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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Genowyn on August 25, 2009, 09:36:17 PM
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I know there was a thread about this on the old forum, so I thought I would re-make it here.
I am obviously very excited about the next book, and of course the HBO series and the two video games. Seems like a lot of awesome stuff is on the way for ASOIAF fans. I also really like the board game :p
Any other fans of this great series of books?
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No other fans? That sucks :(
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The books are perhaps the most engrossing series I've ever read. I'm a huge fan.
Probably my favorite moments in the series so far are (non-spoilery) Ned and Joffrey's encounter towards the end of Game Of Thrones, the battle of King's Landing in Clash of Kings ("Those are brave men. Let's go kill them"), and the Red Wedding in Storm Of Swords (well, duh). Feast For Crows was probably my least favorite, but it was a much-needed break from the frantic action in the first three books. No worries.
However, I'm somewhat skeptical that the series will be finished in Martin's lifetime. Let's see, he's almost (crossed fingers) done with A Dance With Dragons, and has *some* material written on The Winds Of Winter. But there's still the whole last book (A Dream Of Spring), and given that he's been averaging, oh, 5 years of time spent writing each book, well....
The man's 62, so it's not totally out of the question, but the picture of health he is not, sadly.
(Disclaimer: I'm well aware that he has other interests besides writing, and he likes to take his time in crafting a high-quality product. These are all good things. I'm merely saying that I hope he finishes this series that he's clearly already invested so much time and effort into)
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I read the first three and about half of the fourth and loved them. I should read the last half of it but my life is always so busy. Anyway, I loved how Martin creates a realistic world with believable characters. Everyone is in it for themselves in one way or another. It's a stark contrast to The Sword of Truth Series, one of my other favorite book series. Definitely something I should get to doing.
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BUMP FOR NEWS
The TV show is greenlit, production is starting in June, and it will probably start airing next spring. :metal
Also, he's up to 1311 pages on the new book.
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Sweet.
I really should get around to rereading the series again, but I've been too busy with... not finishing the books I'm currently reading.
DAMN YOU ADD!
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I swear to God, if he doesn't finish the book because he dies, I'm going to boycott Football.
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I swear to God, if he doesn't finish the book because he dies, I'm going to boycott Football.
You don't already do that?
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So the pilot passed HBO's executives. Season 1 next spring!!!
Woohoo :)
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Yeah, don't care that this hasn't been posted in for awhile, if I made a new thread people would bitch anyway.
Here's a new teaser and "behind the scenes" look at the upcoming HBO series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAZzCFPcLoo&feature=player_embedded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjY6QnOPcoI&feature=player_embedded
Not sure about all the actors and who they're playing, but at :15 in the first video, Tyrion Lannister and someone else (Blackfish? Maybe Bronn?), and :17, from left to right: Pycelle, Varys, Eddard, Robert.
You can pick out the characters in the second video just fine... I saw Viserys, Khal Drogo, Tyrion, Arya and Bran at 1:13, Daenerys towards the end, etc. Everyone looks good, and the actors that I recognize are all incredible :biggrin:
I'm so damn excited :caffeine:
Oh, and I have one thing to say in regards to the books:
Fuck Joffrey. Stupid cunt. And Gregor Clegane. And Tywin. And Ramsay.
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Yeah, don't care that this hasn't been posted in for awhile, if I made a new thread people would bitch anyway.
Here's a new teaser and "behind the scenes" look at the upcoming HBO series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAZzCFPcLoo&feature=player_embedded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjY6QnOPcoI&feature=player_embedded
Not sure about all the actors and who they're playing, but at :15 in the first video, Tyrion Lannister and someone else (Blackfish? Maybe Bronn?), and :17, from left to right: Pycelle, Varys, Eddard, Robert.
You can pick out the characters in the second video just fine... I saw Viserys, Khal Drogo, Tyrion, Arya and Bran at 1:13, Daenerys towards the end, etc. Everyone looks good, and the actors that I recognize are all incredible :biggrin:
I'm so damn excited :caffeine:
Oh, and I have one thing to say in regards to the books:
Fuck Joffrey. Stupid cunt. And Gregor Clegane. And Tywin. And Ramsay.
OH MY GOD! That looks freaking fantastic! :D
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Fuck Joffrey. Stupid cunt. And Gregor Clegane. And Tywin. And Ramsay.
Hey now, don't be hating on my main man Tywin.
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GUYS:
Remember the Gregor Clegane vs. Prince Oberyn martell fight?
And Tyrion's response at the end "I handed my life to a snake, but i forgot snakes have no arms" (or something like that) then he goes mad with laughter....
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Yes. Why?
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Yes. Why?
lol... I was just reminiscing.
****SPOILERS***
Never has evil trumpeted good in such a glorious turn of events. I cheered for monstrous Gregor while at the same time was saddened at the noble prince's defeat.
Prince Oberyn tilted his dented metal shield. A shaft of sunlight blazed blindingly off polished gold and copper, into the narrow slit of his foe's helm. Clegane lifted his own shield against the glare. Prince Oberyn's spear flashed like lightening and found the gap in the heavy plate, the join under the arm. The point punched through the mail and boiled leather. Gregor gave a choked grunt as the Dornishman twisted his spear and yanked it free. "Elia Say it! Elia of Dorne!" He was circling, the spear poised for another thrust. "Say it!" ..... Prince Oberyn had circled behind him. "ELIA OF DORNE!" he shouted. Ser Gregor started to turn, but too slow and too late. The spearhead went through the back of the knee this time, through the layers of chain and leather between the plates on thigh and calf. The Mountain reeled, swayed, then collapsed face first on the ground. His huge sword went flying from his hand. Slowly, ponderously, he rolled onto his back. The Dornishman flung away his ruined shield, grasped the spear in both hand and sauntered away. Behind him the Mountain let out a groan, and pushed himself onto an elbow. Oberyn whirled cat-quick, and ran at his fallen foe. "EEEELLLLLLIIIAAAAA!" he screamed, as he drove the spear down with the whole weight of his body behind it. The crack of the ashwood shaft snapping was almost as sweet a sound as Cersie's wail of fury, and for an instant the Prince of Dorne had wings. ... Four feet of broken spear jutted from Cleganes belly as Prince Oberyn rolled, rose, and dusted himself off. He tossed aside the splintered spear and claimed his foe's great sword. "If you die before you say her name, ser, I will hunt you through all seven hells," he promised. Ser Gregor tried to rise. The broken spear had gone through him, and was pinning him to the ground. He wrapped both hands about the shaft, grunting, but could not pull it out. Beneath him was a spreading pool of red. Prince Oberyn moved closer. "Say the name!" He put a foot on the Mountain's chest and raised the greatsword with both hands. Whether he intended to to hack off Gregor's head or shove the point through his eyeslit was something Tyrion would never know. Clegane's hand shot up and grabbed the Dornishman behind the knee. The Red Viper brought down the great sword in a wild slash, but he was off balance, and the edge did no more than put another dent in the Mountain's arm brace. Then the sword was forgotten as Gregor's hand tightened and twisted, yanking the Dornishman down on top of him. They wrestled in the dust and blood, the broken spear wobbling back and forth. Tyrion saw with horror that the Mountain had wrapped one huge arm around the prince, drawing him tight against his chest, like a lover. "Elia of Dorne," they all heard Ser Gregor say, when they were close enough to kiss. His deep voice boomed within the helm. "I killed her screaming whelp." He thrust his free hand into Oberyn's unprotected face, pushing steel fingers into his eyes. "Then I raped her." Clegane slammed his fist into the Dornishman's mouth, making splinteres of his teeth. "Then I smashed her fucking head in. Like this." As he drew back his huge fist, the blood on his gauntlet seemed to smoke in the cold down air. There was a sickening crunch."
:hefdaddy
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While Obeyrn isn't exactly a good guy either, Gregor is one of the few examples of someone who is pure good/bad.
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Hodor
Hodor hodor hodor hodor HODOR HODOR HODOR HODOR hodor hodor HODOR
Hodor hodor... :\
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It is known.
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Jamie Lannister is the best character in the series.
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Jaime Tyrion Lannister is the best character in the series.
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also fixt spelling
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I always fuck up that.
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Vargo Hoat ith obviouthly the betht them you noobleth
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My favorite series of all time. The most engaging, engrossing fantasy series there is. GRRM is very, very dark, and he keeps magic to a minimum, which makes ASOIAF different from the standard epic fantasy series.
Funny thing is, I refuse to watch the HBO series because I don't want it to alter my conception of the series.
GRRM really need to at least put out A Dance With Dragons. I mean, yeah, he's allowed to do whatever he wants, but he really needs to put out more then one book every 5 years.
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Best. Books. Ever.
I just read that twist sequence in a middle of Storm of Swords, and was so shocked I let out a little yell of rage in the middle of the laundromat. The only reason I stopped reading was to go to work.
Also, Tyrion is the best. End of discussion.
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https://www.westeros.org/GoT/News/Entry/4743/
oh my god yes
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Can't wait for this series and I so hope they don't mess it up.
Haven't got up to date with the books yet, just on the 2nd part of book 3. It's a stunning series. I like how all bets are off with his characters. No one is guaranteed to survive and unlike other authors he isn't afraid to kill off main characters, in fact he seems to enjoy it!
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Still need to read these...
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Still need to read these...
Yes.
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Still need to read these...
Get going, now.
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https://www.westeros.org/GoT/News/Entry/4743/
oh my god yes
Holy Shit. That was done so well; it captures the essence of the story perfectly in that its not just a fantasy; but rather the politics and drama.
Very impressed.
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I finished reading the books last Fall. I can't wait to see how this turns out!
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Huh, he's kinda old - hope he doesn't die before he finishes them =/
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Huh, he's kinda old - hope he doesn't die before he finishes them =/
He's been delaying on A Dance with Dragons for like, 6 years. He must be getting senile or lazy in his old age.
Although, this bodes well:
In a December 2010 interview with Bear Swarm, Martin stated that he almost has A Dance With Dragons completed.
