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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: DragonAttack on January 30, 2017, 04:11:54 PM
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How about a separate thread for certain specific irritants? I am not talking about 500 topics, but certain aspects should have its own header. I am sure that I could go back to page 63 and find the common driving/parking lot/lawbreaker idiot comment, but.....
so, if no one minds, we'll start here with driving.....speeders.......lolligaggers (sp?)..........pedestrians.......parking lo morons........
I swear, 3-5x a day now, I'm either hitting someone, or getting hit, because someone is totally clueless (ie...not paying attention, texting, being aggressive, etc). It used to be about 3-6 times a month (and I drive daily on the Baltimore Beltway). Parking lots are the worst.
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Yeah. Please stay the hell out of Dallas.
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I don't get pissed off when driving - road rage is not my thing :P - but one thing that does irk me is when people park in the fire lane in the parking lot where a grocery store and other stores are. Yeah, nothing like clogging up traffic because you're a lazy bastard who can't park in a normal spot and walk another 40 feet (and most of the time, it's somebody who probably could use a little walking...).
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I'm definitely an aggressive driver, but this is New York City. If you can't be an aggressive driver then stay the fuck home or at least get out of the way.
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I don't get pissed off when driving - road rage is not my thing :P - but one thing that does irk me is when people park in the fire lane in the parking lot where a grocery store and other stores are. Yeah, nothing like clogging up traffic because you're a lazy bastard who can't park in a normal spot and walk another 40 feet (and most of the time, it's somebody who probably could use a little walking...).
Used to see this about every 10 minutes when I worked retail. When you're dropping off or picking up the 85-year-old with a walker, it's totally understandable. Definitely not always what's happening, though.
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I swear, 3-5x a day now, I'm either hitting someone, or getting hit, because someone is totally clueless (ie...not paying attention, texting, being aggressive, etc). It used to be about 3-6 times a month (and I drive daily on the Baltimore Beltway). Parking lots are the worst.
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You sound like a pretty bad driver, dude.
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Nothing stresses me out more than driving. I try to do it as little as possible because within five minutes of me being in the car I'm screaming at the top of my lungs at people who are driving too slow or driving like idiots/assholes. By the time I park my car, my blood is at a boil.
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Nothing stresses me out more than driving. I try to do it as little as possible because within five minutes of me being in the car I'm screaming at the top of my lungs at people who are driving too slow or driving like idiots/assholes. By the time I park my car, my blood is at a boil.
Ahhhhh Staten Island drivers... :lol I wonder if we've ever passed each other on the road.
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I swear, 3-5x a day now, I'm either hitting someone, or getting hit, because someone is totally clueless (ie...not paying attention, texting, being aggressive, etc). It used to be about 3-6 times a month (and I drive daily on the Baltimore Beltway). Parking lots are the worst.
Your insurance company must hate you.
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My ire is well-documented. I cannot STAND assholes in the left lane that think it's either a) their right to sit in the left lane and hold up traffic, or b) their obligation to control others from their due path on the highway. MOVE TO THE RIGHT IF YOU'RE NOT THE FASTEST CAR ON THAT STRETCH OF ROAD.
I end up doing over 50% of my driving in the right hand lane, because everyone is clogged over in the left hand lane following some a-hole who's head is up their ass. It's usually fine, but on the odd occasion you get the person doing barely 60 and, well, they're in the correct lane so it's up to me to move around THEM.
The absolute worst is when you show respect, you don't tailgate, but you flick the lights - recognized around the world as the friendly, polite signal that "I would like to pass; please move over" and they brake check you and/or flip the bird and/or just ignore you until they're good and ready to move (usually just to get off the exit).
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My ire is well-documented. I cannot STAND assholes in the left lane that think it's either a) their right to sit in the left lane and hold up traffic, or b) their obligation to control others from their due path on the highway. MOVE TO THE RIGHT IF YOU'RE NOT THE FASTEST CAR ON THAT STRETCH OF ROAD
There goes Stadler, making everything bipartisan. Why do the people on the left have to change but people on the right are just always fine. Sad!
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I'm definitely an aggressive driver, but this is New York City. If you can't be an aggressive driver then stay the fuck home or at least get out of the way.
Yup, kill or be killed on the roads out here. I'm always surprised there aren't mass casualties on the jersey turnpike during rush hour.
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I'm definitely an aggressive driver, but this is New York City. If you can't be an aggressive driver then stay the fuck home or at least get out of the way.
Yup, kill or be killed on the roads out here. I'm always surprised there aren't mass casualties on the jersey turnpike during rush hour.
I guess that's one indication Dragon Attack doesn't live in your neck of the woods.
People in Texas tend to be pretty reasonable about yielding the left lane on the interstates. It's mostly in cities where you get people driving 65 in the left lane on Central (a 70 zone). In those cases there are always 3 or 4 lanes, so it's easy enough (and often times damned entertaining) to go around them. I've driven in states where it's the law to use the left lane only for passing, which doesn't make much sense to me. Use the entire damn road, but don't impede the progress of others. I recall that Wyoming was kind enough to put a passing lane every 5 or so miles.
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My ire is well-documented. I cannot STAND assholes in the left lane that think it's either a) their right to sit in the left lane and hold up traffic, or b) their obligation to control others from their due path on the highway. MOVE TO THE RIGHT IF YOU'RE NOT THE FASTEST CAR ON THAT STRETCH OF ROAD
There goes Stadler, making everything bipartisan. Why do the people on the left have to change but people on the right are just always fine. Sad!
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I'm definitely an aggressive driver, but this is New York City. If you can't be an aggressive driver then stay the fuck home or at least get out of the way.
Yup, kill or be killed on the roads out here. I'm always surprised there aren't mass casualties on the jersey turnpike during rush hour.
I guess that's one indication Dragon Attack doesn't live in your neck of the woods.
People in Texas tend to be pretty reasonable about yielding the left lane on the interstates. It's mostly in cities where you get people driving 65 in the left lane on Central (a 70 zone). In those cases there are always 3 or 4 lanes, so it's easy enough (and often times damned entertaining) to go around them. I've driven in states where it's the law to use the left lane only for passing, which doesn't make much sense to me. Use the entire damn road, but don't impede the progress of others. I recall that Wyoming was kind enough to put a passing lane every 5 or so miles.
During my mini tour of Texas last summer I definitely noticed how people for the most part drove correctly by staying the left except when passing. Same with driving through Arizona and Georgia this past year. A huge difference from driving in NJ. Even in Los Angeles with much more traffic and wide highways, I felt the driving was way more tame than NJ.
Also I almost got into an accident yesterday. Right before the toll to get onto the garden state parkway, you can make a right and it allows you to go onto a side road that goes over the parkway and allows you to enter it if you are going south. So I'm following a few people approaching the toll and two cars pull towards the right to make that turn and then the two cars directly in front of me pull to the left to go around them... well the person who first pulled left then decided he was actually making a right turn so stopped short and that was the closest I had gotten to a car accident in a really long time and sadly it would have been all my fault.
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Well, I deserve this. :D I am leaving my original post as is, and, as Murphy Brown, firing yet another secretary.
Just now, I 'almost' missed that 'almost' was not included, and then I'm wondering, 'why the odd comments?'.
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Corrected version: 'I swear, 3-5x a day now, I'm either ALMOST hitting someone, or ALMOST getting hit.....' :tup
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I'm definitely an aggressive driver, but this is New York City. If you can't be an aggressive driver then stay the fuck home or at least get out of the way.
Amen. Born and raised here. Our unique driving skills are under-appreciated. :lol
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One of my best friends is Brooklyn born and raised. When she moved to St. Louis (where I met her) she took the driving style with her. It was always funny talking to her on the phone while she was driving, cause beyond her road rage, she's the sweetest human being alive.
"Hey!! So nice to hear from you, we really need to F**** OFF TWAT KNUCKLE get together sometime soon"
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When I first started driving my 125 cc - someone warned me that other motorists do not give the first shit about you.
It's true.
They don't.
But it hasn't put me off riding because I love it.
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I'm definitely an aggressive driver, but this is New York City. If you can't be an aggressive driver then stay the fuck home or at least get out of the way.
Amen. Born and raised here. Our unique driving skills are under-appreciated. :lol
I didn't know you're a New Yorker.
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Stadler mentioned one of my pet peeves in people who endlessly camp in the left lane regardless if they are passing anyone or not. If you're not passing anyone, move the heck over.
The others that will get me griping:
Tailgaters. A-#1 way to cause my blood to boil. It's aggravating, unsafe, and I'm usually travelling 5-10 miles over the speed limit, possibly even 15 depending on the location, as it is. Just last weekend, I'm driving 35 MPH on an icy highway (thanks to Oregon's lack of snow/ice clearing) on the way to go snowshoeing and some douchebag crawls up my tailpipe 15 feet behind me. Grrr...
Leap-froggers. Pretty much all times on long drives on the freeway, I'll put the car on cruise control, usually again 10-15 MPH over the limit. I'll try to pass someone, and they speed up. This forces me to speed up to pass them, and once I'm beyond them, I'll slow back down to my previous speed. Then the one I JUST passed blows by me in the passing lane, barreling down the highway for a few miles until they decide to slow down, and then I catch up to them again, still in cruise control at my initial speed. Meanwhile, I'm just thinking "Pick a speed, dammit!"
One last one is more of an intrigue than a pet peeve. I've noticed more than one driver here in southern Oregon cruise up to a semi on the freeway, and then slow down as they're passing it to where they are just barely moving faster than the truck beside them. All well and fine, whatever. The curious part is that once they're past the semi, they speed right back up again, going considerably faster than what they were seconds before. Again, whatever, but if I'm passing a large truck, I'm fucking getting past that thing as quickly as I can...
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One last one is more of an intrigue than a pet peeve. I've noticed more than one driver here in southern Oregon cruise up to a semi on the freeway, and then slow down as they're passing it to where they are just barely moving faster than the truck beside them. All well and fine, whatever. The curious part is that once they're past the semi, they speed right back up again, going considerably faster than what they were seconds before. Again, whatever, but if I'm passing a large truck, I'm fucking getting past that thing as quickly as I can...
I've seen cops hide in front of semis. Saw one nestled between two a while back. Maybe they're looking for speeders, but in our case he was just running everybody's plates as they went by.
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Driving is pleasant where I drive. We are always so nice to each other and we are one happy family. The one thing that irks me is when a street or freeway is jammed, cars use the right side of the road to pass cars and sneak in while everyone is waiting. Thankfully where I drive when someone does that, a karma cop Is there waiting or a car slides to the ride to stop the lane cheaters.
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Don't box me in dammit - that space you just took is my emergency lane change and I don't trust you not to crowd me.
The left lane is for passing - do not just hang out in it. If you see me coming up behind you, get over.
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I'll just leave this here....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmQDoldiHjk
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This topic is near and dear to my heart.. :lol I am a seriously aggressive driver. Like many of you NY/NJ guys, here in so cal if you're not aggressive your toast. Funny how the asshat drivers (read as slow and oblivious to their surroundings) are the ones who's cars here seem to have the most wreck damage.
I've been in one wreck since 1982. That one was my fault with a caveat... Gal in front of me went to speed up to make a yellow light and I followed suit. She then changed her mind and slammed on her brakes. As far as road rage, I have a fairly decent case of it. It really didn't manifest until I quit smoking 5 years ago. Now, it doesn't take much... :lol
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I'm a pretty relaxed driver when I'm in my car however when i'm on my motorcycle I'm usually cursing at people in my helmet. So many drivers don't pay attention to driving at all.
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Women who adjust their make up in their visor mirrors while waiting for a left turn signal and waste precious moments not paying attention to the light turning green. It almost brings tears to my eyes..
