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So I've checked and there doesn't seem to be a thread for these guys??
I'm really digging them lately and also it seems they may have a new album coming out this year or early next:
https://www.metalsucks.net/2017/02/07/the-ocean-are-working-on-a-new-album-release-live-video-for-rhyacian/ (https://www.metalsucks.net/2017/02/07/the-ocean-are-working-on-a-new-album-release-live-video-for-rhyacian/)
Discuss away
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please give me a new album
Also Pelagial is boss and the second disc of Precambrian is pretty boss too
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please give me a new album
Also Pelagial is boss and the second disc of Precambrian is pretty boss too
Yep, Pelagial is great. I've checked out Heliocentric and that was also great. Think I'll listen to their other albums over the next 24 hours and find out what else is great :metal
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Parama, have you listened to the pre-Precambrian albums and are they worth a pop?
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The pre-Precambrian stuff is more like disc 1 than 2, but they still get experimental. Fluxion is one of my favourites along with Pelagial.
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I'm probably just going to work my way backwards from Pelagial :metal
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I've tried listening to their first two albums before but I couldn't even finish either :lol
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I've tried listening to their first two albums before but I couldn't even finish either :lol
The last song on Fluxion is the best one!
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I've tried listening to their first two albums before but I couldn't even finish either :lol
Same for me, but for pre-Heliocentric albums. Maybe in the future I will try again to listen to Precambrian.
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Pelagial :heart
The instrumental album is pretty awesome too!
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Pelagial was my first exposure to them, and I loved it. It sounds amazing. I have Anthropocentric and Heliocentric as well, and those are solid as well. Need to listen to those records more often, actually. Haven't gone back to check out anything from Precambrian and back.
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So apparently they have repressed Pelagial
https://pelagic-records.com/product/the-ocean-pelagial-4x10-lp/ (https://pelagic-records.com/product/the-ocean-pelagial-4x10-lp/)
I'm very, very tempted by this. I need to boost the vinyl collection and what better place to start?
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So this is pretty cool :corn
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156472923882627&id=47708572626 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156472923882627&id=47708572626)
Don't think they have announced a date for the new album yet but really hoping it'll make it this year.
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First new track off the upcoming album I think.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156743401587627&id=47708572626 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156743401587627&id=47708572626)
I can't listen to this right now but will as soon as I am able. Don't know if they've given a release date yet but will investigate when I get home :metal
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First new track off the upcoming album I think.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156743401587627&id=47708572626 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156743401587627&id=47708572626)
I can't listen to this right now but will as soon as I am able. Don't know if they've given a release date yet but will investigate when I get home :metal
That's a Pelagial outtake coming out on a label compilation. It's pretty great.
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First new track off the upcoming album I think.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156743401587627&id=47708572626 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156743401587627&id=47708572626)
I can't listen to this right now but will as soon as I am able. Don't know if they've given a release date yet but will investigate when I get home :metal
That's a Pelagial outtake coming out on a label compilation. It's pretty great.
Oh :blush I didn't realise that...
Talking of The Ocean, what are your opinions on Fluxion? Do you prefer the original recording or the re-released version?
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Dammit y'all got me excited :(
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Dammit y'all got me excited :(
A new song from their best album isn't exciting?!
what are your opinions on Fluxion? Do you prefer the original recording or the re-released version?
I've only heard the re-release. It's fantastic imo. I like it far more than Aeolian.
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New album title I'm guessing (hoping) (https://www.facebook.com/theoceancollective/posts/10157170206782627)
Bring it!
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New album title I'm guessing (hoping) (https://www.facebook.com/theoceancollective/posts/10157170206782627)
Bring it!
If this is true, color me excited.
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GOD YES
2018 is gonna have new intronaut, new east of the wall, AND new the ocean? it's getting hot in here, huh, whew
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So it'll be a similar concept to Precambrian, I imagine?
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So it'll be a similar concept to Precambrian, I imagine?