It doesn't really confirm anything, but hopefully it will be out before the year is done. Hopefully. Then I'll have to wait 6 more months for trade paperback because hardcover sucks balls......sigh.
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He stated he had a lot done with Dance with Dragons prior to Feast for Crows being released since he was originally writing them as one book. That was five years ago, but I don't think it is senility or laziness that hinders him so much as he sounds like a busy person that actually lives his life.
He and his publisher have stated he is very close to done, though. A few months back I think he had said all but 2 or 3 POV's were wrapped up, and those not yet done were basically just a chapter or two from completion.
Hopefully the fact that most of the content in the duology of FfC and DwD wasn't meant to be books in the series but gleaned from the characters memories in the later books really just made this a pain in the ass for him to write. At least if that is true he might go considerably quicker with the final two books.
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He stated he had a lot done with Dance with Dragons prior to Feast for Crows being released since he was originally writing them as one book. That was five years ago, but I don't think it is senility or laziness that hinders him so much as he sounds like a busy person that actually lives his life.
I guess it's less that I think he's lazy and more that I'm bitter he hasn't finished it yet. :lol
I can understand that he's a busy guy, especially with the TV show now (I mean, surely he has some input into that), but five whole years IS are really long time to finish a book, especially considering how many promises and delays there have been.
He and his publisher have stated he is very close to done, though. A few months back I think he had said all but 2 or 3 POV's were wrapped up, and those not yet done were basically just a chapter or two from completion.
Right on. If the book comes out more or less around the time of the show, I think the fans will be kept satisfied for the next little while.
Hopefully the fact that most of the content in the duology of FfC and DwD wasn't meant to be books in the series but gleaned from the characters memories in the later books really just made this a pain in the ass for him to write. At least if that is true he might go considerably quicker with the final two books.
I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at here. Care to expand?
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He posted that in early January he might have some "very exciting news" for us, but an illness put him under for a week and he said that that news would end up being delayed.
To me this means:
The fact that his illness delayed it means it must be related to the book. After all, if he gets ill it doesn't interfere with the series or the games.
It was probably going to be a release date, or rather the news that he is finally done. If he was planning to tell us early this month and only got put down for a week, I think we can expect an announcement within a month or two.
While you're waiting, I highly recommend that everyone check's out Patrick Rothfuss's The Name of the Wind. It's the first of 3 in a trilogy (second part comes out in March) and it's an extremely well written piece of fantasy literature. Maybe not as dark as ASOIAF but still very good. Check out www.patrickrothfuss.com for a preview of the novel.
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yorost, I don't think that final part of your post is true at all. Originally, AFFC was going to take place five years after A Storm of Swords, and he originally began to write it as such. But he realized that was silly because he'd need to fill in all the details of what happened in that time jump, with flashbacks and the like, which wouldn't work out smoothly so he started again from scratch. Also worth noting is that AFFC and ADWD take place at the same time (I believe).
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yorost, I don't think that final part of your post is true at all. Originally, AFFC was going to take place five years after A Storm of Swords, and he originally began to write it as such. But he realized that was silly because he'd need to fill in all the details of what happened in that time jump, with flashbacks and the like, which wouldn't work out smoothly so he started again from scratch. Also worth noting is that AFFC and ADWD take place at the same time (I believe).
They do, though ADWD will have some parts that extend past the end of Feast, because there are more Arya chapters and some other characters from Feast have PoVs as well.
The main thing I'm looking forward to so much about Dance over Feast is that Feast didn't really focus on the characters I'm interested in. Dance will have Tyrion and Jon back, and that's enough.
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Also worth noting is that AFFC and ADWD take place at the same time (I believe).
As far as I know this is correct, with ADWD filling in the rest of the POV characters we didn't see in AFFC. That is, Tyrion, Jon and Daenerys, among other.
Edit: Oh Geno ninja'd me
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I cannot wait for DwD. I really hope he doesn't take half a decade per book after this.
Also, is anyone not really excited for the HBO series? I have this thing where I don't want to watch shows/movies based on books that I've read (especially ones that I really enjoy). Martin has been able to create this fantastic universe for me, and I feel that watching the HBO series would taint that universe.
I had the same problem (in reverse) with LOTR. I saw the movies before I read the book, and this made it very hard for me to get into the series because I had all these preconceived ideas on how things were supposed to look/be. With ASOiaF, I don't want the HBO series to change my conceptions of the series, so I may just not watch it. I dunno tho, just a strange idea I have.
And Genowyn Rothfuss's The Name of The Wind is absolutely amazing. I read it over the summer (in 3 days, it was that good) and I cannot wait for The Wise Man's Fear. Great story, and a cool way of telling it (primarily first person).
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Hopefully the fact that most of the content in the duology of FfC and DwD wasn't meant to be books in the series but gleaned from the characters memories in the later books really just made this a pain in the ass for him to write. At least if that is true he might go considerably quicker with the final two books.
I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at here. Care to expand?
yorost, I don't think that final part of your post is true at all. Originally, AFFC was going to take place five years after A Storm of Swords, and he originally began to write it as such. But he realized that was silly because he'd need to fill in all the details of what happened in that time jump, with flashbacks and the like, which wouldn't work out smoothly so he started again from scratch. Also worth noting is that AFFC and ADWD take place at the same time (I believe).
No, I am definitely correct on that point, and what you wrote explains most of it. Feast for Crows was never supposed to be a book in the series until he was already writing Dance with Dragons. As you pointed out he basically scrapped the structure and began a salvage job of adding in story for the time he planned on skipping. This resulted in Feast for Crows, which eventually got too big and was partly split off into Dance with Dragons.
What now consists of most or all of Feast for Crows and the concurrently timed material in Dance with Dragons is the material he went back and decided had to be added into the series. This is the part of the story we were supposed to learn in memories and flashbacks.
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I cannot wait for DwD. I really hope he doesn't take half a decade per book after this.
Also, is anyone not really excited for the HBO series? I have this thing where I don't want to watch shows/movies based on books that I've read (especially ones that I really enjoy). Martin has been able to create this fantastic universe for me, and I feel that watching the HBO series would taint that universe.
I had the same problem (in reverse) with LOTR. I saw the movies before I read the book, and this made it very hard for me to get into the series because I had all these preconceived ideas on how things were supposed to look/be. With ASOiaF, I don't want the HBO series to change my conceptions of the series, so I may just not watch it. I dunno tho, just a strange idea I have.
I can understand your concern, but I feel that if the series is well handled with the proper care and love for the material (as the LOTR films were), the product can be spectacular.
Also, Sean Bean is literally how I pictured Ned. He is the perfect casting.
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For those not in the know, the POV characters for A Dance With Dragons are (SPOILERS):
Jon
Tyrion
Dany
Asha
Davos
Quentyn
Bran
Reek (Theon)
Cersei
Arya
Melisandre
Varamyr Sixskins (prologue)
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What now consists of most or all of Feast for Crows and the concurrently timed material in Dance with Dragons is the material he went back and decided had to be added into the series. This is the part of the story we were supposed to learn in memories and flashbacks.
I believe what has been given Martin the most trouble (and hence, the best explanation for the massive amount of time in writing) with aDwD is what he refers to as the "Mereenese Knot." Quentyn, Tyrion, Victarion, Marwyn and perhaps others all meet Danaerys in Meereen at roughly the same point in the book. All of the overlapping POVs combined with the fact that it's a hugely pivotal moment in the series have made it a nightmare to get right.
If I've been reading the updates properly, he's close to resolving it, but he still has reservations and feels that some readers will have issue with the story. Either way, I'm sure it will be amazing, and I'm confident that he won't die before the series is complete - yes, many, many aSoIaF fans are rather concerned about that happening.
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Now is a bad time to mention Robert Jordan? I'm not worried about it, but it does happen.
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Now is a bad time to mention Robert Jordan? I'm not worried about it, but it does happen.
Even if that does happen, then as long as he has extensive enough notes prepared for the remaining novels, I'm sure they would get someone to finish them (if his spouse so chose, much like Brandon Sanderson for the Wheel of Time).
I certainly hope this isn't the case, as one of the greatest fantasy series of all times deserves a decent ending.
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https://www.georgerrmartin.com/if-update.html
July 12! According to Martin, the publication date of A Dance with Dragons has been set for Tuesday, July 12th!
Odd that a date has been set despite the book not even being completed, yet, but George himself has actually confirmed this. 6 years of waiting, (11, if you consider this book to be just the other half of aFFC) but at long last it's finally coming!
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Wow that is so awesome! July 12th is my wife's b-day and we've both been very anxiously awaiting this book. She's going to flip when I tell her!! Next thing you know DT is gonna announce the new drummer! :lol
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NO WAY! THAT'S AMAZING NEWS.
Too bad I'll have to wait another half year for it took come out in trade ('cuz I'm cheap like that)
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By the way
It was probably going to be a release date, or rather the news that he is finally done. If he was planning to tell us early this month and only got put down for a week, I think we can expect an announcement within a month or two.
(https://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/Genowyn/called-it.jpg)
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YES!!!! finally!
:omg: :hefdaddy :hat
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New trailer for Game of Thrones:
https://insidetv.ew.com/2011/03/03/game-of-thrones-new-trailer/
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New trailer for Game of Thrones:
https://insidetv.ew.com/2011/03/03/game-of-thrones-new-trailer/
This looks so awesome. The Wall is exactly as I pictured it. And I'm looking forward to seeing some of Dany's costumes...So hoping it isn't shite. Film and TV have such a poor record with Fantasy and there's no real reason why that should be a the sources out there are so cinematic to begin with. And with fx being what they are now there really is no excuse.
I can't wait for an adaptation of Scott Lynch's Lies of Locke Lamorra, and Gemmell's Legend needs doing too.
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oh dear god :eek :eek
...and Petyr Baelish looks EXACTLY what I imagined him to be. Wow!
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You imagined him looking exactly like the mayor of Baltimore?
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NO WAY! THAT'S AMAZING NEWS.