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Glad I struck a nerve with you all (....err, 'almost' struck)
Tailgaiters (especially on wet roads)...one is supposed to give a car length per 10MPH, while on an expressway you are going 50-60MPH in the left lane, there are two-five cars in front of you, ten-twenty cars in the middle lane, and........someone rides your tail less than 20' behind, flicks their lights.......WTW do you want me to do, pal?
And if there is a sudden stoppage in front of me......I won't hit that stoppage, but axehat behind me will ram into me. No one seems to take into account the FACT that slick pavement will not allow breaking the same as dry pavement. As is...I hate tailgaiters.
Less deadly, but almost as stressful: shopping mall parking lots. Start to pull into a spot, and some jerkoff crosses the horizontal line from the other side into the space you are pulling into.
Or, as you open your door after being parked, some jerkoff is crossing the horizontal line from another driving lane to park next to you.....because they are to frickin lazy to back out of their 'legal' spot after shopping. My wife almost got hit a month ago exiting the passenger door, and someone blew through the 'handicapped walking lane' that we were parked next to.
Diagonal lines, horizontal lines.............no one cares anymore.
Anyone go to a shopping center, carefully go into their correct lane behind some SUV.....the SUV makes a sharp left to park, you start to go around them......and then have to slam on the breaks?!?! Why? Well, because numbnuts is now backing up into a spot on the right side of your lane. And then pulls ahead. And then backs up. And then pulls ahead. And then backs up. And then the nose of their oversized vehicle sticks out about 4' into the driving area.
All the while......ten open spots exist about twenty feet up the lane, but....
oh, btw, I am not 'perfect'. I want to make that clear. I have caused one very minor fender bender in my life, and one rollover as a passenger because my buddy had to show off for his girlfriend and her friend. I was also about car #20 in a 125 car pileup south of Grand Rapids back in '98 due to a white out (I crouched in my car and thought I kissed my axe goodbye, .....while of all things, Led Zeppelin's 'In My Time Of Dying' was playing in the cassette deck. I sh*t you not). It was right after the Clinton 'impeachment' vote.
Somehow, after living in metro Detroit, driving to Florida 6x, and NYC a dozen times, back to Michigan a handful of times, and 3 hours north of Toronto 3x, it's been 20+ years since I've had so much as a parking ticket (more observant, and a couple of good breaks due to others not screwing me over due to MY mistakes). After all, I AM human. I have also saved dozens from their errors, and I can tell when they simply messed up.
It is just getting worse.
btw...I saved this draft to my email. And then I edited it. And then I went to take my wife to her 2x a week part time job. On my way back, in my small community, someone blew through a 4 way stop. It's only 20MPH speed limit, but they were going 30+. When I brought her home, someone blew through the same intersection from a different direction.
Fortunately, I am back at work hours later, and able to finish this.
Two lessons I always carried from a great HS driver's ed instructor:
'Always leave yourself an out (train tracks, intersections)' and, most importantly...............
'It is always best to be cautiously wrong, than to be 'DEAD' right.'
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Left the office at 11:30 yesterday due to the storm. Highway was moving alright, but visibility was shit with the wind whipping. I'm behind a lady in her jeep cruising down the fast lane, keeping my distance, and this d-dag rips up the center lane with his monster truck. Dude was driving an F-250 or an F-350 that had to have had at least a 10" lift on it. We were doing 75mph and he went by us like we were standing still. He made a ridiculous dust (snow) cloud as he tore down the highway, so much so I lost site of woman in front of me. Next thing I know, I see her headlights spinning around horizontally (I counted 3 full spins), and she ends up slamming into the Jersey barrier. I understand that that dude's truck could handle the weather and was probably wicked stable at those speeds, but have a little courtesy to those around you if the weather is that bad.
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Geeze, yea I always hate when someone flies by in a storm and throws snow or water into your windshield so bad you can't see without a care in the world for anyone around them.
This morning on my way to work, there was some traffic going through the toll to get off the turnpike. This is fairly normal. To get off where I need to, you need to go through one of the three toll booths in the middle of the whole plaza (the left continues on the turnpike, the right then goes onto rt3 to the Lincoln Tunnel and into NYC). So sometimes there is a lot of traffic going into one of those three booths while the other sides don't have traffic. It's fairly normal to see someone drive along the left side of the traffic appearing to go towards one of the booths on the left and then cut the line right at the front. I get pretty annoyed by this. So some guy in a Tesla this morning tried to cut in front of me right before the booth, granted he also cut in front of the truck trying to do the same thing behind me so this guy went really out of his way to cut the line. He was right next to me and I looked right at him and he looked back at me and just shrugged :lol I hit my gas just enough to cut in front of him before he could get in front of me and then he honked :lol
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Geeze, yea I always hate when someone flies by in a storm and throws snow or water into your windshield so bad you can't see without a care in the world for anyone around them.
This morning on my way to work, there was some traffic going through the toll to get off the turnpike. This is fairly normal. To get off where I need to, you need to go through one of the three toll booths in the middle of the whole plaza (the left continues on the turnpike, the right then goes onto rt3 to the Lincoln Tunnel and into NYC). So sometimes there is a lot of traffic going into one of those three booths while the other sides don't have traffic. It's fairly normal to see someone drive along the left side of the traffic appearing to go towards one of the booths on the left and then cut the line right at the front. I get pretty annoyed by this. So some guy in a Tesla this morning tried to cut in front of me right before the booth, granted he also cut in front of the truck trying to do the same thing behind me so this guy went really out of his way to cut the line. He was right next to me and I looked right at him and he looked back at me and just shrugged :lol I hit my gas just enough to cut in front of him before he could get in front of me and then he honked :lol
Are these people using an available, open lane of traffic and then merging later? If so - then good! Thats how traffic should flow!! If not... then disregard lol
One of my pet peeves - USE THE ZIPPER METHOD!
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2014/07/the-beauty-of-zipper-merging-or-why-you-should-drive-ruder/
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Are these people using an available, open lane of traffic and then merging later? If so - then good! Thats how traffic should flow!! If not... then disregard lol
One of my pet peeves - USE THE ZIPPER METHOD!
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2014/07/the-beauty-of-zipper-merging-or-why-you-should-drive-ruder/
lol nah its not a merge, its a line for the toll.
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Geeze, yea I always hate when someone flies by in a storm and throws snow or water into your windshield so bad you can't see without a care in the world for anyone around them.
This morning on my way to work, there was some traffic going through the toll to get off the turnpike. This is fairly normal. To get off where I need to, you need to go through one of the three toll booths in the middle of the whole plaza (the left continues on the turnpike, the right then goes onto rt3 to the Lincoln Tunnel and into NYC). So sometimes there is a lot of traffic going into one of those three booths while the other sides don't have traffic. It's fairly normal to see someone drive along the left side of the traffic appearing to go towards one of the booths on the left and then cut the line right at the front. I get pretty annoyed by this. So some guy in a Tesla this morning tried to cut in front of me right before the booth, granted he also cut in front of the truck trying to do the same thing behind me so this guy went really out of his way to cut the line. He was right next to me and I looked right at him and he looked back at me and just shrugged :lol I hit my gas just enough to cut in front of him before he could get in front of me and then he honked :lol
Are these people using an available, open lane of traffic and then merging later? If so - then good! Thats how traffic should flow!! If not... then disregard lol
One of my pet peeves - USE THE ZIPPER METHOD!
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2014/07/the-beauty-of-zipper-merging-or-why-you-should-drive-ruder/
THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU!
I've been saying that for YEARS and I usually get a similar response as if I said "Hey, cats make a great stir fry!" I'm pretty sure I got into a (friendly) argument here, shortly after I first came on board, on this very topic. Nothing worse than the ass-wipe that thinks he's doing a public service by straddling the merge lanes a mile before the merge actually happens. I usually still go past with my freak flag flying (i.e. the middle finger).
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Left the office at 11:30 yesterday due to the storm. Highway was moving alright, but visibility was shit with the wind whipping. I'm behind a lady in her jeep cruising down the fast lane, keeping my distance, and this d-dag rips up the center lane with his monster truck. Dude was driving an F-250 or an F-350 that had to have had at least a 10" lift on it. We were doing 75mph and he went by us like we were standing still. He made a ridiculous dust (snow) cloud as he tore down the highway, so much so I lost site of woman in front of me. Next thing I know, I see her headlights spinning around horizontally (I counted 3 full spins), and she ends up slamming into the Jersey barrier. I understand that that dude's truck could handle the weather and was probably wicked stable at those speeds, but have a little courtesy to those around you if the weather is that bad.
No mention of a cone. Sad!
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It seems as if appending "Sad!" to statements has officially entered the lexicon. Sad!
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It seems as if appending "Sad!" to statements has officially entered the lexicon. Sad!
:) :) :)
My husband and I have been appending with "Love!" It's more uplifting.... and reminds me of the X-file Simpsons episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdm82pcUtyA
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My ire is well-documented. I cannot STAND assholes in the left lane that think it's either a) their right to sit in the left lane and hold up traffic, or b) their obligation to control others from their due path on the highway. MOVE TO THE RIGHT IF YOU'RE NOT THE FASTEST CAR ON THAT STRETCH OF ROAD.
I end up doing over 50% of my driving in the right hand lane, because everyone is clogged over in the left hand lane following some a-hole who's head is up their ass. It's usually fine, but on the odd occasion you get the person doing barely 60 and, well, they're in the correct lane so it's up to me to move around THEM.
The absolute worst is when you show respect, you don't tailgate, but you flick the lights - recognized around the world as the friendly, polite signal that "I would like to pass; please move over" and they brake check you and/or flip the bird and/or just ignore you until they're good and ready to move (usually just to get off the exit).
In Fort Wayne, the left lane thing is so common there's even a band in town called Left Lane Cruiser. The other joke is "Indiana is so conservative, you even have to pass to the right." At the same time, people love to pass on the right here. If I'm in the middle lane on I-69, and there's someone coming up behind me in my lane, 9 times out of 10, if both the left and right lanes are open, they will choose the right lane. I've lived here 6 years now, and it still just boggles my mind. Fort Wayne also has a very public chapter of what Neil Peart called "The Anti-Destination League."
The signature move in Fort Wayne though, is to pull out in front of someone and then drive at least 5 mph below the speed limit. This happens in two primary ways: the first is to make the right hand turn into oncoming traffic and slow them way down, the other is to make the right hand turn in front of oncoming traffic making the left hand turn on to the same road. Bonus points if you make the wide right hand turn into the left hand lane. This usually causes me to shout profanities in such combinations that would make a New Yorker stand up and take notice.
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It seems as if appending "Sad!" to statements has officially entered the lexicon. Sad!
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I know.
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Yeah. Please stay the hell out of Dallas.
Shit. Come to Albuquerque where people don't understand the concept of turning signals.
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Stadler, do you feel the same way when you are going 75 to 80 MPH in the fast lane and someone rides up close? I always move over but when I'm going that fast there is no need to ride up someone's ass even if it is the fast lane.
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Stadler, do you feel the same way when you are going 75 to 80 MPH in the fast lane and someone rides up close? I always move over but when I'm going that fast there is no need to ride up someone's ass even if it is the fast lane.
You don't know that. When my 18lb dog ate a whole pound of chocolate, any speed in front of me was too slow. I was filled with rage when I was getting stuck behind someone with my flashers going, my high beams flickering, and my horn blaring. People not moving out of the way just to make a point. By the time I got to the clinic I couldn't even walk because of the combination of anger and adrenaline. I had to sit in the car for a minute while Victoria brought Norman in because my legs wouldn't work right.
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Your missing what I typed Brian. In that I said I always move. I'm not talking about blocking but 98% isn't an emergency and you can't move fast enough. It's dangerous to do so.