Somewhere between Precambrian and Heliocentric, both conceptually and musically.
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Anyone hyped for new music by The Ocean? :metal
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Anyone hyped for new music by The Ocean? :metal
As sure as the sea is wet and has oceanic divisions of depth levels :neverusethis:
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So, they’re releasing two albums?
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So, they’re releasing two albums?
Eventually, yes. But the one that has been recorded is just part 1.
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Permian: The Great Dying (https://open.spotify.com/album/2wjKFoNnyZz7RqArUtF4k2?si=YiEj6-eFSoORB9TnC67oSQ)
Spotify link, available on Wednesday your local time. Taken off Phanerozoic I: Palaeozoic.
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Goddammit I'm so ready
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Judging from the title it'll be the final track of Phanerozoic I. Already sort of got that idea from the end of the song being intentionally mixed to the point of clipping :P
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The more I hear from this band the more I'm convinced that Pelagial was a massive fluke. :-\
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The more I hear from this band the more I'm convinced that Pelagial was a massive fluke. :-\
How exactly did you come to this conclusion?
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Sounds really good, Loïc's clean vocals in particular are just amazing. I'm definitely missing the production of Pelagial, though.
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The more I hear from this band the more I'm convinced that Pelagial was a massive fluke. :-\
How exactly did you come to this conclusion?
Pelagial's the first album I heard from them and I instantly loved it. To this day it might be my favorite concept album. The concept is great and they executed it super well - the music is varied, has a lot of emotion, and the flow and pacing of the entire record is fantastic. I love how it gets progressively darker as the record goes on (the sudden turn the album takes right before Signals of Anxiety starts still gives me chills), and the ending is super satisfying not only because it's fittingly the heaviest and darkest song on the album, but the entire record was building up to it the entire time.
Anyways, with how much I loved that record, I've tried checking their other stuff out several times and each time I've been really disappointed. Neither part of Precambrian did anything for me, and Heliocentric just felt like a bunch of dry, sterile, mid-tempo nothingness. I'm still going to check out the new record when it comes out, but this song just sounded like more Heliocentric to me. If it's actually supposed to be about the Permian-Triassic extinction event, basically the most apocalyptic event in the history of the planet so far, why does it sound so reserved? What happened to the earth-shattering emotion and heaviness of the last two songs on Pelagial? *Those* songs sound like the entire fucking world is ending. Wouldn't that have been so fitting for a concept like this? The intentional clipping during the end is neat, but it's not enough, and Devise by David Maxim Micic did the same thing but a billion times better. I don't know, maybe I need to give the rest of their discography more of a chance, but compared to my first experience with the band it just feels so lackluster.
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Anyways, with how much I loved that record, I've tried checking their other stuff out several times and each time I've been really disappointed. Neither part of Precambrian did anything for me, and Heliocentric just felt like a bunch of dry, sterile, mid-tempo nothingness. I'm still going to check out the new record when it comes out, but this song just sounded like more Heliocentric to me. If it's actually supposed to be about the Permian-Triassic extinction event, basically the most apocalyptic event in the history of the planet so far, why does it sound so reserved? What happened to the earth-shattering emotion and heaviness of the last two songs on Pelagial? *Those* songs sound like the entire fucking world is ending. Wouldn't that have been so fitting for a concept like this?
I'm sort of in the same boat as you, Pelagial was the first album I heard and it's absolutely their best. But instead of thinking it's a fluke, I view it as a creative peak that is likely to result in higher quality than albums prior to Pelagial. As for Permian being like Heliocentric, the melody lines are far too big for it to be a legit comparison. It sounds more like a cross of Pelagial and Precambrian (Proterozoic), and at this point I'm perfectly fine with that. I'll reflect on why it seems relatively uplifting compared to the lyrical theme once I've heard the full album (heck, we even have a II coming up).
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But instead of thinking it's a fluke, I view it as a creative peak that is likely to result in higher quality than albums prior to Pelagial.
