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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: KevShmev on March 01, 2017, 05:32:28 PM
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Because the debut would win in a rout, I am excluding it.
Of these six, I have to go with Fair Warning. 31 minutes of hard rocking greatness. :metal :metal
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Fair Warning for sure!! VH2 would be close behind though
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This is tough between II and 1984. 1984 has the hits which I really love from VH, but II has some really good songs. I mean they are all good including the new album. I think Diver Down is the one I can immediately say I wouldn't vote for though.
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Women and Children First. Romeo Delight is the greatest VH song that nobody talks about.
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I've never quite gotten the love for II. It's a solid album, but I think most of the other early Roth-era albums blow it out of the water, except for of course Diver Down.
1984 is easy for some to overrate because of all of the hits, but those hits are all great, and the deep cuts are all good as well.
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Romeo Delight is the greatest VH song that nobody talks about.
I thought that moniker went to Dirty Movies. :biggrin:
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Romeo Delight is the greatest VH song that nobody talks about.
I thought that moniker went to Dirty Movies. :biggrin:
They played both at the last concert I saw them in 2015. Both are great songs and while neither were hits, I think both are generally liked by VH fans.
I'm a bigger fan of Romeo Delight though
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Doesn't matter whether the debut is in the poll or not, Fair Warning wins
Fair Warning
VH
1984
Diver Down
ADKOT
II
Women and Children
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Little Guitars!
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Fair Warning hands down.
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Women and Children First. Romeo Delight is the greatest VH song that nobody talks about.
I'm a big WACF guy. Not only that, Loss Of Control fucking RIPS. It's a bit goofy in parts, but that is one ferocious track.
And the great track no one talks about is In A Simple Rhyme. I freaking LOVE that song.
"Ain't life grand when you finally hit it"
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Romeo Delight is the greatest VH song that nobody talks about.
I thought that moniker went to Dirty Movies. :biggrin:
I've always been disappointed in that song because the girl that was prom queen when I was in school never ended up in porn. And considering how much porn I've viewed throughout the years, I would know for certain!!!
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Women and Children First. Romeo Delight is the greatest VH song that nobody talks about.
I'm a big WACF guy. Not only that, Loss Of Control fucking RIPS. It's a bit goofy in parts, but that is one ferocious track.
And the great track no one talks about is In A Simple Rhyme. I freaking LOVE that song.
"Ain't life grand when you finally hit it"
This so damn much. The amount of pure energy on this album is amazing. It's a band hitting on all cylinders.
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I can't get on board with the Loss of Control love. The "loss of control" parts are a bit too goofy and suck the energy out of what is otherwise definitely a ripping tune. I do love Fools, In a Simple Rhyme and Could This Be Magic?, as far as deep cuts go, on that album.
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Mayday mayday! :lol
I can get past it. Like I said, that instrumental track on that song is ferocious.
Yes, Fools is awesome! :metal
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Come on, Dave, gimme a break.
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One break coming up!
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Today in my travels I came across a black metal band called Devil Lee Rot :lol
As far as the VH albums go that's like asking (if I had more than one) who my favourite child is. I voted 1984 as I think it is often under rated due to the singles being a bit poppy.
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Fair Warning
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I actually voted ADKOT, but it's a very tough decision. 1984 was one of the first albums I ever bought, so it has a lot of sentimental appeal to me (plus Top Jimmy is just the coolest song they ever recorded), but ADKOT is even more sentimental. It was the first album that came out while I was a fan, and I saw them on the tour for the album, it was only the second show I had ever been to, and it's still one of my favorite shows I've seen. Plus I just think it's a really strong album with a lot of variety. It took me a while to come around to a couple songs, like Big River and Beats Workin, but I really came to love the whole album. And I always thought it was unfair how people complained about so many of the songs being reworked old demos.
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Honeybabysweetiedoll :metal
When I saw that title my first thought was :facepalm:
But holy hell, what an awesome track!
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Honeybabysweetiedoll is pretty much a not-much-to-it song, built around a massive guitar riff, but what a riff it is. :metal
Overall, I came around to liking ADKOT quite a bit, although I still think it is back loaded (the handful of songs I don't care for are all early in the running order).
I am not sure I agree that 1984's hits are all poppy. Okay, Jump is, big time, but the rest I don't think really are. Panama and Hot for Teacher are both major guitar rockers, and while some would say I'll Wait is poppy because it is keyboard-driven, I would submit that a song released in 1984 that has a minute long intro is certainly not poppy. ;)
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I was thinking more of the first two singles (Jump and I'll Wait) and was also referring more to a reason I've heard quoted rather than my own thoughts.............even though that wasn't clear. :angel: You could easily argue that Dance The Night Away is more pop than "I'll Wait".
