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Title: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Architeuthis on January 18, 2017, 04:06:09 PM
My personal fav post 2000 Maiden album is Dance of Death,   they all have their great moments though. D.o.D flows real nice and is consistently good with nice production. Not to mention Paschendale is a beast of a song.  :metal
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Imaginos on January 18, 2017, 04:49:01 PM
I voted final frontier. Dance of Death and Brave New World are both great, and Book of Souls is a solid album. I need to listen to AMOLAD more though. TFF was the first album that came out while I was a fan, so that's probably part of why I like it, but Isle of Avalon and Wild Wind are two of my favorite reunion era maiden tunes, and I've always liked El Dorado and The Alchemist.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: jjrock88 on January 18, 2017, 04:58:43 PM
Brave New World. A perfect comeback album.

But A Matter of Life and Death is a close second
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: TAC on January 18, 2017, 05:12:46 PM
Let's just say that the Reunion Era is amazing. I created a Reunion Era vs Classic Era a couple years ago.


I voted The Final Frontier. I have always felt that the Reunion albums each built upon the previous one. The Book Of Souls is the first where I didn't feel that way.
I feel that TFF and AMOLAD are pretty close, but TFF is just a little easier on the ears.

Still AMOLAD is probably THE definitive Reunion Era album.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: krands85 on January 18, 2017, 05:27:47 PM
The Book of Souls is definitely my favourite. I love that album, it's definitely up there with Maiden's best for me.

AMOLAD comes second - it was around the time it was released that I really started listening to the band a lot. The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg was a big favourite for a while.

Brave New World and Dance of Death come next, but I find it tough to separate them. Both are pretty solid albums with some killer tracks, though I haven't listened to either as a whole for quite a while.

Last place is definitely TFF. I was just never able to get in to that album for some reason, didn't do very much for me at all.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Cool Chris on January 18, 2017, 06:15:37 PM
I would probably go with the above, if you flipped BoS and AMOLAD, which got my vote in the poll.

BNW and DoD have some awesome tracks, some good tracks, and some mediocre tracks (IM's mediocre tracks still being pretty good, comparatively).

And I also cannot get in to TFF as much as the others.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: wolfking on January 18, 2017, 06:24:16 PM
Brave New World. A perfect comeback album.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: jammindude on January 18, 2017, 07:07:28 PM
With the exception of AMOLAD, and to a lesser extent Book of Souls, I have found much of the reunion stuff to be way too repetitive and at times downright boring.

Seems odd that BNW is winning this. That's my least favorite.

AMOLAD is the clear winner for me. That is EASILY a top 5 all time Maiden album.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: cramx3 on January 18, 2017, 07:25:54 PM
AMOLAD is the clear winner for me. That is EASILY a top 5 all time Maiden album.

My #1
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Ben_Jamin on January 18, 2017, 07:32:50 PM
AMOLAD, it was my first Maiden album actually. It was just released when I bought it. I loved it and wish they would play The Legacy.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: TAC on January 18, 2017, 07:45:58 PM
AMOLAD..... is EASILY a top 5 all time Maiden album.

No question.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Anguyen92 on January 18, 2017, 10:55:55 PM
I voted for The Book of Souls album, but For the Greater Good of God is such a beast of a song, that could very well end up in my fave five Iron Maiden tracks along with Coming Home, The Book of Souls, Hallowed Be Thy Name, and If Eternity Should Fail.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: NoseofNicko on January 18, 2017, 11:06:56 PM
Dance of Death. Actually one of my top 5 Maiden albums. Paschendale is their best reunion song.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Zydar on January 19, 2017, 12:13:15 AM
Brave New World
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 19, 2017, 02:09:32 AM
Brave New World. A perfect comeback album.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Elite on January 19, 2017, 02:16:59 AM
I voted AMOLAD, because I remember when it was released. I was 14 and heavily into Iron Maiden. I spun that album a lot back then. The others don't do nearly as much for me, to be honest. When TFF was released 4 years later I wasn't really into the band anymore (same goes for TBOS obviously) and the other two don't do nearly as much for me, because they didn't have the same impact AMOLAD did.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Mladen on January 19, 2017, 02:20:25 AM
A Matter of Life and Death
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: MirrorMask on January 19, 2017, 02:36:10 AM
Dance of Death, I know not every song is a masterpiece but I always loved the diversity of it.