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Stadler, do you feel the same way when you are going 75 to 80 MPH in the fast lane and someone rides up close? I always move over but when I'm going that fast there is no need to ride up someone's ass even if it is the fast lane.
I ride up on someone because my cruise control is on. I don't feel sorry when they have seen me coming for 4 miles and are still riding in the left lane. I wasn't a surprise out of nowhere and don't make me turn my cruise control off man! That's just annoying lol
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Just gonna leave this here (yes, old, I still love it - nsfw, language)
https://youtu.be/O4P61S672fY
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If someone rides up my ass when I'm speeding myself in the passing lane it's because:
1. they're an asshole, or
2. they really need to get somewhere and it could be for a vital reason
I will always move over just in case there is some sort of emergency type issue, even though chances are the person is just being an ass. I can't take that chance, and would want someone to get out of my way.
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Stadler, do you feel the same way when you are going 75 to 80 MPH in the fast lane and someone rides up close? I always move over but when I'm going that fast there is no need to ride up someone's ass even if it is the fast lane.
I ride up on someone because my cruise control is on. I don't feel sorry when they have seen me coming for 4 miles and are still riding in the left lane. I wasn't a surprise out of nowhere and don't make me turn my cruise control off man! That's just annoying lol
I'm not talking about someone I see coming up. No matter what I always move but it's the person flying that all of a sudden is right on your ass, you are going 75/80 and you have to find an opening safely to move and that person is still pushing you.
Those people need to find a ditch.
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True, no need to tailgate in those scenarios. I try to be very aware when I drive up someone's ass as to whether or not this person is just not paying attention or if they just can't go anywhere. Last night was the first time in a looong time that I flashed my brights on someone. THis person was in the left lane and would not pass the person in the middle lane. The right lane was empty. There was no one in front of them and no one in front of the car in the middle lane, but I was behind him and there was another car right up my ass behind me. So after a few minutes of tailgating, I finally flasked my brights.... still nothing, went all the way to the right lane to get around him followed by the person behind me. :facepalm:
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That's ok to me. A quick flash of high beams says, "Hey, can you let me by?"
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It seems in my area it is becoming more and more commonplace for people to drive at night with their headlights off. I have no idea why and it's fucking infuriating. A few weeks ago I almost pulled out of a shopping center into traffic right in front of a speeding minivan because the black van didn't have headlights on at 8:30 at night and I couldn't see them. Are people that dense that they can't see their dash isn't lit up? Or that the road is fucking dark in front of them??
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Stadler, do you feel the same way when you are going 75 to 80 MPH in the fast lane and someone rides up close? I always move over but when I'm going that fast there is no need to ride up someone's ass even if it is the fast lane.
Honest to god, not saying this to back my statement, but I move over. I move the fuck over. I don't care if I'm doing 95, if someone wants to go faster, it's not my place to tell them no. Who's to say there isn't someone in the back seat having a heart attack? I move over.
Having said that, I'm in the left lane less than 30% of the time at this point. It's an almost impassable lane here in Connecticut.
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That's ok to me. A quick flash of high beams says, "Hey, can you let me by?"
I will say this: here in CT, a flash of high beams gets the middle finger more than half the time.
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Having said that, I'm in the left lane less than 30% of the time at this point. It's an almost impassable lane here in Connecticut.
It's becoming more easy to just pass on the right because the right lane always seems to be empty and everyone is in the left for some reason. I don't understand.
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One thing that bothers me more about driving on highways is that there are always people going under the speed limit in the middle lane. It's as if the middle lane has become the lazy lane where apparently you just do whatever and don't have to pay attention to people around you. So then all these cars are obviously weaving to get around this one car in the middle.
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Stadler, do you feel the same way when you are going 75 to 80 MPH in the fast lane and someone rides up close? I always move over but when I'm going that fast there is no need to ride up someone's ass even if it is the fast lane.
Honest to god, not saying this to back my statement, but I move over. I move the fuck over. I don't care if I'm doing 95, if someone wants to go faster, it's not my place to tell them no. Who's to say there isn't someone in the back seat having a heart attack? I move over.
Having said that, I'm in the left lane less than 30% of the time at this point. It's an almost impassable lane here in Connecticut.
Hey I'm with you about not traveling in the fast lane.I just get incensed when I get into the fast lane and then some jamoke rides my Ralston when I'm trying to pass someone to get into the slower lane.
Sometimes it takes a little bit. About the high beams, I don't do it much. Only when a person is extremely slow in the passing lane.
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The signature move in Fort Wayne though, is to pull out in front of someone and then drive at least 5 mph below the speed limit. This happens in two primary ways: the first is to make the right hand turn into oncoming traffic and slow them way down, the other is to make the right hand turn in front of oncoming traffic making the left hand turn on to the same road. Bonus points if you make the wide right hand turn into the left hand lane. This usually causes me to shout profanities in such combinations that would make a New Yorker stand up and take notice.
The nice thing about being a highly aggressive driver is that I'm aware of what everybody else is doing. I'll pull out in front of people all the time, but I'll be going faster than them almost immediately. I'm a big fan of courtesy and not being in people's way is something I've always striven for in life.
One of my pet peeves - USE THE ZIPPER METHOD!
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2014/07/the-beauty-of-zipper-merging-or-why-you-should-drive-ruder/
In Oklahoma that's actually the law. You'll start seeing sings Merge in two miles, merge in 1 mile, Merge in 1000 ft, MERGE RIGHT FUCKING HERE! and the pylons close the lane off over about 20' or so. Damned effective and it removes attitude from the equation.
Also, I believe there were some other studies that suggested it actually makes no difference when people merge. Seems real world drivers aren't as orderly and as attentive as their computer simulated counterparts.
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I'm a big fan of courtesy and not being in people's way is something I've always striven for in life.
That's pretty much my mantra as well. On the road, in line at McDonald's, wherever. I never want to be "that guy". As in "That guy was in line for 10 minutes; he couldn't decide what he wanted before he got to the cash register??" Or... "what the fuck is that guy doing holding up that line of traffic?" Or... "where does that guy thing he is, strolling down the side walk like it's a walk in the park. Get out of the way!" Or... "what did that guy eat for dinner last night? Courtesy flush would work wonders right about now!"
80% of the time, all it takes is taking your face out of your phone, and turning your head to look behind you. Seriously. Just turn your head and look around you once in a blue moon. Maybe it'll dawn on you that there are OTHER PEOPLE on the planet besides YOU.
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I'm a big fan of courtesy and not being in people's way is something I've always striven for in life.
I never want to be "that guy".
Same here.
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The signature move in Fort Wayne though, is to pull out in front of someone and then drive at least 5 mph below the speed limit. This happens in two primary ways: the first is to make the right hand turn into oncoming traffic and slow them way down, the other is to make the right hand turn in front of oncoming traffic making the left hand turn on to the same road. Bonus points if you make the wide right hand turn into the left hand lane. This usually causes me to shout profanities in such combinations that would make a New Yorker stand up and take notice.
The nice thing about being a highly aggressive driver is that I'm aware of what everybody else is doing. I'll pull out in front of people all the time, but I'll be going faster than them almost immediately. I'm a big fan of courtesy and not being in people's way is something I've always striven for in life.
As an aggressive driver myself, I try to be hyper aware of what others are doing on the road. I usually try to approach it like the chase scene in Batman Begins, where the Batmobile finds a way through the slower moving traffic. In Fort Wayne, the thing that is the most infuriating about the right hand turn right in front of you is that 90% of the time, there is no traffic behind me. It amazes me how someone can be in such a hurry to get into the lane, but then not drive with the same intensity that they had when they made that move to begin with. It's like they were in a hurry to slow me down.
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I'm a big fan of courtesy and not being in people's way is something I've always striven for in life.
That's pretty much my mantra as well. On the road, in line at McDonald's, wherever. I never want to be "that guy". As in "That guy was in line for 10 minutes; he couldn't decide what he wanted before he got to the cash register??" Or... "what the fuck is that guy doing holding up that line of traffic?" Or... "where does that guy thing he is, strolling down the side walk like it's a walk in the park. Get out of the way!" Or... "what did that guy eat for dinner last night? Courtesy flush would work wonders right about now!"
80% of the time, all it takes is taking your face out of your phone, and turning your head to look behind you. Seriously. Just turn your head and look around you once in a blue moon. Maybe it'll dawn on you that there are OTHER PEOPLE on the planet besides YOU.
I call this self awareness and I am very attentive to it as well so I am not "that guy"
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I'm a big fan of courtesy and not being in people's way is something I've always striven for in life.
That's pretty much my mantra as well. On the road, in line at McDonald's, wherever. I never want to be "that guy". As in "That guy was in line for 10 minutes; he couldn't decide what he wanted before he got to the cash register??" Or... "what the fuck is that guy doing holding up that line of traffic?" Or... "where does that guy thing he is, strolling down the side walk like it's a walk in the park. Get out of the way!" Or... "what did that guy eat for dinner last night? Courtesy flush would work wonders right about now!"
80% of the time, all it takes is taking your face out of your phone, and turning your head to look behind you. Seriously. Just turn your head and look around you once in a blue moon. Maybe it'll dawn on you that there are OTHER PEOPLE on the planet besides YOU.
I think it goes much deeper than that. It's about possessing the attitude that you want to be aware of others. Cellphone usage is a symptom of a greater problem. When you break it down you find that there are a ton of people that see driving as a necessary drudgery. There are others that put more thought into their driving. The former are the Sybil Fawlty's of the world. "Oh, I know. I know." Babbling on about inane bullshit is the only way to make driving tolerable. They're the ones not paying attention. But even when they're not yammering away, they're not attentive. Their mind is elsewhere.
One situation demonstrates the difference to me perfectly, on a near daily basis. On my way home there's a turnout from a grocery story 20' or so from a stoplight. The unspoken rule is that one person gets to turn out every light cycle. I've been on both sides of this countless times since I occasionally shop at that store. If I'm on the road, I give the person pulling out about 1 second to get moving. If he's not even looking in my direction fuck him. When the light changes I will be looking at him and it'll be pretty clear I want him to go. If he's confused, fuck him. It tends to go about 50/50. Ideally I shouldn't even have to look at him, but that's expecting too much. When I'm the one pulling out what I've noticed is that about 75% of the drivers (and there is a gender distinction here, BTW) understand how this should work. The number of people who deliberately refuse to let me in are statistically meaningless. However, there are plenty of drivers who are just completely unaware that somebody's looking to pull out. They're not necessarily yammering on their phones, they're just not really focusing on others around them. In fact, in that case if they are on their phones there's no problem because I'm just going to pull out before they've even noticed the light is green. Mostly they're just mindless drones moving from one light to the next, oblivious to the world around them.
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My ire is well-documented. I cannot STAND assholes in the left lane that think it's either a) their right to sit in the left lane and hold up traffic, or b) their obligation to control others from their due path on the highway. MOVE TO THE RIGHT IF YOU'RE NOT THE FASTEST CAR ON THAT STRETCH OF ROAD.
I end up doing over 50% of my driving in the right hand lane, because everyone is clogged over in the left hand lane following some a-hole who's head is up their ass. It's usually fine, but on the odd occasion you get the person doing barely 60 and, well, they're in the correct lane so it's up to me to move around THEM.
The absolute worst is when you show respect, you don't tailgate, but you flick the lights - recognized around the world as the friendly, polite signal that "I would like to pass; please move over" and they brake check you and/or flip the bird and/or just ignore you until they're good and ready to move (usually just to get off the exit).
In Fort Wayne, the left lane thing is so common there's even a band in town called Left Lane Cruiser. The other joke is "Indiana is so conservative, you even have to pass to the right." At the same time, people love to pass on the right here. If I'm in the middle lane on I-69, and there's someone coming up behind me in my lane, 9 times out of 10, if both the left and right lanes are open, they will choose the right lane. I've lived here 6 years now, and it still just boggles my mind. Fort Wayne also has a very public chapter of what Neil Peart called "The Anti-Destination League."