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I hate Loss of Control. Possibly my least favorite Roth tune. Nothing redeemable there to my ears. Also very meh on Fools and as far as singles go Everybody Wants Some was never a favorite. I do dig the back half of that album though. In A Simply Rhyme is awesome.
I was meh on ADKOT at first but I warmed up to it after awhile. Roth's voice was the major hurdle, but Eddie is playing so great. His tone is great on that album. Also revisiting old demos was a genius idea IMO. How a song like She's The Woman never made it on an album back in the day (especially when the albums were so short) will never make sense to me.
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Even including the first album, my choice would still be 1984.
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Fair Warning :metal :metal :metal
but they are all great (and they all have some filler material on them)
My complete ranking would probably look like this:
VH
Fair Warning
1984
A Different Kind Of Truth
Women And Children First
II
Diver Down
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I am not sure I agree that 1984's hits are all poppy. Okay, Jump is, big time, but the rest I don't think really are. Panama and Hot for Teacher are both major guitar rockers, and while some would say I'll Wait is poppy because it is keyboard-driven, I would submit that a song released in 1984 that has a minute long intro is certainly not poppy. ;)
Completely agree with all of this. I'll Wait is a very dark song if you think about the lyrics. Kind of in the same vein as Every Breath You Take from The Police.
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I'll also say that Loss of Control is an underrated gem and is a major ripper!
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Have you seen juniors grades?!?! :metal
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I went with 1984 because it has several of my all time favourite VH songs and generally kicks ass, but Fair Warning is an equally good choice for its consistency and heavier sound. VH II would also be very close, and now that I think about it, ADKOT would too.
WACF however I could do without entirely, and Diver Down only has a couple of tracks to redeem it.
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...WACF however I could do without entirely...
Nah, I couldn't do without Cradle Will Rock, Take Your Whiskey Home, In A Simple Rhyme, even Could This Be Magic and Romeo Delight are good, enjoyable tunes. But I could do without Loss Of Control, Fools and Everybody Wants Some.
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And the great track no one talks about is In A Simple Rhyme. I freaking LOVE that song.
"Ain't life grand when you finally hit it"
Favorite Van Halen song ever. No shit.
I'm not sure I could do a list. And if I did, it would be with the caveat that the spaces in between are LIKETHIS.
Maybe:
Fair Warning
1984
I
ADKOT
Diver Down (I actually LOVE this album, but it's just too short and too spotty)
Women And Children First (even with the greatest VH song ever)
II
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I voted 1984, although my favourite VH song is Dance The Night Away.
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Fair Warning
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This is tough for me. Van Halen I was the first hard rock album I ever bought, and I loved it. But the band kind of lost me after that. I bought every album, but nothing clicked. I always felt like I wanted to like them, but just couldn't find anything to latch onto, and I moved on to other bands like Ozzy, Def Leppard, Scorpions, and so on. 1984 was the first album after that to really hold my attention.
1984 is easy for some to overrate because of all of the hits, but those hits are all great, and the deep cuts are all good as well.
Yeah, exactly. And this far down the road from that album, I can't even remember the deep cuts. But the hits are enough for me to choose that album in this poll.
And continuing with my thoughts from the first paragraph, what really re-ignited my interest in the band was 5150. I felt that Sammy really took the band to another level. 5150 was perfect for me, because I felt the band really upped their songwriting game on all fronts. The rockers REALLY ROCKED, and the pop stuff really had substance to it. And Sammy could carry it all off without it sounding like a schtik. I say this not to go off topic and get into a Dave/Sammy debate, but merely to say that this is a difficult poll because, as much as I loved the first album as both a solid album in and of itself AND as my "gateway" into hard rock, the Roth era of the band REALLY lost me as a fan after that.
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I always had the debut, but never really got into DLR-fronted Van Halen. I got introduced to the band with Sammy, and preferred Sammy (although like I said, I had the debut record). Only in the last few years (when they got back together with DLR), did I buy the rest of the DLR catalog. I was already familiar with the stuff on 1984. Good record, wasn't thrilled with the keys, but good record. The rest of the Roth catalog was just OK to me. Like bosk, it didn't click with me.
To me, Sammy was the voice of Van Halen, and made the band more than just a party metal band. He gave them some serious songwriting. And while the party vibe is always still present, I felt like VH became a bigger and better band with Sammy fronting them. And I still feel that way.
As for answering the original post, I'd say 1984.
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Add me to the group that prefers Sammy, I ended up voting 1984.