All these albums are strong so it's quite hard to rate them.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Phoenix87x on January 19, 2017, 02:49:28 AM
This is really tough. I think they are all pretty strong. Maybe BNW or Book of souls for me.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Art on January 19, 2017, 04:23:27 AM
Brave New World. A perfect comeback album.

But A Matter of Life and Death is a close second

Exactly this.

But i like all reunion albums. I would rate them like this:

1- BNW
2 - AMOLAD
3 - BOS
4 - DOD
5 - FF
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Zantera on January 19, 2017, 04:50:01 AM
No question for me, AMOLAD. Brave New World would be a good second, then probably DoD followed by BoS and then FF at last place.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: MirrorMask on January 19, 2017, 05:12:05 AM
The way I see the albums...

BNW - Perfect comeback album, all classic-sounding stuff, a reminder of what Maiden used to be. They learn to walk again.
DOD - Once they've learned to walk, they learn to fly! A lot more of diversity, unusual styles, long epics with no chorus repetitions at all, an acoustic song, and some forgivable lesser tracks.
AMOLAD - They go all the way on the prog side, a strong album of course but while being almost a semi-concept on the lyrical side, the mood is consistent so if you don't like it 100%, the album could drag for you.
TFF - A lighter approach, all good songs again but the formula starts to wear thin. Once again a rocking opener, the ballad, four (five!)  epics in a row etc... good, experimental but not groundbreaking.
TBOS - A new approach, the trademarks are there but they're more experimental, unleashed, and inspired. The most grandiose title track since Seventh Son, and the absolute unique masterpiece of Empire of the Clouds. Long and yet enticing.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Grappler on January 19, 2017, 06:10:07 AM
Brave New World - those songs have turned out to be total classics, and the album was a complete monster when it was released.  I still absolutely love that record today, 17 years later.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: LudwigVan on January 19, 2017, 07:48:20 AM
1- TFF
2- BNW
3- AMOLAD
4- DOD
5- BOS

I need to give Book of Souls more listens.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: wolfking on January 19, 2017, 02:32:01 PM
I like the appreciation here of DOD, and I personally I love it like the rest, but the production just really hurts it.  It's awful.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Polarbear on January 19, 2017, 03:05:29 PM
BNW was the quintessential comeback album, and happens to be a top.5 IM album for me so that gets my vote.

All the others are good albums, as well!
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: bundy on January 20, 2017, 12:25:54 AM
Brave New World. A perfect comeback album.

But A Matter of Life and Death is a close second

This
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Architeuthis on January 20, 2017, 02:38:50 AM
I like the appreciation here of DOD, and I personally I love it like the rest, but the production just really hurts it.  It's awful.
I can't see anything wrong with the production of DOD, to me it sounds as good as any Maiden album. Besides DOD, the later albums sound just a tiny bit muffled.  Still great though!
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: wolfking on January 20, 2017, 04:38:19 AM
I like the appreciation here of DOD, and I personally I love it like the rest, but the production just really hurts it.  It's awful.
I can't see anything wrong with the production of DOD, to me it sounds as good as any Maiden album. Besides DOD, the later albums sound just a tiny bit muffled.  Still great though!

To me, DOD is way more muddy and muffled than the other, but the production on TFF isn't far off.  That's no good either.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: sneakyblueberry on January 20, 2017, 05:24:32 AM
Before BoS I would've said BNW, but I feel like they stepped their game up a shit ton with BoS, which is amazing for a band who could've easily rested on their laurels. 