The signature move in Fort Wayne though, is to pull out in front of someone and then drive at least 5 mph below the speed limit. This happens in two primary ways: the first is to make the right hand turn into oncoming traffic and slow them way down, the other is to make the right hand turn in front of oncoming traffic making the left hand turn on to the same road. Bonus points if you make the wide right hand turn into the left hand lane. This usually causes me to shout profanities in such combinations that would make a New Yorker stand up and take notice.
Try living in South Bend. I work with a guy from Ft Wayne and he tell me that drivers are worse in the Bend :|
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Signalling! Don't people learn how to signal when they they're about to turn left or right? And turn your f'ing lights on!
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Cars with brake lights that do not work. I've seen so many lately I've thought about calling the cops, but not sure if that's just being an asshole.
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I try to get a hold of the person in the car to let them know their brake lights are not working. No one ever knows they are not working or one is out.
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Cars with brake lights that do not work. I've seen so many lately I've thought about calling the cops, but not sure if that's just being an asshole.
I was behind someone once and almost called the cops. I think it was done purposely to cause an accident and get money.
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Cars with brake lights that do not work. I've seen so many lately I've thought about calling the cops, but not sure if that's just being an asshole.
I was behind someone once and almost called the cops. I think it was done purposely to cause an accident and get money.
I wish there was an alarm inside the car that went off every ten seconds if you have a brake light out, just like the one that goes off if you don't wear a seat belt. People would get those fixed real quick.
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I actually love driving as long as the traffic is clear, blast some music and I can drive for a few hours easily. I hate it when people drive slow for no obvious reason and have a big gap in front of them. I also hate it when my timing of the lights is wrong and hit almost every red light.
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#1 People that don't use the turn signals, you know who you are.
#2 People that tailgate even though it's very clear I can't turn to the right because of traffic, I won't speed up more just because you're in a hurry because i'm already way over speedlimit. Once it's clear, I will turn. Where I drive we mostly have two line highways just to be clear.
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I've been told that I should be careful when I brake-check people who tailgate me but damn it pisses me right off. Tailgating me, when I'm going the speed limit or at least 5 over, doesn't get you there any fucking faster.
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https://youtu.be/Fz_t76d65fg (https://youtu.be/Fz_t76d65fg)
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I can't stand it when on a 40 mph road, when people make a right turn, but slow to a complete stop before making it, basically almost getting rear ended by people behind them (specifically me)
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People who make a turn from the left land, that have to stop to wait for the opportunity........but don't signal. I get that you need to make a left, I get that you need to wait for the opposite traffic to be okay first, cool. BUT SIGNAL. The result is you just stopped in the middle of the left hand lane being a douche.
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Or people that put their blinker on, you think they are going to turn at the store entrance (street) you are at, but turn one or two exits after that.
Living in the metro Baltimore area after years of the 'carefree' time in Michigan (and surviving metro Detroit for a year), I miss 'grids' and numbered or lettered roads. Before I moved nearer to that work location, my commute was 75 miles. It would take 75 minutes. At times it was wearing, but I enjoyed it. I have two trips into DC next week of 40 and 55 miles. I'm allotting two hours each time one way, knowing that my growing 'fear factor' will elevate. The tailgaters and darters and 'WTW is your hurry, can't you see everyone up ahead is breaking?' leadfoots.
I also often wonder if the engineers in this area were on good drugs, or bad drugs. Curves, bad sight lines, streets that go from 3 to 2 to 1 lanes, entrances onto the Beltway that are uphill, exits on the left....
There is a wonderful traffic circle that has five entrances, crosswalks, and a two lane circle (with 'must exit right' outer lane in spots). So you have to avoid the outer lane traffic, dart in and avoid the inner lane traffic, and then make your way back to the outer lane. I get tense writing about it. My wife gets white knuckle tense when she knows we have to go through it.
I do also wish there was a universal 'MY BAD' signal for when I screw up.
I wish all exits and entrances were from/onto the right lane.
I wish all gas tanks filled on the driver's side.
I wish that all lane dividers on roads were visible in the rain (hell, when it's dry) and not five years overdue for a touch up.
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I love that guy that honked at me in boston today. I admit, I should have put my blinker on to make it obvious I was going to the right lane even though my lane was merging with that one, but the road lanes weren't clearly marked as to where the lanes merged. So while I don't think I drove incorrectly, I understand it was hard to understand that merge and to make it easier for the person behind me, I should have jut put my blinker on... but this guy who was behind me ended up honking and then getting to the right of me. Well he got close enough to get next to me and honk again and let me know visually how mad he was. Although while I admit my mistake, I am still not sure how it effected him since I didn't cut him off, I was always in front, but now that he went to the right of me, I guess he went out of his way to let me know he was mad because immediately after his display of anger, he then cut the person off behind me to go left. ???
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You MOTHER FUCKER, that was YOU!!
Just kidding.
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I love that guy that honked at me in boston today. I admit, I should have put my blinker on to make it obvious I was going to the right lane even though my lane was merging with that one, but the road lanes weren't clearly marked as to where the lanes merged. So while I don't think I drove incorrectly, I understand it was hard to understand that merge and to make it easier for the person behind me, I should have jut put my blinker on... but this guy who was behind me ended up honking and then getting to the right of me. Well he got close enough to get next to me and honk again and let me know visually how mad he was. Although while I admit my mistake, I am still not sure how it effected him since I didn't cut him off, I was always in front, but now that he went to the right of me, I guess he went out of his way to let me know he was mad because immediately after his display of anger, he then cut the person off behind me to go left. ???
Eh, those Bostonians are whiny bitches anyway. :biggrin:
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On the turning thing: I love the cunt farts that will swerve in between cars without a blinker like they're in fucking Bullit and then when they get into the turn only lane... the put their blinker on.
Yep. Thanks for that. I figured you'd be going head on into traffic. Phew! Good thing you let me know you're turning in the turn only lane where it's the only direction to go unless you want to die.
WHICH YOU SHOULD, YOU TROGLODYTE FECES.
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Since my wife gets upset when I swear, I now have an acceptable term to use, as Foghorn Leghorn stated, in case of such emergencies :tup
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I've kinda been skimming this thread so I'm not sure if this had been mentioned but when people in the right hand lane with an open lane or two next to them don't move over to allow a merging car in when the merging on ramp is rapidly shrinking it drives me up a fucking wall. I know it seems like that's something that is done out of courtesy but it's pretty dangerous when you have a person trying to get up to highway speed and the jerk off in the right hand lane is just cruising along, essentially blocking someone who is clearly trying to get over. I dunno maybe I'm expecting too much of my fellow drivers.
I love that guy that honked at me in boston today. I admit, I should have put my blinker on to make it obvious I was going to the right lane even though my lane was merging with that one, but the road lanes weren't clearly marked as to where the lanes merged. So while I don't think I drove incorrectly, I understand it was hard to understand that merge and to make it easier for the person behind me, I should have jut put my blinker on... but this guy who was behind me ended up honking and then getting to the right of me. Well he got close enough to get next to me and honk again and let me know visually how mad he was. Although while I admit my mistake, I am still not sure how it effected him since I didn't cut him off, I was always in front, but now that he went to the right of me, I guess he went out of his way to let me know he was mad because immediately after his display of anger, he then cut the person off behind me to go left. ???
Must've been in the air in Boston on Saturday. I was leaving Brighton and got stuck on Cambridge St. for quite a long time because either the lights were off or people kept needing to make lefts and holding up the single lane of traffic for minutes at a clip. Just a lot of obliviousness and lack of driving skills to avoid on a dinky half mile stretch to the highway.
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I've kinda been skimming this thread so I'm not sure if this had been mentioned but when people in the right hand lane with an open lane or two next to them don't move over to allow a merging car in when the merging on ramp is rapidly shrinking it drives me up a fucking wall. I know it seems like that's something that is done out of courtesy but it's pretty dangerous when you have a person trying to get up to highway speed and the jerk off in the right hand lane is just cruising along, essentially blocking someone who is clearly trying to get over. I dunno maybe I'm expecting too much of my fellow drivers.
I hate when I'm behind someone on an on ramp and they're approaching the highway at 40mph.
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I've been told that I should be careful when I brake-check people who tailgate me but damn it pisses me right off. Tailgating me, when I'm going the speed limit or at least 5 over, doesn't get you there any fucking faster.
I'm sorry, nothing personal, but "brake-checking" is the tool of the devil. There's no "safe way" to do it, and even if the ass behind you is tailgating, two wrongs don't make a right. You let your anger control; it's not as if the tailgater isn't going to see the brake-check and go "oh, wow, you're right; that slow person in front of me is dead on correct, and I need to reevaluate my driving technique!".
I know when I get brake-checked, 99% of the time I feel I'm still at a safe distance and the person in front of me is the hazard. So...
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#1 People that don't use the turn signals, you know who you are.
#2 People that tailgate even though it's very clear I can't turn to the right because of traffic, I won't speed up more just because you're in a hurry because i'm already way over speedlimit. Once it's clear, I will turn. Where I drive we mostly have two line highways just to be clear.
Sorry, boss, but that "I'm not going go out of my way one iota to even remotely pretend to be at all accommodating to other drivers on the road that may be making different choices than I am" attitude to be part of the problem. As I said to Debra, EVERYONE thinks they're spot on right, and while you're worried about the guy behind you, and feel you're "doing your part for humanity", they're invariably thinking "how did this tool get their license? They could have moved over six times already."
I can't tell you how many times I've been behind someone, and they're waiting to get to the absolutely clearest spot on the highway to move over, when there were easily half-a-dozen spots they could have let me by peaceably and safely. Sure, it would have meant that they would have likely had to move back over and repass the people in the middle lane, but so what? There is no guarantee that ANYONE - me, you, or anyone else - can stay in the SAME LANE at the SAME SPEED for their entire journey. Sometimes I have to slow down for the person in front of me, and sometimes you have to speed up for the guy behind you. No one's asking you to go 100 miles an hour, but at 70, a few mph is negligible, and well within any "safety factor" you're sticking to (and certainly FAR more safe than you in close proximity to a car next to you and behind you).
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I've been told that I should be careful when I brake-check people who tailgate me but damn it pisses me right off. Tailgating me, when I'm going the speed limit or at least 5 over, doesn't get you there any fucking faster.
Just get the hell out of the way then. If you're doing the speed limit, you won't get there any slower by moving over and getting out of my way. You really want to risk brake checking someone and possibly causing an accident on the highway because you're trying to prove a point to someone? You pose a greater danger to yourself and others by holding at 70 in the fast lane than someone cruising at 90 in it.
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I've kinda been skimming this thread so I'm not sure if this had been mentioned but when people in the right hand lane with an open lane or two next to them don't move over to allow a merging car in when the merging on ramp is rapidly shrinking it drives me up a fucking wall. I know it seems like that's something that is done out of courtesy but it's pretty dangerous when you have a person trying to get up to highway speed and the jerk off in the right hand lane is just cruising along, essentially blocking someone who is clearly trying to get over. I dunno maybe I'm expecting too much of my fellow drivers.
I hate when I'm behind someone on an on ramp and they're approaching the highway at 40mph.
Yeah there is that problem. I usually floor it to at least match the speed limit.
That reminds me that in my traffic class in college my teacher mentioned how there is typically one car for every fourteen car lengths so you have a 13 in 14 chance of ot getting into an accident when you merge so you're better off just going for it.