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Maybe because I had five years of Dave before, but as much as I love Sam (Standing Hampton is one of my favorite records EVER), I kinda dig the party band vibe of the Dave years. Sam's stuff is good, don't get me wrong (F.U.C.K. and Balance are legendary records on all levels) but there's something just plain FUN about DLR Van Halen. Put the sunroof down, blast out side one of Fair Warning while you're doing 80 on the highway... I just don't find myself doing that to "Finish What You Started" or some of the other Sam songs. I love 'em, but there's a magic to the DLR years for me.
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DLR era is definitely more fun, I agree. I just think Sammy is a better vocalists and 5150 is probably my favorite VH album. I also didn't start listening to VH until after VHIII so not growing up in the era changes perspective.
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DLR era is definitely more fun, I agree. I just think Sammy is a better vocalists and 5150 is probably my favorite VH album. I also didn't start listening to VH until after VHIII so not growing up in the era changes perspective.
Agree with all of that. I saw the OU812 tour and the first reunion tour, and while the latter was more "pure fun", the former was a better "musicians" band. Sam just kills it live day in and day out.
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I got to catch VH on the Sammy reunion tour and DLR on their latest tour. It was cool to get to see both sides live. DLR definitely got the bigger and rowdier crowd which makes sense for the fun part of the music, but the Sammy performance blew DLR away. Not even close. I also got to see Sammy solo band before and thought they were fantastic live.
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IMO, The Full Bug is 95% of the reason to pay any attention to Diver Down.
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Yeah, DD is easily the worst of this lot. I actually went with ADKOT but WACF is a close second. The main appeal of FW for me is Mean Streets and Unchained, so that probably falls below II and 1984 for me.
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All VH albums were short with some filler but it Fair Warning for me. 1984 close behind.
I wouldn't class them as a favourite band because of the above reasons but their best of is as good as anyone's.
Fair Warning made my top 50.
My 2nd favourite VH might just be Balance. That was a great sounding record.
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My 2nd favourite VH might just be Balance. That was a great sounding record.
I had jumped ship by then, and to this day, I have never heard that album.
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My 2nd favourite VH might just be Balance. That was a great sounding record.
I had jumped ship by then, and to this day, I have never heard that album.
Take out the noises between tracks that are supposedly instrumentals and it's their most consistent. Doesn't have the highs of 1984 but certainly the best of the Hagar era for me.
Worth a sample on Spotify Bosk1
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Can't Stop Loving You is a fine song from that album.
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Yea, Balance is really good. I recommend it as well.
Can't Stop Loving You is a fine song from that album.
Yup
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Can't Stop Lovin' you is, for me, easily the worst song on the album. Probably doesn't help that the radio played it INTO THE GROUND at the time.
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I don't even think of the Sammy records as Van Halen. I really do not like his style with them. There is just something special about the Roth era VH that cannot be duplicated.
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I would probably have to go Fair Warning. My only gripe with that album is that I don't think it really closes out strong. Saturday Afternoon in the Park and One Foot Out The Door really don't do anything for me.
I really like when albums close strong, which is why VHII might be behind Fair Warning. Women in Love into Beautiful Girls is just a perfect way to close out that album. Unfortunately, that one stumbles a bit in the middle section in my opinion.
Count me as another one who really enjoys Balance. I wasn't old enough to know if Can't Stop Loving You was overplayed or not, so I still enjoy that song to this day.
I would say overall, the songwriting was more mature and refined on the Sammy albums, which may be why I reach for those first. I really enjoy the F.U.C.K. album, and might even rank it as one of the best if it were not let down by some of the atrocious lyrics on there. I know, I am probably crazy for expecting too much out of my Van Halen lyrics. It's interesting - if it were Dave singing some of those lyrics, I probably wouldn't have as much of a problem, but for those songs and the fact that it is Sammy, it just doesn't come across well.
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I would probably have to go Fair Warning. My only gripe with that album is that I don't think it really closes out strong. Saturday Afternoon in the Park and One Foot Out The Door really don't do anything for me.
I really like when albums close strong, which is why VHII might be behind Fair Warning. Women in Love into Beautiful Girls is just a perfect way to close out that album. Unfortunately, that one stumbles a bit in the middle section in my opinion.
Count me as another one who really enjoys Balance. I wasn't old enough to know if Can't Stop Loving You was overplayed or not, so I still enjoy that song to this day.
I would say overall, the songwriting was more mature and refined on the Sammy albums, which may be why I reach for those first. I really enjoy the F.U.C.K. album, and might even rank it as one of the best if it were not let down by some of the atrocious lyrics on there. I know, I am probably crazy for expecting too much out of my Van Halen lyrics. It's interesting - if it were Dave singing some of those lyrics, I probably wouldn't have as much of a problem, but for those songs and the fact that it is Sammy, it just doesn't come across well.
