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General => General Music Discussion => Topic started by: KevShmev on February 24, 2017, 06:37:18 PM
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It's never easy to tip your cap to a band or artist on a career well done and then move away from them while they are still an active band, but sometimes you just know that the downhill slide has begun and it's been to get off on the way down instead of forcing a multitude of bad albums on yourself praying for a return to form that you just know is never coming.
Has anyone ever pulled this off? I mean quitting a band cold turkey and not bothering to check anything new out anymore.
I think I am about at that point with the Flaming Lips, after two now blah releases in a row (The Terror and Oczy Mlody). It's clear as day that their creative peak is long gone, especially since the last show we saw of theirs wasn't nearly as good as the two we had seen prior.
I pulled it off successfully with Queensryche. Hear in the Now Frontier was the start of the slide, but I still stuck it out and tried Q2K, which wasn't any better, so I jumped ship and I still to this day have barely heard anything new they did with Geoff Tate in the band after Q2K (maybe a few songs I eventually checked out on YT and realized they were crap).
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I've quit Rush a couple of times! :lol
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Dunno if I can think of any. I'm always curious when a band I used to be fond of puts something out. I'll try it at least once usually.
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i mean i haven't gone and gotten the new tesseract, periphery, or opeth albums yet and those have all been out for a while
could've. didn't.
i probably will not buy another dream theater album either.
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Opeth, yeah. It seems like Mikael's not really interested in making the kind of music I enjoy, which is fine, but there's really no need for me to check out their albums anymore.
Can't really think of any others at the moment.
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Iced Earth, kind of.
I'll still check out their new stuff, but the odds of me liking it are slim to Zook.
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Iced Earth, kind of.
I'll still check out their new stuff, but the odds of me liking it are slim to Zook.
Yea this one for me too. I'll listen to each album but they haven't made a half decent album in a really long time.
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Hmmm, the one that immediately comes to mind is Firewind.
There might be others, but I got to a point to them where I don't pay any interest whatsoever after a few really mediocre releases.
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Even though they're my favorite band, I almost bailed on PoS. If In the Passing Light of Day wasn't as god damn great as it was, I'd be gone.
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Murder By Death. The moment their singer started sounding like Johnny Cash and they got rid of the piano I said goodbye sans for the 1 all-instrumental soundtrack "Finch."
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BE killed Pain of Salvation for me. I've barely listened to them since then even though I was a huge fan before.
Ghost Reveries killed Opeth for me as well, though I still listen to them occasionally.
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BE killed Pain of Salvation for me. I've barely listened to them since then even though I was a huge fan before.
Ghost Reveries killed Opeth for me as well, though I still listen to them occasionally.
ghost reveries is the best opeth album though :loser:
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BE killed Pain of Salvation for me. I've barely listened to them since then even though I was a huge fan before.
Ghost Reveries killed Opeth for me as well, though I still listen to them occasionally.
Weird, Ghost Reveries is the only Opeth Album I regularly listen to.
And BE is my 3rd fav PoS album, though I am probably alone in that one.
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To clarify, I don't mean you stop listening to the stuff you still love; I just meant you stop checking out new stuff they release.
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Godsmack - IV
Not a good album at all. Never checked out their stuff after.
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BE killed Pain of Salvation for me. I've barely listened to them since then even though I was a huge fan before.
Same here. I really lost interest after that. The newest one is surprisingly good, though.
I've pretty much jumped ship with DT. I SHOULD have jumped ship somewhere between Train of Thought and Systematic Chaos, but I liked their earlier stuff so much that they kept stringing me along. But I've basically ignored the last two albums.
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The Offspring. Splinter was pretty decent, but a clear sign of the end. Everything after has been terrible.
I'll second Godsmack. Although I've found a few good tracks among their post Faceless albums, they've generally been pretty shitty. They reached their peak with Faceless, then tripped and fell off the mountain, hitting a soft patch now and then.
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Iced Earth, kind of.
I'll still check out their new stuff, but the odds of me liking it are slim to Zook.
LOL
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Have done this with some of my all time favourites and rarely regretted it.
Queensryche - interest waned at Promised Land and gave up at HITNF. Only got back on board when Tater got booted. Didn't miss much from what I can tell.
DT - basically dropped off after FII and never really got properly back on board until the style of DT I love returned with ADTOE. I have bought all of the albums eventually , but never really listen to anything much outside of the first 3 , ADTOE and DT12.
Ozzy - interest waned at Ozzmosis and dropped off at Down To Earth. No regrets there either from what I have heard.
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...Dream Theater for me. I haven't completely written them off. I never got into the self-titled, but I just considered that a fluke for me. And then The Astonishing came out, and after one listen I never went back to it. But I don't count that as a strike because it wasn't *just* an album, it was a concept album with media that expanded beyond the music into ARG games and lore and such. If the next album doesn't grab me though, then that might be it. I didn't really like BCaSL and loved ADToE, so I know the current line-up has it in them to put out great stuff. Just hope I get to hear another album like that in the future.
I suppose Incubus too. It was a long gap between the 2006 album and the 2011 one, and the 2011 album was so damn boring I wondered if the band was just losing it's creative spark as the guys approached their late 30s/early 40s. I'll give the new album a shot though.
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Bon Jovi. Very big fan up to These Days and then I forgot to buy their next album. Never bought another album since.
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Bon Jovi. Very big fan up to These Days and then I forgot to buy their next album. Never bought another album since.
Ditto for them too . I dropped off after Keep The Faith though and have never regretted that.
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I'll third Bon Jovi. So many bands like that have devolved into boring dad rock. I'd add Goo Goo Dolls to that pile. :lol
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I'm pretty bad at jumping ship completely tbh :lol Even when bands like In Flames have gone down the gutter, I've listened to their new albums out of morbid curiosity, though I won't buy them.
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Judging from their recent couple of albums (especially TA) DT could sadly be in this category for me. I'll give 'em another shot with the next one, but I've moved on to other bands and genres.