Yeah, I'm hoping for that too. This single doesn't have me all that optimistic, but hey, singles often aren't among the best songs on their respective albums so anything could happen.
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i will say that on first listen it isn't blowing me away but it seems solid
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I'll reflect on why it seems relatively uplifting compared to the lyrical theme once I've heard the full album (heck, we even have a II coming up).
I didn't even have to wait that long for Robin Staps to shed some light on this: human point of view. At points of the song the lyrics could be interpreted as Earth talking to humanity, how it would "kill to relieve a load". But it hasn't quite happened yet.
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Devonian: Nascent (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9F-Nf3SWtc)
I have a feeling some people are going to like the familiar voice of... (clickbait)
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Im at work :sadpanda:
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I got super excited when I was told who was singing on this track the first time, but when I heard it thought the guest spot doesn't add much, actually sounded very similar to Loïc from what I remember to the point where the guest spot seemed kinda useless.
Great track though
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I'm really not sure about this album so far. The last song was pretty good, particularly vocally, but nothing mindblowing. And this one is the same, only without the great vocals. Musically everything feels very plodding, although I will say the section at around 7:00 on this one is pretty cool.
I don't know. Maybe Robin should write all the albums like instrumentals and then have Loic add vocals after. Maybe that's the magic of Pelagial. I guess I should have expected this when Robin described this album as picking up where Precambrian left off, since Precambrian is by and large not very good. At least the vocals will be better this time.
I don't know, I'm not trying to be negative. I still love the band and I'll buy this regardless, but from the very first bit of Pelagial you could tell it was something special, and I'm just really not getting that sense here.
Also, Jonas Renkse?
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Interesting, Precambrian is probably my favourite by them and arguably the fan favourite. But of course that's what happens when a band releases something as special as Pelagial, the fanbase gets divided a bit more while before that they were mostly sludgy and posty rather than proggy.
I don't know. Maybe Robin should write all the albums like instrumentals and then have Loic add vocals after.
I never asked about Phanerozoic specifically but I am pretty sure this is still the case, buuut they will be doing an AMA on Reddit (/r/progmetal) very soon (currently planned on the 11th) so if you want to ask anything directly to the bandmembers it's the perfect opportunity to find out :tup
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So the new album is pretty damn close to exactly what I expected. Robin Staps's significant development as a songwriter makes this easily their second best behind Pelagial, and the occasional Precambrian-isms work really well (direct reference to Cryogenian being the most obvious). Tracks 5 and 6 need to grow on me more but otherwise this is brilliant.
EDIT: The Cryogenian musical theme is actually reprised throughout the album. Here's a pretty in-depth album review discussing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noCvkDVXos0
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So this album ended up being a lot better than I expected.
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Came across this not-so-recent interview by The Metal Tris: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybUf8ErWW-U
Phanerozoic II (already mixed) will cover both Mesozoic and Cenozoic eras on double vinyl, so I'm expecting over an hour of new music.
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Nice. The first part was quite good, so I'm looking forward to this.
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:corn :corn
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The trailer of the first single's music video (the one about the Mesozoic era) is already up btw (https://www.reddit.com/r/ANormalDayInRussia/comments/bhv5rc/russian_jurassic_park/)
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:rollin
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So the new monster 13 and a half minute lead single (ft. Renkse) just dropped, thoughts? It's been tough to keep my mouth shut about this one, but I really think they outdid themselves on this song
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I totally hadn't twigged there was a new Ocean album coming at all, that's great! Not sure I'll listen to the single, I like to just immerse myself in their music so I'll probably wait for the album!
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Yeah, that is fantastic. Those people who wanted some brutality into describing an extinction event now got it.
Tracklist:
1. Triassic
2. Jurassic | Cretaceous (13:24)
3. Palaeocene
4. Eocene
5. Oligocene
6. Miocene | Pliocene
7. Pleistocene
8. Holocene
Release on September 25th
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what the FUCK
why is this so good
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Man, I just can't really get into The Ocean's new stuff. Too much like the Precambrian sound for me, although obviously the vocals are much better. Just gonna sit around until they go back to the Anthropocentric/Pelagial sound, I guess.