TFF is still horrible to me :P I think that earns a place with No Prayer and FOTD as the most meh of the Maiden albums for me.  I know a lot of people love it, but I think it's tacky - besides a few great tracks. 
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Stadler on January 20, 2017, 08:14:57 AM
Some bands I get it, but I don't really get the "production" complaints about Maiden.  They've always been a "dry" sounding band (from Martin Birch), and Harris notoriously doesn't want his stuff "mastered" (all stuff is "mastered", it's just whether EQ is added, and Maiden says NO), so comparatively, I imagine it does sound a tad "muddier" than some of the stuff we're used to.

For me, Dance of Death is the highlight of what is an amazingly high level of work since the reunion.  While I still sort of think that Gers is expendable, I think across the board, whether you like it or not musically, no one can say that the reunion is a "cash grab".   Harris made meaningful compromises to Dickinson (and to a lesser degree, Smith) and vice versa, but they are still trying to forge new ground.  There is very little on the post-BNW albums that sounds like or sits next to things like Killers or Number....

I rarely like the singles best (there's always an album track that catches me) but Wildest Dreams is an amazing song, and, well, Journeyman is easily a top five all time Maiden song for me.  Just LOVE that song. 

Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: TAC on January 20, 2017, 03:13:22 PM
  whether you like it or not musically, no one can say that the reunion is a "cash grab".   Harris made meaningful compromises to Dickinson (and to a lesser degree, Smith) and vice versa, but they are still trying to forge new ground.  There is very little on the post-BNW albums that sounds like or sits next to things like Killers or Number....

The Reunion Era has been amazing. The writing and playing have improved in this second era.

My rankings:

1. TFF
2. AMOLAD
3. DOD
4. BNW
5. BOS

Tracks:
1. The Talisman
2. For The Greater Good Of God
3. Coming Home
4. Empire Of The Clouds
5. Dance Of Death
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: bosk1 on January 20, 2017, 03:42:38 PM
The Final Frontier easily.  Possibly their best album ever.  Definitely somewhere in the top 3 with Piece of Mind and Somewhere In Time.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: wolfking on January 20, 2017, 04:28:47 PM
1. The Talisman
2. For The Greater Good Of God

I love this top 2 ranking.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: bosk1 on January 20, 2017, 04:42:08 PM
Eh, it's an okay ranking.  7/10.  Absence of El Dorado knocks down to 6/10.  But not bad, all things considered.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: TAC on January 20, 2017, 04:52:27 PM
Eh, it's an okay ranking.  7/10.  Absence of El Dorado knocks down to 6/10.  But not bad, all things considered.

Get out of here!  ;D




Anyway, I've always thought that given the titles and subject matter, El Dorado and Speed Of Light should switch places. El Dorado would make way more sense on BOS and vise versa.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: bosk1 on January 20, 2017, 05:02:07 PM
???  Why?  I mean, I get that the titles of those songs may superficially seem to go with the title tracks of each of those records.  But that is a pretty tenuous connection.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: cramx3 on January 20, 2017, 05:36:15 PM
I always felt like SoL was a much better and refined version of El Dorado.

Honestly, as much as I love reunion era Maiden, I kind of feel like this:

TFF is still horrible to me :P I think that earns a place with No Prayer and FOTD as the most meh of the Maiden albums for me.  I know a lot of people love it, but I think it's tacky - besides a few great tracks. 

Minus the horrible line.  It's not that bad, but it's bottom quarter of IM to me.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Mosh on January 20, 2017, 08:27:15 PM
AMOLAD without much thought. It is the pinnacle of modern Maiden and my second favorite after Piece of Mind.

After that I think I have to go with TFF. It has some issues and it hasn't aged as well as some of the others, but I really like how adventurous some of the songs were. It also feels like the most varied Maiden reunion album. The other ones stick pretty closely to one sound, but TFF really jumps around. I also like how the epics are all together. It reminds me of a traditional double album, where one disc is a certain flavor and the second disc is another flavor. In vinyl terms it is a double album (as are all their reunion albums save for TBOS which is a triple) though it wouldn't be divided evenly with the shorter songs on one disc and the epics on the other, but I digress. Once the final crash cymbal hit of The Alchemist fades out and the wind sounds of Isle of Avalon fade in it's like the start of an entirely different album. It's awesome. I still remember hearing it for the first time, it's like we were getting two Iron Maiden albums on the same day.