Too bad I'll have to wait another half year for it took come out in trade ('cuz I'm cheap like that)
You do know that if you buy popular books right when they're released you can usually find them at a price only a few dollars above what the trade will eventually sell for? Ebooks are also typically around trade price for new releases if you don't mind reading on a computer screen. As for not having a physical copy, trades hardly retain value, better than mass market, so you can pick up the version of your choice cheap down the road. You could also possibly find a library. I lived in Canada, I know you have them.
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NO WAY! THAT'S AMAZING NEWS.
Too bad I'll have to wait another half year for it took come out in trade ('cuz I'm cheap like that)
You do know that if you buy popular books right when they're released you can usually find them at a price only a few dollars above what the trade will eventually sell for? Ebooks are also typically around trade price for new releases if you don't mind reading on a computer screen. As for not having a physical copy, trades hardly retain value, better than mass market, so you can pick up the version of your choice cheap down the road. You could also possibly find a library. I lived in Canada, I know you have them.
Yeah, but I have a weird thing about books. I like to own them, but I really dislike hardcover copies for some reason. I guess I could read it from a library and then buy it later...I hadn't thought of that.
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New POV for A Dance With Dragons revealed:
Barristan Selmy
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New POV for A Dance With Dragons revealed:
Barristan Selmy
YES
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AWESOME
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Somebody isn't happy.
https://grrm.livejournal.com/224067.html
I am not happy about this. My publishers are furious.
If we find out who is responsible, we will mount his head on a spike.
A Dance with Dragons was shipped early in Germany by Amazon. Not to too many, but one is enough.
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This happened like a week and half ago I thought.
The internet is swarming with spoilers, so I haven't even gone near any sites where I might find them.
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It may have, I was just amused by his response. I'm just waiting for the book, but I doubt I'm going to get to read it for a few months. :(
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Dumbledore dies at the end.
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So Amazon is saying either today or tomorrow...hopefully today.
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I have it
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Finished it yesterday.
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Anyway, here we go. Some thoughts:
I'd actually be more surprised if [redacted] stayed dead. There seems to be a pretty easy-ish way to bring him/her back in the next book. Probably the biggest game changer here, either way.
My only major complaint with ADWD is that it could have been trimmed down somewhat, particularly with regards to Mereen and The Wall. Even then, the Wall plot was actually fine, just a bit too padded. The Mereen parts though.... I dunno. Too much of nothing happened there until like, page 700, and then HOLYSHITAWESOMEAWESOMEAWESOMEYEAAAAAA, and then..... right before we get to the climax, the book ends. TWOW better open with a bang (I'm pretty sure it will too, I read somewhere that Martin's editors forced him to move the climax of ADWD to the next book because the page length was getting too long).
The War in the North was awesome. I totally missed the part with the pie until I read about it online :lol Bran's parts were quite interesting as well. I enjoyed the return to Jaime and Cersei's stories. Ser Robert Strong seems like a pretty interested development. Poor Kevan.
The reveal of [redacted] as the [redacted] came a bit out of left field for me, but I like how Tyrion responded to it. This could either be a really cool thing or a really meh thing, depending on how the next few books play out. Cautiously optimistic so far.
The writing, overall, was excellent. Hopefully the next one will come out soon. Maybe :P
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Pork pie. PORK PIE
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I think the Meereen bits were pretty boring, which is tragic because that was like 5 PoVs (Dany, Tyrion, Quentyn, Selmy, Victarion) that amounted to basically nothing despite the potential. 5-10 more chapters where those characters actually interacted in a meaningful way (minus Quentyn of course) would have made the book a lot better. It was a lot of setup, which I guess is fine...Winds of Winter had better deliver on all the promises this book has made though :lol
Quite happy to see that Brienne still lives, I'm fond of her.
The best part of this book was definitely the north, though. My most hated character has definitely become Ramsay. They should flay him and then give him to R'hllor ;D
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Just finished the book tonight...
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Overall, I thought the it was pretty good, although I was expecting it to be a bit more eventful (although after ASOS, the eventful/non-eventful bar had been risen considerably higher). Currently, I would probably rank the book as the fourth best in the series.....ASOS-->AGOT---->ACOK->ADWD---->AFFC. To me, it was very similar to AFFC, but much more enjoyable since all of my favorite characters were present. I get this feeling from ADWD and AFFC that's akin to what I got from ACOK; they continually build and build and build on the story, eventually leading to all hell breaking loose in the next book. That isn't to say that they are filler or anything, but ACOK really set up all the craziness in ASOS, and I feel these last two books have done the for TWOW. If TWOW isn't on the same level of ASOS, I will be probably be very disappointed.
I have to agree, though, that the Meereen story was very drawn out and very slow. For how many chapters were dedicated to it, nothing truly interesting happened until the last 200 pages or so. Hopefully the whole Meereen arc gets wrapped up in TWOW, as so far it's not been terribly exciting (to me).
Martin has clearly not lost his knack for killing off important characters.....nor creating new ones to hate (Fuck you Ramsay, lol)
Really interested to find out the role Arya is going to play...and especially Bran since he's, you know, sitting in a cave whispering to people from the trees.
Hopefully the whole Aegon thing doesn't just become a side note. Revealing him as a player was one of the highlights of the novel, so hopefully he turns out to be a big factor.
I can only pray that it won't take Martin another 12 years to release the final two books. He's 62, and despite what he says about being a healthy person, I'm still a little worried. I would hate for this series to end in the same fashion as Wheel of Time. I read the first 4 books in about 6 months, and waited for just over a year for this one to be released, so I can't even imagine having to wait till my mid 30s to finish the series.
Oh btw, Strong Belwas is the man.
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I'm only about a quarter of the way through Clash of Kings so sorry to interrupt the new book discussion. Just wanted to say how much I love Tyrion's chapters. The scheming and wordplay between him and the members of the small council is so interesting. I can't wait to find out where it leads.
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I read that there's going to be a fourth Dunk & Egg story coming out in 2012, and the four will be released as one anthology soon after. I don't know if this is new news, but it's new to me.
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Holy shit, I just got to "the twist" in A Storm of Swords. Fuck you Martin!
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I want to start reading this series.
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It's such a good series. And then Martin decided to kill one of your favorite characters and you want to murder everything but keep reading anyways.
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I bought the books after I finished watching the first season of Game of Thrones back at the end of summer. I only read the first half of the first book though...
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Because you fail.
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Holy shit, I just got to "the twist" in A Storm of Swords. Fuck you Martin!
Haha
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Yeah I need to fix that.
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Holy shit, I just got to "the twist" in A Storm of Swords. Fuck you Martin!
There are still a few (good) surprises coming up in that book.
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It's such a good series. And then Martin decided to kill one of your favorite characters and you want to murder everything but keep reading anyways.
I understand. I started reading them recently after being blown away by the HBO series. I just started A Storm of Swords.
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I'm enjoying A Feast for Crows but not near as much as the other books in the series so far. There aren't as many characters so it's just that much less interesting.
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I'm enjoying A Feast for Crows but not near as much as the other books in the series so far. There aren't as many characters so it's just that much less interesting.
I just finished that one, and I agree. At the end of A Storm of Swords I was left with a real sense of OMG WTF BBQ, but A Feast for Crows wasn't quite as good for me. Of course, many of the characters were left out, which he mentions at the end of the novel. Their story apparently continues in A Dance of Dragons, for which I am awaiting the paperback release.
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I keep hoping that they will someday release revised versions that edit A Feast for Crows in with the beginning of A Dance with Dragons. I wonder how long until an enterprising internet denizen posts a chronological reading order for the chapters in those 2 books.
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In the end, they weren't written to be read chronologically, so why would reading the chapters that way be good?
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In the end, they weren't written to be read chronologically, so why would reading the chapters that way be good?
They were written to be read chronologically, at least initially. When the book got too big to be published as a single volume, GRRM and the publisher decided to split it by POV, rather than chronologically. But, that was a compromise to get a book out, not the original intention.
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I'm enjoying A Feast for Crows but not near as much as the other books in the series so far. There aren't as many characters so it's just that much less interesting.
I just finished that one, and I agree. At the end of A Storm of Swords I was left with a real sense of OMG WTF BBQ, but A Feast for Crows wasn't quite as good for me. Of course, many of the characters were left out, which he mentions at the end of the novel. Their story apparently continues in A Dance of Dragons, for which I am awaiting the paperback release.
Dance is sorta similar to Feast...both of them cover a time period that was originally intended to be skipped, but GRRM decided it would be better to include them. They both are basically a looooot of buildup. Dance is only more interesting than Feast because it's got better characters in it.
That being said, Theon's chapters in Dance are really some of the best in the whole series.
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In the end, they weren't written to be read chronologically, so why would reading the chapters that way be good?
They were written to be read chronologically, at least initially. When the book got too big to be published as a single volume, GRRM and the publisher decided to split it by POV, rather than chronologically. But, that was a compromise to get a book out, not the original intention.
It doesn't matter what he originally planned, they aren't written that way. When he split the books he reworked or rewrote most of what had already been written. If you followed his (not a)blog and updates you should know splitting it caused him a ton of headaches because it had to be redone for the new order. ...and if you really want to go back, you should know Feast and much of Dance were not supposed to be read chronologically in the true first place. There was supposed to be a big jump in time and we'd find out the intervening events little by little, but he decided that wasn't working and turned it into what is most of the last two books. What we finally got was something like the second major overhaul for these events, hence the publishing length.
What we got was written to be read the way the books are published. He did not write them as one, then simply pull them apart.
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In the end, they weren't written to be read chronologically, so why would reading the chapters that way be good?
They were written to be read chronologically, at least initially. When the book got too big to be published as a single volume, GRRM and the publisher decided to split it by POV, rather than chronologically. But, that was a compromise to get a book out, not the original intention.
It doesn't matter what he originally planned, they aren't written that way. When he split the books he reworked or rewrote most of what had already been written. If you followed his (not a)blog and updates you should know splitting it caused him a ton of headaches because it had to be redone for the new order. ...and if you really want to go back, you should know Feast and much of Dance were not supposed to be read chronologically in the true first place. There was supposed to be a big jump in time and we'd find out the intervening events little by little, but he decided that wasn't working and turned it into what is most of the last two books. What we finally got was something like the second major overhaul for these events, hence the publishing length.
