped a local in the parking lot to ask where the locals ate. As in, what is the best local, off-the-beaten-path, home-cooked eats place in town? The conversation went something like:
Us: Excuse me. We're from out of town and are looking to go out for a nice dinner. Can you recommend us a good local, down-home type place?
Local: Oh yeah, definitely!
Us: :caffeine:
Local: And close by, too.
Us: :caffeine: :caffeine:
Local: One of my favorites, in fact.
Us: :caffeine: :caffeine: :caffeine:
Local: They just built a Red Robin. It's right over yonder. Best food in town.
Us: :|
Same. Exact. Experience. "Downtown" Palatka, Florida. Figured I'd make a stop because a sign said "historic downtown". Apparently they confused "delapidated and run down" with "historic". So, I looked for a restaurant, but none to be found. A local gave me glowing reviews for the Chili's on the main strip. Yeah.
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Sweden, because they were the only people ingenious enough to put donner kebab on a pizza.
(https://stalej.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/kebabpizza-med-pommes.jpg?w=614&h=532)
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Same. Exact. Experience. "Downtown" Palatka, Florida. Figured I'd make a stop because a sign said "historic downtown". Apparently they confused "delapidated and run down" with "historic". So, I looked for a restaurant, but none to be found. A local gave me glowing reviews for the Chili's on the main strip. Yeah.
:rollin Sometimes I wish I lived in your neck of the woods so we could just forget about debating politics and religion (or debating on the Internet at all) and just hang out and enjoy a good meal and some good real life banter.
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For the most part, the places where you can get the real, authentic Chinese food are the places where I am the only (or among very few) non-Chinese in the place and the menu is not written in English.
Yeah, that's usually a good indicator. Once a place gets visited regularly by tourists they often start adjusting their menu, for the worse usually.
Really annoyed me when I was in India, where there was a buffet for Indians, but I was immediately handed the "Western menu", full of bland adaptation for the "Western palate". Eventually I just started going to the buffet. Ok, it burned going in (and out) the first few days, but eventually I adapted.
And how was it? I was curious about it when you were reporting on your trip. Same food but spicier? Different stuff altogether? And just how hot was it?
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Price/Quality wise definitely Dominos, there pizza's aren't super amazing but you can combine discount codes. Sometimes you can get two extra large pizza's delivered for about 10 euro's :azn:
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Sometimes the chain places are actually just fine, particularly the regional ones. The original Chili's (about a mile from where I reside) was fantastic. Great burgers. They made soft tacos out of their chili which were great. They were pioneers in seasoned fries, which came in a giant basket. Even when there were 10 or 12 locations they were good. Eventually they expanded to the point that they had to keep mucking with their menu and it was never the same. Nowadays it largely comes down to what they're trying to do any given quarter.
Down here we have El Fenix, which has been serving the same enchilada special since 1918 (and some Wednesday next year is going to be a monumental event in Dallas). Plenty of places have opened up that make them come across about as well as Taco Bell, but it's still reliable tex-mex as it has been for ages. If someone were in Dallas for just one night it's not where I'd take them, but if they were here for a week I'd suggest hitting it for the lunch special.
Gene Street, founder of Black Eyed Pea, pretty much perfected and popularized the chicken fried steak. While they existed it was still a damned reliable place to eat down here. Even though they're gone, you can still find his CFS at places that splinted off from his BEP venture.
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mmm chicken fried steak
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Sometimes the chain places are actually just fine, particularly the regional ones. The original Chili's (about a mile from where I reside) was fantastic.
Oh, sure. I'm not hating on chains at all. See my comment on Costco pizza. If it's good, it's good. We have a Chili's in town, and yeah, the burgers are pretty good, as are other things on the menu. I like their ribs a lot, even though they can't compare to some good, home-cooked ribs. My point was just that the chains are a far cry from authentic, home-cooked food.
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Same. Exact. Experience. "Downtown" Palatka, Florida. Figured I'd make a stop because a sign said "historic downtown". Apparently they confused "delapidated and run down" with "historic". So, I looked for a restaurant, but none to be found. A local gave me glowing reviews for the Chili's on the main strip. Yeah.
:rollin Sometimes I wish I lived in your neck of the woods so we could just forget about debating politics and religion (or debating on the Internet at all) and just hang out and enjoy a good meal and some good real life banter.
I have often suspected that were we to meet in real life, we would get along swimmingly.
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For the most part, the places where you can get the real, authentic Chinese food are the places where I am the only (or among very few) non-Chinese in the place and the menu is not written in English.
Yeah, that's usually a good indicator. Once a place gets visited regularly by tourists they often start adjusting their menu, for the worse usually.
Really annoyed me when I was in India, where there was a buffet for Indians, but I was immediately handed the "Western menu", full of bland adaptation for the "Western palate". Eventually I just started going to the buffet. Ok, it burned going in (and out) the first few days, but eventually I adapted.
And how was it? I was curious about it when you were reporting on your trip. Same food but spicier? Different stuff altogether? And just how hot was it?
Distinctly different for sure. And yeah, in terms of hotness, I certainly like things hot, but it pushed my limits at least in the beginning. It's probably for the better that they create Western menus, because a lot of people don't really like spicy.
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Same. Exact. Experience. "Downtown" Palatka, Florida. Figured I'd make a stop because a sign said "historic downtown". Apparently they confused "delapidated and run down" with "historic". So, I looked for a restaurant, but none to be found. A local gave me glowing reviews for the Chili's on the main strip. Yeah.
:rollin Sometimes I wish I lived in your neck of the woods so we could just forget about debating politics and religion (or debating on the Internet at all) and just hang out and enjoy a good meal and some good real life banter.
I have often suspected that were we to meet in real life, we would get along swimmingly.
I was going to ask to join, but if you guys are going to go swimming......maybe not.
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Same. Exact. Experience. "Downtown" Palatka, Florida. Figured I'd make a stop because a sign said "historic downtown". Apparently they confused "delapidated and run down" with "historic". So, I looked for a restaurant, but none to be found. A local gave me glowing reviews for the Chili's on the main strip. Yeah.
:rollin Sometimes I wish I lived in your neck of the woods so we could just forget about debating politics and religion (or debating on the Internet at all) and just hang out and enjoy a good meal and some good real life banter.
I have often suspected that were we to meet in real life, we would get along swimmingly.
I was going to ask to join, but if you guys are going to go swimming......maybe not.
Aww. :( But I hear that if you haven't been swimming in Boston Harbor in March, you haven't been swimming.
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Oh I just don't swim. I can swim, I think (it's been a long time) but I just do not swim.
I'll put my feet in though.
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For the most part, the places where you can get the real, authentic Chinese food are the places where I am the only (or among very few) non-Chinese in the place and the menu is not written in English.
Yeah, that's usually a good indicator. Once a place gets visited regularly by tourists they often start adjusting their menu, for the worse usually.
Really annoyed me when I was in India, where there was a buffet for Indians, but I was immediately handed the "Western menu", full of bland adaptation for the "Western palate". Eventually I just started going to the buffet. Ok, it burned going in (and out) the first few days, but eventually I adapted.
And how was it? I was curious about it when you were reporting on your trip. Same food but spicier? Different stuff altogether? And just how hot was it?
Distinctly different for sure. And yeah, in terms of hotness, I certainly like things hot, but it pushed my limits at least in the beginning. It's probably for the better that they create Western menus, because a lot of people don't really like spicy.