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I hate traffic lights that stay green for cross traffic when no one is coming. I've sat at a light for 1-2 minutes waiting for no one. >:(
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The brake check thing came up a year or two ago because of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSE3fkeHAmo
Dude was driving like a complete asshole, and nobody really feels sorry for him crashing his car, but was proving that point worth potentially causing a major injury? What if he'd careened into oncoming traffic? Did those guys deserve to be hit? Guys on his side of the road had to take emergency action, as well. I'm a heartless bastard with a penchant for rationalizing, and if I'd caused an admitted asshole to be injured, much less an innocent driver, I'd feel pretty rotten about it.
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I love break checking people. On Staten Island the tailgating problem is bad and my rationale is that either the person stops tailgating me or they rear end me and I get a new back bumper "for free".
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I love break checking people. On Staten Island the tailgating problem is bad and my rationale is that either the person stops tailgating me or they rear end me and I get a new back bumper "for free".
Or, as a very alert driver who's never had an accident, I don't hit you, I don't stop tailgating, and you get to deal with me flashing my high beams and laying on my horn until you're no longer in front of me because you're being a dick.
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break checking is the worse, probably worse than the assholes who deserve the get break checked honestly
I honestly just hate seeing the break lights at all on a highway, keep moving!
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#1 People that don't use the turn signals, you know who you are.
#2 People that tailgate even though it's very clear I can't turn to the right because of traffic, I won't speed up more just because you're in a hurry because i'm already way over speedlimit. Once it's clear, I will turn. Where I drive we mostly have two line highways just to be clear.
Sorry, boss, but that "I'm not going go out of my way one iota to even remotely pretend to be at all accommodating to other drivers on the road that may be making different choices than I am" attitude to be part of the problem. As I said to Debra, EVERYONE thinks they're spot on right, and while you're worried about the guy behind you, and feel you're "doing your part for humanity", they're invariably thinking "how did this tool get their license? They could have moved over six times already."
I can't tell you how many times I've been behind someone, and they're waiting to get to the absolutely clearest spot on the highway to move over, when there were easily half-a-dozen spots they could have let me by peaceably and safely. Sure, it would have meant that they would have likely had to move back over and repass the people in the middle lane, but so what? There is no guarantee that ANYONE - me, you, or anyone else - can stay in the SAME LANE at the SAME SPEED for their entire journey. Sometimes I have to slow down for the person in front of me, and sometimes you have to speed up for the guy behind you. No one's asking you to go 100 miles an hour, but at 70, a few mph is negligible, and well within any "safety factor" you're sticking to (and certainly FAR more safe than you in close proximity to a car next to you and behind you).
If I can't move to the right because of traffic I can't move to the right, as simple as that. If I can move to the right lane safely, I will. I'm not talking about looking for the right spot or not accelerating because someones up my ass. Trust me i'm well aware that someone might be in a hurry and i'm not delibrately holding traffic because i'm annoyed someones talgating me. If i'm way over speedlimit because that usually what you are when you pass in the left lane and someones still close to me, i'm annoyed over the fact that if someone turns to the left lane infront of me quickly without seeing me or something happens that force me to emergency break, the car behind me will not have time to break which could be a matter of life and death. Keep your distance for safety reasons, that's all i'm asking for.
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This....and when it's raining, or the road is wet. Do these people seriously think that riding one car length behind me will give them enough time to stop just in case something happens 4-6 car lengths in front of me? At speeds of 50+? Even if the pavement is dry, 'sorry, pal', but one car length is gonna have you smashing into my ass if I have to suddenly break. Five lengths is gonna have you smashing into my ass if I have to suddenly break....but you MIGHT have a chance to avoid me/us.
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#1 People that don't use the turn signals, you know who you are.
#2 People that tailgate even though it's very clear I can't turn to the right because of traffic, I won't speed up more just because you're in a hurry because i'm already way over speedlimit. Once it's clear, I will turn. Where I drive we mostly have two line highways just to be clear.
Sorry, boss, but that "I'm not going go out of my way one iota to even remotely pretend to be at all accommodating to other drivers on the road that may be making different choices than I am" attitude to be part of the problem. As I said to Debra, EVERYONE thinks they're spot on right, and while you're worried about the guy behind you, and feel you're "doing your part for humanity", they're invariably thinking "how did this tool get their license? They could have moved over six times already."
I can't tell you how many times I've been behind someone, and they're waiting to get to the absolutely clearest spot on the highway to move over, when there were easily half-a-dozen spots they could have let me by peaceably and safely. Sure, it would have meant that they would have likely had to move back over and repass the people in the middle lane, but so what? There is no guarantee that ANYONE - me, you, or anyone else - can stay in the SAME LANE at the SAME SPEED for their entire journey. Sometimes I have to slow down for the person in front of me, and sometimes you have to speed up for the guy behind you. No one's asking you to go 100 miles an hour, but at 70, a few mph is negligible, and well within any "safety factor" you're sticking to (and certainly FAR more safe than you in close proximity to a car next to you and behind you).
If I can't move to the right because of traffic I can't move to the right, as simple as that. If I can move to the right lane safely, I will. I'm not talking about looking for the right spot or not accelerating because someones up my ass. Trust me i'm well aware that someone might be in a hurry and i'm not delibrately holding traffic because i'm annoyed someones talgating me. If i'm way over speedlimit because that usually what you are when you pass in the left lane and someones still close to me, i'm annoyed over the fact that if someone turns to the left lane infront of me quickly without seeing me or something happens that force me to emergency break, the car behind me will not have time to break which could be a matter of life and death. Keep your distance for safety reasons, that's all i'm asking for.
I'm with you. I had a lot of times today where I was driving fairly ahead of the curve in the left lane but there was some asshole behind me that was making moves like I wasn't traveling to his liking so I'd speed up and find a spot to move over only to find he was looking to keep up his 30-40+mph over the speed limit pace. I'm well aware that I'm in the fast lane but as far as I know the US doesn't have an Autobahn and some of these drivers just don't care about that. Someone going 10-15+ plus in the fast lane isn't trying to slow you down, jackass (not you, Boom), they're in the same boat just not to the same extreme.
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I think the only thing that's clear from both humanity in general, our experiences and the thread itself, is that humans driving is a fucking horrible idea and holy fuck. :lol
Great way to thin the population though, hoo boy. Shit kills more people than almost anything else. Fucking cars man. Cars and humans. AWESOME MIXTURE OF AWESOME.
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This....and when it's raining, or the road is wet. Do these people seriously think that riding one car length behind me will give them enough time to stop just in case something happens 4-6 car lengths in front of me? At speeds of 50+? Even if the pavement is dry, 'sorry, pal', but one car length is gonna have you smashing into my ass if I have to suddenly break. Five lengths is gonna have you smashing into my ass if I have to suddenly break....but you MIGHT have a chance to avoid me/us.
Look, I'm sure you guys are excellent drivers, and paying the utmost attention to those around you.... but for whatever reason, it always seems SO reasonable when written on forums like this, but it's SO unreasonable out in the real world. I don't know if people are just afraid to come on here and say "Oh, yeah, I space like a mofo all the time. I'm in the left lane, doing whatever it is I please, and don't give two shits about any other car around me. Maybe I'll just stay in that lane with 15 cars behind me - fucking over a mile and a half of traffic - or maybe I'll wait until there is a quarter mile gap and I'll SLOWLY slide into it, texting all the while!" but that's the reality, not what we're reading here. I'm on an interstate EVERY SINGLE DAY, and there's not a trip I've taken where there isn't some asshole just sitting in the left lane, not actually passing anyone, but just cruising, sometimes neck and neck with the car next to them in the middle lane (about as dangerous a condition as you can get on a major highway) staring off into space not a care in the world.
Where are THOSE posters?
I forget if it was here or another forum I post on, but I offered to take vids on my phone of these creeps, and in two days my phone was FULL. Literally, FULL.
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I'm with them. There are more aggressive drivers than slow pokes these days. I totally agree about getting out of the way but 9 times out of 10 they are impatient when I'm already traveling 75 MPH and I'm not accelerating like a madman to move to the next lane. I will still accelerate but safely. For the most part I'll see them coming and move before they get to me but lately, driving as so damn fast and way over the speed limit that they surprise you from another lane, not the long distant driver you see coming.
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This....and when it's raining, or the road is wet. Do these people seriously think that riding one car length behind me will give them enough time to stop just in case something happens 4-6 car lengths in front of me? At speeds of 50+? Even if the pavement is dry, 'sorry, pal', but one car length is gonna have you smashing into my ass if I have to suddenly break. Five lengths is gonna have you smashing into my ass if I have to suddenly break....but you MIGHT have a chance to avoid me/us.
Look, I'm sure you guys are excellent drivers, and paying the utmost attention to those around you.... but for whatever reason, it always seems SO reasonable when written on forums like this, but it's SO unreasonable out in the real world. I don't know if people are just afraid to come on here and say "Oh, yeah, I space like a mofo all the time. I'm in the left lane, doing whatever it is I please, and don't give two shits about any other car around me. Maybe I'll just stay in that lane with 15 cars behind me - fucking over a mile and a half of traffic - or maybe I'll wait until there is a quarter mile gap and I'll SLOWLY slide into it, texting all the while!" but that's the reality, not what we're reading here. I'm on an interstate EVERY SINGLE DAY, and there's not a trip I've taken where there isn't some asshole just sitting in the left lane, not actually passing anyone, but just cruising, sometimes neck and neck with the car next to them in the middle lane (about as dangerous a condition as you can get on a major highway) staring off into space not a care in the world.
Where are THOSE posters?
I forget if it was here or another forum I post on, but I offered to take vids on my phone of these creeps, and in two days my phone was FULL. Literally, FULL.
There's a woman on Youtube that has a channel dedicated to shitty CT drivers. I'll try and find it when I get home tonight.
I find that the people that won't get out of the fast lane don't want to slow down themselves, even if it's literally a mile an hour or two. The middle lane will be travelling at 62mph and they'll be going 64mph in the fast. Because they're technically going faster, they feel like staying in that lane is justified. I usually end up going all the way to the right lane to go around both people to get back over to the fast lane. I drive 500+ miles a week on the highway, and this makes my blood boil more than anything.
Also, I had to be in Fitchburg MA last sunday for 7AM. It was a solid two hour and fifteen minute drive. There was absolutely nobody on the road, and ironically, I had to drive slower as a result. On a Tuesday morning, if the majority of traffic is cruising at 80mph, I feel perfectly safe (from a cop standpoint) doing 85mph or 90mph. But as the lone car on the road, I was afraid to exceed 75mph, even though there is no safer time to speed than at 5:00am on a Sunday morning. I wish speed limits were based on time, but I'm sure drunk drivers are one of the main reasons against that.
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There's a woman on Youtube that has a channel dedicated to shitty CT drivers. I'll try and find it when I get home tonight.
I think there is one for many states. I happened to watch one recently in Missouri and thought it was terrible. The things that person said were "bad drivers" were things that don't even bother me it's so common place. I've been talking for awhile with my coworker about getting my own dashcam and doing my own youtube video. I think it would be way better than the one I watched.
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This....and when it's raining, or the road is wet. Do these people seriously think that riding one car length behind me will give them enough time to stop just in case something happens 4-6 car lengths in front of me? At speeds of 50+? Even if the pavement is dry, 'sorry, pal', but one car length is gonna have you smashing into my ass if I have to suddenly break. Five lengths is gonna have you smashing into my ass if I have to suddenly break....but you MIGHT have a chance to avoid me/us.