What we got was written to be read the way the books are published. He did not write them as one, then simply pull them apart.
He did write them as one and pull them apart. He then did some additional editing and rewriting, but, the split was not made to serve his artistic vision, but to serve the needs of the publishing business. And the relative weakness of the last 2 books compared to the earlier novels is clearly related to that decision. It's my opinion that re-editing the 2 books together into a more chronological order would provide a better reading experience.
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He did not write them together, he started to. What is in Dance is not the same as what was originally written for Feast, he made it clear he had to rework it so that it would fit as the next book.
Your desire to edit them together willfully ignores that it still isn't his original intention to have this period as books. If you want his original intention you should try to weave these two books into thoughts of characters in the future books. That is why many think these books are weaker, they weren't part of the plan.
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He did not write them together, he started to. What is in Dance is not the same as what was originally written for Feast, he made it clear he had to rework it so that it would fit as the next book.
Your desire to edit them together willfully ignores that it still isn't his original intention to have this period as books. If you want his original intention you should try to weave these two books into thoughts of characters in the future books. That is why many think these books are weaker, they weren't part of the plan.
I acknowledge the original plan of a "5-year gap". I'm not ignoring it, I just don't think it matters. The decision to split the book was long after he'd given up on that plan and written much of the intervening chapters. Many of the chapters that ended up in ADwD were written to be included in the book that eventually came out as AFfC.
Frankly, I don't really care about his "original intention". I just think the books would flow better if the first part of ADwD were edited back into AFfC.
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I know, I've painfully followed the whole ordeal since Storm. Yes, he split a sizable portion of written manuscript to Dance, but that material was largely rewritten, it isn't what we would have read without the split. Maybe if the split never occurred things would be better, but trying to paste them together now would need a major overhaul to make work.
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Chalk up another "I want to read this" here. I'm currently only about a 3rd into a different series right now, and don't really feel like having two series to read through. Maybe in a year or so. From what I've heard about it (thank fuck no spoilers thus far, and mostly just a general description of it.), it seems pretty bad ass. So, yeah, I'll be looking forward to it. Gonna pass on watching the show, at least until I'm well into the books.
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but trying to paste them together now would need a major overhaul to make work.
We'll never know until we try. I've got scissors and a whole lot of scotch tape, here. Unfortunately my ADwD is the Kindle edition, so this might be kinda tricky.
;)
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q05CDcP8PM2qjcUD20eCFwaeMHzctqKnVKktKLjvlj4/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1
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Just hope Rickon was worth waiting for. That's all.
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Currently at about a quarter of A Clash of Kings. I don't read many books, only if I truly enjoy it, and this series has me on the edge of my seat.
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I am now approaching the end of the first book (Game Of Thrones). I'm enjoying the read immensely, 800 pages in less than two weeks isn't a speed I commonly reach. (to think that I spent a whole year reading Cosmos by Carl Sagan!)
My comment: Joffrey's the worst jerk ever. Asshole...
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Currently at about a quarter of A Clash of Kings. I don't read many books, only if I truly enjoy it, and this series has me on the edge of my seat.
The last half of that book is amazing. I read about 40% of it yesterday (according to my Kindle) and the last 10 today. I worked out that it took me about 2 hours to read 10%...
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My comment: Joffrey's the worst jerk ever. Asshole...
Yes. Yes, he is.
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The only info I've found online for a paperback release date of ADWD is October 2012.
WTF
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The only info I've found online for a paperback release date of ADWD is October 2012.
WTF
Unfortunately, the more popular a book is, the longer the publishers try to milk hardcover sales before releasing paperbacks. They might even put out a trade paperback before the massmarket paperback edition.
I got the Kindle edition of ADwD, but if I were going hardcopy, I'd buy a used hardback rather than wait for the paperback.
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Yeah, eBooks can save you some money. ZirconBlue, is lending enabled on the kindle version of A Dance with Dragons? You can lend your copy out to people for 14 days if it is.
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The only info I've found online for a paperback release date of ADWD is October 2012.
WTF
Unfortunately, the more popular a book is, the longer the publishers try to milk hardcover sales before releasing paperbacks. They might even put out a trade paperback before the massmarket paperback edition.
I got the Kindle edition of ADwD, but if I were going hardcopy, I'd buy a used hardback rather than wait for the paperback.
Yeah, but all my other copies are the normal paperbacks, and I'm an asshole completist that way and don't want anything in my collection that doesn't fit. I may see if I can check it out from the library to tide myself over.
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I have a better idea. Buy the entire series in hardcover.
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I have a better idea. Buy the entire series in hardcover.
I don't buy things twice.
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Do it.
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Yeah, eBooks can save you some money. ZirconBlue, is lending enabled on the kindle version of A Dance with Dragons? You can lend your copy out to people for 14 days if it is.
I'm new to the world of Kindle, so I don't even really know how lending works, yet. Would 14 days even be enough? ;)
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Finished A Clash of Kings 2 days ago, WHAT A BOOK!!
Currently waiting for A Storm of Swords, with pretty big expectations ;D
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Damn it feels good to be a Lannister
https://www.snorgtees.com/t-shirts/geek-nerd/damn-it-feels-good-to-be-a-lannister
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Finished A Clash of Kings 2 days ago, WHAT A BOOK!!
Currently waiting for A Storm of Swords, with pretty big expectations ;D
You are not prepared.
Damn it feels good to be a Lannister
https://www.snorgtees.com/t-shirts/geek-nerd/damn-it-feels-good-to-be-a-lannister
I would wear that shirt every day.
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Finished A Clash of Kings 2 days ago, WHAT A BOOK!!
Currently waiting for A Storm of Swords, with pretty big expectations ;D
You are not prepared.
Preparing yourself for it is impossible.
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Finished A Clash of Kings 2 days ago, WHAT A BOOK!!
Currently waiting for A Storm of Swords, with pretty big expectations ;D
You are not prepared.
Preparing yourself for it is impossible.
Exactly :lol
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Finished A Clash of Kings 2 days ago, WHAT A BOOK!!
Currently waiting for A Storm of Swords, with pretty big expectations ;D
You are not prepared.
Preparing yourself for it is impossible.
Exactly :lol
Well, I'm still waiting for it to arrive :lol
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I just finished AFFC, and will begin reading Dance shortly. Let's just say that I quite enjoyed Feast, although it was nowhere as good as SoS, which is the best "novel" I've read in a long time. Random comments concerning the events:
--Spoiler--
I am glad I will not be reading Cersei's thoughts for some time, I got really tired of that crazy bitch. And, I admit, I was close to tears at Master Aemon's death. He was one of my most beloved characters, and I was looking forward to seeing him confronting his great-gran-niece. She appears to be the last Targaryen alive, if we ignore the conspiracy theories (R+L=J). Not good.
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GRRM has posted a preview chapter for The Winds of Winter on his website:
https://georgerrmartin.com/if-sample.html
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Just finished A Storm of Swords, what an awesome book that was!
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Finished Dance with Dragons the other day. I'm still not sure how I feel about this series. Its seems long and complicated for the sake of being long and complicated. There are a few minor characters that I simply don't care all that much to read about. I trust that Martin will pull it all together and it will all make sense, but right now I feel like there are a few story arcs that are kind of unnecessary or are at least way too long.
I have two main questions/concerns:
1. Will Martin finish the series at all since he's on the older side and isn't sir speedy when it comes to writing these things?
2. Will the HBO series catch up to the most recent book and what will they do then?
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I'm two thirds of the way through AFFC and... well this book will be interesting how they're gonna translated into the show. I know Benioff and Weiss have said that they're not doing a straight book-to-season translation and it's more of the saga and that's why the Bloody Mummers and the Reeds haven't appeared but this book is gonna be... interesting.
And I've been thinking those two same things lordxizor. My hope is that GRRM focuses on finishing up the last two books and then moving on to writing anything else he wants. Doesn't he already have some hundreds of manuscript pages that he cut out of ADWD to use for TWoW?
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Doesn't he already have some hundreds of manuscript pages that he cut out of ADWD to use for TWoW?
Yes, he does. Unfortunately, he's also prone to rewrites. His publishers were worried about the length of aDwD, so Martin had to stop just short of the climax. He's already confirmed that tWoW will open with the two battles that aDwD spent hundreds of pages building up to. There won't be any more new POVs as he'll have his hands full just tying up all of the existing sub-plots in only two books, and both of those books will almost certainly have to be as long as aDwD. think he's also mentioned that he wants to explore some locales in the Land of Always Winter in the next book; he's described the unmapped region north of the wall as being the size of Greenland. :omg:
In fact, he's already done readings for several tWoW chapters. If you go on the Westeros.org forums, there are discussions about them.
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How many more books are there supposed to be?
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Two more.
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Please help.
The wait is getting unbearable and we probably still have 3 more years at the very least.
What do I do?
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Please help.
The wait is getting unbearable and we probably still have 3 more years at the very least.
What do I do?
Do extensive re-reads, spend some time on westeros.org trying to uncover unrealistic scheme or bashing the show producers. Otherwise, set your heart at peace, like I did, read the books again, like I'm going to, and pray Martin speeds up a bit this time :/
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Please help.
The wait is getting unbearable and we probably still have 3 more years at the very least.
What do I do?
Have you read the 3 Dunk & Egg novellas?
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Bash the tv show in every possible way.
Also, read other stuff. I'm still busy on ADWD, but I'm not that fast a reader, about halfway now, after about 1.5 months.
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Bash the tv show in every possible way.
Also, read other stuff. I'm still busy on ADWD, but I'm not that fast a reader, about halfway now, after about 1.5 months.
Didn't you like the second season?
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I stopped watching after the first. I did like it, but not very much. Things don't get explained properly and that starts at character's name, families and all that. You're missing out on pretty much the entire history, sideplots and theories. The books are so much better.
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I stopped watching after the first. I did like it, but not very much. Things don't get explained properly and that starts at character's name, families and all that. You're missing out on pretty much the entire history, sideplots and theories. The books are so much better.
