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Dream Theater => Concerts and Set Lists => Topic started by: bosk1 on January 30, 2017, 11:32:05 AM
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It may all get posted somewhere else, but since people have asked in a couple of threads, I figured I'd start one here. If those at the show or following the show see this, please post set list and other details HERE. Thanks.
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Thanks bosk1!!!
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No problem. Can't wait for the reports!
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Stage shot (from the other thread): https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16387006_1575335845815938_5884271334413099712_n.png?oh=16c8f66ea96a0624e7e3a995aa25c101&oe=5907DAEE
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Following for the live reactions :metal Enjoy to all who will be there! :yarr
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Wish I was there.... will see the show in Stockholm and if the stars align also in Katowice
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Is DT letting people film this one?
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Anybody here knows how much time for the show to start?
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Is DT letting people film this one?
I thought they were dropping the camera enforcement
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One hour, give or take...
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Is DT letting people film this one?
I don't know about "letting people film," but the no camera rule from the TA tour is supposed to be gone, so it should be easier.
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:corn
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Stage shot (from the other thread): https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16387006_1575335845815938_5884271334413099712_n.png?oh=16c8f66ea96a0624e7e3a995aa25c101&oe=5907DAEE
Strange: they deleted all the behind the scenes pics. They told me they would upload more pics but they deleted everything instead.
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One hour, give or take...
:tup :metal
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Octavarious is in the place !!
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/16395486_10210578945383581_1159498384_n.jpg?oh=cde14bbc6ed551ecf3fb907f1261e5f0&oe=589227B7)
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Octavarious is in the place !!
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/16395486_10210578945383581_1159498384_n.jpg?oh=cde14bbc6ed551ecf3fb907f1261e5f0&oe=589227B7)
EDIT : nothing special for the merchandising: there's a cool tee with the Images and Words cover.
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Looks like a nice theater. :tup
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Zoom on the drums and the keys
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/16441406_10210578973984296_987250277_n.jpg?oh=e7fa59499ef3f353a04533a8523aa282&oe=589164FA)
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And you were right : The Dark Eternal Night
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Alright, here we go! :metal
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Before TDEN, there was a long orchestral intro (a new one, never heard before).
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t35.0-12/16389224_10210579033905794_1917947808_o.jpg?oh=e45324292e0d921de94fece9aa1307dc&oe=58924087)
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t35.0-12/16409513_10210579038225902_1903281040_o.jpg?oh=f186df4efa2c4c02ac19437230938210&oe=58913AE0)
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Pretty interesting. I don't llike studio version but live is somewhat enjoyable.
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EDIT : nothing special for the merchandising: there's a cool tee with the Images and Words cover.
Does it pretty much look like the old-school T-shirts from the 92-93 tour or is it different? And are there any tourbooks?
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No idea, I'm gonna ask Octavarious to post a pic of the merchandising during the intermission or at the end.
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The Bigger Picture (live premiere)
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Fuck yes....
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How does James sound?
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Fuck yes....
??? I know people have mixed feelings about DT influences in their songs, but I have never felt like that song sounded anything at all like Yes. But even so, why the hostility?
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The setlist on setlist.fm has just been edited with Blind Faith but it hasn't been confirmed by Octavarious.
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The Bigger picture is a very cool choice, I'm picturing it perfectly as the 2nd song.
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The setlist on setlist.fm has just been edited with Blind Faith but it hasn't been confirmed by Octavarious.
I hope its true
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TDEN live was pretty amazing in 2012, especially with the ending keytar solo (never thought I'd say that!). Also great to see TBP finally hitting the scene and a comeback from a well loved and often underrated classic!
On a side note, I second:How does James sound?
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Fuck yes....
??? I know people have mixed feelings about DT influences in their songs, but I have never felt like that song sounded anything at all like Yes. But even so, why the hostility?
I don't know if you joking. But, I meant it as an "Awesome they're playing this song."
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Hello guys.
Its great to have live setlist from the place 😄 . Thanks a lot.
Looks like interesting setlist. Iam curious about new intro.
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Fuck yes....
??? I know people have mixed feelings about DT influences in their songs, but I have never felt like that song sounded anything at all like Yes. But even so, why the hostility?
:rollin
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On a side note, I second:How does James sound?
The question was asked but not answered.
Hell's Kitchen (not Blind Faith, the second editor is just writing shit on setlist.fm)
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I was gonna say about Blind Faith - man James must feel like hes Superman :lol
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:metal :metal to Hell's Kitchen!
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:metal :metal to Hell's Kitchen!
Seconded. Gotta be LITS next
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On a side note, I second:How does James sound?
On an unrelated note: hey Marco - clear out your inbox! Can't PM you! :)
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I was gonna say about Blind Faith - man James must feel like hes Superman :lol
:rollin they would have to call an ambulance after the encore :biggrin:
The setlist is pretty amazing, already. Do you think they'll follow up with LITS? :o
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Three songs in, the score so far:
Opening song: check
DT12 song: check
FII song: check
Instrumental: check
Irrational DT influence hatred: check
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Time for the first JLB's break. :lol
Lines in the sand has to be next, obviously.
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Three songs in, the score so far:
Opening song: check
DT12 song: check
FII song: check
Instrumental: check
Irrational DT influence hatred: check
Theyve hit a lot in the first three. So theres BAI and some Astonishing to come. Reckon LITS next and those few songs round out the first set?
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Three songs in, the score so far:
Opening song: check
DT12 song: check
FII song: check
Instrumental: check
Irrational DT influence hatred: check
You forgot "SC song" "monster song" "second song" and "third song".
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The Gift of Music. dtforums has guessed all the songs so far.
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No Lines in the Sand? :sadpanda:
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No Lines in the Sand? :sadpanda:
Nope. But I believe we definitely still have some non-TA songs other than BAI. I just don't remember what they are at the moment. :lol
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A Life Left Behind, one of my favourite!
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Since they chose TBP this time, I really hope they play STR on the next tour (2018 maybe?). It's the most recent song with JM lyrics and was one of Mangini's favorites from DT12.
Also, hope James can hold up through the whole set :-\
No Lines in the Sand? :sadpanda:
Nope. But I believe we definitely still have some non-TA songs other than BAI. I just don't remember what they are at the moment. :lol
Was HK the song that was never played in it's final form?
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I just don't remember what they are at the moment. :lol
LIAR! :yarr
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Good grief - yeah! That's the live debut of Hell's Kitchen in its entirity I think.
So far they're 3 for 3 on 10/10 songs. A Life Left Behind next, yeah? Neat.
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On a side note, I second:How does James sound?
On an unrelated note: hey Marco - clear out your inbox! Can't PM you! :)
Now you can!
Looks like the start of a TA block. I hope it's not too long! We had plenty of that last year!
Was HK the song that was never played in it's final form?
It was played a handful of times in the final bunch of semi-acoustic club shows in 1998, but not ever since. 18 years ago, people.
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Holy shit, it's rob fucking webster.
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Do you think there's gonna be set A and B ?
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Well, here's another TA song : Our New World
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Good grief - yeah! That's the live debut of Hell's Kitchen in its entirity I think.
Nope - 4 of the 5 1998 Home for the Holidays shows had it in its entirety.
On an unrelated note: hey Marco - clear out your inbox! Can't PM you! :)
Now you can!
PM on its way soon.
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Set is looking great so far :corn
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Was HK the song that was never played in it's final form?
Well, that was what I had in mind when I originally posted that. But then after someone guessed it and Scotty posted that that song had actually been played a couple of times, I posted that Scotty's correction was...correct.
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Holy shit, it's rob fucking webster.
ghosts from the past abound in this thread :mora: :P
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Ghosts are returning! Hey Milena and rob. :)
Also sweet setlist so far.
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Milena!! Such a long time without hearing from you!! :rollin
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Oh, and not that it has any significance whatsoever, but just thought I'd mention that I'm listening to Epica at the moment. :P
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Do not trust setlist.fr, there is an annoying troll (dark eternal) who is writing some sh... and has just deleted all my setlist.
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New JP intro leading to The Spirit Carries On
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Thank you for the correction Scotty!
Holy shit, it's rob fucking webster.
ghosts from the past abound in this thread :mora: :P
WE RISE FROM OUR GRAVES IN SEARCH OF SETLISTS
(Also sup hef.)
Do not trust setlist.fr, there is an annoying troll (dark eternal) who is writing some sh... and has just deleted all my setlist.
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The Dark Eternal Night
The Bigger Picture
Hell's Kitchen
The Gift of Music
A Life Left Behind
Our New World
keyboards + The Spirit Carries On
Is this correct so far?
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HK but no LITS? :sadpanda: If TSCO is getting played, then I bet As I Am is coming up soon as well, being another of last year's encore songs.
Oh, and hi to all the ghosts :biggrin:
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I like TSCO, but I wish they would bring back Home or BTL.
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Correct but the intro to TSCO was done by JP.
Setlist Scotty is joining the resistance against the evil troller on setlist.fm
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intro
The Dark Eternal Night
The Bigger Picture
Hell's Kitchen
The Gift of Music
A Life Left Behind
Our New World
keyboards + The Spirit Carries On
Is this correct so far?
Other than the fact that you have JP playing keyboards, yes.
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Was HK the song that was never played in it's final form?
Well, that was what I had in mind when I originally posted that. But then after someone guessed it and Scotty posted that that song had actually been played a couple of times, I posted that Scotty's correction was...correct.
No problem with that! Thanks for all the hints and clues you posted about the set :)
I like TSCO, but I wish they would bring back Home or BTL.
Agree. TSCO has been played A LOT in recent years.
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Holy shit, it's rob fucking webster.
ghosts from the past abound in this thread :mora: :P
:metal
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HK but no LITS? :sadpanda: If TSCO is getting played, then I bet As I Am is coming up soon as well, being another of last year's encore songs.
Not sure why, but my gut feeling is that the other encore oldie PMU is gonna be in the setlist too....
:biggrin:
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TSCO feels overplayed, but is also basically a foregone conclusion in what is more or less a "greatest hits" tour by any other name. I was expecting the list to be far more conventional than what's been played so far, so I can't get too grumpy about (yet another!) TSCO.
intro
The Dark Eternal Night
The Bigger Picture
Hell's Kitchen
The Gift of Music
A Life Left Behind
Our New World
keyboards + The Spirit Carries On
Is this correct so far?
Other than the fact that you have JP playing keyboards, yes.
Wait, which one's the stringy one
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Was HK the song that was never played in it's final form?
Well, that was what I had in mind when I originally posted that. But then after someone guessed it and Scotty posted that that song had actually been played a couple of times, I posted that Scotty's correction was...correct.
No problem with that! Thanks for all the hints and clues you posted about the set :)
I like TSCO, but I wish they would bring back Home or BTL.
Agree. TSCO has been played A LOT probably all the time in recent years.
fixed it.
it's almost as if they believe they will die if they skip it :P
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Setlist Scotty is joining the resistance against the evil troller on setlist.fm
You like my note for TGoM? :biggrin:
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TSCO has become DT's "Free Bird".
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HK but no LITS? :sadpanda: If TSCO is getting played, then I bet As I Am is coming up soon as well, being another of last year's encore songs.
Not sure why, but my gut feeling is that the other encore oldie PMU is gonna be in the setlist too....
:biggrin:
I can neither confirm nor deny such rumor.
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TSCO ending with a Pastorius solo by John Myung leading to As I Am!!
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HK but no LITS? :sadpanda: If TSCO is getting played, then I bet As I Am is coming up soon as well, being another of last year's encore songs.
Not sure why, but my gut feeling is that the other encore oldie PMU is gonna be in the setlist too....
:biggrin:
No way! :omg:
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HK but no LITS? :sadpanda: If TSCO is getting played, then I bet As I Am is coming up soon as well, being another of last year's encore songs.
Not sure why, but my gut feeling is that the other encore oldie PMU is gonna be in the setlist too....
:biggrin:
I can neither confirm nor deny such rumor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_6BBAVfzqM
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Setlist Scotty is joining the resistance against the evil troller on setlist.fm
You like my note for TGoM? :biggrin:
Very much :)
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TSCO ending with a Pastorius solo by John Myung leading to As I Am!!
Called it!
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I honestly couldn't remember whether AIA was in there or not.
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Do you think there's gonna be setlist A and B ?
Haha I hope its not private party here :D
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Damn, aside from the first 3 songs or so, this setlist is kind of dull, no? More of the "been there, done that" variety. Oh well. Looking forward to see what the encore is and a big "Hellyeah" for TBP! :tup
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Somebody just added TBOT on Setlist fm :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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I'm fighting against that troll, trust only what I edit!
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As I Am with an excerpt from Enter Sandman :metal :metal leading to Breaking All Illusions
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Somebody just added TBOT on Setlist fm :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Now, THAT would be "special"....but OH SO "WRONG"! ;)
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Well...there's the end of the first set.
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I'm assuming BAI will end set 1
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I'm assuming BAI will end set 1
I thought this too, but, no A New Beginning? :'(
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I assume too.
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Setlist Scotty is joining the resistance against the evil troller on setlist.fm
You like my note for TGoM? :biggrin:
Very much :)
Some sore loser couldn't leave it up (and take a joke). Oh well. :P
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Damn, aside from the first 3 songs or so, this setlist is kind of dull, no? More of the "been there, done that" variety. Oh well. Looking forward to see what the encore is and a big "Hellyeah" for TBP! :tup
Hey man, if that's your attitude maybe they should have played robwebster after The Spirit Carries On instead
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I'm assuming BAI will end set 1
I thought this too, but, no A New Beginning? :'(
Definitely surprised that this one didn't make it, or Moment of Betrayal for that matter. Bosk, what was the song you were commenting earlier that lended itself to be perfect for a guitar solo? TSCO?
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9th song, according to setlist.fm, is Breaking All Illusions. I presume that's the last one in the first part of the set before moving to Images and Words?
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The setlist on setlist.fm is the right one, unless it has been edited by darketernal. So I think we could say that BAI is going to end the first set.
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Damn, aside from the first 3 songs or so, this setlist is kind of dull, no? More of the "been there, done that" variety. Oh well. Looking forward to see what the encore is and a big "Hellyeah" for TBP! :tup
TBH I'm not that thrilled by it either, but it makes sense for DT to do a safer setlist after only playing TA in full for the majority of last year's tour. Oh well, I&W is the main course of this tour anyway, and based on the hints the encore will be awesome.