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Not much interest in Ozzy after Ozzmosis
Haven't been checking out newer Iced Earth either
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...Dream Theater for me. I haven't completely written them off. I never got into the self-titled, but I just considered that a fluke for me. And then The Astonishing came out, and after one listen I never went back to it. But I don't count that as a strike because it wasn't *just* an album, it was a concept album with media that expanded beyond the music into ARG games and lore and such. If the next album doesn't grab me though, then that might be it. I didn't really like BCaSL and loved ADToE, so I know the current line-up has it in them to put out great stuff. Just hope I get to hear another album like that in the future.
I've been done since Black Clouds. They went from being my favorite band to being almost completely ignored.
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If it's a band that I've gotten in to based on their new/recent material, I'll almost always keep up with what they release out of interest. If the last 3 DT albums haven't stopped me, I don't think anything will.
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Kind of just did this with Iron Maiden and Metallica with their latest releases
Weirdly enough, Iron Maiden's reunion era has most of my favourite songs and albums, but I could never sit through that Book of Souls album, found it really boring. Maybe I'll give their next one (if this happens) a try but I seriously doubt it.
I've put on some of the Hardwired to Self Destruct songs on youtube but same for them, no interest in finishing the album as there was simply not enough to like. Similarly, Death Magnetic is one of my favourite Metallica releases, though that release has been a pretty long time ago, seems like they kind of moved away from that style.
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Rush for me after Roll The Bones. Haven't liked a single song they did after that until Clockwork Angels.
Queensryche after Promised Land.
Bon Jovi after New Jersey really, though I still kept buying albums until they went country.
Every 80s hair metal band that tried to go grunge. Yuk.
Guns n Roses after Appetite. I'd come to hate Axl by the time UYIs came out. Still don't own them or Chinese Democracy.
Def Leppard after Adrenalize. Again I kept buying albums hoping it would change but every album was worse than the last.
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Judging from their recent couple of albums (especially TA) DT could sadly be in this category for me. I'll give 'em another shot with the next one, but I've moved on to other bands and genres.
I agree unfortunately..
Haven't listened to the self titled since 2014, and while i appreciated their efforts with the latest, it never resonated with me unlike their old albums.
I also agree with others about: Iced Earth, Def Leppard, Queensryche and In Flames.
I'd like to add: Melodic Death Metal in general. Years ago i listened nothing but MDM, but i just got sick of the style eventually. I still listen to Soilwork occasionally, and always check their new stuff.
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I saw the thread title and immediately knew it was KevShmev. :biggrin:
I'm not sure about this, because I sort of gave up on certain bands in terms of not expecting return to form or a pleasant surprise, but I still check out the albums once they're out. Bands like Megadeth, Gamma Ray and Symphony X are not very likely to release anything I'll be blown away by, but I check out the new stuff nevertheless. Just to see what they're up to. I'm not sure why I do it. Maybe I pick apart a song or two I enjoy. Or maybe it's the need to having heard the entire discography and still be familiar with the current works.
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Judging from their recent couple of albums (especially TA) DT could sadly be in this category for me. I'll give 'em another shot with the next one, but I've moved on to other bands and genres.
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80s bands that couldn't keep up their mastery of the 80s (and early 90s) output - Bon Jovi and Def as mentioned, but I'll also throw in Whitesnake, Tesla, Mr. Big and a handful of other B and C list bands.
Metallica for me - 80s = excellent; s/t was great; I liked most of Load. Nothing since has had any appeal.
U2... Rattle & Hum was mediocre; Achtung Baby was 1/2 killer, 1/2 filler; They totally lost me at Zooropa (other than a few tracks here and there)
Kiss... lost interest in them after Hot in the Shade
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I don't find this too difficult now that we have streaming services, which make it very easy to check out a new album with zero commitment or cost (beyond the streaming subscription I'm paying anyway). So there are definitely bands that I've lost interest in. But if I'm still a fan, even if their recent output doesn't interest me anymore then I'll normally still check out a new album at least once.
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There was a time after the album "Yield" that I lost interest in Pearl Jam. The last 3 albums were so good that I'm back on the PJ Train.
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I don't find this too difficult now that we have streaming services, which make it very easy to check out a new album with zero commitment or cost (beyond the streaming subscription I'm paying anyway). So there are definitely bands that I've lost interest in. But if I'm still a fan, even if their recent output doesn't interest me anymore then I'll normally still check out a new album at least once.
Okay, but if you check their new album out for free, then that goes against the idea behind this thread.
To reiterate, when I say jumping ship, I don't mean losing interest, but still checking stuff out; I mean losing interest to where you stop listening to almost anything new (barring hearing something on the radio, TV, etc.).
In that regard, streaming services makes it much harder to jump ship on a band completely, since it's pretty easy now to check out their new stuff for free somewhere, while back in the day, it was buy the CD to hear it or you probably hear it anywhere.
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For me it just kinda happens if there has been enough duds to warrant me losing interest. The amount may be different. For example with Opeth, while I enjoyed PC, I would call the last 3 albums duds and I don't have faith in them making a truly great album again. With a band like Dredg, it only took Chuckles & Mr Squeezy to kill off my interest almost entirely. I've actually had a hard time going back to their good albums because Chuckles left a bad taste in my mouth.
But I'm also a fairly positive person in the sense that I hope bands can turn it around. I didn't love anything PoS put out since BE but I had faith in their most recent album and it delivered. I also haven't loved a Steven Wilson album since GFD (was kinda meh towards the last two) but I'm still interested to see what he does.
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Most bands I used to listen to when I was younger. Disturbed, Korn, Godsmack. Most of those types of bands.
Mudvayne was like that for me when they released The New Game. Their self-titled helped redeem them but then they never toured for it or anything and that just sucked, one of my favorite bands from the "nu-metal" scene because their only setback was the guitarist, the bass and drums were top notch musicianship.
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I put anything Neal Morse related in that list. Mind you, I was absolutely gaga about Spock's Beard. After he left, I checked out his first three solo albums, and then called it quits. He is a very consistent songwriter, which however means that if you no longer connect with him, you're out for good.
Even worse, he is also very dominant, and so he tends to eventually usurp side projects he is in. Happened with FC, with Transatlantic, and of course NMB.
Other than that, yeah, of course DT to some degree. I mean, even though I was entirely on board with MM, with the 20/20 hindsight we have now, his approach to drumming cemented them into the "bigger, faster" mindset, whereas maybe a different drummer would have allowed them to start pivoting towards a more maintainable style. The way it is now, their shows become ever more constructed and rigid in order to cover up the clear signs of age. They play slower, tuned down, with backup voices ... It feels a bit like a race car that is being held together by an increasing amount of duct tape.