Look, I'm sure you guys are excellent drivers, and paying the utmost attention to those around you.... but for whatever reason, it always seems SO reasonable when written on forums like this, but it's SO unreasonable out in the real world. I don't know if people are just afraid to come on here and say "Oh, yeah, I space like a mofo all the time. I'm in the left lane, doing whatever it is I please, and don't give two shits about any other car around me. Maybe I'll just stay in that lane with 15 cars behind me - fucking over a mile and a half of traffic - or maybe I'll wait until there is a quarter mile gap and I'll SLOWLY slide into it, texting all the while!" but that's the reality, not what we're reading here. I'm on an interstate EVERY SINGLE DAY, and there's not a trip I've taken where there isn't some asshole just sitting in the left lane, not actually passing anyone, but just cruising, sometimes neck and neck with the car next to them in the middle lane (about as dangerous a condition as you can get on a major highway) staring off into space not a care in the world.
Where are THOSE posters?
I forget if it was here or another forum I post on, but I offered to take vids on my phone of these creeps, and in two days my phone was FULL. Literally, FULL.
Read through a couple of mine, and then also 'between the lines' of a few others, and you'll see some of the 'we aren't perfect' parts. Hell, Stadler, I copy/past and post in the wrong 'subject' at times :facepalm:
Here's one from a few months ago: after work, I then take my wife to a part time evening job. I go home. I go back to pick her up a couple of hours later. On our short drive back, on a four lane, two way, double yellow divider, 35 MPH street......I put on my signal to turn left....
......., and then crossed the double yellow into the oncoming lane for a short spell before making the turn!
I've driven that road hundreds of times. I hadn't had a drop of alcohol for weeks. I wasn't overly tired. There was zero stress. There was no oncoming traffic (if so, their headlights would have kept me from crossing over). I simply had a 100% total brain fart. Since then, I don't 'naturally' drive when I come to that turn, because I think of that 'miscue' every single time.
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Everyone is allowed their mistakes. I've got my share as well. No one's asking for "perfect", and while to some extent it's like a concert - Gene Simmons can be perfect for 99 Kiss shows, but he botches the lyrics to "Let Me Go, Rock and Roll" in one show, and it's all over the interwebs - it's more general behavioral patterns for me.
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I agree that people camping in the left lane is not ok but honestly atleast in the areas I drive people will move out of the way in most cases however tailgating someone is never the solution because you put everyone including yourself in a dangerous situation. I've seen so many cases of people tailgating and making the person infront nervous which end up with them doing a haisty right turn or speeding up in a aggressive way. Provoking aggressive situations by tailgating in heavy traffic is very dangerous. Doing a safe passby in the left lane is quite the opposite in most situations.
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How about this one? When you're the second car in the left turn lane, the sign at the intersection says "Left turn yield to oncoming traffic on green" (or something to that effect), the light is green for your direction of traffic, and the car in front of you doesn't pull out into the intersection as they are waiting for their left turn chance. Inevitably when this happens, the light turns yellow, and THEN they choose to go, leaving you to wait another light cycle. Not really "pissed off" material, but still can be annoying nonetheless...
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How about this one? When you're the second car in the left turn lane, the sign at the intersection says "Left turn yield to oncoming traffic on green" (or something to that effect), the light is green for your direction of traffic, and the car in front of you doesn't pull out into the intersection as they are waiting for their left turn chance. Inevitably when this happens, the light turns yellow, and THEN they choose to go, leaving you to wait another light cycle. Not really "pissed off" material, but still can be annoying nonetheless...
On the flip side, it's annoying when a car does pull into the intersection at a light where there is no chance they can ever make a left without the arrow, meaning they are still there when everything turns red, and then they have to turn, making people who just got the green at other lights have to wait for their dumbass to get out of the intersection.
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How about this one? When you're the second car in the left turn lane, the sign at the intersection says "Left turn yield to oncoming traffic on green" (or something to that effect), the light is green for your direction of traffic, and the car in front of you doesn't pull out into the intersection as they are waiting for their left turn chance. Inevitably when this happens, the light turns yellow, and THEN they choose to go, leaving you to wait another light cycle. Not really "pissed off" material, but still can be annoying nonetheless...
On the flip side, it's annoying when a car does pull into the intersection at a light where there is no chance they can ever make a left without the arrow, meaning they are still there when everything turns red, and then they have to turn, making people who just got the green at other lights have to wait for their dumbass to get out of the intersection.
DON'T BLOCK THE BOX.
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How about this one? When you're the second car in the left turn lane, the sign at the intersection says "Left turn yield to oncoming traffic on green" (or something to that effect), the light is green for your direction of traffic, and the car in front of you doesn't pull out into the intersection as they are waiting for their left turn chance. Inevitably when this happens, the light turns yellow, and THEN they choose to go, leaving you to wait another light cycle. Not really "pissed off" material, but still can be annoying nonetheless...
Since no one wants to cop to being "that guy" in the left lane who flips the bird and taps the brakes when asked to show a little courtesy and respect (even though there are FAR more of them than the reasonable people who move over when asked, or better yet, don't even get camped in the left lane to start with), I'll cop to something I'm not terribly proud of...
I have a left hand turn to make to get on the highway. It has a green arrow, then a green light both ways. The arrow is short (usually one car) but I find a lot of people just creep ahead slowly (but don't actually turn), or wait even on the green. When I'm the second car, I do not hesitate to turn and essentially "pass on the left" the person who is more content to text, wait, or pick their nose than engage in the task at hand and DRIVE. It doesn't happen often - maybe once every two, three months, or so, but other than the actual pass - which is dicklike, and probably illegal - I don't think I'm asking them to do anything unreasonable. GO. GREEN MEANS GO.
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Similar situation, we have a yield and merge to get onto the toll road near my house on my way to the parkway. I have the yield and it's one lane merging with another single lane. Sometimes the person at the yield signs, stops... and waits till who knows what. I've passed such a person on the right shoulder before. Dick move on my part, but why isn't the person moving?! I don't know and I don't care to wait all day and figure it out. My father got into a car accident in this same spot while I was in the car because the person at the yield didn't go when there were no cars coming so my dad hit the gas not knowing the person in front didn't move, at all. My father's fault, but this one spot people don't seem to move easily.
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One of mine and the main one is during congested traffic hours. People will clog the intersection without having the courtesy to stop in case the light turns red, causing the ones whose light turns green to wait or either not go at all.
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The absolute worst is when you show respect, you don't tailgate, but you flick the lights - recognized around the world as the friendly, polite signal that "I would like to pass; please move over" and they brake check you and/or flip the bird and/or just ignore you until they're good and ready to move (usually just to get off the exit).
I've never understood the logic of that. If I'm in such a hurry, why should the driver in front of me change lanes when I can just go into the middle lane and pass them? Why should they move over when I can move over myself? I could understand this flicker thing if the driver is going slow as shit but if they're doing a reasonably fast speed then who am I to tell them to get out of the way? In fact this is what everyone does here. They just pass.
The signature move in Fort Wayne though, is to pull out in front of someone and then drive at least 5 mph below the speed limit. This happens in two primary ways: the first is to make the right hand turn into oncoming traffic and slow them way down...
That happens a lot here too. I don't know if these people are shit at judging speed & distance or if they just simply don't give a fuck. The best is when they have kids in the car too or a "Baby on board" sticker.
Signalling! Don't people learn how to signal when they they're about to turn left or right? And turn your f'ing lights on!
This! Especially when they're merging on or off the highway where the merge lane is the same as the exit lane. I have no problem letting someone get on or off the highway but signal so I know what he fuck you're trying to do!
On the break check issue: When someone tailgates me the first thing I do is make sure I'm not going too damn slow. That definitely happens sometimes and the tailgater brings that to my attention. No problem. I don't want to be inconsiderate and hold anyone up but if it turns out the dildo behind me is a wannabe Racer X then I just keep going at the same speed. Just fucking pass me *shrug*
I also hate people who can't be bothered to stop at the line at stop signs. I don't like stopping either and it's not a big deal when there are no other cars around but when you're at a four-way stop sign with lots of traffic it just confuses the situation even more. Who goes first? The car that's creeping over the line the slowest or the car who stops way before the line?
And I hate that person who stops way before the line at a red light then proceeds to periodically creep forward while everyone else behind them does the same thing. Most of the time I follow along with the herd but sometimes I'm like Buck Swope at the Doughnut shop in Boogie Nights. "I'm not moving. I'm not moving". Sometimes there's like one and a half car lengths between me and the car in front of me 'cause they just can't sit still at the red light.
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I never understood the people who keep creeping over the line when they think the light is going to change. What time do you think you're saving? Congratulations, you're 4 feet into the intersection now. What a head start.
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I never understood the people who keep creeping over the line when they think the light is going to change. What time do you think you're saving? Congratulations, you're 4 feet into the intersection now. What a head start.
And I love when the light turns green and they don't go :facepalm:
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Man no shit, I see that so much around my town. There was one guy who was literally halfway into the intersection, no exaggeration there. I'm like okay at that point just run the fucking light. You're either that big of a cocksucker or you've got something that important to get to. Good god.
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Man no shit, I see that so much around my town. There was one guy who was literally halfway into the intersection, no exaggeration there. I'm like okay at that point just run the fucking light. You're either that big of a cocksucker or you've got something that important to get to. Good god.
Sometimes they're so far into the intersection and they can't even see the light anymore :facepalm:
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I never understood the people who keep creeping over the line when they think the light is going to change. What time do you think you're saving? Congratulations, you're 4 feet into the intersection now. What a head start.
If it's busy and everyone in line can creep up a few feet, you're allowing another car or two to potentially catch the green light. You might not be saving time being at the light, but as someone who hates sitting at red lights more than anything, I have no problem with people doing this.
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I never understood the people who keep creeping over the line when they think the light is going to change. What time do you think you're saving? Congratulations, you're 4 feet into the intersection now. What a head start.
I've seen people do that like they're in some kind of hurry. Like they can't wait for the light to turn green, and when it does, they can't even get out of their own way.
And I love when the light turns green and they don't go :facepalm:
It's called texting and not driving. I swear, almost every time I'm at a left turn arrow signal, when it turns, the person in front just sits there like they're waiting for it to turn purple or something and those left green arrows only last a few seconds.
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The absolute worst is when you show respect, you don't tailgate, but you flick the lights - recognized around the world as the friendly, polite signal that "I would like to pass; please move over" and they brake check you and/or flip the bird and/or just ignore you until they're good and ready to move (usually just to get off the exit).
I've never understood the logic of that. If I'm in such a hurry, why should the driver in front of me change lanes when I can just go into the middle lane and pass them? Why should they move over when I can move over myself? I could understand this flicker thing if the driver is going slow as shit but if they're doing a reasonably fast speed then who am I to tell them to get out of the way? In fact this is what everyone does here. They just pass.
Well, it's a way of not compounding the problem, and giving you a chance to do the right thing. One or both of us is probably afoul of the law with regards to speed, but that's our individual choice, and neither one of us is forcing the other to do anything. But when you add to that "not passing in the passing lane" (a law in most, but not all, states) and "passing on the right" (also a law in most, but not all, states) it's not only making it worse from a safety standpoint but also an insurance and court standpoint. Now, your lawbreaking is sort of forcing me to do the same (in a sense). Multiple violations like that can result in a reckless driving charge which in some states (like mine) is a 30 automatic suspension, and an extra $175 to reinstate your license.
"Who are you to tell them to get out of the way"? You are the slower car; slower traffic, move to the right. Neither car has a "right" to that spot, so - in addition to the legal ramifications above - there is an etiquette to driving that makes it better for everyone, especially if there is a line of cars behind you.
On the break check issue: When someone tailgates me the first thing I do is make sure I'm not going too damn slow. That definitely happens sometimes and the tailgater brings that to my attention. No problem. I don't want to be inconsiderate and hold anyone up but if it turns out the dildo behind me is a wannabe Racer X then I just keep going at the same speed. Just fucking pass me *shrug*
No offense, but the "I'm not moving over" and "I'm not moving" attitude is pretty much what we've all been talking about here. I commend you for being honest, but I honestly don't understand that mentality of "go around me". To me it's all part and parcel. It's the same attitude as the guy that stands in front of the McDonald's menu with a line of people behind him trying to decide between the Number One meal (Big Mac), Number Two meal (Quarter Pounder) and whether to Super Size it or not. The menu hasn't changed. You had the car ride over to decide. Move out of the way and let the world move on. You're not that special (the guy at McDonalds, not you, Herrick).