I guess what I was wondering is if it's the same dishes prepared differently, or if they cook completely different dishes for themselves. A person in China wouldn't know WTF orange beef is. Are the Indians still eating saag paneer and vindaloo, just prepared differently?
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I just had orange beef for the first time last weekend, it was delish. My chinese coworker gets so mad when I talk about "chinese food" :lol
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Sometimes the chain places are actually just fine, particularly the regional ones. The original Chili's (about a mile from where I reside) was fantastic.
Oh, sure. I'm not hating on chains at all. See my comment on Costco pizza. If it's good, it's good. We have a Chili's in town, and yeah, the burgers are pretty good, as are other things on the menu. I like their ribs a lot, even though they can't compare to some good, home-cooked ribs. My point was just that the chains are a far cry from authentic, home-cooked food.
Don't laugh, but for me, Olive Garden would be a consideration for my last meal. I used to love Outback too, but they got expensive and the last couple of steaks were REALLY salty. Like, TOO salty.
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NYC, and here's why: every City has at least one or two great pizza joints, but NY, even the late-night, by-the-slice pits are at least very good.
You need to go to a Lombardi's or something like that - with the brick oven that has been in place since 1935 or so, and let them make the pie the way it's supposed to be made (none of this "chicken ranch BBQ" crap).
When you're cooking "good" pizza (meaning, fresh dough, not frozen in a hot, brick oven) the difference between "soggy" and "crispy" is literally 60 or 90 seconds. For me, there is nothing better than walking down the street in NYC with a slice of fresh pizza. Nowhere better (and I'm sorry, but while I've not been, I've heard from multiple people - some with family still in the old country - that for all Italy's charms - and there are many - pizza is not one of them. it's more an American thing).
You're from Connecticut, man. New Haven holds 2 or the top 25 pizzas in the country. Where's your pride?
No doubt; Pepe's, Sally's (they're right next door to each other) and Moderne (right down the road, with an AWESOME Italian bakery in between) are all stellar, but they're variations on the NY pizza, and, well, yeah.
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The best pizza I think I've ever had was in a strip mall in Queens. I can't remember the name, though I think I would recognize it. It was right off the main street.
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NYC, and here's why: every City has at least one or two great pizza joints, but NY, even the late-night, by-the-slice pits are at least very good.
You need to go to a Lombardi's or something like that - with the brick oven that has been in place since 1935 or so, and let them make the pie the way it's supposed to be made (none of this "chicken ranch BBQ" crap).
When you're cooking "good" pizza (meaning, fresh dough, not frozen in a hot, brick oven) the difference between "soggy" and "crispy" is literally 60 or 90 seconds. For me, there is nothing better than walking down the street in NYC with a slice of fresh pizza. Nowhere better (and I'm sorry, but while I've not been, I've heard from multiple people - some with family still in the old country - that for all Italy's charms - and there are many - pizza is not one of them. it's more an American thing).
You're from Connecticut, man. New Haven holds 2 or the top 25 pizzas in the country. Where's your pride?
No doubt; Pepe's, Sally's (they're right next door to each other) and Moderne (right down the road, with an AWESOME Italian bakery in between) are all stellar, but they're variations on the NY pizza, and, well, yeah.
I saw both of them on a TV show. I think it was Food Paradise.
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I had Pepe's last year and was honestly not impressed, at all. Like all pizza, it was good, but it did not meet the hype IMO.
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Very rarely does a restaurant live up to its hype. And if that hype was well deserved it won't be for long. How many places do those food channel guys eat at that go belly up after a year because they can't keep up with the increased demand from the exposure?
Down here we've got a restaurant shark tank sort of deal. Restaurateurs and high end chefs open up places and either sink or swim. The ones that swim thrive. The ones that don't are gone in 3 months. The swimmers invariably move to better neighborhoods with better clientele and lower rent. Then they fold six months later. Not only his hype usually unwarranted, it's nontransferable.
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Well Pepe is an old spot from 1925, I don't think the hype from an old establishment is the same as hype from a new spot that gets some exposure.
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Well Pepe is an old spot from 1925, I don't think the hype from an old establishment is the same as hype from a new spot that gets some exposure.
And to that I give you:
Pat's King of Steaks, since 1930.
And our version of that is Sonny Bryans, selling flavorless brisket since 1966. Good sauce, great onion rings, bland meat. Long lines, though. I can't attest to this Pepe's place. Maybe it sucks, and maybe it's great and you have awful taste. :lol I'm merely commenting on the nature of hype. I avoid the legendary places, or any place that uses a feud as self-promotion.
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Around here, a good many of those places that get hyped on Food Network still seem to thrive just fine...unless they try to relocate. If they stay put, they generally do just fine.
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Well Pepe is an old spot from 1925, I don't think the hype from an old establishment is the same as hype from a new spot that gets some exposure.
And to that I give you:
Pat's King of Steaks, since 1930.
And our version of that is Sonny Bryans, selling flavorless brisket since 1966. Good sauce, great onion rings, bland meat. Long lines, though. I can't attest to this Pepe's place. Maybe it sucks, and maybe it's great and you have awful taste. :lol I'm merely commenting on the nature of hype. I avoid the legendary places, or any place that uses a feud as self-promotion.
Fair enough, I thought you were only mentioning hype from TV. Sure my taste may suck though :lol. I do find overall , that food meets my hype more so than other things in life. Probably because I am a fat ass American that loves to eat. And Pepe wasn't bad, I just found it to be nothing special and also there was a long line so definitely not worth the wait.
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I think there's also just a big difference between Italian pizza and American pizza. Just like there's a big difference between NY pizza and Chicago pizza. In the end, though made from the same basic ingredients, they're different beasts.
Italian pizza is certainly more healthy than the American version. I've made Italian pizza and it's just as good as NY style. It all depends on one's taste buds and what one likes.
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New York and Chicago style pizza are both good, but neither is what I would want regularly. The local chain where I grew up (Pizza Joe's) had a pretty unique style. Square pizza with thick, but very light and fluffy crust. I'd always try to grab the corner slices if I could. I still crave that specific pizza fairly often, and I always try to get it if I'm back home. By no means do I think anyone outside of that area would think it's mindblowing, though.
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I like a good Sicilian pie, like what you mentioned above, but so many places suck at making it.
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I love Pizza Hut's stuffed crust meat lovers. I've been raised on delivery pizza, I like it better than the authentic. The same with Mexican, I'll take Taco Bell over authentic any day.
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I love Pizza Hut's stuffed crust meat lovers. I've been raised on delivery pizza, I like it better than the authentic. The same with Mexican, I'll take Taco Bell over authentic any day.
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I had Pepe's last year and was honestly not impressed, at all. Like all pizza, it was good, but it did not meet the hype IMO.
I was going to try Pepe's once but went in, was told they don't do slices, and fucked off. Must be the New Yorker in me that left because they have billboards along I-84 all over the place.
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I love Pizza Hut's stuffed crust meat lovers. I've been raised on delivery pizza, I like it better than the authentic. The same with Mexican, I'll take Taco Bell over authentic any day.
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I love Pizza Hut's stuffed crust meat lovers. I've been raised on delivery pizza, I like it better than the authentic. The same with Mexican, I'll take Taco Bell over authentic any day.
Do you like croissants from Dunkin Donuts more than a legit bakery?
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I love Pizza Hut's stuffed crust meat lovers. I've been raised on delivery pizza, I like it better than the authentic. The same with Mexican, I'll take Taco Bell over authentic any day.
This is one of the worst things I've ever read, but at least you didn't say Domino's.