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I was absolutely gaga about Spock's Beard.
What are some of your favorite songs? I'm trying to get into them, but I haven't really found any good hooks yet.
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Okay, but if you check their new album out for free, then that goes against the idea behind this thread.
To reiterate, when I say jumping ship, I don't mean losing interest, but still checking stuff out; I mean losing interest to where you stop listening to almost anything new (barring hearing something on the radio, TV, etc.).
In that regard, streaming services makes it much harder to jump ship on a band completely, since it's pretty easy now to check out their new stuff for free somewhere, while back in the day, it was buy the CD to hear it or you probably hear it anywhere.
The only time I will jump ship is if I completely lose interest in the band's sound/style of music. That may not even be a result of bad albums or whatever. Iced Earth could put out an album that every fan says is as good as Night of the Stormrider but I wouldn't even bother checking it out.
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Definitely Disturbed.
I love their first two albums, but everything after that just sounds the same. I can't tell one song from another most of the time.
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I put anything Neal Morse related in that list. Mind you, I was absolutely gaga about Spock's Beard. After he left, I checked out his first three solo albums, and then called it quits. He is a very consistent songwriter, which however means that if you no longer connect with him, you're out for good.
Even worse, he is also very dominant, and so he tends to eventually usurp side projects he is in. Happened with FC, with Transatlantic, and of course NMB.
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The first Transatlantic album was the most Neal-dominated CD of the four, easily. I cannot recall the percentages of who did what on the fourth album, but the second and third were very much full band efforts.
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I dunno, I listen to Marillion, The Flower Kings, and of course many Portnoy projects and Transatlantic is definitely Morse dominated.
Most bands I used to listen to when I was younger. Disturbed, Korn, Godsmack. Most of those types of bands.
I bet a lot of people who were young during that time can relate to this. Linkin Park is one of those for me. Followed their first two albums, was meh on the third one and pretty much grew out of that type of music. I haven't listened to anything they've done since.
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I don't find this too difficult now that we have streaming services, which make it very easy to check out a new album with zero commitment or cost (beyond the streaming subscription I'm paying anyway). So there are definitely bands that I've lost interest in. But if I'm still a fan, even if their recent output doesn't interest me anymore then I'll normally still check out a new album at least once.
Okay, but if you check their new album out for free, then that goes against the idea behind this thread.
To reiterate, when I say jumping ship, I don't mean losing interest, but still checking stuff out; I mean losing interest to where you stop listening to almost anything new (barring hearing something on the radio, TV, etc.).
In that regard, streaming services makes it much harder to jump ship on a band completely, since it's pretty easy now to check out their new stuff for free somewhere, while back in the day, it was buy the CD to hear it or you probably hear it anywhere.
Indeed, which I suppose was the point I was making. As others have suggested, there's no real need to go completely cold turkey unless you've gone off a band's style overall, even though you may still dig older albums for whatever reason (or of course if a band has drastically changed style).
Obviously it's different if you've (the general you, not you personally) totally lost interest in a band. But I struggle a bit with the idea of still being a big fan, say of the older albums, but not at some point checking out new albums (or parts of albums) once just to see what they're like, given the availability of streaming, Youtube, etc. Unless, as I say, they've completely changed their style and you know it won't interest you anymore.
I put anything Neal Morse related in that list. Mind you, I was absolutely gaga about Spock's Beard. After he left, I checked out his first three solo albums, and then called it quits. He is a very consistent songwriter, which however means that if you no longer connect with him, you're out for good.
Even worse, he is also very dominant, and so he tends to eventually usurp side projects he is in. Happened with FC, with Transatlantic, and of course NMB.
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The first Transatlantic album was the most Neal-dominated CD of the four, easily. I cannot recall the percentages of who did what on the fourth album, but the second and third were very much full band efforts.
Agreed, and I remember having this discussion when The Whirlwind came out and Rumby had this assumption that anything that sounded even vaguely Neal-y must have come from him. Whereas the other members all come from bands that have some similar stylings (ok MP not so much) and so some sections sound like Neal just because he's the one singing.
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I dunno, I listen to Marillion, The Flower Kings, and of course many Portnoy projects and Transatlantic is definitely Morse dominated.
Okay. but Rumbo's point was that it got more Morse-dominated as time went on, when it reality it was the opposite. Even if TA was Morse-dominated on 2nd, 33rd and 4th albums (which the 3rd certainly was not), the 1st is still THE most Morse-dominated record.
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Nah, sorry. As someone who was both a big fan of SB, and TFK, I know exactly when I hear something by Neal or Roine. And especially Neal has a very specific bag of tricks that he draws from. In fact, I would hope you guys give me a bit more credit than just assuming that whenever Neal sings something, I think it must have been written by him.
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The thing with Transatlantic for me is that even though Roine contributes a lot (I can also mostly tell what parts were written by whom) it's still going through the Neal Morse filter. Watch any Transatlantic documentary and it's obvious that Neal Morse and Mike Portnoy are the masterminds of putting the whole thing together. The way those epics are put together is very much in the typical Morse style.
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In that regard, streaming services makes it much harder to jump ship on a band completely, since it's pretty easy now to check out their new stuff for free somewhere, while back in the day, it was buy the CD to hear it or you probably hear it anywhere.
Indeed, which I suppose was the point I was making. As others have suggested, there's no real need to go completely cold turkey unless you've gone off a band's style overall, even though you may still dig older albums for whatever reason (or of course if a band has drastically changed style).
Obviously it's different if you've (the general you, not you personally) totally lost interest in a band. But I struggle a bit with the idea of still being a big fan, say of the older albums, but not at some point checking out new albums (or parts of albums) once just to see what they're like, given the availability of streaming, Youtube, etc. Unless, as I say, they've completely changed their style and you know it won't interest you anymore.
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Right. That is why I said it is much more difficult to jump ship nowadays and never listen to anything new. Too much easy access out there to hear the stuff for free to not let curiosity get the best of you at some point.
I remember having this discussion when The Whirlwind came out and Rumby had this assumption that anything that sounded even vaguely Neal-y must have come from him. Whereas the other members all come from bands that have some similar stylings (ok MP not so much) and so some sections sound like Neal just because he's the one singing.