The Book of Souls comes next. Also ambitious, being a double album and having some of their longest songs. Also surprisingly not bloated. I think the album would be better without Shadows of the Valley but other than that it's excellent. Over a year later and it still kicks ass.

Brave New World is an excellent return to form for them. Its low ranking speaks more to the quality of their reunion work than it does the quality of the album, as I consider it a modern Metal classic at this point. It has the energy of 80s Maiden but they're clearly progressing. They didn't throw the development during the Blaze years out the window, instead they developed on them with the new lineup. This is key to their longevity IMO.

Dance of Death is at the bottom, but it's still a good and necessary album. A lot of the experimentation on this album had varying levels of success, but it led to some of their best work on the following albums. Once again showing what makes Maiden so great: Instead of taking the safe route and doing BNW again, they decided to take some chances. They did an unplugged song, they tried a modern story-based epic, they even had Bruce rap in the bridge of a song. It's uneven and pretty ugly sounding, but it has its place in the band's history and is one of their most important albums in terms of development. It also has Paschendale which is among their best songs.

Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Architeuthis on January 21, 2017, 01:48:27 AM
DOD also has Rainmaker, a very catchy hard rock radio friendly song right up there with Wasted Years.
 Also, New Frontier is a rocker that never gets old. That's what I like about DoD so much, alot of melodic high energy songs and at least three great epics. Also some of the best guitar solos in Maidens catalog imho..
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Lowdz on January 21, 2017, 02:25:02 AM
Reunion era has been hit and miss. BNW was good. AMOLAD was excellent but BoS is their best for me. Best Maiden since SSoaSS, maybe even better than that one, maybe best since Powerslave. Some chances taken and Bruce in better voice than the last few years.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Architeuthis on January 21, 2017, 03:35:24 AM
I haven't listened to BOS enough for it to really click. Even though I dig it, I have to give it a few more spins to appreciate it more. I've had the CD for over a year but it got interrupted when Dream Theater released TA.. Lol
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Tomislav95 on January 21, 2017, 03:42:32 AM
My rankings:
1. BNW
2. AMOLAD

3. BOS

4. TFF
5. DOD
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Mladen on January 21, 2017, 04:13:10 AM
1. AMOLAD
2. DOD
3. TBOS
4. TFF
5. BNW

But guess what? All of them are excellent.  :metal
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Nick on January 23, 2017, 08:41:36 AM
Let me just say, Iron Maiden have had an incredible run in this era. Frankly I think doing as well as they've done now is just as, if not more impressive than their classic period.

1. BNW
2. TBoS
3. AMoLaD
4. DoD/TFF
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 24, 2017, 12:38:09 AM
Let me just say, Iron Maiden have had an incredible run in this era. Frankly I think doing as well as they've done now is just as, if not more impressive than their classic period.

I was thinking something similar when thinking about my ranking.

In the classic era they were young, had ambition, energy and were on fire, no small feat and really impressive.

But to come out of a slump after having a career for some 25 years and coming back this strong, and keeping the quality bar high and consistent while exploring new grounds for now another 17 years, that's just unbelievable.

For individual records my favorites come from the classic era (Piece Of Mind, Powerslave) but regarding the different eras, the reunion era beats the classic era, if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: TAC on January 24, 2017, 01:59:34 PM
Here's a discussion between the two eras.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=44551.0
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Kwyjibo on January 24, 2017, 10:52:52 PM
Good that I was writing the opposite there from what I wrote here  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: WildRanger on February 12, 2018, 05:11:26 PM
Brave New World, hands down!
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: The Walrus on February 12, 2018, 05:22:58 PM
Book of Souls > Brave New World > A Matter of Life and Death > Final Frontier > Dance of Death

Book of Souls is just spectacular... I love it. 2 CDs of pure Iron Maiden goodness, no real clunkers, and an 18 minute epic. I'm very very happy with that album. BNW has some of my favorite Maiden songs but also some I don't care about. AMOLAD is iffy, far too repetitive sometimes ("Out of the darkness, brighter than a thousand suns"), but still good. Final Frontier bored me and Dance of Death I just do not like.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: bosk1 on February 12, 2018, 05:30:24 PM
I was initially a bit let down by The Book of Souls.  But a year later, I've warmed up to it quite a bit.  I still stand by this:
The Final Frontier easily.  Possibly their best album ever.  Definitely somewhere in the top 3 with Piece of Mind and Somewhere In Time.