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Too much like the Precambrian sound for me, although obviously the vocals are much better. Just gonna sit around until they go back to the Anthropocentric/Pelagial sound, I guess.
And here's me thinking Anthropocentric is closer to Precambrian than anything after it :lol There are obviously significant differences between the two, but the heavier moments have quite similar riffing. Even though the Phanerozoic project is a spiritual successor to Precambrian, most of the composition is quite different in terms of melody and structure.
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I'm also not really seeing the close sound link between Pelagial and Anthropocentric - Pelagial is very much its own thing and stands far above everything else they've ever done, imo
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Maybe it's a function of the band or the production. I don't know exactly how to describe it but Anthropocentric/Pelagial have a really big, open sound, whereas Precambrian and what I've heard from the new one I can't spell feels very confined to me.
Maybe I just miss the Swiss guys, I don't know. I agree that Pelagial is by far their best, though.
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Their last album sounded pretty big and open to me, especially songs like Nascent and The Age Of Sea Scorpions
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Commencing listen now :metal
Edit: I liked that more than anything on the last album.
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Love this new song. Awesome band, looking forward to the album.
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I only listen to them occasionally, but I really liked that new song :metal
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New single has some moments sounding a lot like Tool, and I didn't like it. I am tired of those riffs after hearing them for the whole length of Fear Inoculum. It's also the first time I hear a clear influence of another band in one of their songs.
Apart from that, I liked the song, but it's not at the level of some tracks of part 1
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New single has some moments sounding a lot like Tool, and I didn't like it. I am tired of those riffs after hearing them for the whole length of Fear Inoculum. It's also the first time I hear a clear influence of another band in one of their songs.
How much control do we have over what we wish for?
When I heard that for the first time I was like "that's a pretty Tool kind of thing".
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New single has some moments sounding a lot like Tool, and I didn't like it. I am tired of those riffs after hearing them for the whole length of Fear Inoculum. It's also the first time I hear a clear influence of another band in one of their songs.
How much control do we have over what we wish for?
When I heard that for the first time I was like "that's a pretty Tool kind of thing".
I never felt it honestly, I realized it now that you me
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The Wish In Dreams always struck me as being very Mastodon-eque.
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So, can you buy this one song without preordering the whole album...or do you have to wait until it's released and then buy the one song? :)
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So, can you buy this one song without preordering the whole album...or do you have to wait until it's released and then buy the one song? :)
https://theocean.bandcamp.com/track/jurassic-cretaceous
Buy the whole album, Katatonia fanboy. :lol
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:lol But here's the thing. I find the screamer guy to be really annoying. I think Devonian Nascent is an awesome song and I like it musically even after Jonas' part is done, and I do listen to the whole song. But I barely tolerate him and I sampled a few other songs back when that came out and felt the same. But admittedly, I don't know much about the band at all, so I suppose I could stand to listen to a few more.
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Listen to Pelagial, it’s one of the best concept albums of all time. And there’s an instrumental version if you really can’t stand the vocalist.
Let Them Believe is probably their most similar song to Nascent so at least check that one out.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6hRFcVZFlA
New album's up on youtube already. Starting my first listen now
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The diverse vocal delivery will be among the first things people will notice about this album. We already had an early taste of it in Pleistocene but there's more.
After Palaeocene, the rest the album is actually quite trippy and progressive in contrast to Phanerozoic I, aside from the "kvlt" section in Pleistocene. Paul Seidel also makes his first lead vocal appearance for the band.
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I'm waiting for my cd to arrive tomorrow.
The three released songs make me pretty confident this album will be very high in my yearlist. Jurassic / Cretaceous is an amazing song.
Production and mix seem to be top notch.