Yep, I remember that, as well. I think the lyrics being fairly spiritual gave the impression that the Whirlwind was another Neal + friends effort, but nope. The others are all over that record.
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Meh. If that's what you guys want to believe, that I can't distinguish a chord progression from a piece of lyrics, whatevs.
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The thing with Transatlantic for me is that even though Roine contributes a lot (I can also mostly tell what parts were written by whom) it's still going through the Neal Morse filter. Watch any Transatlantic documentary and it's obvious that Neal Morse and Mike Portnoy are the masterminds of putting the whole thing together. The way those epics are put together is very much in the typical Morse style.
I would submit that just because the structure is similar doesn't mean the pieces are the same. To use another example, it's like being in a restaurant and having a few chefs and then the alley coordinator (the person who arranges the food on the plate in a specific way). Just because Transatlantic always arranges the food in the way Neal likes it doesn't mean he cooked it all, if you catch my drift.
Also, I don't always put a ton of stock into the making of's release by Neal and/or Portnoy, since they tend to dominate screen time in them (see: camera hogs :lol). Heck, watch the making of for the new NMB album and you'd think it was just another Neal solo record, since he dominates the screen time, but that was not the case. Heck, you could watch that making of and come away having no clue that Bill was the one who wrote The Ways of a Fool (which Portnoy later revealed in that YT live thing he did).
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Meh. If that's what you guys want to believe, that I can't distinguish a chord progression from a piece of lyrics, whatevs.
No one said that, but you are arguing against what the band themselves have said.
You said Transatlantic was another band that Neal usurped and dominated more as time went on.
The band themselves have said that SMPTe was very Neal-dominated, but that every record since has been more of a full band effort.
We can quibble about this song or that song, but your assertion is a complete contradiction with facts laid out by the band.
Do you think the band was pulling our leg with they talked about how much they all contributed to the Whirlwind?
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Come oooonnnnn, Kev. They said the same thing about NMB. Are you telling me that band isn't dominated by Neal?
That stuff is just marketing spin, to make it look like one happy family effort. The proof is in the pudding, that is in the music.
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Come oooonnnnn, Kev. They said the same thing about NMB. Are you telling me that band isn't dominated by Neal?
That stuff is just marketing spin. The proof is in the pudding, that is in the music.
I never said that the band isn't dominated by Neal.
You are moving the goal posts.
I responded to your point, which was that Neal took more control and dominated it more over time.
Their first album was the MOST Neal-dominated record, so even if the following albums were still dominated by Neal, they were still dominated LESS than before.
K? :)
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And my assertion is that these statements by bands who say that an album was"written by the whole band" are not worth the paper they were written on. If TA said whatever album was less Neal-dominated, that doesn't mean it actually was, it simply means they were aware of a negative perception and tried to counteract said perception. DT had done exactly the same with DT12, and years later MM admits through gritted teeth that his input was virtually nil.
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To each his own. Your ears are going to tell you what you want to hear, so have at it. :biggrin:
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I definitely trust my ears over a marketing statement, yes ;D
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Haha, I can't say I blame ya, even if I do not agree wholeheartedly with your conclusion. :P
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I've seen his ears but they've never madequate any statements while I was around.
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The thing with Transatlantic for me is that even though Roine contributes a lot (I can also mostly tell what parts were written by whom) it's still going through the Neal Morse filter. Watch any Transatlantic documentary and it's obvious that Neal Morse and Mike Portnoy are the masterminds of putting the whole thing together. The way those epics are put together is very much in the typical Morse style.
Nail on the head. Neal Morse is an artist I had no problem jumping ship on several years ago. I did catch some material from the cruise, and honestly, it looked comical.
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I don't think i've ever quit a band...
Even if their most recent album is total shit. I'll always listen to their albums.
I'm also not one of those people who - if their "favourite" band puts out a crap album - suddenly finds massive flaws with all previous albums and never really liked them anyway...
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I never really "stopped" to listen to a band by conscious decision, telling to myself "Ok, this album sucks, I have to remind myself that I don't want to listen to their future efforts anymore". It happens naturally, there's only so much free time and there's so much music out there, so when a new album by the band that made me lose interest comes out, I simply find myself not eager to check it out.
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Queensryche.
Haven't heard note one after Mindcrime II.
Totally bailed. Not interested at all anymore. Tate's second solo album holds some interest (I liked the first) but haven't even been motivated to check that out.
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I quit Queensryche too, though I gave the self titled a chance. Didn't bother with Condition Human and probably won't bother with the next one.
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I never really "stopped" to listen to a band by conscious decision, telling to myself "Ok, this album sucks, I have to remind myself that I don't want to listen to their future efforts anymore". It happens naturally, there's only so much free time and there's so much music out there, so when a new album by the band that made me lose interest comes out, I simply find myself not eager to check it out.
Came here to post almost this exactly. It seems a little odd to me to do such a thing. If it happens naturally then that's almost more definite and assured that you're "done with the band". To force yourself into a conscious effort to not listen to them anymore seems very weird to me. Perhaps I misconstrued the statement though and I do get the idea behind it.
But yeah for me personally it just happened unconsciously. Like with DT and Metallica, two bands I listened to religiously and loved just as much, my preferences just changed and I simply stopped listening to them. It wasn't a conscious effort but I just developed different tastes. Now, I know that's different than a band you love that eventually puts out horrible music, but I'd imagine after that initial bad album (or two...three, whatever it is), you'd just stop listening to them.
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I can't think of any band that i've been properly into putting out two or three terrible albums on the trot which has made me stop listening.
After St. Anger and Death Magnetic and the 8 year gap after that plus two orion fests, one 3D movie and the Lulu album ( which i did appreciate ) -
I was about ready to give up on Metallica. Then they dropped Hardwired To Self Destruct and from the day they debuted Hardwired - they seem to be making all the right choices again.
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Man... great topic! Where to even start?
Queensryche - Empire was last album I bought
Metallica - Black album was the last
Dio - Sacred Heart was the last
Iron Maiden - Seventh Son was the last
Pearl Jam - Vitology was the last
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Queensryche is an odd one for me. I really like their first few albums through promised land, but I got into them all relatively recently and have had no desire to check out anything past those albums. Does that count as jumping ship since it was all retrospective? I dunno.