The books are much better because they are books to be read actively, not a TV show to be rather passively watched. Feeding oneself is different than being fed.
I love the books to death, I see where you and all those who are critic towards the show come from, and yet enjoyed the first two seasons of GOT very much. I consider myself fortunate for this ;)
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I love the books to death, I see where you and all those who are critic towards the show come from, and yet enjoyed the first two seasons of GOT very much. I consider myself fortunate for this ;)
I feel the same way.
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Just got spoiled in a youtube comment, fml.
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I stopped watching after the first. I did like it, but not very much. Things don't get explained properly and that starts at character's name, families and all that. You're missing out on pretty much the entire history, sideplots and theories. The books are so much better.
That's the difference between books and film/TV. The shows explain enough to be TV shows.
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I'm like halfway through ADwD and had to bump this to say... what kinda of fucking mindset those one have to be in to come up with someone like Ramsay?!?!?!
I mean, if the RW wasn't sadistic enough!
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I stopped watching after the first. I did like it, but not very much. Things don't get explained properly and that starts at character's name, families and all that. You're missing out on pretty much the entire history, sideplots and theories. The books are so much better.
Those are pretty unrealistic expectations for a TV show. The levels of detail you can put into the two different mediums are very different.
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I'm like halfway through ADwD and had to bump this to say... what kinda of fucking mindset those one have to be in to come up with someone like Ramsay?!?!?!
I mean, if the RW wasn't sadistic enough!
Maybe you should avoid darker fantasies. I never thought of Ramsay as anything too extreme. :lol. Martin is fairly tame for disturbing, where he excels in the political underpinnings and intrigue.
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Well, it was more because how utterly psychologically destroyed Reek becomes. Though, Ramsay is a despicable character anyway.
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Those chapters are the best part of Dance in my opinion, and Dany's parts are awful :lol
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Agreed, Reek's arc has been the best part! Jon's and Dany's can be boiled down to the same thing, constant complaining! :lol
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Yeah, the Reek chapters were great. I found myself constantly looking forward to them.
The Dany chapters... god, it was like part of Wheel of Time found its way into the pages. Thankfully, with the few chapters he got, Barristan Selmy proved himself to be a true badass.
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I haven't looked forward to a Dany chapter since maybe the beginning of Storm of Swords.
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Honestly, the high points of Jon's and Dany's arcs were in ASoS (so far).
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Jon's arc in ADWD did not disappoint but I would agree with you.
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It got better towards the end, but those first chapters were is just constant complaining... ugh!
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Jon's arc in ADWD did not disappoint but I would agree with you.
Yeah, I agree.
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Jon's arc in ADWD did not disappoint but I would agree with you.
*Honest, spoiler-heavy input*
I thought it kind of sucked. If it had taken up a few chapters it would have been fine, but there was no need to fill up so much space with Jon being angsty about wildlings. Having the only important event in a character's arc be a cliffhanger is not a very good way to go about things, if you ask me. I don't think any better of the Daenarys arc. At this pace, he's not going to have the series done for quite a while, if he ever lives to finish it. What's the point of hearing about Hizzoo Yahtzee or whoever? Martin really, desperately needs a new editor, if you ask me. Any editor who let's an author meander for over a thousand pages and push all of the important events to the next book really isn't worth much.
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WELP I started reading the series a few days ago and I can't put the books down.
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:tup
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Re-reading.
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Re-reading.
Did you ever get Dance?
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Jon's arc in ADWD did not disappoint but I would agree with you.
*Honest, spoiler-heavy input*
I thought it kind of sucked. If it had taken up a few chapters it would have been fine, but there was no need to fill up so much space with Jon being angsty about wildlings. Having the only important event in a character's arc be a cliffhanger is not a very good way to go about things, if you ask me. I don't think any better of the Daenarys arc. At this pace, he's not going to have the series done for quite a while, if he ever lives to finish it. What's the point of hearing about Hizzoo Yahtzee or whoever? Martin really, desperately needs a new editor, if you ask me. Any editor who let's an author meander for over a thousand pages and push all of the important events to the next book really isn't worth much.
I'll reply to this in a non-spoiler way: I get the feeling that nearly everything Martin introduces and meanders about has a point, aside from the food. Take that red priest in Dance for example.
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I'll reply to this in a non-spoiler way: I get the feeling that nearly everything Martin introduces and meanders about has a point, aside from the food. Take that red priest in Dance for example.
I sure hope so, because there seemed to be a lot of pointless stuff in ADWD. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but I honestly found myself not wanting to finish it. Hopefully things pick up in the next one. And hopefully I won't be 40 when it comes out.
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Re-reading.
Did you ever get Dance?
No, but I believe it will be released soon in paperback.
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Bump for a not so new snippet from The Winds Of Winter.
SPOILER ALERT
Arianne chapter, discussing the coming of Jon Connington and A-VI to Westeros:
It was then that pasty, pudgy Teora raised her eyes from the creamcakes on her plate. "It is dragons."
"Dragons?" said her mother. "Teora, don't be mad."
"I'm not. They're coming."
"How could you possibly know that?" her sister asked, with a note of scorn in her voice. "One of your little dreams?"
Teora gave a tiny nod, chin trembling. "They were dancing. In my dream. And everywhere the dragons danced the people died."
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nevermind
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Martin had an update last month, he's about 1/4 of way on Winds of Winter. Dance was released two years ago with 100-200 pages of Winds of Winter already completed or worked on.
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We can just hope he found the right pace and will now have a few quiet years to finish the manuscript. The latest two have been hardly so. :-\
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I'm fine if he takes his time, it just fascinates me in relation to the tv series. I've never thought he would beat it to the end and it's looking more and more like that is correct. What I dearly hope does not happen is that he is rushed to finish it because of that issue.
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I wonder if he's shooting for around 1000 pages for the book, because if he is with the 200 pages he took out of ADwD then he's really written very little.
But I'm betting I'm wrong.
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He's shooting for 1500 manuscript pages, I think, and that is probably around Storm of Swords length. Already indicated he's not sure if. It will balloon bigger and need a similar split to happen.
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Just purchased these books, even though I am not a huge fantasy fan. Judging by their size, and my reading pace, I should be able to comment in this thread in about 17 years.
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Just finished reading aDwD after starting the series after the 2nd season of the TV show ended. I am blown away at the moment about what just happened at the end. Below are my thoughts and comments, spoilers below:
Dany's story kind of limped along and while what happened in Meereen ended with a bang, her overall story is still lingering. I can't believe what happened to Jon, I dont blame the guys of the nights watch, but I so badly wanted him to bring an army of wildlings down on Ramsay and maybe that will still happen... Varys and Migister Ilrryio play a huge role in the background of what is going on. I found that to be the most intriguing about the book. The deep underlyings of "the game of thrones". I found the show is showing this a lot and the books only just got to this. Selmy is a beast and I hope we get more of his POVs in the next book. I do wonder who will give us POVs from beyond the wall, Tormund? Mellisandre? I also wonder if the battle outside of winterfell actually happened. I totally get that Ramsay got Mance (disguised as the singer and the spearwives helped theon and jeyne escape) but did Mance tell Ramsay that Stannis had lightbringer and maybe he is bluffing that he won the battle? I hope Stannis is still alive with his army and the two ironborn. Also Davos' few POVs showed that Manderly is on the side of Stannis so I don't know.
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Just finished reading aDwD after starting the series after the 2nd season of the TV show ended. I am blown away at the moment about what just happened at the end. Below are my thoughts and comments, spoilers below:
Dany's story kind of limped along and while what happened in Meereen ended with a bang, her overall story is still lingering. I can't believe what happened to Jon, I dont blame the guys of the nights watch, but I so badly wanted him to bring an army of wildlings down on Ramsay and maybe that will still happen... Varys and Migister Ilrryio play a huge role in the background of what is going on. I found that to be the most intriguing about the book. The deep underlyings of "the game of thrones". I found the show is showing this a lot and the books only just got to this. Selmy is a beast and I hope we get more of his POVs in the next book. I do wonder who will give us POVs from beyond the wall, Tormund? Mellisandre? I also wonder if the battle outside of winterfell actually happened. I totally get that Ramsay got Mance (disguised as the singer and the spearwives helped theon and jeyne escape) but did Mance tell Ramsay that Stannis had lightbringer and maybe he is bluffing that he won the battle? I hope Stannis is still alive with his army and the two ironborn. Also Davos' few POVs showed that Manderly is on the side of Stannis so I don't know.
The outcome of the battle of ice is still uncertain, and one of the main loose eneds that will need to be tied up in the very first chapters of TWOW, pink letter and all. As for Jon, it's clear that he's not dead, or at least not gone for good like poor Robb and Ned are. He's the main character, we'll see more of him, in every sense possible. The Manderly chapters were just phenomenal, and completely justify the fact that the man has become the latest fan favourite! So, now we have to wait 2016 to see what's next.
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Haha, Martin is totally just trolling his fans now.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/02/new-game-of-thrones-book-_n_3200498.html
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Anyone think that Lady Stoneheart will be revealed at the end of Season 3? Catelyn's death/undoing was kind of downplayed as in the books she went insane. Thoughts?
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Yea I think that's a big possibility that she gets dragged out of the river and maybe found by Thoros to give the fans the hope of her being revived. That's a nice ending after what just happened. I've been thinking on how some of the storylines will end. Jon will get back to castle black I assume but do the wildings attack or do they just get to castle black and that's it. Do Sam and Gilly get through the wall or is their story done for the season? I think Brans would be done for the season. Dany probably starts her rule over Yunkai but not sure what else and in assuming yunkia takes over the place of meereen.
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Just finished aFfC. I'm kinda tired of the series but I feel like I need to read aDwD as well, now that I am at it.
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Just finished aFfC. I'm kinda tired of the series but I feel like I need to read aDwD as well, now that I am at it.
It gets better. AFFC has been a trying experience for many readers, myself included. :-\
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Just finished aFfC. I'm kinda tired of the series but I feel like I need to read aDwD as well, now that I am at it.