But I would probably put The Book of Souls right behind it.  Probably:
1.  The Final Frontier:  see above.
2.  The Book of Souls:  Quite a bit to like here.  It has climbed quite a bit.  It doesn't contend for the top spot, but that's just because I like The Final Frontier so much!
3.  The Dance of Death:  The title track, Paschendale, and a few others push this just ahead of AMOLAD. 
4.  A Matter of Life and Death:  Not far behind #3. 
5.  Brave New World:  My least favorite of the reunion era.  Not a bad album.  But nothing that compels me to listen.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: The Walrus on February 12, 2018, 05:42:44 PM
Interesting that you rank Final Frontier so highly, bosk. For me it is close to the bottom Maiden albums (those of course being the Blaze albums as well as Dance of Death for me). Always interesting reading Maiden fans' rankings of albums. Seems like there's always wildly different opinions, even among the typically high-rated albums of the 80s.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: TAC on February 12, 2018, 05:49:35 PM
I rank it #1 as well. Quality wise it's on par with AMOLAD, which to me, is the landmark album of the Reunion Era, but I just find TFF easier on the ears.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: bosk1 on February 12, 2018, 05:51:34 PM
Kattoelox, I know you weren't here yet when we were doing the Maiden top 50 threads, etc., but someone got me to listen to En Vivo!, and that sold me on The Final Frontier.  I wasn't a Maiden fan before that, although the '80s were my teen years.  That album really just clicked for me and opened them up to me.  I'm still somewhat selective in that I don't really care for the pre-Bruce years, the run from Seventh Son through Bruce's departure, or the Blaze era.  But I love Beast through Somewhere In Time and the reunion albums.  TFF just hits me just right.  That's about all I can say.

EDIT: I guess it was actually a "top 25" thread.  Mine starts farther down the page from this one, but I feel like I HAVE TO link to this post:  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=36365.msg1583486#msg1583486  :biggrin:  The thread was fun, but it died after awhile.  You should feel free to have a go at it.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: The Walrus on February 12, 2018, 05:55:12 PM
Hey, all that matters is that you guys like it :) I personally rank the first two (with Di'Anno) pretty darn high, but I grew up listening to those ones, they have a special place in my heart. Love me some Prodigal Son and Charlotte the Harlot.

EDIT: Oh cool! I'll have a stab at it, but it'll be a nailbiter. Might even have to ruminate over the list for a couple days, very tough choices to make!
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: King Postwhore on February 12, 2018, 05:56:24 PM
AMOLAD for me.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: SleeperAwake on February 21, 2018, 05:37:55 PM
My ranking would be:

1. Brave New World
2. A Matter of Life and Death
3. The Book of Souls
4. The Final Frontier
5. Dance of Death
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: DT2003 on February 21, 2018, 06:18:31 PM
I love all of these albums, except I never got into Final Frontier too much. My favorite is definitely Dance of Death though, with AMoLaD very close behind. It says a lot when a band has been around as long as these guys and still consistently put out great music.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: WildRanger on October 30, 2019, 09:37:43 AM
Don't you think Genick Gers is a redundant member of Iron Maiden?
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: cramx3 on October 30, 2019, 09:40:25 AM
Been digging up your old debates eh?

to answer the question, no.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: The Walrus on October 30, 2019, 09:41:40 AM
Been digging up your old debates eh?

to answer the question, no.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: ozzy554 on October 30, 2019, 09:45:48 AM
1. AMOLAD
2. BOS
3. BNW
4. TFF
5. DOD

As far as Janick goes he has writing credits on a lot of my favorite songs from this era so for me he certainly isn't redundant at all.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: ProfessorPeart on October 30, 2019, 09:45:57 AM
Brave New World - those songs have turned out to be total classics, and the album was a complete monster when it was released.  I still absolutely love that record today, 17 years later.