One of my favorite bands. Their songwriting keeps getting better and better and I love their evolution into prog territory.
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Already posted in the ‘What are you listening to’-thread, I got my copy yesterday. This album is outstanding. Excellent. This band deserves so much more attention.
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gave it a spin, it's honestly pretty solid but it kinda feels like they're just treading water with this one (hah)
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Phanerozic I was better I think, but this is still good. The black metal bit in Pleistocene is neat, it'd be cool for them to do more stuff like that in the future.
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Phanerozoic II track-by-track part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzgSzWaWVNE
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Three or four spins and I'm pretty confident this album will be top 3 in my yearlist.
Absolutely love the diversity of the album. Epic and progressive without losing their typical sounds. I really hope they keep this lineup together, especially the drummer.
While the Pelagial and part 1 already have great production and mix this one really sounds fantastic, which could be expected with Jens Bogren involved.
Jurassic / Cretaceous is the standout track so far.
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This new album appears to be getting a lot of love, very positive reviews etc with many calling it The Ocean's best album. I'm a huge fan of the band and have been for many years so this is really great to see however, to me it falls far below its predecessor and far below Pelagial (which I consider a masterpiece). Jurassic / Cretaceous is an awesome epic up there with some of The Ocean's best songs but the rest of the album, which diverse just fails to reach any real epic highs. So yes, as a massive fan I still love it and have been listening to it constantly since release but maybe my expectations were too high because I am also disappointed.
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I'll be honest, I wasn't overly impressed with Phanerozoic I. It was fine, but far from Pelagial levels of awesomeness. For me Pelagial is such a standout album for them that I rate it as one of the greatest metal albums I've heard in the last 5 years. Everything else by them just comes in at joint second place. It's all solid but nothing really blows my mind.
All that being said, the 1-2 combo of Triassic/Jurassic | Cretaceous is the highlight of this new album and the greatest thing they've done outside of Pelagial (and the odd song, here or there from their other albums), for me.
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One of these days when I have the time I'll have to listen to Precambrian, Phanerozic I and Phanerozic II back to back.
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I feel like they just get better with every release. I like every release more than the last, and I hope they can keep this level up, although I’m not sure how they’d possibly top the brilliance of tracks like Miocene | Pliocene, Pleistocene, Holocene, Triassic and Jurassic | Cretaceous. These are all career standouts for me honestly
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1: Pelagial
2: Phanerozic I
3: Phanerozic II
4: Precambrian
5: Anthropocentric
6: Heliocentric (granted I've only listened to this one in full once)
Haven't really listened to the first two albums. Also I never realized how many of their albums start with P :lol
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These are all career standouts for me honestly
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After listening the Ocean catalog, my first purchase was Precambrian. I love the 'in your face' feel of the album. Plus it is was only 6.00 from Amazon for digital.
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Preboreal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAEo3VTgNWc)
Clock on their website is counting down to February 15th.
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This came out of nowhere? Just listening to Preboreal. Has a more laid back vibe, very cool. So is there going to be a new album?
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Holocene is out today!
Gave it a listen, it has a very different vibe than their other albums (very slow, almost sad at times), but there were some parts I really enjoyed. The beginning and ending of the album felt a bit underwhelming, but the middle of it seemed strong.
Also how the hell has it been almost three years since their last album? Feels like that came out just a little while ago. :mehlin
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Also how the hell has it been almost three years since their last album? Feels like that came out just a little while ago. :mehlin
COVID, then they toured a lot after Covid. Then Loïc broke both of his legs.
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Holocene is out today!
Gave it a listen, it has a very different vibe than their other albums (very slow, almost sad at times), but there were some parts I really enjoyed. The beginning and ending of the album felt a bit underwhelming, but the middle of it seemed strong.
Also how the hell has it been almost three years since their last album? Feels like that came out just a little while ago. :mehlin
Agree the vibe is a bit different. The album is growing on me and yes the middle part of the album is the strongest. Overall though really enjoying it.