It gets better. AFFC has been a trying experience for many readers, myself included. :-\
I enjoy some storylines a lot Cersei, Jaime, all the Iron Island guys but others just bore the hell out of me Especially Brienne, good god I find her annoying. But overall it's just that fantasy isn't completely my thing and after 4500 pages of it, I feel like reading something different. I think I will read one or two different books now and then start with aDwD. It's not like I have to hurry up, seems like mr Martin doesn't writes very fast.
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Just finished aFfC. I'm kinda tired of the series but I feel like I need to read aDwD as well, now that I am at it.
Ah, so you knew what happens to Tywin when you wrote that about him over in tv show's thread. :lol That :slowclap: was because I thought you didn't know how close he was to getting offed.
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Just finished aFfC. I'm kinda tired of the series but I feel like I need to read aDwD as well, now that I am at it.
It gets better. AFFC has been a trying experience for many readers, myself included. :-\
I enjoy some storylines a lot Cersei, Jaime, all the Iron Island guys but others just bore the hell out of me Especially Brienne, good god I find her annoying. But overall it's just that fantasy isn't completely my thing and after 4500 pages of it, I feel like reading something different. I think I will read one or two different books now and then start with aDwD. It's not like I have to hurry up, seems like mr Martin doesn't writes very fast.
Did you noticed that Oberyn had poison Tywin? He truly got Elia's revenge!
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I must have missed that, how did he poison tywin? We all know the poison killed the mountain. And tyrion used the crossbow on tywin, but was the tip of the arrow poisoned?
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Tyrion knew to find Tywin on the privy, possibly because he had figured out the poisoning. The poisoning is only hinted at, but a great case has been compiled for it. There are just too many hints. Tyrion is the question, did he figure it out or not? If so, why still kill his father? Satisfaction? Covering Oberyn's tracks?
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Here, I found it:
https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/67678-oberyn-poisoned-tywin/
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Yeah, it's hinted at, never confirmed. But when Tyrion meets with Oberyn before the trial by combat they talk about different poisons and bottles that the Red Viper has in his room and there's mention of one poison who liquidates your bowels/intestines and leaves you smelling horribly afterwards.
And how Tyrion finds Tywin and the smell at his wake are strong indications that Oberyn did indeed poison him.
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Here, I found it:
https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/67678-oberyn-poisoned-tywin/
Holy shit!!!
user: Twelve Angry Nonmen
title: WE CANNOT REMEMBER THE VERDICT
:rollin :dangerwillrobinson: :rollin :splode: :rollin :dangerwillrobinson::rollin
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Ahhh yes. I definitely remember the talk of the smelly bowels and recall the red viper showing jamie the poisons but never put that together. That's awesome. There's so many things like that which I never notice but I read about them on westeros.org
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Yeah, there's so many thing I didn't figured out until this second time around reading the books!
Also, all the foreshadowing and little hints that they dropped from the start of AGoT that Ned isn't gonna make it out alive and about the RW in ASoS.
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I remember reading about the poisoning when the theory first came out. I was immediately sold on it! I just love the foreshadowing in the books, especially when it's sapiently concealed. Like the poetic washed ashore dragon sequence in AFFC.
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Just finished aFfC. I'm kinda tired of the series but I feel like I need to read aDwD as well, now that I am at it.
Ah, so you knew what happens to Tywin when you wrote that about him over in tv show's thread. :lol That :slowclap: was because I thought you didn't know how close he was to getting offed.
Ah, I thought it was because my favourite character is one which all my friends claim is quite evil :lol.
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Ok, despite my earlier prediction, it did not take forever to read these books. they are just so damn unputdownable. Yes, I just made that word up exclusively for this series. No idea how to sum up my thoughts in one post. These books are just marvelous.
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Ok, despite my earlier prediction, it did not take forever to read these books. they are just so damn unputdownable. Yes, I just made that word up exclusively for this series. No idea how to sum up my thoughts in one post. These books are just marvelous.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unputdownable
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I just read up on the R + L = J theory. Whoa. It all makes sense. Deep down I knew something was wrong with the story we were given, but I wouldn't have put that all together.
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There are a whole bunch of different theories out there. Some very plausible, others seem a bit of a stretch. Definitely adds to all the mystery and intrigue though!
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True, but the R + L = J theory is easily the best and makes the most sense. GRRM also stated that fans have already correctly theorized this, although I could totally seem him changing it now just to fuck with everyone.
Also, the publisher says WoW won't be out in 2015, but GRRM seemed to imply there was a chance for a 2015 release. I dont buy it and I wont get my hopes up. We all know we will learn the ending of the story through the show albeit through a different story path.
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True, but the R + L = J theory is easily the best and makes the most sense. GRRM also stated that fans have already correctly theorized this,
Did he say that? I know he said regarding all the theories out there that some fans have got things spot on, but when he said that (this was a few months ago) he didn't specify or even hint at which theories he was talking about.
The ones that make the most sense, like R + L = J, are therefore most likely to be correct (now that we know at least some are correct) but I'm not aware of him confirming any specifics since then?
although I could totally seem him changing it now just to fuck with everyone.
Well, when he made the comments I just mentioned, he specifically said that he wouldn't change it, as then the story would make less sense.
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True, but the R + L = J theory is easily the best and makes the most sense. GRRM also stated that fans have already correctly theorized this,
Did he say that? I know he said regarding all the theories out there that some fans have got things spot on, but when he said that (this was a few months ago) he didn't specify or even hint at which theories he was talking about.
The ones that make the most sense, like R + L = J, are therefore most likely to be correct (now that we know at least some are correct) but I'm not aware of him confirming any specifics since then?
although I could totally seem him changing it now just to fuck with everyone.
Well, when he made the comments I just mentioned, he specifically said that he wouldn't change it, as then the story would make less sense.
Sorry, I worded my original statement wrong. He did not confirm R + L = J. He did confirm that people have correctly theorized about the ending and/or Jon's true heritage but not which theory.
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Sorry, I worded my original statement wrong. He did not confirm R + L = J. He did confirm that people have correctly theorized about the ending and/or Jon's true heritage but not which theory.
Well, given how many random theories are there, that's not saying much. I agree R + L = J makes the most sense though.
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Sorry, I worded my original statement wrong. He did not confirm R + L = J. He did confirm that people have correctly theorized about the ending and/or Jon's true heritage but not which theory.
Well, given how many random theories are there, that's not saying much. I agree R + L = J makes the most sense though.
You are right.
Also to note, GRRM's original notes about the books were released online and there is a huge spoiler in them although his notes about the overall story have changed very much from what was actually in the books, it still seems likely that this spoiler could be true:
He stated clearly that five characters would survive and they would be Dany, Tyrion, Jon, Bran, and Arya
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Sorry, I worded my original statement wrong. He did not confirm R + L = J. He did confirm that people have correctly theorized about the ending and/or Jon's true heritage but not which theory.
Well, given how many random theories are there, that's not saying much. I agree R + L = J makes the most sense though.
You are right.
Also to note, GRRM's original notes about the books were released online and there is a huge spoiler in them although his notes about the overall story have changed very much from what was actually in the books, it still seems likely that this spoiler could be true:
He stated clearly that five characters would survive and they would be Dany, Tyrion, Jon, Bran, and Arya
I forgot about this thread.
I'm surprised it's that amount of characters surviving considering seven seems to be the recurring number theme. Just a thought.
I am finally speeding my way through ADWD. I should be finished with it next week sometime but right now am definitely safely ahead of whatever could happen in tomorrow's episode.
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Wow, there are some crazy theories out there.
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I stopped reading theories about a year ago. They're either wrong, and might disappoint you, or they're right, and then it won't surprise you.
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Wow, there are some crazy theories out there.
There are many theories out there. From the realistic and almost definite of R+L=J all the way to Varys is really Ned Stark. The intriguing part is that people know the books so well that even the less probably theories are backed up with a few facts. It's like saying a pepper is a fire engine because it's long and red. Well, there you have it. Two facts. It must be true.
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Wow, there are some crazy theories out there.
There are many theories out there. From the realistic and almost definite of R+L=J all the way to Varys is really Ned Stark. The intriguing part is that people know the books so well that even the less probably theories are backed up with a few facts. It's like saying a pepper is a fire engine because it's long and red. Well, there you have it. Two facts. It must be true.
Ser Pounce is the Prince that was Promised!!!
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He will save the Seven Kingdoms with one ferocious meow
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I read one today on the "Edlritch Apocalypse". Wow, that would be a significant change in tone for the series.
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Why did I click this thread hoping for an update on the next book?
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Why did I click this thread hoping for an update on the next book?
Not sure. It's George Martin, I wouldn't expect another update until this time next decade.
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That newest Aeron chapter lends a lot of weight to the eldritch theory.
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That newest Aeron chapter lends a lot of weight to the eldritch theory.
I refuse to read these pre-release chapters, they will just make me want more. I can't take such a tease.
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A large part of me wants to read this Eldritch theory, but after reading the R+L=J theory and how it made me think it has to be true, I don't want any more "spoilers." But I agree with you cram, I will not read any of these chapters.
Assuming GRRM has at least half the book done, why doesn't the first half get released as a tide-me-over to catch up a bit to the show? When I travelled to New Zealand I noticeded all of the ASOIAF books were sold in parts, as opposed to 5 books.
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I read it.. very Lovecraftian. That's all I'll say. :lol
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A large part of me wants to read this Eldritch theory, but after reading the R+L=J theory and how it made me think it has to be true, I don't want any more "spoilers." But I agree with you cram, I will not read any of these chapters.
Assuming GRRM has at least half the book done, why doesn't the first half get released as a tide-me-over to catch up a bit to the show? When I travelled to New Zealand I noticeded all of the ASOIAF books were sold in parts, as opposed to 5 books.
But was the book finished before it was seperated? I actually have two half books for Dance of Dragons, but I assume you wouldn't be able to do this without having the full books written, or at least written enough to break down.
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I'm sure Martin doesn't write the books strictly chronological, so cutting it in half would be a problem with timelines. And we had something like that with Feast and Dance, leading to books which are missing whole character arcs.