Agree about the end of Fair Warning.
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I would say overall, the songwriting was more mature and refined on the Sammy albums, which may be why I reach for those first. I really enjoy the F.U.C.K. album, and might even rank it as one of the best if it were not let down by some of the atrocious lyrics on there. I know, I am probably crazy for expecting too much out of my Van Halen lyrics. It's interesting - if it were Dave singing some of those lyrics, I probably wouldn't have as much of a problem, but for those songs and the fact that it is Sammy, it just doesn't come across well.
That pretty much nails EXACTLY how I feel about that album, both in terms of music and lyrics.
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Alright, folks. Lemme get in here. The answer is the 1981 album Fair Warning. Everything from the cover art, to Eddie's dark tones, to their outfits on that tour, to the infamous Oakland Pro-shot show, Fair Warning was THE era of Roth-era Van Halen for me. Although it didn't have as many "hits" as say VH1 or 1984, I think that's what gives it its charm. "Here About It Later", "Sinner's Swing!", "So This is Love?", "Dirty Movies"!? C'MAHN game over, kids. It's an underdog record along with Diver Down (I will defend this record til the day I die). As a collective whole, I feel it's their best effort and one that really conveys a certain feeling and mood that the others don't quite get to for me anyway. There's a certain mystery to the record that still draws me in after all these years. I've been obsessed with this band for years and appreciate every record (yes, even VHIII) for each reason, but if we're talking Roth-era VH, Fair Warning is my choice.
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I would probably have to go Fair Warning. My only gripe with that album is that I don't think it really closes out strong. Saturday Afternoon in the Park and One Foot Out The Door really don't do anything for me.
I really like when albums close strong, which is why VHII might be behind Fair Warning. Women in Love into Beautiful Girls is just a perfect way to close out that album. Unfortunately, that one stumbles a bit in the middle section in my opinion.
Count me as another one who really enjoys Balance. I wasn't old enough to know if Can't Stop Loving You was overplayed or not, so I still enjoy that song to this day.
I would say overall, the songwriting was more mature and refined on the Sammy albums, which may be why I reach for those first. I really enjoy the F.U.C.K. album, and might even rank it as one of the best if it were not let down by some of the atrocious lyrics on there. I know, I am probably crazy for expecting too much out of my Van Halen lyrics. It's interesting - if it were Dave singing some of those lyrics, I probably wouldn't have as much of a problem, but for those songs and the fact that it is Sammy, it just doesn't come across well.
Agree about the end of Fair Warning.
I love One Foot Out The Door - quirky song and one of his best solos on the album.
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IMO, The Full Bug is 95% of the reason to pay any attention to Diver Down.
Secrets is a good song. Very cool groove going on with it.
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IMO, The Full Bug is 95% of the reason to pay any attention to Diver Down.
Secrets is a good song. Very cool groove going on with it.
:metal And another very cool quirky Ed solo.
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I can't say I am surprised that Roth vs Hagar became part of the conversation here; it's inevitable with any extended VH discussion. Personally, I go back and forth on which I like better. Seems like whichever era I am listening to at that moment is the one I prefer. I think the Roth era had higher highs from an album standpoint (I think the debut and Fair Warning are their two best albums), but the Hagar era was really consistent; all four Sammy records beat the snot out of II or Diver Down.
Over time, ...Carnal Knowledge hasn't aged as well as the others for me. To me, it has four killer songs - Poundcake, Judgment Day, Pleasure Dome and Right Now - and then I can take or leave the rest. Balance, like has been said, is really consistent, although nothing on it is among their best.
Back to Roth, while I agree with FreezingPoint about Fair Warning not ending strong (the last two songs are solid, but not that great), the first seven songs are all so great that I can forgive the last two songs not kicking as much ass as the rest.
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Poor Diver Down, I actually enjoy it quite a bit. Secrets and The Full Bug are indeed great songs, and Hang em High is one of my favorite VH tracks. As overplayed as it may be, I still think their version of Pretty Woman is really good too.
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I have no issue with Diver Down either - especially viewed in context (an album thrown together in a matter of weeks after Warner demanded an album to back up the unexpected success of the single). Secrets , Full Bug and Hang Em High are all classic VH and the covers are all passable - cool to have EVH's dad on Big Bad Bill etc......
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Now that you mention it Brent, in the category of "not talked about enough" is The Full Bug. Awesome tune.
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I don't think Diver Down is a bad album, but it's just kind of there. It has a few throwaway tracks and a handful of solid tunes, but nothing great. The best songs on Diver Down would be the worst songs on every other Roth album from the early days, except II.