Spot on.

I like the appreciation here of DOD, and I personally I love it like the rest, but the production just really hurts it.  It's awful.

Also, spot on. Caveman's ability to make one record sound amazing (BNW) and the next sound awful (DoD) has always baffled me. I do love it, but I get bothered by the mud.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: ProfessorPeart on October 30, 2019, 09:51:52 AM
Don't you think Genick Gers is a redundant member of Iron Maiden?

Yes, Genick is redundant.

But Janick, I used to think so. It had a lot to do with my love of Adrian and how sloppy Janick was with his solos. He has matured a lot and some of the best songs since the reunion he has been a main songwriter on. Also, when I saw them on the Final Frontier tour he impressed the crap out of me. I made a statement to my buddies that that was the most in control and tasteful I had ever seen him play. They all agreed and were equally surprised.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Stadler on October 30, 2019, 10:11:13 AM
My feelings on Janick basically change like the weather.   Bearing in mind I was, am, and always will be a Dave Murray guy, I thought he presided over the least interesting period of Maiden (if you have two what I consider great albums - Somewhere In Time and SSOASS - and you replace one component and get two what I consider lackluster albums - NPFTD and FOTD - it's logical to draw conclusions).   I was over-joyed when the band got back to together and I thought "if that's what it takes to make it work, I'd rather have that than nothing".

But I've seen the reunion Maiden several times, and with the exception of the Book Of Souls tour - during which he really impressed me - my unfair stereotype of the show is "Dave Murray stage right whipping off fucking blistering solo after blistering solo, Adrian stage center holding down the rhythm, and Janick stage left practicing some odd form of auto-erotic asphyxiation or auditioning for Cinderella, I'm not sure which."   

He's got a couple good tunes from a songwriting perspective, but I wouldn't at all say that "my favorite of the reunion songs were penned by him".   

So for me, no, not "redundant", but only essential in the sense that if he's the cog that keeps this machine flying as high as it has been lately, I wouldn't in a million years touch a thing.  (And I'm not a hater; the live show I have from the Tattooed Millionaire tour - from Bruce's video anthology - is absolutely KILLER, and Janick nails Black Night about as well as one not dressed in black ever can.)
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: cramx3 on October 30, 2019, 10:18:38 AM
My feelings on Janick basically change like the weather.   Bearing in mind I was, am, and always will be a Dave Murray guy, I thought he presided over the least interesting period of Maiden (if you have two what I consider great albums - Somewhere In Time and SSOASS - and you replace one component and get two what I consider lackluster albums - NPFTD and FOTD - it's logical to draw conclusions).   I was over-joyed when the band got back to together and I thought "if that's what it takes to make it work, I'd rather have that than nothing".

I took that the opposite way, not on who joined but who left as to why those two albums went downhill after SSOASS and stayed low until he returned. 

Also, that same person appeared on the two best Bruce Dickinson solo albums, that kind of also sealed the deal for my opinion on this person.

Also, never understood why his display while playing was such a turn off, other than his sloppy Adrian solos although I'm sure it's more of "his style" vs. just calling it sloppy but it does kind of come off that way whne he doesn't play it exactly but that's not due to him being wild on stage.  Personally, I love it, I want my bands to be going wild on stage assuming the guitar doesn't fly into the crowd  :lol
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: MirrorMask on October 30, 2019, 10:19:53 AM
Been digging up your old debates eh?

to answer the question, no.

Seconded and thirded.

Also, Steve Harris might have had a bit of a midlife crisis in the '90s, but he's no moron. If he wants to stick with Janick he knows what he brings to the table, not only musically but also personally, in the internal dynamics of the band. He's there since 1990 without having ever left, which is something not even Bruce Dickinson or Dave Murray albeit for a very short time) can say - there has to be a good reason for that, that maybe we don't see but the reason is there.