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Man... great topic! Where to even start?
Queensryche - Empire was last album I bought
Metallica - Black album was the last
Dio - Sacred Heart was the last
Iron Maiden - Seventh Son was the last
Pearl Jam - Vitology was the last
Have you checked out Hardwired...To Self Destruct ? Without any shadow of doubt - Metallica's best album in 25 years. Black Album 2.
Oh Bingo ! Pearl Jam !! Yeah I was a massive fan until and including Yield. After that - Binaural really didn't do anything for me and self titled only slightly held my interest.
haven't even checked out anything after that... Thank you.
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Yeah, quite a few
Kamelot, DragonForce, Children of Bodom, Linkin Park, P.O.D., Coldplay, Disturbed
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Yeah, quite a few
Kamelot, DragonForce, Children of Bodom, Linkin Park, P.O.D., Coldplay, Disturbed
When did you give up on Kamelot?
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He found out it was only a model.
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Oh I thought of another one !!
The Levellers. I loved the self titled and Zeitgeist and the album after that.. But then they went super poppy and I never listened to them again.
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Have you checked out Hardwired...To Self Destruct ? Without any shadow of doubt - Metallica's best album in 25 years. Black Album 2.
I've heard rumblings that it's good...I will have to check it out!
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He found out it was only a model.
:lol
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He found out it was only a model.
:lol
Glad someone got that reference.
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I saw it, realized it was a response to me but had no idea what I had said.
Looked it up.
I smiled.
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Dammit. Timeforce Google.
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Dave Matthews Band was that band for me. I saw them 10 times between 1998 and 2002. Haven't seen them since. Sitting on a lawn at Alpine Valley for a weekend surrounded by dude bros screaming for random songs just killed any remaining interest I had in them. I heard a few songs in 2004 and 2006 that had some promise and sounded like a return to form, but nothing from those selections made an album and I just walked away.
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After St. Anger and Death Magnetic and the 8 year gap after that plus two orion fests, one 3D movie and the Lulu album ( which i did appreciate ) -
I was about ready to give up on Metallica. Then they dropped Hardwired To Self Destruct and from the day they debuted Hardwired - they seem to be making all the right choices again.
I can relate to this. I was kinda "Yeah, whatever" about the new album, then I liked it and I was hooked back into Metallica.
They're important enough and I loved them enough that I would have still checked out their album no matter what, but the album being so good helped a lot.
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Yeah, quite a few
Kamelot, DragonForce, Children of Bodom, Linkin Park, P.O.D., Coldplay, Disturbed
Children of Bodom broke my heart. Their last good album was 12 years ago </3 it sucks. Their first 5 albums were so good and then they just lost it. Such a shame, still haven't checked out their latest and doubt I ever will.
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Yeah, quite a few
Kamelot, DragonForce, Children of Bodom, Linkin Park, P.O.D., Coldplay, Disturbed
When did you give up on Kamelot?
Well, it sort of started with Ghost Opera. It wasn't a terrible album, but a let down especially after the brilliant Black Halo record. It didn't wow me like their albums before it. But Poetry for the Poisoned is where I just didn't care for them anymore.
He found out it was only a model.
Oh shit :lol Bless you, Kotowboy
Yeah, quite a few
Kamelot, DragonForce, Children of Bodom, Linkin Park, P.O.D., Coldplay, Disturbed
Children of Bodom broke my heart. Their last good album was 12 years ago </3 it sucks. Their first 5 albums were so good and then they just lost it. Such a shame, still haven't checked out their latest and doubt I ever will.
Me either, and i was a massive fan of Alexi Laiho back then too
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Alice In Chains - They were my second favourite outta the grunge bands (behind PJ). I played the shit out of Facelift, Dirt, Fly O Flies/Sap and The Self Titled Album. But I've had no interest in their comeback albums at all, I don't think I've even heard one song. Same with The Smashing Pumpkins.
Tragically Hip - Sad one this. Love this band, good stuff though out all their first 10 albums. Then came the bland 'We Are The Same' and they followed that up with 'Now For Plan A' an album I simply disliked. There most recent album 'Man Machine Poem' I just didn't bother with. Now lead singer Gord Downie has terminal brain cancer, so very sad. Truely a great band, and I feel bad about leaving them.
Arcade Fire are band currently on the brink, I loved their first 3 albums - but 'Reflektor' was a direction change that left me cold, if they pursue this style in the future I think I'll back away.
Chili Peppers - Haven't bothered with either of their latest albums.
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Iced Earth, In Flames, Blind Guardian (unfortunately).
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Well, it sort of started with Ghost Opera. It wasn't a terrible album, but a let down especially after the brilliant Black Halo record. It didn't wow me like their albums before it. But Poetry for the Poisoned is where I just didn't care for them anymore.
I remember when I first got into them about 4 yrs ago, folks said they weren't as keen on GO or PFTP. As I've progressed through the albums I've found I really like them both. More so than some of the favs like Fourth Legacy.
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I don't find this too difficult now that we have streaming services, which make it very easy to check out a new album with zero commitment or cost (beyond the streaming subscription I'm paying anyway). So there are definitely bands that I've lost interest in. But if I'm still a fan, even if their recent output doesn't interest me anymore then I'll normally still check out a new album at least once.
Okay, but if you check their new album out for free, then that goes against the idea behind this thread.
To reiterate, when I say jumping ship, I don't mean losing interest, but still checking stuff out; I mean losing interest to where you stop listening to almost anything new (barring hearing something on the radio, TV, etc.).
In that regard, streaming services makes it much harder to jump ship on a band completely, since it's pretty easy now to check out their new stuff for free somewhere, while back in the day, it was buy the CD to hear it or you probably hear it anywhere.
To Kev Schmev's original point:
Queensryche, after Hear In The Now Frontier (though I bought the new Todd album, but not the Tater stuff)
Scorpions, after Savage Amusement (though I bought Humanity Hour I used because I know one of the songwriters)
Blues Traveler, after Straight On Til Morning
I might be there with Ozzy. I'm not there with DT, because even though I don't like the Mangini era that much, I will still listen, and maybe even go to shows (to meet up with other fans, mostly).