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Can't Stop Lovin' you is, for me, easily the worst song on the album. Probably doesn't help that the radio played it INTO THE GROUND at the time.
It also doesn't help that it uses one of the most cliche predictable chord progressions of all time.
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You take your robotic whore mouth out of here. :lol
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I lump Can't Stop Lovin' You into the same category as When It's Love. Neither are bad songs, but neither do a lot for me, and I never go out of my way to hear either.
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You take your robotic whore mouth out of here. :lol
Prove me wrong, king. Prove me wrong!
I don't mind the song, but it's definitely nothing special or unique.
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The only cringe worthy part of the song is the "Hey Ray" lyric part.
We know how tumultuous it was between Daniels and Hagar.
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Diver Down is a good, sometimes even very good record, it just isn't as good as a lot of other VH records.
And Roth vs. Sammy, I don't really care, I like both incarnations the same for different reasons and what drew me to them was always Eddie's playing regardless of who is singing. VH1 and FUCK are my favorite VH records and I can't decide which is the better one, it changes on a daily basis.
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The only cringe worthy part of the song is the "Hey Ray" lyric part.
We know how tumultuous it was between Daniels and Hagar.
Random memory - back in the early days of internet forums ( general rock and VH specific) there was a bloke who used to frequent many of them talking about Van Halen/DLR mostly. His forum name was FORD and he used to get into more than his fair share of argy bargy. Had a habit of calling anyone who disagreed with him a "sheep". Anyway.......after many years of noticing him around I found out the origin of his name.
Fuck Off Ray Danniels :lol
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:lol
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I thought the "hey Ray" thing was a nod to Ray Charles and his song with the same name.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQXsM1l2wZ8
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Maybe it was. I took it as Daniels but you may be right Zy.
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I have no issue with Diver Down either - especially viewed in context (an album thrown together in a matter of weeks after Warner demanded an album to back up the unexpected success of the single). Secrets , Full Bug and Hang Em High are all classic VH and the covers are all passable - cool to have EVH's dad on Big Bad Bill etc......
I'm sorry but "Little Guitars" rules too. The only song I don't care for much is "Big Bad Bill".
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Fair Warning, then 1984, then II.
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I have no issue with Diver Down either - especially viewed in context (an album thrown together in a matter of weeks after Warner demanded an album to back up the unexpected success of the single). Secrets , Full Bug and Hang Em High are all classic VH and the covers are all passable - cool to have EVH's dad on Big Bad Bill etc......
I'm sorry but "Little Guitars" rules too. The only song I don't care for much is "Big Bad Bill".
No need to be sorry ;D That was just habit on my part. Back in the day in my band we played the 3 songs I mentioned . I was a VH fanatic (my memorabilia fills a room in the house) and everything had to be done right. I considered getting a "little guitar" made but decided that dropping it from the setlist was easier :lol
Little Guitars is indeed cool too.
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Poor Diver Down, I actually enjoy it quite a bit. Secrets and The Full Bug are indeed great songs, and Hang em High is one of my favorite VH tracks. As overplayed as it may be, I still think their version of Pretty Woman is really good too.
I would agree in that these are my three favorite tracks on Diver Down-I'd even throw "Little Guitars" into the mix. While it's primarily a covers album, they nail those covers and really put the VH spin on them-"WHATGTG?" and "Dancing in the Street" being particularly strong. Like Fair Warning, Diver Down is an underdog record that really evokes a certain feeling in me and always lifts my spirits (I think the airy-poppy production has a lot to do with it). It's a perfect summer album that I feel is more about the overall careless positive vibe vs. being a "hit" record. It's all fun in the sun, baby! It also helps that arguably the greatest Roth-era show (US Festival '83) occurred during the DD era. This era seemed to produce the most pro-shot content (Largo 82, Caracas, and Buenos Aires) so seeing these DD songs performed live really helped me appreciate this record more. I dig it...
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I listened to both Fair Warning and II last night and I am sticking with my initial though that I like II better. Not that Fair Warning is bad, it's great, but II I enjoy more. Light Up The Sky, Dance the Night Away, Bottoms Up, Beautiful Girls are amazing and I enjoy them more than my top four of FW, Mean Streets, Dirty Movies, Unchained, So this is Love.
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Poor Diver Down, I actually enjoy it quite a bit. Secrets and The Full Bug are indeed great songs, and Hang em High is one of my favorite VH tracks. As overplayed as it may be, I still think their version of Pretty Woman is really good too.