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I'll admit that while I haven't had traditional Chinese food, I would probably end up preferring American Chinese food to authentic Chinese food.
Granted my order is always just Lo Mein and fried rice, but I probably wouldn't enjoy authentic Chinese versions of them.
I'm okay with that.
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I'll admit that while I haven't had traditional Chinese food, I would probably end up preferring American Chinese food to authentic Chinese food.
Granted my order is always just Lo Mein and fried rice, but I probably wouldn't enjoy authentic Chinese versions of them.
I'm okay with that.
As one of those weird-fuck herbivores, you might actually like it. My only problem with it is the sorts of meats they're more apt to use. My bet is they can stir-fry you up some tasty noodles and Chinese vegetables that would be pretty darn good. Unless you don't like spicy things, either, and at that point that Panda place is probably the way to go.
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Oh I don't do Panda, I am very picky about my Chinese food, I just recognize that what I consider to be great is still seen as American trash.
And I love spicy. Wanna take me on a food tour of China? You can eat dogs, cats, hamsters, whatever, and I'll try whatever rice and noodle dishes I can.
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And I never got all the hate for Dominoes or Pizza Hut. Both are pretty far from my first choice, but they are what they are and there's a place for them just like there is Taco Bell or In-n-Out. They deliver cheap pizza to drunks and stoners til the wee hours, and for what it is it's perfectly passable. My hunch is that damn near everybody here would eat a couple of slices at a party and not be too put out by it.
I'd say that if you want to single out a pizza to rag on, Little Caesar's or Ci-Ci's are much better choices.
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Oh I don't do Panda, I am very picky about my Chinese food, I just recognize that what I consider to be great is still seen as American trash.
And I love spicy. Wanna take me on a food tour of China? You can eat dogs, cats, hamsters, whatever, and I'll try whatever rice and noodle dishes I can.
I try my best not to eat animals that I would keep as pets, so I'd probably be joining you with the lo mein. I eat far more Korean than I do Chinese, authentic or otherwise, so that's always on my mind (though we do casually refer to eating at any of the Koreatown places as "going out for dog." There are certainly authentic Chinese places that will serve up perfectly tasty beef, duck and pork, though.
edit: and I'm not sure Chinese see all of our "Chinese food" as trash. Bosk would be the authority here, but my hunch is that while they laugh at General Tso's chicken and are repulsed by sweet and sour pork, there's nothing inherently offensive about an American Szechuan stir fry or crispy duck.
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I mean, I'm sure the meals I eat are served in China too (for the people who eat as boring as I do), but I know it's prepared differently. From what I know, the Chinese like subtle flavoring, while Americans like it strong.
I like it strong.
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I love Pizza Hut's stuffed crust meat lovers. I've been raised on delivery pizza, I like it better than the authentic. The same with Mexican, I'll take Taco Bell over authentic any day.
This is one of the worst things I've ever read, but at least you didn't say Domino's.
:lol I agree, pizza hut is better than dominos, but pizza hut doesn't deliver by me. Dominos started doing a pan pizza similar to pizza hut, but it's not as good. Typically if I am getting food from dominos, I often don't even get a pizza. I love the hot sandwiches, wings, cheesy bread, and pasta bread bowls over the pizza. Also dominos specialty pies are significantly better than a standard pie made to order. I only just made this discovery. And as a drunk/stoner that loves to order delivery late night on weekends, dominos has a solid free rewards program (aka free pizza).
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Out of the chain, delivery places, I'd choose Marco's anytime. Pizza Hut would probably be second, though. I can't stand Papa John's, Domino's, or like bosk1 mentioned yesterday (shudder) Little Caesar's.
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I love Pizza Hut's stuffed crust meat lovers. I've been raised on delivery pizza, I like it better than the authentic. The same with Mexican, I'll take Taco Bell over authentic any day.
That's where you lost me. Taco Bell is awesome, don't get me wrong (I'm in for a chalupa!) but authentic Mexican is (or can be, I should say) top notch.
Also, it hasn't been said, but to me, pizza is like a blow job; even average pizza is better than nothing, though when it's bad, it can be really BAD. I actually like Papa John's and Dominos. Pizza Hut sends my innards into a tizzy, so I don't eat it much, and I stay clear of CiCi's and Little Caesars (last time I had that was at college, which was a long time ago). Though, LC is my wife's favorite, so go figure.
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Out of the chain, delivery places, I'd choose Marco's anytime. Pizza Hut would probably be second, though. I can't stand Papa John's, Domino's, or like bosk1 mentioned yesterday (shudder) Little Caesar's.
Never heard of Marco's and the Little Caesar's near me closed like 15 years ago. My local Papa John's is not very good, but the one near my old apartment was much better. Papa John's side dishes don't even compare to Dominos though.
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Well, I haven't been to that many places in the US to eat Pizza but to be honest none of the ones I went to blew my mind or anything even remotely close.
I haven't been to Italy so I can't comment on that either but I've heard that usually people find Pizza made in their country to be better than pizza made anywhere else, even Italy.
My favorite pizza comes from a place called La Mezzetta here in Buenos Aires, they do a cheese stuffed pizza with onion on the top that is just orgasmic.
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I'll take Taco Bell over authentic any day.
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Pat's King of Steaks, since 1930.
Funny you mention Pat's, because there's, of course, the well known "war" between Pat's and Geno's on opposing corners of the street, but any local will tell you "Fuck Pat's AND Geno's" and go to Jim's on South Street or Tony Luke's, or literally anywhere that isn't Pat's or Geno's.
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Funny you mention Pat's, because there's, of course, the well known "war" between Pat's and Geno's on opposing corners of the street, but any local will tell you "Fuck Pat's AND Geno's" and go to Jim's on South Street or Tony Luke's, or literally anywhere that isn't Pat's or Geno's.
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I won't go so far as "anywhere that isn't Pat's or Geno's" (Pat's is pretty fuckin' good), but I'll take Jim's any day of the week. I even bought a shirt. Not just best in Philly, but my vote for best anywhere (though Sarcone's has a better hoagie; their Old Fashioned Italian is killer. I've been driving through, and made the detour to Philly (if you're driving from, say, the Carolinas to Connecticut, Philly is NOT on the way) just to get a Jim's and Sarcone's sammich to take with me home.
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Jim's is the freakin' bomb. Sofa king good. I've also been told that the roast pork sandwich with broccoli rabe at DiNic's in the Reading Terminal Market is a must have. I haven't had it yet, but apparently Travel Channel once rated it the "Best Sandwich in America".
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I worked at Pizza Hut, so I can at least tell you it's well made stuff.
I thought this was more of a philosophical debate
I don't care who invented it the Lebanese perfected it. Easily the best za' out there.
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edit: and I'm not sure Chinese see all of our "Chinese food" as trash. Bosk would be the authority here, but my hunch is that while they laugh at General Tso's chicken and are repulsed by sweet and sour pork, there's nothing inherently offensive about an American Szechuan stir fry or crispy duck.
Yeah, pretty much that. And not trying to be a food snob anyway, Chinese or otherwise. I kinda subscribe to a similar theory regarding food in general as what you posted about pizza above. I generally prefer the "good stuff"--i.e., the more authentic versions. But I certainly cannot begrudge anyone their tastes if they in turn prefer the less-authentic or completely inauthentic foods. If they taste good to you, they taste good to you. It's just amusing that people don't realize that the majority of what we label as "Chinese food" in this country really isn't. Kinda like folks thinking that people in Japan eat California rolls.
I mean, I'm sure the meals I eat are served in China too (for the people who eat as boring as I do), but I know it's prepared differently. From what I know, the Chinese like subtle flavoring, while Americans like it strong.
I think that is largely true. But it is difficult to make generalizations like that without losing accuracy. Most of what our culture knows about China, including its cuisine, is based on exposure to a very limited segment of a huge, diverse population. I mean, the vast majority of the Chinese population that has come to this country (and other countries, for that matter), comes from two or three relatively small regions in a country that is bigger and arguably more diverse than the U.S. And all those peoples speak differently, think differently, and, as relevant to this thread, eat differently. But getting back to your post, I think that is largely true of what we think of as "Chinese" from southeastern China. More subtle, "bland" flavors. Whereas farther north, you start to see a lot more spices, heat, and bold flavors.
I like it strong.
As a wise philosopher once said, I like my Chinese food like a like my women! ...er, I have no idea where I am going with this.
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Jim's is the freakin' bomb. Sofa king good. I've also been told that the roast pork sandwich with broccoli rabe at DiNic's in the Reading Terminal Market is a must have. I haven't had it yet, but apparently Travel Channel once rated it the "Best Sandwich in America".
Yeah, I skipped it when I was there. Again, I tend to pass on places that are so well hyped. Since sandwiches are the food thing that Phili does well it's not like there aren't a thousand other options. Hell, there are a hundred different sandwiches in RTM alone. Think I went with the Bavarian at Schmitz when I ate at RTM.
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Funny you mention Pat's, because there's, of course, the well known "war" between Pat's and Geno's on opposing corners of the street, but any local will tell you "Fuck Pat's AND Geno's" and go to Jim's on South Street or Tony Luke's, or literally anywhere that isn't Pat's or Geno's.
My ex used to live right off south street, so whenever I'd be there, I would always get a cheese steak but never from those two spots, mostly because it just smells disgusting outside them. I used to always go to Steaks on South. Not sure if that was a popular spot, but I always enjoyed it. I finally when to Geno's last summer, the last time I went to Philly, and while it was good, it certainly wasn't anything better (not even as good IMO) as Steaks on South.
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It's just amusing that people don't realize that the majority of what we label as "Chinese food" in this country really isn't. Kinda like folks thinking that people in Japan eat California rolls.
Boston is chock full of "Chinese-American" restaurants, but yeah, if you want to get closer to actual Chinese food, you have to go to Chinatown. Quick rule-of-thumb, if they have chicken feet on the menu, or better chicken tongues, it's a decent place.
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It's just amusing that people don't realize that the majority of what we label as "Chinese food" in this country really isn't. Kinda like folks thinking that people in Japan eat California rolls.
Boston is chock full of "Chinese-American" restaurants, but yeah, if you want to get closer to actual Chinese food, you have to go to Chinatown. Quick rule-of-thumb, if they have chicken feet on the menu, or better chicken tongues, it's a decent place.
Yeah, I hear you. Or if they have whole chickens and ducks, and/or somewhat-identifiable pig parts hanging up in the window. Or just my general rule-of-thumb mentioned above for pretty much any ethnic (read: non-American) food: If I am the only (or at least, one of very few) "American"-looking customers, that's a very good sign.
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It's just amusing that people don't realize that the majority of what we label as "Chinese food" in this country really isn't. Kinda like folks thinking that people in Japan eat California rolls.
Boston is chock full of "Chinese-American" restaurants, but yeah, if you want to get closer to actual Chinese food, you have to go to Chinatown. Quick rule-of-thumb, if they have chicken feet on the menu, or better chicken tongues, it's a decent place.
Yeah, chicken feet is a good rule of thumb. Mine is if they make soup out of blood.
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But are any of those foods good? Doesn't sound it :lol
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Along the lines of what we are discussing in the thread generally (sorry to detour from the pizza discussion), one of my culinary regrets happened when my wife and I were in the northeast. We went to New York, but then did a short 3-day road trip up to Vermont, down through NH to Boston, and then down the coast. I was really looking forward to some good N.E. seafood (not necessarily lobster) or other good local food. My wife was as well. But my wife was pregnant with our first at the time, and as luck would have it, nausea started hitting her pretty hard during that part of the trip, so we played it VERY safe in terms of food. That was the only time I have been north of NY, and I'm bummed that I didn't get to do better in the eats department.
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But are any of those foods good? Doesn't sound it :lol
I don't care for either of those, personally. But the point is, if they serve those, they serve the real stuff, and there is plenty of really tasty, authentic food to choose from. I kinda equate it to going into a Mexican place that serves menudo or albondigas. I realize that those dishes are not for everybody. But chances are, if a Mexican place serves those, it is the real deal and there will be plenty of other things on the menu that you either won't find in the more Americanized places or are of substantially better (more authentic) quality.
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Jim's is the freakin' bomb. Sofa king good. I've also been told that the roast pork sandwich with broccoli rabe at DiNic's in the Reading Terminal Market is a must have. I haven't had it yet, but apparently Travel Channel once rated it the "Best Sandwich in America".
Yeah, I skipped it when I was there. Again, I tend to pass on places that are so well hyped. Since sandwiches are the food thing that Phili does well it's not like there aren't a thousand other options. Hell, there are a hundred different sandwiches in RTM alone. Think I went with the Bavarian at Schmitz when I ate at RTM.
Good choice, but in this case, the hype is real. DiNic's is good (though I'm a sucker for broccoli rabe). My problem with DiNic's is the logistics; it's a nightmare to wade through the people, so I usually don't.
Breakfast at RTM is great too. Scrapple!!!
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I think I may be getting pizza tonight as well, this thread has inspired me and I've had pizza on my mind all day. My gf is coming over and we already agreed to get delivery, but havent decided on what. I know in my mind what I want.
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This thread has inspired me to go to Cram's house tonight.
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Sorry, cram, I have to pass. I just had shrimp cocktail and a field bourbon barreled Imperial Stout. I am satisfied.
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My gf is coming over
This thread has inspired me to go to Cram's house tonight.
Dude?
What are you, some kind of sicko? ;D
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Your old perv.
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Had a tortellini alfredo pie last night. The crust was terrible, but man that sauce and tortellini were delicious. I don't think I'd order from this place again though, slow delivery and the pizza was also supposed to have grilled chicken, plus as mentioned, the crust was terrible.
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It's just amusing that people don't realize that the majority of what we label as "Chinese food" in this country really isn't. Kinda like folks thinking that people in Japan eat California rolls.
Boston is chock full of "Chinese-American" restaurants, but yeah, if you want to get closer to actual Chinese food, you have to go to Chinatown. Quick rule-of-thumb, if they have chicken feet on the menu, or better chicken tongues, it's a decent place.
Yeah, I hear you. Or if they have whole chickens and ducks, and/or somewhat-identifiable pig parts hanging up in the window. Or just my general rule-of-thumb mentioned above for pretty much any ethnic (read: non-American) food: If I am the only (or at least, one of very few) "American"-looking customers, that's a very good sign.
In New York, "Little Italy" is slowly turning into "Little China", and only Mulberry Street is really up to the hype (though there are little pockets; Lombardi's (Pizza) and DiPaolo's (Cheese shop) are not on Mulberry. But if you go to Mulberry, and go SOUTH, across Canal Street, there's almost no Italian, it's all Chinese, and most (not all) have a more authentic Chinese menu. There's a place that I used to go to (I can't for the life of me remember the name) but they were the real deal. No "Mongolian Beef" and no "General Tso's Chicken", but a real deal dim sum, though "dim sum" isn't itself indicative of "real Chinese", it's what's served as part of the dim sum.
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Had a tortellini alfredo pie last night. The crust was terrible, but man that sauce and tortellini were delicious. I don't think I'd order from this place again though, slow delivery and the pizza was also supposed to have grilled chicken, plus as mentioned, the crust was terrible.
Yeah, this thread got me to. We ordered a Stromboli pie. The bottom of the crust wasn't as crisp as I like and I'm not a fan of the big dough ring on the edge (that tends to make it to the dog's mouth). Other than that, it was excellent and literally looked just like this.
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mmmm sausage peppers and onion pizza. Great topping combo.
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There was a layer of pepperoni too.
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I never liked alfredo sauce. Then again, I never was a fan of cream sauces.
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I never liked alfredo sauce. Then again, I never was a fan of cream sauces.
That's not what I heard, big boy! :zydar:
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There was a layer of pepperoni too.
Didn't notice that initially. I think pepperoni is the best meat for pizza personally. Chicken works with specialty pies, but for a meat solo on pizza, pepperoni is my easy choice, followed by sausage.
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I never liked alfredo sauce. Then again, I never was a fan of cream sauces.
That's not what I heard, big boy! :zydar:
Big boy, huh? I guess King opened his mouth. Pun intended.
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There's a place that I used to go to (I can't for the life of me remember the name) but they were the real deal. No "Mongolian Beef" and no "General Tso's Chicken", but a real deal dim sum, though "dim sum" isn't itself indicative of "real Chinese", it's what's served as part of the dim sum.
That's exactly what I'm looking for.
And dim sum.
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There was a layer of pepperoni too.
Didn't notice that initially. I think pepperoni is the best meat for pizza personally. Chicken works with specialty pies, but for a meat solo on pizza, pepperoni is my easy choice, followed by sausage.
Pepperoni on one side. Sausage on the other. Mostly because they each work with different veggies (peppers vs shrooms, in this case).
And while I love alfredo sauce, it doesn't belong on pizza. Besides, I only really like it if I make it myself.
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When I used to work at Pizza Hut, one of my favorite topping combinations was chicken, diced tomato, and jalapeno. That was a damn good pizza.
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Is Hawaiian pizza kosher with you guys, or blasphemy?
I eat it either way, just curious.
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For me, no such thing as pizza blasphemy. Hawaiian is not my favorite or my choice ever usually, but it's not bad.
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I'll enjoy an occasional Hawaiian pizza. No blasphemy here.
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There was a layer of pepperoni too.
Didn't notice that initially. I think pepperoni is the best meat for pizza personally. Chicken works with specialty pies, but for a meat solo on pizza, pepperoni is my easy choice, followed by sausage.
Pepperoni on one side. Sausage on the other. Mostly because they each work with different veggies (peppers vs shrooms, in this case).
And while I love alfredo sauce, it doesn't belong on pizza. Besides, I only really like it if I make it myself.
I made pizza last weekend for the fam. Extra cheese for my stepson, margeurita (sp!) for my wife (sauce, fresh plum tomatoes, fresh mozzarella, and fresh basil), and for me I made a chicken, BBQ and red onion that was very good, a pepperoni and onion that was awesome, and a pancetta and onion that was okay (pancetta is too salty for me in that context).
My favorite from a takeout place is either sausage and/or pepperoni and onions, or green peppers and onions. I love onions on my pies.
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Is Hawaiian pizza kosher with you guys, or blasphemy?
I eat it either way, just curious.
I like to argue that it is blasphemy just because it's hard to pass on an opportunity to tongue-in-cheek be a food snob. But in reality, I don't have a problem with it. Kinda like Cram said, "no such thing as pizza blasphemy." Pizza can just be an awesome vehicle for just about anything you like.
But for me personally, I just don't eat it because I think it's gross. I like all the components separately, but I just don't like the combination together on a pizza. Kinda like cheese cake. Generally, I can't stand it (usually, anyway; there are exceptions). It's one of the few foods that I just don't like. But, separately, I like all the components. It's just when you put them together that it doesn't work for me.
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But for me personally, I just don't eat it because I think it's gross. I like all the components separately, but I just don't like the combination together on a pizza.
I get that.
Kinda like cheese cake.
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You know that cheesecake isn't just cheese on cake, right?
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But for me personally, I just don't eat it because I think it's gross. I like all the components separately, but I just don't like the combination together on a pizza.
I get that.
Kinda like cheese cake.
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You know that cheesecake isn't just cheese on cake, right?
:lol Yes. I OBVIOUSLY meant cheesecake. Cream cheese is just something I don't like with sweet things. That combo just doesn't work for me. Love cream cheese. I love graham crack pie crust (or, generally, whatever other crust one is using for their cheesecake of choice). I usually love the strawberry, or chocolate, or whatever other flavor is being used. But the combo just doesn't work for me.
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Thank God we have a NY pizzeria here in Tulsa. Dude's from NYC and runs a hole in the wall pizza joint right next to his "cash for gold" business.
https://www.unclevinnyspizzas.com
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Bosk nailed it with the Hawaiian pizza thing. Put whatever you want on your pizza. I don't care. Don't much care for it myself, though. Where I draw the line is replacing tomato sauce with any other sauce. At that point it stops being a pizza and I throw the blasphemy card. Afredo and barbecue sauces change it from pizza to, I dunno, some sort of weird pie thing. Sometimes it's perfectly tasty, but it's not pizza.
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I generally agree about sauces (I prefer my pizza sauce a tad on the sweeter side), but the one exception I was okay with - as a teenager working at Pizza Hut, there was a limited time pizza called the steak lover's pizza. Hunks of steak and onion over a Worcestershire style sauce. Surprisingly good.
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I just think a pizza should try to remain at least partially true to its Italian heritage.
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I just think a pizza should try to remain at least partially true to its Italian heritage.
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I just think a pizza should try to remain at least partially true to its Italian heritage.
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I recall those being fairly tasty, but nobody in their right mind would call them pizza.
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Bosk nailed it with the Hawaiian pizza thing. Put whatever you want on your pizza. I don't care. Don't much care for it myself, though. Where I draw the line is replacing tomato sauce with any other sauce. At that point it stops being a pizza and I throw the blasphemy card. Afredo and barbecue sauces change it from pizza to, I dunno, some sort of weird pie thing. Sometimes it's perfectly tasty, but it's not pizza.
I'm with you - my previous posts notwithstanding - on sauces. Even the chicken BBQ I made had a red sauce underneath.
Having said that: what about "white pies"? The aforementioned New Haven pizza is notorious for their "white clam" pies; clams, olive oil, garlic, and some green (basil, parsley, oregano). It's REALLY good, and it's more pizza than the sham things we're alluding to above.
Oh, and cheesecake is the dessert of kings. I even make my own (that I LOVE, though the sauces are hard to do with any integrity).
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Italy obviously!
Why there are 5 pages of thread when the correct answer was already given after 4-5 replies?
;D
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Having said that: what about "white pies"? The aforementioned New Haven pizza is notorious for their "white clam" pies; clams, olive oil, garlic, and some green (basil, parsley, oregano). It's REALLY good, and it's more pizza than the sham things we're alluding to above.
Sounds tasty. I wouldn't call it pizza, though.
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I recall those being fairly tasty, but nobody in their right mind would call them pizza.
Well it's called a Mexican Pizza at Taco Bell. It's not Italian pizza, but personally I don't see anything completely wrong with using the word pizza to describe it though. That's just me.
Having said that: what about "white pies"? The aforementioned New Haven pizza is notorious for their "white clam" pies; clams, olive oil, garlic, and some green (basil, parsley, oregano). It's REALLY good, and it's more pizza than the sham things we're alluding to above.
Sounds tasty. I wouldn't call it pizza, though.
Yea I remember at Pepe's this was the specialty pie, but clams were not something I was interested in that moment so we went with a plain pizza. I do however, LOVE white pies with the ricotta instead of tomato sauce. You can throw broccoli and tomato on there as well.
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A pizza doesn't have two crusts. If Taco Bell removes the top crust to call it a pizza then it's merely a tostada. As it stands now it's closer to a gordito as made by the local joints.
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Barto, can I get a ruling on pesto instead of tomato sauce?
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Who are we bullshitting? We all know the best pizza.
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^^^ What prison is that from?
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Barto, can I get a ruling on pesto instead of tomato sauce?
Sorry, didn't know I had a case before me. Love pesto. Make a pizza like dish out of it and I'll eat the hell out of it. It's not a pizza, though.
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^^^ What prison is that from?
Every public school I ever went to. And the analogy is quite sound.
Personally, I dug their pizza. That and the chimichangas were the best thing about the DISD.
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F*cking plastic-cheesed excuse for a pizza. Awful.
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^^^ What prison is that from?
Every public school I ever went to. And the analogy is quite sound.
Personally, I dug their pizza. That and the chimichangas were the best thing about the DISD.
I always loved the pizza at grade/high school, and it looked similar. I mean, it was shit pizza, but I enjoyed it a lot as a kid.
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Ellio's!!
Before I caught diabetes I would eat a whole box in one sitting. :lol
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Hawaiian pizza isn't amazing, but it has its place. I actually prefer a pepperoni and pineapple combination myself. But I only occasionally go the pineapple route.
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Barto, can I get a ruling on pesto instead of tomato sauce?
Just no
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I worked at Pizza Hut, so I can at least tell you it's well made stuff.
I did too. I used to make interesting personal pizzas, like pepperoni and pineapple!
LOL at school pizza. I'd say Little Caesar's is a step above that in the low spectrum, but is still pretty bad.
Domino's has good stuffed cheese bread!
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Barto, can I get a ruling on pesto instead of tomato sauce?
Just no
Don't knock it until you've tried it. A good pesto and sausage pie is a thing of beauty.
I've never had Hawaiian pizza because it just doesn't really interest me, though I don't really look down on it at all. My sister went through a phase where she would dip her pizza in ranch dressing, and that just about gave me involuntary rage twitches.
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Barto, can I get a ruling on pesto instead of tomato sauce?
Just no
Don't knock it until you've tried it. A good pesto and sausage pie is a thing of beauty.
I've never had Hawaiian pizza because it just doesn't really interest me, though I don't really look down on it at all. My sister went through a phase where she would dip her pizza in ranch dressing, and that just about gave me involuntary rage twitches.
Do you want to try my load on your pizza? I'll try the pesto if you try that. Don't knock it until you try it. :biggrin:
Pesto has a unique taste to it, but I can't see it replacing tomato sauce on pizza. Just my opinion.
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Barto, can I get a ruling on pesto instead of tomato sauce?
Just no
Don't knock it until you've tried it. A good pesto and sausage pie is a thing of beauty.
I've never had Hawaiian pizza because it just doesn't really interest me, though I don't really look down on it at all. My sister went through a phase where she would dip her pizza in ranch dressing, and that just about gave me involuntary rage twitches.
Do you want to try my load on your pizza? I'll try the pesto if you try that. Don't knock it until you try it. :biggrin:
:rollin
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Barto, can I get a ruling on pesto instead of tomato sauce?
Just no
Don't knock it until you've tried it. A good pesto and sausage pie is a thing of beauty.
I've never had Hawaiian pizza because it just doesn't really interest me, though I don't really look down on it at all. My sister went through a phase where she would dip her pizza in ranch dressing, and that just about gave me involuntary rage twitches.
I used to get pizza and wings from this local place that since closed down and I would always dip my crust in the left over ranch dressing. Their seasoned crust was perfect for dipping.
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At Penn State there was a dollar pizza joint for all the drunk students to hit up, literally would have a line down the street of drunk students on a weekend. But they always had ranch dressing for free and that was my first experience dipping slices into ranch. It's not bad. Granted, I don't do this normally, but on a cheap slice that's more doughy, it's not bad at all. I got a baked ziti pie today. This was really really good and well made, unlike my pizza from the other night.
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When I was in college, I'd save my crusts, so later on after some :hat I would spread peanut butter on them. ;D
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Stonerific!
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When I was in college, I'd save my crusts, so later on after some :hat I would spread peanut butter on them. ;D
Bruh, that is pinnacle stoner cred :lol
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When it comes to frozen pizza, I'm fine with a Jack's pizza. I like to make them and put them in the fridge and eat them later on.
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I used to eat frozen pizza, but every so often I'd feel a slap on the face, probably from my strega great-grandmother, so I stopped.
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I used to eat frozen pizza, but every so often I'd feel a slap on the face, probably from my strega great-grandmother, so I stopped.
Perhaps it was your italian essence.
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Is this equivalent to Catholic/Jewish guilt? Except this one is an Italian Grandmother. That would scare me more than the other two guilts.
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I used to eat frozen pizza, but every so often I'd feel a slap on the face, probably from my strega great-grandmother, so I stopped.
Perhaps it was your italian essence.
*Italian
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I used to eat frozen pizza, but every so often I'd feel a slap on the face, probably from my strega great-grandmother, so I stopped.
Perhaps it was your italian essence.
*Italian
Eye-talian.
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..........you posted a gif that wasn't our man Robert Carlyle?
Clearly I have taken things too far. My deepest apologies. :(
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I used to eat frozen pizza, but every so often I'd feel a slap on the face, probably from my strega great-grandmother, so I stopped.
This is me every time I eat Digiorio or Dominos. If my ancestors saw me eating that trash, they would be so disappointed.
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They're preparing your ticket to hell. ;)
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We've got a frozen pizza here in Minnesota called Kettle River that makes some really good frozen pizza. It's from up North, I call in the order and they make them and send them down to our store. They do really well
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New Haven Connecticut! DUH!
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If I had to pick a least favorite pizza, it would be Dominos. yuck
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Dominos has really gotten better over the years IMO. The worst chain pizza in my area is Pizza Hut which is a shame because I loved their pizza when I was younger.
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Dominos has really gotten better over the years IMO. The worst chain pizza in my area is Pizza Hut which is a shame because I loved their pizza when I was younger.
Their pizza is still shit, IMO. However, I could eat their cheesy and cinnamon bread for days.
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Whenever I eat Dominos I usually throw up in 30 mins or less ;)
But I will totally agree, the cheesy and cinnamon bread is quite tasty
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Honestly when I order dominos, it is usually for the boneless wings, cheesy bread, or sandwiches. I don't hate the pizza as much as you all do, but I find the other items on the menu to be more desirable.
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I like their wings. I feel like if I order the pizza from there my dead witch great-grandmother will haunt me forever. So...wings it is!
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Late to this thread....I live in the Chicago burbs and there's this deep dish place called Pequod's that is literally the greatest pizza you could ever have on this planet. The sauce they use is unbelievable and I always get double pepperoni cuz it compliments it so well. So yeah, they win for me.
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Ok so I've never had a Chicago style deep dish. What's the crust like because from some of the pictures I've seen it looks like pie crust.
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Ok so I've never had a Chicago style deep dish. What's the crust like because from some of the pictures I've seen it looks like pie crust.
Texturewise, yeah, it's more like a pie crust or biscuit texture (pie crust from dough; not the crumbly kind of pie crust). But flavor wise, it's what you would expect pizza crust to taste like.
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That . . . . that seems odd. I have to try it sometime.
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MANY years ago, Pizza Hut, where I worked at the time, had the "Chicago Dish" pizza. Biscuit-y style crust like bosk describes and a chunky sauce on top of the toppings. The crust alone was fantastic and makes me yearn to try ACTUAL Chicago pizza.
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MANY years ago, Pizza Hut, where I worked at the time, had the "Chicago Dish" pizza. Biscuit-y style crust like bosk describes and a chunky sauce on top of the toppings. The crust alone was fantastic and makes me yearn to try ACTUAL Chicago pizza.
As someone who lived in Chicago for a number of years, I can definitely state that Pizza Hut is essentially the exact same as authentic Chicago style pizza.
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Lol, I wouldn't dare assume that their Chicago-style pizza was at all close to ACTUAL Chicago pizza, but for what it was, it was pretty good.
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Add me to the list of people wanting to try real chicago style pizza. One day
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As much as I truly do love Chicago, I just could never get into Chicago style pizza. I'll always be a NY style guy.
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:justjen I think something's wrong with your keyboard guys, looks like you're all meaning to type "Chicago style casserole"
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MANY years ago, Pizza Hut, where I worked at the time, had the "Chicago Dish" pizza. Biscuit-y style crust like bosk describes and a chunky sauce on top of the toppings. The crust alone was fantastic and makes me yearn to try ACTUAL Chicago pizza.
As someone who lived in Chicago for a number of years, I can definitely state that Pizza Hut is essentially the exact same as authentic Chicago style pizza.
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Did you intentionally choose the Jew in the show? :lol
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I'm not even sure which show that is.
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New Girl
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You don't have to insult him. He was just asking what show it comes from.
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New Girl is hysterical.
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:justjen I think something's wrong with your keyboard guys, looks like you're all meaning to type "Chicago style casserole"
It does look like a casserole :lol
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I was in NYC the other night for the Bon Jovi concert and we grabbed a few slices from a spot near MSG afterwards. I got an eggplant parm slice and holy shit was it beyond delicious. It was perfect honestly, for that type of slice. Or I was just really drunk and that would have made dominos taste beyond delicious. :huh:
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I think you were just overcum with joy from seeing Jon Bon Jovi sweat for two hours.
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I think you were just overcum with joy from seeing Jon Bon Jovi sweat for two hours.
I think it was the shaking of his legs actually
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I had a friend who despised them. He used to call them all sorts of names - Bon Blow Job, Bon BlowMe. Real profound stuff. :lol
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:lol
I was in NYC the other night for the Bon Jovi concert and we grabbed a few slices from a spot near MSG afterwards. I got an eggplant parm slice and holy shit was it beyond delicious. It was perfect honestly, for that type of slice. Or I was just really drunk and that would have made dominos taste beyond delicious. :huh:
I guess I had taken a drunken picture of the pizza through the window when I was going through all my pictures last night
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New Girl is hysterical.
I would watch Zooey Deschanel do her taxes. She is absolutely beautiful.
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Here's a breakfast pizza I made.
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yummmmmm
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New Girl is hysterical.
I would watch Zooey Deschanel do her taxes. She is absolutely beautiful.
She is only reason I kept watching The Happening. She's uniquely attractive. Now a three-way with her and her sister. Damn.
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I dunno how we went from talking about pizza to banging the Deschanel sisters....
......but I'm okay with it.
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Those eyes... :heart
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Here's a breakfast pizza I made.
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Dude, that looks awesome.
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Replace the meat with bell peppers/onions and you have my attention.
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I like making potato skin pizza with Boboli crust, mash potatoes, bacon, cheddar cheese. Sour cream and scallions on the side.
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Replace the meat with bell peppers/onions and you have my attention.
Why...why would anyone ever do that? ???
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Replace the meat with bell peppers/onions and you have my attention.
Why...why would anyone ever do that? ???
If they're a super lame vegetarian like me that likes bell peppers. :biggrin:
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Adami, the wife and I buy jars of roasted red peppers and artichoke hearts and add feta cheese.
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I could easily be a vegetarian if it wasn't for the "no meat" part.
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I could easily be a vegetarian if it wasn't for the "no meat" part.
Mick Shrimpton?
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The best thing about not being a vegetarian is bacon. But the second best thing about it is also bacon.
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As long as there's, you know, bacon and bacon, I can do without the pizza.
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Oh, and speaking of pork products, Natalie Portman.
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With a side of bacon.
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Nah. Too much hog in one place.
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Said never by Natalie.
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Oh, and speaking of pork products, Natalie Portman.
Why do you hate my future wife so much?
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Oh, and speaking of pork products, Natalie Porkman.
FTFY
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It's an verb I approve of.
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That looks pretty good Chino :tup
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Adami, the wife and I buy jars of roasted red peppers and artichoke hearts and add feta cheese.
To do what with? Fumigate the house? Repel rodents? As a cleanser?
(I actually like roasted red peppers and feta cheese - like on salads - but artichoke hearts and I are like Jagger and Richards.
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Does someone make a spinach and artichoke pizza? That sounds good, but don't recall seeing it or eating it before.
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Don't like the feta.
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Adami, the wife and I buy jars of roasted red peppers and artichoke hearts and add feta cheese.
To do what with? Fumigate the house? Repel rodents? As a cleanser?
(I actually like roasted red peppers and feta cheese - like on salads - but artichoke hearts and I are like Jagger and Richards.
It's actually very good!
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Does someone make a spinach and artichoke pizza? That sounds good, but don't recall seeing it or eating it before.
I can't recall having spinach on a pizza before (unless it has been on some veggie pizzas I have had), but no reason to think it wouldn't be fine. The thing is, I don't think you would really be able to taste it. Spinach is such a mild flavor as it is that it would likely get drowned out by everything else on a pizza. Artichoke hearts, on the other hand, are fantastic on pizza. I am a big fan of artichoke heart and pepperoni together.
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Spinach and tomato on a white slice is amazing. I don't recall having spinach before on a normal slice though.
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There's a local pizza shop that makes a white sauce pizza with mushrooms, onion, spinach and bacon. It's amazing.
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I tend to view pizza with white sauce as being inauthentic. Not that it can't be good. But it just feels off, since what I always thought of as "pizza" when I was growing up ALWAYS had red sauce, without exception.
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I've always thought there should be no boundaries to creativity with food. Now there are food we all don't like, that I get but give it a shot at least.
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Does someone make a spinach and artichoke pizza? That sounds good, but don't recall seeing it or eating it before.
I can't recall having spinach on a pizza before (unless it has been on some veggie pizzas I have had), but no reason to think it wouldn't be fine. The thing is, I don't think you would really be able to taste it. Spinach is such a mild flavor as it is that it would likely get drowned out by everything else on a pizza. Artichoke hearts, on the other hand, are fantastic on pizza. I am a big fan of artichoke heart and pepperoni together.
My preferred pizza in Italy was the Capricciosa, which has prosciutto, shrooms, tomato, and artichoke hearts. Ate three or four of them. Good stuff. That style never seemed to catch on over here.
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Spinach and tomato on a white slice is amazing. I don't recall having spinach before on a normal slice though.
I'd prefer basil instead of spinach. Now that's a slice of pizza kickin with flavor.
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John it is amazing. We grow basil at home and do that as well as make homemade pesto.
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Yea I can see that being pretty tasty, btw the spinach on a white slice is sautéed.
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John it is amazing. We grow basil at home and do that as well as make homemade pesto.
Nice. You'll have to mail me a piece. ;) Obviously, basil is a staple in quite a few of my recipes. I love the smell of it, too.
Yea I can see that being pretty tasty, btw the spinach on a white slice is sautéed.
Making me hungry. Pizza for lunch.
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The wife also grows 4 different mints, rosemary, chives, lavender, sage, tyme and oregano.
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My father is the green thumb in the family. I'll probably wind up like that, too.
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I ate about two dozen pizzas in Italy in the past decade, everywhere from Milan to Palermo and they were mostly "meh". One in Venice was exceptionally good, the rest were mediocre, and a couple of them were bad (as in, I only ate a couple of slices to satisfy my hunger and asked for the check). I tried fancy restaurants as well as small family joints. I gave up on the whole thing, these days, I only order pizza in Italy as a last resort.
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I ate about two dozen pizzas in Italy in the past decade, everywhere from Milan to Palermo and they were mostly "meh". One in Venice was exceptionally good, the rest were mediocre, and a couple of them were bad (as in, I only ate a couple of slices to satisfy my hunger and asked for the check). I tried fancy restaurants as well as small family joints. I gave up on the whole thing, these days, I only order pizza in Italy as a last resort.
Do you live in Italy?
I think a lot of it has to do with what you grew up with. Like Chinese food. I grew up with American Chinese food. I doubt I'd care much for authentic stuff. Similarly if I grew up on NY pizza (I wish) there's a good chance that authentic Italian pizza might not do much for me.
I dunno.
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I ate about two dozen pizzas in Italy in the past decade, everywhere from Milan to Palermo and they were mostly "meh". One in Venice was exceptionally good, the rest were mediocre, and a couple of them were bad (as in, I only ate a couple of slices to satisfy my hunger and asked for the check). I tried fancy restaurants as well as small family joints. I gave up on the whole thing, these days, I only order pizza in Italy as a last resort.
Do you live in Italy?
I think a lot of it has to do with what you grew up with. Like Chinese food. I grew up with American Chinese food. I doubt I'd care much for authentic stuff. Similarly if I grew up on NY pizza (I wish) there's a good chance that authentic Italian pizza might not do much for me.
I dunno.
Pizza from Italy is exceedingly different from it's American counterpart. In Italy, it's actually made to be healthy in most cases. A couple of the authentic recipes I've tried were pretty good, but the taste is quite different from what we're used to.
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I ate about two dozen pizzas in Italy in the past decade, everywhere from Milan to Palermo and they were mostly "meh". One in Venice was exceptionally good, the rest were mediocre, and a couple of them were bad (as in, I only ate a couple of slices to satisfy my hunger and asked for the check). I tried fancy restaurants as well as small family joints. I gave up on the whole thing, these days, I only order pizza in Italy as a last resort.
Do you live in Italy?
I think a lot of it has to do with what you grew up with. Like Chinese food. I grew up with American Chinese food. I doubt I'd care much for authentic stuff. Similarly if I grew up on NY pizza (I wish) there's a good chance that authentic Italian pizza might not do much for me.
I dunno.
I don't live in Italy, but I don't subscribe to the idea that you "like the food you grew up with" at all. Make no mistake, I love my parents' cooking and the pizza in my hometown is great, but all my pivotal culinary experiences occurred when I tried a new type of food in a foreign country. The best meal I ever had was grilled feta cheese with grilled eggplant in Greece, in a small family restaurant on the beach. Never had any of those before and it tasted so good that it actually shocked me. It was like an orgasm. The second place goes to the fondue I ate in the French Alps. And so on...
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Oh I didn't mean to imply that we only like what we grew up with. But a lot of times, it plays a big role.
We attach memories and emotions to that food that can't be found elsewhere. It's not always, but it does play some role. I can assure you that there are plenty of foods that you prefer the one you grew up with, only for that reason.
I didn't grow up with Israeli food, but I definitely prefer it. However, I grew up with a certain style of peanut butter sandwiches (breads/peanut butter type, etc) and prefer that to all others for just that reason.
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Oh I didn't mean to imply that we only like what we grew up with. But a lot of times, it plays a big role.
We attach memories and emotions to that food that can't be found elsewhere. It's not always, but it does play some role. I can assure you that there are plenty of foods that you prefer the one you grew up with, only for that reason.
Exactly. There are certain things I eat that bring back some overwhelming memories. It's interesting just how much your senses can be triggered by the simplest things. It's like having eidetic memory.
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Yep. For example, I compare all collard greens to my grandmother's recipe. Most fall short to my taste buds, even though I know there is nothing wrong with them.
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Yea I definitely think there is something to the "food you grew up on" vs. "same dish somewhere else" But I think comparing authentic chinese to American chinese foods is not the same comparison as they really aren't the same dish.
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Yea I definitely think there is something to the "food you grew up on" vs. "same dish somewhere else" But I think comparing authentic chinese to American chinese foods is not the same comparison as they really aren't the same dish.
Well, not all of it. But for a guy like me, who eats fried rice and noodles, it's not a totally unrelated thing.
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We just bought the thin rice noodles and steamed vegetables and added a ginger soy based sauce. It was yummy.
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Yea I definitely think there is something to the "food you grew up on" vs. "same dish somewhere else" But I think comparing authentic chinese to American chinese foods is not the same comparison as they really aren't the same dish.
Well, not all of it. But for a guy like me, who eats fried rice and noodles, it's not a totally unrelated thing.
I guess. I've never actually eaten authentic Chinese so I'm going off what my Chinese coworker tells me, which is that there is no similarity besides rice :lol
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Yea, obviously their fried rice and noodles will be a bit different, but I unlike things like Orange Chicken or whatever, it's just a different way of preparing an actual dish, as opposed to being totally unrelated.
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I ate about two dozen pizzas in Italy in the past decade, everywhere from Milan to Palermo and they were mostly "meh". One in Venice was exceptionally good, the rest were mediocre, and a couple of them were bad (as in, I only ate a couple of slices to satisfy my hunger and asked for the check). I tried fancy restaurants as well as small family joints. I gave up on the whole thing, these days, I only order pizza in Italy as a last resort.
I've heard this same thing more times than I can count.
I do think there is something to the familiarity thing though; I'm from a very eastern European family, and the things I had as a kid - golumpki (stuffed cabbage), pierogi, beef stroganoff - all have a flavor that I go back to when trying it again today.
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I love love love pierogis!
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I love love love pierogis!
They're awesome. I'm glad I grew up in Western Pennsylvania where they're plentiful.
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I love love love pierogis!
They're awesome. I'm glad I grew up in Western Pennsylvania where they're plentiful.
Pierogi plants?
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I love love love pierogis!
They're awesome. I'm glad I grew up in Western Pennsylvania where they're plentiful.
My mother's side of the family is polish so we always ate them growing up, traditonally just the stuff you get at the super market. But there is one spot in Brooklyn near where my father grew up that sells homemade ones from a polish spot that are fantastic. I haven't had them since I was a kid though. I probably have at least 6 boxes of frozen pierogis in my basement freezer though.