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Out of 225 bands on my phone currently, only about 30 are auto buys which I posted below. Anything with an * means I didn't love their last album and they are thin ice so to speak. I've been really cutting back on purchases for financial reason.
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Adele
Alpha Rev
Alter Bridge
Anathema
Ayreon
BTBAM
The Dear Hunter
Delain
Devin Townsend*
Dream Theater
Flying Colors
Haken
Iron Maiden
James Labrie
Metallica
Neal Morse
Nightwish
Opeth*
Redemption*
Sabaton
Spock's Beard
Stone Sour
Symphony X
Tarja*
Tesla*
Threshold
Toto
The Winery Dogs
Within Temptation
Zac Brown Band
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It's never easy to tip your cap to a band or artist on a career well done and then move away from them while they are still an active band, but sometimes you just know that the downhill slide has begun and it's been to get off on the way down instead of forcing a multitude of bad albums on yourself praying for a return to form that you just know is never coming.
Has anyone ever pulled this off? I mean quitting a band cold turkey and not bothering to check anything new out anymore.
I think I am about at that point with the Flaming Lips, after two now blah releases in a row (The Terror and Oczy Mlody). It's clear as day that their creative peak is long gone, especially since the last show we saw of theirs wasn't nearly as good as the two we had seen prior.
I pulled it off successfully with Queensryche. Hear in the Now Frontier was the start of the slide, but I still stuck it out and tried Q2K, which wasn't any better, so I jumped ship and I still to this day have barely heard anything new they did with Geoff Tate in the band after Q2K (maybe a few songs I eventually checked out on YT and realized they were crap).
Fascinating topic. I haven't had complete success, only partial. In regard to Queensryche, I've sort of been able to put the original lineup into a mental box for myself, enabling me to enjoy that, and not care as much about what followed. But that literally has taken until probably the last six months, so I didn't really "jump ship" until then, and again, only partially. i still keep tabs, but not nearly like I used to.
The same can be said for me with Dream Theater. I really didn't like what Jordan brought to the band in 1999. I felt the band gained virtuosity, but lost a bit of soul and atmosphere. And I still feel that way. But I've hung on now for 18 more years, finding a couple things on each record I enjoy. But I couldn't completely "jump ship."
I find it incredibly difficult, once you've invested a lot of thought and time into a group that you enjoy (even if only a period of time), to cut them out completely. You sit there hoping, waiting, that they'll release something you feel the same about.
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Metallica lost me after TBA, after all these years I bought Hardwired and this album has renewed my faith in them. Awesome album!!!
Queensryche lost me with Promised Land and I haven't looked back since. However, I do still listen to their older stuff, especially OMC. So I haven't jumped ship completely.
Scorpions kind of lost me. Their last good album being Savage Amusement. I just bought their latest concert dvd from Germany, sounded ok but painful to watch. The shirtless drummer, tight leather pants etc,, so 80's cliche. Rudolph Schenkers weird stage antics.. :facepalm:
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Dave Matthews Band was that band for me. I saw them 10 times between 1998 and 2002. Haven't seen them since. Sitting on a lawn at Alpine Valley for a weekend surrounded by dude bros screaming for random songs just killed any remaining interest I had in them. I heard a few songs in 2004 and 2006 that had some promise and sounded like a return to form, but nothing from those selections made an album and I just walked away.
I can't say I've completely jumped ship on them, but my interest has plummeted. I saw five times from 2000-2004 and enjoyed the heck out of every show but one (bad seats), but aside from the album they did right after LeRoi Moore died, nothing they have done in the last 13-14 years has done much for me. At their creative peak (1994-2000), they were great, but that is long passed.
I find it incredibly difficult, once you've invested a lot of thought and time into a group that you enjoy (even if only a period of time), to cut them out completely. You sit there hoping, waiting, that they'll release something you feel the same about.
Yep, it is very difficult to do, which is why I thought it would be an interesting topic.
I think the only reason I manage to pull off jumping ship with Queensryche was my interest in them evaporated right when I was getting online and into a bunch of new bands, so there was never that "I miss that band" void. I found a bunch of bands who were released albums miles better than the last two they had done.
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...Dream Theater for me. I haven't completely written them off. I never got into the self-titled, but I just considered that a fluke for me. And then The Astonishing came out, and after one listen I never went back to it. But I don't count that as a strike because it wasn't *just* an album, it was a concept album with media that expanded beyond the music into ARG games and lore and such. If the next album doesn't grab me though, then that might be it. I didn't really like BCaSL and loved ADToE, so I know the current line-up has it in them to put out great stuff. Just hope I get to hear another album like that in the future.
I suppose Incubus too. It was a long gap between the 2006 album and the 2011 one, and the 2011 album was so damn boring I wondered if the band was just losing it's creative spark as the guys approached their late 30s/early 40s. I'll give the new album a shot though.
I have to agree with you with DT. I think they started losing me with BCSL and it's been a downhill for me ever since.
I can't really agree with you on Incubus. If not now when is probably my least favorite album and it definitely didn't hit me with the power their previous albums did it's still a good record after some time. It has more duds than previous records but I think it was a good experiment in making a more low key record. I'm pumped for "8" and see if it's a return to form.
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For me it just kinda happens if there has been enough duds to warrant me losing interest. The amount may be different. For example with Opeth, while I enjoyed PC, I would call the last 3 albums duds and I don't have faith in them making a truly great album again. With a band like Dredg, it only took Chuckles & Mr Squeezy to kill off my interest almost entirely. I've actually had a hard time going back to their good albums because Chuckles left a bad taste in my mouth.
Chuckles was bad, really bad but I don't think it could go back and undue the great work they did prior.
For what it's worth there was a recent podcast with Mark that shed light on the chuckles album. It wasn't supposed to be a true dredg album instead it was originally going to be label a Dan the Automator album with dredg but the record company was against it. Also it was the first time that they recorded separately, they all sent in tracks separately and Dan put them together. Not that it makes the album any better but when Mark talked about getting together with the guys this year it gave me hope that if they make another record it has the potential to be great.
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Chuckles is awesome, you sillies.