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I used to rarely pass on the right. Just felt wrong to go around someone that way like in the above example. However, I do it all of the time now. The rightmost lane is usually the most empty for some reason so I just fly down that way and move over when exits approach. I can't stand the unwillingness of people to move over in the left lane.
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I never understood the people who keep creeping over the line when they think the light is going to change. What time do you think you're saving? Congratulations, you're 4 feet into the intersection now. What a head start.
If it's busy and everyone in line can creep up a few feet, you're allowing another car or two to potentially catch the green light. You might not be saving time being at the light, but as someone who hates sitting at red lights more than anything, I have no problem with people doing this.
Me either, especially when the alternative - that car in front who's too busy checking their Facebook app to drive - may cost me five or even ten minutes (depending on how many cars are in line) because of their selfish inattentiveness.
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I used to rarely pass on the right. Just felt wrong to go around someone that way like in the above example. However, I do it all of the time now. The rightmost lane is usually the most empty for some reason so I just fly down that way and move over when exits approach. I can't stand the unwillingness of people to move over in the left lane.
That's me; less than optimum, but you adapt to your circumstances. It's probably for a different thread, but I feel that current times are a more selfish, "me first" time than they've been in a while, and I refuse to be held hostage by some numbnuts that either doesn't know or doesn't care how to make the roads better and safer for everyone.
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Well, it's a way of not compounding the problem, and giving you a chance to do the right thing. One or both of us is probably afoul of the law with regards to speed, but that's our individual choice, and neither one of us is forcing the other to do anything. But when you add to that "not passing in the passing lane" (a law in most, but not all, states) and "passing on the right" (also a law in most, but not all, states) it's not only making it worse from a safety standpoint but also an insurance and court standpoint. Now, your lawbreaking is sort of forcing me to do the same (in a sense). Multiple violations like that can result in a reckless driving charge which in some states (like mine) is a 30 automatic suspension, and an extra $175 to reinstate your license.
You are the slower car; slower traffic, move to the right. Neither car has a "right" to that spot, so - in addition to the legal ramifications above - there is an etiquette to driving that makes it better for everyone, especially if there is a line of cars behind you.
No offense, but the "I'm not moving over" and "I'm not moving" attitude is pretty much what we've all been talking about here. I commend you for being honest, but I honestly don't understand that mentality of "go around me". To me it's all part and parcel. It's the same attitude as the guy that stands in front of the McDonald's menu with a line of people behind him trying to decide between the Number One meal (Big Mac), Number Two meal (Quarter Pounder) and whether to Super Size it or not. The menu hasn't changed. You had the car ride over to decide. Move out of the way and let the world move on. You're not that special (the guy at McDonalds, not you, Herrick).
On a 3 or 2-lane road/highway passing on the right is legal in New York State. If I'm in the left lane and a bunch of cars are passing me then I'm going too slow and shouldn't even be in the left lane. However, if I'm going at a reasonable speed and keeping up with 99% of the other drivers in the left lane, I'm not going to move over for that one race car driver. If that driver can't pass me because there's traffic in the middle/right lane then I will speed up to give them room to pass.
I've only had one driver flash their lights and I didn't know what it meant back then because I was a new driver. I guess it's different in other states but everyone here passes when they need to. I don't think the McDonald's example really applies. It's more akin being on an escalator at an airport. Most people wait for the escalator to move them (keeping up with traffic). But I'll always stand to the side in case someone's in a hurry and needs to catch a flight. I think this situation is more similar to walking in a store or on a sidewalk. Do you ask people to move or do you walk around them?
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AZ is no different - I also fly past people in the right lanes now. I feel like this has shifted in the past year or so. Most studies show that doing this increases my - and everyone else's - chances for accidents. If slower drivers would just move over, we would all be safer.
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I never understood the people who keep creeping over the line when they think the light is going to change. What time do you think you're saving? Congratulations, you're 4 feet into the intersection now. What a head start.
The funny part is that they all want to be first. When I see a person next to me doing this I'll egg them on by moving forward one foot at a time. Invariably they'll creep up. It amuses me to be manipulative. The down side of this is that most of those people are thoughtless assholes:
If you drive a fucking 10 foot tall Escalade, you don't need to be in front of me to see the cross traffic! In my normal sized car I do need to be in front of you! In terms of things that piss me off driving, not being able to turn right on red because I can't see through some fucking POS driving his POS wannabe hard H2 is pretty high on my list. As somebody who's both observant and conscientious, I'm always mindful of where the drivers next to me are so that we can all see what's going on. It's really not all that hard. It just requires a teeny bit of attention. Nowadays, since nobody pays attention, I'll often stop nearly a car length back at a redlight so that I can see behind the car next to me. Then you get some asshole honking at you because he can't get as close to the light as possible.
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Honestly, just seeing an H2 on the road makes me a bit mad. To each their own and all, and god bless America for giving us such toys... but I just don't like that people choose to drive something like that. I loved when gas prices surged and you stopped seeing H2s on the road.
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I only do the creeping thing when I see someone going in the other direction making a left who looks like they're going to cut everyone off instead of waiting like they're supposed to. I get the jump on them and everyone else going straight doesn't have to wait. I think I'm justified in case.
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I never understood the people who keep creeping over the line when they think the light is going to change. What time do you think you're saving? Congratulations, you're 4 feet into the intersection now. What a head start.
The funny part is that they all want to be first. When I see a person next to me doing this I'll egg them on by moving forward one foot at a time. Invariably they'll creep up. It amuses me to be manipulative. The down side of this is that most of those people are thoughtless assholes:
If you drive a fucking 10 foot tall Escalade, you don't need to be in front of me to see the cross traffic! In my normal sized car I do need to be in front of you! In terms of things that piss me off driving, not being able to turn right on red because I can't see through some fucking POS driving his POS wannabe hard H2 is pretty high on my list. As somebody who's both observant and conscientious, I'm always mindful of where the drivers next to me are so that we can all see what's going on. It's really not all that hard. It just requires a teeny bit of attention. Nowadays, since nobody pays attention, I'll often stop nearly a car length back at a redlight so that I can see behind the car next to me. Then you get some asshole honking at you because he can't get as close to the light as possible.
Oh, that does piss me off to no end. I've definitely had that battle where I'm trying to see and they keep getting in the way.
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How about not planning in advance and picking the worst turn lane? I plan ahead when there are two turn lane choices. Left lane - just wanted to go straight or have a left coming up, Right lane - likely going to turn right for something near the intersection. This morning some asshat was in the left turn lane but needed to go right into something quarter of a mile down the road. If you knew you were going to have to turn right - use the right turn lane.
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AZ is no different - I also fly past people in the right lanes now. I feel like this has shifted in the past year or so. Most studies show that doing this increases my - and everyone else's - chances for accidents. If slower drivers would just move over, we would all be safer.
Serious question: Why is it safer for slower drivers to move into the middle or right lane? I understand that there's always a bit of risk when passing someone but isn't there also a risk when the slower driver wants to get back in the left lane?
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AZ is no different - I also fly past people in the right lanes now. I feel like this has shifted in the past year or so. Most studies show that doing this increases my - and everyone else's - chances for accidents. If slower drivers would just move over, we would all be safer.
Serious question: Why is it safer for slower drivers to move into the middle or right lane? I understand that there's always a bit of risk when passing someone but isn't there also a risk when the slower driver wants to get back in the left lane?
You have better visibility on your left side since that is the drivers side (in the US). People passing on your right are a bit harder to see. Also, on/off ramps are typically on the right so that is where the slower traffic will be. By passing people in this lane, you risk traffic disruption.
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AZ is no different - I also fly past people in the right lanes now. I feel like this has shifted in the past year or so. Most studies show that doing this increases my - and everyone else's - chances for accidents. If slower drivers would just move over, we would all be safer.
Serious question: Why is it safer for slower drivers to move into the middle or right lane? I understand that there's always a bit of risk when passing someone but isn't there also a risk when the slower driver wants to get back in the left lane?
Why would the slower driver want to get back in the left lane? That's the point. The left lane is NOT the "cruising lane". It's the PASSING lane. If you're a slower driver, by definition you don't really belong (safely) in the left lane.
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AZ is no different - I also fly past people in the right lanes now. I feel like this has shifted in the past year or so. Most studies show that doing this increases my - and everyone else's - chances for accidents. If slower drivers would just move over, we would all be safer.
Serious question: Why is it safer for slower drivers to move into the middle or right lane? I understand that there's always a bit of risk when passing someone but isn't there also a risk when the slower driver wants to get back in the left lane?
Why would the slower driver want to get back in the left lane? That's the point. The left lane is NOT the "cruising lane". It's the PASSING lane. If you're a slower driver, by definition you don't really belong (safely) in the left lane.
Exactly.
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AZ is no different - I also fly past people in the right lanes now. I feel like this has shifted in the past year or so. Most studies show that doing this increases my - and everyone else's - chances for accidents. If slower drivers would just move over, we would all be safer.
Serious question: Why is it safer for slower drivers to move into the middle or right lane? I understand that there's always a bit of risk when passing someone but isn't there also a risk when the slower driver wants to get back in the left lane?
Why would the slower driver want to get back in the left lane? That's the point. The left lane is NOT the "cruising lane". It's the PASSING lane. If you're a slower driver, by definition you don't really belong (safely) in the left lane.
Exactly.
A big problem in CT is that we have exits on the left side of the highway. People looking to get off will head to the fast lane 2 miles in advance and just chill at 55-60mph. Drives me nuts.
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Exits on the left are a nightmare.
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Exits on the left are a nightmare.
Yea, luckily there aren't too many of them here in NJ (hell, turning left at a light is often not even an option :lol) but there is one exit on the left on my way home from work and it always leads to a slow down for the reason Chino mentioned.
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AZ is no different - I also fly past people in the right lanes now. I feel like this has shifted in the past year or so. Most studies show that doing this increases my - and everyone else's - chances for accidents. If slower drivers would just move over, we would all be safer.
Serious question: Why is it safer for slower drivers to move into the middle or right lane? I understand that there's always a bit of risk when passing someone but isn't there also a risk when the slower driver wants to get back in the left lane?
Why would the slower driver want to get back in the left lane? That's the point. The left lane is NOT the "cruising lane". It's the PASSING lane. If you're a slower driver, by definition you don't really belong (safely) in the left lane.
Exactly.
A big problem in CT is that we have exits on the left side of the highway. People looking to get off will head to the fast lane 2 miles in advance and just chill at 55-60mph. Drives me nuts.
We have some left exits here in North Carolina, but it's an oddity. The overwhelming majority are on the right (where they are SUPPOSED to be).
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AZ is no different - I also fly past people in the right lanes now. I feel like this has shifted in the past year or so. Most studies show that doing this increases my - and everyone else's - chances for accidents. If slower drivers would just move over, we would all be safer.
Serious question: Why is it safer for slower drivers to move into the middle or right lane? I understand that there's always a bit of risk when passing someone but isn't there also a risk when the slower driver wants to get back in the left lane?
Why would the slower driver want to get back in the left lane? That's the point. The left lane is NOT the "cruising lane". It's the PASSING lane. If you're a slower driver, by definition you don't really belong (safely) in the left lane.
Exactly.
A big problem in CT is that we have exits on the left side of the highway. People looking to get off will head to the fast lane 2 miles in advance and just chill at 55-60mph. Drives me nuts.