I would agree in that these are my three favorite tracks on Diver Down-I'd even throw "Little Guitars" into the mix. While it's primarily a covers album, they nail those covers and really put the VH spin on them-"WHATGTG?" and "Dancing in the Street" being particularly strong. Like Fair Warning, Diver Down is an underdog record that really evokes a certain feeling in me and always lifts my spirits (I think the airy-poppy production has a lot to do with it). It's a perfect summer album that I feel is more about the overall careless positive vibe vs. being a "hit" record. It's all fun in the sun, baby! It also helps that arguably the greatest Roth-era show (US Festival '83) occurred during the DD era. This era seemed to produce the most pro-shot content (Largo 82, Caracas, and Buenos Aires) so seeing these DD songs performed live really helped me appreciate this record more. I dig it...
I would agree with you that Diver Down has more of that happy, sunny feeling to it. Though that hasn't translated into me really buying into the record, it does give it a certain enjoyable flair. What Diver Down lacks for me are those :metal moments that I feel are more prevalent on the other VH albums. Perhaps it is just me though...
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My 2nd favourite VH might just be Balance. That was a great sounding record.
I had jumped ship by then, and to this day, I have never heard that album.
LISTEN TO IT
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I have no issue with Diver Down either - especially viewed in context (an album thrown together in a matter of weeks after Warner demanded an album to back up the unexpected success of the single). Secrets , Full Bug and Hang Em High are all classic VH and the covers are all passable - cool to have EVH's dad on Big Bad Bill etc......
I'm sorry but "Little Guitars" rules too. The only song I don't care for much is "Big Bad Bill".
No need to be sorry ;D That was just habit on my part. Back in the day in my band we played the 3 songs I mentioned . I was a VH fanatic (my memorabilia fills a room in the house) and everything had to be done right. I considered getting a "little guitar" made but decided that dropping it from the setlist was easier :lol
Little Guitars is indeed cool too.
I love Big Bad Will. And Happy Trails. Could This Be Magic. All better than most of the other songs on those albums. :)
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I'm sorry but "Little Guitars" rules too.
I think that is the best song on Diver Down. That little groove during the chorus is one of the coolest things AVH has ever played.
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I'm sorry but "Little Guitars" rules too.
I think that is the best song on Diver Down. That little groove during the chorus is one of the coolest things AVH has ever played.
I agree
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However, the one AVH moment that is impossible not to air drum is the drum roll in the chorus of Sinner's Swing. He does this bad ass drum roll in the chorus right after the guitar solo (after the second time they sing the main line). Right before the 2-minute mark. :metal :metal
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Little Guitars is one of the all time best VH tunes. Also love Hang Em High and Secrets. I think Diver Down is a solid album. Short, but it has a lot of gems. Also the covers are great, VH was always one of the best cover bands.
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I always thought Alex Van Halen was excellent and extremely underrated.
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His over reliance on cymbals in the 90s annoyed the crap out of me - see: the chorus of Don't Tell Me (What Love Can Do) - but he is very good. Not one of the best ever or anything, but certainly an above average rock drummer.
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Well, if we're just talking the Roth era albums, I enjoyed his drumming immensely.
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I always thought Alex Van Halen was excellent and extremely underrated.
Yea I think he gets over shadowed by his brother and the singers with their drama, he's very good.
I think Diver Down is a solid album.
Yea, I had said it was easily my least favorite of the bunch, but it's still a solid album. I actually only have one VH album I think is not so great and that's OU812, but then again I never really listened to III.
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The worst is probably III, but even that album has its moments. I think Cherone got a bad deal in VH, would've liked to see what they would've done next.
BTW Balance is one of those albums I wish I liked more. It has a great vibe and one of Eddie's best guitar tones. Unfortunately some of the songs are really bad. The first four songs are perfection though.
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III is not so bad.
(runs for cover)
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III nended a real producer to reign in Eddie a bit. My cousin and I argue about that album all the time. Then we laugh our asses off talking about doing a podcast on it.
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I liked III a lot when it first came out, but it has not aged well. I still think Once is a really good tune, and just about every other song has some redeeming qualities, but it just has a clunky feeling overall and some odd melodies. And having Cherone sing in that raspy tone, which almost made him sound like a Sammy Hagar wannabe, did not help the cause. The failure of that album and the short-lived Cherone era falls squarely on the shoulders of Edward Van Halen. At least the show we saw on that tout was great, as it featured a lot of songs from every era (which never happens with the other two singers).
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But he always sang with some raspy tone. That's his style. Slightly dirty for his rock voice.
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But he always sang with some raspy tone. That's his style. Slightly dirty for his rock voice.
Some, yes. but his raspy tone was the dominant one on VHIII. I remember playing the CD in my car with a friend who liked VH, but had no idea who Cherone really was, and after a few songs, he was like, "I thought you said this guy was a great singer?" I retorted, "He normally is; not sure why he's trying so hard to sound like Sammy." That album just doesn't play to his strengths as a vocalist.