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Awesome isn't the word I would use :lol
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Dave Matthews Band was that band for me. I saw them 10 times between 1998 and 2002. Haven't seen them since. Sitting on a lawn at Alpine Valley for a weekend surrounded by dude bros screaming for random songs just killed any remaining interest I had in them. I heard a few songs in 2004 and 2006 that had some promise and sounded like a return to form, but nothing from those selections made an album and I just walked away.
I can't say I've completely jumped ship on them, but my interest has plummeted. I saw five times from 2000-2004 and enjoyed the heck out of every show but one (bad seats), but aside from the album they did right after LeRoi Moore died, nothing they have done in the last 13-14 years has done much for me. At their creative peak (1994-2000), they were great, but that is long passed.
I sort of hate that mentality where "I was into so-and-so when they were a club band; now they blow!". My friend was a huge REM fan - saw them on if not their first tour, then their second, in a small club here in Connecticut - and when... I think it was Lifes Rich Pageant hit ("Fall On Me" was the single) though it might have been Document ("The One I Love") he was all like "they suck, they sold out, they blow..." Whatevs.
Dave Matthews is as close to that as I come. I LOVED the first album, played it to death ("Jimi Thing" is still my favorite DMB song, and the live version from Central Park with Warren Haynes is just sublime) but now? With all the weekend hippies - including my ex-wife and her new hubby - that are corporate a-holes from Monday to Friday, but "can't wait for the next DMB show!" twice a year, I can't quite believe that that's what Dave envisioned when he first set out. The only saving grace is that I can watch Carter Beauford play drums all day long (I actually have a set of his sticks right behind me in my office - Pro Mark Millenium II's).
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Dave Matthews Band was that band for me. I saw them 10 times between 1998 and 2002. Haven't seen them since. Sitting on a lawn at Alpine Valley for a weekend surrounded by dude bros screaming for random songs just killed any remaining interest I had in them. I heard a few songs in 2004 and 2006 that had some promise and sounded like a return to form, but nothing from those selections made an album and I just walked away.
I can't say I've completely jumped ship on them, but my interest has plummeted. I saw five times from 2000-2004 and enjoyed the heck out of every show but one (bad seats), but aside from the album they did right after LeRoi Moore died, nothing they have done in the last 13-14 years has done much for me. At their creative peak (1994-2000), they were great, but that is long passed.
I sort of hate that mentality where "I was into so-and-so when they were a club band; now they blow!". My friend was a huge REM fan - saw them on if not their first tour, then their second, in a small club here in Connecticut - and when... I think it was Lifes Rich Pageant hit ("Fall On Me" was the single) though it might have been Document ("The One I Love") he was all like "they suck, they sold out, they blow..." Whatevs.
Dave Matthews is as close to that as I come. I LOVED the first album, played it to death ("Jimi Thing" is still my favorite DMB song, and the live version from Central Park with Warren Haynes is just sublime) but now? With all the weekend hippies - including my ex-wife and her new hubby - that are corporate a-holes from Monday to Friday, but "can't wait for the next DMB show!" twice a year, I can't quite believe that that's what Dave envisioned when he first set out. The only saving grace is that I can watch Carter Beauford play drums all day long (I actually have a set of his sticks right behind me in my office - Pro Mark Millenium II's).
For me, DMB never really recovered from the Lilywhite Sessions/Everyday/Busted Stuff era. I remember going to see them in Indianapolis in June of 2000, and they played a lot of the Lilywhite Sessions stuff, like Grey Street, Bartender, JTR, Grace is Gone, The Sweet Up and Down, etc. and my brother and I loved it. It seemed like the natural extension of the direction they were going on Before These Crowded Streets, and it was great stuff. Dark, but really, really strong. And then, we found out an A&R guy came to the sessions, said, "I don't hear the Tripping Billies on this record." Dave panicked, and they scrapped the sessions so Dave could go work with Glen Ballard and dream up the boring-ass Everyday. Busted Stuff was a nice consolation prize, but it was kinda like hearing the story six months later as opposed to being there when it happened.
That said, I got to see some great DMB shows. They are a phenomenal live band, and I could watch Carter play drums and chew bubblegum all damn day.
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Since I didn't see it mentioned... am I the only one that thought that the thread title was referring to musicians that were proved right by history to have quit a band in the era they did? :D
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Chuckles was bad, really bad but I don't think it could go back and undue the great work they did prior.
For what it's worth there was a recent podcast with Mark that shed light on the chuckles album. It wasn't supposed to be a true dredg album instead it was originally going to be label a Dan the Automator album with dredg but the record company was against it. Also it was the first time that they recorded separately, they all sent in tracks separately and Dan put them together. Not that it makes the album any better but when Mark talked about getting together with the guys this year it gave me hope that if they make another record it has the potential to be great.
I agree that Chuckles doesn't completely tarnish the good stuff they put out, but after Chuckles I found myself not really wanting to go back to the old albums. I listened to the first 4 albums fairly recently (last year) for the first time since that time period and there's still great music there of course, just my overall feeling about Dredg cooled off hard after Chuckles.
And I mean, isn't it it kinda rare that an album kills off a band's career completely? I know they put out CWA on vinyl recently but I honestly have heard no Dredg news since after they toured for Chuckles, what, 5 years ago? Not saying Chuckles as an album burned their bridges but it doesn't feel like the band themselves are very eager to move forward from it.
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Since I didn't see it mentioned... am I the only one that thought that the thread title was referring to musicians that were proved right by history to have quit a band in the era they did? :D
In that case, Chris DeGarmo and /thread.
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Chuckles didn't bother me, because it wasn't really dredg being themselves. It was dredg deciding to try something new, and going to an outside producer for help with it. But the different personalities in that band are all still interesting to me, so I'd be hard pressed to jump ship anytime soon. I know they all have creative ideas that haven't been realized yet.
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Since I didn't see it mentioned... am I the only one that thought that the thread title was referring to musicians that were proved right by history to have quit a band in the era they did? :D
In that case, Chris DeGarmo and /thread.
Bingo. Chris saw this -- :susantate: marrying his singer and coming aboard, and was like "I'm out!"
:rollin
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Ozzy - Ozmosis was the end for me. IMO, there's one good song - "Thunder Underground". The rest is "bleh". And, the weird effect on his voice totally does it in for me. He sounds robotic or something. I remember some people joking that Ozzy's vocals come from a digital catalog where it just gets pieced together and auto-tuned. Haven't bought a thing since.