Separation of books is done in some countries by the publisher, but only after the book is finished and released. For instance in Germany every book is separated in two parts, leading to ten books now, instead of five. Not sure if that's the reason, but with each of the ten books sold at a normal prize they can double their income.
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I read it.. very Lovecraftian. That's all I'll say. :lol
Yep. And there is some precedent, given some of the location names and histories given for some of the Far East places in The World of Ice & Fire.
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I read it.. very Lovecraftian. That's all I'll say. :lol
Yep. And there is some precedent, given some of the location names and histories given for some of the Far East places in The World of Ice & Fire.
Yes. He has mentioned on more than one occasion that Lovecraft has influenced him greatly.
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That would lead me to believe that there is a significant possibility for shit to get really fucked up.
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Separation of books is done in some countries by the publisher, but only after the book is finished and released. For instance in Germany every book is separated in two parts, leading to ten books now, instead of five. Not sure if that's the reason, but with each of the ten books sold at a normal prize they can double their income.
Sometimes it's also the convenience problem. I've got ASOS and ADWD in paperbacks split in halves and even then they're pretty massive books. I think the full ADWD paperback would be even bigger and inconvenient to read / carry around.
Curiously, when Brandon Sanderson (another fantasy writer) turned in his initial Words of Radiance script to the publisher (Tor Books), they said they can't print a book so large because the binding machine just won't allow so many pages. So there's that too.
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I'm sure Martin doesn't write the books strictly chronological, so cutting it in half would be a problem with timelines. And we had something like that with Feast and Dance, leading to books which are missing whole character arcs.
I understand that, but my point was more if the books aren't finished, then he may not have the exact direction of each character down to want to release half a book. Might lead to inconsistencies if he isn't finished.
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Large volumes are a problem to print and bind, that's right. But the german editions are also separated as ebooks, and that for me makes no sense.
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I just started reading A Game Of Thrones and I'm so glad it's as engrossing as I hoped. I love the show but I usually get a little bored with the fantasy genre in general when it comes to books. I said this in the GOT show thread but I actually don't mind that I know the major plot points as it is allowing me to really absorb all of the nuances of the world that are referenced in the books. Usually getting bombarded with dozens of characters and places and trying to connect the backstories overwhelms the hell out of me.
One thing that is amusing me is how young the characters are. I know we're around six years into the show but does anyone know how much time in general passes between the very beginning and where the show/books are? Dany being 13 and Robb/Jon being 14 is really perplexing me since they're essentially leading armies shortly after. Is a year in this universe a much longer measure of time than a year in our normal timeline?
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No, an Earth year and a Terros year are roughly equivalent, though I'm not sure where the Terrosi get their definition of a year from without regular seasons.
Re: their ages, remember that A) Dany and Robb both have older, more experienced military advisors and B) make a bunch of stupid-ass decisions anyway.
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Makes sense although the show has got my vision kind of warped since you have these mid-20s people playing characters that are supposed to be ten years younger. It works for Joffery, Sansa, and Arya but not the others. And Rickon is 3 in the books? He must be 13-14 years old in the show.
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Yeah the show aged everyone up basically so Dany would be legal :lol
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Considering what happens in the first season I don't blame them. Another thing I like with reading the books is that whole Lyanna thing makes way more sense. I know the show was trying to reintroduce her to be as important as she needs to be but I think it was a big whiff on their part for the more casual viewers who can generally follow the plotline presented in the show. A couple of flashbacks didn't really get the point of "hey this is Ned's sister" across although the transition scene from the baby to Jon was well done. Enough to get the point but it seems like one of those things that really pays off if you're invested in it.
I love the humor in the books too. I burst out laughing when Renly left the tent, himself cracking up about "Lion's Tooth".
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The ages are much older in the show, but I never thought much about that. Mostly because the actions taken by the characters didn't seem to have age be a factor. Now that the actors/actresses have aged with the show, it feels right as well.
I read the books between season 2 and 3 and think the books added so much more than the show, but also think knowing the show helped in understanding the books.
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Just a polite request to keep any discussion from seasons 5 and 6 out of this thread. I watched the show up until season 4 but had to stop because I heard a few plot lines in season 5 move past what we know from A Dance With Dragons.
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Just a polite request to keep any discussion from seasons 5 and 6 out of this thread. I watched the show up until season 4 but had to stop because I heard a few plot lines in season 5 move past what we know from A Dance With Dragons.
A lot of season 5 and 6 are still based on the books although many storylines have been spoiled or moved beyonf
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Pretty loosely based. That whole Dorne plotline in S5 was a joke.
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Just finished AGOT. The next two I ordered can't come here fast enough.
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Just finished AGOT. The next two I ordered can't come here fast enough.
In the meantime, there are places to read them online for free if you can't wait much longer.
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I'll wait a little since I have other things to catch up on TV wise.
I noticed that season 1 of the show was pretty much the entire book so I'm excited to get into newer storylines and characters. I already know a little bit about where the last books left certain characters after talking to people but I know that there are a few major characters that the show doesn't even touch on.
Also are the supplementary stories (Hedge Knight, etc) worth reading? If so, should I read them a certain point of the books? My landlord has the collection and has offered to let me borrow it.
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I'll wait a little since I have other things to catch up on TV wise.
I noticed that season 1 of the show was pretty much the entire book so I'm excited to get into newer storylines and characters. I already know a little bit about where the last books left certain characters after talking to people but I know that there are a few major characters that the show doesn't even touch on.
Also are the supplementary stories (Hedge Knight, etc) worth reading? If so, should I read them a certain point of the books? My landlord has the collection and has offered to let me borrow it.
I believe those stories take place a few decades before ASOIAF so you can probably read them at any time.
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I might advise reading them as soon as possible. They are actually important to Bran's story ;)
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The Dunk and Egg books are? Hmm. I'll have to go back and re-read them.
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I'll wait a little since I have other things to catch up on TV wise.
I noticed that season 1 of the show was pretty much the entire book so I'm excited to get into newer storylines and characters. I already know a little bit about where the last books left certain characters after talking to people but I know that there are a few major characters that the show doesn't even touch on.
Also are the supplementary stories (Hedge Knight, etc) worth reading? If so, should I read them a certain point of the books? My landlord has the collection and has offered to let me borrow it.
I believe those stories take place a few decades before ASOIAF so you can probably read them at any time.
Actually, around 100 years prior. I like them a lot. Especially The Hedge Knight.
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The Dunk and Egg books are? Hmm. I'll have to go back and re-read them.
How many eyes does Lord Bloodraven have?
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I forget, did Tyrion have his clansmen army in the show? I don't seem to remember them but it's been a few years since I saw the first few seasons.
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I forget, did Tyrion have his clansmen army in the show? I don't seem to remember them but it's been a few years since I saw the first few seasons.
Yes
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Either I really sped through the first three seasons or the show didn't do them justice but the Brotherhood Without Banners stuff in the books is so much fun.
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Definitely better in the books than the show.
But that is most things, I suppose.
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Almost done with Storm of Swords but I think this is my personal favorite of the three. There's just so many big and little awesome moments. I'm a little bummed to see that the Dany stuff has become as dreadfully boring as it has become in the show though.
My landlord told me how AFFC is structured so I'm hoping the new main characters are as good as the ones that will be absent.
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That remains a matter of some debate.
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When the topic went up I thought there was some news about the Winds of Winter. Damn you all. :)
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When the topic went up I thought there was some news about the Winds of Winter. Damn you all. :)
That happened with me for a few times, but now I know better.
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I'll update the thread's title when that news comes out don't worry :lol
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I can already tell in the first 100 pages the tone of this book is going to be...different. It's good to get some Dorne stuff, though.
On a side note the amount of times Harrenhal is passed around or someone is named it's Lord cracks me up. The trophy nobody really wants.
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I can already tell in the first 100 pages the tone of this book is going to be...different. It's good to get some Dorne stuff, though.
On a side note the amount of times Harrenhal is passed around or someone is named it's Lord cracks me up. The trophy nobody really wants.
The curse of Harrenhal :lol
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Almost done with Storm of Swords but I think this is my personal favorite of the three. There's just so many big and little awesome moments.
Yeah Storm of Swords is easily the strongest book. And I think they did a lot of that stuff well in the show too - season 4 was easily the strongest.
I'm a little bummed to see that the Dany stuff has become as dreadfully boring as it has become in the show though.
Yeah her story is really quite dull unfortunately. Purely speculation, but it's almost like the story kept expanding and GRRM kept thinking of new characters and ideas to bring in, and so he needed to stretch Dany's story out for longer.
My landlord told me how AFFC is structured so I'm hoping the new main characters are as good as the ones that will be absent.
I'd be interested to hear what you think. AFFC is shorter than the others, while ADWD is longer (I think) so it ends up averaging out. Personally, despite some flaws (and some absent characters), I really like AFFC, as some of the plot lines felt very focused and there was some build up and great climax at the end.
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Winds of Winter = New Tool album
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I mostly can't really tell AFFC and ADWD apart since I looked up a chronological reading order online and read them at the same time.
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My landlord told me how AFFC is structured so I'm hoping the new main characters are as good as the ones that will be absent.
I'd be interested to hear what you think. AFFC is shorter than the others, while ADWD is longer (I think) so it ends up averaging out. Personally, despite some flaws (and some absent characters), I really like AFFC, as some of the plot lines felt very focused and there was some build up and great climax at the end.
Yea, my read through of AFFC was pretty boring. I didn't enjoy it so much and thought all the new characters and lack of main characters was a big turn off. However, while I never did a second read through, I did go back and read through different chapters and was able to enjoy them a lot more knowing where the story was already going and having those initial (uhhh who and what is going on) moments being in my past. I always tell myself I need to read this whole book again, but I haven't read much of anything at all lately.
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My landlord told me how AFFC is structured so I'm hoping the new main characters are as good as the ones that will be absent.
I'd be interested to hear what you think. AFFC is shorter than the others, while ADWD is longer (I think) so it ends up averaging out. Personally, despite some flaws (and some absent characters), I really like AFFC, as some of the plot lines felt very focused and there was some build up and great climax at the end.