I-91 South into Hartford, to get on I-84 is exactly like that. GRRRRR!!!!
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You have better visibility on your left side since that is the drivers side (in the US). People passing on your right are a bit harder to see. Also, on/off ramps are typically on the right so that is where the slower traffic will be. By passing people in this lane, you risk traffic disruption.
Don't I also risk traffic disruption by moving into that lane to allow a driver behind me to get in front of me?
Why would the slower driver want to get back in the left lane? That's the point. The left lane is NOT the "cruising lane". It's the PASSING lane. If you're a slower driver, by definition you don't really belong (safely) in the left lane.
The slower driver (me) would want to get into the left lane because if I want to do 75 and the drivers in the middle lane are doing 65 & 60 in the right, I would be constantly passing everyone.
I've only driven on Long Island and from what I've seen the left lane isn't solely used for passing. It's pretty much a faster cruising lane on 3-lane highways. If I'm keeping up with the vast majority of traffic in the left lane then I do belong in that lane. It doesn't happen often but if someone behind me wants to go faster then they pass me by going into the middle lane. I've only had someone flash their lights once and that was well over 10 years ago.
Edit: Sorry guys. I'm not trying to be an argumentative Douche.
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You have better visibility on your left side since that is the drivers side (in the US). People passing on your right are a bit harder to see. Also, on/off ramps are typically on the right so that is where the slower traffic will be. By passing people in this lane, you risk traffic disruption.
Don't I also risk traffic disruption by moving into that lane to allow a driver behind me to get in front of me?
Why would the slower driver want to get back in the left lane? That's the point. The left lane is NOT the "cruising lane". It's the PASSING lane. If you're a slower driver, by definition you don't really belong (safely) in the left lane.
The slower driver (me) would want to get into the left lane because if I want to do 75 and the drivers in the middle lane are doing 65 & 60 in the right, I would be constantly passing everyone.
I've only driven on Long Island and from what I've seen the left lane isn't solely used for passing. It's pretty much a faster cruising lane on 3-lane highways. If I'm keeping up with the vast majority of traffic in the left lane then I do belong in that lane. It doesn't happen often but if someone behind me wants to go faster then they pass me by going into the middle lane. I've only had someone flash their lights once and that was well over 10 years ago.
Edit: Sorry guys. I'm not trying to be an argumentative Douche.
Well, you're right about "Long Island"; it's that way here, too, in Connecticut. The point is, though, is that most of them are wrong. They sit there, passively driving, thinking it's their right to do so. That the roads are the way they are doesn't mean they can't all be a SHIT TON better. Start with the fools that sit in the MIDDLE lane at 55 thinking THAT'S their right. Next time you're on the highway, count how many times traffic is bottle-necking around the car in the middle lane just doing it's own thing, oblivious to everything around them.
Speed is irrelevant. If your middle lane is going 65, and you want to go 75, and there's a line that wants to go 80, well, choices have to be made, and in that case, was I you, I WOULD be "constantly passing" the 65 mph cars. They get to travel their speed, I get to travel mine, and the 80's get to travel theirs. Everyone wins. Is it more work for me? Yeah, but this isn't a passive activity.
When you're hurtling a 4,000 pound densely packed mass of metal down a concrete/asphalt plane at 60 miles an hour, there is nothing passive about it. You're there to drive. Not eat McDonald's, or listen to "The Astonishing", or text your girlfriend behind your wife's back. You're there to DRIVE. And if you've got lane to your right, MOVE THE FUCK OVER. It's the law. Literally, you could take an average stretch of highway (more than two lanes, that is) and move EVERYONE over one lane to the right, not one of those cars' travel time or quality would change one iota, and you'd open up an entire lane for faster traffic. You'd have less road rage, less congestion, and less disruption of the flow of traffic.
(And no, this isn't all just me spewing opinions; I was a civil engineer in college who had a couple classes on this, and there's an excellent book called "Traffic!" that talks about this in depth. Some is my opinion in terms of what is right, but a lot is based on science.)
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Edit: Sorry guys. I'm not trying to be an argumentative Douche.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I never once thought you were an argumentative douche. Just someone from Long Giland. :)
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I've found this video to be very helpful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oqfodY2Lz0
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You have better visibility on your left side since that is the drivers side (in the US). People passing on your right are a bit harder to see. Also, on/off ramps are typically on the right so that is where the slower traffic will be. By passing people in this lane, you risk traffic disruption.
Don't I also risk traffic disruption by moving into that lane to allow a driver behind me to get in front of me?
How so? I certainly wouldn't expect someone to squeeze into a spot in the middle lane to move over (causing the person in the middle lane to hit the brakes). You still got to wait until the middle lane is clear before you move over and if you were already going faster than them (as you should be in the left lane) then there is no disruption.
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To me it's simply about uniformity. Let's all try and be on the same page here. Since people are entering from the right, that's where traffic needs to be slowest. If you need to go around somebody, let's all do it in a faster lane, rather than a slower lane. If there are 6 lanes, they should be moving progressively faster the further left you go. It's just normally the case that standardization works better than mayhem and every man for himself. I mean, how does that work at a 4-way stop when the signals' out?
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You know.. I never said that brake checking was the safest thing to do. To be fair, I hardly ever do that on the freeway. I should have clarified that it's side streets and neighborhood streets where it happens to me the most. And even then, I typically camp in the right lane anyway. So yeah.. not too smart, and I agree that it lets my anger control my driving.. but I'm a laid back person. Except behind the wheel. My ex will vouch for that. :lol :biggrin:
Now. Texas seems to just LOVE the left exit on the freeway bunk. I personally cannot STAND left exits. I mean, from an aesthetic standpoint maybe. For practical driving? Noooooooooooooo. Eff dat shit. Don't left exit my right exits, freeway planners.
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I utterly fed up with this move:
Any amount of lane road, doesn't matter cuz it happens on all of them. Car/Truck pulls out from a side road or yield lane into fast moving traffic with the expectation that whomever is cruising down the road needs to slow down or change lanes in order not to plow right into them.
I'm to the point to where I think this is an epidemic in Missouri and there have been more than one occasion when these :censored :censored have pulled out in front of me that I've contemplated not slowing down and not changing lanes....just plowing right into them.
IT IS NOT MY responsibility to slow down or change lanes to avoid hitting Idiots that do this. If you can't get up to speed in time to avoid getting hit by traffic then that's your indicator that it's not a good idea to pull out into traffic. Yet, I see this happen at least a dozen times a day easily.
It drives me INSANE!!
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I utterly fed up with this move:
Any amount of lane road, doesn't matter cuz it happens on all of them. Car/Truck pulls out from a side road or yield lane into fast moving traffic with the expectation that whomever is cruising down the road needs to slow down or change lanes in order not to plow right into them.
I'm to the point to where I think this is an epidemic in Missouri and there have been more than one occasion when these :censored :censored have pulled out in front of me that I've contemplated not slowing down and not changing lanes....just plowing right into them.
IT IS NOT MY responsibility to slow down or change lanes to avoid hitting Idiots that do this. If you can't get up to speed in time to avoid getting hit by traffic then that's your indicator that it's not a good idea to pull out into traffic. Yet, I see this happen at least a dozen times a day easily.
It drives me INSANE!!
There used to be a specific location on my way to work where this happened to me about 3 times a week. And I didn't have to slow down a little, I had to slow down a LOT. I contemplated hitting them a number of times as well, but I was always afraid it would be ruled my fault.
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My only 'at fault' accident: failure to yield (appealed it, paid the fine, was cited, but had the points removed). It 'was my fault, yet it wasn't'.
I totally get the frustration of molasses mergers/darters. >:(
In the news this week: traffic deaths in the US jumped to 40,002 last year. The first increase in ten years. https://fortune.com/2017/02/15/traffic-deadliest-year/
Here is a wiki link with stats up through 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year
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I utterly fed up with this move:
Any amount of lane road, doesn't matter cuz it happens on all of them. Car/Truck pulls out from a side road or yield lane into fast moving traffic with the expectation that whomever is cruising down the road needs to slow down or change lanes in order not to plow right into them.
I'm to the point to where I think this is an epidemic in Missouri and there have been more than one occasion when these :censored :censored have pulled out in front of me that I've contemplated not slowing down and not changing lanes....just plowing right into them.
IT IS NOT MY responsibility to slow down or change lanes to avoid hitting Idiots that do this. If you can't get up to speed in time to avoid getting hit by traffic then that's your indicator that it's not a good idea to pull out into traffic. Yet, I see this happen at least a dozen times a day easily.
It drives me INSANE!!
I agree, that's awful.
Here's another I see: Car # 1 is coming onto the interstate. Car # 1 needs to merge into the right hand lane.
Car # 2 is in the right hand lane, and they go the same speed as merging Car # 1, making it impossible for Car # 1 to merge. Even worse, Car # 1 can't accelerate to merge in front of Car # 2 because there are other cars already in front of Car # 2. Also, there's a short ramp, so Car # 1 is running out of road, and if Car # 2 would just go to the left hand lane, that would open up room for Car # 1 to merge onto the interstate. But Car # 2 won't move.
Keep in mind that in this scenario (which I see all the time), the left hand lane is pretty much empty, so there is no good reason for Car # 2 not to move over and let Car # 1 onto the interstate.
Car # 2 is an asshole.
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I drive a 125cc motorbike.
100% of people pull out in front of me. Now I just slow down at all junctions if there's a car waiting because...yep...of course.
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Completely agree, hef. I've also see situations where Car #2 sees that Car #1 needs to merge but purposely either speeds up or slows down to block Car #1 from merging out of some strange spite. That tends to happen when someone is going slow, gets passed, and then they get mad that they were passed even though they were going slow so they speed up to prove a point of some kind.
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Holy Crap one time I was out driving and suddenly out of nowhere it sounded like a plane was crashing.
Looked around and a Ferrari fuckin SCREAMED past me. I could hear that thing for the next 20 miles at least :lol
But scared me out of my wits for that one instant.
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I utterly fed up with this move:
Any amount of lane road, doesn't matter cuz it happens on all of them. Car/Truck pulls out from a side road or yield lane into fast moving traffic with the expectation that whomever is cruising down the road needs to slow down or change lanes in order not to plow right into them.
I'm to the point to where I think this is an epidemic in Missouri and there have been more than one occasion when these :censored :censored have pulled out in front of me that I've contemplated not slowing down and not changing lanes....just plowing right into them.
IT IS NOT MY responsibility to slow down or change lanes to avoid hitting Idiots that do this. If you can't get up to speed in time to avoid getting hit by traffic then that's your indicator that it's not a good idea to pull out into traffic. Yet, I see this happen at least a dozen times a day easily.
It drives me INSANE!!
I agree, that's awful.
Here's another I see: Car # 1 is coming onto the interstate. Car # 1 needs to merge into the right hand lane.
Car # 2 is in the right hand lane, and they go the same speed as merging Car # 1, making it impossible for Car # 1 to merge. Even worse, Car # 1 can't accelerate to merge in front of Car # 2 because there are other cars already in front of Car # 2. Also, there's a short ramp, so Car # 1 is running out of road, and if Car # 2 would just go to the left hand lane, that would open up room for Car # 1 to merge onto the interstate. But Car # 2 won't move.
Keep in mind that in this scenario (which I see all the time), the left hand lane is pretty much empty, so there is no good reason for Car # 2 not to move over and let Car # 1 onto the interstate.
Car # 2 is an asshole.
This was one of the things I firmly remember from Drivers ED back in high school. Anytime you're approaching a ramp that's entering the highway and you are in that far right hand lane you should always try to move over to the left a lane just to free up that lane for oncoming merging traffic. It's the right thing to do....now if you can't you can't....but more often than not you could if you just put some thought into it.