A band can survive with two guitars instead of three, but Janick Gers IS integral for Iron Maiden and he can also write some pretty damn good songs.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Stadler on October 30, 2019, 10:29:37 AM
Been digging up your old debates eh?

to answer the question, no.

Seconded and thirded.

Also, Steve Harris might have had a bit of a midlife crisis in the '90s, but he's no moron. If he wants to stick with Janick he knows what he brings to the table, not only musically but also personally, in the internal dynamics of the band. He's there since 1990 without having ever left, which is something not even Bruce Dickinson or Dave Murray albeit for a very short time) can say - there has to be a good reason for that, that maybe we don't see but the reason is there.

A band can survive with two guitars instead of three, but Janick Gers IS integral for Iron Maiden and he can also write some pretty damn good songs.

Harris was VERY clear on that point: if the three-guitar attack didn't work, Adrian was GONE.  This wasn't about reuniting the classic era in that sense, it was about taking the band to the next level, and Steve Harris very clearly thought then and I think still thinks now that Janick Gers is an integral part of that.  I can't and won't argue with Steve Harris.   (Some of you know from the Portnoy conversations that for me it's not just about the music; I think certain bands have an off-stage dynamic that makes them great, or, conversely, keeps them from being great, almost like a sports team.  If "Janick Gers" is the way we get the last 19 years of Maiden (and perhaps a few more) then I'm "Team Janick" all the way. 
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Stadler on October 30, 2019, 10:36:24 AM
My feelings on Janick basically change like the weather.   Bearing in mind I was, am, and always will be a Dave Murray guy, I thought he presided over the least interesting period of Maiden (if you have two what I consider great albums - Somewhere In Time and SSOASS - and you replace one component and get two what I consider lackluster albums - NPFTD and FOTD - it's logical to draw conclusions).   I was over-joyed when the band got back to together and I thought "if that's what it takes to make it work, I'd rather have that than nothing".

I took that the opposite way, not on who joined but who left as to why those two albums went downhill after SSOASS and stayed low until he returned. 

Also, that same person appeared on the two best Bruce Dickinson solo albums, that kind of also sealed the deal for my opinion on this person.

Also, never understood why his display while playing was such a turn off, other than his sloppy Adrian solos although I'm sure it's more of "his style" vs. just calling it sloppy but it does kind of come off that way whne he doesn't play it exactly but that's not due to him being wild on stage.  Personally, I love it, I want my bands to be going wild on stage assuming the guitar doesn't fly into the crowd  :lol

I totally understand why one might like it and I have no beef with that.   For me, personally, it's less about the musicians going crazy than the whole package.   Maiden to me is more EPIC than, say, an Ozzy show where Zakk is running around hair flying and what not.   I kinda dig the juxtaposition of 7/8 scale bombers hanging from the rafters, flames so hot you can feel the heat from the third row (which is true; I felt the heat from the jets during NOTB on this last tour), Bruce running around like his life depended on it with props and costumes and whatnot, and Dave Murray, calm as can be in this maelstrom, just standing there unleashing this solo that tears your head off.   It's just what I take away from it; I don't mean to say I'm right or that anyone else shouldn't feel differently.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: cramx3 on October 30, 2019, 10:41:02 AM
We really know little about their off stage dynamics.  Even Flight 666 which was the first "inside" look at IM, we really didn't get anything juicy or anything that showed "wow, these guys have issues or these guys have a good bond", Bruce didn't talk about any of it in his book.  There has to be some sort of dynamic that makes this work though, maybe it is Jannick.  Sometimes you need a person as a buffer.  Who knows.  But the band clearly sees him as being useful.