Almost three hundred pages left but the book is reading, at worst, a smidge duller than the others. The Samwell chapters are pretty much the only boring parts and the Iron Island stuff is pretty interesting. I was hoping for more Ayra chapters.
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I don't want to completely spoil it since I just started ADWD but was Thoros telling the truth that Beric Donarrion was dead in giving life to "Lady Stoneheart"? There's always a mention of a one-eyed man in the group so did he just give up his leadership? I know there was that conversation that Arya had that it had becoming more taxing to bring Beric back to life.
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I don't want to completely spoil it since I just started ADWD but was Thoros telling the truth that Beric Donarrion was dead in giving life to "Lady Stoneheart"? There's always a mention of a one-eyed man in the group so did he just give up his leadership? I know there was that conversation that Arya had that it had becoming more taxing to bring Beric back to life.
I had thought he had died. I don't recall any fan theories about him being alive either, but maybe if there are clues then it could be possible.
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I totally forgot about this in the show but out of all the great moments in the books Jon Snow executing Janos Slynt may be the most badass I've read up to this point.
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That's because the show version of that scene sucked.
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The scene also didn't have the inside dialogue of Jon Snow telling himself to kill the boy and awaken the man inside.
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The fact that it dropped the fakeout with the rope and made him ask Olly to fetch him his sword instead of for Edd to fetch him a block...
Ugh
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The scene also didn't have the inside dialogue of Jon Snow telling himself to kill the boy and awaken the man inside.
The show had that coming from Maester Aemon since you can't explain inner thoughts on TV which makes sense to have it come from him as well.
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Finally finishing up ADOD after a month or so of a lull. The story really isn't sprawling as much as people were letting on although I can see how it's getting slightly less manageable. Speaking of characters that don't show up on the show I found it funny how quickly Quentyn Martell's storyline was tossed aside once he got to Meereen. Not that it was terribly interesting but him and his crew show up at the worst time and Dany just kinda goes "oh...you can have some guest rooms I suppose".
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Thematically that's sorta the point of Quent's arc. He is told by everyone he's the hero, goes on this hero's journey, but deep down believes he isn't really the hero, and... turns out to be right :(
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Just getting caught up on Aegon's storyline as well. I really like Jon Connington but with only 150 pages left I feel like I won't have much more of it.
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Finished up a couple of nights ago so now I'm part of the group of miserable bastards waiting for the next book. I'll have to borrow the Hedge Knight book from my landlord some time even if it is only to fill in some backstory.
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Yeah, I still need to read those stories.
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New Song of Ice and Fire book due out this fall!
https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/25/17280908/george-r-r-martin-grrm-game-of-thrones-song-of-ice-and-fire
Made you look!
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No WoW in 2018... no surprise. Although the fact he keeps churning out other related books makes me really uninterested when I feel like I should want to read this. I just don't want to support him if he isn't going to finish what he started.
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A coworker and I were discussing how all these websites are going to come up with corny "made you look!" headlines with the exact same joke about this new book.
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Obviously all those websites are copying me.
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You're killin' me, Georgie..
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The scene also didn't have the inside dialogue of Jon Snow telling himself to kill the boy and awaken the man inside.
A comment on your avatar. You need to get rid of Harvey. He is a complete douche. Can't stand him after the first month of the Mets season! I really wanted him to be comeback player of the year but he is a narcissistic fool.
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Harvey who? That's not Robert DeNiro?!
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Haha it kind of looks like him doesn't it?
The scene also didn't have the inside dialogue of Jon Snow telling himself to kill the boy and awaken the man inside.
A comment on your avatar. You need to get rid of Harvey. He is a complete douche. Can't stand him after the first month of the Mets season! I really wanted him to be comeback player of the year but he is a narcissistic fool.
I keep forgetting to change it. Once I find a picture that jumps out at me I'll do it.
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Has anybody asked him point blank (but nicely) what's his best guess when he will finish WoW?
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He has said ”this year” pretty much every year since 2014 or something, eventually people got the message that it’s not worth asking because he can’t tell.
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I think it's 50/50 at best he ever finished the books. I'm guessing with the popularity of the show that he may no longer feel it's all that urgent to finish books when everyone knows what happens. Or will know once the show finishes up.
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I don't think he will answer the question if you ask directly.
Also, I think he may be on board with HBO to do a spin off series so I put it closer to 10% that he ever finishes the series and 40% that he finishes WoW (since he actually has written a lot of it apparently, but where's the progress?).
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Art is done when it's done. It's not something you can put a timeline on, contractual obligations aside. So I am willing to give Martin some leeway in deciding when he is done with his art and that it isn't fair for others to put a time constraint on his creation. At the same time, as a fan of the books I can't help but say c'mon man.
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2/3 of the way through A Feast for Crows. The Jamie, Cersei, Brienne and Arya chapters are the only ones keeping my interest. I don't really have any interest in the Greyjoy kingsmoot or the things happening in Dorne.
I know that the show was criticized by fans for how they handled Dorne, but so far, it doesn't seem like much is happening aside from a failed plot to install Myrcella as the queen. Once that plot was foiled, the chapters seem to have disappeared for a while...which isn't bothering me one bit.
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I think it's 50/50 at best he ever finished the books. I'm guessing with the popularity of the show that he may no longer feel it's all that urgent to finish books when everyone knows what happens. Or will know once the show finishes up.
I'd be willing to bet that, since the show has already passed him up, that he has gone back and re-written A LOT and that is what has delayed this so much.
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The Dorne situation gets a bit more interesting in Dance. Well, I'm caught up now. Joining the rest of you in eager anticipation of book 6
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It's really not that eager for me now. If it comes out, great, I'll buy it (I'm not buying the side-stories and history books though), if not, oh well.
Although I have a bet with my friend about which book will be released first, Winds of Winter or Doors of Stone. So if TWOW comes out sooner than later, at least I get to win a bet.
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Really wacky theory, but do you think he's secretly finished it a while ago and it was really book 7 he was finishing up and maybe is making plans to have them released together to coincide with the last season?
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That would be nice, but no way I believe that. ;D
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I could care less about the books at this point. The show is so amazing and that will be my go to for GOT entertainment. The books are good but I have no interest in an unfinished story.
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I read the books up until Dance Of Dragons, and I loved them all, although the first three are much better than the last two.
Then I watched the first two seasons of GoT and really liked it, but thought that the books were still better. Because of that I put the show on hold, I wanted to read the end of the story in the books first and then watch the whole show.
Now I think I will watch the show when the finale has aired.
Of course I will also read the books when/if they are finished but I'm not longer eagerly anticipating them.
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I would solove to read the end of the books especially since the show has gone on to become something fairly different as the show went past the books. The books would offer a different story path which would be really cool... but as time goes by, the less I care about it. When I finished reading the books after season 2 of the show aired, I was so excited and loved reading up on news of the book's progress... but there's only so much I can care. I'll buy it if it comes and probably love reading it, but my anticipation is increasingly decreasing.
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Geez, I disappear for a while and come back to phrases like increasingly decreasing. :lol
I watch a lot of the YouTube videos which talk about different theories so I'm exceedingly curious about where the book storylines are going. The show left out so much that matters. I'm excited about the final season of the show but I'm more excited about the last two books. The book version is more important to me. They're George's creations and what he does with the characters comes first. Not that the show characters don't matter. At the same time, there are some things in the books that I would love to have seen in the show. Not necessarily big parts either. For example, I love the part in the book when Sam leaves the dining hall and Jon and Ghost follow him. Sam starts to cry and as he's doing so Ghost licks his tears away. Sam screams at first but then starts to laugh. I just find that to be a really nice moment and would have loved to have seen it acted out. There are a few others like that. Alas.
I'm convinced GRRM is writing the last two books at the same time. He's finishing up so many different plots that he probably wants to make sure he doesn't release TWoW and then want to change something while writing ADoS. Everything comes to an end now.
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I'm convinced GRRM is writing the last two books at the same time. He's finishing up so many different plots that he probably wants to make sure he doesn't release TWoW and then want to change something while writing ADoS. Everything comes to an end now.
I've got a bad feeling GRRM doesn't give a shit anymore since the show finished up the series and the books will never be completed. I hope I'm wrong though.
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I'm convinced GRRM is writing the last two books at the same time. He's finishing up so many different plots that he probably wants to make sure he doesn't release TWoW and then want to change something while writing ADoS. Everything comes to an end now.
I've got a bad feeling GRRM doesn't give a shit anymore since the show finished up the series and the books will never be completed. I hope I'm wrong though.
Yea, I don't have a positive feeling about the books and have lost hope. It would be really great if that were true though and surprise, not only is TWOW done, but we'll be getting ADOS shortly after. One can dream.
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When he released A Feast For Crows, the next installment, A Dance Of Dragons, was already partly written, but it took another six years to finish it. I don't believe that he will finish the series shortly after releasing The Winds Of Winter. I'm not sure I believe that the series will be finished at all. :sad:
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I'm about halfway through A Dance with Dragons and have become so tired of Stannis. By this time in the show, they kill him off, which I thought was a great cap to his story and character. You tried, you failed. Bye Bye. But no, GRRM confirms him to still be alive in the books (haven't read that far yet...they've just stalled in their march to Winterfell), so we'll be treated to more whining about how he deserves the throne and needs allies blah blah blah.
Dude, just give up. It's been four books now and you haven't even made it to Kings Landing, though other characters have traveled circles around you.
I enjoy reading the books, but the show came first to me. Knowing that GRRM divulged the final plot details and ending points for the characters to the show, I'll accept that as the official end to the story, until he decides to put out the rest on his own.
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Just picked up Book 1 (A game of thrones). Very excited to start reading this series
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Enjoy! It is quite the journey!
And damn you for posting in this thread and making me think there was an update on Book 6.
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Enjoy it! Man, I can't believe some bored employee just allowed me to check that book out of the library at 14 :lol my life is much better for it, but I remember reading all the sex scenes and being like... what the fffffffff... this isn't Lord of the Rings! :eek