QR (Tate-era) - Q2K was the end for me. Didn't really care for it. Didn't buy another album until Todd came onboard. So, I guess it only partially fulfills the requirements for this thread.
Black Crowes - loved the first 2 albums. Never got Amorica or anything else until By Your Side (which I love). Then, never got another album after that.
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Dave Matthews Band was that band for me. I saw them 10 times between 1998 and 2002. Haven't seen them since. Sitting on a lawn at Alpine Valley for a weekend surrounded by dude bros screaming for random songs just killed any remaining interest I had in them. I heard a few songs in 2004 and 2006 that had some promise and sounded like a return to form, but nothing from those selections made an album and I just walked away.
I can't say I've completely jumped ship on them, but my interest has plummeted. I saw five times from 2000-2004 and enjoyed the heck out of every show but one (bad seats), but aside from the album they did right after LeRoi Moore died, nothing they have done in the last 13-14 years has done much for me. At their creative peak (1994-2000), they were great, but that is long passed.
I sort of hate that mentality where "I was into so-and-so when they were a club band; now they blow!". My friend was a huge REM fan - saw them on if not their first tour, then their second, in a small club here in Connecticut - and when... I think it was Lifes Rich Pageant hit ("Fall On Me" was the single) though it might have been Document ("The One I Love") he was all like "they suck, they sold out, they blow..." Whatevs.
Dave Matthews is as close to that as I come. I LOVED the first album, played it to death ("Jimi Thing" is still my favorite DMB song, and the live version from Central Park with Warren Haynes is just sublime) but now? With all the weekend hippies - including my ex-wife and her new hubby - that are corporate a-holes from Monday to Friday, but "can't wait for the next DMB show!" twice a year, I can't quite believe that that's what Dave envisioned when he first set out. The only saving grace is that I can watch Carter Beauford play drums all day long (I actually have a set of his sticks right behind me in my office - Pro Mark Millenium II's).
For me, DMB never really recovered from the Lilywhite Sessions/Everyday/Busted Stuff era. I remember going to see them in Indianapolis in June of 2000, and they played a lot of the Lilywhite Sessions stuff, like Grey Street, Bartender, JTR, Grace is Gone, The Sweet Up and Down, etc. and my brother and I loved it. It seemed like the natural extension of the direction they were going on Before These Crowded Streets, and it was great stuff. Dark, but really, really strong. And then, we found out an A&R guy came to the sessions, said, "I don't hear the Tripping Billies on this record." Dave panicked, and they scrapped the sessions so Dave could go work with Glen Ballard and dream up the boring-ass Everyday. Busted Stuff was a nice consolation prize, but it was kinda like hearing the story six months later as opposed to being there when it happened.
That said, I got to see some great DMB shows. They are a phenomenal live band, and I could watch Carter play drums and chew bubblegum all damn day.
I could not agree more. I saw DMB in the summer of 2000 twice and they played a bunch of new stuff, all of which I loved. I couldn't wait to get studio versions of those songs....and then Everyday came out. I didn't hate it, but it was very underwhelming. And when they did release the good stuff on Busted Stuff, a lot of it just wasn't the same. Even the chorus of Grey Street had different lyrics, which made the hook far less catchy, and don't even get me started on how lame Big Eyed Fish was compared to the original. I remember being so disappointed when Monkey Man and JTR weren't even recorded for Busted Stuff. When I want to hear those songs, even though they are demos and not that polished, I still go for the Lillywhite Sessions.
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Since I didn't see it mentioned... am I the only one that thought that the thread title was referring to musicians that were proved right by history to have quit a band in the era they did? :D
Nah I thought so too. That's an interesting topic itself though.
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Jump ship from Dave Matthews? I never even boarded that ship. :xbones
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I jumped ship with DMB but I thought I'd give his most recent output a shot, if only to hear what Carter is playing
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Ozzy - Ozmosis was the end for me. IMO, there's one good song - "Thunder Underground". The rest is "bleh".
I fucking love Ozzmosis, but Thunder Underground is one of the two skip tracks for me. :lol
Down to Earth seems to be very underrated. It's a solid album. Even Black Rain has a couple of decent tracks, although the most recent album killed my interest entirely. I'm sure if he did another album I'd still check it out though.
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Ozzy - Ozmosis was the end for me. IMO, there's one good song - "Thunder Underground". The rest is "bleh".
I fucking love Ozzmosis, but Thunder Underground is one of the two skip tracks for me. :lol
Down to Earth seems to be very underrated. It's a solid album. Even Black Rain has a couple of decent tracks, although the most recent album killed my interest entirely. I'm sure if he did another album I'd still check it out though.
I feel the same as you Blob.
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I walked away from DT when Black clouds came out. They were my favorite band in the world, but it was time. SC had come out and I was like "that was ok I guess, but I'm curious what they do next" and then Black clouds came out and that was it.
1. A nightmare to remember- already turned off by the pun. Not a bad song, but of course there's that one part we all know about, which was
absolutely 100% not for me, at least not from DT.
2. Rite of passage is so so for me.
3. Wither is decent
4. Shattered fortress. I like the AA suite, but this entry revisits old themes too much. I would rather just listen to the song they originated from.
5. Best of times- Not a bad song, but its stuck on an album I don't care for, so I just don't really listen to it.
6. The count- 2/3 incredible, 1/3 cheese. The opening blew my mind when I first heard it and even brought a tear to my eye. It was beautiful and then it goes into the smoking on his pipe section where it gets fast and heavy (and not in a good way) with MP singing quite a bit. (And I like MP's backup vocals, but not when they are so overt) and then the song goes back to being beautiful agains. A scarred jem, a flawed masterpiece to me personally and that bothered me.
So I am already off-put by this lopsided album and Then I saw them live for this album and they all looked miserable except MP, so I was like fuck it. I'm done, and didn't listen to DT until all the shit went down and then when ADTOE came out, my love for dream theater came right back and I love them again just as much as I ever did :smiley:
And I am happy to say that they aren't the only band to be able to win me back, which is a great feeling.
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That's awesome, glad to hear DT won you back! Metallica just won me back with their new album, I haven't been into them for many years..