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He's very diverse. It just fit with the style of the album which I heard him use plenty times in Extreme. Even live when I saw them in both bands.
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He definitely sang differently in Van Halen. He was going for a raspier tone in Waiting For the Punchline, but with VH he was using a higher register more to emulate Sammy.
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I never thought that III was bad, it just wasn't as good as other VH records for various already stated reasons. And the tour was great and you got the best of both worlds with Cherone singing Roth and Hagar tunes. Would've liked to see where it could go if they made another record with Cherone. And raspy singing or not, he was not the reason that III got a bad reputation.
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I went with Fair Warning, tough I consider that and WaCF somewhat interchangeable. Both stellar albums not too far apart.
And I agree with Mosh. VH1 doesn't when in a route. It'd take away some of the FW and 1984 votes, and it might even win, but it's a good game, I think.
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Thing with Van Halen is that they have a fairly diverse set of fans. The guitar fans probably lean toward the first album, but then you have fans who got into them with 1984 and prefer their poppier side. Then Fair Warning and WaCF are both really popular among the hardcore fans. I'd actually be really surprised if VH1 won by more than a slim margin.
I never thought that III was bad, it just wasn't as good as other VH records for various already stated reasons. And the tour was great and you got the best of both worlds with Cherone singing Roth and Hagar tunes. Would've liked to see where it could go if they made another record with Cherone. And raspy singing or not, he was not the reason that III got a bad reputation.
Agreed with all of this. If anything, III is better for having Cherone on it. I actually wish they got to make another album. At least would've been better than the near 15 year drought that occurred after that album.
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I agree that it is a shame that Cherone didn't get a second album, but he had no chance to succeed. EVH had already gone full tilt into prick mode (he was already phasing Michael Anthony out), and fans didn't want anybody but Hagar or Roth as the singer. No one could have succeeded as Van Halen's 3rd lead singer. Hence, the forced reunion with Hagar years later to tour, and then them reuniting with Roth again, even though he and EVH obviously hate each other.
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At least the show we saw on that tout was great, as it featured a lot of songs from every era (which never happens with the other two singers).
That's pretty cool and I didn't know that. I'm not sure how anyone else feels, but I really liked Sammy's vocals on the DLR songs from their live albums and seeing it once it person. Has DLR ever done any Sammy song? :lol I'm assuming most wouldn't want him to
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Yeah it was a great tour.
Except that opener Kenny Wayne Sheppard. Boring as all hell.
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I don't think Roth has ever sang a Van Hagar song live.
And I am not going to give Hagar too much credit for the Roth songs he did, considering it was usually only 2-3 a show (Jump, Panama and maybe one other).
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Van Halen act like the Sammy Hagar era never happened. Roth would never sing a VH song he wasn't involved with. Ego is too big for him to admit that they had hits without him in the band.
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I don't think Roth has ever sang a Van Hagar song live.
And I am not going to give Hagar too much credit for the Roth songs he did, considering it was usually only 2-3 a show (Jump, Panama and maybe one other).
Unchained was awesome with him. And Mike would sing Somebody Get Me a Doctor which I'd rather Sammy do.
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Van Halen act like the Sammy Hagar era never happened. Roth would never sing a VH song he wasn't involved with. Ego is too big for him to admit that they had hits without him in the band.
The number of big egos in the rock genre is too high a number to count, but Roth is near the top of the list of guys whose ego greatly surpasses his talent.
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Mayday mayday! :lol
You will appreciate the fact that I never noticed that in Loss of Control, but now I hear it and chuckle every time (I've listen to W&CF a few times this week :hat). :lol :lol
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I went to make a Roth era compilation CD for the car and I realized I didn't have Diver Down on CD. That has been fixed as it arrived today.
Even though I think I knew it was relatively weak compared to the others, I played the hell out of that tape when it came out. Very much enjoyed it.
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Dude, your I pod is the way to go. You don't play it in your car?
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Dude, your I pod is the way to go. You don't play it in your car?
I only use my iPod on long vacation trips. I usually don't like to drive around with headphones on.
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I would suggest to get an aftermarket cd player that has a USB port and you can play your I pod. It's worth it. Playlists take minutes and no extra cds.
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I would suggest to get an aftermarket cd player that has a USB port
What is that?
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I bought a USB blu tooth adapter for the AUX port on my car since it doesn't have built in blu tooth. No headphones, no cables, just turn on the adapter when I get in my car and it links usually right away to my phone and there are play/forward/backward buttons on the adapter. Typically just hitting the play button will play my music from my phone from wherever I left off. I bring the adapter with me when I travel for my rental cars too so I can always just use my phone's music while driving. An easier solution than buying a new head unit or ripping CDs. The adapter was like 10 bucks too on amazon.