Also, I think not airing their laundry is overall a good thing, we have no need or right to know about how the band works internally.  But it is interesting to think about because as humans, you know shit isn't always good and happy. 
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Lupton on October 30, 2019, 02:15:18 PM
Let’s see, post 2000 Maiden takes on average about 8 minutes to accomplish what they used to do in 4 minutes.  After becoming familiar with the tunes, I find myself skipping alot on those albums. These are the usually the songs I listen to, that is to say I don’t skip:

Brave New World
The Wicker Man, Ghost of the Navigator, Brave New World, The Fallen Angel, Out of the Silent Planet

Dance of Death
Wildest Dreams, Rainmaker, Montségur, Dance of Death, New Frontier, Paschendale, Age of Innocence

A Matter of Life and Death
The Pilgrim, The Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg, For the Greater Good of God, Lord of Light

The Final Frontier
El Dorado, The Alchemist, Isle of Avalon, The Talisman, The Man Who Would Be King

Book of Souls
If Eternity Should Fail, Speed Of Light, The Red And The Black, The Book Of Souls, Death Or Glory, Empire Of The Clouds


So it looks like Dance of Death wins with Book of Souls coming in 2nd. It appears I find most of AMOLAD somewhat boring.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: The Walrus on October 30, 2019, 02:28:07 PM
^^ I almost published a post earlier with my favorite songs from every Maiden album until I realized that the true list of songs that I always go back to is actually pretty short from the reunion era...

Brave New World
The Wicker Man, Ghost of the Navigator, Blood Brothers

Dance of Death
Paschendale

A Matter of Life and Death
Brighter Than A Thousand Suns, For the Greater Good of God

(nothing from Final Frontier)

The Book of Souls
If Eternity Should Fail, Speed of Light, The Great Unknown, Death or Glory, Shadows of the Valley, Empire of the Clouds
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: cramx3 on October 30, 2019, 03:23:09 PM
I think it's easier to list the songs I DONT enjoy so much from the reunion era:

Brave New World:

The Nomad

Dance of Death:

Gates of Tomorrow, New Frontier

A Matter of Life and Death:

Brighter Than A Thousand Suns

Final Frontier:

Satellite 15 (I do like TFF), Isle of Avalon

The Book of Souls:

The Man of Sorrows
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Cool Chris on October 31, 2019, 12:02:17 AM
my unfair stereotype of the show is "Dave Murray stage right whipping off fucking blistering solo after blistering solo, Adrian stage center holding down the rhythm, and Janick stage left practicing some odd form of auto-erotic asphyxiation or auditioning for Cinderella, I'm not sure which."

Made me chortle...
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: kaos2900 on October 31, 2019, 11:45:52 AM
AMOLAD gets the slight edge over Brave New World.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: The Curious Orange on November 01, 2019, 05:55:04 AM
For a band this late into their career, all 5 of those albums are stunning.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Mister Gold on November 20, 2019, 04:40:30 AM
AMOLAD gets the slight edge over Brave New World.

Yeah, I'd say the songwriting on AMOLAD is a hair stronger than BNW. However I think Brave New World is still the best sounding album Maiden ever did. Sadly Steve's obsession with recreating the 'live sound' on a studio album has resulted in the subsequent reunion era albums sounding a bit too muddied. AMOLAD seems like the only time that Steve's goal actually worked for me sonically.
Title: Re: Best post 2000 Iron Maiden
Post by: Stadler on November 20, 2019, 08:42:09 AM
I'm ripping my Maiden DVDs to harddrive (audio only) so I've been kind of immersed in the reunion era for the past couple weeks*, and man, is it solid.    Comparing the stuff from '90-'93, Bruce is SO much better today.  I don't know if it's him taking better care of his voice, being more invested in the band, or steroids, but man.   I'm SO impressed with the way the three guitarists intertwine - they rarely play the same thing at the same time - and the way the sound is almost like a metal orchestra at times.   

Dance of Death is still my favorite, but it's starting to be so only because of inertia or nostalgia.  AMOLAD is really growing on me over the last few months.  After seeing Blood Brothers close the "Book of Souls" tour, it's a high point for me as well.  So happy that one of my favorite bands is still delivering, and there's not even an ounce of "well, I wish I liked this, I SHOULD like this, but...".  I would not like Marillion if there weren't the first five albums in the catalogue.  I probably wouldn't be here if Dream Theater never released I&W through SFAM.  But I can honestly tell you, even though they're the first band I ever saw live (as an opening act!) and I've been a big fan since '82, if Maiden the band just "began" with Brave New World, I'd still be a huge fan right now.