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I called TDEN as the opener!! :metal
Setlist looks pretty sweet so far.
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I'm assuming BAI will end set 1
I thought this too, but, no A New Beginning? :'(
Definitely surprised that this one didn't make it, or Moment of Betrayal for that matter. Bosk, what was the song you were commenting earlier that lended itself to be perfect for a guitar solo? TSCO?
I like both songs much more than A Life Left Behind and Our New World :-\
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My buddy said the first set looks like someone put DT on shuffle, and then just jotted down what played. "yup. That's gonna be the set!"
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Damn, aside from the first 3 songs or so, this setlist is kind of dull, no? More of the "been there, done that" variety. Oh well. Looking forward to see what the encore is and a big "Hellyeah" for TBP! :tup
TBH I'm not that thrilled by it either, but it makes sense for DT to do a safer setlist after only playing TA in full for the majority of last year's tour. Oh well, I&W is the main course of this tour anyway, and based on the hints the encore will be awesome.
Yeah. This. BAI is a top 5 DT song for me, the rest are like "okay,cool I guess". Still excited to go though!
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I'm assuming BAI will end set 1
I thought this too, but, no A New Beginning? :'(
Definitely surprised that this one didn't make it, or Moment of Betrayal for that matter. Bosk, what was the song you were commenting earlier that lended itself to be perfect for a guitar solo? TSCO?
Yup.
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As I Am with an excerpt from Enter Sandman :metal :metal leading to Breaking All Illusions
They probably thought they were playing Peruvian Skies instead ;D
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Right, as it is the end of the first set and as we know what the second set will be about, I'm gonna stop posting things. Octavarious will update if there are any changes in the song, any soli or excerpts and I hope he will post some pics of the merchandising. See you for the encore!
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Right, as it is the end of the first set and as we know what the second set will be about, I'm gonna stop posting things. Octavarious will update if there are any changes in the song, any soli or excerpts and I hope he will post some pics of the merchandising. See you for the encore!
Could you please ask him if JP used the NOMAC Majesty for the TA tracks? :o
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I'm assuming BAI will end set 1
I thought this too, but, no A New Beginning? :'(
Definitely surprised that this one didn't make it, or Moment of Betrayal for that matter. Bosk, what was the song you were commenting earlier that lended itself to be perfect for a guitar solo? TSCO?
I like both songs much more than A Life Left Behind and Our New World :-\
You and me both, altho I do like ALLB more than the rest of the album, especially the intro.
BAI is a top 5 DT song for me, the rest are like "okay,cool I guess". Still excited to go though!
I'd rather they had done something else other than BAI since it's already been played extensively on the Dramatic and AftR tours, and most other tracks haven't.
My buddy said the first set looks like someone put DT on shuffle, and then just jotted down what played. "yup. That's gonna be the set!"
Aside from the first few tracks, I agree that the first set is underwhelming, altho I'm glad to see that they were willing to throw in a bit of Enter Sandman - gives me hope that maybe they've changed some more stuff up that Octavarious hasn't relayed to the keyboard wizard when giving him the setlist.
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Yea besides the opening tracks, it seems DT went DT by the numbers afterwards. It's OK though, there's lots of goodies in the set and they can't do a whole set without including some staples (AIA, TSCO, BAI).
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Aside from the first few tracks, I agree that the first set is underwhelming, altho I'm glad to see that they were willing to throw in a bit of Enter Sandman - gives me hope that maybe they've changed some more stuff up that Octavarious hasn't relayed to the keyboard wizard when giving him the setlist.
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I must say I am very pleased with this so far. Yes, some songs have been played quite often on recent tours, but I do not mind so much as these are great songs! BAI is my all time favorite song, so cannot hear that enough. And some nice surprises with TBP and HK. Now, let's hope for that encore!!
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Yea besides the opening tracks, it seems DT went DT by the numbers afterwards. It's OK though, there's lots of goodies in the set and they can't do a whole set without including some staples (AIA, TSCO, BAI).
Agreed. Good stuff so far for the most part.
Also - someone mentioned a Enter Sandman jam at the end of As I Am?! Maybe this signals a willingness to throw some jams in here and there?
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Yea, the Enter Sandman part makes me hopeful that they add little extras like that in the future :metal
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A couple of short clips are online already, namely the ending of TBP and the first verse of Spirit: https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/dreamtheater/
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Yea besides the opening tracks, it seems DT went DT by the numbers afterwards. It's OK though, there's lots of goodies in the set and they can't do a whole set without including some staples (AIA, TSCO, BAI).
Understood, but I RESPECTFULLY disagree. I'd feel it would have been better to play:
ANYTHING from TOT instead of AIA (especially SOC)
How about a rarely played "Through Her Eyes" instead of the played out TSCO
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How about "Lost Not Forgotten" instead of BAI?
I'm not saying these are better or worse than the ones played, but just not OVERPLAYED!
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Yea besides the opening tracks, it seems DT went DT by the numbers afterwards.
I have no idea what this means, since "DT by the numbers" is...anything but "by the numbers." :lol That phrase just doesn't really hold any meaning to me, try as I might to understand it.
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Just thinking about that transition from TBP to Hell's Kitchen (same key, right?) The big chord fading out into the synth. That's gonna be epic.
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James is out of tune in the final verse of tgb... not a good sign
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What is their fixation with AIA?? What a waste of 7 minutes in a set.
And TSCO...again??
Those are my complaints. Other than that..all good.
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What is their fixation with AIA?? What a waste of 7 minutes in a set.
And TSCO...again??
Those are my complaints. Other than that..all good.
Both are overplayed songs indeed. Hope they change them in the future legs of the tour.
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Yea besides the opening tracks, it seems DT went DT by the numbers afterwards. It's OK though, there's lots of goodies in the set and they can't do a whole set without including some staples (AIA, TSCO, BAI).
Understood, but I RESPECTFULLY disagree. I'd feel it would have been better to play:
ANYTHING from TOT instead of AIA (especially SOC)
How about a rarely played "Through Her Eyes" instead of the played out TSCO
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How about "Lost Not Forgotten" instead of BAI?
I'm not saying these are better or worse than the ones played, but just not OVERPLAYED!
Given the stated intent of relying heavily on fan favorites, with a couple of rarities (which we got in HK and TBP), none of your choices make sense over the ones that actually were played.
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That first set is...weird, I dunno. TDEN as an opener isn't something I would've pictured in a thousand years, and they really should give The Spirit Carries On a rest.
So happy to see Hell's Kitchen and The Bigger Picture there, tho.
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Robwester!!!
Great first set btw. Tsco has been played to death and beyond but hey that's the point of the song
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That first set is...weird, I dunno. TDEN as an opener isn't something I would've pictured in a thousand years
Not sure why you feel that way. It thunders in with a big heavy riff, has a long enough intro for James to come out a bit later than the band like he often does - high energy, crowd-pleasing song. Ticks the boxes for me.
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Yeah, I didn't mean it was bad, just stated it was weird given they have so many songs that can open up a concert so nicely (in that album you have ITPOE Pt.1, which is still the best song SC has to offer IMO) and they still went after TDEN.
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Yea besides the opening tracks, it seems DT went DT by the numbers afterwards. It's OK though, there's lots of goodies in the set and they can't do a whole set without including some staples (AIA, TSCO, BAI).
Understood, but I RESPECTFULLY disagree. I'd feel it would have been better to play:
ANYTHING from TOT instead of AIA (especially SOC)
How about a rarely played "Through Her Eyes" instead of the played out TSCO
&
How about "Lost Not Forgotten" instead of BAI?
I'm not saying these are better or worse than the ones played, but just not OVERPLAYED!
Given the stated intent of relying heavily on fan favorites, with a couple of rarities (which we got in HK and TBP), none of your choices make sense over the ones that actually were played.
I guess that's true. I guess then I have an issue with their "stated intent" ;)
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Yea besides the opening tracks, it seems DT went DT by the numbers afterwards. It's OK though, there's lots of goodies in the set and they can't do a whole set without including some staples (AIA, TSCO, BAI).
Understood, but I RESPECTFULLY disagree. I'd feel it would have been better to play:
ANYTHING from TOT instead of AIA (especially SOC)
How about a rarely played "Through Her Eyes" instead of the played out TSCO
&
How about "Lost Not Forgotten" instead of BAI?
I'm not saying these are better or worse than the ones played, but just not OVERPLAYED!
Given the stated intent of relying heavily on fan favorites, with a couple of rarities (which we got in HK and TBP), none of your choices make sense over the ones that actually were played.
It's true that there would be a focus on fan favorites, but certainly Endless Sacrifice could have been used to represent ToT this time around, which is something MM already knew. And for the European audiences, it would've been nice for them to finally get LNF or TiTL (both of which were never played there) instead of BAI for the third time around. And I'd wager Home is as much of a fan favorite as TSCO is, which IMO would be a much better choice and could have closed out the set, seeing as neither LNF or TiTL would be a good way to end the first set.
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It's true that there would be a focus on fan favorites, but certainly Endless Sacrifice could have been used to represent ToT this time around, which is something MM already knew. And for the European audiences, it would've been nice for them to finally get LNF or TiTL (both of which were never played there) instead of BAI for the third time around. And I'd wager Home is as much of a fan favorite as TSCO is, which IMO would be a much better choice and could have closed out the set, seeing as neither LNF or TiTL would be a good way to end the first set.
Agreed.
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Yeah, I didn't mean it was bad, just stated it was weird given they have so many songs that can open up a concert so nicely (in that album you have ITPOE Pt.1, which is still the best song SC has to offer IMO) and they still went after TDEN.
ITPOE-1 would be quite a weird opener, I'd say. The introduction of JLB after 6 minutes or so, and in a quieter moment of the song, would feel absolutely anti-climatic.
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I guess I've just always had the idea that DT fans aren't your regular "play me the popular songs" kind of crowd. I've been going to DT shows since '96 and I can't remember a "non fan favorite" ::) getting any less of a reaction that say "PMU". Times change obviously, and they just want to play it safe I guess. Damn shame. So many great songs in their catalog. :censored
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Yeah, I didn't mean it was bad, just stated it was weird given they have so many songs that can open up a concert so nicely (in that album you have ITPOE Pt.1, which is still the best song SC has to offer IMO) and they still went after TDEN.
ITPOE-1 would be quite a weird opener, I'd say. The introduction of JLB after 6 minutes or so, and in a quieter moment of the song, would feel absolutely anti-climatic.
They opened a couple of concerts back in 2009 with that one and I thought it was amazing, but yeah you kinda have a point.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BP50GcbhV4R/
Cool lighting rig above that wasn't too clear from the other photos.
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AIA, TSCO, and PMU were all played at the end of TA tour so maybe since those songs were recently rehearsed, it allowed the guys to focus on other songs they haven't been playing.
I'm surprised they didn't play A New Beginning though. I thought for sure that would be set 1's closer.
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Yeah, I didn't mean it was bad, just stated it was weird given they have so many songs that can open up a concert so nicely (in that album you have ITPOE Pt.1, which is still the best song SC has to offer IMO) and they still went after TDEN.
ITPOE-1 would be quite a weird opener, I'd say. The introduction of JLB after 6 minutes or so, and in a quieter moment of the song, would feel absolutely anti-climatic.
Leeds 2009. ItPoE1 was a supreme opener.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKbTb-eB3Q4&t=2m30s
No footage of James emerging, but the cheer was no quieter than any of the others...
Nothing against The Dark Eternal Night - it and ItPoE1 are the two perfect tens on that album, in my book - but man!
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So, it looks like there is no background video this tour! I wasn't expecting this, to say the least.
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So, it looks like there is no background video this tour! I wasn't expecting this, to say the least.
Good, they don't have to worry about that lining up with a click track and they can just play.
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Have a feeling it's a "money making" tour, to make back the potential profits lost on TA tours. That's probably why it's pretty bare bones. I like it better this way anyway. I want to watch the guys, and all the video stuff distracts from them.
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They didn't lose money on the TA tour.
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So, it looks like there is no background video this tour! I wasn't expecting this, to say the least.
Quite disappointing considering how high is the average ticket's price
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I think it's an unexpected change of plans, too. The videos for and stage show for The Astonishing must have been incredibly costly, and I think they were expecting to get a little more use out of them than they eventually did. The last thing they need to do right now is commission another expensive stage show in the middle of the same tour cycle.
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8V and ACOS in?!?!
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2017/sala-santa-cecilia-auditorium-parco-della-musica-rome-italy-1bf8c97c.html
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Yeah, I didn't mean it was bad, just stated it was weird given they have so many songs that can open up a concert so nicely (in that album you have ITPOE Pt.1, which is still the best song SC has to offer IMO) and they still went after TDEN.
ITPOE-1 would be quite a weird opener, I'd say. The introduction of JLB after 6 minutes or so, and in a quieter moment of the song, would feel absolutely anti-climatic.
They opened a couple of concerts back in 2009 with that one and I thought it was amazing, but yeah you kinda have a point.
They used it to open a lot of shows for ProgNation 2008, and I know it was used on occasion to open up a handful of headlining shows in 2007 as well. Personally, I think it's a great way to open the show, even if JL doesn't come out right away.
So, it looks like there is no background video this tour! I wasn't expecting this, to say the least.
You are correct - no video this time around.
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They didn't lose money on the TA tour.
Probably not. The guaranteed money comes from the promoter and a small percentage of ticket sales goes to the band. Even with cancelled shows, I think they still receive some money, depending on the wording of the contract from DT. The merch was selling like hot pancakes in both nights that I went in the US.
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So, it looks like there is no background video this tour! I wasn't expecting this, to say the least.
Good, they don't have to worry about that lining up with a click track and they can just play.
Have they confirmed no click track for this tour? It'll be interesting to see if the gig feels any different (which I assume it would take on a different kind of energy) to other MM tours.
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So, it looks like there is no background video this tour! I wasn't expecting this, to say the least.
Good, they don't have to worry about that lining up with a click track and they can just play.
Have they confirmed no click track for this tour? It'll be interesting to see if the gig feels any different (which I assume it would take on a different kind of energy) to other MM tours.
Yea it would be nice to know if the lack of video does mean no click.
Also, ITPOE pt1 is an awesome opener. They opened with it one night I saw them and thought it was great. :metal
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So, it looks like there is no background video this tour! I wasn't expecting this, to say the least.
Given that there were barely 2 months (including the holidays) between the end of TA tour and this show, I bet they didn't have enough time to hire anyone to come up with projections for the songs they hadn't played with MM before. A bit of a bummer, but the stage still looks pretty cool.
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8V and ACOS in?!?!
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2017/sala-santa-cecilia-auditorium-parco-della-musica-rome-italy-1bf8c97c.html
I was just looking at this, seems way too good to be true.. they are my 2 favourite songs EVER. Can someone at the show confirm this?
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8V and ACOS in?!?!
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2017/sala-santa-cecilia-auditorium-parco-della-musica-rome-italy-1bf8c97c.html
I was just looking at this, seems way too good to be true.. they are my 2 favourite songs EVER. Can someone at the show confirm this?
I'm not at the show and can confirm that is BS. Just read this thread, someones messing with the setlist. You can follow here when people at the show confirm the encore.
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Don't trust updates from the user named "darketernal".
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Does anybody know what part of the set are they? The should be finishing the IAW anytime now :o
8V and ACOS in?!?!
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2017/sala-santa-cecilia-auditorium-parco-della-musica-rome-italy-1bf8c97c.html
I was just looking at this, seems way too good to be true.. they are my 2 favourite songs EVER. Can someone at the show confirm this?
It's just people trolling on setlist fm. Wait till keyboard wizard posts the encore songs on this thread.
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Don't trust setlist.fm unless I'm editing.
I cannot confirm but if you take the timing into account it's impossible : the first set ended a 9:40 pm. Let's say there was a 20min intermission. So the second set with images would start at 10pm. It's only 11pm here in France/Italy so they are only listening to Learning to live
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I thought it was too good to be true, what a shame. I imagine playing them back to back and the band re learning them would take an insane feat
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They didn't lose money on the TA tour.
True. I guess the promoters were the big losers (at least on the 2nd US leg).
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And now some suckers are saying that SDOIT (the second cd) is played live.
Unfortunately I cannot confirm as Octavarius has gone dark but it's impossible (with the timing) that they are playing Solitary Shell right now.
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I don't get why they would do that.. what's the gain? Incredibly frustrating
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Sorry for going ot, but this thing about losing money drives me crazy.
People gives for granted things that are not, like how this things works or details.
Does anyone here know the fees for any or all the theaters/palasports they're playing? Or how much does DT ask for a concert? Or for this run? How much do DT pay for crew or trucks?
It may happens, and it has happened lots of times with a lot of artists, but thing are really less obvious than what you think.
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Now the BS carries on : You not Me seriously... I liked when someone said that Petrucci was dancing naked...
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Sorry for going ot, but this thing about losing money drives me crazy.
People gives for granted things that are not, like how this things works or details.
Does anyone here know the fees for any or all the theaters/palasports they're playing? Or how much does DT ask for a concert? Or for this run? How much do DT pay for crew or trucks?
It may happens, and it has happened lots of times with a lot of artists, but things are really less obvious than what you think.
Sorry for double posting quoting myself, i'm typing from iPhone...
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Sorry for going ot, but this thing about losing money drives me crazy.
People gives for granted things that are not, like how this things works or details.
Does anyone here know the fees for any or all the theaters/palasports they're playing? Or how much does DT ask for a concert? Or for this run? How much do DT pay for crew or trucks?
It may happens, and it has happened lots of times with a lot of artists, but things are really less obvious than what you think.
Sorry for double posting quoting myself, i'm typing from iPhone...
99% of my typos on this forum have come from typing on the iphone, I know your pain :biggrin:
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Now the BS carries on : You not Me seriously... I liked when someone said that Petrucci was dancing naked...
I agree it's ridiculous .
Thanks for all your work !
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Petrucci was dancing naked...
:omg: The Bigger Picture, indeed! :eyebrows:
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End of second set and here are the updates
Another day longer with Jordan solo
Take the time longer with JP solo
And ACOS for the encore!!
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:woot:
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Hell yeah ACOS, I knew they'd do it! Now I can finally go to bed in peace :lol
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Another day longer with Jordan solo
Smart move on their part. :tup
Tata longer with JP solo
Smart move on their part. :tup
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ACOS as encore would just be too good to be true!!!
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What's TATA? Take the Time?
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ACOS as encore would just be too good to be true!!!
It's true.
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Sorry, my phone auto corrected TTT
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What's TATA? Take the Time?
The extended version is nicknamed "Take All Time Always"
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End of second set and here are the updates
Another day longer with Jordan solo
Tata longer with JP solo
And ACOS for the encore!!
So they're doing Another Day like they last did with MP in the band. And is "Tata" supposed to be TtT?
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ACOS as encore would just be too good to be true!!!
It's true.
OMG, I will just totally freak out next week in Holland. Thank you DT.
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yups, 013 here we come! :-)
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Now that we know the whole set, which could be the other monster song (besides ACOS) Mangini was refering to when he said he was transcribing 2 monster songs?
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TDEN is a song about a monster... Maybe Octavarium and they would switch every other night... But that would be a mistake as the fans want to hear them both.
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Now that we know the whole set, which could be the other monster song (besides ACOS) Mangini was refering to when he said he was transcribing 2 monster songs?
I'm guessing Learning To Live. I don't believe they had played it with him before this, and it really is a monster of a song.
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Now that we know the whole set, which could be the other monster song (besides ACOS) Mangini was refering to when he said he was transcribing 2 monster songs?
HK? Or take the time!
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Now that we know the whole set, which could be the other monster song (besides ACOS) Mangini was refering to when he said he was transcribing 2 monster songs?
I'm guessing Learning To Live. I don't believe they had played it with him before this, and it really is a monster of a song.
That was played on the Summer tour preceding ADToE :) Perhaps you mean TTT?
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Now that we know the whole set, which could be the other monster song (besides ACOS) Mangini was refering to when he said he was transcribing 2 monster songs?
I'm guessing Learning To Live. I don't believe they had played it with him before this, and it really is a monster of a song.
They did play it with MM before.
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Now that we know the whole set, which could be the other monster song (besides ACOS) Mangini was refering to when he said he was transcribing 2 monster songs?
I'm guessing Learning To Live. I don't believe they had played it with him before this, and it really is a monster of a song.
That was played on the Summer tour preceding ADToE :)
Right. Just saw that as I was going back double checking. Not sure then. I guess someone will have to ask him that.
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You can hear LtL on the Happy Holidays bootleg
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Now the BS carries on : You not Me
I'd LOVE that! Not a favorite of mine, but I've never seen it live,
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Me too but definitely not a fan favourite ;) unlike ACOS.
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Now that we know the whole set, which could be the other monster song (besides ACOS) Mangini was refering to when he said he was transcribing 2 monster songs?
I'm guessing Learning To Live. I don't believe they had played it with him before this, and it really is a monster of a song.
That was played on the Summer tour preceding ADToE :) Perhaps you mean TTT?
Probably - besides ACoS, TBP and HK, it's the only song that MM had to learn for this setlist, assuming they continue with the static setlist.
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The highlights of this setlist for me are definitely TBP and HK. ACOS isn't a particular favorite but I am very interested to hear it with this lineup. Also glad it seems like they are throwing in a few extended sections. I hope this will continue. This is only the first show, so who knows what could change (within reason, anyway).
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Plot twist: they defy the climatic ending trope closing with Through My Words of The Overing Sojourn as a second encore.
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ACOS! Now, that's a big surprise.
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I think it's an unexpected change of plans, too. The videos for and stage show for The Astonishing must have been incredibly costly, and I think they were expecting to get a little more use out of them than they eventually did. The last thing they need to do right now is commission another expensive stage show in the middle of the same tour cycle.
OMFG A WILD ROB WEBSTER APPEARS :omg: :omg:
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Great pro pic where you can see Mike's kit and Jordan's stand
https://m.facebook.com/EmanuelaVhBonetti/photos/a.1696622297228838.1073741828.1696179013939833/2192858460938550/?type=3&source=57&refid=52&ref=bookmarks¬if_t=feedback_reaction_generic&__tn__=E
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More updates : drum solo during Metropolis, front stage duo with JP and JR
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More updates : drum solo during Metropolis, front stage duo with JP and JR
Drum solo during Metropolis? That's a new one. Do you know if they did the cool jazzy thing before the final verse they did on Luna Park? It was a highlight for me!
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Everything Octavarius tells me, I write it on the forum so I don't know if they did the luna park version. Myung did a jazzy intro before As I Am, that's all I know.
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The only question left...is the encore solely ACOS, or is there anything after that? (not that ACOS wouldn't be enough in and of itself)
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I'm convinced it's only ACOS : it lasts more than 20min which is the average duration for a DT encore.
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I only have one question.
Did they play the "unbroken spirit" verse in TTT?
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Great pro pic where you can see Mike's kit and Jordan's stand
https://m.facebook.com/EmanuelaVhBonetti/photos/a.1696622297228838.1073741828.1696179013939833/2192858460938550/?type=3&source=57&refid=52&ref=bookmarks¬if_t=feedback_reaction_generic&__tn__=E
Love this! Thanks for sharing.
More updates : drum solo during Metropolis, front stage duo with JP and JR
That's something I REALLY want to see some footage of :o
Also, did James need reanimation after the set? Just asking... :biggrin:
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By looking at the videos on Instagram it's seems that they played the I&W set half step down :(
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That's really not a problem.
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What is their fixation with AIA?? What a waste of 7 minutes in a set.
And TSCO...again??
Those are my complaints. Other than that..all good.
THIS. I'm gonna start to hate those songs... AIA never was special to me, and TSCO is going to make it in every gig I've seen them 'till now :(
Anyway, ACOS was very expected and is indeed very welcome. I'm just missing some 6DOIT.
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I only have one question.
Did they play the "unbroken spirit" verse in TTT?
Yes.
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Labrie was definitely the highlight of the show, he did what I thought would be humanly impossible and managed to keep very consistent and powerful for the entire show. He did sound like he was at least 10 years younger.
And that F#... damn :metal
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By looking at the videos on Instagram it's seems that they played the I&W set half step down :(
I know it's very hard to, but can someone confirm that? There's nothing wrong with that, anyway.
Labrie was definitely the highlight of the show, he did what I thought would be humanly impossible and managed to keep very consistent and powerful for the entire show. He did sound like he was at least 10 years younger.
And that F#... damn :metal
That's great to hear! :metal
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I am interested to hear whether I&W was indeed tuned down. I don't mind it personally, I think changing the sound slightly would make it sound fresh in addition to being a bit easier on the throat for James.
I really like the set, although I would maybe replace BAI with A New Beginning and The Spirit Carries On for Lines in the Sand following Hell's Kitchen. Really awesome to see HK being played finally though!
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Is that true that they will playing The Count of Tuscany too? With ACOS and Hell's Kitchen??? Woow.
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Is that true that they will playing The Count of Tuscany too? With ACOS and Hell's Kitchen??? Woow.
No count
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Drum solo during Metropolis? That's a new one.
Actually, it's not. Did you forget about the 2 shows at the beginning of the Music in Progress tour with the weird setlist (opening with Learning to Live!) that also featured Metropolis with a short drum solo? Altho I'm curious to know if they put the solo in the same place or not.
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they mangini'd the part after the bass-solo, there's a video on instagram of it: https://www.instagram.com/p/BP6Diy5jVwE/
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By looking at the videos on Instagram it's seems that they played the I&W set half step down :(
I'd say maybe that was the case and it would explain the ease Labrie had in doing the hardest parts.
To be honest though I didn't notice, and if it helped him to sing the original melodies then I'd say it was a good choice.
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they mangini'd the part after the bass-solo, there's a video on instagram of it: https://www.instagram.com/p/BP6Diy5jVwE/
Very cool.
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Anyone want to spare a fella from sifting through 6 pages of thread and type out the set list from the show?
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As far as I can tell:
Intro
The Dark Eternal Night
The Bigger Picture
Hell's Kitchen
The Gift of Music
A Life Left Behind
Our New World
The Spirit Carries On
As I Am
Breaking All Illusions
intermission
Pull Me Under
Another Day
Take The Time
Surrounded
Metropolis (w/ drum solo)
Under A Glass Moon
Wait For Sleep
Learning To Live
Encore
A Change of Seasons
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First show wasn't even over yet, and people were already complaining about the set list. DTF never fails to deliver!! :lol :biggrin:
While a few tweaks could have made it better, it is still pretty awesome overall. I&W alone makes it worthy, A Change of Seasons is awesome, and it is beyond wonderful to see Hell's Kitchen back in the live set. And you gotta love them finally playing The Bigger Picture.
If you had said, "they will play three songs from The Astonishing," I would have figured The Gift... and Our New World would be two of them. A Life Left Behind is a little surprising. While not one of my favorites, it's still a very good tune and a good inclusion.
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As far as I can tell:
Intro
The Dark Eternal Night
The Bigger Picture
Hell's Kitchen
The Gift of Music
A Life Left Behind
Our New World
The Spirit Carries On
As I Am
Breaking All Illusions
intermission
Pull Me Under
Another Day
Take The Time
Surrounded
Metropolis (w/ drum solo)
Under A Glass Moon
Wait For Sleep
Learning To Live
Encore
A Change of Seasons
Thank you VERY much, I appreciate that
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Thank you VERY much, I appreciate that
:tup
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AIA is rather unwelcome, especially since they've been way more family-friendly since MP's departure. Overplayed for sure. Besides that and TDEN, looks like an awesome show. Can't wait for the US dates.
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I am soooooooo over TSCO and TDEN is a little played out but other than that, the setlist is AWESOME!
I hope they keep things the same when they head to the states. Even though I pretty much hate The Astonishing, there are 3 songs on that album that I love and those just happen to be the 3 they played. Well done, Dream Theater!
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So, Learning to Live sounds like it's either in D, or D#. It's not in standard
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The Bigger Picture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B49_neoLkTI
:metal
James, those pants? :lol
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they mangini'd the part after the bass-solo, there's a video on instagram of it: https://www.instagram.com/p/BP6Diy5jVwE/
Very cool.
So that is what Mangini is saying about changing some of the drumming in the I&W songs. :metal
Where's the drum solo? ;)
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tomorrow there will be plenty of videos on youtube. So far it's just the bigger picture and a part of Learning to live, which i believe is downtuned?
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So, Learning to Live sounds like it's either in D, or D#. It's not in standard
Judging by the little clips I've seen on Instagram, they played WFS in the original key. The little I heard from Metropolis and UAGM did sound different/lower though.
I'm really glad they detuned some songs, actually. It shows they care for James's voice and aren't askim him to deliver the same register as he did 25 years ago. He's one of the best vocalists in the genere, but definitely not infalible. Also, unless you have perfect pitch or a tuner with you, you won't really notice the key change in the songs.
What I do wonder is whether Jordan transposed his keyboard or if he's actually playing the songs in the lower key. He's very capable of learning them in the new key, and I think he did that, because, for what I know, people with perfect pitch (which Jordan has) really struggle with changing the tuning of their instruments, since they already know how each note sounds with each fret/position/key.
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As far as I can tell:
Intro
The Dark Eternal Night
The Bigger Picture
Hell's Kitchen
The Gift of Music
A Life Left Behind
Our New World
The Spirit Carries On
As I Am
Breaking All Illusions
intermission
Pull Me Under
Another Day
Take The Time
Surrounded
Metropolis (w/ drum solo)
Under A Glass Moon
Wait For Sleep
Learning To Live
Encore
A Change of Seasons
Thank you VERY much, I appreciate that
That is a great setlist. Complaints? I would have loved for them to play Surrender to Reason instead of As I Am, but it's not really a big deal because they played A Change of Seasons!! I can't wait to see bootlegs from this tour.
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What I would change in this setlist is to replace TSCO with Chosen.
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Just one man's opinion. I put set 1 into media and listened and it actually flows pretty damn well. I still have issues with some songs being played on this tour (see below), but overall it's a great night of DT music. Because of TBP, I & W and ACOS, this might be a 2 stop tour for me. :tup
Set 1:
Intro
The Dark Eternal Night (cool rockin' opener :hefdaddy)
The Bigger Picture :hefdaddy :hefdaddy :hefdaddy
Hell's Kitchen (nice add, especially NOT going into LITS which makes it pretty cool on its' own :hefdaddy :hefdaddy)
The Gift of Music (one of the better songs off of TA :hefdaddy)
A Life Left Behind (good song, but a dullard LIVE :tdwn) Would have replaced with "Wither" selfishly since I've yet to see that ;)
Our New World (Best song BY FAR on TA. Has to be in this set more than any other TA song :tup)
The Spirit Carries On (Fantastic song and always love JP solo's :hefdaddy, but would have rather seen "Through Her Eyes")
As I Am ( :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn Would have much rather see SOC or ITNOG and just dropped ALLB)
Breaking All Illusions (great song, good set closer :tup)
intermission
Images & Words :tup :tup :tup
Encore
A Change of Seasons (Nothing needs to be said here) :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup :tup
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I have :tup, :tdwn, & :hefdaddy in all of the same spots!
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What I would change in this setlist is to replace TSCO with Chosen.
This! May JP hear you.
Just one man's opinion. I put set 1 into media and listened and it actually flows pretty damn well.
It does, indeed! I made a playlist on my phone for set 1 (+ ACOS) and listened to the first 3 songs on my short (20 some mins.) walk home and they flow perfectly into each other. Very cool way to start the set :metal
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YES!!!! What a setlist!! HK, TBP, I&W in full and ACoS!!! This is a two stop tour for me when they're in the states!
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That's one fine lookin' set list. :tup
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I looked up clips of the I&W songs and they are definitely tuned a half step down with the exception of WFS:
PMU intro: https://www.instagram.com/p/BP6BCh8gZgH/
PMU: https://www.instagram.com/p/BP6DdchB4SU/
Another Day: https://www.instagram.com/p/BP6G7Q5Dp0f/
TTT: https://www.instagram.com/p/BP6DsqXBRhw/
Metropolis intro: https://www.instagram.com/p/BP6CSQzFWZw/
Metropolis instrumental section (as posted by Schurftkut earlier): https://www.instagram.com/p/BP6Diy5jVwE/
UAGM intro: https://www.instagram.com/p/BP6KP3uAi0x/
UAGM solo: https://www.instagram.com/p/BP6CpYYBPGn/
WFS: https://www.instagram.com/p/BP6P7SCl4IL/
LTL: https://www.instagram.com/p/BP6EJN-Bf9x/
No vids of Surrounded yet, but it's safe to assume it was downtuned too.
EDIT: 2-minute Youtube video of LTL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5akdnq5jJ1I
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Just one man's opinion. I put set 1 into media and listened and it actually flows pretty damn well.
I did this also. :lol And one thing I also noticed is that Set 1 is not vocally challenging for James, so they are reserving him for Set 2.
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Oh man what a great set list! Can't wait for Paris, and indeed London. I wonder if they might swap or change a song or two for each show they play?
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I looked up clips of the I&W songs and they are definitely tuned a half step down with the exception of WFS:
Clever move.
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I looked up clips of the I&W songs and they are definitely tuned a half step down with the exception of WFS:
Clever move.
Yeah. Honestly for the sake of JLB's voice I'm glad they did that even if it sounds a little different
ACOS was in the original key, yes?
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Hell's Kitchen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjJ7TNwMM8k
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As I Am :tdwn :tdwn :tdwn
*checks username*
wtf :lol
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Drum solo? I thought it was just the change in Metropolis. Anyone know where this was fit in?
https://youtu.be/CzljqGXBXf4
As I Am:
https://youtu.be/_zWNXNlmhEk
Despite a lot of people saying its overplayed the crowd loves that one
Take The Time: https://youtu.be/5YVpHzIHKYY
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Love the jam at the end of TTT. It's great they tried to change the songs a bit and add some fun.
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So they brought back the "Unbroken spirits" section of TTT. While it was a nice surprise, James is struggling with it painfully. The jam at the end is really cool, MM is so much fun to watch.
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damn. the game done changed. May have to see this tour for ACOS now! I saw all of I+W on it's 15th anniversary tour in Newcastle so while I would enjoy it, I don't feel a huge need to see it again. Will probably keep an eye on the set and if ACOS is in every gig i'll make the trip
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It's quite understandable. This part is really challenging and it's the first show of the tour. I think he will improve on that part.
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Just upset that no video screen this time. Are they playing big venues? Bit of a shame, and I cant make my mind up about those squares. Seems a bit 90s, unless thats what theyre going for.
A bit surprised by the omission of A New Beginning!
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I'm still waiting for a video of ACOS. Not just because it's awesome but to hear the crowd reaction, too.
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I looked up clips of the I&W songs and they are definitely tuned a half step down with the exception of WFS:
Clever move.
Yeah. Honestly for the sake of JLB's voice I'm glad they did that even if it sounds a little different
ACOS was in the original key, yes?
No idea, we'll see when the first videos of that surface. The intro to Metropolis sounds pretty cool downtuned IMO, but I kinda wish they'd transposed WFS too, because now the reprise in LTL is in a different key, which might sound a little jarring at the show. I'm glad they're making James' job a bit easier, considering how long the shows are and how intense their schedule is.
Take The Time: https://youtu.be/5YVpHzIHKYY
Ouch, that second verse was rough! Then again, James always sounds a bit off at the start of each tour. I noticed he sang the first few lines lower than the album version like MP did on the SC and BC&SL tours - I wonder if that's a permanent thing. I also like how he made the audience recite the movie sample in the middle, since they were in Italy. :D The jam in the end is pretty cool too.
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I honestly couldn't remember whether AIA was in there or not.
Ok, now I can confirm posts above saying you, sir, are a liar.. I knew they were going to play that one since you posted that "read between the lines" comment in the other thread.. :lol
First show wasn't even over yet, and people were already complaining about the set list. DTF never fails to deliver!! :lol :biggrin:
While a few tweaks could have made it better, it is still pretty awesome overall. I&W alone makes it worthy, A Change of Seasons is awesome, and it is beyond wonderful to see Hell's Kitchen back in the live set. And you gotta love them finally playing The Bigger Picture.
If you had said, "they will play three songs from The Astonishing," I would have figured The Gift... and Our New World would be two of them. A Life Left Behind is a little surprising. While not one of my favorites, it's still a very good tune and a good inclusion.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts about what I've read in this thread..
I can understand the "oh, I wish they've played this one instead" kind of comments, but don't get why playing 'overplayed' songs (which they aren't -as some have said before, while having live staples like PMU, TSCO or AIA, DT lacks of that type of songs-), or not using video screens or tuning down just a half step (a totally needed thing for James... the man's 53 and he sings in Dream Theater ffs) would mean decisions to be upset about..
Actually, now that they've played TBP, there are only THREE songs they haven't played: "The Best of Times" (and we know why they haven't or never will play this one), "False Awakening Suite" (and they did use it as the intro tape for the AftR tour anyways) and "Surrender to Reason" (which I think it's a matter of time for them to play it)... And that's it.. I don't think there's any other band in the world that can say they've played the amount of different songs and thus diversity of music DT has played over the years.. But yeah, for some E is NE..
About the TA songs, ALLB is one of my favorites, although almost everything in that album is it.. As for the other two songs, I do like them too, although I'd have prefer something like Three Days, Ravenskill or The Path that Divides, but I'm cool with them anyways (after all I'm not seeing them this time -my brother is though, this very day!)..
In line with what I said above, I can't see how not playing a song from a 34-track album like TA would be doing an "omission" at all.. But what do I know?.. :lol
Ok, now, let's see those vids... :corn
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I like TSCO a lot, but I've seen it live like 6 times now. Other than that, I'd call it a solid setlist.
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I honestly couldn't remember whether AIA was in there or not.
Ok, now I can confirm posts above saying you, sir, are a liar.. I knew they were going to play that one since you posted that "read between the lines" comment in the other thread..
In line with what I said above, I can't see how not playing a song from a 34-track album like TA would be doing an "omission" at all.. But what do I know?.. :lol
I thought the general consesus was that A New Beginning was one of the best on the whole album. And with plenty of room to change things up in the solo?
For me, TA is allll good. They couldve pulled any 3 songs and i wouldve been happy. But yeah, just strange they chose ALLB over ANB
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Loved the set, good stuff all around!
Watching through some of the videos posted so far in the thread, it's super refreshing to see some jamming and improvising back in a DT show! That jam at the end of TTT was cool, and it looks like they slotted in extensions of songs in other spots too, JM extended intro for AIA, extended intro for TSCO, drum break in Met, etc....
Please lord, bring this tour to the states, I'd travel for hours to see this show.
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Pull Me Under: https://youtu.be/IQOgIvQHSA4
Great atmosphere last night. Hope all the shows are like this so that the band can feed off of the energy! :metal
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Pull Me Under: https://youtu.be/IQOgIvQHSA4
Great atmosphere last night. Hope all the shows are like this so that the band can feed off of the energy! :metal
I got to imagine the band feels good to have the fans excited again. This is awesome.
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I thought the general consesus was that A New Beginning was one of the best on the whole album. And with plenty of room to change things up in the solo?
For me, TA is allll good. They couldve pulled any 3 songs and i wouldve been happy. But yeah, just strange they chose ALLB over ANB
If you look at the songs in the first set, none of them are really vocally challenging for JLB, except for the outro of TBP and some portions of TVOM. ANB has some soaring vocals when the Faythe parts come in. I think they really are reserving James for thr second set.
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Pretty cool set. Really glad Hell's Kitchen made an appearance. And while I am not a huge fan of TA, it is good they continue to represent it well, particularly in this sort of anniversary setlist of a 25-year-old record.
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So they brought back the "Unbroken spirits" section of TTT. While it was a nice surprise, James is struggling with it painfully. The jam at the end is really cool, MM is so much fun to watch.
He does not groove! He has no dynamics!
Looks like MM is in fun Extreme-days territory in that jam. :LOL
The amusing thing in the YT vids is that the Mangini haters are abound again, actively disliking the vids and filling the comments with Mangini sounds like a drum machine.
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So they brought back the "Unbroken spirits" section of TTT. While it was a nice surprise, James is struggling with it painfully. The jam at the end is really cool, MM is so much fun to watch.
He does not groove! He has no dynamics!
Looks like MM is in fun Extreme-days territory in that jam. :LOL
The amusing thing in the YT vids is that the Mangini haters are abound again, actively disliking the vids and filling the commengs with Manginia sounds like a drum machine.
DT fans can be pretty terrible.
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In line with what I said above, I can't see how not playing a song from a 34-track album like TA would be doing an "omission" at all.. But what do I know?.. :lol
I thought the general consesus was that A New Beginning was one of the best on the whole album. And with plenty of room to change things up in the solo?
For me, TA is allll good. They couldve pulled any 3 songs and i wouldve been happy. But yeah, just strange they chose ALLB over ANB
Agreed, it's a bit strange.. But no way ANB is that kind of song that they're always suposed to play (actually, as I said before, there's no such song in DT's catalogue).. Also there's the JLB thing erwinrafael said.. But even past that, I don't think any song (not even TGoM or ONW) has reached that point yet... well, it probably never will, since, again, DT doesn't do that kind of stuff.. Being a live staple is a different thing that being a fan favorite; which, yes, it is..
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Solid setlist. Of course, some repeats from the last tour (especially those of us who got the 3 encore songs), but the entirety of I&W, Hell's Kitchen, The Bigger Picture, The Dark Eternal Night, and an encore of A Change of Seasons? Yes please.
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I will open by saying that I&W plus ACOS is enough on it's own for this to be a must see show for me as they are pretty much the two greatest things ever released imo.
Bosk did mention in the other thread though that this was not to be missed regardless of whether you were a fan of I&W. I'm not feeling this, set one is a fairly average collection of songs for me. Will be interested to hear TBP as it's never been played. Big fan of BAI but been played on both previous tours and TSCO is also a great song but played to death. As I Am was always an average song for me and has already been played more than it deserves as has TDEN. I will obviously watch set one and will no doubt enjoy it but there is nothing remotely special about it.
Luckily I don't care as I get to see I&W and ACOS in set two.
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Man, I get that James is getting older and all that, but the songs sound so wildly different in half-step lower. It even feels like it has a negative effect on James's singing during the lower parts. Can't win em all though I guess.
I do love that he now does the subtle vocal shenanigans he used to skip over the last decade or so in I&W songs (i.e. "Dust fills my e-e-e-eyes").
The Bigger Picture is amazing live on all fronts!
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But, c'mon ppl, live is different.. Or at least I've always experienced the songs in a very different way than listening the studio version..
I'd like even seeing songs that I don't care too much, like several from WDADU, Through Her Eyes or freaking DLPM itself; I actually did enjoy a lot songs that are for me in the same level that these, like Space Dye Vest, A Fortune in Lies, Enigma Machine or, recently, Brother Can You Hear Me?/A Thousand Voices/Astonishing.. Especially these last three, I liked them live in a way I never did and probably never will with their respective studio versions..
Besides, they're now doing a lot of extra jamming and intros/outros and that kind of things, which surely adds more fun to the whole show.. Man I want to see/listen the JMX'S jazzy solo..
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Man, I get that James is getting older and all that, but the songs sound so wildly different in half-step lower. It even feels like it has a negative effect on James's singing during the lower parts. Can't win em all though I guess.
THIS.
The outcome for the half step down songs is not so good IMO.
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If setlist.fm is right, the intro is the song "The Colonel" from the band Two Steps from Hell. Goosebumps!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9we6Kxl6gak
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If they decide to film this tour I'm sure I&W is presented in its original tone but for this long tour it's a wise move to down the tones for James sake. I wouldn't complain that much and I'm pretty sure James is getting better while the tour is going. It's been always like that.
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If setlist.fm is right, the intro is the song "The Colonel" from the band Two Steps from Hell. Goosebumps!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9we6Kxl6gak
Damn, that was cool!
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If setlist.fm is right, the intro is the song "The Colonel" from the band Two Steps from Hell. Goosebumps!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9we6Kxl6gak
Nice info.. I hope someone can confirm this..
Also, I noted that the setlist was modified a little bit, setting as 8th place "John Myung Solo".. It really last that long?.. I mean, no way it was longer than JP's solo before TSCO.. Or was it?.. :o
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How are the people in the seats behaving, everyone just come up to the stage or is everyone just standing at their own seat? I mean, it'd be pretty stupid to pay for a first-row sitting ticket, only to have 30 other people come up to the stage in front of you.
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Could anyone pick up whether or not they´re using a click track on this tour?
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Man, I get that James is getting older and all that, but the songs sound so wildly different in half-step lower. It even feels like it has a negative effect on James's singing during the lower parts. Can't win em all though I guess.
I do love that he now does the subtle vocal shenanigans he used to skip over the last decade or so in I&W songs (i.e. "Dust fills my e-e-e-eyes").
The Bigger Picture is amazing live on all fronts!
I'd bet you that 95% percent of the people in that room had absolutely no clue that those songs were a half-step lower. Unless someone has perfect pitch or really strong relative pitch, they aren't going to realize the difference sitting in the room, live, watching that all happen. Sitting at a computer dissecting a YouTube video is a little different.
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Could anyone pick up whether or not they´re using a click track on this tour?
It looked like there were some backing vocals on a loop for The Bigger Picture, so for that song they definitely were.
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I'd bet you that 95% percent of the people in that room had absolutely no clue that those songs were a half-step lower. Unless someone has perfect pitch or really strong relative pitch, they aren't going to realize the difference sitting in the room, live, watching that all happen. Sitting at a computer dissecting a YouTube video is a little different.
All of this..
Also, here's ONW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6N3_d3U-Bs
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Man, I get that James is getting older and all that, but the songs sound so wildly different in half-step lower. It even feels like it has a negative effect on James's singing during the lower parts. Can't win em all though I guess.
I do love that he now does the subtle vocal shenanigans he used to skip over the last decade or so in I&W songs (i.e. "Dust fills my e-e-e-eyes").
The Bigger Picture is amazing live on all fronts!
I'd bet you that 95% percent of the people in that room had absolutely no clue that those songs were a half-step lower. Unless someone has perfect pitch or really strong relative pitch, they aren't going to realize the difference sitting in the room, live, watching that all happen. Sitting at a computer dissecting a YouTube video is a little different.
I wasn't jabbing at them or anything and I didn't sit there listening to the bootleg 1000 times before I wrote that post, I listened to it once and noticed it - it's just something you get used to hearing. Of course I wouldn't mind it in a live setting, or at all, just something that caught me personally a little off guard.
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Man, I get that James is getting older and all that, but the songs sound so wildly different in half-step lower. It even feels like it has a negative effect on James's singing during the lower parts. Can't win em all though I guess.
I do love that he now does the subtle vocal shenanigans he used to skip over the last decade or so in I&W songs (i.e. "Dust fills my e-e-e-eyes").
The Bigger Picture is amazing live on all fronts!
I'd bet you that 95% percent of the people in that room had absolutely no clue that those songs were a half-step lower. Unless someone has perfect pitch or really strong relative pitch, they aren't going to realize the difference sitting in the room, live, watching that all happen. Sitting at a computer dissecting a YouTube video is a little different.
I wasn't jabbing at them or anything and I didn't sit there listening to the bootleg 1000 times before I wrote that post, I listened to it once and noticed it - it's just something you get used to hearing. Of course I wouldn't mind it in a live setting, or at all, just something that caught me personally a little off guard.
Oh I didn't think you were jabbing them (and it wouldn't have bothered me if you were) you said the songs sounded "wildly different" which, to me, would suggest it was something noticeable in the room for the paid customers. So I was just stating I didn't think that would be the case for those fine patrons. That's all. :tup
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If setlist.fm is right, the intro is the song "The Colonel" from the band Two Steps from Hell. Goosebumps!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9we6Kxl6gak
Confirmed - Intro and TDEN:
https://youtu.be/hEVRQ9VxrH8
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Damn mangini really simplified Hell's Kitchen on the cymbal parts... This is my only issue with his playing, he doesn't get the nuances of MP's cymbal work..
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It's an interesting point about the orchestral or whatever intro. They could literally go to JR like 10 minutes before show time, and ask him to write something and record it and he'd be fine. They could have a different intro every tour.
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Damn mangini really simplified Hell's Kitchen on the cymbal parts... This is my only issue with his playing, he doesn't get the nuances of MP's cymbal work..
Woah, you're right. Really didn't like his interpretation of that one.
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Actually, now that they've played TBP, there are only THREE songs they haven't played: "The Best of Times" (and we know why they haven't or never will play this one), "False Awakening Suite" (and they did use it as the intro tape for the AftR tour anyways) and "Surrender to Reason" (which I think it's a matter of time for them to play it)... And that's it.. I don't think there's any other band in the world that can say they've played the amount of different songs and thus diversity of music DT has played over the years.. But yeah, for some E is NE..
FAS will (probably) never be played live because it was written only to be used as the intro tape for the tour. As for the others they haven't played, you also missed Don't Look Past Me and Raw Dog. That makes 4 songs (not counting FAS) :biggrin:
I thought the general consesus was that A New Beginning was one of the best on the whole album. And with plenty of room to change things up in the solo?
For me, TA is allll good. They couldve pulled any 3 songs and i wouldve been happy. But yeah, just strange they chose ALLB over ANB
ANB was the obvious choice for 99% of us on DTF :lol The only explanation I can find is that they sort of did the extended guitar solo ending to a song + jam on TTT, so it would be a little weird to have both songs on the set. But, anyway, ANB would've been much better than TSCO and/or AIA imo.
Edit: Does anybody know if they played/are playing the same exact set today? The obvious answer would be yes, but I'm still curious to see if they changed at least one or two songs.
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If setlist.fm is right, the intro is the song "The Colonel" from the band Two Steps from Hell. Goosebumps!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9we6Kxl6gak
Confirmed - Intro and TDEN:
https://youtu.be/hEVRQ9VxrH8
Great!..
What I don't like of MM in this song is how he totally spoil what it is to me probably the best brief section of the song.. Right at 7:00 in the vid, why does he change precisely that drum part?.. It sounds awful.. :-[
And oops, video ends when the best long section of the song is starting.. :millahhhh
Actually, now that they've played TBP, there are only THREE songs they haven't played: "The Best of Times" (and we know why they haven't or never will play this one), "False Awakening Suite" (and they did use it as the intro tape for the AftR tour anyways) and "Surrender to Reason" (which I think it's a matter of time for them to play it)... And that's it.. I don't think there's any other band in the world that can say they've played the amount of different songs and thus diversity of music DT has played over the years.. But yeah, for some E is NE..
FAS will (probably) never be played live because it was written only to be used as the intro tape for the tour. As for the others they haven't played, you also missed Don't Look Past Me and Raw Dog. That makes 4 songs (not counting FAS) :biggrin:
Oh, I didn't miss them, just not counting them because they're not studio songs.. :tup
But I think you're right; if we count them all, then they are... well, actually they'd be 5 to me and not 4, since FAS is a song after all (or an instrumental to be more accurate)..
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So here I am...
I was your man at the show yesterday, you already know everything, I can only add that I enjoyed it and my wife (totally new to DT) too, even if at the end she was a bit exhausted for what she called a bit of "heaviness" not being used to DT and 3 hrs set.
Show is great, I was a bit let down by the acoustic of the location as I was in the central gallery and I understood that instead down on floor level was much better...
I liked the instrumental part in Metropolis with sudden stops while playing for one second them start over again which I didn't expect.
Great great public but love for DT is huge here even if we have our share of MPfanboy - haters as well... But they don't come to the show to break our balls, they only moan and growl on social media.
Curious to know if there'any partial rotation but don't think so, not only the show is mostly "on click" also for the lighting (there was one piece - cannot remember where in the 1st set) where James took down the mike from his mouth but you could still hear very well (for one second) his Voice...
Anyway, like ELP used to say in the old times....
"Come and see the shooooooooooooooww!" :metal :metal :metal :metal
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As for the click, they are using samples for the backing vocals of Take the Time.
Ladies and gentlemen I'd like you to thank Octavarious who took the time (pun not intended) to give me frequent updates and even pics and videos. Thanks a lot, mate, I appreciate it.
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So, Learning to Live sounds like it's either in D, or D#. It's not in standard
Judging by the little clips I've seen on Instagram, they played WFS in the original key. The little I heard from Metropolis and UAGM did sound different/lower though.
I'm really glad they detuned some songs, actually. It shows they care for James's voice and aren't askim him to deliver the same register as he did 25 years ago. He's one of the best vocalists in the genere, but definitely not infalible. Also, unless you have perfect pitch or a tuner with you, you won't really notice the key change in the songs.
What I do wonder is whether Jordan transposed his keyboard or if he's actually playing the songs in the lower key. He's very capable of learning them in the new key, and I think he did that, because, for what I know, people with perfect pitch (which Jordan has) really struggle with changing the tuning of their instruments, since they already know how each note sounds with each fret/position/key.
I've been wondering the exact same thing about Jordan. Does anyone have an answer to that?
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This dude seems to have several mini clips of the show: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmyBPi6kTp6m8G99vGLjcwg/videos
(1) Intro tape and TDEN's intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sooc5XbPvck
(2) TBP's intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjRIJ3tgfLk
(3) TSCO's first chorus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbca7gXS0us
(4) AIA's ending (w/a bit of Ener Sandman too) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izAacz-qGUU
(5) Mix of 1992's radio hits and PMU's intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlsSHROkIvE
(6) Metropolis' intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELc97T_7qo
(6) -yup, same name- JLB speaking before JR does a piano intro to WFS, and a bit of the song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teBD4um7mGo
(7) TGoM's first verses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSVJz6sIWz4
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Images And Words clips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhOpvLXiLD4
(including complete Learning To Live)
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If setlist.fm is right, the intro is the song "The Colonel" from the band Two Steps from Hell. Goosebumps!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9we6Kxl6gak
Confirmed - Intro and TDEN:
https://youtu.be/hEVRQ9VxrH8
Of the videos I've seen, I think I enjoy MM's drumming the best in this one. There is a certain brutality to the song, his pinpoint execution helps with it. In the other videos it was rather distracting.
Tons of background tracks in this video.
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Does anybody know if they played/are playing the same exact set today? The obvious answer would be yes, but I'm still curious to see if they changed at least one or two songs.
For what it's here the set is the same: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dream-theater/2017/sala-santa-cecilia-auditorium-parco-della-musica-rome-italy-63f8c677.html
I asked to my brother that was in the show but he hasn't answered yet.. I'll post it here as soon as he does..
EDIT: it was the same setlist.. I'll upload some pics in minutes..
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Encore
A Change of Seasons
(In my best little girl voice...) OMG!!! OMG!!!! OMG!!! OMG!!! :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal :metal
If they alternate it with another, and they don't play it in LA....I think I will just shrivel up and croak....
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Thank you for compiling! It's appreciated.
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I listened to the videos of HK and TTT.
As much as I love MM, he really does sound like a drum machine on HK. Not a fan of that at all. I hope it's just because it was the first show but the song as a whole just did not feel good to me.
As for TTT, changing the key is totally fine with me. I have perfect pitch so I noticed it right away but I don't blame them for doing this, in fact I would encourage it for James.
The jam at the end is fun and I'm glad they are doing some of this again.
However...
I'm sorry, but James sounds horrible on TTT. Especially in that one verse (understandable,) he is literally not even in the same key. I assume James improves more throughout a tour, but some of the IW songs are going to be a struggle even in a lower key.
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A couple of observations after watching TDEN video.
1) what looks like loads of empty seats near the front?
2) JP looked like he struggled in the run up to the solo (and the solo)
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Damn mangini really simplified Hell's Kitchen on the cymbal parts... This is my only issue with his playing, he doesn't get the nuances of MP's cymbal work..
I don't think it's not that he doesn't get it. It's more of it's just not him. It's not his thing, so O think he would rather not do it than try to be Portnoy.
From the limited clips I have seen, Mangini in its raw form is best seen in the TTT outro.
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What I do wonder is whether Jordan transposed his keyboard or if he's actually playing the songs in the lower key. He's very capable of learning them in the new key, and I think he did that, because, for what I know, people with perfect pitch (which Jordan has) really struggle with changing the tuning of their instruments, since they already know how each note sounds with each fret/position/key.
I've been wondering the exact same thing about Jordan. Does anyone have an answer to that?
While I don't know, I think it makes more sense that he just transposed the keyboard. That way, he doesn't have to change anything about how he plays those songs. :)
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So, as I told in this and other threads, my brother (argentinian as myself) went to Europe for three weeks, and decided to see today's show in Rome.. He sent me these pics:
(https://s27.postimg.org/svpjr8rpf/20170131_203756.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/i8vqltjjz/)
(https://s24.postimg.org/6slz495l1/20170131_233516.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/8x6c5c77l/)
(https://s28.postimg.org/b5jqo7rct/20170131_234220.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/42bv8llx5/)
(https://s24.postimg.org/67zwzfnyd/20170131_234319.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/tyzahjo5d/)
(https://s27.postimg.org/4meg4inkj/20170131_234407.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/6e7ezf6xb/)
(https://s29.postimg.org/j35c0el47/20170131_234420.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/cpg8x5g83/)
(https://s29.postimg.org/5ojmdg29z/20170131_234434.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/8ve5x2mpv/)
(https://s24.postimg.org/f3g2034yd/20170131_234515.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/q319bovdd/)
PS: I'm not Bosk ;D, but you can probably note something odd by looking these pictures..... Hint: all of them were taken by my brother.. ::)
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Damn mangini really simplified Hell's Kitchen on the cymbal parts... This is my only issue with his playing, he doesn't get the nuances of MP's cymbal work..
Woah, you're right. Really didn't like his interpretation of that one.
I normally think people go overboard with the "OMG, Mangini didn't play it just like Portnoy" nonsense, but he definitely played that song very stiff. A lot of cool fills in the original, but he really simplified it and took away some of the cool nuances. He's still a beast, though.
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Man....Downtuning Take The Time was the worst decision ever. James looks all pissed or annoyed. It just doesn't work.
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He also sent me an audio recording of the whole I&W set!.. In case of you wanna give them a listen:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/tkok52j8v6xf6x1/17-01-31_DT_I%26W_1.mp3
https://www.mediafire.com/file/9dagwmjad6kr3b6/17-01-31_DT_I%26W2.mp3
Oh, and last but not least, here's a pic he got from a girl that managed to take home part of the JM's set list.. The other half remains unknown..
(https://s24.postimg.org/ldnym2okl/20170131_235218.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5s6n24cm9/)
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The songs sound so weird downtuned. I mean, it's probably best for James, but still. 25 years listening to them in one key and then suddenly changing them feels really weird to me.
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Images And Words clips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhOpvLXiLD4
(including complete Learning To Live)
Absolutely no complaints about the high note :metal
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Images And Words clips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhOpvLXiLD4
(including complete Learning To Live)
That guitar and keyboard jam at the end is rocking!
Honestly, I wish they played WFS a halfstep lower, not because James can't sing that one (he obviously can), but because it just sounds really cool. I tried this a long time ago and I love how the piano line sounds down a halfstep...much darker. The key changes can absolutely have an effect on the song overall; true many people may not notice or care but for those who do, it's a new way to listen to these songs.
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He also sent me an audio recording of the whole I&W set!.. In case of you wanna give them a listen:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/tkok52j8v6xf6x1/17-01-31_DT_I%26W_1.mp3
https://www.mediafire.com/file/9dagwmjad6kr3b6/17-01-31_DT_I%26W2.mp3
Damn, no extended jamming session in Metropolis. Was looking forward for that one
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Any photos from the merch?
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Ok.. I have to admit.. TDEN makes a kick ass opener.
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A couple of observations after watching TDEN video.
1) what looks like loads of empty seats near the front?
2) JP looked like he struggled in the run up to the solo (and the solo)
I cam answer 1): the show started at 20:30 sharp and many people were bit late or still haanging in the lobby earing and drinking, suring the song they rushed to their sets but there were hundreds of people altogether and it took them at least the whole song. For some even more...
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Ok.. I have to admit.. TDEN makes a kick ass opener.
It really does!
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Man....Downtuning Take The Time was the worst decision ever. James looks all pissed or annoyed. It just doesn't work.
It sounded fine to me given the sound quality, and given my expectations about what a nearly 50-year-old singer is capable of on the first show of a tour.
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Well, seeing James hit F# just perfect makes me happy. I'm pretty sure he is getting better and better. But still no ACOS video?
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You'd think they would know the order of the songs on I&W... :lol
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What's written inbetween the songs (in the middle of the lines)? JLB?
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What's written inbetween the songs (in the middle of the lines)? JLB?
It's a reminder to periodically re-introduce JLB to the crowd in case they forget who he is during the long instrumental breaks :lol
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Well, seeing James hit F# just perfect makes me happy. I'm pretty sure he is getting better and better. But still no ACOS video?
You mean F? :P Seriously though, I'm glad he nailed it.
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Well, seeing James hit F# just perfect makes me happy. I'm pretty sure he is getting better and better. But still no ACOS video?
You mean F? :P Seriously though, I'm glad he nailed it.
The 'whoah's leading up to the F also sounded better to me. In recent years, they often sounded a bit off when singing the song in the original key.
So I'm glad they decided to do this, I'd much rather hear things this way than having James struggling with such a tough set night after night. I'm interested to see how it seems when I actually see the show live though.
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Well, seeing James hit F# just perfect makes me happy. I'm pretty sure he is getting better and better. But still no ACOS video?
You mean F? :P Seriously though, I'm glad he nailed it.
As I already said elsewhere, that F# by any other tune would sound as sweet ;)
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A snippet of the I&W intro and PMU intro:
https://youtu.be/TlsSHROkIvE
Love that '92 radio stuff! Even heard a bit of Right Said Fred in there! :lol
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This dude seems to have several mini clips of the show: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmyBPi6kTp6m8G99vGLjcwg/videos
(1) Intro tape and TDEN's intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sooc5XbPvck
(2) TBP's intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjRIJ3tgfLk
(3) TSCO's first chorus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbca7gXS0us
(4) AIA's ending (w/a bit of Ener Sandman too) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izAacz-qGUU
(5) Mix of 1992's radio hits and PMU's intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlsSHROkIvE
(6) Metropolis' intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELc97T_7qo
(6) -yup, same name- JLB speaking before JR does a piano intro to WFS, and a bit of the song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teBD4um7mGo
(7) TGoM's first verses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSVJz6sIWz4
These are awesome. The mix of radio hits was really fun and a nice touch. I know they've done the "sandman" thing before but I still like it. This show with all these elements looks like it will be a great time. If there turn out to be dates in my area, I'll have to seriously consider going.
I especially liked the Metropolis section here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BP6Diy5jVwE/
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How the hell there is no single clip of ACOS? I search youtube every hour, dammit!
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Quite enjoying hearing the songs in a new key actually.
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How the hell there is no single clip of ACOS? I search youtube every hour, dammit!
I wonder about this too
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How the hell there is no single clip of ACOS? I search youtube every hour, dammit!
I wonder about this too
I'm precisely uploading the only thing my bro filmed, and it happens to be a fragment of ACoS!...
Carpe Diem's ending up to near the end of The Darkest of Winters.. Youtube tells me it'll be ready in 1 hour.. As soon as is it, I'll post the link here..
EDIT: https://youtu.be/kHSEpviuOBE
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Quite enjoying hearing the songs in a new key actually.
I am too! Great to see most people here don't have any complaints about the lower key on the IAW songs. Even though it's just a semitone lower, it helps James a lot to not force his voice too much.
How the hell there is no single clip of ACOS? I search youtube every hour, dammit!
I wonder about this too
I'm precisely uploading the only thing my bro filmed, and it happens to be a fragment of ACoS!...
Carpe Diem's ending up to near the end of The Darkest of Winters.. Youtube tells me it'll be ready in 1 hour.. As soon as is it, I'll post the link here..
EDIT: https://youtu.be/kHSEpviuOBE
I was wondering the same thing haha. Thanks for sharing! :tup
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I honestly don't even know for sure if ACOS is lower or not :lol (Good thing IMO!) If I had to, I would say it is...can anybody confirm?
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Maybe it's because ACOS is my favorite DT song, and thus I'm a bit more sensitive to changes made to it, but this seems like another example of Mangini skipping a lot of Portnoy's cool drum parts and keeping it very basic.
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I just have a problem with Take The Time being in a lower key. Certain parts sound a bit odd, it messes with the mood a bit.
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Maybe it's because ACOS is my favorite DT song, and thus I'm a bit more sensitive to changes made to it, but this seems like another example of Mangini skipping a lot of Portnoy's cool drum parts and keeping it very basic.
Yep. I never thought I'd be saying it, but on this tour it seems especially noticeable. Sometimes I really like MM's changes (the double hi-hat work in Trial of Tears for example) and I also think MP was guilty of overplaying many times, but man, some of the IW songs, ACOS and HK feel really stripped back. I mean, it's the beginning of the tour, so maybe he'll add more of that stuff as he gets comfortable with the songs, but I don't know.
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I honestly don't even know for sure if ACOS is lower or not :lol (Good thing IMO!) If I had to, I would say it is...can anybody confirm?
Yes.. It is..
Worth to mention though (because it was discused in this thread at some point) that my brother, musician -he actually plays bass in the same band I am- did not note that I&W and ACoS weren't in their original tuning..
He only watched the whole show, amazed as everyone should be before such setlist, so it didn't affect his experience..
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I wouldnt say I have THAT great of a musical ear or anything, but I heard the downtuning straight away. In fact the ACOS vid just sounds a bit... odd? :-\
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Don't know why but here in Padova they've skipped A Life Left Behind and The Spirit Carries On
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Don't know why but here in Padova they've skipped A Life Left Behind and The Spirit Carries On
Interesting, I wonder if they read this thread since those two songs seem to have gotten a lot of attention :lol
But more realistically, I do wonder why, like time reasons? Or will they change the set?
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Actually so far it's just slightly disappointing (though I've seen both live)
But I've paid as the guys in Rome and so far I'm missing 15 minutes of music
And I don't think it's a time matter, the organizators were annuncing a first set of 75 minutes just before the beginning of the show
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Unless they add some other songs later in the set? Otherwise not sure what's up with that.
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How long did the show last?
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In Rome was about 75 minutes the first set, then I&W which is 1h but with solos could rich 1.15h and ACOS which is 23 minutes.
3 hours circa
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So did they just extend the jams of the other songs then? Otherwise I'm not sure how the first set could be the same length with fewer songs.
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I wouldnt say I have THAT great of a musical ear or anything, but I heard the downtuning straight away. In fact the ACOS vid just sounds a bit... odd? :-\
My point was that, as some said before, there's a big difference between hearing the show in youtube and actually being there and witness it.. I guess maybe we pay more attention to those kind of things by not having DT in front of us playing and kicking asses.. :lol
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Man....Downtuning Take The Time was the worst decision ever. James looks all pissed or annoyed. It just doesn't work.
It sounded fine to me given the sound quality, and given my expectations about what a nearly 50-year-old singer is capable of on the first show of a tour.
Nearly 50? Lol, he'll be 54 this year.
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Maybe it's because ACOS is my favorite DT song, and thus I'm a bit more sensitive to changes made to it, but this seems like another example of Mangini skipping a lot of Portnoy's cool drum parts and keeping it very basic.
Yep. I never thought I'd be saying it, but on this tour it seems especially noticeable. Sometimes I really like MM's changes (the double hi-hat work in Trial of Tears for example) and I also think MP was guilty of overplaying many times, but man, some of the IW songs, ACOS and HK feel really stripped back. I mean, it's the beginning of the tour, so maybe he'll add more of that stuff as he gets comfortable with the songs, but I don't know.
I think he would add more elements to his playing of these tunes as the tour progresses. MM's posts indicate that he did not really have much time to work on it:
On ACOS: " I had to learn it during Christmas craziness with my family !!"
And apparently, they never rehearsed the show in full before the first show. That's how tight the schedule is.
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I think he would add more elements to his playing of these tunes as the tour progresses. MM's posts indicate that he did not really have much time to work on it:
On ACOS: " I had to learn it during Christmas craziness with my family !!"
And apparently, they never rehearsed the show in full before the first show. That's how tight the schedule is.
I hope you are right! And as many of the parts he creates for the recent albums are very detailed, I guess he just wants to perfect the skeleton of each song first before adding more accents and fills.
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I remember many people complaining about how he played TSCO during the ADTOE tour. Then when he played it again in the 30th anniversary tour, people saw that he already is comfortable with the song and put his personality in it.
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So ACOS is tuned down as well? That's cool. Good to hear that most of the song is kept the same, but JR is still doing the WTWB tag
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In Rome was about 75 minutes the first set, then I&W which is 1h but with solos could rich 1.15h and ACOS which is 23 minutes.
3 hours circa
Yeah setlist.fm says that both ALLB and TSCO were skipped. Bit strange? :-\
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Since theres not a thread for last night, heres Metropolis from the 1st Feb show:
https://youtu.be/jlkaajJHmQY
This tour just looks so fun!
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As a whole the band sounds pretty good, looking forward to the UK dates. My only gripe is the sampled background vocals. They really don't do it for me and I feel they only highlight James' flaws, they're especially unnecessary in that Metropolis video, Petrucci miming along to them just looks silly.
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Surrounded :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCRBvxOdLtw
Take The Time :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1ELTk-uXz4
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Petrucci miming along to them just looks silly.
It's been like this for a bit. I agree. Just do live backing vocals. We get that it may not be perfect.
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Surrounded :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCRBvxOdLtw
Nice MM work on JP solo, as MM himself already demonstrated previously.
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Hell's Kitchen in better quality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69GLKdH_-YI
IMO it's the only song from this show that seems that MM didn't have the time to learn in details, like Another Day on ADToE tour (on Happy Hollidays 2013).
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Went to the premier, nothing to say.
It was incredible: the setlist, the band, the light show. I was really surprised by Hell's Kitchen and didn't even notice that they tuned down some stuff. I'm glad they did it, if anything, a band should do what they can to sound as better as possible, and a semitone makes nearly a difference.
The solos were spot on too! I was surprised also by the fact that some jams and changes came back, like the pause in Metropolis or Enter Sandman (that really caught me off guard :lol)
Overall, it was really different from last time, but it was also appreciated!
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Hell's Kitchen in better quality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69GLKdH_-YI
IMO it's the only song from this show that seems that MM didn't have the time to learn in details, like Another Day on ADToE tour (on Happy Hollidays 2013).
I'm not worried about Mike as much as JR not harmonising the finale with JP. It's a little off to not hear it harmonised between them, like he does on Instrumedley and like Derek on FII.
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The set looks incredible, thank you everyone for the details and info.
CANNOT wait to see them in Cardiff, it's gonna be my first ever DT show! Just have to wait until April 22nd now... :metal :yarr :D
In an absolutely perfect world, The Count of Tuscany would either be in Set 1 or the encore as it's my favourite DT epic, but otherwise nothing really to complain about from me..... I'm guessing the people complaining about Spirit and As I Am being played are because they've heard them live a bunch of times before, but as it'll be my first time hearing them played live I'm fine with it :D
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Okay, just got back home after a long trip - the show was overall awesome. No gripes about the setlist, or the down-tuning. Although he struggled a little here and there, James did great overall. I'm sure he'll get better as the tour progresses. Obviously, the second set and encore were highlights for me, although the first set was cool too.
My only complaint was Mangini's playing on Hell's Kitchen...he really didn't do MP's parts justice with that one. All those cymbal flourishes are, in my opinion, compositionally important to the overall piece; they add a lot. He didn't do them. It felt very half-assed. Kinda like, "okay, I'm going to just play in the right time signature, and as long as I play the same basic kind of groove, it should be fine". Having said that, it was the first show of the tour, and maybe as the tour goes on he'll stick to the original, but who knows. There are times where it's not a big deal to do your own thing, but that song sure as hell wasn't one of them - at least, not in my opinion.
Overall, solid performance.
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I agree with the above (and I'm a big MM suporter)
Just to remind how that this song has a perfect drums composition: :hefdaddy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9uMr5HIhQM
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Anyone have an idea why A Life Left Behind and Spirit Carries On got dropped from the past 2 shows? Is that permanent do you think? :-\
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I truly believe that MM has a weakness. He does not know how to work with the cymbal.
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I truly believe that MM has a weakness. He does not know how to work with the cymbal.
Yup, that must be it. After all these years as a professional drummer, he still can't figure it out.
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I truly believe that MM has a weakness. He does not know how to work with the cymbal.
Yup, that must be it. After all these years as a professional drummer, he still can't figure it out.
I truly believe that MM has a weakness. He does not know how to work with the cymbal.
Yup, that must be it. After all these years as a professional drummer, he still can't figure it out.
[/quotI truly believe that MM has a weakness. He does not know how to work with the cymbal.
Yup, that must be it. After all these years as a professional drummer, he still can't figure it out.
So, why MM does not play it? All songs the have it, like ToT, HK he simply does not play or uses crash to simulate. These are really beautiful parts that brigs nuances to the songs, and it is just ignored
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Since there's no separate thread for the Padua show, I might as well post these short clips of ACOS here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr-c6WjCAG4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2nyEPkkHE4
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Actually ACOS sounds great half a step lower. Sounds heavy!
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Breaking All Illusions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzICvjbBcnc
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I hope we'll get full ACOS video. I actually wonder Another World section most.
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I found a couple videos of the bass solo. JM is, indeed, playing Portrait of Tracy. Very cool Jaco tribute!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6UsUbt4DBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJum_gYIrOY
And here's the original, just in case anyone wants to check it out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEs5sKDXZuk
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I hope we'll get full ACOS video. I actually wonder Another World section most.
Yeah, same here.. That's THE part of the song.. At least along with the two first instrumentals, which I like a lot.. But AW is probably the best moving section of the whole non-JR era..
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Two shows without A Life Left Behind and The Spirit Carries On? I was really looking forward to The Spirit Carries On, as i've never seen it live.
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Two shows without A Life Left Behind and The Spirit Carries On? I was really looking forward to The Spirit Carries On, as i've never seen it live.
Same here.
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ACoS (full version) !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQKcQ9z-JVg&feature=youtu.be
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Two shows without A Life Left Behind and The Spirit Carries On? I was really looking forward to The Spirit Carries On, as i've never seen it live.
Same here.
As much as I dislike the Astonishing, I would be disappointed to not hear ALLB. That is simply a great song.
Had no idea JM did a bass solo, too! Long overdue!
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ACoS (full version) !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQKcQ9z-JVg&feature=youtu.be
I LOVE the live intro.
EDIT: "But those days are ggggoooonnnnnneeeeee!" Nice James! :tup
EDIT 2: What a fucking awesome tune. James is pretty damned good on this. And Mangini nails it.
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Two shows without A Life Left Behind and The Spirit Carries On? I was really looking forward to The Spirit Carries On, as i've never seen it live.
Same here.
As much as I dislike the Astonishing, I would be disappointed to not hear ALLB. That is simply a great song.
Had no idea JM did a bass solo, too! Long overdue!
They werent played tonight either. Maybe theyve just taken them out. TSCO I can understand but thought they would want to play TA stuff. Maybe they didnt get a good enough reaction on first night?
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I'd be kinda sad if they did take out those songs permanently, but at the same time it'd be interesting to see what they'd replace them with.
I mean, hopefully they'd replace them if they took them out.
:(
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ACoS (full version) !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQKcQ9z-JVg&feature=youtu.be
I want a recording of this version. It sounds more badass because it is more metal. :metal
For those who have been really critical of MM's playing in Hell's Kitchen, give him a break. Based on these vids so far, it looks he spent much of his time not just learning but putting his spin on ACOS and TTT. The one hand drum rolls in ACOS is :hefdaddy
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ACoS (full version) !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQKcQ9z-JVg&feature=youtu.be
I want a recording of this version. It sounds more badass because it is more metal. :metal
For those who have been really critical of MM's playing in Hell's Kitchen, give him a break. Based on these vids so far, it looks he spent much of his time not just learning but putting his spin on ACOS and TTT. The one hand drum rolls in ACOS is :hefdaddy
You know, you don't have to defend every single MM criticism that gets posted. You can just accept that some of us didn't like it, even if we're aware of the many reasons why either 1) he made the artistic decision to do it that way or 2) will do it better when given time.
Maybe later, we'll change our minds. For now, we don't like how he did it. Your unyielding defense of him is completely unnecessary.
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ACoS (full version) !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQKcQ9z-JVg&feature=youtu.be
Jumped to Another World.. :hefdaddy :'( ... and James was amazing.. He nailed every note!..
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ACoS (full version) !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQKcQ9z-JVg&feature=youtu.be
That is beautiful.
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Watching it now.
On the the 3rd part I think. Not really sure.
James sounds good for sure.
The click doesn't help this song. A lot of it sounds really slow and lacking energy, while other parts sound fine.
Yea, Mangini skipped out on one of my favorite parts in the beginning. Hopefully he'll incorporate it eventually.
Edit: (I'm sure I'll keep adding these as I listen)
They skipped the secondary vocal part "we can hope for the future...". They are using backing tracks and didn't think that was worth the work?
And yea, the next drum part Mangini changed up again. I guess I'll just assume that all of my favorite hi hat moments are just gone and replaced with beat keeping moments.
On Crimson Sunset now.
James still sounding pretty great! Jordan too. Petrucci flubbed one of his solos but covered it really well.
Still, the tempos really really drag a lot, and Mangini oversimplified the opening beat to Crimson Sunset, which did a whole section of an instructional video to explain. :(
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Anyone have an idea why A Life Left Behind and Spirit Carries On got dropped from the past 2 shows? Is that permanent do you think? :-\
Time restrictions maybe? Or they wanted to just stick with the heavier material and only really go quiet with Another Day and WFS? Maybe the Rome crowd weren't responding as well to their inclusion in the set and they haven't chosen replacement songs yet? Who knows
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The click doesn't help this song. A lot of it sounds really slow and lacking energy, while other parts sound fine.
Yea, Mangini skipped out on one of my favorite parts in the beginning. Hopefully he'll incorporate it eventually.
And yea, the next drum part Mangini changed up again. I guess I'll just assume that all of my favorite hi hat moments are just gone and replaced with beat keeping moments.
Still, the tempos really really drag a lot, and Mangini oversimplified the opening beat to Crimson Sunset, which did a whole section of an instructional video to explain. :(
Agreed. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought it felt slow.
I have a feeling we're thinking of the same drum parts. It is interesting that someone as technical as MM actually simplifies a lot of parts. It's not like he couldn't play them either, he just doesn't. I'm still hoping that as the tour progresses some of this will be added in.
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Listening to the clips from Zurich on YouTube. JLB sounds way better on Surrounded compared to Rome
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ACOS sounds pretty great and James nails it. Honestly I didn't expect to be that good.
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Yeah the guy who uploaded a ton of stuff from Zurich really captured a great overall performance from James. 4th night in and already improving.
By the way, going back to ALLB and TSCO... hypothetically speaking if the band replaces these two, what do they replace them with?
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By the way, going back to ALLB and TSCO... hypothetically speaking if the band replaces these two, what do they replace them with?
I think TW & AFTR would fill the roles of these tracks quite nicely.
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ACOS sounds great, although I'm a bit disappointed there's no Petrucci's outro, it just...ends
I wonder about TSCO and ALLB too...while I've heard TSCO live it's still one of my favorite JP solos
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TSCO is also one of those songs that everyone can sing especially the last bit.
For me if they are sticking to metal side it has to be... you guessed it - Panic Attack.
Instead of ALLB I would have another Astonishing song. Probably ANB sorry to be predictable :lol
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JLB sounds awesome on the clips from the Zurich concert. Hope that he keeps improving! :)
As far as TSCO and TLLB I guess they figured that the show is too long and from now on they will leave out that two songs.
Without them the first part is ~60 mins + I&W is 70-75 with the solos + 25 for ACOS, and that's almost 3 hours in total for the show...
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Wow, James goes for some quite challenging notes on here, even the ones he used to avoid back in the good old days. And he nailed some of them as well.
More and more people keep pointing out Mangini' stiffness when it comes to cymbal work and I'm starting to notice it as well. I wonder why he doesn't see them as essential features of Portnoy's playing the way fans do. I'm sure he hears the cymbals and acknowledges them, but for some reason doesn't include them himself.
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I'm also bothered a bit by the stiff drumming in HK, but I noticed that MM is finally playing the hi-hat pattern in the second verse of Another Day, which he didn't do in the Happy Holidays version recorded 5 years ago. That gives me hope that his cymbal work will get more elaborate on other songs too.
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Great videos from Zurych :
MM Solo :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBtKCCI9Fc4
AD/TTT :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfVYIDMLgqg
Hell's Kitchen/Gift :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cfLRsIQkrw
ONW :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t4yUf8qd_M
JMX Solo/AIA :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHSoj1hlQ8k
BAI :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipp7eAXClpk
Pull :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc7hFmZAYlE
Surrounded :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1tx4g0MsSA
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James's massive improvements are evident on Another Day / Take The Time!! So happy!
Also the jams are starting to develop :heart
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He sounds perfect because he didn't wear *that* pants.
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More and more people keep pointing out Mangini' stiffness when it comes to cymbal work and I'm starting to notice it as well. I wonder why he doesn't see them as essential features of Portnoy's playing the way fans do. I'm sure he hears the cymbals and acknowledges them, but for some reason doesn't include them himself.
But he does the hi-hat work in songs made during his tenure, like in Our New World. So I don't think it's really a matter of him not being able to do it. I think it's more of him choosing not to do it. Maybe he sees them not as an essential feature of the song but rather as a reflection of Portnoy's personal style. In the same way that his orchestration with left+right cymbals and following the unisons melodically in the kit is a reflection of his personal style. Of the short insertion of a polyrhythm in the jam at the end of LtL.
Then again, he does the hi-hat work in the old songs that he already played a lot like As I Am, so maybe it is also just a matter of being comfortable with the song.
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Holy shit this version is Take the Time is so much better than the Rome version.
Also, ACOS sounded incredible. As Adami pointed out, there is some incredible Portnoy cymbal work that wasn't done by Mangini, but hey I'll give the guy a break. He has literally played the song with the band live 4 times and he hasn't screwed up anything. That's one big feat.
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Nice...Take The Time, still sounds weird to me down a step but James sounds way better this time.
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I honestly don't hear the huge improvement on TTT from James that you guys are hearing. He still sounds really flat on many notes, sometimes not even in the same key. Maybe I'm just being too critical, I'm not about to say that's an easy song to sing. :lol Especially not at his age.
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I've been reading along for the last few days, and I listened to some of the clips from the show that someone posted the full ACOS from, and I've gotta say, I'm kind of unimpressed by Mike's drumming, especially on ACOS. I had expected him to do Portnoy's parts in the Crimson Sunrise, where he had the overdubbed octobans over the hi-hats and what not, but he changed it up. Mangini just doesn't have the same flare with the early material as Portnoy did, and it feels stiff and cold to me. Yes, he's very technically proficient, and very fast, but without the sense of groove and intricate cymbal work that Portnoy put into his parts, Mangini just sounds machine-like to my drummer's ears. Maybe I'm just more used to hearing the older songs with Portnoy playing...
Either way, I've avoided listening to "Hell's Kitchen" given all of the comments posted here about it. I'd rather not have any memory of that beautiful instrumental be tainted by lackluster drumming.
-Marc.
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Holy shit this version is Take the Time is so much better than the Rome version.
Also, ACOS sounded incredible. As Adami pointed out, there is some incredible Portnoy cymbal work that wasn't done by Mangini, but hey I'll give the guy a break. He has literally played the song with the band live 4 times and he hasn't screwed up anything. That's one big feat.
And he had to learn it and TTT over the short Christmas break. And transcribe the songs while on the tour bus.
Maybe if Mangini is replaced by somebody who will not be able to do the polyrhythms in Illumination Theory, we can also call that drummer lackluster.
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Actually ACOS sounds great half a step lower. Sounds heavy!
Agree. That song takes really well to being down-tuned a half step.
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I honestly don't hear the huge improvement on TTT from James that you guys are hearing. He still sounds really flat on many notes, sometimes not even in the same key. Maybe I'm just being too critical, I'm not about to say that's an easy song to sing. :lol Especially not at his age.
His performance in Rome was not very good, so there you go lol.
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I honestly don't hear the huge improvement on TTT from James that you guys are hearing. He still sounds really flat on many notes, sometimes not even in the same key. Maybe I'm just being too critical, I'm not about to say that's an easy song to sing. :lol Especially not at his age.
His performance in Rome was not very good, so there you go lol.
It's just beyond his comfort zone. I'm not going to slight the guy though. He's in his 50s now. Not many singers can still tour as much as they do and have powerful pipes without blemish. It was inevitable. It's kind of sad in a way. I almost feel bad hearing him try to hit those notes in TTT.
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Take The Time, like Innocence Faded and Another Day, is not composed well vocally because of the successive very high notes. Even JLB at his prime would have a hard time doing that on a regular basis. Now he just compensates with a well hit belting note at the end.
On another note, while everybody's talking about the TTT outro, how about that LtL outro? Have they done that JR - JP faceoff before? Myung also seems to be genuinely enjoying jamming with Mangini.
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I already commented on what a short amount of time MM had to learn a 23-minute song, an 8-minute song (TTT), and HK, especially with the holidays thrown in.
Definitely not mad that he hasn't yet perfectly replicated some hi-hat patterns in such a long stretch of complex music, full of odd time and everything. :D
Oh, also, with definitely no rehearsals, either, since JP and JR spent the week previous to this tour at NAMM.
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I already commented on what a short amount of time MM had to learn a 23-minute song, an 8-minute song (TTT), and HK, especially with the holidays thrown in.
Definitely not mad that he hasn't yet perfectly replicated some hi-hat patterns in such a long stretch of complex music, full of odd time and everything. :D
Oh, also, with definitely no rehearsals, either, since JP and JR spent the week previous to this tour at NAMM.
This..
Also, if he doesn't do all those MP's parts maybe it's because... he is not MP after all... Or is he?.. ;)
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I didn't see anything wrong with MM at all. Him keeping it not as flashy made the focus more towards JPs awesome solo in Hell's Kitchen.
I'm more sad that JR didn't play the awesome Tubular Bells at the end, it made the ending more majestic.
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I'm more sad that JR didn't play the awesome Tubular Bells at the end, it made the ending more majestic.
Exactly.
It was epic in Live at Budokan
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I like that James sang "Seasons change and so can I" the way it is on the studio version. I guess I don't need much to be happy : )
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ACoS full version from Padova :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVWCBtDm4i8
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Holy shit this version is Take the Time is so much better than the Rome version.
Also, ACOS sounded incredible. As Adami pointed out, there is some incredible Portnoy cymbal work that wasn't done by Mangini, but hey I'll give the guy a break. He has literally played the song with the band live 4 times and he hasn't screwed up anything. That's one big feat.
And he had to learn it and TTT over the short Christmas break. And transcribe the songs while on the tour bus.
Maybe if Mangini is replaced by somebody who will not be able to do the polyrhythms in Illumination Theory, we can also call that drummer lackluster.
Who called Magnini lackluster?
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Holy shit this version is Take the Time is so much better than the Rome version.
Also, ACOS sounded incredible. As Adami pointed out, there is some incredible Portnoy cymbal work that wasn't done by Mangini, but hey I'll give the guy a break. He has literally played the song with the band live 4 times and he hasn't screwed up anything. That's one big feat.
And he had to learn it and TTT over the short Christmas break. And transcribe the songs while on the tour bus.
Maybe if Mangini is replaced by somebody who will not be able to do the polyrhythms in Illumination Theory, we can also call that drummer lackluster.
Who called Magnini lackluster?
Him?.. No one.. His drumming was called that way.. This is the comment he is referring to:
I've been reading along for the last few days, and I listened to some of the clips from the show that someone posted the full ACOS from, and I've gotta say, I'm kind of unimpressed by Mike's drumming, especially on ACOS. I had expected him to do Portnoy's parts in the Crimson Sunrise, where he had the overdubbed octobans over the hi-hats and what not, but he changed it up. Mangini just doesn't have the same flare with the early material as Portnoy did, and it feels stiff and cold to me. Yes, he's very technically proficient, and very fast, but without the sense of groove and intricate cymbal work that Portnoy put into his parts, Mangini just sounds machine-like to my drummer's ears. Maybe I'm just more used to hearing the older songs with Portnoy playing...
Either way, I've avoided listening to "Hell's Kitchen" given all of the comments posted here about it. I'd rather not have any memory of that beautiful instrumental be tainted by lackluster drumming.
-Marc.
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His drumming, and only in specific songs/specific contexts.
But apparently no one is allowed to say anything about MM other than praise.
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On another note, while everybody's talking about the TTT outro, how about that LtL outro? Have they done that JR - JP faceoff before? Myung also seems to be genuinely enjoying jamming with Mangini.
Yeah.. That's awesome!.. I think they have, but very few times afaik..
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His drumming, and only in specific songs/specific contexts.
But apparently no one is allowed to say anything about MM other than praise.
I don't think that's the case and that shouldn't be anyway. Everybody's got an opinion and it's ok to express it as long as it is respectful to the guys. Having said that, I see a double standard here on DTF when it comes to this. On the other threads, some people (myself included) expressed how we think James's been struggling with the DT material for a while now, and what kind of comments we get? "we can't judge the man for only one show. he usually sings so much better. you can't judge by a youtube video...", but then, the version of HK is uploaded and, all of the sudden, it's ok to make comments about how poorly Mangini performed (in their opinion) the songs (songs which, btw, he's never performed live vs James who has been in the band for more years than MM, JR and even MP and supposedly knows the material well enough to know his limitations). What happened to the "we can't judge based on one show" comments?
The real issue here, imo, is that MM is not playing the songs like MP, and that's fine considering he's not MP. Can he improve on some of the songs? Of course, but that doesn't mean he sucks at playing the songs or anything like that.
Jordan changes most of the important parts by KM and DS and doesn't get as half criticism as MM does.
Ok, rant over, sorry for the long post :biggrin:
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From what I've seen, I thought MM has been excellent.
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Actually, I get defensive with the negative comments about MM's drumming is when the descriptions used are lackluster, does not know how to play the cymbals, etc. which I think is a bit too much for somebody who nailed ACOS, TTT and HK except the hi-hats.
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Actually, I get defensive with the negative comments about MM's drumming is when the descriptions used are lackluster, does not know how to play the cymbals, etc. which I think is a bit too much for somebody who nailed ACOS, TTT and HK except the hi-hats.
How about this, I don't enjoy or appreciate his artistic decisions in those situations.
That cool?
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From Milan;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLI4fREpMGc
I think this one is absolutely great.
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A few comments on my side, haveing seen them both in Rome (second night) and Padova.
Both performances were absoultey amazing, on all perspectives.
Audio quality was better in Padova (too loud in Rome), but in Rome there was much more energy from the crowd (e.g. many people standing for the last songs..)
I think they decided to skip ALLB and TSCO just because the show was too long...in Rome in was almost 3h and 30, and it was definitely too much for them and also slightly "boring" also for the crows. Bots songs were loved by the crowd, there was a could dancing during TSCO all around the venue!!
James performance was great both nights, he only struggles a lot in TTT during the "if there's a pensive fear" section..and he still has to find a "back-up" solution for that. All the rest, he nailed down perfectly!
(the complains are maybe for the 1st roman performance, I was not there)
MM was great, and the drum solo is just amazing..(that single handed roll while he hi-hats with the other hand...!!)
I will probably see them again in May! :)
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A few comments on my side, haveing seen them both in Rome (second night) and Padova.
Both performances were absoultey amazing, on all perspectives.
Audio quality was better in Padova (too loud in Rome), but in Rome there was much more energy from the crowd (e.g. many people standing for the last songs..)
I think they decided to skip ALLB and TSCO just because the show was too long...in Rome in was almost 3h and 30, and it was definitely too much for them and also slightly "boring" also for the crows. Bots songs were loved by the crowd, there was a could dancing during TSCO all around the venue!!
James performance was great both nights, he only struggles a lot in TTT during the "if there's a pensive fear" section..and he still has to find a "back-up" solution for that. All the rest, he nailed down perfectly!
(the complains are maybe for the 1st roman performance, I was not there)
MM was great, and the drum solo is just amazing..(that single handed roll while he hi-hats with the other hand...!!)
I will probably see them again in May! :)
That's great to hear! So cool you could make it to two shows. :metal
About ALLB and TSCO not being in the set anymore, I think is the same reason as you say, the show was way too long with the extra solos, improvs and all that stuff. I kinda wish they replaced AIA with These Walls or Panic Attack, though, but I don't see that happening for this leg of the tour, as JP would need a baritone guitar for either one and I doubt he took one with him for these shows.
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Actually, I get defensive with the negative comments about MM's drumming is when the descriptions used are lackluster, does not know how to play the cymbals, etc. which I think is a bit too much for somebody who nailed ACOS, TTT and HK except the hi-hats.
How about this, I don't enjoy or appreciate his artistic decisions in those situations.
That cool?
No prob with that.
I think though that not playing the hi-hats is not really an artistic decision per se, because these songs are learned just recently. As some of the vids have shown, MM played the hi-hats in songs where he did not play the hi-hats much during the first tour he played those songs in (Another Day, Surrounded, As I Am). It could be more of just getting the basic muscle memory first.
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Oh, also, with definitely no rehearsals, either, since JP and JR spent the week previous to this tour at NAMM.
Not sure where you got that information, but it is totally false. They booked a rehearsal studio and did rehearse the set before going out on tour. Get your facts straight.
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Well, this is what MM said:
"Show #1 is done. I feel like everything hurts. I can't practice like this at home. Y'all drummers know the drill. So you know, we never rehearsed the show through. Welcome to my life. I hit my hair in the intro of Take the Time and miss hit."
So maybe what MM means is that they did not do a full show rehearsal that follows the sequence of songs?
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So maybe what MM means is that they did not do a full show rehearsal that follows the sequence of songs?
Probably. I couldn't tell you specifically how they rehearsed. I just know they booked the rehearsal hall. But, yes, it would not surprise me if they did not do a full playthrough of the entire set in order and that that is what he is referring to.
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Well, this is what MM said:
"Show #1 is done. I feel like everything hurts. I can't practice like this at home. Y'all drummers know the drill. So you know, we never rehearsed the show through. Welcome to my life. I hit my hair in the intro of Take the Time and miss hit."
So maybe what MM means is that they did not do a full show rehearsal that follows the sequence of songs?
FWIW, that's where I got the information.
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Fair enough. I didn't know he posted that, so I can see where people might have read that and inferred that they didn't rehearse at all.
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And I can see where I ignored the word "through," so maybe they only rehearsed a select number of songs. With the limited time they had, they could have skipped the TA songs, AIA, PMU, and TSCO because they were just playing them. And maybe BAI because they've played that many times already.
It seems partially believable though, because I just re-watched the drum auditions video, and before even really knowing the guy, MM came and played the songs so perfectly that JP commented, "we literally could have played a show tonight and went on stage with him without rehearsing." Now that he's been with the band for 6 years, they're probably even more comfortable with him.
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From Milan;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLI4fREpMGc
I think this one is absolutely great.
It really is, fantastic performance :hearts:
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As cheesy as it was, seeing all the lights in the venue really did it for the atmosphere! :hat
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I loved the little jams they did at the end of Take The Time and Learning To Live. A friend talked me into going to see them live today and it was totally worth it. Amazing performance by everyone (James did really well apart from a few flat moments). Also, seeing ACOS live finally made me appreciate the song. So there's that. :lol
I don't know if Mangini's drums are mic'd weirdly but sometimes I couldn't hear his hi-hats and cymbals at all unless he was going full power. HK and a few of the softer songs sounded really weird because of that.
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I don't know if Mangini's drums are mic'd weirdly but sometimes I couldn't hear his hi-hats and cymbals at all unless he was going full power. HK and a few of the softer songs sounded really weird because of that.
Confirmed: Mangini's drumming has dynamics. :lol
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I don't know if Mangini's drums are mic'd weirdly but sometimes I couldn't hear his hi-hats and cymbals at all unless he was going full power. HK and a few of the softer songs sounded really weird because of that.
Confirmed: Mangini's drumming has dynamics. :lol
Or, confirmed: MM doesn't know how to hit cymbals!?! :biggrin:
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Watched this video of a girl covering ACOS on drums. I like the way she does the octobans/hi-hats fill that TAC mentioned earlier:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLh_Kk4zohI
She does a spot-on version of TDOE too.
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I don't know if Mangini's drums are mic'd weirdly but sometimes I couldn't hear his hi-hats and cymbals at all unless he was going full power. HK and a few of the softer songs sounded really weird because of that.
Confirmed: Mangini's drumming has dynamics. :lol
BLABBERMOUTH ARTICLE COMING UP
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Watched this video of a girl covering ACOS on drums. I like the way she does the octobans/hi-hats fill that TAC mentioned earlier:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLh_Kk4zohI
She does a spot-on version of TDOE too.
Confirmed: Girl is better than Mangini. Not lackluster at all.
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I think at this point we can all agree to kick Mangini and replace him with a youtube cover drummer.
Think of the PR.
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When did I suggest that??
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When did I suggest that??
I don't think they're referring to you..
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Went to Dusseldorf, what the fuck happened to Labrie except that he is sick? I was really let down by his performance. Honestly he was quite bad on the Astonishing tour last year too.
I enjoyed the fuck out the 2014 shows where he was spot on..
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i thought he was brilliant in Tilburg, i was actually surprised to hear he was sick after the concert..
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Well, considering how demanding the vocal melodies are and that he was quite ill, imo his performance was very good. I was a bit worried about the state of his voice when he sang some of the high notes in the first half of I&W lower and changed some melody lines but I guess he spared his voice for the more important high notes in the second half, because he hit the high notes at the end of Metropolis, and he nailed UAGM and LTL as well. To my ears the only part that went really wrong was the pensive fear part in TTT, he should invent a good and much lower melody line for this!
Absolutely brillant and the emotional highlight of the show for me was Wait for sleep with Jordans improvised intro.
The fans I talked to after the show and later at the station were not criticizing JLB at all, on the contrary they mentioned he deserves a lot of respect for his performance and that he did great despite his illness. I guess different people just hear him differently or just expect different things from him.
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Most of the JLB haters only watch/hear him through youtube videos.. You can like less or more the type of voice he has (of course he'll always sound great in studio), but that he's a pro singer, sings incredible on stage and does his best, that's undeniable..
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Something I just realized listening to a YouTube Video of TTT from Düsseldorf - the pensive fear part sounded so dissonant because what JLB was singing live and his voice coming from the tape at the same time didn't match ...(note to James: sing in tune with yourself ;) or drop the unnecessary vocals from the tape...)