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My car doesn't have an aux port.
Making CD's is fun!
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I would suggest to get an aftermarket cd player that has a USB port
What is that?
Go to best buy and get a new cd player installed that has a built in USB port. Seriously. You will love it.
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My van has 206k on it. Hopefully the next vehicle has an aux port.
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My car doesn't have an aux port.
Making CD's is fun!
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Don't worry Tim, I'm still with you with CD's
And Diver Down is clearly the worst of the 7 DLR albums, but it's still very good and has some pure gems on it. I don't think I've ever heard someone say it was their favorite DLR album, but it wouldn't surprise me if it is
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CDRs for the car is way better. I never know what I am going to want to listen to from one day to the next, and what if I suddenly want to listen to x-band, but oh shit, I didn't put them on my phone or iPod that day? I never have that problem.
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I have a 160gb I pod. I don't have that problem.
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I have an answer for that, too:
I don't feel like wrecking my car. :lol :lol
Playing around on your iPod or phone when driving is dangerous, but I never have that problem with CDs. I like to bounce around at times from song to song, and since my car CD player has buttons on the steering wheel, I can do just that by just moving one finger a few inches while never taking my eyes off the road.
Top that. :lol :biggrin:
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I have an answer for that, too:
I don't feel like wrecking my car. :lol :lol
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Thinking the same thing.
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what if I suddenly want to listen to x-band, but oh shit, I didn't put them on my phone or iPod that day? I never have that problem.
I don't have that problem either. I have a 64GB microSD card in my phone dedicated to music. Sure if a new song isn't available yet I won't have it, but I keep most of my library on there and update it regularly with new music.
I remember using those cassette tapes to connect a CD player to the tape deck in a car. And then when MP3 CDs started I bought a head unit that could play those so I could fit an entire or most of a bands discography onto one CD. Then I went to using an MP3 player plugged into the AUX port, and eventually that just merged with my phone. Finally just last year I went the blu tooth route described before. My next evolution is to buy a car that has blu tooth built in and maybe eventually increase my sdcard on my phone to 128GB. Also new dashes in cars have apple/android play that sort of allows you to use your phone through the dash with a touch screen.
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I remember using those cassette tapes to connect a CD player to the tape deck in a car.
I had one of those. Damn thing kept changing sides clicking back and forth.
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By making a Playlist that takes 2 minutes at home and I'm on the road not playing with my I pod.
YOU OLD BASTARDS!! :lol
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By making a Playlist that takes 2 minutes at home and I'm on the road not playing with my I pod.
And what if you decide you want to listen to something that you didn't put on your playlist that day?
Also new dashes in cars have apple/android play that sort of allows you to use your phone through the dash with a touch screen.
God bless technology. :tup :tup
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Funny so your ok to pull out another CD and put it in? It's the same.
Btw my wife's car has the touch screen which is awesome. I don't have that but I will never go without Bluetooth or a tough screen ever agsin.
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It's more fun filling the bin in my car with CDs until there's about 30 of them spilling all over the f'n place. :lol
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:lol
I remember those days. Making a Playlist is so damn easy and fun with my I pod. I love making them daily!
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I never used 8 tracks in a car though, or ever actually.
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Funny so your ok to pull out another CD and put it in? It's the same.
Huh? I don't do it when driving. I have probably 100+ CDRs in my car that I made, all ready at a moment's notice to be played. For example, the impetus for this thread was my recent VH listening binge, when started when a friend randomly texted me something about one of their songs one day at work, we texted a little about them, and by the time I got in my car to go home, I wanted to listen to them, and presto, I put the CD in and away I went, instead of thinking, "Shoot, they aren't on my iPod today."
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I never used 8 tracks in a car though, or ever actually.
Shit I remember these! :lol WTF??
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/db/b9/81/dbb981ef5dbf71ba96a4e552185baec8.jpg)
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I just scroll to the album before I put it in drive and more ready to go.
I love it because I don't have to carry anything but the I pod and I have all my music with me. I can make a Playlist on the fly with it as well. No need to hook it up to the computer.
Seriously guys. Do some homework. It's really worth it.
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I never used 8 tracks in a car though, or ever actually.
Shit I remember these! :lol WTF??
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/db/b9/81/dbb981ef5dbf71ba96a4e552185baec8.jpg)
Hemispheres cut in half. NOOOOOOOOOO!
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After all these years, I still remember where many tracks break.
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Crazy. I remember some as well.
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And I came here thinking it was the Van Halen thread, silly me :facepalm: